| 00:00:08 | Bagder | wow |
| 00:01:26 | gxti | amiconn: 14003 works, so that's a good starting point |
| 00:03:54 | gxti | amiconn: good guess. |
| 00:03:59 | gxti | 14004 blows up :P |
| 00:04:02 | amiconn | It's not a guess... |
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| 00:05:01 | amiconn | Llorean asked users with nanos showing that problem to test some builds. |
| 00:05:23 | amiconn | There are still 2 possibilities why this change might cause problems |
| 00:05:23 | BigMac | Hey, can someone advise me how to permanently add something to my path in ubuntu? |
| 00:05:58 | linuxstb | Add it to .bashrc in your home directory. |
| 00:06:14 | linuxstb | (assuming you're running bash) |
| 00:06:23 | BigMac | Yes, I am, thank you |
| 00:07:06 | BigMac | and I have to add the line like PATH='path' right |
| 00:07:49 | linuxstb | export PATH=$PATH:/new/path |
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| 00:16:29 | amiconn | gxti: Do you want to test a patch? |
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| 00:24:51 | DerPapst | amiconn: have downloaded the nano aupd images from the link i gave you? |
| 00:24:58 | amiconn | no |
| 00:25:13 | DerPapst | don't want them? |
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| 00:29:26 | amiconn | Link does not werk |
| 00:29:42 | DerPapst | have to restart webserver... ;) |
| 00:30:01 | DerPapst | should be working now |
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| 00:31:32 | amiconn | Got them, tnx |
| 00:31:40 | DerPapst | ok :) |
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| 00:39:00 | gxti | amiconn: sure |
| 00:40:18 | amiconn | http://amiconn.dyndns.org/nano-test1.diff |
| 00:40:34 | amiconn | If that one works, I'll make another one |
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| 00:45:25 | gxti | amiconn: doesn't appear to work |
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| 00:52:44 | brent0n | hello |
| 00:53:04 | brent0n | i was curious..is there any way to view .jpgs on the rockbox? |
| 00:53:49 | doc|home | yup, just open them in the file selector |
| 00:54:08 | brent0n | hm. the latest version will do that? |
| 00:54:12 | doc|home | should do |
| 00:54:24 | brent0n | i have a folder with pictures in it, but they don't appear in the list |
| 00:54:39 | doc|home | odd |
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| 00:55:53 | Soul-Slayer | brent0n: Which player do you have? |
| 00:56:03 | brent0n | gigabeat |
| 00:56:10 | brent0n | nevermind. :P i was just being a noob. |
| 00:56:18 | Soul-Slayer | Alright :p |
| 00:56:39 | brent0n | general settings | files | show music/supported/all |
| 00:57:08 | Soul-Slayer | Yep, was going to tell you the shortcut key to get there but you seem to have found it, in future though you can hold down the Menu button |
| 00:57:17 | brent0n | oh, nice! |
| 00:57:28 | Soul-Slayer | Press the down key to scroll through those options, also there is shuffle and repeat |
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| 01:16:53 | aarongoltz | Hey |
| 01:17:40 | DerPapst | Ho |
| 01:18:40 | aarongoltz | I'm trying to figure out why my 5G Ipod keeps freezing briefly after playing files |
| 01:18:55 | aarongoltz | And was hoping there might be someone here who had some ideas |
| 01:19:18 | DerPapst | i assume yoou are running the latest bootloader and the latest revision of rockbox? |
| 01:19:30 | aarongoltz | Yeah, 1.1, and the latest Rockbox |
| 01:19:38 | aarongoltz | It was running fine two days ago using some older firmware |
| 01:20:02 | aarongoltz | It will play a file for around 8 seconds, then give me a Prefetch, Data, or Instruction error |
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| 01:21:54 | DerPapst | mhh... i don't see any 5G or PP502X related commits the last two days... |
| 01:22:50 | aarongoltz | Well I've got a post on the forum and I'll see if anyone has experienced anything similiar |
| 01:23:04 | aarongoltz | It seems to play files fine when I stream them from the Ipod to the computer in disk mode |
| 01:23:10 | aarongoltz | So I feel like my HD isn't corrupted |
| 01:23:14 | DerPapst | have you used mp3 only or other formats too? |
| 01:23:29 | aarongoltz | I did have Best Buy replace my logic board months back, and maybe there is something funky going on with it |
| 01:23:36 | aarongoltz | I have tried mp3 and Flac |
| 01:23:58 | DerPapst | because there have been changes made to mp3... |
| 01:24:47 | DerPapst | if you get a data abourt next time yould you please post the hexadecimal number in the top left corner next time? |
| 01:25:06 | DerPapst | also with the exact revision you are running |
| 01:25:33 | DerPapst | *abbort |
| 01:25:44 | DerPapst | (or how ever it is spelled) |
| 01:28:28 | aarongoltz | Yeah |
| 01:28:32 | aarongoltz | I can do that, except it seems like it is usually somethign different every time |
| 01:29:44 | aarongoltz | I've got to run to dinner. I'll have to give it some time to see if any power users have any ideas |
| 01:29:56 | aarongoltz | Thanks for the help DerPapst |
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| 01:32:23 | DerPapst | aarongoltz: probably not. |
| 01:32:58 | DerPapst | The only temporary way to fix that would be reverting to the older rockbox version. |
| 01:33:54 | DerPapst | the hexnumber can be used to find out where exactly in the code the issue is. |
| 01:34:25 | * | DerPapst wonders if the .map file shoudl be included in the rockbox.zip |
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| 01:35:51 | DerPapst | so the user could pastebin.ca the map file without having to wait for the buildserver-owner to get that file... |
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| 01:42:40 | DerPapst | any official thought about that? |
| 01:45:32 | DerPapst | are .map files generated on all platforms? |
| 01:46:32 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:46:37 | amiconn | woot! |
| 01:47:03 | * | amiconn is listening to mp3 on the 2ng gen with irq driven wheel driver and cpu clock scaling :D |
| 01:47:38 | * | DerPapst wonders if amiconns "Yes" was related to his question or to "woot" :P |
| 01:47:41 | amiconn | As I suspected, the ipl cpu clock setup doesn't really reflect what the OF does |
| 01:47:42 | DerPapst | nice work! |
| 01:47:45 | gxti | amiconn: that patch didn't work, btw |
| 01:47:52 | amiconn | gxti: Yes, saw that |
| 01:47:58 | * | gxti pees in amiconn's corn flakes |
| 01:48:04 | amiconn | I'll have to think about it a bit more |
| 01:48:15 | gxti | let's see if reversing 14004 on top of trunk works... |
| 01:48:15 | DerPapst | wth? |
| 01:49:16 | amiconn | DerPapst: Btw, would you like to try a patch on the 3rd gen? |
| 01:49:28 | DerPapst | buildzip is making my head hurt :-/ |
| 01:49:30 | DerPapst | sure |
| 01:49:31 | gxti | doesn't look like playing music works :| |
| 01:49:52 | amiconn | Should have the same effect as on 2nd gen - snappy wheel and nicely working playback |
| 01:49:52 | gxti | although it's better than it used to be... before it locked the entire ipod, now it just gives up after a few seconds |
| 01:50:13 | * | gxti tries a mp3 |
| 01:50:44 | amiconn | Boost ratio with mp3 is rather decent with the latest mp3 optimisation :) |
| 01:51:18 | gxti | blech... |
| 01:51:37 | DerPapst | amiconn: nice :D |
| 01:51:41 | gxti | flashes the 'no codec for [something something]' box sporadically, after about 10 seconds i get 'Data abort at 4000132C' |
| 01:54:25 | amiconn | DerPapst: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/pp5002.diff |
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| 01:57:06 | DerPapst | building... |
| 01:57:53 | DerPapst | amiconn: is rockbox.map generated on all targets? |
| 01:58:11 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:58:18 | * | amiconn has a deja vu |
| 01:58:41 | DerPapst | what do you think of including it into rockbox.tip (inside .rockbox) |
| 01:58:50 | DerPapst | *.zip |
| 01:59:18 | amiconn | Not sure... it might confuse users (a la 'whats this?') |
| 01:59:38 | DerPapst | i bet most users don't care about the files in .rockbox |
| 01:59:41 | amiconn | But I would like to have the maps available somewhere |
| 01:59:48 | DerPapst | as long as their themes are working :P |
| 01:59:55 | amiconn | The thing is that there isn't just one .map |
| 01:59:57 | gxti | sigh... so in the past 24 hours i've not managed to play a single file |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:07 | amiconn | Each codec and each plugin also has a .map |
| 02:00:38 | * | gxti should just start picking old nightlies at random until one works |
| 02:00:39 | DerPapst | amiconn: i know.... but rockbox.map is the most important one. |
| 02:01:30 | amiconn | It seems that I can't make the 2nd gen freeze with my changes, even when trying weird things :) |
| 02:01:46 | amiconn | ...like running a plugin that uses the grayscale lib |
| 02:02:02 | DerPapst | wich one? |
| 02:02:03 | amiconn | That just makes the music skip because the grayscale lib drains too much cpu power |
| 02:02:08 | amiconn | mandelbrot |
| 02:02:25 | DerPapst | will try that too |
| 02:02:26 | amiconn | It's a bit tricky to quit the plugin because it also becomes really slow |
| 02:03:19 | * | DerPapst wonders why make rebulds the entire rockbox.... |
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| 02:03:30 | amiconn | Please check whether all buttons and the wheel work as they should, and whether hold works (the biggest difference between G1/G2 and G3) |
| 02:03:39 | DerPapst | ok |
| 02:03:45 | amiconn | DerPapst: It changes a rather central .h file |
| 02:03:50 | amiconn | (pp5002.h) |
| 02:03:53 | DerPapst | ah. |
| 02:04:28 | DerPapst | make > me :P |
| 02:05:13 | amiconn | One the G1..G3 we can do disk poweroff it seems |
| 02:06:03 | DerPapst | ohh nice... battery runtime++ :) |
| 02:06:13 | amiconn | yup |
| 02:06:36 | amiconn | I think we can also figure out cpu sleep mode |
| 02:06:48 | amiconn | It seems rather simple compared to PP5020+ |
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| 02:06:53 | DerPapst | s/we/you |
| 02:07:02 | DerPapst | ;) |
| 02:07:14 | amiconn | So that somewhat compares for the lack of shutdown |
| 02:07:38 | DerPapst | building zip... |
| 02:07:43 | DerPapst | done :) |
| 02:07:46 | amiconn | We can even make it appear to do a standard shutdown... by just issuing a reset after waking up again |
| 02:11:46 | DerPapst | musicplayback works... |
| 02:11:58 | amiconn | Buttons and wheel? |
| 02:12:21 | DerPapst | scrolling is... as bad (or even a bit worse) than before |
| 02:12:32 | DerPapst | wait.. |
| 02:12:38 | DerPapst | no.. it is different. |
| 02:12:40 | amiconn | eh? |
| 02:13:00 | amiconn | It should be way faster, and no stop working when moving the finger fast |
| 02:13:01 | DerPapst | when scrolling slowly it scrolls a lot better than before. |
| 02:13:17 | DerPapst | but at a certain speed it simply stops scrolling at all |
| 02:13:40 | DerPapst | hold works |
| 02:13:42 | amiconn | Strange... |
| 02:13:55 | amiconn | Hmm, I think I know why.... |
| 02:14:06 | DerPapst | mandelbrot too :D |
| 02:14:24 | amiconn | Maybe it's the same problem as the mini g1 |
| 02:14:46 | DerPapst | menu+play to quit mandelbrot? |
| 02:14:55 | amiconn | No, Select+Menu |
| 02:15:05 | amiconn | Could you edit firmware/target/arm/ipod/button-1g-3g.c line 112? |
| 02:15:15 | amiconn | Just remove it or comment it, then rebuild? |
| 02:15:15 | DerPapst | ok... |
| 02:15:27 | amiconn | (the udelay) |
| 02:15:52 | amiconn | This should keep the wheel working when scrolling fast |
| 02:15:57 | DerPapst | ok. done |
| 02:15:59 | DerPapst | building |
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| 02:16:13 | amiconn | Please check whether Hold still behaves properly |
| 02:16:21 | DerPapst | ok |
| 02:16:37 | gxti | if i wanted to buy a player that actually works well with rockbox, what should i get? |
| 02:16:51 | AceNik | hey uys im new to VMware can you please help me setup, ive installed the debian pack, & double clicked rockbox, how do i get my sourcelike whr do i extratc it ? |
| 02:17:30 | DerPapst | iriver h something seem to be best currently. but it depends on what you want to do with it. |
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| 02:18:22 | DerPapst | does rockbox on 3G used to detect whether usb is pluged in? |
| 02:18:36 | amiconn | I don't think so |
| 02:18:48 | DerPapst | explains it :) |
| 02:19:14 | * | amiconn will add firewire detection for all ipods soon (more or less) |
| 02:19:27 | amiconn | Well, all that support firewire |
| 02:19:33 | AceNik | uys can you please help me with VMware?> |
| 02:19:36 | DerPapst | hehe.. |
| 02:20:41 | amiconn | Which are all except the video and nano afaik |
| 02:21:01 | DerPapst | correct |
| 02:21:06 | DerPapst | wheeee |
| 02:21:11 | amiconn | l |
| 02:21:13 | * | DerPapst has a fast wheel :D |
| 02:21:13 | amiconn | ? |
| 02:21:25 | amiconn | And hold still behaves? |
| 02:21:33 | DerPapst | hold works but there is a minor ui problem with hold. |
| 02:21:40 | amiconn | Hold might fire unwanted button events on unlock |
| 02:22:14 | DerPapst | when i flip hold the icon isn't displayed. but it gets displyed once i touch another button |
| 02:22:21 | amiconn | eh? |
| 02:22:26 | amiconn | Interesting... |
| 02:22:49 | DerPapst | but the button doesn't do anything except that hold icon is displayed |
| 02:23:03 | DerPapst | same when i switch hold off. |
| 02:23:16 | AceNik | anyone help me i cant setup VMware |
| 02:23:28 | DerPapst | icon displayed, touching any button -> icon gone |
| 02:23:42 | amiconn | DerPapst: Did you get the same effect before removing the udelay()? |
| 02:24:25 | DerPapst | afair not. |
| 02:24:39 | DerPapst | wired... |
| 02:24:46 | amiconn | Could you perhaps try with a shorter udelay? |
| 02:24:51 | DerPapst | sometimes it works as expectd. |
| 02:24:54 | amiconn | Like 50 or even 10? |
| 02:25:04 | DerPapst | filp hold on -> icon pops up |
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| 02:25:34 | DerPapst | heh |
| 02:25:47 | DerPapst | while the backlight is on it works as expected. |
| 02:26:07 | DerPapst | odd.. |
| 02:26:13 | * | DerPapst sighs |
| 02:26:25 | DerPapst | now it always works :-/ |
| 02:26:36 | DerPapst | with a short delay but it works |
| 02:26:37 | amiconn | Yeah, delayed interrupts |
| 02:27:07 | amiconn | I think ipl is correct on that but the udelay() seems a bit much to me for an isr |
| 02:27:22 | DerPapst | still trying with udelay(10);? |
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| 02:27:42 | amiconn | This does only apply to the G3 |
| 02:27:52 | amiconn | The G1/G2 need no delay at all here |
| 02:28:22 | amiconn | This delay is necessary because of the way Hold works on the G3 (and up) |
| 02:29:11 | DerPapst | s list acceleration :D |
| 02:29:24 | DerPapst | add /me love.... before |
| 02:29:37 | amiconn | The G4 driver uses 50µs in rockbox instead of 250µs |
| 02:29:53 | amiconn | I think this should be a good value for G3 as well |
