#rockbox 2007-07-22

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#rockbox log for 2007-07-22

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00:04:55	dnanar	linuxstb: well in seems that any toshiba gigabeat are on ebay: http://search.ebay.fr/Toshiba-Gigabeat_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40 (in french)
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00:11:38	linuxstb	dnanar: You'll probably have more luck buying a Gigabeat from the US. They are more common there than the EU.
00:12:15	markun	I bought mine from the UK
00:15:00	linuxstb	So did I, but at least at the moment, there don't seem to be any left...
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00:20:24	dnanar	http://cgi.ebay.fr/TOSHIBA-GIGABEAT-40GB-MP3-PLAYER-MEG-F40-S-UK-SELLER_W0QQitemZ120144046109QQihZ002QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ShippingPayment sounds good no ?
00:20:41	dnanar	http://cgi.ebay.fr/TOSHIBA-GIGABEAT-40GB-MP3-PLAYER-MEG-F40-S-UK-SELLER_W0QQitemZ120144046109QQihZ002QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem*
00:20:46	dnanar	http://cgi.ebay.fr/TOSHIBA-GIGABEAT-40GB-MP3-PLAYER-MEG-F40-S-UK-SELLER_W0QQitemZ120144046109QQihZ002QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem **
00:22:01	markun	dnanar: a bit expensive
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00:22:48	markun	although mine was used and this one is new
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00:23:56	pere__	hey, do players need the ata chip to connect to usb?
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00:27:51	dnanar	markun: ok
00:28:43	markun	pere__: so far yes, but austriancoder is working on a USB device stack
00:29:09	pere__	hmm
00:29:11	pere__	thats od
00:29:13	markun	The Gigabeat S port can probably not be finished with it
00:29:15	markun	why?
00:29:51	pere__	my mp3 player has the ata chip separated, right now its connected
00:30:29	pere__	imea, the ata chip is disconected, but the player still works as a drive
00:33:44	markun	not sure what you are talking about, but I have to go. Maybe someone else can help you.
00:33:51	pere__	ok, thanks
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02:06:48	macgeek	I'm converting my iPod to FAT32 on my iBook so I can install Rockbox on it, and now that I have unmounted my iPod and downloaded the correct partition table, I'm supposed to run this command: 'dd if=mbr-xxxx.bin of=/dev/diskN' in the Terminal. However, I'm not sure which disk name to use. How do I find out which to use so I don't screw up my HD or something else?
02:12:00	macgeek	Wow, quiet channel. The disk choices I appear to have are disk0, disk0s1, disk0s3, disk1, disk1s1, disk1s2, disk1s3.
02:12:46	tohtorijep	/dev/sdc2 on /media/IPOD type vfat
02:13:04	tohtorijep	thats my ipod
02:13:06	tohtorijep	type mount
02:13:27	tohtorijep	ubuntu actually mounts ipods automatically
02:13:44	tohtorijep	i'm sure mac does too
02:14:22	macgeek	tohtorijep: I don't have a /dev/sdc2
02:14:37	macgeek	and the instructions say it's diskN (meaning disk0, disk1, etc.)
02:14:39	tohtorijep	type mount
02:14:50	tohtorijep	on a shell
02:14:53	macgeek	ok
02:15:53	macgeek	ah, I see it
02:15:55	macgeek	thanks, tohtorijep
02:16:10	tohtorijep	np
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02:19:58	macgeek	darn it, apparently I can't even format my iPod mini to FAT32 :( Disk Utility doesn't give me the option, and newfs_msdos says "FAT32 is impossible with 65536 sectors"
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02:20:49	macgeek	this is the command I ran: "newfs_msdos -F32 -v iPod /dev/rdisk1s2"
02:22:33	macgeek	Is my only other option to get access to a Windows machine? Or is there some other way I can convert it to FAT32?
02:22:46	krazykit	you could use a linux liveCD
02:23:09	krazykit	but a windows machine would be easier
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05:36:18	lymeca	Am I correct in thinking that Rockbox on 5G iPods cannot play back video, much like 4G colour iPods cannot view images?
05:37:01	scorche	it can play back video, but it is slower than one would like...
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05:42:16	HellDragon	it can play them bac
05:42:24	HellDragon	they just go at like 15fps
05:42:31	scorche	more like 6, but yeah..
05:42:35	HellDragon	always 15 here
05:42:40	scorche	it varies
05:42:47	HellDragon	porn.
05:43:48	scorche	HellDragon: bidet
05:44:05	HellDragon	scorche: pores
05:44:16	HellDragon	scorche: the way you swing your hips in jeans
05:44:24	scorche	enough >_>
05:44:30	HellDragon	:(
05:44:37	HellDragon	we serious'd
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07:08:32	JdGordon	anyone around?
07:08:47	Doomed	im here
07:09:47	scorche	JdGordon: perhaps you should have been more specific =P
07:10:18	JdGordon	anyone around and bored and want to test out a patch to make sure I dont break anything?
07:13:22	scorche	JdGordon: sure...what is it?
07:14:10	JdGordon	http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/actionfix.diff its to get rid of the action_signalscreenchange() function and fix some problems with targets which need a combo for ACTION_STD_CANCEL
07:14:25	JdGordon	you shouldnt see any difference unless it doesnt work :p
07:18:36	Snake	Can rockbox open pdf?
07:18:40	JdGordon	no
07:18:40	Snake	or is there any way to?
07:18:41	scorche	no
07:18:56	Snake	Heh alright, it was a thought :)
07:19:02	scorche	no =)
07:19:38	Snake	Just out of curiosity, what's everyones favorite custom build?
