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#rockbox log for 2007-07-23

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00:10:50Robin0800scorche,well whenever my ipods gone off it either resumes playback or stops on a menue screen where youcan select rusme playback
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00:13:46Robin_0800night night
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00:50:00lxxhi all
00:50:06lxxi have ipod 80gb
00:50:14lxxi wan install rockbox
00:50:37krazykiti suggest reading the manual
00:50:40tohtorijepdo it man!!!
00:50:46krazykitit explains how to install it
00:50:57lxxbut i have 20gb on my ipod data files not mp3 it just 2 dvd`s
00:51:32lxxafter rockbox install files will be ok or the deleted?
00:52:02krazykitrockbox does not delete any files. it will, however, alter the bootloader
00:53:29lxxso after bootloader files can ve delted or all will be ok and i no need to worry?
00:53:55krazykitwhat files are you talking about?
00:54:32krazykitrockbox requires the modified bootloader and the actual software, found in .rockbox on the player
00:54:36*linuxstb would worry if his ipod contained the only copies of important files
00:56:57lxxit not copies
00:57:59lxxso how do you think i need copy this two dvd`s on my pc hard drive before intalling rockbox and bootloader?
00:58:47krazykitit wouldn't be a bad idea.
00:58:54linuxstbI would say it's very unlikely anything will go wrong, but no-one can give you a guarantee.
01:02:58markunlxx: why do you want to install rockbox?
01:04:16lxxi hate copy files via itunes or other software i want copy mp3`s to my ipod like like on my SDcard
01:04:34markunsounds like a good reason :)
01:05:01linuxstbjhMikeS: I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying in your email to the dev list... Do you think the proposal is useful?
01:05:10lxx+rockbox support FLAC
01:06:03linuxstblxx: If you have a basic level of computer skills then you shouldn't have any problems installing Rockbox. As others mentioned earlier, the manual describes the installation process.
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01:07:49lxxi know but i read somwhere in manual i cant listen mp3`s what i copied via itunes after i intall rockbox its true?
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01:08:31Soul-SlayerYou can use the database to listen to the music you have already copied on
01:08:40Soul-SlayerBut not the file browser (Efficiently anyway)
01:08:46markunlxx: do you remember where in the manual you read it?
01:08:50krazykitlxx, what you can't play are the files you bought from the itunes store
01:08:52linuxstblxx: The only itunes files you can't play are DRM-protected AAC files and Audible files.
01:09:10linuxstbkrazykit: Unless they're DRM-free...
01:09:21krazykitoh right, they did start that didn't they
01:10:46lxxother question rockbox support bookmarks in mp3 audiobooks?
01:12:45markunrockbox supports bookmarking if that's what you mean
01:13:18lxxyeah thats what i mean
01:13:55markundoes the ipod firmware support it?
01:14:39linuxstbI believe it does, but only in files identified as audiobooks (.m4b files IIRC).
01:15:00jhMikeSlinuxstb: I think so to have "experts" in certain areas of code, sure as well as someone to consult about possible bugs or side-effects when accepting FS patches. I was saying there it has seemed to occur anyway without actually declaring someone as an official maintainer.
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01:38:22webguest09can anyone help me with installing rockbox on the ipod
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01:40:19scorchewhat problems are you encountering?
01:40:28LloreanHe's gone.
01:40:32LloreanOnly lasted 24 seconds. i see...
01:41:02scorcheLlorean: can you add "useless polls" to the forum guidelines please?
01:41:22LloreanDo we even need polls?
01:41:42scorchenot really, but i can see a use for them in some cases
01:41:56*scorche sighs at
01:43:38LloreanCan you see a use for them for regular members?
01:44:40scorcheyes, but nothing we cant do without
01:44:53LloreanI think I'm just gonna disable polls for normal users then.
01:45:00LloreanThey all seem to be like that these days.
01:45:17LloreanI remember one like "Can you help me?" with "Yes" and "No" being the answers
01:45:33scorcheand the one i linked above
01:45:39scorchequite useless
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02:06:40xiambaxmy ipod is frozen at "Data abort at 40001410" how do i restart rockbox?
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02:12:00BigMacxiambax: Yes?
02:12:23xiambaxyou a rockbox guru?
02:13:16scorchexiambax: it is considered quite rude to go about how you are to find a question
02:13:31scorches/find/find the answer to
02:14:02xiambaxruder of you to say so.
02:14:41Lloreanxiambax: Highlighting individuals to try to get them to help, and not simply being patient, is considered very rude.
02:14:44scorcheno it isnt...i am enforcing the guidelines of the channel which you should have read before you spoke
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02:14:55xiambaxok then.
02:14:57scorchexiambax: why dont you just search google for reset ipod and see what comes up?
02:15:14xiambaxi know how to reset an ipod using hold and the menu and select button
02:15:16xiambaxit isnt working
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02:15:24scorchethen you likely arent doing it right
02:15:28LloreanTry again, it'll work if you do it right.
02:16:03xiambaxiv been doing it right now awhile now
02:16:36scorcheyou are doing it exactly how it says to here?
02:16:37nekura42try unplugging it, if it's plugged in at all
02:16:45xiambaxah there we go
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04:25:27themeatHowdy everybody. I own an iRiver H10 20GB with today's version of rockbox just installed on it. I turned off the idle poweroff limit to rule out this occurrence. Anyway: when left to play sitting normally on the table top under no particular stress, not on hold, without my interference, the player simply freezes and will not respond until I press the reset button and power it back up. It has been doing this ever since around the June
04:25:27themeat20th release. Is there a way to fix that while using a more updated version? There was another bug in the June 20th release that was less annoying, but I still didn't want to deal with it.
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04:32:59saratogai don't see anything that would specifically impact the H10 in the changes made on the 20th
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04:36:31themeatThe 20th was the release which didn't have that problem.
04:36:59themeatI was gone for three and a half weeks, then I updated with the version of last Saturday which randomly froze.
04:36:59saratogawhat was the first one that did have a problem
04:37:46themeatThen I tried going backwards, and all of them froze up to the point I gave up which was around a few days after the 20th of June.
04:38:22themeatHold on, let me find out exactly...
04:38:53themeatThe 22nd.
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04:42:05saratogawhat is the revision number of the last working build?
04:43:10themeatIs that on the version number preceded by an r?
04:47:41themeatI'm going to assume which case it is r13681
04:49:02saratoga13681 is a change to the rockbox manual
04:49:55saratogayou mean 13682 doesn't work?
04:50:40themeatHas no one else had this problem?
04:50:59saratoganot that i know of
04:51:13saratogaits odd that you would have it, that change should impact all color targets
04:51:38saratogatheres nothing H10 specific about it
04:52:05saratogaone thing you could try is just updating your bootloader, since sometimes very old ones break on newer builds
04:52:09saratogathough thats a long shot
04:52:29themeatHmm...could it be a flaw in the device itself?
04:53:47saratogadoes the original firmware still work normally
04:54:04themeatI never even used it. As soon as this arrived I installed rockbox.
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04:57:18webguest35I have a Toshiba Gigabeat F40
04:57:26webguest35..and I want to try Rockbox
04:58:47webguest35but before that I wanna know if I can make different partitions in its hard disk to install linux and still ROCKBOX functions properly
04:58:55webguest35anyone have an idea?
04:59:33krazykitwebguest35, chill
04:59:34Lloreanwebguest35: 1) Please read the channel guidelines
04:59:36themeatSo the original firmware seems to work perfectly fine...
04:59:43krazykitit takes a few moments for people to answer
04:59:43LloreanThey ask that you have patience.
04:59:53Llorean2) What do you mean "Install Linux" on your Gigabeat?
04:59:56themeatAlso, it is in colour.
05:00:03webguest35thanks! it seemed that no one was participating
05:00:30Lloreanwebguest35: If nobody answers, nobody answers. But don't post "Heloooo?" type lines.
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05:00:46webguest35well, if can install a linux distribution in a partition on the hard disk, I guess its possible to use it as my portable OS to use in different macines
05:01:51LloreanIt should be possible as long as you don't destroy the FAT32 partition.
05:02:12saratogathemeat: i suppose you could ask JdGordon about that the next time hes on
05:02:16saratogaat least i have no idea
05:02:50webguest35Thanks Lorean, but my question is does the FAT32 partion NEED to be the first partition to RockBox to fucntion properly?
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05:03:09themeatHmmm. Okay. Thanks a lot for trying to help. Any particular times that JdGordon is habitually online?
05:03:29Lloreanwebguest35: It expects it to be installed to the first primary fat32 partition, if I understand correctly.
05:03:40webguest35Thanks saratoga, have u any idea on when can I find him or someone else with knowledge about this?
05:03:47saratogathemeat: i think hes in europe, so daytime there woudl be a good bet
05:03:53Lloreansaratoga: Australia
05:04:04themeatDamn. No time is good for that.
05:04:10webguest35anothe question if anyone know
05:04:20themeatWhoops, sorry. Forgot about the language thing. Alright. Thanks saratoga.
05:04:20saratogawebguest35: thanks for what?
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05:05:39webguest35I have tried many times (well like 3 times in 3 different days) to register to the forum, but the "register" button at the bottom of the page is inactive no matter what!
05:05:58webguest35and I checked in 2 browsers: Firefox + Opera
05:06:46webguest35Does anyone know if there is something special needs to be done to register at the forums?
05:06:54krazykitclick the button is all, really
05:07:11krazykitdo you have a 3rd party firewall? it might be interfering in the name of "security"
05:08:02webguest35Yes it is obvious that clicking the button should make but it does not works
05:08:04LloreanThe most recent forum registrant was 44 minutes ago, so it seems to still be working
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05:08:54webguest35really? I guess that i have to deativate temporaly my firewall, but this is the first time it happens something like that to me
05:09:21Lloreanwebguest35: I believe the most likely cause is you not properly typing the security letters
05:09:56webguest35Are they case sensitive?
05:10:08LloreanI believe so
05:10:43webguest35Because is true that they're a little bit hard to identify so I used the Audio with the spoken letters
05:11:03webguest35but this doesn't say if they're upper or lower case
05:11:50webguest35I guess I'll have to try again later
05:12:58webguest35about the partitions on the Gigabeat, are u sure that if I partition the disk with the FAT32 partition 1st, it works?
