00:00:19 | * | jhMikeS has an old TEAC reel 2 reel that makes a nice echo and outer-space noises when setup right |
00:02:13 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah |
00:02:26 | preglow | tape delays > * |
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00:06:15 | petur | austriancoder: can you put devdsc and dqdsc in iram too.... it's what the code tries to send |
00:06:57 | austriancoder | petur: sure |
00:07:38 | petur | bah, it is still 27 degrees celcius inside :( |
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00:10:36 | jhMikeS | preglow: lowpass filter = rag around headphones. feedback control = how far mic is away from headphones. delay time => tape speed. such fun as a kid. :) |
00:10:50 | preglow | hahah, yeah |
00:10:52 | preglow | i love stuff like that |
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00:11:45 | preglow | i made a phone echo device the other day by calling my house phone with my cell phone and stuffing them both together with various materials between them :P |
00:12:02 | preglow | yes, i'm a sound geek |
00:13:14 | preglow | too bad the delay time is fixed at the roundtrip time |
00:13:55 | authumalk | with me the ipod video randomly freezes up and i have to reset |
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00:15:44 | jhMikeS | hehe. i've made those by accident by turning mic gain too high in the recording screen. :P |
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00:18:06 | * | jhMikeS still awaits those effects plugins :-D |
00:18:17 | austriancoder | petur: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/mrh_try4.diff |
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00:18:23 | austriancoder | petur: same results |
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00:18:43 | austriancoder | using invalidate_icache and flush_icache |
00:18:45 | austriancoder | hmmmm |
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00:20:59 | jhMikeS | what's the memcpy in usb_int doing? |
00:21:07 | authumalk | your mom |
00:21:30 | jhMikeS | =\ |
00:21:48 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: copy rx usb request into a local variable |
00:22:00 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: copy it from iram |
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00:23:41 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: it sends it to where? |
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00:25:29 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: in usb_int we check if a setup request was recived... if so, copy the request from queuehead (IRAM) to a local variable (no IRAM) now we can check what type of request.....do some stuff.... send back an answer or stall |
00:26:47 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: and the probem is tx... sending of the answer |
00:27:28 | petur | austriancoder: is everything we give the controller in iram now? |
00:28:06 | austriancoder | petur: forgot one... but I am compiling.. one momen |
00:28:07 | austriancoder | t |
00:29:35 | austriancoder | petur: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/mrh_try5.diff - same result |
00:30:14 | authumalk | rockbox is jesus |
00:30:19 | jhMikeS | austriancodec: no more writes occur to the data the controller will be sending after the flush_icache call? |
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00:31:02 | jhMikeS | austriancodeR, sorry :P |
00:31:09 | petur | lol |
00:31:29 | ddalton | what dir is select.c in? |
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00:32:12 | ctaylorr | ddalton: $(dirname $(find . -name 'select.c' | head -n 1)) |
00:34:13 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: no |
00:35:58 | jhMikeS | using usb_int during the tick and not its IRQ line? |
00:36:36 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: its only a fast merge of e200tool into rockbox.. |
00:36:49 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: later I will use IRQ |
00:37:38 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: it should not be the problem, |
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00:40:47 | austriancoder | time to go to bed |
00:41:52 | jhMikeS | wait |
00:42:09 | jhMikeS | there's no flush in usb_send though |
00:42:44 | austriancoder | ... |
00:43:26 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: Why do i need one in usb_send? |
00:43:42 | * | petur would think that would result in sending garbage, not the controller giving timeout |
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00:44:00 | jhMikeS | you do a memcpy |
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00:44:28 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: in dtd_enqueue(...) i do the flush, before i do "hey controller.. send my data" (=Priming) |
00:45:09 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: I do the memcpy, but actual sending is done in dtd_enqueue. |
00:45:12 | jhMikeS | yeah, the destination is IRAM though ... hrm |
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00:47:13 | jhMikeS | if perhaps I'm going to try to seriously spot something, I should not look at the patch alone :P |
00:47:38 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: datasheet: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/MCIMX31RM.pdf |
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00:47:51 | jhMikeS | thanks |
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00:48:00 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: chaper 32 i think |
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00:49:56 | petur | austriancoder: so now your log is saying timeout->prime right? |
00:50:36 | austriancoder | petur: HW_ERROR Endptstat 0x0 recived packet TIMEOUT->port |
00:51:20 | austriancoder | Endptstat must be != 0x0 as this tells, that sending was ok |
00:52:10 | petur | hmmm it is dtd_enqueue() that is failing I'd think |
00:52:51 | austriancoder | petur: yep |
00:53:02 | austriancoder | if ((UOG_ENDPTSTAT & mask) == 0) { logf("Endptstat 0x%x", UOG_ENDPTSTAT); logf("HW_ERROR"); } |
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00:53:15 | petur | ah, but priming itself is not giving timeout |
00:53:22 | austriancoder | petur: no |
00:53:52 | austriancoder | petur: priming seems to be okay.. so the hardware should send data... and if sending is done, ENDPTSTAT should be != 0x0 |
00:53:54 | * | petur swapped that timeout->port with timeout->prime... |
00:55:25 | petur | austriancoder: btw, did anything from my mail on 19/7 do anything helpfull? |
00:56:05 | austriancoder | petur: not really... "fixed" all you pointed me, but the problem is still the same |
00:56:11 | austriancoder | petur: do you own an sansa? |
00:56:16 | austriancoder | or an ipod? |
00:56:16 | petur | nope |
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00:57:06 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: just watch the log and plug it? |
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00:57:21 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: yep |
00:57:26 | austriancoder | logf build |
00:57:59 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: also a "dmesg" on a linux machine is a good thing |
00:58:18 | austriancoder | usb 1-8: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 20usb 1-8: device descriptor read/64, error 18usb 1-8: device descriptor read/64, error 18 |
00:58:22 | austriancoder | −−> bad :( |
00:58:44 | jhMikeS | undefined reference to dr_controller setup :\ |
00:58:54 | petur | well I'm out of ideas atm :/ |
00:59:25 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: one moment |
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01:00:20 | jhMikeS | I need a more complete patch? |
01:01:53 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/mrh_try6.diff |
01:02:19 | austriancoder | ikeS: |
01:02:36 | * | austriancoder hopes that jhMikeS can help with the usb problem |
01:02:45 | * | austriancoder or mrh |
01:03:10 | * | jhMikeS has no idea what's going on but finds it interesting anyway |
01:04:02 | austriancoder | now... time for bed |
01:04:14 | jhMikeS | gnight |
01:04:35 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: if you found something... could you mail me? You should have my mail - or? |
01:06:03 | jhMikeS | yeah, np |
01:06:33 | austriancoder | fine |
01:06:44 | austriancoder | petur: see you |
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01:44:05 | yole | i cant' seem to find this: is there a way to apply ratings to songs in rock box? |
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01:58:45 | * | jhMikeS now sees no logs |
01:59:27 | petur | on device? |
01:59:49 | Llorean | Are "debug" or "logf" builds expected to compile? |
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02:00:33 | petur | don't know about debug, but logf should |
02:00:40 | jhMikeS | petur: I plug it and no errors happen |
02:01:23 | Llorean | I tried a logf, and if I recall, it failed all over the place in... it was either speex or spc |
02:01:25 | petur | no usb related logf? |
02:01:52 | jhMikeS | nope since it only logs on failures |
02:01:59 | Llorean | I was trying to build for Nano to get some output in relation to the issue I was having trying to fix the custom logo patch, and ended up just using some puts |
02:02:24 | petur | jhMikeS: add a logf to see that it actually does something? |
02:02:47 | jhMikeS | my computer doesn't complain about not recognizing the device now |
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02:03:18 | petur | maybe it doesn't do anything at all..... |
02:05:01 | jhMikeS | it used to always say "USB device not recognized" before ... gonna try something |
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02:07:59 | jhMikeS | hmmm |
02:10:52 | jhMikeS | lol...had the controller shut off |
02:18:54 | jhMikeS | heh, success. there seems to be a race condition when pluggin. I plugged slow and no problems. |
02:19:24 | petur | you mean you have his code working? |
02:19:40 | jhMikeS | I also readded the proper udelays that were improperly replaced with counters |
02:21:36 | jhMikeS | well, I'm receiving stuff but it's twitchy to even do that. |
02:21:47 | petur | so there was a timing issue.... |
02:22:43 | jhMikeS | I get alot of TIMEOUT->port |
02:23:00 | petur | that was his problem |
02:23:44 | petur | maybe the timeout is too small |
02:24:15 | petur | it just does a while loop checking a bit |
02:26:07 | barrywardell_ | would using interrupts help? |
02:26:30 | petur | he went to this code because nothing was working |
02:26:51 | petur | better get it working first |
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02:27:24 | barrywardell_ | but wouldn't it be easy to enable interrupts? |
02:28:04 | petur | his code wasn't working, so he merged in the code of MrH which doesn't use interrupts |
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02:30:09 | barrywardell_ | but he has a usb_int function there which is currently called by the timer interrupt. can't we just enable the usb interrupt and call usb_int with that? |
02:30:11 | jhMikeS | thing just froze my computer ... wtf |
02:30:37 | saratoga | any idea why putting a table in IRAM can make code slightly slower on the PP targets? |
02:31:04 | jhMikeS | cached memory is faster I've found on e200 |
02:31:20 | saratoga | isn't IRAM 0 cycle? |
02:32:01 | jhMikeS | I don't think so. I tried it with the video chroma buffer and using cached ram instead of IRAM gave a speedup. |
02:32:14 | saratoga | interesting |
02:33:07 | jhMikeS | the SPC codec suffers using IRAM heavily as well |
02:33:15 | saratoga | is IRAM always >= cache on Coldfire? |
02:33:35 | jhMikeS | no, IRAM on Coldfire is nescessary since it has no DRAM cache |
02:33:46 | saratoga | hmm |
02:34:16 | jhMikeS | it does have a code cache though and small repetitive functions can run just the same not being IRAM there |
02:36:26 | saratoga | interestingly, I still get a slowdown from IRAM even on the 3G with its 2 cycle L1 cache |
02:36:34 | saratoga | i wonder if theres something else going on |
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02:47:20 | saratoga | i just absent mindly dragged an ipod 3G rockbox build over my sansa's install |
02:47:26 | saratoga | surprisingly it booted |
02:47:39 | saratoga | though the wps looks pretty funny |
02:48:05 | Soul-Slayer | And it'll be trying to spin up a drive that doesn't exist :p |
02:48:21 | barrywardell_ | it's probably still running the sansa firmware |
02:48:28 | barrywardell_ | because of the different filenames |
02:48:36 | saratoga | probably why the codecs didn't work |
02:49:02 | Soul-Slayer | saratoga: Try a H10 build, they use MI4's. Of course, it probably isn't a good idea, but meh ;) |
02:50:04 | * | barrywardell_ did the opposite earlier today - sansa build on h10 |
02:50:26 | barrywardell_ | nothing exciting happened :( |
02:50:39 | Soul-Slayer | I imagine it couldn't read the disk though? |
02:51:09 | Soul-Slayer | Ahh I'm tempted to try it, stop it |
02:51:39 | saratoga | the main binary has different names on the two platforms, so each would load the correct core, but all the data files, plugins and codecs would be wrong |
02:52:02 | Soul-Slayer | saratoga: For the Sansa and the H10 they're both 'rockbox.mi4' |
02:52:12 | saratoga | oh sorry i meant the ipod and sansa |
02:52:16 | Soul-Slayer | Ahh okay. |
02:52:33 | saratoga | removing the huffman coding tables from IRAM makes the Ipod 3G wma decoder slighter faster |
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03:53:41 | KyleP | please help me, how do I play my ipod video files with rockbox? |
03:54:33 | Soul-Slayer | Convert them into mpeg2 with the correct screen resolution. But if your ipod is a 5g, you're better off using the OF. |
03:54:35 | Llorean | Read the manual, Rockbox only plays MPEG1/2 videos. |
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03:54:58 | KyleP | whats OF? |
03:55:09 | KyleP | original firmware? |
03:55:13 | Soul-Slayer | Yep. |
03:55:21 | KyleP | can I dual boot? |
03:55:24 | Soul-Slayer | Yep. |
03:55:31 | KyleP | or should I just take it off? |
03:55:32 | Soul-Slayer | Flick the hold switch on when you turn it on. |
03:55:35 | KyleP | how do I do that? |
03:55:38 | Soul-Slayer | And it'll boot into Apple OS |
03:55:42 | KyleP | ok |
03:55:45 | KyleP | thanks man |
03:55:47 | Soul-Slayer | Hold Menu + Select to reboot into Rockbox again. |
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03:55:58 | Soul-Slayer | No problem. Read the manual, it's all there. |
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03:56:41 | ToHellWithGA | am i supposed to "turn off" rockbox at any point? |
03:56:50 | Soul-Slayer | Turn off? |
03:56:55 | ToHellWithGA | when i hold the pause button to turn it off for too long i can't figure out how to turn it back on |
03:57:03 | ToHellWithGA | it reboots |
03:57:06 | Soul-Slayer | What player? |
03:57:08 | ToHellWithGA | am i doing it wrong? |
03:57:12 | ToHellWithGA | ipod video, 5g |
03:57:18 | ToHellWithGA | brand spankin' new :) |
03:57:34 | Soul-Slayer | That should shut it down... Hold down the play button for a few seconds and it should turn off. |
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03:58:15 | ToHellWithGA | when i turn it back on it boots |
03:58:20 | ToHellWithGA | is that the correct way to do things? |
03:58:26 | ToHellWithGA | i don't wanna drain it when the playlist runs out |
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03:58:41 | Soul-Slayer | There is no sleep mode in RB |
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03:59:06 | Soul-Slayer | It will power off when you hold play, then it'll reboot when you tap a button again. |
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04:21:02 | JdGord|uni | hey all |
04:21:12 | JdGord|uni | Llorean: have you had a look at the updated 5464? |
04:22:57 | Llorean | No, I haven't |
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04:33:05 | Soul-Slayer | Out of curiousity, why are // style comments prohibited? |
04:33:55 | JdGord|uni | becauser they are not in the c99 standard |
04:36:40 | idnar | C99 or C89? |
04:37:07 | Soul-Slayer | 80 col length and space rather than tab indents to keep the SVN diffs from looking warped I presume? |
04:37:11 | idnar | I was under the impression C99 is when they were added |
04:39:45 | idnar | http://home.tiscalinet.ch/t_wolf/tw/c/c9x_changes.html#Preprocessor |
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05:07:36 | DogBoy | is there somewhere I can look for opinions about the best platform for rockbox? |
05:12:07 | krazykit | DogBoy, several. check the forums and mailing lists |
05:12:18 | krazykit | this topic has been done loads of times. |
05:12:22 | Llorean | 90% of it depends on what you want out of it anyway |
05:12:31 | Soul-Slayer | How do I diff a file that doesn't currently exist? |
05:12:43 | Llorean | svn add the file to your local repository |
05:12:52 | DogBoy | I figured it had been done loads of times |
05:13:07 | DogBoy | that's why I figure there must be somewhere to look for the info |
05:13:21 | Llorean | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide is the best basic place |
05:14:18 | DogBoy | thank you Llorean |
05:14:35 | DogBoy | my ipod died and I'm not sure I want to go there again |
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05:36:26 | jurrie | What happened to database caching? I was asked to try a new official build to verify if a bug that I entered still exists. While testing this (bug was related to the database creation issues on the Sansa) I no longer see the "cache database in memory" setting. |
05:38:04 | Llorean | "Load database to RAM" you mean? |
05:40:00 | jurrie | I believe that's what it was called |
05:40:32 | Soul-Slayer | And still is |
05:40:50 | Llorean | jurrie: What player do you have? |
05:40:51 | Soul-Slayer | Settings -> General -> Database -> Load to RAM -> Yes |
05:41:13 | jurrie | Sansa |
05:41:29 | jurrie | lemme get my player and triple check |
05:41:41 | Llorean | jurrie: Are you using English, or another language? |
05:42:19 | jurrie | there is no such option |
05:42:22 | jurrie | using English |
05:42:59 | jurrie | r14121-070801 |
05:43:16 | Llorean | That's 4 days old |
05:43:27 | jurrie | yeah, and I got it after I received the request |
05:43:36 | jurrie | this past week as the clean up week |
05:43:37 | Soul-Slayer | Then it may be fixed |
05:43:51 | Llorean | We do ask that you not report anything without verifying it on a current build |
05:44:00 | jurrie | OK... I'll fetch another copy tomorrow.... |
05:44:08 | jurrie | I reported it last month |
05:44:28 | Llorean | Reported the missing "Load to RAM" last month? |
05:44:31 | jurrie | OK... I'll check again tomorrow... at least it's not crashing anymore |
05:44:38 | Llorean | Why not check again right now? |
05:44:59 | jurrie | nope... the "database is crashing when buiding" was last month. No time.... it's almost midnight. Have a 6:30 call. need sleep |
05:45:42 | Llorean | Rockbox is updated many times per day, so 'current' usually means 'downloaded within the last few minutes' |
05:46:08 | Llorean | I don't see Load to Ram on the Sansa though |
05:47:26 | Llorean | It may have gotten lost in the removal of some features for flash targets |
05:48:42 | Llorean | It doesn't really make sense for flash targets (neither does dircache) though it shouldn't be removed as autoupdate depends on dircache for removing files. |
05:49:02 | Llorean | Have you verified that your Database is missing any features, or are you just complaining about the lack of a menu option? |
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06:22:03 | jurrie | not complaining... just wondered if that functionality had intentionally been removed. The flashing "Searching... 0 found ()" messages made me look. Didn't have those messages in the past. |
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06:22:59 | jurrie | I understand bout "current".... again, I just wondered if the option was intentionally pulled. I'll fetch a fresh copy when I have a chance to post/comment |
06:23:21 | Llorean | Well it's not there in "Current" which is why I was asking if any actual features of the database seemed to be failing. |
06:24:39 | jurrie | no, things seem to be working (albums, and titles are listed properly) |
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06:25:37 | Llorean | I'm more concerned about deleting removed files on updates. |
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06:37:28 | aliask_uni | Is reversi the same as go? |
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06:38:41 | GRaTT | Llorean I managed to get the custom splash working, but after the RB logo. |
06:39:31 | Llorean | aliask_uni: It's very, very, very different other than it uses black and white pieces on a grid. |
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06:39:41 | Llorean | GRaTT: Congrats |
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06:59:21 | WillGC | Can you hear me? |
06:59:42 | TiMiD[FD] | I can |
06:59:55 | WillGC | Heh, I got message saying "You have to be registered" |
07:00 |
07:00:37 | WillGC | Is this supported by RockBox? http://murl.se/27015 |
07:00:41 | WillGC | I'm very sure it is |
07:00:59 | WillGC | SAnsa e260 |
07:01:07 | TiMiD[FD] | you could post full urls |
07:01:20 | WillGC | I don't like to spam the channel |
07:01:33 | Llorean | WillGC: The list of supported players is on the front page of the site |
07:02:05 | WillGC | So I guess tomorrow I'll order the item |
07:02:33 | WillGC | Why the heck do most players only support WMA/MP3 anyways? |
07:02:41 | WillGC | I don't even know of anyone who uses WMA. |
07:02:56 | TiMiD[FD] | microsoft pushing his own format |
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07:03:07 | WillGC | But it sucks |
07:03:21 | TiMiD[FD] | almost all the basic users enciode their cds with windows media |
07:03:26 | TiMiD[FD] | yes I know |
