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#rockbox log for 2007-07-11

00:00:01Hilikusgreat, it makes sense
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00:00:13peturlinuxstb: ?
00:00:25linuxstbOr am I talking nonsense?
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00:00:57Hilikuswell if do some correction or interpolation or something i guess the more data you have the better
00:01:11linuxstbI'm thinking mainly from experience of video encoding - a high quality picture will encode easier than a low quality (i.e. lots of noise) one.
00:01:45peturI think the freq range and response of the internal mic isn't very good, so why waste bits on it?
00:02:25Hilikusdidnt you say to use the highest bitrate?
00:02:32peturlinuxstb: I think here we'll have lack of details
00:02:56linuxstbI just think that if the quality is poor to start with, then you don't want to do anything else to make it worse. But I should probably just stop talking...
00:03:02amiconnlinuxstb: Three sounds definitely wrong. Should be one.
00:03:10amiconnHow many do you get in the browser?
00:03:15linuxstbJust the one.
00:03:39peturHilikus: maybe try it at home... try between 192 and 320
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00:04:39peturor, as I said, if it's going to be loud, go for wav anyway
00:04:59peturI would only take mp3 to have less spinups
00:06:16Hilikusgreat great
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00:06:32Hilikusim off, thanks a lot for the help guys
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00:07:49Hilikusgotta love rb
00:07:55Hilikussee ya
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00:08:44saratoga2good quality video compressed better because of very good/long spatial correlation lengths
00:08:52saratoga2imo not really analogous to audio
00:09:20saratoga2since audio has no spatial extent
00:09:37saratoga2(ignoring stereo anyway)
00:09:53DerPapstthe button configuration for root/playlist on ipod is wired.
00:10:21DerPapstif i enter it and don't do anything but wat to leave it again clicking menu is enough
00:11:16DerPapstbut if i enter view playlist and want to leave the playlist menu pressing menu doesn't quit it..
00:12:01DerPapsti have to press << at least 2 times...
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00:15:27DerPapstis ACTION_STD_CANCEL mapped to << and ACTION_STD_MENU mapped to menu on iPods?
00:15:33linuxstb;) The function doing all these updates is called gui_list_draw_smart() ...
00:15:56DerPapstnot the smartest way :P
00:16:25linuxstbAlthough I'm guessing it's just being called multiple times from the menus.
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00:20:03amiconnlinuxstb: But then there are actually 2 problems
00:20:27amiconn(1) the menu code calling gui_list_draw_smart() more often than necessary
00:20:53amiconn(2) gui_list_draw_smart() not being smart enough to notice that the list position & highlight didn't change at all
00:21:11*amiconn wonders what Slasheri did there
00:22:30stripwaxso. which pub?
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00:32:34linuxstbamiconn: I'm not sure what gui_list_draw_smart() should be doing, but the problem seems to be an extra call to gui_synclist_draw() in the main menu loop. This is called twice - once on button press and once on button release, and there is no obvious need for either call - the list is updated by yet another function - gui_synclist_do_button() which processes the action.
00:33:11linuxstbThe only time I can think the extra update is needed is when playback stops - meaning the menu item changes from Now Playing to Resume Playback.
00:33:51*linuxstb wonders if JdGordon knows what's going on and could fix it.
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00:40:01conorkirkpatric1DerPapst: Jtx and dan were talking about you in #openplay :P
00:40:16linuxstbstripwax: Are you planning on attending DevConPub/
00:40:41stripwaxwould like to if that's ok
00:40:49conorkirkpatric1The channel topic was: "Keep it clean or DerPapst gets it!"
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00:40:57stripwaxnot sure how I'd help or anything but I like beer
00:41:00linuxstbstripwax: Of course - the more the merrier.
00:41:12DerPapstconorkirkpatric1: heh
00:41:22linuxstbstripwax: My intention is beer with the distraction of a little rockbox chat.
00:41:28stripwaxsounds ok :)
00:41:58DerPapstnow peturs highlightning thinky is flashing...
00:42:06peturindeed :)
00:42:16linuxstbThe Eurostar is a wonderful thing...
00:42:23petursorry I can't be there too
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00:53:30*amiconn found the same magic constant related to PP5002 clock setup that appears on the PP5020...
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00:54:11amiconnHrmm, dan_a is gone :|
00:54:51DerPapstif you need someone for testing i can probably help out.
00:55:12DerPapstbut maybe not in the next 9 hours ;)
00:56:06DerPapstand i don't have my build enviorment here -.-
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00:56:48DerPapstbtw.. is your linux build image available somewhere?
00:57:23DerPapsti don't have enough space to install cygwin on my laptop.
00:58:28amiconnThen you won't be able to use vmware either
00:59:19amiconnThe image uses almost 1GB after unzipping, and may grow to a maximum of ~4.7GB
01:00:10linuxstbHmm, does anyone else get a segfault in the sim when stopping playback? (I'm using an ipod sim)
01:01:43DerPapstamiconn: i thought you have it down to ~150MB
01:02:00amiconnThat is compressed size for transfer...
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01:03:07DerPapstah.. ok ;)
01:03:34DerPapstanyways.. is it available anywhere?
01:03:42amiconnThis 0xd19b magic is really interesting...
01:03:57DerPapstmaybe i could use it on a portable hdd
01:04:39amiconnMrH wrote that the H10 firmware (PP5020) sets it _once_ when the clock is set above 66MHz.... and the PP5002 is locked to <= 66MHz in rockbox... and we don't set the magic (yet)
01:04:56amiconnThis 66MHz can't be a coincidence...
01:05:14amiconnHmm, perhaps you could indeed try sth on your G3
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01:07:48DerPapstbut you have to give me a compiled build.. i think the *ipod binary will be enough
01:07:58DerPapstthe rest is pretty much up to date
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01:12:58amiconnInstall this, go to debug menu, go to 'View I/O ports, and check estimated clock. Should be ~30000kHz
01:13:59amiconnThen back out once, go to CPU frequency, bump the boost counter to 1 or more, go back, go to View I/O Ports again, and check the estimated clock
01:14:22amiconnI *hope* it will be ~78000kHz, not ~66000kHz
01:18:08DerPapstunboosted is ~30000kHz.
01:18:22DerPapstbut i'm too stupid to bumb the boost counter
01:18:23amiconnOkay, as it should
01:18:36amiconnYOu need to turn the wheel left in order to boost
01:18:51amiconn(highly illogical, I know...)
01:18:55*linuxstb has never understood how/why that changed, but expect actions are to blame...
01:18:55DerPapstah thanks :)
01:19:00amiconnTook me a while to figure out as well
01:19:22DerPapstis ~78000kHz
01:19:27amiconnlinuxstb: Action code... JdGordon
01:19:32amiconnDerPapst: Wow! :)
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01:19:41*DerPapst has to talk to him as well :P
01:20:11amiconnDerPapst: Just to make sure, you could repeat this test with latest svn
01:20:37stripwaxhm, plugging in usb while running test_codec causes prefetch abort at deadbeee.
01:20:44DerPapstmy ipod binary was before your pp502X fixes... stii do it?
01:21:17amiconnLatest svn...
01:21:29amiconnThe older ones don't even have clock estimation
01:21:42DerPapstodd.. the buttons don't react... backlight goes on but i can't quit View I/O Ports.
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01:21:52DerPapstthen you have to compile it for me (sorry)
01:21:59stripwaxhm, and menu+play to reboot while usb is plugged in causes ipod to not be recognised by PC , and causes rockbox to lockup (although backlight still comes on when wheel is touched..)
01:22:05amiconnEr, download it from the site?
01:22:12pixelmawhy not download it from
01:22:23amiconnDerPapst: Only Menu will leave View I/O ports
01:22:28*DerPapst forgot about that
01:22:48DerPapstnope. nothing happens :-/
01:22:52amiconnIt's on purpose that only one button leaves that screen
01:23:04amiconnHmm, lemme check, perhaps 3G is different
01:23:16linuxstbHmm, seems this was the commit that caused the multiple lcd_updates in the menu code -
01:23:53pixelma13337 ;)
01:24:47amiconnShould be MENU (only at release), hmmmmm
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01:25:51DerPapstsomehow it didn't react.
01:26:01*DerPapst tries svn in a few secs
01:29:35DerPapstunboosted 30MHz and menu button not working in this screen...
01:29:39DerPapsti don't get it..
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01:30:29DerPapstinfact.. the only button that does anything is the hold switch
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01:30:59amiconnHmm, dan_a said there are instabilities with clock scaling on G3
01:31:15DerPapstbut why only in this screen?
01:31:17amiconnI hope to be able to solve them as well, but that needs further code analysis
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01:32:25DerPapstmaybe a hardware failure.. i can't reset the iPod.
01:32:28amiconnPerhaps it has nothing to do with clock scaling, bt with how the clock estimation works
01:32:44amiconnThat's bad...
01:33:30DerPapstdamn :-(
01:33:46amiconnPerhaps it's on hold (/me always forgets about hold :( )
01:33:57DerPapstmy other 3G is in dresden...
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01:34:28DerPapstred mens hold on right?
01:34:33*DerPapst slaps forehead
01:35:02DerPapstsvn boosted is 66MHz
01:35:21DerPapstbut menu button still doesn't work in there.
01:35:24*amiconn will commit immediately
01:35:35DerPapstworks on all other menus though
01:35:40amiconnYes, it might lose button interrupts because of the clock estimation
01:35:56DerPapstheh funny
01:36:10DerPapstall other bouutns work (aka backlight goes on)
01:36:10amiconnNot sure whether that's the problem though
01:36:26amiconnAnd mmenu?
01:36:39DerPapstnopethe only one that doesn't do anything
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01:38:22DerPapstthe menu button doesn't work at all o.O
01:38:29amiconnNot even light up the backlight?
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01:38:54amiconnHow do you enter the menu then...
01:39:02*DerPapst is testing in the OF to make sure the button is ok
01:39:04conorkirkpatrickDoes anybody know how to put a 5G iPod to sleep from within rockbox? I used to be able to, but now I can't.
01:39:54DerPapstamiconn: with the center button. the problem is i can't leave it then ;)
01:40:09amiconnNo, I mean the main menu
01:40:22DerPapst- <
01:40:30amiconnOh yes of course
01:40:36*amiconn slaps forehead
01:40:43*amiconn hopes forehead won't show up ;)
01:40:50DerPapstpoor forehead... ;)
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01:41:28DerPapstseems like my menu button is busted.
01:41:40DerPapsti've relaced the mobo already once
01:41:55DerPapstbecause of a broken firewire controller
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01:42:06conorkirkpatrickDerPapst: I feel for ya man
01:42:08daniel_was_hereits alright DerPapst... it`ll get better.
01:42:16daniel_was_hereTake it one day at a time..
01:42:58DerPapstor mayve it's just the button pcb...
01:43:11daniel_was_hereNo its broken... =)
01:43:30DerPapstpressing it longer and harder than usually fires an event...
01:43:39conorkirkpatrickDerPapst: Jtxdriggers wants to say: "I send my sympathies to derpapst from osgc :("
01:44:13conorkirkpatrickWe can help you pull through this
01:44:34conorkirkpatrickon a lighter note: Does anybody know why holding play from within rockbox doesn't put my iPod to sleep like it used to?
01:44:48*DerPapst wonders if it is possible to exchange the button pbc on a 3G iPod or if they are glued.
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01:45:05linuxstbconorkirkpatrick: Are you using a custom build?
01:45:22conorkirkpatricklinuxstb: just the daily build from
01:45:23DerPapstworks fine here
01:45:54conorkirkpatrickI was being a n00b and thought it did it in 3 seconds :D
01:45:59conorkirkpatrickIt works now :)
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01:46:39DerPapstlol @ last commit message :D
01:47:00DerPapstmy ipod is strange..
01:47:28DerPapstnow menu works again as there was never anything wrong with it :$
01:48:27linuxstbNow sell it...
01:48:36DerPapstheh no
01:48:48DerPapsti could sell my other semibroken 3G iPod
01:48:49*amiconn does the 78MHz dance
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01:49:27DerPapst-e ?
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01:50:25linuxstbWas IPL setting that magic value for the 3G?
01:52:15amiconnThe PP5020 has the same magic value, but maybe the apple loader sets it already
01:52:28amiconnPP5022 and up don't have it
01:53:35conorkirkpatrickTrust me, the magic value *is* 20 million
01:55:39*pixelma thinks amiconn and DerPapst seem to moving quite fast :P
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02:03:27DerPapsthehe ;)
02:04:20alienbiker99im asian i can answer anything
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02:06:47alienbiker99ok were leaving
02:06:58daniel_was_here.... i thought i was random.
