| 00:01:33 | ddalton | n1s: I am using an iriver h300 what do I need to include? |
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| 00:03:30 | n1s | ddalton: either you add h300 before the string in english.lang as is done for may strings already which are present for multiple targets/features or you edit features.txt to include the soft_shutdown feature for the h300, or all targets for that matter unless you are going to try to get the patch comitted, also this will brak your voicefile |
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| 00:04:27 | ddalton | n1s: what will break my voice file? |
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| 00:05:25 | n1s | ddalton: yes, because it will include a new string in the middle of the array which will ofset the ids the voicefile clips wil be in incorrect order and you will need to generate a new voicefile |
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| 00:06:40 | ddalton | n1s: can I just change the line soft_shutdown: "Shut down" to "Shut down"? |
| 00:07:24 | n1s | that would be *: "Shut down" but yeah, still breaks the voicefile thoufh |
| 00:07:32 | n1s | *though |
| 00:07:52 | ddalton | ok and then I can just build another voice file? |
| 00:07:58 | n1s | yep |
| 00:08:15 | * | amiconn wonders what ddalton is trying to do |
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| 00:08:52 | amiconn | Why put a shutdown command in the menu when there is proper shutdown with the Stop button which works from everywhere? |
| 00:10:56 | DerPapst | some people prefer a menu for that. |
| 00:11:42 | Llorean | Honestly, I'd prefer a shutdown option in the menu, and in the future for iPods at least, have Play/Pause suspend |
| 00:11:53 | DerPapst | i use "Stand by" in the Apple OF's rootmenu too instead of holding long play |
| 00:14:28 | amiconn | I happen to have the only target that does have (clean) shutdown from menu only, and it's really cumbersome |
| 00:14:44 | amiconn | ...especially since the main menu got introduced |
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| 00:23:51 | n1s | hmm, now why did rockbox save the value 87 for high frequency cutoff? made me think we had a voice bug when the display said 2000 and the voice said 87... maybe some leagal range checking should be introduced on settings, although it shouldn't have saved these values in the first place... |
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| 01:06:42 | linuxstb | Llorean: Did you lock that sansapatcher thread? |
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| 01:17:41 | Tempis | anyone here using a sansa e2xx |
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| 01:20:55 | n1s | Tempis: ask your question and maybe someone can answer |
| 01:21:48 | Tempis | I just installed rockbox on it and it initially started up fine, but now I get nothing on the screen |
| 01:22:26 | Tempis | also, can you make the font bigger? |
| 01:22:32 | n1s | Tempis: what happends if you press the menu button (whichever that is)? |
| 01:22:48 | DerPapst | yes you can |
| 01:22:48 | Tempis | ahh, you need to hold the button down for longer |
| 01:22:57 | DerPapst | if you have the font pack installed |
| 01:22:58 | n1s | Tempis: yes, install the fonts pack from the extras link on the frontpage |
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| 01:23:11 | n1s | then select another font |
| 01:23:41 | n1s | well, filebrowser in empty dir with no statusbar => empty screen |
| 01:24:19 | Tempis | also, only my mircosd card seems to be showing up |
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| 01:24:45 | Tempis | rockbox doesn't see anything I previously loaded |
| 01:24:55 | Tempis | or is that expected? |
| 01:26:03 | Febs | What type of music did you previously load and how did you load it? |
| 01:26:13 | Tempis | just mp3s |
| 01:26:29 | n1s | Tempis: try changing the "Show files" setting to "all" |
| 01:26:31 | Tempis | like which mode did I use? |
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| 01:27:18 | Tempis | ok, yeah its there now |
| 01:27:27 | Tempis | am I going to have to reload those files? |
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| 01:28:07 | Febs | No. But if the original firmware puts them in a hidden folder, you need to have Rockbox set to "show all" to see them. |
| 01:28:25 | darwin81 | What would you guys say is the best non-iPod player that has perfect support for Rockbox? |
| 01:29:01 | n1s | darwin81: no player has "perfect" support... |
| 01:29:32 | Febs | darwin81: it depends on what features you like. The iriver H100 series works great with Rockbox for playing music and recording, but does not have a color screen. |
| 01:29:34 | n1s | darwin81: it all comes down to what you want it to do |
| 01:30:42 | Febs | The Gigabeat works well and is relatively inexpensive (compared to similar capacity iPods). |
| 01:31:11 | darwin81 | Don't Archos players work the best? |
| 01:32:06 | n1s | darwin81: I've never used one myself but they have the most mature rockbox support... |
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| 01:32:19 | iamben | my sansa is pretty good too |
| 01:32:21 | n1s | but they are lacking in some areas |
| 01:32:52 | Tempis | everytime I the default firmware loads on the e2xx I get Refresh Database and it takes 30 seconds to a minute for it to complete |
| 01:33:02 | darwin81 | I was thinking a small flash based player. Any reccomendations? |
| 01:33:19 | n1s | namely avalability, size, format support... |
| 01:33:49 | n1s | darwin81: only three flash players are supported, Archos ondio, ipod nano 1G and sansa e200 |
| 01:34:21 | n1s | ondios are hard to get, and have only 128MB internal storage but can be expanded musin MMC cards |
| 01:34:26 | pixelma | ondio comes in 2 flavours - with radio and without |
| 01:35:24 | n1s | nano 1G works pretty well appart from some recent problems, should be easier to get available up to 4GB |
| 01:35:36 | n1s | sansa is easy to get up to 8GB |
| 01:35:43 | n1s | and available with radio |
| 01:36:19 | darwin81 | Sansa e200 looks nice. Any thoughts? |
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| 01:38:50 | Tempis | I like it so far |
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| 01:47:11 | dave | ''hey |
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| 01:47:30 | EnterUserName | whats the status of the RockBox on Nano 2nd generation |
| 01:47:40 | EnterUserName | is anyone working on it or is it been deemed lost cause :) |
| 01:50:03 | darwin81 | What's the most recenct Archos model that supports Rockbox |
| 01:50:31 | DerPapst | good night everyone :) |
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| 01:56:21 | scorche | darwin81: well, no recent Archos model =) |
| 01:56:32 | EnterUserName | lol |
| 01:56:38 | EnterUserName | any alpha test for 2nd gen? |
| 01:56:39 | EnterUserName | nano? |
| 01:56:41 | scorche | EnterUserName: AFAIK, no one is working on it, but we don't declare things "a lost cause" really... |
| 01:56:48 | EnterUserName | oh ok |
| 01:56:49 | EnterUserName | :) |
| 01:56:55 | scorche | and you dont need to repeat yourself.. |
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| 01:57:11 | EnterUserName | sorry :) |
| 01:58:22 | EnterUserName | Hmm well that sucks. So if i wanted to give an ipod as a gift its pointless cuz itunes software sucks bad. ;) |
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| 01:59:13 | scorche | not all people feel that way... |
| 01:59:27 | EnterUserName | Well can you play videos on Ipod Nano 2nd generation :) |
| 01:59:33 | EnterUserName | Or ogg files..or..flac .. |
| 01:59:42 | scorche | ask apple, not me... |
| 01:59:56 | EnterUserName | Heh..ok. What mp3 player would you suggest to buy |
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| 02:00:00 | EnterUserName | for RockBox? |
| 02:00:25 | Febs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 02:00:26 | scorche | well, that depends on what features you want... |
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| 02:04:06 | EnterUserName | hi |
| 02:04:12 | EnterUserName | is Sansa E280 supported? |
| 02:04:41 | EnterUserName | And does it have enuff cpu performance to play videos? |
| 02:04:41 | EnterUserName | :) |
| 02:06:27 | EnterUserName | I see on the web page it says its supported im trying to find out if it can handle videos (e200 series is supported) |
| 02:09:08 | EnterUserName | Any Sandisk e200 series user which they can say its a great product? im thinking of buying it |
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| 02:13:34 | iamben | i like mine |
| 02:14:09 | iamben | it plays mpegs just fine if you size them properly |
| 02:14:27 | EnterUserName | whats the usual size? And what does it mean when it says usb is not working? |
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| 02:15:25 | EnterUserName | 224x176-469kbps 224x128-354kbps |
| 02:15:27 | EnterUserName | :) |
| 02:15:35 | EnterUserName | so what does it mean when it says USB is not supported? |
| 02:16:08 | BigMac | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/sandwich.png |
| 02:16:13 | BigMac | woops |
| 02:16:17 | BigMac | wrong channel, sorry guys |
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| 02:16:41 | Febs | EnterUserName: It means you need to use the original firmware for a USB connection. |
| 02:16:50 | EnterUserName | ok |
| 02:17:18 | EnterUserName | iamben: Can you use linux to transfer video/music like amarok? |
| 02:17:24 | Febs | Yes. |
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| 02:17:35 | EnterUserName | hmm looks like a great music player |
| 02:17:51 | * | EnterUserName will defintely buy it sometime |
| 02:18:47 | EnterUserName | Febs: The e280 is definetely supported? |
| 02:19:26 | iamben | EnterUserName: yes and yes |
| 02:19:33 | EnterUserName | woo hoo :) ok thank u:) |
| 02:19:35 | iamben | ive actually got my e280 hooked up to amarok right now |
| 02:20:10 | iamben | just make sure you dont get the e280R (rhapsody) from best buy |
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| 02:32:50 | advcomp2019 | yea iamben is right EnterUserName |
| 02:34:20 | andrew_ | the e280 is on sale for about $180 here at futureshop in canada |
| 02:34:38 | andrew_ | I bough my e260 a few months ago for abotu $220 |
| 02:34:41 | andrew_ | *bought |
| 02:35:03 | andrew_ | I have had rockbox on it since a little after the port started, way before it even played music :) |
| 02:37:43 | advcomp2019 | officemax is at $170 |
| 02:38:16 | EnterUserName | its 195 at canadacomputers |
| 02:39:02 | EnterUserName | oh my gosh |
| 02:39:18 | EnterUserName | thans andrew |
| 02:39:21 | EnterUserName | thanks andrew! |
| 02:41:03 | iamben | dunno how this converts, but circuit city has e280 @ $149USD |
| 02:41:12 | EnterUserName | its really cheap |
| 02:41:13 | EnterUserName | at futuershop |
| 02:41:15 | EnterUserName | 144 canadian |
| 02:43:29 | andrew_ | futureshop might ship to american addresses too I think |
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| 04:08:28 | BigMac | cred? |
| 04:08:37 | BigMac | this is #tcpa, not a street gang |
| 04:08:47 | BigMac | oh my god |
| 04:08:56 | BigMac | Wrong channel again:( |
| 04:09:00 | BigMac | stupid touchpad |
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| 04:32:50 | EnterUserName | I hope this SanDisk is better than ipod first gen :) |
| 04:32:59 | EnterUserName | The nano :) |
| 04:33:48 | DogBoy | sounds better than my video ipod |
| 04:33:54 | EnterUserName | Ya it looks alot better |
| 04:34:00 | EnterUserName | its on sale at future shop |
| 04:34:06 | EnterUserName | $144 |
| 04:34:17 | DogBoy | oh yea |
| 04:34:24 | EnterUserName | dont buy it darn it |
| 04:34:25 | EnterUserName | :) |
| 04:34:28 | DogBoy | I couldn't wait, I bought one at circuit city |
| 04:34:28 | EnterUserName | Wait till i get mine! |
| 04:34:32 | EnterUserName | oh :) |
| 04:34:36 | EnterUserName | good good! |
| 04:34:40 | EnterUserName | i should keep quet :) |
| 04:34:48 | DogBoy | I recommend it |
| 04:34:53 | DogBoy | really great sounding |
| 04:35:05 | EnterUserName | Ya. Looks great. Rockbox supports it almost completely |
| 04:35:09 | DogBoy | you're talking about the 8 gig one right |
| 04:35:11 | EnterUserName | Ya. |
| 04:35:31 | EnterUserName | I wonder how the FM radio works on it |
| 04:35:32 | EnterUserName | ?? |
| 04:36:07 | DogBoy | let's talk about it in #rockbox-community |
| 04:55:16 | Tempis | the fm radio on my sansa e250 sucks |
| 04:56:15 | Tempis | but, I didn't buy it to listen to the radio |
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| 05:29:52 | webguest87 | This is rather a newb question, but I truly have not encountered C before rockbox: |
| 05:30:14 | webguest87 | what is the difference between struct-> and struct. ? |
| 05:31:36 | webguest87 | in an oop language i.e. c++ , the . retrieves the element from the struct |
| 05:31:50 | webguest87 | but I saw both -> and . |
| 05:32:31 | webguest87 | are they the same? |
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| 05:42:44 | webguest87 | never mind, silly of me, should have studied more about pointer before asking this question :) |
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| 06:05:02 | tri170391 | I have some problem, I have a failed attempt of test_disk (In write/verify test, due to not enough disk space) on my ipod, the program hang with "write() failed". And after reboot, the free space reduce from ~200MB to 3MB. And I found and deleted the __TEMP__ folder on the root of the drive, but the freespace i gained is just ~30MB. |
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| 06:05:33 | tri170391 | I have tried chkdsk /f and chkdsk /r on windows but no luck, anyway to recover it? |
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| 08:10:32 | brentgarner | hello |
| 08:11:19 | brentgarner | is anyone else having problems with the forums? |
| 08:11:26 | LinusN | yes |
| 08:11:42 | brentgarner | ok, as long as im not the only one lol |
| 08:11:55 | LinusN | the server is busy as hell |
| 08:12:12 | brentgarner | what are people doing on it this late at night? |
| 08:12:29 | LinusN | it's early in the morning here :-) |
| 08:12:45 | brentgarner | really |
| 08:12:50 | LinusN | my guess is that a web crawler is giving it a hard time |
| 08:13:07 | brentgarner | well i guess you could say the same for me. 1:11 am |
| 08:13:16 | brentgarner | thats really early |
| 08:13:22 | LinusN | there is also a runaway process which i can't kill |
| 08:14:07 | brentgarner | does this happen often, the forums have always worked for me in the past year |
| 08:14:30 | LinusN | i believe the forums are slow as hell about this time every day |
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| 08:14:37 | markun | indeed |
| 08:14:57 | brentgarner | ahh ic |
| 08:15:16 | brentgarner | so what do you use rockbox on? |
| 08:15:24 | brentgarner | i have it on my gigabeat |
| 08:16:39 | markun | iriver h120 and gigabeat f40 |
| 08:16:43 | LinusN | i have it on my archos player, archos recorder, archos recorder fm, iaudio x5, ipod video and my gigabeat :-) |
| 08:16:53 | amiconn | Eh? |
| 08:16:54 | markun | :) |
| 08:16:57 | LinusN | and on my iriver h140 and my iriver h340 |
| 08:17:05 | brentgarner | dang |
| 08:17:10 | * | amiconn found an inconsistency in peakmeter behaviour between h1x0 and ipod video |
| 08:17:19 | LinusN | amiconn: oh? |
| 08:17:33 | amiconn | On H1x0 it releases during pause, on video it does not |
| 08:17:44 | markun | brentgarner: happy with rockbox? |
| 08:18:30 | brentgarner | o ya i love it, i absolutelly hated the firmware of the regualar gigabeat and a friend told me about this site a while back |
| 08:18:49 | amiconn | brentgarner: I have it on my archos player, recorder, ondio fm, ondio sp, iriver h180, iriver h340, iriver h10, ipod mini 2nd gen, ipod 1st gen, ipod 2nd gen, and iaudo x5 :-) |
| 08:19:07 | brentgarner | i got lucky because they just had released rockbox for the gigabeat then |
| 08:19:21 | brentgarner | holy freakin crap that alot of mp3 players |
| 08:19:54 | * | Llorean only has an Archos Recorder, H120, Nano, Gigabeat, and Sansa. |
| 08:19:57 | markun | brentgarner: it's not onsusual for rockbox devs to have more than 1 player :) |
| 08:20:18 | DogBoy | only, hehe |
| 08:20:26 | brentgarner | i guess that would make sence |
| 08:20:35 | markun | Llorean: soon a Gigabeat S? |
| 08:20:49 | Llorean | markun: No, apparently not |
| 08:20:52 | Llorean | I'm going to be looking again though |
| 08:20:55 | Llorean | I want to get an S60 |
| 08:21:23 | brentgarner | Q? does rockbox support ogg files? |
| 08:21:43 | markun | Llorean: sometimes you see people at mygigabeat who get sick of their S60 and want to get rid of it |
| 08:21:48 | markun | brentgarner: yes, it does |
| 08:21:48 | amiconn | Llorean: Your mp3 players might beat mine in terms of total processing power ;) |
| 08:21:55 | brentgarner | awesome |
| 08:22:05 | markun | brentgarner: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status |
| 08:22:10 | Llorean | amiconn: I have two Gigabeat Fs, I think between them alone that about covers it. :-P |
| 08:22:14 | * | Llorean should build a cluster. ;) |
| 08:22:28 | Llorean | markun: If I could stand browsing those forums, I might look. :) |
| 08:22:29 | amiconn | Haha. Run dnetc on them ;) |
| 08:22:46 | markun | Llorean: I'm also getting so tired of all that spam.. :( |
| 08:23:07 | brentgarner | markun: thank you |
| 08:23:50 | markun | brentgarner: and some other key features you might have missed: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
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| 08:24:45 | amiconn | Hmm. petur's peakmeter change has a bug (it doesn't count the release as "release per tick" but rather as "release per tick + read", as reads usually don't happen every single tick) |
| 08:24:58 | brentgarner | what |
| 08:25:06 | brentgarner | how do i use gapless playback? |
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| 08:25:32 | amiconn | But if I fix that, the default is too fast. 1 unit per tick roughly equals how it behaved before, but you can't set it slower |
| 08:25:40 | markun | brentgarner: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GaplessHowTo ;) |
| 08:25:59 | brentgarner | markun: awesome, your a lifesaver man |
| 08:26:08 | markun | ;) |
| 08:29:15 | markun | amiconn: I know you don't use replaygain, but would it be an idea to implement it on the HWCODEC targets in the same way that mp3gain did it (by altering the global gain of the mp3 file)? |
| 08:29:47 | amiconn | That would require touching every single frame |
| 08:30:12 | markun | ok, so not so good |
| 08:30:44 | amiconn | It could work, but only if on-the-fly modification of the mp3 stream gets implemented |
| 08:30:50 | brentgarner | will id3 album art ever work on rockbox? |
| 08:30:58 | amiconn | LinusN said he has ideas how to do that |
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| 08:31:23 | amiconn | (e.g. for speed change without pitch change, or for audible seek) |
| 08:31:49 | * | LinusN hides |
| 08:33:50 | brentgarner | im gonna sound completelly retarded here, but does anyone here have an account to oink? |
| 08:36:25 | brentgarner | nevermind, sorry i asked, im off thanks for you help everyone |
