| 00:00:10 | BrandoNT | gameboy roms arent being recognized! |
| 00:01:37 | PaulJam | BrandoNT: please be more specific. where/how are they not being recognized |
| 00:02:25 | DerPapst | he can'T find them in the filebrowser |
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| 00:02:36 | DerPapst | the dir where he put them is empty |
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| 00:02:46 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm. There is an appropriate note in fat.c line 604f |
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| 00:02:48 | BrandoNT | FIXED!! THANKS TO DERPAPST |
| 00:02:55 | DerPapst | ^^ |
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| 00:05:16 | BrandoNT | *bowing to DerPapst* |
| 00:05:59 | jhMikeS | yes. I'm guessing the in_use flag is supposed to mark it? |
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| 00:08:20 | amiconn | Two moos in one day... ;) |
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| 00:10:17 | DerPapst | actionscript + php + mysql = endless fun... |
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| 00:10:33 | Kasperle | lies |
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| 00:10:59 | Kasperle | it involves 3 of the most hated web technologies, how can that be fun |
| 00:11:10 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 00:11:17 | * | amiconn only hates one of them |
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| 00:11:32 | * | DerPapst bets that is actioinscript :P |
| 00:11:37 | amiconn | wrong |
| 00:11:40 | DerPapst | o.O |
| 00:11:42 | amiconn | It's mysql |
| 00:11:43 | DerPapst | php? |
| 00:11:45 | DerPapst | ah |
| 00:11:57 | Kasperle | hehe |
| 00:11:59 | DerPapst | what do you prefer instead of it? |
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| 00:12:54 | amiconn | I didn't have to work with any of these myself yet, but judging from our devs at work, I would prefer postgresql |
| 00:13:20 | DerPapst | ah.... |
| 00:13:43 | * | DerPapst has never heard of it |
| 00:13:48 | amiconn | At least it has a well defined single license |
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| 00:14:34 | DerPapst | what do you work? |
| 00:14:41 | amiconn | And performance with large databases/complex queries is better |
| 00:14:48 | amiconn | Sysadmin |
| 00:15:00 | DerPapst | so no codemonkey |
| 00:15:04 | DerPapst | :P |
| 00:15:25 | amiconn | Well, it sometimes involves coding (not much though) |
| 00:15:34 | * | amiconn likes coding |
| 00:15:38 | Kasperle | i recently discovered i hate coding |
| 00:15:46 | DerPapst | i guessed that already ;) |
| 00:15:50 | Kasperle | it's hard, boring and tedious to do it correctly |
| 00:15:57 | DerPapst | ahaha |
| 00:16:27 | DerPapst | amiconn: which company are you working for? |
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| 00:17:09 | JdGordon | Kasperle: depends what your coding |
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| 00:17:13 | JdGordon | and the hard part is the fun |
| 00:17:52 | * | jhMikeS hates coding too but likes the rush when the code runs and so the latter motivates the former |
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| 00:18:18 | Kasperle | JdGordon: i wonder. right now i'm working on a bit that can fail at about every 5th line of code, for which error handling adds at least another 5 each time |
| 00:18:29 | * | amiconn likes when the system does what he wants and hence likes coding |
| 00:18:36 | amiconn | Even if it's sometimes tedious |
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| 00:20:30 | * | jhMikeS never knows how he's going to get anything to work...ever. ususally it all starts with just a blank stare and "I have no idea what I'm going to do". |
| 00:20:45 | * | amiconn wonders what's wrong with the iriver website :/ |
| 00:20:49 | * | DerPapst 's brain hurts from all these php sql and flash stuff |
| 00:21:00 | amiconn | urgh, flash |
| 00:21:24 | DerPapst | actionscript −−> flas |
| 00:21:27 | DerPapst | +h |
| 00:21:33 | * | jhMikeS does at least now the pizza just got here :) |
| 00:21:36 | jhMikeS | *know |
| 00:21:53 | DerPapst | bon apetit |
| 00:22:12 | amiconn | Well, flash itself isn't half bad, but the platform support sucks |
| 00:22:28 | Kasperle | flash is grossly overused on the www |
| 00:22:28 | DerPapst | indeed |
| 00:22:43 | DerPapst | hopefully adobe does a better job on this |
| 00:22:48 | krazykit | flash is an abortion |
| 00:23:00 | krazykit | flash 9 for linux is ludicrously unstable :-/ |
| 00:23:32 | bluebrother | maybe that's the reason for my frequent firefox crashes? |
| 00:23:37 | DerPapst | i bet the adobe guys haven't modified it much after they got it from the macromedia dudes |
| 00:23:37 | krazykit | probably |
| 00:23:42 | amiconn | firefox crashes??? |
| 00:23:45 | Kasperle | i can view flash 7 somewhat reliably through different emulation layers. and then these websites laugh into my face saying "what, you don't have flash 9? download it, FOR FREE, from .... YOU IDIOT" |
| 00:23:50 | DerPapst | zomg!!1 |
| 00:24:33 | krazykit | i think the FOSS flash things are only supporting flash 7 right now, working on 9. it'd be better for them to just open the damn thing and let someone write a proper plugin. |
| 00:24:34 | amiconn | I only had firefox freezes so far, all due to the adobe pdf plugin (but solvable by killing acrord32.exe) |
| 00:24:54 | bluebrother | firefox crashes once in a while here on linux. Usually when I have a bunch of tabs open |
| 00:25:02 | bluebrother | (say, around 30 or so) |
| 00:25:09 | pixelma | my observation is that a flash site at least causes an (imo) unusal increase of ram use of firefox |
| 00:25:11 | amiconn | That's on windows, with 20+ tabs opened all the time |
| 00:25:18 | bluebrother | never had those issues on windows. |
| 00:25:39 | krazykit | i don't use firefox in windows |
| 00:25:44 | bluebrother | unfortunately quite a bunch of sites require flash :/ |
| 00:25:46 | krazykit | k-meleon is far faster |
| 00:25:48 | Kasperle | i once had a runaway flash viewer consume 1.2GB of RAM |
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| 00:25:55 | DerPapst | on my überold laptop some stipd flash ads create about 100% cpu load ^^ |
| 00:26:01 | Kasperle | though it might've been the emulation wrapper's fault ;) |
| 00:26:07 | krazykit | DerPapst, learn the magic of flashblock :D |
| 00:26:10 | PaulJam | for me just opening firefox causes an unusual ram usage :P |
| 00:26:40 | Kasperle | yeah, firefox gets annoyingly slow after a while, when i look it's eaten 300-400 mb of ram |
| 00:26:54 | bluebrother | eclipse is much worse in regards of ram usage |
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| 00:28:25 | amiconn | Just consumes ~110MB of ram here (35 tabs open, and running for more than a week) |
| 00:28:45 | Kasperle | wow. |
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| 00:32:42 | * | DerPapst was working on a simple flash guestbook :) |
| 00:34:04 | Kasperle | :( |
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| 00:34:42 | DerPapst | i'm doing a traineeship (<−−"Praktikum") with the main stress on flash and sql |
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| 00:35:10 | DerPapst | i know nothing about php and sql :D |
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| 00:35:36 | DerPapst | the "result" (100% stolen) http://217.235.59.12/tests/Gaestebuch/gb.swf |
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| 00:37:52 | DerPapst | ^ should be fash 6 compartible |
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| 00:40:53 | pixelma | then no flash? :P |
| 00:41:10 | bluebrother | why flash for a simple guestbook? |
| 00:41:39 | * | bluebrother wrote a simple guestbook in php some years ago |
| 00:41:53 | DerPapst | this is just as an example on how to access a sql database with actionscript |
| 00:43:24 | DerPapst | have to so something similar in my traineeship once it starts. |
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| 00:43:50 | DerPapst | and i don't want to go there knowing nothing ;) |
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| 00:46:44 | * | bluebrother wonders if there is a html version of the gpl available for download or only embedded in the fsf pages |
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| 00:47:26 | * | DerPapst bets google knows the answer |
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| 00:49:47 | bluebrother | qtopia.net has a gpl.html which is in fact the text version surrounded by <pre> tags :( |
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| 00:53:00 | Kasperle | bluebrother: maybe you can render the LaTeX or docbook document to html? |
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| 01:09:12 | saratoga | regarding the comments made earlier today about MP3 verses Vorbis performance, i've noticed that with WMA as well |
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| 01:09:38 | saratoga | WMA seems largely insensitive to bitrate, while MP3 performance scales very closely with it |
| 01:09:57 | saratoga | anyone familar enough with MAD to suggest a reason? |
| 01:12:00 | amiconn | Does it? |
| 01:12:35 | amiconn | jhMikeS: do you know whether PP has a store buffer? |
| 01:13:26 | * | amiconn had the impression that mp3 is rather insensitive to bitrate |
| 01:13:32 | amiconn | On coldfire, that is |
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| 01:16:38 | jhMikeS | amiconn: store buffer for (not familiar with the term) |
| 01:17:09 | amiconn | For decoupled writing of data (write pipeline) |
| 01:17:51 | jhMikeS | ah...yes it indeed seems to if you're referring to the cache |
| 01:18:25 | amiconn | No, independent of the cache |
| 01:19:34 | jhMikeS | whatever it has, it definitely bursts data to ram once it's filled up (seen as long horizontal spans of the display being updated suddenly) |
| 01:19:50 | DerPapst | Good night everyone :) |
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| 01:20:15 | amiconn | hmm |
| 01:20:52 | amiconn | I wonder whether the write buffer (if it exists) is enabled for the register area(s), and is the cause for the strange problems I am observing |
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| 01:22:19 | amiconn | Read-modify-write sems to cure them, but the bits I am masking are always zero, so it doesn't make much sense, unless the read-modify-write forces the chip to flush the queue and hence synchronise the operation |
| 01:24:51 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I do see that done in emu dumps |
| 01:26:16 | jhMikeS | are you talking about CPU/COP_INT_EN bits and such? |
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| 01:28:25 | amiconn | no |
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| 01:29:08 | jhMikeS | you said register areas so I'm figuring that included |
| 01:29:38 | t94xr | is there a site that that can help me load rockbox on a 1st gen nano? |
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| 01:31:53 | amiconn | Maybe included, but not the area I am looking at atm |
| 01:32:38 | jhMikeS | I'm wondering if it's for mutexing purposes actually |
| 01:33:45 | saratoga | on ARM at least, doubling the MP3 bitrate seems to about half the decode speed |
| 01:34:35 | * | amiconn wonders if we ever figure out how to do ide dma on PP502x |
| 01:34:52 | krylon | saratoga: fixed my issue |
| 01:34:53 | amiconn | The product brief states it supports UDMA4 |
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| 01:35:43 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I'm not talking about atomic r-m-w either |
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| 01:38:10 | pixelma | t94xr: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml select your player and the desired manual (pdf or online) |
| 01:39:01 | pixelma | it has installation instructions too |
| 01:42:32 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I dunno why they'd cache those control regs. I just see a situation where reading marks a register busy for a certain number of clocks or until a write cycle happens. |
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| 01:44:32 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What I mean is that with a store buffer, write(reg1); write(reg2) might not be executed in order |
| 01:44:56 | Arathis | amiconn: got the same error again. just another address: Undefined instruction at 00058D40 |
| 01:45:22 | amiconn | But a sequence like write(reg1); read(reg2); write(reg2) is always executed in order because the second write has to wait for the result of the read |
| 01:45:49 | amiconn | Arathis: Yes, it also crashed here... |
| 01:46:02 | jhMikeS | hmmm...possible. will a nop in betteen have an effect? |
| 01:46:18 | amiconn | But I have some further changes meanwhile |
| 01:46:55 | amiconn | A nop (or a streak of nops) might or might not have an effect, depending on how long that streak is and what the other core does meanwhile |
| 01:47:37 | jhMikeS | does any read at all make it ok and then just assigning it? |
| 01:48:18 | amiconn | I'll try that, but I will probably have to use asm volatile for the read, otherwise gcc will optimise it away |
| 01:49:00 | jhMikeS | hmmm...do the inl/outl macros use volatile? they probably should at that. |
| 01:49:11 | amiconn | They do |
| 01:49:54 | amiconn | The question is whether one could rely on a statement like inl(blah) not being optimised away |
| 01:50:01 | * | amiconn doesn't really trust gcc here |
| 01:50:43 | jhMikeS | It seems to be ok with that one |
| 01:54:28 | Arathis | amiconn: the freeze was after about 1,5h here. good I started a bat-bench ;) |
| 01:55:00 | amiconn | I got >4 hours of stable runtime in a later test |
| 01:55:09 | amiconn | Stopped that test for further experiments |
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| 01:56:33 | Arathis | wow. that's nearly half the battery-lifetime of the H10/20gb with RB :) |
| 01:57:20 | amiconn | I just started another test which will hopefully run all night |
| 01:57:50 | lukasm | i installed the arm-gcc tool chain on my debian etch system, added it to the $path. but make fails saying arm-elf-gcc : command not found. |
| 01:57:53 | lukasm | where the prob ? |
| 01:57:55 | * | jhMikeS prepares some more goats |
| 01:57:56 | amiconn | USB connected for charging (I got a crash before with power connected, hence that shouldn't invalidate the test) |
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| 01:58:38 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I just implemented the dummy read instead of and'ing/or'ing for real: |
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| 01:58:57 | amiconn | inl(0x600060a0); outl(unknown2, 0x600060a0); |
| 01:59:12 | amiconn | The inl isn't optimised away |
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| 02:02:27 | amiconn | hmmm |
| 02:03:24 | amiconn | If this theory is correct, it might explain a lot.... |
| 02:03:44 | krazykit | lukasm, did you log out and log back in? |
| 02:03:58 | jhMikeS | weird that there'd a write-behind on that sort of thing |
| 02:12:23 | lukasm | krazykit: yes i did. but i had to log-in 2times to get path var set... |
| 02:12:26 | amiconn | Perhaps it's supposed to be disabled for the register area, but isn't on H10? |
| 02:12:50 | amiconn | Remember that I didn't get a crash on ipod mini G1 |
| 02:14:36 | amiconn | It might also be the reason for the complex clock setup routine in the H10 OF |
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| 02:15:26 | amiconn | Perhaps they prefer the write buffer enabled in general for better performance, adding some workarounds where it would cause gotchas? |
| 02:16:07 | * | amiconn would _really_ like to have access to a complete PP datasheet :( |
| 02:16:09 | jhMikeS | would such a thing really help very much? |
| 02:16:39 | amiconn | Well, are the i2s registers located in the register area? |
| 02:16:43 | krazykit | lukasm, does echo $PATH include the directory? |
| 02:16:58 | jhMikeS | if we had that we'd reveal all the secret stuff put in there for the recording industry protection |
| 02:17:12 | lukasm | krazykit: now it does ; ) |
| 02:17:25 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Somehow I doubt that. The datasheet, not the fdk |
| 02:17:40 | krazykit | lukasm, then it should work :P |
| 02:17:53 | jhMikeS | amiconn: afaik. i thought all that qualified as "register area" |
| 02:18:26 | jhMikeS | maybe the fdk hides certain details for that purpose? |
| 02:19:00 | amiconn | I'm quite sure the drm is software only |
| 02:19:35 | amiconn | Maybe using a unique hw identifier, but that's nothing new nor necessary to keep secret |
| 02:19:54 | jhMikeS | I mean, AS3514 has such things to help with DRM but we don't spill that. I just observe that in searching for docs, absence seem to be more common in media applications. |
| 02:20:20 | * | amiconn wonders what a dac has to do with drm |
| 02:20:43 | jhMikeS | whatever they decide it should :p |
| 02:20:55 | amiconn | Well, you can see the crappy recording capabilities as some kind of rec industry protection... |
| 02:21:29 | jhMikeS | that too...and a shame for this player |
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| 02:33:12 | saratoga | amiconn: I believe the AS3514 has all sorts of random stuff stuck on it unrelated to the dac |
| 02:33:30 | saratoga | IIRC the clock and poweroff stuff are accessed via it |
| 02:33:40 | saratoga | at least I think I recall Toni saying something about that ages ago |
| 02:34:51 | jhMikeS | saratoga: it's a mishmash chip. its init needs to be a different than svn currently does it since it's treated right now like a bunch of separate devices. |
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| 02:52:28 | krazykit | saratoga, heh, apparently the wma encoder will play the audio streams of wmv video |
| 02:52:49 | krazykit | saratoga, er, decoder. |
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| 02:54:35 | saratoga | krazykit: yes linuxstb made it that way |
| 02:54:52 | saratoga | apparently it was pretty trivial to do since all WMA files are inside ASF containers anyway |
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| 02:58:36 | krazykit | i see. nifty |
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| 04:00:29 | ACSpike | hello |
| 04:03:55 | iamben | yo |
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| 04:15:10 | jw123 | anyone here with twiki write access? |
| 04:19:33 | ACSpike | are there any manufacturers that are supportive of rockbox or condone its use? |
| 04:20:53 | TiMiD[FD] | jw123: yes |
| 04:24:11 | Battousai | i think either sandisk or iriver donated a couple players |
| 04:24:21 | Battousai | no sheets though |
| 04:25:03 | TiMiD[FD] | iriver ... I don't think so |
| 04:25:17 | Battousai | yeah i think it was probably sandisk |
| 04:25:59 | Battousai | here we go, http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html |
| 04:26:15 | ACSpike | I got the crazy idea to buy an mp3 player today. I'm looking at a sandisk. |
| 04:26:42 | Battousai | rockbox is usable on the e200 (not e200r) |
| 04:27:19 | Battousai | no usb support though, so you need to use the bootloader and original firmware to put stuff on it |
| 04:28:01 | Battousai | which is trivial, plug it into a usb port on your computer while it's off and it'll boot into the original firmware on its own |
| 04:28:14 | Battousai | i don't know how well other players are supported ;) |
| 04:28:43 | ACSpike | you use an e200 series player? |
| 04:28:56 | Battousai | yeah |
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| 04:31:54 | ACSpike | dual boot sounds like a win win |
| 04:32:25 | iamben | Battousai: is it normal that i have to unplug and replug the usb cable after booting the default fw to connect to pc? |
| 04:33:00 | Battousai | i find that it is, when the database needs rebuilding in the original firmware |
| 04:33:11 | Battousai | otherwise it works correctly for me |
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| 04:36:20 | iamben | ahh |
| 04:36:47 | iamben | but that will be every time for me, as the only reason i ever boot the default fw is to transfer files.. |
| 04:38:01 | Battousai | yeah |
| 04:42:02 | saratoga | linuxstb: I've mostly gotten LSP working |
| 04:42:14 | saratoga | theres some minor distortion, but I think its mostly in the noise coding stuff |
| 04:42:20 | saratoga | theres some still some overflows in that area |
| 04:42:24 | saratoga | probably fix them tomorrow |
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| 05:28:35 | ACSpike | night |
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| 05:36:39 | jw123 | TiMiD[FD]: do you have the capability to remove users? |
| 05:37:14 | | Quit kubiixaka ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") |
| 05:40:32 | jw123 | or does anyone here have the ability to remove twiki users? |
| 05:40:49 | scorche | what are you after? |
| 05:43:35 | jw123 | removing me |
| 05:43:50 | jw123 | since no one ever responds to @haxx.de emails |
| 05:44:02 | scorche | haxx.se |
| 05:44:15 | jw123 | yeah, sorry, that's what I meant |
| 05:44:57 | jw123 | twiki@haxx.se was the address |
| 05:45:07 | scorche | why do you need to be removed? |
| 05:45:28 | jw123 | tired of my google results...resume shaping... |
| 05:45:49 | jw123 | as I haven't really did anything for rockbox |
| 05:45:50 | scorche | i dont quite understand you |
| 05:46:44 | jw123 | resumé I mean |
| 05:47:17 | jw123 | all I've done was a basic wps |
| 05:47:51 | jw123 | basically, my twiki page on rockbox comes up on a google search and I don't want it to |
| 05:50:18 | jw123 | is it hard to remove a user from the twiki? |
| 05:50:33 | scorche | only 3 people are able to |
| 05:51:47 | wishes | must be applying for a job at MS if you're scared of them finding your name on open source stuff :D |
| 05:52:03 | jw123 | yeah especially if it wasn't related to coding... |
| 05:52:13 | * | wishes grins |
| 05:52:50 | jw123 | no one else 'googles' theirself? |
| 05:53:03 | wishes | yeah i do, but its mostly stuff about me |
| 05:53:06 | wishes | mostly correct |
| 05:53:06 | scorche | everything on there is either rockbox stuff or not me |
| 05:53:41 | wishes | everything about me is pretty much lug mailing archives :/ |
| 05:53:51 | TiMiD[FD] | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RTCModH1x0 |
| 05:53:56 | TiMiD[FD] | that's nice ! |
| 05:54:06 | jw123 | company I work for does with potential employees; not saying I wanna dissociate myself from rockbox, it's just what I have attached to me now is something I wish not to |
| 05:54:06 | TiMiD[FD] | has everyone her done it ? |
| 05:54:09 | scorche | TiMiD[FD]: still catching up? =) |
| 05:54:19 | TiMiD[FD] | what ? |
| 05:54:38 | wishes | nice |
| 05:54:42 | TiMiD[FD] | "catch up" ? |
| 05:55:07 | wishes | jw123, my boss hires employees based on irrelevant stuff |
| 05:55:34 | * | scorche thinks of a way to explain this without using other slang |