07:19:57	scorche	you will likely find most here use the official build
07:19:57	JdGordon	i do my own
07:20:03	scorche	or that =)
07:20:16	Snake	hehe
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07:25:13	scorche	ugh...vmware is choosing to be slow today...
07:25:49	JdGordon	scorche: you have an ipod?
07:26:01	scorche	JdGordon: that is what i am building
07:26:23	JdGordon	before putting on the new build, can you see if you can reproduce 6164 please?
07:26:54	JdGordon	ive got it happening on the nano here, but dunno if that was just reintroduced or asnt been fixed yet
07:27:53	scorche	JdGordon: on the latest build, i assume?
07:28:13	JdGordon	any recent one
07:28:23	JdGordon	there hasnt been an update that should affect that for a while
07:28:58	scorche	am i testing the bug or the patch?
07:29:21	scorche	and why is this taking over 3 min to diff?
07:29:32	JdGordon	the bug without the patch please
07:29:36	JdGordon	and wow, thats retarted!
07:29:44	JdGordon	did you do diff or patch?
07:29:50	scorche	patch
07:29:54	scorche	of course..
07:30:12	JdGordon	[15:29:21] <scorche> and why is this taking over 3 min to >>>>>>diff<<<<<? is why i asked
07:30:23	scorche	yeah..i realised that after i hit enter
07:30:41	scorche	but this is still taking forever..
07:30:52	JdGordon	you didnt forget the < did you?
07:31:01	JdGordon	I did that yesterday accidently
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07:32:25	JdGordon	:)
07:34:02	scorche	JdGordon: i cant reproduce that bug...is there a specific setting i should try on?
07:34:39	JdGordon	no, from the menu, if it doesnt start playback after exiting the vkeyboard then it was fixed
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07:36:12	scorche	oh...i didnt see vkeyboard in the actual report
07:36:33	JdGordon	dw, reverted the patch, it reintroduces it :(
07:36:42	scorche	alright
07:36:58	JdGordon	ipod button driver is fubar!
07:42:31	scorche	JdGordon: have to hit a button before the scroll wheel will work with your patch on startup
07:42:45	JdGordon	yeah, I tihnk i;ve fixed that
07:42:54	JdGordon	not very nice, but it works
07:43:05	JdGordon	dont know why thats only on the ipods though
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07:50:50	combrains	can anyone tell me why, after checking out the latest SVN code, then compiling it on the mac using compilers downloaded by the rockboxdev script I managed to brick my gigabeat?
07:50:51	JdGordon	yay, fixed the patch :)
07:51:18	*	JdGordon looks at the .co.nz part of your IP and puts 2 and 2 together :p
07:51:33	combrains	I have compiled and installed numerous times using linux and never had a problem
07:51:34	JdGordon	combrains: obviously more info is needed
07:53:09	combrains	well, to put it simply, I checked out, ran the rockbox dev script to install compilers etc, compiled the bin and the bootloader, copied them to my gigabeat, rebooted it and got a kernal panic
07:53:27	combrains	compiling on mac os 10.4.10
07:54:50	combrains	I dont think it has anything to do with the rockbox source coz I later downloaded a precompiled version from the site and it worked like a charm
07:55:17	combrains	that is, a precomiled bin and bootloader
07:55:24	scorche	then you didnt brick it...
07:55:46	combrains	I had to hotswap to get it to work - to me thats bricking
07:56:18	combrains	give me a few mins and I can give you the error I got - I still have my compiled version
07:56:34	JdGordon	you shouldnt compile the bootloader for yourself
07:56:38	scorche	bricking basically means that you need to break out the soldering iron
07:57:00	scorche	if even that would work
07:57:39	combrains	ok so maybe I had my wires crossed (no pun intended) but I did have to hotswap to restore it
07:57:51	Snake	mpegplayer isnt included on the default bulds is it?
07:57:56	combrains	and I have compiled the bootloader on linux many times before with no problems
07:58:05	JdGordon	Snake: what gave you that idea?
07:58:20	Snake	JdGordon: I just didnt think it was..
07:58:27	combrains	I'm wonderin if it has somthing to do with the mac versions of either the compilers of rb makefile
07:58:31	combrains	*or
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08:01:25	combrains	I get: error! tick_add_ta
08:01:38	combrains	sk (): out off tasks
08:01:42	combrains	*of
08:04:00	combrains	any ideas?
08:06:09	*	JdGordon just commited to half the files in apps/ :p
08:08:37	combrains	and like I said - I have compiled in linux many times with no hang-ups
08:08:58	combrains	only now I have a mac so I'm not using linux anymore
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09:43:06	bluebrother	anyone against rejecting FS #7459?
09:45:55	daurnimator	can i be not not not not for it?
09:47:03	bluebrother	not for rejecting or not for implementing?
09:51:57	safetydan	bluebrother, I'd say reject. As a feature request it's pretty useless. Maybe get them to refile the last comment as a separate feature request since that might be useful for things other than comics.
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10:01:12	lymeca	What lossy format drains the least amount of battery life (4G iPod here)?
10:02:21	safetydan	lymeca, probably flac
10:02:35	lymeca	safetydan: lossy I said...
10:02:51	lymeca	But wait, FLAC takes a smaller amount of battery life to decode than say, MP3 or Vorbis?
10:03:00	lymeca	I assumed it would be more because the HDD has to be more active
10:03:49	safetydan	lymeca, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime
10:04:23	safetydan	lymeca, sorry misread.
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10:36:25	JdGordon	what ever happened to the flyspray clean out weekend which was talked about at devcon for july?
