| 00:00:01 | DefineByte | ithe iPod video definitely does (don't have a nano). there's a post on flyspray saying Slasheri figured out the registers for it. probably rubbish though. |
| 00:00:06 | * | amiconn is still not 100% sure what's the best way to implement that |
| 00:00:16 | DefineByte | linuxstb said it. :D |
| 00:00:37 | linuxstb_ | And it was rubbish - Slasheri later said he hadn't |
| 00:00:48 | Nico_P | amiconn: didn't know about memoserv, I'll check it out |
| 00:00:49 | DefineByte | ah well. ^^ |
| 00:00:49 | austriancoder | amiconn: I am looking for a place to call usb_stack_shutdown(), which unloads current used driver, shutsdown controller... |
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| 00:01:02 | amiconn | Nico_P: /msg memoserv help |
| 00:01:08 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
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| 00:02:04 | amiconn | austriancoder: Wouldn't it be better to do that on disconnect rather than just on shutdown? |
| 00:02:22 | amiconn | Would save battery power, maybe quite a bit |
| 00:02:46 | * | amiconn remembers the power drain from the isp1362 on H300, until he figured out how to shut it down |
| 00:04:37 | amiconn | Ideally the chip will be run in a mostly-asleep configuration, just enough to detect a connection. If a connection is detected, it would then be powered up completely in order to do its work. And on disconnect it would be put to sleep again |
| 00:04:47 | austriancoder | amiconn: on a disconnect I do a usb_stack_stop, which stops the controller, but on shutdown I am doing this: http://rafb.net/p/EOTFbu65.html |
| 00:06:03 | austriancoder | amiconn: so on shutdown I tell the current used usb device driver to kill him, free the linked lists and do a call to controller->shutdown (which gets removed, as its not needed, i think) |
| 00:06:27 | petur | is there any reason not to do the shutdown on disconnect? |
| 00:07:07 | amiconn | On a regular shutdown I wouldn't bother doing that. It would be necessary for suspend though |
| 00:07:41 | amiconn | Right now I wouldn't bother at all, first the stack needs to work |
| 00:07:49 | austriancoder | petur: on the disconnect I call usb_stack_stop(), which turns of the used controller.. on usb_stack_shutdown i clean up things |
| 00:08:17 | austriancoder | amiconn: stack works... arcotg driver is buggy -> can not transmit responsed to usb requests |
| 00:08:57 | amiconn | How do you know that the stack works. Do you have another target+ driver to test with? |
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| 00:10:46 | DefineByte | okay, now i've confused myslef again. what does HAVE_BACKLIGHT_BRIGHTNESS tell me? |
| 00:11:51 | austriancoder | amiconn: no I dont have an other target, but the stack does only connect controller with driver and notify controller about irq... the real work, does the arotg driver, he checks if he can handle the usb request, if not push the request to the used device driver. If no one handels the request a stall happens.... so the stack is not the big bad boy... its the arcotg dirver -> so I would say the stack works... but device drivers are |
| 00:12:25 | preglow | irc doesn't like lines that long |
| 00:12:30 | preglow | you should split them up |
| 00:12:51 | * | amiconn only believes that something is working when he (or another dev) actually sees it working |
| 00:13:13 | * | petur is with amiconn |
| 00:13:24 | amiconn | Everything else is "should work in theory" |
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| 00:14:05 | austriancoder | amiconn: okay.. but I need help to get the $%"$%$% arcotg controller tx data... and as petur dont own an pp based target he can't help me that much |
| 00:14:19 | preglow | what target? |
| 00:14:20 | DefineByte | or 'heard it working' i guess. :) |
| 00:14:22 | petur | so, as my boss would say, you have 2 days and 2 nights to get it working :p |
| 00:14:34 | austriancoder | amiconn: but maybe you |
| 00:15:11 | austriancoder | preglow: pp based.. code works on e200 and ipod video with 64 mb ram - other are not tested |
| 00:15:20 | amiconn | I have some PP502x targets with usb, yes |
| 00:15:29 | preglow | only think i have that's pp is a nano |
| 00:15:37 | preglow | but i doubt i have the time to do testing |
| 00:16:00 | amiconn | It shouldn't matter which PP502x target, as long as it has usb (and all of them do afaik) |
| 00:16:28 | austriancoder | jhMikes tryed to help me last night... but he had problems with gpio interrups |
| 00:16:45 | austriancoder | amiconn: do you have time to help me? |
| 00:17:02 | DefineByte | does HAVE_BACKLIGHT_BRIGHTNESS equate to hardware pwm or somesuch? |
| 00:17:09 | amiconn | DefineByte: yes |
| 00:17:30 | amiconn | But it's of course only defined for those targets where we know how to use it |
| 00:17:37 | DefineByte | ty |
| 00:19:31 | DefineByte | yeah, the patch i'm looking at adds it for ipod video/nano for some reason. it's pretty dirty |
| 00:20:00 | amiconn | More precisely, it tells the app layer that the firmware layer can adjust brightness |
| 00:20:48 | amiconn | It doesn't define how this is done, but the only acceptable way is doing it in hardware |
| 00:20:56 | austriancoder | amiconn: you have put usb and fw detection/... into usb-fw-pp502x.c - is it okay, if i rename file back to usb-pp502x.c and come with a little fw api and put it into fw-pp502x.c ? |
| 00:22:43 | amiconn | I wanted to do that myself, in order to distinguish usb and firewire, but atm that's not done, and hence the function needs to report both connection types the same |
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| 00:24:36 | amiconn | When doing that, most of the current USB_* macros will be replaced by the more generic STORAGE_* |
| 00:25:14 | amiconn | (likewise for functions, except of course for the lowest layer, which will come in 2 flavours) |
| 00:25:42 | austriancoder | amiconn: okay... so i will not touch it and will leave it... as usb_enable(true) is only called by bootloader the stack will work when rb is started... later if fw and usb is seperated we can use the stack in the bootloader too |
| 00:26:17 | amiconn | The bootloader doesn't touch usb or firewire at all atm |
| 00:29:18 | DefineByte | so basically the patch detects whether the target is a video/nano and then creates software pwm routines for backlight brightness. acknowledgeing the fact that this isn't the best idea is their an official way to detect the target ()in the absence of CONFIG_BACKLIGHT? |
| 00:29:33 | DefineByte | i knid of feel dirty ofr asking it. :( |
| 00:29:44 | austriancoder | amiconn: ah.. yes I see... |
| 00:30:59 | amiconn | You wouldn't need that if you put the code in the target tree. But imo such a patch won't get accepted into svn |
| 00:31:55 | * | amiconn wonders whether there are similarities between firewire masstorage and usb masstorage classes |
| 00:32:17 | DefineByte | i think it's just a fudge till proper hardware pwn is discovered. |
| 00:32:52 | DefineByte | most people seem to find the iPod too bright so it was created I guess |
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| 00:34:01 | mexicankiller | Hi guys,any good news about the sansa port in general?,I'm a bit scared DEAN is getting closer and it may strike here in the next days :( |
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| 00:34:16 | amiconn | Then imho it would make more sense to try figuring out hardware pwm rather than doing a software pwm patch |
| 00:34:30 | scorche | mexicankiller: i have told you before where to look for progress... |
| 00:34:56 | mexicankiller | hmmm...ok,sorry |
| 00:35:05 | scorche | then again, i dont quite get what you are asking anyway |
| 00:35:28 | DefineByte | okay, if i was clueless on such matters but was willing to learn any good reading i could do? |
| 00:37:39 | DefineByte | the fack that i'm asking that question probably means i'm not the best person for the job, but hey. :) |