07:03:32 | aowzone | hey guys, i was taping a little local show tonight and drained my battery...i thought i read something at one point about reparing the partial wav file i have, but i cant seem to find that information |
07:03:35 | WillGC | I use a tuned version of Ogg-Vorbis |
07:03:50 | TiMiD[FD] | yes ogg vorbis is better ... |
07:03:52 | aowzone | it shows a 400ish MB file, but its unplayable...is it recoverable? |
07:04:30 | WillGC | I suppose you could copy it to your PC and open it into a wave editing program? |
07:04:57 | aowzone | wont let me copy it |
07:05:13 | aowzone | "file or directory is corrupt..." |
07:05:16 | TiMiD[FD] | stupid windows |
07:05:17 | advcomp2019 | WillGC there are players that play ogg |
07:05:23 | aowzone | haha |
07:05:27 | WillGC | Why do you have a 400MB wave file? |
07:05:34 | aowzone | its the partial recording before the battery died |
07:05:37 | WillGC | I know, I have one, it just doesn't do it well. |
07:05:49 | advcomp2019 | what one do you have |
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07:06:02 | WillGC | IRive 795 |
07:06:05 | aowzone | got set 1, lost battery about 70% through set 2...just wasnt planning to tape this show, was out of town without my charger |
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07:06:12 | WillGC | I-River 795 |
07:06:23 | advcomp2019 | have you looked at the cowons |
07:06:37 | TiMiD[FD] | it would be so good if constructors started to use rockbox as their default firmware |
07:07:14 | Llorean | WillGC: The iFP-700 series has a pretty terrible ogg decoder. |
07:07:21 | WillGC | Yes, it does |
07:07:39 | WillGC | God knows why they didn't use Tremor |
07:08:01 | Llorean | They might've, but simply run into performance issues and had to tear it up some |
07:08:06 | Llorean | The thing has a pretty slow core. |
07:08:11 | Llorean | And very, very little RAM |
07:08:50 | advcomp2019 | WillGC have you looked at the cowons.. i have heard they are good for all formats |
07:08:59 | WillGC | Cowons? |
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07:09:41 | advcomp2019 | http://www.cowonamerica.com/ <−−- there is the site |
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07:14:40 | WGC | oops |
07:14:51 | WGC | Anyways, I think I'll stick with the Sansa |
07:16:22 | advcomp2019 | i have a sansa too but it is the r version :( |
07:16:37 | WGC | I'm looking at a non-r version |
07:16:51 | advcomp2019 | yea |
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07:28:10 | Alonea | just had a quick question on the textviewer. Why does quotes and apostrophes sow up as dotted boxes? |
07:28:17 | Alonea | *show |
07:28:35 | advcomp2019 | but WGC i was just commenting that i have the r version but i have to wait to get to rockbox or think i will never get it for the r version... i wish i got the non-r version now |
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07:32:22 | WGC | If it doesn't say R on it at the Circuit City website, I can trust it's not? |
07:33:17 | advcomp2019 | r versions are mainly at best buy or rhapsody |
07:33:39 | WGC | Yeah, I saw them at BestBuy today |
07:33:55 | WGC | Why would you want it taylored for an online music service? |
07:34:18 | advcomp2019 | it was cheap at the time |
07:34:28 | advcomp2019 | cheaper then the non r |
07:35:10 | Alonea | anyone know about the text viewer or no? |
07:35:10 | WGC | I find it odd that the non-r version at CircuitCity is cheaper |
07:37:20 | advcomp2019 | i got mine for $180 with griffin powerdock for free about 3 months ago now |
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07:38:06 | advcomp2019 | i got the e280r if you want to know |
07:38:22 | WGC | the e260 costs 120 at CircuitCity |
07:38:45 | advcomp2019 | not bad |
07:39:31 | WGC | I think I may order it online and pick it up at the store. |
07:39:37 | WGC | It'll save me money off the S&H |
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07:41:40 | advcomp2019 | i think i saw the e280 for $30 or $50 more somewhere but cant of where now |
07:41:57 | WGC | ebay? |
07:42:13 | advcomp2019 | no it was in a store |
07:42:53 | WGC | i bought 2 MP3 players on EBay for a total of 10 dollars with S&H |
07:43:08 | WGC | Should have read the fine print, they have broken displays. |
07:43:54 | advcomp2019 | oops |
07:44:12 | advcomp2019 | what versions |
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07:44:28 | WGC | Sansa C something |
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07:45:34 | advcomp2019 | o ok |
07:45:37 | WGC | They work, I just can't see what I'm doing |
07:46:23 | advcomp2019 | i would take them if you do not need them |
07:47:00 | WGC | I'm thinking about trying to get new LCD stuff for them. |
07:48:27 | advcomp2019 | o ok |
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07:50:35 | Alonea | aha! it was in ansi, and that was why. resaved as utf-8 and its fine |
07:52:22 | advcomp2019 | i thinking it was in last weeks ads now |
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07:57:23 | WGC | adv, is that a good deal? |
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08:00:18 | advcomp2019 | for the 8gb version i think it is but it is up to you |
08:01:06 | WGC | I think I'll stick with what I chose before, I don't need that much memory. |
08:01:26 | WGC | I have no plans of looking at videos. |
08:01:34 | advcomp2019 | does anyone else think this this is a good buy −−> http://www.buy.com/prod/sandisk-sansa-e280-8gb-digital-multimedia-mp3-player/q/loc/111/203092435.html |
08:01:55 | WGC | It's 5 dollars less than Circuit City |
08:02:04 | advcomp2019 | but how much music do you have then |
08:02:42 | WGC | 28 Gigs |
08:02:49 | WGC | But I don't even listen to all of it |
08:04:37 | advcomp2019 | ic... have you looked at hd based players or do you like them |
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08:05:12 | WGC | I don't really understand the difference. |
08:05:40 | advcomp2019 | hd players have hard drives in them |
08:05:50 | WGC | I meant the pros and cons |
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08:06:49 | WGC | His script is looping |
08:07:28 | DogBoy | what is the difference with the r version on those sansa players |
08:07:42 | advcomp2019 | pros-more space for the money... con-they can die easy if dropped or goes into hot and cold areas a lot |
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08:08:16 | B4gder | DogBoy: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200R |
08:08:34 | WGC | I think I made up my mind on that 4 gig Sansa |
08:08:38 | deshicool | i need help regarding mpeg player on ipod nano..can anyone pm me? |
08:08:46 | WGC | I can always buy more memory if needed |
08:08:48 | advcomp2019 | the r version cant be rockboxed yet but they can play aac files |
08:09:37 | B4gder | WGC: no you can't |
08:09:46 | B4gder | WGC: then you need to buy a new player |
08:09:54 | deshicool | i rockboxed one nano and it worked fine...played video perfectly..but the other one..the video was really choppy |
08:09:55 | B4gder | well, apart from the microsd |
08:10:02 | deshicool | they were both 1st gens |
08:10:02 | WGC | It says in the description that it's expandable. |
08:10:15 | B4gder | WGC: yes, but the biggest microsd today is 2GB |
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08:10:31 | WGC | I don't plan on putting that many files on the thing. |
08:10:33 | DogBoy | yes but you can switch them out |
08:10:42 | B4gder | true |
08:10:42 | DogBoy | like it was a mini cd |
08:10:50 | B4gder | if you're into that kind of game |
08:11:11 | DogBoy | well anything else is just another kind of game |
08:11:31 | B4gder | yes of course |
08:11:54 | B4gder | I'm just not into switching microsd cards, so that approach hadn't even crossed my mind |
08:11:57 | deshicool | advcomp..is there anyway to fix it? |
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08:12:59 | DogBoy | yea well |
08:13:07 | WGC | Cya |
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08:13:23 | advcomp2019 | i am not sure there is a way because it is only 15 frames per second deshicool |
08:13:52 | deshicool | yea..its weird..works on one nano..and messes up on the other...the other plugins work fine |
08:14:31 | B4gder | deshicool: and both are using the same rockbox rev (version) ? |
08:15:10 | deshicool | yea |
08:15:22 | B4gder | that's mighty strange |
08:15:26 | deshicool | installed a week a part |
08:15:36 | Llorean | That's not the same revision at all unless you used the same file from before. |
08:15:46 | deshicool | oh sorry |
08:15:49 | Llorean | If you downloaded again it'll be a very very different revision, updates happen multiple times per day. |
08:16:01 | deshicool | oh |
08:16:17 | TiMiD[FD] | hi B4gder |
08:16:27 | TiMiD[FD] | would it be possible to get some rights on the tracker ? |
08:16:43 | TiMiD[FD] | to close bugs for example |
08:17:01 | B4gder | indeed, just gimme your flyspray user name |
08:17:10 | TiMiD[FD] | erm let me find that |
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08:17:37 | deshicool | ok...well i still have the files from the rev. that worked on the nano |
08:17:45 | deshicool | ill just tell my friend to install those |
08:18:22 | Llorean | Were you testing with the exact same video file? |
08:18:25 | TiMiD[FD] | B4gder: my user name is ... TiMiD ... tada ! |
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08:19:07 | deshicool | i tested a couple of video files they came out choppy |
08:19:14 | deshicool | but came out fine on the other one |
08:19:16 | B4gder | :-) |
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08:19:33 | ddalton | has p6574 being commited yet? |
08:19:57 | B4gder | TiMiD[FD]: there, you should now be able to close and edit entries |
08:19:59 | Llorean | ddalton: It says it has on the tracker entry |
08:20:33 | TiMiD[FD] | thanks ! |
08:20:40 | ddalton | Llorean when do you think patches like p6159 will be commited? |
08:21:11 | deshicool | thanks for the help |
08:21:14 | deshicool | goodnight |
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08:21:19 | Llorean | ddalton: I can't predict that. I have no way of knowing. |
08:21:43 | TiMiD[FD] | what prevents this patch from being included ? |
08:22:02 | Llorean | TiMiD[FD]: Before LangV2 it made the voice file too big on some players (Archoses) |
08:22:14 | Llorean | Now it probably needs to be tested with LangV2 and possibly updated for it. |
08:22:53 | B4gder | yeah, there should be lots of room for voice improvements now |
08:23:16 | Llorean | But all the voice improvement patches should take advantage of target-specific voice files, etc, too. |
08:23:26 | B4gder | indeed |
08:23:44 | ddalton | I have written a pretty useless patch p7525 and updated p6138 if anyone wants to look at them. |
08:24:18 | Llorean | B4gder: Any idea when nls is most often around? |
08:24:50 | B4gder | he's in central european time and seems to be around during our evenings |
08:24:58 | Llorean | Okay, thanks |
08:25:01 | B4gder | (08:24 am here now) |
08:25:04 | ddalton | i think p6159 has being tested on the lang2 thing cause there was an update to day. |
08:25:11 | Llorean | I think he may have inadvertently removed the "Load to RAM" option for Database on Sansa |
08:25:19 | Llorean | If anything it should be permanently enabled rather than disabled. |
08:25:30 | B4gder | yeah |
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08:41:54 | * | B4gder is now 6 commits away from 10K commits on ohloh |
08:42:15 | GodEater | Anyone want to close 7445 as implemented ? |
08:42:40 | B4gder | GodEater: you can't? |
08:42:43 | GodEater | no |
08:43:01 | B4gder | now you can! ;-) |
08:43:08 | GodEater | eep! |
08:43:51 | GodEater | yay - done! |
08:45:06 | B4gder | wow, 793 open tasks |
08:45:19 | B4gder | we did manage to break the 800 barrier |
08:45:54 | Llorean | Congratulations. |
08:46:03 | GodEater | we all deserve a pat on the back |
08:46:11 | Llorean | Well, I don't. I was in Puerto Rico the whole week. |
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08:46:23 | B4gder | hahaha |
08:46:31 | GodEater | you were wish us in spirit |
08:46:34 | GodEater | *with |
08:46:41 | Llorean | I was getting sunburned instead of flamed, it works out to the same thing. :) |
08:46:45 | GodEater | hehehe |
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08:48:27 | GodEater | I'm glad you were confused by that random folder advance post too Llorean |
08:48:31 | GodEater | it made no sense to me either |
08:49:11 | Llorean | I couldn't spot the request/question/point. It kinda looks like documentation |
08:51:44 | GodEater | yes - but describing how to do what ? ;) |
08:52:29 | Llorean | I'm not wholly sure |
08:52:46 | Llorean | Unfortunately, Dunno's not a fan of mine as it is so he may take it as criticism rather than "I honestly have no clue" |
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08:54:21 | Llorean | I'm also unclear on this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7541 |
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08:54:38 | GodEater | hahaha - that's a gem |
08:54:47 | GodEater | nearly worthy of GoldenQuotes |
08:55:56 | * | GodEater is also loving the hijacking of the "I want people to interview" thread in the mailing list |
08:56:31 | Llorean | Partially my fault, there. |
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08:56:48 | GodEater | maybe - but it was a big red rag he was waving there |
08:57:10 | Llorean | And he really has showed no interest in helping us improve the instructions in the manual. |
08:57:24 | GodEater | indeed not |
08:57:34 | B4gder | and he wanted an mp3 recording |
08:57:44 | B4gder | quite a diff from just answering a few qs in an email |
08:57:53 | Llorean | I really think if the instructions were truly "good enough" anyone should be able to create a vocal version of them. |
08:58:02 | B4gder | indeed |
08:58:25 | B4gder | we could have the entire manual voiced if that would help people |
08:58:40 | Llorean | Wouldn't be a bad idea for 3.0, if/when that ever happens. ;) |
08:59:19 | aliask | What do people think of the idea of merging feature requests? Like at the moment I think there are 4 or 5 requests for various emulators - we could just make one task which was "More emulators" |
08:59:39 | Llorean | I think it's better left as single tasks |
08:59:48 | Llorean | Better for searching, and better for attaching patches to. |
09:00 |
09:00:37 | aliask | Well, I was thinking of having a list of requested emulators in the post body, does the content get searched, or only the titles? |
09:00:58 | Llorean | Content |
09:01:17 | Llorean | But if someone were to attach a patch as beginning work of an emulator (or attempt to discuss say NES emulation in the comments) it might get confusing |
09:01:53 | aliask | If that were to happen I would suggest opening a new tracker item as a patch - which makes finding the patches easier |
09:02:36 | Llorean | I just don't know if the goal is strictly "fewer tasks" or more "focused tasks" |
09:03:15 | Llorean | I mean, under the same theory, a lot of things could be consolidated under a "WPS Improvements" or "Main Menu additions" or similar, and I think it's just a bit much. |
09:03:50 | Llorean | One thing did come up: What do we want to do about tasks that will be replaced by Viewports, but are actively maintained? |
09:04:12 | aliask | Until viewports becomes a reality I think they should be let be. |
09:04:16 | Llorean | I'm of the more ruthless bent, where I don't mind closing them and gently encouraging the maintainers to work on something commitable (such as viewports) |
09:04:44 | Llorean | Rather than spending time maintaining them, it may be the best way for viewports to quickly become a reality. |
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09:05:04 | aliask | It doesn't help that it's all stored away in amiconn's brain. |
09:05:26 | GodEater | and that he's been sidetracked by 1G/2G ipods ;) |
09:05:32 | Llorean | Yes, but he doesn't have to be the one to implement it, and it doesn't have to strictly be the way he visualizes it, if someone else gets around to it first. |
09:05:38 | Llorean | So long as it works generally as expected. |
09:05:49 | * | aliask doesn't even know what's expected |
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09:06:08 | aliask | Other than a magical solution to all rockbox related problems. |
09:06:46 | GodEater | nor me |
09:07:45 | GodEater | all I remember is putting together the first draft of the ViewPorts wiki page, and then someone saying "no - that's not how it'll work at all" |
09:07:59 | Llorean | As far as I know it can be boiled down to "virtual screens that clip at the edges and are still lined based, but can be positioned absolutely" |
09:08:29 | aliask | Like a floating frame? |
09:08:30 | GodEater | you should add that to the wiki page ;) |
09:08:37 | GodEater | aliask: that's how I understand it yes |
09:08:47 | GodEater | it's the content of those viewports I got wrong apparently |
09:08:59 | GodEater | I thought you'd be able to mix contexts too |
09:09:14 | GodEater | I think it was LinusN who informed me I was wrong |
09:09:19 | Llorean | In my opinion mixing contexts should be allowed. |
09:09:27 | GodEater | by rightly pointing out - how would rockbox know where to send the button pushes ? |
09:09:47 | Llorean | Such as predefining the "Menu" to take up say the bottom half of the Gigabeat screen while in WPS, and using a viewport for that when the menu is invoked. |
09:09:50 | GodEater | Llorean: then what solution do you propose to LinusN's question ? |
09:09:56 | GodEater | oh I see |
09:10:06 | GodEater | so hide the context viewport perhaps when it's not active |
09:10:12 | Llorean | So you invoke the menu, it gets 1/2 the screen, all button presses go to it, when you clear the menu, full screen WPS again |
09:10:19 | GodEater | that makes sense |
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09:10:43 | * | GodEater votes Llorean gets started on ViewPorts at once |
09:10:45 | Llorean | Only very limited mixing. |
09:11:09 | Llorean | In fact, that's about the only mixing I can imagine. :) |
09:11:16 | GodEater | hehe |
09:11:27 | GodEater | I don't think that's a feature we've described on the wiki properly though |
09:11:43 | GodEater | at the moment I think it's implied that the viewports are still static on the screen |
09:11:52 | Llorean | So it's not really "Context mixing" so much as "bounded list callable from the WPS" |
09:11:59 | GodEater | where what we've just described is that they can be turned on and off, and resized on the fly |
09:12:08 | Llorean | I don't see "resized on the fly" |
09:12:13 | Nick_Brackley | offtopic... why was the backlight filter patch rejected? |
09:12:29 | Llorean | In my scenario, the "List" viewport is simply drawn over the bottom half of the main viewport |
09:12:31 | GodEater | in your menu example you just envisage the menu being drawn over the top of the WPS ? |
09:12:41 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley: Which flyspray number? |
09:12:46 | GodEater | ok I see |
09:12:50 | Nick_Brackley | FS #5047 sorry just had to find it |
09:13:07 | * | GodEater fails to see how that was offtopic ;) |
09:13:17 | GodEater | it just wasn't what we were talking about |
09:14:06 | Nick_Brackley | lol |
09:15:05 | GodEater | it looks kind of target specific to me |
09:15:22 | petur | I also wondered what that patch was good for but didn't close it, any real use case for it? |
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09:15:49 | petur | damn spammer |
09:16:00 | * | GodEater votes for perma-ban |
09:16:05 | Llorean | petur: Not that I can see, unless you just *have* to have the backlight come on without an action for everything except select, or something |
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09:16:34 | GodEater | ah ha - here's the man who closed it |
09:16:35 | petur | heh look who's there :) |
09:16:38 | Llorean | I think it's based on habits (backlight on first keypress) developed in the Original Firmware combined with desires for instant responsiveness in very specific situations, or something |
09:16:53 | JdGordon | did I come in at a bad time? |
09:16:59 | * | petur beats GodEater :p |
09:17:02 | Nick_Brackley | I use it to conserve battery as I can change song without the backlight coming on |
09:17:06 | Llorean | JdGordon: There was a query as to why 5047 was closed. |
09:17:15 | GodEater | petur: not on my screen you didn't ;) |
09:17:21 | JdGordon | nor mine |
09:17:24 | * | JdGordon checks that task |
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09:18:01 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley: Have you done battery measurements to see how much you save? |
09:18:06 | JdGordon | whats the query? |
09:18:09 | * | petur gives his irc client an funny look |
09:18:23 | Llorean | JdGordon: Just why it was rejected, since you didn't leave a message. |
09:18:29 | GodEater | petur: it's not your client - it's your lag to the server |
09:18:35 | B4gder | irc is kind of async in that manner |
09:18:45 | Nick_Brackley | no i haven't but I also use it at night so I dont get blinded by the screen.... |
09:19:02 | * | GodEater wishes there was a public version of MindAlign for IRC services for that reason |
09:19:05 | petur | h300 has brightness |
09:19:06 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley: In that case, why not simply run a .cfg after playback is started to turn off the backlight? |
09:19:10 | JdGordon | Llorean: well imho thats the same as any button configuration, and was rejctedc because of that... If that goes in then so should all the button config patches, as should the custom menu patches |
09:19:25 | Llorean | JdGordon: That's faulty reasoning |
09:19:30 | JdGordon | why? |
09:19:31 | Llorean | It's neither button configuration nor a custom menu. |
09:19:42 | Llorean | All it is is an extension of the "Backlight on first keypress" |
09:19:53 | petur | I do agree with Jd that he closed it |
09:19:55 | GodEater | but it still alters the menu |
