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#rockbox log for 2007-07-22

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00:04:55dnanarlinuxstb: well in seems that any toshiba gigabeat are on ebay: (in french)
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00:11:38linuxstbdnanar: You'll probably have more luck buying a Gigabeat from the US. They are more common there than the EU.
00:12:15markunI bought mine from the UK
00:15:00linuxstbSo did I, but at least at the moment, there don't seem to be any left...
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00:20:24dnanar sounds good no ?
00:20:46dnanar **
00:22:01markundnanar: a bit expensive
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00:22:48markunalthough mine was used and this one is new
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00:23:56pere__hey, do players need the ata chip to connect to usb?
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00:27:51dnanarmarkun: ok
00:28:43markunpere__: so far yes, but austriancoder is working on a USB device stack
00:29:11pere__thats od
00:29:13markunThe Gigabeat S port can probably not be finished with it
00:29:51pere__my mp3 player has the ata chip separated, right now its connected
00:30:29pere__imea, the ata chip is disconected, but the player still works as a drive
00:33:44markunnot sure what you are talking about, but I have to go. Maybe someone else can help you.
00:33:51pere__ok, thanks
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02:06:48macgeekI'm converting my iPod to FAT32 on my iBook so I can install Rockbox on it, and now that I have unmounted my iPod and downloaded the correct partition table, I'm supposed to run this command: 'dd if=mbr-xxxx.bin of=/dev/diskN' in the Terminal. However, I'm not sure which disk name to use. How do I find out which to use so I don't screw up my HD or something else?
02:12:00macgeekWow, quiet channel. The disk choices I appear to have are disk0, disk0s1, disk0s3, disk1, disk1s1, disk1s2, disk1s3.
02:12:46tohtorijep/dev/sdc2 on /media/IPOD type vfat
02:13:04tohtorijepthats my ipod
02:13:06tohtorijeptype mount
02:13:27tohtorijepubuntu actually mounts ipods automatically
02:13:44tohtorijepi'm sure mac does too
02:14:22macgeektohtorijep: I don't have a /dev/sdc2
02:14:37macgeekand the instructions say it's diskN (meaning disk0, disk1, etc.)
02:14:39tohtorijeptype mount
02:14:50tohtorijepon a shell
02:15:53macgeekah, I see it
02:15:55macgeekthanks, tohtorijep
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02:19:58macgeekdarn it, apparently I can't even format my iPod mini to FAT32 :( Disk Utility doesn't give me the option, and newfs_msdos says "FAT32 is impossible with 65536 sectors"
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02:20:49macgeekthis is the command I ran: "newfs_msdos -F32 -v iPod /dev/rdisk1s2"
02:22:33macgeekIs my only other option to get access to a Windows machine? Or is there some other way I can convert it to FAT32?
02:22:46krazykityou could use a linux liveCD
02:23:09krazykitbut a windows machine would be easier
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05:36:18lymecaAm I correct in thinking that Rockbox on 5G iPods cannot play back video, much like 4G colour iPods cannot view images?
05:37:01scorcheit can play back video, but it is slower than one would like...
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05:42:16HellDragonit can play them bac
05:42:24HellDragonthey just go at like 15fps
05:42:31scorchemore like 6, but yeah..
05:42:35HellDragonalways 15 here
05:42:40scorcheit varies
05:43:48scorcheHellDragon: bidet
05:44:05HellDragonscorche: pores
05:44:16HellDragonscorche: the way you swing your hips in jeans
05:44:24scorcheenough >_>
05:44:37HellDragonwe serious'd
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07:08:32JdGordonanyone around?
07:08:47Doomedim here
07:09:47scorcheJdGordon: perhaps you should have been more specific =P
07:10:18JdGordonanyone around and bored and want to test out a patch to make sure I dont break anything?
07:13:22scorcheJdGordon: sure...what is it?"> its to get rid of the action_signalscreenchange() function and fix some problems with targets which need a combo for ACTION_STD_CANCEL
07:14:25JdGordonyou shouldnt see any difference unless it doesnt work :p
07:18:36SnakeCan rockbox open pdf?
07:18:40Snakeor is there any way to?
07:18:56SnakeHeh alright, it was a thought :)
07:19:02scorcheno =)
07:19:38SnakeJust out of curiosity, what's everyones favorite custom build?
07:19:57scorcheyou will likely find most here use the official build
07:19:57JdGordoni do my own
07:20:03scorcheor that =)
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07:25:13scorcheugh...vmware is choosing to be slow today...
07:25:49JdGordonscorche: you have an ipod?
07:26:01scorcheJdGordon: that is what i am building
07:26:23JdGordonbefore putting on the new build, can you see if you can reproduce 6164 please?
07:26:54JdGordonive got it happening on the nano here, but dunno if that was just reintroduced or asnt been fixed yet
07:27:53scorcheJdGordon: on the latest build, i assume?
