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#rockbox log for 2007-08-03

00:00:07advcomp2019because rhapsody has two modes too, Rhapsody and PlayForSure modes
00:00:07linuxstbsansapatcher should list the partitions...
00:00:51salty-horseyes, i'm looking for it in the console :)
00:01:13salty-horse[INFO] Scanning disk devices...
00:01:13salty-horse[INFO] E200 found - /dev/sda
00:01:13salty-horse[INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/sda
00:01:13DBUGEnqueued KICK salty-horse
00:01:13salty-horse[INFO] Sector size is 512 bytes
00:01:13salty-horse[INFO] Part Start Sector End Sector Size (MB) Type
00:01:14***Alert Mode level 1
00:01:14salty-horse[INFO] 0 600 15667199 7649.7 W95 FAT32 (0x0b)
00:01:16salty-horse[INFO] 1 15667200 15708159 20.0 OS/2 hidden C: drive (0x84)
00:01:26Bagderthat's a vanilla
00:01:36advcomp2019i have to leave now
00:01:41salty-horsei have PlayForSure according to the box
00:02:14linuxstbBagder: What does the R look like? No second partition?
00:02:16advcomp2019plain ones has MSC and MTP modes
00:02:36Bagderlinuxstb: right, although I've not seen any actual dump iirc
00:03:13daniel1234I am just updating fs6159. What does each hunk begin with in the patch file?
00:03:14salty-horsewhat does that mean rockbox wise? could it be using a regular firmware, and I have patched it incorrectly?
00:03:21 Quit jgarvey ("Leaving")
00:03:52Bagdersalty-horse: I think most of what you show looks like a regular, although I can't explain why your patching failed
00:04:12salty-horseI'll try again maybe
00:05:35salty-horsei didn't run it with sudo - gave no errors.
00:06:13Bagderyou probably need to use sudo
00:06:50Battousaiguess you don't have to return it after all
00:07:07salty-horsewhat do i do with the rhapsody coupon? :)
00:07:13Battousaimail it back to sandisk
00:07:17Bagdersell it on ebay ;-)
00:07:18Battousaiwith a note: Thanks but no thanks
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00:08:27salty-horsebuilding database
00:08:28SliMMhere is where i've started a thread on rockbox & java:
00:09:03salty-horseshould I file a bug on sansapatcher saying everything is ok when running without sudo?
00:09:18 Quit DerPapst ("In soviet russia the CD burns YOU!")
00:10:10SliMMand also, rockbox will get featured on the next podcast, that will be avaiable on monday, here:
00:10:50salty-horseare these skins for the regular rockbox menu? or just for the wps?
00:11:15***Alert Mode OFF
00:11:16SliMMjust for wps, for menus you have backdrops and icons
00:11:18Soul-SlayerWhy doesn't ipodpatcher and sansapatcher just demand superuser privileges instead of continue running?
00:12:23BagderI guess that is a quick way to prevent this sort of mistakes
00:12:26SliMMsalty-horse: and fonts, but the WPSs are based on font's height, so a wrong font could mess up the wps
00:12:35Bagderalthough I guess systems can be setup to allow this without being root
00:13:01Soul-SlayerI think relying on that is a bit of a long shot
00:13:17Bagderyes, it's probably not worth it
00:14:10salty-horsea "make zip" i did from svn built no fonts for some reason. installing them now to test hebrew
00:14:26Soul-Slayermake fullzup
00:14:33SliMMmake fullzip
00:14:36SliMMor make fonts
00:14:41SliMMi think
00:14:43salty-horsehow full is it?
00:14:44Soul-SlayerI meant that... :(
00:14:48Soul-SlayerBuild + fonts
00:14:54Bagder"make help" ...
00:15:16SliMMby 'fullzip' it means that it adds all the features
00:15:29salty-horsei don't want to install stuff i don't need :)
00:15:45SliMMand "make help" explains you all the make commands
00:15:59SliMMdefined by rockbox devs
00:16:00Soul-SlayerAnd make pizza is not yet implemented, to my dismay.
00:16:25bluebrotherwell, I'd rather like "make coffee" :)
00:16:31SliMMbagder: does the jpeg viewer use a malloc function?
00:16:42BagderI don't know
00:16:57SliMMbluebrother: i guess that's not related to java somehow
00:17:00bluebrotherit uses the audio buffer if the file is too big
00:17:15Bagderit does
00:17:26Bagderbut I don't know if it is implemented with a malloc()-like thing
00:17:32SliMMyeah, but does it allocate the memory dynamically?
00:17:46SliMMok :)
00:18:43SliMMi've found a java porting guide
00:19:08SliMMbut i need to study it hardly :))
00:19:29daniel1234hey on simulator how do I shut down the h300 what key on the num pad
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00:21:42linuxstbdaniel1234: I don't think you can
00:22:20Darien_hey there
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00:23:15Darien_does anyone know if there's anything being done with the toshiba gigabeat S other than what's written in the forum?
00:23:31Soul-SlayerThere is a wiki page on it
00:23:46Soul-Slayer It's... Concise.
00:24:03Darien_oh thanks
00:24:06Darien_i didn't know
00:24:12Bagderthey do work on a branch in svn
00:24:30 Quit XavierGr ("One firmware to rule them all!")
00:24:44Soul-Slayer"The LCD driver works, but I think it needs more refinement. We don't understand why it works" That line deserves a round of applause :p
00:25:35amiconnSliMM: The jpeg viewer allocates memory semi-dynamically via a custom memory management
00:26:29Darien_oh and there's 1% progress on the button driver
00:27:04salty-horseI have an album split to two cd's. how can i play them both at once? create a new playlist and push them there?
00:27:12 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)")
00:27:38salty-horseand why can't i create a playlist from the album context menu? :)
00:27:46Darien_can't you create a folder and add all the files in there?
00:28:03salty-horseDarien_, I like it split
00:28:41bluebrothercreate a playlist from the first folder. Then insert the next folder to that playlist.
00:28:47Darien_alright, later guys
00:28:56Darien_Soul-Slayer: thanks
00:29:03Soul-SlayerNo problem.
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00:30:13salty-horsearen't the fonts unicode? I switched to a hebrew font and now I can't see accented latin chars
00:30:29salty-horsebluebrother, how do I create a playlist from a folder by standing on it?
00:30:37bluebrothermaybe the font is incomplete? Tried unifont?
00:30:40 Quit daniel1234 ("I was using BOFHNet IRC version 1.2 by fmillion - get your copy today from !")
00:30:51bluebrothersalty-horse: use the context menu of the folder
00:31:04markundandin1: they are making good progress
00:31:07salty-horseif i'm already playing something, it only gives me the option to add to it, not to replace it
00:31:25markunhm, that was for the wrong guy
00:31:32bluebrotherI thought you want a playlist containing both?
00:32:16salty-horseyes, but i'm currently playing something else :) −− i'll fiddle with it tomorrow
00:32:35salty-horsethanks markun
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00:33:18salty-horseeek. viewing an image and i can't quit the viewer
00:34:44bluebrotherwhat player?
00:35:32salty-horseall keys seem to resize it, or not work at all
00:35:35markunsalty-horse: try the manual for the buttons
00:35:42bluebrotherdon't know the keys off my head, but have you tried the manual?
00:35:43salty-horseah, i pressed the record button
00:35:47salty-horsethat's really odd
00:35:49CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00:35:49*bluebrother is impressed by upx
00:36:11bluebrothergets rbutilqt static down to 2.5MiB. Even smaller than zip...
00:36:27salty-horsefound it
00:38:22salty-horsechanging a language stops the currently playing song
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01:02:56maddlerevening all!
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01:28:59ChrononDoes anyone here have info regarding the download server?
01:29:17ChrononI.e. how does one get files uploaded to it?
01:29:43markunChronon: ask Bagder about it
01:29:49markunwhat do you want to upload?
01:30:34ChrononI discussed with Davide-NYC about changes to the procedure for testing −− i.e. the CodecPerformanceComparison wiki page.
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01:31:15ChrononHe mentioned that there was an agreement that we should take a test file and encode it into all available codecs and host an archive of these files on the download server for people to use for testing
01:31:39Chronontesting ==> test_codec plugin
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01:33:07pixelmait was shortly mentioned in yesterday night's log, (at almost 3 o'clock) - see linuxstb's reply
01:33:35Chrononpixelma: I'll look for that.
01:33:37pixelmaDavideNYC asked the same here
01:34:09pixelmaah no, I misread. He asked about attaching it to the wiki page
01:37:00ChrononOK. It looks like Soap is working on this?
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01:38:16pixelmaI don't know much more (just remembered reading something about it).
01:38:29Chrononok, thanks.
01:38:49pixelmayou're welcome :)
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01:41:30pixelmabut the plan to host an "official" test file for codec performance test has been around for a while
01:45:55Chrononok. I would be willing to encode the files if a suitable sample file is chosen. But perhaps it's easier for someone with upload access to the server to do it.
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01:50:12barrywardellis this in anyway realistic: ?
01:50:20authumalkrockbox is the shit
01:51:33maddlerauthumalk: ?!
01:51:45maddlerwhat's your problem, dude?
01:51:54krazykit"the shit" means awesome, maddler
01:52:01authumalkyes sir
01:52:07Chrononbarrywardell: I would say not in the near future.
01:52:16maddlerkrazykit: doh! :)
01:52:52krazykitmaddler, that little article changes the meaning entirely! don't you just love slang?
01:53:03maddlerjust remember to avoid saying that to an italian :DDDDD
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01:55:52authumalkhow many of you have made your own themes
01:56:30maddlerauthumalk: I was about to start... :)
01:59:50authumalkyeah i'm on the fence about it
02:00:09authumalkright now i'm just modifing existing themes
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02:02:33 Quit Chronon ("Going home.")
02:02:40maddlerauthumalk: yup... I bet it's a good start... to understand how themes work...
02:02:49authumalkby the way rockbox makes my ipod a lot more usable
02:03:22maddlerI bet... :)
02:03:46krazykitrockbox has made it so i can't buy a non-rockbox player :-/
02:04:23maddlerkrazykit: hhahaha... same here... I bought my e260 because of it... :)
02:04:55maddlerand sounds like I'll never buy any non-RB player in the future
02:05:07authumalkthis may be the wrong place to ask this but does anyone know how to change the default font size
02:05:15authumalkwhat config file do i need to edit
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02:05:52krazykitauthumalk, you just choose a bigger font in options
02:06:10pixelmaprovided you installed the font package
02:07:48authumalkthank you kind rockboxers
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02:10:21authumalkkrazy: options on the target device?
02:10:44krazykitauthumalk, mmmhmm.
02:14:31authumalkwell that was easy
02:14:56authumalkanyonw like to share their favorite podcasts
02:15:48authumalkor not
02:16:49krazykitcan't say i like podcasts that much
02:16:57krazykiti only ever listened to savage love, though
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02:21:42advcomp[Away]did that one person find out if he has a r series or a non-r series
02:22:09Soul-SlayerWas non-R
02:22:31advcomp[Away]o ok i am at a friends house
02:22:36Soul-SlayerWasn't working because he wasn't sudo
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02:25:35advcomp[Away]i thought i would check up from my friends house
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02:44:29authumalkdoes anyone know where the crossfade option is in rockbox for a 5g ipod
02:45:30Soul-SlayerSettings -> General -> Playback -> Crossfade..
02:48:17authumalki could of swore it wasn't in their
02:49:42authumalkdoes crossfade use a lot more processing power
02:49:53*maddler goes
02:50:01Soul-SlayerNot 'a lot', but it'll use some
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03:18:30inmotionquick question, how is uploading files onto rockbox done? (ipod 5.5) is it just drag & drop (copy/paste) ?
03:19:40Soul-SlayerMost people make a directory called 'Music'
03:19:44inmotionand a follow up: is there anyway to keep it auto-updated with a music folder on hard drive?
03:20:12Soul-SlayerUse a sync program like Mediamonkey or Winamp or similar
03:21:01hailtothethiefmy 2g mini isn't detected by the bootloader. Does anyone have any suggestions?
03:21:13Soul-Slayerhailtothethief: OS?
03:21:21hailtothethiefwindows and ubuntu
03:21:26hailtothethiefneither picked it up..
03:21:38Soul-SlayerIs it in Disk Mode?
03:21:53hailtothethiefthe mini? how would I check?
03:22:12Soul-SlayerHold down Menu and Select to reboot, then when you see the apple logo, hold down Select and Play
03:22:17Soul-SlayerWith it disconnected from the computer
03:22:50Soul-SlayerThen when it's changed to a 'Connect' screen, plug it in
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03:24:13hailtothethiefstill not detected
03:24:23Soul-SlayerDoes the computer see it as an external drive now?
03:24:59Soul-Slayerlinuxstb: You made ipodpatcher, why does it occasionally not detect? :P
03:25:15linuxstbUser error? ;)
03:25:18Soul-Slayerhailtothethief: Do you have other USB devices connected?
03:25:40linuxstbhailtothethief: Are you logged in as Administrator (or root on Linux)?
03:26:01hailtothethiefneither, I'm using sudo from command prompt
03:26:40linuxstbObvious question, but it's definitely a 2nd gen mini, not 2nd gen Nano?
03:26:50linuxstb(people have tried that before...)
03:26:55hailtothethiefright, definitely a mini
03:27:43linuxstbAnd it works fine - i.e. the Apple firmware runs OK?
03:27:52Soul-SlayerThe screen on your mini currently says 'Do not disconnect'?
03:28:24linuxstbCan you paste the output of "fdisk -l" to ?
03:28:31linuxstb(also run via sudo)
03:28:45Soul-SlayerDoes mounting make a difference?
03:28:45hailtothethiefk. hold
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03:30:03linuxstbSoul-Slayer: I don't think so. It doesn't need to be mounted, but I don't think it would cause a problem if it was.
03:33:49hailtothethiefk. back.
03:34:20hailtothethiefsorry about the wait, I'm ferrying files back and forth with a jump drive :p
03:35:14Soul-SlayerWhy is it only 2gb :S
03:35:30linuxstbhailtothethief: That looks like a perfectly normal ipod partition layout... Does "ipodpatcher /dev/sdb" display anything helpful?
03:36:00hailtothethiefbecause thats the size engraved on the back of the ipod
03:36:13Soul-SlayerI thought they only came in 4gb and 6gb
03:36:17Soul-SlayerMaybe I'm mistaken.
03:36:23Soul-SlayerI thought Nanos were 2gb
03:36:51hailtothethiefhm. sonuvabitch.
03:37:22Soul-SlayerI could be wrong, I don't know a lot about iPods.
03:37:22linuxstbSoul-Slayer: You may be onto something...
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03:37:34Soul-SlayerIt -would- explain it
03:37:49linuxstbAccording to wikipedia, the minis only came in 4gb and 6gb... -
03:38:06hailtothethiefo jesus. I'm soooo sorry for wasting your time.
03:38:11hailtothethiefthank you very much.
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03:38:42Soul-SlayerThat solves that then.
03:38:48inmotionso wait, he really had a nano?
03:38:53Soul-SlayerSeems like it.
03:39:11linuxstbI should add 2nd Gen Nano detection to ipodpatcher...
03:39:27Soul-SlayerWith a large error message :p
03:39:50Soul-SlayerIf you do though careful what you write for the SVN commit comment
03:39:59linuxstbStill, he's not the first person to do that...
03:40:02inmotionbtw soul-slayer, thanks for pointing me to mediamonkey, looks great
03:40:04Soul-SlayerIf you put 'Added detection for 2nd gen nano in ipodpatcher' you're in trouble.
03:40:14Soul-SlayerNo problems :)
03:40:20linuxstb"Added avoidance of 2nd gen Nano"
03:40:28Soul-SlayerShould do it :p
03:40:35linuxstbOr "rejection"
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03:43:25*Soul-Slayer is finally pushing himself to learn C
03:44:02Soul-SlayerUnfortunately the only language I know is VB6 and, well, that's pretty much ruined me ;$
03:44:25Soul-SlayerI'm too used to an event driven language with poor syntax now :p
03:50:17Soul-SlayerCan anyone suggest a really simple plugin idea? *Goes and studies the plugin header*
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03:53:21inmotionwow default font is so tiny!
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03:55:16Soul-SlayerDepends on the target :p
03:55:41inmotionipod video 80gb, can barely read it :)
03:56:07Soul-SlayerSame on the Gigabeat, agreed :p
03:56:30inmotionbut i can see how if i would've installed on nano or one of those older ones it would be normal size
03:56:58Soul-SlayerYeah, I have a H10 and a Gigabeat... Smallest (Apart from Archos players) screen to largest screen :P
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04:06:28advcomp2019i am back home now
04:12:10inmotionwould initial scanning to create database cause my ipod to appear frozen?