| 02:30:15 | DerPapst | installing build with udelay(10) now |
| 02:30:22 | amiconn | Allows 5x the wheel speed before it stops working |
| 02:30:42 | * | amiconn needs to remember to implement repeat evens somehow |
| 02:30:47 | amiconn | *events |
| 02:31:06 | amiconn | Unfortunately the ld wheels don't report 'touched' state as a separate state |
| 02:31:11 | amiconn | s/ld/old/ |
| 02:31:19 | DerPapst | that would be a cool feature |
| 02:31:37 | amiconn | Well, the G4 and up all do (except the mini G1) |
| 02:32:13 | DerPapst | oh they do already... didn't know that |
| 02:35:39 | DerPapst | hmm.. udelay(10) seems to do ok. sometimes it takes ~0.5 seconds to show or hide the hold icon. |
| 02:36:16 | amiconn | The slight delay is normal |
| 02:36:27 | DerPapst | but at least it pops up or hides always when hold is toggled |
| 02:36:48 | amiconn | Flipping hold doesn't count as a button press, hence the change is delayed until the next redraw |
| 02:36:58 | DerPapst | aha. |
| 02:37:21 | DerPapst | shall i still try udelay(50)? |
| 02:37:50 | DerPapst | ^ (wonder if my grammar is foobar there) |
| 02:38:09 | amiconn | Would be nice... I wouldn't want to shorten the delay more than necessary |
| 02:38:18 | amiconn | And G4 uses 50 |
| 02:38:21 | DerPapst | ok |
| 02:38:37 | amiconn | Just check whether spinning the wheel rather fast makes it stop with 50 |
| 02:39:28 | DerPapst | what is the point of this delay anyways? only influences the behaviour of hold? |
| 02:40:15 | * | DerPapst should have better read the comment before asking... |
| 02:40:52 | amiconn | As I understand it, the hold switch on all newer ipods pulls all button lines high (including wheel) |
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| 02:41:52 | amiconn | So it makes the ipod 'think' all buttons are pressed at once. Hold itself filters that, but releasing hold then makes it appear like all buttons were released at once as well |
| 02:42:02 | | Part brent0n |
| 02:42:22 | amiconn | But some of those interrupts aren't fired immediately, so the delay is there to wait for all of them to 'show up' |
| 02:42:33 | amiconn | ...so they can be properly filtered out afterwards |
| 02:42:36 | DerPapst | heh |
| 02:45:22 | gxti | oh, that's nice |
| 02:45:29 | gxti | a nightly build from a month ago can actually play music |
| 02:45:32 | * | gxti should just use this |
| 02:46:33 | DerPapst | udelay(50); is ok. |
| 02:46:43 | amiconn | goodie :) |
| 02:47:02 | DerPapst | i've exaggerated with scrolling a lot and couldn't manage to hit the limit |
| 02:48:08 | amiconn | Well, causing (nearly) 20000 wheel interrupts per second might be difficult ;) |
| 02:48:31 | DerPapst | not for me! |
| 02:48:34 | amiconn | But 4000 seem to be manageable (250µs delay) |
| 02:48:35 | * | DerPapst tries again |
| 02:48:42 | DerPapst | (joking) |
| 02:49:15 | | Part Phil___ |
| 02:49:35 | DerPapst | now the G3 port of rockbox is somewhat usable :D |
| 02:49:43 | * | DerPapst does the rockbox dance |
| 02:49:47 | amiconn | yeah, 2nd gen as well |
| 02:50:06 | * | amiconn will go to sleep now and commit tomorrow, after a bit more cleanup |
| 02:50:14 | DerPapst | ok :) |
| 02:50:19 | DerPapst | good night |
| 02:50:31 | DerPapst | and thank you for all your awesome work :D |
| 02:52:19 | amiconn | The video/nano problem somewhat annoys me :\ |
| 02:52:42 | * | amiconn hopes to find a proper fix |
| 02:53:23 | DerPapst | didn't have any problems so far on my G5.5 |
| 02:53:51 | DerPapst | dunno if i'm running the latest of (and aupd) though |
| 02:53:59 | DerPapst | i'm running 1.3 |
| 02:54:17 | DerPapst | s/of/OF |
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| 02:57:29 | DerPapst | hmm... |
| 02:57:48 | DerPapst | the View HW Info screen doesn'T seem to update |
| 02:57:55 | DerPapst | on 3G |
| 03:00 |
| 03:00:51 | DerPapst | is that on purpose? |
| 03:03:58 | amiconn | What do you expect to update? |
| 03:04:07 | DerPapst | the estimated clock |
| 03:04:17 | amiconn | The clock estimate shouldn't update, because it disturbs playback |
| 03:04:20 | DerPapst | to know when it boots and when not |
| 03:04:55 | amiconn | It causes a short click as it has to disable fiq for a short time (but long enough for the fifos to run empty) |
| 03:05:08 | DerPapst | i had the feeling that my ipod doesn't boost at all while playing |
| 03:05:43 | amiconn | You can watch that in the audio thread of CPU frequency debug screens |
| 03:06:01 | DerPapst | maybe update when tapping center? ;) |
| 03:06:05 | DerPapst | ah.. ok |
| 03:06:06 | amiconn | The estimate is for checking whether the clock setup actually works as intended |
| 03:06:16 | amiconn | ..nothing more |
| 03:06:29 | DerPapst | ok.. then it's good. |
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| 03:09:00 | SuckaFoo | Hi everybody |
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| 03:11:49 | * | DerPapst is now going to sleep either. |
| 03:11:57 | DerPapst | Good night everyone :) |
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| 03:16:40 | Febs | Someone on Head-Fi claims that FLAC sounds different from ALAC in Rockbox. |
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| 03:18:41 | krazykit | Febs, and do they have any data to back that up? |
| 03:19:13 | Febs | No, of course not. Their support is that "there is an audible sparkle" with FLAC. |
| 03:19:32 | Battousai | i wish i could see sparkles with my ears |
| 03:19:33 | Febs | http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showpost.php?p=3149527&postcount=155 |
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| 03:23:13 | krazykit | just saying a "sparkle" can be heard is hardly evidence. what the hell does that even mean? |
| 03:23:38 | Febs | Most likely, it means that the guy is kidding himself. |
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| 03:24:06 | krazykit | looking at his other posts, it sounds like he's a sound sno |
| 03:24:07 | krazykit | b |
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| 03:24:28 | krazykit | "Both FLAC and ALAC bear that refined lossless finesse in sound" |
| 03:43:33 | thegeek | hhaha |
| 03:46:47 | Febs | Yeah, look at his most recent response to me. |
| 03:48:04 | krazykit | ...i don't think he understands a word of what he's talking about |
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| 03:55:55 | sharpe | so, what'd i miss? |
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| 04:00:02 | gxti | everything. |
| 04:00:33 | sharpe | amazing. |
| 04:00:49 | gxti | Febs: "dark sounding" headphones |
| 04:01:22 | gxti | i love audiophiles |
| 04:01:50 | sharpe | i was only gone, like, maybe a year or so. |
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| 04:05:46 | Febs | Gee, he really got the better of me: http://www.head-fi.org/forums/showthread.php?t=238616&page=8 |
| 04:07:58 | sharpe | wow, the concept of lossless audio compression really confounds me now. |
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| 04:10:13 | Febs | You mean the way it's apparently not really lossless? :) "FLAC. It's lossless, but with some extra sparkle!" |
| 04:11:01 | sharpe | yep... |
| 04:11:08 | gxti | little known fact: FLAC uses technology stolen from creative's x-fi chipsets to re-invent bits |
| 04:11:28 | gxti | also, i think i did something strange to my nano, because now writing files is painfully slow |
| 04:14:02 | sharpe | you know, i feel so ashamed i haven't used rockbox on my ipod for a long time now... |
| 04:14:49 | Febs | Shame on you! |
| 04:15:07 | sharpe | that's what i get for going away for ever, haha |
| 04:17:15 | Febs | Well, if it's been a year since you've used it, you'll find that it's much easier to install now. And has a nice root menu. And plenty of new eye candy, like iconsets. |
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| 04:19:51 | sharpe | it's kind of funny i'm still listed as a 'rockbox expert' on the forums though :) |
| 04:23:28 | asatru | Anyone care to assist with a problem I'm having getting mp3/mpg files to play on my newly installed Rockbox Gigabeat F20? |
| 04:26:58 | Febs | Is it the issue described in this thread? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11832.0 |
| 04:28:09 | asatru | Yes, that's the prob. That's me. |
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| 04:29:13 | Cultic | WOOOOOOOO! FUCK YEA BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:29:36 | sharpe | nice to meet you too. |
| 04:29:39 | Cultic | lol |
| 04:29:43 | asatru | heh |
| 04:29:44 | Cultic | srry thats how i enter |
| 04:30:13 | Cultic | hope i didnt insult anyone |
| 04:30:37 | Cultic | no one |
| 04:30:42 | Cultic | . . .? |
| 04:30:43 | Cultic | ok cool |
| 04:31:03 | Cultic | i love you guys |
| 04:31:16 | Febs | asatru: your problem has me stumped. |
| 04:31:24 | Cultic | ... |
| 04:31:29 | Cultic | hmm? |
| 04:31:35 | asatru | I was afraid that'd be the typical response. :-/ |
| 04:32:01 | Soul-Slayer | asatru: When did you install rockbox? |
| 04:32:10 | Cultic | im outtie |
| 04:32:18 | Cultic | WOOOOOOOO! LATER BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 04:32:24 | asatru | I still retain the sinking suspicion that I've *somehow* managed to botch something in the procedure... but can't for the life of me figure it out. |
| 04:32:28 | asatru | I installed this afternoon. |
| 04:32:41 | | Part Cultic |
| 04:32:52 | Soul-Slayer | There really is little you can botch, it's just dragging and dropping a few files |
| 04:32:55 | Febs | Soul-Slayer: according to the forum thread, he's using r14042. |
| 04:33:30 | Soul-Slayer | Let me check which I'm using |
| 04:33:34 | asatru | Or, at least a few console commands. Yes, the procedure is rather simple. |
| 04:34:08 | sharpe | i have to say, that is the best write-up of an issue i've seen. |
| 04:34:13 | Soul-Slayer | Febs: How often do bootloaders get recompiled? |
| 04:34:53 | Febs | Soul-Slayer: I'm not sure, to be honest. |
| 04:34:57 | Soul-Slayer | Okay. |
| 04:35:31 | asatru | It may have been my first post to a Rockbox forum, but I've been around. (Does Fido-NET and dialing into a BBS ring a bell?) :-P |
| 04:35:34 | Soul-Slayer | Because I recall barrywardell saying the bootloader for the Gigabeat is corrupt as of a few revisions ago, but I doubt the bootloader got recompiled that soon, so that's not going to be the problem. |
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| 04:36:08 | Soul-Slayer | Just reading this forum post of yours. |
| 04:36:39 | Febs | asatru: wow, you're bringing me back about 20+ years. I hadn't thought of Fido-NET in forever. |
| 04:36:47 | asatru | I appreciate the assist... even if it does not turn out any resolution. |
| 04:37:07 | asatru | heh. I was running a BBS on OS/2 then. |
| 04:37:38 | Soul-Slayer | Right, this is whats springing to mind. |
| 04:38:08 | Soul-Slayer | asatru: Could you please install this build: http://download.rockbox.org/daily/gigabeatf/rockbox-gigabeatf-20070727.zip |
| 04:38:27 | asatru | sure thing. D/L'ing now. |
| 04:39:25 | Soul-Slayer | Just try MP3 playback on it for now, if you could |
| 04:39:49 | asatru | will do. stand by. |
| 04:41:51 | asatru | Should I "fully" power down using the toggle switch at the bottom? Or is a simple reboot good enough? |
| 04:42:00 | Soul-Slayer | Reboot should be sufficient |
| 04:42:14 | Soul-Slayer | It's only when the bootloader is changed you need a full reboot |
| 04:42:29 | asatru | nod... just making sure. |
| 04:42:33 | Soul-Slayer | :) |
| 04:43:11 | asatru | mp3 playback is successful. :-) |
| 04:43:22 | Soul-Slayer | Right, if you still have your Video on there, try that too pelase |
| 04:43:32 | asatru | trying that now... |
| 04:43:33 | Soul-Slayer | Please even. |
| 04:44:11 | asatru | Elephant's Dream is now playing, Sound and everything! |
| 04:44:12 | asatru | So... |
| 04:44:15 | Soul-Slayer | Right. |
| 04:44:20 | asatru | What's the prob? |
| 04:44:32 | Soul-Slayer | One of todays commits, it seems. |
| 04:44:42 | Soul-Slayer | And I'm going to hinder a guess it is the MP3 optimizations on ARM |
| 04:45:05 | asatru | In all honesty, I was truly hoping it would have been that simple. |
| 04:45:18 | Soul-Slayer | As the Gigabeat does have an ARM core, albeit a newer one than the other targest |
| 04:45:25 | asatru | I suppose I should have hunted for a way to get the older builds before posting. |
| 04:45:39 | Soul-Slayer | Well, you had no reason to believe it was broken :-) |
| 04:45:48 | Soul-Slayer | Nor did we until now, thank you :p |
| 04:46:05 | asatru | Heh, uh... you're welcome? :-P |
| 04:46:28 | asatru | brb, updating my forum post. |
| 04:46:33 | Soul-Slayer | I believe linuxstb made that commit, should run it past him when he's on tomorrow. |
| 04:47:12 | asatru | I'll keep an eye out for him, and let him know if I see him. |
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| 04:47:33 | Soul-Slayer | Hopefully he checks chat logs :P |
| 04:47:48 | Febs | I think so, but let's open a bug report to be sure he sees it. |
| 04:47:58 | Soul-Slayer | Who wants to do the honours? |
| 04:49:01 | Febs | I'll do it. |
| 04:49:18 | Soul-Slayer | Okay. |
| 04:49:36 | asatru | Back now. Forum post updated. |
| 04:49:49 | Soul-Slayer | Can't be 100% sure it's due to the MP3 optimizations of course, but as that was the only major ARM commit |
| 04:50:08 | asatru | IANAP, but that does make sense if that's the case. |
| 04:51:11 | Soul-Slayer | And on the flyspray entry it doesn't seem like anyone tested it against the gigabeat |
| 04:51:38 | Soul-Slayer | Not that the gigabeat needs the optimizations too much, running at some ridiculous speed already. |
| 04:51:48 | Soul-Slayer | Anyway asatru, enjoy Rockbox :P |
| 04:52:00 | asatru | I truly appreciate the help. From both of you. |
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| 04:53:53 | sharpe | heh, i just provide entertainment while everyone else works away at solving problems, no different than what i did that year or so ago. |
| 04:54:19 | Soul-Slayer | Every project needs that person :p |
| 04:55:00 | sharpe | actually i think the most i ever got to was working on that c64 emulator plugin for rockbox. |
| 04:55:21 | Soul-Slayer | chips? |
| 04:55:26 | Soul-Slayer | Or whatever it's called ;$ |
| 04:55:40 | sharpe | you mean the chip8 one? |
| 04:55:47 | Soul-Slayer | Possibly :p |
| 04:56:12 | Soul-Slayer | Yes that one |
| 04:56:24 | sharpe | nope, it was a new plugin |
| 04:56:48 | sharpe | for emulating the commodore 64 :D |
| 04:56:55 | Soul-Slayer | I was unaware there was a C64 emulator :p |
| 04:57:33 | sharpe | well, there isn't, that was as much as i've contributed to rockbox; starting work on a plugin that never got finished |
| 04:57:52 | Soul-Slayer | This explains why it isn't there then :p |
| 04:58:47 | sharpe | most definitely. i'm not too sure i still have the source code around to it; i had it working sort of okayish on the ipod video though... |