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10:41:14	bluebrother	JdGordon: I wanted to announce one but got stuck writing the email ...
10:41:30	bluebrother	but I hope I get around it today.
10:42:02	JdGordon	I'm going through FS again now, and there are so many tasks from 3 years ago which I have no idea what they are on about
10:42:45	bluebrother	how good gmail saved my already written email as draft automatically ;-)
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12:00:56	bluebrother	please comment about this: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/pastebin/5387
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12:22:40	JdGordon	bluebrother: for next time, pastebin really isnt a nice way to read that much text...
12:24:47	JdGordon	bluebrother: I take it thats for the user ml? I was under the impression the clean up would be done by "us"...
12:27:31	bluebrother	well, I intended to send it to users and dev ML
12:28:09	bluebrother	where should I put the text otherwise? A plain text file also wouldn't be better.
12:28:41	JdGordon	i dunno, but pastebin isnt very nice...
12:29:20	bluebrother	I don't know of anything that's suited better (though there might be equal options that pastebin)
12:29:30	JdGordon	anyway, I thought maybe a set of uidlines we can agree on before we start so we know when we can close a task without discussing
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12:30:13	JdGordon	also, see if we can use the "assign to" feature of FS to get some bugs sorted
12:30:24	bluebrother	then there is some more discussion needed −− either here or on the dev ML.
12:30:54	bluebrother	we could start using the "due in version" entry, as that would make the roadmap feature reflecting the current state better.
12:31:27	JdGordon	excpet is anyone still interesed in "releasing"?
12:32:33	bluebrother	according to the DevCon2007 page a release is still planned
12:32:51	JdGordon	ok
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12:35:43	bluebrother	my idea was to get users helping to clean up the tracker. Devs should do anyway if they find the time ;-)
12:35:57	bluebrother	but I'll wait another day with sending the mail.
12:36:31	bluebrother	if someone not around right now wants to tell me thoughs about my proposal please hilight me. I'll check logs tomorrow
12:37:22	JdGordon	I think we need somewhere to put a comment saying task X was looked at.. we dont really want to fill the tracker with such comments, and we dont wont 15 ppl looking at the same tasks
12:38:15	bluebrother	well, the only way users can help is commenting ...
12:38:28	JdGordon	i know :(
12:38:42	scorche	indeed...plus having "cant reproduce, reproducable, doesnt work, etc" would be good on a comment
12:39:05	bluebrother	and I don't see a problem with multiple comments −− if there are, say 3 comments "seems to be fixed, can't reproduce" I think we can safely close the task
12:39:39	scorche	for most users, i think they can only really help with bugs though
12:39:58	scorche	and i hope this doesnt end up being a flood of "i want this feature too!"
12:40:07	JdGordon	I tihnk it will...
12:40:29	bluebrother	right. But I wanted to give a hint to people who do custom builds too.
12:40:43	bluebrother	maybe add a "do not file new feature requests during that week"?
12:40:46	JdGordon	also, I think we should have a category for patches which have been rejected, but to allow the maintainer to still update it easily
12:41:20	bluebrother	this was discussed before but rejected.
12:41:25	scorche	with 284 open patches, i am not sure how well it would go if people were to compile builds for the users to try
12:41:46	bluebrother	the main reason was that Rockbox shouldn't host patches that are rejected, as it's the code of somebody else
12:42:00	bluebrother	and there is enough free web space for hosting such diffs around
12:43:47	scorche	are patches rejected if they simply are not done the way we want them to be in order to be committed, or are these just the "will never be committed" patches?
12:43:59	bluebrother	the latter
12:44:20	bluebrother	if patches are not done the right way they usually get a "please do it the right way" comment.
12:44:24	JdGordon	well, both... but mostly the latter
12:44:28	scorche	alright... /me hasnt been in flyspray much for a while
12:44:31	bluebrother	well, if somebody cares enought about it ;-)
12:45:28	JdGordon	and completly changing subject.... does anyone care enough about restructuring the menus to do somethigng about it?
12:46:06	bluebrother	I do, but I have other stuff to do first. So if someone else is faster than me it's fine.
12:46:18	JdGordon	ok
12:47:40	JdGordon	aliask: is your superdom plugin still a WIP?
12:51:28	daurnimator	hey JdGordon and aliask
12:51:33	JdGordon	hey
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12:52:41	daurnimator	whats new?
12:52:50	JdGordon	i start work tomoorow :'(
12:52:58	JdGordon	bye bye free time
12:53:15	daurnimator	JdGordon: have you noticed that tv has REALLY deteriorated in quality in the last few weeks?
12:53:29	JdGordon	i dont watch tv anymore coz its so crap
12:53:47	*	scorche beckons the "downunderians" to #rockbox-community =)
12:54:15	daurnimator	I've turned it on a few times lately while bored - and there is absolutely nothing on
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12:54:47	daurnimator	not even a crime show (CSI, NCIS) - they are at least slightly watchable
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12:56:00	JdGordon	aliask: your numpad is upside down :p
12:56:03	JdGordon	but nice
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13:00:35	Nick_Brackley	Is anyone willing/able to sync the backlight_filter (FS #5047) patch?
13:02:54	JdGordon	Nico_P: ^
13:03:12	Nico_P	hmm
13:04:16	*	Nico_P takes a look
13:04:36	JdGordon	"mode0,mode1,mode2,mode3" <- nice and useful config strings there :p
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13:05:26	Nico_P	hehe :)
13:05:55	Nico_P	JdGordon: you removed apps/settings_menu.c recently, didn't you ?