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| 00:40:42 | Derk | what's wrong with the sansa port? |
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| 00:42:29 | DogBoy | good question |
| 00:42:40 | DogBoy | what are you talking about mexicankiller |
| 00:43:12 | mexicankiller | erm |
| 00:43:18 | mexicankiller | refering to ? |
| 00:43:23 | mexicankiller | the sansa port? |
| 00:43:39 | DogBoy | that part was clear |
| 00:43:41 | DogBoy | what about it |
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| 00:44:46 | mexicankiller | is just that I wanted to now the a bit of the changes made to it |
| 00:47:29 | DefineByte | ah well, thanks for asking my stupid questions. good night all |
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| 01:10:54 | austriancoder | the usb mass storage driver will be of CBI type |
| 01:16:32 | petur | austriancoder: is that august 17 patch the latest/greatest? |
| 01:19:04 | petur | it applies (only one error) but doesn't compile |
| 01:19:48 | petur | linkedlist redefinition error |
| 01:23:07 | * | petur kicks austriancoder awake |
| 01:25:16 | petur | and regarding your comment in core.c line 68: are you planning to use overlays for driver loading? Maybe a bit overkill? |
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| 02:46:39 | einhirn | Well well, am I the last one not sleeping yet? |
| 02:46:56 | DogBoy | yes |
| 02:47:23 | einhirn | *g* |
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| 02:49:29 | einhirn | Anyway - Does anyone know "LANG_REPLAYGAIN_NOCLIP"? Somehow the compiler died on the Line in "settings_list.c" containing it. I already grepped the Source tree but didn't find it anywhere except in some language files... |
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| 02:52:58 | x1jmp | I have it in settings_list.c on line 897 |
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| 02:58:03 | pixelma | einhirn: it got excluded from the hwcodec settings (in english.lang) - somehow that slipped in there although I tried to keep that out there because someone said that replaygain could be made possible on hwcodec |
| 02:58:38 | einhirn | I'll check... ;) |
| 02:58:45 | pixelma | maybe it's excluded somewhere else to |
| 02:58:51 | pixelma | too even |
| 02:59:28 | pixelma | most of the other replaygain settings should be ok |
| 02:59:35 | einhirn | Yes they are... |
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| 03:00:59 | pixelma | IIRC, someone said that "prevent clipping" wouldn't be possible though as that means a "live check" all the time, or something |
| 03:01:34 | pixelma | but I'm not too much in the technical details, so... |
| 03:04:03 | einhirn | Thanks for the tip with the language files. |
| 03:05:04 | einhirn | Well Replay Gain Tags contain a nifty little feature "Peak value", so you wouldn't need to check the whole time, but could adjust the Gain so that the Peak Value doesn't clip. |
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| 03:09:28 | pixelma | you should discuss it with a more knowledgable person... noticing my very nifty phrasing, I should probably get some sleep |
| 03:11:46 | pixelma | night |
| 03:12:00 | DerPapst | night :) |
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| 03:57:39 | Gulopine | hello all |
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| 04:01:16 | einhirn | Hi Gulopine... |
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| 04:02:51 | Gulopine | just wanted to drop in and thank you folks for all the great work |
| 04:03:06 | Gulopine | i finally decided to put more on my ipod than what apple sent, and i'm pleasantly surprised |
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| 04:06:56 | einhirn | Yup, I'm mostly user too - and on one of the first Hardwares supported ;) I just hack into the source sometimes, hopefully implementing something I (and perhaps others) can use ;) |
| 04:07:10 | Gulopine | heheh |
| 04:07:29 | Gulopine | yeah, i'm not much good with c, so i doubt i'd be any good with helping |
| 04:07:41 | Gulopine | i'll probably try my hand at something in the future, but it's not my priority for now |
| 04:08:15 | Gulopine | i was especially impressed to see support for game music |
| 04:08:36 | Gulopine | i'm very pleased to put loads of nes and snes music on there without the extra space mp3 requires |
| 04:08:50 | einhirn | *g* Yes, and you can (probably) play Doom on your Ipod now ;) |
| 04:09:48 | Gulopine | yeah, but why would i want to do that? :( |
| 04:11:18 | Gulopine | i was a little disappointed that it doesn't support rsn packages for snes music, but life works that way |
| 04:12:07 | Llorean | When you've got a lot of space, and minimal CPU power, archiving them isn't as great a solution. |
| 04:12:29 | Gulopine | well, no |
| 04:13:00 | Gulopine | but when you download an archive of them in rsn format, which filenames stripped down, relying on id666 ... |
| 04:13:16 | Gulopine | it becomes a bit of a chore to extract and rename them |
| 04:13:21 | Gulopine | i haven't gotten around to doing that yet |
| 04:15:53 | Llorean | Also, multi-track RSN files are particularly bad for use on a portable. |
| 04:16:01 | Llorean | You have to decompress all the songs before the one you want to play. |
| 04:16:37 | Gulopine | understandable |
| 04:16:55 | Llorean | It's really a format that assumes you have a lot of processing power available. |
| 04:17:08 | Gulopine | i'm a big game music fan, so that's one area i'm interested in |
| 04:17:35 | Llorean | Well, it's really not likely to happen, and if it does I think most people (probably all those not using a Gigabeat) will simply find it unusably slow. |
| 04:17:48 | Llorean | You might want to get working on extracting your SPC collection. ;) |
| 04:17:59 | Gulopine | heh, no, i didnt mean i'm interested in rsn :) |
| 04:18:04 | Gulopine | i mean i'm interested in game music |
| 04:18:15 | Gulopine | i'm find extracting the collection, that doesn't really phase me |
| 04:18:21 | Gulopine | it was a momentary disappointment, nothing more |
| 04:19:21 | Gulopine | the only thing i might possibly think could be better is if nsfs could be resumed at a particular track |
| 04:19:47 | Gulopine | but i'm certainly not one to look a gift horse in the mouth |
| 04:22:10 | Llorean | I think NSF could still do with a few improvements, yeah. |
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| 07:26:32 | ptw | does anyone know if arcotg_udc.c implements device mode, or if it just implements usb otg? |
| 07:27:10 | ptw | nm |
| 07:28:26 | ptw | does it implement an ums class? |
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| 07:32:58 | aliask | I'm getting an error when compiling the main build: "rockbologo.h" missing. Rockboxlogo is supposed to be generated from the bmp file, but I guess it isn't. Anybody got ideas why? |
| 07:34:48 | ptw | have you gotten it to build before? |
| 07:35:00 | aliask | Not that I remember |
| 07:35:14 | amiconn | aliask: Is that for gigabeat S? |
| 07:35:18 | aliask | Yep |
| 07:35:33 | ptw | my first guess is maybe there is a typo in a file somewhere? |
| 07:35:48 | amiconn | What's the display resolution of the S? |
| 07:36:06 | ptw | 320x240 |
| 07:36:25 | amiconn | landscape? |
| 07:36:32 | aliask | Portrait |
| 07:36:55 | scorche | then it is 240x320 |
| 07:37:01 | amiconn | Hmm, so 240x320. But it should work as it's the same as for gigabeat F/X |
| 07:37:17 | aliask | Yeah, I checked the bitmaps/native/SOURCES and all seems to be in order |
| 07:37:30 | ptw | have you tried make w/ debug options? |
| 07:37:35 | aliask | But the makefile never does the BMP2RB stage |
| 07:37:43 | amiconn | make V=1 or sth |
| 07:38:28 | ptw | i had something similar happen previously, and it was a typo in one of the headers preventing the build....but it could be somethign else |
| 07:39:12 | aliask | I know something similar happens with sysfont.h if you have errors in the SOURCES files, but I can't see any. |