| 05:55:47 | scorche | "getting up to speed"? |
| 05:55:59 | wishes | its fun. the last employee got hired because when asked by "bad guy" 'What do you see yourself as when you look in the mirror ?" (they play good guy bad guy with 2 people in the interview .. my boss being the good guy) |
| 05:56:01 | TiMiD[FD] | no :( |
| 05:56:06 | TiMiD[FD] | I don't get it |
| 05:56:08 | wishes | and she answered "A princess from out of space" |
| 05:56:19 | wishes | she got the job pretty much there :) |
| 05:56:20 | jw123 | lol |
| 05:56:34 | scorche | going back and finding the stuff you missed so that you eventually come back to the present in knowledge? |
| 05:56:42 | wishes | its weird having another female developer though, and shes pretty smart too :) |
| 05:57:09 | TiMiD[FD] | ah I get it half :) |
| 05:57:21 | scorche | half? |
| 05:57:25 | jw123 | lol, if I was a female I'd probably be insulted |
| 05:57:43 | TiMiD[FD] | with your explanation and my english jp dictionnary ... |
| 05:58:08 | wishes | jw123, whys that? |
| 05:58:10 | TiMiD[FD] | but I found this page only this mornig ... |
| 05:58:25 | TiMiD[FD] | already ordered the chips |
| 05:58:44 | jw123 | wishes, you know how sensitive women can be... |
| 05:58:49 | wishes | hah |
| 05:59:08 | wishes | i know guys that put me to shame (im female/developer/sysadmin) |
| 05:59:30 | jw123 | lol |
| 05:59:40 | wishes | theres one guy who just refuses to speak to me |
| 05:59:40 | * | scorche gets out his "offtopic" knife |
| 06:00 |
| 06:00:05 | wishes | hey we were still talking about development ... if i throw in the word "beer" does it become on-topic ? |
| 06:00:18 | jw123 | he's probably scared of you. I love rockbox (to appease scorche) |
| 06:00:25 | scorche | >_> |
| 06:00:48 | wishes | me too :D |
| 06:01:36 | wishes | how can i help out with the project? :) |
| 06:01:58 | TiMiD[FD] | I love rockbox too, it keeps me awake during working hours |
| 06:02:02 | scorche | how would you like to/are able to? |
| 06:02:56 | wishes | ive been dealing with linux soley for about 8-10 years, so i know it pretty well. I can test, i can probably sort out minor stuff, though i freely admit im not a major c/c++ code monkey |
| 06:03:12 | wishes | i have a 60gb ipod video |
| 06:03:24 | TiMiD[FD] | do you know latex ? |
| 06:03:26 | jw123 | "code monkey", that's funny |
| 06:03:59 | scorche | wishes: there is this coming up: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-07/0049.shtml |
| 06:05:15 | wishes | oh that sounds like fun :) |
| 06:05:52 | wishes | what time zone? generic US ? |
| 06:06:34 | scorche | it doesnt really matter =) |
| 06:06:51 | wishes | cool. usually im a day ahead (NZ) |
| 06:14:04 | jw123 | well if one of the "big 3" come...please delete the twiki account pointed to by http://tinyurl.com/2knuqt thanks. |
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| 06:33:01 | XavierGr | TiMiD[FD]: I did the mod just 3 days ago |
| 06:33:08 | XavierGr | I have to say it is perfect |
| 06:33:14 | TiMiD[FD] | ah ! |
| 06:33:17 | TiMiD[FD] | glad to hear it ! |
| 06:33:32 | TiMiD[FD] | I'm a little afraid of frying my iriver |
| 06:33:34 | XavierGr | Now I am waking to the sounds of my H140 every morning (eh I mean afternoon :P) |
| 06:33:41 | TiMiD[FD] | last time I opened it it seemed so small ... |
| 06:34:14 | XavierGr | TiMiD[FD]: it is hard to fry it, believe me, at my first try I installed the chip upside up instead of upside down :\ |
| 06:34:16 | TiMiD[FD] | I would still use my clock |
| 06:34:36 | TiMiD[FD] | well but the solderings on the main board ... |
| 06:35:00 | XavierGr | yeah it is a little bit difficult but with practise it should'nt be a problem |
| 06:35:17 | XavierGr | try to get a small soldering iron |
| 06:35:21 | TiMiD[FD] | oh I almost forgot I don't have an iron pane here |
| 06:35:59 | TiMiD[FD] | -pane |
| 06:36:00 | XavierGr | my previous one made the mod quite difficult to apply, so I bought a smaller one |
| 06:36:27 | TiMiD[FD] | did you get the chips by samples ? |
| 06:36:40 | XavierGr | I just tried the USB charging mod too, but it didn't worked on my H115 at all |
| 06:37:05 | XavierGr | TiMiD[FD]: ah I have to thank bluebrother for that, he got 2 chips as samples and mailed the spare one to me. |
| 06:37:08 | TiMiD[FD] | I registered this morning on their website |
| 06:37:17 | TiMiD[FD] | ah nice :) |
| 06:37:28 | TiMiD[FD] | I used my company name, but put my personnal adress ... |
| 06:38:01 | XavierGr | hehe cool :P |
| 06:38:45 | TiMiD[FD] | I hope I'll receive them :) |
| 06:40:50 | * | amiconn just got up and found the H10 still playing |
| 06:41:02 | amiconn | >4h 30min w/o crash :) |
| 06:42:02 | TiMiD[FD] | you only sleep 4h30 a night ? |
| 06:42:08 | TiMiD[FD] | o_O |
| 06:44:02 | amiconn | sometimes... |
| 06:45:23 | TiMiD[FD] | when I sleep less than 7hours I become associable |
| 06:46:14 | TiMiD[FD] | did you discovered something to stop the PP crashes ? |
| 06:46:49 | XavierGr | TiMiD[FD]: I get that when I sleep less than 12 hours hehe (kidding) |
| 06:47:47 | amiconn | Yes, although I don't understand it completely |
| 06:48:31 | TiMiD[FD] | 8-9 hours is a best, less than 6hours for a long period of time >> anaemia and depression |
| 06:48:34 | amiconn | Well, sleeping rather long one night doesn't make it a problem to sleep only 4 hours the other |
| 06:49:26 | TiMiD[FD] | not sleeping enought reduces your life expectancy |
| 06:50:23 | XavierGr | I have the weirdest sleeping habits, some days I will max out at 12 hours and some days no sleep at all like today |
| 06:51:48 | TiMiD[FD] | that happens ... |
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| 07:49:23 | rigel | so the last month or so of h10 20gb updates have just stopped working intermittently, where i have to press the reset button before my unit will turn on |
| 07:51:02 | TiMiD[FD] | try a fresh build from today, amiconn just said he could run his h10 without crash for 4h30 |
| 07:51:18 | TiMiD[FD] | erm |
| 07:51:26 | TiMiD[FD] | maybe hididn't commited this to svn |
| 07:51:43 | amiconn | No I didn't |
| 07:52:08 | amiconn | I first want linuxstb to test something on his ipod color |
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| 07:55:32 | TiMiD[FD] | ah that's the kind of modifications that could break other targets ... |
| 07:55:43 | amiconn | The H10 is now running for 6 hours w/o crash |
| 07:55:55 | TiMiD[FD] | that seems solved ? |
| 07:56:07 | TiMiD[FD] | is it your best runtime ? |
| 07:56:15 | amiconn | I don't think it will break the color, but I want to get a clue what this register really does |
| 07:56:33 | TiMiD[FD] | the color uses the same cpu ? |
| 07:56:43 | amiconn | yes |
| 07:56:58 | amiconn | And the register is handled the same on all ipods but the minis |
| 07:57:10 | amiconn | Even for the later (PP5021/PP5022) targets |
| 07:57:43 | TiMiD[FD] | so how would testing on an ipod help explaining what the register really does ? |
| 07:57:51 | TiMiD[FD] | (I'm just curious) |
| 07:58:20 | amiconn | So either it's some kind of enable bit(s) which are just handled the same in order to not require ifdefing (in the OF source/ PP fdk, whatever), or they have some real meaning (lcd transfer speed/clock source?) |
| 07:58:48 | amiconn | The color is the only target where bits 30 and 31 of register 0x600060a0 are set to 1 after boot, |
| 07:59:09 | amiconn | and the ipl wiki says it has to do with lcd setup |
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| 08:00:13 | amiconn | So what I want to test on ipod color is: (1) does rockbox work when setting these 2 bits to 0 all the time? (2) *if* it works, does it affect lcd speed? |
| 08:00:27 | rigel | can i install it? |
| 08:00:30 | TiMiD[FD] | ah I see |
| 08:00:37 | rigel | im wondering if its just my battery |
| 08:00:49 | TiMiD[FD] | I thought you were still working on the cpu frequency/voltage control registers |
| 08:00:52 | rigel | but i cant run batt bench to shutdown |
| 08:01:25 | amiconn | TiMiD[FD]: Yes I do. These bits have to be set to 0 during clock switch or the ipod color will crash sooner or later |
| 08:01:39 | TiMiD[FD] | oh ok |
| 08:01:44 | TiMiD[FD] | that's weird then |
| 08:02:12 | amiconn | Well it's not weird when they are some kind of clock select for the lcd controller |
| 08:02:46 | amiconn | PLL output is unstable during reprogramming, so it shouldn't be used to clock anything in that phase |
| 08:03:24 | TiMiD[FD] | fortunately ... I don't put my hands at a level that low :) |
| 08:03:47 | TiMiD[FD] | isn't that frustrating ? I mean to stay for weeks on the same problem |
| 08:04:07 | TiMiD[FD] | if a program I make doesn't work I feel upset so ... |
| 08:04:22 | amiconn | Not if it works in the end |
| 08:05:00 | amiconn | When writing the MMC driver for the Ondios, it took me almost 4 weeks to get the SH1 SPI to do what I want |
| 08:05:04 | TiMiD[FD] | yes when it works you can feel relieved :) |
| 08:05:19 | TiMiD[FD] | SPI ? |
| 08:05:25 | amiconn | Of course not 4 weeks fulltime |
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| 08:06:00 | rigel | whered the pitch control go? |
| 08:06:02 | amiconn | Meh, SCI, Serial Communication Interface |
| 08:07:25 | TiMiD[FD] | the joys of reverse engineering :) |
| 08:07:31 | amiconn | Synchronous and asynchronous serial |
| 08:07:44 | amiconn | No RE on that part, the SH1 datasheet is public |
| 08:08:00 | amiconn | But even public datasheets are sometimes not very precise |
| 08:08:51 | * | amiconn now realises why he confuses SCI and SPI all the time |
| 08:09:28 | amiconn | The MMC supports SPI mode, which is what is used in the Ondios as they are hooked up to the SH1 SCI |
| 08:09:30 | TiMiD[FD] | yeah same as with APIs I'm often obliged to plunge into the code of the function to understand what it does on non-trivial programs |
| 08:09:37 | TiMiD[FD] | writing documentation is an art |
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| 09:17:35 | JessicaIsConfuss | Hello everyone.....I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I installed Rockbox onto my Ipod Mini and it worked fine! But the following day it reverted back to the old Ipod firmware but the rockbox files are still on the ipod harddrive? Help? |
| 09:17:58 | JessicaIsConfuss | Oh and the light doesn't come on now after it reverted |
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| 09:20:53 | JessicaIsConfuss | Anyone Alive? |
| 09:24:44 | JessicaIsConfuss | .. |
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| 09:32:56 | markun | JdGordon: ues |
| 09:32:59 | markun | yes :) |
| 09:33:06 | markun | eh, that was for JessicaIsConfuss |
| 09:33:08 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 09:33:17 | markun | morning JdGordon |
| 09:33:27 | * | JdGordon cant handle this working thing :'( im buggered |
| 09:34:35 | markun | JessicaIsConfuss: how did you revert the installation? |
| 09:35:26 | JessicaIsConfuss | oh hello |
| 09:35:31 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: crap, I wanted to tell you not to commit, ill have to play moer but unless something was fixed its actually worse than before |
| 09:35:39 | * | JdGordon hasnt put lastest svn on yet though |
| 09:36:05 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: other stuff was addressed majorly. what was the last one doing? |
| 09:36:14 | markun | what makes you say it's worse then? |
| 09:36:18 | JdGordon | showing an empty file browser |
| 09:36:22 | jhMikeS | that's fixed |
| 09:36:27 | JdGordon | ok good |
| 09:37:08 | jhMikeS | I was getting it. It simply needs an init retry after an insert init failure. |
| 09:37:08 | JdGordon | thanks for fixing the rec thing |
| 09:37:44 | JessicaIsConfuss | umm |
| 09:37:50 | jhMikeS | I created the problem way back so it was my responsibility :) |
| 09:37:53 | JessicaIsConfuss | I was wondering if anyone could help me out. I installed Rockbox onto my Ipod Mini and it worked fine! But the following day it reverted back to the old Ipod firmware but the rockbox files are still on the ipod harddrive? Help? |
| 09:38:03 | JessicaIsConfuss | Ive searched on the web and can't seem to find an answer |
| 09:38:10 | JessicaIsConfuss | should I just reinstall? |
| 09:38:30 | scorche | JessicaIsConfuss: hold menu + select and tell me what happens |
| 09:40:33 | JessicaIsConfuss | umm...nothing happens Scorche |
| 09:40:36 | scorche | JessicaIsConfuss: is the hold switch on? |
| 09:40:40 | JessicaIsConfuss | no |
| 09:40:56 | scorche | hold those 2 buttons for a bit till something happens |
| 09:42:09 | JessicaIsConfuss | a song started playing |
| 09:42:32 | scorche | you are in the apple firmware at the moment, correct? |
| 09:42:44 | JessicaIsConfuss | yes |
| 09:43:00 | scorche | are you holding the menu and select buttons at the same time? |
| 09:43:09 | JessicaIsConfuss | tes |
| 09:43:12 | JessicaIsConfuss | yes |
| 09:44:20 | scorche | well, you are doing something incorrectly, as this should work...to repeat: hold the menu and select (the middle button) buttons at the same time for around 10 seconds or until something happens |
| 09:45:23 | JessicaIsConfuss | it restarted |
| 09:45:23 | JessicaIsConfuss | the apple firmware still came up |
| 09:45:44 | scorche | then repeat the process of installing the bootloader as described in the manual |
| 09:45:48 | scorche | do you use itunes? |
| 09:45:56 | JessicaIsConfuss | no |
| 09:46:15 | JessicaIsConfuss | i have been using Yamipod |
| 09:48:26 | JessicaIsConfuss | what is it supposed to do when I hold menu and the select button? |
| 09:48:32 | scorche | reset the device |
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| 09:49:58 | scorche | well, the ipod wont just "revert"....soemthing had to have happened |
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| 09:51:15 | JessicaIsConfuss | I don't understand why it will not restart I am holding the buttons down |
| 09:51:44 | scorche | didnt you just say it did it? |
| 09:51:56 | JessicaIsConfuss | it did it once but it wont let me do it again |
| 09:52:06 | JessicaIsConfuss | its posessed |
| 09:52:09 | scorche | it will let you provided you do it correctly... |
| 09:55:57 | JessicaIsConfuss | well whatever should I just reinstall rockbox? |
| 09:56:11 | scorche | [00:45:39] <scorche> then repeat the process of installing the bootloader as described in the manual |
| 09:57:00 | JessicaIsConfuss | oh right I saw that earlier |
| 09:57:11 | JessicaIsConfuss | duh |
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| 09:57:44 | linuxstb | amiconn: I read the logs, but am not sure what you want me to do - IIUC, bits 30 and 31 of 0x60060a0 are set to 0 in current SVN (unknown2 & 0x3fffffff). |
| 09:57:58 | * | jhMikeS wonders if one of those goats was satanic and now a excorcist is needed :P |
| 09:58:04 | amiconn | They are set to 0 _duringt clock changes_ |
| 09:58:21 | pondlife | Good morning linuxstb... |
| 09:58:24 | amiconn | I would like to know what happens when they are set to 0 all the time |
| 09:58:25 | linuxstb | amiconn: Ah yes, I didn't look down.. |
| 09:58:33 | linuxstb | pondlife: Good morning. |
| 09:59:14 | amiconn | First, if the color still works at all. If it does, whether these bits affect lcd speed (test_fps) |
| 09:59:18 | linuxstb | amiconn: So remove the outl at the end of the function? |
| 09:59:32 | JessicaIsConfuss | there is something wrong with my select button where it doesn't want to stay held down no matter how hard I push it |
| 09:59:36 | JessicaIsConfuss | im not restarted |
| 09:59:38 | amiconn | Yes, that's probably the easiest method |
| 09:59:48 | JessicaIsConfuss | retarded rather....well maybe |
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| 10:00:04 | linuxstb | OK, I'll just do an LCD speed test first, then change and do another test. |
| 10:00:49 | * | amiconn 's H10 is now running for 8 hours without a crash, ~3h 30min of that on battery |
| 10:01:05 | amiconn | So this will be the first (coarse) runtime test as well |
| 10:01:17 | amiconn | I expect something around 5 hours |
| 10:02:20 | amiconn | Not that good given that iriver states 12 hours (although measured with 128kbps mp3), and we're doing disk poweroff on the H10 |
| 10:02:49 | amiconn | linuxstb: It may be that the difference in LCD speed is only visible when boosted |
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| 10:06:12 | linuxstb | Hmm, test_fps isn't building for me.. |
| 10:06:25 | linuxstb | (linker errors) |
| 10:07:10 | JessicaIsConfuss | Scorche reinstalling the loader fixed the problem |
| 10:07:22 | JessicaIsConfuss | I have no idea what caused the problem in the first place |
| 10:07:25 | JessicaIsConfuss | Thanks for the help |
| 10:07:27 | JessicaIsConfuss | :) |
| 10:07:40 | markun | JessicaIsConfuss: yes, it is quite stange |
| 10:08:23 | JessicaIsConfuss | might have something to do with my Yamipod client |
| 10:09:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: oh? |
| 10:09:21 | * | amiconn will check |
| 10:10:25 | amiconn | Hmm, builds fine for H10 |
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| 10:11:23 | * | amiconn tries building ipod color |
| 10:11:25 | linuxstb | It's a weird error. I've done a make clean and reconfigured, but get this: |
| 10:11:28 | linuxstb | /usr/local/arm-elf/lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.3/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 00008000 |
| 10:11:28 | linuxstb | /tmp/ccEIzjdA.o:(.header+0x8): undefined reference to `plugin_start_addr' |
| 10:11:28 | linuxstb | /tmp/ccEIzjdA.o:(.header+0xc): undefined reference to `plugin_end_addr' |
| 10:12:26 | amiconn | This is with unmodified svn? |
| 10:13:00 | linuxstb | Yes, only file changed is apps/plugins/SOURCES |
| 10:13:17 | * | linuxstb slaps self |
| 10:13:28 | amiconn | ? |
| 10:13:36 | linuxstb | I had added "test_fps" instead of "test_fps.c" to SOURCES... |
| 10:13:59 | JdGordon | well... the thought was there anyway :D |
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| 10:16:56 | * | amiconn wonders what 'make' tried to do with this |
| 10:17:33 | * | jhMikeS wonders if amiconn avoided saying "what make tried to make of this". :P |
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| 10:19:31 | voltagex | I still can't get RBUtil to compile on OS X |
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| 10:22:37 | linuxstb | For the logs, boosted (78MHz) is 50.5fps/197.0fps and unboosted (30MHz) is 19.5fps/75.5fps |
| 10:22:38 | JdGordon | any objections to changing chopper so the high score is displayed on the bottom of the lcd instead of the top line if the screen is narrow? |
| 10:24:08 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: none. how bout that ata change, eh? :) everything ok? |
| 10:24:36 | JdGordon | havnt tested yet |
| 10:24:46 | JdGordon | sansa is too far away atm |
| 10:24:55 | * | JdGordon too tired to get out of chair :p |
| 10:26:29 | jhMikeS | crawl if you must :) |
| 10:26:38 | pondlife | And you must!! :p |
| 10:26:55 | JdGordon | that was too hard :'( |
| 10:27:04 | JdGordon | i managed to reach my bag without getting out of the chair |
| 10:27:07 | * | jhMikeS gets out the long whip |
| 10:27:12 | * | JdGordon now has pins+needles in his foot |
| 10:28:11 | * | pondlife thanks Bagder for the mug *and* T-shirt |
| 10:28:12 | * | jhMikeS thinks JdGordon should give up sewing |
| 10:28:32 | JdGordon | not sewing... voodoo doll torture! |
| 10:28:37 | linuxstb | amiconn: After commenting out "outl(unknown2, 0x600060a0);" , FPS is 15.5/61.0 @ 78MHz, and 15.5/60.5 @ 30MHz |
| 10:29:02 | amiconn | Wow... so these bits actually do what I though |
| 10:29:09 | linuxstb | hehe... |
| 10:29:17 | linuxstb | So that's good news? |
| 10:29:21 | pondlife | JdGordon: I wondered why my arm was sore today. Now back to the buffering you go!! |
| 10:29:35 | amiconn | With them set, the lcd controller (interface?) is clocked from the pll, and them set to 0, from the 24MHz xtal |
| 10:29:37 | jhMikeS | but what do the bits _do_? set the lcd clock source? |
| 10:30:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: I bet you also get 15.5fps with plain svn and clock set to 24MHz... |
| 10:30:03 | jhMikeS | guess that answers that |
| 10:30:15 | amiconn | 19.5/15.5 ~ 30/24 |
| 10:31:03 | amiconn | Ok, so we should not drop these bits |
| 10:31:09 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: ok, installing new svn now |
| 10:31:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: I wonder what happens when we set only one of the bits... |
| 10:31:39 | amiconn | Currently we only know what 11b and 00b are doing. |
| 10:32:06 | linuxstb | OK, I'll give it a go. 10b coming up... |
| 10:32:33 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: much better :) |
| 10:32:36 | jhMikeS | It doesn't just set one of the clock sources just like the other regs? |
| 10:33:03 | amiconn | ? |
| 10:33:05 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: awsome. no problem with abusing the insert? |
| 10:33:20 | JdGordon | none yet |
| 10:33:27 | amiconn | I think it selects one of 4 clock sources, but which setting selects which source? |
| 10:33:37 | * | amiconn has a suspicion though |
| 10:33:47 | jhMikeS | I already figured that out and needs to refresh |
| 10:34:20 | linuxstb | amiconn: Am I right to just change the final outl to "outl(unknown2 & 0xbfffffff, 0x600060a0);" ? (my brain still isn't fully-functional after DevConPub2...) |
| 10:34:38 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: when the card is inserted but doesnt get shown, is that a card failure? or something just happens too quickly? |
| 10:34:46 | amiconn | That should work |
| 10:35:03 | amiconn | You can check the value of the register under 'View I/O Ports' |
| 10:35:27 | * | JdGordon doesnt like this comment... /* NOTE: This init isn't dual core safe */ |
| 10:35:34 | JdGordon | we are never going to go dual core are we? :'( |
| 10:35:44 | amiconn | I called it CLOCK_0xA0, not knowing its real purpose |
| 10:36:07 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: 1) it is a card failure 2) we sure as heck are going to do it. I'll do it sansa only if I have to. |
| 10:36:20 | amiconn | nooooooo ;) |
| 10:36:28 | JdGordon | thats what i like tot hear :) |
| 10:36:36 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Really, we should try to get it working on all PP targets |
| 10:36:43 | pondlife | noooooo? Why not rrrrr? |
| 10:36:45 | linuxstb | amiconn: It froze at boot - I'm still staring at the Apple logo... |
| 10:36:50 | amiconn | (that includes PP5002) |
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| 10:37:07 | jhMikeS | we'll that's what I want but I can't stand having a whole core going unused outside mpegplayer |
| 10:37:14 | amiconn | linuxstb: Okay, so probably 10b selects an inactive clock source |
| 10:37:35 | linuxstb | Trying 0x7ff... now |
| 10:37:39 | JdGordon | we dont have a filesize limit for the bootloaders do we? |
| 10:37:58 | JdGordon | ... I mean, one we are in danger of passing |
