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#rockbox log for 2007-07-27

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00:01:55*DerPapst wonders how many target amiconn already has
00:02:14*Llorean wants to shake people in the forums sometimes.
00:02:19amiconnDerPapst: 10
00:02:34*Llorean only has 5 :(\
00:02:44*krazykit only has 1 :-O
00:02:45DerPapstwow o.O
00:03:00*DerPapst has at least 2 different :P
00:03:19amiconnWell 9 working and 1 to-be-ported
00:03:28amiconnMy targets are all different
00:04:02*pixelma has also 2 :\
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00:05:55*DerPapst doesn't have enough money to have more ;)
00:06:08*DerPapst says "moo"
00:06:15*amiconn has to sort the target list in configure
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00:08:10fluxamThe 036 rbutil did not autodetect my Sansa e280. I'm in 64bit Gutsy Gibbon now; you have no amd64 rbutil.
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00:08:35*DerPapst notes that today more /me's are used than normal... errm.. thingys
00:09:26fluxamI plugged in via USB and icons appear on desktop, which I can browse, but the player say "Disconnected."
00:09:30DerPapsti thought /me is the action
00:09:36pixelmaspeaking in first person
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00:09:47DerPapst^ exactly :D
00:10:03fluxamI'll go home to my Macbook and see if rbutil will work on that.
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00:24:53klbosteeI've got a sansa e260 and all of a sudden I am not able to make a USB connection to it from linux (ubuntu)
00:25:15klbosteeanyone who experienced the same problem (and knows a solution)?
00:25:49Lloreanklbostee: It's not exactly a Rockbox concern, is it? Since we don't have any USB mode.
00:26:20klbosteeI know
00:26:28amiconnG1/g2 have no RTC...
00:26:33klbosteejust thought that maybe someone knew a solution...
00:27:06iambenklbostee: check dmesg for errors, check to see the device node was created, try mounting it by hand
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00:27:57klbosteeiamben: do you the command I should use to mount it by hand?
00:28:53iambendid dmesg show a device node being added? for example mine shows a line like sd 29:0:0:0: [sdd] Assuming drive cache: write through
00:29:14iambenmeaning /dev/sdd is the sansa, and /dev/sdd1 is the partition we are interested in
00:29:26klbostee[ 78.576000] usb 5-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3
00:29:26klbostee[ 79.688000] usb 5-5: device descriptor read/64, error -71
00:29:41iambenthat would be a problem
00:29:58iambenare you in the default fw, or rockbox atm?
00:29:58klbosteehmm.. did the filesystem get corrupted somehow or so?
00:30:17iambenthats a usb issue, not filesystem
00:30:17klbosteedefault now
00:31:05iambenand if you unplug & replug the sansa, all that shows in dmesg are errors like that?
00:31:05klbosteeI connected it a few times while rockbox was still running by mistake though
00:31:25klbosteeit used to work great, and it still works in windows
00:31:49iambenwell thats the error i get when rockbox is running rather than the default firmware when i plug it in
00:31:51bluebrothernice. New wps tag added and already it's buggy :o
00:33:53klbosteehmm, could that error still be there from the time I plugged it in when running rockbox maybe?
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00:34:23klbosteeit might also not give any errors at all now
00:34:28iambenwell on mine, i just unplug it, boot the normal fw, and plug it in again and it goes back to normal
00:34:51klbosteei;e. the sansa says "connected", but nothing seems to happen
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00:36:04DerPapstbluebrother: do you mean %px?
00:37:33klbosteeiamben: do you think it is possible that these troubles are caused by a corrupted filesystem?
00:37:37iambenklbostee: if you are for sure are in the default sandisk firmware, and plugging it in doesnt say ANYTHING about a sansa attached, something is wrong w/ your usb system
00:38:22iambenit would have to successfully detect a usb storage device before it could even think about looking for a filesystem
00:38:49iambenif you have it modularized, try unloading/reloading all of your usb modules... or *gasp* reboot
00:39:06*DerPapst wonders how one could mix up rockbox and the OF
00:39:15klbosteewell, I am quite sure
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00:39:50klbosteeI have experienced this problem between multiple reboots though :(
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00:41:30pixelmabluebrother: do you mean that progress thing?
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00:42:03klbosteehmm.. tryed another USB port, and now it works...
00:42:10*DerPapst hates randomly crashing apps :-/
00:42:43Arathisamiconn: just saw your recent commits (80MHz and LCD speedup). Are they tested and stable? In this case I'd update now, but otherwise I won't cause I need my player to run 6-7h tomorrow ..
00:42:59amiconnThey are stable for me
00:43:23klbosteeweird.. but thanks for helping me out iamben
00:44:03klbosteethanks to you I didn't do an unnessary reformat :)
00:45:36Arathisamiconn: I'll just make a backup of my .rockbox on the player so I can easily exchange the builds :)
00:47:07Arathiswell .. on the other hand it might be somehow difficult to delete .rockbox while it's running ..
00:48:13amiconnIt's not, as long as you aren't playing music
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00:54:33klbosteeiambem: btw, it works again using the other port now.. really weird
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00:55:45iambeni've had such an issue before, not w/ a sansa but w/ another device where i could enable/disable usb mass storage support on the fly
00:56:10iambenit got the idea that this usb device did NOT function properly, and even after i set it back to UMS mode it would continue throwing the same error
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00:58:10DerPapstheh "* This config file is for the Apple iPod 3g" from firmware/export/config-ipod1g2g.h :P
01:02:10DerPapstsry ;)
01:04:28amiconnHmm, it does have an rtc...
01:05:37amiconnAh, no
01:05:53amiconnThere is a clock in the OF, but no rtc
01:06:26amiconnResetting the ipod resets the time.
01:07:21amiconnSomehow it manages to read the time from the PC via the firewire connection...
01:07:39DerPapstwow o.O
01:07:45DerPapstdidn't know that
01:08:06amiconnJust connecting and disconnecting is enough to set the time
01:08:24DerPapstwonder how it's doing that
01:08:49amiconnmagic ;)
01:08:56amiconnBtw, check my latest commit ;)
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01:09:40*DerPapst is happy now ;)
01:10:14amiconnumm? segfaulted while building the H10 bootloader...
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01:10:34*Llorean had just noticed that too
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01:17:19Arathisamiconn: new bootloader?
01:17:47linuxstb_amiconn: Are you sure the Apple updater didn't install an ipodservice.exe or similar? (thinking about how the time was set...)
01:19:27DerPapsti guess that means yes
01:19:30*amiconn deactivated it for now
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01:20:03amiconnI won't install the updater right now, because I might need it again for the G1
01:21:08*linuxstb_ should add conversion to ipodpatcher - the formatting code is already there, it just needs the partition table writing
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01:22:03DerPapsti thought formatting didn't work as expected (esp. on 5.5G iPods)
01:22:30Arathisamiconn: why a new bootloader for the H10s?
01:22:46amiconnNo new bootloader...
01:23:14linuxstb_DerPapst: AFAIK, it works fine for 512-byte sectors. Someone who knows more about FAT than me will need to add 2048-byte support.
01:23:15amiconnBootloaders are built from svn on every commit, in order to check whether a commit breaks them
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01:23:23saratogalinuxstb: I just sample per sample compared a 320CBR Mp3 with adn without the MAD ASM patch and the files were identical
01:23:24Arathisah, okay
01:23:28saratogalinuxstb_: you too :)
01:23:45amiconnThat doesn't mean you should use them (and they aren't provided for download either)
01:23:48DefineBytewhen compiling rockbox is there any way to specifiy the target platform in a script (with bash)?
01:24:44linuxstb_DefineByte: You can use echo or printf to pipe the responses to tools/configure
01:24:45DefineBytedoes tools/configure accept any arguments?
01:25:08linuxstb_e.g. printf "20\nN\n" | ../tools/configure
01:25:13DefineBytereally? thanks. only used bash for a day. xD does that afaik
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01:30:54DefineByteo it works (suprise). I'm a linux virgin, >.>
01:31:38DefineBytesurprise (sp)
01:31:50DefineByteanyway, thanks again
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01:36:23nekura42can't even read my own text... guess I reboot Colloquy
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03:06:10krylonWhat's the easiest way to create a playlist of everything on your drive
03:07:45LloreanIf it's in a Music folder, just insert that folder
03:08:02LloreanIf not, while in the root, use the option to create a playlist in the menus.
03:08:09LloreanMake sure that recursive insertion is enabled.
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03:08:19LloreanThere's plenty of info on these options in the manual.
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03:21:49d4rkmonkeyHey, i have a 30GB 5.5G iPod Video and it just stopped turning on today, I put it in the charger but it doesn't seem to be charging, could this be because of rockbox?
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03:27:56LloreanHave you tried the full reset procedure?
03:30:55krylonLlorean thanks for the help. I tried searching for it but was unsuccessful
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04:26:36LloreanThat's what happens a window opens automatically while you're typing. =/
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06:14:23webguest74how do you boot into the apple firmware using a ipod video
06:14:38Lloreanwebguest74: It's in the manual, in the Quick Start chapter.
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06:20:36rockohow to increase the size of the font
06:22:03scorchechange the font
06:22:11scorchethis is explained in the manual
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06:33:36jhMikeSwhat is this jumpscroll thing? I don't see the settings used anywhere at all but just as a setting in the menus. It's charmode btw.
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06:34:45jhMikeSyeah. jump_scroll, jump_scroll_delay.
06:35:16LloreanIs that the scroll acceleration jdgordon added?
06:35:30jhMikeSI don't think so.
06:35:33LloreanOr "list acceleration"
06:35:36*JdGordon doesnt either
06:35:37LloreanIt jumps entries
06:35:41*Llorean shrugs
06:35:44LloreanDunno then
06:35:53jhMikeSlcd-charcell.c has functions to set variables in the driver, but no use of it.
06:35:58LloreanBy the way, finally got to try the new sansa scrolling. That's *nice*
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06:36:50jhMikeSso it works? :) good to hear. I hope noone demands a setting since I tried to pick values that seem comfortable.
06:37:04JdGordonyeah, dont tihnk it needs
06:37:20LloreanYeah, I don't think a setting would be appropriate.
06:37:32LloreanVery long lists still take a bit to get through, but I think they always will
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06:38:19LloreanOnly about 10 seconds for a 640 entry list, so not too bad.
06:38:34LloreanAnd it feels quite natural
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06:41:12jhMikeStry flicking the wheel fast a few times. it should get through it in a few.
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06:42:17jhMikeSseems a bit resistant to flicking at low clock speed :\
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06:43:23LloreanYeah, I can't *quite* move it fast enough, regularly enough I think.
06:43:49jhMikeSIf the CPU speed is 80MHz it works right. I wonder what the deal is.
06:44:19LloreanHow do I add boost.
06:44:25LloreanI can't figure out what button in the CPU freq screen
06:44:40jhMikeSDebug|CPU Frequency. Turn the wheel left.
06:44:56LloreanThat didn't work after I accidentally set it to 24mhz
06:45:27jhMikeSshould go back to 80 with a wheel turn. it's working here.
06:45:34LloreanAh well, I have it 80 now
06:45:47LloreanFeels about the same at 80 to me, but I didn't have music playing while unboosted.
06:45:56LloreanBut I have a bit of a hard time with the wheel on the Sansa.
06:46:18LloreanIt works well enough though. I'd like to see the iPods work the same, at least.
06:47:44jhMikeSabout the only preference it might need is to change the speed scale
06:48:10LloreanHow fast "fast" is?
06:49:12jhMikeSwell it's c*v^2 basically. so changing c would change the feel of the fast speeds more than the slower ones.
06:50:14jhMikeSabsolute is 7*v^2 on sansa v = click/uS in 0.24 fixed point
06:51:34LloreanMight as well try adding a menu option to control c then, right? People like scroll speed settings.
06:52:17*amiconn was reminded that jump scroll is still waiting to be fixed :\
06:52:19jhMikeSI was thinking so
06:52:40jhMikeSamiconn: so it's not dead, just unborn?