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02:07:48DerPapstalienbiker99: how do i install rockbox on my zune?
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02:10:36Soul-SlayerZune? Forget that, how do I install rockbox on my calculator?
02:12:02TiMiD[FD]good morning
02:14:05*amiconn goes zo sleep
02:14:12amiconn*to even
02:15:29DerPapstgood night
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02:32:34iambeni can't find where in the docs it talks about the radio feature (i have a sansa e200), can anyone point me in the right direction?
02:34:20saratogaiamben: radio was just recently added, might want to check on file spray or perhaps the mailing list
02:34:45iambenah ok, thanks
02:35:11iambeni dont know which features are new, since i just started yesterday... seems sansa support in general is somewhat new though
02:35:13linuxstbIt's not mentioned in the manual?
02:35:57iambennot that i can see... i didnt read it front to back in order, but i think ive been through all the sections now
02:36:57Davide-NYCLlorean: I'm back. What I meant earlier about recording directories and CFG files is this:
02:37:15linuxstbLooks like it's missing. You could read the manual for another device to see what _should_ be working on the Sansa. e.g.
02:37:26linuxstb(the buttons will be different, but the functionality should be the same)
02:37:30Davide-NYCI would like to have recordings made with different inputs stored in different directories
02:37:49Davide-NYCMic input to Dir1, line input to Dir2, etc
02:38:03Davide-NYCis this possible via config file?
02:38:03iambenlinuxstb: that helps, thanks
02:38:32linuxstbI'm guessing Llorean was suggesting you create .cfg file with both the recording directory and input in it. So loading that .cfg file will change both settings.
02:38:49iambendo the devs need/accept submissions for the manual? i could probably whip up a sansa-tailored version of this radio section pretty quick
02:39:10linuxstbYes, more people helping with the documentation is always welcome.
02:39:18DerPapstGood night everyone
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02:49:39pixelmaiamben: would be nice, I just think the radio chapter would need an overhaul in general (the structure), for example I don't like the way it's repeating "go to x" in several places and imo it's missing some sort of general overview- I started that once but stopped again because I had no idea what would be best to start with :\
02:50:33Davide-NYCJdGordon: hello, I have a question about the recording directory patch
02:51:11Davide-NYCcan I send different input recordings to different directories now?
02:52:02JdGordonyes and no
02:52:26JdGordoncreate multiple .cfgs with the different difrectories and load it before you start
02:54:28Davide-NYCis htere documentation fo rthis? I've never dealt with cfg files
02:54:45Davide-NYC(sorry about the spelling... happy hour)
02:56:47JdGordonsetup the recording settings the way you want them for one input, then in the rec settings save te config (there is an option there), then fix the settings for the other input and save it as a different file
02:57:36JdGordonthen before recording, go into the rec settings and go "browse cfg files" and load the one you want
02:57:38Davide-NYCCan I configure the input and encoder settings in the cfg file? Or just the directory
02:58:00JdGordonall rec setting are saved int he cfg
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02:58:18JdGordonand only the rec settings if you use the write cfg from the rec menui
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03:00:16JdGordon... occaioannly I'm allowd to commit usefull patches...
03:00:33Davide-NYCdo you need H1x0 testing
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03:01:09JdGordonit was tested on the sansa and ondioFM which are the ones that would give it the most problems... so it should work fine
03:01:43Davide-NYCI'll report back if something is awry.
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03:07:06JdGordonlinuxstb: just reading the logs... I never realised gui_synclist_do_button did a redraw!
03:07:16*JdGordon has a few lists to fix I think
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03:44:45midkayJdGordon: hmm, it may be just a placebo effect, but it seems like (as i hoped/expected) your menu redraw changes speed up menu scrolling. :) this is indeed true, i hope?
03:44:55JdGordonit should
03:45:01JdGordon1/3 the screen updates
03:45:03midkayespecially the root menu, which has always been way slower to scroll in than some other lists.
03:45:54JdGordonaccording to the logs linuxstb rekons it was doing 3 full screen updates each move instead of the smart rect update, so should be much faster
03:46:18JdGordonill reneable cpu scaling on the sansa and see if its still unsable at the low speed
03:46:41midkayah - but wait - the smart rect update isn't in SVN, is it? i'm quite sure it isn't.. if you mean simply updating the two lines that are affected each scroll event.
03:47:07JdGordonit is
03:47:20JdGordonSlasheri did that ages ago
03:47:33JdGordongui_draw_smart (or whatever its called)
03:48:43midkaywow, i'm surprised... i remember earhertz made a patch for this ages ago and it really sped up scrolling for me.. i don't ever remember seeing that go into svn or feeling such a large jump in scrolling speed.
03:49:18JdGordonthe diffenbach guy did a similar one also which never made it into svn also...
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03:50:05midkayyeah, thomas p. diffenbach (= earhertz, or whatever he's known by now)
03:50:12JdGordonoh ok
03:51:04JdGordon:) sansa is much more usable with low cpu now
03:51:11midkaycool :)
03:51:23midkaythat smart-rect update must have gone in before august 1, 2006?
03:51:30midkay*loads the unbelievably long since-2.5 changelog*
03:51:43JdGordonfaster way...
03:52:15midkayah, through list.c or something?
03:52:33JdGordonr 12721
03:53:23*JdGordon wants to add an icon for cpu boost to the statusbar
03:53:34midkayframe dropping and cpu boosting? that doesn't sound like it...
03:53:57midkaymaybe he didn't mention it in the commit message.
03:54:05midkayaah, i see..
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03:54:39midkayi wonder if mr. diffenbach did something differently that made it faster for his patch than the SVN code.
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03:54:46midkay(the svn code that slasheri wrote)
03:55:00JdGordonhe cached the lines didnt he?
03:55:10*JdGordon cant actually remember
03:56:05midkayno idea, but i just remember being blown away at the speed change.. and i never noticed any major speed changes between regular SVN build updates.
03:58:04linuxstbJdGordon: The menus are still doing a full-screen update, but at least it's only one now... ;)
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03:58:32JdGordonyeah, I can definatly feel the difference at 30mhz on the sansa :)
03:58:33LloreanJdGordon: Maybe make one for 'debug' builds?
03:58:40midkayis that why those smart-rect updates aren't really as efficient as they could be...? :)
03:59:30JdGordonmidkay: found his patch, 5591
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04:00:28midkayJdGordon: cool, if you're interested in researching go for it.. i hardly feel like digging around to compare the implementations :)
04:00:50JdGordonneither, but you got me interested
04:01:09JdGordonalso, the 2 things i thought about coding today are slightly annoying to implement
04:01:22midkaycode faster list updates! :D
04:01:32JdGordonand will probably get yelled down because they just make life easier....
04:02:05midkayhaha. how dare you even consider making life easier...! :)
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04:02:37Lloreanmidkay: He's sour because he proposed adding a customizable menu, and quite a few people didn't want it.
04:02:56JdGordon<spoiler alert> I thougt about adding <Paste here> to the file browser after a copy/cut
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04:03:07JdGordonand a proper choose file "widget"
04:03:58linuxstbJdGordon: Regarding your menu fix, I think you broke the "Now Playing/Resume Playback" menu item. I'm sure that it used to change with the playback status, but now it only changes after you move the cursor. I don't know if there are other similar menu items which could be affected.
04:04:24midkayLlorean: ah.
04:04:41JdGordonlinuxstb: crap, your right
04:04:44Lloreanlinuxstb: If it affects tree too, maybe the appearance of the virtual SD card folder?
04:04:51linuxstbJdGordon: I mentioned that in the logs...
04:05:08JdGordonit wont affect the tree... only menus with dynamic names...
04:05:15JdGordonyeah, but im still not fully awake yet
04:05:19midkayJdGordon: choose file widget? what do you mean?
04:05:32JdGordonfor save as... open file... etc
04:05:47JdGordonusable in plugins and core
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04:06:43LloreanJdGordon: Oh, btw, if you never got an actual measure, it's apparently 438 bytes.
04:06:54JdGordonok, thanks
04:08:20*JdGordon has an idea to fix dnamic names
04:08:31linuxstbJdGordon: Also, those calls gui_synclist_draw were added by you as a bugfix for menu items not scrolling (IIUC). Do they still work?
04:08:45JdGordonyeah, scrolling works
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04:18:20saratogai'm looking forward to trying these menu changes
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04:18:37safetydanJdGordon, I'd support changing cut/copy/paste to be "Copy to..." and "Move to..." menu entries. The only reason I didn't do it that way in the first place was the like of a suitable widget.
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04:19:48michieru_Hmmm, how long till rockbox can work on 5th generation iPod's? Or if they plan on being supported.
04:19:53JdGordonsafetydan: they actually sound better than adding a dummy item to the tree... should be easy to do once some minor tweaking happens in the tree
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04:20:03JdGordonlinuxstb: fixed the now playing item (about to commit)
04:20:12aliaskmichieru_: Rockbox already works with 5g ipods...
04:20:13linuxstbmichieru_: It's worked for about 18 months...
04:20:14Lloreanmichieru_: Oh, some nine months ago or so.
04:20:21LloreanOr apparently longer.
04:20:27scorchemichieru_: they can see a list of working devices ont he front page
04:20:31*Llorean meant 19, really
04:20:32linuxstbJan 2006 IIRC (or am I going mad...)
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04:21:17michieru_Pardon, I actually have a iPod Nano 2nd gen, according to the site it's not supported.
04:21:37LloreaniPod Nano 2nd gen is not a "5g iPod"
04:21:53linuxstbThen no, there are no real plans for 2nd gen support - it's a completely new device compared to older ipods.
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04:22:31michieru_Llorean: My mistake.
04:22:52michieru_linuxstb: Alright, so it's best to assume rockbox won't be seen on it or ever for a while.
04:23:40michieru_Thanks anyway.
04:23:53linuxstbA port to the 2nd gen Nano relies on someone cracking Apple's encryption. If that happens tomorrow, then a Rockbox port would very likely be started. But that may never happen.
04:26:19saratogaa good way to reproduce the skipping problem on the Sansa with scaling is to play a wav file and then scroll a lot
04:26:55saratogathat said, the wma codec works pretty well, only get ~50% boost which i htink is enough to avoid skipping
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04:29:08saratogalinuxstb: if you're still up, i made some progress on the <32k file issue, converted some tables, and tracked down the current crashes to a problem in how my test program allocates memory
04:29:26saratogahopefully i'll start making real progress towards a patch tomorrow
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05:28:21mike__can someone help me encode video for my ipod video?
05:28:58mike__I had a .bat file to use with my old iriver h10, but i need a new size one for my ipod, correct? I am using ubuntu linux
05:34:11Soapmike__, have you used winFF as described in the wiki?
05:34:30Soapnevermind - just saw ubuntu - .bat lead me to think windows
05:34:58mike__yeah.. i was using the bat for windows
05:35:08mike__I was hoping I could do somthing similar if not the same here
05:35:27mike__winff seems to have .deb packages though.. im looking now
05:36:07conorkirkpatrickiPod video: 320x240
05:36:48mike__and it must be 10 fps, correct?
05:37:21mike__oh and is it mpeg 2 or 4
05:37:32Soapcan be whatever you want
05:37:40mike__ah okay
05:37:58Soapbut I think you should keep in in integer fractions of original framerate
05:38:11Soaptake a 24 fps source to 12 or 8
05:38:39Soapa 30 fps source to 15 or 10 (or 6)
05:38:48LloreanSoap: I don't think 8 is a choice, is it?
05:39:00mike__it is letting me enter custom values
05:39:05Soapthat I can't say.
05:39:16Lloreanmike__: mpeg 2 though, 4 won't play in Rockbox
05:39:29Soapffmepg will do non-standard values, as to if it allows totally-wack ones I can't say.
05:39:33LloreanSoap: I'm pretty sure the valid frame rate choices are 10, 12, 15, 24, 25, 29.97 and 30
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05:39:50Llorean10, 12, and 15, being the "legal" non-standards.
05:40:01*Llorean isn't sure either, though
05:41:38SoapI know the other encoders which allow "illegal" framerates take any integer divisor, but they do frame duplication. I still don't fully understand how ffmpeg appears to be the one to do it w/o.
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05:44:19Soapthough, I guess on the iPod video stutters from a 24 -> 10 conversion are going to be the least of your stutters.
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05:58:07fedHi, is jhMikeS by any chance?
05:59:38fedI have been working with the recording.c code for a bit, and I am now stuck on something.
06:00:15fedI'd like to change the prerecording time after prerecording has started, but before I start recording.