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| 08:39:07 | amiconn | Odd. H300 also releases the peakmeter on pause like the H1x0, but 2nd gen, mini G2, and Video do not. Something seems to be special cased for iriver (or coldfire) |
| 08:39:23 | amiconn | (X5 needs charging) |
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| 08:43:19 | amiconn | Ah, yes. pcm_coldfire.c only returns the peak from the buffer if it is playing and not paused. Otherwise it returns 0 |
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| 08:43:43 | amiconn | pcm-pp.c just returns the peak from the buffer, and that is "frozen" during pause |
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| 08:46:50 | HammerofJustice | hey guys I was just wondering does anyone know if rockbox works with the E200R series of the sansa products? Thanks for any help. |
| 08:47:03 | scorche | it doesnt |
| 08:48:18 | GodEater | it even says so on the front page at rockbox.org |
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| 08:50:35 | GodEater | goodbye, and thanks for listening... |
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| 08:56:48 | LinusN | jesus, the forum server is really busy, i wonder if jeff is awake... |
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| 08:57:54 | Llorean | It's been like this the last couple nights at this time |
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| 09:00:03 | GodEater | I think the clockwork in it is running down |
| 09:00:19 | PaulJam | morning, is there someone who maintains the german translation? |
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| 09:02:48 | linuxstb_ | PaulJam: I don't know, but pixelma recently made a large set of changes to it. |
| 09:03:19 | PaulJam | thanks |
| 09:03:24 | amiconn | PaulJam: Found a mistake? |
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| 09:05:13 | PaulJam | yes, in the recording settings the split time setting is labeled "zeit/datum setzen" (LANG_TIME). |
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| 09:05:48 | PaulJam | which should propably only be "Zeit" |
| 09:07:40 | amiconn | Split time is called 'Aufteilzeit' here |
| 09:08:01 | amiconn | The other string is from the time and date setting screen, nothing to do with recording |
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| 09:08:45 | PaulJam | in the recording setings under AUfteilungseinstellungen=>AUfteilungskriterium. |
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| 09:11:04 | amiconn | Ah, yes |
| 09:12:22 | amiconn | Hmm, no simple fix for that. Th elangv2 split merged too much here |
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| 09:14:33 | GodEater | so today is D-Day for GSOC code ? |
| 09:14:43 | PaulJam | ok, i thought it was just a mistake in the deutsch.lang file, because the english string for LANG_TIME is just "Time" |
| 09:14:56 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe not |
| 09:15:12 | B4gder | GodEater: not quite, I think the real final d-day is aug 31 |
| 09:15:20 | GodEater | I thought that was pay day? |
| 09:15:43 | B4gder | I don't remember the exact wording, but it did allow for some extra time beyond today I think |
| 09:15:55 | Llorean | Because of earlier delays? |
| 09:15:56 | * | GodEater is reading the GSOC "Important dates" faq |
| 09:16:00 | petur | code has to be given today |
| 09:16:05 | B4gder | ah ok |
| 09:16:15 | * | B4gder shuts up |
| 09:16:25 | GodEater | so have we got working code for anything other than WMA ? |
| 09:16:34 | petur | we have to evaluate the student on the work he has done until today (tonight) |
| 09:17:02 | petur | GodEater: MoB was being integrated and might make it a bit? |
| 09:17:13 | GodEater | hurray |
| 09:17:19 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: The USB code seems to be doing something (see yesterday's logs), but not usable yet. |
| 09:17:33 | amiconn | PaulJam: Fixed, thanks. |
| 09:17:35 | GodEater | well that's even better than I expected |
| 09:17:40 | PaulJam | thanks |
| 09:18:41 | * | linuxstb_ asks markun the SoC question... |
| 09:19:16 | GodEater | so we're looking at 50% of our projects producing something useful at the very least, and possibly 75% if USB can be hammered into shape in time |
| 09:19:27 | * | GodEater would say that's not at all bad |
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| 09:20:37 | petur | could have been better... if we get a chance next year things will be handled differently I think |
| 09:21:03 | GodEater | I don't think we could realistically have expected much better in our first year |
| 09:21:09 | GodEater | it's been a learning process |
| 09:21:36 | GodEater | to be honest, I think we've done better management of this than I've seen in a lot of commercial projects |
| 09:21:37 | amiconn | GodEater: What's the other project that already produced something useful? |
| 09:21:41 | GodEater | WMA |
| 09:21:58 | amiconn | That's the only one afaics |
| 09:21:59 | GodEater | though the jury's out on whether it's "useful" or not ;) |
| 09:22:15 | GodEater | amiconn: well petur said MoB is due to be integrated ? |
| 09:22:22 | GodEater | at least in part |
| 09:22:26 | Llorean | AFAIK, MoB is "done" (the code does everything it should), but it's not merged. |
| 09:22:29 | linuxstb_ | But that's the difficult bit, which isn't done... |
| 09:22:44 | amiconn | Aha, hmm |
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| 09:23:13 | GodEater | I confess I have no idea how easy/difficult that last mile was going to be |
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| 09:23:28 | amiconn | Well, wma is in, and works (although not perfect yet). None of the other 3 projects have that |
| 09:23:47 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: IMO it's always the same - the last 10% of the work takes 90% of the time... |
| 09:23:55 | petur | so, should we fail the other 3 students? |
| 09:23:56 | GodEater | indeed |
| 09:24:03 | Llorean | Where is the line? |
| 09:24:28 | Llorean | The "functional" aspect of the code for my student is done, but it's not integrated yet. |
| 09:24:55 | ddalton | is everyone happy with what I think about p6733. (It is the last comment) |
| 09:25:04 | GodEater | we didn't make integration an explicit part of the projects did we ? |
| 09:25:24 | GodEater | i.e. it was implied, but never spelled out ? |
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| 09:31:30 | GodEater | clearly everyone is thinking very hard about that point... |
| 09:32:05 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: IMO integration is pretty much a core requirement of a Rockbox project... I don't know what google's guidelines are, but I would hope that a project not being finished isn't an automatic failure. i.e. it should be more like "has the student done everything he could to try and finish it in the time available?" |
| 09:33:02 | GodEater | linuxstb: I agree on both counts |
| 09:33:41 | linuxstb_ | Even WMA isn't finished, as there's no seeking. |
| 09:34:00 | petur | mentors get to decide if the project passed or failed, Google leaves all that to us |
| 09:36:00 | GodEater | so are we passing everyone ? |
| 09:36:07 | GodEater | s/we/you |
| 09:36:39 | scorche | i havent heard much of the TTS guy |
| 09:36:44 | GodEater | only markun has |
| 09:37:03 | scorche | he hasnt shared? |
| 09:37:17 | GodEater | there was a code dump uploaded somewhere a few weeks back |
| 09:37:23 | GodEater | I never got round to trying it though |
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| 09:37:49 | GodEater | I have no idea if it's moved anywhere since then either |
| 09:38:10 | GodEater | but I still have the dump if you're interested |
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| 09:40:37 | * | GodEater wonders if the forums server has actually melted down this time |
| 09:41:00 | GodEater | and of course, as soon as I say that, they burst back into life... |
| 09:41:27 | B4gder | it was almost melted it seems ;-/ |
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| 09:43:12 | barrywardell | petur: did you see I managed to find the usb_send problem? |
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| 09:43:29 | JdGordon | would anyone object to tring t parallelise the buildzip stuff? make install/zip is painfully slow now |
| 09:43:29 | GodEater | crikey, 22 whole people in rockbox-community today! |
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| 09:44:12 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: Did you lock the sansapatcher thread in the forums? |
| 09:44:32 | Llorean | No |
| 09:44:37 | Llorean | The original poster did. |
| 09:44:44 | linuxstb_ | Hmm, OK then... |
| 09:45:08 | linuxstb_ | Could he unlock it if he wanted to? i.e. if it was a mistake? |
| 09:45:11 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 09:45:15 | Llorean | He deleted his account though |
| 09:45:25 | Llorean | So, he can't really any more |
| 09:45:29 | linuxstb_ | OK, I guess he gave up... |
| 09:45:46 | Llorean | Yeah |
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| 09:46:45 | * | GodEater wonders if his tolerance for idiots is at an all time low, or if people are genuinely getting more stupid in the forums... |
| 09:47:15 | ze | i bet it happens that both those things come together |
| 09:47:29 | ze | generally :p |
| 09:47:36 | GodEater | possibly so |
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| 09:55:54 | petur | barrywardell: great - I'll have a look in the log... work is giving me a bit too much load here atm |
| 09:56:43 | barrywardell | ok. long story short, is that it's all working fully now. it just needs a msc class driver |
| 09:57:22 | petur | does austriancoder know? |
| 09:57:46 | barrywardell | yes, he dropped by yesterday |
| 09:58:53 | GodEater | usb ? |
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| 09:59:29 | barrywardell | yes |
| 09:59:57 | petur | oh nice bug that was... congrats! |
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| 10:00:46 | GodEater | so what was the issue then ? |
| 10:01:41 | aliask | The data was sending, but was accidentally being zero'd at boot |
| 10:01:46 | aliask | So it was sending 0's |
| 10:01:49 | barrywardell | the descriptors were all ibss |
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| 10:02:02 | barrywardell | infact, they don't need to be in iram at all |
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| 10:02:34 | barrywardell | only buffer, dev_td and dev_qh need to be |
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| 10:03:02 | markun | GodEater, scorche: he asked google for an extension. I agreed to continue to mentor him in that case. We'll see how it goes. |
| 10:03:15 | scorche | they give extensions? |
| 10:03:31 | LinusN | markun: does he have what it takes to complete it? |
| 10:03:37 | scorche | and how is hiw work coming? |
| 10:03:53 | markun | LinusN: I'm not sure anymore |
| 10:04:08 | LinusN | my suspicion as well |
| 10:04:21 | scorche | what is the status? |
| 10:04:29 | markun | but he still wants to try to finish it and told me to give him a negative evaluation if he doesn't succeed |
| 10:04:45 | Llorean | I'm worried about having Nico_P's code submitted. |
| 10:04:55 | GodEater | pourquoi ? |
| 10:04:55 | LinusN | why? |
| 10:04:56 | markun | he has been very busy with work, moving houses and his PhD |
| 10:05:03 | ie | petur: were it you who added the great "Show filename exts" setting? Its name is not capitalized properly in english.lang IMHO. In other items, each word is capitalized (e.g. "Scroll Bar") |
| 10:05:12 | Llorean | LinusN: Well, I'm not sure he's available to submit it himself |
| 10:05:17 | erifneer3 | jw, any way to see if anything interesting happened/going on w/ the summer of code stuff? |
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| 10:05:30 | LinusN | Llorean: oh? |
| 10:05:39 | markun | scorche: most of his time was spent on figuring out how to program for rockbox I think |
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| 10:06:17 | Llorean | LinusN: Yes, he told me the code itself is finished and working as intended, but needs to be merged. He suggested it wouldn't be too hard to merge, but that might not be done by pencils down, but he's away with limited access. |
| 10:06:34 | petur | ie: I wonder if we have a rule for it... I'm not for this Capitalize Every Word You Write |
| 10:06:47 | GodEater | he doesn't need to merge to our svn though does he? Just to code.google.com ? |
| 10:07:42 | LinusN | petur: well, consistency is nice |
| 10:08:04 | petur | yes... If I missed that I'll change it (or somebody else can) |
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| 10:09:27 | preglow | petur: how's usb going? |
| 10:09:51 | petur | preglow: great, it seems. barrywardell found the tx issue |
| 10:10:11 | preglow | great! |
| 10:10:12 | petur | austriancoder is working on his mass storage driver now I figure |
| 10:10:36 | preglow | i'm really looking forward to not seeing rockbox reboot to disk mode anymore, heh |
| 10:10:45 | GodEater | me too |
| 10:10:45 | webguest45 | hi, it is normal procedure to open a new task in flyspray when fixing bug/implementing requested feature? |
| 10:10:48 | * | petur will have his H10 just in time to find out all is working... |
| 10:11:00 | preglow | it'll work on ipods too? |
| 10:11:08 | petur | should, yes |
| 10:11:26 | B4gder | webguest45: yes, submit patches in the patch tracker |
| 10:11:27 | Llorean | webguest45: If it's a simple bugfix, it can be attached as a comment sometimes, but in most cases it should be a new task, and then ask someone to add it as a related task |
| 10:11:34 | | Part erifneer3 |
| 10:11:44 | webguest45 | thanks |
| 10:11:54 | pixelma | webguest45: after you checked that there isn't a related patch/bug report |
| 10:13:23 | JdGordon | what is everyones opiinion on the patch for the custom spalsh image? |
| 10:13:49 | JdGordon | It may as well be commited if its actually wanted... |
| 10:14:53 | preglow | url? |
| 10:15:05 | Llorean | JdGordon: Is there any way to decrease the delay? |
| 10:15:11 | pixelma | in our wiki - there seems to be no way to differentiate OndioFM and OndioSP in PluginIndex, or do I miss something? |
| 10:15:20 | Nick_Brackley | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7538?histring=splash |
| 10:15:32 | Llorean | I want it, but I'd like to know it's having the bare minimum impact on users not making use of it. |
| 10:16:13 | JdGordon | well, he says there is now no delay |
| 10:16:14 | preglow | indeed, and the patch looks surprisingly big for what it does |
| 10:16:38 | JdGordon | I dont like how he added the context menu, but the rest I dont mind (too much) |
| 10:16:46 | Llorean | Well, it's similar to the "set as backdrop" |
| 10:16:58 | Llorean | You have to be able to include it in themes somehow, unless you just have one hardcoded backdrop |
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| 10:17:18 | preglow | also, LANG_SHOW_SPLASH should also have lcd_non-mono strings, afaik |
| 10:17:32 | JdGordon | why? |
| 10:17:43 | JdGordon | it would work for mono displays als |
| 10:17:45 | JdGordon | o |
| 10:17:47 | JdGordon | also* |
| 10:17:50 | preglow | then ignroe it |
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| 10:18:06 | preglow | but then again, i don't see a point in this patch anyway |
| 10:18:16 | preglow | i couldn't care less what my splash screen looks like, i never look at it |
| 10:18:31 | preglow | and whoever does must be really bored :P |
| 10:18:37 | Llorean | preglow: Someone wrote a utility that replaces the rockbox splash in the rockbox binary with a bitmap image of their choosing |
| 10:18:53 | Llorean | Clearly there's at least a decent demand for that themeing option. |
| 10:19:05 | preglow | in the _binary_ |
| 10:19:05 | preglow | hahah |
| 10:19:10 | preglow | so much for open source |
| 10:19:14 | Llorean | Yeah, I know |
| 10:19:50 | preglow | oh well, i don't care, i won't use it anyway |
| 10:20:29 | JdGordon | this is why i want to reject it... (again....) its bloody useless |
| 10:20:40 | Llorean | I don't really see it as useless. |
| 10:20:46 | preglow | patch has tabs too |
| 10:20:52 | Nick_Brackley | ... but it looks pretty |
| 10:20:55 | Llorean | I'd like to see a version of it that's a lot simpler. |
| 10:21:04 | preglow | it looks pretty at a point where i never look at my dap |
| 10:21:06 | Llorean | I liked the old one that loaded a specific hardcoded file. |
| 10:21:13 | preglow | i don't see me ever staring at the splash screen |
| 10:21:23 | preglow | Llorean: that makes it hard to be included in themes |
| 10:21:32 | Llorean | preglow: Yeah, I know. |
| 10:21:37 | preglow | that's what i was wondering about about this one too, does it always load splash.bmp? |
| 10:21:49 | Nick_Brackley | its good for an unofficial build but i dont really see the point on an official one |
| 10:21:59 | preglow | if it is to be commited, it should be commited in a way that allows splash bmps to be included in themes |
| 10:22:07 | LinusN | i agree |
| 10:22:21 | LinusN | the splash should be part of the theme imho |
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| 10:22:35 | preglow | i don't think it should be commited, of course, but i don't really care either, so if people want it... |
| 10:23:15 | Llorean | I think if people are so desperate to have custom splashes, we could remove the Rockbox splash from being compiled in, and make it part of the default theme. |
| 10:23:33 | preglow | won't this thing increase boot time? |
| 10:23:40 | preglow | since it has to wait for disk to display splash and all |
| 10:23:41 | GodEater | I don't see how it can't |
| 10:23:48 | preglow | if so: no way |
| 10:23:51 | preglow | the default should always be fast |
| 10:24:14 | petur | aye |
| 10:24:14 | preglow | but then again, this bastard has to wait for config to see if splash is needed anyway... |
| 10:24:15 | JdGordon | it would only search for hte file if one has been set in the config.cfg |
| 10:24:20 | JdGordon | which is not the default |
| 10:24:52 | preglow | oh well, i don't care as long as it doesn't increase boot time for people who don't want splash |
| 10:25:00 | Llorean | preglow: That's the important bit for me. |
| 10:25:05 | Llorean | I like the fact that Rockbox boots *fast* |
| 10:25:11 | preglow | but if it does, i say we don't commit it. i would never want to increase boot time for something as unimportant as this |
| 10:25:35 | GodEater | nor me |
| 10:25:54 | preglow | Llorean: yeah, and if it is to boot slower, it should do so because of curing cancer or something, not loading a pic |
| 10:26:17 | preglow | btw, is slasheri aware that diskcache glitches a bit these days? |
| 10:26:21 | Llorean | preglow: Exactly! We should build a folding@home client into it! |
| 10:26:31 | preglow | fixed point fah client, yeah :P |
| 10:26:45 | JdGordon | preglow: its worse than that though.... the patch ADDS a delay just so it does nothing but display the bmp! |
| 10:26:51 | B4gder | settings -> general > cure desease -> Cancer (yes/no) |
| 10:26:53 | Llorean | Sadly, my PS3 is essentially a really expensive dedicated FAH client for the time being. =/ |
| 10:27:08 | GodEater | Llorean: mine too! |
| 10:27:12 | JdGordon | F@H is a conspiracy by the power companies |
