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#rockbox log for 2007-07-15

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00:06:40webguest64probably better (void*)&myvar
00:06:49webguest64what do you mean by this?
00:07:20webguest64I've tried what you suggested, but I cannot use *myvariable in the plugin
00:09:26Domonokyscorche: where there any consideration about icon sets, for the new theme repository ?
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00:09:52scorcheDomonoky: not really...
00:10:03scorcheshould there be?
00:10:09Domonokythe question is, should those iconsets considered as part of themes, or as soemthing extra..
00:10:59scorchethey are a part of the theme imo, but i am not sure if they should be treated as anything other than "if you have a particular iconset, include it in the zip"
00:11:08Domonokyand the FMPresets are another set of data, where it would be good to have something like a repository.. :-)
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00:12:01scorcheperhaps, but they have nothing to do with themes and they arent something that require a repository like the new one with the actual viewing of that data
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00:12:57Domonokyno for the FMPresets, it would be more the managing things, and of course rbutil.. :-)
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00:13:21scorcheah...that was what you were getting at =)
00:13:40Domonokyat the moment there are various zips for the FMPresets, which is bad to update.. and its not aviable for rbutil :-)
00:13:45scorchehaving the php page for rbutil to easily pull them off
00:13:59varekare there any plans to support 2g ipods ?
00:14:15scorchevarek: we dont really make plans for new targets
00:14:24vareki see
00:14:25Bagdervarek: amiconn is considering taking it up
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00:23:28webguest64petur: yeah, I've just been learning all this, but I have made many changes, and it is worth the effort
00:23:50peturhave fun
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00:24:15scorcheBagder: up late tonight? =P
00:25:04Bagderwell, when I can't do spare time hacks from work I have to sacrifice sleep instead ;-)
00:25:37*Bagder backspaces over that to hide for his bosses
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00:25:56scorchehurry! the logs!
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00:37:16saratogawow matlab really doesn't like it when i copy and paste an array of 16000 fixed point numbers in
00:37:24saratogathey really need to work on making that program not suck
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00:59:23Bawitdabathere a lot of problems with rockbox on ipod 5.5 80gb?
00:59:35Bawitdabai hear a lot of people cant turn them on after they put rockbox on it
00:59:39Bawitdabalike it wont boot
01:00:38Soul-SlayerI haven't heard such a thing
01:00:43Soul-SlayerWhere did you hear this?
01:00:54saratogapower up is handled by Apple's firmware, so it wouldn't be a rockbox issue
01:01:27Soul-SlayerInfact I'm not aware of anyone bricking an ipod (Short of the devs anyway)
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01:27:02dmonhi, i need some help with my ipod mini 2nd gen: i havent charged it for a while and now its not charging anymore, its not recognized by any computer, on reset i see the battery symbol with the flash. i would like to boot into the old firmware to clean up but i cant manage to get there...
01:27:24scorchehave you tried using a wall adapter?
01:27:36dmonnope, sorry. i dont have one
01:27:44dmonjust usb cable might want to get one, or at least borrow one from someone
01:28:21dmondid a reset to get the symbol and connected then for some hours
01:28:48scorcheotherwise, plug it in to a known good (in regards to power output) USB port for a long time (can be as long as 48 hours)
01:29:59dmonwith reset to get the battery symbol or without that?
01:31:18scorcheif you wish...if you can, get it into disk mode
01:33:18scorche is a topic with some helpful advice, but just pay attention to those who are suggesting ideas =)
01:35:03dmonokay, thank you very much :-)
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01:40:32dmonit doesnt reacts on diag mode or disk mode. so i'll be charging it for some days... thanks again for your assistance :-)
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02:07:29mooseranyone know if mpegplayer will have rewind and fastforward features anytime soon
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02:45:21webguest51can i organize the order of main menu?
02:45:49Soul-SlayerNot without editing the source, no
02:46:19webguest51why the volume of the sound came to negative?
02:47:01Soul-SlayerIt's to make it easier for Line Out I believe, so you know 0dB is the line out value
02:47:10Soul-SlayerCould be wrong but that's what I've always thought
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02:48:07scorchewebguest51: because a decibel rating has an actual meaning instead of a percentage value
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02:48:40Buschelfor amplifiers dB-values are used. 0dB = full volume, -xdB = lower volume. even my hifi-amp has such
02:48:44scorchemost high-end sound systems have the volume displayed that wasy as well
02:49:16Soul-SlayerRather impressive that I can hear negative decibels though (H)
02:49:18scorche0dB doesnt mean full volume, per means line level
02:49:27webguest51there area
02:49:31scorcheSoul-Slayer: it is in relation to the line level...
02:49:40webguest51there are a possibility to add lyrics?
02:49:54Buschelscorche: you're right.
02:50:07scorcheyou can add lyrics if you wish, but viewing them is a different matter =)
02:50:26Soul-SlayerUsing the sncviewer patch would allow that
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02:50:36Soul-SlayerGoodbye then.
02:51:07Soapmarkun, I believe I only have the last 3 days of #gigabeat
02:52:33trina_limaomy ipod nano dont have microfone, can i turn off the recording menu?
02:52:37trina_limaodisable it?
02:52:40scorchei have a gap from the 1st tot he 11th =/
02:53:01scorchetrina_limao: your ipod nano can record through the line in as well
02:53:14trina_limaoline in?
02:53:32scorchethere is a line in through the dock connector
02:54:02trina_limaoit means that i can turn on a mic in jack and record sound?
02:54:53scorcheline in isnt necessarily a mic in, but yes if you got the right connector
02:56:03trina_limaooh great
02:59:45trina_limaowhitc means the icon on the top right? near the clock?
02:59:55trina_limaoit appear, and then disapear...
03:00:04Soul-SlayerHard disk in use
03:00:17Soul-SlayerComes on when there is HDD activite, in your case, flash memory activity lol
03:00:29Soul-SlayerSo it's reading/writing
03:00:48scorche"dish activity" is typicalyl easier to say ;)
03:01:17Soul-SlayerBut can you really call flash memory a 'disk'?
03:03:31trina_limaoin video there are now a possibility to change to the next video and do a forwarnd and backward?
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03:03:44scorchenot yet, no
03:03:57scorcheSoul-Slayer: never heard of a "flash disk?"
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03:04:48trina_limaocan i put a password to acesso rockbox?
03:06:09Soul-SlayerNo I haven't, if I'm honest.
03:06:21Soul-SlayerAlways referred to them as 'Flash drives'
03:06:57Soul-SlayerLearn something every day I guess
03:07:12scorchei have heard them called "flash disks" many times, but yes drive is the proper terminology
03:11:03trina_limaothere are a possibility to change icons to more bigs~?
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03:24:36trina_limaoonly have a one keyboard? dont have a keyboard like a PDA?
03:25:02trina_limaoits little
03:25:07trina_limaoand confuse
03:25:56trina_limaovirtual keyborad
03:26:01trina_limaoare confused
03:26:29Soul-SlayerOhh... You mean having a virtual keyboard like a little qwerty keyboard?
03:26:37Soul-SlayerInstead of characters on random sreens?
03:27:02Soul-SlayerDoesn't exist, no.
03:27:23Soul-SlayerYou can type in morse code though, that's gotta be better than 100 qwerty keyboards
03:27:47Soul-Slayer... Why isn't there a QWERTY keyboard type virtual keyboard actually? Aswell as the default and morsecode?
03:28:04Soul-SlayerI mean, I don't use it often, but why isn't it there?
03:28:28trina_limaothanks to all
03:28:40trina_limaoits mt firt day with rockbox
03:28:46Soul-SlayerEnjoy ^^
03:28:58trina_limaoand i like it very
03:29:13trina_limaoi will try ipodlinux too
03:29:28trina_limaoanyone have experience with ipodlinux?
03:29:36Soul-SlayerEveryone in #ipodlinux does
03:29:38trina_limaoits better than rockbox?
03:29:42trina_limaololo :)
03:29:47Soul-SlayerYou can't really compare them
03:30:00trina_limaoits more hard to instal
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03:35:31SoapIPL is linux on your iPod.
03:35:40SoapRockbox is a music player for your iPod.
03:38:10trina_limaowhere i find gameboy games for rockbox?
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03:38:29Soul-SlayerAbout as much info I can give
03:39:03webguest03btw, concerning the keyboard layout: you can load/create your custom layout that uses teh uifont. see here:
03:40:04Soul-SlayerInteresting... Thanks
03:40:56trina_limaoook tanks
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03:52:23trina_limaocaracters like and arent show in my ipod?
03:52:36trina_limaowhich charset did i choose?
03:53:13trina_limaoim in portugal
03:53:19scorchetrina_limao: choose a unicode font
03:53:21trina_limaohere we use acentuation
03:53:58trina_limaoi have choosed it but without sucess?
03:54:10trina_limaomust i reebot ipod to assume newest definition? long as you chose a unicode font, it should show them
03:55:26trina_limaoor latin1 iso 8859-1 or utf-8?
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03:58:37daniel1234Hi, How do I get Wiki write permission
03:58:53saratogadaniel1234: hold on i'll give it to you
03:59:03daniel1234Hi, How do I get Wiki write permission
03:59:23trina_limaoSoul-Slayer didnt work :(
03:59:31daniel1234ok thanks
03:59:45saratogahave you registered an account yet?
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04:00:19trina_limaoantbody help?
04:00:42daniel1234yes My user name is DanielDalton
04:01:10saratogaok added
04:01:34trina_limaosaratoga did you help me'
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04:02:48daniel1234so can i now edit stuff?
04:03:03saratogatrina_limao: help you with what
04:03:25trina_limaoi dont know witch codepage use
04:03:40daniel1234ok thanks
04:03:44Tr1ckY^Gonehow do you sleep when there is +35*C ?
04:03:45trina_limaobecause acentuated caracters like didnt word
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04:04:00Soul-SlayerDo you have to use UTF-8 compatible WPS's? I've never run into that problem
04:04:52scorchetrina_limao: which font are you using?
04:05:02scorcheSoul-Slayer: just dpeends on the font
04:05:30trina_limaodefault font
04:05:55scorchei thought you said you switched to a unicode font
04:06:18Soul-SlayerI think you found your problem then...
04:06:30Soul-SlayerDownload the font package and use a UTF-8 font
04:06:55trina_limaoi have donnwloaded yet
04:06:59trina_limaoi will try another
04:07:09Soul-SlayerThere is only one font package
04:08:27trina_limaoi know
04:09:02scorchehave some more patience instead of asking multiple times as well please...
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04:10:46Soul-SlayerHave you downloaded and put on the font package?
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04:11:55TambuTrying to enable cue support in the 070714 build but every time I say "yes" it say Please reboot to enable. So I do Play/Menu reboot and reload rockbox. But when I go check the setting it still say "no" Is there a different reboot it's refering to?
04:12:17trina_limaobut now i think that i must combine the right font with the right charset
04:13:01SoapTambu, Menu+Select (the middle button) is _reset_, not _reboot_
04:13:35Soapoops, Tambu, I'm assuming you are using an iPod, are you?
04:13:44TambuSoap: er sorry I was doing menu/select not sure why I said play. So what should I do? Ipod Video 5.5g
04:13:59Soaplong press on play to shutdown, then select to boot.
04:14:31Soapmenu+select is a hard reset. You wouldn't power-cycle your windows box and expect it to remember what documents you had open, would you?
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04:14:49TambuSoap: :) true enough
04:14:54Soap(that came out snide, I didn't mean to be snide)
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04:15:39TambuSoap: hrm.. it still didn't save :( CueSupport: Yes hold play till it says shutting down.. then pressed SELECT and booted it back up. correct?
04:16:58TambuSoap hrm trying it again.
04:17:37TambuSoap: still not saving it.. hrm
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04:20:39Soul-SlayerWhy is there such a ridiculous quantity of iPod 5g WPSs?
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04:20:53Soul-SlayerI opened it expecting a moderate list... It's huge o.0
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04:22:07TambuAnyone mind loking in their config.cfg file to find out what the entry is for Cue Support to be enabled?
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04:23:09Soaphmm indeed
04:23:13SoapSoul-Slayer, market share
04:26:14Soul-SlayerThis is ridiculous, I have an H10 and a Gigabeat... I've been using my Gigabeat mostly, turned on my H10 and the screen size is appalling
04:26:28Soul-Slayercuesheet support: on
04:26:35Tambuthx man :)
04:30:26Soul-Slayer240x320 VS 128x128... I used to thing my H10 had a pretty nice screen o.0
04:31:00JdGordonjhMikeS: hey, thanks for fixing the radio debug screen, just as i went to bed i thought i probably broke it again :p
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04:37:33JdGordondan_a: you round?
04:39:06TambuSoul-Slayer: : do you use cue support? I got my cue support enabled by putting it in the config manuall and i think it's working as my .cue files are no longer show up in directories with mp3 files. but when I play the mp3 I don't see anything to indicate cue is working ie fwd just beeps at me.
04:41:23Soul-SlayerI don't, no, but have you read the documentation for it carefully?
04:41:50Tambuwell the wiki anyway. and the forums but they were mostly about adding cue support.
04:42:27Tambufrom what I can tell I should be able to press fwd/prev to change through the cuesheet and it said something about showing tick marks on the progress bar.. (my theme might be blocking that though)
04:42:32Nico_PTambu: have you restarted your player ?
