| 00:01:20 | XavierGr | stripwax: I don't have an OF on my H140 anymore :P |
| 00:01:36 | XavierGr | oh and it seems that I have problems it won't boot :\ |
| 00:01:49 | Davide-NYC | If a serial comm port was implemented (say on an H1x0) and if unilink was a serial protocol (which I believe it is) couldn't the two simply be connected to one another as long as the voltage was corrected and a plugin written to recieve and transmit unilink commands? |
| 00:02:21 | stripwax | Davide-NYC - yes, that is "all" that is required: hardware and software development ;-) |
| 00:03:27 | Davide-NYC | I know it sounds like I'm making light of the work involved, but the code is to some extent done. |
| 00:03:45 | Davide-NYC | (am I totally crazy?) |
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| 00:07:22 | XavierGr | is it supposed that the ground is shorcircuited with the Vbat on the RTC mod? |
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| 00:10:02 | Davide-NYC | no |
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| 00:10:13 | XavierGr | I thought so |
| 00:10:14 | Davide-NYC | Vbat goes to the battery |
| 00:10:21 | XavierGr | then I did something wrong |
| 00:10:30 | Davide-NYC | you looking at the wiring diagram? |
| 00:10:36 | XavierGr | well I did so, but the multimeter beeps between battery and ground |
| 00:11:02 | Davide-NYC | that may be correct. I'm not sure. |
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| 00:12:11 | Davide-NYC | but the wire from Vbat should go directly to battery (+) I did it like this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/RTCModH1x0/ClockWires.png |
| 00:12:23 | Davide-NYC | only with the chip right side up |
| 00:13:11 | Davide-NYC | wait, which chip are you using? |
| 00:13:55 | Davide-NYC | question: is there a way to build the sim for H1x0 with RTC? |
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| 00:19:49 | Lars_G | How well does rock work if at all in the H10 iRiver? |
| 00:20:59 | Lars_G | A few left for $90 with shipping at www.woot.com |
| 00:21:02 | Lars_G | in case they work |
| 00:21:05 | Lars_G | and someone wants one |
| 00:22:22 | Lars_G | 8% left |
| 00:26:20 | stripwax | Lars_G : - see wiki |
| 00:26:32 | Lars_G | stripwax: It's gone anyhow |
| 00:26:48 | Lars_G | And it was not for me |
| 00:27:04 | Soul-Slayer | Lars_G: It was good, but recently it's begun freezing up I think |
| 00:27:51 | pixelma | the reason why amiconn got one is that he wants to try fixing that |
| 00:28:06 | Soul-Slayer | Now that's devotion *thumbs up* |
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| 00:28:31 | XavierGr | hmm strange, whenever I connect the play wire on the rtc chip (for the alarm mod) the player refuses to boot |
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| 00:29:02 | XavierGr | and when I disconnect it the player operates normally except that the clock doesn't work |
| 00:29:11 | stripwax | woot.com - new to me. seems a weird business model |
| 00:29:13 | XavierGr | eg when I set it, it will still ask for the time |
| 00:29:27 | scorche | stripwax: it works quite well, really |
| 00:29:44 | Soul-Slayer | Can anyone explain it to me? |
| 00:30:42 | scorche | explain what? |
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| 00:30:53 | Soul-Slayer | How 'woot' operates :P |
| 00:31:06 | scorche | well, that is better left for #rockbox-community/PM |
| 00:31:07 | Soul-Slayer | Ah, don't worry. Found the explanation |
| 00:31:17 | Lars_G | Soul-Slayer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woot |
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| 00:32:12 | Soul-Slayer | Thanks |
| 00:32:30 | Lars_G | Np. check the section on woot-off it's today's special even |
| 00:32:31 | Lars_G | t |
| 00:32:45 | Lars_G | Oh tell me, how's the usb stack comming along? |
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| 00:34:28 | raphi | hi |
| 00:34:51 | raphi | is the sansa e280 ums compatible with rockbox or still just mtp? |
| 00:35:13 | Soul-Slayer | Rockbox makes all players UMS to my knowledge |
| 00:35:30 | Soul-Slayer | But that may not be the question you were asking |
| 00:35:35 | Soul-Slayer | And I have no sansa. So ignore me. |
| 00:35:46 | raphi | hm... would be fine!! |
| 00:36:04 | raphi | maybe someone else got one... anyone? |
| 00:36:07 | iamben | sansa doesnt deal w/ mtp at all does it? |
| 00:36:13 | iamben | err rockbox doesnt |
| 00:36:27 | Soul-Slayer | Rockbox treats all players like a UMS device, that's all I know |
| 00:36:33 | iamben | im not exactly sure what you're asking, but i've got a sansa right here with rockbox on it |
| 00:37:05 | iamben | to do any file transfers at all though, you have to boot the default firmware |
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| 00:37:48 | raphi | ok, with the original FW it just support mtp (for use with windows media player for example), and is it ums capable with rockbox, so you've got an seperate drive in the explorer? |
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| 00:39:25 | raphi | when i boot rockbox and then connect via usb, can I see an extra drive in the explorer? |
| 00:39:25 | iamben | raphi: my original fw supports mtp & ums |
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| 00:40:10 | iamben | raphi: if you are in rockbox, and you connect via usb, the pc sees nothing. usb is not implemented yet on the sansa |
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| 00:41:03 | raphi | iamben: ok, i just saw in the shop it supports jsut mtp, but if this is the case I'll buy one!! |
| 00:41:05 | raphi | thanks |
| 00:41:46 | Soul-Slayer | Only thing that put me off the Sansa is that it only goes up to 8gb |
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| 00:42:01 | raphi | thats the matter of flash-devices... |
| 00:42:17 | Soul-Slayer | Indeed |
| 00:42:46 | Soul-Slayer | What is stopping having a series of 8gb chips though? I won't pretend I know a lot about flash drives |
| 00:43:03 | iamben | it does have a microsd slot too, which is nice |
| 00:43:03 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: physical size? |
| 00:43:25 | iamben | Llorean: shouldnt be an issue, have you seen those 4gb microsd? |
| 00:43:27 | Soul-Slayer | But two of them can't be tremendously large |
| 00:43:39 | Soul-Slayer | And that would amount to 16gb, which is pretty respectable |
| 00:43:50 | iamben | i would imagine that money is the issue |
| 00:44:13 | iamben | would you pay $250-$300+ for only 16G? i'd say most people won't |
| 00:44:17 | Llorean | iamben: Yes, and those cost a lot more to make. |
| 00:44:19 | raphi | but they need also to sell something in a year... so they slow-down the researches :-p |
| 00:45:10 | tumu | they should just replace internal flash with enough slots for microsd |
| 00:45:59 | iamben | with a nice raid array? |
| 00:46:14 | Llorean | tumu: How many songs can you listen to simultaneously? |
| 00:46:17 | raphi | with mirroring... |
| 00:46:51 | Llorean | You can always just swap out the MicroSD card every now and then. |
| 00:47:42 | Lars_G | Llorean: Beleive me, for people with wide tastes, even 8Gb is too little |
| 00:48:19 | iamben | well i think its kinda for a different purpose than the 80G ipod |
| 00:48:25 | Llorean | Lars_G: Can you listen to 8gb of music in one sitting? |
| 00:48:35 | iamben | you arent supposed to put your entire library on a flash player |
| 00:48:41 | tumu | also internal bluetooth transmitter would be nice |
| 00:49:02 | Lars_G | Llorean: No, but during the day my mood swings widely and I need to have many different stuff handy |
| 00:49:08 | Llorean | Lars_G: The device charges by USB and is designed to be used with software that can automatically sync a selection from our library while you sleep |
| 00:49:25 | Llorean | If you want your entire selection, buy a large capacity HD player |
| 00:49:41 | Lars_G | I don't do HD players |
| 00:49:50 | Lars_G | And, I want a sample of my collection. |
| 00:49:58 | Lars_G | No single player can hold my entire selection. |
| 00:49:59 | iamben | this is why flash & hdd players can coexist, different markets, different lifestyles |
| 00:49:59 | Llorean | Flash is expensive, and I doubt you're willing to pay $600 for a high capacity flash player or you'd already have a solid state drive in an HD player's shell |
| 00:50:16 | Llorean | Lars_G: Are you telling me you legitimately own over 120gb of music? |
| 00:50:23 | Lars_G | Llorean: I do. |
| 00:50:26 | iamben | lets not say "no player" |
| 00:50:42 | iamben | doesnt someone make a player that takes a standard 3.5" drive? |
| 00:50:42 | Lars_G | Llorean: I own around 240 legal Gbs of music right now |
| 00:50:51 | Llorean | Then if you can spend that much money on music, buy three players. |
| 00:50:53 | Llorean | Problem solved. |
| 00:51:01 | iamben | THAT idea i like |
| 00:51:05 | Lars_G | and carry three players around? :P |
| 00:51:06 | Llorean | As for your compunction against HD players, I'm kinda curious why. |
| 00:51:17 | Llorean | Lars_G: Do you think one player with enough storage will magically be smaller? |
| 00:51:21 | Lars_G | plus that much music is a lifetime of archival by two persons. |
| 00:51:33 | iamben | Lars_G: YOU dont have to carry all 3, let your other personalities each carry his own player |
| 00:51:34 | Lars_G | Llorean: not magically, the state of flash ram is changing rapidly. |
| 00:51:39 | Lars_G | iamben: :P |
| 00:51:41 | amiconn | Well, you can have up to 160GB in a rckbox supported player atm (with upgrading and a few simple precautions) |
| 00:51:50 | * | scorche points to the large box sitting at his feet full of CDs that were inherited for free...plenty more than 120 GB there for free... |
| 00:52:29 | Lars_G | Llorean: And my troubles with HD based players is that I find HDs still too fragile while used on mobile, shake prone enviros like DAPs are. |
| 00:52:41 | Llorean | Lars_G: What do you do to it? |
| 00:52:49 | Llorean | I've never had an HD fail in any of my DAPs. |
| 00:52:52 | Lars_G | I "do" nothing to it. |
| 00:52:55 | iamben | Lars_G: the current state of technology is not ready for you |
| 00:53:16 | Lars_G | I've never owned an HD based dap, because I've been begged to help with too many cases of iPods with defective HDDs |
| 00:53:27 | iamben | i too would love to have 500G of solid state storage in a postage-stamp-sized player, but we aren't there yet |
| 00:53:38 | Lars_G | I decided to play it safe, and so far I've only used solid state (flash) devices. |
| 00:53:42 | iamben | and by the time we get there, we'll all be wanting 50TB players |
| 00:53:48 | Llorean | Lars_G: So, you've *never* had one break on you, and don't know exactly how abusive *iPods* were treated, and have based your opinion on this? |
| 00:53:54 | Lars_G | iamben: Oh but we're terribly close. |
| 00:54:17 | Lars_G | iamben: It should be technically feasible right now to go to around 32 or even 64Gb on a nano sized device |
| 00:54:42 | iamben | its technically possible |
| 00:54:51 | Lars_G | Llorean: Most ones I had to work with had minimal or inexistent visible external damage, wich suggests a low abusiveness environment |
| 00:54:54 | iamben | but we have contraints like budget, battery life, usability |
| 00:55:01 | Lars_G | iamben: yeah |
| 00:55:31 | Llorean | Lars_G: One small mark of visible damage could qualify as enough abuse, such as dropping it six feet. Not enough to make a significant mark but more than enough to be abusive to an HD. |
| 00:55:32 | * | pixelma is reminded of the 8GB MMC that were *announced* almost a year ago, still hasn't seen one available :| |
| 00:55:47 | iamben | i plan to beat the hell out of my sansa, mountain biking & running & such |
| 00:56:08 | Lars_G | Llorean: Plus I hate spinup times ;) |
| 00:57:12 | Lars_G | iamben: you should be denounced to the authorities :) |
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| 00:58:00 | mbishop | I plan to be careful with my sansa :P |
| 00:58:10 | * | amiconn knows that HDDs *sometimes* don't like treatment which isn't even visible on the outside of the player |
| 00:58:15 | tumu | my sansa has already got some beating |
| 00:58:47 | amiconn | But even then, they're robust enough for everyday use in a dap imo |
| 00:59:01 | Lars_G | I also dislike the size :D |
| 00:59:07 | Lars_G | but, I might get an ipod vid someday |
| 00:59:09 | Lars_G | maybe |
| 00:59:10 | Lars_G | not sure |
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| 01:00:11 | mbishop | Rockbox is so much nicer than san disk's default firmware heh |
| 01:02:11 | stripwax | scorche - how large a box of cds? 120GB compressed is like 2000 CDs |
| 01:02:21 | stripwax | not a bad 'for free' haul.. |
| 01:02:49 | BHSPitMonkey | since when is 120GB 2000CD's |
| 01:02:51 | * | scorche likes flac |
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| 01:03:21 | BHSPitMonkey | uncompressed, 120GB would be 176 CD's |
| 01:03:40 | stripwax | hm, 120GB at ~1MB/min compressed -> 122800 minutes, so 2048 CDs at 60 mins/CD |
| 01:03:47 | BHSPitMonkey | hmm |
| 01:03:54 | BHSPitMonkey | misread |
| 01:03:57 | stripwax | ?? |
| 01:04:01 | BHSPitMonkey | well |
| 01:04:04 | stripwax | sounds about right to me |
| 01:04:06 | Llorean | At 72 minutes per CD, 256kbps (for insured "transparency") you're still at nearly a thousand. |
| 01:04:06 | BHSPitMonkey | I was talking strictly data-wise |
| 01:04:10 | amiconn | 1MB/min would be ~128kbps which isn't bearable with most music imo |
| 01:04:23 | stripwax | seems good for ogg |
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| 01:04:52 | stripwax | Llorean - right, |
| 01:04:53 | BHSPitMonkey | also, aren't most CD's ~80min |
| 01:05:09 | Llorean | BHSPitMonkey: Audio CDs often are a good deal less. |
| 01:05:09 | amiconn | I didn't really compare yet, but I wouldn't expect ogg to be so much better than the other lossy codecs |
| 01:05:29 | amiconn | At mediocre bitrates I mean |
| 01:05:34 | BHSPitMonkey | Llorean, cheap-o music publishers. |
| 01:05:45 | scorche | he didnt specify a bitrate/format...and i found the "able to afford that much music...you would be able to afford" assumption in error... |
| 01:05:48 | Llorean | No, actually I find the indie stuff tends to squish more on a CD (in my experience) |
| 01:06:00 | stripwax | ogg q5 is somewhere between 100 and 190 kbit/s and on average it seems to be just north of 128kb/s |
| 01:06:06 | BHSPitMonkey | all I know is, if I keep ripping CD's to flac, I'm gonna need a new HDD... |
| 01:06:12 | Llorean | scorche: If you are able to afford that music (and inheriting it isn't affording it) then yes. |
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| 01:06:44 | scorche | well, he didnt say he purchased..he just said it was legal |
