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| 00:10:50 | Robin0800 | scorche,well whenever my ipods gone off it either resumes playback or stops on a menue screen where youcan select rusme playback |
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| 00:50:00 | lxx | hi all |
| 00:50:06 | lxx | i have ipod 80gb |
| 00:50:14 | lxx | i wan install rockbox |
| 00:50:37 | krazykit | i suggest reading the manual |
| 00:50:40 | tohtorijep | do it man!!! |
| 00:50:46 | krazykit | it explains how to install it |
| 00:50:57 | lxx | but i have 20gb on my ipod data files not mp3 it just 2 dvd`s |
| 00:51:15 | tohtorijep | and? |
| 00:51:32 | lxx | after rockbox install files will be ok or the deleted? |
| 00:52:02 | krazykit | rockbox does not delete any files. it will, however, alter the bootloader |
| 00:53:29 | lxx | so after bootloader files can ve delted or all will be ok and i no need to worry? |
| 00:53:55 | krazykit | what files are you talking about? |
| 00:54:32 | krazykit | rockbox requires the modified bootloader and the actual software, found in .rockbox on the player |
| 00:54:36 | * | linuxstb would worry if his ipod contained the only copies of important files |
| 00:56:57 | lxx | it not copies |
| 00:57:59 | lxx | so how do you think i need copy this two dvd`s on my pc hard drive before intalling rockbox and bootloader? |
| 00:58:47 | krazykit | it wouldn't be a bad idea. |
| 00:58:54 | linuxstb | I would say it's very unlikely anything will go wrong, but no-one can give you a guarantee. |
| 00:59:52 | HellDragon | torched |
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| 01:02:58 | markun | lxx: why do you want to install rockbox? |
| 01:04:16 | lxx | i hate copy files via itunes or other software i want copy mp3`s to my ipod like like on my SDcard |
| 01:04:34 | markun | sounds like a good reason :) |
| 01:05:01 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying in your email to the dev list... Do you think the proposal is useful? |
| 01:05:10 | lxx | +rockbox support FLAC |
| 01:06:03 | linuxstb | lxx: If you have a basic level of computer skills then you shouldn't have any problems installing Rockbox. As others mentioned earlier, the manual describes the installation process. |
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| 01:07:49 | lxx | i know but i read somwhere in manual i cant listen mp3`s what i copied via itunes after i intall rockbox its true? |
| 01:08:15 | Soul-Slayer | No |
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| 01:08:31 | Soul-Slayer | You can use the database to listen to the music you have already copied on |
| 01:08:40 | Soul-Slayer | But not the file browser (Efficiently anyway) |
| 01:08:46 | markun | lxx: do you remember where in the manual you read it? |
| 01:08:50 | krazykit | lxx, what you can't play are the files you bought from the itunes store |
| 01:08:52 | linuxstb | lxx: The only itunes files you can't play are DRM-protected AAC files and Audible files. |
| 01:09:10 | linuxstb | krazykit: Unless they're DRM-free... |
| 01:09:21 | krazykit | oh right, they did start that didn't they |
| 01:10:46 | lxx | other question rockbox support bookmarks in mp3 audiobooks? |
| 01:12:45 | markun | rockbox supports bookmarking if that's what you mean |
| 01:13:18 | lxx | yeah thats what i mean |
| 01:13:55 | markun | does the ipod firmware support it? |
| 01:14:39 | linuxstb | I believe it does, but only in files identified as audiobooks (.m4b files IIRC). |
| 01:15:00 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I think so to have "experts" in certain areas of code, sure as well as someone to consult about possible bugs or side-effects when accepting FS patches. I was saying there it has seemed to occur anyway without actually declaring someone as an official maintainer. |
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| 01:38:22 | webguest09 | can anyone help me with installing rockbox on the ipod |
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| 01:40:19 | scorche | what problems are you encountering? |
| 01:40:28 | Llorean | He's gone. |
| 01:40:32 | Llorean | Only lasted 24 seconds. |
| 01:40:38 | scorche | heh...so i see... |
| 01:41:02 | scorche | Llorean: can you add "useless polls" to the forum guidelines please? |
| 01:41:22 | Llorean | Do we even need polls? |
| 01:41:42 | scorche | not really, but i can see a use for them in some cases |
| 01:41:56 | * | scorche sighs at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11707 |
| 01:43:38 | Llorean | Can you see a use for them for regular members? |
| 01:44:40 | scorche | yes, but nothing we cant do without |
| 01:44:53 | Llorean | I think I'm just gonna disable polls for normal users then. |
| 01:45:00 | Llorean | They all seem to be like that these days. |
| 01:45:17 | Llorean | I remember one like "Can you help me?" with "Yes" and "No" being the answers |
| 01:45:33 | scorche | and the one i linked above |
| 01:45:39 | scorche | quite useless |
| 01:45:45 | Llorean | Yup |
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| 02:06:40 | xiambax | my ipod is frozen at "Data abort at 40001410" how do i restart rockbox? |
| 02:09:18 | xiambax | anyone? |
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| 02:11:50 | xiambax | bigmac |
| 02:12:00 | BigMac | xiambax: Yes? |
| 02:12:23 | xiambax | you a rockbox guru? |
| 02:13:16 | scorche | xiambax: it is considered quite rude to go about how you are to find a question |
| 02:13:31 | scorche | s/find/find the answer to |
| 02:13:56 | xiambax | :| |
| 02:14:02 | xiambax | ruder of you to say so. |
| 02:14:41 | Llorean | xiambax: Highlighting individuals to try to get them to help, and not simply being patient, is considered very rude. |
| 02:14:44 | scorche | no it isnt...i am enforcing the guidelines of the channel which you should have read before you spoke |
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| 02:14:55 | xiambax | ok then. |
| 02:14:57 | scorche | xiambax: why dont you just search google for reset ipod and see what comes up? |
| 02:15:14 | xiambax | i know how to reset an ipod using hold and the menu and select button |
| 02:15:16 | xiambax | it isnt working |
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| 02:15:24 | scorche | then you likely arent doing it right |
| 02:15:28 | Llorean | Try again, it'll work if you do it right. |
| 02:16:03 | xiambax | iv been doing it right now awhile now |
| 02:16:36 | scorche | you are doing it exactly how it says to here? http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61705 |
| 02:16:37 | nekura42 | try unplugging it, if it's plugged in at all |
| 02:16:45 | xiambax | ah there we go |
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| 04:25:27 | themeat | Howdy everybody. I own an iRiver H10 20GB with today's version of rockbox just installed on it. I turned off the idle poweroff limit to rule out this occurrence. Anyway: when left to play sitting normally on the table top under no particular stress, not on hold, without my interference, the player simply freezes and will not respond until I press the reset button and power it back up. It has been doing this ever since around the June |
| 04:25:27 | themeat | 20th release. Is there a way to fix that while using a more updated version? There was another bug in the June 20th release that was less annoying, but I still didn't want to deal with it. |
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| 04:32:59 | saratoga | i don't see anything that would specifically impact the H10 in the changes made on the 20th |
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| 04:36:31 | themeat | The 20th was the release which didn't have that problem. |
| 04:36:59 | themeat | I was gone for three and a half weeks, then I updated with the version of last Saturday which randomly froze. |
| 04:36:59 | saratoga | what was the first one that did have a problem |
| 04:37:46 | themeat | Then I tried going backwards, and all of them froze up to the point I gave up which was around a few days after the 20th of June. |
| 04:38:22 | themeat | Hold on, let me find out exactly... |
| 04:38:53 | themeat | The 22nd. |
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| 04:42:05 | saratoga | what is the revision number of the last working build? |
| 04:43:10 | themeat | Is that on the version number preceded by an r? |
| 04:47:41 | themeat | I'm going to assume so...in which case it is r13681 |
| 04:49:02 | saratoga | 13681 is a change to the rockbox manual |
| 04:49:31 | saratoga | oh |
| 04:49:55 | saratoga | you mean 13682 doesn't work? |
| 04:50:02 | themeat | Right. |
| 04:50:40 | themeat | Has no one else had this problem? |
| 04:50:59 | saratoga | not that i know of |
| 04:51:13 | saratoga | its odd that you would have it, that change should impact all color targets |
| 04:51:38 | saratoga | theres nothing H10 specific about it |
| 04:52:05 | saratoga | one thing you could try is just updating your bootloader, since sometimes very old ones break on newer builds |
| 04:52:09 | saratoga | though thats a long shot |
| 04:52:29 | themeat | Hmm...could it be a flaw in the device itself? |
| 04:53:47 | saratoga | does the original firmware still work normally |
| 04:54:04 | themeat | I never even used it. As soon as this arrived I installed rockbox. |
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| 04:56:14 | webguest76 | Hi! |
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| 04:57:04 | webguest35 | Hi! |
| 04:57:18 | webguest35 | I have a Toshiba Gigabeat F40 |
| 04:57:26 | webguest35 | ..and I want to try Rockbox |
| 04:58:47 | webguest35 | but before that I wanna know if I can make different partitions in its hard disk to install linux and still ROCKBOX functions properly |
| 04:58:55 | webguest35 | anyone have an idea? |
| 04:59:15 | webguest35 | Heloooo? |
| 04:59:33 | krazykit | webguest35, chill |
| 04:59:34 | Llorean | webguest35: 1) Please read the channel guidelines |
| 04:59:36 | themeat | So the original firmware seems to work perfectly fine... |
| 04:59:43 | krazykit | it takes a few moments for people to answer |
| 04:59:43 | Llorean | They ask that you have patience. |
| 04:59:53 | Llorean | 2) What do you mean "Install Linux" on your Gigabeat? |
| 04:59:56 | themeat | Also, it is in colour. |
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| 05:00:03 | webguest35 | thanks! it seemed that no one was participating |
| 05:00:30 | Llorean | webguest35: If nobody answers, nobody answers. But don't post "Heloooo?" type lines. |
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| 05:00:46 | webguest35 | well, if can install a linux distribution in a partition on the hard disk, I guess its possible to use it as my portable OS to use in different macines |
| 05:01:51 | Llorean | It should be possible as long as you don't destroy the FAT32 partition. |
| 05:02:12 | saratoga | themeat: i suppose you could ask JdGordon about that the next time hes on |
| 05:02:16 | saratoga | at least i have no idea |
| 05:02:50 | webguest35 | Thanks Lorean, but my question is does the FAT32 partion NEED to be the first partition to RockBox to fucntion properly? |
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| 05:03:09 | themeat | Hmmm. Okay. Thanks a lot for trying to help. Any particular times that JdGordon is habitually online? |
| 05:03:29 | Llorean | webguest35: It expects it to be installed to the first primary fat32 partition, if I understand correctly. |
| 05:03:40 | webguest35 | Thanks saratoga, have u any idea on when can I find him or someone else with knowledge about this? |
| 05:03:47 | saratoga | themeat: i think hes in europe, so daytime there woudl be a good bet |
| 05:03:53 | Llorean | saratoga: Australia |
| 05:03:59 | webguest35 | Ouch! |
| 05:04:04 | themeat | Damn. No time is good for that. |
| 05:04:10 | webguest35 | anothe question if anyone know |
| 05:04:20 | themeat | Whoops, sorry. Forgot about the language thing. Alright. Thanks saratoga. |
| 05:04:20 | saratoga | webguest35: thanks for what? |
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| 05:05:39 | webguest35 | I have tried many times (well like 3 times in 3 different days) to register to the forum, but the "register" button at the bottom of the page is inactive no matter what! |
| 05:05:58 | webguest35 | and I checked in 2 browsers: Firefox + Opera |
| 05:06:46 | webguest35 | Does anyone know if there is something special needs to be done to register at the forums? |
| 05:06:54 | krazykit | click the button is all, really |
| 05:07:11 | krazykit | do you have a 3rd party firewall? it might be interfering in the name of "security" |
| 05:08:02 | webguest35 | Yes it is obvious that clicking the button should make but it does not works |
| 05:08:04 | Llorean | The most recent forum registrant was 44 minutes ago, so it seems to still be working |
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| 05:08:54 | webguest35 | really? I guess that i have to deativate temporaly my firewall, but this is the first time it happens something like that to me |
| 05:09:21 | Llorean | webguest35: I believe the most likely cause is you not properly typing the security letters |
| 05:09:56 | webguest35 | Are they case sensitive? |
| 05:10:08 | Llorean | I believe so |
| 05:10:43 | webguest35 | Because is true that they're a little bit hard to identify so I used the Audio with the spoken letters |
