| 00:00:07 | advcomp2019 | because rhapsody has two modes too, Rhapsody and PlayForSure modes |
| 00:00:07 | linuxstb | sansapatcher should list the partitions... |
| 00:00:51 | salty-horse | yes, i'm looking for it in the console :) |
| 00:01:13 | salty-horse | [INFO] Scanning disk devices... |
| 00:01:13 | salty-horse | [INFO] E200 found - /dev/sda |
| 00:01:13 | salty-horse | [INFO] Reading partition table from /dev/sda |
| 00:01:13 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK salty-horse |
| 00:01:13 | salty-horse | [INFO] Sector size is 512 bytes |
| 00:01:13 | salty-horse | [INFO] Part Start Sector End Sector Size (MB) Type |
| 00:01:14 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 00:01:14 | salty-horse | [INFO] 0 600 15667199 7649.7 W95 FAT32 (0x0b) |
| 00:01:16 | salty-horse | [INFO] 1 15667200 15708159 20.0 OS/2 hidden C: drive (0x84) |
| 00:01:26 | Bagder | that's a vanilla |
| 00:01:36 | advcomp2019 | i have to leave now |
| 00:01:41 | salty-horse | i have PlayForSure according to the box |
| 00:02:14 | linuxstb | Bagder: What does the R look like? No second partition? |
| 00:02:16 | advcomp2019 | plain ones has MSC and MTP modes |
| 00:02:36 | Bagder | linuxstb: right, although I've not seen any actual dump iirc |
| 00:03:13 | daniel1234 | I am just updating fs6159. What does each hunk begin with in the patch file? |
| 00:03:14 | salty-horse | what does that mean rockbox wise? could it be using a regular firmware, and I have patched it incorrectly? |
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| 00:03:52 | Bagder | salty-horse: I think most of what you show looks like a regular, although I can't explain why your patching failed |
| 00:04:12 | salty-horse | I'll try again maybe |
| 00:05:35 | salty-horse | i didn't run it with sudo - gave no errors. |
| 00:06:13 | Bagder | you probably need to use sudo |
| 00:06:32 | salty-horse | YAY |
| 00:06:35 | salty-horse | YAYYAY |
| 00:06:36 | salty-horse | WOOHOO |
| 00:06:41 | salty-horse | owned! |
| 00:06:41 | Bagder | haha |
| 00:06:50 | Battousai | guess you don't have to return it after all |
| 00:07:07 | salty-horse | what do i do with the rhapsody coupon? :) |
| 00:07:13 | Battousai | mail it back to sandisk |
| 00:07:17 | Bagder | sell it on ebay ;-) |
| 00:07:18 | Battousai | with a note: Thanks but no thanks |
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| 00:08:27 | salty-horse | building database |
| 00:08:28 | SliMM | here is where i've started a thread on rockbox & java: http://forums.java.net/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=29303&tstart=0 |
| 00:09:03 | salty-horse | should I file a bug on sansapatcher saying everything is ok when running without sudo? |
| 00:09:18 | | Quit DerPapst ("In soviet russia the CD burns YOU!") |
| 00:10:10 | SliMM | and also, rockbox will get featured on the next podcast, that will be avaiable on monday, here: http://today.java.net/pub/ct/mobileandembedded |
| 00:10:36 | Bagder | nice! |
| 00:10:50 | salty-horse | are these skins for the regular rockbox menu? or just for the wps? |
| 00:11:15 | *** | Alert Mode OFF |
| 00:11:16 | SliMM | just for wps, for menus you have backdrops and icons |
| 00:11:18 | Soul-Slayer | Why doesn't ipodpatcher and sansapatcher just demand superuser privileges instead of continue running? |
| 00:12:23 | Bagder | I guess that is a quick way to prevent this sort of mistakes |
| 00:12:26 | SliMM | salty-horse: and fonts, but the WPSs are based on font's height, so a wrong font could mess up the wps |
| 00:12:35 | Bagder | although I guess systems can be setup to allow this without being root |
| 00:13:01 | Soul-Slayer | I think relying on that is a bit of a long shot |
| 00:13:17 | Bagder | yes, it's probably not worth it |
| 00:14:10 | salty-horse | a "make zip" i did from svn built no fonts for some reason. installing them now to test hebrew |
| 00:14:26 | Soul-Slayer | make fullzup |
| 00:14:33 | SliMM | make fullzip |
| 00:14:36 | SliMM | or make fonts |
| 00:14:41 | SliMM | i think |
| 00:14:43 | salty-horse | how full is it? |
| 00:14:44 | Soul-Slayer | I meant that... :( |
| 00:14:48 | Soul-Slayer | Build + fonts |
| 00:14:54 | Bagder | "make help" ... |
| 00:14:56 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 00:15:16 | SliMM | by 'fullzip' it means that it adds all the features |
| 00:15:29 | salty-horse | i don't want to install stuff i don't need :) |
| 00:15:45 | SliMM | and "make help" explains you all the make commands |
| 00:15:59 | SliMM | defined by rockbox devs |
| 00:16:00 | Soul-Slayer | And make pizza is not yet implemented, to my dismay. |
| 00:16:25 | bluebrother | well, I'd rather like "make coffee" :) |
| 00:16:31 | SliMM | bagder: does the jpeg viewer use a malloc function? |
| 00:16:42 | Bagder | I don't know |
| 00:16:57 | SliMM | bluebrother: i guess that's not related to java somehow |
| 00:17:00 | bluebrother | it uses the audio buffer if the file is too big |
| 00:17:09 | bluebrother | afaik |
| 00:17:15 | Bagder | it does |
| 00:17:26 | Bagder | but I don't know if it is implemented with a malloc()-like thing |
| 00:17:32 | SliMM | yeah, but does it allocate the memory dynamically? |
| 00:17:36 | Bagder | yes |
| 00:17:46 | SliMM | ok :) |
| 00:18:43 | SliMM | i've found a java porting guide |
| 00:19:08 | SliMM | but i need to study it hardly :)) |
| 00:19:29 | daniel1234 | hey on simulator how do I shut down the h300 what key on the num pad |
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| 00:21:42 | linuxstb | daniel1234: I don't think you can |
| 00:22:20 | Darien_ | hey there |
| 00:22:35 | Soul-Slayer | G'day |
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| 00:23:15 | Darien_ | does anyone know if there's anything being done with the toshiba gigabeat S other than what's written in the forum? |
| 00:23:31 | Soul-Slayer | There is a wiki page on it |
| 00:23:46 | Soul-Slayer | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatSPort It's... Concise. |
| 00:24:03 | Darien_ | oh thanks |
| 00:24:06 | Darien_ | i didn't know |
| 00:24:12 | Bagder | they do work on a branch in svn |
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| 00:24:44 | Soul-Slayer | "The LCD driver works, but I think it needs more refinement. We don't understand why it works" That line deserves a round of applause :p |
| 00:25:33 | Darien_ | indeed |
| 00:25:35 | amiconn | SliMM: The jpeg viewer allocates memory semi-dynamically via a custom memory management |
| 00:25:53 | SliMM | aha.. |
| 00:26:29 | Darien_ | oh and there's 1% progress on the button driver |
| 00:26:37 | Darien_ | sweeheet |
| 00:27:04 | salty-horse | I have an album split to two cd's. how can i play them both at once? create a new playlist and push them there? |
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| 00:27:38 | salty-horse | and why can't i create a playlist from the album context menu? :) |
| 00:27:46 | Darien_ | can't you create a folder and add all the files in there? |
| 00:28:03 | salty-horse | Darien_, I like it split |
| 00:28:07 | Darien_ | :) |
| 00:28:41 | bluebrother | create a playlist from the first folder. Then insert the next folder to that playlist. |
| 00:28:47 | Darien_ | alright, later guys |
| 00:28:56 | Darien_ | Soul-Slayer: thanks |
| 00:29:03 | Soul-Slayer | No problem. |
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| 00:30:13 | salty-horse | aren't the fonts unicode? I switched to a hebrew font and now I can't see accented latin chars |
| 00:30:29 | salty-horse | bluebrother, how do I create a playlist from a folder by standing on it? |
| 00:30:37 | bluebrother | maybe the font is incomplete? Tried unifont? |
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| 00:30:51 | bluebrother | salty-horse: use the context menu of the folder |
| 00:31:04 | markun | dandin1: they are making good progress |
| 00:31:07 | salty-horse | if i'm already playing something, it only gives me the option to add to it, not to replace it |
| 00:31:25 | markun | hm, that was for the wrong guy |
| 00:31:32 | bluebrother | I thought you want a playlist containing both? |
| 00:31:57 | markun | salty-horse: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts |
| 00:32:16 | salty-horse | yes, but i'm currently playing something else :) −− i'll fiddle with it tomorrow |
| 00:32:35 | salty-horse | thanks markun |
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| 00:33:18 | salty-horse | eek. viewing an image and i can't quit the viewer |
| 00:34:44 | bluebrother | what player? |
| 00:35:22 | salty-horse | sansa |
| 00:35:32 | salty-horse | all keys seem to resize it, or not work at all |
| 00:35:35 | markun | salty-horse: try the manual for the buttons |
| 00:35:42 | bluebrother | don't know the keys off my head, but have you tried the manual? |
| 00:35:43 | salty-horse | ah, i pressed the record button |
| 00:35:47 | salty-horse | that's really odd |
| 00:35:49 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 00:35:49 | * | bluebrother is impressed by upx |
| 00:36:11 | bluebrother | gets rbutilqt static down to 2.5MiB. Even smaller than zip... |
| 00:36:27 | salty-horse | found it http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch8.html#x11-1710008.3.2 |
| 00:38:22 | salty-horse | changing a language stops the currently playing song |
| 00:38:31 | bluebrother | yes. |
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| 01:02:56 | maddler | evening all! |
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| 01:28:59 | Chronon | Does anyone here have info regarding the download server? |
| 01:29:17 | Chronon | I.e. how does one get files uploaded to it? |
| 01:29:43 | markun | Chronon: ask Bagder about it |
| 01:29:49 | markun | what do you want to upload? |
| 01:30:34 | Chronon | I discussed with Davide-NYC about changes to the procedure for testing −− i.e. the CodecPerformanceComparison wiki page. |
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| 01:31:15 | Chronon | He mentioned that there was an agreement that we should take a test file and encode it into all available codecs and host an archive of these files on the download server for people to use for testing |
| 01:31:39 | Chronon | testing ==> test_codec plugin |
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| 01:33:07 | pixelma | it was shortly mentioned in yesterday night's log, (at almost 3 o'clock) - see linuxstb's reply |
| 01:33:35 | Chronon | pixelma: I'll look for that. |
| 01:33:37 | pixelma | DavideNYC asked the same here |
| 01:34:09 | pixelma | ah no, I misread. He asked about attaching it to the wiki page |
| 01:37:00 | Chronon | OK. It looks like Soap is working on this? |
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| 01:38:16 | pixelma | I don't know much more (just remembered reading something about it). |
| 01:38:29 | Chronon | ok, thanks. |
| 01:38:49 | pixelma | you're welcome :) |
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| 01:41:30 | pixelma | but the plan to host an "official" test file for codec performance test has been around for a while |
| 01:45:55 | Chronon | ok. I would be willing to encode the files if a suitable sample file is chosen. But perhaps it's easier for someone with upload access to the server to do it. |
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| 01:50:12 | barrywardell | is this in anyway realistic: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5188 ? |
| 01:50:14 | authumalk | hey |
| 01:50:20 | authumalk | rockbox is the shit |
| 01:51:33 | maddler | authumalk: ?! |
| 01:51:45 | maddler | what's your problem, dude? |
| 01:51:54 | krazykit | "the shit" means awesome, maddler |
| 01:52:01 | authumalk | yes sir |
| 01:52:07 | Chronon | barrywardell: I would say not in the near future. |
| 01:52:16 | maddler | krazykit: doh! :) |
| 01:52:52 | krazykit | maddler, that little article changes the meaning entirely! don't you just love slang? |
| 01:53:03 | maddler | just remember to avoid saying that to an italian :DDDDD |
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| 01:55:52 | authumalk | how many of you have made your own themes |
| 01:56:30 | maddler | authumalk: I was about to start... :) |
| 01:59:50 | authumalk | yeah i'm on the fence about it |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:09 | authumalk | right now i'm just modifing existing themes |
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| 02:02:40 | maddler | authumalk: yup... I bet it's a good start... to understand how themes work... |
| 02:02:49 | authumalk | by the way rockbox makes my ipod a lot more usable |
| 02:03:22 | maddler | I bet... :) |
| 02:03:46 | krazykit | rockbox has made it so i can't buy a non-rockbox player :-/ |
| 02:04:23 | maddler | krazykit: hhahaha... same here... I bought my e260 because of it... :) |
| 02:04:55 | maddler | and sounds like I'll never buy any non-RB player in the future |
| 02:05:07 | authumalk | this may be the wrong place to ask this but does anyone know how to change the default font size |
| 02:05:15 | authumalk | what config file do i need to edit |
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| 02:05:52 | krazykit | authumalk, you just choose a bigger font in options |
| 02:06:10 | pixelma | provided you installed the font package |
| 02:07:48 | authumalk | thank you kind rockboxers |
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| 02:10:21 | authumalk | krazy: options on the target device? |
| 02:10:44 | krazykit | authumalk, mmmhmm. |
| 02:14:31 | authumalk | well that was easy |
| 02:14:56 | authumalk | anyonw like to share their favorite podcasts |
| 02:15:48 | authumalk | or not |
| 02:16:49 | krazykit | can't say i like podcasts that much |
| 02:16:57 | krazykit | i only ever listened to savage love, though |
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| 02:21:42 | advcomp[Away] | did that one person find out if he has a r series or a non-r series |
| 02:22:09 | Soul-Slayer | Was non-R |
| 02:22:31 | advcomp[Away] | o ok i am at a friends house |
| 02:22:36 | Soul-Slayer | Wasn't working because he wasn't sudo |
| 02:22:46 | advcomp[Away] | ic |
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| 02:25:35 | advcomp[Away] | i thought i would check up from my friends house |
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| 02:41:48 | authumalk | wah |
| 02:44:29 | authumalk | does anyone know where the crossfade option is in rockbox for a 5g ipod |
| 02:45:30 | Soul-Slayer | Settings -> General -> Playback -> Crossfade.. |
| 02:48:17 | authumalk | i could of swore it wasn't in their |
| 02:49:42 | authumalk | does crossfade use a lot more processing power |
| 02:49:53 | * | maddler goes |
| 02:50:01 | Soul-Slayer | Not 'a lot', but it'll use some |
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| 03:18:30 | inmotion | quick question, how is uploading files onto rockbox done? (ipod 5.5) is it just drag & drop (copy/paste) ? |
| 03:19:27 | Soul-Slayer | Correct. |
| 03:19:40 | Soul-Slayer | Most people make a directory called 'Music' |
| 03:19:44 | inmotion | and a follow up: is there anyway to keep it auto-updated with a music folder on hard drive? |
| 03:20:12 | Soul-Slayer | Use a sync program like Mediamonkey or Winamp or similar |
| 03:21:01 | hailtothethief | my 2g mini isn't detected by the bootloader. Does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 03:21:13 | Soul-Slayer | hailtothethief: OS? |
| 03:21:21 | hailtothethief | windows and ubuntu |
| 03:21:26 | hailtothethief | neither picked it up.. |
| 03:21:38 | Soul-Slayer | Is it in Disk Mode? |
| 03:21:53 | hailtothethief | the mini? how would I check? |
| 03:22:12 | Soul-Slayer | Hold down Menu and Select to reboot, then when you see the apple logo, hold down Select and Play |
| 03:22:17 | Soul-Slayer | With it disconnected from the computer |
| 03:22:50 | Soul-Slayer | Then when it's changed to a 'Connect' screen, plug it in |
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| 03:23:07 | hailtothethief | ok. |
| 03:24:13 | hailtothethief | still not detected |
| 03:24:23 | Soul-Slayer | Does the computer see it as an external drive now? |
| 03:24:34 | hailtothethief | yes |
| 03:24:59 | Soul-Slayer | linuxstb: You made ipodpatcher, why does it occasionally not detect? :P |
| 03:25:15 | linuxstb | User error? ;) |
| 03:25:18 | Soul-Slayer | hailtothethief: Do you have other USB devices connected? |
| 03:25:22 | hailtothethief | no |
| 03:25:40 | linuxstb | hailtothethief: Are you logged in as Administrator (or root on Linux)? |
| 03:26:01 | hailtothethief | neither, I'm using sudo from command prompt |
| 03:26:40 | linuxstb | Obvious question, but it's definitely a 2nd gen mini, not 2nd gen Nano? |
| 03:26:50 | linuxstb | (people have tried that before...) |
| 03:26:55 | hailtothethief | right, definitely a mini |
| 03:27:43 | linuxstb | And it works fine - i.e. the Apple firmware runs OK? |
| 03:27:48 | hailtothethief | yes |
| 03:27:52 | Soul-Slayer | The screen on your mini currently says 'Do not disconnect'? |
| 03:28:10 | hailtothethief | correct |
| 03:28:24 | linuxstb | Can you paste the output of "fdisk -l" to http://pastebin.ca ? |
| 03:28:31 | linuxstb | (also run via sudo) |
| 03:28:45 | Soul-Slayer | Does mounting make a difference? |
| 03:28:45 | hailtothethief | k. hold |
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| 03:30:03 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: I don't think so. It doesn't need to be mounted, but I don't think it would cause a problem if it was. |
| 03:33:49 | hailtothethief | k. back. http://pastebin.ca/643790 |
| 03:34:20 | hailtothethief | sorry about the wait, I'm ferrying files back and forth with a jump drive :p |
| 03:35:14 | Soul-Slayer | Why is it only 2gb :S |
| 03:35:30 | linuxstb | hailtothethief: That looks like a perfectly normal ipod partition layout... Does "ipodpatcher /dev/sdb" display anything helpful? |
| 03:36:00 | hailtothethief | because thats the size engraved on the back of the ipod |
| 03:36:13 | Soul-Slayer | I thought they only came in 4gb and 6gb |
| 03:36:17 | Soul-Slayer | Maybe I'm mistaken. |
| 03:36:23 | Soul-Slayer | I thought Nanos were 2gb |
| 03:36:51 | hailtothethief | hm. sonuvabitch. |
| 03:37:22 | Soul-Slayer | I could be wrong, I don't know a lot about iPods. |
| 03:37:22 | linuxstb | Soul-Slayer: You may be onto something... |
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| 03:37:34 | Soul-Slayer | It -would- explain it |
| 03:37:49 | linuxstb | According to wikipedia, the minis only came in 4gb and 6gb... - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod_mini |
| 03:38:06 | hailtothethief | o jesus. I'm soooo sorry for wasting your time. |
| 03:38:11 | hailtothethief | thank you very much. |
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| 03:38:42 | Soul-Slayer | That solves that then. |
| 03:38:48 | inmotion | so wait, he really had a nano? |
| 03:38:53 | Soul-Slayer | Seems like it. |
| 03:39:03 | inmotion | heh |
| 03:39:11 | linuxstb | I should add 2nd Gen Nano detection to ipodpatcher... |
| 03:39:27 | Soul-Slayer | With a large error message :p |
| 03:39:50 | linuxstb | Exactly. |
| 03:39:50 | Soul-Slayer | If you do though careful what you write for the SVN commit comment |
| 03:39:59 | linuxstb | Still, he's not the first person to do that... |
| 03:40:02 | inmotion | btw soul-slayer, thanks for pointing me to mediamonkey, looks great |
| 03:40:04 | Soul-Slayer | If you put 'Added detection for 2nd gen nano in ipodpatcher' you're in trouble. |
| 03:40:14 | Soul-Slayer | No problems :) |
| 03:40:20 | linuxstb | "Added avoidance of 2nd gen Nano" |
| 03:40:28 | Soul-Slayer | Should do it :p |
| 03:40:35 | linuxstb | Or "rejection" |
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| 03:43:25 | * | Soul-Slayer is finally pushing himself to learn C |
| 03:44:02 | Soul-Slayer | Unfortunately the only language I know is VB6 and, well, that's pretty much ruined me ;$ |
| 03:44:25 | Soul-Slayer | I'm too used to an event driven language with poor syntax now :p |
| 03:50:17 | Soul-Slayer | Can anyone suggest a really simple plugin idea? *Goes and studies the plugin header* |
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| 03:53:21 | inmotion | wow default font is so tiny! |
| 03:53:26 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 03:55:16 | Soul-Slayer | Depends on the target :p |
| 03:55:41 | inmotion | ipod video 80gb, can barely read it :) |
| 03:56:07 | Soul-Slayer | Same on the Gigabeat, agreed :p |
| 03:56:30 | inmotion | but i can see how if i would've installed on nano or one of those older ones it would be normal size |
| 03:56:58 | Soul-Slayer | Yeah, I have a H10 and a Gigabeat... Smallest (Apart from Archos players) screen to largest screen :P |
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| 04:06:28 | advcomp2019 | i am back home now |
| 04:12:10 | inmotion | would initial scanning to create database cause my ipod to appear frozen? |
| 04:12:27 | Soul-Slayer | Shouldn't do... Should still be able to navigate |
| 04:12:38 | Soul-Slayer | But the little hdd icon will be on for a while |