07:28:13JdGordonany recent one
07:28:23JdGordonthere hasnt been an update that should affect that for a while
07:28:58scorcheam i testing the bug or the patch?
07:29:21scorcheand why is this taking over 3 min to diff?
07:29:32JdGordonthe bug without the patch please
07:29:36JdGordonand wow, thats retarted!
07:29:44JdGordondid you do diff or patch?
07:29:54scorcheof course..
07:30:12JdGordon[15:29:21] <scorche> and why is this taking over 3 min to >>>>>>diff<<<<<? is why i asked
07:30:23scorcheyeah..i realised that after i hit enter
07:30:41scorchebut this is still taking forever..
07:30:52JdGordonyou didnt forget the < did you?
07:31:01JdGordonI did that yesterday accidently
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07:34:02scorcheJdGordon: i cant reproduce that there a specific setting i should try on?
07:34:39JdGordonno, from the menu, if it doesnt start playback after exiting the vkeyboard then it was fixed
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07:36:12scorcheoh...i didnt see vkeyboard in the actual report
07:36:33JdGordondw, reverted the patch, it reintroduces it :(
07:36:58JdGordonipod button driver is fubar!
07:42:31scorcheJdGordon: have to hit a button before the scroll wheel will work with your patch on startup
07:42:45JdGordonyeah, I tihnk i;ve fixed that
07:42:54JdGordonnot very nice, but it works
07:43:05JdGordondont know why thats only on the ipods though
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07:50:50combrainscan anyone tell me why, after checking out the latest SVN code, then compiling it on the mac using compilers downloaded by the rockboxdev script I managed to brick my gigabeat?
07:50:51JdGordonyay, fixed the patch :)
07:51:18*JdGordon looks at the part of your IP and puts 2 and 2 together :p
07:51:33combrainsI have compiled and installed numerous times using linux and never had a problem
07:51:34JdGordoncombrains: obviously more info is needed
07:53:09combrainswell, to put it simply, I checked out, ran the rockbox dev script to install compilers etc, compiled the bin and the bootloader, copied them to my gigabeat, rebooted it and got a kernal panic
07:53:27combrainscompiling on mac os 10.4.10
07:54:50combrainsI dont think it has anything to do with the rockbox source coz I later downloaded a precompiled version from the site and it worked like a charm
07:55:17combrainsthat is, a precomiled bin and bootloader
07:55:24scorchethen you didnt brick it...
07:55:46combrainsI had to hotswap to get it to work - to me thats bricking
07:56:18combrainsgive me a few mins and I can give you the error I got - I still have my compiled version
07:56:34JdGordonyou shouldnt compile the bootloader for yourself
07:56:38scorchebricking basically means that you need to break out the soldering iron
07:57:00scorcheif even that would work
07:57:39combrainsok so maybe I had my wires crossed (no pun intended) but I did have to hotswap to restore it
07:57:51Snakempegplayer isnt included on the default bulds is it?
07:57:56combrainsand I have compiled the bootloader on linux many times before with no problems
07:58:05JdGordonSnake: what gave you that idea?
07:58:20SnakeJdGordon: I just didnt think it was..
07:58:27combrainsI'm wonderin if it has somthing to do with the mac versions of either the compilers of rb makefile
08:01:25combrainsI get: error! tick_add_ta
08:01:38combrainssk (): out off tasks
08:04:00combrainsany ideas?
08:06:09*JdGordon just commited to half the files in apps/ :p
08:08:37combrainsand like I said - I have compiled in linux many times with no hang-ups
08:08:58combrainsonly now I have a mac so I'm not using linux anymore
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09:43:06bluebrotheranyone against rejecting FS #7459?
09:45:55daurnimatorcan i be not not not not for it?
09:47:03bluebrothernot for rejecting or not for implementing?
09:51:57safetydanbluebrother, I'd say reject. As a feature request it's pretty useless. Maybe get them to refile the last comment as a separate feature request since that might be useful for things other than comics.
10:01:12lymecaWhat lossy format drains the least amount of battery life (4G iPod here)?
10:02:21safetydanlymeca, probably flac
10:02:35lymecasafetydan: lossy I said...
10:02:51lymecaBut wait, FLAC takes a smaller amount of battery life to decode than say, MP3 or Vorbis?
10:03:00lymecaI assumed it would be more because the HDD has to be more active
10:04:23safetydanlymeca, sorry misread.
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10:36:25JdGordonwhat ever happened to the flyspray clean out weekend which was talked about at devcon for july?
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10:41:14bluebrotherJdGordon: I wanted to announce one but got stuck writing the email ...
10:41:30bluebrotherbut I hope I get around it today.
10:42:02JdGordonI'm going through FS again now, and there are so many tasks from 3 years ago which I have no idea what they are on about
10:42:45bluebrotherhow good gmail saved my already written email as draft automatically ;-)
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12:00:56bluebrotherplease comment about this:
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12:22:40JdGordonbluebrother: for next time, pastebin really isnt a nice way to read that much text...