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| 01:06:57 | Llorean | Which is why I didn't say "have that much music" |
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| 01:09:48 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 01:10:02 | amiconn | Why does the thing only freeze in wps, but not in audio debug?? |
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| 01:12:18 | XavierGr | nope, it seems that the rtc mod won't work for me :( |
| 01:12:50 | XavierGr | better post it on the forums |
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| 01:13:59 | * | amiconn is listening to flac, staring at the H10 display :( |
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| 01:19:21 | XavierGr | holy shit!! I've installed the rtc chip in the reverse order! |
| 01:19:29 | XavierGr | argh! |
| 01:19:46 | iamben | is time going backwards? |
| 01:19:57 | XavierGr | of course not, it just doen't work |
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| 01:20:27 | XavierGr | I should be more careful with it! |
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| 01:25:49 | XavierGr | the upside down part confused me |
| 01:25:53 | XavierGr | I installed it upside up |
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| 01:28:47 | Soul-Slayer | I guess that doesn't help |
| 01:28:54 | Soul-Slayer | You nearly discovered time travel though |
| 01:29:01 | pixelma | hope you can fix it |
| 01:29:40 | XavierGr | yeah I can fix it eventually |
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| 01:29:53 | XavierGr | the player boots okay now that I removed it |
| 01:29:57 | amiconn | If the chip survived... |
| 01:30:03 | XavierGr | indeed |
| 01:30:23 | XavierGr | damn I hope it works, bluebrother send his spare one |
| 01:30:49 | XavierGr | it would be pitty and too stupid of me to blow it up |
| 01:33:34 | amiconn | Hmm |
| 01:33:46 | amiconn | I know why I cannot leave the audio debug screen on sansa... |
| 01:34:04 | pixelma | because you don't have one? :P |
| 01:34:15 | amiconn | bah, s/sansa/H10/ |
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| 01:34:33 | XavierGr | hmm hopefully the chip won't have any damage, all the pins I used are not used at all |
| 01:34:49 | XavierGr | (by the chip I mean) |
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| 01:34:59 | amiconn | Its event loop calls action_singnalscreenchange() on _every_ iteration - and ACTION_STD_CANCEL is a release action... |
| 01:35:13 | amiconn | ^stupidity... |
| 01:43:13 | amiconn | Hmpf, action_userabort() has the same problem :( |
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| 01:51:27 | loan | hola |
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| 01:51:52 | loan | necesito a alguien q hable español y sepa de rockbox |
| 01:52:52 | scorche | habla ingles? |
| 01:53:06 | loan | un poco |
| 01:53:23 | loan | pero esque necesito ayuda urgente |
| 01:53:27 | scorche | we speak english here =) |
| 01:54:09 | Lars_G | Sigh, ok I can translate |
| 01:54:23 | loan | ok |
| 01:54:38 | scorche | Lars_G: well, it is a bit of spam....you might want to do tha tin PM |
| 01:54:59 | loan | i think that my iPod is colapsed |
| 01:54:59 | Lars_G | scorche: hmm it'd be harder but I could. |
| 01:55:15 | Lars_G | loan: rockbox in general can't damage an ipod. |
| 01:55:44 | Lars_G | you can always reinstall the ipod to original with the firmware updater from apple |
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| 01:59:42 | loan | lars |
| 01:59:45 | loan | thanks |
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| 02:00:08 | loan | i rebooted my iPod and all is ok |
| 02:02:05 | loan | can i see images on my iPod mini 2g with some plugin? |
| 02:04:24 | pixelma | yes, you can watch usual .jpg with the jpg viewer - just select the file in the filebrowser (the manual has some more information) |
| 02:04:41 | Soul-Slayer | Greyscale jpgs must look horrid :p |
| 02:05:21 | pixelma | it's a bit grainy on the mini but not that bad |
| 02:06:08 | loan | oh thanks |
| 02:06:10 | loan | i will try it |
| 02:06:43 | loan | oooh |
| 02:07:04 | loan | my pc don`t recognize the iPod |
| 02:07:09 | pixelma | I can even watch them on my Ondio with a black and white screen (with the help of the greyscale lib) :P |
| 02:07:33 | loan | it doesn`t appear in my pc |
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| 02:08:01 | pixelma | loan: do you see a picture of a usb plug on the screen which stays there? |
| 02:08:08 | loan | yes |
| 02:08:12 | loan | but |
| 02:08:15 | Soul-Slayer | So it's not rebooting? |
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| 02:08:26 | loan | no |
| 02:08:53 | loan | the pc don`t recongnize it |
| 02:09:03 | Soul-Slayer | Reset it and put it into disk mode |
| 02:09:11 | Soul-Slayer | Thats all the USB feature on it does anyway |
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| 02:09:22 | loan | how can i put it into disk mode |
| 02:09:28 | pixelma | ah yes... some builds do that for an unknown reason. You have to reboot it and put it into disk mode manually (select and play when it reboots) |
| 02:09:30 | Soul-Slayer | Same way you did to put rockbox on it |
| 02:09:56 | Soul-Slayer | Hold menu and select to reboot, when the apple logo comes up hold slect and play |
| 02:10:06 | loan | ah |
| 02:10:25 | pixelma | and from the reports I read this problem seems to be more common on Minis :/ |
| 02:10:50 | loan | but if i load the apple OS |
| 02:11:01 | loan | it functions perfectly |
| 02:11:08 | loan | :) |
| 02:11:40 | pixelma | yes, that's also a good way :) |
| 02:12:07 | loan | but |
| 02:12:46 | loan | i have to reboot the iPod to load the rockbox? |
| 02:12:56 | Soul-Slayer | If you're in the appleOS, yes |
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| 02:40:37 | loan | ouch |
| 02:40:53 | loan | my iPod is dont turning on |
| 02:40:56 | jac0b | I am getting errors while building for the gigabeat |
| 02:40:57 | jac0b | CONVBDF |
| 02:40:58 | jac0b | CC sysfont.c |
| 02:40:58 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK jac0b |
| 02:40:58 | jac0b | Header parsed |
| 02:40:58 | jac0b | AR+RANLIB librockbox.a |
| 02:40:58 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 02:40:58 | jac0b | make[1]: *** [/rockbox/build/librockbox.a] Error 1 |
| 02:40:59 | *** | Alert Mode level 2 |
| 02:40:59 | jac0b | make: *** [build] Error 2 |
| 02:42:05 | loan | someone hlp me please |
| 02:42:07 | krazykit | are you using any patches? |
| 02:42:12 | jac0b | nope none |
| 02:42:24 | krazykit | interesting. from a recent svn? |
| 02:42:30 | jac0b | I even deleted all my file and d/l'ed fresh files |
| 02:42:33 | loan | please |
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| 02:42:42 | jac0b | yep |
| 02:42:49 | jac0b | from recent svn |
| 02:43:29 | krazykit | loan, is the battery dead? this is as far as i can help :P |
| 02:43:36 | loan | yes |
| 02:43:52 | jac0b | loan: plug it in to the charger |
| 02:44:14 | loan | i dont have charger |
| 02:44:29 | loan | i connect it to my pc |
| 02:44:38 | jac0b | plug it into the usb cable it should charge that way also |
| 02:44:44 | loan | and it dont do anything |
| 02:45:10 | jac0b | when you plug it into the usb cable does it come on? |
| 02:45:57 | loan | yes |
| 02:46:06 | loan | and i dont have dock |
| 02:46:57 | jac0b | does it boot up to rockbox or ipod |
| 02:47:14 | loan | it dont boot up |
| 02:47:28 | loan | i have it connected |
| 02:47:32 | jac0b | what happens when you plug it in |
| 02:47:38 | loan | nothing |
| 02:47:51 | jac0b | screen doesn't light up |
| 02:48:07 | loan | nop |
| 02:48:24 | jac0b | hmm I don't know |
| 02:48:36 | jac0b | I don't have a ipod I have a gigabeat |
| 02:48:41 | loan | oh no |
| 02:48:47 | jac0b | someone might be able to help |
| 02:48:50 | krazykit | jac0b, built just fine for me |
| 02:49:07 | jac0b | what are you building it for |
| 02:49:26 | krazykit | gigabeat |
| 02:51:00 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 02:51:51 | jac0b | I am getting random errors now I get |
| 02:51:53 | jac0b | LD rockbox.elf |
| 02:51:53 | jac0b | arm-elf-gcc: /rockbox/build/apps/main.o: No such file or directory |
| 02:51:53 | jac0b | make[1]: *** [/rockbox/build/apps/rockbox.elf] Error 1 |
| 02:51:53 | jac0b | make: *** [build] Error 2 |
| 02:52:23 | jac0b | could it be that I am d/l'ing a bunch of stuff |
| 02:52:37 | jac0b | and it coruppted my d/l's |
| 02:54:59 | scorche | well, something is obviously wrong on your end, as those errors dont appear on the build table |
| 02:55:46 | jac0b | weird |
| 02:56:03 | jac0b | I am going to try d/l'ing it again |
| 02:56:26 | krazykit | jac0b, no, that shouldn't be the case |
| 02:56:50 | jac0b | what is it then |
| 02:57:29 | krazykit | maybe your build environment is screwed up? |
| 02:57:40 | jac0b | is it my cgywin |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:41 | krazykit | maybe. |
| 03:01:58 | jac0b | I haven't changed anything |
| 03:02:53 | jac0b | it built fine on 7/17/07 |
| 03:04:42 | jac0b | I got the same error as the first time |
| 03:04:43 | jac0b | Header parsed |
| 03:04:43 | jac0b | AR+RANLIB librockbox.a |
| 03:04:43 | jac0b | make[1]: *** [/rockbox/build/librockbox.a] Error 1 |
| 03:04:43 | jac0b | make: *** [build] Error 2 |
| 03:05:28 | jac0b | should I reinstall cgywin |
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| 03:16:55 | jac0b | krazykit: should I reinstall cygwin |
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| 03:29:37 | krazykit | jac0b, i don't know. i don't use cygwin. |
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| 04:35:52 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: hey |
| 04:38:50 | midgey | if i add mktime() to the plugin api, would i have to bump the version and min version? |
| 04:40:54 | JdGordon | only the version |
| 04:40:59 | JdGordon | if you add it to the end |
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| 04:46:24 | midgey | well i added it after set_time which is in the middle |
| 04:47:14 | midgey | i guess i could just bump them both since it seems pretty well sorted |
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| 04:57:14 | TiMiD[FD] | whoops there is red in the build table ^^ |
| 04:58:30 | TiMiD[FD] | gonna fix this later, time to eat |
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| 05:00:32 | BHSPitMonkey | anybody notice H10's for $85 on woot today? |
| 05:02:14 | krazykit | yep. |
| 05:02:38 | krazykit | it'd be great if the gigabeat s port took a huge leap forward. woot has those for pretty cheap occasionally |
| 05:03:01 | EbErT | huge leap forward compared to what? |
| 05:03:38 | EbErT | which player has smoothest operation, thought it was gigabeat |
| 05:04:00 | midgey | thats the gigabeat f and x |
| 05:04:08 | krazykit | right |
| 05:04:15 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: hello |
| 05:04:19 | midgey | s is a new port that just started |
| 05:04:22 | krazykit | gigabeat s is being worked on, and i think there's some success in writing to the lcd, but not much more |
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| 05:05:46 | EbErT | anyone wanna trade 2 gigabeats for a 60gig ipod :) |
| 05:06:01 | krazykit | pff. how 'bout 2 ipods for a gigabeat |
| 05:06:11 | EbErT | hehe |
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| 05:07:18 | tdtooke | Quick question fo the powers that be. I've noticed that certain themes were removed from the wiki because of possible copyright concerns. If I were to upload a homestarrunner based theme what would I need to do? Would showing an email from them giving me permission to do this be sufficient, or would they need to directly contact whoever so that there'd be no doubt? |
| 05:07:53 | krazykit | that'd probably be sufficient, but i'd ask Soap. |
| 05:08:52 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: I replied in FS |
| 05:09:14 | JdGordon | ... as did you :p |
| 05:09:48 | jhMikeS | indeed |
| 05:10:26 | JdGordon | whats th plan for non-wheel targets? |
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| 05:11:19 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: no change for that I would think. the time-based acceleration works well there. |
| 05:11:48 | JdGordon | ok, because your patch removes it all... |
| 05:13:15 | jhMikeS | I may substitute an acceleration level for wheel based. I'll also have a #define HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL_ACCELERATION to not break other wheel targets in the meantime. |
| 05:13:52 | JdGordon | ok |
| 05:15:21 | jhMikeS | I was messing with my sister's video. There's really no difference between the iPods and the sansa OF with wheel behavior. Really, there's hardly any difference in firmware at all. :\ I guess that should be expected. |
| 05:20:00 | Soap | krazykit, I am not the authority on Copyright law. |
| 05:20:29 | Soap | ask Bagder or Cassandra |
| 05:20:54 | scorche | he left.. |
| 05:21:24 | Soap | jhMikeS, even with really long lists? |
| 05:22:02 | scorche | he only waited 3 min for an answer?...pfft |
| 05:23:59 | krazykit | Soap, really? i thought there was stuff in the wiki like Soap approved |
| 05:24:11 | scorche | krazykit: they were just named after him |
| 05:24:29 | krazykit | ah, i see |
| 05:26:57 | scorche | for the record, yes that would be sufficient, but it would have to be shown in a certain way...with the wiki, all you can do it to include it in the .zip, which would likely still be removed with any further prunes (although there shouldnt be as the new system is going out) |
| 05:27:26 | jhMikeS | Soap: you mean between sansa and iPod? pretty darn identical. |
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| 05:29:17 | luderacer | hi |
| 05:29:42 | jhMikeS | iPod has a little more non-linearity and some mild acceleration over time, but just a little bit |
| 05:34:27 | luderacer | hows everybod? |
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| 06:01:27 | Soap | thanks for reminding me krazykit. I need to rework that webpage to reflect the fact that WPS standards were talked about during DCW, and those decisions superscede my earlier musings. |
| 06:02:06 | scorche | i have my guidelines written up anyway |
| 06:04:04 | Soap | I was just curious, jhMikeS. I've used many "original" firmwares, and was always impressed with the "acceleration" of the iPods. I hadn't used the Sansa one outside BestBuy, but was surprised to read it was comparable |
| 06:05:00 | Soap | yea, scorche, but _your_ guidelines are...well...scorchy. |
| 06:05:07 | scorche | ? |
| 06:05:08 | luderacer | im stuck atm trying to add rockbox to my f40 mp3 player anybody got a sec to help me? |
| 06:05:14 | Soap | ;) |
| 06:05:21 | scorche | my guidelines are going to be the ones that will be followed and enforced... |
