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#rockbox log for 2007-07-29

00:01:26gxtiamiconn: 14003 works, so that's a good starting point
00:03:54gxtiamiconn: good guess.
00:03:59gxti14004 blows up :P
00:04:02amiconnIt's not a guess...
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00:05:01amiconnLlorean asked users with nanos showing that problem to test some builds.
00:05:23amiconnThere are still 2 possibilities why this change might cause problems
00:05:23BigMacHey, can someone advise me how to permanently add something to my path in ubuntu?
00:05:58linuxstbAdd it to .bashrc in your home directory.
00:06:14linuxstb(assuming you're running bash)
00:06:23BigMacYes, I am, thank you
00:07:06BigMacand I have to add the line like PATH='path' right
00:07:49linuxstbexport PATH=$PATH:/new/path
00:09:01*linuxstb sleeps
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00:16:29amiconngxti: Do you want to test a patch?
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00:24:51DerPapstamiconn: have downloaded the nano aupd images from the link i gave you?
00:25:13DerPapstdon't want them?
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00:29:26amiconnLink does not werk
00:29:42DerPapsthave to restart webserver... ;)
00:30:01DerPapstshould be working now
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00:31:32amiconnGot them, tnx
00:31:40DerPapstok :)
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00:39:00gxtiamiconn: sure">
00:40:34amiconnIf that one works, I'll make another one
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00:45:25gxtiamiconn: doesn't appear to work
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00:53:04brent0ni was there any way to view .jpgs on the rockbox?
00:53:49doc|homeyup, just open them in the file selector
00:54:08brent0nhm. the latest version will do that?
00:54:12doc|homeshould do
00:54:24brent0ni have a folder with pictures in it, but they don't appear in the list
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00:55:53Soul-Slayerbrent0n: Which player do you have?
00:56:10brent0nnevermind. :P i was just being a noob.
00:56:18Soul-SlayerAlright :p
00:56:39brent0ngeneral settings | files | show music/supported/all
00:57:08Soul-SlayerYep, was going to tell you the shortcut key to get there but you seem to have found it, in future though you can hold down the Menu button
00:57:17brent0noh, nice!
00:57:28Soul-SlayerPress the down key to scroll through those options, also there is shuffle and repeat
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01:18:40aarongoltzI'm trying to figure out why my 5G Ipod keeps freezing briefly after playing files
01:18:55aarongoltzAnd was hoping there might be someone here who had some ideas
01:19:18DerPapsti assume yoou are running the latest bootloader and the latest revision of rockbox?
01:19:30aarongoltzYeah, 1.1, and the latest Rockbox
01:19:38aarongoltzIt was running fine two days ago using some older firmware
01:20:02aarongoltzIt will play a file for around 8 seconds, then give me a Prefetch, Data, or Instruction error
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01:21:54DerPapstmhh... i don't see any 5G or PP502X related commits the last two days...
01:22:50aarongoltzWell I've got a post on the forum and I'll see if anyone has experienced anything similiar
01:23:04aarongoltzIt seems to play files fine when I stream them from the Ipod to the computer in disk mode
01:23:10aarongoltzSo I feel like my HD isn't corrupted
01:23:14DerPapsthave you used mp3 only or other formats too?
01:23:29aarongoltzI did have Best Buy replace my logic board months back, and maybe there is something funky going on with it
01:23:36aarongoltzI have tried mp3 and Flac
01:23:58DerPapstbecause there have been changes made to mp3...
01:24:47DerPapstif you get a data abourt next time yould you please post the hexadecimal number in the top left corner next time?
01:25:06DerPapstalso with the exact revision you are running
01:25:44DerPapst(or how ever it is spelled)
01:28:32aarongoltzI can do that, except it seems like it is usually somethign different every time
01:29:44aarongoltzI've got to run to dinner. I'll have to give it some time to see if any power users have any ideas
01:29:56aarongoltzThanks for the help DerPapst
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01:32:23DerPapstaarongoltz: probably not.
01:32:58DerPapstThe only temporary way to fix that would be reverting to the older rockbox version.
01:33:54DerPapstthe hexnumber can be used to find out where exactly in the code the issue is.
01:34:25*DerPapst wonders if the .map file shoudl be included in the
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01:35:51DerPapstso the user could the map file without having to wait for the buildserver-owner to get that file...
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01:42:40DerPapstany official thought about that?
01:45:32DerPapstare .map files generated on all platforms?
01:47:03*amiconn is listening to mp3 on the 2ng gen with irq driven wheel driver and cpu clock scaling :D
01:47:38*DerPapst wonders if amiconns "Yes" was related to his question or to "woot" :P
01:47:41amiconnAs I suspected, the ipl cpu clock setup doesn't really reflect what the OF does
01:47:42DerPapstnice work!
01:47:45gxtiamiconn: that patch didn't work, btw
01:47:52amiconngxti: Yes, saw that
01:47:58*gxti pees in amiconn's corn flakes
01:48:04amiconnI'll have to think about it a bit more
01:48:15gxtilet's see if reversing 14004 on top of trunk works...
01:49:16amiconnDerPapst: Btw, would you like to try a patch on the 3rd gen?
01:49:28DerPapstbuildzip is making my head hurt :-/
01:49:31gxtidoesn't look like playing music works :|
01:49:52amiconnShould have the same effect as on 2nd gen - snappy wheel and nicely working playback
01:49:52gxtialthough it's better than it used to be... before it locked the entire ipod, now it just gives up after a few seconds
01:50:13*gxti tries a mp3
01:50:44amiconnBoost ratio with mp3 is rather decent with the latest mp3 optimisation :)
01:51:37DerPapstamiconn: nice :D
01:51:41gxtiflashes the 'no codec for [something something]' box sporadically, after about 10 seconds i get 'Data abort at 4000132C'
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01:57:53DerPapstamiconn: is generated on all targets?
01:58:18*amiconn has a deja vu
01:58:41DerPapstwhat do you think of including it into rockbox.tip (inside .rockbox)
01:59:18amiconnNot sure... it might confuse users (a la 'whats this?')
01:59:38DerPapsti bet most users don't care about the files in .rockbox
01:59:41amiconnBut I would like to have the maps available somewhere
01:59:48DerPapstas long as their themes are working :P
01:59:55amiconnThe thing is that there isn't just one .map
01:59:57gxtisigh... so in the past 24 hours i've not managed to play a single file
02:00:07amiconnEach codec and each plugin also has a .map
02:00:38*gxti should just start picking old nightlies at random until one works
02:00:39DerPapstamiconn: i know.... but is the most important one.
02:01:30amiconnIt seems that I can't make the 2nd gen freeze with my changes, even when trying weird things :) running a plugin that uses the grayscale lib
02:02:02DerPapstwich one?
02:02:03amiconnThat just makes the music skip because the grayscale lib drains too much cpu power
02:02:25DerPapstwill try that too
02:02:26amiconnIt's a bit tricky to quit the plugin because it also becomes really slow
02:03:19*DerPapst wonders why make rebulds the entire rockbox....
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02:03:30amiconnPlease check whether all buttons and the wheel work as they should, and whether hold works (the biggest difference between G1/G2 and G3)
02:03:45amiconnDerPapst: It changes a rather central .h file
02:04:28DerPapstmake > me :P
02:05:13amiconnOne the G1..G3 we can do disk poweroff it seems
02:06:03DerPapstohh nice... battery runtime++ :)
02:06:36amiconnI think we can also figure out cpu sleep mode
02:06:48amiconnIt seems rather simple compared to PP5020+
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02:07:14amiconnSo that somewhat compares for the lack of shutdown
02:07:38DerPapstbuilding zip...
02:07:43DerPapstdone :)
02:07:46amiconnWe can even make it appear to do a standard shutdown... by just issuing a reset after waking up again
02:11:46DerPapstmusicplayback works...
02:11:58amiconnButtons and wheel?
02:12:21DerPapstscrolling is... as bad (or even a bit worse) than before
02:12:38DerPapstno.. it is different.
02:13:00amiconnIt should be way faster, and no stop working when moving the finger fast
02:13:01DerPapstwhen scrolling slowly it scrolls a lot better than before.
02:13:17DerPapstbut at a certain speed it simply stops scrolling at all
02:13:40DerPapsthold works
02:13:55amiconnHmm, I think I know why....
02:14:06DerPapstmandelbrot too :D
02:14:24amiconnMaybe it's the same problem as the mini g1
02:14:46DerPapstmenu+play to quit mandelbrot?
02:14:55amiconnNo, Select+Menu
02:15:05amiconnCould you edit firmware/target/arm/ipod/button-1g-3g.c line 112?
02:15:15amiconnJust remove it or comment it, then rebuild?
02:15:27amiconn(the udelay)
02:15:52amiconnThis should keep the wheel working when scrolling fast
02:15:57DerPapstok. done
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02:16:13amiconnPlease check whether Hold still behaves properly
02:16:37gxtiif i wanted to buy a player that actually works well with rockbox, what should i get?
02:16:51AceNikhey uys im new to VMware can you please help me setup, ive installed the debian pack, & double clicked rockbox, how do i get my sourcelike whr do i extratc it ?
02:17:30DerPapstiriver h something seem to be best currently. but it depends on what you want to do with it.
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02:18:22DerPapstdoes rockbox on 3G used to detect whether usb is pluged in?
02:18:36amiconnI don't think so
02:18:48DerPapstexplains it :)
02:19:14*amiconn will add firewire detection for all ipods soon (more or less)
02:19:27amiconnWell, all that support firewire
02:19:33AceNikuys can you please help me with VMware?>
02:20:41amiconnWhich are all except the video and nano afaik
02:21:13*DerPapst has a fast wheel :D
02:21:25amiconnAnd hold still behaves?
02:21:33DerPapsthold works but there is a minor ui problem with hold.
02:21:40amiconnHold might fire unwanted button events on unlock
02:22:14DerPapstwhen i flip hold the icon isn't displayed. but it gets displyed once i touch another button
02:22:49DerPapstbut the button doesn't do anything except that hold icon is displayed
02:23:03DerPapstsame when i switch hold off.
02:23:16AceNikanyone help me i cant setup VMware
02:23:28DerPapsticon displayed, touching any button -> icon gone
02:23:42amiconnDerPapst: Did you get the same effect before removing the udelay()?
02:24:25DerPapstafair not.
02:24:46amiconnCould you perhaps try with a shorter udelay?
02:24:51DerPapstsometimes it works as expectd.
02:24:54amiconnLike 50 or even 10?
02:25:04DerPapstfilp hold on -> icon pops up
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02:25:47DerPapstwhile the backlight is on it works as expected.
02:26:13*DerPapst sighs
02:26:25DerPapstnow it always works :-/
02:26:36DerPapstwith a short delay but it works
02:26:37amiconnYeah, delayed interrupts
02:27:07amiconnI think ipl is correct on that but the udelay() seems a bit much to me for an isr
02:27:22DerPapststill trying with udelay(10);?
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02:27:42amiconnThis does only apply to the G3
02:27:52amiconnThe G1/G2 need no delay at all here
02:28:22amiconnThis delay is necessary because of the way Hold works on the G3 (and up)
02:29:11DerPapsts list acceleration :D
02:29:24DerPapstadd /me love.... before
02:29:37amiconnThe G4 driver uses 50s in rockbox instead of 250s
02:29:53amiconnI think this should be a good value for G3 as well
02:30:15DerPapstinstalling build with udelay(10) now
02:30:22amiconnAllows 5x the wheel speed before it stops working
02:30:42*amiconn needs to remember to implement repeat evens somehow
02:31:06amiconnUnfortunately the ld wheels don't report 'touched' state as a separate state
02:31:19DerPapstthat would be a cool feature
02:31:37amiconnWell, the G4 and up all do (except the mini G1)
02:32:13DerPapstoh they do already... didn't know that
02:35:39DerPapsthmm.. udelay(10) seems to do ok. sometimes it takes ~0.5 seconds to show or hide the hold icon.