05:13:10LloreanI haven't tried it personally.
05:13:13LloreanI told you what I know.
05:14:12webguest35another questions though!
05:15:09webguest35I use my gigabeat quite frequently as an additional Harddisk, so I have to connect frequently and for (perhaps) a long time to the USB port...
05:15:37webguest35... and each time I do this the battery recharges
05:16:19krazykityes, this is a feature.
05:16:39krazykitit's also in the original firmware
05:16:45webguest35the question is, can cause this any harm to the battery or make its life shorter in anyway (I mean having no complete discharges - complete recharges)?
05:17:04saratogaits a normal litium poly battery so normal rules apply
05:17:25saratogadeep discharges are bad, slowly wears down as it ages, etc
05:17:55webguest35Well, I guess I don't the normal rules, but if u can point in the right direction I could research by myself (in Wikipedia does'nt say anything about it)
05:18:14webguest35What are deep discharges?
05:18:39LloreanActually wikipedia used to have an extensive article on LiIon/LiPoly batteries I thought
05:19:25webguest35Yes, but all theoretical not practical stuff like what I need 2 know
05:20:35LloreanUm, if you aren't willing to trust "what it's supposed to do", then isn't the only solution to test it yourself?
05:21:54webguest35I didn't understood
05:22:06webguest35to test what?
05:22:56LloreanWhatever is in the article that you don't believe.
05:25:10webguest35You mean the part about the deep discharge caused by "when they are recharged so often that they can no longer hold a charge." (citing the article)?
05:26:29saratogawhat exactly are you asking
05:27:10webguest35But it also said this "Unlike Ni-Cd batteries, lithium-ion batteries should be charged early and often."
05:27:57webguest35My question can I still use connect as often as I want my Gigabeat to the PC without worries?
05:28:15saratogai don't see how it matters
05:28:25webguest35or is better to pass any files in use to the local hard disk and then disconnect the player?
05:29:35krazykityou're worried about HD failure? all you can do is have stuff backed up and not worry about it
05:30:06scorcheno he isnt...
05:30:16webguest35The escenery is that I conncet the player to the PC for say 3 hours, work on some files located at it hardisk (o play the audio files located within it), and when I leave I disconect the player to take it with me and later I do this 2 or 3 times more
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05:31:06scorchewebguest35: what you want to avoid is completely draining the batteries and recharging them....that is where the "early and often" quote comes from
05:31:32webguest35thanks scorche I think u get my idea, the question is, doing this almost daily I'm I wearing down inadvertedly the battery?
05:32:17webguest35thanks scorche, so no problem with what I do in my daily scenery?
05:32:50webguest35no risk of 'over charcging' it?
05:33:10scorcheif you over charge a lithium ion, they tend to explode...
05:33:32scorchethat wont happen unless something is wrong with the battery or charging hardware
05:33:51saratogathis was all in the wikipedia entry
05:35:17webguest35yes it was, but as I stated earlier it has to sentences that contradicted themselves, that's the reason of my confussion and my asking?
05:35:32scorchei dont see any sentences contradicting..
05:36:22webguest351: "when they are recharged so often that they can no longer hold a charge."
05:36:49webguest352: "Unlike Ni-Cd batteries, lithium-ion batteries should be charged early and often."
05:37:09scorchei dont see #1...
05:37:17krazykitthat isn't contradictive anyway
05:37:23webguest35yep, is there trust me
05:37:28krazykit"so often" is lots and lots and lots and LOTS of cycles
05:37:35krazykitprobably longer than the life of your player, webguest35
05:37:43scorchegive a direct quote instead of paraphrasing please
05:38:01webguest35the quotes are direct quotes
05:39:25webguest35it also said "It is significantly beneficial to avoid storing a lithium-ion battery at full charge."
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05:40:14webguest35So watching all this mixed messages, what I wanted to know what were tour 1st hand experiences, I mean, how do you handle this?
05:40:45scorchei dont really care about it, to be honest...i just avoid discharging completely
05:40:46krazykitwebguest35, i'd stick my player into the fridge if you're that worried about it.
05:41:02krazykitwebguest35, but don't do that. condensation would be bad for the player.
05:42:28webguest35to the FRIDGE???
05:42:37scorcheyou dont need the caps..
05:42:52scorchebatteries last longer in colder temperatures
05:43:45scorcheone would think that if you are this worried about your battery life, you would have gotten a device that had easily replaceable batteries...
05:44:49saratogathis is a pretty ridiculous thing to worry about since you're going to need a new battery in a year or so anyway
05:45:03saratogamaybe sooner given how old most of the gigabeats are out there
05:45:06webguest35yes, in tha past I used 'normal' Flash-based MP3 players with AAA batteries, but I wanted to try RBox :) and a harddisk based player
05:45:55scorchethere are hard drive players that have easily replaced batteries
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05:46:08scorche...that rockbox supports
05:46:18webguest35for example?
05:46:30webguest35the iPod?
05:46:46saratogaipod isn't that hard, but the sansa is much easier have to break open the device for that
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05:58:18webguest35to anyone who want to know and perhaps comment, this a good source of information that I just found:
05:59:13krazykitwhich is linked from wikipedia
05:59:28krazykitthe first reference on the page, in fact.
06:00:06krazykitit pretty much repeats *what was already on wikipedia*
06:01:41XavierGrwebguest35: yes it is possible to install an OS on the ipod along with rockbox
06:01:57XavierGre.g my H140 has knoppix in it and rockbox along side
06:03:03webguest35andrewg867: Hi Xavier, thanks for the reference!
06:04:04XavierGrI think though that my OS partition is FAT16
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06:04:09webguest35How is your parition table?
06:04:22XavierGrlet me check
06:05:54XavierGrI have a primary active partition that is FAT16 and a non-active primary partion FAT32
06:06:11XavierGrno extended partitions
06:06:29XavierGrthe hard part was to make the OS partition bootable
06:06:42XavierGrbut rockbox didn't have a hard time to boot
06:07:44webguest35and Knoppix works fine with the FAT16?
06:08:22webguest35and the FAT32 partition for RBox is before or after the FAT16 partition?
06:08:34XavierGrin fact the OS on USB utilities required that the partition is FAT16
06:08:49XavierGrafter the fat16
06:09:23webguest35and (soory for the quantity of quesionts) how did you managed to make it bootable?
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06:09:54XavierGryou have to run some tools on it
06:10:12XavierGrbetter search google for bootable usb sticks, or linux on USB etc
06:10:17webguest35so is like a /dev/sda1 with FAT16 and a /dev/sda2 with FAT32?
06:10:32XavierGryes the difference is that sda1 is active too
06:10:40XavierGrwhile sda2 is non-active
06:10:52XavierGrrockbox will just search for the first fat32 partition
06:11:08XavierGrthough I think that it will not manage too boot on an extended partition table
06:11:13webguest35OK, I understand, any chance to be able to use it ext3 in the linux partition?
06:11:16XavierGrbut I am not sure
06:11:35webguest35and (almost forgot) what abour a Swap partition?
06:11:44XavierGryeah maybe, it is just that all the tools I've encountered for bootable usb deviced needed a FAT16 partition
06:11:54webguest35Wow, so Rbox is samrt enough, I like it!!!
06:11:59XavierGrthere is no swap partition on my installation
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06:13:08webguest35no, but u can use 4 partitions all physical with no extended one!
06:13:19XavierGrI guess
06:13:20webguest35at most 4
06:13:29XavierGras I said I haven't tried with more partitions
06:13:52webguest35so I guess is possible 2 create another partition for Swap, what do u think?
06:14:07XavierGryeah I think there won't be a problem
06:14:11XavierGryou will just have to try
06:14:39XavierGrI did that 2 years ago, so I don't really remember the process
06:14:49XavierGrbut I remember that I failed a couple of times
06:15:00XavierGrI couldn't get linux to boot most of the time
06:15:29XavierGrwell I hope that you have a pc that can boot from USB devices else you can't test it
06:15:54webguest35Yes, mine is fairly new so I'm almost sure it can
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06:17:12webguest35I guess that now I have to check for 'Linux on USB'
06:17:47webguest35many thanks, your input has been very helpful
06:17:58XavierGryou're welcome
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06:25:19webguest35amiconn: What about the arlier discussion about battery management, do u know something about it?
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06:36:10webguest35I think I found THE answer at the battery university: "Charging a full battery is safe and does not cause harm." (source:
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06:41:06webguest35Well, thank you to all, I'm leaving, BYE!
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07:08:03JdGordonhey all
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07:09:47kkurbjunJdGordon, I have a question on menus
07:09:59jhMikeSJdGordon: hey. mind testing an ata-e200 update? it stops the card init on every card switch and addresses good yielding and improves timeout behavior. it's been working nicely here for some hours.
07:10:19JdGordonjhMikeS: yeah sure, but my tree is borked atm, so can you send me the .mi4?
07:10:26kkurbjunis there an equivalent for struct opt_items for plugins with the new menu api
07:10:57kkurbjunit looks like MENUITEM_SETTING is, but it indicatess that the settings have to be in the core
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07:12:56kkurbjunalso when calling MAKE_MENU, if you include other MAKE_MENU variables does it call do_menu when they are selected, or are the other menu's just added to the displayed list?
07:14:04JdGordonkkurbjun: no, there isnt an equiv for plugins, that needs to be done... and do_menu() is "automatically called" for submenus
07:14:26JdGordoni put it like that because it actually just stays in the do_menu() call and uses a stack to remember where it was
07:14:54kkurbjunok, the submenu thing was what I was hoping for
07:15:25kkurbjunI can probably work around the missing opt_item equivalent, I just wanted to try and make it as clean as possible
07:21:50JdGordonjhMikeS: will this stop the painicing i get almost every time i swap cards?
07:22:54jhMikeSI thought that stopped
07:23:03JdGordonany particular ay you want it tested?
07:23:13JdGordonna, it seems to have got more frequent recently for some reason
07:23:17jhMikeSbecause your card acts different
07:23:23*JdGordon suspects my really dodgey cheap cards
07:24:12jhMikeSif it doesn't bother OF I really can't see that it should bother rb :\
07:25:04JdGordonyeah, if only :p
07:25:25jhMikeSI was getting panics under certain conditions but that was due to the yielding which it now compensates for
07:26:11JdGordonok, ill let you know fi i get any panics
07:26:39JdGordonoh, you said the way I did backlight fading was bad... without a dedicated backlight thread any other ideas how to do it?