| 06:06:44 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 06:06:44 | * | TiMiD[FD] curses the iso encoded rockbox source files |
| 06:09:49 | jhMikeS | Soap: I was never able to give iPod the rundown till today. The portal player OF targets are pretty canned in general. |
| 06:10:40 | Soap | good to know |
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| 06:17:14 | luderacer | no body for help? |
| 06:17:18 | luderacer | erm please? |
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| 06:33:26 | JdGordon | has anyone else had really unstable playback lately on the sansa? |
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| 06:39:51 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: no, like what? |
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| 06:49:33 | amiconn | mo0ning |
| 06:50:08 | amiconn | JdGordon: Already checked my r13933 commit? |
| 06:50:35 | amiconn | Unfortunately action_userabort has the same problem - it's not working on H10 |
| 06:50:43 | lymeca | I have the majority of my music collection on my GNU/Linux machine in FLAC format. Even though Rockbox supports FLAC decoding, I want to transcode my files to a lossy format before transferring to my 4th Gen iPod so I can fit more on the 20GB HDD. |
| 06:51:11 | lymeca | As for *which* lossy format I want to use, I want it to be whichever one that causes the LEAST battery drain to decode on the iPod. |
| 06:51:26 | lymeca | Is there a simple answer to this? |
| 06:51:55 | lymeca | And which would cause the least amount of battery drainage within this lossy format: CBR, VBR, or (if it is supported) ABR? |
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| 07:07:27 | ptw419 | 4M x 32Bit x 4 Banks of mem |
| 07:07:34 | ptw419 | is that 64 or 32 megs of ram? |
| 07:11:06 | amiconn | 4M*(32/8)*4=64M |
| 07:13:15 | ptw419 | ok thats what i thought but was trying to make sure |
| 07:14:39 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: I tihnk its to do with the sdcard, lots of crashing, but playback still works which is annoying |
| 07:14:54 | JdGordon | amiconn: no, friday is never a good day for coding... whats that change?. |
| 07:15:40 | amiconn | The problem is that ACTION_STD_CANCEL is a 2-part action (short left press, i.e. triggered on release) on H10 |
| 07:16:01 | amiconn | So calling action_signalscreenchange() in every loop iteration stops it from working... |
| 07:16:41 | amiconn | The fix for the audio debug screen was simple, but I'm not sure about action_userabort() which has the same problem |
| 07:17:01 | JdGordon | im looking there now, ill have a think about it |
| 07:18:43 | JdGordon | we can | BUTTON_REL onto the current button and check if that new combo is action_std_cancel |
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| 07:24:09 | TheDude | Does any one where to find a good NES emu for RB |
| 07:24:26 | amiconn | JdGordon: I'd rather think action_userabort() shouldn't call action_signalscreenchange() |
| 07:24:57 | amiconn | This should be done once by the screen that's using it (even if that means slightly more code |
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| 07:31:35 | amiconn | And the loops calling action_userabort() could be written in a consistent style (probably has no influence on binary size as gcc should produce identical code for both variants) |
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| 08:12:26 | amiconn | JdGordon: I just had an idea how we could get rid of this action_signalscreenchange business altogether |
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| 08:14:18 | amiconn | JdGordon: action_signalscreenchange() only exists because an action in screen 1 could be the first part of an action in screen 2 (e.g. an action that triggers on release or repeat) |
| 08:14:39 | amiconn | But - this can only happen if the contexts differ. Within a context, actions are consistent |
| 08:15:08 | amiconn | So if the action worker stores the previous context, the problem could be solved easily |
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| 08:15:47 | amiconn | if (last_context != context) ignore_until_release = true; |
| 08:15:54 | samlander | hello |
| 08:16:23 | amiconn | Or perhaps even this variable can go, as it is currently used to store the screenchange request |
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| 08:17:50 | samlander | can anyone offer a link that would provide some baseline information on developing plugins? |
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| 08:38:12 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok cool, if that works, then great. |
| 08:38:27 | JdGordon | i was going to say i had an idea how to fix it but wont be able to code t till tomorow night |
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| 08:38:36 | JdGordon | try your idea and see how it goes |
| 08:38:46 | amiconn | I probably will |
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| 08:39:07 | tucoz | samlander: still around? |
| 08:39:14 | tucoz | samlander: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
| 08:39:38 | amiconn | The darn H10 won't freeze now that I hooked up recording in order to monitor it :( |
| 08:40:22 | tucoz | samlander: as a general tip. look how other simple plugins are written, and remember to add your new plugin to the SOURCES file |
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| 08:43:20 | samlander | thank you |
| 08:43:54 | tucoz | no problem |
| 08:44:42 | samlander | this may sound retarded... but the language...... .... ... c? |
| 08:45:07 | tucoz | yep |
| 08:45:11 | samlander | k |
| 08:45:20 | samlander | *cracks fingers* been awhile ^_^ |
| 08:45:31 | tucoz | the plugin api is defined in plugin.h |
| 08:45:53 | tucoz | but i guess to get started, check out the wiki and already written plugins. |
| 08:45:57 | samlander | i've gone to the darkside and have been doing a lot of dotnet |
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| 08:46:07 | tucoz | hehe. me too |
| 08:46:09 | samlander | it will be nice to go back to roots :D |
| 08:46:24 | samlander | i was going to say dotcrack, but meh :D |
| 08:46:52 | amiconn | Still better than java imho |
| 08:47:34 | samlander | it was my understanding though that compiling needs to be device specific no? |
| 08:48:26 | tucoz | yes, there is a script in tools that will compile and install the crosscompiler for you |
| 08:48:33 | samlander | ah coolage |
| 08:48:51 | tucoz | include download also |
| 08:49:59 | tucoz | samlander: there is a wealth of information in the wiki. check out this section: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 08:50:05 | samlander | ty |
| 08:50:54 | tucoz | rockboxdev.sh is the name of the script |
| 08:51:07 | JdGordon | amiconn: your fix wont solve the h10 problem though.... |
| 08:51:31 | JdGordon | I was going to suggest a dedicated context for the action_userabort() call... |
| 08:51:33 | samlander | i truly appreciate your help |
| 08:52:08 | tucoz | happy to help. always nice with new developers interested in rockbox |
| 08:52:40 | tucoz | see you some time. back to work |
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| 08:52:51 | JdGordon | ... actually, no, it probably would |
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| 09:17:33 | TiMiD[FD] | I've made the changes to dircache, to expose a posix api to the apps, it works great in the sim |
| 09:17:44 | TiMiD[FD] | but I don't have a device to test ... |
| 09:17:53 | TiMiD[FD] | would someone mind tsting for me ? |
| 09:18:19 | GodEater | sure |
| 09:18:23 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
| 09:18:29 | TiMiD[FD] | which target ? |
| 09:19:03 | GodEater | I can built it myself if you give me two seconds ;) |
| 09:19:24 | TiMiD[FD] | you don't have my patch |
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| 09:19:47 | TiMiD[FD] | well maybe I should rather upload it |
| 09:20:08 | TiMiD[FD] | but I don't want to commit something untested on devices in svn |
| 09:20:13 | GodEater | ok |
| 09:20:16 | GodEater | gigabeat F then |
| 09:20:28 | * | GodEater appears to be having issues with his source tree any |
| 09:20:59 | GodEater | +way |
| 09:21:16 | GodEater | think my typing circuits are on the fritz lately, I keep randomly leaving words out |
| 09:22:19 | TiMiD[FD] | ok I build it |
| 09:23:01 | GodEater | you could also put the patch on flyspray |
| 09:23:08 | GodEater | then others can look too |
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| 09:23:47 | TiMiD[FD] | hmm why not |
| 09:24:07 | TiMiD[FD] | althought I'm not sure a lot of ppl will bother patching and compiling it |
| 09:24:16 | TiMiD[FD] | it doesn't adds functionnalities |
| 09:24:21 | GodEater | other devs might though |
| 09:24:22 | TiMiD[FD] | it's just api cleaning |
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| 09:24:49 | TiMiD[FD] | I upload it to the flyspray |
| 09:24:51 | GodEater | I've seen ppl like linuxstb put patches in flyspray when they've done similar tidying up |
| 09:30:21 | pondlife | TiMiD[FD]: Pop a patch on FS and I'll test it in an hour on H300 ? |
| 09:30:38 | TiMiD[FD] | I'm posting it |
| 09:31:55 | GodEater | TiMiD[FD]: any particular test you wish me to do ? Music playback is fine ;) |
| 09:32:08 | TiMiD[FD] | hmm |
| 09:32:28 | TiMiD[FD] | try directory browsing ^^ |
| 09:32:42 | TiMiD[FD] | with and without dircache |
| 09:33:01 | TiMiD[FD] | also a test on doom / rockboy if possible |
| 09:33:15 | GodEater | I don't have either installed |
| 09:33:23 | TiMiD[FD] | ok so nevermind |
| 09:33:37 | TiMiD[FD] | if directory browsing works, it's OK I think |
| 09:33:51 | GodEater | both sorts of browsing work (with and without the cache) |
| 09:34:04 | TiMiD[FD] | anyway what else would you want from your dap ? :) |
| 09:34:13 | TiMiD[FD] | I suppose it's ok then |
| 09:34:17 | TiMiD[FD] | ah |
| 09:34:28 | TiMiD[FD] | try renaming and deleting dirs |
| 09:35:01 | GodEater | ok |
| 09:35:29 | TiMiD[FD] | I cross my fingers for your FAT :) |
| 09:36:26 | GodEater | created, renamed and deleted a dir |
| 09:36:28 | GodEater | all looks good |
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| 09:48:59 | TiMiD[FD] | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7457 |
| 09:49:13 | TiMiD[FD] | if others want to test ... |
| 09:50:30 | TiMiD[FD] | shoud be interresting to test it on platforms without dircache like archos players |
| 09:50:42 | TiMiD[FD] | althoughtit should work the same ... |
| 09:52:42 | TiMiD[FD] | thank you for taking the risk of testing anyway GodEater :p |
| 09:52:54 | GodEater | hehe |
| 09:53:13 | GodEater | what's the patch no ? |
| 09:53:22 | GodEater | I'll download it and try it on my ipod and H140 too |
| 09:53:36 | TiMiD[FD] | 7457 |
| 09:53:41 | GodEater | thanks |
| 09:53:51 | TiMiD[FD] | it should work the same on those targets |
| 09:54:26 | pondlife | First test seems ok here - was there anywhere explicitly using uncached access? |
| 09:54:30 | GodEater | nothing wrong with being thorough though :) |
| 09:54:39 | TiMiD[FD] | yes |
| 09:54:49 | pondlife | Where? |
| 09:54:50 | GodEater | pondlife: I'd guess within dircache itself for a start ;) |
| 09:54:51 | TiMiD[FD] | there were some apps using uncached version |
| 09:54:58 | TiMiD[FD] | as well as all the plugins |
| 09:54:59 | pondlife | GodEater: Of course... |
| 09:55:21 | GodEater | I'll just stop stating the obvious now |
| 09:55:30 | TiMiD[FD] | dircache also uses fat from time to time .. |
| 09:55:40 | pondlife | Hmm, do plugins use the memory required for dircache? I would think not, and so all plugins should use it... |
| 09:56:15 | TiMiD[FD] | dircache api was available to plugins |
| 09:56:26 | linuxstb_ | TiMiD[FD]: Have you test-compiled for many targets? |
| 09:56:42 | TiMiD[FD] | with this patch apps don't have to care about using dircache or not, they just use the standard api |
| 09:56:45 | | Part Gomezer |
| 09:56:52 | GodEater | odd |
| 09:56:55 | linuxstb_ | e.g. Archos devices (no dircache), Sansa or Ondio (multi-volume) |
| 09:57:02 | TiMiD[FD] | ah |
| 09:57:07 | GodEater | I could have sworn last time I tried pacbox it stopped audio playback |
| 09:57:10 | TiMiD[FD] | I didn't ried multi-volumes |
| 09:57:31 | TiMiD[FD] | I tried targets without dircache though |
| 09:57:35 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: That was changed a while ago (for Gigabeat only - other devices don't have enough CPU). |
| 09:57:52 | GodEater | ah |
| 09:57:59 | GodEater | I must have done it on my ipod the |
| 09:58:01 | GodEater | +n |
| 09:58:04 | linuxstb_ | Or maybe it always did that on Gigabeat... |
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| 09:59:04 | GodEater | the Gigabeat really is a fine DAP ;) |
| 09:59:10 | * | GodEater hugs his |
| 09:59:36 | pondlife | Hmm, having done a make clean, I can no longer build H300... |
| 09:59:36 | TiMiD[FD] | ah a warning on ondio :) |
| 09:59:57 | pondlife | CC powermgmt.c - In file included from powermgmt.c:45: export/font.h:30:21: sysfont.h: No such file or directory |
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| 10:00:49 | pondlife | Works ok without the patch.... let me repatch. |
| 10:01:19 | linuxstb_ | TiMiD[FD]: I noticed your patch removed a prototype (for HOTSWAP) in dir.h |
| 10:02:48 | TiMiD[FD] | a prototype ? |
| 10:03:20 | linuxstb_ | "-char *get_volume_name(int volume);' |
| 10:03:32 | TiMiD[FD] | oh ? |
| 10:03:34 | TiMiD[FD] | really ? |
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| 10:03:47 | linuxstb_ | search for "HOTSWAP" in your patch. |
| 10:04:07 | linuxstb_ | Is that related to the warning you're getting? |
| 10:04:08 | TiMiD[FD] | ah |
| 10:04:14 | TiMiD[FD] | that's because dir.h is a new file |
| 10:04:22 | TiMiD[FD] | dir.h has been moved to dir_uncached.h |
| 10:04:30 | TiMiD[FD] | as well as dir.c |
| 10:05:03 | TiMiD[FD] | the warning I was getting was an include I removed in disk.c |
| 10:05:09 | linuxstb_ | Ah, they don't seem to be in your patch... |
| 10:05:10 | TiMiD[FD] | compiles without warning on other platforms |
| 10:05:15 | TiMiD[FD] | ah ... |
| 10:05:25 | TiMiD[FD] | how should I do that ? |
| 10:05:35 | pondlife | Hmm, I'm now getting "*** No rule to make target `/home/Steve/rockbox/build/firmware/common/dir_uncached.o'", having done a configure and make clean.. |
| 10:05:41 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
| 10:05:43 | linuxstb_ | Did you use "svn mv" to rename them? |
| 10:05:50 | TiMiD[FD] | so there are missing files in my patch |
| 10:05:55 | TiMiD[FD] | no ... |
| 10:06:14 | pondlife | I already had it compile ok earlier (I think) |
| 10:06:16 | linuxstb_ | You must do that - otherwise you will use the svn history. Unless they truely are new files. |
| 10:06:20 | TiMiD[FD] | how should I do ? |