| 04:58:59 | Soul-Slayer | Why is it I can read C, I can see how it works, but I can't write in the darn language. |
| 04:59:35 | Soul-Slayer | It's possibly out of sync by now |
| 04:59:37 | Soul-Slayer | Possibly :p |
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| 05:00:03 | sharpe | just a bit i'd imagine |
| 05:01:05 | sharpe | i doubt it'd be worth it trying to get it working again, i doubt many people want a c64 emulator for their player anyway, haha |
| 05:04:00 | Soul-Slayer | It would only be fuel to the people who think Rockbox turns your DAP into a gameboy with a music playing add-on |
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| 05:04:46 | sharpe | yep, why not feed the flame for them? haha. |
| 05:05:07 | Soul-Slayer | Because the forums have people requesting things like Doom 3 being ported to Rockbox :p |
| 05:05:16 | sharpe | seriously? |
| 05:05:16 | Soul-Slayer | That, and Nintendo DS emulators. |
| 05:05:38 | saratoga | we need a port to the Nintendo DS |
| 05:06:13 | Soul-Slayer | All my DAPs consist of one screen and none of them are touch sensitive :( |
| 05:06:15 | asatru | Heh, you have to love the attitude of the ones who think that it's all just magic. If you can run one game, you can run them all! |
| 05:06:46 | saratoga | anyway, what is this about the new ARM optimizations for MP3? |
| 05:07:06 | Soul-Slayer | They break the gigabeat. |
| 05:07:07 | sharpe | causing a problem with playback on the gigabeat? |
| 05:07:10 | Soul-Slayer | Otherwise, it's all goo |
| 05:07:12 | Soul-Slayer | good* |
| 05:07:17 | saratoga | that doesn't make much sense |
| 05:07:28 | Soul-Slayer | Well, the gigabeat has an ARM9 core |
| 05:07:45 | Soul-Slayer | And little iram I believe? |
| 05:08:01 | saratoga | the gigabeat is arm just like the PP, but it doesn't use IRAM, so its hard to imagine a way to get something to run on PP but not the gigabeat |
| 05:08:17 | saratoga | it should just ignore the IRAM stuff in that patch and run the arm stuff normally |
| 05:08:26 | Soul-Slayer | I'm not sure it was accounted for with the PP5002s |
| 05:08:37 | Soul-Slayer | PP502X even |
| 05:08:46 | Soul-Slayer | Or... Both :$ |
| 05:08:56 | saratoga | we tested on the PP5002. 5020 and 5024 |
| 05:09:06 | saratoga | i don't think anyone checked the gigabeat |
| 05:09:17 | Soul-Slayer | I looked through the FS and there was no mention, no |
| 05:09:33 | Soul-Slayer | But the latest revision, MP3 playback and mpegplayer both fail |
| 05:09:33 | saratoga | so it'll just crash? |
| 05:10:46 | Soul-Slayer | I'll check to see if there are any error messages, give me a few mins. |
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| 05:12:17 | saratoga | it drops to the splash screen and then click like the dac is reset |
| 05:12:42 | asatru | That's what I experienced. |
| 05:12:52 | asatru | on two separate Gigabeat F20s. |
| 05:13:12 | Soul-Slayer | MP3 playback for me with latest revision has just abruptly frozen |
| 05:13:19 | Soul-Slayer | Backlight is block on, no LCD movements |
| 05:13:41 | Soul-Slayer | Disk continually spinning |
| 05:14:12 | saratoga | i'll look into it now |
| 05:14:37 | Soul-Slayer | Currently can't reboot into Linux to create a build before the ARM optimizations but I can't see what else it could be |
| 05:15:15 | Soul-Slayer | Got an error message from playing MP3's now. |
| 05:15:25 | Soul-Slayer | Undefined instruction at 00000044 |
| 05:16:25 | asatru | I saw an error similar to that, but it was 00000050, and it only displayed once. Since it was a transient problem that I couldn't reproduce, I did not mention it in the forum post. |
| 05:16:28 | Soul-Slayer | Another time the whole thing just resets. |
| 05:16:39 | Soul-Slayer | Yes, I'm getting different results each time |
| 05:16:51 | saratoga | what i really want to know is how that code gets slower by putting it in IRAM |
| 05:16:53 | Soul-Slayer | First was a hard freeze, second was that error message, third it just rebooted. |
| 05:16:59 | saratoga | on the PP5020 anyway |
| 05:17:21 | Soul-Slayer | Now it's just continually rebooting. |
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| 06:03:17 | TiMiD[FD] | haha funny my commit makes ld segfault on the build server ^^ |
| 06:03:39 | TiMiD[FD] | ah not ld |
| 06:03:52 | TiMiD[FD] | make[1]: *** [/home/rbclient/build-h10boot/H10_20GC.mi4] Segmentation fault |
| 06:07:22 | sharpe | it makes make segfault :D |
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| 06:09:17 | TiMiD[FD] | I'm so good :) |
| 06:09:33 | asatru | :-P |
| 06:09:49 | asatru | um... Congrats? |
| 06:10:31 | TiMiD[FD] | ah I'm blushing ! |
| 06:11:03 | sharpe | the irony |
| 06:11:50 | TiMiD[FD] | oh yes only one warning left ! |
| 06:12:16 | TiMiD[FD] | it's as if I was sending directly the code to the build farm before testing locally ... |
| 06:12:27 | Soul-Slayer | Nothing wrong with the build table looking.. Ehhm... Festive |
| 06:12:51 | TiMiD[FD] | I like when it looks like it's las vegas |
| 06:14:03 | TiMiD[FD] | very weird though, I don't get the last warning with my gcc |
| 06:14:08 | TiMiD[FD] | or I didn't noticed it |
| 06:14:23 | TiMiD[FD] | maybe a -Werror would be a nice thing to add ? |
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| 06:23:38 | asatru | g'nite all. Thanks for the help. |
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| 06:24:15 | Soul-Slayer | It's still broken. |
| 06:24:17 | Soul-Slayer | :p |
| 06:24:24 | TiMiD[FD] | erm |
| 06:24:33 | TiMiD[FD] | what does "ld" means in the build table ? |
| 06:24:53 | sharpe | the linker had a problem? |
| 06:25:04 | saratoga | has anyone been following the gigabeat bootloader rewrite project? |
| 06:25:19 | TiMiD[FD] | sounds like this is not really related tomy comit ... |
| 06:25:39 | Soul-Slayer | No I don't think it is, there are stray 'ld's all through the table :S |
| 06:25:44 | TiMiD[FD] | my commit regarding the maintainer file generated an "ld" error too |
| 06:26:04 | TiMiD[FD] | and this beautiful segfault:) |
| 06:26:04 | sharpe | hmm... i thought ld was the linker... |
| 06:26:21 | TiMiD[FD] | could be some defectuous hardware ... |
| 06:26:40 | Soul-Slayer | saratoga: All I know about the gigabeat bootloader is that barrywardell tried compiling it earlier and it caused a panic |
| 06:27:56 | TiMiD[FD] | ah even amiconn gotthose errors |
| 06:29:45 | saratoga | Soul-Slayer: sorry, I mean the guy who was working on replacing the ROM |
| 06:30:24 | Soul-Slayer | Ah, you mean flashing the gigabeat? |
| 06:31:40 | Soul-Slayer | Sounds like great fun for whoevers willing to try it :$ |
| 06:36:41 | Soul-Slayer | sharpe: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=7268.0 |
| 06:37:05 | sharpe | wow, you weren't kidding. |
| 06:37:25 | Soul-Slayer | Afraid not :p |
| 06:39:54 | Soul-Slayer | I think a sticky needs to be made in the plugins forum emphasising that the plugins come prepackaged with Rockbox |
| 06:40:04 | Soul-Slayer | Too many posts just say 'How do I download games' and so on. |
| 06:40:30 | sharpe | there's already a notice on the plugins index on the wiki, not that people normally read before asking questions though... |
| 06:40:52 | Soul-Slayer | It's on the manual too, but people still ask |
| 06:41:57 | Soul-Slayer | The majority of questions people ask are fully documented in the manual or wiki... What stops them feeling able to read them I'll never know |
| 06:42:06 | sharpe | maybe that should be a requirement for posting in a certain forum; that you read the section on that topic in the wiki and the manual... haha. |
| 06:42:40 | Soul-Slayer | Or a small quiz before you're allowed to install Rockbox :p |
| 06:43:00 | sharpe | that could make for a fun plugin |
| 06:44:03 | Soul-Slayer | Anyway, it's ridiculously late (Wait... Early) here now, so I should be going. Happy Sunday everyone. |
| 06:44:19 | sharpe | g'day. |
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| 06:58:09 | saratoga | got mp3 playback on the gigabeat working :) |
| 06:58:53 | saratoga | anyone know what the proper check is for the gigabeat CPU? |
| 06:59:52 | saratoga | defined(TOSHIBA_GIGABEAT_F) ok ? |
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| 07:01:12 | sharpe | sounds reasonable to me :D |
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| 07:17:42 | saratoga | ok commited the fix |
| 07:17:54 | saratoga | hopefully I did that right, I don't really know anything about the gigabeat port |
| 07:18:00 | saratoga | but it seems to fix playback on my gigabeat |
| 07:19:02 | sharpe | seeing as how i can't really contribute to that, i won't say anything :) |
| 07:19:50 | saratoga | did anyone ever benchmark the gigabeat before that patch? |
| 07:20:02 | saratoga | i wonder how much faster it got with the arm optimizations |
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| 07:25:32 | TiMiD[FD] | hey how do you include links to the tracker patchs in your commits ? |
| 07:25:35 | TiMiD[FD] | simple html ? |
| 07:26:54 | saratoga | that'd be my guess, I've never tried it though |
| 07:27:00 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
| 07:27:03 | TiMiD[FD] | I'll try |
| 07:27:24 | jhMikeS | saratoga: maybe you just gave me an idea about the bootloader problem on gigabeat |
| 07:27:24 | TiMiD[FD] | after all my red builds I've nothing to loose anyway |
| 07:30:17 | saratoga | jhMikeS: that'd be pretty funny |
| 07:30:34 | TiMiD[FD] | someone here who can close taskson the tracker ? |
| 07:30:44 | saratoga | also, aliask was asking about the gigabeat bootloader over in the gigabeat S channel for that port |
| 07:31:06 | saratoga | if you're familar with it maybe you could talk to him |
| 07:31:12 | saratoga | no idea what he really wanted to know though |
| 07:31:24 | saratoga | TiMiD[FD]: what number? |
| 07:31:51 | TiMiD[FD] | 7421 |
| 07:31:57 | jhMikeS | if icode causes problems, it could be the asm being icode. that problem started at the lcd commit. |
| 07:32:21 | TiMiD[FD] | and for your information, putting html in commit messages is not a good idea :p |
| 07:32:34 | saratoga | what do you want the closing message to be? |
| 07:32:51 | sharpe | "it's all good" ? |
| 07:33:02 | TiMiD[FD] | "fixed by r0x0r kevin" |
| 07:33:26 | saratoga | hmm how about "fixed by r14051" |
| 07:33:37 | TiMiD[FD] | eh sounds nice too :) |
| 07:34:17 | TiMiD[FD] | who could give me some rights on the tracker ? |
| 07:34:29 | saratoga | i have no idea |
| 07:34:34 | saratoga | i just got them suddenly this week |
| 07:34:41 | saratoga | Llorean maybe? |
| 07:34:42 | TiMiD[FD] | ahok |
| 07:34:42 | sharpe | makes me wonder if i have them... |
| 07:34:55 | TiMiD[FD] | so maybe I have them too ... |
| 07:35:22 | TiMiD[FD] | hm I can only request closure |
| 07:35:33 | TiMiD[FD] | so no :) |
| 07:35:55 | sharpe | i forgot what my flyspray login was... oh well. |
| 07:36:37 | saratoga | jhMikeS: yeah I was pretty surprised today when I found that it didn't work |
| 07:36:53 | TiMiD[FD] | I wonder which colors I'll get on the build page ... |
| 07:37:00 | saratoga | i assumed we had some magic that made gcc ignore icode on the gigabeat |
| 07:37:45 | TiMiD[FD] | committing is like playing russian roulette |
| 07:38:04 | sharpe | why's that? |
| 07:38:34 | saratoga | i think its a problem with one of the build servers |
| 07:39:04 | jhMikeS | saratoga: at least I know that's not the problem now :P. I wonder if something changed things so the linking isn't right. gah! I really have no clue atm. |
| 07:40:20 | saratoga | jhMikeS: changed? Did it used to allow .icode sections? |
| 07:42:04 | jhMikeS | I see allowance for that in the lds file |
| 07:50:52 | jhMikeS | odd thing is that nothing should be trying to use ticks if usb is inserted |
| 07:54:19 | jhMikeS | saratoga: you had to hotswap to recover? |
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| 08:00:33 | sharpe | wow, hey, look at that. the source to that space invaders emulator and the c64 emulator... |
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| 08:06:35 | bascule | can I build voices using VMWare? |
| 08:08:56 | amiconn | mo0ning |
| 08:09:16 | amiconn | TiMiD[FD]: Did you actually add the URL to your last commit msg? |
| 08:11:51 | amiconn | The script for the frontpage spots 'FS #nnnn' in commit messages and automagically creates a link. No need to clutter svn with that |
| 08:13:07 | sharpe | amiconn: he wasn't sure how to link to a tracker item |
| 08:13:20 | amiconn | saratoga: Well spotted (the gigabeat fix) |
| 08:14:07 | amiconn | Well, almost. The fix in the .c file should be unnecessary, using the ICODE_ATTR macro is enough as it evaluates to nothing for the gigabeat |
| 08:15:00 | amiconn | But in the asm the sections are hardcoded, and the gigabeat has no iram. (well actually it does but it's not used at all in rockbox) |
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| 08:32:41 | saratoga | amiconn: thanks |
| 08:33:01 | saratoga | jhMikeS: no never had any serious problems with rockbox |
| 08:34:53 | amiconn | Removing the fix from the .c should work |
| 08:36:00 | * | amiconn wonders why linuxstb did use the standard way of leaving out some IRAM code/vars in a codec in his libmad commit |
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| 08:39:55 | jhMikeS | saratoga: somethings adding ticks before calling kernel_init. if I take the panic out, things proceed well. |
| 08:40:18 | jhMikeS | it's doing it before even checking the USB status |
| 08:46:48 | * | jhMikeS spots really funky asm |
| 08:47:01 | saratoga | jhMikeS: sorry, I'm out of the loop, which problem is this? |
| 08:48:42 | jhMikeS | weren't you talking about the gigabeat bootloader panicing? |
| 08:49:11 | saratoga | jhMikeS: no |
| 08:50:01 | saratoga | i didn't realize there was a problem with it actually |
| 08:50:43 | jhMikeS | ok, lol. |
| 08:51:11 | saratoga | what problem is there with it? |
| 08:52:13 | jhMikeS | it panics at startup with "Error! tick_add_task(): out of tasks" and after a commit I made that has nothing to do with tick tasks. |
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| 08:58:51 | amiconn | jhMikeS: My first thought is that there is a driver that tries to use tick tasks without #ifndef BOOTLOADER on the gigabeat |
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| 09:00:43 | jhMikeS | I can't find it. I'm not sure it's actually executing the relocated code. |
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| 09:17:25 | sharpe | hmm... didn't rockbox used to use something else before svn? |
| 09:17:56 | jhMikeS | ah, __backlight_init is probabaly the reason |
| 09:32:59 | jhMikeS | sharpe: cvs |
| 09:33:05 | amiconn | ogg is still more efficient on PP than mp3 |
| 09:33:10 | amiconn | Well, at least on PP5002 |
| 09:33:19 | sharpe | ah, thanks |
| 09:33:19 | jhMikeS | bootloader fixed :D |
| 09:34:47 | * | amiconn listens to his one single ogg album |
| 09:35:23 | sharpe | ogg still just sounds funny to me |
| 09:35:37 | amiconn | In what way? |
| 09:35:53 | sharpe | how it's pronounced |