07:26:51jhMikeSdon't we have one?
07:27:34JdGordonmodifieing that would then create a 3rd way of doing fading in rockbox!
07:27:38jhMikeSmmmm....yes...actually now that you mention it
07:27:59*JdGordon doesnt like how the backlight is currnelty handled
07:28:19jhMikeSthe backlight thread can be tripped into doing waits with timeouts when it has a lengthy task to perform
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07:33:15*jhMikeS is itching to have one thread for scrolling remote and main lcd ... just have to do the yucky implementation steps. :[
07:33:38JdGordona thread for each screen?
07:33:49jhMikeSwe already have that
07:33:59jhMikeSlast I remember
07:34:43*JdGordon is then confused
07:37:00jhMikeSthere's a thread to do scrollers on remote and another for the main lcd but even though the speeds can be different for each display, it should be possible to have one thread do it.
07:37:41JdGordonoh righto
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07:42:56jhMikeSno panic yet? :)
07:44:10JdGordonno, but its playing from ram... I guess it got through reading the cd fine
07:44:46jhMikeSwhat about swapping the card a bunch of times?
07:44:52JdGordonbah, got a crash
07:45:11jhMikeSwhat sort?
07:45:14JdGordon... trying to go from wps->browser after i swapeed cards so the path didnt exsist anymore
07:45:46*JdGordon resets and procedes to break the chip locking mechnism
07:46:34JdGordonseems more reliable now
07:46:35jhMikeSI can do that one without a crash.
07:46:55jhMikeSIt just goes back up to the root
07:50:48JdGordonhmm... possible crash/panic
07:50:52JdGordonscreen is off though
07:51:04JdGordondefinalty did one of them
07:51:19JdGordonspamming hotswap in the disk debug screen
07:53:41jhMikeShmmmm...I can cause #5 by doing slow inserts and stuff. frankly I'm not sure about the whole panic thing. I really think errors returns are the way to go.
07:57:08JdGordonanything to stop the panics... they are such a PITA
07:57:16jhMikeSno big deal really. it can mux the cards without crashing and not reinitializing them. I think I know what's up with that.
07:57:26JdGordonunless we can get system_reboot() working so we dont have to hold down power for 25min
07:58:23jhMikeSI think now it still sees the card as initialized even though it has been removed because the ata thread hasn't seen gotten the message yet.
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08:06:29Transienceis anyone here familiar with the Zen Vision M?
08:12:46JdGordon was a post on a geek forum in the programming section.... the guy seems to think that exception handling is fine for flow control!
08:15:43jhMikeSummm...won't that only work if a guard page is present at the end? :P
08:16:13hcs"There's more than one wrong way to do it."
08:17:48Transiencei found a file on my ZVM
08:18:17Transienceit's a 4mb xml doc that just has place names in different languages
08:18:24Transiencedoes anyone know what this is?
08:18:30Transienceit doesn't show up in windows
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08:22:08jhMikeSok, this stupid driver will only panic now if no sd card insertion interrupts have occured while trying to mount the card...otherwise try mounting again
08:23:44JdGordonjhMikeS: re your last commit to english.lang. isnt the *: case supposed to be first?
08:24:33jhMikeSis it? it didn't seem to bother anything.
08:25:09JdGordonit doesnt? oh ok then
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08:38:20JdGordonjhMikeS: it does make a difference... have a look at the generated lang.c for a e200 build
08:38:28JdGordonthe scan accell strings are there
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08:43:02jhMikeSok, I guess it's np to reverse them
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08:53:23jhMikeSJdGordon: did I miss anything else that doesn't need to be there if not using the timed accel?
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09:25:36JdGordonjhMikeS: dunno, havnt actually looked at the whole patch yet, maybe tonight
09:29:00jhMikeSOther than the occasional oddness when inserting a card, no problems? I'm just going to rethink the mounting procedure a bit and probably consider panicing too severe for something that can disappear at any time.
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10:44:16GodEater_v. quiet in here today. Is everyone on holiday ?
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10:48:41amiconnmarkun: around?
10:49:12amiconnI was searching for the Tomato TL1771 datasheet, and google told me you did the same last year
10:49:22markunah :)
10:49:27markunWell, I didn't get it
10:49:37markunAt least I don't think so
10:49:56markunLet me take a look
10:49:58amiconnI didn't find the TL1771 datasheet itself, but I found 2 lcd module datasheets which tell some parts about this controller
10:50:23GodEater_which players uses a Tomato chip ?
10:50:24amiconnOne has the complete command set, and the other has the power on, power off sequences etcv
10:51:05amiconnGodEater: Iriver remotes (TL0324), iAudio remotes (TL0350) and the H10 5/6 GB (TL1771)
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11:12:28peppoI think I have a corrupt filesystem on my iPod
11:12:39peppobut I don't seem to be able to check it with fsck.vfat?
11:13:06hcsare you trying the second partition?
11:13:17peppoyes, sdf2
11:13:23linuxstb_peppo: What command are you typing, and what happens?
11:13:38peppofsck.vfat /dev/sdf1
11:13:43peppohm, I was trying sdf1
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11:27:49GodEater_looks like zune 1.0 will never make it to Europe now
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11:52:09pondlifeMorning Nico_P, spent the Googlecash yet? ;)
11:52:27Nico_Ppondlife: amlost none of it
11:53:40Nico_PI don't have any particular plans for it
11:54:02*GodEater_ is disappointed to hear Nico_P isn't bent on world domination
11:54:10JdGordonmore importtantly.... got anything working on mob yet?
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11:55:25Nico_Pno... I'm on vacation with my gf so not much work getting done :)
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11:55:59scorcheshe hasnt used up all of the money yet? =P
11:56:08Nico_Phehe :)
11:56:15pondlifeYou're assuming Nico_P told her...
11:56:28pondlifeI don't think I would !
11:56:42Nico_Pbut I've been thinking a bit about it and I think RbinRB still may be the way to go. There'll just be a few tweaks needed for the metadata
11:58:31pondlifeIt's not the easiest thing to to think about - will probably be easier to get a working version then iron out the allocation/defrag algorithms.
11:58:56Nico_Pwell the current SVN code works pretty well
11:59:06Nico_Pyou could even add metadata to it quite easily
11:59:09pondlifeGetting the outside world to not rely on memory that stays still will be fun.
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12:01:33GodEater_presumably you wouldn't want the outside world to know though ?
12:01:47GodEater_shouldn't the buffering api hide that fact ?
12:02:08pondlifeYes, as long as nobody holds onto data pointers and assumes they will always be valid.
12:03:22GodEater_hmm - yes I see what you mean - you can ask the buffering api for a pointer - but nothing forces you to check back with the API later to make sure it's still there
12:04:53pondlifeIn fact it's only valid until a bufseek or bufadvance occurs on that handle (I think that's the current criteria).
12:05:09pondlifeThat may well change, of course...
12:05:47*pondlife thinks he might bring a notepad to the pub.... and hope that it all becomes clear after 5 pints.
12:06:23GodEater_if you think I'm going to sit there discussing MoB after 5 pints, you're sadly mistaken
12:06:45pondlifeDon't be concerned - I was joking, honest.
12:10:10pondlifeIs it just the 2 of us? I'm more concerned about that..
12:11:05*JdGordon would come if a ticket magically arrived....
12:11:11GodEater_no - linuxstb is coming too
12:11:28GodEater_also dan_a and there's a possibility of stripwax
12:11:47GodEater_who ordered a T-Shirt from Bagder btw ?
12:11:56pondlifeWhoever turns up I guess!
12:12:09daurnimatori'd come too :)
12:12:17pondlifeBit of a trek though...
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12:15:57GodEater_pondlife: there were people who told Bagder their sizes though
12:16:11GodEater_so there won't be much point fighting over a selection of t-shirts that won't fit you
12:16:28linuxstbI'm not sure what I claimed I was...
12:16:39GodEater_well there's one large, and two mediums
12:16:48linuxstbI guess I'm a medium then.
12:16:53pondlifeAnd I'm not a large..
12:16:55GodEater_I've grabbed the XL already
12:17:29pondlifeWell, if I don't get a shirt, no worries - I'll hopefully make it to DevCon2008.
12:17:29linuxstbAre there mugs as well?
12:17:41pondlifeWhat size mugs? :)
12:17:46linuxstbI'm not that bothered about a T-shirt either, but I like mugs...
12:17:49GodEater_mug sized ;)
12:17:51pondlifeI'm a small shirt but a big mug
12:18:11pondlifeBig enough for dunking is all that matters.
12:18:22GodEater_they're quite narrow
12:18:23GodEater_but tall
12:18:38GodEater_so long as you eat bourbons you'll be fine
12:18:40pondlifeHmm, might need to use Ginger Nuts, rather than Chocolate Digestives.
12:18:42GodEater_I wouldn't try a digestive
12:18:56GodEater_ginger nuts would probably go too
12:19:10pondlifeMight get wedged, resulting in seepage and breakup.
12:19:15GodEater_nothing worse
12:19:21GodEater_well, there is
12:19:28pondlifeWaste of tea AND biscuit.
12:19:42pondlifeGodEater: Yes, genocide etc..
12:19:43linuxstbBTW, have we agreed on a venue and time?
12:19:43GodEater_a friend of mine made himself a coffee and my house an mistook the Bulgar Wheat in the cupboard for brown sugar
12:19:52GodEater_same venue, same time
12:19:57GodEater_makes it easiest for all
12:20:09GodEater_anytime after 6 :)
12:20:11linuxstbAnd hopefully same table...
12:20:18pondlifeOK, I'll be 7-ish I expect
12:20:20GodEater_I'll throw people off it if necessary
12:20:27GodEater_over the balcony
12:20:29linuxstbOr turn up at 11am to keep it warm...
12:20:54GodEater_wouldn't be much conversation coming out of me by 6pm if I got there at 11
12:21:01GodEater_I'd be lucky to still be conscious
12:22:25scorcheGodEater_: did you guys get enough shirts?
12:22:34pondlifeAbout 8 years ago I did a birthday all day pub crawl.. we managed 22 pubs plus 1 curry house from 11-to-11.
