| 00:00:35 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: I think the intention is to use floating point in the codecs (or at least test it) |
| 00:01:43 | Bagder | I agree that it of course should be usable in the end, it just seems a bit premature to me to do any floating point until rockbox at least runs limping |
| 00:01:57 | linuxstb_ | I agree with that. |
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| 00:07:44 | toffe82 | I was trying to compile the code of ptw419 to make some test for him but it was giving that error about fp, but now I don't know if he use 4.0.3 or 4.1.1 |
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| 00:08:27 | toffe82 | sure that the fp will be the last option to use |
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| 00:14:06 | * | Lear wonders what Bagder was referring to... |
| 00:14:26 | linuxstb_ | The gigabeat S port |
| 00:14:40 | Bagder | Lear: didn't you experiment with rockbox on arm with gcc 4.1.x? |
| 00:14:59 | Bagder | or was it coldfire or am I just hallucinating? |
| 00:15:09 | Lear | Nope, no ARM stuff. Only Coldfire. |
| 00:15:53 | Bagder | ok, thanks |
| 00:16:25 | Lear | My H140 still works fine, so I haven't really had a reason to get anything else... |
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| 00:27:08 | Bagder | okay, less repetitions in configure now |
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| 00:37:33 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: That's looking nicer :) |
| 00:38:03 | Bagder | yes, one step forwards |
| 00:38:33 | * | amiconn wonders whether that breaks iFP target |
| 00:38:52 | Bagder | the ifp target funnily already had all codecs mentioned... |
| 00:39:22 | Bagder | the codecs= lines were *identical* for all swcodec targets |
| 00:39:24 | * | amiconn also wonders whether tomal will ever reappear |
| 00:39:47 | Bagder | yeah, I fear we will never see the completion of the ifp port |
| 00:39:58 | jhMikeS | what is the ".PHONY:" thing supposed to be for? |
| 00:40:22 | linuxstb_ | It prevents make thinking the rule target is a file (IIUC) |
| 00:40:26 | amiconn | Would be the second one after gmini... but the iFp already came further than the gmini ever did :( |
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| 00:41:30 | jhMikeS | speaking of incomplete ports, how 'bout that Elio ? :P |
| 00:41:41 | amiconn | Ask linuxstb |
| 00:41:55 | amiconn | There's also the intended AV3x0 port... |
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| 00:42:06 | Bagder | possibly the m:robe port helps the elio one |
| 00:42:29 | amiconn | m:robe is PP5020 with monochrome screen |
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| 00:42:37 | amiconn | Elio is PP with 16 bit colour screen |
| 00:42:49 | linuxstb_ | I just seem to keep finding things to do in the core (or codecs...)... |
| 00:42:49 | Bagder | oh, not that similar then |
| 00:43:25 | amiconn | It should be similar to H10, or ipod color/photo, or Sansa |
| 00:43:30 | amiconn | (display wise) |
| 00:43:31 | jhMikeS | m:robe has WM8751? (thought I saw that) |
| 00:44:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hehe, similar to me finding other stuff than viewports :/ |
| 00:44:35 | linuxstb_ | I should try the Elio's LCD again. At the time, I tried all the combinations of existing code I could find, and nothing, and no sign of any familiar-looking registers in firmware disassemblies. |
| 00:45:11 | jhMikeS | then there's a sandisk job with a tlv320. I wonder what to do about audio drivers sharing multiple targets now if they need to be slightly different. |
| 00:45:16 | amiconn | Maybe the PP emulator could help? |
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| 00:45:25 | * | amiconn never tried the emu himself |
| 00:45:51 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Which target is that? |
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| 00:46:14 | jhMikeS | amiconn: hmmm...there's wiki page up now I think. |
| 00:47:07 | jhMikeS | someone linked to it but I've no idea where it is |
| 00:48:01 | jhMikeS | M200 |
| 00:48:16 | jhMikeS | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaM200Port |
| 00:48:16 | amiconn | ah |
| 00:48:21 | amiconn | TCC770 |
| 00:48:29 | amiconn | Single core arm, 120MHz. |
| 00:49:06 | * | linuxstb_ would be keen on seeing a telechips port - his flash-based DAP with DAB has one |
| 00:49:15 | linuxstb_ | But I forget which... |
| 00:49:19 | amiconn | Well, the target specific part of the driver goes in target tree, the common code in firmware/drivers/ |
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| 00:49:43 | amiconn | linuxstb: Telechips can be anything.. the gmini was also telechips |
| 00:50:02 | amiconn | ...TCC720 which is CalmRISC16 |
| 00:50:38 | jhMikeS | radio chip drivers still need some some more shuffling around for that...mostly the serial interface drivers. |
| 00:50:39 | amiconn | 16bit, ummm.... |
| 00:51:48 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes. This is partially due to the old targets still not fully converted to target tree |
| 00:52:24 | linuxstb_ | Ah, google found my own website... http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/logik/ (I should move the info to the wiki) |
| 00:52:42 | jhMikeS | the SH code is everywhere still :\ |
| 00:54:48 | * | jhMikeS notices the gigabeat bass control is now broken and acting like adaptive bass is still turned on but showing dBs in the setting |
| 00:57:41 | toffe82 | jhMikeS: there was a commit by Gotthardt last week for that |
| 00:58:37 | jhMikeS | toffe82: yeah, he added it, then disabled it using #ifdef and now it seems something else is still goofed |
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| 01:02:10 | * | jhMikeS will make sure it's not just settings residue |
| 01:05:13 | linuxstb_ | Argh, seems the Sansa M200 firmware files in the wiki are hosted off-site and have disappeared... |
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| 01:28:16 | safetydan | linuxstb, did you get a chance to look at FS #7440? |
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| 01:32:16 | * | jhMikeS is getting disturbed by this bass control thing being whacked |
| 01:39:34 | linuxstb | safetydan: I forgot... Just compiling it now. |
| 01:43:59 | linuxstb | safetydan: Maybe I'm just blind, but I can't see where you set the bass and treble cut-off in the driver... |
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| 01:46:40 | safetydan | linuxstb, nope, not blind. I totally forgot about that bit. |
| 01:48:03 | safetydan | So at the moment it will just be hard coded to the second cut-off value. |
| 01:49:24 | safetydan | linuxstb: still, you should be able to test if it's actually adjusting the bass and treble |
| 01:49:33 | linuxstb | Yes, that seems to be working. |
| 01:50:44 | safetydan | Excellent. Guess I'll just hook up the cutoff values and then it should be ready for comitting. |
| 01:50:47 | * | jhMikeS finds out he put the wrong bits in the header and adaptive boost has been switched on by mistake for some time :P |
| 01:52:12 | linuxstb | And no-one noticed? |
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| 01:53:50 | safetydan | the uda1380 supports different bass and treble cutoffs doesn't it? |
| 01:54:15 | linuxstb | I think someone mentioned that. |
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| 01:55:05 | jhMikeS | safetydan: yes |
| 01:55:47 | safetydan | Well good. At least that one I can test if I add support for it. |
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| 01:57:57 | RaverDave | hello? i cannot seem to retain the backdrop on my ipod video! despite making sure the correct dimensions and colour depth is met...and i put the picture as bmp format in backdrop also! |
| 01:58:28 | RaverDave | where does this info get wrote to and what line should it read? |
| 01:59:16 | RaverDave | the pic displays btw,just wont on next reboot |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:33 | RaverDave | in other words i can set it as backdrop and it displays but just for that session,despite copying it to the bacdrop folder also |
| 02:01:19 | pixelma | did you put it in a folder called "backdrop" or "backdrops" (inside .rockbox)? |
| 02:01:37 | RaverDave | of course yes,this folder was thwere already i recall |
| 02:02:46 | pixelma | hmm... how are you shutting down your Ipod? |
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| 02:03:31 | RaverDave | the nromal reset.....top and middle |
| 02:03:41 | RaverDave | held for 5 secs |
| 02:03:52 | RaverDave | theres no other way as it goes |
| 02:04:01 | RaverDave | video ipod |
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| 02:04:17 | scorche | holing play for a few seconds is the proper way |
| 02:04:37 | pixelma | ah... no... a shutdown is just holding the "play" button - then it should be able to save its settings and will remember them |
| 02:04:55 | pixelma | on Ipod that is |
| 02:05:29 | RaverDave | hmm..lets see |
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| 02:06:48 | RaverDave | lol..well i shut it down correctly..but still no go..lol |
| 02:07:25 | RaverDave | indeed it was play held down |
| 02:08:34 | RaverDave | yes just double checked i have a backdrops folder within .rockbox |
| 02:08:41 | RaverDave | and the picture in there |
| 02:10:13 | RaverDave | could you tell me which config file it gets wrote to,and a line example please? |
| 02:10:27 | RaverDave | i can do it manually then |
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| 02:12:57 | lululoo | hi can someone help me |
| 02:13:03 | lululoo | im having some trouble with rockbox |
| 02:13:23 | pixelma | RaRe: the settings are stored in config.cfg - which will only contain settings that one changed from default... the line will have something with "backdrop" in it, but I'm not sure as I don't use one... Maybe you can save your settings manually (through the option) and then copy that line to your config.cfg |
| 02:13:41 | pixelma | sorry... RaverDave |
| 02:14:10 | lululoo | =( i cant change songs |
| 02:14:11 | lululoo | or pause them. |
| 02:14:21 | lululoo | it syas Queue Last when i try to select songs |
| 02:14:32 | lululoo | and they play .. but yeah. i cant go to the next song |
| 02:14:34 | lululoo | fast forward |
| 02:14:35 | lululoo | rewind |
| 02:14:37 | lululoo | or anything |
| 02:14:39 | lululoo | can someone help me |
| 02:15:30 | lululoo | if i try to play a song it just says Queue Last |
| 02:15:38 | safetydan | lululoo, what player do you have? what are you doing to try and skip songs? |
| 02:16:01 | lululoo | player..? uh |
| 02:16:03 | lululoo | rockbox ? |
| 02:16:06 | lululoo | like.. |
| 02:16:09 | lululoo | im just trying to play songs. |
| 02:16:14 | lululoo | and when i press Play |
| 02:16:17 | lululoo | it says Queue Last |
| 02:16:19 | pixelma | lululoo: are you using an official build? Also please, write a bit more on one line... |
| 02:16:19 | scorche | lululoo: where are you getting rockbox from? |
| 02:16:21 | lululoo | instead of playing the song? |
| 02:16:24 | RoC_MasterMind | whooooaaaaaa |
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| 02:16:25 | lululoo | the official site |
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| 02:16:39 | scorche | from build.rockbox.org? |
| 02:16:45 | lululoo | yes |
| 02:16:55 | scorche | does it say anything other than queue last? |
| 02:16:59 | lululoo | no.. |
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| 02:17:39 | lululoo | it just sayas |
| 02:17:40 | lululoo | queue last |
| 02:17:41 | TiMiD[FD] | hi there |
| 02:17:42 | lululoo | and doesn't do anything |
| 02:18:06 | scorche | update tot eh latest build and try again |
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| 02:18:27 | pixelma | lululoo: with player he means, do you have an Ipod, Sansa, H10... Rockbox is not only for one device |
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| 02:19:02 | lululoo | ohoh. |
| 02:19:05 | lululoo | ipod 5g |
| 02:19:06 | lululoo | 30gb |
| 02:19:13 | lululoo | sigh okay |
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| 02:19:16 | lululoo | guess thast the only way |
| 02:19:23 | scorche | *please* try to write your complete thoughts on one line |
| 02:20:19 | lululoo | haha sorry |
| 02:21:12 | lululoo | alright im going to go reinstall it. thanks anyways |
| 02:21:50 | RaverDave | hmm well no joy,a shame as i wanted a backdrop really,i think it looks too naked without one |
| 02:21:54 | pixelma | RaverDave: the line in config.cfg is "backdrop :/.rockbox/backdrops/yourpic.bmp - btw. works fine here for me on M5 |
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| 02:22:18 | RaverDave | ah |
| 02:22:26 | RaverDave | is that with the quotation amrk? |
| 02:22:43 | scorche | no |
| 02:22:55 | pixelma | no - sorry... just missed the ending one |
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| 02:25:19 | RaverDave | ahaaaa!! thanks for that,it works now,odd how it didnt sdave it within rockbox though huh |
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| 02:28:16 | safetydan | lululoo, maybe you're holding the play button down too long |
| 02:28:25 | safetydan | oh darn, he left |
| 02:28:58 | RoC_MasterMind | G |
| 02:28:59 | RoC_MasterMind | O |
| 02:29:00 | RoC_MasterMind | O |
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| 03:01:33 | Nico_P | JdGordon: hi |
| 03:01:40 | JdGordon | hey |
| 03:01:56 | Nico_P | I have some pretty big changes I've been working on for the past fex days |
| 03:02:04 | JdGordon | cool :) |
| 03:02:38 | Nico_P | ringbuffer in the ringbuffer... more complicated than I though but it's starting to come along nicely :) |
| 03:03:19 | Nico_P | right now it does short files perfectly even when they wrap around the main buffer, and long files should be ok soon |
| 03:04:04 | JdGordon | how does it decide when to use the inner ring buffer? |
| 03:04:20 | Nico_P | when filerem > 0 |
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| 03:06:07 | JdGordon | even if the buffer has room? |
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| 03:07:19 | Nico_P | if the buffer has room, the file will be buffered entirely in one go |
| 03:07:30 | JdGordon | not necasserily |
| 03:07:43 | Nico_P | maybe you mean if room was freed from the next handle ? |
| 03:07:53 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 03:07:57 | JdGordon | umm... |
| 03:08:07 | Nico_P | haven't taken that into account yet |
| 03:08:21 | Nico_P | I only have one file on buffer ATM anyway |
| 03:08:34 | JdGordon | so we arnt going to use the linking 2 handles together approach? |
| 03:08:53 | Nico_P | for the same file you mean ? |
| 03:10:27 | JdGordon | yeah |
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| 03:10:58 | JdGordon | I was hoping the inner rng would only be used when there is only 1 file and its metadat in the buffer and there is no other option |
| 03:11:10 | saratoga | i think i figured out why low bitrate WMA files still don't work in my decoder |
| 03:11:16 | Nico_P | that will probably be the case |
| 03:11:29 | saratoga | it seems enabled the low bitrate features somehow fills my trig lookup tables with zeros |
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| 03:11:59 | Nico_P | but we can't really distinguish all the cases... most often a file will just be buffered normally though... no ringbuffer |
| 03:12:35 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 03:13:17 | JdGordon | and even if it doesnt fit in one go, the space after it will most likely be freeable before the ringbuffer is needed |
| 03:13:47 | Nico_P | indeed |
| 03:13:54 | Nico_P | it's a case I'll have to add |
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| 03:19:20 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I'll commit soon even if it doesn't work completely |
| 03:19:53 | JdGordon | no prolem |
| 03:20:07 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 03:20:07 | * | JdGordon wishes he had motivation to be more helpful |
| 03:23:34 | Nico_P | what kind of motivation ? |
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| 03:25:11 | JdGordon | like not being scared every time i open playback.c :p |
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| 03:27:26 | Nico_P | :) |
| 03:27:58 | krylon | How can I disable scrolling altogether? As in, text scrolls from left to right if it exceeds the width of the screen |
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| 03:29:44 | JdGordon | I dont tihnk you can |
| 03:29:49 | JdGordon | you can set a long delay though |
| 03:30:05 | krylon | :( |
| 03:31:41 | JdGordon | breaky time ttyl |
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| 03:50:03 | EbErT | hey all, i was thinking about getting a gigabeat, to be used for rockbox dabbling−− is this one of the top choices for smooth rockbox operation? if so which series? |
| 03:50:51 | saratoga | i prefer the sansa to the gigabeat |
| 03:50:54 | saratoga | but thats just me |
| 03:50:54 | BHSPitMonkey | EbErT, I hear it is. |
| 03:51:20 | homielowe | EbErT: They are hard to come by right now, The "S" is in development, but the "F" works well |
| 03:51:45 | saratoga | Fs are really easy to get |
| 03:51:49 | saratoga | they're dirt cheap on ebay |
| 03:51:51 | BHSPitMonkey | someone should totally get rockbox running on the Insignia players -.- |
| 03:51:56 | EbErT | so just the S and F series, ya saw lots on ebay |
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| 03:52:15 | homielowe | I got myself a "S" for $78 |