| 10:27:24 | * | JdGordon not being sucked in... |
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| 10:27:32 | GodEater | I've noticed the dircache glitch too |
| 10:27:48 | B4gder | yeah, the rc5 72bit compo is a lot better than FAH ;-) |
| 10:28:01 | Nick_Brackley | JdGordon: care to elaborate? |
| 10:28:03 | GodEater | at what? burning watts ? |
| 10:28:33 | B4gder | burning watts with no sensible goal in sight within a couple of lifetimes |
| 10:28:37 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 10:28:45 | Nick_Brackley | lol |
| 10:28:48 | JdGordon | Nick_Brackley: your comp uses more power when its at 100%... so your paying for more power usage.... i.e more profits for the power companies |
| 10:29:08 | Nick_Brackley | JdGordon: thought that was the case |
| 10:29:13 | preglow | B4gder: i wouldn't really call it a goal at all, haha |
| 10:29:27 | B4gder | hehe |
| 10:29:29 | Slasheri | on iriver and other flashed targets there is no way to display a custom flash unless it's compiled in rockbox (=flashed) |
| 10:29:56 | B4gder | actually, the rc5 72bit race at least shows that 72bit rc5 is pretty safe |
| 10:30:10 | Slasheri | preglow: what kind of glitches? |
| 10:30:26 | GodEater | Slasheri: calls to it don't block till there's an answer, they return failure |
| 10:30:30 | preglow | Slasheri: it does an unnecessary foreground scan all the time when booting |
| 10:30:43 | preglow | Slasheri: that is, not _all_ the time, but lots of times |
| 10:30:44 | petur | B4gder: from brute force attack |
| 10:30:44 | GodEater | ooh - two different glitches! |
| 10:30:57 | B4gder | petur: right, with current knowledge |
| 10:31:02 | Slasheri | GodEater: hmm, sounds bad |
| 10:31:09 | Slasheri | well, i will try to investigate |
| 10:31:24 | JdGordon | Slasheri: also, if you get a chace, can you have a look at fs#7598? |
| 10:31:37 | GodEater | Slasheri: simple test is to use the shortcuts plugin, add a directory to your list, and try and access it soon after boot |
| 10:31:50 | Slasheri | JdGordon: ok, i will put that to todo :) can't check now from work |
| 10:31:51 | JdGordon | just to make sure its "safe"? its not really needed but its possible we will get a hotswap target witout a fash disk |
| 10:31:54 | amiconn | Slasheri: Is it really necessary that tagcache commit can cancel a shutdown? |
| 10:32:00 | GodEater | I get a "no such file / directory" error (i.e. open() returns 0) |
| 10:32:07 | GodEater | I try again in a few minutes, and then it works |
| 10:32:23 | amiconn | I'd rather think it should stop committing at whateever stage it is, and continue there at next boot |
| 10:32:24 | Slasheri | amiconn: well, shutdown during commit is not possible |
| 10:32:41 | Slasheri | commit cannot be stopped easily |
| 10:32:43 | amiconn | Well, it is possible if you force it |
| 10:32:52 | Slasheri | or that would make the code very complex |
| 10:32:57 | amiconn | Then it has to recommit at next boot anyway |
| 10:33:07 | preglow | Slasheri: it alsmost seems like shutting down from wps forces a foreground scan on next boot, that's the only pattern i can see |
| 10:33:18 | Slasheri | amiconn: then the db is corrupt if it tries to recommit |
| 10:33:26 | amiconn | Is it? |
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| 10:33:34 | amiconn | Commit can fail due to low bat.... |
| 10:33:40 | Slasheri | amiconn: yes, if the commit only partially succeeded |
| 10:33:50 | Slasheri | well.. i could make that failsafe quite easily.. |
| 10:33:57 | Slasheri | just would need to copy files a bit |
| 10:33:59 | amiconn | Doesn't it start over as long as the tempfile is still there? |
| 10:34:51 | Slasheri | yes, only if commit has never been started or previous commit failed and db files are erased |
| 10:35:26 | Slasheri | preglow: interesting, will check that |
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| 10:35:42 | amiconn | Couldn't you just set a flag "commit in progress", which is reset at the end |
| 10:36:12 | amiconn | If a shutdown happens inbetween, the flag wouldn't be reset and that would make the code recommit? |
| 10:36:18 | Slasheri | yep, in fact the db is marked dirty until commit is finished |
| 10:36:40 | Slasheri | but in this case the db is useless and user needs to re-initialize it |
| 10:37:25 | Slasheri | amiconn: it could be possible to gracefully stop the commit during those steps |
| 10:37:30 | Slasheri | but not inside a step |
| 10:37:30 | preglow | Slasheri: it's not consistent either :/ testing on h120, btw |
| 10:37:40 | amiconn | Why is that? I would think that recommitting the same data should not change what's there? |
| 10:37:42 | Slasheri | preglow: hmm :/ |
| 10:38:00 | Slasheri | amiconn: committing directly changes the main db files |
| 10:38:04 | preglow | i know some other people have seen this, but not on which platforms |
| 10:38:21 | Slasheri | unless we would duplicate those files and after a successful commit, remove old ones |
| 10:38:26 | Slasheri | that could be one solution |
| 10:39:15 | Slasheri | amiconn: and committing also rebuilds db index, resorts files and stuff like that |
| 10:39:18 | JdGordon | iusnt there a STR2P() macro? |
| 10:40:49 | Slasheri | amiconn: committing basically adds everything from a temp file to the db, no matter what already is in db |
| 10:41:03 | Slasheri | but now going to have some lunch -> |
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| 10:42:11 | webguest45 | Can someone look at patches FS #7626 & FS #7627? Thanks |
| 10:42:19 | * | B4gder considers making the deltas in the table be the (bin + ram change)/2 |
| 10:42:39 | JdGordon | ram change? |
| 10:42:57 | B4gder | see http://build.rockbox.org/dev2.cgi for a view on the ram diffs |
| 10:43:10 | B4gder | they tend to follow the bin ones |
| 10:43:26 | B4gder | which makes sense for code change |
| 10:44:13 | B4gder | I'm looking for ways to show the deltas in one line but still account for both kinds |
| 10:44:47 | aliask | When ld complains "error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.icode'", does that mean that the .lds doesn't contain the .icode section? |
| 10:45:14 | Llorean | B4gder: Shouldn't the sign be switched for RAM changes? |
| 10:45:16 | B4gder | aliask: yes, I would say so |
| 10:45:38 | B4gder | Llorean: it's rather "ram usage" so no |
| 10:45:52 | Llorean | Ah |
| 10:45:58 | B4gder | how large a chunk of ram that is statically occupied |
| 10:46:02 | Llorean | Gotcha, okay |
| 10:46:03 | B4gder | (at least) |
| 10:46:07 | amiconn | Slasheri: How does it preserve user data then? |
| 10:47:00 | * | JdGordon going for dinner in case i get a yellow build |
| 10:47:08 | JdGordon | .... i mean, back soon if its yellow |
| 10:47:38 | amiconn | Slasheri: I understand that an interrupted commit leaves the db files in an inconsistent state. But I would expect that if the commit is then restarted from the beginning and finishes properly, all should be well again |
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| 10:52:58 | aliask | Grrr. Ld is still complaining about "no memory region specified for loadable section `.icode', but it should definitely be in app.lds |
| 10:53:10 | amiconn | Reagrding the loadable splash - it might not have a significant effect on boot time when loading rockbox from disk, but it will break when loading from flash. Hence it's a bad idea imo |
| 10:54:45 | amiconn | The splash is there to show something *while* rockbox is loading, and delaying the splash would mean to defeat that purpose |
| 10:56:39 | preglow | yeah |
| 10:57:26 | GodEater | yeah, I think reject in that case |
| 10:58:44 | Soap | A - why will it break when loading from flash? |
| 10:59:21 | Soap | B - It isn't as if there isn't an easy way for someone to change it if compelled. Isn't there even a binary patcher floating around? |
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| 11:00:16 | scorche | oye...user list != job site |
| 11:00:23 | amiconn | It would have to wait for the disk in oder to show the splash, which then defeats the purpose of the splash |
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| 11:01:40 | amiconn | petur: Did you notice my peakmeter commit? |
| 11:01:59 | * | petur checks |
| 11:02:18 | amiconn | I'm not sure how to solve the resulting problem. Perhaps we could make the release work in units per second, but then we need to allow larger values |
| 11:03:33 | linuxstb_ | aliask: You can double-check in apps/linkage.lds (in your build directory) - that's the processed version of apps.lds |
| 11:04:21 | petur | ah... I wanted to ask you when I was doing that... I guess it never did a redraw within the same tick? |
| 11:05:49 | aliask | linuxstb_: Yep, I found it, it was actually the plugin.lds, but thanks anyway |
| 11:06:59 | amiconn | petur: Correct. Iirc it redraws every 5 ticks (or rather, tries to) |
| 11:08:04 | amiconn | Setting it to 1 now roughly equals 5 units per tick, but you cannot set it slower |
| 11:09:17 | Slasheri | amiconn: commit cannot be started from beginning because at that point commit has already done something, and it's not possible to know what |
| 11:09:47 | Slasheri | amiconn: user data is preserved if commit succeeds or if that data is exported |
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| 11:11:52 | Slasheri | amiconn: please check build_index() function in tagcache.c, that is the main thing commit does |
| 11:11:59 | JdGordon | amiconn: it wont break flash, but the patch actually adds a delay for the people who want to use it |
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| 11:15:43 | desowin | hehe |
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| 11:25:55 | linuxstb_ | Regarding the custom splash, if we wanted to hard-code the file, then the "set as splash screen" option (either in the UI or .cfg file) could simply copy the file to the hardcoded path. So hardcoding it shouldn't prevent the inclusion of splashes in themes. |
| 11:26:19 | JdGordon | B4gder: builds broken? |
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| 11:29:34 | GodEater | linuxstb: this will still introduce a delay on flashed targets though |
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| 11:29:41 | amiconn | linuxstb: Splash from file makes *no* sense imo |
| 11:30:40 | * | amiconn wants JdGordon's paylist ;) |
| 11:34:04 | Llorean | Rockbox could modify it's on-disk binary to include the new splash. :-P |
| 11:34:47 | amiconn | Llorean: There is no on-disk (used) binary when rockbox is running from flash |
| 11:35:27 | Llorean | It was more or less a joke, I'm not sure I like the idea of modifying the binary anyway. But in-flash could always just have the custom splash disabled. |
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| 11:36:37 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Personally I agree, but it seems a popular feature amongst users. So IMO we should make a decision whether to implement it or not, and if so, agree on the method. If we agree not to add it, then put it in the NODO. |
| 11:37:02 | * | amiconn votes for NODO |
| 11:37:16 | * | Llorean abstains. |
| 11:38:28 | petur | if there is no workaround that can disable the whole thing then NODO. |
| 11:38:30 | linuxstb_ | But should the fact that there will be an artificial delay on flashed targets prevent it being implemented on targets where Rockbox is loaded from disk? |
| 11:38:46 | linuxstb_ | (or prevent the user choosing to have that delay) |
| 11:40:34 | preglow | does it lead to a delay when the option is disabled? |
| 11:40:41 | amiconn | sure |
| 11:40:44 | preglow | if it does so on any target, then nodo |
| 11:40:56 | amiconn | Because just for checking the option, it needs to access the disk |
| 11:40:58 | preglow | boot time > fancy picture |
| 11:41:46 | preglow | then definitely nodo, we shouldn't complicate startup more than needed |
| 11:41:49 | ie | He-he. I like the idea of self modifying rockbox! We could even define a special section for the splash image so that will be guarded by the lds |
| 11:41:57 | preglow | especially not for a screen i don't even watch... |
| 11:41:59 | amiconn | And what would be shown before loading the splash? On flashed targets, loading the splash can easily take 3 seconds (spinup), and then the splash might be shown for less than a second... |
| 11:42:44 | preglow | instead make it a build option or something so it's easier to specify a builtin splash |
| 11:42:50 | amiconn | ie: Self-modifying? How? It would need to change the flash. And on most archos targets, the in-flash copy is compressed.... |
| 11:43:10 | petur | maybe #ifdef it for flashed builds? |
| 11:43:28 | amiconn | Flashed builds aren't special |
| 11:43:33 | linuxstb_ | preglow: That's what I was thinking - not making it a build option as such, but making the logo display code adapt to different sized logos better (via the pre-processor). So a user just needs to replace the .bmp, and not change any code. |
| 11:43:44 | preglow | yes |
| 11:43:48 | preglow | that would be nice |
| 11:44:09 | ie | amiconn: not for the flash of course. But if RB is loaded from disc, the user doesn't necessarily have to have the delay each time RB is booted. |
| 11:44:13 | amiconn | The logo display does adapt to different logo sizes |
| 11:44:30 | linuxstb_ | I thought there was a 10-pixel hard-coded offset? |
| 11:44:45 | linuxstb_ | So you can't have a full-screen bitmap... |
| 11:44:51 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe I confuse it with the usb screen |
| 11:45:15 | Llorean | Yeah, there's a 10 pixel offset |
| 11:45:22 | linuxstb_ | And there's always that binary patching application for people who don't want to compile themselves... |
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| 11:45:53 | GodEater | yep |
| 11:46:14 | ie | linuxstb: couldn't we make a plugin out of that? |
| 11:46:26 | linuxstb_ | Who is "we" ? ;) |
| 11:46:41 | linuxstb_ | Of course, someone could. |
| 11:46:53 | ie | linuxstb: not me :-) I meant "you" :-))) |
| 11:47:11 | * | GodEater suspects the answer is "no" in that case |
| 11:47:21 | linuxstb_ | ie: No. |
| 11:47:24 | linuxstb_ | ;) |
| 11:47:42 | * | GodEater awards himself a point for being right |
| 11:49:31 | GodEater | it would make more sense for someone to do it as a plugin mind you - then it would be platform independent |
| 11:51:37 | Llorean | GodEater: Or just add the existing program's functionality to RBUtil |
| 11:51:40 | ie | He-he. Just as a joke: It should be possible to make a plugin that would modify the RB binary and write the settings values at their respective offsets. Then we could dispose all the settings mgmt code and treat settings as consts in the core! :-) |
| 11:51:51 | Llorean | Then when you extract a new build with RBUtil, it can 'patch' the binary. |
| 11:52:00 | * | linuxstb_ wonders if we could just append the bootsplash bmp to the end of the binary... |
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| 11:53:06 | Llorean | The problem right now is that it's a raw image, already converted, isn't it? |
| 11:53:07 | GodEater | Llorean: that's a neat idea too |
| 11:53:15 | * | daurnimator chants "do it" |
| 11:53:56 | Llorean | GodEater: I really shouldn't come up with neat ideas I'm not willing to implement |
| 11:54:17 | GodEater | is the source for logoswapper available? Or is it only a binary ? |
| 11:55:16 | preglow | linuxstb_: ugh... |
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| 11:55:48 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Yes, I should accept there's no clean solution... |
| 11:55:58 | GodEater | hmm - no - doesn't appear to be |
| 11:56:10 | GodEater | that would make putting it into RBUtil more of a pain |
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| 11:57:46 | preglow | at least we shouldn't go for solutions that aren't clean |
| 11:59:31 | * | GodEater laughs at Llorean's post in the misticriver thread |
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| 12:06:28 | * | petur goes pick up a H10... |
| 12:06:45 | preglow | lemme know if you want ipod testers |
| 12:08:03 | linuxstb_ | petur: I know it's not functional, but is the USB code anywhere near being ready to be committed to SVN? |
| 12:08:43 | barrywardell | petur: I have a slightly newer patch for when you get back |
| 12:12:17 | preglow | i hope ac gets his ums driver working soon |
| 12:12:34 | preglow | i'm itching to see rockbox deal with its own disk mode :> |
| 12:14:44 | * | aliask too |
| 12:20:08 | barrywardell | aliask: any luck with getting it to work with the gigabeat? |
| 12:20:40 | aliask | I just synced the main gigabeat s branch with the changes from the trunk since it was merged, so hopefully the patch will apply now. |
| 12:21:05 | aliask | You mentioned you had a slightly updated patch, do you mind posting it? |
| 12:21:42 | pixelma | on Archos, wav files got the wrong icon again (the wavView one) though they are correctly launched with wavPlay - could it be related to your plugin category changes, JdGordon? |
| 12:22:24 | barrywardell | aliask: It might only make things worse for you. I tried using the codec iram for the usb data structures |
| 12:23:04 | aliask | barrywardell: Ok, I'll stick with the old patch. |
| 12:23:12 | preglow | who did the icatcher theme again? |
| 12:23:31 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Are there problems with IRAM availability? |
| 12:23:44 | linuxstb_ | (i.e. the usb code needs too much?) |
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| 12:23:51 | pixelma | preglow: Genre9mp3 |
| 12:23:53 | preglow | we need a wma icon now :/ |
| 12:24:03 | preglow | linuxstb_: how much does the usb code need? :// |
| 12:24:14 | linuxstb_ | preglow: That's what I'm asking... |
| 12:24:31 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: yes |
| 12:24:33 | linuxstb_ | But it seems that the data needs to be in IRAM or it won't work. |
| 12:24:44 | preglow | data i would expect have to be in iram, yes |
| 12:24:47 | barrywardell | we need 4kb, aligned to 4k boundary |
| 12:24:48 | preglow | but i can't believe there'd be too much of it |
| 12:24:57 | pixelma | preglow: there are other codec icons missing and not enough slots - that's why I didn't bother (same applies to other svn wps too) |
| 12:25:11 | preglow | pixelma: slots? why is that a problem? |
| 12:25:20 | preglow | pixelma: what other codec icons, btw? i can't see any |
| 12:25:27 | linuxstb_ | The 52 limit on numbers of images |
| 12:25:31 | preglow | oh, yeah, spc, for example |
| 12:25:43 | preglow | well, that sounds nasty |
| 12:25:50 | pixelma | preglow: they all got the "unknown" icon |
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| 12:25:57 | _jz | hello ! |
| 12:26:07 | barrywardell | aliask: barrywardell.net/assets/files/mrh_try_barry5.diff">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/mrh_try_barry5.diff in case you want to try it |
| 12:26:09 | preglow | seems a bit of a waste to have three icons for mp1/mp2/mp3, why don't we just call all of them MPEG or something? |
| 12:26:16 | _jz | would there be a way that the "comment" field of the ID3 be displayed multiline ? |
| 12:26:28 | _jz | I got more and more mixes where this field contains a tracklisting |
| 12:26:33 | _jz | with carriage returns |
| 12:26:36 | linuxstb_ | preglow: That's not really a solution... (personally I like mp2 being different to mp3) |