06:00:24fedAny idea if this is possible?
06:01:13fedI think it needs to be done in mpeg.c or pcm_record.c
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06:10:16JdGordonah fuck!
06:11:37aliaskoh no!
06:11:53aliask(what's wrong?)
06:13:36fedI'll try again later...
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06:18:13*JdGordon really shouldnt code before lunch and after midnight :p
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06:23:03JdGordonhey cool... build.rockbox show th local time the build is excepted to finish, not gmt like it used to :D
06:23:42LloreanAnd the countdown
06:24:54JdGordonyeah, i noticed the countdown on monday
06:26:05JdGordonlast thing it needs is the middle table with the downloads to update automatically
06:26:59jhMikeSfed: it's possible, yes
06:29:12jhMikeSwoops fed, left :p
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06:48:39JdGordonanyone want to test a patch to clean up the settings code I want to commit?
06:48:57JdGordonshouldnt be any visible changes, unless there are bugs which I havnt spotted yet....
06:49:03JdGordon... which means there probably is bugs...
06:53:00jhMikeSsure...any procedure in mind?
06:53:49JdGordonnot really... I tihnk the worst bit is that some setting lists might look upsidedown...
06:54:00JdGordonjust fixing up the patch to put online
06:54:18*JdGordon hoping to save 500 bytes so I can apply 7417 :D
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06:54:43jhMikeSupside down? :)
06:55:07JdGordonthe order might be backwards...
06:55:10*jhMikeS thinks he can adapt
06:55:25JdGordonbtw, inverted lcd and upside down on sansa is cool :)
06:55:30LloreanSaving 500 bytes doesn't change anything about 7417
06:55:31JdGordoncompletly unusable though, but cool
06:55:35LloreanIt doesn't magically make it a better use of that space.
06:55:42*JdGordon was being funny Llorean
06:55:56JdGordon.. thats what the :D was for...
06:56:08LloreanBeing a happy face, it could also mean "I'm happy about it"
06:56:16LloreanIt's kinda hard to tell. :-P
06:56:17conorkirkpatrickIt's on!
06:57:06conorkirkpatrickIn one corner, weighing in at 170 pounds, we have Llorean!
06:57:06conorkirkpatrickIn the other corner, weighing 165 pounds, we have JdGordon!
06:57:06conorkirkpatrickKeep it clean!
06:57:06DBUGEnqueued KICK conorkirkpatrick
06:57:29jhMikeSbtw, if you keep your jpegs as negatives, invert is surely helpful :)
06:57:43JdGordon165 punds!! hahahaha... try 110"> test please
06:58:51JdGordonand let me know if any gcc warnings comes up... my gcc is fubar
06:59:07conorkirkpatrick /* update this to latest version if a change to the api struct breaks
06:59:07conorkirkpatrick backwards compatibility (and please take the opportunity to sort in any
06:59:07conorkirkpatrick new function which are "waiting" at the end of the function table) */
06:59:07conorkirkpatrick-#define PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION 61
06:59:08***Alert Mode level 1
06:59:08conorkirkpatrick+#define PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION 62
06:59:08***Alert Mode level 2
06:59:10conorkirkpatrick /* plugin return codes */
06:59:12conorkirkpatrick enum plugin_status {
06:59:14conorkirkpatrick@@ -418,8 +418,6 @@
06:59:16conorkirkpatrick int (*sound_default)(int setting);
06:59:18conorkirkpatrick #endif
06:59:20conorkirkpatrick void (*sound_set)(int setting, int value);
06:59:21jhMikeSum...pastebin that?
06:59:22conorkirkpatrick- bool (*set_sound)(const unsigned char * string,
06:59:23Mode"#rockbox +o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.)
06:59:24conorkirkpatrick- int* variable, int setting);
06:59:26conorkirkpatrick int (*sound_min)(int setting);
06:59:28conorkirkpatrick int (*sound_max)(int setting);
06:59:30conorkirkpatrick #ifndef SIMULATOR
06:59:32conorkirkpatrick@@ -509,6 +507,8 @@
06:59:34conorkirkpatrick void (*gui_syncstatusbar_draw)(struct gui_syncstatusbar * bars, bool force_redraw);
06:59:38conorkirkpatrick /* options */
06:59:40conorkirkpatrick+ const struct settings_list* (*find_setting)(void* variable, int *id);
06:59:42conorkirkpatrick+ bool (*option_screen)(struct settings_list *setting, bool use_temp_var);
06:59:44conorkirkpatrick bool (*set_option)(const char* string, void* variable,
06:59:46conorkirkpatrick enum optiontype type, const struct opt_items* options,
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07:00:07scorchesorry...was a bit slow...had to /who =/
07:00:34jhMikeSJdGordon: any player you'd like this tested on in particular?
07:00:45JdGordonits for all, so any
07:01:10Mode"#rockbox -b %conorkirkpatrick!*@* " by scorche (n=scorche@rockbox/administrator/scorche)
07:01:16JdGordonit saves 300bytes on the h300 which is nice
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07:02:38jhMikeSbut adds 2K to Ondio (where all the saved bytes go)? :P
07:03:06JdGordonouch, wtf?
07:03:25CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
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07:04:39jhMikeSgot a fuzz in option_select.c
07:05:08jhMikeSok, compiling
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07:05:42JdGordondiff must suck, I did the diff from a up to date svn
07:06:34JdGordonjhMikeS: oh, you know about the ppl complaining about random pixels at te top of the screen on the sansas?
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07:06:48JdGordonI just resently started getting them in the BL and they disappear once rb starts
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07:07:42JdGordondunno if that will help anyone figure out what the problem is or not
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07:09:50jhMikeSI get the if I hold a button other than |<<
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07:12:36*jhMikeS had to do a full rebuild on another source tree ... so just one minute here
07:13:02JdGordonno prob
07:13:21jhMikeSso just run around to various menus and settings and check?
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07:13:31JdGordonpretty much
07:13:41JdGordonif all is good you shouldnt notice any changes
07:15:54jhMikeSI don't get a "Cancelled" now if I don't change the setting. Did that just change?
07:16:12scorchedidnt we do away with that a while back?
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07:16:25*jhMikeS never noticed till now
07:16:55JdGordonyes thats fixed
07:17:32JdGordonyou still et cancelled if you do change it and hit left though
07:17:40jhMikeSthings look good so far
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07:19:10hw1227Pardon me if I'm interrupting... Is there any specific level of FLAC compression that is known to work well with the iPod?
07:19:25scorcheall should be realtime
07:19:47*jhMikeS would like a tick next to the currenly selected option though that follows the cursor if the option takes effect upon moving the cursor or stays put if it doesn't. that's probably been debated alot at some point.
07:20:12hw1227scorche: k, thanks.
07:21:57*jhMikeS would also like to do away with that scan-for-presets thing in the FM screen. It doesn't even allow region setting before doing a scan and it's just clumsy imho.
07:22:34*jhMikeS speaks of the nag when no presets are loaded
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07:22:47JdGordonjhMikeS: re the tick, I think its only needed if the setting doesnt take effect immediatly
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07:25:07jhMikeSJdGordon: I was just suggesting that it have consistent display for also highlights the fact it's an option even more.
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07:26:46JdGordonthe first version of the origional settings change patch (the one where settings_list was introduced) had that tick
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07:31:17JdGordonyay :) moved more misplaced code around and saved another 100 bytes
07:31:19jhMikeSwhy remove it? Actually it makes sense too to keep it on the value it will take if it's cancelled.
07:31:33JdGordonnoone liked it...
07:31:43JdGordonit can be easily added later
07:34:01jhMikeSI don't see any problems so far with anything :)
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07:39:36JdGordonok, here goes....
07:47:55JdGordonholy crap! green top table!
07:48:36scorchehurry JdGordon! cant let it be that way for too long!
07:48:53JdGordonits so boring being green though
07:49:00*JdGordon wants the xmas lights table back
07:49:57*JdGordon also just made the inline settings painfully trivial to implement
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07:52:42n17ikh|Lappyhi folks, anyone awake?
07:52:46n17ikh|LappyI'm having a problem
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07:52:58n17ikh|LappyI just updated rockbox on my iriver H10 20gb
07:53:07n17ikh|Lappyfrom a build that was a couple months old, to the latest
07:53:18n17ikh|Lappyand I noticed it doesn't change color of the icons anymore
07:53:29n17ikh|Lappythey stay black, which is a problem because I use a black background
07:53:46scorcheyes....the icons are a bit different now
07:54:02n17ikh|Lappyis there a way for me to fix this? a bmp file for me to edit?
07:54:23n17ikh|Lappyor, is it not exactly that simple
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07:56:51amiconnJdGordon: The original settings patch did *not* have a tick like jhMikeS described
07:57:22amiconnIt had a tick that stayed at the old setting regardless of whether it's a "live" setting or not
07:57:42amiconns/old setting/old value/
07:57:53*JdGordon didnt say it was exactly how he suggested
07:58:00*JdGordon gone
07:58:53n17ikh|Lappyis it a known issue? (icons on black background = gone, that is_
07:59:49n17ikh|Lappyah ha
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08:08:38amiconnJdGordon: Umm, standard menus are now snappy, but the debug menu is still lagging. Maybe it affects those which use the oldmenu wrapper?
08:14:09n17ikh|Lappyah ha, indeed
08:14:09n17ikh|Lappyhello there lurvely custom icons
08:18:32ptwi've successfully printed hello world w/ rockbox on the Gigabeat S
08:18:58ptwwe have print :)
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08:22:41ptw419has a few bugs, but it prints hello world, then reboots. shouldn't be hard to fix
08:22:53*amiconn wonders whether the ipl guys know that they're running the G3 (and perhaps also G1 and G2) ipods at 66MHz only
08:23:24scorcheamiconn: i believe DerPapst was talking about it earlier
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08:24:39amiconnIs their irc channel logged?
08:24:49scorchenot sure
08:25:08scorchehe was in here for your conversation though
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08:25:20scorchethey didnt say anything important in their channel
08:25:53scorchejust sort of a "/me is watching an interesting conversation in #rockbox"
08:26:00GodEater_it is logged yes
08:26:05GodEater_but I forget where
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08:26:35*amiconn used to keep joined to #ipodlinux for a while
08:27:23amiconnBut there never was much conversation, so I stopped again ~2 months ago
08:27:37scorchestill is like that
08:27:39GodEater_no - it's pretty quiet compared to us rabble ;)
08:28:04scorcheand practically nothing is ever said in ipodlinux-dev
08:28:17GodEater_I go there to watch the tumbleweed
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08:33:12markunptw419: congrats!
08:34:02ptw419ty markun
08:34:33*TiMiD[FD] wants his commit access back
08:34:48scorchedid you mail the swedes?
08:35:08TiMiD[FD]yes I did
08:35:27scorchewell, bagder was on vacation....i believe he is back now
08:35:42TiMiD[FD]I mailed daniel
08:35:58TiMiD[FD]I wonder if he was the right person for that
08:36:01scorchethat would be bagder =)
08:36:10ptw419aliask is also working to get an S tree out, and working on a scramble function for the S
08:36:28TiMiD[FD]I never knew which one was dan between zagor and bagder
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08:37:12scorchezagor is bjorn
08:37:30TiMiD[FD]their nicks are as explicit as the variables names in the rockbox drivers ^^
08:38:03lachlan12354ptw419: This is great news, I can't wait for a S port. Well done!
08:38:33TiMiD[FD]oh I've got a new mail
08:38:40TiMiD[FD]maybe ...
08:39:20*amiconn points TiMiD[FD] to
08:39:46TiMiD[FD]ah it was a work mail ... too bad
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08:40:29TiMiD[FD]never knew that page was there
08:40:44TiMiD[FD]I'll add myself if I remember my wiki password
08:41:20amiconnThe page can be found easily...
08:41:34TiMiD[FD]but I never searched
08:41:40amiconnJust 2 clicks from the frontpage
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08:42:50TiMiD[FD]I never really knew there was such a page in the wiki so I never searched ...
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08:48:34TiMiD[FD]yah added myself
08:48:54TiMiD[FD]at least did something useful today
08:50:11TiMiD[FD]oh there are other people living in the asian zone !
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08:50:36scorcheTiMiD[FD]: i heard it was a populous place...
08:51:45TiMiD[FD]yes but they cannot speak english so ...
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08:53:05scorchethen what language are you speaking?
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08:53:26TiMiD[FD]I'm french so I speak french
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08:54:56GodEater_weird - I suddenly understand french!
