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00:03:44 | markun | but not for long |
00:04:39 | petur | nevermind, I committed it anyway ;) |
00:05:29 | * | petur puts away FS cleaning utils and heads to bed |
00:05:55 | petur | now at 836.... |
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00:06:54 | saratoga | just tried rbutil on my 3G and its pretty awesome |
00:09:28 | saratoga | amiconn: the ipod 3G firmware does not reboot when you remove the USB cable |
00:09:45 | saratoga | its been a while since i tried, but i'm 90% sure that firewire behaves the same |
00:10:18 | bluebrother | saratoga: which version of rbutil? ;-) |
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00:10:57 | * | Llorean gives up on Misticriver forever. |
00:10:59 | ddalton | What is the svn diff command |
00:11:03 | Llorean | I swear, some of their members are intentionally obtuse. |
00:11:08 | Llorean | ddalton: svn diff |
00:11:20 | bluebrother | or "svn help diff" :) |
00:11:40 | saratoga | its the same as normal diff, except it compares to an SVN revision instead of to a second file |
00:11:44 | ddalton | svn diff and that is it when in the source tree |
00:12:03 | bluebrother | use that in the folder you usually call "svn up" |
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00:12:35 | bluebrother | (which should be the sources' root) |
00:13:09 | ddalton | so in the folderdir with apps and firmware and the other stuff |
00:13:15 | ddalton | dir I mean |
00:13:22 | bluebrother | yes. |
00:13:51 | ddalton | What about the diff file name? what will that be called if I just type svn diff |
00:14:03 | bluebrother | there won't be a file |
00:14:26 | bluebrother | svn diff (like diff itself) outputs to stdout |
00:14:33 | bluebrother | so you need to pipe the output to a file |
00:14:36 | ddalton | so "svn diff >patch.diff" |
00:14:39 | Llorean | Yep |
00:14:52 | ddalton | ok thanks I will give it a go. |
00:14:55 | Llorean | And it'll include all changed files, so you can just do it from the folder that has /apps and all the others in it. |
00:16:17 | ddalton | I typed "svn diff >disk.diff " |
00:16:37 | ddalton | And it said "svn: Can't open file '.svn/entries': No such file or directory " |
00:16:49 | ddalton | So how can I fix this? |
00:17:29 | bluebrother | your source tree hasn't been checked out from svn |
00:18:24 | ddalton | Ok so If i check out from svn get my patch from p7525 then add it to my source should it work? |
00:18:26 | amiconn | saratoga, dan_a: Next test: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/hdd_power_test.diff |
00:18:33 | ddalton | when I run svn diff >patch.diff |
00:19:02 | bluebrother | svn diff diffs against current svn. It doesn't matter what you changed in the sources. |
00:19:18 | amiconn | Apply this patch to latest svn, then run it. Enter debug->View HW Info and leave it again. Now try something that accesses the harddisk. This should fail |
00:19:19 | bluebrother | it just diffs. If you applies a patch first svn diff will output exactly those changes. |
00:20:47 | ddalton | is there anything wrong with p7525 |
00:22:39 | bluebrother | indentation is broken afaics. |
00:22:53 | bluebrother | otherwise no idea, I don't have any knowledge about voicing code. |
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00:23:46 | ddalton | so how do I fix the indentation I am blind how far indented should it be? |
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00:24:23 | bluebrother | well, you indent to the same level as the lines directly above do. |
00:24:35 | ddalton | ok I will look at it |
00:24:38 | bluebrother | unless there is a move back (like a closing bracket) |
00:24:54 | bluebrother | and if you create a new level you indent one level more (i.e. 4 spaces) |
00:25:31 | bluebrother | check docs/CONTRIBUTING if you haven't already. |
00:25:52 | ddalton | why if I go debug->View HW and do something that accesses the hard disk why will it fail. |
00:26:16 | bluebrother | because the people asked to do that have been given a patch that does tests. |
00:26:19 | Llorean | ddalton: That's for other people, there's a specific patch that makes it fail as part of a test amiconn is running |
00:26:49 | bluebrother | it's nothing you should do if you haven't been asked to do so (and given instructions what exactly to do) |
00:26:52 | ddalton | ok so that isn't for my patch I made (p7525) |
00:26:59 | Llorean | No |
00:27:36 | bluebrother | this is irc −− all people speaking at the same time. You might need to get used to that as you need to filter yourself the stuff that's important for you |
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00:35:53 | saratoga | amiconn: that patches behaves as you predicted |
00:36:01 | saratoga | the ipod hangs without ever spinning up the disk |
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00:41:21 | saratoga | has austriancoder been around recently? |
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00:43:49 | amiconn | saratoga: OK, nice. So disk poweroff works on G3 |
00:43:58 | amiconn | I will enable it in the correct places |
00:45:23 | saratoga | amiconn: I assume this method is PP5002 only? |
00:45:37 | amiconn | No, it's even iPod specific |
00:45:56 | amiconn | (both G1/G2 and G3 have disk poweroff on GPIO C bit 7) |
00:46:32 | saratoga | oh so you're actually switching off the HD itself, not just the controller? |
00:46:45 | amiconn | yes |
00:47:03 | amiconn | Everything for disk poweroff is prepared in rockbox, as most other targets can do that |
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00:47:39 | Oktabi | hello! |
00:47:52 | amiconn | But there's another test, which is PP5002 specific: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/dev_en.diff |
00:48:03 | amiconn | This time nothings |
00:48:07 | amiconn | * |
00:48:12 | amiconn | This time nothing should fail |
00:48:25 | robin0800 | amiconn,is it only G1/G2 and G3 ipods? |
00:48:26 | amiconn | Install it, and check whether everything behaves like normal |
00:49:06 | amiconn | (Navigation, music playback, backlight, firewire detection, whatever) |
00:49:18 | Oktabi | i'm using the sansa e200 - and there is a "sansae200 maps" quite new. what exactly am i supposed to do with this? |
00:49:27 | amiconn | nothing |
00:50:08 | amiconn | The .map files are there for developers to help them track down problems with that specific build |
00:50:17 | Oktabi | thanks :) |
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00:52:12 | amiconn | saratoga: Of course I meant GPIO C bit 6 in case you wondered |
00:52:31 | bluebrother | he is supposed to use current builds anyway ... |
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00:56:11 | amiconn | saratoga: Disk poweroff for 3rd gen committed, if you combine that with my second patch and that second patch works, you should get decent battery runtime :) |
00:57:40 | robin0800 | amiconn,does the ipod video have this? |
00:57:53 | amiconn | How should I know |
00:58:02 | amiconn | This needs investigation for every single model |
00:59:06 | saratoga | amiconn: so far so good with the second patch |
00:59:17 | saratoga | though i'll test it a good bit longer once the database rebuild finishes |
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00:59:26 | amiconn | saratoga: Goodie. |
00:59:46 | robin0800 | amiconn,ok I understand |
00:59:48 | amiconn | Btw, the 3rd gen is a good testbed for IRAM optimisation of the wma codec |
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01:00:09 | amiconn | (because of the PP5002's broken cache implementation) |
01:01:03 | saratoga | amiconn: yes I've been thinking about that |
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01:01:16 | saratoga | the sansa's gains from IRAM improvements are often too small to notice |
01:01:28 | amiconn | saratoga: If you check Debug->View I/O Ports, DEV_EN should read 0xB9F now |
01:01:50 | ComposerDude | Hey, can I have write permission to TWiki? |
01:02:13 | bluebrother | what's your wiki name? |
01:02:26 | ComposerDude | AaronHuggins. |
01:02:45 | saratoga | amiconn: confirmed |
01:03:07 | ComposerDude | bluebrother:I laughed so hard when I realized i could not even edit my personal page! |
01:03:52 | bluebrother | well, we had quite some spam problems in the past. |
01:04:00 | bluebrother | done, you should be able editing now. |
01:04:28 | ComposerDude | Thanks bluebro. |
01:06:11 | bluebrother | you're welcome |
01:09:24 | bluebrother | sleep time. |
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01:09:49 | * | amiconn is pretty sure that the other ipods also have disk poweroff |
01:10:02 | amiconn | We "just" need to find out how to control it |
01:11:59 | Llorean | Yes, "just" :) |
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01:12:39 | saratoga | the ipod 3G port is now quite usable |
01:12:54 | saratoga | worlds better then when i tried it last fall |
01:13:01 | amiconn | Of course |
01:13:35 | amiconn | We're running at the speed we want instead of being locked to 66MHz, frequency scaling is stable, and since today it draws less power |
01:13:38 | Soul-Slayer | Is it my imagination or do the pics on the build table look... Shinier. |
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01:14:37 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: New based on SVG images of the hardware rather than simple scans |
01:14:50 | Soul-Slayer | Ooh.. Hawt |
01:14:52 | amiconn | And the libmad optimisation done by tomal helps a lot... |
01:15:21 | safetydan | Llorean, now we just need an svg renderer hooked up to the sim so we can use them for the background images :) |
01:15:48 | Llorean | safetydan: Now that would be hot, yes. |
01:16:12 | * | amiconn doesn't care much about the sim |
01:16:34 | amiconn | Most things I'm interested in are too low level for the sim being useful |
01:16:59 | saratoga | as long as I can run test_codec from the sim i'm happy |
01:17:06 | saratoga | hell, a command line version woudl be great for me |
01:17:12 | saratoga | no more need to start up xwin |
01:17:22 | safetydan | It'd be nice if the sim threading code as a bit closer to the target at least. |
01:18:39 | safetydan | saratoga, you could always try setting SDL_VIDEODRIVER to aalib :) |
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01:34:49 | ToHellWithGA | i purchased an iPod today and would like to play FLAC. is rockbox the solution for me? |
01:36:43 | Llorean | Yes. |
01:36:51 | Llorean | Unless you bought a Nano |
01:37:03 | ToHellWithGA | i bought a 30GB black ipod |
01:37:17 | Llorean | Then it should be. |
01:37:27 | ToHellWithGA | is there a guide for reconciling my model number with the appropriate rockbox version to use? |
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01:37:51 | Llorean | You have a video iPod? |
01:37:58 | ToHellWithGA | i suppose |
01:38:13 | Llorean | That sounds kinda dubious. |
01:38:16 | ToHellWithGA | it had a picture of johnny depp superimposed on the screen on the packaging |
01:38:31 | Llorean | It's a new iPod? |
01:38:34 | ToHellWithGA | unless he did a music crossover or went into some heavy modeling i'd say it is video :p |
01:38:39 | ToHellWithGA | brand spankin' |
01:38:44 | Llorean | Then yes, it's a video iPod |
01:38:47 | Llorean | You need the "iPod Video" version |
01:38:59 | ToHellWithGA | right on then. cheers |
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01:40:31 | ToHellWithGA | welcome back. is the ipod video or ipod video 64mb a better fit for my machine? |
01:40:52 | Llorean | The 64mb one is only for models with 60gb or 80gb disks |
01:41:11 | ToHellWithGA | thanks for the clarification |
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01:48:08 | a1titude | Hi, I was reading the SVN today and there have been entires for "Disk poweroff for 1st/2nd/3rd gen iPods." are these what I think they are (I don't have any of them, but its good news, right?) |
01:49:03 | krazykit | yes |