| 05:11:03 | webguest35 | but this doesn't say if they're upper or lower case |
| 05:11:50 | webguest35 | I guess I'll have to try again later |
| 05:12:58 | webguest35 | about the partitions on the Gigabeat, are u sure that if I partition the disk with the FAT32 partition 1st, it works? |
| 05:13:10 | Llorean | I haven't tried it personally. |
| 05:13:13 | Llorean | I told you what I know. |
| 05:14:12 | webguest35 | another questions though! |
| 05:15:09 | webguest35 | I use my gigabeat quite frequently as an additional Harddisk, so I have to connect frequently and for (perhaps) a long time to the USB port... |
| 05:15:37 | webguest35 | ... and each time I do this the battery recharges |
| 05:16:19 | krazykit | yes, this is a feature. |
| 05:16:39 | krazykit | it's also in the original firmware |
| 05:16:45 | webguest35 | the question is, can cause this any harm to the battery or make its life shorter in anyway (I mean having no complete discharges - complete recharges)? |
| 05:17:04 | saratoga | its a normal litium poly battery so normal rules apply |
| 05:17:25 | saratoga | deep discharges are bad, slowly wears down as it ages, etc |
| 05:17:55 | webguest35 | Well, I guess I don't the normal rules, but if u can point in the right direction I could research by myself (in Wikipedia does'nt say anything about it) |
| 05:18:14 | webguest35 | What are deep discharges? |
| 05:18:39 | Llorean | Actually wikipedia used to have an extensive article on LiIon/LiPoly batteries I thought |
| 05:19:25 | webguest35 | Yes, but all theoretical not practical stuff like what I need 2 know |
| 05:20:35 | Llorean | Um, if you aren't willing to trust "what it's supposed to do", then isn't the only solution to test it yourself? |
| 05:21:54 | webguest35 | I didn't understood |
| 05:22:06 | webguest35 | to test what? |
| 05:22:56 | Llorean | Whatever is in the article that you don't believe. |
| 05:25:10 | webguest35 | You mean the part about the deep discharge caused by "when they are recharged so often that they can no longer hold a charge." (citing the article)? |
| 05:26:29 | saratoga | what exactly are you asking |
| 05:27:10 | webguest35 | But it also said this "Unlike Ni-Cd batteries, lithium-ion batteries should be charged early and often." |
| 05:27:57 | webguest35 | My question can I still use connect as often as I want my Gigabeat to the PC without worries? |
| 05:28:15 | saratoga | i don't see how it matters |
| 05:28:25 | webguest35 | or is better to pass any files in use to the local hard disk and then disconnect the player? |
| 05:29:35 | krazykit | you're worried about HD failure? all you can do is have stuff backed up and not worry about it |
| 05:30:06 | scorche | no he isnt... |
| 05:30:16 | webguest35 | The escenery is that I conncet the player to the PC for say 3 hours, work on some files located at it hardisk (o play the audio files located within it), and when I leave I disconect the player to take it with me and later I do this 2 or 3 times more |
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| 05:31:06 | scorche | webguest35: what you want to avoid is completely draining the batteries and recharging them....that is where the "early and often" quote comes from |
| 05:31:32 | webguest35 | thanks scorche I think u get my idea, the question is, doing this almost daily I'm I wearing down inadvertedly the battery? |
| 05:32:17 | webguest35 | thanks scorche, so no problem with what I do in my daily scenery? |
| 05:32:50 | webguest35 | no risk of 'over charcging' it? |
| 05:33:10 | scorche | if you over charge a lithium ion, they tend to explode... |
| 05:33:32 | scorche | that wont happen unless something is wrong with the battery or charging hardware |
| 05:33:51 | saratoga | this was all in the wikipedia entry |
| 05:34:03 | scorche | indeed |
| 05:35:17 | webguest35 | yes it was, but as I stated earlier it has to sentences that contradicted themselves, that's the reason of my confussion and my asking? |
| 05:35:32 | scorche | i dont see any sentences contradicting.. |
| 05:36:22 | webguest35 | 1: "when they are recharged so often that they can no longer hold a charge." |
| 05:36:49 | webguest35 | 2: "Unlike Ni-Cd batteries, lithium-ion batteries should be charged early and often." |
| 05:37:09 | scorche | i dont see #1... |
| 05:37:17 | krazykit | that isn't contradictive anyway |
| 05:37:23 | webguest35 | yep, is there trust me |
| 05:37:28 | krazykit | "so often" is lots and lots and lots and LOTS of cycles |
| 05:37:30 | scorche | where? |
| 05:37:35 | krazykit | probably longer than the life of your player, webguest35 |
| 05:37:43 | scorche | give a direct quote instead of paraphrasing please |
| 05:38:01 | webguest35 | the quotes are direct quotes |
| 05:39:25 | webguest35 | it also said "It is significantly beneficial to avoid storing a lithium-ion battery at full charge." |
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| 05:40:14 | webguest35 | So watching all this mixed messages, what I wanted to know what were tour 1st hand experiences, I mean, how do you handle this? |
| 05:40:45 | scorche | i dont really care about it, to be honest...i just avoid discharging completely |
| 05:40:46 | krazykit | webguest35, i'd stick my player into the fridge if you're that worried about it. |
| 05:41:02 | krazykit | webguest35, but don't do that. condensation would be bad for the player. |
| 05:41:14 | webguest35 | WOW! |
| 05:41:14 | scorche | .. |
| 05:42:28 | webguest35 | to the FRIDGE??? |
| 05:42:37 | scorche | you dont need the caps.. |
| 05:42:52 | scorche | batteries last longer in colder temperatures |
| 05:43:45 | scorche | one would think that if you are this worried about your battery life, you would have gotten a device that had easily replaceable batteries... |
| 05:44:49 | saratoga | this is a pretty ridiculous thing to worry about since you're going to need a new battery in a year or so anyway |
| 05:45:03 | saratoga | maybe sooner given how old most of the gigabeats are out there |
| 05:45:06 | webguest35 | yes, in tha past I used 'normal' Flash-based MP3 players with AAA batteries, but I wanted to try RBox :) and a harddisk based player |
| 05:45:55 | scorche | there are hard drive players that have easily replaced batteries |
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| 05:46:08 | scorche | ...that rockbox supports |
| 05:46:18 | webguest35 | for example? |
| 05:46:30 | webguest35 | the iPod? |
| 05:46:46 | saratoga | ipod isn't that hard, but the sansa is much easier |
| 05:46:48 | scorche | no...you have to break open the device for that |
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| 05:58:18 | webguest35 | to anyone who want to know and perhaps comment, this a good source of information that I just found: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm |
| 05:59:13 | krazykit | which is linked from wikipedia |
| 05:59:28 | krazykit | the first reference on the page, in fact. |
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| 06:00:06 | krazykit | it pretty much repeats *what was already on wikipedia* |
| 06:01:41 | XavierGr | webguest35: yes it is possible to install an OS on the ipod along with rockbox |
| 06:01:57 | XavierGr | e.g my H140 has knoppix in it and rockbox along side |
| 06:03:03 | webguest35 | andrewg867: Hi Xavier, thanks for the reference! |
| 06:04:04 | XavierGr | I think though that my OS partition is FAT16 |
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| 06:04:09 | webguest35 | How is your parition table? |
| 06:04:22 | XavierGr | let me check |
| 06:05:54 | XavierGr | I have a primary active partition that is FAT16 and a non-active primary partion FAT32 |
| 06:06:11 | XavierGr | no extended partitions |
| 06:06:29 | XavierGr | the hard part was to make the OS partition bootable |
| 06:06:42 | XavierGr | but rockbox didn't have a hard time to boot |
| 06:07:44 | webguest35 | and Knoppix works fine with the FAT16? |
| 06:08:15 | XavierGr | yes |
| 06:08:22 | webguest35 | and the FAT32 partition for RBox is before or after the FAT16 partition? |
| 06:08:34 | XavierGr | in fact the OS on USB utilities required that the partition is FAT16 |
| 06:08:49 | XavierGr | after the fat16 |
| 06:09:23 | webguest35 | and (soory for the quantity of quesionts) how did you managed to make it bootable? |
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| 06:09:54 | XavierGr | you have to run some tools on it |
| 06:10:12 | XavierGr | better search google for bootable usb sticks, or linux on USB etc |
| 06:10:17 | webguest35 | so is like a /dev/sda1 with FAT16 and a /dev/sda2 with FAT32? |
| 06:10:32 | XavierGr | yes the difference is that sda1 is active too |
| 06:10:40 | XavierGr | while sda2 is non-active |
| 06:10:52 | XavierGr | rockbox will just search for the first fat32 partition |
| 06:11:08 | XavierGr | though I think that it will not manage too boot on an extended partition table |
| 06:11:13 | webguest35 | OK, I understand, any chance to be able to use it ext3 in the linux partition? |
| 06:11:16 | XavierGr | but I am not sure |
| 06:11:35 | webguest35 | and (almost forgot) what abour a Swap partition? |
| 06:11:44 | XavierGr | yeah maybe, it is just that all the tools I've encountered for bootable usb deviced needed a FAT16 partition |
| 06:11:54 | webguest35 | Wow, so Rbox is samrt enough, I like it!!! |
| 06:11:59 | XavierGr | there is no swap partition on my installation |
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| 06:13:08 | webguest35 | no, but u can use 4 partitions all physical with no extended one! |
| 06:13:19 | XavierGr | I guess |
| 06:13:20 | webguest35 | at most 4 |
| 06:13:29 | XavierGr | as I said I haven't tried with more partitions |
| 06:13:52 | webguest35 | so I guess is possible 2 create another partition for Swap, what do u think? |
| 06:14:07 | XavierGr | yeah I think there won't be a problem |
| 06:14:11 | XavierGr | you will just have to try |
| 06:14:39 | XavierGr | I did that 2 years ago, so I don't really remember the process |
| 06:14:49 | XavierGr | but I remember that I failed a couple of times |
| 06:15:00 | XavierGr | I couldn't get linux to boot most of the time |
| 06:15:29 | XavierGr | well I hope that you have a pc that can boot from USB devices else you can't test it |
| 06:15:54 | webguest35 | Yes, mine is fairly new so I'm almost sure it can |
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| 06:17:12 | webguest35 | I guess that now I have to check for 'Linux on USB' |
| 06:17:47 | webguest35 | many thanks, your input has been very helpful |
| 06:17:58 | XavierGr | you're welcome |
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| 06:25:19 | webguest35 | amiconn: What about the arlier discussion about battery management, do u know something about it? |
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| 06:36:10 | webguest35 | I think I found THE answer at the battery university: "Charging a full battery is safe and does not cause harm." (source: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/partone-23.htm) |
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| 06:41:06 | webguest35 | Well, thank you to all, I'm leaving, BYE! |
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| 07:08:03 | JdGordon | hey all |
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| 07:09:47 | kkurbjun | JdGordon, I have a question on menus |
| 07:09:57 | JdGordon | shoiot |
| 07:09:59 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: hey. mind testing an ata-e200 update? it stops the card init on every card switch and addresses good yielding and improves timeout behavior. it's been working nicely here for some hours. |
| 07:10:19 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: yeah sure, but my tree is borked atm, so can you send me the .mi4? |
| 07:10:26 | kkurbjun | is there an equivalent for struct opt_items for plugins with the new menu api |
| 07:10:27 | jhMikeS | np |
| 07:10:57 | kkurbjun | it looks like MENUITEM_SETTING is, but it indicatess that the settings have to be in the core |
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| 07:12:56 | kkurbjun | also when calling MAKE_MENU, if you include other MAKE_MENU variables does it call do_menu when they are selected, or are the other menu's just added to the displayed list? |
| 07:14:04 | JdGordon | kkurbjun: no, there isnt an equiv for plugins, that needs to be done... and do_menu() is "automatically called" for submenus |
| 07:14:24 | kkurbjun | hmm |
| 07:14:26 | JdGordon | i put it like that because it actually just stays in the do_menu() call and uses a stack to remember where it was |
| 07:14:54 | kkurbjun | ok, the submenu thing was what I was hoping for |
| 07:15:25 | kkurbjun | I can probably work around the missing opt_item equivalent, I just wanted to try and make it as clean as possible |
| 07:18:58 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/MichaelSevakis?rev=2;filename=rockbox.mi4 |
| 07:21:50 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: will this stop the painicing i get almost every time i swap cards? |
| 07:22:46 | jhMikeS | maybe |
| 07:22:54 | jhMikeS | I thought that stopped |
| 07:23:03 | JdGordon | any particular ay you want it tested? |
| 07:23:13 | JdGordon | na, it seems to have got more frequent recently for some reason |
| 07:23:17 | jhMikeS | because your card acts different |