13:06:02	JdGordon	no
13:06:05	JdGordon	its still there
13:06:12	Nico_P	oh
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13:18:12	Nico_P	Nick_Brackley: I'll rely on you for the testing
13:18:36	Nick_Brackley	yeah no problem
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13:29:03	Nico_P	JdGordon: I have no idea what the hunk in apps/seeting_menu.c is about
13:29:22	JdGordon	pastebin the .rej?
13:29:50	Nico_P	there's not much there... basically it's the same as the patch hunk
13:30:12	JdGordon	I didnt apply the patch so i dont know what it is...
13:30:30	JdGordon	ah.. hmm
13:31:17	Nico_P	http://www.pastebin.ca/629513
13:31:28	JdGordon	ignore it i tihnk
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13:31:43	Nico_P	apps/settings_menu.c doesn't exist so I tried apps/menus/settings_menu.c
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13:31:47	Nico_P	OK I'll try that
13:37:49	Nico_P	Nick_Brackley: http://www.pastebin.ca/629519
13:43:01	Nick_Brackley	Nico_P: Ok, patching and compiling now.....
13:45:09	JdGordon	:'( I have nice backlight fading working on the e200 when the ldc is turning off.. i cant turn it on again though :p
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13:52:17	aliask	JdGordon: Yep, definitely still a WIP. The last bugfix caused that dodgy numpad stuff
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13:52:32	aliask	It was a "close my eyes and hope this works" fix.
13:52:53	JdGordon	:)
13:53:10	Nick_Brackley	Nico_P: Where are the settings for it?
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14:01:28	linuxstb	Slasheri: Am I right in thinking that when someone plays some files from the database, each file is added individually to the playlist?
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14:02:02	Slasheri	linuxstb: yes, that sounds correct
14:02:05	linuxstb	As opposed to playing from the file browser, where the .playlist_control file contains the "playlist command" used to add the files.
14:02:55	linuxstb	I was just wondering if it's possible (and if you're thought about) doing something similar with the database. A common complaint seems to be the long time it takes to create a long playlist (e.g. all tracks) from the database.
14:03:02	Slasheri	well, playlist code is used anyway to add files to tha playlist_control
14:03:24	Slasheri	hmm.. that shouldn't take very long
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14:04:20	Slasheri	database query needs to be created, and then files returned by that query are retrievied added to the playlist (or playlist_control) using playlist interface
14:06:07	Lear	And if a playlist command for that is added, something similar can be used to bookmark a db selection.
14:06:13	linuxstb	I guess my question is if that query could be stored in .playlist_control, rather than the individual files.
14:06:58	linuxstb	i.e. make the playlist code more database-oriented, rather than file oriented. (and if that's a good idea...)
14:07:02	Slasheri	well, i have no idea about that. the created playlist should be stored in .playlist_control (is there any other place)
14:07:18	Slasheri	ah
14:07:22	Slasheri	now i got it
14:07:44	Slasheri	so you mean it could store db index numbers in the playlist_control instead of file names?
14:08:08	linuxstb	I mean storing the query, rather than the results of the query.
14:08:17	Slasheri	ah, hmm
14:08:28	Slasheri	but then db code would need to know how the execute the query
14:08:42	Nick_Brackley	Nico_P: where do i find the settings for the patch, i looked in settings −−> general settings −−> display −−> lcd settings and i cant find them
14:09:37	Lear	Yes, the way I see it is that a query could be read from or written to a file (string, really).
14:10:43	JdGordon	woot :) got backlight fading working
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14:12:50	Nico_P	Nick_Brackley: That's probably missing in tha patch
14:12:55	Nico_P	I'll have a look ASAP
14:13:18	linuxstb	JdGordon: On what?
14:13:24	JdGordon	e200
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14:14:12	JdGordon	there are 2 dimmming systems... pwm and HAVE_BACKLIGHT_SET_FADING which only the gb (and now sansa) uses, is one better than the other?
14:14:27	PaulJam	JdGordon: in the folebrowser and database, when holding left it used to stop at the root and you have to press left again to get to the main menu. could it be that this behaviour has changed with your last commit (it now goes straight to the main menu)?
14:14:54	JdGordon	crap, yeah, its possible I broke that
14:15:34	Slasheri	JdGordon: sure, the one that uses hardware pwm/voltage adjustment is better / less cpu intense
14:16:12	Slasheri	PWM is software only in rockbox and needs to generate interrupts by one dedicated timer very frequently
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14:16:59	JdGordon	so set_fading is the prefered way?
14:17:19	Slasheri	if that uses hardware directly (where available), sure
14:17:30	JdGordon	ok cool :)
14:19:11	JdGordon	PaulJam: if you want to fix your problem, change the action context in tree.c to CONTEXT_TREE if it isnt that already
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14:25:22	JdGordon	does anyone have any idea why the 2 commented lines causes the sansa to crash/freeze in http://jdgordon.mine.nu:8080/jonno/lcddimmer.patch ?__backlight_off() calls lcd_enable(false); without any problems
14:26:33	aliask	JdGordon: Was the numpad really still messed up?
14:26:57	JdGordon	no, just upsidedown... top row was 123 instead of 789
14:27:10	JdGordon	clr and ok were on the bottom so it wasnt all that bad
14:27:59	aliask	Oh, I thought that 9 was inputting 1 or similar
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14:28:15	aliask	It's just how a phone is, not how a numpad is :P
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14:52:40	amiconn	hrmpf
14:53:21	JdGordon	well said!
