| 00:00:04 | amiconn | 1st/2nd, 3rd, 4th, mini, mini g2, color, nano, video - imho |
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| 00:00:20 | linuxstb | Or that... |
| 00:00:38 | amiconn | Hmm, or even put the nanos after the color |
| 00:00:42 | amiconn | The minis I mean |
| 00:00:58 | amiconn | Nah, linuxstb's order is better |
| 00:01:23 | pixelma | I think I would rather see the Minis and the Nanos seperated from the other Ipods |
| 00:01:32 | amiconn | why? |
| 00:01:43 | amiconn | Just because of the disk size? |
| 00:01:57 | DerPapst | the date where they are announced by apple is ok i thinl |
| 00:02:06 | DerPapst | which would be linuxstb's order |
| 00:02:11 | pixelma | even if it's not chronologically right, but I wouldn't expect them in the row - who knows the timeline that well? |
| 00:02:12 | amiconn | In fact linuxstb's is very close to what seems to be the internal order of development with the exception of the mini G2 |
| 00:02:47 | pixelma | I mean the Ondios could be also somewhere within the Recorders, or not? |
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| 00:03:02 | amiconn | Nope, they came later. Way later. |
| 00:03:14 | amiconn | From the lcd parameter table in the OF it looks like there was a mini with PP5002 in development |
| 00:03:32 | pixelma | anyways I just stated what I would expect, I mean they are different models |
| 00:03:34 | Bagder | taste this http://build.rockbox.org/index2.cgi |
| 00:03:44 | DerPapst | pixelma: 1st/2nd, 3rd, 4th, color, video, 1st mini, 2nd mini, nano? |
| 00:03:48 | amiconn | The archos table is chronologically correct |
| 00:04:04 | pixelma | DerPapst: yes, something like that |
| 00:04:05 | amiconn | pixelma: Well, they're all different models |
| 00:04:09 | rasher | DerPapst: that's how I'd order them. First by "size", then chronological |
| 00:04:21 | amiconn | By size? |
| 00:04:23 | pixelma | ok... different production lines or whatever |
| 00:04:35 | rasher | amiconn: "full-size ipod" "medium-size" "tiny" |
| 00:04:37 | amiconn | A mini G2 can be 6GB while a 1st/2nd gen can be 5GB |
| 00:04:44 | rasher | amiconn: physical size |
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| 00:04:54 | amiconn | hmmm |
| 00:05:05 | rasher | Product line is probably a better word |
| 00:05:15 | DerPapst | minis and nanos aren't *real* ipods :P |
| 00:05:16 | rasher | It's two words, actually. |
| 00:05:48 | DerPapst | just some striped down ones ;) |
| 00:05:58 | rasher | Bagder: why are the irivers separated? |
| 00:06:04 | * | linuxstb was about to ask that |
| 00:06:10 | pixelma | still |
| 00:06:11 | Bagder | no reason... |
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| 00:06:39 | linuxstb | Bagder: 5GB first? ;) |
| 00:07:00 | Bagder | now then |
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| 00:07:04 | Bagder | I swapped the iaudios too |
| 00:07:18 | rasher | I still vote for ordering the ipods by product line, then age |
| 00:07:29 | rasher | Not that it strictly matters, of course. |
| 00:07:33 | Bagder | I think I favour that too |
| 00:07:57 | Bagder | like now |
| 00:08:11 | linuxstb | rasher: What would your order be? |
| 00:08:16 | rasher | linuxstb: like it is now |
| 00:08:30 | * | linuxstb can't keep up... |
| 00:08:42 | Bagder | hehe, I moved the minis/nano to the end of the ipods |
| 00:08:50 | * | DerPapst can live with both |
| 00:09:05 | linuxstb | I like it as it is now (or was 5 seconds ago...) |
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| 00:09:14 | n1s | Bagder: nice, now how about that size table, tha inconsistent order always anoyyed me... :-D |
| 00:09:27 | DerPapst | hehe |
| 00:09:39 | Bagder | oh well, perhaps I'll poke on it |
| 00:09:52 | Bagder | I think I'll first get this index2 thing more official look and use |
| 00:09:59 | rasher | Without these issues solved, Rockbxo development will grind to a halt. |
| 00:10:03 | amiconn | Bagder: Eh, where? |
| 00:10:24 | bluebrother | how about starting a new row on each manufacturer? |
| 00:11:16 | Bagder | amiconn: on the site, to make it easier for non-devs to get a current build |
| 00:11:35 | amiconn | The table still looks the same to me... |
| 00:11:36 | Bagder | bluebrother: that would be many lines |
| 00:11:55 | rasher | amiconn: http://build.rockbox.org/index2.cgi |
| 00:12:28 | amiconn | ah |
| 00:12:39 | bluebrother | looks nice :) |
| 00:14:07 | pixelma | bluebrother: I don't think that's necessary - and I guess that would make it look a bit chaotic |
| 00:14:07 | amiconn | _maybe_ put the iaudios in front of the irivers? |
| 00:14:07 | Bagder | not a bad idea, as that will align the ipods better |
| 00:14:07 | amiconn | That would group cf targets together, and would make ipods start on a new row (but not end anymore) |
| 00:14:07 | Bagder | reload |
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| 00:14:49 | DerPapst | mhm :) |
| 00:14:52 | amiconn | nice :) |
| 00:14:55 | pixelma | now the 2 Mini builds are divided... |
| 00:15:00 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 00:15:26 | amiconn | But I *might* break that nice little order soon :) |
| 00:15:38 | n1s | V2 rec seems a bit out of place.... |
| 00:15:41 | Bagder | yeah, let's stop this now as things will change over time anyway |
| 00:16:01 | amiconn | n1s: eh, why? |
| 00:16:20 | DerPapst | the manual page should use this order then too |
| 00:16:45 | n1s | amiconn: it appears between gigabeats and iaudios here, maybe my page is strange? |
| 00:16:49 | Bagder | DerPapst: yes, I'll just work on this a bit more first and when it is settled I'll use the same order on all these tables |
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| 00:17:11 | amiconn | Not here... |
| 00:17:19 | amiconn | Maybe you're looking at a different page |
| 00:18:03 | DerPapst | Bagder: ok. take your time :) |
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| 00:19:32 | * | amiconn puts a millivolted rockbox build on his recv1 |
| 00:19:34 | n1s | amiconn: probably a cahche issue, I'll shut up now |
| 00:19:58 | amiconn | Let's see what I've messed up. The charging algorithm is somewhat.... complicated.... |
| 00:20:10 | pixelma | are the 2 Ipod Video "builds" necessary on the manual page? Does it need to be that consistent there? |
| 00:20:44 | DerPapst | probably not |
| 00:20:52 | amiconn | Well, *someone* should start working on the ram layout |
| 00:20:52 | DerPapst | since they are exactly the same |
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| 00:21:01 | pixelma | eh, was looking at the daily builds page, sorry |
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| 00:21:12 | * | DerPapst grabs the frist lds file |
| 00:21:20 | DerPapst | hehe# |
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| 00:21:36 | * | n1s hands DerPapst a pot of coffe |
| 00:22:10 | * | pixelma runs away from typo classes ;) |
| 00:22:28 | DerPapst | :P |
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| 00:25:00 | DerPapst | ifdef hell is indeed not an exaggeration |
| 00:25:14 | * | DerPapst is scared |
| 00:25:29 | amiconn | where? The lds files? |
| 00:25:34 | linuxstb | Bagder: I've just noticed that the Source Archive link in the current build table doesn't have a revision number - is that possible to add? |
| 00:25:34 | DerPapst | yes |
| 00:25:53 | amiconn | There are quite a few ifdefs there. Not the biggest concentration of them though |
| 00:26:06 | Bagder | linuxstb: sure is... I'll work on it |
| 00:26:28 | linuxstb | Bagder: OK. (and sorry to wake you) |
| 00:26:39 | pixelma | btw... now the Ipod Video manual is only under the heasline "Ipod Video 30GB" - some of them might think that there is a different (or none) for the other Ipods... |
| 00:26:49 | pixelma | *headline |
| 00:26:58 | petur | [00:22] * pixelma runs away from typo classes ;) |
| 00:27:10 | * | pixelma wasn't fast enough |
| 00:27:11 | Llorean | Shouldn't the headline by "iPod Video Any" for the 30gb, since it's compatible with all of them? |
| 00:27:13 | linuxstb | petur: She's obviously graduated... |
| 00:27:36 | amiconn | Llorean: 'by'? |
| 00:27:41 | Llorean | 'be' |
| 00:27:47 | Llorean | Apparently I should enroll. |
| 00:27:48 | amiconn | :P |
| 00:27:49 | linuxstb | Llorean: Or just "iPod Video" ? |
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| 00:28:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'd be happy with that too, but I thought at least the 30gb build used to be called that anyway? |
| 00:28:23 | bluebrother | anyone wants to practise typing? http://www.crazymonkeygames.com/QWERTY-Warriors-2.html :D |
| 00:28:39 | * | DerPapst notices that his typo clases are a huge success :D |
| 00:28:58 | * | bluebrother just uploaded a screenshot to the wiki |
| 00:29:24 | Bagder | pixelma: fixed |
| 00:29:50 | pixelma | nice |
| 00:31:00 | amiconn | Hmm, just one wrong voltage display in debug :) |
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| 00:37:34 | webguest57 | i extracted a theme into my .rockbox folder and it's not showing up... how do i make it show up? |
| 00:37:36 | webguest57 | lol |
| 00:37:42 | bluebrother | rotfl |
| 00:38:49 | webguest57 | ? |
| 00:38:59 | bluebrother | well, I just answered your lol ... |
| 00:39:11 | bluebrother | that was the first that popped into my mind. |
| 00:39:21 | bluebrother | lmao would have been the next. |
| 00:39:28 | pixelma | or rtfm |
| 00:39:38 | * | bluebrother is nice today :) |
| 00:39:52 | bluebrother | seriously, "it doesn't work" is _really_ a bad description. |
| 00:40:25 | bluebrother | it's lacking a bunch of details ... |
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| 00:41:29 | * | amiconn found an oold bug in the battery voltage debug delta display |
| 00:41:38 | pixelma | webguest57: maybe you'll find something in the "Browse Themes" paragraph of our nice manual, don't know exactly if that's what you are looking for |
| 00:41:54 | webguest57 | ok well i just installed rockbox fresh and i went to the themes page, downloaded a theme and extracted the folders into the .rockbox folder |
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| 00:42:13 | bluebrother | and what does the description of that theme say? What build did you install? |
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| 00:43:25 | webguest57 | the current build |
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| 00:44:25 | Febs | webguest57: which theme are you trying to use? |
| 00:44:51 | * | bluebrother already asked that and waited patiently for the answer |
| 00:45:47 | webguest57 | starryeyedsuprise |
| 00:46:16 | * | amiconn wonders whether he should create battery-<target>.c files, containing both the adc->voltage conversion and the various tables for percentage calculation |
| 00:46:22 | BigBambi | And have you selected the theme from the menu? |
| 00:46:24 | bluebrother | webguest57: what does the "Min Version" line tell you? |
| 00:46:29 | bluebrother | *sic* |
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| 00:46:48 | webguest57 | senab build? |
| 00:46:51 | amiconn | Does that make sense? |
| 00:47:03 | bluebrother | is senab build the same as current build? |
| 00:47:09 | JdGordon | amiconn: where are they now? |
| 00:47:13 | webguest57 | i dont know? |
| 00:47:26 | BigBambi | The survey says... No |
| 00:47:27 | Llorean | webguest57: No, they aren't, that's why they're named different things... |
| 00:47:29 | bluebrother | well, usually someone would assume it's not |
| 00:47:48 | amiconn | JdGordon: In powermgmt.c, and the current adc->voltage conversion is too inflexible to adapt to the combined 1st/2nd gen build |
| 00:47:59 | Febs | webguest57: The theme you want to use requires that you use a custom build. That is why it won't work with the standard current build. |
| 00:48:00 | JdGordon | then go for it... |
| 00:48:16 | amiconn | Lots of ifdefed tables there, DerPapst would like them ;) |
| 00:48:44 | bluebrother | clicking that "Senab build" link would even have had information about that ... |
| 00:49:21 | webguest57 | sorry... |
| 00:49:30 | n1s | JdGordon: thanks for fixing the STRINGCHOICE translation :-) |
| 00:50:00 | Febs | webguest57: so you have two choices. You can either choose a different theme (one that works with a standard build), or you can install the custom, unsupported build. |
| 00:50:07 | JdGordon | n1s: :) |
| 00:50:08 | n1s | I have one other menu related bug if you're interested? |
| 00:50:18 | JdGordon | put it on fs.. need to gget to uni soon |
| 00:50:25 | n1s | JdGordon: ok |
| 00:50:34 | webguest57 | where else can i download the senab build? |
| 00:50:38 | webguest57 | the link is down |
| 00:51:13 | bluebrother | all builds except the official one are unsupported. |
| 00:51:48 | bluebrother | which means we don't care. Btw, that build is heavily outdated anyway. |
| 00:52:01 | * | bluebrother suggest using a theme that works with an official build |
| 00:52:16 | webguest57 | ok |
| 00:52:19 | Febs | webguest: you can find unsupported builds here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?board=36.0 But as bluebrother mentioned, we don't provide support here for them. |
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| 00:54:51 | DerPapst | Good night everyone |
| 00:54:55 | | Quit DerPapst ("So Long And Thanks For All The Fish!") |
| 00:55:39 | webguest57 | can i have more then one theme on my ipod? |
| 00:56:23 | webguest57 | brb... |
| 00:56:30 | bluebrother | yes |
| 00:56:45 | bluebrother | you already have. There are some preinstalled ... |
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| 01:00:09 | bluebrother | night all. |
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| 01:43:09 | DWSR | hey everyone. I'm having a problem with my Rockbox install. I have the database set to auto-update, and it worked the first time I did so, but I changed some of the songs that are on my iPod (Nano 1G) and now it does not find the songs that I've added. |
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| 01:51:23 | DWSR | hey everyone. I'm having a problem with my Rockbox install. I have the database set to auto-update, and it worked the first time I did so, but I changed some of the songs that are on my iPod (Nano 1G) and now it does not find the songs that I've added. |
| 01:52:09 | krazykit | patience, man. the "i" in irc doesn't stand for instant, you know. |
| 01:52:29 | krazykit | does updating manually fix the problem? |
| 01:52:37 | krazykit | er, add the songs |
| 01:52:57 | DWSR | Manually updating what songs are on my iPod? |
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| 01:53:45 | krazykit | no, manually updating the database |
| 01:53:47 | DWSR | No. |
| 01:54:01 | DWSR | That actually reverses the situation. It only finds the stuff I added, but nothing else. |
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| 01:54:39 | krazykit | well, i can't help you much. i don't use the database at all |
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| 01:55:37 | * | petur thinks the MCIMX31 reference manual is crap (as far as USB is concerned) |
| 01:58:04 | * | amiconn hopes for green |
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| 02:01:15 | * | petur spots yet another TMS320 'port' in the wiki |
| 02:01:47 | amiconn | How can there be another? We don't even have one... |
| 02:01:56 | DWSR | lol |
| 02:01:57 | * | amiconn looks at linuxstb |
| 02:02:10 | * | amiconn whispers AV300 |
| 02:02:37 | petur | I meant as new, starting or would be port |
| 02:02:59 | aliask_uni | Pity that wiki is down though |
| 02:03:14 | amiconn | ? |
| 02:03:22 | aliask_uni | For the m:robe M500 |
| 02:03:34 | homielowe | hides |
| 02:03:54 | amiconn | Argh, red, but it wasn't me. One build server is short on diskspace... |
| 02:04:15 | amiconn | Who runs deepthought.ena.si ? |
| 02:05:06 | petur | I thought Bagder did a cleanup each time? |
| 02:05:46 | amiconn | That doesn't clean ccache of course |
| 02:05:48 | homielowe | I have been having trouble trying to find info since the initial wiki by the guy who put linux on it seems to have dissapeared+ google cache seems to hate me |
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| 02:13:05 | aliask_uni | homielowe: Have you tried emailing him? |
| 02:13:17 | petur | hmmm all those freescale USB controllers look the same... the datasheet of the MFC5329 contains a slight bit more info, still not much :/ |
| 02:13:34 | * | homielowe slaps his forehead |
| 02:17:52 | aliask_uni | homielowe: Do you have one? |
| 02:18:02 | homielowe | mrobe.fan (at) gmail.com |
| 02:18:28 | aliask_uni | As in, do you own a mr500i |
| 02:20:29 | homielowe | aliask_uni: I would dissasemble one if I had one, there is one member at another forum that is willing to mail a MR-500 to a rockbox developer for free as long as he will get it back(eventually), this member currently owns two |
| 02:24:29 | aliask_uni | It sure looks interesting, but the whole touchscreen thing would be difficult |
| 02:29:06 | homielowe | aliask_uni: shirour(the porter) had a demo running with a touchscreen driver implemented |
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| 02:36:33 | webguest57 | is there any other emus for rockbox besides rockboy and the other one that i can't recall? |
| 02:37:04 | Llorean | webguest57: Everything official is built-in and included in the manual. |
| 02:40:46 | aliask_uni | What does rockbox need from the .rockbox folder to boot? |
| 02:41:47 | Llorean | Just to boot, all it needs is rockbox.target (.ipod, .iriver, .mi4, whatever) |
| 02:41:56 | Llorean | But it won't be able to play music or do *too* terribly much without other files |
| 02:43:02 | aliask_uni | I'm thinking about tacking the rockbox.gigabeat file on to the end of the bootloader file and transferring it across, but I can't put the .rockbox directory on the hdd using this method |
| 02:44:28 | aliask_uni | Does that sound feasible? |
| 02:44:47 | Llorean | I don't know much about the player: You can only copy certain file formats to it? |