| 10:38:12 | jhMikeS | if we has a datasheet the bits would probably be shown as "show apple logo" |
| 10:38:20 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Which bootloader? I expect there's a limit on iriver h1x0/3x0 |
| 10:38:31 | pondlife | JdGordon: File size, or memory size? |
| 10:38:36 | JdGordon | file size |
| 10:38:57 | JdGordon | linuxstb: hmm, yeah, I'm starting to remember something around 64k for our code? |
| 10:39:01 | amiconn | Not really unexpected... when I first tried setting the various core sources MrH figured out on my iPod, 3 of the 8 possible settings just hung |
| 10:39:04 | JdGordon | but no problems on pp? |
| 10:39:17 | linuxstb | amiconn: Second test hung as well... |
| 10:39:19 | amiconn | (actually 4, but one was expected to hang without further measures) |
| 10:39:36 | amiconn | Okay, so at least I can document the register. |
| 10:40:00 | amiconn | And we should continue handling it, otherwise we'll use lcd performance which would be bad |
| 10:40:01 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: are you saying the SD card is not showing up alot or only during abuse? |
| 10:40:45 | amiconn | linuxstb: Thanks again for testing |
| 10:41:25 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: both (?!), it seems if I put one in and its detected, then swap to my other one it will take a few tries for it to be shown |
| 10:41:25 | linuxstb | amiconn: You're welcome. Let me know if you need anything else - I'll be around all day, but am going out this evening. |
| 10:41:51 | JdGordon | bbs dinner |
| 10:43:14 | TiMiD[FD] | what's the difference between the bitmaps in bitmaps/native and bitmaps/mono ? |
| 10:43:29 | TiMiD[FD] | if I use a bitmap in native/ for the archos it works |
| 10:43:42 | TiMiD[FD] | and mono produces garbage |
| 10:44:23 | * | amiconn wonders whether 0x600060a0 will help speeding up lcd update on other pp targets |
| 10:44:45 | amiconn | The minis don't handle the register in their clock change routine, so it probably won't help there |
| 10:44:58 | amiconn | But the nano and video do |
| 10:45:01 | jhMikeS | e200 doesn't use it |
| 10:45:33 | amiconn | e200 is probably rather special with its lcd dma |
| 10:46:04 | jhMikeS | nothing else can use lcd dma? |
| 10:47:49 | jhMikeS | the use of flush_icache doesn't seem to be needed. invalidate_icache seems sufficient to keep the screen coherent. |
| 10:48:58 | * | jhMikeS tries the scaling again |
| 10:49:13 | amiconn | Looking at the lcd base addresses it might help on H10 |
| 10:50:13 | amiconn | ...on nano, and _perhaps_ on the greyscale ipods |
| 10:50:39 | amiconn | I'll test on H10 after finishing this (coarse) runtime test |
| 10:50:41 | jhMikeS | I hope this works and is fast since that should be the ticket for coherency between cores then... |
| 10:51:24 | amiconn | Shouldn't take long since there are only 16% battery left now |
| 10:52:24 | jhMikeS | the OF does an invalidate_icache when doing SD I/O so it seems promising but I have to wait though a full rebuild now :\ |
| 10:53:30 | * | amiconn should try these bits on mini g2 meanwhile |
| 10:54:19 | amiconn | linuxstb: I think we should also set them explicitly in our lcd init (after naming the register properly in pp5020.h) |
| 10:55:01 | * | amiconn would like to see a test on a nano as well |
| 10:55:06 | linuxstb | TiMiD[FD]: bitmaps/native are drawn with the normal lcd_bitmap function, and bitmaps/mono are drawn with the mono bitmap functions. So on Archos it shouldn't matter. |
| 10:56:51 | * | jhMikeS wonders how much trouble using DMA for audio would be...will attempt when the mood strikes |
| 10:57:25 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
| 10:57:35 | TiMiD[FD] | then I put everything under native |
| 10:58:46 | Arathis | amiconn: Are you already testing a new build? Or is the runtime test on another player? |
| 10:59:35 | jhMikeS | argh, still clicks |
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| 11:01:06 | pixelma | JdGordon: the highscore on the bottom is a bit irritating on archos - expecially because it's unnecessarily wide off of the screen's border |
| 11:01:16 | pixelma | *especially |
| 11:01:49 | pixelma | and I think I'd prefer it on the right side - but hard to tell |
| 11:02:59 | pixelma | or maybe it was better when it disturbed in only one place so to speak (i.e. the top) |
| 11:03:17 | amiconn | Arathis: A new build. It runs stable for >9 hours now, >4.5 hours of that on battery |
| 11:03:45 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Do you force a fifo refill before invalidating the cache? |
| 11:04:14 | Arathis | wow. great news |
| 11:04:30 | jhMikeS | I can do that but the solution is rather ugly. It only needs to have the thresholds changed and then reset. |
| 11:05:08 | amiconn | Yes, but if it works... |
| 11:06:09 | jhMikeS | it does and needs no concern for pcm state. I should mention though that 30mHz is just unusable. 40 seemed better. |
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| 11:08:28 | DerPapst | good evening at all :) |
| 11:09:22 | DerPapst | amiconn: do you still have LinusN's iPod? If not i could probably do a test on my 5.5G iPod. |
| 11:09:32 | amiconn | Yes I do |
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| 11:09:42 | amiconn | I don't expect an effect on the video though |
| 11:09:49 | DerPapst | ok then nvm ;) |
| 11:13:21 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I wonder if just writing some dummy data to a buffer might work...just enough to flush out the lines |
| 11:14:04 | Arathis | amiconn: If you have a build for me I could do a longtime test too. I'm away from the pc and player anyway the next eight hours |
| 11:14:27 | amiconn | If you have a few mins I can make one |
| 11:15:42 | pondlife | Is it well-known how much the iPod Video list scrolling (probably screen update) is improved when CPU is boosted? I saw it for the first time at DevConPub2 last night and it was very obvious. |
| 11:17:44 | amiconn | lcd update gets faster with cpu clock on all targets |
| 11:17:56 | Arathis | amiconn: thanks |
| 11:18:52 | pondlife | amiconn: Yes, but this made the UI so much better, I really couldn't have imagined it. Just my first impression of a Rockboxed iPod.... |
| 11:20:10 | midkay | pondlife: me! me! i definitely know the slow scrolling issue. i used to always go and boost the CPU when i turned my iPod on. (i later learned to just live with it..) |
| 11:20:45 | amiconn | Scrolling is pretty okay imo since the multiple lcd update in menus got fixed |
| 11:20:52 | JdGordon | pixelma: oh ok, its just that with any font other than the default it was cut off on the sansa and very irritating |
| 11:21:15 | pondlife | pretty okay, but noticably slower than the OF still? |
| 11:21:32 | * | pondlife has little iPod experience. |
| 11:21:34 | midkay | amiconn: now the menus are better, yeah. (same speed as all other lists) but still overall the UI is rather slow, i think. |
| 11:21:51 | pondlife | I was certainly happy to have an H300... |
| 11:21:56 | midkay | definitely noticeably slower than the OF. (except sometimes when playing music, the UI in the OF gets rather sluggish) |
| 11:23:02 | TiMiD[FD] | /c/c |
| 11:23:24 | amiconn | pondlife: On H300 the difference is also quite noticeable |
| 11:23:45 | amiconn | The only targets where the difference is practically unnoticeable are the non-color ones |
| 11:23:58 | amiconn | The H10 just died from low bat. No crash |
| 11:24:15 | amiconn | 4h 50min battery runtime |
| 11:24:42 | pondlife | Hmm, no crashing but reduced runtime? |
| 11:24:51 | DerPapst | nice :) |
| 11:25:03 | pondlife | Is CPU scaling enabled? |
| 11:25:07 | amiconn | Not reduced... normal for a rockboxed PP5020 target |
| 11:25:24 | DerPapst | pondlife: yes |
| 11:25:28 | pondlife | Ah, ok. I thought a Rockboxed H10 was nearer 6 hours. |
| 11:26:09 | amiconn | Depends, maybe the 20GB versions run for 6 hours |
| 11:26:25 | DerPapst | the test was all aboud clock changing :) |
| 11:26:33 | amiconn | Without cpu scaling, it's very likely less |
| 11:26:37 | Arathis | H20 can run about 8 hours |
| 11:27:18 | JdGordon | what ever happened with the idea of putting all the pp targets under a single subfolder under arm/ in the TT? |
| 11:27:23 | amiconn | Setting the lcd clock bits has no effect on mini g2 |
| 11:27:45 | linuxstb | There's only one H10 test on the IriverRuntime page - a 6GB that ran for 4h 02m (128kbps VBR MP3) |
| 11:28:07 | amiconn | So my test shows the improvement |
| 11:28:23 | amiconn | 4h 50m (~200kbps VBR mp3) |
| 11:28:36 | amiconn | (I mean the improved runtime with clock scaling) |
| 11:30:53 | linuxstb | iriver appear to be claiming "up to 12 hours" for the 5GB and 6GB... |
| 11:31:17 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:31:27 | amiconn | with 128kbps mp3 |
| 11:31:29 | Arathis | I had ~13h with the OF on my 20GB if I remember correctly |
| 11:31:42 | Arathis | could've been 15 though |
| 11:33:04 | Arathis | iRiver says 16h for the 20GB |
| 11:34:52 | JdGordon | pondlife: any reason you havnt commited 6266? |
| 11:34:56 | Arathis | amiconn: Is the build ready soon? Otherwise I'd have to go now |
| 11:35:07 | amiconn | Yes, just uploaded |
| 11:35:12 | amiconn | Same URL as yesterday |
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| 11:35:29 | JdGordon | Llorean: you round? |
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| 11:37:43 | scorche | JdGordon, others who havent been able to attend the 3 meetings: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11760.0 |
| 11:39:18 | JdGordon | scorche: random number, between what? |
| 11:39:38 | amiconn | wow! |
| 11:39:49 | scorche | JdGordon: as in i assign a number to each wanting one, and see what numbers are generated and how they correlate.. |
| 11:39:58 | linuxstb | amiconn: ? |
| 11:40:22 | JdGordon | umm... ok |
| 11:40:23 | amiconn | LCD update speedup on H10 by setting the lcd clock select bits to PLL: 10% at 30MHz, and 80% at 78MHz |
| 11:40:35 | DerPapst | wow indeed |
| 11:40:40 | scorche | JdGordon: just say you want one and I will take care of it =) |
| 11:40:57 | * | amiconn wonders if Arathis will be around for long enough to test that on the 20GB |
| 11:41:16 | amiconn | Maybe it's better to do that tonight though, after testing clock change stabiliy... |
| 11:41:28 | pondlife | JdGordon: Just because I was hoping the sim pause could be fixed first (FS #6267). That would make for a cleaner fix here. |
| 11:41:31 | DerPapst | then start compiling fast like the wind :D |
| 11:41:40 | JdGordon | pondlife: ok |
| 11:41:55 | pondlife | I'll resync, and might commit it anyway.. |
| 11:42:04 | amiconn | Now if we also apply the special ipod color trickery involving the word count.... |
| 11:42:23 | Arathis | amiconn: no. I'M off in about a minute ;) |
| 11:42:38 | JdGordon | pixelma: coo-eey.. |
| 11:42:57 | pixelma | what? |
| 11:43:13 | amiconn | Even with the simple clock bit change, jewels suddenly becomes fun to play during music playback! :) |
| 11:43:30 | JdGordon | pixelma: how would you prefer chopper fixed? |
| 11:43:51 | JdGordon | just put it back the way it was for wide screen targets? |
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| 11:44:42 | JdGordon | ... or maybe just hide high score if the screen isnt wide enough? |
| 11:46:26 | * | amiconn wonders whether there's any other H10 20GB owner than barrywardell and Arathis |
| 11:47:01 | pixelma | hmm... maybe that - it could be displayed in the menu like in jewels (though that has a flaw on Archos too but that's a different story) |
| 11:47:03 | * | JdGordon sees if he can find one in another channell.. |
| 11:47:37 | JdGordon | "maybe that" to which one? |
| 11:48:04 | pixelma | not displaying the highscore in the game screen |
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| 11:48:20 | linuxstb | TiMiD[FD]: You shouldn't add new functions to the middle of the plugin API struct, especially without bumping the plugin API version. They are normally added to the end of the struct and the PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION incremented. |
| 11:48:31 | pixelma | wasn't alienbiker99 an H10 owner too? |
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| 11:49:09 | pixelma | JdGordon: if that doesn't work, I think I prefer the "old way" on Archos at least |
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| 11:49:35 | JdGordon | I dont think showing the high score in the menu is very good |
| 11:49:50 | linuxstb | TiMiD[FD]: Remove "_MIN" from my previous sentence... |
| 11:50:28 | amiconn | urgh |
| 11:50:42 | amiconn | That's a big no-no in fact |
| 11:50:59 | TiMiD[FD] | linuxstb: I know, but I forgot ... |
| 11:52:04 | XavierGr | markun: any idea on the USB charge on H100? :P |
| 11:52:25 | TiMiD[FD] | I made the commit before leaving work ... |
| 11:52:56 | TiMiD[FD] | anyway I'll probably recommit since a wrning popped out |
| 11:53:32 | amiconn | linuxstb: 50fps->90fps fullscreen isn't bad, eh? :) |
| 11:53:56 | TiMiD[FD] | but for the plugins, always adding at the end of the structure makes the struct more and more messy |
| 11:54:18 | amiconn | Yes, but it keeps backwards compatibility for a while |
| 11:54:34 | JdGordon | and it gts cleaned up when a commit is forced to break backwards compa |
| 11:54:35 | JdGordon | t |
| 11:54:38 | TiMiD[FD] | binary compatibility |
| 11:55:06 | amiconn | If there is a necessary incompatible change, the min api version needs to be bumped, and whoever does that is required to sort the api |
| 11:55:16 | TiMiD[FD] | it gets cleaned when someone makes such a commit ... if the guy does it |
| 11:55:20 | amiconn | This way it cannot become too messy |
| 11:55:35 | TiMiD[FD] | for example if I make changes to the screen api |
| 11:55:40 | TiMiD[FD] | which is included into the plugins |
| 11:55:42 | amiconn | The comments in plugin.h clearly state what to do |
| 11:55:49 | TiMiD[FD] | it won't be binary compatible |
| 11:56:12 | TiMiD[FD] | even if I didn't changed anything into the plugin.h |
| 11:57:57 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:58:15 | amiconn | Then that rule applies too, as you changed the plugin api |
| 11:58:32 | amiconn | ...even without changing a line in plugin.[ch] |
| 11:58:58 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
| 11:59:39 | amiconn | So to fix that, either the new functions should be moved in another commit and the api version bumped, or both versions need to be bumped |
| 11:59:52 | TiMiD[FD] | I'll do it in my next commit |
| 11:59:52 | amiconn | (and remaining unsorted functions sorted) |
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| 12:00:18 | TiMiD[FD] | but I wonder if it's still binary compatible after the compiler makes some memory alignments |
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| 12:00:43 | amiconn | ? |
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| 12:01:43 | markun | XavierGr: nope |
| 12:04:38 | JdGordon | pixelma: mind trying a patch before I commit? |
| 12:04:57 | JdGordon | ive got it only displaying the highscore if the current score is < and if both fit on the screen |
| 12:05:52 | amiconn | Hmm. It should be possible to achieve 118fps on H10 small and 94fps on H10 large |
| 12:05:58 | linuxstb | amiconn: I was wondering why mpegplayer seemed relatively slow on the H10 (compared to other PP targets) - e.g. the Nano can do 128x128 at 42fps, but the H10 could only manage 29fps. I guess you've found the reason... |
| 12:06:10 | pixelma | I'll take a look - but you did shorten "highscore" and so on as before? |
| 12:06:17 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, so the nano has these bits set? |
| 12:06:23 | amiconn | (by the loader I mean) |
| 12:06:34 | JdGordon | pixelma: hmm, ill put that back in and then do a diff.. 2 min |
| 12:07:03 | linuxstb | amiconn: The Nano seems to perform almost the same as the Color in mpegplayer, so I would guess it does. I don't own a Nano though. |
| 12:07:14 | amiconn | How many fps on nano? |
| 12:07:24 | pixelma | JdGordon: is it again at the top? |
| 12:07:25 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 12:07:40 | * | amiconn would expect around 82 |
| 12:07:44 | amiconn | I mean in test_fps |
| 12:07:47 | JdGordon | pixelma: yes |
| 12:07:49 | amiconn | boosted |
| 12:08:14 | linuxstb | No tests listed on LcdFrameRate... |
| 12:08:30 | JdGordon | pixelma: dcc? |
| 12:08:38 | pixelma | should work |
| 12:09:00 | amiconn | Afaik Llorean does have a nano |
| 12:09:06 | linuxstb | Yes, he does. |
| 12:09:32 | scorche | i do as well...just add test_fps to the sources or logf? |
| 12:09:34 | * | amiconn would like to know the CLOCK_0xA0 on nano |
| 12:09:51 | linuxstb | scorche: Yes, add it to sources, and then add your results to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LcdFrameRate |
| 12:10:14 | scorche | reset settings as well, or shoudl that not matter? |
| 12:10:39 | amiconn | scorche: Just check 'View I/O ports' first, whether those bits are already set |
| 12:10:53 | amiconn | Settings don't matter for test_fps |
| 12:11:30 | * | amiconn guesses they're set though |
| 12:12:18 | scorche | i get C0000000 for CLOCK_0xA0 |
| 12:12:30 | amiconn | Ah, so they're set |
| 12:12:46 | amiconn | Good to know |
| 12:12:56 | scorche | shall i still run test_fps? |
| 12:13:37 | * | scorche does it anyway for the wiki's sake |
| 12:13:44 | linuxstb | Yes, it would be nice to have Nano measurements in the wiki. |
| 12:13:44 | pixelma | JdGordon: the highscore wasn't shown in the game - though the splash said it was one in the end... |
| 12:14:19 | JdGordon | highscore isnt shown if the current score is better |
| 12:15:53 | pixelma | ok - misunderstood but then I should see it if I start now and the score is less? If so it doesn't work, they are never shown |
| 12:15:56 | TiMiD[FD] | yaaa perfect a green line |
| 12:16:02 | TiMiD[FD] | now I can go to my date |
| 12:16:09 | TiMiD[FD] | 15 minutes late >>>> |
| 12:16:25 | DerPapst | uh ohh :P |
| 12:16:28 | pixelma | JdGordon: hmm... somehow it worked when I restarted a second time |
| 12:16:47 | JdGordon | yeah, it will show the hiscore untill the current score is better |
| 12:17:00 | JdGordon | same here, but i think thats a bug with the sim saving? |
| 12:17:02 | * | JdGordon checks |
| 12:17:59 | pixelma | right, seems to work now (and I tried in a sim) - testing on my Ondio but that'll take a bit longer... |
| 12:19:27 | JdGordon | also, fixing the bug where resume game is selected when you get put back in the menu after dying |
| 12:20:06 | linuxstb | TiMiD[FD]: When adding to the end, you need to increment PLUGIN_API_VERSION, not PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION - as the comments describe. Your commit made the min API version greater than the current API version... |
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| 12:22:24 | amiconn | linuxstb: lcd_send_lo and lcd_send_hi are named wrong in lcd-color_nano.c |
| 12:22:32 | herbi_ | hi guys, i installed rockbox on my ipod mini works fine just one quick q, if i have several directories full of mp3s in the root dir of the ipod, how can i tell rockbox to shuffle through the whole thing, atm i can only get it to shuffle in subdirs? |
| 12:22:49 | amiconn | In fact lcd_send_lo means lcd_send_cmd and lcd_send_hi means lcd_send_data |
| 12:23:10 | amiconn | And the 2 different lcd types are actually 16bit and 8bit hookup |
| 12:23:26 | scorche | herbi_: make a playlist of all the music and turn shuffle on |
| 12:23:31 | JdGordon | linuxstb: TiMiD[FD]: if the screen access struct is modified then the PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION should probably be bumped anyway |
| 12:23:45 | herbi_ | really? it cant handle just shuffling on its own? |
| 12:23:49 | herbi_ | thats a bit retarded. |
| 12:24:04 | pondlife | herbi_: Use the database? |
| 12:24:14 | pondlife | Select <All tracks>... |
| 12:24:17 | linuxstb | amiconn: Anything you can do to clarify that driver would be welcome... |
| 12:24:22 | amiconn | And I can probably reuse almost all code from there to improve the H10 lcd driver (8bit hookup) |
| 12:24:46 | amiconn | Bad thing is that I can't test H10 large myself |
| 12:24:59 | herbi_ | i cant believe it cant handle shuffling on its own |
| 12:25:24 | herbi_ | tempt me to switch back to normal firmware |
| 12:25:28 | pondlife | herbi_: It can, read the manual about database |
| 12:25:35 | JdGordon | herbi_: enable shuffle mode then do a recursive insert on the root of your disk and it will do what you want |
| 12:25:59 | pondlife | Yes, that's even simpler |
| 12:26:21 | pixelma | JdGordon: seems to work correctly on my Ondio |
| 12:26:50 | JdGordon | great |
| 12:26:56 | scorche | UGH...thanks to me updating with TiMiD[FD]'s commit, i get incompatible version... |
| 12:27:02 | * | scorche dives into plugin.h |
| 12:27:29 | pondlife | scorche: Looks like TiMiD[FD]'s gone... are you going to fix it up? |
| 12:27:53 | scorche | pondlife: i havent gotten commit access yet |
| 12:28:03 | herbi_ | JdGordon, sorry i dont understand |
| 12:28:11 | JdGordon | read the manual then |
| 12:28:12 | amiconn | linuxstb: How did you find out about the i/o count registers, btw? |
| 12:28:14 | herbi_ | pondlife, so the database has to be rebuilt every time i change the tracks? |
| 12:28:25 | amiconn | Or is that also borrowed from ipl? |
| 12:28:48 | linuxstb | Everything is simply taken from ipl. |
| 12:28:53 | herbi_ | well, rockbox is cool and shit, but it doesnt really do anything special that would convince meto take it |
| 12:28:55 | scorche | pondlife: i can give you a patch if you wish, but it is quite simple... |
| 12:28:56 | herbi_ | nvm |
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| 12:29:28 | pixelma | a patient one... |
| 12:29:35 | JdGordon | his loss.... |
| 12:29:40 | pondlife | Well, not mine |
| 12:30:05 | * | JdGordon puts out another call for anyone who knows how to pass data from the bootloader to rockbox? |
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| 12:30:16 | pondlife | NVRAM? |
| 12:30:23 | JdGordon | not all targets have |
| 12:30:25 | linuxstb | JdGordon: There's no mechanism to do it afaik - so you need to invent one... |
| 12:30:58 | JdGordon | can it be passed as an arg to main()? or does that involve yucky asm to fiddle with the stack? |
| 12:31:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: Didn't you optimise the color lcd update? |
| 12:31:28 | amiconn | Maybe I don't rc... |
| 12:31:30 | linuxstb | No, it was the video update I worked on. |
| 12:31:44 | amiconn | I mean the pixel count stuff |
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| 12:32:13 | linuxstb | I may have tweaked it, but the code was definitely already there in a very similar form in IPL. |
| 12:32:30 | * | linuxstb goes to see what the original looked like |
| 12:34:11 | linuxstb | All I changed was the 0x10000 - it was 64000 in the original code. |