| 12:26:54 | preglow | wasn't inteded as a solution to anything, it just seems like overkill |
| 12:26:55 | _jz | an on one list it scrolls but doesn't even go to the end (and takes so much time that the screens goes off whatever happens :) |
| 12:27:04 | pixelma | and you'll hit the limit later again |
| 12:27:06 | GodEater | _jz: not really - the rockbox playing screen is line based |
| 12:27:12 | pixelma | (probably) ;) |
| 12:27:13 | barrywardell | preglow, linuxstb_: buffer, dev_td and dev_qh need to be in iram for things to work |
| 12:27:29 | _jz | i mean in the "ID3 infos" of the contextual menu |
| 12:28:18 | JdGordon | pixelma: no, sounds unrelated... but ill have a quikc look for you |
| 12:28:22 | GodEater | _jz: that's more of a possibility - but someone would have to code it... |
| 12:28:23 | JdGordon | i tinhk its the viewers.config file |
| 12:28:54 | pixelma | JdGordon: thanks :) |
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| 12:29:08 | daurnimator | JdGordon! |
| 12:29:13 | _jz | GodEater: don't look at me that way, i ain't no coder ! ;) |
| 12:29:28 | GodEater | _jz: lots of people start off not being a coder |
| 12:29:37 | JdGordon | pixelma: which icon does it get? |
| 12:29:39 | JdGordon | hey daurnimator |
| 12:30:09 | pixelma | the wavview one as mentioned |
| 12:30:16 | JdGordon | instead of? |
| 12:30:32 | _jz | yeah true |
| 12:30:43 | _jz | most coders weren't coders before they became coders anyway :) |
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| 12:31:51 | pixelma | JdGordon: that other note as here http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ondiofm/rockbox-buildap1.html#x14-225000A |
| 12:32:41 | JdGordon | is .wav an inbuilt type? |
| 12:32:45 | JdGordon | on hwcodec |
| 12:33:28 | pixelma | no, you can only play it with the wavplay viewer atm |
| 12:33:30 | JdGordon | yeah, its not... Ill change it t the audio icon |
| 12:34:52 | JdGordon | done |
| 12:35:21 | linuxstb_ | _jz: Your mixes don't have the option of a cuefile? |
| 12:35:42 | pixelma | JdGordon: thanks again - I just wondered, I though there was a similar fix already once |
| 12:35:47 | pixelma | *thought |
| 12:36:20 | _jz | linuxstb: no they don't |
| 12:36:36 | _jz | linuxstb: they're plain mp3 attached to RSS feeds via so-called "podcasts" |
| 12:36:41 | pixelma | JdGordon: hmm... is that the same as mp3 would get now? |
| 12:36:51 | _jz | linuxstb: it's a good thing already those guys do tracklisting ! :) |
| 12:37:01 | _jz | linuxstb: but it's not exploitable at all using rockbox :/ |
| 12:37:03 | petur | hmmm isn't the H10 UMS? |
| 12:37:31 | pixelma | afaik there are different models |
| 12:37:42 | pixelma | some UMS, some MTP |
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| 12:38:01 | petur | it's a H10 5GB but no text on the case |
| 12:38:15 | petur | so it's 'supposed to be an H10' |
| 12:38:23 | pixelma | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH10Info ;) |
| 12:38:35 | JdGordon | pixelma: yea, shold use the mp3 icon |
| 12:38:49 | barrywardell | petur: it's possible to make any H10 into UMS if necessary |
| 12:38:56 | pixelma | JdGordon: they were slightly different before... |
| 12:39:00 | JdGordon | they were? |
| 12:39:04 | pixelma | (a different icon) |
| 12:39:25 | petur | must be the MTP as the battery is removable |
| 12:39:39 | JdGordon | so which do you want it t use? just modify the first occurance of wav in viewers.config.... |
| 12:39:49 | preglow | what do you need to do to run other code on a gigabeat s? |
| 12:40:29 | aliask | preglow: Windows xp, and a hacked version of the gigabeat V update software |
| 12:40:53 | barrywardell | petur: the battery is removable on both MTP and UMS. the only difference is in the firmware |
| 12:41:04 | markun | aliask: wow, that sucks :( |
| 12:41:12 | aliask | Tell me about it D: |
| 12:42:35 | preglow | do you see any way around that? |
| 12:43:30 | GodEater | preglow: have you managed to get your hands on one then ? I'm still hunting ... |
| 12:43:45 | aliask | The firmware files are just sitting on the hard disk if you remove the hdd from the gigabeat and mount it in either an external box, or an ipod video, but I'm not sure if they are flashed if they are replaced |
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| 12:44:04 | pixelma | JdGordon: I meant the one that's right above the wavview one (the wave form) in the viewers bmp |
| 12:44:09 | preglow | GodEater: nope |
| 12:44:15 | preglow | GodEater: still hunting? are they hard to find? |
| 12:44:34 | GodEater | incredibly |
| 12:44:46 | preglow | how annoying |
| 12:44:50 | GodEater | every site I've seen which even says they sell them says "Out of stock" when you get there |
| 12:44:56 | GodEater | and I've not found any on ebay either |
| 12:45:06 | aliask | Really? There are always at least a couple selling on ebay in australia |
| 12:45:21 | GodEater | I'll have a look there then |
| 12:45:23 | JdGordon | pixelma: you wanted the one under the mushroom one? |
| 12:45:42 | * | GodEater has been searching ebay uk and usa |
| 12:45:46 | * | pondlife too |
| 12:45:47 | pixelma | JdGordon: no |
| 12:46:23 | aliask | Wow, none on ebay.au either... it's a conspiracy |
| 12:46:26 | GodEater | unless I'm using the wrong search criteria, there's no there eitehr |
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| 12:46:59 | * | GodEater tries ebay.co.jp |
| 12:47:17 | * | pondlife enjoys Nico_P's diff comments on http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox.git?a=commitdiff;h=8642aa889d0c06e806aa23cb403d36f183867fdc |
| 12:47:33 | pixelma | the 1/16th notes (IIRC) and if you look closely at the link I gave you earlier you can see the differences for the .mp3 and the .wav file icons |
| 12:47:58 | JdGordon | pixelma: the 4th icon from the bottom? |
| 12:48:18 | pixelma | yepp |
| 12:48:26 | JdGordon | oh ok |
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| 12:51:16 | linuxstb_ | splitters... |
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| 12:51:34 | B4gder | the people's front? |
| 12:51:41 | pondlife | :) |
| 12:51:57 | * | pondlife was too slow typing "back after this message" |
| 12:52:03 | * | linuxstb_ restrains himself from going there |
| 12:52:32 | pixelma | JdGordon: hmm... I'm sorry but you "fixed" it for a different app, I meant wavplay - but I think I could do it myself now... |
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| 12:53:16 | * | JdGordon really confused :p |
| 12:53:56 | pixelma | not sure but I also think it could also be the correct move for wav2wv - is that used on irivers? |
| 12:54:05 | JdGordon | dunno |
| 12:54:39 | amiconn | petur: The small H10 always has removable battery. Doesn't tell anything about it being ums or mtp |
| 12:54:57 | amiconn | nm |
| 12:55:05 | * | amiconn should read further before commenting |
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| 13:01:52 | karashata | um, who do I need to ask here for write permissions to the wiki pages? |
| 13:02:19 | GodEater | pretty much anyone ;) |
| 13:02:20 | B4gder | you must bow in the general developer direction and then it works by magic! |
| 13:02:25 | GodEater | whats you're wiki name ? |
| 13:02:32 | karashata | AlexVanderpol |
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| 13:03:24 | GodEater | karashata: done |
| 13:03:37 | karashata | thank you, muchly appreciated |
| 13:03:38 | B4gder | by the general developers who appreciated the bow |
| 13:03:41 | B4gder | :-P |
| 13:04:06 | GodEater | surely if we're "generals" then it should be a salute, not a bow ? |
| 13:04:41 | B4gder | I only did 10 months in the army and it was a long tim ago... :-) |
| 13:04:48 | karashata | *chuckles and gives a half-hearted salute before heading back to the wiki pages* |
| 13:04:51 | * | GodEater had more sense than to do any ;) |
| 13:05:12 | B4gder | back in my days you couldn't opt out... |
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| 13:06:15 | JdGordon | not another me! |
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| 13:09:31 | * | amiconn seems to have a few built-in auo-typos ;) |
| 13:09:36 | amiconn | *auto |
| 13:09:49 | pixelma | haha |
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| 13:13:53 | aliask | Anyone familiar with the usb enable code in usb-fw-pp502x.c? Or is this just copied from what the apple firmware does? |
| 13:14:10 | amiconn | bah |
| 13:14:35 | amiconn | aliask: Does the gbs have software usb? |
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| 13:20:53 | barrywardell | aliask: a bit. it causes a reboot into bootloader usb |
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| 13:21:14 | pixelma | JdGordon: sorry for all the confusion. :) |
| 13:21:24 | JdGordon | no worries |
| 13:21:53 | aliask | amiconn: Yep |
| 13:22:44 | aliask | Be back in a second: current.txt and what my irc client is saying are not agreeing. |
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| 13:23:39 | aliask | barrywardell: I was more interested in what all the inl and oul were doing |
| 13:23:57 | aliask | So that I could try to replicate it. |
| 13:24:27 | karashata | hmm, editing wiki pages isn't quite as easy as I thought, but, I got it done |
| 13:24:56 | karashata | there's now one more theme available for H10 20GB and iAudio X5 up |
| 13:25:12 | barrywardell | aliask: that's pp specific stuff. as a first attempt, I think you could just remove it |
| 13:26:45 | aliask | And because of the lack of interrupts, I can't add usb_int to the tick tasks, so can I just stick it in a while(1) loop in the bootloader? Will this cause it to simply wait for a connection? |
| 13:27:05 | barrywardell | yeah, a while loop will be fine |
| 13:27:12 | aliask | Great. |
| 13:27:40 | barrywardell | that's how e200tool works |
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| 13:28:19 | GodEater | karashata: I just tidied up your title on the X5 theme page so it doesn't try to turn it into a link |
| 13:29:00 | marsjannno | Hi all! Is there any way to use nike+ stuff with ipod nano with rockbox? |
| 13:29:21 | amiconn | aliask: No interrupts? |
| 13:29:41 | GodEater | marsjannno: not currently no |
| 13:29:58 | aliask | amiconn: It could be simply a product of doing everything in the bootloader, but neither me nor ptw419 have figured out how to enable them |
| 13:30:19 | karashata | GodEater: Thanks. Any suggestions how to fix the not-working hdd and hold icons? |
| 13:30:43 | GodEater | karashata: I'm no expert with WPS authoring I'm afraid |
| 13:30:52 | GodEater | you're better off posting that question in the WPS section of the forums |
| 13:31:04 | karashata | mm, thanks, I'll keep that in mind then |
| 13:31:22 | karashata | in the mean time I'll poke about with what I've got and see if I can't make something work |
| 13:31:29 | GodEater | the guys in there will probably answer quite quick |
| 13:31:34 | amiconn | aliask: Well, you probably won't get far without getting interrupts to work |
| 13:32:02 | amiconn | The bootloader is another thing. You might want to keep interrupts disabled if you are going to allow dual boot |
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| 13:34:22 | k-man__ | so how do i install rockbox on a new ipod? |
| 13:34:22 | JdGordon | you read the manual |
| 13:34:30 | pixelma | karashata: tried what happens if you define an empty "else"-part, like "%?mh<%xdH|> . Though I thought I read it shouldn't be necessary, maybe that's worth a try? |
| 13:34:36 | k-man__ | ok |
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| 13:36:25 | fxb | :D |
| 13:36:36 | B4gder | channel cleanup week! |
| 13:36:40 | pixelma | last week I was in the minor part of a netsplit - only 15 left :D |
| 13:36:43 | GodEater | it's going well so far! |
| 13:37:15 | scorche | B4gder: shall we op up and take care of the rest of the bunch? >=) |
| 13:37:32 | GodEater | nuke 'em till they glow! |
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| 13:38:26 | k-man__ | can you install rockbox on a mac formatted ipod? |
| 13:38:39 | pixelma | GodEater_: who would be first now? ;) |
| 13:38:41 | GodEater | k-man__: no - but there are instructions in the wiki on how to convert to a winpod |
| 13:38:47 | scorche | after you reformat it according to our instructions, yes |
| 13:38:50 | GodEater | pixelma: not for me to say ;) |
| 13:38:53 | k-man__ | GodEater, ah, ok |
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| 13:39:51 | GodEater | k-man__: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 13:40:08 | GodEater | k-man__: this is assuming of course you're using a supported ipod |
| 13:40:21 | k-man__ | 80gig ipod |
| 13:40:31 | k-man__ | its a 5th gen |
| 13:40:37 | GodEater | k-man__: you're good to go then |
| 13:41:39 | k-man__ | i don't have any music on the ipod yet |
| 13:41:46 | k-man__ | i might as well do the apple reformat |
| 13:42:00 | k-man__ | rather than fiddling around with dd and the like |
| 13:42:17 | GodEater | yep - "the easy way" is called that for a reason ;) |
| 13:42:31 | k-man__ | oh, those instructions are a mac.. if you don't have access to a pc |
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| 13:44:43 | webguest69 | has anyone managed to decrypt the unofficial sansa firmware? (1.03.07P or 1.03.01H) |
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| 13:45:51 | B4gder | webguest69: I guess you're saying that a recent mi4code doesn't do that? |
| 13:47:58 | webguest69 | yeah |
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| 13:49:08 | Crash91 | well there havent been any updates to it from feb AFAIK |
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| 13:49:22 | B4gder | updates to what? |
| 13:49:31 | Crash91 | Version 0.9.33-beta, uploaded February 23 2007 |
| 13:49:33 | Crash91 | mi4code |
| 13:49:42 | k-man__ | are there screenshots of rockbox somewhere? |
| 13:50:04 | B4gder | Crash91: right, but normally they use the same key so it wouldn't have to be updated |
| 13:50:05 | Crash91 | http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=rockbox&gbv=2 ? |
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| 13:50:33 | Crash91 | yeah...i tried doing this on the 1.03.07P firmware i got from the Lodist forum |
| 13:50:35 | B4gder | Crash91: any chance you can extract the BL and scan for the key? |
| 13:50:43 | greek_guy | hi everyone! could someone be kind and tell me till what ipod is rockbox supports? |
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| 13:50:50 | scorche | k-man__: rockbox is themable, so its looks can change drastically from theme to theme |
| 13:50:55 | B4gder | greek_guy: check the rockbox.org front page |
| 13:50:58 | scorche | (although the wording in menus wont) |
| 13:51:04 | k-man__ | scorche, ah, ok |
| 13:51:14 | Crash91 | B4dger:uhm....i dont think so, but i can link you to the downlaod |
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| 13:51:22 | k-man__ | just trying to get an idea what it will be like to use compared to the ipod |
| 13:51:30 | B4gder | Crash91: we can start with that! |
| 13:51:44 | Crash91 | ok, im not much of a programmer lol |
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| 13:52:13 | Crash91 | B4dger: http://lodist.com/showthread.php?t=4183 |
| 13:52:22 | B4gder | Crash91: you |
| 13:52:29 | greek_guy | b4gder , i checked it already im just a little bit confused.. is that supporting the latest ipod video? |
| 13:52:29 | B4gder | 're not using linux by any chance? |
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| 13:52:38 | B4gder | greek_guy: yes |
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| 13:54:13 | Crash91 | server split or something?! |
| 13:54:40 | Zagor | yup |
| 13:54:57 | scorche | Crash91: search wikipedia for "netsplit" |
| 13:55:20 | Crash91 | too lazy |
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| 13:56:03 | aliask | All this netsplitting is getting annoying. |
| 13:56:04 | amiconn | Does the Sansa OF offer anything that rockbox doesn't? |
| 13:56:08 | Crash91 | B4dger: Ping? |
| 13:56:25 | * | amiconn wonders why people want to upgrade OF when they're using rockbox |
| 13:56:35 | B4gder | mi4code decr firmware.mi4 firmware.bin 1d29ddc0 2579c2cd ce339e1a 75465dfe |
| 13:56:44 | B4gder | works like a charm |
| 13:56:52 | Crash91 | amiconn: Instant on |
| 13:56:59 | amiconn | ? |
| 13:57:02 | B4gder | amiconn: usb |
| 13:57:06 | Crash91 | like sleep mode |
| 13:57:10 | Crash91 | and that too |
| 13:57:22 | amiconn | I severely doubnt that OF suspend will work with rockbox |
| 13:57:24 | B4gder | but I certainly don't upgrade my Sansa's OF |
| 13:57:30 | Crash91 | Longer battery time....i use OF when i need to conserver battery |
| 13:57:30 | amiconn | Rockbox shuts down the hw |
| 13:57:33 | B4gder | totally pointless imo |
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| 13:58:06 | Crash91 | well, ive been hearing rumors about it..... just wanted to check it out |
| 13:58:21 | Crash91 | rockbox lets you do that without the hassle of restarting multiple times..... |
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| 13:58:51 | amiconn | ? |
| 13:58:55 | k-man_ | how hard is it to reformat the ipod back to ipod only software if i decide its not for me? |
| 13:59:01 | Crash91 | and anyway my sansa has 12.15A....something like that... i think the latest is 12.18 |
| 13:59:22 | Crash91 | k-man_: that would be unlikely :p |
| 13:59:35 | k-man_ | yes... but in the unlikely event.... |
| 13:59:42 | dionoea | k-man_: it's easy. You use the apple tool to restore it AFAIK. |
| 13:59:49 | Shaid | you run the apple restore tool |
| 13:59:49 | k-man_ | ok |
| 13:59:59 | Shaid | it's easy, but you lose the music on it, obviously |
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| 14:00:12 | amiconn | It's easier, without losing any music |
| 14:00:32 | amiconn | Just use ipodpatcher to remove the bootlader, and delete the .rockbox folder |
| 14:00:49 | B4gder | Crash91: ok, I added the new key to mi4code.c |
| 14:01:02 | Crash91 | thanks |
| 14:01:29 | Crash91 | i dont have a flyspray account...but i have a few bugs for it....anyone willing to report? |
| 14:02:14 | B4gder | Crash91: get an account and file them yourself, it's still the best since/if we want feedback and or have questions etc etc |
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| 14:02:41 | Crash91 | ok, ok lol |
| 14:03:01 | Crash91 | can you confirm one for me? |
| 14:03:02 | amiconn | linuxstb: Btw, the occasional low-bat warning from the apple loader when rockbox is installed is actually a bug in the apple loader, not something we're doing wrong |
| 14:03:15 | | Part rogelio ("Kopete 0.12.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") |
| 14:03:31 | amiconn | Rockbox just makes it more likely to appear, because it always shuts down the hardware+ |
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| 14:03:54 | amiconn | It only happens on cold boot, not when waking up (the OF) from suspend |
| 14:05:21 | Crash91 | k-man_: If you would like to go back to using the original Ipod software, connect the player to your computer, and follow the instructions to install the bootloader, but when prompted by ipodpatcher, enter ’u’ for uninstall, instead of ’i’ for install. |