02:36:16amiconnThe slight delay is normal
02:36:27DerPapstbut at least it pops up or hides always when hold is toggled
02:36:48amiconnFlipping hold doesn't count as a button press, hence the change is delayed until the next redraw
02:37:21DerPapstshall i still try udelay(50)?
02:37:50DerPapst^ (wonder if my grammar is foobar there)
02:38:09amiconnWould be nice... I wouldn't want to shorten the delay more than necessary
02:38:18amiconnAnd G4 uses 50
02:38:37amiconnJust check whether spinning the wheel rather fast makes it stop with 50
02:39:28DerPapstwhat is the point of this delay anyways? only influences the behaviour of hold?
02:40:15*DerPapst should have better read the comment before asking...
02:40:52amiconnAs I understand it, the hold switch on all newer ipods pulls all button lines high (including wheel)
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02:41:52amiconnSo it makes the ipod 'think' all buttons are pressed at once. Hold itself filters that, but releasing hold then makes it appear like all buttons were released at once as well
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02:42:22amiconnBut some of those interrupts aren't fired immediately, so the delay is there to wait for all of them to 'show up' they can be properly filtered out afterwards
02:45:22gxtioh, that's nice
02:45:29gxtia nightly build from a month ago can actually play music
02:45:32*gxti should just use this
02:46:33DerPapstudelay(50); is ok.
02:46:43amiconngoodie :)
02:47:02DerPapsti've exaggerated with scrolling a lot and couldn't manage to hit the limit
02:48:08amiconnWell, causing (nearly) 20000 wheel interrupts per second might be difficult ;)
02:48:31DerPapstnot for me!
02:48:34amiconnBut 4000 seem to be manageable (250s delay)
02:48:35*DerPapst tries again
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02:49:35DerPapstnow the G3 port of rockbox is somewhat usable :D
02:49:43*DerPapst does the rockbox dance
02:49:47amiconnyeah, 2nd gen as well
02:50:06*amiconn will go to sleep now and commit tomorrow, after a bit more cleanup
02:50:14DerPapstok :)
02:50:19DerPapstgood night
02:50:31DerPapstand thank you for all your awesome work :D
02:52:19amiconnThe video/nano problem somewhat annoys me :\
02:52:42*amiconn hopes to find a proper fix
02:53:23DerPapstdidn't have any problems so far on my G5.5
02:53:51DerPapstdunno if i'm running the latest of (and aupd) though
02:53:59DerPapsti'm running 1.3
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02:57:48DerPapstthe View HW Info screen doesn'T seem to update
02:57:55DerPapston 3G
03:00:51DerPapstis that on purpose?
03:03:58amiconnWhat do you expect to update?
03:04:07DerPapstthe estimated clock
03:04:17amiconnThe clock estimate shouldn't update, because it disturbs playback
03:04:20DerPapstto know when it boots and when not
03:04:55amiconnIt causes a short click as it has to disable fiq for a short time (but long enough for the fifos to run empty)
03:05:08DerPapsti had the feeling that my ipod doesn't boost at all while playing
03:05:43amiconnYou can watch that in the audio thread of CPU frequency debug screens
03:06:01DerPapstmaybe update when tapping center? ;)
03:06:05DerPapstah.. ok
03:06:06amiconnThe estimate is for checking whether the clock setup actually works as intended
03:06:16amiconn..nothing more
03:06:29DerPapstok.. then it's good.
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03:09:00SuckaFooHi everybody
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03:11:42***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
03:11:49*DerPapst is now going to sleep either.
03:11:57DerPapstGood night everyone :)
03:11:59 Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!")
03:16:40FebsSomeone on Head-Fi claims that FLAC sounds different from ALAC in Rockbox.
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03:18:41krazykitFebs, and do they have any data to back that up?
03:19:13FebsNo, of course not. Their support is that "there is an audible sparkle" with FLAC.
03:19:32Battousaii wish i could see sparkles with my ears
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03:23:13krazykitjust saying a "sparkle" can be heard is hardly evidence. what the hell does that even mean?
03:23:38FebsMost likely, it means that the guy is kidding himself.
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03:24:06krazykitlooking at his other posts, it sounds like he's a sound sno
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03:24:28krazykit"Both FLAC and ALAC bear that refined lossless finesse in sound"
03:46:47FebsYeah, look at his most recent response to me.
03:48:04krazykit...i don't think he understands a word of what he's talking about
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03:55:55sharpeso, what'd i miss?
04:00:49gxtiFebs: "dark sounding" headphones
04:01:22gxtii love audiophiles
04:01:50sharpei was only gone, like, maybe a year or so.
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04:05:46FebsGee, he really got the better of me:
04:07:58sharpewow, the concept of lossless audio compression really confounds me now.
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04:10:13FebsYou mean the way it's apparently not really lossless? :) "FLAC. It's lossless, but with some extra sparkle!"
04:11:08gxtilittle known fact: FLAC uses technology stolen from creative's x-fi chipsets to re-invent bits
04:11:28gxtialso, i think i did something strange to my nano, because now writing files is painfully slow
04:14:02sharpeyou know, i feel so ashamed i haven't used rockbox on my ipod for a long time now...
04:14:49FebsShame on you!
04:15:07sharpethat's what i get for going away for ever, haha
04:17:15FebsWell, if it's been a year since you've used it, you'll find that it's much easier to install now. And has a nice root menu. And plenty of new eye candy, like iconsets.
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04:19:51sharpeit's kind of funny i'm still listed as a 'rockbox expert' on the forums though :)
04:23:28asatruAnyone care to assist with a problem I'm having getting mp3/mpg files to play on my newly installed Rockbox Gigabeat F20?
04:26:58FebsIs it the issue described in this thread?
04:28:09asatruYes, that's the prob. That's me.
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04:29:13CulticWOOOOOOOO! FUCK YEA BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!
04:29:36sharpenice to meet you too.
04:29:44Culticsrry thats how i enter
04:30:13Cultichope i didnt insult anyone
04:30:37Culticno one
04:30:42Cultic. . .?
04:30:43Culticok cool
04:31:03Cultici love you guys
04:31:16Febsasatru: your problem has me stumped.
04:31:35asatruI was afraid that'd be the typical response. :-/
04:32:01Soul-Slayerasatru: When did you install rockbox?
04:32:10Culticim outtie
04:32:18CulticWOOOOOOOO! LATER BITCHES!!!!!!!!!!!!
04:32:24asatruI still retain the sinking suspicion that I've *somehow* managed to botch something in the procedure... but can't for the life of me figure it out.
04:32:28asatruI installed this afternoon.
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04:32:52Soul-SlayerThere really is little you can botch, it's just dragging and dropping a few files
04:32:55FebsSoul-Slayer: according to the forum thread, he's using r14042.
04:33:30Soul-SlayerLet me check which I'm using
04:33:34asatruOr, at least a few console commands. Yes, the procedure is rather simple.
04:34:08sharpei have to say, that is the best write-up of an issue i've seen.
04:34:13Soul-SlayerFebs: How often do bootloaders get recompiled?
04:34:53FebsSoul-Slayer: I'm not sure, to be honest.
04:35:31asatruIt may have been my first post to a Rockbox forum, but I've been around. (Does Fido-NET and dialing into a BBS ring a bell?) :-P
04:35:34Soul-SlayerBecause I recall barrywardell saying the bootloader for the Gigabeat is corrupt as of a few revisions ago, but I doubt the bootloader got recompiled that soon, so that's not going to be the problem.
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04:36:08Soul-SlayerJust reading this forum post of yours.
04:36:39Febsasatru: wow, you're bringing me back about 20+ years. I hadn't thought of Fido-NET in forever.
04:36:47asatruI appreciate the assist... even if it does not turn out any resolution.
04:37:07asatruheh. I was running a BBS on OS/2 then.
04:37:38Soul-SlayerRight, this is whats springing to mind.
04:38:08Soul-Slayerasatru: Could you please install this build:
04:38:27asatrusure thing. D/L'ing now.
04:39:25Soul-SlayerJust try MP3 playback on it for now, if you could
04:39:49asatruwill do. stand by.
04:41:51asatruShould I "fully" power down using the toggle switch at the bottom? Or is a simple reboot good enough?
04:42:00Soul-SlayerReboot should be sufficient
04:42:14Soul-SlayerIt's only when the bootloader is changed you need a full reboot
04:42:29asatrunod... just making sure.
04:43:11asatrump3 playback is successful. :-)
04:43:22Soul-SlayerRight, if you still have your Video on there, try that too pelase
04:43:32asatrutrying that now...
04:43:33Soul-SlayerPlease even.
04:44:11asatruElephant's Dream is now playing, Sound and everything!
04:44:20asatruWhat's the prob?
04:44:32Soul-SlayerOne of todays commits, it seems.
04:44:42Soul-SlayerAnd I'm going to hinder a guess it is the MP3 optimizations on ARM
04:45:05asatruIn all honesty, I was truly hoping it would have been that simple.
04:45:18Soul-SlayerAs the Gigabeat does have an ARM core, albeit a newer one than the other targest
04:45:25asatruI suppose I should have hunted for a way to get the older builds before posting.
04:45:39Soul-SlayerWell, you had no reason to believe it was broken :-)
04:45:48Soul-SlayerNor did we until now, thank you :p
04:46:05asatruHeh, uh... you're welcome? :-P
04:46:28asatrubrb, updating my forum post.
04:46:33Soul-SlayerI believe linuxstb made that commit, should run it past him when he's on tomorrow.
04:47:12asatruI'll keep an eye out for him, and let him know if I see him.
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04:47:33Soul-SlayerHopefully he checks chat logs :P
04:47:48FebsI think so, but let's open a bug report to be sure he sees it.
04:47:58Soul-SlayerWho wants to do the honours?
04:49:01FebsI'll do it.
04:49:36asatruBack now. Forum post updated.
04:49:49Soul-SlayerCan't be 100% sure it's due to the MP3 optimizations of course, but as that was the only major ARM commit
04:50:08asatruIANAP, but that does make sense if that's the case.
04:51:11Soul-SlayerAnd on the flyspray entry it doesn't seem like anyone tested it against the gigabeat
04:51:38Soul-SlayerNot that the gigabeat needs the optimizations too much, running at some ridiculous speed already.
04:51:48Soul-SlayerAnyway asatru, enjoy Rockbox :P
04:52:00asatruI truly appreciate the help. From both of you.
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04:53:53sharpeheh, i just provide entertainment while everyone else works away at solving problems, no different than what i did that year or so ago.
04:54:19Soul-SlayerEvery project needs that person :p
04:55:00sharpeactually i think the most i ever got to was working on that c64 emulator plugin for rockbox.
04:55:26Soul-SlayerOr whatever it's called ;$
04:55:40sharpeyou mean the chip8 one?
04:55:47Soul-SlayerPossibly :p
04:56:12Soul-SlayerYes that one
04:56:24sharpenope, it was a new plugin
04:56:48sharpefor emulating the commodore 64 :D
04:56:55Soul-SlayerI was unaware there was a C64 emulator :p
04:57:33sharpewell, there isn't, that was as much as i've contributed to rockbox; starting work on a plugin that never got finished
04:57:52Soul-SlayerThis explains why it isn't there then :p
04:58:47sharpemost definitely. i'm not too sure i still have the source code around to it; i had it working sort of okayish on the ipod video though...
04:58:59Soul-SlayerWhy is it I can read C, I can see how it works, but I can't write in the darn language.
04:59:35Soul-SlayerIt's possibly out of sync by now
04:59:37Soul-SlayerPossibly :p
05:00:03sharpejust a bit i'd imagine
05:01:05sharpei doubt it'd be worth it trying to get it working again, i doubt many people want a c64 emulator for their player anyway, haha
05:04:00Soul-SlayerIt would only be fuel to the people who think Rockbox turns your DAP into a gameboy with a music playing add-on
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05:04:46sharpeyep, why not feed the flame for them? haha.