| 10:06:29 | linuxstb_ | s/use/lose/ |
| 10:06:41 | TiMiD[FD] | svn mv dir.c dir_uncached.c |
| 10:06:41 | pondlife | But since I did a make clean it's not building :/ |
| 10:07:10 | linuxstb_ | Yes - rename them back (using the normal mv), and then "svn mv" them. |
| 10:07:16 | TiMiD[FD] | ah ok |
| 10:07:19 | linuxstb_ | (I think) |
| 10:08:30 | TiMiD[FD] | hmm doesn't works that well |
| 10:08:56 | TiMiD[FD] | svn: Use −−force to override this restriction |
| 10:08:56 | TiMiD[FD] | svn: Move will not be attempted unless forced |
| 10:08:56 | TiMiD[FD] | svn: 'dir.h' has local modifications |
| 10:09:02 | TiMiD[FD] | should I force ? |
| 10:09:52 | dionoea | I usually copy the modified file. Revert to the previous svn version. Move and then copy the modified file on top of the new file. |
| 10:09:56 | pondlife | Hmm your patch needs to include dir_uncached.c. |
| 10:10:40 | linuxstb_ | Maybe you can't mv and modify at the same time... Or maybe you need to mv first, and then modify. |
| 10:11:05 | dionoea | mv and then modify works |
| 10:11:20 | dionoea | modify and then mv with −−force ... i'm not sure that it keeps your modifications |
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| 10:24:52 | TiMiD[FD] | grrmmmbll |
| 10:25:11 | TiMiD[FD] | I'll do it after I'm too busy with work right now |
| 10:25:26 | TiMiD[FD] | I mean organizing tonight's party ... |
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| 10:49:05 | tohtorijep | hi! is it possible to get some last.fm plugin working under linux? this is not propably the right place to ask but i dont know anything else |
| 10:49:14 | tohtorijep | i mean with rockbox |
| 10:49:46 | tohtorijep | there are few plugins for windows: iScrobbler and logScrobbler, i dont know any for linux |
| 10:50:07 | pondlife | Flyspray admins: Could you make the Severity field default to something ("Low"?) - it currently is left at null and gives "Notice: Undefined index: 0 in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 344", plus some display corruption. |
| 10:50:11 | tohtorijep | if somebody knows.. plese tell me :) |
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| 10:50:43 | pondlife | tohtorijep: You should just enable last.fm support in settings AFAIK, no plugin needed. |
| 10:50:54 | tohtorijep | wow :) |
| 10:51:00 | Kasperle | tohtorijep: amarok and bmp2 support last.fm |
| 10:51:01 | mbishop | That reminds me, how exactly does the last.fm log function work? I mean I'm sure it just keeps a simple log of times/songs, but how does it interact with last.fm? |
| 10:51:11 | pondlife | I don't know if it actually works ;p |
| 10:51:18 | tohtorijep | really good :) |
| 10:51:32 | Kasperle | hrhr. i seem to recall there being some perl script? to submit the scrobbler.log to last.fm |
| 10:51:40 | tohtorijep | i just installed rockbox.. this is amazing |
| 10:51:41 | Kasperle | but i'm not sure myself |
| 10:52:00 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog |
| 10:52:03 | tohtorijep | though battery's life isnt so long but i can understand that.. so many functions |
| 10:52:46 | linuxstb | Isn't there a "QtScrobbler" ? That should hopefully work anywhere Qt does. |
| 10:52:52 | GodEater | doesn't have much to do with the number of functions |
| 10:53:01 | pondlife | tohtorijep: Get an Iriver Hxxx, Archos or Cowan DAP and the battery life will be fine - better than the OF. |
| 10:53:15 | tohtorijep | what are they? |
| 10:53:17 | GodEater | or Gigabeat |
| 10:53:34 | pixelma | but scrobbling on the Archos devices doesn't really work... |
| 10:53:41 | pondlife | GodEater: Sorry, forgot Gigabeat. |
| 10:53:43 | GodEater | tohtorijep: they're other brands of DAP |
| 10:53:50 | petur | qtscrobbler works very good |
| 10:53:53 | tohtorijep | DAP? :D |
| 10:53:54 | mbishop | I haven't checked my sansas battery life yet, doubt it's much different than the san disk firmware |
| 10:54:08 | tohtorijep | sry i'm noob at these things |
| 10:54:11 | pondlife | Anything that's not PortalPlayer (i.e. not ipod, Sansa, iRiver H10) |
| 10:54:12 | GodEater | pondlife: I think the jury is still out on "better than OF" battery life for the Gigabeat anyway, but it's definitely not worse |
| 10:54:16 | petur | http://qtscrob.sourceforge.net/ |
| 10:54:23 | GodEater | tohtorijep: DAP = Digital Audio Player |
| 10:54:29 | tohtorijep | o gay |
| 10:54:30 | tohtorijep | :) |
| 10:54:38 | mbishop | Why would sansa and others have less battery life? |
| 10:54:50 | tohtorijep | which player you recommend? |
| 10:55:02 | GodEater | tohtorijep: depends which features you're after |
| 10:55:17 | tohtorijep | hmm |
| 10:55:18 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=BuyersGuide |
| 10:55:47 | * | mbishop hugs his sansa |
| 10:55:55 | GodEater | mbishop: because PortalPlayer is an entirely undocumented platform for us, so there's oodles we don't know how to do |
| 10:55:56 | linuxstb | mbishop: Because they have a completely undocumented CPU (PortalPlayer). All other devices Rockbox runs on have public datasheets for the main components. |
| 10:56:13 | GodEater | the rockbox echo again... |
| 10:56:51 | petur | echo is normal in big rooms :) |
| 10:57:13 | pixelma | rooms... |
| 10:57:18 | GodEater | petur: depends on the furniture |
| 10:57:21 | GodEater | :) |
| 10:57:34 | petur | excatly, there is none in here |
| 10:57:45 | GodEater | very true |
| 10:57:49 | mbishop | Well, with 20 hours of normal battery life, I really don't care if rockbox knocks off an hour or two heh |
| 10:57:53 | tohtorijep | hmm why the battery life is longer in those players you recommended? |
| 10:58:08 | petur | otoh, most logged in here behave like furniture... |
| 10:58:10 | GodEater | tohtorijep: please read what linuxstb just said |
| 10:58:13 | tohtorijep | and why is it so short at this default player |
| 10:58:37 | tohtorijep | okay |
| 10:58:49 | tohtorijep | i didnt understand but i believe him |
| 10:59:40 | tohtorijep | maybe i install sansa player then |
| 10:59:58 | tohtorijep | because mbishop like it |
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| 11:00:01 | tohtorijep | s |
| 11:00:31 | GodEater | I'll be impressed if mbishop really gets 20 hours out of his sansa with Rockbox running on it |
| 11:00:31 | tohtorijep | what is the right place to download those? |
| 11:00:39 | GodEater | battery life is usually ~50% |
| 11:00:50 | tohtorijep | do i have to google every one separately |
| 11:01:10 | tohtorijep | GodEater, yes if you use the default DAP |
| 11:01:47 | tohtorijep | but it is possible to get batterys life even longer if better DAP is used |
| 11:02:09 | GodEater | hahaha - you've been here 10 minutes and you're telling me now |
| 11:02:21 | * | GodEater may need to turn in his expert badge |
| 11:02:35 | tohtorijep | yeah |
| 11:02:38 | mbishop | GodEater: 20 hours is what they claim with the default firmware |
| 11:03:00 | GodEater | mbishop: and you think you get close to this with RB too ? |
| 11:03:08 | pixelma | GodEater: I've seen a few people reporting that on the sansa rockbox is more up to par with the of in terms of battery life |
| 11:03:11 | tohtorijep | default firmware with nano 4GB: 7h |
| 11:03:32 | mbishop | I have no idea, but what I said was that if it loses a couple of hours I don't really care heh |
| 11:03:37 | GodEater | btw - a parcel of T-shirts and Mugs arrived last night. I've appropriated the XL T-Shirt and a mug for myself - who else gave Bagder their sizes ? |
| 11:03:51 | GodEater | pixelma: that's clever of us :) |
| 11:04:39 | GodEater | I have two mediums and a large left |
| 11:04:56 | pixelma | it would be more clever if we knew why... (or I don't understand you which is also likely) |
| 11:05:26 | GodEater | pixelma: that's more or less what I meant |
| 11:05:39 | tohtorijep | so many DAPs... hard to choose |
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| 11:06:05 | tohtorijep | what is the best if want battery life to be very long and few functions? |
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| 11:08:23 | tohtorijep | fast-forward/rewind, possible to choose next or previous song, volume up/down, elapsed time/full time, song name, artist name |
| 11:08:49 | TiMiD[FD] | the new files doesn't appear in the svn diff :( |
| 11:09:08 | pixelma | the M5L ("L" as in large battery) gives the best battery life but they are a bit hard to get |
| 11:10:01 | TiMiD[FD] | if I do a "svn status" I get |
| 11:10:08 | TiMiD[FD] | A + dir_uncached.h |
| 11:10:09 | TiMiD[FD] | R dir.h |
| 11:10:35 | TiMiD[FD] | but dir.h hasn't been removed, it has been moved to dir_uncached.h and replaced by a new file .. |
| 11:10:43 | TiMiD[FD] | someone familiar with svn here ? |
| 11:10:54 | dionoea | you need to add dir.h again |
| 11:11:00 | dionoea | since mv removes it (R) |
| 11:11:16 | TiMiD[FD] | that's what I did |
| 11:11:30 | dionoea | you ran svn add dir.h ? |
| 11:11:38 | TiMiD[FD] | yes |
| 11:11:45 | TiMiD[FD] | svn rename dir.h dir_uncached.h |
| 11:11:54 | TiMiD[FD] | and svn add dir.h |
| 11:12:07 | * | amiconn thinks an M3L would give even more runtime (same battery, but _no_ display) but its not yet supported |
| 11:12:21 | amiconn | No main display that is |
| 11:12:33 | linuxstb | That would test the screens api... |
| 11:13:06 | linuxstb | Similar hardware to the M5 though? |
| 11:13:20 | TiMiD[FD] | linuxstb: it probably wouldn't work since 0 components would be created |
| 11:14:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, but the M5 and X5 are more similar than the M3 to these 2 |
| 11:14:47 | amiconn | M3 has MCF5249, the others have MCF5250 |
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| 11:14:55 | amiconn | And the M3 doesn't have a PCF50605 |
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| 11:17:32 | GodEater | what display do you get then? A remote one or something ? |
| 11:17:46 | linuxstb | GodEater: http://www.t3.co.uk/reviews/entertainment/mp3_player/cowon_iaudio_m3l |
| 11:17:55 | GodEater | thanks ;) |
| 11:18:19 | GodEater | ooh - quite a nice looking DAP too |
| 11:18:37 | GodEater | oh hang on, that's one of the girls :) |
| 11:21:42 | petur | bah, it also uses that stupid subpack |
| 11:23:34 | lymeca | What lossy format takes the least amount of battery life for my 4G iPod with Rockbox to decode and playback? |
| 11:23:49 | lymeca | And which would cause the least amount of battery drainage within this lossy format: CBR, VBR, or (if it is supported) ABR? |
| 11:24:00 | pixelma | petur: I believe you can use it without it for the vital functions (charging/usb transfer) like the M5 |
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| 11:24:23 | pixelma | but for line-in you'll need a subpack |
| 11:24:27 | petur | define vital.... you can't use the line-in |
| 11:24:27 | tohtorijep | lol |
| 11:24:46 | tohtorijep | now this doesnt mount automaticly in ubuntu because i installed rockbox :( |
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| 11:26:19 | pixelma | GodEater: the remote it uses is the same as M5/X5 which is why it has such a big screen (for a remote) I believe |
| 11:26:45 | * | GodEater has yet to see a Cowon player in the "flesh" |
| 11:26:57 | tohtorijep | anybody using ubuntu? :o |
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| 11:29:26 | petur | yes |
| 11:31:42 | linuxstb | tohtorijep: You have a Sansa? |
| 11:33:06 | tohtorijep | i have the default |
| 11:33:09 | tohtorijep | just installed |
| 11:33:30 | linuxstb | Assuming you do, you need to use the original firmware for disk transfers. Easiest way is to just turn it off before inserting the USB cable - the Rockbox bootloader should then detect the USB cable and start the original firmware automatically. |
| 11:34:37 | linuxstb | tohtorijep: I was asking which kind of player you've installed Rockbox onto - Sansa, ipod, iriver, Archos, cowon, gigabeat .... |
| 11:35:00 | tohtorijep | it starts rockbox |
| 11:35:20 | tohtorijep | i plugged it to usb when it was off |
| 11:35:35 | tohtorijep | ok :D |
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| 11:35:37 | tohtorijep | i have ipod |
| 11:35:52 | linuxstb | Which kind? |
| 11:35:55 | tohtorijep | nano |
| 11:35:57 | tohtorijep | 4GB |
| 11:36:08 | tohtorijep | normally it mounts automatically to ubuntu |
| 11:36:19 | linuxstb | Then ignore what I said. |
| 11:36:24 | tohtorijep | no with rockbox it doesnt |
| 11:36:28 | tohtorijep | now* |
| 11:37:32 | linuxstb | What do you see on the screen when you insert the USB? If it's a colour USB icon, then you've hit a current Rockbox bug. It _should_ reboot into the Apple disk mode, but sometimes doesn't. You'll need to either enter disk mode or the original firmware manually before attaching the cable. |
| 11:38:58 | * | pixelma deletes the typed question "what do you see on the nano's scr... " to avoid echo ;) |
| 11:39:09 | tohtorijep | sry |
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| 11:39:56 | tohtorijep | i dont see any icons in ubuntu neither in nano |
| 11:40:03 | tohtorijep | nothing special |
| 11:40:48 | GodEater | you don't see anything on the nano's screen at all ? |
| 11:41:00 | tohtorijep | do i enable the disk mode with putting database load to RAM? |
| 11:41:01 | tohtorijep | i see |
| 11:41:11 | tohtorijep | same is i put it on without the usb cable |
| 11:41:14 | tohtorijep | as* |
| 11:41:45 | pixelma | what version of rockbox did you install - where do you have it from? |
| 11:42:21 | tohtorijep | wait |
| 11:42:56 | tohtorijep | there was some kind of tutorial |
| 11:43:01 | tohtorijep | fuck |
| 11:43:46 | tohtorijep | i have version r13938-070720 |
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| 11:49:11 | tohtorijep | how this mounting can be so hard |
| 11:49:52 | TiMiD[FD] | added the missing file to the patch : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7457 |
| 11:50:25 | pixelma | tohtorijep: did you try to enter disk mode manually - "Menu + Select" to reboot, then "Select + Play" when it reboots? |
| 11:50:34 | TiMiD[FD] | I hope it'll work this time ... |
| 11:52:13 | tohtorijep | it doesnt work |
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| 11:52:26 | tohtorijep | reboot works but not that select play thing |
| 11:52:46 | tohtorijep | wow |
| 11:52:48 | tohtorijep | now it worked |
| 11:53:06 | tohtorijep | but no effect |
| 11:54:06 | tohtorijep | no mounting |
| 11:54:16 | GodEater | when you use plugin_get_buffer(&bufleft) I assume the size of the buffer gets written into the bufleft parameter, but I cant' find that written down anywhere to confirm my assumption? |
| 11:57:18 | tohtorijep | [26177.910824] usb 2-6: USB disconnect, address 2 |
| 11:57:42 | tohtorijep | there is some information with dmesg.. but how i know where in /dev/ is the usb device |