04:43:04TambuNico_P: a couple times. i am pretty sure cue support is working as my .cue files aren't showing up in directories where they were before.
04:43:15Soul-SlayerThey are named the same as your MP3's yes?
04:43:22Soul-Slayereg sample.mp3 and sample.cue
04:43:47TambuHere is a though when you put the MP3 name in the cuesheet do you have to explictly list the path? ie mine is /AudioBooks/AudioBook.mp3
04:44:18TambuSoul-Slayer hrm.. I had it that way before but I think I changed it since it had spaces in it (this was before I figured out the cue enable) wasn't working. Lemme try that again.
04:45:47Nico_PTambu: what's important is that the cue and mp3 files have the same name. the filename listed in the cuesheet isn't evenr ead
04:45:49Soul-SlayerAnd I don't think path has to be specified no
04:46:03TambuNico_P ok great thats my problem then... fixing it.
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04:49:28Tambumuhahaha thanks Soul-slayer thanks Nico_P that did the trick :)
04:49:39Soul-SlayerEnjoy :)
04:49:57TambuI got so sick of the apple os not handling my audio books properly. I stumbled across rockbox.. and so far I'm loving it.
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04:52:45Soul-SlayerThe appleOS is like the only part of the iPod apple had a hand in, and even that's got atleast two replacements... How they're winning the market is beyond me, lol
04:53:29kkurbju1jhMikeS, are you around?
04:53:50SoapSoul-Slayer, it is one thing to love Rockbox over Apple, another to spread FUD
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04:54:15Tambudon't know.. my only concern left is I wish rockbox would interface with my alpine car stereo like the apple os did.. but thats probably some proprietary bs.. perhaps I can get an audio in cable for it.
04:55:11SoapTambu, the interface is known and documented. Someone who cares enough (you?) needs to do it.
04:56:07safetydanSoap, I didn't think there was documentation for the accessory protocol?
04:56:13TambuSoap hrm.. I'm not much of developer.. but perhaps :) When yous ay known and documented you don't have any of the info do you?
04:57:52scorchesafetydan: there is a bit about it in the ipl wiki, but that is about it
04:58:21Soapothers more wise than I have said it's enough (the protocol documentation)
05:00:44saratogasafetydan: the protocol is well documented (its just a serial port so anyone with a PC can record what it sends and figure it out with a little efffort)
05:00:55saratogaits just that we don't have a working serial port on any rockbox devices
05:01:01saratogaat least that i know of
05:01:16safetydanAh, so is there information on programming the controller for the serial port on the iPod?
05:01:23safetydanMaybe that's what I'm thinking is missing.
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05:03:23BHSPitMonkeyare there any docs for porting information?
05:03:33safetydanscorche, is there a datasheet of the serial controller chip though?
05:03:39BHSPitMonkeyor do people do that fairly unassisted...
05:04:05scorchesafetydan: i am not sure, but i think ipl might have serial working
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05:04:35scorchewell, at least on the 3g
05:04:50safetydanHrm, so we have the documentation. I'm kind of surprised no one's even attempted it yet.
05:05:45kkurbjunjhmikeS, I think I found a bug in the gigabeat bootloader that may save some extra power, but I have no idea how much savings to expect, I was just wondering if you still had a setup for measuring power.
05:08:17kkurbjunthere's an option to disable the clock to the sdram when it's not being accessed and it looks like toshiba set the wrong bit, they set a reserved bit next to it, and it's recommended to set it so the clock to the memory stops when it's not being accessed. I have it turned on in my player and it seems to work fine.
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05:10:43Soul-SlayerDoesn't sound like it would save hours and hours, but every little helps I suppose, if you think it's actually saving
05:12:37kkurbjunI havn't used it enough to know how much it saves, I am not going to commit it right now though because it requires a new bootloader and build of rockbox at the moment
05:12:46kkurbjunor if it seems to save
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05:23:02Soul-SlayerHow would Toshiba manage to set the wrong thing? There must be a reason
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05:31:50jhMikeSkkurbjun: Here kinda. I can't image that would account for the extra 40mA though.
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05:37:54saratogahas anyone looked at the IPL serial driver?
05:38:02saratogai don't even know where to look in their source
05:38:25JdGordonhey jhMikeS, were you one of the guys that got the as3415 datasheet?
05:39:23JdGordondoes it mention a wakeup alarm at all?
05:39:35JdGordon.. the config.h says thats the rtc for the sansa
05:40:56jhMikeSI think so
05:42:27JdGordonany chance you might be able to get it going if you have some time? (or pass the DS so i can try?)
05:42:58jhMikeSI don't think I can pass the datasheet around
05:43:05JdGordondidnt tihnk so..
05:43:16JdGordonif you get a achance I would be very gratefull
05:43:36jhMikeSI'm trying to see if that can be added...gimme a sec
05:45:55chrisjs169i didn't see a bug report in the tracker, but could someone confirm that the sansa returns a divide by zero error by going to settings -> general settings -> system -> battery -> battery capacity?
05:46:48jhMikeShmmm...I'm seeing nothing about a wakeup alarm
05:47:28jhMikeSchrisjs169: sure does
05:47:47chrisjs169jhMikeS: so it's a bug?
05:47:57JdGordonjhMikeS: oh well :( thanks anyway
05:48:03jhMikeSof course it is
05:48:21chrisjs169should i submit it to the tracker then?
05:48:39*chrisjs169 hasn't submitted bugs to the tracker before...
05:48:41*JdGordon will fix that after lunch
05:49:29jhMikeSchrisjs169: Are you a divide-by-zero magnet? you found the first ones after I added the trap iirc.
05:50:24chrisjs169jhMikeS: lol - this one was actually reported to me by another user
05:50:50JdGordonbugger... the bug is somewhere in option_screen
05:51:00jhMikeSperdon, divide-by-zero conduit :)
05:51:13JdGordon#define BATTERY_CAPACITY_INC 0
05:51:16JdGordonright there....
05:51:34JdGordonwhy do we even bother with the setting?
05:52:12jhMikeSJdGordon: it out?
05:52:24JdGordonI tihnk thats best
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05:54:49kkurbjunjhmikes, rockbox consumes 40 more ma than the of?
05:56:15JdGordonchrisjs169: fixed, did you open a report?
05:56:23saratogawe don't use frequency scaling, so that probably has something to do with it
05:56:43chrisjs169JdGordon: nope, didn't have a chance to since the problem was found so fast :P
05:56:46saratogathe OF can probably decode mp3 at 40MHz or so, verses rockbox at 300MHz
05:56:58kkurbjunsaratoga, does the of use frequency scaling?
05:57:02JdGordonchrisjs169: ok cool
05:57:23saratogakkurbjun: I can't imagine they'd make an mp3 that had the clock frequency locked at 300MHz
05:57:43jhMikeSkkurbjun: until pcm runs for the first time. it drops from 115 to 72 or so after stopping.
05:58:26kkurbjunhuh, thats interesting
05:58:47jhMikeSkkurbjun: but the 115 also shows up just before the HD shuts off
05:59:02kkurbjunit wouldn't supprise me if they ran at a locked frequency
05:59:33kkurbjunevery time the hd shuts off?
05:59:42jhMikeSI think somethings not being shut off that gets shut off after calling audio_stop
06:00:00jhMikeSJust for a second.
06:00:31jhMikeSIt drops from the running mA to 115 back to the stopped value
06:01:03saratogahow much of a spec sheet do we have for the Gigabeat's CPU?
06:01:04jhMikeSexcept on a cold boot it just stays at the 115
06:01:29kkurbjunsaratoga, a pretty good one, its a SOC the cpu is an arm 920t
06:02:04*jhMikeS wishes he could get the 500+ clock speeds but it's only rated at 300 :(
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06:02:30kkurbjundid they just release different speed grades?
06:02:46kkurbjunif so there's a good chance they'll run much higher
06:02:51jhMikeSthere are I think -20, -30, -50 or something
06:03:02jhMikeSthe F is -30
06:03:18kkurbjunalot of manufacturers just downbin especially once the process is stable
06:03:56saratogathe spec sheet doesn't suggest what could be on?
06:04:05jhMikeSI was thinking of trying 400 and doing a check
06:04:34jhMikeSsaratoga: I'm not sure it's about the CPU at all...perhaps a peripheral like something in the ATA controller.
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06:04:48kkurbjunsaratoga, there's not much of an indication how much each part consumes
06:05:12jhMikeSIt has a mA chart in the DS
06:05:23saratogaso the sheets don't cover the perhiperals ?
06:05:33kkurbjunyes, I saw that, but it doesn't cover everything
06:05:51jhMikeSwhy would the core datasheet cover a cypress ATA chip or the like?
06:05:51kkurbjunfor example this sdram bit, I guess that's more independent of the cpu though I suppose
06:06:25saratogajhMikeS: the ata isn't on the SOC?
06:08:23kkurbjunjhmikes, I'm trying to find the 4k sram on the gigabeats - it's supposed to be at 0x40000000 and that's what I see in my disassemblies of the of bootloader, but when I try and write/read from that address range all I get is 0's - do you know of any other ways to remap addresses than the mmu on the gigabeat
06:09:23jhMikeSactually it's there iirc, but the USB / ATA bridge is separate
06:10:00jhMikeSkkurbjun: I've never looked at using the mmu
06:11:11kkurbjunwell, I'm not really concerned about the mmu, I'm actually using physical addresses, but it's not where I'm looking so I was wondering if there may have been a different way that it was remapped that I'm missing
06:12:08chrisjs169I'm trying to patch apps/recorder/recording.c and make is complaining about AUDIO_SRC_LINEIN - was that renamed to AUDIO_SRC_MIC?
06:12:57jhMikeSchrisjs169: no...linein is an external source and mic is just an internal microphone
06:14:45kkurbjunjhmikes, I wonder if that spike when the ata is being turned off may be related to the circuit that's used for disabling the usb/ata bridge.. do you know if that happens in the of also?
06:14:49kkurbjunthe spike that is
06:15:09jhMikeSit looks to me like boot internal SRAM starts 4KB _before_ 0x40000000
06:15:14chrisjs169jhMikeS: that's kind of what I thought, but it's sort of confusing me, as linein is only in recording.c three times (one's in a comment) in the original file, but even so, it compiles fine. Add the patch (recording enhancements) and make errors out
06:15:33jhMikeSkkurbjun: no idea about OF...I've never even seen it
06:16:11jhMikeSchrisjs169: perhaps go to the REP forum thread and ask mmmm about it
06:16:51kkurbjunjhmikes, that might be it, there's definately something there and I can write to it
06:17:00chrisjs169ok (actually, noticed linein's listed 8 times - dunno where i got the number three from)
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06:20:12chrisjs169jhMikeS: meh, i changed it to something similar in the original file and it worked
06:22:04saratogathe power consumption section really doesn't say all that much
06:22:12saratogathe only substantial draw they mention is the camera controller
06:24:31jhMikeSI'm thinking theres a shutoff being skipped or something but I'm totally making wild guesses but the 115 coming up at cold boost and just before disk shutoff rings as more than coincidental and worth looking into further.
06:25:32saratogahas teh voltage scaling issue been looked into in any detial?
06:26:10jhMikeSnot to my knowledge
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06:26:39saratogaseems like that would be the biggest savings
06:26:58saratogaat least on the PP chips at the same process node, you get 1ma per 4MHz
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06:28:10saratogathough i guess thats for 2 cores
06:30:20kkurbjunvoltage scaling? is there a programmable voltage circuit?
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06:34:43saratogakkurbjun: I was just looking for one and I don't think so
06:35:14saratogaat least i couldn't find anything in the manual, its possible they have an external chip handling it though
06:35:30kkurbjunI'm not seeing it in the traces I have
06:35:32saratogait would make sense, since you could save a lot of power cutting the voltage, though maybe they just don't really care
06:36:46kkurbjunthe battery life as it stands is pretty good, but having current spikes is a bit concerning, especially after certain events
06:37:09chrisjs169not really a big deal, but where'd talk_unit suddenly go? in r13136 (around april..) it was there, and I checked every revision that modified apps/settings.c and didn't see any changes regarding it
06:37:41chrisjs169as of r13510 it's there...
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06:38:19chrisjs169oh, my mistake - didn't check the last revision - now i see it's removed :P
06:39:51saratogawhat was the idea putting the gigabeat S stuff in a forked branch?
06:39:57saratogawon't that just make integerating it harder?
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06:42:38Davide-NYCwhat is the make command for building the manual again?
06:43:48saratogai assumed you made it from the configure script like building a sim
06:44:23Davide-NYCgenerated the autoconf.h and Makefile
06:45:00Davide-NYCI know, but I have no web access (port 80) at the moment (long story)
06:45:19scorchedcc open?
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06:46:30Davide-NYCscorche: I'm totally lost
06:47:51JdGordonchrisjs169: talk_unit moved to gui/option_select.c didnt it?
06:48:19Davide-NYCurg, file utf8x.def not found
06:48:48chrisjs169JdGordon: it's possible, but it was removed from apps/settings.c, and since I've spent over an hour getting that patch to work I just commented those lines out :P
06:49:13JdGordon:) i did a big settings.c cleanup mid last week
06:55:22Davide-NYCQuestion: is there a way to build the manual for an iriver h120 *with* the RTC mod? (including all RTC functions/plugins etc?
