| 00:00:26 | chuklz | sorry to interupt but i'd like to know if there's any way i can get involved |
| 00:01:13 | stripwax | chuklz - the more the merrier! are you technical, programming/hardware/debugging experience, etc? |
| 00:02:41 | chuklz | well im pretty young...15....but i just got a gigabeat s and im sick of the MCE firmware. I know some Python, and am interested in hardware, etc. Anything you think I would be able to do I'd be glad to get some experience |
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| 00:03:07 | dionoea | oh ... Python :( that's not really what's used in rockbox :) |
| 00:03:23 | dionoea | (but it's an awesome language) |
| 00:03:27 | chuklz | What is Rockbox written in? C? |
| 00:03:38 | dionoea | C and assembler |
| 00:04:06 | chuklz | wow, I'm new to the whole linux, IRC, etc, so don't mind me if I ask dumb questions. |
| 00:04:09 | amiconn | petur: Your return code changes break the logical order of return codes from this function |
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| 00:05:02 | petur | amiconn: oops, I couln't quite figure out how they were laid out... |
| 00:05:20 | amiconn | The system is really simple |
| 00:05:34 | amiconn | First possible point of failure returns -1, second one -2 etc |
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| 00:05:57 | amiconn | If there's a downlevel return code involved, we use downlevel_return_code * 10 - n |
| 00:06:11 | amiconn | -1 and -2 already exist in the function |
| 00:06:13 | petur | ahhhhh |
| 00:06:30 | petur | that's why it started at an offset |
| 00:06:41 | amiconn | It didn't |
| 00:06:44 | * | petur slaps forehead and hopes it doesn't log in |
| 00:06:45 | amiconn | It started at -1 |
| 00:07:09 | * | amiconn would like to change the *10, btw |
| 00:07:15 | petur | I mean the downlevel return codes |
| 00:07:29 | petur | yes, I'd like that too |
| 00:07:51 | amiconn | It's nasty for 2 reasons: (1) it limits the number of possible error returns to 9. If a function has more, the return code gets ambiguous |
| 00:08:08 | dionoea | anyone have power consumption measurements (in mW) of rockbox playing a 160 kb/s mp3 ? |
| 00:08:12 | amiconn | (2) *10 is a non-trivial cpu instruction |
| 00:08:33 | dionoea | on pp5022 |
| 00:08:37 | bluebrother | so using * 0x10 instead? |
| 00:08:39 | amiconn | (on many targets) |
| 00:09:03 | amiconn | bluebrother: Maybe, but then the problem is how to display them |
| 00:09:16 | amiconn | %x and %lx are unsigned, and return codes are negative |
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| 00:09:40 | amiconn | error return codes of course |
| 00:11:32 | amiconn | And a return code combined by using *0x10 isn't easily recognisable when displayed using %d |
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| 00:12:06 | stripwax | amiconn - 0x80000000 + 0x10 * downstream code + error code |
| 00:12:15 | bluebrother | well, how about extending %x to support signed? |
| 00:12:22 | stripwax | or even just 0x1000 * downstream code |
| 00:12:37 | * | stripwax meant 0x10000 but whatever |
| 00:12:45 | bluebrother | otoh, -1 would yield 0xffffffff. Wouldn't that make it clear somehow? |
| 00:12:46 | amiconn | There can be more than one downstream error code |
| 00:13:07 | stripwax | amiconn - yep, I'm suggesting multiply by 65536 rather than 10 |
| 00:13:20 | stripwax | and top bit set to make it negative |
| 00:13:27 | amiconn | yep, and that's what my remark was related to |
| 00:13:57 | amiconn | If you multiply by 0x10000 and have 2 downlevel codes, you'll get an overflow |
| 00:14:31 | stripwax | amiconn - oh −− I see what you mean. No, I meant 0x10000 * (downstream error codes * 0x10). |
| 00:14:40 | stripwax | How many downlevel codes can be there at the same time |
| 00:15:32 | amiconn | It just depends on the nesting count. Theoretically - as many as the stack allows |
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| 00:16:02 | amiconn | But in practice I didn't see more than 3 digits |
| 00:16:29 | stripwax | oh. well, if you can limit it to 6 then you're probably ok .. 0x8123456c |
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| 00:17:10 | amiconn | And you can't use 0x8000000 + x because each level would try that |
| 00:17:42 | amiconn | Hmm, you can |
| 00:17:57 | stripwax | as long as you set top bit every time |
| 00:18:01 | amiconn | Multiplying the downlevel code by 16 will shift out the msb |
| 00:18:22 | amiconn | But using | 0x80000000 makes it clearer |
| 00:18:29 | stripwax | yep |
| 00:19:00 | stripwax | but then last code in stack is 0-7 not 0-15 |
| 00:19:01 | amiconn | hmm |
| 00:19:21 | amiconn | That idea I don't like |
| 00:19:48 | amiconn | Too many special measures depending on whether the return value is int or long, and what architecture we're running on |
| 00:20:04 | amiconn | (64 bit sims ....) |
| 00:20:14 | stripwax | could just make it int_32 ? |
| 00:20:32 | stripwax | actually, which fn are we talking about (sorry..) |
| 00:20:34 | amiconn | Not for every function |
| 00:20:45 | amiconn | Any function that returns errors |
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| 00:20:56 | amiconn | Some have a return data type defined by posix |
| 00:21:19 | stripwax | doesn't posix define the error codes in those cases? |
| 00:21:27 | amiconn | (e.g. open() or read() |
| 00:21:30 | amiconn | nope |
| 00:22:10 | stripwax | oh, didn't know that. |
| 00:22:40 | pondlife | Maybe it would be best to only keep the "original" error code and not attempt to combine multiple levels? |
| 00:22:56 | stripwax | seems easiest |
| 00:23:03 | pondlife | Would that allow for diagnosis without losing too much info? |
| 00:23:28 | stripwax | maybe you could have a small global stack of error codes that get pushed as you come back up the call stack |
| 00:23:36 | stripwax | 8 words or so |
| 00:23:44 | amiconn | The current mechanism shows the call chain |
| 00:24:02 | stripwax | rather than trying to fit all the possible error codes and call chain into one (potentially) 31 bit value |
| 00:24:03 | amiconn | But in fact we could use rc * 0x10 - new_rc |
| 00:24:31 | stripwax | so long as a fn can fail for only one of 16 reasons |
| 00:24:41 | pondlife | And display it negated in hex, i.e. as a positive value? |
| 00:24:46 | amiconn | ...and then display it with snprintf(buf, sizeof bu, "-%x", -rc) |
| 00:25:44 | amiconn | And the good thing with *0x10 is that it equals <<4, a single instruction on most targets |
| 00:25:48 | amiconn | (2 on SH1) |
| 00:26:11 | pondlife | Will gcc spot that optimisation? |
| 00:26:26 | amiconn | It should |
| 00:27:06 | amiconn | *10 is also just 2 insns on arm, but more on the other archs |
| 00:27:06 | stripwax | who/what displays the error code? a short stack could be used, and then all error codes on the stack displayed? or are we talking about time sensitive (codec?) errors? |
| 00:27:26 | stripwax | 1 on coldfire surely |
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| 00:27:46 | amiconn | Hmm, true |
| 00:27:58 | amiconn | And the cycle count doesn't really matter for an eror return |
| 00:28:06 | dionoea | amiconn: how do you use arm-elf-objdump to disassemble the apple os ? (gives me File format not recognized here ... but that must be because i don't know how that works) |
| 00:28:14 | amiconn | The error code is e.g. displayed in the panic screen |
| 00:28:27 | amiconn | stripwax: Ah, no, it's also at least 2 |
| 00:28:30 | pondlife | Binary size? |
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| 00:28:43 | amiconn | The multiply instruction can't use an immediate constant |
| 00:28:52 | stripwax | surely panic can display a stack of errors |
| 00:29:08 | obo | amiconn: undefined instructions @20204004 with that patch |
| 00:29:31 | dionoea | ah, found it on google. arm-elf-objdump -b binary -marm -D apple_os.bin |
| 00:30:41 | amiconn | stripwax: My idea was about saving binary size, not increasing it |
| 00:31:26 | stripwax | stacking is only going to be a couple instructions too though |
| 00:31:36 | stripwax | (although not displaying the errors.. true..) |
| 00:31:43 | amiconn | (and also allowing a few more causes for error returns to be distinguished) |
| 00:32:24 | amiconn | 9->15 isn't bad. There aren't that many monster functions with lots of different error returns |
| 00:32:57 | amiconn | obo: Does that happen after running for a while, or quite early? |
| 00:33:33 | stripwax | rc<<4-c sounds good enough then |
| 00:33:42 | obo | 40ish minutes this time |
| 00:34:28 | amiconn | Really odd |
| 00:34:51 | pixelma | on a next buffer fill maybe? |
| 00:34:52 | amiconn | The G5.5/80 is already playing for ~80 minutes |
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| 00:35:28 | stripwax | Is there a way to profile rockbox to see how much (real) time is spent by each thread? (and would that even be useful?) |
| 00:35:34 | amiconn | And I used all sorts of plugins in the beginning |
| 00:35:44 | obo | pixelma: it's crashed both before and after buffer refills |
| 00:35:58 | stripwax | afaict the existing on-device profiling is per thread only rather than 'global' |
| 00:36:56 | stripwax | amiconn - quite right (2 instruction mult) - sorry about that |
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| 00:44:43 | DerPapst | is the PP chip in 5G iPods the same as in 5.5G (PP5022C) |
| 00:44:46 | DerPapst | ? |
| 00:47:27 | saratoga | DerPapst: yes I believe so |
| 00:49:46 | DerPapst | then it's even more strange that the 5G crashes ways more often than the 5.5G one |
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| 00:55:00 | XavierGr | lear: yes, right now the filetype array is full (at least on H100) so if you use a build with test_codec you will get the error |
| 00:56:07 | amiconn | XavierGr: Already checked petur's latest commit? |
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| 01:02:45 | BHSPitLappy | anyone have DAP recommendations in the <$100 range? |
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| 01:04:38 | petur | ebay for an iHP120/140 ? |
| 01:05:07 | DerPapst | if you're lucky you might even get a Jiggerbeat F20 |
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| 01:05:36 | DerPapst | or some cool <insert_dap> chinese rip off |
| 01:06:28 | petur | w/o rockbox then... |
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| 01:06:53 | BHSPitLappy | yeah, it's not so much a requirement :/ |
| 01:06:57 | BHSPitLappy | as it isn't for me |
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| 01:11:56 | DerPapst | who need that bos anyways.... |
| 01:15:20 | scorche | zhiggabeat |
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| 01:15:24 | amiconn | obo: amiconn.dyndns.org/PP502x_75MHz.diff">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/PP502x_75MHz.diff <= back to 75MHz. Remove the other patch first |
| 01:16:31 | DerPapst | amiconn: do you really think that causes the problem? |
| 01:16:39 | amiconn | I want to rule it out |
| 01:17:35 | DerPapst | hmh... :) |
| 01:19:46 | XavierGr | amiconn: gah! I should read the commit log before typing... |
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| 01:27:10 | obo | thanks amiconn - I don't have time to test it now, but I've put the build on and will see how it goes in the morning |
| 01:29:27 | * | petur wonders if there are complaints about his last commits before going to bed |
| 01:30:03 | * | DerPapst prepares to start complaining... |
| 01:30:45 | DerPapst | no :) |
| 01:30:54 | * | petur prepares to go to bed faster |
| 01:31:10 | DerPapst | good night petur ;) |
| 01:31:25 | petur | yup |
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| 02:12:27 | piroko | hcs! |
| 02:12:40 | hcs | yo |
| 02:13:00 | piroko | I've been playing a lot of nsf files lately, and I think I've encountered a bug in the plugin |
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| 02:13:58 | piroko | I can't remember the exact error message, but I will tell you in the next thirty minutes when I get it |
| 02:14:31 | hcs | ok |
| 02:14:49 | hcs | if I drop out say it anyway, I'll check the log |
| 02:15:03 | piroko | Should I put anything special to search for in it? |
| 02:15:03 | * | amiconn has a suspicion regarding the instabiliy of 5g |
| 02:15:16 | amiconn | Will test tomorrow |
| 02:15:20 | piroko | Like... 2a03? |
| 02:15:35 | hcs | piroko: nsf would probably be fine |
| 02:15:42 | piroko | Alright |
| 02:16:03 | piroko | hcs: So I assume you haven't encountered problems with it? |
| 02:16:35 | hcs | nothing serious |
| 02:17:10 | piroko | Huh. The "bug" I found completely locks up my player :-O |
| 02:17:47 | hcs | hmm, well, if it turns up regularly I'll try to track it dow |
| 02:17:50 | hcs | *down |
| 02:18:00 | piroko | hcs: Alright. It happens quite often to me |
| 02:18:14 | hcs | what player do you have? |
| 02:18:21 | piroko | iPod 4g grey |
| 02:18:31 | piroko | I also get occasional pauses in sound output |
| 02:18:37 | piroko | Like it can't handle it or something |
| 02:18:41 | hcs | possibly |
| 02:18:56 | piroko | But that's no big deal |
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| 02:30:49 | bdgraue | hello, my wife tried to play .wma with rockbox, but the rockbox gives an error and freeze everytime, so i have to reset the rockbox |
| 02:31:16 | bdgraue | is there a way to get back to normal working rockbox without reset? |
| 02:34:39 | valis | anyone have experience with the iaudioX5? I'm curous about rockbox's stability on it. |
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| 03:20:26 | saratoga | anyone know about that annoying "differences in signedness" warning in GCC? |
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| 03:22:28 | the_conley | yea...you are comparing an unsigned int with an int |
| 03:22:46 | the_conley | or something like that...if you are talking about specifics in rockbox, dunno |
| 03:23:20 | saratoga | its some random gcc problem that cropped up |
| 03:23:28 | saratoga | i get thousands of those messages now when I build rockbox |
| 03:23:31 | saratoga | and they're all nonsense |
| 03:25:48 | the_conley | ah, dunno...I know I get more signedness warnings with different versions of gcc |
| 03:26:01 | the_conley | I think 4+ is gives tons of warnings over it |
| 03:26:08 | saratoga | thats the odd thing, i didn't update gcc |
| 03:26:15 | the_conley | hmm...weird |
| 03:26:20 | saratoga | still using the stock 4.0.3 build i've had for months |
| 03:27:33 | the_conley | hm...don't know what to tell you...I've never actually built rockbox |
| 03:27:48 | the_conley | I'm waiting for some more gigabeat s support first |
| 03:28:21 | saratoga | you may be in for a bit of a wait |
| 03:30:40 | the_conley | yea, I've been in that wait for a while |
| 03:30:56 | the_conley | the S wiki gets updated every now and then, so I guess they are doing something |
| 03:31:08 | saratoga | they have an IRC channel |
| 03:31:13 | saratoga | theres actually work being done |
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| 03:31:50 | the_conley | yea, I know, I'm hanging out there too |
| 03:32:02 | saratoga | ah cool |
| 03:32:15 | saratoga | we need another developer to help ptw419 out |
| 03:32:18 | the_conley | I just saw your question and answered it...I actually thought I was on the fedora forum |
| 03:32:43 | the_conley | yea...I'm a programmer...but I'm not sure I have the time to really commit to this |
| 03:32:51 | saratoga | which question? |
| 03:33:03 | the_conley | I considered it a while ago, when I won the gigabeat |
| 03:33:07 | saratoga | make time :) |
| 03:33:10 | the_conley | o, signedness |
| 03:33:22 | saratoga | thats how i helped make the wma codec |
| 03:33:29 | saratoga | oh you saw a solution to that? |
| 03:33:37 | krazykit | saratoga, yeah, but aren't you getting paid by google too? |
| 03:33:53 | the_conley | I start getting paid soon...I'm so happy |
| 03:33:57 | saratoga | krazykit: yeah that helped too |
| 03:34:07 | the_conley | (I'm a student) |
| 03:34:20 | saratoga | though to be fair, I would have got paid the same if I'd gotten funded from my lab anyway |
| 03:34:25 | saratoga | so its not that big of an incentive |
| 03:34:33 | krazykit | i wish my job would hurry up and pay me. direct deposit may not deposit until the second pay period |
| 03:34:46 | saratoga | ok got the new wma decoder improvements working |
| 03:34:49 | saratoga | seems a lot faster |
| 03:35:05 | saratoga | getting 170% realtime on my sansa @ 192k :) |
| 03:35:13 | the_conley | do you use wma? |
| 03:35:20 | saratoga | nope |
| 03:35:39 | krazykit | what does the sansa have? a 100mhz ARM9? |
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| 03:36:07 | krazykit | i need to make an updated build, bah. |
| 03:36:40 | saratoga | same CPU as the ipods |
| 03:36:45 | saratoga | 75 MHz ARM7 |
| 03:36:55 | krazykit | ah. |
| 03:38:05 | saratoga | well 2x ARM7 but we don't use the second one much yet |
| 03:40:28 | Battousai | sansa has 2 arms? |
| 03:40:36 | saratoga | yeah all the PP systems do |
| 03:40:37 | scorche | 2 cores |
| 03:40:44 | saratoga | they really suck |
| 03:40:49 | Battousai | i assume thats one for playback and one for everything else? |
| 03:40:55 | saratoga | thats the idea |
| 03:41:03 | saratoga | we don't really use the second one much though |
| 03:45:08 | saratoga | kind of funny how slow the CPU in the ipods really was |
| 03:45:18 | saratoga | compared to what was used in everything else in that price range |
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| 03:50:39 | saratoga | ok wma improvements are committed |
| 03:50:45 | krazykit | aw damn |
| 03:50:52 | krazykit | i JUST updated 5 minutes ago |
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| 03:51:52 | saratoga | i said I'd gotten it a lot faster ;) |
| 03:51:59 | saratoga | should have guessed that meant a new build was incoming |
| 03:53:06 | krazykit | eh, i don't use wma anyway :P |
| 03:56:52 | krazykit | nice to know it's there, though |
| 03:57:21 | saratoga | oh then no sense upgrading |