14:53:51	amiconn	The action screenchange rework breaks the soft shutdown on recorder v1
14:54:16	amiconn	I'll check why
14:54:53	amiconn	JdGordon: Btw, your settings cleanup a few weeks ago broke another thing: the settings which have a different headline than their menu name
14:55:20	amiconn	Most prominent and annyoing example: the scroll speed and scroll step settings. They lost their example text...
14:55:27	Nick_Brackley	Nico_P: any progress?
14:55:55	JdGordon	hrmpf :p
14:56:05	amiconn	well said!
14:57:01	JdGordon	how does it break the soft shutdown?
14:57:24	amiconn	The splash "press OFF to shut down " disappears at the first release
14:59:55	amiconn	I think I already found the problem, building ...
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15:00:01	JdGordon	great
15:00:26	amiconn	Some time ago, unknown/blocked actions used to return ACTION_UNKNOWN
15:01:45	amiconn	Now they return ACTION_NONE
15:02:04	Nico_P	Nick_Brackley: sorry no, I've been busy
15:02:21	Nico_P	JdGordon: where's the display settings menu code ?
15:02:31	JdGordon	menu/display_menu.c ?
15:02:40	amiconn	Looks like that was the problem. I just had to change a case: value
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15:04:34	amiconn	There's a very minor quirk no, but I think we can live with that
15:05:09	amiconn	Soft shutdown on recorder v1 is supposed to be OFF - OFF, but due to the action system, OFF - LEFT also works now
15:05:31	amiconn	(because LEFT and OFF are both cancel in the standard context)
15:05:52	JdGordon	you can check the actual button press if its really important
15:06:17	amiconn	nah
15:06:19	Nico_P	I'll look in a bit
15:06:25	amiconn	Now if you could fix the headline thing...
15:07:19	JdGordon	put it on FS and assign to me... trying to get this working correctly
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15:12:54	JdGordon	is it maybe bad to call lcd_enable() from a tick task?
15:13:11	amiconn	That's often very bad
15:13:20	amiconn	tick tasks are interrupt context
15:14:46	amiconn	That's why the backlight handling works like it does - by the tick only posting messages to a thread, which then handles the switching
15:15:47	amiconn	The original reason wasn't lcd_enable, but that backlight switching on recorders involves i2c commands - which must not be issued from inerrupt context without special measures
15:15:52	amiconn	..as well
15:16:29	amiconn	Now there multiple actions which need this precaution, e.g. the lcd enable/disable
15:17:38	JdGordon	so calling pp_i2c_send() in a tick task is very bad?
15:18:33	amiconn	I don't know whether the pp i2c can be used within isrs, but lcd_enable involves sleep() - which must never be called from interrupts
15:19:24	*	amiconn wonders what JdGordon is trying to do
15:19:31	JdGordon	backlight fading on the sansa
15:19:41	JdGordon	its working fine as long as lcd_enable isnt called
15:19:55	tumu	someone should fix the lcd corruption on sansa instead :)
15:20:05	amiconn	Why don't you just reuse the code that's already there?
15:20:17	JdGordon	the pwm code?
15:20:21	amiconn	yes
15:20:32	JdGordon	because I wasnt sure if it would work for the sansa
15:20:45	amiconn	How is backlight controlled on sansa?
15:20:58	JdGordon	pp_i2c_send( 0x46, 0x23, current_brightness);
15:21:15	amiconn	Ah, so it has hardware pwm?
15:21:49	JdGordon	I guess so
15:21:55	amiconn	Still, I don't see why you need to call lcd_enable in isr context
15:22:16	amiconn	Just handle the fading in the tick task and let the backlight thread disable the lcd as normal
15:22:42	JdGordon	the problem is the backlight thread doesnt know when the fading is finished
15:22:54	amiconn	Then tell it...
15:23:10	amiconn	Send a message
15:23:46	*	amiconn wants to know how to do lcd disable on H10
15:24:32	JdGordon	markun: you round?
15:24:43	Arathis	amiconn: isn't lcd disable already enabled on H10?
15:24:57	markun	JdGordon: yes, but watching a movie with my gf
15:25:16	JdGordon	ok, I wont disturb you then
15:25:41	markun	What's it about?
15:25:57	JdGordon	does the gigabeat disable the lcd when it finishes fading?
15:26:26	amiconn	Arathis: No it's not. On colour targets where we know how, the lcd is disabled when backlight is disabled (because it's not readable anyway - with 2 exceptions), in order to save some cpu time and hence battery
15:27:05	Arathis	thought barrywardell did that month ago o.O
15:28:22	amiconn	Hmm, seems it's done for the 20GB, but not for the 5GB
15:29:39	Arathis	barry's got an 20GB. perhaps he didn't manage to enable lcd disable for 5/6GB without a unit to test himself
15:29:46	amiconn	Different lcd controller... but they can't be much different
15:33:02	*	amiconn is testing a freeze fix for H10
15:41:34	*	JdGordon has a very intersting problem now..
15:41:49	JdGordon	the sansa is dimming the lcd as soon as its turned back on
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15:44:14	JdGordon	haha, im a dill :)
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15:45:11	Arathis	amiconn: is it btw possible to dimm the backlight on H10s?
15:45:28	amiconn	I don't know (yet)
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15:48:34	Nick_Brackley	Nico_P: well i'm gonna go soonish, are you just going to put the patch on flyspray?
15:48:44	Nico_P	Nick_Brackley: ok
15:48:56	Nico_P	I'm trying to figure out the new API
15:49:11	JdGordon	amiconn: it doesnt make sense to sleep the lcd unless its been disabled, does it?