06:52:55alienbiker99is there anybody working on the trackpad on the H10?
06:53:05amiconnIt is broken since my player lcd driver rework
06:53:46amiconnI was planning to fix it but then forgot about it
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06:54:16amiconnIn fact I wanted to make it work on bitmap targets as well
06:54:33jhMikeSamiconn: but what is it for?
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07:00:49*jhMikeS found the reference to it
07:04:26*JdGordon wonders what it is also
07:05:07JdGordonoh, thats not the scroll horizontally by chars instead of pixels is it?
07:05:25amiconnJump scroll is for scrolling text lines a screen width at a time
07:05:29jhMikeSIt's basically moves the test over one full screen at a time instead of by pixel increments
07:05:52amiconn(minus some so that the line starts with a word boundary in the next step
07:07:09amiconnIt was possible to set how often this happens when the text line was changed until it switches to standard scrolling
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07:10:59amiconnIt's a useful feature if the text is very long compared to screen width (very common on the player, but can happen on any target with a large enough font)
07:11:06amiconnYou get a quick overview
07:11:27amiconnIt might also be more pleasant on the slow H1x0 LCD
07:15:51alienbiker99will the h3x0 ever get a flashed bootloader like the h1x0 has?
07:16:17LloreanUm, the H3x0 already has a flashed bootloader
07:16:22LloreanDo you mean running Rockbox from flash?
07:17:17LloreanWell, someone with an H300 needs to do the work
07:17:29LloreanIt should be as possible as it was for the H100
07:17:34alienbiker99ah ok
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08:22:09bahahahUndefined instruction at 400163A4 this is all my Ipod says after installing rockbox... I get the splash and that is all, Ipod photo 20 GB just formatted
08:22:26bahahahanyone have any Idea what is going on with this thing?
08:23:36LloreanYou downloaded from the "current build" link?
08:24:23bahahahcurrent build about 4 days ago, I had issues getting itunes to reformat the Ipod itself
08:24:33LloreanPlease be using an actual current build.
08:24:51bahahahso that it would accept the Ipod patcher
08:25:05bahahahok I'll give that a shot and come back
08:25:06LloreanIt's really not helpful if you're reporting problems in a 4-day old version that might've been fixed.
08:25:30GodEatermorning all
08:25:41bahahahvery true. sorry. sleep deprvation seems to skew logic
08:26:01LloreanIn fact, I believe this problem (the frequency scaling bug) should specifically be fixed now.
08:26:24bahahahGood night mister eater
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08:36:09GodEaterbad night on the forums Llorean ?
08:36:30LloreanGodEater: I've been sick for the last week, eating about a meal a day. I think I'm just cranky
08:36:48GodEaterit shows :) Hope you feel better soon!
08:37:01LloreanThen again, trying to explain that A) My nano works, B) The link to the manual works, and C) the guidelines aren't ambiguous on the subject of 'feature requests' has perhaps also put me on edge.
08:37:08*GodEater sends Llorean virtual chicken soup
08:37:23GodEaterit can't help
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08:38:04GodEaterI appear to have arrived once more in time for Jeff to unplug the network cable from
08:38:06*amiconn is somewhat lost in the ipl sources :(
08:38:23LloreanI spent a good 30 minutes trying to talk someone into clicking the "Online" link to the manual, because his PDF reader kept freezing and he wanted the manual emailed to him.
08:38:24GodEateramiconn: I know what you mean - they're a maze
08:38:36amiconnI can't seem to find the hardware shutdown
08:38:44GodEaterLlorean: maybe it would have been quicker to email it to him? :)
08:38:48LloreanAnd I'm curious about these two people experiencing Nano problems. Both sound like disk corruption, and my Nano's working perfectly.
08:39:15LloreanGodEater: I always thought I was like, one message from being done, or I think I would've.
08:39:17GodEateryes they both read oddly
08:39:43GodEateryeah - I guess it's easy to say "you should have done X" *after* you've read thirty messages of a thread
08:39:50LloreanWell, one of them had strange results when they checked the partition layout in Rockbox.
08:40:04GodEaterone of them is an old iPL user isn't he ?
08:40:23LloreanSaid he'd restored since then, but I'm not too trustful of the iTunes restore anymore.
08:40:39GodEaterI'm more distrustful of users who say they've done something
08:41:30LloreanI'm distrustful of ones who claim to have checked with "an" official build, because then I'm wondering "which" and "are you checking with one now, or simply saying you are"
08:41:55LloreanThen again, the only time I've ever accused a user of lying, they admitted to it.
08:42:17GodEaterwas that before or after you'd tied them to a chair and shone a torch in their eyes ?
08:42:27LloreanWell it was quite clear he was, so I said "Look, I know you're lying to me. You said this, it contradicts this." His response was "LOL, you're right" or some such.
08:43:15GodEaterthat LOL response infuriates me beyond all reason
08:43:36LloreanYeah, he knew he was lying, and he thought it was funny.
08:43:44LloreanI'm pretty sure this was before I had a hammer though
08:44:21LloreanI'm really curious what's going on with those Nanos, but the responses are always very minimalistic.
08:44:51GodEaterthat fluxam guy who was on here last night was annoying too
08:44:57GodEaterabout 3 minutes between each response
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08:47:31amiconnThe bootloader works... at least it boots OF
08:47:41amiconnButtons don't seem to work yet
08:48:31amiconnIt's a hw ver. 0x20000, disk is Toshiba MK2003GAH
08:48:40LloreanDoes RoLo work reliably on iPods yet?
08:49:04*amiconn doesn't know
08:49:07GodEaterdon't think it works at all does it ?
08:49:10LloreanIt worked somewhat
08:49:19amiconnI rarely use it as usb reboots into diskmode anyway
08:49:21GodEaterit's been a while since I tried it
08:49:24LloreanYou could RoLo the same build of Rockbox, and the diskmode image.
08:49:44amiconnRoLoing diskmode or diagmode never worked for me
08:50:14LloreanI mean, when it's working, we should be able to RoLo an apple_os.ipod even, right?
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08:52:20LloreanI'd get rid of Apple_OS in the firmware partition for faster boot.
08:52:35linuxstbYou can do that anyway - the bootloader can load it from a file without issues.
08:52:37*amiconn wonders what that has to do with rolo
08:52:49aliaskamiconn: Are you familiar at all with the ARM bootloader?
08:52:50Lloreanlinuxstb: Y'know, I forgot about that entirely for some reason.
08:53:11aliaskOr linuxstb.
08:53:17linuxstbaliask: There are 3 ARM bootloader - generic portalplayer (Sansa and H10), ipod and Gigabeat F/X.
08:53:45aliaskWell, I noticed that interrupts are disabled in most (all?)
08:53:57aliaskWhy is this?
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08:54:26aliaskI'm actually talking about crt0.S, sorry.
08:55:03linuxstbI can only talk about the ipod bootloader - it's simply because the bootloader was written before we wrote interrupt handling code for the ipods, and as it worked, there was no desire for anyone to go back and change it.
08:55:03amiconnWe won't touch anything more than necessary, as that might confuse the OF
08:57:11aliaskAha. Fair enough. The tick timer relies on interrupts, doesn't it? So all the init stuff works fine without it?
08:57:35linuxstbOn PortalPlayer we fake the current_tick variable with a hardware usec timer.
09:02:43linuxstbaliask: I'm assuming your bootloader will be most similar to the Gigabeat F/X, so maybe talk to markun about it.
09:06:20amiconndo we?
09:06:58linuxstbIt's a #define somewhere.
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09:16:46amiconnipod G1 and G2 has inverse hold switch logic to all other ipods
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09:17:58*GodEater is starting to think that getting a plugin to exit into the file browser is not as trivial as he originally imagined
09:19:10amiconnA plugin always exits into a file browser, as that's where it is started from
09:19:33GodEaterwell I'm getting a blank screen from mine
09:19:46GodEaterwhich is disturbing
09:20:18*amiconn would expect such things when messing with the context behind the app's back
09:20:35GodEaterperhaps so
09:20:58GodEaterit would seem I need to force a redraw
09:21:07GodEaterbut I'm not sure how to do that
09:22:03amiconnWell, you change the filebrowser context. Expect a load of variables to get out of sync and the file browser no longer working until reboot
09:22:30amiconnJust a redraw is surely not the problem, as the browser does always redraw after return
09:22:48GodEaterthe filebrowser doesnt' require a reboot
09:22:49amiconnHow else would it display the files? (if nobody is messing with the context)
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09:22:54GodEateryou can exit back to the top menu
09:22:59GodEaterand then it works again as expected
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09:23:50amiconnYes, as you leave the sub-browser
09:23:51GodEaterthe number of key presses to get back to the top menu is consistent with where I've left the filebrowser in the filesystem too
09:24:00GodEaterit just doesn't redraw
09:25:42*GodEater thought that the fact set_current_file() was declared static was for a good reason
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09:25:54linuxstbamiconn: I assume you know about this page?
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09:26:15amiconnGodEater: In fact it might even work, just you don't notice
09:26:24amiconnHow do you run the plugin?
09:26:29GodEaterfrom the plugins menu
09:26:36amiconnDo you browse to it in the main browser?
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09:26:47GodEatervia the file browser you mean ?
09:26:53amiconnThe plugins "menu" isn't a menu, it's a sub-browser
09:27:05amiconnAnd it is set to only display .rock files
09:27:17GodEaterI see what you mean
09:27:22amiconnNot even dirs iirxc
09:27:25GodEaterI just launched it from the real file browser
09:27:29GodEaterand it works as expected
09:27:34GodEaterthanks amiconn ;)
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09:28:09GodEateris it possible to change the plugin browsers filter ?
09:29:37amiconnlinuxstb: Bootloader works now, at least what I can test without rockbox in place
09:30:18amiconnThe hold thing was puzzling, because the button read also checked hold for the G3, which is unused and unnecessary
09:30:34amiconnThere's a separate function for hold checking
09:34:38linuxstbI assume the new ipodpatcher is working fine?
09:34:38amiconnyup :)
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09:34:38amiconnThe lcd driver has some quirks. Need to check with a G3 owner if it has the same effect
09:34:38amiconnLCD is inverted for some reason (white text on black)
09:34:38DBUGEnqueued KICK amiconn
09:34:59amiconnYes, "everywhere" in the bootloader
09:35:11amiconnipl has some special case for the lcd init, need to compare
09:36:07amiconnThe OF corrects than during its own init
09:36:49amiconnIt seems the display is inverted when the backlight is on
09:37:10amiconnYOu can see that when switching the backlight in the OF
09:37:34amiconnSwitching off does a short fade, and during that fade, the lcd is inverted
09:38:13amiconnFun, eh?
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09:39:49Lloreanamiconn: Some people seem to think your frequency scaling changes have broken Rockbox on the Nano (I can't reproduce on my Nano, but two people are reporting it)
09:48:19amiconnHmm, always those targets I cannot test
09:48:49amiconnI had no problems on video & mini G2, and the nano also has PP5021 (handled as PP5022) like the video
09:49:10LloreanThe Nano works perfectly for me, too.
09:49:29LloreanAt least one of those looks like disk corruption, but that other one's strange.
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09:52:15amiconnlinuxstb: The GPIO page doesn't help me. I am looking for the hardware shutdown
09:52:33amiconnipods >= G3 do this via the PCF
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09:57:58linuxstbamiconn: I was just pointing out that GPIO page for general interest.
09:59:24linuxstbpoweroff could be in podzilla or podzilla2 - have you looked there?
10:00:36linuxstbArgh, seems podzilla and podzilla2 both call /bin/poweroff to do the shutdown...
10:00:41amiconnThe ipl pcf50605 installs a powermanagement handler - I need to find the equivalent for g1/g2
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10:03:06amiconnpm_power_off - does that ring a bell?
10:03:28Torinhi there.