| 14:05:31 | dashavoo | Hi, I was just wondering if any work was being done on supporting nano 2nd gen at all? The website has said for a while that it isn't supported, but doesn't mention whether or not an effort is being made to support it |
| 14:05:34 | amiconn | It's just that the loader checks the voltage too early, so if the power button bounces a lot, it gets a too low reading |
| 14:05:44 | B4gder | dashavoo: there's nobody working on it |
| 14:05:46 | k-man_ | Crash91, ah, ok |
| 14:05:50 | dashavoo | B4gder, k, thanks |
| 14:05:57 | B4gder | dashavoo: but it's also a very tricky problem to work on |
| 14:06:21 | dashavoo | hmm.. what exactly causes the problem for supporting it? is it the encryption? |
| 14:06:26 | B4gder | yes |
| 14:06:40 | amiconn | Yes, and it's totally different hardware from all other ipods |
| 14:06:43 | B4gder | there's nothing plain text, all we can get is encrypted |
| 14:07:01 | Crash91 | cya guys |
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| 14:08:03 | B4gder | that 1.03.07 sansa firmware seems... really not something to use |
| 14:10:36 | B4gder | btw mi4code is sooo cool |
| 14:10:48 | B4gder | took me 3 seconds to get that new key |
| 14:11:23 | B4gder | I find it very amusing that they bother to change it |
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| 14:12:32 | dionoea | maybe their release script just generates a new key every time. So they don't do it on purpose to bother you. |
| 14:12:35 | petur | MrH for president :) |
| 14:14:31 | linuxstb_ | Maybe it's a way to ensure the bootloader and main firmware binaries are in sync? |
| 14:14:53 | B4gder | dionoea: they don't change it every time |
| 14:15:02 | B4gder | yeah, it could be a sync thing |
| 14:15:17 | dionoea | rha, i lose :) |
| 14:15:20 | B4gder | and in fact, I think it is also done to prevent downgrading |
| 14:15:34 | B4gder | or perhaps that'st just a side-effect |
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| 14:19:41 | Skellington | hello? |
| 14:19:50 | chrisjs169_ | Skellington: Hello? |
| 14:19:56 | JdGordon | B4gder: are the .maps for the svn builds avilable? |
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| 14:20:04 | B4gder | no |
| 14:20:06 | Skellington | umm ive got a bit of a problem |
| 14:20:35 | Skellington | i was trying to dualboot my ipod. |
| 14:21:01 | Skellington | but i already had rockbox on it and i removed the rockbox folder. |
| 14:21:10 | Skellington | and now my ipods sorta frozen. |
| 14:21:15 | Skellington | well i cant turn it off. |
| 14:21:18 | linuxstb_ | What does it say on the screen? |
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| 14:23:07 | Skellington | rockbox boot loader version 1.1 ipod versio:0x00050014 toshiba mk2006gal partition 1: 0x0b 19030 mb loading rockbox error! cant load rockbox.ipod:file not found hold menu+select to reboot then select+play for disk mode |
| 14:23:21 | Skellington | i did what it told me and only the first one works |
| 14:23:25 | Skellington | disk mode dosent |
| 14:23:39 | linuxstb_ | You need to press and hold select+play immediately after your ipod reboots. |
| 14:23:43 | linuxstb_ | It _will_ work. |
| 14:24:24 | Skellington | ahh thank you |
| 14:25:11 | parafin | yes |
| 14:25:59 | Skellington | ok now i have another question. how do i make my ipod dualboot. |
| 14:26:12 | Skellington | i was reading a guide but i keep getting an error |
| 14:26:23 | petur | read the manual? |
| 14:27:36 | linuxstb_ | Skillington: The normal Rockbox installation will be dual-boot. To start the Apple firmware, turn the hold switch on as you boot (before the backlight comes on). |
| 14:28:04 | linuxstb_ | (as petur said, this is in the manual) |
| 14:28:19 | Skellington | but i read in this guide, theres a way to get a menu where you choose your ipods os. |
| 14:28:47 | linuxstb_ | Yes, the software that does that (the ipodlinux loader2) isn't written by us, so we can't help you use it. |
| 14:29:03 | Skellington | ahh i understand. |
| 14:29:38 | Skellington | well thanks anyway. i was begining to panic a little. |
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| 14:54:39 | parafin | how can i reset theme? |
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| 14:56:38 | aliask | How can I check the usb status on my (linux) computer? |
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| 14:57:37 | dionoea | aliask: like list the connected devices ? |
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| 14:58:27 | aliask | Well, it won't show up as a device, but I want to see what is transferred (for the USB stack stuff) |
| 14:58:56 | dionoea | ah, i don't know then. lsusb lists the devices connected |
| 14:59:25 | B4gder | you probably need to rebuild the kernel with usb debug enabled |
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| 14:59:36 | GodEater | aliask: I would have thought dmesg would probably show at least something too |
| 14:59:49 | B4gder | there's a usbmon thing too that might work/be enabled |
| 14:59:50 | GodEater | even if it's only "unknown device" |
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| 15:00:46 | aliask | Hrm, nothing from dmesg or lsusb. |
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| 15:03:56 | GodEater | hmm - never used usbmon |
| 15:04:40 | aliask | barrywardell: What have you been using to verify what's being sent to your PC? |
| 15:04:59 | barrywardell | i'm using a mac |
| 15:05:14 | barrywardell | and have a debug version of the usb stack installed, along with usb prober |
| 15:05:14 | aliask | s/PC/mac/ |
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| 15:05:30 | barrywardell | it gives me lots of debug info |
| 15:06:03 | B4gder | http://www.linux-usb.org/USBMon/presentations/USB-presentation%201_files/v3_document.htm |
| 15:06:23 | barrywardell | on linux dmesg should give something. austriancoder posted what he got |
| 15:06:47 | aliask | Yes, I suspect nothing is happening - no response on player at all (though i'm not sure what I expect) |
| 15:06:50 | GodEater | yeah, I'm surprised you're not seeing *anything* from dmesg |
| 15:07:39 | barrywardell | is dr_controlle_run() getting called? that's necessary before you see anything |
| 15:07:47 | aliask | All the warnings in the build are normal I assume. |
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| 15:10:30 | parafin | how can i reset theme? |
| 15:11:02 | parafin | ah, found |
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| 15:12:10 | barrywardell | aliask: do you have a patch I can see? |
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| 15:13:40 | pondlife | "the word 'must' was used without attaching a patch" :) |
| 15:13:59 | JdGordon | no lieky? |
| 15:14:44 | aliask | barrywardell: Want me to make one for you from the gigabeat s branch? |
| 15:14:49 | pondlife | lieky! |
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| 15:15:49 | rasher | JdGordon: Why did you close FS #6907? Looks like a perfectly legitimate feature request to me |
| 15:16:23 | JdGordon_ | for the reason pondlife quoted... |
| 15:16:29 | JdGordon_ | also it wont work so well... |
| 15:16:37 | JdGordon_ | it will be a pretty big hack to work |
| 15:16:44 | rasher | A comment by another user is grounds to close a feature request? |
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| 15:17:10 | * | JdGordon may have been is a pissy mood when closing that |
| 15:17:11 | rasher | last I looked, most feature requests didnt' include a patch |
| 15:17:29 | JdGordon | ... but he said definatly must!!!!! |
| 15:18:14 | pondlife | It's still a valid FR IMHO. |
| 15:18:26 | barrywardell | aliask: if it's not any trouble, yes please |
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| 15:18:39 | barrywardell | to see if I can spot anything |
| 15:19:48 | rasher | JdGordon: I don't see how it will inherently be a "pretty big hack". I don't think feature requests are required to fit in nicely with the way things are done right now. |
| 15:20:02 | JdGordon | well.. yes and no |
| 15:20:09 | aliask | barrywardell: aliask.dyndns.org:70/temp/usb_firstshot.patch">http://aliask.dyndns.org:70/temp/usb_firstshot.patch |
| 15:20:33 | pondlife | It's a UI feature, needs support in the list code for multi-selects, then some work in the browser to use it. |
| 15:20:44 | barrywardell | thanks |
| 15:20:46 | * | GodEater tends to agree with rasher here. |
| 15:20:52 | JdGordon | .. reopened |
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| 15:21:04 | JdGordon | I know how it _could_ be implemented, but yeah, it wont be nice |
| 15:21:22 | GodEater | oooh oooh oooh |
| 15:21:41 | pondlife | It's always possible to find a nice way to implement something... even if it involves getting Nico_P to rewrite it from scratch. |
| 15:21:42 | * | GodEater wants to respond to the Nintendo DS New Port thread with "Hahahahaha - no". |
| 15:21:49 | JdGordon | haha pondlife |
| 15:21:55 | amiconn | barrywardell: You could also check out the gbs branch into a separate working copy |
| 15:21:59 | GodEater | pondlife: is he your bitch or something now ? |
| 15:22:04 | pondlife | If only |
| 15:22:13 | pondlife | But I'm liking his work |
| 15:22:25 | JdGordon | how far has he got with playback? |
| 15:22:28 | pondlife | Anyway, I just hope JdGordon can resist the urte to hack |
| 15:22:31 | barrywardell | amiconn: but does that include the new usb stuff? |
| 15:22:33 | pondlife | urge, even |
| 15:22:52 | JdGordon | dont you mean, give in, so that request can be done? |
| 15:22:53 | pondlife | JdGordon: Not sure, have just downloaded his latest git |
| 15:23:22 | pondlife | JdGordon: I mean, leave it on the tracker, then implement if you want to, but not by a nasty hack :) |
| 15:23:59 | GodEater | pondlife: which git? His MoB only one, or his "complete Rockbox tree" one ? |
| 15:24:15 | pondlife | Hmm, "mob" seems to contain an entire Rockbox... |
| 15:24:23 | GodEater | that's the new then |
| 15:24:45 | pondlife | I'm not sure if it's the right one yet, will attempt to compile shortly. |
| 15:25:20 | barrywardell | aliask: try adding dr_controller_run(); after usb_init() in bootloader/gigabeat-s.c |
| 15:25:51 | pondlife | I don't know git, but I'd assume it's possible for him to diff against current SVN and produce patches fairly easily.. |
| 15:25:59 | GodEater | that's a doddle |
| 15:26:01 | GodEater | I do it |
| 15:26:11 | JdGordon | well... I guess the worst part of the multi select is having an array to hold which are selected... there are a few different ways that can be done, and all are bad |
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| 15:26:24 | GodEater | but last time I looked his MoB git tree had no rockbox code in it practically |
| 15:26:35 | pondlife | Well, that one contains the lot |
| 15:27:05 | GodEater | I think you're looking at the wrong one |
| 15:27:08 | GodEater | I just pulled his MoB one |
| 15:27:12 | GodEater | and there's still not much in it |
| 15:27:26 | pondlife | Which URL are you using? |
| 15:27:40 | pondlife | The one I have refuses to compile :) |
| 15:27:42 | JdGordon | .... then there's the problem of showing the selections... |
| 15:27:53 | pondlife | JdGordon: Cursor bar? |
| 15:27:55 | JdGordon | and lastly, onplay.c assumes 1 file selected... |
| 15:28:20 | GodEater | git://repo.or.cz/Rockbox-MoB.git |
| 15:28:25 | rasher | JdGordon: and all of those problem are solvable, surely. This is SCIENCE afterall. |
| 15:28:27 | JdGordon | but you need to distinguise between selections and the current selection |
| 15:28:57 | JdGordon | rasher: of course, im just saying why it wont happen |
| 15:28:57 | pondlife | Well, onplay would certainly need work. But I'd like to see the context code moved out of a central place (into the various UIs themselves, if that makes any sense).. |
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| 15:29:33 | * | JdGordon thinks up some wonderful macros for onplay.c :D |
| 15:29:39 | pondlife | GodEater: Do you have an http:// link for that? |
| 15:30:00 | GodEater | http://repo.or.cz/r/Rockbox-MoB.git |
| 15:30:27 | GodEater | though that's for checking out |
| 15:30:29 | rasher | JdGordon: I don't see how it's much different than introducing a "currently selected items" and making the appropriate places aware of it |
| 15:30:33 | GodEater | you probably want : http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox-MoB.git |
| 15:31:02 | pondlife | Is it mob or master I want? |
| 15:31:11 | GodEater | just master |
| 15:31:16 | pondlife | Ah, I went for mob |
| 15:31:18 | JdGordon | rasher: well yes, but there is more to it than that |
| 15:31:33 | pondlife | mob is more up-to-date than master apparently. |
| 15:31:48 | GodEater | I don't see a mob branch |
| 15:31:50 | * | GodEater is confused |
| 15:31:57 | pondlife | http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox.git?a=shortlog;h=mob |
| 15:32:08 | JdGordon | _if_ i got a definate ok to commit it, i would maybe have a go after some asignments are done |
| 15:32:35 | pondlife | As long as the single-selection UI is unchanged, and no nasty hacks are involved, it should be fine. |
| 15:32:49 | pondlife | Binary size is the only other downside, of course. |
| 15:32:54 | GodEater | pondlife: that's completely empty |
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| 15:33:04 | GodEater | pondlife: you're STILL in the wrong repo!!!! |
| 15:33:29 | pondlife | GodEater: I'm looking at the repo with the last commit "Adapt audio_loadcodec() and add..." |
| 15:34:02 | GodEater | so that's not his MoB only tree then |
| 15:34:08 | pondlife | No idea |
| 15:34:16 | GodEater | look carefully at the URLs I gave you |
| 15:34:22 | GodEater | they don't end "Rockbox.git" |
| 15:34:29 | GodEater | they end "Rockbox-MoB.git" |
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| 15:35:06 | barrywardell | aliask: any difference when you add dr_controller_run(); after usb_init()? |
| 15:35:17 | aliask | barrywardell: Still nothing. I think I'm going to have to stop testing though, I don't have access to the other computer as I'd have to wake others in the house |
| 15:35:36 | barrywardell | ok |
| 15:36:04 | aliask | I'll continue with testing tomorrow morning though, get logf to actually display something, etc |
| 15:36:16 | * | pondlife is confuddled now |
| 15:38:12 | GodEater | pondlife: I think you're in the right repo - his MoB only one doesn't have anything newer than his complete Rockbox one |
| 15:38:21 | GodEater | pondlife: so don't worry about it |
| 15:38:21 | GodEater | though in that case you DO need his mob branch |
| 15:38:33 | pondlife | That's the one I'm looking at. |
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| 15:38:52 | * | GodEater is still cloning the complete Rockbox tree |
| 15:39:01 | pondlife | buffering.c doesn't compile though |
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| 15:39:52 | GodEater | fix it |
| 15:40:19 | pondlife | I have |
| 15:40:29 | pondlife | type, should be h->type on line 365 |
| 15:40:54 | pondlife | playback.c is giving hundreds of errors still though! |
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| 15:42:29 | linuxstb_ | pondlife: I remember Nico_P saying that his code didn't even compile - i.e. that he was just starting to integrate it. |
| 15:42:43 | pondlife | That would make sense! |
| 15:43:57 | goffa | well... i'm in over my head.. hopefully someone can fix this... i'd like to see it committed |
| 15:44:00 | goffa | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2653 |
| 15:45:44 | linuxstb_ | goffa: What are you trying to do? Implement jdgordon's comments? |
| 15:52:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: Did you see my comments regarding the occasional low-bat warnings from the apple loader |
| 15:52:31 | amiconn | ? |
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| 15:59:03 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Yes. I never used to get those errors on my ipod color, but when I ugraded the Apple firmware (after using it for about a year), the new version does quite often give me that problem. |
| 15:59:28 | linuxstb_ | Or at least, it seems that way... |
| 15:59:30 | * | preglow is rid of hese low bat warnings since upgrading |
| 15:59:49 | * | GodEater has seen one only once, and then it was probably because of an actual low battery.... |
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| 16:00:01 | linuxstb_ | Maybe I should try upgrading again... |
| 16:00:33 | linuxstb_ | The gigabeat-F OF bootloader has the same issue - I very often get a low battery warning the first time I turn it on, and it works fine on the second attempt. |
| 16:00:46 | GodEater | never seen that either |
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| 16:01:26 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: I'm sure other people have reported the same Gigabeat problem as me.. |
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| 16:02:55 | * | linuxstb_ wishes for either an insane person, or someone with a JTAG to start work on ipod flashing |
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| 16:03:20 | B4gder | we need more insane people |
| 16:03:35 | * | preglow summons flasheri |
| 16:03:42 | linuxstb_ | iflasheri? |
| 16:03:46 | preglow | hahah |
| 16:03:48 | amiconn | linuxstb: We need to figure out *tons* more pp inits before thinking about that |
| 16:03:56 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: I know.. |
| 16:05:54 | * | GodEater didn't even know the ipods came with a jtag interface ;) |
| 16:06:41 | preglow | i think some ipl guy connected one |
| 16:07:15 | preglow | anyway, i'm not too familiar with jtag, do you need any additional info to use the interface once you've got it hooked up?= |
| 16:07:37 | barrywardell | I tried it on my H10 before using OpenOCD |
| 16:07:47 | preglow | afaik, bagder has two sansas with jtag interfaces which might help in understanding the pp chip |
| 16:07:58 | barrywardell | it recognised it, but OpenOCD kept crashing |
| 16:11:02 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200-devboard.html |
| 16:11:09 | B4gder | that's the one I have |
| 16:16:36 | preglow | it's a shame someone's not using it for re |
| 16:16:53 | B4gder | I agree |
| 16:17:35 | preglow | but do you know how functional the jtag interface is not knowing much about the pp chip? |
| 16:17:44 | preglow | i don't really know how much info you can glean from it using jtag |
| 16:20:03 | amiconn | Well, iiuc you could watch the OF doing stuff |
| 16:20:23 | amiconn | That should be easier than wading thorugh disassemblies |
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| 16:20:32 | amiconn | ...and more precise than using the emulator |
| 16:22:55 | preglow | like i'm saying, since the sansa is a pp device too, it's a waste that someone is not using it for re |
| 16:23:10 | preglow | assuming jtag is friendly enough to work on devices which we know little about |
| 16:23:19 | preglow | i only used jtag once, and i can barely remember even that :> |
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| 16:25:12 | barrywardell | preglow: I had limited success with jtag on my H10 (PP). It could detect the two arm cores |
| 16:25:34 | barrywardell | but then the software crashed. Do you know of any better software than OpenOCD |
| 16:25:35 | barrywardell | ? |
| 16:26:11 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Did you ever manage to talk to the IPL person working with JTAG? I forget who it was now though... |