04:12:27Soul-SlayerShouldn't do... Should still be able to navigate
04:12:38Soul-SlayerBut the little hdd icon will be on for a while
04:12:47inmotionit was counting up, i thought i could still navigate so i hit menu and then play/pause
04:12:47Soul-SlayerI take it from what you've said, your ipod has frozen?
04:13:01inmotioni walked a way for a bit, came back and now it's at the main menu
04:13:12inmotionbut doesn't respond to scroll wheel, except backlight comes on
04:13:15Soul-SlayerHold down the play button to turn it off
04:13:24Soul-SlayerIf it doesn't turn off, tell me
04:13:31inmotionit shut off
04:13:36Soul-SlayerTap select
04:13:46Soul-SlayerShould come up 'Commiting Database 1/8'
04:13:52Soul-SlayerIf it worked
04:14:06Soul-SlayerTry now then ^^
04:14:30inmotionstill waiting 3/8, i wasn't sure if it was still scanning before or not though
04:14:48inmotionguess thats that bug people were talking about on forums maybe? where the 5.5 would freeze up
04:14:48Soul-SlayerWell, you'll soon find out.
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04:15:53Soul-SlayerI'm not sure, I just sit on IRC all day helping people with their lil problems :p
04:16:20Soul-SlayerAnd I glance over the tracker to try and find all the pointless tasks :P
04:16:31Soul-SlayerOr make patches for the ones which don't require much expertise
04:17:04Soul-SlayerForums I don't get a chance to say anything useful because there's always someone slightly faster than me :P
04:17:31inmotionwell idling in irc is pretty helpful, best customer service ever :D
04:17:59inmotionwent into database and looks like everything is there, guess it worked!
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04:25:59SirKnightI have a question about compiling rockbox for a sansa e200 from source code in cygwin. Do i just state this in the open?
04:26:33Soul-SlayerNot sure how many people are around at the moment who use cygwin but ask your question and if anyone can answer it they will
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04:28:15Soul-SlayerOr don't.
04:29:49authumalkjust kidding
04:30:54Soul-Slayerlinuxstb: To make a plugin do I include plugin.h or plugin.c? =$
04:31:06Soul-SlayerFairly sure it's .h but =$
04:32:19linuxstbYes, .h
04:32:38linuxstbYou have about 50 other plugins to look at for inspiration... helloworld.c is a good start.
04:33:07Soul-SlayerThat would be sensible... Thanks :p
04:35:37Soul-SlayerSo it always starts with the " enum plugin_status plugin_start(struct plugin_api* api, void* parameter) " function?
04:36:47Soul-SlayerI'm guessing I used the term 'function' incorrectly, it wouldn't be the first time :p
04:37:44Soul-SlayerEe wow ok this will be fun.
04:39:29Soul-Slayerlinuxstb: Can I suggest you modify this line actually: fprintf(stderr,"[ERR]  Read of directory failed.\n"); It'll only cause people to flood in here saying 'It keeps failing, is my ipod broken???' or similar... Maybe just '[ERR] Ipod Nano 2nd Gen unsupported.\n'
04:40:50Soul-SlayerUnless that's the generic error message, but it doesn't look like it is
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04:46:42SirKnightI have a question about compiling ssource code for my sansa e200 with cygwin. Do I ask this in the open, or direct it to someone?
04:46:51krazykitjust ask it
04:47:59SirKnightOk, I am reading the walkthrough on, and its says to type in the cmd window "../tools/configure". this returns the error "hash: command not found"
04:48:14SirKnightwhat am i doing wrong?
04:48:19Soul-SlayerWhat folder are you in?
04:49:25Soul-SlayerRight, and in rockbox-20070842 you have a folder called tools?
04:49:26SirKnightthats 20070801, sorry.
04:49:43SirKnightNo, i was not aware that needed to exist
04:49:56SirKnightwas that supposed to be created by the istallaion? Cause it wanted.
04:50:07Soul-SlayerNo, it's part of the source files.
04:50:19Soul-SlayerGo into the source files folder
04:50:29Soul-SlayerMake your directory called 'build'
04:50:39Soul-Slayercd into it, then type ../tools/configure
04:51:16SirKnightAh, inside the 20070801 folder, there was another 20070801, and the source files were in in THAT one. I didnt go far enough deep.
04:51:26Soul-SlayerThere's your problem then :p
04:51:39SirKnightSorry, dumb question! I may be back later......
04:51:43SirKnightthank you very much
04:51:46Soul-SlayerGood luck.
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04:53:22inmotionif i wanted to remove the files itunes put on my ipod, would i have to do it via itunes? or can that be accomplished thorugh rockbox
04:54:18Soul-SlayerI believe it's in a folder there, I can't remember the name though
04:54:43inmotionthat won't mess it up?
04:55:06inmotionwhat happens to the database rockbox created from those files, will it just go away?
04:55:12Soul-SlayerProbably best to remove through itunes if possible.
04:55:26Soul-SlayerNo, it'll stay until you press 'Update now' in the database settings
04:55:33Soul-SlayerUnless you have auto update on
04:56:09Soul-SlayerBut it will error if you try and play them
04:56:18inmotionok got it
04:56:21inmotionthanks again
04:56:28Soul-SlayerThat's it, it's in the iPod_Control/Music folder
04:56:43Soul-SlayerAll your music will be scattered around in random directories
04:56:50Soul-SlayerAnd I don't have a clue why they did that but they did
04:57:30inmotioni believe apple was trying to make it as hard as possible for you to take your ipod over to your buddies then dump all your music onto his computer
04:57:46Soul-SlayerGood point.
04:57:47inmotionkind of a crude anti-sharing method
04:58:01Soul-SlayerBut still not impossible, as it keeps all the metatags
04:58:43Soul-SlayerA program that can scan the files, read the tags, then save them into folders by their artist and title can't be too tricky... BUt you're right, it certainly wouldn't be as simple as just copy/paste.
04:59:04krazykitSoul-Slayer, it's not. there are tons of programs that do that.
04:59:18krazykitthe godfather, tag&rename, foobar2k, media monkey, etc all come to mind
04:59:21inmotioni tried a couple programs like that but didn't find one that i liked and worked decently
04:59:42krazykitassuming you're a windows person.
04:59:56Soul-SlayerPrecisely, but it definitely adds a layer of difficulty to your life :p
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05:04:43SirKnightIm back
05:04:46SirKnightnew questions
05:05:05krazykitok, shoot
05:05:49SirKnightok, im adding a patch onto the source files, and it seems to go well. But then it asks me "File to Patch"
05:05:55SirKnightwhat do i put?
05:06:07krazykitsounds like you're using the wrong stripping argument
05:06:11krazykittry patch -p0
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05:06:24SirKnighti did. do i try -p1?
05:06:41SirKnightwill do
05:06:58krazykitif that doesn't work, you may have to just patch it by hand
05:07:21SirKnightdont i try all the way up to -p5?
05:07:21Soul-SlayerBefore you can assume that though, what folder are you in?
05:07:33Soul-SlayerJust the last few folders
05:07:39Soul-SlayerShould be the root of your source folder
05:08:08Soul-Slayerso ~/rockboxDATE/rockboxDATE/ in your case.
05:08:13Soul-SlayerNot in the /build folder
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05:09:26SirKnightright, i did that at first, but figured it ou before coming back here. Now it says "cant find file to patch. perhaps you used the wrong strip"
05:09:40SirKnightis this where i try p2, p3, p4, p5?
05:09:55Soul-SlayerCan you give me the FS number of this patch?
05:10:26SirKnightIt is cpchan_rockbox_patch...his collected patches together
05:10:34Soul-SlayerWell, could you link me?
05:11:29SirKnightthe thread where the download is at: and the actual download:
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05:12:26SirKnightits his compiled branch of rockbox, but i was trying to compile his patch myself, so i could have his build with other patches as well
05:12:36Soul-SlayerNeed an account to download... Could you open the patch in a text editor and paste me the third line down?
05:12:53krazykitSirKnight, why not just use the patches straight from the tracker?
05:13:13linuxstbSirKnight: What's the exact error message patch is giving you? Does that list a filename?
05:13:32SirKnightthe third line in the text is:
05:13:32SirKnight+++ rockbox-modified/apps/SOURCES2007-08-01 01:11:44.000000000 -0400
05:13:43SirKnightwhat does that do?
05:13:45Soul-SlayerShould be -p1 then
05:13:57SirKnighti s ee
05:13:59SirKnighti see
05:15:06SirKnightthe filename it seemed to stick at was rockbox-modified/manual/preamble.tex
05:15:27SirKnightAFAIK, the manuals arent neccessary?
05:15:29Soul-SlayerSo you are in the folder where you have the apps, firmware, bootloader, manual etc folders are?
05:15:44Soul-SlayerAnd your .diff/.patch file is in that folder?
05:15:56Soul-Slayerand you're typing in something like
05:16:03Soul-Slayerpatch -p1 < blah.diff
05:16:43SirKnightpatch −−binary -p1 < cpchan_rockbox.patch
05:17:13Soul-Slayerput -p1 before −−binary
05:17:19Soul-SlayerAnd what does −−binary do :S
05:17:38Soul-Slayer*Has never needed it*
05:18:05SirKnightThat is the string that was instructed to use in the "How to compile: at
05:18:18krazykitSoul-Slayer, i think it's a cygwin thing?
05:18:37Soul-SlayerAh fair enough... Can you try -p1 before −−binary and see if you have any luck?
05:18:40SirKnightvery possible
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05:19:17*Soul-Slayer doesn't like the idea of combining patches into one as if one goes out of sync the whole thing will mess up
05:19:52inmotionif i just installed rockbox on ipod 5.5, is it still possible to boot normally to ipod software?
05:19:55*krazykit doesn't like the idea of using some massive patchset from some schmoe on a non-rockbox forum
05:20:02krazykitinmotion, this is covered in the manual.
05:20:03Soul-SlayerFlip hold on while it turns on
05:20:42inmotioni have the manual open but didn't see what i was looking for right away
05:20:52Soul-Slayer(4:17:32 AM) Soul-Slayer: Flip hold on while it turns on
05:21:23SirKnightOk, "Reversed <or previously applied> patch detected! Assume -R? [n]"
05:21:36Soul-SlayerMeaning it did apply :S
05:21:48SirKnightso i type n and it enter?
05:22:12SirKnight"apply anyway?" im assuming i put n there too
05:22:31Soul-SlayerBut this means it's already applied (Or atleast some of it has
05:22:49SirKnightnow its having me do it for every single file. irritating.
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05:23:09Soul-SlayerWell, this implies it already worked.
05:23:41krazykitor that the patch is completely broken.
05:23:49Soul-SlayerOr one part is :p
05:24:47SirKnightwell, there are several strings of files that arent already installed, and are installing now without the "already detected" message, so your idea to reverse binary and p1 worked
05:25:21Soul-SlayerI really recommend you apply patches individually if possible though :P
05:25:37SirKnightduly noted, now i understand why
05:25:39krazykitand only the patches you actually need
05:25:50krazykiti'd bet you have no need for many of them
05:26:47SirKnightthere were about 15....10 of them i really wanted and i (wrongly)assumed it would be simpler this way...
05:27:30Soul-SlayerPersonally I don't think that's your fault, more the person who compiled them together
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05:28:49Soul-SlayerAnd really, we don't support applying patches from anywhere but off the tracker, so try not to make a habit of it :P
05:28:55SirKnightnow its been saying all along "hunks ignored"(the ones that were already installed) but now it said "5 out of 6 hunks failed"
05:29:05SirKnightok, sorry bout that
05:29:17Soul-SlayerTheres the problem I mentioned
05:29:22Soul-SlayerSome of the patches are out of sync
05:29:49SirKnighthow annoying!.
05:30:14SirKnightOk, i guess we'll forget about it. But I have one more small question which may or may not be possible.
05:30:25Soul-SlayerFire away.
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05:31:09SirKnightI have a sansa e200, so this question may not apply universally....but there is a splash screen that shows the rockbox logo at boot. Is it possible to edit or replace that?
05:32:40Soul-SlayerI *think*... You go into apps/bitmaps/native
05:32:56Soul-SlayerAnd replace the 'rockboxlogo.DIMENSIONSOFSANSALCD.bmp' with your own
05:33:20Soul-SlayerBut I could be wrong...
05:34:54SirKnightok, it wasnt named that, but i found it. Now, do i have to compile everything after i edit that one file, or can i insert that one file into my current build? Can i just compile the one file that becomes a part of, not the whole thing? im probably way off the beaten path...
05:35:15Soul-SlayerSo in your case, rockboxlogo.176x54x16.bmp I think
05:35:33krazykitedit it first
05:35:35Soul-SlayerReplace that file with your custom one, then you need to rebuild.
05:36:09SirKnighthmm. ok. there is NO way just to find out what file that becomes compiled into, and compile that ONE file?
05:36:32Soul-SlayerWell, all you need to do is replace it and run 'make' in your build folder again
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05:36:49Soul-SlayerAnd it'll only remake what has changed.
05:37:10LloreanIt becomes compiled into rockbox.mi4
05:37:34LloreanSo you kinda need to rebuild that, and you should always rebuild plugins so their version matches your main binary version, at which point you've rebuild everything anyway
05:37:58SirKnightwell, for the sansa its simply a folder with data, titled ".rockbox" that sits in the root of the player
05:38:05LloreanYes, I know
05:38:09LloreanAnd I know what's *in* that folder.
05:38:15Soul-SlayerAll builds are like that, but the .bmp file isn't there
05:38:24Soul-SlayerIt's compiled into your rockbox.mi4 binary file.
05:38:57SirKnighti have rockbox currently, and ive never seen a m14...
05:39:08Soul-SlayerIn your .rockbox folder
05:39:23Soul-Slayerthere is a rockbox.mi4 file, which is rockbox itself.
05:39:32SirKnightach, stupid me, i see it. thanks
05:40:07SirKnightthen whats all the other files?
05:40:24Soul-SlayerPlugins, database, config files
05:40:46SirKnightbut the files im wanting to edit would be hidden in the mi4
05:41:02SirKnightok. finally understood. I appreciate it
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05:41:09Soul-SlayerNo problem.
05:42:59SirKnightwhat is a "bootloader"? Is it simply an application that boots the device?
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05:43:37SirKnightThen whats all the forum talk about editing it?
05:43:56krazykitit's somewhat more than that, really
05:44:12Soul-SlayerThe bootloader is the first thing you see, and sets up the environment as it were
05:45:02krazykitit not only tells the device which firmware to use (rockbox or original), it also has usb mode and a method of forcing the settings to default
05:45:08SirKnightthe rockbox logo splash screen is run by the bootloader.
05:45:26SirKnightOh, thats afterwards.
05:45:26LloreanIt's run by the main Rockbox binary
05:45:44Lloreankrazykit: It has no method of forcing the settings to default
05:46:02krazykiter, shoot, that's in the main binary innit.
05:46:04midgeylinuxstb: i didnt have any problems with qt on mac
05:46:09SirKnightSo what would someone accomplish by editing the bootloader?
05:46:23LloreanSirKnight: I don't know, it depends on what they want to do.
05:46:26Soul-SlayerDepends what you did to it.
05:46:41LloreanIt's just a program like any other, in theory you could remove the bootloader entirely and put Rockbox where the bootloader is kept.
05:46:53linuxstbmidgey: Oh well... I guess I'll try again at some point.
05:46:59SirKnightWell, yes, but whats possible? I dont see what you get get it do do besides....boot.
05:47:08Soul-SlayerWhy would you want it to do more?
05:47:10SirKnightcould get it to do*
05:47:13LloreanSirKnight: As I said, *anything* is possible.
05:47:37krazykitSirKnight, well, you could set which firmware gets used by default. you could make it so you have to win a game of chess before it'll go into a firmware, etc etc.
05:47:45Soul-SlayerIt's exactly what it says, a bootloader, it boots the main binary... You could make it so your sansa did nothing but boot into a game of Pong if you wished.
05:47:47SirKnightI wouldnt, there just seems to be a lot of forum talk about it. at least i came accross some, and i didnt understand it.
05:47:48midgeylinuxstb: well, right now rbutilqt crashes in setDevices()
05:48:14*midgey summons bluebrother
05:48:18SirKnightOh, I see now.
05:48:42linuxstbmidgey: Glad to see someone working on rbutil on the Mac though - it's in need of attention.
05:48:48Soul-SlayerThe Sansa and Ipods are unique in the fact they their bootloader needs to be put on a hidden partition
05:48:58SirKnightthat makes more sense...not playing pong of course, but see what might be possible.