07:01:24Davide-NYCnight all
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07:13:50chrisjs169yeah, I noticed :P
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07:37:19JdGordonhaving an identity crisis scorche?
07:38:11scorchenot is a nick i completely forgot i registered and i realized i missed
07:38:19kkurbjunjdgordon, do you have a pointer I can look at for using the new menu api in plugins?
07:39:08JdGordonkkurbjun: a few of the plugins use it...
07:39:17JdGordonthats about your est bet at docs..
07:39:23*JdGordon should type something proper up[
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07:39:53kkurbjundo you know a plugin that uses it properly - a refrence implementation so to speak?
07:40:46JdGordonill find one for you
07:41:32kkurbjunthanks, I'm interested in using it for a test plugin, and I'd like to convert rockboy and doom to use the new menu interface eventually
07:42:10JdGordonlib/playback_control.c uses it in the same way the core uses it
07:42:20JdGordonI tihnk text_editor uses it the way most plugins would
07:42:40JdGordonwith a list of strings and the return value is switch()'ed on
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07:43:10kkurbjunok, I'll look at that and see what I can learn
07:45:13JdGordonyeah, bassically just search for rb->do_menu
07:45:30JdGordontext_editor.c:414 shows how most plugins would use it
07:47:15kkurbjunis text_editor using the old and new interface?
07:47:45JdGordononly the new one I hope
07:47:59kkurbjunwhat about ln 488?
07:48:01JdGordonIm writing up a wiki page for the api, then gonna clean up text_editor
07:48:13JdGordonha, yes, it uses both
07:48:29kkurbjunahh, ok
07:49:03kkurbjunin MENUITEM_STRINGLIST what is the 3rd paramter?
07:49:25kkurbjunand when doing a switch should there be a default case?
07:49:43JdGordonmenu.h.... its the callback for the menu
07:49:52JdGordonand not really needed,
07:50:58kkurbjunok, great, menu.h helps alot
07:53:21kkurbjunjdgordon, should removing the old menu api calls from rockboy end up reducing the plugin codesize?
07:53:53kkurbjunor any plugin for that matter
07:54:52JdGordonpossibly, it will once we can remove the api wrapper from the plugin lib
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07:55:16JdGordonrockboy is getting close to the max plugin size is it?
07:55:33kkurbjunno, it's pretty small, I was interested for the gigabeat
07:55:52kkurbjunthe more space available in the plugin buffer, the more games can fit while music is playing
07:56:07kkurbjundoom is definately right on the edge though
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08:27:29JdGordonanyone know the code for twiki to show the c highlighting?
08:28:23scorcheJdGordon: that is a we even have it installed?
08:29:06JdGordoni tihnk we do
08:29:13JdGordondoesnt matter.. verbatim is good enough
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08:36:14webguest46Where exactly am i suppose to extract itdb2tc, i tried extracting it to Q:\iPod_Control\iTunes but when I try to run it, it just shows command prompt for a split second then closes and does nothing.
08:37:33scorcheyou are supposed to run it fromthe command line, but it isnt up to date anywat, so it is a futile attempt at the moment (although it could have been updated and i missed the memo...)
08:38:22webguest46Where exactly am i suppose to extract itdb2tc, i tried extracting it to Q:\iPod_Control\iTunes but when I try to run it, it just shows command prompt for a split second then closes and does nothing.
08:38:35scorcheyou just said that...
08:39:32webguest46hmm.. Well in that case does that mean theres no way to convert ipod database to rockbox at the moment?
08:40:00scorchejust initialise it on the device itself
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08:55:39*homielowe wishes toffe82 would get better so he can ask him a question
08:56:23markunhomielowe: is it something only he can answer?
08:57:08homielowemarkun: I am bidding on a gigabeat S on ebay that has a headphone jack with one contact broken or something of that nature
08:58:07JdGordontoffe was on earilier today
08:59:26homieloweJdGordon: I was currently occupied in my grocery stores freezer working.
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09:25:52SiebaZmorn guys
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09:26:17SiebaZjust wanted to know if there is an patch for battery life of ipod nano yet?
09:26:44scorchei assume you mean better battery life?
09:27:14scorcheif there was, we would commit it...
09:27:26SiebaZcause 8h r not that much -.-
09:27:58SiebaZbut i heard that it was diff to get they key in how to get better batterylife
09:28:24SiebaZbut anyway rockbox really rox hehe
09:28:25scorcheplease speak proper is hard to understand you
09:28:39SiebaZyeah sry man im german -.-
09:29:11scorchebering german doesnt make you say "sry" instead of "sorry,"
09:29:30SiebaZoky im a lazy german ;)
09:30:20scorchewell, we require that you speak proper engligh so it is easy to understand you and for the logs. we cant help you if we cant understand you =)
09:30:32MonkeyTamerhaha, at least you admit it then, there's no excuse on IRC; you save microseconds not typing the entire word
09:31:03SiebaZkk understand you
09:31:50SiebaZi just wanted to knwo if there is a patch for longer batterylife of the ipod nano
09:31:52SiebaZthats all
09:32:02scorche<scorche> if there was, we would commit it...
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09:32:22SiebaZyeah and with that my question is answerd =)
09:32:58MonkeyTamerbattery life on the ipod is one of the more ubiquitous questions that seem to arise
09:33:00JdGordonoh joy... build server hasnt started again with my newest commit
09:33:55SiebaZyeah -.-
09:34:48SiebaZso thanls for the fast answers .... Im out ;)
09:35:14MonkeyTamerer, see you
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09:47:33JdGordonanyone know if there is a way to draw a semi circle in rockbox core?
09:48:26safetydanJdGordon, maybe rockpaint?
09:48:41safetydanoh, right, in the core.
09:48:55JdGordonim thinking about pretting up the settings screens
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09:49:29safetydanJdGordon, well then you'll have to add a few drawing functions I'd say.
09:49:47JdGordon:( dont really want to...
09:50:10Falco98my GF just put rockbox onto her ipod 4g greyscale...
09:50:20Falco98and is majorly confused about some things
09:50:35Falco98and because i don't own an ipod, i'm not used to the seemingly-random things they tend to do
09:50:42safetydanJdGordon, you'd just have to cut and paste from rockpaint :)
09:50:52MonkeyTamerFalco98: shoot
09:50:54markunFalco98: but you do have a rockbox player?
09:51:10Falco98an iriver h140
09:51:25scorchewhat are these "seemingly random things"?
09:52:16Falco98really certain things pertaining to it having been largely used as a standard ipod thus far,... like, it has a massive collection of itunes music, and we're stressing over how exactly to deal with that
09:52:25Falco98she doesn't really know whether it's charging when it's plugged in
09:52:54MonkeyTamerthe battery icon should have an animation
09:53:08Falco98she reports that there is none
09:53:24MonkeyTamercharging via the wall or USB>
09:53:39scorcheone can always go into the debug screen to the battery screen (i forgot the name) and watch it to see if the voltage increases
09:53:48MonkeyTamerthat's definitely an idea as well
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09:54:06Falco98there she is =)
09:54:13rockinfreehi :)
09:54:34Falco98scorche can you re-post that last line, above?
09:54:42scorche<scorche> one can always go into the debug screen to the battery screen (i forgot the name) and watch it to see if the voltage increases
09:54:57MonkeyTamerwhat other random things: has jdgordon been leaving messages like: "jdgordon was here" ?
09:55:44MonkeyTamerjdgordon: just a joke with respect to Falco98's question
09:56:08Falco98well.. one thing was, she ran the rockbox program that converts the existing itunes DB file to a rockbox file,but it seemed to not really make any difference
09:56:09MonkeyTamerforgot that it would ping you
09:56:15*JdGordon thourouly confused
09:56:38MonkeyTamerno worries ;)
09:57:20scorchemake any difference to what?
09:57:22MonkeyTamerwhat do you mean?
09:57:40Falco98any difference in the way it seemed to work, i guess
09:58:01scorcheplease be more specific
09:58:01MonkeyTamerdoes anything show up upon selecting database?
09:58:22Falco98she'd already enabled database mode previously though..
09:58:34Falco98rockinfree: feel free to pitch in ;-)
09:58:40scorcheand did it display any kind of splash saying anything?
09:58:44MonkeyTamerbut is there an error? does it not change?
09:58:53rockinfreei'm in the debug battery screen now, and it seems to be increasing
09:59:15scorchethen it is charging
09:59:24rockinfreeyeah, so that's good
10:00:10MonkeyTamerplease provide a bit more specifics on what is wrong with the database
10:00:28scorcheMonkeyTamer: no need to repeat me =P
10:00:32Falco98let me lay it out again from the start:
10:00:42Falco98she had DB mode on from the beginning..
10:00:44MonkeyTamersorry, I just wanted to reiterate
10:01:02Falco98then went and ran the db conversion script, and copied those files over
10:01:14Falco98should it have changed anything?
10:01:17scorcheFalco98: was teh DB mode working int he beginning?
10:01:28Falco98i believe so
10:01:34rockinfreeit was as far as i know
10:01:40scorcheare you talking about the itunes to tagcache script?
10:01:56scorchei *think* that is outdated atm
10:02:00Falco98sorry for not nailing the name correctly :-P
10:02:06MonkeyTamerWhat's wrong with the built-in database?
10:02:15scorcheFalco98: well we have lots of "the scripts" =P
10:02:16MonkeyTamerwouldn't it be easier to run it within rockbox?
10:02:20*Falco98 has never wanted nor needed to mess with DB or tagcache stuff :-P
10:02:26rockinfreeohh okay
10:02:31scorcheMonkeyTamer: people find it faster to run ont he computer
10:02:43scorchebut as i said, i dont believe it is in a working state atm
10:03:06scorcheFalco98: aye...i disable it in my builds...
10:03:14rockinfreethen that would explain it
10:03:41Falco98though if a user has already enabled DB mode and built a DB from their tags, wouldn't running the itunes-to-rockbox convertor be just redundant?
10:04:16scorchewell, updates...
10:04:23Falco98or is my inexperience with db mode hurting me once again :-P
10:04:33scorcheif you hadnt made any changes to the files on there, it would be
10:05:42Falco98so.. could she still use itunes to transfer music, without fear of it obliterating rockbox?
10:06:02scorcheit will never obliterate rockbox unless she chooses to restore
10:06:23Falco98(and, completely separate question, can an ipod be powered off during charging? the iriver has no issue with that so it doesn't make sense to me that any other players might :-P)
10:06:28scorcheshe will have to reinstall just the bootloader portion if she updates the apple firmware
10:06:38rockinfreeso itunes auto-syncing won't hurt anything?
10:07:19scorcheright, although having a sane file structure and not depending on a proprietary piece of software is always nice
10:07:54rockinfreeyeah :-P i'm up for ditching itunes, though, if i decide to keep rockbox
10:08:04MonkeyTamergranted, that can take quite a while to do
10:08:22rockinfreetrue ...
10:08:40scorchewell, that depends on how you have it
10:09:04MonkeyTamerIt's at least a job where you have to dedicate a chunk of time, depending on how bad it is to begin with, and how significant certain tags are you have things set up and arranged
10:09:29scorcheif you have a backup of all your music in a sane file structure on your computer already, it isnt
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10:09:44MonkeyTamerthat is true
10:10:14Falco98though if a certain user's main computer only has usb 1.1, it magnifies the time needed for re-transfers by quite a bit...
10:10:49scorcheFalco98: what else is it doing while you are sleeping? =P
10:11:10*SiebaZ is back from 'Sleeping zzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzzzzZZzzzzz' (Gone for 10 hrs, 49mins, 36secs)
10:11:13ansivirusmine cleans my house while i sleep
10:11:22Falco98well the other thing: what (if any) functionality does an ipod dock get, with rockbox?
10:11:23*MonkeyTamer sleeps with his
10:11:29Falco98i mean like.. the remote for my iriver works fantastically
10:11:38scorcheSiebaZ: please disable those scripts for this channel..
10:11:40*SiebaZ is away (somwhere over the rainbow xD)
10:11:54MonkeyTameryou can play music through
10:12:03scorcheFalco98: depends on the dock
10:12:06Falco98but i'm not sure if they've handled that for ipodStuff(tm) yet
10:12:10Falco98she has a scion
10:12:12MonkeyTamerI'm not sure on all, but I know mine would charge
10:12:19Falco98and when the ipod dock is connected, it's nearly brilliant in she hooks it up to her car?
10:12:47MonkeyTamerdon't all of them at the very least output music?
10:12:52scorchethen it should charge and it *might* output the sound
10:12:58scorcheit depends on how it is set up
10:13:11scorche(how the manufacturer set it up)
10:13:45Falco98with the apple firmware, the ipod's screen shows a Scion logo and all control is taken away and given to the car's factory radio
10:14:05Falco98and the radio display shows track info and stuff, and gives controls
10:14:08scorcheouch...doesnt sound promising, but you never know until you try
10:14:34Falco98i mean.. the logos and shit sound far-fetched, but i figured there might be a chance someone's working on the general control scheme
10:14:35rockinfreeyeah, was gonna see what it did tomorrow
10:15:40MonkeyTamerthat scion thing sounds like a sky net alpha
10:16:10*Falco98 needs more explanation on that one :-P
10:16:32Falco98ooh whoops, the reference slipped me :-P
10:16:55Falco98but yeah it's freaky except in a cool way
10:16:56MonkeyTamerhehe, it wasn't the easiest reference
10:18:04MonkeyTamerI haven't used the iPod 4G for a while, at least it's getting more stable
10:18:09Falco98um.. oh, so.. can it be powered-off during charging?