| 11:57:51 | tohtorijep | so i can manually try to mount it |
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| 12:00:40 | petur | tohtorijep: we use the usb connectivity of the original firmware, so you just boot into apple OS and then connect as you did before, rockbox has nothing to do with it (yet) |
| 12:01:56 | tohtorijep | i have windows software |
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| 12:02:17 | tohtorijep | and linux and rockbox with default features |
| 12:02:43 | tohtorijep | this should work |
| 12:02:46 | pondlife | petur: Thanks. Sadly the leak is near the main fuseboard |
| 12:03:14 | * | petur repaired a leak in his roof last week ;) |
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| 12:11:03 | tohtorijep | wow now it started working... i put it to other usb-plug :OOO |
| 12:17:05 | linuxstb | GodEater: Yes - the parameter returns the size of the buffer. |
| 12:17:45 | linuxstb | tohtorijep: It's possible the failed attempts broke the Linux usb driver - I get that sometimes, and need to switch to a different USB port. It works again after I reboot. |
| 12:19:19 | tohtorijep | okay.. great |
| 12:19:26 | tohtorijep | or not.. but now it works :D |
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| 12:19:37 | tohtorijep | linuxstb, which linux distro you are using? |
| 12:23:42 | linuxstb | Debian |
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| 12:51:35 | raphi | is it possible with the sansa e200 and rockbox to read the external microsd-card? |
| 12:54:10 | petur | raphi: I think so, yes |
| 12:54:59 | raphi | petur: ok, can you say for sure?- do you own one? |
| 12:55:26 | petur | no, but support was added some time ago... |
| 12:55:40 | petur | just try it |
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| 12:57:21 | GodEater | can anyone explain the format of viewers.config to me ? What does the number do ? |
| 12:58:35 | raphi | petur: i can't try it, because i wan't to buy one :-D |
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| 13:00:11 | Nico_P | GodEater: the number is related to icons |
| 13:00:48 | GodEater | ah - so I can put "-" for no icon ? |
| 13:01:19 | Nico_P | I think that's it |
| 13:01:20 | Nico_P | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons |
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| 13:14:28 | pondlife | Nico_P: Any playback stuff ready for testing yet? Or too much Real Life? |
| 13:14:42 | Nico_P | no, too much Real Life |
| 13:14:45 | pondlife | :) |
| 13:14:52 | pondlife | No worries |
| 13:15:24 | Nico_P | pondlife: were there any brilliant ideas about how to manage the metadata block ? |
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| 13:15:47 | pondlife | Nico_P: I thought you decided it was fine as you have it? i.e. no need to move |
| 13:15:58 | pondlife | But I've not read the logs recently |
| 13:15:58 | Nico_P | not sure... |
| 13:16:07 | Nico_P | there was a big discussion recently |
| 13:16:14 | Nico_P | let me find it for you |
| 13:16:56 | Nico_P | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070718#22:36:32 |
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| 13:17:25 | * | pondlife reads |
| 13:18:01 | * | petur also reads... BOFH :) |
| 13:18:09 | Nico_P | hehe :) |
| 13:18:43 | pondlife | Friday already :/ |
| 13:19:07 | * | pondlife wants an extra weekday inserting between Thursday and Friday |
| 13:20:15 | Nico_P | I'll go take a shower while you read :) |
| 13:20:29 | Nico_P | I'd be glad to hear your thoughts |
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| 13:31:39 | * | amiconn would like extra days inserted between Saturday & Sunday |
| 13:31:45 | * | petur too |
| 13:31:57 | * | pondlife too, althought that's greedy |
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| 13:36:22 | Nico_P | pondlife: interesting read ? |
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| 13:37:41 | pondlife | Nico_P: Off the top of my head - use two blocks for each file (one for the metadata, another for the audio). Both can be ring-buffers (although the metadata should not need to make use of this). The audio can be marked as free as it is played and the metadata when the track has finished. Now I need to think about fragmentation!! |
| 13:38:20 | pondlife | I would think you can freely move metadata if needed. This should be accessed via bufgetdata anyway. |
| 13:38:22 | Nico_P | pondlife: that's what I was thinking of, but apparently it can cause a waste of space |
| 13:38:29 | Nico_P | yes |
| 13:38:29 | pondlife | It can. |
| 13:38:55 | pondlife | The important thing is that the audio data uses all of the free space. |
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| 13:39:16 | pondlife | Maybe this just results in a (movable) barrier between metadata and audio? |
| 13:39:42 | * | pondlife just got to the bit about snakes |
| 13:40:03 | Nico_P | :) |
| 13:40:13 | pondlife | Little snakes :p |
| 13:40:23 | pondlife | This analogy is falling to bits... |
| 13:40:24 | * | Nico_P was tired that evening |
| 13:40:35 | pondlife | How about an armadillo carrying ants? |
| 13:41:04 | pondlife | Wouldn't snakes potentially result in hiss? |
| 13:41:43 | Nico_P | :p |
| 13:41:56 | pondlife | Anyway, moving blocks isn't a problem, as long as you don't lose track of them. |
| 13:43:03 | pondlife | You have a locking mechanism already, right? So you know what's being accessed? |
| 13:43:12 | Nico_P | the code already has block moving implemented |
| 13:43:20 | Nico_P | locking ? |
| 13:43:27 | Nico_P | I don't have any locking |
| 13:43:38 | Nico_P | but I know what I can overwrite |
| 13:44:05 | pondlife | Ah - you don't want to move or overwrite the data that's being accessed by a caller to bufgetdata |
| 13:44:22 | pondlife | I thought you said you knew what that was? |
| 13:45:33 | pondlife | How do you know when a codec has finished with a block, for example? |
| 13:45:40 | Nico_P | it calls bufadvance |
| 13:45:52 | Nico_P | or bufseek |
| 13:46:00 | pondlife | OK, so data is locked by bufgetdata, then unlocked by bufadvance/bufseek |
| 13:46:12 | Nico_P | in fact I think what you call locking is implemented with the reading position |
| 13:46:15 | Nico_P | yes, that's it |
| 13:46:27 | pondlife | OK, so don't attempt to move that bit! |
| 13:50:26 | Nico_P | but there's no problem if we move the whole chunk ? |
| 13:50:40 | Nico_P | for example a metadata block can be moved |
| 13:50:56 | Nico_P | even thoug its reading position will always be 0 |
| 13:51:03 | pondlife | Any block can be moved, as long as you avoid a locked area. |
| 13:51:22 | pondlife | I would avoid making special cases for metadata and not-metadata. |
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| 13:52:05 | pondlife | The outside world should just be able to lock it with bufgetdata() and then call something else when it's finished (bufseek() will do). |
| 13:52:35 | Nico_P | yes but the metadata users won't want to use bufadvance/bufseek |
| 13:52:46 | Nico_P | that changes what bufgetdata will return |
| 13:53:05 | Nico_P | and metadata users always want to read the whole block... |
| 13:54:49 | pondlife | Metadata users could use bufread() maybe? |
| 13:55:02 | pondlife | That makes a copy, so no need to lock anything. |
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| 13:56:56 | pondlife | Or they can bufgetdata() the block, then do a bufseek() when done. |
| 13:58:12 | Nico_P | to me they would use bufgetdata every time they need to read the data and bufclose when the audio file is finished reading |
| 13:58:32 | pondlife | That would work fine too. |
| 13:58:33 | Nico_P | but in fact the reading position only protects the data from being overwritten |
| 13:58:52 | pondlife | So, the metadata gets it's own bufapi handle? |
| 13:59:06 | Nico_P | I don't see why not |
| 13:59:54 | pondlife | Then you just need to make sure that you can free up a large contiguous space just before you spin up the disk, right? |
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| 14:00:56 | pondlife | Like I said - this is off the top of my head...beware! |
| 14:01:18 | pondlife | I'm hoping that the use of an API will give you flexibility enough to deal with this. |
| 14:02:04 | pondlife | Any caller who keeps pointers to unlocked data will be sorely disappointed... |
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| 14:13:28 | zorgg | anyone know why winxp doesn't pickup my ipod as an external drive? the machine has usb 1.1 not usb 2.0 - could that be the issue? |
| 14:15:57 | bluebrother | zorgg: not really −− is the Ipod in disc mode? |
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| 14:20:10 | zorgg | nah |
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| 14:23:52 | bluebrother | zorgg: well, then try putting it manually in disc mode |
| 14:27:52 | linuxstb | pondlife: I'm not sure the APIs for accessing metadata and the file contents should be the same (if that's what you're saying) - they're two completely different concepts, and just happen to be sharing the same buffer. |
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| 14:29:24 | Nico_P | linuxstb: what do you suggest ? |
| 14:30:34 | zorgg | sorry was afk |
| 14:30:36 | zorgg | it works now |
| 14:30:42 | linuxstb | To access the metadata, you just need a function that returns a pointer to the metadata structure. I don't think you even want to lock it - the calling function should assume that after it next yields, the pointer could be invalid. |
| 14:30:50 | zorgg | pc is just uber slow so it took time to read the disk contents :P |
| 14:30:55 | zorgg | thanks |
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| 14:31:53 | linuxstb | .. Or maybe we do want to lock it, but it shouldn't be locked for very long - as it would hold up rebuffering. |
| 14:32:05 | Nico_P | linuxstb: well I think bufgetdata is perfectly suited for this |
| 14:32:28 | linuxstb | No, because bufgetdata takes the size as an input parameter. |
| 14:32:46 | linuxstb | And locks the data until advance_pointer or seek is done - two things you don't do with metadata... |
| 14:33:03 | Nico_P | size could be 0 when the caller doesn't know how much he wants |
| 14:33:36 | Nico_P | the data isn't actually locked... it's just that the read pos isn't moved |
| 14:33:39 | linuxstb | I would prefer a clean split at the API level. You're of course free to implement them in the same way internally in the buffering code. |
| 14:33:50 | Nico_P | so the data can't be overwritten, but nothing prevents us from moving it |
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| 14:35:12 | Nico_P | so what would the API function be ? |
| 14:35:24 | linuxstb | Also, with the metadata, it's not the responsibility of the calling function to free it. |
| 14:35:38 | linuxstb | It's freed when the track it belongs to is finished. |
| 14:36:10 | Nico_P | so bufgetmetdata() whith responsibilities different from bufgetdata()? |
| 14:36:14 | linuxstb | I guess just something like (struct metadata*) get_metadata_struct(int tracknum); |
| 14:36:52 | linuxstb | But I'm not sure how the current code accesses the track metadata... |
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| 15:01:54 | pondlife | I'd think that the buffering API shouldn't be concerned with the contents of the data at all. |
| 15:02:09 | pondlife | That can be handled by the next layer up |
| 15:03:07 | pondlife | A get_metadata() could certainly do that, built on top of a generic buffer handler. |
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| 15:07:43 | DarkED | hey all |
| 15:07:58 | DarkED | i wanted to ask you guys something |
| 15:08:14 | DarkED | can rockbox play divx/xvid files w/o the need for conversion? |
| 15:08:20 | n1s | DarkED: no |
| 15:08:32 | DarkED | n1s: so the standard ipod video formats apply, yes? |
| 15:09:06 | n1s | DarkED: no, our Mpegplayer plugin can only play mpeg 1/2 video |
| 15:09:12 | DarkED | ahh okay |
| 15:09:19 | DarkED | thanks |
| 15:09:20 | n1s | and it's rather slow on ipod video |
| 15:09:25 | GodEater | which isn't the same as the standard ipod formats |
| 15:09:27 | dionoea | and if you have a video ipod you shouldn't use rockbox to play video |
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| 15:09:36 | DarkED | yeah i see now |
| 15:09:52 | DarkED | i use it half for video and half for music... so i guess i'll stick with the normal firmware |
| 15:10:26 | DarkED | one more question... any of you guys ever have a problem converting a video to play on an ipod and it was flipped vertically? |
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| 15:15:45 | linuxstb | pondlife: Maybe, but do we need an extra API layer? |
| 15:18:24 | tohtorijep | what ogg quality in bitrates or -q 1-10 is similiar to lame -V 0 |
| 15:18:33 | tohtorijep | (offtopic) |
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| 15:24:09 | pondlife | linuxstb: It would be a very thin layer. I was hoping that buffering could be generic enough to be used for video etc. too.. |
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| 15:29:38 | lazka | tohtorijep: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Recommended_Ogg_Vorbis#Recommended_Encoder_Settings |
| 15:30:46 | lazka | tohtorijep: and here the lame table: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Lame#VBR_.28variable_bitrate.29_settings |
| 15:32:21 | tohtorijep | thks. |
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| 15:35:01 | tohtorijep | -q 6 is maybe good for oggs.. same as -V 0 I bet |
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| 15:44:24 | tohtorijep | lazka, there are no comparisons which bitrate sounds and is same quality as another codec's |
| 15:44:43 | tohtorijep | 192kbs mp3 is not same as 192kbps ogg |
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| 16:03:38 | lazka | tohtorijep: you can't really write that down in numbers... the only thing you can do: read the 128kbit listening test (http://www.rjamorim.com/test/multiformat128/results.html) so you can get a feeling.. |
| 16:04:15 | tohtorijep | i think i'm gonna use oggenc -q 5 |
| 16:05:06 | tohtorijep | ~160kbps |
| 16:07:24 | tohtorijep | but anyways.. it doesnt matter if you dont hear the difference yourself but i want to be prepaded for better equipments |
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| 16:11:46 | lazka | tohtorijep: you could ABX some files... |
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| 16:15:55 | tohtorijep | maybe not.. this crackles :S |
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| 16:19:09 | tohtorijep | to which directory you usually put your music? i dont think that you use the default iPod_Control/Music/? |
| 16:19:31 | tohtorijep | i mean it makes copying really hard |
| 16:19:49 | tohtorijep | it puts all files separately different directories |