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| 10:45:16 | SliMM | hello |
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| 10:46:49 | SliMM | i have a problem on ipod video 5g 30gb: scrolling a large list of files slows down the scrolling speed and the scrolling is not smooth and also it gets quite booring |
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| 10:47:42 | SliMM | the scroll whell acceleration would help, even if it's difficult to solve the smooth scrolling problem,don't you think so? |
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| 10:54:39 | bascule | can I build voices using VMWare? It sems the required packages aren't installed and I can't apt-get them. |
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| 11:13:28 | * | pixelma doesn't like plugin button actions :\ |
| 11:14:48 | pixelma | because it was first designed from bubbles, the "generic 'fire'" button is mapped to "up" on Ondio - which makes sense for bubbles but not for other games (like the jackpot one |
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| 11:15:50 | AceNik | hey guys i need help setting up VMware anybody? |
| 11:16:23 | * | JdGordon agress with pixelma |
| 11:16:29 | pixelma | and the actions already introduced a hack for Ondio even in this first plugin (bubbles) that uses them - and all these things are now hidden in a second file |
| 11:17:21 | JdGordon | speaking of bubbles... /me preparing to commit a button fix for the sansa for it :p |
| 11:17:24 | pixelma | JdGordon: interesting that you say this |
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| 11:18:07 | JdGordon | meh, my code isnt 100% always... PLA needs a bit of work |
| 11:18:25 | JdGordon | ... but really from somone who has alot more targets than just the 2 i have |
| 11:18:44 | AceNik | guys what do i do after setting up the debian package & selecting shells−−>extern |
| 11:18:44 | AceNik | how do i copy the source to VMware from cygwin |
| 11:22:51 | JdGordon | pixelma: do you want to see if we can figure out more appropriate mappings for all targets? |
| 11:23:03 | * | JdGordon doesnt belive the system is flawed, just a bit annoying to use |
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| 11:23:30 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: how's the sd card working for ya now? |
| 11:23:46 | JdGordon | havnt updated since the one you sent me last night |
| 11:23:57 | JdGordon | I've had 1 instert which even with the delay didnt load |
| 11:24:03 | JdGordon | other than that its been good |
| 11:24:35 | jhMikeS | some cards can take up to around 2 seconds to finish power on believe it or not |
| 11:25:10 | * | JdGordon guesses mine could be one like that |
| 11:25:14 | SliMM | acenik: type \\debian\user |
| 11:25:19 | jhMikeS | I put it in a 1/2 second and now isn't sure that's right |
| 11:25:22 | SliMM | in windows |
| 11:25:30 | SliMM | make a folder called rockbox |
| 11:25:33 | SliMM | and copy |
| 11:25:51 | pixelma | JdGordon: I don't like the system at all because plugins can be so different in controls depending on gameplay and keypad |
| 11:25:53 | SliMM | you will find the source in /home/user/rockbox under VM |
| 11:26:08 | SliMM | if you are logged in as root |
| 11:26:10 | * | jhMikeS says "SD Card Insert Delay" setting :P |
| 11:26:31 | SliMM | if you are logged in as rockbox, you will already be in the 'user' directory |
| 11:26:35 | pixelma | s/plugins/games especially |
| 11:26:49 | jhMikeS | it's rather obvious the Sansa OF takes it's sweet time waiting on the worst case |
| 11:27:02 | SliMM | acenik: got that? |
| 11:28:15 | SliMM | when will something like the scroll whell acceleration patch will be in svn? |
| 11:28:27 | SliMM | sorry for the second 'will' |
| 11:28:51 | SliMM | because scrolling a large list of files is a real main |
| 11:28:58 | SliMM | and it's also not smooth at all |
| 11:29:41 | JdGordon | its already there |
| 11:29:50 | JdGordon | unless your an iopd user |
| 11:30:00 | AceNik | Slimm: can i talk in pvtt |
| 11:30:01 | SliMM | i am an ipod user :)) |
| 11:30:12 | SliMM | acenik: i'm not registered, i can't |
| 11:30:33 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I count 3 second before OF starts updating the database :\ |
| 11:30:34 | AceNik | ok well i loaded the rockbox.vmx image |
| 11:30:40 | AceNik | now its shows user@debian: |
| 11:30:46 | SliMM | yeah, log in |
| 11:30:49 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: /me doesnt use the OF so wouldnt know :p |
| 11:30:58 | SliMM | did you log in? |
| 11:31:01 | AceNik | what kind of login? |
| 11:31:15 | SliMM | you should have a login screen |
| 11:31:18 | AceNik | no it jus loaded this image , it says resuming virtual machine state |
| 11:31:20 | * | jhMikeS makes alot of comparisons in order to best it |
| 11:31:25 | SliMM | wait |
| 11:31:38 | AceNik | when i initially setup , first i did login as user n pass rockbox |
| 11:31:40 | JdGordon | bah, segfault on one of the servers again |
| 11:31:57 | SliMM | i always log in as root :P |
| 11:32:13 | SliMM | did the vm resume? |
| 11:32:25 | AceNik | slimm: yes |
| 11:32:38 | AceNik | i have a extern window open that says user@debian |
| 11:32:49 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I think I should add switches that can shut down certain wheel features like velocity filtering which are great for lists but rather bad for games perhaps. |
| 11:33:04 | SliMM | acenick: a shell window? |
| 11:33:06 | JdGordon | possibly |
| 11:33:13 | AceNik | ya |
| 11:33:30 | * | jhMikeS tests bubbles |
| 11:33:51 | AceNik | guys how do i give acces to a unregistered user for messages? |
| 11:33:54 | SliMM | acenik: you can download the sourcecode, or type \\debian\user in windows to acces your files in the VM via windows explorer |
| 11:33:55 | JdGordon | brickmania has some problems at the slow cpu speed |
| 11:34:55 | jhMikeS | seems alright here |
| 11:35:14 | jhMikeS | they all suck if music is going though |
| 11:35:18 | SliMM | JdGordon: what should i do for at least smooth scrolling? |
| 11:35:23 | AceNik | D:\VMware\VMware Player this is whr the player is |
| 11:36:02 | SliMM | acenik: you should only type \\debian\user in the adress bar of the windows explorer |
| 11:36:22 | SliMM | or search for computers in your network and go to debian |
| 11:36:26 | AceNik | slimm: nothin happens |
| 11:36:37 | AceNik | ok wait i got a window |
| 11:36:39 | SliMM | the VM makes a virtual network file share |
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| 11:39:23 | AceNik | SLIMM: U THR ? |
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| 11:39:42 | AceNik | let me start fresh should i start VMware n then type this |
| 11:40:20 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: the wheel makes the game ridiculously easy :) |
| 11:40:33 | SliMM | acenik: i am here |
| 11:40:44 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: bubbles is a pretty easy game anyway |
| 11:40:46 | JdGordon | too easy? |
| 11:41:03 | SliMM | jdgordon: did you pass level 71? |
| 11:41:17 | * | JdGordon has better ways to waste time |
| 11:41:40 | SliMM | level 71 is not that easy |
| 11:41:43 | pixelma | jhMikeS: try it on your X5 (provided the "joystick right" works as "good" as on my M5... |
| 11:41:59 | AceNik | slimm: ok i restarted VMware with the rockbox image now im typing \\debian\user in my explorer |
| 11:42:20 | AceNik | jdgordon:im also stuck at level70 in bubbles |
| 11:42:21 | SliMM | did you log in in vmware? |
| 11:42:30 | AceNik | no it doesnt ask |
| 11:42:46 | AceNik | slimm:i jus start the player n i load the image |
| 11:42:58 | SliMM | do you at least see the rockbox wallpapered desktop? |
| 11:43:09 | SliMM | in VMware |
| 11:43:22 | AceNik | yup i c that |
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| 11:43:46 | SliMM | acenick: try using full words :-) |
| 11:43:51 | jhMikeS | pixelma: uhh...joystick right is usually the problem with Cowon devices ;) |
| 11:44:00 | AceNik | slimm: i see the rockbox desktop |
| 11:44:13 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: i dont tihnk its too easy.. could be my wheel though.... if you want to fix it just change the ANGLE_STEP defnie at the top of the file |
| 11:44:14 | SliMM | acenick: did you manage to conect to the virtual machine? |
| 11:44:25 | SliMM | connect* |
| 11:44:43 | AceNik | slimm: i reset the thing now it asks me a login |
| 11:44:43 | AceNik | like before, do i login as user n rockbox pass |
| 11:44:59 | SliMM | try root/rockbox |
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| 11:45:09 | SliMM | i like it more |
| 11:45:12 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: It's just nonstop firing and hitting it all spot-on...no effort |
| 11:45:17 | AceNik | slimm: ok now i entered the user & password , now i c the rockbox desktop |
| 11:45:25 | SliMM | good |
| 11:45:39 | SliMM | now switch to a windows explorer window |
| 11:45:48 | SliMM | do you have an adress bar? |
| 11:45:55 | SliMM | address* |
| 11:45:56 | AceNik | ok i typed \\debian\user |
| 11:46:03 | * | jhMikeS tries it on x5 shortly |
| 11:46:06 | pixelma | jhMikeS: there seem better devices (amiconn's and my father's X5 don't have that problem - at least not the obvious) |
| 11:46:14 | AceNik | slimm: cool a folder opened uyp |
| 11:46:21 | SliMM | ah, finally |
| 11:46:41 | AceNik | slimm: may i ask which drive is this folder on |
| 11:47:03 | AceNik | slimm: is this being used as the 2GB thats reserved by VMware |
| 11:47:13 | SliMM | it's on a 'computer' in your 'network' called 'debian' |
| 11:47:32 | AceNik | slimm: ok |
| 11:47:35 | SliMM | VMware simulates this computer on your network |
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| 11:48:11 | SliMM | if you are logged in as "rockbox", you already are in this folder |
| 11:48:12 | AceNik | slimm: now how do i copy my cygwin source to this folder |
| 11:48:24 | jhMikeS | pixelma: mine just has a prematurely dead battery after they "fixed" the joystick but not before breaking the USB controller too. their service reputation is quite lousy. |
| 11:48:45 | SliMM | if you are logged in as root, you must type 'cd /home/user' in the linux shell |
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| 11:49:10 | * | jhMikeS never wants to send it back to Cowon for any reason |
| 11:49:25 | pixelma | jhMikeS: I read your comments here earlier... |
| 11:49:49 | * | jhMikeS cannot comment enough about it |
| 11:49:59 | SliMM | acenick: you can copy your source files to this folder or a rockbox folder in it, or you can get the up-to-date source code by using the svn command in the VM, as described in the wiki |
| 11:50:10 | AceNik | slimm: where do i check if im logged on as root, i havent opened the shell−−>extern yet |
| 11:50:48 | SliMM | acenick: if you typed 'root' as the user, at the log in screen, you are logged in as root |
| 11:51:17 | AceNik | slimm: i typed user |
| 11:51:36 | AceNik | so when i open my extern window it shows user@debian |
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| 11:52:24 | AceNik | do i copy only a rockbox folder to this \\debian\user |
| 11:52:26 | SliMM | just copy something in the folder you opened in windows |
| 11:52:50 | SliMM | and then type 'dir' in the shell i belive |
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| 11:54:13 | AceNik | slimm; ok 2 mins copying whole source |
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| 11:55:40 | SliMM | acenik: i need to go, try searching for some linux help to be able to work in VMware :) |
| 11:55:55 | jhMikeS | the worst thing is that the battery problem makes it unrealistic to do all x5 power stuff I planned to do :\ |
| 11:56:05 | SliMM | just remember this: \\debian\user = /home/user |
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| 11:56:10 | SliMM | bye |
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| 11:59:03 | * | jhMikeS rifled-off a new bubbles high score #1 in just a few levels :p |
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| 12:03:10 | jhMikeS | the joystick angle seems a bit coarse on x5 now. is that new or am I used to something else? |
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| 12:41:12 | AceNik | uys how do you copy text fromt he VMware shell windows> |
| 12:42:12 | obo | I don't think you can directly - but you could ssh to it |
| 12:42:24 | AceNik | whats that ? |
| 12:42:49 | AceNik | how am i supposed to copy the rror its giving me to show it to you guys |
| 12:42:52 | obo | a remote shell - I'm guessing you're on windows, look for a program called PuTTY |
| 12:43:19 | AceNik | & what do i do with that program ? |
| 12:44:09 | obo | put in debian as the host to connect to, and login |
| 12:45:28 | AceNik | guys i jus gave my first make command on VMware i get this problem can you please help it says unrecognised file format or somethin |
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| 12:45:51 | Domonoky | there is also some VMWare tools to allow copy via Clipboard to and from the VMware.. but i dont know for sure.. |
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| 12:47:56 | AceNik | it says scramble -o unrecognised format |
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| 12:50:01 | _jz | hallo ! |
| 12:50:16 | _jz | so many jpg seem to be "unsupported" |
| 12:50:20 | AceNik | guys anyone there? |
| 12:50:21 | _jz | what is it due to ? |
| 12:50:45 | jhMikeS | progressive jpeg _i think_ |
| 12:51:13 | AceNik | _jz: or probably you buffer is full , try playing them without music on, |
| 12:51:15 | Domonoky | _jz: those jpegs are probably in progressiv format, rockbox jpeg viewer doesnt suport zhis.. |
| 12:51:58 | AceNik | domonoky do you use VMware |
| 12:52:13 | * | jhMikeS wonders why it shouldn't support it |
| 12:52:25 | Domonoky | AceNik: sometimes.. |
| 12:52:36 | AceNik | then please help me with my problem here |
| 12:53:02 | _jz | Domonoky: ha yeah probably |
| 12:53:05 | AceNik | i just gave my frist make command & it says scrammble.0 unrecognised file format |
| 12:53:19 | Domonoky | AceNik: did you run configure ? |
| 12:53:59 | AceNik | ya |
| 12:54:12 | AceNik | wait ill try somethin & brb |
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| 12:59:40 | AceNik | therer is some error always related to gcc & scramble-o |
| 12:59:55 | AceNik | what do i do , i cant build now |
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| 13:02:09 | aliask | AceNik: Are you building a clean sourece? |
| 13:02:12 | aliask | -e |
| 13:02:20 | linuxstb | AceNik: Did you copy your source tree from your cygwin installation? If so, try "make veryclean" |
| 13:02:49 | AceNik | ok |
| 13:03:22 | linuxstb | The old .o file would be compiled for cygwin, which is why gcc in vmware doesn't recognise the format. |
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| 13:04:26 | AceNik | ok now should i re-run make |
| 13:04:35 | AceNik | its done i must say VMware is hell fast |
| 13:05:10 | AceNik | linuxstb: thanks buddy it accepted make command now after "veryclean" |