05:05:07Soul-SlayerBecause the forums have people requesting things like Doom 3 being ported to Rockbox :p
05:05:16Soul-SlayerThat, and Nintendo DS emulators.
05:05:38saratogawe need a port to the Nintendo DS
05:06:13Soul-SlayerAll my DAPs consist of one screen and none of them are touch sensitive :(
05:06:15asatruHeh, you have to love the attitude of the ones who think that it's all just magic. If you can run one game, you can run them all!
05:06:46saratogaanyway, what is this about the new ARM optimizations for MP3?
05:07:06Soul-SlayerThey break the gigabeat.
05:07:07sharpecausing a problem with playback on the gigabeat?
05:07:10Soul-SlayerOtherwise, it's all goo
05:07:17saratogathat doesn't make much sense
05:07:28Soul-SlayerWell, the gigabeat has an ARM9 core
05:07:45Soul-SlayerAnd little iram I believe?
05:08:01saratogathe gigabeat is arm just like the PP, but it doesn't use IRAM, so its hard to imagine a way to get something to run on PP but not the gigabeat
05:08:17saratogait should just ignore the IRAM stuff in that patch and run the arm stuff normally
05:08:26Soul-SlayerI'm not sure it was accounted for with the PP5002s
05:08:37Soul-SlayerPP502X even
05:08:46Soul-SlayerOr... Both :$
05:08:56saratogawe tested on the PP5002. 5020 and 5024
05:09:06saratogai don't think anyone checked the gigabeat
05:09:17Soul-SlayerI looked through the FS and there was no mention, no
05:09:33Soul-SlayerBut the latest revision, MP3 playback and mpegplayer both fail
05:09:33saratogaso it'll just crash?
05:10:46Soul-SlayerI'll check to see if there are any error messages, give me a few mins.
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05:12:17saratogait drops to the splash screen and then click like the dac is reset
05:12:42asatruThat's what I experienced.
05:12:52asatruon two separate Gigabeat F20s.
05:13:12Soul-SlayerMP3 playback for me with latest revision has just abruptly frozen
05:13:19Soul-SlayerBacklight is block on, no LCD movements
05:13:41Soul-SlayerDisk continually spinning
05:14:12saratogai'll look into it now
05:14:37Soul-SlayerCurrently can't reboot into Linux to create a build before the ARM optimizations but I can't see what else it could be
05:15:15Soul-SlayerGot an error message from playing MP3's now.
05:15:25Soul-SlayerUndefined instruction at 00000044
05:16:25asatruI saw an error similar to that, but it was 00000050, and it only displayed once. Since it was a transient problem that I couldn't reproduce, I did not mention it in the forum post.
05:16:28Soul-SlayerAnother time the whole thing just resets.
05:16:39Soul-SlayerYes, I'm getting different results each time
05:16:51saratogawhat i really want to know is how that code gets slower by putting it in IRAM
05:16:53Soul-SlayerFirst was a hard freeze, second was that error message, third it just rebooted.
05:16:59saratogaon the PP5020 anyway
05:17:21Soul-SlayerNow it's just continually rebooting.
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06:03:17TiMiD[FD]haha funny my commit makes ld segfault on the build server ^^
06:03:39TiMiD[FD]ah not ld
06:03:52TiMiD[FD]make[1]: *** [/home/rbclient/build-h10boot/H10_20GC.mi4] Segmentation fault
06:07:22sharpeit makes make segfault :D
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06:09:17TiMiD[FD]I'm so good :)
06:09:49asatruum... Congrats?
06:10:31TiMiD[FD]ah I'm blushing !
06:11:03sharpethe irony
06:11:50TiMiD[FD]oh yes only one warning left !
06:12:16TiMiD[FD]it's as if I was sending directly the code to the build farm before testing locally ...
06:12:27Soul-SlayerNothing wrong with the build table looking.. Ehhm... Festive
06:12:51TiMiD[FD]I like when it looks like it's las vegas
06:14:03TiMiD[FD]very weird though, I don't get the last warning with my gcc
06:14:08TiMiD[FD]or I didn't noticed it
06:14:23TiMiD[FD]maybe a -Werror would be a nice thing to add ?
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06:23:38asatrug'nite all. Thanks for the help.
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06:24:15Soul-SlayerIt's still broken.
06:24:33TiMiD[FD]what does "ld" means in the build table ?
06:24:53sharpethe linker had a problem?
06:25:04saratogahas anyone been following the gigabeat bootloader rewrite project?
06:25:19TiMiD[FD]sounds like this is not really related tomy comit ...
06:25:39Soul-SlayerNo I don't think it is, there are stray 'ld's all through the table :S
06:25:44TiMiD[FD]my commit regarding the maintainer file generated an "ld" error too
06:26:04TiMiD[FD]and this beautiful segfault:)
06:26:04sharpehmm... i thought ld was the linker...
06:26:21TiMiD[FD]could be some defectuous hardware ...
06:26:40Soul-Slayersaratoga: All I know about the gigabeat bootloader is that barrywardell tried compiling it earlier and it caused a panic
06:27:56TiMiD[FD]ah even amiconn gotthose errors
06:29:45saratogaSoul-Slayer: sorry, I mean the guy who was working on replacing the ROM
06:30:24Soul-SlayerAh, you mean flashing the gigabeat?
06:31:40Soul-SlayerSounds like great fun for whoevers willing to try it :$
06:37:05sharpewow, you weren't kidding.
06:37:25Soul-SlayerAfraid not :p
06:39:54Soul-SlayerI think a sticky needs to be made in the plugins forum emphasising that the plugins come prepackaged with Rockbox
06:40:04Soul-SlayerToo many posts just say 'How do I download games' and so on.
06:40:30sharpethere's already a notice on the plugins index on the wiki, not that people normally read before asking questions though...
06:40:52Soul-SlayerIt's on the manual too, but people still ask
06:41:57Soul-SlayerThe majority of questions people ask are fully documented in the manual or wiki... What stops them feeling able to read them I'll never know
06:42:06sharpemaybe that should be a requirement for posting in a certain forum; that you read the section on that topic in the wiki and the manual... haha.
06:42:40Soul-SlayerOr a small quiz before you're allowed to install Rockbox :p
06:43:00sharpethat could make for a fun plugin
06:44:03Soul-SlayerAnyway, it's ridiculously late (Wait... Early) here now, so I should be going. Happy Sunday everyone.
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06:58:09saratogagot mp3 playback on the gigabeat working :)
06:58:53saratogaanyone know what the proper check is for the gigabeat CPU?
06:59:52saratogadefined(TOSHIBA_GIGABEAT_F) ok ?
07:01:12sharpesounds reasonable to me :D
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07:17:42saratogaok commited the fix
07:17:54saratogahopefully I did that right, I don't really know anything about the gigabeat port
07:18:00saratogabut it seems to fix playback on my gigabeat
07:19:02sharpeseeing as how i can't really contribute to that, i won't say anything :)
07:19:50saratogadid anyone ever benchmark the gigabeat before that patch?
07:20:02saratogai wonder how much faster it got with the arm optimizations
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07:25:32TiMiD[FD]hey how do you include links to the tracker patchs in your commits ?
07:25:35TiMiD[FD]simple html ?
07:26:54saratogathat'd be my guess, I've never tried it though
07:27:03TiMiD[FD]I'll try
07:27:24jhMikeSsaratoga: maybe you just gave me an idea about the bootloader problem on gigabeat
07:27:24TiMiD[FD]after all my red builds I've nothing to loose anyway
07:30:17saratogajhMikeS: that'd be pretty funny
07:30:34TiMiD[FD]someone here who can close taskson the tracker ?
07:30:44saratogaalso, aliask was asking about the gigabeat bootloader over in the gigabeat S channel for that port
07:31:06saratogaif you're familar with it maybe you could talk to him
07:31:12saratogano idea what he really wanted to know though
07:31:24saratogaTiMiD[FD]: what number?
07:31:57jhMikeSif icode causes problems, it could be the asm being icode. that problem started at the lcd commit.
07:32:21TiMiD[FD]and for your information, putting html in commit messages is not a good idea :p
07:32:34saratogawhat do you want the closing message to be?
07:32:51sharpe"it's all good" ?
07:33:02TiMiD[FD]"fixed by r0x0r kevin"
07:33:26saratogahmm how about "fixed by r14051"
07:33:37TiMiD[FD]eh sounds nice too :)
07:34:17TiMiD[FD]who could give me some rights on the tracker ?
07:34:29saratogai have no idea
07:34:34saratogai just got them suddenly this week
07:34:41saratogaLlorean maybe?
07:34:42sharpemakes me wonder if i have them...
07:34:55TiMiD[FD]so maybe I have them too ...
07:35:22TiMiD[FD]hm I can only request closure
07:35:33TiMiD[FD]so no :)
07:35:55sharpei forgot what my flyspray login was... oh well.
07:36:37saratogajhMikeS: yeah I was pretty surprised today when I found that it didn't work
07:36:53TiMiD[FD]I wonder which colors I'll get on the build page ...
07:37:00saratogai assumed we had some magic that made gcc ignore icode on the gigabeat
07:37:45TiMiD[FD]committing is like playing russian roulette
07:38:04sharpewhy's that?
07:38:34saratogai think its a problem with one of the build servers
07:39:04jhMikeSsaratoga: at least I know that's not the problem now :P. I wonder if something changed things so the linking isn't right. gah! I really have no clue atm.
07:40:20saratogajhMikeS: changed? Did it used to allow .icode sections?
07:42:04jhMikeSI see allowance for that in the lds file
07:50:52jhMikeSodd thing is that nothing should be trying to use ticks if usb is inserted
07:54:19jhMikeSsaratoga: you had to hotswap to recover?
08:00:33sharpewow, hey, look at that. the source to that space invaders emulator and the c64 emulator...
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08:09:16amiconnTiMiD[FD]: Did you actually add the URL to your last commit msg?
08:11:51amiconnThe script for the frontpage spots 'FS #nnnn' in commit messages and automagically creates a link. No need to clutter svn with that
08:13:07sharpeamiconn: he wasn't sure how to link to a tracker item
08:13:20amiconnsaratoga: Well spotted (the gigabeat fix)
08:14:07amiconnWell, almost. The fix in the .c file should be unnecessary, using the ICODE_ATTR macro is enough as it evaluates to nothing for the gigabeat
08:15:00amiconnBut in the asm the sections are hardcoded, and the gigabeat has no iram. (well actually it does but it's not used at all in rockbox)
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08:32:41saratogaamiconn: thanks
08:33:01saratogajhMikeS: no never had any serious problems with rockbox
08:34:53amiconnRemoving the fix from the .c should work
08:36:00*amiconn wonders why linuxstb did use the standard way of leaving out some IRAM code/vars in a codec in his libmad commit
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08:39:55jhMikeSsaratoga: somethings adding ticks before calling kernel_init. if I take the panic out, things proceed well.
08:40:18jhMikeSit's doing it before even checking the USB status
08:46:48*jhMikeS spots really funky asm
08:47:01saratogajhMikeS: sorry, I'm out of the loop, which problem is this?
08:48:42jhMikeSweren't you talking about the gigabeat bootloader panicing?
08:49:11saratogajhMikeS: no
08:50:01saratogai didn't realize there was a problem with it actually
08:50:43jhMikeSok, lol.
08:51:11saratogawhat problem is there with it?
08:52:13jhMikeSit panics at startup with "Error! tick_add_task(): out of tasks" and after a commit I made that has nothing to do with tick tasks.
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08:58:51amiconnjhMikeS: My first thought is that there is a driver that tries to use tick tasks without #ifndef BOOTLOADER on the gigabeat
09:00:43jhMikeSI can't find it. I'm not sure it's actually executing the relocated code.
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09:17:25sharpehmm... didn't rockbox used to use something else before svn?