| 04:12:47 | inmotion | it was counting up, i thought i could still navigate so i hit menu and then play/pause |
| 04:12:47 | Soul-Slayer | I take it from what you've said, your ipod has frozen? |
| 04:13:01 | inmotion | i walked a way for a bit, came back and now it's at the main menu |
| 04:13:12 | inmotion | but doesn't respond to scroll wheel, except backlight comes on |
| 04:13:15 | Soul-Slayer | Hold down the play button to turn it off |
| 04:13:24 | Soul-Slayer | If it doesn't turn off, tell me |
| 04:13:31 | inmotion | it shut off |
| 04:13:36 | Soul-Slayer | Tap select |
| 04:13:46 | Soul-Slayer | Should come up 'Commiting Database 1/8' |
| 04:13:52 | Soul-Slayer | If it worked |
| 04:13:58 | inmotion | yup |
| 04:14:06 | Soul-Slayer | Try now then ^^ |
| 04:14:30 | inmotion | still waiting 3/8, i wasn't sure if it was still scanning before or not though |
| 04:14:48 | inmotion | guess thats that bug people were talking about on forums maybe? where the 5.5 would freeze up |
| 04:14:48 | Soul-Slayer | Well, you'll soon find out. |
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| 04:15:53 | Soul-Slayer | I'm not sure, I just sit on IRC all day helping people with their lil problems :p |
| 04:16:20 | Soul-Slayer | And I glance over the tracker to try and find all the pointless tasks :P |
| 04:16:31 | Soul-Slayer | Or make patches for the ones which don't require much expertise |
| 04:17:04 | Soul-Slayer | Forums I don't get a chance to say anything useful because there's always someone slightly faster than me :P |
| 04:17:31 | inmotion | well idling in irc is pretty helpful, best customer service ever :D |
| 04:17:59 | inmotion | went into database and looks like everything is there, guess it worked! |
| 04:18:33 | Soul-Slayer | :) |
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| 04:25:59 | SirKnight | I have a question about compiling rockbox for a sansa e200 from source code in cygwin. Do i just state this in the open? |
| 04:26:33 | Soul-Slayer | Not sure how many people are around at the moment who use cygwin but ask your question and if anyone can answer it they will |
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| 04:28:15 | Soul-Slayer | Or don't. |
| 04:29:44 | authumalk | burn |
| 04:29:49 | authumalk | just kidding |
| 04:30:54 | Soul-Slayer | linuxstb: To make a plugin do I include plugin.h or plugin.c? =$ |
| 04:31:06 | Soul-Slayer | Fairly sure it's .h but =$ |
| 04:32:19 | linuxstb | Yes, .h |
| 04:32:24 | Soul-Slayer | Cheers. |
| 04:32:38 | linuxstb | You have about 50 other plugins to look at for inspiration... helloworld.c is a good start. |
| 04:33:07 | Soul-Slayer | That would be sensible... Thanks :p |
| 04:35:37 | Soul-Slayer | So it always starts with the " enum plugin_status plugin_start(struct plugin_api* api, void* parameter) " function? |
| 04:36:47 | Soul-Slayer | I'm guessing I used the term 'function' incorrectly, it wouldn't be the first time :p |
| 04:37:44 | Soul-Slayer | Ee wow ok this will be fun. |
| 04:39:29 | Soul-Slayer | linuxstb: Can I suggest you modify this line actually: fprintf(stderr,"[ERR] Â Read of directory failed.\n"); It'll only cause people to flood in here saying 'It keeps failing, is my ipod broken???' or similar... Maybe just '[ERR] Ipod Nano 2nd Gen unsupported.\n' |
| 04:40:50 | Soul-Slayer | Unless that's the generic error message, but it doesn't look like it is |
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| 04:46:42 | SirKnight | I have a question about compiling ssource code for my sansa e200 with cygwin. Do I ask this in the open, or direct it to someone? |
| 04:46:51 | krazykit | just ask it |
| 04:47:18 | Soul-Slayer | Open. |
| 04:47:59 | SirKnight | Ok, I am reading the walkthrough on rockbox.org, and its says to type in the cmd window "../tools/configure". this returns the error "hash: command not found" |
| 04:48:14 | SirKnight | what am i doing wrong? |
| 04:48:19 | Soul-Slayer | What folder are you in? |
| 04:49:04 | SirKnight | C/rockbox/home/guest/rockbox-20070841/build |
| 04:49:25 | Soul-Slayer | Right, and in rockbox-20070842 you have a folder called tools? |
| 04:49:26 | SirKnight | thats 20070801, sorry. |
| 04:49:43 | SirKnight | No, i was not aware that needed to exist |
| 04:49:56 | SirKnight | was that supposed to be created by the istallaion? Cause it wanted. |
| 04:50:05 | SirKnight | installation* |
| 04:50:07 | Soul-Slayer | No, it's part of the source files. |
| 04:50:19 | Soul-Slayer | Go into the source files folder |
| 04:50:29 | Soul-Slayer | Make your directory called 'build' |
| 04:50:39 | Soul-Slayer | cd into it, then type ../tools/configure |
| 04:51:16 | SirKnight | Ah, inside the 20070801 folder, there was another 20070801, and the source files were in in THAT one. I didnt go far enough deep. |
| 04:51:26 | Soul-Slayer | There's your problem then :p |
| 04:51:39 | SirKnight | Sorry, dumb question! I may be back later...... |
| 04:51:43 | SirKnight | thank you very much |
| 04:51:46 | Soul-Slayer | Good luck. |
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| 04:53:22 | inmotion | if i wanted to remove the files itunes put on my ipod, would i have to do it via itunes? or can that be accomplished thorugh rockbox |
| 04:54:18 | Soul-Slayer | I believe it's in a folder there, I can't remember the name though |
| 04:54:21 | Soul-Slayer | Ipod_something |
| 04:54:43 | inmotion | that won't mess it up? |
| 04:55:06 | inmotion | what happens to the database rockbox created from those files, will it just go away? |
| 04:55:12 | Soul-Slayer | Probably best to remove through itunes if possible. |
| 04:55:26 | Soul-Slayer | No, it'll stay until you press 'Update now' in the database settings |
| 04:55:33 | Soul-Slayer | Unless you have auto update on |
| 04:56:09 | Soul-Slayer | But it will error if you try and play them |
| 04:56:18 | inmotion | ok got it |
| 04:56:21 | inmotion | thanks again |
| 04:56:28 | Soul-Slayer | That's it, it's in the iPod_Control/Music folder |
| 04:56:43 | Soul-Slayer | All your music will be scattered around in random directories |
| 04:56:50 | Soul-Slayer | And I don't have a clue why they did that but they did |
| 04:57:30 | inmotion | i believe apple was trying to make it as hard as possible for you to take your ipod over to your buddies then dump all your music onto his computer |
| 04:57:46 | Soul-Slayer | Good point. |
| 04:57:47 | inmotion | kind of a crude anti-sharing method |
| 04:58:01 | Soul-Slayer | But still not impossible, as it keeps all the metatags |
| 04:58:43 | Soul-Slayer | A program that can scan the files, read the tags, then save them into folders by their artist and title can't be too tricky... BUt you're right, it certainly wouldn't be as simple as just copy/paste. |
| 04:59:04 | krazykit | Soul-Slayer, it's not. there are tons of programs that do that. |
| 04:59:18 | krazykit | the godfather, tag&rename, foobar2k, media monkey, etc all come to mind |
| 04:59:21 | inmotion | i tried a couple programs like that but didn't find one that i liked and worked decently |
| 04:59:42 | krazykit | assuming you're a windows person. |
| 04:59:56 | Soul-Slayer | Precisely, but it definitely adds a layer of difficulty to your life :p |
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| 05:04:43 | SirKnight | Im back |
| 05:04:46 | SirKnight | new questions |
| 05:05:05 | krazykit | ok, shoot |
| 05:05:49 | SirKnight | ok, im adding a patch onto the source files, and it seems to go well. But then it asks me "File to Patch" |
| 05:05:55 | SirKnight | what do i put? |
| 05:06:07 | krazykit | sounds like you're using the wrong stripping argument |
| 05:06:11 | krazykit | try patch -p0 |
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| 05:06:24 | SirKnight | i did. do i try -p1? |
| 05:06:34 | krazykit | sure |
| 05:06:41 | SirKnight | will do |
| 05:06:58 | krazykit | if that doesn't work, you may have to just patch it by hand |
| 05:07:21 | SirKnight | dont i try all the way up to -p5? |
| 05:07:21 | Soul-Slayer | Before you can assume that though, what folder are you in? |
| 05:07:33 | Soul-Slayer | Just the last few folders |
| 05:07:39 | Soul-Slayer | Should be the root of your source folder |
| 05:07:44 | SirKnight | mmhmm |
| 05:08:08 | Soul-Slayer | so ~/rockboxDATE/rockboxDATE/ in your case. |
| 05:08:13 | Soul-Slayer | Not in the /build folder |
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| 05:09:26 | SirKnight | right, i did that at first, but figured it ou before coming back here. Now it says "cant find file to patch. perhaps you used the wrong strip" |
| 05:09:40 | SirKnight | is this where i try p2, p3, p4, p5? |
| 05:09:55 | Soul-Slayer | Can you give me the FS number of this patch? |
| 05:10:26 | SirKnight | It is cpchan_rockbox_patch...his collected patches together |
| 05:10:34 | Soul-Slayer | Well, could you link me? |
| 05:11:29 | SirKnight | the thread where the download is at: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12583 and the actual download: http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2770&d=1185957856 |
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| 05:12:26 | SirKnight | its his compiled branch of rockbox, but i was trying to compile his patch myself, so i could have his build with other patches as well |
| 05:12:36 | Soul-Slayer | Need an account to download... Could you open the patch in a text editor and paste me the third line down? |
| 05:12:53 | krazykit | SirKnight, why not just use the patches straight from the tracker? |
| 05:13:13 | linuxstb | SirKnight: What's the exact error message patch is giving you? Does that list a filename? |
| 05:13:32 | SirKnight | the third line in the text is: |
| 05:13:32 | SirKnight | +++ rockbox-modified/apps/SOURCES2007-08-01 01:11:44.000000000 -0400 |
| 05:13:43 | SirKnight | what does that do? |
| 05:13:45 | Soul-Slayer | Should be -p1 then |
| 05:13:57 | SirKnight | i s ee |
| 05:13:59 | SirKnight | i see |
| 05:15:06 | SirKnight | the filename it seemed to stick at was rockbox-modified/manual/preamble.tex |
| 05:15:27 | SirKnight | AFAIK, the manuals arent neccessary? |
| 05:15:29 | Soul-Slayer | So you are in the folder where you have the apps, firmware, bootloader, manual etc folders are? |
| 05:15:33 | SirKnight | yes. |
| 05:15:44 | Soul-Slayer | And your .diff/.patch file is in that folder? |
| 05:15:48 | SirKnight | yes. |
| 05:15:56 | Soul-Slayer | and you're typing in something like |
| 05:16:03 | Soul-Slayer | patch -p1 < blah.diff |
| 05:16:43 | SirKnight | patch −−binary -p1 < cpchan_rockbox.patch |
| 05:17:13 | Soul-Slayer | put -p1 before −−binary |
| 05:17:19 | Soul-Slayer | And what does −−binary do :S |
| 05:17:38 | Soul-Slayer | *Has never needed it* |
| 05:18:05 | SirKnight | That is the string that was instructed to use in the "How to compile: at rockbox.org |
| 05:18:18 | krazykit | Soul-Slayer, i think it's a cygwin thing? |
| 05:18:37 | Soul-Slayer | Ah fair enough... Can you try -p1 before −−binary and see if you have any luck? |
| 05:18:40 | SirKnight | very possible |
| 05:18:43 | SirKnight | ok |
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| 05:19:17 | * | Soul-Slayer doesn't like the idea of combining patches into one as if one goes out of sync the whole thing will mess up |
| 05:19:52 | inmotion | if i just installed rockbox on ipod 5.5, is it still possible to boot normally to ipod software? |
| 05:19:55 | * | krazykit doesn't like the idea of using some massive patchset from some schmoe on a non-rockbox forum |
| 05:20:02 | krazykit | inmotion, this is covered in the manual. |
| 05:20:03 | Soul-Slayer | Flip hold on while it turns on |
| 05:20:42 | inmotion | i have the manual open but didn't see what i was looking for right away |
| 05:20:52 | Soul-Slayer | (4:17:32 AM) Soul-Slayer: Flip hold on while it turns on |
| 05:21:23 | SirKnight | Ok, "Reversed <or previously applied> patch detected! Assume -R? [n]" |
| 05:21:30 | Soul-Slayer | n |
| 05:21:36 | Soul-Slayer | Meaning it did apply :S |
| 05:21:48 | SirKnight | so i type n and it enter? |
| 05:21:58 | Soul-Slayer | Yes |
| 05:22:12 | SirKnight | "apply anyway?" im assuming i put n there too |
| 05:22:19 | Soul-Slayer | Indeed |
| 05:22:31 | Soul-Slayer | But this means it's already applied (Or atleast some of it has |
| 05:22:49 | SirKnight | now its having me do it for every single file. irritating. |
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| 05:23:09 | Soul-Slayer | Well, this implies it already worked. |
| 05:23:41 | krazykit | or that the patch is completely broken. |
| 05:23:49 | Soul-Slayer | Or one part is :p |
| 05:24:47 | SirKnight | well, there are several strings of files that arent already installed, and are installing now without the "already detected" message, so your idea to reverse binary and p1 worked |
| 05:25:06 | Soul-Slayer | Hopefully. |
| 05:25:21 | Soul-Slayer | I really recommend you apply patches individually if possible though :P |
| 05:25:37 | SirKnight | duly noted, now i understand why |
| 05:25:39 | krazykit | and only the patches you actually need |
| 05:25:50 | krazykit | i'd bet you have no need for many of them |
| 05:26:47 | SirKnight | there were about 15....10 of them i really wanted and i (wrongly)assumed it would be simpler this way... |
| 05:27:30 | Soul-Slayer | Personally I don't think that's your fault, more the person who compiled them together |
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| 05:28:49 | Soul-Slayer | And really, we don't support applying patches from anywhere but off the tracker, so try not to make a habit of it :P |
| 05:28:55 | SirKnight | now its been saying all along "hunks ignored"(the ones that were already installed) but now it said "5 out of 6 hunks failed" |
| 05:29:05 | SirKnight | ok, sorry bout that |
| 05:29:17 | Soul-Slayer | Theres the problem I mentioned |
| 05:29:22 | Soul-Slayer | Some of the patches are out of sync |
| 05:29:49 | SirKnight | how annoying!. |
| 05:30:14 | SirKnight | Ok, i guess we'll forget about it. But I have one more small question which may or may not be possible. |
| 05:30:25 | Soul-Slayer | Fire away. |
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| 05:31:09 | SirKnight | I have a sansa e200, so this question may not apply universally....but there is a splash screen that shows the rockbox logo at boot. Is it possible to edit or replace that? |
| 05:32:40 | Soul-Slayer | I *think*... You go into apps/bitmaps/native |
| 05:32:56 | Soul-Slayer | And replace the 'rockboxlogo.DIMENSIONSOFSANSALCD.bmp' with your own |
| 05:33:20 | Soul-Slayer | But I could be wrong... |
| 05:34:54 | SirKnight | ok, it wasnt named that, but i found it. Now, do i have to compile everything after i edit that one file, or can i insert that one file into my current build? Can i just compile the one file that becomes a part of, not the whole thing? im probably way off the beaten path... |
| 05:35:15 | Soul-Slayer | So in your case, rockboxlogo.176x54x16.bmp I think |
| 05:35:33 | krazykit | edit it first |
| 05:35:35 | Soul-Slayer | Replace that file with your custom one, then you need to rebuild. |
| 05:35:35 | SirKnight | correct. |
| 05:36:09 | SirKnight | hmm. ok. there is NO way just to find out what file that becomes compiled into, and compile that ONE file? |
| 05:36:32 | Soul-Slayer | Well, all you need to do is replace it and run 'make' in your build folder again |
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| 05:36:49 | Soul-Slayer | And it'll only remake what has changed. |
| 05:37:10 | Llorean | It becomes compiled into rockbox.mi4 |
| 05:37:34 | Llorean | So you kinda need to rebuild that, and you should always rebuild plugins so their version matches your main binary version, at which point you've rebuild everything anyway |
| 05:37:58 | SirKnight | well, for the sansa its simply a folder with data, titled ".rockbox" that sits in the root of the player |
| 05:38:05 | Llorean | Yes, I know |
| 05:38:09 | Llorean | And I know what's *in* that folder. |
| 05:38:15 | Soul-Slayer | All builds are like that, but the .bmp file isn't there |
| 05:38:24 | Soul-Slayer | It's compiled into your rockbox.mi4 binary file. |
| 05:38:57 | SirKnight | i have rockbox currently, and ive never seen a m14... |
| 05:39:08 | Soul-Slayer | In your .rockbox folder |
| 05:39:23 | Soul-Slayer | there is a rockbox.mi4 file, which is rockbox itself. |
| 05:39:32 | SirKnight | ach, stupid me, i see it. thanks |
| 05:40:07 | SirKnight | then whats all the other files? |
| 05:40:24 | Soul-Slayer | Plugins, database, config files |
| 05:40:46 | SirKnight | but the files im wanting to edit would be hidden in the mi4 |
| 05:40:48 | Soul-Slayer | themes |
| 05:40:51 | Soul-Slayer | Yes |
| 05:41:02 | SirKnight | ok. finally understood. I appreciate it |
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| 05:41:09 | Soul-Slayer | No problem. |
| 05:42:59 | SirKnight | what is a "bootloader"? Is it simply an application that boots the device? |
| 05:43:23 | krazykit | yep |
| 05:43:27 | krazykit | basically |
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| 05:43:37 | SirKnight | Then whats all the forum talk about editing it? |
| 05:43:56 | krazykit | it's somewhat more than that, really |
| 05:44:12 | Soul-Slayer | The bootloader is the first thing you see, and sets up the environment as it were |
| 05:45:02 | krazykit | it not only tells the device which firmware to use (rockbox or original), it also has usb mode and a method of forcing the settings to default |
| 05:45:08 | SirKnight | the rockbox logo splash screen is run by the bootloader. |
| 05:45:16 | Llorean | No |
| 05:45:26 | SirKnight | Oh, thats afterwards. |
| 05:45:26 | Llorean | It's run by the main Rockbox binary |
| 05:45:44 | Llorean | krazykit: It has no method of forcing the settings to default |
| 05:46:02 | krazykit | er, shoot, that's in the main binary innit. |
| 05:46:04 | midgey | linuxstb: i didnt have any problems with qt on mac |
| 05:46:09 | SirKnight | So what would someone accomplish by editing the bootloader? |
| 05:46:23 | Llorean | SirKnight: I don't know, it depends on what they want to do. |
| 05:46:26 | Soul-Slayer | Depends what you did to it. |
| 05:46:41 | Llorean | It's just a program like any other, in theory you could remove the bootloader entirely and put Rockbox where the bootloader is kept. |
| 05:46:53 | linuxstb | midgey: Oh well... I guess I'll try again at some point. |
| 05:46:59 | SirKnight | Well, yes, but whats possible? I dont see what you get get it do do besides....boot. |
| 05:47:08 | Soul-Slayer | Why would you want it to do more? |
| 05:47:10 | SirKnight | could get it to do* |
| 05:47:13 | Llorean | SirKnight: As I said, *anything* is possible. |
| 05:47:37 | krazykit | SirKnight, well, you could set which firmware gets used by default. you could make it so you have to win a game of chess before it'll go into a firmware, etc etc. |
| 05:47:45 | Soul-Slayer | It's exactly what it says, a bootloader, it boots the main binary... You could make it so your sansa did nothing but boot into a game of Pong if you wished. |
| 05:47:47 | SirKnight | I wouldnt, there just seems to be a lot of forum talk about it. at least i came accross some, and i didnt understand it. |
| 05:47:48 | midgey | linuxstb: well, right now rbutilqt crashes in setDevices() |
| 05:48:14 | * | midgey summons bluebrother |
| 05:48:18 | SirKnight | Oh, I see now. |
| 05:48:42 | linuxstb | midgey: Glad to see someone working on rbutil on the Mac though - it's in need of attention. |
| 05:48:48 | Soul-Slayer | The Sansa and Ipods are unique in the fact they their bootloader needs to be put on a hidden partition |
| 05:48:58 | SirKnight | that makes more sense...not playing pong of course, but see what might be possible. |
| 05:49:26 | midgey | linuxstb: i never got wxMac working right, but rbutilqt seemed to be working decent before todays changes |
| 05:49:40 | linuxstb | midgey: The opposite to me... |
| 05:49:54 | midgey | haha exactly |
| 05:50:03 | SirKnight | Haha, I like to think Im great at computers and everything about them, until |
| 05:50:14 | SirKnight | i get into stuff like this. |
| 05:51:11 | Soul-Slayer | Anyone fluent in C, have I got this right? ifdef means 'If <something> is defined', ifndef means 'If <something> is not defined', undef means 'Undefine <something>'? |
| 05:52:02 | linuxstb | Sounds right to me. |
| 05:52:27 | Soul-Slayer | What are the benefits of #define ABC over like... bool ABC = True ? |
| 05:52:45 | linuxstb | It's done once at compile-time |
| 05:53:05 | Soul-Slayer | Ahh, so it's more of a constant held in binary |
| 05:53:22 | Soul-Slayer | Rather than executed every time you run something |
| 05:53:27 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 05:53:28 | linuxstb | So if the #if is false, then the code inside isn't included in the application (the compiler never even sees it). |
| 05:53:43 | Soul-Slayer | Aha, got it |
| 05:54:06 | Soul-Slayer | Makes perfect sense, just couldn't see it... Thanks |
| 05:54:26 | Soul-Slayer | Anyhow, it's late, this can wait til tomorrow... Later even... Night all |