| 07:23:23 | * | JdGordon suspects my really dodgey cheap cards |
| 07:24:12 | jhMikeS | if it doesn't bother OF I really can't see that it should bother rb :\ |
| 07:25:04 | JdGordon | yeah, if only :p |
| 07:25:25 | jhMikeS | I was getting panics under certain conditions but that was due to the yielding which it now compensates for |
| 07:26:11 | JdGordon | ok, ill let you know fi i get any panics |
| 07:26:39 | JdGordon | oh, you said the way I did backlight fading was bad... without a dedicated backlight thread any other ideas how to do it? |
| 07:26:51 | jhMikeS | don't we have one? |
| 07:27:08 | jhMikeS | :) |
| 07:27:34 | JdGordon | modifieing that would then create a 3rd way of doing fading in rockbox! |
| 07:27:38 | jhMikeS | mmmm....yes...actually now that you mention it |
| 07:27:59 | * | JdGordon doesnt like how the backlight is currnelty handled |
| 07:28:19 | jhMikeS | the backlight thread can be tripped into doing waits with timeouts when it has a lengthy task to perform |
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| 07:33:15 | * | jhMikeS is itching to have one thread for scrolling remote and main lcd ... just have to do the yucky implementation steps. :[ |
| 07:33:38 | JdGordon | a thread for each screen? |
| 07:33:49 | jhMikeS | we already have that |
| 07:33:59 | jhMikeS | last I remember |
| 07:34:43 | * | JdGordon is then confused |
| 07:37:00 | jhMikeS | there's a thread to do scrollers on remote and another for the main lcd but even though the speeds can be different for each display, it should be possible to have one thread do it. |
| 07:37:41 | JdGordon | oh righto |
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| 07:42:56 | jhMikeS | no panic yet? :) |
| 07:44:10 | JdGordon | no, but its playing from ram... I guess it got through reading the cd fine |
| 07:44:46 | jhMikeS | what about swapping the card a bunch of times? |
| 07:44:52 | JdGordon | bah, got a crash |
| 07:45:11 | jhMikeS | what sort? |
| 07:45:14 | JdGordon | ... trying to go from wps->browser after i swapeed cards so the path didnt exsist anymore |
| 07:45:46 | * | JdGordon resets and procedes to break the chip locking mechnism |
| 07:46:34 | JdGordon | seems more reliable now |
| 07:46:35 | jhMikeS | I can do that one without a crash. |
| 07:46:55 | jhMikeS | It just goes back up to the root |
| 07:50:48 | JdGordon | hmm... possible crash/panic |
| 07:50:52 | JdGordon | screen is off though |
| 07:51:04 | JdGordon | definalty did one of them |
| 07:51:19 | JdGordon | spamming hotswap in the disk debug screen |
| 07:53:41 | jhMikeS | hmmmm...I can cause #5 by doing slow inserts and stuff. frankly I'm not sure about the whole panic thing. I really think errors returns are the way to go. |
| 07:57:08 | JdGordon | anything to stop the panics... they are such a PITA |
| 07:57:16 | jhMikeS | no big deal really. it can mux the cards without crashing and not reinitializing them. I think I know what's up with that. |
| 07:57:26 | JdGordon | unless we can get system_reboot() working so we dont have to hold down power for 25min |
| 07:58:23 | jhMikeS | I think now it still sees the card as initialized even though it has been removed because the ata thread hasn't seen gotten the message yet. |
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| 08:06:29 | Transience | is anyone here familiar with the Zen Vision M? |
| 08:12:46 | JdGordon | http://www.pastebin.ca/630439 was a post on a geek forum in the programming section.... the guy seems to think that exception handling is fine for flow control! |
| 08:15:43 | jhMikeS | ummm...won't that only work if a guard page is present at the end? :P |
| 08:16:13 | hcs | "There's more than one wrong way to do it." |
| 08:17:48 | Transience | i found a file on my ZVM |
| 08:18:17 | Transience | it's a 4mb xml doc that just has place names in different languages |
| 08:18:24 | Transience | does anyone know what this is? |
| 08:18:30 | Transience | it doesn't show up in windows |
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| 08:22:08 | jhMikeS | ok, this stupid driver will only panic now if no sd card insertion interrupts have occured while trying to mount the card...otherwise try mounting again |
| 08:23:44 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: re your last commit to english.lang. isnt the *: case supposed to be first? |
| 08:24:33 | jhMikeS | is it? it didn't seem to bother anything. |
| 08:25:09 | JdGordon | it doesnt? oh ok then |
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| 08:38:20 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: it does make a difference... have a look at the generated lang.c for a e200 build |
| 08:38:28 | JdGordon | the scan accell strings are there |
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| 08:43:02 | jhMikeS | ok, I guess it's np to reverse them |
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| 08:53:23 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: did I miss anything else that doesn't need to be there if not using the timed accel? |
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| 09:25:36 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: dunno, havnt actually looked at the whole patch yet, maybe tonight |
| 09:29:00 | jhMikeS | Other than the occasional oddness when inserting a card, no problems? I'm just going to rethink the mounting procedure a bit and probably consider panicing too severe for something that can disappear at any time. |
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| 10:44:16 | GodEater_ | v. quiet in here today. Is everyone on holiday ? |
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| 10:48:41 | amiconn | markun: around? |
| 10:48:43 | markun | yes |
| 10:49:12 | amiconn | I was searching for the Tomato TL1771 datasheet, and google told me you did the same last year |
| 10:49:22 | markun | ah :) |
| 10:49:27 | markun | Well, I didn't get it |
| 10:49:37 | markun | At least I don't think so |
| 10:49:56 | markun | Let me take a look |
| 10:49:58 | amiconn | I didn't find the TL1771 datasheet itself, but I found 2 lcd module datasheets which tell some parts about this controller |
| 10:50:23 | GodEater_ | which players uses a Tomato chip ? |
| 10:50:24 | amiconn | One has the complete command set, and the other has the power on, power off sequences etcv |
| 10:51:05 | amiconn | GodEater: Iriver remotes (TL0324), iAudio remotes (TL0350) and the H10 5/6 GB (TL1771) |
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| 11:12:28 | peppo | I think I have a corrupt filesystem on my iPod |
| 11:12:39 | peppo | but I don't seem to be able to check it with fsck.vfat? |
| 11:12:42 | peppo | (Linux) |
| 11:13:06 | hcs | are you trying the second partition? |
| 11:13:17 | peppo | yes, sdf2 |
| 11:13:23 | linuxstb_ | peppo: What command are you typing, and what happens? |
| 11:13:38 | peppo | fsck.vfat /dev/sdf1 |
| 11:13:43 | peppo | hm, I was trying sdf1 |
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| 11:27:49 | GodEater_ | looks like zune 1.0 will never make it to Europe now |
| 11:27:59 | GodEater_ | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/07/23/ms_confirms_zune_2/ |
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| 11:52:09 | pondlife | Morning Nico_P, spent the Googlecash yet? ;) |
| 11:52:27 | Nico_P | pondlife: amlost none of it |
| 11:53:40 | Nico_P | I don't have any particular plans for it |
| 11:54:02 | * | GodEater_ is disappointed to hear Nico_P isn't bent on world domination |
| 11:54:10 | JdGordon | more importtantly.... got anything working on mob yet? |
| 11:54:15 | JdGordon | s/yet/recently |
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| 11:55:25 | Nico_P | no... I'm on vacation with my gf so not much work getting done :) |
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| 11:55:59 | scorche | she hasnt used up all of the money yet? =P |
| 11:56:08 | Nico_P | hehe :) |
| 11:56:15 | pondlife | You're assuming Nico_P told her... |
| 11:56:17 | pondlife | :) |
| 11:56:28 | pondlife | I don't think I would ! |
| 11:56:42 | Nico_P | but I've been thinking a bit about it and I think RbinRB still may be the way to go. There'll just be a few tweaks needed for the metadata |
| 11:58:31 | pondlife | It's not the easiest thing to to think about - will probably be easier to get a working version then iron out the allocation/defrag algorithms. |
| 11:58:56 | Nico_P | well the current SVN code works pretty well |
| 11:59:06 | Nico_P | you could even add metadata to it quite easily |
| 11:59:09 | pondlife | Getting the outside world to not rely on memory that stays still will be fun. |
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| 12:01:33 | GodEater_ | presumably you wouldn't want the outside world to know though ? |
| 12:01:47 | GodEater_ | shouldn't the buffering api hide that fact ? |
| 12:02:08 | pondlife | Yes, as long as nobody holds onto data pointers and assumes they will always be valid. |
| 12:03:22 | GodEater_ | hmm - yes I see what you mean - you can ask the buffering api for a pointer - but nothing forces you to check back with the API later to make sure it's still there |
| 12:04:53 | pondlife | In fact it's only valid until a bufseek or bufadvance occurs on that handle (I think that's the current criteria). |
| 12:05:09 | pondlife | That may well change, of course... |
| 12:05:47 | * | pondlife thinks he might bring a notepad to the pub.... and hope that it all becomes clear after 5 pints. |
| 12:06:23 | GodEater_ | if you think I'm going to sit there discussing MoB after 5 pints, you're sadly mistaken |
| 12:06:45 | pondlife | Don't be concerned - I was joking, honest. |
| 12:07:18 | GodEater_ | ;) |
| 12:10:10 | pondlife | Is it just the 2 of us? I'm more concerned about that.. |
| 12:11:05 | * | JdGordon would come if a ticket magically arrived.... |
| 12:11:11 | GodEater_ | no - linuxstb is coming too |
| 12:11:14 | pondlife | Good |
| 12:11:28 | GodEater_ | also dan_a and there's a possibility of stripwax |
| 12:11:47 | GodEater_ | who ordered a T-Shirt from Bagder btw ? |
| 12:11:56 | pondlife | Whoever turns up I guess! |
| 12:12:09 | daurnimator | i'd come too :) |
| 12:12:17 | pondlife | Bit of a trek though... |
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| 12:15:57 | GodEater_ | pondlife: there were people who told Bagder their sizes though |
| 12:16:11 | GodEater_ | so there won't be much point fighting over a selection of t-shirts that won't fit you |
| 12:16:28 | linuxstb | I'm not sure what I claimed I was... |
| 12:16:39 | GodEater_ | well there's one large, and two mediums |
| 12:16:48 | linuxstb | I guess I'm a medium then. |
| 12:16:53 | pondlife | And I'm not a large.. |
| 12:16:55 | GodEater_ | I've grabbed the XL already |
| 12:17:29 | pondlife | Well, if I don't get a shirt, no worries - I'll hopefully make it to DevCon2008. |
| 12:17:29 | linuxstb | Are there mugs as well? |
| 12:17:33 | GodEater_ | yep |
| 12:17:41 | pondlife | What size mugs? :) |
| 12:17:45 | GodEater_ | um |
| 12:17:46 | linuxstb | I'm not that bothered about a T-shirt either, but I like mugs... |
| 12:17:49 | GodEater_ | mug sized ;) |
| 12:17:51 | pondlife | I'm a small shirt but a big mug |
| 12:18:11 | pondlife | Big enough for dunking is all that matters. |
| 12:18:22 | GodEater_ | they're quite narrow |
| 12:18:23 | GodEater_ | but tall |
| 12:18:38 | GodEater_ | so long as you eat bourbons you'll be fine |
| 12:18:40 | pondlife | Hmm, might need to use Ginger Nuts, rather than Chocolate Digestives. |
| 12:18:42 | GodEater_ | I wouldn't try a digestive |
| 12:18:56 | GodEater_ | ginger nuts would probably go too |
| 12:19:10 | pondlife | Might get wedged, resulting in seepage and breakup. |
| 12:19:15 | GodEater_ | nothing worse |
| 12:19:21 | GodEater_ | well, there is |
| 12:19:28 | pondlife | Waste of tea AND biscuit. |
| 12:19:42 | pondlife | GodEater: Yes, genocide etc.. |
| 12:19:43 | linuxstb | BTW, have we agreed on a venue and time? |
| 12:19:43 | GodEater_ | a friend of mine made himself a coffee and my house an mistook the Bulgar Wheat in the cupboard for brown sugar |
| 12:19:52 | GodEater_ | same venue, same time |
| 12:19:57 | GodEater_ | makes it easiest for all |
| 12:20:02 | pondlife | Time? |
| 12:20:09 | GodEater_ | anytime after 6 :) |
| 12:20:11 | linuxstb | And hopefully same table... |
| 12:20:18 | pondlife | OK, I'll be 7-ish I expect |
| 12:20:20 | GodEater_ | I'll throw people off it if necessary |
| 12:20:27 | GodEater_ | over the balcony |
| 12:20:29 | linuxstb | Or turn up at 11am to keep it warm... |
| 12:20:36 | GodEater_ | hahaha |
| 12:20:39 | pondlife | lol |
| 12:20:54 | GodEater_ | wouldn't be much conversation coming out of me by 6pm if I got there at 11 |
| 12:21:01 | GodEater_ | I'd be lucky to still be conscious |
| 12:22:25 | scorche | GodEater_: did you guys get enough shirts? |
| 12:22:34 | pondlife | About 8 years ago I did a birthday all day pub crawl.. we managed 22 pubs plus 1 curry house from 11-to-11. |
| 12:22:45 | pondlife | I *never* want to repeat that experience. |
| 12:23:02 | GodEater_ | scorche: there are three left after I nabbed mine |
| 12:23:27 | GodEater_ | pondlife: I've often thought of attempting either the Monopoly board or circle line pub crawl |
| 12:23:30 | GodEater_ | and then come to my senses |