15:49:30	Nick_Brackley	Nico_P: ok, thankyou for all your work on this, it is very appreciated!
15:49:56	Nico_P	you're welcome :)
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17:07:19	chrisjs169\|brb	what file in the source controls the inverse line selector?
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17:17:37	linuxstb	chrisjs169\|brb: Probably the list widget code - apps/gui/list.c
17:19:06	chrisjs169\|brb	linuxstb: that's what I thought, but I commented out that file in the SOURCES file, and the inverse line selector still appeared
17:20:49	chrisjs169\|brb	weird - now I try commenting it out, and make outputs a ton of errors
17:20:54	linuxstb	Huh? If you commented out that line, I would expect a lot of compiler errors....
17:21:14	linuxstb	What are you trying to do?
17:22:08	chrisjs169\|brb	I'm trying to see if I can modify the line selector....maybe make was caching it...
17:23:52	linuxstb	What do you want to change it to?
17:24:57	chrisjs169\|brb	I'm just experimenting with it right now
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17:30:58	Nico_P	linuxstb: interesting proposal :)
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19:25:25	loan	hello
19:25:45	loan	i need some help
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19:27:12	loan	hola
19:27:23	loan	alguien habla español???
19:27:45	iamben	un poco
19:27:49	loan	entiendo ingles pero seria mejor en español
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19:28:40	loan	ok
19:28:51	loan	iamben
19:29:19	loan	como me puedo salir del jpgviewer en mi iPod mini 2g
19:30:30	iamben	i dont have an ipod, but on my sansa i have to press the 'record' button to get to the menu
19:30:53	iamben	which is kind of strange, and took me a while to figure out
19:33:41	iamben	check this page for controls: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodmini2g/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1680008.3.2
19:33:54	loan	oh thanx
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19:42:46	preglow	wow, a gigabeat s port
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19:44:59	Doomed	thhe startings of it at least
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19:45:57	preglow	which is more than enough to make me happy :)
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19:50:43	loan	hello
19:51:02	loan	where can i download the doom2
19:51:10	loan	for iPod mini 2g
19:52:26	loan	in rockbox
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19:54:39	preglow	you dont need to download it, its included
19:55:19	preglow	the data files you need to get yourseldf
19:55:37	preglow	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/Doom?topic=PluginDoom
19:56:04	jhMikeS	preglow: how's it going? you've been scarce lately.
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20:02:38	loan	where can i get the data files???
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20:04:00	Doomed	data files?
20:04:05	loan	yes
20:04:11	loan	of doom 2
20:04:33	toffe82	loan: puedes encontrar el archivo freedoom aqui :http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras#Doom
20:05:05	loan	pero no el freedoom
20:05:10	loan	el original
20:05:21	loan	claro q si no c puede...
20:05:29	toffe82	tienes que tener el original para pc
20:05:48	jhMikeS	esta es una canal ingles, gracia :P
20:05:54	toffe82	:)
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20:06:42	toffe82	jhMikeS: one question, did I send you a remote with the f40 ?
20:07:18	loan	ah
20:09:15	loan	can i openn a spanish channel
20:09:16	loan	???
20:09:50	jhMikeS	toffe82: yeah, I got everything
20:10:38	toffe82	jhMikeS: ok, I didn't remember, as I going to receive 10 remote
20:11:01	loan	ok
20:11:55	jhMikeS	I haven't actually tried it yet though. I don't use a remote very often. Almost exclusively for logf stuff.
20:14:10	toffe82	ok
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20:20:53	loan	can i open a spanish rockbox channel???
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20:23:21	jhMikeS	loan: I don't know if you need permission for that. :\
20:23:44	loan	#es.rockbox
20:24:17	loan	i opened it and it dont putted any problem
20:24:38	loan	i want to know if it is legal or illegal
20:24:53	loan	and sorry for my bad english
20:24:59	krazykit	it's legal.
20:25:01	loan	i speak spanish
20:25:06	loan	ok
20:25:16	loan	hispano parlantes
20:25:38	loan	ya hay un canal en español
20:25:50	loan	metanse es #es.rockbox
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21:14:59	a1titude	Does anyone know if there is a way to change the back-light brightness for the Video iPods?
21:16:02	Doomed	should be in the display menu
21:17:26	Robin0800	a1titude,think you need a patch for that
21:17:37	linuxstb	a1titude: There's a patch here to support it - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5234
21:17:51	preglow	jhMikeS: yeah, vacation time. i'm about to become scarce for another week too
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21:18:37	a1titude	linuxstb: Do you know why it hasn't been implemented into the firmware?
21:18:41	Robin0800	linuxstb,not sure that the patch works correctly though Doom problem etc
21:19:11	a1titude	I think that just answered my question, thanks
21:20:45	linuxstb	Robin0800: There's no mention of Doom on the flyspray task..
21:21:32	a1titude	So is there a reason this hasn't been implemented into the firmware yet?
21:22:22	linuxstb	I guess no developer has taken an interest in it, and no-one has been pushing for its inclusion.
21:23:01	Robin0800	linuxstb,perhaps thats been cured but if its the same one as used in unsupported builds Doom won't run unless brightness set to max
21:23:10	kkurbjun	is anyone around who is familiar with the new menu code
21:23:45	kkurbjun	specifically I would like to know what the equivalent of the struct opt_items would be for the new menucode
21:24:17	linuxstb	I think there's a wiki page describing it.
21:24:30	a1titude	linuxstb: Shame, I can see it coming wanted in the future, it would be another battery improvement.