| 07:39:33 | ptw | try make w/ verbose enabled |
| 07:39:53 | aliask | Doing that now |
| 07:40:26 | * | amiconn wonders whether it's possible to test-build the gigabeat S branch |
| 07:40:40 | ptw | it build bootloader for sure atm |
| 07:40:41 | aliask | test-build? |
| 07:40:42 | * | amiconn never worked with svn branches so afr |
| 07:40:58 | aliask | Oh, as in add it to the build table? |
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| 07:41:13 | amiconn | I mean checking out from the branch and building myself, to see what happens |
| 07:41:42 | ptw419 | so, to ask my question again. does anyone know if arcotg_udc is only a usb otg driver? |
| 07:45:20 | ptw419 | udc=usb device controller... |
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| 08:09:50 | aliask | In a make file, does % act similarly to * (matches all strings)? |
| 08:10:57 | amiconn | How do I check out from a branch? |
| 08:11:35 | * | amiconn should probably read himself |
| 08:11:50 | aliask | Just as you would from trunk, but replace trunk with /branches/gigabeat-s (assuming you want the gigabeat-s branch) |
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| 08:16:40 | amiconn | The build already bails out in usb.c |
| 08:17:03 | aliask | That's an easy fix though, just need to add some key defines |
| 08:17:39 | aliask | Note that this is the first time i've ever tried compiling the "normal" build for the gigabeat s, so it's no supprise that it isn't really working. |
| 08:18:21 | amiconn | Yeah, but if firmware/ doesn't compile, how do you get as far as having a problem in apps/ ? |
| 08:18:45 | aliask | usb.c doesn't get compiled in the bootloader builds, so we'd never noticed it before |
| 08:19:50 | aliask | I just added the defines in my local build, it's just near the top of usb.c |
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| 08:20:21 | amiconn | There are several other errors on firmware. Even make -k doesn't get as far as compiling apps/ |
| 08:20:31 | amiconn | hmmm |
| 08:20:43 | amiconn | Maybe there's a problem in the generated Makefile |
| 08:23:41 | aliask | Hrm, odd - make -k built the bitmaps, whereas regular make didn't. |
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| 08:24:21 | amiconn | make -k doesn't stop on errors |
| 08:24:43 | amiconn | So tehre's an error before it comes to building bitmaps |
| 08:29:47 | aliask | Yep, I think I just found it, thanks for pointing me to make -k |
| 08:30:15 | amiconn | There are lots of warnings in other stuff, and errors in pcm_playback |
| 08:30:36 | * | amiconn wonders how merging from branches works |
| 08:31:02 | aliask | Yes, I'm not sure why other targets don't build pcm_playback - there are errors in the trunk version |
| 08:31:24 | amiconn | I mean errors in the gbs branch |
| 08:31:34 | amiconn | trunk builds fine for all targets |
| 08:31:53 | amiconn | Of course not all targets use pcm_playback. Only swcodec targets do |
| 08:32:11 | aliask | Yes, I know. I can't work out why, say the gigabeat f build, doesn't build pcm_playback.c, and only builds pcm-meg-fx.c |
| 08:32:58 | amiconn | Regarding the merge - I noticed that the branch has quite some stuff that's already reworked/moved around/replaced in the trunk |
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| 08:39:43 | ptw419 | we should merge it soon probably |
| 08:39:59 | ptw419 | to keep up w/ the current build |
| 08:40:24 | ptw419 | if we wait longer, it will probably break further when we try to a final merge |
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| 08:50:59 | linuxstb_ | ptw419: If I was you, I would merge as often as possible - especially when things change a lot in firmware/ (such as some of amiconn's recent commits) |
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| 08:53:46 | XavierGr | media coder is a fine gui front end for mencoder. Much easier to transcode many videos for my gigabeat |
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| 08:55:24 | Llorean | XavierGr: Tried WinFF yet? |
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| 08:56:23 | XavierGr | Llorean: not yet, do you think it is better than mediacoder? |
| 08:56:41 | Llorean | It's my personal favorite, though I'm sure tastes vary |
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| 08:57:22 | XavierGr | I will make sure to try it next time |
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| 09:07:22 | aliask | Is IRAM the same as ICACHE? |
| 09:09:28 | aliask | Never mind, I found what I was looking for. |
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| 09:14:48 | amiconn | petur: You peak release fix isn't entirely correct |
| 09:15:22 | amiconn | There used to be a unit, "units per read". |
| 09:16:34 | amiconn | We could add that unit to the list of units, but in fact I don't like that unit very much. The peakmeter should instead base its release behaviour on time, i.e. ticks, not a (target dependent and somewhat varying) readout rate |
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| 09:32:22 | XavierGr | Llorean: WinFF had problems transcoding my current files. Lots of errors and no support for subtitles. (maybe I got the errors because the video has 23.98 fps?) Though I have to say that it looks simpler and faster |
| 09:33:45 | Llorean | I don't know about subtitle support, honestly. |
| 09:33:57 | Llorean | As to your errors, it probably depends on how current your version of ffmpeg is |
| 09:34:40 | XavierGr | well technically they should have behaved the same given that they use the same mencoder commandline? |
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| 09:37:13 | Llorean | WinFF uses the straight ffmpeg binary. Is that what mencoder does? |
| 09:39:52 | XavierGr | it seems that mencoder doesn't use ffmpeg binary (I am not sure though) But Media Coder has both |
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| 09:49:52 | pixelma | morning n1s |
| 09:49:59 | petur | amiconn: I see... I will have a look at that peakmeter code |
| 09:50:04 | n1s | morning |
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| 09:50:33 | petur | austriancoder: awake? |
| 09:50:48 | pixelma | did you see my (kind of) question yesterday about the lang string of the "disk full" splash? |
| 09:51:10 | * | n1s reads the log |
| 09:51:47 | pixelma | I wondered where the "h100,h120,h300" has gone |
| 09:52:30 | n1s | hmm, I have no idea |
| 09:53:01 | linuxstb_ | XavierGr: mencoder uses the libraries from ffmpeg, but it is a standalone app in its own right. IIUC, it adds more video/audio processing features (i.e. all those present in mplayer) on top of core ffmpeg, so mencoder will give you far more options than just ffmpeg. e.g. I don't think ffmpeg can render subtitles, but mencoder can. |
| 09:53:26 | pixelma | n1s: before there were 2 different strings - one for the irivers (with the "stop" button) and one for the other recording devices (with "off" button) |
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| 09:53:59 | pixelma | I also found a few other thing in english.lang that I'd like to be changed |
| 09:54:05 | pixelma | *things |
| 09:54:57 | n1s | pixelma: ok, either tell me or change them yourself :-) |
| 09:55:55 | XavierGr | linuxstb: thanks for clarifying. At least know I know which utility to use. |
| 09:56:15 | amiconn | Hmm, the 1st gen draws a bit more power than the 2nd gen |
| 09:57:31 | pixelma | 1) I found 2 unused strings (VOICE_EXT_TXT, LANG_RECORD_CURRENT_DIR), 2) in LANG_BUILDING_DATABASE, you corrected the mentioned button for x5,m5 but it doesn't follow the convention of writing the button all uppercase |
| 09:59:04 | pixelma | n1s: 3) throwing out as suggestion: I thought "Keys locked" or "Keys unlocked" would sound better than "Keylock is ON/OFF" - what do you think? |
| 09:59:11 | n1s | pixelma: the lang v2 cleanup was what changed the LANG_DISK_FULL thing, will fix now, hmm wonder which button it is for other targets... |