| 16:26:42 | barrywardell | no, I asked about him |
| 16:27:01 | barrywardell | but apparently he wasn't around any more |
| 16:28:47 | linuxstb_ | Not many IPL people seem to be around any more if their SVN activity is anything to go by ;( |
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| 16:29:35 | barrywardell | I think it was davidc |
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| 16:30:02 | barrywardell | http://ipodlinux.org/Hardware_RE hasn't been updated in over a year |
| 16:32:22 | markun | linuxstb_: I also have this low battery problem with my gigabeat |
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| 16:34:50 | fxb | davidc is busy |
| 16:35:00 | fxb | we don't have ssh access to the server anymore |
| 16:35:08 | fxb | we're trying to move to a new server |
| 16:36:42 | preglow | what a desirable situation |
| 16:37:21 | fxb | and regarding svn activity... svn is broken... because sys-techs moved the server and they somehow forgot or deleted stuff, dunno |
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| 16:49:08 | linuxstb_ | fxb: Do you have a new server lined up or are you at the stage of looking for one? |
| 16:49:17 | goffa | linuxstb_: yes... implement the comments |
| 16:49:35 | goffa | of course i've got no clue |
| 16:50:33 | goffa | sorry for the delayed response.. had to go to work |
| 16:50:37 | fxb | linuxstb_: more looking for one. BleuLlama asked some people at RIT i think. |
| 16:53:18 | mexicankiller | Hi,still inactive the progress for the sansa R? |
| 16:53:21 | linuxstb_ | fxb: OK. I just wanted to ask in case someone reading this could help... |
| 16:57:45 | linuxstb_ | goffa: Regarding your wish to see it committed, I can't remember too many devs being in favour of the click-to-insert patch (although the first discussions about it was a long time ago, so I may be misremembering...) |
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| 17:06:48 | goffa | linuxstb_: i don't think they were.. but i can't remember the reasoning |
| 17:07:01 | goffa | as the patch does not affect anything by default |
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| 17:07:17 | linuxstb_ | goffa: Ah, option bloat? ;) |
| 17:07:26 | goffa | could be |
| 17:07:39 | goffa | although... i never understood that |
| 17:07:53 | goffa | having too many options? |
| 17:08:26 | linuxstb_ | goffa: Personally I never really use playlists, so click-to-insert isn't something I would want. But I can see why it would be very useful if you do. |
| 17:09:06 | goffa | well... i use one playlist containing every file on the system |
| 17:09:11 | goffa | and randomize |
| 17:09:27 | goffa | if i want to listent to an album .. i turn random off |
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| 17:09:52 | goffa | with click insert i don't spend as much time reloading my list |
| 17:09:57 | goffa | unless i screw up :) |
| 17:10:32 | goffa | but at least click insert fixes 90% of my screwups |
| 17:11:42 | goffa | the other 10 would be covered by queue and play.. but as far as i know that does not exist (that one would help me with a passenger that is unfamilair with rockbox) |
| 17:11:51 | goffa | but thats a side issue |
| 17:12:19 | DefineByte | anyone here want to quickly explain to me how the target tree works? xD oh how i wish i knew c better |
| 17:13:00 | goffa | DefineByte: i hear you on the c comment |
| 17:13:22 | goffa | i wouldn't be begging for features if i knew c :) |
| 17:13:42 | DefineByte | it's not so much c really. i'm just not used to such a sprawling source tree >.< |
| 17:14:51 | DefineByte | i need to change some logic in backlight.c to something target specific. how to move that to the target tree... i have no idea :*( |
| 17:15:55 | goffa | ah.. i think you need to gain commit access from a dev |
| 17:16:06 | goffa | or submit the code to a dev for approval |
| 17:16:06 | linuxstb_ | DefineByte: It's simply organising the device-specific code into a directory hierarchy of the form target/$cpu/$manufacturer/$model/. As well as .c files, you have .h files with names like backlight-target.h, and the Rockbox build system sets the include directory path to include the target-specific directories so the correct .h files are picked up. .c files are specified in firmware/SOURCES |
| 17:18:03 | DefineByte | so i can use target/arm/ipod/backlight-nano_video.c to change something in backlight.c? |
| 17:18:06 | linuxstb_ | DefineByte: I think you would need to write a function (in each of the target-specific backlight-*.c files within the target-tree directories) and then call that function from backlight.c |
| 17:18:39 | linuxstb_ | What exactly are you wanting to do? |
| 17:18:56 | DefineByte | so i have to add device specific code to backligt.c? i thought i was supposed to avoid that. :X |
| 17:19:14 | linuxstb_ | No, the opposite. |
| 17:19:40 | DefineByte | laff really? xD |
| 17:20:12 | markun | to opposite of adding, not the opposite of avoiding.. |
| 17:20:18 | DefineByte | i need to change backlight_isr(void) |
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| 17:20:42 | linuxstb_ | In backlight.c you would add a call to your new function - i.e. "my_backlight_function();" - and this function would have target-dependent implementations within the backlight-*.c files (e.g. backlight-nano_video.c) in target-tree. |
| 17:21:06 | TattiKi | hi |
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| 17:21:41 | DefineByte | i'm coming over all dense |
| 17:22:31 | DefineByte | i just need to change (for now) |
| 17:22:31 | DefineByte | if (bl_dim_current == bl_dim_target) |
| 17:22:31 | DefineByte | idle = true; |
| 17:22:42 | DefineByte | hmm ignore that |
| 17:22:49 | DefineByte | that wasn't meant to be posted xD |
| 17:23:09 | DefineByte | i need to change |
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| 17:23:13 | DefineByte | grr |
| 17:23:17 | DefineByte | ignore that too |
| 17:23:20 | DefineByte | sorry |
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| 17:24:55 | linuxstb_ | DefineByte: If I was you, I would just implement it in backlight.c for now (using #ifdefs for target-specific things), and then think about moving it to target tree later. It may turn out that your changes would be acceptable in backlight.c anyway (the rule is not unbreakable) |
| 17:25:19 | linuxstb_ | DefineByte: It's also easier for others to advise when we can see the actual changes you're intending to make. |
| 17:25:23 | DefineByte | that's done already |
| 17:25:30 | DefineByte | i'm trying to move it >.> |
| 17:25:42 | linuxstb_ | Do you have a patch? |
| 17:26:13 | DefineByte | it's not mine. i'm trying to move the ipod brightness patch |
| 17:26:54 | DefineByte | it uses some deprecated target detection so i thought i'd move it |
| 17:27:08 | DefineByte | famous last words |
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| 17:28:11 | linuxstb_ | Has anyone done any power consumption tests with that patch? e.g. a runtime test with SVN Rockbox with the backlight constantly enabled, and a test with that patch with the brightness reduced, but backlight still on forever? |
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| 17:29:13 | DefineByte | not that i know of |
| 17:29:36 | DefineByte | it doesn't seem noticeable less |
| 17:29:58 | linuxstb_ | DefineByte: Ah, I remember your problem now. The CONFIG_BACKLIGHT define was removed because all the target-specific code was in target-tree? |
| 17:30:22 | DefineByte | exactly |
| 17:30:29 | DefineByte | so now i need to move it |
| 17:31:04 | linuxstb_ | Maybe add something like a new HAVE_BACKLIGHT_SOFTWARE_BRIGHTNESS define, which you can add to the config-*.h files for the targets this is enabled for. |
| 17:31:29 | polygonal | hi, can any flyspray admin add "related task" for FS7626 and FS7627. One is a bug-fix, the other implements a feature request. They are also related. The relationships are explained in the details |
| 17:31:35 | DefineByte | that's a thought... |
| 17:31:40 | linuxstb_ | That would at least get the patch working. Or just test for devices with something like #ifdef IPOD_VIDEO |
| 17:32:13 | DefineByte | i tried adding |
| 17:32:13 | DefineByte | d to the config-*.h files for the targets this is enabled for. |
| 17:32:13 | DefineByte | [16:31] polygonal: hi, can any flyspray admin add "related task" for FS7626 and FS7627. One is a bug-fix, the other implements a feature request. They are also related. The relationships are explained in the details |
| 17:32:13 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK DefineByte |
| 17:32:13 | DefineByte | [16:31] DefineByte: that's a thought... |
| 17:32:13 | DefineByte | [16:31] linuxstb_: That would at least get the patch working. Or just test for devices with something like #ifdef IPOD_VIDEO |
| 17:32:24 | DefineByte | and settings_lang errored |
| 17:32:54 | DefineByte | sorry, that should be settings_list |
| 17:33:31 | DefineByte | lang_brightness is undeclared it says. |
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| 17:34:29 | DefineByte | something else has probably been changed since april so that fixing the target detection breaks something else :< |
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| 17:34:53 | {Core}Frazz | can someone give me a link to uninstlling rockbox on iaudio m5? |
| 17:34:59 | {Core}Frazz | cant find it on website |
| 17:35:16 | DefineByte | try in the forum |
| 17:35:22 | GodEater | try in the manual |
| 17:35:32 | GodEater | all manuals feature un-install instructions |
| 17:35:36 | {Core}Frazz | ok |
| 17:36:06 | DefineByte | heh i never needed them so didn't know. my bad |
| 17:36:07 | {Core}Frazz | if i uninstal will the manufacturer accept my warranty? |
| 17:36:42 | GodEater | search me, I'm not the manufacturer |
| 17:36:55 | DefineByte | they shouldn't be able to tell (if they care) |
| 17:37:04 | {Core}Frazz | ok |
| 17:37:12 | {Core}Frazz | thanks |
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| 17:37:42 | webguest05 | whats new 5.5g bring? |
| 17:38:02 | dionoea | the .5 ? |
| 17:38:24 | DefineByte | i fear if i succesfully moving the code to the target tree i'll just get the same error as im getting at the moment |
| 17:38:46 | DefineByte | settings_list.c:570: error: 'LANG_BRIGHTNESS' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 17:38:46 | DefineByte | settings_list.c:570: warning: missing initializer |
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| 17:38:56 | pixelma | DefineByte: probably has to do with the langV2 patch - there is a feature called "backlight_brightness" to include the lang strings only for targets that have it; made dependent on HAVE_BACKLIGHT_BRIGHTNESS in the "features.txt" - that macro would have to be defined for the respective target if you implement that new IIUC |
| 17:39:48 | polygonal | can any flyspray admin add "related task" for FS7626 and FS7627? Sorry to repeat it |
| 17:40:31 | DefineByte | oh really? thanks. i'll check it out |
| 17:41:30 | pixelma | DefineByte: (that was very short - maybe it's better to look at english.lang and the features.txt) |
| 17:41:31 | GodEater | polygonal: done |
| 17:42:05 | DefineByte | okay, will do |
| 17:42:33 | polygonal | thanks |
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| 17:48:06 | DefineByte | lang_brightness is set to *: none. |
| 17:48:06 | DefineByte | Shouldn't that mean it works for all targets? not really sure how it works. |
| 17:49:05 | rasher | That means that the string isn't included on any targets (except if mentioned below that) |
| 17:49:43 | DefineByte | oh |
| 17:49:46 | rasher | I assume there's a backlight_brightness: "something here" right below that? |
| 17:50:05 | linuxstb_ | I've wondered about that syntax - wouldn't logic suggest that the first matching pattern is used? (or is that just my logic...?) |
| 17:51:39 | DefineByte | it's the obly source there. where's the code for it for the h300? maybe i could work out how that works (or not) |
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| 17:52:37 | rasher | linuxstb_: that would make excluding a string on all but a few targets difficult |
| 17:54:22 | DefineByte | there's a backlight_brightness: "Brightness" |
| 17:54:34 | DefineByte | but as for how to use it... |
| 17:54:35 | linuxstb_ | rasher: Why? I'm just suggesting that the *: line belongs last, assuming the other lines are pattern-matched in order. |
| 17:54:41 | linuxstb_ | DefineByte: See apps/features.txt |
| 17:54:47 | pixelma | DefineByte: the h300 has HAVE_BACKLIGHT_BRIGHTNESS defined in the config-h300.h |
| 17:55:15 | DefineByte | and the patch im working on adds it to config_ipodvideo |
| 17:56:27 | DefineByte | so in features.txt is #if defined(HAVE_BACKLIGHT_BRIGHTNESS) |
| 17:56:27 | DefineByte | backlight_brightness |
| 17:56:27 | DefineByte | #endif |
| 17:57:24 | DefineByte | i guess that's relevant somehow O_O |
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| 17:58:49 | DefineByte | so is there a plan to document all this stuff at some point xD |
| 17:59:12 | linuxstb_ | DefineByte: Do you see a LANG_BRIGHTNESS in the lang.h file created in your build directory? |
| 17:59:31 | linuxstb_ | DefineByte: Nice idea, you could write a wiki page. ;) |
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| 18:00:11 | DefineByte | no there isn't |
| 18:00:37 | DefineByte | and i've never even coded in c before so im probably not the best choice ^^ |
| 18:02:15 | linuxstb_ | DefineByte: Try doing a "make clean", and then "make" again. |
| 18:02:45 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 18:03:05 | DefineByte | it say "no rule to make target clean" |
| 18:03:21 | DefineByte | is that a cygwin prob? |
| 18:03:45 | DefineByte | or am i forgeting to define a path somewhere? |
| 18:03:46 | preglow | moonshine on the river, moonshine in my hand! |
| 18:04:43 | linuxstb_ | DefineByte: Are you in your build directory? |
| 18:05:12 | {Core}Frazz | do you think rockbox will be made for iaudio D2 or iriver clix? |
| 18:05:18 | DefineByte | :blush: |
| 18:05:43 | linuxstb_ | {Core}Frazz: The answer is always the same - yes, if interested users come along and do it. |
| 18:06:16 | {Core}Frazz | i am interested, but i have no idea about rockbox :p |
| 18:06:30 | linuxstb_ | Do you have any idea about programming? |
| 18:06:36 | {Core}Frazz | nope |
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| 18:06:44 | {Core}Frazz | just a music fan |
| 18:07:11 | {Core}Frazz | however.... i do know a few programmers |
| 18:07:29 | Terinjokes | {Core}Frazz: same here... |
| 18:07:38 | DefineByte | n |
| 18:07:38 | DefineByte | it's cleaned now. i guess i'll try building again |
| 18:07:39 | linuxstb_ | {Core}Frazz: You could point them here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 18:07:56 | {Core}Frazz | i'll mention it to them |
| 18:08:07 | {Core}Frazz | don't know how interested they'll be though |
| 18:08:22 | linuxstb_ | Do they own an iaudio D2 or clix? |
| 18:08:32 | {Core}Frazz | yes |
| 18:08:52 | linuxstb_ | That's a good start... |
| 18:09:14 | {Core}Frazz | well one of them is my brother |
| 18:09:20 | {Core}Frazz | and i own a d2 |
| 18:09:36 | DefineByte | get craking then |
| 18:09:47 | {Core}Frazz | i'll ask him |
| 18:10:50 | DefineByte | does dual core speed up the build process at all? |
| 18:11:14 | rasher | DefineByte: use make -j 2 |
| 18:11:18 | rasher | Instead of simply make |
| 18:11:38 | Terinjokes | DefineByte: the build process is pretty fast anyways |
| 18:11:38 | DefineByte | oh i don't have it. i was just wondering :) |
| 18:11:43 | DefineByte | thanks anyway |
| 18:12:19 | Terinjokes | even on my 1.33GHz PPC G4, takes less than 30 seconds |
| 18:12:25 | Thundercloud | I actually doubt Rockbox can be made for either of those platforms without some heavy work |
| 18:12:38 | {Core}Frazz | why? |
| 18:12:44 | Thundercloud | The clix perhaps, but the D2 would require either retarding down the touchscreen interface immensely |
| 18:12:48 | Thundercloud | Or engineering a whole new control system. |
| 18:13:14 | Thundercloud | afaik there are no rockbox targets which actually use a touchscreen. |
| 18:13:23 | {Core}Frazz | i am just wondering whether a d2 would actually benefit that much from RB |
| 18:13:38 | DefineByte | touchscreen's are a bad idea anyway. how are blind users supposed to use them? |
| 18:13:38 | Thundercloud | There's only one problem with the D2 |
| 18:13:44 | Thundercloud | Which I can probably overcome once I get mine. |
| 18:13:48 | Thundercloud | And that's playlisting. |
| 18:13:58 | linuxstb_ | {Core}Frazz: That's easy to answer - are there any Rockbox features you want to use? |
| 18:14:02 | Thundercloud | DefineByte: Bionic eyes :) |
| 18:14:26 | linuxstb_ | {Core}Frazz: And the opposite - will you miss any features of the original firmware that Rockbox doesn't implement? |
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| 18:14:31 | DefineByte | well, that or grow new ones with stem cells |
| 18:14:31 | {Core}Frazz | well d2 has almost all RB features anyway |
| 18:14:40 | Thundercloud | and also I disagree, touchscreens are a great idea |
| 18:14:43 | Thundercloud | As long as you're not blind. |
| 18:14:47 | Thundercloud | And they're fairly robust. |
| 18:15:17 | DefineByte | how's tactile feedback on a touchscreen? xD |
| 18:15:36 | Terinjokes | (it's good to see at least one software that's blind people friendly, even if I don't use thse features myself) |
| 18:15:39 | Thundercloud | DefineByte: It's great :) |
| 18:15:43 | Thundercloud | So smoooooooooooth |
| 18:15:56 | Thundercloud | Anyway, tactile feedback isn't the be-all and end-all of things :) |
| 18:16:05 | Thundercloud | I'm getting a D2 in the next week or two, my first proper touchscreen device |
| 18:16:08 | Thundercloud | So i'll make a judgement based on that. |
| 18:16:08 | Terinjokes | (of course, I want to see Rockbox on the iPhone...) |
| 18:16:49 | DefineByte | hell why not port rockbox to in-car media players too. |
| 18:16:56 | Thundercloud | At the rate I go through mp3 players i'll be getting a new one in an another year as well. |
| 18:17:23 | Thundercloud | I got my first DAP about four years ago. |
| 18:17:23 | DefineByte | i like to look after mine (yes, i'm skint xD) |
| 18:17:35 | Thundercloud | DefineByte: It's not just manhandling, i'm fairly good with them. |
| 18:17:42 | Thundercloud | Here's my lineup thus far: |
| 18:18:02 | Terinjokes | Thundercloud: he, i'ms till using my first mp3 player, a used iPod Nano..... can barely read the screen at this point... all i mainly do is play all songs on shuffle/repeat |
| 18:18:03 | {Core}Frazz | i got a flash mp3 5 years ago.... |
| 18:18:16 | Thundercloud | first DAP: Creative muvo 128mb. Lasted: a year and a bit. Reason for dismissal: I gots moneys and wanted something better. |
| 18:18:32 | Thundercloud | second DAP: iRiver H320. Lasted: A year. Reason for dismissal: The damn HD broke. |
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| 18:18:59 | DefineByte | i wish i river still made decent daps. :*( |
| 18:19:03 | Thundercloud | third DAP: iAudio X5. Lasted: Well technically it's still going but I stopped using it after a year and a half. Reason for dismissal: Decided to go down the flash route. Besides, the battery had been reduced to a pile of failure. |