| 12:34:28 | amiconn | ah |
| 12:34:57 | linuxstb | So I wondered why it was such an odd value, and increased it slightly. |
| 12:35:04 | antgel | hi all, is there a page indicating sanity of builds? latest appears totally insane on my H300, but it's so long since i downloaded a bad build, i'm wondering if i might have done something wrong :) |
| 12:35:18 | * | amiconn should probably start a PP5020 wiki page |
| 12:35:43 | linuxstb | antgel: Insane in what way? It's known that all plugins are broken... |
| 12:35:44 | amiconn | ...documenting all the stuff I figured out so far (includes some MrH knowledge) |
| 12:35:58 | Slasheri | JdGordon: IRAM on eeprom on H100 |
| 12:36:07 | Slasheri | eeprom is actually used with flashed rockbox |
| 12:36:13 | antgel | linuxstb: i can't listen to any music - it hangs. let me try with a fresh .rockbox directory |
| 12:36:19 | DerPapst | or extend iPLs wiki page :) |
| 12:36:31 | linuxstb | Is their server up at the moment? ;) |
| 12:36:36 | JdGordon | Slasheri: im hoping for a solution which would work on every target |
| 12:36:46 | DerPapst | no :'( |
| 12:37:00 | DerPapst | oh it is :D |
| 12:37:01 | Slasheri | JdGordon: well, iram sounds quite "global" solution for me :) |
| 12:37:25 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Just put a struct at a fixed location in RAM (SDRAM or IRAM, it doesn't matter), and read the values before that memory is overwritten by Rockbox. |
| 12:37:51 | amiconn | DerPapst: I won't touch the ipl wiki |
| 12:38:08 | DerPapst | why not? too messy? |
| 12:38:17 | scorche | pondlife: if you want to commit it... scorche.cleansoap.org/dumptruck/PluginApiVer.diff">http://scorche.cleansoap.org/dumptruck/PluginApiVer.diff |
| 12:38:20 | JdGordon | linuxstb: in apps? how? |
| 12:40:03 | DerPapst | i hate it when windows refuses to start the task manager :-/ |
| 12:40:13 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Just do a memcpy. Maybe the end of SDRAM would be a suitable place - IRAM will be overwritten by the startup code (copying icode functions there, clearing the ibss etc). |
| 12:41:01 | JdGordon | oh alright |
| 12:41:30 | DerPapst | quit "brb... reboot :-/" |
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| 12:41:54 | amiconn | Somewhat messy, yes, and the server is often down |
| 12:42:11 | * | amiconn still wasn't able to find the ipl svn |
| 12:42:24 | amiconn | I only know about the cvs, but that seems outdated |
| 12:44:43 | pondlife | scorche: Thanks, committed. Hope it was right! |
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| 12:45:09 | JdGordon | linuxstb: how do I find out the end address of the sdram? |
| 12:45:13 | scorche | it is only wrong if he broke the api, whhich it dodnt sound like it.. |
| 12:45:32 | tucoz | bluebrother, i saw that you were looking for a html gpl. In case you didn't find one already, check this page out: http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html |
| 12:45:48 | JdGordon | linuxstb: is that the DRAMSIZE define? |
| 12:45:50 | amiconn | linuxstb, JdGordon: Why not just pass a parameter (in a register)? |
| 12:46:06 | tucoz | bluebrother, you could simply copy the gpl that is shown on that page, using the html source. |
| 12:46:15 | antgel | linuxstb: this is too weird. some of my oggs play and some don't. they alll play with factory firmware. i want to try them with a rockbox sim as i'm not convinced my hardware is okay :| |
| 12:46:19 | linuxstb | tucoz: That's GPLv3 ;) |
| 12:46:21 | scorche | linuxstb: what shall i put in "LCD Driver Revision" as all this is pre-svn? |
| 12:46:29 | tucoz | linuxstb, grrrrrr |
| 12:46:30 | tucoz | ;) |
| 12:46:39 | linuxstb | scorche: I guess just put the SVN revision. |
| 12:46:39 | JdGordon | amiconn: I would if I knew how to |
| 12:47:02 | tucoz | this one then: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.html |
| 12:47:20 | linuxstb | scorche: lcd-colornano.c says r12574 in the header, so you could quote that. |
| 12:47:34 | scorche | linuxstb: so according to http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/target/arm/ipod/lcd-color_nano.c?view=log should i put 12574, ot the current revision that it was built under? |
| 12:47:36 | linuxstb | JdGordon: What information do you need to pass anyway? |
| 12:47:39 | scorche | oh...alright =) |
| 12:48:26 | scorche | linuxstb: the bootloader version afaik |
| 12:49:27 | JdGordon | yeah, some identifier from the bootloader, the whole version string would be nice... but not needed |
| 12:49:34 | amiconn | So the H10 is in fact very similar to the ipod color (smaller display but with radio) |
| 12:49:38 | pondlife | lol - "Build should have been done 0m 45s ago" |
| 12:50:03 | pixelma | nothing new |
| 12:50:40 | pondlife | I've not seen that one before.. |
| 12:50:47 | scorche | linuxstb: is there a special way of getting the info for the other MHz? or should i just change the boost counter? |
| 12:51:04 | linuxstb | You need to manually change the boost counter. |
| 12:51:53 | * | amiconn thinks the plugin could set the clock itself |
| 12:52:00 | amiconn | At least boosted/unboosted |
| 12:52:10 | amiconn | idle might be a problem |
| 12:52:17 | markun | antgel: are some of the files really old? |
| 12:53:25 | linuxstb | antgel: Also, do any of them have odd tags in them (e.g. id3v2 at the start) ? |
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| 12:54:14 | antgel | markun: yeah, but the old ones play fine, it's my newly-ripped ones that don't work. also it appears that it could be something to do with non-ascii filenames or tags. the issue is weird, i haven't pinned it down yet. i'm not being very scientific |
| 12:54:56 | * | amiconn wonders why lcd_yuv_blit() for ipod color is not yet asm optimised |
| 12:55:15 | scorche | linuxstb: and the transfer rate? |
| 12:55:24 | antgel | linuxstb: could well be - i think they have id3v2 tags as grip is not set to "Only tag files ending in '.mp3'" |
| 12:55:33 | linuxstb | Ah, grip again... |
| 12:55:37 | amiconn | scorche: The transfer rate is a simple calculation |
| 12:55:39 | antgel | *sigh* |
| 12:55:41 | linuxstb | antgel: Yes, that will be the problem. |
| 12:55:45 | DerPapst | amiconn: iPLs svn is down. and systechs doesn't reply to any emails. wo don't have any access to the server. |
| 12:56:15 | amiconn | So there's only the old cvs? |
| 12:56:22 | linuxstb | antgel: Do you have the "id3v2" utility installed? |
| 12:56:47 | amiconn | Doesn't seem to matter much as kernel development seems to have stopped long ago... |
| 12:56:50 | antgel | linuxstb: okay, at least you know the issue. :) i've been using grip since the year dot, and that setting has been like that for a long time, it all worked so i never changed it |
| 12:57:06 | DerPapst | one of iPLs core devs sets up a new server so we can put everything up there but i still don't have a idea how to get all databases off the server without any access :( |
| 12:57:16 | linuxstb | antgel: Something like "id3v2 -D *.ogg" should remove those id3v2 tags. |
| 12:57:29 | antgel | linuxstb: no, but i can grab it from the debian repos |
| 12:57:31 | DerPapst | amiconn: there is a little outdated svn availabe too |
| 12:57:34 | DerPapst | wait a sec.. |
| 12:58:07 | antgel | linuxstb: ISTR that .ogg doesn't use id3, right? in which case the default grip setting seems a little insane |
| 12:58:10 | DerPapst | amiconn: http://opensvn.csie.org/courtc/ |
| 12:58:14 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Has the IPL kernel moved to SVN? |
| 12:58:28 | linuxstb | antgel: Yes, it is insane... |
| 12:58:39 | DerPapst | linuxstb: no |
| 12:58:56 | DerPapst | the kernel is the only think that is still worked on in cvs |
| 12:59:01 | amiconn | Ah, so no need for svn then |
| 12:59:43 | * | linuxstb does a "cvs update" in his IPL kernel tree for the first time in months and nothing changed... |
| 12:59:47 | antgel | linuxstb: having said that, some of my oggs work fine, and they were encoded with id3v2. is it pot luck? |
| 12:59:58 | DerPapst | if you are interested in lcd stuff hotdog might be interesting too. it accesses the lcd hardware directly for some targets |
| 13:00 |
| 13:00:24 | DerPapst | but i think only the greyscale ones. not 100% sure though |
| 13:00:32 | * | tucoz reminds linuxstb of http://www.google.com/trends?q=ipodlinux%2C+rockbox |
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| 13:01:51 | linuxstb | DerPapst: I seem to recall reading somewhere that free() doesn't do anything in IPL - do you know if that's right? |
| 13:02:03 | * | scorche should compare those dates with magazine articles for fun |
| 13:02:13 | * | amiconn doesn't even know what hotdog is |
| 13:02:23 | linuxstb | LCD drawing lib |
| 13:02:30 | XavierGr | ok USB charging mod is behaving very weird |
| 13:03:34 | XavierGr | I managed to make it work, but only when powered off |
| 13:04:16 | DerPapst | linuxstb: unfortunately that is correct :( |
| 13:04:21 | XavierGr | when powered on the green light comes up only when the USB jack is half-inserted |
| 13:04:30 | linuxstb | antgel: Are you sure that some Oggs with id3v2 tags are working in Rockbox? Reading the code, they shouldn't... |
| 13:04:39 | tucoz | scorche, if you use trends for something like vista, you get a selection of news items aligned with the curve. http://www.google.com/trends?q=vista&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 |
| 13:04:46 | linuxstb | DerPapst: That seems a pretty major issue... |
| 13:05:20 | antgel | linuxstb: pretty much. i've just stripped the tags, so let me rsync everything and i'll report back |
| 13:05:41 | DerPapst | linuxstb: it is indeed. one all memory is used the called app just crashed because it runs out of memory and then you have to reset the ipod. |
| 13:05:49 | DerPapst | *once |
| 13:06:03 | DerPapst | crashes |
| 13:06:05 | amiconn | Nothing new there... just the kernel code replicated |
| 13:06:10 | * | DerPapst joins a typo class |
| 13:06:22 | pixelma | a typo class? |
| 13:06:33 | tucoz | hehe |
| 13:06:34 | linuxstb | DerPapst: You don't need a class - you're doing very well with typos.. |
| 13:06:39 | * | DerPapst gives up |
| 13:06:39 | JdGordon | does (DRAMORIG + DRAMSIZE - sizeof(struct bootloaderversion)) look correct? |
| 13:06:43 | JdGordon | ... for all targets |
| 13:07:09 | linuxstb | I would put it somewhere that didn't depend on sizeof(struct bootloaderversion) |
| 13:07:29 | JdGordon | well, that ideally will never change |
| 13:07:54 | linuxstb | And give it a header with some magic (e.g. "BootInfo") and a struct version number and size. |
| 13:07:54 | * | amiconn thinks the ipl lcd code is a good example how the one-binary-runs-everywhere makes the code severely bloated and inefficient |
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| 13:08:22 | amiconn | Insert 'concept' where it fits |
| 13:08:29 | scorche | linuxstb: added to the wiki page...quite fast |
| 13:08:38 | linuxstb | JdGordon: If you're going to add a transfer mechanism from bootloader to Rockbox, IMO it should be future-proof. |
| 13:09:12 | JdGordon | ok, ill see if this works first and then bloat it out :) |
| 13:09:31 | amar | could someone have a look at fs#7478 |
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| 13:09:50 | linuxstb | JdGordon: But feel free to tell me I'm over-complicating it if you think I am... ;) |
| 13:09:56 | amar | simple bug, simple fix i think thanks |
| 13:10:31 | JdGordon | linuxstb: we'll see... :) DRAMORIG and DRAMSIZE arnt defined for apps :( |
| 13:10:34 | scorche | if it is simple, then why dont you make a patch? |
| 13:10:40 | DerPapst | once the iPL kernel somewhat works on a new ipod develoment suddenly stops. and there are a lot of other issues with the politics about who is allowed to add code to the holy kernel |
| 13:10:41 | pondlife | scorche |
| 13:10:43 | pondlife | He has |
| 13:10:47 | pondlife | :) |
| 13:10:52 | scorche | ah... |
| 13:10:59 | * | scorche got a php error and couldnt see it |
| 13:11:15 | * | scorche is still getting that error |
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| 13:11:40 | amar | scorche: I have |
| 13:11:46 | scorche | amar: sorry for the canned response...i see that now =) |
| 13:12:08 | * | scorche places foot in mouth |
| 13:12:25 | * | DerPapst wants a picture |
| 13:12:41 | * | scorche is also sans-clothes, and so refuses |
| 13:12:59 | DerPapst | hehe+ |
| 13:13:08 | JdGordon | BUGGER! |
| 13:14:35 | pondlife | JdGordon: ? |
| 13:15:01 | JdGordon | DRAMORIG and DRAMSIZE arnt defined for apps :( and i dont really want to add more hacks than necassery |
| 13:17:21 | JdGordon | amiconn: how would I go about getting a value into a register and then out again? |
| 13:17:32 | * | JdGordon was hopiong to not have to touch asm for this |
| 13:18:07 | amiconn | Well, you need to |
| 13:19:28 | JdGordon | ... how? |
| 13:21:00 | amiconn | linuxstb: Seems that the lcd type in the color lcd driver is both an interface and a type indicator |
| 13:21:20 | amiconn | type 0 has different commands; would be helpful to find out the controller type |
| 13:22:24 | linuxstb | My Color has a type 1 LCD. I remember when I first bought it, the LCD wasn't work, but someone in IPL figured it out. Before it was fixed, I seem to recall the LCD driver could write to a small rectangle in the LCD... |
| 13:22:54 | amiconn | type 1 is HD66789R - the same controller as in the H300 |
| 13:23:54 | amiconn | The lcd in the H10 is controlled like type 1, but is a HD66773R (like X5) in the fullsize, and a TL1771 in the small H10 |
| 13:24:15 | amiconn | So the commands are different, but the interface is the same |
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| 13:24:59 | * | amiconn is quite sure the clock speedup will work on the fullsize H10, but wants to see it tested before commit |
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| 13:28:24 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you know who has an ipod color with type 0 lcd? |
| 13:29:22 | * | amiconn thinks the lcd speedup will improve battery runtime as it significantly decreases boost ratio during playback |
| 13:30:06 | * | amiconn also thinks it shouldn't be hard to implement lcd sleep for ipod color (type 1 lcd only, unless someone finds out what controller type 0 is) and H10 small |
| 13:30:16 | amiconn | (H10 large already has that) |
| 13:30:59 | JdGordon | http://www.ethernut.de/en/documents/arm-inline-asm.html says r0 is the first function argument. does that mean I can change main(void) to main(void*) and so only have to worry about putting the write value there before its called? |
| 13:31:26 | amiconn | No, since main isn't called directly by the bootloader |
| 13:31:44 | JdGordon | ok |
| 13:31:52 | amiconn | YOu need to hack into crt0 |
| 13:32:15 | linuxstb | amiconn: The only other person I know with a Color is (I think) hcs. I don't know which LCD he has. |
| 13:32:47 | amiconn | Hmm. This should be displayed under 'View HW Info' imo |
| 13:33:33 | * | amiconn wonders whether he'll manage to rewrite 3 lcd drivers in parallel, with only one of 4 targets available locally for testing |
| 13:34:12 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, I'll add it. I'm also cleaning up a very old hack of mine which passes the ipod_hw_rev (which is read from flash) from the bootloader to main Rockbox via a memory location in SDRAM. Now Rockbox remaps flash, it can just be read in Rockbox. |
| 13:34:27 | amiconn | nice :) |
| 13:34:54 | * | amiconn still thinks the ipod OF doesn't remap ram as a whole |
| 13:35:06 | amiconn | Only a small part of ram seems to be mapped to 0x0 |
| 13:35:23 | linuxstb | Any suggestions for where a #define for that memory location (IPOD_HW_REVISION) could live? |
| 13:36:10 | amiconn | hmm |
| 13:36:19 | linuxstb | system-target.h ? |
| 13:36:44 | amiconn | For the archoses we still have hwcompat.h; i wonder how this could be target treeified |
| 13:37:12 | amiconn | In fact it's not different from the HW_MASK in archos, which is also read from rom |
| 13:39:37 | amiconn | Displaying the hw revision should be #ifdef IPOD_ARCH |
| 13:39:50 | * | amiconn gets an odd hardware revision on H10 |
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| 13:45:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: As we know that type 1 is HD66789R, we could reprogram the directions in order to match type 0 |
| 13:46:01 | amiconn | (no longer x and y juggling) |
| 13:46:35 | amiconn | However, I don't know what the OF will do when booted from a bootloader that does this |
| 13:46:48 | * | amiconn remembers the mirrored OF on ipod mini |
| 13:47:10 | amiconn | We could undo this change when booting the OF |
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| 13:49:24 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes, I'll add some ipod #ifdefs in the debug screen as well. |
| 13:49:52 | * | amiconn is puzzled about line 224 in lcd-color_nano.c |
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| 13:50:30 | amiconn | The directions are already matched, just the nano is different from the color |
| 13:51:18 | amiconn | It's still quite messy though |
| 13:53:16 | linuxstb | BTW, I remember davidc (I think) coming here to mention a bug in the IPL version of the type 0 lcd_update_rect. But he didn't give any details, and I wasn't around at the time to ask him for more info... So I don't know if our driver has that bug, but afaik no-one has reported lcd issues. |
| 13:55:06 | antgel | linuxstb: yep, all working great, and thanks for the unicode (hebrew names read LTR in iriver firmware) |
| 13:55:55 | linuxstb | amiconn: It was courtc - see around 17.55.26 in http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20070418.txt |
| 13:56:17 | DerPapst | no one has reported any issues on the iPL forums as well. |
| 13:56:20 | linuxstb | amiconn: But there was no subsequent commits from him fixing it in the kernel... |
| 13:56:33 | DerPapst | maybe is is sored out already? |
| 13:57:53 | linuxstb | antgel: Glad it's fixed. |
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| 14:00:37 | DerPapst | seems not :) |
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| 14:11:03 | JdGordon | new plan.... would writing to some semi-random position in RAM work reasonably well? i.e about 0x100000 which is hopefull 1mb in? |
| 14:12:34 | amiconn | Most probably not |
| 14:12:49 | amiconn | Could be overwritten by nearly everything |
| 14:13:06 | amiconn | Also keep in mind that you might need to pass on the bootloader version on rolo |
| 14:13:09 | JdGordon | it would be grabbed in app_main() so nothing else would have the chance |
| 14:13:31 | * | amiconn still isn't convinced that the bootloader version needs to be passed around at all |
| 14:13:35 | JdGordon | forgot about that one |
| 14:13:45 | JdGordon | its not essential, but it would be nice |
| 14:13:53 | linuxstb | It _would_ have been nice... |
| 14:14:16 | DerPapst | especially for support questions |
| 14:14:30 | XavierGr | yay success, it seems that my hub usb port couldn't deliver enough amps to H115 for both HD and green light charging |
| 14:15:37 | JdGordon | ... unless i target tree it and dont try to do it in a generic fasion? |
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| 14:23:02 | lxx | hi all |
| 14:23:52 | PaulJam | JdGordon: i was just wondering, are you going to fix the behaviour when holding left in filetree/database or should i open a bugreport for that? |
| 14:24:08 | lxx | why if i change sennings in rockbox after i reboot ipod Apple OS starts not Rockbox what i need to do for Rockbox starts every time after rebooting ipod? |
| 14:24:48 | JdGordon | PaulJam: ok, i'll have a look now |
| 14:25:02 | JdGordon | I dont know if that feature will actually be able to stay though... |
| 14:25:19 | linuxstb | lxx: The Apple firmware will start if you either have the hold switch on or the MENU key held as your ipod boots. |
| 14:26:02 | linuxstb | lxx: Also, when you turn off your ipod in the Apple firmware, it doesn't actually turn off, it just sleeps. So turning it back on just wakes up the Apple firmware - the bootloader is never run. |
| 14:26:07 | PaulJam | I would miss it, but i guess i can live without it. it's propably just a matter of getting used to it. |
| 14:26:26 | JdGordon | no, ill see what i can do, it really is a nice feature to have |
| 14:26:31 | JdGordon | specially for the blind |
| 14:26:57 | lxx | but in Rockbox manual wrote i need turn on my ipod with select and menu button ? |
| 14:28:35 | * | JdGordon wonders how the heck that actually worked |
| 14:31:51 | pondlife | Is a long left meant to return to the browser root? Or the main menu? |
| 14:32:02 | JdGordon | browser root |
| 14:32:30 | lxx | what instal to see this option http://ipodlinux.org/Image:Loader2-5g.JPG ? |
| 14:33:01 | bluebrother | lxx: the rockbox bootloader doesn't have a boot menu |
| 14:33:08 | DerPapst | this is ipodlinux boorloader called Loader 2 |
| 14:33:10 | bluebrother | and IPL's Loader2 isn't supported by Rockbox |
| 14:33:21 | bluebrother | you can use that to load Rockbox, but it's not supported here. |
| 14:33:25 | DerPapst | but you can use it to launch rockbox |
| 14:33:52 | bluebrother | but unless you want to use IPL there is no need to use Loader2 |
| 14:34:04 | bluebrother | in fact you can also boot IPL with Rockbox' bootloader ;-) |
| 14:34:52 | JdGordon | PaulJam: fixed, cleaning up then commit |
| 14:35:09 | PaulJam | cool, thank you :) |
| 14:35:10 | * | JdGordon cant belive that actually worked, this fix is how it should have been from the start |
| 14:37:15 | JdGordon | fix in svn |
| 14:37:35 | lxx | <bluebrother> and how i can boot IPL with rockbox bootloader? |
| 14:38:25 | bluebrother | put the kernel to the FAT32 partition root with the filename "linux.bin" |
| 14:39:11 | lxx | and the how i can choose betwean OS`s? |
| 14:39:16 | * | DerPapst would never use the rb bootloader to boot ipl... |
| 14:39:26 | bluebrother | then hold Play while booting |
| 14:40:08 | * | bluebrother only used Rockbox bootloader for booting IPL |
| 14:41:06 | lxx | and what i see next the same menu like on picture or what? |
| 14:41:16 | bluebrother | you won't see any menu |
| 14:41:32 | bluebrother | as I already said, the Rockbox bootloader doesn't have a boot menu |
| 14:43:22 | DerPapst | if you want a menu you have to use Loader 2 |
| 14:43:32 | JdGordon | should the default number of sides for dice be 6? |
| 14:43:45 | * | JdGordon thinks 20 is too high |
| 14:44:52 | amar | i thought 6 was the number on most dice |
| 14:45:11 | amar | 10 would also be a good choice |
| 14:48:02 | linuxstb | DerPapst: Do you know anything about the "sysinfo" struct used by loader2? IIUC, it's a struct stored at the end of IRAM and is used by Apple to pass info from the bootloader to the main firmware. It could well explain why we've never managed to get rolo to load the Apple firmware in Rockbox... |
| 14:48:30 | linuxstb | I've just dumped IRAM from the Rockbox bootloader, and it appears to be populated with that struct at the end. |