09:17:56jhMikeSah, __backlight_init is probabaly the reason
09:32:59jhMikeSsharpe: cvs
09:33:05amiconnogg is still more efficient on PP than mp3
09:33:10amiconnWell, at least on PP5002
09:33:19sharpeah, thanks
09:33:19jhMikeSbootloader fixed :D
09:34:47*amiconn listens to his one single ogg album
09:35:23sharpeogg still just sounds funny to me
09:35:37amiconnIn what way?
09:35:53sharpehow it's pronounced
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10:46:49SliMMi have a problem on ipod video 5g 30gb: scrolling a large list of files slows down the scrolling speed and the scrolling is not smooth and also it gets quite booring
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10:47:42SliMMthe scroll whell acceleration would help, even if it's difficult to solve the smooth scrolling problem,don't you think so?
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10:54:39basculecan I build voices using VMWare? It sems the required packages aren't installed and I can't apt-get them.
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11:13:28*pixelma doesn't like plugin button actions :\
11:14:48pixelmabecause it was first designed from bubbles, the "generic 'fire'" button is mapped to "up" on Ondio - which makes sense for bubbles but not for other games (like the jackpot one
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11:15:50AceNikhey guys i need help setting up VMware anybody?
11:16:23*JdGordon agress with pixelma
11:16:29pixelmaand the actions already introduced a hack for Ondio even in this first plugin (bubbles) that uses them - and all these things are now hidden in a second file
11:17:21JdGordonspeaking of bubbles... /me preparing to commit a button fix for the sansa for it :p
11:17:24pixelmaJdGordon: interesting that you say this
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11:18:07JdGordonmeh, my code isnt 100% always... PLA needs a bit of work
11:18:25JdGordon... but really from somone who has alot more targets than just the 2 i have
11:18:44AceNikguys what do i do after setting up the debian package & selecting shells−−>extern
11:18:44AceNikhow do i copy the source to VMware from cygwin
11:22:51JdGordonpixelma: do you want to see if we can figure out more appropriate mappings for all targets?
11:23:03*JdGordon doesnt belive the system is flawed, just a bit annoying to use
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11:23:30jhMikeSJdGordon: how's the sd card working for ya now?
11:23:46JdGordonhavnt updated since the one you sent me last night
11:23:57JdGordonI've had 1 instert which even with the delay didnt load
11:24:03JdGordonother than that its been good
11:24:35jhMikeSsome cards can take up to around 2 seconds to finish power on believe it or not
11:25:10*JdGordon guesses mine could be one like that
11:25:14SliMMacenik: type \\debian\user
11:25:19jhMikeSI put it in a 1/2 second and now isn't sure that's right
11:25:22SliMMin windows
11:25:30SliMMmake a folder called rockbox
11:25:33SliMMand copy
11:25:51pixelmaJdGordon: I don't like the system at all because plugins can be so different in controls depending on gameplay and keypad
11:25:53SliMMyou will find the source in /home/user/rockbox under VM
11:26:08SliMMif you are logged in as root
11:26:10*jhMikeS says "SD Card Insert Delay" setting :P
11:26:31SliMMif you are logged in as rockbox, you will already be in the 'user' directory
11:26:35pixelmas/plugins/games especially
11:26:49jhMikeSit's rather obvious the Sansa OF takes it's sweet time waiting on the worst case
11:27:02SliMMacenik: got that?
11:28:15SliMMwhen will something like the scroll whell acceleration patch will be in svn?
11:28:27SliMMsorry for the second 'will'
11:28:51SliMMbecause scrolling a large list of files is a real main
11:28:58SliMMand it's also not smooth at all
11:29:41JdGordonits already there
11:29:50JdGordonunless your an iopd user
11:30:00AceNikSlimm: can i talk in pvtt
11:30:01SliMMi am an ipod user :))
11:30:12SliMMacenik: i'm not registered, i can't
11:30:33jhMikeSJdGordon: I count 3 second before OF starts updating the database :\
11:30:34AceNikok well i loaded the rockbox.vmx image
11:30:40AceNiknow its shows user@debian:
11:30:46SliMMyeah, log in
11:30:49JdGordonjhMikeS: /me doesnt use the OF so wouldnt know :p
11:30:58SliMMdid you log in?
11:31:01AceNikwhat kind of login?
11:31:15SliMMyou should have a login screen
11:31:18AceNikno it jus loaded this image , it says resuming virtual machine state
11:31:20*jhMikeS makes alot of comparisons in order to best it
11:31:38AceNikwhen i initially setup , first i did login as user n pass rockbox
11:31:40JdGordonbah, segfault on one of the servers again
11:31:57SliMMi always log in as root :P
11:32:13SliMMdid the vm resume?
11:32:25AceNikslimm: yes
11:32:38AceNiki have a extern window open that says user@debian
11:32:49jhMikeSJdGordon: I think I should add switches that can shut down certain wheel features like velocity filtering which are great for lists but rather bad for games perhaps.
11:33:04SliMMacenick: a shell window?
11:33:30*jhMikeS tests bubbles
11:33:51AceNikguys how do i give acces to a unregistered user for messages?
11:33:54SliMMacenik: you can download the sourcecode, or type \\debian\user in windows to acces your files in the VM via windows explorer
11:33:55JdGordonbrickmania has some problems at the slow cpu speed
11:34:55jhMikeSseems alright here
11:35:14jhMikeSthey all suck if music is going though
11:35:18SliMMJdGordon: what should i do for at least smooth scrolling?
11:35:23AceNikD:\VMware\VMware Player this is whr the player is
11:36:02SliMMacenik: you should only type \\debian\user in the adress bar of the windows explorer
11:36:22SliMMor search for computers in your network and go to debian
11:36:26AceNikslimm: nothin happens
11:36:37AceNikok wait i got a window
11:36:39SliMMthe VM makes a virtual network file share
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11:39:42AceNiklet me start fresh should i start VMware n then type this
11:40:20jhMikeSJdGordon: the wheel makes the game ridiculously easy :)
11:40:33SliMMacenik: i am here
11:40:44JdGordonjhMikeS: bubbles is a pretty easy game anyway
11:40:46JdGordontoo easy?
11:41:03SliMMjdgordon: did you pass level 71?
11:41:17*JdGordon has better ways to waste time
11:41:40SliMMlevel 71 is not that easy
11:41:43pixelmajhMikeS: try it on your X5 (provided the "joystick right" works as "good" as on my M5...
11:41:59AceNikslimm: ok i restarted VMware with the rockbox image now im typing \\debian\user in my explorer
11:42:20AceNikjdgordon:im also stuck at level70 in bubbles
11:42:21SliMMdid you log in in vmware?
11:42:30AceNikno it doesnt ask
11:42:46AceNikslimm:i jus start the player n i load the image
11:42:58SliMMdo you at least see the rockbox wallpapered desktop?
11:43:09SliMMin VMware
11:43:22AceNikyup i c that
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11:43:46SliMMacenick: try using full words :-)
11:43:51jhMikeSpixelma: uhh...joystick right is usually the problem with Cowon devices ;)
11:44:00AceNikslimm: i see the rockbox desktop
11:44:13JdGordonjhMikeS: i dont tihnk its too easy.. could be my wheel though.... if you want to fix it just change the ANGLE_STEP defnie at the top of the file
11:44:14SliMMacenick: did you manage to conect to the virtual machine?
11:44:43AceNikslimm: i reset the thing now it asks me a login
11:44:43AceNiklike before, do i login as user n rockbox pass
11:44:59SliMMtry root/rockbox
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11:45:09SliMMi like it more
11:45:12jhMikeSJdGordon: It's just nonstop firing and hitting it all effort
11:45:17AceNikslimm: ok now i entered the user & password , now i c the rockbox desktop
11:45:39SliMMnow switch to a windows explorer window
11:45:48SliMMdo you have an adress bar?
11:45:56AceNikok i typed \\debian\user
11:46:03*jhMikeS tries it on x5 shortly
11:46:06pixelmajhMikeS: there seem better devices (amiconn's and my father's X5 don't have that problem - at least not the obvious)
11:46:14AceNikslimm: cool a folder opened uyp
11:46:21SliMMah, finally
11:46:41AceNikslimm: may i ask which drive is this folder on
11:47:03AceNikslimm: is this being used as the 2GB thats reserved by VMware
11:47:13SliMMit's on a 'computer' in your 'network' called 'debian'
11:47:32AceNikslimm: ok
11:47:35SliMMVMware simulates this computer on your network
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11:48:11SliMMif you are logged in as "rockbox", you already are in this folder
11:48:12AceNikslimm: now how do i copy my cygwin source to this folder
11:48:24jhMikeSpixelma: mine just has a prematurely dead battery after they "fixed" the joystick but not before breaking the USB controller too. their service reputation is quite lousy.
11:48:45SliMMif you are logged in as root, you must type 'cd /home/user' in the linux shell
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11:49:10*jhMikeS never wants to send it back to Cowon for any reason
11:49:25pixelmajhMikeS: I read your comments here earlier...
11:49:49*jhMikeS cannot comment enough about it
11:49:59SliMMacenick: you can copy your source files to this folder or a rockbox folder in it, or you can get the up-to-date source code by using the svn command in the VM, as described in the wiki
11:50:10AceNikslimm: where do i check if im logged on as root, i havent opened the shell−−>extern yet
11:50:48SliMMacenick: if you typed 'root' as the user, at the log in screen, you are logged in as root
11:51:17AceNikslimm: i typed user
11:51:36AceNikso when i open my extern window it shows user@debian
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11:52:24AceNikdo i copy only a rockbox folder to this \\debian\user
11:52:26SliMMjust copy something in the folder you opened in windows
11:52:50SliMMand then type 'dir' in the shell i belive
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11:54:13AceNikslimm; ok 2 mins copying whole source
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11:55:40SliMMacenik: i need to go, try searching for some linux help to be able to work in VMware :)
11:55:55jhMikeSthe worst thing is that the battery problem makes it unrealistic to do all x5 power stuff I planned to do :\
11:56:05SliMMjust remember this: \\debian\user = /home/user
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12:03:10jhMikeSthe joystick angle seems a bit coarse on x5 now. is that new or am I used to something else?
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12:41:12AceNikuys how do you copy text fromt he VMware shell windows>
12:42:12oboI don't think you can directly - but you could ssh to it
12:42:24AceNikwhats that ?
12:42:49AceNikhow am i supposed to copy the rror its giving me to show it to you guys
12:42:52oboa remote shell - I'm guessing you're on windows, look for a program called PuTTY
12:43:19AceNik& what do i do with that program ?
12:44:09oboput in debian as the host to connect to, and login
12:45:28AceNikguys i jus gave my first make command on VMware i get this problem can you please help it says unrecognised file format or somethin
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12:45:51Domonokythere is also some VMWare tools to allow copy via Clipboard to and from the VMware.. but i dont know for sure..
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12:47:56AceNikit says scramble -o unrecognised format
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12:50:01_jzhallo !
12:50:16_jzso many jpg seem to be "unsupported"
12:50:20AceNikguys anyone there?
12:50:21_jzwhat is it due to ?
12:50:45jhMikeSprogressive jpeg _i think_
12:51:13AceNik_jz: or probably you buffer is full , try playing them without music on,
12:51:15Domonoky_jz: those jpegs are probably in progressiv format, rockbox jpeg viewer doesnt suport zhis..
12:51:58AceNikdomonoky do you use VMware
12:52:13*jhMikeS wonders why it shouldn't support it
12:52:25DomonokyAceNik: sometimes..
12:52:36AceNikthen please help me with my problem here
12:53:02_jzDomonoky: ha yeah probably
12:53:05AceNiki just gave my frist make command & it says scrammble.0 unrecognised file format
12:53:19DomonokyAceNik: did you run configure ?