10:04:36linuxstbamiconn: Maybe IPL don't know how to power-off the 1G/2G - at least they didn't in 2003 -
10:04:48Torini want to ask about themes in iaudio x5, becouse when i unpack anyone for example boeselhack_v1
10:05:09Torinit doesn't look like on screenshoot, but some things are from default theme, and some from that on that screenshot
10:06:17Torinany suggestions what might be wrong ?
10:07:31linuxstbamiconn: Does the diagnostics mode have a poweroff option? On my Color, there are two options under Power->Sleep - SleepShort (which is an Apple-style sleep) and SleepForever which appears to be the full power-off
10:08:46amiconnThere is a sleep option
10:08:51linuxstbTorin: Most likely cause is that the theme requires an unofficial (modified) version of Rockbox. The page you downloaded the theme from should indicate that.
10:09:32amiconnWhen executing that it will show the low bat symbol for a few seconds, then blank the display
10:09:55amiconnPushing a button brings up the low bat icon for a few seconds again
10:10:16Torinlinuxstb: themes are from the wiki
10:11:45pixelmaTorin: that theme probably needs a patch to run (e.g. all the album art ones do) - or it has broken syntax that wasn't a problem until Rockbox got stricter with parsing them a while ago
10:12:04pixelmas/patch/patched build
10:12:23Torinso i should search for the album art patch right now ?
10:12:37CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
10:12:37*amiconn wonders what "5 in 1" does
10:12:46amiconnIt blanks the display...
10:13:16amiconnAh, you have to press a button to continue...
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10:14:00pixelmaTorin: maybe you can find premade patched builds in the "unsupported builds" subforum that has it applied but be aware they are called unsupportd for a reason
10:15:26pixelmaof course you could also try to find the patch, apply it and compile yourself
10:16:06Torinpixelma: yeah i see it
10:16:25Torinpixelma: compiling is no problem for me, i'm working as an sysadmin every day :)
10:16:37Torinpixelma: just didn't knew about that patch :)
10:16:49Torinpixelma: thanks for informing me, i'm just downloading svn
10:19:25pixelmaheh :) but mentioning me once if no-one spoke to someone else in the meantime would have been enough ;)
10:23:29amiconnSeems like we have to figure out sleep mode, if only for the G1 and G2
10:24:57*amiconn will make shutdown == reboot for now
10:27:53linuxstbamiconn: Do you think a single build for Rockbox itself is feasible?
10:28:22amiconnThe differences are minimal
10:28:29amiconnJust some inits
10:29:44linuxstbThat's good - will make the installation straightforward.
10:30:34amiconnWe already know how to set the clock to 32kHz, but we need to get several other hardware settings right in order to no make it just crash
10:31:30Lynx_Does anyone know if something like those psychoacoustic bass enhancement algorithms like the Archos and the H300 have are available for PC mp3 playback software?
10:33:22amiconnAH, rockbox now links :)
10:33:36amiconnADC is not yet implemented, it's just a dummy
10:34:24amiconnlinuxstb: Do you know where the diskmode reboot stuff is located in ipl?
10:34:39*amiconn wants to check whether it's the same for 1st/2nd gen
10:36:59linuxstbloader2 is probably the best source - it seems to be the most actively developed piece of IPL.
10:37:21linuxstbAnd is completely standalone (it doesn't use the linux kernel)
10:38:11*amiconn wonders why the various ipl source codec pieces are scattered around the whole planet :/
10:38:25amiconn...and where the loader2 sources are
10:38:31linuxstbIn SVN
10:41:05linuxstbHmm, it seems loader2 calls the pcf functions for every target (IIUC)...
10:41:18*amiconn cannot seem to browse ipl svn
10:41:30amiconnStill down, I presume
10:41:39linuxstbI checked it out from a link DerPapst mentioned yesterday.
10:42:43*amiconn will check that soon
10:43:17linuxstbIt was Wednesday -
10:43:33linuxstbJust "svn co" and that URL worked for me IIRC.
10:44:06*linuxstb leaves, back later
10:44:08*amiconn currently tries to get rockbox to compile fully, so he can install his first build
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10:44:30amiconnLots of places to fix the keymap
10:50:04amiconnSeems like the video has some problems with latest rockbox....
10:50:18amiconnIt continues playing, but buttons don't react
10:50:50GodEateramiconn: another problem which has been reported a LOT in the forums recently
10:51:02amiconnSince when?
10:51:37pixelmaI believe ever since 80GB support
10:51:58pixelma(could remember wrong though)
10:52:02GodEateralthough I've not been able to reproduce it myself
10:52:14GodEaterbut there are two threads with people who've been complaining about it ever since then
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10:55:58pixelmaGodEater: a "dodge usb cable" can't work, IIUC ;)
10:57:59*GodEater corrects his spelling
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11:03:13*bluebrother remembers the greyscale work he did on Rockboxed
11:03:36bluebrotherbut no response from JustJohnny in the forums thread :(
11:04:45pixelmaamiconn: btw. I don't know if it helps any but the freezing problem on Ipod Video was also reported by 30GB owners
11:05:11amiconnWell, it doesn't freeze, otherwise music would stop
11:06:15pixelmathe ui freezes
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11:08:10pixelmasome reports here
11:10:01*GodEater looks in confusion at root_menu.c.
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11:12:12digiboxerany help on how to make 16bit bmp's look as goos as some of the downloadable themes
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11:45:10amiconnRockbox boots, but complains about empty battery and tries to shutdown (which is mapped to reboot)
11:46:10Kasperleis this the most current WPS documentation: ?
11:48:24pixelmaKasperle: yes, I think that's the must up-to-date one
11:49:33Kasperleare the %XX tags case-sensitive?
11:49:46linuxstbAll tags are case-sensitive afaik.
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11:50:37Kasperleany ideas what "%Cl" or "%C" might be (note the capitalized C). they're in a wps that, according to the ipod5g wps gallery, doesn't need any patches, but i cannot find %C in the WPS docs
11:50:47Kasperlealso, the wps doesn't work
11:51:03pixelmaI believe that has to do with album art
11:53:02pixelmawhich is unofficial and only documented in the patch tracker (I think) and the official wps rejects wps that uses them
11:53:20pixelma+parser (where it fits) ;)
11:56:23pixelmabefore the wps tokenizer work, rockbox ignored these tags - maybe that's why the description says that this wps doesn't need patches
11:56:24Kasperlehrm. turns out _that_ wps even requires AA. debugged the wrong one
11:57:03pixelma(the official version I mean)
11:59:37Kasperleah. was it formerly ok to just have a "|" character in wps files?
12:00:18Kasperlethe ui simulator complained about lines like "%ac%fc (%?fb<%fbkbps| >) | %?fs<%fsKB|>" and " %ac%ig | %iy"
12:00:23pixelmait was not ok (should have been escaped with a '%' before too) but it worked
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12:00:55pixelmause '%|" if it's only used as letter
12:00:56Kasperleah, so i assume the author wanted to output a pipe, and i'll just escape it
12:01:29Kasperlemight even make sense in that theme. cheers :)
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12:02:15pixelmayes, otherwise it's a seperator in conditionals - and there it would be outside of a conditional...
12:02:37GodEaterI don't get it. "rocks_browser" is only mentioned twice in the whole source tree - both times in root_menu.c - but I can't see where it's defined!!
12:06:12*amiconn wonders what's up with
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12:07:17DerPapstGood morning :)
12:07:43*amiconn looks at the time and ntices it's already afternoon
12:08:16bluebrotherbetter now? ;-)
12:08:26DerPapstno worries... i'm already up a few hours...
12:08:32DerPapst(2 at least :P)
12:08:47bluebrothermore than 2 here :)
12:09:14*DerPapst likes to sleep a little longer
12:09:56dionoeaGodEater: it's defined by the MENU_RETURN_VALUE macro call
12:10:25DerPapstamiconn: you wanted someone with a G3 ~09:30?
12:11:04amiconnJust to verify something: does the LCD look inverted when backlight is on vs. when backlight is off?
12:11:12amiconnIn rockbox of course
12:11:29amiconnThen this is 1st/2nd gen special effect only
12:12:01DerPapstthe first screenies of iPL had these effect too :D
12:12:27amiconnYes. I saw that ipl has special code for handling this
12:12:41amiconnI just don't care right now, as this is cosmetic
12:13:08GodEaterdionoea: thanks - I'll see if I can follow that
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12:14:41GodEatergood god - that looks like a complete nightmare. My C syntax skills aren't up to having half a clue what's going on there :(
12:15:13DerPapstwhich file?
12:15:20*DerPapst wants to be scared too
12:15:24dionoeaGodEater: it's defining two vars as far as i can tell
12:15:58GodEaterall I want to know if how to change the dirfilters setting of the plugin browser tree context
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12:16:47*GodEater curses JdGordon
12:17:13Nico_Pwhat did he do to deserve this ?
12:17:38GodEaterhis menu macros
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12:17:43GodEaterI don't understand them at all
12:17:48amiconnMister macroman
12:18:07Nico_PGodEater: you've looked at the definitions, have you ?
12:18:23GodEateryes - and they might as well be written in greek
12:19:54Nico_Pwhat about the existing code ?
12:20:45GodEaterthat's what I was trying to decipher
12:21:23GodEaterI was trying to find out which bit of code is launched when you select the plugin browser
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12:23:08DerPapstwould it be a good idea to somehow categorize pluging in directories (with a plugin browser that is able to display dirs)?
12:23:59pixelmabluebrother already made a patch that does this, IIRC...
12:24:40*DerPapst sarches flyspray
12:26:00*DerPapst found it
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12:27:12amiconnDerPapst: If you have a suggestion how to localise the sub-dir names....
12:27:35*GodEater finally finds what he wants
12:28:18GodEaternot that it helps
12:30:29DerPapstamiconn: i actually don't even know what is meant by that (might be a lack of english skills or a lack of rockbox knowledge.... probably both)
12:33:35Nico_PGodEater: do you still have a git mirror of the rockbox svn ?
12:34:27GodEaternot a complete one
12:35:28Nico_Pit doesn't start at r1 ?
12:35:45amiconnI can now boot rockbox, browse the menu, run plugins etc
12:36:11amiconnBut buttons are glitchy, and it rebbots out of nowhere after some time
12:36:25GodEaterNico_P: No
12:36:40GodEaterNico_P: I broke my r1 one whilst trying to get it exported
12:36:46GodEaterand couldn't be bothered to get it again
12:36:53Nico_PI'm doing one now
12:37:13amiconnThe inverted lcd during backlight is due to how the backlight works
12:37:30amiconnIf there is bright light in front of the lcd it doesn't invert even with backlight on
12:37:33Nico_PI'm going to be on a vacation without internet access but with time to work so I'm getting ready for some offline commits
12:38:55DerPapstamiconn: nice :)
12:39:13Nico_Pmaybe I could post the reop on a public hosting site
12:39:22*amiconn will put on some music now
12:40:19GodEaterNibbier: ?
12:41:05Nico_PGodEater: I don't know any other ::)
12:42:23GodEateris the global_settings struct visible to plugins ?
12:43:22Nico_PGodEater: you might want push access ?
12:43:40GodEaterNico_P: maybe :)
12:47:52Nico_PGodEater: got a username at that site ?
12:48:02GodEaterdon't think so
12:48:06GodEaterlet me go create one
12:49:16GodEaterI'll let you guess the username ;)
12:49:36Nico_Pdone :)
12:50:08Nico_PThe code won't be up for a while though... I'm approching r3000
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12:51:37GodEaterno problem
12:52:09Nico_Pshouldn't rockbox's "Open Source Jukebox Firmware" be "Open Source Digital Jukebox Firmware" or something ?
12:52:53DerPapstOpen Source DAP Firmware :P
12:54:18markunDerPapst: sounds good
12:54:34markunalthough many people don't know what DAP means
12:54:38DerPapstmarkun: thanks :)
12:55:17DerPapstadd <sub>Digital Audio Player</sub> then :P
12:55:49Nico_Pwhy not "Open Source Digital Audio Player Firmware" ?