12:24:47JdGordonbluebrother: I take it thats for the user ml? I was under the impression the clean up would be done by "us"...
12:27:31bluebrotherwell, I intended to send it to users and dev ML
12:28:09bluebrotherwhere should I put the text otherwise? A plain text file also wouldn't be better.
12:28:41JdGordoni dunno, but pastebin isnt very nice...
12:29:20bluebrotherI don't know of anything that's suited better (though there might be equal options that pastebin)
12:29:30JdGordonanyway, I thought maybe a set of uidlines we can agree on before we start so we know when we can close a task without discussing
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12:30:13JdGordonalso, see if we can use the "assign to" feature of FS to get some bugs sorted
12:30:24bluebrotherthen there is some more discussion needed −− either here or on the dev ML.
12:30:54bluebrotherwe could start using the "due in version" entry, as that would make the roadmap feature reflecting the current state better.
12:31:27JdGordonexcpet is anyone still interesed in "releasing"?
12:32:33bluebrotheraccording to the DevCon2007 page a release is still planned
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12:35:43bluebrothermy idea was to get users helping to clean up the tracker. Devs should do anyway if they find the time ;-)
12:35:57bluebrotherbut I'll wait another day with sending the mail.
12:36:31bluebrotherif someone not around right now wants to tell me thoughs about my proposal please hilight me. I'll check logs tomorrow
12:37:22JdGordonI think we need somewhere to put a comment saying task X was looked at.. we dont really want to fill the tracker with such comments, and we dont wont 15 ppl looking at the same tasks
12:38:15bluebrotherwell, the only way users can help is commenting ...
12:38:28JdGordoni know :( having "cant reproduce, reproducable, doesnt work, etc" would be good on a comment
12:39:05bluebrotherand I don't see a problem with multiple comments −− if there are, say 3 comments "seems to be fixed, can't reproduce" I think we can safely close the task
12:39:39scorchefor most users, i think they can only really help with bugs though
12:39:58scorcheand i hope this doesnt end up being a flood of "i want this feature too!"
12:40:07JdGordonI tihnk it will...
12:40:29bluebrotherright. But I wanted to give a hint to people who do custom builds too.
12:40:43bluebrothermaybe add a "do not file new feature requests during that week"?
12:40:46JdGordonalso, I think we should have a category for patches which have been rejected, but to allow the maintainer to still update it easily
12:41:20bluebrotherthis was discussed before but rejected.
12:41:25scorchewith 284 open patches, i am not sure how well it would go if people were to compile builds for the users to try
12:41:46bluebrotherthe main reason was that Rockbox shouldn't host patches that are rejected, as it's the code of somebody else
12:42:00bluebrotherand there is enough free web space for hosting such diffs around
12:43:47scorcheare patches rejected if they simply are not done the way we want them to be in order to be committed, or are these just the "will never be committed" patches?
12:43:59bluebrotherthe latter
12:44:20bluebrotherif patches are not done the right way they usually get a "please do it the right way" comment.
12:44:24JdGordonwell, both... but mostly the latter
12:44:28scorchealright... /me hasnt been in flyspray much for a while
12:44:31bluebrotherwell, if somebody cares enought about it ;-)
12:45:28JdGordonand completly changing subject.... does anyone care enough about restructuring the menus to do somethigng about it?
12:46:06bluebrotherI do, but I have other stuff to do first. So if someone else is faster than me it's fine.
12:47:40JdGordonaliask: is your superdom plugin still a WIP?
12:51:28daurnimatorhey JdGordon and aliask
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12:52:41daurnimatorwhats new?
12:52:50JdGordoni start work tomoorow :'(
12:52:58JdGordonbye bye free time
12:53:15daurnimatorJdGordon: have you noticed that tv has REALLY deteriorated in quality in the last few weeks?
12:53:29JdGordoni dont watch tv anymore coz its so crap
12:53:47*scorche beckons the "downunderians" to #rockbox-community =)
12:54:15daurnimatorI've turned it on a few times lately while bored - and there is absolutely nothing on
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12:54:26*JdGordon slaps aliask around with a txt help file instead of his list
12:54:47daurnimatornot even a crime show (CSI, NCIS) - they are at least slightly watchable
12:54:56*scorche sighs
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12:56:00JdGordonaliask: your numpad is upside down :p
12:56:03JdGordonbut nice
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13:00:35Nick_BrackleyIs anyone willing/able to sync the backlight_filter (FS #5047) patch?
13:02:54JdGordonNico_P: ^
13:04:16*Nico_P takes a look
13:04:36JdGordon"mode0,mode1,mode2,mode3" <- nice and useful config strings there :p
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13:05:26Nico_Phehe :)
13:05:55Nico_PJdGordon: you removed apps/settings_menu.c recently, didn't you ?
13:06:05JdGordonits still there
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13:18:12Nico_PNick_Brackley: I'll rely on you for the testing
13:18:36Nick_Brackleyyeah no problem
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13:29:03Nico_PJdGordon: I have no idea what the hunk in apps/seeting_menu.c is about
13:29:22JdGordonpastebin the .rej?