12:22:45pondlifeI *never* want to repeat that experience.
12:23:02GodEater_scorche: there are three left after I nabbed mine
12:23:27GodEater_pondlife: I've often thought of attempting either the Monopoly board or circle line pub crawl
12:23:30GodEater_and then come to my senses
12:23:43scorchealright..just making sure...i keep forgetting to mail bagder about my 2 extra shirts
12:24:00pondlifeI can't remember even going into 2 of the pubs, but everyone assures me I was there.
12:24:01JdGordonscorche: you got 2 extras?
12:24:21scorcheyup, but i need to talk to bagder about them before i do anything
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12:24:53scorcheand one mug with a hairline fracture on the handle
12:25:01scorche(had a few last miniute cancellations
12:25:18scorcheugh, i cant type..
12:25:27midkaywe noticed!
12:25:36pondlifeHah, living dangerously with the cracked handle and the hot black coffee.
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12:30:57linuxstbJdGordon: I don't understand your post to the dev list. Are you saying you like the idea of maintainers, but you don't want a list of them?
12:31:38JdGordonumm... i wrote the reply in 2 sittings and probbably flipped my view :p
12:31:51JdGordoni dont know, i like the idea but dont think it really needs to be formal
12:32:01JdGordonunless you want to bring extra ppl in
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12:33:10pondlifeBeing a maintainer doesn't compell you to work on stuff, does it?
12:33:16linuxstbI can't see how it can work informally - IMO you need to know which bits are currently in need of a maintainer. So the list is for people to say "I'm willing to actively maintain this bit of Rockbox".
12:33:33linuxstbpondlife: That's the point...
12:33:41JdGordonit doesnt?
12:33:56JdGordonthen why would you be the maintainer of the section?
12:34:09pondlifeI wouldn't, then.
12:34:23scorchei think he meant that the point was for them to be compelled to work on stuff...
12:34:24pondlifeCan't offer enough time to stay on top of it.
12:34:27JdGordonyou... anyone i mean
12:34:28linuxstbBut obviously the reverse isn't true - you don't have to name yourself as maintainer in order to work on something.
12:34:57pondlifeI like the idea "Rockbox is fun" over any other.
12:35:13JdGordonI would like to be able to assign patches/bugs to people on FS with the hope they either commit/fix it or pass it on to someone else though
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12:35:57linuxstbI think it all depends if enough people commit themselves to maintaining things. If no-one wants to do that, then it's not really a worthwhile idea.
12:36:59pondlifeYes, and it could be unfair and even put people off if not handled carefully.
12:37:04safetydanWhat would it mean to maintain something like a codec? Just keep it in sync with upstream?
12:37:34linuxstbsafetydan: Yes, just keep it working and investigate any reported bugs.
12:37:46linuxstbSo for most codecs, it would be almost no work.
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12:45:07Nico_Ppondlife: I think you're taking it as too formal. IMO it should be taken as an organisation plan
12:45:47pondlifeThat's what I'd prefer.
12:45:54Nico_Ptha im isn't to force the maintainers to work on their area
12:46:01Nico_P*the aim
12:46:14pondlifeNo, but I was concerned that others might think it was that.
12:46:40Nico_Pthe advantage is that it will clearly highlight which part of rockbox lack maintaining
12:47:07Nico_Pfor example :)
12:47:17*safetydan takes an easy one and volunteers to maintain Speex :)
12:48:28*Nico_P informs safetydan that there are three open bugs concerning speex :)
12:48:55safetydanNico_P, darn :(
12:50:16Nico_Pit's not much compared to the 43 of music playback though
12:50:32pondlifeYes, and those playback bugs aren't easy ones either!
12:50:55JdGordonat least they can all be closed as out of date when the new buffering goes in....
12:50:59JdGordonhopefully :p
12:51:08*pondlife has a custom search looking for "easy playback bugs"...
12:51:24pondlifeJdGordon: Many of them, yes!
12:51:32pondlifeTo be replace by NO NEW ONES!!
12:51:41JdGordonthats the plan...
12:52:06*Nico_P feels the pressure
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12:52:19*amiconn has some doubts re the second part of the plan
12:52:21pondlifeNico_P: No pressure, enjoy your holiday
12:53:02pondlifeWell, as long as the code ends up structure and commented nicely then it should at least be possible to fix a bug without generating more.
12:53:52JdGordonis the yes/no screen broken for anyone else?
12:54:09pondlifeThe confirmation screen?
12:54:34pondlifeSeems ok here... on the sim.
12:54:45JdGordonhmm... looks like the build jhMikeS sent me was broken
12:54:52JdGordonworks fine roloing to my build
12:55:05JdGordon... wierd :p
12:55:28*Nico_P had an idea while working on checkwps yesterday... rockbox's first test suite :D
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13:00:36JdGordondo you think we can close 7424? the last comment says he will report back with the files that causes the db to crash 11 days ago
13:01:48Nico_Pmaybe ping him before closing ?
13:03:01pondlifeI would put a note on, but leave it open.
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13:03:27pondlifeIt may be that a particular file is causing a problem, if he can find it there may be a fix required.
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13:10:53JdGordonany objections to adding the src filename to the "Copying...." and "Moving..." splashes?
13:11:43GodEateronly if you add the dst too
13:11:49GodEaterotherwise it'll be confusing
13:12:07GodEaterI would find it so
13:12:12JdGordonI want to add it more to show that its still working and hasnt crashed more than being actually useful
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13:13:48JdGordonadding the dest would mean doing a proper screen for it, instead of just using the splash widget
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13:15:27JdGordonNico_P: have you seen 7441?
13:16:24safetydanJdGordon, there's a patch for that already
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13:17:03JdGordonsafetydan: patch for which? 7441 or the copy/move screen?
13:17:11safetydanJdGordon, copy/move
13:17:29safetydanoh, no wait. I'm thinking of the progress bar while deleting patch
13:17:53safetydanFS #6310 which is probably way out of date
13:18:15JdGordonah, yeah I tihnk thats the one i saw last night and got me tining about this
13:18:45JdGordonyep, thats the one
13:19:43Nico_PJdGordon: oh yeah I wanted to take a closer look at it but then forgot
13:19:51Nico_P(FS #7441)
13:20:23JdGordonadding the filename to the splash is much simpler code than adding a infinite scroll bar thing
13:21:09*amiconn thinks that it's unnecessary to add anything to the splashes
13:21:35JdGordonit is, but there really is no way to know if its crashed, or guess how much is left to copy
13:21:49amiconnIf you want to be sure that it didn't crash, rather work on stability so it doesn't crash
13:21:50JdGordonthe filename would fix that
13:22:37amiconnThe filename wouldn't tell you how much is left to copy
13:22:52JdGordon is my massivly bloated patch....
13:23:04Nico_PJdGordon: he uses unrealistic values for N (the number of cond cases): 80, 75... who uses that much cond cases in a WPS ?
13:23:08JdGordonno, but it would give you a guess as to where in the list of files to copy/move its up to
13:23:23JdGordonNico_P: not I.. but he does have a oint
13:23:42amiconnRecursive copy/move goes in directory order, not alphanumerical or whatever
13:23:48Nico_PJdGordon: well I'm not sure I get what his point his
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13:24:19JdGordonamiconn: ok, well, its still nicer to show some activity on the screen
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13:27:55SiltaarHello JdGordon, I just read some IRC archive about a pb you had with the simulator... 'fatal: No I/O port permissions'
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13:28:15SiltaarDid you finally find something to fix it ?
13:28:26*JdGordon thinks...
13:28:44JdGordonrunning the sim under the wrong account?
13:28:59JdGordonor misconfigured sdl or something?
13:29:11JdGordonI probably reinstalled after that error
13:29:43safetydanJdGordon, disk activity light doesn't give you a clue that the copy and paste hasn't failed? Or do some targets not have one of those?
13:30:13JdGordonif its on the whole time there is no way to know what its doing
13:30:28Siltaarwrong account... it can be smth like that... strange school configuration (AD, auxiliary NFS...)
13:31:33*Siltaar did a 2GO file copy from microSD card to flash drive of a Sansa on friday...
13:32:02JdGordonhow long did that take?
13:32:20JdGordonand it didnt crash/panic at all?!
13:36:04*JdGordon wonders why sansapatcher cant find my e200
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13:37:46SiltaarEverythings goes well, it takes me 3 or 4 minutes
13:38:09Siltaarit took me
13:39:55Siltaarwith a Révision : 13864
13:40:05SiltaarAuteur de la dernière modification : jdgordonRévision de la dernière modification : 13863Date de la dernière modification: 2007-07-12 11:58:54 +0200 (jeu, 12 jui 2007)
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13:44:00*moos spots some french :)
13:46:04SiltaarI have a e250 so...
13:47:01PaulJamThe german language update seems to be incomplete: there are many lines starting with ### and also most of the new voice strings are empty or english. and "found" is not a german word.
13:47:08Siltaarit was only about 350 .mp3 files
13:47:51moosPaulJam: I was looking on it but JdGordon commited it :)
13:48:47*JdGordon proves why we need a proper lang maintainer...
13:49:17SiltaarJdGordon: JdGordon wonders why sansapatcher cant find my e200 −−> You did set usb mode to MSC in the original firmware ?
13:49:39JdGordonSiltaar: yeah, it seems ubuntu disconnected it after i manually unmounted it
13:50:00JdGordonpondlife: whats the story with the keyclick patch?
13:51:50PaulJammoos: since you are working on the geman .lang file, i have a little request: what do you think of translating "now playing" with "Aktuelle Wiedergabe" instead of "Spielt gerade"
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13:52:34markunmoos: why didn't you tell me you speak german ;)
13:52:51moosPaulJam: I was working on just for folow rockbox rules, otherwises I'm a french native speaker and no deutsch for me
13:53:03moosmarkun: I didn't know I speak it :)
13:53:11PaulJamoh ok
13:53:16markunhidden talents
13:53:21mooshehe :)
13:54:02pondlifeJdGordon: I like it, but it probably needs to be a seperate config option. I just cheekily reused the skip beep for now.
13:54:17JdGordonfinish it so it can be commited?
13:54:38pondlifeYes, if nobody objects to the concept!
