| 00:00:02 | amiconn | Otherwise gcc picks the __GNUC__ code below, which adds 1336 bytes to the resulting codec |
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| 00:00:31 | linuxstb | Although I'm not sure if it's that big an issue - the supporting files (bitstream.[ch], bswap.h etc) aren't that important. It's wmadeci.c that would be nice to donate back to ffmpeg. |
| 00:00:34 | stripwax | Rbutil Error : Failed to display HTML document in UTF-8 encoding |
| 00:00:37 | stripwax | not a great start! |
| 00:00:51 | stripwax | (just hitting Autodetect) |
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| 00:01:17 | amiconn | linuxstb: My changes only touch bswap.h, bitstream.h (single line), ffmpeg_config.h, and now the Makefile |
| 00:02:31 | stripwax | Clicked on install bootloader, got "Unsupported Bootloader install method". |
| 00:02:32 | linuxstb | Then IMO it's not worth worrying about. But saratoga's done most of the work on the decoder itself, I've just been working on the ASF layer and Rockbox integration. |
| 00:02:53 | stripwax | Details said "The Bootloader has been installed on your device. Unsupported Bootloader Install method". |
| 00:03:13 | stripwax | You're right. It's not really clear what's going on, even if you just click the button |
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| 00:03:40 | dan_a | As far as installation instructions go, I would replicate section 2 in its entirety for installation on Windows, Linux and MacOS, and try to give less choices in the install instructions. |
| 00:04:01 | stripwax | It also preselects the wrong directory for the connected device. That should be automatic (especially if Autodetection seems to work) |
| 00:04:03 | linuxstb | stripwax; I think we would want to get rbutil to the stage where we just tell users to download it and follow the onscreen instructions. |
| 00:04:10 | stripwax | yep, definitely |
| 00:05:16 | linuxstb | dan_a: section 2 is the part that talks about the different available builds? |
| 00:05:40 | stripwax | weird, rbutil is faster at unzipping that windows zip ;-) |
| 00:05:49 | stripwax | unzipping a build and copying to device that is |
| 00:06:04 | DanHibiki | linuxstb: with the latest build, almost every time i try to boot rockbox i get this .rockbox directory not found message, the few times it booted properly, i tried to play some songs with no luck |
| 00:06:33 | linuxstb | DanHibiki: I assume you're not the only Nano owner using a recent build, so it's very odd... |
| 00:06:47 | dan_a | linuxstb: Section 2 is the entire installation instructions. I know that it's only the bootloader install that differs for the 3 OSs, but the simpler the instructions look, the less scary they will be |
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| 00:07:42 | webguest06 | Hello again people, i have succesfully installed Rockbox on my Ipod :) now how do i put my music back on it? |
| 00:07:47 | linuxstb | dan_a: OK, so have an "Install from Windows" chapter, an "Install from Mac OS X" chapter, and a "Install from Linux/Unix" chapter. |
| 00:07:48 | DanHibiki | linuxstb: i find it odd too, but it is happening =( |
| 00:08:29 | stripwax | webguest06 - copy it |
| 00:08:30 | DanHibiki | got corrupted folder name, recpresets became rdcpresets |
| 00:08:32 | stripwax | drag + drop |
| 00:08:47 | DanHibiki | i'm gonna try 2007-07-02 now |
| 00:09:00 | linuxstb | webguest06: Do you still want to use the original Apple firmware on your ipod? |
| 00:09:06 | webguest06 | Dont mean to be an idiot, but drag and drop from where? and to where? |
| 00:09:18 | webguest06 | I dont know, acan i do that and still play the cool games? |
| 00:10:07 | stripwax | from your PC onto your ipod |
| 00:10:19 | stripwax | windows explorer |
| 00:10:21 | webguest06 | into itunes? or can i not use itunes anymore? |
| 00:10:25 | stripwax | or My Computer, or whatever |
| 00:10:45 | stripwax | if your music was already copied on using itunes, then it's still on your ipod, you don't need to copy it over again |
| 00:10:51 | stripwax | it's still there |
| 00:11:03 | webguest06 | oh ok lol how to i access it? |
| 00:11:11 | stripwax | Did you read the manual at all? |
| 00:11:22 | Soul-Slayer | Settings -> General Settings -> Database -> Initialise now |
| 00:11:23 | webguest06 | when i go database its says Not ready, want to initialize it now? |
| 00:11:24 | stripwax | Actually we get asked all these questions all the time so we wrote the manual to answer them |
| 00:11:27 | stripwax | :-) |
| 00:11:33 | Soul-Slayer | Yes, you do. |
| 00:11:41 | webguest06 | Oh great thanks |
| 00:11:47 | Soul-Slayer | Then restart when it's done and go into database again, all your old music will be there |
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| 00:12:21 | webguest06 | how long will it take approz to initialize? seconds? or hours ? lol |
| 00:12:53 | stripwax | maybe one minute or so |
| 00:13:01 | stripwax | probably less unless you have a lot of tunes |
| 00:13:13 | webguest06 | oh kk its working now |
| 00:13:17 | stripwax | webguest06 - what music format are you using? (mp3? aac?) |
| 00:13:26 | webguest06 | i have about 1500 tracks alogng with 4 films |
| 00:13:32 | webguest06 | mostly mp3 i ithink |
| 00:13:49 | webguest06 | im so sorry for the fuss im a complete noob at computers |
| 00:14:19 | stripwax | webguest06 - are you sure you're ready for Rockbox? ;-) |
| 00:14:22 | * | stripwax is joking of course |
| 00:14:29 | webguest06 | xD |
| 00:15:02 | webguest06 | honestly i dont know much about it, just today at school my friend showed me his, :) lots of cool stuff, including game Doom :) |
| 00:15:06 | stripwax | yes |
| 00:15:28 | amiconn | Hmm, wma shows the same weird boost behaviour as aac on coldfire :( |
| 00:15:40 | stripwax | hm, rbutil theme downloading doesn't work, apparently the downloaded zip has "the wrong directory structure". |
| 00:15:47 | amiconn | While it's now ~145% realtime, it stays 100% boosted during playback |
| 00:16:00 | stripwax | it's kinda unfriendly, I'll see what I can do |
| 00:16:00 | webguest06 | nice one :D all music works well |
| 00:16:07 | stripwax | great! |
| 00:16:09 | webguest06 | just 1 more question |
| 00:16:12 | stripwax | go for it |
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| 00:16:50 | webguest06 | when i click on artist then all tracks they arent in album order |
| 00:16:55 | webguest06 | anyway to fix this? |
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| 00:17:37 | webguest06 | oh okay, i just click on the album isntead of all tracks :D no worries thats great |
| 00:17:50 | webguest06 | strip waz and soul slayer thanks to you both :) |
| 00:17:57 | Soul-Slayer | No problems |
| 00:17:59 | webguest06 | wax* lol i swear my x key isnt working |
| 00:18:08 | stripwax | webguest06 - if you get a chance, spend some time on the manual, it's pretty good |
| 00:18:09 | stripwax | no worries |
| 00:18:14 | amiconn | Hmm, seems this happens only with voice enabled?? =:\ |
| 00:18:14 | webguest06 | ok |
| 00:18:19 | stripwax | you can call me strip waz if you like |
| 00:18:26 | Soul-Slayer | And the wiki if you're feeling adventurous |
| 00:18:44 | webguest06 | lol |
| 00:19:06 | webguest06 | are there any other cool things to do immediatly or do i have to install other programs to get Doom etc. |
| 00:19:40 | Soul-Slayer | You need a .wad file to play doom |
| 00:19:54 | bluebrother | well, rbutil can install that for you ;-) |
| 00:19:57 | Soul-Slayer | The shareware version and freedoom are accessable on the site somewhere I beleive |
| 00:20:02 | stripwax | webguest06 - again, read the manual, especially the section about plugins and games and applications |
| 00:20:11 | webguest06 | ok great thanks again |
| 00:20:19 | bluebrother | webguest06: check http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility and http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
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| 00:21:50 | * | stripwax doubletakes |
| 00:21:55 | webguest68 | hey guys its me, 06 - closed IRC by accident :P sorry |
| 00:22:12 | bluebrother | webguest68: we already noticed ;-) |
| 00:22:18 | amiconn | errrmmm |
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| 00:22:31 | amiconn | Python tracebacks aren't nice :/ |
| 00:22:36 | * | bluebrother likes IP masks |
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| 00:23:11 | * | petur wants the webirc client to use a stupid default nickname so more people would select a proper one |
| 00:23:26 | bluebrother | something like iamanidiot? |
| 00:23:34 | iamben | hey |
| 00:23:36 | petur | amiconn: using viewcvs? |
| 00:23:47 | | Part Infinoid |
| 00:23:52 | amiconn | Yes, viewvc is broken atm |
| 00:23:54 | stripwax | hehe |
| 00:23:56 | bluebrother | iamben: oops ;-) |
| 00:23:59 | * | amiconn pings Bagder |
| 00:24:14 | * | Bagder mrfms about bed time |
| 00:24:28 | Bagder | zagor is the poker of all things python |
| 00:24:51 | petur | no hurry, it's been broken all day I think |
| 00:24:54 | amiconn | python poker? |
| 00:25:16 | webguest68 | hey yet another noob question xD im on the manual looking at plugins and i see blackjack at the top but no link to get it |
| 00:25:22 | * | stripwax downloads wxwindows |
| 00:25:23 | webguest68 | how do i download it onto the ipod? |
| 00:25:32 | bluebrother | webguest68: you don't download it |
| 00:25:34 | Soul-Slayer | It's already there |
| 00:25:37 | stripwax | webguest68 - almost everything in the manual is ALREADY installed! |
| 00:25:37 | Soul-Slayer | They're all already there |
| 00:25:45 | bluebrother | everything described in the manual is part of a standard install |
| 00:25:50 | Soul-Slayer | Main menu -> Plugins -> Blackjack |
| 00:25:52 | stripwax | so just load the game and play it |
| 00:25:53 | webguest68 | oh rofl xD where are they hidden :P |
| 00:25:54 | stripwax | :-) |
| 00:25:55 | bluebrother | except otherwise noted (like the doom wad) |
| 00:25:56 | petur | echoes... |
| 00:26:01 | stripwax | Menu.. Plugins... |
| 00:26:06 | webguest68 | nice one |
| 00:26:07 | stripwax | seriously, read the manual .. |
| 00:26:10 | petur | rtfm... |
| 00:26:12 | bluebrother | well, if you read that chapter carefully it tells you at the top ... |
| 00:26:25 | stripwax | it's all in there. otherwise we'll be here all night telling you the same as just what's in the manual |
| 00:26:26 | webguest68 | my bad |
| 00:26:30 | stripwax | ok |
| 00:26:33 | * | bluebrother wonders how hard it could be to not find that information ... |
| 00:26:55 | webguest68 | lol i immediatly went for the list of games down the left side, didnt see top paragraph |
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| 00:27:14 | Soul-Slayer | On a totally unrelated note, could someone like make the gigabeat power calibration slightly more accurate? I keep thinking it's about to die when I have hours left, lol |
| 00:27:19 | stripwax | best to start at the top, and work downwards, in that order ;-) |
| 00:27:25 | bluebrother | might I suggest you spending 2 hours of concentrated reading with the manual and coming back with specific questions afterwards? |
| 00:27:27 | Soul-Slayer | Which file would handle that anyway? |
| 00:28:29 | webguest68 | ok well im off now, cya guys, thanks for help |
| 00:28:55 | PaulJam | Soul-Slayer: do you mean the remaining battery time estimation? |
| 00:29:38 | Soul-Slayer | Well, the % itself, it jumps from like 93% to 70%, and lingers on 0% for ages |
| 00:30:05 | PaulJam | ah, ok. then i have no idea. |
| 00:31:03 | stripwax | webguest68 - happy reading |
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| 00:31:54 | petur | Soul-Slayer: firmware/powermgmt.c would be a good place to start looking I think |
| 00:32:34 | Soul-Slayer | Very true |
| 00:32:36 | Soul-Slayer | Thanks |
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| 00:36:33 | amiconn | Soul-Slayer: If this happens, the scale needs calibration. You can help by running a battery runtime test as described here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginBatteryBenchmark |
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| 00:36:58 | Soul-Slayer | Been and done |
| 00:37:02 | Soul-Slayer | Added it to the wiki |
| 00:37:08 | amiconn | Then the table for percentage calculation in powermgmt.c can be calibrated with the result |
| 00:37:38 | petur | percent_to_volt_discharge[] |
| 00:37:50 | Soul-Slayer | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatRuntime Last entry was mine |
| 00:40:02 | petur | hmmm that voltage barely changed the last two hours |
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| 00:41:48 | Soul-Slaye1 | Not sure where my internet cut out then, but it stays on 0% for 2 hours or so and skips from 90 to 70 :$ |
| 00:42:52 | petur | the voltage barely changed the last two hours |
| 00:43:49 | Soul-Slaye1 | Kinda begs the question -why- |
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| 00:44:49 | * | stripwax needs to sleep, wxwindows takes way to long to build |
| 00:44:52 | stripwax | bye folks |
| 00:45:14 | Soul-Slaye1 | Sleep well |
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| 00:45:53 | dan_a | How would people feel about moving the installation instructions to something like http://www.weirdo.org.uk/rockbox-buildch2.html - the idea is to keep the existing clarity, but give less details of the options available. This makes the instructions shorter, and hopefully less scary looking |
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| 00:49:23 | Febs | I think that the installation instructions will be completely re-written once Rockbox Utility becomes the official installer, and they should be much more user friendly. |
| 00:49:48 | bluebrother | yeah ... rbutil will cause some changes. |
| 00:50:05 | dan_a | Of course |
| 00:50:28 | bluebrother | but I was thinking about some "expers" section −− maybe we should move them to some "experts only −− manual installation" section when time comes? |
| 00:50:45 | Dwyloc | amiconn: On the topic of battery meter calibration any reason why http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7216 has not been committed yet? |
| 00:51:14 | Dwyloc | As it helps quite alot on ipods. |
| 00:52:03 | dan_a | bluebrother: Why would people want to do a manual installation? (I've not used rbutil yet, so there could be really obvious reasons) |
| 00:52:35 | bluebrother | I'd just call it "more control" −− rbutil hides some things |
| 00:54:35 | dan_a | hmmm... I ought to have a look at it, I guess. What sort of things does it hide? Installing arbitrary bootloaders? |
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| 00:56:03 | petur | Dwyloc: so the values that patch introduces are ok? |
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| 00:57:45 | Dwyloc | They seem to work quite well on my ipod video 80GB and my nano 1st gen. |
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| 00:59:13 | Dwyloc | I dont have a 30GB or 60GB ipod to test on though, so I cant coment on how well it works on them. |
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| 01:01:23 | Robin0800 | whats the patch number? |
| 01:01:48 | petur | 7216 |
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| 01:02:16 | Freakingme | hi |
| 01:02:26 | petur | ho |
| 01:02:28 | Freakingme | how stable is rockbox for the cowon Iaudio x5? |
| 01:02:32 | bluebrother | hmm, that patch contains tabs :o |
| 01:03:10 | Soul-Slaye1 | If it has an official build, it's stable |
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| 01:03:50 | Robin0800 | petur,Ive used this patch on a 60GB Ipod it seems to work very well and gives no problems |
| 01:03:52 | petur | Freakingme: x5 is well supported... |
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| 01:04:26 | bluebrother | it's pretty stable. |
| 01:04:45 | Freakingme | tnx. Before I try, I need to know one more thing, is it kinda easy to install back the original firmware? |
| 01:05:30 | petur | I think so yes. X5 is however the only one that doesn't offer dual-boot |
| 01:06:35 | amiconn | M5 is the same, afaik the gigabeat also doesn't dualboot. |
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| 01:07:10 | Tr1ckY | hey |
| 01:07:24 | Tr1ckY | what to do if rockbox crashes on iPod 5.5G ? |
| 01:07:35 | PaulJam | Tr1ckY: reset it |
| 01:07:42 | Tr1ckY | PaulJam, how ? |
| 01:08:00 | PaulJam | i think by holdung menu + select |
| 01:08:07 | iamben | remove the batte... oh nm |
| 01:09:05 | Tr1ckY | that worked, PaulJam... the same thing however, didn't seem to respond before |
| 01:10:42 | Tr1ckY | thanks for the help :) |
| 01:10:47 | PaulJam | Tr1ckY: i think i read somewhere that it is sometimes required to flip the hold switch on and off before holding the buttons |
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| 01:11:02 | Tr1ckY | oh |
| 01:11:13 | Nico_P | Llorean: hi |
| 01:11:48 | bluebrother | Tr1ckY: also, you need to hold the buttons for a while. The time seems to vary, and can be something up to 40 seconds or like that. |
| 01:12:15 | Tr1ckY | that's a long time |
| 01:12:46 | bluebrother | yeah. But that's a feature apple added so nothing Rockbox can do about |
| 01:12:57 | bluebrother | but it's really nice to have that feature ;-) |
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| 01:19:42 | Tr1ckY | yay |
| 01:19:55 | Tr1ckY | i just made it through the first leve in FreeDoom :P |
| 01:20:28 | Tr1ckY | level* |
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| 01:34:51 | Nico_P | Llorean: just wanted to tell you I'm on vacation for a fex days... back friday evening or saturday morning |
| 01:35:25 | Nico_P | I didn't really get a chance to come here before today |
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| 01:53:47 | Soul-Slayer | Whats the fastest way to waste battery power? 200% pitch, maxed equaliser, high bitrate file and playing a plugin of some sort? |
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| 01:58:11 | ze | max volume and constant-on backlight too |
| 01:58:30 | Soul-Slayer | Ahh yes, thanks |
| 01:58:59 | pixelma | keep the disk spinning I'd say (browsing with dircache off maybe) |
| 01:59:03 | Soul-Slayer | Want to see if my attempts at calibrating are any better but I'm also impatient |
| 01:59:22 | ze | pixelma: ah yeah |
| 01:59:39 | Soul-Slayer | Good idea, good idea :p |
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| 02:00:00 | ze | playing like flac or wav's help with that too |
| 02:00:00 | ze | heh |
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| 02:01:22 | Soul-Slayer | If only it was this easy to preserve battery =p |
| 02:01:28 | Luis | my 5.5g IPod just started shutting down and hanging randomly while playing music or videos, both in rockbox and in the Apple OS |
| 02:02:04 | Soul-Slayer | Full charge? |
| 02:02:19 | Luis | I'm beinf forced to reset it several times before it starts working again |
| 02:02:48 | Luis | and then it hangs again |
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| 02:08:47 | HellDragon | rockbox's API is evil |
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| 02:10:50 | TiMiD[FD] | why ? |
| 02:11:27 | | Part dan_a |
| 02:11:32 | HellDragon | because there's no way you can code anything with it |
| 02:11:38 | HellDragon | except if you study it for 10 years |
| 02:12:59 | midkay | HellDragon: rockbox has only been around for half that, and many people can code for it. are you just a very slow learner? |
| 02:13:25 | HellDragon | not really |
| 02:13:34 | HellDragon | and it was scorche's idea of trolling about it here |
| 02:14:03 | scorche | no..i was just sick of you whining to me about it in PM, so i said to go talk to others if you think it is |
| 02:14:11 | HellDragon | lol |
| 02:14:25 | midkay | trolling's not a nice thing to do in any case. |
| 02:14:34 | midkay | i suggest that, if it's going to take ten years, you get started soon. :) |
| 02:14:51 | saratoga | i don't think the API is bad, but updating the docs would be nice |
| 02:14:58 | saratoga | the docs folder in particular is evil |
| 02:15:03 | HellDragon | saratoga: the API is bad compared to something like ipodlinux |
| 02:15:14 | saratoga | lots of the stuff it suggests doesn't even exist |
| 02:15:32 | HellDragon | lol |
| 02:15:36 | midkay | HellDragon: you could always code for ipodlinux then. |
| 02:15:39 | saratoga | HellDragon: sure, but rockbox is tremendiously more lightweight then ulinux |
| 02:15:44 | HellDragon | making a _working_ API is common sense |
| 02:15:46 | HellDragon | saratoga: not raelly |
| 02:15:47 | HellDragon | really |
| 02:15:52 | midkay | i see no problems with the rockbox api at all. our api works just fine. |
| 02:16:02 | HellDragon | midgey: did you even try coding with it? |
| 02:16:03 | HellDragon | I did |
| 02:16:04 | midkay | it sounds like the only problem is you're not willing to learn it, or you're incapable. |
| 02:16:08 | midkay | HellDragon: i'm a developer. |
| 02:16:13 | HellDragon | then fix it |
| 02:16:23 | midkay | you can't fix something that works perfectly fine. |
| 02:16:32 | scorche | you have to tell us what is wrong with it first.. |
| 02:16:43 | HellDragon | scorche: mostly everything |
| 02:16:48 | saratoga | clearly the API works, given the large number of plugins available and codecs, its jsut not obvious how to do a lot of stuff without spending some time with it |
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| 02:17:58 | midkay | saratoga: i think most of it makes perfect sense, and anyone who calls themselves a developer should understand how to find the functions in order to see how they work, if necessary. |
| 02:18:15 | midkay | if you have a specific question, feel free to ask. saying "the API sucks, fix it" helps absolutely nobody with anything. |
| 02:18:47 | scorche | HellDragon: if it doesnt work, then how did we get all fo the many plugins we currently have? |
| 02:19:22 | HellDragon | scorche: yeah, 20k lines of code for a pong is BAD |
| 02:19:30 | scorche | ... |
| 02:19:57 | midkay | HellDragon: you're just lying and trolling. that's enough. |
| 02:20:09 | HellDragon | midgey: no because scorche is the one who does the bans |
| 02:20:22 | HellDragon | midgey: you lied to me, you are the enemy |
| 02:20:23 | scorche | HellDragon: if you get out of hand, i will ban you |
| 02:20:39 | HellDragon | scorche: you're the one who told me to trll |
| 02:20:40 | HellDragon | troll |
| 02:20:43 | scorche | i simply told you that if you had something against the api, bring it up with people here |
| 02:20:44 | HellDragon | i'm just doing what you asked me |
| 02:20:48 | midkay | scorche: i'd say he already has, please do. |
| 02:20:48 | HellDragon | i did |
| 02:20:51 | saratoga | HellDragon: pong is 400 lines not 20000 |
| 02:21:13 | pixelma | XavierGr: still around? |
| 02:21:30 | saratoga | and 1/4 of those are just comments and #defines it uses for clarity |
| 02:22:27 | midgey | HellDragon: just for the record, you are talking to midkay, not myself. our nicks tend to get mixed up ;) |
| 02:22:39 | HellDragon | lol |
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| 02:22:58 | Bspec | ok, HellDragon, whine away |
| 02:22:58 | scorche | Bspec: you amuse me |
| 02:23:04 | scorche | ...what? |
| 02:23:04 | gregj | folks, since yesterday - I started to get 'undefined instruction at' crash again |
| 02:23:04 | saratoga | actually, just 27 lines of pong.c even use the API |
| 02:23:07 | HellDragon | Bspec: no |
| 02:23:10 | HellDragon | Bspec: i already did |
| 02:23:11 | gregj | with 403 |
| 02:23:11 | gregj | gcc 403 |
| 02:23:18 | gregj | on ipod G4/photo |
| 02:23:46 | scorche | gregj: that shouldnt happen...you sure you are using the actual 4.0.3 arm-elf-gcc? |
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| 02:24:11 | gregj | yez |
| 02:24:21 | scorche | how did you get the compiler? |
| 02:24:27 | gregj | source code |
| 02:24:33 | gregj | compiled, installed |
| 02:24:47 | Soul-Slayer | Okay well I worked that out far too linear... Attempt #2! |
| 02:25:01 | scorche | can you run rockboxdev.sh and see if you still get the error after? |
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| 02:25:12 | saratoga | does it happen with official builds? |