05:49:26midgeylinuxstb: i never got wxMac working right, but rbutilqt seemed to be working decent before todays changes
05:49:40linuxstbmidgey: The opposite to me...
05:49:54midgeyhaha exactly
05:50:03SirKnightHaha, I like to think Im great at computers and everything about them, until
05:50:14SirKnighti get into stuff like this.
05:51:11Soul-SlayerAnyone fluent in C, have I got this right? ifdef means 'If <something> is defined', ifndef means 'If <something> is not defined', undef means 'Undefine <something>'?
05:52:02linuxstbSounds right to me.
05:52:27Soul-SlayerWhat are the benefits of #define ABC over like... bool ABC = True ?
05:52:45linuxstbIt's done once at compile-time
05:53:05Soul-SlayerAhh, so it's more of a constant held in binary
05:53:22Soul-SlayerRather than executed every time you run something
05:53:27***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
05:53:28linuxstbSo if the #if is false, then the code inside isn't included in the application (the compiler never even sees it).
05:53:43Soul-SlayerAha, got it
05:54:06Soul-SlayerMakes perfect sense, just couldn't see it... Thanks
05:54:26Soul-SlayerAnyhow, it's late, this can wait til tomorrow... Later even... Night all
05:54:30SirKnightSo what are the major projects going on at Rockbox? New devices being ported to, etc
05:54:41SirKnightGoodnight, thank for the help!
05:55:06Soul-SlayerGigabeat S, M:robe, ipod 1/2G are currently being worked on
05:55:10Soul-SlayerNo problem
05:55:15SirKnightAnd Thank you, KrazyKit and Llorean
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05:57:17SirKnightWhen Im looking at the rockbox traker for patches, how do i know which will work for which devices?
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05:58:27LloreanOften it's more or less a case of "hope" both in relation to your device (if it's not mentioned in the comments) and in hoping that it's not needing re-syncing
06:03:11SirKnightJust a shot in the dark here....Is it possible to DEcompile an existing mi4?
06:04:25LloreanYes, but you wouldn't get C source, and there's absolutely no reason to.
06:04:32LloreanRockbox is open source, and we provide the source code for all revisions.
06:04:50LloreanAnyone who provided you with a rockbox mi4 is required, by the GPL, to provide you with a copy of the source if you ask
06:06:09SirKnightI know about that, but its been irritating compiling from source so far, i was curious as to whether i could decompile a mi4 that is working for me, so i know im using good files, in sync.
06:06:34LloreanWhat do you mean by decompile, exactly?
06:06:38SirKnightand then add to it, then recompile.
06:06:41LloreanIf you compile the MI4, then you have the good source for it right there...
06:06:47LloreanWhen you compile it doesn't destroy the source.
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06:07:59jjjhey all
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06:08:19SirKnightI know, Im talking about ditching my current project, and working from the mi4 i currently have on my player. I know it is good files, in sync. So i was wondering if i could decompile the mi4 that is working for me into source files, so i could add to that and recompile it.
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06:08:52jjjcan some one help me install rockbox on a 1st gen nano plz
06:09:45SirKnightThe current source files i am working with obviously arent valid, so I was wondering if it is possible to add to an existing mi4
06:10:00LloreanSirKnight: Why don't you just check which SVN revision is is, check out that revision, and re-apply the patches you used?
06:10:42BigMacAnyone use the wikipedia patch yet?
06:10:48linuxstbjjj: What's the problem? I assume you've found the install instructions in the manual?
06:12:30SirKnightBecause I downloaded CPCHANs custom build over the daily build, whixh is working great. I wanted to customize it a bit, so i got the source files of the CPCHAN custom build, but they werent valid, even though the compiled download version works fine. So I want to decompile the working mi4 of CPCHAN that i am using, rather than get the source files that I already proved to be no good.
06:12:45jjjyeh im readin it am i right u stick .rockbox folder in the root and run the boot loader patch ????
06:12:49LloreanSirKnight: Then ask him for valid files.
06:13:07LloreanSirKnight: Decompiling is a lot more complicated, and you're not going to get the same data out as you put in
06:13:40SirKnightalright, i will let him know and explain the errors...but can you tell me if it is strictly possible or not to decode/decompile a working mi4?
06:14:33LloreanAs I said, it's possible, complicated, and not going to get you the same output as what was put into it.
06:15:01LloreanYou're looking for the most difficult solution to your problem.
06:15:15SirKnightim trying to find a set of bmp files in it to replace.
06:15:19LloreanThe right solution is requiring that cpchan meet his GPL obligation and provide the exact source files necessary to compile his build.
06:15:56SirKnightOk, will do, thank you. Maybe i didnt download the correct set of cygwin?
06:16:27linuxstbjjj: Yes - just follow the steps in the manual.
06:16:27SirKnightthere were a billion options of things to skip or keep, and i tried to follow the Walkthrough, but maybe i screwed up.
06:16:44SirKnightbut yes, I will contact him.
06:17:30linuxstbSirKnight: The first thing to do is to try and compile an unmodified copy of the Rockbox source - to check you can compile OK. Then try and compile modified (patched) sources.
06:18:06SirKnightyeah, that would make sense wouldnt it, :p. thanks ill check that
06:18:26SirKnightwhat are database.tcd and glyphcache files?
06:18:35BigMacNobody has used the wikipedia patch
06:19:30linuxstbI don't recall anyone mentioning it in here. Maybe it's discussed in the forums (Rockbox or maybe elsewhere like misticriver).
06:20:30BigMacYah, I have searched the forum, read the flyspray, and started reading the 27 page long mistic river thread, but still have no idea how to grab thedump
06:20:34LloreanSirKnight: Those are files generated by Rockbox, the first having to do with the database, and the second the fonts used.
06:21:02SirKnightoh gotcha
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06:23:42SirKnightIf I copy over my custom build with a daily build, how many things will be changed?
06:23:58LloreanI don't know what you're asking
06:24:08LloreanEverything that they changed will be different, of course...
06:24:11SirKnightI want to keep the most recent rockbox, but dont want to lose modified plugins, wps, etc.
06:24:39LloreanPlugins *might* work, if they're "new" (as in, not in normal Rockbox)
06:24:44LloreanBut anything else won't work.
06:24:47LloreanEspecially WPSes
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06:25:28SirKnightoh really? so if i have a wps i like from week 1, and i update rockbox in week 2, week 1s wps wont display/
06:25:49LloreanIf you have a WPS that works with Official Rockbox, it should always work
06:26:03LloreanIf you have a WPS that requires the patches in the cpchan build, and install official Rockbox, it won't work any more
06:26:12SirKnightoh right
06:26:35SirKnightbut the wps variables (%_something) will always be valid?
06:26:49LloreanNot always
06:27:00LloreanSometimes the official ones get updated or changed slightly
06:27:35LloreanBut there will be a note in the changelog when those change, of course
06:28:40SirKnightWhat is "Karaoke for DirectX". I know directx, but ive never heard of this karaoke,,....and i have a .bin file with description "karaoke for DirectX" in my rockbox folder
06:29:05LloreanThat's not one of our files, then.
06:29:12LloreanDirectX has nothing to do with Rockbox
06:29:33LloreanPlease, don't ask questions about things unless you're using an official version, we can't be expected to know what somebody else has added or changed.
06:29:38SirKnightwell, its ".bin" file....maybe windows is making stupid file associations.
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06:30:02LloreanThe only .bin file Rockbox has, afaik, is nvram.bin
06:30:11SirKnightthats it.
06:30:34LloreanThat's specific things to remember across reboots, such as the resume position
06:30:54SirKnightit was just dumb windows making associations then.
06:34:05SirKnightDoes RB use the pictures or photos folder for graphics?
06:34:14SirKnightor does it matter?
06:34:26Roccohi, i was wondering about the sansa e200r series, does anyone here know anything about them?
06:34:36LloreanWhat do you mean "for graphics"?
06:34:44Roccoi couldnt find much on the forums about it
06:34:45LloreanRocco: Depends on what you're going to ask.
06:34:59LloreanThe forums, for example, say very explicitly clearly why there's not a port yet.
06:35:10Roccowell i saw a post saying its possible to flash it to the e200 series firmware
06:35:25Roccobut it never went into detail, was that a dead end?
06:35:26LloreanOh, where did you see this post?
06:35:38LloreanAs far as I know, there should be nothing more than saying it *might* be possible.
06:35:42LloreanOr possible "should be"
06:35:51SirKnightWell, when you point your player to open pictures...i think the OF looked for jpgs in "pictures" but rockbox looks for them in "photos"
06:35:56SirKnightor is it the other way?
06:36:06Roccoyeah, thats basically it. but it never was continued, it just kinda got pushed off the topic
06:36:08LloreanSirKnight: Rockbox doesn't have a "point your player to open pictures"
06:36:12LloreanYou just browse to a file and click on it.
06:36:29LloreanRocco: Nobody found a way to make it work, simple as that
06:37:06Roccook... so its still a myster on this device?
06:37:14LloreanThat's what the forum thread says, yes...
06:37:46Roccook, and do you know if there are any hardware differences in the r and non-r versions?
06:37:59SirKnightThis must be a custom build dependent thing again. I apologize, im not familiar with the differences between it and the main build. Thank you for your help with everyting though. youve been surprisingly polite to an irritating newbie.
06:38:23LloreanRocco: Nobody has confirmed any yet, but I don't think anyone has investigated thoroughly
06:39:13LloreanSirKnight: We are somewhat well known for having "halfway decent" support. But I do strongly recommend trying an official build before asking questions, since we do require any questions you ask be about official ones.
06:40:50Roccook, well considering the r series is meant to be used with rhapsody. is tehre any kind of drm management build into the hardware thats not on the other version
06:41:01Roccoand now that i read that over it didnt make much sense.. its been long day..
06:41:39SirKnightRocco: this is a quote from a forum post at "anythingbutipod" The encyption on the firmware is different from that of the standard model.
06:41:39SirKnightso while progress is being made it is slow as the major effort is to get a version for the standard one realeased. However IF the ecycrption is cracked porting the e200 rockbox work to the e200r series should be a doddle as they are on the whole identical.
06:42:13LloreanSirKnight: It's not that the major effort is for the standard one.
06:42:18Roccoso the rhapsody encryption is software, not hardware
06:42:23LloreanIt's that nobody who owns an R-series is doing much work on it.
06:42:35LloreanRocco: How would you encrypt hardware?
06:42:58Roccoim not that good at this
06:43:11Roccobut i believe the zune uses hardware with the processor it has
06:43:13SirKnightall of what i posted was a quote
06:43:36SirKnightI didnt mean to split it up.
06:44:14SirKnightRocco: go here, youll find everything youre asking for...
06:45:03Roccook.. thanks
06:45:20Roccowait, didnt sansa support this "mod"
06:45:31Roccoso why not just ask them for the r series
06:45:38SirKnightI read somewhere that they asked rockbox to do it.
06:46:16LloreanThey initially contacted Rockbox, but they've not provided any real help
06:46:20SirKnightAFAIK the e200r wont accept anything unsigned in the bootloader..
06:46:40SirKnightbut the e200 will
06:46:40LloreanThey didn't even give us the ability to sign our code so that we could load it, which would be the absolute most basic help they could give us beyond their donation of hardware.
06:47:19Roccohas anyone contacted them and simply asked?
06:47:33Roccowhat encryption it has or security that the e200 doesnt
06:47:44LloreanRocco: Please, read through the whole e200R thread in our fourms
06:48:32Bagderand the encryption is not like in the zune
06:48:38Bagderwhere the mcu itself has the magic
06:48:53Bagderbut this is tricky enough
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06:53:05SirKnightOoooooh, one more question before i go to bed....should i get sana updates?
06:53:39SirKnightfirmware updates for my OF?
06:54:16LloreanIf you use it, and really want to. There's no reason to if you're just using Rockbox, and it'll probably require reinstalling the bootloader
06:54:31SirKnightah i see, thats a no for me then.
06:55:42SirKnightGoodnight all, thank you for great support and a wonderful rockbox
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08:31:17ddaltonI am updating fs6159 and could someone tell me where I can look at the talk_id functions.
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08:33:15ddaltonHow to I test the shut down messages on simulator? So is there a stop button? What key is it?
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08:39:00markunddalton: I think it's not implemented for the sim
08:39:34daurnis there an open source fixed point wma decoder?
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08:41:27Lloreandaurn: The one in Rockbox...
08:42:00webguest94How can you tell if an 80GB ipod has a 32mb or 64mb buffer?
08:42:11LloreanIf it's 80gb, it's 64mb
08:42:18webguest94cool, thanks
08:42:22daurnLlorean: care to point it to me where it is in the source?
08:42:33Lloreandaurn: In the codecs folder?
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08:43:01LloreanWhere we keep all the codecs. libwma
08:43:44ddaltonSo will I need to build for my h300 and then test?
08:44:30daurnooo, thanks Llorean
08:44:39JdGordonddalton: the player sim has shutdown iirc
08:45:25daurnLlorean: how complete is it?
08:45:40Lloreandaurn: What exactly do you mean by that?
08:45:43JdGordondaurn: time to buy a rockbox-able mp3 player :p
08:46:07FalenAre there any documentation on the read_bmp_file() function?
08:46:08daurndoes the codec work without bugs?
08:46:15daurnJdGordon: howso?
08:46:17LloreanIt plays WMA files except very low bitrate ones as iiuc one of the techniques for those isn't implemented yet (and doesn't work well in the ffmpeg implementation)
08:46:21ddaltonto create a patch do I type diff -u -r olddir newdir >patchname.diff
08:46:33JdGordondaurn: you wouldnt need to ask these q's if you had one :D
08:46:42JdGordonFalen: only whats in the code
08:47:13JdGordonddalton: assuming you pulled the source from svn then use "svn diff > file.patch"
08:47:14Lloreandaurn: I don't think *anything* works completely without bugs, but it should play the majority of WMA files except very low bitrate ones fine. Or at least WMAv2 (if I understand correctly)
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08:47:52daurngood enough
08:48:14daurndoes it work on wma lossless as well?>
08:48:36LloreanI was told there's not a known open source wma lossless implementation at all.
08:48:41LloreanWhy even use WMA lossless?
08:48:49daurni don't
08:48:49LloreanIs there somewhere that sells files in that format?
08:48:52daurnjust wondering
08:49:00markundaurn: are you planning to use the codec for some other project?
08:49:12daurnmarkun: maybe
08:49:20markunwhat are you working on?
08:49:22FalenAre there any examples or anything? I'm pretty stuck
08:49:38FalenI just need to load a single image
08:49:39daurnmarkun: nothing at the moment, just wondering/pondering
08:49:42ddaltonHow can I check if misc.c which I have edited is unix?
08:49:48LloreanFalen: Really, all you've got is what's in the source. Simply look for places where it's used.
08:50:02Lloreanddalton: You mean the line endings?
08:50:32markunFalen: apps/gui/backdrop.c (for example)
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08:51:30markunFalen: 'grep' is your friend (or whatever you use to search through files)
08:52:22FalenFound it! You mean the load_remote_backdrop function?
08:53:02markunfor example
08:54:20ddaltonYes I mean the line endings about the unix thing.
08:56:17Lloreanddalton: If your diffs are changing every line in the file, rather than just the lines you changed, you've got a problem. The best method is to simply know your tools, and whether they have an option for line endings or not.
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08:58:30ddaltonWell I set it to unix and I still get 3700 lines in my patch I only changed about 10 lines and the orridginal patch had 1700 lines. Do you know of a good text editor for cygwin or windows that I could use. I just want to convert those files to unix and then hopefully I can make this patch.
08:59:12LloreanPlease stop saying "convert those files to unix"
08:59:16LloreanThat statement on its own makes no sense.
08:59:33LloreanUnix is an operating system.
08:59:35markunLlorean: but in some editors it looks like that
08:59:48LloreanIn some editors it'll refer to "Line ending style" as "Unix"
08:59:48markunLlorean: "File format: DOS, UNIX"
09:00:05ddaltonOk then so how do I change the files to unix line endings? is that better?
09:00:10LloreanBut if he ever wants to talk to someone, he needs to say "Unix format" or "Unix style line endings" as if he says "Convert the files to Unix" he'll just confuse the heck outta someone
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09:00:25Lloreanddalton: See if your cygwin has the dos2unix command
09:00:28*Llorean thinks that's it.
09:00:39ddaltonHow can I check?
09:00:46LloreanTry to run it and see what it says.
09:01:06markunddalton: which editor do you use?
09:01:51ddaltonI use text pal as my editer. a guy from a mailing list I am on wrote it.
09:02:12ddaltonhow do I run it?