10:18:21Falco98ah, weird
10:18:38Falco98what happens if it's off and you plug it in?
10:18:40MonkeyTamerit restarts and goes into the disk mode charging screen
10:18:42Falco98or does it just not charge?
10:19:16MonkeyTamerit definitely will still charge
10:19:51MonkeyTameryou just might expect to have to charge it a bit more :D
10:20:11rockinfreeheh, yeah i noticed it seemed to use more battery power
10:20:22Falco98you guys told me it should animate (or at least indicate) when it's charging?
10:20:38MonkeyTamerbetter that than the previous instabilities related to freezing
10:20:46Falco98rockinfree reports that it doesn't
10:21:09MonkeyTamerwhen it's "off" or on?
10:21:37MonkeyTamerare you using the USB or the wall
10:21:59rockinfreewell if the charger's plugged in, it's always on ... using the wall
10:22:35MonkeyTamerdoes it show the disk mode screen?
10:22:54MonkeyTameras in the general black and white screen with just a battery symbol
10:23:06rockinfreeno, it just goes to the main start up screen
10:23:11MonkeyTameroh ok
10:23:22MonkeyTamerdo you have the statusbar enabled?
10:23:32Falco98i guess i was referring to the battery indicator not showing..
10:23:53rockinfreei think so
10:24:00Falco98MonkeyTamer: that's generally WPS dependant right?
10:24:06Falco98like in boxes and iamp...
10:24:07MonkeyTamernot necessarily
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10:24:12MonkeyTamerthat's just a setting
10:24:21MonkeyTamerit's usually in the theme
10:24:49Falco98well aren't the WPS files actually what determine whether the statusbar is on or not, in a theme?
10:24:50MonkeyTameryou'd know if the statusbar is on if you see a time in the top right
10:24:58Falco98(at least on the WPS itself)
10:25:04rockinfreeyeah, then it's on
10:25:20MonkeyTamersorry for the semantics, but the theme is the CFG file
10:25:21Falco98oh, the 4g has a clock?
10:25:35MonkeyTamerthat will state whether the statusbar is on or off
10:25:42MonkeyTamerthe WPS is totally separate
10:25:55Falco98the theme chooses a wps, no?
10:26:04MonkeyTameryes, it does
10:26:13MonkeyTamerthe WPS does not influence the statusbar though
10:26:17Falco98in the WPS itself, in the first few lines, there are commands to display the statusbar or not
10:26:25Falco98as far as i remember?
10:26:33MonkeyTamerthat would be the .cfg file
10:26:37MonkeyTamerwhich links to the WPS
10:27:05MonkeyTamerthe .cfg file is the theme
10:27:30MonkeyTamerI know it's a bit overly specific, but I don't want to give wrong info
10:27:45MonkeyTamerrockinfree: does the battery indicator show in the WPS?
10:28:06rockinfreeyeah it's there
10:28:23MonkeyTameryou can be safe to know it's charging then
10:28:35MonkeyTamerthe indicator on the statusbar is a really small icon
10:28:35Falco98MonkeyTamer: i've made my own variations of WPS files before, i just thought i could remember seeing the specific lines where they set the statusbar on or off... but i can't remember clearly
10:28:51rockinfreeokay, good to know :)
10:28:54MonkeyTamertry taking a quick look if you have a chance
10:29:06MonkeyTamerit's referenced in the .cfg
10:29:21MonkeyTamersomething like - statusbar: <on or off>
10:29:24Falco98rockinfree: which theme do you have on atm?
10:29:32Falco98MonkeyTamer: yeah..
10:29:39*Falco98 is just confused :-P
10:30:02MonkeyTamerit's in the .cfg file listed in the 'themes' folder
10:30:03RedbrevaFalco98: you mean the %wd tag in .wps - Status Bar Disabled
10:30:06Falco98does the battery indicator change at all between when you have it plugged-in and not plugged-in?
10:30:17Falco98Redbreva: that could be it..
10:30:34MonkeyTameroh, I may have misunderstood you
10:30:59MonkeyTamerI was referring to the statusbar in the menu
10:31:26Falco98yeah.. i think we were both right but not meeting in the middle :-P
10:31:46*MonkeyTamer can't remember which theme is boxes
10:32:34rockinfreei can change it to something else if it helps :-P
10:32:55Falco98rockinfree: did you see my last question, though? O:-)
10:33:33rockinfreeoh, no it doesn't change
10:34:13Falco98MonkeyTamer: is that a consideration?
10:34:33MonkeyTamerno little plug next to the battery in the statusbar?
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10:34:53noob1this may sound stupid
10:35:08noob1but I jsut wanted to make sure that rockbox does support flac on the e200 series
10:35:10rockinfreenope, nothing
10:35:20noob1is that correct?
10:35:32noob1I tried looking on thewebsite and manual
10:35:37MonkeyTamerthat's a bit odd
10:35:38noob1but I didn't find anything
10:35:50MonkeyTamerI find that the little icon is fairly useless anyways though
10:36:08MonkeyTamerusually the WPS is easier to identify whether it's charging
10:36:23Falco98noob1: does the little graph on the build status page say anything?
10:36:27MonkeyTamersorry noob1
10:36:42MonkeyTamerI believe it supports flac
10:36:50MonkeyTamerlet me make sure
10:37:06scorchenoob1: yes
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10:37:20noob1let me check
10:37:27scorchenoob1: it does
10:37:29MonkeyTamerit does
10:37:48noob1thanks for the info
10:38:03scorcheall swcodec devices support the same codecs
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10:38:20MonkeyTamerexcept ape :p
10:38:21Falco98hm, i can specifically remember seeing a graph of what targets had what formats supported or what bugs, but can't find it now
10:38:49MonkeyTamerthe link I listed has a chart
10:38:55scorcheMonkeyTamer: no..they all do...just not all are realtime at all levels
10:39:20Falco98MonkeyTamer: when you say "usually the WPS is easier to identify whether it's charging", what exactly do you mean?
10:39:20MonkeyTameroh, I understand that; I just meant that it's not really feasible for some
10:39:42MonkeyTamerI meant it's easier to see the bitmap on the WPS than the little icon on the statusbar
10:39:53Falco98but that's what she says isn't changing...
10:40:00Falco98i think?
10:40:07rockinfreeit doesn't change on both places
10:40:27scorcheis she running the latest build?...i recall somehting about it not showing that it is charging in the past
10:40:47rockinfreei just installed it today
10:41:02scorcheperhaps that bug is still around then
10:41:22rockinfreehm okay
10:41:35MonkeyTamerI don't still have a 4G, so I can't provide any insight, sorry
10:42:31rockinfreewell what matters is that it's working
10:43:24Falco98yup :)
10:43:29MonkeyTameris it a color or a grayscale by the way?
10:43:45MonkeyTamerthere is a listing on the tracker about that
10:43:54MonkeyTamerbut almost a year old
10:44:23Falco98is there anything known about random memory-call errors?
10:44:38Falco98rockinfree: have you had any more of those, btw?
10:44:48rockinfreenope, just the 2 times so far
10:44:59MonkeyTamerdoes it freeze?
10:45:26rockinfreeyeah, have to reboot to fix it
10:45:29noob1man I wish there were more wps for the sansa
10:45:38scorchethen make more
10:45:41MonkeyTamernoob1: go make one
10:45:43MonkeyTamerdarn it
10:45:49MonkeyTameralways beat me to the answer
10:46:00scorchei have my slow days
10:46:14Falco98is the sansa a unique screen size, or something?
10:46:22MonkeyTamernot really
10:46:32MonkeyTamerit's just the opposite of an ipod 4g
10:46:53Falco98what, rotated 90 degrees?
10:47:10noob1if only I was that good
10:47:18MonkeyTameryou don't have to be good
10:47:26noob1I wonder how the rockampSansa Blue
10:47:31noob1looks like
10:47:41MonkeyTameryou can always try porting one as well
10:47:48noob1I was thinking
10:48:02noob1I wish that there was skin that looked like the sana one
10:48:09scorchethen make one...
10:48:14Falco98making a skin isn't too hard..
10:48:24Falco98you just need to find an image file
10:48:25scorcheand they are themes, not skins =P
10:48:38Falco98WPS, not theme
10:48:45Falco98theme is just a collection of fonts and WPS
10:48:47scorchewps is just the screen
10:49:06MonkeyTamerthat's what I was trying to tell you earlier Falco98
10:49:31Falco98yeah i know, i was mostly talking about something else though :-P
10:49:37noob1man I jsut want flac support on the sansa
10:49:45noob1but keep the pretty pics
10:49:51noob1of the UI
10:49:52MonkeyTamerCan't make a WPS without making a theme though
10:50:10MonkeyTamerthere is flac support
10:50:16scorche will lay out the differences int he terms for you =)
10:50:35Falco98you can make a WPS without making a theme, in fact
10:50:39scorchenoob1: rockbox's look is able to be changed as we said
10:50:53MonkeyTamerthen how do you reference the WPS
10:51:02Falco98choose the WPS manually from the menu
10:51:26MonkeyTameroh, you're right
10:51:31MonkeyTamerforgot about that setting
10:51:45MonkeyTamer"browse .wps files"
10:51:46Falco98as long as the last theme's font is acceptable
10:51:56Falco98or maybe you can choose the font manually too? haven't tried that...
10:52:04Falco98but i made a WPS called "iAmp2"
10:52:06scorcheyou can
10:52:17rockinfreeyou can do that too (w/ the font)
10:52:37Falco98which is just like the one packaged with the official builds, except non-retarded in certain things.. i got rid of the graphical volume and battery sliders, and replaced them with the numeric versions
10:52:49noob1yea I see
10:53:17MonkeyTamerI still have to upload a theme I created for the Gigabeat
10:53:25noob1hummm I will rockbox one day support some .h264???
10:53:27MonkeyTamerI've been too lazy to bother though
10:53:32scorchenoob1: not likely
10:53:47noob1that would of made my day if it did
10:53:48scorcheMonkeyTamer: well, the new repository will be up in a couple days
10:54:03MonkeyTameryeah, I figureed I would wait on that
10:54:07Falco98what's h264?
10:54:12scorchea video format
10:54:26*scorche directs Falco98 to wikipedia
10:54:30Falco98proprietary or something?
10:54:37*scorche directs Falco98 to wikipedia =)
10:54:57MonkeyTamerscorche: having fun repeating yourself tonight?
10:55:11Falco98though that would require at least twice as many keystrokes to obtain all i want to know, at most a skeleton of info ;-)
10:55:13*scorche shrugs
10:55:39scorcheFalco98: plus, wikipedia will answer any other question you might have about that subject
10:55:42MonkeyTamerwikipedia entry intros are usually pretty good
10:56:02Falco98i like wikipedia
10:56:05noob1how is the fm support on the e200 ??
10:56:11Falco98though i tend to avoid it at 5:00 in the morning
10:56:15scorchenoob1: try it and see
10:56:27*Falco98 would refer everyone to the XKCD comic about the dangers of wikipedia
10:56:32MonkeyTamerhaha, it pulls you in sometimes doesn't it?
10:56:39MonkeyTamerall the blue links
10:56:47scorcheFalco98: glad to see i dont have to link you to it =)
10:57:10Falco98suddenly i'm tempted to dig thru and figure out which one it is
10:57:23Falco98i frequently have to sift back thru and re-find my favorite ones..
10:57:30scorchethey have an archive button
10:57:37scorchebut, we are getting offtopic
10:57:41noob1let me read about the uninstall first
10:58:08scorchenoob1: you might want to read the manual as will likely help answer some other questions you may have
10:58:09noob1I miss my rio karma
10:58:18MonkeyTamerI was just about to say that too...
10:58:20noob1I'm reading it as we speak
10:58:44MonkeyTamernoob1: you should be given an award, most people do not make such an effort
10:58:44JdGordonanyone have any requesnts for more info on the usb screen?
10:58:52*JdGordon currently updating the code for it
10:59:05scorcheJdGordon: debug?
10:59:13MonkeyTameryes: can it say - "Hello world!"
10:59:20JdGordonscorche: no, real usb screen
10:59:39scorcheah...the usb image?
10:59:56noob1the manual is incomplete tho
11:00:01MonkeyTamerin what way?
11:01:03scorcheJdGordon: i have heard some requests for an activity indicator, number for the power current, and a few others, but dont have any myself...
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11:01:58Falco98how about a status indicator?
11:02:21Falco98i've found that if i hold stop for several seconds before unplugging, the player just turns off when i unplug it instead of starting up
11:02:50Falco98(though i forget whether that's true in the rockbox USB screen or in the from-poweroff usb mode)
11:03:25Falco98but if what i'm saying is right, or controllable, then there could be some control for whether the player will start, or just shut back down, when the USB is unplugged?
11:03:36Falco98and an indicator for this...