| 05:54:30 | SirKnight | So what are the major projects going on at Rockbox? New devices being ported to, etc |
| 05:54:41 | SirKnight | Goodnight, thank for the help! |
| 05:55:06 | Soul-Slayer | Gigabeat S, M:robe, ipod 1/2G are currently being worked on |
| 05:55:10 | Soul-Slayer | No problem |
| 05:55:15 | SirKnight | And Thank you, KrazyKit and Llorean |
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| 05:57:17 | SirKnight | When Im looking at the rockbox traker for patches, how do i know which will work for which devices? |
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| 05:58:27 | Llorean | Often it's more or less a case of "hope" both in relation to your device (if it's not mentioned in the comments) and in hoping that it's not needing re-syncing |
| 05:59:27 | SirKnight | ah |
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| 06:03:11 | SirKnight | Just a shot in the dark here....Is it possible to DEcompile an existing mi4? |
| 06:04:25 | Llorean | Yes, but you wouldn't get C source, and there's absolutely no reason to. |
| 06:04:32 | Llorean | Rockbox is open source, and we provide the source code for all revisions. |
| 06:04:50 | Llorean | Anyone who provided you with a rockbox mi4 is required, by the GPL, to provide you with a copy of the source if you ask |
| 06:06:09 | SirKnight | I know about that, but its been irritating compiling from source so far, i was curious as to whether i could decompile a mi4 that is working for me, so i know im using good files, in sync. |
| 06:06:34 | Llorean | What do you mean by decompile, exactly? |
| 06:06:38 | SirKnight | and then add to it, then recompile. |
| 06:06:41 | Llorean | If you compile the MI4, then you have the good source for it right there... |
| 06:06:47 | Llorean | When you compile it doesn't destroy the source. |
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| 06:07:59 | jjj | hey all |
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| 06:08:19 | SirKnight | I know, Im talking about ditching my current project, and working from the mi4 i currently have on my player. I know it is good files, in sync. So i was wondering if i could decompile the mi4 that is working for me into source files, so i could add to that and recompile it. |
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| 06:08:52 | jjj | can some one help me install rockbox on a 1st gen nano plz |
| 06:09:45 | SirKnight | The current source files i am working with obviously arent valid, so I was wondering if it is possible to add to an existing mi4 |
| 06:10:00 | Llorean | SirKnight: Why don't you just check which SVN revision is is, check out that revision, and re-apply the patches you used? |
| 06:10:42 | BigMac | Anyone use the wikipedia patch yet? |
| 06:10:48 | linuxstb | jjj: What's the problem? I assume you've found the install instructions in the manual? |
| 06:12:30 | SirKnight | Because I downloaded CPCHANs custom build over the daily build, whixh is working great. I wanted to customize it a bit, so i got the source files of the CPCHAN custom build, but they werent valid, even though the compiled download version works fine. So I want to decompile the working mi4 of CPCHAN that i am using, rather than get the source files that I already proved to be no good. |
| 06:12:45 | jjj | yeh im readin it am i right u stick .rockbox folder in the root and run the boot loader patch ???? |
| 06:12:49 | Llorean | SirKnight: Then ask him for valid files. |
| 06:13:07 | Llorean | SirKnight: Decompiling is a lot more complicated, and you're not going to get the same data out as you put in |
| 06:13:40 | SirKnight | alright, i will let him know and explain the errors...but can you tell me if it is strictly possible or not to decode/decompile a working mi4? |
| 06:14:33 | Llorean | As I said, it's possible, complicated, and not going to get you the same output as what was put into it. |
| 06:14:50 | SirKnight | ok. |
| 06:15:01 | Llorean | You're looking for the most difficult solution to your problem. |
| 06:15:15 | SirKnight | im trying to find a set of bmp files in it to replace. |
| 06:15:19 | Llorean | The right solution is requiring that cpchan meet his GPL obligation and provide the exact source files necessary to compile his build. |
| 06:15:56 | SirKnight | Ok, will do, thank you. Maybe i didnt download the correct set of cygwin? |
| 06:16:27 | linuxstb | jjj: Yes - just follow the steps in the manual. |
| 06:16:27 | SirKnight | there were a billion options of things to skip or keep, and i tried to follow the Walkthrough, but maybe i screwed up. |
| 06:16:44 | SirKnight | but yes, I will contact him. |
| 06:17:30 | linuxstb | SirKnight: The first thing to do is to try and compile an unmodified copy of the Rockbox source - to check you can compile OK. Then try and compile modified (patched) sources. |
| 06:18:06 | SirKnight | yeah, that would make sense wouldnt it, :p. thanks ill check that |
| 06:18:26 | SirKnight | what are database.tcd and glyphcache files? |
| 06:18:35 | BigMac | Nobody has used the wikipedia patch |
| 06:19:30 | linuxstb | I don't recall anyone mentioning it in here. Maybe it's discussed in the forums (Rockbox or maybe elsewhere like misticriver). |
| 06:20:30 | BigMac | Yah, I have searched the forum, read the flyspray, and started reading the 27 page long mistic river thread, but still have no idea how to grab thedump |
| 06:20:34 | Llorean | SirKnight: Those are files generated by Rockbox, the first having to do with the database, and the second the fonts used. |
| 06:21:02 | SirKnight | oh gotcha |
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| 06:23:42 | SirKnight | If I copy over my custom build with a daily build, how many things will be changed? |
| 06:23:58 | Llorean | I don't know what you're asking |
| 06:24:08 | Llorean | Everything that they changed will be different, of course... |
| 06:24:11 | SirKnight | I want to keep the most recent rockbox, but dont want to lose modified plugins, wps, etc. |
| 06:24:39 | Llorean | Plugins *might* work, if they're "new" (as in, not in normal Rockbox) |
| 06:24:44 | Llorean | But anything else won't work. |
| 06:24:47 | Llorean | Especially WPSes |
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| 06:25:28 | SirKnight | oh really? so if i have a wps i like from week 1, and i update rockbox in week 2, week 1s wps wont display/ |
| 06:25:49 | Llorean | If you have a WPS that works with Official Rockbox, it should always work |
| 06:26:03 | Llorean | If you have a WPS that requires the patches in the cpchan build, and install official Rockbox, it won't work any more |
| 06:26:12 | SirKnight | oh right |
| 06:26:35 | SirKnight | but the wps variables (%_something) will always be valid? |
| 06:26:49 | Llorean | Not always |
| 06:27:00 | Llorean | Sometimes the official ones get updated or changed slightly |
| 06:27:14 | SirKnight | ok |
| 06:27:35 | Llorean | But there will be a note in the changelog when those change, of course |
| 06:28:40 | SirKnight | What is "Karaoke for DirectX". I know directx, but ive never heard of this karaoke,,....and i have a .bin file with description "karaoke for DirectX" in my rockbox folder |
| 06:29:05 | Llorean | That's not one of our files, then. |
| 06:29:12 | Llorean | DirectX has nothing to do with Rockbox |
| 06:29:33 | Llorean | Please, don't ask questions about things unless you're using an official version, we can't be expected to know what somebody else has added or changed. |
| 06:29:38 | SirKnight | well, its ".bin" file....maybe windows is making stupid file associations. |
| 06:29:44 | hcs | possibly |
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| 06:30:02 | Llorean | The only .bin file Rockbox has, afaik, is nvram.bin |
| 06:30:11 | SirKnight | thats it. |
| 06:30:34 | Llorean | That's specific things to remember across reboots, such as the resume position |
| 06:30:54 | SirKnight | it was just dumb windows making associations then. |
| 06:34:05 | SirKnight | Does RB use the pictures or photos folder for graphics? |
| 06:34:14 | SirKnight | or does it matter? |
| 06:34:26 | Rocco | hi, i was wondering about the sansa e200r series, does anyone here know anything about them? |
| 06:34:36 | Llorean | What do you mean "for graphics"? |
| 06:34:44 | Rocco | i couldnt find much on the forums about it |
| 06:34:45 | Llorean | Rocco: Depends on what you're going to ask. |
| 06:34:59 | Llorean | The forums, for example, say very explicitly clearly why there's not a port yet. |
| 06:35:10 | Rocco | well i saw a post saying its possible to flash it to the e200 series firmware |
| 06:35:25 | Rocco | but it never went into detail, was that a dead end? |
| 06:35:26 | Llorean | Oh, where did you see this post? |
| 06:35:38 | Llorean | As far as I know, there should be nothing more than saying it *might* be possible. |
| 06:35:42 | Llorean | Or possible "should be" |
| 06:35:51 | SirKnight | Well, when you point your player to open pictures...i think the OF looked for jpgs in "pictures" but rockbox looks for them in "photos" |
| 06:35:56 | SirKnight | or is it the other way? |
| 06:36:06 | Rocco | yeah, thats basically it. but it never was continued, it just kinda got pushed off the topic |
| 06:36:08 | Llorean | SirKnight: Rockbox doesn't have a "point your player to open pictures" |
| 06:36:12 | Llorean | You just browse to a file and click on it. |
| 06:36:29 | Llorean | Rocco: Nobody found a way to make it work, simple as that |
| 06:37:06 | Rocco | ok... so its still a myster on this device? |
| 06:37:14 | Llorean | That's what the forum thread says, yes... |
| 06:37:46 | Rocco | ok, and do you know if there are any hardware differences in the r and non-r versions? |
| 06:37:59 | SirKnight | This must be a custom build dependent thing again. I apologize, im not familiar with the differences between it and the main build. Thank you for your help with everyting though. youve been surprisingly polite to an irritating newbie. |
| 06:38:23 | Llorean | Rocco: Nobody has confirmed any yet, but I don't think anyone has investigated thoroughly |
| 06:39:13 | Llorean | SirKnight: We are somewhat well known for having "halfway decent" support. But I do strongly recommend trying an official build before asking questions, since we do require any questions you ask be about official ones. |
| 06:40:21 | SirKnight | Definitely. |
| 06:40:50 | Rocco | ok, well considering the r series is meant to be used with rhapsody. is tehre any kind of drm management build into the hardware thats not on the other version |
| 06:41:01 | Rocco | and now that i read that over it didnt make much sense.. its been long day.. |
| 06:41:39 | SirKnight | Rocco: this is a quote from a forum post at "anythingbutipod" The encyption on the firmware is different from that of the standard model. |
| 06:41:39 | SirKnight | so while progress is being made it is slow as the major effort is to get a version for the standard one realeased. However IF the ecycrption is cracked porting the e200 rockbox work to the e200r series should be a doddle as they are on the whole identical. |
| 06:42:13 | Llorean | SirKnight: It's not that the major effort is for the standard one. |
| 06:42:18 | Rocco | so the rhapsody encryption is software, not hardware |
| 06:42:23 | Rocco | thanks... |
| 06:42:23 | Llorean | It's that nobody who owns an R-series is doing much work on it. |
| 06:42:35 | Llorean | Rocco: How would you encrypt hardware? |
| 06:42:58 | Rocco | im not that good at this |
| 06:43:11 | Rocco | but i believe the zune uses hardware with the processor it has |
| 06:43:13 | SirKnight | all of what i posted was a quote |
| 06:43:36 | SirKnight | I didnt mean to split it up. |
| 06:44:14 | SirKnight | Rocco: go here, youll find everything youre asking for...http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10730&highlight=e200r |
| 06:45:03 | Rocco | ok.. thanks |
| 06:45:20 | Rocco | wait, didnt sansa support this "mod" |
| 06:45:31 | Rocco | so why not just ask them for the r series |
| 06:45:36 | Rocco | help |
| 06:45:38 | SirKnight | I read somewhere that they asked rockbox to do it. |
| 06:46:16 | Llorean | They initially contacted Rockbox, but they've not provided any real help |
| 06:46:20 | SirKnight | AFAIK the e200r wont accept anything unsigned in the bootloader.. |
| 06:46:40 | SirKnight | but the e200 will |
| 06:46:40 | Llorean | They didn't even give us the ability to sign our code so that we could load it, which would be the absolute most basic help they could give us beyond their donation of hardware. |
| 06:47:19 | Rocco | has anyone contacted them and simply asked? |
| 06:47:33 | Rocco | what encryption it has or security that the e200 doesnt |
| 06:47:44 | Llorean | Rocco: Please, read through the whole e200R thread in our fourms |
| 06:47:45 | Llorean | forums |
| 06:48:08 | Bagder | Rocco: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9263 |
| 06:48:32 | Bagder | and the encryption is not like in the zune |
| 06:48:38 | Bagder | where the mcu itself has the magic |
| 06:48:53 | Bagder | but this is tricky enough |
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| 06:53:05 | SirKnight | Ooooooh, one more question before i go to bed....should i get sana updates? |
| 06:53:10 | SirKnight | sansa* |
| 06:53:39 | SirKnight | firmware updates for my OF? |
| 06:54:16 | Llorean | If you use it, and really want to. There's no reason to if you're just using Rockbox, and it'll probably require reinstalling the bootloader |
| 06:54:31 | SirKnight | ah i see, thats a no for me then. |
| 06:55:42 | SirKnight | Goodnight all, thank you for great support and a wonderful rockbox |
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| 08:31:17 | ddalton | I am updating fs6159 and could someone tell me where I can look at the talk_id functions. |
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| 08:33:15 | ddalton | How to I test the shut down messages on simulator? So is there a stop button? What key is it? |
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| 08:39:00 | markun | ddalton: I think it's not implemented for the sim |
| 08:39:34 | daurn | is there an open source fixed point wma decoder? |
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| 08:41:27 | Llorean | daurn: The one in Rockbox... |
| 08:42:00 | webguest94 | How can you tell if an 80GB ipod has a 32mb or 64mb buffer? |
| 08:42:11 | Llorean | If it's 80gb, it's 64mb |
| 08:42:18 | webguest94 | cool, thanks |
| 08:42:22 | daurn | Llorean: care to point it to me where it is in the source? |
| 08:42:33 | Llorean | daurn: In the codecs folder? |
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| 08:43:01 | Llorean | Where we keep all the codecs. libwma |
| 08:43:44 | ddalton | So will I need to build for my h300 and then test? |
| 08:44:30 | daurn | ooo, thanks Llorean |
| 08:44:39 | JdGordon | ddalton: the player sim has shutdown iirc |
| 08:45:25 | daurn | Llorean: how complete is it? |
| 08:45:40 | Llorean | daurn: What exactly do you mean by that? |
| 08:45:43 | JdGordon | daurn: time to buy a rockbox-able mp3 player :p |
| 08:46:07 | Falen | Are there any documentation on the read_bmp_file() function? |
| 08:46:08 | daurn | does the codec work without bugs? |
| 08:46:15 | daurn | JdGordon: howso? |
| 08:46:17 | Llorean | It plays WMA files except very low bitrate ones as iiuc one of the techniques for those isn't implemented yet (and doesn't work well in the ffmpeg implementation) |
| 08:46:21 | ddalton | to create a patch do I type diff -u -r olddir newdir >patchname.diff |
| 08:46:33 | JdGordon | daurn: you wouldnt need to ask these q's if you had one :D |
| 08:46:42 | JdGordon | Falen: only whats in the code |
| 08:47:13 | JdGordon | ddalton: assuming you pulled the source from svn then use "svn diff > file.patch" |
| 08:47:14 | Llorean | daurn: I don't think *anything* works completely without bugs, but it should play the majority of WMA files except very low bitrate ones fine. Or at least WMAv2 (if I understand correctly) |
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| 08:47:52 | daurn | good enough |
| 08:48:14 | daurn | does it work on wma lossless as well?> |
| 08:48:18 | Llorean | No |
| 08:48:36 | Llorean | I was told there's not a known open source wma lossless implementation at all. |
| 08:48:41 | Llorean | Why even use WMA lossless? |
| 08:48:49 | daurn | i don't |
| 08:48:49 | Llorean | Is there somewhere that sells files in that format? |
| 08:48:52 | daurn | just wondering |
| 08:49:00 | markun | daurn: are you planning to use the codec for some other project? |
| 08:49:12 | daurn | markun: maybe |
| 08:49:20 | markun | what are you working on? |
| 08:49:22 | Falen | Are there any examples or anything? I'm pretty stuck |
| 08:49:38 | Falen | I just need to load a single image |
| 08:49:39 | daurn | markun: nothing at the moment, just wondering/pondering |
| 08:49:42 | ddalton | How can I check if misc.c which I have edited is unix? |
| 08:49:48 | Llorean | Falen: Really, all you've got is what's in the source. Simply look for places where it's used. |
| 08:50:02 | Llorean | ddalton: You mean the line endings? |
| 08:50:32 | markun | Falen: apps/gui/backdrop.c (for example) |
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| 08:51:30 | markun | Falen: 'grep' is your friend (or whatever you use to search through files) |
| 08:52:07 | daurn | egrep |
| 08:52:08 | daurn | :P |
| 08:52:22 | Falen | Found it! You mean the load_remote_backdrop function? |
| 08:53:02 | markun | for example |
| 08:54:20 | ddalton | Yes I mean the line endings about the unix thing. |
| 08:56:17 | Llorean | ddalton: If your diffs are changing every line in the file, rather than just the lines you changed, you've got a problem. The best method is to simply know your tools, and whether they have an option for line endings or not. |
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| 08:58:30 | ddalton | Well I set it to unix and I still get 3700 lines in my patch I only changed about 10 lines and the orridginal patch had 1700 lines. Do you know of a good text editor for cygwin or windows that I could use. I just want to convert those files to unix and then hopefully I can make this patch. |
| 08:59:12 | Llorean | Please stop saying "convert those files to unix" |
| 08:59:16 | Llorean | That statement on its own makes no sense. |
| 08:59:33 | Llorean | Unix is an operating system. |
| 08:59:35 | markun | Llorean: but in some editors it looks like that |
| 08:59:48 | Llorean | In some editors it'll refer to "Line ending style" as "Unix" |
| 08:59:48 | markun | Llorean: "File format: DOS, UNIX" |
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| 09:00:05 | ddalton | Ok then so how do I change the files to unix line endings? is that better? |
| 09:00:10 | Llorean | But if he ever wants to talk to someone, he needs to say "Unix format" or "Unix style line endings" as if he says "Convert the files to Unix" he'll just confuse the heck outta someone |
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| 09:00:25 | Llorean | ddalton: See if your cygwin has the dos2unix command |
| 09:00:28 | * | Llorean thinks that's it. |
| 09:00:39 | ddalton | How can I check? |
| 09:00:46 | Llorean | Try to run it and see what it says. |
| 09:01:06 | markun | ddalton: which editor do you use? |
| 09:01:51 | ddalton | I use text pal as my editer. a guy from a mailing list I am on wrote it. |
| 09:02:12 | ddalton | how do I run it? |
| 09:02:13 | markun | you could try notepad2 |
| 09:02:34 | markun | ddalton: the same way you run anything in cygwin (which I have never used) |
| 09:02:42 | nerochiaro | hi people, i need to ask some information about the WMA decoder in rockbox. am i in the right place ? |
| 09:02:45 | Llorean | ddalton: just type dos2unix at the cygwin command prompt. |
| 09:02:50 | markun | nerochiaro: sure |
| 09:03:19 | nerochiaro | well, looking at the sources, it seems to be taken from ffmpeg. is this true ? |
| 09:03:23 | markun | yes |
| 09:03:44 | nerochiaro | is that kept in sync from time to time, or is it just an old snapshot ? |
| 09:03:48 | Bagder | based on that code at least |
| 09:04:06 | Llorean | nerochiaro: It's new enough that there's not really "keeping in sync" to be done yet |
| 09:04:25 | Bagder | remember that this is fixed-point WMA |
| 09:04:33 | Bagder | ffmpeg is not, afair |
| 09:05:07 | Llorean | Bagder: I assume we're going to be submitting ours back to them once it's able to decode the same files theirs is / is equivalent? |
| 09:05:08 | markun | nerochiaro: saratoga is the guy working on it. First it was based on an old snapshot, but he has been porting back some recent changes from ffmpeg |
| 09:05:17 | ddalton | So can I convert files to unix line endings with this command. How would I convert the rockbox source? |
| 09:05:18 | Bagder | Llorean: I'm quite sure of that too |
| 09:05:26 | ddalton | to unix line endings. |
| 09:05:35 | Llorean | ddalton: Any files you've changed, "dos2unix filename" |
| 09:05:37 | markun | nerochiaro: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WMA |