13:29:50Nico_Pthere's not much there... basically it's the same as the patch hunk
13:30:12JdGordonI didnt apply the patch so i dont know what it is...
13:30:30JdGordonah.. hmm
13:31:28JdGordonignore it i tihnk
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13:31:43Nico_Papps/settings_menu.c doesn't exist so I tried apps/menus/settings_menu.c
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13:31:47Nico_POK I'll try that
13:43:01Nick_BrackleyNico_P: Ok, patching and compiling now.....
13:45:09JdGordon:'( I have nice backlight fading working on the e200 when the ldc is turning off.. i cant turn it on again though :p
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13:52:17aliaskJdGordon: Yep, definitely still a WIP. The last bugfix caused that dodgy numpad stuff
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13:52:32aliaskIt was a "close my eyes and hope this works" fix.
13:53:10Nick_BrackleyNico_P: Where are the settings for it?
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13:58:41linuxstbSlasheri: Are you around?
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14:01:28linuxstbSlasheri: Am I right in thinking that when someone plays some files from the database, each file is added individually to the playlist?
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14:02:02Slasherilinuxstb: yes, that sounds correct
14:02:05linuxstbAs opposed to playing from the file browser, where the .playlist_control file contains the "playlist command" used to add the files.
14:02:55linuxstbI was just wondering if it's possible (and if you're thought about) doing something similar with the database. A common complaint seems to be the long time it takes to create a long playlist (e.g. all tracks) from the database.
14:03:02Slasheriwell, playlist code is used anyway to add files to tha playlist_control
14:03:24Slasherihmm.. that shouldn't take very long
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14:04:20Slasheridatabase query needs to be created, and then files returned by that query are retrievied added to the playlist (or playlist_control) using playlist interface
14:06:07LearAnd if a playlist command for that is added, something similar can be used to bookmark a db selection.
14:06:13linuxstbI guess my question is if that query could be stored in .playlist_control, rather than the individual files.
14:06:58linuxstbi.e. make the playlist code more database-oriented, rather than file oriented. (and if that's a good idea...)
14:07:02Slasheriwell, i have no idea about that. the created playlist should be stored in .playlist_control (is there any other place)
14:07:22Slasherinow i got it
14:07:44Slasheriso you mean it could store db index numbers in the playlist_control instead of file names?
14:08:08linuxstbI mean storing the query, rather than the results of the query.
14:08:17Slasheriah, hmm
14:08:28Slasheribut then db code would need to know how the execute the query
14:08:42Nick_BrackleyNico_P: where do i find the settings for the patch, i looked in settings −−> general settings −−> display −−> lcd settings and i cant find them
14:09:37LearYes, the way I see it is that a query could be read from or written to a file (string, really).
14:10:43JdGordonwoot :) got backlight fading working
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14:12:50Nico_PNick_Brackley: That's probably missing in tha patch
14:12:55Nico_PI'll have a look ASAP
14:13:18linuxstbJdGordon: On what?
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14:14:12JdGordonthere are 2 dimmming systems... pwm and HAVE_BACKLIGHT_SET_FADING which only the gb (and now sansa) uses, is one better than the other?
14:14:27PaulJamJdGordon: in the folebrowser and database, when holding left it used to stop at the root and you have to press left again to get to the main menu. could it be that this behaviour has changed with your last commit (it now goes straight to the main menu)?
14:14:54JdGordoncrap, yeah, its possible I broke that
14:15:34SlasheriJdGordon: sure, the one that uses hardware pwm/voltage adjustment is better / less cpu intense
14:16:12SlasheriPWM is software only in rockbox and needs to generate interrupts by one dedicated timer very frequently
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14:16:59JdGordonso set_fading is the prefered way?
14:17:19Slasheriif that uses hardware directly (where available), sure
14:17:30JdGordonok cool :)
14:19:11JdGordonPaulJam: if you want to fix your problem, change the action context in tree.c to CONTEXT_TREE if it isnt that already
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14:25:22JdGordondoes anyone have any idea why the 2 commented lines causes the sansa to crash/freeze in"> ?__backlight_off() calls lcd_enable(false); without any problems
14:26:33aliaskJdGordon: Was the numpad really still messed up?
14:26:57JdGordonno, just upsidedown... top row was 123 instead of 789
14:27:10JdGordonclr and ok were on the bottom so it wasnt all that bad
14:27:59aliaskOh, I thought that 9 was inputting 1 or similar
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14:28:15aliaskIt's just how a phone is, not how a numpad is :P
14:28:22*aliask too lazy to fix it
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14:53:21JdGordonwell said!
14:53:51amiconnThe action screenchange rework breaks the soft shutdown on recorder v1
14:54:16amiconnI'll check why
14:54:53amiconnJdGordon: Btw, your settings cleanup a few weeks ago broke another thing: the settings which have a different headline than their menu name
14:55:20amiconnMost prominent and annyoing example: the scroll speed and scroll step settings. They lost their example text...