| 12:23:43 | scorche | alright..just making sure...i keep forgetting to mail bagder about my 2 extra shirts |
| 12:24:00 | pondlife | I can't remember even going into 2 of the pubs, but everyone assures me I was there. |
| 12:24:01 | JdGordon | scorche: you got 2 extras? |
| 12:24:21 | scorche | yup, but i need to talk to bagder about them before i do anything |
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| 12:24:53 | scorche | and one mug with a hairline fracture on the handle |
| 12:25:01 | scorche | (had a few last miniute cancellations |
| 12:25:03 | scorche | ) |
| 12:25:18 | scorche | ugh, i cant type.. |
| 12:25:27 | midkay | we noticed! |
| 12:25:36 | pondlife | Hah, living dangerously with the cracked handle and the hot black coffee. |
| 12:25:41 | JdGordon | ahahaa |
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| 12:30:57 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I don't understand your post to the dev list. Are you saying you like the idea of maintainers, but you don't want a list of them? |
| 12:31:38 | JdGordon | umm... i wrote the reply in 2 sittings and probbably flipped my view :p |
| 12:31:51 | JdGordon | i dont know, i like the idea but dont think it really needs to be formal |
| 12:32:01 | JdGordon | unless you want to bring extra ppl in |
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| 12:33:10 | pondlife | Being a maintainer doesn't compell you to work on stuff, does it? |
| 12:33:16 | linuxstb | I can't see how it can work informally - IMO you need to know which bits are currently in need of a maintainer. So the list is for people to say "I'm willing to actively maintain this bit of Rockbox". |
| 12:33:33 | linuxstb | pondlife: That's the point... |
| 12:33:41 | JdGordon | it doesnt? |
| 12:33:56 | JdGordon | then why would you be the maintainer of the section? |
| 12:34:09 | pondlife | I wouldn't, then. |
| 12:34:23 | scorche | i think he meant that the point was for them to be compelled to work on stuff... |
| 12:34:24 | pondlife | Can't offer enough time to stay on top of it. |
| 12:34:27 | JdGordon | you... anyone i mean |
| 12:34:28 | linuxstb | But obviously the reverse isn't true - you don't have to name yourself as maintainer in order to work on something. |
| 12:34:41 | pondlife | Obviously! |
| 12:34:57 | pondlife | I like the idea "Rockbox is fun" over any other. |
| 12:35:13 | JdGordon | I would like to be able to assign patches/bugs to people on FS with the hope they either commit/fix it or pass it on to someone else though |
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| 12:35:57 | linuxstb | I think it all depends if enough people commit themselves to maintaining things. If no-one wants to do that, then it's not really a worthwhile idea. |
| 12:36:59 | pondlife | Yes, and it could be unfair and even put people off if not handled carefully. |
| 12:37:04 | safetydan | What would it mean to maintain something like a codec? Just keep it in sync with upstream? |
| 12:37:34 | linuxstb | safetydan: Yes, just keep it working and investigate any reported bugs. |
| 12:37:46 | linuxstb | So for most codecs, it would be almost no work. |
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| 12:39:10 | * | JdGordon brb |
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| 12:45:07 | Nico_P | pondlife: I think you're taking it as too formal. IMO it should be taken as an organisation plan |
| 12:45:47 | pondlife | That's what I'd prefer. |
| 12:45:54 | Nico_P | tha im isn't to force the maintainers to work on their area |
| 12:46:01 | Nico_P | *the aim |
| 12:46:14 | pondlife | No, but I was concerned that others might think it was that. |
| 12:46:40 | Nico_P | the advantage is that it will clearly highlight which part of rockbox lack maintaining |
| 12:46:55 | pondlife | Playback! |
| 12:47:07 | Nico_P | for example :) |
| 12:47:17 | * | safetydan takes an easy one and volunteers to maintain Speex :) |
| 12:48:28 | * | Nico_P informs safetydan that there are three open bugs concerning speex :) |
| 12:48:55 | safetydan | Nico_P, darn :( |
| 12:49:15 | JdGordon | haha |
| 12:50:16 | Nico_P | it's not much compared to the 43 of music playback though |
| 12:50:32 | pondlife | Yes, and those playback bugs aren't easy ones either! |
| 12:50:55 | JdGordon | at least they can all be closed as out of date when the new buffering goes in.... |
| 12:50:59 | JdGordon | hopefully :p |
| 12:51:08 | * | pondlife has a custom search looking for "easy playback bugs"... |
| 12:51:24 | pondlife | JdGordon: Many of them, yes! |
| 12:51:32 | pondlife | To be replace by NO NEW ONES!! |
| 12:51:41 | JdGordon | thats the plan... |
| 12:52:06 | * | Nico_P feels the pressure |
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| 12:52:19 | * | amiconn has some doubts re the second part of the plan |
| 12:52:21 | pondlife | Nico_P: No pressure, enjoy your holiday |
| 12:53:02 | pondlife | Well, as long as the code ends up structure and commented nicely then it should at least be possible to fix a bug without generating more. |
| 12:53:16 | pondlife | s/structure/structured |
| 12:53:52 | JdGordon | is the yes/no screen broken for anyone else? |
| 12:54:09 | pondlife | The confirmation screen? |
| 12:54:28 | JdGordon | yes |
| 12:54:34 | pondlife | Seems ok here... on the sim. |
| 12:54:45 | JdGordon | hmm... looks like the build jhMikeS sent me was broken |
| 12:54:52 | JdGordon | works fine roloing to my build |
| 12:55:05 | JdGordon | ... wierd :p |
| 12:55:28 | * | Nico_P had an idea while working on checkwps yesterday... rockbox's first test suite :D |
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| 13:00:36 | JdGordon | do you think we can close 7424? the last comment says he will report back with the files that causes the db to crash 11 days ago |
| 13:01:48 | Nico_P | maybe ping him before closing ? |
| 13:03:01 | pondlife | I would put a note on, but leave it open. |
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| 13:03:27 | pondlife | It may be that a particular file is causing a problem, if he can find it there may be a fix required. |
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| 13:10:53 | JdGordon | any objections to adding the src filename to the "Copying...." and "Moving..." splashes? |
| 13:11:43 | GodEater | only if you add the dst too |
| 13:11:49 | GodEater | otherwise it'll be confusing |
| 13:11:56 | JdGordon | why? |
| 13:12:07 | GodEater | I would find it so |
| 13:12:12 | JdGordon | I want to add it more to show that its still working and hasnt crashed more than being actually useful |
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| 13:13:48 | JdGordon | adding the dest would mean doing a proper screen for it, instead of just using the splash widget |
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| 13:15:27 | JdGordon | Nico_P: have you seen 7441? |
| 13:16:24 | safetydan | JdGordon, there's a patch for that already |
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| 13:17:03 | JdGordon | safetydan: patch for which? 7441 or the copy/move screen? |
| 13:17:11 | safetydan | JdGordon, copy/move |
| 13:17:16 | JdGordon | number? |
| 13:17:29 | safetydan | oh, no wait. I'm thinking of the progress bar while deleting patch |
| 13:17:53 | safetydan | FS #6310 which is probably way out of date |
| 13:18:15 | JdGordon | ah, yeah I tihnk thats the one i saw last night and got me tining about this |
| 13:18:45 | JdGordon | yep, thats the one |
| 13:19:43 | Nico_P | JdGordon: oh yeah I wanted to take a closer look at it but then forgot |
| 13:19:51 | Nico_P | (FS #7441) |
| 13:20:23 | JdGordon | adding the filename to the splash is much simpler code than adding a infinite scroll bar thing |
| 13:21:09 | * | amiconn thinks that it's unnecessary to add anything to the splashes |
| 13:21:35 | JdGordon | it is, but there really is no way to know if its crashed, or guess how much is left to copy |
| 13:21:49 | amiconn | If you want to be sure that it didn't crash, rather work on stability so it doesn't crash |
| 13:21:50 | JdGordon | the filename would fix that |
| 13:22:37 | amiconn | The filename wouldn't tell you how much is left to copy |
| 13:22:52 | JdGordon | http://www.pastebin.ca/630654 is my massivly bloated patch.... |
| 13:23:04 | Nico_P | JdGordon: he uses unrealistic values for N (the number of cond cases): 80, 75... who uses that much cond cases in a WPS ? |
| 13:23:08 | JdGordon | no, but it would give you a guess as to where in the list of files to copy/move its up to |
| 13:23:20 | amiconn | how? |
| 13:23:23 | JdGordon | Nico_P: not I.. but he does have a oint |
| 13:23:42 | amiconn | Recursive copy/move goes in directory order, not alphanumerical or whatever |
| 13:23:48 | Nico_P | JdGordon: well I'm not sure I get what his point his |
| 13:23:54 | Nico_P | is |
| 13:24:06 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 13:24:19 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, well, its still nicer to show some activity on the screen |
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| 13:27:55 | Siltaar | Hello JdGordon, I just read some IRC archive about a pb you had with the simulator... 'fatal: No I/O port permissions' |
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| 13:28:15 | Siltaar | Did you finally find something to fix it ? |
| 13:28:26 | * | JdGordon thinks... |
| 13:28:44 | JdGordon | running the sim under the wrong account? |
| 13:28:59 | JdGordon | or misconfigured sdl or something? |
| 13:29:11 | JdGordon | I probably reinstalled after that error |
| 13:29:43 | safetydan | JdGordon, disk activity light doesn't give you a clue that the copy and paste hasn't failed? Or do some targets not have one of those? |
| 13:29:59 | JdGordon | both |
| 13:30:13 | JdGordon | if its on the whole time there is no way to know what its doing |
| 13:30:28 | Siltaar | wrong account... it can be smth like that... strange school configuration (AD, auxiliary NFS...) |
| 13:31:33 | * | Siltaar did a 2GO file copy from microSD card to flash drive of a Sansa on friday... |
| 13:32:02 | JdGordon | how long did that take? |
| 13:32:20 | JdGordon | and it didnt crash/panic at all?! |
| 13:36:04 | * | JdGordon wonders why sansapatcher cant find my e200 |
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| 13:37:46 | Siltaar | Everythings goes well, it takes me 3 or 4 minutes |
| 13:38:09 | Siltaar | it took me |
| 13:39:55 | Siltaar | with a Révision : 13864 |
| 13:40:05 | Siltaar | Auteur de la dernière modification : jdgordonRévision de la dernière modification : 13863Date de la dernière modification: 2007-07-12 11:58:54 +0200 (jeu, 12 jui 2007) |
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| 13:44:00 | * | moos spots some french :) |
| 13:46:04 | Siltaar | I have a e250 so... |
| 13:47:01 | PaulJam | The german language update seems to be incomplete: there are many lines starting with ### and also most of the new voice strings are empty or english. and "found" is not a german word. |
| 13:47:08 | Siltaar | it was only about 350 .mp3 files |
| 13:47:51 | moos | PaulJam: I was looking on it but JdGordon commited it :) |
| 13:48:47 | * | JdGordon proves why we need a proper lang maintainer... |
| 13:49:17 | Siltaar | JdGordon: JdGordon wonders why sansapatcher cant find my e200 −−> You did set usb mode to MSC in the original firmware ? |
| 13:49:39 | JdGordon | Siltaar: yeah, it seems ubuntu disconnected it after i manually unmounted it |
| 13:50:00 | JdGordon | pondlife: whats the story with the keyclick patch? |
| 13:51:50 | PaulJam | moos: since you are working on the geman .lang file, i have a little request: what do you think of translating "now playing" with "Aktuelle Wiedergabe" instead of "Spielt gerade" |
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| 13:52:34 | markun | moos: why didn't you tell me you speak german ;) |
| 13:52:51 | moos | PaulJam: I was working on just for folow rockbox rules, otherwises I'm a french native speaker and no deutsch for me |
| 13:53:03 | moos | markun: I didn't know I speak it :) |
| 13:53:11 | PaulJam | oh ok |
| 13:53:16 | markun | hidden talents |
| 13:53:21 | moos | hehe :) |
| 13:54:02 | pondlife | JdGordon: I like it, but it probably needs to be a seperate config option. I just cheekily reused the skip beep for now. |
| 13:54:17 | JdGordon | finish it so it can be commited? |
| 13:54:38 | pondlife | Yes, if nobody objects to the concept! |
| 13:55:01 | Nick_Brackley | JdGordon: I will check which files are breaking the database when I get some time and get back to you |
| 13:55:01 | * | JdGordon wants to get more obscure patches in so mine can go in also :D |
| 13:55:08 | JdGordon | ok cool :) |
| 13:56:17 | moos | PaulJam: if you are deutsch speaker just provide us a patch and we'll commit it |
| 13:56:41 | pondlife | JdGordon: p.s. Pop it under my name if you want |
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| 14:50:16 | GodEater | does anyone know why only read_line is available via the plugin api and not fast_readline (which purports to be optimised) ? |
| 14:50:39 | JdGordon | because noone has added it yet |
| 14:52:05 | GodEater | ah - I thought there might have been a reason other than that ;) |
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| 15:06:27 | thomasg | short question: I'm charging my X5 via power-cable at moment. pressing "on" shortly turns the backlight on/off, pressing it long boots the iAudio-firmware. is there a possibility to boot rockbox while charging? |