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| 03:52:34 | EbErT | i've just not been real satisfied w/ rockbox on my ipod color |
| 03:54:17 | BHSPitMonkey | EbErT, I can has it? |
| 03:54:43 | EbErT | "can you have it"? |
| 03:55:07 | krylon | i already called dibs. back off |
| 03:55:19 | EbErT | what's the diff between S and F series gigabeats |
| 03:56:37 | safetydan | EbErT, F works with Rockbox, the S currently does not. |
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| 05:07:50 | chrisjs169|brb | Kinda hate 'help me' messages myself, but sansapatcher isn't recognizing my e250 |
| 05:09:02 | chrisjs169|brb | I had filesystem issues on the Sansa (rockbox wouldn't boot, files missing, the rocks dir having weird filenames, etc) and went to recovery mode, placed sansa.fmt in it, along with the e200 (non-R) firmware and bootloader |
| 05:09:17 | chrisjs169|brb | in addition, my Sansa is now being recognized as an 'SD Player' |
| 05:10:54 | chrisjs169|brb | so uhh...any suggestions? |
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| 05:23:05 | chrisjs169|brb | sorry - RCM (from ABi) pointed out something I didn't even consider - sansa.fmt formatted it as fat16 |
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| 05:43:09 | chrisjs169|brb | sansapatcher still isn't working |
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| 05:49:53 | chrisjs169|brb | fixed |
| 05:50:03 | chrisjs169|brb | it was user error :P |
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| 05:55:00 | Dustin | is this the rockbox? |
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| 07:27:05 | amiconn | Interesting.... |
| 07:27:31 | * | amiconn thought that all ipods have the same, proprietary connector at the bottom, but that's not true for the G1 and G2 |
| 07:28:34 | scorche | aye...they only had firewire... |
| 07:29:40 | scorche | tis why they sometimes call the 3G model the "dock connector" iPod |
| 07:29:43 | amiconn | Yes, but I didn't know they use a standard (?) firewire socket at the top |
| 07:30:16 | * | amiconn likes standard connectors |
| 07:30:22 | scorche | yes...it is a standard 6-pin connector |
| 07:31:09 | amiconn | Unfortunately firewire doesn't use only one connector type (but the same applies to mini usb connectors) |
| 07:32:21 | scorche | although, the nice thing about the dock connector port is that you can easily access so many things from it (like line in, line out, etc) |
| 07:32:50 | scorche | better than nothing, but i would rather prefer separate connectors of course |
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| 07:42:51 | TiMiD[FD] | I was thinking about adding support for different font on the remote than on the main unit, would that be welcome ? |
| 07:44:51 | TiMiD[FD] | if I remember that point was evoked a long time ago |
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| 08:04:47 | amiconn | Yes, if done in a resource conserving way |
| 08:05:00 | amiconn | markun had some ideas how to make font caching more efficient |
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| 08:18:04 | TiMiD[FD] | hmm I don't know that uch about the currnt font caching system |
| 08:18:53 | TiMiD[FD] | anyway excepted in the case when the 2 fonts are the same, you have an overload ... |
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| 08:20:53 | TiMiD[FD] | it would also be nice to be able to have different fonts on the same screen (for wps for ex) but this may be a little too much memory expensive |
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| 08:23:42 | amiconn | TiMiD[FD]: It wouldn't be possible anyway atm without really nasty hacks, because the scrolling system is line based |
| 08:23:52 | amiconn | It should become easier with viewports |
| 08:24:22 | * | amiconn should start implementing viewports, ghhrrrmm :\ |
| 08:25:17 | TiMiD[FD] | yes of course, but with pixel base positionning it would become possible |
| 08:25:36 | TiMiD[FD] | that would imply a lot of changes |
| 08:28:28 | TiMiD[FD] | I don't know what are the goals of the project regarding this matter, are you aiming at someting more flexible, more close to computer gui interface in which components can be freely positionned ? |
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| 08:30:19 | amiconn | Basically, viewports will allow to use parts of the screen for drawing operations like the whole screen is used now |
| 08:30:28 | amiconn | (with coordinate transformation and clipping) |
| 08:31:35 | amiconn | Some of the foundations in the lcd drivers will be changed too, allowing scrolling text to keep their attributes (foreground/background colour, inverse, possibly algorithmic emboldening) |
| 08:32:08 | TiMiD[FD] | ok so something intermediate |
| 08:32:10 | amiconn | Scrolling text elements will then be what I call "sub-viewports" or inherited viewports |
| 08:32:34 | amiconn | Backing storage is a non-no because we don't have dynamic memory |
| 08:33:08 | * | scorche wonders when we will see that wikipage =P |
| 08:33:37 | amiconn | Viewports should help making things like status bar drawing, list drawing etc a lot simpler as they don't need to take care of the other parts of the screen |
| 08:33:49 | TiMiD[FD] | I was wondering wether some higher level library like the one they have in ipod linux wouldn't be a better idea |
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| 08:34:22 | TiMiD[FD] | to be able to manipulate component |
| 08:34:27 | amiconn | ipl has malloc |
| 08:34:35 | amiconn | We don't, and we don't want to |
| 08:34:40 | TiMiD[FD] | hmm right |
| 08:35:15 | TiMiD[FD] | that's maybe still possible without |
| 08:35:45 | TiMiD[FD] | I didn't looked at their API |
| 08:36:29 | TiMiD[FD] | anyway viewports should indeed allow an easier gui programing |
| 08:36:59 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:37:31 | * | amiconn thinks there are 2 main reasons why he didn't start implementing them yet |
| 08:37:44 | TiMiD[FD] | I wonder how much their podzilla toolkit relies on dynamic memory allocation ... |
| 08:38:19 | amiconn | (1) laziness - there are probably a lot of pitfalls which require changing hundreds of places, test, change, test, reiterate... |
| 08:38:44 | amiconn | (2) I don't see much point in polishing the upper levels if the foundations are not really stable |
| 08:38:53 | amiconn | And they are not, at least on swcodec |
| 08:40:00 | amiconn | That's why I am trying to get PP working properly with cpu scaling and hopefully other, related stuff |
| 08:40:07 | TiMiD[FD] | that would imply a major rewrite of almost all the "app" related stuffs |
| 08:40:31 | TiMiD[FD] | but that doesn't depend that mluch on low level tasks |
| 08:40:35 | amiconn | I don't think a rewrite of all app stuff would be necessary |
| 08:40:47 | TiMiD[FD] | not from scratch |
| 08:40:55 | TiMiD[FD] | but a major rework |
| 08:41:16 | amiconn | Rockbox is still very stable on archos, even with all the new stuff like settings and menu system |
| 08:41:47 | amiconn | It's mainly the hardware layer for PP targets, plus playback and related stuff like voice that has nasty problems |
| 08:41:54 | amiconn | ..on swcodec |
| 08:42:05 | TiMiD[FD] | I noticed ... :p |
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| 08:42:25 | TiMiD[FD] | the playback engine seems quite broken too |
| 08:42:28 | amiconn | The cpu 100% boosted with voice bug really annoys me |
| 08:42:45 | amiconn | I switched back to archos recorder for in-car because of it |
| 08:43:25 | amiconn | ...even though I really like the possibility to play flac on my H180 |
| 08:43:50 | TiMiD[FD] | the original firmware just works well for me :) |
| 08:44:09 | TiMiD[FD] | for ogg and mp3 |
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| 08:47:04 | TiMiD[FD] | I wonder which task should I do then ... |
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| 08:47:22 | TiMiD[FD] | fonts didn't seemed that hard |
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| 08:50:12 | TiMiD[FD] | there are some bugs I would like to be fixed, but they seem to only happen to me, and I cannot develop on my device during working hours |
| 08:50:16 | TiMiD[FD] | only on the sim |
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| 09:00:10 | * | aliask doesn't get it |
| 09:00:30 | GodEater_ | thank god - I don't either |
| 09:01:10 | TiMiD[FD] | that's because asm isn't your mother tongue ! |
| 09:01:19 | TiMiD[FD] | (I don't get it either ...) |
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| 09:06:50 | hiromi886 | Hey, in the .wps file, is there a way to do a half space or something |
| 09:07:00 | hiromi886 | if anyone has any idea what i'm talking about haha |
| 09:07:24 | hiromi886 | downwards I mean |
| 09:07:51 | hiromi886 | Some things aren't properly lining up, if i could get them to shift up or down a half carriage return thingy, if would be perfect |
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| 09:14:02 | GodEater_ | hiromi886: no - there's no way to do that - if they're not lining up how you like, you'll have to use a different size font |
| 09:14:13 | hiromi886 | doh i was afraid you'd say that |
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| 09:23:11 | * | markun reminds amiconn of his viewports plans :) |
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| 09:29:19 | GodEater_ | hiromi886: or depending on what they're not lining up with (I suspect some sort of background picture) - then change that! |
| 09:31:21 | JdGordon | does anyone know how decoded audio gets from the codec to the pcmbuf? |
| 09:31:41 | JdGordon | does it bypass playback.c? or am i missing the important bit in it? |
| 09:34:05 | hiromi886 | yeah |
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| 09:34:11 | hiromi886 | i'm gonna have to edit the bg pic haha |
| 09:34:15 | hiromi886 | thanks ^^ |
| 09:35:24 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: The codecs call ci->pcmbuf_insert() with the PCM data. It will then be processed by the DSP code, and stored in the PCM ringbuffer waiting to be sent to the DAC. |
| 09:36:08 | JdGordon | ok, trying to work out how much work is needed to try getting our buffering code into the core |
| 09:39:50 | Davo_Dinkum | 0 |
| 09:39:56 | Davo_Dinkum | typo :/ |
| 09:40:13 | * | JdGordon wonders how much of playback.c can be completly ignored to get some simple playback happening |
| 09:44:32 | * | pondlife too! |
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| 09:45:15 | pondlife | back in a bit.. |
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| 09:48:13 | JdGordon | Nico is in france isnt he? |
| 09:48:17 | pondlife | amiconn: Just in case you hadn't seen it - you may want to look at FS #7398. |
| 09:48:41 | pondlife | JdGordon: yes |
| 09:48:54 | JdGordon | 9.50am... wake up time for him.... |
| 09:49:00 | * | JdGordon summons Nico_P! |
| 09:49:46 | petur | heh |
| 09:53:41 | * | pondlife hacks into Nico_P's alarm clock |
| 09:54:03 | hiromi886 | This is annoying lol, the time won't fit anywhere! |
| 09:54:30 | hiromi886 | I guess thats why I have a cellphone tho |
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| 10:05:13 | hiromi886 | Okay i've been poking through the manual and still can't figure this out, if anyone would mind pointing it out |
| 10:05:27 | hiromi886 | If you originally transfered all your music through itunes in playlists already |
| 10:05:33 | hiromi886 | Can rockbox pick those up? |
| 10:05:46 | scorche | rockbox cannot read the itunes playlists, no |
| 10:05:53 | hiromi886 | gah, i was afraid of that |
| 10:06:30 | GodEater_ | it can read the music files though |
| 10:06:38 | GodEater_ | you just need to read up on using the Rockbox database |
| 10:06:42 | hiromi886 | so my only real option is to copy all the mp3s onto root and use my winamp playlists? |
| 10:06:53 | GodEater_ | the playlists you'll have to create again from scratch |
| 10:07:13 | hiromi886 | well, ive had limited success sticking my winamp playlists straight into the root/playlists folder |
| 10:07:14 | linuxstb | hiromi886: Most people create a /Music/Artist/Album/NN-Trackname.mp3 structure on their ipod's disk. |
| 10:07:15 | GodEater_ | hiromi886: no - read up on using the database |
| 10:07:18 | hiromi886 | ah |
| 10:07:19 | linuxstb | (or similar) |
| 10:07:44 | hiromi886 | I wish I was that organized now @@ |
| 10:08:14 | hiromi886 | Alright thanks tho ;p |
| 10:08:19 | GodEater_ | provided your mp3s are well tagged, the Rockbox database will take care of organising them for you |
| 10:09:13 | hiromi886 | ah |
| 10:09:17 | linuxstb | Or you run a tagging program (GodFather?) which can organise your mp3s based on their tags. |
| 10:09:18 | hiromi886 | yeah, my genres are all over the place |
| 10:09:29 | pondlife | JdGordon: How's the buffering going? Almost ready to listen to music..? |
| 10:09:30 | hiromi886 | hm, that sounds like a decent idea |
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| 10:13:34 | scorche | Redbreva: i will check on that upload code to see what i can do in a bit...writing the wiki page atm |
| 10:13:48 | Redbreva | OK ;-) |
| 10:14:38 | scorche | as well, when we move the sites around, dont forget to make your uploader.php send the mail to a different place =P |
| 10:15:15 | hiromi886 | ah neat i think i got this now ;p |
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| 10:20:20 | linuxstb | Redbreva: Do you know exactly what OS your server is running? |
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| 10:22:07 | JdGordon | pondlife: nico has the plugin working corrrectly |
| 10:22:18 | pondlife | Great |
| 10:22:19 | JdGordon | pondlife: im going to try merging it into the core tonight |
| 10:22:29 | JdGordon | i doubt ill get far, but you never know :) |
| 10:22:43 | pondlife | I saw that the buffer now consists of one ring per file. |
| 10:22:49 | JdGordon | yes and no |
| 10:22:53 | pondlife | ? |
| 10:24:04 | JdGordon | if the whole file fits in the buffer its a straight buffer... if it doesnt fit (and opefully if another handle cant be freed to make it fit) then it becomes a ring buffer |
| 10:24:10 | JdGordon | im not really sure how nico has done it |
| 10:24:50 | pondlife | Well we should make sure he wikis it.... |
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| 10:26:05 | Redbreva | linuxstb: No, it's simply a 'Linux Hosting' package with 1&1 |
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| 10:27:09 | amiconn | JdGordon: I wonder how that method guarantees the minimum amount of spinups... |
| 10:27:35 | amiconn | markun: Now we can slap each other with wannados ;) |
| 10:27:49 | scorche | Redbreva: you can likely ssh in and find out |
| 10:28:47 | pondlife | amiconn: We just need to know that the buffer is filled completely with useful/future data after each spinup, right? |
| 10:28:53 | JdGordon | amiconn: like I said, thats nico's thing, I havnt even looked at his code for that yet |
| 10:31:35 | amiconn | I mean the ringbuffer idea + "pinning" of metadata |
| 10:32:02 | JdGordon | oh, na, thats should be fine, as long as the metadata doesnt waste too much of the buffer |
| 10:32:09 | JdGordon | which would only be a problem on hwcodec |
| 10:32:11 | markun | amiconn: exactly ;) |
| 10:32:46 | amiconn | If the metadata is e.g. in the middle of the physical buffer, a ringbuffer can take only half of it. Or am I missing something here? |
| 10:34:15 | JdGordon | correct.. I had the idea where we would use the linked list of handles and create a new handle on the other end of the data which would be a continuation |
| 10:34:40 | amiconn | I'd rather move the metadata out of the way... |
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| 10:34:57 | pondlife | ...as part of the byte swap? |
| 10:35:29 | amiconn | I still think one (or two with enough ram) metadata slots outside the main buffer would be better |
| 10:35:42 | JdGordon | we cant move it, we dont know "who" is still using it |
| 10:36:12 | pondlife | amiconn: But the metadata might be rather large... album art for example? |
| 10:36:30 | JdGordon | yeah, we dont want to limit the total size of the data that can be stored |
| 10:36:50 | JdGordon | we are thinking eventually having AA, lyrics, ..., for each track |
| 10:36:52 | pondlife | The different targets have different requirements for their memory capacities. |
| 10:37:12 | amiconn | I'd rather put a limit on the metadata size |
| 10:37:31 | amiconn | This limit should of course be memsize dependent |
| 10:38:03 | JdGordon | limits also mean that its a big RAM waste for people who dont use the feature |
| 10:38:08 | * | JdGordon wont bother with AA |
| 10:38:36 | scorche | linuxstb: Linux infong292 2.6.16.33-20070131a-areca-filemon-3ware-e1000 #1 SMP Wed Jan 31 02:48:22 CET 2007 i686 unknown |
| 10:38:51 | scorche | results from uname -arv |
| 10:39:52 | linuxstb | amiconn: There's also other "internal" codec metadata that it would be nice to store - seek tables for example. It would be nice to keep this with the other metadata, and load it via get_metadata() instead of making the codec parse the file again. |
| 10:39:54 | GodEater_ | scorche: is there a *-release file in /etc |
| 10:40:14 | linuxstb | scorche: Thanks - "x86 Linux" is all I wanted to know.. |
| 10:40:36 | * | pondlife will be happy as long as the playback code ends up nicely commented and structured. |
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| 10:40:53 | scorche | linuxstb: well, you said "exactly" =P |