21:24:33	kkurbjun	I'm looking at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingTheMenuAPI
21:24:51	kkurbjun	maybe I'm missing it, but I don't see an equivalent
21:25:00	jhMikeS	preglow: sounds nice
21:25:32	linuxstb	a1titude: Then test the patch, report any bugs on flyspray, test the battery life on your ipod both with and without that patch, and then ask for it to be committed.
21:26:27	Robin0800	a1titude,the last comment on the patch sayes its out of sync
21:26:28	preglow	jhMikeS: and so it is
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21:26:55	a1titude	linuxstb: If I find the time, I will.
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21:27:09	kkurbjun	hmm, I think MENUITEM_SETTING might be it, but it seems to indicate that I have to put the setting options in the core rather than a plugin
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21:29:33	Robin0800	alberink,just found this IMPORTANT: to play doom, and use mpegplayer you will need to set the brightness to 15
21:32:38	Robin0800	linuxstb,why this comment IMPORTANT: to play doom, and use mpegplayer you will need to set the brightness to 15 is not on the tracker I don't know shall I add it?
21:33:47	linuxstb	Robin0800: Where does it say that?
21:34:29	linuxstb	But yes, if that's the case, it would be useful to add it to the flyspray page so people know about it (especially the author of the patch).
21:35:26	Robin0800	linuxstb,the read me on the first page of Ipod 5/5.5G (30GB / 60GB / 80GB) - EvilG Build - in the forum
21:36:23	lymeca	Can 5G iPods with Rockbox play videos?
21:37:35	linuxstb	Poorly. But you can dual-boot into the Apple firmware.
21:43:29	Robin0800	linuxstb,I note the patch has not had any activity for the last month
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21:50:45	loan	with the mpegviewer
21:50:52	loan	you can
21:56:37	Soul-Slayer	loan: However it doesn't work as efficiently as the OF's video player. Yet.
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21:59:17	Llorean	Soul-Slayer: It's not likely ever to.
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22:01:14	Robin0800	Soul-Slayer,unless rockbox can use the video chip which no one knows much about
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22:02:15	TTSbox__	HI
22:03:00	TTSbox__	Is there a way to get Rockbox compile without making it compile so many files even if you configure again?
22:03:13	Llorean	Robin0800: Even then, that's unlikely to improve MPEG-1/2 video playback, but perhaps offer MP4 video playback.
22:03:27	TTSbox__	I eliminated some plugins for speedier development
22:03:52	TTSbox__	but maybe there is a make switch to get make less number of files
22:04:13	obo	TTSbox__: make bin skips all plugins and codecs
22:04:27	TTSbox__	hmm
22:04:31	TTSbox__	thanks
22:04:41	TTSbox__	but I am developing a plugin
22:04:59	TTSbox__	so it will skip my plugin too
22:05:01	TTSbox__	?
22:05:50	obo	yes - I guess the only other way is to comment out SOURCES
22:05:56	TTSbox__	I guess I can not run make only in my plugin's folder
22:06:06	obo	do you have ccache installed?
22:06:13	TTSbox__	what is that
22:06:17	TTSbox__	?
22:06:37	obo	it caches the compile process, speeding up rebuilds
22:06:44	TTSbox__	hmm
22:06:50	scorche	TTSbox__: if you dont make clean, it will only re-compile what has changed
22:06:52	TTSbox__	I am using the wmvare tool
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22:07:32	TTSbox__	If I don't re-configure, yes
22:07:45	TTSbox__	it only recompiles things unchanged
22:07:51	TTSbox__	but when I add a source
22:08:01	TTSbox__	I run configure again
22:08:16	TTSbox__	and this results the make to take much longer
22:08:51	TTSbox__	For somethings it says Nothing to be done for `all'
22:09:00	TTSbox__	but it takes much much longer
22:09:13	TTSbox__	than a make withour rerunning configure
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22:16:49	linuxstb	TTSbox__: Sounds like a problem with your plugin's Makefile - you should rarely need to rerun configure.
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22:17:50	TTSbox__	I am not very experienced with makefiles, so I thought I can just let the configure generate the makefiles
22:18:06	linuxstb	Is your plugin in its own subdirectory?
22:18:11	TTSbox__	yes
22:18:25	TTSbox__	So I put sources in it
22:18:42	linuxstb	Then you need your own Makefile in that subdirectory, and to add the name of your subdirectory to apps/plugins/SUBDIRS
22:19:49	linuxstb	You can copy an existing Makefile from one of the other plugins - Sudoku is probably a good example. You probably then just need to search and replace "sudoku" with the name of your plugin in the Makefile.
22:21:04	TTSbox__	I have done these too
22:21:18	TTSbox__	so now I just can run only that makefile?
22:21:36	TTSbox__	instead of the one making Rockbox
22:21:56	TTSbox__	I don't think so
22:22:06	linuxstb	No, but you can run "make rocks" which just compiles the plugins.
22:22:14	TTSbox__	Oh
22:22:17	TTSbox__	OK
22:22:24	TTSbox__	that is good
22:22:33	Nico_P	linuxstb: seen my commit ?
22:22:40	linuxstb	But running "make" when nothing needs to be recompiled shouldn't take long - it only takes about 3 seconds for me.
22:23:25	linuxstb	Nico_P: Yes, but I didn't look closely.
22:24:24	Nico_P	ok... no need anyway. it's pretty basic
22:24:32	TTSbox__	and I need to make install again too
22:24:34	TTSbox__	?