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| 02:26:07 | gregj | sure thing shrefiff |
| 02:26:21 | gregj | scorche: i will, hold on |
| 02:26:43 | scorche | gregj: it should take a while, so i dont expect you to come back in the next 20 min =) |
| 02:26:44 | gregj | I had no idea you guys have a script that does all that crap that ihad to do manualy |
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| 02:26:55 | scorche | yeah...our script makes things much easier =) |
| 02:27:01 | saratoga | a script and ready made VMware system too |
| 02:27:19 | scorche | and colinux |
| 02:27:52 | devon | bagder? |
| 02:29:11 | devon | anybody who has the rhapsody bl with the key signing check patched out? |
| 02:29:28 | scorche | Bagder should be sleeping now |
| 02:29:34 | devon | oh... |
| 02:29:59 | saratoga | devon: thats possible now ? |
| 02:30:18 | scorche | saratoga: not afaik.. |
| 02:30:27 | devon | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9263.15 |
| 02:30:29 | scorche | well, it depends what he is saying.. |
| 02:30:58 | devon | bagder wanted someone to change a byte in teh bl |
| 02:31:53 | devon | and mentioned the bl I asked for |
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| 02:33:16 | saratoga | oh yes I remember that |
| 02:33:29 | saratoga | as i recall the problem was that no one know how to get the patched bootloader in |
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| 02:33:56 | devon | I may have done so... |
| 02:34:28 | devon | remove battery... go to manufacturing mode... then use e200tool to write... |
| 02:34:35 | devon | I only did the one byte tho |
| 02:35:09 | saratoga | devon: sounds interesting, just becare you don't brick that player |
| 02:35:29 | devon | nope... it still works |
| 02:35:45 | devon | I'm unduly adventurous, I suppose |
| 02:36:01 | devon | dig rockbox |
| 02:36:11 | devon | put it on my daughter's nano |
| 02:36:27 | devon | now I must have it on my 'lil monster |
| 02:36:40 | devon | lol |
| 02:37:12 | devon | but I wanted to try that bl bagder talked about |
| 02:37:42 | scorche | devon: he should be back in around 6-7 hours |
| 02:38:01 | devon | k... thanks |
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| 02:49:12 | saratoga | does anyone know whos Rockbox's GSOC admin? |
| 02:49:25 | scorche | bagder is |
| 02:49:31 | scorche | why? |
| 02:49:55 | scorche | actually, i think there were a couple of them he promoted, but i am not sure on the technicalities of that |
| 02:50:19 | scorche | Llorean was one promoted, i believe (but as i said, i dont knwo exactly what that entails) |
| 02:50:28 | devon | doh! |
| 02:50:40 | devon | apologies... I spoke to soon... |
| 02:50:47 | scorche | o_O |
| 02:50:57 | saratoga | i'll assume bagder |
| 02:51:12 | saratoga | Bagder: if preglow doesn't fill out my midterm evaluation tomorrow, could you please do it? |
| 02:51:42 | saratoga | the rules say the admin can fill out evaluations if a mentor is out of rearch |
| 02:51:54 | saratoga | I'm not really sure when he'll be around a computer again |
| 02:51:58 | * | scorche watches from above as Bagder's head is gently lying on his pillow |
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| 02:53:57 | Transience | is anyone here working on the ZVM port? |
| 02:55:30 | scorche | Transience: as i told you before, they dont really hang out here... |
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| 03:02:07 | devon | I see were I made my mistake... |
| 03:02:41 | devon | I read the bl before leaving manufacturing mode... |
| 03:03:01 | devon | back to the drawing board |
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| 03:04:57 | jac0b | I want to add a them to the wiki |
| 03:05:18 | jac0b | I registered but now I need write access |
| 03:05:52 | saratoga | jac0b: let me try |
| 03:06:00 | saratoga | whats your username? |
| 03:06:19 | saratoga | oh nevermind see |
| 03:06:21 | saratoga | it |
| 03:08:10 | jac0b | jacobbrooks |
| 03:09:10 | gregj | same thing with version that your script compiled |
| 03:09:12 | saratoga | ok think i got it |
| 03:09:24 | gregj | on photo ipod: it is always undefined instruction at 00058D60 |
| 03:09:27 | gregj | :( |
| 03:09:40 | * | gregj gets build from site, just in case |
| 03:09:51 | jac0b | saratoga: do I click on "edit" or "attach" |
| 03:09:56 | saratoga | gregj: try the latest SVN build and bootloader |
| 03:10:01 | saratoga | probably edit |
| 03:10:08 | saratoga | i think that lets you add text and files |
| 03:10:21 | saratoga | should probably say what you've attached and all that |
| 03:10:34 | gregj | boodloader is the latest one, unless it got changed within last 2 weeks |
| 03:10:47 | gregj | it is the latest svn |
| 03:10:54 | gregj | revision 13865 |
| 03:14:58 | XavierGr | pixelma: I am now |
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| 03:20:10 | rwa | i have had rockbox on my ipod video 30gb for about a year now. i copied over the .rockbox folder from the build that i downloaded today and now when i boot the ipod it gives me this error: Data abort at 00030110 - does anyone know what this means? |
| 03:20:51 | Soul-Slayer | Does it happen all the time or just occasionally? |
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| 03:21:22 | tac0 | hola |
| 03:21:25 | rwa | i just copied the .rockbox folder to it about 10 minutes ago. the ipod will not shut off either and the displays brightness is at 100% and doesnt shut off |
| 03:21:29 | rwa | it just displays the error |
| 03:21:42 | tac0 | are there screenshots of what the ipod 4g will look like with rockbox on it anywhere? |
| 03:22:02 | saratoga | tac0: check the WPS gallery in the wiki |
| 03:22:03 | Soul-Slayer | Reset it the usual way, see if it occurs again |
| 03:22:09 | rwa | ok |
| 03:22:29 | rwa | yes i reset it and it gets to the main menu and then immediately shows that error |
| 03:22:46 | Soul-Slayer | This is the latest build? |
| 03:23:05 | rwa | yes |
| 03:23:09 | pixelma | what error is that? |
| 03:23:19 | Soul-Slayer | A data abort |
| 03:23:27 | saratoga | rwa: someone reported a similar problem on the 4G a couple minutes ago too |
| 03:23:31 | rwa | Data abort at 00030110 |
| 03:23:40 | pixelma | sorry... late here |
| 03:24:07 | saratoga | rwa: can you try a build from yesterday and see if it works? |
| 03:24:08 | rwa | no worries. do you guys recommend that i try an older build? |
| 03:24:21 | rwa | ok sure, one moment |
| 03:26:16 | Tr1ckY | hm |
| 03:26:39 | Soul-Slayer | Grr, why do these battery readings fluctuate so much |
| 03:26:39 | Tr1ckY | is it somehow possible to install iPodLinux on 5.5G iPods ? |
| 03:27:05 | Soul-Slayer | This channel is for rockbox only |
| 03:27:17 | Soul-Slayer | Try their channel ^^ |
| 03:27:53 | jac0b | saratoga: thanks for the help |
| 03:27:59 | jac0b | heres my theme http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGigabeatF#Plain_Brown |
| 03:29:48 | rwa | sorry it took so long guys, was having trouble getting my computer to recognize it. i tried yesterdays build but now i get Data abort at 000303F8 |
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| 03:31:47 | Soul-Slayer | You say it happens after getting to the menu? |
| 03:31:51 | Soul-Slayer | Or before? |
| 03:31:58 | rwa | right after |
| 03:32:05 | rwa | i can navigate for a split second |
| 03:32:07 | saratoga | try a build from before the menu changes |
| 03:32:17 | Soul-Slayer | Hmm... Then try about 2-3 days ago if possible |
| 03:32:41 | Soul-Slayer | jdgordan has played around with menu settings... Seems a possibility |
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| 03:32:52 | rwa | ok ill try the 10th |
| 03:33:26 | Soul-Slayer | Should do it, first menu change seems to be the 11th |
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| 03:34:15 | Soul-Slayer | Speak of the devil :p |
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| 03:35:05 | JdGordon | what have i done? |
| 03:35:23 | Soul-Slayer | Lol, nothing confirmed until rwa gives feedback on the build he's about to try |
| 03:35:26 | rwa | ok the 10th build, it boots to the menu fine, but as soon as i scroll the wheel at all it locks up |
| 03:35:38 | rwa | but no error |
| 03:35:53 | Soul-Slayer | Hmm... |
| 03:36:16 | Soul-Slayer | Which build were you using before? |
| 03:36:48 | imbecile | how do i play doom on a 5g ipod? |
| 03:36:49 | rwa | oh man, im not really sure, it was from about a year ago - i never updated it because i never had problems. i just thought id give one of the new builds a try |
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| 03:37:00 | Soul-Slayer | Typical that |
| 03:37:03 | rwa | so it would be pretty hard to track down which build it started happening at i suppose |
| 03:37:05 | rwa | yeah, sorry |
| 03:37:06 | Soul-Slayer | In which case |
| 03:37:19 | Soul-Slayer | I trust you reinstalled the bootloader? =$ |
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| 03:37:49 | rwa | i have not! |
| 03:37:56 | Soul-Slayer | Aha |
| 03:37:56 | saratoga | dan_a added dual cpu support to the bootloader a couple months back |
| 03:38:08 | Soul-Slayer | Then I suggest you get the latest ipodpatcher, uninstall your current and reinstall the new one |
| 03:38:09 | saratoga | going to want to have that before trying to run a 2 CPU build |
| 03:38:21 | Soul-Slayer | Alot has happened in a year :P |
| 03:38:41 | rwa | hah i guess so, but thats good news. |
| 03:38:53 | rwa | will i find instructions on how to install the bootloader on the site? |
| 03:39:01 | Soul-Slayer | I'll get you a link, hold on. |
| 03:39:07 | Soul-Slayer | Are you using Windows? |
| 03:39:10 | rwa | great thanks a lot. yeah, xp |
| 03:39:16 | Soul-Slayer | Okay. |
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| 03:40:01 | Soul-Slayer | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 03:40:15 | Soul-Slayer | Read the instructions on 'Bootloader installation from Windows' |
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| 03:40:49 | imbecile | anyone have doom working on a 5g ipod video? |
| 03:41:03 | rwa | is there a new firmware also? |
| 03:41:07 | Soul-Slayer | I don't, but I may be able to help regardless, what is the problem? |
| 03:41:15 | imbecile | i cant figure out the controls.. nothing happens |
| 03:41:22 | Soul-Slayer | New firmware just means new build |
| 03:41:30 | rwa | cool. thanks a lot for your help |
| 03:41:33 | linuxstb | imbecile: Turn the hold switch on, that brings up the doom menu. |
| 03:41:37 | Soul-Slayer | No problem |
| 03:41:40 | linuxstb | (then turn it off to use the menu...) |
| 03:41:51 | Soul-Slayer | Make sure it all works before you thank me though :p |
| 03:42:11 | rwa | hah, ill try the bootloader right now and let you know what happens |
| 03:43:50 | tac0 | assuming i mess up installing this on my ipod 4g grey or just want to revert, how would i do that? |
| 03:44:05 | tac0 | the itunes ipod firmware updater? |
| 03:44:32 | Soul-Slayer | Run ipodpatcher again and hit 'u' instead of 'i' |
| 03:44:46 | Soul-Slayer | Uninstalls the bootloader, meaning it boots into the Apple OF as usual |
| 03:44:52 | tac0 | cool :D |
| 03:46:06 | rwa | Soul-Slayer: it works! thanks a lot. everything was very easy to set up and you guys were very helpful |
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| 03:46:22 | Soul-Slayer | Not a problem, go ahead and use the newest build now :p |
| 03:46:44 | rwa | already am |
| 03:47:04 | rwa | i was panicing about this, i have a 4 hour road trip tomorrow and i thought my ipod was screwed |
| 03:47:23 | Soul-Slayer | Aslong as you can access it in USB mode there's some hope :P |
| 03:47:27 | rwa | i also shorted my cigarette lighter plugin in my car today |
| 03:47:34 | Soul-Slayer | Youch |
| 03:47:34 | linuxstb | gregj: I've just built and installed current SVN for my ipod Photo and it works fine. Are you using the offiicially released bootloader (the one in ipodpatcher) or a bootloader you built yourself? |
| 03:47:40 | rwa | yeah, bad day for the ipod |
| 03:47:42 | Soul-Slayer | I thought I'd busted my gigabeat earlier, lol |
| 03:47:51 | linuxstb | It is Friday 13th... |
| 03:47:54 | Soul-Slayer | Bootloader went into panic every time |
| 03:47:57 | linuxstb | (here, at least...) |
| 03:48:03 | Soul-Slayer | Ack! So it is |
| 03:48:07 | rwa | oh didnt even notice that |
| 03:48:10 | rwa | figures |
| 03:48:29 | Soul-Slayer | Had to open up my gigabeat and hotplug it... Not what I really wanted to do but got the job done |
| 03:48:29 | rwa | alright, im out of here. thanks again for all the help |
| 03:48:34 | Soul-Slayer | See you, enjoy :0 |
| 03:48:35 | Soul-Slayer | :) |
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| 03:49:02 | saratoga | linuxstb: did you put a check to reject V1 files in the asf parser? |
| 03:49:19 | linuxstb | Nope |
| 03:49:25 | Tr1ckY | Soul-Slayer, what is the name of their channel ? ^^ |
| 03:49:26 | linuxstb | (not knowingly...) |
| 03:49:56 | Tr1ckY | nvm, found it |
| 03:49:58 | saratoga | my v1 file gives "incompatible version" in the uisim |
| 03:50:03 | Soul-Slayer | #ipodlinux lol |
| 03:50:19 | Tr1ckY | Soul-Slayer, as i wrote before, i found it |
| 03:50:24 | Soul-Slayer | ^^ |
| 03:50:41 | Soul-Slayer | Anyway... Back to averaging out battery lives... Yay... |
| 03:50:50 | linuxstb | saratoga: That normally means your wma.codec file is out of sync with your main Rockbox binary. |
| 03:50:57 | saratoga | oh ok |
| 03:50:59 | JdGordon | has Nico_P been on recently? |
| 03:51:19 | Soul-Slayer | Not within the last hour and a half I've been here |
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| 03:59:41 | saratoga | linuxstb: my v1 file errors out in the parser |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:02 | saratoga | "Could not read packet (3200 bytes), aborting" |
| 04:00:07 | TiMiD[FD] | would someone mind to increase the stack size of 0x100 bytes for the iriver ? I have SVN access no more |
| 04:00:10 | saratoga | you interested in looking at it? |
| 04:00:33 | TiMiD[FD] | that fixes the stack overflow bug in the mpegplayer |
| 04:02:59 | linuxstb | TiMiD[FD]: That isn't necessarily the best solution... |
| 04:03:15 | linuxstb | saratoga: I'll have a quick look, but it's almost 3am here now... |
| 04:04:03 | saratoga | yeah i realize it must be late |
| 04:04:16 | saratoga | the call to request_buffer doesn't give enough memory oddly enough |
| 04:04:25 | TiMiD[FD] | well ... it's just that on the h1x0 the player uses the grayscale lib, which makes it eats more memory than on the color targets |
| 04:04:55 | linuxstb | saratoga: Yes, I'm just looking at it now. I can't understand why it wouldn't give enough data - assuming it's there... |
| 04:05:21 | saratoga | http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/v1.wma |
| 04:05:40 | saratoga | it returns 3186 bytes |
| 04:05:43 | saratoga | at least in the UI sim |
| 04:06:27 | linuxstb | saratoga: BTW, you know the build table is yellow? |
| 04:06:43 | saratoga | yeah i fixed it a couple minutes ago |
| 04:09:36 | JdGordon | is everyone still in favour of http://web.telia.com/~u16106552/menusettingsmultiline.png ? |
| 04:10:25 | Soul-Slayer | I'm sure I would be if I knew what I was looking at :$ |
| 04:10:46 | TiMiD[FD] | ugh that looks like an ipod |
| 04:10:52 | Soul-Slayer | Ahh I see the difference |
| 04:10:59 | Soul-Slayer | Changing settings without going to a new menu? |
| 04:11:03 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 04:11:17 | imbecile | anyone have doom working on a 5g ipod video? i cant figure out the controls |
| 04:11:40 | Soul-Slayer | Well, it would be more practical in my opinion |
| 04:11:43 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I thought there were lots of objections to it... |
| 04:11:56 | tac0 | btw- thanks for answering my questions |
| 04:12:01 | tac0 | i got it installed and i like it :D |
| 04:12:01 | Soul-Slayer | Coding or aesthetic objections? |
| 04:12:04 | JdGordon | im going through the thread any everyone seems to like it |
| 04:12:08 | TiMiD[FD] | JdGordon: for yes/no settings it's ok, but for those with more options, it's not very convenient |
| 04:12:10 | Soul-Slayer | Great tac0 :) Enjoy |
| 04:12:18 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Check the IRC logs, not the forums... |
| 04:12:35 | JdGordon | yeah, but forums are easier to find |
| 04:12:50 | linuxstb | Yes, but most developers don't discuss things there... |
| 04:13:03 | TiMiD[FD] | and it divides by 2 the numbers of settigns you can see |
| 04:13:59 | TiMiD[FD] | else it looks cute |
| 04:14:36 | saratoga | ah i see why mpegplayer has problems with the stack |
| 04:14:48 | saratoga | how much of IRAM does the stack occupy anyway? |
| 04:14:55 | linuxstb | About 9KB |
| 04:15:05 | TiMiD[FD] | 0x2000 bytes exactly |
| 04:15:09 | TiMiD[FD] | for the main stack |
| 04:15:22 | linuxstb | Ah yes, 9KB is the codec stack. |
| 04:15:31 | linuxstb | 8KB for the main stack. |
| 04:15:56 | saratoga | where does the other 40k of reserved IRAM go? |
| 04:16:11 | linuxstb | You mean 31KB ? |
| 04:16:23 | linuxstb | The two stacks I mentioned are both in IRAM. |
| 04:16:25 | tac0 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginSudoku - wheres the download link? :| |
| 04:16:29 | saratoga | oh ok |
| 04:16:44 | linuxstb | tac0: All the plugins are included with a standard Rockbox download. |
| 04:16:54 | tac0 | oooh... |
| 04:16:56 | tac0 | :x |
| 04:17:34 | saratoga | and on the 128k targets, theres another 32k of IRAM unused right? |
| 04:17:55 | linuxstb | saratoga: I added ci->curpos to the DEBUGF and it is 2019618 when it aborts - so for some reason it's reaching the end of the file very quickly. |
| 04:18:36 | saratoga | linuxstb: for what its worth, that file was encoded using ffmpeg so its likely the file structure is atypical |
| 04:19:14 | linuxstb | Ah, it's the same file I've been testing with... |
| 04:19:25 | saratoga | anyway, that file has been on my back burner for almost a week |
| 04:19:31 | saratoga | its not really a priority for me |
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| 04:21:41 | imbecile | anyone have doom working on a 5g ipod video? i cant figure out the controls |
| 04:21:43 | imbecile | anyone have doom working on a 5g ipod video? i cant figure out the controls |
| 04:21:47 | imbecile | oops |
| 04:21:56 | TiMiD[FD] | imbécile ^^ |
| 04:22:14 | imbecile | yeah I didnt try to |
| 04:22:26 | Soul-Slayer | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 04:23:08 | Soul-Slayer | And surely a small amount of experimentation could help you work out what the controls are, there are only like 10 buttons |
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| 04:23:28 | linuxstb | And I suggested a solution when you first asked the question 45 minutes ago |
| 04:23:34 | * | JdGordon found the relevant irc logs, and works on other stuff today |
| 04:23:53 | imbecile | Soul-Slayer, I only have 2 buttons |
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| 04:24:23 | Soul-Slayer | Have you installed rockbox on a mouse or something? |
| 04:24:24 | Soul-Slayer | :S |
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| 04:25:28 | imbecile | linuxstb, I look to get highlighted for an answer after a few minutes so i dont have to stare at people talking about stuff that doesnt pertain to me then never answer |
| 04:25:55 | tac0 | eek... my ipod just said i had a low battery. plugged it in and its not charging or turning on (it had 70% battery 2 minutes ago) |
| 04:26:21 | linuxstb | imbecile: Huh? I quoted your name in my answer, which was 18 seconds after you asked the question... |
| 04:26:44 | imbecile | Soul-Slayer, i realize that ipod wheels have different controls where you push them but technically is 2 buttons |
| 04:27:06 | imbecile | linuxstb, what time was it? |
| 04:27:28 | Soul-Slayer | Menu, Select, Fast Forward, Play, Rewind, Wheel Left, Wheel Right, Hold |
| 04:27:37 | linuxstb | imbecile: Read my answer from 3 minutes ago... |
| 04:27:39 | * | linuxstb sleeps |
| 04:27:45 | imbecile | ill go through logs cuz my xchat hasnt flahed in ages |
| 04:28:06 | imbecile | no timestamping? |
| 04:28:08 | Soul-Slayer | And I gave you a link to the wiki page saying all the buttons. |
| 04:28:15 | Soul-Slayer | imbecile: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 04:28:25 | Soul-Slayer | Scroll down to keys, look at the heading 'iPod' |
| 04:28:32 | linuxstb | imbecile: Search for your nick in the log - http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt |
| 04:28:33 | imbecile | Soul-Slayer, i know i got it.. thanks |
| 04:28:45 | Soul-Slayer | Sleep well linuxstb |
| 04:29:05 | imbecile | linuxstb, I save logs myself thats why i was asking |
| 04:30:02 | imbecile | linuxstb, ahh i see where you said it.. you were right, sorry |
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| 04:31:19 | imbecile | xchat usually blinks on me when i am highlighted |
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| 04:43:08 | gregj | well, bad news everyone - the one I downlaoded from your website, is also borked - crashes as well :( |
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| 04:56:09 | Justi1 | does rockbox play .ogg files? |
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| 05:04:28 | Nick_Brackley | has anyone been experiencing problems with mpegplayer? i try to play the elephants dream sample movie on my iriver h300 and get "*panic* stkov main" |
| 05:05:07 | imbecile | just curious of how things are setup in rockbox.. is there a "by artist" or "by album" option? the reason i ask is i have about 20gb of files in one folder and i dont want to have to scroll though all kinds of stuff to find what i'm looking for |
| 05:06:01 | Nick_Brackley | yes there is in the database (tagcache) |
| 05:06:03 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley: I believe at the moment mpegplayer crashes when creating its config file. If you manually create an empty file of the right name in its folder, it should be fine. I don't know the name though |
| 05:06:13 | Llorean | Also, it's not called "tagcache" any more. |
| 05:07:27 | Nick_Brackley | Llorean: Ok will try it, and i wasnt sure so i thought i'd put both down... :) |
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| 05:23:09 | Nick_Brackley | hmmm cant seem to find any references of where the config file needs to go :( |
| 05:24:00 | Llorean | Just in the same folder as mpegplayer, I believe |
| 05:30:22 | imbecile | is rockbox its own type of os or is it based on linux? |
| 05:30:42 | imbecile | that question wasnt really asked right |
| 05:31:05 | imbecile | i was just wondering if it was linux based |
| 05:31:37 | Nick_Brackley | phrased that wrong, i also dont know what it needs to be named |
| 05:31:58 | Doomed | in the root of the .rockbox folder |
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| 05:34:54 | Soul-Slayer | imbecile: Rockbox is all original code, it's not linux based. |
| 05:35:31 | Soul-Slayer | As the main page says: "Rockbox is a complete rewrite and uses no fragments of any original firmwares." |
| 05:35:48 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: Well, that wouldn't rule out Linu |
| 05:35:51 | Llorean | Linux |
| 05:35:58 | Llorean | But yeah, 'tis not Linux based. |
| 05:36:04 | Soul-Slayer | Ehh well, it isn't linux based, so there we go :p |
| 05:37:39 | imbecile | ok thanks |
| 05:38:17 | imbecile | another question, what is the diff of battery life compared to appleos? |
| 05:38:28 | Doomed | a lot, check the wiki |
| 05:38:46 | Soul-Slayer | Less, all portalplayer chips have a battery life problem apparently |
| 05:39:29 | Soul-Slayer | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime |
| 05:40:08 | Soul-Slayer | As you can see from the few entries that have filled in the OF time, it's about half |
| 05:42:02 | imbecile | yeah, oh well i can use rockbox when i can charge but on trips etc.. ill just use appleos |
| 05:42:24 | imbecile | i love the look and feel of rockbox tho |
| 05:43:59 | Soul-Slayer | If you plan on switching between the two, make sure you transfer music using iTunes or the OF won't be able to pick it up |