| 10:40:55 | amiconn | Of course, if you can come up with a way to keep all metadata on buffer and *not* waste spinups with tracks larger than the buffer, then all would be good |
| 10:41:23 | * | amiconn considers tracks larger than the buffer quite common |
| 10:41:30 | JdGordon | amiconn: tracks larger than the buffer still wont cause a spin up untill the buffer is under a certain level... |
| 10:42:00 | pondlife | Tracks larger than the buffer are very common |
| 10:42:08 | amiconn | Yes, but a half-size ringbuffer will cause twice as many spinups as a full ringbuffer |
| 10:42:30 | linuxstb | It would be nice to always have next-track info available, even if the current track is bigger than the buffer. I'm not sure if that happens currently. |
| 10:42:49 | Llorean | It doesn't |
| 10:43:22 | Llorean | But next track info is fairly limited anyway, isn't it? |
| 10:43:34 | Llorean | You could have a fairly small struct for next track info permanently available. |
| 10:44:01 | Llorean | Without it entailing the same "limiting metadata size" that a fixed size struct would mean with current-track. |
| 10:44:23 | linuxstb | That would mean parsing the file twice though. |
| 10:44:39 | TiMiD[FD] | and no AA for next track ... |
| 10:44:52 | linuxstb | We want that? |
| 10:44:55 | Llorean | It wouldn't mean no AA... |
| 10:45:05 | JdGordon | imho we should not do anything with the next track unless its in the buffer |
| 10:45:16 | Llorean | linuxstb: Probably not, I'm just saying that the concept of not limiting metadata size doesn't apply to "Next track" |
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| 10:45:23 | linuxstb | JdGordon: But that makes the UI unpredictable (to a user) |
| 10:45:26 | Llorean | Also you'd only parse the file twice if current-track was longer than buffer |
| 10:45:59 | linuxstb | IMO, if we support "next track" info, it should always be available. |
| 10:47:09 | JdGordon | not if it means another spin up to get it |
| 10:47:33 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Of course not - we wouldn't implement it that way. |
| 10:47:35 | Llorean | But it doesn't mean another spin up, just a small amount more time still spinning. |
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| 10:49:02 | scorche | Redbreva, linuxstb, Llorean: wiki page is up (just missing the future vision/things that would be nice page, but you all know what that entails...that will be up soon) ThemeRepository |
| 10:49:17 | scorche | s/page/section |
| 10:49:20 | Llorean | linuxstb: How much of a hit is it to load and parse one track's metadata extra with every full buffer fill? |
| 10:49:22 | * | JdGordon really wants nico to show up before midnight my time :p |
| 10:49:38 | Llorean | While the disk is still spinning. |
| 10:50:11 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ok, i tihnk the use of metadata needs to be limited, for the new buffering stuff we are using that term for AA, lyrics, id3, everything... what you want is just the next tracks id3 info? _that_ im ok with having |
| 10:50:21 | scorche | i suppose i could have waited to ping linuxstb after i put the code into SVN... |
| 10:50:37 | JdGordon | oh dear... who gave scorche commit access! :p |
| 10:50:46 | scorche | i dont have it yet! =P |
| 10:50:52 | * | JdGordon shuts up |
| 10:51:05 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I was initially thinking about all the metadata, but Llorean's idea of just buffering the "core" id3 tags makes sense. |
| 10:51:26 | Llorean | You only have "Next" info on a few strings anyway. |
| 10:51:55 | linuxstb | Llorean: No idea really, but if the user wants it (i.e. is using a WPS with next track tags), then I think Rockbox should go to the effort of reading it. Maybe it could be conditional on the current WPS... |
| 10:52:37 | linuxstb | And I guess for database users, it could be populated from there. |
| 10:52:55 | JdGordon | I'm all for showign the next tracks info (and AA for that matter), but unless we have a seperate buffer, which we dont want, then only the id3 info should be read if the track inst in the buffer |
| 10:53:05 | Llorean | linuxstb: That makes a lot of sense |
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| 10:53:59 | Llorean | I just thought that at the end of every buffer fill, you could just load the first off-buffer song's core-ID3 info. So it's once per full buffer, while the disk is still spinning, and I guess only if the WPS shows it. |
| 10:54:28 | JdGordon | scratch the last part of the sentance... |
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| 10:54:48 | JdGordon | that just adds more comlication to it |
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| 10:56:32 | JdGordon | :( merging this is gonna be more a PITA that i was scared of |
| 10:58:43 | JdGordon | does anyone know which audio_* functions in audio.h are aboslutly crutial to get playback happening? |
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| 11:00:19 | JdGordon | changing topics completly.... how do I see which files were chaned in each commit? |
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| 11:01:53 | amiconn | linuxstb: The current swcodec playback does provide next track info all the time. The hwcodec engine does only provide it if the track is already in the buffer |
| 11:02:08 | Llorean | JdGordon: svn log -v |
| 11:02:31 | Llorean | amiconn: I don't get next track info with long flac files, afaik. |
| 11:02:48 | JdGordon | thanks Llorean |
| 11:03:22 | JdGordon | bugger... he didnt keep the test app updated with the test plugin :( |
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| 11:10:46 | linuxstb | scorche: When are you planning to put your PHP in SVN? |
| 11:12:37 | scorche | linuxstb: when i get commit access and the site is live |
| 11:13:12 | scorche | if it will be a while, i will have someone else commit it around the time when the site goes live anyway |
| 11:13:13 | bluebrother | is there some test site around? /me is curious ... |
| 11:13:33 | scorche | bluebrother: copy.rockbox-themes.org is my working copy |
| 11:14:02 | linuxstb | scorche: Maybe it could be a good idea to share the code privately with some others before it's "published" in SVN - just in case there are any obvious security issues. |
| 11:14:03 | scorche | it is largely ready to go live except for a few bugs |
| 11:14:51 | scorche | linuxstb: such as? |
| 11:15:17 | JdGordon | scorche: I wonder if the downloads should be there? maybe rename them to ... umm... i dont know |
| 11:15:22 | scorche | but, yes that sounds like a good idea |
| 11:15:32 | scorche | JdGordon: i dont know what you mean |
| 11:15:45 | JdGordon | the releases, currnet built, extras links |
| 11:15:57 | bluebrother | well, as the page is about themes maybe it's better to leave out the download links |
| 11:16:02 | JdGordon | downloads suggests that they are downloads for the themes |
| 11:16:15 | bluebrother | and put another link to the rockbox site prominently |
| 11:16:24 | linuxstb | scorche: Anything... badly written PHP code (I'm not suggesting your code is) could allow people to, for example, write to arbitrary locations on the server, delete files, etc etc. |
| 11:16:25 | scorche | i thought about that...but yes, that works |
| 11:16:43 | scorche | linuxstb: most of the code isnt mine in the first place, but yes, i will =) |
| 11:17:16 | scorche | bluebrother: such as an explicit link under the rockbox logo? |
| 11:17:25 | scorche | (the logo is a link there already) |
| 11:17:38 | JdGordon | scorche: and a link to CustomIcons would be nice, or is this not for them? |
| 11:17:52 | scorche | JdGordon: this is just for themes |
| 11:18:05 | bluebrother | something like this. Or add a new category "Rockbox" with a link "Rockbox website" |
| 11:18:06 | * | JdGordon thnks icons are part of themes as much as wps are |
| 11:18:41 | * | bluebrother agrees with JdGordon on this one |
| 11:18:47 | scorche | JdGordon: i agree, and if the theme uses a different iconset, they are instructed to include it |
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| 11:19:01 | linuxstb | Shouldn't the left menu be the same as the main website (and wiki, and forum) ? |
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| 11:19:14 | JdGordon | bluebrother: thats a first! |
| 11:19:24 | bluebrother | JdGordon: indeed :) |
| 11:19:39 | bluebrother | I'm surprised by myself *g* |
| 11:20:08 | scorche | linuxstb: not necessarily...the forum is slightly different, flyspray doesnt have it, and there are many important links for navigation of the theme repository that need to be on there |
| 11:22:27 | linuxstb | scorche: The forum is just missing the "Search" box, which would be confusing (probably the same for themes). However, the "assistance required" section could simply be a single link to a "ThemeAssistance" wiki page or similar. That just leaves 4 other links, which could be a menu across the top, similar to the forum buttons. |
| 11:23:19 | linuxstb | But it's your site... ;) |
| 11:23:23 | bluebrother | and does the deep link to the manual make sense at all? It links to the Ipod Video, but wps tags differ between targets |
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| 11:23:33 | bluebrother | (in terms of which tags are available) |
| 11:24:31 | JdGordon | yeah, shouldnt it link to the page for the selected target? |
| 11:24:56 | scorche | well, they havent selected a target yet in some screens |
| 11:25:34 | bluebrother | you could present a list of links depending on target of course. |
| 11:25:35 | JdGordon | then it should link to a generic page |
| 11:26:07 | scorche | do all of you think it would be better to just make the sidebar the same as the forums sidebar and have a nav menu at the top like linuxstb suggested then? |
| 11:26:25 | scorche | linuxstb: dont say it is my site...it is rockbox's =) |
| 11:26:36 | JdGordon | are codecs run in the codec thread? or the playback thread? |
| 11:27:09 | * | JdGordon getting so confused :p |
| 11:27:16 | J | scorche: a good rule of thumb for UI is the one of least suprise for the user. Keep things the same where possible I recommend. |
| 11:27:25 | bluebrother | scorche: well, I'm not completely sure. Having the same menu indeed has advantages. |
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| 11:27:49 | bluebrother | but otoh the menu should have the important links, and those are different for the themes page |
| 11:27:59 | scorche | the thing is, are 2 nav menus desired? |
| 11:28:13 | Llorean | Why do we need a link to the WPS Tags manual page if we have the wiki page? |
| 11:28:22 | Llorean | Aren't they the same content just laid out differently? |
| 11:28:29 | scorche | i could always have the regular sidebar with a few themes links added to the top |
| 11:28:43 | bluebrother | might be better. |
| 11:29:08 | bluebrother | you could link form the "Documentation" to a page directing further |
| 11:29:11 | linuxstb | scorche: IMO, you're the one actively working on, so you get to choose ;) |
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| 11:30:32 | scorche | bluebrother: if i went that way, i would just leave the whole of the Assistance Required? section in the dust and possibly link the relevant pages in the guidelines page if they need to be linked somewhere |
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| 11:31:41 | JdGordon | does this sound like thread overkill...? codec thread which runs the codecs and keeps the correct codec loaded. playback thread which the UI interacts with to get track data, skip tracks, seek, etc. and buffering thread to make sure the buffer stays full. ? |
| 11:31:50 | JdGordon | + voice thread later |
| 11:31:54 | scorche | lets see how this looks... |
| 11:37:01 | * | JdGordon back in 30min |
| 11:39:21 | linuxstb | scorche: Regarding the submission page - shouldn't we be asking for full, real names, rather than nicks? |
| 11:39:36 | linuxstb | Forget that, I've seen the second box... |
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| 11:41:07 | scorche | linuxstb, bluebrother: better? http://copy.rockbox-themes.org/ i can shrink the sidebar a bit, but there is stillt he issue of "Downloads" |
| 11:41:31 | scorche | and it is a bit long... |
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| 11:41:40 | linuxstb | I can't see any change on the upload.php page... |
| 11:41:56 | scorche | i only changed it for index.php |
| 11:42:04 | linuxstb | It's not a global include? |
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| 11:42:14 | scorche | nope |
| 11:42:24 | safetydan | Anyone with an iPod VIdeo kind enough to test http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7440 for me? |
| 11:42:27 | * | linuxstb needs to work on this php ;) |
| 11:43:17 | scorche | as i said..i tried to cut corners a bit so i could get the site out quickly...a lot of the stuff it quite messy still as it was when it got handed to me |
| 11:43:56 | scorche | as well, i am going to need to do a ton of cleanup before i place it in SVN, as there are things like the whitespace whis is *wildly* inconsistent |
| 11:44:17 | scorche | ah...redbreva left so i am not hurting his feelings =) |
| 11:45:18 | scorche | i think the whitespace is done every which was possible in the whole of the site... |
| 11:45:24 | scorche | s/was/way |
| 11:46:37 | midkay | safetydan: i'd be glad to if you'd compile it for me, i can't atm. |
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| 11:48:35 | scorche | linuxstb: your thoughts on the current sidebar in the root page? |
| 11:48:39 | bluebrother | scorche: looks better, but as you said it's somewhat long :) |
| 11:48:58 | scorche | bluebrother: i suppose i could remove the search area... |
| 11:49:07 | bluebrother | how about using some javascript and hide the links below the "title" boxes |
| 11:49:15 | pondlife | GodEater: I'm ok for DevConPubv2, same venue? |
| 11:49:19 | bluebrother | and only show them upon hover / clicked? |
| 11:49:56 | linuxstb | scorche: Thinking about the upload page, shouldn't the declaration include a statement to the effect that either a) the person uploading the theme is the copyright holder in all the content; or b) it is using content from other CC (or compatible) themes, in which case the copyright holder of the original theme should be referred to? I'm not familiar with the license being used, but there doesn't seem to be a way for the user (apart from |
| 11:49:56 | linuxstb | in the general description box) to provide licensing information. |
| 11:50:00 | scorche | hrm...that would get annoying imo...and the main site isnt liek that |
| 11:50:33 | bluebrother | hmm. Possible. |
| 11:50:37 | GodEater_ | pondlife: There's no need to go quite so West End this time since we've no foreign types attending - so we could go somewhere else if people prefer ? |
| 11:50:53 | linuxstb | scorche: I would prefer the left menu to be constant on all Rockbox sites. But we could possibly also add themes links to the other sites... |
| 11:51:26 | pondlife | GodEater: Pick a decent pub then? I'll be coming in via Paddington. |
| 11:52:00 | pondlife | Maybe you should also put a post up on the users mailing list. Or I can... |
| 11:52:04 | GodEater_ | ah - if you're coming in from that far west then perhaps we *should* stick to the same place |
| 11:52:04 | scorche | linuxstb: things under other licenses go int he .txt file as per the guidelines page |
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| 11:52:43 | linuxstb | GodEater: I'm happy to stick with the centre, but don't mind... |
| 11:53:23 | scorche | linuxstb: i would rather not increase the sidebar on all other sites...it is long enough |
| 11:53:57 | scorche | as well, i would rather not have a vertical *and* horizontal navbar for the themes site... |
| 11:54:05 | linuxstb | scorche: I just prefer forms than free text - it gives us more control over the data we're collecting, and means more automatic validation. |
| 11:55:05 | GodEater_ | pondlife, linuxstb: lets stick to the same pub then - seems easiest. |
| 11:55:23 | GodEater_ | if someone thinks it should get posted on the mailing list then please do - I'm not subscribed personally. |
| 11:55:24 | pondlife | Can you post the details again in the forum thread? |
| 11:55:30 | GodEater_ | sure |
| 11:55:36 | pondlife | I'll pop an invite on the ML |
| 11:55:47 | linuxstb | Was it agreed to be the 24th? I can't make the 25th. |
| 11:55:51 | pondlife | Yes |
| 11:56:50 | GodEater_ | I can't make the 25th either now - got a funeral to go to :( |
| 11:57:02 | GodEater_ | details on the forum post now |
| 11:57:05 | markun | linuxstb, GodEater_: was just looking at the forum thread, nice to see your faces :) |
| 11:57:38 | GodEater_ | the pic didn't crack your monitor then ? ;) |
| 11:57:39 | scorche | markun: if they could only see yours...(althought i saw the pic with no beard...) |
| 11:57:51 | GodEater_ | scorche: I've seen that pic too - and the one before |
| 11:58:11 | scorche | GodEater_: hush!...you are ruining my joke! |
| 11:58:14 | * | pondlife hopes nobody brings a camera next time... |
| 11:58:33 | GodEater_ | pondlife: no - we're bringing our H140's to get another recording of you singing.... |
| 11:58:35 | scorche | linuxstb: well, the problem with the forms and that .txt file is that that .txt file is inside the .zip... |
| 11:58:49 | pondlife | GodEater: lol, you never heard the last one then! |
| 11:58:49 | scorche | another?!?! |
| 11:58:57 | GodEater_ | pondlife: hehe - nope ;) |
| 11:59:11 | pondlife | Might take a lot of beer. |