| 09:59:51 | pixelma | n1s: you can find that in not updated lang files (for example deutsch.lang in SVN) |
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| 10:01:00 | amiconn | I also want to add some things regarding language: (1) We should decide whether we want to call it keys or buttons |
| 10:01:06 | n1s | pixelma: found it in the svn diff, but there's only a specific button for irivers, no iaudios, ipods or anything |
| 10:01:07 | pixelma | there is also a _SYSFONT_ version of the "disk full" splash |
| 10:01:13 | amiconn | (2) Hold is not a button or key, it's a switch |
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| 10:01:45 | n1s | Seems like it's time for some minor cleanup :-) |
| 10:02:09 | pixelma | n1s: for the rest there was a string that said "Press OFF to continue" |
| 10:02:18 | linuxstb_ | "button" seems better, but it's longer... |
| 10:02:32 | amiconn | I'd also vote for 'button' |
| 10:03:15 | pixelma | so that would make my suggestion "Buttons locked/unlocked" |
| 10:03:27 | n1s | pixelma: yeah I found it, but I want to add correct buttons for all targets while I'm at it so I wondered if OFF is correct for all others than the irivers? |
| 10:03:37 | * | n1s votes for button too |
| 10:04:08 | amiconn | Ah, the difference in power consumption is the wheel. Hence the enable bit... |
| 10:04:33 | * | amiconn made the hold switch disable the wheel in the G1/g2 button driver |
| 10:04:50 | linuxstb_ | So turning on hold will save power? |
| 10:04:50 | amiconn | That saves ~12mA (!) |
| 10:04:55 | amiconn | yup |
| 10:05:02 | amiconn | Just on 1st gen though |
| 10:05:07 | pixelma | it is OFF for Ondios... should be right for iaudios too (though haven't experienced it yet) but there only is the power off switch, no stop button |
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| 10:06:06 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I wonder how the OF handles that (if at all)... |
| 10:06:23 | pixelma | n1s: for Ipods that can record it should be STOP too, I guess? (Holding the play button)? |
| 10:07:09 | n1s | pixelma: I found the action, just have to check the keymaps |
| 10:07:17 | pixelma | ok |
| 10:08:29 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: Are you suggesting the message should be "Press STOP to continue" on ipods ? (or am I not following your conversation?) |
| 10:09:54 | pixelma | I don't really suggest that - what do you have to press to get out of the "disk full" splash on Ipods? |
| 10:10:33 | linuxstb_ | I've no idea... |
| 10:12:30 | pixelma | n1s: whil you're at it... what amiconn was especially aiming at with the button and hold switch is the LANG_BACKLIGHT_ON_BUTTON_HOLD would probably sound better as "Backlight on Hold" only |
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| 10:13:30 | n1s | pixelma: sounds ok to me, Hold or HOLD? |
| 10:13:41 | pixelma | linuxstb: on other devices it says "The disk is full. Press STOP to continue." (or OFF) |
| 10:15:16 | pixelma | n1s: I tend to think all uppercase would be more consistent but I'm not sure |
| 10:15:30 | amiconn | I'd use lowercase |
| 10:15:44 | amiconn | (since hold isn't a button) |
| 10:17:50 | pixelma | linuxstb: an opinion as native speaker on the keylock suggestion? |
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| 10:21:29 | pixelma | amiconn: but "buttons unlocked" wouldn't fit on the player's display but there's no possibility of shortening that... |
| 10:21:57 | amiconn | It sure fits... |
| 10:22:23 | amiconn | Splashes wrap as necessary, and it's just 2 words with <= 11 letters each |
| 10:22:45 | pixelma | ah ok, they wrap |
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| 10:23:56 | pixelma | so the different strings for player that are now are completely unnecessary |
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| 10:27:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: Hmm, I wonder how fast the wheel electronics are. Perhaps it's possible to only enable the wheel for a very short time per tick, and then only keep it powered (for a few ticks) if the value changed? |
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| 10:28:10 | amiconn | This would then also save power when hold is not enabled |
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| 10:33:18 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: What about just "Hold On" and "Hold Off" ? |
| 10:33:46 | linuxstb_ | pixelma: I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understood your question... |
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| 10:35:59 | n1s | linuxstb_: the keylock splash is for targets with no Hold switch |
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| 10:38:34 | preglow | 12ma for the wheel??? |
| 10:38:34 | preglow | damn |
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| 10:40:06 | amiconn | preglow: 1st gen... |
| 10:40:29 | amiconn | It's a mechanical wheel. Probably it's the pull up (or pull down) resistors) |
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| 10:45:17 | pixelma | linuxstb: if you record it could be that the harddisk fills up, if it is full, you get the mentioned splash (which stays there until you push the appropriate button to abort recording... I wondered which one it is on Ipods but if n1s said he found it in the code... |
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| 10:48:57 | n1s | pixelma: it's quite funny actually because the sysfont and the regular version can't have the same buttons, because the regular is only used when recording from radio it uses the ACTION_FM_STOP while the sysfont version is in the recording screen and uses ACTION_STD_CANCEL and those are not the same for all targets (sansa, x5, m5) and the regular version will never be displayed for ipods (no fm) |
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| 10:49:35 | pixelma | oh, I see |
| 10:57:03 | pixelma | amiconn: there? |
| 10:57:16 | amiconn | yes |
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| 11:21:17 | einhirn | Hi |
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| 11:24:28 | einhirn | Did the Developers take a look in the IRC Log of this night? At around 4am Gulopine dropped by to say thanks ;) |
| 11:25:01 | pixelma | hello einhirn, did you take out the restriction of LANG_REPLAYGAIN_NOCLIP being swcodec only in english.lang? Is that needed? |
| 11:25:24 | einhirn | Yes, that was needed to get it to compile with that menu entry. |
| 11:25:27 | einhirn | And it worked. |
| 11:25:51 | einhirn | I also took that restriction out of the other .lang files that still contained it. |
| 11:26:43 | einhirn | Now I just have to find a way to replace "dsp_set_replaygain()" with something that puts the correct data into the MAS ;) |
| 11:27:01 | pixelma | sure... they'll get updated anyways (I'm working on the german lang file ATM, that's why I thought of it when you asked ;) ). |
| 11:28:02 | einhirn | Ah, k ;) |
| 11:29:26 | pixelma | I had a few remarks on english.lang with n1s and he said he'll work on that, so I thought if it's really needed that could be changed in SVN right now, too... |
| 11:31:42 | petur | pixelma: he did already a commit this morning |
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| 11:32:51 | pixelma | thanks, didn't notice |
| 11:33:50 | pixelma | damn, I wanted to suggest that earlier too... :/ |
| 11:34:13 | n1s | pixelma: gtg now, but if you include that string for hwcodec targets remember to mention in the commit message that it will break voice files for hwcodec targets... |
| 11:36:12 | pixelma | maybe that has time until einhirn is a bit further with his patch, or at least until tomorrow evening when there is not such a big gap between commit and daily voice file builds |
| 11:36:43 | amiconn | wee |
| 11:36:52 | * | amiconn has dynamic wheel enable working on 1st gen |
| 11:37:27 | amiconn | 50 µs is enough to get a reading from the wheel, so it will only draw power for 0.5% of each tick, as long as it's not used |