| 02:46:07 | aliask_uni | Well, any time you upgrade the firwmare using the official software, it formats the main partition - so even if I could copy files across to it, they'd be wiped. |
| 02:46:22 | Llorean | I mean, on the iPods, you don't necessarily need a bootloader, you can put the main rockbox binary (rockbox.ipod) in the right place instead. |
| 02:46:33 | Llorean | But you wouldn't be able to play music until you can get the codecs across somehow |
| 02:47:00 | aliask_uni | Yes, it'd just be for testing the main binary while we're waiting for the USB driver |
| 02:47:15 | Llorean | Then that'd probably work, yes. |
| 02:49:20 | aliask_uni | Also interestingly, the original firmware has usb msc dll's, so we might be able to get into MSC mode. No idea how though. |
| 02:50:04 | Llorean | Interesting |
| 02:50:17 | Llorean | That'd of course make things easier. |
| 02:51:06 | aliask_uni | Indeed, but I'm not much good with a disassembler so I'm a bit lost as to how to access it. |
| 02:52:27 | Llorean | Well it's somewhat possible that it's just part of WinCE distro, and use of it isn't implemented at all, really |
| 02:52:46 | aliask_uni | Quite right |
| 02:53:10 | Llorean | Is anything/much known about the USB hardware for the purpose of a separate USB driver for in the bootloader? |
| 02:53:54 | aliask_uni | Well, it's all in the datasheet |
| 02:54:08 | aliask_uni | The USB hardware is all on the CPU |
| 02:54:21 | Llorean | Well, I'm not familiar with the datasheet, and I know those can be of varying quality. ;) |
| 02:54:50 | aliask_uni | I haven't really looked into it, but I believe austriancoder is using the very same datasheet for his work |
| 02:54:54 | Llorean | Ah |
| 02:55:15 | Llorean | Ah, then hopefully you'll soon have something to work with, right? |
| 02:55:36 | aliask_uni | Yeah |
| 02:55:43 | Llorean | I mean, once you've got a bootloader USB mode, the question about the MSC dll doesn't matter too much, I think |
| 02:55:53 | aliask_uni | Anyway, I've got a lecture |
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| 04:36:58 | webguest57 | where is a good place to find doom wads? i tried that reccomened site but all the ones i've tried don't work |
| 04:37:20 | Llorean | Try googling. |
| 04:37:27 | webguest57 | i just did |
| 04:37:32 | Llorean | They're normal Doom wads, and don't really have anything to do with Rockbox other than "we play them" |
| 04:37:45 | Llorean | Just like you shouldn't ask "where's the best place to find MP3 files" or "where's the best place to find jpegs" in here. |
| 04:38:06 | webguest57 | ok |
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| 05:28:50 | mexicankiller | Hi,guys what a bad day :( |
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| 05:41:36 | saratoga | anyone who can take a look at the build server? |
| 05:43:08 | mexicankiller | what do you need? |
| 05:43:38 | saratoga | someone to make it work again |
| 05:43:52 | mexicankiller | erm |
| 05:43:59 | mexicankiller | sorry I'm the wrong person |
| 05:44:07 | saratoga | yeah i know that |
| 05:44:12 | mexicankiller | ok xD |
| 05:44:27 | saratoga | i guess i need to wait a couple hours for the europeans to wake up |
| 05:44:53 | mexicankiller | what time is there? |
| 05:45:14 | krazykit | 6 or 7 am |
| 05:45:28 | krazykit | pretty early. |
| 05:45:31 | mexicankiller | here is 10:45 pm |
| 05:47:08 | Llorean | saratoga: I wish they'd make some sort of... not publicly accessible, but available to committers, method of kicking it. |
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| 05:47:46 | saratoga2 | yeah that would be nice |
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| 05:48:06 | saratoga2 | on the upside, once that build goes through, i'm pretty sure i'll finally have the wma codec faster then ogg on ARM |
| 05:48:16 | Llorean | Nice |
| 05:48:26 | saratoga2 | coldfire is another story |
| 05:48:28 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 05:48:52 | saratoga2 | JdGordon: been meaning to ask you if the sansa LCD gets switched off when the backlight goes off? |
| 05:49:22 | JdGordon | im not sure,I tihnk it does |
| 05:49:44 | saratoga2 | yeah i think Toni made a patch for it, just wondering if it ever got in |
| 05:50:23 | JdGordon | I was playing in the backlight code a while ago and I thinki remember it turning off when the BL goes off |
| 05:50:50 | JdGordon | target/arm/sansa/sansa-e200/backlight-e200.c if you want to check.... |
| 05:51:13 | jhMikeS | it turns of the driver chip too now and has staby mode |
| 05:51:19 | jhMikeS | *standby |
| 05:52:09 | JdGordon | Llorean: you dont have access to the webclient config, do you? |
| 05:52:36 | Llorean | I would assume not, since I don't know what you're talking about. |
| 05:52:37 | Llorean | Heh |
| 05:52:45 | JdGordon | :) |
| 05:52:59 | JdGordon | I dont think#rockbox-community should be blocked |
| 05:53:12 | JdGordon | grr, this keybpard is worse than the one at home... |
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| 05:53:50 | mexicankiller | JdGordon:what happens with your keyboard? |
| 05:55:20 | JdGordon | the space is broken, i have to use too much force on it |
| 05:55:28 | JdGordon | ... it feelswrong |
| 05:55:52 | mexicankiller | erm |
| 05:56:12 | mexicankiller | throw your keyboard about 1 inch |
| 05:56:37 | JdGordon | uni might not appreciate me bhreaking their equipoment |
| 05:56:41 | mexicankiller | in the same place as it is |
| 05:57:01 | mexicankiller | it doesn't going to break |
| 05:57:16 | mexicankiller | I did that with mine and things work better |
| 05:57:37 | JdGordon | me.just.made.it.worse |
| 05:57:44 | mexicankiller | erm |
| 05:57:57 | JdGordon | and fixed |
| 05:58:01 | * | JdGordon rules! |
| 05:58:35 | mexicankiller | so did you do that? |
| 05:59:30 | JdGordon | no, pulled it out and reseated it |
| 05:59:34 | JdGordon | the space bar |
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| 06:00:22 | mexicankiller | ok |
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| 06:00:47 | JdGordon | anyone knoow what timezone nls is in? |
| 06:01:06 | mexicankiller | nls? |
| 06:01:27 | scorche | JdGordon: IrcNicks? |
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| 06:01:39 | JdGordon | TZ not listed :(] |
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| 06:19:22 | * | jhMikeS just found something very, very wrong with timer handling on pp targets |
| 06:21:34 | JdGordon | how very very wrong? |
| 06:22:07 | jhMikeS | extremely badly super wrong :P |
| 06:22:37 | JdGordon | haha, dangerous wrong? or just a stupid mistake? |
| 06:22:39 | jhMikeS | reading TIMER1_VAL from both cores |
| 06:22:50 | jhMikeS | no, dangerous |
| 06:23:14 | JdGordon | :( |
| 06:24:50 | jhMikeS | when coordinating cores for thread wakeup, it would slow to a crawl |
| 06:25:34 | JdGordon | could this be related to our cop problems? |
| 06:26:17 | jhMikeS | very well could be since reading it from the COP will cancel the interrupt for the CPU for some time |
| 06:28:49 | jhMikeS | heh, the games run so much smoother too :) |
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| 06:30:58 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: you seen 7598? |
| 06:31:04 | JdGordon | dircache for sansa :) |
| 06:31:12 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Games run smoother? Are you running things on the COP? |
| 06:31:15 | JdGordon | not that its really needed |
| 06:31:43 | jhMikeS | Llorean: just running timer ticks on the CPU only and waking the COP during the tick |
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| 06:31:54 | saratoga2 | is gcc smart enough to use the store multiple and load multiple ops on ARM? |
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| 06:32:10 | jhMikeS | sarataoga2: it does quite often |
| 06:32:24 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I agree...not much point |
| 06:32:43 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Database auto-update/removal |
| 06:32:55 | Llorean | If anything, Database should be locked on rather than off. |
| 06:32:55 | JdGordon | no, but it would be useful for future targets which may need dircache and have hotswap |
| 06:33:02 | Llorean | Err, dircache, not database |
| 06:33:14 | JdGordon | you mean default on? |
| 06:33:21 | Llorean | Locked. |
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| 06:33:28 | Llorean | Just remove the setting entirely, but with it on instead of off. |
| 06:33:35 | Llorean | Assuming there's no harm to "on" by that point |
| 06:33:44 | JdGordon | amiconn will KILL you if that happened! |
| 06:34:32 | | Part gotthardt |
| 06:34:37 | JdGordon | the dircache dependacy in database shold be removed though |
| 06:34:38 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I get a higher boost % but it could be because it sleeps more |
| 06:35:33 | jhMikeS | oh, no...I know why :P |
| 06:35:33 | JdGordon | shuoldnt more sleeping lower the %? |
| 06:35:42 | Llorean | JdGordon: He'd kill me if it was locked on just for Sansa and maybe Nano? |
| 06:35:45 | ToHellWithGA | i'm probably just missing it, but is there a "clear playlist" button? |
| 06:35:46 | Llorean | To remove any confusion? |
| 06:35:47 | jhMikeS | timers change speed with CPU frequency I think |
| 06:36:06 | ToHellWithGA | s/button/menu option/ |
| 06:36:22 | JdGordon | Llorean: oh, I thought you meant for all targets. yeah removing the option and enableing it for flash disks wouold be OK |
| 06:36:29 | JdGordon | slightly longer load time thuogh |
| 06:36:36 | scorche | ToHellWithGA: just stop playback... |
| 06:36:54 | jhMikeS | the counter during normal frequency will count off fewer ticks then |
| 06:37:25 | saratoga2 | does this COP issue affect codecs in any way? |
| 06:37:36 | JdGordon | Llorean: actually, I tihnk just changing the defaut to on would be better, (on flash targets) |
| 06:38:14 | jhMikeS | saratoga2: I hope so so they can run on it soon |
| 06:38:20 | saratoga2 | ah |
| 06:38:33 | saratoga2 | also, how many registers am I allowed to use on ARM? |
| 06:38:48 | saratoga2 | can i change the frame pointer for instance? |
| 06:39:38 | jhMikeS | saratoga2: r0-r3 = scratch, the rest are non-volatile (r12 seems rather ambiguous though). r14 can be scratch with the routine |
| 06:39:52 | jhMikeS | *within |
| 06:40:41 | webguest57 | is there a way to lock the volume at a certain deceble? |
| 06:40:44 | jhMikeS | saratoga2: you can allocate stack space with sub sp, sp, <shifter> |
| 06:41:04 | saratoga2 | so i shouldn't be using r12 or 15 in my asm functions? |
| 06:41:06 | JdGordon | webguest57: there is a patch for that |
| 06:41:25 | webguest57 | thank god lol |
| 06:41:30 | jhMikeS | r14 = lr so you can stack that return address and then use r14 |
| 06:41:55 | jhMikeS | r15 = pc so you can do add pc, pc, <shifter> to do jumps |
| 06:42:26 | saratoga2 | if i tell gcc i'm going to write to r14 it will be smart enough to push the stack pointer for me, right? |
| 06:42:55 | jhMikeS | yes, if it's in the clobber list |
| 06:43:18 | webguest57 | where can i find the patch? under patches? lol |
| 06:43:18 | saratoga2 | thanks, good luck with the COP |
| 06:44:11 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: does the sansa charge in rockbox with usb? I seem to remember it only charges at like 100mA or something? |
| 06:44:12 | jhMikeS | hopefully that badness takes care of problems on pp5020 |
| 06:44:32 | JdGordon | ... as apposed to the full 500mA |
| 06:44:33 | Llorean | JdGordon: Same as iPods when you charge them from normal (non-wall-charger) USB |
| 06:44:37 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I don't know the current but it seemed to charge when I left it there |
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| 06:45:08 | JdGordon | ok cool |
| 06:45:54 | webguest57 | JdGordon: Where can I find that patch? What's it called? |
| 06:46:23 | JdGordon | on the patch tracker... i dont know what its called, it likeoly it was closed so you have to search closed tasks also |
| 06:46:54 | webguest57 | ok |
| 06:49:49 | webguest57 | would you know what patch catagory it would fall under? |
| 06:50:03 | JdGordon | nope |
| 06:50:11 | JdGordon | i just remember there is one :) |
| 06:50:17 | * | JdGordon off to class |
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| 06:53:26 | perrikwp | webguest57: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6555 |
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| 06:56:50 | webguest57 | lol I just found that too |
| 06:57:31 | webguest57 | How do I install it? |
| 06:57:57 | saratoga2 | webguest57: see the working with patches wiki page |
| 06:58:07 | saratoga2 | i believe its listed under the index link on the front page |
| 06:58:07 | webguest57 | ty |
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| 07:02:57 | webguest57 | ok that's too confusing for me |
| 07:03:33 | webguest57 | You guys should incorperate something like that in your next build or somethin'. |
| 07:05:24 | saratoga2 | webguest57: patches that should be incorporated into builds are |
| 07:05:37 | saratoga2 | we choose not to commit many of them |
| 07:06:16 | Llorean | That patch wasn't implemented in the right way, iiuc. |
| 07:07:29 | Llorean | Although since my target has discrete volume adjustment, I just keep track of the level in my head. |
| 07:08:44 | webguest57 | ok |
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| 07:09:34 | webguest57 | I made a folder in the root of the .rockbox filder and i put some gameboy roms in it... How do I get to it? |
| 07:10:12 | alienbiker99 | move it to the root of your player instead, it will be easier |
| 07:10:38 | alienbiker99 | but you have to select show all in file view to see .rockbox |
| 07:12:07 | webguest57 | ok ty |
| 07:13:19 | saratoga2 | is it legal to do this in ARM: "sub r1, r1, #16;" ? |
| 07:14:05 | jbit | why wouldnt it be? |
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| 07:14:27 | saratoga2 | i'm having trouble with the assembler |
| 07:15:43 | webguest57 | is it possible to make rockboy a little faster/less choppy? |
| 07:15:46 | jbit | you can even do short-hand "sub r1, #16" in most arm assemblers (which will result in what you put) |
| 07:16:05 | saratoga2 | i'm trying to do this without luck |
| 07:16:07 | saratoga2 | "sub p, p, #32;" |
| 07:16:17 | saratoga2 | where p is a variable passed in and listed in the clobber list |
| 07:16:55 | jbit | ? |
| 07:17:04 | jbit | in gcc inline asm? |
| 07:17:19 | saratoga2 | yeah |
| 07:17:31 | saratoga2 | " Error: register expected, not 'p,p,#32' −− `sub p,p,#32'" |
| 07:17:32 | jbit | unless soemthing big changed.. that isn't how it works... |
| 07:17:34 | jhMikeS | hrm...got the boost back down to normal :\ |
| 07:17:39 | jbit | you have to use %0,%1,%2,etc |
| 07:17:52 | jbit | refering to first, second, third, (etc) arguments |
| 07:18:45 | saratoga2 | oh forgot the brackets |
| 07:19:48 | saratoga2 | "sub %[p], %[p], #32;" works as expected |
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| 07:21:06 | jhMikeS | amiconn: (for the logs) if you thought the scheduler was complicated before ... ;D |
| 07:22:40 | saratoga2 | jhMikeS: so no luck with these fixes? |
| 07:23:30 | webguest57 | How can I speed up RockBoy? |
| 07:25:39 | EbErT | drop frames |
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| 07:26:31 | jhMikeS | saratoga2: it's working fine |
| 07:26:55 | webguest57 | its set at 6 max |
| 07:27:14 | | Part EbErT |
| 07:27:48 | jhMikeS | it runs much better than svn now |
| 07:29:13 | saratoga2 | jhMikeS: you mean COP is working? |
| 07:29:54 | webguest57 | well i cant wait when this becomes 100% |
| 07:30:02 | webguest57 | Pokemon rules :P |
| 07:30:53 | jhMikeS | saratoga2: it has been working but things are smoother without that timer problem |
| 07:31:15 | saratoga2 | jhMikeS: well i mean working and getting the anticipated speedup |
| 07:31:27 | saratoga2 | i assume this is a pretty big step towards that? |
| 07:31:29 | jhMikeS | I'm not using it for decoding yet |
| 07:31:36 | saratoga2 | ah |
| 07:32:02 | saratoga2 | well good luck, i'm getting some sleep |
| 07:32:14 | jhMikeS | If things will run as on the dual targets with the proper scheduler mods then that can be done next |
| 07:33:34 | jhMikeS | just fixing the timer thing seems to have dropped a 1-2% boost though...hmm |
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| 08:10:41 | markun | webguest57: which player do you have? |
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| 08:18:12 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Eh, what-where? |
| 08:19:30 | jhMikeS | you mean abou the timer? in TIMER1() |
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| 08:21:20 | amiconn | I mean your remark regarding the scheduler |
| 08:22:44 | amiconn | Regarding TIMER1_VAL, why would it cancel the interrupt for the other core? Does the interrupt controller not latch the interrupts? |
| 08:24:59 | amiconn | Btw, the PP interrupt controller has an interesting property regarding core wakeup |
| 08:25:25 | jhMikeS | when syncing the core wakeups (having to disable interrupts first) |
| 08:26:09 | jhMikeS | I need two blocks of code that take equal clocks to execute to provide a lock-free sync |
| 08:26:36 | amiconn | If a core is put to sleep (via CPU_CTRL/COP_CTRL) with interrupts disabled in the CPSR, but some interrupts enabled in CPU_INT_EN(2)/COP_INT_END(2), the respective core will still wake up when one of the enabled interrupts arrives |
| 08:27:03 | jhMikeS | yes, that's where the trouble showed up |
| 08:27:06 | amiconn | It won't take the interrupt vector of course, but it will wake up |
| 08:27:19 | jhMikeS | it will after reenabling them |
| 08:27:39 | amiconn | yes of course, if they're not cleared before |
| 08:28:13 | jhMikeS | I changed it to sync pulse the COP from the CPU timer to provide the tick there |
| 08:28:19 | amiconn | This behaviour is perfectly understandable because both core sleep and the interrupt controller are not part of the standard arm core |