09:02:13markunyou could try notepad2
09:02:34markunddalton: the same way you run anything in cygwin (which I have never used)
09:02:42nerochiarohi people, i need to ask some information about the WMA decoder in rockbox. am i in the right place ?
09:02:45Lloreanddalton: just type dos2unix at the cygwin command prompt.
09:02:50markunnerochiaro: sure
09:03:19nerochiarowell, looking at the sources, it seems to be taken from ffmpeg. is this true ?
09:03:44nerochiarois that kept in sync from time to time, or is it just an old snapshot ?
09:03:48Bagderbased on that code at least
09:04:06Lloreannerochiaro: It's new enough that there's not really "keeping in sync" to be done yet
09:04:25Bagderremember that this is fixed-point WMA
09:04:33Bagderffmpeg is not, afair
09:05:07LloreanBagder: I assume we're going to be submitting ours back to them once it's able to decode the same files theirs is / is equivalent?
09:05:08markunnerochiaro: saratoga is the guy working on it. First it was based on an old snapshot, but he has been porting back some recent changes from ffmpeg
09:05:17ddaltonSo can I convert files to unix line endings with this command. How would I convert the rockbox source?
09:05:18BagderLlorean: I'm quite sure of that too
09:05:26ddaltonto unix line endings.
09:05:35Lloreanddalton: Any files you've changed, "dos2unix filename"
09:06:09ddaltonK I will give that a go
09:06:22nerochiarois ARM a supported target ?
09:06:45FalenI'm stuck again.
09:06:46nerochiarodoes it use any of the armv4l optimizations that the ffmpeg decoder seems to use ?
09:06:51Falenint read_bmp_file(CONST_IMAGE_FILE, &image, sizeof(something), FORMAT_NATIVE)
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09:07:30Bagdernerochiaro: there's some (arm) opts in there, but I'm sure more can be made
09:07:49FalenThe max size is confusing me, not sure what it asks for
09:09:15nerochiaroBagder: well, i think i'll give this decoder a shot by porting as an xmms2 plugin and try using it on the Neuros OSD then. since it's integer based it should be better performing than the one straight from ffmpeg anyway, i suppose
09:09:41Bagderand you have a much speedier ARM than we do
09:09:50Bagder(except for the gigabeat)
09:10:06LloreanHow fast is the Neuros OSD?
09:10:16nerochiaroLlorean: 200Mhz
09:10:32LloreanAh, yeah I'd imagine it should be realtime
09:10:51markunnerochiaro: the 300MHz ARM9 based Gigabeat decodes 320kbit/s WMA at 500% real-time with our code
09:11:55nerochiarosounds great. even 3x realtime would be enough i think
09:12:11ddaltonLooks like the dos2unix command did the trick thanks.
09:12:39markunddalton: so you have a bug to report to the guy who wrote your editor..
09:12:41Bagdernerochiaro: indeed, especially in your case when you're not running on battery
09:12:58LloreanYou need 3x realtime?
09:13:00nerochiaroBagder: nope, no power drain concerns
09:13:44nerochiaroLlorean: well, the CPU isn't going to be used only for audio playback at times, so it helps for it to be somewhat faster than realtime. i said 3x just as a guess estimate
09:13:55nerochiaroLlorean: but the faster the better
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09:14:08LloreanYeah, faster is always better, I was just startled at the "needs 3x" number.
09:14:24LloreanThat suggests to me you can only spare 1/3 of the processor time under the worst conditions.
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09:15:11nerochiaroLlorean: it was just a guess. i'm actually not sure what that number would be to be perfectly honest
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09:16:05nerochiarois saratoga around here often ?
09:16:38Bagderand he's around in the forum too
09:16:47nerochiaroBagder: know in which time zone he's based ?
09:17:20BagderI think he's US based, isn't it?
09:17:27Bagderit! I mean he
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09:17:49nerochiarowell, ok. i'll keep an eye out
09:17:56Bagderthe WMA codec is his gsoc project
09:18:11nerochiarothanks for all the help folks. i'll let you all know how this goes
09:21:26markungood luck
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09:24:27nerochiaromarkun: thanks
09:24:36nerochiaroBagder: this year's SoC project ?
09:25:37*petur wonders if a rockbox mentor will go to google gsoc mentor summit...
09:26:33Bagdernerochiaro: yes
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10:24:50pondlifeamiconn: Did the extra "OF bits" you discovered help with power consumption? Or is it too early to say?
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10:25:29amiconnpondlife: Didn't measure yet. Need to cut one battery wire and solder some longer ones in to hook up my multimeter
10:26:06amiconnI am about to do that (no big risk since I have 2 2nd gen iPods now)
10:27:21amiconnIf this works out nicely, I'll do that with at least one of my PP502x devices as well
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10:28:08*amiconn also wants to make the serial i/f usable, so remote support can be added
10:29:33*amiconn has a suspicion what to look for on PP502x
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10:30:34*pondlife wants to convert a friend with an iPod Video to Rockbox - said friend tried it a while back for 3 days and went back to OF because of battery life...
10:32:42GodEater_pondlife: were they some sort of pansy ?
10:34:38amiconnIs there a small program which allows to put music on iPods so the OF recognises it?
10:34:43amiconn(for windows)
10:35:07amiconnI want to put some songs on it for the OF to play while doing current measurements
10:35:16amiconnAnd no, I won't install iTunes. Never.
10:37:01Soul-Slayer Possibly, I can't verify that, it's the result of a web search
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10:39:32pondlifeGodEater_: Not particularly, quite a hacker normally, but he reckoned he really needed 10 hours between charges when travelling.
10:39:39markunamiconn: do you have an idea where to start looking for the battery draining problem?
10:40:15amiconnThis other 2nd gen doesn't want to connect to the PC :(
10:41:04*pondlife admires petur's FR closing frenzy
10:41:09amiconnHmm, looks I need to reboot
10:42:02*petur bows
10:42:52jhMikeSpetur: /* the list below must match enum audio_sources in audio.h */ ?? you can use [AUDIO_SRC_MIC] = "R_MIC_" to make sure they do.
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10:44:24peturjhMikeS: I just put that comment there to make sure that whoever modifies something there knows of the dependency... in case somebody would swap enums aound...
10:45:07peturoh I get it
10:45:10jhMikeSpetur: there's no dependency using that syntax. it's something I actually went to pains to not have.
10:45:17peturyes, got that
10:45:38peturfeel free to fix it
10:45:56jhMikeSThere's also HAVE_MIC_IN_(...) which is a little cleaner than the #ifdef stuff.
10:45:59peturnice idea, hadn't come to my mind to do it that way
10:46:30peturI know but I don't like the look of it that much
10:47:43jhMikeSIt was mostly a defense against bugs created out of order dependency given there's such a number of places where things must stay synced up.
10:48:13peturgood idea
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10:50:57*pondlife waves the langv2 stick optimistically
10:51:29jhMikeSthe recsource menu is one place where things are very wrong though.
10:51:52jhMikeSbut it's my bad :)
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10:52:26*pondlife doesn't understand the phrase "my bad". My bad what?
10:53:16jhMikeSsomething I did that is not right
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10:53:41Bagderisn't that just "my fault" said in a bad english way?
10:53:52pondlifeAh, I get it..
10:54:00jhMikeSBagder: yes
10:54:25jhMikeScommon around this neck of the woods :)
10:54:39pondlifeBut not here :)
10:55:24*markun thought it was a pretty common expression
10:55:26*jhMikeS should never attempt to write a dictionary
10:55:41*pondlife neither
10:55:47pondlifeWell, it would be a short book
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10:56:40*jhMikeS 's would be a long book, but few actual definitions
10:59:06jhMikeSIt occurs to me multithreaded codecs of any sort are completely unswappable with voice. :(
11:02:18safetydanAnyone object to 7632 going in?
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11:03:50Soul-SlayerDoesn't exist apparently?
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11:04:31XavierGrSlasheri: Ping
11:05:00safetydanWhoops. Typo. FS #7362
11:05:15safetydanbasically adding support for yet another tag to the database
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11:09:20leftrightdoes/can the database display, "Artist - Album"
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11:10:55safetydanleftright, not quite sure what you're after. Most of the displayed data from the database is customisable with the tagnavi_custom.config
11:11:38leftrightjust wonering if the database can display the music in a "Artist - Album" format
11:12:43safetydanleftright, yes. See for details on how to customise the view.
11:13:20leftrightah, thank you kind sir, maybe I might give up file tree, maybe...
11:14:10pondlifesafetydan: Nope, that should go in, IMHO
11:14:25safetydanpondlife, cool. I'm looking at that and the disc number patch.
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11:16:21pondlifeMaybe the binsize on Archos needs keeping an eye on....
11:17:27safetydanWell that's always an issue, but there's only so much that can be done.
11:23:01ddaltonhey when compiling a fresh rockbox source are there usually warnings
11:23:11safetydanddalton, no there should be no warnings
11:24:07ddalton btrying to fix up p6159 so do I need to make sure there are no compile warnings.
11:26:49pondlifeddalton: Yes, but maybe ensure you can cleanly compile the unpatched source first?
11:27:03pondlifeThen you know any warnings are due to the patch.
11:27:10pondlifeNot your build environment.
11:27:24amiconnhmpf. Seems I made a mistake a few days ago...
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11:27:52webguest24how can i play videos with rockbox in ipod video ?
11:27:59Soul-SlayerUse the OF>
11:28:06webguest24which encoder/converter i need to use?
11:28:17Soul-SlayerIt won't be as good as the OF.
11:28:59ddaltonIs there anything wrong with this code? if (battery_level() > 10)
11:29:05webguest24hm, any pointers on the program to use to convert?
11:29:13pixelmaread PluginMpegplayer in the wiki
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11:29:36ddalton if (battery_level() > 10)
11:29:50pondlifeamiconn: Without documentation, mistakes are likely, no?
11:30:30ddaltonSorry my irc client didn't put the code in but if I have the line
11:30:31ddalton gui_syncsplash(0, "%s %s",
11:30:32amiconnYeah, and I solved the problem, recalling something I saw in the OF disassembly :)
11:30:45Soul-SlayerI need to go out... Does anyone know where 'or_b', 'and_b', 'or_l' and 'and_l' get declared? They are used in fmradio.c and rmradio_i2c.c and I can't see where they ever get included. If anyone can help and tell me so I have something interesting to read when I return :p...
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11:31:55ddaltonOk basically what I am trying to ask where should the talk_id functions go for a splash screen message?
11:31:58*amiconn now has 2 rockboxed 2nd gens :)
11:33:53*linuxstb wonders who will have the third...
11:34:34nerochiaroquick question: is there a way to get the full source snapshot for a certain day, without using SVN ? something like but for a specific date
11:34:42preglowno first gens yet?
11:35:05GodEater_nerochiaro: not to my knowledge.
11:35:24pondlifesvn is worth having.
11:35:24amiconnpreglow: No, unfortunately. One of the 2nd gens was sold as a 1st gen on ebay...
11:35:43GodEater_linuxstb: I made some modifications to my patch last night after your comments. If you have time, could you see it's more to your taste now ?
11:35:47amiconnBut I am watching a defective one now. Most probably just a hdd problem
11:35:52liberty_Today I found the current build has a "iaudiom5 maps" for my iaudio M5. What is that?
11:35:58linuxstbnerochiaro: Go to the "archived builds" page (linked at the top of the Current Builds page).
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11:36:53nerochiarolinuxstb: thanks, exactly what i needed
11:38:12linuxstbGodEater_: Looking good ;)
11:38:19liberty_I didn't find any clue in changelogs. What has changed?
11:38:58GodEater_linuxstb: I didn't appear to break anything moving it all around like that either. Which amazed me :)
11:38:59linuxstbliberty_: Debugging information - only of interest to developers so you can ignore it (unless you're developing...)
11:39:12barrywardellany objections to closing ? I can't see it being very worthwhile
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11:39:25GodEater_I still have no idea what the problem is on the sansa though.
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11:40:10linuxstbGodEater_: Is it just one Sansa user reporting issues?
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11:40:30GodEater_linuxstb: yes - but to be fair, I only appear to have had two testers
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11:40:38GodEater_and only one who says he owns a sansa
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11:40:58GodEater_I wondered if it was because of the <microSD1> stuff in his selection
11:41:08linuxstbGodEater_: One difference is that the Sansa doesn't have dircache - so maybe there are subtle differences in the two sets of functions.
11:41:09GodEater_but I guess our set_current_file() routine should handle that?
11:41:27GodEater_linuxstb: that's also something I considered - but I thought dircache was now transparent for plugins ?
11:41:49linuxstbYou could try disabling dircache in the config-gigabeat.h file (e.g.) and see you get the same problem.
11:41:58linuxstbGodEater_: Yes, it should be...
11:42:11GodEater_that's a good idea - I'll try that
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11:45:28GodEater_linuxstb: er. is dircache even configured in that file? I can't see it....
11:46:21pondlifeHmm, is mpegplayer supposed to work on H340? I thought it used to...
11:46:29linuxstbGodEater_: Maybe not...
11:46:34pondlifeOr maybe I'm thinking of the sim.. :/
11:46:40GodEater_or does disabling it mean I need to add something that's not there
11:46:44linuxstbpondlife: It should work on both...
11:46:55linuxstbGodEater_: Search for HAVE_DIRCACHE (IIRC)
11:47:01pondlifeI just get large blocks of colour on the target.
11:47:11pondlifeThis is with elephants dream..
11:47:33GodEater_it only appears in config.h
11:47:42GodEater_I think I'll have to #undef it
11:47:47GodEater_or however you do that
11:47:56linuxstbJust delete it in config.h...
11:48:19linuxstbOr add &!defined(TOSHIBA_GIGABEAT_F)
11:49:22ddaltonHow does talk_id work?
11:49:23linuxstb^ &&
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11:51:11Ishi``hum for ipod nano only bug now ? ( apple os 1.3.1 ) prefetch abort etc .... ( after 07/25/07 ) Thanks for respons.
11:51:31pondlifeWooh, a trippy green scrolling cloud of blobs...but the audio plays ok.
11:53:12The-CompilerThere is a bug in supedom. Should i make a bugreport?
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11:53:56linuxstbThe-Compiler: Yes, or post a patch...
11:54:12Ishi``no i play mp3 = bug ( prefetech abort ) mpeg play = prefetech abort etc ....
11:54:20peturpondlife: I have two versions of the test movie playing fine here
11:54:22The-CompilerI can't code C :)
11:54:55pondlifepetur: On the H300 device?
11:55:08pondlifeMine is elephantsdream-q6-224x176-469kbps.mpg
11:55:29markunIshi``: maybe you can try some older builds until you find out when the bug was introduced
11:55:47peturpondlife: same here
11:55:59linuxstbmarkun: I think the issue is known - the recent CPU speed changes.
11:56:02petursame file I mean
11:56:03pondlifeIshi: r14004 seems to cause this.
11:56:09pondlifepetur: Well, same name...
11:56:17peturok ok ok
11:56:22pondlifepetur: You using SVN?
11:56:28markunlinuxstb: is anyone trying to fix it?
11:56:43linuxstbI think it's on amiconn's long list...
11:56:57pondlifeI find the SVN sim displays the video, but not at the correct speed. Without limiting it's far too fast, but with limiting it's very slow.
11:57:01linuxstbmarkun: It only seems to happen with some Nanos.
11:57:06peturmy own build but synced with svn yesterday evening and no patches
11:57:30ddaltonI am a blind user and I am finding cygwin very slow and my one doesn't seem to be working properly. I got errors on files I didn't even touch. So does anyone know what I should go for should I use the vmware image or will I need something else?
11:57:54pondlifeCygwin is slow but works fine for me.
11:58:35XavierGrpfff flashing a custom bootloader is stressing....
11:58:35*petur installed linux on his laptop and is a happy man
11:58:50Ishi``markun : bug introduced 26/07/07 :]
11:58:54XavierGrI am glad that at least I can boot to OF and reflash a new bootloader
11:59:04ddaltonOk so I will just see if this build compiles otherwise it is my setup that is causing problems. Why would cygwin give me errors on files I didn't touch.
11:59:23bluebrotherBagder: I created some small icons for the players from the manual svg files
11:59:30pondlifepetur: Nope, still gives me blocks
11:59:38pondlifeThat's with the current SVN.
11:59:42bluebrotheryou can find them here (ad pngs including transparency):
11:59:44amiconnIshi``: Could you go into Debug->View HW Info and tell me the PP version? Just to make sure...
11:59:52peturpondlife: sorry, no time to try now
12:00:20pondlifeOK, I'll FS it.
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12:00:53peturOK, I'll close it 'works for me'
12:00:56nerochiarowhat's a good platform to choose in configure to approximate as much as possible a 200Mhz ARM9 machine ?