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11:04:48JdGordonI dont know if a status indicator is possivle
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11:06:10Falco98i'd figure the other stuff would be the harder part :-P
11:06:30Falco98if you want a coding puzzle though, i have a request for something in playlist.c:
11:06:46JdGordonive got it forcing the statusbar on when in usb which should make it a abit nicer
11:06:48JdGordonand shhot
11:06:54*JdGordon hates playback.c though :p
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11:07:18Falco98a function that returns a binary (yes or no)... is_successor(nexttrack)
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11:08:02Falco98if the track following the currently-playing track is actually the alphabetical successor in its directory, it returns a yes, and otherwise, no
11:08:22Falco98i.e. it would test if the next song on the playlist is actually the next track in an album
11:08:41*JdGordon wonders why you want that
11:08:57LloreanBut that doesn't test if it's the next track in the album, at all.
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11:09:34LloreanIt's very easy to make a playlist that's in album order, even when the filenames aren't proper, using database or even by hand.
11:09:46Falco98i'm making an assumption that someone might have their music in a sane folder/naming scheme
11:10:11LloreanWhat's the feature for?
11:10:17Falco98but i was just saying that as an example for what i want to test for, not that it would be an absolute test
11:10:51davinamine is album_artist/album/artist_trackname
11:11:01Falco98i want to write a patch, if just for myself to use, that will allow me to disable crossfade for a given track if the following track is its album-successor
11:11:33MonkeyTameroh, I finally understand now
11:11:45noob1where is the uninstall info on the site?
11:11:47noob1I saw it
11:11:49JdGordoncan people please try"> on a target with usb? (i have tested h300 already)
11:11:50noob1and now I can't find it
11:11:58JdGordon... just make sure the usb screen doesnt crash it
11:11:59Falco98but i don't know quite enough to write the function i need to test what i was just describing
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11:12:21scorchenoob1: it is in the manual...
11:12:32JdGordonFalco98: why not check the album id3 tag?
11:13:02Falco98that could be a way to do it too, but once again.. not sure how to do the programming :-P
11:13:18Falco98but that's probably a safer way
11:13:23noob1I see
11:13:26JdGordonI think a muc better way
11:13:31Falco98check the album id3 tag and the tracknum
11:13:43JdGordonsholdnt even be hard to do
11:13:51*JdGordon not exactly sure where to put that though
11:14:10Falco98where to put what?
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11:14:24JdGordonthat code
11:14:33noob1dual boot
11:14:35noob1sounds good to me
11:14:37noob1thanks for the info
11:14:42noob1I will try tommorrow
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11:15:01Falco98somewhere in playlist.c, in a function called something like "is_next_track_on_album()"
11:16:51dan_aJdGordon: You were after me earlier?
11:17:14JdGordondan_a: yeah, but dw, jhMikeS sort it out
11:17:34JdGordonI was trying to find out if the sansa had an alarm wakeup
11:17:57dan_aDoes it?
11:18:03JdGordonnot according to jhMikeS
11:18:41MonkeyTamerJdGordon: I see a statusbar on the gigabeat
11:18:56JdGordonand the nice picture displays?
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11:19:07MonkeyTamerthe usb picture?
11:19:15MonkeyTameryeah, it shows
11:19:21JdGordonk thanks
11:19:25MonkeyTamerno problem
11:19:46JdGordonjust need to wait for a m5/x5 owner now with its funny remote
11:20:51MonkeyTamergood luck ;)
11:22:46MonkeyTamerHaving a forced scrollbar is certainly one up on the iPod's original: "Do Not Disconnect"
11:24:06darkraveni just tried to compile the sourcecode... after choosing N)ormal it sais "The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc: command not found"
11:24:15darkravendoes anyone know what to do
11:24:27scorchedarkless: well, have you installed the crosscompilers?
11:24:59darkravenoh ^^ hehe no, where can i donwload them?
11:25:20scorcheare you using linux native? vmware? colinux? cygwin?
11:26:10darkravencygwin, wait, i see, there is a an manual , thanks
11:26:21JdGordonscorche: can you try that patch with your rec please?
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11:26:34*JdGordon is slightyl worried that the pic is going to overlap the statusbar
11:26:35scorcheJdGordon: it needs soldering =/
11:26:41JdGordonwhat you do to it?
11:26:55scorcheit is the typical battery connector problem
11:27:14scorche...on all 3 of mine...i have used them one by one till they all broke eventually =>
11:27:19JdGordonanyone else with a rec?
11:27:24*scorche needs to get a new soldering station
11:27:29JdGordonoh, and someone with a player should test also
11:28:06JdGordonhmm.... seems to be fine in the sim
11:28:58JdGordonplayer sim is ok also
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11:30:39darkravenis there a function on rockbox to search for a file?
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11:35:30stripwax'search' in what sense? if you know the filename can you just load it?
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11:35:45daurnimatorwhyats new in rockbox
11:35:47stripwaxyou can do file_exists(filename)
11:36:12stripwaxdaurnimator - new since when? ;-) front page:
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11:36:25daurnimatorlast 2 weeks or so
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11:36:58stripwaxdaurnimator - WMA codec probably largest change
11:37:07stripwaxipod 3g clocking changes too
11:37:12markundaurnimator: wma?
11:37:17markunstripwax: oops :)
11:37:36markundaurnimator: this page is usually up-to-date
11:38:11stripwaxmarkun - neat page. should be linked on the front page!
11:38:41stripwaxmaybe even the last two weeks should be listed on the front page, casual users probably more interested in recent 'big changes' than recent svn commits
11:39:46JdGordonthere is a link to the last 4 weeks changleog on the front page
11:40:05stripwaxyep but not a link to the MajorChanges page
11:40:15*stripwax didn't know that page even existed
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11:44:14MonkeyTamerthere is a link on the front page
11:44:24MonkeyTamerunder "changelog"
11:44:53stripwaxoh, so there is. sorry!!
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11:46:42stripwaxhi Domonoky
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11:54:43stripwaxlooks like wx function GetPath doesn't actually do the right thing so I haven't got a working fix for rbutil yet ... :( e.g. for G:\.rockbox\backdrops\mixtape.bmp , GetPath returns "G:\backdrops" which is madness
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11:59:48stripwaxalso I'm now getting "Failed to display HTML document in UTF-8 encoding" error on starting rbutil. but manual display seems ok...
11:59:56Domonokystripwax can you try: if(!wxDirExists(wxPathOnly(in_str))) as a check if the dir exists ?
12:01:57stripwaxI'm using wxFileName and filename.GetPath(). what's "wxPathOnly"?
12:02:24Domonokya wx Function to strip the filename from a path string..
12:02:31stripwaxsame as GetPath?
12:02:47Domonokylike GetPath but for a wxString
12:03:04stripwaxok, should it do the same though?
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12:05:16Domonokystripwax: you can try if it works for you :-)
12:05:26stripwaxfound the problem
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12:05:36stripwaxwx is getting confused by the double backslash (like I originally suspected!)
12:06:15stripwax"G:\.rockbox\backdrops\Mixtape.bmp" path is "G:\.rockbox\backdrops" but "G:\\.rockbox\backdrops\Mixtape.bmp" path is "G:\backdrops"
12:06:19*stripwax sighs
12:06:35Domonokyif you have a working fix, make a patch or commit it :-)
12:06:50Domonokystrange, normally wx has no problem with the double backslash
12:06:58stripwaxDomonoky- well, I don't, that's the problem .. as soon as I do, I will, don't worry
12:07:08*stripwax still doesn't have svn access
12:07:30Domonokystripwax: put the patch into FS and i will commit it for you then..
12:07:30stripwaxI think your code on pastebin won't do the right thing for just empty directory entries, it will just create the subdir, no? not the actual dir.
12:07:39stripwaxI will, when I have one.. ! :-)
12:08:45Domonokystripwax: it should also create the empty dir.. it think wxGetPathOnly should return the dir, if it only contains a dir.. :-)
12:09:01stripwaxDomonoky - wx doesn't know if it's a dir or a filename though right?
12:09:37stripwaxe.g. if the entry is Directory only and its name is ".rockbox/backdrops" you want to create ".rockbox/backdrops" but path will return ".rockbox"
12:10:18Domonokyare you sure the wxPathOnly only returns ".rockbox" and not ".rockbox/backdrops" ?
12:10:28Domonokybecause it works for me :-)
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12:12:56stripwaxDomonoky- hm, but how would wx know that "backdrops" is not the name of a file?
12:13:47Domonokyyou are right, i dont know.. :-)
12:13:50JdGordonLlorean: have you got a player?
12:14:23LloreanDo you mean "Archos Jukebox Player" or do you mean "Anything that runs Rockbox"?
12:14:39stripwaxwoah. you're right. wxPathOnly works but wxFileName::GetPath doesn't. I naively assumed wx would have a single implementation but it looks like it has two, one of which is buggy
12:14:43*stripwax hates wx already
12:15:00JdGordonLlorean: the first
12:15:14stripwaxbut for me, wxPathOnly definitely returns .rockbox not .rockbox\backdrops for the ".rockbox\backdrops" entry
12:15:30Domonokystripwax: jeah wx is a bit strange.. but Cassandra started it, so i didnt want to rewrite every thing to qt :-)
12:16:43Domonokystripwax: i you find a working solution.. i am happy :-))
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12:18:32*JdGordon wants to split up screens.c
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12:23:03JdGordonanyone here have the x5 or m5 with the remote?
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12:24:20*stripwax_ hates his isp too
12:24:51stripwax_Domonoky - it works! I'll upload a patch now
12:25:23Domonokystripwax_: nice
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12:26:22stripwax_so, this fixes 1: rbutil hang when unzipping theme fails, 2: checkZip test, 3: creating subdirs on device
12:26:38stripwax_want it in the patch tracker or just on pastebin?
12:27:03Domonokystripwax: as you like..
12:27:12Domonokyi will test, and then commit it :-)
12:30:32stripwax_thanks, even
12:31:29JdGordonwow, wtf? apparently my commit to fix the yellow was skipped from the builds, and isnt showing up in the latest changelog!
12:32:05Domonokystripwax_: you forgot to attach the patch ?
12:32:16stripwax_woah, where did it go?
12:32:27stripwax_I definitely uploaded it but it's not there
12:33:02stripwax_ok there now
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12:34:43stripwax_hm, that patch won't apply to latest svn, hadn't seen you'd already committed some changes.
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12:35:15stripwax_I think the correct thing to do is break rather than return (even if you do delete progress)
12:35:25stripwax_otherwise you don't clean up in_zip and in_file
12:35:41Domonokystripwax_: you are right.. i will merge it..
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12:36:04*JdGordon loves green commits :D
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12:36:11JdGordon... and apparenly talking to self :p
12:36:37JdGordonstupid red deltas though
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12:42:05stripwax_Domonoky - hm, trying a "clean install" on empty ipod I get the error "can't open file 'G:\\.rockbox\' (error 3: the system cannot find the path specified)". This is despite G:\.rockbox existing. So either I have a screwed wx build or wx really doesn't like double pathseparators
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12:44:30Domonokystripwax_: i will try
12:45:19Kasperlethough i think windows should handle those double separators in its filesystem API (and handle them just fine)?
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12:45:39Domonokyyes, windows shouldnt have any problem with this..
12:45:57stripwax_I know it shouldn't. and yet it does
12:46:06stripwax_I suspect the problem is not windows here..
12:46:12Domonokydamn wx
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12:52:48Domonokyinstalling rockbox works, but i got an error with the theme install, (also unzip) there is now a !triple! \ .. :-/
12:53:06stripwax_so the exact opposite of what I'm getting
12:53:22stripwax_which theme? I used "Mixtape".
12:53:29stripwax_suspect differences in how the zips were built
12:53:38stripwax_although can't explain why rockbox install works for you and not me
12:54:11Domonokynow it fails for everything
12:55:07stripwax_ok, rockbox zip file definitely has IsDir entries, and Mixtape theme definitely does not. so that's at least one difference
12:55:59Domonokybut now, unzipping fails everytime for me, there is something wrong with the paths.
12:56:01stripwax_imho we should only add a path separator onto the end of DestDir if it doesn't already have one. my destdir is already "G:\" so rbutil constructs "G:\\"
12:56:25Domonokywe should never add one.. i think..
12:57:04stripwax_there needs to be at least one, either DestDir has one or it doesn't. DestDir can be specified by the user, who might just enter G:
12:57:10stripwax_^at least^exactly
12:57:28Domonokyokey, so we should check..
12:58:40stripwax_oops, there is a bug in my patch too. IsDir entries should always continue, not just if the dir needed creating. my bad, I'll fix that one.
12:58:51stripwax_Want me to fix the path separators too or are you already on that?
13:00:07Domonokyi am debugging it at the moment..
13:02:48Domonokythe continue fix, fixed everything for me..
13:03:47stripwax_patch updated
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13:04:42Domonokyso no need to fix the paths.. atleats for me it works :-)
13:04:51stripwax_Domonoky - I don't understand how the first install of rockbox worked for you though .. and failed the second time?
13:05:29Domonokyi also dont know, but that was before the continue fix..
13:06:00Domonokystripwax_: your real name for the credits please ? :-)
13:06:01stripwax_it was, but before the continue fix it should have always failed, I think
13:06:14stripwax_Domonoky - I'm already in Credits
13:06:19stripwax_and have been for a long time!