| 11:37:46 | n1s | amiconn: nice! |
| 11:38:02 | amiconn | It then stays enabled for 1/4 sec after the last change |
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| 11:48:51 | pixelma | n1s: thanks for the quick reaction btw. :) |
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| 11:50:29 | * | amiconn likes all those extra power savings in rockbox vs. ipl :P |
| 11:51:37 | scorche | and the fact that it can boot twice in your case? ;) |
| 11:52:10 | amiconn | Never tried ipl on 1st/2nd gen |
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| 12:03:01 | einhirn | *grrr* |
| 12:03:25 | * | einhirn should have used a better editor for making his code changes. |
| 12:04:05 | einhirn | Proton messed up the whitespace - again (I had the same problem the last time I worked on the code)... |
| 12:04:34 | einhirn | Oh well, now I'll use Vim to start my changes from a clean SVN tree ;) |
| 12:05:44 | barrywardell | austriancoder: I was looking at your mrh_try7 patch |
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| 12:06:27 | * | petur wonders if austriancoder is already awake |
| 12:06:46 | barrywardell | I added back in the proper timeouts and jmp's and don't get timeouts in usb_send any more |
| 12:07:02 | petur | you mean it is sending? |
| 12:07:26 | barrywardell | I'm not totally sure, but it's getting to the end of usb_send without errors |
| 12:07:58 | petur | grrrr I made remarks in that direction already last month :( |
| 12:08:14 | petur | 'no change' was his response |
| 12:08:53 | * | amiconn also verified that the wheel enable delay has enough safety margin as units might differ somewhat |
| 12:09:06 | barrywardell | the timeouts definitely look wrong at least |
| 12:09:28 | amiconn | 20 µs were too short, 30 µs already worked on my unit. So I think 50 µs is a nice value |
| 12:09:33 | petur | yes, that was my thought too, which is why I asked him |
| 12:15:36 | barrywardell | petur: here's my updated patch: barrywardell.net/assets/files/mrh_try_barry.diff">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/mrh_try_barry.diff |
| 12:15:58 | pixelma | I hope I didn't miss something |
| 12:16:04 | barrywardell | I just took mrh_try7 and added the lonjjmp and timer stuff as was suggested on irc a couple of days ago |
| 12:16:47 | petur | barrywardell: thanks for putting time in this... I hope austriancoder comes around real soon... |
| 12:19:05 | * | barrywardell is keen to see USB support in PP targets |
| 12:19:31 | * | petur should have bought a pp target before gsoc :/ |
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| 12:21:30 | petur | would a H10 5GB do ok? I found one 2nd hand for 100 euro near my place... does that price sound ok? |
| 12:21:56 | barrywardell | that sounds pricey |
| 12:22:06 | Shadows1990 | Does anybody know if Rockbox has been complied successfully to the Elio P722 |
| 12:22:48 | barrywardell | but it would do just fine - it's a pp5020 |
| 12:23:50 | amiconn | The H10s seem to be quite pricey. I paid 87 EUR for mine |
| 12:23:57 | amiconn | (6GB, UMS) |
| 12:24:04 | Shadows1990 | i looked on the current releases, and there was some mention about it on the forums, but no actual complete build |
| 12:24:26 | petur | I'm offering him 75, let's see if he responds |
| 12:24:26 | Shadows1990 | does anyone know where i can find a working compile of it |
| 12:25:23 | petur | oh, I found another one for 50 :) |
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| 12:26:31 | barrywardell | petur: doing some more debuging here. I recive s->bRequest 0x6 (get descriptor), then send, then receive s->bRequest 0x5 (set address) |
| 12:26:55 | barrywardell | set address doesn't seem to be implemented yet though |
| 12:26:56 | Shadows1990 | Does anybody know about the Elio P722? |
| 12:26:59 | * | amiconn does actually deem usb device support on PP less important than usbotg support on H300 and X5 |
| 12:27:00 | petur | do you receive something on PC? |
| 12:27:47 | petur | amiconn: I'll resume usbotg work right after gsoc.... |
| 12:27:56 | petur | unless you want the code ... |
| 12:27:58 | barrywardell | actually, it does set the address at the end of the function |
| 12:28:21 | amiconn | Missing host support is an actual lack of features, while rebooting into OF diskmode is just a minor inconvenience (slightly slower than if it would stay in rockbox) |
| 12:28:55 | amiconn | However, an ipod video user might see things different because of the diskmode slowness |
| 12:29:06 | amiconn | H10 OF diskmode is also quite slow btw |
| 12:29:35 | amiconn | But then, our usb driver not only needs to work, it also needs to work fast to be a real advantage |
| 12:30:12 | barrywardell | petur: I don't get very useful usb debug messages on my mac |
| 12:30:23 | amiconn | Both mini G2 and 1st/2nd gen "emergency" diskmode are as fast as the OF's diskmode |
| 12:30:24 | barrywardell | petur: AppleUSBEHCI[0x42b4000]::Found a transaction which hasn't moved in 5 seconds on bus 253, timing out! |
| 12:30:44 | amiconn | (in fact on 1st/2nd gen the "emergency" diskmode *is* the OF's diskmode) |
| 12:31:27 | amiconn | ..i.e. the OF does the exact same thing as rockbox when detecting a firewire connection |
| 12:31:31 | barrywardell | amiconn: the thing that annoys me is that it is much slower to connect to usb because of the whole reboot proceesure |
| 12:31:48 | barrywardell | it's so much easier on e.g. the gigabeat |
| 12:31:52 | amiconn | barrywardell: On H10? Rockbox doesn't detect USB there... |
| 12:32:09 | barrywardell | it does,but in a strange way |
| 12:32:10 | pixelma | Shadows1990: work only started (*pointing to linuxstb* ;) ). There is no working copy for the Elio afaik |
| 12:32:24 | Shadows1990 | ahhh, thanks |
| 12:32:30 | amiconn | barrywardell: When I plug in USB while in rockbox, nothing happens |
| 12:32:40 | Shadows1990 | any idea how long itll be before a working copy is made? |
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| 12:32:43 | barrywardell | amiconn: holding SELECT while connecting should reboot, continue holding to get "emergency disk" mode |
| 12:33:01 | amiconn | Eh, why only when holding select? |
| 12:33:11 | pixelma | Shadows1990: no-one is actually working on it |
| 12:33:14 | barrywardell | I haven't found a way to automatically boot to bootloader disk mode |
| 12:33:25 | barrywardell | so you have to hold SELECT to get there |
| 12:33:26 | amiconn | I'd expect to hold a button when I do *not* want to go into diskmode, like on all other targets |
| 12:33:34 | Shadows1990 | why not? |
| 12:34:13 | barrywardell | amiconn: on MTP H10's, the only way to get to disk mode is to hold SELECT while starting up with USB plugged in |
| 12:35:02 | amiconn | Aha, hmm. Is it possible to distinguish MTP and UMS models from within rockbox? |
| 12:35:50 | pixelma | Shadows1990: (if I'm not mistaken). Well, ports are made by interested users/developers who own the player, so afaik only one dev has one and is also occupied by other things. I think the best info you could find is in the "new ports" forum thread, maybe - I don't know much more. |
| 12:36:12 | barrywardell | you could possibly read the mi4 header from H10.mi4. 010301 = mtp, 010201 = ums |
| 12:37:15 | Shadows1990 | ok, thanks for the info |
| 12:37:56 | amiconn | I also found descriptions how to convert an MTP H10 into UMS, even for H10 pure |
| 12:38:33 | barrywardell | but not for 20GB? |
| 12:38:34 | amiconn | (for non-pure it's a choice in the OF's firmware updater afaik - never needed that because mine already was UMS) |
| 12:38:57 | barrywardell | there never was a UMS version of the 20GB AFAIK |
| 12:40:09 | amiconn | Hmm, didn't check for the big model |
| 12:40:44 | amiconn | Converting the H10 pure (which also comes as MTP verison only) involves tricking it into flashing the non-pure firmware |
| 12:41:06 | amiconn | Then you'll get a useless radio menu in the OF :) |