12:01:05linuxstbpetur: ;)
12:01:22Ishi``wait amiconn :)
12:01:35*amiconn has a suspicion
12:01:41amiconnNot very likely, but worth checking
12:01:49linuxstbnerochiaro: What are you trying to do? The simulator won't emulate the device's performance.
12:02:23pondlifeThe simulator's low level code is very different from the device.
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12:02:52nerochiarolinuxstb: i need to take the WMA decoder in rockbox and use it on another device. so i want to see what flags to pass to the WMA build to optimize it for an arch/machine similar to mine
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12:03:23Ishi``amiconn : HW rev :0x000C0006 / PP Version : PP5022C / Est. Clock (kHz) : 30571
12:03:25nerochiaroand i was thinking that chooseing the right one in configure and then dumping cflags and so on would be the best way
12:03:33safetydannerochiaro, the wma decoder is already faster than realtime on a 75 MHz ARM7 so I'd say you'll be fine
12:03:40amiconnThere goes my theory :(
12:03:40Ishi``Not bug for the version :)
12:04:02nerochiarosafetydan: ok, but what of the devices you support are ARM, at least ?
12:04:08nerochiarosafetydan: or are all ARM ?
12:04:20safetydannerochiaro, iPod and gigabeat at least
12:04:32bluebrothernerochiaro: all PP devices, that is Ipods, Iriver H10 and Sansa
12:04:33amiconnAll iPods, iriver H10, Sansa and gigabeat are arm
12:04:42bluebrotherand Gigabeat is ARM9 iirc.
12:04:51nerochiaroi'll pick the gigabeat for now then
12:05:02safetydanoh sod, broken build ahoy
12:05:09linuxstbnerochiaro: What device/OS/etc are you working on?
12:05:42nerochiarolinuxstb: Linux on the Neuros OSD (ARM9 core)
12:06:09Ishi``what the .map ?
12:06:23The-Compiler (my english sucks :D)
12:06:35nerochiarolinuxstb: ARM926EJ-S to be precise
12:06:44linuxstbnerochiaro: Make sure you also look in apps/metadata/asf.c - the code there does the initial parsing of the ASF file, and the wma codec itself skips the header in the file and uses information read by the asf parser.
12:07:05nerochiarolinuxstb: ok, thanks
12:07:06bluebrotherThe-Compiler: does that mean that you're referring to color targets?
12:07:32The-Compilerbluebrother: it does
12:07:42linuxstbBut you may want to look at different ASF parsers - the one in Rockbox was written from scratch (and hence is new and maybe buggy) and is very specific to the way Rockbox codecs work.
12:07:49bluebrotherthat plugin also runs on greyscale devices ;-)
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12:08:40The-Compilerbluebrother: i don't know if the bug also exists on greyscale devices.
12:09:02*amiconn reminds safetydan that we're running 80MHz on iPods for some time now
12:09:42safetydanamiconn, cool. Must have missed that particular bit of news.
12:09:51Ishi``wait for correction bug ? :(
12:09:53amiconnFirst 78, then 80
12:10:22linuxstbDidn't you test higher speeds on your g2 mini?
12:10:38amiconnThe mini worked just fine at 96MHz
12:10:46safetydanHrm,, only 620 points for that broken build. I'm sure I've done better than that .
12:10:58linuxstbamiconn: That could assist mpegplayer...
12:11:01pondlifepetur: Don't worry - mpegplayer is borked by voice.
12:11:46safetydanI'm assuming the duplicate iPod 1G/2G columns in the build table is a known issue?
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12:12:16amiconnsafetydan: The empty one should go away. Ask Bagder why it still didn't
12:12:46peturhe said the list is 7 days long
12:12:53bluebrotherBagder told that it goes away if the name vanishes from the (internal) log file, which is somewhat longer than the table
12:16:18*petur walks off to lunch
12:16:59safetydanThat's weird. I add something and the builds get smaller?
12:18:13pondlifeGood deal!
12:18:40safetydanI think it's just a miscalculation in the build size table. Maybe a broken build confuses it.
12:18:54XavierGrthat's weird SVN bootloader won't work for H115 currently
12:19:17XavierGrit will just hang after the battery ingo
12:19:23linuxstbXavierGr: Which crazy person has been trying that?
12:19:57XavierGrme :\
12:20:14XavierGrwell no worries I can flash a new bootloader
12:20:33XavierGrthough yes if I couldn't boot on OF I would be screwed
12:21:39linuxstbXavierGr: Sounds like you're the person to test flashing Rockbox on the H115...
12:22:17amiconn^2nd gen OF draws 53mA while sitting in its main menu
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12:22:48preglowamiconn: that doesn't sound very impressive
12:22:56pondlifeWhat do we draw?
12:23:08amiconnI want to check sleep mode first
12:23:37*pondlife wonders what temperature various chips reach too.
12:23:38amiconnUnfortunately the internal resistance of my multimeter is too high, so spinning up the disk makes the OF display low bat warning
12:23:56XavierGrdoes anyone know where LinusN is lost? Haven't seen him around in ages :\
12:23:58amiconnSleep mode is 1.3mA
12:25:30nerochiaroi need some help with my build. i used gigabeat as target, and symlinked my toolchain's gcc (arm-linux-gcc) as arm-elf-gcc. then run make. and i get this:
12:25:31pondlifeXavierGr: holiday, maybe?
12:25:40nerochiaroany hints ?
12:25:52XavierGrpondlife: yeah tha't why I am asking
12:25:58XavierGrmaybe someone knows
12:26:35markunnerochiaro: maybe a too old or too new toolchain?
12:26:49markunwhich versions of binutils and gcc are you using?
12:26:52*pondlife hopes nobody breaks into LinusN's house.
12:27:21markunpondlife: don't we all hope that? :)
12:27:39pondlifeA good reason not to publicise your holiday dates.
12:27:49nerochiaromarkun: gcc version 3.4.6
12:28:07ddaltonwhere are the time functions stored. I want to find out how the functions that can read the time work so I can use them.
12:28:08pondlifeEpecially if you have the world's stock of UDA1384 chips (or whatever the number is)
12:28:15XavierGrpondlife: wow that is a nice conspiracy theory :P
12:28:46pondlifeYes, there is an evil cartel of iRiver users...
12:28:54nerochiaromarkun: GNU assembler version 2.16.1 (arm-linux) using BFD version 2.16.1
12:28:54XavierGrwell back to the normal H115 bootloader for me :(
12:29:11pondlifeXavierGr: No time to debug?
12:29:20linuxstbnerochiaro: You can run the tools/ to setup gcc for Rockbox - edit the paths at the top to suit.
12:29:31pondlifeIt's not that scary as long as you don't modify the code before the OF keycheck.
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12:31:01markunnerochiaro: I use GCC 4.0.3 to compile rockbox for my Gigabeat
12:31:38desowinpondlife: nice definition - "world's stock of UDA1384 chips"
12:32:02nerochiaromarkun: should i try an ipod, that maybe requires a not-so-new toolchain ? or do they all require gcc4 ? in other words, what are Rockbox's toolchain requirements ?
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12:32:25markunnerochiaro: no, don't think that helps
12:33:34nerochiaromarkun: well, i'll try a simpler route, i don't need to build everything anyway
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12:35:18XavierGrpondlife: debug? how I can't say that I am very good at low level stuff
12:35:30XavierGrbut if someone wants me to test something sure
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12:37:05amiconnRockbox draws 68mA while sitting idle
12:37:57pondlifeXavierGr: You can maybe find out which routine it gets to by displaying messages?
12:38:21pondlifeamiconn: Both figures with backlight off?
12:38:23XavierGrpondlife: ok maybe I will try that
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12:39:26amiconn24MHz: 61mA, 30MHz: 69mA, 80MHz: 108mA
12:39:34pixelmapondlife: oh, yeah. Elephantsdream is impressive with voice enabled on my M5 (I only get a black rectangle and sometimes a few white blocks) :/
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12:40:49amiconnThe backlight draws an extra 100mA
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12:41:14freqmodDoes anybody know how to apply an SVN diff without copying all the filenames (patch doesn't recognize the headers)?
12:41:39pondlifeamiconn: So, do those OF bits make any difference...?
12:41:51*pondlife believes
12:43:08markunamiconn: did you check how much the OF draws?
12:43:32amiconnUmm, my sleep test only drops the draw to 42mA... but it just switches cpu clock
12:43:57pixelmamarkun: 12:22 ;)
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12:48:32GodEater_linuxstb: it's definitely a dircache issue :(
12:48:36GodEater_disabling dircache on the gigabeat displays the exact issue GRaTT reports
12:48:36GodEater_it looks like the dircache version of open() doesn't mind trailing slashes
12:48:36GodEater_whilst the non-dircache version doesn't like them
12:48:36DBUGEnqueued KICK GodEater_
12:48:36GodEater_the question is, do I code round that, or does one of the versions need fixing to make the behaviour consistent ?
12:48:38GodEater_and if so, which behaviour is the desired one ?
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12:49:06pondlifeCertainly they should be consistent
12:49:23pondlifeWhat does POSIX specify?
12:49:42GodEater_no clue
12:49:57GodEater_I suspect the non-dircache version is poxisly correct though
12:50:04GodEater_or posixly
12:50:10pondlife"If there are any trailing slash characters in string, they shall be removed"
12:50:20pondlifeI think this means they can be present and should be ignored...
12:50:42pondlifeFrom "IEEE/The Open Group" "POSIX Programmer's Manual"
12:51:47amiconnpondlife: These OF bits do make a difference... :)
12:52:00GodEater_pondlife: does that mean our non-dircache open() is wrong then ?
12:52:08pondlifeGodEater_: Bagder may have some experience with his CURL work...
12:52:18pondlifeamiconn: An improvement??
12:52:22amiconn30MHz: 69->61mA, 80MHz: 108->88mA, 24MHz: 61->55mA
12:52:36GodEater_nice going amiconn
12:52:43amiconnThey don't help "sleep" mode though
12:53:19amiconnI bet the remaining difference comes from not doing hdd poweroff in rockbox... but the pin is known for 1st...3rd gen
12:53:21CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
12:53:21*GodEater_ wonders what the mystery code has done
12:53:27pondlifeDo they have any relevance to the later generations, I wonder...
12:53:52markunpixelma: thanks :)
12:54:07amiconnThe DEV_EN bits are different on PP502x, and the OF quirk that helped me find them isn't present in later generationds
12:55:14pixelmaGodEater: don't know if it helps you any but e.g. the stats plugin works on multivolume targets, I remember amiconn had to fix something with a trailing slash to make it do (don't recall details but maybe it'll draw his attention ;) )
12:55:51GodEater_pixelma: working around the issue is trivial - I've already done it
12:56:06GodEater_I just don't know which version of open() needs "fixing" in the RB code base
12:56:34pondlifeProbably best to modify the dircache version...
12:58:00amiconnHmm, DerPapst isn't around :|
12:58:18*amiconn could need a 3rd gen owner to do some tests
12:58:30GodEater_pondlife: but from your description, the dircache one sounds like the one which is behaving correctly
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12:59:06pondlifeIndeed, but the non-dircache code should be regarded as definitive for Rockbox...
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12:59:55GodEater_why? If it's wrong - we should mend it!
13:00:02pondlifeIt is fair to say that dircache should not make a difference. Not so fair to redefine the basics on the fly... I am only assuming that POSIX is relevant here :)
13:00:48pondlifeAnyway, I would fix the dircache one and ask Bagder for a definitive answer.
13:01:00safetydanhuh, who knew there was a patch for Atari 2600 emulation?
13:01:05*pondlife did
13:01:17pondlifeNot synced though, is it?
13:01:45pondlifeThat would be a nice addition for us game-on-the-train types.
13:02:47pondlifeGodEater_: Or just fix the original one anyway... might be quicker.
13:03:03*pondlife vacillates
13:03:25*GodEater_ will just leave it for someone else to mend
13:04:31*pondlife has to go
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13:05:00pixelmaGodEater: isn't that leading (I meant) slash needed to distinguish internal/external volumes? And the two multivolume targets both don't have dircache. (just guessing though :/ )
13:06:14maddlermorning all...
13:07:13pixelmaGodEater: maybe I'm all wrong and you can ignore that :\
13:10:14GodEater_pixelma: the issue is with trailing slashes, not leading ones
13:10:56safetydanhrm, this 2600 emulator plugin isn't even close to being usable
13:11:44pixelmaGodEater: yeah, see above statement. I was just scared that it could break something on Ondio that works atm... ;)
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13:17:30amiconnrrrr, hafta reboot again :(
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13:20:46amiconnThe windows firewire stack isn't as robust as the usb stack
13:23:06amiconnHmm, or maybe it's the cable?
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13:26:59GodEater_Yay ?
13:27:17amiconnWith disk poweroff and the bits in question cleared, rockbox draws less power than OF when idle :D
13:27:35amiconn45mA instead of 53mA in OF
13:27:38*GodEater_ pops the virtual champagne
13:27:52*preglow pops the real champagne
13:28:04amiconnSo the HDD draws ~16mA when idle, which is about what I'd expect
13:28:45GodEater_amiconn: do you have any clues at all how to repeat your work here on >4G or are you still completely in the dark ?
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13:30:52amiconnI have some ideas what to try, but my fidnings would need to be verified on those targets which I don't have access to
13:31:18preglowwhich shouldn't be a problem
13:31:41GodEater_you still have LinusN's 5.5G correct ?
13:32:09amiconnChecking everything properly requires to cut a battery wire in order to insert a multimeter into the circuit
13:32:16amiconnGodEater: yes
13:32:21GodEater_...that would be tough on the 5.5G
13:32:28GodEater_since it doesn't have "wires" per se
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13:33:58amiconnOh? But the battery must have some kind of contacts...
13:34:17GodEater_it does - but they're traces on a bit of flexible plastic
13:36:11*GodEater_ would provide a picture, but his camera phone's macro mode isn't up to the task
13:37:19amiconnI expect battery runtime in rockbox on 2nd gen to be on par with OF after committing my latest work
13:37:47GodEater_ <−− also this has some good pics
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13:42:51amiconnGodEater: Ah, a strip of flexible PCB material...
13:43:26*amiconn is still looking for a vendor that sells small quantities of that stuff, for fixing some really old hardware :(
13:43:44preglowamiconn: i take it it will benefit other ipods as well, like for example the nano? :)
13:44:00amiconnpreglow: My current work is PP5002 only
13:44:24preglowah, i thought yo mean 2nd gen mini, for some reason...
13:44:30amiconnIt will benefit the 1st/2nd gen, and after verifying it works, also the 3rd gen. That's it, atm
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13:46:24amiconnBut I am planning to do the same kind of work on PP502x, once I figured out everything I need on PP5002
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13:48:13peturamiconn: I have in the past repaired flexible pcb by soldering a wire between two needles and weaving them in the line
13:49:41amiconnpetur: That might help if one trace is broken, but not if you have to repair really old hardware (21 years) where the plastic became brittle...
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13:51:14amiconnNow if eitehr dan_a or DerPapst were around... :/
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14:27:40Soul-Slaye1In plugins, whats the difference between button_get and button_get_w_tmo?
14:27:58Soul-Slaye1Ahh cheers.
14:27:59peturwith timeout
14:28:29Soul-Slaye1I can't see how you can put a timeout on a button.
14:28:43Soul-Slaye1But uh... I'll just avoid using that option as I don't understand it
14:29:26peturas in 'wait for a button to get pressed'?
14:29:51Soul-Slaye1Ahh. That makes far more sense.
14:29:58Soul-Slaye1Thank you
14:31:01Ishi`` r13975-070725 not bug for ipod nano / After prefetc abort etc....
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14:46:25salty-horsehow can I set the database to sort the artist>album sublist by year?
14:50:18GodEater_salty-horse: this is almost entirely the wrong place to ask - practically none of the people here use the database feature
14:50:25GodEater_you're better off in the forums
14:50:52salty-horseok. thanks
14:52:19GodEater_sorry :(
15:00:15amiconnSeems like I found the sleep function in the 2nd gen's ROM dump :)
15:00:52aliaskThe function to put it into deep sleep?
15:01:15*amiconn wonders why many people call it 'deep' sleep
15:01:29amiconnThere is only one kind of sleep in the 1st and 2nd gen
15:01:31GodEater_it doesn't dream ?
15:01:37aliaskI suppose I think of sleep as perhaps being sleep()
15:02:17aliaskAnd deep sleep akin to windows' hibernate
15:02:32amiconnYes, and that is what it's _not_ like
15:02:39amiconnWindows hibernates to disk
15:03:09aliaskWhat does the iPod hibernate to? RAM?
