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#rockbox log for 2007-08-15

00:00:42pixelmano but the background pic explains what buttons you can use
00:00:44alexcit's just a background then? or is there a switch to make it so you can control using the mouse
00:00:47alexcah k, thanks
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00:03:04alexcoooh... thanks, i did a search, dunno why that didn't come up
00:04:23 Quit jgarvey_ ("Leaving")
00:05:59rasherI wonder if I should add a wps-test (or whatever the flag is) .bat file to my simulators
00:08:46 Quit ompaul ("init 6 (we expect runlevel 2 some time about 8 hours from now )")
00:09:03*amiconn hopes for a green line....
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00:12:49 Quit DMJC ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12")
00:13:40Bagderyou did get -2 points ;-)
00:13:51amiconnSince when is target tree code compiled for sims?
00:14:28 Quit alexc ("CGI:IRC (EOF)")
00:14:43rasherPossibly since the recent attempt at getting sims closer to target builds
00:14:46rasherI forget who did it
00:15:36pixelmawasn't that n1s?
00:16:02Bagderit was
00:16:12Bagder12 Aug 19:49
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00:16:51amiconnYeah, but he didn't change the power stuff
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00:16:54Bagderbut its not obvious to me that it broke this
00:16:58 Quit datachild (Nick collision from services.)
00:17:12*amiconn tests whether that's necessary at all
00:17:28rasherI'm merely commenting without knowing what n1s did, or even what's wrong
00:18:15leftrightBagder: seems he bricked his player whilst flashing the modded bootloader, is there any chance that something has changed/corrupted the H140 bootloader process
00:18:50*bluebrother returns
00:18:52BagderI guess anything is possible...
00:19:04bluebrothergiven enough code? ;-)
00:19:14amiconnFlashing a modded bootloader on H1x0 and H300 is dangerous, hence not recommended without a bdm nearby
00:20:03Bagderbed time here
00:20:08leftrightyes, but so many of us have done it, and he's the first to my knowledge, perhaps something has been changed
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00:21:36leftrightI haven't heard of a user bricking his H140 due to flashing, besides Slaheri, but he was experimenting
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00:22:14linuxstbleftright: Are you talking about the current SVN bootloader?
00:22:51leftrightLinuxstb: H140 merged bootloader
00:22:57*amiconn doesn't dare to flash any bootloader apart from the official ones on H180 and H340
00:23:04linuxstbleftright: What's that?
00:23:24*linuxstb neither
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00:23:57leftrighthe was flashing with an official bootloader, this is why i wonder how he bricked his player
00:24:29bluebrotherhow did he create the hex file? checked md5sums or used fwpatcher?
00:24:33amiconnA few lines above you said he was flashing a modded bootloader....
00:24:43amiconnmodded != official afaiu
00:25:18leftrightby modded I meant the official bootloader, sorry,
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00:25:35rasherSpeaking of bootloaders. Any chance rombox on h1xx will get official anytime soon?
00:27:06DMJCrockbox won't compile
00:27:15DMJClatest svn checkout
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00:28:17linuxstbDMJC: Have you tried a "make clean", or even completely deleting your build directory?
00:28:36linuxstbDMJC: The automated builds seem to be fine...
00:28:45DMJCmake clean I'll try
00:28:55DMJCnope just died heh
00:29:24bluebrotherif svn doesn't compile you'll notice it by looking at the build table.
00:29:27leftrightwell he's going to send his unit back to iriver for reflashing, its just intersting that he managed to brick his player following the instructions
00:29:37bluebrotherbut if that table is green something is wrong on your side ;-)
00:30:25linuxstbleftright: Maybe a hardware fault?
00:30:32amiconnAll green again :)
00:30:42*linuxstb does the green dance
00:31:11*robin0800 test
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00:31:21DMJChmm still getting it
00:31:29DMJCblew away my buld dir
00:31:30bluebrotherre-run configure
00:31:35DMJCI did
00:31:46leftrightlinuxstb: he claims that the unit was working perfectly well before the flashing, and that it now hangs at boot,
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00:32:28DMJCplugin .c throws a warning
00:32:35DMJCincompatible pointer
00:32:47bluebrotherleftright: maybe you want to check the hex he flashed against the known md5sums?
00:32:56DMJCsettings.c has same error as the pastebin
00:32:58bluebrotherDMJC: patches applied?
00:33:01Lloreanleftright: And by "official" you mean the prebuilt one in fwpatcher.exe?
00:33:11DMJCthis is fresh without patches
00:33:17bluebrotherany other changes to the source?
00:33:17leftrightLlorean yes
00:33:41Lloreanleftright: Is it possible it was either interrupted in the flashing process, or he has an H110 or 115 and doesn't know it?
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00:34:05leftrightwell he says its a H140
00:34:05Lloreanleftright: Yes, he's posted on our forums too.
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00:34:06DMJCI think I whacked it
00:34:10bluebrother20 minutes for flashing?
00:34:12Lloreanleftright: Yes, but he bought it used.
00:34:22DMJClooks like a patch got code left in firmware dir
00:34:24bluebrothersounds really like a problem while flashing :/
00:34:30Lloreanleftright: Which means it could be an H110/115 with a 40gb drive and the back salvaged from another player
00:35:05Lloreanleftright: He also says it had run Rockbox before, AND he says specifically and clearly that he interrupted the flash.
00:35:18leftrightafter twenty minutes
00:35:26LloreanWhich means his OF was the problem.
00:35:41LloreanIf the flash takes that long, there's something wrong, and it's not with the file being flashed.
00:35:46DMJCit built
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00:36:06DMJCI'll remember that thanks, need to clean more dirs
00:36:53DMJCnice albumart patch applies cleanly
00:37:00leftrightLlorean it is indeed a mystery, hopefully iriver can help him, but the problem is, what if he tries again ?
00:37:01linuxstbDMJC: I find "svn status" a useful command...
00:37:19bluebrothersvn revert can also be helpful
00:37:27DMJCso will albumart patch ever get into trunk?
00:37:39Lloreanleftright: Well, there's nothing we can do about players that either have corrupt iRiver FW or corrupt flash.
00:37:58Lloreanleftright: Until the flash is complete, we can't run any code on the device to check its status.
00:38:13LloreanDMJC: Just as soon as metadata on buffer is working, and the patch is adapted to it.
00:38:23rasherleftright: has he scandisked his harddisk?
00:38:39bluebrotherIOW: it won't get into svn in the current version, but adding AA support is planned.
00:38:44rasherA corrupt harddisk will do pretty much what he's describing
00:39:02Lloreanrasher: Cause a flash to take >20 minutes, or the later symptoms?
00:39:08LloreanI guess if it couldn't read the file, maybe.
00:39:31bluebrotherwell, as the bootloader itself comes up something has been flashed and is running
00:39:31rasherOh right, forgot the 20 minute flash. But I don't see any later symptoms that couldn't be explained by a broken harddisk
00:39:33Lloreanbluebrother: It'll *pretty much* be the current version.
00:39:51rasherHe really should try formatting the disk
00:39:52Lloreanrasher: Yeah, but he interrupted the flash. I suppose the OF might hang on trying to read a .hex file if the HD is failing to read.
00:39:54bluebrotherand the rockbox bootloader is at the end of the flash
00:40:05Lloreanrasher: He can't boot anything, iiuc. Though I guess there's Rockbox bootloader USB.
00:40:08amiconnI don't know how iriver does it, but our flash plugin on archos first tries to read the flash file completely and verifies the checksum, and only if that's okay, starts flashing
00:40:09bluebrotherLlorean: s/version/implementation/. Better? ;-)
00:40:28rasherLlorean: He says he can connect with USB and the disk is "working", so I assume rockbox bootloader USB is working.
00:40:40Lloreanrasher: Ah, then a reformat would be good, yes.
00:40:51amiconnSo the only situation where it would fail would be if the disk goes bad between file verification and end of flashing. Some tens of second...
00:40:52rasherLlorean: if the OF hung on trying to read the .hex, it *might* not have touched flash yet
00:41:13linuxstbHe said Rockbox was already installed, so maybe the bootloader that's being run is the one from the previous flashing.
00:41:29Lloreanrasher: Of course, then our bootloader wouldn't be loading. Though since he mentioned somewhere that I saw him that Rockbox had been installed by the previous owner, it's possible that it never *was* touched, and that the bootloader was always present or something.
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00:41:34rasherlinuxstb: well, the rockbox installation could also be on a corrupt part of the harddisk
00:41:38LloreanYeah, what linuxstb said, in less words.
00:41:47bluebrotherrasher: true, but in that case the RB bootloader wouldn't show up
00:41:54Lloreanbluebrother: Previous installation, keep up. ;)
00:42:00amiconn(This is because we cannot read the whole flash file into plugin ram. Reading the whole file into ram before flashing would give even more safety)
00:42:03rasherbluebrother: RB bootloader is in flash
00:42:20*robin0800 test
00:42:31rasherThat robin0800 guy is unnerving. What's he doing?
00:42:43bluebrotherso he was updating the BL or doing a fresh install? I thought it was a fresh install.
00:43:02n1srasher: he's apparently testing something, and he does it often :-)
00:43:15rasherbluebrother: It was a fresh install for him. A previous owner had installed Rockbox. So a BL update, I suppose.
00:43:21leftrightI understand he was updating the BL
00:43:26bluebrotherah, now I get it.
00:43:31Lloreanbluebrother: Maybe he didn't know he didn't need to reinstall the bootloader.
00:43:39rasherI really think he should scan the disk
00:43:57linuxstbrasher: I agree, it's a free option...
00:44:03bluebrotherI agree that scanning the disk would be good.
00:44:17rasherA broken harddisk could also result if he had it shipped to him
00:44:30bluebrotherthe bootloader runs, so the flash can't be corrupted completely
00:44:47leftrightHe did say it was working prior to his effort
00:45:01 Quit robin0800 (" Try HydraIRC -> <-")
00:45:04bluebrotherand flashs usually are organized in pages that you need to delete completely if you want to rewrite.
00:45:06rasherleftright: the flashing attempt might have further wrecked the harddisk
00:45:27rasherEspecially if the OF was sitting there for 20 minutes, trying to read a corrupt file
00:46:06leftrightok, I'll advise him to do a scan of his HD,
00:46:18leftrightat mistic
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00:46:44DMJCif you have a theme with albumart
00:46:47DMJCand you load it
00:46:58DMJCwhat happens if your firmware hasn't got albumart support?
00:47:05scorcheit wont load
00:47:18rasherOur WPS reader is that smart? Neat.
00:47:19bluebrotherthe wps will get identified as corrupt and the default gets loaded
00:47:23scorchethe parser will reject it
00:48:06Lloreanrasher: These days the parser rejects "invalid" WPSes, such as those with unclosed conditionals or invalid tags. If run in the simulator you can have it give the reasoning for the rejection, I thing with a command line switch.
00:48:11*amiconn cannot make sense of this thread
00:48:25scorche-debugwps i believe
00:48:50LloreanWas it - or −−?
00:48:59scorcheone way to find out...
00:49:02scorchelikely −−
00:49:04*amiconn wonders whether the disk is formatted properly
00:49:22linuxstbSpeaking of themes, any news on ?
00:49:27amiconnIt's a known bug of the rockbox H1x0 bootloader that it hangs when there is no partition
00:49:48amiconn(solvable by resetting and using bootloader usb mode to repartiton + format)
00:49:57scorchelinuxstb: it is being worked on...had a bump where the files all decided to pack up and leave
00:50:14leftrightis it possible that he flashed with the wrong bootloader ?
00:50:23linuxstbamiconn: But the bootloader appears to successfully load rockbox.iriver
00:50:27Lloreanleftright: It's possible he formatted NTFS
00:50:37scorche(attributed to the use of dreamweaver crashing unnamed person) =)
00:50:38LloreanOh, right, success
00:50:39bluebrotherI suspect the bootloader running if he successfully flashed it
00:50:40rasherleftright: if he used fwpatcher, it shouldn't be possible, iiuc
00:50:44Lloreanleftright: Nevermind me
00:51:18amiconnIt might be an iriver h110/h115, but then it shouldn't have flashed ihp120.hex afaik
00:51:59LloreanBecause it was named H120.hex, and the OF should look for H100.hex
00:52:00amiconnBut it's not too difficult to find out
00:52:36rasherHe has a h120
00:52:41rasherAt least, the bootloader is a h120
00:53:15amiconnYes, but thje mistake could be that he took a h120 firmware, patched it with a h120 bootloader, and then put this on a h100
00:53:39rasherI doubt he managed to rename ihp-120.hex to ihp-100.hex without knowing he was doing something wrong
00:53:51amiconnBuild rockbox for h100, then repackage the h100 rockbox.bin with scramble for h120, and put the resulting rockbox.iriver on the player
00:53:57leftrightthere is no built in check for that ?
00:54:18amiconnleftright: How should we know what the OF checks when flashing?
00:54:38amiconnSomeone would have to deliberately try to flash a wrong .hex
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00:55:05rasherleftright: well the OF loads a specific file, depending on which model it's running on. I think it also validates the .hex in some way, but how much, I don't know
00:55:47LloreanI seem to recall a menu letting me select the .hex in one version of the OF, but it was a long time ago, and my memory is not trustworthy
00:55:50amiconnThe test I suggested is simple. I'd also check the partitioning and format. It must be a *primary* fat32 partition
00:56:23amiconnlogical drives are still unsupported (but the iriver OF supports them)
00:56:32bluebrotherleftright: might this be the same as ?
00:56:53rasherbluebrother: that's what I was thinking
00:57:00rasherbluebrother: same name, so probably yes :)
00:57:03leftrightso he really needs to establish which player he has, before he tries again, he might, as llorean pointed out, have a Frankensteined model
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00:57:30leftrightyes its the same guy
00:57:30amiconnleftright: Hence my suggestion...
00:57:40LloreanIn fact I'm almost sure that a frankensteined model can be flashed with the wrong bootloader
00:57:51LloreanBecause I know I ran into one person who did have 16mb of RAM, but 40gb of disk.
00:58:57*Llorean resists making a 300 joke.
00:59:17LloreanAnyway, the disk check should be a given then, as amiconn pointed out.
00:59:18rasherYou better.
00:59:47rashera fdisk -l would be nice, as well as scandisk/fsck.vfat/badblockscan
01:00:40 Part n1s
01:01:43DMJCwhat is evilG's fusion build?
01:02:07DMJCcustom patches IMHO but which ones?>
01:02:23LloreanDMJC: Read the thread.
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01:03:42DMJCin unsupported forum?
01:06:35DMJCcrazy heh
01:06:46 Part leftright
01:06:50DMJCpity the build is so outdated :(
01:07:19DMJC17th july is most recent
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01:08:12DMJCare there any patches which rockbox will never apply to trunk?
01:08:30DMJCor is it more just testing/cleaning up code needs to be done before patches are accepted?
01:09:24rasherThere are quite a few I believe.
01:10:03LloreanDMJC: If they'll never be applied to trunk, they'll get rejected.
01:10:12LloreanSo, if you look through the Rejected list, you'll see a good deal of them
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01:10:28rasherLlorean: well there are some open as well, see recent discussion on -dev
01:10:30LloreanThere are a couple kept around because the features that will replace them aren't done yet.
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01:10:42Lloreanrasher: Scroll Margins, Custom Line, etc?
01:10:48rasherLlorean: STuff like that, yeah
01:10:53LloreanI'm honestly for closing those.
01:11:00LloreanBut I'm one of the few with that opinion.
01:11:18LloreanI'd like to see the effort that goes to maintaining/syncing/upgrading those go instead toward a commit-able equivalent.