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| 06:40:27 | * | amiconn wonders about the latest gigabeat commit |
| 06:42:01 | amiconn | I think this adaptive bass without no unit is about as bad as the behind-the-scenes volume capping we got rid of long ago |
| 06:42:29 | gotthardt | i couldnt find a unit |
| 06:42:38 | gotthardt | but it makes my bass sound better |
| 06:44:48 | * | jhMikeS wonders about the commit too and hopes it's not on by default. |
| 06:45:10 | jhMikeS | argh, it is |
| 06:45:12 | gotthardt | it is on by default - try and see if you like it |
| 06:45:50 | gotthardt | easy to turn off - |
| 06:46:03 | Llorean | gotthardt: We got rid of behind the scenes bass or volume reduction to prevent clipping. What exactly does "adaptive bass" do to prevent clipping? |
| 06:46:22 | jhMikeS | Having the correct dB in the list partly helped. The volume limiting in sound.c requires correct values too. |
| 06:46:32 | gotthardt | its in the datasheet for the 8751 as the recommend way to prevent bass clipping |
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| 06:48:00 | gotthardt | and i was getting bass clipping - esp during playback in car - thats why i put in the adaptive bass setting |
| 06:48:16 | Llorean | gotthardt: That doesn't answer my question, though. |
| 06:48:29 | jhMikeS | that's true but I think proper volume tweaking would be better. I don't know why tone controls don't just use a precut/preboost/ |
| 06:49:08 | gotthardt | Llorean: I can give exact answer - the datasheet does not give specifics - i track it down... |
| 06:49:53 | amiconn | The general consensus is to give the user full control about the parameters. If that means clipping, let it clip, rather than changing settings behind the scenes |
| 06:49:54 | Llorean | gotthardt: Basically, what conditions did you get bass clipping under? |
| 06:50:45 | gotthardt | the adaptive bass has control settings from 0 (off) to 15 max |
| 06:51:24 | jhMikeS | something went odd at some point because it seemed like clipping was gone for a bit and then came back |
| 06:51:40 | amiconn | And I wonder how one can get bass clipping in car... the only proper setting for hooking up a dap to a car stereo is line level with bass == treble == 0dB and eq and similar sound distrotion disabled |
| 06:53:41 | BHSPitMonkey | anybody heard of Insignia mp3 players? |
| 06:53:42 | * | jhMikeS has a solution to the FIFO emptying on sansa but it limits available frequencies to divisions of the PLL :\ |
| 06:53:53 | BHSPitMonkey | they're pretty neat looking gizmos |
| 06:54:00 | Llorean | And if we're getting clipping with a level of 0dB then there's something else wrong instead. |
| 06:54:20 | gotthardt | Llorean: no clipping at 0 for me |
| 06:54:32 | Llorean | gotthardt: I'm talking about without the feature |
| 06:54:38 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Huh? I thought the fifo emptying problem is due to cache flushes being too slow at lower clock? |
| 06:54:39 | gotthardt | sorry |
| 06:54:46 | Llorean | gotthardt: As I asked, and you haven't answered, under what conditions were you getting clipping before? |
| 06:54:54 | jhMikeS | Llorean: like I said...it was completely gona after setting the dB values correctly in the tone controls. I couldn't get clipping with all of them cranked up. |
| 06:55:33 | amiconn | The clock setup doesn't disable fiq.... |
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| 06:55:34 | gotthardt | i get it in the speakers in my car with the bass on 4.5db |
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| 06:55:38 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Depending on the track, though, clipping should be expected as *possible* at any point where Volume + Bass or Treble or EQ filter is greater than 0, right? |
| 06:55:40 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it is...but we leave the pll set and switch clock sources from PLL/divider to PLL when flushing and back again |
| 06:55:53 | Llorean | gotthardt: If the bass is at 4.5, and the volume is at 0, clipping is to be expected, of course. |
| 06:55:57 | gotthardt | it wasnt on all tracks |
| 06:56:02 | BHSPitMonkey | Lol. Cheapo PDF user manual. It's literally a html site, viewed in IE, and printed to a PDF printer. |
| 06:56:10 | BHSPitMonkey | You can see their local filename as the URL at the bottom. |
| 06:56:15 | amiconn | EH, that sounds nasty |
| 06:57:03 | jhMikeS | Llorean: true, but EQ has manual precut and clipping shouldn't be possible if a volume reduction exactly compensates the increase from the control. |
| 06:57:33 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yes, doesn't that go along with what I say? If you set a precut equal to the increase, the final level is still 0? |
| 06:57:47 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I'm missing something here, I think. |
| 06:59:31 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I think I was. As long as a PCM sample of 0db = 0db as output voltage we're fine. yes. |
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| 07:02:02 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yes, and that was my point. If it doesn't, there's a real problem, and so whatever this "adaptive bass" is probably not the solution. If it does equal 0dB of output voltage, then we don't need it in the first place. Right? |
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| 07:02:36 | Llorean | Though I don't see a problem with adding it as an option in the menu or something, for people who want it, but it doesn't seem a good 'default' to me. |
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| 07:04:32 | gotthardt | here is from the datasheet: |
| 07:04:34 | gotthardt | Adaptive bass boost: The bass volume is amplified by a variable gain. When the bass volume is low, it is boosted more than when the bass volume is high. This method is recommended because it prevents clipping, and usually sounds more pleasant to the human ear. |
| 07:05:27 | * | jhMikeS is updating to have a listen |
| 07:05:38 | gotthardt | The chip does the work with 15 settings - 0 is off |
| 07:06:41 | amiconn | That sounds like it performs bass dynamic compression - a thing that should never be the default imo (or rather, like in this case, the only way to use the setting) |
| 07:06:46 | Llorean | So, rather than applying say +4.5 to all bass, if it's a quiet portion of the song it gets more, and a louder portion gets less? This definitely sounds like something that shouldn't be on by default or lock on. |
| 07:06:51 | jhMikeS | I was the one that moved the driver over so I know what it does. I just never even tried the adaptive setting. |
| 07:07:35 | gotthardt | The default setting is off |
| 07:07:58 | gotthardt | So it should sound the same for linear or adaptive at the off setting |
| 07:08:59 | amiconn | Yes, but if I had a gigabeat, I couldn't set bass to e.g. well defined +6dB now |
| 07:09:08 | amiconn | ...which is bad, imo |
| 07:09:30 | gotthardt | true - you would have to comment out the define in the gigabeat config |
| 07:09:33 | amiconn | <unrelated>Running PP with disabled cache is funny</unrelated> |
| 07:09:37 | gotthardt | and then rebuild |
| 07:09:54 | * | jhMikeS still wants to know how clipping came back after the problem disappearing for awhile |
| 07:11:47 | jhMikeS | amiconn: you think it's nasty to switch clocks? the tracing in the emu shows this sort of use. |
| 07:12:28 | amiconn | I think it's nasty to limit our ability to switch clocks |
| 07:12:46 | amiconn | I'd rather want partial cache flushes |
| 07:13:14 | Llorean | gotthardt: And no user should have to rebuild to be able to actually use the full range of bass we supposedly "offer" |
| 07:13:51 | gotthardt | ok - so how can we offer all that a codec can do? |
| 07:14:21 | gotthardt | if the manufacturer recommends a different setting, should I make a new menu to select linear or adaptive? |
| 07:14:40 | jhMikeS | amiconm: me too but I'm not seeing evidence of it being done on sansa |
| 07:15:17 | Llorean | gotthardt: I don't see why not, so long as the "Bass" menu is updated to represent realistically what is being offered when in adaptive mode. |
| 07:16:18 | jhMikeS | there's no bass cut in this mode either |
| 07:17:38 | gotthardt | sounds like I should just comment out the define and recommit |
| 07:19:02 | jhMikeS | there's some details like not having sound.c compensate the volume when using that mode for the bass (but it still should for treble) |
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| 07:21:05 | jhMikeS | Which compensation I believe was added for WM codecs because others considered the facility on chip insufficient iirc |
| 07:21:55 | jhMikeS | On the bright side, the available level of boost seems greater using that. |
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| 07:24:38 | scorche | heh...if only it was this easy: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.msg86988#msg86988 |
| 07:25:37 | ptw419 | heh |
| 07:25:41 | * | amiconn now really wonders what 0x70000034 does |
| 07:26:00 | * | jhMikeS apolized for his kneejerk whining about the change and finds it to be quite of benefit afteral :) |
| 07:26:26 | amiconn | It's definitely not ram timing. Changing the values and then running speed test from dram with cache disabled doesn't change anything |
| 07:26:56 | gotthardt | :) |
| 07:26:59 | amiconn | All I know now is that disabling the cache makes code run ~7 times slower from dram |
| 07:27:32 | Llorean | jhMikeS: It makes the "Bass" setting misleading, and removes user choice for what Bass actually ends up at. |
| 07:27:43 | Llorean | Even if it sounds better, it needs to both be clear what's going on, and probably be off by default. |
| 07:28:23 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I agree (and I myself tend to hate options) that the user should have a mode choice with this. |
| 07:29:33 | jhMikeS | I think all the WM codecs with tone contols can use it. |
| 07:31:12 | markun | gotthardt: hi! |
| 07:31:22 | gotthardt | markun: hi |
| 07:31:29 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Does that include the one in the 5G where the tone controls don't seem to do anything right now but increase volume? |
| 07:31:41 | jhMikeS | amiconn: that's why I fear a non-cacheable framebuffer btw |
| 07:32:00 | amiconn | You don't run code from the framebuffer.... |
| 07:32:00 | jhMikeS | Lloean: hmmm...wasn't aware of those problems |
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| 07:32:35 | amiconn | Llorean: The G5 has a different chip that doesn't have the standard tone controls |
| 07:32:48 | jhMikeS | amiconn: the cached dram for data is also a good deal slower too |
| 07:32:56 | jhMikeS | *uncached |
| 07:32:56 | amiconn | It has the registers for hw eq, but with just 2 of the 5 filters actually working |
| 07:33:05 | amiconn | Yes, sure |
| 07:33:13 | Llorean | amiconn: We should really either disable them, or replace them with the software tone controls until someone figures out if there's useful ones. |
| 07:33:35 | amiconn | But there shouldn't be much difference whether you write the data to uncached ram, or write it cached then flush |
| 07:34:04 | amiconn | ...as long as you don't rewrite multiple times between lcd updates |
| 07:34:52 | amiconn | Llorean: I will change the tone controls on G5 to use the eq low shelf and high shelf (because that's what they actually are) |
| 07:35:01 | jhMikeS | but perhaps the burst when it flushes to ram during the write is much faster that writing word by word |
| 07:35:09 | amiconn | This means we have true hw tone controls, but no hw eq |
| 07:35:36 | Llorean | amiconn: Works for me. As long as the menu settings actually do something that seems like Bass/Treble, I'm happy. :) |
| 07:35:58 | amiconn | Of course I will also keep the ability to select cutoff frequencies (which does work) |
| 07:36:13 | amiconn | There will be 'Bass cutoff' and 'Treble cutoff' |
| 07:36:30 | amiconn | We could also offer this for UDA1380 targets |
| 07:37:18 | amiconn | ...which has 2 cutoff frequencies for treble/bass. |
| 07:37:21 | jhMikeS | Wm8751 has optional cutoff too. one thing with hardware contols is they are samplerate dependent but I'm not sure it matters here. |
| 07:37:26 | amiconn | Unfortunately one bass cutoff allows 24dB boost, the other only allows 18dB. I'm not sure how to handle this |
| 07:38:45 | amiconn | I tend to think that nobody uses >18dB (because it sounds like our famous bag of shit) and we could limit the setting to <=18dB |
| 07:39:01 | amiconn | But there are weird users out there... ;) |
| 07:39:57 | jhMikeS | hehe...I can think of some neighbors that would probabaly want +100dB :p |
| 07:40:36 | Llorean | Like those people who set bass to max, then software EQ it up further, and talk about how great Rockbox sounds because of how much it lets you mangle the sound? |
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| 07:40:59 | amiconn | jhMikeS: How many different settings are there? The WM8758 has 4 each for treble/bass |
| 07:41:09 | jhMikeS | just for the subwoofer in their trunk so they can blow the panels off the car |
| 07:41:16 | imbecile | how do i manually install themes? ive been googling and havent found the answer yet |
| 07:41:42 | imbecile | in an 5g ipod |
| 07:41:51 | amiconn | jhMikeS: That can be done easier and more reliable with a bit of explosives... ;) |
| 07:41:59 | jhMikeS | one cutoff option for treble, one for bass |
| 07:42:11 | * | jhMikeS likes amiconn's thinking |
| 07:42:35 | Llorean | imbecile: Assuming they're created properly, you just extract them directly to the player. Otherwise you'll need to look through and put files in their appropriate directories. Look at a working theme .zip to see an example of where each file goes. |
| 07:43:36 | amiconn | jhMikeS: 'one setting' meaning what? |
| 07:44:29 | amiconn | WM8758 allows 80, 105, 135 and 175Hz cutoff frequency for bass, and 5.3, 6.9, 9 and 11.7kHz for treble |
| 07:47:27 | jhMikeS | Bass: 130/200 at 48kHz, Treb: 4/8KHz at 48KHz |
| 07:48:42 | amiconn | UDA1380 allows 250/300Hz for bass, and 1.5/3kHz for treble (at 44.1kHz) |
| 07:49:04 | amiconn | These values don't look right to me... |
| 07:49:31 | jhMikeS | I guess that mean at 44100kHz its 119.4375/183.75 and 3675/7350 |
| 07:50:08 | amiconn | UDA1380 has only one setting that switches both treble & bass cutoff |
| 07:50:37 | * | amiconn should check those values by measuring |
| 07:50:37 | jhMikeS | I do seem to remeber they're sample dependent there too |
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| 07:57:24 | jhMikeS | clock switching isn't _nescessary_ though. changing the FIFO tresholds also causes an FIQ so it fills up. they can then be reset after the flush. |
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| 08:05:08 | jhMikeS | amiconn: another register of interest might be 0x600060a4. the sansa OF never seems to alter 0x600060a0 either afaik (which set_cpu_frequency currently does). |
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| 08:11:10 | markun | Llorean: I want to post a link in the forum to this 'player' http://wiki.virtualcogs.com/tiki-view_blog.php?blogId=1 |
| 08:11:56 | amiconn | jhMikeS: 0x600060a0 only seems important on the ipod color/photo |
| 08:12:02 | Llorean | markun: Under new ports? |
| 08:12:18 | markun | not sure if I should hijack any of the existing threads in New Players (like the N3 thread or 'oposite of porting' |
| 08:12:21 | amiconn | Bits 30 and 31 must be zero during clock changes or it's highly unstable |
| 08:12:22 | markun | or just start a new thread |
| 08:12:36 | markun | eh yes, new ports |
| 08:12:48 | Llorean | I'd say start a new one |
| 08:12:56 | amiconn | The color/photo is the only target where these bits are set, but the clock change routine does this zeroing on all PP502x ipods |
| 08:13:06 | amiconn | Does no harm if the bits are already zero |
| 08:13:31 | amiconn | What does the sansa do to 0x600060a4 |
| 08:13:46 | Llorean | markun: Do you intend to contact them, since Rockbox might even be a good way to get firmware for the device off the ground a good deal more quickly? |
| 08:13:47 | amiconn | I still didn't manage to find the clock change routine in the sansa OF |
| 08:14:51 | markun | Llorean: I could, didn't think about that |
| 08:15:49 | Llorean | It'd probably make a lot of sense for them too, since it provides a good starting point, and means a lot less work on application style stuff. |
| 08:16:27 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it does some manipulation with it but it ends of setting it to 0x23 |
| 08:17:00 | jhMikeS | It's set to that in i2c-pp.c and seems to affect the speed of that but I'm not sure what else. |
| 08:17:25 | jhMikeS | I put it there since it helped alot |
| 08:18:30 | markun | Llorean: looks like USB is full-speed only :( |
| 08:18:59 | markun | but you can use a SD/MMC adapter of course |
| 08:19:33 | Llorean | Well without internal storage, you probably want to anyway |
| 08:19:54 | ptw419 | through the gigabeat-s branch are we going to have to send commits through patch tracker? |
| 08:19:58 | Llorean | It's clearly a video device (well, video and gaming), and with that end in mind, a single 4gb card is probably not enough |
| 08:20:07 | markun | ptw419: no |
| 08:21:08 | ptw419 | do we get commit access to the gigabeat-s branch? |
| 08:21:21 | ptw419 | or can i if possible |
| 08:21:38 | ptw419 | or tell me how to do it if its done some other way ;) |
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| 08:22:49 | markun | if the branch has been setup just for you and aliask I don't see why you wouldn't get commit access |
| 08:23:17 | ptw419 | yes, problem was zagor set it up, but never gave us a username and p/w :( |
| 08:23:43 | scorche | well, he should be up in a few hours... |
| 08:24:41 | ptw419 | ok |
| 08:26:30 | aliask | Unfortunately I have work in an hour. |
| 08:29:21 | markun | Llorean: ok, made a thread |
| 08:29:54 | GodEater_ | it's alerady 8:20 am in Sweden - should be up in less than a few hours I'd have thought |
| 08:30:16 | Nick_Brackley | aliask: i posted about your superdom patch in flyspray again |
| 08:30:26 | aliask | I saw, but I've been a little busy |
| 08:30:34 | aliask | I can take a look in a minute if you liek |
| 08:30:35 | Nick_Brackley | no worries |
| 08:30:55 | Nick_Brackley | aliask: yeah if you have the time of course |
| 08:32:10 | scorche | GodEater: an hour from now is the typical time, i suppose |
| 08:36:23 | GodEater_ | lazy people - I'm already at work!!! |
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| 08:37:08 | Nick_Brackley | GodEater_: nicely done ;) |
| 08:37:40 | GodEater_ | for being at work or some other random thing I've done ? =/ |
| 08:37:56 | Nick_Brackley | GodEater_: the work thing |
| 08:38:01 | GodEater_ | ah - thank you :) |
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| 08:52:08 | aliask | Ah markun you saw that hackaday post too - looks interesting doesn't it. |
| 08:52:28 | * | scorche lubs hackaday |
| 08:54:28 | Llorean | markun: I modified your post. If I understand correctly, the relevant hardware is mostly the "VCMX212" board, right? |
| 08:54:35 | Llorean | Well, I modified the title of your post, rather |
| 08:56:39 | aliask | Nick_Brackley: I added a new patch to the game, it should work fine now. |
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| 08:57:44 | Nick_Brackley | aliask: thank you, will test it later and post back on flyspray |
| 08:57:54 | aliask | Cool |
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| 09:01:10 | markun | Llorean: ok, no problem |
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| 09:04:23 | * | GodEater_ waits for ptw419 and aliask to pile into Zagor |
| 09:05:17 | aliask | Ah, thanks for the ping GodEater_ :) |
| 09:05:30 | aliask | Zagor: Would it be possible to get write access to SVN? |
| 09:05:40 | aliask | Or at least the gigabeat s branch. |
| 09:05:41 | GodEater_ | ;) |
| 09:06:08 | ptw419 | haha |
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| 09:06:39 | Zagor | yeah, that's the plan. our current version of svnserve doesn't support path-based access so you'll have to make sure yourselves that you're only working in the branch. |
| 09:07:07 | GodEater_ | with great power comes great responsibility etc. etc. |
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| 09:07:27 | Zagor | something like that :-) |
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| 09:07:45 | aliask | Indeed. Well, I suppose that's the great thing about version control. I could majorly screw up and you could just revert it :) |
| 09:08:11 | aliask | But I'll double check everything. Perhaps I should learn how to use svn to commit before trying anything... |
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| 09:08:26 | ptw419 | ok |
| 09:09:02 | * | GodEater_ looks forward to the juicy content that is sure to be in the latest "NNNNEEEEEEEDDDD HEEELLLPPP" thread to appear on the forums |
| 09:10:07 | scorche | GodEater: you enjoy that one post in the nano 2g thread? =P |
| 09:10:43 | ptw419 | scorche : I wish it would have been that easy for the S :) |
| 09:11:11 | Zagor | aliask, ptw419: email me the login and password you want: bjorn@haxx.se |
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| 09:11:23 | ptw419 | ok, will do |
| 09:11:23 | GodEater_ | scorche: I just didn't even know where to start with that guy ;) |
| 09:11:38 | scorche | ptw419: and all we need to do to get music is do play_music(helloworld.mp3_ |
| 09:11:45 | ptw419 | scorche: I did email Badger, I'm not sure if/when he's around |
| 09:11:46 | scorche | well, minus the typos |
| 09:12:14 | scorche | ptw419: yeah..i need to speak to him too, but i didnt see him before i went to bed and missed him by the time i got home |
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| 09:12:58 | scorche | hrm...i guess i shall respond tot he guy |
| 09:13:08 | aliask | Zagor: Done. |
| 09:13:27 | ptw419 | same |
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| 09:14:39 | GodEater_ | scorche: which one ? |
| 09:14:57 | scorche | GodEater: nano 2g with a concise and simple answer |
| 09:15:14 | GodEater_ | scorche: something like "your oversimplying so much I just don't even know where to start?" ;) |
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| 09:15:21 | * | GodEater_ puts his "Jerk" cap on |
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| 09:15:34 | scorche | not really, but now that you mention it, sure! =P |
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| 09:17:00 | ptw419 | aliask i think there may only be two framebuffers, one at 0x80100000, the other at 0x84100000 |
| 09:17:14 | aliask | What are the odds! :P |
| 09:17:17 | ptw419 | at least w/ those offsets of 0x100000 |
| 09:17:49 | GodEater_ | ptw419, aliask : is there still a supplier for new Gigabeat S's ? |
| 09:17:55 | GodEater_ | or am I looking at Ebay again ? |
| 09:18:08 | aliask | GodEater_: I'm pretty sure they are still sold in retail |
| 09:18:12 | ptw419 | i never knew there was a supplier |
| 09:18:15 | aliask | At least, they are in Australia |
| 09:18:35 | ptw419 | yes, or maybe on ebay too |
| 09:18:37 | GodEater_ | what do they go for down there? specifically the 60 |
| 09:18:56 | * | stripwax can't get rbutil to compile, grr |
| 09:18:58 | ptw419 | i've seen the 30's for around 150, sometimes there are good deals for like 100 |
| 09:19:06 | ptw419 | but thats on ebay |
| 09:19:06 | aliask | $360AU |
| 09:19:12 | GodEater_ | stripwax: linux ? |
| 09:19:14 | aliask | That's brand new |
| 09:19:22 | * | GodEater_ goes to check the exchange rate |
| 09:19:33 | * | dan_a does the same |
| 09:20:03 | GodEater_ | £154 |
| 09:20:05 | GodEater_ | not too bad |
| 09:20:07 | Zagor | aliask, ptw419: do we have your real names somewhere? entering it in your irc clients would be a welcome start imho. |
| 09:20:24 | aliask | Will Robertson |
| 09:20:35 | ptw419 | mine is on the wiki |
| 09:20:43 | ptw419 | James Espinoza |
| 09:20:47 | GodEater_ | resisting urge to make "Lost in Space" gags |
| 09:21:00 | aliask | THAT'S WILL ROBINSON |
| 09:21:10 | aliask | TOTALLY DIFFERENT |
| 09:21:10 | scorche | close enough |
| 09:21:12 | GodEater_ | hahaha |