| 09:06:09 | ddalton | K I will give that a go |
| 09:06:22 | nerochiaro | is ARM a supported target ? |
| 09:06:27 | markun | yes |
| 09:06:45 | Falen | I'm stuck again. |
| 09:06:46 | nerochiaro | does it use any of the armv4l optimizations that the ffmpeg decoder seems to use ? |
| 09:06:51 | Falen | int read_bmp_file(CONST_IMAGE_FILE, &image, sizeof(something), FORMAT_NATIVE) |
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| 09:07:30 | Bagder | nerochiaro: there's some (arm) opts in there, but I'm sure more can be made |
| 09:07:49 | Falen | The max size is confusing me, not sure what it asks for |
| 09:09:15 | nerochiaro | Bagder: well, i think i'll give this decoder a shot by porting as an xmms2 plugin and try using it on the Neuros OSD then. since it's integer based it should be better performing than the one straight from ffmpeg anyway, i suppose |
| 09:09:33 | Bagder | indeed |
| 09:09:41 | Bagder | and you have a much speedier ARM than we do |
| 09:09:50 | Bagder | (except for the gigabeat) |
| 09:10:06 | Llorean | How fast is the Neuros OSD? |
| 09:10:16 | nerochiaro | Llorean: 200Mhz |
| 09:10:32 | Llorean | Ah, yeah I'd imagine it should be realtime |
| 09:10:51 | markun | nerochiaro: the 300MHz ARM9 based Gigabeat decodes 320kbit/s WMA at 500% real-time with our code |
| 09:11:00 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CodecPerformanceComparison |
| 09:11:55 | nerochiaro | sounds great. even 3x realtime would be enough i think |
| 09:12:11 | ddalton | Looks like the dos2unix command did the trick thanks. |
| 09:12:39 | markun | ddalton: so you have a bug to report to the guy who wrote your editor.. |
| 09:12:41 | Bagder | nerochiaro: indeed, especially in your case when you're not running on battery |
| 09:12:58 | Llorean | You need 3x realtime? |
| 09:13:00 | nerochiaro | Bagder: nope, no power drain concerns |
| 09:13:44 | nerochiaro | Llorean: well, the CPU isn't going to be used only for audio playback at times, so it helps for it to be somewhat faster than realtime. i said 3x just as a guess estimate |
| 09:13:55 | nerochiaro | Llorean: but the faster the better |
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| 09:14:08 | Llorean | Yeah, faster is always better, I was just startled at the "needs 3x" number. |
| 09:14:24 | Llorean | That suggests to me you can only spare 1/3 of the processor time under the worst conditions. |
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| 09:15:11 | nerochiaro | Llorean: it was just a guess. i'm actually not sure what that number would be to be perfectly honest |
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| 09:16:05 | nerochiaro | is saratoga around here often ? |
| 09:16:25 | Bagder | yes |
| 09:16:38 | Bagder | and he's around in the forum too |
| 09:16:47 | nerochiaro | Bagder: know in which time zone he's based ? |
| 09:17:10 | nerochiaro | he/she/* |
| 09:17:12 | nerochiaro | ;) |
| 09:17:20 | Bagder | I think he's US based, isn't it? |
| 09:17:27 | Bagder | it! I mean he |
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| 09:17:49 | nerochiaro | well, ok. i'll keep an eye out |
| 09:17:56 | Bagder | the WMA codec is his gsoc project |
| 09:18:11 | nerochiaro | thanks for all the help folks. i'll let you all know how this goes |
| 09:21:26 | markun | good luck |
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| 09:24:27 | nerochiaro | markun: thanks |
| 09:24:36 | nerochiaro | Bagder: this year's SoC project ? |
| 09:25:37 | * | petur wonders if a rockbox mentor will go to google gsoc mentor summit... |
| 09:26:33 | Bagder | nerochiaro: yes |
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| 10:24:50 | pondlife | amiconn: Did the extra "OF bits" you discovered help with power consumption? Or is it too early to say? |
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| 10:25:29 | amiconn | pondlife: Didn't measure yet. Need to cut one battery wire and solder some longer ones in to hook up my multimeter |
| 10:26:06 | amiconn | I am about to do that (no big risk since I have 2 2nd gen iPods now) |
| 10:27:21 | amiconn | If this works out nicely, I'll do that with at least one of my PP502x devices as well |
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| 10:28:08 | * | amiconn also wants to make the serial i/f usable, so remote support can be added |
| 10:29:33 | * | amiconn has a suspicion what to look for on PP502x |
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| 10:30:34 | * | pondlife wants to convert a friend with an iPod Video to Rockbox - said friend tried it a while back for 3 days and went back to OF because of battery life... |
| 10:32:42 | GodEater_ | pondlife: were they some sort of pansy ? |
| 10:34:38 | amiconn | Is there a small program which allows to put music on iPods so the OF recognises it? |
| 10:34:43 | amiconn | (for windows) |
| 10:35:07 | amiconn | I want to put some songs on it for the OF to play while doing current measurements |
| 10:35:16 | amiconn | And no, I won't install iTunes. Never. |
| 10:37:01 | Soul-Slayer | http://www.ephpod.com/ Possibly, I can't verify that, it's the result of a web search |
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| 10:39:32 | pondlife | GodEater_: Not particularly, quite a hacker normally, but he reckoned he really needed 10 hours between charges when travelling. |
| 10:39:39 | markun | amiconn: do you have an idea where to start looking for the battery draining problem? |
| 10:40:02 | amiconn | rrrrr |
| 10:40:15 | amiconn | This other 2nd gen doesn't want to connect to the PC :( |
| 10:41:04 | * | pondlife admires petur's FR closing frenzy |
| 10:41:09 | amiconn | Hmm, looks I need to reboot |
| 10:42:02 | * | petur bows |
| 10:42:52 | jhMikeS | petur: /* the list below must match enum audio_sources in audio.h */ ?? you can use [AUDIO_SRC_MIC] = "R_MIC_" to make sure they do. |
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| 10:44:24 | petur | jhMikeS: I just put that comment there to make sure that whoever modifies something there knows of the dependency... in case somebody would swap enums aound... |
| 10:44:37 | petur | *around |
| 10:45:07 | petur | oh I get it |
| 10:45:10 | jhMikeS | petur: there's no dependency using that syntax. it's something I actually went to pains to not have. |
| 10:45:17 | petur | yes, got that |
| 10:45:38 | petur | feel free to fix it |
| 10:45:56 | jhMikeS | There's also HAVE_MIC_IN_(...) which is a little cleaner than the #ifdef stuff. |
| 10:45:59 | petur | nice idea, hadn't come to my mind to do it that way |
| 10:46:30 | petur | I know but I don't like the look of it that much |
| 10:47:43 | jhMikeS | It was mostly a defense against bugs created out of order dependency given there's such a number of places where things must stay synced up. |
| 10:48:13 | petur | good idea |
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| 10:50:57 | * | pondlife waves the langv2 stick optimistically |
| 10:51:29 | jhMikeS | the recsource menu is one place where things are very wrong though. |
| 10:51:52 | jhMikeS | but it's my bad :) |
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| 10:52:26 | * | pondlife doesn't understand the phrase "my bad". My bad what? |
| 10:53:16 | jhMikeS | something I did that is not right |
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| 10:53:41 | Bagder | isn't that just "my fault" said in a bad english way? |
| 10:53:52 | pondlife | Ah, I get it.. |
| 10:54:00 | jhMikeS | Bagder: yes |
| 10:54:25 | jhMikeS | common around this neck of the woods :) |
| 10:54:39 | pondlife | But not here :) |
| 10:55:24 | * | markun thought it was a pretty common expression |
| 10:55:26 | * | jhMikeS should never attempt to write a dictionary |
| 10:55:41 | * | pondlife neither |
| 10:55:47 | pondlife | Well, it would be a short book |
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| 10:56:40 | * | jhMikeS 's would be a long book, but few actual definitions |
| 10:59:06 | jhMikeS | It occurs to me multithreaded codecs of any sort are completely unswappable with voice. :( |
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| 11:02:18 | safetydan | Anyone object to 7632 going in? |
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| 11:03:48 | jhMikeS | 7432? |
| 11:03:50 | Soul-Slayer | Doesn't exist apparently? |
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| 11:04:31 | XavierGr | Slasheri: Ping |
| 11:05:00 | safetydan | Whoops. Typo. FS #7362 |
| 11:05:15 | safetydan | basically adding support for yet another tag to the database |
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| 11:09:20 | leftright | does/can the database display, "Artist - Album" |
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| 11:10:55 | safetydan | leftright, not quite sure what you're after. Most of the displayed data from the database is customisable with the tagnavi_custom.config |
| 11:11:38 | leftright | just wonering if the database can display the music in a "Artist - Album" format |
| 11:12:43 | safetydan | leftright, yes. See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataBase for details on how to customise the view. |
| 11:13:20 | leftright | ah, thank you kind sir, maybe I might give up file tree, maybe... |
| 11:14:10 | pondlife | safetydan: Nope, that should go in, IMHO |
| 11:14:25 | safetydan | pondlife, cool. I'm looking at that and the disc number patch. |
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| 11:16:21 | pondlife | Maybe the binsize on Archos needs keeping an eye on.... |
| 11:17:27 | safetydan | Well that's always an issue, but there's only so much that can be done. |
| 11:23:01 | ddalton | hey when compiling a fresh rockbox source are there usually warnings |
| 11:23:11 | safetydan | ddalton, no there should be no warnings |
| 11:24:07 | ddalton | btrying to fix up p6159 so do I need to make sure there are no compile warnings. |
| 11:26:49 | pondlife | ddalton: Yes, but maybe ensure you can cleanly compile the unpatched source first? |
| 11:27:03 | pondlife | Then you know any warnings are due to the patch. |
| 11:27:10 | pondlife | Not your build environment. |
| 11:27:24 | amiconn | hmpf. Seems I made a mistake a few days ago... |
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| 11:27:52 | webguest24 | how can i play videos with rockbox in ipod video ? |
| 11:27:59 | Soul-Slayer | Use the OF> |
| 11:28:06 | webguest24 | which encoder/converter i need to use? |
| 11:28:17 | Soul-Slayer | It won't be as good as the OF. |
| 11:28:59 | ddalton | Is there anything wrong with this code? if (battery_level() > 10) |
| 11:29:05 | webguest24 | hm, any pointers on the program to use to convert? |
| 11:29:13 | pixelma | read PluginMpegplayer in the wiki |
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| 11:29:36 | ddalton | if (battery_level() > 10) |
| 11:29:50 | pondlife | amiconn: Without documentation, mistakes are likely, no? |
| 11:30:30 | ddalton | Sorry my irc client didn't put the code in but if I have the line |
| 11:30:31 | ddalton | gui_syncsplash(0, "%s %s", |
| 11:30:32 | amiconn | Yeah, and I solved the problem, recalling something I saw in the OF disassembly :) |
| 11:30:45 | Soul-Slayer | I need to go out... Does anyone know where 'or_b', 'and_b', 'or_l' and 'and_l' get declared? They are used in fmradio.c and rmradio_i2c.c and I can't see where they ever get included. If anyone can help and tell me so I have something interesting to read when I return :p... |
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| 11:31:55 | ddalton | Ok basically what I am trying to ask where should the talk_id functions go for a splash screen message? |
| 11:31:58 | * | amiconn now has 2 rockboxed 2nd gens :) |
| 11:33:53 | * | linuxstb wonders who will have the third... |
| 11:33:58 | linuxstb | ;) |
| 11:34:34 | nerochiaro | quick question: is there a way to get the full source snapshot for a certain day, without using SVN ? something like http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 but for a specific date |
| 11:34:42 | preglow | no first gens yet? |
| 11:35:05 | GodEater_ | nerochiaro: not to my knowledge. |
| 11:35:24 | pondlife | svn is worth having. |
| 11:35:24 | amiconn | preglow: No, unfortunately. One of the 2nd gens was sold as a 1st gen on ebay... |
| 11:35:43 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: I made some modifications to my patch last night after your comments. If you have time, could you see it's more to your taste now ? |
| 11:35:47 | amiconn | But I am watching a defective one now. Most probably just a hdd problem |
| 11:35:52 | liberty_ | Today I found the current build has a "iaudiom5 maps" for my iaudio M5. What is that? |
| 11:35:58 | linuxstb | nerochiaro: Go to the "archived builds" page (linked at the top of the Current Builds page). |
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| 11:36:53 | nerochiaro | linuxstb: thanks, exactly what i needed |
| 11:38:12 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Looking good ;) |
| 11:38:19 | liberty_ | I didn't find any clue in changelogs. What has changed? |
| 11:38:58 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: I didn't appear to break anything moving it all around like that either. Which amazed me :) |
| 11:38:59 | linuxstb | liberty_: Debugging information - only of interest to developers so you can ignore it (unless you're developing...) |
| 11:39:12 | barrywardell | any objections to closing http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5188 ? I can't see it being very worthwhile |
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| 11:39:25 | GodEater_ | I still have no idea what the problem is on the sansa though. |
| 11:39:25 | liberty_ | GodEater_:THanks |
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| 11:39:47 | liberty_ | linuxstb:THanks. |
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| 11:40:10 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Is it just one Sansa user reporting issues? |
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| 11:40:30 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: yes - but to be fair, I only appear to have had two testers |
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| 11:40:38 | GodEater_ | and only one who says he owns a sansa |
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| 11:40:58 | GodEater_ | I wondered if it was because of the <microSD1> stuff in his selection |
| 11:41:08 | linuxstb | GodEater_: One difference is that the Sansa doesn't have dircache - so maybe there are subtle differences in the two sets of functions. |
| 11:41:09 | GodEater_ | but I guess our set_current_file() routine should handle that? |
| 11:41:27 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: that's also something I considered - but I thought dircache was now transparent for plugins ? |
| 11:41:49 | linuxstb | You could try disabling dircache in the config-gigabeat.h file (e.g.) and see you get the same problem. |
| 11:41:58 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Yes, it should be... |
| 11:42:11 | GodEater_ | that's a good idea - I'll try that |
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| 11:45:28 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: er. is dircache even configured in that file? I can't see it.... |
| 11:46:21 | pondlife | Hmm, is mpegplayer supposed to work on H340? I thought it used to... |
| 11:46:29 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Maybe not... |
| 11:46:34 | pondlife | Or maybe I'm thinking of the sim.. :/ |
| 11:46:40 | GodEater_ | or does disabling it mean I need to add something that's not there |
| 11:46:44 | linuxstb | pondlife: It should work on both... |
| 11:46:55 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Search for HAVE_DIRCACHE (IIRC) |
| 11:47:01 | pondlife | I just get large blocks of colour on the target. |
| 11:47:11 | pondlife | This is with elephants dream.. |
| 11:47:33 | GodEater_ | it only appears in config.h |
| 11:47:42 | GodEater_ | I think I'll have to #undef it |
| 11:47:47 | GodEater_ | or however you do that |
| 11:47:56 | linuxstb | Just delete it in config.h... |
| 11:48:19 | linuxstb | Or add &!defined(TOSHIBA_GIGABEAT_F) |
| 11:49:22 | ddalton | How does talk_id work? |
| 11:49:23 | linuxstb | ^ && |
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| 11:51:11 | Ishi`` | hum for ipod nano only bug now ? ( apple os 1.3.1 ) prefetch abort etc .... ( after 07/25/07 ) Thanks for respons. |
| 11:51:31 | pondlife | Wooh, a trippy green scrolling cloud of blobs...but the audio plays ok. |
| 11:53:12 | The-Compiler | There is a bug in supedom. Should i make a bugreport? |
| 11:53:17 | The-Compiler | *superdom |
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| 11:53:56 | linuxstb | The-Compiler: Yes, or post a patch... |
| 11:54:12 | Ishi`` | no i play mp3 = bug ( prefetech abort ) mpeg play = prefetech abort etc .... |
| 11:54:20 | petur | pondlife: I have two versions of the test movie playing fine here |
| 11:54:22 | The-Compiler | I can't code C :) |
| 11:54:55 | pondlife | petur: On the H300 device? |
| 11:54:58 | petur | yes |
| 11:55:08 | pondlife | Mine is elephantsdream-q6-224x176-469kbps.mpg |
| 11:55:29 | markun | Ishi``: maybe you can try some older builds until you find out when the bug was introduced |
| 11:55:47 | petur | pondlife: same here |
| 11:55:59 | linuxstb | markun: I think the issue is known - the recent CPU speed changes. |
| 11:56:02 | petur | same file I mean |
| 11:56:03 | pondlife | Ishi: r14004 seems to cause this. |
| 11:56:09 | pondlife | petur: Well, same name... |
| 11:56:17 | petur | ok ok ok |
| 11:56:20 | petur | :p |
| 11:56:22 | Ishi`` | ok |
| 11:56:22 | pondlife | petur: You using SVN? |
| 11:56:28 | markun | linuxstb: is anyone trying to fix it? |
| 11:56:43 | linuxstb | I think it's on amiconn's long list... |
| 11:56:57 | pondlife | I find the SVN sim displays the video, but not at the correct speed. Without limiting it's far too fast, but with limiting it's very slow. |
| 11:57:01 | linuxstb | markun: It only seems to happen with some Nanos. |
| 11:57:06 | petur | my own build but synced with svn yesterday evening and no patches |
| 11:57:30 | ddalton | I am a blind user and I am finding cygwin very slow and my one doesn't seem to be working properly. I got errors on files I didn't even touch. So does anyone know what I should go for should I use the vmware image or will I need something else? |
| 11:57:54 | pondlife | Cygwin is slow but works fine for me. |
| 11:58:35 | XavierGr | pfff flashing a custom bootloader is stressing.... |
| 11:58:35 | * | petur installed linux on his laptop and is a happy man |
| 11:58:50 | Ishi`` | markun : bug introduced 26/07/07 :] |
| 11:58:54 | XavierGr | I am glad that at least I can boot to OF and reflash a new bootloader |
| 11:59:04 | ddalton | Ok so I will just see if this build compiles otherwise it is my setup that is causing problems. Why would cygwin give me errors on files I didn't touch. |
| 11:59:23 | bluebrother | Bagder: I created some small icons for the players from the manual svg files |
| 11:59:30 | pondlife | petur: Nope, still gives me blocks |
| 11:59:38 | pondlife | That's with the current SVN. |
| 11:59:42 | bluebrother | you can find them here (ad pngs including transparency): http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/devices/ |
| 11:59:44 | amiconn | Ishi``: Could you go into Debug->View HW Info and tell me the PP version? Just to make sure... |
| 11:59:52 | petur | pondlife: sorry, no time to try now |
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| 12:00:20 | pondlife | OK, I'll FS it. |
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| 12:00:53 | petur | OK, I'll close it 'works for me' |
| 12:00:56 | nerochiaro | what's a good platform to choose in configure to approximate as much as possible a 200Mhz ARM9 machine ? |
| 12:01:05 | linuxstb | petur: ;) |
| 12:01:22 | Ishi`` | wait amiconn :) |
| 12:01:35 | * | amiconn has a suspicion |
| 12:01:41 | amiconn | Not very likely, but worth checking |
| 12:01:49 | linuxstb | nerochiaro: What are you trying to do? The simulator won't emulate the device's performance. |
| 12:02:23 | pondlife | The simulator's low level code is very different from the device. |
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| 12:02:52 | nerochiaro | linuxstb: i need to take the WMA decoder in rockbox and use it on another device. so i want to see what flags to pass to the WMA build to optimize it for an arch/machine similar to mine |
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| 12:03:23 | Ishi`` | amiconn : HW rev :0x000C0006 / PP Version : PP5022C / Est. Clock (kHz) : 30571 |
| 12:03:25 | nerochiaro | and i was thinking that chooseing the right one in configure and then dumping cflags and so on would be the best way |
| 12:03:33 | safetydan | nerochiaro, the wma decoder is already faster than realtime on a 75 MHz ARM7 so I'd say you'll be fine |
| 12:03:40 | amiconn | There goes my theory :( |
| 12:03:40 | Ishi`` | Not bug for the version :) |