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01:11:30tonyyarussoI recently bought an iPod Nano (2nd generation), and went to the Rockbox site to check it out, only to find out my model was basically the only one NOT supported. Are there plans to support the second generation nanos soon?
01:11:34DWSRhey all.
01:11:47DWSR1G nanos > 2G nanos. :-P
01:12:03Febstonyyarusso: we generally don't "plan" to support or not support a particular player.
01:12:06krazykittonyyarusso, check the New Ports forum
01:12:25linuxstbtonyyarusso: Short answer is no - no-one is working on such a port.
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01:12:34DWSRCan I install Rockbox and iPodLinux on the same partition?
01:12:43tonyyarussoOkay - maybe I can bribe someone :P
01:12:51aviswill an ipod flashed with rockbox firmware still be manageable through amarok ?
01:12:55LloreanDWSR: Rockbox requires FAT32, iPL requires ext2/3 or HFS+ I believe.
01:13:02linuxstbDWSR: Yes, but please ask follow-up questions on #ipodlinux
01:13:09DWSRLlorean: Can I just run Rockbox off the iPod partition then?
01:13:25linuxstbLlorean: There's now an install method which installs IPL on a FAT32 partition.
01:13:36linuxstb(but that's about all I know)
01:13:51krazykitavis, yes-ish. if you don't care about using the original firmware, you'd set the device as "generic", otherwise as "ipod"
01:14:14DWSRlinuxstb: I'm really just looking to know if there's anything special I need to do with Rockbox. I have the iPod BootLoader installed, so I'm assuming that I can boot from Rockbox if it's on the iPod partition.
01:14:15bluebrotherDWSR: rockbox always runs of the data partition on the ipod
01:14:17avisthank you krazykit
01:14:30DWSRbluebrother: Didn't know that. :-) Thanks though.
01:14:42DMJCrockbox support any drive size in ipod? eg 100gb?
01:14:54bluebrotherthe bootloader isn't run from the data partition but you need a bootloader anyway ...
01:15:11bluebrotherthe firmware files itself are in a hidden folder on the main partition of the player
01:15:28DMJCanyway to backup that partition?
01:15:29bluebrotherDMJC: I don't think 100GB players are available, but yes.
01:15:37DMJC100gb drives are..
01:15:45bluebrotheryou can use dd ...
01:15:54bluebrotherDMJC: but not as Ipods ;-)
01:15:59DWSRbluebrother: You can. If you do a hardware hack you can pretty much make your iPod any size.
01:16:00DMJCyeah :)
01:16:18bluebrotherDWSR: I know that you can mod your player. But you can't buy it.
01:16:23DWSRStick some extra flash memory in it and away you go. Some guy had a 20g nano. :-P
01:16:24DMJCI'll wait for a 160gb 1.8 before upgrading hehehe
01:16:34bluebrothersome people have mounted 160GB disks to their archos ...
01:17:01bluebrotherIIRC you need a modified build for >137GB
01:17:06Lloreanbluebrother: Some people have mounted 250s
01:17:09LloreanI think
01:17:27amiconnLlorean: Surely not in the original case
01:17:35linuxstbI thought 160GB is the largest 2.5" PATA available?
01:17:41DMJCfat32 is so limited
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01:17:45Lloreanamiconn: I'm almost certain there was something on the list about it.
01:17:46DWSRno linuxstb
01:17:47amiconnThere are 250GB 2.5" disks, bu tonly SATA
01:17:58DWSRafaik there are larger.
01:17:58amiconnDMJC: Eh?
01:18:00DMJCwhat's the max partition size for fat32?
01:18:01LloreanMaybe it was someone intending to mount 250, rather than having succeeded.
01:18:13linuxstbDMJC: Many TB IIUC.
01:18:22DMJCfiles are limited to 4gb which is crap
01:18:22DWSRDMJC: Can't remember. Wiki it?
01:18:38DWSRWhy would you need anything larger than a 4GB file on an iPod?
01:18:47DWSRWhat'd you do, rip your entire music library to 1 file? :-P
01:18:52DMJCno man
01:18:54bluebrotherjust for the sake of doing so?
01:18:55DMJCportable hdd
01:18:59DMJCfor dvd isos etc
01:19:09DMJCmoving large content/vmware images
01:19:27bluebrothervmware can split up its images automatically ...
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01:19:48linuxstbAnd why do you need to store DVD .isos, rather than the files?
01:19:48krazykitor you can just split the image and catecanate it later
01:20:06DMJC2-8tb limit to fat32
01:20:14amiconnDMJC: (1) there are file split tools. Many archivers can also do that. (2) If you really need to, nobody stops you from having another partition
01:20:47bluebrotherhow about (3) if you need a portable disc, buy a portable disc and use any filesystem you like? ;-)
01:20:51DMJCit's not so much a whinge at rockbox more the entire industry in general :)
01:20:57amiconnAnd maximum partition size for fat32 is 128TB iirc
01:21:10DMJCthey do need a better format for cross platform portable disc
01:21:19bluebrotherforget it.
01:21:40bluebrothernot enough interest. Especially not on the MS side.
01:21:48amiconnFAT32 is a very nice format for cross platform compatibility. All major OSes support it, and it's relatively simple
01:22:52bluebrotherit has a few flaws, but it's sufficient for nearly all cases.
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01:23:08DWSRhow do I get iPodLoader2 to find Rockbox?
01:23:09rasherBagder: any chance I could get renamed to rasher on flyspray. Being stuck with bacon_boy is annoying.
01:23:23krazykitDWSR, why use ipodloader2? the rockbox bootloader will boot both.
01:23:31DWSRiPodLoader boots both as well.
01:23:40linuxstbDWSR: It will find it automatically (assuming you're using the very latest version).
01:23:49amiconnNTFS: windows only (well, linux now also sorta supports it). And microsoft discourages its use on exchangeable media
01:23:50bluebrotherDWSR: ask the people at IPL and / or read the thread about loader2 in the unsupported builds forums
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01:24:06linuxstbWhat about UDF?
01:24:19amiconnEXT2/3 etc: Linux only (maybe OSX can support it but I don't know)
01:24:23avisis it safe to say that rockbox wont play wma ?
01:24:42rasheramiconn: there's a Windows driver for ext2 as well, in fact. I forget its name now..
01:24:47amiconnavis: It is safe to say that rockbox *does* play wma
01:25:04amiconn(well, except on archos of course)
01:25:04DMJCooh wma.
01:25:06krazykitrasher, i think it's on or com or something
01:25:09bluebrotherrasher, amiconn: there are even more than one ext2 driver for windows.
01:25:20DMJCreiserfs has a windows driver :)
01:25:23rasherkrazykit: that's the one I was thinking of. .org, it is.
01:25:27amiconnAll I heard about them is that they're buggy
01:25:31bluebrotherext2fsd was one of them.
01:25:43pixelmaLlorean: reading your post, I'm tempted to search and paste an ABBA logo in the logo thread ;)
01:25:45DMJCit's buggy tho
01:25:52bluebrotherworks fine, but doesn't support setting the codepage for the filename encoding
01:25:55DMJCguy stopped coding it when it was nearly finished
01:26:06linuxstbavis: You may want to keep an eye on
01:26:10bluebrotherreiserfs is ... urgh.
01:26:41DMJCjust saying it exists I didn't claim it was good
01:26:43rasher this is actually surprisingly nice, even if it is terribly simple. I still like the "cube R/note" logo better though.
01:27:10amiconnLooks cyrillic
01:27:39CtcpIgnored 5 channel CTCP requests in 15 minutes and 25 seconds at the last flood
01:27:39*amiconn prefers the current rockbox logo, even if some poeple say it's not a "true" logo
01:27:48bluebrotherthe mockup greyscales won't work with the real hardware ...
01:27:51rasherMaybe we can find a codepoint in unicode that looks enough like an RB that we can just use that
01:29:29pixelmathe first thing that came to my mind when reading Llorean's reply was "ABBA"
01:31:56avisDWSR, you mentioned that ipods could be upgraded in size with flash memory. do you happen to know if people sell them upgraded with larger storage ?
01:32:20DWSRavis: Nope. I'm sure that eBay has that kind of thing though.
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01:40:59FebsEven the colors are similar.
01:41:22pixelmahehe, exactly :)
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01:44:24rasherOh dear. I retract any alleged praise for this logo.
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01:47:17pixelmawhen I first saw it, I thougt "it's not bad" but the longer I keep staring on it the more it gets "blurry" somehow. I start seeing lots of things in it not only the 2 letters it should symbolise...
01:49:46krazykitplus the backwards R has been done... korn :-(
01:50:05rasherI still think this one is the best (and yes, better than the current "logo")
01:50:56rasherIt wins on many levels. It's a box. It's a note. It's an R (with some imagination). It's square, so it works well as an icon.
01:51:04pixelmaand as amiconn said the backwards "R" looks like the cyrillic letter (sound of "ya")
01:51:11saratogai like that current logo better, but that one is kind of cool
01:51:23krazykiti actually saw the R before i saw the note
01:51:47rasherPlus it works well in monochrome
01:51:51*bluebrother hasn't seen a logo proposal he liked better than the current one
01:52:06rasherAnd at fairly small sizes
01:52:08pixelmarasher: did you try a monochrome version of that?
01:52:28rasherpixelma: actually, no. But at least in print. Perhaps not on low-res displays.
01:52:44pixelmaI could *imagine* that it would be possible but never tried
01:53:29pixelmaand then I don't know how nice the result would be
01:53:29rasherI'm quite certain it'll work in high-res monochrome (print). Of course you'll lose the detail of the one side being different
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02:03:43rasher"[attachment deleted by admin, too old]" I see this in the Forums. What does it mean?
02:04:45pixelmathere was an attachment before which was deleted by an admin because he thought it was too old?
02:04:59lespeawould make sense to me
02:05:11rasherBut what does "too old" mean?
02:05:42rasherI didn't know attachments had expiration dates
02:06:11pixelmamaybe that's something an admin can decide?
02:06:14lespeaif they have limited space they could just be running a script to remove old files to make room for new ones
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02:07:06lespeaso if you guys had to get a large (hd) mp3 player... what would it be
02:07:30DWSRmy computer.
02:07:54rasherI'd get a 60gb ipod video. Unless I wanted to do recording. The form factor does it for me, and the downsides (lower battery life) don't concern me much.
02:07:55DWSRWith 2TB of storage and studio quality sound card and speakers.
02:08:06bluebrotherIaudio M5
02:08:57bluebrotheror perhaps an upgraded h140
02:09:03DWSRSo does Rockbox automagically find the files that I put on my iPod with iTunes?
02:09:08pixelmabluebrother: the M5 is available with a maximum of an 40GB drive only - haven't even seen one yet
02:09:13rasherDWSR: if you use the Database, yes.
02:09:28bluebrotheroh −− thought it's available as 60GB
02:09:29rasherDWSR: and set it to auto-update.
02:09:30lespeai dislike ipods (had one)
02:09:36lespeaand 40 gb is too small :/
02:09:50lespeawhat do you mean "upgraded" h140?
02:09:55pixelmabluebrother: the X5s are
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02:10:53pixelmalespea: did you see the BuyersGuide in the wiki?
02:10:57bluebrotherlespea: upgrade the harddisk to something bigger
02:11:05lespeabluebrother, thanks
02:11:24lespeapixelma, no... i didn't look to be honest
02:11:31lespeamuch rather just talk to ppl :/
02:11:39bluebrotherbut those players aren't in production anymore :(
02:13:13lespeahuh the x5 does look pretty cool
02:13:13bluebrotheryay! seems theme installation is almost coomplete
02:13:19lespeahow's the video playback, anybody know?
02:13:29DWSRRockbox ftw.
02:13:46bluebrotherlespea: see the PluginMpegplayer wiki page.
02:14:02bluebrotherit basically works, but not too good.
02:14:06lespeabluebrother, said it's a hack
02:14:10bluebrotherdepending on player and what you expect ;-)
02:14:17lespeafair enough
02:14:25lespeathat's not really the highest priority
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02:14:41lespeais the stock firmware basically crap?
02:14:54bluebrotherdepends on the player ;-)
02:15:15bluebrotheron h100 series it wasn't too bad. But I started disliking it the moment I started using ogg files
02:15:21bluebrotherand rockbox is wayyy better :)
02:15:45DWSRDoes Rockbox support WMA, OGG, FLAC, and WAV files without any special work?
02:16:17rasherwma support is still a bit rough around the edges though, I believe
02:16:20bluebrotherwma is in an early stage
02:16:27bluebrotherno seeking yet.
02:16:29lespeai'm 100% mp3 here
02:16:44lespeai know ogg is better but i went w/mp3 for the compatability purposes
02:17:03DWSRI'm partly FLAC because I produce music
02:17:07bluebrotherI started converting like 2 years ago. Never want to go back.
02:17:38krazykiti'm just too lazy to reencode from flac.
02:17:42lespeabluebrother, all my mp3's are 192 variable w/lame (except downloaded of course)
02:17:55DWSRIf I have iTunes set to Display Album Artwork, will Rockbox as well?
02:18:14rasherAll my music is ogg when I have the choice (mainly on principle - my ears can't tell the difference anyway). I don't particularly have any issues with compatability.
02:18:18bluebrotherthere are other things I dislike about mp3 ... id3v1 vs. v2 f.e.
02:18:20krazykitDWSR, nope.
02:18:22lespeakrazykit, no real point in re-encoding to flac... the "damage" has already been done
02:18:28krazykitlespea, FROM flac.
02:18:36lespeaoh... lol sorry
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02:18:39lespeamy bad
02:18:43krazykitthe majority of my music is in flac right now. probably 70%
02:18:54JavaMan22why does so many themes i download not work
02:19:14rasherJavaMan22: Maybe they require unofficial builds. Or maybe you haven't installed the fonts pack. Possibly both.
02:19:25krazykitJavaMan22, various reasons, ranging from being old to unofficial builds.
02:19:32lespeamust have bugs in your player... i suggest shaking until they're all gone
02:19:48JavaMan22wats a good theme that is up to date
02:20:03krazykitJavaMan22, so we're supposed to magically guess what player you have?
02:20:05rasherlespea: while I laughed, it's probably not appropriate to give such advice in a support channel. You never know who's reading
02:20:13JavaMan225.5g :o
02:20:17bluebrotherhmm, aren't we getting quite off topic atm? Maybe move this to #rockbox-community?
02:20:30bluebrotherOTOH it's quite late here. I should go for some sleep :)
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02:20:40krazykitrasher, more like, you never know who's gonna follow silly instructions
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02:21:02lespeaoh my bad :o
02:21:03JavaMan22so any suggestions?
02:21:27krazykitanything on the official rockbox site that you think looks good.
02:21:42JavaMan22but i just said most of them dont work
02:21:52lespeawow, the cheapest x5 on a Very quick froogle was >400!
02:22:34rasherJavaMan22: you should look for one that claims to work with an official rockbox build. In other words, one that doesn't require any patches or special builds.
02:22:44rasherJavaMan22: you should also install the fonts pack, if you haven't yet.
02:23:01JavaMan22the font packs that come with the themes?
02:23:06JavaMan22or the one in the daily build
02:23:10JavaMan22that has all fonts
02:23:14rasherJavaMan22: no, the one on the daily build page
02:23:15bluebrotherthe daily fonts.
02:23:26JavaMan22if i do svn up
02:23:28lespeaoh nvm you can get it on their site for 300
02:23:30lespeastill $$$
02:23:32JavaMan22does it download the newest fonts?
02:23:48bluebrotherif you checked out the fonts module, yes.