| 11:59:18 | GodEater_ | we're in the right venue then |
| 11:59:41 | pondlife | Hmm, and if LinusN happens to be in London (business maybe?) then I'll buy him drinks all night for fixing my H340. |
| 11:59:45 | GodEater_ | I left my Rockbox poster at the pub last time - will have to print another |
| 11:59:57 | pondlife | Maybe they'll have it on the wall? |
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| 12:00:04 | pondlife | "Officially approved by Rockbox" |
| 12:00:12 | markun | When I met up with Moos for a coffee in Paris I forgot to take a picture |
| 12:00:19 | GodEater_ | pondlife: doubt it - it's not that sort of pub ;) |
| 12:00:25 | pondlife | Good :) |
| 12:00:28 | * | scorche wishes he had devs that lived close around |
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| 12:00:32 | pondlife | markun: DevConCafe ? |
| 12:00:36 | markun | :) |
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| 12:00:43 | linuxstb | scorche: The .txt file could be created from the information entered on the form and added to the .zip. |
| 12:00:49 | pondlife | scorche: Come over to London for a pint!! |
| 12:01:02 | markun | amiconn: shall we do a DevConBiergarten when I come to Berlin? :) |
| 12:01:06 | scorche | pondlife: alright...you pay for the plane ticket, i pay for the pint? =) |
| 12:01:07 | * | bluebrother is sad he can't make it to DevConPub :'( |
| 12:01:29 | pondlife | scorche: Haha, almost got me. |
| 12:02:08 | scorche | linuxstb: well, i think that might be a feature for themes.rockbox.org 2.0 |
| 12:02:24 | GodEater_ | scorche: Febs made it - you're just being a lightweight |
| 12:02:52 | scorche | GodEater_: you havent seen my wallet =) |
| 12:03:03 | * | scorche isnt a lawyer |
| 12:03:04 | pondlife | Ah, moths? |
| 12:03:08 | linuxstb | scorche: It's just that I think the most important thing on the site (which can't easily be changed in the future) in the data we're collecting from users. IMO that needs to be right from the very beginning, everything else can be changed. |
| 12:03:16 | GodEater_ | I've seen those moths |
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| 12:05:18 | austriancoder | petur: hi... have you time for some debuging today in the evening? |
| 12:05:47 | GodEater_ | scorche: I told Febs he was an Ambulance Chaser :) |
| 12:06:10 | GodEater_ | markun: how is TTS coming along ? |
| 12:06:10 | scorche | linuxstb: well, yes i would like to have that (it would make many things easier for all parties involved), but i have no clue how to add a file to a zip in php, would be reading a lot of the manual, and (the bad part) delay the site debuting for at least another week |
| 12:06:17 | scorche | but it is something that would be good to do.. |
| 12:06:22 | markun | austriancoder: the Gigabeat S is also in need of you USB stack |
| 12:06:32 | scorche | GodEater_: i wasnt aware what type of lawyer he was |
| 12:06:42 | GodEater_ | scorche: he said "litigation" |
| 12:06:47 | markun | GodEater_: his plugin is not working, but I believe he's working hard now |
| 12:06:53 | scorche | argho...those damn lawyers ;) |
| 12:06:59 | GodEater_ | and I didn't give him time to say "I defend against it" |
| 12:07:10 | austriancoder | markun: as long as there are some infos like datasheet its not a hard task to support it |
| 12:07:17 | * | pondlife needs a lawyer...probably |
| 12:07:35 | markun | austriancoder: the i.mx31 (in the Gigabeat S) has been used for the portalplayer USB code anyway, right? |
| 12:07:59 | austriancoder | markun: ahh. an other i.mx31 :) |
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| 12:08:12 | markun | yes, so even less work |
| 12:08:16 | austriancoder | markun: yep.. pp also using this chip |
| 12:08:32 | markun | well, I don't believe they use the chip, but part of the logic |
| 12:08:44 | safetydan | midkay, if you're up to it, here's a test build of unknown workingness http://iocaine.org/rockbox-ipod-video.zip |
| 12:08:55 | austriancoder | markun: yep |
| 12:08:58 | markun | would be crazy to add a 533MHz ARM11 just for USB support :) |
| 12:09:13 | petur | austriancoder: this week and next week are bad... only tomorrow is free atm, and next week I'm afk |
| 12:09:18 | GodEater_ | markun: I'm all for that sort of crazy ;) |
| 12:09:36 | petur | austriancoder: I did have time the past days but you weren't here |
| 12:09:40 | pondlife | GodEater: Did you invite stripwax? I never seem to be on IRC at the same time. |
| 12:10:48 | austriancoder | petur: no problem.. maybe daniel can play men in the middle for a mail conversation with MrM |
| 12:11:01 | GodEater_ | pondlife: it's an open invitation, but I've no specifically said to him "come along" |
| 12:11:05 | GodEater_ | *not |
| 12:11:15 | GodEater_ | he was supposed to come last time but felt too ill apparently |
| 12:11:39 | pondlife | Just wondered, he did express interest before. |
| 12:11:56 | * | pondlife seems to have moved to Kent according to Rasher's map... |
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| 12:12:36 | petur | austriancoder: I'm sorry for this but real life decided otherwise, I'll give it my focus again starting august 1 |
| 12:13:23 | midkay | safetydan: close, but not quite. i'm not sure if you were aware, but before this patch (i.e. in svn builds), since forever, at least on the 5Gs, bass and treble haven't worked right - instead of adding bass or treble, they'll increase the volume. |
| 12:13:56 | midkay | safetydan: with the build you provided, they properly adjust bass and treble, but also still the volume, so turning up the bass will result in more bass and more output. same with treble. |
| 12:14:13 | petur | austriancoder: did you manage to compare with the code of MrH? I would think he manages to transmit? |
| 12:14:14 | midkay | you've just got to fix that volume-related bug and it should be fine. |
| 12:14:34 | linuxstb | scorche: Assuming the "zip" binary is executable from PHP scripts on RedBreva's server, then you would just write the text file somewhere, then do somthing like chdir("/path/to/textfile/") ; system("/bin/zip /path/to/existingzipfile.zip textfile.txt") |
| 12:14:46 | austriancoder | petur: I have looked at it... but I dont can find the cause why mine is not working |
| 12:15:00 | safetydan | midkay, I wasn't aware of the volume related issue :) I was just aiming to replace the bass/treble with one that worked. |
| 12:15:06 | midkay | safetydan: and it's hard to tell if the cutoffs are working properly or not. it'd be easier to test once you fix that bug. |
| 12:15:08 | safetydan | midkay, did you try the cutoff settings? |
| 12:15:23 | safetydan | midkay, ah okay. I'll see what can be done about that. |
| 12:15:54 | midkay | safetydan: at least you have partial success. :) that bug needs fixing before the patch will work as intended. it *seems* that the cutoffs aren't working, but i can't be entirely sure. |
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| 12:16:02 | midkay | i can't seem hear a difference, though. |
| 12:16:23 | linuxstb | Were they definitely working with the hw eq interface? |
| 12:16:36 | midkay | linuxstb: yes, the high and low shelf filter cutoffs worked for sure. |
| 12:16:36 | * | linuxstb seems to recall amiconn did some tests |
| 12:16:38 | petur | austriancoder: maybe something in the init still not ok? The strange thing is you do not get an error (I also fail to transmit with my isp1362, but at least it is giving me back an error) |
| 12:16:40 | safetydan | linuxstb, I think either preglow or amiconn, did tests |
| 12:16:47 | midkay | linuxstb: not the three peak filters, those never worked at all. |
| 12:17:15 | scorche | linuxstb: hrm...i wonder what version of php this server has... http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/opensource/library/os-php-v524/ |
| 12:17:36 | linuxstb | v5.24 I would guess from the URL |
| 12:17:38 | austriancoder | petur: I have checked it... when the first setup packet comes... endpoint 0 has rx and tx enabled... |
| 12:17:50 | austriancoder | I have checked that everything is in IRAM |
| 12:17:56 | midkay | safetydan: well, if you manage to hunt down that bug (or if you think you figure it out) i'll be around for a while to test it out :) |
| 12:18:11 | safetydan | midkay, cheers |
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| 12:18:13 | austriancoder | I have checked the generated transfer descriptor |
| 12:18:59 | petur | austriancoder: did you also check the TX/RX status flags (can't remember where they were) |
| 12:19:00 | linuxstb | scorche: I guess you meant RedBreva's server... According to the headers it's 4.4.7 |
| 12:19:08 | scorche | ack |
| 12:19:24 | austriancoder | petur: so i know that the transfer is active, transmits 18 byte and IOC is set to 1 (Interrupt on Complete) |
| 12:19:31 | scorche | so i would have to do it your way... |
| 12:19:36 | linuxstb | But that's not really an issue - it's nicer not to rely on needing the latest versions of things. |
| 12:20:02 | austriancoder | petur: logf("ep0 s 0x%x", UDC_ENDPTCTRL0); /* 0x800080 -> 100000000000000010000000 rx enabled tx enabled */ |
| 12:20:11 | scorche | well, using $zip->addFile("testtext.txt"); would have been nice |
| 12:21:34 | linuxstb | Let's just hope the server has zip (and unzip) installed. But I assume it's possible for us to upload our own binaries to the server? |
| 12:21:47 | linuxstb | (hopefully we can add check_wps soon) |
| 12:22:18 | austriancoder | petur: I disabled handing of the setup packet and set the first 2 endpoints to transmit their data. and I only get a buffer error on endpoint 1 |
| 12:22:51 | austriancoder | petur: But it should give 2 buffer errors, as I dont setup an transfer descriptor. |
| 12:22:55 | scorche | linuxstb: not sure actually...i do know that scripts are (of course) provided |
| 12:23:28 | scorche | i could call them and find out, i suppose |
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| 12:26:03 | scorche | linuxstb: from SSH at least, i can use zip/unzip |
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| 12:26:57 | petur | austriancoder: sorry - work interrupt :) |
| 12:28:29 | austriancoder | petur: after I eat something I will copy&paste MrH code to transmit and check if it works |
| 12:28:29 | safetydan | midkay, from the little information we have it looks like there's no way around the volume boost without scaling the volume when you change bass/treble settings |
| 12:29:07 | petur | austriancoder: hmmm out of ideas right now... maybe MrH or somebody else could have a peek at your code? I'll try to be online tonight but it will be quite late |
| 12:30:05 | petur | austriancoder: if you changed your code more put the latest version online maybe |
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| 12:30:48 | ThreeM | hi there |
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| 12:33:02 | midkay | safetydan: why not? before your patch, the hardware eq worked fine, no volume boost, and the bass setting was only volume boost. now that they're combined, you get the volume boost and the bass/treble boost. seems like you just need to gut whatever code was used for the bass setting before the patch and replace it entirely with the hardware eq code. |
| 12:33:54 | ThreeM | i have a question about the Battery Runtime on iPod 4gen Greyscale. Is Rockbox able to play longer than ~4 Hours now? i see nothing in the todo list about it, so i thougt its done and rockbox is playing playing like the stock firmware? |
| 12:34:18 | linuxstb | Which todo list? It's definitely still an issue. |
| 12:34:43 | linuxstb | This is the ipod-specific to-do list - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus |
| 12:35:49 | ThreeM | hh key :) best view with open eyes :) Sorry for Disturbing you |
| 12:36:15 | safetydan | midkay, actually you're right. There's a volume prescaler being applied when bass/treble is set in sound.c |
| 12:37:07 | midkay | safetydan: that must be it. after all, if we can work the hardware eq on its own in SVN, no reason we can't simply rename it to "bass" and "treble" and have it work the same way. :) |
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| 12:40:47 | scorche | linuxstb: would doing things this way allow us to put the file in a place other than the / of the zip? |
| 12:40:52 | safetydan | midkay, try grabbing another build from http://iocaine.org/rockbox-ipod-video.zip |
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| 12:41:51 | linuxstb | scorche: Yes. You would need to create the appropriate directory hierarchy, and do something like system("/bin/zip /path/zipfile.zip subdir/textfile.txt") |
| 12:43:16 | amiconn | linuxstb: The low shelf and high shelf cutoff settings did definitely work. I did some test recordings of a sine sweep, fed them through fft and made plots |
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| 12:43:49 | linuxstb | amiconn: Thanks. I thought you did that.. |
| 12:44:30 | midkay | safetydan: aah, volume issue fixed. :) it just now seems to me that the cutoffs don't work at all. i could definitely recognize the difference with the hardware EQ, i used to use and tweak it all the time. can't hear any difference now. |
| 12:45:02 | scorche | linuxstb: and that hierarchy would be subdir in your example?....and this would have to be created with each submission? |
| 12:45:04 | safetydan | midkay, okay, I probably stuffed something up there. Good to know the rest works though. |
| 12:45:38 | midkay | safetydan: cool, if you figure out what might be wrong, i want another build :D |
| 12:45:44 | linuxstb | scorche: Is the subdir name going to be unique to the theme? |
| 12:45:45 | safetydan | midkay, will do :) |
| 12:45:51 | linuxstb | (or subdirs) |
| 12:45:56 | scorche | linuxstb: no... |
| 12:46:24 | linuxstb | Then you can just create the path once and create all the textfiles in there directly. |
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| 12:55:20 | safetydan | midkay, new build, same location |
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| 12:57:25 | amiconn | linuxstb: It's still online: http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/ipodvideo_spectrum.png |
| 12:57:41 | Jens | (grrr) |
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| 13:01:26 | midkay | safetydan: still doesn't seem to work. :( |
| 13:01:48 | scorche | linuxstb: alright...well, i will look at some things and likely get back to you tomorrow ish with some questions (if i have them), but for now the site debut is delayed for a bit while this gets done |
| 13:01:57 | scorche | thanks for your input =) |
| 13:04:22 | safetydan | midkay, darn. Well thanks for testing, but I have to give up for tonight. I'll upload a new version of the patch to flyspray. |
| 13:05:22 | midkay | safetydan: alright, no problem. oh, and also: my bass settings, while retained, were not applied on startup. i had to change them before they came into effect. |
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| 13:05:50 | midkay | i bet the code somewhere checks at startup if the eq is on, and if so, applies the setting? you'll probably just need to readjust that to always apply the bass/treble settings at startup. |
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| 13:10:14 | Crash91 | hi |
| 13:10:53 | Crash91 | anyone know when we will have usb support on sansa? |
| 13:11:07 | scorche | we dont give timelines =) |
| 13:11:14 | amiconn | midkay: Imo it should be handled exactly like ordinary bass/treble. Then there shouldn't be a problem |
| 13:11:35 | Crash91 | =) ive realised that, but give me an estiamte |
| 13:11:40 | Crash91 | estimate* |
| 13:12:09 | midkay | amiconn: you'll have to convince safetydan. although i do not want to lose the ability to adjust cutoff. as i recall, you said this should be doable on most/all other targets? if so, it should be introduced for them all, i think. |
| 13:12:22 | Crash91 | oh nvm, im off |
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| 13:12:27 | amiconn | midkay: On some other targets, yes |
| 13:13:17 | midkay | amiconn: then i think it should be introduced for those who have the capability. |
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| 13:25:09 | safetydan | midkay, I can't see why it's not applying the settings at startup. It should be done by the call to sound_settings_apply in audio_init. |
| 13:26:41 | midkay | safetydan: hmm. didn't seem to for me. |
| 13:27:30 | safetydan | midkay, well I'll take another look later. For now sleep. |
| 13:27:31 | safetydan | night all |
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| 13:29:42 | GodEater_ | will an ipod continue to charge after being "ejected" if you don't disconnect the cable ? |
| 13:30:19 | midkay | GodEater: yes, it should. |
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| 13:32:04 | GodEater_ | midkay: thanks |
| 13:32:52 | pondlife | pixelma: Any idea when the voice-results-in-CPU-boost bug was discussed? I saw your forum post, but haven't seen this bug on my H340 despite using voice most of the time... |
| 13:33:40 | pixelma | hmm... amiconn and jhMikeS discussed that last week - let me see |
| 13:34:23 | pixelma | and I experience it too on my M5 |
| 13:35:00 | pondlife | During playback only? |
| 13:35:14 | pondlife | Or continuing after stop too? |
| 13:35:21 | pixelma | during playback |
| 13:36:41 | pondlife | Hmm, did I dream it or is there a way to see what threads have triggered CPU boosts..? |
| 13:37:29 | pondlife | I did have a nasty tracker in there a while back, but it used a bit of memory and we decided it wasn't useful enough. |