| 12:41:42 | barrywardell | petur: here's a logfdump: http://pastebin.ca/662101 |
| 12:41:58 | barrywardell | petur: it looks like I'm still getting a timeout->port |
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| 12:42:33 | barrywardell | amiconn: unfortunately that won't work on my H10 because of different screen sizes, etc. |
| 12:42:55 | amiconn | Yes, obviously. |
| 12:44:32 | amiconn | Plugging USB while holding Select works, btw, I don't need to continue holding it once rockbox shows the USB logo |
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| 12:47:04 | barrywardell | maybe we should do something different for UMS models. the current setup makes the most sense for MTP only |
| 12:47:33 | barrywardell | unless austriancoder manages to get USB support into Rockbox soonish |
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| 13:12:41 | austriancoder | hi all |
| 13:14:51 | * | petur goes to lunch - brb |
| 13:17:27 | einhirn | Is there some specific reason for the indirection when calling "sound_set_X" in sound.c? |
| 13:20:53 | einhirn | I find it obscure that there is a Function "sound_set", that looks up a "sound_set_X", which in turn just calls another function like set_channelconfig and the like... |
| 13:21:26 | amiconn | There is a reason |
| 13:21:30 | einhirn | Ah ;) |
| 13:21:35 | einhirn | There had to be ;) |
| 13:21:47 | amiconn | sound.c is in firmware, and firmware isn't allowed to call app layer code, except via callbacks |
| 13:22:11 | amiconn | But the software tone control for swcodec targets without hardware tone control does reside in apps/ |
| 13:23:00 | amiconn | So swcodec registers these functions on startup. |
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| 13:24:09 | einhirn | Ok, Can I use "global_configuration.X" in sound.c? |
| 13:24:20 | amiconn | Nope |
| 13:25:15 | einhirn | Hmm. Then I have to devise some other way of setting Replaygain _and_ Channel Config/Stereo Width at the same time. |
| 13:26:06 | amiconn | Yes. Same thing as for volume/balance on almost all targets except MAS3587/MAS3539 |
| 13:28:27 | amiconn | You have one function per settable value, which only puts the changed value into a variable in sound.c, and then calls a common function that combines the values and applies them |
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| 13:30:42 | einhirn | Yes. I've seen that. |
| 13:31:29 | einhirn | So I need to add one setting for "Gain" - will I break something when I just define that? |
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| 13:36:30 | amiconn | No, but take care of the proper order. Array init will work even if you don't, but then it will have gaps, wasting (some) memory |
| 13:37:08 | amiconn | And I wouldn't just call it GAIN, in oder to avoid confusion with the recording gain values |
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| 13:37:30 | amiconn | SOUND_PLAYBACK_GAIN sounds reasonable imho |
| 13:40:34 | amiconn | Btw, implementing replaygain using the digital volume matrix will also apply it to s/pdif out. While that might be a good thing to do, it also reduces the level there. And unlike for analog, there's no extra +6dB to enable |
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| 13:43:00 | petur | austriancoder: what's the meaning of arcotg_udc.c line 642-644 (patch of barrywardell applied)? |
| 13:43:32 | austriancoder | amiconn: the linkedlist code i use in the usb stack was taken from linux kernel. And they are using prefetch to speed up things. Should we also use prefetch, if taget supports it? on arm targets it seems that pld is not suppoprted :( |
| 13:44:09 | * | amiconn has no idea what austriancoder is talking about |
| 13:44:22 | iwantanimac | hi all. Have there been any major changes to the WPS system in the past 6 or so months? I'm a little behind the times. |
| 13:44:29 | einhirn | amiconn: I already tried reducing the value in the digital volume control matrix and I can easily compensate the volume drop by cranking up the Amp. Actually I then use the same Volume range I use when Playing back something from my computer. |
| 13:44:55 | amiconn | The amp won't help with s/pdif out |
| 13:45:01 | amiconn | Obviously. |
| 13:45:56 | * | petur sees 6502 mentioned on the ML and gets some school flashbacks.... |
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| 13:47:28 | austriancoder | petur: looking if port reset finished |
| 13:47:56 | austriancoder | petur: i tryed barrys patch.. but I am getting lines like |
| 13:47:58 | austriancoder | usb 2-6: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 38usb 2-6: device descriptor read/8, error -71usb 2-6: device descriptor read/8, error -71 |
| 13:48:09 | austriancoder | on my linux machine |
| 13:48:12 | petur | yes, but why report timeout when the controller is no longer in reset? |
| 13:48:34 | austriancoder | petur: its not my code.. its mrh's work |
| 13:48:41 | petur | ah |
| 13:49:56 | iwantanimac | As well as my previous questions, did 'viewports' ever get implemented? |
| 13:50:12 | scorche | no it hasnt |
| 13:50:34 | iwantanimac | what ended up holding it back? |
| 13:50:41 | petur | time |
| 13:50:44 | scorche | and the wiki page MajorChanges will be of use to you |
| 13:51:11 | iwantanimac | alright. thanks. |
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| 13:57:52 | einhirn | amiconn: The Amp I was talking about was the one connected via S/PDIF |
| 13:58:52 | amiconn | Ah, ok |
| 13:59:55 | einhirn | But I can call sound_set(SOUND_PLAYBACK_GAIN,value) everywhere where dsp_set_replaygain() is called, right? |
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| 14:02:17 | einhirn | (I'll assume that for now ;) ) |
| 14:04:08 | petur | austriancoder: according to http://www.beyondlogic.org/usbnutshell/usb7.htm#Enumeration we're beyond the TX problem (we are up to step 5), but it seems (from line 510 in the code) that we're not handling the set address request? |
| 14:04:14 | amiconn | I would think so, but if you do that, it probably won't work |
| 14:04:40 | amiconn | the dsp_* functions are used on swcodec, not on hwcodec |
| 14:04:53 | amiconn | Hwcodec has a completely different playback engine |
| 14:05:14 | amiconn | I also wonder how you will handle the decoder delay |
| 14:05:49 | amiconn | It's not a constant delay, it varies with current bitrate |
| 14:06:28 | austriancoder | petur: I will implement the setadress thing.. then we will see |
| 14:06:35 | austriancoder | JdGordon: ping |
| 14:07:34 | petur | damn.. the h10 I was trying to get was sold this morning :( |
| 14:07:36 | einhirn | Oh, so just setting a new gain when the track changes could result in applying the gain of the next track to the last n seconds of the previous track. |
| 14:07:52 | amiconn | yes |
| 14:08:15 | amiconn | Not exactly second_s_, unless you consider using very low bitrates for music |
| 14:08:28 | austriancoder | petur: but we hang at step 4... host never gets device descriptor: usb 2-6: device descriptor read/8, error -71 |
| 14:08:41 | austriancoder | need to check what error code -71 means |
| 14:08:57 | amiconn | It's just that the MAS tries to keep its buffer full at all times, causing a delay that's inveresely proportional to bitrate |
| 14:09:56 | einhirn | Ok. I hope I can adress that problem later. First things first - I have to mangle global_configuration.replaygain* into one value thats passed to sound.c ;) |
| 14:10:23 | einhirn | (global_configuration and current track settings) |
| 14:10:58 | petur | austriancoder: no, read the comment below the steps: after the host has the first 8 bytes, it issues a reset and sets the address, then it asks the descriptor again |
| 14:11:23 | austriancoder | petur: okay.. I will try it |
| 14:13:00 | * | amiconn found a minor display bug on Player |
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| 14:14:47 | petur | austriancoder: I have to run off to some shops, back in 1-2 hours I hope... |
