| 00:01:10 | pondlife | Ah, that's only file removal. |
| 00:01:47 | pixelma | pondlife: Slasheri told me "auto-update" works without dircache too - it is just slow |
| 00:02:10 | pondlife | The deleted files check is #ifdeffed out |
| 00:02:26 | pondlife | tagcache.c:4028 |
| 00:02:52 | pixelma | I remember having asked him once |
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| 00:03:42 | Soul-Slaye1 | Why is it the diff file I've made in Windows has a different layout to diff files I've made in Linux before nwo |
| 00:03:44 | Soul-Slaye1 | now* |
| 00:04:02 | pixelma | from the wiki: If "automatic update" has been set to on, it automatically does everything that "update now" does at every boot. However, without dircache (General Settings -> System -> Disk -> Directory Cache) enabled, auto update skips the check for deleted files because that would take very long without dircache. "Update now" includes that check whether dircache has been enabled or not. - whatever that means |
| 00:04:38 | pondlife | Sounds about right. |
| 00:05:01 | pondlife | Although tagcache.c also has other checks for dircache that I don't quite get. |
| 00:05:44 | pondlife | It should probably treat flash players like they do have a dircache. |
| 00:06:11 | amiconn | Soul-Slaye1: The charge and discharge percentages are different on purpose |
| 00:06:31 | pondlife | Anyway, time for sleep. |
| 00:06:38 | pixelma | pondlife: ah, didn't see your second line - was already typing the reply to your first post |
| 00:06:52 | JdGordon | pondlife: i dont reemember that patch, but if it works, go for it, im heading to work in a few min |
| 00:07:10 | amiconn | They are captured from real discharge / charge cycles on a couple of targets. The discharge and the charge curves always look different |
| 00:07:16 | pondlife | JdGordon: I've no idea if it works, I don't have the appropriate number of bits available to test it :) |
| 00:07:26 | JdGordon | pondlife: oh, no, that has been commited |
| 00:07:37 | pondlife | So I can close that bug? |
| 00:07:38 | Soul-Slaye1 | amiconn: Ok. I can't understand why, but fair enough |
| 00:07:45 | JdGordon | i dont think the aim of that was to fix that bug though |
| 00:08:08 | midgey | any opinions on FS #7383 |
| 00:08:18 | JdGordon | amiconn: can you test that patch pondlife linked to so it can be closed? (64bit sim bug) |
| 00:08:22 | amiconn | Well, a current flow requires a voltage difference (unless the total resistance is zero - which only applies to superconductors) |
| 00:08:40 | pondlife | JdGordon: If n1s == nls then maybe he can tell us.... |
| 00:08:51 | amiconn | And the chemistry of rechargeables also adds to that |
| 00:08:52 | Soul-Slaye1 | midgey: Surely disk mode is handled by the apple OS |
| 00:09:04 | midgey | it was closed once and reopened, but the freeze occurs in diskmode |
| 00:09:14 | Llorean | midgey: Why is 7383 even opened? Who reopened it? |
| 00:09:21 | JdGordon | is there an n1s in the house? |
| 00:09:37 | pondlife | JdGordon: I've put a message on FS. |
| 00:09:38 | Llorean | Or better yet, why did Zagor reopen it? |
| 00:09:47 | JdGordon | righto |
| 00:10:02 | midgey | Llorean: no idea. it was you who closed it originally |
| 00:10:15 | midgey | i think it should be closed since its not our issue |
| 00:10:28 | Soul-Slaye1 | Seconded. |
| 00:10:34 | pondlife | Kill |
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| 00:11:05 | pondlife | Anyways, g'night all. |
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| 00:12:06 | salty-horse | firmware/bidi.c has several c++ style comments (used to comment out debug/temp code) |
| 00:12:27 | Llorean | midgey: I definitely think it should be closed, for the same reason |
| 00:12:59 | midgey | closed |
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| 00:17:25 | * | DerPapst just came here to point out that there is already a bootloader available for 1G and 2G iPods that is able to load rockbox. This loader is even older than the 1G/2G rockbox port. It's (the probably by all rockbox devs hated bootloader called) Loader 2! :P |
| 00:18:28 | Bagder | loader 2 something beta, isn't it? |
| 00:18:55 | amiconn | Well, on the g1...g3 the release version might even work |
| 00:19:01 | Bagder | aha |
| 00:19:10 | amiconn | We're not running dual core on PP5002 yet |
| 00:20:05 | amiconn | Although, I prefer bootloaders without extensive menus... |
| 00:20:17 | DerPapst | Loader 2 is pretty stable on all my iPods (which are 2) and i haven't heard anythin bad on the iPL forums about that either |
| 00:20:50 | amiconn | And using rockbox (and ipl from what I read) is still somewhat cumbersome on 1st/2nd gen, due to the lack of shutdown |
| 00:20:58 | DerPapst | i load rockbox with loader 2 and it works fine... |
| 00:22:52 | DerPapst | but when amiconn introduces dual core support on PP5002 that wont work anymore. and i bet amiconn isn't willing to fix loader 2 :'( |
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| 00:24:24 | Llorean | Whatever happened to fixing the things that need to be fixed for 2nd core playback? |
| 00:24:27 | Bagder | imho, someone should add the menu thing to our bootloader in an #ifdef thing |
| 00:24:43 | * | preglow reappears |
| 00:25:28 | amiconn | Bagder: Why would you want a menu in the bootlader? |
| 00:25:30 | Soap_ | Llorean, regarding your pedantic ;) correction to the question of how much money scorche won with my betting...How did mr.weathers get a rockbox.ipod file in his root directory if he is correct in that he first installed Rockbox only 1 month ago? |
| 00:25:37 | amiconn | preglow: wb :) |
| 00:25:40 | Bagder | amiconn: I don't, but clearly lots of people do |
| 00:26:03 | Bagder | and telling them to go ipl for the loader only isn't an ideal situation if you ask me |
| 00:26:04 | Llorean | Soap_: Maybe he first installed an unsupported build (jbuild?) that hasn't been updated for a long enough time to include that change? |
| 00:26:25 | Llorean | Bagder: I agree, solely because I'd rather have them using something we can support. |
| 00:26:32 | Bagder | exactly |
| 00:26:42 | * | preglow reads 600 rockbox mails |
| 00:27:18 | * | amiconn thinks the only thing the bootloader is lacking is speed |
| 00:27:22 | pixelma | Bagder: JdGordon mentioned that he started something like that just a few days ago - something with holding a button at boot to get to the menu *shrug* |
| 00:27:26 | Soap_ | good thinking Llorean. Once again exposing a covert assumption on my part. |
| 00:28:13 | DerPapst | pixelma: but he didn't come far and gave up ;) |
| 00:28:22 | amiconn | Hmm.... |
| 00:28:33 | DerPapst | so noone is working on it courrently |
| 00:28:33 | pixelma | ah yes... |
| 00:28:44 | * | amiconn isn't sure what's the best way to restructure the IRQ handler |
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| 00:28:55 | amiconn | It now needs to dispatch various GPIO interrupts |
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| 00:31:47 | linuxstb | Bagder: I would prefer to see effort made to get rolo working and loading the Apple firmware - we could then just add a "Load Apple Firmware" option to the main menu. |
| 00:32:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: Or the system menu? |
| 00:32:26 | linuxstb | Or even add that option via a reboot with some magic in IRAM... |
| 00:32:45 | Bagder | true |
| 00:33:04 | Llorean | Making Rockbox itself handle the job of multiboot wouldn't be bad either, but I think you might still have a hard time convincing people not to use iPLL2 under those circumstances. |
| 00:33:50 | linuxstb | I haven't used it for a while, but I wonder what the difference is in booting IPLL2 compared to Rockbox... |
| 00:34:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: There are other magic cookies than 'diskmode\0' and 'hotstuff\0' defined in the ipod flash rom... |
| 00:34:32 | linuxstb | Rockbox Utility could even start writing rockbox.ipod to the firmware partition, getting rid of the bootloader completely... |
| 00:34:37 | Soap_ | Since once an iPod is in Apple Firmware it tends to stay in Apple Firmware, baring long-term disuse, the rolo or IRAM option doesn't sound so unreasonable for those who like IPL |
| 00:34:54 | amiconn | I wonder if anyone has tried them |
| 00:35:00 | linuxstb | amiconn: I know there's a retailos check |
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| 00:35:49 | linuxstb | It's used at least by the diskmode "app" - writing that to IRAM before launching the diskmode app will cause it to reboot after disconnecting. |
| 00:35:57 | * | amiconn needs to test the available magic cookies on 1st/2nd gen |
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| 00:36:22 | amiconn | There are less than on the later ipods |
| 00:36:36 | DerPapst | There is one thing the rockbox bootloader or rockbox itsself can't handle readring bootlin iPodLinx which Loader 2 can. Rockbox can't pass argument to the kernel or getLoader2Args. |
| 00:37:02 | DerPapst | that would be the reason why i wouldn't use the rockbox bootloader or rockbox to boot iPL |
| 00:37:11 | linuxstb | Then write a patch... |
| 00:37:27 | DerPapst | which won't get acceped anyways... |
| 00:37:31 | Llorean | A "Boot iPL" plugin would. :-P |
| 00:37:44 | Llorean | It could parse a text file containing the same options as work with the iPL Loader 2 |
| 00:37:53 | preglow | amiconn: you have a 2g ipod now? |
| 00:37:59 | DerPapst | esp. not for the bootloader because that would require a menu |
| 00:38:13 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, and soon a 1st gen as well |
| 00:38:17 | linuxstb | preglow: Welcome back... |
| 00:38:17 | Llorean | DerPapst: As I said, make it run from Rockbox using a plugin that parses the same config that Loader2 uses. |
| 00:38:43 | Llorean | Then it'd be mostly compatible, easily launched, and have little to no reason not to accept it. |
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| 00:38:58 | donutman25 | how do i dump sansa firmware with the bootloader? |
| 00:39:21 | preglow | linuxstb: thanks |
| 00:39:29 | amiconn | preglow: I had to RE battery adc access as that is something the ipl people never dived into... and I have it working on 2nd gen :) |
| 00:39:30 | DerPapst | as you probably know all i've done so far is redifining some buttons for plugins.... so i doubt i'm somewhat of able to code that plugin. |
| 00:39:31 | preglow | done with vacations now |
| 00:39:54 | amiconn | And we definitely need sleep mode as the PP can't be powered off on the 1st/2nd gen |
| 00:39:56 | DerPapst | and as long i can't ROLO the kernel in rockbox there is even no point in doing that. |
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| 00:40:08 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i was about to ask if you've aquired a taste for disassembly :P |
| 00:40:23 | linuxstb | DerPapst: I've rolo'd the IPL kernel in the past. |
| 00:40:47 | amiconn | It seems that the OF actually calls the ROM functions to access the ADC, as the main firmware doesn't seem to have functions for that |
| 00:40:51 | DerPapst | infact... i'm not even 100% how to do that in rockbox... |
| 00:41:04 | Llorean | DerPapst: Last time I checked, RoLoing iPL actually worked. |
| 00:41:13 | DerPapst | well then... |
| 00:41:15 | Llorean | At least until it got to the point where it realized I didn't have an ext3 partition. |
| 00:41:24 | linuxstb | At the moment Rolo only works with .ipod files - so run scramble on the kernel, and just select the .ipod file in the file browser. |
| 00:41:25 | amiconn | So if we are able to run rockbox from flash one day, it might be problematic to get the OF to run... |
| 00:41:36 | * | DerPapst starts his preferred coding editor... |
| 00:41:44 | preglow | anyone heard anything from saratoga? seems not much has happened since i left |
| 00:41:56 | Llorean | amiconn: I think if we're running from Flash we don't need to be too concerned about dual boot. |
| 00:42:15 | amiconn | RoLo... on archos that's possible |
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| 00:42:47 | linuxstb | preglow: He's made a few commits I think. But there's not much left to do in terms of features - seeking is the main thing left, plus fixing problems with the occasional troublesome file. |
| 00:43:18 | amiconn | linuxstb: Isn't there this special mode for low-bitrate files that's still missing? lsp? |
| 00:43:19 | Llorean | amiconn: Well I'll admit it'd be nice to be able to rolo the OF, I don't think it should be seen as a necessity when running from flash. For example, we can't yet on H100 |
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| 00:43:51 | linuxstb | amiconn: Maybe - I've lost track. I know he's made some low-bitrate fixes of some kind though. |
| 00:44:04 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, i asked him to look into seeking before i left. heard anything about progress? |
| 00:44:08 | DerPapst | Llorean: but there is one problem though... but i don' know the Loader 2 internals at all. The string (arg) that getLoader2Args is reading from seemingly out of nowhere have to be stored somewhere. Maybe in ram.. and i don't know what rockbox would say when i start randlomly writing stuff in the ram. |
| 00:44:14 | Soap_ | don't want the ipods to surpass the HXxxx's now do you ;) |
| 00:44:24 | preglow | he's working on lsp, afaik |
| 00:44:28 | preglow | still not working 100% |
| 00:44:41 | preglow | but i just got back from england, haven't spoken to him for a week |
| 00:44:47 | Llorean | DerPapst: Well, it's just a suggestion. As I don't use iPL at all, I must admit not being particularly invested. ;) |
| 00:44:52 | * | Llorean goes to dinner. |
| 00:45:09 | * | petur goes to bed |
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| 00:45:52 | DerPapst | I mean even if i would want to write that plugin... if i can't store the args anywhere the whole thing simply doesn't work. |
| 00:46:03 | linuxstb | preglow: He mentioned about week ago that he was going to investigate seeking, but haven't heard anything about it since... |
| 00:47:09 | linuxstb | DerPapst: I would imagine that you would need to add a new (small) function to the Rockbox core which actually handles the call to the main rolo() function and passes the arguments. Your plugin would then call that function. |
| 00:48:07 | linuxstb | As it's an ipod-specific feature and all ipods have at least 32MB of RAM, I can't see the few bytes it would take being the issue. The main one IMO is if anyone would want to use it... |
| 00:49:13 | DerPapst | i would if that is actually the only solution to have rockbox, iPL and the OF triple booting. |
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| 00:49:33 | DerPapst | *once dualcore support is introduced |
| 00:49:49 | linuxstb | What's the problem with dual-core and loader2? It should work fine. |
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| 00:51:03 | DerPapst | afaiu introducing dual core support on pp5003 breaks loading rockbox with loader 2 |
| 00:51:11 | DerPapst | *pp5002 |
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| 00:51:47 | linuxstb | I don't think that's the case. |
| 00:52:08 | DerPapst | well then all is good :) |
| 00:52:31 | amiconn | linuxstb: So why does an older bootloader not work for dualcore rockbox on PP502x then? |
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| 00:53:59 | DerPapst | linuxstb submitted a patch to loader 2 |
| 00:54:01 | linuxstb | Older bootloaders don't, but current versions should work fine. |
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| 00:55:10 | DerPapst | linuxstb: by lloking at getLoader2Arg.c i couln't even find out where it gets the argumenst from ^^ http://217.235.22.83/ipod/getLoader2Args.c |
| 00:55:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, but why does what makes the older rockbox bootloaders not work not apply to ipl2? |
| 00:55:31 | linuxstb | Because ipl2 was fixed |
| 00:55:47 | linuxstb | (as DerPapst said, I gave them a patch which was committed) |
| 00:56:04 | amiconn | Yes, but that patch isn't in the release version yet, is it? |
| 00:56:15 | * | amiconn never tried loader2 |
| 00:56:28 | DerPapst | it is. |
| 00:56:34 | DerPapst | long long times ago |
| 00:56:40 | amiconn | Well, perhaps I unknowingly did when I tried ipl for a very short time on my mini g2 |
| 00:56:50 | DerPapst | infact.. i made the release version of Loader 2.5 |
| 00:56:55 | Soap_ | dare I ask the SVN command to check out an old revision? |
| 00:57:05 | linuxstb | DerPapst: The Loader_2 wiki page has been updated? For a long time after my patch was committed, that still showed 2.4 as the current release. |
| 00:57:15 | bluebrother | Soap_: svn co -r <releasenumber> |
| 00:57:20 | DerPapst | yes it has been updated. |
| 00:57:53 | linuxstb | It says "18 May 2006" ... |
| 00:57:56 | DerPapst | there were even a Loader 2.5d6 version available with your patch. But the wiki hasn't been updated |
| 00:58:05 | DerPapst | i forgot the date then ;) |
| 00:58:38 | linuxstb | Does that also include the change to look for rockbox.ipod in .rockbox/ ? |
| 00:59:02 | DerPapst | and i think this "last updated" row is stupid. since mediawiki adds the date automatically at the bottom of the page. |
| 00:59:03 | DerPapst | yes. |
| 00:59:20 | Soap_ | bluebrother, thank you but "svn co -r 13990" from my /rockbox directory on ubuntu gives me a "not enough arguments provided" error. |
| 00:59:29 | DerPapst | courtc added half of my patch to svn |
| 00:59:52 | DerPapst | the other half was bumping the laoder version from 2.5d6 to 2.5 |
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| 01:00:13 | midgey | soap: i thought the command was svn up -r 13990 |
| 01:00:13 | DerPapst | so the loader version in svn seems older than the release one ^^ |
| 01:00:36 | bluebrother | Soap_: sorry, you need to svn up -r<number> |
| 01:00:45 | Soap_ | aye - that seems to do the trick. |
| 01:01:07 | Soap_ | I was going to spend my time here in the hotel building older nano builds to help with the diagnosis of the nano problems. |
| 01:01:07 | bluebrother | svn co -r<number> works too, but you need to specify the svn server as this is a checkout |
| 01:01:13 | DerPapst | but in loader 2 is still the hack included to get the hw version... ;) |
| 01:01:22 | Soap_ | does anyone, Llorean, know what versions should be built for testing? |
| 01:01:47 | Soap_ | ahh, that makes sense bluebrother |
| 01:01:56 | linuxstb | DerPapst: You spotted my commit to remove the need for that? |
| 01:02:03 | linuxstb | (commit to Rockbox) |
| 01:02:10 | DerPapst | yes |
| 01:02:54 | linuxstb | And I guess it will also need updating to load Rockbox for the 1g and 2g. |
| 01:03:11 | linuxstb | (it won't recognise the header in the .ipod files) |
| 01:03:34 | DerPapst | ah.. haven't thought of that. |
| 01:03:59 | * | DerPapst wonders where they are... |
| 01:04:12 | * | bluebrother wonders if someone would be interested in creating some fancy side graphics for rbutil's windows |
| 01:04:28 | DerPapst | found them... |
| 01:05:07 | DerPapst | simply adding them to static char* rockboxIDs[]? can it really be that easy? |
| 01:06:15 | DerPapst | not quiet i guess... |
| 01:08:48 | DerPapst | anyways... |
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| 01:09:14 | * | DerPapst stops talking to himself and goes to sleep instead. |
| 01:09:29 | DerPapst | good night everyone ;) |
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| 01:12:06 | linuxstb | You'll also need to initialise "sum" to 19 - the model number for the ipod1g/2g. And it's a single ID - "1g2g" |
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| 01:15:32 | linuxstb | soap: Did you say you have a candidate for the standard codec test track? |
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| 01:20:41 | Soap_ | yes, it is at home while I am on the road |
| 01:21:05 | linuxstb | So I assume you can't access it? |
| 01:21:42 | linuxstb | I think it's about time we stopped searching for the perfect track and just picked something... |
| 01:21:53 | Soap_ | it is a meta-track. made of a classical, a rock, a hip-hop, and an electronic piece from archive.org's Open-source CC-SA archve. |
| 01:22:14 | Soap_ | when the wife gets home from school I'll see if I can't talk her through FTPing it for me. |
| 01:22:35 | scorche | rdp/ssh is handy for that =) |
| 01:22:50 | linuxstb | Don't worry about it - we've waited this long... (unless you're on the road for 6 months) |
| 01:22:52 | Soap_ | it fails the > 200 kbps LAME -V2 test, but it looks decent on a frequency graph |
| 01:23:17 | Soap_ | I should be home friday night or Satuday morning depending on how up to the drive I feel Friday. |
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| 01:23:42 | Soap_ | scorche, my home computer is 450 MHz, RDP is really pushing it. ;) |
| 01:24:07 | linuxstb | You could run sshd in Cygwin... |
| 01:24:23 | scorche | Soap_: it may take an hour while it refreshes, but you would at least get it done |
| 01:24:31 | scorche | and ssh doesnt take much |
| 01:24:53 | Soap_ | ssh I could do I guess |
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| 01:25:12 | amiconn | Looks like my interrupt drived ADC scan is working :D |
| 01:25:16 | amiconn | *driven |
| 01:25:24 | linuxstb | Nice. |
| 01:25:45 | linuxstb | Did you say that it's just used for battery monitoring? |
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| 01:26:05 | amiconn | yes |
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| 01:26:25 | linuxstb | And that's currently twice a second? |
| 01:26:35 | amiconn | But a conversion can take several milliseconds, so the interrupt driven read yields while waiting for the result |
| 01:29:30 | amiconn | The 1st gen adc is way faster (well, according to my understanding of the flash rom disassembly |
| 01:30:10 | amiconn | It uses delay loops in the range of a few cycles (up to 80 - I guess that's at 24MHz so I used 320 for now) |
| 01:31:16 | amiconn | The 2nd gen uses delay loops of 2500 loop cycles, plus it is supposed to wait for the ready bit, but that's broken if I am not totally wrong with my interpretation |
| 01:32:15 | amiconn | Just delay loops weren't enough to get a stable readout - I had to implement waiting for the ready bit, which was what made me think about using interrupts for this wait |