09:19:58 | Llorean | I agree that it should be closed |
09:20:02 | Llorean | I just disagree with the reasoning |
09:20:02 | ddalton | how can I check what revision of the source I have? |
09:20:18 | GodEater | ddalton: svn up |
09:20:28 | * | JdGordon just got home from work and is dead tired.... probably will come up with a better reason after some food and wakee-up-time |
09:20:34 | GodEater | ddalton: it should print the revision as it goes to it |
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09:20:59 | ddalton | ok thanks |
09:21:00 | GodEater | or if you're already up to date it'll just print the revision you're at |
09:21:12 | Nick_Brackley | Llorean: sometimes I still want to use the screen, for a new playlist, game etc |
09:22:17 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley: Then set the brightness to very low, rather than off, so you can easily reset it to full. |
09:22:50 | Llorean | JdGordon: I think what would be most useful is, as many iPod users have suggested, a button that can be held to turn the backlight on/off entirely if the backlight is set to "toggle" instead of on, off, or a time. |
09:22:52 | ddalton | I get the following error when trying to add a patch and compile rm /home/daniel/rockbox/build/apps/codecs/codec_crt0.o make: *** [build] Error 2 [build] Error 2 where could this error be? |
09:23:06 | Llorean | But we don't really have a spare button for this on iPods, where it is most requested. |
09:23:33 | JdGordon | we have a togggle option for the backligh? |
09:23:38 | Llorean | No |
09:23:42 | Llorean | It would have to be added. |
09:23:48 | Nick_Brackley | Llorean: then i am constantly changes settings whereas this patch allows me to use it on the one setting |
09:24:03 | JdGordon | I tihnk they shold set backlight on hold to off, and regular backlight to on, and use hold to toggle it then |
09:24:26 | Llorean | Considering the addition of Database for the root menu, I'd be all for replacing the "File view" option in the quick menu with "Backlight: On, Off, User" (where User is whatever you've set it in the other menu) |
09:25:03 | Nick_Brackley | JdGordon: that sounds like a good solution |
09:25:05 | Llorean | Or rather, User is "what you had it set to previously" |
09:25:31 | Llorean | JdGordon: That doesn't cover the case where people want to skip songs without lighting up, though |
09:25:37 | Llorean | Or adjust volume |
09:25:50 | Nick_Brackley | Llorean: the file menu is very useful I don't think it should be removed |
09:25:50 | JdGordon | no, but since when do we try catering for everyone? |
09:26:01 | * | JdGordon is one of the volume should keep backlight off people |
09:26:12 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley: What do you use the File View option for? |
09:26:33 | Nick_Brackley | Llorean: text documents, videos, and images |
09:26:35 | Llorean | JdGordon: I use Volume to toggle the backlight on easily on some of my players because it's easier to get to than the hold switch. |
09:26:51 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley: Why don't you simply set it to "Supported" then? |
09:27:10 | * | JdGordon thinking about having a setting to keep backlight off after the timeout when your in the wps, and when you leave it reverts to regular timeout |
09:27:19 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley: I said "File View" not "Files" by the way. In the Quick Menu, not the Main Menu |
09:27:26 | JdGordon | na, thats a bad idea actually |
09:27:49 | Llorean | JdGordon: I honestly think replacing File View in the quick menu is the most low-impact method. I think Amiconn may be the last person to regularly change his File View settings. |
09:28:14 | * | JdGordon wants to replaec the whole quickscreen or even remove it |
09:28:18 | JdGordon | I find it totally useless |
09:28:21 | Llorean | Yes, YOU do |
09:28:24 | Nick_Brackley | Llorean: ah ok, im with you now |
09:28:25 | Llorean | Some of us rather like it. |
09:28:25 | JdGordon | :D |
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09:28:54 | Llorean | And it's really quite quick when it's working as it's supposed to. |
09:29:46 | JdGordon | so what do ou want to replace file view with? |
09:30:35 | Llorean | Backlight: On, Off, User (where user is whatever their Display setting is) |
09:30:40 | morrijr | Silly question; but would it not be possible to dictate a brightness for each type of button press in a menu off the settings one? |
09:31:11 | Nick_Brackley | Llorean: how would the backlight be turned back on? |
09:31:12 | * | GodEater likes the quick menu, and does use the file view setting reasonably regularly |
09:31:14 | morrijr | (btw, I'd love volume and skip to not bring up the backlight) |
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09:31:24 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley: The same way you turn it off? |
09:31:26 | JdGordon | I started a patch 3 times now to make the quickscreen customizable, or at least more closely tied to settings_list.c but always lose motivation |
09:31:35 | GodEater | but it wouldn't kill me to have to go the long way round to change it |
09:31:45 | Llorean | GodEater: How often do you change it? |
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09:31:50 | GodEater | once a week perhaps |
09:31:51 | Nick_Brackley | Llorean: but as I understand you would be unable to see the screen? |
09:32:04 | Llorean | I think the majority of our users are more likely to want backlight settings than File View settings, since technically you can just set it to All and never need to change it. |
09:32:12 | Llorean | And I think 98% of users set it to "Supported" or never even know it exists |
09:32:14 | GodEater | like I say, it wouldn't kill me to have it replaced with something else |
09:32:24 | JdGordon | Llorean: but really, why is that setting getting a different response from you than the quick menu which I wanted to add? the answer to both is custom config files... |
09:32:32 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley: It's the quick menu... From the WPS, you hold Menu and press Down. |
09:32:46 | Llorean | JdGordon: No. Mine is still one static setting. |
09:33:01 | Llorean | JdGordon: How does removing one setting and replacing it with one more suitable for users equate to "Custom config files" |
09:33:08 | Nick_Brackley | Llorean: yes but with no backlight the screen would not be visible |
09:33:24 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley: It's the QUICK MENU. It's designed to be used almost without sight as it is. |
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09:33:59 | JdGordon | Llorean: its not a static setting, the way it would almost certainly have to work is being an extra setting (or modify the current backlight setting), so yes, making a custom .cfg with that setting would achieve the same thing |
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09:34:14 | Nick_Brackley | Llorean: apart from volume and changing track I prefer to see what i'm doing |
09:34:17 | Llorean | Nick_Brackley: From any screen where you can use it to turn off the backlight, turning on the backlight will be as simple as holding menu and pressing down once. |
09:34:34 | * | JdGordon just thought of the rebutle to your argument to the quick menu patch.... with the menu there is no disk spinup which config files need |
09:34:42 | Llorean | JdGordon: Except that a custom .cfg cannot be easily accessed blind, the quick menu can. |
09:35:07 | Nick_Brackley | Llorean: I still think that pressing 'navi' to light the screen is better than the quickscreen.... |
09:35:15 | JdGordon | which is yet another reason to add my menu patch... the whole thing talks |
09:35:16 | Llorean | Backlight toggle needs to either be a single button, or a button combo (which is really what the quick menu is, comboing Menu with Left, Right, or Down) |
09:36:00 | Llorean | JdGordon: It's still less easy to use than a two button combo. |
09:36:06 | GodEater | are there targets where it makes no sense to have all four directions do something ? |
09:36:19 | Llorean | Most targets only three directions do something |
09:36:29 | GodEater | Llorean: that's why I asked |
09:36:35 | Llorean | Up is often simply the opposite of down, giving that option two-directional scrolling |
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09:36:38 | Llorean | On iPods there is no "Up" though |
09:36:42 | GodEater | I can't see why (for example) you couldn't have four directions on the ipod |
09:36:53 | Llorean | Because Menu is the button that enters and leaves the quick-menu |
09:37:01 | Llorean | And when it's working properly, the quick-menu will vanish on release of Menu |
09:37:01 | JdGordon | Llorean: I'm not saying my patch should be the answer to this problem, I'm saying that either both or neither should be added |
09:37:16 | GodEater | I suppose |
09:37:27 | GodEater | I'd find it intuitive to have "select" as the exit button |
09:37:30 | ddalton | is rockbox ANSI C |
09:37:36 | GodEater | but I guess I can see why that's not popular |
09:37:42 | Llorean | The quick menu really is "Hold Menu+Press Button" when working right. It's button combos with visual feedback (which is technically unnecessary with proper status bar visibility) |
09:37:48 | GodEater | ddalton: for the most part yes |
09:37:54 | Llorean | GodEater: As I said, properly working there's no exit button |
09:37:54 | ddalton | ok thanks |
09:37:58 | Llorean | Exit is "release the enter button" |
09:38:15 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yes, but you're saying so on very faulty logic. |
09:38:19 | GodEater | Llorean: that would take more hands on the ipod though |
09:38:25 | Llorean | JdGordon: "Both can be used blind" is not reason for both to be included |
09:38:26 | GodEater | you'd need to use two to keep menu held down, |
09:38:32 | GodEater | and select your option |
09:38:40 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yours adds one feature that some people don't like, my idea adds a feature other people don't like. They add different things. |
09:38:48 | Llorean | GodEater: Two? |
09:38:54 | JdGordon | Llorean: so lets do both |
09:38:55 | Llorean | You mean "two fingers" |
09:38:57 | ddalton | if I write a function in main_menu.c do I need to have a prototype? |
09:39:00 | Llorean | JdGordon: Why? |
09:39:05 | JdGordon | why not? |
09:39:10 | Llorean | JdGordon: Because I'm against customizable menus? |
09:39:20 | GodEater | Llorean: no, I mean two hands |
09:39:22 | JdGordon | thats not a good enough reason though |
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09:39:28 | Llorean | Why isn't it? |
09:39:29 | GodEater | I use my thumb on the wheel - don't know about you |
09:39:42 | Llorean | Why is "I hate the idea your patch is trying to implement" not a good enough reason to object to your patch? |
09:39:50 | * | GodEater decides to leave this discussion for the time being |
09:40:04 | Llorean | GodEater: My thumb can hold menu and hit left/right at least |
09:40:17 | GodEater | Llorean: I'm not as dextrous as you then :) |
09:40:20 | Llorean | Down would require a second hand though |
09:40:29 | morrijr | Llorean: if the patch goes in, do you have to use it? |
09:40:29 | Llorean | Or finger awkwardness |
09:40:46 | JdGordon | Llorean: fine, if thats the way our going to be, do the damn patch, then ill reject it for exactly that reason |
09:40:55 | Llorean | morrijr: If the patch goes in, I have to suffer from lost buffer size, the removal of my quickscreen, and possible increased support load, yes. |
09:41:11 | morrijr | oooh k... |
09:41:12 | Llorean | JdGordon: That's very petty. "Llorean doesn't like my patch idea, so I'm going to object his." |
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09:41:34 | Llorean | JdGordon: I don't want a customizable quick menu because it adds unnecessary complexity. |
09:41:39 | JdGordon | omg, do you still not understand that bloody patch? its and EXTRA menu item, not a quickscreen replacement |
09:41:55 | Llorean | If it's an Extra menu item, why not just reorganize the menus to be more efficient? |
09:41:57 | n1s | ddalton: well, it might not be strictly neccesary depending on where you call it from but you can't go wrong with one :-) |
09:42:28 | Llorean | JdGordon: You're the one who keeps saying he wants to replace the quick menu. |
09:42:37 | Llorean | I'm aware the patch as it stands doesn't do so. |
09:42:39 | Llorean | But you keep saying you want to. |
09:42:41 | JdGordon | no im not, i never said anything like that |
09:43:00 | JdGordon | I'm saying I want to make the options in it customizable from the 180+ options we have |
09:43:07 | Llorean | JdGordon: "*JdGordon wants to replaec the whole quickscreen or even remove it" |
09:43:22 | Llorean | You said it earlier in this conversation even. |
09:43:23 | JdGordon | bah, qoute me out of context! |
09:43:34 | Llorean | Well what do you want to replace it *with* |
09:43:45 | Llorean | You said specifically in another conversation that it could be replaced with a customizable menu |
09:44:09 | petur | JdGordon: I'd also close 5997: the amount of battery time gained by this will not be very significant.... |
09:44:15 | * | LinusN gets some popcorn |
09:44:31 | morrijr | LinusN: can I get in on that order... |
09:44:40 | LinusN | :-) |
09:44:57 | * | petur hopes LinusN had a nice holiday |
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09:45:15 | LinusN | petur: very nice - and too short :-) |
09:45:21 | petur | as usual ;) |
09:45:22 | JdGordon | petur: ok, I didnt see it |
09:45:24 | Llorean | JdGordon: If you don't want to replace the quickscreen, it still doesn't change that it's added clutter. An additional menu full of menus. I'm still of the opinion reorganizing the menus is a first step that needs to be done, and then see where things stand. |
09:45:25 | LinusN | petur: hope you had a nice one too |
09:45:44 | petur | yes, same comment about the length ;) |
09:45:53 | JdGordon | Llorean: and do you honetly see the menu reorganising happening in the forseable future? |
09:46:01 | * | GodEater hasn't had a holiday but did enjoy the nice sunny weekend |
09:46:48 | ddalton | I wrote a function in a program I wrote and it compiles under gcc. So will this be the same for rockbox? will it work? |
09:46:58 | ddalton | it worked in my program as well. |
09:47:05 | Llorean | JdGordon: Is "nobody's working on the right solution" a reason to implement the wrong one? |
09:47:05 | petur | hahahaha nice closing comment there JdGordon ;) |
09:47:08 | GodEater | ddalton: should do |
09:47:29 | GodEater | ddalton: provided of course you didn't use malloc() anywhere ;) |
09:47:31 | ddalton | ok where abouts in main_menu.c should my first test function go? |
09:47:32 | JdGordon | Llorean: no, but not expecting anyone to start for months(?) is... |
09:47:45 | GodEater | ddalton: wherever you think it's appropriate - it doesn't really matter |
09:47:58 | Llorean | JdGordon: In that case, why haven't you committed the scroll margin patch? |
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09:48:13 | JdGordon | because amiconn is going to start viewports |
09:48:23 | JdGordon | noone has come up and said "im going to do the menu restructre" |
09:48:38 | Llorean | So if I simply say I'll do it, and give you no timeline at all, you'll drop this entirely? |
09:48:56 | ddalton | what is malloc() |
09:49:05 | JdGordon | Llorean: you cant decide after 3 years its time to change the QS items to suit an unkown % of the userbase.... you can make it customizable, or live with the settings as it is |
09:49:22 | Llorean | Interesting change of attack |
09:49:31 | GodEater | ddalton: if you don't know - then you should be fine ;) |
09:49:47 | ddalton | but can you just tell me what it is just wondering. |
09:49:51 | Llorean | I posit that with the advent of the main menu, and a unique option for Database, one of the primary user-uses of the quick menu's file view option (easy access to the database vs filetree) is no longer valid |
09:49:58 | Llorean | Meaning that the option itself should be reconsidered |
09:50:03 | GodEater | ddalton: it allocates memory for data dynamically |
09:50:08 | Llorean | I've merely offered one potential replacement, I don't know if mine's the best |
09:50:28 | Llorean | But it's absolutely definite that the value of "File View" in the quick menu has decreased. Whether it's decreased enough for removal is somebody else's decision. |
09:50:38 | ddalton | ok so if I put it at the top under the include will that work? |
09:50:59 | GodEater | ddalton: I'd put it after any variable definitions too |
09:51:14 | LinusN | ddalton: yes, and if you provide a prototype, you can put it anywhere you like |
09:51:19 | GodEater | ddalton: besides, if putting it somewhere doesn't work - you can always move it again! |
09:51:28 | ddalton | and is this right? void my_function (void) { code } |
09:51:53 | GodEater | ddalton: looks fine to me |
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09:51:59 | LinusN | ddalton: yes, that looks correct, provided that the function doesn't talke any arguments |
09:52:13 | ddalton | ok and what would you put between the braces as a test? |
09:52:33 | LinusN | ddalton: some code? :-) |
09:52:39 | ddalton | What do you mean by "talke any arguments" |
09:52:51 | LinusN | ddalton: typo, i meant "take" |
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09:53:11 | JdGordon | ddalton: you really should read your C book a bit more before trying rockbox hacknig |
09:53:45 | * | GodEater reads the latest ramblings in the e200r thread |
09:54:03 | JdGordon | anyway, chaning topics.... anyone want to comment on the organiseing the rocks folder patch? |
09:54:25 | ddalton | Well JdGordon I have read it and the function worked in a small c program I wrote |
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09:56:25 | ddalton | LinusN will this work? void my_function (void) { talk_id(LANG_DISK_SIZE_INFO, true); } of course on separate lines. |
09:56:53 | LinusN | ddalton: guess so |
09:57:08 | ddalton | ok thanks I will give it a go. |
09:58:27 | GodEater | ddalton: do you have some aversion to just trying it and seeing what happens ? |
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10:00:10 | ddalton | LinusN how would I add an option to the time menu under system? could you tell me where to look? or tell me what I would need to do? |
10:01:33 | ddalton | no this is a whole different thing about the time menu. |
10:04:18 | ddalton | hey aliask did you see my email I sent yesterday? |
10:04:30 | LinusN | ddalton: you want to add a menu item to the time menu? |
10:05:02 | ddalton | yes that is right i want it to say "voice time as?" and under that 24 hour and 12 hour. would that work? |
10:05:03 | LinusN | in that case, you want to edit the file apps/menus/settings_menu.c |
10:05:14 | ddalton | ok and what should I look for? |
10:05:43 | LinusN | but you will also have to edit apps/settings_list.c to add the new option to the settings structure |
10:06:01 | LinusN | and also apps/settings.h i think |
10:06:18 | ddalton | what's in settings.h |
10:06:29 | LinusN | ddalton: you should begin with adding the option to the settings struct |
10:06:57 | ddalton | in settings_list.c or something? |
10:06:58 | LinusN | settings.h contains the huge struct definition for the settings |
10:07:22 | ddalton | how would I then check to see what that setting is set to in my code? |
10:08:03 | LinusN | ddalton: in settings.h, look for the struct member called "timeformat", it's on line 444 in the current version of the file |
10:08:55 | LinusN | then add your new member, called "voice_timeformat" or something |
10:09:24 | LinusN | just copy the line with the timeformat definition and rename it to voice_timeformat |
10:10:22 | LinusN | put it right below the timeformat definition |
10:10:41 | * | LinusN is in a helping mood today |
10:11:02 | LinusN | i guess that's what vacation does to you :-) |
10:11:18 | petur | would have been faster if you wrote him a patch ;) |
10:11:28 | ddalton | thanks for that |
10:12:35 | ddalton | do I call my function like this: my_function(); and the start of the actual function is void my_function(void) will that work? |
10:12:48 | ddalton | I mean calling it in the actual code |
10:13:50 | LinusN | ddalton: that's how it's done |
10:15:16 | LinusN | petur: you know, give a man a fish.... |
10:15:49 | petur | I only know about the finger/hand - what comes with the fish? |
10:16:10 | petur | chips? |
10:16:40 | ddalton | ok now just one more question about the time setting. what do I do after going to line 444 in settings.h and copying it? |
10:17:34 | TiMiD[FD] | JdGordon: I had a quick glance at your patch |
10:17:45 | JdGordon | ... and? |
10:17:46 | LinusN | petur: "Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you have fed him for a lifetime" |
10:18:21 | petur | LinusN: ah.. that one :) |
10:18:31 | TiMiD[FD] | it's a good idea indeed, but wouldn't it be nice to move the sourcefiles as well ? |
10:18:53 | LinusN | ddalton: you have copied the timeformat line, pasted it right below and renamed it to voice_timeformat? |
10:19:01 | TiMiD[FD] | that way we would avoid using TARGETDIR and it would become clearer for devs as well |
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10:19:39 | LinusN | petur: or this one "Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life" :-) |
10:19:44 | JdGordon | TiMiD[FD]: yeah maybe, but beyond the scope of the patch |
10:19:53 | ddalton | well my build is compiling but I am writing down what you are saying so I can do that once the function is work. but once I rename what do I need to do next? |
10:19:56 | petur | rofl |
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10:20:19 | TiMiD[FD] | bah it's only a few hundred of svn mv :) |
10:20:47 | TiMiD[FD] | (I'm exagerating a little bit) |
10:21:18 | LinusN | ddalton: editing the settings.h file will add the option to the settings struct, next thing to do is to edit the settings code to be able to change and save the setting |