02:24:00JavaMan22also antoher thing
02:24:01rasherYou still need to put them on your player, of course
02:24:04JavaMan22its not because of font
02:24:10JavaMan22the spacing is wrong on themes like
02:24:30rasherJavaMan22: where did you download them?
02:24:53bluebrotheryou also need to convert the fonts −− svn has the fonts in bdf format while rockbox requires its own fnt format
02:25:05bluebrotherI bet the easiest way is to just use the zip
02:25:12JavaMan22ok ill downlaod
02:25:34lespeado you guys recommend dual-booting?
02:25:35pixelmaI think those 2 require some patches
02:25:44lespeaor is it more hastle than it's worth?
02:25:51rasherUgh, the top-30 doesn't have a link to the details
02:25:57JavaMan22also how come my dictionary wont work
02:26:00JavaMan22my dict plugin
02:26:09JavaMan22i got the 2 files and places them in .rockbox
02:26:33bluebrotherjClix requires patches.
02:27:02pixelmalespea: on X5 it's a bit of a hassle because you need an unsupported bootloader (at the moment) - imo it's only worth it if you really need usb otg
02:27:20lespeapixelma, ah
02:27:21JavaMan22i hope Breeze doesnt...
02:27:33JavaMan22because that looks very nice :o
02:28:09rasherJavaMan22: you'd be better off browsing this list: and checking under each theme if it requires non-official features
02:28:18JavaMan22o yeh how come many themes include album pictures
02:28:24JavaMan22but ive never come across one
02:28:25JavaMan22that works
02:28:41bluebrotheralbum art isn't an official feature
02:28:41rasherJavaMan22: Because album art isn't supported by Rockbox.
02:28:46bluebrotherat least not yet.
02:29:01rasherJavaMan22: look in that page I linked you to for a WPS that has "Any Recent Daily Build" as Min Version
02:29:25rasherJavaMan22: Those are almost certain to work, unless they're very old
02:30:57JavaMan22thanks ill try some out
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02:34:44bluebrotherok, themes installer needs to get its last polishing tomorrow. Nite guys.
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02:35:26rasherI like bloodstained or dockpod remix. Or the phkTAPE for gimmick-value
02:35:55lespeawow the video ipod themes beat the crap out of the x5 ones :o
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02:36:27lespeaas do the toshiba ones
02:37:05krazykitthe gigabeat ones are pretty ok. can't say i've found a sansa theme i really like though.
02:37:25krazykitif i could just find some decent icons, i'd just make my own.
02:37:28rasherThe gigabeat is positively huge
02:37:47krazykitas it is, i don't have the inkscape skill to make icons that don't suck the big one.
02:39:10lespeahow is the gigabeat as a player?
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02:40:22lespeaand out of curiosity, why is it that a "hack" is needed for album art... why isn't it incorporated into the main release?
02:40:47rasherlespea: the way the patch is implemented isn't terribly clean
02:41:27rasherlespea: In short terms, it's code we don't want. And Rockbox needs some architecture changes before a "proper" version of album art can be included.
02:41:36rasherThose are underway though, so all is not lost.
02:41:43lespeamakes perfect sense actually, thank you :)
02:42:02lespeais there a general eta for those changes?
02:42:15lespealike months, years, ?
02:42:34krazykitwhenever someone gets around to implementing it, really.
02:42:56rasherI don't really know how work is progressing, but I'm tempted to guess "months"
02:43:10krazykitis that part of the SoC project?
02:43:37lespeaholy cow... i found a 60gb gigabeat for 214
02:43:50lespeathat's one helluva deal
02:44:01krazykiti suppose.
02:44:07krazykityou can find the 40s for right around 100
02:44:19krazykitmaybe 20 more or so.
02:44:19lespeawow that's a big difference
02:44:30rasherkrazykit: I believe MetadataOnBuffer (the needed architecture change) is a SoC project. Album-art itself isn't.
02:44:34lespeai could probably live w/40
02:44:48krazykiti thought i could
02:45:04krazykitbut i only have one gig of free space
02:45:25lespeayeah my music's at 42 gigs right now so i'd have to not have All my stuff
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02:46:31krazykiti'm right around 38 or 39, then. i'm considering moving to vorbis, so i have the benefit of lower bitrates but higher quality
02:47:38lespeahow're the controls on it?... wait do you even have a gigabeat? lol
02:48:39krazykityeah, i have a gigabeat
02:48:46krazykitthe cross takes some getting used to
02:48:51lespealike it or would you stear me clear?
02:48:56krazykitoh, i like it
02:49:09krazykitit's a touch-thing, but rockbox uses it as buttons
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02:49:16krazykitonce you get used to it, it's not even a problem at all
02:49:24lespeaoh okay good... that's what i'd want it as anyways
02:49:29lespeado you dual-boot it or is there no point?
02:49:34krazykitthere's no dual-booting
02:49:46krazykitbut the original firmware was a piece of shit
02:49:51lespeascratch-that ;)
02:49:54krazykitencrypting my mp3s? pff.
02:49:59lespealol wtf!
02:50:04lespeano wonder it's so cheap!
02:50:31krazykiti actually bought it for rockbox, so i turned it on briefly with the OF. i've spent less than 5 minutes in the OF ;-)
02:50:53lespeathat's hilarious
02:51:56krazykitrockbox is so much better than the original firmware. it's like the difference between...
02:52:14krazykitbeing kicked in the stomach and enjoying a slice of pizza, perhaps.
02:52:45lespeais it bulky or slim; big or small
02:52:59hcswell, to not exaggerate, maybe between watching someone else eat pizza and eating it yourself
02:53:01lespeaalso, sorry in advance if i ask too many ?s... just tell me to stop if i do :p
02:53:10krazykiteh, slim enough, i guess
02:53:23krazykitit's a few mm less wide than the ipod, but a few mm thicker
02:53:51krazykitcan't say i've put them side-by-side, though.
02:54:03lespeathat's fair... i only want a general size-up anyways
02:54:10lespeathe screen looks fab-u-lous
02:54:33krazykiti came from a black & white player, so it was a big upgrade. it's pretty damn nice.
02:54:50krazykiti mean, it's the same as the ipod video, just rotated 90 degrees
02:55:36lespeaw/rockbox can you rotate the screen... does that make sense?
02:56:01krazykitmpegplayer automatically rotates, and there's a patch to rotate, but it requires a reboot and a custom bootloader
02:56:20krazykitfor switching. you could easily use the sideways mode all the time.
02:57:59lespeahmm don't think i care that much ;)
02:58:06lespeampegplayer look descent?
02:58:24lespeaerr.... not that it matters since it wont have room for any movies :p
02:58:40krazykitgigabeat plays stuff at full resolution at full fps. it's got a pretty beefy processor.
02:59:08rashergigabeat is extremely powerful, compared to an ipod video
02:59:10lespeashit cool
02:59:14lespeatv out works?
02:59:32krazykiti didn't even know it supported tv-out
02:59:45krazykit...but don't you have a damn dvd player for that anyway :P
02:59:50lespeai just assumed :/
02:59:53lespeamy bad!
03:00:11lespeaavi movies on the fly... would be very nice
03:00:53krazykitit only supports mpeg2 video, though, so you'd be converting video anyway
03:01:25lespeayuck !
03:01:39lespeathen i def. wont be using that
03:01:41krazykitmeh, it's a music player. i don't understand wanting video on it anyway.
03:01:42lespeafor sure no room
03:01:45rasherIn almost all cases, you'd be converting anyway. I don't see why mpeg2 is so unappealing
03:01:49lespeai'd only want it for video out
03:02:31lespeayou know of a product that's basically a hard drive w/video out (no screen or anything) that could just be used to scurry around xvid's and stuff
03:02:41lespeacuz i would so buy that
03:02:46krazykitmost PMP devices, probably
03:03:05krazykitdapreview has a big list of them somewhere
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03:05:37lespeathey're so small though and have crap for outputs... like i'd want 500+ harddrvie
03:05:59krazykitbe back in 20.
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03:26:30lespeaso i'm bidding on a gigabeat 60Gb... right now only at 140
03:26:56lespeafigured it'd be worth the extra $ for more room
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03:27:46krazykityeah, but you COULD just get 2 40's ;-)
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03:40:38AngelofwarHi guys
03:40:46AngelofwarI have a question
03:41:01IA4004what happens?
03:41:04AngelofwarI want to update my ipod video to latest vesion of rockbox
03:41:17Angelofwarbut i want to preserve all settings and games and stuff
03:41:32IA4004download rockbox utility
03:41:42krazykitsimple enough. just unzip the build into the root of the ipod
03:42:08Angelofwaryeah but will that overwrite previous scores on games, backgrounds, fonts...etc
03:42:23krazykitthough plugins have recently been put into directories, so you may have to move the configs and high scores to the correct locations
03:42:31krazykitit won't touch your WPS settings or anything, though
03:42:34AngelofwarI see
03:43:08AngelofwarI'm a little paranoid to touch it because i'm multibooting apple os, rockbox, and ipodlinux through ipodlinux's bootloader
03:43:25IA4004dont get scared about that
03:43:43AngelofwarYeah i didn't think it would effect linux or anything
03:43:52Angelofwarit's just there is nothing wrong with my ipod right now
03:43:55Angelofwarand everything is great
03:43:59Angelofwarbut i need to update
03:44:08IA4004so go ahead and update it
03:44:15Angelofwarbut then again what is new?
03:44:20krazykitsince when?
03:44:24Angelofwar1 sec
03:44:27krazykitlots of bug fixes, to be sure
03:45:22AngelofwarVersion r12551-070302
03:45:49krazykitmarch, damn.
03:46:03Angelofwarha is it that old?
03:46:05krazykitwma support, among other things
03:46:12krazykitwell, seeing as it's the middle of august, yes, that's old
03:46:21Angelofwaris there some sort of changelog i could look at
03:46:36krazykitthere's a MajorChanges page
03:47:29krazykitthat one
03:48:58Angelofwari see
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03:49:54Angelofwarwell really the only thing I want to save is the high score for 1 game and the backgrounds/font sizes
03:50:04Angelofwarso i will just copy/paste to root and hope for the best!
03:50:35AngelofwarI wonder if they have fixed the battery bug
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03:50:52krazykitwhat bug, the one where the runtime is much worse?
03:51:09LloreanIf you're referring to the runtime, I wouldn't call it a "bug" so much as simply Rockbox being incomplete on iPods so far.
03:51:14AngelofwarIt is like whenever I shut down rockbox using the play button
03:51:18LloreanWe don't have the information necessary yet.
03:51:23Angelofwarthe next time it turns on it's almost out of batterys
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04:25:48DMJChow much code has changed in a month?
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04:28:21IA4004a lot of code
04:28:39IA4004I dont know but a lot of it has changed
04:28:55scorcheDMJC: click the "last 4 weeks" link and find out...
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04:42:23DMJCheh I'm getting better at making this stuff patch
04:46:44DMJCI got albumart working
04:46:55scorcheyou really dont need to give us updates...
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04:56:48DMJCis there a howto guide to making new fonts?
05:00:29scorchesearch the wiki and find out...i would have to do the same to answer that question
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06:12:26DMJCif I want text to be left justified and positioned via x/y is that possible?
06:12:32ze woops
06:12:44DMJCcan that be defined in the wps?
06:12:59LloreanDMJC: "Left justified" and "Positioned via x/y" is to an extent mutually exclusive...
06:13:05LloreanUsually X defines the leftmost edge of the text.
06:13:23LloreanBut in the case of the WPS, Y is controlled simply by which line you put it on, and you have L/C/R justification
06:13:29DMJCok basically i want something | | text sits here
06:13:47DMJCso I need a big gap between the text and the left edge of the screen
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06:41:10korndubhello i just installed rockbox on my 30g 5.5 ipod and i have a question,. i have looked in the manual but cant seem to find how to modify button mapping... could someone please help?
06:41:43LloreanIt requires compiling
06:42:13korndubim sorry to be a pest, where can i find instructions on how to do this?
06:42:24LloreanThere's a SimpleGuideToCompiling wiki page
06:42:56korndubthank you
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07:24:26scorchesarixe: did you need something?
07:24:45sarixejust look at IA4004/mexicankiller though
07:25:08sarixecan't make up his mind, lol
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08:21:44ddaltondoes anyone know anything about p6323?
08:25:36IA4004what is that?
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08:55:31GodEaterI have one whole kudos!
08:55:41*GodEater would like to thank petur for his kind contribution
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08:56:20scorchei am... Ranked 54679 of 54754...ouch
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08:56:43*GodEater goes search for scorche to kudos him up a bit
08:56:51scorchenooooo =P
08:56:59GodEaterI like how you can give kudos to people even if they're not on ohloh
08:57:06GodEaterlinuxstb is doing really well !
08:57:31scorchedo we have an unlimited amount of kudos?
08:58:11GodEaterI've not run out of it to give away yet
08:58:18B4gderit is unlimited
08:58:23LloreanYou can't run out, but they're worth less the more you give, it says
08:58:27IA4004what is kudos?
08:58:59scorcheoff i go to load people up then...
08:59:00B4gderIA4004: see
08:59:11*linuxstb_ wonders what this ohloh thing is all about...
08:59:21GodEaterit's how Bagder is planning on paying you
08:59:29GodEaterthe less kudos you have, the less money he sends you
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08:59:42B4gderdarn, when did that leak?
09:00:09*jhMikeS probably owes money then :P (g'morning)
09:00:13*Llorean wonders if there's a way to decline Kudos...
09:00:23scorcheB4gder: you are very sparkly =)
09:00:33GodEateris 10 as high as you can get ranked ?
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09:01:37GodEaterI'm amazed, I jumped from one to seven with only one vote
09:01:59B4gdertheir algo is a bit weird
09:02:10scorcheno such luck for me...
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09:02:24GodEaterjhMikeS: I mean kudos
09:02:43GodEaterscorche: I suspect it's because I got mine from petur, who is already like rank 9 or something, and you only got one from me :(
09:02:52scorchei see...
09:03:03*Llorean is rank 8 for no apparent reason
09:03:06GodEaterbut as bagder says, their algo is a bit odd
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09:03:24B4gderit's far from obvious how various people end up
09:03:43scorchedoes developer contributions come into effect as well?
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09:04:51scorcheno surprise you are a 10 then =)
09:05:27B4gderI also think that you get more for contributing to widely used projects (ie part of many stacks)
09:05:40IA4004someone would suggest me something to do at 2am?
09:05:45IA4004hahaha xD
09:05:51B4gderIA4004: fix a few bugs
09:06:03IA4004I dont know how to program
09:06:08scorcheIA4004: use rockbox? we said before, this isnt a social channel
09:06:13B4gderthen learn how to program!
09:06:31IA4004I'm on the hardware side not on the software
09:07:03scorchethen make us an open hardware DAP
09:07:24IA4004too much time for that
09:07:31IA4004I know just a bit
09:07:36GodEaterLlorean: where do you put the ohloh widget code to get it to show up in your forum sig ?
09:07:40IA4004not much,just the basics
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09:07:45scorcheso neither hardware, nor software just yet? =P
09:08:03IA4004I prefer hardware
09:08:04LloreanGodEater: In the forum sig section of your forum profile? It eats up a large portion of the maximum number of characters.
09:08:39GodEaterI tried that, but it just rendered it as text
09:08:43IA4004but the computer eats up most of my time
09:08:49*scorche would rather not put one of those up with a 0 commit, rank 1 under his signatire =P
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09:09:31scorcheGodEater: turn html on in your profile?