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01:49:58 | ToHellWithGA | a1titude: what do you think they are? |
01:50:14 | ToHellWithGA | and i mean that sincerely. i'm new to all of this and here to learn |
01:51:07 | a1titude | ToHellWithGA: disk power-off to conserve battery life, I think, but I'm pretty new to all this to |
01:51:20 | ToHellWithGA | that sounds cool |
01:51:28 | ToHellWithGA | so it would buffer to memory and quit spinning the drive? |
01:51:31 | ToHellWithGA | or something like that |
01:51:54 | a1titude | as far as I understand. But theres a good chance I'm wrong |
01:51:58 | amiconn | Rockbox always does that |
01:52:24 | amiconn | But most (all?) targets also have a way to physically cut the power to the drive, saving some more power |
01:52:41 | amiconn | This is what I enabled for 1st..3rd gen today |
01:53:05 | amiconn | .. and I have another patch pending that further improves battery life on those ipods. It just needs some more testing on 3rd gen |
01:53:33 | amiconn | I don't have a 3rd gen myself, but e.g. saratoga does |
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01:54:13 | a1titude | Thats really good news theres a start to this, can't wait to see how good the improvements are on the iPod runtime page. |
01:54:34 | * | amiconn will start the first runtime test on a 2nd gen soon |
01:54:42 | amiconn | Just have to charge fully first |
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01:55:49 | webguest19 | uh. I am looking for permission to use the wiki I have a wps to upload and have received and clicked the link in my email |
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01:55:52 | a1titude | All I have to say is keep up the good work! you guys rock! ;) |
01:56:23 | krazykit | webguest19, you also need to state what your name is on the wiki for anyone to enable it |
01:56:40 | webguest19 | how sry noob |
01:57:21 | krazykit | ... |
01:57:37 | krazykit | read the instructions. it's pretty plain |
01:58:25 | krazykit | you just state the name you registered with on the wiki |
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01:58:59 | webguest19 | Im sry where do i get instructions i used a link to register and followed instructions and activated and was told to come here |
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01:59:22 | ToHellWithGA | ooh, came up with my first question :) can i install apple firmware updates to my ipod after adding rockbox? |
01:59:33 | TiMiD[FD] | does anyone know how to open the iriver h100's remote ? |
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02:00:03 | TiMiD[FD] | ToHellWithGA: I think that this will erase the rockbox bootloader ... |
02:00:06 | saratoga12 | amiconn: my ipod is still going strong after that second patch |
02:00:13 | saratoga12 | will let you know if it ever crashes |
02:00:32 | amiconn | I am really curious what the runtime will be with that patch |
02:01:02 | webguest19 | You will not be able to edit the Wiki right away. You must first be |
02:01:03 | webguest19 | granted write access by a fellow Wiki user. Join the Rockbox IRC channel |
02:01:03 | webguest19 | (http://www.rockbox.org/irc/) and ask for Wiki write permission |
02:01:21 | webguest19 | is what i got |
02:01:49 | pixelma | webguest19: you registered at the wiki with your name, now if we want to give you permission, we need to know that user name so that one of us can enable it... how shall we know it? |
02:02:08 | webguest19 | Tylerbull |
02:02:30 | ToHellWithGA | TiMiD[FD]: so i could just keep re-patching? |
02:02:52 | ToHellWithGA | each time i apple firmware patch i could just re- rockbox firmware patch |
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02:05:18 | webguest19 | If someone answered my ? plz reanswer i accidentally refreshed sry |
02:05:20 | Soul-Slayer | ToHellWithGA: You could, yes. |
02:05:48 | Llorean | webguest19: Tylerbull doesn't meet the guidelines for a name. Did you mean TylerBull? Is that your real name? |
02:06:18 | webguest19 | I thought my wiki name the two brought together when registering |
02:07:08 | Llorean | It's your real first and last name, capitalized each. For example, I'm PaulLouden |
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02:08:01 | webguest19 | yes caps sry Tyler Bull is my real name and i am here to ask permission to modify the wiki |
02:08:19 | webguest19 | TylerBull |
02:08:58 | tihoc4n | \me was a1titude but had gaim save password and forgot password and coulden't sign in after deleting my account without thinking about it, won't happen again, saved a email address with this account |
02:09:12 | * | tihoc4n oops |
02:10:15 | ToHellWithGA | thanks Soul-Slayer. i'll catch yall later |
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02:10:28 | Llorean | webguest19: It should be done now |
02:10:52 | webguest19 | thnx alot |
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02:11:04 | webguest19 | Sry i was confusing |
02:11:10 | sammi_ | hello |
02:11:44 | sammi_ | my ipod 5gen 80 gb just froze on me. It's not responding to anything :-( |
02:12:55 | sammi_ | I've been waiting for 5 minutes and nothing's happening |
02:13:19 | sammi_ | tryed to plug it to my computer and nothing happend then either |
02:13:57 | sammi_ | is there a good troubleshooting webpage for rockbox on a video ipod? |
02:15:19 | Llorean | sammi_: When the iPod is frozen, turn hold on and off, then hold Menu+Select for up to 30 seconds |
02:15:29 | Llorean | If it doesn't work, you should try it again, this is a feature that will always work. |
02:15:59 | sammi_ | 30 secs... ok... |
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02:19:12 | sammi_ | ok I've tried that three times now and it still won't respond |
02:19:17 | sammi_ | uh oh |
02:20:12 | Llorean | Honestly, if it's not responding, you're doing it wrong. |
02:20:31 | Llorean | Unless your battery is dead, of course, but you would know what your battery level was. |
02:20:32 | sammi_ | I'm supposed to turn the hold button on and off, then press menu + play/pause for 30 secs, right? |
02:20:38 | Llorean | Menu and SELECT |
02:20:43 | Llorean | Not Play/Pause |
02:20:46 | sammi_ | what's select? |
02:20:52 | Llorean | The center button, as it says in our Manual |
02:20:54 | sammi_ | i need sleep |
02:20:58 | sammi_ | ... zZzZ |
02:21:04 | sammi_ | the middle button of course |
02:21:20 | saratoga12 | i think apple has a nice doc somewhere on their page explaining how to reset the ipod |
02:21:29 | saratoga12 | you could always check that |
02:21:50 | sammi_ | I just read the Rockbox manual |
02:22:00 | sammi_ | didn't find it there |
02:22:27 | sammi_ | sorry for took about 3 secs to power off now :D |
02:22:32 | Llorean | sammi_: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch3.html |
02:22:36 | sammi_ | sorry for my blindness |
02:23:11 | sammi_ | I'm usually pretty good at reading the documentation... honest |
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02:24:40 | sammi_ | great to know there's a safety feature |
02:25:28 | sammi_ | I really started sweating there. I don't think straight when I'm nervous :D |
02:25:45 | MournBlade | If I ever use anything it better have a safety feature |
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02:26:25 | webguest97 | how do i delete uploaded pics of my wps off the wiki?? |
02:26:29 | sammi_ | Thanks guys. I can only imagine how many people you get in here with exactly the same prob |
02:26:30 | sammi_ | hehe |
02:26:56 | webguest97 | It says access denied |
02:27:37 | sammi_ | @MournBlade did you know that cooking you microwave dinner in a metal plate is much quicker? |
02:27:42 | sammi_ | hehehe |
02:27:45 | sammi_ | just kidding |
02:27:56 | sammi_ | DO NOT TRY THAT hehehe |
02:28:04 | pixelma | webguest97: I think you can't, only the website admins can (which aren't around at this time of day in Europe) |
02:28:11 | MournBlade | oh yes.....found that out many years ago....after the inside melted |
02:28:57 | MournBlade | and they don't dry wet cats out very well either |
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02:38:09 | inmotion | i can't seem to find anything in manual explaining the icons across the top... one on the far left is batter? whats the circle disc thing to the far right.. busy? |
02:38:48 | sammi_ | Q: What's hot, furry, pink and liquid? |
02:39:01 | sammi_ | A: A kitten in the microwave oven |
02:39:09 | sammi_ | auch |
02:39:19 | MournBlade | ugh lol |
02:39:23 | sammi_ | that's the most politically uncorrect joke I know |
02:39:30 | krazykit | sammi_, shut the fuck up. that's not necessary |
02:39:54 | pixelma | inmotion: that's the disc activity icon |
02:40:00 | sammi_ | I forget. It's only nighttime where I am... |
02:41:14 | sammi_ | sorry about that |
02:41:35 | sammi_ | anyway it's way cool to play Doom on my Ipod :) |
02:41:44 | sammi_ | lots of blood and gore |
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03:21:11 | webguest25 | I had a wierd idea for a plugin. something that created a REALLY bright light as in a flash light. it could detect the lcd and produce lots of light. any feedback before i start coding? |
03:21:26 | Presence | mode to blink SOS. :) |
03:21:35 | webguest25 | ;) |
03:23:10 | webguest25 | anyone else? |
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03:24:10 | Soul-Slayer | I uhm... What's the point? |
03:25:02 | Soul-Slayer | It'll only work on targets you can set the brightness on, and even then you can do it easily enough without a plugin ^^ |
03:25:07 | webguest25 | A flashlight!!! walking in the dark? Use Rockbox's NEW Plugin!!! |
03:25:48 | webguest82 | hello |
03:26:08 | webguest25 | It would be easier as a plugin because then you could turn the HDD off to conserve batt. |
03:26:29 | Llorean | I'd just carry an LED flashlight on my keychain, personally |
03:26:31 | webguest82 | jhMikeS: are you there? |
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03:29:07 | webguest25 | Still... |
03:29:42 | Llorean | webguest25: feel free to create it and post it on the tracker |
03:30:01 | webguest25 | ok. will do |
03:30:16 | Llorean | We don't stop anyone from making things. |
03:30:25 | webguest25 | Expect it in 7-7.5 weeks |
03:30:33 | Soul-Slayer | Lol o.0 |
03:30:37 | webguest25 | mabey less |
03:30:44 | Soul-Slayer | I'd seriously hope so :p. |
03:31:27 | webguest25 | Seriously, though i have only just learned C |
03:32:09 | Soul-Slayer | Well, good luck. |
03:33:27 | webguest25 | One more question. could i possibly take the sim firmware and use it on my player? |
03:33:55 | Llorean | No |
03:34:47 | webguest25 | i thought so... the battery symbol flashed in a wierd way on the sim. can i do the reverse? |
03:35:48 | Soul-Slayer | What, make it flash in a non weird way? |
03:37:03 | webguest25 | no put my pl firmware in sim |
03:37:12 | * | webguest25 begins to open the 'C for Dummies' book |
03:37:21 | Llorean | No |
03:37:25 | Llorean | The Sim is not a player emulator |
03:37:41 | Llorean | It's a program compiled for your computer that is set to look the same as the software on a specific player |
03:37:47 | Llorean | That's all, look the same. |
03:38:11 | webguest25 | Oh. that explains that error. ;) |
03:39:20 | Soul-Slayer | Does anyone here have a 20GB H10 and experience crashes while listening to music and playing superdom and able to test my patch to see if it stops the crashes? *pauses to breathe* |
03:39:39 | webguest25 | I have an h10 20 gb |
03:39:46 | Soul-Slayer | Apparently someone experienced crashes while playing superdom and listening to music |
03:39:47 | webguest25 | and crashes |
03:40:02 | Soul-Slayer | Whilst playing superdom or just randomly crashes? |
03:40:29 | webguest25 | random |
03:40:34 | webguest25 | memory |
03:40:38 | Soul-Slayer | Not a lot I can do there then |
03:40:40 | webguest25 | things |
03:40:54 | webguest25 | i cant help either |
03:41:00 | webguest25 | can i? |
03:41:04 | Soul-Slayer | I'm new to C myself, which is why I want someone to test my patch and see if it was even close to solving it :P |