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| 13:07:37 | AceNik | it still ave me an error in rocks? |
| 13:08:16 | AceNik | do i need to repatch also ? |
| 13:08:36 | linuxstb | What is the error? |
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| 13:09:10 | AceNik | error [rocks2] |
| 13:09:50 | AceNik | [rocks] error 2 |
| 13:09:59 | AceNik | [build] error 2 |
| 13:10:22 | linuxstb | Have you run "make clean" as well? |
| 13:10:45 | AceNik | nopes |
| 13:10:55 | linuxstb | Hmm, but "make veryclean" should have done a clean as well... |
| 13:11:17 | AceNik | ok im seeing what this net make i did would ive |
| 13:11:27 | linuxstb | But there must be a more specific error message before the one you quoted. |
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| 13:12:02 | AceNik | ok ill check with this one , i reverted svn now n re-did "make veryclean" |
| 13:12:06 | amiconn | hmm |
| 13:12:20 | * | amiconn needs to find some info about the 1st/2nd gen ADC |
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| 13:13:27 | DerPapst | mahlzeit :) |
| 13:13:33 | AceNik | amiconn: cant we interprete the OF's code for scrolling on the H10, is that possible? |
| 13:14:06 | amiconn | What's the current time in PST? |
| 13:14:21 | amiconn | Maxim website is down until 10pm PST :( |
| 13:14:29 | AceNik | linuxstb: done buddy thanks, compiled a normal build will patch now |
| 13:14:30 | obo | 4am |
| 13:14:59 | * | DerPapst suggests google cache? |
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| 13:17:21 | amiconn | Found the MAX115 datasheet elsewhere |
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| 13:18:46 | amiconn | I wonder how it's hooked up in the ipod, and whether ipl has code to read it |
| 13:19:02 | amiconn | I didn't find anything in the kernel sources |
| 13:19:16 | * | amiconn doesn't know much about the linux internals |
| 13:19:34 | amiconn | Does uclinux allow applications to access the hardware directly? |
| 13:20:13 | DerPapst | yes. |
| 13:20:24 | DerPapst | we use that in podzilla and hotdog. |
| 13:20:47 | DerPapst | in hotdog for the b&w displays. |
| 13:20:55 | amiconn | I guess that's in the svn you linked to some days ago? |
| 13:21:06 | * | amiconn goes hunting the url |
| 13:21:44 | DerPapst | yes... but a lot of work to hotdog has been done after we have moved the svn repo. |
| 13:21:59 | DerPapst | which is still down :( |
| 13:22:25 | DerPapst | http://opensvn.csie.org/courtc |
| 13:22:33 | DerPapst | ^the older working ione |
| 13:25:11 | DerPapst | or http://www.box.net/shared/3e4bi32q9s which is a recent source snapshot co'ed on windows. so all the symlinks are replaced by *.LNK files |
| 13:25:49 | DerPapst | so you can't compile e.g. ttk on linux without fixing the symlinks first. |
| 13:26:16 | DerPapst | but at least the code is the most recent you can get from iPL |
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| 13:49:09 | amiconn | hmmm |
| 13:51:53 | DerPapst | hm? |
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| 14:00:54 | * | amiconn is lost in the ipl code |
| 14:02:11 | JdGordon | whats up with all the datab aborts which are being reported on ipods lately? |
| 14:02:17 | DerPapst | heh. i probably can't help you on this |
| 14:02:41 | * | DerPapst is most often lost in rockbox' code too ;) |
| 14:03:20 | * | DerPapst just opend FS #7504 to figure them out faster. |
| 14:04:06 | JdGordon | i was just looking at 7501 which is the patc for 7504 |
| 14:04:26 | DerPapst | o.O |
| 14:04:32 | * | DerPapst has overseen that |
| 14:05:14 | DerPapst | blehh... i'm always too slow :-/ |
| 14:06:23 | obo | I posted that patch after reading last nights logs - made that patch a few weeks ago |
| 14:07:27 | DerPapst | i bet my tiny discussion with amiconn ;) |
| 14:08:43 | obo | For a 5g it's an extra 240kb on the zip... |
| 14:09:35 | DerPapst | i could live with that. (and i bet most of the users too) |
| 14:10:23 | obo | Well... there was talk of changing the distributed build system so it collected make mapzip and held them along with the current builds |
| 14:11:54 | DerPapst | yeah but only the current builds not current_build-1 |
| 14:14:29 | JdGordon | yeah, having the maps in the user zips is a waste really... as long as they get on download.rockbox.org its enough |
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| 14:15:19 | JdGordon | obo: can you fix it to create rockboxmaps.zip instead? then we just need Bagder to fix the build script to collect them |
| 14:15:25 | obo | The only advantage to having them in the user zip is it could also help unofficial builds... |
| 14:15:55 | obo | JdGordon: that already exists - make mapzip |
| 14:16:34 | JdGordon | oh, then ignore me :p |
| 14:17:57 | DerPapst | i think they sould go in the userzips regardless whether they are downloaded from rockbox.org or self compiled |
| 14:18:24 | JdGordon | no, they are a waste for 99% of users |
| 14:18:38 | JdGordon | as long as we can access the mapzip for a particular build its enough |
| 14:19:50 | DerPapst | for really any build which is... lets say from 2 weeks ago or so? |
| 14:20:06 | obo | Are the server-side build scripts available anywhere? |
| 14:20:18 | JdGordon | i dont think so |
| 14:20:30 | JdGordon | DerPapst: builds are kept for 30 days.. so so shold the maps |
| 14:20:37 | DerPapst | aren't they in www in the repo? |
| 14:20:47 | JdGordon | besides.. if a bug is reported, we always check they are running the current version |
| 14:20:52 | JdGordon | no, www is way outdated |
| 14:21:08 | * | JdGordon thinks the server master script is private for security reasons.... |
| 14:21:11 | DerPapst | only the daily ones or evrey build? |
| 14:21:48 | obo | JdGordon: www/tools? :) |
| 14:21:57 | JdGordon | hmm... |
| 14:21:57 | alienbiker99 | what kind of 'maps' are you talking about? |
| 14:22:01 | * | JdGordon really should shutup |
| 14:23:16 | DerPapst | because afaik only the daily builds are kept 30days. not every single build that has been made in this period |
| 14:24:03 | JdGordon | ok, doesnt matter... if a bug happens, they have to use the recent build... |
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| 14:26:17 | DerPapst | well.. having the map files available without bugging the server owner is an improvement regardless if they are in the user zip or available as download on build.rockbox.org |
| 14:27:25 | DerPapst | alienbiker99: map files help you to figure out there in the code the data abort happend (in brief) |
| 14:27:37 | DerPapst | s/there/where |
| 14:29:07 | DerPapst | but as long as the build scripts aren't adapdet they should go in the userzips for now to kill these recent problems with ipods. |
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| 14:36:27 | * | obo wonders how long this local run of buildall-daily.pl will take :) |
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| 14:46:23 | amiconn | DerPapst: Hmm, is it possible to check out from this svn server? |
| 14:46:36 | amiconn | I don't get it to... |
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| 14:58:17 | DerPapst | amiconn: "svn co http://opensvn.csie.org/courtc/tools iPL" should work. but better download the 7z file from here to get a more recent source snapshot http://www.box.net/shared/3e4bi32q9s |
| 14:58:37 | amiconn | Oh, I tried svn:, not http: |
| 14:59:13 | amiconn | Works, thanks :) |
| 14:59:17 | DerPapst | np |
| 14:59:18 | DerPapst | :) |
| 14:59:29 | * | amiconn needs that for greping |
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| 15:03:40 | amiconn | Hmm, no MAX115 access code |
| 15:04:05 | amiconn | And I thought ipl was said to be stable and supported on the g1...g3 ..... |
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| 15:04:48 | DerPapst | afaik it is |
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| 15:05:16 | DerPapst | what is this chip for? |
| 15:05:24 | amiconn | Battery voltage reading |
| 15:05:35 | amiconn | (in the g1 and g2) |
| 15:05:55 | DerPapst | aha.. |
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| 15:06:29 | DerPapst | i don't know if that works on g1 and g2 in iPL |
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| 15:08:07 | amiconn | I'm now 99% sure that it doesn't work |
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| 15:12:04 | DerPapst | heh |
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| 15:42:58 | ComposerDude | Hello, I'm looking at porting TuxNES to Rockbox. How do I find rockbox-related headers for C? |
| 15:45:07 | DerPapst | ComposerDude: this might be interesting for you: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins |
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| 15:46:05 | n1s | yay, voice files work with the lang cleanup again :-) now to clean this up and post a new patch |
| 15:46:51 | ComposerDude | Thanks DerPapst. |
| 15:47:38 | DerPapst | np ;) |
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| 16:23:46 | galdor | I |
| 16:23:50 | galdor | hi |
| 16:24:04 | galdor | i've some new infos about playing music while USB is plugged |
| 16:24:21 | galdor | first, HAVE_USB_POWER isn't defined for the iAudio X5 |
| 16:24:26 | galdor | is it normal ? |
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| 16:29:18 | galdor | I read the X5 can be charged via USB, so HAVE_USB_POWER should be defined |
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| 16:38:12 | galdor | does anybody know what's is the exact purpose of USBPOWER_BUTTON ? |
| 16:39:24 | Domonoky_ | i think its for the function, to not go into usb mode.. so you can charge with usb and listen to music at the same time.. |
| 16:39:39 | galdor | Domonoky_: it's what i'm trying to do for my X5 |
| 16:39:58 | galdor | but there are two buttons: |
| 16:40:04 | galdor | USBPOWER_BTN_IGNORE and USBPOWER_BUTTON |
| 16:40:54 | Domonoky_ | i dont know the code in question, i only know that this functionallity exits :-) |
| 16:41:05 | Domonoky_ | exists.. |
| 16:41:33 | galdor | is there a possibility to cause hardware dammages trying it ? |
| 16:42:16 | Domonoky_ | i dont thinks so, is this functionallity not enabled for iaudio ? |
| 16:42:37 | galdor | I read several times that you can charge the battery with USB |
| 16:42:50 | galdor | but if not, is there a risk ? |
| 16:43:36 | galdor | my X5 is only a few days old, I wouldn't want to burn it |
| 16:43:38 | Soul-Slayer | When you plug the USB cable in on the X5, does it have Rockbox USB functionality or does it reboot? |
| 16:43:59 | galdor | when I plug it, I saw a USB plug icon displayed |
| 16:44:01 | galdor | no reboot |
| 16:44:15 | Domonoky_ | normally there is no risk.. |
| 16:44:22 | Soul-Slayer | Then there should be no risk |
| 16:44:39 | galdor | ok ok |
| 16:44:54 | Soul-Slayer | Go to Settings -> General Settings -> System -> Battery |
| 16:44:57 | galdor | so, if I find what key use for USBPOWER_BUTTON, I can make a test |
| 16:45:06 | Soul-Slayer | Tell me if theres an option called 'Charge during USB connection' |
| 16:45:07 | * | Domonoky_ wonders why it isnt enabled for iaudio, or if galdor is just pressing the wrong button while inserting.. |
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| 16:45:48 | galdor | Soul-Slayer: there is only Battery Capacity |
| 16:46:01 | Soul-Slayer | Then it sounds like USB charging isn't even implemented yet. |
| 16:46:07 | galdor | but I've the last SVN build on screen, HAVE_USB_POWER isn't defined |
| 16:46:24 | ComposerDude | What is the easiest way to contact other plugin writers? (I'm specifically thinking of Rockboy writer) |
| 16:46:33 | galdor | it's defined for iPod 4G, Sansa E200 and a few others |
| 16:46:49 | Soul-Slayer | Which really leads me to believe it's just not been written for the X5 yet |
| 16:47:25 | galdor | but there's nothing special to do, no ? |
| 16:47:26 | n1s | ComposerDude: if you want to ask questions related to rockbox this is the place |
| 16:47:46 | Soul-Slayer | Plenty, I believe the whole charging algorithm would need to be implemented to it |
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| 16:48:00 | Soul-Slayer | From the wiki: " Power handling 10%" |
| 16:48:16 | kkurbjun | amiconn, that fix for the gigabeat doesn't make sense to me |
| 16:48:27 | Domonoky_ | Soul-Slayer: charging is done in hardware.. so there should be too much code to implement.. |
| 16:48:34 | kkurbjun | regarding the iram for libmad |
| 16:48:38 | galdor | Soul-Slayer: mhhh... I practice C for years, perhaps I can help |
| 16:48:56 | ComposerDude | I'm examining porting TuxNES as a rockbox plugin. Hence the inquiry. |
| 16:48:58 | Soul-Slayer | galdor: Well, take a look at the USB charging for other ports and work from them |
| 16:49:00 | Domonoky_ | insert. not :-) |
| 16:49:37 | Soul-Slayer | Domonoky_: Perhaps not, but the fact remains code -does- need implementing, and if it hasn't been defined, and the option doesn't exist yet, I can only presume it has yet to be implemented :p |
| 16:49:49 | kkurbjun | memcpy, memmove, memset16, memset, and memswap128 functions are in the .icode section as well |
| 16:50:00 | galdor | #elif defined(USB_X5STYLE) /* TODO X5 */ |
| 16:50:01 | galdor | #else |
| 16:50:06 | n1s | ComposerDude: well, the person who originally ported rockboy (HCl) has sadly passed away, you can have a look in the svn logs to see who else worked on it |
| 16:50:08 | galdor | don't like this :s |
| 16:50:17 | Domonoky_ | Soul-Slayer: sure, some code has to be written, and probably some datasheets researched.. but its not a charging algo.. |
| 16:50:20 | kkurbjun | and there's a section for .icode, idata, etc in the linker for the gigabeat |
| 16:50:29 | kkurbjun | it just puts it in dram and not iram |
| 16:50:57 | Soul-Slayer | Domonoky_: Okay okay wrong word usage :p I was just trying to state something needs doing :p |
| 16:51:09 | Domonoky_ | thats true :-) |
| 16:52:01 | ComposerDude | Thanks nls. |
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| 16:52:38 | kkurbjun | amiconn, you can also look at the map for the gigabeat and it will show all the mem* functions in the .icode section - so the fix seems like it is only masking another problem to me |
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| 16:56:56 | webguest29 | hey, can someone help |
| 16:57:05 | DerPapst | proably not. |
| 16:57:15 | webguest29 | lol? |
| 16:57:19 | DerPapst | *probably even... |
| 16:57:25 | Soul-Slayer | webguest29: Ask your question and if someone can help they will |
| 16:57:48 | DerPapst | you haven't asked a question. so how can anyone help? my mindreader is broken atm... |
| 16:57:56 | webguest29 | nvm.. |
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| 16:58:44 | sharpe | awesome, i'm back to compiling. |
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| 16:58:52 | DerPapst | ^ what ecer :-/ |
| 16:58:56 | DerPapst | *ever |
| 16:59:02 | Soul-Slayer | DerPapst: You're scaring them off :( :p |
| 16:59:04 | * | DerPapst blames keyboard |