10:21:42 | LinusN | ddalton: that is done in the file apps/settings_list.c |
10:22:28 | LinusN | ddalton: again, find the section with the "timeformat" option, lines 466-468 |
10:23:36 | pondlife | LinusN: back back back!! |
10:23:39 | LinusN | ddalton: copy those 3 lines and paste them right below, then rename "timeformat" to "voice_timeformat" and also rename the string "time format" to "voice time format" |
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10:24:46 | LinusN | pondlife: huh? |
10:25:03 | pondlife | No worries, just belatedly celebrating your safe return ;) |
10:25:35 | LinusN | hahaha |
10:26:02 | pondlife | Although you might want to discuss bootloaders with XavierGr (see IRC logs). |
10:26:38 | LinusN | ddalton: looking at the apps/settings_list.c file, i suddenly remember that you will have to add a new phrase to the language file as well... |
10:26:51 | LinusN | pondlife: the h115 issue? |
10:28:07 | pondlife | Yes, ata_init locks I think |
10:28:42 | pondlife | He has been debugging. |
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10:29:16 | n1s | Llorean: re: no "Load to ram" on sansas, It seems that was disabled by the sd patch http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/export/config.h?r1=13573&r2=13741&pathrev=14198 |
10:29:43 | LinusN | pondlife: i'll see if i can try it on my h110 |
10:30:27 | pondlife | LinusN: Not updated my H340 recently, my current bootloader does all I need it to... |
10:32:22 | aliask | Would deasserting ATA_EN on GPIO power down the ata interface? |
10:32:37 | LinusN | btw, i guess it's time to start building bleeding edge voice files now |
10:33:12 | LinusN | aliask: no |
10:33:57 | LinusN | aliask: it merely activates the USB-ATA chip |
10:33:58 | pondlife | LinusN: Bleeding-edge voice files would be great, but do we have a suitable TTS engine? |
10:34:06 | LinusN | festival |
10:34:46 | LinusN | i believe Bagder has prepared for it already, but i might be mistaken |
10:35:11 | n1s | LinusN: I think you are right, he was talking about it yesterday |
10:35:41 | pondlife | Hmm, LinusN appears, and amiconn vanishes... :/ |
10:35:47 | LinusN | the langv2 system will be a pain for those who want recent voice files with non-free tts:es |
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10:36:12 | pondlife | Does rbutil not make it easy to make your own voice files? |
10:36:22 | pondlife | I heard a rumour... |
10:36:36 | LinusN | that's news to me |
10:36:49 | LinusN | i only knew it could create .talk files |
10:36:51 | pondlife | Maybe it's just the .talk clips. |
10:37:15 | pondlife | Would be useful if it could also incorporate the lang->voice stuff. |
10:37:24 | LinusN | it would be wonderful if the win32 version could generate .voice files as well |
10:37:54 | pondlife | I rarely have the same voice used for both .talk and .voice files - a schizo DAP, indeed. |
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10:40:17 | pondlife | amiconn: Morning, what's your current best 3G run-time? I checked the logs but couldn't find the result. |
10:40:29 | * | amiconn has no G3... |
10:40:44 | amiconn | G2 runtime was 16h 3min |
10:40:49 | pondlife | Ah, sorry - I meant G2 |
10:40:55 | GodEater | that's with the non-standard battery though right ? |
10:41:09 | amiconn | That's ~20% better than apple, taking the higher capacity battery into account |
10:41:20 | ddalton | thanks LinusN forr all of that great info! I will deffinetly use it and I saved all your chats. also what is rbutil |
10:41:22 | amiconn | Yes, 1600mAh instead of 1230mAh |
10:41:22 | pondlife | What increase did disk poweroff give, plenty by the sound of it. |
10:41:33 | pondlife | Or was there another breakthrough too? |
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10:41:51 | GodEater | ddalton: rbutil (or RockboxUtility) is our new program to install Rockbox |
10:41:54 | LinusN | ddalton: rbutil is a pc/mac application to install and update rockbox on your dap |
10:42:00 | amiconn | About half of the gain is due to disk poweroff, the other half due to disabling unused parts of the PP (estimtion) |
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10:42:41 | pondlife | amiconn: Last question (for now, honest).. Is any part of these discoveries relevant to the later iPods? |
10:42:49 | amiconn | The latter isn't committed yet, as it also affects the G3. I want to check the G3 disassembly before committing to make sure it's correct |
10:43:00 | GodEater | ddalton: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
10:43:11 | nerochiaro | does anyone know what the old rockbox daily archives seem to have 3 copies of the whole source tree in them: one in the root dir of the archive, one in "rockbox.old" and one in "rockbox" ? |
10:43:17 | amiconn | saratoga tried it on his G3 and didn't observe problem |
10:43:18 | GodEater | pondlife: no - they're not 502x compatible changes |
10:43:19 | amiconn | s |
10:43:50 | amiconn | GodEater, pondlife: No, but I intend to look for the respective bits on PP502x as well |
10:44:11 | * | amiconn wonders why th eipl people stopped so early with their RE |
10:44:12 | * | pondlife is happy |
10:44:14 | Falen | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY alfabetet123 |
10:44:27 | LinusN | nerochiaro: haha, oops |
10:44:37 | amiconn | There is lots more interesting stuff to discover.... |
10:45:00 | amiconn | n1s: Is it normal that no translation seems to work atm? |
10:45:35 | amiconn | woo, wb LinusN :) |
10:45:44 | LinusN | amiconn: thx :-) |
10:45:46 | GodEater | amiconn: I guess the iPL people got more interested in their apps than their kernel |
10:45:57 | n1s | amiconn: no, they should work, although a few renamed strings will be in english... |
10:46:03 | GodEater | look how old the iPL kernel is now |
10:46:09 | nerochiaro | LinusN: well, i don't really care for the extra space ;) but which of the three should i use ? |
10:46:18 | amiconn | n1s: wHEN i LOAD DEUTSCH.LANG ON MY 2ND GEN, _ALL_ STRINGS STAY ENGLISH... |
10:46:23 | ddalton | doesn't simulator create the rockbox.iriver file? |
10:46:26 | amiconn | Oops, damn caps lock |
10:46:29 | LinusN | nerochiaro: i don't know, i am investigating |
10:46:33 | nerochiaro | LinusN: thanks |
10:46:45 | Llorean | jhMikeS: You around? You seem to have disabled "Load to RAM" for database and "Dircache" on Sansa. If anything, they should be permanently on rather than permanently off, as disabling them prevents the database from being able to remove files. |
10:46:56 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I assume this is partially because Dircache + SD is problematic? |
10:46:58 | GodEater | ddalton: no - it creates a rockboxui executable |
10:47:12 | n1s | amiconn: hmm, weird, I get that here now too, could swear it worked yesterday... |
10:48:03 | ddalton | ok thanks |
10:48:04 | n1s | amiconn: if I change language english->swedish->swedish it works... |
10:48:15 | amiconn | Llorean: Dircache + hotswap won't work together |
10:48:39 | amiconn | n1s: No matter how often I click deutsch.lang, it stays english |
10:49:04 | amiconn | deutsch.lng I mean |
10:49:11 | n1s | amiconn: are you sure you made a full install overwrithing the .lng file? |
10:49:15 | Llorean | amiconn: If dircache can handle added files and deleted folders, why can't it handle hotswap (if a little slow for the scan)? |
10:49:28 | amiconn | Yes, I made fullzip, no change |
10:50:00 | amiconn | Llorean: Someone needs to adapt it, and I'm afraid the only one who really understands the inner workings is Slasheri |
10:50:08 | Llorean | Ah |
10:50:26 | n1s | amiconn: ah, did you reconfigure before building? |
10:50:33 | amiconn | no |
10:50:37 | n1s | try that |
10:50:55 | amiconn | Hmm, let's see whether that works (running on battery atm) |
10:50:59 | Llorean | Unfortunate. =/ |
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11:00:07 | advcomp2019 | my laptop needs a new hinge for the screen |
11:02:35 | ddalton | does anyone know why my simulator build of rockbox isn't talking? |
11:03:16 | GodEater | ddalton: did you run "make install" after the compile had finished ? |
11:03:52 | ddalton | yeah I think so should I run it again cause I forgot |
11:03:53 | amiconn | n1s: Do voice files now have a target specific header? |
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11:04:01 | n1s | amiconn: yes |
11:04:13 | amiconn | So old voices won' |
11:04:18 | amiconn | t work anymore... |
11:04:20 | n1s | nope |
11:04:48 | * | amiconn really needs to bring the vbscript up to date and integrate it into the build system (for use on cygwin) |
11:05:17 | n1s | amiconn: if the voice format hadn't changed the old voice files would not work correct anyway because of changed IDs |
11:05:26 | amiconn | yup |
11:06:23 | ddalton | will I need the fonts cause I am building for a h300? |
11:06:37 | amiconn | n1s: After reconfiguring, full rebild + fullzip I do have german menus |
11:06:49 | n1s | amiconn: good :-) |
11:06:51 | safetydan | Any bets on how long it will be before the gains made by the lang v2 changes are gone? |
11:07:06 | amiconn | That is, they're partially english... |
11:07:30 | n1s | amiconn: that is becuse of renamed IDs and will take some work to fix, or a clever script |
11:08:03 | safetydan | oh and congratulations n1s on finally getting that patch over the line |
11:08:12 | n1s | ddalton: if you 'make install' fonts will be installed |
11:08:17 | pondlife | Hmm, SVN sim is giving "Filetype array full" here |
11:08:30 | ddalton | anyone going to think about commiting p6159? |
11:08:36 | n1s | safetydan: thanks, and congrats to you too, the starter of the patch :-) |
11:08:46 | amiconn | gtg |
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11:09:02 | n1s | ddalton: I will take a look at it soon |
11:09:18 | ddalton | ok and could you also look at p6138 |
11:09:32 | n1s | ddalton: one patch at a time :-) |
11:10:12 | ddalton | ok then p6159 is the big one it voices about 100 more splash screens apparently. |
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11:12:50 | leftright | "List Acceleration" |
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11:30:04 | nerochiaro | is any of the rockbox targets part of the ARM9E family ? the gigabeat is ARM9, but ARM9TDMI |
11:31:46 | ddalton | will my voice file from yesterday work on to days latest svn build? |
11:32:44 | GodEater | I didn't think the Gigabeat *was* TDMI |
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11:33:50 | Nicofrand | hi |
11:33:52 | nerochiaro | GodEater: in the configs it says S3C2440, which seems to be an ARM920T which is part of ARM9TDMI. i may be wrong of course |
11:34:02 | GodEater | ah |
11:34:07 | GodEater | that might be where I was confused |
11:34:16 | Llorean | nerochiaro: Why do you want an ARM9E? |
11:34:52 | LinusN | nerochiaro: i have found the problem with the source archives, but it is not an easy fix. in the meantime, ignore the "rockbox" and "rockbox.old" subdirs |
11:35:00 | nerochiaro | Llorean: i'm trying to use your WMA codec on another machine that is not supported by rockbox, but being an ARM9 should work there too |
11:35:24 | nerochiaro | Llorean: and i'm trying to find the nearest config among the ones you support |
11:35:44 | nerochiaro | Llorean: ok, i'll use only the root dir. i've removed the other two |
11:35:49 | nerochiaro | er, LinusN sorry |
11:36:13 | nerochiaro | LinusN: thanks |
11:37:36 | Nicofrand | tell me, if my mp3 player is not in the list of the supported players, i can't install rockbox or does it only means that nobody tested it? |
11:37:51 | Llorean | Nicofrand: You can't install. |
11:37:57 | Llorean | Rockbox needs to be tailored to specific hardware. |
11:38:13 | Nicofrand | ok |
11:38:19 | Nicofrand | :/ |
11:39:20 | Nicofrand | Are there some projects like rockbox which would support other players? |
11:39:41 | Llorean | If you find some, let us know. We can probably share work. |
11:39:58 | Nicofrand | ok.. |
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11:43:50 | GodEater | I think Archopen and iPL are the only other similar projects we know about |
11:44:08 | GodEater | and currenty we support most of the same targets as iPL anyway |
11:44:22 | Nicofrand | ok |
11:44:36 | Nicofrand | but i have a little thomson lyra player :D |
11:44:41 | Llorean | GodEater: Most? |
11:44:59 | GodEater | Llorean: we still don't have bootloaders for 1G and 2G as I understand it ? |
11:45:09 | Nicofrand | it's a good player but it doesn't support ogg vorbis files :( |
11:45:10 | nerochiaro | if firmware/export/system.h i see #include "system-target.h" and i see there are various of these files according to arch. can anyone tell me how is it decidec which one is picked up ? |
11:45:17 | Llorean | GodEater: You don't need a bootloader to run Rockbox. ;) |
11:45:21 | Llorean | At least on iPods |
11:45:38 | GodEater | true - but that's advanced usage ;) |
11:45:44 | XavierGr | ah Linus! Welcome back. |
11:46:12 | Llorean | GodEater: I think 1g/2g are supported, just not Supported, as it were. |
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11:46:37 | GodEater | so in fact your previous statement is not entirely true ;) |
11:46:59 | Llorean | I suppose |
11:47:12 | Llorean | But then, in *our* sense of "Support" how many iPL targets are? ;) |
11:47:27 | GodEater | 3 I think |
11:47:39 | GodEater | I don't pay much attention to what they support tho |
11:47:43 | Llorean | Heh |
11:47:43 | GodEater | since I don't much care |
11:48:06 | * | GodEater needs elevenses, and wanders off for food |
11:49:20 | LinusN | nerochiaro: it is decided when you run the tools/configure script |
11:50:06 | nerochiaro | LinusN: ah, ok, so i'll just fake it by adding an extra -I |
11:50:08 | LinusN | nerochiaro: which in turn creates the makefile, which sets the #include search path for the compiler |
11:50:20 | LinusN | nerochiaro: what are you trying to accomplish? |
11:51:20 | nerochiaro | LinusN: building the wma codec from rockbox sources in the most self-contained way |
11:51:31 | LinusN | i see |
11:51:32 | nerochiaro | LinusN: so i can use it without rockbox at all |
11:51:54 | nerochiaro | LinusN: maybe i'm on the wrong track completely |
11:52:23 | LinusN | well, it really depends on what you are doing and why |
11:52:45 | LinusN | i'll leave that for you to decide |
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11:53:48 | LinusN | nerochiaro: neuros? |
11:54:19 | nerochiaro | LinusN: yes, the Neuros OSD is in need of a WMA codec. and the one in rockbox seems the best i've seen so far, so i'm trying to pick it up |
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11:55:52 | ddalton | Ok I can't get anything to work so maybe i should go and read another c book. so does anyone know of a good c book? |
11:56:02 | ddalton | to read so I can program rockbox |
11:56:05 | LinusN | nerochiaro: have you been in touch with michael giacomelli? |
11:56:34 | nerochiaro | LinusN: no, i don't think so. unless i know him by nickname and not by full name |
11:56:49 | petur | He's Saratoga |
11:57:11 | * | petur scratches memory |
11:57:22 | LinusN | ddalton: if you are getting compiler errors - read a book, if you can't get your rockbox modifications to work - keep bugging us |
11:57:50 | LinusN | petur, nerochiaro: yes, "saratoga" is his IRC nick |
11:58:01 | nerochiaro | ah, well, i had not found a time where we both were online to talk, but i intend to do that |
11:58:24 | LinusN | nerochiaro: he is the guy who ported the WMA codec to rockbox as a GSOC project |
11:59:29 | nerochiaro | LinusN: i'll make sure to talk with him then |
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12:00:39 | * | GodEater would imagine linuxstb knows a bit about it too since he wrote the .asf parser |
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12:00:57 | XavierGr | LinusN: do you know if there is a way to mod the H100 series to autopower on USB (or AC adapter) like the H300s? |
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12:01:20 | LinusN | XavierGr: shouldn't be too hard |
12:01:47 | LinusN | but it might require a nontrivial mod |
12:02:10 | XavierGr | do I need external parts for it? |
12:03:05 | LinusN | "external" |
12:03:07 | LinusN | ? |
12:03:19 | XavierGr | I think that delivering a signal to the play button upon USB connection will do the job, but I can't find something that will give it a pulse |
12:03:24 | GodEater | "components not already present in the H100" ? |
12:03:28 | LinusN | you will probably need at least a transistor |
12:03:39 | XavierGr | GodEater: yes |
12:03:47 | XavierGr | ok that sounds feasible |
12:04:28 | LinusN | but i would have to check the pcb/schematics a little more to know for sure |
12:04:52 | XavierGr | the thread I made is this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11780.0 pabouk mentions something about a chip but I am not even sure if I can find that |
12:05:30 | ddalton | ok I think I should read a book because I am probably becoming anoying. so do you know of any good online books. cause I am blind and I can't really read one from the book shop. |
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12:12:57 | ddalton | LinusN it can |
12:13:03 | ddalton | handle chm files |
12:13:19 | ddalton | is there a book you know of in that format? |
12:13:53 | ddalton | in this window? |
12:14:31 | * | GodEater detects an unfamiliarity with private messages... |
12:15:15 | LinusN | :-) |
12:15:35 | * | petur reads 7539 and wonders how Llorean manages to attract negative comments so easily... |
12:16:05 | Llorean | I'll admit I was a bit harsh there. |
12:16:26 | petur | it doesn't sound harsh to me though |
12:16:27 | GodEater | it would have come off nicer without "remotely" :) |
12:16:37 | Llorean | Yeah, remotely is the key word. |
12:16:48 | GodEater | although I agree with you mostly - it's a complete waste of time |
12:16:51 | Llorean | Then again I'm quite sure "break every user's database to rearrange files in a folder people shouldn't see" isn't a remotely good idea. ;) |
12:16:53 | LinusN | "even remotely" sounds a little harsh to me |
12:17:08 | Llorean | LinusN: I already admitted to being too harsh there. |
12:18:39 | petur | I would rather have all data files (database, config) moved to one directory, if possible outside the .rockbox tree - maybe .rockbox_data? |
12:19:02 | Llorean | All runtime generated files you mean? |
12:19:12 | Llorean | Or including themes, etc? |
12:19:23 | petur | not themes |
12:19:24 | * | GodEater would still like to see themes rolled up into tarballs |
12:19:41 | petur | everything you can't reinstall |
12:20:18 | Llorean | Ah, so files that are lost forever if you accidentally delete the .rockbox forever. |
12:20:22 | petur | would make it easier to backup and also wipe/reinstall rockbox |
12:20:28 | petur | yes |
12:21:18 | Llorean | Would a simple solution be just to search .rockbox_data before .rockbox for any file/folder expected to be in .rockbox? |
12:21:37 | Llorean | Then the user can decide if they want to include themes in their backup, and if a theme folder doesn't exist there it uses the one in .rockbox? |
12:21:43 | GodEater | you mean make the location of the file optional ? |
12:21:45 | Llorean | Well, not "simple" |
12:21:49 | Llorean | But rather "flexible" |
12:22:24 | Llorean | Though I guess that wouldn't work automatically for runtime generated stuff still |
12:22:47 | petur | what about a transition plugin that gets run if at startup the .rockbox_data dir doesn't exist? |
12:22:58 | GodEater | clever solution |
12:23:14 | petur | I'm also thinking about plugin data (highscores) although I don't use games... |
12:23:46 | GodEater | is there a definitive list of transitive data somewhere ? |
12:23:58 | petur | not that I know |
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12:42:56 | modules | i have installed successfully rockbox on ipod video, mac os x. |
12:43:11 | modules | to get in usb-diskmode i have to reboot my os everytime. |
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12:48:10 | GodEater | 6959 should be handled with the recent "set recording dir" change shouldn't it ? |
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12:48:49 | * | JdGordon slaps bluebrother round with root_menu.c.. if you want it more KISS i welcome a patch |
12:49:15 | pondlife | JdGordon: ? |
12:49:32 | JdGordon | re a comment on irc from last night while i was sleeping |
12:49:35 | pondlife | Ah |
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13:16:20 | ddalton | switch statements |
13:16:36 | ddalton | are they used in rockbox a lot? |
13:16:40 | JdGordon | default: what abot them? |
13:16:44 | JdGordon | about* |
13:16:47 | LinusN | ddalton: yes |
13:16:47 | * | JdGordon was too slow |
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13:22:08 | n1s | Any swedish speaking/writing people here have a good suggestion for translating "Add to shortcuts", "Lägg till till genvägar" is not nice... |
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13:26:09 | JdGordon | does anyone else think showing every viewer in the open with screen is pointless? it should only show plugins which will read the file extension of the selected file? |
13:26:20 | pondlife | Yes |
13:26:28 | pondlife | I've thought that before |
13:26:34 | pondlife | Based on viewers.config |
13:26:42 | * | JdGordon thinking about doing a bit of an overhaul in filetypes.c |
13:27:04 | pondlife | Start by fixing up the size of the array.. |
13:27:10 | * | GodEater thinks text editor / viewer should be a globally selectable option there though |
13:27:12 | obo | it might be handy to allow a few viewers to open any type of file, ie viewer, text_editor... |
13:27:23 | * | GodEater sees that he and obo think alike |
13:27:24 | JdGordon | probably change it to linked list so we get rid of that stupid array |
13:27:33 | pondlife | I'd rather have none of this hard coded... |
13:27:35 | JdGordon | obo: yeah, * for the extension will allow that |