08:54:56TiMiD[FD]but hmm I'm expatriated
08:55:30GodEater_someone should update the Gigabeat S30 thread in the New Ports forum with our good news
08:55:55TiMiD[FD]GodEater_: that's because you're on crack ^^
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09:19:08ptw419now that the hard part is done we can just sit down and relax until zune-linux cracks the zune security :)
09:21:44lachlan12354what? they already have!
09:22:49ptw419is there a zune wiki?
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09:24:03scorche"<nekura42> actually, one of the reasons I want to get Wifi on the iPod is so I can make an MMO on it ::grin::"...i really dont see why these people dont just get a PDA or a small laptop...
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09:25:32bluetwhat's up with this new main menu thing?
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09:27:23ptw419if I wanted to create a Zune wiki for a Zune port, just to start it up, would it go under inactive target?
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09:28:52peturyou can always be optimistic and put it under New Ports ;)
09:29:31peturthe Inactive ones are those that were abandoned
09:29:39ptw419I see.
09:30:06bluethmm, rockbox and wifi
09:30:17peturbut unless custom code can be run on the zune, I don't see the point
09:30:31ptw419no ones really working on a Zune port that i know of, although it probably would not be very much different from the gigabeat S port if/when the security is cracked
09:31:06ptw419i think i will just post the info on the forum. I just wanted to post the extracted firmware
09:31:09peturdo not expect much (anything?) from those zune-linux guys
09:31:25scorchei believe he is well aware =)
09:31:34ptw419i expect everything from them ;)
09:32:02peturthey can't even manage to keep their funny reading material on the net
09:32:03ptw419they just have this aura of legitness(is that even a word?) about them...
09:32:12dan_aBut they've done so much! They had code running on the Zune, then they didn't, then they set up a forum, then they took it down again...
09:32:16bluetmaybe hvsc was what made the databse update slow
09:32:53ptw419well, i think this extracted firmware would help for the right person to come along. is down?!?!
09:33:16ptw419for some reason the zune-linux people got this funny idea in their head that the firmware was encrypted...
09:33:17Lloreanbluet: HVSC is far too many songs for inclusion in the database. It might work, but it would take an incredible period of time to build.
09:33:43scorcheptw419: what other reason could there be for them not being able to get into it?
09:33:44peturscorche: somebody wanted to help the rest of the world and deleted it ;)
09:34:03bluetLlorean: it's done now
09:34:12bluetbut browsing is a bit tedious
09:34:12ptw419hashed and signed maybe, but not encrypted...
09:34:33ptw419scorche: they didn't know what they were doing?
09:34:52ptw419scorche: or know what the hell they were talking about?
09:35:06scorchehaha..."I’m incredibly pissed that one of OUR team members would do such a thing"....well.../thats what happens when you give admin status to kids who volunteer!!!/
09:35:31scorchesuch valuable data that was lost too..
09:36:39dan_aFear not! They're on myspace now, so I'm sure it'll be released in no time
09:39:13scorchethey really have absolutely no clue...they suggest putting DSL on the zune, "Given the harware detection built into DSL it could work although you would most likely get some kind of X Windows error."
09:40:53ptw419i found it funny when they were suggesting to run a linux distro build for an x86 machine...
09:41:22scorcheoh...and of course "they were about to crack the zune, but now all of a sudden the progress is gone!"
09:41:38dan_aamiconn: For the record, perfcalc is now showing values above 66MHz. Well done :D
09:42:26scorcheptw419: oh...the autodetection DSL has would take care of that...
09:42:47bluethow would they boot it?
09:43:51scorchebluet: when you turn things on, things boot...didnt you know?
09:43:58bluetoh, right
09:44:13GodEater_so long as there's enough magic smoke
09:44:13bluetjust put the zune on top of a dsl cd
09:44:29LloreanPorting by osmosis?
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09:45:16*jhMikeS needs a guinea pig to test a pcm update (big patch) on a non-sansa portal player target
09:45:23blueti wonder how long deleting hvsc will take
09:45:43bluetit took about four hours to transfer
09:46:01markunbluet: I also noticed that rockbox is not very quick with deleting a lot of files
09:46:12blueti'm using ums
09:46:34bluet118 minutes remaining
09:47:18JdGordonamiconn: yes, there is still an extra list draw in the debug menu lists...
09:47:31JdGordonjhMikeS: ill test on a nano...
09:47:52bluetjhMikeS: like a h10?
09:50:24JdGordonjhMikeS: bah, nano has no batt
09:51:50jhMikeSbluet: yeah, that will do
09:52:01bluetis it a binary patch?
09:52:07jhMikeSJdGordon: no batt or no charge?
09:52:21JdGordonno charge
09:52:32jhMikeSbluet: a build? if you need that it's np to whip up.
09:52:46bluetthat'd be great
09:52:48JdGordon:'( i still get a crach every-so-often going into the file browser with the msd :'(
09:52:54blueti have no compiler her at the moment
09:53:05jhMikeSwhich audio codec has h10?
09:53:44blueti don't know
09:54:08ptw419the gdb stub in rockbox is only for iriver right?
09:54:15jhMikeSthat's ok...I'll find it real quick
09:54:35bluetjhMikeS: do you mean the codecs for decoding files?
09:54:36ptw419and archos
09:55:47jhMikeSbluet: no that hardware...WM8731 I see
09:55:56bluetyeah, thought so
09:56:27jhMikeSbluet: 5GB or the other?
09:56:38bluet6 GB actually
09:56:49bluetbut it's the "same" as the 5 GB
09:56:50pondlifeQuick question re autoscore and In tagcache.c/tagtree.c we set the score to be autoscore/10 moving it to a range of 0-10. Is this a good idea, or should we leave tags as they are?
09:56:58bluetnot the 20 GB
09:57:14bluet6 GB mtp with radio
09:58:07ptw419updated zune forum if anyone wants to take a look and disassemble the zune firmware files
09:58:14jhMikeSall I really need is a quick playback test and a recording test. if things sound fine and it starts/stops/paused ok, all is good.
09:58:21Lloreanpondlife: I think it's intentional that the score is presented as 0-10, I thought that's what was available if you manually scored one in the past?
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09:58:44pondlifeLlorean: Ratings go from 0-10, autoscores normally go from 0-100
09:59:19pondlifeThat's how the tags normally work anyway...
09:59:27Llorean"Normally" as in what?
09:59:35pondlifeAs in - in the file.
09:59:55LloreanI thought the autoscore was simply a parallel to the rating, but created by algorithm instead of manually entered.
10:00:05pondlifeIt seems odd we are taking a value from the file and dividing by 10 though.
10:00:26pondlifeNormally we'd just give the user enough rope...
10:00:32LloreanI thought autoscore was entirely an internal value in the database.
10:00:39LloreanNot something a user even has access to.
10:01:11Lloreanpondlife: tag_virt_autoscore <−−- I assume "virt" means "virtual"?
10:01:59pondlifeI don't use the feature, shall I just close the bug as "Not a bug"...
10:02:06LloreanI'm pretty sure it's not.
10:02:09pondlifei.e. this is intentional.
10:02:15markunptw419: can you take a picture of your Gigabeat with "hello world"?
10:02:35ptw419i can try w/ my camera
10:02:36LloreanI'd say close it, yes.
10:03:26*JdGordon killed the build servers....
10:03:46markunptw419: and then post a link on mygigabeat of course :)
10:04:47peturJdGordon: no you didn't ;)
10:05:10peturit was slow however: "the most recent build took 9mins 59secs"
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10:05:51pondlifeIt hasn't picked up JdGordon's last commit though
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10:06:06JdGordonfront page hasnt
10:06:07pondlifeOops, yes it has..
10:06:13JdGordonbuild.svn as
10:08:07bluetwhat does the rockbox.mi4 file do?
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10:08:18jhMikeSit's the firmware
10:08:41bluetthe "kernel"?
10:09:02jhMikeSand the rest of the core functionality
10:09:22bluetand rockbox.h10?
10:09:26ptw419batteries are dead for my camera, I will get some tommorow and do it then.
10:09:41bluetsame thing for older versions?
10:09:49blueti had one in /
10:09:57jhMikeSbluet: that's obsolete. everything was renamed *.mi4 for pp
10:09:59ptw419are there any functions in rockbox to make the font bigger b/c i don't know if my cam has the resolution for the text. its very small
10:10:07jhMikeSportal player
10:10:20scorcheptw419: we just change fonts =/
10:10:36bluetthe last time (also the first time) i installed rockbox was last year
10:10:50ptw419whats a bigger font to use?
10:10:52bluetlate december
10:11:08bluetptw419: one you like
10:11:25Lloreanptw419: Most of them have a number in the name. Nimbus19 is quite large.
10:11:27LloreanI think it's 19
10:11:29jhMikeSwow...of course I don't I have a copy of rb more than a few hours old on anything :)
10:11:50bluetwell, i just updated
10:11:58ptw419this one is on STYLE_DEFAULT
10:12:01*jhMikeS gets the goat ready
10:12:36blueti'm running the 4:20 build i think
10:12:42ptw419markun: tommorow i'll run out and get some batteries. my cam also does a little video so if i can figure it out i'll do video as well
10:12:42bluetor 5:41
10:14:13ptw419but its bed time. another day tommorow.
10:14:35bluethey, nvram
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10:15:17jhMikeSbluet: so what's it doing?
10:15:44*jhMikeS is always impatient
10:15:45bluetoh, i'm just backing up my old rockbox dir
10:16:00bluetusing usb 1.1
10:17:41bluetwhat is this patch supposed to do?
10:18:46bluetaaaand backed up
10:19:02jhMikeSsome internal stuff with locking the audio interrupts and a cleanup of the pcm layer code (esp. for pp). it should also fix a problem with crashes after recording and other things too numerous to mention.
10:19:38bluetwhat's so special about pp?
10:20:38jhMikeSnothing except that it's undocumented hardware and sometimes results aren't so predictable
10:21:15jhMikeSthe pp5020 that the H10 has has been especially picky I hear
10:21:23bluetthat sucks
10:21:31bluethave you tried to get the docs?
10:21:45jhMikeSheh...who doesn't want them
10:22:03bluetaaah, committing database
10:23:02jhMikeSwatch the ears :) I don't know what it's going to do for sure.
10:23:59bluetso i'm the first one to try this?
10:24:35jhMikeSon not-an-e200, yes
10:25:18bluetit says committing database\n[3/8]
10:25:23bluetwhat are there 8 of?
10:26:48bluetit has booted
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10:27:16bluetno sound
10:27:24bluetplayback is way too fast
10:27:32bluetjudging by the counter
10:27:48bluettwo seconds very second i'd say
10:27:52bluetXTerm.cutchars: @,;"'()<>[]{|}
10:28:08jhMikeSMakes sense actually.
10:28:38bluetnot to be i'm afraid
10:28:48jhMikeShmmm...will it at least stop and pause without a crash?
10:29:14bluetpause is good
10:29:32bluethmm, jumped a bit forward when i restarted it
10:30:03bluetmust be the fading
10:30:11bluetstopping worked
10:30:18bluetstill no crash
10:30:25jhMikeSenter recording?
10:31:13bluetthe db meter works it seems
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10:32:05jhMikeSok, so the one change to the pcm size can be held off and the remainder is safe.
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10:32:46bluetshould i try to record something?
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10:33:07jhMikeSsure...even if it's silent it should record silence at least
10:33:27bluetthere, still working
10:34:27bluetplayback of the wav file won't start
10:34:33bluetjust sits at 0:00
10:34:46blueti think it just crashed
10:34:55jhMikeScan you stop it?
10:35:37jhMikeSdid it actually write a file > 0 bytes?
10:36:06bluetit said so
10:36:11bluet5 MB
10:36:18blueta little under 30 seconds
10:36:39blueti'll play it on my computer
10:37:02jhMikeSso stop did stop the playback stuck at 0:00?
10:37:18bluetnothing worked
10:37:26bluetnot even the off button
10:37:43blueti get sound on the recording
10:38:02blueton the pc, that is
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10:40:08bluetso, recording works, playback doesn
10:41:00midkayJdGordon: isn't it about time to convert the debug menu into the new menu system? :)
10:41:15midkayit's been on the old system _forever_ and it's, afaik, the only one left to do...
10:41:18amiconnjhMikeS: Not all pp targets were changed to .mi4. Only the ones which use .mi4 for their OF
10:41:45amiconnIpods are using rockbox.ipod as usual
10:41:46jhMikeSamiconn: oh...somehow I get the impression it was all :\
10:42:34LloreanIt's all targets that use the mi4 format for their native firmware.