12:56:25markunyes, typical OSDAPF project
12:57:14pixelmano-one will know what it is because they'll probably loose interest after "Audio" ;)
12:57:25pixelmawhen reading that
12:57:31Nico_Phehe :)
12:57:49DerPapstamiconn: i wonder.. the G1/G2 buttonlayout is pretty similar to the G4 layout hardware wise. couldn't one use the #define CONFIG_KEYPAD IPOD_4G_PAD in config-ipod1g2g.h to keep the code simpler/smaller
12:57:58markunOpen Audio Player Firmware?
12:58:25amiconnThe 4g can detect wheel positions (most of them)
12:58:26markunalthough Open DAP Firmware sounds better I think
12:58:42markunMaybe with "The" in front of it
12:58:47amiconnAnd the 1g/2g pad allows to press opposite buttons at once, unlike the 4g pad
12:59:12amiconnThat's probably why apple had to change the reset & diskmode combos
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12:59:44DerPapstah ok
12:59:51DerPapsthaven't thought on that
13:01:16amiconnYou can also press a button _and_ use the wheel at the same time
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13:01:45DerPapstthat will introduce a lot of fun keycombos then ^^
13:01:48amiconn(very tricky if you try that with one hand though)
13:03:00*DerPapst imagines a plugin that uses Scroll_fwd and button_menu as combination :-/
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13:05:42amiconnBUTTON_LEFT + scrolling is easy 2-handed
13:06:48DerPapstbut the keycombo ansich (<−− german) is a litte strange ;)
13:08:23*amiconn now fakes a battery voltage of 4.00V to silence the low voltage shutdown :/
13:10:03pixelmaDerPapst: "ansich" - what word is that? :P
13:10:35DerPapstmaybe "an sich"
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13:10:44DerPapstyou know my typo skills :P
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13:19:25webguest26hello, i get an error : prefetch abort at C6459E26, how can i fix it?
13:20:54DerPapstwhich DAP, which build?
13:21:20webguest26ipod video 30gb, i am now installing the last build to see if the error continues
13:21:34Nick_Brackleywhat were you doing at the time?
13:21:43webguest26audio playback
13:21:49webguest26any track
13:22:05DerPapstthere have been made some stabillity fixes a few days ago
13:22:14webguest26seems to work fine now
13:22:23webguest26at least past the crashing point so far
13:22:36webguest26note to self : next time first update, then ask :P
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13:27:47amiconnThe 2nd gen for windows didn't come with iTunes, but with MusicMatch jukebox
13:28:19DerPapstyep.. they haven't ported iTunes to windows
13:28:27DerPapstwhen the 2G came out
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13:54:44bluebrotherhmm, wasn't there a plan to have an official git mirror of svn?
13:55:17GodEaterdon't think it ever got further than "a plan"
13:55:51bluebrotherdoes the repo sync with svn? I assume it does not?
14:03:18DerPapstwith a scipt running on
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14:03:58Nico_Pbluebrother: it doesn't
14:04:10GodEaterit could be made to
14:04:20GodEateror rather, rockbox's svn could be made to push to it
14:04:22Nico_PI still hope one day bagder will get round to setting up a git mirror
14:04:38bluebrotherDerPapst: well, if there is a script running at, why not host it at in the first place?
14:05:01bluebrotherwhile I don't think we should move to git a mirror would be nice.
14:05:06Nico_Pbtw, I'll soon have reached the latest rev
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14:05:44Nico_Pthing is I didn't get all branches, only trunk/
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14:07:13GodEaterNico_P: so you're missing the Gigabeat S branch ?
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14:07:25Nico_Psadly I am
14:07:31GodEaterI don't think the others were important - they were just created as part of the cvs import
14:07:34GodEaterfrom what I recall
14:07:43GodEaterthe Gigabeat S is the only important branch
14:12:41Nico_Pafter repacking, the repo is 65 MB
14:23:19Nico_PI'm being asked for a password....
14:25:43GodEatereven using their push url?
14:25:58amiconnNow to find out why playback doesn't work yet...
14:26:00Nico_Pyes, but it might be related to my username
14:26:16GodEaterbbl - lunch!
14:27:57DerPapstpff instead to power down after a certain time beeing ilde the 3G iPod decides to simply freeze (in the wps - the default one).
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14:29:07amiconnIn wps it's never idle
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14:29:21DerPapstah ok.
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14:30:01DerPapstbut if i leave it alone in the wps without playing music it frezes after a short time
14:30:51DerPapstjust froze again while loading music... ah well :)
14:34:16*amiconn wonders how DerPapst can leave it in the wps without playing music
14:34:22amiconnThat's impossible in rockbox
14:34:51DerPapstwell.. all i do is hitting pause
14:35:02DerPapstand it says in that screen frozen
14:35:41DerPapstbut the cool thing is when backlight is off and i press a button light goes on and stays on forever
14:35:59DerPapstclock doesn't update either
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14:56:09bluebrotherDomonoky: for the logs, I'm out for the weekend. If I find time I might try looking in bootloader installation.
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15:07:21bradhiya gents i got a problem with rockbox
15:09:08bradmy nano 4GB has been using rockbox for quite some time now perfectly, but for some reason, its 'stuck'; on a rockbox screen where theres a big tick symbol and it says 'Disk Mode' on the top and 'OK to Disconnnect' on the bottom
15:09:49bradi can't turn the ipod off. ive tried all the buttons and nothing seems to work. anyone got any ideas?
15:10:03crashd_brad: that's an ipod disk mode screen
15:10:13crashd_have you tried holding down menu+select
15:10:27crashd_or holding down play
15:10:40bradoh yes.
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15:11:06bradcrashd, i did the menu+select thing and rock box is back up and running
15:11:22bradi love yu and want to have your babies
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15:11:59bradno but seriously, thanks for that as it was like that a few days.
15:12:07crashd_no problems dude
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15:12:21bradCheers. so the menu+select is a 'reset/refresh' ?
15:12:21crashd_if something breaks, menu+select usually fixes it, it's a hardware reboot so even if rockbox is fuxed it should work
15:12:29DerPapst^ doesnt souund good
15:12:45crashd_it's the hardware reboot interrupt
15:12:51*amiconn applied the single place where the 1st/2nd gen audio init is different form the 3rd gen
15:12:54crashd_whereas holding down play is the software shutdown/restart
15:13:08TickyTacky5hi im new to all this, i would like to know if i installed rockbox on my ipod, is there a way i can make it boot in apple by default?
15:13:10DerPapstamiconn: doesn't work?
15:13:21amiconnNow instead of hanging in the wps (and still possible to leave it) it hangs before showing the wps
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15:14:00bradcrashd: again thanks for your help mate
15:14:06crashd_as i say, no problems
15:14:11DerPapstno way to test audio without the wps screen?
15:14:28amiconnNo audio at all
15:14:52amiconnEither something is wrong with this init, or I missed another place
15:16:09TickyTacky5so can you boot with the apple firmware by default?
15:16:20DerPapstwps seems to be buggy on all pp5002 targets then ;)
15:16:37DerPapstTickyTacky5: not with the official bootloader
15:16:55TickyTacky5how then?
15:17:16DerPapstyou have to compile an own bootloader for that tast
15:17:49TickyTacky5well that might be a problem considering i have no idea what a bootloader is
15:17:50amiconnDerPapst: With the 3rd gen i2s init in place, the wps shows up fine, and as long as I don't fiddle with playback controls like play/pause or skip, I can even leave it
15:19:32TickyTacky5despapst, can you have apple firmware, rockbox, and ipodlinux all at the same time?
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15:25:05TickyTacky5where do i download plugins for rockbox, all i see is plugin index
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15:25:32DerPapstyou have them already
15:25:47DerPapstthey are preinstalled
15:25:59TickyTacky5all of them?
15:26:16TickyTacky5snaaaap..thats awesome
15:26:41TickyTacky5i think im liking rockbox for that ipodlinux
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15:28:44AceNikhey guys i cant compile suddenly today , i get awarning " elf-gcc" should be in your path , this will allow us to make the necessary checks?
15:28:51AceNiki used to compile before fine
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15:30:33DerPapstare you sure the toolchain is in your PATH?
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15:31:32AceNik DerPapst: i compiled my last build 5 days a go, do you think i need to check something them i will , please tell me, im compiling from a different folder
15:32:19DerPapstfor what target are you compiling?
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15:35:43AceNik DerPapst: h10[20GB]
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15:37:40AceNik DerPapst: do i compile a build n c if i get a error
15:38:19DerPapstdo: export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH
15:38:27DerPapstbefore you compile
15:42:02Nico_PGodEater: I've pushed the whole svn history to and I've found the way to allow anyone to clone that and turn it into a git-svn repo :)
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15:55:01AceNik__hey gusy i cant compile today im attaching a error link
15:57:09AceNik__please help
15:57:50Nico_PAceNik__: the important line is "WARNING: The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path!"
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15:58:16Nico_PAceNik___: did you run ?
15:58:36AceNik___Nico_P: i compiled 5 days a go it all worked fine , i havent changed anythin
15:59:03Nico_Papparently your PATH has changed
15:59:16GodEateryou didn't save it ?
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15:59:30Nico_Pno idea but the configure script can't find the amr-elf-gcc executable
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15:59:53GodEaterwhat does "echo $PATH" say AceNik ?
16:00:31GodEaterNico_P: cloning now ;)
16:00:51Nico_PGodEater: have you seen my edit on the wiki page ?
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16:01:18GodEaternot yet
16:01:24*GodEater goes to look
16:01:36{AceNik}_GodEater: it gives some path
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16:02:28Nico_P{AceNik}_: do you know where arm-elf-gcc is on your system ? ("which arm-elf-gcc" could tell you but it probably won't work in this case)
16:02:59GodEater{AceNik}_: if you want help, you kind of need to be explicit. I already KNOW it gives "some kind of path" I need to know what it specifically says for you.
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16:05:22GodEaterNico_P: nice tips on the wiki page
16:05:58GodEaterNico_P: does it rely on us doing regular pushes to it to keep it up to date ?
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16:06:33Nico_Pthat's why I still hope for Bagder to set us up with an official mirror
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16:06:47Nico_P...that would be updated by a script on each SVN commit
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16:07:34GodEaterwould be nice
16:08:33GodEateris /opt/arm/bin where you arm-elf-gcc is ?
16:10:02AceNikGodEater: that folder contains a file named arm-elf-gcc
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16:10:55GodEaterso what does typing "which arm-elf-gcc" tell you ??
16:10:58AceNik& D:\cygwin\opt\arm has both a folder named "arm-elf" & "bin"
16:13:13AceNikit says /opt/arm/bin/arm-elf-gcc
16:15:05GodEaterAceNik: in that case try deleting your build directory wherever it is, create it again, and re-run configure
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16:15:52DerPapstafaik the toolchain doesn't install to opt
16:16:17DerPapstmaybe run export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH and look if it works again? :P
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16:16:39AceNikok guys gimme 2 minutes ill check
16:17:36GodEaterDerPapst: that's true on most POSIX operating systems where you've used - but not if you've used the cygwin installer
16:18:45GodEaterNico_P: successfully cloned :)
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16:19:10linuxstbDid anyone ever write a "using git with Rockbox" wiki page?
16:19:35AceNikguys both the things dont work, listen it worked fine 5 days ago
16:19:44DerPapstone can use the cygwin installer to install the rb toolchain?
16:19:46AceNiki jus did svn up all the rest of the days
16:20:08DerPapsti used on cygwin
16:20:09linuxstbDerPapst: hosts cygwin packages for the compilers (or at least it used to)
16:20:25linuxstbOne of the many "how to compile" wiki pages gives the info.
16:20:36DerPapstwow.. didn't know that :D
16:20:48GodEaterlinuxstb: I'm using my own git-svn repo
16:20:53*DerPapst still preferes ;)
16:21:07linuxstbDerPapst: I bet it took a while to run though...
16:21:16*GodEater shudders to think
16:21:19Domonokyor use the prepared Vm image :-)
16:21:26GodEaterquicker still ;)
16:21:35AceNikguys what can i do ?