| 14:49:40 | DerPapst | no sorry. i don't know much about the internals of loader 2. |
| 14:49:50 | JdGordon | amar: I'm just adding config saving to dice, then ill commit your patch |
| 14:50:45 | amar | thanks |
| 14:51:14 | lxx | Rockbox working with kensington Digital FM Transmitter ? |
| 14:51:15 | * | amar wonders if 2 lines is worth calling a patch |
| 14:51:40 | DerPapst | there have been smaller patches ;) |
| 14:52:05 | DerPapst | changing only one symbol :P |
| 14:52:43 | * | Nico_P just spotted FS #7476 |
| 14:53:18 | Nico_P | I like the idea |
| 14:54:20 | JdGordon | more bloat :p |
| 14:56:46 | Nico_P | I don't think it would take up much code |
| 14:57:47 | lxx | Rockbox and ipodlinux its only two alternative OSs for ipod or exist any other alternative OSs? |
| 14:58:11 | amar | out of curiosity if in future I find a bug then also write a fix should I regester a bug or a patch? |
| 14:58:42 | JdGordon | as a patch |
| 14:59:18 | amar | thanks - will remember that for future |
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| 15:00:56 | DerPapst | lxx: there is another one but it isn't publich and i doubt it will be ever made public |
| 15:02:46 | lxx | what the name of that os? and what that os can ? what functions? |
| 15:03:52 | DerPapst | it's called ccOS and it is similar to the linux kernel. but i think the author just made it for the challenge. |
| 15:05:21 | lxx | ññOS suport Flac or APE ? |
| 15:05:37 | XavierGr | some GPIOs are listed as unasigned on the wiki page for the H100, does that mean that someone could utilize them for signals writing the proper code? |
| 15:07:40 | DerPapst | ññOS? if you mean ccOS then no. Its just a kernel. iirc it doesn't even have any audio drivers nor button drivers. only an lcd driver for nano and photo/color and a not working one for 5G/5.5G |
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| 15:11:54 | lxx | rockbox support uploading files and listen at the same time without usb unplug? |
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| 15:13:11 | linuxstb | lxx: No - Rockbox isn't running when the ipod is connected to your computer via USB. |
| 15:13:53 | lxx | ipodlinux can do that? |
| 15:14:10 | linuxstb | lxx: No - ipodlinux isn't running when the ipod is connected to your computer via USB. |
| 15:14:41 | JdGordon | Nico_P: ok, just reread that task, and yeah that will lead to some pretty crazy wps' |
| 15:14:46 | markun | lxx: but austriancoder is working on making it possible with rockbox |
| 15:15:23 | linuxstb | markun: But that's unlikely to allow simultaneous access to the disk by both the computer and Rockbox... |
| 15:15:25 | Nico_P | JdGordon: could be quite nice but I don't think the cost is too high |
| 15:15:38 | JdGordon | that but shouldnt be there then |
| 15:15:38 | Nico_P | I'll try writing the patch |
| 15:16:11 | lxx | markun and when it can be possible? |
| 15:16:21 | Nico_P | JdGordon: sorry, what do you mean ? |
| 15:16:32 | PaulJam | lxx: even when rockbox has its own USB implementation i could imagine that it would be problematic to support that. because what would happen if for exanple rockbox and the computer are accessing/modifying the same file on the harddrive? |
| 15:16:53 | JdGordon | Nico_P: you said "but i dont think the cost is too high", that but shouldnt be there... |
| 15:17:16 | DerPapst | lxx: infact i haven't seen any dap that supports that in its OF |
| 15:17:45 | Nico_P | JdGordon: ah yes I wasn't very clear... I meant that it's a good idea that probably won't be too costly |
| 15:17:46 | PaulJam | oh,i didn't read linuxstbs answer. |
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| 15:19:58 | markun | DerPapst: but that alone wouldn't be a reason for rockbox not to support it of course |
| 15:20:07 | JdGordon | Nico_P: its not just a matter of adding a new tag for it and basically copying the WPS_TOKEN_VOLUME case inget_token_value is it? |
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| 15:20:15 | markun | linuxstb: yes, could be problematic |
| 15:20:15 | Jessica | Hi All. Just started playing with RB. You all did a nice job! |
| 15:20:24 | markun | thanks Jessica! |
| 15:20:34 | Nico_P | JdGordon: it's not much more complicated than that |
| 15:20:39 | markun | Jessica: which player do you have? |
| 15:20:47 | Nico_P | JdGordon: although I'd say it's closer to the battery percentage tag |
| 15:21:05 | Jessica | quick question. I've built a huge playlist. (1600+ songs) (markun: old archos recorder) |
| 15:21:10 | Nico_P | I'm thinking of adding a "progress percentage" tag that can be used in a conditional |
| 15:21:32 | Jessica | I get a bit o lag between songs. is that just cuz of the size of the playlist on this old player? |
| 15:22:08 | DerPapst | markun: it would be a neat feature indeed. but i already hear some devs complaining that it is either a PITA to implement or bloat ;) |
| 15:23:20 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Have you looked at the patch that supports partial bitmaps in the WPS? |
| 15:23:39 | Nico_P | linuxstb: no :( I like the idea but never got round to looking at the patch |
| 15:24:02 | linuxstb | Do I remember correctly that it doesn't solve the 52 images problem? |
| 15:24:13 | linuxstb | Or does it... |
| 15:24:38 | Nico_P | depends what you consider as a proper solution to it :) |
| 15:24:51 | Jessica | actually, for a bit of clarity on my prev question, the lag happens when I skip to the next song, not simply when a song ends and goes to the next song. |
| 15:24:53 | linuxstb | Some of the SVN WPSs are now missing codec icons, and there aren't enough free image slots to add them. |
| 15:25:16 | Nico_P | well then it solves it |
| 15:25:24 | Nico_P | but for that issue I even prefer the other patch |
| 15:25:35 | Nico_P | (which I haven't looked at either) |
| 15:25:41 | DerPapst | heh |
| 15:25:41 | linuxstb | What did that do? |
| 15:26:18 | linuxstb | Jessica: Are you saying that when you manually skip to the next song, there's a delay, but when the song ends naturally there is no delay? |
| 15:26:34 | Nico_P | linuxstb: FS #7345: Enumerated image sets for WPS |
| 15:26:34 | Jessica | linuxstb: yes |
| 15:27:17 | linuxstb | Jessica: That just sounds like the fact that Rockbox needs to spin up the hard disk to load the next song. When songs end naturally, the next track should have been pre-buffered. |
| 15:27:26 | * | Nico_P can't find a good tag for the track elapsed percentage |
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| 15:27:35 | Jessica | ahhh! ok! |
| 15:27:39 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Switch to XML ;) |
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| 15:27:45 | Jessica | tyvm, linuxstb |
| 15:27:48 | Nico_P | lol |
| 15:27:58 | Nico_P | now that's bloat :) |
| 15:29:10 | DerPapst | does this tags always have to be 2 digits? |
| 15:29:26 | DerPapst | *do these |
| 15:30:13 | DerPapst | i shoudl have paid more attention in my english classes ~5 years ago :-/ |
| 15:31:24 | Nico_P | DerPapst: you mean two chars ? |
| 15:31:30 | DerPapst | yes |
| 15:31:40 | DerPapst | or could there be 3 also? |
| 15:31:42 | Jessica | Can I delete all the langs out of the \.rockbox\langs folder except english to save space? Also, can I delete unwanted plugins? |
| 15:31:49 | Nico_P | DerPapst: it could be anything really |
| 15:32:11 | linuxstb | Jessica: Yes, but it's a pain as you'll need to do that each time you update Rockbox. Is your hard disk that full? |
| 15:32:15 | DerPapst | how about pcp then (last p for percent) :P |
| 15:32:21 | Nico_P | DerPapst: the old WPS code made it hard to have more than two, but now it could be anything |
| 15:32:35 | Jessica | linuxstb... no, I'm just cheap! |
| 15:33:19 | Nico_P | DerPapst: I like it :) |
| 15:33:33 | Jessica | btw, the dictionary plugin choked when I tried to run it. Shame, cuz I'm a big scrabble geek |
| 15:33:45 | DerPapst | heh :-P |
| 15:37:32 | lxx | what font in rockbox support russian? |
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| 15:38:16 | DerPapst | lxx: probably the unicode ones |
| 15:38:31 | amiconn | pcp sounds like a chemical substnce... |
| 15:38:39 | bicurious | Hi, I'm trying to install rockbox and the documentation says to use the specific manual but there's no link for 5.5g ipods. Is there a manual I just don't see? |
| 15:39:16 | linuxstb | bicurious: Use the ipod video manual - Rockbox doesn't differentiate between the 5g and 5.5g |
| 15:39:17 | bicurious | or alternately will the 4g instructions work on 5.5g |
| 15:39:22 | bicurious | ok thanks |
| 15:39:32 | DerPapst | there is a nice info page on the wiki which lists all the fonts that support different char sets. dunno the link |
| 15:39:36 | PaulJam | lxx: you can find detailed informations about the fonts here: rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ |
| 15:39:59 | linuxstb | lxx: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts |
| 15:40:00 | markun | lxx: and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts |
| 15:40:02 | markun | damn :) |
| 15:40:05 | * | linuxstb wins |
| 15:40:14 | DerPapst | haha |
| 15:40:27 | * | markun shouldn't drink beer while at work |
| 15:41:00 | bicurious | Ok thanks. Does anyone know if any stability issues with 5.5g have been adressed since it came out? I was encountering a lot of freezes of the navigation requiring hard resets. |
| 15:41:35 | linuxstb | When did you experience those freezes? |
| 15:42:30 | bicurious | It was specifically when I'd play a song, set the player on 'hold' and then listen to a few songs |
| 15:42:49 | bicurious | I believe this was a release within the first week of the 5.5g release |
| 15:43:50 | DerPapst | there have been made some stability changes to rockbox lately. |
| 15:44:06 | bicurious | Ok cool |
| 15:44:12 | DerPapst | best would be to try it out again and see if it still happens |
| 15:44:21 | bicurious | Putting some mp3s on it now |
| 15:44:28 | bicurious | (freshly rma'd 80gb) |
| 15:47:25 | JdGordon | linuxstb: the hack you just removed, could that be used for what I want? |
| 15:53:49 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I guess so - as long as it doesn't look like a hack... |
| 15:53:51 | lxx | i have flac file with cue file in cue file track names wrote on Russian what i need to do for Rockbox start understand Russian symbols? |
| 15:55:48 | PaulJam | lxx: have you set the proper codepage in the settings? |
| 15:56:07 | lxx | where is it? |
| 15:57:07 | PaulJam | settings => general settings => display => codepage |
| 15:57:49 | lxx | i need set unicode or Russian? |
| 15:58:15 | PaulJam | try and see what works |
| 15:59:38 | PaulJam | it propably depends on the encoding used in the .cue file. |
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| 16:00:20 | markun | lxx: it depends on the encoding of your tags |
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| 16:04:50 | Nico_P | DerPapst: actually what I said isn't quite true... three letter tags require increasing the "name" field for the token struct, which results in a non-negligible binsize increase |
| 16:05:02 | lxx | i dont but nothing help |
| 16:05:14 | Nico_P | a two-letter tag would be better |
| 16:05:36 | lxx | and mp3`s files with russian names symbols dont recognized |
| 16:08:05 | PaulJam | Nico_P: is it really important that the two letters make sense? one propably has to look up the tags in the wiki anyway. |
| 16:08:24 | Nico_P | PaulJam: not really... maybe a new tag isn't necessary anyway |
| 16:09:12 | * | GodEater_ posts a photo from DevConPub 2 - The Revenge |
| 16:09:39 | Nico_P | ok i'll be %px |
| 16:09:48 | Nico_P | *it'll |
| 16:11:43 | JdGordon | GodEater_: hahahaha |
| 16:12:04 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: I let him win. Honest. |
| 16:12:06 | GodEater_ | ;) |
| 16:12:49 | markun | lxx: which font did you select? |
| 16:13:12 | markun | The file names should always show up correctly with the right font |
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| 16:17:04 | Nico_P | oh crap I forgot to trim down the lines before I committed |
| 16:17:39 | linuxstb | Nico_P: "Ooops" is the word to use... |
| 16:17:57 | Nico_P | :) |
| 16:18:00 | JdGordon | :'( why is this so simple and wont bloody work for me |
| 16:18:02 | lxx | i try all fonts |
| 16:18:12 | lxx | and no one work correctly |
| 16:19:06 | markun | lxx: which OS do you use on you computer? |
| 16:19:43 | lxx | windows xp |
| 16:19:52 | Nico_P | lol @ GodEater_'s photo |
| 16:19:56 | Nico_P | who won ? :) |
| 16:20:13 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: see above |
| 16:20:35 | markun | lxx: if explorer shows the files in russian on your player they should also show up fine with for example unifont |
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| 16:20:46 | Nico_P | GodEater_: isn't that linuxstb on the photo ? |
| 16:21:15 | markun | lxx: what do you see? little squares or something very different? |
| 16:21:22 | GodEater_ | no that's definiltely pondlife |
| 16:21:51 | * | Nico_P thought it was pondlife vs. linuxstb |
| 16:21:52 | GodEater_ | *definitely |
| 16:21:54 | DerPapst | ahahahaa that photo is just cool :D |
| 16:21:57 | roolku | Slasheri: are you around? |
| 16:22:05 | GodEater_ | no it's pondlife vs. me |
| 16:22:18 | pondlife | I won! |
| 16:22:21 | markun | so nice to see faces :) |
| 16:22:22 | Nico_P | GodEater_: I must've been confused by the photo at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10916.msg87135#msg87135 |
| 16:22:36 | Nico_P | GodEater_: I confused you with linuxstb, sorry |
| 16:22:41 | GodEater_ | hehe np |
| 16:22:56 | GodEater_ | pondlife: you must have won - you have a t-shirt and mug right ? :) |
| 16:23:05 | pondlife | Exactly |
| 16:23:22 | pondlife | The mug is only slightly too small for digestive dunking. |
| 16:23:26 | pondlife | The T-shirt is fine |
| 16:23:27 | GodEater_ | shame |
| 16:23:34 | GodEater_ | ginger nuts work ok ? |
| 16:23:42 | pondlife | Not been to get them yet. |
| 16:23:46 | pondlife | Will post an update |
| 16:23:56 | GodEater_ | I shall await it with eafer anticipation |
| 16:24:00 | GodEater_ | eager even |
| 16:24:08 | pondlife | Well, you could test that function. |
| 16:24:16 | GodEater_ | I also lack ginger nuts |
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| 16:25:18 | Nico_P | did you guys discuss any rockbox-related topics ? |
| 16:25:20 | GodEater_ | I'm keen to hear whether the issues with playback.c you highlighted last night have been fixed yet pondlife ? ;) |
| 16:25:29 | pondlife | lol |
| 16:25:40 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: oh yes - pondlife waxed lyrical about how much he looooooves playback.c |
| 16:25:49 | Nico_P | hehe :) |
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| 16:26:03 | GodEater_ | and how "Metadata on Buffer" will never work |
| 16:26:04 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 16:26:11 | pondlife | Nico_P: Yes, we discussed how fundamentally important your rework of playback is to the future of Rockbox. No pressure, then. |
| 16:26:18 | GodEater_ | hahahaha |
| 16:26:42 | pondlife | Help us Nico P Kenobi. you're our only hope... |
| 16:26:47 | Nico_P | no pressure at all :) |
| 16:26:51 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: pondlife also stated that apprently playback is full of bugs. linuxstb and I failed to believe him, and claimed it always worked for us. |
| 16:27:04 | GodEater_ | which it does |
| 16:27:06 | DerPapst | ouch... poor Nico_P :P |
| 16:27:07 | amar | can someone have a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5809 |
| 16:27:10 | pondlife | Then stripwax produced a reproducible Codec Failure"! |
| 16:27:12 | amar | it is the only patch that I opened that is still open |
| 16:27:15 | lxx | how install new wps ? |
| 16:27:29 | JdGordon | the "reset all devices" the sansa does in system_init(), does that reset the ram also? or just everything else? |
| 16:27:34 | Slasheri | roolku: hi |
| 16:27:39 | linuxstb | pondlife: Only by using obscure options... |
| 16:27:42 | GodEater_ | pondlife: yes that was interesting. Who's wokring on fixing it ? |
| 16:27:47 | roolku | Hi Slasheri :) |
| 16:27:54 | pondlife | Nico_P! |
| 16:28:06 | roolku | Slasheri: I am trying to understand your queueing commit |
| 16:28:07 | Nico_P | btw, are there any other photos so we can see all of you ? |
| 16:28:16 | pondlife | Hopefully not. |
| 16:28:21 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: there are - but they're dreadful |
| 16:28:25 | Nico_P | pity |
| 16:28:29 | GodEater_ | I'm really not keen on posting them |
| 16:28:34 | pondlife | Good |
| 16:28:37 | roolku | Slasheri: am I right you can now only change the rating once all tracks have been buffered? |
| 16:28:51 | GodEater_ | besides, the only person you've not got a picture of is stripwax |
| 16:28:59 | GodEater_ | and he has a pic of himself on his profile in the forums |
| 16:29:01 | roolku | Slasheri: i.e. once id3->tagcache_idx has been set? |
| 16:29:04 | GodEater_ | so you don't need one |
| 16:29:09 | Nico_P | true |
| 16:29:26 | Slasheri | roolku: yes, correct. that is to prevent disappearing of ratings or overwriting of them |
| 16:29:30 | JdGordon | amar: both looks fine, ill commit tomorow unless im beaten to it... too tired now |
| 16:29:45 | Slasheri | so system prevents changing the rating at all unless all preconditions are met |
| 16:29:50 | pondlife | OK, we have 43 "Music playback" bugs logged at the moment... not all of which are strictly playback related. |
| 16:29:53 | amar | no problem thanks |
| 16:29:57 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?string=&project=1&search_name=&type%5B%5D=2&sev%5B%5D=&pri%5B%5D=&due%5B%5D=&reported%5B%5D=&cat%5B%5D=11&status%5B%5D=open&percent%5B%5D=&opened=&dev=&closed=&duedatefrom=&duedateto=&changedfrom=&changedto=&openedfrom=&openedto=&closedfrom=&closedto=&do=index |
| 16:30:10 | pondlife | Oops, long URL - sorry. |
| 16:30:15 | roolku | Slasheri: but that stops me from skipping through my songs and rating them :( |
| 16:30:36 | Slasheri | roolku: hmm.. then that must be a problem with the playback engine |
| 16:30:41 | roolku | Slasheri: I never experienced any lost ratings - under what conditions does that happen? |
| 16:31:13 | Slasheri | roolku: in fact that is a bug in playback engine as well, but on end of playlist, it does not create buffer events for first track at least |
| 16:31:28 | Slasheri | and when unbuffer events is received, ratings of that track is lost |
| 16:31:51 | roolku | Slasheri: hm |
| 16:32:03 | Slasheri | so i really think nothing should be updated in the db unless tagcache_idx is set (id3 entry is valid) |
| 16:32:47 | * | JdGordon slaps Nico_P with his 11bytes of utter bloat! |
| 16:32:51 | Slasheri | and we could set up that earlier indeed, it would just require modifying of the playback code |
| 16:33:15 | roolku | Slasheri: well, I checked for rating!=0 (i.e. user has set the rating in the id3 tag) before overwriting it from the tagcache info |
| 16:33:36 | GodEater_ | pondlife: 5797 looks like the one stripwax demonstrated to us |
| 16:33:52 | * | Nico_P is starting to work on the XML parser for the NextGen WPS system ! |
| 16:33:54 | roolku | Slasheri: this check is still there, but it is not qued to be updated anymore |
| 16:33:54 | pondlife | Yes |
| 16:34:04 | Slasheri | roolku: yes, but if rating was never read in (it's 0 in id3 struct), then we will overwrite a valid rating with that 0 |
| 16:34:06 | Nico_P | screw MoB, that's useless ! |
| 16:34:11 | Slasheri | and that happened to me a lot |
| 16:34:15 | DerPapst | haha |
| 16:34:17 | Slasheri | in fact i lost all my ratings :D |
| 16:34:59 | roolku | Slasheri: huh? that sounds bad |
| 16:35:08 | * | roolku quickly backs up his ratings |
| 16:35:16 | Slasheri | it was.. now i can actually use that feature :) |
| 16:35:39 | Slasheri | and no need to skip to next track either if i want to a new rating to be saved |
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| 16:35:56 | Slasheri | and writing back stats is now a lot faster |
| 16:36:14 | Slasheri | because there is no need to do tagcache_searches for individual tracks |
| 16:36:37 | roolku | Slasheri: I see the advantage, but was wondering if set ratings (!=0) could still be saved in the unbuffer event? |
| 16:36:44 | pondlife | Hmm, how did http://build.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-20070725T104440Z.html increase the binary size so much?? |
| 16:37:00 | * | pondlife thinks that table may be out of sync... |
| 16:37:38 | pixelma | well TiMiD's commit before decreased it by the same amount before... |
| 16:37:43 | amiconn | pondlife: TiMiD[FD]'s commit (with the reversed versions) decreased it by the same amount |
| 16:37:44 | pondlife | Indeed |
| 16:37:56 | roolku | Slasheri: the ones that have been set before the buffer event completed |
| 16:38:00 | * | DerPapst just wanted to mentioni that too |
| 16:38:02 | pondlife | But it also shouldn't have made that much difference. |
| 16:38:07 | DerPapst | too slow as always :P |
| 16:38:12 | Slasheri | need to go now but back soon -> |
| 16:38:55 | pixelma | and I even had time to add a second useless "before" to my sentence ;) |
| 16:39:17 | roolku | Slasheri: no prob - nice talking to you again. |
| 16:40:02 | bluebrother | song progress percentage? Do we really need such a thing? |
| 16:40:32 | JdGordon | of course! |
| 16:40:50 | * | bluebrother considers this a useless feature |
| 16:40:58 | DerPapst | no way |
| 16:41:02 | * | amiconn would rather like to see a MoB progress percentage |
| 16:41:03 | JdGordon | shock horrror! |
| 16:43:00 | * | amar wonders what MoB progress percentage does |
| 16:43:38 | DerPapst | ~34,64% |
| 16:44:10 | JdGordon | it raises everyones expectations... |
| 16:44:45 | GodEater_ | hahaha |
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| 16:45:39 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I think it can allow a bit more flexibility to WPS creators for a cheap cost |
| 16:47:13 | JdGordon | ones the ppl on the forum figure out how to use it, expect some really funky progress bars |
| 16:47:36 | JdGordon | except there arnt enough bmps alpwd in the wps to make it smooth enough |
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| 16:48:49 | Nico_P | JdGordon: there are two patches out there that should help with that |
| 16:48:53 | GodEater_ | unless that "cutting bmps up into smaller ones in the wps" patch makes it in there |
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| 16:49:10 | JdGordon | Nico_P: yeah, but will either of them be commited? |
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| 16:49:37 | Nico_P | I plan on looking at them closely one of these days |
| 16:50:13 | JdGordon | :) |
| 16:50:16 | JdGordon | bed time for me |
| 16:50:18 | JdGordon | cya |