| 13:38:44 | JdGordon | there is a boost logger |
| 13:38:51 | JdGordon | you need to manually enable it though |
| 13:38:59 | pondlife | logf only, or is there more to it? |
| 13:39:28 | JdGordon | CPU_BOOST_LOGGING |
| 13:39:41 | pondlife | Thanks |
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| 13:42:01 | linuxstb | merbanan: I've noticed some recent work on cook.c in ffmpeg. I'm assuming these changes are breaking the fixed-point version - do you know if anyone is maintaining those patches? (I'm seriously thinking about porting the cook decoder to Rockbox). |
| 13:42:10 | pixelma | pondlife: July 13th, 19:20 and following |
| 13:42:33 | pondlife | pixelma: Thanks |
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| 13:42:49 | GodEater_ | I spot a thread that needs locking in the forums before it gets out of hand... |
| 13:43:19 | scorche | ? |
| 13:43:32 | GodEater_ | that DJ one - I see you're viewing it too |
| 13:43:40 | GodEater_ | apparently we all have our heads up our asses |
| 13:44:16 | scorche | oh...i thought you meant thoat dastardly london social thread |
| 13:44:24 | scorche | me steals the o |
| 13:44:41 | pixelma | lndn? |
| 13:44:57 | scorche | s/thoat/that =P |
| 13:45:58 | pondlife | Someone forgot their Ritalin...? |
| 13:46:44 | * | GodEater_ googles Ritalin |
| 13:46:51 | pondlife | I probably spelt it wrong |
| 13:47:03 | scorche | GodEater_: damn..paul is fast |
| 13:47:24 | GodEater_ | nope you didn't |
| 13:47:29 | GodEater_ | ADHD treatment |
| 13:47:42 | GodEater_ | he's pretty agressive |
| 13:47:59 | pondlife | That's the one. As a side-effect it allows us to take our heads out of our asses. |
| 13:48:21 | GodEater_ | I hope it doesn't mean we stop soundlike a bag of shit though |
| 13:48:23 | GodEater_ | that would be terrible |
| 13:48:32 | GodEater_ | *sounding like |
| 13:48:35 | pondlife | No, that can never happen. |
| 13:49:05 | scorche | "well all i'm gona say is that good luck in spreading this "open" source firmware with the amazing marketing and propoganda machine that is the frankly dodgy UI of this website, dictatorship forums and unhelpful and superior mods with their head up there own backsides."....i must say...he was really reaching with that one |
| 13:49:28 | * | pondlife loves the smell of "propoganda" in the morning. |
| 13:49:36 | linuxstb | merbanan: Forget my question - I've now actually paid more attention to the content of the patches... |
| 13:53:21 | pondlife | GodEater: p.s. Please don't risk doping my drinks. I've got about zero alcohol tolerance, so you can save your money... :) |
| 13:53:36 | * | amiconn wonders if anyone is using realaudio for serious things |
| 13:53:54 | scorche | some use it for streaming... |
| 13:53:59 | amiconn | RA truly sounds like our famous BoS... |
| 13:54:23 | amiconn | I'd rather stream mp3 (ok, it's not made for streaming) or even wma |
| 13:54:29 | * | petur abandonned it years ago |
| 13:54:42 | pondlife | I've heard people defending RA, saying it's much improved nowadays, but have still not heard a good one. |
| 13:54:49 | GodEater_ | pondlife: awwwww - I really wanted to hear the singing.... |
| 13:55:23 | pondlife | GodEater: Take that to #rockbox-community, and no-one will hear you or me... |
| 13:55:37 | linuxstb | I'm interested because the BBC stream a lot of things with RA. Although nowadays most things seem to be available in wma as well. |
| 13:57:11 | petur | Belgian radio pisses me off, they stream mp3, but they use two streams and the audio alternates bewteen them. If you capture one you get choppy sound :( |
| 13:57:49 | JdGordon | amiconn: my stupid uni uses RA for the online lectures |
| 13:57:57 | markun | petur: studio brussel? |
| 13:58:11 | petur | yup |
| 13:58:30 | petur | in fact, all VRT stations |
| 13:59:29 | dionoea | petur: i'd be interested if you could send me a link to such a stream (just to see how it's handled) |
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| 14:00:14 | JdGordon | woot, uni is using mp3 this semetser :) |
| 14:00:56 | linuxstb | petur: If it's listenable, it must be capturable... |
| 14:01:03 | pondlife | Is there a free RA encoder around? |
| 14:01:36 | linuxstb | I think the realproducer tools are free (as in no cost). I don't think anything open source exists. |
| 14:01:47 | pondlife | Hmm, free, but not free. |
| 14:01:57 | petur | dionoea: this is their player: http://internetradio.vrt.be/radiospeler/v2_prod/wmp.html?qsbrand=41 - I don't have theURL's of the streams around... |
| 14:01:57 | GodEater_ | gratis but not libre |
| 14:02:00 | linuxstb | free but not Free. |
| 14:02:29 | Kasperle | what about the "helix server"? |
| 14:02:38 | Kasperle | isn't that open? |
| 14:02:49 | pondlife | "For the Real Audio decode part, there is no source code," |
| 14:02:52 | linuxstb | The helix project seems a legal mess to me... |
| 14:02:55 | pondlife | Not sure about the encoder |
| 14:03:21 | pondlife | I was mainly wondering what encoding options/parameters RA used. |
| 14:03:24 | Kasperle | oh, bleh |
| 14:03:40 | linuxstb | pondlife: There's also about 10 different codecs to choose from... |
| 14:04:11 | linuxstb | "cook" is a common one, and that's the one that exists in ffmpeg. |
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| 14:09:44 | dionoea | petur: ok, thanks. I'll have a look when i get back from work. |
| 14:09:48 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: you've read up on this a lot for someone who didn't want to do it on his own ;) |
| 14:14:56 | pondlife | Hmm, is it just me or is the debug build failing at the moment..? "/home/Steve/rockbox/apps/main.c:348: undefined reference to `debug_init'" |
| 14:15:05 | pondlife | Lunchtime |
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| 14:22:01 | amiconn | pondlife: For what target? |
| 14:22:06 | pondlife | H300 |
| 14:22:10 | pondlife | debug+logf |
| 14:22:14 | amiconn | Debug build only work for archos targets and ifp |
| 14:22:27 | pondlife | Hmm, they used to work for H300 |
| 14:22:30 | amiconn | And for sims, where debug is always enabled |
| 14:22:42 | amiconn | All other targets only have logf |
| 14:22:51 | amiconn | It never worked for anything coldfire |
| 14:23:09 | pondlife | Maybe I've only ever used it with the sim... |
| 14:23:12 | amiconn | At least not as it should |
| 14:23:24 | pondlife | Nevermind, I'll use logf |
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| 14:29:20 | JdGordon | 1/3 threads done |
| 14:30:01 | linuxstb | petur: That VRT website just crashes firefox for me (but then, anything which uses sound tends to crash my firefox...) |
| 14:30:29 | petur | heh... firefox is happy with it here |
| 14:31:54 | * | linuxstb wishes websites would just stick to html... |
| 14:32:41 | * | petur had to capture the network traffic to find the stream URLs |
| 14:33:13 | linuxstb | At least the BBC generally have "play in standalone player" links to .asx or .ram files. |
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| 14:39:02 | markun | linuxstb: too bad they stopped the ogg vorbis experiment |
| 14:40:40 | linuxstb | Indeed. |
| 14:41:53 | linuxstb | Seems the current live streams are 48kbps WMA, 44.1kbps RM or 10kbps (!!) WMA. Archived audio can be found in better quality though. |
| 14:41:59 | linuxstb | Which is a bit sad... |
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| 14:47:51 | GodEater_ | 10kbps |
| 14:47:54 | GodEater_ | wow |
| 14:47:59 | GodEater_ | they're really pushing the boat out there |
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| 14:52:04 | J | possible suggestion; after a delay (configurable) without user input change to (configurable) screen. I'm thinking where the user has accidently pressed a button which, for example, took them out of the currently playing screen, then after a while rockbox could switch back to it...? Thoughts? |
| 14:52:25 | bluebrother | J: please not. |
| 14:52:37 | J | bluebrother: reasons? |
| 14:52:45 | bluebrother | auto-switching screens have been discussed several times ... most don't want them. |
| 14:53:07 | J | ok. |
| 14:53:43 | bluebrother | it would also switch if you switch screens for a purpose, and if you (f.e.) switch to the file browser without view and it switches back to wps automatically you won't notice that. |
| 14:53:57 | scorche | it would also cause havoc for our blind population |
| 14:53:57 | J | true. |
| 14:54:09 | J | bad suggestion - sorry. |
| 14:54:09 | bluebrother | scorche: beat me ;-) Just wanted to notice that. |
| 14:54:58 | bluebrother | well, it was a suggestion. So no biggie ;-) |
| 14:55:27 | J | :) |
| 14:55:34 | bluebrother | at least I prefer such suggestions over rarely used features. Like using the Ipods scroll wheel for scratching like things |
| 14:56:51 | J | the two things I like in rockbox most are 1) iPod accessories (I know - lot of work) and 2) not always switching the backlight on for particular operations (eg, volume up/down) |
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| 14:57:17 | J | but I can't get to grips with the codebase and have little time to commit so no complaints here. |
| 14:58:40 | bluebrother | I bought a remote for the Ipod recently to look into it but it seems my Ipod doesn't like it. |
| 14:59:26 | amiconn | Well, you don't necessarily need to have a remote in order to make the remote work |
| 14:59:57 | amiconn | It's standard rs232 protocol; the problem is figuring out how to use the PP rsr232 interface |
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| 15:00:12 | bluebrother | right. But I expected it to work using AppleOS so I could more easily sniff the connection |
| 15:00:58 | bluebrother | but I haven't checked further. Maybe something with the remote is wrong. |
| 15:01:09 | amiconn | Sniffing the connection isn't necessary. The ipl people already documented the accessory protocol |
| 15:01:53 | * | amiconn thinks the best development setup would be to connect a pc serial port (with a level converter of course) |
| 15:02:23 | bluebrother | that's what I intended to do (after AppleOS recognizes the remote) |
| 15:03:00 | bluebrother | maybe I should try without bothering about the remote ... |
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| 15:05:59 | aliask | How can I ensure a function is going to be placed at a location which is word aligned? |
| 15:06:21 | linuxstb | I would expect that to be done automatically. |
| 15:06:30 | aliask | Ok, that'll do. |
| 15:07:11 | aliask | Hrm, now to figure out why the ISR never gets called. |
| 15:07:36 | * | GodEater_ likes that fact that "automatically" is merely acceptable to aliask |
| 15:08:05 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Yes, I would just try connecting an ipod to a PC serial port. Connecting to actual accessories may require further initialisation/work. |
| 15:08:22 | linuxstb | bluebrother: You could write a gdb stub whilst you're there... ;) |
| 15:08:37 | aliask | Should I think it's *super cool*? |
| 15:10:07 | aliask | Will casting a function to an unsigned long give the address of the function? Or should I be casting to a pointer? |
| 15:12:36 | markun | aliask: the function name can be used as a variable and will be a pointer to the function iirc |
| 15:13:27 | aliask | Perfect :) |
| 15:13:32 | bluebrother | linuxstb: I think I'll build up the hardware first. I already have the needed chip for level conversion ... just need a soldering iron to do it now ;-) |
| 15:13:55 | markun | aliask: see apps/plugin.c for example |
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| 15:36:03 | austriancoder | petur: I have tryed it now MrH way... but it dosnt work *grrrrr* http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/like_mrh_but_not_wokring.diff |
| 15:36:18 | austriancoder | petur: I will dontact daniel, that we can ask MrH for help |
| 15:36:29 | petur | ok |
| 15:36:59 | petur | I'll try to have a look at it too - tonight *late* |
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| 15:40:57 | amiconn | austriancoder: wokring cannot work of course ;) |
| 15:41:38 | austriancoder | amiconn: typo fixed |
| 15:41:41 | austriancoder | :) |
| 15:42:30 | austriancoder | amiconn: do you have time to debug with me or... you only need to look at the code of mrh and mines and maybe you can figure out whats wrong.... |
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| 16:01:49 | bluebrother | obo: can you give me a hint with qt designer 4? |
| 16:01:58 | obo | I can try :) |
| 16:02:23 | bluebrother | I want to insert a bitmap but I have no idea what element I need to insert. |
| 16:02:39 | obo | I think you can do it with a label... |
| 16:04:01 | bluebrother | cool, that did it. Thanks! |
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| 16:42:23 | linuxstb | n1s: Regarding your recent change to rolo.c, I think you forgot the gigabeat (although it doesn't have Rolo yet). ICODE_ATTR is defined to be null (it only has about 4KB of IRAM), so it will explicitly need section(".icode") for rolo_restart(). But then that will give a problem because STATICIRAM is defined to be "static" for the gigabeat... |
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| 16:44:52 | n1s | linuxstb: aha, so should I just revert and add a comment, or what do you think? |
| 16:47:09 | linuxstb | Maybe... It could cause problems if whoever comes to implement rolo for the gigabeat doesn't notice. |
| 16:47:47 | n1s | linuxstb: ok, will do it. |
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| 16:56:42 | n1s | linuxstb: ok, fixed, btw STATICIRAM is defined the same for all arm targets, but it doesn't matter much here, might as be non-static to be a little more consistent with the SH version of the function. |
| 16:56:52 | n1s | +well |
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| 17:00:39 | linuxstb | IIUC, STATICIRAM is "static" for the gigabeat, and null for other ARMs (CPU_PP and PNX0101). The #ifs are nested in config.h... |
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| 17:01:32 | linuxstb | (Gigabeat's CONFIG_CPU is S3C2440) |
| 17:01:44 | amiconn | It should also be 'staic' for the iFP |
| 17:02:02 | linuxstb | Is the iFP PNX0101? |
| 17:02:20 | amiconn | yes |
| 17:02:39 | n1s | linuxstb: yes but CPU_ARM is defined for all arm targets and the STATICIRAM thing is defined based on if CPU_ARM is defined IIUC |
| 17:02:51 | linuxstb | Then it looks like it's defined the same as CPU_PP |
| 17:03:18 | linuxstb | n1s: Yes, but that #ifdef CPU_ARM is inside another #if which excludes the gigabeat. |
| 17:03:23 | amiconn | The problem is that gcc implies 'short call' for static functions |
| 17:03:55 | amiconn | ...but iram functions must be long call, except in iFP where it's possible to map both memory regions close enough for short calls |
| 17:04:13 | linuxstb | So basically we can't make icode functions static on ARM? |
| 17:04:21 | n1s | linuxstb: ah, yes I see what you say now, it's not very reader friendly :-) |
| 17:04:33 | amiconn | Correct, unless they're _only_ called from other iram functions |
| 17:05:00 | linuxstb | Well, at least it's better than the previous situation. |
| 17:05:04 | amiconn | Another arm-*-gcc flaw |
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| 17:07:00 | linuxstb | n1s: I agree. But it seems no-one likes to indent #defines like that. |
| 17:08:43 | * | amiconn hates indented preprocessor statements |
| 17:09:28 | linuxstb | I generally do, but think config.h is a special case - there's no C code... |
| 17:09:38 | pondlife | Wasn't the # meant to be in the first column for C anyway? |
| 17:10:15 | pondlife | I always thought that indented preprocessor commands were a C++ (or later C) extension. |
| 17:15:29 | amiconn | You can indent by putting spaces between # and the keyword |
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| 17:32:56 | Nico_P | amiconn: I saw in today's log that you were wondering about metadata blocking the middle of the file buffer... |
| 17:33:02 | Nico_P | that won't be a problem at all |
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| 17:35:25 | n1s | Nico_P: does your buffer rewrite handle the situation when you have buffered part of a file and when you try to buffer the rest the file is gone? |
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| 17:35:53 | * | linuxstb waits for Nico_P to explain why metadata won't block the middle of the buffer |
| 17:35:55 | Nico_P | n1s: no... never thought of that case actually :) |
| 17:36:09 | Nico_P | n1s: but shouldn't be too much of a problem |
| 17:36:32 | n1s | Nico_P: sounds good :-) |
| 17:36:48 | Nico_P | linuxstb: even if there is data in the middle of the buffer, a new long file will just wrap around it and will still be able to be used as a ring buffer |
| 17:37:07 | Nico_P | actually that's how it worked in my test case |
| 17:37:19 | pondlife | With multiple guard buffers? |
| 17:37:25 | Nico_P | pondlife: no, only one |
| 17:37:31 | linuxstb | You mean it will only use the first part of the buffer? |
| 17:37:41 | Nico_P | linuxstb: no, it uses the whole buffer |
| 17:37:59 | Llorean | Nico_P: If a file only gets say, 20% of the buffer initially, then the remainder of the buffer is consumed, can it expand to fill the buffer before it starts doing the within-a-ring ring buffering? |
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| 17:38:18 | pondlife | OK, so say you have FILEPART1|metadata|FILEPART2|guard...how will it feed the codec the last part of FILEPART1 ? |