16:21:37DerPapstabout 2 or more hours just for arm ;)
16:21:57linuxstbAceNik: If arm-elf-gcc is in /opt/arm/bin/ then add /opt/arm/bin to your path.
16:22:07GodEaterlinuxstb: it's already in his path
16:22:18linuxstbSo what's the problem?
16:22:23GodEaterconfigure doesn't think it is
16:22:30GodEaterwhich arm-elf-gcc finds it
16:22:36AceNiki have a folder called If arm-elf in that path
16:22:40GodEaterbut not the rockbox configure script
16:22:49linuxstbAceNik: Do you have more than one cygwin window open?
16:23:22linuxstbWhat happens if you type "arm-elf-gcc -v" ?
16:23:27GodEaterlinuxstb: also - Nico_P wrote his quick guide to using git with the rockbox svn tree on the GitVersionControl page
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16:24:05AceNiknothin happens
16:24:21linuxstbNothing at all?
16:24:30AceNiknothin at all
16:24:33GodEaterAceNik: how about "/opt/arm/bin/arm-elf-gcc -v"
16:24:41AceNikwhich arm-elf-gcc shows the right path
16:25:13GodEatersounds like a broken arm-elf-gcc then
16:25:20GodEateror a broken cygwin
16:26:00DerPapstyou can have multiple cygwin windows open
16:26:22AceNikguys how does one revert to a custom date
16:26:24DerPapstwithout problem
16:26:40linuxstbDerPapst: I was ruling out that AceNik had different PATHs in different shells
16:26:49*DerPapst compiles the sim and the targetbuild side by side :)
16:26:59DerPapstah. ok
16:27:02DerPapstthen nvm
16:27:06GodEaterAceNik: it's nothing to do with date your source code is from
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16:27:13AceNiklinuxstb: i have been compiling since long how come this has started suddenly
16:27:32*GodEater is tempted by the windows favourite "reboot"
16:27:34linuxstbAceNik: I've no idea - I don't use cygwin
16:27:45GodEatercygwin is bloody horrible
16:28:02DerPapstit shouldn't even happen in cygwin
16:28:09AceNikhehe, then uys what o i use?
16:28:24AceNikshould i try reinstalling the cygwin installer stuff
16:28:36GodEaterAceNik: I'd be more tempted to advise you to use the vmware image
16:28:40*DerPapst wonders if XavierGr or amiconn vm images are up somewhere
16:28:43GodEaterit's faster than the cygwin one by a lot
16:28:49AceNikwell unfortunately im cluless with linux never used, & to top it all , im using XP
16:29:01GodEaterAceNik: that's why use the vmware image
16:29:45AceNikcan i use the same setup files as cygwin packaes for vmware
16:29:58GodEaterAceNik: you don't need to - it comes with everything you need already set up
16:30:07GodEateryou only need to download the vmware player
16:30:12GodEaterand "run" our image
16:30:36AceNikok ill check 2 mins
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16:30:50*GodEater will be impressed if anyone can download it all in 2 minutes
16:31:19AceNikno i know ill be terrible at downloading it , im just checking the info
16:31:21DerPapst6000Gbit :P
16:31:37GodEaterlinuxstb: would you mind taking my plugin for a spin in it's current state (it will require you create a in the /.rockbox/rocks/ directory with a few paths in it) ?
16:32:29*GodEater is still writing the bits to create the file in the plugin
16:33:08AceNikDerPapst: cant i use the same cygwin packages, they 7z too ?
16:33:15linuxstbGodEater: I'm working now, but can try this evening.
16:33:17AceNikdownloading 217MB will be a pain
16:33:22GodEaterlinuxstb: oh ok - no problem
16:33:51GodEaterAceNik: using the cygwin packages means using cygwin
16:33:57GodEaterthey don't work for anything else
16:34:47AceNikshould i try reinstalling cygwin n packages itself
16:34:52Nico_PGodEater: did you do the git-svn conversion bit ?
16:34:57GodEaterNico_P: yep
16:35:01GodEaterseemed to work ok
16:35:28Nico_Pnormally it displays all the revs from last to first with the associated SHA-1 commit IDs
16:35:43GodEaterI got all those
16:36:13Nico_Pso maybe I should let you push he next svn commit to the repo :)
16:36:15GodEaterI appear to have two branches already
16:36:22GodEaterone called "master" and one called "origin"
16:36:36GodEaterwhere did origin come from ?
16:37:35GodEaterNico_P: is that simply a case of a rebase (once there's a change to get from svn) followed by a push ?
16:37:43Nico_Pno idea... does it show in "git branch" output ?
16:37:50GodEateryes it does
16:38:02GodEatermaster is the one which is selected though
16:38:37GodEaterand there's no difference between the two
16:38:44GodEatergit diff master..HEAD shows no output
16:38:56Nico_Pyou can probably just remove the origin branch then
16:39:03GodEaterfingers crossed
16:39:08AceNikguys reinstalling cygwin itself worked
16:39:08GodEaterI take it you don't have it then
16:39:15AceNikill switch to VMware later
16:39:17Nico_Pno I don't
16:39:26Nico_PI'll try cloning the public repo though
16:39:27GodEaterbranch deleted!
16:39:38GodEaterwonder if it's because I used cogito
16:39:54*GodEater did "cg clone" instead of "git clone"
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16:42:13GodEaterno more coding for me this afternoon - feeling too sleepy. Don't want "Friday afternoon code" syndrome
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16:51:49AceNikguys do we have backlight constantly on in the plugins, or it goes off, after a while?
16:51:57AceNiklike for example mpegplayer?
16:52:22DomonokyAceNik: you can control this in the plugins code..
16:52:48linuxstbYes, the plugin author decides if the backlight should be on permanently. But most plugins just use the normal Rockbox settings.
16:53:01AceNikno cause i'll patch my build for it otherwise, just thought if the patch had been included
16:53:09linuxstbSo mpegplayer for example turns the backlight on permanently (or should do...)
16:53:41Nico_PGodEater: I just tried the procedure I added to the wiki and I didn't get the "origin" brancg
16:53:57GodEaterNico_P: must be a cogito thing then
16:54:12GodEaterwon't use it again then
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16:57:48GodEaterif you do "void blah(unsigned waffle)" in C - what type is waffle assumed to be? An int ?
16:58:19dionoeaunsigned int
16:58:50GodEaterdidn't know you could shorthand it like that till now
16:59:10DomonokyGodEater: you can, but its not good .-)
16:59:25*GodEater looks at linuxstb
16:59:29GodEaterhis code...
17:00:10*Domonoky remindes linuxstb, to write human readable C :-)
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17:09:41lontraanyone know why after updating rockbox kde no longer prompts me to mount it ... or is this a kde issue
17:10:45Nico_Plontra: KDE issue
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17:11:26lontraNico_P: ok
17:12:08TiMiD[FD]works here
17:12:18lontraTiMiD[FD]: what distro?
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17:12:35Nico_Pit works for me too on kubuntu
17:12:37lontraworked here on debian sid until i updated the software
17:12:55lontrait's probably a debian issue ...
17:13:00TiMiD[FD]I updated 2 minutes ago with my own build
17:13:15TiMiD[FD]maybe you fried your player ? :p
17:13:20lontraTiMiD[FD]: :)
17:13:31lontranah it works fine ... pmount /dev/sdb2 works
17:14:01GodEaterlinuxstb: your "void * mpeg2_malloc (unsigned size, mpeg2_alloc_t reason)" code
17:14:14TiMiD[FD]so it's probably your computer !
17:14:25linuxstbGodEater: That's not mine - it's from libmpeg2
17:14:39linuxstbBut I probably changed the implementation of it.
17:14:47GodEaterI would imagine you did
17:15:07linuxstbI never use "unsigned"...
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17:15:53dionoeaanyone know why the ipod piezo patch isn't getting applied to trunk? (If no one objects I'd like to apply it)
17:16:24AceNikguys is VMware version 2.0 ok ?
17:16:35AceNikits 145MB
17:16:58dionoeavmware player 2.0.0 for windows is ok.
17:17:05lontraso to update my software with rockbox all i need to do is d/l the latest snapshot and run unzip
17:17:15AceNiki changed the direct download link in the wiki page for VMware to 2.0
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17:18:46w1ll14mdoes some know how to reroute the lineout
17:19:06DerPapstlontra: exactly
17:19:11w1ll14mbecause i want to have my lineout exactly the same as my phones out
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17:25:22linuxstbdionoea: I haven't looked at it, but it is 1) Clean; 2) bug-free ?
17:26:41dionoeaThe code looks clean. And it's bug-free as far as I can tell
17:26:57dionoeaI'm not rockbox core expert so I might be overlooking stuff though
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17:28:06amiconnGodEater, Domonoky: Imo short-handing 'unsigned int' to 'unsigned' makes the code more readable, as it is shorter
17:28:16*amiconn always does this
17:28:29amiconnIt's perfectly legal
17:28:54GodEaterI don't like it, it's less clear to me
17:29:27amiconnThe general rule is that everything is of type int unless stated otherwise
17:30:00TiMiD[FD]you should try code obfuscation contests ^^
17:30:20TiMiD[FD]it's recommended to write it explicitely though
17:31:18Nico_Pamiconn: so you can write "void foo(bar)" instead of "void foo(int bar)" ?
17:31:38amiconnIn theory this should work
17:31:41GodEateror indeed "foo(bar)" instead of "int foo(int bar)"
17:31:52TiMiD[FD]you could ommit the return type of all function returning an int then
17:31:54dionoeagcc prints a warning if you use foo(bar) AFAIK
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17:32:10amiconnAt least that is what gcc does when a forward declaration is missing - it assumes all arguments and the return value to be of type int
17:32:12TiMiD[FD]it would make the code easier to read
17:32:58amiconnYou will get a warning as there is no type specifier at all then. But 'unsigned' is a type specifier in itself
17:33:36TiMiD[FD]indeed but it's not explicit
17:33:55amiconnIt is....
17:33:59TiMiD[FD]it's some C rules that not everyone knows about
17:35:14TiMiD[FD]I personally try to avoid that kind of tricks
17:36:05amiconnImo this isn't a trick, it's legal C, gives no warning, shortens the code while improving readability
17:36:52GodEaterdidn't improve it for me
17:36:55GodEaterwhich is why I had to ask
17:37:02DerPapst^ this is why project have coding guildlines.. :P
17:37:05amiconn(unlike other methods to shorten the code, like leaving out white space, or using too few linefeeds)
17:38:41*amiconn has used plain 'unsigned' in a lot of places
17:39:02linuxstbGodEater: But now you know all about it ;)
17:39:18TiMiD[FD]unsigned is not really a type, it's a type modifier, like signed
17:39:27GodEateryes, but makes me wonder what other shorthand I'm missing
17:39:52amiconnDerPapst: around?
17:40:26*amiconn decided to do something easier than digging for the i2s problem first
17:45:11w1ll14msomeone here with some knownledge about wm drivers?
17:45:48linuxstbw1ll14m: You should ask a specific question.
17:46:25w1ll14mwell ok
17:46:43DerPapstamiconn: yes
17:47:01amiconnDerPapst: Could you test something for me?
17:47:11amiconnIt seems the grayscale lib isn't properly tuned
17:47:18w1ll14mis the wm8758 driver i see LOUT1VOL and LOUT2VOL points to a different register
17:47:37w1ll14mi would like to get my lineout give the same output as phonesout
17:47:38amiconnMake a build with test_scanrate.rock
17:48:10amiconn...then run it and try to make the black-and-white stripe stand still
17:48:27amiconnIt must be pure black & white then, not some blurry intermediate
17:48:37w1ll14mi was wondering if lout1vol is phones and lout2vol is lineout
17:48:38amiconnThen tell me what scanrate is displayed
17:49:05amiconnWe used 80Hz for the fullsize grescale LCDs, but I need 95Hz on the 2nd gen to make it work right
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17:53:53amiconnThe LCD is strange. It almost seems the internal blacklevel varies with display content
17:54:14amiconnMaybe It's run with a too low voltage divider current
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17:54:29amiconnSince it's HD66753 this should be fixable
17:55:35amiconnAnd the gamma curve in the grayscale lib isn't correct, but that's just a matter of calibration
17:57:18amiconnDerPapst: Does the scroll wheel on 3rd gen also work rather bad?