10:43:07*amiconn spots a modifying echo ;)
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10:44:00jhMikeSbluet: willing to try any others changes? Replacing the mi4 file would be enough.
10:44:18*midkay remembers when amiconn did the modifying-echo thing to scorche about a week ago :)
10:44:59bluetfour meters of headphone cable ftw
10:45:34jhMikeSbluet: so it got stuck only after recording, right?
10:45:45bluetnot right after recording
10:45:58bluetbut i tried to play back the recording
10:46:13blueti can try to play it after first recording
10:46:24bluetafter *not* recording
10:47:28jhMikeSI understand. Just playing something sometime after recording something I mean.
10:48:07bluetit could be the file
10:49:32bluetthe database commit code needs some optimization
10:50:08bluetonly committing every other file would be a good start :p
10:51:34jhMikeSthe file should be fine if it plays on the computer
10:51:50bluetyeah, probably
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10:56:36tumuare FS #6896 and FS #7032 dead on the sansa?
10:57:41bluetnow to turn off auto updating the db...
10:58:14bluetright, i deleted the recordin
10:58:35Lloreantumu: Well, nobody with the new hardware has figured out the cause of 6896, and the original responder doesn't seem to be responding to 7032
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11:00:18tumuwell, both are occuring on my e280
11:00:57bluetyay, now it doesn't take 10 minutes to turn on
11:01:05toeder, I set my rockbox language to chinese for kicks but it seems that my font didn't have chinese characters and now all the menu entries are empty
11:01:12toedis there a way to get back to english?
11:01:20bluetjhMikeS: we have sound
11:01:44peturtoed: edit the config file from your pc
11:01:46Lloreantumu: Feel free to isolate the causes then.
11:01:58peturtoed: or reset your settings ;)
11:01:59bluetpausing works...
11:02:00Lloreantumu: Nobody can solve the problems if the problems aren't happening to them.
11:02:07jhMikeSbluet: yeah, I switched the sample size back
11:02:07toedpetur: how do I do the latter again?
11:02:19bluetso it's "stock"?
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11:02:29peturtoed: depends on your player
11:02:38***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
11:02:40toedipod 5g
11:03:13tumuLlorean, indeed.. for 7032, i think .spc files did have issues
11:03:17peturtoed: I think it was fiddling with the hold switch while rockbox is booting... Llorean?
11:03:31bluethmm, the playback stopped a little
11:03:44bluetfor a split second
11:03:46tumuLlorean, removed them for now, have to test again
11:04:17Lloreantoed: Yes, after the Apple logo has been on screen a short time (when you turn on the player), turn on the hold switch, and it should cause the settings to reset.
11:07:19toedgreat, thanks
11:07:56jhMikeSbluet: just once?
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11:08:42bluetjhMikeS: so far, yes
11:10:21JdGordonmidkay: the debug menu wont be converted... not worth the effort
11:10:28JdGordonit will add heaps to the bin size
11:10:33JdGordonand it a massive PITA
11:10:51midkayJdGordon: i see...
11:10:51tumuLlorean, yes, uploading bunch of .spc files messes up the database init/update
11:12:09JdGordonamiconn: if i can be bothererd im going to convert the mmc/sd card debug screen to a list today or tomorow, should i only do it for sansa? or for ondio also? bearing in mind it will prob be red delta
11:12:14tumuLlorean, needs few db inits and reboots to succeed
11:15:09jhMikeSbluet: does it now pick up again after recording?
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11:18:29pixelmabluebrother: I bet that's what the guy in the forum already does... how else would he be able to switch between builds that have problems...
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11:20:57linuxstbamiconn: #ipodlinux is logged here -
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11:27:45linuxstbGodEater and GodEater_ : Either of you around?
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11:35:47amiconnlinuxstb: Wow, what timezone is that server in??
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11:38:57amiconnThe logfile date seems to be one day ahead...
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11:41:07*[IDC]Dragon just looked at the build table
11:41:42[IDC]Dragonis it broken, or can that be reallly so green?
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11:42:26scorche[IDC]Dragon: i think JdGordon is on a new diet
11:42:44peturamiconn: no I think it is saved on the current day but actually contains the log of yesterday
11:42:53peturie saved on 00:00 today
11:43:14scorcheif only the delta chart was that green...
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11:45:16linuxstbscorche: There would be nothing left of Rockbox if the delta chart was that green...
11:46:00[IDC]Dragonsaving 20 bytes each day won't harm
11:46:03scorchelinuxstb: it doesnt take much to go green, and the chart isnt too big
11:46:57safetydanI'd be interested in seeing the long term trend as a nice graph or similar
11:47:07scorche[IDC]Dragon: even then it wouldnt be enough for rombox though =/
11:48:11*[IDC]Dragon still dreams about a 4KiB bootloader
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11:49:19[IDC]DragonI've seen Atmel bootloaders in 2 KiB which read from a SD card, with FAT file system and all
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11:50:16safetydanscorche, not binary size, but interesting enough
11:50:25*scorche nods
11:50:27[IDC]Dragon(did I tell my Archos has 512 KiB flash?)
11:50:28safetydanIt's pretty obvious from the graph when software codec went in
11:53:11*amiconn suddenly wants a PP5020 target and a PP5002 target for himself
11:53:16JdGordon[IDC]Dragon: you still working on the loader for the rcorder?
11:53:29[IDC]Dragonno, I didn't start
11:53:43[IDC]Dragonthere's a ton of things first
11:53:57JdGordonamiconn: i can get a mini 1g fairly cheap if you wanna pay for it and postage...
11:53:58*jhMikeS 's tester ran away as usual
11:54:13amiconnI'd rather want a H10
11:54:35[IDC]Dragonamiconn: why "suddenly"?
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11:55:15[IDC]Dragonafk, lunch
11:55:20JdGordonamiconn: did you see my msg from about 40min ago? no answer is dont care? or go for it?
11:56:08amiconn[IDC]Dragon: Since I started diving into OF disassemblies, trying to RE stuff
11:56:30amiconnJdGordon: I'd like to know the delta first, and see how it looks
11:56:34scorcheamiconn: there were quite a few refurbished H10s sold on woot a bit ago for around 130USD
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11:57:57JdGordonh10's seem to go for about $150 AUD
11:58:17scorcheso about the same
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12:00:20jhMikeS1) collect underpants 2) ?? 3) playback engine rework ... hard to get people to help with 1).
12:00:58JdGordon4) profit?
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12:01:11scorchejhMikeS: well, if you washed them more often...
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12:01:57jhMikeSah...but the low level stuff is so dirty
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12:02:19jhMikeScaked with pp goo
12:03:00midkaylet's keep this channel G-rated, please!
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12:03:57*scorche throws up a few ponies and unicorns to comply with the G rating requirements
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12:04:14scorcheeek..."throws up" gave the wrong intentions...
12:04:22pondlifeWooh, ponies. Can I add kittens to the mix?
12:04:28*scorche adds "on the walls"
12:04:35jhMikeSabout spells it out though
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12:04:59*jhMikeS wonders about scorche's favorite foods
12:05:12midkayjust keep your "pp goo" out of this and it'll be fine.
12:05:31jhMikeSfine: portal player goo :)
12:05:46scorchejhMikeS: carne asada tacos and a lot of different japanese food =)
12:05:58midkayjhMikeS: this isn't the place for that..!
12:06:05jhMikeSsure it's not carne de caballo?
12:06:30*scorche looks that up
12:07:00scorchenever had horsemeat....
12:07:21*petur spots a whole page of the log to add to GoldenQuotes :p
12:08:36scorchepetur: i am been procrastinating, but i am planning on putting up a QDB for this channel so we can put stuff there that we wouldnt put on GQ =P
12:08:48scorchei am been bad english...
12:09:30JdGordonamiconn: what do you think about"> its not the nicest way to do it, but it works....
12:09:38JdGordonvery small green delta on h300 also
12:10:32JdGordonthats dircache, tagcahce and fm
12:11:42*JdGordon trying to get through a few patches from ages ago beforre uni starts again
12:13:42*jhMikeS is getting the "put it in svn and let them report" urge that often results in faster "refinement".
12:18:37JdGordonbugger it... can someone check the sh bin delta with the above patch please?
12:20:01*jhMikeS can
12:20:14*JdGordon back in 45min.. no rush
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12:33:48jhMikeSJdGordon: My build for player was +484
12:34:41tumuit seems the pluginmpegplayer wikipage has broken mencoder command line
12:35:04scorchewell, it is a wiki...
12:35:15tumuwell, i don't have an account...
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12:36:23pondlifeJdGordon: I'd be interested in a *Nano* 1g, not a mini... do you have any of those lying around cheap??
12:38:05markuntumu: what's wrong with it?
12:38:33tumuredundant -zoom and missing - before vf
12:39:10tumutho the latter scale=.. could be merged with the former one as well
12:39:38markuntumu: yes, I see it
12:39:43markunI wonder who wrote that line..
12:40:01scorchemarkun: well, it is a wiki =P
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12:41:59tumumight want to remove the -zoom from the options help above
12:42:58markuntumu: just create an account man :)
12:43:05tumunever :)
12:43:11tumui hate forced accounts
12:44:03markuntumu: maybe you can write all your wiki problems in a mail and send it to to rockbox mailing list for someone to look at then :)
12:44:52tumumaybe when i gather enough of them :)
12:45:05markunI'm also not crazy about forced accounts
12:45:31markunbut it's nice to see who fucked up a wiki page
12:46:34Lloreantumu: If you can stop anyone from ever using exploits to damage our wiki, and all intentional vandalism, I'm sure the forced account rule can be lifted.
12:47:40tumui doubt forced accounts stop vandalism given enough effort..
12:48:21LloreanThey do reduce significantly drive-by spam though.
12:48:49LloreanSaying "You can't prevent all wrongdoing so why try to prevent any" is kinda silly.
12:49:02tumui didn't say that
12:51:02jhMikeSmarkun: Interesting thing...after adding timer to gigabeat I found the lcd refresh to be 61.1Hz on my unit using test_scanrate.
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12:53:54*[IDC]Dragon just watched "iPhone: will it blend?"
12:54:17[IDC]Dragonthey alse ran an iPod through the mixer
12:54:25[IDC]Dragon also
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13:00:08markunjhMikeS: that's interesting yes, maybe I made a mistake in my calculation
13:00:16tumumarkun, also the vb_strategy should be set to 0 to force max bframe usage and vmax_b_frames to 4 as it is the max amount allowed
13:01:29markuntumu: aha, why are you telling me? :)
13:01:43tumubecause you have wiki account and are eager to edit? :)
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13:07:12*amiconn wonders why pondlife would prefer a nano
13:07:36amiconnThey're fingerprint collectors like all ipods except the minis and the nano G2
13:08:58scorcheafter a few fingerprints get on it, fingerprints dont matter as much =/
13:09:40pondlifeActually I'll probably go for a Sansa, but tiny size is most important
13:09:58scorchenanos are handy lil buggers
13:11:01jhMikeSsansa makes plently of hands even changed the color of the anodizing
13:14:01tumucool, videos work on sansa
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13:21:31jhMikeSmarkun: something struck me about the high current after boot on gigabeat. I also see exactly the same reading a second or two before the disk spins down after having played. I'm not sure if it means a darn thing atm.
13:22:36safetydanDoes rockbox have an equivalent to ftell()?
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13:27:13[IDC]Dragonsafetydan: I think fseek(CUR) will tell you
13:27:14jhMikeSlseek(fd, 0, SEEK_CUR) is all I came up with when I needed it (ftell returns filepos, right?)
13:27:51safetydanjhMikeS, that should do it. Should have thought of it myself.
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13:54:45JdGordonjhMikeS: ok thanks
13:54:55JdGordonpondlife: ill keep an eye out on the forums i frequent
13:55:39pondlifeLike I said, a Sansa is looking more likely to be my choice, but I'd be interested if any turned up at a low price.
13:56:02JdGordoni hate the nano
13:56:05JdGordonscreen is too small
13:56:15JdGordonte only thing it has is the crazy thinness
13:56:21pondlifeBasically in order, what I need is - tiny, runs Rockbox, 2-4GB, easy controls
13:57:09pondlifee260 is probably winning
13:57:42JdGordone250 is $210 which seems a bit high
13:59:33pondlifee260 is £75 in the UK
13:59:41pondlifeincluding delivery
14:00:25JdGordonabout the same price
14:00:50pondlife£177 AUD
14:00:54pondlife$ I mean
14:01:13JdGordon75*3 ~= 210
14:01:22JdGordonobviously my dollar comparison is a bit off :p
14:01:35pondlife1 GBP = 2.36 AUD apparently
14:02:05JdGordonit used to be clsoer to 3...