12:54:12AceNikwait ill try somethin & brb
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12:59:40AceNiktherer is some error always related to gcc & scramble-o
12:59:55AceNikwhat do i do , i cant build now
13:02:09aliaskAceNik: Are you building a clean sourece?
13:02:20linuxstbAceNik: Did you copy your source tree from your cygwin installation? If so, try "make veryclean"
13:03:22linuxstbThe old .o file would be compiled for cygwin, which is why gcc in vmware doesn't recognise the format.
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13:04:26AceNikok now should i re-run make
13:04:35AceNikits done i must say VMware is hell fast
13:05:10AceNiklinuxstb: thanks buddy it accepted make command now after "veryclean"
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13:07:37AceNikit still ave me an error in rocks?
13:08:16AceNikdo i need to repatch also ?
13:08:36linuxstbWhat is the error?
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13:09:10AceNikerror [rocks2]
13:09:50AceNik[rocks] error 2
13:09:59AceNik[build] error 2
13:10:22linuxstbHave you run "make clean" as well?
13:10:55linuxstbHmm, but "make veryclean" should have done a clean as well...
13:11:17AceNikok im seeing what this net make i did would ive
13:11:27linuxstbBut there must be a more specific error message before the one you quoted.
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13:12:02AceNikok ill check with this one , i reverted svn now n re-did "make veryclean"
13:12:20*amiconn needs to find some info about the 1st/2nd gen ADC
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13:13:27DerPapstmahlzeit :)
13:13:33AceNikamiconn: cant we interprete the OF's code for scrolling on the H10, is that possible?
13:14:06amiconnWhat's the current time in PST?
13:14:21amiconnMaxim website is down until 10pm PST :(
13:14:29AceNiklinuxstb: done buddy thanks, compiled a normal build will patch now
13:14:59*DerPapst suggests google cache?
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13:17:21amiconnFound the MAX115 datasheet elsewhere
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13:18:46amiconnI wonder how it's hooked up in the ipod, and whether ipl has code to read it
13:19:02amiconnI didn't find anything in the kernel sources
13:19:16*amiconn doesn't know much about the linux internals
13:19:34amiconnDoes uclinux allow applications to access the hardware directly?
13:20:24DerPapstwe use that in podzilla and hotdog.
13:20:47DerPapstin hotdog for the b&w displays.
13:20:55amiconnI guess that's in the svn you linked to some days ago?
13:21:06*amiconn goes hunting the url
13:21:44DerPapstyes... but a lot of work to hotdog has been done after we have moved the svn repo.
13:21:59DerPapstwhich is still down :(
13:22:33DerPapst^the older working ione
13:25:11DerPapstor which is a recent source snapshot co'ed on windows. so all the symlinks are replaced by *.LNK files
13:25:49DerPapstso you can't compile e.g. ttk on linux without fixing the symlinks first.
13:26:16DerPapstbut at least the code is the most recent you can get from iPL
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14:00:54*amiconn is lost in the ipl code
14:02:11JdGordonwhats up with all the datab aborts which are being reported on ipods lately?
14:02:17DerPapstheh. i probably can't help you on this
14:02:41*DerPapst is most often lost in rockbox' code too ;)
14:03:20*DerPapst just opend FS #7504 to figure them out faster.
14:04:06JdGordoni was just looking at 7501 which is the patc for 7504
14:04:32*DerPapst has overseen that
14:05:14DerPapstblehh... i'm always too slow :-/
14:06:23oboI posted that patch after reading last nights logs - made that patch a few weeks ago
14:07:27DerPapsti bet my tiny discussion with amiconn ;)
14:08:43oboFor a 5g it's an extra 240kb on the zip...
14:09:35DerPapsti could live with that. (and i bet most of the users too)
14:10:23oboWell... there was talk of changing the distributed build system so it collected make mapzip and held them along with the current builds
14:11:54DerPapstyeah but only the current builds not current_build-1
14:14:29JdGordonyeah, having the maps in the user zips is a waste really... as long as they get on its enough
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14:15:19JdGordonobo: can you fix it to create instead? then we just need Bagder to fix the build script to collect them
14:15:25oboThe only advantage to having them in the user zip is it could also help unofficial builds...
14:15:55oboJdGordon: that already exists - make mapzip
14:16:34JdGordonoh, then ignore me :p
14:17:57DerPapsti think they sould go in the userzips regardless whether they are downloaded from or self compiled
14:18:24JdGordonno, they are a waste for 99% of users
14:18:38JdGordonas long as we can access the mapzip for a particular build its enough
14:19:50DerPapstfor really any build which is... lets say from 2 weeks ago or so?
14:20:06oboAre the server-side build scripts available anywhere?
14:20:18JdGordoni dont think so
14:20:30JdGordonDerPapst: builds are kept for 30 days.. so so shold the maps
14:20:37DerPapstaren't they in www in the repo?
14:20:47JdGordonbesides.. if a bug is reported, we always check they are running the current version
14:20:52JdGordonno, www is way outdated
14:21:08*JdGordon thinks the server master script is private for security reasons....
14:21:11DerPapstonly the daily ones or evrey build?
14:21:48oboJdGordon: www/tools? :)
14:21:57alienbiker99what kind of 'maps' are you talking about?
14:22:01*JdGordon really should shutup
14:23:16DerPapstbecause afaik only the daily builds are kept 30days. not every single build that has been made in this period
14:24:03JdGordonok, doesnt matter... if a bug happens, they have to use the recent build...
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14:26:17DerPapstwell.. having the map files available without bugging the server owner is an improvement regardless if they are in the user zip or available as download on
14:27:25DerPapstalienbiker99: map files help you to figure out there in the code the data abort happend (in brief)
14:29:07DerPapstbut as long as the build scripts aren't adapdet they should go in the userzips for now to kill these recent problems with ipods.
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14:36:27*obo wonders how long this local run of will take :)
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14:46:23amiconnDerPapst: Hmm, is it possible to check out from this svn server?
14:46:36amiconnI don't get it to...
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14:58:17DerPapstamiconn: "svn co iPL" should work. but better download the 7z file from here to get a more recent source snapshot
14:58:37amiconnOh, I tried svn:, not http:
14:59:13amiconnWorks, thanks :)
14:59:29*amiconn needs that for greping
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15:03:40amiconnHmm, no MAX115 access code
15:04:05amiconnAnd I thought ipl was said to be stable and supported on the g1...g3 .....
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15:04:48DerPapstafaik it is
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15:05:16DerPapstwhat is this chip for?
15:05:24amiconnBattery voltage reading
15:05:35amiconn(in the g1 and g2)
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15:06:29DerPapsti don't know if that works on g1 and g2 in iPL
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15:08:07amiconnI'm now 99% sure that it doesn't work
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15:42:58ComposerDudeHello, I'm looking at porting TuxNES to Rockbox. How do I find rockbox-related headers for C?
15:45:07DerPapstComposerDude: this might be interesting for you:
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15:46:05n1syay, voice files work with the lang cleanup again :-) now to clean this up and post a new patch
15:46:51ComposerDudeThanks DerPapst.
15:47:38DerPapstnp ;)
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16:24:04galdori've some new infos about playing music while USB is plugged
16:24:21galdorfirst, HAVE_USB_POWER isn't defined for the iAudio X5
16:24:26galdoris it normal ?
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16:29:18galdorI read the X5 can be charged via USB, so HAVE_USB_POWER should be defined
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16:38:12galdordoes anybody know what's is the exact purpose of USBPOWER_BUTTON ?
16:39:24Domonoky_i think its for the function, to not go into usb mode.. so you can charge with usb and listen to music at the same time..
16:39:39galdorDomonoky_: it's what i'm trying to do for my X5
16:39:58galdorbut there are two buttons:
16:40:54Domonoky_i dont know the code in question, i only know that this functionallity exits :-)
16:41:33galdoris there a possibility to cause hardware dammages trying it ?
16:42:16Domonoky_i dont thinks so, is this functionallity not enabled for iaudio ?
16:42:37galdorI read several times that you can charge the battery with USB
16:42:50galdorbut if not, is there a risk ?
16:43:36galdormy X5 is only a few days old, I wouldn't want to burn it
16:43:38Soul-SlayerWhen you plug the USB cable in on the X5, does it have Rockbox USB functionality or does it reboot?
16:43:59galdorwhen I plug it, I saw a USB plug icon displayed
16:44:01galdorno reboot
16:44:15Domonoky_normally there is no risk..
16:44:22Soul-SlayerThen there should be no risk
16:44:39galdorok ok
16:44:54Soul-SlayerGo to Settings -> General Settings -> System -> Battery
16:44:57galdorso, if I find what key use for USBPOWER_BUTTON, I can make a test
16:45:06Soul-SlayerTell me if theres an option called 'Charge during USB connection'
16:45:07*Domonoky_ wonders why it isnt enabled for iaudio, or if galdor is just pressing the wrong button while inserting..
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16:45:48galdorSoul-Slayer: there is only Battery Capacity
16:46:01Soul-SlayerThen it sounds like USB charging isn't even implemented yet.
16:46:07galdorbut I've the last SVN build on screen, HAVE_USB_POWER isn't defined
16:46:24ComposerDudeWhat is the easiest way to contact other plugin writers? (I'm specifically thinking of Rockboy writer)
16:46:33galdorit's defined for iPod 4G, Sansa E200 and a few others
16:46:49Soul-SlayerWhich really leads me to believe it's just not been written for the X5 yet
16:47:25galdorbut there's nothing special to do, no ?
16:47:26n1sComposerDude: if you want to ask questions related to rockbox this is the place
16:47:46Soul-SlayerPlenty, I believe the whole charging algorithm would need to be implemented to it
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16:48:00Soul-SlayerFrom the wiki: " Power handling 10%"
16:48:16kkurbjunamiconn, that fix for the gigabeat doesn't make sense to me
16:48:27Domonoky_Soul-Slayer: charging is done in hardware.. so there should be too much code to implement..
16:48:34kkurbjunregarding the iram for libmad
16:48:38galdorSoul-Slayer: mhhh... I practice C for years, perhaps I can help
16:48:56ComposerDudeI'm examining porting TuxNES as a rockbox plugin. Hence the inquiry.
16:48:58Soul-Slayergaldor: Well, take a look at the USB charging for other ports and work from them
16:49:00Domonoky_insert. not :-)
16:49:37Soul-SlayerDomonoky_: Perhaps not, but the fact remains code -does- need implementing, and if it hasn't been defined, and the option doesn't exist yet, I can only presume it has yet to be implemented :p
16:49:49kkurbjunmemcpy, memmove, memset16, memset, and memswap128 functions are in the .icode section as well
16:50:00galdor#elif defined(USB_X5STYLE) /* TODO X5 */
16:50:06n1sComposerDude: well, the person who originally ported rockboy (HCl) has sadly passed away, you can have a look in the svn logs to see who else worked on it
16:50:08galdordon't like this :s
16:50:17Domonoky_Soul-Slayer: sure, some code has to be written, and probably some datasheets researched.. but its not a charging algo..
16:50:20kkurbjunand there's a section for .icode, idata, etc in the linker for the gigabeat
16:50:29kkurbjunit just puts it in dram and not iram
16:50:57Soul-SlayerDomonoky_: Okay okay wrong word usage :p I was just trying to state something needs doing :p
16:51:09Domonoky_thats true :-)
16:52:01ComposerDudeThanks nls.
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16:52:38kkurbjunamiconn, you can also look at the map for the gigabeat and it will show all the mem* functions in the .icode section - so the fix seems like it is only masking another problem to me
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16:56:56webguest29hey, can someone help
16:57:05DerPapstproably not.
16:57:19DerPapst*probably even...
16:57:25Soul-Slayerwebguest29: Ask your question and if someone can help they will
16:57:48DerPapstyou haven't asked a question. so how can anyone help? my mindreader is broken atm...
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16:58:44sharpeawesome, i'm back to compiling.