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| 01:41:26 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What's the deal with priority_yield() vs. yield()? |
| 01:41:35 | amiconn | I.e. which one should I use... |
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| 01:44:28 | Soap_ | is exploring exactly what svn revision is causing problems on the Nano with Apple FW version 1.3.1 wanted? |
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| 02:15:15 | maddler | hi all! :D |
| 02:15:30 | * | maddler just discovered rockbox! :D |
| 02:15:38 | Soul-Slayer | Ello |
| 02:15:41 | maddler | :) |
| 02:16:00 | maddler | beside I'm unable to mount my e260 on my Ubuntu 7.04 box :) |
| 02:16:15 | maddler | everything looks fine on the device... |
| 02:16:45 | maddler | and in /var/log/messages: Jul 31 02:14:42 aubergine kernel: [24451.928000] usb 5-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address <nn> |
| 02:16:55 | maddler | where "<nn>" keeps being incremented... |
| 02:17:02 | maddler | bot nothing more... |
| 02:17:05 | maddler | any clue? |
| 02:18:26 | scorche | maddler: you need to use the OF (original firmware) for USB |
| 02:18:39 | maddler | ? |
| 02:18:44 | Soul-Slayer | USB support has yet to be implemented to Rockbox |
| 02:18:51 | maddler | doh! |
| 02:18:57 | Soul-Slayer | You need to go into the old firmware and use USB from that until it's added ^^ |
| 02:19:11 | maddler | sad... :( |
| 02:19:21 | maddler | rockbox looks _GREAT_! |
| 02:19:39 | maddler | so... I'm supposed to go back and forth with sansapatcher? |
| 02:19:46 | maddler | right? |
| 02:19:53 | Soul-Slayer | I'm under the impression dual boot is implemented... |
| 02:19:54 | Soap_ | no, there is dual-boot |
| 02:20:19 | Soul-Slayer | Hold down the Left button while it boots up |
| 02:20:23 | Soul-Slayer | Should boot you into the OF |
| 02:20:52 | maddler | lemme try |
| 02:21:06 | maddler | since sansapatcher won't work... ;) |
| 02:21:32 | Soul-Slayer | You'll only need sansapatcher again now if a new bootloader is released, or if you decide to remove Rockbox entirely. |
| 02:21:45 | maddler | good... |
| 02:22:16 | maddler | btw... sansapatcher is actually complaining about no E200 connected or not in UMS mode... |
| 02:22:19 | maddler | is that fine? |
| 02:22:55 | maddler | I know... I should read the FAQ... :) |
| 02:23:47 | Soul-Slayer | It will unless you're in the OF, I believe |
| 02:24:01 | Soul-Slayer | *Doesn't own a sansa but assumes it won't find it if it's not connected* ^^ |
| 02:26:09 | maddler | hehehe... it's connected of course... |
| 02:26:32 | maddler | ok... sansapatcher works once in OF :) |
| 02:26:52 | Soul-Slayer | ^^ |
| 02:27:31 | maddler | a BIG thank you to whoever is involved in rockbox development!!! |
| 02:27:36 | maddler | :D |
| 02:28:36 | Soul-Slayer | Enjoy ^^. |
| 02:30:35 | maddler | hehehe... |
| 02:30:45 | maddler | I'd be happy to contribute somehow... |
| 02:31:01 | maddler | but considering I'm everything but a programmer... :) |
| 02:31:01 | Soul-Slayer | Know C? :P |
| 02:31:08 | maddler | dunno... some beer? :DDDDD |
| 02:31:15 | maddler | or some real italian pizza? |
| 02:31:16 | maddler | :D |
| 02:31:32 | Soul-Slayer | Well if you wish to donate beer I'm sure nobody will complain |
| 02:31:40 | maddler | hahaha... |
| 02:31:51 | maddler | I bet! |
| 02:32:40 | Soap_ | room 21, Davis Motel, under the strip club, Salem Ohio. Large with black olives and extra garlic |
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| 02:32:53 | Soap_ | I'll be sure to share with those who actually do the work here. |
| 02:33:23 | Soul-Slayer | Naturally :p. |
| 02:33:32 | scorche | there is a paypal button on the rockbox main page...we use it to fund our meetings together and for hardware as needed, if you are really anxious o contribute =) |
| 02:37:44 | Soul-Slayer | Do manuals rebuild whenever they are updated? |
| 02:38:02 | scorche | they are built daily iirc |
| 02:38:07 | maddler | Soap_: are you a developer? can you prove it? :D |
| 02:38:13 | Soul-Slayer | Ah thats okay. |
| 02:38:17 | scorche | maddler: he isnt =) |
| 02:38:36 | maddler | hehehehe |
| 02:38:41 | maddler | Soap_: are you cheating?! |
| 02:38:52 | maddler | well... you coult try to bribe me... :D |
| 02:38:54 | scorche | he is a significant figure though....someone who is involved in the project =) |
| 02:39:07 | Soul-Slayer | Thats the role I wish to achieve some day :P |
| 02:39:13 | Soap_ | I said I'd pass some pizza on to those who do the actual work... |
| 02:39:16 | Soul-Slayer | I made it into the credits *proud* |
| 02:39:30 | maddler | :D |
| 02:39:31 | scorche | you can identify people involved with the project by looking at their hostmask |
| 02:40:00 | maddler | scorche: ok... :) |
| 02:40:05 | Soul-Slayer | EG. |
| 02:40:06 | scorche | eg, soap's says n=Soap@rockbox/staff/soap |
| 02:40:07 | Soul-Slayer | Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche |
| 02:40:12 | maddler | /foreach user /who |
| 02:40:15 | maddler | :DDD |
| 02:40:21 | Soap_ | which is shorthand for "worthless bitch" |
| 02:40:33 | Soap_ | well, except in SodEater's case |
| 02:40:49 | Soap_ | and, well, everyone else with that hostmask but Soap |
| 02:40:57 | Soul-Slayer | Lo |
| 02:41:03 | scorche | naw...meant for manual writers, support people, "experts", people who are generally involved with the project |
| 02:41:22 | sharpe | eh, i don't have a hostmask like that :) |
| 02:41:28 | scorche | there is contributor, staff, developer, and administrator |
| 02:41:38 | scorche | sharpe: you have been gone for a long time... |
| 02:41:42 | sharpe | yep. |
| 02:41:50 | scorche | and before i "took over" irc |
| 02:41:56 | Soul-Slayer | How can I earn me a contributor hostmask :P? |
| 02:41:57 | sharpe | yep. |
| 02:42:08 | sharpe | contribute seems reasonable |
| 02:42:23 | maddler | btw... if you need an e260 beta tester... drop me a line... |
| 02:42:38 | scorche | requirements for the contributor is to have your name in the credits |
| 02:42:52 | Soul-Slayer | My name is in the credits, I want my cookie :( |
| 02:42:54 | scorche | i am thining about adding donator as well for paypal... |
| 02:44:07 | Llorean | Soap_: We know which revisions are causing it. |
| 02:44:10 | sharpe | honestly i think i'd be better off at working on backend stuff (webserver-wise, or rockbox even), but as far as i know we don't need any of that, do we? |
| 02:44:13 | Llorean | re the Nano problem |
| 02:44:36 | Soul-Slayer | maddler: You can try going through the Sansa bug reports and verifying them, if they've given steps to reproduce |
| 02:44:51 | Soap_ | sub $1000 = donator. $1000-$5000 = GoldenDonator, >$5000 = PlatinumClubDonator with access to the VIP lounge and champagne room? |
| 02:44:57 | Soap_ | really Llorean? |
| 02:45:18 | Soap_ | Dang, I just built 20 some odd nano versions for nothing? ;) |
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| 02:45:49 | Llorean | Soap_: It's one of amiconn's clock speed changes, though I can't remember which off the top of my head. |
| 02:46:03 | Llorean | I think there's even a reasonable certainty on the diagnosis for why it causes a problem |
| 02:47:17 | Soap_ | I have 1.3, not 1.3.1 on my Nano. I'll be honest and say I haven't upgraded my Nano for a while. Is 1.3 of value for testing once a fix comes up, or is 1.3.1 the only one with issues? |
| 02:47:26 | Soap_ | iTunes does not offer me an upgrade past 1.3 |
| 02:48:01 | maddler | Soul-Slayer: ok... I'll give a look... :D |
| 02:48:15 | maddler | damn... this stuff _really_ rocks!!! |
| 02:48:21 | maddler | and I mean *REALLY*!! |
| 02:48:22 | maddler | :D |
| 02:48:52 | sharpe | maddler: what rocks? |
| 02:49:01 | maddler | rockbox! what else?! :D |
| 02:49:10 | sharpe | oh, right, haha. |
| 02:49:20 | Llorean | Soap_: I'm pretty sure both 1.3 and 1.3.1 should show the problems on Nano. If you check the thread in the forum I've posted two test builds, the first should work the second should fail, and any build after like... 14004 or so should fail. Maybe 14003. |
| 02:49:23 | maddler | I'm literally amazed with all the funtions/options/freedom it has!!! |
| 02:50:15 | Llorean | Soap_: Assuming memory is serving me correctly on those revision numbers |
| 02:50:15 | maddler | I bought e260 today... and I was kinda happy with OF... |
| 02:50:30 | maddler | but rockbox makes it the definitive player!!! |
| 02:51:02 | Llorean | maddler: Only if you haven't been spoiled on the more mature Rockbox players. :-P |
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| 02:52:38 | maddler | Llorean: ...? |
| 02:52:51 | maddler | Llorean: which player? :) |
| 02:53:00 | maddler | tell me! |
| 02:53:02 | maddler | :DDDDDDDDDD |
| 02:53:39 | Soul-Slayer | Any of the older ones |
| 02:53:55 | sharpe | maddler: i think he means the ones that have been in development for much longer than the newer players |
| 02:54:07 | Llorean | maddler: H100, H300, X5, M5, or Toshiba Gigabeat. |
| 02:54:10 | Soul-Slayer | The iriver H100/H300's are highly commended, and the gigabeat imo |
| 02:54:20 | maddler | oh... yup.. |
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| 02:54:21 | Llorean | The Archoses are also very mature, but due to their processors are not quite as feature rich. |
| 02:55:09 | Soul-Slayer | And the fact you could build a house out of them tends to put people off. |
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| 02:55:22 | sharpe | that'd be an interesting project |
| 02:55:30 | Soul-Slayer | Heh |
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| 02:55:51 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: I actually like players with some momentum to them when the time comes to explain things to certain users. :-P |
| 02:56:19 | Soul-Slayer | Heh ;) |
| 02:56:39 | pixelma | the Ondio is quite small... |
| 02:58:34 | pixelma | but maybe I interpreted "build a house of it" the wrong way - wouldn't make me wonder today |
| 02:59:03 | sharpe | comparable to bricks is what came to mind for me |
| 02:59:05 | Llorean | pixelma: I'm betting he was only referring to the JBRv1 / Player |
| 02:59:41 | pixelma | well, you only said "Archoses"... |
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| 03:00:10 | Llorean | Well yeah, *I* meant all of 'em. But a lot of people forget the Ondios (including me from time to time, I'm sad to say) |
| 03:01:41 | pixelma | and he only said "them" - but anyways, I just wanted to drop a good word for my player before I'm off ;) |
| 03:02:21 | Soul-Slayer | I did mean all of them yes, you could still build a kennel or something out of Ondios :p |
| 03:02:35 | Soul-Slayer | Admittedly it wouldn't be very water tight with it's... Unique... Shape |
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| 03:03:51 | Chronon | Greetings. I just signed up for a Twiki account and I was wondering if someone could give me write permission. |
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| 03:13:53 | Soul-Slayer | Anyone know the average battery life on the Sansa? |
| 03:14:40 | sharpe | according to the wiki, maybe about 11 hours? |
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| 03:15:01 | advcomp2019 | i get about 18 to 21 hours with my sansa e280r |
| 03:15:05 | Llorean | Some people have claimed 14-15, and with frequency scaling now, it might even reach that. Depends an awful lot on the conditions though |
| 03:15:13 | Llorean | advcomp2019: With Rockbox? |
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| 03:15:34 | advcomp2019 | i cant rockbox my r series |
| 03:15:46 | Llorean | Ah, didn't see the R |
| 03:15:54 | Soul-Slayer | Not if it's an R. Can someone take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7449 ? I'm not sure if it should be closed or not, there's little information given |
| 03:17:06 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: Leave it for now, see if he provides something useful. Since he's in active conversation still. |
| 03:17:20 | Soul-Slayer | Which does make a nice change =$ |
| 03:17:23 | advcomp2019 | i am waiting for rockbox for the r series |
| 03:17:33 | Llorean | advcomp2019: If everyone with an R just waits, it'll never happen. |
| 03:17:34 | Soul-Slayer | advcomp2019: Could be waiting a long time |
| 03:17:55 | Soul-Slayer | Alright it didn't take two of us to emphasise that point, my bad ^^. |
| 03:18:40 | Soul-Slayer | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200R But theres some info on it incase you're wondering why. |
| 03:18:49 | maddler | any plan for USB support on e260? :) |
| 03:18:55 | Battousai | i get about 11 hours on my sansa, yeah |
| 03:19:03 | maddler | kinda frustrating to have to reboot to OF in order to upload files... |
| 03:19:04 | Soul-Slayer | maddler: I doubt it's just being left off :p |
| 03:19:16 | maddler | hehe |
| 03:19:18 | Soul-Slayer | Most likely buried in a todo list somewhere |
| 03:19:24 | maddler | just curious... :) |
| 03:19:29 | advcomp2019 | one thing i do not like with the OF is the voice recorder recording in wav format |
| 03:19:44 | aliask | maddler: Someone is working on it right now |
| 03:20:00 | Soul-Slayer | There we go ^^ |
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| 03:20:38 | Chronon | I just registered for a Twiki account under the user name: "JustinHannigan". Can someone give me write permission? |
| 03:20:45 | maddler | ok... more beer on the go! :D |
| 03:20:50 | aliask | Chronon: Just a sec |
| 03:21:00 | Chronon | ok, aliask. |
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| 03:22:15 | aliask | Chronon: Should be good to go |
| 03:22:54 | Chronon | aliask: Thank you! |
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| 03:26:23 | advcomp2019 | i know a lot of people with the r series that wants rockbox... i tell them to wait or try to get the non r series |
| 03:26:38 | Soul-Slayer | Or you could ask them to help port it ^^ |
| 03:28:01 | Battousai | to help entertain yourself as you pass the time, you could ask sandisk to do it |
| 03:28:26 | advcomp2019 | they are not programmer or smart enough to play do it tho |
| 03:29:58 | saratoga | advcomp2019: basically, find someone with an R series to do it or accept that it will never happen |
| 03:30:16 | saratoga | also, does anyone know if the battery bench issues on the Sansa were solved? |
| 03:30:20 | gxti | rockbox failed me on the drive home today |
| 03:30:47 | sharpe | gxti: pray tell why |
| 03:30:51 | gxti | it started skipping, then crashed, and did all kinds of nasty things ... of course, this was a month-old build because the latest ones won't even play :p |
| 03:31:10 | sharpe | oh noes! |
| 03:31:25 | Soul-Slayer | gxti: Target :o? |
| 03:31:36 | gxti | ipod nano |
| 03:32:11 | Soul-Slayer | A flash based player started skipping, youch |
| 03:33:06 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: There are IDE timing issues right now |
| 03:33:16 | gxti | yep... one song it was playing fine, the next it was jumping forward rapidly, a bit of fiddling and it locked up, then dumped core :P |
| 03:33:16 | Llorean | gxti: So, the same kinds of symptoms? |
| 03:33:20 | Soul-Slayer | On a build a month old? |
| 03:33:25 | Llorean | There's no "dumped core" |
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| 03:33:31 | Llorean | Please state clearly what happened. |
| 03:33:35 | gxti | well, it didn't dump core... it was some error to that effect |
| 03:33:55 | Llorean | There's no error that includes the word "Core" as far as I know. |
| 03:34:03 | advcomp2019 | i have a r series but i do not want to brick it |
| 03:34:06 | Llorean | There are illegal instructions, data aborts, and several others. |
| 03:34:07 | gxti | i know. i don't remember what it said, but i think it had 'dump' in it |
| 03:34:11 | gxti | data abort. that's it. |
| 03:34:28 | gxti | ... somehow, data + abort turned into 'dump' in my mind |
| 03:34:37 | Llorean | It may very well be the IDE timing issue. What you may want to do is boot the apple firmware just once, then boot the old build of Rockbox. |
| 03:34:47 | Llorean | And see if that keeps your iPod stable for a while |
| 03:35:01 | gxti | hmm, i just booted it up and it's playing again |
| 03:35:17 | gxti | which is odd, because i reset it a few times earlier and it got worse |
| 03:35:59 | gxti | it must have powered down completely at some point (it wouldn't stay off) |
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| 03:37:41 | AnthonyMa | hi guys. i just registered a wiki account to upload a theme i just created, but it seems i need permissions set first by someone. is there anyone on at the moment that can help me out? |
| 03:38:10 | aliask | Sure - what's your wiki name? |
| 03:38:22 | mag | Can anyone send me a link to the EVILG build bootscreen bmp? He apparently released them for the latest build, but I have no idea where to find them. |
| 03:38:25 | AnthonyMa | AnthonyMa |
| 03:38:52 | aliask | AnthonyMa: Should be done. |
| 03:39:04 | AnthonyMa | thanks a lot |
| 03:39:10 | AnthonyMa | mag: here's a link to the latest one http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8740.msg88629 |
| 03:39:24 | AnthonyMa | 4th post from the top |
| 03:41:08 | mag | do you need to be registered to see links in posts on rockbox forums? |
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| 03:42:44 | sharpe | i don't believe so |
| 03:42:57 | Soul-Slayer | Links, no, attachments, possibly |
| 03:43:21 | AnthonyMa | mag: http://xs217.xs.to/xs217/07312/rockboxlogo.320x240x16-fusion_new.png |
| 03:43:40 | sharpe | you definitely do for atachments... |
| 03:43:47 | sharpe | attachments, eh. |
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| 03:44:27 | Llorean | The attachment has been removed anyway |
| 03:44:31 | Llorean | I missed spotting it. |
| 03:44:43 | Llorean | I'm really, seriously tired of people renaming file extensions to bypass the limitations on attachments |
| 03:45:06 | Llorean | Do they honestly think it's going to simply be okay if they rename it, because the name is what I set the limitations in place for? |
| 03:45:13 | Llorean | Yes, I'm horribly offended by the term "zip" |
| 03:45:55 | Soul-Slayer | I wouldn't have thought so, but apparently people do. |
| 03:46:16 | Soul-Slayer | Which file types are allowed? |
| 03:46:21 | mag | tysm anthonyma!! <3 |
| 03:46:39 | Llorean | txt,pdf,jpg,gif,png,c,h,doc,bin,cfg |
| 03:47:20 | Llorean | txt for logs, pdf for datasheets (though I'm tempted to remove that since the wiki is there for that), jpg/gif/png for compressed screenshots, .c/.h for code snippets in discussion |
| 03:47:52 | Llorean | .doc because I was told some important information has been found only in .doc in the past, .bin for a reason I can't remember, and .cfg because we end up asking to see the contents of those too often |
| 03:47:58 | Llorean | Basically it's restricted to "fairly small files" too. |
| 03:48:18 | Llorean | I've run out of space in the avatar/attachment directory a few times as it is. |
| 03:48:19 | Soul-Slayer | I was just thinking, bin is a fairly random extension to allow |
| 03:48:37 | Llorean | .bin is what gets used for dumps of flash and such |
| 03:49:15 | Soul-Slayer | Well, logs can be put in pastebin, as can cfg's |
| 03:49:28 | Soul-Slayer | jpg, gif, png, plenty of image hosting sites around.. |
| 03:49:56 | Llorean | Yes, but in both of those cases, *we're* asking them for the file |
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| 03:50:02 | Llorean | So we should provide a location for them to put that file. |
| 03:50:16 | Soul-Slayer | True enough.. C and H files we wouldn't though, would we? |
| 03:50:19 | Llorean | As a general rule, things are allowed because they're files we'll ask users for. |
| 03:50:24 | Soul-Slayer | Hmm |
| 03:50:28 | Llorean | Yeah, I'm not entirely sure why .c and .h made the list |
| 03:50:36 | Llorean | I think they were on the list before I took over so I grandfathered 'em in. |
| 03:50:44 | Soul-Slayer | Fair enough. |
| 03:51:13 | Soul-Slayer | How much webspace is available to forums.rockbox.org? |
| 03:51:33 | Llorean | I dunno |
| 03:51:38 | Llorean | It's donated space, and I haven't been told. |
| 03:51:47 | Soul-Slayer | Understood. |
| 03:51:56 | Llorean | The attachment directory was 10mb, I doubled it to 20 at one point, and nobody's complained. |
| 03:52:00 | Llorean | But I don't want to expand beyond that. |
| 03:52:24 | Soul-Slayer | No, well, the only file type that sounds like it could potentially horde that space is PDF |
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| 03:53:07 | Soul-Slayer | Although I can't be sure on the size of bin files as I've never needed them. |
| 03:53:28 | Llorean | Depends on what it's dumped from. |
| 03:56:26 | mag | can anyone who has a 5g iPOD and who uses the EVILG build help me change the bootscreen? |
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| 03:57:56 | Llorean | mag: Questions about unsupported builds should be asked in their thread |
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| 04:00:41 | Soul-Slayer | Ack, I said I'd test pondlifes patch... Can't remember the number... *Runs to the logs* |
| 04:01:36 | Soul-Slayer | Panic over. :P |
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| 04:06:00 | maddler | ok... time to hit the bed... 4am here... |
| 04:06:05 | maddler | later dudes! |
| 04:06:09 | Soul-Slayer | Night |
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| 04:18:55 | EbErT | im looking at toshiba gigabeats on ebay. Can anyone tell me the main cause for them to just "not power up"? seeing a couple of those |
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| 04:19:43 | aliask | I don't know that there's a "main cause", but if anyone would know it'd be toffe82 when he's online |
| 04:20:19 | Soul-Slayer | EbErT: Have they detailed anything else? |
| 04:20:34 | EbErT | no |
| 04:20:54 | EbErT | there are like 4 i've seen, "wont power up" is the only answer |
| 04:21:04 | Soul-Slayer | Can you link me to one? |
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| 04:22:36 | EbErT | hold on |
| 04:23:47 | EbErT | http://cgi.ebay.com/Toshiba-Gigabeat-MEG-F20-20GB-Parts-or-Repair_W0QQitemZ260144129007QQihZ016QQcategoryZ75463QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 04:23:53 | EbErT | that's one i hadn't seen yet |
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| 04:23:57 | EbErT | there are many it seems |