| 03:57:31 | saratoga | we'll be adding a lot of new changes to the wma decoder soon anyway |
| 03:57:45 | krazykit | well, i was making a new build today anyway. |
| 03:57:49 | saratoga | hah, got the wma decoder faster then the aac decoder on my sansa |
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| 04:32:08 | piroko | hcs: I found an nsf file that rockbox skips really really badly on |
| 04:33:08 | piroko | Which is sad because it's a really really good one :) |
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| 04:40:46 | Segadude | You guys have to help me! My Ipod won't turn on!!:( |
| 04:41:46 | Segadude | hello anyone here? |
| 04:41:53 | piroko | I am here |
| 04:43:02 | Segadude | then help me please!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:43:19 | Segadude | My ipod won't turn on! |
| 04:43:34 | piroko | Have you plugged it in? |
| 04:43:44 | Segadude | yes |
| 04:43:53 | piroko | Held down menu and select for at least 8 seconds? |
| 04:44:06 | piroko | (With the hold switch off?) ;) |
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| 04:44:45 | Segadude | no |
| 04:44:54 | Segadude | i'l try that |
| 04:45:21 | saratoga | more wma improvements |
| 04:45:28 | Segadude | Thank you so much!!!!!! |
| 04:45:36 | piroko | Segadude: Lol. No problem |
| 04:45:37 | Segadude | that worked! |
| 04:45:57 | Segadude | see ya! |
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| 04:59:50 | piroko | saratoga: Hmm... wmav2 encoded with ffmpeg isn't working for me in rockbox. It still just sits there doing nothing. What encoder would you recommend I use? |
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| 05:00:34 | TiMiD[FD] | oggenc ? |
| 05:01:13 | piroko | Haha. For testing out wma ;) |
| 05:01:23 | piroko | I use ogg for my own collection |
| 05:01:43 | TiMiD[FD] | hmm ok |
| 05:01:55 | TiMiD[FD] | I was wondering why one would want to use wma actually |
| 05:02:19 | piroko | It supposedly has a better quality than mp3 from what I've read |
| 05:02:45 | piroko | And some people use Windows Media Player to import their cd's, and thus have collections of wma files |
| 05:03:13 | piroko | And it looks better for rockbox to have the support I'm sure :-D |
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| 05:13:38 | sarixe | excellent |
| 05:15:15 | piroko | superb |
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| 05:15:49 | sarixe | alright, i have a question regarding building rockbox from source. i wasn't able to find m68k-elf-gcc anywhere but from a package called "coldfire", and when i use that one, i get the following error: |
| 05:15:51 | sarixe | Assembler messages: |
| 05:15:51 | sarixe | Error: already selected `5206e' processor |
| 05:15:51 | sarixe | Error: unrecognized option -m5249 |
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| 05:15:51 | sarixe | make[1]: *** [/home/sarixe/Programs/rockbox/source/rockbox-20070705/build/firmware/ata_idle_notify.o] Error 1 |
| 05:15:52 | sarixe | make: *** [build] Error 2 |
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| 05:19:01 | sarixe | any help? |
| 05:20:18 | saratoga | piroko: thanks for the heads up |
| 05:20:26 | saratoga | i will need to test the ffmpeg encoder |
| 05:20:48 | saratoga | in the meantime, you should probably use the MS encoder |
| 05:20:58 | saratoga | its quite well behaved compared to the ffmpeg encoder |
| 05:21:03 | scorche | sarixe: use rockboxdev.sh |
| 05:21:16 | sarixe | that'll get me m68k-elf-gcc? |
| 05:21:23 | scorche | yes |
| 05:21:31 | sarixe | sweet, thanks |
| 05:21:50 | saratoga | piroko: what settings did you use to test the ffmpeg encoder anyway? |
| 05:24:35 | piroko | saratoga: This was the command: ffmpeg -acodec wmav2 -i blah.ogg ~/test.wma |
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| 05:25:12 | saratoga | piroko: ok so just normal settings |
| 05:25:17 | saratoga | will take a look tomorrow |
| 05:25:20 | piroko | And mplayer recognizes and plays it with this to say: Selected audio codec: [ffwmav2] afm: ffmpeg (DivX audio v2 (FFmpeg)) |
| 05:25:30 | piroko | Alright :) |
| 05:25:34 | saratoga | could be either the codec or linuxstb's parser |
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| 05:36:15 | piroko | hcs: I got the error again. "Undefined instruction at 00057C4C" |
| 05:38:02 | hcs | with a specific file? |
| 05:38:44 | piroko | I'm not sure. :( |
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| 05:50:37 | * | safetydan notes fsincos from the eq has made it in to the wma decoder |
| 05:50:46 | safetydan | Rockbox really needs its own little fixed point maths library. |
| 05:51:11 | safetydan | problem is it needs to be usable from the core, plugins, and codecs without leaving unused functions in the core |
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| 06:09:37 | TiMiD[FD] | work is so boring ... |
| 06:12:05 | BHSPitLappy | sucks too |
| 06:12:52 | TiMiD[FD] | -_- |
| 06:13:58 | TiMiD[FD] | maybe I'll continue developping rb during working times instead of faking work |
| 06:14:07 | TiMiD[FD] | that'd me more productive |
| 06:14:51 | TiMiD[FD] | let's see if my CVS account is still there |
| 06:16:38 | scorche | we dont use CVS anymore |
| 06:17:13 | TiMiD[FD] | yes I know |
| 06:17:15 | TiMiD[FD] | SVN |
| 06:17:30 | TiMiD[FD] | I was hoping that my CVS account was transfered to SVN |
| 06:17:36 | TiMiD[FD] | but that doesn't seem the case |
| 06:18:58 | TiMiD[FD] | what do you guys do when you're bored at work ? |
| 06:20:51 | krazykit | do homework, typically |
| 06:20:57 | TiMiD[FD] | counting the number of hair I have on one arm |
| 06:21:09 | TiMiD[FD] | that should give me work for at least one hour |
| 06:21:11 | krazykit | or i play stupid flash games on line |
| 06:21:16 | TiMiD[FD] | ah |
| 06:21:27 | scorche | TiMiD[FD]: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-01/0048.shtml |
| 06:21:32 | TiMiD[FD] | but here I cannot play games on the company's computer |
| 06:22:19 | scorche | TiMiD[FD]: and read further on in that thread for entertainment =) |
| 06:22:21 | TiMiD[FD] | scorche: oh I don't read the mailing list, it's too painful, a forum does a better job I think |
| 06:22:36 | TiMiD[FD] | yes in thoses circunstances |
| 06:22:50 | BHSPitLappy | so I guess the idea of rockbox on the Insignia has never been thrown too much around, eh |
| 06:22:50 | TiMiD[FD] | I hope that there is a good troll for my personal entertainement |
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| 06:24:25 | TiMiD[FD] | ah |
| 06:24:26 | TiMiD[FD] | nice |
| 06:24:35 | TiMiD[FD] | I've got all the devs passwords |
| 06:24:40 | TiMiD[FD] | in that page |
| 06:24:46 | TiMiD[FD] | :) |
| 06:26:04 | sarixe | hey, people i have another question (noobish this time): i downloaded the set of patches that most of the wps themes require. it has a file "series" with all the patches listed. how do i make patch use that file? |
| 06:26:56 | scorche | sarixe: are you asking what to do with patches? |
| 06:27:01 | sarixe | no |
| 06:27:02 | TiMiD[FD] | rm -rf / |
| 06:27:09 | TiMiD[FD] | if you like adventure ... |
| 06:27:12 | sarixe | there's a file named "series" that came with the set |
| 06:27:18 | scorche | what set? |
| 06:27:25 | sarixe | the one from webhop |
| 06:27:30 | scorche | webhop? |
| 06:27:41 | sarixe | um.. the patches that all the WPS themes require |
| 06:27:49 | sarixe | for iaudio x5 |
| 06:28:11 | scorche | not all themes require patches |
| 06:28:16 | scorche | and there are multiple patches... |
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| 06:28:27 | alienbiker99 | sarixe i dont think theres a way to use it, i wish there was, it would make it easier |
| 06:28:35 | sarixe | alright |
| 06:28:39 | sarixe | scorche : lemme link you |
| 06:28:46 | alienbiker99 | i think its just included to show you what order to patch it in |
| 06:29:19 | krazykit | certain patches depend on other patches |
| 06:29:25 | sarixe | o |
| 06:30:06 | krazykit | patch isn't smart enough to patch sequentially like that. i'm sure you could hack a script that fed patch the series file and the filenames to use for patching, but it'd be way more work than it's worth |
| 06:30:28 | sarixe | ah, true |
| 06:30:33 | sarixe | nevermind about the link then |
| 06:30:34 | sarixe | thanks |
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| 06:36:47 | TiMiD[FD] | what does "Rockbox = BOS" means ? |
| 06:42:12 | scorche | bag of shit....an inside joke of sorts =) |
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| 06:44:03 | TiMiD[FD] | hah but it has been improving a lot recently |
| 06:44:18 | TiMiD[FD] | the code bacame less messy than it was before |
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| 07:20:09 | sarixe | back again... i applied the patches in the order "series" told me to, and tried building, but it failed, anything i can do about it? |
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| 07:20:30 | sarixe | (also, i tried building the 20070705 source, and no luck there either) |
| 07:20:34 | scorche | the patches are likely out of sync |
| 07:20:47 | sarixe | out of sync with the current source tree? |
| 07:20:51 | TiMiD[FD] | did you get any error while patching ? |
| 07:21:01 | sarixe | i got a few FAILED lines |
| 07:21:05 | scorche | yes |
| 07:21:06 | TiMiD[FD] | ok ... |
| 07:21:29 | sarixe | hm |
| 07:21:33 | TiMiD[FD] | well you'll have to correct it by yourself then |
| 07:21:40 | sarixe | well, i don't know which source tree these guys were using |
| 07:21:46 | TiMiD[FD] | or grab a source snapshot from the day the patch was made |
| 07:21:59 | TiMiD[FD] | you could adapt the patch |
| 07:21:59 | sarixe | ok |
| 07:22:04 | TiMiD[FD] | it shouldn't be very hard |
| 07:22:08 | sarixe | nah, not really |
| 07:22:14 | sarixe | i'll see what's up |
| 07:25:50 | TiMiD[FD] | good luck |
| 07:27:50 | sarixe | wow, i was using the one from may... |
| 07:27:55 | sarixe | june one should work a bit better |
| 07:27:56 | sarixe | lol |
| 07:29:02 | amiconn | TiMiD[FD]: For an svn account contact Bagder, LinusN or Zagor when they're around. |
| 07:32:24 | TiMiD[FD] | amiconn: hmm yes |
| 07:32:31 | TiMiD[FD] | I sent a mail to daniel actually |
| 07:33:20 | TiMiD[FD] | I reckon there should'nt be any problem |
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| 08:02:25 | qwm | :D |
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| 08:29:25 | valis | anyone have rockbox working on an iaudioX5? |
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| 09:02:09 | amiconn | Wow, wma decoding speed on ipod is now roughly on par with mp3 decoding speed (admittedly I didn't test identical bitrates) |
| 09:02:40 | amiconn | On coldfire it's still quite a way to go though :( |
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| 09:10:35 | TiMiD[FD] | I really wonder if a lot of people are gonna use that |
| 09:10:38 | TiMiD[FD] | I mean wma |
| 09:11:15 | TiMiD[FD] | the guys who install rockbox on their DAP are generall advanced users I guess |
| 09:12:12 | TiMiD[FD] | the others are just scared to install that on their player |
| 09:12:47 | GodEater | TiMiD[FD]: it's one of the big features requests we've had over the past year or two |
| 09:14:56 | TiMiD[FD] | hmm really ? |
| 09:15:04 | TiMiD[FD] | I'm a little bit surprised |
| 09:15:43 | TiMiD[FD] | I thought the audience of rockbox was different |
| 09:15:50 | amiconn | I'm not surprised |
| 09:15:58 | TiMiD[FD] | can't hurt to have a new codec anyway |
| 09:16:19 | amiconn | Even experienced user may come across wma tracks, and experienced user also know that lossy->lossy transcoding id bad... |
| 09:16:28 | amiconn | s/id/is/ |
| 09:17:02 | TiMiD[FD] | of course |
| 09:17:27 | amiconn | And imho wma isn't that bad a codec, to me it sounds better than aac at similar bitrates (of course that's not a scientific comparison) |
| 09:17:35 | TiMiD[FD] | you mean downloaded bu p2p right ? |
| 09:17:59 | TiMiD[FD] | (in that case the experienced user redownload the file in mp3) |
| 09:18:13 | TiMiD[FD] | hmm |
| 09:18:14 | TiMiD[FD] | oops |
| 09:18:24 | TiMiD[FD] | maybe a taboo |
| 09:18:27 | TiMiD[FD] | anyway |
| 09:18:50 | Galois | does wma still do the thing where it makes the music louder than the original so that it scores better in subjective ratings tests? |
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| 09:19:30 | aliask | Hah! That's so dodgy. |
| 09:21:40 | amiconn | Galois: I never heard of that |
| 09:22:08 | amiconn | And the rockbox wma decoder seems to do the opposite (could also be my test track though) |
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| 09:29:24 | crop | Hello. I've seen a strange thing on my H120. After switching the dap on, I activated the FM, listened to it for about 5 mins and then started the playback (via "Resume playback"). The right song was started, it was the 7-th song in the playlist. But pressing LEFT didn't bring me to the 6-th song. |
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| 09:30:48 | crop | I had to go to the file browser and choose the song there. |
| 09:31:30 | crop | This is not the latest build though, it's 3 or 4 days old. |
| 09:31:39 | * | petur tries |
| 09:32:19 | crop | And I don't know whether activating FM before playback is relevant. I just told what I did. Every little detail may be important. |
| 09:32:22 | petur | works here |
| 09:33:19 | crop | I once read the emacs guide of how to report bugs. It read "just tell what you've seen, don't make any assumptions" |
| 09:33:57 | crop | petur: I'll try to investigate more (can't do it atm) and report back |
| 09:34:13 | Zagor | crop: that is a good general rule |
| 09:34:22 | petur | I did: go to fm (it plays radio) -> press stop -> select 'resume playback' from main menu (playback starts) -> press left twice (previous song starts) |
| 09:34:50 | petur | maybe I must let it play radio longer? |
| 09:35:51 | crop | petur: I doubt it but if you have time you can try of course. And I'll try it with my installed buld and then with the latest. |
| 09:36:21 | crop | I've an official build, just not the latest one. |
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| 09:39:24 | petur | crop: can't make it fail here (h380) |
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| 09:47:08 | TiMiD[FD] | crop: I get this strange behaviour maybe 3 or 4 times a day (I use my h140 around 1hour daily) |
| 09:47:17 | TiMiD[FD] | without using the radio |
| 09:47:22 | TiMiD[FD] | just in playback |
| 09:47:26 | TiMiD[FD] | so .... |
| 09:48:10 | crop | TiMiD[FD]: ...so one have to be lucky to reproduce that! :-) |
| 09:48:35 | crop | petur: and you apparently got no luck :-P ;-) |
| 09:48:57 | * | petur knows |
| 09:49:36 | crop | petur: but it's friday so the life goes on :-) |
| 09:50:08 | petur | yes... friday... company drink :-) |
| 09:50:36 | crop | he-he, as they say: hey, we've weekend soon, the day after tomorrow is already wednesday :-) |
| 09:51:11 | TiMiD[FD] | ??? |
| 09:51:21 | * | pondlife wishes it was Wednesday again |
| 09:51:34 | pondlife | Too much "by the end of the week" work... |
| 09:51:53 | TiMiD[FD] | I would like that |
| 09:52:01 | TiMiD[FD] | to have "too much work" |
| 09:52:47 | crop | This shouldb e said on monday of course |
| 09:52:56 | * | pondlife has had too much work since about 1992 |
| 09:53:16 | pondlife | It wears. |
| 09:53:23 | TiMiD[FD] | I'm paid to be idle ^^ |
| 09:53:35 | pondlife | Idle sounds good to me. |
| 09:53:41 | pondlife | Idle = hacking time# |
| 09:54:46 | TiMiD[FD] | not when you work in a japanese company |
| 09:55:05 | TiMiD[FD] | idle time = sleeping awake in my case |
| 09:55:16 | petur | eow |
| 09:55:35 | TiMiD[FD] | oh I've got a great idea |
| 09:55:40 | TiMiD[FD] | I'll cut my nails |
| 09:55:55 | TiMiD[FD] | that will make me some occupation for 3 or 4 minutes |
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| 09:59:57 | petur | what's your job then? |
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| 10:02:39 | Rob222241 | Do you know about the "wrong filename displayed"-bug in the WPS at at least the H300? |
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| 10:03:11 | TiMiD[FD] | petur: I'm an office employee |
| 10:03:17 | TiMiD[FD] | my job is to sit at my desk |
| 10:03:26 | petur | lol |
| 10:03:27 | TiMiD[FD] | and to power on my computer :) |
| 10:04:13 | pondlife | TiMiD[FD]: Have you read "The Blue-Eyed Salaryman"? I thought those days were past.... :) |
| 10:04:14 | petur | are you hired so that when the shareholders demand jobcuts, they know who to kick out? |
| 10:04:27 | TiMiD[FD] | lol |
| 10:04:28 | TiMiD[FD] | no |
| 10:04:59 | TiMiD[FD] | I'll rather quit by myself |
| 10:05:03 | Rob2222 | hmm.. |
| 10:05:13 | Rob2222 | anybody with h300 here? |
| 10:05:22 | pondlife | Yes |
| 10:05:39 | TiMiD[FD] | with a software engineer diploma I would like to be a little more sollicited |
| 10:05:49 | Rob2222 | have you the sometimes wrong filename displayed bug, too? |
| 10:06:07 | pondlife | Yes, after 32 tracks |
| 10:06:17 | pondlife | Would that be your case? |
| 10:06:17 | Rob2222 | sometimes it shows title 4 but plays title 3 ... in that situation it shows 1 track ahead always |
| 10:06:51 | pondlife | Ah, sounds different to the one I see - when playing a long playlist, it plays track n but displays track n-32. |
| 10:06:53 | Rob2222 | hmm, can be, dont know. have to check |
| 10:07:06 | Rob2222 | hmm no |
| 10:07:12 | Rob2222 | it shows always track+1 |
| 10:07:20 | Rob2222 | but only the "filename" |
| 10:07:28 | Rob2222 | id3 tag fields and timeline are ok |
| 10:07:39 | Rob2222 | anybit strange |
| 10:07:48 | pondlife | Hmm, not seen that... |
| 10:08:08 | Rob2222 | i have that often atm |
| 10:08:22 | pondlife | A recent development? |
| 10:08:35 | pondlife | Maybe try some older daily builds and work out which day it got borked? |
| 10:08:37 | Rob2222 | i didnt upgraded for ca 4 month |
| 10:08:51 | Rob2222 | but the problem occured after update 1-2 weeks ago |