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| 16:50:27 | bluebrother | in that case, a "show partial bmp" would make more sense. Something the progress bar already can do ;-) |
| 16:50:39 | iwantanimac | Hi all. Haven't been on in a while. Is there any reason the current SVN build would be stopping playing a video halfway through? |
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| 17:12:40 | amiconn | urgs |
| 17:13:11 | Nico_P | amiconn: what ? |
| 17:13:28 | amiconn | The midi player plugin struggles on H10, as the sample rate is set to 44.1kHz now |
| 17:13:53 | amiconn | And outputting 'buffer miss' to the screen if it can't keep up makes the effect worse |
| 17:14:24 | amiconn | Some simple midi files do work |
| 17:14:57 | amiconn | s/simple/very simple/ |
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| 17:17:35 | Nico_P | amiconn: how come it struggles ? |
| 17:17:58 | amiconn | Well, it can't keep up synthesizing |
| 17:18:16 | Nico_P | so it's the CPU that's too slow ? |
| 17:18:21 | amiconn | linuxstb: Does mpegplayer boost all the time, or does it unboost if limit fps kicks in |
| 17:18:23 | DerPapst | same on the ipod video. esp. the light show you get when backlight fades of :D |
| 17:18:52 | DerPapst | *off |
| 17:18:56 | amiconn | Video is completely smooth now on H10 small (I get >36fps without limit & skip) |
| 17:19:09 | amiconn | (not yet committed the optimisation) |
| 17:19:23 | * | amiconn waits for arathis, or another H10 large user |
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| 17:22:12 | Nico_P | amiconn: did you find the fix for the crashes ? |
| 17:22:56 | amiconn | looks like I did |
| 17:23:07 | Nico_P | cool :) |
| 17:23:20 | amiconn | Also not committed yet; Arathis wanted to test during the day and report back in the evening |
| 17:24:05 | Nico_P | tomorrow I'll have an H10 5GB at hand if that can help with the testing |
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| 17:28:59 | amiconn | linuxstb: Is it normal that I still get HW version == 0xffffffff on G5.5? |
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| 17:31:57 | Nico_P | bluebrother: have you made progress on rbutilQt ? |
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| 18:12:52 | webguest30 | Hello |
| 18:12:59 | webguest30 | Hello? |
| 18:13:11 | webguest30 | Ggf |
| 18:13:15 | webguest30 | Hello? |
| 18:13:40 | pixelma | patience - and if you have a specific question, just ask |
| 18:13:55 | webguest30 | I just came here to ask a quick question. |
| 18:14:40 | webguest30 | Sorry about the first bit. My client was lagging and what I typed didn't show up. |
| 18:14:56 | pixelma | it'd be even quicker if you'd just ask away ;) |
| 18:15:56 | webguest30 | Ok ^^'' |
| 18:16:12 | webguest30 | You have probably heard this a million times. |
| 18:16:22 | webguest30 | What are the advantages of rockbox? |
| 18:16:48 | dionoea | the name sounds cool |
| 18:17:00 | DerPapst | haha |
| 18:18:36 | pixelma | webguest30: that's a bit subjective, depends a bit on your player and your expectations... maybe this is a good read for you http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=WhyRockbox |
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| 18:25:34 | alienbiker99 | pixelma, yes i have an h10 |
| 18:26:14 | pixelma | alienbiker99: amiconn was looking around for a tester with a 20GB H10 |
| 18:26:33 | alienbiker99 | id have to find it, does he still need a tesrer? |
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| 18:27:05 | pixelma | I think so, but hopefully mentioning him will get him here |
| 18:27:19 | pixelma | so he can tell you more |
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| 18:33:50 | webguest30 | Can somone give me a link on how to install please. |
| 18:34:00 | alienbiker99 | ok |
| 18:34:07 | markun | webguest30: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 18:34:27 | amiconn | alienbiker99: It would be nice if you could test something for me. It's not yet committed though |
| 18:34:40 | lxx | what video formats support rockbox? |
| 18:34:48 | DerPapst | mpeg 1 and 2 |
| 18:34:48 | alienbiker99 | ok sure, let me find my h10 and cable |
| 18:35:01 | lxx | mp4? |
| 18:35:02 | markun | lxx: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
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| 18:35:14 | amiconn | Do you want a patch so you can build yourself, or should I prepare the build(s)? |
| 18:35:50 | alienbiker99 | it would be great if you you could prepare the build |
| 18:36:58 | amiconn | Okay. The first test (only including the crash fix) can be done with the same build I made for Arathis |
| 18:37:17 | alienbiker99 | ok, itll be about 25-30 minutes before i can get the h10 though |
| 18:37:21 | amiconn | It's still up, http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/rockbox-h10.zip |
| 18:37:26 | amiconn | ok |
| 18:37:34 | alienbiker99 | ill download what you just sent me |
| 18:38:09 | amiconn | Basically I want you to run the test_fps plugin (not included in normal builds) both with the cpu unboosted and boosted, and tell me the results |
| 18:38:40 | amiconn | After that I'll prepare another build, where you should do the same. |
| 18:38:57 | alienbiker99 | ok, how do i change between unboosted and boosted |
| 18:39:17 | amiconn | Just start test_fps after boot, then the cpu should be unboosted |
| 18:39:35 | amiconn | test_fps will display the cpu clock as well, should be 30MHz |
| 18:40:38 | amiconn | Then you leave the plugin, go to Debug->CPU frequency, increase the boost counter to 1, leave the debug menu, and start the plugin again |
| 18:40:57 | amiconn | It should now measure a higher speed, and show the CPU clock being 78MHz |
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| 18:41:23 | amiconn | Either reboot afterwards, or go to Debug->CPU frequency again and reset the boost counter to 0 |
| 18:42:19 | alienbiker99 | ok, do i need to send you a log or anything? |
| 18:43:08 | amiconn | No, just tell me the (few) values the plugin displays for each run |
| 18:43:14 | alienbiker99 | ok |
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| 18:54:24 | bluebrother | Nico_P: sure :) Got a new tarball uploaded today |
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| 18:54:58 | bluebrother | Domonoky: want to check my latest changes? I think I'm reaching a state where I can put it to svn ;-) |
| 18:55:07 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I went back in the logs and found your websapce :) you seem to be making nice progress indeed |
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| 18:55:19 | Nico_P | SVN is good |
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| 18:56:54 | bluebrother | I'm just wondering where the best place to put it is. Maybe a subfolder in the existing rbutil module? |
| 18:57:25 | bluebrother | that way we could share common code |
| 18:57:29 | amiconn | hmm |
| 18:57:36 | amiconn | linuxstb? |
| 18:58:19 | AceNik | hey guys 2 problems with rockbox on the H10: 1.mpegplayer: after quiting from one video & playing the other causes a data abort at 0000IE 2. there are randm shutdowns in the player while playing music, not shutdowns but lockups, & the reset button comes to the rescue |
| 18:58:39 | amiconn | AceNik: Known, and a fix is in the works |
| 18:59:11 | AceNik | amiconn: thanks, is the first one known too ? |
| 18:59:25 | Nico_P | bluebrother: eventually you want rbutilQt to replace the curent rbutil, don't you ? |
| 18:59:33 | amiconn | I think they might be related |
| 18:59:44 | bluebrother | I think that was an idea behind it, yes. |
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| 19:00:18 | AceNik | amiconn: btw there is one thing i wanted to enquire if rockbox has a feature already can anyone else apply for a patent for that feature for their company, cause this is what apple is doing |
| 19:01:32 | alienbiker99 | patents are getting way out of hand these days |
| 19:02:07 | AceNik | amiconn: the sncviewer patch is currently doing very well, but apple has applied for a patent in the same for its players, will it still be possible for us to use this if apple succeeds? |
| 19:02:35 | Nico_P | bluebrother: a subfolder sounds good, but will it be easy to move up one level once it's complete enough to replace the current rbutil ? |
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| 19:04:22 | Febs | alienbiker99: in theory, one cannot obtain a patent for an invention that was “known or used by others in this country, or patented or described in a printed publication in this or a foreign country, before the invention thereof by the applicant for patent." |
| 19:04:45 | Febs | (the reference to "this country" means the United States) |
| 19:05:23 | GodEater | Febs: the "in theory" bit is the key point though :) |
| 19:05:25 | AceNik | but sncviewer is still a patch yet, rockbox hasnt included it yet , can there be a revolt to apple's patents from rockbox, & can they include this patch ? |
| 19:05:28 | alienbiker99 | yeah |
| 19:05:39 | bluebrother | I don't think moving should be a big issue |
| 19:06:10 | bluebrother | it could even stay in that subfolder (currently all files are in a subfolder too) and just add a project file to build from the top folder |
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| 19:08:17 | AceNik | guys the sncviewer has made loads of progress & is working brilliantly well, can we include it & revolt against apple's patent application |
| 19:09:03 | Nico_P | AceNik: would it need to be included ? can't the person who wrote the patch oppose to apple's patent application ? |
| 19:09:04 | Febs | I can't really comment on this specific patch as I am not familiar with it, but just looking at the language I quoted above, the test appears to be "known OR used." If the sncviewer is working, then it would appear to satisfy both of those criteria, regardless of whether it is officially included in Rockbox. |
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| 19:09:53 | alienbiker99 | but how do you go about opposing the patent |
| 19:09:56 | Nico_P | Febs: is there a way of preventing apple from getting the patent ? |
| 19:10:24 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I'd say go for it then :) |
| 19:10:29 | AceNik | all i mean to point is , rather than an individual making a scene, rockbox as a community should act on it, alienbiker99: if i knew i would have already done that |
| 19:10:51 | alienbiker99 | ah ok |
| 19:11:23 | AceNik | here is the patch : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7432?histring=snc |
| 19:11:48 | AceNik | & here is the patent application apple's applied for: http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/ipod-karaoke-patent-brings-fear-to-mass-transit-riders-280331.php |
| 19:13:06 | AceNik | i think the main authorities at rockbox would have enough strings to pull to stop this patent from going through, but tell me one thing, will we still be able to use this feature officially in rockbox even if apple succeeds? |
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| 19:15:16 | * | amiconn is puzzled by a detail of the ipod system_init() and neither dan_a nor linuxstb seem to be around :( |
| 19:16:05 | Arathis | amiconn: my player ist still running after more than eight hours. I'll just let it run out of battery to see how much the battery runtime improved |
| 19:16:20 | amiconn | Nice to hear :) |
| 19:16:51 | amiconn | I have some further tests to do on H10 20GB, but alienbiker99 is also around now... |
| 19:17:44 | Arathis | I will be around for about 3h |
| 19:18:21 | Nico_P | AceNik: any idea why isn't this plugin in SVN ? |
| 19:19:44 | AceNik | amiconn: if u need to test something im there too , but guys tell me can the sncviewer be included, the plugin was recently reworked on, & just needs the right attention & nod from proper people then it can be included, thats what im requesting for, cause its way better than the earlier version |
| 19:20:40 | AceNik | Nico_P: if you look at the kind of patent apple has pplied for , they have gone overboard with providing the blinking text kind of karaoke effect , which can be an extension for this plugin |
| 19:20:58 | alienbiker99 | ill test now |
| 19:22:18 | AceNik | Nico_P: i just feel there are so many plugins & patches waited to be included, but either the developers get lazy to talk on IRC for inclusion or , they have some more serious work left to be done on it , once noticed a plugin can be improved in a few days, like the " sokoban plugin patch was done " |
| 19:25:29 | alienbiker99 | amiconn, what do you need me t otell you |
| 19:25:55 | amiconn | The two fps values (for 1/4 and 1/4) |
| 19:26:03 | amiconn | Erm, 1/1 and 1/4 |
| 19:26:33 | alienbiker99 | unboosted: 1/1: 27.5 ; 1/4: 109.0 |
| 19:27:35 | alienbiker99 | boosted: 1/1: 42.0 ; 1/4: 166.0 |
| 19:28:19 | alienbiker99 | do you have another build? |
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| 19:31:19 | amiconn | building... |
| 19:34:36 | AceNik | febs? |
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| 19:34:59 | AceNik | febs? |
| 19:35:02 | Febs | Yes. |
| 19:35:11 | Febs | Do you have a moment for private chat? |
| 19:35:20 | AceNik | ya tell me ? |
| 19:37:52 | AceNik | cant you get my messages? |
| 19:39:05 | Febs | No. Are you identified to NickServ? |
| 19:39:08 | Nico_P | AceNik: you need to be registred to be able to PM... are you ? |
| 19:39:19 | AceNik | no im not, how do you do that ? |
| 19:39:44 | amiconn | Only one of you needs to be registered, who could the allow messages from unregistered users |
| 19:39:52 | amiconn | s/the/then/ |
| 19:40:18 | AceNik | febs: allow me then , im unregistered, but how do i register then ? |
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| 19:41:08 | amiconn | alienbiker99: http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/rockbox-h10-new.zip |
| 19:41:29 | Arathis | amiconn: what's that buidl for anyway? |
| 19:41:40 | amiconn | LCD speeeeed :) |
| 19:42:08 | Llorean | With that many e's it's got to be good. |
| 19:42:42 | amiconn | heh |
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| 19:42:59 | lxx | how enable icon sets in rockbox? |
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| 19:43:14 | Arathis | how will an LCD speedup be effectifly visible? |
| 19:43:35 | Febs | lxx: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons |
| 19:44:13 | AceNik | febs? |
| 19:44:23 | amiconn | Arathis: On the H10/6GB it's very obvious if you e.g. try to play jewels while playing music |
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| 19:44:49 | amiconn | Without the patch, jewels are falling so slow it's no fun to play it |
| 19:44:59 | Febs | lxx: (basically, you just need to download an iconset, extract the .zip file to your player, and then browse to and select the .cfg file relating to the iconset that you want.) |
| 19:45:15 | Arathis | amiconn: but how does the LCD effect that? thought this would be something about the cpu |
| 19:45:18 | amiconn | There will be further speedups (porting from the ipod color lcd driver), this is only a first step and proof of concept |
| 19:45:22 | alienbiker99 | unboosted: 1/: 28.5 ; 1/4: 114.0 |
| 19:45:44 | alienbiker99 | boosted; 1/1; 74.0 ; 1/4: 298.0 |
| 19:46:09 | Arathis | btw: still 16% battery-power :) |
| 19:46:11 | lxx | <Febs> where i need to select cfg file? |
| 19:46:35 | amiconn | alienbiker99: No graphical glitches on the display? |
| 19:46:47 | amiconn | About the same speedup as on the H10/6 btw |
| 19:46:55 | Febs | lxx, after you have extracted the iconset, you should be able to find the .cfg file by going to Settings −−> Browse themes. |
| 19:47:03 | amiconn | A few percent at 30MHz, and nearly 80% at 78MHz |
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| 19:47:21 | alienbiker99 | dont think so |
| 19:47:27 | amiconn | Arathis: This patch changes the LCD controller clock (the same way as it is set on ipod color) |
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| 19:47:58 | amiconn | alienbiker99: This should also improve video playback in case you're interested in that |
| 19:48:09 | Arathis | ah, I see |
| 19:48:12 | lxx | <Febs> and what i need to do next? |
| 19:48:25 | alienbiker99 | i could test teh elephants dream |
| 19:48:28 | Febs | AceNik: try identifying yourself to NickServ by typing /msg NickServ IDENTIFY [yourpassword] |
| 19:49:06 | Febs | lxx: select the iconset you want to use by navigating to its .cfg file and pressing Select. |
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| 19:50:44 | AceNik | whr do i type this febs? |
| 19:50:50 | AceNik | here itself in the msg box |
| 19:51:01 | Febs | Yes. |
| 19:51:30 | * | bluebrother waves at obo |
| 19:51:39 | * | obo waves back |
| 19:51:54 | bluebrother | can you help me killing a warning? |
| 19:52:05 | obo | I can try |
| 19:52:14 | * | amiconn summons dan_a |
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| 19:53:29 | AceNik | febs: it says im not registered |
| 19:53:42 | AceNik | ill brb in 30 mins then ill get back to you ok |
| 19:53:59 | Febs | AceNik: yeah, I need to get lunch anyway. |
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| 19:54:34 | bluebrother | well, when building rbutilqt I get a warning rbutilqt.cpp:30: warning: unused parameter ‘parent’ |
| 19:55:08 | bluebrother | I'm pretty sure this is related to me setting up the UI with this as argument instead of parent |
| 19:55:43 | * | obo grabs the latest source |
| 19:55:48 | bluebrother | but when using parent it doesn't work −− parent is of type QWidget* and ui is QMainWindow* |
| 19:56:12 | bluebrother | but as far as I understood I shouldn't initialize with this. |
| 19:56:25 | bluebrother | and I haven't found out what I'm doing wrong |
| 19:56:37 | Febs | Here is the Apple patent application: http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=19&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PG01&s1=%22Apple+Computer%22&OS=%22Apple+Computer%22&RS=%22Apple+Computer%22 |
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| 20:06:58 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Do you think it would be possible to use dma for pcm data transfer? |
| 20:09:19 | obo | bluebrother: (void)parent; works, I don't know if there is a better way |
| 20:09:45 | * | amiconn has a suspicion why battery life in rockbox sucjs on PP |
| 20:10:20 | bluebrother | hmm. I know about the void cast, but I think I did something else that's not 100% ok |
| 20:10:31 | * | Domonoky is compiling bluebrothers new code.. |
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| 20:13:13 | bluebrother | ah. Seems I found something :) |
| 20:13:34 | obo | RbUtilQt::RbUtilQt(QWidget *parent) : QMainWindow( parent ) |
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| 20:13:48 | amiconn | nah, theory discarded |
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| 20:15:25 | DerPapst | damn :( |
| 20:15:44 | Domonoky | bluebrother: your new version works fine in windows.. |
| 20:15:57 | bluebrother | Domonoky: I checked in windows this time ;-) |
| 20:16:05 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 20:16:08 | amiconn | But halving the fiq frequency like on sansa should help |
| 20:16:48 | Domonoky | but you should change the signal on which "updateDevice" is triggerd from highlighted to index_changed |
| 20:18:02 | bluebrother | you mean the slot I assume? |
| 20:18:54 | Domonoky | the signal from the combobox... |
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| 20:19:18 | bluebrother | well, I can't change that signal easily |
| 20:19:46 | Domonoky | you should just, use the other signal :-) the signal named "index_changed" |
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| 20:20:43 | bluebrother | ah, now I see what you mean. Stupid me ;-) |
| 20:21:10 | Domonoky | hehe |
| 20:21:42 | bluebrother | there was some reason why I didn't use that signal in the first place. Seems it wasn't a good reason :P |
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| 20:22:46 | Domonoky | the only problem is, that the signal is also emited, when you change the index with a function call.. |
| 20:23:02 | Domonoky | but thats not really a problem.. |
| 20:23:12 | bluebrother | is this really a problem? It nicely updated the UI in that case ;-) |
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| 20:23:34 | bluebrother | ok, my intention is to get the code into a subfolder of the rbutil module in svn soon. |
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| 20:23:52 | Domonoky | bluebrother: that would be really good :-) |
| 20:24:15 | Domonoky | bluebrother: have you done anything about error handling ? |
| 20:24:16 | bluebrother | so others can fix the errors I made :P |
| 20:24:30 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 20:24:31 | bluebrother | I added something about handling http errors. |
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| 20:25:11 | bluebrother | for installation I'm wondering if it's sufficient to have the list and put errors there. That's the way I'm currently doing it. |
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| 20:28:21 | Domonoky | hm, this list could work for all installations.. |
| 20:28:44 | bluebrother | yeah, that was one of my thoughts. Haven't checked against the other installs though ;-) |
| 20:29:29 | Domonoky | we dont have a progress for all installations, but we could show this list even if there is nor progressbar.. |
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| 20:30:11 | Domonoky | and the important errors all happen while installing something.. |
| 20:30:13 | bluebrother | ideally that list gets replaced with a nicer one which has icons at the beginning |
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| 20:30:38 | bluebrother | and if a step finished successfully, display a checkmark. If it fails, add a warning sign |
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| 20:32:41 | bluebrother | hmm, still a warning about the unused parameter parent. But it seems at least the left-over temporary files are gone now. |
| 20:32:49 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: 1) No, mpegplayer doesn't unboost the CPU - but you're right, it could do. 2) Yes, the hw revision is somewhere else on the 5g - I'll try and find it... |
| 20:33:55 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Also, regarding "buffer miss" in the midi player, there's a patch on flyspray which claims it solves it - but I didn't commit as I don't have any midi files to test the plugin with. Maybe you could try it - it simply increases the size of a #define |
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| 20:40:17 | bluebrother | hmm, there is a similar parent issue in configure.cpp which I overlooked all the time ... |
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| 20:48:29 | Domonoky | bluebrother: make the constructor look like this: Install::Install(QWidget *parent) : QDialog(parent) |