09:09:42GodEaterah - didn't spot that option
09:09:49GodEaterI'll try that when the forums wake up again
09:10:20jhMikeSthe Contributors section at is just weird to look at. I
09:10:47jhMikeS've got one of the shortest records and one of the highest lines modified
09:11:15B4gderI like those different stats
09:11:38IA4004damn the TWiki preferences are too complex to understand them
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09:13:09*GodEater can't find the html option
09:13:28LloreanGodEater: There's a Bulletin Board Code widget that you use, it's not the HTML one
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09:14:33GodEaterI must be going blind
09:16:32B4gderGodEater: then you're using just the right dap firmware!
09:16:43GodEaterv. true
09:16:57*GodEater attempts to also insert his gravatar into the forums
09:17:13GodEaterand predictably, it fails
09:18:07mexicankillerI think that I have nothing to do at 2 am xD
09:18:28scorchestop changing your nick so much please...
09:18:40mexicankillerit will be that nick
09:18:42scorcheand as well, like i said, this isnt a social channel
09:18:50mexicankillerok sorry
09:19:03mexicankillerI've got my sansa open
09:19:13mexicankillerand I dont know what to do
09:19:17B4gdermexicankiller: not an R model is it?
09:19:42B4gderyou mean it is or is not?
09:19:49mexicankilleris not
09:20:05B4gderis it a 1.1 hw revision?
09:20:10mexicankillerit gaved me a lot of troubles
09:20:15hfliezfhwhat is the difference between r and non-r (other than "one lets you use rhapsody, and one allows installation of rockbox")? fundamental hardware diff?
09:20:20mexicankilleryes 1.1
09:20:28GodEaterhfliezfh: good question
09:20:31B4gderhfliezfh: there's no fundamental hw diff that we know of
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09:20:55B4gdermexicankiller: so possibly we could use hidef scans of it
09:20:57mexicankillerthe rhapsody models are getting cheap
09:21:05hfliezfhjust, one you can't flash and the other you can? (or has that changed)
09:21:12mexicankillerI think I could buy one in 2 months
09:21:22markunmexicankiller: why do you change your nick?
09:21:29linuxstb_B4gder: Do you know if the USB disk mode is hiding part of the flash disk on the R? i.e. is it presenting a slightly smaller disk?
09:21:29B4gderhfliezfh: put shortly that's still the case
09:21:37mexicankilleris just that I like that nick
09:21:50B4gderlinuxstb_: I don't know, I've not gotten any clear response on that yet
09:22:03markunmexicankiller: why don't you use it then?
09:22:15mexicankillerI dont know xD
09:22:27linuxstb_markun: Any TTS news?
09:22:34markunlinuxstb_: nope :(
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09:23:12mexicankillerI now have the way to open my sansa
09:23:19mexicankillerI'm goiung to open it
09:23:45B4gderyou already said you had it open...
09:23:48GodEaterhurrah - gravatar successfully embedded too
09:24:01B4gderoo, fancy
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09:24:13B4gderso post something so that we can admire it!
09:24:17*GodEater had to strip off the rating and size again
09:24:19jhMikeSsansa, is easy to open. just remove the screws and use fingernails −− no damage.
09:24:31GodEaterjust look at the ipod install went wrong thread
09:24:38B4gderyeah I found the sansa very easy to open and close without damage
09:24:44scorcheGodEater: haha....just a "7"?
09:24:49B4gderI could even detach parts easily
09:25:16mexicankillerand also the nand chip of the sansa is magnet proof
09:25:38scorchemexicankiller: what possible benefit does that give to this channel?
09:25:58jhMikeSmagnet proof?
09:26:16B4gderare magnets really that hard on a typical nand?
09:26:23*GodEater is proud of his 7 :(
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09:26:56mexicankillerI've detached the nand chip
09:27:07mexicankillerI heard some cracking noises
09:27:18B4gderyou only have one nand chip then?
09:27:20jhMikeSit's got a little tape deck in it
09:27:51jhMikeSapparently he does now
09:28:12mexicankiller2 chips on the little board
09:28:28mexicankillerone has an stick with a serial
09:28:59scorchewe are familiar with the board of the sansas...
09:29:28mexicankillerwhats the diference between a sansa ver 1.0 and a 1.1?
09:29:45B4gdermexicankiller: it seems rockbox has some graphical glitch on the lcd when it runs on the 1.1
09:30:06mexicankillerI have the 1.1:(
09:30:09hfliezfhis that confirmed to be limited to 1.1?
09:30:18B4gderhfliezfh: I'm not sure
09:30:27Lloreanhfliezfh: You can't confirm something like that
09:30:39LloreanAt best you can say "All respondents who've checked their hardware version have reported 1.1"
09:30:42hfliezfhyou can disprove it easily, tho
09:30:54LloreanYep, you can disprove it, but we haven't managed to yet.
09:30:59B4gderI would guess that most people never check their PCB ;-)
09:31:02LloreanSo it's at least a fair bet until new information comes up
09:31:09B4gderpeople are strange
09:31:25LloreanI'd love to know what the correlating factor with the dodgy Nanos is.
09:32:08GodEaterSolar activity
09:32:21mexicankillerif need parts of the sansa
09:32:32mexicankillermy sansa is ruined so
09:32:34hfliezfhmexicankiller, next time you feel the need to say 'erm' on a line by itself, don't.
09:32:46mexicankilleroh ok
09:32:56B4gdermexicankiller: feel free to submit your parts on the SpareParts wiki page
09:33:07LloreanGodEater: in theory we now have failing ones running 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, and 1.3.1, with several known hardware revisions *and* flash firmware versions, including one perfectly identical to mine
09:33:42mexicankillerB4gder I already put that in the spare parts section
09:33:47B4gderah, cool
09:33:49mexicankillerbut I'm going to edit it
09:33:53GodEaterin which case I stand by my diagnosis - clearly solar storms and the respondents position under different parts of the ozone layer are to blame!
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09:34:03mexicankilleras this cant be run anymore :(
09:34:07LloreanGodEater: I should poll geographic location.
09:34:11mexicankillerthe sansa gave me troubles
09:34:12GodEaterhehe yep
09:34:13B4gdermexicankiller: what happened to it?
09:34:17LloreanGodEater: Maybe it's something crazy like "All Australian Nanos"
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09:34:26mexicankillerwhen I bought it
09:34:34mexicankillerdays later it gave me troubles
09:34:35GodEaterLlorean: maybe their electricity flows the wrong way?
09:34:39mexicankillerrelating to the files
09:34:49LloreanGodEater: Counterclockwise spin! So obvious!
09:34:57B4gdermexicankiller: so why didn't you just return it under the warranty?
09:35:06mexicankillerthe sansa E200 series is a very problematic DAP
09:35:13B4gdermexicankiller: why so?
09:35:39mexicankilleryou have to reformat it every mont to give away the troubles
09:35:57hfliezfhdid the forums just go down?
09:35:58B4gderI don't believe that
09:36:19hfliezfhnvm, error is gone.
09:36:21mexicankillerman I'm not saying lies
09:36:24B4gderhfliezfh: they're usually very slow at this time of day
09:36:36mexicankilleris the truth the whole truth
09:36:37B4gdermexicankiller: I believe you had this problem with your player, sure
09:36:55B4gderit doesn't mean that the e200 series have this problem in general
09:37:11mexicankillerI've had use a zen nano and it never gaved me any trouble
09:37:12B4gderI've never heard anyone mention it before
09:37:17hfliezfhmexicankiller: every dap is a problematic dap if you have a problem with it; quality control always has at least some issues and no device is perfect
09:37:41B4gdermexicankiller: seems like you have a vast amount of units to run statistics on...
09:38:34mexicankillerin my house I'm the one who knows more about pc;s
09:38:47*Llorean posts one last post in the forums, and heads to bed.
09:38:50mexicankillermy mom doessn't know how to use it
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09:43:46mexicankiller hey
09:43:56mexicankillersomething weird happened to my sansa
09:44:09LinusNaliask: the button driver is supposed to handle that
09:44:24aliaskLinusN: I'm writing the button driver :P
09:44:24LinusNmexicankiller: you killed it? :-P
09:44:38LinusNaliask: then see how it is done on the other targets
09:45:36mexicankillerit now
09:45:46mexicankillershows the screen all white
09:46:34mexicankillerthats wierd
09:46:39B4gderso you broke it when you disassembled it?
09:46:55mexicankillerI just put things as it were
09:47:10B4gderand now it doesn't work anymore...
09:47:25mexicankillerI can acces to recovery mode
09:47:47mexicankillernow it says
09:48:07mexicankiller"load main image failed switch to recovery mode"
09:48:31B4gderso put a fine mi4 back on it
09:48:53B4gder"load main image failed" == the mi4 was not fine
09:49:02B4gderI would assume at least
09:49:36mexicankillernow the shame
09:49:44mexicankilleris that I losed the cable
09:50:47mexicankillerI'll be back very later
09:50:49mexicankillersee ya
09:51:06mexicankillerI'm going to take a shower and then sleep,here is going to be 3 am
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09:56:26*pondlife laughs at the continued use of the "Rockbox Logo" thread.
09:59:09pondlifeBlimey, the fora are slow today..
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10:01:39GodEaterthey always are at this time
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10:14:00*amiconn is still #3 rockbox committer...
10:14:07GodEatershow off
10:14:21*linuxstb still has the most lines ;)
10:14:28*linuxstb hugs libFLAC
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10:15:12linuxstbDoes it count twice - once when I added it, and once when I removed it?
10:15:24B4gderquite possibly
10:19:21*amiconn has to say that he still doesn't get the purpose of ohloh
10:19:33amiconnI mean, it's nice statistics, but apart from that??
10:19:51B4gderwhy would it need to be a lot more than that?
10:20:12B4gderI like seeing what people are up to, connections between developers etc
10:20:20peturagreed, it's just nice to have
10:21:44peturI get the feeling the ohloh spidering is either not working anymore or a bit overloaded... no more updates since 6/8
10:21:47amiconnBut then you don't need to register at all. If the project is registered, you'll appear.
10:22:09B4gderamiconn: yes, but it can't know who you are and if you're the same as in other projects etc
10:22:29B4gderpetur: yeah, and some projects haven't been updated in far longer time than so
10:22:43*petur gave amiconn kudos regardless ;)
10:22:52amiconnYeah, I saw
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10:23:11*amiconn thinks this kudos thing doesn't really tell much
10:23:34scorcheis it supposed to?
10:23:41B4gderhaha, you're thinking too much
10:23:52B4gderits fun, end of story
10:23:55scorchei have a 1...does that mean i am horrid? =)
10:24:28scorchei didnt ask your opinion! =P
10:24:53aliaskWoohoo I'm beating someone :D
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10:25:26*scorche removes the salt from his wound
10:25:54aliaskThe silver wreath looks nicer than the 2-7 one IMO
10:26:20scorcheyou mean grey?
10:26:32aliaskTake your pick :P
10:26:48scorchesilver is 8...or 9...
10:27:33makeshifthow far along has development come on the 4G greyscale iPod? is there a likelihood of turning it into a shiny paperweight, or are things working now?
10:28:00B4gdermakeshift: the paperweight risk is next to zero
10:28:43scorcheat least, we have never had a paperweight happen due to rockbox
10:29:20amiconnYou cannot brick an ipod by installing rockbox
10:29:48ddaltonwhy? Maybe I did. but I don't know if it was rockbox. I think the hard drive just broke.
10:29:57GodEaterthe only known way to brick an ipod as far as I'm aware, is a hard reset whilst it's doing an APPLE firmware upgrade
10:30:13GodEateror dropping it out of a 4th floor window
10:30:22amiconnWorst thing that might happen is that refuses to boot, but it's always restorable, unless there's a hardware error that just appears while installing rockbox
10:31:08peturor a failed install and one of the buttons needed for resetting it being broken? :)
10:31:33amiconnThat would be a hardware error...
10:31:40makeshiftah, well that's reassuring.
10:32:32*petur was just kidding...
10:33:10makeshiftI meant all the above replies are reassuring. heh.
10:33:41pixelmaGodEater: dropping it from other floors would be ok? :P
10:34:00GodEaterpixelma: of course
10:34:13*B4gder goes to verify
10:34:54aliaskLike a cat - there is a certain height from which they fall and do not land without injury, but higher or lower and they're fine.
10:34:56*petur remembers this guy thinking rockbox broke his ipod and tossing it out of the window, only to get told later he could reset it...
10:35:45scorchemy dad seems to think i broke his ajbr by disassembling and reassembling it..
10:35:52B4gderI remember the description a long time ago from a guy who forgot his archos on the roof of his car when he took off...
10:36:07B4gderthe rubber feet made it sit there fine at quite some speed
10:36:14scorchei think i remember that
10:36:24scorchethose things are tanks =)
10:36:39B4gderyeah, but when he hit the breaks it flew off
10:37:25Zagorthat's gotta be doubly painful: not just forgetting it there, but actually seeing it fly off to its' destruction
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10:37:44makeshiftnormally I'm not afraid to try beta software, but when its more integrated into hardware and involes flashing and such, I try and read up as much as possible.
10:38:04B4gder"hey what's that flying?" [moment of silence] "oh..."
10:38:07amiconnRockbox installation on ipods doesn't involve flashing
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10:38:11scorchethe ipod process....bah
10:38:29makeshift...I've clearly not read enough, then.
10:39:01scorchewhich is partly why it is so safe
10:40:09*GodEater agrees with linuxstb
10:41:23scorchewell, there could be things to do that would be malicious
10:41:45scorchewhich is why i said partly...i thought about that =)
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10:48:20*GodEater is getting annoyed with the number of recent ipod posts where users have run their batteries down and then claim their ipod is "dead"
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10:58:46pondlifeStupid Cygwin question... Having set up a build environment, I have the m86k compilers etc. installed, but not in $PATH. How do I *permanentely* add them to the path?
10:59:24bluebrotherpondlife: add them to ~/.bash_profile
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10:59:59bluebrotheror in /etc/profile.d to make it globally for all users
11:01:04pondlifeI didn't have to do that on my previous install...I'm 99% suer.
11:01:07pondlifesure, even.
11:01:30bluebrotherI prefer to install the cross compiler to /usr/local −− that's already in my path
11:01:47*pondlife just follows the wiki.
11:02:35ddaltonPondlife: all the info is in the easy guide to setting up cygwin. It is in the developers section.
11:02:54pondlifeThat's the one I followed.
11:03:19bluebrotherthere are various ways to achieve that on linux ...
11:03:19pondlifeIt worked fine on my Win2K PC, but on my XP one it seems not to have set up these paths.
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11:04:58ddaltonPondlife: see step 4 "Step 4: Add the cross-compiler directory to your path "
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11:05:36pondlifeddalton: I did that..
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11:05:50pondlifeI'll check for typos...
11:05:54ddaltonpondlife did it work?
11:06:43SliMMrbutil for ubuntu feisty isn't working
11:07:06SliMMeven after i installed libwxbase
11:07:40bluebrotherscorche: around?
11:07:47*scorche waves
11:07:58bluebrothernice. How's the theme site going?
11:08:29scorchei havent had a chance to look at it in the last couple days...been busy looking for a new job
11:09:06B4gderSliMM: "isn't working" is a rather vague description
11:10:06bluebrotherah, ok. I have integration of rbutil working now but it requires the changed php script
11:10:32scorchegood =)
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11:10:50SliMMB4gder: wel, it isn't being installed :)
11:11:10B4gderit being rbutil?
11:11:13SliMMit says that libwxbase is needed for instalation
11:11:25B4gderwhen you do what?