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16:58:52DerPapst^ what ecer :-/
16:59:02Soul-SlayerDerPapst: You're scaring them off :( :p
16:59:04*DerPapst blames keyboard
16:59:27ComposerDudeAw comeon... there are the rules
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16:59:53sharpeshould have like an automatic greeting. "for help with a problem, please ask now."
17:00:11Soul-SlayerWell the topic does tell them to read the guidelines, and it's put there :p
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17:00:32sharpeoh well
17:00:59DerPapstwho's read them anyways except the ones who wrote them, Soul-Slayer and me?
17:01:33Soul-SlayerWow :p
17:01:46Soul-SlayerAh well, they're fairly common sense
17:02:16ComposerDudeSo long as a user chooses to read them, Soul-Slayer.
17:03:19ComposerDudeMost people these don't know what common sense is, lol
17:03:31Soul-SlayerNot-so-common-anymore sense :p
17:04:02sharpemaybe a drum machine plugin would be interesting.
17:04:40Soul-Slayersharpe: I want Doom 3 on my H10, get porting please? :(
17:05:05*GodEater_ hopes thats a joke
17:05:07sharpehaha, just like it said in the forum post, just change 'wad3' to 'wad2' haha :D
17:05:27FebsI'd like 24 track recording on my iriver. Let me know when it's ready.
17:05:36FebsOh, at 24/96, of course.
17:05:40DerPapstGodEater_: we're all serious here.
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17:08:53krazykitSoul-Slayer, doom3? pff. i want the new crysis engine on my gigabeat.
17:09:20sharpeand a xbox 360 emulator, por favor.
17:09:40ComposerDudeHow about a Wii emulator! Anybody?
17:09:53krazykitComposerDude, that's silly
17:10:02krazykitthere's no accelerometers on the targets
17:10:06sharpesomeone should port rockbox to the wii :]
17:10:19ComposerDudeYesir, krazykit.
17:10:50GodEater_don't those new ibm laptop drives have accelerometers in ?
17:11:19sharpethey're not that new of a thing in laptops, are they?
17:11:35krazykitGodEater_, i think someone set up his lenovo or macbook to move the slide show forward or backward depending on which side of the screen he smacked
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17:12:02Soul-SlayerSmacked, good choice of word :p
17:14:36sharpenow i remember how long it takes to build in cygwin...
17:15:04*krazykit is happy he doesn't build in cygwin
17:15:22ComposerDudeThank goodness for the rockbox vmz... and for Ubuntu double-boot.
17:15:36sharpei just don't have the motivation for vmware
17:16:02*krazykit thinks rockbox should endorse a Free solution rather than a non-free solution.
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17:16:09ComposerDudeIs there anything specific to VMware image that I could simply apt-get for Ubuntu?
17:16:12krazykitqemu is cross-platform, apparently
17:16:33krazykitComposerDude, no, the vmware image is debian 4. nothing special there
17:17:23krazykiti haven't used it, but i'm under the impression that it's just the rockbox tools and a framebuffer and some sdl-framebuffer libs for the sim
17:17:35krazykitand a compiler, obviously
17:17:45sharpecan't forget the compiler
17:18:45ComposerDudeMy dad was an embedded systems programmer... wish he were willing to help rockbox.
17:19:53ComposerDudeAm I right in thinking that there is little contribution in the area of chipsets etc. ?
17:20:34Domonoky_ComposerDude: what do you mean ? Hardware drivers ?
17:21:19ComposerDudeSomething along those lines.
17:21:19Domonoky_i think we have many very good hardware hackers in the rockbox team, otherwise we wouldnt have this many targets.. :-)
17:21:40ComposerDudehaha, of course.
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17:25:04ComposerDudeI think, thats exactly the reason why rockbox has had more success with newer models than say, ipodlinux as a case in point, Domonoky.
17:26:49Domonoky_rockbox is much older than ipodlinux.. even older than all ipods :-)
17:27:13*amiconn isn't sure about the last part of that statement
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17:27:36amiconnThe first ipods came out in 2000 afaik
17:27:43GodEater_I thought it was 99
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17:27:54Domonoky_rockbox is older..
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17:28:13GodEater_both wrong, it's 2001
17:28:19sharpewikipedia says october 2001 :D
17:28:21GodEater_according to wikipedia anyway
17:28:27kkurbjunamiconn, did you see my messages?
17:29:02ComposerDudeWikipedia has had a good track record the last couple of years, GodEater.
17:29:06Domonoky_looks like i am wrong, if the ipods really came that early..
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17:30:30ComposerDudeHow young is rockbox, then? I thought it was 2000 for archos dev.
17:31:51DerPapstthen the ipods are older
17:32:01Domonoky_jeah, a few months :-)
17:32:06DerPapst~ 2 month
17:32:09ComposerDudeOnly by two m
17:35:19ComposerDudeStill, rockbox works on 5G and 5.5G pods, and the new firmware.
17:35:45*Domonoky_ thinks ipodlinux also works on those..
17:35:59GodEater_it does
17:36:42GodEater_in fact if it wasn't for DerPapst's work with the 80GB and ipodlinux, we'd probably still not be running on it
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18:53:18linuxstbBagder: I may just be impatient, but the build system looks stuck...
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18:55:41bluebrotherDomonoky_: I noticed you were quite active the last days ...
18:58:03Domonoky_hey bluebrother: jeah, i made some new code :-)
18:58:33Domonoky_now i am trying to build a better logger.. with an interface, so we can also build a non-gui logger..
18:58:58Domonoky_with logger i mean the progress window with the list..
18:59:26bluebrotherI assumed that based on your comments in the wiki.
18:59:37bluebrotherI made some small changes I'll merge tonight
18:59:56bluebrother(UI translation integration and some work on proxy settings)
19:00:22Soul-SlayerYeah, the build table definitely doesn't seem healthy
19:00:27Domonoky_bluebrother: nice.. also tell me if you have questions about my code :-)
19:01:55bluebrotherI'll do ... btw, I already have a question:
19:02:51bluebrotherin some class you declared a destructor and defined it inline in the header as empty. Why declare it at all?
19:03:28Domonoky_hm.. no real purpose, just a habit.. :-)
19:03:59bluebrotherI find it somewhat clearer to omit it in that case ... but it's not a real problem.
19:04:07bluebrotherI was just thinking if it does make a difference ;-)
19:05:05Domonoky_no difference..
19:05:22bluebrotherok. Then I got the C++ book I'm reading right ;-)
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19:16:36bluebrotheraaah :(
19:17:20bluebrotherDomonoky_: for some reason I get dos line endings with the files you changed
19:18:06bluebrotheris it possible that your svn client translates wrongly?
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19:19:34bluebrotherthe whole files differ :(
19:20:40*Domonoky_ will try to do better in the future
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19:39:24*bluebrother is annoyed by the warnings about the hxxxpairs arrays ...
19:42:36bluebrotherDomonoky_: btw, I'm planning to replace the folder chooser dialog as it works a bit ... quirky
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19:44:24PaulJamis the build server hanging?
19:44:38bluebrotherlooks like
19:45:24Domonoky_bluebrother: no problem.. :-) do you want do build an folder chooser yourself, or with what do you want to replace it ?
19:46:36bluebrotheryes ... I played with QDirModel. Looks pretty much like what I would like to have
19:46:41*bluebrother spots tabs :(
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19:49:12Domonoky_i will now commit my logger changes :-)
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20:01:23Domonoky_arg.. conflict solved, an now an new conflict.. :-/
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20:08:10Domonoky_puh, my rbutilQt code is in.. now will bluebrother get the conflicts :-)
20:08:31bluebrotherlet's see ... I'm about to commit
20:09:53bluebrothergreat, no conflict during commit :)
20:10:02Domonoky_nice :-)
20:10:15bluebrothernow to merge the proxy stuff ...
20:11:47bluebrotherdo you know how to obtain IE proxy settings on windows?
20:12:10Domonoky_no.. sorry i dont know
20:14:08bluebrotherok. Google might know ...
20:26:30DerPapstlinuxstb: i'm looking at the last change you made to libmad, especially the new .h file. Am i inderstanding this correctly that on pp5002 libmad is build without using iram because mpegplayer is built too?
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20:26:51DerPapst*understanding ;)
20:39:52linuxstbDerPapst: libmad is built twice from the same source - once for the normal mp3/2/1 codec and once for mpegplayer. Those functions are in IRAM for the normal mp3 codec, but not for mpegplayer.
20:40:38DerPapstok :)
20:42:28bluebrotherbuild still hanging?
20:42:38*bluebrother looks around for Bagder
20:44:19bluebrotherDomonoky_: another idea: how about renaming the "Quick Start" tab to "Welcome", and add some introductory text?
20:44:34bluebrothercould be helpful if we can make such a text spoken for the blind.
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20:56:15Domonoky_bluebrother: would be nice..
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20:59:01bluebrotherhmm. Why are the values for the fwpatcher md5sums in a header file?
20:59:15bluebrotherthat creates quite some warnings ... defined but not used
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21:12:47bluebrotherah. Using -O2 produces warnings on ipodpatcher ...
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21:16:56GodEaterBagder: do you think it's wise encouraging that zajacattack person to fiddle with their sansa in that manner ? I think the risk of brickage for him is nearly 100%
21:17:50Bagdernot to him in particular no, but I thought I could at least inform the crowds about the idea
21:17:58Bagderafter all, that is the R port thread
21:18:30BagderI doubt very much he'll be able to run the vanilla BL in the R model anyway
21:18:58GodEaterit's a neat plan, I just hope he doesn't try it personally
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21:19:21Bagder"my sansa doesn't start anymore, what can I do?"
21:20:02GodEater"you can go back and read all the places where we told you not do this to it"
21:20:58sharpewell, he could always buy a new one :)
21:21:02Domonoky_bluebrother: the fwpatcher md5 sums are used to check if the patching of the original firmware was successfull..
21:21:02linuxstbBagder: Did you say you head an R model?
21:21:02GodEaternot being a sansa owner myself, I'm not sure I quite followed what's going on with the e200tool line he was talking about
21:21:18Bagderlinuxstb: no, I don't think any dev owns an R model
21:21:30BagderGodEater: it reads and writes ram memory
21:21:34Domonoky_bluebrother: perhaps they could be included in another place, to generate less warnings :-)
21:21:35GodEaterbut I gather what happens is that the sansa some code into memory, and that's what e200tool is dumping - not the original location of it ?
21:21:41bluebrotherDomonoky_: I know what's the use of those values. But shouldn't they get in a .c file and exported through a header?
21:21:48GodEaterthere should be a "copies" in there somewhere
21:21:52Bagderbut e200tool can also start executing at a specific memory address
21:21:56GodEaterbrain ahead of fingers again
21:21:59sharpescorche, yep. it's me.
21:22:01bluebrotherat least every inclusion of irivertools.h now produces a warning
21:22:04bluebrotherwhich isn't nice.
21:22:15BagderGodEater: exactly, it just happens that the BL is "left" there
21:22:16linuxstbBagder: So you could in theory load Rockbox via e200tool?
21:22:20sharpeweird isn't it?
21:22:29Bagderlinuxstb: yes I believe so
21:22:29Domonoky_bluebrother: thats just copyed from fwpatcher.. so, sure we could change this..
21:22:40GodEaterlinuxstb: but it wouldn't disappear as soon as you turned it off though ?
21:22:46bluebrotherok ... I'm currently killing a few warnings.
21:22:49linuxstbGodEater: Yes ;)
21:22:50BagderGodEater: exactly
21:23:01GodEaterbit of a hard way to start it then ;)
21:23:04Domonoky_but the md5sum files shouldnt be changed, i think the can be generated..
21:23:11linuxstbBut running Rockbox could give you more debugging options.
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21:23:20bluebrotheripodpatcher and sansapatcher also create warnings if you build with -O2 (which is what the generated makefile does)
21:23:30Bagderlinuxstb: it is indeed a very good idea...