14:55:27Nick_BrackleyNico_P: any progress?
14:55:55JdGordonhrmpf :p
14:56:05amiconnwell said!
14:57:01JdGordonhow does it break the soft shutdown?
14:57:24amiconnThe splash "press OFF to shut down " disappears at the first release
14:59:55amiconnI think I already found the problem, building ...
15:00:26amiconnSome time ago, unknown/blocked actions used to return ACTION_UNKNOWN
15:01:45amiconnNow they return ACTION_NONE
15:02:04Nico_PNick_Brackley: sorry no, I've been busy
15:02:21Nico_PJdGordon: where's the display settings menu code ?
15:02:31JdGordonmenu/display_menu.c ?
15:02:40amiconnLooks like that was the problem. I just had to change a case: value
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15:04:34amiconnThere's a very minor quirk no, but I think we can live with that
15:05:09amiconnSoft shutdown on recorder v1 is supposed to be OFF - OFF, but due to the action system, OFF - LEFT also works now
15:05:31amiconn(because LEFT and OFF are both cancel in the standard context)
15:05:52JdGordonyou can check the actual button press if its really important
15:06:19Nico_PI'll look in a bit
15:06:25amiconnNow if you could fix the headline thing...
15:07:19JdGordonput it on FS and assign to me... trying to get this working correctly
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15:12:54JdGordonis it maybe bad to call lcd_enable() from a tick task?
15:13:11amiconnThat's often very bad
15:13:20amiconntick tasks are interrupt context
15:14:46amiconnThat's why the backlight handling works like it does - by the tick only posting messages to a thread, which then handles the switching
15:15:47amiconnThe original reason wasn't lcd_enable, but that backlight switching on recorders involves i2c commands - which must not be issued from inerrupt context without special measures well
15:16:29amiconnNow there multiple actions which need this precaution, e.g. the lcd enable/disable
15:17:38JdGordonso calling pp_i2c_send() in a tick task is very bad?
15:18:33amiconnI don't know whether the pp i2c can be used within isrs, but lcd_enable involves sleep() - which must never be called from interrupts
15:19:24*amiconn wonders what JdGordon is trying to do
15:19:31JdGordonbacklight fading on the sansa
15:19:41JdGordonits working fine as long as lcd_enable isnt called
15:19:55tumusomeone should fix the lcd corruption on sansa instead :)
15:20:05amiconnWhy don't you just reuse the code that's already there?
15:20:17JdGordonthe pwm code?
15:20:32JdGordonbecause I wasnt sure if it would work for the sansa
15:20:45amiconnHow is backlight controlled on sansa?
15:20:58JdGordonpp_i2c_send( 0x46, 0x23, current_brightness);
15:21:15amiconnAh, so it has hardware pwm?
15:21:49JdGordonI guess so
15:21:55amiconnStill, I don't see why you need to call lcd_enable in isr context
15:22:16amiconnJust handle the fading in the tick task and let the backlight thread disable the lcd as normal
15:22:42JdGordonthe problem is the backlight thread doesnt know when the fading is finished
15:22:54amiconnThen tell it...
15:23:10amiconnSend a message
15:23:46*amiconn wants to know how to do lcd disable on H10
15:24:32JdGordonmarkun: you round?
15:24:43Arathisamiconn: isn't lcd disable already enabled on H10?
15:24:57markunJdGordon: yes, but watching a movie with my gf
15:25:16JdGordonok, I wont disturb you then
15:25:41markunWhat's it about?
15:25:57JdGordondoes the gigabeat disable the lcd when it finishes fading?
15:26:26amiconnArathis: No it's not. On colour targets where we know how, the lcd is disabled when backlight is disabled (because it's not readable anyway - with 2 exceptions), in order to save some cpu time and hence battery
15:27:05Arathisthought barrywardell did that month ago o.O
15:28:22amiconnHmm, seems it's done for the 20GB, but not for the 5GB
15:29:39Arathisbarry's got an 20GB. perhaps he didn't manage to enable lcd disable for 5/6GB without a unit to test himself
15:29:46amiconnDifferent lcd controller... but they can't be much different
15:33:02*amiconn is testing a freeze fix for H10
15:41:34*JdGordon has a very intersting problem now..
15:41:49JdGordonthe sansa is dimming the lcd as soon as its turned back on
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15:44:14JdGordonhaha, im a dill :)
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15:45:11Arathisamiconn: is it btw possible to dimm the backlight on H10s?
15:45:28amiconnI don't know (yet)
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15:48:34Nick_BrackleyNico_P: well i'm gonna go soonish, are you just going to put the patch on flyspray?
15:48:44Nico_PNick_Brackley: ok
15:48:56Nico_PI'm trying to figure out the new API
15:49:11JdGordonamiconn: it doesnt make sense to sleep the lcd unless its been disabled, does it?