11:11:31SliMMwell*, and yes, it being rbutil
11:11:32aliaskSliMM: I bet you're using an old version of wxbase
11:11:36B4gderMy mind reader is on vacation
11:11:39markunB4gder: a bit ironic:
11:11:43aliaskIt needs to be 2.8 or higher
11:11:50SliMMaliask, no, the latest\
11:12:12SliMMwell actually 2.8, i don't know which is the latest
11:12:20B4gdermarkun: yeah, but hardly a surprise since they imagine some kind of busniess around the site/concept
11:13:21bluebrotherscorche: are you able to put the new script to the themes site?
11:13:33bluebrotherThen users could test the themes installation in rbutilqt
11:13:35scorcheof course
11:13:49bluebrothergreat :)
11:14:01bluebrotherI changed the name slightly ;-)
11:14:08scorcheof course =)
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11:15:47scorcheit is up
11:16:11scorchealthough i dont have time really to integrate it atm, if that is needed
11:16:36scorchethen again, i can make small changes quickly =)
11:16:58bluebrotherwell, I'll try against current rbutilqt
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11:18:16bluebrotherhopefully it works out of the box ...
11:25:04ddalton /msg aliask so how would you use them?
11:25:40bluebrotherdamn, segfauls again :'-(
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11:45:57scorcheoh...btw, horrible picture of me (i hadnt slept for 3 days and was likely in some form of intoxication), but rockbox has its presence in the winners circle of the toughest contest at defcon:
11:47:06scorchewell, one of the toughest...CTF is rough as well
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11:48:17peturmarkun: I like how he just ran off after the question "how do you plan to make money from this?"
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11:48:50*GodEater feels like he missed something
11:49:06petur30 minutes ago...
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12:07:43markunGodEater: about the software behind ohloh not being open source
12:08:08peturtoday is delay day!
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12:12:12Zagorscorche: what contest was that?
12:12:31scorcheLosT box
12:13:35scorcherequired advanced crypto, electronics, physical security, well...i shall link you to the thing he will post about it summing it up =)
12:14:21scorchewhen he gathers it all up, that would take me over an hour to explain all of it person to person =)
12:14:43barrywardellpetur: how is austriancoder progressing with the USB stuff?
12:14:59peturless than expected
12:15:30barrywardelldid he get sending working?
12:16:07peturwe need some hackers with the right hardware to help out I fear
12:17:28pondlifeBit like the Nano issue, then...
12:17:50barrywardellis FS #6494 of any use?
12:18:18barrywardellit's just debug info, but maybe it would help
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12:19:27barrywardellalso, is there a recent patch I could try?
12:19:37Zagorscorche: this?
12:20:07scorchesimply the first phase, but yes =)
12:20:50scorcheand they are missing a few things...
12:21:17scorcheit was damn fun though
12:21:23B4gderit sounds fun
12:22:09scorche was the sit
12:22:13Zagoryeah, looks like great fun
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12:26:00scorcheto sum it up, you had to crack the crypto (which took around 8 hours, although i had it together at 25 min in, yet we rejected my ideas), then you got a new box, pick a lock that was very hard to even get to the keyway, get a clue, screw with electronics, pick/dremel 2 more locks, interpret a coded schematic, solder, find a certain light that would interact with the photocell, do advanced fibbonacci (after you figured out to use that), then y
12:26:28scorchei am dropping large parts of course...
12:27:04aliaskthis sounds awesome
12:27:10scorcheit was =)
12:27:24aliaskmust have been a bit of effort to set up
12:27:42scorchei very much doubt any single person could have done it, except for LosT who set it up himself...
12:27:51B4gdermust be hard to setup to get the perfect complexity level
12:28:04scorcheyeah...i cant wait for next year =)
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12:30:29scorchethat would be the second box...they weighed around 30 pounds total and you had to (or at least thought you had to till you solved it and realized it wasnt a big deal) keep it straight up and down
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12:34:32scorchebetter pictures here:
12:34:53scorchealthough, i would wait for when LosT puts together his page, as his will be complete
12:35:17peturbarrywardell: thanks for that FS#, didn't know it. austrianscoder test is this:
12:35:36*petur walks away for lunch
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12:44:16linuxstb_petur: Is any of austriancoder's work commitable? (even if it's not enabled in normal builds)
12:44:17barrywardellthanks petur. I'll look at that patch
12:52:54B4gderI've tried to arrange a rendez vous on the secret park bench, trench coats on and a secret drop-the-package place with our secret friend to see if he can/wants to help with this
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12:55:38JdGordonB4gder: sweeten the deal... make sure he gets a tshirt!
12:55:55B4gderits hard to get him one since he has no address
12:56:12GodEateralso, he could never wear it
12:56:25B4gderI've already tried to give him a player
12:56:31B4gderie target
13:00:32aliaskWhich target? Doesn't he already have a sansa?
13:00:45B4gderyeah, he bought one himself instead
13:01:27JdGordonbuy the man an R so he can really be usefull....
13:01:36B4gderhe did almost all his work without having a target
13:01:52JdGordonhe speaks asm?
13:01:53B4gderreading disassembly
13:02:13B4gderapparently he's quite skilled at it
13:02:53B4gderhe got a target to be able to verify his findings about how to get stuff to run on it and how to talk in manufacture mode etc
13:02:57preglowwho's the guy porting to a sansa c2xx, btw?
13:03:16B4gdermrobe wasn't enough for me
13:03:19B4gderfor him
13:03:33B4gder(how did that get "me" ?)
13:04:04B4gderbut there was a guy around ages ago who did some initial c200 tests
13:04:15B4gderwhich is how we know the e200tool etc works on it
13:05:01B4gderimho, we really should get some of low_light's new port work in svn soon
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13:11:34aliaskWhere's his c200 work?
13:12:36B4gderon his computer ;-)
13:12:57B4gderhe got the bootloader to start, displaying text on the lcd
13:12:57aliaskHas he found the framebuffer?
13:13:03aliaskOh, sweet
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13:52:11pondlifeB4gder: For building daily voice files under Windows, would I need to re-run configure each time? I assume so :(
13:52:29B4gderthat's what I do, just to be safe
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13:52:48pondlifeDo you just have a text file with the input in for each target?
13:53:04pondlifeThe Archos RAM size question caught me out...
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13:53:18rasherwell, the strings are collected in the "make voice" step, so it shouldn't be necessary unless the configure script changes
13:53:36B4gderright, but an automated script never really know when configure changes...
13:53:58rasherThen it's clearly not complicated enough
13:54:24rasherAt least you can keep the pool
13:54:39B4gderwe stopped keeping the pool
13:54:48B4gdersince otherwise it won't adapt to tool updates properly
13:55:30B4gderso we start all daily builds with removing the pool
13:55:33rasherTrue enough. It's not like it takes that long anyway
13:56:27B4gderone fix would be to not use the target compiler when preprocessing the features list
13:56:45pondlifeI take it I can re-use the MP3 clips across targets, i.e. not clean them up between targets..
13:56:56B4gderpondlife: correct
13:57:04pondlifeGood, that will help a lot.
13:57:26rasherBuilding the additional targets are practically free once the first one's built
13:57:51Domonokybluebrother: some how downloading with rbutil doesnt work anymore for me.. i always get a 403 error.. will try it again with a clean svn rbutil
13:57:53rasherB4gder: that's pretty silly, really
13:58:54B4gderI think I'll fix it right away
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14:01:01JdGordonbah, nls isnt around
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14:06:15pondlifeHmm, buildall-voices deletes the build directory with the mp3 clips in after each target.. I assume the SAPI5 voice building should be using a tmp directory for them..?
14:06:28pondlifeOtherwise, no pooling!
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14:06:50B4gderthat script sets POOL to point to a separate pool directory
14:06:56rasherYou set an environment variable POOL to some dir outside the build directory
14:07:28pondlifeMaybe the SAPI script needs to use $POOL somewhere?
14:07:43rasherThat should be handled by genvoice entirely
14:08:04rasherunless you do something nasty in the sapi scripts
14:08:59pondlifeI probably do...
14:09:26pondlifeUnder Cygwin they deliberatly put the MP3 clips into the build dir.
14:09:30pondlifeShould be using the pool dir
14:09:48rasherThey should put them where genvoice tells them to
14:11:20pondlifeI'm ending up with 5K .voice files too - probably the same issue.
14:11:38rasherAre the sapi scripts encoding the files?
14:12:08pondlifeNo, the LAME stuff is unchanged
14:12:19pondlifeAlthough the paths are different for Cygwin
14:12:22rasherThen the mp3 files *should* end up in POOL
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14:12:53rasheras far as I can tell
14:13:37pondlifeI maybe broke it in
14:13:59pondlifePreviously it used TEMPDIR="${pwd}"
14:14:10pondlifeWhich might have been POOL?
14:14:13JdGordonre: , should I make the settings code forcfully translate "off" instead of just displaying the string?
14:14:35rasherpondlife: no. I think that's fine
14:14:53rasherPOOL is not set in any of the standard scripts.
14:14:53pondlifeHmm, no other path changes AFAIK
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14:15:02*rasher digs out cygwin
14:16:14*pondlife digs out lunch
14:16:30*B4gder just digs
14:16:43rasherGuess I need a target compiler, then. As long as B4gder hasn't changed that
14:16:54B4gderI just fixed it
14:17:10B4gderuses hostcc now
14:18:46rasherI think the problem might be the use of soft-links rather than copies. I imagine it might not work on windows
14:19:08B4gderouch, right
14:19:38bluebrotherDomonoky: strange ... it worked fine for me
14:20:18rasherIn fact, I'm quite sure that's the case
14:21:13Domonokybluebrother:i have strange problems with the HttpGetter.. on some downloads it stops now with error 403, and others like the one which installs the doom files downloads, but never finishes..
14:22:03rasherB4gder: is it worth it to make a special-case and use cp instead of ln. Or could we just use cp in all cases? I know it's wasteful, but is it significant? (I doubt it takes many milliseconds to copy a 5-10kb file
14:22:37B4gderI'd say use cp only
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14:24:12bluebrotherhmm, something is weird −− now I'm getting similar issues. It worked fine yesterday before I committed :(
14:24:49rasherGosh, building in cygwin/with sapi is slow
14:25:31LinusNhere's something interesting:
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14:26:16pandrewhey guys! where should i put linux.bin for the rockbox bootloader if i want to have ipodlinux too?
14:26:20LinusNahd this:
14:26:23rasherwe do have the problem that a new process is started for each clip
14:26:33rasherBut I guess a simple "clip-generation" server could be written
14:26:39bluebrotherpandrew: in the root of the fat partition
14:26:44LinusNrasher: see the links i posted
14:27:10rasherLinusN: yeah, but the "one process per clip" is because of how genvoice works
14:27:30rasherSomewhat, at least
14:27:31LinusNyes, but it couls be rewritten in perl :-)
14:27:50rasherAh, like that
14:27:52pandrewbluebrother: and is there anything else i need to put there? i already have a primary partition (3), at the end of the harddisk where i copyed the userland and the lib folder. when i start with linux, the ipod freezes with the apple logo on it....
14:28:46bluebrothernothing that I'm aware of
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14:30:08pandrewbluebrother: by the way i have an ipod video 5g, are there any known issues about that? i couldn't install ipl either. it could start, but ipl couldn't load the official apple os. i stopped there...
14:30:37B4gderpandrew: we don't deal with ipl here, go #ipodlinux for that
14:30:58B4gderrockbox should work fine on the 5g
14:31:24pandrewB4gder: i wan not asking about ipl, i just said that it didn't work....
14:31:45B4gderand how has that anything to do with rockbox then?
14:32:05pandrewB4gder: i can't find a reason why the _rockbox bootloader_ can't load linux
14:32:39B4gderneither can I
14:32:45babauHi guys, I'm having an issue whereby I can't alter the permissions or ownership of any folders on my iPod when mounted under rockbox firmware. I'm using a 1st gen iPod nano and Ubuntu Linux. "sudo chown" just returns "Operation not permitted." Any ideas?
14:32:47B4gderI guess it isn't very frequently used
14:32:55B4gder(to load linux)
14:34:07rasherbabau: There is no such thing as permissions or ownership in fat32. I suspect your disk might be mounted read-only. This is really not rockbox related.
14:34:42babauRight, cheers. I wasn't sure whether it was a rockbox or "other" issue. Cheers for the pointer.
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14:35:56rasherHrm, actually I got a working voice with cygwin/sapi5, even with linking rather than copying
14:36:28rasherpondlife: not quite sure what your issue is then
14:42:03JdGordoncan someone try out a patch for me please? I'm tryying to make some more string translated, but cant use the menu if its not english....">
14:42:50JdGordonhopefully that works...
14:43:00JdGordoncheck if off is translated in the peakmeter settings please?">
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14:46:17peturbah... wireless outside my home isn't that reliable :/
14:51:27JdGordonsomeoen please test that patch so I can goto bed?
14:51:45scorcheoh...bed...thanks for reminding me =)
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14:56:11peturJdGordon: still want that tested?
14:56:27peturI get a page not found
14:56:32JdGordonthe 2nd link?
14:57:16petur"Welcome to"
14:57:22pandrewbluebrother: is there a way i can send some arguments to the linux kernel? it won't find my root partition!">
14:57:34Domonokybluebrother: i found a (at least partial) fix for the httpgetter problem.. you use http.get(QString(url.toEncoded())); with http.get(url.path()..) it works.. :-)
14:58:11pandrewor anyone else knows a way to pass parameters to a linux kernel in the rockbox bootloader?
14:58:12linuxstb_babau: Linux will normally make a drive read-only if it detects filesystem errors. Try unmounting it and running fsck
14:59:13linuxstb_pandrew: It can't be done (unless someone implements it). But you shouldn't need to tell it the root fs - assuming you've created the partition it's looking for.
15:00:07Domonokybluebrother: this fix, fixes my problems with the 403 error, but the problem that the downloading doesnt finish (e.g doom file downloading) still persist..
15:00:35bluebrotherhmm. Using path() also will ignore any arguments (which are needed by the themes php script)
15:00:48pandrewlinuxstb_: it's on the 3-rd primary position in the partition table, it is an ext2 partiton. it is of type 83 (Linux), and it is on the enf of the harddisk (cylinder-wise)
15:01:20pandrewlinuxstb_: i hope it's not looking for something different then this...
15:01:48linuxstb_pandrew: That would be a question for IPL people, not us. All the RB bootloader does is load the kernel and run it...
15:02:13peturJdGordon: tried in the sim and got a crash
15:02:24linuxstb_pandrew: So I assume it's working fine with loader2?
15:02:25JdGordonyeah, dunno why, try it again please
15:03:01pandrewlinuxstb_: no. i actually never tryed linux with loder2 because loader2 couldn't load the original os in the first place, so i skipped it....
15:04:02Domonokybluebrother: perhaps use url.path() + url.fragment() ?
15:04:15peturJdGordon: peak hold looks ok, but peak release always crashes
15:04:23peturwill try on target too
15:04:47pandrewlinuxstb_: well, i'll go ahead and try it, just to know if it works or not...
15:04:52bluebrotherDomonoky: as far as I understood the documentation fragment is not the correct part −− it's supposed to start with a #
15:05:34bluebrotheri.e. the anchor in the document
15:05:44JdGordonpetur: i tihnk it may be a buffer overflow, but unrealted... ill fix that now
15:05:52JdGordonbe release translates correctly?
15:05:59Domonokybluebrother: you are right.. hmm.
15:06:42bluebrotherand I don't see why toEncoded() should cause problems. At least from reading the documentation
15:07:09bluebrotherthis is really annoying. Themes installation was about to work and now it seems to break even more.