| 04:27:07 | Soul-Slayer | Well, for starters you wouldn't want that as it comes without accessories (AC charger is proprietary and, although not necessary, nice to have)... I guess it depends how adventurous you are... It gives no real information as you said, I've never heard of a case of one 'just not powering up', possibly a bad battery, which are easy enough to replace if you can find one designed for it... It's still a risk though |
| 04:27:40 | DogBoy | where do I look to see what codecs are supported |
| 04:27:54 | Soul-Slayer | Name a codec, it's probably supported. |
| 04:28:20 | Soul-Slayer | But it'll be detailed in the wiki and more than likely the manual too. |
| 04:28:28 | DogBoy | heh |
| 04:28:31 | DogBoy | where |
| 04:28:52 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status |
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| 04:29:12 | DogBoy | thank you |
| 04:30:11 | DogBoy | ah so no real audio then eh |
| 04:30:31 | saratoga | which real audio did you want? |
| 04:31:02 | DogBoy | not sure |
| 04:31:13 | saratoga | i think theres some interest in cook, and of course aac will work already if you put it in mp4 |
| 04:31:39 | DogBoy | how can I tell which kind the file uses? |
| 04:31:54 | Soul-Slayer | What extension are your files? |
| 04:32:02 | DogBoy | rm |
| 04:32:45 | DogBoy | AUDIO: 22050 Hz, 1 ch, s16le, 20.7 kbit/5.86% (ratio: 2583->44100) |
| 04:32:45 | DogBoy | Selected audio codec: [ffcook] afm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg COOK audio decoder) |
| 04:32:56 | DogBoy | hmm |
| 04:33:38 | Soul-Slayer | Cook is not yet implemented, so they won't work, no. |
| 04:34:32 | DogBoy | oh well |
| 04:34:44 | DogBoy | I can use real player on my palm pilot |
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| 05:45:36 | aliask | I'm still having problems with that stack overflow in the gigabeat s bootloader. I'm actualling thinking there may be some problem in the linking of the binary, could that be a cause of a stack overflow? |
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| 05:54:02 | jhMikeS | aliask: It's the svn one right? I haven't had a single problem with it after fixing the tick task issue. |
| 05:59:56 | aliask | jhMikeS: This is for the Gigabeat S |
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| 06:02:24 | Veralis | Can anybody help me with cygwin and compiling rockbox? Or can anyone do it for me if i send you the patched source code? |
| 06:05:10 | Llorean | Veralis: What problem are you having. |
| 06:05:51 | Veralis | When I go to compile, it says "cc1: Invalid option 'long-calls'" |
| 06:06:03 | Veralis | Right after "Header parsed" |
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| 06:10:06 | Llorean | How did you set up cygwin? |
| 06:10:14 | jhMikeS | aliask: right :) misread that. |
| 06:10:19 | Veralis | Anybody willing to help? |
| 06:10:45 | jhMikeS | Veralis: out of date gcc version? |
| 06:10:45 | aliask | jhMikeS: But perhaps this is related - how was the tick timer causing stack overflows? |
| 06:11:25 | jhMikeS | aliask: It wasn't. It was causing panics when the backlight driver tried adding a tick task. kernel_init hadn't yet been called. |
| 06:11:27 | Veralis | Im not sure... |
| 06:11:35 | Veralis | I've never done this kind of stuff before... |
| 06:11:37 | erifneer1 | jw, but with the tracker clean up, are patches more likely to be added? |
| 06:12:03 | jhMikeS | veralis: which build? |
| 06:12:08 | Veralis | ? |
| 06:12:32 | Veralis | Not sure? |
| 06:12:33 | Llorean | Veralis: How did you set up cygwin? What method did you use to install the cross-compilers |
| 06:12:37 | jhMikeS | which device are you making for? |
| 06:12:53 | Veralis | The ones on the rockbox sites, and the Gigabeat. |
| 06:13:28 | Veralis | The automatic method, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler#Step_2a_Automatic_build and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 06:13:33 | jhMikeS | the gigabeat is giving that? |
| 06:13:44 | Veralis | No, cygwin when I try to compile. |
| 06:13:48 | jhMikeS | ah |
| 06:14:21 | Llorean | Veralis: Type arm-elf-gcc −−version |
| 06:14:36 | Veralis | 2.95.3 |
| 06:14:42 | erifneer1 | could someone give me a tip to get my patch (7111) to be included |
| 06:14:45 | erifneer1 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7111 |
| 06:15:00 | jhMikeS | is long-calls even a valid non-arm option? |
| 06:15:04 | Llorean | Veralis: You did something wrong, that should be 4.0.3 |
| 06:15:14 | Veralis | Crap... |
| 06:15:16 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Gigabeat is ARM |
| 06:15:27 | Veralis | Um, anyone want to compile it for me? |
| 06:15:27 | jhMikeS | He said he was compiling cygwin. |
| 06:15:43 | jhMikeS | or that's how I misinterpreted it |
| 06:15:57 | Llorean | Veralis: You're better off figuring things out. |
| 06:16:01 | Llorean | Or maybe try the VMWare solution |
| 06:16:21 | Llorean | Otherwise any time Rockbox gets a new feature, or important bug fix, you'll be asking the same question |
| 06:17:00 | erifneer1 | so no love for the podcast patch? |
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| 06:19:16 | erifneer1 | lols |
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| 07:53:01 | TiMiD[FD] | I wonder why the clock plugin stores it's setings into arrays instead of a struct ... |
| 07:53:25 | TiMiD[FD] | operation unbloat |
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| 08:48:34 | GodEater_ | morning folks |
| 08:48:55 | aliask | Morning! |
| 08:49:16 | JdGordon | holy crap! |
| 08:49:24 | aliask | Holy crap?! |
| 08:49:31 | JdGordon | uh, i mean morning! |
| 08:49:39 | JdGordon | stupid typos |
| 08:49:45 | aliask | :) |
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| 08:51:02 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: I took your point on board about my patch yesterday, and moved the .links file it creates/uses to the root directory. Since the plugin is also a viewer, you can launch it just by clicking on that file, which makes it a lot quicker to access. |
| 08:51:16 | GodEater_ | s/.links/.link |
| 08:51:49 | GodEater_ | although to keep amiconn and other "more root directory clutter" anti-fans happy - the file is only created if you choose to run the plugin, otherwise it's never there. |
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| 08:55:12 | aarongoltz | Hello |
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| 08:56:54 | JdGordon | GodEater_: ok, that sounds a bit more useful :) |
| 08:57:26 | GodEater_ | indeed - I actually found myself using it yesterday, something I didn't think I'd do ;) |
| 08:58:19 | aarongoltz | I have an update on my issue |
| 08:58:34 | JdGordon | so is it actually going to get commited? or just sit in the tracker? |
| 08:58:35 | aarongoltz | I just tried installing the regular Ipod Video Rockbox firmware on my Ipod, and it worked fine |
| 08:58:47 | aarongoltz | When I tried the 64 meg version, it crashes the Ipod again |
| 08:59:16 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: well, a) it needs testing more, b) I still need to write the feature that allows you to delete favourites from the file when you get bored of them, and c) I have no commit access |
| 08:59:32 | JdGordon | all valid points :) |
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| 09:00:00 | GodEater_ | hehe |
| 09:01:11 | aarongoltz | Is there something in the 64 meg version that accesses anything in my Ipod that might be broken, that the 32 meg version doesn't access? |
| 09:01:22 | * | GodEater_ is hoping to earn his developer badge doing this or similar work though |
| 09:02:04 | GodEater_ | aarongoltz: yes, another 32MB of memory |
| 09:02:10 | midgey34 | aarongoltz: what is the size of your hard drive in you iPod? |
| 09:02:16 | aarongoltz | 60 gig |
| 09:02:23 | aarongoltz | Maybe some of my memory is bad |
| 09:02:30 | aarongoltz | and the 32 meg version doesn't access it |
| 09:02:56 | GodEater_ | aarongoltz: did you acquire this ipod from new as a 60GB, or has someone upgraded the hd in it ? |
| 09:03:00 | aarongoltz | I didn't have problems using the Apple OS, but I'm going to test it now playing a video file |
| 09:03:10 | aarongoltz | It was a new 60 gig Ipod |
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| 09:03:37 | aarongoltz | And like I said, I was running 64 megs for a long time, since the 64 meg addition came about |
| 09:03:39 | GodEater_ | interesting - maybe apple only upped the memory halfway through the production run |
| 09:03:43 | aarongoltz | Without problems until a few days ago |
| 09:03:52 | GodEater_ | that's very weird |
| 09:03:53 | aarongoltz | Well, I did have my logic board replaced |
| 09:04:00 | GodEater_ | ah |
| 09:04:03 | aarongoltz | Could they have replaced it with a 32 meg board? |
| 09:04:09 | GodEater_ | very possibly |
| 09:04:12 | aarongoltz | Best Buy sent it out |
| 09:04:39 | aarongoltz | Is there any way for me to tell the amount of memory it currently has? |
| 09:04:42 | GodEater_ | I've never actually heard of someone getting their ipod repaired before |
| 09:04:46 | GodEater_ | usually you just get a new one |
| 09:05:08 | aarongoltz | Yeah, Apple store is cool like that, but it turns out I didn't have a replacement plan at Best Buy, but a service plan |
| 09:05:14 | GodEater_ | aarongoltz: I think the fact that the 64MB build crashes says it all |
| 09:05:19 | aarongoltz | They don't just hand out mp3 players anymore, only Xbox's and PS3 |
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| 09:05:51 | aarongoltz | Does anyone know roughly when 64 meg version came about? |
| 09:06:10 | GodEater_ | about two weeks after the introduction of the 80GB build IIRC |
| 09:06:16 | aarongoltz | Since many months ago, after the logic board replacement, I went to reinstall Rockbox, and I think I ended up using an old version |
| 09:06:27 | aarongoltz | Since i had the same problem |
| 09:06:44 | aarongoltz | I left my Ipod in the freezer for 6 hours last night and it didn't break, unfortunately |
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| 09:07:42 | aarongoltz | Well then I guess I will try to research and see if there are 60 gig versions that aren't 64 megs, or if Best Buy just gave me a 32 meg logic board |
| 09:09:11 | GodEater_ | wth is this leaving it in the freezer thing? Where's that come from suddenly ? |
| 09:09:50 | aarongoltz | A couple years ago, when I was a student in Denver, I took my 3G Ipod which has a messed up screen, stuck it in 3 ziplocks, then in the freezer for 4 hours |
| 09:10:08 | aarongoltz | When I took it out, it had a frowney face, and Apple sent me a new Ipod about 5 days later |
| 09:10:26 | aarongoltz | But this morning when I took out my video, it was freezing cold, and went right on |
| 09:10:35 | GodEater_ | "messed up screen" ? |
| 09:10:51 | JdGordon | what is everyones opinions on 2653 (with a bit of midification)? (choose the insert/queue option when selecting a file) |
| 09:11:10 | aarongoltz | THere was corrosion to the screen cover so it was very hard to read without the backlight on |
| 09:12:29 | aarongoltz | I can't believe I've spent almost 20 hours trying to fix this all to discover that I might not have 64 megs of ram. I'm loading up the 32 meg version to confirm that it runs very well |
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| 09:15:20 | aarongoltz | I don't know anything about the way Rockbox runs, but I'd like to throw out this theory |
| 09:16:16 | aarongoltz | When I would play a Flac file, it would crash after about 6-8 seconds. Mp3 would make it to a little bit longer. Once Rockbox tried loading the music into the Cache or ram, the second it tried to access the extra ram, it would crash |
| 09:16:21 | aarongoltz | Is that what was going on? |
| 09:20:05 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: doesn't 2653 completely change the standard action? Or am I just not understanding it ? |
| 09:20:18 | JdGordon | configuarble |
| 09:20:29 | GodEater_ | ah I see |
| 09:20:34 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Regarding the click-to-insert patch, I seem to recall a lot of people objecting to it. Personally, I don't mind - it seems a waste to me for most targets having two buttons (select and right) doing the same thing. |
| 09:21:18 | JdGordon | well llorean and bluebrother arnt here and they are the major objectors to configurable stuff... so i should fix and commit it before they get in :D |
| 09:21:40 | GodEater_ | hahaha |
| 09:21:45 | GodEater_ | they'll never know! |
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| 09:25:05 | GodEater_ | do long presses on a button generate a different ACTION event I can check for in my plugin ? |
| 09:25:28 | JdGordon | are you using the plug actions or direction button codes? |
| 09:25:53 | GodEater_ | rb->get_action |
| 09:26:16 | * | GodEater_ hopes this is the right answer =/ |
| 09:26:24 | JdGordon | yeah, then umm... some do |
| 09:26:32 | aarongoltz | I saw that you posted a while back in the forums saying that the 64 meg's larger playback buffer allowed for increased battery life. If I only play Flac files, would I notice any substantial increase? |
| 09:26:45 | petur | yes |
| 09:26:58 | JdGordon | what you can go is call rb->get_Action_code(&some_variable) and it will dump the actual button press into some_variable so you can check for |BUTTON_REPEAT |
| 09:27:58 | GodEater_ | I can't just check for ACTION_STD_CONTEXT ? |
| 09:28:32 | GodEater_ | which appears (on ipod at least) to be BUTTON_SELECT|BUTTON_REPEAT |
| 09:28:47 | GodEater_ | rather than the other action I'm checking for, which is ACTION_STD_OK |
| 09:29:15 | * | JdGordon not exactly sure what you want.... |
| 09:29:21 | GodEater_ | sure - sorry |
| 09:29:47 | GodEater_ | currently I check for ACTION_STD_CANCEL, and ACTION_STD_OK |
| 09:29:50 | JdGordon | also, remember, the button codes for the actions are not the same over all the targets... thats why it was introduced |
| 09:30:02 | GodEater_ | that's why I'm sticking to the ACTION_ codes |
| 09:30:08 | JdGordon | :) |
| 09:30:13 | GodEater_ | so I don't have to worry about the targets |
| 09:30:40 | GodEater_ | so I just want to add a check for ACTION_STD_CONTEXT |
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| 09:30:53 | GodEater_ | I think I have the answer to my question anyway ;) |
| 09:31:12 | JdGordon | nothing stopping you... all the ACTION_STD_* codes are almost always ok to check for |
| 09:31:19 | GodEater_ | cool |
| 09:31:24 | JdGordon | the other ones depends on what context your "in" |
| 09:31:34 | GodEater_ | this is for the "delete selected item" option that the plugin in missing currently |
| 09:31:48 | GodEater_ | this would be in my list widget |
| 09:32:47 | JdGordon | yeah, just add a case for _CONTEXT or _MENU would maybe be better |
| 09:33:24 | GodEater_ | perhaps you're right |
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| 09:44:48 | linuxstb | GodEater: Is there a reason your plugin can only bookmark folders, rather than files? Also, reading the task comments, why would manually editing the file be likely to break it? |
| 09:45:11 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: because my parsing code only looks for \n |
| 09:45:15 | GodEater_ | not for \r\n |
| 09:45:29 | JdGordon | why? |
| 09:45:35 | GodEater_ | because I'm dead lazy ;) |
| 09:45:36 | JdGordon | your not using rb->read_line? |
| 09:45:48 | GodEater_ | JdGordon: no - it seemed wasteful for file with at most 10 lines |
| 09:45:49 | linuxstb | I think that's worth fixing. One of the nice things of text files for config files is that they can be edited in any text editor... |
| 09:46:02 | GodEater_ | I shall mend it then |
| 09:46:09 | petur | aye |
| 09:46:18 | linuxstb | Also things like trailing spaces and slashes... |
| 09:46:21 | GodEater_ | also, folder favourites was all that was asked for |
| 09:46:48 | JdGordon | I havnt looked at the format, but you might like to use parse_settings() (or whetevr its called) if you have a format like the config files |
| 09:46:56 | GodEater_ | I haven't |
| 09:47:00 | JdGordon | oh well |
| 09:47:01 | GodEater_ | it's just a line with a path on it |
| 09:47:53 | petur | maybe the user wants to give it a fancy name (set it to the name of the dir by default)? |
| 09:48:25 | * | GodEater_ gets a pen |
| 09:48:45 | linuxstb | GodEater_: We're going to make you work for your developer badge ;) |
| 09:48:54 | petur | lol |
| 09:49:16 | * | GodEater_ doesn't object |
| 09:49:42 | GodEater_ | you think having it mark things other than folders is worth it though linuxstb ? isn't that what bookmarks are for ? |
| 09:50:23 | aarongoltz | Thanks for the help again tonight. I'm not going to let not having 64MB prevent me from being happy about having Rockbox running again |
| 09:51:43 | JdGordon | GodEater_: well, if your using set_)current_file() then there is no extra work for you |
| 09:52:07 | linuxstb | GodEater_: No, I think it's different to bookmarks. It just seemed a natural thing to do in your plugin - so in effect users can save both the folder and the position in the folder. |
| 09:52:26 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: okay - well that change is trivial at least |
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| 09:53:00 | * | GodEater_ hasn't looked at set_current_file() |
| 09:53:15 | GodEater_ | actually yes he has |
| 09:53:20 | JdGordon | isnt that wjat your using to get the fileborwser into the right folder? |
| 09:53:22 | GodEater_ | I think I need more coffee |
| 09:53:24 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 09:53:49 | GodEater_ | does anyone think having the context of the file tree accessible by external code is a bad thing ? |
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| 09:54:06 | JdGordon | ? |
| 09:54:08 | GodEater_ | I had to add a function to the tree code to allow it to be changed after the tree had been initialised |
| 09:54:25 | GodEater_ | specifically the dirfilter setting |
| 09:54:38 | GodEater_ | usually you set that when you call rockbox_browse I think |
| 09:54:45 | GodEater_ | and it's not then changed subsequently |
| 09:54:46 | linuxstb | Another thing.... Why is there a limit of 10 bookmarks? |
| 09:54:59 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: completely arbitrary |
| 09:55:25 | GodEater_ | it seemed silly to allow lots more than that - otherwise you'd spend more time hunting through your favourites file than you would have if you'd just browsed the file tree |
| 09:55:44 | linuxstb | True, but that's up to the user. |
| 09:56:01 | GodEater_ | ....I guess so. |
| 09:56:14 | linuxstb | But something like 50 could be better, and still easily fit within the Archos's 32KB of plugin RAM. |
| 09:56:48 | * | GodEater_ notes this to |
| 09:56:49 | GodEater_ | *too |
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| 10:00:39 | amiconn | jhMikeS: wow! |
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| 10:02:14 | pondlife | GodEater_: Just catching up here, are you going to use rb->read_line()? I think you should... |
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| 10:02:48 | GodEater_ | pondlife: well now that linuxstb thinks I should have more than 10 entries, it might make more sense |
| 10:03:14 | GodEater_ | it seemed inefficient earlier when it was such a small file, I thought reading it all in one go and then parsing it in memory was better |
| 10:03:18 | pondlife | Best to only have the newline parsing in one place. |
| 10:03:28 | GodEater_ | I think I'm convinced |
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| 10:03:45 | GodEater_ | will also rename it to shortcuts, just for you |
| 10:04:16 | pondlife | Not for me, for all the confused people who Llorean will have to explain it to... and for Llorean! |
| 10:05:05 | pondlife | Hmm, shouldn't the home page mention that the 1G/2G iPods are supported now they're in the build table? |
| 10:05:18 | linuxstb | No - there's no bootloader. |
| 10:05:23 | linuxstb | And probably no manual... |
| 10:05:23 | pondlife | Good point! |
| 10:05:29 | pondlife | points! |
| 10:05:42 | linuxstb | And no-one has tested it on the 1G... |
| 10:06:20 | GodEater_ | why are there two columns ? |
| 10:06:27 | linuxstb | The build was renamed |
| 10:07:43 | pondlife | Does anyone have a clue why voice use results in permanent CPU boost - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7447 ? |
| 10:09:07 | linuxstb | I can't remember anyone mentioning the reason - just that it happens |
| 10:09:50 | pondlife | I'll try and work out which commit introduced that feature - it hasn't always happened. |
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| 10:14:04 | B4gder | bug fs#7341 claims to contain a patch that fixes the problem, on ipod video |
| 10:14:28 | B4gder | "Freezes if booted with USB cable connected." |
| 10:14:48 | B4gder | there's a close request filed for it, but I don't think we should close until the code is in svn or rejected |
| 10:14:49 | * | GodEater_ would love that fix :) |
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| 10:16:02 | amiconn | pondlife: 1st gen needs some different inits I will add when I get mine to test it on |
| 10:16:54 | pixelma | pondlife: I think jhMikeS said why the 100% boost with voice happen |
| 10:17:04 | pondlife | jhMikeS: ping |
| 10:17:21 | pondlife | Also does anyone think http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6198 deserves to stay open? |
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| 10:18:25 | pondlife | There's not a lot to go on as a bug report. |
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| 10:18:38 | B4gder | I vote close |
| 10:19:04 | pondlife | 'tis closed. |
| 10:19:09 | JdGordon | noooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 10:19:23 | pondlife | noooooooooooooooooooo!? |
| 10:19:25 | B4gder | after all, people are very keen on requesting re-open when they feel strongly about a report |
| 10:19:40 | * | JdGordon was joking |
| 10:19:54 | pondlife | JdGordon: I thought you may have been. |
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| 10:23:16 | JdGordon | bloody hell... all the flyspray emails in the last 2 days and we are still 977 open tasks! |
| 10:23:38 | B4gder | it's quite amazing |
| 10:24:00 | pondlife | Still got 5 days left... |
| 10:24:13 | JdGordon | 976 |