21:23:31GodEaterever the optimist linuxstb :)
21:23:42bluebrotherno, I only want to move the includion of those values ;-)
21:24:14bluebrotheroh, we need 5 more commits to have only a single first name on the front page ;-)
21:24:49Bagderbtw, I disabled ARM builds on bygg (which is why the dreaded ld disappeared now)
21:24:51*linuxstb changes name to Dominik
21:25:06Bagderzagor isn't around atm to fix it for real
21:26:58bluebrotherstrange. ohloh doesn't seem to like picking up my gravatar image.
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21:27:27Bagderbluebrother: did you make it default on gravatar?
21:27:32BagderI did that mistake at first
21:27:41bluebrotherI think so. But let me check ...
21:27:50Bagder(and then I learned that also uses gravatar...!)
21:28:44bluebrotherhmm. After logging in I see the picture two times. And next to the email address the correct image.
21:30:38*bluebrother thinks about sending a reminder regarding the FS week ...
21:31:04Bagder"how hard it would be to integrate efl libraries into rockbox"
21:31:18Bagderthat enlightenment
21:31:31bluebrother"free linux system"? Urgh.
21:32:21scorcheeither of you 2 going to respond, or shall i? =P
21:32:47Bagdercheck the thread, someone already did
21:33:54bluebrother"it's all possible - given enough code." <−− I tend to disagree.
21:34:02Bagderme too
21:34:15Bagderthey seem to think that the 16MB of ram is available to the gui
21:34:25bluebrothera lot is possible. But not all.
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21:35:04bluebrothersomeone could "enlighten" them ;-)
21:35:28*scorche gets out the pun bat
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21:38:45GodEaterrasterman might not be entirely wrong - he *did* intend efl as an embedded library too, *however* I think once someone spent all that time getting it working, the cpu / memory left over would leave little for rockbox's original purpose
21:38:58GodEaterso making it pointless
21:39:06GodEaterso possible yes, worth it, no
21:39:18scorcheenlightenment has always been pointless =)
21:39:18Bagderright, and I would guess that efl has grown since the day he used 16mb machines for it
21:39:23bluebrotherwell, just use your dap for graphics demos ;-)
21:39:32*GodEater disagrees since he uses it as his primary WM
21:39:42scorcheGodEater: shame on you
21:39:46GodEaterBagder: he never ran efl on 16mb machines
21:39:50*bluebrother used enlightenment some years ago for a while
21:39:53GodEaterefl only arrived with version 0.17
21:39:53Bagderwell, 32mb then
21:40:08Bagderor perhaps I should read closer
21:40:12GodEaterhe's run it on mobile phones
21:40:21bluebrotherupgrade to an 64MiB Ipod :)
21:40:22Bagdermobile phones have heaps
21:40:27GodEaterthere's a screenshot on his site somewhere
21:40:39Bagderthey do run java after all
21:40:41*scorche is of the opinion that enlightenment is for those who are facinated by a shiny penny on the ground
21:40:52*scorche thinks he has degenerated into trolling
21:41:16GodEaterscorche is entitled to his opinion, but mine is that is that it's nothing like as shiny as Beryl /compiz
21:41:38scorchewobbly windows is a must-have
21:41:48Soul-SlayerShhh, someone might want Beryl ported to Rockbox also
21:41:49*linuxstb reads a decent Rockbox magazine article -,134953-c,mp3players/article.html
21:42:05bluebrotherthis vacuum cleaner window minimizing effect is cool
21:42:30GodEaterlinuxstb: Our apologies for the inconvenience, but the page you requested cannot be found.
21:42:31bluebrotheruseless, but cool.
21:42:45bluebrotherGodEater: works fine here.
21:42:48Soul-SlayerWorks for me ;$
21:43:17*GodEater curses XChat's firefox integration
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21:45:08batraxakihey, can i ask something?
21:45:28bluebrotheryou already asked something
21:45:30Soul-SlayerOoh ouch, I don't like the way he linked up 'Download the latest version' directly to the build table... Thats how people end up coming here wondering what to do
21:45:39bluebrotherso, if you dare to ask your question you might ask ;-)
21:46:25DerPapstbatraxaki: no. you aren't allowed to ask anythin until you read the IRC Guidelines linked in the topic
21:46:39scorcheeek...he linked to the wps gallery in the wiki...oh well..
21:46:40*bluebrother would prefert the text to write "you begin by downloading the manual, then the current build"
21:48:09batraxakiwell, i have a problem with rockbox. i've installed it, so far ok. But now, i don't know i cannot watch any video
21:48:16linuxstbscorche: Well, that's the official place for themes... (unless I missed your launch)
21:48:32GodEateryeah, I must have missed that too
21:48:50bluebrotherI'd rather link to the WpsGallery page instead of the page for a specific player
21:49:07Soul-Slayer"'Ugly' doesn't really do justice to Rockbox's default, lowest-common-denominator theme."
21:49:18Soul-SlayerSo uhm, don't use it.
21:49:44linuxstbSoul-Slayer: I think that's a pretty accurate description of the default theme on the 5g...
21:49:56scorchelinuxstb: yes, but it is kind of depressing how quickly things written in articles becomes obsolete...then again the depressing part depends on how you look at it
21:50:12Soul-Slayerbatraxaki: That doesn't explain your problem, does it not show video at all? Crash? Out of sync? Clipped?
21:50:26bluebrotherand what type of video?
21:50:38bluebrotherhave you checked
21:51:16batraxakibluebrother yes, i've already checked this
21:51:32Soul-SlayerWhat seems to be the problem then?
21:51:36GodEateris anyone going to make an "official" response to the article ?
21:51:45bluebrotherbut it starts the plugin when you click on a video file?
21:52:05linuxstbbatraxaki: What program did you use to convert the video to the format Rockbox needs?
21:53:25batraxakilinuxstb does rockbox need a specific format?
21:53:37linuxstbDid you read the page bluebrother linked you to?
21:53:48scorchebatraxaki: i thought you said you already read that page..
21:53:53GodEaterbatraxaki: if you read the page you claimed you'd read - you'd know that
21:55:50batraxakiso, rockbox only support s rvf?
21:56:00linuxstbIs that what the page says?
21:56:16batraxakiim so sorry, but im confused
21:56:22linuxstb"It is currently capable of playing back MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 video streams with MPEG audio multiplexed into .mpg files (MPEG Program Stream)."
21:56:23Soul-Slayer"It is currently capable of playing back MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 video streams with MPEG audio multiplexed into .mpg files (MPEG Program Stream)."
21:56:33Bagder /echo off
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21:57:57linuxstbbatraxaki: What type of player (ipod, iriver, sansa etc) are you running Rockbox on?
21:58:11batraxakiipod 5g
21:58:31linuxstbThen forget Rockbox for videos - stick with Apple's firmware.
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21:59:08Soul-SlayerBecause Rockbox doesn't use the video processor in the Ipod5g, unlike the OF
21:59:13boxrockafter an upgrade today, my Toshiba F40 is stuck on 'rockbox loaded' at boot, can anybody point me to a corrective action please?
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21:59:19Soul-SlayerIt's all CPU based
21:59:20linuxstbbatraxaki: I hate to keep saying this but that wiki page tells you why...
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21:59:40Soul-Slayerboxrock: When did you update?
21:59:58Soul-SlayerAre we talking hours ago or minutes ago?
22:00:08boxrockalso tried a 20070727 relaease
22:00:16linuxstbboxrock: When was the last time you updated (before today) ?
22:00:19Soul-SlayerShouldn't be a problem with that one.
22:00:32boxrockmonths ago maybe
22:00:43GodEaterboxrock: then you probably need a new bootloader
22:01:30linuxstbYou need to enter bootloader USB mode. With the old bootloaders, this means holding MENU (I think) as your gigabeat boots. So turn the battery switch off, then on, then hold MENU.
22:01:41batraxakithank you all anyway. so, unfortunately there is no solution... :/
22:01:56Soul-Slayerbatraxaki: You never told us the problem
22:02:00Soul-SlayerJust that it didn't work
22:02:20scorcheSoul-Slayer: from the sound of it, he didnt format the videos for rockbox
22:02:32bluebrother... and there is a way to make it work (use the OF)
22:02:50Soul-SlayerFlip the hold switch to 'On' as the iPod boots.
22:03:00Soul-SlayerVideos will work, I'm sure
22:03:37Soul-SlayerAslong as you remember to turn hold off again :p
22:05:25GodEaterBagder: you sansa genius is back in the thread again...
22:05:39Bagderyeps, me responds
22:05:46GodEaterhow the hell did I mistype a y with an s
22:07:56*scorche wonders why there seem to be a lot of people who think "brainstorming" will help...
22:08:13sharpescorche: so that they can tell someone else what to do?
22:08:24GodEater"raking up ideas that other people who are cleverer than me had ages ago will work a miracle somehow"
22:08:33batraxakiSoul-Slayer i have an ipod 5g and im trying to watch some videos. The same videos that i used to watch when i did not install rockbox. Then, i find out that rockbox needs a specific format (rvf right?) so i read the manual to convert my videos but i cannot do that. that's my problem :\
22:08:43scorchesharpe: i dont think you are following..
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22:09:02GodEaterbatraxaki: nowhere does it say on the mpegplayplugin page that you need rvf formatted videos
22:09:03bluebrotherbatraxaki: it's mpeg, and there are instructions on the wiki page
22:09:07sharpebatraxaki, that's an old format for the archoses i believe; you're looking for m2v
22:09:20GodEatersharpe: even m2v is too old
22:09:35scorchesharpe: as i said before, catch up a bit before giving advice =)
22:09:39sharpeeh, closer than rvf though :]
22:09:51GodEaterabout 7 months out of date still though
22:10:27linuxstbbatraxaki: Trust me (I wrote a lot of mpegplayer...) use Apple's firmware to watch videos. You can still run Apple's firmware even though you've installed Rockbox.
22:11:03batraxakilinuxstb how?
22:11:07boxrocknew bootloader did it, thanks all!!!
22:11:17sharpemaybe i just thought m2v was a container format. dunno why...
22:11:39GodEaterboxrock: good to hear it ;)
22:11:41linuxstbbatraxaki: Turn off your ipod (hold PLAY for a few seconds). Then turn it on by pressing SELECT or MENU, and immediately turn on the hold switch.
22:12:41linuxstbAnd to switch back to Rockbox, hold MENU+SELECT for a few seconds to reset - Rockbox will then load.
22:13:59linuxstbboxrock: Keep an eye on this page - it tells you the important changes to Rockbox, including when new bootloaders are required -
22:14:20sharpewell, the procedure for booting rockbox on the ipods hasn't changed much at least. haha...
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22:15:19*scorche wonders how the booting would change
22:15:44bluebrotherask the user for a magic word, then boot :P
22:15:45batraxakilinuxstb thanks a lot. so, when i want to see a video i use Apple's firmware and when i want anything else i use rockbox...
22:15:52batraxakiyeah, sounds fair
22:18:50Soul-SlayerIs anyone looking into the patch to flash the Gigabeat?
22:20:35Soul-SlayerI guess that clears that one up then/.
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22:23:05linuxstbSoul-Slayer: The "Gigabeat Flashwriter - DO NOT USE" patch? ;)
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22:23:49Soul-SlayerYes, him ^^. I believe it was put there so other people could work on it while he was away, ergo I believed people may look into it :p
22:25:10bluebrotherhmm. gcc finds some interesting issues in ipodpatcher ...
22:25:11linuxstbGiven it's very early state, I doubt anyone else will investigate. afaik, kkurbjun is the only dev with a jtag interface attached to his gigabeat.
22:25:28Soul-SlayerAh okay.
22:25:32linuxstbbluebrother: e.g.? Do you want to post a log?
22:26:08Soul-SlayerThe 'hold down power button for 2+ seconds to power on' feature of the Gigabeat... Is that hardware or flash loader based?