| 14:14:52 | scorche | austriancoder: http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2005-January/msg00305.html |
| 14:15:01 | scorche | that describes what error -71 is |
| 14:15:05 | austriancoder | petur: okay |
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| 14:15:51 | scorche | well, it doesnt describe definitively, but it is more than a number =) |
| 14:16:08 | austriancoder | it could be anything *g* |
| 14:16:15 | scorche | There is a lot of advice if you google for the specific error (e.g., "device descriptor read/64, error -71") but many of these links will say to remove the high-speed USB module with rmmod, disable USB in BIOS, and other low-level, potentially serious fixes. |
| 14:16:15 | scorche | I read in the Linux USB FAQ (see http://www.linux-usb.org/FAQ.html#ts6) that high-speed usb devices are much more sensitive to signal quality, and therefore cable defects. I figured it wouldn't hurt to try swapping out the cable before doing anything crazy, and what do you know! It worked! |
| 14:16:21 | scorche | " |
| 14:17:11 | JdGordon | austriancoder: pong |
| 14:17:15 | petur | scorche: I think my explanation above will be the cause... |
| 14:17:36 | scorche | petur: likely, just providing more info... |
| 14:18:23 | austriancoder | JdGordon: to descripte what I want in the settings code, i have done a drawing -> http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/soc002.jpg |
| 14:19:02 | JdGordon | ah yes... lemme finish this level in ghost rekon and ill get to work :p |
| 14:19:10 | austriancoder | JdGordon: I can give you a char* with all driver names "a,b,c" or I can give you the linked list |
| 14:19:13 | scorche | priorities! =) |
| 14:19:15 | austriancoder | JdGordon: okay ;) |
| 14:19:29 | JdGordon | a char* would be best.... but ill make it generic |
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| 14:33:26 | amiconn | gah |
| 14:33:36 | amiconn | 'make bin' doesn't rebuild rombox.ucl |
| 14:33:54 | * | amiconn stumbled on that, wondering why his fix didn't werk :( |
| 14:34:42 | * | petur fails to leave the house... |
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| 14:39:05 | DerPapst | heh.. locked yourself? ;) |
| 14:40:25 | einhirn | Seems like there is no real way to avoid duplicating most of the replaygain handling code - otherwise I'd surey break the SWCODEC ;) |
| 14:40:47 | petur | DerPapst: no babysitting a 2 month old which seems to like me more than my wife and didn't like me leaving ;) |
| 14:46:01 | amiconn | eh? |
| 14:46:05 | amiconn | Bagder: around? |
| 14:46:25 | amiconn | The build system didn't pick up my last commit... |
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| 14:51:34 | petur | amiconn: Bagder implemented some AI to ignore commits from certain people :p |
| 14:53:23 | amiconn | pffft |
| 14:59:42 | DerPapst | petur: aha :) |
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| 15:38:29 | parafin | tracker doesn't feel good in last time: Undefined index: 0 in /usr/share/flyspray/htdocs/includes/class.flyspray.php on line 344 |
| 15:39:05 | parafin | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7542 |
| 15:39:11 | parafin | for example |
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| 16:05:05 | petur | parafin: it does that from time to time... |
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| 16:06:12 | parafin | what does charge during USB connection option do on ipod video? |
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| 16:09:44 | petur | it's not in the manual? |
| 16:10:04 | parafin | no, as far as i can see |
| 16:10:13 | parafin | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch7.html |
| 16:10:30 | parafin | #x10-1110007.6.2 |
| 16:10:40 | petur | sorry, I'm not an ipod user... |
| 16:10:53 | austriancoder | petur: sending does not work - as in barrys patch there is everything which is needed... setting device address handling all essential usb requests.... |
| 16:12:05 | petur | austriancoder: sending must be working because the host will not try to set the address unless it received the first eight bytes... |
| 16:12:21 | austriancoder | petur: it will... when you do a stall |
| 16:12:28 | n1s | parafin: are you using an official build? |
| 16:12:49 | parafin | nope |
| 16:13:13 | austriancoder | petur: if sending works.. then barrys code should set device address and accecpt it.. but it doesnt |
| 16:13:27 | parafin | but this option is in official build |
| 16:14:05 | petur | austriancoder: best way to try is to comment out the code that tries to send. If we get the same packets from the host (first 6 then 5) then I'll believe it ;) |
| 16:14:06 | n1s | parafin: then it's unsupported, that option is not implemented for ipods in the official rockbox, I have no idea what it might do, it is however supposed to switch the usb charging to draw the maximum allowed current |
| 16:15:03 | Phill | petur: i'm trying barrys patch on my e200, and logging under Windows shows that the first 8 bytes are _not_ received. logf shows packet 6 sent twice from the host, and no packet 5. |
| 16:15:47 | petur | strange, barrys log showed both 6 and 5 being received |
| 16:16:18 | petur | -> http://pastebin.ca/662101 |
| 16:17:18 | Phill | barry is using a mac rather than windows though I think. That may explain the difference. |
| 16:17:29 | petur | ah |
| 16:17:39 | * | austriancoder is using linux |
| 16:18:39 | * | austriancoder is putting barrys code on his sansa and paste the log... |
| 16:25:12 | parafin | i can't understand, what's the difference between artist and album artist entries in database browsing... |
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| 16:29:36 | austriancoder | petur: http://pastebin.ca/662246 |
| 16:31:35 | petur | it has request '5' in there too... |
| 16:32:27 | austriancoder | and? |
| 16:32:44 | * | austriancoder wishes petur had an ipod or sansa |
| 16:33:18 | austriancoder | petur: with my borken sending code i get also two types of request... get descriptor and set address |
| 16:33:18 | * | petur is bidding on an h10 and keeps an eye on a sansa |
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| 16:34:35 | austriancoder | petur: I will continue to work on the storage driver... as i dont want more time one tx problem... I think mrh would be a great help |
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| 16:36:09 | petur | austriancoder: I'd rather have working TX as some proof of concept than a whole stack that hasn't worked at all. |
| 16:36:54 | austriancoder | petur: but I cant get it working by my own... |
| 16:37:04 | austriancoder | i need help |
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| 16:37:58 | parafin | ahh, i guess i understood what is album artist =) |
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| 16:40:38 | parafin | it seems that easytag doesn't support albumartist tag :/ |
| 16:42:01 | petur | parafin: iirc, there is a subtle difference between the two, so a track on an album can have a different artist (like xyz feat. ggg) |
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| 16:45:18 | JdGordon | austriancoder: sorry, new comp forceing me to play games instead of code... ill do it tomorow |
| 16:45:22 | * | JdGordon gones |
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| 16:45:41 | petur | boooo |
| 16:45:54 | * | petur doesn't like gamers |
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| 16:48:00 | n1s | any opinions on always representing dB values as dB*10 internally and do the scaling when displaying/talking or implement some kind of formatting system for spoken values too (as is implemented for displayed values in settings screens)? |
| 16:48:55 | petur | that would be cB then ;) |
| 16:49:02 | n1s | the problem that I'm trying to solve is that some dB settings are spoken as dB*10 so 2.5dB becomes 25 etc |
| 16:49:25 | n1s | petur: yeah but I don't think people would be happy with that :-) |