| 09:21:13 | Battousai | must get that a lot |
| 09:21:16 | stripwax | GodEater - windows/cygwin , unfortunately. but wxwindows built ok so that's promising.. |
| 09:21:18 | GodEater_ | I knew you'd say that |
| 09:21:29 | aliask | :) |
| 09:21:42 | * | dan_a is tempted at the idea of an S30 at 150AUD |
| 09:21:43 | aliask | Zagor: Where abouts should I put it in my IRC? Description? |
| 09:21:44 | GodEater_ | stripwax: shame - builds flawlessly on gentoo :) |
| 09:21:58 | GodEater_ | am I right in thinking the S30 lacks the FM receiver ? |
| 09:22:07 | aliask | True |
| 09:22:11 | scorche | GodEater_: you should send a box to him and try not to write will robinson instead =P |
| 09:22:20 | ptw419 | S30 has fm reciever |
| 09:22:27 | stripwax | :) |
| 09:22:29 | GodEater_ | scorche: I trying *not* to make the gags remember ;) |
| 09:22:41 | aliask | Really? According to the wiki it doesn't. It should be updated... |
| 09:22:48 | GodEater_ | yeah - that's what made me ask |
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| 09:23:34 | scorche | GodEater: i was trying to find something amusing to put inside the box (just as the robot), but all i could find around was a mini crunch bar and a free toilet leak tester tablet (this is a true story btw) |
| 09:24:11 | * | Llorean needs to look for an S## Gigabeat too now, out of some sick addiction. |
| 09:24:20 | GodEater_ | a toilet leak tester tablet |
| 09:24:24 | scorche | Llorean: you cant handle the power! |
| 09:24:27 | GodEater_ | my world view is changed again |
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| 09:24:55 | scorche | GodEater: i found a dispenser at home depot |
| 09:24:58 | GodEater_ | Llorean: we only want them so that amiconn can shout at us and go "what's the point? It's too powerful!" |
| 09:25:27 | scorche | and took one while wondering what to do with it...luckily, the gigabeat S had arrived and i put it in there before sending to little mister will there =P |
| 09:25:46 | stripwax | gah, rbutil build error, in streambuf.tcc in cygwin includes.. |
| 09:26:06 | Zagor | aliask: I thought all clients had a "real name" field. Maybe yours is called "description"? It's the field that currently says "New Now Know How". |
| 09:26:20 | scorche | chatzilla |
| 09:26:30 | ptw419 | let me enter mine real quick |
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| 09:27:10 | ptw419 | tada |
| 09:27:12 | stripwax | about one third of my build error here - http://www.pastebin.ca/617431 - anyone have an idea about that? (win32 sim builds fine on my cygwin installation btw) |
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| 09:27:42 | Zagor | very nice |
| 09:28:08 | GodEater_ | scorche: nice post - nearly word for word ;) |
| 09:28:24 | scorche | =) |
| 09:28:48 | GodEater_ | could you put maybe a "(tm) GodEater" ? ;) |
| 09:29:21 | scorche | i didnt hear any restrictions when you said it |
| 09:29:27 | Zagor | ok guys, you're added. simply check out svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/branches/gigabeat-s/ and you're set |
| 09:29:47 | aliask | I've already checked out - does that matter? |
| 09:29:49 | GodEater_ | scorche: no no - you're right - too late now |
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| 09:30:07 | Zagor | aliask: no, that's fine. it will ask for your user/pass when you commit |
| 09:30:17 | markun | Zagor: how does a branch work? are all the commits from the main tree also committed to it? |
| 09:30:26 | aliask | Great. Now I gotta make this thing compile so I can commit and get to work. |
| 09:30:31 | Zagor | markun: no, it's completely separate |
| 09:30:36 | ptw419 | ok |
| 09:30:40 | markun | then what's the advantage? |
| 09:30:41 | ptw419 | ty Zagor |
| 09:31:02 | GodEater_ | markun: the advantage is they can't break the main trunk |
| 09:31:08 | Zagor | exactly |
| 09:31:19 | Zagor | and having it on our server makes it visible for all |
| 09:31:30 | GodEater_ | markun: with the caveat that later it will be a bit more work to merge it back in |
| 09:31:59 | markun | will it keep all the commit logs after the merge? |
| 09:32:07 | GodEater_ | markun: should do |
| 09:32:25 | Zagor | the gigabeat boys should merge from the main trunk regularly, so it doesn't pile up to a huge diff |
| 09:32:35 | markun | I still think git would be very nice in this case :) |
| 09:32:51 | GodEater_ | markun: nothing stopping them using git-svn should they choose |
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| 09:32:55 | Zagor | markun: how would git make any difference in this case? |
| 09:33:14 | markun | Zagor: they just checking the changes from main rockbox and from eachother |
| 09:33:21 | markun | or can you do that with a branch as well |
| 09:33:35 | markun | maybe I should start reading before I talk :) |
| 09:33:57 | GodEater_ | dan_a is Mr. Git fan extraordinairre as I recall - maybe ask him |
| 09:34:20 | GodEater_ | in fact I expect him to read the wiki page I did and add corrections ;) |
| 09:34:24 | markun | I just remember we had a hard time merging with our changes back in the rockbox tree while working on the gigabeat f port |
| 09:36:03 | GodEater_ | I agree it'd be nice if they did use it - I'd like to pull from them too - but I wouldn't force anyone to use it |
| 09:36:57 | GodEater_ | having said that though - getting a git repo set up locally that others can pull from was non-trivial :( |
| 09:37:11 | GodEater_ | all the guides out there assume you'll use someone ELSE to do that |
| 09:37:28 | ptw419 | I'm open to any ideas |
| 09:37:39 | aliask | Can I omit the filename in svn commit to get it to commit all changes in the tree? |
| 09:37:50 | ptw419 | but atm we need a way to get all our work put together |
| 09:37:59 | ptw419 | so we know what we hae |
| 09:38:00 | scorche | GodEater_: lostlogi is a fan of it as well =) |
| 09:38:01 | ptw419 | have* |
| 09:38:02 | Zagor | aliask: yes. it works recursively from where you are. |
| 09:38:02 | GodEater_ | ptw419: I think leave it for the time being then ;) |
| 09:38:23 | ptw419 | GodEater: I agree, for the time being |
| 09:38:28 | GodEater_ | if you guys are only just getting to grips with svn, then chucking another tool into the mix you've never used before is not sensible |
| 09:39:06 | GodEater_ | scorche: well then why hasn't he added more stuff to the wiki page then ? ;) |
| 09:40:00 | scorche | he is a busy man |
| 09:41:03 | aliask | Committed |
| 09:41:29 | aliask | Tata all |
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| 09:43:30 | Zagor | FYI: commits in the branch will trigger commit mails, but they will not be shown on the front page |
| 09:43:51 | GodEater_ | will they trigger builds ? |
| 09:44:04 | Zagor | I hope not :-) I'll check. |
| 09:45:15 | Zagor | doesn't look like it. will just committed a bunch of things, and no servers are building. |
| 09:45:35 | GodEater_ | isn't it a 60 second check ? |
| 09:45:52 | Zagor | ah, right. let's wait and see then. :-) |
| 09:46:18 | Zagor | I'm not sure where Bagder keeps the master script. |
| 09:46:46 | GodEater_ | up his sleeve somewhere I think |
| 09:47:03 | scorche | Zagor: speaking of, do you know if he will be around soon? |
| 09:47:05 | Zagor | but most likely it's doing a 'svn log' against the trunk, which won't see commits in the branch |
| 09:47:16 | GodEater_ | good :) |
| 09:47:38 | markun | the forums have become terribly slow here, does anyone notice the same? |
| 09:47:48 | GodEater_ | markun: I always get that this time of morning |
| 09:47:49 | ptw419 | sometimes |
| 09:47:53 | scorche | markun: they typically are around this time |
| 09:47:57 | Zagor | scorche: I don't know. He's on vacation, but I don't know when he'll be home/at his computer. |
| 09:48:09 | scorche | Zagor: oh?...i thought he was back by now |
| 09:48:15 | scorche | when does he get back? |
| 09:48:29 | scorche | or was that the "i dont know" part?> |
| 09:48:39 | Zagor | i'll see if I can find out |
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| 09:49:56 | Zagor | scorche: looks like he'll have vacation until the 29th. |
| 09:50:08 | scorche | wow...ok |
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| 09:50:17 | Zagor | the "i don't know" part is I don't know how much he'll be away and how much he'll be home and possible on irc |
| 09:50:29 | scorche | are you able to discuss with me on copyright technicalities? =P |
| 09:50:34 | Zagor | yes |
| 09:50:39 | scorche | ah!..good! |
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| 09:52:30 | scorche | well, we were putting together the final version of the guidelines for the new theme repository, and we could use a definitive stand to take on the issue of copywrited material...at DCW, we decided that "inspired by is fine as long as images are hand-made...as long as it is not identical which it wont be with our WPS system", however we werent that versed on the entirety of the issue...and i suppose copyrighted images is a "just say no" thing |
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| 10:09:37 | * | scorche inserts a Zagor: into the above |
| 10:11:17 | Zagor | I agree. copyrighted material should be a definite no-no. |
| 10:11:40 | scorche | and the inspired by portion? |
| 10:12:16 | Zagor | inspired by is fine. I think standard copyright law is a good guide here. |
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| 10:12:41 | scorche | is there any way to bring fair use into the equation with copyrighted images? |
| 10:12:52 | Llorean | Zagor: We just weren't sure where standard copyright law would land on say, an interface mimicing say, the exact layout of another interface but with brand new graphics. |
| 10:13:01 | Llorean | Or near exact layout, even. |
| 10:13:04 | Nick_Brackley_1 | Zagor, scorche: a quick question, what are the rules on copyright used with permission? |
| 10:13:34 | Zagor | Nick_Brackley_1: generally no, unless "permission" is something like a CC license |
| 10:13:56 | Nick_Brackley_1 | ok thanks |
| 10:14:03 | Zagor | otherwise permission is difficult to verify and convey to the future persons |
| 10:14:55 | Nick_Brackley_1 | yeah makes sense |
| 10:15:11 | Llorean | Zagor: The current guidelines basically say "You're licensing all of your work under CC-SA3.0, any included parts and if any part is copyright someone else, include the license itself that it falls under" |
| 10:15:28 | Zagor | Llorean: interface copyright is not part of international copyright law, it's strictly a US thing. I think we shouldn't worry about it until it becomes an issue. |
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| 10:16:02 | scorche | Zagor: and is that a no to the fair use question (i wasnt sure where the grounds on that were at all) |
| 10:16:03 | Llorean | Zagor: Okay. I know in the past there's been a lean toward using US guidelines, but I'm happy with a "we'll assume there's elbow room there unless a problem happens" |
| 10:16:41 | Llorean | I'm *almost* certain I wrote something like "If anyone complains, we'll take it down and let you know what needs to be cleared up before it can be reposted" |
| 10:17:05 | scorche | Llorean: well, if you didnt, i will ad dit during my formatting |
| 10:17:19 | Zagor | scorche: fair use is a very gray area. I would prefer if we avoid relying on it. |
| 10:17:30 | Llorean | scorche: Though you might want to add "If anyone complains, and there is any reasonable ground to their claim" |
| 10:18:17 | Llorean | Zagor: That's pretty much my standpoint on fair use. It's hard as hell to make it stick when you need it, and it's gray as to what it even covers unless you're educational (and even then it's hard to rely on) |
| 10:18:33 | Zagor | Llorean: actually we've been pretty consistently turning our backs at the US legal problems with patents and so forth, and referring to swedish law whenever actual laws are cited. |
| 10:18:57 | Llorean | Zagor: Hm, I seem to remember some statements regarding US for copyright. I'm probably wrong. |
| 10:19:19 | Bagder | (for the record, I'm on and off here during my vacation that lasts until the end of July) |
| 10:19:23 | Zagor | yeah we've probably discussed it. |
| 10:19:43 | scorche | Bagder: long vacation =) ...having fun? |
| 10:20:06 | Llorean | One important question: Where's the hosting of the themes site. The question of interface copyright can probably simply be decided by whether they're hosted in the US, or "internationally" |
| 10:20:13 | Bagder | us swedes are spoiled with long vacations, and yes I'm having a good time! |
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| 10:20:50 | Zagor | Llorean: I was going to ask the same thing :-) |
| 10:21:07 | scorche | Llorean: 1&1, which is hosted in a few places...likely the US |
| 10:21:45 | Zagor | actually the server looks to be in germany |
| 10:22:00 | * | scorche references the "a few places" remark |
| 10:22:31 | Zagor | how is it a few places? www.rockbox-themes.org is a fixed IP address. or do you mean it links to other places? |
| 10:22:52 | scorche | Zagor: i am referringt o the whole of 1&1...i hadnt gotten to the actual IP yet |
| 10:22:56 | Zagor | ok |
| 10:23:34 | scorche | and yeah, it does seem to be germany |
| 10:23:35 | Zagor | Brauerstrasse 48, Karlsruhe, Germany :-) |
| 10:23:50 | Zagor | well, at the last owner of the ip block |
| 10:23:50 | scorche | phone: +49 721 91374 50 |
| 10:23:52 | scorche | =) |
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| 10:33:08 | GodEater_ | completely OT - but I shall be flying the Rockbox flag here tomorrow : http://www.thechap.net/content/section_news/chap-events.html |
| 10:33:51 | scorche | ...those crazy british... |
| 10:35:22 | GodEater_ | I say sir, we're not crazy - we're eccentric. |
| 10:35:36 | scorche | you are only eccentric if you are rich |
| 10:35:48 | austriancoder | petur: ping |
| 10:35:48 | GodEater_ | how about moderately well off ? |
| 10:35:56 | scorche | nope...just rich |
| 10:35:57 | petur | austriancoder: pong |
| 10:36:17 | GodEater_ | tell me - am I crazy for going if there's free booze involved ? |
| 10:36:24 | austriancoder | petur: austriancoder.blogspot.com/2007/07/arrrg.html">http://austriancoder.blogspot.com/2007/07/arrrg.html |
| 10:37:10 | austriancoder | petur: I check the endpoint caps field and get this: |
| 10:37:11 | austriancoder | 0x0x128080 -> 100101000000010000000 active IOC LEN: 10010 = 18 |
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| 10:37:19 | austriancoder | looks perfectly |
| 10:37:35 | scorche | no, but...just...wow...i wish something like that happened around here...that is utterly "bonkers"! |
| 10:37:58 | GodEater_ | scorche: it only happens when people organise it - so get organising ;) |
| 10:38:05 | austriancoder | petur: the linked list seems also to be okay.. as trail and head are pointing to 0x40008C00 |
| 10:38:41 | petur | austriancoder: where does "arcotg_ep_queue, bad params" come from? |
| 10:39:41 | austriancoder | petur: I am waiting for an ENDPOINTCOMPLETE register change.. so that i can kick the request from the queue... !list_empty(&req->queue) |
| 10:40:06 | austriancoder | no.. that i can kick the transfer description from the request |
| 10:40:19 | GodEater_ | I need a costume. I think I need a pipe and some braces. Perhaps a monocole. |
| 10:40:35 | austriancoder | petur: if you want I can uncomment it and see what happens.. |
| 10:40:46 | nekura42 | and a cane while you're at it :) |
| 10:40:48 | scorche | i am sure i am thinking of the wrong kind of braces, here |
| 10:41:11 | GodEater_ | I think you call them "suspenders" in the US |
| 10:41:15 | GodEater_ | things to hold your trousers up with |
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| 10:41:37 | GodEater_ | suspenders are lingerie only in the UK |
| 10:41:43 | austriancoder | petur: please fetch http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/Fri%20Jul%2013%2010:28:58%20UTC%202007.patch |
| 10:41:45 | scorche | ah..yes |
| 10:42:09 | austriancoder | petur: and i can tell you where I am not 100% sure if code is correct |
| 10:42:27 | petur | austriancoder: problem is 1) I'm at work now so 2) it would be nice to have debugging sessions in the evening and 3) I have no player myself to to try the code - but I'll have a look |
| 10:43:11 | austriancoder | petur: no problem.. there are enought other talentet coders here :) |
| 10:43:31 | * | austriancoder seeks for a talented coder with a Sansa |
| 10:45:12 | nekura42 | I would like to perhaps someday collaborate with someone on USB functionality on the iPod |
| 10:45:47 | petur | nekura42: meet austriancoder |
| 10:45:55 | nekura42 | :) |
| 10:45:58 | petur | austriancoder: meet nekura42 |
| 10:46:37 | austriancoder | nekura42: fetch current patch.. http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/Fri%20Jul%2013%2010:28:58%20UTC%202007.patch |
| 10:46:42 | Llorean | Why does my "svn update" say I'm at revision 13869 if the last revision is 13867? |
| 10:47:20 | petur | would the S branch have anything to do with it? |
| 10:47:29 | scorche | austriancoder: i believe she said ipod..not sansa =O |
| 10:47:34 | nekura42 | I'm from the #ipodlinux kernel, but I imagine we can share hardware knowledge and what not when it comes to getting USB up and running itself |
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| 10:47:47 | austriancoder | scorche: portalplayer is portalplayer |
| 10:47:48 | Llorean | scorche: Sansa ought to be semi-relevant though, no? |
| 10:48:01 | Llorean | petur: Hm, an interesting thought. |
| 10:48:14 | scorche | austriancoder: i thought "otg" was somewhere in there....heh |
| 10:48:49 | austriancoder | nekura42: ah okay... rx of requests works.. but I dont know why tx fails at the moment |
| 10:49:18 | * | austriancoder thinks that his code should run on ipods too |
| 10:49:31 | ptw419 | petur: that may explain it b/c there have been only two commits to the S branch so far |
| 10:50:01 | * | nekura42 nods |
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| 10:50:12 | Llorean | I couldn't pull up logs for 13868 and 9. |
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| 10:50:51 | ptw419 | Revision 13869 in gigabeat-s branch |
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| 10:50:57 | Llorean | Alright then |
| 10:50:59 | Llorean | Confusion solved |
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| 10:52:03 | austriancoder | anyone wants to try my usb stuff on an ipod? |
| 10:53:18 | midkay | austriancoder: what usb stuff? :) |
| 10:53:52 | austriancoder | midkay: my current work of soc |
| 10:54:07 | scorche | midkay: http://code.google.com/soc/2007/rockbox/appinfo.html?csaid=442BCB079CCE278D |
| 10:55:05 | Nick_Brackley_1 | is this usb-otg? |
| 10:55:24 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley_1: It's likely to contain a lot of the work necessary to begin USB-OTG support. |
| 10:55:39 | midkay | austriancoder: so , "usb stack".. is it a rockbox disk mode for ipods? |
| 10:55:47 | midkay | well, not just for ipods, but.. |
| 10:56:04 | Llorean | midkay: Sansas, but it should be quite useful for iPods too. |
| 10:56:27 | petur | at the moment it is only USB DEVICE, the OTG part is still a dream ;) |
| 10:56:51 | austriancoder | midkay: it will be .. at the end of this summer... at the moment I have a problem with sending an answer back to the host ... and here I need some help |
| 10:56:58 | Nick_Brackley_1 | i have an iriver h300, and am willing to test anything you guys can throw at it ;) |
| 10:57:12 | midkay | austriancoder: cool! well sure, i'd be glad to test. i have an ipod 5G. |
| 10:57:26 | austriancoder | midkay: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/Fri%20Jul%2013%2010:28:58%20UTC%202007.patch |
| 10:57:46 | austriancoder | midkay: you need to build it with LOGF support |
| 10:57:50 | midkay | austriancoder: oh dear.. i'm not set up to compile at the moment :( |
| 10:58:19 | austriancoder | midkay: okay.. will compile it for you |
| 10:58:27 | midkay | if you can build one and compile it, yes, that'd be great. |
| 10:58:33 | midkay | (60gb thus 64MB ram) |
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| 11:00:01 | austriancoder | midkay: IPOD video or? |
| 11:00:07 | midkay | austriancoder: yep. |
| 11:02:15 | austriancoder | midkay: 64 MB ram? |
| 11:02:44 | * | austriancoder is compiling |
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| 11:03:27 | midkay | austriancoder: yep, sorry |
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| 11:04:14 | nekura42 | Ok, well, it's 5 AM now, so it's too late for me to start anything.. however, I saved a bookmark of those pages and will be downloading the Rockbox source at some point. I'll then apply the patch and take a look. My test bed will be a self-contained executable running on a 5.5G 30GB iPod Video under the iPodLinux kernel. |
| 11:04:57 | nekura42 | I'll report back with results once I get that far. |
| 11:06:24 | * | austriancoder is uploading |
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| 11:09:44 | austriancoder | midkay: 1) download precompiled rockbox and install it... 2) diconnect usb and start rockbox... 3) go into debug/developer/logf... 4) connect usb 5) after some time make a logf dump and put it online or mail me it - here is the link http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/precompiled/ipod%20video%2064mb%20RAM/ |
| 11:10:35 | midkay | austriancoder: gotcha, installing |
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| 11:13:43 | midkay | weird, some things are odd with this build, the last 3 root menu items are invisible and some messages seem broken, but i guess it worked. |
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| 11:14:54 | austriancoder | oha |
| 11:15:27 | midkay | and what a lovely time for my host to go down :) |
| 11:16:05 | midkay | austriancoder: email? |
| 11:16:18 | austriancoder | christian.gmeiner@gmail.com |
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| 11:16:58 | XavierGr | gah austriancoder, you sure have guts to post your mail in a logged channel... |
| 11:17:05 | * | petur installs ubuntu in a virtualbox.... |
| 11:17:17 | midkay | austriancoder: sent. |
| 11:17:30 | austriancoder | XavierGr: I trust in gmails spam filter... but yeah.. maybe not so a good idea |
| 11:18:44 | austriancoder | midkay: thanks |
| 11:18:55 | midkay | austriancoder: no problem, let me know if you need anything else :) |
| 11:19:01 | austriancoder | cool... runs on ipod video too :) |
| 11:19:28 | midkay | seems to, except for those glitches i ran into.. maybe because it's a logf build? |
| 11:19:33 | midkay | very bizarre stuff. |
| 11:20:33 | austriancoder | midkay: a friend of my has an Ipod.. so I will do some testing with his ipod, if he allows it |
| 11:21:22 | midkay | austriancoder: cool :) hmm, how close do you think you are? have you just hit a small glitch or are you still in the early stages of coding? |
| 11:22:22 | austriancoder | midkay: I have some parts of a serial driver and looked a little bit in the storage driver.. at the moment I need to find out why tx fails |
| 11:23:12 | midkay | austriancoder: sounds like you know what you're doing, which is always good :) |
| 11:23:55 | austriancoder | midkay: I have spend a lot of time in debuging this issue.. I hope I get it running today... |
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| 11:24:23 | midkay | austriancoder: excellent, i'm looking forward to hearing about your progress. |
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| 11:37:06 | Llorean | linuxstb: Copyright restraints. Either there need to be human gatekeepers or someone needs to go through and weed out any that seem iffy or in violation |
| 11:37:46 | MonkeyTamer | hmm, the change on the gigabeat for bass is slightly confusing, 0-15 now instead of the former decibel scale |
| 11:37:46 | petur | Llorean: Cassandra allready weeded quite a bit during devcon |
| 11:38:09 | * | scorche wonders where the question is that Llorean responded to |
| 11:38:29 | Llorean | petur: Yes, but the idea is that instead of requiring occasional weeding, with the new site (which is also more functionally useful anyway) we just have a human look 'em over before they get posted. |
| 11:38:33 | Llorean | scorche: In the forums. |
| 11:38:49 | scorche | ah |