03:41:29 | webguest25 | i dont have the newest ver. of firmware |
03:41:34 | Soul-Slayer | Unless I make it so it'll run on my H10, even though the screen is too small |
03:41:54 | webguest25 | you have 5/6 gb? |
03:41:59 | Soul-Slayer | 6GB, yes. |
03:42:11 | Llorean | webguest25: Why don't you update to the newest Rockbox then? |
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03:43:23 | webguest25 | I cant because a friend on aug 1 compiled a patch for me regarding 5855. he told me not to update |
03:43:35 | webguest25 | it wont work otw |
03:43:58 | webguest25 | i could backup pong |
03:44:11 | Soul-Slayer | You've been here before haven't you :P |
03:44:20 | Soul-Slayer | I remember DerPapst compiling that for someone |
03:44:23 | Soul-Slayer | Was that you? |
03:44:28 | webguest25 | webguest 44 |
03:44:32 | webguest25 | yep |
03:44:33 | Soul-Slayer | Quite possibly |
03:45:01 | Soul-Slayer | Well, if you plan on learning how to make your own plugin, your first step is to learn how to compile from source |
03:45:15 | Soul-Slayer | Once you know how to do that you can update with patches anytime you like, and add your own patches. |
03:45:49 | webguest25 | it seems that the instructions are on the wiki |
03:46:10 | webguest25 | would backing up pong work? |
03:46:17 | Soul-Slayer | No |
03:46:19 | krazykit | no |
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03:47:16 | Llorean | It might, for a while |
03:47:19 | Llorean | Until the plugin API changes. |
03:47:33 | webguest25 | when will that be? |
03:47:40 | Llorean | When someone changes it? |
03:47:51 | Llorean | It's not like we schedule when we're going to need to change it to allow a new feature to work. |
03:48:17 | webguest25 | Ahhrrggg!!!! i can never get a time answer with you guys!!!! |
03:48:33 | Llorean | Well yeah, read the forum guidelines |
03:48:35 | Soul-Slayer | Llorean: I was under the impression that, like codecs, if the main binary is out of sync with the plugins by as much as one commit, it'll refuse to open |
03:48:46 | Soul-Slayer | Nobody time scales in this project., |
03:48:53 | Llorean | webguest25: I mean honestly, how the heck do you expect someone to predict the future in a project completely compose of volunteers working in spare time? |
03:49:09 | webguest25 | guessing |
03:49:17 | Llorean | What good is an absolutely random guess? |
03:49:17 | Soul-Slayer | Especially when a lot of the breakthroughs are guesswork or trial and error. |
03:49:35 | webguest25 | distraction |
03:49:38 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: Untrue, plugins depend on the plugin API which often remains unchanged across dozens or sometimes even hundreds of revisions. |
03:49:39 | Soul-Slayer | webguest25: You just gave us a time of 7 - 7.5 weeks for a plugin consisting of around 4 API calls |
03:50:02 | webguest25 | so |
03:50:04 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: 4? get backdrop color, set backdrop color, lcd update, set backdrop color. |
03:50:15 | Llorean | I guess wait for a keypress. |
03:50:16 | Soul-Slayer | Don't even need colour really |
03:50:25 | Llorean | You'd want to store the old one so you could restore it. |
03:50:28 | Soul-Slayer | Backlight timeout 1 |
03:50:38 | Soul-Slayer | Ah true |
03:50:40 | Llorean | I'd say you should set it to white. |
03:50:43 | Soul-Slayer | Set backdrop to white |
03:50:45 | Soul-Slayer | Yeah. |
03:51:01 | Llorean | Store the backdrop, set it to white, while loop until keypress, restore the old color, exit. |
03:51:07 | webguest25 | wow do you like the plugin |
03:51:19 | Llorean | webguest25: As I said, I have absolutely no use for it. |
03:51:23 | Soul-Slayer | We're trying to think how 7 weeks could be justified. |
03:51:35 | Llorean | If I really needed a white screen, I'd launch a .cfg file that sets a white backdrop color and no LCD timeout |
03:51:45 | Llorean | The black text would have a minimal affect on the net brightness of the screen. |
03:51:46 | webguest25 | sar?casticly |
03:52:00 | Llorean | Especially if I browsed into an empty folder |
03:52:16 | Soul-Slayer | No, really, you said we should guess times. I don't think that 7 weeks is quite an accurate guess though. |
03:52:28 | webguest25 | 3? |
03:52:53 | Soul-Slayer | I wouldn't even say half an hour to be really honest. |
03:53:13 | webguest25 | if its so easy... why dont you do it! |
03:53:19 | Soul-Slayer | I don't need it. |
03:53:19 | Llorean | Because we can't be bothered. |
03:53:24 | Llorean | You're the one who wants to do it. |
03:53:45 | Llorean | I could do it in less than 3 minutes, unless I miss my guess, but I honestly could care less about a plugin that duplicates a very simple .cfg file. |
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03:54:24 | * | webguest25 is surprized at the kid-like-ness of these people |
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03:54:29 | webguest25 | bye |
03:54:38 | * | Soul-Slayer blinks. |
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03:55:25 | * | Llorean is surprised that someone thinks that my time is worth less than his and should be put to any job he feels interested in. |
03:56:30 | Soul-Slayer | I'm just somewhat speechless. Still, I'll be sure to check the tracker in October for a flashlight. |
03:58:04 | Llorean | People don't react well when you tell them "It's easy for me, but I can't be bothered." |
03:58:43 | saratoga12 | what an idiot |
03:58:46 | Llorean | I always want to say "I'll tell you what, can you cook? I'll spend two hours working on your project that I'm not at all interested in, if you'll spend two hours cooking for me on various days, that way it's a fare trade in time." |
03:59:10 | Llorean | I just don't understand the "It's easy for you, so you should do it for free whether you're interested or not" standpoint. |
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04:00:03 | Soul-Slayer | I'm sure he'd like us to tie his shoelaces too, while we're at it. |
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04:20:29 | Soul-Slayer | Shouldn't all the plugin API calls be documented in the wiki or something? After all, they're customary to Rockbox, you can't just learn C and know how they work |
04:21:15 | saratoga12 | yeah they should be |
04:21:24 | saratoga12 | at least they should be documented somewhere |
04:21:34 | saratoga12 | we have some of them in the docs folder, but its quite out of date |
04:22:33 | Soul-Slayer | Hmm... There is a section in the wiki on how to make your own plugins, focusing around the helloworld plugin naturally, it tells you about a few of the API calls but clearly not all of them |
04:23:22 | Llorean | Well, I mean, someone could copy the associated .h file to the wiki and then document it... then again, they could just properly comment the .h file |
04:23:28 | saratoga12 | i really need to find someone who understands how the ffmpeg huffman coding works |
04:23:39 | Soul-Slayer | Currently, neither is in operation |
04:24:23 | Soul-Slayer | Seems a lot of the source files are commented well, but the header files are pretty neglected |
04:27:20 | saratoga12 | preglow had talked about introducing a doxygen just to get people to comment headers in some standard way |
04:27:31 | saratoga12 | at least i think it was him |
04:28:30 | Soul-Slayer | Hmmm |
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04:43:55 | Soul-Slayer | saratoga12: You're right, a good deal of the plugin API functions are documented here, although it does need an update |
04:44:08 | saratoga12 | yeah some of the things there are subtly wrong |
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04:47:55 | TiMiD[FD] | since the plugin api is composed of rockbox functions, it would be better to document the rockbox fn themselves |
04:48:09 | TiMiD[FD] | if someone has the time and the skills |
04:48:22 | TiMiD[FD] | making good documentation is not very easy |
04:49:05 | Llorean | And then copy the comments into the plugin header, so those writing plugins don't have to search other files, though, I think |
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04:50:36 | Soul-Slayer | What... Not annoys, but disappoints me also, is that most people who make plugins don't bother commenting their work. |
04:51:17 | Soul-Slayer | Great way for other people to learn but they don't help people by passing on their skills. Not in all cases, but some. |
04:51:25 | TiMiD[FD] | Llorean: there should be a way to do this without duplicating the comments with docygen |
04:51:50 | TiMiD[FD] | Soul-Slayer: sometimes code is self explicit |
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04:52:05 | TiMiD[FD] | if you use explicit names commenting would make information redundant |
04:52:17 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: Well, most open source development is spare-time anyway, and comments do add at least a bit of extra time while you're working. |
04:52:18 | TiMiD[FD] | buf for an api it's important to have good comments |
04:53:24 | TiMiD[FD] | but now that you say that, I feel a little bit guilty ... I was just about commmitting a plugin ... |
04:53:43 | Soul-Slayer | Some code is self explicit to some people. Yes there are some functions that are obvious, eg backlight_off, but knowing how it's fitting in with the rest of the code and how it's branched off from the main function is how people get confused. |
04:54:12 | Soul-Slayer | Sorry :p It's obviously not a sin, and like Llorean pointed out, it is all just spare time work |
04:55:02 | Soul-Slayer | People shouldn't feel compelled to plaster comments over it, but there's no doubt it would help people |
04:55:26 | TiMiD[FD] | oksoprepare for a true christmas tree build table, because I have a lot of files to commit and I'm pretty sure it'll go wrong in a way or another ^^ |
04:55:51 | TiMiD[FD] | I try to put comments when I feel that it would help |
04:56:00 | TiMiD[FD] | or when defining APIs ... |
04:56:04 | * | Soul-Slayer loads up build.rockbox.org and waits ;) |
04:56:31 | TiMiD[FD] | I still have to find a good comment for my commit ... |
04:56:34 | Soul-Slayer | I do like these new pictures though :p. |
04:56:49 | Llorean | I'd kill for some clear comments on the text drawing functions. |
04:57:02 | Llorean | I'm still not 100% clear when they're expected to do what. |
04:57:44 | Soul-Slayer | I always mess up buttons somehow. |
04:58:06 | Llorean | Well I was looking at the core text stuff, I'm not sure how many of those are available to plugins. |
04:58:21 | Llorean | I need to get back to it at some point and finish up what I was working on. |
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05:02:17 | TiMiD[FD] | 57 files changed |
05:02:36 | TiMiD[FD] | if it doesn't break it's a miracle ^^ |
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05:02:53 | Soul-Slayer | Lets see :p |
05:03:29 | webguest71 | Any word on rockboy updates? |
05:03:29 | Soul-Slayer | I'm expecting an impressive show of colour here... Don't let me down |
05:04:25 | Soul-Slayer | webguest71: I don't think anyones working on it, very few devs use it to my knowledge. |
05:04:35 | webguest71 | dang |
05:04:46 | TiMiD[FD] | I don't want to deveive you, I forgot some ; on purpose ^^ |
05:05:03 | Soul-Slayer | I have a nasty habit of doing that |
05:05:16 | Soul-Slayer | But surely your compiler would have picked that up? |
05:05:24 | Soul-Slayer | Assuming you tested locally first ;) |
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05:06:10 | midgey | webguest71: kkurbjun rewrote the sound core a few weeks ago and i added RTC support a few days ago |
05:06:19 | Soul-Slayer | Typical. |
05:06:20 | midgey | hmm, nevermind |
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05:08:03 | TiMiD[FD] | oh no when I do huge changes I test with the build servers only ^^ |
05:08:31 | TiMiD[FD] | 2 days of coding without a single one compile, that would sound crazy |
05:08:50 | TiMiD[FD] | the build is late |