| 16:20:01 | GodEater | tohtorijep: put it wherever you like |
| 16:20:07 | GodEater | Rockbox doesn't care |
| 16:20:11 | tohtorijep | hehe |
| 16:21:23 | petur | tohtorijep: many of us use /music/A/artist/cd |
| 16:22:09 | tohtorijep | yeah |
| 16:23:16 | tohtorijep | is it hard to edit themes? |
| 16:23:28 | tohtorijep | sry this asking XD |
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| 16:24:33 | GodEater | 'hard' is relative to lots of people |
| 16:24:38 | GodEater | some people find it easy, others don't |
| 16:24:55 | GodEater | if you follow the wiki guidelines though it's fairly straightforward |
| 16:26:20 | tohtorijep | okay then |
| 16:32:55 | * | GodEater 's brain makes fizzling noises as it shorts out. |
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| 16:35:04 | tohtorijep | X) |
| 16:35:10 | tohtorijep | crumblenaut |
| 16:36:17 | GodEater | any listwidget experts here that are feeling charitable ? |
| 16:36:32 | GodEater | the wiki page on it is making my head hurt |
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| 16:44:57 | tohtorijep | people sleep |
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| 16:55:18 | petur | desowin: I hope you don't mind I added the QTScrobbler project to ohloh ( http://www.ohloh.net/projects/6737 ) |
| 16:55:43 | desowin | advistering is always welcome |
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| 18:09:48 | Soap | Whose butt shall I kiss? I want to punish the wicked. Smite the heathen, and get all those "sync please!" messages out of FS. |
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| 18:16:21 | * | Nico_P went to collect 1420€ today... thanks google :D |
| 18:16:38 | * | desowin did that too :D |
| 18:16:38 | daurnimator | thanks adblock? |
| 18:16:43 | TiMiD[FD] | Slasheri: patch for the matter discussed yesterday (dircache and posix api) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7457 |
| 18:16:45 | desowin | Summer of Code |
| 18:16:58 | bluebrother | nice amount. |
| 18:17:05 | daurnimator | what did you do? |
| 18:17:16 | * | bluebrother wants to get paid coding rockbox too |
| 18:17:55 | desowin | daurnimator: Nico_P and I are Summer of Code students, Nico_P is working for rockbox, I am working for audacious |
| 18:18:28 | daurnimator | what did chew make? |
| 18:18:55 | Nico_P | daurnimator: I'm working on MoB |
| 18:19:02 | Nico_P | ie metadata on buffer |
| 18:19:13 | Nico_P | which will allow album art in official builds |
| 18:19:18 | daurnimator | Meta.... over... brain? |
| 18:19:24 | daurnimator | heh, close enough |
| 18:23:51 | ptw419 | maybe next year i have a better shot at gsoc student ;) |
| 18:24:06 | daurnimator | maybe next year they could actually hold it in summer |
| 18:24:13 | daurnimator | ... my summe |
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| 18:30:08 | Slasheri | TiMiD[FD]: checking that :) |
| 18:30:25 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
| 18:31:12 | TiMiD[FD] | the diff is a little unreadeable because there is a moved file |
| 18:31:21 | TiMiD[FD] | (lots of - and +) |
| 18:34:53 | Slasheri | at least on quick look that looks ok, nice and clean :) |
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| 18:35:41 | TiMiD[FD] | well it's only a cosmetic patch :) |
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| 18:43:41 | pondlife | Maybe GSoC could happen twice a year? |
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| 18:45:03 | desowin | pondlife: well, im most countries students have holidays during the time GSoC is on |
| 18:45:26 | pondlife | I meant to allow for both hemispheres... it's only fair. |
| 18:45:36 | pondlife | Anyway.. Pity petur's not around... I'm just off to a beer festival (training for Tuesday maybe). |
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| 18:50:07 | TiMiD[FD] | is there a reason why the languages updates in the tracker are not commited ? |
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| 18:53:23 | desowin | TiMiD[FD]: nobody who has commit access wants to commit those as for now? |
| 18:53:42 | Nico_P | TiMiD[FD]: point me to the entries and I might do it |
| 18:53:57 | TiMiD[FD] | I have commit access too but ... |
| 18:54:07 | TiMiD[FD] | Nico_P: just go to the tracker |
| 18:54:12 | TiMiD[FD] | there are lots of them |
| 18:54:19 | Nico_P | :) |
| 18:54:36 | TiMiD[FD] | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?string=language&project=1&search_name=&type%5B%5D=4&sev%5B%5D=&pri%5B%5D=&due%5B%5D=&reported%5B%5D=&cat%5B%5D=&status%5B%5D=open&percent%5B%5D=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto=&do=index |
| 18:54:40 | desowin | leave them to linuxstb, he has to keep most lines changed ;-) |
| 18:54:47 | desowin | lol |
| 18:54:59 | Nico_P | desowin: I need to increase my count :) |
| 18:56:05 | TiMiD[FD] | gave fun then |
| 18:56:08 | Llorean | TiMiD[FD]: It looks like several just weren't kept up to sync in time to be committed. |
| 18:56:10 | TiMiD[FD] | have |
| 18:56:54 | TiMiD[FD] | even if they are not synched they still provide new translations |
| 18:57:09 | TiMiD[FD] | so it's always woth taking |
| 18:57:34 | Nico_P | lang files are supposed to be latin1 ? |
| 18:57:52 | TiMiD[FD] | unicode I suppose |
| 18:58:13 | TiMiD[FD] | just try to open one |
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| 18:59:55 | TiMiD[FD] | Slasheri: so ok to commit ? |
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| 19:00:11 | Nico_P | looks like the patch from FS #7425 changes so strings from unicode to latin1 |
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| 19:00:53 | TiMiD[FD] | indeed |
| 19:00:53 | Slasheri | TiMiD[FD]: i think so :) |
| 19:00:57 | digin4 | hi, themes doesn't show background pics, how can i enable that?:) |
| 19:01:14 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
| 19:01:32 | TiMiD[FD] | soif it break I won't take the entire responsability :p |
| 19:01:51 | Slasheri | :D |
| 19:03:06 | TiMiD[FD] | ok now I have to find something intelligent to put into the -m "" |
| 19:03:20 | digin4 | shouldn't themes show backgrounds by default when you select them? |
| 19:05:47 | digin4 | x_X |
| 19:05:50 | digin4 | X_x |
| 19:05:50 | PaulJam | digin4: i guess that depends on the theme. some of them don't come with a backdrop. |
| 19:05:50 | digin4 | 8[] |
| 19:05:56 | Nico_P | TiMiD[FD]: what are you committing ? |
| 19:06:13 | digin4 | ah, and how do i select backdrops, where from?:D |
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| 19:07:44 | TiMiD[FD] | Nico_P: something difficult to explain when you're still a little drunk |
| 19:07:52 | Nico_P | ok :) |
| 19:08:19 | TiMiD[FD] | their korean sake was strong |
| 19:08:58 | PaulJam | digin4: you put a 24bit bitmap file with your screen resolution to .rockbox/backdrops/ and select the "set as backdrop" option in the context menu of the file. |
| 19:09:26 | TiMiD[FD] | hop input my password and sent all that mess on svn |
| 19:10:31 | TiMiD[FD] | if your directories are not working anymore after that, you will thank me |
| 19:11:02 | TiMiD[FD] | but I trust myself ... |
| 19:11:12 | digin4 | thanks PaulJam |
| 19:13:37 | TiMiD[FD] | ah too bad I cannot see the build result in the build table |
| 19:13:44 | TiMiD[FD] | it doesn't show my commit |
| 19:14:05 | digin4 | thanks PaulJam :) |
| 19:15:19 | PaulJam | digin4: no problem |
| 19:16:34 | TiMiD[FD] | I won't be able to rest in peace until I know my commit hasn't generated a christmas tree on the build page ... |
| 19:18:46 | TiMiD[FD] | is there also a reason why all source files are encoded in iso ? |
| 19:19:03 | bluebrother | I guess it's historic reasons only |
| 19:19:40 | TiMiD[FD] | shouldn't it be changed ? most editors todays support unicode pretty decently .... |
| 19:19:49 | bluebrother | the manual was iso too until we got a name in the credits that required to switch to utf8 ;-) |
| 19:19:59 | bluebrother | well, does this also apply on windows? |
| 19:20:04 | TiMiD[FD] | and each time I have to open a file I have to switch |
| 19:20:25 | TiMiD[FD] | even notepad supports unicode :) |
| 19:20:39 | saratoga | linuxstb: ping |
| 19:20:46 | bluebrother | hehe ... not an issue for me, my system runs utf8 since quite a while now ... |
| 19:20:57 | TiMiD[FD] | same for me ... |
| 19:21:01 | bluebrother | but I never found out if it's possible running windows utf based. |
| 19:21:11 | TiMiD[FD] | I don't have the choice anyway |
| 19:21:31 | bluebrother | another option would be to just use ascii only in the sources. |
| 19:21:41 | TiMiD[FD] | it would be a mess to handle both french and jp source codes without that |
| 19:21:51 | bluebrother | indeed. |
| 19:21:52 | TiMiD[FD] | eventually |
| 19:22:13 | TiMiD[FD] | that's what I finally did for my source code in rb |
| 19:22:34 | TiMiD[FD] | gave up my name's accent |
| 19:23:03 | bluebrother | who needs accents anyway? ;-) |
| 19:23:11 | TiMiD[FD] | haha |
| 19:23:16 | TiMiD[FD] | accents are cool :) |
| 19:23:33 | bluebrother | well, we don't have any here in germany. Only these umlauts ... |
| 19:23:50 | bluebrother | most (?) of the web pages are still iso, too. |
| 19:23:55 | TiMiD[FD] | and the ss |
| 19:24:01 | TiMiD[FD] | etset |
| 19:24:16 | bluebrother | yeah. But I think I can count this as umlaut |
| 19:24:26 | TiMiD[FD] | as a non ascii yes |
| 19:25:03 | TiMiD[FD] | I don't see what would prevent us from doing that |
| 19:25:37 | TiMiD[FD] | I mean with the BOM at the beginning of the utf-8 files, most editors detect the encoding appropriately |
| 19:25:43 | bluebrother | well, I also don't see a reason against switching to utf8. Have done that in all places I could do. |
| 19:26:00 | bluebrother | bom ... reminds me of that bom-skipping in Rockbox. |
| 19:26:29 | TiMiD[FD] | gcc handles it without problem at least |
| 19:27:20 | * | bluebrother notices there was a support question in the tracker once again :( Why do users always scream "bug" in the first place? |
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| 19:28:11 | TiMiD[FD] | -_- |
| 19:28:48 | TiMiD[FD] | why isn't the build page updating ? :( |
| 19:29:03 | TiMiD[FD] | my commit was too much for it |
| 19:29:05 | bluebrother | build server hanging? |
| 19:29:07 | TiMiD[FD] | I broke it |
| 19:29:16 | Llorean | TiMiD[FD]: An svn update doesn't show me your commit. |
| 19:29:27 | TiMiD[FD] | it's shown on the main page |
| 19:29:49 | Llorean | Hm |
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| 19:29:56 | Llorean | I guess it does show me your commit, and I'm just silly |
| 19:30:27 | TiMiD[FD] | too bad |
| 19:30:49 | bluebrother | svn up works here. I guess it's just the build master hanging. |
| 19:30:57 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
| 19:31:10 | TiMiD[FD] | then no need to wrry |
| 19:31:21 | TiMiD[FD] | I tested on several targets anyway |
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| 19:32:57 | linuxstb | saratoga: ? |
| 19:37:44 | mirak | hi |
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| 19:39:17 | Snake | Hi guys |
| 19:39:29 | linuxstb | TiMiD[FD]: Looks like your "svn mv" didn't work... There's no SVN history for dir_uncached.c for example. |
| 19:39:46 | TiMiD[FD] | shit happens ... |
| 19:40:25 | linuxstb | Huh? |
| 19:40:26 | TiMiD[FD] | I wonder how to fix that .... |
| 19:43:11 | Snake | can I install rockbox without losing my music? |
| 19:43:17 | Snake | and does it support id3tags? |
| 19:43:26 | TiMiD[FD] | sure |
| 19:44:09 | mirak | Snake: depends your player |
| 19:44:19 | Snake | mirak: ipod 5.5g 80gig |
| 19:44:22 | saratoga | linuxstb: is there any reason not to precompute large arrays and add them to wmadata.h? |
| 19:44:24 | mirak | I guess ipods need to be reformated totaly in fat32 or something ? |
| 19:44:44 | Snake | im.. really not sure |
| 19:44:46 | mirak | since it can't read on apple partition |
| 19:44:51 | saratoga | would a 32kb array be excessively large for instance? |
| 19:44:52 | Snake | fsck. |
| 19:44:59 | mirak | Snake: ? |
| 19:45:20 | Snake | bah screw it, I guess ill just reload everything |
| 19:45:24 | Snake | I hope rockbox is worth it |
| 19:45:26 | Snake | ipl wasnt |
| 19:45:30 | PaulJam | only some ipods need to be formatted. i think most of them are already FAT32 |
| 19:45:33 | mirak | Snake: what do you want ? |
| 19:45:45 | Snake | mirak: I want to put rockbox on my ipod without losing the music |
| 19:45:47 | Snake | lol |
| 19:46:09 | mirak | Snake: the interface is not as good as ipods origin one. but well rockbox as so much more features that it's really worth it |
| 19:46:10 | PaulJam | Snake: are you using your ipod with windows? |
| 19:46:12 | Llorean | Snake: Generally it's a good idea to perhaps read the manual and get a feel for what's offered, rather than just diving in and saying "I hope it's worth it." |
| 19:46:41 | Llorean | mirak: Don't state that as if it's objective. Many of us prefer Rockbox's interface to the Apple one. |
| 19:46:43 | mirak | Llorean: you forgot he bought an ipod ^^ |
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| 19:46:55 | Snake | Llorean: yeah I was reading around a bit, but I guess ill give it a shot, I mainly want to play gameboy games :D |
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| 19:47:04 | Snake | PaulJam: windows, and im on linux right now with it |
| 19:47:29 | mirak | Llorean: I have a iriver h320, and rockbox can match easily this interface, but well, ipod one is pretty I find |
| 19:47:46 | Llorean | mirak: "Pretty" does not mean "Better" thought |
| 19:47:59 | PaulJam | Snake: then you don't need to reformat. (afauk windows wouldn't be able to read an HFS formatted ipod) |
| 19:48:04 | mirak | Snake: as I said, rockbox probably can't read, and not writte |
| 19:48:16 | Snake | PaulJam: yay |
| 19:48:26 | Snake | mirak: my ipod is in a fat32 format ;) |
| 19:48:27 | mirak | Llorean: depends if you think better means more functiionality |
| 19:48:33 | mirak | Snake: so it's ok |
| 19:49:04 | mirak | Snake: you don't use itunes ? |
| 19:49:04 | Llorean | mirak: Better means a variety of things, but a user interface's first job is to interface with the user. Which means providing them access to the device. |
| 19:49:11 | Llorean | So, ease of use, functionality, and appearance. |
| 19:49:23 | TiMiD[FD] | I used the ipod fw once and I thought it's usablility really sucks compared to rockbox |
| 19:49:24 | Snake | mirak: well sorta, i used it to put a few vids on but thats it |
| 19:49:25 | mirak | I though apple firmware couldn't read mp3 from fat32 partition |
| 19:49:27 | Llorean | Including menu layouts and button choice. |
| 19:49:28 | Snake | itunes is worthless |
| 19:49:36 | mirak | Snake: or is it just drmed tunes |
| 19:50:03 | Snake | mirak: neither man, all my music is mp3 unrestricted |