| 11:39:01 | Llorean | scorche: It's easier to discuss in channel, if he was around and had further questions. |
| 11:39:09 | Llorean | I'm also typing up a response there, for anyone else curious. |
| 11:39:11 | scorche | Llorean: i think it would be best to reply in the thread though for others |
| 11:39:16 | scorche | =) |
| 11:39:40 | markun | MonkeyTamer: ask gotthardt |
| 11:39:46 | Llorean | scorche: Did I mention "junk files, like the .db file" in the guidelines? |
| 11:40:17 | Llorean | Isn't someone going to revert Goddhardt's change until it can be put in the menu properly? |
| 11:40:23 | Llorean | Gotthardt's rather |
| 11:40:32 | scorche | Llorean: no, but i havent touched them yet and will do that either tomorrow or monday...feel free to edit that page |
| 11:40:33 | austriancoder | endpoint0 has rx and tx enabled..hmmm |
| 11:40:59 | MonkeyTamer | seems to have an audible difference for me; gotthardt's commit that is |
| 11:41:20 | markun | MonkeyTamer: is it better? |
| 11:41:32 | MonkeyTamer | it's slightly louder |
| 11:41:40 | MonkeyTamer | I'm trying to notice the differences |
| 11:41:48 | MonkeyTamer | sounds a bit cleaner |
| 11:41:59 | MonkeyTamer | as in less static sounds |
| 11:42:18 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: What's your volume at? |
| 11:42:25 | MonkeyTamer | -16Db |
| 11:42:33 | Llorean | What'd you have your bass at before? |
| 11:42:41 | MonkeyTamer | +3.0 |
| 11:42:45 | MonkeyTamer | and the setting is 10 now |
| 11:42:49 | MonkeyTamer | whatever that means |
| 11:42:54 | Llorean | It means "10" |
| 11:43:04 | Llorean | The codec's datasheets apparently don't say what it means either. |
| 11:43:15 | MonkeyTamer | I understand that, but in relation to Db I don't know how to relate |
| 11:43:18 | MonkeyTamer | oh gotcha |
| 11:43:24 | Llorean | They can't really be related, iiuc. |
| 11:43:27 | amiconn | Yeah, 10 dunnothings. That's what I wouldn't like if I had a gigabeat |
| 11:43:36 | Llorean | You get more bass boost on quieter portions, and less on louder. |
| 11:43:38 | Llorean | It's dynamic. |
| 11:43:46 | petur | loudness? |
| 11:44:03 | Llorean | petur: I think it's just an arbitrary "how much? Oh, 10, okay" |
| 11:44:10 | Llorean | Like volume knobs that go from 0 to 20 |
| 11:44:59 | petur | amiconn: where is our 'if the hardware supports it, we support it' idea gone to? If it makes the output sound cleaner and/or if users like it, why not offer it? |
| 11:45:04 | MonkeyTamer | the difference between 0-15 is actually pretty small |
| 11:45:23 | Llorean | petur: The problem is, it prevents a user from manually setting bass as it is right now |
| 11:45:40 | petur | ok, that has to change then |
| 11:45:50 | Llorean | petur: It should be a separate option (like some of the options the Recorder has for sound modification) rather than replacing "Bass" |
| 11:45:58 | petur | I agree |
| 11:46:08 | scorche | MDR |
| 11:46:10 | petur | didn't know it replaced it |
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| 11:46:27 | scorche | errr...MDB |
| 11:46:31 | Llorean | Just a second option, "Dynamic Bass" or something, and a mention in the manual that it overrides the main bass (assuming it does) |
| 11:46:39 | Llorean | Or whatever it's called |
| 11:47:00 | scorche | adaptive =) |
| 11:47:06 | Llorean | Adaptive, there you go. |
| 11:47:48 | Llorean | But for the moment, it might be nice if it were disabled before it screw up people's settings. |
| 11:48:04 | Llorean | IE, anyone who updates a build and goes "Where has my +16dB of bass gone, it sounds like a bag of shit now!" |
| 11:48:07 | scorche | and it shouldnt be default anyway |
| 11:48:22 | MonkeyTamer | Llorean: haha |
| 11:48:28 | MonkeyTamer | it's not that noticeable |
| 11:48:46 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: If you were one of those crazy people with bass on max, I bet it would be. |
| 11:49:15 | MonkeyTamer | fair enough, the setting at least doesn't sound like -6.0db though |
| 11:49:21 | markun | Llorean: according to wolfson it "usually sounds more pleasant to the human ear" |
| 11:50:07 | markun | so it probably is a violation of the rockbox BoS sound :) |
| 11:51:01 | Llorean | markun: I bet it does sound more pleasant. |
| 11:51:10 | * | scorche hates ambiguous units with a passion |
| 11:51:12 | Llorean | It just shouldn't replace the main Bass option. |
| 11:51:17 | Llorean | :) |
| 11:51:18 | amiconn | petur: The point is to offer it, not to make it the standard |
| 11:51:29 | Llorean | We start with Bass at 0dB boost anywya |
| 11:51:37 | Zagor | if noone else does, I'll take a whack at it after lunch |
| 11:51:44 | Llorean | So with it, we start with Bass and aBass at 0dB and "0" (or Off) respectively |
| 11:51:48 | petur | amiconn: I think we agree then ;) |
| 11:51:49 | MonkeyTamer | well to me it sounds like the Bass isn't so overwhelming, as in not competing with the vocals so much |
| 11:51:59 | Llorean | Does aBass supercede the normal bass setting? |
| 11:52:12 | markun | yes, you can't use both |
| 11:52:19 | amiconn | petur: The commit made it the standard, with no chance to use dB |
| 11:52:24 | Nick_Brackley_1 | is this 'adaptive bass' available on other players? |
| 11:53:24 | Llorean | markun: Then I wonder if it's possible to make it clear just in the menus that one disables the other |
| 11:54:11 | scorche | Llorean: well, since everyone reads the manuals as they should, i dont think that would be the issue |
| 11:54:17 | scorche | s/the/an |
| 11:54:26 | MonkeyTamer | of course |
| 11:54:27 | markun | Nick_Brackley_1: probably, but I don't have the other wolfson datasheets at hand here |
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| 11:54:48 | austriancoder | amiconn: do have some time to help me finding out why tx in my usb stuff does not work? |
| 11:54:48 | Llorean | Can settings be mutually exclusive? For example, setting aBass to "3" automatically resets Bass to 0, and vice versa? |
| 11:54:51 | Nick_Brackley_1 | Llorean: add a new menu item "bass mode −−-> adaptive or linear |
| 11:55:20 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley_1: That'd work too. |
| 11:55:51 | Nick_Brackley_1 | Llorean: i think that would be the easiest to understand from a users perspective |
| 11:55:52 | Llorean | amiconn: You might know this. Any reason "make clean" doesn't remove rockbox-info.txt, rockbox.ucl and sysfont.h for recorder builds? |
| 11:56:11 | PaulJam | Wouldn't it be best to make it like the peakmeter setting. so you have one setting "bass type" with fixed and adaptive , and one setting with the actual value. |
| 11:56:21 | Llorean | PaulJam: That's what Nick said |
| 11:56:34 | markun | but the setting uses different units depending on the type |
| 11:56:45 | Llorean | Yep, that's where it'd get confusing for a user. |
| 11:57:07 | Llorean | Even if they aren't labelled "dB" once mode is changed to Adaptive, I'm sure some will think it is having seen the old values |
| 11:58:01 | scorche | are the menus dynamic enough to change depending ont he value? (i havent looked into jdgordon's code) |
| 11:59:32 | amiconn | markun: The different peakmeter modes also use different units |
| 11:59:39 | amiconn | One uses dB and one uses % |
| 11:59:54 | markun | Llorean, amiconn: do you think the other options of the DAC should be available too? bass filter cutoff and trebble filter cutoff |
| 11:59:55 | MonkeyTamer | it sounds like a better implementation of the bass from a listening standpoint; the lowest setting is not ridiculously low, nor does the max setting have excessive bass (as in blocking in the vocals kind of excessivenss) |
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| 12:00:12 | Llorean | markun: I think I already agreed those should be. If not, I do. |
| 12:00:40 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:01:01 | amiconn | I'll make those settings available on G5 as well |
| 12:01:20 | amiconn | (or rather, keep them available when killing the hw eq screen) |
| 12:01:21 | markun | as long as we have good defaults it doesn't hurt to add them |
| 12:01:41 | Nick_Brackley_1 | i think the adaptive setting needs to be assigned some kind of a unit, to fully remove the confusion |
| 12:01:57 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: Better is probably subjective. If you're looking to make up a deficiency in hardware that reduces the Bass, you probably want a flat amount applied (and the Bass setting is "cheaper" than the EQ) |
| 12:02:05 | markun | some people were complaining about lack of bass in rockbox compared to the ipod OF, maybe that's because of these settings |
| 12:02:09 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley_1: You can't "assign" a unit when there is none |
| 12:02:35 | Llorean | The best we could do is "Off, A little, Some, More, A respectable amount, Halfway, More than half, Even more than that, A good deal, Most" or some such |
| 12:02:38 | Llorean | Which is kinda silly |
| 12:02:45 | Nick_Brackley_1 | well then the unit needs to be discovered ;) |
| 12:02:47 | markun | or a percentage |
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| 12:02:50 | markun | 0 to 100 |
| 12:03:02 | markun | (steps of 6.666.. :) |
| 12:03:15 | Llorean | 6.25? |
| 12:03:25 | Llorean | Oh, wait, 0 |
| 12:03:26 | Llorean | Nevermind |
| 12:03:34 | Nick_Brackley_1 | i was thinking percentage before actually |
| 12:03:51 | MonkeyTamer | what I mean is that the transition between gradations, 0-15, feels like the increase flows, while the previous implementation sounds like steps; this is definitely my opinion and is subjective, I was just providing some input |
| 12:03:56 | markun | Llorean: no, you are right |
| 12:04:24 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: That's probably because you're moving across a much smaller range, with a similar number of steps. |
| 12:04:31 | MonkeyTamer | I agree |
| 12:04:54 | MonkeyTamer | the difference between 0-15 is definitely much lower than previously |
| 12:05:25 | markun | MonkeyTamer: but the difference should also depend on the volume, at a lower volume the steps should be higher |
| 12:05:41 | markun | bigger I mean |
| 12:05:52 | MonkeyTamer | I'll play with it |
| 12:05:57 | petur | markun: no, you were right |
| 12:06:30 | markun | petur: but there is also 0 (off) |
| 12:06:55 | petur | yes, but there are only 15 steps between 0 and 15 |
| 12:07:04 | markun | damn :) |
| 12:07:29 | Llorean | So, approximate percentages (7%, 13%) etc could work. |
| 12:07:38 | markun | yes, I would say so |
| 12:07:45 | Llorean | But it's unclear then why we don't offer the in-between values. |
| 12:07:56 | markun | of course we will get those questions :) |
| 12:08:15 | petur | Llorean: we had the same discussion when implementing the RGB settings |
| 12:08:27 | linuxstb | Does the datasheet describe what 0..15 mean? |
| 12:08:45 | Llorean | petur: True |
| 12:08:54 | markun | linuxstb: no, just 1 (min) and 15 (max) |
| 12:09:13 | Nick_Brackley_1 | Llorean: all values could be chosen and just rounded to the nearest coresponding one? |
| 12:09:35 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley_1: That's a lot of values that don't change the sound, though. |
| 12:09:46 | Llorean | Even though apparently we do that with volume on certain targets. |
| 12:09:54 | Nick_Brackley_1 | true |
| 12:10:15 | Llorean | I think % is the best. |
| 12:10:25 | Llorean | Or just unitless |
| 12:10:34 | Llorean | With a note in the manual saying that it doesn't correspond to any units. |
| 12:10:44 | * | Llorean can't really decide which he likes. |
| 12:10:44 | Nick_Brackley_1 | Llorean: a sliding scale like the graphical eq? |
| 12:11:07 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley_1: I personally would like to have as few of those as possible in the menus. |
| 12:11:13 | linuxstb | markun: Yes, I'm just reading it - so 0 is "off" |
| 12:11:14 | scorche | Llorean: i think to a user, having a percentage that has large gaps that arent selectable is more confusing than units |
| 12:11:42 | markun | we should ask a user! |
| 12:11:42 | Llorean | scorche: I don't think it is, but I think it will become more confusing if say... the feature is implemented on another chip. |
| 12:11:57 | Llorean | scorche: Say a chip that has the scale be from 0 to 7 or something |
| 12:12:21 | linuxstb | I would say just call the "off" and 1-15 |
| 12:12:25 | linuxstb | ^call them |
| 12:12:30 | Llorean | I think I agree |
| 12:12:35 | * | scorche still hates ambiguous units with a passion |
| 12:13:05 | linuxstb | I agree, but there's nothing we can do - there is no unit, or at least the datasheet doesn't describe it. |
| 12:13:07 | markun | scorche: how passionate are you about them? Would you stop working on rockbox? |
| 12:13:17 | Nick_Brackley_1 | i think that will keep it as simple as possible |
| 12:13:23 | scorche | markun: dont make me picket |
| 12:13:27 | markun | :) |
| 12:13:50 | Llorean | Do all of our numbered lists that have units, display the units? |
| 12:14:09 | MonkeyTamer | sheesh Wolfson, if you're going to provide public documentation, at least use non-ambiguous units |
| 12:14:11 | scorche | i think we should display them as ambiguous units, but i am referring to hating the manufacturers rather than our display =p |
| 12:14:16 | markun | from m-w.com: picket: a detached body of soldiers serving to guard an army from surprise |
| 12:15:00 | MonkeyTamer | treble and width do |
| 12:15:18 | MonkeyTamer | everything else in sound has a unit |
| 12:15:24 | Llorean | What I mean is, as long as we're consistent (whenever a unit isn't shown, it means there is no unit, and we don't have implied units somewhere) then I'm quite happy with no units or anything |
| 12:15:30 | markun | MonkeyTamer: which units could they have chosen? |
| 12:15:32 | scorche | markun: slang for a protest typically done outside of a building named after the wood used to mount the signs that people are displaying on |
| 12:15:36 | Llorean | MonkeyTamer: Treble doesn't have a unit? |
| 12:15:44 | MonkeyTamer | no, it does |
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| 12:15:56 | MonkeyTamer | I was listing the ones that do, which are pretty much all except bass no |
| 12:15:58 | MonkeyTamer | *now |
| 12:16:21 | MonkeyTamer | and of course on the EQ the 'Q' |
| 12:16:43 | Llorean | But Q has a set definition for what the value means. |
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| 12:16:47 | scorche | an example of usage: http://blog.mlive.com/annarbornews/2007/06/protestors_uaw_workers_debate.html |
| 12:17:07 | MonkeyTamer | so then bass is the only undefinable one |
| 12:17:15 | Llorean | Like if you had a menu setting "Kilometers Per Hour" units wouldn't need a display under it. ;) |
| 12:17:43 | MonkeyTamer | I really don't have a good concept of what Q really is to be honest |
| 12:17:52 | Llorean | I think as long as the only time no units are listed is when there really are no units, I think it's fine to do it. |
| 12:19:06 | MonkeyTamer | if one tried to put a value to it, the difference between 1 and 15 audibly compared to the old one during a bass line subjectively sounds around 3.0Db |
| 12:20:12 | markun | MonkeyTamer: I believe it's dB btw |
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| 12:20:33 | MonkeyTamer | I was hoping that would be disregarded :p |
| 12:20:55 | MonkeyTamer | I noticed it after typing but didn't feel like correcting myself |
| 12:21:00 | markun | well, you made the same mistake earlier so now I thought it couldn't be a typo |
| 12:21:22 | MonkeyTamer | prrobably exhaustion for me |
| 12:21:28 | MonkeyTamer | its 3:21 AM here |
| 12:21:32 | Llorean | The pinky's just one character ahead of where it needs to be. |
| 12:21:36 | MonkeyTamer | and I've been up since 6 |
| 12:21:39 | scorche | linuxstb: re: rockbox-themes.org, we still think that the element of us manually going through themes would be best if solely for the copyrighted material issue |
| 12:21:48 | Llorean | scorche: He agreed |
| 12:21:58 | scorche | oh |
| 12:21:59 | scorche | heh |
| 12:22:09 | * | MonkeyTamer is confused by scoreche's link |
| 12:22:10 | Llorean | scorche: If you read what he said, it's basically "One of us looks at the screenshot, then clicks Yes/No" if it were fully scripted. |
| 12:22:12 | MonkeyTamer | *scorche |
| 12:22:15 | markun | MonkeyTamer: just get some sleep man :) We'll be still here when you wake up |
| 12:22:26 | MonkeyTamer | of course |
| 12:22:54 | MonkeyTamer | oh well, I'll be sure to find out the conclusion of the bass debate eventually |
| 12:23:00 | MonkeyTamer | g'nite all |
| 12:23:03 | markun | night |
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| 12:23:18 | scorche | linuxstb: yes..that was actually how i first envisioned the site, but when i got the site dumped into my lap, i figured that it would be easiest (and that the site would be up quickest) if i just did things this way |
| 12:24:32 | scorche | i would love to move to that format, but as i said, others would have to do it as i am incapable of making it that advanced, and the sooner we get the site up, the better...perhaps we can just get it up this way until we can move to that route |
| 12:25:02 | nekura42 | I'm out as well.. night all |
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| 12:25:42 | scorche | and the "small number of admins" atm (and in the future according to current plans) is just redbreva and i, although i dont have any issues with making more (and doubt he would as well |
| 12:25:57 | * | scorche hopes linuxstb is listening and /me isnt typing this out in vain |
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| 12:26:17 | t0mas | hi |
| 12:26:42 | markun | hi t0mas! |
| 12:26:48 | markun | long time |
| 12:26:53 | linuxstb | scorche: Why the rush? |
| 12:27:19 | t0mas | really long time |
| 12:27:38 | t0mas | but now end of university year.. and 2 weeks no work apointments.. |
| 12:27:49 | t0mas | so time to do some fun stuff again :D |
| 12:28:15 | linuxstb | I've also missed the background to this - is the plan for it to still be hosted where it is, but RaeNye has agreed to give more people access to the server to help admin it? |
| 12:29:23 | scorche | linuxstb: it has needed to be done a while ago, and the longer we wait, the more themes have to be re-submitted (as a fresh start would be better imo than pruning the current repository)....as well, this interfaces with rbutil, and i would like to be able to have it point to officially approved themes rather than the current whatever-is-on-r-t-.org including copyrited material themes as it is now |
| 12:29:34 | markun | nice firmware update http://dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.4024 |
| 12:29:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: The plan is to make r-t.org the official host for WPSes, and drop the wiki portion. Since it allows both more organization, and integration with RBUtil nicely |
| 12:29:43 | markun | starts to look a lot more like rockbox :) |
| 12:29:44 | scorche | yes...when this goes live, rockbox-themes.org wll point to is |
| 12:29:58 | scorche | and the owner is RedBreva...not RaeNye |
| 12:30:15 | * | linuxstb has a bad memory for nicks |
| 12:30:57 | linuxstb | OK, I guess if you're happy to do the manual admin, it makes sense to make it live asap and then improve the background stuff. |
| 12:31:00 | Nick_Brackley_1 | so who is going to write this new site? |
| 12:31:06 | scorche | indeed |
| 12:31:23 | linuxstb | Wouldn't "themes.rockbox.org" be a better name though? |
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| 12:31:34 | linuxstb | Just so people know it's official. |
| 12:31:49 | * | markun agrees |
| 12:31:53 | * | Llorean nods too. |
| 12:31:58 | scorche | i definitely wouldnt mind us eventually moving towards the route you described (especially as that is how i envisioned, but could not implement) |
| 12:32:10 | scorche | linuxstb: the plan was to have themes.rockbox.org point to r-t.org |
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| 12:32:21 | linuxstb | Seems an odd plan... |
| 12:32:36 | scorche | as the swedes would not like FTP access to their servers likely |
| 12:32:54 | linuxstb | I'm just talking about the name of the site being changed, not the server. |
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| 12:33:58 | scorche | i suppose we could, although that domain is going to waste =) (or redbreva can just keep that as his personal repository for grey-line themes we dont like) |
| 12:34:11 | Llorean | Well, you can always just have both domains work |
| 12:34:15 | scorche | aye |
| 12:34:20 | GodEater_ | that would be better |
| 12:34:45 | linuxstb | It seems a shame to lose all the themes on the current site - maybe the style of the existing rockbox-themes.org could be changed (so it doesn't look official), and then a new, empty site started on themes.rockbox.org |
| 12:35:04 | scorche | linuxstb: that was part of the plan |
| 12:35:29 | scorche | he was going to move the current r-t to a subdomain and maintian it completely separate from ours |
| 12:35:47 | scorche | god, i cant type... |
| 12:36:17 | linuxstb | BTW, is it a Linux server? |
| 12:36:30 | scorche | it should be |
| 12:36:44 | scorche | yes, it is |
| 12:37:06 | Nick_Brackley | do you have someone to write the new site? |
| 12:37:40 | scorche | well, this past week, i have been getting the site ready for deployment (and it currently is except for the guidelines page) |
| 12:37:55 | linuxstb | What do you think about putting the PHP in SVN? |
| 12:38:06 | * | Llorean thinks it should be. |
| 12:38:07 | scorche | i dont see a problem with having it in svn though and having linuxstb or someone fluent in PHP edit it |
| 12:38:12 | scorche | i was typing that out =P |
| 12:39:04 | markun | too bad we don't have dongs anymore for suggesting we use ASP.NET |
| 12:39:04 | linuxstb | But you only have ftp access to the server, not ssh? |
| 12:39:38 | scorche | we have both, but i have not needed ssh access and so didnt ask for it |
| 12:39:51 | scorche | what will ssh access be needed for? |
| 12:39:55 | linuxstb | I'm just thinking we may want to run housekeeping scripts on the server |
| 12:40:05 | linuxstb | e.g. if a WPS tag changes, run a script to fix all WPSs |
| 12:40:12 | scorche | ah |
| 12:40:22 | Llorean | That would be handy. |
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| 12:40:26 | scorche | i would have to run that by redbreva, but i dont see why not |
| 12:40:30 | Nick_Brackley | indeed |
| 12:40:30 | safetydan | markun, I can suggest Java and JSF it that helps :) |
| 12:40:38 | markun | a lot! |
| 12:40:41 | Llorean | Or if a font is added to SVN, check exiting WPSes for it and remove it from the archive, etc? |
| 12:40:48 | linuxstb | But I guess we could have "export all WPSs" and "import all WPSs" admin options to allow that to be done offline. |
| 12:40:51 | Nick_Brackley | i'm fluent in php and sql |
| 12:41:07 | scorche | linuxstb: i would much rather have that done offline if possible, yes |
| 12:41:21 | * | linuxstb is just used to poking live servers |
| 12:41:26 | Llorean | scorche: Online would be a good deal faster as long as it's a low-risk script |
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| 12:42:10 | scorche | true...i just dont know how picky 1and1 is...they got mad at me for a cgi script on scorche.cleansoap.org once... |
| 12:42:33 | linuxstb | Are the WPSs currently stored as zip files on the server? |
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| 12:43:15 | scorche | they are currently stored as zip files, a txt file to pull the info from used to generate the page, and 1 (or 2) pngs to display when the page is built |
| 12:43:28 | scorche | it is (of course) built on each request |
| 12:44:02 | scorche | the txt file has items like the submitters name, description, etc |
| 12:45:59 | linuxstb | Are any automated checks currently done on the uploaded zip file? |
| 12:46:07 | scorche | not currently |
| 12:46:56 | safetydan | amiconn, have you already done the work of removing the hardware equalizer menu? |
| 12:49:20 | linuxstb | scorche, Llorean: What about themes that need patches? Are they going to be hosted? |