| 08:28:51 | amiconn | And in fact, without that, wakeup from suspend wouldn't be possible |
| 08:29:15 | jhMikeS | it's mandatory too because you can't have an interrupt during the two code blocks that must sync by cycle |
| 08:29:51 | amiconn | ...because in suspend, DRAM is inaccessible, hence enabled interrupts would make the system crash, but the cpu must still wake up on GPIO interrupts (button presses) |
| 08:30:11 | jhMikeS | so you put the handler in IRAM? |
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| 08:30:42 | amiconn | It had to be there |
| 08:30:45 | amiconn | *has |
| 08:32:52 | jhMikeS | http://www.pastebin.ca/659310 |
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| 08:38:33 | amiconn | I'm not sure I understand... |
| 08:39:08 | amiconn | Is the TIMER1 interrupt enabled for both cores? |
| 08:40:02 | jhMikeS | not in my implementation and that fixed up the timer problem. I'm just calling core_wake(COP) from TIMER1. |
| 08:41:01 | amiconn | How does the timer problem show up? I would expect to see problems in svn builds as well |
| 08:41:51 | jhMikeS | it shows up as anything tick based being almost completely unresponsive but scrollwheel and SD insert functioning normally |
| 08:42:22 | amiconn | But the tick seems to count correctly. 100 ticks per second.... |
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| 08:43:03 | jhMikeS | something with coordinating things causes it to go nearly dead |
| 08:43:19 | amiconn | What about svn? |
| 08:43:48 | jhMikeS | the ticks are smoother than SVN so it does cause some glitching as one core races to read TIMER1_VAL |
| 08:44:22 | amiconn | Hmm, I can't follow |
| 08:44:23 | jhMikeS | using the wakeup call much like OF does is better |
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| 08:45:02 | amiconn | In svn the timer definitely works correctly, otherwise we wouldn't observe 100 tick per second, correct? |
| 08:45:09 | jhMikeS | it may be 100 ticks/second but they're not as evenly spaced. it shows in the plugins running |
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| 08:46:16 | amiconn | I never observed such a problem.... |
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| 08:46:42 | jhMikeS | if you clear the interrupt on the COP then the CPU disables it's own and sleeps it won't get the wakeup, right? |
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| 08:47:50 | amiconn | If it disabled it afterwards, sure. But I would expect both cores to take the interrupt if they both have them enabled in the intc and in CPSR |
| 08:47:52 | jhMikeS | the COP seems to beat it to the clearing since it's got nothing else to do |
| 08:48:27 | amiconn | There's another thing in your core_sleep that I don't understand. If the core now goes to sleep again until it gets signalled it has to wake up, how does music playback work? |
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| 08:48:40 | jhMikeS | but COP leaves the sleep and beats the CPU to the clear, the CPU then never takes it especially if the FIQ is running |
| 08:48:44 | amiconn | (i..e how does the fiq wake up the core?) |
| 08:49:08 | jhMikeS | it wakes it like any other interrupt |
| 08:49:36 | jhMikeS | in fact, I'd had music playing fine and no ability to use buttons |
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| 08:50:19 | jhMikeS | so CPU took FIQ, COP took TIMER1 and left CPU with no timer |
| 08:51:39 | amiconn | Hmm, seems I read something wrong. The core only goes to sleep unless there is *already* a signal in the mailbox that it shouldn't? |
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| 08:51:57 | amiconn | But how does that solve the TIMER1 problem? |
| 08:52:05 | jhMikeS | mailboxes don't wake cores without and interrupt enabled on them |
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| 08:52:39 | amiconn | ? |
| 08:52:48 | jhMikeS | oh, wait you're talking about my setup |
| 08:53:14 | jhMikeS | If the mailbox is signaled, it skips the sleep, yes |
| 08:53:58 | jhMikeS | that's basically used by a kernel object to wake the other core to handle waking a thread on it |
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| 08:56:37 | jhMikeS | of course it can be used to just wake the core for any reason. it won't check threads early since there's no core tasks queued. |
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| 08:58:13 | amiconn | Do we need interrupts on the cop enabled at all (in CPSR)? |
| 08:59:08 | amiconn | I would think we could forbid that, just enabling the TIMER1 bit in COP_INT_EN so the cop will wake up from time to time if it wenr to sleep |
| 08:59:12 | jhMikeS | not for this. I have none enabled atm. for PCM playback on the COP of course. I don't plan on leaving FIQ disabled all the time but having the I2S source masked. |
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| 09:00:27 | amiconn | Wy do we want pcm on cop? |
| 09:00:31 | amiconn | *Why |
| 09:00:37 | jhMikeS | I want pcm on the core that starts it |
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| 09:01:43 | amiconn | We could also solve the TIMER1 problem without a different core sleep, and without disabling interrupts on the cop |
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| 09:02:01 | amiconn | Just stop our interrupt dispatcher dispatch TIMER1 interrupts to the cop |
| 09:03:18 | * | jhMikeS can't parse that one :) |
| 09:03:42 | jhMikeS | I need a different core sleep/wake for the scheduler however so that a message has no latency (well, a couple uS) |
| 09:03:43 | amiconn | hmm? |
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| 09:04:34 | amiconn | system-pp502x.c, just remove lines 65 and 66, and the 'else' in line 67 |
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| 09:05:40 | jhMikeS | oops, forgot to remove that one |
| 09:06:25 | jhMikeS | sure, guess that would work. the COP shouldn't mess with clearing it, that's about it really. |
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| 09:07:25 | amiconn | Yes, and the cop will still wake up every tick if the appropriate bit in COP_INT_EN is enabled |
| 09:07:26 | jhMikeS | I'm not sure what the point with TIMER2 is there |
| 09:07:47 | amiconn | TIMER2 might be used on either core. It's the user timer |
| 09:08:08 | amiconn | But that's currently just an arbitrary decision; nothing uses it on cop |
| 09:08:14 | jhMikeS | it'll need more sophistication than that to work and only one at a time |
| 09:08:42 | amiconn | For TIMER2, only one core is allowed to have it enabled in its *_INT_EN |
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| 09:09:11 | jhMikeS | the HW enforces that or something? |
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| 09:12:11 | * | jhMikeS doesn't know if that was a suggestion or something re'd :\ |
| 09:12:31 | amiconn | No, our convention enforces that |
| 09:13:36 | amiconn | TIMER2 is the user timer, and only used for (maximum) 2 things which are mutually exclusive |
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| 09:14:07 | amiconn | (1) Backlight PWM fading on PP targets with backlight on GPIO, i.e. no hardware PWM |
| 09:14:35 | amiconn | (2) the grayscale library (and some related stuff, like the test_framerate plugin) |
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| 09:16:01 | jhMikeS | ah, greyscale runs on COP in mpegplayer |
| 09:16:20 | amiconn | I don't think so |
| 09:16:44 | amiconn | (unless that changed recently) |
| 09:16:46 | jhMikeS | so no greyscale targets are dual-core enabled? |
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| 09:17:00 | amiconn | Afaik, video decoding runs on cop and audio decoding on cpu in mpegplayer |
| 09:17:09 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 09:17:21 | jhMikeS | and rendering |
| 09:17:26 | amiconn | And on greyscale targets, it's audio that suffers from the greyscale lib sucking cpu power in interrupts |
| 09:17:41 | jhMikeS | hmmm |
| 09:18:02 | amiconn | The cop may call the rendering functions, but the isr is running on cpu |
| 09:18:42 | jhMikeS | vo_draw_frame is called on COP but I've not looked much at the hookin with greylib |
| 09:20:01 | jhMikeS | just leaving TIMER1 dispatch out for COP seem to be working fine |
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| 09:22:45 | amiconn | In fact the user timer cannot run on cop in its current implementation |
| 09:22:59 | amiconn | firmware/timer.c line 265 |
| 09:23:08 | amiconn | It always sets CPU_INT_EN |
| 09:23:10 | GodEater | Llorean, you here ? |
| 09:25:13 | jhMikeS | wouldn't be hard to flip it to the registering core and cancel on the other if one's enabled there |
| 09:25:37 | amiconn | It can never be registered twice anyway |
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| 09:27:39 | jhMikeS | timing in the games/other plugins is much more regular. a very visible difference. |
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| 09:30:22 | ie | An OT question (it's quiet here :-): does anybody own an iAudio U3? What's your experience with it? |
| 09:30:49 | B4gder | no rockbox, no fun ;-) |
| 09:31:20 | B4gder | guys, try the new current build page |
| 09:31:30 | jhMikeS | new? |
| 09:31:39 | B4gder | new! |
| 09:31:41 | ie | B4gder: if it has good HW it could become the next RB target ;-) |
| 09:32:02 | B4gder | ie: well... good hw is generally not what makes the next target... |
| 09:32:12 | * | jhMikeS notices something missing but isn't sure :\ |
| 09:32:24 | GodEater | ie: a new target is born when someone writes rockbox for it... |
| 09:32:24 | B4gder | ie: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioU3Info |
| 09:32:32 | B4gder | telechips |
| 09:32:34 | * | petur wonders what the difference is with M3, which amiconn claims he will port rb to... |
| 09:32:47 | B4gder | M3 has a coldfire I believe |
| 09:32:54 | * | GodEater oohs and aahs at the new builds page |
| 09:32:56 | mikeyisback | Hello, ive been looking at the installation instructions for about the past hour and i cannot find out how to fix my toshiba gigabeat to run rockbox, can anyone help me? |
| 09:33:32 | GodEater | mikeyisback: which bit of the instructions are you stumped on ? |
| 09:33:33 | B4gder | the new target order on the build page will be used on the other target tables too soonish |
| 09:33:36 | jhMikeS | that TCC datasheet seems a bit PortalPlayer-ish somehow...can't explain it |
| 09:33:43 | B4gder | indeed |
| 09:33:57 | B4gder | although that we have that leaked tcc760 data sheet... |
| 09:34:07 | mikeyisback | ive loaded the firmware and the loader, but when i turn on my gigabeat; it says rockbox loaded and thats it |
| 09:34:11 | B4gder | pity none of the cool targets use the 760 ;-) |
| 09:34:25 | ie | B4gder: wouldn't it be better to sort targets alphabetically? |
| 09:34:30 | petur | B4gder: current build page is indeed better for the users, I'll have to create a shortcut for the build table - two clicks away :/ |
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| 09:34:34 | jhMikeS | hehe ... if it's like other things, one is like the other |
| 09:34:36 | jhMikeS | :P |
| 09:34:46 | B4gder | petur: yeah, I share that feeling |
| 09:34:55 | scorche | ie: they are |
| 09:35:05 | B4gder | jhMikeS: indeed, I'm sure it'll be partly helpful at least |
| 09:35:44 | B4gder | alphabetically doesn't make much sense imho |
| 09:35:55 | scorche | well, they are alphabetical |
| 09:36:07 | B4gder | they are, on manufacturer at least |
| 09:36:23 | scorche | except for ipod/iriver actually... |
| 09:36:31 | GodEater | mikeyisback: did you remember to switch off the battery? |
| 09:36:31 | B4gder | ah yes |
| 09:36:35 | ie | scorche: ah, sorry, I looked at the delta page at that moment |
| 09:36:35 | mikeyisback | yes |
| 09:36:52 | B4gder | the delta table has a somewhat funny order ;-) |
| 09:37:01 | GodEater | mikeyisback: so you get the rockbox logo on the screen ? |
| 09:37:01 | B4gder | I'll tweak that one day |
| 09:37:58 | mikeyisback | no, i get the firmware loading screen, and it says loading rock box........ Rockbox loaded |
| 09:38:03 | mikeyisback | and then it just sits there |
| 09:39:13 | * | jhMikeS thinks both on-disk and in-RAM size deltas should be included |
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| 09:40:59 | B4gder | why on disk? |
| 09:41:02 | * | jhMikeS won't be able to cheat anymore by hiding things in BSS sections :P |
| 09:41:30 | jhMikeS | binary vs. loaded? |
| 09:42:19 | B4gder | I just don't see the point |
| 09:42:59 | mikeyisback | sweet i got it to work |
| 09:43:01 | mikeyisback | yay |
| 09:43:22 | mikeyisback | i got a bad fwimg01 somehow |
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| 09:46:25 | jhMikeS | ok |
| 09:47:07 | jhMikeS | just an idea to show a truer size increase like when stacks sizes are increased or whatever |
| 09:47:47 | B4gder | we'd need to poke the build script to be able to extract that info |
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| 09:48:07 | B4gder | but you're right, it would make sense |
| 09:49:21 | B4gder | adjusting the delta table script is easy if the info would just be provided! ;-) |
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| 09:50:14 | jhMikeS | it's hard to make the build script send the real size info back with the zip? |
| 09:50:50 | B4gder | if it would store that info in the rockbox-info.txt file, it would work nicely |
| 09:51:03 | B4gder | that's where the current info is stored |
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| 09:51:51 | B4gder | tools/mkinfo.pl is what creates it |
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| 09:52:16 | B4gder | I figure we'd need to scan the map file or something |
| 09:54:00 | B4gder | hm, is it "loadaddress" - "end" ? |
| 09:54:15 | jhMikeS | I thought the BSS info was public in the header or does that vary too much per target? |
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| 09:54:45 | B4gder | in the header of what? |
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| 09:55:20 | jhMikeS | the binary, but then that's encrypted on mi4 anyway. another aspect I haven't explored too much. |
| 09:55:34 | B4gder | yes, and compressed on archos etc |
| 09:55:43 | ddalton | Ok a question for everyone: would you prefer the time to be voiced before the free disk space under the info screen? |
| 09:56:13 | B4gder | jhMikeS: so scanning the map file seems like the better choice really |
| 09:56:20 | jhMikeS | indeed |
| 09:56:38 | B4gder | I'll give it a shot and see |
| 09:57:36 | ddalton | how do I check out revision 14324? |
| 09:57:53 | B4gder | "svn up -r14324" |
| 09:57:58 | pixelma | B4gder: is the buildserver issue already solved? |
| 09:58:09 | B4gder | which issue? |
| 09:58:13 | B4gder | we have plenty... |
| 09:58:23 | n1s | :D |
| 09:58:38 | pixelma | "deepthought" has no disk space left |
| 09:58:47 | B4gder | oh, I didn't see that |
| 09:58:52 | n1s | any talk clip users around? |
| 09:58:58 | ddalton | y? |
| 09:58:59 | B4gder | I'll disable it |
| 09:59:04 | GodEater | hehe - I didn't mention the diskspace thing because I assumed someone has already seen it! |
| 09:59:09 | pixelma | I think it's ender`s |
| 09:59:17 | B4gder | it is |
| 09:59:21 | ddalton | n1s y? |
| 09:59:32 | B4gder | ender`: ping! |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:09 | n1s | ddalton: I was looking at FS #6237 and since I don't use them personally I would like some input, do you think it's a good change? |
| 10:00:24 | B4gder | so funnily enough, right now the dailies are newer than the current ;-) |
| 10:00:29 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 10:00:35 | B4gder | at least for a couple of targets |
| 10:01:11 | ddalton | n1s let me take a look. |
| 10:01:41 | n1s | ddalton: all it does is shortening the hover delay from 1/2 a second to 1/4 |
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| 10:01:56 | n1s | hover delay is the delay before the talk clip is loaded |
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| 10:03:03 | ddalton | sounds good to me maybe even shorter if possible. I will try it out on a build I am about to get. But yes I would think it would speed file browsing up. |
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| 10:03:34 | ddalton | I will play with it and post an update if I think it should be shorter. |
| 10:03:38 | ddalton | what do you think? |
| 10:03:41 | n1s | ddalton: the delay is there to prevent loading of clips if you browse past a lot of files |
| 10:04:28 | n1s | ddalton: well, I don' tuse the feature myself so I will listen to what others think :-) to people for and no-one against is a commit :-) |
| 10:04:45 | ddalton | n1s Well I haven't tried it but surely if you are clicking through a dir quickly it would move to the next clip. (Are the clips interupted?) |
| 10:04:53 | n1s | s/to/two |
| 10:05:05 | pixelma | n1s: amiconn uses them (in car) ;) |
| 10:05:24 | ddalton | well I think it sounds good let me try it out and I will give you feedback. |
| 10:05:39 | n1s | ddalton: thanks |
| 10:05:46 | n1s | amiconn: any comments? |
| 10:06:19 | n1s | pixelma: how is voice working? mostly ok? |
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| 10:08:40 | pixelma | I didn't have problems with builds from the 14th - I just find the downloadable voice a bit slow but that's another thing |
| 10:09:15 | mikeyisback | Ok, i got the rockbox working now, but it wont play mp3s, any idea where i can find codecs for it? |
| 10:09:38 | n1s | mikeyisback: they should be included if you installed correctly |
| 10:10:49 | pixelma | mikeyisback: you don't try the .sat encrypted ones? |
| 10:11:04 | B4gder | jhMikeS: there, I've added it rockbox-info.txt now |
| 10:11:23 | B4gder | I'll see how it works and then add to the delta table soonish if it works fine |
| 10:11:30 | ddalton | n1s If you want to commit it it is a very small patch. And it is very easy to change back if it isn't wanted. |