13:55:01Nick_BrackleyJdGordon: I will check which files are breaking the database when I get some time and get back to you
13:55:01*JdGordon wants to get more obscure patches in so mine can go in also :D
13:55:08JdGordonok cool :)
13:56:17moosPaulJam: if you are deutsch speaker just provide us a patch and we'll commit it
13:56:41pondlifeJdGordon: p.s. Pop it under my name if you want
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14:50:16GodEaterdoes anyone know why only read_line is available via the plugin api and not fast_readline (which purports to be optimised) ?
14:50:39JdGordonbecause noone has added it yet
14:52:05GodEaterah - I thought there might have been a reason other than that ;)
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15:06:27thomasgshort question: I'm charging my X5 via power-cable at moment. pressing "on" shortly turns the backlight on/off, pressing it long boots the iAudio-firmware. is there a possibility to boot rockbox while charging?
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15:11:43Arathisamiconn: any success with your possible freeze fix yesterday?
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15:49:07Siltaarso... my solution about SDL fatal: No I/O port permission...
15:49:26Siltaarremove source based installation
15:49:45Siltaarand call admin to install the proper paquages...
15:49:48Siltaarit works !
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15:57:49chrisjs169if I wanted to add a setting to firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c, how would I go about doing that?
16:01:04Arathisamiconn: o.O?
16:03:24Velocityhi all
16:05:36amiconnArathis: My test (with some further modifications compared to yesterday) ran for 1 hour 46 minutes. Then I got a data abort in set_cpu_frequency() - which reappeared several times after reboot :(
16:06:08Velocityi've done the german translation added to svn today, and since there are some mistakes i've done a newer version and loaded it onto my server (
16:06:27*Arathis hopes for a solution cause he's on a 6h trailride on friday ...
16:06:27Velocitycould somone please add it to svn?
16:06:56linuxstbchrisjs169: Look at how the scrolling settings are done - e.g. scroll_delay
16:07:24chrisjs169linuxstb: ok
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16:09:36chrisjs169linuxstb: sorry, i should have been more clear - i'm trying to do something like FS5899, a value that can be changed via config.cfg. FS5899 showed it used global_settings.listxpos, but in firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c, global_settings isn't defined
16:10:47amiconnYes, because firmware code must not touch apps variables
16:11:11chrisjs169ok, so how would i go about doing something like that?
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16:11:41amiconnLook at how contrast, screen flip, foreground & background colour etc are handled
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16:14:06Siltaaris there a way to have a plugin waiting passively a certain amount of time in a plugin ?
16:15:06linuxstbOr do you want a button press to interrupt it?
16:16:01Siltaarnop, I want not to saturate the queue when enqueueing many sounds via talk_file
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16:16:15Siltaarbut sleep, is it a newly added function in the API ?
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16:17:02GodEaterhell no
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16:18:31Siltaarelse linuxstb, I have an "installation" pb... My talking sudoku needs some files to work (animals sounds...). I have free sounds, and currently I install them into .rockbox/rocks/sudoku in order to have it clean
16:18:51Siltaarso.. I wonder how to make the installation process automatic
16:20:46linuxstbYou should probably distribute them separately as a zip file, with the zip file containing the .rockbox/rockbox/sudoku/ directory structure.
16:20:59amiconnTalking sudoku would be a great chance to take voice to the next level and implement a long-standing idea related to langv2
16:22:20amiconnA segmented voice file with one segment per "client" (first client being the core, talking plugins as subsequent clients)
16:23:22amiconnA talking plugin would swap in the necessary at startup, i.e. when the disk is still spinning. No further spinups while the plugin is running (on hdd targets)
16:23:37amiconn*The necessary segment...
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16:26:07SiltaarMaybe the GsoC that aims to embed eSpeak into Rockbox will make this good old idea obsolete ?
16:27:02markunSiltaar: actually he's using flite and not espeak
16:27:44Siltaarmarkun ok
16:27:54Siltaarcurrently, the worse thing about sudoku is that the numbers are images !
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16:28:31Siltaarit would be so easier to adapt one plugin for every targets if we had vectorial graphics
16:30:00SiltaarI did developpe an alternative view for the sudoku adapted to small screens, but it put high the number of images to handle to 4 for each target... I have small numbers, bigs numbers, small animals heads and big animal heads...
16:30:23GodEaterFebs: Wow. Gmail is even really bad at threading - there's nothing I can pick out of the email headers on that message that indicates it's in reply to linuxstb's suggestion.
16:31:36FebsIt shows up in linuxstb's thread in Thunderbird.
16:31:37Siltaarto finish... small animal heads on smalls black and white screens would not be usable...
16:32:03Siltaarbut I can keep the sounds
16:32:17linuxstbGodEater: And here -
16:33:00GodEaterFebs: I wasn't saying I didn't believe you :)
16:33:30GodEaterI was expressing surprise at how bad gmail turns out to be at showing that - I've thought of Gmail as a pretty accomplished email client for a while now
16:33:46GodEaterclearly it's not very good at list traffic
16:33:57linuxstbGodEater: Maybe gmail is just being really good at threading - somehow it knew it wasn't a genuine follow-up...
16:34:22GodEaterlinuxstb: you could argue that ;)
16:34:32GodEaterI believe it does all it's threading based on Subject though
16:34:34GodEaterwhich is not ideal
16:36:26linuxstbSiltaar: The general approach in Rockbox is to do things at compile-time where possible, and not runtime. Hence the preference for simple bitmapped fonts and graphics.
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16:44:42Hammer89I heard that SanDisk released new firmware for the e200... Is that true? And if so... is it still compatible with rockbox?
16:46:21linuxstbchrisjs169: Look at scroll_delay...
16:46:42linuxstbIt's a local variable set in lcd-16bit.c, and is set via the function lcd_scroll_delay() which is called from the settings code in apps/
16:46:53chrisjs169linuxstb: ok
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17:03:46PaulJamwow, my h300 just froze. it didn't do that for a very long time.
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17:14:45Nico_Pdid someone commit Velocity's german lang file ?
17:15:01Nico_Por start working on it maybe
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17:15:44PaulJamhe posted an update here 70 minutes ago.
17:15:55Nico_Pyeah I'm talking about that
17:16:36Nico_Pman, why do they ALL use windows line endings ??
17:16:51linuxstbBecause they all use Windows?
17:17:11Nico_Phehe :)
17:17:31Nico_Pbut even when using windows, there are ways to save files with unix line endings but no
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17:17:47linuxstbDoes anyone understand why "*:" needs to be first in the lang files - I thought the rules were matched from first to last.
17:18:13Nico_Plinuxstb: the answer most probably lies in genlang
17:18:40*linuxstb looks towards a non-existent Bagder
17:18:42markunhi [[bam]]
17:18:59[[bam]]hi again
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17:19:53[[bam]]so i grabbed the bitstream cyberbit font
17:20:26[[bam]]it works perfectly −− at least for my files.
17:21:32*GodEater assumes he's missed something
17:21:44pixelmalinuxstb: I believe there even is a bugreport for that in the tracker
17:21:45markun[[bam]]: which size are you using?
17:22:19[[bam]]i've converted it to 12,14,16, and 18. all of them are good
17:22:35pixelmalinuxstb: FS #6652 IIUC
17:22:49Nico_Ppixelma: this reminds me... what's the status of the langv2 cleanup ?
17:23:05markunnice. Is the license free enough that we could include the converted font with rockbox?
17:23:52[[bam]]forgot to mention, there IS a slight alignment error (1 to 2 pixels) but it makes the font look quite cute
17:24:11[[bam]]AFAIK it's completely free.
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17:26:59pixelmaNico_P: it hasn't been synced for a while... it was finished (I think) against the svn it was last synced to - of course it could always need some other pair of eyes
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17:27:13[[bam]]correction : free for non-commercial use
17:27:15markunI don't think "freeware for non-commercial uses" is compatible with the GPL, is it?
17:27:34markunis NOT
17:27:37pixelmaNico_P: just answered your question the moment your connection dropped...
17:27:41markunah, damn :)
17:27:47Nico_Ppixelma: I'll go read the log
17:28:27Nico_Ppixelma: ok, so is there anything still holding it up ?
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17:29:09[[bam]]yeah, that's it.
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17:29:11markun[[bam]]: but we could probably make it available as a separate download
17:29:31[[bam]]but we can still tell people to convert it manually ;)
17:29:33[[bam]]now, the second one.
17:29:35pixelmaNico_P: not sure about all the small details myself, the best info you can find is in the patch tracker I'd say
17:29:46[[bam]]Sazanami gothic
17:30:24[[bam]]made in japan, and is a sourceforge project
17:30:27linuxstbmarkun: No, it's not. But there's no legal reason preventing us distributing it IIUC, although personally I would prefer we stuck with 100% free fonts.
17:30:29Nico_Pmarkun: , what about ?
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17:31:01amiconnSiltaar: The tts GSoC project won't make the idea of segmented voice files obsolete. There are targets which won't be able to use realtime tts
17:32:00[[bam]]unfortunately the page language is 99% japanese written in kana/kanji and i'm a noob in that field.. although a sourceforge project usually is GPL, i presume?.
17:32:37thomasgshort question: I'm charging my X5 via power-cable at moment. pressing "on" shortly turns the backlight on/off, pressing it long boots the iAudio-firmware. is there a possibility to boot rockbox while charging?
17:32:45amiconnAnother crash, prefetch abort this tim e:(
17:32:54linuxstb[[bam]]: Sourceforge accepts projects with many different open source licenses, not just GPL.
17:33:02PaulJamlinuxstb: but wouldn't converting to .fnt be against their license? (No Modifications.)
17:33:47linuxstbPaulJam: It would depend on the exact text of the license - i.e. if they allow conversion to a different format.
17:34:14linuxstbBut IIUC, if the license doesn't grant you a particular right, then you don't have it...
17:38:27Nico_Plinuxstb: I don't really understand the "license controversy" part in
17:39:01Nico_Pdoes it mean we couldn't add this font to the RB distrib archives ?
17:39:01[[bam]]hmm.. won't open here. strange.
17:40:14[[bam]]btw, sazanami mincho, sazanami gothic's twin sister, IS included in rockbox-fonts package.
17:40:51linuxstbNico_P: My understanding is that fonts are simply data used by Rockbox, rather than software libraries linked to Rockbox - so fonts can be under any license.