13:06:31Domonokythere are extra credits for rbutil :-)
13:08:11stripwax_confirmed that the updated patch works for me too :)
13:08:39stripwax_Now I need to find why that UTF-8 error comes up. do you get that?
13:08:53Domonokyno i dont get that error..
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13:10:43stripwax_Domonoky - hm, are you not receiving my private messages?
13:10:43*Domonoky wont commit it, without a name.. :-)
13:10:50*stripwax_ has given it, twice ..
13:11:01Domonokysorry, no pm..
13:11:16Domonokysomehow i dont get you messages.. :-/
13:11:38Domonokyjoin #stripwax :-)
13:13:08stripwax_so what do I need to do to get svn access round here? ;-)
13:13:39Domonokystripwax_: post a few patches.. and nag the devs :-)
13:13:51stripwax_Domonoky - how many is "a few" .. ??
13:14:33Domonokystripwax_: there is no number.. anyone can get access, if the main devs thinks it is ok, and that you know the rules..
13:14:53*stripwax_ waits
13:15:09bluebrotherstripwax_: if you want to send PMs you need to be registered (and identified) to freenode
13:15:15bluebrotherthat's a freenode thingy ...
13:15:18stripwax_I guess none of my patches have been appreciated? :)
13:15:37stripwax_bluebrother - hm, ok. I think it used to work, maybe it's because my nick is stripwax_ not stripwax right now
13:15:45Domonokystripwax_: hehe, no.. its more that the main devs notice it.. :-)
13:15:53bluebrotherwell, currently you're not identified ;-)
13:15:57stripwax_main devs: any updated on my sliding puzzle patch?
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13:16:15bluebrotherand users can allow PMs from unregistered nicks
13:16:15stripwaxhow about now?
13:16:34bluebrothernope, you're still not identified
13:16:34*Domonoky could send a recommendation to the commiters list. but i dont know if they will follow my advice :-)
13:16:44bluebrotheryou need to /msg nickserv identify <password>
13:17:16stripwaxbluebrother - curious, I thought I had that on auto but evidently not. thanks, will see what's up
13:17:27Domonokystripwax: should i do this ? :-)
13:17:35stripwaxyes please
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13:18:55safetydanAnyone know why the shutdown menu item in the Rockbox menu is #ifdef'd for LCD_CHARCELLS?
13:19:33bluebrotheriirc because there is no dedicated power-off button on those targets
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13:20:31safetydanSometimes it'd be nice to have a shutdown item on the menu on my h120 even with a dedicated off button.
13:20:34*stripwax goes for lunch
13:20:42bluebrotherDomonoky, stripwax: Hooper or Hopper? ;-)
13:20:53stripwaxHooper .. why would it be Hopper?
13:21:09*Domonoky is sorry.
13:21:09bluebrotherhehe ;-)
13:21:15stripwaxOn the iriver H1xx tools I was credited as Cooper..
13:21:25safetydanand lo, someone's already done a patch for it.
13:22:00bluebrotherDomonoky: should be an easy fix *g*
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14:33:31JdGordonaliask: hey
14:35:06JdGordondan_a: still around?
14:35:55JdGordonok, ill reply in the forum then
14:37:26JdGordonuni tomorow :'(
14:37:34aliaskwhat time you start?
14:37:41aliasknot too bad
14:37:47JdGordonmy tt is shite
14:38:03aliaski'm undecided on my timetable so far
14:38:14aliaskwednesday is a killer day for me, but i get tuesdays off
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14:38:46JdGordoncept i have 2 hours tuesday in the arvo
14:39:03JdGordongot wed 1pm free?
14:39:18aliask11am - 12 is the only hour i have free that day
14:39:28aliask8am - 5pm otherwise
14:39:33*JdGordon was gonna say DevConMonashPub :p
14:41:01JdGordonhappy with your results?
14:42:40aliaskwell, i got a rare grade, if that's worth anything
14:42:55aliaski got a near pass for my mechanical engineering subject
14:42:58aliaskwhich was a big supprise
14:43:15JdGordonNP is close enough
14:43:19JdGordonbetter than an N
14:43:50aliaski must have really bombed the exam, because my marks through the year were pretty solid
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14:56:37Kasperledo they let you have a look at the marked exams?
14:57:56aliaskOh good.
14:57:58Kasperlea friend of mine found out that they lost half the sheets of one of his exams ...
14:58:17Kasperleso that explained fairly well why they thought he failed it
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15:15:52DerPapstmoin from munich :D
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15:17:35JdGordonDerPapst: isnt it like 4pm there?
15:19:05JdGordonor 2pm...
15:19:30Domonoky15:19 ..
15:19:42JdGordonclose enough
15:19:43*Domonoky isnt too far away from munich.. :-)
15:20:06DerPapst3pm ;)
15:20:13*JdGordon has cities on both timezones next to munich, but not there on the clock
15:21:18DerPapstStarnberg to be exact.
15:21:57JdGordonsee know if you said stranberg I would have no idea where that is :p
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15:25:00Nico_PJdGordon: hi
15:25:48Nico_Pseen my commits today ?
15:26:07JdGordonnot yet
15:26:17JdGordonI tried getting emails working on commits.. but failed
15:27:00Nico_PI can have a look if you want
15:27:13JdGordonna dont worru
15:27:32*Domonoky has a nearly working talk file generator for rbutil :-)
15:27:46JdGordonNico_P: nice work
15:28:01Nico_PI've just found the bug I had
15:28:02*JdGordon tries to finish a timetable viewer in the next hour
15:28:06Nico_Pthe two missing bytes
15:28:15JdGordonwhat was the problem?
15:30:14Nico_PI was writing a negative amount of bytes in the file
15:30:37JdGordonhowd you manage that?
15:30:43JdGordonand why iddnt it come up in testing?
15:31:43DerPapstGood bye everyone ;)
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15:31:51Nico_Pit's a case that didn't happen in the sim
15:32:21Nico_Pwhen the data isn't ready yet, bufgetdata returns -2 and I was passing that to write() without checking
15:33:05JdGordongood thing you found it now
15:37:06Nico_Pnow it should work fine on targets... it's slow but it works
15:37:39Nico_Pbut it's slow because of the sleep() calls, not because my code is bad :)
15:38:55JdGordonslow is ok... we can always speed it up later
15:38:57JdGordonas long as it works
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15:46:33Nico_Pwell the playback is slow and the plugin has to work as if the files were being playes back
15:47:40Nico_Pwith a too fast playback, buffering also has a hard time keeping up it seems. In my tests, one of the files just returned -1 on read()
15:48:43JdGordonoh, buffering cant keep up woth playback? thats fine.... playback is much slower IRL
15:55:10*bluebrother notices two cities in south germany being mentioned ...
15:56:44Nico_PJdGordon: you mentioned a timetable viewer... is it for rockbox ?
15:57:39JdGordoni made one last year but abanded it.. picking it up again now
15:57:41Nico_Pnice :)
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15:59:01Nico_POK, I tested my plugin on my gigabeat and my H300 and it worked perfectly on both :)
15:59:17Nico_Pnow I'm going to be able to think seriously about MoB
16:00:23JdGordonif merging it into the core wasnt so painfull id suggest doing that first
16:01:13Nico_Pmaybe I should try that first, yeah
16:02:35Nico_Pactually the first thing I'm going to do is make the buffer have several files
16:02:40Nico_Pcurrently it's only one
16:03:54JdGordonyay, the timetable rock still works, just needs a massive drawing overhaul and its commitable
16:04:28Nico_PJdGordon: is there a standard timetable format ?
16:04:42JdGordonnot that I know of
16:04:59JdGordonvcal might have somethnig... but not really gonna bother checking
16:07:26Nico_Pso you're using a custom format of yours ?
16:08:27JdGordon:( have to redo the whole screen drawing, and button code
16:12:57JdGordonhave we got a wiki page with a descripion of each devices keys?
16:13:23bluebrotherJdGordon: you could have a look at the device images in the manual
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16:13:59JdGordoni know, but thats really painful to do for every target
16:14:07JdGordonsim bmps are a bit easier
16:14:17JdGordonactually... no.. manual pngs
16:15:05*JdGordon hopes every target can do 4 directions and a select button
16:15:22bluebrotherwell, it's only a couple of pngs in manual/rockbox_interface/images
16:15:38bluebrother(the *-front.png files)
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16:19:38Nick_Brackleydoes anyone know if an mpegplayer fix is being worked on as it is broken and running it results in a *panic*
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16:23:21LloreanNick_Brackley: Is there a bug report on it in flyspray?
16:30:42markunI played a video this morning and didn't get a panic
16:30:49markunand updated rockbox on friday
16:31:05Lloreanmarkun: I suspect it's the stkov that happens if you don't have a mpegplayer config file.
16:37:05Nick_Brackleyyeah thats the one
16:37:11Nick_Brackleyhow do i make a congig then?
16:37:24Nick_Brackleyim unsure about a flyspray report though
16:37:38Nick_Brackleyconfig that is
16:38:49XpecialGuestwhen get ouy a new rockbox stable release?
16:40:36GodEaterXpecialGuest: There are no plans for one
16:42:21Nick_Brackleyis there any work around for the mpegplayer problem?
16:42:49GodEateryes - create an empty confile file
16:43:15Nick_Brackleywhat must it be named? and where do i place it?
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16:44:47GodEaterNick_Brackley: hang on - I'm searching the irc logs to find out
16:44:52GodEateryou could do the same ?
16:45:47Nick_Brackleyyes i will, any rough ideas when to look?
16:46:16GodEaterNick_Brackley: mpegplayer.cfg in .rockbox/rocks
16:47:51GodEaterNick_Brackley: for future reference, the easiest way to search the irc logs is to enter "" followed by your search terms into Google - that's how I do it - so you don't need to know when :)
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16:48:33Nick_Brackleyah ok thanks godeater
16:49:04GodEaterNick_Brackley: had you just upgraded your rockbox install recently to cause this ?
16:51:29JdGordonNico_P: if your interested.... 2959 is the timetable viewer... only work on the iriver hxxx screens for the moment
16:53:22Nick_BrackleyGodEater: yes it has been broken for a couple of days now
16:53:48GodEaterNick_Brackley: so I assume you usually upgrade by deleting your .rockbox directory first ?
16:54:23Nick_BrackleyGodEater: yes, i thought this was good practice?
16:54:25*GodEater doesn't do this - he just writes over the top of the old one
16:54:36GodEaterthat way you don't delete your config files
16:54:47Nick_Brackleyoh ok
16:54:53GodEaterand anything which needs to get overwrritten will by, whilst things which don't - won't be :)
16:55:01GodEateranyway - I've got to pop out now - later all.
16:55:26Nick_BrackleyGodEater: inserting a blank config file does nothing, i still get the same *panic* stkov main
16:56:48Nick_Brackleyis anyone able to post their mpegplayer config somewhere?
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17:12:09chrisjs169Can someone confirm an undefined instruction on the Sansa?
17:12:56chrisjs169(System -> Debug -> FM Radio)
17:13:36chrisjs169Oh, and there's a prefetch abort there too =/
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17:18:14chrisjs169weird - updated and the bug went away
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17:21:16ThomasLefebvreI would like to add a battery benchmark for the iAudio M5L, could someone add me to the TWikiUsersGroup please? or publish the benchmark for me?
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17:23:11dan_aThomasLefebvre: You have been added
17:24:46XpecialGuestthere are a possibility to add a sound when navigate into a beep in original firmware in ipod?
17:28:40chrisjs169Ok, got a new 'bug' - can someone confirm that when going to System -> Debug -> Disk Info, going to microSD 1, going back to the debug info, going back to Disk info displays the microSD 1 information as microSD 0?
17:29:40*chrisjs169 notices that's sort of confusing
17:42:32ThomasLefebvrebenchmark added for M5L: (48:48 at volume -40)
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17:47:49markunThomasLefebvre: pretty sick :)
17:49:29ThomasLefebvresorry, I'm French and I don't see what you mean by sick, do you mean it ran for an impressive time? I think so, too
17:49:57markunyes, impressive :)
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17:50:53ThomasLefebvreok thanks (I had only read "sick" as meaning bad things, learnt something today)
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17:54:50jhMikeSchrisjs169: indeed it gets confused. I have it not even show any info the first time I go to the screen after boot.
17:55:11chrisjs169jhMikeS: yes, same with mine
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18:01:17stripwaxDomonoky - my real name shows up in the patch tracker entry too ;-)
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18:05:15[bam]may i ask a little about a rockboxed 30g ipod ?
18:05:51stripwax[bam] - you don't need to ask if you can ask a question; you can just ask a question ;-)
18:07:31[bam]ok, so .. i'm a little bit confused about unicode bdf fonts
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18:08:58markun[bam]: does this help?
18:09:00[bam]AFAIK the only font in rockbox that could display simplified chinese, hiragana, and katakana properly is sazanami mincho
18:09:24[bam]goona see it first
18:09:41pIkAsany one knows if with rockbox is possible to adjuts the audio signal of dock conector?
18:10:18markun[bam]: do you know of some nice free fonts we could include?
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18:11:12[bam]actually thats the problem
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18:11:47[bam]markun: very well then. i think i'm gonna go for a search
18:12:16markun[bam]: you could convert a TTF font, but the result is usually not very good
18:12:27[bam]markun: thats the point
18:12:50[bam]markun: im using windows and have tried a few ttfs
18:13:34[bam]markun: so im gonna search for bdfs
18:15:17[bam]markun: .. time for a bit of learning .. thx guys :) cu
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18:18:52hiromi886Anyone here thats decent with rockbox and wouldn't mind answerin a few questions?