| 10:11:54 | mikeyisback | no, it didnt have any sat files on it |
| 10:11:58 | n1s | ddalton: yes but IMO it's better to ask first :-) |
| 10:12:18 | mikeyisback | its my wifes old mp3 player, i had to format it and reload its orginal firmware to get this far |
| 10:12:28 | n1s | ddalton: so it works ok for you, is it an improvement? |
| 10:12:29 | B4gder | RAM usage: 1299948 |
| 10:12:31 | ddalton | for the more advance stuff in rockbox what do I need to know in c? Does one c book cover all of this? |
| 10:12:33 | B4gder | (on e200) |
| 10:13:00 | B4gder | ddalton: you never learn the hard real-world stuff by reading books |
| 10:13:11 | pixelma | mikeyisback: then it should work fine if you extracted the complete rockbox build directly to the root of your device |
| 10:13:13 | n1s | ddalton: well, knowing c is only one side, you need to know rockbox too |
| 10:13:16 | jhMikeS | B4gder: that was fast :) |
| 10:13:27 | mikeyisback | i did, yet the mp3s wont play |
| 10:13:32 | markun | mikeyisback: do you get some kind of error when you try to play? |
| 10:13:40 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 10:13:41 | ddalton | n1s Well I tried it last year but I can try it again I am just checking out rev 14324 because I have a couple of patches that improve voice feedback. And I really can't be bothered updating anything. |
| 10:13:50 | ddalton | at the moment. |
| 10:14:23 | n1s | ddalton: ok, I'll see if amiconn has something agains it and commit if he doesn't object strongly |
| 10:14:27 | ddalton | so once I read my c book from front to back what should I do next? |
| 10:14:36 | n1s | ddalton: hack! |
| 10:14:42 | markun | mikeyisback: the codec should be .rockbox/codecs/mpa.codec |
| 10:15:10 | ddalton | so how do I find out how rockbox works. Like settings buttons, voice displaying stuff and all the other stuff. |
| 10:15:52 | n1s | ddalton: browsing the source, changing things to see what happends and asking about specifics in here |
| 10:16:35 | mikeyisback | it was in the root directory.. strange |
| 10:16:55 | ddalton | n1s how long should it take me to learn the language before coding on rockbox? |
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| 10:17:29 | markun | mikeyisback: maybe try a different unzip program? |
| 10:18:19 | n1s | ddalton: I don't know, I started out by doing simpler things and learning as I went... and I'm no wizard in c yet :-) |
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| 10:21:23 | B4gder | perhaps it would be interesting to also store "maximum audio buffer size" etc... |
| 10:22:05 | mikeyisback | got it |
| 10:22:10 | mikeyisback | got my themes working too |
| 10:22:13 | mikeyisback | this thing rocks |
| 10:22:41 | jhMikeS | why not? that's just ram_size - loaded_size right? |
| 10:22:54 | B4gder | yeah i guess |
| 10:23:39 | B4gder | but I'll make use of this first |
| 10:24:11 | B4gder | it'll be interesting to squeeze in this in the delta table... |
| 10:25:09 | B4gder | at next commit the used ram size will get logged for each build |
| 10:26:42 | jhMikeS | this should be interesting to see :) |
| 10:26:51 | B4gder | I agree |
| 10:27:29 | * | n1s wants to do a one-char commit but waits for amiconn's feedback... |
| 10:27:32 | jhMikeS | It accounts for anything copied to IRAM then discarded where it matters? |
| 10:27:58 | B4gder | it simply stores the "end - loadaddress" size |
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| 10:29:27 | * | jhMikeS wonders why if PP timers don't vary with CPU frequency, the time the COP spends asleep changes proportionally with the inverse of the CPU frequency. |
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| 10:31:41 | jhMikeS | actually it's not a proportion, it sleep less time at 24 and 80 than it does at 30 :| |
| 10:33:54 | amiconn | petur: M3 is coldfire based like the M5 and X5, but a bit more different from them than these two from each other |
| 10:34:25 | amiconn | It has a different button layout, *no* main LCD, and no PCF50605 power management chip |
| 10:34:44 | n1s | amiconn: what do you think about shortening the delay before a talk clip is loaded from 1/2 to 1/4 second? |
| 10:37:39 | jhMikeS | hmmm...must just be a timing thing. backlight duration is always correct. |
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| 10:40:15 | ie | amiconn: does it have a HD inside? |
| 10:40:55 | * | jhMikeS now needs some SH ASM learnin' since thread functions will be able to return normally |
| 10:41:03 | aliask | ie: The M3 has a hdd in it |
| 10:44:33 | amiconn | n1s: I think the hover delay is perfect as it is |
| 10:44:42 | amiconn | I wouldn't want it to be shorter |
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| 10:45:18 | n1s | amiconn: I'll reject the patch then |
| 10:45:26 | amiconn | B4gder: Btw, the delta table on the current build page has a bug |
| 10:45:41 | amiconn | Probably introduced with keeping the .zips until the new ones are ready |
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| 10:46:07 | amiconn | If a build fails, it shows a delta of 0 instead of - |
| 10:46:23 | B4gder | ah, yes |
| 10:47:34 | ddalton | n1s what things did you start out with? |
| 10:47:37 | ddalton | in c? |
| 10:48:30 | B4gder | now, enjoy a sorted delta table |
| 10:48:56 | B4gder | sorted in the same order as the other tables that is |
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| 10:49:37 | amiconn | B4gder: I wonder how much use the occupied ram info is, as it doesn't (can't) take buffer_alloc'ed memory into account |
| 10:50:15 | B4gder | right, but otoh the occupied ram can never be less than what is reported |
| 10:50:29 | jhMikeS | amiconn: SH uses regparms? |
| 10:50:36 | B4gder | it's just a hint if it grows or shrinks |
| 10:51:02 | n1s | ddalton: since I was interested in rockbox I started out with some small tings and posted patches, this is my first patch that got committed http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/playlist_viewer.c?r1=10175&r2=10517&pathrev=10517 |
| 10:51:26 | ie | B4gder: why is iriver before ipod? |
| 10:51:48 | B4gder | to make the ipods somewhat line aligned in the table |
| 10:51:50 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes. r0..r7 are scratch, with r4..r7 being regparms |
| 10:52:02 | B4gder | it is not alphabetical |
| 10:52:03 | amiconn | r8..r15 are preserved (r15 is stack pointer) |
| 10:52:44 | ddalton | I know we don't like more settings in rockbox. (Why is this?) but couldn't we make a setting under the voice menu that said "hover delay?" and then options like 1 2 3 4 and so on? That way everyone can have it how they like. Just a suggestion. |
| 10:52:59 | ie | B4gder: ah, I thought you wanted to make it alph... |
| 10:52:59 | jhMikeS | is there some cost to offet addressing or it doesn't have that (referring to @%0+ ) |
| 10:53:02 | amiconn | B4gder: Yeah, but now some clever dev can make ram usage appear to shrink, by moving stuff from static allocation to buffer_alloc |
| 10:53:29 | amiconn | jhMikeS: @%0+ is post-increment... |
| 10:53:30 | * | jhMikeS hasn't been through the manual yet enough yet |
| 10:53:31 | Ave | any news on the nano bug? |
| 10:53:41 | B4gder | amiconn: right, but the delta always need some further info to make real sense |
| 10:53:48 | n1s | ddalton: we have some 180+ settings already, they make the user interface and code complicated. that's the reason we want to keep them to a minimum |
| 10:53:50 | ddalton | n1s: So you wrote the whole playlist thing? or not. (I haven't checked out the link yet. |
| 10:53:52 | Ave | I think llorean has not seen the bug but he has it.. |
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| 10:54:09 | Ave | mp3's play back pretty ok but vorbis fails miserably, he should try vorbis just to be sure |
| 10:54:12 | n1s | ddalton: no, just what was changed in that diff, like 8 lines or so |
| 10:54:20 | amiconn | jhMikeS: You can only use post-increment on loads, and pre-decrement only on stores |
| 10:54:54 | n1s | ddalton: however we are not against adding settings if there is a good reason to do so |
| 10:55:20 | ddalton | n1s: Well now I know. But I really think two settings that we could have should be: rec button config. So everyone can choose what it does. And then most people are happy And for this one the hover delay. What do you think? |
| 10:55:21 | jhMikeS | ah, ok. totally full-descending stack-centric. |
| 10:55:22 | ie | B4gder: if you'd place ipod before iriver it would still align, just the other row |
| 10:55:56 | ie | B4gder: just an idea: start each family in a new row |
| 10:56:06 | B4gder | that'd make too many rows |
| 10:56:29 | B4gder | actually about everyone has their own idea of the order |
| 10:56:40 | n1s | ddalton: the rec-button is a sort-of infected issue and I'd reather not get into it, I'm fine with a hover delay setting if it is felt that it is needed. |
| 10:56:52 | jhMikeS | amiconn: but there's no equivalent of "move.l d0, 8(%a0)" or "mov r0, [r1, #8]"? |
| 10:57:06 | ddalton | n1s so your saying for example if I added a "Voice time as" setting to p7561 this would be bad. Yes I know noone wants it. And I am guessing it isn't coded very well. |
| 10:57:23 | ddalton | the patch I am talking about when I say it isn't coded very well. |
| 10:58:07 | jhMikeS | SH7034.pdf looks a bit sketchy as an instruction ref |
| 10:58:55 | ddalton | n1s: I really think the rec button could be useful. For example in my case I would want it to voice some info on a long press like time battery level and free disk space. Where as sighted people might want it to go to the radio. Anyway just suggesting this. |
| 10:59:30 | ddalton | n1s do you know how to do buttons? |
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| 11:00:00 | n1s | ddalton: I haven't done anything to them, what do you want to do though? |
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| 11:01:15 | jhMikeS | ah, it does have a measly 4-bit displacement for mov.l :P |
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| 11:01:42 | ddalton | n1s: I want to make a long press of rec perform a function I will write. It will just say the time as well as battery level and maybe free disk space. (If I can be bothered) Because I don't have a lot of time. |
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| 11:02:05 | ddalton | n1s any ideas? |
| 11:05:17 | amiconn | jhMikeS: There is, but constant offset only supports small offset |
| 11:06:13 | amiconn | There are 4 bits defining the offset. It can only be positive. Depending on whether you access char, short or int, the offset can be 0..15, 0..30 (even), or 0..60 (dividable by 4) |
| 11:06:48 | * | amiconn wonders what jhMikeS is doing |
| 11:06:59 | jhMikeS | finally spotted that. I wanted to make the function clobber-risk-free. GCC used a reg that was part of the non-volatile context on cf and that gave me some major headaches when it did. |
| 11:07:46 | amiconn | Which function? |
| 11:07:48 | n1s | ddalton: I'm not sure, this is the commit that made long-press on rec go to the rec-screen http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=14141 maybe it's a starting point, asking JdGordon is probably a good idea |
| 11:08:02 | * | jhMikeS is adding a small feature to allow thread functions to user return which basically involves calling remove_thread(NULL) from the core after it returns. |
| 11:08:03 | amiconn | Some registers in the context switch are clobbered on purpose |
| 11:09:08 | JdGordon | n1s: i fixed the title in the plugin browser... still working on voice though |
| 11:09:14 | jhMikeS | some are but there's problems if it does it with save_context which can blast data to be loaded for a newly born thread running for the first time. |
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| 11:09:30 | n1s | JdGordon: ah, nice :-) |
| 11:10:00 | amiconn | Why do you want to allow thread functions to return, btw? |
| 11:10:01 | jhMikeS | it started to use a2 on coldfire for %0 which made nice crashes. |
| 11:11:21 | jhMikeS | convenience. allow certain cleanups. have thread back in core code sooner. I don't want an interface version for each processor (to avoid usesless #ifdef-ing). |
| 11:12:40 | ddalton | ok JdGordon can you help me with this? |
| 11:13:37 | jhMikeS | doing that itself adds a few instructions for a startup stub |
| 11:13:41 | JdGordon | ddalton: busy atm |
| 11:13:53 | ddalton | ok |
| 11:14:01 | petur | ddalton: look at the changes of that commit and learn |
| 11:14:20 | jhMikeS | but actually gets some out of load_context |
| 11:15:25 | ddalton | petur: I will do that once I read this c book. Like a lot of people on here have said to me. |
| 11:16:35 | petur | ddalton: once you read that, also read the code and try to understand it |
| 11:16:46 | markun | ddalton: have you ever programmed in another language? |
| 11:17:28 | ddalton | yeah but I want to make sure I study everything properly this time. I think I was just trying to get into rockbox to soon. But it hasn't really worked. |
| 11:18:28 | ddalton | hey under the plugins menu are they folders or menu items that don't speak? |
| 11:18:53 | petur | ddalton: yes, and that bug is already in flyspray |
| 11:19:19 | ddalton | so there menu options? |
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| 11:19:48 | petur | no, categories.. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7612 |
| 11:20:51 | ddalton | actually aren't they folders because under .rockbox/rocks aren't there folders. (I haven't checked but that is what I remember) |
| 11:21:23 | ddalton | so they aren't standed menu options or dirs? |
| 11:22:01 | ddalton | blind people don't even use plugins anyway so I don't think it is ergent |
| 11:22:34 | petur | they are folders at the moment but really ought to be translatable names like in a menu |
| 11:22:36 | jhMikeS | amiconn: there also tends to be alot of uncertainty on how to stop terminate a thread and alot programmers do it wrong. I'll just make it easy and less bug-prone. |
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| 11:25:35 | n1s | petur: they are translatable, the problem I reported in the tracker was that the actual dirname was shown as title when inside a category and JdGordonsaid he has a fix for that |
| 11:26:04 | petur | oh, I misread it then.... |
| 11:29:23 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Don't forget that SH1 works similar to arm when calling subroutines |
| 11:29:44 | jhMikeS | is the return addess linked or stacked? |
| 11:30:10 | amiconn | It does *not* put the return address on stack by default, but has a 'procedure return' register for that (pr), the equivalend of arm's lr (r14) |
| 11:30:21 | amiconn | Just that pr is a separate register, not an alias name |
| 11:32:13 | amiconn | And if you want to store/fetch pr, you cannot use mov, you use sts/lds |
| 11:32:29 | jhMikeS | bsr seems to handle pr. param1 goes in r0, then bsr. bsr just takes a label if near enough? |
| 11:33:27 | amiconn | Yes, bsr can be used to call +/-2048 bytes (iirc) |
| 11:34:09 | jhMikeS | what about a pointer call? I see a faked br and rts to do the jump for that. |
| 11:36:38 | amiconn | It's +/- 4096 bytes# |
| 11:36:47 | amiconn | This is a trick to save a register |
| 11:38:33 | jhMikeS | there's JMP @Rm, Rm->PC |
| 11:38:41 | amiconn | yes |
| 11:38:58 | amiconn | But then you'd need another register to clear the start address from the context |
| 11:39:33 | amiconn | The trick used is that the thread start address is first copied from r0 to pr, then r0 is zeroed, and then this zero is written back into the context |
| 11:39:54 | amiconn | The rts then jumps to the destination (because it was moved to pr) |
| 11:40:21 | amiconn | Take care - bra, bsr, jmp have a delay slot on SH |
| 11:40:43 | amiconn | So the mov.l r0,@%0 after the rts *is* executed |
| 11:41:22 | n1s | wow, seems like voice for almost all sound settings is broken, it's interrupted after about one second and does not continue untill you exit out of a setting screen... |
| 11:41:44 | jhMikeS | ah, a trick that would've frustrated the heck out of me. might actually be able to exploit that. |
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| 11:42:33 | amiconn | If we want to use jmp, clearing the start address entry requires another register |
| 11:42:42 | * | n1s bets a cookie on pcmbuf_set_low_latency(); |
| 11:43:04 | jhMikeS | I can load r0 with the context pointer but after the jmp I suppose so the stub has the context pointer in r0 |
| 11:43:25 | DerPapst | there is another voice issue too. dunno if it's only on the sim or on the target too. if you have started playback on an iPod sim then pause playback and then browse the menu nothing is spoken. then when you return to the wps and unpause playback the last voice is spoken. |
| 11:44:06 | amiconn | jhMikeS: *Never* try to load a register from a pc-relative memory address in the delay slot on sh1. |
| 11:44:48 | amiconn | That guarantees serious headaches - the pc relative addressing is executed *relative to the jump destination* |
| 11:45:10 | n1s | DerPapst: no voice while paused is a known issue, and one that can't be fixed without some re-architecting of the playback code... IIUC |
| 11:45:17 | amiconn | There's comments on that behaviour in rockbox' crt0.S |
| 11:45:18 | jhMikeS | it would be mov.l @%0,r0 ... so just a register copy |
| 11:45:30 | DerPapst | n1s: ah.. didn't know that |
| 11:45:38 | amiconn | Register does work of course |
| 11:46:04 | * | DerPapst hopes for MoB and the rework of playback.c then :P |
| 11:46:29 | jhMikeS | the initial thread start would be the stub, the thread stub takes the context in r0 and does the dirty work |
| 11:48:02 | preglow | jhMikeS: how's multicore stuff going? |
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| 11:49:23 | jhMikeS | preglow: pretty well actually. very fine-grained locking for this. no core blocking unless they want the same resource unlike previous attempts. |