| 10:24:59 | linuxstb | B4gder: Have you looked at the patch in FS #7341 ? It looks to me like a workaround which avoids the bug, rather than a fix. |
| 10:25:23 | B4gder | nope, I just noticed the close-request from the user |
| 10:25:42 | B4gder | since I don't have a 5g nor am I familiar with the area really |
| 10:26:37 | pixelma | JdGordon: about the one-click-insert patch: please keep the Ondio in mind. It doesn't have two buttons that do exactly the same as linuxstb said about the others... |
| 10:26:44 | linuxstb | It's also not a 5g-specific bug. I get it at least on my ipod Color, and I think others have reported it on other targets. |
| 10:26:51 | B4gder | aha |
| 10:27:05 | pondlife | I don't like the use of #ifdef in there, at least. |
| 10:27:17 | pondlife | And there's no sign that anyone understands the problem. |
| 10:27:28 | linuxstb | pondlife: Exactly - the #ifdef rang alarm bells for me... |
| 10:27:52 | JdGordon | pixelma: right, so it would either not be used for ondio, or just use this instead of the default (it being customizable anyway) |
| 10:28:09 | * | pondlife wonders if the homepage's "Flyspray #" button will wear out... |
| 10:28:13 | B4gder | I just deny the close request |
| 10:28:20 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Does the click-to-insert patch work on folders as well? |
| 10:28:35 | pondlife | Put a note on to say that we need to understand what's going wrong? |
| 10:28:44 | pondlife | (to B4gder) |
| 10:29:00 | B4gder | that's basically what I said in my reason for rejecting the close |
| 10:29:07 | JdGordon | linuxstb: I didnt really look at the patch carefully (I'm not sure I like the way he did it), but a proper implementation would |
| 10:29:26 | jhMikeS | pondlife: yo |
| 10:30:29 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Nice findings about the PP clock skipping :) But maybe we shouldn't put everything we find out into pp5020.h. It might become really long |
| 10:30:34 | amiconn | What do you think? |
| 10:30:56 | jhMikeS | amiconn: Where should we document things? |
| 10:30:59 | * | amiconn could add his findings about the clock setup either there, or to a wiki page |
| 10:31:00 | obo | linuxstb: 7341: usb_detect() in apps/main.c:425 always returns false |
| 10:31:43 | * | jhMikeS guesses if a wiki page gets setup, he'll just move the descriptions to that. |
| 10:31:45 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Do you know why voice causes constant boostage? |
| 10:31:46 | pixelma | JdGordon: if you choose the latter, I hope the default setting of that would have the same behaviour as it is now - and it doesn't break something else *remembers that horizontal scrolling thing*. (I'm also not sure I like that patch...) |
| 10:32:08 | jhMikeS | pondlife: yes. waiting on the mutex when boosted never does the check to unboost |
| 10:32:15 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Perhaps we should have 2 wiki pages, one for PP502x, another for PP5002, similar to what ipl has |
| 10:32:30 | jhMikeS | works for me |
| 10:32:31 | amiconn | Just that we now know quite a bsit more :P |
| 10:32:37 | amiconn | *bit |
| 10:32:57 | pondlife | jhMikeS: When did that problem get introduced? I'm sure it worked ok at one point... |
| 10:33:00 | jhMikeS | yeah, they've got about a dozen lines worth :P |
| 10:33:16 | jhMikeS | pondlife: no doubt with automatic boost control |
| 10:33:19 | JdGordon | pixelma: of course |
| 10:33:34 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Imo we could remove the separate 5024.h and redefine the Sansa as having PP5022. What do you think? |
| 10:33:39 | GodEater_ | I think I asked this before - but 1) Is it okay if I add fast_readline to the plugin API, and 2) Is it documented anywhere? It takes a lot more parameters than the original version. |
| 10:33:56 | pondlife | jhMikeS: I thought it was working ok after autoboost control was added, but got broken later... I may be very wrong of course. |
| 10:34:35 | pondlife | So should it be fixed in the scheduler, or just in playback? |
| 10:34:37 | jhMikeS | amiconn: do the other PP5022s have the same multiple GPIO bits? are all interrupt masks the same or should those be config*.h specific? |
| 10:34:58 | amiconn | I'm 99.5% sure they are the same for all PP502x |
| 10:35:06 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Your GPIO0 definitions in there are a duplicate, btw |
| 10:35:09 | jhMikeS | pondlife: I don't see how it could have unless there was a change later. |
| 10:35:42 | amiconn | It equals GPIO_MASK in pp5020.h |
| 10:35:58 | amiconn | hi interrupts bit 0 |
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| 10:36:53 | linuxstb | obo: ? |
| 10:37:05 | jhMikeS | true, but we need at least GPIO0_MASK and GPIO1_MASK, maybe more. Generic GPIO_MASK mask is sort of outmoded |
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| 10:37:41 | amiconn | Yeah, then rename GPIO_MASK to GPIO0_MASK and add GPIO1_MASK as well to pp5020.h |
| 10:38:08 | jhMikeS | does 5020 have GPIO1_MASK? |
| 10:38:09 | amiconn | The PP5020 also has all the GPIO ports up to L, so it also has the associated interrupts for sure |
| 10:38:32 | amiconn | I wonder whether there is a way to test it |
| 10:38:44 | obo | linuxstb: the usb boot issue - the while(usb_detect()) in init() is never true, even if the usb is connected |
| 10:39:00 | linuxstb | obo: You mean with that patch? |
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| 10:39:11 | obo | linuxstb: no, without |
| 10:39:27 | jhMikeS | amiconn: the emu thinks it's running on somethings else and does not respond to GPIO1_MASK being set so I think maybe that was introduced in 5022 |
| 10:39:46 | amiconn | I would rather think it's just missing from the emu |
| 10:39:58 | amiconn | The emu is based on knowledge about the PP |
| 10:40:13 | jhMikeS | it's not. the running firmware pays no attention. I've modified the emu to test these things. |
| 10:40:19 | amiconn | jhMikeS: If I configure a GPIO for output, enable the interrupt and then flip the bit, does the interrupt fire? |
| 10:41:19 | jhMikeS | I'm not sure. It may depend on if it's the same pin. I've never tried it. |
| 10:41:21 | linuxstb | obo: So the bug is that the usb detection isn't working, so the special case for early USB mode isn't being run? |
| 10:41:23 | amiconn | I would think it does - an easy way to find out about GPIO1_MASK on PP5020 |
| 10:41:58 | amiconn | Well, GPIO_INPUT_VAL reflects what's output on the pins configure for output, so... |
| 10:42:44 | jhMikeS | GPIOC bit 3 is set as output but is also the input for AS3514 IRQ at the same time. |
| 10:43:35 | obo | linuxstb: yes |
| 10:43:38 | JdGordon | is there a way to mute the sim? |
| 10:43:41 | amiconn | Aha, then some GPIO pins are probably split like some of the coldfire GPIO pins, and others are combined |
| 10:43:45 | JdGordon | colume doesnt seem to work |
| 10:43:51 | amiconn | JdGordon: nope |
| 10:44:06 | amiconn | The sim doesn't implement the audiocodec configuration stuff |
| 10:44:21 | amiconn | -> no volume, treble, bass, mute etc |
| 10:44:29 | JdGordon | what about with sdl? |
| 10:44:37 | amiconn | I have no idea... |
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| 10:45:57 | obo | linuxstb: I put a sleep in before the detection, incase the usb needed longer to init, but that didn't help... |
| 10:46:38 | pixelma | what was that about database on Sansa: does it not work at all with files on the microSD or are there only some functions disabled? |
| 10:47:11 | pixelma | or rather "features" |
| 10:48:04 | JdGordon | dircache is disabled |
| 10:48:08 | n1s | pixelma: do you have any comments on the langv2 cleanup? or are you ok with me committing it when the last genlang issue gets worked out? |
| 10:48:12 | JdGordon | bah, misread |
| 10:48:16 | jhMikeS | amiconn: that would have to be the case here too. it's set to 1 by the bootloader and is left that way by rockbox but is definitely reads the IRQ state for AS3514 |
| 10:49:24 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you think we need to dispatch the button interrupts etc to the cop on PP502x? |
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| 10:49:58 | amiconn | I'm looking at the PP502x IRQ dispatcher and want to unify it, with just a few ifdefs within the function |
| 10:49:59 | JdGordon | pixelma: the db works fine with the files on the SD card, I tihnkt he reverse lookup for update only works if dircache is enabled |
| 10:50:06 | * | jhMikeS wonders why that's needed |
| 10:50:22 | amiconn | Currently there are 3 copies of it, and the ipod versions also check for button interrupts on the COP... |
| 10:50:52 | jhMikeS | pixelma: database reads the SD card |
| 10:51:25 | pixelma | n1s: I'd like to try a build with the latest patch first, then report back - in general I'd like to see the patch committed soon :) |
| 10:51:29 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Why what is needed? |
| 10:51:41 | pixelma | jhMikeS, JdGordon: thanks |
| 10:52:04 | jhMikeS | amiconn: to dispatch button interrupts to the COP. |
| 10:52:13 | amiconn | Yeah, that's why I'm asking |
| 10:53:06 | * | JdGordon found out how to shut up the sim in the code :) |
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| 10:53:19 | JdGordon | but has "playback" at 2x speed because of it |
| 10:53:31 | * | jhMikeS really plans on keeping it relieved of such responsibilities |
| 10:54:11 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I noticed that we don't do so on H10 and Sansa, and think it makes sense to not do it either on ipods |
| 10:54:12 | JdGordon | Slasheri: ping? |
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| 10:54:44 | n1s | pixelma: good, if you test it as it is now be aware that there is a bug in genlang that makes unused strings have the same id as "Yes" in the translations, which confuses rockbox in some places... |
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| 10:55:05 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm not really sure what the COP would be doing in response to them. anything to do with rolo? even then. |
| 10:55:07 | linuxstb | obo: It still seems to me as if the freezing is the real bug - the failure to detect usb early is just highlighting it. |
| 10:55:36 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The respective interrupts aren't enabled on the cop, hence they won't fire... |
| 10:56:15 | * | amiconn goes ahead and unifies |
| 10:56:17 | obo | linuxstb: I wonder if other (non-ipod) targets would freeze if that usb_detect is disabled when usb is present? |
| 10:56:20 | The-Compiler | What does ADC mean? |
| 10:56:22 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I also notice the CPU/COP_CTL also should probabably to reset to 0x00000000 on wake. Bit 31 is not cleared automatically. |
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| 10:56:58 | B4gder | The-Compiler: analog-to-digital converter |
| 10:57:00 | jhMikeS | The OF resets to 0x00000000 on wakeup |
| 10:57:13 | The-Compiler | B4gder: thanks |
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| 10:59:02 | pixelma | n1s: I'll try with english first |
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| 11:00:10 | pondlife | JdGordon: I'd find volume control in the sim useful if you spot anything... |
| 11:00:36 | JdGordon | I didnt look properly, I manaed to fully disable the audio though as a temp hack |
| 11:01:35 | linuxstb | obo: That would be a good test. |
| 11:01:39 | n1s | pixelma: there's also a small issue with an #else that shouldn't have been removed in settings_list.c the one between the different antiskip settings |
| 11:02:02 | pixelma | JdGordon, jhMikeS: has one of you tried the following scenario on Sansa - initialise the database with card inserted, proceed until it's finished (reboot etc.) - then remove card and hit "Update now"? |
| 11:02:24 | * | jhMikeS still want to know how to determine whether IRQ or FIQ woke a core so that the scheduler can just resleep the core and not check threads with FIQ |
| 11:02:29 | pixelma | For some reason that doesn't work on my Ondio (shows ongoing disk activity in the status bar until I stop it, but nothing happens and database info in debug gives me "-1% (xxx entries), where xxx is the "old number" - I already reported that to Slasheri quite a while ago |
| 11:02:56 | * | jhMikeS may have but will try again |
| 11:03:14 | amiconn | Now, let's see whether it compiles... |
| 11:03:26 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Could the ISR set a flag? Or do you think another way exists? |
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| 11:04:26 | * | JdGordon thinks he found how to do volume in sdl |
| 11:04:34 | pondlife | :) |
| 11:05:24 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I haven't found one (yet) |
| 11:05:57 | n1s | any opinions on me closing FS #7288 it scrolls ok with a bigger font than default or on a smaller screen, do we really need to make the string long enought to scroll on all screens with any font (think ipod video with a 5pixel font...) |
| 11:06:02 | jhMikeS | pixelma: it seems to get the correct number of entries (1093 vs. 1372). I see "-1%" no matter what though. |
| 11:07:07 | pondlife | LAME experts: Anyone understand if there is actually a bug in http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6326 - the "gapless is borked" report..? |
| 11:07:31 | jhMikeS | a couple rounds of that and it won't update now :\ |
| 11:08:33 | XavierGr | is it known that the bookmark feature doesn't work if you start playback by inserting a folder? |
| 11:09:44 | jhMikeS | it had to go through a commit sequence but did inform me about it |
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| 11:13:00 | pondlife | XavierGr: Bookmarks have quite a number of bugs...not heard that one before though. |
| 11:13:26 | pondlife | jhMikeS: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7447 has a "Works for me" fix on it - sleep(1) before waiting for the mutex. |
| 11:13:27 | pixelma | jhMikeS: ok, seems like a general problem with multivolume then (I can't see the full line with entries on my Ondio as the line is too long... |
| 11:14:00 | obo | linuxstb: unfortunately I only have a 5g... |
| 11:14:52 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Not scheduling button ints to the cop is working fine on mini G2. Will test on video as well, then commit |
| 11:14:53 | jhMikeS | pondlife: I thought about that one. It should be reboosted next time voice runs I guess. |
| 11:15:20 | pondlife | It seems to work ok on H340. The sleep is in an ok place? I didn't want to break the mutexing! |
| 11:15:46 | pondlife | Or maybe sleep(1) rather than yield() in the loop? |
| 11:16:20 | jhMikeS | pondlife: I forgot, the swap will unboost during clip playback with that. |
| 11:16:22 | pixelma | XavierGr: there are a few restrictions with bookmarks and dynamic playlists currently. I remember it being discussed a while ago (http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060617.txt at 10:53 o'clock and following) |
| 11:17:01 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Is that a problem? It seems to work ok - no skipping or under-run. |
| 11:17:28 | pondlife | Better than the reduced battery life that SVN gives, I'd think. |
| 11:17:48 | jhMikeS | voice should stay boosted until the clip is finished really. |
| 11:18:18 | pondlife | Hmm, so sleep somewhere else... |
| 11:18:37 | amiconn | pondlife: Keep in mind that we don't want to boost/unboost in too quick succession |
| 11:18:53 | jhMikeS | I'm not sure where. |
| 11:19:31 | pondlife | voice_pcmbuf_insert_callback() when it's out of data? |
| 11:20:05 | pondlife | Or is that in an ISR? |
| 11:20:53 | pondlife | Hmm, the queue_wait_w_tmo ()in voice_request_buffer_callback() ought to handle this anyway, no? |
| 11:21:12 | jhMikeS | you can't really tell if it is there |
| 11:21:13 | XavierGr | pondlife: about 7334, follow playlist does work for me even on database mode |
| 11:21:32 | pondlife | XavierGr: How is that possible? |
| 11:21:36 | jhMikeS | pondlife: no, not when voice is swapped out |
| 11:21:45 | linuxstb | obo: OK, I can try that (I have a gigabeat and h140) |
| 11:22:02 | XavierGr | pondlife: ah wait maybe I misunderstood let me test something |
| 11:22:08 | pixelma | XavierGr: when music is stopped? |
| 11:22:43 | pondlife | XavierGr: It could go to "All tracks", but otherwise there's no way to know which virtual folder you started with - could be one of many. |
| 11:22:58 | XavierGr | false alarm I was tricked by the fact that the database remembers where you were last time |
| 11:23:28 | pondlife | I think that "Follow Playlist" should mean that STOP or SELECT go to the file browser, even if you were last in the database... |
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| 11:24:21 | pondlife | That would seem consistent - if you want to use the database only (e.g. iTunes) then don't use Follow Playlist. |
| 11:25:36 | jhMikeS | pondlife: voice_is_playing should be false after the swap_codec call in voice_pcmbuf_insert_callback if voice finished, right? |
| 11:25:56 | pondlife | Yes. But playing remains true (of course)... |
| 11:27:43 | jhMikeS | pondlife: right after voice_is_playing = false in voice_on_voice_stop probably |
| 11:27:53 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Alternative fix - in voice_request_buffer_callback(), change the first queue_wait_w_tmo(...,0) to be (...,1). |
| 11:29:16 | * | pondlife would like the status bar to have a "CPU boosted" marker. |
| 11:29:17 | jhMikeS | no, that'll unboost on each frame |
| 11:29:23 | amiconn | B4gder: It's not correct that rockbox wasn't ported to telechips hardware yet. Just that the port had died and was removed again... |
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| 11:29:56 | jhMikeS | if (!voice_thread_start) sleep(1) |
| 11:30:11 | pixelma | jhMikeS: in addition to the "update now" - I chose a tinier font and can now read the complete "progress" line. It gives me only one number of entries which I even cannot recognise when looking at the numbers the "stats" plugin gives me |
| 11:30:16 | pondlife | or if (!voice_is_playing) sleep(1) ? |
| 11:31:13 | B4gder | amiconn: true, but that telechip one is bound to be quite different to those newer ones anyway |
| 11:31:14 | jhMikeS | no, because voice_is_playing will be true most likely |
| 11:31:31 | jhMikeS | that's where it's set to false in the first place |
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| 11:32:17 | amiconn | B4gder: Yes it is, but the question was whether there was an attempt to port to telechips hardware, not what telechips hardware that was... |
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| 11:32:50 | B4gder | yeah, I forgot that the gmini one as a telechip |
| 11:32:51 | jhMikeS | that should make sure it doesn't unboost if more clips are requested |
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| 11:33:56 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Feel free to commit something :) |
| 11:34:12 | pondlife | I've got to do work now :( |
| 11:36:43 | jhMikeS | ok...I'll test some stuff out then |
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| 11:39:30 | pondlife | Thanks muchly... I'm sure you have to do work sometimes too..! |
| 11:39:48 | jhMikeS | indeed, but my hours are odd :) |
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| 11:45:57 | B4gder | the char that killed convbdf was a whopping 52 x 39 ;-) |
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| 11:48:27 | petur | XavierGr: I'm not convinced that 6614 itself is fixed, it is just that the way he arrived at the bug got fixed. I don't know if we allow (or should allow) min and max dB settings to be the same. |
| 11:48:50 | PaulJam | little question about buttonactions in plugins: could it be that there is currently no action that uses the REC button on H300? |
| 11:50:23 | XavierGr | petur: but I can no longer reproduce it? anyway if you want me I will reopen it |
| 11:50:48 | petur | XavierGr: ah, so you tried setting min and max to 0dB? |
| 11:51:25 | petur | anyway, it's not an important use case ;) |
| 11:54:22 | XavierGr | well at 0db maximum/minimum there are no longer any peak meters to be shown, but I think that this is a very logic reaction |
| 11:54:40 | petur | fine |
| 11:56:02 | XavierGr | wow the peak release menu shows to my gigabeat quite some garbage after the number entries! |
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| 11:57:05 | XavierGr | ok the peak release menu is majorly bugged |
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| 12:01:05 | JdGordon | PaulJam: yes |
| 12:04:53 | JdGordon | PaulJam: I got volume working, :) |
| 12:05:32 | PaulJam | JdGordon: what? |
| 12:05:47 | JdGordon | crap, that was for pondlife, the first one was for yout hough |
| 12:06:06 | JdGordon | how do i go from a number between -40 and 6, to a number between 0 and 128? |
| 12:06:42 | petur | ax+b ? |
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| 12:07:05 | * | JdGordon knew grade 6 maths would come back to haunt me :p |
| 12:11:06 | Kasperle | 128/46*x+40*128/46 |
| 12:11:47 | JdGordon | thanks :) |
| 12:12:01 | pondlife | JdGordon: thanks :) |
| 12:16:53 | jhMikeS | 64*(x+40)/23 |
| 12:17:50 | JdGordon | well... change all that to use VOLUME_MIN and MOLUME_MAX and its perfect :) |
| 12:18:39 | jhMikeS | 128*(x - VOLUME_MIN)/(VOLUME_MAX-VOLUME_MIN) |
| 12:18:42 | amiconn | 128*(x-VOLUME_MIN)/(VOLUME_MAX-VOLUME_MIN) |
| 12:18:49 | amiconn | heh |
| 12:18:51 | jhMikeS | lol |
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| 12:22:29 | n1s | JdGordon: I found a way to fix FS #7311 it is really weird to me though... |
| 12:22:58 | JdGordon | yeah? |
| 12:23:21 | n1s | both the clock and vu_meter plugins stored their settings in structs called "settings" change the name of the struct and voila, no crash... |
| 12:23:48 | JdGordon | name conflict? |
| 12:24:09 | maddler | morning all... |
| 12:25:00 | n1s | JdGordon: well, the crash was at line 390 in settings.c so i thought it seemed probable... and it works... |
| 12:25:26 | n1s | but why would it only cause problems on 64 bit? |
| 12:25:33 | JdGordon | dunno |
| 12:29:17 | n1s | JdGordon: so should I commit it? or do you want to look into it and make a proper fix? |
| 12:29:43 | JdGordon | I'm 32bits short, so may as well commit it |
| 12:30:05 | n1s | ok |