05:08:56 | TiMiD[FD] | the more errors the later ? |
05:09:26 | Soul-Slayer | Build expected to complete in 0m 28s says for me |
05:09:30 | Soul-Slayer | Well ok, 15 secs now |
05:09:37 | midgey | only 4 errors |
05:10:02 | Soul-Slayer | Nearly didn't see them too, tacked right on the end |
05:11:04 | TiMiD[FD] | ach die scheisse IFP7xx sim |
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05:11:30 | Soul-Slayer | Still, easy fix atleast :P |
05:11:45 | TiMiD[FD] | 'LCD_PIXELFORMAT' undeclared |
05:11:52 | TiMiD[FD] | doesn't sounds that good |
05:12:02 | TiMiD[FD] | I would have prefered some forgotten files ... |
05:12:36 | TiMiD[FD] | sounds like it's not a problem with my code if it only fails with this target on the sim |
05:12:43 | Soul-Slayer | Well, the IFP7 doesn't get built mostly, can't you just do an #ifndef IFP7WHATEVERITIS around what you want included? |
05:13:11 | Soul-Slayer | All the plugins are blocked from being built on the IFP7 iirc |
05:13:22 | TiMiD[FD] | hmm I've better fix that, it's only for the sim |
05:13:37 | Soul-Slayer | #ifndef SIMULATOR ^^? |
05:13:38 | TiMiD[FD] | the error is not in the plugins |
05:13:57 | Soul-Slayer | Well, if you look in the plugins/sources |
05:14:02 | TiMiD[FD] | ah ok there is no target for ifp ... |
05:14:15 | Soul-Slayer | theres an #ifndef IRIVER_IFP7XX_SERIES encasing all of them |
05:15:09 | Soul-Slayer | This is probably a good time to point out I only begun learning C a few days ago and my views are worth next to nothing, but thats how I see it. |
05:15:42 | midgey | TiMiD[FD]: can you take a look and see if FS #6583 is still valid after your clock changes? |
05:16:23 | TiMiD[FD] | Soul-Slayer: I'll just make a dummy LCD_PIXELFORMAT for the ifp sim I think ... |
05:16:24 | Soul-Slayer | Wow, it's late... I just put '6583' into google and wondered why I got search results.. |
05:16:43 | TiMiD[FD] | midgey: I take a look |
05:17:09 | midgey | ok, i haven't taken a look, but its related to clock |
05:17:11 | TiMiD[FD] | the web site is so slow |
05:17:14 | TiMiD[FD] | from japan |
05:17:20 | midgey | have to keep the track clean :) |
05:17:28 | midgey | s/track/tracker |
05:18:33 | TiMiD[FD] | midgey: that patch was obsolete even before my commit |
05:18:38 | Soul-Slayer | Has anyone noticed in the plugins/sources file, there are like 4 different ways people have got around the screen size issue |
05:18:59 | midgey | TiMiD[FD]: feel free to close it |
05:19:10 | TiMiD[FD] | I don't have any rights on the tracker |
05:19:14 | TiMiD[FD] | badly |
05:19:38 | midgey | ok, ill close it then |
05:19:49 | Soul-Slayer | One where they say 'Aslong as ipod mini and iriver h10 aren't defined', another where 'lcd width isn't equal to 128', one where 'lcd width is greater than 128', another where it has to be > 138.. I see no reason they couldn't have put them all in the same sections |
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05:21:14 | Soul-Slayer | Not that optimization is really necessary in a 'sources' file, it just looks messy :p |
05:21:17 | TiMiD[FD] | Soul-Slayer: well it could be cleaner, feel free to make a patch :) |
05:21:34 | TiMiD[FD] | I'll happily commit it if you don't have svn access |
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05:21:42 | midgey | the if around brickmania seems unnecessary |
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05:22:22 | Soul-Slayer | The majority of the ifs are unnecessary |
05:22:38 | Soul-Slayer | If you look at them carefully, a lot are just saying the exact same thing in a slightly different way |
05:22:47 | Soul-Slayer | Look at superdom.c tacked on the bottom |
05:23:03 | Soul-Slayer | if > 138, so as to avoid those targets... Could have been put in any of the other 3 :p |
05:23:19 | Soul-Slayer | Sorry if someone here put that there ;$ |
05:23:33 | TiMiD[FD] | uh ? |
05:24:21 | TiMiD[FD] | doesn't sounds that weird |
05:24:48 | TiMiD[FD] | maybe the defines depends on what kind of issue prevents the plugin from being built on a target |
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05:25:17 | TiMiD[FD] | if they specify screen constraints, it must be that bitmaps are not there for the target |
05:25:28 | TiMiD[FD] | else maybe someother issues not display related |
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05:25:41 | Soul-Slayer | Yes, but if you look at the constraints, a lot of them are just copies of the others but syntaxed differently |
05:25:59 | TiMiD[FD] | ah ? |
05:26:22 | TiMiD[FD] | I don't see by what LCD_WIDTH>138 could be replaced |
05:26:26 | Soul-Slayer | EG #if (LCD_DEPTH >= 2) && !defined(IPOD_MINI) && !defined(IPOD_MINI2G) && !defined(IRIVER_H10_5GB) Is the same as simply saying #if LCD_WIDTH > 128 |
05:27:02 | TiMiD[FD] | but I may be wrong because yesterday I drank until 3am and I awoke today at 6am to send a friend to the airport ... |
05:27:05 | TiMiD[FD] | (my life) |
05:27:15 | Soul-Slayer | Youch :p |
05:27:25 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: There are devices with 128 screens, and 138 screens |
05:27:34 | Llorean | So >128 would compile for the 138, >138 wouldn't |
05:27:46 | Llorean | !=128 would compile for the 112 and the 138, but not the 128 |
05:28:19 | Soul-Slayer | Which targets have a 138? Just the IFP? |
05:28:24 | Llorean | LCD_WIDTH > 128 includes iPod Mini, btw, so your above statement doesn't quite work. |
05:28:31 | Llorean | The iPod Mini is 138x110 |
05:28:51 | Soul-Slayer | Ahhh, that's what I've been seeing wrong then... Oops ;$ |
05:28:58 | Llorean | I think the iFP is 128x64 |
05:29:03 | Soul-Slayer | I thought Mini was 128, everyone ignore my babblings. |
05:29:16 | TiMiD[FD] | By looking at that file I've got an idea, I'll convert other charcell only plugin to the bitmaps target |
05:29:23 | TiMiD[FD] | my new mission if I accept it |
05:29:32 | Llorean | I'm about 80% sure the iFP is the same as the iRiver Hxxx remotes |
05:29:35 | TiMiD[FD] | euroconverter shouldn't be too hard |
05:30:17 | Soul-Slayer | I still think though that #if (LCD_DEPTH >= 2) && !defined(IPOD_MINI) && !defined(IPOD_MINI2G) && !defined(IRIVER_H10_5GB) should just be '#if LCD_WIDTH > 138' would look far neater, and could include the superdom.c that's on the bottom |
05:30:27 | Soul-Slayer | Well, it can anyway, but that's still a really long statement |
05:31:17 | Soul-Slayer | Although, I can understand this specificity for when new ports come in that may be really long and not very tall or similar. |
05:31:59 | Soul-Slayer | I just like things kept as short and sweet as possible =$ |
05:34:11 | Llorean | Soul-Slayer: Yes, but that assumes no future target with LCD_DEPTH = 1 or =2 and width > 138 |
05:34:30 | Soul-Slayer | I realise that now :p |
05:34:53 | Llorean | It's nice to have things not break while a new target is being introduced, without having to track down various changes because something was done the short 'n sweet way. :-P |
05:38:38 | Soul-Slayer | Understood :-). And sources don't really need to be size managed so I'm just being somewhat picky, you'll have to excuse me :p |
05:38:59 | Soul-Slayer | I think I'll head to bed before I say something else without thinking it through ;) Night all. |
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07:01:55 | ddalton | How do the key maps work? |
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07:17:15 | alienbiker99 | is the ifp7xx supported by rockbox? just wondering because of the lastest svn commit |
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07:20:22 | homielowe | Does anyone remember when the zune came out and there was no disk access? And somehow later it was enabled with the help of some "zune hackers"(oxymoron) would this also relate with no disk access on the gigabeat S, or needs more investigation |
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07:23:51 | alienbiker99 | no it was tried in the very beginning. its a decieving description. the disk access was basically making it show up in my computer, just like any other mtp device |
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07:32:06 | homielowe | alienbiker99: ok |
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07:54:09 | safetydan | alienbiker99, a port to ifp7xx was in progress but I think it stalled due to lack of time. |
07:54:13 | safetydan | only one person was working on it |
07:54:20 | alienbiker99 | oh i see |
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08:08:01 | ddalton | What files should I look at to change the voicing of the time to 12 hour? |
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08:23:20 | war59312 | anyone here with a iPod Nano 1st gen working with rockbox ? |
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08:24:15 | war59312 | trying to get this working for the first time...keeps crashing when i try and play a song...read faq and manual and no help :( |
08:25:11 | ddalton | can someone take a look at p7525 and tell me if it is ok or not. Also could someone tell me if I have done the line indents right for that patch? |
08:35:51 | war59312 | the crash is "Data abort at 01F0838A" tried latest daily build and same thing |
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08:54:35 | war59312 | old build from 2007-07-26 working :) |
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09:50:28 | amiconn | TiMiD[FD]: Why didn't you define the correct pixelformat for iFP? |
09:51:18 | amiconn | #define LCD_PIXELFORMAT VERTICAL_PACKING is the correct value |
09:51:26 | amiconn | (like the archoses) |
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10:12:38 | TiMiD[FD] | amiconn: I didn't knew, I looked on the wiki but it's not documented |
10:13:05 | TiMiD[FD] | I don't even know which type of LCD it is |
10:13:32 | amiconn | Well, one hint is which lcd driver is compiled for a target |
10:14:25 | TiMiD[FD] | haha yes, but I only slept 3 hours tonight ... |
10:14:42 | amiconn | But the target didn't even compile last time I tried, and tomal has not been around lately |
10:15:09 | TiMiD[FD] | yep seems that the port is not advancing very quickly |
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10:15:14 | TiMiD[FD] | even stalled |
10:15:26 | TiMiD[FD] | I hope it won't die like the gemini |
10:16:14 | amiconn | And that does not only have to do with it being a single person port. |
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10:16:34 | TiMiD[FD] | ah ? |
10:16:36 | amiconn | Some other ports also only have a single dev owning the target |
10:17:01 | amiconn | I wonder whether tomal might have lost interest... |
10:17:34 | TiMiD[FD] | the port has to become mature enough to attract other developpers |
10:17:55 | TiMiD[FD] | reverse engineering can be fun, but not anyone has the time to do it |
10:18:03 | TiMiD[FD] | (nor the skills) |
10:26:15 | TiMiD[FD] | amiconn: by the way, did you wrote the triangle routnes in xlcd_draw.c ? |
10:26:59 | TiMiD[FD] | there is a problem, when the triangle is an horizontal or vertical line it disappears |
10:27:13 | TiMiD[FD] | look at the clock plugin for example |
10:27:44 | TiMiD[FD] | on color lcd when the hand comes near to the vertical position |
10:27:56 | TiMiD[FD] | the thin end disappears |
10:29:50 | TiMiD[FD] | when the triangle thickness becomes less than a pixel around the edges, it would maybe be a good idea to set it to one pixel ? |
10:30:14 | TiMiD[FD] | but that may affect performances on drawings |
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10:32:31 | ddalton | where can I find examples of key maps? |
10:32:37 | ddalton | in the rockbox source |
10:33:02 | TiMiD[FD] | ? |
10:33:59 | amiconn | Yes I did write the triangle routines. And the triangles disappearing when the vertices are in line is on purpose |
10:34:54 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
10:34:59 | amiconn | ..because you're then looking at the "side" of the triangle (in 3D space), and triangles have no thickness |
10:35:21 | amiconn | These routines are used in cube.c |