| 10:09:04 | Rob2222 | i tried lastes build, too (yesterday i think) |
| 10:09:08 | Rob2222 | same problem |
| 10:09:28 | Rob2222 | well ok, i try to analyze it more and come back then |
| 10:09:31 | pondlife | There are daily builds going back 1 month or so, maybe try the oldest one available? |
| 10:09:44 | Rob2222 | well, i can live with it |
| 10:09:52 | Rob2222 | thats not the problem |
| 10:09:54 | pondlife | But it should still be fixed. |
| 10:09:59 | Rob2222 | just a little annoying |
| 10:10:00 | Rob2222 | yep |
| 10:10:23 | pondlife | There are, IMHO, too many people "living with" bugs in Rockbox, and not reporting or investigating them. |
| 10:11:25 | Rob2222 | cause of that im trying to help :) |
| 10:11:27 | pondlife | That's not meant as a criticism, by the way |
| 10:11:36 | pondlife | Just a sad fact of life... |
| 10:11:56 | Rob2222 | the problem is, i didnt know how to reproduce yet |
| 10:12:01 | Rob2222 | and hoped you know about the error |
| 10:12:11 | pondlife | Sorry, no. |
| 10:12:26 | pondlife | Have you checked on Flyspray? |
| 10:12:38 | Rob2222 | not yet |
| 10:12:47 | pondlife | It's likely to be a general SWCODEC problem, not just H300. |
| 10:12:56 | Rob2222 | ah i got the error again. let me try to find a way to reproduce |
| 10:14:35 | Rob2222 | lol |
| 10:14:43 | Rob2222 | pretty simple to reproduce as i see |
| 10:15:00 | Rob2222 | start h300, play. hit navi, go one file up, press play. done |
| 10:15:08 | Rob2222 | press right i mean |
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| 10:18:37 | Rob2222 | ah another thing. |
| 10:18:43 | Rob2222 | it plays for example track 3 |
| 10:18:51 | Rob2222 | but when pressing navi in bug situation |
| 10:19:00 | Rob2222 | the arrow is at track 4 |
| 10:19:15 | pondlife | That's a known bug - I reported it on Flyspray a while back |
| 10:19:30 | Rob2222 | then i think its the same |
| 10:19:31 | pondlife | Follow Playlist gets it wrong if you press NAVI during buffering. |
| 10:19:48 | Rob2222 | and WPS filename is wrong then too |
| 10:20:15 | pondlife | I didn't see that - but I display ID3. |
| 10:20:23 | Rob2222 | id3 is ok |
| 10:20:32 | Rob2222 | but filename is track+1, too |
| 10:20:35 | Rob2222 | as the arrow |
| 10:21:24 | pondlife | Yes, in the browser. |
| 10:21:41 | Rob2222 | i meaned filename in WPS |
| 10:21:47 | Rob2222 | but i think its the same cause. |
| 10:22:11 | pondlife | Weirdly it works ok once the buffering process has completed... if you wait a minute or so before you first press NAVI. |
| 10:22:28 | pondlife | And that makes it hard to debug in the simulator. |
| 10:22:29 | Rob2222 | which buffering you mean? from filename cache? |
| 10:22:47 | pondlife | Reading files from disk - i.e. wait for the disk to spin down. |
| 10:23:03 | Rob2222 | tried that, but let me try again |
| 10:24:12 | Rob2222 | nope pondlife, didnt work for me |
| 10:24:26 | Rob2222 | i waited until disc icion was gone + 5 secs |
| 10:24:29 | crop | pondlife: does it still occur after jhMike's commit? |
| 10:24:31 | Rob2222 | switched song. bug |
| 10:24:48 | pondlife | crop: Which commit is that? |
| 10:25:14 | Rob2222 | i have 070704 |
| 10:26:23 | pondlife | crop: It's happening with the current SVN |
| 10:27:25 | pondlife | I like the way that repeatedly pressing NAVI results in skipping forwards ;p |
| 10:27:28 | amiconn | obo: Any news concerning G5 instability? |
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| 10:27:38 | Rob2222 | lol pond |
| 10:27:56 | pondlife | "New one-button operation" |
| 10:28:06 | Rob2222 | lol |
| 10:28:07 | obo | amiconn: only just got into work - it's playing, I'll let you know how it goes |
| 10:28:24 | pondlife | amiconn: What's the current test? 75 vs 78 ? |
| 10:32:16 | crop | pondlife: he's fixed a bug in FM which was caused by the wrong adc code or something like that. Let me see... |
| 10:32:39 | Rob2222 | fm? |
| 10:33:17 | pondlife | crop: Don't worry, it's definitely not fixed.. |
| 10:33:25 | crop | pondlife: I meann the commit from 27 Jun 03:11 |
| 10:33:34 | crop | pondlife: he-he :-) |
| 10:34:55 | Rob2222 | well ok, at least the problem is known |
| 10:36:27 | pondlife | Rob2222: Maybe put a note on Flyspray to mention the filename display aspect. |
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| 10:40:07 | amiconn | obo: Reducing the clock might help stability, but not because of the clock reduction. I have a suspicion what might be going on, but can't verify myself |
| 10:40:20 | amiconn | This G5.5/80 simply doesn't crash (and neither does my mini) |
| 10:40:42 | amiconn | You could do another test: |
| 10:40:47 | obo | amiconn: I'm happy to keep testing... |
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| 10:41:30 | amiconn | Revert everything to svn, and then comment out lines 179 and 180 in firmware/target/arm&/system-pp502x.c |
| 10:41:44 | amiconn | (the goal is that unknown1 will always be set to 15) |
| 10:42:09 | amiconn | If you load such a build, I would expect it to crash even faster than svn... |
| 10:42:38 | amiconn | If it does, I think I understand what this 0x70000034 register does... |
| 10:43:05 | obo | Okay, I'll give that a go next |
| 10:43:12 | amiconn | ..and why it only crashes on some G5s |
| 10:47:12 | Rob2222 | pondlife: i didnt find it in flyspray. strange search engine. i type follow playlist and get 200 hits ... |
| 10:49:09 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7244 |
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| 10:49:50 | pondlife | Rob2222: Actually, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7248 sounds like yours |
| 10:50:07 | pondlife | So don't worry.. |
| 10:50:31 | crop | pondlife: have you tried this with dircache disabled? |
| 10:50:39 | Rob2222 | crop: yes, same |
| 10:50:50 | pondlife | crop: Yes |
| 10:51:07 | Rob2222 | pond: - go to any dir with MP3 files not containing ID3 tags; <= thats not even needed |
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| 10:51:28 | pondlife | Yep, I se roolku has also mentioned this aspect. |
| 10:52:07 | pondlife | crop: I can repro this from cleared settings, just enabling Follow Playlist. |
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| 10:53:10 | crop | pondlife: ah, just read this in the bug report, sorry |
| 10:53:33 | dionoea | hum, interesting. The pp5022 pdf mentions 100MHz max per core instead of 80MHz. Did someone already try to make it run at 100MHz ? |
| 10:53:43 | Rob2222 | added a comment to flyspray |
| 10:54:54 | Rob2222 | damn, i have to listen to my lecture than seeking errors in h300 |
| 10:55:05 | Rob2222 | -have + should |
| 10:55:42 | amiconn | dionoea: I tried 96MHz once. Worked fine. |
| 10:57:41 | dionoea | ah, nice. :) might be interesting for mpegplayer on ipod video. (although mpegplayer on ipod video is completely useless) |
| 10:59:02 | dionoea | completely unrelated: any idea what the yuv422i string in the 5G's apple_os.bin refers to ? (could the pp chip handle both rgb565 and yuv422i ?) |
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| 11:01:43 | amiconn | The pp chip doesn't "handle" pixel formats |
| 11:01:52 | amiconn | I guess this might have to do with the tv out |
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| 11:15:36 | bger | http://cgi.ebay.com/TOSHIBA-GIGABEAT-F40-40GB-MP3-MOBILE-AUDIO-PLAYER-NR_W0QQitemZ270142433596QQihZ017QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem <= any ideas what could be the cause of the 'left and right buttons don't work' |
| 11:16:19 | scorche | bger: long time no see =P |
| 11:16:48 | scorche | btw, toffe82 is the one you likely want to talk to about that |
| 11:16:53 | bger | yeah, too much work |
| 11:17:45 | bger | i can't buy this item (its for US only), but i'm sure that the price will be low, so if the unit can be repaired easily, someone could buy it |
| 11:18:02 | scorche | he nabs most of those actually |
| 11:18:11 | scorche | you should see his collection of parts... |
| 11:20:27 | bger | :D |
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| 11:30:29 | * | pondlife wishes F40s appeared in the UK a bit more often. |
| 11:30:39 | safetydan | What's a good guide to arm instructions? |
| 11:31:20 | pondlife | Google gave me... http://www.heyrick.co.uk/assembler/ |
| 11:31:34 | pondlife | http://www.heyrick.co.uk/assembler/sanity.html is good! |
| 11:34:47 | safetydan | cheers |
| 11:35:00 | pondlife | No idea if it's accurate, of course... |
| 11:39:00 | safetydan | well I only need to read some arm asm at the moment |
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| 11:49:23 | obo | amiconn: after 1 hour, got an undefined instruction at 00108B14 - that's with lines 179 and 180 commented out |
| 11:49:24 | * | GodEater shakes his head at the Nano 2G thread. |
| 11:50:33 | amiconn | obo: Hmm. Is that earlier than with svn? |
| 11:51:04 | obo | svn yesterday was anywhere between 40 minutes and a couple of hours |
| 11:51:13 | scorche | GodEater: dont you see?...it is so easy...we just need a driver! |
| 11:51:46 | GodEater | scorche: he's clearly far cleverer than us |
| 11:52:14 | scorche | i didnt even knwo about the "afws" before that |
| 11:52:52 | amiconn | obo: Hmm, okay. YOu could try to set unknown1 (line 181) to 3 - that's what the apple loader sets and hence what was used before my changes |
| 11:52:58 | scorche | haha: "Yep, it's been done. Check out my build of evilg's build." |
| 11:53:06 | GodEater | scorche: if you can invent a new acronym you're a genius - it's a clear indication |
| 11:53:09 | scorche | unofficial builds of unofficial builds |
| 11:53:10 | * | amiconn thinks 0x700000034 has to do with sdram timing |
| 11:53:26 | amiconn | s/used/always used/ |
| 11:53:57 | * | amiconn summons LinusN |
| 11:54:28 | * | petur thinks Sweden is in holiday ;) |
| 11:54:33 | amiconn | obo: Oh, if you try this, leave lines 179 and 180 commented out of course |
| 11:54:52 | obo | amiconn: yup - building that now |
| 11:55:06 | amiconn | If this works, I think I know the reason, and the solution |
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| 11:58:58 | petur | btw, there was somebody here yesterday evening who was interested in having a go at the encryption of the nano 2gen - see the log starting 20:25 |
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| 12:00:12 | petur | ( http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070705#20:00 ) |
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| 12:29:56 | pondlife | That IRC log has some nice yellow-on-white text :/ |
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| 12:33:05 | * | amiconn doesn't use this scripted log reader |
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| 12:34:25 | pondlife | Nor do I, normally. |
| 12:34:59 | amiconn | It usually lags like hell |
| 12:35:05 | amiconn | (half an hour or so) |
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| 13:08:50 | petur | markun: thanks! |
| 13:12:00 | petur | ohhh... BOFH time :) |
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| 13:18:53 | markun | petur: no problem :) |
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| 13:19:31 | petur | of course, paypal had to have its share but that's ok |
| 13:19:47 | petur | btw, I'll be in Amsterdam on sunday |
| 13:19:53 | markun | did I pay something extra? |
| 13:20:08 | markun | too bad, I'll be in venlo for a change.. |
| 13:20:11 | petur | no, it's taken off of my part ;) |
| 13:20:25 | markun | weird! |
| 13:20:41 | fed | is anyone here well versed in the recording screen? |
| 13:20:49 | petur | I'll be doing recording fieldtests (bjork concert) |
| 13:21:00 | petur | fed: what's up? |
| 13:21:05 | markun | petur: ah, some friends of mine are going to that concert |
| 13:21:45 | fed | I'd like to change the rec directory after recording has started. By the way, I have multiple rec directories already set up. |
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| 13:23:36 | fed | I know how to change the directories, but for some reason, I can't change the directory after rec has started. |
| 13:24:08 | petur | because that is passed on to the lower level code... |
| 13:25:06 | fed | I have given up on trying to change the directory after rec has started, and now I would like ot try to just change the filename after the fact. |
| 13:25:21 | XavierGr | petur: I can't stop reading BOFH stories, he is my new idol :P; Hell, I want to become a computer operator now hehe |
| 13:25:48 | fed | I can't seem to find a funtion like 'cp' or 'rename' |
| 13:27:25 | petur | fed: int rename(const char* path, const char* newpath) |
| 13:27:43 | petur | (firmware/common/file.c) |
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| 13:28:18 | petur | fed: you should be able to stop and restart recording with a new directory |
| 13:28:50 | fed | I did do the stop and start with the new directory fine |
| 13:29:04 | petur | so? |
| 13:29:06 | fed | I tried rename, but it doesn't seem to work... |
| 13:29:47 | petur | did you try rec_new_file(void) (apps/recorder/recording.c)? |
| 13:30:03 | petur | not that I have ever tried ;) |
| 13:30:43 | fed | if I do that, what you are currently recording goes to the old directory, and the next one goes to the new directory. That is what I am doing now. |
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| 13:31:10 | fed | What I'd like is for what I have already recorded to go to the new directory. |
| 13:31:28 | petur | you can't |
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| 13:31:48 | petur | the file is open and data is being written into it |
| 13:31:56 | fed | That's why I want to rename after the fact. |
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| 13:32:27 | petur | unless you would do that in the first few minutes (while the data is still being buffered -ie before the first flush) |
| 13:32:47 | petur | you can only rename if the file is closed |
| 13:32:58 | fed | That sounds good. |
| 13:33:06 | petur | (don't know where that is done) |
| 13:33:14 | fed | Oh |
| 13:33:24 | fed | I guess I'll stick with rename |
| 13:33:34 | petur | so restart recording with a new file and then you should be able to rename the previous one |
| 13:34:46 | fed | Yeah, but I can't seem to get the rename finction to work. Now that I know where it is (thank you), I'll try to find out what I'm doing wrong. |
| 13:35:55 | fed | The other thing I'd like to do is change the prerec time after rec has started. I figure that you just need to change the audioduf start in the final file saving in MP3.c |
| 13:36:07 | fed | do you know if this is possible? |
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| 13:36:50 | fed | sorry, it is /firmware/mpeg.c |
| 13:37:54 | petur | I fear the prerec time is set at recording init (not even rec start) |
| 13:38:24 | fed | it is |
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| 13:38:30 | LinusN | why would you want to change the prereq time after the recording has started? |
| 13:38:47 | LinusN | prerec |
| 13:39:00 | petur | and I don't think you can do the init twice, so you have to create a new function to modify it and make sure the buf is fine... tricky code |
| 13:39:14 | fed | but in case MPEG_SAVE_DATA, there is rc = write(mpeg_file, audiobuf + audiobuf_read, amount_to_save); |
| 13:39:31 | fed | which suggests that you can change the prerec after the fact |
| 13:39:39 | fed | maybe before the first flush? |
| 13:39:42 | LinusN | why would you want that? |
| 13:39:56 | fed | I use it as a voice recorder. |
| 13:40:02 | petur | fed, I guess you could fiddle with the start of rec pointer |
| 13:41:03 | fed | if you have prerec at 30sec, and you said something and only need the last 10 sec, I hate listening to the 20sec prior to that. It would be nice to change it on the fly. |
| 13:41:31 | fed | How would I change the rec pointer? |
| 13:42:29 | petur | haven't visited that code since jhMikeS rewrote most part of it |
| 13:42:34 | LinusN | why not just edit the files afterwards? |
| 13:43:18 | LinusN | i assume we are talking archos here? |
| 13:43:27 | fed | too much work when you are dealing with 30 recs a day |
| 13:43:28 | petur | oh... |
| 13:43:41 | * | petur was thinking SWCODEC |
| 13:43:48 | fed | sansa, actually |
| 13:44:00 | LinusN | fed: how would you change it on the fly, ui-wise? |
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| 13:44:26 | Kingstone | will there be Rockbox for iPhone? |
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| 13:44:29 | fed | I set up the scroll to change the prerec time. I've got that part going |
| 13:44:48 | LinusN | and it really isn't about changing the prerec time, is it? it sounds more like you want to select how much of the recording to save |
| 13:45:03 | LinusN | after the fact |
| 13:45:25 | fed | I would like prerec to be 1-2 minutes, and then chose what you keep after. |
| 13:45:33 | LinusN | fed: if it is sansa, then you are not supposed to look in firmware/mpeg.c |
| 13:45:34 | petur | Kingstone: are you serious? |
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| 13:45:56 | fed | where would I look then? |
| 13:45:58 | LinusN | fed: firmware/mpeg.c is only for the archos targets |
| 13:46:26 | LinusN | fed: try firmware/pcm_record.c |
| 13:46:27 | fed | that would explain a lot of my frustration |
| 13:46:53 | fed | pcm_record is for wav file. I use mp3 recording |
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| 13:47:16 | petur | no |
| 13:47:35 | petur | recording has two buffers: PCM and encoded |
| 13:47:54 | petur | when PCM is almost full, it is handed to the encoder |
| 13:47:56 | LinusN | pcm_record.c handles the raw pcm recording, and passes it to the encoder |
| 13:48:17 | petur | the encoder (WAV, MP3,...) writes its result in the encoded buffer |
| 13:48:31 | petur | hey, I'm explaining it... :p |
| 13:48:44 | * | LinusN backs off |
| 13:48:55 | * | petur resumes |
| 13:49:09 | petur | and when the encoded buffer is almost full, it is flushed to disk |
| 13:49:15 | * | petur is done |