| 18:19:04 | {Core}Frazz | i always wanted H320 but they stopped making them just as i was going to buy, so i got iaudio M5 |
| 18:19:41 | Thundercloud | fourth DAP: Samsung Z5. Lasted: Eight months. Reason for dismissal: The controls stopped working. Just shipped it back to the seller the other day, waiting for the refund. |
| 18:19:41 | polygonal | Would adding a new menu "Reshuffle current playlisg" to "Playlists" in main menu considered cluttering the UI? |
| 18:19:49 | Thundercloud | and so, fifth DAP: iAudio D2? :) |
| 18:19:57 | DefineByte | why does no-one make a DAP with s/pdif any more? such a shame |
| 18:20:19 | {Core}Frazz | so thundercloud u never used warranty? |
| 18:20:26 | Thundercloud | {Core}Frazz: Yes. |
| 18:20:26 | DefineByte | hmm, a sansa tempts me at the mo |
| 18:20:32 | Thundercloud | H320 I got a full refund for. |
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| 18:20:37 | Thundercloud | Under the warrant. |
| 18:20:38 | Thundercloud | s/ warranty. |
| 18:20:41 | {Core}Frazz | k |
| 18:20:44 | Thundercloud | And i'm getting a full refund for the Z5. |
| 18:21:28 | {Core}Frazz | the big problem with m5 is that the joystick keeps breaking |
| 18:21:29 | DefineByte | yay it built! this is when i remember i forgot to apply the patch. xD |
| 18:21:37 | {Core}Frazz | and i have to send it to kora for repair |
| 18:21:50 | Thundercloud | Fail |
| 18:21:51 | {Core}Frazz | korea* |
| 18:22:04 | Thundercloud | If anything goes on my players I generally just get a refund. |
| 18:22:06 | Terinjokes | DefineByte: I've never, ever managed to get Rockbox built with a patch... |
| 18:22:19 | {Core}Frazz | i cant get refund |
| 18:22:22 | Thundercloud | I'm just kind of lucky that the Z5 has been replaced by the K3. It means I don't get a repair, just a refund :) |
| 18:22:26 | {Core}Frazz | they only let me repair |
| 18:22:47 | polygonal | Currently the rockbox menu system for playlists is quite inconsistent and cluttered |
| 18:22:50 | {Core}Frazz | even though m5s aren't made anymore |
| 18:22:51 | DefineByte | LANG_BRIGHTNESS is in lang.h mow so i guess all is well |
| 18:22:57 | DefineByte | i'll try it later |
| 18:23:17 | Thundercloud | See from my experiences with the SE k750i I knew that exposed joysticks can mess up BIG time. |
| 18:23:24 | Thundercloud | So I bought a case for my X5 to hide it. |
| 18:23:37 | {Core}Frazz | i should have bought a case |
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| 18:23:56 | DefineByte | ha. my k750 is still going strong |
| 18:24:28 | Thundercloud | DefineByte: I kept it in the same pocket as my keys |
| 18:24:30 | Thundercloud | BIG MISTAKE |
| 18:24:31 | DefineByte | it's over two years old. i like it too much to replace it |
| 18:24:46 | Thundercloud | I didn't repeat the same mistake with my k800i |
| 18:24:46 | Terinjokes | DefineByte: my iPod is 2+ years old too :P |
| 18:24:54 | Thundercloud | Which is 11 months old now and still going strong. |
| 18:25:03 | Thundercloud | Which is good because I still have another 7 months to go. |
| 18:25:22 | DefineByte | i bought a case for my k750 to avoide key accidents :D |
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| 18:26:12 | Thundercloud | But still |
| 18:26:16 | Terinjokes | Thundercloud: i have a carabiner with my keys attached to my belt loop... never put keys in my pockets anymore... |
| 18:26:19 | pixelma | that talk is drifting off-topic... *points to the topic* |
| 18:26:46 | Thundercloud | Failure for having to adhere to topic |
| 18:26:54 | Thundercloud | So |
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| 18:26:59 | Thundercloud | How about that Rockbox? |
| 18:27:04 | Terinjokes | pixelma: i don't see a topic |
| 18:27:17 | DefineByte | well if people can ask about rockbox on the iPhone...how about rockbox on the k750i? |
| 18:27:19 | Terinjokes | pixelma: it just tells me to go somewhere else if i'm offtopic... |
| 18:27:38 | pixelma | yes... |
| 18:27:40 | Thundercloud | Rockbox on any phones at the moment is instant fail |
| 18:27:59 | markun | Thundercloud: why's that? |
| 18:28:01 | Thundercloud | Unless there's a fork of it to bring Telephony and camera utilities to the forefront. |
| 18:28:21 | markun | yes, it wouldn't be much of a phone :) |
| 18:29:05 | Terinjokes | markun: just combine rockbox+openmoko :P |
| 18:29:28 | DefineByte | [;us the k750 makes a rubbish DAP. |
| 18:29:42 | DefineByte | sq is woefull |
| 18:30:16 | markun | Terinjokes: I already talked to one of the openmoko devs. He didn't like the idea much :) |
| 18:30:17 | amiconn | It would surely be possible to add phone support to rockbox if such a port happens, but imho that's a moot point. I would think the telephony stuff is too well protected to be hackable |
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| 18:30:42 | DefineByte | thanks linuxstb for the make clean tip. it worked a charm |
| 18:30:51 | amiconn | And a telephone is neither a camera nor a dap. That can't work out nicely |
| 18:31:07 | Terinjokes | markun: well, openmoko could provide the telephony tools, and rockbox could do a software-port, to run on openmoko |
| 18:31:11 | markun | amiconn: the openmoko phone's have a separate phone part and you communicate with good old AT commands |
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| 18:31:38 | markun | Terinjokes: someone could do that anyway |
| 18:31:53 | markun | it's not the first time people ask for a stand along rockbox app |
| 18:31:55 | rasher | Thundercloud: running rockbox as the music-playing part of my phone would be very nice. |
| 18:31:57 | markun | alone |
| 18:32:16 | rasher | As a full software-replacement, not so much |
| 18:32:27 | Terinjokes | markun: i'm still waiting for a decent mac-support on rockbox :P |
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| 18:32:52 | markun | Terinjokes: mac-support? |
| 18:32:59 | Terinjokes | (that, and rockbox keeps crashing my DirecTV box) |
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| 18:33:42 | Terinjokes | markun: yer Finder makes lots of fake files, so I have to run disk cleanup before i can update the database (so I can have auto-updating database...) |
| 18:33:59 | Terinjokes | so I can't* have auto-updating database |
| 18:34:11 | DefineByte | i'm off to test the patch on my iPod now. see you guys and thanks again to all who helped (and tried to help :D) |
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| 18:34:31 | {Core}Frazz | my joystick is broken in the worst way! when i push it down , it goes up so i cant reduce volume |
| 18:34:35 | Terinjokes | what was DefineByte's patch? |
| 18:34:37 | markun | Terinjokes: those files also anoy me, can you put a robox.txt file on the player to disable it? |
| 18:34:44 | markun | robot.txt |
| 18:35:02 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 18:35:02 | * | amiconn hates it when auctions end somewhere mid-weekend :( |
| 18:35:03 | Terinjokes | markun: what is this... Googlebot? |
| 18:35:08 | webguest56 | Not seen austriancoder today, the last day of GSoC? Maybe he is trying to get the stack state in the last minute? |
| 18:35:22 | pondlife | There's a lot of misinformation on the Rockbox user mailing list.. :/ |
| 18:35:37 | preglow | webguest56: i think he is, yes |
| 18:35:55 | Terinjokes | markun: so i'm not the only one who hates those "<untitled>" things in database? |
| 18:36:00 | preglow | he just only recently got the transmit bugs figured out |
| 18:36:18 | markun | Terinjokes: I hate it when program start to fill my DAP with useless files |
| 18:36:20 | webguest56 | preglow: Yes, I saw that.. Very exciting times! |
| 18:36:47 | preglow | webguest56: i agree, looking forward to seeing the fruits of his work very much |
| 18:37:02 | Terinjokes | markun: yer... i wonder if i can somone can write a patch to run diskcleanup before updating the database |
| 18:37:44 | Terinjokes | markun: and they aren't useless, i think finder has a reason for it.. |
| 18:37:57 | rasher | Terinjokes: check apps/main.c and look for AUTOROCK |
| 18:38:14 | Terinjokes | rasher: how will that help me? |
| 18:38:50 | rasher | Terinjokes: it lets you run a specific plugin at boot |
| 18:39:03 | Terinjokes | rasher: but i can't compile rockbox |
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| 18:39:46 | rasher | I wonder how much space it'd take to enable that feature by default |
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| 18:42:40 | amiconn | rasher: It extends boot time as well |
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| 18:43:47 | rasher | Only (noticeably) if rockbox is in ram, I assume? |
| 18:44:02 | rasher | Since the disk will already be spinning otherwise |
| 18:44:02 | Terinjokes | rasher: i see that, but I don't have any way of compiling rockbox (i see to uncomment the define) |
| 18:44:39 | rasher | Terinjokes: There's nothing stopping you from setting up a compiler |
| 18:45:02 | Terinjokes | rasher: there is... the lack of compatibility with this platform |
| 18:45:16 | rasher | Terinjokes: Which platform is that? |
| 18:46:07 | Terinjokes | rasher: OSX on PPC... last time I tried, it completely screwed up the system :P |
| 18:46:12 | Terinjokes | i had reinstall |
| 18:46:26 | rasher | Then you did it very, very wrong. There should be no real problems. |
| 18:46:30 | amiconn | rasher: Btw, just enabling autorock isn't enough for using disktidy as autorock. Disktidy would also need to be modified to clean with no user interaction |
| 18:46:58 | rasher | amiconn: ah, it sounded to me as if it did that already somehow |
| 18:47:10 | Terinjokes | rasher: i used the shell script that was in SVN |
| 18:47:17 | Terinjokes | amiconn: yer, i was thinking about that |
| 18:47:36 | amiconn | disktidy presents a menu where you can select whether to clean up windows, mac, or both types of clutter |
| 18:48:04 | amiconn | Changing that shouldn't be too difficult though |
| 18:48:13 | Terinjokes | amiconn: not any longer |
| 18:48:14 | rasher | Terinjokes: I don't see how that script (assuming you're talking about rockboxdev.sh) has any potential to "screw up the system", and if it does, it's a bug and you should certainly report it. Why haven't you? |
| 18:48:28 | Terinjokes | amiconn: it now says "Start Cleaning" or "Show Cleaned Files" |
| 18:48:48 | Terinjokes | rasher: i believe at the time i did |
| 18:49:04 | Terinjokes | (and yer... it was rockboxdev.sh) |
| 18:49:24 | pixelma | barrywardell works with MacOS, I believe - and linuxstb occasionally too, IIRC |
| 18:49:48 | amiconn | pondlife: You wanted to hear about problems with voice? |
| 18:49:51 | rasher | I've also seen a few os x related chagnes to rockboxdev.sh |
| 18:49:59 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I've run rockboxdev.sh without issues on my ibook. |
| 18:50:02 | amiconn | I experienced some, although not due to the langv2 move |
| 18:50:22 | Terinjokes | linuxstb: going to try it again |
| 18:51:18 | Terinjokes | hrm, manual or automatic? |
| 18:51:36 | linuxstb_ | manual or automatic what? |
| 18:51:43 | Terinjokes | cross compiler |
| 18:52:20 | * | amiconn still prefers the maunal instructions to build crosscompilers over using rockboxdev.sh |
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| 18:53:29 | pondlife | amiconn: I meant new problems reallly. |
| 18:53:59 | pondlife | More trying to reduce the misinformation coming across - stuff like "builds after 6th August don't work with voice" |
| 18:54:04 | Terinjokes | i forgot what client i used for SVN on OSX in the past |
| 18:54:30 | preglow | amiconn: aren't they the same? |
| 18:54:33 | amiconn | pondlife: Data aborts and prefetch aborts with voice enabled. And that can't be a dualcore issue as it happens on PP5002 (where we only use one core yet) |
| 18:54:41 | linuxstb_ | Terinjokes: I've installed "fink" on my Mac - very handy for getting lots of Unix-like utilities installed. |
| 18:54:53 | pondlife | amiconn: Not new problems though? |
| 18:55:07 | amiconn | preglow: Not entirely. With the manual method, I can decide what version(s) to use, and where to install the crosscompiler(s) |
| 18:55:12 | Terinjokes | linuxstb_: i used to do packages for fink, although I'm not happy with the /opt/ directeries |
| 18:55:31 | preglow | amiconn: so you can with rockboxdev.sh |
| 18:56:00 | amiconn | pondlife: Don't know really, since I didn't use voice much on PP502x so far, tried it on PP5002 only after the langv2 move |
| 18:56:49 | amiconn | But it might be an old problem since voice sometimes causes freezes on coldfire, which might in fact be due to the same cause |
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| 18:57:06 | pondlife | amiconn: There was that problem where the "add voice to splash" patch attempted to speak before initialisation had taken place, but it would be good if you could try older builds to see when that was introduced. |
| 18:57:16 | pondlife | I use voice on H300 all the time and it's not freezing here.. |
| 18:58:05 | amiconn | pondlife: It's not a "speak before init problem". I experienced 2 data aborts and one prefetch abort while browsing on 2nd gen (first 2 times with music playing, 3rd time without) |
| 18:58:08 | Terinjokes | linuxstb_: geez, Fink won't install |
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| 18:58:35 | amiconn | The coldfire freezes are rare, but they happen. Observed both on H1x0 (nasty, paper clip needed) and M5 |
| 18:59:04 | pondlife | The occasional paper-clip freeze happens on H300, but voice isn't needed to make that happen. |
| 18:59:05 | linuxstb_ | Terinjokes: I can't help you there - I installed it so long ago I've forgotten it's there... |
| 18:59:09 | amiconn | The data aborts are of course arm specific (misalgned pointers - something that coldfire tolerates) |
| 18:59:19 | Terinjokes | linuxstb_: no... "Permissions Problem" |
| 18:59:37 | amiconn | But the one prefetch abort showed an address of 0xc0000004, which is outside of any memory area |
| 18:59:57 | amiconn | And trying to access non-existing memory areas on coldfire causes a bus hang |
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| 19:00:30 | amiconn | That's why I think they might be related |
| 19:00:45 | pondlife | Very likely, but not necessarily voice-related? |
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| 19:01:28 | pondlife | I'm not convinced that SWCODEC is that stable in general... just that the freezes happen quite rarely. |
| 19:01:37 | Terinjokes | brb |
| 19:01:44 | Terinjokes | switching to Administator :P |
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| 19:01:49 | pondlife | So people live with them, or (more likely) can't repro to investigate. |
| 19:02:07 | Fed | Does any one know how to use Samba? |
| 19:02:13 | pondlife | #samba? |
| 19:02:28 | amiconn | I don't remember any cf freezes during several months where voice wasn't enabled |
| 19:02:29 | Fed | with Vmware |
| 19:02:38 | preglow | amiconn: i've had a couple |
| 19:02:57 | preglow | one of them is the early usb insert bug |
| 19:03:07 | pondlife | amiconn: Hmm, maybe I've been lucky. Very rare freezes, with or without voice (and no USB involved). |
| 19:03:15 | pondlife | Maybe once a month. |
| 19:04:00 | amiconn | Try to browse with voice enabled, .talk clips present and music playing |
| 19:04:11 | amiconn | Shouldn't take long to get a freeze this way |
| 19:04:36 | pondlife | OK, but that sounds very much like my usage pattern |
| 19:04:49 | pondlife | I crossfade everything too :) |
| 19:05:13 | amiconn | No crossfade here of course |
| 19:05:15 | pondlife | amicon: Ah, which codecs do you use? All mp3? I am. |
| 19:05:23 | amiconn | 99.5% mp3 |
| 19:05:23 | pondlife | amiconn: ^ |
| 19:05:50 | pondlife | So not related to playback codec swapping (i.e. voice using mp3, music not using mp3) |
| 19:05:54 | amiconn | Hmm, not true for the H1x0 though. There is have a significant percentage of flac files |
| 19:06:16 | amiconn | But the data aborts/prefetch abort on 2nd gen was all mp3 |
| 19:06:17 | pondlife | I am exclusively using MP3 (aside from a few test files). |
| 19:06:49 | amiconn | I am exclusively using mp3 for all my own stuff on devices with are <60GB and/or can't play flac |
| 19:07:07 | amiconn | Additionally, I have 2 albums in ogg vorbis format |
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| 19:08:13 | Terinjokes | sure enough, switched to the hidden "Administrator" account, and it installed fine... |
| 19:08:40 | amiconn | The data aborts on 2nd gen usually seem to happen in pcmbuf.c |
| 19:08:40 | pondlife | I'm always sceptical about PortalPlayer "playback failure" reports, probably unfairly so.. |
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| 19:10:00 | pondlife | I know it's much improved these days, but if there may be fundamental issues, I'm not able to get too involved. |
| 19:10:46 | amiconn | With voice disabled, it plays for days without a single crash, but with voice enabled, I can make it crash within minutes when browsing |
| 19:11:19 | pondlife | Is it better or worse if you disable .talk clips? |
| 19:12:00 | amiconn | Will try. Although, .talk clips are my main voice usage.... |
| 19:12:21 | pondlife | Maybe see if spelling crashes as much. |
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| 19:12:45 | * | amiconn doesn't like spelling |
| 19:12:51 | amiconn | It's soooo slow |
| 19:13:04 | pondlife | Yes, but as an experiment.. :) |
| 19:13:27 | pondlife | Use numbers if you prefer |
| 19:13:33 | * | pondlife finds them useless |
| 19:13:44 | amiconn | I use numbers for files and .talk clips for folders |
| 19:13:59 | pondlife | Ah, you don't use database, do you? |
| 19:14:09 | amiconn | The numbers itself are pretty useless, but I enable them because rockbox then also reads the file type |
| 19:14:33 | amiconn | ...which is necessary to start playback blindly if 'file view' is set to 'supported' |
| 19:14:51 | amiconn | I don't want to play a .jpg by accident... |
| 19:15:26 | amiconn | I only use the database for occasioal checking of my tags (dupes, typos) |
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| 19:16:41 | amiconn | Hmm, it seems indeed to be related to .talk clips |
| 19:17:01 | pondlife | Wow, *that* reproducible? |
| 19:17:03 | amiconn | I couldn't make it crash with heavy menu/file tree browsing with .talk clips disabled |
| 19:17:15 | amiconn | Then I enabled them, and made it crash within less than a minute |
| 19:17:27 | amiconn | Data abort at 0x00286ec |
| 19:18:17 | amiconn | It looks like it happens if voice has to mix .talk clips with normal voice clips |
| 19:20:00 | amiconn | That's in pcmbuf_flush_fillpos() this time |
| 19:20:30 | pixelma | fwiw, it's a while ago that I experienced freezes on M5 with voice enabled (way before langV2) - there was one evening where I got 3 or 4 maybe almost in a row, that was while only browsing the filetree with voice enabled but without playback |
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| 19:21:26 | pixelma | don't remember about the .talk clips setting but I don't have prepared clips anyways |
| 19:21:55 | {Core}Frazz | what language does rockbox use? |
| 19:22:19 | pixelma | (usually I let it spell) |
| 19:22:31 | Domonoky | {Core}Frazz : c and asembler |