10:36:45 | TiMiD[FD] | it makes small triangle disappear on a screen while not on another if the 2 screens use a different pixel packing |
10:36:58 | TiMiD[FD] | that just looks weird |
10:37:20 | ddalton | when I write a function for main_menu.c where should it go at the top of the file under the #includes? |
10:37:25 | TiMiD[FD] | it makes sense on the cube though |
10:37:50 | amiconn | These triangle routines only draw what's strictly inside the defined triangle. That's correct for 3D graphics |
10:38:16 | amiconn | But we could have another triangle function for 2D graphics that doesn't do this |
10:38:22 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
10:38:33 | TiMiD[FD] | actually |
10:38:38 | TiMiD[FD] | they don't |
10:38:45 | amiconn | Or you can simulate this by drawing a triange + 3 lines |
10:38:54 | TiMiD[FD] | they makes the triangle disappear in one case, not in the other |
10:39:01 | amiconn | eh? |
10:39:27 | TiMiD[FD] | look at the clock hands on the plugin |
10:39:48 | TiMiD[FD] | there is a case where it disappears, and another when it doesn't |
10:39:59 | TiMiD[FD] | for same sized triangle with different orientations |
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10:52:54 | pixelma | TiMiD[FD]: checked your mail? |
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10:56:44 | TiMiD[FD] | pixelma: uh ? |
10:57:07 | TiMiD[FD] | no rb related mail no :) |
10:58:07 | safetydan | TiMiD[FD], are you signed up for the committers mailing list? |
10:58:36 | TiMiD[FD] | no ... |
10:58:43 | TiMiD[FD] | I used to be |
10:59:00 | TiMiD[FD] | what's the matter ? |
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11:00:07 | TiMiD[FD] | g2g in 3min |
11:01:57 | pixelma | something about your clock plugin commits |
11:02:14 | TiMiD[FD] | where can I read it then ? |
11:03:02 | TiMiD[FD] | any problem ? |
11:03:03 | JdGordon | someone will need to forwaerd it to you |
11:03:09 | JdGordon | midkay is not a happy chappy :p |
11:03:29 | TiMiD[FD] | kevinferrare at gmail.com |
11:04:07 | pixelma | who does? Not that he gets it x-times now :D |
11:04:34 | JdGordon | he either gets its 30 times, or none :D |
11:05:07 | TiMiD[FD] | back in 3 hours |
11:06:50 | * | amiconn is running his first runtime test on 2nd gen |
11:06:55 | amiconn | I expect 13+ hours... |
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11:11:16 | amiconn | (13 hours would be on par given what apple states, taken the Newertech battery into account) |
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11:16:14 | ddalton | who on here knows about key maps |
11:17:37 | * | JdGordon does |
11:17:43 | ddalton | so doesn't anyone here know about the keymaps? |
11:18:15 | JdGordon | ddalton: i do... whats the problem? |
11:19:37 | ddalton | JdGordon I want to right a patch that uses the record button. So can you explain to me how the keymaps on the iriver h300 work and where I can find the code for them? |
11:20:22 | JdGordon | do you understand how to use actions? |
11:20:38 | ddalton | no |
11:20:44 | ddalton | are they functions? |
11:21:04 | JdGordon | no |
11:21:11 | ddalton | what are they |
11:21:48 | JdGordon | umm... have a look at apps/keymaps/keymap-iriverhxxx.c (or something like that), and do a search for BUTTON_REC |
11:22:03 | ddalton | ok then I will give that a go. |
11:22:33 | JdGordon | the first column is the value which gets returned if the button combo in the 2nd column is pressed |
11:22:56 | ddalton | Also I want to change the voicing of the time to 12 hour format. What files should I be looking at? Does anyone know how I should do this? |
11:22:57 | JdGordon | then in code you check the return value from get_action() |
11:23:15 | JdGordon | cant help you there... |
11:24:56 | ddalton | JdGordon should one of the comment lines say /* Button Code Definitions for iriver h100/h300 target */ |
11:25:06 | JdGordon | yes |
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11:25:13 | ddalton | ok |
11:25:14 | JdGordon | thats the keymap file for the irivers |
11:25:21 | JdGordon | its a bit of a scary file :p |
11:26:46 | ddalton | JdGordon am I looking for the line { ACTION_STD_REC, BUTTON_REC|BUTTON_REPEAT, BUTTON_NONE }, |
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11:28:15 | JdGordon | thats an example.... what exactly do you want to do with it? |
11:29:04 | ddalton | Well I want to make the rec button go to the fmradio on a short press and on a long press voice the time. Is that possible? |
11:29:52 | JdGordon | yeah, in the wps I guess? |
11:30:23 | ddalton | So I don't need to modify that keymap file you told me about before? |
11:30:29 | JdGordon | you do |
11:30:53 | JdGordon | do you want to do this in the wps? or which screen? |
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11:31:35 | ddalton | well all the screens I guess but not the recording screen. |
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11:32:26 | JdGordon | ok, open action.h and in the enum look for ACTION_STD_OK and add a line for each of the actions you wan |
11:32:28 | JdGordon | t |
11:33:00 | JdGordon | then in the keymap file, in the first array add the line similiar to the one you pasted to do what you want |
11:33:24 | JdGordon | then in the code for each screen search for ACTION_STD_OK and in the switch add a case for the actions you added and add the code there |
11:33:29 | ddalton | ok sounds very complicated. |
11:33:35 | JdGordon | for radio you just need to get it to return GO_TO_RADIO |
11:33:40 | JdGordon | not really :) |
11:34:09 | ddalton | ok so can you tell me a patch that I could look at that uses the rec button to do different things? |
11:34:17 | ddalton | I couldn't find one before. |
11:34:27 | JdGordon | 5555 I tihnk will help you |
11:35:16 | ddalton | ok thanks for that. |
11:35:51 | ddalton | and JdGordon do you know where I should be writing functions in main_menu.c? |
11:36:05 | JdGordon | anywhere... doesnt really matter |
11:36:11 | JdGordon | why are you adding funcitons there though? |
11:36:52 | ddalton | I am working on a couple of patches and I couldn't get my time one to work so I am going to try this button thing now. |
11:37:16 | JdGordon | ok |
11:38:41 | JdGordon | ddalton: are you syncing hte patch to talk all the splash screens? |
11:39:02 | ddalton | Ok I will do that one now. |
11:39:30 | ddalton | Where are the errors cause I am using a screen reader and it doesn't always say the hunk errors only some of them. |
11:39:43 | ddalton | and then when it is done half the stuff is off the screen. |
11:40:32 | JdGordon | I dont know, but thats a great patch which should et commited.... |
11:40:39 | * | JdGordon doesnt even know if it needs a sync |
11:40:39 | Domonoky | ddalton: if the patch command fails to patch it creates .rej files.. have a look at this files.. |
11:41:50 | ddalton | JdGordon if I add it and it compiles fine will that be ok or do I need to get rid of all the hunk errors. |
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11:42:39 | ddalton | What about 6138 are you looking to commit that? I find it useful even though it is a small patch. |
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11:44:12 | JdGordon | which is 6138? |
11:44:19 | JdGordon | no, hunk errors are bad |
11:44:33 | JdGordon | it means some part of the patch was skipped |
11:45:04 | ddalton | Should I add it and then find the errors and fix them? is that the best way of doing it? |
11:46:09 | JdGordon | yes |
11:46:53 | ddalton | and have a look at p6323 6171 and 6138. Do you think these would be useful to blind users? |
11:47:50 | * | JdGordon doesnt use voice but assumes any patch which adds more would be useful |
11:48:29 | amiconn | Not in general |
11:48:46 | amiconn | We need to keep an eye on voice file size |
11:49:10 | amiconn | langv2 will help somewhat with that |
11:49:13 | JdGordon | yikes... new zip download icons! |
11:49:18 | ddalton | does english.lang have the voice string filled in for Peak Filter 3 |
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11:49:43 | JdGordon | by yikes I mean, nice work, a bit of a shock though, but nice |
11:49:50 | JdGordon | pixelma: your handywork? |
11:50:37 | ddalton | JdGordon can you look at p7525 and tell me if it is ok? It was my first patch that is all. |
11:51:06 | * | petur begins to hope nothing serious happened to austriancoder, last seen 15 days ago :( |
11:52:37 | JdGordon | ddalton: apart from the whitespace additions it looks ok, assumign that works... does output_dyn_value talk the number? |
11:52:54 | pixelma | JdGordon: those are scaled down versions of the svgs used in the manuals - I drew these (except the Sansa one where someone else helped), bluebrother took the time to scale them down (and take the text out again) |
11:53:10 | JdGordon | ok, nice work |
11:53:14 | ddalton | yes |
11:53:19 | pixelma | thanks |
11:53:48 | ddalton | what is wrong with the whitespace |
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11:53:59 | ddalton | and did you look at the one in my last comment? |
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11:54:05 | JdGordon | added extra new lines, and forgot tabs |
11:54:26 | JdGordon | no, i didnt even see it :p |
11:54:35 | ddalton | Where were the extra new lines and I thought rockbox doesn't use tabs |
11:54:52 | JdGordon | s/tabs/spaces |
11:54:55 | ddalton | doesn't it use spaces |
11:55:57 | ddalton | where should the spaces be? |
11:56:03 | JdGordon | dont worry, its all good |
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11:56:57 | ddalton | Ok thanks but it is a pointless patch don't you think? Like noone will commit it. |
11:58:34 | JdGordon | I wouldnt use it, but like I said, i dont use voice.... if its wanted it will get commited |
11:58:40 | * | JdGordon wouldnt have a problemm with it going in |
11:59:29 | ddalton | but don't most people no the disk size of there player. but anyway I thought it was a good start. |
11:59:35 | ddalton | to coding on rockbox |
11:59:53 | pixelma | I would suggest to wait with that until after the langV2 patch gets committed - which seems to be verrry close now |
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12:00:40 | ddalton | hey anyone interested in p6323? It sounds good to me but I have never got it to work. |
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12:03:44 | ddalton | JdGordon it seems that misc.c is where the errors are. So I will fix it then can you look at it and see if there are anymore errors I have missed? Cause my screen reader doesn't say everything it should. |
12:04:02 | JdGordon | yeah maybe |
12:04:19 | JdGordon | whats everyones view on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5047 ? just bloat? |
12:06:16 | ddalton | JdGordon I don't really have an opinion on it I am blind so don't use the back light. |
12:06:17 | * | amiconn thinks it's somewhat excessive |
12:06:27 | amiconn | Too many configuration options aren't good |
12:09:37 | amiconn | Speaking about 'First keypress enables backlight only' - I wonder what happens if you have that enabled, and then set backlight to 'Off' ... |
12:09:55 | JdGordon | dunno |
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12:10:29 | JdGordon | is the website in svn? |
12:11:04 | petur | partial and probably outdated |
12:11:14 | ddalton | JdGordon I am updating the patch you told me to (p6159) and just have one question: A line in misc.c says if (battery_level() > 10) so when the battery_level() is >10 then is the battery nott low |
12:11:35 | JdGordon | i guess so |
12:14:37 | ddalton | JdGordon how do you say in c if battery_level <10 and >5? I have just forgotten. So if the battery level is between 5 and 10? |
12:14:53 | ddalton | it is an elseif statement. |
12:15:16 | ddalton | is it els if is that how you write it. |
12:15:29 | ddalton | Actually I will look it up |
12:15:34 | ddalton | the else if thing |
12:16:24 | JdGordon | if (...) { ... } else if (...) {..} ... |