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| 15:11:43 | Arathis | amiconn: any success with your possible freeze fix yesterday? |
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| 15:49:07 | Siltaar | so... my solution about SDL fatal: No I/O port permission... |
| 15:49:26 | Siltaar | remove source based installation |
| 15:49:45 | Siltaar | and call admin to install the proper paquages... |
| 15:49:48 | Siltaar | it works ! |
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| 15:56:53 | amiconn | rrrrmf! |
| 15:57:49 | chrisjs169 | if I wanted to add a setting to firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c, how would I go about doing that? |
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| 16:01:04 | Arathis | amiconn: o.O? |
| 16:03:24 | Velocity | hi all |
| 16:05:36 | amiconn | Arathis: My test (with some further modifications compared to yesterday) ran for 1 hour 46 minutes. Then I got a data abort in set_cpu_frequency() - which reappeared several times after reboot :( |
| 16:06:00 | Arathis | :( |
| 16:06:08 | Velocity | i've done the german translation added to svn today, and since there are some mistakes i've done a newer version and loaded it onto my server (http://home.arcor.de/t-c-schladt/deutsch_new.lang) |
| 16:06:27 | * | Arathis hopes for a solution cause he's on a 6h trailride on friday ... |
| 16:06:27 | Velocity | could somone please add it to svn? |
| 16:06:56 | linuxstb | chrisjs169: Look at how the scrolling settings are done - e.g. scroll_delay |
| 16:07:24 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb: ok |
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| 16:09:36 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb: sorry, i should have been more clear - i'm trying to do something like FS5899, a value that can be changed via config.cfg. FS5899 showed it used global_settings.listxpos, but in firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c, global_settings isn't defined |
| 16:10:47 | amiconn | Yes, because firmware code must not touch apps variables |
| 16:11:11 | chrisjs169 | ok, so how would i go about doing something like that? |
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| 16:11:41 | amiconn | Look at how contrast, screen flip, foreground & background colour etc are handled |
| 16:11:54 | chrisjs169 | ok |
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| 16:14:06 | Siltaar | is there a way to have a plugin waiting passively a certain amount of time in a plugin ? |
| 16:14:52 | linuxstb | rb->sleep() |
| 16:15:06 | linuxstb | Or do you want a button press to interrupt it? |
| 16:16:01 | Siltaar | nop, I want not to saturate the queue when enqueueing many sounds via talk_file |
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| 16:16:15 | Siltaar | but sleep, is it a newly added function in the API ? |
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| 16:17:02 | GodEater | hell no |
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| 16:18:31 | Siltaar | else linuxstb, I have an "installation" pb... My talking sudoku needs some files to work (animals sounds...). I have free sounds, and currently I install them into .rockbox/rocks/sudoku in order to have it clean |
| 16:18:51 | Siltaar | so.. I wonder how to make the installation process automatic |
| 16:20:46 | linuxstb | You should probably distribute them separately as a zip file, with the zip file containing the .rockbox/rockbox/sudoku/ directory structure. |
| 16:20:59 | amiconn | Talking sudoku would be a great chance to take voice to the next level and implement a long-standing idea related to langv2 |
| 16:22:20 | amiconn | A segmented voice file with one segment per "client" (first client being the core, talking plugins as subsequent clients) |
| 16:23:22 | amiconn | A talking plugin would swap in the necessary at startup, i.e. when the disk is still spinning. No further spinups while the plugin is running (on hdd targets) |
| 16:23:37 | amiconn | *The necessary segment... |
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| 16:26:07 | Siltaar | Maybe the GsoC that aims to embed eSpeak into Rockbox will make this good old idea obsolete ? |
| 16:27:02 | markun | Siltaar: actually he's using flite and not espeak |
| 16:27:44 | Siltaar | markun ok |
| 16:27:54 | Siltaar | currently, the worse thing about sudoku is that the numbers are images ! |
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| 16:28:31 | Siltaar | it would be so easier to adapt one plugin for every targets if we had vectorial graphics |
| 16:30:00 | Siltaar | I did developpe an alternative view for the sudoku adapted to small screens, but it put high the number of images to handle to 4 for each target... I have small numbers, bigs numbers, small animals heads and big animal heads... |
| 16:30:23 | GodEater | Febs: Wow. Gmail is even really bad at threading - there's nothing I can pick out of the email headers on that message that indicates it's in reply to linuxstb's suggestion. |
| 16:31:36 | Febs | It shows up in linuxstb's thread in Thunderbird. |
| 16:31:37 | Siltaar | to finish... small animal heads on smalls black and white screens would not be usable... |
| 16:32:03 | Siltaar | but I can keep the sounds |
| 16:32:17 | linuxstb | GodEater: And here - http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-07/ |
| 16:33:00 | GodEater | Febs: I wasn't saying I didn't believe you :) |
| 16:33:23 | Febs | :) |
| 16:33:30 | GodEater | I was expressing surprise at how bad gmail turns out to be at showing that - I've thought of Gmail as a pretty accomplished email client for a while now |
| 16:33:46 | GodEater | clearly it's not very good at list traffic |
| 16:33:57 | linuxstb | GodEater: Maybe gmail is just being really good at threading - somehow it knew it wasn't a genuine follow-up... |
| 16:34:22 | GodEater | linuxstb: you could argue that ;) |
| 16:34:32 | GodEater | I believe it does all it's threading based on Subject though |
| 16:34:34 | GodEater | which is not ideal |
| 16:36:26 | linuxstb | Siltaar: The general approach in Rockbox is to do things at compile-time where possible, and not runtime. Hence the preference for simple bitmapped fonts and graphics. |
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| 16:44:05 | chrisjs169 | amiconn: I still can't figure it out - foreground color is fg_color, which is in firmware/drivers/lcd-16bit.c, but I can't figure out how it's defined |
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| 16:44:42 | Hammer89 | I heard that SanDisk released new firmware for the e200... Is that true? And if so... is it still compatible with rockbox? |
| 16:46:21 | linuxstb | chrisjs169: Look at scroll_delay... |
| 16:46:42 | linuxstb | It's a local variable set in lcd-16bit.c, and is set via the function lcd_scroll_delay() which is called from the settings code in apps/ |
| 16:46:53 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb: ok |
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| 17:14:45 | Nico_P | did someone commit Velocity's german lang file ? |
| 17:15:01 | Nico_P | or start working on it maybe |
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| 17:15:44 | PaulJam | he posted an update here 70 minutes ago. |
| 17:15:55 | Nico_P | yeah I'm talking about that |
| 17:16:36 | Nico_P | man, why do they ALL use windows line endings ?? |
| 17:16:51 | linuxstb | Because they all use Windows? |
| 17:17:11 | Nico_P | hehe :) |
| 17:17:31 | Nico_P | but even when using windows, there are ways to save files with unix line endings but no |
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| 17:17:47 | linuxstb | Does anyone understand why "*:" needs to be first in the lang files - I thought the rules were matched from first to last. |
| 17:17:48 | [[bam]] | hello |
| 17:18:13 | Nico_P | linuxstb: the answer most probably lies in genlang |
| 17:18:40 | * | linuxstb looks towards a non-existent Bagder |
| 17:18:42 | markun | hi [[bam]] |
| 17:18:59 | [[bam]] | hi again |
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| 17:19:53 | [[bam]] | so i grabbed the bitstream cyberbit font |
| 17:20:26 | [[bam]] | it works perfectly −− at least for my files. |
| 17:21:32 | * | GodEater assumes he's missed something |
| 17:21:44 | pixelma | linuxstb: I believe there even is a bugreport for that in the tracker |
| 17:21:45 | markun | [[bam]]: which size are you using? |
| 17:22:19 | [[bam]] | i've converted it to 12,14,16, and 18. all of them are good |
| 17:22:35 | pixelma | linuxstb: FS #6652 IIUC |
| 17:22:49 | Nico_P | pixelma: this reminds me... what's the status of the langv2 cleanup ? |
| 17:23:05 | markun | nice. Is the license free enough that we could include the converted font with rockbox? |
| 17:23:52 | [[bam]] | forgot to mention, there IS a slight alignment error (1 to 2 pixels) but it makes the font look quite cute |
| 17:23:55 | [[bam]] | hehe |
| 17:24:11 | [[bam]] | AFAIK it's completely free. |
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| 17:26:46 | markun | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitstream_Cyberbit |
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| 17:26:59 | pixelma | Nico_P: it hasn't been synced for a while... it was finished (I think) against the svn it was last synced to - of course it could always need some other pair of eyes |
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| 17:27:13 | [[bam]] | correction : free for non-commercial use |
| 17:27:15 | markun | I don't think "freeware for non-commercial uses" is compatible with the GPL, is it? |
| 17:27:34 | markun | is NOT |
| 17:27:37 | pixelma | Nico_P: just answered your question the moment your connection dropped... |
| 17:27:41 | markun | ah, damn :) |
| 17:27:47 | Nico_P | pixelma: I'll go read the log |
| 17:28:27 | Nico_P | pixelma: ok, so is there anything still holding it up ? |
| 17:28:39 | [[bam]] | ping |
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| 17:29:09 | [[bam]] | yeah, that's it. |
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| 17:29:11 | markun | [[bam]]: but we could probably make it available as a separate download |
| 17:29:31 | [[bam]] | but we can still tell people to convert it manually ;) |
| 17:29:33 | [[bam]] | now, the second one. |
| 17:29:35 | pixelma | Nico_P: not sure about all the small details myself, the best info you can find is in the patch tracker I'd say |
| 17:29:41 | Nico_P | ok |
| 17:29:46 | [[bam]] | Sazanami gothic |
| 17:29:56 | pixelma | Nico_P: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6574 |
| 17:30:24 | [[bam]] | made in japan, and is a sourceforge project |
| 17:30:27 | linuxstb | markun: No, it's not. But there's no legal reason preventing us distributing it IIUC, although personally I would prefer we stuck with 100% free fonts. |
| 17:30:29 | Nico_P | markun: , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=bam: what about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts ? |
| 17:30:35 | Nico_P | oops |
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| 17:30:57 | markun | :) |
| 17:31:01 | amiconn | Siltaar: The tts GSoC project won't make the idea of segmented voice files obsolete. There are targets which won't be able to use realtime tts |
| 17:32:00 | [[bam]] | unfortunately the page language is 99% japanese written in kana/kanji and i'm a noob in that field.. although a sourceforge project usually is GPL, i presume?. |
| 17:32:31 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 17:32:37 | thomasg | short question: I'm charging my X5 via power-cable at moment. pressing "on" shortly turns the backlight on/off, pressing it long boots the iAudio-firmware. is there a possibility to boot rockbox while charging? |
| 17:32:45 | amiconn | Another crash, prefetch abort this tim e:( |
| 17:32:54 | linuxstb | [[bam]]: Sourceforge accepts projects with many different open source licenses, not just GPL. |
| 17:33:02 | PaulJam | linuxstb: but wouldn't converting to .fnt be against their license? (No Modifications.) |
| 17:33:47 | linuxstb | PaulJam: It would depend on the exact text of the license - i.e. if they allow conversion to a different format. |
| 17:34:14 | linuxstb | But IIUC, if the license doesn't grant you a particular right, then you don't have it... |
| 17:38:27 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I don't really understand the "license controversy" part in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_fonts |
| 17:39:01 | Nico_P | does it mean we couldn't add this font to the RB distrib archives ? |
| 17:39:01 | [[bam]] | hmm.. en.wikipedia.org won't open here. strange. |
| 17:39:55 | Nico_P | [[bam]]: http://www.press.redhat.com/2007/05/09/liberation-fonts/ |
| 17:40:14 | [[bam]] | btw, sazanami mincho, sazanami gothic's twin sister, IS included in rockbox-fonts package. |
| 17:40:51 | linuxstb | Nico_P: My understanding is that fonts are simply data used by Rockbox, rather than software libraries linked to Rockbox - so fonts can be under any license. |
| 17:41:14 | linuxstb | (assuming we have a right to redistribute those fonts in bdf format) |
| 17:41:29 | linuxstb | (or .fnt..) |