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15:07:49peturpeak hold is ok
15:08:15peturJdGordon: peak release on target gives a way too long list of values (no crash)
15:08:55JdGordonok, thanks
15:09:03JdGordonI wonder when this started?
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15:09:08*JdGordon never uses these settings
15:10:02roolkupetur: instead of copying the backlight code to every plugin wouldn't it be better to do it centrally as in :"> ?
15:10:54peturyou mean for every plugin?
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15:11:50linuxstb_roolku: I don't think every plugin needs a permanent backlight.
15:12:39rasherFar from it, I'd say
15:12:43roolkulinuxstb: okay, fair enough
15:13:32*roolku is struggling to find an example plugin that doesn't
15:13:44roolkumaybe the TSR plugins?
15:13:53*petur hands roolku wavview
15:14:03JdGordonpetur: that bug is definatly unrelated :) so im going to commit and fix that tomorow hopefully
15:14:16roolkuwell, if it displays something on the screen I would like to see it
15:14:20pandrewlinuxstb_: no, the same happens with loader2
15:14:43*roolku looks at wavview
15:15:00rasherroolku: Basically any plugin that doesn't require your attention non-stop.
15:15:02Domonokybluebrother: other working fix for the 403 error problem: strip the and "http://" from the encoded url.. then it also works :-)
15:15:04peturroolku: wavview takes quite some time to load and process the file (if it is a large one) and doesn need backlight then
15:16:41roolkurasher: I suppose it depends on how you use it, but I don't usually run plugins and then not look at them
15:17:05roolkupetur: okay, does it turn the backlight on when it is done....
15:17:15*roolku hasn't got a wav file handy
15:17:26linuxstb_roolku: Also, not all targets need the backlight on - they're perfectly readable without it.
15:18:02roolkulinuxstb: good point, but the same would apply to petur's commit>?
15:18:21bluebrotherDomonoky: can you tell what file it tries to download when you get the 403?
15:18:37rasherroolku: I often run sudoku and put it away for a bit when I get frustrated with it or if I get interrupted
15:19:07bluebrotherI tried outputting the url and it looks fine here.
15:19:31linuxstb_roolku: But I agree that it would be good to find a nice solution to the backlight-in-plugins issue. I just don't think it's obvious...
15:19:33roolkurasher: that is what I mean with how you use it. I would save and resume later. I find it more annoying if I am finding a solution and the screen gets dark
15:19:34linuxstb_(or easy)
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15:19:59roolkurasher: ..because i haven't pressed a key in a while
15:20:03Domonokybluebrother: yes the url looks fine, but the difference between the uril and url.path is not only the queryitems.. path is also relativ to the host..
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15:20:51Domonokyso the url is something like: and the path is only /bla/
15:21:12roolkulinuxstb: a manual override perhaps, but we don't have enough buttons for that one.
15:22:21*bluebrother found another possible segfault
15:22:33bluebrotherI'm wondering why it didn't segfault yesterday.
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15:24:55bluebrotherI shouldn't debug output invalid data especially if I'm calling methods on that object ...
15:25:30Domonokybluebrother: :-) true..
15:26:41Domonokybluebrother: if i remove the http.close call at the end of the getfile function.. the doom download finished successfull.. it seams the close request is to early in the queue..
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15:28:27bluebrotherDomonoky: I just committed a fix. At least I hope it fixes it ;-)
15:28:42bluebrotherbut trying on my virtual windows box looked fine.
15:33:43Domonokybluebrother: fo that didnt fix those problems
15:33:49Domonokyfor me
15:34:11bluebrotheris there something special with your network setup?
15:34:50Domonokyno, pretty normal.. i am connected to the inet via a route..
15:35:18Domonokybut my fix works.. :-)
15:35:22*bluebrother scratches head
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15:39:23Domonokybluebrother: should i commit my fix, and you try if it works for you and for the themes ?
15:40:53bluebrotherhmm. Have you tried url.toString() instead of url.toEncoded?
15:41:06B4gderdoesn't the http class have a verbose mode or something that displays what it does or attempts to do?
15:42:10bluebrotherstrictly speaking we don't need to convert the url to encoded −− we don't have anything that needs to get encoded
15:42:26Domonokybluebrother: i tried it now.. but doesnt work.. error "wrong content lenght"
15:42:51bluebrotherthis is getting really strange ...
15:43:14Domonokybluebrother: it only works for me, if i strip the host and the "http://" so it looks like what you get from url.path()
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15:47:28*bluebrother got an idea
15:47:51bluebrotherhow about removing the line http.setHost()? Does this make a difference?
15:48:58bluebrotherhmpf. Now I get a "No server to connect to".
15:49:00Domonokyother error message: "No server set to connect to, Please check.. "
15:49:37bluebrotherok, then let's strip the first part of the url
15:50:37Domonokyjep.. and we have to move/ remove the http.close() call at the end of getFile()..
15:51:15*B4gder coughs and accidentally mentions libcurl... :-)
15:51:37bluebrotherhmm −− why do we need to remove that?
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15:51:57*Domonoky invites Bagder to use libCurl in rbutil :-)
15:52:26B4gderthe downside is a slightly larger bin file of course
15:52:51rasherAnd another build-dep
15:53:08B4gderI'm not seriously suggesting it
15:53:09Domonokybluebrother: if i have the call there, the downloading of the doomfile stops at 100% and never emits the done signal. ( the debug messages tells me, that it closes the connection to early..
15:53:14rasherSpeaking of, maybe I should have a go at Debian packaging for rbutilqt
15:53:38rasherShould be easier, now that it builds without external deps
15:53:51rasher(compared to the wx version, that is)
15:54:22rasherI remember seeing someone talking about packaging it.. now where was it
15:54:26Domonokyyes, qt packages are hopefully aviable for all distros :-)
15:54:54*bluebrother will do a fedora rpm eventually
15:55:25rasherAh yes,
15:56:17rasherI believe he's both debian and ubuntu developer
15:56:26bluebrotherinteresting: "... which is a C/wxwidgets program" <−− never knew it's c ;-)
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16:00:38rasherInteresting quote there: "I think I'll wait for the iRony installer to become more mature before attemting to use it. I am not knowledgeble in both Python and RockBox but am very interested in free-ing up my iPod."
16:00:46rasherMaybe he could just read the manual
16:01:13B4gder... "and I can't be bother to read anything" (fills in the missing piece)
16:01:31*B4gder can't type properly though
16:04:12*bluebrother wonders if he's missing a QUrl::queryString()
16:04:52nerochiarosaratoga: i've put online the stand alone decoder program i was talking about yesterday, if you're still interested
16:05:14dionoeaCan the iPod's original firmware act as USB host?
16:07:29dionoeahum ... weird. The firmware mentions the "DCIM/" string several times. Isn't that where they store pictures on cameras?
16:09:13rasherIt is (
16:09:41rasherMaybe they use something like it for storing photos on the ipod?
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16:10:30dionoeayeah ... i guess so.
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16:15:38bluebrotherDomonoky: another fix committed ...
16:15:48*bluebrother crosses fingers
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16:18:42saratoganerochiaro: yes i'm interested
16:18:45saratogawhats the link?
16:19:03nerochiarosaratoga: links to libraries and the app
16:19:04Domonokybluebrother: normal downloading works.. :-)
16:19:51Domonokybut i still need to remove the http.close(); to get the doomfile install working..
16:21:27*Domonoky commited reworked bootloader installation.. :-)
16:21:44*pondlife spots rasher's commit from earlier...
16:23:00bluebrotherI still don't get why doom downloading doesn't finish
16:23:13bluebrotherI have something similar for the themes though ...
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16:23:52rasherpondlife: it shouldn't matter, actually - voicefile built fine here, even before the commit
16:23:52Domonokybluebrother: is also dont know why, it uses the same code as font installing, and that is working.. but if i remove the http.close everthing is fine :-)
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16:25:17Domonokybluebrother: somehow the qhttp object doesnt emit the done signal.. and if you look for the states, it is closing before it is finished with the second request..
16:25:22pondliferasher: I could build voice files correctly, but Bagder's perl script didn't work.
16:25:27nerochiarosaratoga: let me know if you see something wrong in that please
16:25:47rasherpondlife: Then I think it's time to blame Bagder
16:25:47pondliferasher: And no pooling took place for multiple build dirs.
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16:26:04pondlifeNo, it's probably my use of his script...
16:26:15rasherMy voice-file built fine, using a POOL
16:26:25pondlifeI never used a POOL before
16:27:34B4gderthat script is exactly what ran on the server
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16:27:48B4gderlemme commit my latest
16:28:27B4gdernow, get the updated one
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16:28:41B4gderthe echo line for configure changed
16:29:09B4gderthe one I commited now is exactly what runs on the server now daily
16:29:16amiconnrasher: The voice build scripts do call an init script and an exit script. It shouldn't be difficult to turn the init script into a sapi clip generation server, and make the exit script kill it
16:29:23bluebrotherDomonoky: hmm, the same helps for my themes issue. Maybe it's related to the time the server needs to respond?
16:29:37saratoganerochiaro: am i supposed to use those diffs?
16:29:44amiconnCould be done either in perl or vbscript, but I'd prefer the latter because it has less dependencies
16:29:44cracksI wanna ask some things bout scrobbler.log L field and Ketama, may i proceed?
16:29:59bluebrotherfunnily that http.close() is copied from Qt's http example :o
16:30:12LinusNcracks: permission granted - go ahead :-)
16:30:16amiconn(doing it in perl requires Activestate perl afaik, while the scripting host is included on any modern windows)
16:30:25rasheramiconn: that's what I was thinking
16:30:26*pondlife creates /home/dast/rockbox-voices/voice-pool..
16:30:37pondlifedast ~ Bagder, right?
16:30:58LinusNDAniel STenberg
16:31:01pondlifeB4gder: Where's the updated script?
16:31:05cracksThe 1st question is, the S in the log doesn´t work right!?
16:31:56nerochiarosaratoga: you need to checkout from SVN these directories i liked to get the sources
16:32:41cracks2nd qustion, why the scrobbler.log has L as field?
16:32:42nerochiarosaratoga: libasf and libwma are not meant to be built outside of the neuros env, so you probably need to tweak a bit the makefiles. should be pretty simple though
16:33:21nerochiarosaratoga: the decoder app itself is just a simple program that calls into both libraires, as you can see
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16:35:34pondlifeNope, still not doing something right.
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16:37:37cracks3rd Do scrobbling has any effect on stations without the ban love or skip?
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16:41:37LinusNcracks: you mean S == Skipped and L == Listened?
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16:45:33pondliferasher: I'm getting an error for each voice clip: "cp: cannot stat `/home/dast/rockbox-voices/voice-pool/24f1388f0b3ea2ef1ea4dda24a
16:45:33pondlife0a75ae-english.mp3': No such file or directory"
16:46:01{Francesco}Hi, can you help me with my winpod 5th gen? I have a very very big problem, please
16:47:13rasherpondlife: then I suppose the encoding fails for some reason
16:47:19bluebrotherDomonoky: gotta run right now −− I'll try to get this sorted out tonight.
16:47:53pondliferasher: Hmm, will debug further
16:49:02rasherpondlife: the script overwrites PATH. That's probably the problem
16:49:18pondlifeUrgh, bye bye LAME
16:49:51pondlifeI can certainly do a "make voice" manually ok, using the config left behind by the script
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16:50:23rasherUnless lame is in /usr/local/bin, that's your problem
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16:56:07amiconnThe manual feature definitions seem to be wrong, e.g. the 1st/2nd gen manual includes the clock plugin
16:57:29amiconnEeek, and the ipod installation chapter needs some attention...
16:57:37amiconn"USB connection"...
16:57:51dionoeaamiconn: do you know if things they call Tasks in the iPod's OF are threads?
16:59:23pondliferasher: Nope, wasn't (just) the path... still fails if I set $POOL.
16:59:46pondlifeSeems to work ok if I don't set it though..
17:00:21pondlifePermissions, perhaps - /home/dast/... isn't my home
17:01:11pondlifeNope... I can create files in there.
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17:06:08rasherAh no, path isn't overwritten anyway, it's .=, I just read it as =
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17:07:48preglow.= is concat
17:08:01rasherYup, indeed.
17:08:44rasherpondlife: I may have just hit an even weirder problem. I get "sh: ../tools/configure: No such file or directory"
17:09:00rasherAlthough it clearly exists
17:10:31rasherah no, configure cd's all over the place
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17:11:06pondlifeI shall run without a pool for now.
17:11:27pondlifeSadly, short of time to fix it.
17:11:57rasherI'm looking into it
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17:14:27rasherpondlife: wait, did you modify the script to use sapi rather than festival?
17:15:27pondlifeIt works fine (if slowly) once I comment out the setting of $POOL
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17:17:58amiconndionoea: I don't know. Didn't even see that there is something called 'tasks'. My research is lower level than that...
17:18:31pondliferasher: What actually copies clips to the pool?
17:18:40pondlifeI only see copies out of it.
17:18:56rasherpondlife: the encoding is done into the pool
17:19:01rasheror should be, at least
17:19:23nerochiarosaratoga: i've got here a wma file that crashes the rockbox decoder (in the simulator)
17:19:27rasherdionoea: it could simply be the todo/calendar thing that ipods have (they have that, don't they?)
17:19:31nerochiarosaratoga: i'll upload somewhere
17:19:36pondlifeNope, it's done into the build directory
17:20:07pondlifeThat's how I assumed it was meant to work when I added Cygwin/SAPI support..
17:20:46rasherBut the sapi support doesn't touch encoding at all, does it?
17:20:57rasherI'm talking about wav->mp3 encoding
17:21:06saratoganerochiaro: thanks
17:21:08pondlifeAh, ok.. No that's unchanged
17:21:19saratogadid it crash for you using libasf?
17:21:35rasherpondlife: and it works, I've build (manually) a voicefile using the pool
17:22:01pondlifeWhat did you set POOL to? Bagder's default?
17:22:29rasherno just a dir I made myself
17:22:37rasherMy god, cygwin really is dog-slow
17:23:03pondlifeSlow as a dead dog
17:23:04rasherI don't think the slowness you're seeing is due to SAPI as much as cygwin
17:23:19pondlifeYes, this is (too) well known.
17:23:25nerochiarosaratoga: here it is:
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17:24:34dionoeaamiconn, rasher: Well they have loads of strings defining stuff like USBDeviceTask, USBStatusTask, USBTaskTimeTask, MP3ExampleTask, VCUpdateTask which look a lot like thread names to use in case of a crash or something like that.
17:25:01rasherdionoea: ah, yeah, that's certainly not the calendar
17:26:11dionoeaI still haven't found the "SerialRemoteTask" yet though :(
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17:27:24amiconnWell, that's probably not a separate task
17:28:51amiconnAll I found once was an exception handler, hooked to the division routine
17:28:55nerochiarosaratoga: and this one spits out garbage in the simulator, although it doesn't crash it
17:30:05*pondlife reckons Cygwin will take about 3 hours to make the daily voices (for English only) without pooling..
17:30:16pondlifeMaybe a little less.
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17:31:10dionoeaI also stumbled upon a "COP has crashed" routine :) Don't know if you can do anything but reboot the iPod once that's called :)
17:31:39saratoganerochiaro: did you try these with your asf parser?