| 12:49:52 | scorche | linuxstb: that was the plan...i have a subdirectory with the separate repository, rules, and fields all set up |
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| 12:50:15 | Llorean | Hosted, but completely separated. |
| 12:50:19 | scorche | actually i take that back...it isnt *quite* finished yet |
| 12:50:42 | Llorean | And when automatic 'validation' is working, they won't be subjected to the WPS parser test, of course. |
| 12:50:52 | scorche | linuxstb: perhaps just looking at it will answer some questions http://copy.rockbox-themes.org/patch/ |
| 12:51:12 | scorche | copy.rockbox-themes.org is the version i have been working with |
| 12:51:56 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think if we host them we should do it properly - i.e. have a list of specific patches that are required by the theme, and build versions of check_wps with those patches. Although I'm not sure how many patches we're talking about. |
| 12:52:27 | scorche | most links point to the www version as i changed that to be civil with the 2 (basically the same file with minute changes) files for the patches and non-patches site |
| 12:52:48 | GodEater_ | does anyone know if the mAh value for the battery is quoted for an iPod 80GB 5.5Gs anywhere ? |
| 12:52:55 | Llorean | linuxstb: The plan was to require a list of flyspray numbers given with the Theme, but not to do the parse-check, since either we just need a parser with every possible patch installed, or a million parsers (plus we have to keep those up to date as well) |
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| 12:53:11 | scorche | it isnt worth parsing those imo |
| 12:53:14 | linuxstb | scorche: Maybe "For Official Rockbox" -> "For any Rockbox" (if that's true) |
| 12:53:37 | scorche | linuxstb: ah...good idea..i was at a loss for those titles |
| 12:53:49 | lunte | run rockbox on a odys MP X50? |
| 12:54:02 | Llorean | lunte: Rockbox only runs on those player listed on the front page |
| 12:54:14 | lunte | shit |
| 12:54:24 | midkay | scorche: you were not at a loss! what about the names i gave you. :( |
| 12:54:37 | lunte | thanks |
| 12:54:47 | scorche | midkay: i used those...pretty much |
| 12:54:52 | markun | lunte: it's not impossible to support it |
| 12:55:00 | markun | but takes a lot of dedication |
| 12:55:14 | markun | lunte: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 12:55:27 | midkay | scorche: right, and suddenly you're at a loss for such names? :( |
| 12:55:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: I wouldn't mind a parse-test of some sort for the patched ones, but I'm not sure how feasible setting a reliable one up is (and maintaining it as patches change their tag requirements, etc) |
| 12:55:49 | scorche | midkay: i was describing my state before... |
| 12:56:00 | Llorean | It seems easier to make it clear that those have no guarantee, "unsupported" in the same way unsupported builds are. |
| 12:56:05 | scorche | definitely |
| 12:56:21 | midkay | scorche: but you said "good idea" as if you were accepting them. |
| 12:56:22 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think it depends on how many patches there are, and how frequently they tend to change. I haven't been following that area at all. |
| 12:56:50 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well, in terms of patches that are in our tracker, there may only be about 4. |
| 12:56:59 | linuxstb | But e.g. if there are a small (3 or 4) number of patches that cover the vast majority of WPSs, then we could only host those. |
| 12:57:23 | amiconn | safetydan: nope |
| 12:57:26 | scorche | it isnt worth the effort at all, especially as patches change, some get accepted, features get added, etc |
| 12:57:35 | Llorean | Album Art, which has had set syntax for a while, Custom Scroll Margins, one for a modified progress bar (if I recall), and I think there was one other I can't remember. |
| 12:57:55 | GodEater_ | Llorean: isn't there a multiple-font one ? |
| 12:57:59 | Llorean | Multifont |
| 12:58:00 | Llorean | Yeah. |
| 12:58:02 | Nick_Brackley | multifont, customline |
| 12:58:25 | Llorean | We could do a parser for AA+Scroll+Multifont+Customline, then just flag it as pass/fail for that test, but let them through either way? |
| 12:58:33 | GodEater_ | what does the progress bar one do ? |
| 12:58:50 | scorche | regardless, they are constantly in flux and i really dont think parsing them will do any good (as they are better left like the unsupported builds)...lets just focus on the main site for now? =P |
| 12:58:53 | Llorean | GodEater_: Lets you move a single image across the screen, rather than filling up a bar, iiuc. |
| 12:58:55 | Nick_Brackley | seems like alot of maintance for not much gain imo |
| 12:59:01 | GodEater_ | ah |
| 12:59:26 | scorche | exactly...i really dont think it is worth it on the themes that require patches |
| 12:59:32 | safetydan | amiconn, if you've got better things to do I can always try and hook that up. I'm stuck on my other patches anyway. |
| 12:59:37 | linuxstb | Making a list of these patches would also be useful in terms of deciding why they're not in SVN, and seeing if they can be. |
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| 13:00:27 | scorche | in the future, one would be able to just browse the page and see what numbers people are using |
| 13:00:41 | scorche | (near future, as in when the themes are submitted) |
| 13:02:16 | Llorean | linuxstb: Multifont requires a good chunk of memory, Album Art = MOB, Scroll Margins = Viewports, and I believe CustomLine = Viewports as well |
| 13:03:43 | Llorean | In regards to multifont, I've wondered aloud at one point if it'd be possible to simply pre-render the strings for the WPS and any given song, and (for the song) store it in the buffer, so that a full font isn't necessary. |
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| 13:05:09 | Llorean | Of course, it wouldn't work well with say, changing WPSes mid-playlist. |
| 13:05:47 | amiconn | Llorean: The unicode layer does lru caching anyway. Fonts are rarely loaded completely (some even can't be) |
| 13:06:01 | * | amiconn wonders what happened to markun's rework ideas |
| 13:06:55 | Llorean | amiconn: So in the case of multifont support for WPSes, can the caching simply be extended to glyphs from separate fonts somehow? |
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| 13:08:00 | t0mas | back :) |
| 13:08:13 | scorche | t0mas: for good? =P |
| 13:08:23 | t0mas | hehe.. who knows? :P |
| 13:10:00 | markun | amiconn: I know.. lazyness.. |
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| 13:13:05 | linuxstb | Llorean: I'm just thinking that it would be good to try and focus development effort on the popular WPS features - to get more people using unofficial builds. A lot of people seem to only want Rockbox for its theming capabilities... |
| 13:13:27 | linuxstb | ^I meant more people using official builds... |
| 13:13:42 | Llorean | I assumed so. :) |
| 13:13:44 | Llorean | I agree |
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| 13:14:05 | Llorean | But most of the popular theme features have been addressed one way or another, I think, and have a requirement for entry |
| 13:14:10 | linuxstb | e.g. maybe just a wiki page describing the patches, and what the problems are, and maybe ideas for solutions. |
| 13:14:16 | Llorean | That would be nice. |
| 13:14:52 | linuxstb | What's the "custom line" patch? |
| 13:15:00 | scorche | anyway...to get back to the site (i would like to get to bed soon), should we proceed with the plan on making the current version (with my modifications) live and when the backend is revamped to eliminate the human equation (linuxstb or someone fluent in PHP), we make that live |
| 13:15:19 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think it's Y positioning in WPses for lines? |
| 13:15:42 | linuxstb | OK, then yes, viewports will meet that need. |
| 13:15:52 | Llorean | I'm not 100% sure that's that patch though. |
| 13:16:37 | linuxstb | I also remember the custom line height patch, which could still be useful with viewports (as IIUC, viewports will still allow line-based text within them) |
| 13:16:40 | Llorean | scorche: I do agree it'd probably be nice to try to get it up, with maybe a warning posted that theme approvals might be "slow" until the system is improved. |
| 13:17:06 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yes, I was quite fond of that patch, but apparently it didn't like scrolling (or something, I remember there being something that turned out not to work) |
| 13:17:07 | scorche | linuxstb: your thoughts?...getting the site into svn is included in that plan |
| 13:17:51 | linuxstb | scorche: I think the most important thing is the (C) issue - anything else can be changed in the future. |
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| 13:18:18 | linuxstb | e.g. we could accept unofficial WPSs now, and then run them through check_wps in the future to confirm what unofficial tags they're using. |
| 13:18:23 | * | scorche takes that as a "sure" |
| 13:19:10 | linuxstb | scorche: Yes, I've no objections go going live asap |
| 13:19:50 | scorche | and would you mind editing the pages to do as we wish, or shall i hunt for someone else (no strict timespan on that) |
| 13:20:34 | linuxstb | Llorean: Maybe something like "FutureWPSFeatures" - a list of features generally agreed to be desirable, along with links to patches that implement them, and comments about why the patch implements it in the wrong way (and hence is not in SVN). |
| 13:21:47 | Llorean | linuxstb: Sound good. Should I request in some of the more popular unsupported build pages that they feel free to populate the page with "Theme related patches" that can then have relevant When/Why info filled in by someone in the know? |
| 13:23:48 | Llorean | I'll put Album Art up as a sample even. |
| 13:23:59 | linuxstb | scorche: There's room for more than one person - so if others are interested, let them go ahead. I'm not particularly fond of PHP hacking, but will be happy to do some work on it - I'm thinking about the validation of the uploads and how check_wps could be used. |
| 13:24:31 | scorche | linuxstb: alright...perhaps i shall make a wiki page on it later |
| 13:25:33 | Nick_Brackley | im interested in php hacking and have experience, if you decide you need a hand |
| 13:25:34 | scorche | i wouldnt really call the code of the page "pretty", but it works =) |
| 13:26:15 | scorche | Nick_Brackley: i will keep that in mind if you plan on staying around here for a bit...thanks =) |
| 13:26:16 | linuxstb | Llorean: That could work, but we need to be careful it doesn't turn into a free-for-all page where people submit feature requests. I was thinking of something more like a sort of developer-related "to-do" and technical discussion page. |
| 13:26:44 | scorche | i would think a wiki page would do that justice, and am not sure why we need to go into the forums... |
| 13:27:00 | linuxstb | scorche: Is the PHP very hard-coded for the existing site, or should it be easy for people to install locally? |
| 13:27:19 | Nick_Brackley | scorche: yeah i'm a long time user of rockbox and really want to contribute something back, im here for the long haul :) |
| 13:27:19 | Llorean | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FutureWPSFeatures ? |
| 13:28:11 | scorche | linuxstb: it used to be more local, but i have been making it a bit more hard coded at least for the moment while i was dealing with a few versions of basically identical pages |
| 13:28:19 | scorche | i can make it more local, i suppose |
| 13:28:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: Maybe only those with an existing patch, no feature requests? |
| 13:29:03 | linuxstb | I normally do something like have an "ini.php" file defining site-local variables. So to use the site locally, you swap the ini.php file. |
| 13:30:13 | scorche | linuxstb: i really have tried to stay away from php in the past and now it is starting to bite me... |
| 13:30:30 | linuxstb | Llorean: Not necessarily - e.g. viewports could be described as the feature, and things like scrolling-margins and customline could be referenced as partial patches for that feature. |
| 13:31:12 | Llorean | linuxstb: "Only non-rejected patches, or features confirmed by developers" then? |
| 13:31:28 | Llorean | I'm just trying to put together guidelines for what should be on the page. |
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| 13:33:04 | linuxstb | I was thinking of an introductory sentence saying something like "This page describes WPS features that are considered by the developers to be desirable for future versions of Rockbox, and the current state of their implementation". |
| 13:33:47 | Nick_Brackley | linuxstb:nailed it |
| 13:34:41 | safetydan | Someone want to check I haven't broken anything with this: http://iocaine.org/wm8758_hwaudio.diff |
| 13:35:26 | safetydan | Patch basically removes the hardware eq and changes the audiohw_set_bass in wm8758.c to use the EQ1 for bass and EQ5 for treble |
| 13:35:36 | safetydan | cutoff frequencies are currently hard coded |
| 13:36:33 | Llorean | linuxstb: Go look at the page now? |
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| 13:40:10 | Nick_Brackley | Llorean: just an idea, would indenting the Scroll Margins info distinguish it better as a sub-catagory of sorts? |
| 13:42:32 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley: Doesn't seem to be a good solution for indent other than manually typing a lot of spaces. How does HR look? |
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| 13:44:25 | Nick_Brackley | Llorean: I like the HR it separates the sections nicely, although i still think something needs to be done for the sub items, smaller font, italic or something along those lines? |
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| 13:44:41 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley: Technically it is a smaller font in the header. |
| 13:44:55 | Llorean | I'm just using the default twiki syntax for "sub-item" |
| 13:45:20 | Nick_Brackley | Llorean: ok no worries |
| 13:45:30 | scorche | Nick_Brackley: you can also see quite clear the difference in the TOC |
| 13:46:38 | Nick_Brackley | scorche: yes and that was my reasoning for a change in sytle/formating for sub-items, to keep with the TOC |
| 13:46:56 | scorche | the TOC is automatically generated depending on the page |
| 13:47:20 | Llorean | Anyway |
| 13:47:27 | Llorean | Added one little line to the intro area |
| 13:47:49 | Llorean | Think it's okay if I request in a few build threads that users feel free to add to that page, within the guidelines? |
| 13:48:21 | Nick_Brackley | ah ok. makes sense |
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| 14:04:26 | linuxstb | Llorean: Your page isn't what I have in mind now - I've moved from "here are the patches, this is why they're not included" to "here are the features we want, and here is the current status of any effort to implement them". |
| 14:05:31 | Llorean | linuxstb: Does mine come off as "here's why they're not wanted"? |
| 14:06:00 | linuxstb | IMO it's too focused on existing patches, rather than taking a step back and thinking "what features do we want?" |
| 14:06:18 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 14:06:32 | Llorean | How do we do that without it just becoming a secondary feature request site? |
| 14:06:52 | linuxstb | With my suggested introductory paragraph... |
| 14:07:09 | linuxstb | i.e. make it clear that it's features developers want - so users don't think they should be adding features there. |
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| 14:07:49 | Llorean | linuxstb: Where is your suggested introductory paragraph? |
| 14:08:09 | linuxstb | 25 minutes ago in the logs (just one sentence, not a para) |
| 14:08:17 | Llorean | Oh, just that sentence |
| 14:08:18 | Llorean | Okay |
| 14:08:32 | linuxstb | I think that's all the intro needs to say. |
| 14:08:51 | Zagor | regarding the adaptive bass on gigabeat: what do you think about simply having two settings. and when one is set the other is nullified? slightly confusing, but it would avoid the need for a "switch" where you select that bass mode |
| 14:09:50 | linuxstb | I think that would be slightly confusing... |
| 14:10:03 | linuxstb | So changing one setting would change the value of the other? |
| 14:10:10 | Zagor | yes, to 0 |
| 14:10:22 | Zagor | I know, it's not ideal. but neither is a "switch" |
| 14:10:24 | linuxstb | I'm not keen on settings being changed behind the scenes. |
| 14:10:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: Your sentence, + "Please only post WPS and themeing features that have an existing patch that is working toward inclusion, or a feature that has been confirmed as planned by developers." ? |
| 14:11:08 | Llorean | How 'bout, if you try to change one, and the other is a Non-Zero, a splash saying "Bass must be deactivated" |
| 14:11:10 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think that's implied by the first sentence, and it shouldn't depend on the existence of a patch. |
| 14:11:14 | Llorean | Or "Bass must be 0" |
| 14:11:20 | Llorean | Rather than an automated change. |
| 14:11:29 | Llorean | linuxstb: That's why the "or" is in there. |
| 14:12:10 | Llorean | But I guess you're right |
| 14:12:20 | linuxstb | I always think less is more... |
| 14:12:53 | Zagor | Llorean: I think that would actually cause even more confusion :-) "why won't rockbox let me set any bass?" |
| 14:13:00 | Llorean | Alright, the intro is three sentences. Your sentence. One mentioning that patches can be grouped as parts of a feature, and the one saying "This isn't the place for debate" |
| 14:13:38 | Llorean | Zagor: Well, I think I actually like the "switch" best, personally |
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| 14:15:41 | Nick_Brackley | Zagor: I think switch is the simplest easy to understand solution, too |
| 14:15:49 | linuxstb | What about having the "Bass" setting change (from dB to 1-15) depending on what you've selected as the current bass mode? So they would be two settings, but only one ever visible in the UI at any one time. |
| 14:16:36 | Zagor | linuxstb: good idea. |
| 14:16:44 | Nick_Brackley | linuxstb: yeah sounds solid |
| 14:16:50 | Llorean | I thought that's what was meant by having a switch |
| 14:17:30 | linuxstb | Yes, you would have a switch, but hide the non-active bass setting. (and call them both "bass") |
| 14:17:31 | Zagor | Llorean: actually my first idea of the switch was to select which setting is used. but linuxstb's variant is much better. |
| 14:18:19 | Nick_Brackley | i think that is the ideal way to go linuxstb |
| 14:19:04 | linuxstb | Hopefully the settings menus can cope with dynamic items... |
| 14:19:25 | Nick_Brackley | linuxstb: yeah are there any in there currently? |
| 14:19:35 | Llorean | I thought someone said the peakmeter setting does. |
| 14:19:52 | Llorean | The range changes if you're using linear vs logarithmic or whatever the options were. |
| 14:20:09 | Llorean | Which is kinda why I thought we were talking about having the values offered change already. ;) |
| 14:20:10 | linuxstb | Sounds the same as the bass issue then. |
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| 14:20:46 | Nick_Brackley | yeah so as long as we keep it consistent it should be ok |
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| 14:27:37 | Zagor | hmm, our sound settings are a bit off from wolfson's recommendations |
| 14:28:52 | Zagor | specifically the cut-off frequencies |
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| 14:30:57 | Zagor | has anyone here looked any at it? we have the bass cut-off hard-coded at 200Hz instead of the recommended 130Hz for instance. |
| 14:31:30 | Zagor | with the "if the hardware supports it, so should we" philosophy this should probably be user-settable as well... |
| 14:32:53 | Llorean | Zagor: I believe Amiconn mentioned we can have it user-settable on the UDA1380s as well. |
| 14:33:07 | pixelma | I believe markun mentioned something about it before not sure if that's what meant... |
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| 14:35:31 | markun | Llorean: so you we planning on adding the options, right? |
| 14:35:36 | markun | were |
| 14:35:52 | Febs | It is user-configuration on the UDA1380. I don't remember the available cut-off frequencies offhand, but I do remember seeing it in the datasheet. |
| 14:36:14 | Febs | user-configuration/potentially user-configurable |
| 14:36:47 | Llorean | markun: I wasn't planning on adding anything but an opinion. Honestly, the only time I use sound altering controls is to try to fix some bad audiobooks ripped from old tapes. |
| 14:37:06 | Llorean | I don't remember who mentioned interest in doing it. |
| 14:40:33 | Febs | UDA1380 bass boost edge frequency can be either 250 Hz or 300 Hz, treble boost edge frequency can be either 1.5 kHz or 3.0 kHz. |
| 14:42:30 | markun | Zagor: these values are at 48kHz, can we just scale them for 44.1? (119 and 184) |
| 14:42:42 | Febs | At 250 Hz, the gain range is 0 to 18 dB. At 300 Hz, the gain range is 0 to 24 dB. |
| 14:42:52 | Zagor | markun: yes |
| 14:43:13 | Zagor | "All cut-off frequencies change proportionally with the DAC sample rate." |
| 14:44:02 | amiconn | The UDA datasheet is somewhat unclear on this |
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| 14:45:05 | amiconn | They mention that the cutoffs change with sample rate, but are fixed otherwise. A bit later they mention this off/minimum/maximum tone control setting, saying "fc" (whatever that is) change with it |
| 14:45:40 | amiconn | Those "fc" could be the cutoffs, but they have somewhat odd values for treble/bass cutoffs.... |
| 14:45:55 | amiconn | (see log from this morning) |
| 14:46:11 | Zagor | I just noticed that the mdb_* settings are included for all targets... |
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| 15:01:02 | Zagor | the menu system has changed a lot since I looked at it last :) |
| 15:02:09 | Zagor | I guess I should look at the code more than twice a year... |
| 15:03:01 | linuxstb | Llorean: This is the approach I had in mind for the FutureWPSFeatures page - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/FutureWPSFeatures.txt |
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| 15:06:24 | Llorean | So, basically just a "Status" page for UI Development? |
| 15:06:31 | Llorean | Or, specifically WPS |
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| 15:32:04 | [Ray] | austriancoder: do you happen to have linux2rb.h floating around somehwere? seems to be missing from your patch |
| 15:32:39 | austriancoder | upps.. will add it in the next one |
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| 15:41:52 | excitatory | so i've been using rockbox on my 2gb nano for a year now and love it to death.. ..but obviously 2gb isn't exactly cutting it.. so i'm ready to buy a new device.. if money was no object, what rockbox-compatible device would you choose? |
| 15:41:52 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, I guess you could call it a status page - listing the features that we want, how we want them to be implemented, and what efforts (if any) are ongoing to implement them. |
| 15:42:16 | Llorean | linuxstb: Go ahead and replace it then. I just misunderstood. |
| 15:42:33 | Llorean | excitatory: Depends pretty heavily on what features you require. |
| 15:42:41 | Llorean | I'd choose an H140 with an 80gb drive. |
| 15:42:47 | linuxstb | excitatory: There's no single best player - everything is a compromise. Do you want flash or disk, fm radio, recording, very long battery life, colour LCD, .... |
| 15:43:10 | Llorean | I think coming from a Nano, if you just want "Bigger, better, and more battery life" the Gigabeat F/X series are where to look. |
| 15:43:22 | excitatory | Llorean: i need space, and the ability to play flac/ogg. i guess i'm interested in video, but have never played around with it outside of my pc |
| 15:43:40 | excitatory | ..but video isn't necessary |
| 15:43:51 | linuxstb | FM radio or recording/ |
| 15:43:52 | linuxstb | ? |