| 12:04:02 | nerochiaro | safetydan: ok, but what of the devices you support are ARM, at least ? |
| 12:04:08 | nerochiaro | safetydan: or are all ARM ? |
| 12:04:20 | safetydan | nerochiaro, iPod and gigabeat at least |
| 12:04:32 | bluebrother | nerochiaro: all PP devices, that is Ipods, Iriver H10 and Sansa |
| 12:04:33 | amiconn | All iPods, iriver H10, Sansa and gigabeat are arm |
| 12:04:42 | bluebrother | and Gigabeat is ARM9 iirc. |
| 12:04:51 | nerochiaro | i'll pick the gigabeat for now then |
| 12:05:02 | safetydan | oh sod, broken build ahoy |
| 12:05:09 | linuxstb | nerochiaro: What device/OS/etc are you working on? |
| 12:05:29 | Ishi`` | :( |
| 12:05:42 | nerochiaro | linuxstb: Linux on the Neuros OSD (ARM9 core) |
| 12:06:09 | Ishi`` | what the .map ? |
| 12:06:23 | The-Compiler | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7522 (my english sucks :D) |
| 12:06:35 | nerochiaro | linuxstb: ARM926EJ-S to be precise |
| 12:06:44 | linuxstb | nerochiaro: Make sure you also look in apps/metadata/asf.c - the code there does the initial parsing of the ASF file, and the wma codec itself skips the header in the file and uses information read by the asf parser. |
| 12:07:05 | nerochiaro | linuxstb: ok, thanks |
| 12:07:06 | bluebrother | The-Compiler: does that mean that you're referring to color targets? |
| 12:07:32 | The-Compiler | bluebrother: it does |
| 12:07:42 | linuxstb | But you may want to look at different ASF parsers - the one in Rockbox was written from scratch (and hence is new and maybe buggy) and is very specific to the way Rockbox codecs work. |
| 12:07:49 | bluebrother | that plugin also runs on greyscale devices ;-) |
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| 12:08:40 | The-Compiler | bluebrother: i don't know if the bug also exists on greyscale devices. |
| 12:09:02 | * | amiconn reminds safetydan that we're running 80MHz on iPods for some time now |
| 12:09:42 | safetydan | amiconn, cool. Must have missed that particular bit of news. |
| 12:09:51 | Ishi`` | wait for correction bug ? :( |
| 12:09:53 | amiconn | First 78, then 80 |
| 12:10:22 | linuxstb | Didn't you test higher speeds on your g2 mini? |
| 12:10:28 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:10:38 | amiconn | The mini worked just fine at 96MHz |
| 12:10:46 | safetydan | Hrm,, only 620 points for that broken build. I'm sure I've done better than that . |
| 12:10:58 | linuxstb | amiconn: That could assist mpegplayer... |
| 12:11:01 | pondlife | petur: Don't worry - mpegplayer is borked by voice. |
| 12:11:22 | petur | oh |
| 12:11:46 | safetydan | I'm assuming the duplicate iPod 1G/2G columns in the build table is a known issue? |
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| 12:12:16 | amiconn | safetydan: The empty one should go away. Ask Bagder why it still didn't |
| 12:12:46 | petur | he said the list is 7 days long |
| 12:12:53 | bluebrother | Bagder told that it goes away if the name vanishes from the (internal) log file, which is somewhat longer than the table |
| 12:16:18 | * | petur walks off to lunch |
| 12:16:59 | safetydan | That's weird. I add something and the builds get smaller? |
| 12:18:13 | pondlife | Good deal! |
| 12:18:40 | safetydan | I think it's just a miscalculation in the build size table. Maybe a broken build confuses it. |
| 12:18:54 | XavierGr | that's weird SVN bootloader won't work for H115 currently |
| 12:19:17 | XavierGr | it will just hang after the battery ingo |
| 12:19:23 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Which crazy person has been trying that? |
| 12:19:57 | XavierGr | me :\ |
| 12:20:14 | XavierGr | well no worries I can flash a new bootloader |
| 12:20:33 | XavierGr | though yes if I couldn't boot on OF I would be screwed |
| 12:21:39 | linuxstb | XavierGr: Sounds like you're the person to test flashing Rockbox on the H115... |
| 12:22:17 | amiconn | ^2nd gen OF draws 53mA while sitting in its main menu |
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| 12:22:48 | preglow | amiconn: that doesn't sound very impressive |
| 12:22:56 | pondlife | What do we draw? |
| 12:23:08 | amiconn | I want to check sleep mode first |
| 12:23:37 | * | pondlife wonders what temperature various chips reach too. |
| 12:23:38 | amiconn | Unfortunately the internal resistance of my multimeter is too high, so spinning up the disk makes the OF display low bat warning |
| 12:23:56 | XavierGr | does anyone know where LinusN is lost? Haven't seen him around in ages :\ |
| 12:23:58 | amiconn | Sleep mode is 1.3mA |
| 12:25:30 | nerochiaro | i need some help with my build. i used gigabeat as target, and symlinked my toolchain's gcc (arm-linux-gcc) as arm-elf-gcc. then run make. and i get this: http://pastebin.ca/644181 |
| 12:25:31 | pondlife | XavierGr: holiday, maybe? |
| 12:25:40 | nerochiaro | any hints ? |
| 12:25:52 | XavierGr | pondlife: yeah tha't why I am asking |
| 12:25:58 | XavierGr | maybe someone knows |
| 12:26:35 | markun | nerochiaro: maybe a too old or too new toolchain? |
| 12:26:49 | markun | which versions of binutils and gcc are you using? |
| 12:26:52 | * | pondlife hopes nobody breaks into LinusN's house. |
| 12:27:21 | markun | pondlife: don't we all hope that? :) |
| 12:27:39 | pondlife | A good reason not to publicise your holiday dates. |
| 12:27:49 | nerochiaro | markun: gcc version 3.4.6 |
| 12:28:07 | ddalton | where are the time functions stored. I want to find out how the functions that can read the time work so I can use them. |
| 12:28:08 | pondlife | Epecially if you have the world's stock of UDA1384 chips (or whatever the number is) |
| 12:28:15 | XavierGr | pondlife: wow that is a nice conspiracy theory :P |
| 12:28:36 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 12:28:46 | pondlife | Yes, there is an evil cartel of iRiver users... |
| 12:28:54 | nerochiaro | markun: GNU assembler version 2.16.1 (arm-linux) using BFD version 2.16.1 |
| 12:28:54 | XavierGr | well back to the normal H115 bootloader for me :( |
| 12:29:11 | pondlife | XavierGr: No time to debug? |
| 12:29:20 | linuxstb | nerochiaro: You can run the tools/rockboxdev.sh to setup gcc for Rockbox - edit the paths at the top to suit. |
| 12:29:31 | pondlife | It's not that scary as long as you don't modify the code before the OF keycheck. |
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| 12:31:01 | markun | nerochiaro: I use GCC 4.0.3 to compile rockbox for my Gigabeat |
| 12:31:38 | desowin | pondlife: nice definition - "world's stock of UDA1384 chips" |
| 12:32:02 | nerochiaro | markun: should i try an ipod, that maybe requires a not-so-new toolchain ? or do they all require gcc4 ? in other words, what are Rockbox's toolchain requirements ? |
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| 12:32:25 | markun | nerochiaro: no, don't think that helps |
| 12:33:34 | nerochiaro | markun: well, i'll try a simpler route, i don't need to build everything anyway |
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| 12:35:18 | XavierGr | pondlife: debug? how I can't say that I am very good at low level stuff |
| 12:35:30 | XavierGr | but if someone wants me to test something sure |
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| 12:37:05 | amiconn | Rockbox draws 68mA while sitting idle |
| 12:37:57 | pondlife | XavierGr: You can maybe find out which routine it gets to by displaying messages? |
| 12:38:21 | pondlife | amiconn: Both figures with backlight off? |
| 12:38:23 | XavierGr | pondlife: ok maybe I will try that |
| 12:38:30 | amiconn | yes |
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| 12:39:26 | amiconn | 24MHz: 61mA, 30MHz: 69mA, 80MHz: 108mA |
| 12:39:34 | pixelma | pondlife: oh, yeah. Elephantsdream is impressive with voice enabled on my M5 (I only get a black rectangle and sometimes a few white blocks) :/ |
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| 12:40:49 | amiconn | The backlight draws an extra 100mA |
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| 12:41:14 | freqmod | Does anybody know how to apply an SVN diff without copying all the filenames (patch doesn't recognize the headers)? |
| 12:41:39 | pondlife | amiconn: So, do those OF bits make any difference...? |
| 12:41:48 | amiconn | Patience.... |
| 12:41:51 | * | pondlife believes |
| 12:43:08 | markun | amiconn: did you check how much the OF draws? |
| 12:43:32 | amiconn | Umm, my sleep test only drops the draw to 42mA... but it just switches cpu clock |
| 12:43:57 | pixelma | markun: 12:22 ;) |
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| 12:48:32 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: it's definitely a dircache issue :( |
| 12:48:36 | GodEater_ | disabling dircache on the gigabeat displays the exact issue GRaTT reports |
| 12:48:36 | GodEater_ | it looks like the dircache version of open() doesn't mind trailing slashes |
| 12:48:36 | GodEater_ | whilst the non-dircache version doesn't like them |
| 12:48:36 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK GodEater_ |
| 12:48:36 | GodEater_ | the question is, do I code round that, or does one of the versions need fixing to make the behaviour consistent ? |
| 12:48:38 | GodEater_ | and if so, which behaviour is the desired one ? |
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| 12:49:06 | pondlife | Certainly they should be consistent |
| 12:49:23 | pondlife | What does POSIX specify? |
| 12:49:42 | GodEater_ | no clue |
| 12:49:57 | GodEater_ | I suspect the non-dircache version is poxisly correct though |
| 12:50:04 | GodEater_ | or posixly |
| 12:50:10 | pondlife | "If there are any trailing slash characters in string, they shall be removed" |
| 12:50:20 | pondlife | I think this means they can be present and should be ignored... |
| 12:50:42 | pondlife | From "IEEE/The Open Group" "POSIX Programmer's Manual" |
| 12:51:47 | amiconn | pondlife: These OF bits do make a difference... :) |
| 12:52:00 | GodEater_ | pondlife: does that mean our non-dircache open() is wrong then ? |
| 12:52:08 | pondlife | GodEater_: Bagder may have some experience with his CURL work... |
| 12:52:18 | pondlife | amiconn: An improvement?? |
| 12:52:22 | amiconn | 30MHz: 69->61mA, 80MHz: 108->88mA, 24MHz: 61->55mA |
| 12:52:32 | GodEater_ | wow |
| 12:52:36 | GodEater_ | nice going amiconn |
| 12:52:38 | pondlife | \o/ |
| 12:52:43 | amiconn | They don't help "sleep" mode though |
| 12:53:19 | amiconn | I bet the remaining difference comes from not doing hdd poweroff in rockbox... but the pin is known for 1st...3rd gen |
| 12:53:21 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 12:53:21 | * | GodEater_ wonders what the mystery code has done |
| 12:53:27 | pondlife | Do they have any relevance to the later generations, I wonder... |
| 12:53:52 | markun | pixelma: thanks :) |
| 12:54:07 | amiconn | The DEV_EN bits are different on PP502x, and the OF quirk that helped me find them isn't present in later generationds |
| 12:55:14 | pixelma | GodEater: don't know if it helps you any but e.g. the stats plugin works on multivolume targets, I remember amiconn had to fix something with a trailing slash to make it do (don't recall details but maybe it'll draw his attention ;) ) |
| 12:55:51 | GodEater_ | pixelma: working around the issue is trivial - I've already done it |
| 12:56:06 | GodEater_ | I just don't know which version of open() needs "fixing" in the RB code base |
| 12:56:34 | pondlife | Probably best to modify the dircache version... |
| 12:58:00 | amiconn | Hmm, DerPapst isn't around :| |
| 12:58:18 | * | amiconn could need a 3rd gen owner to do some tests |
| 12:58:30 | GodEater_ | pondlife: but from your description, the dircache one sounds like the one which is behaving correctly |
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| 12:59:06 | pondlife | Indeed, but the non-dircache code should be regarded as definitive for Rockbox... |
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| 12:59:55 | GodEater_ | why? If it's wrong - we should mend it! |
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| 13:00:02 | pondlife | It is fair to say that dircache should not make a difference. Not so fair to redefine the basics on the fly... I am only assuming that POSIX is relevant here :) |
| 13:00:48 | pondlife | Anyway, I would fix the dircache one and ask Bagder for a definitive answer. |
| 13:01:00 | safetydan | huh, who knew there was a patch for Atari 2600 emulation? |
| 13:01:05 | * | pondlife did |
| 13:01:17 | pondlife | Not synced though, is it? |
| 13:01:41 | safetydan | No. |
| 13:01:45 | pondlife | That would be a nice addition for us game-on-the-train types. |
| 13:02:47 | pondlife | GodEater_: Or just fix the original one anyway... might be quicker. |
| 13:03:03 | * | pondlife vacillates |
| 13:03:25 | * | GodEater_ will just leave it for someone else to mend |
| 13:04:31 | * | pondlife has to go |
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| 13:05:00 | pixelma | GodEater: isn't that leading (I meant) slash needed to distinguish internal/external volumes? And the two multivolume targets both don't have dircache. (just guessing though :/ ) |
| 13:06:14 | maddler | morning all... |
| 13:07:13 | pixelma | GodEater: maybe I'm all wrong and you can ignore that :\ |
| 13:10:14 | GodEater_ | pixelma: the issue is with trailing slashes, not leading ones |
| 13:10:56 | safetydan | hrm, this 2600 emulator plugin isn't even close to being usable |
| 13:11:44 | pixelma | GodEater: yeah, see above statement. I was just scared that it could break something on Ondio that works atm... ;) |
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| 13:17:30 | amiconn | rrrr, hafta reboot again :( |
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| 13:20:46 | amiconn | The windows firewire stack isn't as robust as the usb stack |
| 13:23:06 | amiconn | Hmm, or maybe it's the cable? |
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| 13:26:49 | amiconn | Yay! |
| 13:26:59 | GodEater_ | Yay ? |
| 13:27:17 | amiconn | With disk poweroff and the bits in question cleared, rockbox draws less power than OF when idle :D |
| 13:27:27 | petur | wooooot |
| 13:27:30 | GodEater_ | hurray! |
| 13:27:35 | amiconn | 45mA instead of 53mA in OF |
| 13:27:38 | * | GodEater_ pops the virtual champagne |
| 13:27:52 | * | preglow pops the real champagne |
| 13:28:04 | amiconn | So the HDD draws ~16mA when idle, which is about what I'd expect |
| 13:28:45 | GodEater_ | amiconn: do you have any clues at all how to repeat your work here on >4G or are you still completely in the dark ? |
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| 13:30:52 | amiconn | I have some ideas what to try, but my fidnings would need to be verified on those targets which I don't have access to |
| 13:31:18 | preglow | which shouldn't be a problem |
| 13:31:37 | amiconn | Depends. |
| 13:31:41 | GodEater_ | you still have LinusN's 5.5G correct ? |
| 13:32:09 | amiconn | Checking everything properly requires to cut a battery wire in order to insert a multimeter into the circuit |
| 13:32:16 | amiconn | GodEater: yes |
| 13:32:21 | GodEater_ | ...that would be tough on the 5.5G |
| 13:32:28 | GodEater_ | since it doesn't have "wires" per se |
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| 13:33:58 | amiconn | Oh? But the battery must have some kind of contacts... |
| 13:34:17 | GodEater_ | it does - but they're traces on a bit of flexible plastic |
| 13:36:11 | * | GodEater_ would provide a picture, but his camera phone's macro mode isn't up to the task |
| 13:36:59 | GodEater_ | http://www.ipoddoctor.co.uk/service_video.php |
| 13:37:19 | amiconn | I expect battery runtime in rockbox on 2nd gen to be on par with OF after committing my latest work |
| 13:37:47 | GodEater_ | http://www.ipoddoctor.co.uk/pdfs/video_instructions.pdf <−− also this has some good pics |
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| 13:42:51 | amiconn | GodEater: Ah, a strip of flexible PCB material... |
| 13:43:26 | * | amiconn is still looking for a vendor that sells small quantities of that stuff, for fixing some really old hardware :( |
| 13:43:44 | preglow | amiconn: i take it it will benefit other ipods as well, like for example the nano? :) |
| 13:44:00 | amiconn | preglow: My current work is PP5002 only |
| 13:44:24 | preglow | ah, i thought yo mean 2nd gen mini, for some reason... |
| 13:44:26 | preglow | meant |
| 13:44:30 | amiconn | It will benefit the 1st/2nd gen, and after verifying it works, also the 3rd gen. That's it, atm |
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| 13:46:24 | amiconn | But I am planning to do the same kind of work on PP502x, once I figured out everything I need on PP5002 |
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| 13:48:13 | petur | amiconn: I have in the past repaired flexible pcb by soldering a wire between two needles and weaving them in the line |
| 13:49:41 | amiconn | petur: That might help if one trace is broken, but not if you have to repair really old hardware (21 years) where the plastic became brittle... |
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| 13:51:14 | amiconn | Now if eitehr dan_a or DerPapst were around... :/ |
| 13:51:18 | amiconn | *either |
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| 13:52:52 | Kingstone | thithertho |
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| 14:27:40 | Soul-Slaye1 | In plugins, whats the difference between button_get and button_get_w_tmo? |
| 14:27:51 | petur | _w_tmo |
| 14:27:58 | Soul-Slaye1 | Ahh cheers. |
| 14:27:59 | petur | with timeout |
| 14:28:05 | Soul-Slaye1 | Hm |
| 14:28:29 | Soul-Slaye1 | I can't see how you can put a timeout on a button. |
| 14:28:43 | Soul-Slaye1 | But uh... I'll just avoid using that option as I don't understand it |
| 14:29:26 | petur | as in 'wait for a button to get pressed'? |
| 14:29:51 | Soul-Slaye1 | Ahh. That makes far more sense. |
| 14:29:58 | Soul-Slaye1 | Thank you |
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| 14:46:25 | salty-horse | how can I set the database to sort the artist>album sublist by year? |
| 14:50:18 | GodEater_ | salty-horse: this is almost entirely the wrong place to ask - practically none of the people here use the database feature |
| 14:50:25 | GodEater_ | you're better off in the forums |
| 14:50:52 | salty-horse | ok. thanks |
| 14:52:19 | GodEater_ | sorry :( |
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| 15:00:15 | amiconn | Seems like I found the sleep function in the 2nd gen's ROM dump :) |
| 15:00:52 | aliask | The function to put it into deep sleep? |
| 15:01:10 | GodEater_ | snore() |
| 15:01:15 | * | amiconn wonders why many people call it 'deep' sleep |
| 15:01:29 | amiconn | There is only one kind of sleep in the 1st and 2nd gen |
| 15:01:31 | GodEater_ | it doesn't dream ? |
| 15:01:33 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 15:01:37 | aliask | I suppose I think of sleep as perhaps being sleep() |
| 15:02:17 | aliask | And deep sleep akin to windows' hibernate |
| 15:02:32 | amiconn | Yes, and that is what it's _not_ like |
| 15:02:39 | amiconn | Windows hibernates to disk |
| 15:03:09 | aliask | What does the iPod hibernate to? RAM? |
| 15:03:17 | amiconn | yes |
| 15:03:35 | aliask | Ah |
| 15:03:36 | amiconn | The later models can also hibernate to disk, and they can also cut power to the PP |
| 15:04:16 | amiconn | But the kind of sleep where the OF wakes up instantly on button press is like suspend-to-ram |
| 15:05:21 | Domonoky | bluebrother: now that we moved the mountpoint selection.. should we remove the windows for installs which dont need more info ? or should we use this info to present information ? |
| 15:06:34 | bluebrother | well, those windows don't contain any information so I'm for removing it. |
| 15:07:06 | bluebrother | I'm just not sure if we should just start installing or put a confirmation dialog instead |
| 15:07:26 | Domonoky | i think confirmation would be good.. :-) |
| 15:07:44 | bluebrother | but as you can uninstall Rockbox without problems I think a confirmation dialog isn't strictly necessary. |
| 15:07:55 | bluebrother | otoh users might expect one ... |
| 15:08:39 | bluebrother | btw, I hope you like the way I present the values ;-) |
| 15:08:53 | Domonoky | yeah it looks nice.. |
| 15:09:20 | Domonoky | but one bug: it doesnt save the path if you enter it by hand :-) only if you browse for it.. |
| 15:09:28 | bluebrother | thought it would be good to emphasize it using bold text. Fortunately that is really easy :D |
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| 15:27:37 | amiconn | The suspend function isn't even very complex... but it touches 3 PP registers we don't know yet |
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| 15:27:48 | amiconn | (and also tells something about DEV_EN) |
| 15:28:42 | amiconn | It also touches 2 GPIO pins not documented by ipl |
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| 15:33:23 | bluebrother | anyone against closing FS #7462? |
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| 15:34:52 | GodEater_ | nope - go ahead and close it |