17:31:52saratogai'm curious if it worked with them
17:34:03nerochiarosaratoga: they seem to work, except the one that spit out garbage, which does the same on my program too
17:34:38saratogaso i guess i can rule out our asf parser
17:34:44saratogathey play fine in ffmpeg too
17:34:53saratogashould be very interesting to debug
17:34:53amiconnpondlife: Uh? I would expect no more than half an hour with proper scripting - without a pool
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17:35:55amiconnIt took me less than a minute per voice with the old vbscript. That's on a laptop, with a 1st generation Pentium M 1.5GHz
17:35:55nerochiarosaratoga: let me know what you find out please. i've also got another that crash rockbox simulator. i'll test some more and upload them all to a single place
17:36:00rasheramiconn: the problem is cygwin being dog-slow
17:36:17pondlifeamiconn: This is a on a slow PC, running Cygwin and Bagder's perl script. Been running 50 mins now and about half the voice files made.
17:36:31pondlifeSlow PC = Athlon64 3000+
17:36:55ThundercloudThat ain't slow
17:36:58ThundercloudI'm running that
17:37:02rasherI guess genvoice needs to be rewritten in perl to get any kind of speed on windows
17:37:03ThundercloudNow a Pentium 2 366
17:37:05Thundercloudthat's slow :)
17:37:54pondlifeOr MakeVoices.vbs needs bringing back from the dead.
17:38:35rasherI don't think having multiple ways of building voice is a terribly good idea
17:38:45rasherThis whole fiasco has shown that all too clearly
17:38:45pondlifeNo, I was kind-of joking
17:38:55amiconnpondlife: I think it's because of the way the current script works, not because of cygwin
17:39:21amiconnAnd perl would probably not be a good idea
17:39:25rasheramiconn: no. it's terribly, terribly slow even if it doesn't have to generate the clips (re-using from pool)
17:39:58rasheramiconn: why not? it's not like it's hard to tick off perl when you install cygwin
17:40:27amiconnYeah, but the cygwin perl doesn't support the interface to use sapi object
17:40:45amiconnThat would require activestate perl, which doesn't come with windows, unlike vbscript
17:40:54rasherIt could just do what's being done now and launch a vbscript for each clip
17:41:07amiconnYeah, and that is part of the problem
17:41:13amiconnWe need a sapi server
17:41:20rasherThat's really not the issue. The issue is that running any kind of shell script is awfully slow on cygwin
17:41:36amiconnThe onld way did everything in a single vbscript, keeping the sapi engine open
17:41:38rasherSince it needs to launch many processes, which is very expensive on cygwin
17:41:52rasheramiconn: but that's not where the main slowdown is, it's cygwin itself.
17:42:21amiconnAh, you mean the master script should be converted from sh to perl. That might be an idea
17:42:28amiconncygwin itself is *not* slow
17:42:36rasherWell, launching new processes is
17:42:37amiconnIt's the windows file api that's slow
17:43:21rasherMan, just creating the list of langauges in configure takes a couple of seconds
17:44:22*petur has plenty of windows apps that use the windows api and that are *very* fast
17:44:48amiconnpetur: But those probably don't open dozens of files for each process created
17:45:16peturwhat sane program does?
17:45:47amiconnYeah, good question. That means *nix shells are insane...
17:46:33peturstill, I've had many compilers on windows, only those running in cygwin are slow
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17:47:48*amiconn recommends running ntfilmon, then compiling in other dev environment first, and in cygwin afterwards, and then compare the amount of file operations...
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17:49:45nerochiarois it normal that the rockbox simulator crashes when i enter the system|version menu ?
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17:57:48ripjackHi all. Is it possible to create a playlist of songs from different folders from within Rockbox (Gigabeat F) ? In the FAQ it only mentions playlists on the PC and I'm not exaclty sure I understand that either. Thanks
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18:00:22GodEaterripjack: this is covered in the manual
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18:07:31markunGodEater: look what you've done.. you scared him away
18:07:43pondlifeThat's GodEater's special skill.
18:07:55GodEaterapart from arm-wrestling
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18:36:38*amiconn received this defective 1st gen
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18:36:52dnanarhi all !
18:36:52*amiconn hopes that he can make it work again
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18:37:58dnanari'm looking for an US shop which sell new Cowon iAudio X 60GB or used Toshiba Gigabeat F60. Ebay seems to have nothing. Anyone knows one please ?
18:38:18dnanarCowon iAudio X5*
18:40:56dnanar(US shop or, in fact, any shop which sell in all countries)
18:41:49markundnanar: the chance of finding a F60 in a shop anywhere is very small I think
18:43:00dnanararf =(
18:43:37dnanarso a cowon iAudio X5l (or a M5 but i think this is off topic) please ? :-)
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18:44:39*Domonoky thinks the iaudio m´s are also very rare.. but its rockboxable :-)
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18:45:16webguest83austriancoder: contact me, I've used e200tool to dump the usb registers (0xc5000xxxx range) from my e250
18:45:34dnanarDomonoky: arf =((
18:45:58dnanarso just a X5 60GB please ? i do not find _anything_ with google
18:47:06Domonokyhm, x5 or x5l should be possible.. but i dont know for the us.. ( i found some german shops which have them aviable)
18:47:39dnanarcould you give me german shop address anyway please ? =)
18:49:56pondlifeHmm, can I request that the front page is restricted to 3-4 news items, so the SVN table is higher up :)
18:50:12Domonokydnanar: i found this one, dont know if this shop is good..
18:50:14pondlifeMy preference entirely, but the norm until recently.
18:50:58pondlifei.e. limit the distance between the sponsors and the SVN table
18:51:21Domonokydnanar: but it seems they only deliver in europe.
18:52:23dnanarah ok
18:52:29pondlifeAnywhere sell the Gigabeat F60 at all?
18:53:33dnanarDomonoky: but i'm wandering: can i use any 1.8" hardrive in the cowon ? is the hardrive difficult to replace ?
18:54:46dnanarand, just another question : the only difference between X5V/X5 is that X5V has not a radio ?
18:54:50Domonokydnanar: only if the drive has the right connector, and fits size wise..
18:55:27markundnanar: some info
18:56:55dnanarmarkun & Domonoky: ok thanks
18:57:07dnanarand... is X5V supported by rockbox ?
18:57:13amiconnLooks like it's just the HDD, like I already suspected :)
18:58:08Domonokydnanar: yes, all x and m´s are rockboxable :-)
18:59:18Domonokydnanar: also has some iaudios in the market place.. but i saw only 20 and 30 gig versions..
19:00:04*pondlife 's PC finished building voice files - a tiny bit less than 2 hours in total :)
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19:00:12dnanarok thanks for the infos
19:00:36pixelmadnanar: correct about the X5V... and it is supported by rockbox (even though the "no radio" detection is broken at the moment) - about the HDs: the X5L models have a second battery pack which takes space so that they come with a single platter drive. Or you can have a dual platter one without the extra battery (that's the 60GB models)
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19:01:10dnanarand... in the rockbox wiki page, X5V harddrive is not precised. is it the same as X5 ?
19:01:15dnanarpixelma: ahh ok thanks
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19:02:00dnanarso, i could buy a Cowon iAudio X5V then a MK6006GAH to have 60GB, right ?
19:02:49*amiconn just booted rockbox on that 1st gen :D
19:03:08amiconn(with the disk from one of the 2nd gens swapped in)
19:03:26amiconnWheel doesn't work yet, as expected
19:03:39amiconn(need to add the enable, already commented in the code)
19:03:57*alienbiker99 wants a cf card or working hd so i can make my 4gen ipod work
19:03:59pixelmashould be - the X5s come in two different thick shells: the thinner one for the "normal" X5s with single platter HDs (20 or 30GBs) or a thicker shell which either is an X5L (say larger battery) also with a single platter one - or the 60GB dual platter models
19:04:38Domonokynow the question is, is the x5v a version with bigger shell, or not ? :-)
19:05:31Domonokybecause the MK..GAH is dual plattern i think, so 8mm thick..
19:05:39amiconnThe X5V only comes with the thin shell afaik
19:06:04Domonokythen dnanars plan doesnt work :-)
19:06:17amiconn(because it's the el cheapo version of the X5 - wouldn't make sense with an expensive harddrive)
19:06:18pixelmadnanar: so you probably won't fit an 60GB drive in the X5V model, Domonoky's question would have to be answered - don't know that
19:07:39pixelmaDomonoky: now, if there were ZIF adapters to connect the modern 60GB single platter drives...
19:08:55dnanarso i need a X5L player to use a 60GB hdd ?
19:10:46pixelmathere are X5s with 60GB (factory made)
19:12:47pixelmabuying an X5L and then replacing the hdd and take out the extra battery sounds a bit complicated to me
19:13:03amiconnYeah, just buying an X5 60GB would be easier
19:14:18pixelmadnanar: unless maybe you already have the replacement drive and it would just collect dust otherwise and the X5L is cheaper or easier to get?
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19:27:53amiconnWee, the 1st gen is now playing music :D (after making the wheel work)
19:28:47amiconnBattery doesn't read properly though. ADC driver seems to work like it should, but scale is different
19:29:01amiconn6.34V simply can't be true ;)
19:30:36amiconnSo, the simple BATTERY_SCALE_FACTOR mechanism breaks on 1st/2nd gen port
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19:33:20dnanarpixelma: i don't understand what you wrote. I mean, do you know where i can buy a X5 with 60GB ?
19:33:48amiconnThe plain X5 (not L, not V), comes in 20, 30 and 60 GB versions
19:34:12amiconnThe X5L only comes as 20 or 30GB, and the X5V as 20GB only
19:34:27dnanaryes, ok, but where to get it the X5 80GB ? thats the problem =(
19:34:41amiconnThe X5 60GB is the same thickness as the X5L
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19:34:59amiconnThere is no such model
19:35:26dnanaroops i meant 60GB
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19:36:10dnanarok, ive understood all this, but what i dont success, is to find a iaudio X5 (not L or V) with 60GB ?
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19:42:11dnanaranyone know a shop please ? :-)
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19:53:10DerPapsthi there :)
19:53:20peturgood morning ;)
19:53:34amiconnhi petur
19:54:46amiconnpetur: It shouldn't be necessary to put (simple) backlight code in plugins into #ifdef HAVE_BACKLIGHT
19:55:20peturit was in the plugins
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19:55:54amiconnThis is because the only target which comes stock without backlight is the Ondio, and since backlight is prepared on the PCB, it's relatively easy to mod it
19:56:12peturI was even planning to ifdef the whole thing, and repace the functions with an empty define on targets without
19:56:33peturstill, it doesn't harm...
19:56:47amiconnSo we decided to leave the backlight setup functions in the core (as dummy functions) in order to ensure api compatibility between plain SVN and backlight-enabled builds
19:57:26amiconnOf course all the settings are ifdefed, so the normal user won't get presented with a bunch of useless backlight options
19:57:35amiconn(and also to make the core smaller)
19:57:41peturok, but the code can stay like it is now, not?
19:58:19amiconnIt can, it's just a tiny bit more cumbersome for a user with a backlight modded Ondio (which are just 2 afaik)
19:58:47peturcan't those just build with HAVE_BACKLIGHT?
19:58:55*pixelma hasn't tried yet
19:59:07peturthey have to build their own anyway
19:59:12amiconnBut it's for when you don't want to replace all plugins everytime, but just the core
19:59:30amiconnWriting to the Ondio is sloo-ooow, especially from windows
19:59:43peturok, I'll put the ifdefs in comment then
20:00:03amiconnAs mentioned, it's a very minor thing...
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20:00:39amiconnThe 2 users with a backlight modded Ondio I know are [IDC]Dragon and pixelma
20:01:13pixelmaand XavierGr has a half-modded one (don't know if he really uses it though)
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20:05:20*amiconn wonders whether he should send a separate 'ladies and gentlemen' mail for the 1st gen
20:05:33amiconnIt was dead simple in fact. Just the wheel enable....
20:05:42peturgo go go
20:05:44amiconnAnd the battery readout needs fixing
20:05:52amiconnBut that's no biggie either
20:06:09DerPapstyou have recieved it today?
20:07:26amiconnThe defective one, and it was just the hdd as I suspected
20:07:45DerPapstnice :)
20:07:48amiconnSince I also got that extra 2nd gen, the fix was simple - just swap in that hdd
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20:07:56linuxstbamiconn: You only have three ipods left - the two shuffles and the 2nd gen Nano... ;)
20:08:19amiconnI even didn't need to install the bootloader this way - it was already there :)
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20:08:36alienbiker99i can just see it now, rockbox on the shuffle =P
20:08:44pixelmalinuxstb: he'll do that after your Elio and AV300 port :P
20:08:49amiconnlinuxstb: 1st gen shuffle isn't supported by gcc. And nobody knows how to run code on 2nd gen shuffle and 2nd gen nano
20:08:53*linuxstb shuts up again...
20:08:55amiconnalienbiker99: Voice ui...
20:09:22*alienbiker99 joins linuxstb in shutting up
20:09:36amiconnOf course most plugins wouldn't make sense, but you would no longer be limited to "in order or shuffle"
20:09:51amiconnAll the standard rockbox playlist features would be available
20:10:05linuxstbPlus the different codec support...
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20:10:24amiconnHmm, a shuffle port would probably profit most from TTS support
20:10:52linuxstbThat SoC projects seems to be literally silent unfortunately...
20:11:02*amiconn will *eventually* also make an iAudio M3 port - let's see...
20:11:43*amiconn wonders whether someone already counted which contributor did how many ports, and who would be the top porter...
20:11:51desowinI'm just hoping that austriancoder will finish his SoC project
20:12:07amiconnWill be a little difficult if a target has more than one person working on the initial port
20:12:43*preglow only has nano
20:12:44*amiconn already did 5 ihrc
20:13:24DerPapstdo you count G1 and G2 seperat?
20:13:44amiconnyes... probably a bit of cheating...
20:14:01DerPapsthehe ;)
20:14:16*DerPapst votes for 4 1/2 then
20:14:53Domonokywe need to set up a prize for the first one who has ported 10 Targets :-)
20:15:25*amiconn did the Ondio SP (shared effort with [IDC]Dragon doing the Ondio FM), iPod Mini G2, iAudio M5, iPod 1st/2nd gen
20:15:26linuxstbSo who gets the credit for the h1x0 port?
20:15:39linuxstbI guess LinusN for the low-level stuff?
20:15:45pixelmaand the Mini and M5 ports were also not starting something _entirely_ different, like the gigabeat port or something
20:16:17bluebrotherhmm, will this include porting rbutil?
20:16:29linuxstbbluebrother: Once it runs on DAPs, yes...
20:16:40bluebrotherdang. No points for me then ...
20:17:02peturamiconn: which ondio doesn't have backlight?
20:17:03amiconnHehe, a dap running rockbox that can install rockbox on other daps...
20:17:19pixelmapetur: all stock Ondios...
20:17:34bluebrotherDomonoky: have you noticed that you can use newlines in the lists?
20:17:35Domonokyif we have usb host, i could be possible.. *hehe*
20:17:36desowinlinuxstb: does laptop count as DAP? ;-)
20:17:38amiconnpetur: Both, but both can be modded the same way (same mainboard)
20:17:58bluebrotheris quite nice imo for longer information like the manual flashing instructions on irivers
20:18:04amiconnDomonoky: Yes, or firewire on many ipods
20:18:14Domonokybluebrother: ah newlines work in the progresslist ? thats nice :-)
20:18:50bluebrotherI just haven't got html tags getting recognized. That would be nice too (and I guess it's possible −− at least, Qt is some kind of beast ;-)
20:19:09amiconnOf the mentioned ports, iAudio M5 and Mini G2 were the easiest
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20:25:15alienbiker99didnt you also help get the ipod video 64mb working?
20:26:02rasherHuh.. can't I check out a specific file with svn?