12:19:52 | ddalton | Will if( battery_level () <5 && >10) do something if the battery level is between 5 and 10? |
12:22:33 | safetydan | JdGordon, any particular reason for rejecting FS #6681? |
12:22:35 | JdGordon | no |
12:22:40 | JdGordon | that was to ddalton |
12:23:08 | JdGordon | safetydan: well its not really needed... if your loading a fmr you know whihc region you shuold be set to |
12:24:07 | ddalton | JdGordon how do I check if the battery level is between 5 and 10 and if it is make it do something. Just can you give me the code for the if line. |
12:24:16 | safetydan | JdGordon, righto. At first glance it seemed like it might be useful. |
12:24:26 | JdGordon | if (blaa < 5 && blaa > 10) |
12:25:14 | ddalton | ok |
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12:27:21 | ddalton | JdGordon will else if (battery_level () < 10 && > 5) work? |
12:27:27 | JdGordon | no |
12:27:35 | ddalton | y? |
12:27:46 | JdGordon | because |
12:27:55 | JdGordon | && > 5 will give a syntax error |
12:28:00 | ddalton | what is wrong with it? |
12:28:08 | JdGordon | if (blaa < 5 && blaa > 10) is corect |
12:28:17 | JdGordon | just replace blaa with battery_level |
12:28:42 | ddalton | what about the els if |
12:29:57 | amiconn | Interesting... it seems like an interrupt arriving at the interrupt controller will wake up the corresponding CPU core if the interrupt type (GPIO etc) is enabled, even if interrupts are disabled in CPSR. |
12:30:16 | amiconn | The core will wake up, but not jump to the ISR (which is correct) |
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12:31:31 | ddalton | JdGordon else if (battery_level() < 5 && battery_level () > 10) will that work? |
12:31:44 | JdGordon | yes |
12:32:05 | ddalton | ok thank you |
12:32:15 | JdGordon | amiconn: i guess that makes sense... it needs to wake up to check if the interrupt is enabled or not? |
12:37:49 | amiconn | Hmm, I think that's spot on. The sleep function isn't a function of the arm core itself |
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12:38:07 | amiconn | It's portalplayer specific. |
12:39:01 | amiconn | ANd it's in fact necessary to make suspend mode work. The core must wake on interrupt (e.g. button interrupt), but the isr can't be taken as the vectors are in SDRAM, which is put into standby mode |
12:39:29 | amiconn | And the vectors can't be moved to IRAM because IRAM can't be mapped to 0x0, which is where arm interrupt vectors reside |
12:42:23 | amiconn | Now that suspend function from the OF actually makes sense to me |
12:43:04 | amiconn | In fact I already have a build with working suspend (and reboot after wake up), but I can't publish that as it's a gpl incompatible hack |
12:43:14 | ddalton | hey what does sleep(1); do i have seen it a lot in the source? |
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12:46:38 | ddalton | JdGordon is there a "Charging" voice thing in english.lang |
12:46:50 | ddalton | cause I am still doing this patch 6159 |
12:47:51 | ddalton | JdGordon it doesn't matter I found it in english.lang. |
12:53:35 | ddalton | JdGordon do you want me to update p6138 |
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12:59:31 | JdGordon | amiconn: gpl incompatable hack? |
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13:01:52 | amiconn | yes |
13:02:47 | ddalton | What does a hunk start with in a diff file. So for each hunk what is at the start of them? |
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13:19:30 | * | markun too |
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13:23:55 | amiconn | hehe |
13:25:20 | ddalton | JdGordon when I add a patch and it fails how do I remove it? I applied it with p0. |
13:25:28 | ddalton | it is the talkmore one |
13:30:48 | markun | ddalton: patch -R -p0 < file.patch |
13:33:27 | ddalton | I now have a bit of a problem for english.lang the patch won't add the voice strings. so will i have to add them all by hand? |
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13:45:38 | ddalton | Ok a simple question here that I don't know the answer to how do I make the voice in rockbox say "1" |
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13:57:50 | TiMiD[FD] | how do you sign up for the commiters mailing list ? |
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14:06:07 | ddalton | TiMiD look at the mailing lists link on the front page. |
14:09:26 | JdGordon | TiMiD[FD]: you need special permission.... did someone forward yout he email? |
14:10:37 | ddalton | where can I find all the time code? so the code that voices the current time and maybe displays it (I don't know if it displays it or not.) but if someone can tell me where the time code is thaat would be good. |
14:11:02 | ddalton | that I mean |
14:15:14 | TiMiD[FD] | JdGordon: yes I read it in the train on my cellphone |
14:15:22 | JdGordon | :) |
14:15:24 | TiMiD[FD] | I would like to reply to him at least |
14:15:34 | TiMiD[FD] | he seemed desperated :( |
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14:38:09 | XavierGr | OK, Rockbox bootloader on H100 from svn hangs at ata_init() |
14:38:17 | XavierGr | I wonder why.... |
14:38:27 | JdGordon | your a brave man for trying the svn bootloader :p |
14:38:36 | JdGordon | pixelma: you round? |
14:38:44 | salty-horse | does rockbox cache the next song in the playlist? I have set gapless playback, and I'm still hearing silence for a split second between two "tracks" |
14:38:54 | JdGordon | yes |
14:39:06 | JdGordon | any silence there is in the track... rockbox doesnt intentially add any |
14:39:09 | pixelma | JdGordon: not really |
14:39:14 | XavierGr | JdGordon: I thought so too at start, but if you don't change any code that starts the OF then you are safe |
14:39:22 | TiMiD[FD] | XavierGr: haha what error ? |
14:39:37 | XavierGr | TiMiD[FD]: no error it just hangs there |
14:39:49 | XavierGr | my printf after ata_init doens't show up at all |
14:40:01 | XavierGr | but the previous just before does |
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14:40:10 | JdGordon | pixelma: ok, well anyway, im working on the organising the rocks dir patch, what do you rekon about moving all the config files into the plugins folders? or just leave them in /rocks? |
14:40:39 | JdGordon | hey aliask |
14:40:48 | TiMiD[FD] | XavierGr: why do you want to change the bootloader ? |
14:40:49 | aliask | Evening! |
14:41:18 | JdGordon | you get up to much? im so bored here :p |
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14:41:47 | aliask | Just got home from work, but I got work tomorrow morning as well, so I'll probably hit the hay soon |
14:41:52 | ToHellWithGA | is it possible my ipod just up and died last night after only a few hours of use? |
14:42:01 | XavierGr | TiMiD[FD]: I want to make it to not enter on USB mode if there is a USB cable (or enter USB by pressing a button) |
14:42:03 | ToHellWithGA | i held the play/pause button to turn the thing off |
14:42:09 | ToHellWithGA | and now i can't figure out how to turn it back on |
14:42:15 | XavierGr | TiMiD[FD]: it has to do with USB charging |
14:43:17 | TiMiD[FD] | haha good luck ! |
14:43:32 | TiMiD[FD] | and have fun ... |
14:43:34 | JdGordon | what does everyone think about moving the viewers into rocks/viewers? |
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14:43:45 | XavierGr | well I will put some printfs in ata_init too but I don't have high chances fixing it |
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14:43:55 | XavierGr | maybe I need Linus for that :\ |
14:44:09 | XavierGr | JdGordon: sounds nice |
14:44:59 | JdGordon | so we have (under /rocks) apps, games, viewers, demos... anything else? |
14:45:08 | JdGordon | some plugins will go striaght in rocks |
14:45:26 | aliask | What about ones that may fit into two categories? |
14:46:09 | JdGordon | like? |
14:46:16 | aliask | text_viewer? |
14:46:22 | aliask | app/viewer? |
14:46:44 | JdGordon | umm, maybe we just use apps for both? |
14:47:35 | aliask | Ah, we can set where we point filetypes in viewers.config anyway can't we? |
14:47:45 | aliask | So yes, that sounds fine |
14:48:24 | JdGordon | grr... forgot about viewers.config... bit more work than just moving filenames around.. :( |
14:48:33 | JdGordon | but yeah |
14:51:35 | pixelma | sudoku is also both - plugin and viewer |
14:51:46 | JdGordon | sudoku will go in games |
14:51:54 | JdGordon | vu_meter... apps or demo? |
14:52:12 | pixelma | but I have no time discussing something now, preparing to leave |
14:52:13 | aliask | pixelma: Yes, but we can point the ss files to rocks/games/sudoku.rock in viewers.conf |
14:52:50 | aliask | JdGordon: Demo IMO |
14:53:02 | aliask | It doesn't really serve any functional purpose |
14:53:40 | JdGordon | ok |
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14:57:32 | eth01 | does this work on the ipod nano yet? |
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14:58:10 | * | JdGordon wonders what "this" is? |
14:58:27 | eth01 | smartarse |
14:58:30 | eth01 | this = rockbox |
14:58:35 | eth01 | guess not |
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14:58:41 | JdGordon | haha moron |
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15:06:14 | * | JdGordon just realised how old this patch is! may 06 |
15:06:47 | * | daurn wonders what "this" is? |
15:07:54 | JdGordon | :D |
15:07:59 | JdGordon | organising the rocks dir |
15:08:59 | aliask | lol good call daurn |
15:09:24 | daurn | :D |
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15:23:38 | rasher | JdGordon, are you considering translations? |
15:23:53 | JdGordon | not for filenames, but for folder names |
15:24:11 | JdGordon | I have it now that the plugins browser shows a submenu for unsorted, games, apps and demos |
15:24:45 | rasher | Unsorted? |
15:25:49 | JdGordon | rocks which dont really go anywhere |
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15:38:51 | rasher | JdGordon, Why can't a category be found for those? |
15:39:08 | JdGordon | they could be |
15:39:31 | * | JdGordon hates playign in buildzip.pl :p |
15:39:51 | rasher | Or at least something nicer than "Unsorted". Sounds so unfinished. "Misc" perhaps? |
15:40:24 | JdGordon | yeah, well unsorted was just the first thing that came ot my mind.... ill fix that later |
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16:08:30 | JdGordon | rasher: 5464 is the patch if you want to have a look |
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16:59:21 | Falen | Anybody there? |
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17:00:39 | markun | Falen: I'm here |
17:00:51 | Falen | Hi! |
17:00:55 | markun | hi :) |
17:01:47 | Falen | I'm here cause I'm still stuck with how to load an image with Rockbox |
17:02:15 | markun | I've never done it myself either |
17:02:30 | markun | what's unclear about it? |
17:02:55 | Falen | int read_bmp_file(char* filename, |
17:02:56 | Falen | struct bitmap *bm, |
17:02:58 | Falen | int maxsize, |
17:03:00 | Falen | int format) |
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17:03:18 | Falen | I don't know why it asks for Maxsize |
17:03:52 | markun | probably because you have to allocate some space for it and it shouldn't write past that |
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17:04:56 | Falen | Ok |
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17:05:15 | markun | what are you trying to make? |
17:05:22 | markun | some plugin? |
17:05:31 | Falen | Yes. A simple game |
17:06:08 | Falen | struct bitmap image; |
17:06:10 | markun | maybe take a look at some other games we have |
17:06:18 | Falen | I have done that. |
17:06:19 | markun | sudoku for example |
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17:06:33 | TiMiD[FD] | Falen: if you wanna use images, take a look at the other graphical plugins |
17:06:53 | TiMiD[FD] | they doesn't load bitmaps from external files, they are compiled inside |
17:07:20 | Falen | I know. But I don't know how to make it compile the image |
17:07:38 | TiMiD[FD] | look at the clock plugin |