| 13:50:31 | fed | where is the flush? in mpeg.c? |
| 13:50:51 | petur | no idea, ask jhMikeS ;) |
| 13:51:52 | fed | how do I contact jhMikeS? |
| 13:52:31 | petur | he's based in the US, should get here this afternoon (euro time) |
| 13:53:34 | fed | Thank you very much! |
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| 13:56:37 | fed | Until next... |
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| 14:00:37 | merbzt | preglow: vector_fmul_add_add can be optimized quite much, one argument is always 0 and another one is always 1 |
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| 14:07:48 | merbzt | preglow: I added it this way just to be compatible with the ffmpeg simd routines |
| 14:08:29 | petur | merbzt: I think preglow is on holiday (already or almost) |
| 14:12:33 | obo | amiconn: just had a data abort, after 2 hours with unknown1 = 3 |
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| 14:19:34 | Crash91 | hello |
| 14:20:11 | markun | hi Crash91 |
| 14:20:40 | Crash91 | markun: hello markun |
| 14:22:16 | Crash91 | markun: how do youthink this looks as a replacement for rockbox's connected icon? |
| 14:22:19 | Crash91 | http://www.iriver.co.jp/images/supporter/670_52/ss_usb_connected.jpg |
| 14:23:03 | markun | I think the current one is fine too |
| 14:23:15 | Crash91 | :) |
| 14:23:20 | Crash91 | omg |
| 14:23:40 | Crash91 | i have a ghost in my dvd drive, it keeps opening and closing! |
| 14:24:04 | Crash91 | ......ok it stopped |
| 14:24:19 | Zagor | Crash91: who drew that image? |
| 14:24:56 | Crash91 | not me, but i am going to make something like it, so dont go on about copyright |
| 14:25:03 | Zagor | :-) |
| 14:25:03 | Crash91 | :) |
| 14:25:11 | XavierGr | Zagor: this is the image from the original iriver FW (H300) |
| 14:25:18 | Zagor | XavierGr: aha |
| 14:25:26 | XavierGr | indeed :P |
| 14:25:36 | Crash91 | and anyway....its iriver |
| 14:25:38 | XavierGr | so I don't think that rockbox can use it even if we want it |
| 14:26:28 | Crash91 | am I allowed to use images if they are released under GPL/CC? |
| 14:27:14 | dionoea | GPL yeah |
| 14:27:50 | Crash91 | How about if i take a pic of my sansa's connector (plain black, no logos) and edit it a bit |
| 14:29:10 | Zagor | Crash91: connector? do you mean connect image, or the cable? |
| 14:29:20 | Crash91 | Cable |
| 14:29:24 | Zagor | that's fine |
| 14:29:29 | Crash91 | Ok |
| 14:30:22 | Crash91 | hmm....does anyone know if i can install inkscape locally without becoming root? |
| 14:31:20 | amiconn | obo: hmrf! |
| 14:31:38 | amiconn | obo: Did you also test the 75MHz patch? |
| 14:32:13 | obo | not for long enough, no - I'll run that this afternoon |
| 14:33:10 | * | Zagor just found out that there is no way to make the log reader work in msie, since it simply doesn't support "server push" |
| 14:33:23 | Zagor | I guess I can stop trying now, then |
| 14:34:00 | petur | at least make it show the log in IE then.... |
| 14:34:08 | petur | (without the auto-refresh) |
| 14:34:33 | Zagor | sure. I'll add a notice at the top too. |
| 14:37:09 | Febs | amiconn: let me know if there is something that I can test. |
| 14:37:34 | Febs | Do you still need me to test r13764, 65, 66? |
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| 14:43:03 | DeadlyAvenger | hello |
| 14:43:38 | DeadlyAvenger | ...or not |
| 14:43:56 | belze_ | btw: the wma decoder is almost running in realtime now on the iriver after the last submits |
| 14:44:27 | DeadlyAvenger | anyone here able to give me a hand with wpdmon? |
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| 14:48:37 | GodEater | DeadlyAvenger: with what ?!? |
| 14:49:23 | GodEater | have any of the recent ipod changes gone anywhere near the USB code ? |
| 14:49:52 | DeadlyAvenger | GodEater: wpdmon, it monitors the output to a device using the mtp protocol |
| 14:49:56 | * | petur guesses this: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/media/WPD_tips.mspx |
| 14:50:06 | * | petur guessed too late |
| 14:50:17 | DeadlyAvenger | lol |
| 14:50:44 | DeadlyAvenger | trying to get a readout on my zen vision m, but it doesn't like it :( |
| 14:52:02 | petur | the page I linked mentions that the tool outputs trace info, maybe have a peek at it with debugmon? |
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| 14:54:45 | DeadlyAvenger | hmmm |
| 14:56:14 | Crash91 | guys, for the "new" rockbox USB icon, how about the gnome icons for computer and DAP with an arrow between them? |
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| 15:06:05 | LinusN | Crash91: didn't we just change them? |
| 15:06:22 | Crash91 | erm...when? |
| 15:06:36 | XavierGr | Crash: yes I don't think we need new USB icons, current ones are good enough imho |
| 15:07:03 | Crash91 | :) Ill make them for my build, and you can take them if you like them |
| 15:07:37 | XavierGr | sure, if they are good looking |
| 15:07:45 | Crash91 | I prefer the glossy-looking icons to the grey solid ones :) |
| 15:07:51 | amiconn | Febs: Yes please. Alternatively you could test my 75MHz patch |
| 15:08:30 | Crash91 | Almost finished, making some "Connection" arrows between computer and DAP icons, ill upload them to imageshack when im finished |
| 15:08:40 | amiconn | Note that it's not the same as testing those intermediate revisions |
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| 15:08:55 | * | amiconn wonders why 78MHz would be a problem for PP5022 :| |
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| 15:09:22 | Febs | amiconn: I've had r13764 running for about 40 minutes with no crash. |
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| 15:17:09 | Crash91 | XavierGr:Finished, will post link soon |
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| 15:18:03 | Febs | amiconn: r13764 crashed. There was no error message, just a complete freeze. |
| 15:18:54 | Crash91 | http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/6268/connectsw1.jpg <- "New" icon |
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| 15:20:01 | dionoea | you should have the image on the DAP's screen |
| 15:20:06 | dionoea | (like infinite inclusion) |
| 15:20:31 | XavierGr | Crash: MyOpinion: I don't like that an ipod looking device is shown on the picture, also I prefer a USB cable depicted, other than that it is a good looking picture |
| 15:21:02 | petur | I like the way the current one uses transparency to show on top of my backdrop |
| 15:21:43 | Crash91 | petur:Just fill the white with purple |
| 15:21:46 | Crash91 | pink* |
| 15:22:01 | petur | you think it's that easy? |
| 15:22:12 | Crash91 | XavierGr: Thanks, im looking for an image under gpl that looks nice |
| 15:22:33 | Crash91 | I got the current icons from the gnome default theme/tango, |
| 15:23:03 | petur | Crash91: if they used AA then the transparent version will be ugly on anything but a white background |
| 15:23:28 | Crash91 | AA? |
| 15:23:36 | petur | anti aliassing |
| 15:23:44 | Crash91 | aah |
| 15:23:55 | Crash91 | i was thinking of album art :p |
| 15:24:04 | petur | tssss |
| 15:24:12 | dionoea | except if you keep like a 2 or 3 pixel wide white border (at least it won't look fuzzy) |
| 15:24:46 | Crash91 | Ok, i will try to do a white stroke around it......i need to get used to gimp.... |
| 15:25:18 | Crash91 | does anyone know how to stroke an image in the gimp? |
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| 15:39:01 | Kingstone | will there be Rockbox for iPhone? |
| 15:39:14 | Zagor | Kingstone: yes, if someone makes it |
| 15:39:39 | Kingstone | i mean, does anybody started thinking/working |
| 15:39:47 | Kingstone | i don't have an iphone nor i can buy |
| 15:39:50 | Crash91 | The iPhone completely disappointed people |
| 15:39:51 | Kingstone | i don't live in the US.. |
| 15:39:55 | Crash91 | so dont buy one |
| 15:40:12 | Kingstone | but i will want to when it come to my country (europe) |
| 15:40:15 | Kingstone | why disappointed/ |
| 15:40:35 | Zagor | since apple says they will prevent all 3rd party software, it could be a bit hard |
| 15:41:05 | Crash91 | Very slow browsing, poor video, the list goes on |
| 15:41:19 | Crash91 | and yes, no 3rd party software |
| 15:41:51 | Crash91 | You HAVE to get a cingular wireless connection even if you dont want to. |
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| 15:43:40 | amiconn | Febs: Hmm, would be interesting to know whether r13764 _only_ causes freezes (i.e. no data aborts) |
| 15:43:49 | amiconn | ..or undefined instructions |
| 15:44:59 | Febs | I'll keep testing and let you know what I observe. r13764 has not crashed again since my last message to you. When I was running r13767 yesterday, it was crashing much more frequently, and with data aborts and undefined instructions. |
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| 15:45:19 | XavierGr | iPhone IMHO as Crash said sucks, no 3G or MMS and the lack of a physical keyboard is weird. Apple and its fanboys though did a fine job into advertising and publicity |
| 15:45:32 | Crash91 | XavierGr:http://www.who-sucks.com/tech/15-reasons-why-apples-iphone-sucks |
| 15:45:57 | Crash91 | No support for vista or win x64 |
| 15:46:28 | Crash91 | oh and, the biggest reason......APPLE PRODUCT |
| 15:46:44 | XavierGr | exactly |
| 15:47:45 | XavierGr | wma on iriver H300 is according to test_codec 103.09% realtime. It needs a little bit more optimization to be usable for coldfire |
| 15:48:35 | Crash91 | Guys...is there a sim for linux? |
| 15:49:43 | XavierGr | you can compile one if you have the right pakcages |
| 15:50:06 | XavierGr | or you could install vmware on linus and use the vmware image but I don't find it very efficient if you already run linux |
| 15:50:11 | Crash91 | hmmm.....how? Guide me through it |
| 15:50:19 | Crash91 | not the vmware |
| 15:51:33 | XavierGr | have you looked the wiki? |
| 15:52:23 | XavierGr | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator |
| 15:53:02 | Crash91 | thanks |
| 15:55:12 | Crash91 | naah....too much work and i dont have wine |
| 15:55:22 | Crash91 | ill just use my sansa |
| 15:55:52 | XavierGr | wine? |
| 15:56:04 | XavierGr | you don't need wine to run the sim |
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| 15:56:37 | sarixe | hi, i tried using the rockbox source from the exact day the patches were released, and still i got FAILED hunks |
| 15:58:20 | XavierGr | then you have to contact the author of the patch or try to fix the failed hunks yourself |
| 15:58:47 | sarixe | ok |
| 15:59:25 | Crash91 | XavierGr: got it....i was looking at wrong page |
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| 16:00:26 | Crash91 | wait...are they meant to be called hunks? |
| 16:00:46 | XavierGr | sarixe: you could post to ask for an update on the flyspray page that you got the patch |
| 16:00:52 | Crash91 | i thought it was a typo for chunks |
| 16:00:55 | sarixe | that's what patch calls them, Crash91 |
| 16:01:02 | Crash91 | kk |
| 16:01:15 | sarixe | XavierGr : it was rockbox.webhop.org |
| 16:01:37 | sarixe | various patches such as scroll margins, multi-font support, album art, etc |
| 16:02:00 | sarixe | it's for a lot of the wps themes for iaudio x5 |
| 16:02:15 | XavierGr | sorry, that's the first time I encounter tha page |
| 16:02:19 | XavierGr | ^that |
| 16:02:26 | sarixe | ...seems to be the mantra |
| 16:02:59 | XavierGr | I am sure that most of the patches there can be found on the patch tracker too |
| 16:03:18 | XavierGr | though I don't know if they are updated, or if they compile cleanly all together |
| 16:03:19 | sarixe | alright, i'll check there... you think they'd be updated there? |
| 16:03:21 | sarixe | o |
| 16:03:27 | XavierGr | you will just have to try it |
| 16:03:32 | sarixe | yup |
| 16:03:36 | XavierGr | too many patches to fiddle those days :P |
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| 16:04:03 | sarixe | lol |
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| 16:07:33 | XavierGr | Hello saratoga any new optimizations for wma on coldfire? This thing is a tiny bit away from beeing usable |
| 16:08:02 | Crash91 | XavierGr: where is the directory the uisim reads stuff from? |
| 16:08:38 | saratoga | XavierGr: last nights changes should work on all platforms |
| 16:08:44 | Crash91 | is it rockbox-full.zip |
| 16:08:46 | saratoga | they made arm a good bit faster |
| 16:08:56 | saratoga | have you tried them on coldfire? |
| 16:09:14 | sarixe | XavierGr : the majority of the problems seem to be in the lcd files in firmware/export |
| 16:10:16 | sarixe | i also checked the patch tracker, and they had an even older version than i have |
| 16:11:23 | XavierGr | Crash: to install a rockbox build on the sim, type "make install" after you have compiled the sim with "make" |
| 16:11:38 | XavierGr | saratoga: yeah they did make it faster on coldfire. |
| 16:11:50 | DeadlyAvenger | saratoga, it's samsharp99 from the zen forums, do you know anything about getting wpdmon to work? |
| 16:12:03 | XavierGr | saratoga: it went from 90% to 103% I think |
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| 16:13:00 | saratoga | DeadlyAvenger: sorry, never heard of it |
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| 16:13:10 | Crash91 | XavierGr: I mean where is the .rockbox directory that the sim is reading from |
| 16:13:22 | saratoga | i wonder why its so much slower on coldfire |
| 16:13:30 | saratoga | theres hardly any arm specific stuff in there |
| 16:13:32 | petur | Crash91: look for the archos subdir |
| 16:13:41 | saratoga | unless memory is a lot faster on arm targets? |
| 16:13:51 | Crash91 | its blank |
| 16:14:16 | Febs | amiconn: with r13764, data abort at 000371FC. |
| 16:14:25 | Lear | saratoga: RAM is slow on ColdFire at least. Moving stuff to IRAM makes a big difference. |
| 16:14:37 | petur | Crash91: the archos dir its the root of the sim device |
| 16:14:41 | Lear | That's how I made AAC usable on ColdFire... |
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| 16:15:03 | Crash91 | i built the sim in /home/crash/rockbox/uisim |
| 16:15:08 | saratoga | how much iram is there on coldfire? |
| 16:15:13 | Crash91 | the archos directory in /uisim is blank |
| 16:15:32 | Lear | 96 kb, half of which is available to the codec. |
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| 16:15:47 | bluebrother | Crash91: checked for hidden folders? |
| 16:15:48 | saratoga | ok so same as PP |
| 16:16:00 | Crash91 | Oh yeah...:P |
| 16:16:22 | saratoga | well if some enterprising coldfire owner wants to try, I've barely used any of the available IRAM... |
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| 16:16:38 | saratoga | since we're still moving things around in memory a lot |
| 16:16:43 | pixelma | on M5 my test 128kbps wma track is now as fast as the test ape track I got from linuxstb (I always forget the quality) - about 105% runtime in test_codec |
| 16:17:26 | pixelma | with last night's changes |
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| 16:19:14 | saratoga | thats ridiculous |
| 16:19:24 | saratoga | I get ~190% realtime on the sansa |
| 16:19:45 | merbzt | saratoga: vector_fmul_add_add can be optimized abit, it's called with 0 always for one argument and 1 for another |
| 16:19:59 | saratoga | merbzt: I saw that |
| 16:20:07 | saratoga | please hold off on touching that for a bit |
| 16:20:33 | saratoga | I want to rewrite that to use the CORDIC trig functions instead of the fixsin32 and fixcos32 it now uses, which will mean changing the fixed point format |
| 16:20:54 | saratoga | afterwards I suspect it could be folded into a FMAC loop or such |
| 16:22:41 | saratoga | though please if you want to try out any other changes, feel free |
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| 16:22:49 | saratoga | theres so much that could be done better |
| 16:22:55 | saratoga | hard to pick just one place :) |
| 16:26:41 | Crash91 | XavierGr: Ive finished my "icon" and it looks okay on backgrounds |
| 16:26:42 | sarixe | oh duh! the webhop site has pre-patched source! lemme try that...... |
| 16:27:06 | amiconn | saratoga: I have a local change that speeds up wma on coldfire by ~5% |
| 16:28:30 | amiconn | saratoga: I wonder why wma is nearly on par with mp3 on arm, but way slower than mp3 on coldfire |
| 16:29:04 | amiconn | On coldfire, mp3 doesn't even boost most of the time |
| 16:30:29 | amiconn | Lear: Speaking about aac usability on cf - it plays w/o skipping, but boost ratio stays at 100% :| |
| 16:31:28 | merbzt | saratoga: I assume that you mean that you want to use Q1.31 as array representation and thereby getting rid of the shifting in the mul operator ? |
| 16:32:19 | Crash91 | is CPU scaling enabled on sansa? Whenver i go into debug>audio thread it shows boost as 100% |
| 16:32:21 | Lear | amiconn: Strange, last I looked, it was something like 50%. With "reasonable" bitrates. |
| 16:33:00 | zzuh | my rockbox db seems shot, is there a way to go fixing it, apart from setting -> update db now |
| 16:33:00 | amiconn | I used ~128kbps (which sound like 128kbps encoded with xing - urgs) |
| 16:34:13 | Crash91 | zzuh: there have been problems with the db recently |
| 16:34:15 | Lear | No, more than 50, about 80, with ~160 kbps (iTunes), |
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| 16:34:26 | saratoga | merbzt: I think you still need to do the shift with Q1.31 |
| 16:34:39 | saratoga | mostly i was hoping to get rid of the redudant trig functions |
| 16:34:44 | sarixe | alright... what do i do when the .c file compiles alright, but then LD gives the .o an error? |
| 16:34:53 | Crash91 | guys, take a look at my "new" usb connector icon and tell me what you think |
| 16:34:54 | Crash91 | http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/7673/connectvx5.png |
| 16:35:01 | saratoga | if theres a performance improvement, that'd be nice too though :) |
| 16:35:03 | zzuh | Crash91, what can be done? |
| 16:35:08 | Lear | (With a bit of dsp processing on) |