15:03:36amiconnThe later models can also hibernate to disk, and they can also cut power to the PP
15:04:16amiconnBut the kind of sleep where the OF wakes up instantly on button press is like suspend-to-ram
15:05:21Domonokybluebrother: now that we moved the mountpoint selection.. should we remove the windows for installs which dont need more info ? or should we use this info to present information ?
15:06:34bluebrotherwell, those windows don't contain any information so I'm for removing it.
15:07:06bluebrotherI'm just not sure if we should just start installing or put a confirmation dialog instead
15:07:26Domonokyi think confirmation would be good.. :-)
15:07:44bluebrotherbut as you can uninstall Rockbox without problems I think a confirmation dialog isn't strictly necessary.
15:07:55bluebrotherotoh users might expect one ...
15:08:39bluebrotherbtw, I hope you like the way I present the values ;-)
15:08:53Domonokyyeah it looks nice..
15:09:20Domonokybut one bug: it doesnt save the path if you enter it by hand :-) only if you browse for it..
15:09:28bluebrotherthought it would be good to emphasize it using bold text. Fortunately that is really easy :D
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15:27:37amiconnThe suspend function isn't even very complex... but it touches 3 PP registers we don't know yet
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15:27:48amiconn(and also tells something about DEV_EN)
15:28:42amiconnIt also touches 2 GPIO pins not documented by ipl
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15:33:23bluebrotheranyone against closing FS #7462?
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15:34:52GodEater_nope - go ahead and close it
15:35:33*amiconn will perform a cheap experiment soon
15:35:43amiconnJust calling the in-ROM suspend()
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15:46:57amiconnHmm, doesn't work :/
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15:53:56aliaskamiconn: Is there any other way for figuring out what GPIO pins do, other than reverse engineering the OF?
15:54:23aliaskAnd trial and error of course :)
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15:58:29amiconnaliask: Yes, request a datasheet from portalplayer... porbably doesn't help
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16:07:55Bagderthe daily builds page on the site now show rev number
16:10:42GodEater_Bagder: did you see any of the earlier convo re: open() when done with and without dircache ?
16:10:56Bagderjust briefly
16:11:18GodEater_any feeling one way or the other ?
16:11:31Bagdercan you recap the issue?
16:11:54GodEater_when dircache is enabled, open() will return success on a directory when the path to includes the trailing /
16:12:08GodEater_however, without dircache, open() fails in the same situation
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16:12:46GodEater_I'm not sure which is the correct behaviour
16:13:08Bagderallowing the slash seems like more forgiving, but I'm not sure more forgiving is the better choice for us
16:13:29BagderI would expect most POSIX systems to work with the slash or not
16:13:41GodEater_that's what pondlife read
16:14:35Bagderis the slash passed in in several places in the code?
16:15:02GodEater_well I only turned the issue up in my plugin
16:15:04GodEater_so I guess not
16:15:09GodEater_otherwise we'd have noticed it before
16:15:36GodEater_at least I assume so
16:16:10GodEater_I'm not really sure how many other bits of rockbox use open() on a directory rather than opendir()
16:16:49Bagderprobably not that many
16:17:30GodEater_I was just using it as a "does this exist?" test
16:19:20GodEater_well I shall let you ponder which behaviour needs mending then
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16:19:30GodEater_consistency would be nice though ;)
16:19:52BagderI think we should allow the slash
16:19:54GodEater_put it to the vote perhaps ?
16:19:57rasherFollowing POSIX seems the right thing to do
16:20:03GodEater_that's what I thought
16:20:07GodEater_but pondlife felt otherwise
16:20:13GodEater_and then changed his mind ;)
16:21:23*GodEater_ wanders off to have a look and see if he can offer a patch to fix it that isn't too hacky
16:22:58rasherBagder, any thoughts on
16:23:52Bagderoh, I missed that. I'll try to have a look at it tonight
16:24:16rasherI tried looking at it, but genlang is a bit of a mystery to me
16:24:41Bagderyeah, it is a bit of a maze... I should sprinkle in a few comments
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16:25:46rasherWell, I can mostly figure out the big picture, but I'm not at all sure where to look to fix that bug
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16:27:45kalleperssonHi, one small question
16:28:05kalleperssonI have a b/w iPod Mini, can I replace colour icons on it?
16:28:10kalleperssonAn they'll turn b/w?
16:28:28desowinhow would you replace icons?
16:28:30kalleperssonI guess not, but I thought I'd ask
16:28:40kalleperssonI don't know, just saw an icon theme page
16:28:56desowinbtw. I have mini as well, but with grayscale lib I feel like there're some more colrs than just black and white
16:29:44kalleperssonI think I might have the grayscale lib as well.
16:30:02desowinit is in rockbox
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16:31:12rasherThe grayscale lib is only available to plugins - not Rockbox main (for performance reasons).
16:32:05rasherkallepersson, You could just try putting the colour icons on it and see. I don't know the answer myself, but it'll be harmless to try
16:36:07The-CompilerAre developers here who have time to give an interview for my german rockbox-podcast (
16:36:27The-CompilerSorry for my bad english. I know, my english sucks :D
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16:37:16GodEater_is the interview going to be in german ? :)
16:37:59The-Compilerno, it isn't. I do the interview in english and read it in german in the podcast.
16:38:22GodEater_do you know which areas you're looking to cover ?
16:40:24GodEater_if you have your questions listed somewhere - perhaps post them to pastebin and then you can get answers from the right people ?
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16:41:06The-Compilergeneric things, e.g. "How much time do you usually spend on Rockbox?" or "In what ways do you make a contribution to Rockbox?".
16:41:28AceNikjens arnold: amazing work on the H10 processor stuff, it works perfect now, all the plugins like fire, cube play at full speed with the songs playing
16:41:40GodEater_the answers to those would probably vary greatly by developer...
16:42:21*GodEater_ thinks that "Rockbox uses less power than the OF on 1st, 2nd and 3rd Gen iPods" should be MajorChanges news.
16:42:28AceNikguys the new superdom game i good, try increasing the computers farms & factories more, & also keep music playing, the game tends to hang a lot of times
16:42:30The-CompilerGodEater_: sounds good, but if I make the interview via IRC then I can make it a little bit more dynamic.
16:43:18The-CompilerAceNik: Do a bugreport at the tracker (
16:43:36peturAceNik: it works better if you use IRC nicks in here, most only have highlighting on their nick, not real name
16:44:21The-CompilerGodEater_: >Rockbox uses less power than the OF on 1st, 2nd and 3rd Gen iPods< really? Good work!
16:44:58GodEater_amiconn made it happen
16:45:08Soul-Slaye1I swear he said it didn't
16:45:48GodEater_it didn't what ?
16:45:50Soul-Slaye1I thought he said OF idled at 53 mA but RB was 68 mA
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16:46:22GodEater_miconn> 45mA instead of 53mA in OF
16:46:28GodEater_insert the a where relevant
16:46:30Soul-Slaye1Ahh okay, missed it.
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16:47:00GodEater_good afternoon toffe82
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16:47:41The-CompilerGodEater_: Have you time to do the interview? It would be nice :)
16:47:46The-Compilerhi toffe82
16:47:52GodEater_The-Compiler: I do - but I'm not a dev ;)
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16:48:34Soul-Slaye1The-Compiler: You could just aim general questions to the room and people will answer ^^
16:48:56The-CompilerGodEater_: nvm... I think it would be interesting anyway.
16:49:17pixelmakallepersson: the mini's display has 4 shades of "grey": black, white, dark and light grey. Colour bitmaps used as icons or in the wps for example are automatically reduced to these 4 tones - dithered if necessary. It should work but maybe it doesn't look as nice, but as been said it's harmless to try.
16:49:20GodEater_then sure
16:50:09The-CompilerSoul-Slaye1: I think that would result in a chaos :D
16:51:33pixelmakallepersson: plugins like the jpeg viewer for example can use the greyscale lib which gives more shades
16:54:50rasherThe-Compiler, you could do it in a temporary channel for people interested in getting interviewed. That way you can interview multiple people, but not as much chaos.
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16:55:20GRaTTping GodEater
16:56:40GRaTTjust tried latest version of shorcuts
16:56:51*GodEater_ waits for bad news...
16:56:51GRaTTsame behaviour
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16:58:01GRaTTI have not looked at the code yet to debug for the errors will in next few days
16:58:17GodEater_GRaTT: I'm convinced it's something to do with dircache
16:58:34GRaTTI followed the conversation earlier
16:58:49GodEater_when I turned off dircache on my gigabeat
16:58:53GodEater_and tried the earlier patch
16:58:57GodEater_I got what you describe
16:59:05GodEater_but the code I added should work round that now
17:00:22GodEater_at least - it did when I tried it on the gigabeat
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17:00:46GRaTTI just finished 12 hour night shift so not thinking straight enough right now to read code
17:01:22GodEater_I don't think reading *my* code will help
17:01:55GRaTTI was going to offer up some of my patches and plugins for possible inclusion to svn
17:02:12GRaTTFS6884 playlist converter for sansa
17:02:43GRaTTFS7499 new button map for sansa for jpeg viewer
17:03:05GRaTTFS7076 fix for the calendar for the sansa
17:03:16GRaTTFS7114 html parser
17:03:22rasherAceNik, That's not appropriate for the bug tracker. You should have posted that in the forum instead. It's simply a matter of your dap not being able to keep up with both playing music and the game.
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17:04:15AceNik rasher: someone here suggested me to make a bug entry so i did, now if you please should i make a forum entry too ?
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17:04:49AceNik rasher: my player is able to play all othe rgames with music being on , the more intensive games like xobox, then why superdom ?
17:05:17rasherAceNik, How do you know that xobox is more intensive than superdom?
17:05:43Soul-Slaye1AceNik: Your target is?
17:06:39AceNik rasher: well it does have more movement than superdom, my target is the H10[20GB], rasher if you feel its inappropriate close the task , dont scrutinise me here
17:07:13Soul-Slaye1Superdom lacks rb->yield() anywhere, could that be the problem?
17:07:25Soul-Slaye1That sentence wasn't correct, but I'm sure you understand.
17:07:56*GodEater_ is willing to bet AceNik's player can't do pacbox with sound
17:08:06rasherSoul-Slaye1, could be, but it could also be more cpu-intensive. Especially if it has any sort of AI in it (I don't really know what kind of game it is).
17:08:29Soul-Slaye1It's turn based, so it's not too intense
17:08:37AceNik rasher: btw the h10 has recently been well optimised recently , all othr plugins work pretty well
17:09:14rasherAceNik, I'm not trying to scrutinise you, I'm simply attempting to answer your question.
17:09:28AceNikGodEater: i just put pacman yesterday ill check that for you , not tried it yet ?
17:09:41GodEater_how much we betting AceNik ?
17:09:45GodEater_$100 ?
17:09:54AceNik rasher:well my answer was correct superdom is not cpu-intensive
17:10:11rasherAceNik, how do you know it isn't? When are you getting the hangups?
17:10:16Soul-Slaye1GodEater_: Am I allowed to use my gigabeat :P?
17:10:28GodEater_Soul-Slaye1: no - cos I know damn well it works on that ;)
17:10:33Soul-Slaye1Heh ;)
17:10:40amiconnGodEater: Not all of my work is committed yet. But the disk poweroff aloready brings it roughly on par with the OF
17:11:51amiconnDisabling the extra bits is simple, but I also want to figure out suspend mode, and what each of the remaining bits does
17:11:55GodEater_well don't forget to add it when you do amiconn ;)
17:12:08AceNik rasher: well while i press a simple thing like finish turn
17:12:14AceNik rasher: finish moving
17:12:36AceNik rasher: or once i nuked the whole enemy territory & the game didnt respond
17:12:57AceNikGodEater: well does packbox actually support sound on H10?
17:12:59rasherAceNik: That probably means it's while the opponent is "thinking" about it's next turn, which is very likely very cpu-intensive
17:13:54AceNik rasher: well then it has to break that thinking in a while doesnt it ?
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17:14:56Soul-Slaye1I still think there needs to be some yields in there somewhere... Although I'm no pro.
17:15:23rasherAceNik, It does, yes. I'll update the tracker entry to reflect this.
17:15:29rasherSoul-Slaye1, you're probably right
17:15:53AceNik rasher: ok
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17:20:01rasherAceNik: Done. Sorry if I sounded harsh, but "sound skips during cpu-intensive work" is a very frequent question that's usually not a bug, but simply a limitation of the dap.
17:21:14AceNik rasher: well keep crossfading on im sure this shall make it hang, but once when music was not playing it also hung then
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17:22:26Soul-Slaye1AceNik: I have an H10, can you provide steps to reproduce this bug?
17:22:31rasherAceNik, in the last case, did you ahve to reset the device?
17:22:44rasherAceNik, or did it simply not respond to buttons for a while, then continue the game?
17:22:46GodEater_GRaTT: I just double double checked - and the latest shortcuts.patch definitely works on a non-dircacheing gigabeat
17:23:00GodEater_so I've no clue what's wrong with the Sansa :(
17:23:11AceNik rasher: i neede to reste the device
17:23:27GRaTTGodEater I will attempt to debug after a sleep
17:23:28Soul-Slaye1AceNik: Could you tell me how I can reproduce this freeze please
17:23:36rasherAceNik, okay, then that's a seperate issue
17:25:52GRaTTGodEater When I first tried to get around the error I removed the check and it worked.
17:26:15GodEater_you can't leave it like that though
17:26:23GodEater_in case the user really HAS removed the entry from disk
17:26:24GRaTTI do not remember all the details of how it worked
17:27:09GRaTTTHe single link does not work either
17:27:37GodEater_it wouldn't - it uses the same check
17:27:49GodEater_I really don't understand the isse
17:27:51GRaTTAlso different behaviour from running link file or plugin
17:27:57GodEater_it works on all three DAPS I own
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17:28:29GRaTTThe last time I tried before this I went to brand new clean svn
17:28:32GodEater_again - not so here
17:28:44GodEater_well I'd recommend a clean svn to track it down
17:28:51GodEater_otherwise you've no idea what else is goig on
17:29:22GRaTTI will do that and add in some splashes to watch the strings
17:29:48pixelmawhat's the flyspray number? I could take a look with my non-dircache multivolume target as well.
17:30:19GodEater_let me sync it again pixelma
17:30:29GodEater_svn is moving with pace the last couple of days!
17:31:30GodEater_there you go
17:31:41pixelmajust want to read the entry first... btw. there are issues with updating database too (maybe it's a more "generic" bug)?
17:31:54GRaTTI just looked over my history and the shorcuts patch still had the .h file
17:32:04GRaTTI thought you removed it?
17:32:34GodEater_I did
17:32:39GodEater_wth have I done
17:33:02GRaTTI just was wondering if i used the right patch
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17:36:29GodEater_ok - it's gone again!
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17:36:48bluebrotherDomonoky: why are you constructing a filename from the url in installzipwindow.cpp:89?
17:36:58GRaTTGodEater I am getting new svn now
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17:39:05bluebrotherthat value is overwritten in installzip.cpp:40 anway
17:39:11bluebrotheror am I understanding something wrong here?
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17:43:45GRaTTGodEater: the single link doea not work even on files that do link properly.
17:45:55GodEater_have you tried this in a sansa simulator GRaTT ?
17:46:04Soul-Slaye1Well I'm an idiot, I just built a gigabeat build for my H10 and sat here wondering why it kept erroring.
17:46:08GRaTTI am compiling it now
17:46:41GRaTTI have not tried the sim before though
17:47:00GodEater_I couldn't work out how to bring up the context menu on the sansa sim
17:47:08GodEater_so I didn't manage to test it there
17:47:16GRaTTnumpad 3
17:47:32GRaTTor you mean code it
17:48:29GodEater_no - I just couldn't work out which button to push
17:48:38GodEater_if you say it's numpad 3 I believe you!
17:49:00GRaTTit might be numpad2 i really need sleep. I will confirm in 2 min.
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17:49:11GodEater_k - I have to run now anyway
17:49:14GodEater_speak to you later about it
17:50:32christian_hi, I know I'm not quite right here but does anybody know about this new amarok Rockbox support?
17:50:41GRaTTseem to have lost the rule to make install
17:51:29christian_because it seems like my amarok does not do anything rockbox specific...
17:51:34Domonokybluebrother: its not needed, dont know why i have done this .. :-)
17:51:43pixelmachristian_: I don't think people in here know about that, you should get in contact with the amarok guys somehow
17:52:23Soul-Slaye1christian_: There is no 'rockbox specific', all it can do that is special is copy your music onto the disk, just like a normal copy procedure
17:52:27Domonokybluebrother: but i see other problems.. we create object with new but we never delete them.. :-) (i tryed to delete some, but got problems..)