| 15:35:33 | * | amiconn will perform a cheap experiment soon |
| 15:35:43 | amiconn | Just calling the in-ROM suspend() |
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| 15:46:57 | amiconn | Hmm, doesn't work :/ |
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| 15:53:56 | aliask | amiconn: Is there any other way for figuring out what GPIO pins do, other than reverse engineering the OF? |
| 15:54:23 | aliask | And trial and error of course :) |
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| 15:58:29 | amiconn | aliask: Yes, request a datasheet from portalplayer... porbably doesn't help |
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| 16:07:55 | Bagder | the daily builds page on the site now show rev number |
| 16:10:42 | GodEater_ | Bagder: did you see any of the earlier convo re: open() when done with and without dircache ? |
| 16:10:56 | Bagder | just briefly |
| 16:11:18 | GodEater_ | any feeling one way or the other ? |
| 16:11:31 | Bagder | can you recap the issue? |
| 16:11:54 | GodEater_ | when dircache is enabled, open() will return success on a directory when the path to includes the trailing / |
| 16:12:08 | GodEater_ | however, without dircache, open() fails in the same situation |
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| 16:12:46 | GodEater_ | I'm not sure which is the correct behaviour |
| 16:13:08 | Bagder | allowing the slash seems like more forgiving, but I'm not sure more forgiving is the better choice for us |
| 16:13:29 | Bagder | I would expect most POSIX systems to work with the slash or not |
| 16:13:35 | GodEater_ | indeed |
| 16:13:41 | GodEater_ | that's what pondlife read |
| 16:14:35 | Bagder | is the slash passed in in several places in the code? |
| 16:15:02 | GodEater_ | well I only turned the issue up in my plugin |
| 16:15:04 | GodEater_ | so I guess not |
| 16:15:09 | GodEater_ | otherwise we'd have noticed it before |
| 16:15:28 | Bagder | true |
| 16:15:36 | GodEater_ | at least I assume so |
| 16:16:10 | GodEater_ | I'm not really sure how many other bits of rockbox use open() on a directory rather than opendir() |
| 16:16:49 | Bagder | probably not that many |
| 16:17:30 | GodEater_ | I was just using it as a "does this exist?" test |
| 16:19:20 | GodEater_ | well I shall let you ponder which behaviour needs mending then |
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| 16:19:30 | GodEater_ | consistency would be nice though ;) |
| 16:19:44 | Bagder | yeah |
| 16:19:52 | Bagder | I think we should allow the slash |
| 16:19:54 | GodEater_ | put it to the vote perhaps ? |
| 16:19:57 | rasher | Following POSIX seems the right thing to do |
| 16:20:02 | Bagder | exactly |
| 16:20:03 | GodEater_ | that's what I thought |
| 16:20:07 | GodEater_ | but pondlife felt otherwise |
| 16:20:13 | GodEater_ | and then changed his mind ;) |
| 16:20:18 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 16:21:23 | * | GodEater_ wanders off to have a look and see if he can offer a patch to fix it that isn't too hacky |
| 16:22:58 | rasher | Bagder, any thoughts on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7524? |
| 16:23:52 | Bagder | oh, I missed that. I'll try to have a look at it tonight |
| 16:24:16 | rasher | I tried looking at it, but genlang is a bit of a mystery to me |
| 16:24:41 | Bagder | yeah, it is a bit of a maze... I should sprinkle in a few comments |
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| 16:25:46 | rasher | Well, I can mostly figure out the big picture, but I'm not at all sure where to look to fix that bug |
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| 16:27:56 | desowin | ask |
| 16:28:28 | desowin | how would you replace icons? |
| 16:28:56 | desowin | btw. I have mini as well, but with grayscale lib I feel like there're some more colrs than just black and white |
| 16:30:02 | desowin | it is in rockbox |
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| 16:30:47 | Bagder | bbl |
| 16:31:12 | rasher | The grayscale lib is only available to plugins - not Rockbox main (for performance reasons). |
| 16:32:05 | rasher | , You could just try putting the colour icons on it and see. I don't know the answer myself, but it'll be harmless to try |
| 16:36:07 | The-Compiler | Are developers here who have time to give an interview for my german rockbox-podcast (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast)? |
| 16:36:27 | The-Compiler | Sorry for my bad english. I know, my english sucks :D |
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| 16:37:16 | GodEater_ | is the interview going to be in german ? :) |
| 16:37:59 | The-Compiler | no, it isn't. I do the interview in english and read it in german in the podcast. |
| 16:38:22 | GodEater_ | do you know which areas you're looking to cover ? |
| 16:40:24 | GodEater_ | if you have your questions listed somewhere - perhaps post them to pastebin and then you can get answers from the right people ? |
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| 16:41:06 | The-Compiler | generic things, e.g. "How much time do you usually spend on Rockbox?" or "In what ways do you make a contribution to Rockbox?". |
| 16:41:28 | AceNik | jens arnold: amazing work on the H10 processor stuff, it works perfect now, all the plugins like fire, cube play at full speed with the songs playing |
| 16:41:40 | GodEater_ | the answers to those would probably vary greatly by developer... |
| 16:42:21 | * | GodEater_ thinks that "Rockbox uses less power than the OF on 1st, 2nd and 3rd Gen iPods" should be MajorChanges news. |
| 16:42:28 | AceNik | guys the new superdom game i good, try increasing the computers farms & factories more, & also keep music playing, the game tends to hang a lot of times |
| 16:42:30 | The-Compiler | GodEater_: sounds good, but if I make the interview via IRC then I can make it a little bit more dynamic. |
| 16:43:18 | The-Compiler | AceNik: Do a bugreport at the tracker (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2) |
| 16:43:36 | petur | AceNik: it works better if you use IRC nicks in here, most only have highlighting on their nick, not real name |
| 16:44:21 | The-Compiler | GodEater_: >Rockbox uses less power than the OF on 1st, 2nd and 3rd Gen iPods< really? Good work! |
| 16:44:58 | GodEater_ | amiconn made it happen |
| 16:45:08 | Soul-Slaye1 | I swear he said it didn't |
| 16:45:48 | GodEater_ | it didn't what ? |
| 16:45:50 | Soul-Slaye1 | I thought he said OF idled at 53 mA but RB was 68 mA |
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| 16:46:22 | GodEater_ | miconn> 45mA instead of 53mA in OF |
| 16:46:28 | GodEater_ | insert the a where relevant |
| 16:46:30 | Soul-Slaye1 | Ahh okay, missed it. |
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| 16:47:00 | GodEater_ | good afternoon toffe82 |
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| 16:47:32 | toffe82 | hello |
| 16:47:41 | The-Compiler | GodEater_: Have you time to do the interview? It would be nice :) |
| 16:47:46 | The-Compiler | hi toffe82 |
| 16:47:52 | GodEater_ | The-Compiler: I do - but I'm not a dev ;) |
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| 16:48:34 | Soul-Slaye1 | The-Compiler: You could just aim general questions to the room and people will answer ^^ |
| 16:48:56 | The-Compiler | GodEater_: nvm... I think it would be interesting anyway. |
| 16:49:17 | pixelma | : the mini's display has 4 shades of "grey": black, white, dark and light grey. Colour bitmaps used as icons or in the wps for example are automatically reduced to these 4 tones - dithered if necessary. It should work but maybe it doesn't look as nice, but as been said it's harmless to try. |
| 16:49:20 | GodEater_ | then sure |
| 16:50:09 | The-Compiler | Soul-Slaye1: I think that would result in a chaos :D |
| 16:51:33 | pixelma | : plugins like the jpeg viewer for example can use the greyscale lib which gives more shades |
| 16:54:50 | rasher | The-Compiler, you could do it in a temporary channel for people interested in getting interviewed. That way you can interview multiple people, but not as much chaos. |
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| 16:55:20 | GRaTT | ping GodEater |
| 16:56:24 | GodEater_ | pong |
| 16:56:40 | GRaTT | just tried latest version of shorcuts |
| 16:56:51 | * | GodEater_ waits for bad news... |
| 16:56:51 | GRaTT | same behaviour |
| 16:57:06 | GodEater_ | hrm |
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| 16:58:01 | GRaTT | I have not looked at the code yet to debug for the errors will in next few days |
| 16:58:17 | GodEater_ | GRaTT: I'm convinced it's something to do with dircache |
| 16:58:34 | GRaTT | I followed the conversation earlier |
| 16:58:49 | GodEater_ | when I turned off dircache on my gigabeat |
| 16:58:53 | GodEater_ | and tried the earlier patch |
| 16:58:57 | GodEater_ | I got what you describe |
| 16:59:05 | GodEater_ | but the code I added should work round that now |
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| 17:00:21 | AceNik | guys http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7528 |
| 17:00:22 | GodEater_ | at least - it did when I tried it on the gigabeat |
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| 17:00:46 | GRaTT | I just finished 12 hour night shift so not thinking straight enough right now to read code |
| 17:01:22 | GodEater_ | I don't think reading *my* code will help |
| 17:01:55 | GRaTT | I was going to offer up some of my patches and plugins for possible inclusion to svn |
| 17:02:12 | GRaTT | FS6884 playlist converter for sansa |
| 17:02:43 | GRaTT | FS7499 new button map for sansa for jpeg viewer |
| 17:03:05 | GRaTT | FS7076 fix for the calendar for the sansa |
| 17:03:16 | GRaTT | FS7114 html parser |
| 17:03:22 | rasher | AceNik, That's not appropriate for the bug tracker. You should have posted that in the forum instead. It's simply a matter of your dap not being able to keep up with both playing music and the game. |
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| 17:04:15 | AceNik | rasher: someone here suggested me to make a bug entry so i did, now if you please should i make a forum entry too ? |
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| 17:04:49 | AceNik | rasher: my player is able to play all othe rgames with music being on , the more intensive games like xobox, then why superdom ? |
| 17:05:17 | rasher | AceNik, How do you know that xobox is more intensive than superdom? |
| 17:05:43 | Soul-Slaye1 | AceNik: Your target is? |
| 17:06:39 | AceNik | rasher: well it does have more movement than superdom, my target is the H10[20GB], rasher if you feel its inappropriate close the task , dont scrutinise me here |
| 17:07:13 | Soul-Slaye1 | Superdom lacks rb->yield() anywhere, could that be the problem? |
| 17:07:25 | Soul-Slaye1 | That sentence wasn't correct, but I'm sure you understand. |
| 17:07:56 | * | GodEater_ is willing to bet AceNik's player can't do pacbox with sound |
| 17:08:06 | rasher | Soul-Slaye1, could be, but it could also be more cpu-intensive. Especially if it has any sort of AI in it (I don't really know what kind of game it is). |
| 17:08:29 | Soul-Slaye1 | It's turn based, so it's not too intense |
| 17:08:37 | AceNik | rasher: btw the h10 has recently been well optimised recently , all othr plugins work pretty well |
| 17:09:14 | rasher | AceNik, I'm not trying to scrutinise you, I'm simply attempting to answer your question. |
| 17:09:28 | AceNik | GodEater: i just put pacman yesterday ill check that for you , not tried it yet ? |
| 17:09:41 | GodEater_ | how much we betting AceNik ? |
| 17:09:45 | GodEater_ | $100 ? |
| 17:09:48 | Soul-Slaye1 | Dear |
| 17:09:54 | AceNik | rasher:well my answer was correct superdom is not cpu-intensive |
| 17:10:11 | rasher | AceNik, how do you know it isn't? When are you getting the hangups? |
| 17:10:16 | Soul-Slaye1 | GodEater_: Am I allowed to use my gigabeat :P? |
| 17:10:28 | GodEater_ | Soul-Slaye1: no - cos I know damn well it works on that ;) |
| 17:10:33 | Soul-Slaye1 | Heh ;) |
| 17:10:40 | amiconn | GodEater: Not all of my work is committed yet. But the disk poweroff aloready brings it roughly on par with the OF |
| 17:11:51 | amiconn | Disabling the extra bits is simple, but I also want to figure out suspend mode, and what each of the remaining bits does |
| 17:11:55 | GodEater_ | well don't forget to add it when you do amiconn ;) |
| 17:12:08 | AceNik | rasher: well while i press a simple thing like finish turn |
| 17:12:14 | AceNik | rasher: finish moving |
| 17:12:36 | AceNik | rasher: or once i nuked the whole enemy territory & the game didnt respond |
| 17:12:57 | AceNik | GodEater: well does packbox actually support sound on H10? |
| 17:12:59 | rasher | AceNik: That probably means it's while the opponent is "thinking" about it's next turn, which is very likely very cpu-intensive |
| 17:13:54 | AceNik | rasher: well then it has to break that thinking in a while doesnt it ? |
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| 17:14:56 | Soul-Slaye1 | I still think there needs to be some yields in there somewhere... Although I'm no pro. |
| 17:15:23 | rasher | AceNik, It does, yes. I'll update the tracker entry to reflect this. |
| 17:15:29 | rasher | Soul-Slaye1, you're probably right |
| 17:15:53 | AceNik | rasher: ok |
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| 17:20:01 | rasher | AceNik: Done. Sorry if I sounded harsh, but "sound skips during cpu-intensive work" is a very frequent question that's usually not a bug, but simply a limitation of the dap. |
| 17:21:14 | AceNik | rasher: well keep crossfading on im sure this shall make it hang, but once when music was not playing it also hung then |
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| 17:22:26 | Soul-Slaye1 | AceNik: I have an H10, can you provide steps to reproduce this bug? |
| 17:22:31 | rasher | AceNik, in the last case, did you ahve to reset the device? |
| 17:22:44 | rasher | AceNik, or did it simply not respond to buttons for a while, then continue the game? |
| 17:22:46 | GodEater_ | GRaTT: I just double double checked - and the latest shortcuts.patch definitely works on a non-dircacheing gigabeat |
| 17:22:56 | AceNik | yes |
| 17:23:00 | GodEater_ | so I've no clue what's wrong with the Sansa :( |
| 17:23:11 | AceNik | rasher: i neede to reste the device |
| 17:23:27 | GRaTT | GodEater I will attempt to debug after a sleep |
| 17:23:28 | Soul-Slaye1 | AceNik: Could you tell me how I can reproduce this freeze please |
| 17:23:36 | rasher | AceNik, okay, then that's a seperate issue |
| 17:25:52 | GRaTT | GodEater When I first tried to get around the error I removed the check and it worked. |
| 17:26:15 | GodEater_ | you can't leave it like that though |
| 17:26:23 | GodEater_ | in case the user really HAS removed the entry from disk |
| 17:26:24 | GRaTT | I do not remember all the details of how it worked |
| 17:27:09 | GRaTT | THe single link does not work either |
| 17:27:37 | GodEater_ | it wouldn't - it uses the same check |
| 17:27:49 | GodEater_ | I really don't understand the isse |
| 17:27:51 | GRaTT | Also different behaviour from running link file or plugin |
| 17:27:57 | GodEater_ | it works on all three DAPS I own |
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| 17:28:29 | GRaTT | The last time I tried before this I went to brand new clean svn |
| 17:28:32 | GodEater_ | again - not so here |
| 17:28:44 | GodEater_ | well I'd recommend a clean svn to track it down |
| 17:28:51 | GodEater_ | otherwise you've no idea what else is goig on |
| 17:29:22 | GRaTT | I will do that and add in some splashes to watch the strings |
| 17:29:48 | pixelma | what's the flyspray number? I could take a look with my non-dircache multivolume target as well. |
| 17:30:05 | GodEater_ | 7486 |
| 17:30:19 | GodEater_ | let me sync it again pixelma |
| 17:30:29 | GodEater_ | svn is moving with pace the last couple of days! |
| 17:31:30 | GodEater_ | there you go |
| 17:31:41 | pixelma | just want to read the entry first... btw. there are issues with updating database too (maybe it's a more "generic" bug)? |
| 17:31:54 | GRaTT | I just looked over my history and the shorcuts patch still had the .h file |
| 17:32:04 | GRaTT | I thought you removed it? |
| 17:32:33 | GodEater_ | hrm |
| 17:32:34 | GodEater_ | I did |
| 17:32:39 | GodEater_ | wth have I done |
| 17:33:02 | GRaTT | I just was wondering if i used the right patch |
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| 17:36:29 | GodEater_ | ok - it's gone again! |
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| 17:36:48 | bluebrother | Domonoky: why are you constructing a filename from the url in installzipwindow.cpp:89? |
| 17:36:58 | GRaTT | GodEater I am getting new svn now |
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| 17:39:05 | bluebrother | that value is overwritten in installzip.cpp:40 anway |
| 17:39:11 | bluebrother | or am I understanding something wrong here? |
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| 17:43:45 | GRaTT | GodEater: the single link doea not work even on files that do link properly. |
| 17:43:55 | GRaTT | does |
| 17:45:55 | GodEater_ | have you tried this in a sansa simulator GRaTT ? |
| 17:46:04 | Soul-Slaye1 | Well I'm an idiot, I just built a gigabeat build for my H10 and sat here wondering why it kept erroring. |
| 17:46:08 | GRaTT | I am compiling it now |
| 17:46:41 | GRaTT | I have not tried the sim before though |
| 17:47:00 | GodEater_ | I couldn't work out how to bring up the context menu on the sansa sim |
| 17:47:08 | GodEater_ | so I didn't manage to test it there |
| 17:47:16 | GRaTT | numpad 3 |
| 17:47:32 | GRaTT | or you mean code it |
| 17:48:29 | GodEater_ | no - I just couldn't work out which button to push |
| 17:48:38 | GodEater_ | if you say it's numpad 3 I believe you! |
| 17:49:00 | GRaTT | it might be numpad2 i really need sleep. I will confirm in 2 min. |
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| 17:49:11 | GodEater_ | k - I have to run now anyway |
| 17:49:14 | GodEater_ | speak to you later about it |
| 17:50:32 | christian_ | hi, I know I'm not quite right here but does anybody know about this new amarok Rockbox support? |
| 17:50:41 | GRaTT | seem to have lost the rule to make install |
| 17:51:29 | christian_ | because it seems like my amarok does not do anything rockbox specific... |
| 17:51:34 | Domonoky | bluebrother: its not needed, dont know why i have done this .. :-) |
| 17:51:43 | pixelma | christian_: I don't think people in here know about that, you should get in contact with the amarok guys somehow |
| 17:52:23 | Soul-Slaye1 | christian_: There is no 'rockbox specific', all it can do that is special is copy your music onto the disk, just like a normal copy procedure |
| 17:52:27 | Domonoky | bluebrother: but i see other problems.. we create object with new but we never delete them.. :-) (i tryed to delete some, but got problems..) |
| 17:53:34 | christian_ | ah alright! thanks! Thats more than the Amarok people knew... But indeed thats not special at all :-( |
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| 17:55:44 | Domonoky | bluebrother: i just read up, deletion isnt really a problem, we just have to make sure, every object has a parte |
| 17:55:46 | The-Compiler | christian_: In the newest version rockbox should supporting rockbox. |
| 17:56:02 | Domonoky | bluebrother: a parent.. then qt will delete it for us.. |
| 17:56:48 | Soul-Slaye1 | christian_: Still, if it does do anything special you're better off asking the Amarok team. |
| 17:56:54 | The-Compiler | Has some other here time for an interview? The one with GodEater is done. :) |
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| 17:57:39 | Domonoky | an interview ? for what..? :-) |
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| 17:58:11 | The-Compiler | Domonoky: For a German Podcast about Rockbox (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcast) |
| 17:58:16 | Soul-Slayer | The-Compiler: I'm not a dev, I've contributed but that's about it... But I can answer some questions if you need. |
| 17:58:37 | Soul-Slayer | Domonoky is a dev though so you may be better off with him if he has the time :p |
| 17:58:51 | * | Domonoky is also not a great rockbox dev, mostly rbutil :-) |
| 17:59:18 | The-Compiler | I think interviews with users are interessting, too |
| 17:59:19 | * | Domonoky can even talk german :-) |
| 17:59:30 | Soul-Slayer | Hax :o. |
| 17:59:40 | christian_ | The-Compiler: what did you mean by that: "In the newest version rockbox should supporting rockbox." |
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| 18:00:10 | The-Compiler | Ooops :D *amarok should supporting rockbox |
| 18:01:35 | christian_ | Ok thats what I also read but nobody seems to know what it actually does. Not even on the amarok channel... |
| 18:01:55 | Soul-Slayer | I can tell it's a hit :P |
| 18:02:05 | Soul-Slayer | I really can't see what special feature it could be |
| 18:02:28 | Soul-Slayer | Perhaps to do with the album art patch |