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| 17:38:40 | Nico_P | Llorean: not currently, but it should indeed |
| 17:38:40 | pondlife | with gapless playback of FILEPART1/FILEPART2 |
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| 17:39:39 | Nico_P | pondlife: bufgetdata ensures that it provides a whole piece to the codec by copying a whole block to the guard buffer if necessary |
| 17:39:45 | Nico_P | not sure it works fine yet though |
| 17:40:17 | Nico_P | and actually your example coudn't happen |
| 17:40:33 | Nico_P | it would be FILEPART2|meta|FILEPART1|guard| |
| 17:40:56 | linuxstb | But it could be FILEPART2|meta|FILEPART3|guard| ? |
| 17:41:12 | pondlife | Ah, ok - I was thinking that the buffering might have to fill and skip around metadata. |
| 17:42:08 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I don't see how it could happen, but I'm not sure I get what you mean |
| 17:43:19 | linuxstb | FILEPART3 is the part of the file that comes after FILEPART2... FILEPART1 is the start of the file. |
| 17:43:33 | linuxstb | Imagine a very large file. |
| 17:43:48 | pondlife | Or a small buffer |
| 17:43:56 | Nico_P | ok I see... maybe an example will make things clearer |
| 17:44:16 | linuxstb | I thought that was an example? ;) |
| 17:44:23 | Nico_P | a complete one :) |
| 17:44:50 | Nico_P | 1 would be |.....|meta|FILEPART1|guard| |
| 17:45:22 | Nico_P | then we go on buffering : |FILEPART2|meta|FILEPART1|guard| |
| 17:45:42 | GodEater_ | what's "....." represent ? empty buffer ? |
| 17:45:50 | Nico_P | and then it would be |FILEPART2|meta|FILEPART3|guard| so yes it would happen |
| 17:45:58 | Nico_P | GodEater_: yes or old data |
| 17:46:30 | pondlife | But you will copy the last part of FILEPART2 and the first part of FILEPART3 to guard before passing it to the codec. |
| 17:46:50 | pondlife | Otherwise pass a pointer to the data direct? |
| 17:46:51 | Nico_P | yes |
| 17:47:01 | Nico_P | copy to the guard buffer before passing |
| 17:47:22 | linuxstb | That could mean lots of copying. A guard buffer at the end of FILEPART2 might be useful. |
| 17:47:34 | Nico_P | the buffer for the FILEPARTs is a ring buffer starting right after the metadata and ending right be |
| 17:47:39 | Nico_P | ...before |
| 17:48:06 | Nico_P | linuxstb: why ? to me it would be ony once every time there is a wrap in the reading |
| 17:48:11 | linuxstb | e.g. some codecs don't know how much data they need, so request 32KB, consume a little bit, (e.g. a few hundred bytes), advance the pointer, then request another 32KB.... |
| 17:48:22 | Nico_P | ah |
| 17:51:18 | linuxstb | Have you considered the option of moving the metadata within the buffer to keep it right behind the current track? |
| 17:51:40 | linuxstb | (I'm not sure if that would cause more issues than it would solve though...) |
| 17:52:09 | Nico_P | I have, but as you say I think it's too complicated to be a good solution |
| 17:52:24 | Nico_P | and it would involve a lot of moving |
| 17:52:50 | amiconn | Are there plans how to handle non-streaming formats that must be contiguous in memory? |
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| 17:53:30 | Nico_P | amiconn: yes, but those, will obviously need to be smaller than the buffer |
| 17:53:52 | amiconn | of course |
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| 17:54:09 | Nico_P | I was thinking of adding a boolean to bufopen indicating whether the file can wrap |
| 17:54:16 | Nico_P | that should be enough |
| 17:55:13 | amiconn | What if the non-wrappable file doesn't fit when buffering is called first, but would fit once preceding data is freed? |
| 17:55:44 | amiconn | This scenario does require an extra spinup of course - but will it work? |
| 17:56:46 | Nico_P | amiconn: it could... |
| 17:59:01 | Nico_P | n1s: actually I think the case you suggested when the file disappears before being buffered completely should already be handled fine :) |
| 17:59:17 | Nico_P | or almost at least |
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| 18:04:08 | Nico_P | so no major objections before I get in too deep with the current idea ? |
| 18:05:01 | pondlife | Not here. You can work on the basics before adding a non-wrappable/contiguous flag though... |
| 18:05:09 | pondlife | Just keep the code well commented |
| 18:05:16 | Nico_P | that's the plan |
| 18:05:25 | Nico_P | I'll try :) |
| 18:05:31 | pondlife | This is fraught with complications, as you now know! |
| 18:06:12 | amiconn | Ah, yes, disappearing files should be handled too |
| 18:06:25 | pondlife | Disappearing? Like deleted? |
| 18:07:19 | Nico_P | pondlife: yes |
| 18:07:34 | Nico_P | there is already at least partial support for that case |
| 18:07:36 | linuxstb | Nico_P: What's the "ringbuffer within a ringbuffer" concept I've heard mentioned? |
| 18:08:06 | Nico_P | it's the fact that a long file's data buffer will actually be a ring buffer |
| 18:08:30 | Nico_P | which is itself stored in the main ring buffer |
| 18:09:00 | linuxstb | OK, so nothing different to what happens now? |
| 18:09:15 | Nico_P | not sure... |
| 18:09:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: It's to keep the on-buffer metadata from being overwritten. |
| 18:09:58 | amiconn | Yes, and for that it even needs to be a split ring.... |
| 18:10:04 | linuxstb | But didn't we just discuss long files - they're split into two parts in the buffer... |
| 18:10:18 | Nico_P | linuxstb: actually they're not split |
| 18:10:39 | linuxstb | So what did "FILEPART2|meta|FILEPART3|guard" represent? |
| 18:10:50 | * | pondlife is confused too |
| 18:10:53 | Nico_P | well the buffer is split because it might wrap around the end of the main buffer |
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| 18:12:01 | Nico_P | in that case FILEPART3 is FILEPART2 continued over the end of the inner buffer |
| 18:12:14 | linuxstb | "inner buffer" ? |
| 18:12:34 | Nico_P | ie the handle's invidual buffer |
| 18:14:04 | Nico_P | you need to imagine a regular ring buffer with data that wraps, and put it in a ringbuffer, wrapping around the end |
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| 18:27:08 | Nico_P | linuxstb: hopefully this will help: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/rockbox/ringbuffer_in_ringbuffer.png |
| 18:27:25 | pondlife | Nico_P: You're not anywhere near London next Tuesday are you? :) |
| 18:27:28 | Nico_P | the main buffer is the line |
| 18:27:31 | Nico_P | pondlife: no :( |
| 18:27:45 | pondlife | Pity!! |
| 18:28:02 | Nico_P | pondlife: aslo I don't like beer :p |
| 18:28:17 | pondlife | beer's not compulsory, but me understanding playback is |
| 18:28:21 | Nico_P | hehe |
| 18:28:43 | Nico_P | well going on with my example picture, the file starts white and ends black |
| 18:28:55 | pondlife | Ah, I see |
| 18:29:15 | pondlife | OK, what happens when you have 30 small tracks buffered (each with metadata) and then a very big track comes along? |
| 18:29:33 | Nico_P | well imagine the 30 tracks are in the empty space |
| 18:29:38 | Nico_P | and you have it |
| 18:29:59 | pondlife | Aha, so no fragmentation. |
| 18:30:06 | Nico_P | hopefully not |
| 18:30:27 | Nico_P | there will be holes when tracks are closed, but that should be all |
| 18:30:27 | pondlife | Great, now let's get that plugin in place and we can test |
| 18:30:39 | pondlife | Maybe you'd like to put that graphic into a wiki too? |
| 18:30:39 | Nico_P | the plugin already kinda works |
| 18:30:59 | Nico_P | I'll probably improve it a bit with legends but yeah, good idea |
| 18:31:02 | pondlife | So I hear, is JdGordon's SVN up to date? |
| 18:31:07 | Nico_P | yes |
| 18:31:13 | * | pondlife has been away, so not tried it yet. |
| 18:31:24 | pondlife | Maybe tonight |
| 18:31:31 | Nico_P | but currently there's only one file on the buffer at a time |
| 18:31:45 | Nico_P | but a long one works fine |
| 18:33:32 | pondlife | So get that one playing back , then start to peek the current playlist... |
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| 18:51:43 | Nico_P | pondlife: how'd you like this ? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MetadataOnBuffer |
| 18:53:23 | pondlife | Pretty good! Is the description of reading/writing position correct though. |
| 18:53:54 | pondlife | It almost looks like the writing position might move backward (from black towards grey) the way you've worded it... |
| 18:54:27 | Nico_P | no, both move forward |
| 18:54:27 | Nico_P | and reading is always "behind" writing |
| 18:54:34 | pondlife | I know that, but it's not totally clear to the playback n00b. ;) |
| 18:54:42 | Nico_P | there, writing has caught up with reading, which is why the buffer is full |
| 18:55:31 | pondlife | Maybe try and avoid the terminology of read/write positions here, the problem is that "read position" is an unbuffering/playback concept, not a buffering one. |
| 18:55:39 | pondlife | (At least it is in my head!) |
| 18:55:47 | Nico_P | yes, true |
| 18:56:25 | Nico_P | but in this case the file has been read already, otherwise the start of the file would be at the start of the buffer |
| 18:56:30 | Nico_P | and there would be no wrap |
| 18:56:53 | pondlife | OK |
| 18:57:06 | pondlife | So we now have RBRBIRB - aka RockboxRingBufferInRingBuffer |
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| 18:57:14 | Nico_P | hehe :) |
| 18:57:54 | pondlife | It's good to document :) or so they keep telling me at work.. |
| 18:58:25 | Nico_P | indeed |
| 18:58:26 | pixelma | linuxstb: you've asked about the sandisk m200 firmware files earlier? |
| 18:58:37 | Nico_P | I added a bit more, what do you think ? |
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| 18:59:27 | pondlife | Ah, now I understand. |
| 18:59:39 | pondlife | Yep, better. |
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| 19:00:08 | Nico_P | still not very n00b-friendly I imagine, but I think it'll be enough for now |
| 19:00:11 | pondlife | You might also want to update the BufferingAPIProposal page to match your API (assuming it must have changed a little). |
| 19:00:18 | Nico_P | true |
| 19:00:48 | pondlife | Hopefully we can drop the proposal and it'll be available to video etc. one day. |
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| 19:03:51 | GodEater | Someone's going to have to explain that to me in small words come next Tuesday, because I think I'm just not getting it |
| 19:04:19 | pondlife | GodEater: It'll be easier after that beer I keep going on about. |
| 19:04:20 | GodEater | and since Nico won't be there, I choose you Pondlife!! |
| 19:04:51 | pondlife | Hmm I thought this was meant to be fun! |
| 19:04:55 | GodEater | hahaha |
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| 19:05:48 | GodEater | I can only imagine that after a few beers it'll turn into a "Ford Prefect explains time and space to Arthur Dent" sort of explanation |
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| 19:05:58 | pondlife | I'd also rather hope to discuss it with linuxstb; he has lots more experience at RB hacking than I do. |
| 19:05:58 | GodEater | i.e. have nothing whatsoever to do with the subject at hand |
| 19:06:04 | pondlife | haha |
| 19:06:31 | GodEater | linuxstb managed to remain mostly silent on the subject of RB hacking last time |
| 19:06:45 | GodEater | and we mainly ended up laughing at forum posts |
| 19:06:50 | pondlife | There's been a nagging doubt at the back of my head that says "It'll never work" ever since I put the buffering API proposal on the wiki... |
| 19:07:14 | GodEater | is this a "I'll keep my coat to hand" sort of nagging doubt ? |
| 19:07:22 | pondlife | Yes. But looks like Nico_P (and JdGordon) are proving me wrong... |
| 19:07:30 | GodEater | excellent |
| 19:08:15 | pondlife | Anyway, got to go now... |
| 19:08:19 | GodEater | bye bye |
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| 19:09:18 | Nico_P | oh missed him |
| 19:09:26 | Nico_P | GodEater: seen the wiki page ? |
| 19:09:38 | GodEater | yes - it's not helping - but I've had a long day |
| 19:09:47 | GodEater | and may just be feeling particularly stupid right now |
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| 19:14:57 | Nico_P | :) |
| 19:15:26 | amiconn | Nico_P: As you asked earlier (iirc) - hwcodec doesn't need any inherent guard buffer, but maybe we want one for mp3 (also on swcodec), for framewalking |
| 19:15:29 | Nico_P | if there's something in particular that you don't get I can try giving more details |
| 19:16:02 | GodEater | Nico_P: no - I'm convinced I'm just having a neural short circuit right now - I'll read it again in the morning and hopefully it'll make sense ;) |
| 19:16:17 | Nico_P | amiconn: could the current one do ? (there is a 32K one ) |
| 19:16:28 | amiconn | Sure |
| 19:16:49 | amiconn | In fact it could, and should, be smaller than that on low-mem targets |
| 19:16:51 | Nico_P | GodEater: ok :) |
| 19:17:29 | amiconn | It just needs to be large enough to fit one worst-case sized mp3 frame |
| 19:17:40 | Nico_P | isn't that 32K ? |
| 19:18:02 | amiconn | nah, far less |
| 19:18:07 | Nico_P | ok :) |
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| 19:18:31 | Nico_P | are there big differences between HWCODEC and SWCODEC I should be aware of ? |
| 19:18:48 | Nico_P | I know almost nothing about the HWCODEC playback code |
| 19:18:54 | amiconn | mp3 frames are either 1152 samples (version 1, 48/44/32 kHz) or 576 samples (version 2 and 2.5, 24/22/16/12/11/8 kHz) |
| 19:19:16 | amiconn | So the worst case mp3 frame would be 160kbps 8kHz |
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| 19:19:57 | amiconn | 1440 bytes |
| 19:20:31 | amiconn | The biggest issue with hwcodec which isn't an actual hwcodec issue but rather an SH1 issue is the bitswap |
| 19:22:13 | amiconn | We have 2 options, either have a separate buffer (the equivalent of the pcm buffer on swcodec) where our "codec" (a bitswap-copy) copies data into from the main buffer, or do the swap on buffer |
| 19:23:07 | Nico_P | I think the buffering could handle the bitswapping |
| 19:23:13 | amiconn | (1) has the advantage that the main playback engine would be the same for hwcodec and swcodec, and that the "codec" could in fact be a real codec, doing some simple things like decoding adpcm |
| 19:24:31 | amiconn | But it needs additional memory for the buffer, and depending on the "codec" latency this might cut away a substantial amount from the main buffer |
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| 19:24:58 | amiconn | (2) wouldn't need additional memory and/or fiddling with low latency, but it's less flexible (no adpcm decoding or similar) |
| 19:25:47 | amiconn | (1) wouldn't be much of an issue with mp2/mp3, but when we switch playback engines, I also want to integrate pcm playback, and then it might become an issue |
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| 19:26:32 | Nico_P | what's adpcm decoding ? |
| 19:26:59 | amiconn | Ah, that reminds me - for hwcodec, the buffering needs to remember the type of data on the buffer, distinguishing mp2/mp3, pcm litte endian, and pcm big endian |
| 19:27:25 | amiconn | ...and pcm 8 bit. For pcm, it also needs to distinguish mono and stereo |
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| 19:27:58 | amiconn | adpcm is a simple pcm compression scheme. Saving bits by non-linear quantisation |
| 19:28:06 | Nico_P | OK... that will go in the struct memory handle with an ifdef HWCODEC |
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| 19:28:33 | amiconn | The swcodec wav.codec can handles several of those schemes |
| 19:29:11 | amiconn | For swcodec, the buffering also needs to store which codec needs to be used, so it's not too different imo |
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| 19:36:56 | Nico_P | I'll keep all that in mind |
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| 19:40:27 | Kasperle | oh, sorry, wrong chan |
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| 20:43:38 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: You mentioned that I mentioned the M200 firmware files? |
| 20:44:38 | pixelma | yes, I wasn't sure... just wanted to mention that the wiki page only looked like a collection of pastes from different forums to me (with additional scans). The MaxKelley part is from the rockbox new ports forum.... maybe you can contact the member and ask for the files again? |
| 20:45:14 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I discovered that. However, I found the firmware update .exe on sandisk's website, and managed to extract the files myself. |
| 20:46:08 | pixelma | ah, ok |
| 20:46:25 | linuxstb_ | A lot of the players using Telechips CPUs seem to share a common firmware format, and I'm starting to build up a collection of them. I should probably start something like Bagder's MI4 page he used to collect MI4 firmwares. |
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| 20:47:30 | linuxstb_ | (the M200 firmwares I found are all in this format as well) |
| 20:47:57 | linuxstb_ | I'm guessing they're all TCC77x devices. |
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| 20:49:12 | pixelma | sounds interesting - hope it'll help if you could combine efforts or share knowledge or so |
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| 20:52:54 | * | linuxstb_ wonders if that should be done on the wiki, or hosted somewhere else like Bagder's MI4 page... |
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| 21:11:24 | GodEater | given the number of "New Ports" requests I've seen in the forums recently, I'm given to wonder if there are any DAP manufacturers out there that manage to make a firmware their users like |