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18:21:35markunhiromi886: just ask
18:21:46markunthen we can decide if we are able to answer :)
18:22:25stripwaxDomonoky - is rbutil on the build server or is it built manually currently?
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18:24:18burra_7hello, updated the firmware on my ipod nano 1gig today. Now i get the "Data abort at " message. I read at the forum that the reason is that the bootloader is now to old. My question now is : How do I easiest update my bootloader
18:25:24markunburra_7: I think
18:26:12burra_7ok thanks I will give it a try
18:26:35hiromi886I sync'd some music files from itunes, and rockbox just doesn't detect it
18:26:42hiromi886Is there something special I have to do?
18:27:03stripwaxhiromi886 - are you using "Database" view?
18:27:08stripwaxyou might need to update the database
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18:27:53hiromi886Yeah I'm using database, I stuck a couple songs in to test it
18:28:02hiromi886And only one showed up and it wouldn't play
18:28:18stripwaxwhat audio format is it? if it's DRM, rockbox won't be able to play it..
18:28:41hiromi886Its just mp3
18:28:53hiromi886When I check in itunes and everything, its there
18:29:03hiromi886Its just that when I go to database->artists and find it
18:29:06hiromi886It doesn't play/show up
18:29:09stripwaxdid you get any error when trying to play that mp3 on your ipod? does it play in the regular Apple firmware?
18:29:20hiromi886Plays fine normally
18:29:52stripwaxso it plays when you boot to Apple but doesn't play when you boot to Rockbox? and the other file doesn't show up at all? very weird! could you post that mp3 file that doesn't work somewhere?
18:31:40hiromi886Hold on, let me make sure its not a noobie error on my part ;p
18:31:44stripwaxok ;-)
18:31:48hiromi886I just got this rockbox so I'm still gettin used to it
18:32:50hiromi886doh, there it is
18:32:59hiromi886the long select on database gives the update menu ;p
18:33:01Domonokystripwax: its is manually build..
18:33:37stripwaxDomonoky - I think I'll trust your code::block builds more than my cygwin builds :)
18:33:49Domonokystripwax: if you plan to pput a new version to the wiki, push the version.. :-)
18:34:06stripwaxhiromi886 - yep, and you can also set it to automatically update each time
18:34:07hiromi886Now just a fast second question if you don't mind hehe
18:34:14hiromi886Is there a way to make the menus easier to navigate?
18:34:19stripwax"easier" how?
18:34:42stripwaxDomonoky - I'd have to update the version number, and I don't have svn write access .. :)
18:35:00stripwaxso it's best if you could do that ..
18:35:12Domonokyi will do it later..
18:35:21stripwax(or if any dev is listening .. any chance I could get write access? pretty please? :-)
18:35:25hiromi886Um, like the normal menu, I always overshoot the selection, cuz the fonts super small
18:35:35hiromi886Is there a way to make the menu font maybe 1 or 2 points bigger?
18:35:38stripwaxhiromi886 - well you can make the fonts larger of course. check the manual
18:35:57Domonokystripwax: i already recommended you .. :-)
18:36:05hiromi886Ah okie thanks ^^
18:36:22stripwaxrockbox uses the same font for menus, filebrowser, database and wps screen - currently you only have one font at a time. but you can pick as large a font as you like!
18:36:32stripwaxDomonoky - thanks! :-)
18:37:24hiromi886Ah alright
18:37:51hiromi886I threw together a wps, and was wondering if the main wps song screen could have 1 font, but the menu have bigger
18:38:01hiromi886But if its all 1 font, I can always juggle things a bit I guess
18:38:05stripwaxhiromi886 - not yet, I'm afraid, sorry..
18:38:22stripwaxI think there's an unofficial patch for that but I don't know how well it works
18:38:27hiromi886Cool though, I enjoy rockbox greatly over the normal apple firmware ;p
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18:56:00hiromi886Mmm one final question if I may
18:56:14hiromi886Is there a way to choose between botting with rockbox or standard?
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18:57:51Soul-SlayerWhen the player boots up
18:57:58Soul-SlayerPut hold on, and it will boot into appleOS
18:58:07Soul-SlayerTake it off again and use as normal
18:58:21Soul-SlayerAnd reset the player using Menu and Select to get back to Rockbox
19:00:11peturthis and much more can be found in the manual....
19:01:27Soul-SlayerI double up as a manual, I have little else to do :p
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19:03:21hiromi886Mmm now the problems start ;p
19:03:24hiromi886Its not detecting
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19:05:01Soul-SlayerPut it into disk mode manually?
19:05:53hiromi886Yeah did that, its just not pickin up
19:06:00hiromi886Gonna fiddle with it some more I guess
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19:15:00donkeeI have just install rockbox on my iPod
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19:17:35donkeeI will just ask for play mpeg file
19:17:55donkeeBut, i don't put vidz in my ipod
19:18:27Soul-SlayerYou want to play files that aren't on your player?
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19:18:38donkeeNo non
19:18:40donkeeno no
19:18:57Soul-SlayerYou want to convert videos and put them on your player?
19:19:11donkeeI won't to see vidz
19:19:21donkeeBut i didn't saw the plugin in the list plugin
19:19:30donkeeI will just send question
19:19:32Soul-SlayerGo into 'Files' on your main menu
19:19:36Soul-SlayerFind where you put it
19:19:38Soul-SlayerAnd open it from there
19:19:44donkeeBut i remember thath this plugin don't appear in the list !
19:19:53Soul-SlayerIt's a viewer rather than a plugin
19:19:58donkeeThat's why i don't ask !
19:20:07Soul-SlayerI... I'm confused.
19:20:45donkeeNow, i have put vidz and i can play
19:20:59donkeeBecause the vidz plug don't appear in plug list !
19:21:08Soul-SlayerIt isn't meant to
19:21:15Soul-SlayerYou 'open' video files
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19:22:51donkeeDo you know the size of the screen ?
19:22:58donkeeFor an iPod photo ?
19:22:58Soul-SlayerWhich player is it?
19:23:33donkeeThe base plugin
19:24:03peturdonkee: go read and then come back
19:24:29donkeepetur, that why I didn't said my first question
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19:25:54donkeeMy first question is: Whye the mpeg plug don't appear in plug list
19:26:00Soul-SlayerI answered that
19:26:05Soul-SlayerAnd so does the wiki page
19:26:27peturdonkee: you PLAY the file just like you play music files
19:26:28Soul-SlayerIt doesn't have to be shown in the plugin list, because it opens when you open a video
19:26:49peturdonkee: why assk questions when you do not read the answers
19:26:50donkeeIyes i read this
19:27:01donkeeHa !!!!!!
19:27:13donkeeI think, you don't understand me
19:27:19donkeeAnd i don't understand you !
19:27:19Soul-SlayerThis is quite likely
19:27:33petur(that was a true typo, no ass <-> donkey thing)
19:28:00donkeepetur, pfou !
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19:32:03donkeeNow, real question
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19:32:14donkeeHow to adjust sound during playing file
19:32:30Soul-SlayerWheel right = volume up, wheel left = volume down
19:32:34Soul-SlayerSame as in appleOS
19:33:09donkeeBecause, with the sample vidz i tried but i don't eard some thing different
19:33:28Soul-SlayerYou need to make sure your videos are encoded right
19:33:51donkeeThis is the sample vidz
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19:48:27donkeeSo, now i must reencode vidz for my iPod!
19:50:50donkeeCheat! Naruto don't wont to reencode correctly :/
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19:53:28Soul-SlayerWhat are you using to encode it, and what file type is it
19:53:51donkeeI use mencoder
19:54:07donkeeWhit the command line that i find in wiki page
19:54:08Soul-SlayerTry WinFF if you are on windows, that's what I use and have no problems
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19:54:47donkeeOk, i will try
19:55:04donkeeMaybe tomorrow !!!! Because it's very late !
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20:04:18donkeeThank you for your
20:04:26donkeeNow I will go to sleep !
20:04:30Soul-SlayerNo problem/
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20:07:31PaulJambah, i hate it when i can't reproduce a bug with the official build.
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20:15:14chrisjs169Does mpegplayer support subtitles in movies?
20:15:54zevvHello all. Latest rockbox on my Iaudio X5 dies with a 'PANIC stkov main' when playing the sample video. Any references available on this issue ?
20:17:13Soul-Slayerchrisjs169: With a patch I believe
20:17:41chrisjs169Soul-Slayer: 'k - looking for it now
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20:19:11chrisjs169yup, found it - thanks
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20:22:19Learzew: Could be because the mpegplayer.cfg file is missing. (I.e., a known bug.)
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20:24:21zevvlear: ok, i found that one and tried the fix, but no success yet
20:24:30zevvwell, I'll give it another try in a few weeks or months
20:24:33zevvthanks for the tip anyway
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20:32:50PaulJamheh, i just found a funny behaviour. if you select database and it asks you to initialize and you abort and then start playback. if you stop playback from the wps it asks again to initialise and if you abort it resumes playback instead of golng to the main menu.
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20:38:08lymecaI've got an HFS+ formatted 30GB 4th Gen Color iPod and I need to switch it over to FAT32 to put Rockbox on. However on the wiki page for the conversion there is no option for a 30GB 4th Gen in the partition table download list. What do I do?
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20:39:15Lloreanlymeca: Find someone with a FAT32 30GB 4G iPod, make a copy of their partition table, and then upload it to the wiki for the other people in your situation.
20:40:17lymecaLlorean: I only have one 30GB 4G iPod and it's stuck in HFS+ land. I would love to upload it to the wiki and help out, but... chicken and egg problem!
20:41:16saratogayou could use a linux or windows pc to fix it
20:41:44bluebrotherlymeca: you might try using a parition table for a 4G of different size and then change the data partition
20:42:07saratogaalso, I don't understand why its not possible to format an ipod as fat32 in macos
20:42:08lymecasaratoga: I only have a GNU/Linux machine available to me.
20:42:26saratogathen can't you just format it fat32?
20:42:38bluebrothersaratoga: the partition table is different ...
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20:44:08bluebrotherlymeca: I would use the 20GB MBR instead and use fdisk on linux afterwards to remove and restore the second (i.e. data) partition
20:44:22bluebrotherI did a similar thing to convert a CF card to an Ipod disc once
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20:44:34lymecaWould using GParted work?
20:44:42bluebrotherI guess so.
20:44:44lymecaDo just delete the second partition
20:44:51lymecaAnd then perhaps mkfs.vfat /dev/sdd2
20:44:58lymecawhere sdd is the iPod
20:45:18bluebrotherwell, I just wrote the MBR to the card, then deleted the 2nd partition and created a new one, spawning all of the remaining space on the card
20:45:38bluebrotheryou just need to make sure it doesn't include the first partition as that is marked empty.
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20:46:16bluebrotherbut in my case there wasn't anything on the card −− there is a slight chance that this might destroy loading of the OF
20:46:58bluebrotherbut for loading the OF I just dd'ed the firmware file to the empty partition
20:47:06lymecaWhen the iPod is HFS+ formatted there are 3 partitions
20:47:09lymecawhich is confusing
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20:47:33bluebrothernever had access to a HFS+ formatted Ipod
20:47:41bluebrotherso I can't tell anything about that ...
20:47:45lymecaFAT32 is simple: MBR, partition 1 with Rockbox boot loader and Apple firmware, and partition 2 with Rockbox itself and data.
20:48:06lymecaIs that right?
20:48:21bluebrotherat least afaik ;-)
20:48:57lymecaIf I had a legit partition table for my iPod's size I could get the bin file and dd it to /dev/sdd correct?
20:49:02lymecaAs in not sdd1
20:49:13lymecaBut just dd partitiontable.bin /dev/sdd
20:49:19lymecaThe block device itself
20:49:20bluebrotheryes. The partition table is the first 512 bytes of the disk
20:49:41lymecaIt's slightly confusing because of HFS+ formatted iPods having three partitions
20:49:52lymecaI might be inclined to dd it to the /dev/sdd1
20:50:54bluebrotherno, to convert the partition table you need to dd it to the disk itself, not any partition.
20:51:36lymecaThe block device file that represents the disk itself always is the MBR? As in /dev/sdd is the MBR and just the MBR of te iPod?
20:51:46lymecaSame with /dev/sda for my normal HDD? That is the MBR?
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20:52:00GodEater /dev/sdd is the whole disk
20:52:08bluebrother/dev/sdd is the complete disk, starting with sector 0 (which is the mbr)
20:52:13GodEaterbut writiing to /dev/sdd1 will miss the first 512 bytes
20:52:20GodEaterand will break you ripod
20:52:39lymecaGodEater: It's still fixable... I did it on my first Rockbox install =P
20:53:02bluebrothergenerally, it will start where the first partition starts (which is not necessarily sector 1)
20:53:29lymecaOKay so if /dev/sdd is the whole disk, then /dev/sdd1 always starts 512 bytes after the start of the disk?
20:53:44lymecaJust like I can safely assume /dev/sda1 starts 512 bytes after the beginning?