| 19:50:10 | Snake | cd ripped :) |
| 19:50:29 | mirak | I don't know about apple firmware possibility, I was asking |
| 19:50:30 | Llorean | mirak: iPods come in two varieties. HFS+ and FAT32. FAT32 require no reformat, HFS+ require a reformat. One is designed for use with Macs, the other Windows |
| 19:50:50 | mirak | ah |
| 19:50:51 | Llorean | They don't have any features that the other doesn't other than which sorts of computers you can hook them up to and expect to have them wrk. |
| 19:50:57 | mirak | didn't knew there was special ipods |
| 19:51:02 | Snake | their not guys |
| 19:51:16 | Snake | when your ipod is innically connected it figures out how it should set it self up |
| 19:51:19 | Snake | iirc |
| 19:51:22 | Snake | ;) |
| 19:51:38 | Snake | kind of foolish to release two diffrent skus just based on a hard drive format, dont you think? |
| 19:52:25 | Llorean | Snake: Well, my iPod came FAT32 formatted. |
| 19:52:34 | Llorean | Are you saying that if I'd plugged it into a mac it would've been reformatted? |
| 19:52:44 | Snake | not reformatted |
| 19:52:45 | Llorean | Because it's somewhat unlikely it formatted itself. |
| 19:52:50 | Snake | but if you plugged it into the mac first |
| 19:52:57 | Snake | I think the mac would have formated it to hfs |
| 19:53:01 | Snake | just my thought |
| 19:53:09 | Llorean | Well that would be "reformatted" |
| 19:53:12 | Snake | especially considering when you purchase the ipod, they dont know what kind of comp your using it on |
| 19:53:13 | Llorean | As I said, it came FAT32 formatted. |
| 19:53:54 | Snake | they probably figure both osx and win can read fat32, if its osx though, I do think it would have been reformatted |
| 19:54:04 | Snake | but I may be crazy, so take it with a grain of salt |
| 19:54:09 | * | Snake tosses some salt to Llorean |
| 19:55:02 | saratoga | Snake: I believe all ipods come fat32 formated, and then if you plug it into a Mac the first time its reformated at hfs+ |
| 19:55:04 | linuxstb | saratoga: I think it would make sense to precompute it, but I wouldn't say I felt strongly either way. Pre-computing makes the program harder to maintain. |
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| 19:55:22 | saratoga | linuxstb: ok |
| 19:55:24 | Llorean | Either way, HFS+ formatted iPods must be converted to FAT32 before Rockbox can run. |
| 19:55:31 | Snake | hehe |
| 19:55:51 | saratoga | mainly i want to precompute the noise tables because they're very difficult to compute in fixed precision |
| 19:56:17 | saratoga | the numbers used to compute them span ~ 40 bits |
| 19:56:36 | Llorean | saratoga: Were Gen 1/2 ever FAT32? I seem to recall the initial iPods being a mac-only kinda thing? |
| 19:57:13 | Snake | Llorean: your right |
| 19:57:16 | saratoga | LLorean: I know the 1G was initially hfs only, but I don't know if it stayed that way |
| 19:57:36 | linuxstb | I'm pretty sure you can get "Windows" versions of the 1st gen. |
| 19:57:48 | Snake | Llorean: they wernt really mac only, but itunes was a mac only app, and they only worked with firewire (which PCs largly ignored) |
| 19:58:12 | Snake | it wasnt till the 3rd gen that usb was introduced |
| 19:58:17 | Llorean | Snake: If they didn't have a FAT32 format they were mac-only |
| 19:58:23 | linuxstb | itunes being mac-only pretty much made ipods mac-only as well... |
| 19:58:25 | saratoga | the 1.0 firmware was hfs only, but they could have added fat32 later on (the 1.0 ipods had a lot of firmware updates, originally they didn't even do AAC let alone DRM or ALAC) |
| 19:59:17 | Snake | wow |
| 19:59:24 | Snake | what a handy little tool for linux |
| 19:59:29 | Snake | [INFO] Scanning disk devices... |
| 19:59:29 | Snake | [INFO] Ipod found - Video (aka 5th Generation) ("winpod") - /dev/sd |
| 19:59:31 | Snake | :) |
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| 20:00:09 | linuxstb | Yes, it's good... |
| 20:00:53 | Snake | wow man |
| 20:00:54 | Snake | that was |
| 20:00:55 | Snake | really |
| 20:00:57 | Snake | really easy |
| 20:01:32 | Snake | thats awesome, bravo rockbox team |
| 20:07:23 | Nico_P | linuxstb: :p |
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| 20:32:31 | Snake | so does this thing come with the gameboy extension pre-installed?? |
| 20:32:37 | Snake | I just gotta drop a rom on it or what? |
| 20:32:41 | Llorean | Snake: Please read the manual |
| 20:33:01 | Snake | Llorean: k |
| 20:33:12 | Snake | Llorean: all it said was to select the game though? |
| 20:33:23 | Llorean | And it's right? |
| 20:33:38 | Snake | huh? |
| 20:33:46 | Llorean | Have you tried it? |
| 20:33:51 | BK1 | Snake, yes, just select the game |
| 20:33:51 | Snake | No, thats why I asked |
| 20:33:59 | Snake | do I just drop the rom on the ipod? |
| 20:34:03 | BK1 | yes |
| 20:34:08 | Snake | and what gameboy games does it support? just original? |
| 20:34:13 | Snake | or can I get advanced/color? |
| 20:34:57 | Llorean | Snake: It says clearly "Gameboy and Gameboy color" in the manual. |
| 20:34:58 | BK1 | you can use color |
| 20:35:23 | Snake | thank you |
| 20:35:44 | Llorean | It also says to "open the file in the file browser", which of course you can't do unless you put the file on your iPod. What about it left it unclear that you need to put the ROM on your iPod? |
| 20:36:27 | Llorean | If we can improve the manual to be more clear on these points, it would be helpful. |
| 20:36:30 | Snake | Llorean: I just wanted to make sure there were no other steps I was over looking |
| 20:36:43 | Snake | perhaps put a "Its just that easy!" at the end ;) |
| 20:36:44 | Snake | :D |
| 20:36:57 | BK1 | Perhaps just do what it says :) |
| 20:37:10 | Snake | I could do that too :) |
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| 20:39:02 | Snake | yiikeess |
| 20:39:05 | Snake | its a bit laggy? |
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| 20:44:49 | Llorean | Snake: iPods aren't exactly fast. Care to submit a patch with optimizations? |
| 20:45:18 | Snake | Llorean: na I dont know C or C++ |
| 20:45:27 | Snake | Just making a general statement |
| 20:45:29 | Llorean | See, that's why it'll never happen. |
| 20:45:38 | iamben | my sansa is a little slow w/ high bitrate (ie 320kbit) mp3s, but w/ lower bitrate mp3 or flac it runs perfect |
| 20:45:38 | Llorean | The people who want it to happen can't be bothered to spend any time on it. |
| 20:45:58 | Llorean | iamben: I'm pretty sure he's talking about the gameboy emulator. |
| 20:46:05 | iamben | ohh |
| 20:46:06 | Snake | iamben: i am |
| 20:46:37 | iamben | well yeah its an mp3 player not a game console =) |
| 20:46:55 | Snake | hehe |
| 20:49:10 | iamben | havent tried many of the plugins, although i will say that the solitaire implementation is better than most (among devices w/ no pointing device) |
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| 20:53:49 | amiconn | wowzers, a new language :) |
| 20:54:12 | amiconn | Now if all the near-abandoned languages would be updates as well... |
| 20:54:17 | amiconn | *updated |
| 20:55:09 | Snake | does the standard build have album art? |
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| 20:59:13 | iamben | Snake: afaik, the default build *supports* album art, but the default theme/wps doesnt have album art showing |
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| 21:00:09 | Llorean | No |
| 21:00:15 | Llorean | The official build has no album art support |
| 21:03:03 | Snake | okay |
| 21:03:08 | * | Snake goes to find a custom build |
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| 21:08:30 | aarkerio | hi! I tried ipod patcher but now my ipod is freeze |
| 21:08:59 | linuxstb | What does it say on the LCD? |
| 21:09:20 | aarkerio | cant' load rockbox.ipod File not found |
| 21:09:41 | linuxstb | Then you missed the "install rockbox" step in the manual. |
| 21:10:03 | linuxstb | Do what it tells you - put your ipod into disk mode. |
| 21:10:51 | linuxstb | i.e. hold MENU+SELECT together until your ipod reboots, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY. |
| 21:10:53 | aarkerio | disk mode? how can I do that?, can you share the link? |
| 21:11:23 | aarkerio | ok |
| 21:11:34 | GodEater_ | Llorean: saw my first sansa today - can't say I'm a fan |
| 21:11:46 | GodEater_ | aarkerio: it even says that on the screen if you look |
| 21:11:47 | aarkerio | I did! thx! |
| 21:11:54 | * | linuxstb wonders what DAPs will turn up on Tuesday. |
| 21:12:02 | * | GodEater_ is curious too |
| 21:12:15 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: are you bringing any this time ? |
| 21:12:28 | GodEater_ | btw - which size t shirt were you ? |
| 21:12:39 | linuxstb | I could bring my "in progress" devices - the AV340 and Elio... |
| 21:12:49 | GodEater_ | I'd be interested to see them ! |
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| 21:13:20 | * | GodEater_ has been making slow progress on his "favourites" plugin |
| 21:13:28 | iamben | forgive me if this has been covered too much already, but is there something wrong with the samsung k3/k5/t9 series that i havent even seen mention of in all of the "possible ports" talk? |
| 21:13:31 | GodEater_ | it's about half done now I think |
| 21:13:34 | linuxstb | What will it do? |
| 21:13:52 | linuxstb | iamben: I guess just no-one who owns one has shown an interest. |
| 21:13:57 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: well, the idea is you can use "open with" on a directory with it, to add that to a list of favourites |
| 21:14:13 | GodEater_ | or just run it from the plugins menu |
| 21:14:22 | iamben | i think they look awesome, but ended up getting a sansa because functionally it was better =) |
| 21:14:25 | GodEater_ | and it will load said list onto the screen for you to choose one from |
| 21:14:41 | GodEater_ | at which point you're scurried along to that directory in the browser |
| 21:15:06 | GodEater_ | or you can choose to delete an item from the list if you don't like it any more |
| 21:15:18 | linuxstb | I can't say I would ever use it, but at the very least it sounds like a good way to learn Rockbox programming.. |
| 21:15:22 | GodEater_ | I'm struggling to grok the listwidget at the moment though |
| 21:15:53 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: I wouldn't use it either - but since it came up the other day it sounded like something interesting to do at least |
| 21:15:54 | linuxstb | Maybe TiMiD[FD] could help - I think he wrote it. |
| 21:16:01 | aarkerio | My ipod model is A1137 |
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| 21:16:27 | linuxstb | aarkerio: Are you unsure which build to install? |
| 21:16:33 | aarkerio | my zip is : http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodnano/rockbox.zip ?? |
| 21:16:48 | GodEater_ | the other thing I'm not currently sure on is how to check if it's been launched as a viewer or not |
| 21:17:02 | linuxstb | aarkerio: If you run ipodpatcher again (choose "c" for cancel), then that will tell you the model of your ipod. |
| 21:17:31 | GodEater_ | clearly one way will have a "file" entry passed as a parameter, and one won't |
| 21:17:40 | GodEater_ | but I've forgotten how to check for null pointers in C |
| 21:18:11 | linuxstb | (p == NULL) ? |
| 21:18:16 | GodEater_ | that simple |
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| 21:18:18 | GodEater_ | heh |
| 21:18:30 | GodEater_ | I'll try that sometime later - I'm all programmed out today |
| 21:18:45 | SeanInglis | Hi, just giving the dev. vmware image a spin, but I get timeouts when attempting svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox. I can ping svn.rockbox.org from the vm, so it's visible. Any pointers? |
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| 21:19:32 | GodEater_ | ping uses ICMP packets whilst svn:// is a proper TCP protocol - possibly you have a firewall which passes one but not the other ? |
| 21:19:36 | amiconn | linuxstb, GodEater: Much easier - just !p |
| 21:19:40 | * | amiconn lazy |
| 21:19:58 | GodEater_ | amiconn: I think I'm going to join your gang then - I'm all for less typing ;) |
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| 21:20:20 | linuxstb | I don't like ! for some reason - I confuse it with a logical "not". But that's just me... |
| 21:20:29 | linuxstb | I find " == 0" more explicit. |
| 21:20:30 | * | Nico_P is with amiconn on this one |
| 21:20:40 | Nico_P | linuxstb: it is the logical not |
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| 21:20:51 | SeanInglis | Could be, I'll pop the firewall off and give it a spin... |
| 21:20:56 | amiconn | ! != ~ |
| 21:21:00 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Yes, but a pointer isn't a boolean... |
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| 21:21:25 | amiconn | Yes, and for non-booleans, 0 means false, everything else means true |
| 21:21:26 | linuxstb | I understand how ! works, I just prefer not to use it... |
| 21:21:26 | Nico_P | linuxstb: doesn't matter... |
| 21:21:34 | amiconn | This is well defined |
| 21:21:55 | Kasperle | how about NULL == p :) if you get used by that, things won't mysteriously fall apart because you forget to type one of the equality signs |
| 21:22:02 | Kasperle | s/by/to/ |
| 21:22:29 | SeanInglis | 10 points to GodEater, cheers. |
| 21:22:42 | Kasperle | s/because/should/ |
| 21:22:42 | GodEater_ | SeanInglis: no problem |
| 21:22:43 | Kasperle | meh |
| 21:22:43 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 21:23:08 | amiconn | Kasperle: How would a C programmer forget that?? ;) |
| 21:23:35 | * | GodEater_ forgot a ; today and suffered greatly because of it |
| 21:23:37 | Kasperle | amiconn: C programmers sometimes typo, too ;) |
| 21:23:40 | * | linuxstb agrees with amiconn on that one... |
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| 21:24:20 | Kasperle | i'm trying to make it a habit to put non-l-values to the lefthand side of comparisons |
| 21:25:00 | * | GodEater_ wanders off for dinner |
| 21:25:07 | linuxstb | Doesn't gcc warn you about most cases of that anyway? |
| 21:25:19 | amiconn | Maybe it helps avoiding bugs occasionally, but it also makes the code less readable imo |
| 21:26:08 | linuxstb | I agree, and those kinds of bugs don't last long anyway - they're pretty obvious. |
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| 21:35:18 | petur | damn troll |
| 21:36:16 | Snake | Crap |
| 21:36:29 | Snake | im assuming senab's builds dont work with the 80 gig yet do they.. |
| 21:39:25 | Febs | Snake: if the build has been updated since 23 May, then it should work with the 80 GB iPod. |
| 21:39:40 | Snake | hm |
| 21:39:48 | Snake | weird, I just tried it and it told me the parition didnt exist |