| 20:48:51 | Domonoky | ie. call the constructor of the base class with the parent... |
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| 20:54:13 | bluebrother | ah, great. |
| 20:54:25 | DerPapst | wow this takes longer than i thought... |
| 20:54:49 | bluebrother | I'm still not that familiar with cpp right now. Oh well. |
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| 20:57:08 | saratoga | linuxstb: do you know why the MAD speedup for ARM patch (FS:6705) was never committed? |
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| 20:58:21 | DerPapst | saratoga: it broke building mpegplayer on 3G iPods at least. |
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| 20:58:30 | DerPapst | dunno if that has been fixed though |
| 20:58:46 | saratoga | is that the only reason? |
| 20:59:05 | DerPapst | don't know that either ;) |
| 20:59:36 | DerPapst | i would like to have that changes for 3G iPods even if it breakes mpegplayer |
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| 21:00:46 | DerPapst | videos on 3G are a pita anyways. the contrast of 1G-3G iPods changes depending on the displayed content :-/ |
| 21:02:17 | saratoga | DerPapst: mpegplayer builds for the 3G with that patch |
| 21:02:38 | saratoga | not sure if it actually runs, though theres no errors and just a trival warning about an unused variable |
| 21:03:18 | DerPapst | well then i wonder why it isn't in svn yet. |
| 21:03:20 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: I recall preglow wanted to test the accuracy of the output, but he never got around to it. It's possible the patch may also need a little cosmetic cleaning. |
| 21:03:56 | * | DerPapst doesn't wonder anymore |
| 21:04:50 | * | DerPapst has actually never tested mpegplayer on his 3G iPod |
| 21:05:45 | DerPapst | if i convert a movie to play it on my 3G do i have to reduce it's color depth to 2 bit b&w? |
| 21:06:04 | saratoga | linuxstb: I believe preglow is on vaction this week so i probably can't ask him |
| 21:06:22 | saratoga | however, I could pretty easily decode a few random files and compute the RMS error verses the current decoder |
| 21:06:28 | linuxstb_ | It's pretty much unusable on greyscale PP targets - the greyscale library (including LCD updates) and audio decoding are both on the same core, and it can't keep up. |
| 21:06:35 | saratoga | would that be sufficient? |
| 21:06:54 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: I think so, yes. It's a pretty major patch, so we want to be sure it doesn't affect the output. |
| 21:07:15 | linuxstb_ | It would be nice to finally commit it. |
| 21:07:41 | DerPapst | i've only used that video player in iPL which plays uncompressed avi. |
| 21:09:04 | linuxstb_ | On greyscale targets mpegplayer uses the same greyscale lib that the jpeg viewer uses in order to display about 33 (I think) shades of grey. |
| 21:09:34 | linuxstb_ | But no-one has done any work to get it working efficiently... |
| 21:09:49 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:10:28 | DerPapst | so i won't have to reduce the colourdepth of the movieclip? |
| 21:10:39 | linuxstb_ | No. I don't think you can with mpeg anyway. |
| 21:10:57 | DerPapst | heh.. ok |
| 21:11:21 | linuxstb_ | The colour info is stores as yuv422, and mpegplayer just uses the y component for display on greyscale targets. |
| 21:11:26 | linuxstb_ | ^stored |
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| 21:11:36 | * | linuxstb_ is infected with DerPapst's typo skills |
| 21:11:42 | advcomp2019 | how many people are working on the e200r series to get rockbox on it i am wondering |
| 21:11:45 | DerPapst | haha |
| 21:11:59 | linuxstb_ | advcomp2019: I believe the current number is zero. |
| 21:13:33 | DerPapst | i know that ~33 shades of grey is possible at least archos targets but i wasn't aware that b&w iPods can display that may shades with rockbox too. |
| 21:13:52 | DerPapst | insert "on" where it fits |
| 21:13:55 | linuxstb_ | amiconn got it working relatively recently. |
| 21:14:32 | linuxstb_ | I _think_ the greyscale lib now works on all greyscale targets. |
| 21:15:17 | DerPapst | will check that when i'm bored again ;) |
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| 21:20:11 | DerPapst | bah.. out of memory after one hour calculating :-/ |
| 21:20:14 | Arathis | amiconn: player finally ran out of battery without any crash/freeze |
| 21:22:14 | linuxstb_ | Arathis: How long did it last? (or wasn't it fully charged)? |
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| 21:23:09 | Arathis | was fully charged. comparing the results |
| 21:23:26 | AceNik | hey Febs |
| 21:23:49 | Febs | Hello. |
| 21:23:58 | AceNik | no how do i do it |
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| 21:24:34 | Febs | Hmm. Apparently you can see my private messages but somehow you're still responding on the public channel. |
| 21:24:59 | Arathis | amiconn: my last runtime-test without crash was about 8h 15m. this time it was 9h 20m |
| 21:25:00 | AceNik | can you see mine ? |
| 21:25:13 | Febs | No. |
| 21:25:38 | AceNik | where which site do i go to register? |
| 21:26:41 | DerPapst | /ns REGISTER password |
| 21:26:46 | linuxstb_ | Arathis: That's a nice improvement, but still nowhere near iriver's quoted 16 hours... ;( |
| 21:26:57 | Arathis | sadly true |
| 21:28:40 | NirIzr | I've got iriver H10 (6G) and it goes for like 8 to 10 hours... so theres not that big of a differance... |
| 21:29:15 | AceNik | febs: i registered |
| 21:29:29 | AceNik | DerPapst: thanks a lot |
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| 21:30:05 | DerPapst | :) |
| 21:30:26 | DerPapst | and next time you do /ns IDENTIFY password |
| 21:30:27 | Arathis | NirIzr: 8-10h with rockbox or OF? |
| 21:32:28 | linuxstb_ | I thought iriver quote 16hr for the 20GB and 12hr for the 5/6GB? |
| 21:32:50 | AceNik | Arathis: on rockbox also u can get 8-10 hrs if you have decent pair of headphones, so ul listen at a lowwer voluume since headphones would be good |
| 21:33:40 | bluebrother | ok, I'm going to commit my rbutil work to /rbutil/rbutilqt shortly. Does anyone have objections against this? |
| 21:33:46 | NirIzr | ive got good headphones... but i do thuch my iriver while playing (check the song, change etc) |
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| 21:39:34 | AceNik | guys dont you think there need to be days assigned as patching days, like on those days patches can be synced to rockbox, cause otherwise loads of features can go waste as they'll be patented by someone else |
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| 21:42:14 | GodEater | AceNik: we don't much care about the patents though - software patents are not valid in the EU |
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| 21:43:01 | linuxstb_ | And the existence of a patch in the tracker is enough to prove prior art (I would hope...) |
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| 21:43:06 | amiconn | AceNik: Power drain by headphones is neglectible compared to the rest of the player, unless one is almost deaf and is listening at really high volume |
| 21:43:13 | amiconn | But even then it's just a few percent |
| 21:43:37 | amiconn | I do all my runtime tests at line level without headphones connected |
| 21:43:51 | AceNik | GodEater: i dont understand, would the development of rockbox be hampered? , i understand they limited scope but still , cant you guys include them n then under GPL do something, like evert patch added for review also gets a stamp from GPL belonging to you first |
| 21:44:20 | Febs | GPL addresses copyright issues, not patent. |
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| 21:44:41 | amiconn | Arathis: Nice to hear :) |
| 21:44:47 | GodEater | AceNik: as linuxstb says - if we were to start caring about software patents, and I can't see why we would, just the fact that we have them in the patch tracker is enough |
| 21:45:19 | AceNik | amiconn: i had the original iriver senhessier headphones, i used to listem to music at -8, now i bought new ones' something with 32ohms impedance, i listen at -24 |
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| 21:45:26 | amiconn | I hope to commit the fix soon, but I also want to rework the clock setting function so that it looks like it should, and there is one detail in the current setup I don't understand |
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| 21:46:35 | amiconn | dan_a could probably tell my why he did it this way, but he isn't around often these days |
| 21:46:50 | AceNik | GodEater: fine but i still feel ultimately chances are stuff would be copied & reused somehow or the other, & you guys need to have a stronger ground |
| 21:46:53 | amiconn | Maybe linuxstb has an explanation though... |
| 21:47:16 | veitchy | hi, am i in the right place to seek some tech help for a newbie?? |
| 21:47:46 | Febs | AceNik: patents are not the solution. |
| 21:47:53 | AceNik | veitchy: go on |
| 21:47:57 | GodEater | AceNik: but this is a GPL project - we don't mind people copying our work - that's sort of the point |
| 21:48:05 | AceNik | veitchy: have you read the manual first |
| 21:48:08 | GodEater | provided they credit us - it doesn't matter |
| 21:48:25 | GodEater | (and include the source for whatever they do with our work too) |
| 21:48:46 | veitchy | thanks, just installed RB on a ipod nano and manged to set display background colour the same as text.... |
| 21:49:00 | veitchy | can't read menus |
| 21:49:08 | GodEater | veitchy: just reboot it, and as soon as you see the rockbox logo switch the hold switch on |
| 21:49:19 | GodEater | that will reset the settings to their defaults |
| 21:49:22 | AceNik | GodEater: the most common stuff is the lyrics display being such a nice feature & you not interested in it since it still inst committed, but the same patent is on its way & do you think apple will credit anyone else for it |
| 21:49:23 | GodEater | and you'll be able to read again |
| 21:49:27 | veitchy | cheers GodEater |
| 21:49:48 | veitchy | much appreciated |
| 21:49:49 | GodEater | AceNik: I don't give a toss if apple patent it or not - their patent is not enforceable in the EU |
| 21:49:55 | | Part veitchy |
| 21:50:14 | AceNik | veitchy: or better go into disk mode & delete the background, ul boot into normal background with same settings |
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| 21:50:59 | AceNik | GodEater: but isnt rockbos goin to launch as a software globally ? |
| 21:51:07 | AceNik | how will it matter then ? |
| 21:51:10 | Febs | Rockbox is already global. |
| 21:51:11 | GodEater | AceNik: define launch |
| 21:51:15 | AceNik | rockbox* so sorry |
| 21:52:08 | AceNik | GodEater: the day a official working version stable build is ready dont you guys think advertising & launching would be an option ? |
| 21:52:20 | GodEater | AceNik: what on earth for ? |
| 21:52:27 | AceNik | like you guys are an alternate OS right ? |
| 21:52:38 | GodEater | AceNik: so ? |
| 21:53:00 | AceNik | GodEater: dont you think this will be way bigger someday ? |
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| 21:53:28 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: What's your question about the system init? |
| 21:53:31 | GodEater | AceNik: whether it is or isn't, is not a matter for advertising and a "launch" whatever that is |
| 21:53:40 | bluebrother | Rockbox has been released as stable. The last release was 2.5 for the archos players |
| 21:53:55 | GodEater | AceNik: Rockbox is not a commercial venture, and I don't foresee it ever becoming one |
| 21:53:58 | bluebrother | and as nobody wants to sell Rockbox, what's the point in some "launch"? |
| 21:54:40 | thegeek | I imagine he is talking about some kind of intensive launch to attract new users |
| 21:54:43 | PaulJam_ | some people sell rockbox (or rather the installation service) |
| 21:54:47 | AceNik | GodEater: i dont belive in software being sold, but there needs to be a certain brand value which has to be developed |
| 21:55:06 | Llorean | AceNik: Why? |
| 21:55:06 | linuxstb_ | Why? |
| 21:55:07 | GodEater | AceNik: no there doesn't |
| 21:55:31 | bluebrother | well, that's the same as linux distros: you can sell the software, but anyone can still get it from the project itself |
| 21:55:44 | AceNik | doesnt the linux project have a certain brand value |
| 21:55:49 | * | bluebrother smells a "product" issue |
| 21:55:51 | GodEater | AceNik: No it doesn't |
| 21:56:02 | GodEater | AceNik: the people who make money with linux have brand value |
| 21:56:08 | GodEater | AceNik: such as RedHat, IBM |
| 21:56:13 | GodEater | linux itself has nothing |
| 21:56:20 | AceNik | those are individual companies |
| 21:56:28 | bluebrother | well, "Linux" is a registered trademark. But that's all. |
| 21:56:32 | Llorean | AceNik: Redhat has brand value. And Ubuntu does. Linux is just Linux, and most of the "brand value" of that term is more misconception than anything. |
| 21:56:54 | GodEater | anyone who thinks "linux" has brand value, has no concept of what it is |
| 21:56:59 | bluebrother | technically, linux is just the kernel. You can't do much with it without any userland ... |
| 21:57:10 | AceNik | GodEater: well i dont get the future of RB then , may be you can be generou to tell me the future of RB |
| 21:57:23 | GodEater | AceNik: we don't think about the future |
| 21:57:26 | GodEater | we do this for fun |
| 21:57:43 | Llorean | AceNik: The future of Rockbox: People who are interested in it will continue to improve the parts of it they're interested in. |
| 21:57:46 | AceNik | GodEater: well its loads of fun & learnin im thankful for that fo sure |
| 21:57:47 | Llorean | Why does there need to be any more than that? |
| 21:58:09 | bluebrother | Rockbox is *not* a product nor intended to become one. It's just fun. |
| 21:58:38 | AceNik | but people who are interested in it like me the ambitious one's will also long for every other ipod to have this piece of code, cause its so much better |
| 21:58:39 | GodEater | if at some point a DAP vendor chooses to use Rockbox as the basis of their product then marketing it becomes their problem - not ours |
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| 21:59:04 | bluebrother | if you want to work on something that is intended to become some sort of product you might look at ubuntu or similar. |
| 21:59:17 | Llorean | AceNik: You're more than welcome to long for other people to install it. But it doesn't make *my* iPod any better if Bob down the street installs it, and honestly, if he's happy with what he's got why should he have to learn something new? |
| 21:59:29 | GodEater | Llorean: hear hear |
| 21:59:38 | GodEater | I don't give a monkeys what Bob's ipod is running |
| 21:59:47 | AceNik | guys dont you wish you had more men working on RB project , & also most of the DAP's have rockbox on them ? |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:01 | bluebrother | no |
| 22:00:09 | GodEater | AceNik: we welcome volunteers, but we don't want world DAP domination |
| 22:00:13 | Llorean | AceNik: It takes a special sort of person to actually work on the coding. That sort of person is much more likely to find Rockbox as it is. |
| 22:00:44 | bluebrother | we don't people to just work on Rockbox. We want people who are interested in it. |
| 22:00:51 | GodEater | frankly I could do with *less* people using it - would make the forums a much quieter place ;) |
| 22:01:00 | Llorean | More popularity can of course increase visibility, but it also greatly increases support overhead. If you try to present it as a product (which is what you do when you advertise) people begin to *expect* an established support base. |
| 22:01:14 | AceNik | Llorean: i dont know , like im confused with ur ideas, but gotta live with them |
| 22:01:14 | bluebrother | there's a difference between coding for some random project and being interested in it. |
| 22:01:25 | * | Febs revives the motion to remove Doom. |
| 22:01:29 | * | GodEater is willing to do full time support when someone is willing to pay his mortgage |
| 22:01:34 | Febs | ;) |
| 22:01:35 | * | GodEater seconds Febs |
| 22:01:40 | Llorean | The best people *for* the project are the people who want more out of their MP3 player. |
| 22:01:51 | * | bluebrother thirds Febs |
| 22:02:01 | linuxstb_ | AceNik: As an example, the Rockbox port to the ipods didn't bring a huge influx of developers. In fact, I'm hard-pressed to think of any. |
| 22:02:10 | AceNik | why are you guy wnating to remove doom now ? |
| 22:02:23 | GodEater | AceNik: because none of us like it! |
| 22:02:26 | Febs | We're (somewhat) joking. |
| 22:02:33 | bluebrother | remove doom! |
| 22:02:34 | Llorean | AceNik: It's a support nightmare and generally brings in a lot of people who provide a higher than average support load without contributing? |
| 22:02:37 | Febs | But it brings nothing but support headaches. |
| 22:02:52 | bluebrother | because it's annoying to see people installing Rockbox for the sole purpose of playing doom on their Ipod |
| 22:02:52 | Llorean | AceNik: Basically, it's an example of what makes Rockbox harder to work on. |
| 22:02:56 | GodEater | and it makes people think Rockbox is about playing games - which it isn't |
| 22:03:14 | AceNik | linuxstb_: trust me there are loads of them who dont know, im in india ,& the amount of guys interested to work on the code itself is a lot , but again we guy are just studyin basics of programming yet |
| 22:03:15 | * | bluebrother didn't want to call it "support nightmare" though it in fact is |
| 22:03:32 | GodEater | bluebrother should be braver ;) |
| 22:03:47 | bluebrother | remove doom! :P |
| 22:03:53 | AceNik | i feel you should nt remove doom come on guys, even the iphone has doom in developement |
| 22:03:58 | GodEater | and rockboy! |
| 22:04:18 | Llorean | AceNik: The point is that games detract from the focus, and attract a lot of people whose only interest is the "shiny" factor |
| 22:04:35 | * | bluebrother didn't heard any complaints and is about being brave enough of commiting his qt work ... |
| 22:04:42 | AceNik | well the shiny factor just needs another forum probably |
| 22:04:43 | Llorean | AceNik: They aren't seriously talking about removing Doom, only using it to illustrate the kinds of hurdles that develop. Advertising would simply create more of these hurdles. |
| 22:04:52 | Febs | Exactly. |
| 22:04:53 | * | GodEater is semi-serious |
| 22:05:10 | Llorean | GodEater: And semi-serious is not "serious" so there. :-P It has a few extra characters. |
| 22:05:18 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 22:05:24 | bluebrother | ;-) |
| 22:05:29 | GodEater | put it another way - if it happened - I wouldn't cry |
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| 22:05:30 | GodEater | ;) |
| 22:05:35 | Llorean | And there will be a "shiny factor" forum over my dead body. |
| 22:05:42 | AceNik | haha |
| 22:05:48 | AceNik | hehe |
| 22:05:52 | GodEater | can't we arrange to get doom / rockboy forked into a seperate project ? :) |
| 22:06:05 | bluebrother | we shouldn't ship doom but require user who want to use it to compile themselves ;-) |
| 22:06:09 | Llorean | There's already a WPS and Customization one, that's more than enough nod to the people whose sole interest is in making their player look cooler. |
| 22:06:15 | bluebrother | doombox? |
| 22:06:24 | klbostee | I fixed a small bug in apps/playback.c, and I would like to submit a patch for it. How should I create this patch? |
| 22:06:26 | GodEater | doomboybox |
| 22:06:36 | linuxstb_ | klbostee: Did you checkout the code from SVN? |
| 22:06:39 | klbostee | yeah |
| 22:06:43 | bluebrother | klbostee: best way is svn diff |
| 22:06:45 | GodEater | christ - someone who's brave enough to fiddle with playback.c |
| 22:06:46 | AceNik | ok well you know guys i saw what the amount of work the devcon's can do, having to develop extra eyecandy stuff is a days work , but the features need to be revised all year long |
| 22:06:51 | GodEater | sign him up right now!!!! |
| 22:06:56 | linuxstb_ | klbostee: Then just type "svn diff apps/playback.c > mypatch.diff" |
| 22:07:08 | amiconn | linuxstb: If you would take a look at system_init() in system-pp502x.c - do you have an idea why ipod_set_cpu_frequency() is executed on the cop if dualcore is enabled and adjustable cpu frequency is disabled? |
| 22:07:08 | klbostee | ok, thanks |
| 22:07:10 | AceNik | but guys the devcon west had promised there would be days for patches & bugs dealing |
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| 22:07:29 | amiconn | All the other inits are executed on the cpu.... |
| 22:07:34 | GodEater | AceNik: I doubt they used the word "promise" anywhere |
| 22:07:36 | Llorean | AceNik: I don't know where you think we promised *anything* |
| 22:07:36 | bluebrother | there were no promises |
| 22:07:41 | Llorean | I know I made no promises. |
| 22:07:49 | AceNik | haha |
| 22:07:50 | * | GodEater doesn't recall reading any such thing |
| 22:07:55 | AceNik | come on guys |
| 22:07:57 | bluebrother | and having a FS cleanup period was discussed at DC, not DCW |
| 22:08:03 | * | amiconn disagrees both with GodEater and Febs |
| 22:08:21 | GodEater | amiconn: about doom ? |
| 22:08:25 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:08:46 | GodEater | amiconn: well you spend no time reading posts about it in the forums - so I guess you're not as fed up with it |
| 22:09:07 | amiconn | I know that many questions arise regarding doom - but if we wouldn't have it, there would be even more questions |
| 22:09:32 | AceNik | Llorean: what happened to the screensaver stuff , i discussed with you last , & also the ability to switch between plugin & wps at the same time when they running? |
| 22:09:32 | * | bluebrother thinks it would only be a feature request rotting in the tracker |
| 22:09:42 | amiconn | Both why we don't have doom, and why we don't port <insert favourite not too recent 3d game here> |
| 22:09:44 | * | GodEater agress with bluebrother |
| 22:10:01 | GodEater | amiconn: not too recent ?!?! Did you read the request for doom 3 ? |
| 22:10:03 | Llorean | AceNik: I have no idea what you're talking about, with screensaver stuff. |
| 22:10:20 | Febs | "why we don't port <insert favourite not too recent 3d game here>" <−−- This question gets asked repeatedly anyway. |
| 22:10:25 | AceNik | ] amiconn: guys seriously let there be a separate forum for core technicalities & whih on;y developers have access to |
| 22:10:38 | * | linuxstb_ doesn't understand why people don't just ignore forum posts that annoy them. |
| 22:10:41 | GodEater | AceNik: we don't need it - we have this irc channel |
| 22:10:48 | amiconn | GodEater: Nope, but with the real doom (1,2) as an example, it becomes easier to explain why doom 3 isn't possible |
| 22:10:53 | AceNik | linuxstb: ok how bout ability to switch between plugin & wps at the same time when they running? |
| 22:11:07 | linuxstb_ | AceNik: Yes, that would be nice... |