17:41:14linuxstb(assuming we have a right to redistribute those fonts in bdf format)
17:41:29linuxstb(or .fnt..)
17:42:15pixelmathomasg: have you tried holding "rec" while inserting the charger? It /seems/ to work here with my M5 - at least it shows "charger connected" in the statusbar and I can continue to use Rockbox but I'm not sure whether it works the same on X5 with charging through the subpack but it should (works similar on other targets as well)
17:43:30thomasgwell, if rockbox is running and I plug the cradle in it works (means rockbox stays running). but not if the player is turned off
17:46:10[[bam]]nice. we CAN redist them.
17:47:56GodEaterif I understand correctly, the read_line() function takes lines straight off the disk - is this correct ?
17:48:20[[bam]]btw, Nico_P, linuxstb, PaulJam, (and any others who don't know), me & markun were discussing about UNICODE free fonts.
17:48:39linuxstbGodEater: Yes - you can read the function for yourself in apps/misc.c
17:49:02GodEaterthis seems inefficient to me - wouldn't it be better to read the whole file at once to avoid disk spinups ?
17:49:29linuxstbThe disk shouldn't spin-down - there's a timeout of a few seconds.
17:49:50linuxstbBut if you know your file is small, then yes, you could read it all at once into a memory buffer, then parse it.
17:49:58GodEaterbut for a small file wouldn't it be better to just read the whole thing in one go, close the fd, and then do the splitting in memory
17:50:05linuxstbYes. ;)
17:50:18GodEaterright - I shall ignore read_line then
17:50:23linuxstbAlso, you have more memory to spare in a plugin - you wouldn't want to do that in the core code.
17:50:34GodEaterpossibly so =/
17:50:45linuxstbBut remember Archos devices only have 32KB for plugins.
17:50:53*GodEater 's file that he is reading is a maximum of MAX_PATH * 10 in size
17:51:05GodEaterthat'll still fit easily in 32kb
17:51:13linuxstbThen just declare a static buffer in your .c file with that size.
17:51:13pixelmathomasg: don't know if that's possible then...
17:51:21GodEaterlinuxstb: I did
17:51:36linuxstbGodEater: Then why are you asking me ;)
17:51:51GodEaterbecause I want to make sure I'm not missing something obvious
17:52:14GodEaterif you say I'm not then I'm a happy person
17:52:18linuxstbOK, you're not. (or we both are...)
17:52:46GodEatergood enough for me :)
17:53:11GodEaterI've totally ripped off your mpeg_malloc code btw for other stuff in the plugin :)
17:53:44*GodEater like's mpegplayer's definition of mpeg_free()
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17:55:04thomasgpixelma, k, thanks anyway
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17:56:30thomasgI have another problem: when I try to play a video (the elephants dream sample) using the mediaplayerplugin rockbox crashes with "*PANIC* Stkov main" is this known?
17:56:39Nico_Pomg almost the whole of english.lang fails to apply in the langv2 cleanup patch
17:57:44markunNico_P: what I usually do it revert my tree back to the date of the patch, apply the patch, "svn up" and then fix the conflicts
17:58:02XavierGrhmm strange the charging mod for my H115 didn't work :\
17:58:18Nico_Pmarkun: that's probably a much more sensible way of doing it :)
17:58:19XavierGrI had to remove it because I couldn't charge the player
17:58:35Doomedhardware mod XavierGr?
17:59:06XavierGryes, charging mod on USB for H100 iriver models
17:59:20PaulJamthomasg: try if it works if you create an empty file .rockbox/rocks/mpegplayer.cfg
17:59:27pixelmaNico_P: for english.lang that's the only way I could find too (what markun described)
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17:59:47Nico_Ppixelma: you did a sync ?
18:00:10Nico_Por you mean for the ones you did in the past ?
18:00:52pixelmafor the other files working with the .rej was ok - yes, in the past
18:02:17Nico_Pwow I'm not even sure there were conflicts while doing svn up :o
18:02:45Nico_Poh yes there were... too much dreamin here
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18:06:32thomasgPaulJam, in my .rockbox/rocks dir are only some $modulename.rock files, but no mpegplayer.rock or something like this
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18:08:45PaulJamthomasg: the .rock file is in the viwers directory, but the .cfg file is stored in the rocks directory. on Hxxx players which have the same problems it helps to create the empty .cfg file to prevent the panic.
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18:11:13thomasgPaulJam, not here, in the rocks directory are only .rock files and not a single .cfg
18:11:39thomasgbut in the other thing you're right: the mpegplayer.rock is in the viewers-dir
18:13:16PaulJamyou should create the mpegplayer.cfg file manually. (it is not there because rockbox crashes when it tries to create it)
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18:26:35Nico_Ppixelma: I think I have a sync :)
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18:32:51markunPaulJam: any idea why it crashes?
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18:38:18Nico_Ppixelma: any reason why it shouldn't be committed ?
18:38:33PaulJammarkun: i have no idea. could the change in revision 13625 have caused it? i think it started around that time.
18:39:05thomasgPaulJam, ok, I created a empty mpegplayer.cfg in .rockbox/rocks/ (via touch /mountpoint/.rockbox/rocks/mpegplayer.cfg) but it still crashes
18:39:58PaulJamthomasg: then you propably have to wait until someone fixes it. sorry.
18:40:15thomasgand a last problem :)
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18:41:33linuxstbmarkun: It seems that mpegplayer is very tight on stack usage - it crashes when creating the .cfg file.
18:41:57linuxstbSo a recent commit to the core increased the main stack usage, and broke mpegplayer... I think it only affects Coldfire targets.
18:42:37thomasgI use the h10of-theme (from here: ). It works and in the menu it looks good - but at the WPS I only have the theme background. the output is not centered like on the screenshot and I also have the text-like statusbar, not the graphical one
18:43:27thomasgI also tried to load the h10of.wps manually, but this doesnt work, too
18:43:28pixelmaNico_P: I'm not sure... it's desired that it should be as perfect as possible (because it breaks all the lang files and voice...) so it should be tested well before a commit
18:43:56Nico_Ppixelma: yeah I'm not going to rush into committing :) just curious
18:44:51PaulJamthomasg: this Theme/WPS doesn't work with the official build. it requires patches/an unsupported build
18:44:55linuxstbthomasg: It sounds like the wps files is either broken, or uses unofficial WPS features. In either case, Rockbox will reject it and just display the standard.
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18:46:47thomasgPaulJam, ok, but I have this problem with all other themes I tested, like ZenPod, or BlackGlass
18:47:12linuxstbTry ones which advertise themselves as working with an official build.
18:48:26pixelmaNico_P: and it would be good if target specific voice file creation could be ready at the same time (nls already made a patch for it IIRC, but I think it'll also need a better way of distributing those) - but I'm guessing here a bit too
18:48:59thomasgok, seems all pixel-based themes are working and all picture-based arent
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19:07:47pixelmaNico_P: thanks for the sync :) Did you keep an eye on the "x5,m5" description? (Because I'm reminded of that when looking at the recently commited german language update...)
19:08:02Nico_Ppixelma: absolutely not
19:08:31Nico_Ppixelma: btw, is the german lang update ok ?
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19:09:48pixelmawell, the "x5:" is not (because then it won't appear for M% which has the same key pad) ... I'm just skimming through the diff just now
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19:12:40pixelmalooks like there are some unnecessary spaces in combined words... :/
19:13:31bluebrotherin the updated german lang file?
19:14:09pixelmayes, e.g. "Listenbeschleunigungs Geschwindigkeit"
19:14:34bluebrotherI always wondered if it makes sense someone commiting a lang file in a language he doesn't understand.
19:14:38Domonokythat sounds like google translator :-)
19:14:57bluebrotherat least if there are developers around speaking that language :o
19:15:29bluebrotherDomonoky: I'm progressing with rbutilqt ;-)
19:15:31*pixelma hates Deppenleerzeichen...
19:15:37*bluebrother too
19:15:47Domonokybluebrother: nice :-)
19:16:13bluebrotherdownloading works. If I get unzipping to work I'm going to spread the current state.
19:16:34bluebrotherin the hope someone more fluently in c++ corrects my Anfängerfehler ;-)
19:16:58Domonokybluebrother: i will take a look when you make it aviable :-)
19:17:25bluebrotherI hope you like the small changes I made to the UI
19:19:08pixelmaNico_P: though the M5/X5 issue is probably present in english.lang too (still)
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19:23:15pixelmaand "Aufnahmeverzeichnis leeren" sounds dangerous...
19:24:06bluebrotherhow about having a wiki page that lists the languages of devs? So before committing you could ask someone with that native language for checking
19:24:16Domonoky"Aufnahmepfad zurcksetzten" would be better..
19:24:16bluebrotheror maybe add the information to the IrcNicks page?
19:26:14pixelmaI think it would be good if that's to be found somewhere, too
19:26:32*n1s looks around for a perl and makefile wizard...
19:26:43PaulJampixelma: the "Aufnahmeverzeichnis leeren" was a misunderstanding it was changed in the second commit.
19:28:09pixelmaok, right. Looked at both diffs and didn't see the other one there
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19:37:39Domonokybluebrother: how do you do the unzipping in qt ?
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19:43:20oboDomonoky: is pretty good
19:43:27bluebrotherwooo :) It worked
19:43:41bluebrotherobo: Domonoky: that's the code I used.
19:44:05bluebrothertime for some food now. I hope I can release something this evening ;-)
19:44:22*obo goes to read the logs
19:44:28bluebrothercurrently only installing a build works and a lot of checks are missing. But it works.
19:44:40bluebrother(and me learned quite a bit about c++ and Qt ;-)
19:44:44Domonokybluebrother: nice..
19:45:07Domonokybluebrother: what about settings.. logging of installing and such stuff ?
19:45:42Nico_PDomonoky: why Qt may I ask ?
19:46:17DomonokyNico_P: because its better than wx.. :-) and bluebrother writes it at the moment :-)
19:46:25Nico_Pare you planning on rewriting rbutil for Qt ?
19:46:52*Domonoky is only planning on helping, bluebrother is rewriting :-)
19:48:10Nico_Pnice :)
19:50:36Nico_Pn1s: seen my langv2 cleanup sync ?