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22:27:41bluebrotherthe first part is with adding -O2 to the ipodpatcher Makefile, the second is the output when building with rbutilqt
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22:28:05bluebrotherand qmake adds -O2. Haven't checked the other options
22:28:30bluebrotherI could easily disable the use of -O2, but I think it's better to adjust ipodpatcher ;-)
22:29:27linuxstbI assume you don't get the first set of warnings when compiling ipodpatcher without -O2 ?
22:30:03bluebrotherwithout -O2 there are no warnings.
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22:31:27linuxstbThe message regarding "type" isn't helpful - i.e. where does it think it's being used uninitialised?
22:31:38bluebrotherand is it intended that ipod_read returns the result of read, which is ssize_t as an int?
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22:32:55linuxstbNo, that should be cleaned.
22:33:10bluebrotherI guess that happens because type is used from within an if clause
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22:34:01bluebrotherand it's used similarly later on.
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22:44:02linuxstbbluebrother: I've committed a few fixes to ipodpatcher.c I'm investigating the others.
22:44:25linuxstbI'm confused about when -O2 is generating different warnings though...
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22:45:06bluebrotherI could imagine that this happens because some parts will be removed during optimization.
22:45:40linuxstbBut that means gcc is breaking things...
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22:45:53bluebrotherlike ipodpatcher.c:296, where if(n < 0) doesn't make sense as n is unsigned.
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22:46:13bluebrotherbut if you don't optimize it's just a superfluous if clause ...
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22:46:54linuxstbBut that example isn't happening with a straight -O2 make - it's happening for your rbutilqt build.
22:47:53linuxstbI guess I should add the same warnings in the ipodpatcher makefile that you're using in rbutilqt.
22:48:35bluebrotherwell, qmake added those ;-)
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22:49:42linuxstbBTW, have you modified ipodpatcher.c locally? Those warnings don't match my version.
22:50:51bluebrotherwell, I did some keyword swapping to remove more warnings
22:50:55*amiconn notices that backlight inversion also needs the contrast setting inverted
22:51:00bluebrotherlike this:
22:51:02bluebrother../ipodpatcher/ipodpatcher.c:107: warning: ‘static’ is not at beginning of declaration
22:51:20bluebrotherbut that's all
22:51:35linuxstbYes, I've just compiled ipodpatcher.c with your gcc command, and got all those warnings.
22:51:40amiconnBut the good thing is that I was listening to music on my 2nd gen for several hours today, and didn't get a single crash
22:52:08DerPapstamiconn: nice :) good work i'd say then
22:52:26amiconnBtw, it seems that the PP chips have a _builtin_ rtc
22:52:39bluebrotherdang. Out of disk space on my virtual machine :(
22:53:20amiconnIt's of little use in the later ipods, because (1) the PCF powers off the PP, and hence its RTC would lose track and (2) the PCF has an RTC too
22:53:26DerPapstamiconn: rtc or clock? because if it would be an rtc i wonder why apple didn't use it
22:53:39linuxstbbluebrother: I'll fix those. They shouldn't have moved lines around though.
22:53:41amiconnApple did use it
22:53:52amiconnThe 2nd gen does have a time display
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22:54:19DerPapstthat probably explains why the clock is always resetted when reseting the ipod
22:54:20amiconnIt's just that the Menu+Play reset resets the PP _completely_, i.e. including the rtc
22:54:34*DerPapst was faster this time :D
22:54:49amiconnBut sleep mode doesn't stop it working, and the PP is _never_ powered off in the 1st and 2nd gen
22:55:26barrywardellthe sansa uses the built in rtc for its clock
22:55:45bluebrotherlinuxstb: great :)
22:55:58amiconnBtw, the diskmode\0 hotstuff\0 reboot should definitely work on the 3rd gen (spotted the respective strings in the 3rd gen firmware)
22:56:02DerPapstbut amyways... settin the clock new everytime doesn't sound like hours of fun...
22:56:23amiconnipl only uses that trick on 4th gen and up
22:56:53barrywardellor, maybe it's built into the as3514. my mistake
22:56:56amiconnThe 1st/2nd gen firmware only has the 'hotstuff\0' string, but not 'diskmode\0'
22:57:09DerPapstwhat is hotstuff?
22:57:16DerPapstpower off?
22:57:53amiconnAll these strings are in-ram markers for the flash loader
22:58:08amiconnYOu set both strings when you want to rboot into diskmode
22:58:24*amiconn wonders why DerPapst doesn't know that since it's a long known ipl "trcik"
22:58:48DerPapsti know this is possible but i didn't know how it works ;)
22:59:04DerPapstyou know.. the kernelsource is kinda scary :P
22:59:13amiconnPerhaps the PP 'rtc' is in fact not hardware but software
22:59:41amiconnSince it's never powered off, this would work. It's just running at 32kHz instead of multiple MHz's
23:00:16*DerPapst wonders how good playback would be on 32kHz...
23:02:51bluebrother... interesting? ;-)
23:03:22amiconnAbout 4 samples per second?
23:03:51DerPapstgood enough for me i'd say</bad_joke>
23:04:46amiconnBah, I mean 40
23:05:02amiconnBut now, back to assembly listings...
23:05:06DerPapsteven better :D
23:05:15*amiconn _has_ to find out how this adc is controlled :\
23:05:16DerPapsthave fun :)
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23:08:58Bagderfor our polish audience, a new article about rockbox =>
23:09:14Bagder(oops, that was page 3, but you get it...)
23:09:38Soul-SlayerI can admire the perdy pictures.
23:09:50sharpewhat? pictures?
23:10:06*bluebrother just send a reminder about the FS week to the MLs.
23:10:35sharpenow if i could only read polish.
23:10:50Soul-SlayerThats what the pictures are for :D
23:11:00sharpehaha, good point
23:11:26sharpei can read spanish though in an okay manner... i wonder if there are any spanish articles on rockbox...
23:11:51*DerPapst needs a lot sleep to be somewhat useful next day and has to get up early.
23:11:53linuxstbBagder: I see they couldn't translate Crossfeed...
23:12:02DerPapstGood night everyone :)
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23:12:25sharpeBagder: thanks :D
23:12:32Bagder(reads the referer list from the web stats)
23:12:38*Bagder adds a /me
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23:14:19sharpei figure i should just, stop typing for a while. maybe i'll pick up on new things.
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23:19:23linuxstbbluebrother: How's it looking now?
23:21:08Bagdern1s: I have my automated voice script prepared
23:22:20Bagdersee for a few samples
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23:26:48webguest20any channel staff that can help me with a ipod problem pls msg me
23:27:01Soul-SlayerJust tell us your problem.
23:27:03bluebrotherlinuxstb: much better. See here:
23:27:23webguest20how can i edit the size of the search text so i can actually read it?
23:27:39bluebrothersize of the search text?
23:27:45Soul-SlayerEhm.. Use a larger font?
23:27:47bluebrotherare you referring to the text input?
23:28:05bluebrotheryou need to load a custom keyboard for the user font to get used in the vkeyboard
23:28:26webguest20how do u do that?
23:28:48webguest20do you have a dl link or tut or sumting?
23:28:59bluebrotherwe have a really nice manual
23:29:05Soul-SlayerAnd a wiki :D
23:29:16bluebrotherno tut or sumting needed.
23:29:21Bagderand we write english words!
23:29:30webguest20shut up badger
23:29:38Soul-SlayerOooooh pwned.
23:29:41bluebrotherna, wi writ würds.
23:29:42Bagderbut we can't spell nicks!
23:29:58bluebrotherno, as we don't know about tab-completion :P
23:30:15webguest20Sorry I am just eager to solve this problem, understand?
23:30:35linuxstbbluebrother: I see you've now slipped some sansapatcher warnings in there... ;)
23:30:47bluebrotheryeah ;-)
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23:31:11webguest20so if i download a virtual keyboard the search artist text will be different?
23:31:14bluebrotherI want to make rbutil compile (at least almost) warning-free
23:31:26Soul-Slayerwebguest20: Are you saying that all the text on your ipod is too small?
23:31:31bluebrotheras I said, if you load a custom vkeyboard the user font will be used.
23:31:40webguest20no, just when i want to seach an artist
23:32:28webguest20if it helps im using the evilg fusion build..
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23:33:16webguest20bluebrother how do i load a custom keyboard?
23:33:39bluebrotherEvilG build is called "unsupported" for a reason
23:34:00linuxchuck*bork bork*
23:34:02sharpei knew the thing about unsupported builds were still true :-D
23:34:03bluebrotherbesides, we told you where to look. Additionally, now a link:
23:34:13webguest20yeah i now :( but i wanted the AA feature
23:34:35linuxchucksorry... IRC tourettes
23:34:42linuxstbbluebrother: OK, ipodpatcher should now be warning-free.
23:34:51webguest20thank you bluebrother
23:35:35Soul-Slayer How to make your own keyboard layout
23:37:26webguest20soul, can i copy that file at the bottom to my iPod then open it in file browser to use a keyboard?
23:38:02bluebrotherlinuxstb: great, thanks.
23:38:41Soul-SlayerIf you want a bizarre keyboard layout, sure. Otherwise, you can just open notepad, set up the keyboard however you like, and save it as 'something.kbd' in UTF-8 encoding
23:38:59Soul-SlayerThen open it on your ipod and use it.
23:39:22bluebrotherif the keyboard file is stored in /.rockbox/kbd it will get remembered upon next boot
23:39:41Soul-SlayerAutomation to top it all off
23:39:52webguest20awsome, ill give it a try thx
23:40:25bluebrotheror was is /.rockbox/keyboards/
23:40:30bluebrotherwell, the wiki knows.
23:40:37*linuxchuck wonders if there is an opening for an "RTFM cluebat implementation specialist" on the dev team.
23:40:59Soul-SlayerActualy, it's just the .rockbox folder :p
23:41:38webguest20not ".rockbox/kbd"?
23:42:04Soul-SlayerJust .rockbox
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23:42:42webguest20ok thx
23:43:52sharpelinuxchuck: i'm sure that might be able to fall under 'rockbox expert' on the forums
23:44:33linuxchuckugh, steep qualifications... oh well... :-p
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23:47:20linuxstbbluebrother: First attempt at sansapatcher fixes committed. Hopefully I've got them all.
23:47:46webguest20ok im back, it didnt work.. :(
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23:50:35bluebrotherlinuxstb: haven't spotted any more warnings
23:50:58Soul-Slayerwebguest20: Tell me what you did step by step
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23:51:06linuxstbbluebrother: So I can stop cluttering up the front page of the website with commits now?
23:51:25Soul-SlayerWow, you have too :p
23:51:45*linuxstb only had 6 more to go...
23:51:57Soul-SlayerA true achievement
23:52:01Bagderthe Dominiks almost had it for a while there, but now the Dave is coming strong!
23:52:09webguest20oh sry soul just got it working, i accidentally had it as "keyboard.kbd.txt"
23:52:15bluebrotherdamn. Need to make a commit.
23:52:28webguest20i got it working now, thanks again
23:52:34linuxstbAnd Allesio prevented it being a clean sweep by the Ds.
23:52:57*bluebrother starts with a clean weep :'-(
23:53:04Soul-SlayerBut everyones contributed to turning the build table into a christmas tree, so it's fine
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23:54:33linuxstbWhat do people think about only having main Rockbox commits on the front page? i.e. files that trigger a rebuild?
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23:55:11bluebrotherI like the table to easily read diffs
23:55:19bluebrotherbut it could get moved to a different page.
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23:56:07pixelmaI also like to see the other commits easily (remotely when not near something where I can download SVN)
23:56:33linuxstbI'm just thinking that they're perhaps less useful for users trying to follow changes to the firmware.
23:56:45linuxstb(and devs...)
23:57:13linuxstbBut it's probably just an unusually active few days with rbutilqt.
23:57:29Soul-Slayerlinuxstb: Is that not what is for really?
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