15:49:30Nick_BrackleyNico_P: ok, thankyou for all your work on this, it is very appreciated!
15:49:56Nico_Pyou're welcome :)
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16:23:38PaulJamn1s: are you the one who did the set time/date screen rework?
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17:07:19chrisjs169|brbwhat file in the source controls the inverse line selector?
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17:17:37linuxstbchrisjs169|brb: Probably the list widget code - apps/gui/list.c
17:19:06chrisjs169|brblinuxstb: that's what I thought, but I commented out that file in the SOURCES file, and the inverse line selector still appeared
17:20:49chrisjs169|brbweird - now I try commenting it out, and make outputs a ton of errors
17:20:54linuxstbHuh? If you commented out that line, I would expect a lot of compiler errors....
17:21:14linuxstbWhat are you trying to do?
17:22:08chrisjs169|brbI'm trying to see if I can modify the line selector....maybe make was caching it...
17:23:52linuxstbWhat do you want to change it to?
17:24:57chrisjs169|brbI'm just experimenting with it right now
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17:30:58Nico_Plinuxstb: interesting proposal :)
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19:27:23loanalguien habla espa├▒ol???
19:27:45iambenun poco
19:27:49loanentiendo ingles pero seria mejor en espa├▒ol
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19:29:19loancomo me puedo salir del jpgviewer en mi iPod mini 2g
19:30:30iambeni dont have an ipod, but on my sansa i have to press the 'record' button to get to the menu
19:30:53iambenwhich is kind of strange, and took me a while to figure out
19:33:41iambencheck this page for controls:
19:33:54loanoh thanx
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19:42:46preglowwow, a gigabeat s port
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19:44:59Doomedthhe startings of it at least
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19:45:57preglowwhich is more than enough to make me happy :)
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19:51:02loanwhere can i download the doom2
19:51:10loanfor iPod mini 2g
19:52:26loanin rockbox
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19:54:39preglowyou dont need to download it, its included
19:55:19preglowthe data files you need to get yourseldf
19:56:04jhMikeSpreglow: how's it going? you've been scarce lately.
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20:02:38loanwhere can i get the data files???
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20:04:00Doomeddata files?
20:04:11loanof doom 2
20:04:33toffe82loan: puedes encontrar el archivo freedoom aqui :
20:05:05loanpero no el freedoom
20:05:10loanel original
20:05:21loanclaro q si no c puede...
20:05:29toffe82tienes que tener el original para pc
20:05:48jhMikeSesta es una canal ingles, gracia :P
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20:06:42toffe82jhMikeS: one question, did I send you a remote with the f40 ?
20:09:15loancan i openn a spanish channel
20:09:50jhMikeStoffe82: yeah, I got everything
20:10:38toffe82jhMikeS: ok, I didn't remember, as I going to receive 10 remote
20:11:55jhMikeSI haven't actually tried it yet though. I don't use a remote very often. Almost exclusively for logf stuff.
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20:23:21jhMikeSloan: I don't know if you need permission for that. :\
20:24:17loani opened it and it dont putted any problem
20:24:38loani want to know if it is legal or illegal
20:24:53loanand sorry for my bad english
20:24:59krazykitit's legal.
20:25:01loani speak spanish
20:25:16loanhispano parlantes
20:25:38loanya hay un canal en espa├▒ol
20:25:50loanmetanse es #es.rockbox
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21:14:59a1titudeDoes anyone know if there is a way to change the back-light brightness for the Video iPods?
21:16:02Doomedshould be in the display menu
21:17:26Robin0800a1titude,think you need a patch for that
21:17:37linuxstba1titude: There's a patch here to support it -
21:17:51preglowjhMikeS: yeah, vacation time. i'm about to become scarce for another week too
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21:18:37a1titudelinuxstb: Do you know why it hasn't been implemented into the firmware?
21:18:41Robin0800linuxstb,not sure that the patch works correctly though Doom problem etc
21:19:11a1titudeI think that just answered my question, thanks
21:20:45linuxstbRobin0800: There's no mention of Doom on the flyspray task..
21:21:32a1titudeSo is there a reason this hasn't been implemented into the firmware yet?
21:22:22linuxstbI guess no developer has taken an interest in it, and no-one has been pushing for its inclusion.
21:23:01Robin0800linuxstb,perhaps thats been cured but if its the same one as used in unsupported builds Doom won't run unless brightness set to max
21:23:10kkurbjunis anyone around who is familiar with the new menu code
21:23:45kkurbjunspecifically I would like to know what the equivalent of the struct opt_items would be for the new menucode
21:24:17linuxstbI think there's a wiki page describing it.
21:24:30a1titude linuxstb: Shame, I can see it coming wanted in the future, it would be another battery improvement.
21:24:33kkurbjunI'm looking at
21:24:51kkurbjunmaybe I'm missing it, but I don't see an equivalent
21:25:00jhMikeSpreglow: sounds nice
21:25:32linuxstba1titude: Then test the patch, report any bugs on flyspray, test the battery life on your ipod both with and without that patch, and then ask for it to be committed.