19:51:18n1sNico_P: no, I jsut synced it myself yesterday :-(
19:51:33Nico_Poh :(
19:51:58Nico_Pwell at least you'll be able to diff the diffs to make sure I didn't miss anyhting
19:52:34n1sNico_P: are you any good with makefiles and/or pearl?
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19:52:45Nico_Pnot really no
19:52:56Nico_Pespecially not perl
19:53:13Nico_Pis it for the remaining issues that are blocking the cleanup ?
19:54:37n1sNico_P: yes, the major blocking issue is that doesn't get the list of features and send it to genlang, for the built in strings this is doen in the apps/Makefile but the .lng files are built by buildzip
19:54:48n1sunfortunately my pearl skills == 0
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19:56:51Nico_Pn1s: same here unfortunately
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19:58:27n1sI hope Bagder will come back and fix it since he invented the whole features.txt mechanism...
19:58:28linuxstbWhat exactly needs to be done?
19:59:02Nico_Pn1s: and what is features.txt and its role ?
20:00:17n1slinuxstb: if you look at the patch and what is added to apps/Makefile (parsing of the features.txt file and passing it to genlang as a list of features) the same needs to be done in when building the .lng files.
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20:01:09n1sNico_P: it controls which strings are included based on defines in the various config*.h files
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20:02:04linuxstbIs features.txt in SVN? I can see a reference to it in apps/FILES, but can't find features.txt...
20:02:08n1sfor example every target that defines HAVE_RECORDING will have the "recording" feature and will thus include all the recording related strings
20:02:49n1slinuxstb: no, it's part of the patch, I added it to FILES when updating it a while ago
20:02:51Nico_Plinuxstb: no, it's not
20:03:09linuxstbSo it shouldn't be in FILES yet?
20:03:20n1sI thought it would be committed semi-soon by then... and FILES is forgotten pretty often :-)
20:03:41linuxstbWhere is the patch?
20:03:48n1slinuxstb: well, I asked Bagder and he thought it was ok but maybe it's confusing
20:04:03linuxstbI don't think it's worth removing, but it was confusing...
20:04:36linuxstbOuch, v20...
20:04:50beefsaladI have an archos jukebox studio 20 running rockbox v2.5, the way I have my mp3s layed out on the filesystem is Artist/Album/Song.mp3, is there a way to make rockbox randomly move between the Artist and Album directories, or am I going to have to drop all of the files down a directory to do that?
20:05:47n1sbeefsalad: you can make it advance to a random folder but you need to update to a more recent version
20:06:45n1sNico_P: did you sort the newly added strings when you did your sync?
20:07:03Nico_Pn1s: no
20:08:18linuxstbn1s: It looks straightforward to do. The Makefile generates $(OBJDIR)/features which the the processed version of apps/features.txt. So buildzip just needs to read that file, and the Makefile adapted. I'll have a quick look now - will you be around for the next 20 minutes or so?
20:08:21beefsaladn1s: n1s gracias
20:08:57n1slinuxstb: i hope so, will read the logs tomorrow if I can't
20:10:27linuxstbn1s: What does need to do based on features.txt?
20:11:02linuxstbAh, calls genlang, so that call to genlang needs the features?
20:11:36n1slinuxstb: yes, it needs the same list of features that the Makefile sends to genlang
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20:14:49linuxstbn1s: OK, it looks like takes a -t parameter, and then just passes that parameter onto genlang. So buildzip itself doesn't need modifying, we just need to change the Makefile to pass the features as part of the -t option to buildzip.
20:15:40n1slinuxstb: ah, yes that seems like a better solution :-)
20:22:31n1slinuxstb: well, gtg will check back later tonight, thanks for looking into this
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20:24:37Nico_Plinuxstb: you might want to look at FS #7215 and FS #6652
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20:30:24linuxstbn1s: Including button.h in features.txt isn't nice - it adds some C prototypes to features. Maybe that #define needs to be put in config.h to be cleaner.
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20:35:34*amiconn just won an auction on a 2nd gen ipod :)
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20:37:44bluebrotherDomonoky, obo: I have a first version here:
20:38:03bluebrotherdon't miss to read the issues.txt. There's still a lot of work left.
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20:38:15bluebrotherand I have no idea how bad my code is ;-)
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20:41:07obohehe, it was the first thing I read ;)
20:41:21*Domonoky will take a look :-)
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20:48:32*obo now has a freshly installed current build via rbutilqt4
20:48:42linuxstbbluebrother: Does it need qt3 or will it work with qt4?
20:48:51linuxstb(the Makefile refers to qt 3.3)
20:49:02*linuxstb needs to install qt
20:51:37ionyxis there a rockbox release for iPod nano 2nd gen?
20:52:27Doomedno, it says it on the homepage
20:52:44ionyxthat's what I thought...
20:52:52bluebrotherlinuxstb: qt4 only
20:53:34ionyx ydnj '
20:53:39ionyx srry
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20:54:07ionyxis it being work'd on?
20:54:53linuxstbbluebrother: The makefile refers to a file called "/usr/lib/qt-3.3/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf"
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20:57:29linuxstbHmm, my Debian unstable won't install libqt4-dev anyway - unmet dependencies...
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21:03:55RayvinHello. I've a question and have checked out the FAQ and couldn't find an answer for it. Up until last night rockbox showed all the folders on my iPOD fifth gen video properly. But last night the .rockbox, iPOD control, Found.0000 folders just disappeared. *My PC still shows them as there. I can access them from the PC but Rockbox acts as if they aren't there.
21:04:38linuxstbYou've probably changed the "file view" option
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21:05:06linuxstbIf it's set to anything but "all" it will hide hidden/system folders - e.g. .rockbox and iPod_Control
21:05:31RayvinHang on one sec and I'll check that. File view would be under settings?
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21:06:57RayvinOk. All I see are "Sort case-sensitive" "Sort Directories" "Sort Files"
21:07:20linuxstbn1s: I _think_ this is OK - linuxstb.diff"> - you need to revert apps/Makefile back to the SVN version, then apply my patch.
21:08:17linuxstbRayvin: It's the "Show Files" option.
21:08:27RayvinOk...Hold on then.
21:08:31linuxstb(in the File View menu)
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21:09:03RayvinThank you!!! It works now.
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21:36:19*bluebrother back
21:37:13bluebrotherlinuxstb: seems the top level makefile is left from an old (erroneous) run of qmake
21:37:50bluebrotherbut that file only triggers the src folders Makefile, so it doesn't matter
21:39:34linuxstbOK. But I need to kick Debian into installing libqt4-dev first...
21:40:13*bluebrother awaits the first complaints ;-)
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21:43:13*Domonoky is building it..
21:43:26bluebrotherbuilding on windows?
21:43:52Domonokythats the problem :-)
21:44:13bluebrotherhmm, never tried that. But I installed Qt4 the last time I booted windows ;-)
21:44:17Domonokyi had to change a few paths in the files, and it now compiles, but doesnt link.. hm..
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21:44:38bluebrotherhmm, shouldn't a simply "qmake" run fix that itself?
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21:55:09Domonokybluebrother: do i have to compile the zlib seperatly ?
21:56:04obozlib is compiled into the QT4 libs, it should include it automagically
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21:57:12Domonokynow it worked :-)
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21:59:44Domonokybluebrother: ui is nice.. not much changes.. :-)
21:59:58bluebrotherno, only slight changes.
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22:04:07PaulJami just had an idea for a WPS feature request and was wondering if it is reasonable or too esotheric: What i'd like to see would be to have the remaining-, elapsed- and total songtime tags as a conditional with <shorterthan 10 min|between 10 and 60 min|longer than 60 min>. this would solve some alignment issues in my wps with long songs.
22:08:11bluebrothernice. Found a solution for the rbutil.ini in pwd issue.
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22:09:10Domonokythe problem with the paths for rbutil.ini and other things, is that they are different depending on the os..
22:09:59bluebrotherhmm. It should read rbutil.ini from the folder you ran the binary.
22:10:48Domonokyon windows and macosX thats correct.. but on linux, there is a configuration dir..
22:11:13bluebrotherah, you mean the system wide configuration? Yeah, that's in ~/.config
22:11:16Domonokyso rbutilWx checks different locations for the ini file.
22:12:10bluebrotherok, first patch is out. rbutil.ini should now always be in the binary folder.
22:12:13Domonokyalso the path for temporry things should be different on different plattforms.
22:12:31bluebrotheryeah −− I haven't bothered about that yet.
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22:12:54Domonokyjeah. no problem..things can evolve :-)
22:13:26bluebrotherwell, I'm quite curious if there is enough interest to evolve it ;-)
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22:14:38Domonokythere were many people interested in a qt version.. so i think so :-)
22:15:44amiconnPutting an .ini with user configuration into the directory of the binary is _not_ correct behaviour on windows
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22:17:46bluebrotherthat's not the user configuration in that folder
22:18:01bluebrotherthat's the system configuration (for rbutil)
22:18:23bluebrotherbut for a portable installation it also looks in that folder (and will prefer that if one is present)
22:18:46bluebrotherin Qt you can simply create a QSettings object and Qt will put it in the standard location depending on the OS
22:18:59*amiconn hates programs which don't obey the system rules on windows
22:19:32amiconnA program that can't be run as non-admin without tricks is a bad program imo
22:19:40bluebrotherwell, I do so too. But IMO the system configuration (which only changes with new program versions) should be ok there.
22:20:00bluebrotherdon't you need admin rights for ipodpatcher anyway?
22:20:08amiconn(unless there are special requirements for admin rights, like direct hardware access)
22:20:23amiconnYes, but then you need them only if you want to use the ipodpatcher function
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22:22:25bluebrotherbut we could include that ini file into the binary using the resource file mechanism. Might be a good idea anyway ...
22:23:17Domonokybluebrother: but then you cant change it easly.. like changing an url..
22:23:40bluebrotherwell, you just need to recompile ;-)
22:23:55bluebrotherand you could always check for a file in the binary folder first
22:24:09bluebrotherbut currently it doesn't work if you miss the ini file.
22:25:58Domonokyi would leave this for the time, and change it when rbutilQt is nearly ready.. :-)
22:26:52Domonokybluebrother: with the zlib you used, would it be possible to track all unzipped files ?
22:26:54linuxstbIsn't the idea that rbutil downloads rbutil.ini from the server - so users don't need to update rbutil so frequently?
22:27:13bluebrotherthat's an option too.