14:02:14*jhMikeS finally gets the stupid idea to make phony plastic SD card to lick the problem of sansas with the stuck GPIO_A bit 7 :\
14:02:37*JdGordon wonders who you go about making a phony card
14:02:50Zagorhow phony?
14:03:17jhMikeSummm...I should have a piece of plastic as thick as an SD card around here. I'll just shape it like one and plug it in the slot.
14:03:18JdGordonmaybe we should have a button check to disable sd access?
14:03:47petura setting! a setting! a setting! :p
14:03:54jhMikeSI think rockbox has to behave well under the circumstances. The OF has no trouble with it.
14:04:22jhMikeSof course maybe that divide by zero in fat.c was the reason
14:04:31JdGordoncan it be disabled if we get no data from the chip instead of hanging/panicing
14:04:52*JdGordon off to the pub
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14:06:53jhMikeSit shouldn't hang because it _should_ timeout in which case it should panic but it isn't in that case
14:11:23*jhMikeS find a paper gum wrapper suffices
14:12:12jhMikeSit hangs allright
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14:43:07*pondlife laughs at
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14:50:01jhMikeSelitist gadget hacker :)
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14:52:10chrisjs169_"<jhMikeS> it shouldn't hang because it _should_ timeout in which case it should panic but it isn't in that case" <- It does time out, but it takes a few hours
14:53:22jhMikeSchrisjs169: right. it should whine about it alot sooner than hours. at least I found a simple way to make mine do it though.
14:53:53chrisjs169_yours is now hanging?
14:54:13jhMikeSI put a piece of gum wrapper in the slot to imitate the stuck switch
14:55:29chrisjs169_and you're sure you can fix it after you're done?
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14:57:13jhMikeSI think alot of timeouts in there are too long for the udelay
14:57:54jhMikeSfix what? I just pull the gum wrapper out. :)
14:58:55hcsthe fact that you put "gum" in there made it sound like a sticky problem
15:01:54jhMikeSjust the gum...I chewed that all by myself
15:02:09chrisjs169_wow =P
15:02:27chrisjs169_Also, I noticed a bug a few weeks ago that apparently some are still having
15:02:34jhMikeSsitting down of course...don't want any mishaps
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15:03:15chrisjs169_sometimes it seems like Rockbox doesn't read the battery level properly, saying 0% with a few hundred thousand hours of run time left
15:05:00jhMikeSyes, battery life has improved somewhat
15:07:14chrisjs169_yes, but it's reading something completely inaccurate (eg. OF says battery is 75% full, Rockbox says it's 0% with 325204 hours and 52 minutes of run time left)
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15:08:03chrisjs169_which, according to two people on ABi, has caused Divide by 0 errors
15:08:31bordyheyo folks. If I were to put rockbox on my 6th gen 30 gig ipod and it didnt work out, could I reset it to the default?
15:11:05bordyoh nm, I found the answer
15:11:07bordysorry to bother ya
15:12:00jhMikeSchrisjs169_: I haven't seen it myself. I'm just guessing but could be a problem reading the ADC. Perhaps the time would also show incorrectly.
15:13:08chrisjs169_jhMikeS: I'm not sure about the time, but I don't know of any way to reproduce the error
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15:17:58JdGordonjhMikeS: the sh test you did.. it was the player right? is tagcache enabled for it?
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15:19:19jhMikeSJdGordon: it seems so
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15:19:54JdGordonok, then i found where tthe 500bytes comes from.. the tagcache debug menu was only for bmplcd for some reason
15:20:03JdGordoncouuld you check on a rec please?
15:24:25Nick_Brackleyhas anyone experienced problems using the current database?
15:25:57jhMikeSJdGordon: -32 bytes
15:31:06pondlifeNick_Brackley: What sort of problems?
15:34:01Nick_Brackleysorry for the lack of clarity. The database will initialize and on restart it only gets to 1 out of 8 on commiting it. Going to the database menu asks to initialize agian. The target is an iriver h300 using current svn 13852
15:35:16pondlifeHmm, maybe delete *.tcd from your H300 and and do a CHKDSK /F ?
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15:35:58pondlifeI've not updated my build today (yet), but I initialised 2 days ago, and I don't see any relevant mods.
15:36:34Nick_Brackleyhave done both several times, the bug has been in svn for at least a few days as i have had this problem using the latest build for the last couple of days
15:36:55Nick_Brackleywhich player do you have?
15:37:30pondlifeSo you can't even start up Rockbox now?
15:37:56Nick_Brackleyi can use rockbox with no issues, i just cannot use the database
15:38:29pondlifeSo when you restart it displays step 1 of 8, then goes through to the menu without steps 2-8, right?
15:39:23pondlifeWhat do you see if you go into System > Debug > View database info ?
15:40:29*JdGordon suggsest updating to the very latest build to make that screen look nicer
15:40:52pondlifeAh, I might have to, to understand Nick's report :)
15:41:24Nick_BrackleyInitialized: Yes, DB Ready: No, RAM Cache: No, RAM: 0/0 B, Progress: 0% (0 entries), Commit step: 0, Commit delayed: No
15:41:42pondlifeMine (old format) says Yes-Yes-Yes-1057752/1090904-0% (0)-0-No
15:42:03pondlifeOK so I have mine in RAM, you don't.
15:42:18pondlifeMaybe configure yours to be in RAM?
15:42:20Nick_Brackleyi have it set to use ram
15:42:37Nick_Brackleyi have tried both, to no avail
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15:43:17pondlifeI have "Load to RAM: Yes" and "Auto Update: No"
15:43:35Nick_Brackleyi have tried with those settings and it still failed
15:43:59pondlifeHave you got much free space left on your HD?
15:44:53Nick_Brackley4.25GB free
15:45:18pondlifeI've got 3MB free!
15:45:34Nick_Brackleyall music?
15:45:42pondlifeWhat happens if you go into the Initialise now option, then back into the Debug screen?
15:45:53pondlifeDoes it count up, or just sit there at 0/0 ?
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15:46:04Nick_Brackleyit counts
15:46:22Nick_Brackleyalthough if i try it after i reboot it sits at 0/0
15:46:30hcshas there been any big change in codecs lately? my gbs test isn't working anymore (not even hitting metadata.c)
15:46:35pondlifeOK, and at the end, does it say Commit delayed: Yes, or does it count through commit steps then
15:46:51pondlifeAh - have you enabled dircache too?
15:47:03Nick_Brackleyunless i delete the .tcd files
15:47:23Nick_Brackleyit says commit delayed: yes
15:47:35Nick_Brackleyi have dircache enabled
15:48:07pondlifeI'll update to the current build and give it a go. Perhaps you could pop a report on Flyspray and attach your config.cfg?
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15:49:20Nick_Brackleyi have already put a report on flyspray, is it possible to edit and attach config.cfg
15:49:38pondlifeJust add a new comment and attach there.
15:49:43pondlifeWhat's the number?
15:54:31Nick_Brackleyok i added the file
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15:55:51Nick_Brackleyi recently backed up my pc to my player, is it possible that all these new files/file types have contributed to this, i am willing to remove them for debuging purposes
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16:01:21pondlifeNick_Brackley: Might be easier to do a downgrade to the oldest daily build and see if that helps.
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16:01:55pondlifeWill try your config and do a re-init now.
16:05:17pondlifeNice background colour by the way... :)
16:06:11Nick_Brackley_1lol keeping it simple
16:06:48pondlifeOK, I deleted my own *.tcd, then loaded your config, shut down and restarted clean. Now I've gone into Database and it's counting up. On about 4000/20000 at the moment.
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16:09:58pondlifeRight, commiting database
16:10:05hcsaha, it's a bug with the id3.c entry for WMA
16:10:39hcsneeds a double null terminator
16:10:45hcsshould I go ahead and fix that?
16:11:15hcs'k, we'll see if I remember my password
16:11:15pondlifeNick_Brackley_1: OK, I'm in, no reboot needed
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16:11:40Nick_Brackley_1so the database works?
16:12:00pondlifeNick_Brackley_1: Yes, fine. I only have MP3s though...
16:12:05pondlifeWhat formats do you use?
16:12:56pondlife(I'll try a reboot, and make sure it still works)
16:13:39Nick_Brackley_1all mp3's although as i recently backed up there is mp4 video, wmv, wma, avi, ogg on the player
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16:14:05pondlifeI wonder if the problem that hcs just found is also causing this?
16:14:21Nick_Brackley_1what was his problem?
16:14:21DerPapsti have no porblems on my ipod
16:14:29DerPapstincluding the gbs patch
16:14:32pondlifeWMA id3 parsing is slightly wrong
16:14:56DerPapstboo bad it isn't realtime yet :P
16:15:23Nick_Brackley_1is it possible to play .wma in rockbox yet? i noticed the codec files....
16:15:58Nick_Brackley_1i have tried on various wma with todays svn and all recieve an error
16:15:59DerPapsti even have some on my iPod...
16:16:01*DerPapst hides
16:16:15pondlifeDerPapst: Are you sure? I've heard 128k files are up to about 120% realtime on CF now..
16:16:27*pondlife goes looking for one
16:16:49DerPapstsure about what? that rockbox plays wma?
16:17:12DerPapstyes i'm pretty sure about that ;)
16:17:17Nick_Brackley_1yes, it just skips to the next file, and if i view the playlist it has (err) infront of the file
16:18:08DerPapstworks fine on the sim here too... odd.
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16:19:54Nick_Brackley_1i have been trying to play them for a couple of days and all have returned the same error
16:19:58hcsok, it's up, I fear there will be a +1 byte cost, though...
16:20:15pondlifeDerPapst: You said it was a pity it wasn't realtime yet..
16:20:22pondlife... but it is (allegedly).
16:20:29*DerPapst was talking about gbs :D
16:20:37pondlifeAh, sorry!
16:20:45DerPapstnp ;)
16:21:04hcsDerPapst: if you didn't put the gbs entry after the wma one you won't notice the issue
16:21:31PaulJamis a dev who uses the random folder feature here?
16:22:27DerPapsthad to manually patch id3.c and and one .h file (don't remember) and i also don't remember the order of the entries ;)
16:23:06hcsDerPapst: yeah, the patch had gone out of sync, so your decision there would have affected the outcome
16:24:04DerPapstheh.. lucky me :P
16:24:46DerPapsti'm pretty sure i put the gbs entry before the wma one ;)
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16:29:23hcshm, guess it cost a few more due to alignment... odd that the ondio went down, though
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16:30:26hcsjust noise, I guess. ah well, time to run to work (this took longer than "apply the patch" which I had planned on...)
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16:32:09toedis there a way to go below the minimum volume? if I go below -57db on my ipod the sound cuts out, but it's still too loud at -57 :/
16:32:51markuntoed: it's possible in software
16:32:56markunone moment
16:33:50markunyou could enable the equalizer and then set the 'precut'
16:34:33toedI'll give that a try
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16:35:58toedthat did the trick, thanks
16:36:05markunno problem
16:36:21markunbut enabling the software EQ will reduce the runtime a bit
16:36:21dionoeaon mine sound is still clearly audible at -58db (the minimum which makes it show a mute icon)
16:37:01dionoeaah, seems to be due to a positive treble setting
16:37:32toedwhat do you mean by runtime?
16:39:06markuntoed: the time you can play music before you have to recharge
16:40:34PaulJammarkun: do you really think there is a noticeable change in runtime if you only change the precut?
16:41:21markunPaulJam: well, it's and extra multiply for every sample, but I don't know for sure if it's noticeable
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16:44:16PaulJambtw, that reminds me of something i wanted to ask: wouldnt it make more sense if the pregain setting for replaygain would only affet files that do NOT have replaygain tags?
16:48:04GodEater_is it too early to start a countdown to devconpub ? ;)
16:49:59low_lightCan someone answer an arm asm question? I'm disassembling.
16:50:21pixelmapondlife: my few WMAs (all 128kbps) play at slightly over 140% runtime
16:50:30pixelmaon M5
16:52:43markunpixelma: runtime or real-time?
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16:53:18pixelmaheh - realtime, of course :/
16:54:42pondlifeHmm, I made my own WMA and it seems to lock the player... and not play in the sim :/
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16:55:01pondlifeCould I have accidentally DRMed it?
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16:55:24*pondlife hunts for a pin
16:56:01Nick_Brackley_1that brings back many memories.....
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16:56:21pondlifeYep, first pin I've needed in quite a while
16:56:26GodEater_accidentally DRM'd
16:56:29GodEater_that's a good one
16:56:49pondlifeAnyone fancy trying the file? saratoga? linuxstb?