17:53:34christian_ah alright! thanks! Thats more than the Amarok people knew... But indeed thats not special at all :-(
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17:55:44Domonokybluebrother: i just read up, deletion isnt really a problem, we just have to make sure, every object has a parte
17:55:46The-Compilerchristian_: In the newest version rockbox should supporting rockbox.
17:56:02Domonokybluebrother: a parent.. then qt will delete it for us..
17:56:48Soul-Slaye1christian_: Still, if it does do anything special you're better off asking the Amarok team.
17:56:54The-CompilerHas some other here time for an interview? The one with GodEater is done. :)
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17:57:39Domonokyan interview ? for what..? :-)
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17:58:11The-CompilerDomonoky: For a German Podcast about Rockbox (
17:58:16Soul-SlayerThe-Compiler: I'm not a dev, I've contributed but that's about it... But I can answer some questions if you need.
17:58:37Soul-SlayerDomonoky is a dev though so you may be better off with him if he has the time :p
17:58:51*Domonoky is also not a great rockbox dev, mostly rbutil :-)
17:59:18The-CompilerI think interviews with users are interessting, too
17:59:19*Domonoky can even talk german :-)
17:59:30Soul-SlayerHax :o.
17:59:40christian_The-Compiler: what did you mean by that: "In the newest version rockbox should supporting rockbox."
18:00:10The-CompilerOoops :D *amarok should supporting rockbox
18:01:35christian_Ok thats what I also read but nobody seems to know what it actually does. Not even on the amarok channel...
18:01:55Soul-SlayerI can tell it's a hit :P
18:02:05Soul-SlayerI really can't see what special feature it could be
18:02:28Soul-SlayerPerhaps to do with the album art patch
18:02:58GRaTTit must be as it already support UMS device and sync
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18:04:03christian_is there any other Program which is able to sync ratings between rockbox and PC?
18:08:32bluebrotherDomonoky: I was aware of the auto-destruction of objects once their parent goes ;-)
18:08:55bluebrotherjust removed the installation dialog for fonts and game files and added a simple message box instead
18:09:16Domonokybluebrother: nice :-)
18:09:24bluebrotherI don't think installzipwindow.{cpp,h} is needed anymore −− should we keep it?
18:09:38bluebrotherotoh, we can always find the old version in the repo.
18:09:39Domonokyno, remvoe it..
18:09:51bluebrothergood. Will commit soon.
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18:14:40bluebrotherThe-Compiler: the podcast website is down ...
18:15:46The-Compilerbluebrother: I know, but I can do nothing, because i'm not the webmaster :) (it's TheMaster from, the rb-lounge is down, too)
18:16:15bluebrotherI know −− but you might be able nagging him ;-)
18:16:21bluebrotherwhat's the status of the podcast?
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18:18:23nutellajunkieoh my god
18:18:26nutellajunkieits like, real
18:18:40nutellajunkieyes, its so real!
18:18:40bluebrotheras in really really?
18:18:50nutellajunkiereally really!
18:18:54nutellajunkieI turned it on, and its real
18:18:54bluebrotherdamn. And I thought this is cyberspace.
18:19:23nutellajunkiewow how IRC has changed! last time I lived on here was... hey hang on
18:19:24nutellajunkieoh damn
18:19:45bluebrotherso it's not real anymore?
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18:20:12nutellajunkiedamn THC
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18:21:08nutellajunkieso while I am folndling my iaudio rockbox, I must say,.. impressed I am.. but patching, I thought that was something to do with cleaning a hamsters cage!
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18:21:45bluebrotherpatching? The iaudio doesn't need some patched firmware.
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18:22:05nutellajunkiejust trying to add mod/tracker thingie
18:22:21Soul-SlayerCheck the wiki ^^
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18:22:28Soul-SlayerArticle WorkingWithPatches
18:22:40nutellajunkieim stupid
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18:29:02nutellajunkieany difference between bootloader 1 and 2 ?
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18:31:22Soul-SlayerI'm stupid :S... I just spent ages trying to work out why I couldn't get my patched version of superdom working, only to realise that I was trying it on my 6GB H10... Which it isn't ported to :S.
18:31:41Soul-Slayer.... Which makes me wonder why it installed at all
18:32:30Soul-SlayerOh okay, I know what happened. Panic over people.
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18:33:56nutellajunkiestupid day today
18:34:02nutellajunkieI still cant play mods on my iaudio
18:34:17Soul-SlayerDo you know how to compile patches?
18:34:53Soul-SlayerThen either I've misunderstood what you mean by 'mods', or you won't be able to :p
18:34:59Soul-SlayerWhatcha mean by mods :P?
18:35:04The-CompilerNext one for an interview?
18:35:17*bluebrother goes coding
18:35:23nutellajunkietracker mods from my amiga
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18:40:34The-Compiler"ach well ahll jist huvv tae hinder oan" O_o :D
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18:43:12Soul-SlayerOh well I'll just have to something something :p
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18:51:29The-CompilerNoone time for an interview? :D
18:51:59The-Compiler*Nobody :)
18:52:11bluebrotherhow many people do you want to interview? 10 for the first podcast? ;-)
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18:54:53The-Compilerbluebrother: No... I collecting these interviews and read one per podcast then :)
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18:56:41amiconnDown to <7mA in suspend (with a bunch of nasty hacks)
18:57:04amiconn...and no wakeup other than reset atm
18:57:08Soul-SlayerLess nice
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19:03:03amiconnThe suspend function must reside in iram as dram is put into suspend mode too (and I think I know how)
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19:04:58low_lightamiconn: here's another clock changing routine from the m:robe bootloader:
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19:10:49saratoganerochiaro: if you have wma questions, you should probably ask me or possibly linuxstb
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19:11:25nerochiarosaratoga: well, i'd like to talk to you a bit about WMA, but i'm a bit busy now, sorry
19:11:46nerochiarosaratoga: will get back to you later if you're still around
19:11:48saratogai'm generally on from about 4 to midnight Eastern US time
19:12:03nerochiarosaratoga: what time is that now there ?
19:12:08saratogaso anytime between now and 4 AM Rockbox time would be fine
19:12:17saratoga1 PM
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19:12:38saratogathough i may not be immiedately around until 4 or 5
19:12:59nerochiarosaratoga: ok, i'll remember that, marked on my clock
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19:19:39My_Sicplease, how many mah have a battery of an Ipod 5G ?
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19:21:53Rondom400 only?
19:22:19amiconnBuschel, My_Sic: It actually depends. The 30GB models have 400mAh and the 60/80GB models have 600mAh
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19:26:15Soul-SlayerIs there a reason this information isn't in the rockbox wiki?
19:26:28Soul-SlayerAny objections to me adding it?
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19:27:23My_Sicit was in the wiki, but i can't find him today
19:27:32Buschelamiconn: sorry, you're right. forgot the larger ones...
19:27:51amiconnSoul-Slayer: Should go into
19:29:17My_Sicthis page must be edited for ipod video, add 600mah for the 60go
19:29:23My_Sicandfor the 8Ógo
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19:31:56amiconnMy_Sic: Most other ipods too
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19:34:19Soul-Slayeramiconn: All the batteries currently say 'Li-Ion (custom)'... What does it mean by 'custom'?
19:34:37amiconnCustom as in not standardized
19:35:18amiconnSome other devices (e.g. most archoses) use standard AA cells or AAA cells you can buy practically everywhere
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19:36:20D0ugHello, would somone be able to send me a link to an emulator for Rockbox, a build that is intended for windows.
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19:37:41D0ugThank you very much
19:38:09Soul-SlayerI suggest you use the iPod video one, larger screen.
19:38:31Soul-SlayerUnless you need it for comparison against your target.
19:39:07LloreanAs a note: Those are very definitely not emulators
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19:39:52The-CompilerIs there also a builded version for linux or should i compile it myself`
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19:40:04LloreanNo hardware is emulated, they're simply a simulation of the user interface and software.
19:41:24Soul-SlayerThe-Compiler: You will need to compile your own for Linux.
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19:45:12saratogabuilding the sim on linux is pretty trivial
19:45:18saratogasince all you need is svn and gcc
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19:46:05pixelmasaratoga: don't you have a 3rd gen Ipod too?
19:46:14saratogai do
19:46:21saratogahaven't used it in forever though
19:46:32pixelmaamiconn was looking for a tester earlier
19:46:38saratogasure i can test
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19:47:27saratogaammicon: let me know if you need something run on the 3G
19:48:14pixelmamaybe that didn't trigger amiconn though ;)
19:48:49saratogaamiconn: you too
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19:59:02Domonokybluebrother: i have some strange error: the bootloader installation is broken.. it seems the HttpGet somehow doesnt emit the done() signal ? but for other downloads it works.. :-/
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19:59:23bluebrotherDomonoky: which bootloader?
19:59:36Domonokybluebrother: try the gigabeat..
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20:00:22bluebrotherhmm, looks fine here. It only fails finding the OF file
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20:00:34bluebrotheras I'm installing into some random folder for testing ;-)
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20:00:51Domonokybut it continues after downloading ?
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20:01:09Domonokyhm.. strange, so its a problem on my box..
20:01:40bluebrotherI touched that file, seems to work fine here.
20:03:12amiconnsaratoga: Hmm, I would like you to do some tests, but first I have a question
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20:03:51Domonokyso i spend hours debugging an error, which doesnt happen for others :-) will try a clean svn version of rbutil :-)
20:03:54amiconnIf you boot into the OF, then plug usb or firewire, and unplug it again, does the OF reboot or does it return from diskmode without rebooting?
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20:05:25bluebrotherbut bootloader installation also needs to get cleaned of that device path line ;-)
20:06:01bluebrotherI think that's only needed for fwpatcher installs.
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20:06:02Domonokyyeah, but we have to think about the window.. for irver bootloader installation you need an extra file..
20:06:09bluebrother(a file entry I mean)
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20:08:31Davide-NYCamiconn: Just FYI: I gave jhmikes a 3g a while back.
20:08:51amiconnYes, but he has no cable to connect it...
20:09:07*Davide-NYC smacks forehead
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20:15:36saratogaamiconn: unfortuantely, i'm in the middle of someting, but i'll try and get you the answer to that later today
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20:36:28amiconnThe LCD draws ~1mA
20:39:00rasherDoes anyone know if the order of phrases in the language files matter?
20:39:22amiconnIt does matter in english.lang, as that is the master
20:39:57rasherThat's what I figured. And for the rest, they'll be sorted as the english once they're converted to a binary language file?
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20:41:07amiconnBut keeping them in english.lang order is still a good idea imho
20:41:28The-CompilerAny user/developer of rockbox here who have time to give an interview for my german Rockbox-Podcast? (Yes, I ask this question now the third time today :D)
20:42:15rasheramiconn, I don't think genlang keeps new strings in order. At least dansk.lang and italiano.lang were in a totally different order when I just checked.
20:42:46amiconnYay! Found the last extra power consumer. Now I can make rockbox sleep as deep as the OF :)
20:43:04markunpixelma: not feeling like giving an interview? :)
20:43:09amiconnStill a huge hack, but a breakthrough imho
20:43:27peturbut onlu 1/2/3 gen?
20:43:45markunamiconn: what was this power consumer?
20:43:53amiconnThe DAC
20:44:04amiconnA simple audiohw_close() fixes it
20:44:13Lloreanamiconn: Meaning we can have quick shutdown/startup on iPods? Or just on 1/2/3G?
20:44:17bluebrotherThe-Compiler: the other part of the question would be if someone is interested getting interviewed ;-)
20:44:33The-Compilerbluebrother: yup :)
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20:44:56amiconnLlorean: (1) Just 1/2/3G (2) I don't care about _real_ standby mode, I just need fake standby as the 1/2G cannot be shut down
20:45:29LloreanI wouldn't mind a fake *or* a real one on the later iPods just so people would stop asking for it. ;)
20:45:39amiconnAnd for G3 this isn't needed, as it can be shut down for real
20:46:11bluebrotherdoes this also give hope to get the power consumption on 4G+ ipods to a better level?
20:46:18amiconnThe fake standby will behave like a shutdown, just that a small current draw remains
20:46:20bluebrotheror is that completely different for those models?
20:46:35amiconnThat's something very different needing separate investigation
20:47:25bluebrothertoo bad
20:47:42amiconnNot bad, just more work
20:48:08amiconnPP5002 and PP502x differ in many details, but they share concepts
20:48:17LloreanIf I recall, you had a lead in the PP502x power consumption issue anyway?
20:48:26amiconnSo understanding how things work on PP5002 help figuring out PP502x
20:49:37amiconnNot yet, but I learned today where to look
20:50:04amiconnUnfortunately the Mini G2 and Video OF doesn't make it as easy as the G1/G2 OF
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20:50:29bluebrotherapple obfuscated the code harder?
20:50:41amiconnAnd I *need* a G3 tester to make further progress !! :\/
20:51:00amiconnbluebrother: No, but the PP502x ipod OF behaves different
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20:51:13amiconnIt doesn't reboot after using diskmode in the main firmware
20:53:03*amiconn thinks all this RE were a whole lot easier if he had access to one of each ipod models
20:53:55The-CompilerIs someone here interested getting interviewed for my podcast? Silence...... :D
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20:57:00LloreanThe-Compiler: Maybe you should wait at least an hour between requests.
20:57:24bluebrotheror ask again in a couple of days?
20:57:28LloreanThere hasn't really been many people at all entering/leavng the room or displaying new activity since you last left
20:57:34LloreanThe BEST plan though would be a single posting to the mailing list
20:57:52bluebrotherDoesn't look like people are keen on interviews
20:58:03The-CompilerLlorean: nice idea
20:59:41The-CompilerHow can I do this? Simply send a message at
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21:00:21LloreanI'd actually suggest the development list. Although it's for development topics, you're strictly interested in developers and a single message attempting to contact them wouldn't be out of place, I think
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21:01:08The-CompilerI'm also interested in users
21:01:32LloreanWell then the main list should be fine
21:06:05markunThe-Compiler: also post in the forum if you are interested in users
21:06:36markunThe-Compiler: or maybe ask here:
21:07:49The-Compiler>or maybe ask here:< I do
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21:08:36amiconndan_a: First, a question: If you boot into the OF, then plug usb or firewire, and unplug it again, does the OF reboot or does it return from diskmode without rebooting?
21:09:07amiconnVery easy to see if you have rockbox installed, as it will boot back into rockbox if it reboots.
21:10:46amiconnThe 1st/2nd gen OF reboots (useful for us), the Mini 2nd gen and Video OF does not (bad for us)
21:11:48dan_aIt doesn't reboot
21:13:16amiconnHmm, bad
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21:13:41amiconnI'll commit a tiny debug menu change in an instant, the next test requires that
21:14:36PaulJamhey, did the addition of the disk number in the database make a rebuild neccesary?
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21:23:35LloreanPaulJam: I imagine a rebuild is only necessary if you want to make use of the disk number, though I can't state this authoritatively.
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21:24:54authumalki'll do the podcast
21:25:46amiconndan_a: Committed. Could you install a fresh build, and then check the value of DEV_EN in the debug screen?
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21:28:19christian_hi there, Is it possible to sort songs by there BPM tag in the Databese browser?
21:29:38PaulJamLlorean: with the current build it said that the database is not initialized. but i was able to access the database again by installing a build from before that change in order to export my runtime stats.
21:30:23bluebrotherchristian_: no. There is no standard tag for that across file formats so it's kinda pointless.
21:31:34christian_ok. I asked because I use this tag within mp3s to store my ratings...
21:31:56bluebrotherRockbox has its own rating stored in the database.
21:32:22bluebrotherbut you're free to write a converter ;-)
21:34:18dan_aamiconn: 0x0000FBFF
21:34:31amiconnHmm, as I expected... :/
21:34:39dan_aI have to go out now, but let me know what else I can do and I'll do it when I get back
21:34:45christian_The problem is that I can't find a way to sync my ratings from the PC to my "rockboxed ipod"
21:34:49amiconnEverything enabled except the builtin LCD controller (which is unused)
21:34:54LloreanPaulJam: Well then, it needs to be rebuilt. :)
21:35:04ZenMasterJGso i've just tried the past two daily builds on my ipod video, and i get an error "data abort at 002FC84" whenever i try to play anything. I haven't tried older builds yet, but i dont see anything about it in the bug database... anyone know whats up, or should i submit a bug report?