| 12:30:50 | * | JdGordon back in a while |
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| 12:38:07 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Nice, I'll test and close |
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| 12:42:47 | daniel1234 | hi, I want to start coding on rockbox. I have made the total disk size speak but I want to try and make some splash messages speak. How should I do this? And how do the talk functions work? |
| 12:43:35 | amiconn | woot! |
| 12:43:37 | jhMikeS | I think this auto boost should be something that has to be maintained or else it just expires |
| 12:43:51 | amiconn | I managed to run the PP5002 at 32kHz :) |
| 12:43:52 | pondlife | woot? |
| 12:43:57 | pondlife | Ah |
| 12:44:36 | amiconn | Many rockbox functions would block when they are called at that clock frequency, because the microsecond timer doesn't run |
| 12:44:37 | jhMikeS | :) /me hopes the codecs become more optimized :P |
| 12:44:45 | amiconn | ahaha |
| 12:45:04 | amiconn | This is for fake shutdown of course |
| 12:45:15 | daniel1234 | Also what do I need to know in c to be able to start coding on the voice stuff |
| 12:45:43 | amiconn | I tested that I'm really running at 32kHz by timing a known delay loop with my watch |
| 12:45:56 | amiconn | 32768 loop cycles took ~4 seconds |
| 12:46:47 | amiconn | Make that 16384, but you get the idea... |
| 12:47:32 | jhMikeS | what's "fake shutdown"? the thing apple firmware does? |
| 12:47:40 | pondlife | "deep sleep"? |
| 12:48:02 | amiconn | The ipod 1st/2nd gen can't be shut down physically |
| 12:48:09 | amiconn | The PP5002 is powered all the time |
| 12:49:42 | amiconn | Apple just sets it to 32kHz and disables the lcd |
| 12:49:55 | amiconn | We will need to do the same |
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| 13:17:43 | daniel1234 | How do I register xvoice.dll |
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| 13:18:24 | n1s | daniel1234: google for regsvr32 |
| 13:19:57 | daniel1234 | ok and I am using vista is that ok\? |
| 13:20:21 | n1s | daniel1234: dunno, never touched vista |
| 13:20:28 | daniel1234 | do I just google for "regsvr32 " |
| 13:21:09 | n1s | daniel1234: yes |
| 13:21:27 | n1s | it will giv eyou a microsoft page that tells you how to use it |
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| 13:25:22 | pixelma | jhMikeS: "update now" also struggles when I insert a different MMC... |
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| 13:30:24 | pixelma | hmm... but it did create new database entries. Just because it can't check for deleted files (missing dircache) it just added the new entries to the old one. Seems like this is expected behaviour then... |
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| 13:37:10 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: I think your commits 14035-14037 somehow broke the h10 build. I'm getting a data abort on startup now |
| 13:37:11 | jhMikeS | pixelma: I suppose "Initialize Now" is what would do a full rebuild? |
| 13:37:44 | barrywardell | at 00047D44 |
| 13:37:53 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: will check. which were those? |
| 13:38:01 | pixelma | jhMikeS: yes (afaik) |
| 13:38:07 | pixelma | and what I do |
| 13:38:49 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: Scroll on main and remote with a single thread. Change the way system messages are defined before running out is an issue (which requires a full update of rockbox on the player). |
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| 13:40:06 | jhMikeS | barrywardell: all the time? |
| 13:40:28 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: and here's my rockbox.map: http://pastebin.ca/640411 |
| 13:40:50 | barrywardell | yes, every time I start up, before I see root menu |
| 13:41:26 | jhMikeS | so the problem starts on exactly that revision? |
| 13:42:01 | barrywardell | yes, 14034 works fine. I don't even see the rockbox logo before getting the data abort |
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| 13:48:06 | JdGordon | amiconn: shouldnt the entire system be put into some infintie loop while its sleeping? instead of having to find and fix things which obviously wont work at such slow speeds? |
| 13:48:48 | amiconn | Of course |
| 13:49:13 | amiconn | Actually, the COP should be put to sleep entirely, and the CPU too with just leaving the button interrupts enabled |
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| 13:50:19 | pondlife | JdGordon: red... |
| 13:50:35 | pondlife | Or did you already know? |
| 13:50:39 | JdGordon | yeah, i know |
| 13:50:42 | JdGordon | commiting in a sec |
| 13:50:43 | pondlife | Sorry |
| 13:50:46 | * | JdGordon forgot */ |
| 13:51:10 | B4gder | 1678 fresh points for JdGordon |
| 13:51:24 | JdGordon | thats not even close to a high score for me :D |
| 13:51:34 | pondlife | Get 'em while they're hot, they're lovely... |
| 13:52:10 | pondlife | And more commits will helps sort out the build table. |
| 13:52:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: does your H10 bomb out at startup now? |
| 13:53:05 | pondlife | JdGordon: I knew there was a reason not to comment code... :) |
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| 13:53:19 | JdGordon | haha yeah |
| 13:53:31 | pondlife | anyway, thanks for the volume control |
| 13:53:42 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Nope, works fine |
| 13:54:01 | amiconn | I am not running the latest, but r14056 |
| 13:54:44 | amiconn | barrywardell: Did you perform a full rebuild, or optionally try an official build? |
| 13:54:58 | amiconn | s/optionally/alternatively/ |
| 13:55:06 | barrywardell | I tried a full rebuild, trying an official build now... |
| 13:55:11 | jhMikeS | the system message values did change |
| 13:55:41 | JdGordon | wasnt the stack increased so mpegplayer doesnt crash? or am i dreaming it? |
| 13:56:08 | * | jhMikeS noticed a funky thing that should be fixed up: lcd_enabled always returning true on everything but gigabeat :\ |
| 13:56:17 | pondlife | JdGordon: No, but a fix was applied. |
| 13:56:34 | pondlife | r13968 |
| 13:56:36 | JdGordon | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11869.0 seems not... |
| 13:56:36 | barrywardell | hmmm. official build works |
| 13:57:09 | barrywardell | jhMikeS: sorry for the false alarm. must be something wrong with my build env |
| 13:57:09 | pondlife | JdGordon: Is that a stack overflow? |
| 13:57:15 | jhMikeS | score one for me! \o/ The H10 didn't win this round :) |
| 13:57:42 | JdGordon | pondlife: no, but i thought the crashes wernt always stkovs? |
| 13:57:58 | pondlife | True, but those might not be. |
| 13:58:24 | pondlife | GodEater: DevConPub3 already? ;) |
| 13:58:48 | pondlife | Maybe in September/October sometime... |
| 13:59:01 | barrywardell | after deleting my build dir and doing a fresh compile, everything works again |
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| 14:00:08 | jhMikeS | whew. PP5020 having trouble makes /me panicf |
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| 14:04:34 | JdGordon | should 7473 be committed assuming of course it doesnt cause crashes? |
| 14:05:09 | jhMikeS | amiconn: what file is the lcd driver for 1g/2g? |
| 14:05:25 | * | JdGordon wonders if people prefer the full tracker url or just the task number? |
| 14:05:33 | pondlife | Full URL here |
| 14:05:39 | amiconn | firmware/target/arm/ipod/lcd-gray.c, why? |
| 14:05:43 | pondlife | 7473 ism a bug, not a patch. |
| 14:05:48 | pondlife | s/ism/is |
| 14:06:01 | jhMikeS | amiconn: just a small addition for scroller compatibility for HAVE_LCD_ENABLE |
| 14:06:12 | amiconn | eh? |
| 14:06:33 | amiconn | svn is running fine on my 2nd gen... |
| 14:06:52 | * | petur managed to stop clicking the #abcd links in his irc client |
| 14:07:00 | jhMikeS | someone added lcd_enabled() to gigabeat and just #defined it as lcd_enable() true for all others |
| 14:07:32 | amiconn | The lcd is always enabled on the ipods... |
| 14:07:53 | JdGordon | pondlife: no its a patch.... |
| 14:07:55 | amiconn | We don't know how to disable it yet, and for grayscale it doesn't make sense |
| 14:08:06 | pondlife | JdGordon: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7473 ? |
| 14:08:09 | jhMikeS | why is #define HAVE_LCD_ENABLE in the config for 1g,2g,3g then? |
| 14:08:16 | amiconn | (except for sleep but that's an entirely different thing) |
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| 14:08:31 | * | JdGordon dyslexik tonight... http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7437 |
| 14:08:58 | amiconn | I dunno; didn't put it there |
| 14:09:15 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I had a similar problem with my ipod Color recently - starting from a clean build directory was necessary for me as well. |
| 14:09:15 | amiconn | The 1g/2g config started as a copy of the 3g |
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| 14:09:46 | jhMikeS | which driver is 3g? |
| 14:09:50 | pondlife | JdGordon: I say it should be ok...but check by skipping backwards and very quickly deleting the file? |
| 14:10:10 | jhMikeS | should be the same? |
| 14:10:20 | amiconn | yes. 4g too |
| 14:10:25 | barrywardell | linuxstb: ah, ok. that must have been the problem in that case |
| 14:10:30 | amiconn | ...and the minis |
| 14:10:59 | jhMikeS | same, but I see no lcd_enable implementation there. probably should go then. |
| 14:15:32 | * | JdGordon tihnks he accidently deleted 2 flac cds :'( |
| 14:18:13 | pixelma | n1s: I'm running a langv2 patched version on my Ondio (with backlight enabled) - Got a "Not done yet!" in the playback settings where the "Anti-skip buffer" is now... since I guess it's because that one would be removed for Ondios now (IIRC) it is only a bit confusing. Will try to use it a bit longer "normally" and browse through the settings... |
| 14:20:07 | JdGordon | pondlife: hmm, doesnt seem to cause problems seeking past the end of the buffered part of the file |
| 14:20:50 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you know how to set the clock to 32KHz on the PP502x as well? |
| 14:21:24 | pondlife | JdGordon: The sim volume control works well, but the H300 sim allows up to +6dB, unlike the target... |
| 14:21:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: yes |
| 14:21:45 | JdGordon | pondlife: all the sims have the same limit |
| 14:21:51 | pondlife | Ah, ok. |
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| 14:22:07 | pondlife | I'd have expected them to be more like their targets. |
| 14:22:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: Are you interested in implementing a sleep option there as well? |
| 14:22:32 | n1s | pixelma: try adding a #else between the two different antiskip options in settings_list.c it was accidentally removed |
| 14:22:49 | amiconn | I won't implement a sleep option on PP5002, just fake shutdown |
| 14:23:09 | linuxstb | What's the difference? I'm using the term "sleep" to mean what Apple's firmware does... |
| 14:23:16 | pixelma | n1s: ok, will do |
| 14:23:18 | JdGordon | any last objections to http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7437? (yay for autoreplace script) |
| 14:23:27 | amiconn | ...i.e. disable everything in rockbox, then put the PP5002 to sleep. A button press will cause a reboot |
| 14:23:46 | barrywardell | amiconn: is it just a matter of setting bits 0-2 of CLOCK_SOURCE to 0 (=32kHz)? |
| 14:23:48 | n1s | pixelma: ok, please post any other issues either here or in the tracker, gtg now |
| 14:24:22 | petur | JdGordon: killing two tracker entries at once ;) |
| 14:24:23 | pixelma | sure - would have done it anyways if I didn't see you around here |
| 14:24:37 | amiconn | barrywardell: Probably that plus some delay in order to let the 32kHz stabilize before switching to it |
| 14:24:48 | amiconn | Check what I did on PP5002 |
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| 14:25:48 | amiconn | We also need to find out how to disable the various hardware components, otherwise the ipod will still drain more power than necessary in sleep mode |
| 14:28:19 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Did you give up trying to pass a bootloader version to Rockbox? |
| 14:28:51 | JdGordon | yes and no, I went on to differnt bootloader fiddling and forgot about that |
| 14:29:06 | JdGordon | but I couldnt get that working which annoyed me |
| 14:29:26 | bluebrother | do we really need another item in the context menu? *sic* |
| 14:29:46 | linuxstb | I'm thinking about implementing a "Start original firmware" option (for the System menu) on ipods, and for that I'll need to know if the bootloader supports it... |
| 14:30:49 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Also, about your last commit - did you test deleting a large file - i.e. one that hasn't been fully buffered? |
| 14:31:00 | JdGordon | 130mb one big enough? |
| 14:31:12 | linuxstb | Yes ;) |
| 14:31:17 | * | linuxstb is being blinded by the sun |
| 14:31:42 | linuxstb | I just recall lots of people saying that deleting the currently playing file didn't work reliably. (I've never tried myself though). |
| 14:31:50 | JdGordon | bluebrother: let me commit customizablemenus and you can have as few as you want |
| 14:32:04 | bluebrother | noooo ... |
| 14:32:18 | JdGordon | well, the patch is tiny, so if it does start causing problems it can be removed painlessly |
| 14:32:30 | JdGordon | but I did test and came up fine, so thought what the heck :) |
| 14:32:48 | JdGordon | at a cost of a whopping 4 bytes :p |
| 14:32:51 | pixelma | JdGordon: you could also help documenting those new "features" in the manual... |
| 14:33:07 | linuxstb | JdGordon: The other objection to that patch was that it could confuse users who might think it just means deleting the track from the playlist... |
| 14:33:46 | JdGordon | pixelma: you really want me to fiddle with the manual? imagine the chaos with speeling and macros i can do with TeX? :D |
| 14:34:12 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ah, well thats a good point, meh |
| 14:34:17 | bluebrother | JdGordon: you really sure you can cope with TeX' macros? :P |
| 14:34:22 | linuxstb | JdGordon: If you don't want to touch the manual, it could be useful to add flyspray tasks to keep track of the missing features. |
| 14:35:13 | JdGordon | bluebrother: I did a tech doc subject beginig of last year which taught us LaTeX and it scarred me for life |
| 14:35:26 | bluebrother | you could also add desctiptions of the new features, along with noting the devices it applies to. |
| 14:35:45 | bluebrother | JdGordon: ever looked at MusixTeX? *That* is scary. |
| 14:35:54 | JdGordon | nope |
| 14:36:09 | barrywardell | amiconn: I see. iiuc it would just need to have the numbers for CLOCK_SOURCE changed (the source frequencies map differently on PP502x?) |
| 14:36:38 | amiconn | yes |
| 14:37:00 | amiconn | I should really start that wiki page and publish my findings (based on MrH's work) |
| 14:37:37 | pixelma | JdGordon: about the spelling... the wiki pages (s) you create ofte read quite nicelyl - you're just typing too fast in IRC |
| 14:37:45 | amiconn | The clock setup on PP502x is basically the same as on PP5002 but with the bit shuffled around and some extensions |
| 14:38:01 | pixelma | sorry about the spelling :P |
| 14:38:04 | JdGordon | :) |
| 14:39:12 | barrywardell | cool, it should be very easy to add CPUFREQ_SLEEP |
| 14:43:11 | amiconn | E.g. PP5002 has 4 clock mode and PP502x has 8 |
| 14:43:15 | amiconn | *modes |
| 14:44:37 | barrywardell | ah, the code makes more sense now. I was expecting 3 bits for each source, but for PP5002, there are only two |
| 14:44:53 | amiconn | yup |
| 14:46:54 | bluebrother | JdGordon: take a look at this ... http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/music.tex ;-) |
| 14:47:42 | amiconn | barrywardell: Btw, is your H10 stable with the new clock setup function? My H10 6GB is :) |
| 14:47:43 | JdGordon | yikes! |
| 14:48:01 | bluebrother | that's scary (and I did write it) |
| 14:48:10 | barrywardell | yes, it seems to be very stable. I haven't done very extensive testing, but all seems good so far :) |
| 14:48:19 | linuxstb | barrywardell: You have the 20GB/ |
| 14:48:20 | linuxstb | ? |
| 14:48:26 | barrywardell | yup |
| 14:48:51 | barrywardell | they're both very similar. the biggest difference is the lcd |
| 14:48:52 | amiconn | The 2nd gen is also 100% stable, so I'd expect the 3rd gen to be stable as well :) |
| 14:49:29 | * | linuxstb should start using his ipod color more often, especially as he claimed to be in the MAINTAINERS file... |
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| 14:59:56 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: your recent scrolling hacking means http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4817 can be out-of-dated right? |
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| 15:01:08 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: lemme look |
| 15:01:40 | JdGordon | btw, red if you didnt see |
| 15:02:11 | jhMikeS | I saw. fixing it. |
| 15:02:30 | jhMikeS | It's partially outdated. I didn't move any puts functions. |
| 15:04:49 | amiconn | barrywardell: When comparing the H10 and iPod color lcd drivers, you'll see that they both use the same lcd bridge in the PP |
| 15:05:10 | amiconn | So it should be possible to port the multiple-write optimisation from iPod color to H10 |
| 15:05:23 | barrywardell | yes, I noticed that. That's how I got the H10 LCD working :) |
| 15:05:24 | amiconn | Should be good for another ~30% lcd speedup.... |
| 15:05:42 | barrywardell | That, and the fact that the LCD is identical to the X5 |
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| 15:05:54 | barrywardell | I'll have a look at that optimisation |
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| 15:05:57 | amiconn | Yes, the H10 large |
| 15:05:59 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: actually, all bitmap displays could share the same scrolling code on both remote and main. I didn't go that far because I thought it too much in one go for that. |
| 15:06:18 | amiconn | The H10 small has TL1772, but the bridge is still the same |
| 15:06:45 | barrywardell | yes |
| 15:07:01 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: righto, ill have a quick look and see if im awake enough to do it |
| 15:07:02 | amiconn | I didn't find the TL1772 datasheet (seems to be secret), but I found a datasheet of an LCD module that uses TL1772 |
| 15:07:13 | barrywardell | how does DEV_TIMING1 work? What should it be set to for 32kHz? |
| 15:07:21 | amiconn | It lists all commands plus the sleep/unsleep sequences etc |
| 15:07:57 | barrywardell | great, sleep still needs to be enabled for it. It's working on H10 20GB already |
| 15:08:08 | amiconn | I don't know. I'd try to either set it to minimum (0x00000101) or leave it alone... |
| 15:08:32 | amiconn | barrywardell: I know... I'm busy with PP5002 atm, otherwise I'd add that to the H10 driver... |
| 15:09:12 | barrywardell | ok, i'll leave it alone for the first test |
| 15:10:03 | amiconn | Don't forget to disable interrupts for your test |
| 15:11:43 | barrywardell | will do. how did you time the test? |
| 15:12:41 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I did implement it that way at first but then deleted all that. :P Get's kinda ugly with different color depths if you can't use the screens API down there. |
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| 15:14:00 | JdGordon | all these lcd_puts* functions dont really belong in scroll_engine.c though, I'm dumping them in lcd-bitmap.c and seeing how bad it is with #ifdef HAVE_LCD_COLOR everywhere |
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| 15:19:24 | JdGordon | does the player have a lcd remote? |
| 15:21:54 | jhMikeS | I think only iRivers and iAudios have them...the coldfire ones |
| 15:25:24 | * | jhMikeS does a double-take a sees two columns for iPod 1G/2G |
| 15:26:25 | pondlife | One more commit... |
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| 15:27:07 | * | pondlife invites you to play Build Table Tetris |
| 15:27:13 | MacFra | hi guys! |
| 15:27:31 | MacFra | hey |
| 15:27:41 | pondlife | ho! |
| 15:27:46 | jhMikeS | the build table is getting wider by the minute lately |
| 15:28:01 | pondlife | Might need a bigger monitor... |
| 15:28:09 | JdGordon | needed on months ago already |
| 15:28:09 | MacFra | can you please tell me what build is right for ipod 5.5 80 gb?? |
| 15:28:11 | petur | or a smaller font |
| 15:28:33 | pondlife | MacFra: iPod Video 64MB |
| 15:28:36 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: added a quick patch to merge the lcd_puts* functions if you want to look at it, goig to bed so not finishing it tonight |
| 15:28:37 | B4gder | build-table tic-tac-toe, you get points if you get three reds in a diagonal! |
| 15:28:48 | linuxstb | MacFra: The 64MB one. |
| 15:28:54 | pondlife | Connect 4 (reds) |
| 15:29:18 | B4gder | plain horizonal or vertical is too easy ,-) |
| 15:29:38 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: oki |
| 15:30:13 | | Part n1s |
| 15:30:24 | * | jhMikeS could make it all red :D |
| 15:30:26 | MacFra | ok tnx |
| 15:30:34 | MacFra | !! |
| 15:30:38 | barrywardell | amiconn: when does rockbox decide between CPUFREQ_DEFAULT and CPUFREQ_NORMAL? |
| 15:30:40 | * | pondlife has made it all red... |
| 15:31:01 | jhMikeS | pondlife: every cell in every row? |
| 15:31:06 | pondlife | Ah no! |
| 15:31:17 | pondlife | That wouldn't be hard though |
| 15:31:29 | pondlife | You've sunk my battleship! |
| 15:32:54 | jhMikeS | you pick a row and column and I'll guess by committing exactly one red build at a time |
| 15:33:11 | JdGordon | thats harder than it soounds though |
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| 15:33:16 | JdGordon | commiting one red cell at a time... |
| 15:33:43 | petur | not if you understand the art of config_xxx.h |
| 15:33:45 | linuxstb | #if defined(IPOD_3G) && defined(BOOTLOADER) .... |
| 15:34:01 | JdGordon | ... unless you cheat like above! |
| 15:34:03 | jhMikeS | hence the challenge. If I commit more than one, you have to mark those cells with warnings only. |
| 15:34:39 | petur | maybe as an extra Bagder can rename builds to give it some extra effects |
| 15:34:44 | JdGordon | this is rockbox' contribution to global warming :) keeping those servers busy |