| 16:35:16 | saratoga | plus cordic is more accurate, so that would mean less rounding errors too |
| 16:36:10 | amiconn | Lear: No dsp stuff enabled here. (H180) |
| 16:36:13 | Crash91 | zzuh: goto initialize db and it will probably crash wile initing, then note where it crashes and press Prev/back before it crashes again |
| 16:36:23 | zzuh | hehe |
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| 16:36:26 | zzuh | thanks :) |
| 16:36:29 | Crash91 | zzuh:This will restore most of your db, but not all |
| 16:36:38 | Crash91 | its just a workaround :) |
| 16:36:45 | amiconn | Maybe there's a boost count imbalance so it stays boosted without necessity? |
| 16:36:53 | amiconn | Voice was enabled, btw |
| 16:36:55 | Crash91 | You can always use the file browser :P |
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| 16:37:19 | Crash91 | Anyone check out my usb thing |
| 16:37:41 | Crash91 | http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/7673/connectvx5.png |
| 16:39:21 | sarixe | Crash91 : it's very slow to load |
| 16:39:28 | sarixe | but nice |
| 16:39:59 | Crash91 | thanks, the slowness is not my fault, probably imageshack's servers are busy |
| 16:40:04 | sarixe | right |
| 16:40:54 | Crash91 | Any criticism? |
| 16:41:19 | sarixe | i like the shading on the computer and the arrow |
| 16:41:43 | sarixe | try to incorporate that into the audio player |
| 16:41:57 | Crash91 | Well...to be honest |
| 16:42:02 | Crash91 | i didnt make the icons |
| 16:42:07 | sarixe | ...copy/paste, right... |
| 16:42:37 | Crash91 | Gnome, but i had to delete all the edges and ensure it blends well |
| 16:43:01 | sarixe | right |
| 16:43:09 | Crash91 | but i thought it would be a nice replacement for the current ones |
| 16:43:39 | lostlogic | for those who were at Devcon West (or who have been to vegas and are geeks): http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/070706.html |
| 16:44:45 | Crash91 | fyi, it redirects you to the homepage |
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| 16:45:03 | zzuh | Crash91, could you see your private message? |
| 16:45:18 | Crash91 | no, i am not registered |
| 16:45:26 | Crash91 | join #crash if you want to talk |
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| 16:58:50 | Crash91 | Why is it not possible to kick yourself if you are an op?!?! |
| 17:00 |
| 17:03:17 | Crash91 | guys...how do i patch .diff files? |
| 17:03:42 | Crash91 | is it patch -p0 < xxxx.diff? |
| 17:03:55 | Nico_P | yes$* |
| 17:03:56 | sarixe | using the patched source provided on rockbox.webhop.org, i get an error with rockcalendar.o, saying an undefined reference to `memcpy' |
| 17:04:06 | Crash91 | ok |
| 17:04:07 | sarixe | Crash91 : http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/patch.1.html |
| 17:04:42 | Nico_P | sarixe: just so you know, the patches from rockbox.webhop.org are meant to be applied in sequence... you can't just pick one and apply it |
| 17:04:49 | sarixe | i know |
| 17:04:51 | Nico_P | about the ld error I don't know though |
| 17:04:57 | sarixe | i applied them in sequence |
| 17:05:04 | Nico_P | oh |
| 17:05:08 | sarixe | and then i tried using THEIR OWN patched source |
| 17:05:13 | sarixe | which should be the same |
| 17:05:23 | sarixe | however, when i applied them in sequence, i got some errors |
| 17:05:31 | sarixe | FAILED hunks |
| 17:05:35 | Crash91 | sarixe: almost the same as "man patch" |
| 17:05:36 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:05:41 | sarixe | Crash91 : identical |
| 17:05:46 | Crash91 | :) |
| 17:05:51 | Nico_P | sarixe: why do you get failed hnuks on a patched source ? |
| 17:05:59 | sarixe | i don't know |
| 17:06:09 | sarixe | the patches are meant to be used on 2007-06-22 |
| 17:06:13 | Nico_P | wait, you applied patches on a patched source ? |
| 17:06:13 | sarixe | and that's what i used them on |
| 17:06:16 | sarixe | no |
| 17:06:30 | sarixe | i applied patches to the original rockbox-20070622 |
| 17:06:37 | sarixe | and that gave me failed hunks |
| 17:06:39 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 17:07:07 | sarixe | and then i downloaded the patched source from rockbox.webhop.org, hoping it would yield better results |
| 17:07:22 | sarixe | (didn't patch it again, just assumed it was already patched, as promised) |
| 17:07:38 | sarixe | and i go to make it, and get that ld error |
| 17:10:05 | sarixe | it's in function keyboard_loop in rockcalendar.c |
| 17:10:27 | sarixe | but i can't even find ANY reference to memcpy there, let alone undefined |
| 17:10:50 | Nico_P | it should be rb->memcpy |
| 17:11:03 | sarixe | that's the one, but it's in a completely different function |
| 17:11:20 | sarixe | read_notes |
| 17:11:20 | Nico_P | could you pastebin the coupiler output ? |
| 17:11:24 | sarixe | yup |
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| 17:13:13 | sarixe | Nico_P : you need the whole output, or just the error? |
| 17:13:25 | Nico_P | just the area with the rror |
| 17:14:09 | sarixe | http://pastebin.com/943212 |
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| 17:16:08 | PaulJam | sarixe: you propably need a similar gange like it was done here: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/plugins/sokoban.c?r1=13739&r2=13740 |
| 17:16:43 | Crash91 | guys, if i apply several patches and the do svn up . will it replace the patched files?! (if the patched files have been updated) |
| 17:17:08 | Nico_P | Crash91: no, it will attempt to merge your changes with the ones in SVN |
| 17:17:28 | Crash91 | Ok, good thing i got that clarified :) |
| 17:17:34 | sarixe | btw, i can't even get the original source to build right |
| 17:17:49 | Nico_P | the letter next to the file will tell you what happened... C for conflict, G for merged IIRC |
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| 17:18:05 | Nico_P | sarixe: that's not a good sign |
| 17:18:09 | sarixe | nope |
| 17:18:16 | Nico_P | are you sure you have the right compiler version ? |
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| 17:18:27 | pondlife | sarixe: Have you managed to do a clean build without patches, from rockbox.org? |
| 17:18:29 | sarixe | i ran tools/rockboxdev.sh |
| 17:18:35 | sarixe | pondlife : no |
| 17:18:42 | pondlife | Have you tried that? |
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| 17:18:51 | pondlife | i.e. ignore the webhop stuff completely |
| 17:18:56 | sarixe | i have |
| 17:18:58 | sarixe | no success |
| 17:19:19 | pondlife | What OS are you? |
| 17:19:28 | sarixe | linux |
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| 17:20:16 | pondlife | Ah, ok. I'm not familiar but I'd start with an svn diff and making sure it finds no differences. |
| 17:20:25 | sarixe | ok |
| 17:20:34 | pondlife | svn up won't overwrite patched stuff |
| 17:20:40 | sarixe | wait, will svn have the 2007-06-22? |
| 17:20:48 | pondlife | No, the current build |
| 17:20:50 | sarixe | o |
| 17:20:57 | sarixe | well, i'm actually not that familiar with svn |
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| 17:21:24 | sarixe | any guide i should use? |
| 17:21:32 | pondlife | I'd forget the 2007-06-22 and any patches... hang on, Ill find the wiki |
| 17:21:44 | sarixe | pondlife : then what? |
| 17:22:11 | sarixe | i mean, the whole purpose of these patches is to be able to use certain themes |
| 17:22:22 | sarixe | and afaik, these patches aren't incorporated yet |
| 17:22:30 | pondlife | Well I'd prove you can compile a working Rockbox first. Forget patches. |
| 17:22:36 | sarixe | true |
| 17:23:03 | pondlife | Then you can get them incorporated... maybe need to pester some people to work on them of course... so it could take a while. |
| 17:23:10 | sarixe | shall i get the bleeding source? |
| 17:23:13 | pondlife | But then everyone benefits and we can help you |
| 17:23:14 | pondlife | Yes |
| 17:23:25 | Nico_P | sarixe: svn will allow you to get the particular revision you want |
| 17:23:45 | Nico_P | but pondlife's right, test with the most recent first |
| 17:23:59 | XavierGr | sarixe: type svn update in the dir with the rockbox source |
| 17:24:07 | | Part LinusN |
| 17:24:13 | XavierGr | then svn diff to make sure that you don't have any differences |
| 17:24:20 | sarixe | ok |
| 17:24:26 | Nico_P | XavierGr: that'll only work if the source is a wroking copy... sarixe: is it ? |
| 17:24:27 | XavierGr | if it doesn't output anything you are ready to go |
| 17:24:43 | sarixe | Nico_P : is what? |
| 17:24:45 | Nico_P | sarixe: i.e. did you do an svn checkout ? |
| 17:24:58 | XavierGr | yeah I thought that you have already checkedout the source |
| 17:25:14 | sarixe | no, i was dl-ing it from the site |
| 17:25:22 | Nico_P | sarixe: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN |
| 17:25:31 | sarixe | and now my stepdad's fucking with port 80 on my system again |
| 17:25:32 | pondlife | Nico_P: Thanks, that's what I was looking for |
| 17:25:33 | sarixe | brb |
| 17:25:33 | XavierGr | nope you have to checkout the code |
| 17:25:37 | XavierGr | else svn will not work |
| 17:26:04 | pondlife | Maybe start in a whole new directory before you checkout |
| 17:26:28 | Nico_P | pondlife: would you like write access to the MoB repo in JdGordon's SVN ? |
| 17:27:00 | pondlife | Nico_P: No, don't worry... unless it comes with a free time machine. |
| 17:27:06 | Nico_P | hehe |
| 17:27:31 | pondlife | More important that some of us check through your code as it progresses. |
| 17:27:52 | Nico_P | agreeed |
| 17:28:44 | sarixe | back |
| 17:29:00 | pondlife | Maybe you could lay out JdGordon's SVN like the real one a bit... might help merging.. |
| 17:29:13 | * | pondlife must look up about git |
| 17:29:31 | * | sarixe is an svn newb |
| 17:29:45 | Nico_P | pondlife: I'll probably use a git branch on my comp to do that |
| 17:29:49 | pondlife | sarixe: I was, not long ago. It's pretty nice. |
| 17:30:12 | pondlife | Mind you, I have to use SourceSafe at work :S |
| 17:30:13 | sarixe | right... i've minimally used cvs, and yes, it's nice |
| 17:30:13 | Nico_P | pondlife: ideally, Bagder would set me up with git hosting on rockbox.org |
| 17:30:58 | pondlife | Are you ready to start using buffering.c in the playback code now? |
| 17:31:06 | sarixe | alright, i just downloaded rockbox-bleeding |
| 17:31:12 | sarixe | attempting to make |
| 17:31:19 | pondlife | Nico_P: Or is there some multithreading testing to be done in file copy first? |
| 17:31:46 | Nico_P | pondlife: I don't really know |
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| 17:32:49 | dionoea | Nico_P: md5s match on target now ? (was it the alignement issue?) |
| 17:32:52 | sarixe | running rockboxdev.sh |
| 17:32:55 | pondlife | I'd think the next step is to carry on copying files in a plugin, but with two threads.... one internal running the buffering and another calling the API and writing the output. |
| 17:33:03 | Nico_P | dionoea: yes, it was an alignment issue |
| 17:33:08 | dionoea | nice :) |
| 17:33:15 | Nico_P | works fine on target now, except it fails the LL test |
| 17:33:22 | dionoea | LL ? |
| 17:33:39 | dionoea | linked list ? |
| 17:33:42 | Nico_P | linked list... I wrote a small test suite to make sure everything's OK, and a part of it fails on target |
| 17:33:48 | * | pondlife was wondering what that failure was about |
| 17:33:50 | dionoea | ah ok. |
| 17:34:01 | fed | I am using rename () , and the return value was -72. Does anyone have an idea of what this means? |
| 17:34:07 | pondlife | Ah, you said it was a move_handle issue, right? |
| 17:34:20 | Nico_P | yes. I thought it would be the alignment but no |
| 17:34:37 | Nico_P | I think I'll investigate that |
| 17:34:41 | pondlife | If it's on target only, then maybe there's another alignment issue? |
| 17:34:54 | Nico_P | maybe yes |
| 17:35:06 | Nico_P | or some other weird issue :) |
| 17:35:42 | pondlife | Do you need to have appropriate struct member alignment? I've heard rumours about that (but assume gcc would pack).. |
| 17:35:52 | amiconn | Nico_P: For target tests, an ipod (or even an archos) would be better. Both will throw an exception (data abort on arm, cpuadrerr on sh) on unaligned accesses |
| 17:36:15 | Nico_P | amiconn: I only have a gigabeat and an H300 |
| 17:36:28 | Nico_P | my brother will be back with his H10 on the 25th |
| 17:36:28 | pondlife | amiconn: That can be enabled on H300, right? |
| 17:36:42 | amiconn | pondlife: If the struct itself is aligned, there should be no problem. gcc aligns struct members, as long as you don't declare a packed struct |
| 17:36:51 | pondlife | Good |
| 17:36:56 | Crash91 | how do i remover a patch? |
| 17:37:09 | dionoea | patch -R < thepatch |
| 17:37:09 | pondlife | patch -p0 -R < xx.patch |
| 17:37:10 | Nico_P | Crash91: patch -R -p0 < diff |
| 17:37:10 | amiconn | pondlife: Nope. Coldfire doesn't care about alignment and happily accesses unaligned values (jsut slower) |
| 17:37:25 | Crash91 | ok thanks |
| 17:37:38 | amiconn | But perhaps it can be enabled on gigabeat |
| 17:37:42 | Nico_P | Crash91: man patch too ;) |
| 17:37:57 | Crash91 | lol...keep forgetting |
| 17:40:00 | amiconn | Does the gigabeat's arm core include the system control coprocessor? |
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| 17:41:22 | zylche | whats up with rocklife? just upgraded rockbox there, 06/06/07 −−> 06/07/07 |
| 17:41:36 | fed | Can anyone let me know how I access the DEBUGF outputs? |
| 17:41:43 | sarixe | badabing, i actually got it to build this time |
| 17:42:03 | sarixe | bleeding source builds fine here |
| 17:42:27 | sarixe | pondlife : now what? |
| 17:43:20 | amiconn | Ah, looks like it does :) |
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| 17:43:45 | sarixe | amiconn : who were you talking to? |
| 17:43:56 | dionoea | zylche: what's up what ? |
| 17:44:05 | * | amiconn answered his own question |
| 17:44:13 | sarixe | ah |
| 17:44:59 | pondlife | sarixe: OK, now work out which patches you need (as few as possible) and attempt to apply them one at a time. Flyspray is the place where you'll find the latest versions. |
| 17:45:12 | sarixe | ok |
| 17:45:16 | Nico_P | amiconn: is that good or bad ? |
| 17:45:36 | Crash91 | i cant get pegbox to build properly :( |
| 17:45:37 | pondlife | Some may fail to patch as they are out of date. You'll need to pester the author to update or have a hack yourself... |
| 17:45:46 | amiconn | Nico_P: It is good. You can enable abort on unaligned accesses |
| 17:45:55 | Crash91 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5725 < i have done everything that says but no joy |
| 17:46:27 | pondlife | sarixe: Also, some patches may fail when combined with others. I suggest you do a make after each successful patch. |
| 17:47:02 | | Part fed |
| 17:47:32 | sarixe | pondlife : just for the record... what do i do after make? |
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| 17:47:40 | sarixe | make zip? |
| 17:48:00 | amiconn | Nico_P: In firmware/target/arm/s3c2440/gigabeat-fx/mmu-meg-fx.c, try the following: |
| 17:48:04 | pondlife | Yes, if you need a zip to install on the device. |
| 17:48:28 | pondlife | sarixe: But I meant to rebuild after each patch just to save time if one is broken. |
| 17:48:29 | amiconn | Insert the following line between line 91 and 92: |
| 17:48:41 | sarixe | it'll make rockbox.zip for me? or the files to put in it? |
| 17:48:52 | amiconn | "orr r0, r0, #1<<1\n" /* enable alignment fault check */ |
| 17:48:59 | pondlife | sarixe: If it doesn't compile, you can patch -R and try again. |
| 17:49:03 | sarixe | pondlife : ok, i'll try that |
| 17:49:20 | saratoga | for unix apps that isntall with a Makefile.PL, is there some command to change the install path? |
| 17:49:30 | pondlife | Yes, make zip makes rockbox.zip - but you don't need to do that until you have constructed your final build |
| 17:49:38 | sarixe | ok |
| 17:50:02 | pondlife | Although you may want to check you can make zip and install your initial unpatched build first. |
| 17:50:20 | pondlife | (And that it plays music!) |
| 17:50:36 | Nico_P | amiconn: ok |
| 17:51:41 | sarixe | pondlife : the latest versions of these patches all appear to be 20070622 |
| 17:52:09 | pondlife | Link? |
| 17:52:18 | sarixe | http://rockbox.webhop.org/ |
| 17:52:43 | sarixe | under "Builds based on SVN repository from 20070622" |
| 17:53:33 | amiconn | Nico_P: This should crash with a data abort if you run yesterday's problematic code (with the broken alignment) |
| 17:53:57 | pondlife | sarixe: You'll need to search Flyspray for the patches you want... the webhop one is frozen in time |
| 17:54:04 | Nico_P | amiconn: I've just build a logf build with this change |
| 17:54:04 | sarixe | o |
| 17:54:09 | amiconn | The displayed address should match the function in question |
| 17:54:12 | Nico_P | I expect it to crash in the LL test |
| 17:54:46 | pondlife | sarixe: IMHO, with Rockbox, progress is so fast there's little point in worrying about "unofficial" sources... |
| 17:55:01 | sarixe | mm |
| 17:55:03 | Nico_P | hmm, no crash |
| 17:55:13 | sarixe | you think these patches will be incorporated soon, then? |
| 17:55:19 | pondlife | sarixe: Unlikely |
| 17:55:25 | sarixe | hm |
| 17:55:29 | pondlife | But Flyspray has the latest versions |
| 17:55:56 | sarixe | would there just be similar ones put in? (stable ones that are permanent) |
| 17:56:30 | pondlife | Depends... The WPS ones probably won't be as there is a plan for viewports that will make them redundant |
| 17:56:45 | sarixe | what's that? |
| 17:56:50 | sarixe | (viewports) |
| 17:57:15 | pondlife | Search the wiki... :) |
| 17:57:25 | sarixe | lol |
| 17:57:41 | pondlife | It's a can of worms :) |
| 17:58:15 | pondlife | Anyway, best you pick which patches you want and attempt to grab them from Flyspray, I'd say. |
| 17:58:51 | pondlife | e.g. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4733 for multifont |
| 17:58:52 | sarixe | ok |
| 17:59:02 | Nico_P | amiconn: still no crash, even with the alignment check comment out |
| 17:59:20 | pondlife | Nico_P: Even if you remove the +3)&~3 ? |