| 17:42:15 | pixelma | thomasg: have you tried holding "rec" while inserting the charger? It /seems/ to work here with my M5 - at least it shows "charger connected" in the statusbar and I can continue to use Rockbox but I'm not sure whether it works the same on X5 with charging through the subpack but it should (works similar on other targets as well) |
| 17:43:30 | thomasg | well, if rockbox is running and I plug the cradle in it works (means rockbox stays running). but not if the player is turned off |
| 17:46:10 | [[bam]] | nice. we CAN redist them. |
| 17:47:56 | GodEater | if I understand correctly, the read_line() function takes lines straight off the disk - is this correct ? |
| 17:48:20 | [[bam]] | btw, Nico_P, linuxstb, PaulJam, (and any others who don't know), me & markun were discussing about UNICODE free fonts. |
| 17:48:39 | linuxstb | GodEater: Yes - you can read the function for yourself in apps/misc.c |
| 17:49:02 | GodEater | this seems inefficient to me - wouldn't it be better to read the whole file at once to avoid disk spinups ? |
| 17:49:29 | linuxstb | The disk shouldn't spin-down - there's a timeout of a few seconds. |
| 17:49:50 | linuxstb | But if you know your file is small, then yes, you could read it all at once into a memory buffer, then parse it. |
| 17:49:58 | GodEater | but for a small file wouldn't it be better to just read the whole thing in one go, close the fd, and then do the splitting in memory |
| 17:50:02 | GodEater | hehe |
| 17:50:03 | GodEater | jinx |
| 17:50:05 | linuxstb | Yes. ;) |
| 17:50:18 | GodEater | right - I shall ignore read_line then |
| 17:50:20 | GodEater | :) |
| 17:50:23 | linuxstb | Also, you have more memory to spare in a plugin - you wouldn't want to do that in the core code. |
| 17:50:34 | GodEater | possibly so =/ |
| 17:50:45 | linuxstb | But remember Archos devices only have 32KB for plugins. |
| 17:50:53 | * | GodEater 's file that he is reading is a maximum of MAX_PATH * 10 in size |
| 17:51:05 | GodEater | that'll still fit easily in 32kb |
| 17:51:13 | linuxstb | Then just declare a static buffer in your .c file with that size. |
| 17:51:13 | pixelma | thomasg: don't know if that's possible then... |
| 17:51:21 | GodEater | linuxstb: I did |
| 17:51:36 | linuxstb | GodEater: Then why are you asking me ;) |
| 17:51:51 | GodEater | because I want to make sure I'm not missing something obvious |
| 17:52:14 | GodEater | if you say I'm not then I'm a happy person |
| 17:52:18 | linuxstb | OK, you're not. (or we both are...) |
| 17:52:46 | GodEater | good enough for me :) |
| 17:53:11 | GodEater | I've totally ripped off your mpeg_malloc code btw for other stuff in the plugin :) |
| 17:53:44 | * | GodEater like's mpegplayer's definition of mpeg_free() |
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| 17:54:45 | linuxstb | (void)ptr; ? |
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| 17:54:54 | GodEater | yep |
| 17:55:04 | thomasg | pixelma, k, thanks anyway |
| 17:55:30 | * | GodEater notices the time and has to leave |
| 17:56:30 | thomasg | I have another problem: when I try to play a video (the elephants dream sample) using the mediaplayerplugin rockbox crashes with "*PANIC* Stkov main" is this known? |
| 17:56:39 | Nico_P | omg almost the whole of english.lang fails to apply in the langv2 cleanup patch |
| 17:57:44 | markun | Nico_P: what I usually do it revert my tree back to the date of the patch, apply the patch, "svn up" and then fix the conflicts |
| 17:58:02 | XavierGr | hmm strange the charging mod for my H115 didn't work :\ |
| 17:58:03 | markun | s/it/is/ |
| 17:58:18 | Nico_P | markun: that's probably a much more sensible way of doing it :) |
| 17:58:19 | XavierGr | I had to remove it because I couldn't charge the player |
| 17:58:35 | Doomed | hardware mod XavierGr? |
| 17:59:06 | XavierGr | yes, charging mod on USB for H100 iriver models |
| 17:59:15 | Doomed | ah |
| 17:59:20 | PaulJam | thomasg: try if it works if you create an empty file .rockbox/rocks/mpegplayer.cfg |
| 17:59:27 | pixelma | Nico_P: for english.lang that's the only way I could find too (what markun described) |
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| 17:59:47 | Nico_P | pixelma: you did a sync ? |
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| 18:00:10 | Nico_P | or you mean for the ones you did in the past ? |
| 18:00:52 | pixelma | for the other files working with the .rej was ok - yes, in the past |
| 18:02:17 | Nico_P | wow I'm not even sure there were conflicts while doing svn up :o |
| 18:02:45 | Nico_P | oh yes there were... too much dreamin here |
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| 18:06:32 | thomasg | PaulJam, in my .rockbox/rocks dir are only some $modulename.rock files, but no mpegplayer.rock or something like this |
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| 18:08:45 | PaulJam | thomasg: the .rock file is in the viwers directory, but the .cfg file is stored in the rocks directory. on Hxxx players which have the same problems it helps to create the empty .cfg file to prevent the panic. |
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| 18:11:13 | thomasg | PaulJam, not here, in the rocks directory are only .rock files and not a single .cfg |
| 18:11:39 | thomasg | but in the other thing you're right: the mpegplayer.rock is in the viewers-dir |
| 18:13:16 | PaulJam | you should create the mpegplayer.cfg file manually. (it is not there because rockbox crashes when it tries to create it) |
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| 18:26:35 | Nico_P | pixelma: I think I have a sync :) |
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| 18:32:51 | markun | PaulJam: any idea why it crashes? |
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| 18:38:18 | Nico_P | pixelma: any reason why it shouldn't be committed ? |
| 18:38:33 | PaulJam | markun: i have no idea. could the change in revision 13625 have caused it? i think it started around that time. |
| 18:39:05 | thomasg | PaulJam, ok, I created a empty mpegplayer.cfg in .rockbox/rocks/ (via touch /mountpoint/.rockbox/rocks/mpegplayer.cfg) but it still crashes |
| 18:39:58 | PaulJam | thomasg: then you propably have to wait until someone fixes it. sorry. |
| 18:40:06 | thomasg | k |
| 18:40:15 | thomasg | and a last problem :) |
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| 18:41:33 | linuxstb | markun: It seems that mpegplayer is very tight on stack usage - it crashes when creating the .cfg file. |
| 18:41:57 | linuxstb | So a recent commit to the core increased the main stack usage, and broke mpegplayer... I think it only affects Coldfire targets. |
| 18:42:37 | thomasg | I use the h10of-theme (from here: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=160x128x16 ). It works and in the menu it looks good - but at the WPS I only have the theme background. the output is not centered like on the screenshot and I also have the text-like statusbar, not the graphical one |
| 18:43:27 | thomasg | I also tried to load the h10of.wps manually, but this doesnt work, too |
| 18:43:28 | pixelma | Nico_P: I'm not sure... it's desired that it should be as perfect as possible (because it breaks all the lang files and voice...) so it should be tested well before a commit |
| 18:43:56 | Nico_P | pixelma: yeah I'm not going to rush into committing :) just curious |
| 18:44:51 | PaulJam | thomasg: this Theme/WPS doesn't work with the official build. it requires patches/an unsupported build |
| 18:44:55 | linuxstb | thomasg: It sounds like the wps files is either broken, or uses unofficial WPS features. In either case, Rockbox will reject it and just display the standard. |
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| 18:46:47 | thomasg | PaulJam, ok, but I have this problem with all other themes I tested, like ZenPod, or BlackGlass |
| 18:47:12 | linuxstb | Try ones which advertise themselves as working with an official build. |
| 18:48:26 | pixelma | Nico_P: and it would be good if target specific voice file creation could be ready at the same time (nls already made a patch for it IIRC, but I think it'll also need a better way of distributing those) - but I'm guessing here a bit too |
| 18:48:59 | thomasg | ok, seems all pixel-based themes are working and all picture-based arent |
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| 19:07:47 | pixelma | Nico_P: thanks for the sync :) Did you keep an eye on the "x5,m5" description? (Because I'm reminded of that when looking at the recently commited german language update...) |
| 19:08:02 | Nico_P | pixelma: absolutely not |
| 19:08:31 | Nico_P | pixelma: btw, is the german lang update ok ? |
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| 19:09:48 | pixelma | well, the "x5:" is not (because then it won't appear for M% which has the same key pad) ... I'm just skimming through the diff just now |
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| 19:10:03 | pixelma | s/M%/M5 |
| 19:12:40 | pixelma | looks like there are some unnecessary spaces in combined words... :/ |
| 19:13:31 | bluebrother | in the updated german lang file? |
| 19:14:09 | pixelma | yes, e.g. "Listenbeschleunigungs Geschwindigkeit" |
| 19:14:15 | bluebrother | urgh. |
| 19:14:34 | bluebrother | I always wondered if it makes sense someone commiting a lang file in a language he doesn't understand. |
| 19:14:38 | Domonoky | that sounds like google translator :-) |
| 19:14:57 | bluebrother | at least if there are developers around speaking that language :o |
| 19:15:29 | bluebrother | Domonoky: I'm progressing with rbutilqt ;-) |
| 19:15:31 | * | pixelma hates Deppenleerzeichen... |
| 19:15:37 | * | bluebrother too |
| 19:15:47 | Domonoky | bluebrother: nice :-) |
| 19:16:13 | bluebrother | downloading works. If I get unzipping to work I'm going to spread the current state. |
| 19:16:34 | bluebrother | in the hope someone more fluently in c++ corrects my Anfängerfehler ;-) |
| 19:16:58 | Domonoky | bluebrother: i will take a look when you make it aviable :-) |
| 19:17:25 | bluebrother | I hope you like the small changes I made to the UI |
| 19:17:52 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 19:19:08 | pixelma | Nico_P: though the M5/X5 issue is probably present in english.lang too (still) |
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| 19:23:15 | pixelma | and "Aufnahmeverzeichnis leeren" sounds dangerous... |
| 19:23:33 | bluebrother | indeed. |
| 19:24:06 | bluebrother | how about having a wiki page that lists the languages of devs? So before committing you could ask someone with that native language for checking |
| 19:24:16 | Domonoky | "Aufnahmepfad zurücksetzten" would be better.. |
| 19:24:16 | bluebrother | or maybe add the information to the IrcNicks page? |
| 19:26:14 | pixelma | I think it would be good if that's to be found somewhere, too |
| 19:26:32 | * | n1s looks around for a perl and makefile wizard... |
| 19:26:43 | PaulJam | pixelma: the "Aufnahmeverzeichnis leeren" was a misunderstanding it was changed in the second commit. |
| 19:28:09 | pixelma | ok, right. Looked at both diffs and didn't see the other one there |
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| 19:37:39 | Domonoky | bluebrother: how do you do the unzipping in qt ? |
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| 19:43:20 | obo | Domonoky: http://osdab.sourceforge.net/snippets/zip.php?mode=advanced is pretty good |
| 19:43:27 | bluebrother | wooo :) It worked |
| 19:43:41 | bluebrother | obo: Domonoky: that's the code I used. |
| 19:44:05 | bluebrother | time for some food now. I hope I can release something this evening ;-) |
| 19:44:22 | * | obo goes to read the logs |
| 19:44:28 | bluebrother | currently only installing a build works and a lot of checks are missing. But it works. |
| 19:44:40 | bluebrother | (and me learned quite a bit about c++ and Qt ;-) |
| 19:44:44 | Domonoky | bluebrother: nice.. |
| 19:45:07 | Domonoky | bluebrother: what about settings.. logging of installing and such stuff ? |
| 19:45:42 | Nico_P | Domonoky: why Qt may I ask ? |
| 19:46:17 | Domonoky | Nico_P: because its better than wx.. :-) and bluebrother writes it at the moment :-) |
| 19:46:25 | Nico_P | are you planning on rewriting rbutil for Qt ? |
| 19:46:52 | * | Domonoky is only planning on helping, bluebrother is rewriting :-) |
| 19:48:10 | Nico_P | nice :) |
| 19:50:36 | Nico_P | n1s: seen my langv2 cleanup sync ? |
| 19:51:18 | n1s | Nico_P: no, I jsut synced it myself yesterday :-( |
| 19:51:33 | Nico_P | oh :( |
| 19:51:58 | Nico_P | well at least you'll be able to diff the diffs to make sure I didn't miss anyhting |
| 19:52:34 | n1s | Nico_P: are you any good with makefiles and/or pearl? |
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| 19:52:45 | Nico_P | not really no |
| 19:52:56 | Nico_P | especially not perl |
| 19:53:13 | Nico_P | is it for the remaining issues that are blocking the cleanup ? |
| 19:54:37 | n1s | Nico_P: yes, the major blocking issue is that buildzip.pl doesn't get the list of features and send it to genlang, for the built in strings this is doen in the apps/Makefile but the .lng files are built by buildzip |
| 19:54:48 | n1s | unfortunately my pearl skills == 0 |
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| 19:56:51 | Nico_P | n1s: same here unfortunately |
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| 19:58:27 | n1s | I hope Bagder will come back and fix it since he invented the whole features.txt mechanism... |