17:57:35DerPapstamiconn: that is a known problem of G1-G3 iPods. Even the apple fw suffers from it
17:57:36amiconnAs in, if you're trying to scroll faster, it goes slower or stops instead?
17:58:07DerPapst talking about the lcd
17:58:54DerPapste.g. if you launch the maze plugin the backlevel drops a lot.
17:59:23amiconnI think it's a matter of setup. Maybe we can change that
18:00:42DerPapstdunno about scrolling. will test when the build is finished
18:01:14amiconnIiuc we don't use button interrupts on the 1st-3rd gen yet. That would explain the jerky wheel
18:01:52amiconnIf it changes more than one phase per tick, the driver cannot interpret it correctly anymore
18:02:17amiconnThe driver almost looks like the mini 1st gen wheel driver, so I think we can borrow code from there
18:02:55*amiconn discovered a sleep mode setting in the OF and tests that now
18:03:05amiconnShortest setting is 15 minutes, unfortunately
18:03:29amiconnIf that's suspend-to-disk, it means the 2nd gen can be powered off
18:03:34DerPapstlooking at disassembly again? ;)
18:03:55DerPapst^ ign.
18:04:06*DerPapst is confused once again
18:04:08amiconnNot yet, but I will for sure
18:04:35DerPapststill building plugins...
18:04:55DerPapstah :) building zip now :)
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18:12:21linuxstbw1ll14m: Yes, LOUT1/ROUT1 are headphone out (left and right), and LOUT2/ROUT2 are line-out.
18:13:39linuxstbw1ll14m: But you shouldn't need to touch the drivers - just change the call to audiohw_set_lineout_vol() in firmware/sound.c to use the user's value, rather than 0dB.
18:15:20DerPapstamiconn: 87.0Hz still moving very very slowly. adding +/- 0.1Hz makes it scrolling faster
18:15:34amiconnIs it clear b&w?
18:15:50amiconnOkay, so it's 87Hz for the 3rd gen
18:16:03amiconnOdd, they're all a bit different
18:16:16DerPapstand scrolling is indeed jerky on 3G.
18:16:31DerPapstit took me a while to get to this plugin :P
18:17:32DerPapstthis is od... still 87Hz.. first it moved very slowly downwards and now it moves very slowly upwards...
18:17:42amiconnThat's not odd
18:18:03DerPapstthe warmer it gets the faster it scrolls
18:18:11amiconnThe lcd controllers use an RC oscillator, and those don't produce very stable frequencies
18:18:44amiconnOn the archos it's extreme, 20C temperature difference mean a 4Hz frequency difference
18:19:17DerPapstso it is between 86,9 and 87,1
18:19:45amiconnI don't care about the .x, for the reason I mentioned
18:19:53amiconnI will set 87Hz for the 3rd gen then
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18:20:59DerPapsti think 87Hz is the closest anyways
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18:24:38amiconnDerPapst: Does ipl suffer from the same scrollwheel sluggishness on the 3rd gen?
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18:28:16DerPapstamiconn: can't remember. Have to install loader 2 fist for testing (running an rockbox bootloader atm)
18:28:16BobShieldanyone know if any development for the Sansa e200R series has gone anywhere?
18:28:33amiconnWell, the rockbox bootloader can boot ipl...
18:28:52DerPapstwhere has the linuxkernel to be placed inorder to launch it with rockbox?
18:29:06amiconnJust put the kernel as 'linux.bin' onto the fat32 partition
18:29:17amiconnThen hold Play at boot
18:30:30DerPapstbleh.. my linux.bin is on the ext partition...
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18:33:07DerPapster... /me puts linux.bin on fat32 partition
18:36:21DerPapstscroling in podzilla2 isn't nice either. but at least it doesn't stop at all.
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18:36:42DerPapstand feels a little faster than rockbox
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18:38:11amiconnDoes ipl run the PP5002 at >66MHz now? Or is that fix still not ported back?
18:38:47DerPapsti doubt it will be ported until cristmas 2010
18:39:09DerPapstwired politics by the iPL devs
18:39:32DerPapstno one but leachbj is touching the kernel at all
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18:39:56DerPapstthey have commitacces but they refuse to
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18:40:55shiftplusoneHey, can someone help me restore my ipod (Using dd commands if I don't have anything backed up... are there any disk images online?)
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18:42:41DerPapstthere is a page in the wiki somewhere...
18:43:20shiftplusoneI looked through the wiki... could only find steps if you had the disk backed up.
18:45:13scorchethe MBRs are in the wiki
18:45:18scorchethen just forat your drive
18:45:46shiftplusoneok... i'll scan through the wikis again.
18:46:08scorcheit is on the conversion to fat32 page...i forgot the exact name of it
18:47:17scorcheyes....i was too lazy to fetch it =)
18:47:34shiftplusoneah perfect
18:47:59shiftplusonerockbox only works on fat32 right?
18:48:38shiftplusoneok thanks.
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18:51:53shiftplusonenewfs_msdos... hmm.. don't have that command... what does it come with or what are the alternatives?
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18:54:42shiftplusonethose steps don't restore the firmware though do they?
18:54:49*DerPapst thinks s.o. should add them to the wiki
18:55:11DerPapstif you want to restore i can give you another link
18:55:22shiftplusoneare there any firmware images online?
18:55:34DerPapstdirectly from apple
18:56:19shiftplusonethat was pretty obvious
18:56:38DerPapstdidn't know something like that is on the rb wiki too ;)
18:57:10Avehow would I go about to stop rb (ipod nano build) from entering the disk mode when I insert the usb cable?
18:57:20shiftplusonehold menu?
18:57:27Avedoesnt work, it used to
18:57:45Aveor maybe something changed with linux internals but it soon retries and there it goes into disk mode
18:57:53AveI see usb timeouts in the logs
18:57:58shiftplusoneah... I thought it stopped working 'cause I switched to linux and it handles usb devices differently or something....
18:58:15shiftplusonethen... I don't know.
18:58:22Avesee, I'd want to continue listening while the device is charging
18:58:43shiftplusonehow about... just open the files and listen from the computer?
18:58:45Aveyeah the queston is, what do I need to change in the source
18:59:00Avenah.. computer has crappy audio in comparison
18:59:08Aveand clumsier ui and ...
18:59:10shiftplusoneok someone who knows should be able to answer that.
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18:59:45scorchei dont have my cable around, but it should work...
18:59:56scorcheare you using an unsupported build?
19:00:11DerPapstmaybe hold menu longer
19:00:17DerPapste.g. 20secs + should be holding it before inserting and holding it for a time after....although 20 secs is a bit much
19:02:22Avedoesnt matter
19:02:30Avethe kernel keeps trying and somehow resets the bus or whatnot
19:02:54AveI'm not going to sit on th emenu button ad nauseam
19:02:55scorcheit has worked on linux for me..
19:03:07DerPapsthave heared that too
19:03:25DerPapstmaybe cut the data cables :P
19:03:32Aveok I'll give it a whirl, and yes, I'm using my own svn builds
19:03:50scorchetry it on an official build first...
19:03:54Avehah funny you should mention that
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19:04:15AveI thought that my cable was faulty so I did cut it because I thought its been "worn out"
19:04:24Avethen remove a piece and solder it back together
19:04:48AveI kept repeating this until I had something like 10 cm left, then I thought ok, the cable is broken at the connector boundary
19:05:04Avethen I got a spanking new cable and well, it exhibited the very same phenomane..
19:05:23scorchei take it you dont have a multimeter?
19:05:24Aveoh well, so I have a new cable and the old one works too..
19:05:44AveI do, but you never know about intermittent problems
19:06:02Aveand the ipod-side connector osnt the easiest to measure
19:08:04Avewell, what do you know
19:08:13Aveafter 4 retries (about 30 seconds) it gives up
19:08:25AveJul 27 20:07:11 Vaio kernel: [178262.636000] usb 5-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5
19:08:28AveJul 27 20:07:13 Vaio kernel: [178263.748000] usb 5-3: device descriptor read/64, error -71
19:08:31Avelike so
19:08:36Aveand finally: Jul 27 20:07:35 Vaio kernel: [178286.652000] usb 5-3: device not accepting address 8, error -71
19:08:57Avethanks :P so I just need little more patience
19:09:17DerPapsthehe.. like i said.. 20secs + :P
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19:15:45amiconnThe 2nd gen is now playing :D
19:15:55amiconnBut I don't know why yet...
19:16:07DerPapst"Gentlemen, We have sound!"
19:16:22Avewow thats something
19:16:33Ave2nd gen nano?
19:16:42DerPapst2ng gen Ipod
19:16:48DerPapstthe old and big one
19:16:55Avethat makes panda sad
19:16:56scorchei was waiting for someone to come forard and ask if it was the nano =P
19:17:28Avemy friend been trying to score 1st gen used nano but they are pretty rare
19:17:36AveI wouldnt mind 2nd gen nano myself for more space..
19:17:45DerPapstimagine the confusion it well lead to when it is released on the fronpage :P
19:17:49scorcherare? have you been looking?
19:17:55Avein finland?
19:18:02amiconnI added a debug hack to the C fiq function and used that instead of the asm version. The hack doesn't work but it plays ?!?!?
19:18:05DerPapstthey all stop reading after 2nd Gen and come here.
19:18:16Ave<g> poor people, someone might actually buy 2g nano and then be bummed
19:18:37DerPapstand start whining... "ipodpatcher dosn't find my ipod..."
19:18:39scorchetheir own fault then...
19:19:00amiconnBoost ratio is pretty high, but it plays ~200kbps vbr mp3 just fine
19:19:09amiconn~88% boost
19:19:51DerPapstthat sounds better than on 3G
19:20:03amiconnIt should be the same...
19:20:12amiconnAs soon as I have it working reliably, I'll try higher clock frequencies
19:20:15DerPapst128kbpps have little skips in them
19:20:20amiconnI am aiming at the full 90
19:20:25amiconnWith latest svn??
19:20:37amiconnRemember that old builds only ran at 66MHz boosted
19:20:51DerPapsttries now
19:21:05*amiconn thinks we should also raise the unboosted clock a little on the 5002
19:21:10amiconnMaybe 33 or 35MHz
19:21:12DerPapstcould be that my build was a bit older
19:21:39*amiconn will listen up to the end of this album, then send the l&g mail
19:22:13DerPapsthrmm... frozen on loading the mp3 :-/
19:22:43amiconnThat means something is fishy with the fiq, I'd say
19:23:15amiconnThe fun thing is that it doesn't skip even with the default wps
19:23:23amiconn(i.e. including peakmeters)
19:23:53*amiconn will disassemble what he created
19:23:53DerPapstfrozen again.. ftw
19:24:36*DerPapst is not using the "Resume playback" option now
19:26:16DerPapsti can't get the music palying at all.
19:26:25DerPapstmaybe the same problem that you have.
19:26:43DerPapstbtw. that is also descibed on the forums.
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19:29:25shiftplusonewhich of the voice files is actually slow enough to understand? ( my screen is broken so I have to go without one)=
19:29:34amiconnThen it does indeed look like an fiq problem (as that is the same for all PP5002 targets)
19:29:49shiftplusoneI just downloaded a few voice files but... they're barely comprehendable.
19:29:59amiconnDerPapst: Do you remember what version your old build was?
19:30:15*amiconn should read more carefully
19:30:21DerPapsta pretty old one...
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19:31:33amiconn13844 the forum post says...
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19:32:01amiconnThat was from immediately before the >66MHz unlock
19:32:45pixelmashiftplusone: what player do you have?