| 21:12:10 | GodEater | or whether it's just a knee jerk reaction that the kids have to look "cool". |
| 21:12:43 | GodEater | "the stock firmware was made by a big corporation, it must suck, otherwise why would rockbox exist?" |
| 21:13:05 | * | GodEater continues wittering away to himself |
| 21:13:26 | Kasperle | at least my DAPs firmware _really_ sucks :D |
| 21:13:28 | tumu | it's a question of money and licensing |
| 21:14:09 | Kasperle | but i got it for free, and rockbox fixes the firmware part :) |
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| 21:15:50 | Llorean | GodEater: So far I haven't used a stock firmware I've really liked |
| 21:16:18 | GodEater | Llorean: neither have I - this is what makes me wonder |
| 21:16:37 | GodEater | although to be fair I never even *tried* the gigabeat's |
| 21:17:21 | Llorean | But I tend to think it's more economics than anything. Maybe I'm cynical, but were I designing these MP3 players, I might just say "Let's give them the bare minimum they'll pay this price for." |
| 21:17:31 | Llorean | "That way we can offer 'upgrades' later and charge them again." |
| 21:18:03 | GodEater | Llorean: you're probably close to the truth sadly |
| 21:18:21 | Llorean | I mean Archos charges for additional codecs, don't they? |
| 21:18:39 | GodEater | do they really ? |
| 21:18:41 | GodEater | good lord |
| 21:19:15 | * | GodEater joins in on Llorean's "List of things you're doing wrong" theme |
| 21:19:44 | Kasperle | at least apple's motivation is clear ;) |
| 21:20:05 | Kasperle | they want to restrict their users' freedom to sell more music through itunes |
| 21:20:48 | Llorean | GodEater: Well, he did ask. :) |
| 21:21:04 | GodEater | Llorean: and then he asked again :) |
| 21:21:42 | GodEater | I'm really not following the logic of the "this thread is dead" people either. It's not like we locked it. |
| 21:22:00 | Llorean | I think part of the problem is that people don't really that it's essentially a choice: Enforce all the rules, or none. |
| 21:22:12 | Llorean | If you only enforce some some of the time, it gives people room to call favoritism. |
| 21:22:18 | GodEater | indeed |
| 21:22:26 | Llorean | I really don't mind if someone suggests the rules need to be changed. |
| 21:22:37 | GodEater | I like them the way they are |
| 21:22:40 | Llorean | But I do mind if they say they shouldn't be enforced. |
| 21:22:53 | Llorean | Really, I think he should just open a new thread formatted the way I suggested about halfway through |
| 21:23:03 | Llorean | It solves the "this thread is dead" problem, and brings about what he wants too. |
| 21:23:07 | GodEater | he seemed to own a very short fuse |
| 21:23:15 | GodEater | I don't think he could be reasoned with much |
| 21:23:19 | GodEater | you didn't even slap him that hard |
| 21:23:31 | Llorean | Well, he was sent a PM |
| 21:23:37 | GodEater | ah |
| 21:23:44 | * | GodEater was not aware of this |
| 21:23:45 | Llorean | But all it said was "Your most recent post has been deleted. As per our forum guidelines, don't cross-post." |
| 21:23:58 | Llorean | I'm paraphrasing, but that is essentially the tone. |
| 21:24:09 | GodEater | ah well - I still think that was fairly tame |
| 21:24:14 | GodEater | he just seemed to go a bit mental |
| 21:24:15 | Llorean | Yeah |
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| 21:24:52 | GodEater | I don't really buy his "I've veen following this project for four years" statement either |
| 21:25:04 | GodEater | 4 years and not a single post to the forums is pretty incredible |
| 21:25:45 | GodEater | thanks for the badge upgrade by the way. I'm not sure if it's a curse or a blessing yet :) |
| 21:26:35 | Llorean | His oldest post is from '05 |
| 21:26:42 | Llorean | Nov 27 |
| 21:26:50 | Llorean | So he's got at least a year and a half |
| 21:26:59 | Llorean | More than enough time to know that the forums have restrictions |
| 21:27:00 | GodEater | I stand corrected then - I really thought he'd just waded in |
| 21:27:14 | Llorean | It certainly seemed like it. |
| 21:27:32 | Llorean | I mean, is it just me, or did his statement regarding an EQ really sound like he didn't know we have one? |
| 21:27:56 | GodEater | it gave that impression yes |
| 21:28:46 | Llorean | Alright, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't just me. |
| 21:28:51 | GodEater | nope |
| 21:29:06 | Llorean | I tend to read things very, very, very literally often, so sometimes I do get a bit retentive as it were. |
| 21:29:35 | GodEater | I'm tempted to follow you up with a ""Joe Public" hasn't read the rules in that case" post - but I think the newbie is just trolling |
| 21:31:51 | GodEater | AGGIN sure is racking up the forum rules violations :) |
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| 21:33:46 | Llorean | I'm thinking I may add more "Common Terms" to the guidelines. |
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| 21:34:35 | GodEater | also - you said "patched build" first time, and then "unsupported build" second time. Be consistent :) |
| 21:34:43 | Llorean | GodEater: Check my post again. ;) |
| 21:34:52 | GodEater | hehe ok |
| 21:35:53 | Llorean | But I was thinking of adding a few more common terms used around our forums. Clear up that "Patched" and "Unsupported" builds are the same thing (from a general standpoint) and what the Root of a device is. |
| 21:36:08 | Llorean | Since there's already some term clarification in the Guidelines, a little more won't hurt. |
| 21:36:44 | GodEater | Did LamdaCalculus copy your post before you editted it ? :) |
| 21:36:59 | Llorean | I meant my most recent post |
| 21:38:06 | GodEater | ah |
| 21:38:11 | GodEater | I must need glasses |
| 21:38:15 | GodEater | or possibly just more sleep |
| 21:38:17 | Llorean | Nah |
| 21:38:20 | Llorean | It didn't say that originally |
| 21:38:30 | Llorean | But immediately after posting it, I realized and corrected it |
| 21:38:46 | Llorean | There's a grace period, I'm not sure how long, where if you edit your post almost immediately after it doesn't show as edited. |
| 21:38:53 | GodEater | neat |
| 21:39:05 | Llorean | It's for fixing those typos and silly mistakes. :) |
| 21:39:09 | GodEater | btw - I meant to ask - do ALL deleted posts end up in the trash ? |
| 21:39:13 | Llorean | Nope |
| 21:39:18 | Llorean | If you use the actual delete function, they don't |
| 21:39:20 | GodEater | so ones you delete yourself don't |
| 21:39:23 | Llorean | But I don't think Experts have that. |
| 21:39:42 | GodEater | only on our own posts :) |
| 21:39:44 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 21:40:07 | Llorean | I can delete anyone's permanently, but it's not a power I granted on experts, because I'm stingy like that. |
| 21:40:18 | GodEater | so demonstrations of crass stupidity can be trimmed with a bit of after thought :) |
| 21:40:29 | * | GodEater isn't fussed :) |
| 21:40:49 | Llorean | Well, I also like to think it heads off accidents. |
| 21:40:54 | Llorean | Only I can stupidly delete an important thread. |
| 21:40:58 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 21:41:01 | GodEater | very true |
| 21:41:21 | GodEater | I was wondering today if there's a feature similar to slashdot's "karma" for SMF |
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| 21:41:57 | GodEater | at the moment the way one identifies someone with clue on our forums is very black and white |
| 21:42:33 | GodEater | I thought it would be nice if "good" answers to threads could be rewarded somehow |
| 21:42:37 | Febs | Llorean: I can also stupidly delete an important thread. |
| 21:43:04 | * | GodEater waits for a demonstration :) |
| 21:43:11 | Llorean | Febs: Well yes, a blue name gives you almost the same ability to screw up as a red name. |
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| 21:43:24 | Llorean | I think the only thing I have that you don't is the ability to accidentally break the forums entirely |
| 21:43:47 | Llorean | GodEater: The forums have a "Karma" system, but I've so far avoided enabling it. |
| 21:43:58 | GodEater | you don't like the idea ? |
| 21:44:26 | GodEater | or just the implementation ? |
| 21:45:06 | dan_a | Karma + idiots is a bad mix |
| 21:45:46 | GodEater | dan_a: it depends how the karma is awarded / earned |
| 21:46:44 | dan_a | We have a karma system of sorts, though... |
| 21:47:18 | dan_a | (aka Rockbox Experts) |
| 21:49:01 | Llorean | pixelma: He'd already posted elsewhere, where I told him that subject wasn't appropriate. |
| 21:49:19 | Llorean | GodEater: AFAIK, once per day, people can add or subtract a point from someone else |
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| 21:50:13 | GodEater | Llorean: I'd restrict the ability to award that point to Experts and above though |
| 21:50:18 | GodEater | not just random forum users |
| 21:50:59 | Llorean | I'm just not sure about it. |
| 21:51:09 | Llorean | I'm not sure it's appropriate for an actual technical forum. But I'll think on it. |
| 21:51:25 | pixelma | Llorean: I know (in the installation forums) - the one he chose afterwards isn't much better though but the main thing I wanted to make clear is the why |
| 21:51:49 | Llorean | Ah, gotcha |
| 21:52:01 | Llorean | I think our guidelines explain the why. I tried to explain the why for most of our rules in them. |
| 21:52:10 | Llorean | It'd be really nifty if people would read 'em, though. |
| 21:52:27 | GodEater | bbiab -X session has gone peculiar |
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| 21:55:15 | Febs | When I see a thread title like "NOOB NEED HELP," I can't help but picture the person who started the thread as a caveman. |
| 21:55:45 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 21:56:09 | Llorean | I do have a rather unsavory picture of those who call themselves a noob. |
| 21:56:12 | Llorean | Somehow those never really go well |
| 21:56:47 | pixelma | it was also a response to his "can you help", and trying some harmony... ;) |
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| 22:14:33 | * | GodEater 's build server is misbehaving |
| 22:15:17 | linuxstb_ | Bagder's normally good at kicking build servers... |
| 22:15:43 | GodEater | he'll have to kick mine really hard - I've turned it off |
| 22:15:47 | GodEater | think it's overheating |
| 22:16:00 | * | Bagder puts on his big boots |
| 22:16:12 | * | dan_a sends ice cubes |
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| 22:27:42 | dan_a | Bagder: I think we may need to change the standard Rockbox source file header |
| 22:29:02 | dan_a | At the moment we don't specify which version of the GPL we are distributing under, which means that people can choose any version ever published |
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| 22:29:23 | Bagder | well, it refers to COPYING in the source tree, which is v2 |
| 22:29:31 | Bagder | but we should probably make it more explicit |
| 22:29:56 | scorche | Bagder: ptw419 sent you another mail, i believe..did it end up int he spam category? |
| 22:30:10 | fm2 | Hello. Has the feature request http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7445 been noticed? Has such a feature been discussed before? |
| 22:30:29 | dan_a | The COPYING file is V2, but the program isn't |
| 22:31:07 | Bagder | scorche: I don't see any mail |
| 22:31:13 | Llorean | fm2: If you want to launch a folder from the root, why not put the folder in the root? |
| 22:31:17 | Bagder | he's not using hotmail or similar? |
| 22:31:29 | scorche | do you have another address that he can send it to other than danielATrockbox? |
| 22:31:30 | Bagder | hotmail hates us |
| 22:31:37 | scorche | i have no clue what he is using |
| 22:31:40 | Bagder | at haxx.se works too |
| 22:32:04 | Bagder | dan_a: ? |
| 22:32:19 | Zagor | dan_a: each file doesn't have to contain all license details. referring to COPYING is fine. |
| 22:32:37 | Bagder | scorche: what's ptw419's name again? |
| 22:33:06 | scorche | Bagder: i dont know, but you should have it from Zagor giving him access tot he gigabeat branch |
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| 22:33:17 | dan_a | Bagder, Zagor: It's the COPYING file which says that if the Program doesn't explicitly state a version, then the end user can choose which version they use (section 9) |
| 22:33:31 | Bagder | aha |
| 22:33:34 | toffe82 | Bagder: espinoza |
| 22:33:40 | fm2 | Llorean: I wouldn't like to change the folder structure. I would like to be able to jump to those folders from everywhere. |
| 22:33:57 | Zagor | dan_a: the program says v2, by referring to COPYING |
| 22:34:03 | toffe82 | Bagder: James |
| 22:34:11 | Llorean | fm2: That doesn't make sense. |
| 22:34:14 | Bagder | then I got the mail... |
| 22:34:20 | Llorean | There has to be a location that you access them from. The location where you put your bookmarks. |
| 22:34:26 | Llorean | If there is, why not simply put the folders themselves there. |
| 22:34:28 | GodEater | Llorean: fm2 means kind of like a windows shortcut |
| 22:34:46 | Llorean | GodEater: I understand, but I don't understand why it makes sense as a Rockbox feature. |
| 22:34:56 | Buschel | hi there, has anybody measured or does know what is the power consumption of an iPOD running with 30MHz against 78MHz? I found some assumption talking about ~13mA as the difference |
| 22:35:00 | GodEater | depends how deep your file tree is |
| 22:35:01 | Zagor | dan_a: it really can't work any other way or you'd need to copy the full license into each header |
| 22:35:19 | Llorean | GodEater: As I said though, if you're going to be creating shortcuts in your root, why not simply put the folders those shortcuts are to? |
| 22:35:27 | Bagder | Zagor: the header could state it is v2 only, the linux kernel way |
| 22:35:28 | Llorean | Or even simply use the database |
| 22:35:51 | Zagor | Bagder: yes it could, but I can't see that it has to |
| 22:35:56 | scorche | Bagder: also, i assume you would want the themes code in www/themes ? |
| 22:35:59 | markun | fm2: at least it's being discussed now :) |
| 22:36:43 | Bagder | Zagor: no, but as it is now we allow "any later version" |
| 22:36:47 | fm2 | GodEater: no, I don't mean windows shortcuts (or UNIX links). I mean a sort of bookmarks that point to a folder rather than to a certain point in a song |
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| 22:37:03 | Llorean | fm2: Then why can't you put the folder there? |
| 22:37:04 | GodEater | fm2: windows shortcuts allow you to do exactly that |
| 22:37:14 | dan_a | Zagor: the COPYING file is the text of the GPL version 2 - and in that text it says that unless we have explicity limited the versions, then the recipient can pick any later (or earlier) version of the GPL |
| 22:37:18 | GodEater | I use that feature of windows on a daily basis |
| 22:37:33 | fm2 | Llorean: where? |
| 22:37:38 | Llorean | Wherever the bookmark is. |
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| 22:37:45 | Zagor | dan_a: you're right, my bad |
| 22:37:50 | Llorean | Or are you planning on having say, seven bookmarks to one folder scattered in random places? |
| 22:37:51 | fm2 | GodEater: I must have missed this feature :-/ |
| 22:38:16 | Bagder | aha a yahoo address, very easily triggered as spam in my end... |
| 22:38:32 | * | Zagor adds ptw419 to James' wiki page |
| 22:39:02 | scorche | Bagder: so i dont need to tell him to re-send it? |
| 22:39:13 | Bagder | nope, I found it (at last) |
| 22:39:22 | scorche | good =) |
| 22:39:28 | Nimdae | ar |
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| 22:39:46 | Nimdae | bagder, i'll be taking kermit offline at the end of the month |
| 22:39:54 | fm2 | Llorean: say, I'm listening to The Beatles and want to listen to ZZ Top. But now I'm in the Beatles folder. So I'd just defined a "bookmark" to the ZZ Top folder. |
| 22:40:15 | Bagder | Nimdae: that's no problem, the master adjusts to hosts simply "missing" |
| 22:40:20 | GodEater | I'm kind of failing to see the point here too |
| 22:40:20 | Llorean | fm2: So you'd have bookmark file in the Beatles folder for the ZZ Top folder? |
| 22:40:25 | Nimdae | ok |
| 22:40:30 | Llorean | Or would you browse to the bookmarks folder? |
| 22:41:05 | Llorean | I mean, can't you simply do that with favorite playlists anyway, for playback? |
| 22:41:07 | scorche | Nimdae: mahna mahna |
| 22:41:16 | Nimdae | something like that |
| 22:41:18 | fm2 | Llorean: no, I'd have only one "global" bookmark file (the same as it is for normal bookmarks if I understand it correctly). |
| 22:41:31 | Llorean | fm2: Normal bookmarks have individual files scattered about. |
| 22:42:00 | Llorean | As well, if you want to put all the "Folder Bookmarks" in one folder for easy access... wouldn't it be identical to putting all the folders in one folder for easy access? |
| 22:42:18 | linuxstb_ | fm2: Sounds like a directory full of the equivalent to Windows shortcuts to me. |
| 22:42:33 | fm2 | Llorean: oh! I didn't know that. How are "recent bookmarks" implemented? There must be a global file. This is what I mean. |
| 22:43:23 | Llorean | fm2: It doesn't really change that you'd still have the equivalent of a folder full of folders, the same as simply reorganizing your collection or creating a custom set of database queries. |
| 22:43:28 | Lear | Recent bookmarks is via a global file, yes. |
| 22:44:35 | Bagder | to me, having the gigabeat-s port use 4.1.x is not a big problem |