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| 11:51:22 | ddalton | n1s what needs to be done for the voice to work when playback is paused? |
| 11:52:36 | n1s | ddalton: I'm not sure really but i think it is something about making the sates of playback and pcmbuf stuff independent so that the buffer can send stuff to the dac when playback is paused or something like that |
| 11:53:38 | preglow | jhMikeS: sounds good |
| 11:54:08 | preglow | 'bout time we got serious with dual core |
| 11:54:10 | jhMikeS | the cache coherency stuff is whole other problem. it does strange stuff. I've got a test_cache plugin that writes identical random data to a cached and uncached buffer on the CPU and has the cop compare the two and return an error if they don't match. odd thing is, if it makes it through the first test cycle, it seems to keep working or otherwise both cores have the wrong data. |
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| 11:54:33 | n1s | jhMikeS: it seems like setting low latency when entering the sound menu items cause voice to break, should i pop it on flyspray? |
| 11:55:32 | jhMikeS | n1s: that is a known problem. I think the low latency causes the codec thread to remain boosted which starves the voice thread. I haven't tried to boost them both at the same time yet but that may work. |
| 11:56:15 | jhMikeS | boosted = thread priority boost of course |
| 11:56:50 | n1s | jhMikeS: where should I look to try to change that? |
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| 11:57:07 | preglow | jhMikeS: i hate caches that don't manage themselves... |
| 11:57:17 | jhMikeS | n1s: in pcm_buffer.c where it's done |
| 11:57:51 | n1s | jhMikeS: thanks |
| 11:58:09 | jhMikeS | preglow: they never do. even gigabeat needs management but at least it's documented. |
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| 11:58:36 | jhMikeS | cf needs management but only for an instruction cache |
| 11:58:53 | pixelma | someone already looked into why voice with enabled spelling of filenames breaks mpegplayer? |
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| 12:00:07 | preglow | jhMikeS: they do if they snoop the bus |
| 12:00:18 | jhMikeS | hmmm...voice commands keep getting sent after loading it? |
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| 12:01:38 | jhMikeS | preglow: our caches mind their own business :) |
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| 12:09:18 | aliask | We can include copyrighted code in rockbox as long as it's released under the GPL, right? |
| 12:10:09 | dionoea | as long as it's released under a GPL compatible license |
| 12:10:37 | aliask | Excellent. |
| 12:10:41 | dionoea | (all rockbox code is copyrighted by it's author. AFAIK no one made their code public domain) |
| 12:11:05 | * | aliask doesn't know much about how copyright works |
| 12:11:19 | dionoea | the FSF website has a nice page about that |
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| 12:12:47 | ddalton | I type "nano" with out the quotes into cygwin and it says command not found. does this mean I don't have nano installed? |
| 12:12:53 | GodEater | correct |
| 12:17:30 | ddalton | can I install linux apps on to cygwin. I want to install a patch thing that apparently is better for lots of patches. |
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| 12:24:36 | DerPapst | rerun cygwinsetup.exe |
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| 12:24:45 | DerPapst | i bet you can install it there then |
| 12:25:00 | * | bluebrother wonders what this patch thing might be ... |
| 12:25:50 | ddalton | But I downloaded the zip file from another website. |
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| 12:26:52 | ddalton | the patch tool is called "quilt " |
| 12:27:15 | petur | rofl |
| 12:27:29 | pondlife | B4gder: 10000 commits, congratulations |
| 12:28:04 | pondlife | Heading up to the top 40 too |
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| 12:28:41 | ddalton | wow there are a lot of editors in cygwin. My conection is going at 250 kb per second and it has been going for about 10 minutes. |
| 12:29:06 | bluebrother | sounds a bit like the patch and merge thingy git can do ... |
| 12:29:15 | ddalton | only on 70% |
| 12:29:33 | ddalton | so can i install it on cygwin? |
| 12:29:56 | * | jhMikeS wonders how to get a subroutine address in a register if too far for bsr |
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| 12:35:53 | n1s | jhMikeS: I had no luck with the priority stuff, not that I knew what I was doing but I think I set the priority for the voice thread to the same as the codec thread and it made no difference... |
| 12:36:07 | n1s | posted it to fs so it's not forgotten |
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| 12:38:42 | jhMikeS | n1s: ok. was worth a check anyway. |
| 12:39:19 | n1s | jhMikeS: i'm not in anyway sure that I actuallly set the thread pririty correct... |
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| 12:46:04 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Jost load the subroutine address into a register and use jsr |
| 12:46:20 | amiconn | Very much like long calls work on arm |
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| 12:48:58 | aliask | anyone familiar with button_get versus button_read_device? |
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| 12:49:14 | peppo | there's a converter from avi container to rockbox video format? |
| 12:49:38 | aliask | peppo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#How_to_encode_files |
| 12:50:17 | peppo | danke |
| 12:51:40 | peppo | what's a reasonable bitrate? |
| 12:51:44 | jhMikeS | n1s: setting it identical should work |
| 12:51:47 | peppo | (for a dvd rip source) |
| 12:52:08 | aliask | peppo: What mp3 player have you got? |
| 12:52:16 | peppo | ipod video 80gb 5.5g |
| 12:52:25 | aliask | Give 600kbit/s a shot |
| 12:52:35 | peppo | :) that's what I had entered |
| 12:52:35 | peppo | great |
| 12:52:53 | n1s | jhMikeS: I can show you a diff of my changes if you'd like |
| 12:52:57 | peppo | oh mama this is slow :) |
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| 12:53:22 | peppo | 3fps/s :/ |
| 12:53:47 | peppo | I'll try vlc instead |
| 12:53:54 | GodEater | imagine how much slower it'd be on the ipod itself.... |
| 12:54:11 | * | aliask was thinking the same thing |
| 12:54:29 | jhMikeS | n1s: sure |
| 12:54:48 | ddalton | how do I create a blank file in emacs? |
| 12:55:09 | n1s | jhMikeS: http://pastebin.ca/659551 |
| 12:55:11 | Damme | hi guys, anyone got any tip for my ipod? I tried to upgrade it's firmware and after 6h I got boored waiting any longer, I disconnected the USB and it rebooted, and then it stuck like 3pixels into the upgrade screen (Black with logo and a bar) and after that I resettet it (nothing happend for 1h) and now it's compleatly dead, nothing happens, no loadingsymbol no applelogo no backlight, windows does not recognize it.. any |
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| 12:55:43 | Damme | stupid itunes wanted to upgrade firmware and my sister sat by computer and pressed ok (I've used rockbox on it..) |
| 12:55:51 | markun | peppo: with a ipod video you are much better off watching videos in apple's firmware |
| 12:55:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: mov.l sub_routine, Rn? |
| 12:56:11 | GodEater | Damme: resetting it in the middle of an apple firmware upgrade is the only known way to brick an ipod =/ |
| 12:56:12 | peppo | markun, well I'd still have to convert my sources which are in xvid |
| 12:56:27 | markun | peppo: sure, but playback will be much smoother |
| 12:56:31 | Damme | GodEater it was already dead.. =( Nothing happend for 1h |
| 12:56:35 | peppo | okay, then I'm giving up :) |
| 12:56:40 | peppo | better get a laptop instead :) |
| 12:56:45 | GodEater | Damme: then I feat it is not fixable by you |
| 12:56:48 | GodEater | *fear |
| 12:56:48 | markun | peppo: did you try one of the sameple movies? |
| 12:56:53 | markun | sample |
| 12:57:07 | peppo | markun, no. |
| 12:57:24 | Damme | GodEater itn't it possible to connect some interface straight to the motherboard or something? (I havn't checked if it has any special connectors though..) |
| 12:57:36 | markun | peppo: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Sample_videos |
| 12:57:51 | GodEater | Damme: 1) Maybe 2) Do you own such an interface? 3) Do you know what to do with it once connected ? |
| 12:58:12 | peppo | markun, cool, thanks, I'll try |
| 12:58:48 | Damme | GodEater no no and no but I am an electronic freak and I use to make alot of special interfaces now and then and I was hoping someone else done this before :) |
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| 12:58:56 | jhMikeS | n1s: if that were to work, then that's how to do it |
| 12:59:08 | GodEater | Damme: well if you can get LinusN's attention he *may* have more of an idea on that. |
| 12:59:09 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Not that simple. SH can only have small literal constants embedded in the instruction. Larger values need to be loaded from memory, like on arm |
| 12:59:30 | Damme | GodEater thanks, I'll ask him later on |
| 12:59:42 | jhMikeS | amiconn: that's what I'm not clear about how re: the assembler syntax for that |
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| 13:00:27 | amiconn | This is because SH has fixed instruction size, like arm (only that it has 16bit instead of 32bit, so more like thumb) |
| 13:01:46 | amiconn | I think the = syntax should work in gcc embedded asm |
| 13:02:12 | jhMikeS | on ARM, better not forget the .ltorg directive on naked functions or the literal pool will quickly be too far away. :P |
| 13:02:37 | ddalton | so it isn't possible to create a new file in emacs? |
| 13:06:18 | B4gder | ddalton: yes it is |
| 13:06:35 | B4gder | just "open" a file that doesn't exist |
| 13:06:42 | B4gder | edit text, save |
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| 13:14:11 | jhMikeS | amiconn: is "jsr @Rm" on SH like "jsr (%a2)" on coldfire? i.e. not a memory lookup. |
| 13:14:37 | gpd | I just started using rockbox on my 30G iPod Video 5th - so far it has crashed 3 times... is this to be expected? |
| 13:14:57 | pondlife | gpd: I'd think not... what sort of crash? |
| 13:15:09 | gpd | just seems to hang - last time was with the fire demo |
| 13:15:15 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, no memory lookup involved |
| 13:15:16 | gpd | probably a buggy plugin? |
| 13:15:38 | pondlife | Maybe, but it should be fine. |
| 13:15:40 | amiconn | In fact you can also write jsr %a2@ on cf (that's gnu asm syntax) |
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| 13:16:15 | amiconn | You'll see that syntax when disassembling with m68k-elf-objdump |
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| 13:16:39 | ddalton | how do I get emacs to do the indentation? |
| 13:17:05 | jhMikeS | odd that I have to write "_remove_thread" and not "remove_thread" like on the others. |
| 13:18:55 | Damme | bah, why didn't apple put in a failsafe-boot-mode ... my ipod seams bricked for real =( |
| 13:22:48 | preglow | Damme: it's not... |
| 13:23:06 | preglow | that's a rare thing to see |
| 13:23:15 | Damme | It failed during firmwareupdate.. |
| 13:23:25 | preglow | oh, then it just might be, heh |
| 13:24:02 | Damme | in worst case I'll desolder the memorychip and reprogram it or something :P |
| 13:25:19 | * | B4gder demands a commit! |
| 13:26:45 | * | petur commits some code in the repository at work :p |
| 13:26:55 | petur | did that help? |
| 13:26:58 | B4gder | good work! |
| 13:27:00 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 13:27:56 | gpd | ok - crashed again - this time "Searching 5 found(play/pause to abort) - play/pause does nothing :( |
| 13:30:18 | pixelma | gpd: did you install the Ipod Video 60/80GB build by any cnahce? |
| 13:30:24 | pixelma | *chance |
| 13:30:58 | gpd | no - 30GB Video |
| 13:31:44 | gpd | crashed again - this time playing a track... |
| 13:31:47 | * | gpd gives up |
| 13:31:57 | jbit | petur: so you're mentoring for usb otg? how far is it? |
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| 13:32:33 | petur | jbit: I have no idea... austriancoder is gone again :( |
| 13:32:47 | jbit | well somebody mentioned you're stuck |
| 13:32:47 | DerPapst | Damme: you surely can't desoilder that chip. it's glues on the PCB |
| 13:32:54 | jbit | or he's stuck |
| 13:32:55 | jbit | rather :) |
| 13:33:02 | Damme | DerPapst too bad :) |
| 13:33:07 | * | DerPapst is the someone |
| 13:33:07 | petur | jbit: yes, transmitting seems to fail |
| 13:33:49 | jbit | petur: i wrote an i.Mx USB device controller driver a while ago, I heard the pp chips usb stuff is similar? |
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| 13:34:36 | ddalton | so it isn't possible to get emacs to do the indentation automatically? |
| 13:34:38 | B4gder | jbit: yes, very similar |
| 13:34:51 | | Part pixelma |
| 13:34:55 | B4gder | ddalton: it is certainly possible |
| 13:35:03 | ddalton | how? |
| 13:35:18 | jbit | petur: was thinking it might be fun to have a look at it :) |
| 13:35:19 | petur | similar yes, but not exactly the same. Yesterday I found 3 bits the i.MX datasheet said to be fixed at 0 or 1, with the register dump showing something else (have that stuff at home, not here) |
| 13:35:27 | petur | jbit: please do |
| 13:35:40 | preglow | the recording side of dsp doesn't ever convert to 32 bit samples, no? |
| 13:35:55 | jhMikeS | for e200: Binary size: 481280, Actual Size: 480168? |
| 13:36:01 | petur | jbit: this is the last testversion I think: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/old/mrh_try7.diff |
| 13:36:02 | jbit | petur: is there a patch or a svn/cvs branch or something I can check out? |
| 13:36:05 | jbit | ah okay :) |
| 13:36:10 | jhMikeS | preglow: yes indeedy for wavpack |
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| 13:36:47 | preglow | jhMikeS: just thinking about maybe adding the riaa deemphasis filter as a recording option... and then i'd like to reuse the eq functions |
| 13:37:21 | jhMikeS | eq on the recording side? |
| 13:37:31 | preglow | but that won't work unless the samples are 32 bit non-interlaved |
| 13:37:36 | jbit | petur: so receiving data works then? |
| 13:37:41 | petur | yes |
| 13:37:45 | jhMikeS | oh, just for the deemph |
| 13:37:47 | preglow | jhMikeS: not eq as such, i'd just want to use the eq_filter function for filtering |
| 13:37:49 | jbit | in device mode or host? :) |
| 13:37:54 | * | jbit is guessing device |
| 13:37:55 | petur | device |
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| 13:38:13 | mahound | hey |
| 13:38:14 | preglow | jhMikeS: but i guess that's perhaps one of those "just do it on a computer" things |
| 13:38:22 | mahound | i ahev rockbox on my ipod |
| 13:38:36 | preglow | mahound: congratulations |
| 13:38:37 | petur | jbit: the setup frame is received, but when sending the response, the controller doesn't signal it is done, it just pretend it was never asked to send |
| 13:38:37 | mahound | when i plug it, gnome-volume-manager doesn't recognize it |
| 13:38:44 | mahound | "no sensible filesystem" |
| 13:38:48 | mahound | any clue? |
| 13:39:02 | jhMikeS | the only format where filtering in advance really makes sense is mp3 or _perhaps_ wavpack. wav and aiff, I'm not so sure. |
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| 13:39:25 | jbit | petur: weird, waht have you guys been testing on? ipod or...? |
| 13:39:32 | petur | sansa |
| 13:39:36 | * | jbit only has a 30gb 5g ipod here ;-/ |
| 13:39:42 | petur | but the code also runs on ipod |
| 13:39:43 | preglow | jhMikeS: it might make sense if you're recording straight to lossy, but does anyone serious really do that anyway? :> |
| 13:40:00 | petur | jbit: feel free to test and fix |
| 13:40:02 | jbit | and last(ish) question: does the patch stop the ipod rebooting into disk mode? :P |
| 13:40:04 | jhMikeS | I think for voice, lectures, meetings and such, yes |
| 13:40:16 | preglow | you don't need riaa deemphasis there, heh |
| 13:40:25 | preglow | so i'll just forget about this and stick to using it as a plugin |
| 13:40:27 | DerPapst | jbit: no |
| 13:40:37 | DerPapst | that is independent from rockbox |
| 13:40:40 | jhMikeS | not really. I think some actually do radio with mp3 |
| 13:40:50 | jbit | DerPapst: i mean |
| 13:41:01 | jbit | at the moment, when rockbox is running and you plug a usb cable in |
| 13:41:07 | jbit | it'll reboot into diskmode :) |
| 13:41:08 | DerPapst | ah |
| 13:41:17 | DerPapst | hold down menu ~20seconds |
| 13:41:22 | mahound | ok this started happening at the same time as i turn my ipod on and rockbox says "Database is not ready. Initialize now?" |
| 13:41:27 | preglow | amiconn: is there any reason why vinyl (mm cart) straight to h120 line in shouldn't work? i still have treble problems |
| 13:41:31 | DerPapst | while plugging usb in |
| 13:42:06 | jhMikeS | Though I don't know why you'd do WavPack if you want to compress again later...maybe disk space. That's so CPU intense trying anything serious besides mono mixdown is certainly too much. |
| 13:42:30 | mahound | any clue? |
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| 13:43:37 | Damme | stupid internet |
| 13:43:52 | jhMikeS | preglow: There is one thing that may make real sense - a DC blocker but that's really cheap to do. Some of these DAPS seem to have quite an offest. |
| 13:44:24 | Damme | hehe I had one day of warrenty left :) the only thing I need to do now is to restore my hdd in my ipod so apple cant see I used rockbox :) |
| 13:44:27 | preglow | that's dirt cheap, simple one pole highpasses are pretty common |
| 13:45:14 | jhMikeS | I used a two-pole in the blit synth, even that hardly phased it (no pun :) |
| 13:45:18 | preglow | mahound: if rockbox itself can read the disk fine, then there's no reason gnome shouldn't be able to read it |
| 13:45:20 | jbit | petur: have you guys tried reversing the DM software or similar to see if it's doing something differently? |