19:33:05shiftplusonepixelma, ipod mini (2g)
19:33:41DerPapstamiconn: i'm trying othis build now:
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19:33:55pixelmashiftplusone: ok... then you have free choice with the voice files - generally the larger file size ones are either slower or have better quality
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19:34:34shiftplusonepixelma, ok thanks, just found a decent one.
19:35:39*DerPapst wonders what happent to the TTS project...
19:35:54DerPapst(germish :))
19:36:27pixelmashiftplusone: but unfortunately there is a bug atm that let's the processor stay boosted during playback with voice enabled (even if it wouldn't need to) - so batterylife will be even a bit worse (can't give you numbers)
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19:36:42GodEaterDerPapst: markun says it's still happening
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19:37:30shiftplusonepixelma, should make up for it with my lack of a screen =/
19:37:54DerPapstamiconn: ipod3g-20070711 is definitely broken
19:38:09pixelmashiftplusone: ah, ok... I overlooked that in the logs =)
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19:39:50amiconnHmm, rebuffering plus peakmeters is obviously too much, it skipped
19:42:25pixelmabarrywardell: I wanted to ask you about your wiki entry... did you really do the tests a year ago :P
19:42:40linuxstbamiconn: The uncommitted libmad patch should help - DerPapst reported that it increased his test track from about 118% to about 154% realtime on his 3G.
19:42:49amiconnlinuxstb: I know
19:43:07amiconnI first need to find out why the C fiq works while the asm fiq does not
19:43:21DerPapstmmh... so 13844 is fine and some commit between 13844 and 13848 broke it.
19:43:23linuxstbIn fact, I may have a look at that this evening - saratoga mentioned he tested the accuracy and it seemed fine. I may do a couple of similar tests and clean it up.
19:43:59amiconnI suspect a timing problem. Perhaps the increased clock frequency leads to the asm fiq trying to reset the interrupt source while it's still active that it doesn't get reset after all, and hence doesn't fire again
19:44:32DerPapsti think it was 13845. the pretend-we-know-what-we-do commit
19:44:37shiftplusoneis it just me or is the "Pause on headphone unplug." option missing in general settings?
19:44:39amiconnI wonder where the fiq registers are preloaded (for the asm)
19:44:44shiftplusone(latest build)
19:44:45amiconnlinuxstb: Do you know that?
19:44:59linuxstbIn crt0-pp.S I think
19:45:02amiconnDerPapst: Yes. Hence 'pretend' ;)
19:45:15shiftplusonesorry, it's there.
19:45:19amiconnI checked there already... maybe I overlooked it
19:45:27amiconnToo bad preglow isn't around :(
19:45:48linuxstbNo, it's there.
19:45:57linuxstbe.g. search for IIS_CONFIG
19:46:05DerPapstwhere is the C fiq? so i can try it too....
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19:46:47amiconnDerPapst: change line 55 in pcm-pp.c from #if1 to #if 0
19:47:08amiconnNote: this switches to C fiq for _all_ PP targets, i.e. also later ipods
19:47:32amiconnYou could also change it to #ifdef CPU_PP502x to avoid that
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19:48:26DerPapsti revert it once build.
19:48:29DerPapstbut thanks :)
19:48:58pixelmashiftplusone: if you don't have a screen at all, maybe you could use a simulator to choose all the settings and the copy the config.cfg file to your Mini - I think that could work
19:49:08pixelma(a working screen)
19:50:04shiftplusonepixelma, yeah... no screen at all... but I am done with the setting... only had to change a few things.
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19:52:31*amiconn tries something
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19:53:21DerPapstwired internet...
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19:54:34DerPapststill frezing :(
19:55:51DerPapstshiftplusone: also better use a wps without peakmeters to save some cpu cycles and hence saving battery.
19:56:29pixelmayou could even make a blank wps, I guess
19:56:36DerPapstusing the c fiq doesn't change anything for me
19:56:59DerPapstare any parts of the wps spoken?
19:57:07shiftplusoneDerPapst, I like your thinking.
19:57:10DerPapste.g. some id3 tags
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19:58:10DerPapstany svn guru knows if it is possible to revert one commit (e.g. 138445)
19:58:44amiconnWhy would you want that?
19:58:53pixelmawow... that wouldn't be reverting :P
19:59:22DerPapstto try out if r138445 broke loading music on 3G iPods
19:59:57DerPapstwell.. i could do that manually
20:00:06DerPapstit's only removing one line...
20:00:27*pixelma thought current revision is "only" at some 14000
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20:00:44GodEaterpixelma it is ;)
20:00:56GodEaterDerPapst: is doing the same typo over and over ;)
20:01:20pixelmahow many years in the future is 138445 theb ;P
20:01:35GodEaterabout 10 :)
20:01:51DerPapstGodEater: sry... which ONe?
20:02:18GodEaterDerPapst: we don't have 130,000+ commits
20:02:31GodEateryou keep typing 138,445
20:02:32pixelmaDerPapst: 138445 > 14000
20:02:44DerPapster.. i meant 13845
20:03:14_jzRockbox "Cassette" theme is the perfect theme for me and my Sansa e2xx !!
20:04:14shiftplusoneis it possible to use ipodpatcher to add a different bootloader? (eg Loader2)
20:04:42DerPapstipodpatcher -ab loader2.bin
20:04:54shiftplusoneah thanks
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20:10:36DerPapstok. it's the 'we (pretend to) know what we're doing so please let us' magic value for sure (r13845) that is breaking loading music on 3G iPods.
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20:10:54amiconnIt's not, at least not only
20:11:11amiconnIt freezes even without that, it's just less likely
20:13:12DerPapsttrue it happens from time to time. but with it it happens always.
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20:15:11DerPapstwhere do i have to look for the real cpu clock? Debug-> View Audio thread and Debug->CPU freq both pretend to run at 78MHz
20:15:28amiconnLooks like I have to dive into disassemblies and check what the OF does to keep it working
20:15:40amiconnDerPapst: View I/O ports
20:15:40DerPapstfound it
20:15:51DerPapstyep.. 66MHz :-/
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20:16:10amiconnThis will be moved to View HW info once I fixed that (should display the hw version then as well)
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20:17:26lontraafter i upgraded my software on rockbox it no longer auto-mounts in kde ... any ideas why?
20:17:38DerPapstcan't even open 'View HW Info' right now...
20:17:58amiconnyes, as it's a null function
20:18:04amiconnReturns immediately
20:18:34DerPapstah.. tat explains it :)
20:19:09saratogapreglow: you around?
20:20:21amiconnWe could run the PP at a lower clock during fiq (using one of the divider modes)
20:20:22GodEaterlontra: that's not really a rockbox question, although it may be as a result of rockbox being on your player. You need to read up on hald to debug it.
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20:22:04lontraGodEater: do you know how i'd reinstall the original apple software? maybe i'll start over again from stratch
20:22:38amiconnLooks like is running debian _unstable_
20:23:34linuxstblontra: The manual has uninstall instructions.
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20:25:11piliHI there any program to control the ipod from linux?
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20:25:23pili*is there
20:25:28linuxstbpili: What do you mean?
20:25:39linuxstbAnd this is #rockbox...
20:25:49piliTo make it reboot, load new firmware...
20:25:54piliI know
20:26:04GodEaterlinuxstb: I like how you always point that out AFTER you've half answered the question ;)
20:26:13amiconnLooks like the PP5002 is a less than half-baked chip
20:26:23amiconn(and the 5020 is just half baked)
20:26:27GodEaterpili: you can't make it reboot from an external program on any OS - let alone linux
20:26:28_jzOh my ! RockBox rox so much !!! =~)))
20:26:28linuxstbGodEater: That's because I'm half-nice and half-channel-police...
20:26:56GodEaterpili: but ipodpatcher will let you do things with the firmware
20:27:14linuxstbOr even "dd"...
20:27:26GodEaterlinuxstb: if you're hardcore :)
20:27:35piliit's just that it seems to be hang
20:27:53linuxstbMENU+SELECT to reboot, then SELECT+PLAY for disk mode...
20:28:08pilithanx, i'll try
20:28:12linuxstbIf that doesn't work, either your battery is empty or your ipod is broke...
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20:29:08pilimaybe i unpluuged it wrong, but the screen is on, and showing a menu of songs. And this silly thing has got no buttons
20:29:32*amiconn wonders whether the timing registers have to do with the observed behaviour
20:32:01linuxstbamiconn: IIUC, the evolution was PP5002 (broken cache) -> PP5003 (fixed cache) -> PP5020 (fubar) -> PP5022 (works)
20:32:11piliThanx a lot, linuxstb, I have to give the ipod back to my aunt. Unfortunatelly, I readed that is not possible to install rockbox on it
20:32:28amiconnWasn't there a PP5004 as well?
20:33:25DerPapstfubar? that worse :D
20:34:39GodEateramiconn: yes there was
20:34:44GodEaterthink that's what the karma used
20:35:02amiconnAnd there seems to be a PP5026 as well
20:35:16amiconnAt least the video OF checks for that
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20:36:23GodEatermy mistake, the karma used the 5003
20:36:35*linuxstb was about to say that...
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20:36:57amiconnMaybe it only exists as a prototype
20:37:08GodEateryeah, can't find anything on google about a pp5004
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20:38:49lxxhi i copy Black_Glass_AA
20:38:54lxxwps to my ipod
20:39:11linuxstbDid you install the patches it needs?
20:39:27lxxbut when mp3 file playing i dont see new buttons
20:39:43lxxwhat pathes?
20:40:08lxxwhat patches?
20:40:37linuxstbWhere did you download it from? That should describe what unsupported features it needs.
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20:41:50GodEaterthat says exactly what patches it requires
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20:54:22lxxi down know where i can download pathc for black glass
20:54:36saratogalinuxstb: regarding the MPA optimziation patch, how much testing do you think is required?
20:55:01saratogai've looked at a few tracks and foudn almost no difference, and apparently its been standard in various custom builds for a while with no problems reported
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20:56:00linuxstbsaratoga; What do you mean by "almost no difference" ?
20:56:07saratogait basically just seems to change maybe 1 sample in 100 by a single bit
20:56:25linuxstbI guess we can live with that.
20:56:32saratogai'm assuming it flips the order of a multiply somewhere and thus the rounding error is slightly different
20:57:08saratogai could test more tracks if you think theres enough reason to do so
20:57:46linuxstbBut you would be happy to commit it?
20:58:07GodEaterlxx: you download them from flyspray
20:58:14saratogayes I'm happy to commit it, but then I generally prefer to commit things and see if people complain :)
20:58:37lxxwhat is it flyspray?
20:59:46linuxstbsaratoga: I think it's rotted on the tracker for long enough - I'll try and commit it later this evening.
21:00:19saratogalinuxstb: good
21:00:31saratogatheres one warning about an unused variable still
21:00:40saratogawant me to kill that ?
21:00:56DerPapstpoor unused variable :(
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21:01:01linuxstblxx: A "patch" is a set of changes to the Rockbox source code. So you need to apply those changes to the Rockbox source code and compile your own build. Or use a build that someone else has made - you can find them in the "unsupported builds" forum.
21:01:38linuxstbsaratoga: If it's obvious, then don't worry - I'll fix it when I test it.
21:02:26saratogayeah looks pretty obvious
21:02:49saratogaanyway this should make MP3 faster then WMA again, so it'll be good to have it
21:03:21linuxstbThat's a challenge for you then...
21:03:58saratogayeah it is
21:04:08linuxstbSpeaking of which, does anyone know if there's a difference in the battery life of most original firmwares comparing MP3 with WMA?
21:04:29GodEaterwe all have a clue remember
21:05:20saratogamost of the product briefs i've seen on google for wma and mp3 decoders give the same MIPS requirements, so probably not much
21:05:29lxxso where i can download patch ?