| 16:59:11 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 16:59:27 | ComposerDude | Aw comeon... there are the rules |
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| 16:59:53 | sharpe | should have like an automatic greeting. "for help with a problem, please ask now." |
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| 17:00:11 | Soul-Slayer | Well the topic does tell them to read the guidelines, and it's put there :p |
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| 17:00:32 | sharpe | oh well |
| 17:00:59 | DerPapst | who's read them anyways except the ones who wrote them, Soul-Slayer and me? |
| 17:01:33 | Soul-Slayer | Wow :p |
| 17:01:46 | Soul-Slayer | Ah well, they're fairly common sense |
| 17:02:16 | ComposerDude | So long as a user chooses to read them, Soul-Slayer. |
| 17:03:19 | ComposerDude | Most people these don't know what common sense is, lol |
| 17:03:31 | Soul-Slayer | Not-so-common-anymore sense :p |
| 17:04:02 | sharpe | maybe a drum machine plugin would be interesting. |
| 17:04:40 | Soul-Slayer | sharpe: I want Doom 3 on my H10, get porting please? :( |
| 17:05:05 | * | GodEater_ hopes thats a joke |
| 17:05:07 | sharpe | haha, just like it said in the forum post, just change 'wad3' to 'wad2' haha :D |
| 17:05:27 | Febs | I'd like 24 track recording on my iriver. Let me know when it's ready. |
| 17:05:36 | Febs | Oh, at 24/96, of course. |
| 17:05:37 | Febs | :) |
| 17:05:40 | DerPapst | GodEater_: we're all serious here. |
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| 17:08:53 | krazykit | Soul-Slayer, doom3? pff. i want the new crysis engine on my gigabeat. |
| 17:09:20 | sharpe | and a xbox 360 emulator, por favor. |
| 17:09:40 | ComposerDude | How about a Wii emulator! Anybody? |
| 17:09:53 | krazykit | ComposerDude, that's silly |
| 17:10:02 | krazykit | there's no accelerometers on the targets |
| 17:10:06 | sharpe | someone should port rockbox to the wii :] |
| 17:10:19 | ComposerDude | Yesir, krazykit. |
| 17:10:50 | GodEater_ | don't those new ibm laptop drives have accelerometers in ? |
| 17:10:52 | GodEater_ | ;) |
| 17:11:19 | sharpe | they're not that new of a thing in laptops, are they? |
| 17:11:35 | krazykit | GodEater_, i think someone set up his lenovo or macbook to move the slide show forward or backward depending on which side of the screen he smacked |
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| 17:12:02 | Soul-Slayer | Smacked, good choice of word :p |
| 17:14:36 | sharpe | now i remember how long it takes to build in cygwin... |
| 17:15:04 | * | krazykit is happy he doesn't build in cygwin |
| 17:15:22 | ComposerDude | Thank goodness for the rockbox vmz... and for Ubuntu double-boot. |
| 17:15:36 | sharpe | i just don't have the motivation for vmware |
| 17:16:02 | * | krazykit thinks rockbox should endorse a Free solution rather than a non-free solution. |
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| 17:16:09 | ComposerDude | Is there anything specific to VMware image that I could simply apt-get for Ubuntu? |
| 17:16:12 | krazykit | qemu is cross-platform, apparently |
| 17:16:33 | krazykit | ComposerDude, no, the vmware image is debian 4. nothing special there |
| 17:17:23 | krazykit | i haven't used it, but i'm under the impression that it's just the rockbox tools and a framebuffer and some sdl-framebuffer libs for the sim |
| 17:17:35 | krazykit | and a compiler, obviously |
| 17:17:45 | sharpe | can't forget the compiler |
| 17:17:52 | ComposerDude | Never |
| 17:18:45 | ComposerDude | My dad was an embedded systems programmer... wish he were willing to help rockbox. |
| 17:19:53 | ComposerDude | Am I right in thinking that there is little contribution in the area of chipsets etc. ? |
| 17:20:34 | Domonoky_ | ComposerDude: what do you mean ? Hardware drivers ? |
| 17:21:19 | ComposerDude | Something along those lines. |
| 17:21:19 | Domonoky_ | i think we have many very good hardware hackers in the rockbox team, otherwise we wouldnt have this many targets.. :-) |
| 17:21:40 | ComposerDude | haha, of course. |
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| 17:25:04 | ComposerDude | I think, thats exactly the reason why rockbox has had more success with newer models than say, ipodlinux as a case in point, Domonoky. |
| 17:26:49 | Domonoky_ | rockbox is much older than ipodlinux.. even older than all ipods :-) |
| 17:27:13 | * | amiconn isn't sure about the last part of that statement |
| 17:27:15 | ComposerDude | :) |
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| 17:27:36 | amiconn | The first ipods came out in 2000 afaik |
| 17:27:43 | GodEater_ | I thought it was 99 |
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| 17:27:54 | Domonoky_ | rockbox is older.. |
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| 17:28:13 | GodEater_ | both wrong, it's 2001 |
| 17:28:19 | sharpe | wikipedia says october 2001 :D |
| 17:28:21 | GodEater_ | according to wikipedia anyway |
| 17:28:27 | kkurbjun | amiconn, did you see my messages? |
| 17:29:02 | ComposerDude | Wikipedia has had a good track record the last couple of years, GodEater. |
| 17:29:06 | Domonoky_ | looks like i am wrong, if the ipods really came that early.. |
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| 17:30:30 | ComposerDude | How young is rockbox, then? I thought it was 2000 for archos dev. |
| 17:31:00 | Domonoky_ | http://www.rockbox.org/history.html |
| 17:31:27 | sharpe | nifty. |
| 17:31:51 | DerPapst | then the ipods are older |
| 17:32:01 | Domonoky_ | jeah, a few months :-) |
| 17:32:06 | DerPapst | ~ 2 month |
| 17:32:09 | ComposerDude | Only by two m |
| 17:35:19 | ComposerDude | Still, rockbox works on 5G and 5.5G pods, and the new firmware. |
| 17:35:45 | * | Domonoky_ thinks ipodlinux also works on those.. |
| 17:35:59 | GodEater_ | it does |
| 17:36:42 | GodEater_ | in fact if it wasn't for DerPapst's work with the 80GB and ipodlinux, we'd probably still not be running on it |
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| 17:37:20 | ComposerDude | Great. |
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| 17:48:13 | DerPapst | :) |
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| 18:53:18 | linuxstb | Bagder: I may just be impatient, but the build system looks stuck... |
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| 18:55:41 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: I noticed you were quite active the last days ... |
| 18:58:03 | Domonoky_ | hey bluebrother: jeah, i made some new code :-) |
| 18:58:33 | Domonoky_ | now i am trying to build a better logger.. with an interface, so we can also build a non-gui logger.. |
| 18:58:58 | Domonoky_ | with logger i mean the progress window with the list.. |
| 18:59:26 | bluebrother | I assumed that based on your comments in the wiki. |
| 18:59:37 | bluebrother | I made some small changes I'll merge tonight |
| 18:59:56 | bluebrother | (UI translation integration and some work on proxy settings) |
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| 19:00:22 | Soul-Slayer | Yeah, the build table definitely doesn't seem healthy |
| 19:00:27 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: nice.. also tell me if you have questions about my code :-) |
| 19:01:55 | bluebrother | I'll do ... btw, I already have a question: |
| 19:02:38 | Domonoky_ | :-) |
| 19:02:51 | bluebrother | in some class you declared a destructor and defined it inline in the header as empty. Why declare it at all? |
| 19:03:28 | Domonoky_ | hm.. no real purpose, just a habit.. :-) |
| 19:03:40 | bluebrother | ah. |
| 19:03:59 | bluebrother | I find it somewhat clearer to omit it in that case ... but it's not a real problem. |
| 19:04:07 | bluebrother | I was just thinking if it does make a difference ;-) |
| 19:04:14 | bluebrother | s/thinking/wondering/ |
| 19:05:05 | Domonoky_ | no difference.. |
| 19:05:22 | bluebrother | ok. Then I got the C++ book I'm reading right ;-) |
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| 19:16:36 | bluebrother | aaah :( |
| 19:17:20 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: for some reason I get dos line endings with the files you changed |
| 19:18:06 | bluebrother | is it possible that your svn client translates wrongly? |
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| 19:19:34 | bluebrother | the whole files differ :( |
| 19:19:53 | Domonoky_ | bäh.. |
| 19:20:40 | * | Domonoky_ will try to do better in the future |
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| 19:39:24 | * | bluebrother is annoyed by the warnings about the hxxxpairs arrays ... |
| 19:42:36 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: btw, I'm planning to replace the folder chooser dialog as it works a bit ... quirky |
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| 19:44:24 | PaulJam | is the build server hanging? |
| 19:44:38 | bluebrother | looks like |
| 19:45:24 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: no problem.. :-) do you want do build an folder chooser yourself, or with what do you want to replace it ? |
| 19:46:36 | bluebrother | yes ... I played with QDirModel. Looks pretty much like what I would like to have |
| 19:46:41 | * | bluebrother spots tabs :( |
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| 19:49:12 | Domonoky_ | i will now commit my logger changes :-) |
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| 20:01:23 | Domonoky_ | arg.. conflict solved, an now an new conflict.. :-/ |
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| 20:08:10 | Domonoky_ | puh, my rbutilQt code is in.. now will bluebrother get the conflicts :-) |
| 20:08:31 | bluebrother | let's see ... I'm about to commit |
| 20:09:53 | bluebrother | great, no conflict during commit :) |
| 20:10:02 | Domonoky_ | nice :-) |
| 20:10:15 | bluebrother | now to merge the proxy stuff ... |
| 20:11:47 | bluebrother | do you know how to obtain IE proxy settings on windows? |
| 20:12:10 | Domonoky_ | no.. sorry i dont know |
| 20:14:08 | bluebrother | ok. Google might know ... |
| 20:26:30 | DerPapst | linuxstb: i'm looking at the last change you made to libmad, especially the new .h file. Am i inderstanding this correctly that on pp5002 libmad is build without using iram because mpegplayer is built too? |
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| 20:26:51 | DerPapst | *understanding ;) |
| 20:39:52 | linuxstb | DerPapst: libmad is built twice from the same source - once for the normal mp3/2/1 codec and once for mpegplayer. Those functions are in IRAM for the normal mp3 codec, but not for mpegplayer. |
| 20:40:35 | DerPapst | ahhh |
| 20:40:38 | DerPapst | ok :) |
| 20:42:28 | bluebrother | build still hanging? |
| 20:42:38 | * | bluebrother looks around for Bagder |
| 20:44:19 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: another idea: how about renaming the "Quick Start" tab to "Welcome", and add some introductory text? |
| 20:44:34 | bluebrother | could be helpful if we can make such a text spoken for the blind. |
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| 20:56:15 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: would be nice.. |
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| 20:59:01 | bluebrother | hmm. Why are the values for the fwpatcher md5sums in a header file? |
| 20:59:15 | bluebrother | that creates quite some warnings ... defined but not used |
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| 21:10:46 | * | Bagder pokes |
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| 21:12:47 | bluebrother | ah. Using -O2 produces warnings on ipodpatcher ... |
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| 21:16:56 | GodEater | Bagder: do you think it's wise encouraging that zajacattack person to fiddle with their sansa in that manner ? I think the risk of brickage for him is nearly 100% |
| 21:17:50 | Bagder | not to him in particular no, but I thought I could at least inform the crowds about the idea |
| 21:17:58 | Bagder | after all, that is the R port thread |
| 21:18:30 | Bagder | I doubt very much he'll be able to run the vanilla BL in the R model anyway |
| 21:18:58 | GodEater | it's a neat plan, I just hope he doesn't try it personally |
| 21:19:07 | Bagder | haha |
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| 21:19:21 | Bagder | "my sansa doesn't start anymore, what can I do?" |
| 21:20:02 | GodEater | "you can go back and read all the places where we told you not do this to it" |
| 21:20:29 | Bagder | dejavu... |
| 21:20:58 | sharpe | well, he could always buy a new one :) |
| 21:21:02 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: the fwpatcher md5 sums are used to check if the patching of the original firmware was successfull.. |
| 21:21:02 | linuxstb | Bagder: Did you say you head an R model? |
| 21:21:02 | GodEater | not being a sansa owner myself, I'm not sure I quite followed what's going on with the e200tool line he was talking about |
| 21:21:18 | Bagder | linuxstb: no, I don't think any dev owns an R model |
| 21:21:19 | scorche | ...sharpei? |
| 21:21:30 | Bagder | GodEater: it reads and writes ram memory |
| 21:21:34 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: perhaps they could be included in another place, to generate less warnings :-) |
| 21:21:35 | GodEater | but I gather what happens is that the sansa some code into memory, and that's what e200tool is dumping - not the original location of it ? |
| 21:21:41 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: I know what's the use of those values. But shouldn't they get in a .c file and exported through a header? |
| 21:21:48 | GodEater | there should be a "copies" in there somewhere |
| 21:21:52 | Bagder | but e200tool can also start executing at a specific memory address |
| 21:21:56 | GodEater | brain ahead of fingers again |
| 21:21:59 | sharpe | scorche, yep. it's me. |
| 21:22:01 | bluebrother | at least every inclusion of irivertools.h now produces a warning |
| 21:22:04 | bluebrother | which isn't nice. |
| 21:22:09 | scorche | o_O |
| 21:22:15 | Bagder | GodEater: exactly, it just happens that the BL is "left" there |
| 21:22:16 | linuxstb | Bagder: So you could in theory load Rockbox via e200tool? |
| 21:22:20 | sharpe | weird isn't it? |
| 21:22:29 | Bagder | linuxstb: yes I believe so |
| 21:22:29 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: thats just copyed from fwpatcher.. so, sure we could change this.. |
| 21:22:40 | GodEater | linuxstb: but it wouldn't disappear as soon as you turned it off though ? |
| 21:22:46 | bluebrother | ok ... I'm currently killing a few warnings. |
| 21:22:49 | linuxstb | GodEater: Yes ;) |
| 21:22:50 | Bagder | GodEater: exactly |
| 21:23:01 | GodEater | bit of a hard way to start it then ;) |
| 21:23:04 | Domonoky_ | but the md5sum files shouldnt be changed, i think the can be generated.. |
| 21:23:11 | linuxstb | But running Rockbox could give you more debugging options. |
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| 21:23:20 | bluebrother | ipodpatcher and sansapatcher also create warnings if you build with -O2 (which is what the generated makefile does) |