| 13:45:31 | DerPapst | Damme: i suppose you have a zif to ide connector? |
| 13:45:44 | Damme | DerPapst no but I'll make one somehow |
| 13:45:59 | Damme | or buy :) |
| 13:46:04 | preglow | jhMikeS: that too should work fine, yeah, it just needs to have no overshoot to make our lives simpler |
| 13:46:10 | petur | jbit: all is based on the work of MrH who made it work in manufacturing mode |
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| 13:46:19 | DerPapst | i think there is a pdf that has some good explanations... but it's in german |
| 13:46:38 | Damme | I think I'll understand the technical terms |
| 13:46:41 | jbit | petur: hrm, okay |
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| 13:47:02 | petur | jbit: there are register dumps of the controller (in manufacturing mode) in the wiki |
| 13:47:18 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbSoftwareStack |
| 13:47:43 | DerPapst | Damme: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement#Interesting_links |
| 13:47:57 | Damme | DerPapst thanks! |
| 13:47:58 | DerPapst | the zif to ide adapter (pdf) thing |
| 13:49:31 | jbit | petur: thanks :) |
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| 13:51:46 | austriancoder | petur: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/ - lastest patch with some register dumps... |
| 13:51:48 | * | jhMikeS has noob SH asm waiting for testing and an uncharged player ... |
| 13:51:59 | petur | now look who's there |
| 13:52:00 | jbit | austriancoder: good timing.. i think :) |
| 13:52:10 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: do you have time to do some usb stuff? |
| 13:52:33 | petur | austriancoder: 4 days left untill end of GSOC, where have you been? |
| 13:53:06 | jhMikeS | whilst charging? I suppose. Next thing I'd like to see is restoring the code behavior (longjmp)...or was that tried? |
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| 13:53:55 | B4gder | hey ender` |
| 13:54:02 | austriancoder | petur: I cleaned up my code... as you maybe know I dont hang in irq everytime I am in front of my computer |
| 13:54:12 | ender` | yes? |
| 13:54:16 | B4gder | ender`: deepthought has a disk space shortage |
| 13:54:30 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: lastes patch can be found here: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/ |
| 13:54:38 | B4gder | ender`: http://build.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=20070816T033352Z&type=Ondio%20SP%20-%20Boot |
| 13:54:43 | * | jhMikeS hangs in irC even when nowhere near the computer |
| 13:54:55 | petur | same here |
| 13:55:02 | austriancoder | JdGordon_: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/ |
| 13:55:21 | petur | austriancoder: no need to dump the url several times |
| 13:55:51 | JdGordon_ | austriancoder: cool, did you have any luck with the reg dumps? |
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| 13:56:05 | JdGordon_ | B4gder: can you allow #rockbox-community in the webclient? |
| 13:56:23 | * | aliask would like this too |
| 13:56:30 | petur | austriancoder: manufacturing mode reg dumps are in the wiki |
| 13:56:30 | ender` | B4gder: i think that was caused by RAM shortage caused by a runaway program yesterday |
| 13:56:38 | austriancoder | petur: I know |
| 13:56:47 | ender` | disk space is one thing my server won't run out of :) |
| 13:56:50 | B4gder | ender`: ah, ok then I'll enable builds on it again |
| 13:57:13 | B4gder | thanks |
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| 13:57:33 | ender` | /dev/evms/rockbox 5,3G 1,3G 4,1G 24% /home/rbclient |
| 13:57:51 | JdGordon_ | B4gder: oh, i got a new beast so once i get the cross compiler going you can add it... but my upload still sux, so only the sims are usefull really |
| 13:58:07 | * | ender` 's still waiting for fiber |
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| 14:00:35 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:01:24 | * | jhMikeS has to make a source tree clear to check any usb stuff first |
| 14:03:09 | | Quit spiorf_ ("Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)") |
| 14:03:15 | B4gder | JdGordon_: we have a pretty solid range of servers right now so there's really no pressure for more |
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| 14:03:46 | * | jhMikeS wonders why he's getting previously applied patch errors |
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| 14:05:03 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: I'm doing this from a clean tree and the 16th patch. what's up? |
| 14:05:26 | | Quit spiorf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) |
| 14:05:46 | * | austriancoder makes a clean svn checkout |
| 14:06:45 | preglow | gym time |
| 14:06:54 | * | JdGordon_ wants to put his new quad core to good use :p |
| 14:10:10 | B4gder | we'll make it chew simulator code all day long |
| 14:10:13 | JdGordon_ | what happend to the build page?? |
| 14:10:31 | DerPapst | JdGordon_: it's dead |
| 14:10:35 | B4gder | it transformed |
| 14:10:40 | JdGordon_ | looks good |
| 14:10:41 | DerPapst | because they thought it's not needed anymore |
| 14:10:48 | B4gder | we're done now |
| 14:10:50 | JdGordon_ | the voice download link shuold go there also |
| 14:10:53 | B4gder | you can go home |
| 14:11:02 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: I have no idea :( http://rafb.net/p/SpKWcN55.html |
| 14:11:06 | B4gder | JdGordon_: good idea |
| 14:11:13 | | Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) |
| 14:11:22 | JdGordon | manual also maybe? just for completness |
| 14:13:40 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: will generate a new patch... one moment |
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| 14:18:15 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: the lines removed by the patch from arcotg_udc.c don't match what svn has |
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| 14:21:03 | * | jhMikeS supposes he can just remove the file reference from the patch |
| 14:22:22 | jhMikeS | patched fine |
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| 14:30:10 | austriancoder | fixed patch: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/Thu%20Aug%2016%2014:19:54%20UTC%202007.patch |
| 14:30:58 | JdGordon | 6 min to make all 3 cross compilers :D 3 of them was downloadign gcc :p |
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| 14:31:49 | petur | wow |
| 14:31:55 | B4gder | that's a mighty speed |
| 14:32:15 | petur | my dual-core laptop needed 20 minutes.... |
| 14:32:28 | DerPapst | o.O |
| 14:32:32 | * | DerPapst jealous |
| 14:34:23 | daurnimator | ooo |
| 14:34:29 | daurnimator | JdGordon: how is the new pc? |
| 14:34:35 | daurnimator | oh, #rockbox-community :P |
| 14:34:48 | JdGordon | nice n fast :) |
| 14:35:35 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: I only need logf, or DEBUG too? |
| 14:35:43 | jhMikeS | errors in core.c |
| 14:35:59 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: only logf |
| 14:37:32 | jhMikeS | usb_ch9.h is missing too |
| 14:37:43 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: one moment |
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| 14:43:14 | * | aliask is having some strange issues with queues and doesn't know how to debug |
| 14:43:28 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/Thu%20Aug%2016%2014:35:25%20UTC%202007.patch |
| 14:44:45 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: just looking at the patch I spotted some errors with the timeouts. besides, they really should be changed back to udelays like MrH had |
| 14:45:39 | jhMikeS | USEC_TIMER usage even |
| 14:45:53 | austriancoder | USEC_TIMER? |
| 14:47:05 | aliask | It's a hardware timer on the portalplayer chips which increments once every microsecond. |
| 14:48:05 | bluebrother | B4gder: how about adding a "don't forget to fetch the manual" to the current build page? ;-) |
| 14:48:23 | B4gder | yeah I'll add pointers to manuals and voices |
| 14:48:27 | amiconn | preglow: I have no idea. If the input impedance is not too low, it should work |
| 14:48:36 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: If you give me an example how to use it, I can change to USEC_TIMER |
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| 14:48:40 | bluebrother | didn't think of voices, yeah :) |
| 14:48:46 | austriancoder | aliask: thanks for the info |
| 14:49:01 | bluebrother | but the new page is nice. Much cleaner for users |
| 14:49:02 | amiconn | Did you try recording without deemphasis, and then applying it on a pc with a known-good program? |
| 14:49:49 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: it's right in MrH's code. the names are a bit different but you can just put the timer_expired stuff back in. |
| 14:50:08 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: okay.. |
| 14:50:33 | amiconn | preglow: Regarding eq - the arm eq (and treble/bass) implementation seems to be kinda inefficient. Just treble/bass makes ogg playback skip (sometimes) on PP5002, even though with linear output, there's quite some headroom left... |
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| 14:51:08 | amiconn | Perhaps it's just on PP5002 because of the broken cache, and some function should be in iram? |
| 14:51:59 | jhMikeS | e200 doesn't have trouble with tone controls at all |
| 14:53:02 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: this one's compiling ok :) |
| 14:53:48 | * | n1s spots an additional slew of voice bugs :-( |
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| 15:03:18 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: if this works I take it I should be seeing a clean connect and a recognized device? |
| 15:05:26 | * | aliask wants jhMikeS to say "Well, it looks like it works" |
| 15:05:36 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: You should see in logf a line like "result from driver: 0" |
| 15:06:50 | jhMikeS | getting - values |
| 15:08:19 | smail | hello i'm trying to compile rockbox for elio but when executing the makefile i got an error with debug_menu.c |
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| 15:08:31 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: -116 == -ETIMEDOUT | -95 == -EOPNOTSUPP (unhandled usb reqeust) |
| 15:08:44 | B4gder | smail: you mean the full rockbox, not just the bootloader? |
| 15:09:03 | B4gder | as I doubt it builds for elio |
| 15:09:15 | smail | what is the difference ? |
| 15:09:24 | B4gder | the bootloader is tiny and is made to load rockbox |
| 15:09:29 | jhMikeS | basically -116 |
| 15:09:35 | smail | ok |
| 15:09:38 | smail | i see |
| 15:10:17 | B4gder | smail: elio is still an early port for rockbox |
| 15:10:25 | smail | i now |
| 15:10:25 | B4gder | and nobody works very much on that front |
| 15:10:36 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: all I see is -116 for a result. no -95 |
| 15:10:56 | smail | i wanted to see if i could help |
| 15:10:59 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: I should have the new timing code ready in some minutes |
| 15:11:02 | B4gder | smail: but a first step is to get the bootloader to load and display something for example |
| 15:11:22 | smail | directly on the elio |
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| 15:11:37 | B4gder | yes, there is no other way |
| 15:11:53 | linuxstb_ | smail: Does the Elio bootloader still compile and run? |
| 15:12:18 | smail | ok let me explain what i've done till now |
| 15:12:28 | linuxstb_ | I don't think Rockbox ever compiled for the Elio - the port never reached that stage. The next step is getting the LCD working... |
| 15:13:01 | smail | i've managed to make the rockboxdev.sh to work |
| 15:13:05 | smail | so i have |
| 15:13:19 | smail | the compiler |
| 15:13:20 | jhMikeS | aliask: btw, I'll sure make that known! |
| 15:13:43 | * | aliask is really looking forward to USB |
| 15:13:45 | smail | then i downloaded the svn |
| 15:14:48 | smail | but when runing the makefile |
| 15:15:01 | smail | i got some errors |
| 15:15:26 | smail | is there anything i could start with ? |
| 15:16:22 | B4gder | smail: did you run configure and select to build a bootloader? |
| 15:17:20 | aliask | Anyone familiar with the queue code, I'm getting stack overflows after initialising the button queue, but I don't know how to trace the cause. Any ideas? |
| 15:17:54 | smail | i've been trying to compile all the rockbox |
| 15:18:03 | B4gder | smail: don't |
| 15:18:09 | smail | ok |
| 15:18:09 | jhMikeS | aliask: since when does that ever happen? |
| 15:18:12 | B4gder | or if you do, you're up to some editing |
| 15:18:29 | B4gder | smail: aren't you reading what we type? |
| 15:18:37 | smail | it's ok |
| 15:18:43 | B4gder | both me and linuxstb already said this |
| 15:18:59 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: is usleep (mrh) == udelay (rb) ? |
| 15:19:00 | linuxstb_ | smail: It doesn't work. All that works is the bootloader, which is a stripped-down version of Rockbox (it uses the same drivers). So my approach to the port was to write enough drivers for the bootloader to work, and then move on to Rockbox. But the first step wasn't finished - I got stuck with being unable to get the LCD working. |
| 15:19:08 | aliask | jhMikeS: Well, since the first time I ever tried doing a button_init() - gigabeat S stuff |
| 15:19:22 | smail | ok |
| 15:19:27 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: I believe so...I'll peek again at that |
| 15:20:30 | linuxstb_ | smail: If you look at bootloader/elio.c (I think, maybe it's tpj1022.c) then you'll see what little it does, and what debugging info it's creating. It can write to the disk and detect some button presses, but that's about all... |
| 15:20:39 | jhMikeS | aliask: queues really don't use much stack at all |
| 15:21:44 | smail | i know it might sound crazy but where do i start |
| 15:21:45 | smail | ? |
| 15:22:08 | jhMikeS | one sure stack overflow source is debugging with splash screens. they take 512 bytes minimum for their buffer. |
| 15:22:39 | linuxstb_ | smail: With building the bootloader and installing it... Then you need to a) Become familiar with the Rockbox source code (i.e. do a lot of reading, but feel free to ask specific questions here); b) Start reverse-engineering the original firmware (i.e. read the disassembly...) |
| 15:23:39 | aliask | jhMikeS: I've been using debugf for my debugging, and commenting out queue_init(&button_queue, true); stops the stkov |
| 15:24:12 | smail | any links to start with ? |
| 15:24:37 | linuxstb_ | For what? |
| 15:25:24 | smail | disassembly ? |
| 15:26:38 | jhMikeS | aliask: that's called on the main thread, right? stkov shouldn't be a factor. queue_init really takes no stack to speak of. |
| 15:27:24 | linuxstb_ | smail: This page (by Bagder) has some useful info about MI4 files (the format used for the Elio firmware) - http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
| 15:27:51 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: usleep/udelay are basically equivalent it seems. |
| 15:28:15 | linuxstb_ | smail: The "arm-elf-objdump" command listed on that page will give you a very basic disassembly. IDA Pro is also a useful tool. |
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| 15:28:40 | LinusN | aliask: maybe the button event array is too small, and button_init() overwrites the stack, which happens to be after the button event array in memory? |
| 15:28:41 | aliask | jhMikeS: Yep, called from main thread iiuc. Any ideas as to how to track down the source of the stkov? |
| 15:28:51 | B4gder | smail: and if you didn't do disassembly on ARM before, you probably want to read up on the ARM instruction set etc |
| 15:29:11 | aliask | LinusN: Sounds promising |
| 15:31:40 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/using_usec_timer_usb.patch - new error code -5 == -EHWCRITICAL (sending failed) |
| 15:31:51 | * | jhMikeS wonders if gcc has any nice feature to zero-init every stack allocation to catch otherwise undetectable stkov (large buffer mostly unused kind) |
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| 15:32:55 | B4gder | there is a -fstack-check ... |
| 15:32:56 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: does that count as an improvement in any way like moving to another level of difficulty? |
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| 15:33:45 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: makes it easier - i hope |
| 15:34:04 | austriancoder | JdGordon: do you have some time for some a settings menu question? |
| 15:35:05 | JdGordon | shoot |
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| 15:37:13 | austriancoder | JdGordon: I have an linkes list of struct and in the struct is a member called name. Now I want an option to select one of the items from the linked list by choosing an item descriped by the const char* member name. |
| 15:38:29 | JdGordon | is this for debugging? |
| 15:38:35 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: yup, -5 |
| 15:38:54 | JdGordon | im not really sure what you want, but whipping up a custom list handler sounds like what you want |
| 15:39:05 | austriancoder | JdGordon: nope.. i have an linked list of all aviable usb device drivers. and via menu i want to choose one |
| 15:39:21 | aliask | LinusN: Where's the button event array declared? |
| 15:39:49 | linuxstb_ | austriancoder: I think the new shortcuts plugin may do something very similar. |
| 15:40:15 | austriancoder | JdGordon: with the function usb_device_driver_bind("serial"); I can tell the usb stack to use the serial driver. |
| 15:40:28 | austriancoder | linuxstb_: ahh.. will have a look at it, thanks |
| 15:41:27 | LinusN | aliask: in the queue code |
| 15:41:42 | LinusN | the button event array is in fact a queue |
| 15:41:53 | JdGordon | austriancoder: the settings code wasnt really designed for that... |