| 18:02:58 | GRaTT | it must be as it already support UMS device and sync |
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| 18:04:03 | christian_ | is there any other Program which is able to sync ratings between rockbox and PC? |
| 18:08:32 | bluebrother | Domonoky: I was aware of the auto-destruction of objects once their parent goes ;-) |
| 18:08:55 | bluebrother | just removed the installation dialog for fonts and game files and added a simple message box instead |
| 18:09:16 | Domonoky | bluebrother: nice :-) |
| 18:09:24 | bluebrother | I don't think installzipwindow.{cpp,h} is needed anymore −− should we keep it? |
| 18:09:38 | bluebrother | otoh, we can always find the old version in the repo. |
| 18:09:39 | Domonoky | no, remvoe it.. |
| 18:09:51 | bluebrother | good. Will commit soon. |
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| 18:14:40 | bluebrother | The-Compiler: the podcast website is down ... |
| 18:15:46 | The-Compiler | bluebrother: I know, but I can do nothing, because i'm not the webmaster :) (it's TheMaster from rockbox-lounge.de, the rb-lounge is down, too) |
| 18:16:15 | bluebrother | I know −− but you might be able nagging him ;-) |
| 18:16:21 | bluebrother | what's the status of the podcast? |
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| 18:18:23 | nutellajunkie | oh my god |
| 18:18:26 | nutellajunkie | its like, real |
| 18:18:33 | bluebrother | really? |
| 18:18:40 | nutellajunkie | yes, its so real! |
| 18:18:40 | bluebrother | as in really really? |
| 18:18:50 | nutellajunkie | really really! |
| 18:18:54 | nutellajunkie | I turned it on, and its real |
| 18:18:54 | bluebrother | damn. And I thought this is cyberspace. |
| 18:19:23 | nutellajunkie | wow how IRC has changed! last time I lived on here was... hey hang on |
| 18:19:24 | nutellajunkie | oh damn |
| 18:19:35 | nutellajunkie | :( |
| 18:19:45 | bluebrother | so it's not real anymore? |
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| 18:20:12 | nutellajunkie | damn THC |
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| 18:21:08 | nutellajunkie | so while I am folndling my iaudio rockbox, I must say,.. impressed I am.. but patching, I thought that was something to do with cleaning a hamsters cage! |
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| 18:21:45 | bluebrother | patching? The iaudio doesn't need some patched firmware. |
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| 18:22:05 | nutellajunkie | just trying to add mod/tracker thingie |
| 18:22:21 | Soul-Slayer | Check the wiki ^^ |
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| 18:22:28 | Soul-Slayer | Article WorkingWithPatches |
| 18:22:40 | nutellajunkie | im stupid |
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| 18:29:02 | nutellajunkie | any difference between bootloader 1 and 2 ? |
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| 18:31:22 | Soul-Slayer | I'm stupid :S... I just spent ages trying to work out why I couldn't get my patched version of superdom working, only to realise that I was trying it on my 6GB H10... Which it isn't ported to :S. |
| 18:31:41 | Soul-Slayer | .... Which makes me wonder why it installed at all |
| 18:32:30 | Soul-Slayer | Oh okay, I know what happened. Panic over people. |
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| 18:33:56 | nutellajunkie | stupid day today |
| 18:34:02 | nutellajunkie | I still cant play mods on my iaudio |
| 18:34:17 | Soul-Slayer | Do you know how to compile patches? |
| 18:34:30 | nutellajunkie | no |
| 18:34:53 | Soul-Slayer | Then either I've misunderstood what you mean by 'mods', or you won't be able to :p |
| 18:34:59 | Soul-Slayer | Whatcha mean by mods :P? |
| 18:35:04 | The-Compiler | Next one for an interview? |
| 18:35:17 | * | bluebrother goes coding |
| 18:35:23 | nutellajunkie | tracker mods from my amiga |
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| 18:39:26 | nutellajunkie | ach well ahll jist huvv tae hinder oan |
| 18:39:33 | nutellajunkie | cheerio |
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| 18:40:34 | The-Compiler | "ach well ahll jist huvv tae hinder oan" O_o :D |
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| 18:43:12 | Soul-Slayer | Oh well I'll just have to something something :p |
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| 18:51:29 | The-Compiler | Noone time for an interview? :D |
| 18:51:59 | The-Compiler | *Nobody :) |
| 18:52:11 | bluebrother | how many people do you want to interview? 10 for the first podcast? ;-) |
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| 18:54:53 | The-Compiler | bluebrother: No... I collecting these interviews and read one per podcast then :) |
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| 18:56:41 | amiconn | Down to <7mA in suspend (with a bunch of nasty hacks) |
| 18:57:04 | amiconn | ...and no wakeup other than reset atm |
| 18:57:05 | Soul-Slayer | Nice |
| 18:57:08 | Soul-Slayer | Less nice |
| 18:57:10 | Soul-Slayer | :P |
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| 19:03:03 | amiconn | The suspend function must reside in iram as dram is put into suspend mode too (and I think I know how) |
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| 19:04:58 | low_light | amiconn: here's another clock changing routine from the m:robe bootloader: http://rafb.net/p/VuIB1n15.html |
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| 19:10:49 | saratoga | nerochiaro: if you have wma questions, you should probably ask me or possibly linuxstb |
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| 19:11:25 | nerochiaro | saratoga: well, i'd like to talk to you a bit about WMA, but i'm a bit busy now, sorry |
| 19:11:46 | nerochiaro | saratoga: will get back to you later if you're still around |
| 19:11:48 | saratoga | i'm generally on from about 4 to midnight Eastern US time |
| 19:12:03 | nerochiaro | saratoga: what time is that now there ? |
| 19:12:08 | saratoga | so anytime between now and 4 AM Rockbox time would be fine |
| 19:12:17 | saratoga | 1 PM |
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| 19:12:38 | saratoga | though i may not be immiedately around until 4 or 5 |
| 19:12:59 | nerochiaro | saratoga: ok, i'll remember that, marked on my clock |
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| 19:19:39 | My_Sic | please, how many mah have a battery of an Ipod 5G ? |
| 19:19:55 | Buschel | 400mAh |
| 19:20:10 | My_Sic | thanks |
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| 19:21:53 | Rondom | 400 only? |
| 19:22:19 | amiconn | Buschel, My_Sic: It actually depends. The 30GB models have 400mAh and the 60/80GB models have 600mAh |
| 19:22:21 | amiconn | http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html |
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| 19:26:15 | Soul-Slayer | Is there a reason this information isn't in the rockbox wiki? |
| 19:26:28 | Soul-Slayer | Any objections to me adding it? |
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| 19:27:23 | My_Sic | it was in the wiki, but i can't find him today |
| 19:27:32 | Buschel | amiconn: sorry, you're right. forgot the larger ones... |
| 19:27:51 | amiconn | Soul-Slayer: Should go into http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 19:29:17 | My_Sic | this page must be edited for ipod video, add 600mah for the 60go |
| 19:29:23 | My_Sic | andfor the 8àgo |
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| 19:31:56 | amiconn | My_Sic: Most other ipods too |
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| 19:34:19 | Soul-Slayer | amiconn: All the batteries currently say 'Li-Ion (custom)'... What does it mean by 'custom'? |
| 19:34:37 | amiconn | Custom as in not standardized |
| 19:35:18 | amiconn | Some other devices (e.g. most archoses) use standard AA cells or AAA cells you can buy practically everywhere |
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| 19:36:03 | Soul-Slayer | Gotcha. |
| 19:36:20 | D0ug | Hello, would somone be able to send me a link to an emulator for Rockbox, a build that is intended for windows. |
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| 19:37:32 | Soul-Slayer | D0ug: rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ |
| 19:37:41 | D0ug | Thank you very much |
| 19:38:09 | Soul-Slayer | I suggest you use the iPod video one, larger screen. |
| 19:38:31 | Soul-Slayer | Unless you need it for comparison against your target. |
| 19:39:07 | Llorean | As a note: Those are very definitely not emulators |
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| 19:39:52 | The-Compiler | Is there also a builded version for linux or should i compile it myself` |
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| 19:40:04 | Llorean | No hardware is emulated, they're simply a simulation of the user interface and software. |
| 19:41:24 | Soul-Slayer | The-Compiler: You will need to compile your own for Linux. |
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| 19:45:12 | saratoga | building the sim on linux is pretty trivial |
| 19:45:18 | saratoga | since all you need is svn and gcc |
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| 19:46:05 | pixelma | saratoga: don't you have a 3rd gen Ipod too? |
| 19:46:14 | saratoga | i do |
| 19:46:21 | saratoga | haven't used it in forever though |
| 19:46:32 | pixelma | amiconn was looking for a tester earlier |
| 19:46:38 | saratoga | sure i can test |
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| 19:47:27 | saratoga | ammicon: let me know if you need something run on the 3G |
| 19:48:14 | pixelma | maybe that didn't trigger amiconn though ;) |
| 19:48:49 | saratoga | amiconn: you too |
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| 19:59:02 | Domonoky | bluebrother: i have some strange error: the bootloader installation is broken.. it seems the HttpGet somehow doesnt emit the done() signal ? but for other downloads it works.. :-/ |
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| 19:59:23 | bluebrother | Domonoky: which bootloader? |
| 19:59:36 | Domonoky | bluebrother: try the gigabeat.. |
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| 20:00:22 | bluebrother | hmm, looks fine here. It only fails finding the OF file |
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| 20:00:34 | bluebrother | as I'm installing into some random folder for testing ;-) |
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| 20:00:51 | Domonoky | but it continues after downloading ? |
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| 20:00:56 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 20:01:09 | Domonoky | hm.. strange, so its a problem on my box.. |
| 20:01:40 | bluebrother | I touched that file, seems to work fine here. |
| 20:03:12 | amiconn | saratoga: Hmm, I would like you to do some tests, but first I have a question |
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| 20:03:51 | Domonoky | so i spend hours debugging an error, which doesnt happen for others :-) will try a clean svn version of rbutil :-) |
| 20:03:54 | amiconn | If you boot into the OF, then plug usb or firewire, and unplug it again, does the OF reboot or does it return from diskmode without rebooting? |
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| 20:05:25 | bluebrother | but bootloader installation also needs to get cleaned of that device path line ;-) |
| 20:06:01 | bluebrother | I think that's only needed for fwpatcher installs. |
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| 20:06:02 | Domonoky | yeah, but we have to think about the window.. for irver bootloader installation you need an extra file.. |
| 20:06:09 | bluebrother | (a file entry I mean) |
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| 20:08:31 | Davide-NYC | amiconn: Just FYI: I gave jhmikes a 3g a while back. |
| 20:08:51 | amiconn | Yes, but he has no cable to connect it... |
| 20:09:07 | * | Davide-NYC smacks forehead |
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| 20:15:36 | saratoga | amiconn: unfortuantely, i'm in the middle of someting, but i'll try and get you the answer to that later today |
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| 20:16:24 | * | Davide-NYC may have resolved Mike's cable problem. |
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| 20:36:28 | amiconn | The LCD draws ~1mA |
| 20:39:00 | rasher | Does anyone know if the order of phrases in the language files matter? |
| 20:39:22 | amiconn | It does matter in english.lang, as that is the master |
| 20:39:57 | rasher | That's what I figured. And for the rest, they'll be sorted as the english once they're converted to a binary language file? |
| 20:40:41 | amiconn | yes |
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| 20:41:06 | rasher | Gotcha |
| 20:41:07 | amiconn | But keeping them in english.lang order is still a good idea imho |
| 20:41:28 | The-Compiler | Any user/developer of rockbox here who have time to give an interview for my german Rockbox-Podcast? (Yes, I ask this question now the third time today :D) |
| 20:42:15 | rasher | amiconn, I don't think genlang keeps new strings in order. At least dansk.lang and italiano.lang were in a totally different order when I just checked. |
| 20:42:46 | amiconn | Yay! Found the last extra power consumer. Now I can make rockbox sleep as deep as the OF :) |
| 20:43:04 | markun | pixelma: not feeling like giving an interview? :) |
| 20:43:09 | amiconn | Still a huge hack, but a breakthrough imho |
| 20:43:27 | petur | but onlu 1/2/3 gen? |
| 20:43:33 | petur | *only |
| 20:43:45 | markun | amiconn: what was this power consumer? |
| 20:43:53 | amiconn | The DAC |
| 20:44:04 | amiconn | A simple audiohw_close() fixes it |
| 20:44:13 | Llorean | amiconn: Meaning we can have quick shutdown/startup on iPods? Or just on 1/2/3G? |
| 20:44:17 | bluebrother | The-Compiler: the other part of the question would be if someone is interested getting interviewed ;-) |
| 20:44:33 | The-Compiler | bluebrother: yup :) |
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| 20:44:56 | amiconn | Llorean: (1) Just 1/2/3G (2) I don't care about _real_ standby mode, I just need fake standby as the 1/2G cannot be shut down |
| 20:45:09 | Llorean | Aaaah |
| 20:45:29 | Llorean | I wouldn't mind a fake *or* a real one on the later iPods just so people would stop asking for it. ;) |
| 20:45:39 | amiconn | And for G3 this isn't needed, as it can be shut down for real |
| 20:46:11 | bluebrother | does this also give hope to get the power consumption on 4G+ ipods to a better level? |
| 20:46:18 | amiconn | The fake standby will behave like a shutdown, just that a small current draw remains |
| 20:46:20 | bluebrother | or is that completely different for those models? |
| 20:46:35 | amiconn | That's something very different needing separate investigation |
| 20:47:25 | bluebrother | too bad |
| 20:47:42 | amiconn | Not bad, just more work |
| 20:48:08 | amiconn | PP5002 and PP502x differ in many details, but they share concepts |
| 20:48:17 | Llorean | If I recall, you had a lead in the PP502x power consumption issue anyway? |
| 20:48:26 | amiconn | So understanding how things work on PP5002 help figuring out PP502x |
| 20:49:37 | amiconn | Not yet, but I learned today where to look |
| 20:50:04 | amiconn | Unfortunately the Mini G2 and Video OF doesn't make it as easy as the G1/G2 OF |
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| 20:50:29 | bluebrother | apple obfuscated the code harder? |
| 20:50:41 | amiconn | And I *need* a G3 tester to make further progress !! :\/ |
| 20:51:00 | amiconn | bluebrother: No, but the PP502x ipod OF behaves different |
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| 20:51:13 | amiconn | It doesn't reboot after using diskmode in the main firmware |
| 20:51:45 | authumalk | word |
| 20:52:38 | bluebrother | writer |
| 20:53:03 | * | amiconn thinks all this RE were a whole lot easier if he had access to one of each ipod models |
| 20:53:55 | The-Compiler | Is someone here interested getting interviewed for my podcast? Silence...... :D |
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| 20:57:00 | Llorean | The-Compiler: Maybe you should wait at least an hour between requests. |
| 20:57:24 | bluebrother | or ask again in a couple of days? |
| 20:57:28 | Llorean | There hasn't really been many people at all entering/leavng the room or displaying new activity since you last left |
| 20:57:34 | Llorean | The BEST plan though would be a single posting to the mailing list |
| 20:57:52 | bluebrother | Doesn't look like people are keen on interviews |
| 20:58:03 | The-Compiler | Llorean: nice idea |
| 20:59:41 | The-Compiler | How can I do this? Simply send a message at rockbox@cool.haxx.se? |
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| 21:00:21 | Llorean | I'd actually suggest the development list. Although it's for development topics, you're strictly interested in developers and a single message attempting to contact them wouldn't be out of place, I think |
| 21:00:45 | * | dan_a pops up to help amiconn |
| 21:01:08 | The-Compiler | I'm also interested in users |
| 21:01:32 | Llorean | Well then the main list should be fine |
| 21:06:05 | markun | The-Compiler: also post in the forum if you are interested in users |
| 21:06:36 | markun | The-Compiler: or maybe ask here: http://www.rockbox-lounge.com/ |
| 21:07:49 | The-Compiler | >or maybe ask here: http://www.rockbox-lounge.com/< I do |
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| 21:08:36 | amiconn | dan_a: First, a question: If you boot into the OF, then plug usb or firewire, and unplug it again, does the OF reboot or does it return from diskmode without rebooting? |
| 21:09:07 | amiconn | Very easy to see if you have rockbox installed, as it will boot back into rockbox if it reboots. |
| 21:10:46 | amiconn | The 1st/2nd gen OF reboots (useful for us), the Mini 2nd gen and Video OF does not (bad for us) |
| 21:11:48 | dan_a | It doesn't reboot |
| 21:13:16 | amiconn | Hmm, bad |
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| 21:13:41 | amiconn | I'll commit a tiny debug menu change in an instant, the next test requires that |
| 21:14:36 | PaulJam | hey, did the addition of the disk number in the database make a rebuild neccesary? |
| 21:15:52 | PaulJam | safetydan? |
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| 21:23:35 | Llorean | PaulJam: I imagine a rebuild is only necessary if you want to make use of the disk number, though I can't state this authoritatively. |
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| 21:24:54 | authumalk | i'll do the podcast |
| 21:25:46 | amiconn | dan_a: Committed. Could you install a fresh build, and then check the value of DEV_EN in the debug screen? |
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| 21:28:19 | christian_ | hi there, Is it possible to sort songs by there BPM tag in the Databese browser? |
| 21:29:38 | PaulJam | Llorean: with the current build it said that the database is not initialized. but i was able to access the database again by installing a build from before that change in order to export my runtime stats. |
| 21:30:23 | bluebrother | christian_: no. There is no standard tag for that across file formats so it's kinda pointless. |
| 21:31:34 | christian_ | ok. I asked because I use this tag within mp3s to store my ratings... |
| 21:31:56 | bluebrother | Rockbox has its own rating stored in the database. |
| 21:32:22 | bluebrother | but you're free to write a converter ;-) |
| 21:34:18 | dan_a | amiconn: 0x0000FBFF |
| 21:34:31 | amiconn | Hmm, as I expected... :/ |
| 21:34:39 | dan_a | I have to go out now, but let me know what else I can do and I'll do it when I get back |
| 21:34:45 | christian_ | The problem is that I can't find a way to sync my ratings from the PC to my "rockboxed ipod" |
| 21:34:49 | amiconn | Everything enabled except the builtin LCD controller (which is unused) |
| 21:34:54 | Llorean | PaulJam: Well then, it needs to be rebuilt. :) |
| 21:35:04 | ZenMasterJG | so i've just tried the past two daily builds on my ipod video, and i get an error "data abort at 002FC84" whenever i try to play anything. I haven't tried older builds yet, but i dont see anything about it in the bug database... anyone know whats up, or should i submit a bug report? |
| 21:35:22 | amiconn | dan_a: Next test would be to set it like the 2nd gen OF sets it, and check whether everything works |
| 21:35:43 | Llorean | christian_: If you're using an open source media player (or one that has plugins) simply request someone write one that can read/use the Rockbox database for Ratings |
| 21:36:22 | christian_ | ok I'll try that at amarok |
| 21:36:31 | christian_ | thanks |
| 21:40:23 | rasher | I've created a web-based interface to genlang for translations. If you could check it out and report bugs and/or usability problems to me, I'll see if I can fix them. |
| 21:40:33 | rasher | rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/ |
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| 21:44:58 | bluebrother | rasher: typo on the overview page: Rockbxo ;-) |