| 15:43:59 | linuxstb | (the Gigabeat F lacks those) |
| 15:44:11 | excitatory | i would take the radio if it were available, but it's not imperative. |
| 15:44:34 | linuxstb | Is 15h-20h battery life good enough, or do you want more? |
| 15:45:02 | linuxstb | excitatory: This page may help - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 15:45:53 | excitatory | well, i guess i wouldn't mind the most battery life available.. my 7-8 hrs on my nano is killing me. |
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| 15:47:48 | excitatory | ok, thank you all :D |
| 15:49:50 | excitatory | ..so i haven't been here in a while.. |
| 15:49:59 | excitatory | are you guys getting swamped with iphone questions? |
| 15:50:24 | linuxstb | What's that? |
| 15:50:26 | petur | none |
| 15:50:32 | excitatory | nice. |
| 15:50:38 | Llorean | I think most of them happened before the release. |
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| 15:52:15 | excitatory | that one, and future multi-touch enabled devices seem like they're going to pose quite the challenge to hack/reverse-engineer.. |
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| 15:52:47 | Zagor | excitatory: multitouch is not a problem. hard encryption is. |
| 15:52:52 | Zagor | and apple is not the first to do it |
| 15:52:52 | excitatory | GodEater_: yea, i still need to view it |
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| 15:55:29 | excitatory | Zagor: indeed. i guess the problem i was thinking of, is that rockbox would have to incorporate all sorts of new features in order to utilize a multi-touch (or even touch?) technology. |
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| 15:55:57 | excitatory | since to my knowledge, none of the compatible devices are any 'touch' |
| 15:56:40 | Zagor | excitatory: touch is merely an x/y coordinate input from a serial port or similar. dual touch is two pairs of coordinates. it's nothing magic. |
| 15:57:13 | Llorean | Not to mention you don't have to implement touch at all if there's other input methods, it's not key to being able to use Rockbox. |
| 15:57:14 | excitatory | well, it _is_ magic to someone who struggles to write a bash script :D |
| 15:57:19 | Zagor | it wouldn't be very difficult to for example keep track of which areas each menu entry occupies and allow direct-select |
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| 15:57:54 | excitatory | i suppose |
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| 15:58:09 | Zagor | but as Llorean says, it's not certain touch is even wanted on a device you mostly keep in your pocket... |
| 15:58:23 | chrisjs169_ | jhMikeS: you around? |
| 15:58:25 | Llorean | Direct select would be awkward with small fonts. |
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| 15:58:55 | excitatory | very true |
| 15:59:11 | Llorean | I'd just divide the screen into four triangles with bases on edges, and make them "Up" "Left" "Right" and "Down" like the joysticks, then make the center "Select" |
| 15:59:27 | Llorean | Forget about anything really fancy. |
| 15:59:32 | Llorean | But I'm a simple person. |
| 15:59:49 | Zagor | it could probably be fun in some plugins/games though |
| 15:59:59 | Llorean | Oh, abolutely |
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| 16:00:31 | linuxstb | Or just write a new list widget designed for touch screens, and use it instead of the existing implementation. |
| 16:00:54 | Llorean | I'm thinking one idea for next year's SoC (assuming no work gets done before then) is isolating the "Application" part of Rockbox to the point where it can be compiled with the intent of being a stand alone app (making it more suitable for port to interesting targets that can run applications) |
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| 16:01:16 | linuxstb | Llorean: A SummerOfCode 2008 page... ;) |
| 16:01:25 | Llorean | Basically, a real UI for an "App" build, etc. |
| 16:01:43 | linuxstb | I agree that would be nice - I would like Rockbox as my desktop music player. |
| 16:02:12 | Zagor | linuxstb: can't you do that with the simulator already? |
| 16:02:19 | Zagor | not very polished though :) |
| 16:02:35 | petur | I think the idea was to create a 'PC' (x86) target |
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| 16:03:49 | linuxstb | Or multiple ones - you could use Qt, GTK, ncurses, SDL, whatever for the UI. |
| 16:03:59 | Llorean | Yup |
| 16:04:00 | petur | yes |
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| 16:06:04 | linuxstb | Llorean: But yes, it's a perfect SoC suggestion - something everyone wants, but no-one will ever actually get round to doing... |
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| 16:09:44 | Soul-Slayer | Has anyone considered making an irc bot of some sort that a few people could use, where you could just do a single string, like !man or !buyguide or something, so as to get rid of all the easily solved documented questions people ask without having to spend time finding the link? |
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| 16:13:33 | petur | my_question site:www.rockbox.org/twiki |
| 16:13:42 | petur | in google |
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| 16:28:01 | amiconn | re touch screens - the Cowon D2 is a touchscreen target... |
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| 16:29:22 | saratoga | for GSOC2008 I'm hoping we get someone to work on mpegplayer |
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| 16:29:29 | saratoga | maybe ever write an h.264 codec for it |
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| 16:30:17 | low_light | interesting...the m:robe lcd commands are similar to the archos (ssd1815) |
| 16:33:16 | amiconn | The lcd command sets are rather similar in general |
| 16:33:23 | amiconn | Is the m:robe monochrome? |
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| 16:34:00 | TiMiD[FD] | hi there |
| 16:34:44 | TiMiD[FD] | any english native speakers here ? |
| 16:34:46 | low_light | amiconn: yes. 1bit vertical |
| 16:34:59 | TiMiD[FD] | I've a sentence I don't understand.... |
| 16:35:14 | Mardoxx | shoot |
| 16:35:28 | TiMiD[FD] | "my friend had strictly specific that this shall me a gers only shopping trip..." |
| 16:35:40 | Mardoxx | that isnt english |
| 16:35:43 | Mardoxx | sounds like american |
| 16:35:46 | TiMiD[FD] | from a singaporian guy |
| 16:35:54 | Mardoxx | ah |
| 16:36:13 | linuxstb | Makes very little sense to me either... |
| 16:36:21 | TiMiD[FD] | yes |
| 16:36:26 | Mardoxx | my friend has specifically told me that this will be a gers.. (germans?) only shopping trip |
| 16:36:27 | TiMiD[FD] | she must be on crack ... |
| 16:36:28 | Mardoxx | maby? |
| 16:36:52 | low_light | this shall be a girls only... |
| 16:36:58 | Mardoxx | probably |
| 16:37:09 | Mardoxx | yah most likely |
| 16:37:10 | Domonoky | jeah, women and shopping :-) |
| 16:37:14 | Mardoxx | girls += shopping ;) |
| 16:37:19 | TiMiD[FD] | ah that makes sense |
| 16:37:27 | * | linuxstb likes those kind of shopping trips - he's excluded. |
| 16:37:41 | * | Mardoxx likes tham and is included... |
| 16:37:46 | * | Mardoxx is a transvestite |
| 16:37:48 | Mardoxx | :O what?! |
| 16:38:05 | * | TiMiD[FD] hates to go shopping with girls |
| 16:38:16 | Mardoxx | lol |
| 16:38:32 | * | TiMiD[FD] just comes back from a 4 hours session |
| 16:38:32 | Mardoxx | hmmmmm |
| 16:38:37 | Mardoxx | damn creative :'( |
| 16:38:47 | TiMiD[FD] | with 2 japanese freaks |
| 16:38:54 | Mardoxx | oh god D: |
| 16:40:56 | TiMiD[FD] | but I wonder why is she sending me a mail to tell me that she cannot go shopping with me ... I never asked her out in the first place ... |
| 16:41:27 | amiconn | low_light: Interesting... a PP target with a monochrome screen... |
| 16:41:28 | Mardoxx | ^o) |
| 16:41:51 | amiconn | I hope that you'll adapt the grayscale lib for m:robe |
| 16:43:25 | Mardoxx | how's the progress of rockbox on ZVM? |
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| 16:49:44 | low_light | amiconn: I will try eventually...I still need to figure out the touchpad before the thing is usable |
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| 16:51:01 | TiMiD[FD] | erm |
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| 16:51:11 | TiMiD[FD] | what does "OEC" means ? |
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| 16:51:53 | TiMiD[FD] | I've got that : "Well, maybe we shall meet again at the OEC Dorm?? ;o)" |
| 16:52:45 | linuxstb | "dorm" is dormitory - where students live. I'm guess OEC is the name of a college or university. |
| 16:53:06 | TiMiD[FD] | Osaka EC ... |
| 16:53:28 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
| 16:53:32 | TiMiD[FD] | thank you |
| 16:54:13 | TiMiD[FD] | but I don't want to meet her ... |
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| 17:03:56 | low_light | amiconn, linuxstb: any ideas on why would the m:robe (pp5020) would get stuck in the "Initialise bss section to zero" in crt0-pp.S? |
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| 17:10:22 | linuxstb | So you have a bootloader and are trying to make it load a Rockbox build? |
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| 17:11:54 | low_light | linuxstb: yes. mi4 bootloader works fine. It will load OF, but gets stuck loading rockbox. |
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| 17:12:12 | TiMiD[FD] | low_light: just my curiosity, but on which target are you working ? |
| 17:13:19 | linuxstb | low_light: How do you know it's stuck in that part of crt0-pp.S? |
| 17:13:37 | low_light | TiMiD[FD]: Olympus m:robe MR-100 |
| 17:13:52 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
| 17:14:00 | TiMiD[FD] | I don't know this onz |
| 17:14:09 | TiMiD[FD] | always nice to see new ports anyway |
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| 17:15:36 | low_light | linuxstb: I can turn the the touchpad leds on/off using the gpio ports. I narrowed it down to that loop. Leds turn on before it and are *supposed* to turn off after, but never do. |
| 17:16:01 | TiMiD[FD] | olympus ... I thought you were gonna make rb run on a camera .... |
| 17:16:16 | Mardoxx | da fuck is the point? |
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| 17:18:10 | linuxstb | low_light: The only reason I can think of for the loop never ending is if the code is being overwritten somehow. i.e. that the _iram* values are incorrect. Have you looked at a disassembly of your code to see what values r2 and r3 are being initialised to? |
| 17:20:35 | low_light | I will try. |
| 17:21:51 | linuxstb | You could try something like "arm-elf-objdump -D -b binary -marm apps/rockbox.bin" and compare that with crt0-pp.S. |
| 17:27:59 | Arathis | amiconn: any progress on fixing the h10 freezes? :( |
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| 17:31:46 | low_light | linuxstb: r2 = 0x5811E (_edata), r3 = 0xB1484 (_end) |
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| 17:41:36 | webguest10 | Hello, anyone there to help? |
| 17:42:01 | webguest10 | I Have just downloaded a theme and extracted to my iPod 5th gen, how do i activate this theme? |
| 17:42:19 | linuxstb | Main menu -> Settings -> Browse Themes and select it. |
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| 17:42:53 | webguest10 | woohoo, thats alot :D |
| 17:43:01 | * | bluebrother wonders if FS #5923 should get rejected |
| 17:43:35 | webguest10 | how come it isnt like it is in the picture on Rockbox themes? |
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| 17:43:46 | webguest10 | all thats changed is the background colour =/ |
| 17:43:47 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I thought it already was... |
| 17:44:03 | bluebrother | linuxstb: we had a patch rejected that does this for the file browser. |
| 17:44:14 | bluebrother | but I think I'll just go and reject that request. |
| 17:44:19 | linuxstb | webguest10: Then your theme is broken in some way, so didn't load correctly. Most commonly you're trying a theme that requires an unofficial (modified) version of Rockbox. |
| 17:44:43 | webguest10 | Ok, how do i delete this theme, so i can try another one? |
| 17:45:11 | linuxstb | You don't have to delete it - just choose another from the Browse Themes menu. |
| 17:45:43 | linuxstb | Deleting it is done by deleting the files you unzipped - you need to manually do it from your computer (or from Rockbox if you're very patient) |
| 17:45:52 | webguest10 | oh okay, thanks. il try another. On http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=320x240x16, are they not all official then? |
| 17:47:46 | linuxstb | Read the description underneath them - ones labelled "Any Recent Daily Build" should work. |
| 17:48:14 | linuxstb | (under Min Version:) |
| 17:48:37 | webguest10 | ohhhh :) very clever, thanks alot |
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| 17:48:51 | webguest10 | is it possible to do wnload those other builds easily or not worth it? |
| 17:49:58 | bluebrother | those other builds are unsupported. You can find them in the unsupported builds section of the forums |
| 17:50:18 | bluebrother | but be aware that you won't receive any support for those builds here / in the forums. |
| 17:50:22 | webguest10 | ok |
| 17:50:48 | webguest10 | I am extractin to the correct place yes? the /E: |
| 17:51:08 | bluebrother | well, if your player has the drive letter e: then it's e:\ |
| 17:51:13 | webguest10 | yes |
| 17:51:31 | bluebrother | btw, you can also use rbutil for installing themes. |
| 17:51:48 | bluebrother | check this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 17:52:15 | webguest10 | just 1 more, further up linuxstb said i do not have to delete the previous theme which i did not have the correct build for, if i keep it, will it harm my ipod in anyway seems as i dont have the correct build or can i just leave it? |
| 17:52:49 | low_light | linuxstb: anything odd about these values...r2 = 0x5811E (_edata), r3 = 0xB1484 (_end) |
| 17:53:11 | webguest10 | hmm that does look good i might just download that Rockbox utility, thanks :D |
| 17:53:57 | bluebrother | well, if you have arbitrary files installed on your Ipod it might explode *g* |
| 17:54:04 | bluebrother | seriously, it's just some files on the player |
| 17:54:24 | bluebrother | how should that be capable of harming the player? |
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| 17:54:52 | webguest10 | sorry i have no idea, im really dont know jack about technology/computing |
| 17:55:17 | bluebrother | a themes is just a bunch of text and graphics files |
| 17:55:43 | bluebrother | even if you install the wrong build on your player it won't get harmed −− it just won't work properly |
| 17:55:56 | webguest10 | ok thanks |
| 17:56:00 | bluebrother | and Ipods are really hard (almost impossible) to brick at all by putting software on it. |
| 17:56:15 | webguest10 | ok |
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| 17:56:26 | webguest10 | this new theme works a treat :) thanks again |
| 17:56:40 | bluebrother | if anything goes wrong you always can do a full restore using itunes. |
| 17:56:53 | webguest10 | ok |
| 17:56:56 | bluebrother | that will everything that's on the Ipod though. |
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| 17:57:28 | webguest10 | just while we are on the subject of itunes, is that still the way i get music on, jsut the formal way? |
| 17:57:39 | webguest10 | normal way * |
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| 17:57:52 | bluebrother | you can do that if you like |
| 17:58:06 | bluebrother | that way also the Apple firmware will recognize the files you put on it |
| 17:58:16 | bluebrother | in Rockbox just enable the database. |
| 17:58:20 | webguest10 | ok |
| 17:58:37 | bluebrother | alternatively, just put the files somewhere on the player. You can just browse by filetree |
| 17:58:49 | bluebrother | when you use itunes the files get renamed to something strange |
| 17:59:06 | webguest10 | oh ok |
| 17:59:21 | webguest10 | anyway i think il give this rockbox utility a go now |
| 17:59:34 | bluebrother | so unless you don't need to reconizes the files you need the database in that case ;-) |
| 17:59:59 | bluebrother | I can really recommend you the manual. It covers most of the initial questions |
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| 18:00:05 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 18:00:25 | webguest10 | ok thanks |
| 18:00:49 | webguest10 | im guessing im just extacing the utility to my computer this time, rather then my ipod :)? |
| 18:01:23 | bluebrother | yup, rbutil runs on your computer |
| 18:03:09 | webguest10 | should i download the fonts package or is it not nessecesary |
| 18:03:23 | linuxstb | low_light: Sorry, I have to run now - I would compare them to values in the rockbox.map to see if they make sense. |
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| 18:05:21 | bluebrother | webguest10: you should. |
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| 18:08:36 | webguest10 | ok |
| 18:09:07 | webguest10 | does the rbutil tell me what builds are needed for the themes? |
| 18:09:13 | webguest10 | i cant seem to see it anywhere |
| 18:10:05 | Domonoky | webguest10: the themes in rbutil come from rockbox-themes.org, and this site filters them, so there should only be themes which work with the official build |
| 18:10:18 | webguest10 | oh ok thanks |
| 18:10:47 | webguest10 | ive noticed themes are taking longer to download/unpak with the butil, is this normal? |
| 18:11:55 | Domonoky | could be, but i dont know, and it doenst really matter.. |
| 18:12:16 | webguest10 | ok |
| 18:14:59 | bluebrother | depending on the graphics included a theme may be bigger than another |
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| 19:08:55 | Soul-Slayer | The wiki says that the gigabeat LCD driver is only 50% complete, is this true? It seems pretty completed to me |
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| 19:19:49 | amiconn | hrrrrmmm |
| 19:20:13 | amiconn | I can now confirm that the boosting bug I observe has to do with voice and isn't codec dependent |
| 19:20:39 | Llorean | Oh? |
| 19:20:43 | amiconn | If voice is enabled, the CPU stays 100% boosted regardless of how much performance the codec needs |
| 19:20:55 | amiconn | Stays 100% boosted during playback that is |
| 19:21:21 | amiconn | It only gets unboosted when stopping playback |
| 19:21:32 | amiconn | This applies to all swcodec targets |
| 19:21:52 | amiconn | Tested H180 and mini G2 now |
| 19:22:37 | amiconn | No wonder I get severely reduced runtime when using the H180 in my car :( |
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| 19:24:15 | low_light | amiconn: did you see my question from earlier? |
| 19:25:01 | low_light | rockbox on the m:robe gets stuck while clearing the bss section in crt0-pp.c |
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| 19:25:16 | low_light | any ideas? |
| 19:26:19 | amiconn | When disabling all voice options during playback, the problem stays until stopping playback. Restarting playback is fine afterwards |
| 19:26:27 | amiconn | low_light: Unfortunately not |
| 19:26:48 | amiconn | This is such a basic operation... |
| 19:27:18 | low_light | would it be overwriting something important by mistake |
| 19:29:21 | amiconn | I'd check the .map and a disassembly whether the addresses are correct |
| 19:29:35 | amiconn | Also take ram remapping into account |
| 19:31:34 | low_light | The .map and disassembly have the same values |
| 19:31:55 | low_light | is that area remaped? |
| 19:32:38 | amiconn | Well rockbox remaps sdram to 0x0 on PP, as arm wants its exception vectors there |
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| 19:33:00 | amiconn | I don't know where sdram is located on m:robe after boot |
| 19:33:36 | amiconn | So far, PP5020+ targets (most iPods, H10) have it at 0x10000000 |
| 19:35:31 | jhMikeS | amiconn: voice boosts thread. playback starts. voice waits at mutex. mutex waits don't unboost cpu. :) |
| 19:36:50 | amiconn | But why doesn't voice unboost when it's done? |
| 19:37:04 | amiconn | ...before entering the mutex again |
| 19:38:02 | Llorean | amiconn: But it unboosts if playback is stopped? |
| 19:38:07 | amiconn | yes |
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| 19:39:34 | jhMikeS | amiconn: a thread doesn't unboost until it blocks with a timeout. infinite wait don't unboost. :\ |
| 19:40:24 | amiconn | You're talking about auto unboost |
| 19:40:39 | amiconn | But we can still use manual boost/unboost |
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| 19:42:00 | amiconn | And why does voice need to boost, btw? At least on cf, 45MHz should be more than enough for decoding 12kHz mono mp3 at < 64kbps |
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| 19:42:18 | jhMikeS | we could but if it's only only thread with a boost count it will switch a lot |
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| 19:43:08 | jhMikeS | It always should during playback or it's really sluggish. It doesn't need it when stopped. |
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| 19:45:43 | amiconn | Voice could keep an idle timer. If no voice for more than 1 second, unboost |
| 19:46:29 | amiconn | This could still cause a quick unboost->boost sequence, but not often |
| 19:46:56 | amiconn | Such a sequence could happen in other places too of course |
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| 19:47:58 | webguest07 | Hello guys, i have just downloaded the theme "Theme X HighBar" and it was fine |
| 19:48:12 | webguest07 | i then changed the font and now the display is all mucked up with different font sizes |
| 19:48:24 | webguest07 | is their anyway to find the defauly font with this theme? |
| 19:48:33 | webguest07 | default* |
| 19:48:34 | bluebrother | webguest07: just reload the theme |
| 19:48:43 | webguest07 | how do i go about that? |
| 19:48:52 | webguest07 | just choose from "brose themes"? |
| 19:48:56 | webguest07 | browse * |
| 19:48:58 | bluebrother | well, the same way you loaded the theme the first time |
| 19:49:38 | webguest07 | kk done, thanks |
| 19:49:39 | bluebrother | alternatively you can open the theme configuration file (in /.rockbox/themes) and check for the font: line |
| 19:49:39 | jhMikeS | amiconn: really, I think a blocked thread need to have its boost count at least temporarily removed if blocked too long. There's other scheduler stuff in my head like a proper treatment of priority inversion so it's not an explicit thing elsewhere in the code. |
| 19:51:05 | webguest07 | ok fantastic, thanks alot bluebrother |
| 19:51:32 | amiconn | Depends on how long it blocks... maybe unboost if blcoked >1 second, then reboost on unblock |
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| 19:51:59 | * | amiconn still thinks all this auto-unboost and priority stuff made the scheduler more complex than it should be |
| 19:52:28 | * | amiconn also wonders what causes the hard freezes when browsing a lot with voice enabled |
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| 19:52:51 | amiconn | Had to use paperclip equivalents 3 times this week... |
| 19:54:12 | jhMikeS | priority inheritance should be simple to implement. I just need a few details worked out. Keeping interrupts out of the scheduler would simplify things a whole lot. That's part of the core patch but perhaps should be done separately. |
| 19:54:51 | amiconn | Keeping interrupts out of the scheduler? |
| 19:55:16 | jhMikeS | when thet post messages, they wake the waiting threads |
| 19:56:06 | amiconn | Yes, as they should afaiu |
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| 19:56:37 | jhMikeS | there's all kinds of elaborate stuff in there to keep it atomic which can go if interrupts post to a system queue instead. |
| 19:57:33 | * | amiconn can't follow it seems :( |
| 19:58:54 | amiconn | Isn't it just a quick "disable irq - post message - enable irq" sequence? |
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| 20:02:29 | jhMikeS | no, there's a lot to keep the scheduler locked well inside the code and also to wake from interrupt posts on the next tasks switch or a wake from a mutex can corrupt the lists |