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| 15:42:57 | * | jhMikeS wonders what file implements the ->request call |
| 15:43:07 | aliask | LinusN: Aren't all queues equal in size? How can one be too small? |
| 15:43:08 | austriancoder | JdGordon: I see.. |
| 15:43:15 | LinusN | aliask: beats me :-) |
| 15:43:37 | aliask | :) |
| 15:43:56 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: firmware/usbstack/driver/usb_serial.c |
| 15:44:17 | austriancoder | JdGordon: what options do i have? |
| 15:44:31 | JdGordon | umm... |
| 15:45:12 | * | amiconn sends his daily reminder for elio and av300 port to linuxstb |
| 15:45:32 | austriancoder | JdGordon: 1) hardcoded 2) can i give an array of char* to the settings code? |
| 15:45:43 | LinusN | aliask: care to share the code with me? |
| 15:46:04 | aliask | LinusN: I'm about to commit what I have to the gigabeat-s branch |
| 15:46:09 | LinusN | ok |
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| 15:49:04 | JdGordon | austriancoder: sorry, im a bit too tired to be usefull tonight |
| 15:49:17 | amiconn | aliask: Queues cannot be too small. All standard queues are 16 entries deep iirc. If more events queue up, the first ones will just get overwritten |
| 15:49:42 | amiconn | The only exception is the talk module, which has a special queue that is 64 entries deep |
| 15:49:47 | austriancoder | JdGordon: no problem.. maybe i will find a way, and if not i will ask you again ;) |
| 15:50:59 | carlos1234 | miepchen^schlaf: is on this channel only engish the languege? |
| 15:51:33 | petur | carlos1234: english only, yes |
| 15:52:41 | carlos1234 | maybe thisone is not the rightone for me ;-) |
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| 15:55:37 | carlos1234 | petur: from where do you come? |
| 15:55:57 | petur | carlos1234: .be |
| 15:56:35 | austriancoder | JdGordon: I think we could extend settings api as FILENAME_SETTING shows a list of files in a defined dir - or? If so, then I only need to have a ARRAY_SETTING where I can choose an element from a defined array. |
| 15:56:41 | aliask | LinusN: It's committed, go nuts :) |
| 15:57:27 | JdGordon | austriancoder: if you can hard code it it will be the easiest... |
| 15:57:38 | markun | carlos1234: maybe www.rockbox-lounge.com |
| 15:58:12 | carlos1234 | petur: I am from blackforrest |
| 15:58:22 | austriancoder | JdGordon: i could, but a "dynamic" solution would be nicer... |
| 15:58:28 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 15:58:47 | JdGordon | you want to save it as a string? |
| 15:58:57 | JdGordon | ... in the settings struct |
| 15:59:14 | * | DerPapst doesn't know if it is really necessary to translate "schwarzwald" |
| 15:59:26 | B4gder | ah, finally a commit |
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| 15:59:35 | austriancoder | JdGordon: yup.. |
| 15:59:37 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: this still isn't setup to use the GPIO USB interrupt? |
| 16:00 |
| 16:00:11 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: nope.. but feel free to add it :) |
| 16:00:37 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 16:01:07 | JdGordon | austriancoder: wouldnt you rather save it as an int? |
| 16:01:17 | JdGordon | and then have a conversion table? |
| 16:01:37 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: I had an problem that irq_src was often 0x0 with irq stuff |
| 16:02:03 | LinusN | aliask: i can't see anything obvious |
| 16:02:14 | B4gder | hah, the complete failure of mine isn't too visible... |
| 16:02:25 | DerPapst | ;) |
| 16:02:36 | DerPapst | the zeros? |
| 16:02:40 | B4gder | yeah |
| 16:03:10 | aliask | LinusN: Thanks for looking |
| 16:03:20 | B4gder | adjusted for next commit |
| 16:03:29 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: it looks like it should plug in now. I wonder if things just aren't timely enough. |
| 16:03:57 | austriancoder | JdGordon: no.. as every driver is identified with an const char* and not with an int - see http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/using_usec_timer_usb.patch struct usb_device_driver |
| 16:05:04 | * | DerPapst looks at "broken?" below the jiggabeat F and sansa e2XX on http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 16:05:18 | JdGordon | austriancoder: can you add an int identifier for the drivers? |
| 16:05:33 | JdGordon | storing an int means no exxtra hacks to get it woorking |
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| 16:06:12 | austriancoder | JdGordon: okay |
| 16:06:23 | B4gder | DerPapst: still? |
| 16:06:24 | carlos1234 | markun: thx |
| 16:06:43 | JdGordon | austriancoder: so how far have you got with it? what works? |
| 16:06:54 | DerPapst | B4gder: nope |
| 16:06:59 | DerPapst | it's fine now :) |
| 16:07:01 | B4gder | DerPapst: that can happen if you fetch the page exactly when those zip files are being downloaded, over the old name |
| 16:07:06 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: in the datasheet there is nothing about timings |
| 16:07:09 | carlos1234 | i´ll try this |
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| 16:07:37 | DerPapst | B4gder: aha. ok |
| 16:07:58 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: well, I do recall something about 3ms |
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| 16:09:24 | amiconn | B4gder: Do you think it's a good idea to split the battery voltage tables and put them into target tree? |
| 16:09:41 | B4gder | amiconn: yes, that sounds clever to me |
| 16:09:46 | amiconn | And if so, should I call the files battery-<target>.c or powermgmt-<target>.c? |
| 16:10:13 | B4gder | doesn't matter to me |
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| 16:11:14 | austriancoder | JdGordon: how should a convertig table look like? any examlpe? |
| 16:11:33 | amiconn | I'll put the adc->voltage conversion there too, since the simple scale factor method doesn't work for the 1st/2nd gen build |
| 16:11:54 | amiconn | (factor is different for 1st and 2nd gen) |
| 16:12:50 | JdGordon | austriancoder: hmm... actually thats no good... I think for the mean time you shuold do your own handling for it and use the FILENAE_SETTING item |
| 16:12:51 | amiconn | Someone is eating up my green deltas :| |
| 16:12:55 | JdGordon | s/item/macro |
| 16:13:29 | jhMikeS | austiancoder: spinlock_lock is not an irq safe function. functions that serialize with the interrupts should use int oldlevel = set_irq_level(HIGHEST_IRQ_LEVEL);/set_irq_level(oldlevel); |
| 16:13:52 | austriancoder | JdGordon: own handling... hmmm.. where to start |
| 16:14:12 | JdGordon | austriancoder: im not really sure how to nicely display the list names... how important is this bit? |
| 16:14:38 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: okay... me learned something new |
| 16:15:36 | austriancoder | JdGordon: In the moment there is only one "driver" - a test driver, but in the next days there will be one or two device drivers |
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| 16:16:46 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: interrupts don't need to call those of course since it's already in interrupt mode. just regular code to keep interrupts from happening when it can't have them. |
| 16:16:53 | JdGordon | can you use the filename macro untill sunday? ill whip up something for you then |
| 16:17:11 | austriancoder | JdGordon: jup.. sounds fine |
| 16:17:13 | JdGordon | .... just remind me or ill forget (send me an email on saturday) |
| 16:17:58 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: so i need to do the set_irq_level in usb_arcotg_dcd_irq and it should be okay? |
| 16:18:03 | JdGordon | bed time, ttyl |
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| 16:21:22 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: you shouldn't need to there but in normal code that shares data with the interrupt where having an interrupt would corrupt the data if it accessed it at the same time |
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| 16:23:10 | Llorean | Ave: I've tried Vorbis, MP3, Flac, and SPC without experience the bug. |
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| 16:32:05 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: Here is my try with interrups: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/Thu%20Aug%2016%2016:24:22%20UTC%202007.patch - But i get lot of BAD IRQ logf entries |
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| 16:42:20 | * | Llorean just noticed B4gder / Bagder's ohloh tag says 10000 commits. |
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| 16:42:49 | B4gder | I need to stop committing now with such a fine number there |
| 16:42:54 | DerPapst | 1/3 of them are "Oops"-commits :P |
| 16:43:34 | Llorean | Or get another 15k in or so, for an even prettier number. :-P |
| 16:44:10 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: The GPIOB_INT_LEV must be flipped on every interrupt |
| 16:45:17 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: flipped... and how do i this? |
| 16:46:30 | jhMikeS | you were returning before executing the GPIOB_INT_LEVEL = ... code |
| 16:51:52 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: now i only get "BAD IRQ" |
| 16:52:08 | jhMikeS | not me |
| 16:52:33 | jhMikeS | but something seemed like it was acting better before |
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| 16:53:33 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: can you show me a diff? |
| 16:53:42 | austriancoder | svn diff |
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| 16:56:59 | jhMikeS | sure, one sec. weren't the interrupts coming correctly right after the initial use of them?> |
| 16:59:26 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: I have no idea... |
| 17:00 |
| 17:04:02 | jhMikeS | http://www.pastebin.ca/659783 <= some was just tweaking but enabling all USB irqs |
| 17:04:12 | jhMikeS | s/but/by |
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| 17:23:20 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: do you have figured out something about the tx problem? |
| 17:23:28 | JavaMan22 | Add theme installation. This relies on a modified server script so the themes site need to incorporate the changes. |
| 17:23:42 | JavaMan22 | does this mean themes will work now |
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| 17:24:27 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: are you interested in my beginning-of-a-merge of MoB into playback.c ? |
| 17:24:46 | Nico_P | if you are, I can push a few changes to my plublic git repo |
| 17:24:55 | ie | Will RB work on Sansa e 250? It's not listet on the RB front page but... |
| 17:25:23 | rasher | ie: That's a "E200" series |
| 17:26:06 | ie | rasher: ah, I missed the word "series"! So I assume the answer is "yes", no? |
| 17:26:14 | ie | :-) |
| 17:26:15 | rasher | ie: Yes |
| 17:26:43 | rasher | I don't believe an E200 even exists. They're all E2x0 afaik. |
| 17:28:42 | ie | rasher: ok. Do all of them have the FM radio? |
| 17:29:01 | jhMikeS | austriancoder: not yet. it's kind of early for me on this one. |
| 17:29:17 | rasher | ie: I don't know. You can check the DeviceChart wiki-page for details. (or Sandisk's own pages of course) |
| 17:29:27 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: is it actually running now? |
| 17:29:38 | ie | On one page describing E250, FM wasn't mentioned. This doesn't mean though that it doesn't exist |
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| 17:29:44 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: hell no ! I started changin playback.c today |
| 17:30:04 | jhMikeS | I thought there was a tester plugin (never tried it) |
| 17:30:28 | Nico_P | the testing plugin works fine, including real MoB |
| 17:30:48 | Nico_P | but now I'm merging all this into playback.c |
| 17:32:02 | ie | rasher: from the SanDisk site: "No FM-tuner (and no FM-recording) is available in Europe" This should also be mentioned on the wiki page (it isn't atm) |
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| 17:34:12 | rasher | ie: Actually, I'm unsure whether this is a hardware difference or simply disabled in software. A Sansa guy should probably weigh in right about here. |
| 17:34:19 | * | rasher pings Bagder |
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| 17:36:56 | * | JavaMan22 pings rasher |
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| 17:44:14 | rasher | JavaMan22: ? |
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| 17:46:00 | austriancoder | *g* |
| 17:46:17 | * | JavaMan22 wishes rockboy would be faster |
| 17:50:42 | indro | hi all |
| 17:52:28 | JavaMan22 | hi |
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| 17:52:56 | indro | how can I boot in disc mode? |
| 17:53:47 | indro | any idea? |
| 17:54:20 | JavaMan22 | reset |
| 17:54:27 | JavaMan22 | then hold play and center |
| 17:55:33 | indro | thx, it booted automatically in disc mode when I plugged in usb cable. |
| 17:55:52 | indro | but I played tomorrow with a few settings, now it doesnt boot in disc mode. |
| 17:56:01 | indro | any idea what It worked anymore? |
| 17:56:35 | indro | is that a setting, which? |
| 17:57:53 | indro | eww, the usb cable was not plugged in right.. |
| 17:59:42 | indro | I unpacked the puckman zip into /.rockbox/pacman |
| 17:59:52 | indro | but when I want play pacman it says, no roms found. |
| 17:59:55 | indro | any idea whats wrong? |
| 18:00 |
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| 18:00:43 | indro | I have pukcman.zip from here: |
| 18:00:45 | indro | http://www.romnation.net/srv/roms/24549/mame/PuckMan-Japan-set-1.html |
| 18:00:48 | indro | is that a valid rom? |
| 18:01:04 | indro | JavaMan22: ping. ;) |
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| 18:04:28 | indro | hi divo |
| 18:04:31 | divo | Hey |
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| 18:05:56 | divo | Your site states that rockbox works on the SanDisk Sansa 200-series... Doest that include the "E280"? |
| 18:07:02 | JavaMan22 | indro |
| 18:07:11 | JavaMan22 | you reset your ipod by holding menu and center |
| 18:07:23 | JavaMan22 | when it is about to start up again hold center and play |
| 18:07:46 | divo | I've got a good offer on the 8gb model (25% off) but I'd like to know wether it supports rockbox. |
| 18:08:04 | JavaMan22 | you can check the checksum with cygwin :o |
| 18:08:18 | indro | JavaMan22: I got that. what is with the packbox? any idea why is not working? |
| 18:08:21 | indro | *pacbox |
| 18:09:01 | JavaMan22 | "pacman.zip" and "puckman.zip" |
| 18:09:04 | JavaMan22 | you need both |
| 18:09:23 | indro | ohh, okay.. |
| 18:11:18 | indro | This rom is not available for download. It is protected by the ESA. |
| 18:11:27 | indro | can any one point me to a mirror or send me the file? |
| 18:12:08 | indro | pacman.zip |
| 18:12:47 | JavaMan22 | just keep searching on google youll find eventually |
| 18:15:30 | indro | found this: http://downloads.kingpinforever.com/maps/dmmaps_N-S/pacman.zip.info.html |
| 18:15:34 | indro | but still not working. :/ |
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| 18:17:22 | indro | trying next one.. ;) |
| 18:18:13 | indro | still no luck.. |
| 18:18:38 | JavaMan22 | ok ill upload a copy for you |
| 18:18:52 | indro | would be nice. |
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| 18:19:49 | JavaMan22 | http://conflictonline.net/pacman.zip |
| 18:20:58 | DerPapst | Good bye |
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| 18:21:57 | indro | works, thanks! :) |
| 18:22:02 | JavaMan22 | :o |
| 18:23:59 | indro | any idea where are the keybindings for rockboy saved? |
| 18:24:10 | indro | I want them reset to default values. |
| 18:25:09 | austriancoder | is it possible to put a thread in suspend mode? |
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| 18:31:49 | petur | indro, JavaMan22: please do not conduct illegal activities in here (sharing of copyrighted material) |
| 18:32:41 | JavaMan22 | lol |
| 18:33:01 | JavaMan22 | you just got here... what are you a spy? |
| 18:33:17 | Nico_P | pondlife: anything against "bufgetid3" in the buffering API ? |
| 18:33:17 | petur | fyi, the ip address of indro plus the illegal link are logged so that wasn't very clever either |
| 18:33:29 | pondlife | Nico_P: Yes, a bit |
| 18:33:29 | petur | JavaMan22: this channel is logged |
| 18:33:33 | JavaMan22 | true |
| 18:33:42 | JavaMan22 | it wont happen again petur |
| 18:33:43 | Nico_P | pondlife: why ? |
| 18:34:10 | Nico_P | maybe not in the plugin API then, but I think this kind of helper will become handy |
| 18:34:18 | pondlife | Nico_P: I'd prefer it if it was entirely generic, so bufgetid3 would sit in a layer above it. A very thin layer, certainly |
| 18:34:54 | Nico_P | pondlife: it does use bufgetdata... it's just a wrapper |
| 18:35:05 | pondlife | That's exactly why it shouldn't be included. |
| 18:35:15 | JavaMan22 | lol i feel like a criminal now :( |
| 18:35:28 | Nico_P | pondlife: makes sense... but where should I put it then ? |
| 18:35:35 | pondlife | No idea :) |
| 18:35:57 | pondlife | But it's more a metadata function than a buffering one, no? |
| 18:36:08 | Nico_P | yes |
| 18:36:11 | pondlife | Keep each API as small as possible. |
| 18:36:38 | pondlife | "Less doors and less windows makes for a more secure house." |
| 18:36:40 | Tak | how optimistic should I be about the cowon d2 porting effort? ( http://tinyurl.com/ypxg2a ) |
| 18:36:56 | Nico_P | pondlife: maybe in metadata.c then ? |
| 18:37:02 | Nico_P | hmm |
| 18:37:12 | Nico_P | I'll keep it in playback.c for now |
| 18:37:17 | pondlife | lol |
| 18:37:29 | pondlife | That's the way of playback.c.... it doesn't give up without a fight. |
| 18:37:36 | Nico_P | pondlife: interested in my start of a merge ? |
| 18:37:57 | pondlife | Always. Not that I have much time for code reading at the moment. |
| 18:38:03 | pondlife | But happy to try running stuff |
| 18:38:23 | Nico_P | it surely does not run... or even compile for that matter |