21:26:27Robin0800a1titude,the last comment on the patch sayes its out of sync
21:26:28preglowjhMikeS: and so it is
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21:26:55a1titude linuxstb: If I find the time, I will.
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21:27:09kkurbjunhmm, I think MENUITEM_SETTING might be it, but it seems to indicate that I have to put the setting options in the core rather than a plugin
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21:29:33Robin0800alberink,just found this IMPORTANT: to play doom, and use mpegplayer you will need to set the brightness to 15
21:32:38Robin0800linuxstb,why this comment IMPORTANT: to play doom, and use mpegplayer you will need to set the brightness to 15 is not on the tracker I don't know shall I add it?
21:33:47linuxstbRobin0800: Where does it say that?
21:34:29linuxstbBut yes, if that's the case, it would be useful to add it to the flyspray page so people know about it (especially the author of the patch).
21:35:26Robin0800linuxstb,the read me on the first page of Ipod 5/5.5G (30GB / 60GB / 80GB) - EvilG Build - in the forum
21:36:23lymecaCan 5G iPods with Rockbox play videos?
21:37:35linuxstbPoorly. But you can dual-boot into the Apple firmware.
21:43:29Robin0800linuxstb,I note the patch has not had any activity for the last month
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21:50:45loanwith the mpegviewer
21:50:52loanyou can
21:56:37Soul-Slayerloan: However it doesn't work as efficiently as the OF's video player. Yet.
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21:59:17LloreanSoul-Slayer: It's not likely ever to.
22:01:14Robin0800Soul-Slayer,unless rockbox can use the video chip which no one knows much about
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22:03:00TTSbox__Is there a way to get Rockbox compile without making it compile so many files even if you configure again?
22:03:13LloreanRobin0800: Even then, that's unlikely to improve MPEG-1/2 video playback, but perhaps offer MP4 video playback.
22:03:27TTSbox__I eliminated some plugins for speedier development
22:03:52TTSbox__but maybe there is a make switch to get make less number of files
22:04:13oboTTSbox__: make bin skips all plugins and codecs
22:04:41TTSbox__but I am developing a plugin
22:04:59TTSbox__so it will skip my plugin too
22:05:50oboyes - I guess the only other way is to comment out SOURCES
22:05:56TTSbox__I guess I can not run make only in my plugin's folder
22:06:06obodo you have ccache installed?
22:06:13TTSbox__what is that
22:06:37oboit caches the compile process, speeding up rebuilds
22:06:50scorcheTTSbox__: if you dont make clean, it will only re-compile what has changed
22:06:52TTSbox__I am using the wmvare tool
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22:07:32TTSbox__If I don't re-configure, yes
22:07:45TTSbox__it only recompiles things unchanged
22:07:51TTSbox__but when I add a source
22:08:01TTSbox__I run configure again
22:08:16TTSbox__and this results the make to take much longer
22:08:51TTSbox__For somethings it says Nothing to be done for `all'
22:09:00TTSbox__but it takes much much longer
22:09:13TTSbox__than a make withour rerunning configure
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22:16:49linuxstbTTSbox__: Sounds like a problem with your plugin's Makefile - you should rarely need to rerun configure.
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22:17:50TTSbox__I am not very experienced with makefiles, so I thought I can just let the configure generate the makefiles
22:18:06linuxstbIs your plugin in its own subdirectory?
22:18:25TTSbox__So I put sources in it
22:18:42linuxstbThen you need your own Makefile in that subdirectory, and to add the name of your subdirectory to apps/plugins/SUBDIRS
22:19:49linuxstbYou can copy an existing Makefile from one of the other plugins - Sudoku is probably a good example. You probably then just need to search and replace "sudoku" with the name of your plugin in the Makefile.
22:21:04TTSbox__I have done these too
22:21:18TTSbox__so now I just can run only that makefile?
22:21:36TTSbox__instead of the one making Rockbox
22:21:56TTSbox__I don't think so
22:22:06linuxstbNo, but you can run "make rocks" which just compiles the plugins.
22:22:24TTSbox__that is good
22:22:33Nico_Plinuxstb: seen my commit ?
22:22:40linuxstbBut running "make" when nothing needs to be recompiled shouldn't take long - it only takes about 3 seconds for me.
22:23:25linuxstbNico_P: Yes, but I didn't look closely.
22:24:24Nico_Pok... no need anyway. it's pretty basic
22:24:32TTSbox__and I need to make install again too
22:24:40TTSbox__after make rocks
22:25:20Nico_PTTSbox__: yes
22:25:39linuxstbYes. But if you've just changed your plugin, you can just copy the .rock file directly. I normally do something like "make && cp apps/plugins/sudoku.rock archos/.rockbox/plugins/"
22:26:10linuxstb(the && means "run the second command if the first command succeeded")
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22:46:24TTSbox__I am trying to do what you instructed now, but I must have screwed up somewhere. I copied back original SOURCES and SUBDIRS files in plugins directory but it gives this error when I save make rocks make[2]: *** No rule to make target `sysfont.h', needed by `/rockbox/build_h120/apps/plugins/lib/oldmenuapi.o'. Stop.