16:57:07Nick_Brackley_1i will
16:57:18Nick_Brackley_1if i can get wma to play at all that is
16:57:33pondlifeProbably best if a WMA/ASF dev looks at it...
16:57:37pondlifeNo offence intended :)
16:57:50Nick_Brackley_1sorry, new here and very eager
16:58:27pondlifeCodec is reported as "Windows Media Audio 9 Professional 128 kbps, 44 kHz, 2 channel 24 bit 1-pass CBR"
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16:58:47pondlifeAnyone know what bit of that isn't supported?
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16:59:36pondlifeFile is at"> if that helps.
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17:01:38PaulJamisn't wma pro something different from wma?
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17:02:16pondlifePaulJam: No idea, I just did the n00b thing and went with the defaults.
17:02:36pondlifeI'll try a WMA amateur encoding instead ;)
17:02:46GodEater_Does RBUtil handle H1x0 installs ?
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17:04:30low_lightcan someone help me understand this simple (?) asm block. I don't understand what the first 2 shifts accomplish:
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17:08:17Avesay, is it possible to crack open 1st gen nano and add/replace the memory chips within? I'd assume yes, but where are the limits?
17:09:01Aveassuming you could get the exact chips required in any given size, how much would the hardware support, and how much would rb/apple sw support
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17:15:21pondlifeOK, the WMA-non-pro version works on both sim and H340.
17:15:55Nick_Brackleyis it possible to get your test file?
17:16:50pondlifeThe one that doesn't work?
17:16:58pondlifeYes, it's on the llink above
17:17:02pondlifelink, eveb
17:17:06pondlifeeven, even :)
17:17:29Nick_Brackleythe one that does work, so far i cant get any wma to play, just want a known working file
17:17:36pondlifeOK, hang on a mo
17:18:38PaulJamNick_Brackley: if you have a standard windows installation, there are maybe some wmas that should work in the "my music" folder.
17:18:53pondlifeOr try"> - but ignore the "singing".
17:18:56Nick_Brackleyonly linux sorry
17:19:30Nick_Brackleylol no problem
17:20:01midkaywhy won't it work.
17:20:04midkayi want to hear the singing!
17:20:04pondlifeRockboxed.wps needs an update for WMA though.
17:20:25pondlifeProbably my 128k connection
17:20:28Nick_Brackleyok i will use the default until then
17:20:30pondlifeAnd a 2MB file
17:20:38midkaypondlife: is it your singing voice?
17:20:49pondlifeYes, kind of.
17:21:01midkayseriously, it's YOU? *ecstatic*
17:21:09midkayHTTP 403.9 - Access Forbidden: Too many users are connected
17:21:09Nick_Brackleyi cant access the file
17:21:09midkayInternet Information Services
17:21:16midkaya mad rush to hear pondlife singing
17:21:26pondlifeYes, I'm only allowing 2 connections
17:21:36pondlifeAt 128k you can't be too fussy.
17:21:48pondlifeNick_Brackley: Did you get a copy?
17:22:25pondlifeSuppose I could pop it on your FS report, but that's getting a bit egomaniacal.
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17:22:54midkaypondlife: is not! everyone wants to hear this.
17:22:56Nick_Brackleylol u know u want to.....
17:23:02midkayif you put it up on the FS, we could link it in the topic even!
17:23:22midkayin fact, it's going in the topic as soon as i manage to get a copy of it. i'll put it on my own webspace if necessary. :D
17:23:33pondlifeNo... I can't justify the waste of Rockbox expensive bandwidth...
17:23:44pondlifemidkay: Please no
17:23:50midkayjust kidding. :)
17:23:52Nick_Brackleyfair enough i suppose
17:24:02*pondlife sweats profusely
17:24:03midkayi'd like to hear it though!
17:24:25midkaywould it drive you crazy if it were in the topic? like, would you be insanely upset? ... ;)
17:24:45*GodEater_ completes updating all his DAPs to the latest version of rockbox. Very important he feels for any sort of credibility at tonight's gathering.
17:24:46pondlifeEspecially as I won't be around for the next 2 days to enjoy the attention
17:24:59dionoeamaybe it won't be enjoyable :)
17:25:02PaulJamwhy only the topic? maybe it could be used as backgroundmusic for the main page.
17:25:03midkayi'd promise to save it all into one neat little text file for when you return..!
17:25:10midkayPaulJam: hahaha.
17:25:11pondlifedionoea: It will still be logged :(
17:25:57pondlifeAh, midkay - try again downloading.. I was also sending a big e-mail
17:26:12*GodEater_ will mirror too ;)
17:26:45midkayGodEater_: excellent, and we can use the build system's script as a template to distribute the network load across our own servers.. we'll be all set for when it hits slashdot!
17:27:36pondlifeBack on topic, should the WPS codec (%fc) enum work in the same order as the audio_formats table in id3.c ?
17:27:49midkaypondlife: still no go :\
17:28:09Nick_Brackleypondlife: fixed the database trouble i was experiencing before, it was due to the pc backup files as i suspected. after i deleted them and reint'd all worked perfectly. This may be worth a look at..... will try to trouble shoot that file that was causing the problem
17:29:02Nick_Brackleymay take a while though, was 20Gb in that dir....
17:29:25GodEater_midkay: just bittorrent it ;)
17:29:25pondlifeBig ol' binary search..
17:29:30pixelmapondlife: the %fc tag already works and I believe it was already adapted to have wma in it at least the CustomWPS wiki says so
17:29:44pondlifeYes, but the WPSs need updating
17:29:55midkayGodEater_: haha.
17:30:16pondlifeWould be better to use a tag that provides the codec name as a string, maybe.
17:30:21pixelmapondlife: the rockboxed one needs to because it uses its own text in the enum just to have it spelled lowercase
17:30:52pixelmaa plain %fc (without enumeration part)does that
17:31:30pondlifeHmm, better to allow a bit of uppercase than need updating for new codecs, maybe?
17:31:41pixelmathe codec is spelled uppercase then
17:31:55pondlifeThe codec table has them in lowercase.
17:32:52pixelmaI use %fc in my own wps and it reads "WMA"
17:32:59pondlifeAnd id3_get_codec doesn't uppercase it...
17:33:07pondlifeWonder where that happens then
17:33:34pixelmamaybe in the wps parser and related
17:33:47pondlifeTh only difference ought to be "???" vs "unknown"
17:34:24pondlifeAnd I would prefer "(unknown)" myself
17:34:48pixelmabut ??? is more international... :)
17:34:54pondlifeGood point!
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17:36:34saratogapondlife: I like broken wma files
17:36:43pondlifeShall I mail it to you?
17:37:00pondlifeMy local IIS is under attack ;)
17:37:16saratogathough WMA pro isn't supported
17:37:21saratogasince its closer to AAC then WMA
17:37:53chrisjs169|bblwhat's the chance of the Sansa Express being supported by Rockbox?
17:38:09markunchrisjs169|bbl: about 24.3%
17:38:25saratogachrisjs169|bbl: what hardware is it based on?
17:38:59Nick_Brackleypondlife: if possible could i get a mailed copy of the working wma?
17:39:02pixelmapondlife: I wouldn't mind if the rockboxed WPSs would use "%fc" only - would be more flexible. But I don't know what the original author would want...
17:39:16saratogaNick_Brackley: which wma is this?
17:39:20saratogawhat did I miss?
17:39:33markunNick_Brackley: why do you care about wma so much if you use linux and have no way of encoding them anyway?
17:39:34chrisjs169|bblsaratoga: I'm not sure - I have a copy of the firmware the SE uses if that'd help
17:40:08saratogachrisjs169|bbl: hard to say what the odds of a port are if we don't know what the hardware is
17:40:28Nick_Brackleyfriends have wma and we swap music and such
17:40:33markunchrisjs169|bbl: do you have one to open up?
17:40:46saratogai think ABI already did a teardown
17:41:05pondlifesaratoga: I tried encoding my first WMA, read the logs about 4pm
17:41:07chrisjs169|bblmarkun: yeah, IIRC ABI has pics of one opened up
17:41:17saratogapondlife: what settings?
17:41:32markunNick_Brackley: I think this one should work:
17:41:34pondlifeWMA Pro CBR 128k
17:41:57pondlifeThe "Pro" bit seems to be the killer, is that a DRM thing?
17:42:12pondlifeI wouldn't mind, but it locks up my H340 when I play it.
17:42:12Nick_Brackleymarkun: thankyou
17:42:18saratogano Pro is a completely different codec
17:42:34saratogano relation to the standard codec most people call "WMA"
17:42:49pondlifeOK, so we should just fail to play, but not lockup or die attempting.
17:43:18saratogapondlife: whats the correct way to abort decoding from inside a plugin?
17:43:25saratogajust return -1 ?
17:43:31pondlifeNot sure, sorry.
17:43:47pondlifeSearch for "codec failure" and work backwards?
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17:44:04saratogai can just check the codec id field during init
17:44:13saratogajust not sure what to do if i find out its a PRo file
17:44:16saratogawill look into it
17:45:24markunNick_Brackley: does it work?
17:46:12Nick_Brackleymarkun: yes thankyou
17:46:44Nick_Brackleymine will lockup if it has a wma as the only filetype in a playlist, if there is an mp3 in the list it seems to skip to the mp3s, not sure if this is true for wma pro though
17:47:22saratogawell WMA Pro is detected as WMAv2 right now, so it should always lock up unless linuxstb has done some of my work for me
17:47:42saratogafortunately no one uses WMA Pro, so hopefully not too many people noticed
17:47:49*pondlife did :p
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17:51:43saratogacan't see much, but they mention that its a TI chip
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17:54:10chrisjs169|bblsaratoga: that's for the connect, not the SE
17:54:35chrisjs169|bbli wasn't really planning on starting a port, just asking since people over at ABI are wondering
17:54:55*chrisjs169|bbl will give them a link to the NewPort wiki article
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17:58:58peturfunny that that antenna shape in the case is fake...
17:59:32aliaskDamn annoying if you ask me...
17:59:52jhMikeSGodEater_: Saw the asm fragment. It appears to me to divide a signed value by 8 while rounding towards 0. (Did I get it? :)
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18:11:26jhMikeSlow_light: excuse me, God_Eater_ posted right before you and I messed up :p
18:12:03amiconnsaratoga: Speaking about wma - is there any chance to support wma lossless as well?
18:12:34dionoeathat's not documentated AFAIK
18:13:12amiconnJust asking out of curiosity
18:13:46dionoeawell unless he reverse engineers it i doubt that it's possible (I'm might be wrong)
18:13:54dionoeaffmpeg doesn't handle it
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18:32:49pondlifeminor splittage indeed
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18:34:15illmatixoh yeah!
18:34:25illmatixwhos got a iriver h10
18:34:42*Arathis has
18:34:57illmatixdid you use rockbox on it?
18:35:18illmatixI had it on my h10 in feb and i would have problems with it randomly increasing in volumn and heating up.
18:36:04Arathistried using a current build and bootloader?
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18:38:11illmatixi haven't updated since feb because of that problem and the sketchy scroller
18:39:55pondlifeGodEater: I'm not going to make it to DevConPub, but hopefully there will be another one soon enough. Enjoy a pint for me..!
18:40:07pondlife(For me, not on me. ;p)
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18:41:01knix_Hello all. slight problem. I formatted my ipod with windows and now I can restore it to original. Is there a way just to install rockbox on there without apple crap?
18:41:12saratogai looked briefly into wma lossless, but couldn't find anything
18:41:37saratogai would liked to have supported it, but I don't think its possible, at least until someone comes up with a codec or specification
18:42:40saratogaknix_: I don't think you need the apple software installed to put rockbox on
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18:43:12knix_Ok. well i have a fresh ipod video with nothing on it. How do I get rockbox on there?
18:43:14saratogaunless you messed with the partitions, the ipodpatcher should work
18:43:20saratogaat least thats my understanding
18:43:28saratogafollow the instructions int he manual
18:43:30knix_ipodcatcher doesnt see it anymore. But windows does
18:43:59saratogathen you probably messed with the paritions or whatever ipod patcher uses to detect it
18:44:18saratogayou could probably just follow the mac install instructions that show how to reformat the ipod as fat32
18:44:23knix_I know. i formatted it
18:44:24saratogaor else restore it with itunes
18:44:46knix_ya. my work is blocking itunes url and all
18:44:57knix_Ill have to do it later. Thanks
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18:59:17saratogapondlife: I put in a check for WMA Pro. If youg et a chance, try that file and see if it still crashes
18:59:30pondlifeWill do
19:01:13PaulJamhmm, "Build should have been done 116m 50s ago"?