| 17:59:45 | Nico_P | pondlife: that's what I commented out |
| 17:59:51 | pondlife | Gotcha |
| 18:00 |
| 18:00:03 | pondlife | So bad files came out...? |
| 18:00:35 | Crash91 | how do i change the coordinates of the USB logo? |
| 18:00:41 | Nico_P | pondlife: yes |
| 18:01:29 | pondlife | Maybe something else is resetting the alignment fault bit? |
| 18:03:05 | sarixe | pondlife : rockbox boots and plays music |
| 18:03:26 | pondlife | So you can definitely build from scratch! |
| 18:03:37 | sarixe | yup |
| 18:03:43 | sarixe | i don't know why it failed before |
| 18:03:46 | pondlife | But the challenge is in getting a set of synced patches and source. |
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| 18:03:51 | sarixe | right |
| 18:04:01 | Nico_P | sarixe you can svn up to any rev you want |
| 18:04:05 | Nico_P | svn up -rN |
| 18:04:17 | sarixe | replace N with the date? |
| 18:04:22 | ^BeN^ | hi |
| 18:04:24 | Crash91 | Guys, does anyone know where to set the coordinates at which the usb logo/rockbox logo is displayed?? |
| 18:04:26 | Nico_P | the rev or mayb the date |
| 18:04:32 | Nico_P | type svn help up |
| 18:04:33 | pondlife | Date isn't accurate enough really. |
| 18:04:33 | | Nick ^BeN^ is now known as Paprica (n=Paprica@rockbox/developer/paprica) |
| 18:04:51 | Paprica | :P |
| 18:05:19 | | Join Rori [0] (i=MO-Pants@host-84-9-52-242.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 18:05:27 | pondlife | Hi Paprica |
| 18:05:40 | Paprica | lol |
| 18:05:47 | Paprica | someone remmber me? =\ |
| 18:05:54 | Rori | Hi guys. Does anyone know if I can use this http://www.filron.com/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=15986 on my 1st gen Nano with Rockbox? Or would I have to boot to the Apple firmware? |
| 18:06:01 | pondlife | Yes, now you've decloaked :) |
| 18:06:03 | | Part zzuh ("brb") |
| 18:06:31 | Paprica | lol what is decloaked |
| 18:06:33 | Paprica | =\ |
| 18:07:25 | dionoea | hi Paprica . Did you see my comment on the Spider solitaire entry in FS ? |
| 18:07:50 | zylche | hmm.. is rockipedia still getting worked on? |
| 18:08:04 | zylche | And is there a plugin to do it for an ipod video 5g? |
| 18:08:39 | Paprica | dionoea no =\ |
| 18:08:52 | dionoea | ok :) |
| 18:09:32 | pondlife | Paprica: I didn't recognise ^BeN^... |
| 18:09:56 | Paprica | hihi :) |
| 18:10:21 | pondlife | OK, I know I've asked before, but would a 4GB iPod Nano in black or white be a 1st gen for certain...? |
| 18:10:40 | pondlife | For example, this one: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=013&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&viewitem=&item=230148502989&rd=1&rd=1 |
| 18:11:01 | sarixe | is there a 2nd gen ipod nano? |
| 18:11:08 | Crash91 | the 1st gen has metal back |
| 18:11:19 | pondlife | sarixe: There is, and Rockbox won't work on it. |
| 18:11:20 | Nico_P | amiconn: my gigabeat refueses to crash |
| 18:11:22 | Crash91 | the 2nd gen has curved edges and is all plactic |
| 18:11:24 | sarixe | o |
| 18:11:25 | Crash91 | plastic* |
| 18:11:26 | pondlife | Nico_P: :) |
| 18:11:55 | Crash91 | pondlife: Get_a_Sansa |
| 18:12:16 | Crash91 | pondlife:the link you set has 1st gens |
| 18:12:23 | pondlife | Crash91: Is Sansa smaller than a Nano? |
| 18:12:37 | Crash91 | pondlife:no but 500% more features |
| 18:12:42 | pondlife | This is for mrs pondlife, she wants no HD and tiny |
| 18:12:53 | Crash91 | sansa = flash |
| 18:12:58 | pondlife | Features not important, size is. |
| 18:13:05 | Crash91 | ok |
| 18:13:22 | Crash91 | hoold on |
| 18:13:23 | Rori | "2006-12-17: Recording on iPod 4G/5G/Nano and H10" How do you record on a Nano??? Also still need an answer on Nano accessories. |
| 18:13:30 | pondlife | I don't think I can justify the expense of a nano really - maybe just get a tiny unbranded one. |
| 18:13:50 | Crash91 | http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/10/SansaNanoFaces.jpg < the nano in the pic is 2nd gen, 1st get is somewhat thicker (2mm?) |
| 18:14:25 | Crash91 | sansa = 1cm thick, nano = .5cm thick |
| 18:15:01 | Crash91 | pondlife: |
| 18:15:03 | Crash91 | IPod Nano — Dimensions: 90x40x6.9 (first generation) 90x40x6.5 (second generation) |
| 18:15:03 | pondlife | http://www.3000rpm.com/acatalog/Sumvision_2_Gig_USB_MP3_Player_With_Radio.html is cheap... but no Rockbox. |
| 18:15:10 | sarixe | pondlife : i think you're right about the patches... none of them seem to work |
| 18:15:11 | sarixe | lol |
| 18:15:17 | Crash91 | sansa = 4.4 cm wide x 8.9 cm long x 1.3 cm high |
| 18:15:42 | Crash91 | pondlife: fyi sansas are cheaper than nanos while having more features |
| 18:15:50 | sarixe | either way, is there a way i can have svn automatically update the source tree, and have an automatic build process, like the daily build server? |
| 18:16:23 | pondlife | sarixe: "svn up" will update your source |
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| 18:16:29 | sarixe | ok |
| 18:17:37 | Crash91 | is there something like task schedulaer in linux? then you could make it automatically execute a shell script |
| 18:17:48 | pondlife | at ? |
| 18:18:01 | [Ray] | cron |
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| 18:18:15 | sarixe | aye, cron |
| 18:18:19 | sarixe | i should have though of that |
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| 18:21:44 | zylche | Is Rockipedia a deserted idea then? |
| 18:21:53 | Crash91 | pondlife: i recommend you get a creative MuVo |
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| 18:23:45 | Nico_P | memmove seems to e causing me problems |
| 18:24:49 | sarixe | alright... anyone wanna give me a quick howto on getting source from the svn? |
| 18:25:03 | sarixe | like, how to login and then what to do from there...? |
| 18:25:27 | dionoea | you don't need to login for svn |
| 18:25:31 | dionoea | to get the source |
| 18:25:45 | sarixe | so... what DO i do? |
| 18:25:52 | PaulJam | sarixe: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingSVN#Downloading_checking_out_the_sou |
| 18:25:56 | sarixe | thanks |
| 18:30:45 | Rori | So...do ANY dock accessories for iPod work in Rockbox? |
| 18:32:42 | PaulJam | Rori: i think there is a wikipage. IpodAccesories or something like that. |
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| 18:37:44 | Rori | this is more useful http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories |
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| 18:43:59 | webguest17 | hi, i have a GBC rom saved to my ipod but when i go to open it in rockbox files it wont open it goes into a white screen then flashes unknown ROM size 61d54 and then pluggin error , help please? |
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| 18:52:41 | Rori | I don't understand why finding out the iPod universal dock serial protocol etc is so hard. There are MANY dock accessories and those companies don't seem to have a problem obtaining the documentation. Unless you have to pay for it I can't see why someone could not just ask for it from either Apple or one of those companies that make the addons |
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| 18:53:03 | Rori | Opinions? |
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| 18:55:35 | PaulJam | i guess these companies have to sign some kind of NDA to get them. |
| 18:56:14 | pondlife | http://stud3.tuwien.ac.at/~e0026607/ipod_remote/ipod_ap_old.html any use? |
| 18:57:01 | saratoga | Rori: the dock protocol i swell understood |
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| 19:01:25 | PaulJam | hey petur, thanks for fixing FS7388 and 7359 |
| 19:01:32 | petur | np |
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| 19:01:49 | sarixe | someone have quick help for this line? : |
| 19:01:51 | sarixe | cp rockbox.zip rockbox-${date +%Y%m%d}.zip |
| 19:01:52 | petur | thanks for spotting |
| 19:02:21 | sarixe | i'm trying to copy the output of make zip to a file with the date in the name |
| 19:02:49 | petur | PaulJam: your bugreports are nice, you almost give the solution. Sometimes I wonder why you didn't attach the patch ;) |
| 19:03:14 | PaulJam | petur: no realname :p |
| 19:03:25 | petur | ah right.. pitty |
| 19:03:33 | petur | you deserve credit ;) |
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| 19:15:24 | Rori | "<saratoga> Rori: the dock protocol i swell understood" I meant in getting accessories to work over the serial interface |
| 19:17:17 | Rori | There are so many addons for the iPod I am amazed that this has not been added yet. Guess there are not that many Rockbox iPod users who need them as I thought. Maybe it's just the Non-Rockbox crowd who usually buy that stuff. |
| 19:17:36 | Febs | GodEater: are you around? |
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| 19:19:41 | saratoga | Rori: the interface was documented ages ago |
| 19:19:53 | saratoga | its not supported because no one has figured out how the PP serial interface works |
| 19:20:25 | Rori | as I stated |
| 19:20:31 | Rori | would need docs |
| 19:20:38 | Rori | maybe NDA would screw that up |
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| 19:21:04 | saratoga | Rori: what companies produce is something else |
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| 19:21:13 | saratoga | they don't need this information to make an ipod accessory |
| 19:21:28 | saratoga | since apple provides the firmware |
| 19:21:42 | Rori | so they don't even need to know |
| 19:21:45 | Rori | what goes on inside |
| 19:21:54 | Rori | just instructions to interface with the apple fw |
| 19:21:57 | Rori | yeah makes sense |
| 19:22:29 | saratoga | theres some simple protocol with just a few commands |
| 19:22:34 | saratoga | list files, play file, etc |
| 19:22:34 | Rori | so they can still keep the serial PP to themselves...hmmm how annoying |
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| 19:23:03 | Rori | kinda like Nano 2G has an encryption? |
| 19:23:18 | saratoga | what do you mean? |
| 19:23:38 | Rori | I heard they could not crack 2G Nano or something which is why it's not got a Rockbox |
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| 19:23:56 | Doomed | i dont think its encryption though |
| 19:24:01 | Rori | I don't understand it technically |
| 19:24:57 | Rori | Perhaps it's interfacing with the hardware that is the problem |
| 19:25:00 | Ave | I thought that it was bc nano 2g has different internals hw-wise, like not portalplayer based anymore |
| 19:25:12 | Rori | yeah diff chipset |
| 19:25:17 | Rori | I read that too |
| 19:25:41 | Rori | oh well. I want to know how good 2G's gapless playback is |
| 19:25:56 | Ave | wow, it has gapless playback... but does it play vorbis? |
| 19:25:58 | Rori | I may buy an 8GB one if it's good enough |
| 19:26:00 | Ave | .. thought so |
| 19:26:02 | saratoga | the 2G does encrypt the firmware and it is based on different hardware |
| 19:26:05 | Rori | not bothered about Ogg etc |
| 19:26:11 | saratoga | i just didn't understand how that was like the serial port |
| 19:26:16 | Rori | Just want a player that works fully and has gapless |
| 19:26:32 | Rori | MP3 and AAC are just fine for me |
| 19:26:48 | Rori | although working in iTunes sucks a bit |
| 19:26:54 | Ave | one thing that annoys me about vanilla apple is the need of itunes |
| 19:26:56 | Rori | I prefer easy folder and filenames |
| 19:27:04 | Ave | or specialized obfuscated uploader or whatnot |
| 19:27:08 | Rori | yeah |
| 19:27:08 | Ave | yeah |
| 19:27:23 | Rori | well I could put up with that. I don't change my music on it that often anyhow |
| 19:27:51 | Rori | so has anyone any experience with 2G Nano's gapless playback? |
| 19:27:51 | Ave | I think there are some linux tools so you can upload to plain ipod, cant buy songs tho |
| 19:28:05 | saratoga | this isn't the right place to discuss the apple firmware |
| 19:28:11 | Rori | ok |
| 19:28:17 | Rori | will check ilounge |
| 19:29:00 | Ave | oh yeah, keeping in mind that gapless is kind of impossible with eg mp3 encoded files unless youre lucky |
| 19:29:21 | saratoga | Ave: mp3 works fine with gapless |
| 19:29:37 | saratoga | rockbox, itunes, etc will decode it gaplessly |
| 19:29:45 | Ave | you need more oompah in the gapless engine detecting when there's silence or end |
| 19:29:59 | Rori | iTunes perhaps but it's the player I am interested in |
| 19:30:02 | Ave | with vorbis you KNOW when the song ends precisely |
| 19:30:06 | Rori | Rockbox does a good job of gapless |
| 19:30:25 | Ave | I also like that rb has dithering |
| 19:30:47 | Doomed | mp3 gapless fine |
| 19:31:12 | saratoga | Ave: gapless mp3 as implemented in rockbox, itunes, etc does not detect where silence is |
| 19:31:21 | Rori | Doomed? |
| 19:31:29 | saratoga | its actual gapless decoding, same as ogg or mpc |
| 19:31:34 | Ave | oh ok |
| 19:31:46 | Ave | there has been some advancements |
| 19:32:08 | Doomed | oops sorry, didnt write a complete sentence, =\ |
| 19:33:38 | Rori | Doomed are you saying 2G Nano has decent gapless decoding with iTunes 7? |
| 19:34:10 | Doomed | no, i was wanted to say that mp3s play fine gaplessly on rockbox |
| 19:34:27 | Rori | k# |
| 19:34:35 | Doomed | my friend has an 8gb nano 2g, but i dont remeber offhand how the gapless was |
| 19:35:44 | Rori | might be worth finding out if he will let you play with it :) |
| 19:36:21 | GodEater_ | iTunes's gapless implementation is "ok". I don't think it's as good as Rockbox's - but it's a vast improvement over "no gapless at all" in previous iTunes. |
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| 19:38:11 | Rori | Hmm you can buy refurbed ipods from apple's online store. Wonder what the warranty is though |
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| 19:38:26 | Rori | same 1 year hmm |
| 19:39:08 | Ave | hows the price? |
| 19:39:08 | Rori | 135 for a 8gb nano as opposed to 169 (UK ripoff prices again) |
| 19:39:14 | Ave | ah |
| 19:39:34 | Rori | have to see if I can find cheaper on google product search lets check |
| 19:39:59 | Ave | I wouldnt mind a 8G 1st gen nano if such exists |
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| 19:42:43 | GodEater_ | Ave: it doesn't |
| 19:42:43 | Rori | you would need to mod the nand flash memory |
| 19:42:47 | Rori | change it out |
| 19:43:03 | Rori | 128.79 is cheapest I can find 8GB 2G Nano |
| 19:43:05 | Ave | rats, so the 4gig is max |
| 19:43:27 | Ave | I currently have 2G one which is fine and all, but at times it gets a little tight on space.. |
| 19:43:33 | Rori | ex postage and no idea if that includes vat it wants me to register to checkout (Hates those online shops) |
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| 19:44:26 | Rori | ah vat included |
| 19:44:28 | Rori | good |
| 19:44:38 | Rori | depending on shipping that would not be a bad deal |
| 19:44:54 | Rori | new rather than a refurb |
| 19:45:15 | Rori | tempted... |
| 19:45:28 | Ave | have you considered anything other than nano? or apple |
| 19:45:33 | Rori | heh. nah I don't need to right now. Maybe later. |
| 19:45:40 | GodEater_ | Febs: got your message - will make sure we leave a message for you if we actually work out where to meet up |
| 19:45:43 | Rori | Reason I would stick with Apple is for the accessories |
| 19:45:47 | Ave | my experience with other brands has not been all that good |
| 19:45:57 | Galois | the accessories aren't usually supported in rockbox anyway |
| 19:46:01 | Rori | nobody has as many addons |
| 19:46:06 | Rori | I know |
| 19:46:13 | Rori | which is why I was thinking of a 2G for gapless |
| 19:46:21 | pondlife | Rob2222: Fix for your WPS filename available here - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7244 |
| 19:46:24 | Galois | Sansa is 8GB and works pretty well even without accessories |
| 19:46:31 | GodEater_ | Rori: Why not a 5.5G ? |
| 19:46:39 | GodEater_ | then you could run Rockbox on it too |
| 19:46:53 | Ave | the sans build quality was little flimsy, compared to apple |
| 19:46:56 | Ave | sansa |
| 19:47:12 | Febs | GodEater: thanks! |
| 19:47:16 | Rori | 1. I want gapless playback (Rockbox delivers). 2. I want accessories to work as per hardware spec (Not on Rockbox for many addons). 3. more memory (2G has 8GB) |
| 19:47:21 | Galois | at least the problems are solvable, unlike the nano 2g |
| 19:47:29 | GodEater_ | Febs: otherwise I think we'll turn up at the hotel front desk and go from there :) |
| 19:47:30 | Rori | 4. I want small. |
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| 19:48:25 | Rori | 5. I don't want to wait years for Rockbox to support accessories fully. If I could do it myself I would heh. I ain't complaining though since Rockbox is free ;) |
| 19:48:27 | docgnome | does anyone know anything about mounting an Archos Jukebox under OS X 10.4? |
| 19:48:58 | GodEater_ | docgnome: I'm not entirely sure it's possible |
| 19:49:03 | GodEater_ | but if it is - amiconn will know |
| 19:49:04 | docgnome | it's a Studio 20 running rockbox. |
| 19:49:07 | Rori | Players like Sansa etc are nice and all but I do like my addons :) |
| 19:49:11 | amiconn | markun: around? |
| 19:49:18 | docgnome | GodEater_: what makes you say that? |
| 19:49:30 | * | pondlife wanders off, wondering if anyone would like to look at the one-line mod attached to FS |
| 19:49:34 | pondlife | #7244 |
| 19:49:39 | GodEater_ | as I understand it - the old Archoses don't implement USB mass storage |
| 19:49:48 | GodEater_ | though I'm ready to be corrected if I'm wrong |
| 19:49:51 | amiconn | docgnome: The archos Player/Studio has an USB chip that does not use the usb msd standard |
| 19:50:21 | amiconn | You need a specific ISD200 driver; don't know whether that's available for OS X |
| 19:50:39 | docgnome | amiconn: figures. Strange though that I can mount it just fine under Linux. |
| 19:51:02 | GodEater_ | docgnome: this is because there's a driver under linux :) |
| 19:51:06 | amiconn | Linux has an ISD200 driver, courtesy of Zagor |