| 21:46:19 | ShayArnett | is there a list of supported codecs on the site? |
| 21:46:40 | ShayArnett | i hate to come in here asking a bunch of stupid questions just because i can't find where they are on the site |
| 21:46:57 | Llorean | ShayArnett: I think there's a SoundCodecs wiki page, but I'm not certain |
| 21:47:29 | bluebrother | there is. |
| 21:47:37 | ZenMasterJG | aha, updating the bootloader fixed it. i must've been running a /really/ old build |
| 21:47:44 | bluebrother | you most likely are interested in the "current status" part ;-) |
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| 21:47:54 | rasher | bluebrother, Well that was an easy fix.. |
| 21:48:58 | bluebrother | the page is nice. Two thoughts: |
| 21:49:23 | bluebrother | (1) is there any note what version of the lang files are used? |
| 21:49:31 | bluebrother | (2) how about generating diffs for posting? |
| 21:51:06 | ShayArnett | anyone with 5.5g ipods care to comment on battery life of rockbox vs apple firmware? |
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| 21:52:13 | authumalk | the battery life is about the same as with the apple os |
| 21:52:26 | rasher | bluebrother, I have the version of each file stored and can easily include that, yes. Creating diffs is not going to be as easy. Besides, posting langs as full files in the tracker rather than diff has long been accepted afaik. I think it was even preferred at one point. |
| 21:52:28 | ShayArnett | are you able to play unprotected wmas? |
| 21:53:08 | Llorean | ShayArnett: Yes you can play unprotected WMAs, and no the battery life isn't as good. Expect somewhere around 2/3 of what you get in Apple, for most people it seems. |
| 21:53:20 | ShayArnett | cool |
| 21:53:22 | Soul-Slayer | authumalk: Ehm, about the same? It's about 50-75% |
| 21:53:34 | Soul-Slayer | ^^ |
| 21:53:46 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: I think we're averaging about 2/3 right now |
| 21:53:49 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:53:52 | Llorean | Under identical conditions |
| 21:54:00 | ShayArnett | prolly give it a shot then.. i am definately not looking forward to converting all my music to mp3 |
| 21:54:00 | authumalk | it's not terrible |
| 21:54:02 | Llorean | Few people using Rockbox though use it under identical conditions as the Apple firmware. |
| 21:54:18 | authumalk | true |
| 21:54:28 | bluebrother | rasher: never was aware that posting complete lang files was preferred. |
| 21:54:39 | authumalk | true |
| 21:54:57 | Soul-Slayer | ShayArnett: Current WMA decoder is in early stages, you can't seek and stuff yet |
| 21:55:01 | bluebrother | who wants wma anyway? :P |
| 21:55:19 | Soul-Slayer | Well, ShayArnett apparently :). |
| 21:55:22 | authumalk | people who want wma want wma |
| 21:55:37 | bluebrother | there are people who want wma? |
| 21:55:40 | authumalk | personally mp3 and flac work for me |
| 21:56:04 | amiconn | Llorean: It seems to depend on the individual target. For G5 and Nano it seems to be ~2/3 |
| 21:56:12 | amiconn | Some PP5020 targets only get 1/2 |
| 21:56:20 | rasher | bluebrother, well, it might just have been a comment someone made somewhere, but it certainly was accepted at one point at least. But anyway, it will be difficult for me to generate a diff, I think, so I think it's the best I can do. |
| 21:56:29 | bluebrother | rasher: how about adding a comment line at the top of the generated lang file that states the revision of the original file? |
| 21:56:49 | rasher | bluebrother, I'll do that at once |
| 21:56:51 | bluebrother | it's great to have such a page anyway. Good work! |
| 21:57:06 | Soul-Slayer | bluebrother: Apparently there are people who want NES sounds, WMA isn't that bad ^^ |
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| 21:58:03 | pixelma | rasher: completely unimportant but I believe "Wallisertitsch" can get the Switzerland flag |
| 21:58:05 | ShayArnett | bluebrother: I have a zune currently and all my music is in wma didn't have a reason to rip to mp3 then |
| 21:58:17 | Llorean | amiconn: The user specifically asked about iPod Videos though. :) |
| 21:58:23 | ShayArnett | so it's either convert all the music or convert the ipod :D |
| 21:58:25 | pixelma | rasher: but really nice idea :) |
| 21:58:29 | amiconn | ok |
| 21:58:42 | bluebrother | Soul-Slayer: it's a MS format, so that's reason enough to not use it |
| 21:58:50 | Llorean | amiconn: Besides, I'm counting on you to fix our power issues soon anyway. ;) |
| 21:58:58 | Llorean | No pressure of course. Heh. |
| 21:59:09 | bluebrother | nah! Do it now! *g* |
| 21:59:34 | amiconn | Hrmph, I wanted to show a different reg. on PP502x :| |
| 21:59:43 | Llorean | ShayArnett: Standard WMA is both less compatible, and falls behind LAME-MP3 on many listening tests anyway. You might want to encode MP3 just for future security anyway |
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| 22:00:21 | rasher | pixelma, I suppose so, although I've given catalan the flag of catalonia. Wikipedia only has a coat of arms for Wallis though, which just looks weird. |
| 22:01:58 | pixelma | I see - was my second thought now too |
| 22:03:53 | pixelma | and no one took care of that language file for a long time |
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| 22:04:14 | rasher | Yeah, there are some very outdated translations |
| 22:05:11 | amiconn | rasher: http://www.nationalflaggen.de/fahnen_flaggen/schweiz/fahnen_flaggen_wallis.htm |
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| 22:07:09 | rasher | amiconn, I actually found this, but since I took all the other flags from wikimedia (and could easily get specific sizes) I didn't bother. I guess I'll make a resized version of that flag manually. |
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| 22:08:13 | bluebrother | rasher: what do you think about adding a note about the last update of a language? |
| 22:09:03 | rasher | bluebrother, that'd be difficult, since the languages get edited once in a while by devs without actually being updated |
| 22:10:01 | bluebrother | ok. |
| 22:10:24 | Llorean | You could always say "Last edited (date) or earlier" |
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| 22:10:51 | Llorean | Then, if you could catch the last time all the languages were touched, you could post that date too, so any languages with the same date as that are probably "earlier" |
| 22:10:55 | rasher | True, but I don't think that's terribly useful. The last 9 edits to afrikaans.lang were not actual updates. |
| 22:11:03 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 22:11:26 | Llorean | Can we add a date line into the language files, for keeping track of how old the actual translation is then? |
| 22:12:13 | rasher | Actually, I guess I could just ignore those specific commits when looking for the "last updated" date. |
| 22:12:45 | Llorean | I actually think a date in the file might be nice overall, so someone doing a svn checkout still can know very easily when the last update was. |
| 22:13:11 | rasher | I'm doing screenscraping from ViewVC though, so it's not terribly easy to do anything (rasher.dk is hosted on a Windows box which I do not control) |
| 22:13:43 | amiconn | It would be more interesting to see how many strings are actually translated |
| 22:13:52 | Llorean | rasher: I was talking about as part of SVN |
| 22:13:59 | Llorean | Not something on your side |
| 22:15:21 | rasher | amiconn, why? Isn't it more interesting to see how much work there is to do? I have "missing strings" and a percentage though, so it's sort of already there |
| 22:15:55 | amiconn | AH, it's there |
| 22:16:12 | * | amiconn wanted to take a look before commenting, but the page took ages to load |
| 22:16:34 | rasher | Llorean, Yes, I suppose this might be useful. I'm also wondering why the langfiles are not proper xml, when they're so close. It would've made my life a fair bit easier. |
| 22:16:38 | bluebrother | maybe it's irc-dotted? Was quite fast for me ;-) |
| 22:17:43 | Bagder | top download from build.rockbox.org during july: 1- source code 18409 times, 2 - ipod video 14887 times, 3 - ipod video 64mb 7860 times, 4 - sansa 7612 times, 5 ipod nano 7270 times |
| 22:18:09 | rasher | That's rather a lot more source downloads than I'd have thought |
| 22:18:12 | Bagder | then there's a huge gap to #6 |
| 22:18:29 | Bagder | rasher: I agree |
| 22:19:06 | bluebrother | #1 is the source tarball? Wow. |
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| 22:19:28 | Bagder | only the front page is loaded more |
| 22:19:43 | Bagder | even showlog.cgi is less loaded than the source |
| 22:20:04 | Bagder | but |
| 22:20:22 | Bagder | I checked the stats during the month and it didn't look like this at all during most of hte month |
| 22:20:43 | Bagder | so something or someone downloaded lots of source during the last week or so |
| 22:20:49 | rasher | Maybe someone has a shellscript gone mad somewhere |
| 22:20:52 | bluebrother | Bagder: btw, got my link to new device icons? |
| 22:21:14 | Bagder | no, I missed that! |
| 22:21:27 | bluebrother | http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/devices/ |
| 22:21:40 | bluebrother | I scaled them to a maximum of 80x80 |
| 22:22:04 | Bagder | nice! |
| 22:22:48 | Bagder | I'll have a go at that after I've gone stared at genlang for a while |
| 22:22:53 | bluebrother | (check the devices-small.zip) |
| 22:24:00 | petur | wow, those are nice drawings |
| 22:24:20 | rasher | Bagder, I worked around the bug for my page (which you just missed - rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/ ), so don't fracture your brain because of me |
| 22:24:54 | amiconn | Looks like the svg drawings scaled to a suitable resolution |
| 22:24:55 | Bagder | its still an annoying bug |
| 22:25:01 | rasher | The drawins work surprisingly well in small sizes. Probably wouldn't work in icon-size though |
| 22:25:09 | bluebrother | it is the svg drawings :) |
| 22:25:23 | petur | rasher: is that page updated live? |
| 22:25:49 | rasher | petur, not completely live, no. It updates every couple of hours (3, I think I set it to) |
| 22:27:45 | rasher | It could easily be, though, if it was hosted on a linux host (I'm thinking a cronjob running svn up in apps/lang/ every couple of minutes wouldn't hurt) |
| 22:27:52 | Bagder | now this bug was... lame |
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| 22:28:09 | * | petur wonders if we really need a s.m.a.r.t. plugin |
| 22:28:18 | Bagder | it found the <source> in the initial comment block and based the first source comparison from there... |
| 22:28:54 | petur | hahaha |
| 22:30:18 | rasher | Nice |
| 22:31:07 | Bagder | see, comments are evil! |
| 22:31:35 | pixelma | bluebrother: the transparency in the pngs doesn't work with all browser - just had to learn that myself a few days ago... |
| 22:31:54 | Bagder | yeah, like that minor browse IE... |
| 22:31:58 | Bagder | browser |
| 22:32:10 | petur | a shame |
| 22:32:12 | bluebrother | hmm. Burn IE! ;-) |
| 22:32:35 | bluebrother | but I had such an experience some years ago too ... transparency was displayed as pink in IE5 |
| 22:32:44 | Bagder | haha |
| 22:33:05 | bluebrother | web design is really a pain because of that browser (I did a bit webdesign some time ago) |
| 22:33:37 | bluebrother | and I discovered that IE7 finally (!) supports text-decoration:dotted |
| 22:33:52 | pixelma | in Rockbox pink would have been transparent, so all we need is an IE plugin *doh* ;P |
| 22:33:53 | bluebrother | s/text-decoration/border/ |
| 22:34:10 | bluebrother | someone file a port request for IE *g* |
| 22:35:40 | pixelma | why wouldn't that surprise me though? |
| 22:35:48 | Bagder | build.rockbox.org served 266 GB in july, www.rockbox.org 156 GB |
| 22:36:39 | Bagder | clearly someone had fun last weekend |
| 22:37:00 | Bagder | on build.rockbox.org we average roughly 4GB/day |
| 22:37:05 | bluebrother | what's the usual value? |
| 22:37:06 | Bagder | on july 30 it was 99GB |
| 22:37:18 | petur | whoa |
| 22:37:34 | Bagder | and on the 31st down to 45 |
| 22:37:52 | Bagder | and now we're on 4 the last few days again |
| 22:38:20 | bluebrother | wow. Someone tried to hammer the site or tried to fill up new hard disks? |
| 22:38:56 | pixelma | wasn't that the day, the server was down for a while (30th)? |
| 22:39:06 | Bagder | yeah, 136GB downloaded from one single IP address during July |
| 22:39:07 | petur | Bagder: Zagor also on holiday I take? |
| 22:39:24 | pixelma | or 31st? |
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| 22:41:31 | pixelma | ah no, that was the yesterday... |
| 22:42:02 | pixelma | s/the// |
| 22:42:20 | rasher | Bagder, well at least it was just a single IP. Easy to block. |
| 22:42:27 | rasher | And detect. |
| 22:43:03 | Bagder | ah yeah, non-stop downloading of the... source package |
| 22:43:27 | rasher | That's a few mysteries solved, then. |
| 22:43:38 | Bagder | indeed |
| 22:44:07 | Bagder | ~14 downloads started per second... |
| 22:44:16 | Bagder | that just can't have been a mistake |
| 22:44:24 | petur | and continued till the end? |
| 22:45:25 | Bagder | it went on and on and on and then it stopped |
| 22:45:47 | Bagder | 16742 downloads |
| 22:47:39 | rasher | It always confuses me when opensource projects get targeted. |
| 22:48:32 | Bagder | it is a strange world |
| 22:48:47 | bluebrother | indeed. |
| 22:49:33 | Llorean | I'd assume someone who wanted to act out on a target that wouldn't be likely to do anything back. |
| 22:50:28 | rasher | This is where our mob connections come in handy. |
| 22:54:52 | Bagder | trying out the new pics now |
| 22:55:23 | bluebrother | hmm. How about centering them? |
| 22:55:40 | Bagder | a good idea |
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| 22:55:58 | bluebrother | they look a bit too polished for the website style ;-) |
| 22:56:01 | Llorean | I do like the new pics a lot though |
| 22:56:04 | Llorean | Feels... cleaner or something |
| 22:56:11 | bluebrother | yeah. |
| 22:56:30 | * | petur votes for centering too |
| 22:56:44 | Bagder | there's no gigabeat pic in there |
| 22:58:00 | Bagder | centered like now? |
| 22:58:13 | bluebrother | hmm. I have a gigabeat picture |
| 22:58:20 | bluebrother | seems I forgot that when uploading |
| 22:58:44 | Llorean | Bagder: That looks quite nice. |
| 22:59:20 | bluebrother | Bagder: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/devices/gigabeatf-small.png |
| 22:59:23 | Bagder | I think this looks neat |
| 22:59:41 | bluebrother | yeah. Much nicer. |
| 22:59:48 | pixelma | not in IE though... (yet) ;) |
| 22:59:52 | rasher | And it even looks reasonable (not good, but reasonable) in IE |
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| 23:00:15 | Bagder | bluebrother: thanks, updated |
| 23:00:20 | petur | 840 and counting... |
| 23:00:33 | bluebrother | you're welcome :) |
| 23:00:46 | Bagder | we only miss the 1g2g now. I put the 4gray there |
| 23:01:12 | bluebrother | yeah, the manual misses it too. Otherwise we could even start building it. |
| 23:01:22 | Bagder | ah right |
| 23:01:58 | bluebrother | the images aren't centered on the manual page yet. |
| 23:02:07 | petur | ok to close http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4931 because we have custom keyboard layout? |
| 23:02:14 | * | pixelma takes the advantage to remind amiconn about the scan |
| 23:02:33 | Bagder | the manual and daily pages have more text in the boxes |
| 23:02:46 | Bagder | I'm not sure centering that text will look as good |
| 23:03:28 | amiconn | rasher: Looks identical in IE to me... |
| 23:03:39 | Llorean | petur: Is the current keyboard easy to use in plugins? |
| 23:04:00 | bluebrother | well, I also somewhat dislike that the table column aren't evenly wide ... |
| 23:04:15 | Llorean | Though, I'd close it as 'Out of date' with a request to open a new one containing only the points modern Rockbox doesn't address (if any) |
| 23:04:15 | petur | I have no idea |
| 23:05:29 | rasher | amiconn, Using IE7? It looks slightly wrong (white edges) in IE6 |
| 23:05:45 | amiconn | IE7, yes |
| 23:06:38 | Llorean | Isn't there a webpage somewhere that'll show you how your page looks in a wide variety of browsers? |
| 23:06:41 | bluebrother | better than pink ;-) |
| 23:06:42 | * | Llorean recalls seeing that somewhere |
| 23:06:55 | bluebrother | yes, I recall something like that. |
| 23:07:32 | * | amiconn has 12 browsers installed |
| 23:07:48 | amiconn | IE6 and lower don't handle PNG transparency, but that's known |
| 23:08:09 | rasher | browsershots.org ? Doesn't seem to respond though.. |
| 23:08:13 | | Quit desowin ("use linux") |
| 23:10:13 | amiconn | bluebrother: Why didn't you remove the curved arrows from the wheels, btw? |
| 23:10:26 | bluebrother | oh ... seems I overlooked them |
| 23:11:23 | bluebrother | the text is on its own layer, so I usually just disabled that layer. |
| 23:11:48 | bluebrother | just checked the sansa image. Those two arrows aren't part of that layer :o |
| 23:11:53 | pixelma | the text was mostly added by tucoz, that's why it's on its own layer |
| 23:12:32 | pixelma | I provided the arrows with the graphic - was easier than adding them later |
| 23:13:19 | bluebrother | moving the arrows to the text layer isn't complicated. |
| 23:15:31 | * | bluebrother goes doing so |
| 23:15:35 | rasher | pixelma, do you need higher res images than these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ipod_1G.png and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ipod_2G.png ? |
| 23:15:36 | pixelma | sure |
| 23:18:49 | pixelma | rasher: I think they'll do, thanks :) The most important part which makes work easier is that there is no angle and I can distinguish the important parts. |
| 23:19:24 | pixelma | (or almost no angle/perspective) |
| 23:21:28 | amiconn | dan_a: back? |
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| 23:22:51 | * | amiconn thinks that the 3rd gen now deserves to be listed as 'supported' on the front page |
| 23:23:24 | amiconn | I don't have one myself, but with the new clock handling it should be stable, and it plays music without skipping |
| 23:23:57 | amiconn | And if my 2 patches work, it will be the first supported PP target that doesn't suffer from bad battery runtime in rockbox |
| 23:24:25 | amiconn | The only thing missing is USB detection (afaik) |
| 23:24:43 | amiconn | But it detects firewire since yesterday |
| 23:26:30 | Bagder | added |
| 23:26:33 | crashd_ | amiconn: how did you get decent battery in g3? |
| 23:26:47 | bluebrother | Bagder: updated the icons once more −− no arrows in the scrollwheel icons anymore |
| 23:26:54 | bluebrother | unless I overlooked something again |
| 23:27:07 | Bagder | the zip file updated too? |
| 23:27:12 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 23:27:44 | amiconn | crashd_: It's not in SVN for 3rd gen yet (the battery runtime improvements. Stable operation is there) |
| 23:27:51 | bluebrother | grabbing the files individually must be somewhat painful ;-) |
| 23:28:03 | crashd_ | amiconn: is it 3g specific? |
| 23:28:15 | amiconn | Two key things: (1) HDD poweroff. This was already researched by ipl, and works on my 2nd gen |
| 23:28:18 | Bagder | bluebrother: updated |
| 23:28:24 | bluebrother | cool :) |
| 23:28:29 | amiconn | 3rd gen should be the same, the others are definitely different |
| 23:29:32 | amiconn | (2) Disabling unused parts of the PP chip. I was lead to it by differences in register setup depending on whether I used flash diskmode or OF diskmode before |
| 23:29:47 | amiconn | (the 1st/2nd gen OF reboots after exiting its diskmode) |
| 23:30:52 | amiconn | I also discovered that the backlight on the 2nd gen is a real battery drainer, even though it's not a colour lcd... |
| 23:31:09 | crashd_ | older tech or just ineffecient electronics ? |
| 23:31:10 | amiconn | 100mA, more than the rest of the player draws at 80MHz |
| 23:31:18 | crashd_ | not entirely exclusive, ofc |
| 23:31:39 | bluebrother | wow, that's much |
| 23:31:44 | amiconn | Well, if the backlight really is what it looks like, it uses white LEDs |
| 23:32:05 | amiconn | ..and white LEDs weren't as efficient as today back when the 2nd gen came out |
| 23:32:43 | amiconn | bluebrother: Indeed. Rockbox now draws just 45mA when sitting idle, HDD powered down |
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| 23:33:13 | amiconn | Before my 2 changes, it drew 69mA when idle... |
| 23:35:28 | rasher | how about during playback? |
| 23:36:02 | amiconn | During playback there is no stable reading of course |
| 23:36:13 | | Part low_light |
| 23:36:25 | amiconn | ...due to boosting/unboosting all the time |
| 23:37:04 | amiconn | But I actually expect a longer runtime than what is stated for the OF |
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| 23:55:27 | petur | markun: around? |
| 23:58:40 | Bagder | bed time! |
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