| 19:58:28 | linuxstb | What exactly needs to be done? |
| 19:59:02 | Nico_P | n1s: and what is features.txt and its role ? |
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| 20:00:17 | n1s | linuxstb: if you look at the patch and what is added to apps/Makefile (parsing of the features.txt file and passing it to genlang as a list of features) the same needs to be done in buildzip.pl when building the .lng files. |
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| 20:01:09 | n1s | Nico_P: it controls which strings are included based on defines in the various config*.h files |
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| 20:02:04 | linuxstb | Is features.txt in SVN? I can see a reference to it in apps/FILES, but can't find features.txt... |
| 20:02:08 | n1s | for example every target that defines HAVE_RECORDING will have the "recording" feature and will thus include all the recording related strings |
| 20:02:49 | n1s | linuxstb: no, it's part of the patch, I added it to FILES when updating it a while ago |
| 20:02:51 | Nico_P | linuxstb: no, it's not |
| 20:03:09 | linuxstb | So it shouldn't be in FILES yet? |
| 20:03:20 | n1s | I thought it would be committed semi-soon by then... and FILES is forgotten pretty often :-) |
| 20:03:41 | linuxstb | Where is the patch? |
| 20:03:48 | n1s | linuxstb: well, I asked Bagder and he thought it was ok but maybe it's confusing |
| 20:03:57 | n1s | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6574 |
| 20:04:03 | linuxstb | I don't think it's worth removing, but it was confusing... |
| 20:04:36 | linuxstb | Ouch, v20... |
| 20:04:50 | beefsalad | I have an archos jukebox studio 20 running rockbox v2.5, the way I have my mp3s layed out on the filesystem is Artist/Album/Song.mp3, is there a way to make rockbox randomly move between the Artist and Album directories, or am I going to have to drop all of the files down a directory to do that? |
| 20:05:47 | n1s | beefsalad: you can make it advance to a random folder but you need to update to a more recent version |
| 20:06:45 | n1s | Nico_P: did you sort the newly added strings when you did your sync? |
| 20:07:03 | Nico_P | n1s: no |
| 20:08:18 | linuxstb | n1s: It looks straightforward to do. The Makefile generates $(OBJDIR)/features which the the processed version of apps/features.txt. So buildzip just needs to read that file, and the Makefile adapted. I'll have a quick look now - will you be around for the next 20 minutes or so? |
| 20:08:21 | beefsalad | n1s: n1s gracias |
| 20:08:57 | n1s | linuxstb: i hope so, will read the logs tomorrow if I can't |
| 20:10:27 | linuxstb | n1s: What does buildzip.pl need to do based on features.txt? |
| 20:11:02 | linuxstb | Ah, buildzip.pl calls genlang, so that call to genlang needs the features? |
| 20:11:36 | n1s | linuxstb: yes, it needs the same list of features that the Makefile sends to genlang |
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| 20:14:49 | linuxstb | n1s: OK, it looks like buildzip.pl takes a -t parameter, and then just passes that parameter onto genlang. So buildzip itself doesn't need modifying, we just need to change the Makefile to pass the features as part of the -t option to buildzip. |
| 20:15:40 | n1s | linuxstb: ah, yes that seems like a better solution :-) |
| 20:22:31 | n1s | linuxstb: well, gtg will check back later tonight, thanks for looking into this |
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| 20:24:37 | Nico_P | linuxstb: you might want to look at FS #7215 and FS #6652 |
| 20:25:41 | * | Nico_P is off |
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| 20:30:24 | linuxstb | n1s: Including button.h in features.txt isn't nice - it adds some C prototypes to features. Maybe that #define needs to be put in config.h to be cleaner. |
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| 20:35:34 | * | amiconn just won an auction on a 2nd gen ipod :) |
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| 20:37:44 | bluebrother | Domonoky, obo: I have a first version here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/ |
| 20:38:03 | bluebrother | don't miss to read the issues.txt. There's still a lot of work left. |
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| 20:38:15 | bluebrother | and I have no idea how bad my code is ;-) |
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| 20:41:07 | obo | hehe, it was the first thing I read ;) |
| 20:41:21 | * | Domonoky will take a look :-) |
| 20:44:00 | * | bluebrother is distracted by a phone call for a while |
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| 20:48:32 | * | obo now has a freshly installed current build via rbutilqt4 |
| 20:48:42 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Does it need qt3 or will it work with qt4? |
| 20:48:51 | linuxstb | (the Makefile refers to qt 3.3) |
| 20:49:02 | * | linuxstb needs to install qt |
| 20:51:37 | ionyx | is there a rockbox release for iPod nano 2nd gen? |
| 20:52:27 | Doomed | no, it says it on the homepage |
| 20:52:44 | ionyx | that's what I thought... |
| 20:52:46 | ionyx | thanx |
| 20:52:52 | bluebrother | linuxstb: qt4 only |
| 20:53:34 | ionyx | ydnj ' |
| 20:53:39 | ionyx | srry |
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| 20:54:07 | ionyx | is it being work'd on? |
| 20:54:53 | linuxstb | bluebrother: The makefile refers to a file called "/usr/lib/qt-3.3/mkspecs/default/qmake.conf" |
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| 20:57:29 | linuxstb | Hmm, my Debian unstable won't install libqt4-dev anyway - unmet dependencies... |
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| 21:03:55 | Rayvin | Hello. I've a question and have checked out the FAQ and couldn't find an answer for it. Up until last night rockbox showed all the folders on my iPOD fifth gen video properly. But last night the .rockbox, iPOD control, Found.0000 folders just disappeared. *My PC still shows them as there. I can access them from the PC but Rockbox acts as if they aren't there. |
| 21:04:38 | linuxstb | You've probably changed the "file view" option |
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| 21:05:06 | linuxstb | If it's set to anything but "all" it will hide hidden/system folders - e.g. .rockbox and iPod_Control |
| 21:05:31 | Rayvin | Hang on one sec and I'll check that. File view would be under settings? |
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| 21:06:57 | Rayvin | Ok. All I see are "Sort case-sensitive" "Sort Directories" "Sort Files" |
| 21:07:20 | linuxstb | n1s: I _think_ this is OK - linuxstb.diff">http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/linuxstb.diff - you need to revert apps/Makefile back to the SVN version, then apply my patch. |
| 21:08:17 | linuxstb | Rayvin: It's the "Show Files" option. |
| 21:08:27 | Rayvin | Ok...Hold on then. |
| 21:08:31 | linuxstb | (in the File View menu) |
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| 21:09:03 | Rayvin | Thank you!!! It works now. |
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| 21:36:19 | * | bluebrother back |
| 21:37:13 | bluebrother | linuxstb: seems the top level makefile is left from an old (erroneous) run of qmake |
| 21:37:50 | bluebrother | but that file only triggers the src folders Makefile, so it doesn't matter |
| 21:39:34 | linuxstb | OK. But I need to kick Debian into installing libqt4-dev first... |
| 21:40:13 | * | bluebrother awaits the first complaints ;-) |
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| 21:43:13 | * | Domonoky is building it.. |
| 21:43:26 | bluebrother | building on windows? |
| 21:43:52 | Domonoky | thats the problem :-) |
| 21:44:13 | bluebrother | hmm, never tried that. But I installed Qt4 the last time I booted windows ;-) |
| 21:44:17 | Domonoky | i had to change a few paths in the files, and it now compiles, but doesnt link.. hm.. |
| 21:44:20 | Domonoky | :-) |
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| 21:44:38 | bluebrother | hmm, shouldn't a simply "qmake" run fix that itself? |
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| 21:55:09 | Domonoky | bluebrother: do i have to compile the zlib seperatly ? |
| 21:56:04 | obo | zlib is compiled into the QT4 libs, it should include it automagically |
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| 21:57:12 | Domonoky | now it worked :-) |
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| 21:58:02 | bluebrother | nice. |
| 21:59:44 | Domonoky | bluebrother: ui is nice.. not much changes.. :-) |
| 21:59:58 | bluebrother | no, only slight changes. |
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| 22:04:07 | PaulJam | i just had an idea for a WPS feature request and was wondering if it is reasonable or too esotheric: What i'd like to see would be to have the remaining-, elapsed- and total songtime tags as a conditional with <shorterthan 10 min|between 10 and 60 min|longer than 60 min>. this would solve some alignment issues in my wps with long songs. |
| 22:08:11 | bluebrother | nice. Found a solution for the rbutil.ini in pwd issue. |
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| 22:09:10 | Domonoky | the problem with the paths for rbutil.ini and other things, is that they are different depending on the os.. |
| 22:09:59 | bluebrother | hmm. It should read rbutil.ini from the folder you ran the binary. |
| 22:10:48 | Domonoky | on windows and macosX thats correct.. but on linux, there is a configuration dir.. |
| 22:11:13 | bluebrother | ah, you mean the system wide configuration? Yeah, that's in ~/.config |
| 22:11:16 | Domonoky | so rbutilWx checks different locations for the ini file. |
| 22:12:10 | bluebrother | ok, first patch is out. rbutil.ini should now always be in the binary folder. |
| 22:12:13 | Domonoky | also the path for temporäry things should be different on different plattforms. |
| 22:12:31 | bluebrother | yeah −− I haven't bothered about that yet. |
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| 22:12:54 | Domonoky | jeah. no problem..things can evolve :-) |
| 22:13:26 | bluebrother | well, I'm quite curious if there is enough interest to evolve it ;-) |
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| 22:14:38 | Domonoky | there were many people interested in a qt version.. so i think so :-) |
| 22:15:44 | amiconn | Putting an .ini with user configuration into the directory of the binary is _not_ correct behaviour on windows |
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| 22:17:46 | bluebrother | that's not the user configuration in that folder |
| 22:18:01 | bluebrother | that's the system configuration (for rbutil) |
| 22:18:06 | amiconn | aha |
| 22:18:23 | bluebrother | but for a portable installation it also looks in that folder (and will prefer that if one is present) |
| 22:18:46 | bluebrother | in Qt you can simply create a QSettings object and Qt will put it in the standard location depending on the OS |
| 22:18:59 | * | amiconn hates programs which don't obey the system rules on windows |
| 22:19:32 | amiconn | A program that can't be run as non-admin without tricks is a bad program imo |
| 22:19:40 | bluebrother | well, I do so too. But IMO the system configuration (which only changes with new program versions) should be ok there. |
| 22:20:00 | bluebrother | don't you need admin rights for ipodpatcher anyway? |
| 22:20:08 | amiconn | (unless there are special requirements for admin rights, like direct hardware access) |
| 22:20:23 | amiconn | Yes, but then you need them only if you want to use the ipodpatcher function |
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| 22:22:25 | bluebrother | but we could include that ini file into the binary using the resource file mechanism. Might be a good idea anyway ... |
| 22:23:17 | Domonoky | bluebrother: but then you cant change it easly.. like changing an url.. |
| 22:23:40 | bluebrother | well, you just need to recompile ;-) |
| 22:23:55 | bluebrother | and you could always check for a file in the binary folder first |
| 22:24:09 | bluebrother | but currently it doesn't work if you miss the ini file. |
| 22:25:58 | Domonoky | i would leave this for the time, and change it when rbutilQt is nearly ready.. :-) |
| 22:26:52 | Domonoky | bluebrother: with the zlib you used, would it be possible to track all unzipped files ? |
| 22:26:54 | linuxstb | Isn't the idea that rbutil downloads rbutil.ini from the server - so users don't need to update rbutil so frequently? |
| 22:27:13 | bluebrother | that's an option too. |
| 22:27:21 | Domonoky | thats even better.. |
| 22:27:24 | bluebrother | Domonoky: you can easily create a list of the files in the zip |
| 22:27:33 | linuxstb | But maybe now we have lots of download mirrors, it's not such an issue. |
| 22:27:42 | bluebrother | so putting that in the log file should be sufficient, right? |
| 22:27:49 | Domonoky | bluebrother: yes.. |
| 22:28:03 | amiconn | Downloading the .ini requires it to put it into the user profile |
| 22:28:13 | Domonoky | bluebrother: thats for uninstalling, so you can only remove installed file, and no user created files.. |
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| 22:33:04 | tucoz | bluebrother, hi. What do i need to be able to build your tool? |
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| 22:33:29 | bluebrother | you need qt4. Run qmake and then a simple make |
| 22:33:39 | tucoz | aha. thanks |