| 21:23:30 | Bagder | linuxstb: it is indeed a very good idea... |
| 21:23:31 | GodEater | ever the optimist linuxstb :) |
| 21:23:42 | bluebrother | no, I only want to move the includion of those values ;-) |
| 21:24:14 | bluebrother | oh, we need 5 more commits to have only a single first name on the front page ;-) |
| 21:24:49 | Bagder | btw, I disabled ARM builds on bygg (which is why the dreaded ld disappeared now) |
| 21:24:51 | * | linuxstb changes name to Dominik |
| 21:25:06 | Bagder | zagor isn't around atm to fix it for real |
| 21:25:57 | Domonoky_ | :-) |
| 21:26:58 | bluebrother | strange. ohloh doesn't seem to like picking up my gravatar image. |
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| 21:27:27 | Bagder | bluebrother: did you make it default on gravatar? |
| 21:27:32 | Bagder | I did that mistake at first |
| 21:27:41 | bluebrother | I think so. But let me check ... |
| 21:27:50 | Bagder | (and then I learned that gmane.org also uses gravatar...!) |
| 21:28:44 | bluebrother | hmm. After logging in I see the picture two times. And next to the email address the correct image. |
| 21:30:36 | Bagder | http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.window-managers.enlightenment.devel/13770 |
| 21:30:38 | * | bluebrother thinks about sending a reminder regarding the FS week ... |
| 21:31:04 | Bagder | "how hard it would be to integrate efl libraries into rockbox" |
| 21:31:18 | Bagder | that enlightenment |
| 21:31:21 | Bagder | that's |
| 21:31:25 | scorche | ugh.. |
| 21:31:31 | bluebrother | "free linux system"? Urgh. |
| 21:32:21 | scorche | either of you 2 going to respond, or shall i? =P |
| 21:32:47 | Bagder | check the thread, someone already did |
| 21:33:12 | scorche | ah |
| 21:33:54 | bluebrother | "it's all possible - given enough code." <−− I tend to disagree. |
| 21:34:02 | Bagder | me too |
| 21:34:15 | Bagder | they seem to think that the 16MB of ram is available to the gui |
| 21:34:25 | bluebrother | a lot is possible. But not all. |
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| 21:35:04 | bluebrother | someone could "enlighten" them ;-) |
| 21:35:28 | * | scorche gets out the pun bat |
| 21:35:38 | bluebrother | hehe |
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| 21:38:45 | GodEater | rasterman might not be entirely wrong - he *did* intend efl as an embedded library too, *however* I think once someone spent all that time getting it working, the cpu / memory left over would leave little for rockbox's original purpose |
| 21:38:58 | GodEater | so making it pointless |
| 21:39:06 | GodEater | so possible yes, worth it, no |
| 21:39:18 | scorche | enlightenment has always been pointless =) |
| 21:39:18 | Bagder | right, and I would guess that efl has grown since the day he used 16mb machines for it |
| 21:39:23 | bluebrother | well, just use your dap for graphics demos ;-) |
| 21:39:32 | * | GodEater disagrees since he uses it as his primary WM |
| 21:39:42 | scorche | GodEater: shame on you |
| 21:39:46 | GodEater | Bagder: he never ran efl on 16mb machines |
| 21:39:50 | * | bluebrother used enlightenment some years ago for a while |
| 21:39:53 | GodEater | efl only arrived with version 0.17 |
| 21:39:53 | Bagder | well, 32mb then |
| 21:40:08 | Bagder | or perhaps I should read closer |
| 21:40:12 | GodEater | he's run it on mobile phones |
| 21:40:21 | bluebrother | upgrade to an 64MiB Ipod :) |
| 21:40:22 | Bagder | mobile phones have heaps |
| 21:40:27 | GodEater | there's a screenshot on his site somewhere |
| 21:40:39 | Bagder | they do run java after all |
| 21:40:41 | * | scorche is of the opinion that enlightenment is for those who are facinated by a shiny penny on the ground |
| 21:40:44 | GodEater | indeed |
| 21:40:52 | * | scorche thinks he has degenerated into trolling |
| 21:40:55 | Soul-Slayer | Shiny...? |
| 21:41:01 | Soul-Slayer | Ooh. |
| 21:41:16 | GodEater | scorche is entitled to his opinion, but mine is that is that it's nothing like as shiny as Beryl /compiz |
| 21:41:38 | scorche | wobbly windows is a must-have |
| 21:41:43 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 21:41:48 | Soul-Slayer | Shhh, someone might want Beryl ported to Rockbox also |
| 21:41:49 | * | linuxstb reads a decent Rockbox magazine article - http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,134953-c,mp3players/article.html |
| 21:42:05 | bluebrother | this vacuum cleaner window minimizing effect is cool |
| 21:42:30 | GodEater | linuxstb: Our apologies for the inconvenience, but the page you requested cannot be found. |
| 21:42:31 | bluebrother | useless, but cool. |
| 21:42:45 | bluebrother | GodEater: works fine here. |
| 21:42:48 | Soul-Slayer | Works for me ;$ |
| 21:43:17 | * | GodEater curses XChat's firefox integration |
| 21:44:52 | | Join batraxaki [0] (n=batraxak@athedsl-122358.home.otenet.gr) |
| 21:45:08 | batraxaki | hey, can i ask something? |
| 21:45:28 | bluebrother | you already asked something |
| 21:45:30 | Soul-Slayer | Ooh ouch, I don't like the way he linked up 'Download the latest version' directly to the build table... Thats how people end up coming here wondering what to do |
| 21:45:39 | bluebrother | so, if you dare to ask your question you might ask ;-) |
| 21:46:25 | DerPapst | batraxaki: no. you aren't allowed to ask anythin until you read the IRC Guidelines linked in the topic |
| 21:46:33 | DerPapst | :P |
| 21:46:39 | scorche | eek...he linked to the wps gallery in the wiki...oh well.. |
| 21:46:40 | * | bluebrother would prefert the text to write "you begin by downloading the manual, then the current build" |
| 21:46:52 | batraxaki | hehe |
| 21:48:09 | batraxaki | well, i have a problem with rockbox. i've installed it, so far ok. But now, i don't know i cannot watch any video |
| 21:48:16 | linuxstb | scorche: Well, that's the official place for themes... (unless I missed your launch) |
| 21:48:32 | GodEater | yeah, I must have missed that too |
| 21:48:50 | bluebrother | I'd rather link to the WpsGallery page instead of the page for a specific player |
| 21:49:07 | Soul-Slayer | "'Ugly' doesn't really do justice to Rockbox's default, lowest-common-denominator theme." |
| 21:49:18 | Soul-Slayer | So uhm, don't use it. |
| 21:49:44 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: I think that's a pretty accurate description of the default theme on the 5g... |
| 21:49:56 | scorche | linuxstb: yes, but it is kind of depressing how quickly things written in articles becomes obsolete...then again the depressing part depends on how you look at it |
| 21:50:12 | Soul-Slayer | batraxaki: That doesn't explain your problem, does it not show video at all? Crash? Out of sync? Clipped? |
| 21:50:26 | bluebrother | and what type of video? |
| 21:50:38 | bluebrother | have you checked http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer? |
| 21:51:16 | batraxaki | bluebrother yes, i've already checked this |
| 21:51:18 | batraxaki | nothing |
| 21:51:32 | Soul-Slayer | What seems to be the problem then? |
| 21:51:36 | GodEater | is anyone going to make an "official" response to the article ? |
| 21:51:45 | bluebrother | but it starts the plugin when you click on a video file? |
| 21:52:05 | linuxstb | batraxaki: What program did you use to convert the video to the format Rockbox needs? |
| 21:53:25 | batraxaki | linuxstb does rockbox need a specific format? |
| 21:53:37 | linuxstb | Did you read the page bluebrother linked you to? |
| 21:53:48 | scorche | batraxaki: i thought you said you already read that page.. |
| 21:53:53 | GodEater | batraxaki: if you read the page you claimed you'd read - you'd know that |
| 21:53:58 | Soul-Slayer | Wow. |
| 21:55:50 | batraxaki | so, rockbox only support s rvf? |
| 21:56:00 | linuxstb | Is that what the page says? |
| 21:56:06 | batraxaki | no |
| 21:56:16 | batraxaki | im so sorry, but im confused |
| 21:56:22 | linuxstb | "It is currently capable of playing back MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 video streams with MPEG audio multiplexed into .mpg files (MPEG Program Stream)." |
| 21:56:23 | Soul-Slayer | "It is currently capable of playing back MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 video streams with MPEG audio multiplexed into .mpg files (MPEG Program Stream)." |
| 21:56:27 | Soul-Slayer | Snap. |
| 21:56:28 | linuxstb | ;) |
| 21:56:30 | Soul-Slayer | :p |
| 21:56:33 | Bagder | /echo off |
| 21:56:37 | Soul-Slayer | Lol |
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| 21:57:57 | linuxstb | batraxaki: What type of player (ipod, iriver, sansa etc) are you running Rockbox on? |
| 21:58:11 | batraxaki | ipod 5g |
| 21:58:17 | batraxaki | :\ |
| 21:58:31 | linuxstb | Then forget Rockbox for videos - stick with Apple's firmware. |
| 21:58:56 | batraxaki | why? |
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| 21:59:08 | Soul-Slayer | Because Rockbox doesn't use the video processor in the Ipod5g, unlike the OF |
| 21:59:13 | boxrock | after an upgrade today, my Toshiba F40 is stuck on 'rockbox loaded' at boot, can anybody point me to a corrective action please? |
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| 21:59:19 | Soul-Slayer | It's all CPU based |
| 21:59:20 | linuxstb | batraxaki: I hate to keep saying this but that wiki page tells you why... |
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| 21:59:37 | linuxstb | (the NOTE: in the Introduction) |
| 21:59:40 | Soul-Slayer | boxrock: When did you update? |
| 21:59:45 | boxrock | today |
| 21:59:58 | Soul-Slayer | Are we talking hours ago or minutes ago? |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:08 | boxrock | also tried a 20070727 relaease |
| 22:00:16 | linuxstb | boxrock: When was the last time you updated (before today) ? |
| 22:00:19 | Soul-Slayer | Shouldn't be a problem with that one. |
| 22:00:32 | boxrock | months ago maybe |
| 22:00:43 | GodEater | boxrock: then you probably need a new bootloader |
| 22:01:30 | linuxstb | You need to enter bootloader USB mode. With the old bootloaders, this means holding MENU (I think) as your gigabeat boots. So turn the battery switch off, then on, then hold MENU. |
| 22:01:41 | batraxaki | thank you all anyway. so, unfortunately there is no solution... :/ |
| 22:01:56 | Soul-Slayer | batraxaki: You never told us the problem |
| 22:02:00 | Soul-Slayer | Just that it didn't work |
| 22:02:20 | scorche | Soul-Slayer: from the sound of it, he didnt format the videos for rockbox |
| 22:02:27 | Soul-Slayer | Ah. |
| 22:02:32 | bluebrother | ... and there is a way to make it work (use the OF) |
| 22:02:41 | Soul-Slayer | Indeed. |
| 22:02:50 | Soul-Slayer | Flip the hold switch to 'On' as the iPod boots. |
| 22:03:00 | Soul-Slayer | Videos will work, I'm sure |
| 22:03:37 | Soul-Slayer | Aslong as you remember to turn hold off again :p |
| 22:05:25 | GodEater | Bagder: you sansa genius is back in the thread again... |
| 22:05:30 | GodEater | s/you/sour |
| 22:05:33 | GodEater | bah |
| 22:05:39 | Bagder | yeps, me responds |
| 22:05:46 | GodEater | how the hell did I mistype a y with an s |
| 22:07:56 | * | scorche wonders why there seem to be a lot of people who think "brainstorming" will help... |
| 22:08:13 | sharpe | scorche: so that they can tell someone else what to do? |
| 22:08:24 | GodEater | "raking up ideas that other people who are cleverer than me had ages ago will work a miracle somehow" |
| 22:08:33 | batraxaki | Soul-Slayer i have an ipod 5g and im trying to watch some videos. The same videos that i used to watch when i did not install rockbox. Then, i find out that rockbox needs a specific format (rvf right?) so i read the manual to convert my videos but i cannot do that. that's my problem :\ |
| 22:08:43 | scorche | sharpe: i dont think you are following.. |
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| 22:09:02 | GodEater | batraxaki: nowhere does it say on the mpegplayplugin page that you need rvf formatted videos |
| 22:09:03 | bluebrother | batraxaki: it's mpeg, and there are instructions on the wiki page |
| 22:09:07 | sharpe | batraxaki, that's an old format for the archoses i believe; you're looking for m2v |
| 22:09:20 | GodEater | sharpe: even m2v is too old |
| 22:09:35 | scorche | sharpe: as i said before, catch up a bit before giving advice =) |
| 22:09:39 | sharpe | eh, closer than rvf though :] |
| 22:09:51 | GodEater | about 7 months out of date still though |
| 22:10:27 | linuxstb | batraxaki: Trust me (I wrote a lot of mpegplayer...) use Apple's firmware to watch videos. You can still run Apple's firmware even though you've installed Rockbox. |
| 22:11:03 | batraxaki | linuxstb how? |
| 22:11:07 | boxrock | new bootloader did it, thanks all!!! |
| 22:11:17 | sharpe | maybe i just thought m2v was a container format. dunno why... |
| 22:11:39 | GodEater | boxrock: good to hear it ;) |
| 22:11:41 | linuxstb | batraxaki: Turn off your ipod (hold PLAY for a few seconds). Then turn it on by pressing SELECT or MENU, and immediately turn on the hold switch. |
| 22:12:41 | linuxstb | And to switch back to Rockbox, hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds to reset - Rockbox will then load. |
| 22:13:59 | linuxstb | boxrock: Keep an eye on this page - it tells you the important changes to Rockbox, including when new bootloaders are required - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
| 22:14:20 | sharpe | well, the procedure for booting rockbox on the ipods hasn't changed much at least. haha... |
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| 22:15:19 | * | scorche wonders how the booting would change |
| 22:15:44 | bluebrother | ask the user for a magic word, then boot :P |
| 22:15:45 | batraxaki | linuxstb thanks a lot. so, when i want to see a video i use Apple's firmware and when i want anything else i use rockbox... |
| 22:15:52 | batraxaki | yeah, sounds fair |
| 22:15:54 | batraxaki | :P |
| 22:18:50 | Soul-Slayer | Is anyone looking into the patch to flash the Gigabeat? |
| 22:20:35 | Soul-Slayer | I guess that clears that one up then/. |
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| 22:23:05 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: The "Gigabeat Flashwriter - DO NOT USE" patch? ;) |
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| 22:23:38 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 22:23:49 | Soul-Slayer | Yes, him ^^. I believe it was put there so other people could work on it while he was away, ergo I believed people may look into it :p |
| 22:25:10 | bluebrother | hmm. gcc finds some interesting issues in ipodpatcher ... |
| 22:25:11 | linuxstb | Given it's very early state, I doubt anyone else will investigate. afaik, kkurbjun is the only dev with a jtag interface attached to his gigabeat. |
| 22:25:28 | Soul-Slayer | Ah okay. |
| 22:25:32 | linuxstb | bluebrother: e.g.? Do you want to post a log? |
| 22:26:08 | Soul-Slayer | The 'hold down power button for 2+ seconds to power on' feature of the Gigabeat... Is that hardware or flash loader based? |