13:27:43 | pondlife | ..if we can put it into viewers.config. |
13:27:53 | pondlife | JdGordon: Unrelatedly, why didn't http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594 (iPod scrollwheel acceleration) get committed? |
13:28:03 | pondlife | Was that because of me? I hope not :) |
13:28:18 | GodEater | why what did you do pondlife ? |
13:29:05 | * | JdGordon wonders why pondlife is feeling guilty |
13:29:09 | pondlife | I was arguing, slightly, that jhMikeS's Sansa wheel stuff should be used instead. |
13:29:25 | JdGordon | but no, it hasnt gone in because it should work the same was as jhMikeS's code |
13:29:33 | crashd_ | is there an ipod firmware redistributable? |
13:30:14 | GodEater | a what? |
13:30:49 | crashd_ | a way to install the apple firmware without the use of itunes |
13:31:22 | GodEater | yes there is |
13:31:26 | aliask | Anyone familiar with the SPI protocol? |
13:31:28 | GodEater | the method is in the wiki |
13:31:45 | crashd_ | GodEater: cheears |
13:31:58 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
13:32:17 | daurnimator | aliask: uh, what is SPI again? sounds familiar |
13:32:18 | petur | aliask: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Peripheral_Interface_Bus |
13:32:29 | aliask | daurnimator: Serial peripheral interface |
13:32:44 | daurnimator | probably think of something else :S |
13:33:12 | GodEater | Sexually Promiscuous Individual ? |
13:33:36 | * | petur sends GodEater to the corner |
13:33:44 | * | GodEater takes a chair and a book |
13:33:45 | * | JdGordon not sharing a room with GodEater at devcon08 :p |
13:33:55 | LinusN | aliask: what do you want to know? |
13:34:18 | aliask | When reading from the SPI, does the CPU have to be in slave mode? |
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13:34:38 | LinusN | which cpu? |
13:35:07 | aliask | The imx31 has a built in SPI block, so that'd be the imx31 |
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13:35:34 | LinusN | the cpu is always master when reading from an spi device |
13:35:50 | petur | aliask: the controller sending the read command must also supply the clocking to actually read back the data |
13:36:44 | aliask | petur: Hrm, I might have to make sure it's sending the clock, but I think it should be. |
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13:37:19 | petur | yes it should be |
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13:38:01 | aliask | I see that when the master sends a read packet, the slave also outputs to MISO - is that the value to be read? |
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13:38:52 | JdGordon | is there any good reason for the inbuilt filetypes? seen as we ship a viewers.config anyway |
13:39:04 | petur | aliask: yes |
13:39:37 | salty-horse | hi. compiling from svn, the menu system has gone crazy. the settings menu is full of strings from other places, and choosing those options leads me to other places altogether. |
13:39:52 | aliask | So to read, you send a packet just containing the address (with the write bit not set, and no data), and then read the contents of the RXFIFO? |
13:39:54 | LinusN | JdGordon: not really |
13:40:11 | JdGordon | thats what I wanted to hear :) |
13:40:37 | * | GodEater can feel a green delta coming on |
13:40:46 | JdGordon | not for a while |
13:40:51 | * | JdGordon still planning |
13:40:58 | * | GodEater remembers he is in the corner and faces the wall again |
13:41:00 | JdGordon | ... and you all thought i went straught into hacking |
13:41:02 | petur | but that file is read and cached, right? |
13:41:06 | LinusN | salty-horse: are you sure you are updating the entire .rockbox tree, and not just the rockbox binary? |
13:41:14 | JdGordon | petur: yeah, of course |
13:41:23 | pondlife | If you can delta as green as langv2 did, then please hack straight away :p |
13:41:45 | salty-horse | yes. using "make zip", unzip on the device root, and confirm all replacements |
13:41:48 | * | GodEater feels the delta table should definitely implement shades of green |
13:41:59 | salty-horse | i'll try again, just to be sure |
13:43:06 | * | JdGordon not sure how to handle talking if the inbuilts are removed |
13:43:35 | LinusN | JdGordon: huh? |
13:43:47 | pondlife | Isn't there some kind of extension handling in lang/voice files anyway? |
13:44:26 | JdGordon | the inbuilts have a VOICE_EXT_ associated with them... I dnt know how that is used though |
13:45:08 | n1s | salty-horse: make sure you reconfigure before rebuilding |
13:45:23 | * | n1s forgot to put that in the commit message... |
13:46:47 | salty-horse | n1s, the first time i executed "tools/configure update".. noticed the bad menus and tried "tools/configure" instead - is this correct? |
13:47:34 | n1s | salty-horse: I don't think our configure script takes arguments |
13:47:53 | n1s | salty-horse: are you building a clean rockbox checkout? |
13:48:12 | salty-horse | yes.. it worked last week |
13:48:27 | salty-horse | from docs/README: |
13:48:27 | salty-horse | Whenever the tools/configure script gets updated, you can make your makefile |
13:48:27 | salty-horse | updated too by running 'tools/configure update'. |
13:49:55 | n1s | salty-horse: do a 'svn up' in your rockbox source tree, and if it doesn't complain do '../tools/configure in you build dir and then 'make clean' and then 'make' |
13:50:40 | salty-horse | it will take some time |
13:51:09 | * | GodEater finds "rm -rf *" in his build dir followed by a configure is the best way |
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13:51:27 | JdGordon | make clean is just as good |
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13:53:20 | [IDC]Dragon | let's see if thist works... Hello Rockbox! |
13:53:31 | GodEater | appearred to work to me |
13:53:43 | [IDC]Dragon | haha, thanks |
13:53:48 | GodEater | [IDC]Dragon: were you expecting it not to ? ;) |
13:53:51 | JdGordon | wtf happened to the front page? the whole changelog fits in half my screen! |
13:54:07 | JdGordon | damn these 1 file commits! |
13:54:08 | [IDC]Dragon | this is a new installation |
13:54:38 | [IDC]Dragon | looks like amiconn isn't around |
13:55:03 | GodEater | he was around earlier... |
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13:55:19 | [IDC]Dragon | I wanted to point him to an embedded USB master implementation |
13:55:32 | [IDC]Dragon | which is in german |
13:55:33 | GodEater | I'm sure he'll read the logs.. |
13:55:56 | GodEater | or you could MemoServ him |
13:56:09 | [IDC]Dragon | for the log: http://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/75254#new |
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13:56:18 | JdGordon | LinusN: have you got an opinion on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5464 ? |
13:56:24 | [IDC]Dragon | MemoServ? |
13:56:38 | GodEater | /msg MemoServ help |
13:57:09 | salty-horse | n1s, its still borked. for example, the settings menu has these items: "sound settings", "general settings", "use file .talk clips", "cleared", "write .cfg file" |
13:57:21 | petur | JdGordon: does that put the plugins in categories? |
13:57:34 | JdGordon | yeah |
13:57:48 | petur | are the category names translatable? |
13:58:08 | GodEater | I think that was the idea |
13:58:14 | petur | or is it just a tree viewer |
13:58:47 | JdGordon | the plugin browser becomes a submenu with the categry names |
13:58:51 | JdGordon | so they are xlatable |
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13:59:01 | petur | nice |
13:59:11 | LinusN | JdGordon: looks good to me after a quick glance |
13:59:36 | n1s | salty-horse: are you entirely sure you have a clean current checkout and did all the steps i described? |
13:59:43 | [IDC]Dragon | GodEater: MemoServ'ed, thanks |
13:59:49 | JdGordon | ok cool, I'll give it a few days in case anyone wants to object before commiting then |
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14:00:02 | GodEater | [IDC]Dragon: hope he's registered to get notifiy'd he has a message |
14:00:04 | LinusN | you will of course be slashed to pieces by the "oh no! now i need X click to start the Y plugin!" crowd :-) |
14:00:09 | GodEater | last time I tried MemoServ out I never got a reply |
14:00:29 | * | JdGordon will get over it :D |
14:00:41 | salty-horse | yes. I executed "tools/configure" again and updated my makefile, then I "make clean"ed and "make" and "make zip" |
14:00:42 | GodEater | LinusN: hopefully the "we want plugins split into catergories" crowd will protect him |
14:00:50 | LinusN | hopefully :-) |
14:01:04 | salty-horse | oh wait |
14:01:19 | salty-horse | no its nothing |
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14:01:38 | * | petur added vote to the patch |
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14:01:46 | DerPapst | morning at all |
14:01:56 | petur | not again :p |
14:01:58 | * | GodEater votes too |
14:02:27 | JdGordon | yay, ill be president in no time now |
14:03:03 | LinusN | JdGordon: i'm not sure TARGETDIR is the best name |
14:03:20 | LinusN | TARGET has a special meaning in the embedded world |
14:03:33 | JdGordon | I'm open to suggestions |
14:03:41 | DerPapst | voted |
14:03:55 | JdGordon | also, are the category names ok? misc, games, applicatinos, demos ? |
14:04:11 | petur | applicatinos? |
14:04:18 | LinusN | i think FOLDERS was pretty good |
14:04:25 | DerPapst | petur: no worries... i'm at work for already 5 hours :P |
14:04:26 | JdGordon | yeah, its spanish-english :p |
14:04:27 | petur | small applications? |
14:05:09 | GodEater | surely that's an applet ? ;) |
14:05:15 | JdGordon | I'm thinking I want to put viewers in rocks/viewers instead of apps so they arnt so accesable |
14:05:25 | LinusN | it's games/apps/demos now, right? |
14:05:32 | JdGordon | yeah |
14:05:56 | DerPapst | petur: have you seen the link [IDC]Dragon posted? might be interesting for you and austiancoder.... |
14:06:15 | petur | yes, but no time for that right now.... |
14:07:27 | DerPapst | mkay |
14:07:28 | LinusN | JdGordon: sounds like a good idea, at least for those viewers that don't work as apps too |
14:08:28 | JdGordon | LinusN: isnt FOLDERS too similar to SUBFOLDERS which is used for gcc? |
14:08:34 | JdGordon | s/gcc/compiling |
14:09:15 | LinusN | you mean SUBDIRS? |
14:09:25 | JdGordon | yeah |
14:09:30 | JdGordon | altough, i guess not |
14:09:34 | LinusN | you could call it CATEGORIES |
14:09:41 | JdGordon | categries wins |
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14:17:31 | JdGordon | GodEater: shorcuts, app or viewer? |
14:18:12 | GodEater | both - but mainly a viewer |
14:18:15 | petur | if it is also functional when run I'd say app |
14:18:35 | petur | *when run standalone |
14:18:39 | GodEater | I'd put it under viewers for a category anyway |
14:18:42 | JdGordon | yeah, thats the destinction... |
14:18:49 | JdGordon | viewers is not accessable from the plugin browser |
14:19:00 | JdGordon | so if it can run standalone its an app |
14:19:20 | GodEater | well up to you - but the "run as an app" thing is kind of an afterthought |
14:19:28 | GodEater | and you don't gain any other functionality from it doing so |
14:19:56 | petur | you mean you can't do anything with it if run standalone? |
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14:20:12 | GodEater | you can - it loads the "global" shortcuts file in the same way as if you'd clicked on the file |
14:20:36 | petur | so it's an app... |
14:21:01 | GodEater | guess so - though I can't imagine anyone actually using it like that |
14:21:46 | * | petur can't imagine anyone using cube too... |
14:21:57 | GodEater | hehe |
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14:30:09 | * | GodEater isn't sure what petur means. Cube is practically all I use Rockbox for. |
14:30:24 | pondlife | Can't beat a bit of cube |
14:30:36 | pondlife | Especially in wireframe |
14:31:19 | GodEater | it's phat |
14:31:22 | GodEater | or something |
14:31:36 | JdGordon | you have to press left left up left right down jump forward side side down |
14:31:37 | * | petur shakes head |
14:31:48 | pondlife | Seriously, I'll be happy that this categorisation will result in the seperation of the useless "demos" (useless aside from programming examples). |
14:31:56 | GodEater | petur: corner again ? :( |
14:32:00 | petur | yup |
14:32:08 | * | GodEater slouches off to the corner once more. |
14:33:08 | dionoea | howdy |
14:33:37 | petur | heya |
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14:39:35 | JdGordon | any obvious mistakes? http://www.pastebin.ca/647407 (apart from doom and some in /rocks |
14:39:58 | JdGordon | should credits go in demos? or stay in rocks? |
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14:41:07 | petur | it's an app, no? |
14:41:57 | JdGordon | well... not really |
14:42:06 | JdGordon | i'm incliuned to just leave it in rocks actually |
14:42:42 | petur | or stuff it with the viewers as it is called directly by the main code |
14:46:32 | * | GodEater votes for viewers |
14:47:25 | JdGordon | I got rid of the misc category, I dont think its needed |
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14:48:01 | GodEater | pacbox, maze and reversi should all be in games too ? |
14:48:34 | JdGordon | yeah, missed them |
14:48:44 | JdGordon | running make install again to make sure nothing is missed |
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14:50:09 | GodEater | wasn't iriverify a plugin once? I don't see it there |
14:50:22 | GodEater | or has it got some other weird name ? |
14:50:56 | JdGordon | i guess its only h1xx... i did that from the e200 sim |
14:51:10 | JdGordon | have to do a build for each target to make sure none are missed :( |
14:51:31 | GodEater | ouch |
14:52:05 | B4gder | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/buildall-daily.pl?revision=13478&view=markup :-) |
14:52:16 | GodEater | hasn't GRaTT done a verion of iriverify for the sansa too ? |
14:52:29 | JdGordon | B4gder: thanks, but that on my comp would take months to finish |
14:52:36 | B4gder | haha |
14:52:40 | JdGordon | he did pla<->m3u |
14:52:48 | GodEater | not accepted ? |
14:52:49 | B4gder | well, I bet it'd complete while you sleep... |
14:53:29 | B4gder | its not like I use to wait while it runs either |
14:54:46 | JdGordon | hmm.... might have to do that I guess |
14:55:15 | B4gder | you can even most likely remove a few of those targets |
14:55:38 | GodEater | little point doing both of the 32/64 MB ipod videos for example |
14:55:53 | JdGordon | can it be set to only do the sims? |
14:56:04 | JdGordon | actually. no better do the real thing :( |
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14:58:53 | JdGordon | anyone think any of the apps should be in viewers instead? |
14:59:04 | * | JdGordon barely uses any of those plugins |
14:59:59 | * | GodEater still thinks shortcuts should be in viewers |
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15:00:14 | JdGordon | ok, your the boss :) |
15:00:53 | GodEater | I just can't see any good reason to launch it directly as a plugin. You'd have to be mental. =) |
15:02:18 | JdGordon | when does the tracker week officially end? is it going to end? |
15:02:40 | pondlife | 5th August |
15:02:55 | petur | I would add another week, it's been going great |
15:03:00 | pondlife | (according to bluebrother's original post) |
15:03:08 | GodEater | so it's a tracker "week" in the same way as September is now "endless" ? |
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15:03:57 | JdGordon | well, yeah, it was really successfuly, but instead of keeping open forever, we should do it once every month or so |
15:05:07 | JdGordon | ok, done the player, recorder and e200 builds and all is good, which other ones would be good to test? |
15:05:16 | JdGordon | that pretty much covers all plugins doesnt it? |
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15:06:28 | dionoea | ooh, are you doing the plugins categorising thing? |
15:07:11 | JdGordon | yeah |
15:07:23 | JdGordon | almost going to commit |
15:08:51 | * | n1s hides under the table... |
15:09:49 | dionoea | cool :) |
15:10:17 | B4gder | wow, what a commit |
15:11:07 | n1s | hmm, viewvc doesn't show functional whitespace changes... |
15:12:19 | B4gder | is that red jhMikeS' or n1s' fault? |
15:12:47 | petur | can't be jhMikeS |
15:12:50 | JdGordon | and there goes the green delat row :) |
15:13:17 | B4gder | weird red |
15:14:12 | JdGordon | hey, the ipod2g3g column has gone :) |
15:14:22 | JdGordon | when did that happen? |
15:14:30 | B4gder | nobody knows, it's like magic! |
15:14:33 | JdGordon | haha |
15:15:08 | B4gder | the scripts keep a 7 day backlog |
15:15:23 | B4gder | so I guess the bad name was now older than that |
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15:17:36 | JdGordon | lots of red! |
15:18:24 | JdGordon | yikes.... delta isnt very nice either :p |
15:18:35 | LinusN | someone hasn't tried to compile the archos targets before committing |
15:18:39 | n1s | ok, gtg for a while, will fix red later, it's because I added a space for the archosrom=""#"blah" in configure to fix make clean |
15:18:40 | petur | n1s is collecting many points ;) |
15:18:59 | n1s | LinusN: not bootloaders no |
15:19:11 | JdGordon | n1s: is gonna get shot by amiconn if the builds are fixed by the time he notices :D |
15:19:14 | B4gder | and sims I guess :-) |
15:19:28 | n1s | ah sims too |
15:19:49 | * | B4gder is not complaining, that was a huge commit |
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15:19:59 | n1s | now food, later red, hope y'all survive without sims and bootloaders for an hour |
15:20:41 | JdGordon | it sounds reasonable to bump the min api version seen as the config paths for all the plugins are moved yeah? |
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15:25:49 | pixelma | is there a nice script somewhere that will help the translators? |
15:26:09 | * | pixelma out of the loop for 2 days or so ;) |
15:26:34 | B4gder | 2 big days in the world of languages and translations, that's for sure |
15:26:54 | JdGordon | which target uses overlays? |
15:27:00 | B4gder | archoses |
15:27:28 | petur | current lang updating takes a lot of time, already spent most of last evening on 1 file :/ |
15:28:11 | pixelma | I mean, I'd try to sync the german lang but welcome everything that would make this work easier |
15:28:28 | JdGordon | it needs a rbutil frontend |
15:29:17 | petur | lots of strings were removed and added again at the end (untranslated) :( |
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15:30:11 | B4gder | due to ID rename I presume |
15:30:26 | petur | yes |
15:30:28 | pixelma | petur: yes and renamed, I know. I helped testing the langV2 patch before. |
15:30:43 | B4gder | so possibly identifying the renames and doing a script for them would be a good idea |
15:30:52 | pixelma | but only ever looked at english.lang... |
15:32:20 | * | pondlife notes the playback comment "Unfortunately only reliable when music is not also playing." |
15:32:42 | pondlife | Doesn't sound too hopeful :/ |
15:33:14 | pixelma | well, I don't know much about scripting but I thought it could be possible to have something that will reorder the languages the same way it was done with english |
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15:34:15 | pondlife | Hi Nico_P, nice holiday? |
15:34:25 | Nico_P | very nice, thanks :) |
15:34:30 | Nico_P | I've been doing some work |
15:34:54 | Nico_P | I have a git repo I could try to publish |
15:34:59 | JdGordon | mob work? |
15:35:30 | Nico_P | yes |
15:35:31 | * | bluebrother notices the number of open tasks fell below 800 |
15:35:34 | pondlife | :) |
15:35:45 | bluebrother | so ... someone suggested extending the cleanup period? |
15:35:54 | Nico_P | I decided to drop Rb in RB and implemented metadata moving |
15:36:06 | Nico_P | basically MoB works in my test plugin |
15:36:30 | JdGordon | haha, too hard? |
15:36:47 | JdGordon | m oving metadata? so the user has to make sure it hasnt moved since last access? |
15:37:06 | pondlife | You need to tame the rest of Rockbox to make sure it is a sensible user of the API... |
15:37:08 | Nico_P | if the user uses bufgetdata to access the metadata, there is no problem |
15:37:32 | pondlife | Depends on how long they keep a pointer, perhaps? |
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15:40:10 | Nico_P | the user shouldn't expect the metadata not to move |
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15:40:33 | Nico_P | I'll publish my git repo |
15:40:48 | JdGordon | commit to a svn branch.... |
15:41:01 | Nico_P | I'm not sure it would be easy |
15:41:03 | pondlife | If you can pop it into JDGordon's SVN I'll look. |
15:43:12 | JdGordon | doh! forgot to say delete your old rocks folder before updating int he commit messgae :( |
15:43:33 | pondlife | JdGordon: Commit a little mod to add that message? |
15:44:10 | pixelma | wait if some new "red" will pop up ;) |
15:44:17 | JdGordon | im hoping there wont be :p |
15:46:01 | dionoea | you could update the commit message ... (but that needs to be enabled server side before) |
15:46:34 | bluebrother | iirc changing the commit message isn't enabled |
15:47:11 | petur | if you plan to change it, fix your typo too :p |
15:47:32 | bluebrother | no typos? Then it wouldn't be JdGordon ;-) |
15:47:38 | pondlife | But optoins taste good. |
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15:50:56 | JdGordon | doh! the one time i want to do an oops commit :p |
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15:53:38 | chrisjs169 | what's up with the php errors in flyspray? |
15:54:02 | JdGordon | anti-KISS ftw! strings[count++]++; |
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15:54:24 | Nico_P | pondlife, JdGordon: http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox-MoB.git?a=shortlog;h=no_rb_in_rb |
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15:54:56 | B4gder | chrisjs169: sorry, the christal ball is broken, you need to spell out the problem to us |