19:01:46Bagderlocal clock not set?
19:02:02Bagderit looks fine for me
19:02:11saratogai love that counter
19:02:23saratogagives me something to do whiel I wait to see if I broke coldfire builds
19:02:24Bagderall the glory to dionoea for that one
19:02:39PaulJamoh, propably because i use the wrong timezone (otherwie i have problems with the coexistene of linux and windows)
19:02:43Bagderand I like it a lot as well
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19:03:08BagderPaulJam: that's probably it then
19:03:42pondlifesaratoga: Coldfire still compiles ok I think...
19:04:48saratogaok done
19:05:46amiconnBagder: The build counter + refresh sometimes causes an odd effect:
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19:06:35amiconnIf the build is overdue, the script refreshes every ~10 seconds. Most of the time it doesn't refresh the table header images, as expect
19:06:54dionoeaBagder: do HTTP headers mention the date on the server? (If yes i could try using that to correct clock offsets in the js code)
19:07:05amiconnBut sometimes it does, as if the server doesn't send the proper expires: header
19:08:04amiconnIf that happens, even a manual refresh doesn't help.
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19:09:24*DerPapst has the same problem as amiconn.
19:09:50Bagderthe images shouldn't reload
19:09:58Bagdersince they should be cached by the browser
19:10:14amiconnBut *sometimes* they do
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19:11:17*amiconn wonders what's up with the build
19:11:39BagderI don't see how the js nor the images are to blame for that sometimes
19:12:01BagderI'll run some livehttpheaders later on and see
19:12:11amiconnI wonder whether it's the server, or the browser
19:12:14DerPapstthe images relaoded for me too.
19:12:20amiconnCould also be a ff bug
19:12:33amiconnDoesn't happen atm, but did happen yesterday
19:12:38*DerPapst is on ff as well
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19:12:55Bagderpossibly that's caused by the particular js function call used
19:13:02DerPapstit happend twice today. on different pcs
19:13:14DerPapstwith an 1.5.x version of ff
19:13:20amiconn2.0.0.4 here
19:14:42pondlifesaratoga: Yes, the WMA Pro file now gives the expected codec failure
19:15:20dionoeaBagder: is it passing true as agrument to reload() ?
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19:51:31knix_alright. Im having one hell of a time install rockbox on the vid ipod. I follow directions and it still doesnt work
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19:52:26knix_does the ipod need to be in disk mode when creating the boot loader and transferring .rockbox over?
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20:06:43saratogaknix_: yes, disk mode is the only way you can use USB with the ipod
20:06:49saratogawhen its not in disk mode the USB port is powered down
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20:35:23knix_Ok, i got it installed. Now, how do I turn it off. Holding play doesnt do it.
20:36:36knix_Please, anyone?
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20:37:13saratogahave you checked the manual?
20:37:16saratogaits probably in there
20:37:20saratogai think all the button stuff is
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20:41:28knix_yes i checked the manual. But it's not working for me
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20:41:59saratogawhat did the manual say?
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20:43:50knix_press and hold the play button. I held it for a minute straight
20:44:58saratogamake sure hold is really off?
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20:45:25knix_yup, I dont even mess with hold
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20:53:55pixelmayou can force a reboot with menu+select but holding play should work
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20:54:21belze_hey, did anyone yet try to replace the irivers hdd with a ssd ( ?
20:54:32belze_would make it a georgeous player
20:54:39peturnot that I know
20:54:47belze_finally you can go jogging without having to worry about the hdd
20:54:48peturalso $$$
20:55:23peturbut the interface is standard so it should work
20:55:36belze_yeah, i think so, too
20:55:44belze_power consumption should be even lower
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21:07:59belze_hmm, and what about using a cf-card with an adapter?
21:08:13belze_way cheaper and also does the trick
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21:13:08peturway smaller...
21:14:58belze_should be worth a try
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21:49:23amiconndan_a: How's performace on G3 now?
21:50:33dan_aamiconn: It seems good - the main difference I noticed was that WMA played without skipping. It also carried on playing (MP3s) until the battery ran out without hanging
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21:52:38dan_aWell done on finding out how to run the clock at full speed :D
21:52:43amiconnI will do some more research, and the clean up that code, replacing the ipl leftovers with proper register macros
21:52:55amiconnI will also go for 80MHz in that cleanup
21:53:16amiconnMaybe some more PP5002 tests are required during the research
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21:53:43dan_aI'll happily do them
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21:55:35amiconnHow is battery life on G3, btw? Also in comparison to OF - if you ever tested that
21:56:41dan_aI've never tested either - I don't use it for more than about 1 hour without pluigging it in to a power supply
21:57:10dan_a(apart from today when I left it running in my car by accident)
21:57:50dan_aI'll do a proper test one evening
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21:58:03amiconnYou could even try 90MHz now
21:58:52amiconn90MHz might cause too much heat when running at that speed continuously
22:00:07dan_aBut with scaling on it should be OK, no?
22:01:04amiconnI think so, unless you're trying a codec which can't cope (e.g. ape at higher compression levels)
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22:02:40wrecked_ipodis anyone here?
22:03:10dan_awrecked_ipod: Some people are, yes
22:03:26dan_aHow can we help?
22:03:31amiconnIf 90MHz cause too much heat, the only way to use 90MHz boosted speed would be to track average cpu speed, and limit the time it is running at full speed
22:03:51amiconn(some kind of "blind" thermal throttling)
22:04:44dan_aThat would put more work into the boosting code, which is nice and simple at the moment.
22:05:27amiconnBut somehow I expect it to work, given the fact that the PP5002 specs say 90MHz
22:06:24amiconnThe ipod might get a bit warm (which also applies e.g. to the mini G1 running at full 75MHz and disk running) and drain the battery quite fast, but it shouldn't crash
22:06:28wrecked_ipodguys im in a shit situation here.. my friends ipod is not playinf any songs through itunes, instead theres an exclamation mark on the left
22:06:29dan_aThe OF doesn't run it faster than 75MHz, does it?
22:06:43wrecked_ipoddoes anyone know if these songs can be recovered?
22:07:26amiconnI'm not sure. The apple loader prepares the PLL for 75MHz, but the clock change routine calculates arbitrary pll settings
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22:09:05amiconnIt limits the input parameter to fall between 2 global vars, and the lower limit is 24000 (the parameter is in kHz), but I have no idea what the upper limit is
22:09:05dan_awrecked_ipod: Possibly, if you can copy the (hidden) Ipod_Control folder onto a computer. That has all the music in it. But talk in here should be relevant to Rockbox
22:09:48amiconn(of course there's a special case for 32kHz)
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22:10:40dan_aRunning at 32kHz isn't fun - I've set the clock to that on the Sansa before...
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22:12:54amiconnIt's meant for deep sleep, and several things need to be prepared for this to work
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22:13:38amiconnThe sdram won't lose its contents but isn't accessible, so the sleep & wakeup code must reside in iram
22:14:22amiconnThere are dozens of unknown registers (or unknown bits in registers) involved
22:15:14dan_aThat doesn't sound like fun.
22:16:29dan_aWould it be better to change the frequency scaling to use one of the fixed frequency clocks (IIRC, there are 24, 30 and 66MHz clock sources) and the PLL instead of switching between two PLL frequencies?
22:16:33pfarmerhi all, I've got a 1st gen ipod nano at "Data abort at 40001404", how do I shut it down, I've tried holding down the "Play/Pause" butten
22:16:38Domonoky_the OF probably powers down many things in the chip befor going to deep sleep, so those unkown register / bits could be interessting for power savings.
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22:17:26Domonoky_pfarmer: hold menü+select
22:17:36amiconndan_a: There are only two fixed frequencies which are guaranteed to be there - 32kHz and 24MHz
22:18:06amiconnThe H10 seems to have 16MHz and 33MHz as well, but the ipods (PP5020+) don't
22:18:18pfarmerDomonoky_: thanks, thats done it :)
22:18:39dan_aamiconn: That will explain why I couldn't make that work on the Sansa, then!
22:18:41amiconnWe could use the additional dividers though, leaving the PLL at fixed clock
22:19:06amiconnBut that's not really flexible
22:20:13dan_aIt would be faster though, wouldn't it? So reduce the cost of boosting/unboosting? And we're not very flexible at the moment
22:21:07amiconnYes, but other targets (e.g. coldfire) won't have this quick boost/unboost. SO we would have to introduce lots of ifdefing
22:21:55amiconnI will try to do something different though: Keep the normal boost/umboost way, but put the cpu on idle clock while sleeping
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22:23:26dan_aI'd assumed that putting the CPU to sleep made it use the lowest clock
22:24:27amiconnI'm not sure whether PP does this, but I doubt it. The clock source is shared between cores, but you can sleep individual cores
22:25:02amiconnSleep is probably like the halt instruction on other cpus
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22:25:42amiconnThe SH1 also has sleep which lowers power consumption significantly, but it runs from fixed clock...
22:26:29dan_aHave you happened to come across anything which suggests how to run the COP slower than the main core (as I understand is possible)?
22:26:41amiconnYou mean clock skipping?
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22:27:10amiconnNot yet, but it might be that some of the unknown bits in CPU_CTL/COP_CTL have to do with that
22:27:57amiconnWe only know _one_ bit of those registers - and there are at least 11 other bits which are used (on PP5020+)
22:28:37amiconnOn PP5002 it's similar (at least 8 used bits)
22:28:38dan_aOne of those bits seems to be set when changing clock speeds
22:29:08amiconnNot on ipods
22:29:16amiconn(except for 32kHz mode)
22:29:44amiconnThe main clock change routine on PP5020+ doesn't touch those registers except for 32kHz mode
22:30:08amiconnChecked ipod mini (G1/G2), ipod color, and ipod video OF
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22:35:28saratogadan_a: i've been trying to figure out why I cannot get the profile builds to work properly on ARM
22:35:40saratogahave you tried recently?
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22:36:48dan_asaratoga: The only time I ever made a profile build was when someone told me I'd broken them on ARM...
22:37:03saratogais there anyone i should ask about it?
22:37:09saratogai used to be able to do them
22:37:18saratogabut at some point this year they stopped working for me
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22:37:57dan_aI don't know who the expert is. They are fairly tightly tied into the scheduler, IIRC. I'll have a look and see what I can find
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22:39:41saratogadan_a: for what its worth, the build works fine, but I got no output
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22:44:11dan_asaratoga: I can't build a profile build for the G3, but that's a linking problem not code... I'm just having a look at what's changed. Any idea what the last working revision you had was?
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22:45:01saratogadan_a: unfortunately I last tried it in September
22:45:08Infinoidhas anyone here tried to upgrade the harddrive of an iaudio X5? :)
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22:45:33belze_Infinoid: is it 1,8" or 2,5"?
22:45:41Infinoidits 1.8"
22:46:28Infinoidmine is the 60GB version, it has a Toshiba MK6006GAH inside. (a fact which I wanted to put on the wiki, because it only has the model number for the 20GB version, but it said I should come here and beg for permissions.)
22:46:46InfinoidI'm going to try swapping it out for a 100GB MK1011GAH
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22:47:21amiconnThe MK1011GAH won't fit, it has the wrong connector
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22:48:05peturthe best you can get is 80GB
22:48:06Infinoidah :) I had asked Toshiba tech support about that, and was waiting for the answer before I actually ordered one
22:48:26peturMK8007GAH - available on ebay atm
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22:51:06peturInfinoid: re wiki permission, give us your wikiname and we'll give ;)
22:51:30InfinoidMarkGlines, but I have nothing to contribute but my current hard drive model (yet)
22:52:35dan_asaratoga: No idea, I'm afraid
22:53:14Infinoidhmm. "Samsung announces 1.8-inch 120GB disk". but they don't actually have it yet.
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22:53:37peturInfinoid: wiki access has been arranged ;)
22:55:12peturInfinoid: all new drives will probably have a ZIF connector so not compatible...
22:56:04Infinoidthanks for the tip. if its just the connector, maybe I can wire something up
22:56:08amiconnWe need adapters...
22:57:00amiconnInfinoid: You can try, but be aware that there's very little room for an adapter, and the ZIF connector has a pin spacing of 1mm, staggered in 2 rows
22:57:03peturInfinoid: there's a link at the bottom for the wiring of an adapter
22:57:24petur(a pdf)
22:58:39Infinoida link at the bottom of what?
22:58:56peturthat wiki page about harddrives...
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23:00:13Infinoidah, thanks. I was trying to find it on the iaudio pages.
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