| 22:44:40 | fm2 | Llorean: so if I'm listening to a song and choose "Create bookmark" in the menu, the bookmark file is created in this folder? The bookmark isn't stored in some global file? |
| 22:45:13 | Nimdae | there is a gigabeat s port? |
| 22:45:18 | Llorean | fm2: How is a list of files any different from a list of entries on one file? |
| 22:45:21 | Lear | fm2: Depends on your settings. |
| 22:45:57 | scorche | Bagder: just seems like extra effort with the various methods of getting the cross compilers and such |
| 22:46:17 | Bagder | yes sure, the best is if we can use a common version but still |
| 22:46:22 | Llorean | scorche: As long as rockboxdevel.sh works for adding it (or will work), I don't really think it's a big problem |
| 22:46:22 | fm2 | Lear: what setting is important for this? |
| 22:46:39 | scorche | Llorean: rockboxdev...i thought you got past that stage? =P |
| 22:46:41 | Bagder | exactly, we just have to make sure the 4.1.x version get differently named tools |
| 22:46:50 | Llorean | scorche: I think I'll never get past that stage. The fever doesn't help. :-P |
| 22:47:06 | fm2 | Llorean: that last question I couldn't understand. What entries? |
| 22:47:16 | toffe82 | Nimdae: yes it started a while ago but make big progress during the last weeks |
| 22:47:18 | Lear | fm2: General Settings -> Bookmarking -> Maintain a list of recent bookmarks. |
| 22:48:03 | Llorean | fm2: for example, what's the difference between viewing a playlist of certain songs (one file, multiple entries) and viewing a folder of those songs (multiple files)? |
| 22:48:04 | Lear | But the "local" bookmark file is always created. The global file is optional. |
| 22:49:13 | fm2 | Llorean: well, for me as the user, there is no difference. It's a list of songs. |
| 22:49:17 | Llorean | Yes |
| 22:50:24 | Llorean | So, what's the difference between a list of your favorite folders, and a folder containing your favorite folders? |
| 22:51:05 | fm2 | Lear: ok, I probably didn't describe it clearly. What I want is a global list of folders to quickly jump to. This list may also contain "normal" bookmarks that point to a song. We'd essentially have two sorts of bookmarks: those that point to a song and those that point to a folder |
| 22:51:05 | GodEater | I would imagine the speed of changing your tastes is the difference |
| 22:51:27 | GodEater | moving an entire folder is going to take longer |
| 22:51:38 | Llorean | Cutting and pasting a folder shouldn't take very long at all, I thought |
| 22:51:38 | GodEater | than creating / deleting a shortcut to it ? |
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| 22:52:05 | fm2 | Llorean: the difference is that if I'm in a deeply nested folder I'd have to first go up to get to that "favorite" folder |
| 22:52:16 | Nimdae | does rockbox support any other filesystems than fat? |
| 22:52:21 | dan_a | Could a Sansa owner try http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7438 for me? It doesn't seem to mess up my Sansa's display, and I need confirmation that I've done something stupid |
| 22:52:21 | scorche | Nimdae: no |
| 22:52:23 | Llorean | fm2: How long does it take to get to the root folder when you hold left? |
| 22:52:36 | Llorean | How long does it take for you to press the several buttons it takes to get to the bookmark menu? |
| 22:53:00 | GodEater | Nimdae: support for more that FAT is on the NODO list |
| 22:54:06 | fm2 | Llorean: hmm... yes, you're right in this point. But then I would have to change the lib structure which I don't quite like. |
| 22:54:23 | DefineByte | anyone know what's holding up the LCD brightness patch for iPods from being commited? |
| 22:54:35 | Llorean | DefineByte: Doesn't work in several plugins, at the least, I thought |
| 22:55:02 | DefineByte | that's true. you need to put it on full for plugins to work |
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| 22:55:14 | linuxstb_ | DefineByte: Does using that patch to reduce brightness increase battery life? |
| 22:55:20 | fm2 | Llorean: this week I may listen to The Beatles very often, next month it will be something else. Should I move dirs every time? A bookmark seems a better solution to me. |
| 22:55:22 | Llorean | DefineByte: So, at least it needs some work. |
| 22:55:43 | Llorean | fm2: What makes a bookmark a better solution, exactly? One creates a whole file, the other I believe simply changes an entry in the fat. |
| 22:56:03 | DefineByte | some people have said it does but i haven't tested it |
| 22:56:14 | DefineByte | i just use it to stop me from going blind |
| 22:56:53 | fm2 | Llorean: the lib structure doesn't change. So I'll have no problems with synchronising my music library (for example). |
| 22:57:30 | petur | Llorean: if you want to see a karma system at work, have a peek at www.taperssection.com - it's about as technical as our forum. I do not see any added value in it though |
| 22:57:35 | DefineByte | someone seems to think the hardware registers for brightness had been found but since that post...nothing |
| 22:58:26 | Llorean | petur: That's what I thought. I just worry it's going to create additional ill will, as lower karma users have a hard time putting their initial problems behind them. |
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| 22:58:53 | petur | I wouldn't bother with it |
| 22:59:03 | Llorean | I'll leave it off for now then. |
| 22:59:05 | petur | we already have badges |
| 22:59:20 | scorche | i wouldnt worry with it either |
| 22:59:32 | petur | on taperssection, it helps to put a value on the info you get... |
| 22:59:43 | Nimdae | ah ok, was just curious |
| 22:59:53 | scorche | any system like that depends more on popularity anyway |
| 22:59:57 | petur | if you get a tip from a negative karma guy, beware ;) |
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| 23:00:15 | Llorean | scorche: I should enable it for a week and see if mine ends up positive or negative then. :-P |
| 23:00:15 | DefineByte | i'm trying to work out the wps freeze on ipod 5/5.5g but it's pretty tough going |
| 23:00:39 | scorche | Llorean: i would be sure to downrank you |
| 23:01:10 | scorche | petur: only 93 tickets?...what gives? =P |
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| 23:01:11 | GodEater | that's why I suggested only experts / devs / admins being able to award karma |
| 23:01:19 | Llorean | scorche: I could just do a poll: "Do you think I'm doing a good job", and then (assuming it leans 'yes') point to that next time there's a "You guys are jerks" thread. |
| 23:01:27 | GodEater | but I guess if scorche is going to start of negging people ;) |
| 23:01:32 | petur | scorche: that is a lot compared to my post count |
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| 23:01:48 | bascule_forum | I'm on VMware, trying to compile a sim, following the Wiki instructions. make is OK, make install just fails to create the simulator files. ideas? |
| 23:02:23 | scorche | bascule_forum: how nice of you to finally join us here =) |
| 23:02:31 | GodEater | weren't we only saying today we wish bascule would join us ? |
| 23:02:32 | GodEater | :) |
| 23:02:37 | scorche | yes, we were |
| 23:02:48 | linuxstb_ | bascule_forum: Does it give any error messages? It normally just works silently. |
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| 23:02:51 | bascule_forum | it doesn't happen often :) |
| 23:03:04 | GodEater | that would be why we said it |
| 23:03:11 | bascule_forum | it makes the archos dir, but it's empty |
| 23:03:31 | linuxstb_ | It should contain a hidden .rockbox directory. |
| 23:03:42 | GodEater | what a fantastic PM I just got! |
| 23:03:48 | Llorean | bascule_forum: Are you sure it's empty? Try cding into the .rockbox directory in it anyway |
| 23:03:49 | linuxstb_ | If you're in the terminal, type "ls -al archos" |
| 23:03:55 | bascule_forum | D'oh. and thatts dir -a? |
| 23:03:57 | GodEater | "hi, my ipod is always broken because of your stupid rockbox, help plxx" |
| 23:04:28 | DefineByte | format c:\ |
| 23:04:40 | DefineByte | assuming windows |
| 23:04:51 | petur | pfff |
| 23:04:53 | Llorean | I always wonder how they decide who get the pestering PMs. |
| 23:05:10 | scorche | Llorean: the prettiest color |
| 23:05:16 | Bagder | I never get any |
| 23:05:29 | Llorean | I get quite a few, but didn't get that one. |
| 23:05:32 | Bagder | so whatever I do, I do it right ;-) |
| 23:05:33 | bascule_forum | Ok, so .rockbox is there, but cd .rockbox gives 'no such file or dir' |
| 23:05:40 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:05:50 | GodEater | Bagder: I think you growl just right ;) |
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| 23:06:40 | scorche | Bagder: arent you hidden though? |
| 23:06:59 | bascule_forum | My bad - hadn't cd'd to archos |
| 23:07:05 | * | bascule_forum slaps forhead |
| 23:07:17 | scorche | forehead gets a lot of abuse here |
| 23:07:38 | GodEater | I don't believe I've seen "forhead" get it before though |
| 23:08:09 | | Quit ompaul ("have a nice time") |
| 23:08:09 | bascule_forum | I always panic in IRC - moves to fast for an old 'un |
| 23:08:36 | GodEater | we'll try to take it easy on you :) |
| 23:08:56 | bascule_forum | I'm in sim/archos/.rockbox, but I don't see how to execute the sim |
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| 23:09:18 | linuxstb_ | bascule_forum: Go back up two directories (cd ../..) and then type ./rockboxui |
| 23:09:33 | linuxstb_ | rockboxui is in the directory you typed "make" in. |
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| 23:10:44 | * | GodEater watches "Tarrant on TV" in fascinated horror.... |
| 23:10:48 | bascule_forum | Woo-hoo! |
| 23:11:25 | bascule_forum | I *really* want to move properly to Linux, but it does my head in... |
| 23:11:35 | GodEater | Lithuanian naked honey wrestling... |
| 23:11:51 | GodEater | bascule_forum: sorry to hear that :( |
| 23:11:54 | bascule_forum | at that's entertaining to watch :) |
| 23:12:10 | | Quit Bagder ("Rockbox TCP exception #04123 - connection reset and user kicked out") |
| 23:12:10 | GodEater | entertaining but hard to understand :) |
| 23:12:16 | | Quit Xerion (" ") |
| 23:12:36 | petur | hmmm how's the h1x0 RTC mod used atm? I don't see HAVE_RTC commented out in the h1x0 config file |
| 23:13:02 | bascule_forum | Ok, so things are good, sim is running. How easy it it to create a windows simulator zip? |
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| 23:15:19 | GodEater | erm |
| 23:15:25 | GodEater | not sure myself bascule - never done it |
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| 23:15:46 | bascule_forum | is rasher not around? |
| 23:15:53 | GodEater | rarely is these days |
| 23:15:54 | GodEater | :( |
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| 23:16:45 | DefineByte | back to the grind stone |
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| 23:16:55 | bascule_forum | Ok, well I know I can use the Linux version, and I can copy any files I need using the \\debian\user linkages |
| 23:17:02 | bascule_forum | thanks for all your help |
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| 23:17:10 | linuxstb_ | petur: I think it's an advanced option in tools/configure |
| 23:17:34 | bascule_forum | as you can see, I struggle with basic options... |
| 23:17:44 | GodEater | bascule_forum: all it takes is practise ;) |
| 23:18:31 | PaulJam | bascule_forum: have you seen this?: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator#Building_Windows_sim_in_Linux |
| 23:19:02 | GodEater | bascule_forum: we need you here more often to answer the tricky database questions we get :) |
| 23:19:18 | GodEater | most of us struggle to spell "tagnavi" |
| 23:20:45 | bascule_forum | ah, but you see, the database is *easy* ;) |
| 23:21:02 | GodEater | hands up if you agree with bascule ? :) |
| 23:21:25 | dan_a | Everything's easy to someone |
| 23:21:29 | * | GodEater notes the lack of raised hands |
| 23:22:12 | Llorean | I don't think the database is particularly hard, I just haven't relearned it since the addition of the second custom tagnavi file, and format strings etc. |
| 23:22:40 | bascule_forum | thanks for the Wiki link, it actually looks easier to keep working in VMware |
| 23:22:55 | bascule_forum | plus, it will give me more linux practice |
| 23:22:58 | linuxstb_ | There's a second tagnavi file? |
| 23:23:06 | * | linuxstb_ should pay attention in school |
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| 23:23:25 | * | GodEater rests his case |
| 23:23:38 | Llorean | linuxstb_: Yeah, the main one basically includes the custom in (in a C #include sense) so that your custom tagnavi doesn't get overwritten on updates. |
| 23:23:58 | * | linuxstb_ wonders what " if [ "$FESTIVAL" = "$FLITE" ] && [ "$FLITE" = "$ESPEAK" ]; then" is supposed to do in tools/configure... |
| 23:24:24 | GodEater | I assume '=' in bash is a comparison then |
| 23:24:35 | GodEater | rather than an assignment |
| 23:24:39 | linuxstb_ | It just seems an odd check... |
| 23:24:54 | GodEater | now you mention it |
| 23:24:59 | linuxstb_ | I mean Festival isn't Flite, and Flite isn't espeak... |
| 23:25:00 | GodEater | it does seem a little strange |
| 23:25:08 | Llorean | linuxstb_ Can you do A=B=C in Bash? |
| 23:25:46 | linuxstb_ | I don't think so. But yes, that's the equivalent. |
| 23:26:19 | GodEater | it doesn't look like it makes much sense, but I assume the three variables COULD contain the same thing |
| 23:26:25 | GodEater | though why they would is beyond me |
| 23:26:27 | Llorean | Or they could be essentially boolean? |
| 23:26:34 | Llorean | Just checking for the presence of all three? |
| 23:27:02 | GodEater | wouldn't you do that with two && and no = |
| 23:27:13 | Llorean | Or does maybe Festival have a wrapper for the rest of them? |
| 23:27:22 | GodEater | don't think so |
| 23:27:27 | GodEater | it's a seperate binary AFAIK |
| 23:27:34 | linuxstb_ | It seems they are only all the same if they are all null - meaning the user doesn't have any of them installed. |
| 23:27:55 | Llorean | Aaaah |
| 23:29:13 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: (5 minutes late), yes = is both comparison and assignment. |
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| 23:30:09 | * | bascule_forum is still struggling... |
| 23:30:09 | GodEater | and on that note - it's past my bedtime |
| 23:30:10 | GodEater | later all |
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| 23:30:27 | bascule_forum | why do i have to do ./rockboxui and not just 'rockboxui'? |
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| 23:31:15 | linuxstb_ | Because in Unix, the default is normally for the current directory not be in your PATH - meaning it isn't searched for programs. |
| 23:31:32 | linuxstb_ | In DOS, the current directory is implicitly in your PATH (IIUC) |
| 23:32:12 | bascule_forum | yes, well, of course i know more Win cmd stuff than linux and just typing the executable name seems so simple |
| 23:32:45 | linuxstb_ | If you want, you can add "." to your $PATH variable, then just typing "rockboxui" will work. |
| 23:32:46 | bascule_forum | what pupose does it serve for the current dir to NOt be in the path? i don't get it |
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| 23:33:11 | Battousai | well |
| 23:33:19 | Battousai | suppose you have /bin/passwd |
| 23:33:39 | Battousai | and then you run some unknown configure script for some reason |
| 23:33:54 | Battousai | and it may have been tampered with somehow |
| 23:34:01 | Battousai | then you feel like changing your password for some reason |
| 23:34:15 | Battousai | if said script placed a passwd in PWD |
| 23:34:23 | Battousai | then you're not running /bin/passwd anymore are you? |
| 23:34:49 | Llorean | It's basically simply more explicit. |
| 23:34:55 | Battousai | of course you'd like /bin higher in the pecking order than PWD |
| 23:35:04 | Llorean | Programs only run if they're in your path, which you get to choose, or if you explicitly execute them. |
| 23:35:23 | idnar | adding "./" isn't really that much work, anyhow ;) |
| 23:35:29 | linuxstb_ | Battousai: Then just put dot at the end of your path... |
| 23:35:47 | bascule_forum | it wasn't the extra typing, it was the reason for it... |
| 23:35:57 | bluebrother | . is usually not part of the path |
| 23:36:00 | Battousai | linuxstb_: that was a crude example and i already covered that |
| 23:36:32 | Battousai | you could always do something more obscure like messing with people's rushed tab completion |
| 23:36:33 | bascule_forum | Battousai, thanks for the explanation, but that's still over my head. Llorean's explanation was clearer for me :) |
| 23:36:54 | Llorean | With windows, if you type a command the local version might execute, so you *have* to check first. |
| 23:37:18 | Llorean | With linux, assuming a properly formatted path, if you run a program independent of local copies you know which you're getting without having to check anything. |
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| 23:38:38 | bascule_forum | I suddenly feel that I'm one of those noobs that spam the forum with silly questions all day long... |
| 23:39:24 | Llorean | bascule_forum: Everyone's new at one point, and I don't think there's any clear (local) documentation for that one. :-P |
| 23:39:27 | bascule_forum | Anyway, thanks to all. I always enjoy my brief IRC visits and now I have a sim working in VMware and I can go to bed happy |
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