22:27:21Domonokythats even better..
22:27:24bluebrotherDomonoky: you can easily create a list of the files in the zip
22:27:33linuxstbBut maybe now we have lots of download mirrors, it's not such an issue.
22:27:42bluebrotherso putting that in the log file should be sufficient, right?
22:27:49Domonokybluebrother: yes..
22:28:03amiconnDownloading the .ini requires it to put it into the user profile
22:28:13Domonokybluebrother: thats for uninstalling, so you can only remove installed file, and no user created files..
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22:33:04tucozbluebrother, hi. What do i need to be able to build your tool?
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22:33:29bluebrotheryou need qt4. Run qmake and then a simple make
22:33:39tucozaha. thanks
22:34:03bluebrothermake sure to run the qt4 qmake if you have both installed (ran into using the wrong version myself ;-)
22:35:40tucoznow it looks like it's building
22:37:43n1slinuxstb: thanks, I will take a closer look tomorrow, now sleep
22:37:49tucozDomonoky, i said a few days ago that rbutil could follow ui standards more closely. i take that back. the version i referred to was an old one. i like the looks of the currrent one.
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22:38:17tucoznice and simple
22:39:11tucozbluebrother, looks nice. and i guess qt is nicer to work in than wxwindows
22:39:52bluebrotherat least I learned the basics of Qt ;-)
22:41:43tucozmaybe the tool could be i18n'ized
22:42:14tucozusing some scheme, such as the one kde uses
22:42:32Domonokybluebrother: one thing you have to look at, is error handling.. in wx we could just make a MessageWindow with an error text, and if you get back to the main loop you get all error messages in one..
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22:43:09Domonokyso the topmost error message was in the message box, and all deeper errors were in a details box
22:43:27bluebrothertucoz: Qt already provides functions for i18n. I played around with it very shortly
22:43:43bluebrotherit's quite easy to do.
22:44:01Domonokyso you get something like "Installation failed" and in details you get the error messages from eg. ipodpatcher..
22:44:06bluebrotherDomonoky: do we want to collect all error messages?
22:44:30Domonokyl18n is easly in all those Gui toolkit.. :-)
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22:44:43Domonokybluebrother: would be nice..
22:44:46*DerPapst waves :)
22:44:51bluebrotherI somewhat liked that detailed view, but isn't it a bit too ... technical?
22:45:15Domonokybut it is good, when user reports an error..
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22:45:23Domonokyyou have more details..
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22:46:00bluebrotherhmm. That's right.
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22:46:48Drk_GuyHi guys!
22:46:55DerPapsthey guy
22:47:10Drk_GuyIs there any rockbox implementation for a SEMC Walkman phone?
22:47:42DerPapstonly daps no phones
22:47:51Drk_GuyI want my SEMC mobile equipped with it
22:48:04bluebrotherthen go port it ;-)
22:48:23Drk_GuyI don't have the techy specs of the W300 phone
22:48:32Drk_GuyBut the source code is at hand
22:48:53DerPapstwhy do you want to run a digital audio player firmware on a phone? rockbox lacks any phone specific code
22:49:26Drk_GuyWalkman is certainly...
22:49:32Drk_GuyBoring with the time
22:49:42DerPapstyou have the source code of the OF from the phone?
22:50:01Drk_GuyAnd even more if i can't use OGG or at least AACv2
22:50:15Drk_GuyI have the FW files of it
22:50:23Drk_GuyFor both, normal files and sys files
22:50:50linuxstbYou mean the binaries?
22:50:58DerPapstah... i thought yo have the source code
22:51:16Drk_GuyBut unluckily, no source-code
22:52:06DerPapstwell.. even if you had the source code i doubt any core dev would like to see rockbox on a phone...
22:52:12sarixea general question: how close are we to a final release?
22:52:32linuxstbDerPapst: I'm sure no-one would object if someone ported Rockbox to a phone...
22:52:37DerPapstso −−> <−−
22:52:47linuxstbsarixe: "final" means all developers are dead...
22:52:50PaulJamfinal release? am i missing something?
22:52:59sarixei mean, stable
22:53:09sarixenot final
22:53:10linuxstbYou mean a first release (for the swcodec targets) ?
22:53:28bluebrotherdepends on if there will be a conclusion to make a release :)
22:53:32PaulJamthe stable release for Hxxx will be in may.
22:53:37*DerPapst simply can't imagine rockbox on a phone :P
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22:53:47DerPapstmaybe as an app but not as firmware
22:54:03sarixewell, something along the lines of 2.5 for archos, but a stable version of current development
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22:54:48linuxstbsarixe: I don't think any devs would consider the code anywhere near release quality. And the playback code is about to be completely rewritten...
22:55:29bluebrotheris this the 3rd rewrite of the playback engine? Or even more? :o
22:55:32DerPapstwho's rewriting it? Nico_P?
22:55:46amiconnWell, even the release 2.5 for archos is known to have bugs
22:56:21linuxstbDerPapst: Nico_P and JdGordon are working on rewriting the file buffering code. I'm sure others will help with the other parts. The problem is that no-one understands the current code...
22:56:22amiconnIt's the first rewrite of the swcodec playback from ground up
22:57:39DerPapsti knew they were working on MoB... didn't know that they wanted to rewrite the playback engine as well.
22:58:13DerPapstwhat's so bad at the current one? except that noone understands it.
22:58:15Slasheriother changes to the playback code have been mainly restructuring it and making it even more complex so it's beoynd everyones knowledge
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22:58:49bluebrotheroh, is it also planned to transform the playback code to some macro language? :P
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22:59:11linuxstbSlasheri: I know how you feel - jhMikeS "restructured" mpegplayer so I don't recognise it anymore... But I'm sure it's better for it.
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22:59:35GNUtoohello does an alternative firmware exist for a Gmini XS 202? like archopen or is it suported by any experimental rockbox port?...i don't know any that exist?
22:59:52linuxstbbluebrother: Don't give him ideas...
22:59:53bluebrotherRockbox only supports the players listed on the front page
23:00:03bluebrotherlinuxstb: damn, right ...
23:00:18bluebrothersomeone rewrite that macro hell ...
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23:00:39GNUtoobluebrother, ok and is there any other firmware than rockbox that could support such player?
23:00:53DerPapstmacro language?
23:01:28webguest25is it possible to customize the menu ?
23:01:44webguest25possibly byusing a text file
23:02:06Lloreanwebguest25: No. Not without compiling a custom build of Rockbox.
23:02:09linuxstbwebguest25: The source code is in text files - you need to modify the source and recompile.
23:02:17PaulJamno, you can only change the txtcolour, icons and background in the menus
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23:03:13linuxstbwebguest25: How would you change the menus?
23:03:23webguest25reorganize or rename
23:03:40webguest25similar to evolution x or a menu.ini
23:04:00webguest25im a rook to rockbox
23:04:23linuxstbI just mean that if you don't like the current layout, what's wrong?
23:04:39webguest25nothings wrong
23:04:58webguest25just want it to be personally customized
23:05:39GNUtoono one is working on the gimini port at this moment?
23:06:06webguest25thats the point of all this(besides expanded capabilities) right?
23:06:25BagderGNUtoo: that's officially dead and removed by now
23:06:45DerPapstwebguest25: there was an attemp from JdGordon to realize something similar but noone liked it (with some exceptions ;) )
23:06:50linuxstbwebguest25: The only way you can do that is to learn how to compile Rockbox yourself, and learn how to modify the source code to rearrange things.
23:07:09bluebrotherwebguest25: we do not want to support customizable menus
23:07:20bluebrotherthus you can't easily do this.
23:08:21webguest25i c
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23:09:10webguest25i just thought that since it seems to be linux based then customizable menus would not be too hard to achieve
23:09:19LloreanIt's not linux based, at all.
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23:10:16webguest25i didnt lie when i said i was a rook to rockbox
23:11:39bluebrotherwell, how about having a look at the website then? ;-)
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23:13:34webguest25did that
23:13:43webguest25running rockbox now
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23:15:39webguest25played with the files, and came up with nothing
23:15:42robin0800webguest25,i can sort of see the point of say hiding the database menue if you don't use it
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23:16:13webguest25or organizing them according to how i see them fit
23:16:43webguest25frequently used close to top
23:16:43DerPapst^ ignore
23:17:09bluebrotheryou can always set the screen to file browser
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23:17:20bluebrotherand won't need to see the main menu most of the time
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23:18:02DerPapstwe shuld reduce the rockbox menu to the filebrowser only :P
23:19:27DerPapstthe settings menu could be replaced by a filder structire with single setting gonfig files. plugins can already be launched from the filebrowser...
23:19:35robin0800bluebrother,i don't think thats any good i need themes and playlist catalog not to mention resume playing
23:19:41DerPapst*folder structure
23:19:45LloreanDerPapst: You're about two weeks too late with suggesting that. :-P
23:20:00DerPapstawww snap ;)
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23:21:57someguywhen will a rockbox version be released that works on ipod nano second generation?
23:22:09linuxstbNo-one is working on it.
23:23:08Lloreansomeguy: Let me guess: You're not going to work on it either?
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23:23:36linuxstbHe's off to work on it now...
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23:24:47bluebrotherrobin0800: you don't need the menu for resuming playback
23:24:59bluebrotherand you can access the playlist catalog from the wps
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23:25:37bluebrothersetting the start screen to file browser doesn't disable the menu. You can still access it ...
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23:28:36webguest25so unless i know something about the source code and the modification thereof im out of luck ehhhh
23:30:56linuxstbIt's not that difficult, and you can do a lot more than just customise the menus if you start to compile Rockbox yourself and tweak the source code.
23:30:57webguest25okay good talk guys lol
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23:33:37DerPapstGood night everyone
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23:35:52Widgeti presume the database part of rockbox is common to all the different hardware players?
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23:47:45Widgeti'm just trying to stop mine get multiple entries for a single file
23:48:09Widgetit seems to be a lot happier if a album is split over multiple directories, rather than a one-dir-per-album approach
23:49:15bluebrotherhave you checked about deleted files in the pastebin on the player?
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23:55:57linuxstbRecycle Bin
23:56:01bluebrothererrr ... recycle bin
23:56:27bluebrotherwindows likes to put files there, and the database picks them up.
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23:58:58Widgetno, it hasn't been plugged into windows

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