22:46:59TTSbox__I mean when I run make rocks
22:47:36linuxstbYou probably need to run a full "make" once
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23:00:44saratogalinuxstb: have you looked into adding seeking support for wma files?
23:01:09saratogai want to look into that this week
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23:02:04pyraki seem to have made my font and icons the same color as my background, how do i restore visibility?
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23:02:23pyrak(latest rockbox distro, ipod video (5g))
23:03:34PaulJamturning on hold while rockbox boots resets all settings. alternatively you could edit .rockbox/config.cfg
23:03:40pyrakis there a safe-mode?
23:05:39pyrakPaulJam, hold while rockbox boots, that boots the apple firmware on mine
23:06:23PaulJampyrak: turn on hold a little bit later
23:07:06pyrakhm, i can't find the .rockbox folder, ubuntu must have it hidden...
23:07:17pyrakthere it is
23:08:27***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
23:08:56pyrakwhat does backlight on button hold do?
23:09:16pyrakis it so that holding _any_ button makes the backlight stay on?
23:10:23PaulJami think it is the backlight behaviour when the hold switch is turne on. isn't this explained in the manual?
23:10:47linuxstbsaratoga: I've looked a little, but ASF files don't make much sense to me. What I've learnt is that each packet seems to be a constant size in terms of bytes (meaning it's trivial to seek to a particular packet), and that each payload in each packet contains a timestamp, but those timestamps didn't seem to match the number of samples decoded up to that point.
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23:16:47linuxstbsaratoga: Did you see my reply?
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23:17:19linuxstbI've uploaded a patch with my work so far on seeking here - It's mainly just outputting debugging info to try and understand the timestamps.
23:17:22saratogadid you look at the ffmpeg seeking code?
23:17:28saratogai briefly looked at it before and it seemed to work pretty well
23:18:55Learlinuxstb: I think I've fixed the MP4 genre problem reported in the forum.
23:19:18linuxstbsaratoga: I looked at it a little, but didn't really understand what it was doing.
23:19:53pyrakis the video playback skipping issue on the ipod video being worked on?
23:19:54saratogahopefully i'll get the low bitrate issues resolved and can then look into seeking this week
23:20:28linuxstbLear: What was wrong?
23:20:49linuxstbpyrak: What is the "video playback skipping issue" ?
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23:21:15pyraklinuxstb, playing videos on the ipod video doesn't work so well- the video skips
23:21:17LearDidn't read text genres, only numeric ones. They're in different atoms. Turns out I had a couple of test files using text genres, but never noticed it...
23:21:20pyrakthough the audio stays smooth
23:21:31pyrakit's a known issue, i'm pretty sure
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23:22:07linuxstbpyrak: The reason is stated on the PluginMpegplayer wiki page - the ipod video's CPU isn't fast enough to decode full-screen video at high framerates.
23:22:35Soappyrak: what you are calling "skipping" is the hardware's inability to−−- linuxstb said it better.
23:23:23pyraklinuxstb, excuse my noobiness, but i'm just wondering if it's possible to have some kind of workaround to make videos perform smoothly, as apple's firmware has smooth video playback
23:23:25Robin0800pyrak,its because the Broadcom chip isn't used
23:23:33pyrakand at more resolutions than rockbox
23:23:45pyrakso it's rockbox's inability to access some of the ipod
23:23:49pyrak's hardware?
23:23:52linuxstbpyrak: Again, that's mentioned on the PluginMpegplayer wiki page...
23:24:51linuxstbSomeone who is interested may one day work out how to use the ipod video's video decoding chip, but that's very likely to be a different plugin to mpegplayer.
23:25:48pyrakok, i understand
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23:32:03JetonIs there any difference in these bookmark settings for Sansa:Bookmark on stop -> Yes
23:32:09JetonBookmark on stop -> Yes-Recently ?
23:32:23Jetonthe manual didn't had any explanation for this.
23:35:38juxtapwhat are you all using as an audio player? i assume noone uses winamp :p
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23:36:11Jetonwhy use winamp, when you can simply use Billy :) ->
23:36:23juxtapbilly? hmmph
23:36:41juxtapoh. sorry. *reads topic*
23:37:02linuxstbjuxtap: I use Rockbox of course...
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23:41:54JetonCan someone look into this patch? And see if it can be applied to Sansa or all players?
23:43:12krazykitJeton, it'll apply to all targets
23:43:32krazykitif it was target-specific, you'd see it in player-type and probably in the entry
23:44:51Jetonit's two years old tough. maybe it needs an update
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23:48:37Robin0800Ive a feeling rockbox already does this
23:49:25scorchewell, guessing wont say if it does...why dont you try?
23:49:27davinanight night
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