| 16:50:20 | petur | if there are some spots that use dB and others that use dB*10, I'm all for making that uniform |
| 16:50:33 | n1s | for eq, replaygain preamp etc it is represented in cB internally but for other things like volume, bass etc it's regular dB |
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| 16:57:56 | dionoea | Anyone familiar with a "iPod's LCD stays blank even if you plug the USB cable in" ? |
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| 17:01:45 | parafin | try resetting it |
| 17:02:09 | parafin | i had such problem |
| 17:02:24 | dionoea | hum, hardware reset fixed it |
| 17:02:30 | dionoea | thanks |
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| 17:06:59 | * | n1s curses the settings code... meh maybe JdGordon will be here tomorrow... |
| 17:15:29 | ender` | dionoea: which ipod? |
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| 17:16:09 | dionoea | video 30 GB (it's fixed now) |
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| 17:22:34 | einhirn | n1s: there are even internal representations of dB * 100 - I just stumbled across them: get_replaygain_int(...) in firmware/replaygain.c expects that as a value... |
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| 17:23:39 | einhirn | Still trying to figure out, what happens with the track/album gain values - they seem to be dB in 7.24 fixed point format. |
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| 18:02:29 | n1s | hmm, I was mostly thinking of the values of various settings, but interesting still |
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| 18:06:52 | einhirn | Maybe it's just me not being very adept with fixed point math, but according to my understanding it can't be right to simply multipy one 7.24 fixed point number with one 19.12 fixed point number... |
| 18:07:06 | n1s | but as always when dealing with the settings/menu code It made my head hurt and I coun't do it in a clean way so I gave up... |
| 18:07:23 | einhirn | hehe... |
| 18:07:39 | einhirn | yes, my head hurts too at the moment... |
| 18:07:53 | n1s | einhirn: no that doesn't sound right... |
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| 18:16:42 | einhirn | n1s: I'll google some and then hopefully wrap my head around it soon. But first: |
| 18:16:52 | * | einhirn has to take a break |
| 18:17:01 | einhirn | Later... |
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| 19:04:14 | thundergirl | hi people |
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| 19:46:16 | GRaTT | ping jdGordon |
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| 19:50:33 | GRaTT | I have updated FS7538 custom splash screen. There is NO DELAY for non custom splash screen users. |
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| 20:15:02 | GRaTT | hi chrisjs169 just wanted to let you know about the update for fs7538 |
| 20:15:33 | GRaTT | really wanted to get some attention for it and get it committed |
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| 20:25:24 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 20:25:57 | chrisjs169 | I'm looking at digital cameras right now (out of nowhere I decided I need a new one) but I'll add it shortly |
| 20:26:23 | DerPapst | get a dslr :P |
| 20:27:26 | DerPapst | anything else is crap imo</off-topic><on-topic> |
| 20:28:28 | chrisjs169 | <offtopic>I won't mind having one, but I dunno if I could spend 800 bucks on one</offtopic> |
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| 20:31:32 | DerPapst | it's really worth it. |
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| 20:34:11 | chrisjs169 | yeah |
| 20:34:20 | chrisjs169 | anything would be better than the one i have now |
| 20:44:05 | parafin | what's up with this bug: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5423 ? it's old but wasn't rejected or applied |
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| 21:21:36 | chrisjs169 | GRaTT: updated 7538 in my build |
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| 21:28:31 | GRaTT | cool. Have you had any feedback on it? |
| 21:29:17 | GRaTT | I mean on the custom splash screen in general. |
| 21:38:19 | chrisjs169 | I haven't put it on my Sansa yet, I'm testing a basic build at the moment |
| 21:42:53 | linuxstb | GRaTT: One bad thing I can see with your splash patch is that it's declaring a static buffer the size of the screen - on the 320x240 colour targets, this is 150KB (not insignifant). |
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| 22:21:47 | * | petur will be the owner of an H10-5GB in the near future |
| 22:22:12 | Bagder | oh, welcome to the PP target world! |
| 22:22:27 | petur | it was about time, I fear ;) |
| 22:23:15 | Bagder | that's your second target, right? |
| 22:23:35 | petur | yes |
| 22:23:53 | Bagder | unspoiled youth... :*) |
| 22:24:01 | petur | :p |
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| 22:27:23 | petur | the remaining work (apart from the common usb and power issues) are FM and recording, right? |
| 22:27:35 | Bagder | yes I think so |
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| 22:28:06 | petur | too bad it doesn't have a normal line-in connector |
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| 22:32:21 | Bagder | http://weblogs.java.net/blog/terrencebarr/archive/2007/08/java_on_the_ipo.html |
| 22:32:23 | Bagder | ... |
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| 22:35:23 | petur | errr... somebody has been adding java to rockbox? |
| 22:35:34 | petur | and dare to call it innovation... |
| 22:35:37 | Bagder | I don't think so, merely talking about it |
| 22:37:59 | petur | hah, right now they're only talking at the 'zune' level :) |
| 22:38:10 | petur | lots of bla bla |
| 22:38:54 | Bagder | haha, yeah |
| 22:39:02 | Bagder | my guess is that they'll remain there |
| 22:41:00 | petur | zune-level it is.... |
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| 22:52:48 | chadoh | hello? |
| 22:53:11 | chadoh | do you have rockbox on an ipod video? |
| 22:53:46 | parafin | yes |
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| 22:56:37 | petur | chadoh: I suggest you look around on rockbox.org and look at the manual |
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| 23:18:50 | shiftplusone | Hey, is it possible to send/receive stuff through the USB connector (on the ipod) yet? |
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| 23:21:44 | petur | shiftplusone: we're working on it |
| 23:22:07 | shiftplusone | petur, any luck? |
| 23:22:41 | petur | partial, sending seems to fail... austriancoder is the one to nag ;) |
| 23:22:53 | shiftplusone | I am not talking about files.... just 0s and 1s.... |
| 23:23:10 | shiftplusone | so... at this stage we can receive data, just not send it? |
| 23:23:35 | petur | yups |
| 23:24:25 | shiftplusone | I know this isn't the place to ask... but suppose it won't hurt... does ipodlinux have that support yet? |
| 23:24:35 | Sivart0 | doubtful |
| 23:25:18 | shiftplusone | ok, thanks. |
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| 23:29:41 | petur | we share lots of knowledge so if they had it working, we would have too |
| 23:30:04 | petur | it's an open source thing ;) |
| 23:30:38 | shiftplusone | didn't they have working ipod to ipod file transfer and such? |
| 23:31:01 | DerPapst | yes we have. |
| 23:31:07 | DerPapst | only firewire though |
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| 23:33:25 | shiftplusone | so... if I change my initial question..... would it be possible to to send/receive data via firewire through rockbox or is that support pointless or still needs to be coded? |
| 23:35:18 | DerPapst | afaik rockbox has no fiwi supprt yet. the pp5002 support is very young |
| 23:36:55 | shiftplusone | I take the yet as it's on someone's to-do list.... so is that for the purpose of file transfer form within rockbox without having to reset? |
| 23:38:04 | shiftplusone | *from >.> |
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