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| 21:45:18 | aarkerio | Hi! to install RockBox Just need I have the .rockbox directory and run ./ipodpatcher ? (I am in Debian Lenny) |
| 21:45:23 | Febs | Snake: I said IF the build has been updated since 23 May it should work. Did you look at the date of the build? |
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| 21:48:22 | Febs | aarkerio: yes, those are the two basic steps. You will probably also want to install the font package from the "extras" page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras |
| 21:49:06 | aarkerio | thx! |
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| 21:51:50 | Snake | Febs: it says 070209 |
| 21:51:56 | Snake | is that febuary 9th 07? |
| 21:52:04 | Snake | err |
| 21:52:07 | Snake | wait wtf... |
| 21:52:27 | Snake | yeah 02/09/07? |
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| 21:54:32 | Llorean | Snake: Which is well before the 23 of may |
| 21:54:36 | Snake | lol |
| 21:54:37 | Febs | Snake: 070209 does in fact mean 9 Feb 2007. Senab's forum thread says that the build was last updated on 30 April 2007. Therefore, it will not work on the 80 GB. |
| 21:54:42 | Snake | im just making sure that was the date |
| 21:54:44 | Snake | hrm |
| 21:54:45 | Snake | that sucks |
| 21:54:50 | Llorean | Snake: Also, please follow the channel guidelines regarding short lines. Try to type your whole thought or at least a whole sentence before hitting enter. |
| 21:55:03 | * | Febs was about to say the same thing. |
| 21:56:23 | Paprica | is someone here from china? =\ |
| 21:59:43 | aarkerio | where should I put the songs? |
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| 22:07:31 | TwstdRsn | Afternoon, folks - I have a (hopefully quick) question about a problem I'm having after upgrading my firmware to the current build on my 60G ipod video. Anyone around that could lend a hand? |
| 22:08:16 | iamben | doubtful! |
| 22:09:26 | TwstdRsn | Ah. |
| 22:09:42 | TwstdRsn | Well that does put a damper on things. |
| 22:11:03 | Kasperle | we'll never know unless you tell us what's wrong |
| 22:11:06 | Llorean | TwstdRsn: Of course we can't know until you actually tell what the problem you're having is. |
| 22:13:02 | TwstdRsn | Ah, well after upgrading my firmware, any attempt to play an mp3 causes a Data abort message and a system freeze |
| 22:18:15 | * | petur goes packing his bags for holiday :) |
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| 22:20:58 | Llorean | TwstdRsn: Try updating your bootloader. Just follow the instructions for installing it. |
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| 22:22:11 | TwstdRsn | Llorean: I've done that, updated to 1.1 |
| 22:22:31 | Llorean | And when *in* Rockbox, what version number does Rockbox report? |
| 22:22:40 | TwstdRsn | just a sec |
| 22:23:46 | TwstdRsn | r13944-070720 |
| 22:24:18 | Llorean | What model iPod? |
| 22:24:33 | TwstdRsn | 5g 60G iPod video |
| 22:24:43 | Llorean | Was it purchased new? |
| 22:24:50 | TwstdRsn | yes |
| 22:24:56 | Llorean | Has it ever been repaired? |
| 22:25:02 | TwstdRsn | no |
| 22:25:05 | Llorean | Couldn't say then. |
| 22:25:14 | TwstdRsn | Righto |
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| 22:35:36 | petur | no rockbox.ipod in the root? |
| 22:35:55 | Llorean | petur: If there were it'd report an older version number, right? |
| 22:36:05 | petur | true |
| 22:36:18 | * | petur shuts up and minds his bags again |
| 22:39:34 | TwstdRsn | Thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it. I'll just hack at it later, or roll back the firmware when I get home. |
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| 22:41:55 | aarkerio | Hi! can I play .flac files with rockbox? |
| 22:45:01 | aarkerio | need I ffmpeg? |
| 22:46:08 | Snake | aarkerio: it should play them out of the box |
| 22:46:21 | Snake | Hmm |
| 22:46:26 | Snake | how do you quit out of doom?? |
| 22:47:40 | Tr1ckY | Snake, reb00t your iPod. |
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| 22:47:57 | Snake | Tr1ckY: thats the only way? |
| 22:48:11 | Tr1ckY | Snake, well, that's the only way i've found |
| 22:48:13 | Snake | na dude |
| 22:48:17 | Snake | I got it |
| 22:48:25 | Snake | Tr1ckY: turn on hold, then select quit game ;) |
| 22:48:42 | Tr1ckY | oh |
| 22:48:43 | Tr1ckY | :P |
| 22:48:50 | Febs | Snake, STOP POSTING ON MULTIPLE LINES. Seriously. |
| 22:49:13 | Snake | .... |
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| 22:54:08 | pere__ | hi people :] |
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| 22:57:38 | Snake | What file do I have to edit/change for custom icons? |
| 22:57:46 | Snake | There is no UI to load an icon set, so you have to use the .cfg file, the following loads the various icon files |
| 22:57:52 | Snake | Thats all it says on the documentation |
| 22:58:11 | Snake | Oh ha there is a config.cfg |
| 22:58:21 | Snake | I didn't see that, my apologies |
| 22:59:04 | Febs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons |
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| 23:00:18 | Snake | yeah thats where im at |
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| 23:01:16 | pere__ | does anybody have a coby mp3 player(ipod rip)? |
| 23:02:56 | Febs | Snake: did you look at the icon sets? You'll see that most of them come with .cfg files. To load the iconset, "play" the .cfg file. |
| 23:03:30 | Snake | oh ok |
| 23:03:41 | Snake | yeah I got tango :) |
| 23:03:44 | jhMikeS | ` |
| 23:03:47 | Snake | Let me see if I got this working |
| 23:04:18 | Snake | Febs: you seem to be pretty good with this, can we change the splash screen? Or would I have to build it to do that? |
| 23:05:29 | God_Eater | Snake: that's a rebuild |
| 23:05:44 | Snake | alright, no biggy then |
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| 23:10:07 | Snake | Well I got this theme I really like, but it bounces long album titles back and forth and hurts my eyes, is there any way to stop that? |
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| 23:10:23 | Snake | perhaps just make it scroll like apples firmware? |
| 23:11:14 | GodEater | There's bouncing, or not moving at all |
| 23:11:17 | GodEater | your choice |
| 23:11:25 | Snake | no moving would be better, how would I do that? |
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| 23:11:36 | GodEater | Edit the .wps file and remove the scroll tag |
| 23:12:01 | pere__ | how you people feel like porting to anoter player xd |
| 23:12:37 | GodEater | pere__, pretty uninterested for the most part. Ports happen when people that own the device in question do the work. |
| 23:12:56 | pere__ | hmm |
| 23:13:18 | pere__ | then i guess ill port it while at the university :) |
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| 23:13:52 | GodEater | pere__, people here would be glad to help |
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| 23:13:52 | GodEater | with advice and pointers |
| 23:13:54 | pere__ | sure , thanks :) |
| 23:14:20 | GodEater | pere__ have you read our NewPorts wiki page ? |
| 23:14:27 | GodEater | it gives you a list of things to do to get started |
| 23:14:57 | pere__ | im just about to see if i madeit to an university at gdl, mexico, ill turn out as an ingenieer |
| 23:14:57 | pere__ | nope, ill see it |
| 23:14:57 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 23:15:29 | pere__ | ok |
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| 23:17:43 | Snake | GodEater: just remove %s? |
| 23:17:45 | Snake | I assume? |
| 23:18:43 | pere__ | hmm ok, so , il lport it, but.. its gonna be a long time :p , i suppose i'll make a page later, perhaps a year X( |
| 23:19:22 | Robin_0800 | Snake,you can change scrolling behavour in settings |
| 23:19:30 | GodEater | Snake, sorry - not a WPS expert - check the wiki for the right tag |
| 23:20:02 | pere__ | GodEater, i think what i can do now is just scan the board, and recognise :] |
| 23:20:17 | iamben | pere__: which player, out of curiosity? |
| 23:20:55 | Snake | Robin_0800: how? |
| 23:21:01 | pere__ | coby mpc 7085 , 1 gig , fm, mic, very cheap 50 dlls |
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| 23:22:12 | pere__ | iamben, i think some chip drivers are already made, i see a phillips fm tuner, found datasheet at rockbox |
| 23:23:31 | Robin_0800 | Snake,Settings /general/display/scolling |
| 23:24:03 | Snake | Robin_0800: thats for when you scroll the scroll wheel |
| 23:24:22 | midkay | Snake: no, it isn't. change "bidirectional scrolling limit" to 0%. |
| 23:24:39 | midkay | that will stop the bouncing. therefore, if anything scrolls, it'll loop instead of bounce. |
| 23:24:39 | Snake | ohhkay... hang on one moment please |
| 23:25:08 | Snake | oh cool |
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| 23:25:15 | Snake | midkay: any way to change the speed? |
| 23:25:15 | Snake | :D |
| 23:25:22 | midkay | Snake: scroll speed? right? :) |
| 23:25:55 | midkay | only the last couple options are for the scroll wheel.. and they probably shouldn't be intermixed, but whoever added them was too lazy to seperate them or something. :) |
| 23:26:07 | pere__ | so, lcd parts need extra care when dissasembling the players?? |
| 23:26:19 | Snake | Oh wow, gotcha, i thought they were all for the scroll wheel |
| 23:26:21 | Snake | midkay: thanks :) |
| 23:26:24 | Snake | Robin_0800: you too :) |
| 23:26:35 | midkay | Snake: sure, no problem. |
| 23:27:19 | GrooveStix | hey dude |
| 23:27:21 | GrooveStix | s |
| 23:27:48 | GrooveStix | I was wondering how can I patch? |
| 23:28:04 | Snake | GodEater: a little bit of a luck and a lot of hope :) |
| 23:28:08 | * | Snake takes cover for that one |
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| 23:28:49 | iamben | someone should offer a custom rockbox patching service @ $5/build |
| 23:28:58 | midkay | GrooveStix: you're not alone :) see the .. err... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 23:29:01 | GrooveStix | I see couple of interesting looking " Current Optional Patches" on the Gigabeat page so I am wondering how can I usethem |
| 23:29:04 | amiconn | GodEater: It's not correct that there is either bounding or no moving at all |
| 23:29:05 | GrooveStix | oh! |
| 23:29:18 | GodEater | so I see |
| 23:29:23 | amiconn | If you set the bidirectional scroll limit to 0%, it always scrolls continuously |
| 23:29:39 | * | midkay hears an echo |
| 23:29:41 | * | amiconn should check the whole backlog :\ |
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| 23:30:04 | Robin_0800 | GrooveStix,you might read these first http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 23:30:22 | GrooveStix | hmm |
| 23:30:29 | amiconn | hmmmrm |
| 23:30:36 | Snake | Off to eat, i'll talk to you guys later |
| 23:30:37 | Snake | Night |
| 23:30:47 | GrooveStix | interesting |
| 23:31:16 | amiconn | This H10 still doesn't want to freeze while I am recording the output signal for monitoring :( |
| 23:31:43 | GrooveStix | I see |
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| 23:34:09 | Robin_0800 | #test |
| 23:34:33 | Robin_0800 | *test |
| 23:34:47 | GrooveStix | ok I see now |
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| 23:35:07 | pere__ | lol coby doesnt want me to know what chip they have on the touchpad xd |
| 23:35:28 | pere__ | it has black "gum" and a tape |
| 23:36:51 | pere__ | ok, i think its ready for sanning :) unless there are some chips under the lcd >.> |
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| 23:38:55 | linuxstb | pere__: Do you know what CPU it has? |
| 23:39:19 | amiconn | Now it froze... and in fact it's an undefined instruction exception. It's hardly readable because lcd output is distorted (hard to describe) |
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| 23:40:07 | pere__ | linuxstb: i bet its under the lcd u.u |
| 23:40:38 | pere__ | i see: ali dre m5661r, fmchip, hynix |
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| 23:41:19 | GodEater | hynix is probably memory |
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| 23:41:49 | posingaspopular | hey all, I have a question about installing rockbox on a 30gig ipodvideo. i got to the point where I have to download the ipodpatcher. i have the file open in kate and it tells me that the file is a binary and it will be corrupted if I save it. what should i do? using kubuntu |
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| 23:42:33 | GodEater | posingaspopular: why did you open it in kate? |
| 23:42:41 | linuxstb | Go back to your web browser, right-click and choose "save as" |
| 23:43:02 | posingaspopular | oh it launched from the pdf into kate |
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| 23:43:22 | GodEater | posingaspopular: follow linuxstb's advice |
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| 23:44:51 | saratoga | linuxstb: i've added support for 20kbps wma files, but still have some issues with lower bitrate files |
| 23:45:29 | posingaspopular | okay now im trying to get to http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ipodpatcher/%20linux32x86/ipodpatcher and i'm getting a 404 not found |
| 23:46:04 | posingaspopular | wait i got it |
| 23:46:06 | * | posingaspopular is slow |
| 23:48:33 | amiconn | hmmmm |
| 23:49:13 | amiconn | The undefined instruction exception occurs wihin set_cpu_frequency(), immediately after switching back to pll |
| 23:49:51 | petur | did TiMiD[FD] remove dircache or what? I just updated to latest svn and I get spinups all the time when browsing. Dircache is enabled in settings.... |
| 23:49:57 | Soul-Slayer | amiconn: Anything you'd like me to try on my H10? |
| 23:50:02 | Soul-Slayer | It's a 6gb UMS |
| 23:50:06 | amiconn | I have ine myself now |
| 23:50:12 | amiconn | 6GB UMS |
| 23:50:20 | Soul-Slayer | Ah fair enough :p |
| 23:50:22 | amiconn | s/ine/one/ |
| 23:51:23 | petur | Am I the only one with broken dircache? |
| 23:51:23 | linuxstb | petur: That wasn't the plan... |
| 23:52:47 | linuxstb | Did you do a "make clean"? Maybe the renaming/moving confused make... |
| 23:52:57 | petur | oh.... |
| 23:53:05 | * | linuxstb is guessing |
| 23:53:07 | GodEater | I didn't notice that behaviour when I tested his patch this morning |
| 23:53:36 | * | petur is rebuilding |
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| 23:55:37 | petur | nope, still the same :( |
| 23:56:05 | GodEater | I didn't even notice he'd commited it =/ |
| 23:56:57 | petur | I'll go back to a previous build - leaving for holiday tomorrow morning. |
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| 23:57:46 | posingaspopular | when i get to the part about the ipodpatcher, do I save the file? im only seeing 'save link as' |
| 23:58:06 | posingaspopular | wait... /me is slow |
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