| 15:35:39 | jhMikeS | it'll need a nuke plant to run it soon and no CO2 emissions and loads more fun with radiation |
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| 15:35:56 | amiconn | barrywardell: CPUFREQ_DEFAULT isn't used at all on PP except in the cpu frequency debug screen |
| 15:36:11 | amiconn | On coldfire it's used in the radio screen to save some more power |
| 15:36:29 | amiconn | I timed the test with an asm delay loop running 16384 cycles |
| 15:36:52 | amiconn | Took ~4 seconds on PP5002 |
| 15:37:03 | amiconn | On PP502x it should be a bit faster, 2 or 3 seconds |
| 15:37:35 | pondlife | jhMikeS: Nuclear? So a good build won't just be green, it'll be luminous. |
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| 15:38:06 | jhMikeS | a nice warm glow |
| 15:38:27 | pondlife | Do we now believe that all PortalPlayer targets are stable? Or is it too early to say? |
| 15:38:32 | webguest19 | to install rockbox |
| 15:38:37 | webguest19 | sorry again |
| 15:38:45 | webguest19 | do i need to update all my songs anywhere else? |
| 15:38:46 | barrywardell | amiconn: cool, thanks |
| 15:38:47 | linuxstb | pondlife: I think some Nanos and Videos are now unstable... |
| 15:39:07 | * | pondlife fails to do the PP stability dance... or clear up loads of FS entries :( |
| 15:39:38 | JdGordon | gnite folks |
| 15:39:42 | pondlife | nite |
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| 15:39:58 | amiconn | barrywardell: I.e. print something to the lcd, lcd_update(), disable interrupts, switch to CPUFREQ_SLEEP, run delay loop, restore clock, restore interrupt setting, print something and lcd_update() again |
| 15:40:41 | jhMikeS | could use the cycle skip method too now :) |
| 15:40:47 | barrywardell | amiconn: exactly what I plan to do :) |
| 15:41:22 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Is the cycle skip applied to every instruction, or just once after setting the register? |
| 15:42:02 | jhMikeS | amiconn: just the one following setting the reg |
| 15:42:21 | amiconn | aha, hmm |
| 15:42:33 | * | amiconn can't imagine what this is good for then |
| 15:42:39 | jhMikeS | mutexing |
| 15:43:28 | pondlife | linuxstb: You think some Nanos and Video are now unstable...? Any more clues? |
| 15:43:39 | amiconn | How does that help with mutexing? |
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| 15:44:36 | jhMikeS | you stall the other for a certain number of cycles if you're doing something not atomic so that it can't execute the instuctions that the unstalled cpu could in that time frame. it seems to actually be used like that. |
| 15:45:25 | linuxstb | pondlife: See the forums and IRC logs.... |
| 15:46:21 | pondlife | Hmm, I wasn't sure if the forum reports were still relevant or not. Maybe they are not... |
| 15:46:44 | * | linuxstb looks to amiconn to describe known PP issues to pondlife |
| 15:47:13 | pondlife | It's ok, I don't need the full detail... just was hoping to blitz some more "music playback" bugs. |
| 15:47:22 | pondlife | ...that are more "PP" bugs. |
| 15:48:41 | pondlife | I was hopeful that having seen amiconn mention 100% stability on 2G/3G, then he may have found out some useful stuff for the later models too. |
| 15:51:37 | linuxstb | IIUC, PP5020 is now stable, but there are IDE timing issues on PP5022 |
| 15:54:14 | * | barrywardell has a working CPUFREQ_SLEEP on his H10 :) |
| 15:54:29 | amiconn | oops |
| 15:54:38 | * | amiconn just managed to crash his 2nd gen |
| 15:54:45 | pondlife | 99.9% ? |
| 15:54:47 | pondlife | :) |
| 15:54:59 | amiconn | No, I did something I shouldn't have done |
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| 15:55:18 | amiconn | I entered the CPU_SLEEP test while music playing, but my test doesn't disable fiq, only irq... |
| 15:56:06 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Thinking about a sleep mode? |
| 15:56:47 | amiconn | I wanted to enter 'View battery' but accidentally entered 'View HW info' which does that test... |
| 15:56:54 | barrywardell | just keeping up with amiconn for now :) |
| 15:57:24 | * | linuxstb hands barrywardell some fast skates |
| 15:58:14 | * | pondlife hands over a jet pack too |
| 15:58:17 | linuxstb | barrywardell: BTW, have you tested Rolo recently on your H10? Has it been adjusted to .mi4 files yet? |
| 15:58:57 | * | GodEater_ finishes working in his changes to make "shortcuts" use read_line() and allow users to mark files as well as directories. |
| 15:59:04 | barrywardell | I think I adjusted it for mi4 files a while ago IIRC |
| 15:59:25 | GodEater_ | now - any clues as to why my diff thinks I've changed masses of stuff in onplay.c when I haven't ? |
| 15:59:28 | * | barrywardell accepts pondlife's jetpack but doesn't think it will be enough |
| 15:59:56 | * | pondlife fears barrywardell will crash, not just his H10. |
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| 16:00:05 | midkay | GodEater_: whitespace changes perhaps? |
| 16:00:39 | GodEater_ | midkay: I didn't make any |
| 16:01:01 | GodEater_ | the diff seems to be pulling out blank lines, and then putting them back in again - it's crazy |
| 16:01:02 | linuxstb | Did your editor? e.g. some might do things like strip trailing spaces |
| 16:01:07 | midkay | are you sure your editor didn't? |
| 16:01:13 | GodEater_ | not to my knowledge, but I'll check |
| 16:01:22 | midkay | yeah, right. some might remove useless spaces or convert tabs to spaces.. |
| 16:01:57 | * | pondlife is loving the random album feature. |
| 16:01:57 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Was rolo loading the original firmware (on either Sansa or H10) ? |
| 16:02:04 | bluebrother | you might try diff -b to ignore whitespace changes |
| 16:02:40 | * | bluebrother wonders how to pass options to svn's diff |
| 16:02:46 | GodEater_ | well we're supposed to not have tabs right ? |
| 16:03:01 | bluebrother | right. |
| 16:03:02 | linuxstb | GodEater_: My guess would be trailing spaces... |
| 16:03:11 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I can't remember, but I think it half worked (it started loading, but not fully) |
| 16:03:26 | pondlife | "Blank" lines which contain 4 spaces are quite common. |
| 16:03:36 | GodEater_ | ah - passing -b does indeed cut the size of the patch down massively |
| 16:03:36 | linuxstb | barrywardell: OK. I want to try and get it working on ipods, so was curious about its state on H10/Sansa. |
| 16:03:41 | pondlife | In SVN, I mean. |
| 16:03:45 | midkay | or line endings? CR/LF stuff or whatever? |
| 16:04:10 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I'll try it again in a few minutes and let you know |
| 16:04:11 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: I used git diff -b master..HEAD to get my diff - seems to pass the -b okay |
| 16:04:18 | * | amiconn does to implement dump_ide_registers() |
| 16:04:25 | GodEater_ | definitely wasn't line endings - I checked that |
| 16:05:06 | bluebrother | well, git diff can also output in color −− quite a nice advantage compared to svn |
| 16:06:40 | GodEater_ | not much use in a patch though ;) |
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| 16:07:01 | linuxstb | You use "−−diff-cmd xxx" to use an external diff utility with SVN. |
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| 16:13:37 | pixelma | linuxstb: did you read the update of the one reporting instabilities on his Ipod Video in today's log (somewhen in the morning)? |
| 16:15:02 | GodEater_ | pixelma: was that the chap who may have been short changed by Best Buy ? |
| 16:16:14 | linuxstb | He was the only person reporting problems on the Video? |
| 16:16:33 | pixelma | GodEater: yes |
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| 16:17:00 | pixelma | linuxstb: I'm not sure - but that's the only one I can think of ATM |
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| 16:24:48 | webguest22 | Does anybody know why I can't get Flac format songs onto my Ipod? |
| 16:25:03 | Soul-Slayer | Copy and paste them onto the drive in disk mode |
| 16:25:08 | Soul-Slayer | There's no reason they shouldn't copy. |
| 16:25:16 | bluebrother | because Itunes doesn't support flac? |
| 16:25:19 | B4gder | webguest22: sure, don't tell any details we'll soon have it figured out! |
| 16:25:27 | webguest22 | THANKS! |
| 16:25:29 | webguest22 | ok |
| 16:25:30 | webguest22 | seriously |
| 16:25:33 | * | bluebrother leaves for his crystal ball |
| 16:25:49 | webguest22 | I use foobar, and just rockboxed my 80 gig ipod |
| 16:26:00 | webguest22 | and when I try to send it to my ipod, it says flac not supported |
| 16:26:12 | B4gder | webguest22: just drag and drop the files |
| 16:26:17 | bluebrother | well, Ipods usually don't support flac ... |
| 16:26:20 | B4gder | no need to complicate matters |
| 16:26:36 | bluebrother | so (unsurprisingly) any Itunes sync plugin won't sync flac files. |
| 16:26:40 | webguest22 | ok, anywhere in the disc or the main folder? |
| 16:26:40 | B4gder | and then you go whine to the foobar guys :-) |
| 16:26:48 | B4gder | webguest22: anywhere you like |
| 16:26:56 | Soul-Slayer | But organisation always helps |
| 16:27:13 | Soul-Slayer | Having a root folder flooded with .flac files could get messy :p |
| 16:27:14 | B4gder | right, at least when organisation means not everything in a single folder ;-) |
| 16:27:27 | barrywardell | linuxstb: rolo-ing rockbox works, rolo-ing the of doesn't (on my H10) |
| 16:27:30 | bluebrother | I usually keep all my music below a folder /Music. Others may have different structures. |
| 16:27:36 | webguest22 | could I just copy paste my harddrive onto it? |
| 16:27:40 | webguest22 | portable |
| 16:27:42 | webguest22 | witha ll my music |
| 16:27:42 | Soul-Slayer | Yes. |
| 16:27:43 | webguest22 | *all |
| 16:27:48 | bluebrother | this also makes it easy creating a playlist from all files ;-) |
| 16:28:08 | webguest22 | really I just want them to be sorted by artists then album and I'm good, so thanks |
| 16:28:09 | Soul-Slayer | You can just copy and paste your music folder onto your ipod and it will be recognised. |
| 16:28:10 | bluebrother | the Ipod is simply a removable disk when running Rockbox. |
| 16:28:17 | * | amiconn recommends bluebrother to try this on a FAT16 volume ;) |
| 16:28:50 | linuxstb | barrywardell: You may want to do a test - dump the contents of IRAM to disk from the bootloader. The Apple bootloader seems to pass various bits of info to the main firmware via a struct at the end of IRAM. |
| 16:29:07 | Soul-Slayer | pondlife: Are we concerned that crossfade doesn't trigger now if you pause -> skip song -> play? There are no adverse effects apart from it simply not crossfading, however. |
| 16:29:16 | * | bluebrother wonders what amiconn wants to point out |
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| 16:30:34 | amiconn | bluebrother: The FAT16 root dir is fixed size. 512 entries, where a long filename takes multiple entries (up to 6 iirc) |
| 16:31:13 | bluebrother | aaah. I know that fact but I was wondering what I should try −− I don't put all my music in the root folder ;-) |
| 16:32:42 | obo | B4gder: make mapzip is fine, I just happened to have that patch floating around when someone mentioned it in the logs |
| 16:32:56 | obo | but it would be handy if the build system kept them around with the archived daily builds :) |
| 16:33:08 | bluebrother | *grrr* always this stupid web designers that require you to maximize the browser window |
| 16:33:21 | B4gder | ah right, for daily builds it would be very easy to keep the maps around... |
| 16:33:28 | * | low_light couldn't resist a Sansa C250 for $15 |
| 16:33:42 | B4gder | low_light: another mi4 port for you! |
| 16:33:53 | low_light | :) |
| 16:34:11 | B4gder | "just" an mrobe is too easy ;-P |
| 16:34:16 | * | bluebrother would be heavily tempted too |
| 16:34:55 | amiconn | low_light: Btw, what's the status of your m:robe port? |
| 16:35:02 | barrywardell | amiconn: care to look over my PP502x sleep patch? |
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| 16:35:52 | bluebrother | oh, we'll get sleep mode? |
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| 16:36:24 | low_light | amiconn: still no touchpad |
| 16:36:49 | barrywardell | bluebrother: not yet. my patch just allows running the cpu at a very low frequency (32kHz). the same as is already available for PP5002 |
| 16:37:27 | amiconn | barrywardell: Sure, could you put it up somewhere? |
| 16:37:42 | barrywardell | here it is: http://pastebin.ca/640578 |
| 16:37:42 | bluebrother | too bad ... but if you need testing I could try on a PP5022B |
| 16:37:58 | barrywardell | quite a few whitespace changes in there just to keep things tidy |
| 16:38:34 | barrywardell | bluebrother: it would be good to get some testing on PP5022 |
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| 16:39:12 | bluebrother | just post a patch somewhere and tell me what to try ;-) |
| 16:40:11 | amiconn | barrywardell: Ah, you've changed it so we're always running from source #2 after exitiing the function... |
| 16:40:40 | barrywardell | yes, I tried to make it more like the PP5002 version, which I find is easier to understand |
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| 16:41:47 | amiconn | I agree that it makes sense... |
| 16:41:48 | barrywardell | actually, source 2 was always the selected source |
| 16:41:58 | amiconn | Not for CPUFREQ_DEFAULT |
| 16:42:24 | barrywardell | why not? |
| 16:43:11 | amiconn | CPUFREQ_DEFAULT used to set use_pll = false |
| 16:43:12 | barrywardell | ah, I see. nvm |
| 16:43:28 | barrywardell | bluebrother: the pastbin l |
| 16:43:32 | barrywardell | I linked has the patch |
| 16:43:35 | amiconn | But that looked a bit kludgy, even though I added it ;) |
| 16:44:10 | B4gder | ok, starting tomorrow there will be a maps zip for each daily build |
| 16:44:29 | barrywardell | bluebrother: you'll also need some way of setting the cpu frequency to the CPUFREQ_SLEEP and testing that it's actually working |
| 16:44:34 | amiconn | barrywardell: I think that patch should be committed if it's confirmed stable on PP5020 and PP5022 |
| 16:44:38 | barrywardell | amiconn: I agree |
| 16:46:58 | barrywardell | amiconn: I'll run it on my H10 for the rest of the day and do the same on my Sansa. That just leaves PP5022 to be tested |
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| 16:47:15 | amiconn | I'll put it on my mini g2... |
| 16:47:53 | barrywardell | cool, can you check that it's actually running at 32kHz too? |
| 16:48:17 | amiconn | Should be simple... |
| 16:48:41 | * | amiconn often just sticks such tests in debug_menu.c:dbg_hw_info() |
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| 16:54:24 | obo | B4gder: nice - would it be useful for current builds as well? |
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| 16:55:23 | B4gder | I'd rather not, since it'll become a lot more transfers from all build servers |
| 16:55:34 | B4gder | let's start daily and see |
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| 16:56:34 | bluebrother | barrywardell: hmm, with only the patch applied I get a small gap in music output when entering the HW info screen. |
| 16:56:36 | Soul-Slayer | Didn't we agree r14099 caused some sort of bug? Or was that resolved? (The 'Add delete to WPS context menu' commit) |
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| 16:58:21 | barrywardell | bluebrother: hmmm...did you get that gap before the patch? |
| 16:58:48 | bluebrother | not sure ... will try a clean build |
| 16:59:09 | bluebrother | otherwise it plays fine so far. |
| 16:59:53 | barrywardell | ideally, it will behave exactly as before the patch |
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| 17:02:47 | amiconn | npp |
| 17:03:00 | bluebrother | wouldn't it be NPPP this time? *g* |
| 17:03:03 | amiconn | bluebrother: That's normal, and it was there before |
| 17:03:14 | amiconn | (the gap) |
| 17:03:27 | amiconn | This is because perfcheck() disables fiq |
| 17:03:50 | bluebrother | ok. I was just about testing |
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| 17:18:14 | amiconn | barrywardell: Sleep and clock setup in general are working fine on mini g2 |
| 17:18:31 | amiconn | Sleeping for 16384 loop cycles takes ~2 seconds |
| 17:19:28 | amiconn | Started playback with repeat all enabled... |
| 17:19:48 | barrywardell | great :) |
| 17:21:45 | * | amiconn chose to use a C delay loop this time |
| 17:22:12 | amiconn | I know to what arm instructions it compiles. Just for(i = 16384; i > 0; i−−); |
| 17:23:32 | barrywardell | same here on H10 |
| 17:24:59 | barrywardell | it takes approximately the same time too |
| 17:25:21 | amiconn | Yes, as expected |
| 17:25:38 | amiconn | The PP5020 and PP5022 have equal performance at the same clock |
| 17:26:14 | amiconn | It's just that PP5022 can be clocked higher (which we don't use), and supposedly draws less power at the same frequency |
| 17:26:41 | amiconn | PP5002 is slower from dram due to the broken cache. From iram it's as fast as PP502x |
| 17:27:41 | barrywardell | interesting. the test does funny things to the Sansa lcd |
| 17:28:36 | barrywardell | it ends up with the origin somewhere near the middle of the screen after running it |
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| 17:29:56 | barrywardell | but it does work as expected otherwise |
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| 18:10:46 | GodEater_ | after a day of frantic activity, it's all gone quiet |
| 18:11:24 | pixelma | but your favourite e200R user posted again in the forums... |
| 18:11:57 | * | GodEater_ washes his hands of that thread |
| 18:12:44 | GodEater_ | oh what a surprise - he's asking the same question all over again |
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| 18:21:44 | barrywardell | hmmm, crash on my H10. When you get back, amiconn, here's an updated version that doesn't crash: http://pastebin.ca/640705 |
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| 18:22:44 | barrywardell | I had to move CLCD_CLOCK_SRC to after setting CLOCK_SOURCE or else i would crash when the lcd got re-enabled after sleeping |
| 18:25:54 | toffe82 | Domonoky : can you make rbutil portable, what I mean is that actually all the downloaded files are kept in the user directory of the computer and it would be better to have everything in the same directory |
| 18:26:17 | toffe82 | the same directory as rbutil |
| 18:27:01 | toffe82 | and also, why keeping all the files ? |
| 18:27:27 | Domonoky_ | toffe82: to which rbutil version are you referring now ? Qt or wx ? :-) |
| 18:27:53 | toffe82 | wx |
| 18:28:24 | toffe82 | I have a folder with 22mb of rockbox files on my user folder :) |
| 18:28:30 | Domonoky_ | toffe82: if you use the clean download cache function, all those files are deleted... |
| 18:28:39 | Domonoky_ | 22mb :-) |
| 18:29:19 | bluebrother | millibytes? ;-) |
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| 18:29:53 | bluebrother | I was thinking of adding a configuration for the local repository to rbutilqt |
| 18:30:05 | Domonoky_ | the files are kept for caching.. so if you install the same build again, it doesnt download it again.. ( doesnt really make sense, now that we recommend the current build and not dailies) |
| 18:30:10 | toffe82 | I don't see the otpion on the 3.2.6 |
| 18:30:42 | Domonoky_ | toffe82: in the dropdown menü.. |
| 18:31:09 | toffe82 | ?? |
| 18:31:20 | Domonoky_ | where caching makes sense: is for the images in the theme installer.. |
| 18:31:33 | bluebrother | toffe82: from the "File" menu |
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| 18:32:27 | toffe82 | ok, I miss this one, but what I said before for a portable version is still valid ;) |
| 18:32:36 | toffe82 | so |
| 18:32:37 | bluebrother | btw, the output of rockbox-themes.org/rbutil.php isn't really nice for parsing :( |
| 18:32:41 | Domonoky_ | yes.. thats true.. |
| 18:33:17 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: its not to bad, just do some crude hack, like i have done in the wx version :-) |
| 18:33:46 | bluebrother | well, as the themes web site is about to be replaced I think we could also adjust the php script to something that's better suited. |
| 18:34:08 | bluebrother | easier to code, less potential errors ;-) |
| 18:34:25 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: thats true.. scorche, your job :-) |
| 18:35:15 | bluebrother | ini format or some simple xml like would be best I guess. |
| 18:35:46 | bluebrother | scorche: if you give me the php file I can look into improving it ;-) |
| 18:36:28 | bluebrother | but I think he's out for the next week. |
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| 18:38:48 | TickyTacky5 | im using windows xp and have a 30gb 5.5generation ipod with rockbox installed...how do i choose the default boot firmware? it defaults to rockbox, i would like it to default to the apple firmware |
| 18:40:41 | bluebrother | you can't do that. |
| 18:40:46 | Kasperle | TickyTacky5: i don't know whether that is possible, let alone how to do it. but do you know that you can just put it on "hold" when rebooting, to boot the apple firmware? |
| 18:40:54 | bluebrother | Rockbox bootloader will _always_ default to Rockbox. |
| 18:41:27 | bluebrother | but if you boot into AppleOS and shut down the player goes into a sleep state. I.e. if you start the player from that state you will be in AppleOS anyway. |
| 18:41:43 | bluebrother | to go back to Rockbox you need to reboot using a hardware reset. |
| 18:41:49 | bluebrother | ... but the manual covers this. |
| 18:41:51 | Kasperle | i didn't even know you could shut down the apple os manually? |
| 18:42:14 | bluebrother | well, I can do on my mini. Hold Play for a couple of seconds. |
| 18:42:36 | bluebrother | Don't know about newer Ipods but I don't think they removed that function ;-) |
| 18:42:42 | TickyTacky5 | if i shutdown while in apple os, then turn it on, it boots to rockbox |
| 18:43:03 | bluebrother | how do you shutdown the player? |
| 18:43:13 | TickyTacky5 | hold play/pause |
| 18:43:23 | bluebrother | Apple does *not* do a proper shutdown of the hardware so it can startup faster. |
| 18:43:57 | bluebrother | that's also the cause why booting Rockbox takes longer than booting AppleOS. |
| 18:44:09 | bluebrother | (well, booting in terms of "waking up") |