20:26:47bluebrothercan't you use the file as argument?
20:27:00alienbiker99are the targets on the current build page arranged in any order?
20:27:24rasher The answer seems to be no. Infuriating.
20:27:38bluebrotheralienbiker99: yes, by manufacturer
20:29:46alienbiker99why are the irvier h10s out of place?
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20:31:44webguest83petur: I'm trying out austriancoder's latest try, "mrh_try7.patch".. i have a few comments
20:31:51*petur hopes amiconn is happy now...
20:32:06peturhey webguest83! How are you?
20:32:12peturlong time no see
20:32:15webguest83petur: 1) the timer in MrH usb code was replaced with some timer−− thing
20:32:24petur1) I know
20:32:54webguest83petur: 2) he uses usb_handle_reset() in case of USB_BUS_RESET, which is not something MrH code does
20:33:28webguest83petur: 3) I get wierd compiler warnings on his "struct confdata confdata" initialization
20:33:51PaulJamHi, does someone know if the non working bootloader USB mode on h300 is a sign of faulty hardware. i've never had this problem in the past but since a few days it doesn't work anymore. (maybe this is related to the screw that i had lying around in the player causing random shutdowns?)
20:34:47webguest83peutr: even since it looks good (even after I added the missing ".conf.iConfiguration = 0 "and ".iface.iInterface = 0"
20:35:06DerPapstPaulJam: is the bootloader stored on the hdd? if so maybe the hdd is just corrupted.
20:35:33peturDerpapst read that line you wrote...
20:35:38PaulJamDerPapst: no, the bootloader is in flash on hxxx targets
20:35:44webguest83drivers/arcotg_udc.c:199: warning: missing initializer
20:35:53webguest83drivers/arcotg_udc.c:199: warning: (near initialization for 'confdata.conf.bDescriptorType')
20:36:14DerPapstpetur: what was wrong? i'm only familiar with iPods...
20:36:39peturhe wasn't asking about ipod...
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20:36:58DerPapsti know. but other daps have their bootloader on the hdd too
20:37:07dnanarjust a little question please: using rockbox, is there any difference on audio quality between apple ipod 5G and cowon iaudio X5 please ?
20:37:20peturPaulJam: I think the bootloader in SVN has this broken USB mode fixed
20:37:27*DerPapst just wanted to be helpfull :-/
20:37:31peturwebguest83: I'll have a look
20:37:41webguest83petur: I have used e200tool to make a USB register dump, which I heard that he was interesting in
20:37:50*petur pats DerPapst on the back
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20:42:34alienbiker99ii hope my refurb e250 isnt crap =\
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20:45:39peturwebguest83: can you put that dump somewhere? maybe the usb wiki page?
20:46:05*amiconn wonders what's the best place for a battery voltage reading function
20:46:29amiconnIn target tree, but power-<target>.c or adc-<target>.c ?
20:47:15DerPapstwouldn't suspend be implemented in power-<target>.c?
20:47:19amiconnThis can't be handled by a simple BATTERY_SCALE_FACTOR anymore because of the 1st/2nd gen. For other targets, not much will change, only code will get moved around
20:49:12amiconnNo. The handling will be put into powermgmt.c, and the suspend function itself will most probably be a separate module
20:50:14webguest83petur: yes, hold on
20:51:07DerPapstthen i think adc...c
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20:59:25amiconnHmm, there's another problem: Should I really keep scaling to microvolt first?
21:00:16amiconnThe powermgmt code converts to centivolt, but uses the microvolt internally for its exponential averaging
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21:08:27amiconnShould we switch to using millivol all over?
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21:18:25*petur votes for millivolt
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21:26:06smailcould someone help me concerning the arm-elf-gcc ?
21:27:08Domonokysmail: just ask your question.. no need to ask t ask :-)
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21:30:09smaili have an error with ./
21:30:34smail../../gcc-4.0.3/gcc/simplify-rtx.c: In function ‘simplify_unary_operation’:
21:30:57linuxstbsmail: What's your OS?
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21:31:00smail../../gcc-4.0.3/gcc/simplify-rtx.c:365: internal compiler error: segmentation error
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21:31:16smaildebian etch
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21:32:26smailkernel version 2.6.18-4-k7
21:35:09linuxstbI can't help - I can't recall anyone reporting that error before... What's your host gcc version?
21:36:32fxbgcc-4.0.3 ?
21:38:03smaili got the gcc-4.1.2 already installed on the system
21:38:44linuxstbThat's what I used (I think...). The current version I have installed is "gcc (GCC) 4.1.3 20070601 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.2-12)"
21:39:03*DerPapst used gcc-3.4.3 to run
21:39:10DerPapstcygwin ;)
21:39:42smailwhat i'm supposed to do then ?
21:41:35*dandin1 tends an ear to the crickets.
21:42:28dandin1Seems like you've hit an undescriptive error.
21:42:31dandin1Try building an earlier version to see what happens?
21:42:33linuxstbsmail: It's not really a rockbox-specific issue - just downloads the gcc source, runs the configure script appropriately, then runs make.
21:42:53smaili see
21:43:01dandin1Oh, sorry. I didn't see the begenning. *goes back into his hole*
21:43:12linuxstbYou could try compiling it manually (see the CrossCompiler wiki page), and maybe see if you can seek support from the gcc people if you get the same problem.
21:44:03smailthank you for the advice
21:44:16linuxstbBut stick around - maybe someone will read your problem in the logs and answer later...
21:44:26smaili will
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22:19:44Bagderbluebrother: 302 is also a valid redirect
22:20:52bluebrotheroh? Seems the page I was looking it up lied to me ;-)
22:20:52bluebrotherwell, quick fix :)
22:21:25Bagder Note: Many pre-HTTP/1.1 user agents do not understand the 303
22:21:25Bagder status. When interoperability with such clients is a concern, the
22:21:29Bagder 302 status code may be used instead, since most user agents react
22:21:30Bagder to a 302 response as described here for 303.
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22:24:50jbithey :)
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22:27:51webguest83petur: here's the usb dump:
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22:29:03peturwebguest83: thanks!
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22:30:18*petur goes looking for a tool to unpack rar
22:30:25*low_light has the c200 bootloader running in the sansa emulator with the display working
22:30:48low_lightruns up to "insert usb"
22:30:53jbitNeovanglist: yo :)
22:31:08Bagderlow_light: rocking!
22:31:38Bagderpetur: unrar
22:31:44Bagder(in debian)
22:31:48linuxstbWhat's the difference between the c200 and e200 ? Looking at the list of features they seem very similar..
22:31:55linuxstbpetur: One moment and I'll give you a zip...
22:32:11*petur does the apt-get dance
22:32:13Bagderthe c200 has a PP5021 something
22:32:15low_lightlinuxstb: size
22:32:21Bagderwith an external ams chip
22:32:27*petur stops dancing
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22:33:07linuxstbAnyone know if the c200 intended to replace the e200?
22:33:12low_lighttoni should clean up the emulator and put it in svn. It's been a lifesaver.
22:33:21DerPapstah.. linuxtb was faster :P
22:33:22peturlinuxstb: thanks
22:33:36Bagderlinuxstb: I don't think so, I think it is smaller and just meant as a little brother
22:33:49linuxstbIt also seems more expensive...
22:34:34linuxstbMaybe not...
22:34:51low_lightI got two c250's on for $15 (with cables) one for $5
22:35:06low_lighttoo hard to resist :)
22:35:12alienbiker99i think the e200 replaced the c200
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22:35:35low_lightthe c200 replaced the c100 ;)
22:38:12n1shaha, a 2gb c200 costs a whole 4 SEK (about 50 US cents) less than a 2gb e200 here :-)
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22:42:10*petur is impressed by the work webguest83 put into this
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22:46:36webguest83petur: thanks, just want to help the usb effort
22:47:02peturwebguest83: you are thanked. drop in more ;)
22:48:53webguest83petur: hm.. now I'm going to make a similar register dump in rockbox when austriancoders code is going to send usb packets
22:48:54amiconnGoing millivolt will require changing lots of places :/
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22:54:55amiconnThere's another tiny difference between between 1st and 2nd gen hardware - the 2nd gen backlight has a built-in short fade-out
22:55:10amiconn(but that's not very useful due to the backlight inversion)
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23:01:55linuxstbmarkun: Can you work out the license for aones? ljgp32 doesn't seem to have any license at all - just an "all rights reserved" header in the source (or no headers at all...).
23:06:35n1sanyone familiar with the peak meter code? or a serious user?
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23:07:16viss_this is the same #rockbox that throws these logs, yes?:
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23:08:17viss_you guys have been linking a TON of my stuff in here
23:08:21viss_(thats a good t hing)
23:08:24viss_i was gonna say
23:08:42Bagderyour stuff being... ?
23:08:43viss_if any of you guys have flickr accounts (there are free versions available) please add tags and whatnot to the pictures you guys find
23:09:09viss_all the lost box pictures, all the links to, and some closing ceremony pictures
23:09:44viss_but yeah, im sort of trying to crowdsource some of the efforts as I have something like 500 pictures from defcon15 ;b
23:09:46Bagderwe link a ton of stuff everywhere
23:09:48*DerPapst spots a rockbox logo
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23:10:10BagderDerPapst: yeah, that's the main reason we started watching those pics
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23:11:07viss_which one is he?
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23:11:16Bagderhe's the one with the rockbox shirt
23:12:17viss_i see
23:12:47*pixelma discovered en even nicer pic of scorche... =)
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23:13:00viss_well, in either case, i encourage people to tag the photos
23:13:04viss_itll make them easier to find in the future ;b
23:13:16viss_speaking of which, while im on flickr, i need to tag all the minibosses pictures.
23:13:29Bagderwe don't need tags now when we have the urls in the log already ;-)
23:13:36DerPapstpixelma: which?
23:14:23viss_whatever you guys want ;b
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23:14:38viss_i just wanted to tell you folks that the pictures are open to be tagged publically
23:14:50viss_meaning you dont have to friend me to add a tag to say, a picture where you see yourself
23:16:36viss_anyway, thanks again for the inbound links :)
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23:25:06webguest57is there an auto installer for rockbox?
23:25:57bluebrotherwe have Rockbox Utility but that is still in the works
23:27:15webguest57does the winstaller work?
23:27:30bluebrotherwinstaller? What winstaller=
23:27:59webguest57the windows rockbox utility
23:28:17bluebrotherwell, it runs.
23:28:25DerPapstwebguest57: what player do you have?
23:28:36bluebrotherit _does_ something. It just isn't finished yet.
23:28:43bluebrotherand it's quite safe to try yourself ...
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23:28:50webguest575.5g ipod
23:29:00DerPapstthen i recommend the manual
23:29:18DerPapstinstallation on ipods is fairly easy
23:29:31DerPapstand whatever you do you can't brick your iPod
23:29:39webguest57do you know where I can find a simple guide?
23:29:49DerPapstin the manual
23:30:02bluebrotherthe manual is recommended in any case
23:30:23DerPapsta link is on the left navigation bar
23:31:00bluebrotheras it is important to get the idea behind Rockbox' interface.
23:32:25*n1s looks in docs/MAINTAINERS
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23:32:56bluebrotherhmm, seems I haven't broken anything new ...
23:33:01webguest57Looks like I don't have Adobe Reader :S
23:33:13DerPapstuse the html version then
23:33:14linuxstbYou don't need it - view the manual online (in html)
23:33:42n1shmm, peakmeters aren't even mentioned, seems LinusN did a lot of it but he's not here...
23:33:45webguest57i know, but with my internet connection, i want the pdf lol
23:34:08DerPapstwhatever ;)
23:34:14linuxstbYou can download a zip file with the html...
23:34:22*bluebrother wonders what's so funny about a slow internet connection
23:34:36webguest57its not slow, i have a crappy router
23:34:41DerPapstmaybe that it still exists?
23:35:06bluebrotherlinuxstb: that's too easy *g*
23:36:01DerPapstand the modem is that kind of thing where you put your phone on... and then they talk inary to each other ;)
23:36:29DerPapst*binary even
23:36:33bluebrothertalking modems? wow :D
23:36:54homielowehello may I have some wiki write access (EricLowe)
23:36:57webguest57WRT300N at 130Mbps, $200, and it can't even take a little interference
23:37:25webguest57normally my speend is like 270Mbps
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23:38:17bluebrotherhomielowe: done.
23:38:31homielowebluebrother: thanks :p
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23:42:56webguest57whats a good build to use? the current build?
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23:44:38webguest57wich one do i pick for my 30gb 5.5g?
23:44:52DerPapstipod video build
23:44:55linuxstbwebguest57: Read the manual...
23:44:58DerPapstnot the 64MB one
23:46:10*linuxstb notices Bagder has exactly 10000 commits according to ohloh - congratulations!
23:46:21*Bagder bows
23:46:25Bagdera pretty number
23:46:45linuxstbAnd 16 kudos, another pretty number
23:46:50rasherI added a warning about not using the 64mb build on 30gb ipod video to the manual. Don't know if I worded it right
23:47:03Bagdersounds like a good idea
23:47:11linuxstbWas the idea of calling them 30GB and 60/80GB builds rejected?
23:47:39DerPapsthopefully not
23:47:51rasherlinuxstb: I don't see why it should be, but there seemed to be at least some resistance
23:47:56BagderI wonder if I managed to undo that naming
23:47:57rasherI put the warning in for now
23:48:07Bagderwhen we moved servers
23:48:10linuxstbIt's technically wrong to call them that, but it's probably far less confusing.
23:48:53linuxstbBagder: Ah, so they were called that at one point?
23:49:13rasherI agree. The fact that you can run the 32mb build on 60/80gb ipods is mostly academical
23:49:14Bagderyes, I remember that I changed that at some point
23:49:29BagderI'll do the change again now
23:49:29rasherAnd anyone who knows to do this should know enough to pick the right build anyway
23:49:43*DerPapst guesses "iPod Video 60/80GB (64MB)" and "iPod Video 30GB (32MB)" are too long names.. and might be confusing as well :/
23:50:14Bagderso reload now to get a feel for it
23:50:32Bagderthis is probably a lot clearer to most users
23:51:06rasherI agree.
23:51:21linuxstbAs we're clarifiying the downloads, what about a separate download page with just that table on it?
23:51:49Bagderlike on the current download page?
23:51:54Bagderwhich has nothing atm
23:52:18linuxstbWhat page do you mean?
23:52:21Bagderhm, perhaps not as its called "releases" in the menu
23:52:21rasherLike the manual page?
23:52:22 Quit davina (Remote closed the connection)
23:52:59rasher"Current build" could simply show the downloads, and another link for "development stats" or something
23:53:13linuxstbI guess something like daily.shtml, but with the table from
23:53:18linuxstbs/table/download table/
23:53:35Bagderor I just change the order on the build page...
23:53:45rasherGood idea
23:54:13linuxstbI think it would nicer for users to not see the dev stuff - keep the download page clean and simple.
23:54:54 Quit dnanar ("leaving")
23:56:20amiconnHmm, do we want the voltage displayed with 3 decimals in user screens?
23:56:46amiconnI guess that would fake a precision that doesn't really exist....
23:57:13 Quit jgarvey_ ("Leaving")
23:57:17*bluebrother does the themes-installation-commited dance
23:57:18pixelmait's a bit odd that the 2 Ipod Video builds are on two rows, I think it would be nicer and even less confusing to see them side by side
23:57:26bluebrothernow let's see what I broke ;-)
23:58:31linuxstbpixelma: True. The two H10 builds could be moved before the ipods - after the other irivers.
23:58:55amiconnThe ipods should also be sorted by generation imho

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