21:05:36Lloreanlinuxstb: I believe the battery life in the H100's firmware was supposed to be longer with WMA, but they compared 64kbps wma to 128kbps MP3 for that
21:06:08GodEaterlxx: just download an unsupported build, that link I gave you earlier tells you some recommended ones
21:06:25DerPapst^ ignore
21:06:30GodEaterlxx: it even gives you links to the forum threads to get them from
21:07:05DerPapst2nd try... who'd have thought that today is the "System Administrator Appreciation Day"?
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21:18:13lxxwhat different betwen unsupported build and supported?
21:18:39GodEaterlxx: once you start using unsupported, any issues you have, we get to ignore you ;)
21:19:34linuxstblxx: Or put differently, unsupported builds are versions of rockbox that other people (not the official developers) have modified in some way - so we can't help you with problems, you'll need to ask the person providing the build.
21:20:07GodEaterlinuxstb: spoilsport ;)
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21:20:43lxxexcept wps support pluses they have ? and how much this unuported builds for ipod80gb?
21:22:53saratogahow is the MOB project proceeding anyway?
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21:23:28Lloreanlinuxstb: Have you seen this ?
21:23:59Lloreansaratoga: There's an SVN with work-in-progress code (a test/sample plugin as well as a diff toward merging)
21:24:22LloreanThere's a stumbling block dealing with very large files (larger than the buffer) still, I believe.
21:25:16saratogaLlorean: is Nicolas expecting to finish before the end of the summer?
21:25:56LloreanI don't know at this very moment, but I think it's still reasonable that he will.
21:26:04linuxstbLlorean: No, I hadn't seen that mpegplayer patch. But as jhMikeS has been talking about the buffering/seeking code in mpegplayer, hopefully he can look at it, and give the authors feedback.
21:26:47Lloreansaratoga: The new code already successfully buffers and releases series of files, the problem is now specifically in the metadata handling I believe.
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21:27:45lxxwhat Unsupported Builds better?
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21:33:08Lloreanlxx: That's something you have to decide for yourself.
21:34:55lxxhow i can understand exist only two usupported builds for ipod 80gb its Senab and EvilG build or any others exist?
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21:39:12Lloreanlxx: They're unsupported. We don't keep track of them. If that's all you find, then okay.
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21:49:47lontramy ipod is formatted in mac format and i am trying to install rockbox on it via linux ... however it's not letting me cause i am not getting permissions to write on it ... is there a way to install rockbox on it from linux when it's the mac os file format?
21:52:09saratogalontra: sure, I don't remember how it works, but I believe you convert it to fat32 and then install rockbox
21:52:24saratogathere should be intructions somewhere on or the manual
21:53:13lontrasaratoga: you mean with fdisk?
21:54:58GodEaterlontra: you said earlier though you'd already installed rockbox
21:55:00GodEaterso I'm confused
21:56:30lontraGodEater: i did but i reinstall it to factory default but i only have a mac os computer here ... now it's working right but i want to put rockbox back on cause i borked it somehow
22:00:03GodEaterDomonoky: was fat32 conversion something that was going to get built into RButil ?
22:00:24lontra ... i have a 1GB nano not a 2GB
22:00:54DomonokyGodEater_: if ipodpatcher supports it, i will integrate it :-)
22:01:03GodEateripodpatcher doesn't
22:01:06GodEaterit's a manual process
22:01:30saratogalontra: I think you'll need to use a Windows pc or find someone to upload a 1 GB nano image
22:01:36DomonokyGodEater: yeah, but linuxstb planned something for ipodpatcher, i think ...
22:01:47GodEaterlontra: yes, saratoga is right
22:02:04linuxstbGodEater: I'm working on it now...
22:02:15GodEatermust have missed you mentioning that
22:03:18GodEaterlontra: sorry - we've only got images for those players, and we can only get others as people who own the hardware give them to us
22:03:42*Domonoky is rebuilding the bootloader installations for rbutilQt :-) and hopes for bluebrother to build the Ui :-)
22:04:03lontraoh well thanks for the help guys ... i think i'll reset it to factory defaults in a windows computer and then reformat it for rockbox
22:04:20lontraGodEater: could i help there? i am going to go track down a windows computer ...
22:04:30GodEaterlontra: once you've done the factory defaults, the reformat is not necessary
22:04:42lontraGodEater: ok ... thanks for the help
22:04:49GodEaterlontra: certainly, once you've done the restore, we can tell you how to get the image for us
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22:06:18*linuxstb just lost a beta-tester...
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22:08:15GodEaterlinuxstb: maybe he'll be back
22:10:45pixelmabut maybe he'll also will have converted it to a winpod...
22:11:01GodEateryes, but he's capable of converting it back again
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22:20:27DerPapstyou can even convert it to a winpod without having a mbr from a winpod...
22:23:22GodEaterDerPapst: perhaps you could change our wiki page to reflect this method ?
22:23:22lxxcan someone say rockbox working with this fm trasmitter ????
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22:24:44DerPapstGodEater: shoudl be possible with fdisk and dd.
22:27:45GodEaterif you know the partition sizes...
22:27:52saratogai like this whole low bitrate coding thing WMA does
22:28:01saratogasince it treats each frequency band as basically its own codec
22:28:16saratogawhen I hear a problem, I just fft the results and it immediately tells me where the bug is
22:28:50DerPapstI've collected a few...
22:29:03DerPapstbut with guessing it might work too ;)
22:29:49*GodEater would prefer not to guess
22:30:55DerPapstHere are some partiiton tables and instructions.
22:34:29lxxwho have kensington Digital FM Transmitter/Auto Charger for iPod ?
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22:45:02LloreanAha. I now know why WinFF fails completely on ubuntu.
22:45:10LloreanThe ubuntu ffmpeg is built without MP3 support.
22:45:11DerPapstlinuxstb: w00t :D
22:45:19*Llorean sighs
22:45:54linuxstbDerPapst: Sadly not for 5.5gs though - only 512-byte sectors.
22:46:06LloreanStill, it's a significant step.
22:46:09amiconnThe 2nd gen OF has a ton of partial fiq routines which write to the i2s fifo
22:46:23Lloreanlinuxstb: Is 5.5G going to be a significant amount more work?
22:46:35amiconnBut I can't find the first part
22:47:03linuxstbLlorean: The partition table should be trivial, the problem is the formatting - someone who knows more about FAT than me needs to adapt ipodpatcher's formatting feature to 2048-byte sectors.
22:48:26DerPapstlinuxstb: better than nothing :)
22:49:33amiconnLooks like the OF supports a whole bunch of different data formats in its pcm buffer, and there's one fiq routine per format
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22:51:04GodEaterlinuxstb: isn't that windows formatfat32 utility open source ?
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22:51:50linuxstbGodEater: That's exactly what's already in ipodpatcher...
22:51:57linuxstbBut it doesn't support 2048-byte disks.
22:52:12GodEateroh really - I didn't realise - thought it did
22:52:41*amiconn counts 12 different routines
22:52:50linuxstbfat32format is the (GPL'd) tool I copied - I assume that's what you meant.
22:52:58GodEaterthat's the one
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22:54:58GodEatershame the mtools code base is such a convoluted mess
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23:10:43DerPapstlinuxstb: where do you get the information from how big the firmware partition is and how big the fat32 one is?
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23:11:03DerPapstfrom the apple partition map?
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23:22:55linuxstbDerPapst: Yes - ipodpatcher has been parsing the apple partition map for a while.
23:23:34linuxstbSo it just writes that info to a DOS partition table, changes the type of the second partition to FAT32, and formats it.
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23:27:35amiconnhi Bagder
23:27:44amiconnWhat's up with
23:27:47Bagderhey, nice work on the ipods
23:27:59Bagderbygg is Zagor's child
23:28:24amiconnIt segfaults its way through the builds...
23:28:25DerPapstlinuxstb: ah ok...
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23:30:24DerPapstlinuxstb: is ipodpatcher detecting a drive as ipod when the (DOS) partition table seems to be correct? so it can be used to resore an iPod in linux?
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23:32:52linuxstbDerPapst: I'm not sure what you mean. But basically ipodpatcher requires a working ipod.
23:34:49*amiconn didn't find what he was looking for yet, but sth else
23:35:10amiconnI found a bunch of cache setup functions
23:35:35amiconnNow if I can find the equivalent in a PP5020 firmware, that should allow some conclusions
23:36:44BagderI don't get the segfault now when I build manually ;-/
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23:39:19DerPapstlinuxstb: i mean maybe someone has screwed up his ipod (e.g. corruped filesystem and accidently overwritten mbr) and only has linux and wants to restore his ipod. (S)He could use fdisk to recreate the iPods mbr (fist partition type 0 in a sufficient and second type b or c). Would ipodpatcher detect the iPod and an iPod and let the user format it and write the firmare on the first partition?
23:40:03linuxstbA Linux user doesn't need ipodpatcher for that...
23:40:32linuxstbBut yes, it could do - -wf to write the firmware, and −−format to format the main partition.
23:40:46linuxstbI mean -w to write the firmware...
23:41:26DerPapstso it would detect it even without the apple stop sign or some other magic...
23:41:29linuxstbIn fact, it wouldn't work - ipodpatcher needs a valid firmware partition. So the user would need to dd it.
23:42:11linuxstbIt only seems to be IPL users who break their ipod's partition layout anyway... ;)
23:42:29DerPapstcorrect :P
23:42:38amiconnCouldn't ipodpatcher try to recreate a firmware partition as well
23:43:04amiconnLike the ipod updater, only open, portable, and not installing annoying system services
23:43:35DerPapsti was hoping for something like that ^
23:43:44linuxstbYes, it could...
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23:45:13DerPapstit would help a lot to cut down support requests from people who are messing up their ipod every day...
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23:47:04DerPapstbut i guess your opinion about ipodpatcher not being a restore utility hasn't changed :P
23:48:14linuxstbI've no objection to anyone else doing it, but no, it's still not something I'm that interested in. (although you're breaking be down slowly...)
23:48:35LloreanIsn't that also dangerous? If an iPod is badly enough messed up that it needs a restore, often it's hardly recognizable as an iPod. Won't they have to point the tool at a device and say "Yes, I assure you this is an iPod?"
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23:49:09DerPapstLlorean: yes. that would be necessary,
23:49:39LloreanHow does the Apple restore utility detect that a formatted NTFS drive used to be an iPod then?
23:49:55linuxstbLlorean: That's been the main thing stopping me. Although for the PP5020 ipods, there's the scsi inquiry method of detection.
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23:50:58DerPapstwhich is even available as open source.
23:51:06*DerPapst stops beeing annoying now ;)
23:51:32LloreanI mean, I see the value in giving people a tool that can brute force make their iPod usable, but with what some of our users do I'm sure somebody will point it at their main disk.
23:51:55LloreanHow much rope do you give 'em? ;)
23:52:17DerPapsttheir own fault i would say...
23:52:34Insectoidcheck for windos dirs, mayhaps?
23:52:38DerPapstthey could do the same mistakw with dd either
23:52:51amiconnI'd think a utility that e.g. checks the scsi enquiry is less dangerous than the powerful dd
23:53:16DerPapstifact... i have seen already 2 in #ipodlinux doing that :D
23:53:24LloreanDerPapst: Yeah, but with DD they don't expect the degree of safety that iPodPatcher shows.
23:53:46DerPapstuse more UPPERCASE warning then maybe ;)
23:53:52LloreanBut that scsi thing might be good though
23:54:49amiconnIirc there is a function in windows that tells you whether a volume is the system volume
23:55:27amiconnI don't know whether and how this is available in linux, but the device name might also give a hint
23:55:28LloreanMaybe any time there's any uncertainty a message saying "WE CANNOT DETERMINE IF THIS DEVICE IS AN IPOD. Run again with the −−force command if you are sure." or something similar.
23:55:41amiconn(the name that appears in the windows device manager)
23:57:06amiconnDerPapst: Regarding the hangs, it seems that the audio stuff doesn't like when the cpu clock changes while it's being initialised
23:57:31amiconnIf I boost manually so that it's running at 78MHz all the time, it always starts playing
23:58:16amiconnYes, even with asm fiq
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