17:07:48 | TiMiD[FD] | clock_bitmaps.c |
17:07:54 | TiMiD[FD] | it's only loading images |
17:08:33 | TiMiD[FD] | the images are put inside a directory and converted to display format |
17:09:10 | TiMiD[FD] | all you have to do after that is to include the appropriate .h (it has the name of your picture) |
17:09:50 | TiMiD[FD] | pictures are stored in bitmaps/native and bitmaps/remote_native |
17:10:06 | Falen | Ok |
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17:11:59 | * | TiMiD[FD] wonders if it's the right time to add his name to the clock plugin maintainer ... |
17:12:47 | Llorean | You're only the maintainer if you intend to be the one who fixes the code and keeps it up to date in the future. |
17:13:17 | Llorean | At least for plugins, this is how it should be, I think. |
17:13:41 | TiMiD[FD] | I intend to |
17:14:10 | TiMiD[FD] | at least as long as we'll walk the same path |
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17:14:55 | markun | TiMiD[FD]: what does that mean? |
17:16:15 | TiMiD[FD] | erm |
17:16:17 | Llorean | markun: I assume "as long as I'm involved in the project" |
17:16:22 | TiMiD[FD] | french english I suppose |
17:16:25 | TiMiD[FD] | yep |
17:17:25 | TiMiD[FD] | how would yousaythat in english ? |
17:17:44 | Falen | So, If i got it right. I just create a header file with a variable name that has the same name as the image file? |
17:17:56 | markun | TiMiD[FD]: as Llorean said it :) |
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17:19:11 | TiMiD[FD] | Falen: no, just put your bitmaps in the appropriate folder, add them to the SOURCES files and your headers will be created |
17:19:33 | TiMiD[FD] | markun: this is not a very poetic way of saying that :) |
17:19:49 | markun | but everyone will understand it, even I! :) |
17:19:54 | Falen | Oh, it's that simple |
17:20:46 | XavierGr | how many writecycles does the flash chip can withstand again? |
17:20:56 | markun | 100.000? |
17:21:04 | markun | depends on the chip I guess |
17:21:30 | XavierGr | heh I am on the safe side then |
17:21:33 | belze__ | but most do 100.000 |
17:21:34 | TiMiD[FD] | yeah don't flash too often :p |
17:21:42 | XavierGr | flashed around 15 times today |
17:22:15 | TiMiD[FD] | 18 years left .... |
17:22:20 | XavierGr | hehe |
17:22:29 | XavierGr | well still I am going from function to function |
17:22:38 | markun | TiMiD[FD]: and 8.5 months :) |
17:22:43 | XavierGr | can say that I know what's wrong with the svn bootloader |
17:22:45 | XavierGr | can't |
17:22:59 | Llorean | Why not revert to the working bootloader revision? |
17:23:03 | TiMiD[FD] | -_- |
17:23:06 | Llorean | I seem to recall hearing mention there's a tag in SVN for it. |
17:23:26 | TiMiD[FD] | because XavierGr loves adventure |
17:23:33 | XavierGr | is it know which version the official bootloader is? |
17:23:33 | Llorean | Ah yes |
17:23:38 | XavierGr | ^knoan |
17:23:45 | XavierGr | ^known too |
17:24:24 | XavierGr | because I will gladly do what I want to with a working bootloader |
17:24:35 | TiMiD[FD] | XavierGr: have you tried the new clock plugin ? |
17:24:45 | Falen | Anybody knows what is means when rockbox says *panic* on the screen? |
17:24:59 | TiMiD[FD] | Falen: develop on the simulator first |
17:25:08 | TiMiD[FD] | you probably made it segfault |
17:25:30 | Falen | I know, but I can't run the rock files on the simulator |
17:25:55 | XavierGr | TiMiD[FD]: no not yet, but I saw the commit |
17:26:04 | markun | Falen: you can |
17:26:13 | Falen | It gives me an error: Bad Image File |
17:26:19 | markun | at least if they are compiled for the simulator |
17:27:21 | TiMiD[FD] | Falen: make && make install |
17:27:30 | Falen | Oh, lol |
17:28:06 | Falen | My bad, never knew you had to compile it for the simulator (s) |
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17:28:35 | TiMiD[FD] | you don't have to, but it's easier to debug app code |
17:28:37 | Llorean | XavierGr: I believe the working V6 bootloader for H100 is 8010 |
17:28:49 | Llorean | XavierGr: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/tags/ |
17:28:49 | Falen | Ok |
17:28:52 | XavierGr | ok thanks Llorean maybe I will try that |
17:28:53 | markun | Falen: that's why it's not an emulator |
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17:31:30 | XavierGr | ok for the logs, svn bootloader on my H115 seems to hang on ata.c in the ata_init() function somewhere between the init_and_check(coldstart) and/or identify() |
17:31:42 | Llorean | XavierGr: File a bug report? |
17:31:47 | XavierGr | hmm yes |
17:31:56 | TiMiD[FD] | XavierGr: try to identify exacty at which line |
17:32:14 | XavierGr | but I will increment the FS number with another entry :P |
17:32:17 | TiMiD[FD] | it would be nice to know |
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17:32:44 | XavierGr | TiMiD[FD]: it is somewhat difficult because it always goes deeper and deeper into functions |
17:33:03 | TiMiD[FD] | yes ... that's debugging |
17:33:39 | TiMiD[FD] | adds a lot of messages like 1,2,3,4,5 and see where it stops |
17:33:51 | TiMiD[FD] | that's how I do at least |
17:35:59 | XavierGr | yeah that's what I am doing |
17:36:07 | TiMiD[FD] | ha ok |
17:36:16 | TiMiD[FD] | ganbatte ! |
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17:45:44 | ComposerDude | Does anyone have a "quick" (HA!) answer: How similar are the cpu instruction sets for Rockbox targets? |
17:46:00 | TiMiD[FD] | ha ? |
17:46:26 | TiMiD[FD] | for targets with different cpu they are ... different! |
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17:47:45 | ComposerDude | Well, of course, but I'm looking at the possibility of porting a dynamic-recompile emulation method. |
17:48:10 | TiMiD[FD] | rockboy ? |
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17:48:58 | ComposerDude | Is rockboy D-C? I'm with the TuxNES port project. |
17:49:07 | TiMiD[FD] | oh ok |
17:50:30 | ComposerDude | Anything we can possibly do for TuxNES i'm sure can be patched for Rockboy if such is the case... but thats probably a few weeks/months away. |
17:51:08 | TiMiD[FD] | for your assembly related questions, ask an assembly guru here |
17:51:42 | TiMiD[FD] | amiconn ? |
17:52:33 | TiMiD[FD] | markun maybe |
17:52:47 | TiMiD[FD] | I don't know exactly who |
17:53:01 | ComposerDude | From my limited understanding, is D-C strictly limited to assembly? If you don't know, that's just fine :) |
17:53:04 | XavierGr | ok last flash, I give up :( |
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17:54:24 | ComposerDude | TiMiD[FD]: None of the gurus are on right now... I'll try back later. Thanks ;D |
17:54:33 | XavierGr | time to fill the bug report then |
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17:55:09 | TiMiD[FD] | ComposerDude: I don't really know that much about DC, but it involves assembly yes |
17:55:31 | TiMiD[FD] | to recognisepatterns in code and take advantage of the target cpu's possibilities |
17:55:39 | TiMiD[FD] | XavierGr: fight ! |
17:55:56 | TiMiD[FD] | still 99985 flash to go :) |
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17:57:26 | XavierGr | heh, it crashes on a function called SET_REG and I am too bored to see where that function is declared |
17:57:43 | TiMiD[FD] | haha you're close ! |
17:57:50 | TiMiD[FD] | set_reg is a macro I think |
17:58:40 | TiMiD[FD] | :#define SET_REG(reg,val) reg = (val) |
17:59:02 | XavierGr | it is called all over the place |
17:59:12 | TiMiD[FD] | yes |
17:59:19 | TiMiD[FD] | to set registers I guess ^^ |
17:59:22 | XavierGr | I can' |
17:59:36 | XavierGr | t imagine why it crashes on that specific one, though it might be the first |
17:59:54 | TiMiD[FD] | it crashes or it hangs ? |
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18:00:00 | XavierGr | hangs |
18:00:03 | TiMiD[FD] | ok |
18:00:06 | XavierGr | backlight is on forever |
18:00:11 | TiMiD[FD] | doesn't pass that instruction then |
18:00:41 | TiMiD[FD] | which line ? |
18:01:18 | XavierGr | it is on ata.c function ata_hard_reset. after the call to ata_reset it hangs |
18:01:24 | TiMiD[FD] | although it's a simple affectation, but could be a hardware problem ... |
18:01:25 | XavierGr | ata_reset seems to work |
18:03:36 | TiMiD[FD] | my booloader is from 1 or 2 month ago and works |
18:03:59 | TiMiD[FD] | you should try tosee from which revision in ata.c it started to crash |
18:05:48 | XavierGr | okay I will try to see what will happen with older revisions |
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18:26:04 | Falen | TiMiD[FD] are you there? |
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18:27:08 | XavierGr | yay revision 11000 worked! |
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18:38:11 | shiftplusone | Hey... is it ok to ask a non rockbox specific, ipod related question here? |
18:38:34 | salty-horse | no harm in asking :) |
18:38:51 | alienbiker99 | oh wow the icons on the current build page changed |
18:39:08 | shiftplusone | ok, I noticed rockbox was playing some mp3s not right... it kept jumping back and forth and making random noises |
18:39:16 | TiMiD[FD] | Falen: I'm gere |
18:39:17 | shiftplusone | I played it on the computer and the same thing happened.... |
18:39:44 | shiftplusone | comparing the file I have that's on my HD (that works) and the one on the ipod (that doesn't) they both have the same md5sum... |
18:39:51 | shiftplusone | so... was wondering what might be causing that? |
18:40:11 | alienbiker99 | bad sync? |
18:40:12 | shiftplusone | any chance the ipod hard drive is trying to say good-bye? |
18:40:43 | shiftplusone | bad sync? O_o |
18:42:45 | TiMiD[FD] | shiftplusone: happens sometimes with some mp3 here too |
18:42:59 | TiMiD[FD] | you should try to send the corrupted file to a dev |
18:43:20 | TiMiD[FD] | I mean someone who is familiar the codecs |
18:43:30 | TiMiD[FD] | (+with the= |
18:43:48 | Falen | The lcd_bitmap_transparent function isn't documented. Does it draw the images and skip a color you want? |
18:44:04 | TiMiD[FD] | I don't know I never used it :) |
18:44:10 | Falen | Ok |
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18:44:15 | shiftplusone | Pretty sure the file itself isn't corrupt... think it's an HD problem... because I have another version of the file that works just fine and they're exactly the same. |
18:44:32 | TiMiD[FD] | shiftplusone: 100%sure |
18:44:54 | TiMiD[FD] | if it works on your computer it's a rb problem |
18:45:10 | TiMiD[FD] | Falen: do you need transparency ? |
18:45:20 | Falen | I need to draw an image without the whitespaces, and it seems to do the trick (at least by the name). |
18:45:41 | TiMiD[FD] | whitespaces? |
18:46:07 | TiMiD[FD] | ah I see |
18:46:09 | Falen | I mean the white color that's around the sprite |
18:46:20 | Falen | Not sure what to call it |
18:46:32 | shiftplusone | no no... I copied the file and when I play the new copied version it's not playing properly.... the original plays fine... and the 2 files have the same md5sum (which I assume means they're exactly the same) |
18:46:32 | TiMiD[FD] | transparent ... |
18:46:45 | TiMiD[FD] | transparency represented as white ? |
18:46:49 | Falen | Yeah |
18:46:54 | shiftplusone | I'll copy that file back to hard drive and see what happens. |
18:47:15 | TiMiD[FD] | shiftplusone: so rou're playing the 2 files on the ipod right ? |
18:47:32 | TiMiD[FD] | Falen: then lcd_bitmap_transparent will probably do the trick |
18:47:38 | shiftplusone | play it on the ipod or on the computer... they sound the same. |
18:48:09 | TiMiD[FD] | file stored on the ipod ? |
18:48:29 | TiMiD[FD] | but played from ther computer with the ipod as a mass storage unit ? |
18:48:33 | shiftplusone | yeah.. the one stored on the ipod isn't playinhg right... and I just copied back to the HD and it's still not playing right. |
18:48:43 | TiMiD[FD] | oh ok |
18:48:46 | shiftplusone | TiMiD[FD], yup\ |
18:48:51 | TiMiD[FD] | are you using linux ? |
18:48:57 | shiftplusone | TiMiD[FD], yes |