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15:55:09 | JdGordon | ill try to remember to look later Nico_P, prepiong 1 last commit, then bed |
15:55:35 | Nico_P | JdGordon: no worry, I'll probably quickly add info about this on the wiki page |
15:55:46 | JdGordon | :) |
15:56:23 | * | Nico_P is starting to love git and git-gui even more |
15:56:41 | chrisjs169 | B4gder: about four or so times now it's said "Notice: Undefined index: 0 in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 344 " |
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15:57:30 | * | dionoea got that error too |
15:57:35 | B4gder | when you did what? |
15:57:48 | chrisjs169 | when viewing a patch |
15:57:53 | chrisjs169 | eg http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7538 |
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16:01:52 | pixelma | I get that sometimes too |
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16:17:11 | Nico_P | pondlife: had a quick look at my repo ? |
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16:18:09 | * | GodEater just pull'd from it |
16:18:25 | pondlife | Nico_P: Not yet - maybe tonight :( |
16:18:29 | GodEater | which files does MoB live in? |
16:18:41 | pondlife | Undergoing WorkHell (tm) today |
16:18:49 | Nico_P | GodEater: the main file is testplugin.c |
16:18:59 | Nico_P | not very intuitive, I know |
16:19:40 | Nico_P | pondlife: no worries... If you have any comments, maybe write me mails... that way I won't miss them |
16:20:09 | Nico_P | I was thinking of adding another call similar to bufopen, to allow bufferin other things than files |
16:20:33 | Nico_P | and lately I have been wondering about bufseek |
16:20:50 | Nico_P | GodEater: didn't you clone it ? |
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16:21:16 | Nico_P | it's not the repo I set up a few days, ago, it's a new one I set up today |
16:21:22 | Nico_P | "Rockbox-MoB" |
16:22:35 | GodEater | ah |
16:22:46 | GodEater | was wondering why I couldn't see a testplugin.c ;) |
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16:23:04 | Nico_P | GodEater: http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox-MoB.git?a=shortlog;h=no_rb_in_rb |
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16:24:09 | Nico_P | git is really awesome and git gui is very nice too |
16:24:24 | GodEater | cloning now |
16:25:27 | GodEater | got it |
16:26:10 | Nico_P | how are the other SoC projects coming along ? |
16:26:20 | preglow | wma is doing fine |
16:26:22 | * | TiMiD[FD] just noticed the hex editor plugin in the flyspray ... could make it to svn after some changes |
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16:28:19 | Nico_P | preglow: I didn't really doubt that :) |
16:28:48 | petur | usb is not doing very fine |
16:29:26 | GodEater | and TTS is apparently a black hole |
16:29:34 | GodEater | which only markun can see into |
16:30:00 | pondlife | :) |
16:30:18 | pondlife | But can he? |
16:30:49 | GodEater | he has some event horizon piercing device |
16:30:59 | GodEater | I'm not clear on the technical details |
16:31:37 | Nico_P | petur: what's the problem with usb ? |
16:31:44 | pondlife | Seriously, with austriancoder reappearing yesterday and Nico_P today, has markun actually heard back from TTSbox? |
16:32:12 | petur | austriancoder took off for almost 3 weeks without telling... |
16:32:33 | Nico_P | I warned Llorean, but I think he's on holiday too |
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16:32:45 | B4gder | he was, he's back now |
16:33:15 | pondlife | Nico_P: No problem, holidays are good. |
16:33:31 | pondlife | Especially if you carry on working whilst on them |
16:33:37 | petur | lol |
16:34:30 | Nico_P | hehe... I'm in an isolated part of Devon without internet access and there's not much to do |
16:34:49 | Nico_P | I read the latest harry potter in 3 days, then started working a bit :) |
16:35:22 | B4gder | haha |
16:35:43 | * | n1s wonders why talk.c is not built for hwcodec sims but for everything else (cause of red sims) |
16:36:07 | pondlife | Because hwcodec sims don't do much? |
16:36:14 | pondlife | They should include it IMHO |
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16:38:30 | n1s | pondlife: problem is that it's seriously broken for those and that I cant test voice stuff on sims because of the 64 bit mp3 crash thingy... :-/ |
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16:38:46 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: did you found something to get usb controller sending? |
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16:39:12 | * | pondlife spots that there are now 3 GSoC students in the room. |
16:39:23 | petur | yay |
16:40:26 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: not yet but I was really tired and not in the mood to learn everything about it yet :) |
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16:40:51 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: no problem |
16:41:08 | saratoga | nerochiaro: here is a freestanding wma fixedpoint decoder that i've been using to debug the one in rockbox |
16:41:10 | saratoga | http://www.duke.edu/~mgg6/rockbox/wmadeci.zip |
16:41:36 | austriancoder | whats the best place to put a global variable (struct with all usb settings)? Also I need some settings menu stuff |
16:41:40 | saratoga | that might be a good place to start, however there are some problems with it |
16:42:17 | saratoga | it uses a very old version of the asf parser that doesn't work very well, and it does not include the changes made later that allowed us to decode only one frame of audio at a time (so memory use is fairly high) |
16:42:36 | markun | pondlife: TTSbox is very quiet these days.. |
16:42:37 | petur | austriancoder: settings go to settings*.* are put, the rest you put in your own file at the top |
16:42:44 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: I'm sure I'll have a deeper look into it but I started on something I want to keep focused on for the moment. |
16:42:47 | petur | -are put |
16:42:52 | nerochiaro | saratoga: i've managed to get to compile the one you have in rockbox and build as a shared library (it took some coaxing and i'm not including the asf yet). i was going to try to test it in a while |
16:43:28 | saratoga | nerochiaro: if you can get the rockbox one to work, then you should probably use that |
16:43:52 | saratoga | would certainly make merging in our improvements easier |
16:44:01 | nerochiaro | saratoga: that's what i'm trying. i'll take a peek at the freestanding one in case i fail |
16:44:23 | saratoga | the decoder in the free standing one is actually very, very close to the rockbox one |
16:44:37 | saratoga | aside from the memory and parsing issues, it generally produces bit per bit identical results |
16:44:52 | saratoga | so its very useful for debugging |
16:45:28 | nerochiaro | saratoga: ah, good then |
16:46:27 | austriancoder | petur: so I will do add some usb settings (usbmode: automatic|device|host - usbdevicedriver: storage|serial|...) - then i hope we get the sending working |
16:46:37 | nerochiaro | saratoga: i wanted to ask you if it's normal that wmadeci.c includes wmafixed.c (not .h) ? |
16:46:49 | * | Nico_P has to be going |
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16:47:28 | Nico_P | bye everyone, see you soon :) |
16:47:51 | GodEater | bye! |
16:48:02 | nerochiaro | saratoga: also i was wondering if it was considered as a future improvement to pull in the armv4l optimizations from the ffmpeg codebase |
16:48:31 | nerochiaro | saratoga: they seem to be just about using some specific arm instructions to help the mdct functions |
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16:49:08 | * | austriancoder is back in about 20 minutes |
16:50:27 | DerPapst | austriancoder: have you seen the link [IDC]Dragon posted? http://www.mikrocontroller.net/topic/75254#new |
16:50:41 | saratoga | nerochiaro: what ARM optimizations? |
16:50:44 | markun | it would be so nice if we didn't have to do the mdct optimisations each time and could share the code |
16:50:54 | austriancoder | DerPapst: no... but will have a look at it |
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16:51:25 | pondlife | Hmm, missed JdGordon.... |
16:51:46 | austriancoder | DerPapst: ahh.. yes i konw this project.. had email contact with the author |
16:51:48 | pondlife | Anyone else think the Plugins categories should be in alphabetical order?> |
16:52:02 | nerochiaro | saratoga: in ffmpeg source they are in libavcodec/armv4l directory |
16:52:13 | DerPapst | austriancoder: ok then nvm ;) |
16:52:27 | nerochiaro | saratoga: saratoga they are pulled in via the dsputil.h header i think |
16:53:27 | saratoga | nerochiaro: I read through the asm file in the arm4 folder a couple months ago, I couldn't find anything useful to the wmadecoder |
16:53:39 | saratoga | i think they were mostly DCTs and such for video codecs |
16:53:59 | markun | saratoga: any chance of sharing the mdct implementations of at least some of our codecs? |
16:54:03 | nerochiaro | saratoga: ah, ok. i had this idea that also wma uses these, but i'm not a codec expert by a long shot |
16:54:34 | saratoga | markun: it would be difficult for wma since it uses the MDCT somewhat uniquely |
16:54:42 | markun | aha, too bad |
16:54:51 | saratoga | theres 5 different MDCT transforms used, Ogg and AAC use only 2 of them |
16:55:07 | saratoga | though perhaps those 2 could be added in for some speedup in WMA |
16:55:27 | markun | some implementations use the FFT and others implement it directly, would be nice if we could compare which one is faster for each target |
16:55:54 | pondlife | saratoga |
16:55:57 | pondlife | Oops, nm |
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16:56:36 | saratoga | nerochiaro: the wmafixed.c thing looks like a bug |
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16:57:16 | nerochiaro | speaking of AAC, i am using the plain faad source with basically no modifications, and on my CPU (ARM9, 200Mhz) performance is terrible, especially for files that do SBR. is the implementation in rockbox any better ? |
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16:57:30 | saratoga | we use FAAD |
16:57:38 | saratoga | and yes performance is terrible :) |
16:58:02 | saratoga | i think we get 2x realtime for SBR on a 300MHz ARM9 |
16:58:27 | saratoga | theres actually been a couple improvements to FAAD in rockbox made by Lear |
16:58:32 | saratoga | might want to look into that |
16:58:34 | nerochiaro | i can't go faster than realtime with SBR. and 1.87x realtime with non-SBR |
16:58:42 | saratoga | thats terrible |
16:58:49 | nerochiaro | yep, really sucks |
16:58:59 | saratoga | we definately get better then that, do you have ASM fixed point functions? |
16:59:21 | nerochiaro | i compiled with fixed point,i probably forgot some switch |
16:59:40 | nerochiaro | might be really worth to pick up your implementation or build flags at least |
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17:00:41 | nerochiaro | i was also toying with the idea of using Helix/Real AAC codec instead. anyone around who happens to have tried it ? |
17:00:54 | nerochiaro | it seems optimized for ARM processors a lot |
17:01:15 | B4gder | the ipl guys use that I believe |
17:01:21 | B4gder | we can't due to license restrictions |
17:01:33 | saratoga | yeah i really wanted to try Helix |
17:01:39 | saratoga | FAAD is really terrible |
17:01:42 | nerochiaro | B4gder: what's bad with their license ? |
17:01:46 | saratoga | not gpl |
17:01:49 | B4gder | it's not gpl compatible |
17:02:31 | markun | the usual problem |
17:02:58 | saratoga | markun: i'm sure the fft we use now for wma is not very fast, but since theres 5 different mdcts used, I can only replace it with another fft thats fully general (takes block length as an arguement) |
17:03:09 | saratoga | do we have such an implementatino in the other codecs? |
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17:03:34 | pondlife | Anyone know if there's a Cygwin packaged eSpeak/Festival/Flite ? |
17:03:41 | markun | saratoga: not sure |
17:04:01 | saratoga | eventually i'm going to look through the AAC and Vorbis decoders, if i find something i'll merge them |
17:04:14 | saratoga | the 3 formats have so much in similar, i'm sure we could share some things |
17:04:16 | saratoga | ffmpeg does |
17:04:58 | saratoga | that reminds me, did the ffmpeg people ever decide they were going to write their own AAC decoder? |
17:05:06 | saratoga | i thought i heard they wanted to a while back |
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17:08:28 | styleism | #rockbox-community |
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17:17:58 | markun | saratoga: during GSoC2006 someone worked on a AAC decoder for them, but I can't find the source code |
17:18:03 | pixelma | n1s: around? |
17:18:10 | markun | you can see the commit logs here: http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/soc2006/ |
17:18:12 | n1s | pixelma: yes |
17:19:32 | pixelma | did you look through the voice strings in the "talk more patch" - I mean maybe it's not worth on Archos because they can't be spoken during music playback anyways... |
17:19:53 | pixelma | (ass a "?" where it fits) |
17:19:58 | pixelma | *add |
17:20:23 | * | pixelma suffers from typo classes... |
17:20:29 | n1s | pixelma: yes I had a look at them, any strings that you would particularly want to exclude? |
17:20:57 | pixelma | didn't have such a close look at it yet |
17:22:08 | n1s | pixelma: should be easy now, just change the voice section of a phrase to *: "" and swcodec: "whatever" |
17:22:50 | pixelma | - and am at a slooow connection and without build environment, maybe I don't have time/possibility to work on it |
17:23:38 | pixelma | at least until tuesday night/wednesday |
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17:25:26 | n1s | pixelma: there's no rush as that change will not break anything so take your time :-) |
17:25:40 | pixelma | just weird to see that almost all gain from langV2 is already gone... |
17:27:45 | n1s | pixelma: well, yes but we gained some nice polish for the voice ui and an english.lang that's IMO a lot easier to maintain |
17:28:37 | n1s | a big gain is the possibility to do what you just suggested and keep the voice clips for targets that are not as pressed for space |
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17:30:18 | B4gder | lots of gain is not gone, like the player voice file was shrunk by almost 50% |
17:30:29 | B4gder | in fact more than 50% |
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17:32:45 | n1s | B4gder: the line that broke the achos bootloaders is 1321 in configure where we assume a target with "archosrom" set to "" is not an archos target, do you have any ideas for a nice fix, I was going to sheck for t_cpu = "sh" but it doesn't feel right .. |
17:33:49 | B4gder | hm |
17:33:49 | pixelma | but the player's bin size (and space in RAM for the voice file) was not so close to or over the limit(s) like on the other Archoses - before |
17:34:17 | B4gder | n1s: t_manufacturer perhaps? |
17:34:39 | DerPapst | my typo classes are the best! :D |
17:35:00 | n1s | B4gder: ok, will catch the av300 but that's a later issue :-) |
17:35:07 | B4gder | ah yeah |
17:35:19 | B4gder | that's a hybrid thing anyway so it'll cause all sorts of headaches |
17:35:55 | n1s | B4gder: is there a way to test for multiple conditions in a shell script if like && in c? |
17:36:02 | B4gder | yes |
17:36:22 | B4gder | lemme check |
17:36:29 | B4gder | you can use && if you use multiple "test" |
17:36:31 | GodEater | n1s: && is the way to do it in bash |
17:36:47 | B4gder | but -a also works |
17:36:53 | B4gder | EXPRESSION1 -a EXPRESSION2 |
17:36:53 | B4gder | both EXPRESSION1 and EXPRESSION2 are true |
17:36:55 | B4gder | (from man test) |
17:37:15 | n1s | ah thanks |
17:37:21 | GodEater | probably safer to use -a then isn't it ? |
17:37:25 | GodEater | so it doesn't assume bash |
17:37:46 | B4gder | && works in pretty much all shells I think |
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17:38:16 | B4gder | I recall -a not always working the way you'd think, but I can't remember the details right now |
17:38:47 | B4gder | if test $ac_cv_header_x509_h = yes && |
17:38:47 | B4gder | test $ac_cv_header_crypto_h = yes && |
17:38:47 | B4gder | test $ac_cv_header_ssl_h = yes; then |
17:38:58 | B4gder | is "universally" fine |
17:39:46 | B4gder | (snippet from the curl configure script) |
17:39:56 | GodEater | aren't there some shells which evalutate both sides of a condition rather than failing the test as soon as one is false ? |
17:40:07 | * | GodEater isn't sure if that's an issue or not though |
17:40:15 | B4gder | I don't think so |
17:40:28 | GodEater | I must have taken my imaginary shell pills this morning |
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17:44:07 | n1s | in fact it makes more sense t just do test $t_manufacturer = "archos" |
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17:47:11 | pondlife | Hmm, does anyone have voice menus working since langv2? |
17:47:18 | * | n1s does |
17:47:30 | n1s | pondlife: did you rerun configure |
17:47:32 | pondlife | Is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding still correct? |
17:47:42 | pondlife | I'm building under Windows |
17:48:03 | pondlife | I suspect that script needs work now. |
17:48:05 | nerochiaro | saratoga: the asf parser is all in the metadata/asf.c ? |
17:48:32 | pondlife | The english.voice produced was rather smaller than before (700k, not 1.4M) |
17:49:36 | B4gder | really? |
17:49:43 | B4gder | in my runs it is the opposite |
17:49:54 | B4gder | they were 1.4M before, now they're all smaller |
17:50:04 | pondlife | That's what I mean |
17:50:06 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/voices/ |
17:50:07 | n1s | pondlife: yes, i think so too, at least the version of voicefont on that page is very old and the format of the voice files changed |
17:50:09 | B4gder | aha |
17:50:30 | B4gder | but i haven't tested these voices... :-) |
17:50:33 | pondlife | Ah, where's a newer one? |
17:50:54 | * | pondlife knows only what the wiki tells him. |
17:51:03 | n1s | pondlife: tools dir in svn |
17:53:04 | pondlife | OK, new file on it's way |
17:53:05 | n1s | pondlife: if you are going to fix the script voicefont now also needs the TARGET_ID for the target it's building the voice file and a list of IDs preprocessed by genlang using the -o option |
17:53:58 | pondlife | Hmm, no time to get into fixology :( |
17:54:32 | salty-horse | n1s, i'm seeing the string problem by using a daily build from today (6th), and i don't see it using a build from the 27th |
17:54:47 | * | n1s can't fix, has neither windows nor SAPI stuff |
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17:55:23 | n1s | salty-horse: well the lang cleanup patch went in yesterday so that's not surprising |
17:55:37 | salty-horse | how come others don't see it? |
17:55:39 | n1s | are you using a n official build now or are you building yourself |
17:55:50 | salty-horse | i'm using the official build from http://build.rockbox.org/ |
17:55:57 | n1s | which target |
17:55:59 | salty-horse | (I also built it myself... same result) |
17:56:02 | salty-horse | sansa e200 |
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17:57:21 | n1s | salty-horse: and you are absolutely certain that you overwrote all old files, no rockbox.whatever file in the root of the player etc... |
17:58:06 | salty-horse | no, since i have some config files. i'll try moving the current .rockbox dir aside |
17:58:52 | saratoga | nerochiaro: just about, though there might be a tiny bit of stuff in wma.c in the codecs directory |
17:59:00 | saratoga | i'm actually just starting to look into that code |
17:59:07 | saratoga | linuxstb wrote it |
17:59:13 | salty-horse | a clean install works |
17:59:43 | Lear | n1s: Btw, saw a "!!" in talk.c in that patch earlier today... |
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18:00:26 | n1s | Lear: hmm, I suppose that is a not-not :-) |
18:00:41 | nerochiaro | saratoga: ok. but is that from ffmpeg too, or is it brand new ? |
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18:01:59 | saratoga | all brand new |
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18:02:13 | saratoga | the ffmpeg parser works a lot better, but its not really suited for this sort of work |
18:02:18 | n1s | salty-horse: ah, nice |
18:02:29 | salty-horse | now to recover my config files :) |
18:03:13 | n1s | Lear: I wish the patch author would come to irc so I could ask if that's intended or a typo or something... |
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18:10:00 | bluebrother | Domonoky: I tried NVDA today −− free screen reader for windows. |
18:10:40 | Domonoky | bluebrother: does it work ? |
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18:10:46 | bluebrother | works sufficiently, especially if you use the windows voices and there's a portable version around |
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18:10:53 | bluebrother | so no installation needed. |
18:10:56 | Domonoky | nice |
18:11:03 | n1s | pondlife: this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6236 is basically what you did when you changed the voice settings around, right? |
18:11:21 | bluebrother | and I tried the tool buttons on xp today ... they show the dotted mark in classic style, but not with luna :( |
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18:12:00 | Domonoky | ah, so its a luna theme problem.. |
18:12:32 | Domonoky | but its not really bad, blind users dont need a visual clue for the focus.. and non-blinds can use the mouse :-) |
18:12:37 | bluebrother | yes. The tool buttons have the advantage that the (for the gui not visible text) get read by the screen reader. |
18:12:45 | bluebrother | that's what I thought ;-) |
18:13:47 | Domonoky | so we leave it like this, and if someone complains, we can change it :-) |