| 22:11:11 | Llorean | AceNik: Why should there be a separate, hidden forum? There's this IRC channel, the developer mailing list, and categories in the forums that are relevant to different parts of the code. |
| 22:11:29 | bluebrother | irc is *much* nicer than forums anyway |
| 22:11:34 | * | amiconn does what linuxstb wonders ;) |
| 22:11:43 | Llorean | IRC + Mailing List is more than good enough, I think |
| 22:11:49 | amiconn | Just ignoring annoying forum posts I mean |
| 22:11:50 | AceNik | amiconn: who thought of having doom3 on their DAP ......hehe this drives me crazy to think that guys knowledge ont he DAP's power |
| 22:11:54 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: That function is a maze of #ifdefs... |
| 22:12:09 | GodEater | if everyone ignored posts in the forums which annoyed them, then what's the point in having the forums in the first place ? |
| 22:12:10 | Febs | Believe it or not, I ignore MANY forum posts. |
| 22:12:21 | * | Llorean ignores more now than he should. |
| 22:12:26 | amiconn | linuxstb: Not as much as many other parts. My goal is to clean up this stuff - completely |
| 22:12:35 | pixelma | AceNik: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7268.0 ;) |
| 22:12:37 | AceNik | i ignore plenty , but sometime answer new commers, i was one once |
| 22:12:37 | amiconn | But I like to understand why it's doen on the cop... |
| 22:12:45 | amiconn | It doesn't make sense to me |
| 22:12:54 | GodEater | if we provide forums - we sort of have a responsibility to read them and answer them |
| 22:13:10 | Llorean | Febs: That shadow person who was posting on the Zune and Nano 2G apparently thinks you're harassing him. |
| 22:13:16 | amiconn | AceNik: If I'd do that, >90% of my posts would consist of 4 letters (or 2x 4 letters) |
| 22:13:23 | GodEater | otherwise Llorean, Febs and everyone else should just hand in their badges and let the forums become a complete free for all |
| 22:13:24 | AceNik | haha |
| 22:13:28 | Febs | Llorean: yes, he sent me a PM to that effect. Which I ignored. QED. |
| 22:13:34 | markun | Llorean: he's pretty anoying |
| 22:13:34 | amiconn | rtfm, rtfw |
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| 22:13:56 | Llorean | Febs: I gave him a lecture on how being 15 (or whatever he told me his age was) doesn't make the rules any less valid, and that he'll be expected to follow them just like everyone else. |
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| 22:14:20 | GodEater | Febs: are you still deleting posts from him ? |
| 22:14:31 | Llorean | So basically, if he gives you any more trouble, I've no objection to ridding ourselves of him for a week or two. |
| 22:14:34 | amiconn | linuxstb: I wantto move the pll power init to system_init() - there really is no reason to do it on every clock change. On is on... |
| 22:14:38 | AceNik | that guy is mad |
| 22:15:10 | Febs | GodEater: He hasn't posted since I wrote the fairly stern public post asking him not to post in the New Ports forum. Instead, he has started complaining privately to Llorean and me. |
| 22:15:37 | GodEater | Febs: you're so mean ;) |
| 22:15:41 | Febs | I did not want to issue that public post, but I PMed him several times and he just ignored me. |
| 22:16:01 | AceNik | ok guys seriously can there be a unision between core developers & newbie's someday on an IRC, & that day use to work on bug & patches, cause you never know if someone comes up with a nice feeature |
| 22:16:17 | GodEater | AceNik: that's why we have flyspray |
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| 22:16:48 | AceNik | ya but i feel flyspary is ignored till someone comes up with a number on the IRC & then people check |
| 22:17:00 | GodEater | it's not ignored |
| 22:17:04 | Davide-NYC | Relevant feature request! /msg NickServ IDENTIFY |
| 22:17:10 | GodEater | many of the devs spend more time reading it than reading the forums |
| 22:17:15 | Davide-NYC | Relevant feature request! http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7483 |
| 22:17:16 | AceNik | like i did with the snc viewer , but i t being spoken of no |
| 22:17:18 | markun | AceNik: better to give a number in IRC than trying to explain it here |
| 22:17:19 | Davide-NYC | (sorry) |
| 22:17:42 | Llorean | AceNik: Because many developers have plenty of stuff to work on. |
| 22:17:56 | Llorean | They can't all drop the bugs they're trying to fix just because *you* like a feature. |
| 22:18:02 | Llorean | So patience is a virtue. Mention it, but don't be a pest. |
| 22:18:03 | markun | and feature request != feature demand |
| 22:18:32 | AceNik | Llorean: i know that but ther has to be a day, like how you have days for laundry |
| 22:18:38 | AceNik | & iorning |
| 22:18:45 | GodEater | no there doesn't |
| 22:19:12 | AceNik | ok guy but atleast comment on the sncviewers's inclusion? |
| 22:19:20 | Llorean | AceNik: There doesn't have to be a day. People get to things when they get to things. |
| 22:19:24 | markun | AceNik: we work on rockbox for fun. If your idea of fun is ironing and laundry then work on that. |
| 22:19:43 | bluebrother | Things in here work. Why is there a need to change everything? |
| 22:19:48 | GodEater | markun: hahha - well said ;) |
| 22:19:54 | AceNik | markun : sorry for that it was just an example |
| 22:20:00 | markun | I know |
| 22:20:04 | Llorean | AceNik: For a very very long time the sncviewer author couldn't be bothered with even posting his patch to flyspray |
| 22:20:22 | * | bluebrother sighs |
| 22:20:31 | AceNik | ok back to work then , sncviewer is newly reworked |
| 22:20:38 | AceNik | its done by bascule now |
| 22:20:57 | AceNik | it works perfect now, with improvements to UI & stuff |
| 22:21:06 | Llorean | It's not done by Bascule, he simply posted it. |
| 22:21:12 | AceNik | the earlier one was on evenon the FS |
| 22:21:15 | Llorean | As well it sounds like the code needs a lot of cleanup to readability |
| 22:21:19 | bluebrother | GodEater: I was brave and did a huuuge commit ;-) |
| 22:21:27 | GodEater | bluebrother: yay! |
| 22:21:28 | AceNik | then whatever it is its reworked by someone |
| 22:21:44 | bluebrother | so let's see what people will say about my try ... |
| 22:22:09 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I'm not sure I can help explain it... IIUC, it's using the alternative ipod_set_cpu_frequency() function, which I'm guessing is the CPU init IPL does - the one that's incorrectly commented as !defined(BOOTLOADER) |
| 22:22:14 | GodEater | AceNik: just because it works does NOT mean it deserves inclusion |
| 22:22:26 | GodEater | AceNik: if it's completely unfathomable, then we don't want it - because we can't support it |
| 22:22:34 | AceNik | GodEater: ok |
| 22:22:43 | * | bluebrother LOLs at the output of sloccount |
| 22:23:02 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Ignore my wrong remark about !defined(BOOTLOADER)... |
| 22:24:31 | bluebrother | which reminds me ... anyone against rejecting FS #7459? |
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| 22:26:01 | Llorean | I'd say go ahead |
| 22:26:42 | linuxstb_ | AceNik: Speaking personally, I'm more than happy with the features Rockbox has currently (I only use a tiny percentage of them), and don't feel a desire to work on new ones. I would rather see the existing features work better. |
| 22:27:37 | AceNik | linuxstb_: i agree, which brings me to the point can you tell me how to code around the H10 for rockbox, would like to help |
| 22:28:09 | AceNik | i reliase h10 has less developers, last2 devcons there was no one listed |
| 22:28:10 | linuxstb_ | AceNik: 1) Learn C; 2) Checkout the Rockbox source and try to change something; 3) Ask specific questions here. |
| 22:28:13 | GodEater | speaking of new features that none of us will use - I'm hoping to have a working beta of my "favourites" plugin working sometime tomorrow |
| 22:28:34 | GodEater | implemented as Llorean suggested |
| 22:28:42 | Llorean | AceNik: 95% of work has nothing to do with a specific player anyway. It usually affects a category (all PortalPlayer) or all players. |
| 22:28:43 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: I look forward to ignoring it when it's on flyspray.., :) |
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| 22:28:59 | AceNik | linuxstb_: AceNik: 1) Learn C : already am ; 2) Checkout the Rockbox source and try to change something −−−− already figured out ; 3) Ask specific questions here.−−−− will surely do that |
| 22:29:04 | markun | GodEater: a mame golden quote I think: http://www.mame.net/cgi-bin/wwwthreads/showpost.pl?Board=mamegeneral&Number=207584&page=1&view=expanded&mode=threaded&sb=7#Post207584 |
| 22:29:04 | GodEater | linuxstb_: I look forward to absolutely no comments from you about it then ;) |
| 22:29:30 | belze_ | is there a possibility, that http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFlashing might become possible on the h110 as well? |
| 22:29:31 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: Have you managed to decipher the list widget code now? |
| 22:29:49 | GodEater | linuxstb_: thought I'd said that last night - yes I think so ;) |
| 22:30:02 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: My memory of last night is a little hazy... |
| 22:30:06 | AceNik | linuxstb_: things like how the hradware reacts with the software isnt clear to me although following up with rockbox has taught me a little |
| 22:30:07 | GodEater | haven't looked at it all day though what with having to go to a funeral |
| 22:30:40 | GodEater | markun: that reply is nearly perfect ;) |
| 22:31:07 | GodEater | AceNik: That's a) Not even a question, and b) very unspecific |
| 22:33:08 | AceNik | like barry told me i need to know the way the hardware of H10 is , & be able to understand what the codes in the OF are doin to the player , is that necessary ? |
| 22:33:22 | Davide-NYC | Guys, dig this super easy, reasonable adn relevant feature request. Should take very little time to implement and would make the recording contingent happy. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7483 |
| 22:33:28 | | Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) |
| 22:34:26 | GodEater | Davide-NYC: if it's so simple - why not do it yourself ? |
| 22:34:32 | linuxstb_ | AceNik: It depends on exactly what you're looking to do. But if you want to work on a low-level feature that depends on the H10's hardware, then you obviously need to work out how to talk to that hardware. |
| 22:34:50 | Llorean | Davide-NYC: Also you pasted that in here a mere 15 minutes ago |
| 22:34:51 | Davide-NYC | GodEater: be careful what you wish for ;-) |
| 22:34:58 | pixelma | Davide-NYC: and keep an eye on the Archos WRS ;) |
| 22:35:40 | AceNik | linuxstb_: lets c ill start with the " hello world " tomorrow first , then head for the RBUTIL stuff too |
| 22:35:41 | Davide-NYC | pixelma: I have a solution for the tiny LCDs... |
| 22:35:59 | Davide-NYC | the joystick "UP" botton currently does nothing. |
| 22:36:07 | AceNik | for now im goin , i wanted to help with the scrollpad on h10 when i had spoked to barry |
| 22:36:28 | GodEater | AceNik: what has that got to do with rbutil ? |
| 22:36:31 | belze_ | would http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFlashing generally work on the h110 in the current form? |
| 22:36:35 | Davide-NYC | I say it should be a momentatry hold redraw of the first two lines and we should hide the filename and filesize |
| 22:36:40 | belze_ | or does it have a different flash? |
| 22:37:01 | AceNik | GodEater: i had loads of ideas i wanted t work with rbutil , i discussed it with dominik |
| 22:37:19 | linuxstb_ | belze_: You should try and talk to Slasheri - he did the h120/h140 flashing work. |
| 22:37:25 | belze_ | ah, ok |
| 22:37:41 | AceNik | GodEater: so i need to start with the UI first he said |
| 22:38:03 | AceNik | c ya tomorrow sorry for the trouble |
| 22:38:22 | linuxstb_ | AceNik: The current rbutil appears to be being dropped in favour of a new Qt-based version... |
| 22:38:32 | pixelma | Davide-NYC: I believe "up" has a function - at least on my Ondio... it's for selecting volume or gain to change them |
| 22:38:45 | AceNik | linuxstb_: whats Qt |
| 22:38:54 | bluebrother | http://www.trolltech.com |
| 22:38:54 | Davide-NYC | Yes, but one you are at the topmost item it does nothing |
| 22:39:17 | bluebrother | Qt is something that's really cute :D |
| 22:39:21 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 22:39:28 | bluebrother | as the name says |
| 22:39:37 | bluebrother | Domonoky: I committed! |
| 22:39:49 | Domonoky | nice :-) |
| 22:39:51 | bluebrother | so, let the gaaaaaames begin! |
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| 22:40:54 | GodEater | it's been ages since I've done any Qt work ;) |
| 22:41:34 | bluebrother | it's been ages since I wanted to find time to get around Qt ;) |
| 22:41:49 | GodEater | hehe |
| 22:42:23 | GodEater | now all we need is a GTK port, and then we have a mini gnome/kde war going on in the rockbox world :) |
| 22:42:45 | * | bluebrother grabs gvim and runs to the KDE front |
| 22:43:07 | GodEater | how ironic, isn't gvim GTK ? ;) |
| 22:43:20 | bluebrother | it is :o |
| 22:43:31 | GodEater | you're clearly very confused :) |
| 22:44:01 | bluebrother | hmm. Not enough alcohol for my brain to work *g* |
| 22:44:11 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: The current rbutil is gtk... |
| 22:44:16 | GodEater | surely you should be using kate or something |
| 22:44:21 | GodEater | linuxstb: yeah sort of |
| 22:44:30 | Domonoky | not its wx !! :-) |
| 22:44:35 | GodEater | but not on windows it isn't |
| 22:44:48 | bluebrother | kate is nice, but vim is great. |
| 22:45:21 | * | linuxstb_ prepares to compile qt on his mac... |
| 22:45:35 | GodEater | hope you have a good cup of coffee handy |
| 22:45:39 | GodEater | it's not a short compile |
| 22:45:46 | linuxstb_ | I'm planning to leave it going overnight... |
| 22:46:22 | GodEater | good plan |
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| 22:47:06 | bluebrother | has anyone qt build statically around? I'm curious how big the binary will get. |
| 22:47:20 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Are there any special options i need to include when compiling qt? |
| 22:47:46 | bluebrother | I don't think so, I used the binary package of my linux distro. |
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| 22:49:09 | linuxstb_ | I guess I could try -static |
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| 22:57:07 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Hi. Thanks for the t-shirts and mugs - they were duely distributed last night. |
| 22:57:18 | Bagder | great! |
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| 23:03:22 | scorche | good day mister endless vacation =) |
| 23:03:38 | GodEater_ | Bagder: check the thread to see how they were fairly distributed |
| 23:04:18 | Bagder | a very good picture indeed |
| 23:04:24 | GodEater_ | hehehe |
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| 23:15:05 | * | bluebrother just uploaded a w32 binary of rbutilqt at http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt.7z |
| 23:15:12 | bluebrother | in case someone wants to try |
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| 23:18:30 | Davide-NYC | So I'm trying to tackle a bit of this code myself. |
| 23:18:50 | Davide-NYC | At first I'm just trying to identify where my little bit of disaster should go |
| 23:19:06 | Davide-NYC | I'm trying to adda line to the recording screen |
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| 23:19:30 | Davide-NYC | I figure line 1404 in recording.c is the correct location. |
| 23:19:36 | _jz | hi there ! |
| 23:19:39 | Davide-NYC | Am I warm? |
| 23:19:41 | _jz | rockbox looks completely amazing |
| 23:19:56 | _jz | but i just flashed my sensa E250 and now it doesn't appear anymore as a block device under linux :/ |
| 23:19:56 | Davide-NYC | we like it |
| 23:20:09 | * | Davide-NYC ducks |
| 23:20:21 | bluebrother | _jz: have you read the FAQ and caution pages in the wiki? |
| 23:20:34 | _jz | i just read the installation part of the doc |
| 23:20:45 | _jz | did i burn something irremediably ?? |
| 23:21:26 | bluebrother | well, have you read up on how to access usb mode? |
| 23:21:41 | bluebrother | Rockbox doesn't handle usb yet, so you need to boot the OF for usb access |
| 23:21:58 | _jz | OF = ? original firmware ? |
| 23:22:05 | bluebrother | exactly |
| 23:22:26 | _jz | ach! crap! that's now officially the first and only defect i see in rockbox ;)) |
| 23:22:26 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaFAQ#Does_USB_work |
| 23:22:33 | scorche | as a note, rockbox is not flashed onto the sansa devices |
| 23:22:47 | _jz | yeah it's just added, sorry ;) |
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| 23:22:58 | _jz | hmmm there should be a link to that faq in the doc ! |
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| 23:23:10 | _jz | (or maybe there is but i just jumped to the "installation" part :) |
| 23:23:20 | * | scorche points to the link in the topic |
| 23:23:23 | bluebrother | and to answer the other question, you _can_ seriously brick a sansa, but it requires some work to do so |
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| 23:24:05 | metalic | hi guys! I didnt see the part that said dont install on mac formated partition and now I have rockbox boot loader and a no partition found, nothing works HELPPP? |
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| 23:24:54 | bluebrother | metalic: do a restore from itunes |
| 23:25:07 | _jz | scorche: thanx, sorry i didn't look at the topic |
| 23:25:12 | metalic | the computer dosnt recognise the ipod |
| 23:25:22 | bluebrother | have you put it in disc mode? |
| 23:25:24 | linuxstb | metalic: Put your ipod into disk mode manually (MENU+SELECT to reboot, then immediately press and hold SELECT+PLAY). |
| 23:25:43 | metalic | it accually says that on the screen as well |
| 23:25:46 | metalic | but nothing happens |
| 23:25:55 | linuxstb | Then try again - it _always_ works. |
| 23:25:57 | metalic | maybe because of the hsf+ format?' |
| 23:26:05 | bluebrother | well, does Itunes detect the Ipod? |
| 23:26:08 | metalic | okey 2 sec... |
| 23:26:10 | linuxstb | Make sure the hold switch is off as well... |
| 23:26:11 | _jz | congratulations to everyone working on that r0cking project |
| 23:26:22 | _jz | rockbox bears it names very well |
| 23:26:32 | _jz | plus it made me buy a player i would have never ever bought otherwise |
| 23:26:39 | linuxstb | metalic: You need to hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds before it reboots. |
| 23:26:45 | _jz | so you should go and try to extort some money from Sandisk :) |
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| 23:27:55 | metalic | OH THANK GOD!! |
| 23:28:15 | metalic | you have to kinda press meny + play directly after reboot |
| 23:28:22 | linuxstb | yes... |
| 23:28:31 | bluebrother | Ipods are almost unbrickable (well, a hammer would always do ;-) |
| 23:28:38 | metalic | haha yeah |
| 23:28:43 | metalic | or droping it :p |
| 23:28:59 | bluebrother | if you drop it hard enough |
| 23:29:07 | metalic | have you guys tested the jclix theme?' |
| 23:29:17 | metalic | or enough times ;) |
| 23:29:21 | bluebrother | jclix needs an unsupported build afaik |
| 23:29:37 | metalic | they have one included on their site |
| 23:29:43 | metalic | Its a really nice theme |
| 23:29:51 | metalic | clean and good looking |
| 23:29:52 | _jz | thanx guys, and sorry for the stoopid question of someone who freaked out before finding out about the FAQ :) |
| 23:30:04 | scorche | well, just keep in mind that it is unsupported |
| 23:30:14 | _jz | May the Great GNU be with you :) |
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| 23:30:44 | wishes | thats incredibly sad :) |
| 23:30:59 | metalic | thanks for the great help!!! |
| 23:31:09 | metalic | Im gonna try the thing out anyway :D |
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| 23:32:33 | DerPapst | wishes: what do you mean? |
| 23:32:52 | wishes | DerPapst, the Great GNU quote :) |
| 23:33:11 | DerPapst | heh |
| 23:33:53 | DerPapst | RNU maybe |
| 23:34:20 | DerPapst | ^ isn't as cool as GNU |
| 23:34:25 | * | DerPapst gives up |
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| 23:42:22 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Hopefully you can reduce the binary size of rbutilqt... |
| 23:42:58 | linuxstb_ | (looking at the 12MB of qt .dlls you included) |
| 23:44:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: The ifndef BOOTLOADER is on purpose afaics, so the bootloader doesn't touch clock setup |
| 23:44:16 | bluebrother | I really hope this gets better when linking statically |
| 23:44:39 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Yes, I misread that as a comment, rather than a #elif... |
| 23:44:55 | amiconn | And I know that it's the alternative setup which is used when HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ isn't defined - what irritates me is that it's done on the cop when using dualcore |
| 23:45:25 | amiconn | And this can't be just a coincidence - there is another case for when running single core |
| 23:47:04 | amiconn | <unrelated>I wonder how many utils we need, perhaps one per gui toolkit?</unrelated> |
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| 23:49:22 | * | amiconn rties to trace this back in the irc logs around dualcore commit time |
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| 23:50:14 | fionnghall | llo |
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| 23:55:10 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Could your perfcheck() function be run on the COP to test the COP's speed? |
| 23:55:43 | amiconn | Why not? But both cores always run at the same speed - unless you figured out clock skipping... |
| 23:56:42 | amiconn | The perfcheck is very simple - it's basically like udelay, but with irq and fiq disabled and counting cycles until a certain (calibrated) duration is over |
| 23:56:49 | DerPapst | is that even possible to run one core at a different speed? |
| 23:57:07 | DerPapst | *than the other |
| 23:57:13 | amiconn | It should, if my (our?) interpretation of the pp product brief is correct |
| 23:57:24 | DerPapst | wow.. |
| 23:57:54 | amiconn | DerPapst: Not independent of each other, but the product brief states "independent clock skipping feature" for the cop |
| 23:58:16 | DerPapst | i thought that would give a lot of problems on cashe |
| 23:58:22 | amiconn | I think that means the cop can be programmed to leave out clock cycles |
| 23:58:33 | DerPapst | aha |
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| 23:58:42 | amiconn | I'm not at all sure in what way this feature works |
| 23:58:57 | DerPapst | basicly like a nop instruction |
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