21:35:22amiconndan_a: Next test would be to set it like the 2nd gen OF sets it, and check whether everything works
21:35:43Lloreanchristian_: If you're using an open source media player (or one that has plugins) simply request someone write one that can read/use the Rockbox database for Ratings
21:36:22christian_ok I'll try that at amarok
21:40:23rasherI've created a web-based interface to genlang for translations. If you could check it out and report bugs and/or usability problems to me, I'll see if I can fix them.">
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21:44:58bluebrotherrasher: typo on the overview page: Rockbxo ;-)
21:46:19ShayArnettis there a list of supported codecs on the site?
21:46:40ShayArnetti hate to come in here asking a bunch of stupid questions just because i can't find where they are on the site
21:46:57LloreanShayArnett: I think there's a SoundCodecs wiki page, but I'm not certain
21:47:29bluebrotherthere is.
21:47:37ZenMasterJGaha, updating the bootloader fixed it. i must've been running a /really/ old build
21:47:44bluebrotheryou most likely are interested in the "current status" part ;-)
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21:47:54rasherbluebrother, Well that was an easy fix..
21:48:58bluebrotherthe page is nice. Two thoughts:
21:49:23bluebrother(1) is there any note what version of the lang files are used?
21:49:31bluebrother(2) how about generating diffs for posting?
21:51:06ShayArnettanyone with 5.5g ipods care to comment on battery life of rockbox vs apple firmware?
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21:52:13authumalkthe battery life is about the same as with the apple os
21:52:26rasherbluebrother, I have the version of each file stored and can easily include that, yes. Creating diffs is not going to be as easy. Besides, posting langs as full files in the tracker rather than diff has long been accepted afaik. I think it was even preferred at one point.
21:52:28ShayArnettare you able to play unprotected wmas?
21:53:08LloreanShayArnett: Yes you can play unprotected WMAs, and no the battery life isn't as good. Expect somewhere around 2/3 of what you get in Apple, for most people it seems.
21:53:22Soul-Slayerauthumalk: Ehm, about the same? It's about 50-75%
21:53:46LloreanSoul-Slayer: I think we're averaging about 2/3 right now
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21:53:52LloreanUnder identical conditions
21:54:00ShayArnettprolly give it a shot then.. i am definately not looking forward to converting all my music to mp3
21:54:00authumalkit's not terrible
21:54:02LloreanFew people using Rockbox though use it under identical conditions as the Apple firmware.
21:54:28bluebrotherrasher: never was aware that posting complete lang files was preferred.
21:54:57Soul-SlayerShayArnett: Current WMA decoder is in early stages, you can't seek and stuff yet
21:55:01bluebrotherwho wants wma anyway? :P
21:55:19Soul-SlayerWell, ShayArnett apparently :).
21:55:22authumalkpeople who want wma want wma
21:55:37bluebrotherthere are people who want wma?
21:55:40authumalkpersonally mp3 and flac work for me
21:56:04amiconnLlorean: It seems to depend on the individual target. For G5 and Nano it seems to be ~2/3
21:56:12amiconnSome PP5020 targets only get 1/2
21:56:20rasherbluebrother, well, it might just have been a comment someone made somewhere, but it certainly was accepted at one point at least. But anyway, it will be difficult for me to generate a diff, I think, so I think it's the best I can do.
21:56:29bluebrotherrasher: how about adding a comment line at the top of the generated lang file that states the revision of the original file?
21:56:49rasherbluebrother, I'll do that at once
21:56:51bluebrotherit's great to have such a page anyway. Good work!
21:57:06Soul-Slayerbluebrother: Apparently there are people who want NES sounds, WMA isn't that bad ^^
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21:58:03pixelmarasher: completely unimportant but I believe "Wallisertitsch" can get the Switzerland flag
21:58:05ShayArnettbluebrother: I have a zune currently and all my music is in wma didn't have a reason to rip to mp3 then
21:58:17Lloreanamiconn: The user specifically asked about iPod Videos though. :)
21:58:23ShayArnettso it's either convert all the music or convert the ipod :D
21:58:25pixelmarasher: but really nice idea :)
21:58:42bluebrotherSoul-Slayer: it's a MS format, so that's reason enough to not use it
21:58:50Lloreanamiconn: Besides, I'm counting on you to fix our power issues soon anyway. ;)
21:58:58LloreanNo pressure of course. Heh.
21:59:09bluebrothernah! Do it now! *g*
21:59:34amiconnHrmph, I wanted to show a different reg. on PP502x :|
21:59:43LloreanShayArnett: Standard WMA is both less compatible, and falls behind LAME-MP3 on many listening tests anyway. You might want to encode MP3 just for future security anyway
22:00:21rasherpixelma, I suppose so, although I've given catalan the flag of catalonia. Wikipedia only has a coat of arms for Wallis though, which just looks weird.
22:01:58pixelmaI see - was my second thought now too
22:03:53pixelmaand no one took care of that language file for a long time
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22:04:14rasherYeah, there are some very outdated translations
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22:07:09rasheramiconn, I actually found this, but since I took all the other flags from wikimedia (and could easily get specific sizes) I didn't bother. I guess I'll make a resized version of that flag manually.
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22:08:13bluebrotherrasher: what do you think about adding a note about the last update of a language?
22:09:03rasherbluebrother, that'd be difficult, since the languages get edited once in a while by devs without actually being updated
22:10:24LloreanYou could always say "Last edited (date) or earlier"
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22:10:51LloreanThen, if you could catch the last time all the languages were touched, you could post that date too, so any languages with the same date as that are probably "earlier"
22:10:55rasherTrue, but I don't think that's terribly useful. The last 9 edits to afrikaans.lang were not actual updates.
22:11:26LloreanCan we add a date line into the language files, for keeping track of how old the actual translation is then?
22:12:13rasherActually, I guess I could just ignore those specific commits when looking for the "last updated" date.
22:12:45LloreanI actually think a date in the file might be nice overall, so someone doing a svn checkout still can know very easily when the last update was.
22:13:11rasherI'm doing screenscraping from ViewVC though, so it's not terribly easy to do anything ( is hosted on a Windows box which I do not control)
22:13:43amiconnIt would be more interesting to see how many strings are actually translated
22:13:52Lloreanrasher: I was talking about as part of SVN
22:13:59LloreanNot something on your side
22:15:21rasheramiconn, why? Isn't it more interesting to see how much work there is to do? I have "missing strings" and a percentage though, so it's sort of already there
22:15:55amiconnAH, it's there
22:16:12*amiconn wanted to take a look before commenting, but the page took ages to load
22:16:34rasherLlorean, Yes, I suppose this might be useful. I'm also wondering why the langfiles are not proper xml, when they're so close. It would've made my life a fair bit easier.
22:16:38bluebrothermaybe it's irc-dotted? Was quite fast for me ;-)
22:17:43Bagdertop download from during july: 1- source code 18409 times, 2 - ipod video 14887 times, 3 - ipod video 64mb 7860 times, 4 - sansa 7612 times, 5 ipod nano 7270 times
22:18:09rasherThat's rather a lot more source downloads than I'd have thought
22:18:12Bagderthen there's a huge gap to #6
22:18:29Bagderrasher: I agree
22:19:06bluebrother#1 is the source tarball? Wow.
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22:19:28Bagderonly the front page is loaded more
22:19:43Bagdereven showlog.cgi is less loaded than the source
22:20:22BagderI checked the stats during the month and it didn't look like this at all during most of hte month
22:20:43Bagderso something or someone downloaded lots of source during the last week or so
22:20:49rasherMaybe someone has a shellscript gone mad somewhere
22:20:52bluebrotherBagder: btw, got my link to new device icons?
22:21:14Bagderno, I missed that!
22:21:40bluebrotherI scaled them to a maximum of 80x80
22:22:48BagderI'll have a go at that after I've gone stared at genlang for a while
22:22:53bluebrother(check the
22:24:00peturwow, those are nice drawings
22:24:20rasherBagder, I worked around the bug for my page (which you just missed -"> ), so don't fracture your brain because of me
22:24:54amiconnLooks like the svg drawings scaled to a suitable resolution
22:24:55Bagderits still an annoying bug
22:25:01rasherThe drawins work surprisingly well in small sizes. Probably wouldn't work in icon-size though
22:25:09bluebrotherit is the svg drawings :)
22:25:23peturrasher: is that page updated live?
22:25:49rasherpetur, not completely live, no. It updates every couple of hours (3, I think I set it to)
22:27:45rasherIt could easily be, though, if it was hosted on a linux host (I'm thinking a cronjob running svn up in apps/lang/ every couple of minutes wouldn't hurt)
22:27:52Bagdernow this bug was... lame
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22:28:09*petur wonders if we really need a s.m.a.r.t. plugin
22:28:18Bagderit found the <source> in the initial comment block and based the first source comparison from there...
22:31:07Bagdersee, comments are evil!
22:31:35pixelmabluebrother: the transparency in the pngs doesn't work with all browser - just had to learn that myself a few days ago...
22:31:54Bagderyeah, like that minor browse IE...
22:32:10petura shame
22:32:12bluebrotherhmm. Burn IE! ;-)
22:32:35bluebrotherbut I had such an experience some years ago too ... transparency was displayed as pink in IE5
22:33:05bluebrotherweb design is really a pain because of that browser (I did a bit webdesign some time ago)
22:33:37bluebrotherand I discovered that IE7 finally (!) supports text-decoration:dotted
22:33:52pixelmain Rockbox pink would have been transparent, so all we need is an IE plugin *doh* ;P
22:34:10bluebrothersomeone file a port request for IE *g*
22:35:40pixelmawhy wouldn't that surprise me though? served 266 GB in july, 156 GB
22:36:39Bagderclearly someone had fun last weekend
22:37:00Bagderon we average roughly 4GB/day
22:37:05bluebrotherwhat's the usual value?
22:37:06Bagderon july 30 it was 99GB
22:37:34Bagderand on the 31st down to 45
22:37:52Bagderand now we're on 4 the last few days again
22:38:20bluebrotherwow. Someone tried to hammer the site or tried to fill up new hard disks?
22:38:56pixelmawasn't that the day, the server was down for a while (30th)?
22:39:06Bagderyeah, 136GB downloaded from one single IP address during July
22:39:07peturBagder: Zagor also on holiday I take?
22:39:24pixelmaor 31st?
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22:41:31pixelmaah no, that was the yesterday...
22:42:20rasherBagder, well at least it was just a single IP. Easy to block.
22:42:27rasherAnd detect.
22:43:03Bagderah yeah, non-stop downloading of the... source package
22:43:27rasherThat's a few mysteries solved, then.
22:44:07Bagder~14 downloads started per second...
22:44:16Bagderthat just can't have been a mistake
22:44:24peturand continued till the end?
22:45:25Bagderit went on and on and on and then it stopped
22:45:47Bagder16742 downloads
22:47:39rasherIt always confuses me when opensource projects get targeted.
22:48:32Bagderit is a strange world
22:49:33LloreanI'd assume someone who wanted to act out on a target that wouldn't be likely to do anything back.
22:50:28rasherThis is where our mob connections come in handy.
22:54:52Bagdertrying out the new pics now
22:55:23bluebrotherhmm. How about centering them?
22:55:40Bagdera good idea
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22:55:58bluebrotherthey look a bit too polished for the website style ;-)
22:56:01LloreanI do like the new pics a lot though
22:56:04LloreanFeels... cleaner or something
22:56:30*petur votes for centering too
22:56:44Bagderthere's no gigabeat pic in there
22:58:00Bagdercentered like now?
22:58:13bluebrotherhmm. I have a gigabeat picture
22:58:20bluebrotherseems I forgot that when uploading
22:58:44LloreanBagder: That looks quite nice.
22:59:23BagderI think this looks neat
22:59:41bluebrotheryeah. Much nicer.
22:59:48pixelmanot in IE though... (yet) ;)
22:59:52rasherAnd it even looks reasonable (not good, but reasonable) in IE
23:00:15Bagderbluebrother: thanks, updated
23:00:20petur840 and counting...
23:00:33bluebrotheryou're welcome :)
23:00:46Bagderwe only miss the 1g2g now. I put the 4gray there
23:01:12bluebrotheryeah, the manual misses it too. Otherwise we could even start building it.
23:01:22Bagderah right
23:01:58bluebrotherthe images aren't centered on the manual page yet.
23:02:07peturok to close because we have custom keyboard layout?
23:02:14*pixelma takes the advantage to remind amiconn about the scan
23:02:33Bagderthe manual and daily pages have more text in the boxes
23:02:46BagderI'm not sure centering that text will look as good
23:03:28amiconnrasher: Looks identical in IE to me...
23:03:39Lloreanpetur: Is the current keyboard easy to use in plugins?
23:04:00bluebrotherwell, I also somewhat dislike that the table column aren't evenly wide ...
23:04:15LloreanThough, I'd close it as 'Out of date' with a request to open a new one containing only the points modern Rockbox doesn't address (if any)
23:04:15peturI have no idea
23:05:29rasheramiconn, Using IE7? It looks slightly wrong (white edges) in IE6
23:05:45amiconnIE7, yes
23:06:38LloreanIsn't there a webpage somewhere that'll show you how your page looks in a wide variety of browsers?
23:06:41bluebrotherbetter than pink ;-)
23:06:42*Llorean recalls seeing that somewhere
23:06:55bluebrotheryes, I recall something like that.
23:07:32*amiconn has 12 browsers installed
23:07:48amiconnIE6 and lower don't handle PNG transparency, but that's known ? Doesn't seem to respond though..
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23:10:13amiconnbluebrother: Why didn't you remove the curved arrows from the wheels, btw?
23:10:26bluebrotheroh ... seems I overlooked them
23:11:23bluebrotherthe text is on its own layer, so I usually just disabled that layer.
23:11:48bluebrotherjust checked the sansa image. Those two arrows aren't part of that layer :o
23:11:53pixelmathe text was mostly added by tucoz, that's why it's on its own layer
23:12:32pixelmaI provided the arrows with the graphic - was easier than adding them later
23:13:19bluebrothermoving the arrows to the text layer isn't complicated.
23:15:31*bluebrother goes doing so
23:15:35rasherpixelma, do you need higher res images than these: and ?
23:18:49pixelmarasher: I think they'll do, thanks :) The most important part which makes work easier is that there is no angle and I can distinguish the important parts.
23:19:24pixelma(or almost no angle/perspective)
23:21:28amiconndan_a: back?
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23:22:51*amiconn thinks that the 3rd gen now deserves to be listed as 'supported' on the front page
23:23:24amiconnI don't have one myself, but with the new clock handling it should be stable, and it plays music without skipping
23:23:57amiconnAnd if my 2 patches work, it will be the first supported PP target that doesn't suffer from bad battery runtime in rockbox
23:24:25amiconnThe only thing missing is USB detection (afaik)
23:24:43amiconnBut it detects firewire since yesterday
23:26:33crashd_amiconn: how did you get decent battery in g3?
23:26:47bluebrotherBagder: updated the icons once more −− no arrows in the scrollwheel icons anymore
23:26:54bluebrotherunless I overlooked something again
23:27:07Bagderthe zip file updated too?
23:27:44amiconncrashd_: It's not in SVN for 3rd gen yet (the battery runtime improvements. Stable operation is there)
23:27:51bluebrothergrabbing the files individually must be somewhat painful ;-)
23:28:03crashd_amiconn: is it 3g specific?
23:28:15amiconnTwo key things: (1) HDD poweroff. This was already researched by ipl, and works on my 2nd gen
23:28:18Bagderbluebrother: updated
23:28:24bluebrothercool :)
23:28:29amiconn3rd gen should be the same, the others are definitely different
23:29:32amiconn(2) Disabling unused parts of the PP chip. I was lead to it by differences in register setup depending on whether I used flash diskmode or OF diskmode before
23:29:47amiconn(the 1st/2nd gen OF reboots after exiting its diskmode)
23:30:52amiconnI also discovered that the backlight on the 2nd gen is a real battery drainer, even though it's not a colour lcd...
23:31:09crashd_older tech or just ineffecient electronics ?
23:31:10amiconn100mA, more than the rest of the player draws at 80MHz
23:31:18crashd_not entirely exclusive, ofc
23:31:39bluebrotherwow, that's much
23:31:44amiconnWell, if the backlight really is what it looks like, it uses white LEDs
23:32:05amiconn..and white LEDs weren't as efficient as today back when the 2nd gen came out
23:32:43amiconnbluebrother: Indeed. Rockbox now draws just 45mA when sitting idle, HDD powered down
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23:33:13amiconnBefore my 2 changes, it drew 69mA when idle...
23:35:28rasherhow about during playback?
23:36:02amiconnDuring playback there is no stable reading of course
23:36:13 Part low_light
23:36:25amiconn...due to boosting/unboosting all the time
23:37:04amiconnBut I actually expect a longer runtime than what is stated for the OF
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23:55:27peturmarkun: around?
23:58:40Bagderbed time!

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