18:49:18 | TiMiD[FD] | look at the logs, when hdd have corruptions sometimes errors pops |
18:49:37 | TiMiD[FD] | ypou could also try to run badblocks on your ipod |
18:50:29 | TiMiD[FD] | makes me think that a smartctl plugin on targets would be nice |
18:51:14 | TiMiD[FD] | anyway I'm off to bed now |
18:51:24 | shiftplusone | TiMiD[FD], 'night, thanks for the help. |
18:51:44 | TiMiD[FD] | you're welcome |
18:52:21 | TiMiD[FD] | anyway if there is any corruption badnlocks will detect it |
18:52:48 | TiMiD[FD] | http://linux.die.net/man/8/badblocks |
18:52:54 | Falen | There seems to be alot of documentation re: Graphics API missing for rockbox. |
18:53:03 | shiftplusone | TiMiD[FD], ok thanks again. |
18:53:11 | TiMiD[FD] | Falen: yes ... it's not very documented |
18:53:42 | TiMiD[FD] | take a look at the other plugins, that's the best way of doing it |
18:55:50 | shiftplusone | TiMiD[FD], running badblocks... =/ |
18:56:00 | TiMiD[FD] | takes a lot of time |
18:56:09 | shiftplusone | TiMiD[FD], think I don't get the problem when I use cp to copy... only when I copy/paste in the file browser |
18:56:12 | TiMiD[FD] | 2h for my 40gb iriver |
18:56:33 | shiftplusone | TiMiD[FD], good thing I only have 4 gigs to go through. |
18:56:55 | TiMiD[FD] | ah so you'll be fixed quickly :) |
18:57:04 | TiMiD[FD] | flash player ? |
18:57:17 | shiftplusone | TiMiD[FD], huh? |
18:57:32 | salty-horse | will rockbox support loading images/text from mp4 files? |
18:58:03 | TiMiD[FD] | flash memory or hdd ? |
18:58:03 | Bagder | salty-horse: nope, not atm |
18:58:13 | shiftplusone | TiMiD[FD], ah... hdd |
18:58:39 | TiMiD[FD] | hmm ok then it's very unlikely there'll be bad blocks |
18:58:55 | TiMiD[FD] | anyway I'm off |
18:59:03 | shiftplusone | 'night |
18:59:13 | salty-horse | Bagder, can I expect it when album art support is done? is this the bottleneck? |
18:59:15 | TiMiD[FD] | need to recover from my last 3h night |
18:59:29 | Bagder | salty-horse: yeah, the album art fix is the key to get it going |
18:59:33 | TiMiD[FD] | I'll sleep like an insomniac baby |
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19:00:06 | * | shiftplusone wonders how an insomniac baby sleeps |
19:00:27 | Falen | TiMid |
19:00:44 | Falen | One last question. Ok? |
19:01:13 | XavierGr | at last success!! :D |
19:01:29 | XavierGr | my bootloader now work the way I want, I am a happy man |
19:01:37 | XavierGr | ^works |
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19:04:07 | Falen | I just tried to compile my little plugin, and I got this error: |
19:04:09 | Falen | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `myplugin_character_remote.c', needed by `/cygdrive/c/comp/folder/apps/plugins/myplugin.o'. Stop. |
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19:21:01 | Falen | Anybody there? |
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19:21:48 | hcs | Falen: about 120 people may be here, what's up? |
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19:31:42 | Falen | Do you got a clue what this compiler problem might be? |
19:33:40 | XavierGr | did it compile at some point? |
19:33:44 | XavierGr | or you get this all the time? |
19:34:07 | Falen | It's when i included the image i added |
19:34:14 | Falen | #ifdef HAVE_LCD_BITMAP |
19:34:16 | Falen | PLUGIN_HEADER |
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19:34:17 | Falen | #include "myplugin_character_remote.c" |
19:34:19 | Falen | #else |
19:34:20 | Falen | #error JEWELS: Unsupported LCD |
19:34:22 | Falen | #endif |
19:34:28 | XavierGr | please use pastebin |
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19:34:59 | Falen | Ok |
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19:35:43 | Falen | Any idea? |
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19:36:35 | Falen | http://pastebin.com/m7d1cba5e |
19:38:23 | Soul-Slayer | You're including a .c file? |
19:38:31 | Soul-Slayer | Interesting concept. |
19:38:45 | XavierGr | yeah it should be a header file |
19:38:51 | Soul-Slayer | Indeedy. |
19:40:05 | Falen | Working :) |
19:40:09 | Falen | Thanks! |
19:40:13 | Soul-Slayer | No problem |
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19:50:34 | salty-horse | tihoc41, you were probably disconnected and tihoc4n is a ghost. when it gets disconnected, you could change your nickname again. also, register it with nickserv so you could kick it yourself when such disconnects occur |
19:51:48 | tihoc41 | I've registered it already, how can I kick the ghost out? |
19:51:58 | ze | tihoc41: /msg nickserv ghost tihoc4n <password> |
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19:52:41 | tihoc41 | thank you so much! :) |
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20:00:32 | Falen | I got a C question. When I'm declaring a structure array, is it possible to make it bigger or append another item to it? (redim or something like that)? |
20:01:34 | hcs | no |
20:02:04 | Falen | Ok |
20:02:37 | Falen | But how do I see the size of an array (how many items that it hold)? |
20:03:21 | hcs | sizeof(array)/sizeof(int), where int is the type of the elements |
20:03:31 | Falen | Ok |
20:03:35 | Falen | Thank you! :) |
20:03:36 | hcs | better still, use whatever you used to declare the array |
20:07:04 | Soul-Slayer | I thought arrays were defined like int variable[size] ? Although I could be thinking of something else |
20:07:42 | hcs | right, so there you have the size directly |
20:07:47 | Soul-Slayer | Ahhh wait... |
20:07:57 | Soul-Slayer | That was to find out how big it is defined, sorry =$ |
20:08:02 | Soul-Slayer | Knew I'd read something wrong. |
20:08:13 | hcs | the sizeof bit isn't really a particularly good idea |
20:09:05 | Falen | But the sizeof bit gives you exactly how many non-null items that are in the array, right? |
20:09:53 | hcs | non-null doesn't enter the discussion |
20:11:02 | hcs | it should give you the capacity of the array, but I'd prefer to use the capacity that you explicitly specify when declaring the array rather than calculating it |
20:11:20 | Falen | Ok |
20:11:31 | Falen | So basically it's the same thing |
20:11:46 | hcs | more things can go wrong with sizeof |
20:12:12 | Falen | I'm used to the basic language, started to learn C a couple of weeks ago. |
20:12:13 | Falen | Yeah |
20:12:27 | hcs | keep it simple, if you know the size, use it |
20:12:32 | Soul-Slayer | Am I right in thinking the card backs and faces are standardised somewhere? |
20:13:04 | hcs | but use it #defined somewhere, rather than just using an arbitrary integer throughout the code |
20:13:15 | Falen | I know |
20:13:27 | hcs | 'k, just preaching |
20:13:51 | alienbiker99 | Soul-Slayer i think they are |
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20:14:34 | Soul-Slayer | Probably not lucky enough to have it documented anywhere though :P... Ah well, trial and error has worked for me in the past |
20:14:51 | alienbiker99 | it should be documented |
20:15:05 | rasher | Soul-Slayer, they're the same set of bitmaps used in the card games. Check either of them to see how they retrieve them |
20:15:28 | Soul-Slayer | Good plan |
20:16:33 | Falen | I was thinking, what is the actual difference between this s->x++; and this s.x++; ? |
20:17:23 | hcs | s->x++ is equivalent to (*s).x++ |
20:18:09 | Falen | Oh, Ok |
20:18:52 | Falen | So it means that it should count s as a pointer? |
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20:19:42 | hcs | yes |
20:19:50 | Falen | Ok :), thanks! |
20:22:21 | Soul-Slayer | Pointers confuse me... Why in some cases would you use a pointer rather than reference the variable directly? |
20:23:07 | rasher | A pointer is cheap to pass around |
20:23:37 | rasher | You don't want to move your whole datastructure into a function, simply passing a pointer to it makes sense in most cases. |
20:23:38 | salty-horse | Soul-Slayer, when you want a function to modify a value of an variable you defined, you have to pass it as a pointer |
20:23:45 | rasher | This is one reason, I'm sure there are a million more. |
20:24:10 | Soul-Slayer | So you'd use it to reference a variable in another function? |
20:24:30 | rasher | Well. Sometimes, perhaps even often. |
20:25:16 | Soul-Slayer | Hmm... Seems I have a lot to learn yet. |
20:25:45 | hcs | a good reason not to use pointers is that they make it really easy to mess up... |
20:26:56 | shiftplusone | ......pointers..... |
20:26:59 | * | shiftplusone shudders. |
20:29:31 | Soul-Slayer | Well I'm going to attempt to make a card game plugin. If you don't hear from me in a while... Send for help :p |
20:29:40 | shiftplusone | lol |
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20:31:53 | Falen | Anybody knows any good site to grab some C code (except planetsourcecode)? I'm trying to figure out how to add some gravity to my game. |
20:32:59 | hcs | Falen: come into #rockbox-community and we can have discussions of game physics, if you'd like |
20:33:13 | Falen | Yeah |
20:39:43 | shiftplusone | Falen, www.gamedev.com ? |
20:40:11 | shiftplusone | Falen, www.gamedev.net even. |
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21:12:44 | D0ug | Hello, has there been any patches made that would allow for landscape viewing instead? |
21:13:23 | D0ug | My sansa e200 has the identical dimentions as the iPod Photo, would somone be able to help me make the 90 degree rotation? |
21:13:28 | Llorean | The patch tracker has a search function. |
21:13:35 | Llorean | If there is one, you can probably find it there. |
21:13:37 | D0ug | 220x176 vs 176x220 |
21:14:15 | D0ug | I know there is but seldom does a search engine answer what a real person can. |
21:14:25 | Llorean | Have you searched? |
21:14:48 | D0ug | I see only a request |
21:14:55 | D0ug | Upside down has been attained |
21:15:03 | Llorean | Then that's probably all there is. |
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21:27:08 | Falen | Are there any sleep command, to slow down the plugin main loop? |
21:27:38 | Falen | *sleep function |
21:28:04 | Soul-Slayer | I dunno if that's what rb->sleep(HZ) does, but thats a sleep function. |
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21:34:54 | Falen | Ok, heh |
21:35:01 | Falen | Trying it out. Thanks! |
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23:14:42 | * | GodEater_ must stop reading the forums for a while. Blood pressure is suffering. |
23:15:41 | Bagder | feel free to join us in the grumpy corner of this channel ;-) |
23:16:04 | * | GodEater_ pulls up a chair |
23:17:10 | GodEater_ | I'm getting an irrational urge to thump something whenever I look at the e22r thread |
23:17:14 | GodEater_ | e200r even |
23:17:24 | Bagder | haha, yeah that guy is very persistent |
23:17:35 | GodEater_ | a persistent idiot |
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23:22:33 | jhMikeS | Bagder: My last commit didn't trigger a build. What's up? |
23:23:09 | Bagder | ! |
23:23:46 | Bagder | I have no idea why |
23:23:51 | jhMikeS | hmmm |
23:24:13 | BHSPitMonkey | jhMikeS, consider: "trigger", or "deserve"? |
23:24:29 | BHSPitMonkey | don't answer, just think. |
23:24:35 | * | BHSPitMonkey wanders off |
23:24:45 | jhMikeS | now it's all judgemental about whenther I deserve it? |
23:25:05 | gxti | i have a shovel you can borrow if you want to beat him to death. |
23:25:23 | BHSPitMonkey | Certainly. I'll take it. |
23:25:45 | * | jhMikeS now has a new shovel and several backups for when the others break ;) |
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23:27:50 | LinkinXp | hey hello |
23:27:54 | LinkinXp | how i change usb modes |
23:27:57 | LinkinXp | in rockbox?? |
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23:38:20 | JavaMan22 | is anyone working on superdom |
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23:47:47 | markun | JavaMan22: what's that? |
23:52:50 | JavaMan22 | its the new plugin game |
23:52:59 | JavaMan22 | and i like it |
23:53:05 | JavaMan22 | but its not very user friendly |
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