| 18:39:00 | pondlife | :) |
| 18:39:20 | pondlife | brb |
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| 18:41:07 | austriancoder | jhMikeS: if you get tx working, please send me an mail with the working code... |
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| 18:58:57 | bluebrother | Domonoky: did you find any new bugs? ;-) |
| 18:59:26 | Domonoky | bluebrother: no i was working, didnt have time for rbutil :-) |
| 18:59:58 | bluebrother | ok ... I'll be busy the next couple of days, so I hope everything is fine. |
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| 19:00:42 | * | Domonoky will also be away over the weekend.. so lets hope everything is ok, or noboy notices it, if it isnt :-) |
| 19:05:26 | bluebrother | btw, I built a static binary with a threads-disabled qt. Should remove the dependency on mingwm10.dll and creates a 3MiB smaller binary |
| 19:05:43 | bluebrother | (which gives a 2.5MiB binary once upx'ed) |
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| 19:06:28 | Domonoky | nice.. and it works without problems without thread support ?? |
| 19:06:47 | bluebrother | well, I haven't found issues in my quick test. |
| 19:07:04 | bluebrother | I put a binary online: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/ |
| 19:07:55 | Domonoky | one issue, but not a problem: you resize the theme images, and because of this, they dont look really nice anymore.. |
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| 19:08:12 | bluebrother | I thought about adding a "show original size" button |
| 19:08:23 | bluebrother | but I really don't like resizing the windows. |
| 19:09:31 | Domonoky | yes the resizing window isnt nice.. but perhaps only scale down.. ( no upscaleing) and a show Fullsize button for the downsized images.. |
| 19:09:53 | Domonoky | showing the image fullsize in a small dialog |
| 19:10:18 | alienbiker99 | whoever changed the dailybuild page, it looks a lot better now that they are all sorted once agai |
| 19:10:42 | bluebrother | hmm, might be an idea. |
| 19:10:50 | bluebrother | well, gotta run now. |
| 19:10:53 | bluebrother | cu later |
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| 19:58:06 | parafin | i'm getting no luck compiling rockbox on gentoo :( i used gcc 4.0.3 ,binutils 2.17 and 2.16.1 |
| 19:58:24 | parafin | with 2.17 i got error about missing .got section |
| 19:58:33 | parafin | with 2.16.1: |
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| 19:58:39 | parafin | /usr/libexec/gcc/arm-unknown-linux-gnu/ld: section .got [0000000000000000 -> 0000000000000003] overlaps section .text [0000000000000000 -> 0000000000060883] |
| 19:58:57 | parafin | what is this section? |
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| 20:00:47 | Domonoky | looks like your compiler is not correctly configured.. it should be gcc-arm-elf not arm-unkown-linux-gnu i think.. |
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| 20:01:26 | Domonoky | you can use rockboxdev.sh to build the correct crosscompilers and binutils.. |
| 20:01:47 | parafin | i don't thing it matters, it's just crossdev script makes binaries with this names, i just fixed Makefile to use them |
| 20:02:17 | desowin | parafin: do you used crossdev? |
| 20:02:22 | ender` | crossdev generated arm-elf-gcc for me |
| 20:02:23 | parafin | yes |
| 20:02:27 | Domonoky | but its not working, so it could matter.. :-) |
| 20:02:52 | parafin | ender`, what command exactly did you use? |
| 20:02:54 | desowin | crossdev -s1 −−gcc 4.0.3 −−target arm-elf |
| 20:03:00 | parafin | hmm |
| 20:03:01 | desowin | pabs: that way? |
| 20:03:06 | desowin | oopsss |
| 20:03:10 | ender` | hm, it's been a while |
| 20:03:13 | desowin | s/pabs/parafin/ |
| 20:03:18 | parafin | i used −−target arm |
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| 20:03:24 | parafin | i'll try with arm-elf |
| 20:04:03 | ender` | i don't remember what i used, but it did create cross-arm-elf directory in /usr/local/portage |
| 20:04:11 | * | Domonoky bets with arm-elf you dont get this strange section .-) |
| 20:04:26 | parafin | i hope so :) |
| 20:05:27 | ender` | btw, my arm-elf-gcc is 4.0.4 |
| 20:06:30 | parafin | i think rockbox can be built even on 4.2.0 - i get no errors prior that one with gcc-4.2.0 |
| 20:06:59 | ender` | since i run a build server, i followed the recommendations |
| 20:08:13 | Domonoky | google tells .got section is the Global Offset Table, sounds like relocateable loading.. so something not needed for rockbox :-) so thats definitly from the -gnu gcc/binutils version.. |
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| 20:11:48 | petur | XavierGr: fire troubles? |
| 20:12:33 | XavierGr | petur: somewhat, but there is no forest in crete to burn :P |
| 20:13:02 | petur | yes there is.... |
| 20:13:32 | XavierGr | well no "real" forest like the mainland of Greece |
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| 20:15:44 | parafin | i have question about "anti-skip buffer size" preference. I don't quiet understand what it does, 'cause if i set it to 5 sec, my ipod don't spin up every 5 sec... |
| 20:16:28 | petur | parafin: it's the minimum length of music to keep in buffer |
| 20:16:41 | parafin | ah |
| 20:16:47 | petur | rockbox always tries to buffer as much as possible |
| 20:17:01 | parafin | that's good =) |
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| 20:20:08 | Tak | if I ever visit greece, I will wear this shirt: http://tinyurl.com/gkche |
| 20:31:14 | parafin | hooray, now it compiles fine, thanx |
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| 20:35:30 | parafin | btw, ipod make click sounds without headphones with original firmware, there is some kind of speaker in there? |
| 20:36:16 | Domonoky | parafin: yes, a small tweeter.. |
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| 20:39:44 | parafin | how can i shut down ipod so it would resume playing when i switch it on? it stops first and than shut downs, so resume doesn't work... |
| 20:40:30 | Domonoky | there is a resume on startup setting.. please have a look at our very good manual :-) |
| 20:41:58 | parafin | yeah, i enabled it, i found the problem |
| 20:42:12 | parafin | i was testinf without headphones |
| 20:42:29 | parafin | and i enabled "don't resume when no headphones" =) |
| 20:42:36 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 20:47:10 | linuxstb | parafin: Or just pressing PLAY when you boot will resume the previous playlist. |
| 20:48:48 | parafin | it's coincidence, that there is exactly 200 pathes in tracker or not? :) |
| 20:50:00 | petur | it's been worse... |
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| 20:53:42 | parafin | btw, there is bug in mp3_encoder plugin - in menu where you select bitrate, scrolling doesn't woek correctly |
| 20:53:48 | parafin | ^woek^work |
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| 20:55:44 | petur | parafin: if not already in the tracker, feel free to post a bugreport |
| 20:56:10 | parafin | ehhh, i'll have to register |
| 20:57:05 | petur | yes |
| 20:57:35 | petur | do give a valid mail address so that you can be contacted in case of questions |
| 20:58:03 | petur | and if you ever plan to write patches, we have a real name policy... |
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| 21:26:04 | just_asking | hiya guys, reading the rockbox page, i still do not know if the Archos 404 is supported. Can anyone help me with this? |
| 21:26:18 | scorche | does it list that under supported units? |
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| 21:26:32 | amiconn | tsk |
| 21:26:43 | scorche | 14 seconds with that one |
| 21:27:10 | * | scorche goes about finally getting to the themes site |
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| 21:28:38 | iarwain_ | hiya, can anyone help me? I can't seem to find if the Archos 404 is supported or not.. |
| 21:28:46 | scorche | does it list that under supported units? |
| 21:29:15 | iarwain_ | i don't think it is |
| 21:29:25 | iarwain_ | lost the page where it says |
| 21:29:26 | scorche | then what gives yout he impression that it might be? |
| 21:29:30 | scorche | www.rockbox.org |
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| 21:30:43 | iarwain_ | sorry for bothering ^^ |
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| 21:32:44 | petur | oh, that was the same provider as me |
| 21:34:30 | amiconn | A rather large provider in .be I presume? |
| 21:34:48 | petur | one of the two biggest |
| 21:34:52 | Tak | they should upgrade it to ssh.be ;-) |
| 21:35:27 | petur | they have cable, the other big one is ADSL |
| 21:36:39 | amiconn | eurgh |
| 21:36:57 | * | amiconn notices that most ipods don't have their proper battery type defined |
| 21:37:33 | amiconn | Only video and nano do. The others use BATT_LIPOL1300 "inherited" from the irivers |
| 21:39:18 | amiconn | Hmm, and that creates a problem for my powermgmt target tree split |
| 21:39:52 | amiconn | All ipods starting from 3g can use the same code except the battery tables, because they all use pcf50605 |
| 21:40:07 | amiconn | So my "one file per target" approach needs a bit of modification... |
| 21:43:47 | mexicankiller | Hi guys,any advance on the sansa R? |
| 21:44:54 | scorche | progress is posted in the appropriate thread on the forum |
| 21:47:15 | * | parafin is going to have a very nicely patched rockbox :) |
| 21:48:06 | mexicankiller | ok |
| 21:49:50 | mexicankiller | I'm going to check things about the sansa |
| 21:51:13 | mexicankiller | is there a way to reformat and re-partitionate the sansa memory? |
| 21:52:30 | scorche | are you referring to the actual storage of the device? |
| 21:52:53 | amiconn | Bagder: around? |
| 21:52:59 | Bagder | yes |
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| 21:53:45 | amiconn | A question regarding (C) of source files - when I am going to split out the various pattery tables from powermgmt.c - are all the new files (C) the author(s) of powermgmt.c? |
| 21:54:06 | Bagder | yes |
| 21:54:09 | amiconn | There will be 14 additional files |
| 21:54:57 | mexicankiller | scorche:I mean to reformat it and then after that make it look as it was |
| 21:55:24 | amiconn | Well, it feels a little wrong. Most of those tables didn't exist back when the original author(s) wrote the code |
| 21:55:46 | Bagder | amiconn: if they're wrong, then correct them... |
| 21:56:07 | amiconn | Eh? The tables aren't wrong |
| 21:56:14 | Bagder | the (c) texts |
| 21:56:32 | amiconn | powermgmt.c is Copyright (C) 2002 by Heikki Hannikainen, Uwe Freese |
| 21:57:41 | amiconn | I want to split out the various voltage tables. Most targets (and hence most tables) didn't even exist back when powermgmt.c was written |
| 21:58:10 | rasher | Shouldn't it be relatively simple to see who wrote which tables, and write correct (c) lines in the new files? |
| 21:58:16 | rasher | svn blame powermgmt.c |
| 21:58:27 | amiconn | But I also don't know which author(s) provided the various tables |
| 21:58:48 | Bagder | I don't think you need to make it complicated |
| 21:59:07 | Bagder | those files that have clear inheritance from the existing file get the original (c) |
| 21:59:10 | amiconn | rasher: If you do that on current svn, all of them will show me, due to my centivolt->millivolt change |
| 21:59:14 | Bagder | if the files are more or less new, add a new (c) |
| 21:59:51 | rasher | amiconn: ah, true enough.. you could do it on an old revision I guess (of course the same could be true of that) |
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| 22:00:43 | amiconn | They are clearly inherited from the existing file, but they rather clearly inherit contents the original authors never wrote |
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| 22:00:52 | amiconn | That's my problem... |
| 22:01:38 | Bagder | there's "ram usage" logged now for the delta table... |
| 22:02:07 | Bagder | it'll an interesting dilemma to add that ;-) |
| 22:03:04 | amiconn | And they will be much smaller in the beginning (just the voltage tables for that target plus voltage reading (a one-line function for most targets), but I hope to be able to split other target specific stuff from powermgmt.c later |
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| 22:03:53 | amiconn | ...for example the charging algoritm: It is recorder v1 *only* (and also only very little of the original code left - most was replaced by gvb) |
| 22:04:16 | amiconn | (Gerald Van Baren) |
| 22:04:59 | amiconn | runcurrent() is another candidate |
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| 22:39:07 | parafin | gcc-4.2.0 doesn't work... |
| 22:39:39 | parafin | well, will use suggested 4.0.3 |
| 22:41:19 | scorche | there are reasons we recommend versions... |
| 22:41:54 | pixelma | n1s: you around? |
| 22:42:26 | n1s | pixelma: yes |
| 22:44:27 | pixelma | do you know why the VOICE_EXT_UCL string was removed (for the flash files on archos)? Is there now a more generic string, seems I cannot find one... |
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| 22:46:22 | n1s | pixelma: It wasn't used anywhere? |
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| 22:48:07 | amiconn | Bah, cleaning up ifdef hell is revealing bugs |
| 22:48:29 | pixelma | n1s: are you sure? I can't imagine it wasn't but cannot tell for sure as I almost always used spelling of filenames... |
| 22:49:00 | amiconn | E.g. on archos fmrecorder/recorderv2, the NiMH charge curve was used to estimate battery percentage during charging. No BATT_LIION2200 charge curve exists yet |
| 22:51:09 | pixelma | n1s: but you are right, in the langV2 patch I still have lying around (version 24) - the only occurence of it was in the old english language file |
| 22:51:24 | pixelma | wonder what happened to it |
| 22:52:47 | n1s | pixelma: It can of course be added back in if it's wanted, have you looked at what strings are good to exclude from the hwcodec targets? |
| 22:53:35 | amiconn | The VOICE_EXT clips are used with file number voicing to tell the type |
| 22:54:07 | amiconn | VOICE_EXT_UCL should be in use on hwcodec, for rockbox flash files (.ucl) |
| 22:55:08 | pixelma | yes, sure. Where has it gone - the langV2 patch "only" removed it from the english.lang - nowhere else... |
| 22:56:16 | amiconn | Looks like it was lost from filetypes.c at some point. Should be readded imo |
| 22:56:27 | * | amiconn hugs baregrep |
| 22:56:53 | pixelma | n1s: I only had a quick look, nothing obvious. At the moment I'm looking at the german language file, thought that was also important |
| 22:57:14 | * | n1s has correct voiceing of dB settings :-) |
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| 23:00:56 | pixelma | n1s: the only thing I noticed is one of the low battery warnings (I always confuse them but for the non Li-* batteries only one is used) that would exclude it for most Archos (except RecorderV2/FM-Rec but I don't even know how it works there) |
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| 23:03:33 | DWSR | What's everyone's favourite media player software for Windows? |
| 23:03:46 | scorche | what does that have to do with rockbox? |
| 23:04:06 | DWSR | Rockbox is a media player software. |
| 23:04:16 | DWSR | I'm looking for alternatives to iTunes. |
| 23:04:36 | rasher | Again, what does that have to do with rockbox? |
| 23:04:49 | DWSR | Everything. |
| 23:05:01 | scorche | well, obviously we are missing the connection |
| 23:05:09 | DWSR | obviously. |
| 23:05:20 | scorche | so do you mind explaining that connection? |
| 23:05:49 | DWSR | Yes. I'm thouroughly lazy. |
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| 23:06:38 | scorche | i feel enlightened |
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| 23:08:44 | amiconn | grrrr |
| 23:09:46 | parafin | it's so cool to have opensourced firmware, but it's so tiring to update all those great patches to last snapshot... |
| 23:10:37 | scorche | well, someone has to... |
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| 23:11:20 | parafin | i must disclose my real name even to post updated patches or only new one? |
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| 23:16:20 | parafin | why .bmp files isn't opened by default with rockpaint? |
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| 23:20:51 | petur | parafin: if you do more than just sync to current svn you should, as we add your name to the credits when the patch is accepted |
| 23:21:14 | parafin | i see |
| 23:22:21 | amiconn | wha |
| 23:22:22 | parafin | dict2 patch doesn't work :( data abort at ... |
| 23:22:23 | amiconn | *whoa |
| 23:22:53 | petur | wha(t)? |
| 23:22:53 | amiconn | Voice association for .ucl seems to be gone for a really long time. |
| 23:23:39 | amiconn | Hmm, and I know why - it got removed with plugin association |
| 23:24:16 | amiconn | The .ucl extension is associated with a plugin. Hence it does have an icon, but the extension isn't voiced anymore |
| 23:24:32 | amiconn | Gone in r4677, Fri May 21 20:08:24 2004 UTC |
| 23:24:43 | amiconn | 3 years+ |
| 23:25:09 | amiconn | So removing VOICE_EXT_UCL from english.lang was correct |
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| 23:27:30 | pixelma | aha |
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| 23:37:52 | amiconn | Bah, another 2 targets with the charge curve bug |
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| 23:54:32 | malsyned | Is it possible to adjust the scroll rate on the file browser or get it to have acceleration, like the iPod scrolling does? |
| 23:55:13 | parafin | you mean not on ipod or what? |
| 23:56:05 | amiconn | markun (or other gigabeat coder): The S3C2440 ADC is 10bit ? |
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| 23:57:52 | parafin | rockbox behave strange when i connect usb cable - it show that usb connection screen but sometimes doesn't reboot |
| 23:57:57 | parafin | 50/50 |
| 23:58:14 | petur | I think that's a known issue |
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