| 20:03:48 | jhMikeS | so is the origin of funky functions like set_irq_level_and_block_thread_w_tmo and such |
| 20:04:09 | pixelma | a hard power-off on sansa is "holding the power button for at least 15 seconds" and should always work... right? |
| 20:04:33 | * | amiconn really can't follow now :( |
| 20:05:41 | * | jhMikeS supposes a close following of the scheduler and kernel object code would do the trick and maybe bring other ideas? |
| 20:06:10 | amiconn | I have given up following it closely when those dynamic lists were introduced |
| 20:06:24 | amiconn | The single thread array was nice and simple, and it worked |
| 20:06:39 | amiconn | The priority stuff makes up for further headaches |
| 20:07:21 | amiconn | This is way more complicated than RE-ing some arm code imo |
| 20:07:22 | Llorean | pixelma: Yes |
| 20:07:34 | jhMikeS | the priority stuff wasn't given a treatment for inversion which will bite back without it |
| 20:07:54 | pixelma | Llorean: thanks, just wanted to give the correct info |
| 20:08:38 | * | amiconn admits that he doesn't have experience with thread programming other than rockbox |
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| 20:08:55 | jhMikeS | I'll have to have a look at the old threading and see where things weren't entirely IRQ safe. I suspect the queue race condition existed then. |
| 20:09:31 | amiconn | What queue race condition? |
| 20:09:52 | amiconn | Interrupts are disabled during queue posts |
| 20:09:54 | jhMikeS | Where a thread could get abandoned. |
| 20:10:07 | jhMikeS | they had to be disabled during queue_waits too |
| 20:10:10 | amiconn | The old threading was simple round robin |
| 20:10:24 | amiconn | No thread ever got abandoned |
| 20:10:43 | amiconn | why? |
| 20:11:07 | amiconn | Certainly not during wait |
| 20:11:22 | amiconn | Only during the actual queue read when a message arrived |
| 20:11:43 | jhMikeS | an interrupt could post a message but the thread hasn't gotten to waiting. the thread about to wait on the empty queue (as it saw it at the time) misses the wakeup. |
| 20:12:10 | amiconn | The old threading *always* woke up *all* threads |
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| 20:12:36 | amiconn | The thread was responsible for checking and going back to sleep when there was nothing to do |
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| 20:14:02 | amiconn | So the maximum possible message delay was once tick |
| 20:14:11 | amiconn | s/once/one/ |
| 20:14:35 | jhMikeS | So a task switch over the entire list occurred every time. Now they just stay blocked an take no CPU time. |
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| 20:15:21 | Slasheri | yes, the old threading was not that performance efficient |
| 20:16:21 | amiconn | I think the difference is negletible |
| 20:16:43 | amiconn | Sure, it went through the whole list instead of just the running threads |
| 20:17:12 | amiconn | But how many threads are there? About a dozen. ANd how often does a thread switch occur? |
| 20:17:19 | jhMikeS | I think as rockbox grows more threads it will matter more. |
| 20:17:54 | amiconn | And the sleep check was just moved into the scheduler instead of having it in the threads. The difference being being one function call |
| 20:17:54 | jhMikeS | pretty often actually |
| 20:18:47 | amiconn | The scheduler now needs to check whether to wake up a thread. More complex and error prone than just waking all and letting them do the check |
| 20:19:28 | amiconn | The priority stuff might be necessary on swcodec though to avoid too complex checks in the threads themselves |
| 20:19:34 | jhMikeS | you mean for the timeout list? |
| 20:20:18 | Slasheri | amiconn: for blocked threads there are no checks at all, those are removed from scheduling lists |
| 20:20:29 | jhMikeS | at least these check require no switch to do now. |
| 20:21:30 | amiconn | Slasheri: Some code certainly needs to unblock these when necessary? |
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| 20:21:57 | Slasheri | amiconn: indeed, but that kind of threads can remaing blocked for quite a long time |
| 20:22:21 | amiconn | sleep(1) ?? |
| 20:22:38 | Slasheri | no, that's timeout state |
| 20:22:48 | Slasheri | blocked is mutex or queue_wait |
| 20:23:20 | amiconn | The main thread processing repeat button events... |
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| 20:24:38 | webguest44 | Hi, i was wondering if anyone could help me |
| 20:24:58 | webguest44 | I have instealled rockox on my 5th gen Ipod video and was wondering how to access my video |
| 20:25:07 | webguest44 | all i can find is my music but not my movies |
| 20:26:17 | Soul-Slayer | You can only play .mpg files from within Rockbox, which have been dragged and dropped onto the drive in Disk Mode |
| 20:26:31 | Soul-Slayer | To play videos you put on in itunes you need to use the appleOS |
| 20:26:55 | webguest44 | how do i change back to it? |
| 20:27:06 | Soul-Slayer | When you turn your ipod on, flick hold on |
| 20:27:20 | Soul-Slayer | When it starts booting into the appleOS, take hold off again |
| 20:27:26 | Soul-Slayer | Reset the player to return to rockbox |
| 20:28:04 | webguest44 | Ingenious :) thanks |
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| 20:28:35 | jhMikeS | amiconn: button evens are a very long block |
| 20:30:02 | amiconn | Up to 20 events/sec |
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| 20:31:33 | jhMikeS | threads can run again much sooner than that |
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| 20:54:15 | * | Domonoky reads about a official Theme repository in the forums.. any changes to rbutil needed for this ? |
| 20:55:20 | saratoga | Bagder: can you submit my GSOC evalution? |
| 20:55:31 | saratoga | i think they're supposed to be in soon |
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| 20:55:49 | saratoga | preglow: unless you're actually here? |
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| 20:57:31 | moos | saratoga: don't worries you made a good job ;) |
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| 20:58:42 | Domonoky | whoa gsoc midterm evaluation.. are all students on track ? :-) |
| 20:58:43 | moos | Nico_P is in vacations, no? |
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| 20:59:44 | MonkeyTamer | Well, there's still the final |
| 20:59:58 | scorche | Domonoky: not sure yet...should just be a few minor changes, but as i said when i first started working on it...i will let you know when it is ready to go live =) |
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| 21:00:14 | scorche | saratoga: he is on vacation and isnt really around |
| 21:00:30 | saratoga | who are the GSOC rockbox representives then? |
| 21:00:41 | moos | who is your mentor? |
| 21:00:43 | saratoga | I think anyone who is registered with google can submit it |
| 21:00:51 | Domonoky | scorche: good, tell me if any changes are needed, now at the weekend i have a bit time :-) |
| 21:00:52 | saratoga | preglow, however i believe he is on vaction |
| 21:00:53 | pixelma | scorche: didn't you post a link here regarding the midterm evaluation? |
| 21:01:06 | pixelma | maybe a week ago |
| 21:01:07 | scorche | as i said before, i *think* Llorean was boosted to admin, but i am not sure what that entials |
| 21:01:22 | scorche | pixelma: perhaps...i dont remember me doing that though |
| 21:01:36 | moos | saratoga: since linuxstb help you on your project maybe he is the best one to make your "evaluation" ? |
| 21:01:50 | Llorean | scorche: Yes, I can fill them out |
| 21:02:09 | scorche | Llorean: then you might want to talk with saratoga =) |
| 21:02:10 | pixelma | could be I'm confusing you with someone else... trying to find it in the logs |
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| 21:03:07 | moos | is someone know what the "Clear recording directoryé |
| 21:03:17 | moos | directory" is supposed to do? |
| 21:03:32 | saratoga | looking more closely, it seems we have until Sunday to hand them in |
| 21:03:36 | saratoga | so i'll try preglow again |
| 21:03:46 | Llorean | saratoga: If you don't get in contact with him by the due date, I can fill it in. |
| 21:03:53 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:03:55 | saratoga | Llorean: thanks |
| 21:03:55 | moos | jdGordon seems to doesn't like the "desc:" entry in the .lang file |
| 21:05:01 | MonkeyTamer | how does the grading or evaluating work anyways? Is there some sort of incentive for people keeping on track other than intrinsic motivation? |
| 21:05:28 | Domonoky | MonkeyTamer: money :-) |
| 21:05:38 | MonkeyTamer | oh, that explains it then |
| 21:05:42 | pixelma | moos: you can set any directory as recording directory now (it's in the context menu on a directory). Later you can clear this setting to default to the root again (where your recorded file will end up then) |
| 21:06:15 | scorche | Domonoky: dont forget the shirt! |
| 21:06:25 | moos | pixelma: ah ok I got it now, merci |
| 21:06:38 | Domonoky | scorche: yeah, shirts for those where mony doesnt count :-) |
| 21:07:19 | pixelma | moos: similar to "set as backdrop"/"clear backdrop"... your welcome :) |
| 21:07:51 | moos | yeah that was the "clear" that confused me :) |
| 21:08:33 | pixelma | delete the entire recording directory! ;) |
| 21:10:48 | jhMikeS | does the samsung tuner really need the wait before being unpaused/started or just the philips? sanyo doesn't. |
| 21:12:45 | bluebrother | hmm. Why doesn't the recording dir default to /recordings as it did before? |
| 21:13:58 | bluebrother | and maybe "reset" instead of "clear" would be clearer? |
| 21:16:40 | pixelma | not sure but I believe it has to do with the fact that you wouldn't be able to set the root as recording directory... |
| 21:16:49 | moos | bluebrother: I used reset for french .lang |
| 21:17:04 | moos | that what I thought when pixelma explained me |
| 21:17:23 | pixelma | because you can't call the context menu on your root directory |
| 21:25:44 | bluebrother | hmm. |
| 21:26:02 | bluebrother | but "clear" sounds like it will delete everything in the recording folder. |
| 21:26:18 | moos | thta what I thought first too :) |
| 21:26:56 | moos | the term isn't clear, and even no description on the /lang file for translators... |
| 21:27:28 | bluebrother | I also somewhat dislike that you can't query the current set directory. |
| 21:28:33 | moos | but I guess IdGordon spoke about those changes before to commit? :) |
| 21:29:32 | pixelma | scorche: it was markun... sorry :) But this is what I remembered reading http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/browse_thread/thread/016254a167752533/1262f5e5b2063b47#1262f5e5b2063b47 |
| 21:30:09 | bluebrother | that "write .cfg file" could also better named as "write recording preset" IMO |
| 21:30:47 | bluebrother | would make it not only clearer but also easier to explain in the manual. |
| 21:31:35 | pixelma | bluebrother: maybe it's only a reused string |
| 21:32:17 | bluebrother | pixelma: well, that's possible −− but nothing that can't be changed ;-) |
| 21:32:26 | * | moos try to always be the more teaching as possible for new french users |
| 21:32:26 | pixelma | (makes it "cheaper" if you look at binary size for now) |
| 21:32:51 | bluebrother | doesn't lang files have their own buffer anyway? |
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| 21:33:39 | moos | one that capable to fit the bigest .lang IIRC |
| 21:33:47 | moos | greek or something |
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| 21:34:32 | * | moos go away to enjoy the sun a bit more ;) |
| 21:34:56 | pixelma | I was talking about binary size and every added string to english.lang increases it - that's why the langV2 cleanup.. |
| 21:35:26 | bluebrother | added strings add to the binary size? You sure? |
| 21:36:05 | bluebrother | as far as I understand langv2 is to have target dependent lang files, so the lang buffer can get decreased depending on the number of strings for a target. |
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| 21:38:19 | pixelma | binary size... for example langV2 cleanup helps dropping that by 2500 bytes for my OndioFM - and that's the reason why the recording dir patch increased binary size a bit for all targets also the ones that can't record the way it is atm |
| 21:40:52 | pixelma | only changes to english.lang though as it's build-in so you at least have the english string even if your language file isn't up to date |
| 21:41:07 | pixelma | (as I understand it) |
| 21:43:09 | Llorean | bluebrother: English is compiled into Rockbox. |
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| 21:46:59 | pixelma | Llorean: thanks for putting my chaotic explanations in a simple form :) |
| 21:47:37 | Llorean | pixelma: Honestly I just missed that bit in your explanation. A wee bit scatterbrained again |
| 21:48:01 | pixelma | me, you, both? |
| 21:48:31 | Llorean | Me |
| 21:49:01 | pixelma | me too = both |
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| 21:50:02 | bluebrother | Llorean: ah, haven't thought of that. |
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| 21:54:57 | Soul-Slayer | Has anyone started working on a seek feature for mpegplayer yet, or is that on the back burner for a while? |
| 21:55:07 | Soul-Slayer | Presuming it's planning on being implemented |
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| 21:58:07 | petur | jhMikeS: around? |
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| 22:05:35 | jhMikeS | petur: sitting here wasting time on BOS |
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| 22:06:23 | petur | jhMikeS: I'm looking at the report about a full disk during recording |
| 22:06:32 | jhMikeS | and? |
| 22:06:50 | jhMikeS | the corruption one? |
| 22:06:56 | petur | I don't quite understand enc_events_callback() |
| 22:07:09 | petur | yes, file corruption |
| 22:07:34 | * | jhMikeS puts on recording cap |
| 22:08:01 | petur | the last line in that function is never reached, correct? |
| 22:08:02 | jhMikeS | that's the file split event callback |
| 22:08:30 | petur | writing is done in on_write_chunk() |
| 22:08:36 | jhMikeS | yes, it is if the called functions fail |
| 22:08:58 | petur | huh? |
| 22:09:20 | jhMikeS | if (function()) then return; <= else it drops through to the end |
| 22:09:51 | * | jhMikeS is looking in wav_enc.c |
| 22:09:53 | petur | that last else catches everything, no? |
| 22:10:09 | petur | hmmm right, wrong file |
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| 22:10:28 | * | petur was looking at mp3_enc.c and doesn't know why |
| 22:10:56 | jhMikeS | that one looks ok too |
| 22:11:18 | petur | still, that last else catches everything, no? |
| 22:11:39 | jhMikeS | everything it doesn't care to process |
| 22:12:04 | jhMikeS | if it takes no action it has no reason to fail it |
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| 22:12:52 | petur | well if writing fails, on_write_chunk returns false, and eventually the function returns in the last else clause |
| 22:13:48 | petur | so CHUNKF_ERROR is never set |
| 22:14:37 | petur | doesn't explain file corruption though |
| 22:14:39 | jhMikeS | it jumps to the end, sets the flag and returns. it's been tested and failing a write in there will set it. |
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| 22:15:35 | petur | how does it evade that last else { return; } ? |
| 22:17:04 | petur | that if() else if()... else construction handles every possible code path, that last line can never be reached |
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| 22:20:09 | jhMikeS | if (event == ENC_WRITE_CHUNK) the return gets executed if the function succeeds. the else clause isn't reached. Perhaps a redo using a switch statement equivalent to illustrate? |
| 22:20:49 | petur | the else clause is reached if it fails.... |
| 22:21:36 | jhMikeS | how? I don't understand how you see that. |
| 22:21:38 | petur | my problem is: after that function, any info on the fact that the operation failed is lost (imho) |
| 22:23:01 | jhMikeS | http://rafb.net/p/bB0o8m91.html |
| 22:23:55 | petur | yes, that code would be correct, it is _not_ equivalent to what is in there now, agree? |
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| 22:25:33 | petur | shall I change that and test? |
| 22:25:52 | jhMikeS | no, I don't but feel free to compare |
| 22:27:03 | jhMikeS | once it returns, the error flag is checked in pcm_record.c which aborts it |
| 22:27:44 | jhMikeS | is_file_data_ok in the encoder checks the flag before doing anything as well |
| 22:27:52 | petur | but the flag is _never_ set |
| 22:28:22 | petur | that last else { return;} catches everything.... |
| 22:28:27 | jhMikeS | I've returned false deliberately from those to test and recording stops as it should |
| 22:28:44 | jhMikeS | not if one of the other clauses is entered |
| 22:29:11 | petur | ow sh*t |
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| 22:29:24 | petur | I see now... sorry |
| 22:29:36 | * | petur runs after forehead and slaps hard |
| 22:29:48 | jhMikeS | :) |
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| 22:30:02 | jhMikeS | actually I'm wondering what happens if ATA is asked to write four sectors and only say, 2 are left free on the drive |
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| 22:30:14 | * | scorche thinks forehead should file for separation with all the abuse it gets |
| 22:30:50 | petur | it will return the number of bytes written, and enc_write_chunk returns false because the amount written is incorrect |
| 22:34:16 | jhMikeS | will it catch the overflow on the volume? |
| 22:34:37 | jhMikeS | the ata driver I'm saying |
| 22:35:05 | jhMikeS | if it's _told_ the incorrect amount was written, yes it returns false |
| 22:36:33 | * | jhMikeS notices a funny typo: "called version often - inline" :) |
| 22:38:13 | pixelma | is that an error that occurs always with swcodec recording and a full disk or only sometimes? Because I've never had problems with it on my Ondio (just got the "disk full" splash) |
| 22:38:18 | pixelma | ? |
| 22:38:41 | petur | I have never managed to fill my disk :/ |
| 22:39:20 | pixelma | well that's easier with 128MB of storage internally (though recording as mp3 only) ;) |
| 22:39:35 | * | petur has 30GB free |
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| 22:40:16 | pixelma | with a 80GB disk... |
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| 22:40:55 | petur | :D |
| 22:42:29 | * | pixelma could quite easily try that out on her M5 now (66,4 MB free) |
| 22:43:18 | pixelma | though I can only record from the internal memory atm (no subpack)... |
| 22:45:07 | jhMikeS | Most of the time the problem is clearly caught (see forums) but something in the file apis fails to tell recording the write (should have) failed on a rare occasion :\ |
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| 22:46:42 | jhMikeS | With recording being the biggest user of writing to disk I'd expect any problems with writes to show most often when using it. |
| 22:51:59 | pixelma | so maybe hwcodec recording could have the same problem, just that I haven't encountered it myself |
| 22:55:25 | jhMikeS | possible |
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| 22:57:10 | * | jhMikeS wonders about mostly filling a disk in advance and running recording over and over until the problem hits |
| 22:58:05 | Soul-Slayer | Why not just disallow recording if there isn't atleast 1mb of space remaining or similar? |
| 22:58:28 | Soul-Slayer | Too restrictive? |
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| 22:59:47 | petur | what if you're douing a 3 hour recording to WAV? |
| 22:59:57 | petur | *doing |
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| 23:00:06 | saratoga | would someone mine taking a quick look at my ARM assembly fixed point Multiply Accumulate function? |
| 23:00:19 | saratoga | and tell me if i got the gcc syntax right and all that? |
| 23:00:27 | saratoga | its just 3 lines of ASM |
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| 23:00:47 | Soul-Slayer | Well, have it cut off once it hits 1mb or so... Surely using up every last byte on the drive is going to cause problems anyway, saving config files and similar |
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| 23:03:21 | petur | I really suspect that filling those last clusters will not work out well as they will be scattered around the drive so writing speed will be very slow |
| 23:03:23 | jhMikeS | I need a utility to logically fill the disk to a certain point without actually writing all that data :\ |
| 23:03:48 | petur | or stuff it before testing |
| 23:03:54 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 23:05:32 | jhMikeS | stuffing that much takes a long time too...of coure I wouldn't actually record so much. it just needs to hit the wall. using recording probably isn't needed since disk full can be faked to tests its response to an error return. |
| 23:06:00 | Bagder | you can use dd to create huge files |
| 23:06:37 | jhMikeS | Bagder: without actually writing all those bytes? |
| 23:06:49 | Bagder | no |
| 23:07:07 | Bagder | I guess you could make a smaller partition |
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| 23:13:10 | jhMikeS | hmmm...as long as everything behaves the same as for one big one |
| 23:13:43 | * | petur needs another unit to mess with... |
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| 23:15:50 | jhMikeS | petur: noone with the problem ever said they had multiple partitions or anything? or all? |
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| 23:16:09 | petur | not that I remember |
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| 23:19:04 | jhMikeS | this sort of problem generates loads of speculation...most of it wrong :\ just like that other one. rrr. |
| 23:19:31 | petur | jhMikeS: upon reading the report (5852) again, it could just be that the header wasn't written. Thus creating a wav that looks like it is bad |
| 23:21:54 | jhMikeS | a disk truely full I suppose could do that. just closing a file can require a sector free to fsync it. |
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| 23:22:56 | petur | you mean writing a cached cluster? |
| 23:23:00 | jhMikeS | trying to write the header might try to finish off something at the end. |
| 23:23:08 | petur | I see |
| 23:23:37 | jhMikeS | yes. it has to wait for a full one in order to write, correct? recorded data isn't multiples of 512. |
| 23:23:57 | jhMikeS | not all of it anyway |
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| 23:27:42 | jhMikeS | petur: one person iirc said recording just kept going and never reported an error. didn't you link me to that? |
| 23:28:29 | petur | I can remember something like that but no details... can't remember it was me who told you |
| 23:29:15 | jhMikeS | I think you posted them in the forum |
| 23:29:16 | petur | hmmm when writing the tail bytes, it does a read of the next sector so the close should work as we don't cache more than a sector |
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| 23:31:04 | lymeca | I have a 30GB 4th Gen iPod that is HFS+ formatted that I need to switch to FAT32 in order to put ROckbox on it. |
| 23:31:13 | jhMikeS | petur: and if there's no next sector? |
| 23:31:24 | lymeca | However on the wiki page for converting to FAT32 there is no partition table download for 30GB 4th Gen |
| 23:32:18 | petur | then it returns negative or the number of bytes it did write |
| 23:32:33 | * | jhMikeS supposes recording could try to write the header for everything it did write so far even if an error happens |
| 23:32:56 | petur | that would be nice, yes |
| 23:33:36 | jhMikeS | might save a few more files from needing a repair job |
| 23:35:38 | Soul-Slayer | lymeca, read the note above it |
| 23:35:43 | Soul-Slayer | Above the table |
| 23:36:03 | Soul-Slayer | Oh wait, you have a 4g, sorry, only looked at the '30gb' :$ |
| 23:37:37 | Soul-Slayer | I can't help there, sorry. |
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| 23:52:51 | saratoga | in arm assembly, the shift field always refers to the second operand right? |
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