| 19:51:42 | amiconn | GodEater: This is correct, or specifically, it applies to the archos Player/Studio (all capacity versions), and the archos recorder v1 (usb1.1 versions, which are the 6, 10 and 15GB models) |
| 19:52:07 | GodEater_ | is the list of archoses for which it isn't true shorter ? :) |
| 19:52:12 | amiconn | The recorder v1 20GB and the fm/v2 recorders are usb2.0 and use the ISD300 which is msd compatible |
| 19:52:20 | GodEater_ | hehe - thought so |
| 19:52:28 | GodEater_ | I should really try to remember that |
| 19:52:33 | amiconn | And the Ondios are also msd compatible (though usb1.1 only) |
| 19:52:41 | GodEater_ | ouch - slow! |
| 19:52:47 | amiconn | Nah, it's flash |
| 19:53:07 | amiconn | And the bridge is much slower than what usb1.1 at max would be |
| 19:53:39 | amiconn | Updating rockbox on my archos Studio 20 is several times (read: more than 10x) faster than on Ondio |
| 19:53:42 | docgnome | It seems that there is a driver for OS X 10.1 that came on the CD that came with the Jukebox but it's for 10.1 and it doesn't seem to do... anything after I installed it on 10.4 |
| 19:54:03 | GodEater_ | I thought USB1.1 was something like 11Mbps, while USB2.0 was up around 400 ? |
| 19:54:37 | amiconn | Actually this doesn't have to do with USB versions; it's a common misbelief |
| 19:55:06 | GodEater_ | maybe my old Rio600 is the culprit for me believing this |
| 19:55:16 | GodEater_ | it was SO slow to load anything on to |
| 19:55:20 | amiconn | USB1.1 defines a protocol, and 2 transfer speeds: low speed (1.5Mbit/s) and full speed (12 Mbit/s) |
| 19:55:48 | amiconn | USB2.0 extends the protocol, *and* adds a 3rd transfer speed: high speed (480Mbit/s) |
| 19:56:09 | Rori | Hmm from what I am reading 2G Nano's gapless playback only works if the album is in the iTunes database. If not then you are screwed. |
| 19:56:20 | amiconn | But: an USB2.0 compatible device does not *require* high speed to be supported |
| 19:56:43 | GodEater_ | amiconn: I see what you're saying - I was aware USB 2.0 *could* be slower |
| 19:56:52 | GodEater_ | I've just not come across many devices which are |
| 19:57:06 | amiconn | But even if the bridge implements high speed, the 480Mbit/s is a theoretical limit |
| 19:57:08 | GodEater_ | I *didn't* know there were two speeds for 1.1 though |
| 19:57:27 | GodEater_ | amiconn: Much like my 22Mbit/s broadband :) |
| 19:57:43 | * | GodEater_ checks his router. Yep. Only 8Mb/s |
| 19:57:43 | Rori | I should go into an Apple store with a USB drive with some CD mix tracks on it and get them to transfer them onto a player and test it. |
| 19:57:47 | amiconn | It would mean that fast hdd connected via USB2.0 could yield 60MByte/s, but in practice you'll see something like 30 |
| 19:58:25 | GodEater_ | Rori: Do you mean iTunes Store Database ? |
| 19:58:38 | amiconn | GodEater: Low speed is often used for HIDs (mice, keyboards). More than enough for them, and allows cheaper designs |
| 19:58:40 | GodEater_ | Rori: because it it's not in the iTunes player database, then it won't play at all ;) |
| 19:58:55 | GodEater_ | amiconn: very good point - I'd just not thought about it I guess |
| 19:59:02 | Galois | I'm running my main hard drive here off USB1.1 (full speed, but still) |
| 19:59:03 | Rori | wut? |
| 19:59:07 | GodEater_ | it's not often you worry about the transfer speed of your mouse |
| 19:59:29 | amiconn | hehe |
| 19:59:31 | GodEater_ | Rori: you said you can only get gapless if it's in the iTunes database |
| 19:59:35 | amiconn | Gamers might ;) |
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| 19:59:42 | Rori | if you add MP3's of your own to iTunes it won't play them because it's not in their database? |
| 19:59:53 | GodEater_ | amiconn: I met Thresh (of Quake / Doom) fame once - he was obsessive about his mouse |
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| 20:00:18 | GodEater_ | Rori: when you add anything to your local iTunes - it goes into the database |
| 20:00:27 | Rori | oh |
| 20:00:36 | GodEater_ | Rori: so I'm not sure what you're saying won't play back gaplessly |
| 20:00:56 | GodEater_ | actually, I met him twice, once in Stockholm, and once in London |
| 20:00:59 | PaulJam | Rori: afaik itunes reads the lame header when you impot mp3s (and plays them gaplessly) |
| 20:01:20 | Rori | But what I read on iLounge was that if the album does not contain the info (IE you have a bunch of MP3's from an album not listed on iTunes) then the gapless feature would not work? |
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| 20:01:26 | Rori | hmm |
| 20:01:35 | amiconn | GodEater: Perhaps he'd buy an USB2.0 high-speed capable mouse ;) |
| 20:01:37 | Rori | maybe I should install iTunes 7 and test |
| 20:01:43 | GodEater_ | Rori: again - what do you mean by "Not listed in iTunes" ? |
| 20:01:46 | GodEater_ | do you mean the online store ? |
| 20:01:51 | Rori | yeah |
| 20:01:52 | GodEater_ | or do you mean the program on your computer |
| 20:01:57 | Rori | err |
| 20:02:15 | Rori | I mean when sending the MP3's to the player for gapless playback |
| 20:02:21 | GodEater_ | Rori: well that's a complete fabrication - NONE of my music is on the iTunes store - and my iPod managed to play it back gaplessly just fine |
| 20:02:31 | Rori | Not sure how iTunes and the player handles it |
| 20:02:43 | GodEater_ | iTunes DOES have to preprocess it all before it goes onto the player though |
| 20:02:48 | Rori | 2G/5.5G? |
| 20:02:52 | GodEater_ | yes |
| 20:02:55 | Rori | k |
| 20:03:04 | GodEater_ | the preprocessing can take a LONG time if you have a lot of music |
| 20:03:16 | GodEater_ | I have about 6000 tunes, and it took about 4 hours |
| 20:03:32 | GodEater_ | Rockbox does it on the fly :) |
| 20:03:54 | Rori | what the hell is it doing? converting to aac? |
| 20:04:02 | GodEater_ | No - it scans for gaps |
| 20:04:09 | Rori | lulz |
| 20:04:13 | GodEater_ | and records information about it in the iTunesDB on the player |
| 20:04:30 | Rori | how does it know if an album is meant to be gapless or nor? |
| 20:04:31 | GodEater_ | so the local playing mechanism on the iPod doesn't have to do the same trick |
| 20:04:37 | GodEater_ | Rori: it doesn't |
| 20:04:57 | GodEater_ | although you can tag them as such in iTunes |
| 20:05:04 | Rori | ah |
| 20:05:09 | GodEater_ | not that I ever found that made the slightest bit of difference |
| 20:05:10 | Rori | I'd rather tag |
| 20:05:15 | Rori | hmm |
| 20:05:46 | GodEater_ | anyway - I think that's more than enough talk about iTunes |
| 20:05:55 | Rori | Fraunhoffer we love you for the MP3 codec but ffs why didn't you include a gapless tagging feature? :P |
| 20:05:58 | amiconn | What the hell does itunes need to scan? |
| 20:06:10 | GodEater_ | every track in your database |
| 20:06:19 | GodEater_ | from beginning to end as far as I could make out |
| 20:06:35 | amiconn | Gapless playback just means that the playback engine doesn't add null samples between 2 adjacent tracks |
| 20:07:05 | Rori | I should 'upgrade' all my older MP3's anyhow |
| 20:07:16 | Rori | heh |
| 20:07:24 | Galois | upgrade to ogg YEAH |
| 20:07:32 | amiconn | Trimming the tracks is not gapless playback by definition, it's gap removal (or track mangling, as I would call it - brr) |
| 20:07:36 | Rori | too lazy to go ripping again (Yeah right) ;) |
| 20:08:02 | GodEater_ | amiconn: I don't believe it actually alters the tracks (although I could be wrong) |
| 20:08:11 | GodEater_ | I think it writes meta data to the iPod database |
| 20:08:18 | amiconn | So why does it need to scan them? |
| 20:08:21 | GodEater_ | to indicate where to stop playing one track, and when to play the next |
| 20:08:33 | amiconn | Hmm, and that takes 4 hours for just 6000 tracks? |
| 20:08:43 | GodEater_ | yes - it's not fantastic |
| 20:08:44 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 20:08:49 | GodEater_ | which is why I prefer rockbox |
| 20:08:52 | amiconn | Rockbox can do that within minutes - on an 11MHz CPU (!!) |
| 20:08:58 | GodEater_ | indeed ;) |
| 20:09:05 | docgnome | Hrm... I guess the only real solution would be to have a Linux virtual machine and mount the jukebox there and drag and drop the files into it |
| 20:09:14 | amiconn | add *even* where you see fit |
| 20:09:33 | GodEater_ | Steve Job's monkeys have a lot to learn from Rockbox |
| 20:09:54 | docgnome | which is better than having to throw everything on a pen drive and go downstairs to load it... but still annoying. |
| 20:10:02 | GodEater_ | I'm still dumbfounded by how long the apple firmware takes to boot |
| 20:10:11 | GodEater_ | it seems about 10x rockbox's loading speed |
| 20:10:21 | Rori | that's to load all the drm |
| 20:10:23 | Rori | heh |
| 20:10:25 | GodEater_ | 10x as long I mean |
| 20:11:00 | amiconn | I don't know whether the boot speed depends on whether the itunesdb is populated, but to mee the apple boot speed seems quite fast compared to the iriver OF (with its db enabled) |
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| 20:11:26 | Rori | do you think apple will ever add bluetooth to their players (Forgetting iPhone for now)? |
| 20:11:27 | Doomed | oh the irvier db load takes soooo long |
| 20:11:39 | GodEater_ | amiconn: ah yes - I remember that too |
| 20:12:03 | amiconn | I never used it for real myself (got my 2 irivers mainly for rockbox hacking) |
| 20:12:15 | GodEater_ | I can't actually recall the last time I ever used the OF on the iriver though |
| 20:12:25 | amiconn | With rockbox, the H140 (now H180) has become one of my main daps |
| 20:12:41 | Doomed | i used it for about a week and i couldnt read the titles cause they had a stupid graphic on the left side so, i remembered rockbox and put it on |
| 20:12:42 | GodEater_ | amiconn: it's what I use in the car |
| 20:12:48 | Rori | I have an H140 sitting on the side |
| 20:12:54 | Rori | you put an 80GB drive in? |
| 20:12:56 | Doomed | that was about when db was getting commited |
| 20:13:15 | amiconn | In car and at home. For when I need a small unit, I use the Ondio FM most of the time |
| 20:13:19 | GodEater_ | heh - I had my H140 before RB was ever ported to it |
| 20:13:21 | Doomed | or should i say tagcache |
| 20:13:29 | The-Compiler | Strange problem here: I've reformatted my ipod 5.5G with the mtools (because of the bug in mkfs.vfat), now I get these outputs: http://www.pastebin.ca/606167 But I can only copy 8GB of datas, then I get "no space left on device"... |
| 20:13:30 | GodEater_ | I followed LinusN's progress with it closely :) |
| 20:13:46 | Rori | I can't think of a use for the H140 these days. Too much of a brick |
| 20:13:53 | Doomed | i had it i ithink december 04? |
| 20:14:06 | GodEater_ | Rori: that's tragic - it's one of the best RB targets there is |
| 20:14:18 | * | amiconn agrees with GodEater |
| 20:14:32 | Doomed | i broke on of my h120 boards so i bought another h120 to just have cause i love it |
| 20:14:43 | amiconn | One big advantage of the H1x0 (and the archos recorder) is that they have s/pdif out |
| 20:14:53 | Doomed | i might install rockbox on the flash, amiconn whats that? |
| 20:14:58 | amiconn | I don't want to miss that |
| 20:15:16 | GodEater_ | Doomed: removes the iriver firmware forever ;) |
| 20:15:23 | GodEater_ | and makes booting super fast |
| 20:15:38 | Doomed | yeah i know i think i want it. i meant whats that as in s/pdif |
| 20:15:40 | Rori | perhaps I should sell the H140 to a person who may find it more usefull |
| 20:15:42 | GodEater_ | think you'll need the unreleased V7.0 bootloader though |
| 20:15:49 | GodEater_ | ah |
| 20:15:54 | GodEater_ | it's digital line out |
| 20:16:25 | Doomed | ah ok. oh Rori ill take the back of the H140 case off your hands haha |
| 20:16:29 | Rori | I even had iRiver fix the click |
| 20:16:43 | GodEater_ | Rori: if you truly don't want it - then how about donating it to a RB dev ? |
| 20:16:51 | Rori | heh |
| 20:17:03 | Rori | I'll think about it :) |
| 20:17:26 | GodEater_ | I suspect some of them would offer to pay for it too if you're not feeling that generous |
| 20:17:32 | Rori | I have loads of hardware I never sell. too lazy |
| 20:17:44 | pixelma | :| |
| 20:18:27 | Rori | got a 7600GT AGP card in a box. Hardly ever used. Should have ebayed it ages ago lol |
| 20:19:09 | Rori | and an XDA Mini palm mobile |
| 20:19:15 | Rori | and a SE P900 |
| 20:19:34 | Rori | unused and boxed |
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| 20:29:46 | Rori | anyhow later |
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| 20:31:35 | toyoyo | hello... |
| 20:31:53 | toyoyo | I need some help |
| 20:32:14 | toyoyo | instaiiling rockbox on my ipod video |
| 20:32:21 | toyoyo | anybody there? |
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| 20:34:29 | saratoga | toyoyo: just do what the manual says |
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| 20:39:32 | toyoyo | I tried doing that but I get an error |
| 20:40:17 | toyoyo | when I press"i" at the prompt for the ipodpatcher, |
| 20:40:35 | toyoyo | It says "Error reading from disk: The request could not be performed because of an I/O device error" |
| 20:40:40 | toyoyo | and exits |
| 20:41:28 | toyoyo | Any idea what to do? |
| 20:42:36 | amiconn | euh |
| 20:42:42 | * | amiconn summons Nico_P |
| 20:43:08 | * | amiconn pings markun again |
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| 20:44:14 | amiconn | toyoyo: What os are you running ipodpatcher on, and do you use the latest ipodpatcher? |
| 20:44:15 | toyoyo | Can someone help me? :( |
| 20:44:23 | toyoyo | Yeah |
| 20:44:31 | toyoyo | I'm running Windows XP Home |
| 20:44:44 | toyoyo | and yeah i'm running the latest ipodpatcher |
| 20:45:08 | amiconn | Note that you need administrative right in order to use ipodpatcher |
| 20:45:18 | toyoyo | Yup.. I have those |
| 20:46:06 | toyoyo | Would it be easier if I booted into linux and tried? |
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| 20:46:30 | amiconn | In theory it shouldn't matter |
| 20:46:51 | amiconn | linuxstb is the ipodpatcher expert (but isn't around atm) |
| 20:46:54 | toyoyo | I know.. but no matter what I try, it still shows the same error |
| 20:47:09 | toyoyo | Oh... |
| 20:47:49 | amiconn | Hmmm |
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| 20:49:15 | toyoyo | I even tried closing the iTunesHelper and ipodservice processes, in case they're preventing ipodpatcher from doing I/O |
| 20:49:50 | * | amiconn wonders whether XP home might be the problem, but doubts it |
| 20:50:02 | toyoyo | Hmm... |
| 20:50:53 | toyoyo | I knew XP Home wasn't the right choice but I had no choice :P |
| 20:51:22 | piroko | "XP" looks like someone sticking his tongue out in disgust |
| 20:51:23 | amiconn | Iirc there is an option in itunes which enables or disables direct disk access |
| 20:51:32 | amiconn | I can't tell for sure; never used itunes |
| 20:51:35 | piroko | Just "enable disk use" |
| 20:52:00 | toyoyo | Oh.. let me try |
| 20:53:43 | toyoyo | "Enable disk use" is checked all right |
| 20:54:44 | toyoyo | But still it says "Write failed" when I use ipodpatcher |
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| 21:00:45 | saratoga | can you add a text file or whatever toyour ipod's disk |
| 21:01:14 | toyoyo | yeah, sure |
| 21:02:06 | toyoyo | Hey, one thing... |
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| 21:02:43 | toyoyo | when I double click on the iPod icon in my computer... it shows some error that "copy.exe" was not found |
| 21:03:00 | toyoyo | and I have to right click and click on open to see the files |
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| 21:03:12 | toyoyo | Does this have anything to do with my problem? |
| 21:03:35 | saratoga | probably not |
| 21:03:56 | saratoga | assuming you can write arbitrary files to the ipod, i don't know why this wouldn't work |
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| 21:04:18 | saratoga | have you done anything funny to the ipod like restored it with a 3rd party tool or installed some other hack? |
| 21:04:35 | toyoyo | Nothing of thst sort |
| 21:04:55 | toyoyo | This is the first extra I ever tried to install |
| 21:05:40 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:05:42 | Robin0800 | Soap,Why is the Ipod running at 78 mhz? |
| 21:06:06 | Soap | I'm an odd person to ask |
| 21:06:34 | petur | heh |
| 21:07:05 | Soap | SVN r 13767 |
| 21:07:19 | toyoyo | Just so you know.. I was able to copy the .rockbox folder to the iPod root folder without any problems |
| 21:07:20 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html |
| 21:07:27 | Soap | 3rd of July @ 00:42 |
| 21:07:29 | Robin0800 | Soap,according to this forum Topic: playback crashes on 5g (60GB) ipod it makes it crash |
| 21:07:41 | Soap | whoa |
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| 21:07:54 | Soap | I just read that forum thread 30 seconds ago. |
| 21:08:24 | Soap | Nowhere in that thread is proof that the commit which changed clock scaling also is the cause of 5th gen crashes. |
| 21:08:44 | toyoyo | Guess I have to try it out on Linux then |
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| 21:09:30 | Robin0800 | Soap,I can confirm it crashes Ive been trying to find out why for two days! |
| 21:09:38 | desowin | obo: congrats on getting commit access! |
| 21:09:48 | Soap | well, test with 13767 and 13766 |
| 21:10:05 | Soap | if 13767 crashes and 13766 it would be nice to know. |
| 21:10:06 | obo | desowin: thanks :) |
| 21:10:20 | Soap | *and 13766 doesn't |
| 21:11:12 | Robin0800 | Soap,my ipod has never crashed in abut the last six months I think it must be this |
| 21:11:20 | Febs | Soap, it crashes with r13764. |
| 21:11:33 | Soap | Robin0800: see |
| 21:11:37 | Febs | Though crashes with r13767 seem to be more frequent. |
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| 21:13:33 | AceNik_ | hey guys i broke my headphones pin , i opened it to solder it also , i have lesser volume in one side now , can you please help |
| 21:13:37 | Soap | ok, Robin0800, then test 13763 vs 13762 |