| 18:44:23 | TickyTacky5 | its the other way around for me, rockbox boots fairly quick, but apple os takes a while |
| 18:45:07 | bluebrother | well, speaking of a non-rockboxed Ipod, AppleOS is already loaded. |
| 18:45:31 | bluebrother | The Ipod does a hard shutdown after a bunch of hours (I think it's at least a couple of days) |
| 18:45:56 | bluebrother | in that case booting takes longer as it needs to load everything again. |
| 18:46:11 | TickyTacky5 | ah |
| 18:46:43 | bluebrother | but if you "shutdown" AppleOS and wake it up a short while later it will not reboot. |
| 18:47:01 | bluebrother | and due to this up almost instantly. |
| 18:47:06 | TickyTacky5 | also i saw someone playing pokemon using rockbox and i tried it and a few other gameboy roms which ive seen run on videos online but they were running horribly for me |
| 18:48:02 | * | bluebrother is not interested in playing games on the Ipod |
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| 19:36:36 | Torin | :] |
| 19:36:48 | lazka | wtf was that? |
| 19:36:57 | petur | a troll |
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| 19:37:11 | bluebrother | spam. |
| 19:37:21 | tomaw | Self-fixing spambot :) |
| 19:37:35 | bluebrother | but he didn't include "buy now" links ... |
| 19:37:53 | lazka | what is the benefit of saying "F*CK N*GGER..." 1000 times? |
| 19:37:59 | lazka | i don't get it |
| 19:38:14 | bluebrother | you have something to do: typing 1000 times the same |
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| 19:54:43 | amiconn | hmm, barrywardell is gone :/ |
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| 19:54:56 | pixelma | tomaw: ah, freenode staff watching over us? |
| 19:55:18 | tomaw | only because of the spambot earlier :) |
| 19:55:30 | pixelma | good to know :) |
| 19:55:45 | amiconn | I think I know why Barry's 1st version crashed on H10 and how to avoid that a bit cheaper |
| 19:57:20 | pixelma | petur: I believe that this is also Llorean's provider... |
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| 20:01:59 | maddler | evening all |
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| 20:13:41 | amiconn | With sleep test that properly disables FIQ as well, even calling it while music is playing is no problem. Music just stops during the test, then continues |
| 20:16:00 | * | petur would have expected the buildtable to be gapless now |
| 20:17:28 | * | amiconn wonders why people care about that gap so much |
| 20:17:55 | Llorean | Obsessive-compulsive disorder. It just looks wrong. :-P |
| 20:17:59 | maddler | brb |
| 20:18:02 | petur | heh |
| 20:18:29 | amiconn | Ah, hmm. Maybe some manual adjustment is necessary now |
| 20:18:33 | amiconn | Bagder? |
| 20:19:07 | Llorean | I'd have to talk to Zagor to get something changed on Flyspray, right? |
| 20:19:14 | * | Llorean really wants the "Vote" feature disabled, at least for bugs. |
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| 20:24:08 | tomaw | You guys seem to be okay now. If there's a problem in the future prod someone listed by /stats p and we'll take a look in to it :) |
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| 20:26:01 | Llorean | We had a problem? |
| 20:26:41 | petur | check the log, a bit after 19:00 |
| 20:26:50 | pixelma | a troll - joining from austin.res.rr.com... |
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| 20:35:15 | Llorean | Ah, that is 'special' |
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| 20:41:53 | rasher | Could anyone help me figure out why crosscompiling the sim no longer works for me. I get "No rule to make target `SDL.h'" (needed by /path/button.o). How can I figure out why it breaks on SDL.h? |
| 20:42:29 | rasher | Compiling windows sim on Linux, that is. It's the same setup I've been using for ages now. I can't see what might have changed. |
| 20:47:46 | preglow | wow, eventful evening |
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| 21:02:44 | rasher | Hrm, didn't we have long heated arguments about capitalisation once, and ended up deciding to use the rules of English, regardless of the whim of manufacturers? (ie. Ipod rather than iPod, Iaudio rather than iAudio) |
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| 21:05:25 | pixelma | If you refer to the changes in the wiki - I haven't been around for any discussions about it but I think it looks wrong now, too. |
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| 21:06:40 | rasher | That's where I saw it, and thought there were other uses in the manual as well, but it seems it's just a single (wrong) use of iPod in the installation instructions |
| 21:08:06 | amiconn | I'm not sure whether the discussion was about capitalisation in general |
| 21:08:21 | rasher | It was probably mostly related to the manual, yes |
| 21:08:23 | amiconn | I only remember that it's Iriver instead of iRiver |
| 21:08:38 | amiconn | But iAudio and iPod should be written like that, imho |
| 21:08:46 | david__ | can someone tell me why the ipod firmware loads by default after i disconnect my ipod from my computer? |
| 21:08:49 | Llorean | If I recall, it covered Iriver, Ipod, Iaudio, but was directed to the manual since that's the part we control. |
| 21:09:34 | Llorean | david__: If you're in the Apple firmware, you have to use Menu+Select to leave it. |
| 21:10:04 | rasher | It's just the easiest to simply use the English rules. Saves having to decide between iRiver <-> iriver, iAudio <-> iAUDIO etc. |
| 21:10:06 | david__ | right. that does a "hard reboot", right? i was just wondering if this is supposed to be happening |
| 21:10:16 | david__ | thx, llorean |
| 21:10:44 | rasher | And subjectively, I think it looks better. |
| 21:11:21 | rasher | I guess it's a lost cause in the wiki though. I wonder why someone took the time to correct those two pages |
| 21:11:22 | Llorean | I think, if you say it as a word "Ipod, not I P O D" then you should capitalize it as a normal word. We aren't putting logos throughout our text, merely words. |
| 21:12:09 | pixelma | I agree completely - I also think this way we are "safe" in case the companies decide to spell it differently. It's just a name. |
| 21:12:19 | * | Domonoky_ has commited nice little icons for the progress logger in the new rbutilqt :-) |
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| 21:12:53 | rasher | Anyway, the manual already does this. I don't think further discussion is necessarry. Just popped into my head when I saw the wiki edits. |
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| 21:13:40 | lostlogic | latest svn doesn't build without db / dircache |
| 21:13:48 | david__ | hey, one more little question. i'm getting clipping while listening to my database every 6 to 8 seconds, and i figured that maybe i can fix this by installing the latest build of rockbox. how do i upgrade? should i simply overwrite the .rockbox files with the new one? |
| 21:13:50 | lostlogic | debug menu ifdefs are effed |
| 21:14:40 | DervishD | david_, yes, you have to do just that |
| 21:14:57 | david__ | thx. any idea on that problem, thougH? have you ever heard of that? |
| 21:15:08 | DervishD | Never |
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| 21:15:20 | david__ | every 6 to 8 seconds, the sound stops and then plays again after a few milliseconds |
| 21:15:20 | DervishD | I don't have that problem in my iAudio X5V |
| 21:15:34 | DervishD | Which player do you have? |
| 21:15:41 | david__ | damn. i don't think i had it until i started moving a lot of flac files onto the ipod, too |
| 21:15:45 | david__ | Ipod 4th gen grayscale |
| 21:15:46 | rasher | david__, that's not what's called clipping. What you're hearing is the player failing to keep up with decoding the file. |
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| 21:16:02 | rasher | david__, do you use the equalizer? |
| 21:16:03 | david__ | well, sounds the same |
| 21:16:12 | DervishD | It's weird, an iPod short of CPU :? |
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| 21:16:26 | DervishD | Specially with FLAC, |
| 21:16:28 | david__ | no. i tried using that, and it would be almost impossible to use it, so i disabled the eq |
| 21:16:32 | david__ | heh |
| 21:16:58 | * | DerPapst agrees with amiconn |
| 21:16:58 | rasher | Is this while listening to flac? |
| 21:16:58 | DerPapst | i think it should be iPod and iAudio too |
| 21:17:01 | david__ | but i still get the disruption, like a buffer problem maybe, but ever few seconds |
| 21:17:21 | david__ | actually, if i listen to the flac files i uploaded to the ipod's root directory (even in database mode), no problem |
| 21:17:32 | DervishD | That's even weirder :? |
| 21:17:33 | david__ | but if i listen to the files i previously had on the ipod, i get the constant interruption |
| 21:17:39 | rasher | david__, which files are these? |
| 21:17:45 | DervishD | Have you checked they're not damaged? |
| 21:18:12 | rasher | Well, if they're aacs, it's no wonder |
| 21:18:26 | david__ | um. it's pretty much every mp3 file i already had on the ipod before i started loading it with flac files |
| 21:18:34 | david__ | i suppose they could be damaged..? |
| 21:18:44 | DervishD | almost all? |
| 21:18:46 | rasher | I'm fairly sure it's a cpu problem. |
| 21:18:54 | rasher | It sounds exactly like it. How old is your build? |
| 21:18:55 | david__ | i must have tried dozens. every one |
| 21:19:00 | david__ | but it's only in rockbox firmware |
| 21:19:05 | pixelma | david__: are there peakmeters in your wps? |
| 21:19:05 | DervishD | Another suggestion: do fsck.msdos |
| 21:19:06 | david__ | it's working in the ipod firmware |
| 21:19:23 | david__ | pixelma, i don't know what peakmeters or wps are |
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| 21:19:33 | rasher | david__, little bars moving with the music |
| 21:19:36 | david__ | oh |
| 21:19:45 | david__ | oh, yeah |
| 21:19:50 | Llorean | Exactly. They can make their logo look however they want, we're simply spelling the word that people actually speak, instead. |
| 21:19:50 | Llorean | Is there a WikiGuidelines somewhere? |
| 21:19:50 | Llorean | Or something similar? |
| 21:19:51 | pixelma | wps = while playing screen |
| 21:19:54 | Llorean | david__: Yes, though clipping usually suggests you've got the settings wrong. Are you using the equalizer? |
| 21:19:56 | david__ | yes, there are |
| 21:20:00 | Llorean | david__: What do you mean by "clipping"? |
| 21:20:02 | Llorean | Are you using it in the audio context, or do you mean "the sound cuts out every few seconds"? |
| 21:20:19 | david__ | the sounds cuts every few seconds. i'm not sure what the actual source of this interruption is |
| 21:20:23 | rasher | Llorean, welcome back to the future. |
| 21:20:25 | david__ | and i am not using the equalizer |
| 21:20:25 | DervishD | Sorry for not helping more, but I have to go now (my wife's gonna kill me...) |
| 21:20:26 | david__ | i know that much |
| 21:20:32 | DervishD | Pleased to meet you :) |
| 21:20:34 | david__ | oh, thx anyway |
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| 21:20:39 | david__ | :) |
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| 21:20:48 | rasher | david__, It's probably because of the peakmeters, try switching to a different WPS |
| 21:20:56 | david__ | wps means..? |
| 21:21:02 | rasher | While Playing screen |
| 21:21:09 | david__ | oh ok |
| 21:21:12 | amiconn | Llorean: Could you run a special build both on a nano with flash version 1.2.x and 1.3.x? |
| 21:21:21 | rasher | david__, switching themes will change the wps as well |
| 21:21:52 | amiconn | Preferably with -wf'ing rockbox.ipod to the firmware partiton, so the bootloader won't fiddle with the ata settings |
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| 21:22:01 | david__ | oh |
| 21:22:09 | * | Llorean sighs |
| 21:22:14 | david__ | i am using the default theme, btw |
| 21:22:29 | david__ | but i will try to switch the wps...do you mean that i should accomplish this by switching themes? |
| 21:22:34 | david__ | or that's in the settings |
| 21:22:42 | Llorean | rasher: I'm at a hotel with incredibly shaky internet access. So when I say things doesn't necessarily align with when you guys see them, at all. ;) |
| 21:22:49 | rasher | david__, Just switch to a different theme |
| 21:22:53 | david__ | k |
| 21:23:09 | rasher | david__, you can change the wps seperately as well, but the easiest is to switch the theme |
| 21:23:28 | david__ | i haven't even explored the themes yet.. |
| 21:23:36 | david__ | i see them in the settings, thoughh |
| 21:23:53 | rasher | I don't really know what's a good suggestion to use |
| 21:23:59 | david__ | do i have to reboot for the theme to change? |
| 21:24:05 | david__ | after setting it to another |
| 21:24:10 | rasher | no |
| 21:24:14 | rasher | It works instantly |
| 21:24:40 | amiconn | Llorean: saw my question? |
| 21:24:58 | DerPapst | instand rockbox! now new with chocolate flavour |
| 21:25:27 | Llorean | amiconn: Missed it, found it in the logs. Assuming the files DerPapst gave me will allow me to downgrade my flash it should be no problem. |
| 21:25:41 | Llorean | Though I'll try in 1.2 first, actually, so it's no problem either way |
| 21:25:45 | DerPapst | this will work |
| 21:25:51 | DerPapst | i'm 99% sure about it |
| 21:26:03 | Llorean | Yeah, I'm 99% as well, but there's always that sneaky little 1% ;) |
| 21:26:15 | Llorean | I never trust *anything* until I've done it myself. |
| 21:26:30 | pixelma | if DerPapst himself says that who will doubt ;) |
| 21:26:42 | DerPapst | well it worked on other iPods so far. Including my 5.5G iPod... so i would wonder if it doesn't work |
| 21:27:04 | DerPapst | DerPapst == Unfehlbar :D |
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| 21:27:43 | david__ | i keep trying to change the theme, but it just looks the same |
| 21:27:56 | Llorean | DerPapst: Well, I can't even make my flash dump in Rockbox right now. For all I know, mine has exploded and that's why my iPod is the last one working. :) |
| 21:28:08 | Llorean | amiconn: Is this special build posted somewhere, or are you going to just give me a diff? |
| 21:28:11 | pixelma | david__: did you install the font.zip? |
| 21:28:19 | david__ | idk |
| 21:28:31 | rasher | david__, you probably don't have the extra fonts installed. They can be downloaded on the current build page |
| 21:28:36 | david__ | ok |
| 21:28:43 | david__ | i should probably just upgrade to the current build anyway |
| 21:28:43 | amiconn | Llorean: A diff. It's a hack that reads the ata register range (in main.c) and then dumps it after all the inits are done |
| 21:28:53 | DerPapst | Llorean: what exploded? |
| 21:29:28 | DerPapst | (sounds scary) |
| 21:30:03 | Llorean | DerPapst: My flash ROM? Who knows? |
| 21:30:24 | Llorean | amiconn: Alright, is there a link in the logs that I missed, or are you writing it now? |
| 21:30:27 | amiconn | Llorean: Hmm, I wonder whether this dump will work then... |
| 21:30:31 | pixelma | david__: the fonts are in a separate zip you should install additionally (the manual has links and explanation) |
| 21:30:48 | david__ | oh, ok |
| 21:31:31 | amiconn | Llorean: http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/atadump.diff |
| 21:33:14 | Llorean | Compiling now, what am I looking for. The dump is automatic on boot? |
| 21:33:33 | Llorean | You'll just need the ata_reg_dump.bin files? |
| 21:35:28 | rasher | Hrm.. rbutil doesn't fit on a standard GNOME desktop in 800x600 resolution |
| 21:35:56 | GodEater | I blame the UI designers |
| 21:36:06 | DerPapst | I really don't get why your flash rom should be faulty... I mean the iPod still boots and discmode and diaconstic mode are working too. So if there is something wrong with it i doubt your iPod be working. I would more think of a strange bug in rockbox. |
| 21:36:34 | GodEater | DerPapst: I think llorean was kidding when he said he thought it had exploded |
| 21:36:36 | Llorean | amiconn: 512 bytes a reasonable size? |
| 21:36:45 | amiconn | yes |
| 21:36:57 | DerPapst | GodEater: anywas... he can't dump it |
| 21:37:08 | DerPapst | so something is wrong then |
| 21:37:20 | DerPapst | and dumping works at least on my 5.5G iPod |
| 21:37:25 | GodEater | perhaps it's the wrong day of the week :) |
| 21:37:44 | DerPapst | already 2 days ago huh? ;) |
| 21:37:56 | amiconn | Llorean: DId you do it with 1.2 or 1.3? |
| 21:38:20 | Llorean | amiconn: 1.2 |
| 21:38:23 | Llorean | Flashing 1.3.1 now |
| 21:39:01 | GodEater | there's a 1.3.1 out there now ? |
| 21:39:20 | DerPapst | Llorean: btw have you used the bootloader for this test or have you installed rockbox.ipod on the firmware partition? |
| 21:39:28 | Llorean | DerPapst: Bootloader |
| 21:39:33 | DerPapst | GodEater: for nanos yes. |
| 21:39:40 | GodEater | ah |
| 21:39:56 | DerPapst | Llorean: because amiconn said to write the rockbox.ipod to the fw partiton |
| 21:40:01 | Llorean | Ah, missed that |
| 21:40:02 | DerPapst | without using the bootloader |
| 21:40:11 | Llorean | I'll do that then |
| 21:40:19 | DerPapst | so that it doesn't mess with whatever rockbox dumps now |
| 21:40:31 | DerPapst | ok ;) |
| 21:40:51 | amiconn | The bootloader also calls ata_init() which changes some of the registers I'm interested in |
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| 21:41:20 | amiconn | The hack reads the registers before ata_init() is called in main rockbox |
| 21:42:36 | Llorean | Alright, well I have a good 1.3.1 dump, and I'll redo that 1.2 dump in just a minute. |
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| 21:44:09 | Llorean | amiconn: llorean.dyndns.org/rockbox/ata_reg_dump_1.3.1.bin">http://llorean.dyndns.org/rockbox/ata_reg_dump_1.3.1.bin |
| 21:44:58 | amiconn | 403... |
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| 21:45:31 | Llorean | I'll fix |
| 21:45:58 | Llorean | Try again? |
| 21:46:49 | amiconn | thx |
| 21:47:02 | Llorean | llorean.dyndns.org/rockbox/ata_reg_dump_1.2.bin">http://llorean.dyndns.org/rockbox/ata_reg_dump_1.2.bin should be there now too |
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| 21:48:02 | * | DerPapst sees ... numbers... and letters like 11 and QT :P |
| 21:49:10 | * | DerPapst is curious how Llorean's iPod behaves now. Will it downgrade or net... ;) |
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| 21:49:19 | DerPapst | *not |
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| 21:50:20 | amiconn | Llorean: Thanks. |
| 21:50:32 | AceNik | uys is the server down, i cant update? |
| 21:50:48 | AceNik | it says unknown hostname |
| 21:50:54 | GodEater | they appear identical to me amiconn |
| 21:50:57 | Llorean | DerPapst: Music is playing without data aborts. |
| 21:50:57 | amiconn | Unfortunately the register setup is identical |
| 21:51:29 | amiconn | But the setup is rather different from what rockbox does |
| 21:51:32 | GodEater | AceNik: we're not very good at guess the hostname |
| 21:51:33 | DerPapst | Llorean: ooh? |
| 21:51:35 | amiconn | Have to investigate... |
| 21:51:35 | Llorean | Well, let me upgrade to 1.3.1 again, and see if it breaks playback, since that's not what I tested. |
| 21:51:42 | Llorean | DerPapst: That just means I downgraded to 1.2 safely |
| 21:51:46 | DerPapst | Llorean: can you dump the flash now btw? |
| 21:52:06 | Llorean | Nope |
| 21:52:11 | DerPapst | odd |
| 21:52:19 | * | amiconn wonders when his 2nd gen's battery will give up... |
| 21:52:26 | AceNik | unknown hostname "svn.rockbox.org" |
| 21:52:28 | amiconn | It was playing all day without recharging... |
| 21:52:31 | GodEater | amiconn: is this your aftermarket one ? |
| 21:52:56 | amiconn | Voltage is still ~3.65V |
| 21:52:57 | GodEater | AceNik: unknown hostname does not mean it's down, it means your DNS doesn't know it |
| 21:53:16 | AceNik | what do i do , it just stopped suddenly ? |
| 21:53:24 | GodEater | svn.rockbox.org has address 83.168.254.42 |
| 21:53:25 | amiconn | GodEater: It's a NewerTech 1600mAh battery |
| 21:53:43 | GodEater | AceNik: you could add that to your host file |
| 21:53:53 | GodEater | amiconn: what's the stock mAh on a 2G ? |
| 21:53:54 | amiconn | Stock battery is 1230mAh according to http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html |
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| 21:54:00 | GodEater | you read my mind |
| 21:54:01 | GodEater | :) |
| 21:54:09 | AceNik | godeater: i was tryin to do a svn up , while my net connetion switched off, after i reconnect it doesnt update, & gives this error |
| 21:54:13 | GodEater | how long have you got out of it so far |
| 21:54:14 | GodEater | ? |
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| 21:54:42 | GodEater | AceNik: as I said, add it to your hosts files |
| 21:54:48 | GodEater | s/files/file |
| 21:55:44 | amiconn | GodEater: Umm, not sure. Runtime isn't correct because it (1) doesn't detect the charger and (2) I reset several times to put something on disk |
| 21:56:10 | Llorean | DerPapst: I'm not sure my player is upgrading to 1.3.1 properly |
| 21:56:11 | amiconn | (and no, it doesn't recharge when I connect it to my laptop's firewire connector, which is 4-pin) |
| 21:56:11 | GodEater | early days for a battery benchmark I guess |
| 21:56:16 | Llorean | At least, it still says "1.2" in the about screen |
| 21:56:39 | GodEater | Llorean is the owner of the worlds only unflashable nano |
| 21:56:43 | amiconn | I think it was playing for at least 8 hours today |
| 21:56:54 | AceNik | where is this s/files/file |
| 21:56:57 | GodEater | amiconn: that's pretty impressive |
| 21:57:06 | GodEater | AceNik: depends on your OS - google for it |
| 21:57:07 | Llorean | GodEater: Yeah, but that's the on-disk firmware |
| 21:57:38 | GodEater | Llorean: neat :) |
| 21:57:46 | DerPapst | Llorean: have you used the image i gave you or the once downloaded from apple.com? |
| 21:57:46 | Llorean | Oh, wait |
| 21:57:49 | GodEater | you've set the whole device read only ;) |
| 21:57:49 | Llorean | 1.3.1 is installed |
| 21:57:53 | Llorean | DerPapst: I found the problem |
| 21:58:01 | DerPapst | ok ;) |
| 21:58:03 | Llorean | When booting into the OF it was loading the apple_os.ipod off my fat32 partition |
| 21:58:10 | Llorean | So, the flash was fine, it just wasn't loading the right actual firmware |
| 21:58:19 | Llorean | Which wouldn't have affected the test anyway |