| 22:34:03 | bluebrother | make sure to run the qt4 qmake if you have both installed (ran into using the wrong version myself ;-) |
| 22:35:40 | tucoz | now it looks like it's building |
| 22:37:43 | n1s | linuxstb: thanks, I will take a closer look tomorrow, now sleep |
| 22:37:49 | tucoz | Domonoky, i said a few days ago that rbutil could follow ui standards more closely. i take that back. the version i referred to was an old one. i like the looks of the currrent one. |
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| 22:38:17 | tucoz | nice and simple |
| 22:39:11 | tucoz | bluebrother, looks nice. and i guess qt is nicer to work in than wxwindows |
| 22:39:52 | bluebrother | at least I learned the basics of Qt ;-) |
| 22:41:43 | tucoz | maybe the tool could be i18n'ized |
| 22:42:14 | tucoz | using some scheme, such as the one kde uses |
| 22:42:32 | Domonoky | bluebrother: one thing you have to look at, is error handling.. in wx we could just make a MessageWindow with an error text, and if you get back to the main loop you get all error messages in one.. |
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| 22:43:01 | bluebrother | hmm. |
| 22:43:09 | Domonoky | so the topmost error message was in the message box, and all deeper errors were in a details box |
| 22:43:27 | bluebrother | tucoz: Qt already provides functions for i18n. I played around with it very shortly |
| 22:43:43 | bluebrother | it's quite easy to do. |
| 22:44:01 | Domonoky | so you get something like "Installation failed" and in details you get the error messages from eg. ipodpatcher.. |
| 22:44:06 | bluebrother | Domonoky: do we want to collect all error messages? |
| 22:44:30 | Domonoky | l18n is easly in all those Gui toolkit.. :-) |
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| 22:44:43 | Domonoky | bluebrother: would be nice.. |
| 22:44:46 | * | DerPapst waves :) |
| 22:44:51 | bluebrother | I somewhat liked that detailed view, but isn't it a bit too ... technical? |
| 22:45:15 | Domonoky | but it is good, when user reports an error.. |
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| 22:45:23 | Domonoky | you have more details.. |
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| 22:46:00 | bluebrother | hmm. That's right. |
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| 22:46:48 | Drk_Guy | Hi guys! |
| 22:46:55 | DerPapst | hey guy |
| 22:47:10 | Drk_Guy | Is there any rockbox implementation for a SEMC Walkman phone? |
| 22:47:29 | DerPapst | no |
| 22:47:38 | Drk_Guy | Rats |
| 22:47:42 | DerPapst | only daps no phones |
| 22:47:51 | Drk_Guy | I want my SEMC mobile equipped with it |
| 22:48:04 | bluebrother | then go port it ;-) |
| 22:48:23 | Drk_Guy | I don't have the techy specs of the W300 phone |
| 22:48:32 | Drk_Guy | But the source code is at hand |
| 22:48:53 | DerPapst | why do you want to run a digital audio player firmware on a phone? rockbox lacks any phone specific code |
| 22:49:26 | Drk_Guy | Walkman is certainly... |
| 22:49:32 | Drk_Guy | Boring with the time |
| 22:49:42 | DerPapst | you have the source code of the OF from the phone? |
| 22:50:01 | Drk_Guy | And even more if i can't use OGG or at least AACv2 |
| 22:50:15 | Drk_Guy | I have the FW files of it |
| 22:50:23 | Drk_Guy | For both, normal files and sys files |
| 22:50:50 | linuxstb | You mean the binaries? |
| 22:50:58 | DerPapst | ah... i thought yo have the source code |
| 22:51:01 | Drk_Guy | Yep |
| 22:51:16 | Drk_Guy | But unluckily, no source-code |
| 22:52:06 | DerPapst | well.. even if you had the source code i doubt any core dev would like to see rockbox on a phone... |
| 22:52:12 | sarixe | a general question: how close are we to a final release? |
| 22:52:32 | linuxstb | DerPapst: I'm sure no-one would object if someone ported Rockbox to a phone... |
| 22:52:37 | DerPapst | so −−> <−− |
| 22:52:47 | linuxstb | sarixe: "final" means all developers are dead... |
| 22:52:50 | PaulJam | final release? am i missing something? |
| 22:52:56 | sarixe | well |
| 22:52:59 | sarixe | i mean, stable |
| 22:53:09 | sarixe | not final |
| 22:53:10 | linuxstb | You mean a first release (for the swcodec targets) ? |
| 22:53:28 | bluebrother | depends on if there will be a conclusion to make a release :) |
| 22:53:32 | PaulJam | the stable release for Hxxx will be in may. |
| 22:53:37 | * | DerPapst simply can't imagine rockbox on a phone :P |
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| 22:53:47 | DerPapst | maybe as an app but not as firmware |
| 22:54:03 | sarixe | well, something along the lines of 2.5 for archos, but a stable version of current development |
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| 22:54:48 | linuxstb | sarixe: I don't think any devs would consider the code anywhere near release quality. And the playback code is about to be completely rewritten... |
| 22:54:58 | sarixe | o |
| 22:55:29 | bluebrother | is this the 3rd rewrite of the playback engine? Or even more? :o |
| 22:55:32 | DerPapst | who's rewriting it? Nico_P? |
| 22:55:46 | amiconn | Well, even the release 2.5 for archos is known to have bugs |
| 22:55:47 | bluebrother | afaik |
| 22:56:21 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Nico_P and JdGordon are working on rewriting the file buffering code. I'm sure others will help with the other parts. The problem is that no-one understands the current code... |
| 22:56:22 | amiconn | It's the first rewrite of the swcodec playback from ground up |
| 22:57:39 | DerPapst | i knew they were working on MoB... didn't know that they wanted to rewrite the playback engine as well. |
| 22:58:13 | DerPapst | what's so bad at the current one? except that noone understands it. |
| 22:58:15 | Slasheri | other changes to the playback code have been mainly restructuring it and making it even more complex so it's beoynd everyones knowledge |
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| 22:58:49 | bluebrother | oh, is it also planned to transform the playback code to some macro language? :P |
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| 22:59:11 | linuxstb | Slasheri: I know how you feel - jhMikeS "restructured" mpegplayer so I don't recognise it anymore... But I'm sure it's better for it. |
| 22:59:24 | Slasheri | :) |
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| 22:59:35 | GNUtoo | hello does an alternative firmware exist for a Gmini XS 202? like archopen or is it suported by any experimental rockbox port?...i don't know any other....do that exist? |
| 22:59:52 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Don't give him ideas... |
| 22:59:53 | bluebrother | Rockbox only supports the players listed on the front page |
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| 23:00:03 | bluebrother | linuxstb: damn, right ... |
| 23:00:18 | bluebrother | someone rewrite that macro hell ... |
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| 23:00:39 | GNUtoo | bluebrother, ok and is there any other firmware than rockbox that could support such player? |
| 23:00:53 | DerPapst | macro language? |
| 23:01:28 | webguest25 | is it possible to customize the menu ? |
| 23:01:44 | webguest25 | possibly byusing a text file |
| 23:02:06 | Llorean | webguest25: No. Not without compiling a custom build of Rockbox. |
| 23:02:09 | linuxstb | webguest25: The source code is in text files - you need to modify the source and recompile. |
| 23:02:17 | PaulJam | no, you can only change the txtcolour, icons and background in the menus |
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| 23:03:13 | linuxstb | webguest25: How would you change the menus? |
| 23:03:23 | webguest25 | reorganize or rename |
| 23:03:40 | webguest25 | similar to evolution x or a menu.ini |
| 23:04:00 | webguest25 | im a rook to rockbox |
| 23:04:23 | linuxstb | I just mean that if you don't like the current layout, what's wrong? |
| 23:04:39 | webguest25 | nothings wrong |
| 23:04:58 | webguest25 | just want it to be personally customized |
| 23:05:39 | GNUtoo | no one is working on the gimini port at this moment? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GminiPort |
| 23:06:06 | webguest25 | thats the point of all this(besides expanded capabilities) right? |
| 23:06:25 | Bagder | GNUtoo: that's officially dead and removed by now |
| 23:06:45 | DerPapst | webguest25: there was an attemp from JdGordon to realize something similar but noone liked it (with some exceptions ;) ) |
| 23:06:50 | linuxstb | webguest25: The only way you can do that is to learn how to compile Rockbox yourself, and learn how to modify the source code to rearrange things. |
| 23:07:09 | bluebrother | webguest25: we do not want to support customizable menus |
| 23:07:20 | bluebrother | thus you can't easily do this. |
| 23:08:21 | webguest25 | i c |
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| 23:09:10 | webguest25 | i just thought that since it seems to be linux based then customizable menus would not be too hard to achieve |
| 23:09:19 | Llorean | It's not linux based, at all. |
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| 23:10:16 | webguest25 | i didnt lie when i said i was a rook to rockbox |
| 23:10:22 | webguest25 | lol |
| 23:11:39 | bluebrother | well, how about having a look at the website then? ;-) |
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| 23:13:34 | webguest25 | did that |
| 23:13:43 | webguest25 | running rockbox now |
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| 23:15:39 | webguest25 | played with the files, and came up with nothing |
| 23:15:42 | robin0800 | webguest25,i can sort of see the point of say hiding the database menue if you don't use it |
| 23:15:54 | webguest25 | yes |
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| 23:16:13 | webguest25 | or organizing them according to how i see them fit |
| 23:16:33 | DerPapst | li |
| 23:16:43 | webguest25 | frequently used close to top |
| 23:16:43 | DerPapst | ^ ignore |
| 23:16:49 | webguest25 | subcatagories |
| 23:17:00 | webguest25 | etc |
| 23:17:09 | bluebrother | you can always set the screen to file browser |
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| 23:17:20 | bluebrother | and won't need to see the main menu most of the time |
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| 23:18:02 | DerPapst | we shuld reduce the rockbox menu to the filebrowser only :P |
| 23:18:07 | DerPapst | *should |
| 23:19:27 | DerPapst | the settings menu could be replaced by a filder structire with single setting gonfig files. plugins can already be launched from the filebrowser... |
| 23:19:35 | robin0800 | bluebrother,i don't think thats any good i need themes and playlist catalog not to mention resume playing |
| 23:19:41 | DerPapst | *folder structure |
| 23:19:45 | Llorean | DerPapst: You're about two weeks too late with suggesting that. :-P |
| 23:20:00 | DerPapst | awww snap ;) |
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| 23:21:57 | someguy | when will a rockbox version be released that works on ipod nano second generation? |
| 23:22:09 | linuxstb | No-one is working on it. |
| 23:22:15 | someguy | awwwwwwwwwwww |
| 23:23:08 | Llorean | someguy: Let me guess: You're not going to work on it either? |
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| 23:23:36 | linuxstb | He's off to work on it now... |
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| 23:23:59 | webguest25 | lol |
| 23:24:47 | bluebrother | robin0800: you don't need the menu for resuming playback |
| 23:24:59 | bluebrother | and you can access the playlist catalog from the wps |
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| 23:25:37 | bluebrother | setting the start screen to file browser doesn't disable the menu. You can still access it ... |
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| 23:28:36 | webguest25 | so unless i know something about the source code and the modification thereof im out of luck ehhhh |
| 23:30:56 | linuxstb | It's not that difficult, and you can do a lot more than just customise the menus if you start to compile Rockbox yourself and tweak the source code. |
| 23:30:57 | webguest25 | okay good talk guys lol |
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| 23:33:37 | DerPapst | Good night everyone |
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| 23:35:52 | Widget | i presume the database part of rockbox is common to all the different hardware players? |
| 23:41:36 | linuxstb | Yes |
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| 23:47:45 | Widget | i'm just trying to stop mine get multiple entries for a single file |
| 23:48:09 | Widget | it seems to be a lot happier if a album is split over multiple directories, rather than a one-dir-per-album approach |
| 23:49:15 | bluebrother | have you checked about deleted files in the pastebin on the player? |
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| 23:55:44 | Widget | pastebin? |
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| 23:55:57 | linuxstb | Recycle Bin |
| 23:56:01 | bluebrother | errr ... recycle bin |
| 23:56:27 | bluebrother | windows likes to put files there, and the database picks them up. |
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| 23:58:49 | Widget | oic |
| 23:58:58 | Widget | no, it hasn't been plugged into windows |
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