18:13:56 | bluebrother | there is only one problem I noticed: NVDA tells me when the focus enters the tab view, but it doesn't read the title of the hilighted tab. |
18:14:33 | pondlife | n1s: Yes, looks like it. |
18:14:52 | bluebrother | well, at least it _is_ accessible. We should try some refinements, but I think we can do that later |
18:15:04 | bluebrother | as currently there is still some functionality missing. |
18:15:06 | n1s | pondlife: ok, I'll close |
18:15:47 | bluebrother | I'm looking into adjusting the themes script to create ini-style files. Shouldn't be hard and make implementation much easier ;-) |
18:16:04 | Domonoky | bluebrother: yes i think we should concentrate on functionality, and refine it later.. |
18:16:40 | Domonoky | bluebrother: would be nice if that is possible with the rbuti.php script ..:-) |
18:16:57 | bluebrother | I'm hacking that script atm |
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19:24:52 | preglow | saratoga: i'm fairly certain the tremor code has an mdct that takes block length as param |
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19:26:20 | preglow | saratoga: as a matter of fact, merbanan suggested we try using that instead of the ffmpeg one |
19:27:30 | * | amiconn committed the PP related runtime improvements for PP5002 |
19:27:45 | amiconn | (now verified that the 3rd gen OF sets the same values) |
19:28:14 | thegeek | :) |
19:28:31 | thegeek | your work is much appreciated amiconn |
19:29:28 | preglow | the day runtime is better on pp5020 too will be a happy day |
19:30:38 | amiconn | On PP5002 it is. Just today I found another register (included in my commit) that may make it even a bit better than what I got in my 2nd gen runtime test |
19:30:45 | XavierGr | then the ipod port will be at peace at last! :D |
19:30:55 | preglow | XavierGr: indeed |
19:31:00 | amiconn | iPods, H10s, ... |
19:31:36 | XavierGr | and rockbox will have once again much longer battery time on all targets comparing to OF |
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19:31:52 | amiconn | Like it should be.... |
19:31:57 | preglow | amen |
19:32:16 | * | amiconn wonders why he's the only one doing that kind of low level stuff :/ |
19:32:41 | preglow | because you like it? |
19:32:43 | XavierGr | because you have the skills and you like it :P |
19:33:03 | preglow | that should sum it up |
19:33:16 | preglow | the fact that you have to disassemble a lot doesn't help either |
19:33:35 | preglow | i did some low-level work on the i2c driver some months back, but that got lost in a disk crash |
19:33:40 | preglow | should teach me to either backup or commit |
19:33:56 | amiconn | Right now I don't have the necessary measuring equipment at hand, so I won't start with PP502x today or tomorrow |
19:34:23 | amiconn | (plus that I have to implement proper suspend for PP5002 before, so that we can release a bootloader) |
19:35:04 | amiconn | RE becomes a lot easier if you can compare and test on multiple PP targets |
19:35:22 | amiconn | Even though I now have several, there are still uncovered configurations |
19:35:45 | amiconn | And "remote" tests are somewhat cumbersome |
19:36:10 | amiconn | (depending on the skill level of the dev at the other end, but definitely time consuming) |
19:37:35 | * | amiconn always forgets what that other potential PP5002 target was.. :/ |
19:37:44 | markun | preglow: the mdct in faad also takes a block length param, but uses the fft to compute it |
19:39:02 | preglow | yeop |
19:39:39 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, remote tests are annoying |
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19:44:37 | n1s | amiconn: according to wikipedia only ipods used 5002, the rio karma had 5003...' |
19:45:21 | amiconn | Ah |
19:45:45 | amiconn | Should also be possible to make a port for the karma; afaik PP5003 is PP5002 with fixed cache |
19:46:30 | saratoga | not sure we'd get many takers, the karma people are fanatical about their firmware |
19:46:42 | n1s | amiconn: although a working karma might be hard to come by, the users seemed extremely happy with them... |
19:48:08 | amiconn | Strange, that would mean the first (and only) OF I know of that doesn't have at least one severe flaw... |
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19:49:51 | XavierGr | any idea why my compiled build has all the lang strings indexed wrong? |
19:50:11 | n1s | XavierGr: did you reconfigure? |
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19:50:48 | amiconn | Our rare guest.... |
19:50:53 | [IDC]Dragon | hehe |
19:51:03 | pondlife | We've had a lot of guests today :) |
19:51:09 | XavierGr | let me rm -r * the folder and try again |
19:51:11 | [IDC]Dragon | I just wanted to check you got my USB host msg |
19:51:24 | amiconn | ? |
19:51:40 | [IDC]Dragon | pondlife: who else is rare? |
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19:51:52 | XavierGr | n1s: is there any chance that the rtc mod brakes it? |
19:52:29 | * | petur imagines screeching tires |
19:52:53 | n1s | XavierGr: well, you will not have the same .lng and .voice files as an official build but it should work... |
19:52:55 | * | amiconn notices a memoserv memo |
19:52:55 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: seems not, peek the log at 13:56 |
19:53:06 | [IDC]Dragon | there we go |
19:54:26 | amiconn | Well, that might interest austriancoder |
19:54:36 | pondlife | [IDC]Dragon: I only said guests, not all of them rare :) |
19:55:07 | amiconn | USB host is sure an interesting feature, but not that interesting to me that I'll work on it |
19:55:08 | [IDC]Dragon | austiancoder is the USB OTG guy? |
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19:55:13 | pondlife | Anyone else feel up to updating the Windows voice building script on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding ? |
19:55:31 | petur | [IDC]Dragon: yes |
19:55:39 | [IDC]Dragon | amiconn: it sure doesn't have to be you |
19:55:40 | amiconn | He is the guy that took the "software USB for rockbox" GSoC project |
19:55:47 | [IDC]Dragon | ah |
19:55:51 | amiconn | First goal is to implement an USB device stack though |
19:56:10 | XavierGr | note to self: always make a clean build after a major change... |
19:56:14 | petur | I'll be happy if he manages the device part |
19:56:18 | * | amiconn wonders how similar USB MSD and firewire MSD are at the device side |
19:56:19 | [IDC]Dragon | just tossing this in, to the german readers |
19:56:36 | [IDC]Dragon | no idea |
19:57:16 | [IDC]Dragon | I've seen a hobby uC implementation doing USB (client) with bitbanging |
19:57:28 | [IDC]Dragon | on a PIC or Atmel |
19:58:05 | [IDC]Dragon | time to conquer that technology! |
19:58:14 | petur | yes, there's one for 8bit controllers circulating amongst electronics magazines |
19:58:23 | [IDC]Dragon | gotta go, cu |
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19:59:06 | pondlife | n1s (or anyone): How do I make/get a voice IDs text file for use with voicefont? |
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20:01:43 | n1s | pondlife: genlang -o -e=path/to/english.lang -t=target:list:of:features yourlang.lang > list_of_ids |
20:02:08 | pondlife | Thanks. And I'll work out the target ID from voicefont.c... |
20:02:13 | n1s | yourlang.lang may of course be the same as english.lang |
20:02:24 | pondlife | It will be :) |
20:02:30 | n1s | pondlife: the build system decides the target ID |
20:03:08 | amiconn | I hope that langv2 removed the bitswap from voice for swcodec... |
20:03:11 | pondlife | Hmm, there's no build system involved in the Windows script |
20:03:19 | n1s | amiconn: nope |
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20:03:33 | amiconn | Why? Would have been the ideal chance... |
20:03:35 | pondlife | langv3 has that though... |
20:03:43 | n1s | but that should be simple now... |
20:04:17 | pondlife | Do it quickly before lots of people make voice files? |
20:04:19 | n1s | amiconn, I'll look into it |
20:04:31 | GodEater__ | plugin re-org and langv2 not being added to MajorChanges ? |
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20:06:55 | * | amiconn wonders whether the plugins with moved settings/highscore will recognise them when I move them by hand |
20:07:59 | amiconn | Hmm, 'make zip' doesn't package test plugins now :| |
20:08:17 | * | bluebrother awaits users complaining about their game settings being broken |
20:08:48 | pondlife | Does the to access plugins just browse the directory structure? |
20:09:14 | pondlife | Or are the categories hard-coded? |
20:09:17 | pondlife | I hope not.... |
20:09:53 | pondlife | Urgh, they are. Is that code really needed - it doesn't even do it alphabetically,. |
20:10:43 | pondlife | Will discuss http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/root_menu.c?r1=14213&r2=14214 with JdGordon some time :/ |
20:11:24 | amiconn | It is. How else would you localise the categories? |
20:11:56 | pondlife | Good point. But still possible to use subdirectories maybe. |
20:12:24 | bluebrother | pondlife: I also don't like the categories being hard coded but I haven't found a better solution yet. |
20:12:50 | bluebrother | note to self: create a patch to remove those unnessesary void* param parameters in root_menu.c |
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20:13:15 | pondlife | n1s: Can I have some more genlang clues please? |
20:13:54 | pondlife | What's the features parameter? |
20:14:31 | n1s | that is wht we get from features.txt when it is sent to the gcc preprocessor |
20:15:19 | n1s | pondlife: line 206 in apps/Makefile |
20:15:25 | pondlife | Thanks |
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20:20:04 | n1s | hmm, should voicefont figure out if to bitswap the voice file based on target ID or should we give it a parameter? |
20:20:27 | * | Lear is annoyed that Flac in Ogg stores some data as little endian, other as big endian. |
20:22:39 | petur | almost sounds like designed by microsoft then |
20:24:26 | pondlife | OK, using Bagder's voice files, the sim segfaults in load_voicefile() |
20:25:19 | * | austriancoder is back |
20:26:30 | pondlife | It crashes in the byteswap, funnily enough |
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20:29:44 | pondlife | p_voicefile->id1_max = 560, p_voicefile->id2_max = 1543503872.... |
20:30:17 | pondlife | Looks like endian-ness problems. |
20:31:48 | pondlife | Is it that the H300 device is big-endien but the sim (x86) is little-endien? |
20:32:41 | bluebrother | iirc coldfire is big endian |
20:33:12 | pondlife | OK, so the H300 device and target now need different voice files? That wasn't the case before. |
20:33:25 | n1s | yep, coldfire big, our arms, x86, amd64 little |
20:33:51 | n1s | pondlife: that shouldn't have changed |
20:35:59 | pondlife | Hmm, if I comment out the byteswaps, the crash goes away but I get no speaking :/ |
20:36:26 | pondlife | n1s: Do you have a known good english.voice I could use for H300? |
20:36:38 | pondlife | Too many unknowns here :) |
20:36:54 | pondlife | I was using Bagder's files from http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/voices/ |
20:37:13 | n1s | pondlife: I can make one soon, fiddling with killing bitswap now |
20:37:32 | pondlife | OK, I'll wait... probably tomorrow |
20:37:33 | pondlife | Thanks |
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20:44:25 | n1s | pondlife: http://home.student.uu.se/niwa5341/english.voice tested on my h300 with the very latest svn r14220 which removes bitswap for swcodec targets |
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20:47:20 | jac0b | on my gigabeat build while watching a video the backlight turns off |
20:48:43 | Lear | n1s: Btw, that svenska.lang update you did, was that just a sync, or did you change any translation? (Just curious...) |
20:49:35 | n1s | Lear: I translated the few strings that weren't, maybe one or two, I remember the "add to shortcuts" one at least |
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20:52:28 | n1s | Lear: you keep that thing pretty up-to-date :-) |
20:52:30 | SliMM | hello |
20:52:33 | SliMM | http://download.java.net/mobileembedded/podcasts/mobileandembedded014.mp3 |
20:52:37 | SliMM | here you go |
20:53:07 | SliMM | at about 19th minute, you can hear about rockbox |
20:53:08 | Lear | n1s: Well, I do use it... |
20:53:21 | SliMM | :) |
20:53:53 | * | n1s makes last commit for the day (hopefully) |
20:55:47 | SliMM | how did you reduce the battery consuption on pp5002 |
20:55:50 | GodEater__ | FS2928 should be closed as fixed now right ? |
20:55:51 | SliMM | ? |
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20:56:52 | bluebrother | GodEater__: yes. |
20:57:01 | Davide-NYC | question about test_codec: now that the plugins have been organized (which is great) I need to know where to include what in order to have test_codec show up for everything if I include in apps/plugins/SOURCES |
20:57:07 | GodEater__ | SliMM: amiconn reverse engineered bits of the AppleOS from the earlier ipods and managed to find some special device initialisation we didn't do before |
20:57:49 | SliMM | is this possible on pp502*? |
20:58:02 | bluebrother | Davide-NYC: check the commit message of r14215 −− it's still on the front page |
20:58:05 | bluebrother | SliMM: no. |
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20:58:22 | bluebrother | err, sorry. Misread "possible" as "portable" |
20:58:33 | bluebrother | it is possible on other pp chips, but it'll work differently |
20:59:03 | GodEater__ | SliMM: amiconn says he has "ideas" on stuff to try with PP502x |
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20:59:38 | SliMM | is there a reason for rockbox's battery life being so bad on ipod video? |
20:59:40 | jac0b | anyone else experience the backlight problem with mpegplayer |
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21:00:03 | SliMM | did you try the link above? |
21:00:07 | GodEater__ | SliMM: this has been done to death in the forums |
21:00:32 | SliMM | godeater_: ok |
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21:01:31 | SliMM | acttually it's 19:23 in that mp3 |
21:03:53 | Davide-NYC | bluebrother: I'm at a loss. CATEGORIES is new and test_codec should be (if I understand what's going on at all) assigned to the 'test' family of plugins. I'm still totally stumped. |
21:07:30 | * | Davide-NYC deleting reconfiguring build directory, just in case |
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21:09:58 | pondlife | n1s: OK, no crash now, but no voice menus either :/ |
21:10:09 | pondlife | Using your file and SVN in H300 sim |
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21:14:48 | austriancoder | when should i put a file into firmware/export or firmware/include ? |
21:14:57 | bluebrother | Davide-NYC: well, you could just add it to the viewers category as e.g. the viewer plugin does |
21:15:48 | bluebrother | or try using an empty category −− viewers.config includes the path |
21:17:07 | austriancoder | petur: ping |
21:17:17 | petur | plonk |
21:17:33 | Davide-NYC | bluebrother: I get it now, test_codec is supposed to be in the viewers category, recompiling |
21:17:47 | austriancoder | petur: when should i put a file into firmware/export or firmware/include ? |
21:18:23 | petur | afaik, include is for general stuff, export is for drivers |
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21:19:41 | austriancoder | petur: okay.. at the moment i have something like firmware/usbstack/core/core.h and I want to include this header in apps main to call usb_stack_init(). Must i move this header to firmware/export or can it stay where it is at the moment? |
21:20:22 | Davide-NYC | Still doesn't work. When you say add it to an empty category you mean in the line where it says "test_codec,viewers" I should change it to "test_codec,"? |
21:20:52 | Davide-NYC | I'm speaking about the apps/plugins/CATEGORIES file |
21:20:58 | petur | austriancoder: I think you should put those things under export, something like usb.h ? |
21:20:58 | bluebrother | yes −− my initial intention was to support something like this |
21:21:11 | bluebrother | no idea if it still work or if JdGordon removed that though |
21:21:11 | austriancoder | petur: usbstack.h also okay? |
21:21:20 | petur | yup |
21:21:26 | petur | any progress? |
21:22:36 | austriancoder | petur: yep.. I have now a quite nice design of the usbstack and also implemented basic stuff. It can support both device and host part and... i will put a patch later online :) |
21:23:02 | petur | nice, but were you able to send? |
21:23:57 | austriancoder | petur: no... I have no idea at the moment... I hope that jhMikeS will help me with this... |
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21:24:32 | petur | austriancoder: I'll also look at this later on tonight |
21:24:57 | austriancoder | petur: it would be cool if you can get access to an pp based player |
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21:25:18 | SliMM | don't you think that the applications that aren't registered for an extension should still be in the 'open with' context menu, but after the ones registered for that specific extension? |
21:25:32 | Davide-NYC | bluebrother: that didn;t work |
21:25:34 | * | petur will have a look what can be done about that... |
21:26:36 | pondlife | n1s: Hmm, SVN is still byteswappint the voice file... |
21:26:55 | pondlife | byteswapping even. Look in load_voicefile() ? |
21:27:01 | Davide-NYC | can I place a reference to a plugin (instead of a category) in viewers.config? |
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21:29:01 | pondlife | n1s: And, sorry, but it is still crashing. I put your english.voice in the wrong place last time. |
21:29:10 | bluebrother | just do it like test_codec already does |
21:29:22 | bluebrother | test_*,viewers in the CATGORIES file |
21:29:48 | bluebrother | and mp3,viewers/test_* in viewers.config |
21:33:03 | Davide-NYC | bluebrother: are you saying that test_codec should appear in the "open with.." menu for supported files using a current build? |
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21:35:05 | FFrev | my ipod nano had a problem while playing a video and i cannot turn it off. any help? |
21:35:26 | GodEater__ | FFrev: Menu+Select for about 20 seconds |
21:36:29 | Davide-NYC | what does the third field (comma separated) signify in viewers.config? (last question) |
21:36:48 | Davide-NYC | sometimes it contains a number, and sometimes a "-" |
21:36:59 | GodEater__ | icon to display |
21:37:06 | Davide-NYC | thanks |
21:38:23 | FFrev | um... how do i turn it off(im helping my friend... its not mine:)) |
21:38:56 | GodEater__ | FFrev: as I said - do a hard reset with Menu+Select |
21:39:17 | FFrev | ok.sorry |
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21:42:21 | yole | hi, i sitll cant' figure out how to rate tracks in rockbox? |
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21:43:18 | merbanan | saratoga: I did the most recent work on the ffmpeg AAC decoder, currently it has a bug that affects audio quality |
21:43:34 | merbanan | but other then that it's quite complete for LC decoding |
21:44:17 | bluebrother | Davide-NYC: yes, to my understanding it should (if it's built) |
21:44:26 | Davide-NYC | it doesn't |
21:44:47 | Davide-NYC | I put *,viewers/test_codec,- in viewers.config and I still can;t get it to show up |
21:44:50 | Davide-NYC | :-( |
21:45:07 | Davide-NYC | I'm posting a question in the forum and will also email the dev list |
21:45:21 | bluebrother | well, current svn doesn't build test_codec −− have you checked the SOURCES file? |
21:45:24 | Llorean | test_codec is present on your player? |
21:45:53 | bluebrother | if it isn't present (i.e. not built) the according line will get removed from viewers.config by the build system |
21:46:02 | Davide-NYC | Llorean: yes |
21:46:34 | Davide-NYC | it's there. the line is in SOURCES in the right place and I used to have it running no problem |
21:46:47 | Davide-NYC | I see the rocks file on my player |
21:47:23 | bluebrother | let me try ... |
21:47:26 | Davide-NYC | I just do not know how to get to show up for all files (supported or not) in the "open with..." screen |
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21:47:48 | Davide-NYC | bluebrother: thanks |
21:48:20 | Llorean | Why should it show up for unsupported files anyway, there's no codec for 'em? |
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21:49:22 | Davide-NYC | since it's not in the SOURCES file by default it won;t get built so it doesn't matter for the users. presumably if you put it there you know what it does and does not work with |
21:50:19 | yole | is there a way to do it? |
21:50:32 | Davide-NYC | do what |
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21:52:09 | bluebrother | ok, it works fine for me. |
21:52:15 | webguest85 | way to rate songs |
21:52:40 | webguest85 | there is.. afaik. but you have to use the database |
21:53:27 | * | webguest85 is sure this is coverd somewhere in the manual |
21:54:05 | bluebrother | Davide-NYC: I have this line in viewers.config: *,viewers/test_codec,- |
21:54:19 | Davide-NYC | I have that line as well |
21:54:37 | bluebrother | and is that plugin in /.rockbox/viewers/test_codec.rock? |
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21:55:26 | Davide-NYC | yup! |
21:55:38 | chrisjs169 | I just noticed in apps/main.c it says "init_dircache(true); [new line] init_dircache(false);" - is this intentional? |
21:55:40 | bluebrother | have you reconfigured before building? |
21:55:47 | Davide-NYC | no |
21:55:58 | Davide-NYC | I'll try that |
21:56:22 | Davide-NYC | OTF |
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21:57:55 | chrisjs169 | Appears that it was in the source for a few months...I was testing a patch and it wasn't in there...weird |
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22:00:57 | GodEater__ | chrisjs169: looks intentional to me |
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22:03:34 | petur | strange, make install of the h300 sim says "sh: Syntax error: "(" unexpected" |