| 21:58:56 | * | amiconn dives into OF disassemblies looking for accesses to the ata register range |
| 21:59:02 | Llorean | Hm |
| 21:59:10 | Llorean | Most people said problems crop up within 5-7 seconds. |
| 21:59:13 | Llorean | My Rockbox is working. :( |
| 21:59:50 | amiconn | Maybe it doesn't depend on the flash version, but on the installed flash disk chips |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:22 | amiconn | ...which might correlate to the flash version installed during manufacturing |
| 22:00:27 | Llorean | Very possible |
| 22:00:50 | amiconn | What does 'View Disk Info' display on the nano, btw? |
| 22:00:56 | amiconn | (disk type etc) |
| 22:00:57 | Llorean | It would explain why it's a minority that's experiencing it, since it would be probably the last batch or two of 1st gen Nanos |
| 22:01:31 | AceNik | Godeater: how do i do a svn cleanup |
| 22:01:45 | GodEater | AceNik: a what ? |
| 22:01:51 | amiconn | The interesting details would be Model, Firmware, PIO modes and Cycle times |
| 22:02:06 | AceNik | you know when there is a lock created in svn |
| 22:02:22 | amiconn | Oh, and IORDY support and IORDY disable |
| 22:02:42 | Llorean | amiconn: Model: SST55LD019K-45-C-MWE (may extend off the screen). Firmware : ADBA40KA. PIO modes: 0 1 2 3 4, Cycle times: 120ns/120ns |
| 22:02:54 | Llorean | IRODY support: yes, disable: no |
| 22:03:09 | amiconn | And now the same from a problematic nano... |
| 22:04:08 | GodEater | AceNik: I have no idea - again, google for it |
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| 22:04:54 | Llorean | amiconn: Okay, requesting |
| 22:06:00 | GodEater | don't hold your breath |
| 22:07:16 | GodEater | Llorean: "now problems" or "no problems" ? :) |
| 22:07:53 | Llorean | I don't know what you're talking about! ;) |
| 22:08:05 | GodEater | Suuuure you don't (/me notices the edit) |
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| 22:09:02 | Llorean | What edit? |
| 22:10:32 | GodEater | cheat |
| 22:11:08 | Llorean | Hopefully a few of them have notifications set on that thread. |
| 22:11:45 | GodEater | looks like I have to teach myself the menu api for my delete option |
| 22:11:51 | GodEater | not tonight - too tired |
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| 22:28:21 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: just came back and noticed your last commit. Nice. |
| 22:28:31 | Llorean | bluebrother: In regard to the Nano issue, we've got at least 4 people who can reproduce it. |
| 22:28:52 | Llorean | Though we haven't identified a correlating factor yet (it used to seem like it was firmware version 1.3/1.3.1 vs 1.2 and earlier, but I seem to have disproved that) |
| 22:29:16 | bluebrother | I added icons to the Ok / Cancel buttons (and a few others too), but I need to separate that from the rest of my changes first. |
| 22:29:31 | bluebrother | Llorean: why should the OF make a difference? It isn't even running ... |
| 22:29:51 | Llorean | bluebrother: Hardware init in the flash part of it. |
| 22:30:24 | bluebrother | does the firmware update of Apple also replace the flash? |
| 22:30:27 | Llorean | Yes |
| 22:30:39 | Llorean | That's why it'll insist you plug in the player during a portion of it |
| 22:30:56 | bluebrother | hmm, never used itunes with my Ipod ;-) |
| 22:31:04 | amiconn | It doesn't do so on all ipods afaik |
| 22:31:20 | Llorean | But it at least does on 5G/Nano |
| 22:31:34 | Llorean | The only permanent brick I've ever heard of resulted in someone holding Menu+Select during the progress bar of the flash update. |
| 22:31:35 | amiconn | But on my 2nd gen the apple updater also initiated a flash update when I used it to convert it to a winpod |
| 22:31:41 | amiconn | ouch |
| 22:32:05 | amiconn | Menu+Select is hardware reset, and it's not wise to reset while flashing... |
| 22:32:12 | Llorean | Yep |
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| 22:32:47 | amiconn | It's funny that the apple loader insists on plugging power for flashing, even if the battery is fully charged |
| 22:32:59 | Soul-Slayer | Better safe than sorry |
| 22:33:20 | amiconn | That irritated me when doing the conversion... it just displayed a firewire plug and an arrow, then shutdown... |
| 22:33:37 | amiconn | Took me a while to understand that the plug means it wants power... |
| 22:33:43 | Soul-Slayer | Heh |
| 22:33:56 | Llorean | Though unlike it suggests, it doesn't have to be wall-power |
| 22:34:10 | petur | hmmm somebody should make the users clear that we're supposed to clean up the tracker, not add new items :) |
| 22:34:42 | bluebrother | next time I add a "do NOT add new tasks during that period" notice to the announcement ;-) |
| 22:35:01 | * | amiconn wonders how far the battery voltage will go down until it dies. |
| 22:35:18 | amiconn | I expected ~3.5V, but it's at 3.3V now and still playing |
| 22:35:41 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: i also have the talkfile creator ported, but i dont have the ui for it at moment, and its to late for today :-) |
| 22:35:50 | bluebrother | barrywardell: I had my mini running with your patch and it worked nicely so far. |
| 22:36:11 | barrywardell | bluebrother: great. my sansa is still running fine too |
| 22:36:12 | amiconn | But now I can see that backlight intensity changes when boosting/unboosting |
| 22:36:22 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: I wanted to finish the theme installer but I had some RL stuff to do. |
| 22:36:34 | barrywardell | i'm just catching up on the logs. it seems amiconn has an idea about the h10 problem? |
| 22:36:37 | bluebrother | also, I think it's better to adjust rbutil.php first to make it less error-prone |
| 22:36:46 | barrywardell | it works fine with the change I made btw. |
| 22:37:04 | bluebrother | but I'll keep working on it ;-) |
| 22:37:12 | amiconn | barrywardell: You're correct that the order of switching cpu and lcd clock matters. I thought my idea would be more efficient, but it isn't |
| 22:37:25 | amiconn | Does your second version work without crashing? |
| 22:37:28 | barrywardell | ah, ok. |
| 22:37:43 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: :-) not long, and we have it on pair with the wx version :-) |
| 22:37:47 | barrywardell | yes, the crash was very reproducable before |
| 22:38:03 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: btw, what icons did you use? All other icons are taken from the tango project afaik |
| 22:38:04 | barrywardell | not I haven't been able to get it to crash since and have had it running for several hours |
| 22:38:08 | barrywardell | until the battery died |
| 22:38:17 | bluebrother | so checking for tango icons might look a bit more consistent ;-) |
| 22:38:21 | amiconn | Works like a charm on mini 2nd gen as well |
| 22:38:29 | barrywardell | commit? |
| 22:38:33 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: the icons where from gnome-icon-theme |
| 22:38:34 | amiconn | I'd say so |
| 22:39:12 | amiconn | jhMikeS: around? |
| 22:39:16 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: feel free to change the icons, i wanted to get the code for it in.. :-) because you need those log calls everywhere.. |
| 22:39:55 | bluebrother | ok, great. |
| 22:40:22 | bluebrother | gtg soon, but I think I'll give it a try soon, and also add my button icons. |
| 22:40:57 | bluebrother | hehe, they even have icons for the Ipod. Now if we have icons for the other brands we could add icons in the device selection ;-) |
| 22:41:16 | Llorean | Alright, my Nano's still playing, which I think means officially that I cannot reproduce this issue. :( |
| 22:41:19 | Domonoky_ | :-) we have small icon for the archos.. |
| 22:41:24 | rasher | bluebrother, You could check the tango-artists mailinglist and request |
| 22:42:00 | rasher | Since we already have svgs from the manual, they should have an easy job |
| 22:42:23 | bluebrother | good point. |
| 22:42:46 | bluebrother | but I gtg now. bbl. |
| 22:42:53 | rasher | Tangofying existing svgs shouldn't be hard |
| 22:43:02 | rasher | I could write a mail if you need those icons? |
| 22:44:46 | bluebrother | well, I don't _need_ them. But it could make things a bit nicer. |
| 22:45:10 | rasher | Are the current svgs gpl or gfdl? |
| 22:45:12 | bluebrother | btw, we don't have a svg for Ipod 1G / 2G. pixelma ...? |
| 22:45:31 | bluebrother | not sure. The manual is gfdl, so I guess the svgs are too. |
| 22:45:45 | bluebrother | but I'm out now. cu later. |
| 22:45:48 | pixelma | yes, will do one as soon as I get a decent scan... :) |
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| 22:46:45 | rasher | How many people besides pixelma have contributed device svgs, and would it be troublesome to relicense them under gpl if tango artists want to use them as a base for an icon? |
| 22:46:58 | rasher | Dual-license, I suppose. |
| 22:47:28 | rasher | Since the icons will need to be gpl if they're to be included in rbutilqt |
| 22:47:41 | Llorean | Are they loaded from disk or compiled in? |
| 22:48:07 | rasher | Compiled in. Iirc, the goal is to pretty much have a single binary and a config file |
| 22:48:29 | pixelma | as far as I'm aware 1 person helped - someone with the nickname "yossa" (Piotr...) helped with the initial drawing of the Sansa |
| 22:48:53 | rasher | pixelma, and you hold copyright on the rest of the svgs? |
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| 22:49:52 | pixelma | if I'm not forgetting one... |
| 22:50:24 | barrywardell | I think I have a contact address for the guy that made the sansa svg... |
| 22:50:43 | amiconn | Okay, going below 3.4V on 2nd gen isn't recommended. Boosting is visible in backlight (gets darker) and lcd contrast drifts away |
| 22:51:03 | pixelma | barrywardell: that's not the one you contacted last time |
| 22:51:24 | barrywardell | ah, ok. |
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| 22:53:27 | pixelma | I should have his email address |
| 22:54:06 | Llorean | Bagder: It's possible I can get access to an e200R to run tests on it, assuming they're all read-only tests (no writing as it's a friends and she may not entirely trust me unless I give her a good deal of reassurance that nothing will be changed) |
| 22:54:11 | Llorean | If you had any specific ideas on tests to run |
| 22:54:11 | rasher | Hrm, a Frederik Vestre created nano,mini and video svgs. But I'm not sure if they were replaced, or modified by pixelma |
| 22:54:26 | pixelma | they were replaced |
| 22:54:40 | linuxstb | Llorean: Regarding flash upgrades and power - my ipod Color refuses to reflash when connected to USB and demands the wall adapter. |
| 22:54:45 | Bagder | Llorean: I would expect some coding of test programs needed |
| 22:55:05 | Bagder | like one that reads the entire NAND |
| 22:55:08 | Llorean | linuxstb: Mine asked for wall power, I plugged it into my laptop, the progress bar progressed like normal, and everything seemed to be upgraded. |
| 22:55:10 | Bagder | and scans for the BL |
| 22:55:14 | Llorean | Since I can't dump the flash, I can't be 100% sure though |
| 22:55:20 | linuxstb | Bagder: Has anyone physically dissected an E200R to see if any components are different? |
| 22:55:27 | Bagder | not that I know of |
| 22:55:38 | linuxstb | Maybe that's something to ask on the forum thread? |
| 22:55:50 | rasher | pixelma, okay, then you do hold all the copyrights except the sansa. I'm assuming you don't have a problem with using them under the GPL as well as the GFDL? |
| 22:55:54 | Bagder | my dev board had Rhapsody sw installed and was identical to my "regular" ones |
| 22:56:08 | Bagder | so I've just pretty much assumed they're next to identical |
| 22:56:40 | Bagder | although this dev sw is a hybrid Rhapsody and not the same as in the actual R models |
| 22:57:07 | linuxstb | I'm just searching for places the bootloader could be... Another check would be the exact size of the flash disk - i.e. if the usb disk mode code is hiding some of it. |
| 22:57:25 | Bagder | linuxstb: exactly what I just asked in the R thread ;-) |
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| 22:57:46 | pixelma | rasher: not at all |
| 22:58:54 | linuxstb | Bagder: So I see - good idea ;) |
| 22:59:06 | rasher | pixelma, Excellent. Maybe we could get some tangofied device icons then |
| 22:59:38 | * | Llorean wonders what exactly "tangofied" means. |
| 22:59:49 | Llorean | I'm aware of the Tango project, but what would it mean? |
| 22:59:56 | amiconn | Anyone else around who knows how to use the PP emulator? |
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| 23:00:35 | rasher | Llorean, That they look like Tango icons. The same aspect, have a contrast-line, use the same colourscheme where applicable etc. |
| 23:00:43 | Llorean | Ah |
| 23:00:46 | Llorean | So, integration. |
| 23:01:12 | rasher | Yeah, but the way the rules are set up means they look nice pretty much wherever you use the |
| 23:01:15 | rasher | m |
| 23:01:30 | rasher | So they'll fit in on Windows, mac and Linux alike |
| 23:01:37 | * | amiconn thinks it's a funny coincidence that PP5002 is called Tango digital media platform... |
| 23:02:05 | Bagder | all part of the same conspiracy! |
| 23:03:04 | pixelma | rasher: hmm... can't find the old email of him directly (but I know he's registered in flyspray). And I'm almost sure he said "use as you like" but better to ask him again |
| 23:03:34 | * | linuxstb reads the latest post to the E200R thread and bangs head on table |
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| 23:04:02 | pixelma | he's also registered in the forums (same nick) |
| 23:04:56 | rasher | pixelma, I'll just send off the mail and just leave out the sansa svg. If we end up needing it, I'll see about contacting him |
| 23:06:22 | pixelma | ok |
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| 23:12:00 | NirIzr | I was thinking, how hard will it be to convert an application as a plugin for rockbox? |
| 23:12:50 | Bagder | woo, that's a neat data sheet |
| 23:12:57 | Bagder | TCC76x |
| 23:13:10 | Llorean | NirIzr: That depends an awful lot on what the program is, how it was coded, what it requires, and other factors. |
| 23:13:11 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:13:16 | Llorean | Bagder: "neat" in a good way? |
| 23:13:18 | Rondom | NirIzr: depends on the applicati+#n |
| 23:13:23 | Bagder | 285 pages of goodies, yes |
| 23:13:27 | Llorean | Oooh |
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| 23:13:37 | Llorean | So, the useful sort of data sheet? |
| 23:13:52 | Bagder | very much so |
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| 23:14:50 | pixelma | rasher: the only thing about those svgs - they contain a workaround for a problem that occured with a "clean" version (for objects with a complete "hole" in it). Don't know what the Tango guys need... |
| 23:14:57 | barrywardell | linuxstb: did you see my comment on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5226? |
| 23:15:02 | Bagder | pins, register maps, the lot |
| 23:16:01 | pixelma | rasher: that problem occured when converting the svg to png/pdf which is used later |
| 23:17:21 | rasher | pixelma, Ah, well. I don't think there'll be any issues |
| 23:18:06 | amiconn | hmrf |
| 23:18:22 | * | amiconn also wants a register map - for pp :( |
| 23:19:34 | Bagder | even the usb controller is in there |
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| 23:20:03 | Bagder | and LCD... |
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| 23:20:26 | * | petur looks for austriancoder... and fails :/ |
| 23:20:33 | pixelma | rasher: basically I cut these objects into two when necessary, but I think they could be merged easily and they are not too many... |
| 23:22:32 | Bagder | so, you can actually load code into the TCC over usb by fiddling some pins on boot |
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| 23:24:57 | petur | anybody know why recordings on RTC targets start with R and on non-RTC with rec_ ? |
| 23:25:17 | Bagder | possibly to keep the name short? |
| 23:26:25 | pixelma | on non-RTC targets the filename will just count from rec_0001 up - the filename of RTC targets contains a timestamp |
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| 23:27:54 | petur | that I know... ;) |
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| 23:30:04 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Just read it now. I think my patch did more than your's - it removed all code from IRAM (the change in config.h), not just the ASM functions. |
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| 23:31:24 | webguest44 | Hi. I was thinking about getting an ipod mini, but does rockbox support fm transmitters and stuff? |
| 23:31:37 | amiconn | Llorean: If I am right we're setting a far more aggressive pio timing than we should for the clock frequencies we use... |
| 23:32:08 | amiconn | (and we're using pio because we don't know how to use dma) |
| 23:32:24 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I see. so do you think we need to test in all areas of rockbox, not just flac? |
| 23:32:57 | barrywardell | I can't find ICODE_SECTION defined anywhere else in the rockbox code |
| 23:33:58 | barrywardell | ah, but there's ICODE_ATTR too |
| 23:34:43 | rasher | webguest44, Depends on what type of transmitter it is. If it interfaces with the ipod in any way other than capturing the sound output, the answer is no. |
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| 23:35:09 | Llorean | amiconn: So the solution is either less aggressive, or figure out DMA? |
| 23:35:13 | amiconn | Now if our LA wizard were here... |
| 23:35:27 | * | amiconn would like to see some measurements of this |
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| 23:37:50 | rasher | I'll try asking again, since it seems few people were here last time I asked. Could anyone help me figure out why crosscompiling the sim no longer works for me. I get "No rule to make target `SDL.h'" (needed by /path/button.o). How can I figure out why it breaks on SDL.h? |
| 23:38:07 | rasher | My build environment has worked previously, and I don't believe I've changed anything that should matter. |
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| 23:39:18 | Bagder | rasher: it looks like it gets a dependency on that header file but the header file is then missing... ? |
| 23:39:36 | rasher | Bagder, how do I figure out why it's not looking where that header file is? |
| 23:39:58 | Bagder | rasher: start by browsing the generated dependency file |
| 23:40:13 | Bagder | dep-* something |
| 23:40:35 | rasher | Ah, sim/dep-sim |
| 23:41:26 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I've never managed to understand what effect IRAM usage has on the PP5020... In some cases when I've tried putting code in IRAM, it runs slower... |
| 23:42:13 | linuxstb | It's very likely related to where the data is as well - ARM can use relative addresses to access the data if it's near the code. |
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| 23:42:38 | rasher | Bagder, hrm yeah, that just lists "/long/path/button.o \\n SDL.h" |
| 23:42:51 | rasher | I assume there ought to be a path in front of the SDL.h |
| 23:42:58 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:43:15 | barrywardell | linuxstb: so code+data in iram is probably fast, but code in iram, data in dram is slower? |
| 23:43:28 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Possibly... |
| 23:43:36 | Bagder | rasher: compare to a non cross-compiled build and see if you understand more |
| 23:44:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: Did you compare the generated asm? |
| 23:45:42 | amiconn | Could also be cache aliasing effects - moving the code to iram causes the data to be at a different location in dram |
| 23:45:44 | webguest44 | rasher: How about a fm transmitter? Oh wait thats capturing sound. darn. thanks anyway. |
| 23:46:31 | rasher | webguest44, if it's controllable from the ipod, it won't work. If it simply plugs into the headphone output, it will |
| 23:47:11 | rasher | Bagder, yeah that gets a real path. How is this dep file generated? |
| 23:47:28 | Bagder | rasher: tools/make.inc |
| 23:47:40 | Bagder | it's not an easy read though |
| 23:47:58 | rasher | darn |
| 23:48:06 | Bagder | it uses gcc -MG -MM -MT basically |
| 23:48:23 | Bagder | it probably needs the include path for SDL.h in CFLAGS or something |
| 23:49:06 | rasher | I really wonder why it stopped working. Any changes recently, or is it likely to be a change at my end? |
| 23:49:24 | Bagder | I can't remember any change in this area for a loong while |
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| 23:53:29 | DerPapst | Llorean: about flash upgrades and power... afaik all iPod that can be connected over firewire request firewire power for updating. So the only iPod that are happy with usb power wile updating the flash are nano and video iPods. Afair the other nanos don't even accept usb wall chargers... |
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| 23:53:54 | Llorean | DerPapst: The 2G Nano's can't be charged from the wall?! |
| 23:54:11 | DerPapst | with a usb wall charger sure. |
| 23:54:24 | Llorean | Well, that's the only iPod charger I've seen sold these days, the USB one. |
| 23:54:32 | DerPapst | they all can except 1G to 3G iPods |
| 23:54:36 | Llorean | Gotcha |
| 23:54:41 | * | Llorean uses a powered USB hub. |
| 23:55:00 | Llorean | I've got too many things to charge, and four-port hub was cheaper than a single-port iPod charger. |
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| 23:55:23 | webguest44 | rasher: I think it isn't controllable from the ipod because it plugs into the port at the bottom. it allowsd you to listen to the radio |
| 23:55:33 | Soul-Slayer | webguest44: It won't work |
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| 23:55:43 | DerPapst | don't know but i tried to help someone who had updated his iPod and it refused to flash the flash connected to an usb wallcharger |
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| 23:56:07 | webguest44 | ok....ok... i guess thats what the OF is for, then. |
| 23:56:14 | Soul-Slayer | webguest44: Well, take a look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories |
| 23:56:24 | Soul-Slayer | A list of all the accessories and whether or not they work |
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