22:24:40	TTSbox__	after make rocks
22:25:20	Nico_P	TTSbox__: yes
22:25:39	linuxstb	Yes. But if you've just changed your plugin, you can just copy the .rock file directly. I normally do something like "make && cp apps/plugins/sudoku.rock archos/.rockbox/plugins/"
22:26:10	linuxstb	(the && means "run the second command if the first command succeeded")
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22:46:24	TTSbox__	I am trying to do what you instructed now, but I must have screwed up somewhere. I copied back original SOURCES and SUBDIRS files in plugins directory but it gives this error when I save make rocks make[2]: *** No rule to make target `sysfont.h', needed by `/rockbox/build_h120/apps/plugins/lib/oldmenuapi.o'. Stop.
22:46:59	TTSbox__	I mean when I run make rocks
22:47:36	linuxstb	You probably need to run a full "make" once
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23:00:44	saratoga	linuxstb: have you looked into adding seeking support for wma files?
23:01:09	saratoga	i want to look into that this week
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23:02:04	pyrak	i seem to have made my font and icons the same color as my background, how do i restore visibility?
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23:02:23	pyrak	(latest rockbox distro, ipod video (5g))
23:03:34	PaulJam	turning on hold while rockbox boots resets all settings. alternatively you could edit .rockbox/config.cfg
23:03:40	pyrak	is there a safe-mode?
23:05:39	pyrak	PaulJam, hold while rockbox boots, that boots the apple firmware on mine
23:06:23	PaulJam	pyrak: turn on hold a little bit later
23:07:06	pyrak	hm, i can't find the .rockbox folder, ubuntu must have it hidden...
23:07:17	pyrak	there it is
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23:08:56	pyrak	what does backlight on button hold do?
23:09:16	pyrak	is it so that holding _any_ button makes the backlight stay on?
23:10:23	PaulJam	i think it is the backlight behaviour when the hold switch is turne on. isn't this explained in the manual?
23:10:47	linuxstb	saratoga: I've looked a little, but ASF files don't make much sense to me. What I've learnt is that each packet seems to be a constant size in terms of bytes (meaning it's trivial to seek to a particular packet), and that each payload in each packet contains a timestamp, but those timestamps didn't seem to match the number of samples decoded up to that point.
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23:16:47	linuxstb	saratoga: Did you see my reply?
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23:17:19	linuxstb	I've uploaded a patch with my work so far on seeking here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/wmaseek.diff It's mainly just outputting debugging info to try and understand the timestamps.
23:17:22	saratoga	did you look at the ffmpeg seeking code?
23:17:28	saratoga	i briefly looked at it before and it seemed to work pretty well
23:18:55	Lear	linuxstb: I think I've fixed the MP4 genre problem reported in the forum.
23:19:18	linuxstb	saratoga: I looked at it a little, but didn't really understand what it was doing.
23:19:53	pyrak	is the video playback skipping issue on the ipod video being worked on?
23:19:54	saratoga	hopefully i'll get the low bitrate issues resolved and can then look into seeking this week
23:20:28	linuxstb	Lear: What was wrong?
23:20:49	linuxstb	pyrak: What is the "video playback skipping issue" ?
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23:21:15	pyrak	linuxstb, playing videos on the ipod video doesn't work so well- the video skips
23:21:17	Lear	Didn't read text genres, only numeric ones. They're in different atoms. Turns out I had a couple of test files using text genres, but never noticed it...
23:21:20	pyrak	though the audio stays smooth
23:21:31	pyrak	it's a known issue, i'm pretty sure
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23:22:07	linuxstb	pyrak: The reason is stated on the PluginMpegplayer wiki page - the ipod video's CPU isn't fast enough to decode full-screen video at high framerates.
23:22:35	Soap	pyrak: what you are calling "skipping" is the hardware's inability to−−- linuxstb said it better.
23:23:23	pyrak	linuxstb, excuse my noobiness, but i'm just wondering if it's possible to have some kind of workaround to make videos perform smoothly, as apple's firmware has smooth video playback
23:23:25	Robin0800	pyrak,its because the Broadcom chip isn't used
23:23:33	pyrak	and at more resolutions than rockbox
23:23:45	pyrak	so it's rockbox's inability to access some of the ipod
23:23:49	pyrak	's hardware?
23:23:52	linuxstb	pyrak: Again, that's mentioned on the PluginMpegplayer wiki page...
23:24:51	linuxstb	Someone who is interested may one day work out how to use the ipod video's video decoding chip, but that's very likely to be a different plugin to mpegplayer.
23:25:48	pyrak	ok, i understand
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23:31:23	Jeton	Hi.
23:32:03	Jeton	Is there any difference in these bookmark settings for Sansa:Bookmark on stop -> Yes
23:32:09	Jeton	Bookmark on stop -> Yes-Recently ?
23:32:23	Jeton	the manual didn't had any explanation for this.
23:35:38	juxtap	what are you all using as an audio player? i assume noone uses winamp :p
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23:36:11	Jeton	why use winamp, when you can simply use Billy :) -> http://www.sheepfriends.com/?page=billy
23:36:23	juxtap	billy? hmmph
23:36:41	juxtap	oh. sorry. reads topic
23:37:02	linuxstb	juxtap: I use Rockbox of course...
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23:41:54	Jeton	Can someone look into this patch? And see if it can be applied to Sansa or all players? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2720
23:43:12	krazykit	Jeton, it'll apply to all targets
23:43:32	krazykit	if it was target-specific, you'd see it in player-type and probably in the entry
23:44:51	Jeton	it's two years old tough. maybe it needs an update
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23:48:37	Robin0800	Ive a feeling rockbox already does this
23:49:25	scorche	well, guessing wont say if it does...why dont you try?
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