22:03:57 | chrisjs169 | GodEater__: yeah, I think it is |
22:04:14 | GodEater__ | chrisjs169: so is there an issue you have with it ? |
22:05:05 | preglow | petur: distro? |
22:05:11 | petur | ubuntu |
22:05:20 | * | GodEater__ guesses a dash issue |
22:05:21 | preglow | maybe it's a bash -> dash thing? |
22:05:37 | * | Davide-NYC back |
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22:06:30 | petur | well this worked ok yesterday or maybe the day before, so it is something n1s changed I think |
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22:06:53 | GodEater__ | spot the netsplit |
22:07:05 | Febs | Soap_: do have a minute for a private chat? |
22:07:19 | webguest85 | found it :P |
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22:11:07 | GodEater__ | ooh - my dopplegangers are back |
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22:32:40 | austriancoder | petur: so.. i think i will have the device part of the stack ready the next 2 hours |
22:33:28 | Domonoky | in two hours ? you had luck send usb packets ? :-) |
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22:34:35 | austriancoder | Domonoky: not yet.. and with the device part of it, i mean the stack design with an brocken arcotg driver |
22:34:50 | Domonoky | austriancoder: ah.. but still nice.. |
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22:35:49 | leftright | GodEater_: did you write the shortcut plugin ? |
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22:40:52 | * | amiconn is slightly annoyed by his current connection :| |
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22:41:36 | DerPapst | leftright: yes he did |
22:41:42 | leftright | would it be possible to activate the shortcut folder with a short press of the record button on H1xx series ? |
22:41:43 | DerPapst | but he went to sleep already... |
22:42:10 | leftright | i'll ask him tomorrow |
22:42:18 | yole | where do i enable "gather runtime informatioN"? the manual doesn't say, according to a keyword search |
22:43:03 | Llorean | leftright: Everyone seems to have varying preferences as to what short-press of record does |
22:43:27 | Llorean | Why not have it open its own folder, that the user can populate with whatever they like (plugins, shortcuts, themes, .cfg files, eq presets, etc) |
22:43:41 | Llorean | Just hardcode a folder in /.rockbox/ for it |
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22:43:48 | leftright | That would be excellent |
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22:44:36 | leftright | but isn't that what the Shortcut plugin does anyway ? |
22:45:33 | Llorean | Not really |
22:45:40 | Llorean | The shortcut plugin allows shortcuts to folders. |
22:46:05 | leftright | ah, then your propsal is better |
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22:57:14 | markun | Llorean: I'm getting a bit tired of posting "installing rockbox will solve your problem" at mygigabeat.com :) |
22:57:28 | Llorean | Hahaha |
22:57:40 | Llorean | I'm purchasing a Gigabeat S |
22:57:46 | markun | nice |
22:57:47 | Llorean | I'm betting some money on those guys getting it working. :-P |
22:57:53 | Llorean | Someone's selling an S60 for US$175 |
22:57:56 | Llorean | Unopened |
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22:58:03 | markun | otherwise you will have to finish the port |
22:58:05 | markun | :) |
22:58:14 | Llorean | Yeah, I'd hate to actually end up doing some real work. |
22:58:23 | Llorean | Though I ruined my streak by fixing a few bugs immediately after DevConW |
22:58:32 | markun | Llorean: I'm tempted to post it again here: http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=26E03918-3048-2906-EAA4C5B9FE182661 |
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22:59:20 | Llorean | "Just use Rockbox and drag and drop and you'll have no problems." Heh |
22:59:29 | markun | exactly |
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23:00:14 | Llorean | Last time I visited mygigabeat it looked like their forums got a ridiculous amount of actual spam |
23:01:03 | markun | yes, it's insane |
23:01:27 | markun | and the guy who 'maintains' it doesn't have time to do anything about it |
23:01:33 | Llorean | That's unfortunate |
23:01:45 | toffe82 | I found somebody who doesn't like rockbox :) |
23:01:47 | markun | I think someone else should host a forum and a wiki |
23:01:53 | markun | toffe82: congrats :) |
23:01:56 | markun | your wife? |
23:01:59 | toffe82 | yes |
23:02:02 | markun | ;) |
23:02:04 | Bagder | hahaha |
23:02:13 | markun | not even 'jewels'? |
23:02:33 | dionoea | anyone object to changing viewers.config so that all extensions can be opened with the text editor (or at least the viewer) |
23:02:34 | markun | petur's wife and my girlfriend couldn't stop playing it |
23:02:36 | dionoea | ? |
23:02:41 | toffe82 | I think there is a problem, to go out of the wps page, she have to press 3 or 4 time the power button |
23:03:04 | amiconn | Bagder: You think the frontpage isn't enough? |
23:03:05 | markun | dionoea: why would you want to do that? |
23:03:13 | markun | open a wav file for example |
23:03:18 | amiconn | Perhaps it should go into 'major changesÄ |
23:03:20 | toffe82 | on my X I don't have the problem just press the A button to go out the wps |
23:03:46 | toffe82 | do you have any idea ? some version of rockbox |
23:03:50 | Bagder | amiconn: indeed, I would imagine that there's lots of people who never get to read that on the front page |
23:04:01 | markun | toffe82: which player? a gigabeat? |
23:04:07 | toffe82 | yes a f11 |
23:04:15 | markun | A should do the trick |
23:04:21 | * | DerPapst advertises the <blink> tag |
23:04:24 | toffe82 | nothing with A |
23:04:33 | markun | maybe A is broken then? |
23:04:46 | saratoga | Llorean: you going to be working on the S port then? |
23:04:49 | markun | does work with the OF? |
23:04:59 | toffe82 | yes but why power take it off after 3 or 4 press on it |
23:05:04 | toffe82 | I have to try |
23:05:10 | markun | toffe82: it's not normal |
23:05:11 | Llorean | saratoga: I might. So far I've mostly stayed out of the programming side of things, but there's always a little voice in my head tempting me into it. |
23:05:16 | markun | would be nice if you could debug it |
23:05:32 | markun | maybe they changed some stuff in the Fx1 series |
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23:05:53 | toffe82 | I will try it again tonight, she had a problem listening the some album at the gym :) |
23:05:56 | dionoea | markun: open .txt but also loads of other extension which might be text (like .html or .xml or .whatever) |
23:06:17 | dionoea | some won't be text ... but other will |
23:06:50 | dionoea | *others |
23:06:58 | markun | why don't you just add .html and .xml etc? |
23:07:05 | markun | instead of all extensions |
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23:07:36 | Bagder | imho, the "open with" option is good enough for all those other extensions |
23:07:53 | dionoea | hum ... because i'm used to being able to open whatever i want with vim here :) But i could do that too (wanted to open a .cfg here to see what it looked like and couldn't) |
23:08:03 | Bagder | you can |
23:08:09 | markun | Bagder: I think so too, but maybe .nfo or something test based could be added |
23:08:21 | markun | s/test/text/ |
23:08:25 | Llorean | .nfo isn't always text based. |
23:08:34 | markun | ah, then don't add it :) |
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23:12:32 | dionoea | Using current svn rockbox i only have "properties" in the "Open with" menu for .cfg files |
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23:13:06 | Bagder | really? |
23:13:10 | dionoea | I guess that i'll have to edit my viewers.config file (or maybe have an advanced open with which lists all viewers) |
23:13:20 | Bagder | it should list all viewers |
23:13:30 | dionoea | that changes a few revisions ago |
23:13:34 | dionoea | *changed |
23:13:39 | Bagder | then its broken |
23:13:40 | sarixe | hi, i just realized that rockbox has stopped gapless playback. is there a setting for this, or is this a bug? |
23:13:54 | dionoea | Bagder: as far as i can tell the change was intentional |
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23:14:09 | Bagder | then I need to flame someone ;-) |
23:14:24 | Bagder | jdgordon for example |
23:14:24 | Llorean | Bagder: The change states it only lists associated viewers, and gives the option to make a viewer available to all filetypes with * |
23:14:42 | Llorean | sarixe: Rockbox simply doesn't add gaps. Your files must also be gapless. Are they? |
23:14:53 | Bagder | I disagree with that idea and concept |
23:14:57 | Llorean | I agree. |
23:14:59 | sarixe | they are, checked with XMMS gapless |
23:14:59 | Bagder | bad bad bad |
23:15:07 | Llorean | Err, agree with you (Bagder) not the concept |
23:15:10 | Bagder | hehe |
23:15:18 | dionoea | or at least "show everything if the extension isn't known" (instead of if it doesn't have an extention) |
23:15:23 | Llorean | Since there's no other way to manually use a viewer with an unassociated file. |
23:15:23 | sarixe | it's Santana - The Ultimate Collection, Disc 1, Carnaval and Let The Children Play |
23:15:39 | Bagder | dionoea: we've always had that way to override whatever extension or not that was used |
23:15:47 | Llorean | sarixe: Does XMMS do gap removal? What format are they in, and what encoder was used? |
23:15:49 | Bagder | so that the user could aways tell what to run on a file |
23:15:59 | sarixe | ogg, and oggenc |
23:16:11 | Llorean | And that's directly from the CD? |
23:16:16 | sarixe | from flac |
23:16:22 | Llorean | And those flacs were from the CD? |
23:16:24 | sarixe | yes |
23:16:35 | Llorean | Then gapless should work fine. I assume you have crossfade disabled? |
23:16:42 | sarixe | yes |
23:16:54 | sarixe | well, disabled except while shuffling |
23:17:34 | sarixe | let me try some known working ones |
23:17:40 | markun | sarixe: I'll update rockbox and try it myself |
23:17:50 | markun | if it works here, maybe you can post your config.cfg |
23:18:01 | sarixe | k |
23:19:10 | markun | will take a little while |
23:19:59 | sarixe | k |
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23:20:29 | amiconn | Hmm |
23:20:51 | sarixe | for reference, i'm using a home build with all the latest SVN changes |
23:21:02 | markun | and no patches? |
23:21:03 | * | amiconn will need testers for 3rd gen, mini 1st gen, and 4th gen grayscale |
23:21:21 | * | DerPapst raises hand |
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23:21:36 | sarixe | no patches |
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23:21:49 | preglow | argghgh |
23:21:56 | preglow | how hard is it to make a linux usb driver that works |
23:21:59 | amiconn | I need to provide a patch that reads the LCD controller registers |
23:21:59 | DerPapst | hrrrmm |
23:22:21 | amiconn | I want to know whether they're all set to the same value |
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23:22:44 | markun | preglow: as hard as a working FreeBSD driver I guess :( |
23:22:44 | amiconn | Apart from that, I would like to see a 3rd gen owner to perform a runtime test... :) |
23:22:50 | DerPapst | well i'm here for about 30 kin. if you have then something i can test please tell me |
23:22:55 | DerPapst | *min |
23:23:01 | preglow | one lousy usb disconnect, and bam, you need to reboot |
23:23:32 | markun | same here, only the reboot is sometimes done for me... |
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23:23:44 | amiconn | preglow: Yeah, and on my linux box USB causes data errors without noticing :( |
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23:24:01 | preglow | amiconn: never had that, but it's bloody annoying nonetheless |
23:24:07 | preglow | i like having a ton of windows open :/ |
23:24:14 | markun | sarixe: restarting my player now to try it |
23:24:19 | sarixe | k |
23:24:25 | amiconn | That's one thing windows definitely manages significantly better - USB connection |
23:24:56 | sarixe | better than what? |
23:24:56 | markun | OSX too probably |
23:25:08 | markun | sarixe: linux or freebsd |
23:25:16 | sarixe | nah |
23:25:21 | sarixe | use ubuntu, you'll like it |
23:25:25 | krazykit | really? i've had the opposite experience |
23:25:36 | Llorean | USB is mildly reliable on Ubuntu |
23:25:41 | krazykit | different hardware, different problems, i suppose |
23:25:47 | Llorean | I'd have to agree that on average, Windows has had the best USB experience for me. |
23:26:02 | markun | I wonder why the ubuntu changes don't make it into the official kernel source then.. |
23:26:16 | Bagder | markun: I bet they do |
23:26:27 | Bagder | and I also bet there aren't many ubuntu changes to the usb code |
23:26:45 | krazykit | markun, either they don't submit it upstream or linus decides that the code isn't good enough or well tested enough |
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23:26:59 | markun | preglow: what are you using? |
23:27:03 | preglow | ubuntues |
23:27:25 | markun | sarixe: nog gaps so far |
23:27:40 | sarixe | well, as said, i'm testing known gapless encodings |
23:27:47 | markun | me too |
23:27:49 | sarixe | (the who sell out) |
23:28:00 | markun | Badly Drawn Boy in this case |
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23:28:01 | sarixe | i don't know if the santana ones ever worked for me |
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23:28:59 | markun | if you transcode from flac to ogg vorbis it should be fine |
23:29:08 | sarixe | that's what i was thinking |
23:29:19 | yole | hey sorry had to disconnect−−still wondering: "where do i enable "gather runtime informatioN"? the manual doesn't say, according to a keyword search" |
23:29:46 | markun | sarixe: will try some pink floyd now |
23:29:54 | sarixe | me too, after this |
23:30:21 | markun | still no gaps.. |
23:30:43 | preglow | what, gapless troubles again? |
23:30:48 | sarixe | yep |
23:30:56 | markun | preglow: but not for me |
23:31:48 | Llorean | sarixe: Have they played gapless on Rockbox before? |
23:31:57 | sarixe | yes |
23:32:11 | Llorean | And you've not changed any settings at all since then? |
23:32:18 | sarixe | gapless works on the who |
23:32:23 | sarixe | trying santana again |
23:32:27 | markun | sarixe: so what about pink floyd? And can you host your config.cfg somewhere? |
23:32:35 | sarixe | well |
23:32:41 | sarixe | once i accidentally corrupted my FAT |
23:32:47 | markun | do you still have the flacs? |
23:32:47 | preglow | what kinda files we talking about here? |
23:32:49 | sarixe | so i had to start from scratch |
23:32:54 | sarixe | yeah, i have the flacs backed up |
23:32:57 | sarixe | ogg |
23:33:02 | DerPapst | amiconn: do you have that lcd patch done already? or are you still working on it? |
23:33:07 | lazka | yole: database settings menu |
23:33:21 | markun | sarixe: try the flacs first then. If they have gaps there's nothing rockbox can do about it |
23:33:22 | amiconn | I had one yesterday, but I reverted it without making a diff :/ |
23:33:28 | markun | but strange that xmms has no gaps.. |
23:33:37 | sarixe | no, but the flac/oggs don't have gaps |
23:33:41 | preglow | oggs notplaying gaplessly is very unlikely |
23:33:41 | sarixe | lemme try the santana |
23:33:45 | preglow | very |
23:33:49 | DerPapst | ah... bummer |
23:34:04 | preglow | anything popular except mp3, really |
23:34:34 | sarixe | yeah, why does mp3 suck so much? |
23:34:46 | krazykit | it wasn't designed to be gapless |
23:34:47 | Llorean | preglow: And AAC. |
23:34:57 | preglow | Llorean: aah, yeah, definitely |
23:36:04 | yole | lazka: got it! thanks! |
23:36:14 | yole | now to see i rockbox and itunes ratings play nice together |
23:37:16 | amiconn | I think it's better to check the various disassemblies for the proper LCD init sequence |
23:37:35 | Llorean | amiconn: Was the LCD the power problem? |
23:37:38 | Lear_ | sarixe: Using MediaMonkey by any chance? |
23:37:41 | amiconn | nope |
23:37:52 | sarixe | Lear_ : no, amarok with tranKode |
23:37:55 | sarixe | transKode* |
23:38:12 | sarixe | which in turn uses flac and oggenc to decode/encode |
23:38:15 | amiconn | But I need proper lcd init / shutdown for implementing suspend |
23:38:20 | Llorean | Ah |
23:38:33 | Lear_ | Just wondered, because that program had a habit of corrupting Flacs... |
23:38:57 | yole | Lear_ that and it has a terrible interface, lol |
23:39:06 | amiconn | And while I'm at it, I want at least porper shutdown for all the greyscale ipods in order to fix the nasty pixel line bug (mainly observed on minis) |
23:39:19 | sarixe | yeah, santana still doesn't work |
23:39:23 | sarixe | lemme try something... |
23:39:54 | DerPapst | amiconn: in case you have a patch that i should try on my 3G iPod drop a line with the link to the patch here. I'll compile and do a test then tomorrow. |
23:40:05 | DerPapst | i had that but on my 3G too |
23:40:06 | amiconn | ok, thanks |
23:40:23 | DerPapst | i though my lcd controler or the lcd is messed up o.= |
23:40:38 | amiconn | It's not shut down properly before cutting power |
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23:41:05 | DerPapst | glad to hear is only a software issue and not a hw one :) |
23:42:03 | amiconn | Iirc there was even a patch already, but it didn't work |
23:42:42 | DerPapst | i haven't seen this bug before. it started around one week ago |
23:42:54 | sarixe | hot damn~ |
23:43:06 | DerPapst | but i haven't used rockbox on my 3G that often before |
23:43:07 | sarixe | i had xmms configured to skip to the next zero crossing |
23:43:11 | sarixe | which made it perfect |
23:43:15 | sarixe | but then i disabled that |
23:43:18 | sarixe | and it failed! |
23:43:45 | sarixe | so... it's the file that's the problem |
23:43:57 | amiconn | DerPapst: It doesn't happen on every shutdown. |
23:44:17 | amiconn | Depends on the momentary state of the lcd controller when power is cut |
23:44:40 | DerPapst | infact it doesn't even happen when i reset the ipod |
23:45:11 | sarixe | is there any way to make rockbox skip to the next zero crossing? |
23:45:36 | | Quit freqmod (Connection reset by peer) |
23:45:38 | Lear_ | sarixe: Which Santana? |
23:45:52 | sarixe | The Ultimate Collection Disc 1, tracks 18 and 19 |
23:46:14 | sarixe | Carnaval and Let The Children Play |
23:46:20 | sarixe | there's a slight gap |
23:47:11 | Lear_ | Not that I can hear... |
23:47:36 | sarixe | hm... well, i did download it... so it's probably oan's fault |
23:47:45 | sarixe | oan never puts out anything good |
23:47:58 | Lear_ | That's with seeking, but Ogg is supposed to be sample accurate. |
23:48:02 | DerPapst | good night everyone. |
23:48:05 | DerPapst | :) |
23:48:10 | | Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") |
23:48:11 | sarixe | the flac has the same gap |
23:48:31 | markun | sarixe: still strange that xmms removes it |
23:48:35 | sarixe | well |
23:48:47 | sarixe | that's because i had it set to skip to the next zero crossing |
23:48:53 | sarixe | which got rid of the gap |
23:49:07 | sarixe | but i disabled it, and now the gap is apparent |
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23:49:41 | Bagder | there he is |
23:49:54 | Bagder | JdGordon: I want the old open with concept back please |
23:50:00 | sarixe | Lear_ you say you have that album, and there's no gap? |
23:50:10 | Llorean | sarixe: Wouldn't that simply mean that your files aren't gaplessly encoded? |
23:50:12 | Lear_ | sarixe: Yep. |
23:50:26 | sarixe | Llorean : probably. oan sucks. |
23:50:42 | JdGordon | Bagder: oh? |
23:50:57 | Bagder | JdGordon: as was also exactly now posted on the dev list |
23:51:05 | Bagder | by Davide |
23:51:13 | Lear_ | What's oan? |
23:51:30 | sarixe | oan is the name of the person who put out the torrent that i got |
23:51:38 | markun | Bagder: filespray give me "text/plain" for this wma file: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4984?getfile=14224 |
23:51:51 | Bagder | JdGordon: "open with" should offer all viewer to be used on the given file, imho |
23:52:11 | sarixe | i should just buy the album and rip it myself |
23:52:27 | Bagder | markun: I really don't know any flyspray magic... |
23:52:56 | JdGordon | ok, I asked about it yetserday and onylgot agreement, I'll revert it tonight |
23:53:25 | JdGordon | the fix for Davide is to add it to viewers.config |
23:53:33 | Lear_ | And I think it says some form of Video/MP4 for m4a... Either that, or something in Firefox is acting up. |
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23:54:20 | sarixe | markun : File > Save As... |
23:54:32 | markun | sarixe: gives me a .html file |
23:54:45 | sarixe | what browser? |
23:54:46 | markun | but just opening it and "save page" also works |
23:54:55 | sarixe | that's what i meant... |
23:54:56 | markun | firefox 2.0.0.6 |
23:55:07 | sarixe | right |
23:55:14 | sarixe | well it comes up as a text for me too |
23:55:16 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
23:55:23 | sarixe | which is annoying as piss because it hogs all the memory |
23:55:51 | sarixe | ever try to open up a 2 hour movie in a text editor? |
23:56:08 | krazykit | yes, actually |
23:56:16 | krazykit | doesn't work to well. |
23:56:26 | sarixe | haha, nope |
23:56:35 | sarixe | my computer will crash before it's done |
23:56:35 | | Quit salty-horse ("Leaving") |
23:56:49 | sarixe | or freeze, at least |
23:57:19 | krazykit | well, i've run one through less, i suppose. don't recall if it killed my machine, really |
23:57:19 | | Quit yole (Remote closed the connection) |
23:57:37 | sarixe | running it through less doesn't mean anything |
23:57:46 | sarixe | your terminal buffer will run out as it loads |
23:57:58 | sarixe | you wouldn't be able to see the beginning |
23:58:15 | sarixe | by scrolling up, anyway |
23:58:29 | krazykit | well, it's a silly thing to do anyway |
23:58:36 | sarixe | yep :P |
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