20:53:47GodEaterno - as bluebrother says it'll follow the partition layout
20:54:04GodEaterso if partition one starts at 10000024 bytes - that's where /dev/sdd1 is
20:54:11lymecaOh right that depends on what data is IN the MBR
20:54:17lymecathe partition table
20:54:25bluebrotherin a (dos) partition table is a marker where the actual partition starts.
20:54:48GodEaterI guess an apple parition map works similarly
20:54:53GodEaterbut is laid out differently
20:55:02GodEateras it somehow appears as /dev/sdd1 on a Mac
20:55:11lymecaOKay so I could create a partition ttable saying partition 1 to start at 2048 bytes into the disk and end 4096 bytes into the disk, so /dev/sdd1 would refer to those 2048 bytes only?
20:55:33GodEaterlymeca: yes
20:56:04lymecaAnd the way Linux knows what /dev/sdd1 actually is is by examining the first 512 bytes on the entire device, or /dev/sdd?
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20:56:29GodEaterit reads the parition table in the MBR
20:56:34lymecaOr does the partition table not need to be 512 bytes?
20:56:42lymecaCan the MBR be larger for some reason?
20:56:48bluebrotherthe partition table is always the first 512 bytes of the disk
20:56:53GodEaterthe partition tables is much smaller than 512 bytes
20:57:01GodEaterthe *MBR* is 512 bytes exactly
20:57:09GodEaterand the partition table is contained in that
20:57:17bluebrotherright. The partition table itself is only 0x40 bytes
20:57:28GodEaterlymeca: wikipedia explains this very well
20:58:45chrisjs169There's an ABI >> user still reporting that their Sansa freezes on boot due to the MicroSD patch
21:00:31Lloreanchrisjs169: Then have them file a bug report with proper instructions for reproducing it and what SVN revision they're using when it happens, and maybe whether they have a 1.0 or 1.1 board?
21:01:35bluebrotherhmm. Does anybody know a website describing the HFS partition table? Haven't found anything :(
21:01:49GodEaterbluebrother: search for apple partition map
21:01:53GodEaterthat's what it's called as I recall
21:02:12bluebrotherah, that was it. Thanks!
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21:03:11lymecaOkay so once I have mbr-4g-20gb.bin all I need to do is "dd if=mbr-4g-20gb.bin of=/dev/sdd" and the contents of the .bin file will be copied to my ipod's MBR replacing the first 512 bytes of the device with what's in the .bin file.
21:03:45lymecaWhy don't I need to use "dd if=mbr-4g-20gb.bin of=/dev/sdd bs=512 count=1" like Wikipedia recommends?
21:03:59bluebrotherbecause the file is only 512 bytes
21:04:27bluebrotherand the default bs is 512 iirc.
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21:04:55lymecaSo dd knows not to replace the whole sdd with 512 bytes then zeros, it just replaces however many bytes the source file is large?
21:05:27bluebrotherit replaces as much bytes as you put in (determined by your input file) or as much as you tell it to do
21:06:02bluebrotherbs is the size of the blocks it writes, and count the number. bs=512 matches disk sectors, and count=1 just writes one sector
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21:18:41webguest34atsea-: I just got Rockbox a couple of weeks ago. What I am wondering is: how do I get files on my iPod video? I looked in the manual but it didn't really say anything so I am a bit confused.
21:19:49Domonokywebguest34: just copy and paste them to your ipod.
21:20:18Domonokyanywhere on the harddrive.. like make a music dir and put it in it..
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21:27:05peturdid anybody see already?
21:28:30peturI wonder if the nano2 uses the same system and offers a way to extract its firware that way
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21:29:21chrisjs169Llorean: it happens when Rockbox is booting - freezes at the boot logo, with error SDCard 10 after a few hours, in any build with the microsd patch (which is now every revision after June 30, IIRC)
21:30:51Lloreanchrisjs169: "Proper bug report" means "posted to flyspray", plus "every build" doesn't matter to me, does it happen after the changes recently specifically to fix that hang (which is why I asked for an SVN revision)
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21:31:14*petur takes back his above two lines - seems it's fake :/
21:31:15LloreanNot every developer is around here all the time, and not everyone has time to read all the logs, so post bugs in the proper place with full details.
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21:32:14*bluebrother wonders why radio doesn't use ReplayGain or some other kind of normalization
21:34:02Lloreanpetur: Yes, if the Apple OS depended on files in the filesystem, deleting iPod_Control would break it. It doesn't.
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22:35:52linuxstbbluebrother: If you're interested, ipodpatcher contains a simple parser for Apple Partition Maps.
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22:36:00LearRead a rumor that the 6G ipods would use os x though (i.e., similar to the iphone)...
22:36:19Soapthe mac/apple world is 90% rumor
22:36:57BagderI'd say it is likely that a 6G ipod would be based on something iphone'ish
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22:37:15Soaplogic says a real/full OS is useful on an internet-connected phone but not on a non-connected PMP
22:37:16Bagderbut hey, we never know...
22:37:33Bagderwell, they're bound to use lots of similar tech
22:37:46LearYep, it isn't that far-fetched at least. Take an iphone and remove a bunch of stuff.
22:37:49Bagderpossibly wifi/bluetooth too etc
22:38:10peturand the GSM part of course ;)
22:38:50nekura42odd... IRC client is glitched... if anyone said anything to me, I haven't seen it... brb
22:38:55LloreanSoap: Yes, but the Zune runs embedded Windows.
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22:39:23LloreanIt means one less set of software to maintain.
22:39:26nekura42ok.... wow.. that was odd
22:39:31Soapbut MS didn't have an existing embedded OS other than CE, did they?
22:39:40Bagderand the zune _does_ use wifi...
22:39:50LloreanBagder: But the Gigabeat S doesn't. :-P
22:39:55peturalso read they cracked zune DRM... now they need to do the same for the firmware encryption
22:40:05nekura42Even with wifi, I still wouldn't want a Zune... lol (no offense to anyone here)
22:40:20LloreanSoap: I figure they might trim it down just so they don't have people split among as many software projects.
22:40:44SoapI could see that, apple collapsing their embedded offerings down to one.
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22:41:35Bagderthat would be one at app-level they'll still use different hw so they'll need different flavours etc
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22:43:06saratogaSoap: MS has CE and Windows Moble
22:43:10saratogaprobably others too
22:43:19saratogathey make about a million different embedded products
22:43:23saratogaembedded XP
22:43:29peturWindows Mobile == CE
22:43:47LloreanI thought Windows Mobile was the descendant of CE
22:44:02petursaratoga: they just have a line of versions of CE
22:44:20peturcomplete with a nice devkit
22:45:24saratogaah you're right
22:45:30saratogastupid MS and their naming
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22:47:09Soapsaratoga, what is the difference between them? I thought WM5 was simply a marketing name for the latest version of CE?
22:47:31Soapnvm, just read the rest
22:48:28peturor rather
22:49:08LloreanWindows Automotive?
22:49:19*Llorean may have to be more careful purchasing his next car.
22:49:21peturyeah... don't think about it ;)
22:49:46*scorche would hate for his car to BSOD
22:49:52saratogatheres also a version that runs on planes
22:50:01saratogaguy i went to school with ended working on those
22:50:22scorcheat least a plane can glide...if the engines go out, it isnt relly that big of an issue
22:50:46LloreanAs long as you can get them back again in a very short period of time. :-P
22:50:47BagderI've leared that the Volvo S80 actually may show a "please reboot" message
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22:50:56Bagderalthough phrased differently
22:51:13Soapdang - 747-100 has a 17.7:1 glide ratio.
22:51:39gantrixxcan anyone recommend a good channel where I could ask some questions about mp3/AAC/Vorbis or Ogg/mp4?
22:51:44Soapyou _could_ reach many airports if Windows went caput, as long as you weren't over the ocean.
22:52:13Soap#hydrogen-audio for technical assuming the channel has any life left.
22:52:21scorcheyeah...the ocean is the main no-no place
22:52:26nekura42I sure hope the MS software on the airplane is only used by the waitresses to process food orders and such
22:52:31saratogaprobably want to just post on HA directly
22:52:57scorchenekura42: well, planes have to have so many redundant systems...
22:53:14LloreanBesides, you're also working within a lot more constraints than "Desktop PC"
22:53:21saratogaapparently they have some interesting real time stuff, where you preallocate how many CPU cycles you're going to need
22:53:28saratogaprobably related to windows in name only
22:53:35gantrixxdoes anyone know if the album art is actually stored in the container (mp3 or ogg) on an ipod?
22:54:07linuxstbIf you're referring to Apple's firmware, then no, it uses an album art database.
22:54:08Lloreangantrixx: I believe it's just stored somewhere in the database. It couldn't be in Ogg since the Apple OS doesn't support Ogg at all.
22:54:38gantrixxyes, but could ogg contain album art if it wanted to?
22:54:59gantrixxso could mp4 then I'm guessing
22:55:22gantrixxI'm surprised someone hasn't hacked the ipod yet so that you could install an ogg plugin
22:55:35saratogawhat like rockbox?
22:55:56Bagdergantrixx: "somone" did
22:55:57gantrixxrockbox is not a plugin
22:56:05gantrixxit's a complete rewrite of the firmware
22:56:16LloreanWell the Apple_OS doesn't exactly have a plugin architecture.
22:56:17saratogawell its not possible to write plugins for the apple firmware
22:56:25saratogadamn it
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23:31:48Zagorcan I just take this opportunity to reinforce my "grumpy old man" image and say I'm not too happy with the menu macro mania?
23:31:56*SiebaZ is away (Sleeping zzzZZZZzzzzzZZZzzz)
23:32:02BagderI agree 100%
23:32:15*bluebrother returns to keyboard and remembers to be a grumpy old man too
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23:38:03bluebrotherhmm, the time screen isn't useable on the remote if the font is too big.
23:38:05peturby coincidence, I'm trying to decipher some part of that menu code atm :(
23:38:22bluebrotheror say, the last lines get truncated making it somewhat unintuitive
23:39:23*bluebrother wonders how much fun that deciphering is
23:39:26Zagorpetur: yeah. i was going to do a quick hack to fix the gigabeat bass thingy. but I still haven't penetrated the web of macros...
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23:43:28bluebrotherJdGordon put a wiki page up describing that "JdGordon-is-lazy-and-likes-macros™ macro system!" as he calls it ...
23:43:50bluebrothernot sure what I should think about this naming :o
23:44:14Zagorwell it's honest at least :)
23:44:23bluebrothertrue :)
23:45:17bluebrotheralso, macros are a great thing −− *if* you use them carefully. But I don't think I'm telling anything new ;-)
23:45:43Bagdermacros are fine, but not when used to create a whole new programming language
23:46:12Zagorthis wiki page is an excellent illustration of why macros can be bad: he just created a new language, that needs documentation.
23:46:50bluebrotheryeah, I read some really bad examples in "Expert C programming" (which is a great book btw)
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23:48:14ZagorBagder: is there anything prepared in the makefiles that allows me to run the preprocessor only?
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23:48:40BagderZagor: 1) run "make V=1" 2) copy and paste the full command line and replace -c with -E ;-)
23:48:50Zagorheh, thanks
23:49:30Soul-SlayerDoes anyone understand the purpose of this patch?
23:50:48Soul-SlayerJust sounds like it would mess up the database, aswell as cause me to accidentally delete half my songs accidentally. And there's nothing stopping them from deleting songs manually by leaving the WPS and doing it through the file tree
23:50:49ZagorSoul-Slayer: yeah, it's in the category "I know I can already do this with 4 clicks, but I want to do it in 2 clicks"
23:51:03Soul-SlayerHeh, I see
23:51:14bluebrotherand it's also triggering a known bug :)
23:51:15Zagorat least that's what it looks like to me
23:51:30Zagorbluebrother: a good reason to reject it ;)
23:51:37bluebrothermaybe the poster didn't know about the "follow playlist" option?
23:51:43bluebrotherZagor: go! go! go! ;-)
23:54:26*linuxstb thinks a delete option in the context menu makes sense..
23:55:34Soul-SlayerI can't think when I've ever needed to delete a song on-the-fly
23:55:53Soul-SlayerIt doesn't exactly hurt to leave it there, and who knows, I may like it after listening to it for a while
23:56:09Soul-SlayerAnd if I really wanted to delete it for whatever reason, the option IS there
23:56:12bluebrotherit's kinda funny to read what features are "needed"
23:56:49bluebrotherif you delete tracks frequently you could just put them into a playlist and just delete all files in that playlist when syncing.
23:56:56linuxstbIt's not something I would use, but can imagine people who copy lots of random music to their DAP, and would like to delete tracks they don't like as they're listening.
23:57:39linuxstbThe patch just adds an extra item to an array - so code-size is hardly an issue. But the related bug(s) should be fixed...
23:57:41Zagorlinuxstb: still, it's not exactly a chore to switch into the file browser and delete it
23:57:46bluebrotherIf I detect broken tracks I usually use a special playlist to find them later again.
23:57:58linuxstbe.g. FS #5642
23:58:12Soul-SlayerEspecially if you're listening to music through the file browser in the first place
23:58:20Soul-SlayerYou merely have to back out of the WPS and delete it that way
23:58:33linuxstbOnly if you're enabled follow-playlist...
23:58:38Soul-SlayerUnless it's named something weird and you can only recognise it from it's ID3 tag

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