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| 22:27:13 | bluebrother | linuxstb: http://www.pastebin.ca/638418 |
| 22:27:41 | bluebrother | the first part is with adding -O2 to the ipodpatcher Makefile, the second is the output when building with rbutilqt |
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| 22:28:05 | bluebrother | and qmake adds -O2. Haven't checked the other options |
| 22:28:30 | bluebrother | I could easily disable the use of -O2, but I think it's better to adjust ipodpatcher ;-) |
| 22:29:27 | linuxstb | I assume you don't get the first set of warnings when compiling ipodpatcher without -O2 ? |
| 22:30:03 | bluebrother | without -O2 there are no warnings. |
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| 22:31:27 | linuxstb | The message regarding "type" isn't helpful - i.e. where does it think it's being used uninitialised? |
| 22:31:38 | bluebrother | and is it intended that ipod_read returns the result of read, which is ssize_t as an int? |
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| 22:32:55 | linuxstb | No, that should be cleaned. |
| 22:33:10 | bluebrother | I guess that happens because type is used from within an if clause |
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| 22:34:01 | bluebrother | and it's used similarly later on. |
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| 22:44:02 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I've committed a few fixes to ipodpatcher.c I'm investigating the others. |
| 22:44:25 | linuxstb | I'm confused about when -O2 is generating different warnings though... |
| 22:44:31 | linuxstb | s/when/why/ |
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| 22:45:06 | bluebrother | I could imagine that this happens because some parts will be removed during optimization. |
| 22:45:40 | linuxstb | But that means gcc is breaking things... |
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| 22:45:53 | bluebrother | like ipodpatcher.c:296, where if(n < 0) doesn't make sense as n is unsigned. |
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| 22:46:13 | bluebrother | but if you don't optimize it's just a superfluous if clause ... |
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| 22:46:54 | linuxstb | But that example isn't happening with a straight -O2 make - it's happening for your rbutilqt build. |
| 22:47:53 | linuxstb | I guess I should add the same warnings in the ipodpatcher makefile that you're using in rbutilqt. |
| 22:48:35 | bluebrother | well, qmake added those ;-) |
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| 22:49:42 | linuxstb | BTW, have you modified ipodpatcher.c locally? Those warnings don't match my version. |
| 22:50:51 | bluebrother | well, I did some keyword swapping to remove more warnings |
| 22:50:55 | * | amiconn notices that backlight inversion also needs the contrast setting inverted |
| 22:51:00 | bluebrother | like this: |
| 22:51:02 | bluebrother | ../ipodpatcher/ipodpatcher.c:107: warning: ‘static’ is not at beginning of declaration |
| 22:51:20 | bluebrother | but that's all |
| 22:51:35 | linuxstb | Yes, I've just compiled ipodpatcher.c with your gcc command, and got all those warnings. |
| 22:51:40 | amiconn | But the good thing is that I was listening to music on my 2nd gen for several hours today, and didn't get a single crash |
| 22:52:08 | DerPapst | amiconn: nice :) good work i'd say then |
| 22:52:26 | amiconn | Btw, it seems that the PP chips have a _builtin_ rtc |
| 22:52:39 | bluebrother | dang. Out of disk space on my virtual machine :( |
| 22:53:20 | amiconn | It's of little use in the later ipods, because (1) the PCF powers off the PP, and hence its RTC would lose track and (2) the PCF has an RTC too |
| 22:53:26 | DerPapst | amiconn: rtc or clock? because if it would be an rtc i wonder why apple didn't use it |
| 22:53:37 | amiconn | rtc |
| 22:53:39 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I'll fix those. They shouldn't have moved lines around though. |
| 22:53:41 | amiconn | Apple did use it |
| 22:53:46 | DerPapst | ah |
| 22:53:52 | amiconn | The 2nd gen does have a time display |
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| 22:54:19 | DerPapst | that probably explains why the clock is always resetted when reseting the ipod |
| 22:54:20 | amiconn | It's just that the Menu+Play reset resets the PP _completely_, i.e. including the rtc |
| 22:54:34 | * | DerPapst was faster this time :D |
| 22:54:49 | amiconn | But sleep mode doesn't stop it working, and the PP is _never_ powered off in the 1st and 2nd gen |
| 22:55:26 | barrywardell | the sansa uses the built in rtc for its clock |
| 22:55:45 | bluebrother | linuxstb: great :) |
| 22:55:58 | amiconn | Btw, the diskmode\0 hotstuff\0 reboot should definitely work on the 3rd gen (spotted the respective strings in the 3rd gen firmware) |
| 22:56:02 | DerPapst | but amyways... settin the clock new everytime doesn't sound like hours of fun... |
| 22:56:23 | amiconn | ipl only uses that trick on 4th gen and up |
| 22:56:53 | barrywardell | or, maybe it's built into the as3514. my mistake |
| 22:56:56 | amiconn | The 1st/2nd gen firmware only has the 'hotstuff\0' string, but not 'diskmode\0' |
| 22:57:09 | DerPapst | what is hotstuff? |
| 22:57:16 | DerPapst | power off? |
| 22:57:53 | amiconn | All these strings are in-ram markers for the flash loader |
| 22:58:08 | amiconn | YOu set both strings when you want to rboot into diskmode |
| 22:58:24 | * | amiconn wonders why DerPapst doesn't know that since it's a long known ipl "trcik" |
| 22:58:48 | DerPapst | i know this is possible but i didn't know how it works ;) |
| 22:59:04 | DerPapst | you know.. the kernelsource is kinda scary :P |
| 22:59:13 | amiconn | Perhaps the PP 'rtc' is in fact not hardware but software |
| 22:59:41 | amiconn | Since it's never powered off, this would work. It's just running at 32kHz instead of multiple MHz's |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:16 | * | DerPapst wonders how good playback would be on 32kHz... |
| 23:02:51 | bluebrother | ... interesting? ;-) |
| 23:03:22 | amiconn | About 4 samples per second? |
| 23:03:51 | DerPapst | good enough for me i'd say</bad_joke> |
| 23:04:46 | amiconn | Bah, I mean 40 |
| 23:05:02 | amiconn | But now, back to assembly listings... |
| 23:05:06 | DerPapst | even better :D |
| 23:05:15 | * | amiconn _has_ to find out how this adc is controlled :\ |
| 23:05:16 | DerPapst | have fun :) |
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| 23:08:58 | Bagder | for our polish audience, a new article about rockbox => http://www.pcworld.pl/news/116875_3.html |
| 23:09:14 | Bagder | (oops, that was page 3, but you get it...) |
| 23:09:38 | Soul-Slayer | I can admire the perdy pictures. |
| 23:09:50 | sharpe | what? pictures? |
| 23:10:06 | * | bluebrother just send a reminder about the FS week to the MLs. |
| 23:10:35 | sharpe | now if i could only read polish. |
| 23:10:50 | Soul-Slayer | Thats what the pictures are for :D |
| 23:11:00 | sharpe | haha, good point |
| 23:11:26 | sharpe | i can read spanish though in an okay manner... i wonder if there are any spanish articles on rockbox... |
| 23:11:51 | * | DerPapst needs a lot sleep to be somewhat useful next day and has to get up early. |
| 23:11:53 | linuxstb | Bagder: I see they couldn't translate Crossfeed... |
| 23:12:02 | Bagder | sharpe: http://bitelia.com/2006/07/28/firmware-gpl-para-reproductores-mp3/ |
| 23:12:02 | DerPapst | Good night everyone :) |
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| 23:12:25 | sharpe | Bagder: thanks :D |
| 23:12:32 | Bagder | (reads the referer list from the web stats) |
| 23:12:38 | * | Bagder adds a /me |
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| 23:14:19 | sharpe | i figure i should just, stop typing for a while. maybe i'll pick up on new things. |
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| 23:19:23 | linuxstb | bluebrother: How's it looking now? |
| 23:21:08 | Bagder | n1s: I have my automated voice script prepared |
| 23:22:20 | Bagder | see http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/voices/ for a few samples |
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| 23:26:48 | webguest20 | any channel staff that can help me with a ipod problem pls msg me |
| 23:27:01 | Soul-Slayer | Just tell us your problem. |
| 23:27:03 | bluebrother | linuxstb: much better. See here: http://www.pastebin.ca/638482 |
| 23:27:23 | webguest20 | how can i edit the size of the search text so i can actually read it? |
| 23:27:39 | bluebrother | size of the search text? |
| 23:27:45 | Soul-Slayer | Ehm.. Use a larger font? |
| 23:27:47 | bluebrother | are you referring to the text input? |
| 23:27:57 | webguest20 | yeah |
| 23:28:05 | bluebrother | you need to load a custom keyboard for the user font to get used in the vkeyboard |
| 23:28:26 | webguest20 | how do u do that? |
| 23:28:48 | webguest20 | do you have a dl link or tut or sumting? |
| 23:28:59 | bluebrother | we have a really nice manual |
| 23:29:05 | Soul-Slayer | And a wiki :D |
| 23:29:16 | bluebrother | no tut or sumting needed. |
| 23:29:21 | Bagder | and we write english words! |
| 23:29:30 | webguest20 | shut up badger |
| 23:29:38 | Soul-Slayer | Oooooh pwned. |
| 23:29:41 | bluebrother | na, wi writ würds. |
| 23:29:42 | Bagder | but we can't spell nicks! |
| 23:29:45 | webguest20 | :0 |
| 23:29:58 | bluebrother | no, as we don't know about tab-completion :P |
| 23:30:15 | webguest20 | Sorry I am just eager to solve this problem, understand? |
| 23:30:35 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I see you've now slipped some sansapatcher warnings in there... ;) |
| 23:30:47 | bluebrother | yeah ;-) |
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| 23:31:11 | webguest20 | so if i download a virtual keyboard the search artist text will be different? |
| 23:31:14 | bluebrother | I want to make rbutil compile (at least almost) warning-free |
| 23:31:26 | Soul-Slayer | webguest20: Are you saying that all the text on your ipod is too small? |
| 23:31:31 | bluebrother | as I said, if you load a custom vkeyboard the user font will be used. |
| 23:31:40 | webguest20 | no, just when i want to seach an artist |
| 23:32:28 | webguest20 | if it helps im using the evilg fusion build.. |
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| 23:33:16 | webguest20 | bluebrother how do i load a custom keyboard? |
| 23:33:28 | bluebrother | *meep* |
| 23:33:39 | bluebrother | EvilG build is called "unsupported" for a reason |
| 23:34:00 | linuxchuck | *bork bork* |
| 23:34:02 | sharpe | i knew the thing about unsupported builds were still true :-D |
| 23:34:03 | bluebrother | besides, we told you where to look. Additionally, now a link: http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 23:34:13 | webguest20 | yeah i now :( but i wanted the AA feature |
| 23:34:35 | linuxchuck | sorry... IRC tourettes |
| 23:34:42 | linuxstb | bluebrother: OK, ipodpatcher should now be warning-free. |
| 23:34:51 | webguest20 | thank you bluebrother |
| 23:35:35 | Soul-Slayer | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LoadableKeyboardLayouts How to make your own keyboard layout |
| 23:37:26 | webguest20 | soul, can i copy that file at the bottom to my iPod then open it in file browser to use a keyboard? |
| 23:38:02 | bluebrother | linuxstb: great, thanks. |
| 23:38:41 | Soul-Slayer | If you want a bizarre keyboard layout, sure. Otherwise, you can just open notepad, set up the keyboard however you like, and save it as 'something.kbd' in UTF-8 encoding |
| 23:38:59 | Soul-Slayer | Then open it on your ipod and use it. |
| 23:39:22 | bluebrother | if the keyboard file is stored in /.rockbox/kbd it will get remembered upon next boot |
| 23:39:32 | Soul-Slayer | Tada |
| 23:39:41 | Soul-Slayer | Automation to top it all off |
| 23:39:52 | webguest20 | awsome, ill give it a try thx |
| 23:40:25 | bluebrother | or was is /.rockbox/keyboards/ |
| 23:40:30 | bluebrother | well, the wiki knows. |
| 23:40:37 | * | linuxchuck wonders if there is an opening for an "RTFM cluebat implementation specialist" on the dev team. |
| 23:40:59 | Soul-Slayer | Actualy, it's just the .rockbox folder :p |
| 23:41:38 | webguest20 | not ".rockbox/kbd"? |
| 23:42:04 | Soul-Slayer | Just .rockbox |
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| 23:42:42 | webguest20 | ok thx |
| 23:43:52 | sharpe | linuxchuck: i'm sure that might be able to fall under 'rockbox expert' on the forums |
| 23:44:33 | linuxchuck | ugh, steep qualifications... oh well... :-p |
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| 23:47:20 | linuxstb | bluebrother: First attempt at sansapatcher fixes committed. Hopefully I've got them all. |
| 23:47:46 | webguest20 | ok im back, it didnt work.. :( |
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| 23:50:35 | bluebrother | linuxstb: haven't spotted any more warnings |
| 23:50:58 | Soul-Slayer | webguest20: Tell me what you did step by step |
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| 23:51:06 | linuxstb | bluebrother: So I can stop cluttering up the front page of the website with commits now? |
| 23:51:25 | Soul-Slayer | Wow, you have too :p |
| 23:51:45 | * | linuxstb only had 6 more to go... |
| 23:51:57 | Soul-Slayer | A true achievement |
| 23:52:01 | Bagder | the Dominiks almost had it for a while there, but now the Dave is coming strong! |
| 23:52:09 | webguest20 | oh sry soul just got it working, i accidentally had it as "keyboard.kbd.txt" |
| 23:52:15 | bluebrother | damn. Need to make a commit. |
| 23:52:28 | webguest20 | i got it working now, thanks again |
| 23:52:34 | linuxstb | And Allesio prevented it being a clean sweep by the Ds. |
| 23:52:56 | linuxstb | ^Alessio |
| 23:52:57 | * | bluebrother starts with a clean weep :'-( |
| 23:53:04 | Soul-Slayer | But everyones contributed to turning the build table into a christmas tree, so it's fine |
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| 23:54:33 | linuxstb | What do people think about only having main Rockbox commits on the front page? i.e. files that trigger a rebuild? |
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| 23:55:11 | bluebrother | I like the table to easily read diffs |
| 23:55:19 | bluebrother | but it could get moved to a different page. |
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| 23:56:07 | pixelma | I also like to see the other commits easily (remotely when not near something where I can download SVN) |
| 23:56:33 | linuxstb | I'm just thinking that they're perhaps less useful for users trying to follow changes to the firmware. |
| 23:56:45 | linuxstb | (and devs...) |
| 23:57:13 | linuxstb | But it's probably just an unusually active few days with rbutilqt. |
| 23:57:29 | Soul-Slayer | linuxstb: Is that not what http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=MajorChanges is for really? |
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