| 21:14:03 | Soap | (though I am behind in my log reading - has 13763 already been confirmed as the source of the crashes?) |
| 21:14:39 | Robin0800 | Soap,Can you get older builds on svn |
| 21:16:26 | bluebrother | Robin0800: svn co -r <revisionnumber> |
| 21:16:47 | Febs | Soap, I have not been able to replicate the crashes on r13661, but I have on r13764. It seems unlikely that the changes to reversi cause the problem, so r13763 seems to be the likely culprit. |
| 21:17:49 | Soap | ipod video Robin0800 ? |
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| 21:18:20 | Robin0800 | Soap,yes 60gb |
| 21:18:39 | Soap | you be around in a bit? |
| 21:19:04 | amiconn | I wonder why it *only* crashes on the video, and not on any other PP5022 target (nano or mini G2) |
| 21:19:22 | amiconn | Are crashes reported for G5 32MB models? |
| 21:19:44 | Soap | video is 5021 treated as 5020 |
| 21:19:59 | Robin0800 | amiconn,perhaps its the extra 3mhz |
| 21:19:59 | Soap | so is nano IIRC |
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| 21:20:12 | piroko | It's ironic that a fix to stabilize the older generation ipods breaks other ones :P |
| 21:20:16 | Soap | Robin0800: crashes start _before_ that commit. |
| 21:20:24 | amiconn | No, video and nano are labeled 5021 but report as 5022 to software and are handled as such |
| 21:21:22 | amiconn | The OF does exactly the same, I disassembled video, mini and color/photo firmware and compared the clock switching routines |
| 21:21:49 | amiconn | And I'm quite sure it's not the extra 3MHz. The 5022 is specced up to 100MHz |
| 21:22:21 | Robin0800 | Soap,It was either tuesday or wednesday night watever builds those were? |
| 21:22:45 | Soap | <Febs> Soap, it crashes with r13764. |
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| 21:23:11 | Soap | which is prior to the max frequency change, but post amiconn's first PP rework. |
| 21:23:28 | amiconn | The video firmware checks for 3 PP types in that routine though: PP5020, 5022 and 5026 (!) |
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| 21:23:42 | amiconn | hmm |
| 21:24:17 | amiconn | Febs: What PP version is reported for your G5 in the debug menu? |
| 21:25:06 | Febs | PP5022C |
| 21:25:14 | amiconn | hmm |
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| 21:28:58 | crop | If I copy/move/etc files in USB mode, how are the ops made? Via the RB's fat driver or through the host PC's one? |
| 21:29:10 | Soap | is there any point in me changing config-ipodvideo.h back to "5020" from "5022" and seeing if the crashing is still there? |
| 21:29:45 | amiconn | no |
| 21:30:09 | amiconn | The 5020 and 5022 *do* differ in how clock setup is done |
| 21:30:17 | amiconn | ANd the 5020 handling was also changed |
| 21:30:18 | bluebrother | crop: usb mode is handled in hardware |
| 21:30:24 | amiconn | ...to make it not crash anymore |
| 21:30:36 | bluebrother | except for the PP targets, which use apples disk mode |
| 21:30:46 | Robin0800 | Soap,the debug h/w sayes 76 Mhz clock cpu and audio thead say 78Mhz |
| 21:30:57 | bluebrother | so, for usb there is no part of Rockbox involved. Rockbox only enables usb mode. |
| 21:31:09 | amiconn | The HW info one is an estimation (hence "est.") |
| 21:31:31 | amiconn | This was added by me to verify whether the setup is correct |
| 21:31:37 | crop | bluebrother: could you elaborate? Who's moving bytes and bits on the HD then? I.e. was the recent fix by petur relevant if I only managed files in USB mode? |
| 21:32:05 | bluebrother | crop: well, most players have a dedicated usb-ata brigde chip |
| 21:32:11 | crop | bluebrother: ah, you type rather fast! :-) |
| 21:32:42 | bluebrother | if Rockbox detects a usb connection it enables this chip. As only one device can access the disk Rockbox can't access the disk that time |
| 21:32:49 | petur | we do not have a software usb stack yet, so our fat code is never involved during usb |
| 21:33:17 | bluebrother | and for PP targets it's quite similar, the major difference is that it's apples code that does usb |
| 21:33:36 | bluebrother | besides, if the devices comes up as external hard disk on the pc, the pc will do the filesystem handling |
| 21:33:48 | bluebrother | as an external hard disk is ... just a disk ;-) |
| 21:33:49 | amiconn | And it won't even be involved if we have an usb stack one day |
| 21:33:59 | crop | petur: my HD is still sane then :-) |
| 21:34:19 | amiconn | usb msd works at the block level, it's always the PC filesystem which is responsible for messing up ;) |
| 21:34:32 | Soap | amiconn: I wasn't trying to second-guess your decision to treat the 5021 as a 5022. |
| 21:34:34 | petur | yup |
| 21:35:00 | amiconn | Soap: It's not my decision... the 5021 is actually a 5022 |
| 21:35:18 | amiconn | Either it's only a marketing thing, or it's somewhat reduced in specs |
| 21:35:19 | petur | indeed out fat code will never be involved... silly me |
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| 21:35:35 | amiconn | But certainly not below the 5020 specs |
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| 21:36:24 | Soap | the crashes appear to start after rockbox started treating the 5021 as a 5022. |
| 21:36:58 | Soap | (and everything else which got changed @ that time) |
| 21:37:38 | amiconn | 5020 and 5022 are treated exactly the same everywhere in rockbox, except for clock setup |
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| 21:49:20 | Robin0800 | Soap,looking at the change logs it looks like the 2nd and 3rd of july are where the problems started |
| 21:50:39 | Soap | aye, day is known, and specific commit is strongly suspected. |
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| 21:53:26 | amiconn | Ha! |
| 21:53:33 | amiconn | Seems I found something... |
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| 21:59:18 | petur | ... very long drumroll ... |
| 21:59:25 | amiconn | ? |
| 21:59:39 | XavierGr | amiconn: we are waiting for your discovery :P |
| 21:59:55 | Bagder | yes, and we're turning blue now from holding our breath |
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| 22:00:01 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 22:00:53 | amiconn | The G5 OF does handle the PP5022 a little different than the mini firmweare |
| 22:01:20 | amiconn | There's a small udelay() *before* checking the 'pll locked' bit |
| 22:01:33 | * | amiconn will make a new patch to test |
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| 22:02:49 | amiconn | Hmm, in fact no need to make a full blown patch |
| 22:02:58 | amiconn | Febs, obo: around? |
| 22:03:08 | Febs | Yes. |
| 22:03:38 | amiconn | I have a new thing to test: First revert system-pp502x.c to current svn |
| 22:04:15 | amiconn | Then add a new line 192 (before the while(...) line), just: |
| 22:04:19 | amiconn | udelay(255); |
| 22:07:44 | Febs | Where is that file located? |
| 22:07:54 | amiconn | firmware/target/arm |
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| 22:09:43 | Febs | Compiling now ... |
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| 22:16:59 | Febs | OK, it's running now. I'll let you know of any issues. |
| 22:18:28 | Robin0800 | Febs,what target are you running it on? |
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| 22:18:56 | Soap | Robin0800: what behavior leads to crashes? |
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| 22:21:52 | Febs | Robin0800: iPod Video 60 GB. |
| 22:22:06 | Robin0800 | Soap,during normal playback with shuffle on half hour commute any time 5 mins to 25 mins |
| 22:22:17 | Soap | ok |
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| 22:41:46 | datsit40ther1 | No creative Zen support? Seems not from what I have read. My goal as a 52 year old is to have a larger font on my zen v plus. I also use an iriver h10 which I see IS supported. I will have to check out the h10 stuff and come back here later. |
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| 22:43:27 | pondlife | Don't suppose anyone knows any more than the IRC log about Nico_P's memmove() problem? |
| 22:43:59 | acb5649 | Can anybody please tell me what kind of harddrive i could use with my H10? |
| 22:44:36 | pondlife | acb5649: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement might help... |
| 22:44:47 | pondlife | or it might not... :) |
| 22:45:28 | * | ender` yawns |
| 22:45:33 | * | acb5649 waits for the H10 radio to work with RockboX. |
| 22:45:51 | pondlife | Why wait when you could be doing it..? |
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| 22:49:20 | acb5649 | I would not know how to code. I am waiting for the head of the H10 port to give me more info. |
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| 22:56:35 | * | amiconn wonders whether there are different revisions of the PP5022C |
| 22:56:56 | pondlife | Have you found any way to make it spew out an ID string? |
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| 22:58:25 | pondlife | Hmm, a build should have been triggered by now... |
| 22:59:14 | PaulJam | heh, i just wanted to ask if something is wrong with the buildserver. |
| 22:59:28 | Bagder | pondlife: ah, that reminds me... |
| 22:59:33 | pondlife | It's gone to the pub along with most of us... |
| 22:59:47 | pondlife | Bagder: ..? |
| 22:59:55 | Bagder | there's a little prob |
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| 23:00:06 | Bagder | with multiple scripts doing 'svn up' |
| 23:00:18 | Bagder | so the build mater sometimes doesn't "catch" the change |
| 23:00:20 | Bagder | master |
| 23:01:28 | pondlife | Shall I commit something silly (a comment change?) to give it another chance? |
| 23:01:37 | Bagder | nah, I poke it manually now |
| 23:01:46 | Bagder | and I think I fixed the actual problem too |
| 23:01:52 | pondlife | Bonus! |
| 23:02:25 | pondlife | I noticed the diff script on the builds page quite often gets the revision numbers wrong: e.g. http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20070706T210126Z.html |
| 23:02:29 | pondlife | Is that related? |
| 23:02:43 | saratoga | anyone know why i'm suddenly getting hundreds of "signedness" warnings in arm-elf-gcc? |
| 23:02:48 | pondlife | Or is that just due to the manual poking? |
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| 23:02:58 | saratoga | so far i just ignore them, but its a little odd that it started happening so suddenly |
| 23:03:01 | Bagder | in this case it is due to the manual way to provoke a rebuild |
| 23:03:13 | pondlife | saratoga: In the WMA codec only, or everywhere? |
| 23:03:18 | saratoga | everywhere |
| 23:03:52 | Bagder | saratoga: no new -W options? |
| 23:04:13 | amiconn | saratoga: sim build? |
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| 23:04:30 | amiconn | Ah no, you said arm-elf-gcc |
| 23:05:13 | amiconn | Try reconfiguring anyway, especially if you might have changed the target Makefile manually |
| 23:05:28 | amiconn | Perhaps some -W options were lost by accident |
| 23:05:30 | saratoga | i haven't changed anything |
| 23:05:37 | saratoga | i get it even with SVN builds |
| 23:05:41 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:05:44 | amiconn | hmm |
| 23:05:48 | saratoga | and for all targets I've tried to build |
| 23:05:57 | amiconn | Did you update your arm-elf-gcc? |
| 23:05:58 | pondlife | arm-elf-gcc version? |
| 23:06:00 | saratoga | gcc 4.0.3 if it matters |
| 23:06:11 | amiconn | That's the recommended one... odd... |
| 23:06:32 | saratoga | would updating be an option? |
| 23:06:47 | amiconn | nah |
| 23:07:05 | amiconn | 4.1.x is know to produce unstable rockbox binaries for arm |
| 23:07:09 | amiconn | *known |
| 23:07:11 | saratoga | ah ok |
| 23:07:16 | saratoga | well its not a big deal |
| 23:07:21 | saratoga | i can just ignore it |
| 23:07:27 | pondlife | saratoga: Not that it'd cause signedness warnings, but do you have "rockbox patch #1" on 4.0.3? |
| 23:07:45 | saratoga | pondlife: i used the install script, so i have whatever it has |
| 23:07:52 | amiconn | rockbox patch #1 only matters for SH1 |
| 23:07:59 | saratoga | Centos linux (redhat clone) |
| 23:14:15 | Soap | amiconn: 30 minutes with the addition of the udelay on my Nano and no crashes yet. |
| 23:14:35 | amiconn | Soap: Did the nano also crash with current svn? |
| 23:14:56 | amiconn | This would be the first report for nano.... |
| 23:15:22 | Soap | I hadn't seen any reports, but A:it's the same processor as the Video is it not? B:Febs is testing on the video so I thought best to try different. |
| 23:15:33 | amiconn | hm. |
| 23:15:51 | Soap | C:perhaps the test isn't that valuable. :() |
| 23:15:55 | amiconn | I didn't manage to crash the G5.5/80 with svn, for hours |
| 23:16:19 | amiconn | So it's certainly not all of them, that's why I think there might be several revisions of the cpu |
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| 23:17:46 | Soap | revisions we'd be able to detect? |
| 23:18:15 | amiconn | not afaik |
| 23:18:38 | pondlife | The OF must have to cope with any differences. |
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| 23:18:55 | pondlife | Or could there be multiple OFs too? Sounds unlikely. |
| 23:19:09 | amiconn | It looks like the OF just plays safe here |
| 23:19:13 | Soap | Robin0800: are you still here? |
| 23:19:14 | saratoga | would it be poor form to have the guts of a codec call pcmbuf_insert() directly? |
| 23:19:22 | pondlife | saratoga: Yes |
| 23:19:26 | saratoga | i'm kind of tempted to kill the output buffer |
| 23:19:47 | amiconn | Some revisions of the PP5022 might not reset the PLL_LOCKED bit fast enough, so the OF waits a bit, and *then* starts checking the bit |
| 23:20:16 | amiconn | The PP5022B doesn't seem to suffer from this problem, because the ipod mini (g1/g2) firmware doesn't do this |
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| 23:22:02 | Robin0800 | Soap,still here just! |
| 23:22:06 | saratoga | so i should build up an output buffer and then submit it to pcmbuf_insert() all at once? |
| 23:22:40 | pondlife | Wooh, small memory corruption problem spotted...? |
| 23:23:57 | Soap | Robin0800: do you want a video build with amicon's "proposed" fix? Seeing as you were having problems, perhaps you should try the fix. |
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| 23:24:54 | amiconn | saratoga: There are some float tables in wmadata.h. Are these used at all? |
| 23:25:18 | Febs | amiconn: 1 hour plus and still running. |
| 23:25:26 | amiconn | Also, is this style (actual data defined in .h file) a legacy from ffmpeg? |
| 23:25:35 | pondlife | struct mp3entry defines path of size MAX_PATH. We then memcpy MAX_PATH+1 bytes from it... not quite right. |
| 23:25:41 | Febs | Though my battery is down to 30%. |
| 23:25:51 | saratoga | amiconn: which tables? |
| 23:25:56 | amiconn | Febs: Just connect the charger... |
| 23:26:12 | S1gn | can I view non english texts in built-in text viewer in rockbox? no success so far |
| 23:26:14 | amiconn | saratoga: lsp_codebook |
| 23:26:14 | * | Febs tries to remember if he started from a full battery. |
| 23:26:28 | saratoga | amiconn: the file is from ffmpeg |
| 23:26:51 | saratoga | lsp_codebook isn't used yet |
| 23:26:57 | saratoga | it will be once I get LSP working |
| 23:26:57 | Soap | Febs: my battery isn't dropping fast, as best I can tell |
| 23:27:07 | amiconn | What's lsp? |
| 23:27:14 | saratoga | line spectral pairs |
| 23:27:22 | saratoga | its a low bitrate thing used by Ogg and WMA |
| 23:27:27 | saratoga | i don't understand how it works yet |
| 23:27:38 | saratoga | but the encoder switches it on at 24kbps |
| 23:28:09 | * | amiconn is reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_spectral_pairs |
| 23:28:20 | Febs | Soap: it may be my battery. I installed a replacement last week and I'm not yet sure that it is any good. I also can't say for certain that I started this test with a full battery. |
| 23:28:28 | saratoga | i need to sit down with a DSP text and learn what the heck they do |
| 23:28:48 | pondlife | amiconn: Shouldn't pathname variables be stored in char[MAX_PATH+1]? I think so, but I fear for the binary size a little. |
| 23:28:49 | PaulJam | S1gn: the text viewer has its own codepage setting, mybe that is your problem? |
| 23:29:24 | pondlife | Ah no - actually it should be MAX_PATH everywhere by the look of it. |
| 23:30:09 | S1gn | PaulJam: probably.. but how do I set codepage in viewer ? |
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| 23:30:54 | PaulJam | S1gn: look in the rockbox manual for your device how to access the menu of the textviewer. |
| 23:36:48 | S1gn | PaulJam: no word in manual about codepage in viewer :-/ |
| 23:37:15 | S1gn | only word wrap, scrollbar and stuff like that |
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| 23:38:41 | PaulJam | ah, looks like the manual isn't quite up to date. what player do you have? |
| 23:39:52 | S1gn | SanDisk Sansa e200 (but now use uisimulator on linux box) |
| 23:41:14 | S1gn | oh wait... i pressed "select" and there is something interesting there |
| 23:41:39 | S1gn | oh yes! it worked ) |
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| 23:51:17 | Robin0800 | Soap,no not realy unless you can post it as a patch or diff file |
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| 23:51:30 | Soap | ? |
| 23:51:34 | Soap | it's one line |
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| 23:51:42 | Soap | I was going to offer you the build |
| 23:54:14 | Robin0800 | Soap,very kind of you but I would also like to add patches |
| 23:55:29 | PaulJam | if you test stability you schouldnt use other patches |
| 23:55:40 | Soap | 1 hour and 50 minutes ago ami con said in this channel the line which needs added and where |
| 23:55:53 | * | bluebrother thinks when hunting bugs no additional patches make sense at all |
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| 23:56:58 | Soap | so were your complaints in the forums about a stock build or a custom one? |
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