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| 19:37:52 | srf21c | Is defragging the flash drive on an Ipod nano a good idea? Or does it just burn precious flash write cycles? |
| 19:37:59 | pondlife | amiconn: .talk clips must be data aligned, right? |
| 19:38:39 | amiconn | mp3 is a bit stream, so I wouldn't expect that they need to be aligned |
| 19:38:45 | amiconn | But I'm no libmad expert... |
| 19:39:19 | amiconn | And it doesn't seem to be a static issue, 'cause that would make it crash in 75% of all cases |
| 19:39:38 | amiconn | I tried to make it crash again, with no luck |
| 19:39:50 | amiconn | ...so far |
| 19:39:55 | pixelma | the mpegplayer failure is also related to .talk clips - could these two things have something in common? |
| 19:40:16 | pondlife | pixelma: I thought the mpegplayer would crash with spelt files too? |
| 19:40:28 | pondlife | mpegplayer corruption I mean, not crash |
| 19:40:40 | amiconn | That's a different thing doom also suffered from |
| 19:41:03 | amiconn | The plugin claims iram while core voice is still talking -> iram clash |
| 19:42:03 | pondlife | Hmm, so it just needs to do a voice_stop()? |
| 19:42:11 | pixelma | pondlife: I just checked again, and elephantsdream plays correctly with .talk clips disabled but filename and directories set to spell... |
| 19:42:18 | pondlife | OK, my mistake |
| 19:42:34 | pondlife | Is there not some central routine to claim IRAM? |
| 19:42:35 | amiconn | And another crash, less than a minute after reboot |
| 19:42:46 | amiconn | Data abort at 0x0010c092 |
| 19:42:55 | pondlife | With .talk clips enabled again? |
| 19:43:27 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:43:48 | amiconn | Rebooted, resumed, started browsing menus and then the file tree |
| 19:44:12 | srf21c | doh, just found the answer to my own question. looks like it's pointless to defrag flash memory since there is not single read/write head. http://blogcritics.org/archives/2006/03/01/211005.php |
| 19:44:13 | amiconn | That address is within the audio buffer - very suspicious |
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| 19:44:27 | pondlife | p_thumbnail? |
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| 19:44:39 | amiconn | It tries to execute the thumbnail? |
| 19:44:51 | amiconn | The address is the PC when the crash happens |
| 19:45:18 | amiconn | Almost looks like a dangling (or overwrite-prone) function pointer |
| 19:45:52 | pixelma | fun thing, it also plays correctly after I enabled .talk clips again (as I said I don't have .talk clips but I saw the glitch before too here) |
| 19:46:20 | pondlife | p_thumbnail is allocated from the start of the audio buffer, at a "random" later point in time... not at startup. |
| 19:46:29 | pondlife | Which of course moves audiobuf up. |
| 19:46:49 | pondlife | pixelma: If it was IRAM usage then spelling would break it too, no? |
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| 19:47:27 | pixelma | as I said atm I don't see a problem at all |
| 19:47:31 | Ishiwatari | :) |
| 19:47:56 | pondlife | amiconn: Do you use dircache? |
| 19:48:07 | amiconn | On the 2nd gen yes |
| 19:48:19 | amiconn | On iriver too, but not on iaudio |
| 19:48:25 | pondlife | Does this crash go away without dircache? |
| 19:49:09 | amiconn | Dunno, needs testing |
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| 19:50:43 | pondlife | I'm wondering if the problem is in the .talk clip directory checking, as normal voice uses much the same code as .talk clips. |
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| 19:54:07 | amiconn | Hmm, it might have to do with dircache, but that's not sure yet |
| 19:54:55 | amiconn | Tried making it crash without dircache without success. Then enabled dircache, rebooted (dircache did a foreground scan), then started playback and went browsing |
| 19:55:16 | amiconn | No crash this time, but after a few seconds I hear almost one second of severe artifacts |
| 19:55:24 | amiconn | And I know this file is clean |
| 19:55:40 | amiconn | Oop |
| 19:55:42 | amiconn | s |
| 19:56:10 | amiconn | Stared browsing again, and it crashed within less than a second. In iram this time. |
| 19:56:30 | pondlife | So dircache is not a factor? |
| 19:56:56 | amiconn | Data abort at 0x4000129c. That's in fiq() .... |
| 19:57:26 | amiconn | pondlife: As I said, not sure yet |
| 19:57:33 | pondlife | Ah, ok. |
| 19:57:57 | pondlife | I was wondering if you had now had a crash with and without dircache? |
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| 19:59:15 | amiconn | No crash without dircache yet, but it seems to be rather irregular behaviour |
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| 20:00:45 | amiconn | It seems to more likely that it crashes shortly after boot though |
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| 20:01:36 | pondlife | So maybe allocation of the thumbnail buffer, followed by another bufferalloc... |
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| 20:02:04 | amiconn | After starting playback? |
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| 20:02:48 | pondlife | Hmm... |
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| 20:03:28 | pondlife | talk_init() calls audio_get_buffer() so it should be safe. |
| 20:03:51 | pondlife | But talk_buffer_steal() doesn't. |
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| 20:04:54 | pondlife | So if somehow talk_buffer_steal() is called during playback but before any .talk clips has been loaded... |
| 20:05:03 | kratonator | hi all |
| 20:05:39 | kratonator | does somebody know if the ipod 3rd gen has a delete function in the text editor? |
| 20:05:53 | kratonator | like delete a letter |
| 20:06:09 | pondlife | Ha, audio_iram_steal() exists and is included in the plugin API, but no plugin seems to call it. |
| 20:06:10 | preglow | would be a weird text editor if not |
| 20:06:19 | pondlife | Oops |
| 20:06:23 | amiconn | pondlife: audio_get_buffer() calls talk_buffer_steal() .. |
| 20:06:26 | kratonator | that's what i thought |
| 20:06:46 | preglow | kratonator: it might be that the text editor key maps aren't good on ipods, though |
| 20:06:52 | kratonator | i searched the manual&tried various key combination |
| 20:06:57 | pondlife | PLUGIN_IRAM_INIT() is called by mpegplayer and that does stop audio + voice |
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| 20:07:47 | kratonator | im sure it could be done...by pressing more keys at the same time...rew and fastfw for example... |
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| 20:08:21 | Ishiwatari | hi |
| 20:08:27 | kratonator | should i post a feature request or is it that simple that it will implemented soon? |
| 20:08:51 | amiconn | kratonator: You can delete letters in the text editor |
| 20:08:58 | Ishiwatari | I have a Ipod Nano , Ram Cache Crash , and Database :s |
| 20:11:48 | kratonator | amiconn: how can i delete a single letter? |
| 20:12:38 | amiconn | It's all in the manual .... The text editor is line based. Select the line where you want to delete the letter. It will be displayed in the virtual keyboad. |
| 20:12:54 | amiconn | The virtual keyboard allows to both add and delete letters |
| 20:13:09 | amiconn | Accept the line, and save. Done. |
| 20:13:29 | kratonator | so there is a small "key" allows to delete only a letter? |
| 20:13:39 | kratonator | where is that anyway? |
| 20:13:48 | amiconn | ? |
| 20:14:22 | kratonator | i dont get your point |
| 20:14:29 | amiconn | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipod3g.pdf Page 22 (bottom) and 23 describe the virtual keyboard |
| 20:14:42 | kratonator | hm...thanks |
| 20:14:58 | amiconn | Look for line edit mode |
| 20:16:59 | pondlife | amiconn: I don't see why reset_state() should be called from talk_buffer_steal(). |
| 20:17:31 | pondlife | If you are stealing the talk buffer, then p_thumbnail should end up NULL, right? |
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| 20:19:05 | amiconn | Check the comment above reset_state() |
| 20:19:16 | pondlife | Or perhaps reset_state() should not be allocating the thumbnail buffer, and should be returning with p_thumbnail = NULL. |
| 20:20:41 | pondlife | Ah, there's no real need to dynamically allocate this now we have config settings for use of .talk clips! |
| 20:21:17 | pondlife | Maybe it can be KISSed better? |
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| 20:22:21 | ie | Do all the modern mp3 players use the same software under the hood? They lokk so boringly same (I mean the UI)! |
| 20:22:36 | amiconn | Why does that setting remove the need for alloctaion? |
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| 20:24:26 | Domonoky | ie: no every manufacturer builds his own software.. and they look different ! :-) but rockbox is the same on every player it supports :-) |
| 20:24:47 | pondlife | amiconn: Ignore that. I thought that it only allocated memory for .talk clips when first required, but I see now it is done in talk_init(). |
| 20:25:18 | pondlife | I'm sure it used to not waste memory on a .talk clip buffer... |
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| 20:26:37 | ie | Domonoky: yes, the background pictures are different but the menu structure etc are almost the same. |
| 20:26:55 | ie | Domonoky: but you are right: RB is the most boring of them all! :-) |
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| 20:38:54 | amiconn | hmm |
| 20:39:09 | amiconn | It looks like I can't make it crash with dircache enabled |
| 20:39:14 | amiconn | Erm, disabled |
| 20:40:25 | pondlife | So .talk buffer is allocated, then dircache relies on an old value of audiobuf? |
| 20:40:33 | pondlife | (a theory) |
| 20:42:14 | amiconn | It might also just be an effect of dircache changing timing |
| 20:42:35 | pondlife | True |
| 20:42:59 | pondlife | But that code shouldn't be so timing dependent. it's fairly high level. |
| 20:43:43 | amiconn | Well, the crash addresses seem to be either in rather low level pcm code, or far off from any valid code... |
| 20:44:00 | amiconn | (fiq() is about as low as you can get...) |
| 20:44:50 | pondlife | Is Data Abort a data execution abort? |
| 20:45:20 | amiconn | No, it means that a 16 bit or 32 bit access wasn't aligned |
| 20:45:41 | amiconn | The address is the address of the *intruction* which tried this access |
| 20:45:45 | pondlife | And the address is the instruction pointer.. |
| 20:45:48 | pondlife | Ah |
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| 20:46:58 | dionoea | what ARM version does the pp chip use ? |
| 20:47:04 | dionoea | (the exact number) |
| 20:47:11 | * | dionoea 's too lazy to look it up |
| 20:47:18 | preglow | arm7tdmi |
| 20:47:30 | dionoea | thanks |
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| 21:00:07 | sersoft | can anybody tell me if I can make rockboy run faster on my nano ?? |
| 21:00:47 | sersoft | i know its not a hardware limitation because ipod linux runs them at full speed |
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| 21:01:22 | GodEater_ | ipodlinux's implementation is not the same as rockboxes |
| 21:02:21 | sersoft | ok, also why can't I run the game without scaling the screen? I don't care about the extra 5pixels that I lose |
| 21:02:45 | GodEater_ | no idea, I've never used Rockboy, and never intend to |
| 21:03:38 | sersoft | im saying this because it's the only problem I got with rockbox. I love everthing else and I won't install linux on it cuz it's too unstable. |
| 21:04:03 | Domonoky | sersoft: as far as i know rockby has different modes to deal with the missing screen space..(at least on h1x0 you can choose if you want to crop top/bottom or lines in between) |
| 21:04:20 | sersoft | why not on the nano? |
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| 21:04:53 | sersoft | can I force it using a config file? |
| 21:05:14 | Domonoky | sersoft: i dont know if/ why those modes dont exist on nano.. take a look at the manual.. or if it doesnt help the source :-) |
| 21:05:59 | sersoft | ok the reason why im not using linux is because it dosent allow rockbox to run normally... |
| 21:06:24 | amiconn | The implementation of rockbox display output is different on colour targets |
| 21:06:47 | amiconn | The vertical scaling modes only exist on H1x0, M5 and recorder afaik |
| 21:07:04 | sersoft | I can run rockbox from the linux bootloader, but it runs but all my data is scrambled, like videos have green squares in them and only play halfway, what's up with that? |
| 21:07:53 | Domonoky | sersoft: you can also run linux with the rockbox bootloader.. then we could help.. :-) but ipls loader we dont know.. |
| 21:08:05 | sersoft | how do I do that? |
| 21:08:23 | sersoft | after i install ipodpatcher.exe linux dosent start anymore |
| 21:08:30 | Domonoky | take a look in the Manual/ Wiki.. it described somewhere.. |
| 21:08:36 | GodEater_ | hold right as it boots |
| 21:08:46 | sersoft | that goes into apple os |
| 21:09:05 | GodEater_ | or is it play ? |
| 21:09:09 | GodEater_ | no - it must be play |
| 21:09:12 | GodEater_ | right is boot info |
| 21:09:30 | sersoft | i tried it just now and it ignores it |
| 21:09:31 | GodEater_ | you need a linux.bin or a kernel.bin in the root of your rockbox partition too I think |
| 21:09:38 | Domonoky | manual/wiki will help.. also with the needed linux.bin on the fat32 partition.. :-) |
| 21:09:47 | GodEater_ | yeah thought so |
| 21:09:48 | sersoft | i think i still have it there |
| 21:10:18 | sersoft | maybe it's select+play ? |
| 21:10:49 | GodEater_ | nope |
| 21:11:01 | GodEater_ | as Domonoky says - read the wiki |
| 21:11:06 | sersoft | ok ok |
| 21:11:09 | GodEater_ | I'm very vague on my memory of this |
| 21:11:24 | GodEater_ | having never run ipl |
| 21:11:36 | sersoft | god im so tired of ipodlinux lol |
| 21:11:51 | sersoft | its nearly impossible to get it to work right |
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| 21:12:05 | sersoft | and me being linux-noob dosent help |
| 21:12:29 | Domonoky | sersoft: please stay ontopic.. |
| 21:12:47 | linuxstb_ | Holding PLAY will load a linux kernel from /linux.bin on your FAT32 partition. |
| 21:13:34 | sersoft | there is a topic in a chat? anyway, ok ill put a linux.bin there and report back |
| 21:13:40 | linuxstb_ | sersoft: But it sounds like you may be using an old version of loader2. Lots of people seem to use it without problems. |
| 21:14:07 | sersoft | the latest version gives me the infamous error 10 cannot modify firmware |
| 21:14:30 | linuxstb_ | That's not infamous around here... |
| 21:14:46 | sersoft | well lots of ppl have it on linux forums |
| 21:14:52 | sersoft | and nobody has a fix |
| 21:16:33 | GodEater_ | I don't think that info IS in the wiki actually |
| 21:16:47 | GodEater_ | I just searched on "linux.bin" and found absolutely zip |
| 21:17:34 | linuxstb_ | GodEater_: No-one has really tested it - it's only in the bootloader because at the time I wrote it, there wasn't a Rockbox for it to load, so I added that feature so I could test it... |
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| 21:18:01 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: also the ipl guys complain there's no way to pass kernel parameters, but that's another story ;) |
| 21:18:03 | linuxstb_ | I mean it goes as far as loading the kernel, but as I don't have an ext2 partition, it stops. |
| 21:18:04 | amiconn | hmpf |
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| 21:19:23 | sersoft | im currently trying to run linux from rockbox, and I have the partitionless linux version |
| 21:19:24 | linuxstb_ | GodEater: It's not kernel parameters as such, it's the arguments which are passed from loader2 to the init script - so different apps can be started at boot-time. |
| 21:19:51 | sersoft | yeah but why does rockbox make errors while reading files?? |
| 21:19:51 | GodEater_ | really that's what I meant :) |
| 21:20:11 | GodEater_ | that's a pretty vague question sersoft |
| 21:20:42 | preglow | any good reasons to bother with ipodlinux? |
| 21:21:02 | GodEater_ | none at all imo |
| 21:21:12 | linuxstb_ | preglow: There seem to be more people actively developing/porting games for it... |
| 21:21:22 | sersoft | mostly better interface and games |
| 21:21:25 | preglow | can imagine it's tons easier to port games to |
| 21:21:25 | GodEater_ | so see above :) |
| 21:21:44 | GodEater_ | so can we remove all our games now then ? |
| 21:21:51 | GodEater_ | and tell people that want them to use ipl ? |
| 21:21:52 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 21:22:03 | sersoft | its too hard to install :( |
| 21:22:03 | GodEater_ | oh the PEACE in the forums if we did :) |
| 21:22:27 | GodEater_ | plugins would be a barren wasteland of a forum... |
| 21:23:12 | sersoft | i dont want to stop using rockbox thats why i want to run linux from it and not the other way around... |
| 21:24:23 | GodEater_ | contraversial topic again I see |
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| 21:25:08 | sersoft | <- oh no another noob who only wants to play games... |
| 21:25:17 | petur | hmmm why does this H10 refuse to upgrade to UMS :( |
| 21:25:42 | * | linuxstb_ shrugs and looks towards barrywardell |
| 21:25:45 | GodEater_ | sersoft: =/ |
| 21:26:01 | sersoft | once I almost got an H10... I wish I did, but istead I got a nano |
| 21:26:43 | * | GodEater_ feels the need for beer |
| 21:27:46 | sersoft | ok so there's no way to run gbc games without screen-resize on a nano ... |
| 21:28:03 | GodEater_ | unless you feel like changing some code, no |
| 21:28:10 | sersoft | another question, if there was, would it speed up the game? |
| 21:28:46 | GodEater_ | doubt it |
| 21:30:14 | * | linuxstb_ tries to remember the Gameboy's resolution - is it 160x144, compared to the Nano's 176x132? |
| 21:30:25 | amiconn | 160x144 it is |
| 21:30:33 | sersoft | yeah i lose like 10 pixels lol |
| 21:30:36 | * | amiconn never had a gameboy |
| 21:30:42 | amiconn | 12 |
| 21:31:02 | * | linuxstb_ did have a gameboy many years ago, but never counted the dots... |
| 21:31:07 | sersoft | i played it and its not bad |
| 21:31:25 | pixelma | 12x160 :P |
| 21:31:28 | * | GodEater_ notes his admin forum post is also pretty unpopular |
| 21:31:38 | preglow | oh woopee, another gsoc survey |
| 21:32:00 | sersoft | i burned my old gba in a fire lol |
| 21:32:19 | GodEater_ | on purpose ? |
| 21:32:23 | sersoft | i think i could still find some of the games i gave out to friends |
| 21:32:27 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Have you heard from saratoga recently? |
| 21:32:30 | sersoft | i also had an ipod color |
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| 21:32:57 | preglow | linuxstb_: yeah |
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| 21:35:02 | sersoft | ok why doesen't it work, im turning it on, holding play and it still boots into rockbox |
| 21:35:22 | linuxstb_ | sersoft: Then you're not holding PLAY at the correct time... It can be fussy. |
| 21:35:44 | sersoft | i tried like 10times already |
| 21:36:05 | linuxstb_ | If the bootloader detects that you're holding play, it will either load Linux, or give you an error message saying that linux.bin doesn't exist. |
| 21:36:12 | sersoft | o wait i got it :P |
| 21:36:24 | sersoft | thanks |
| 21:36:49 | Febs | The 11th time's the charm. |
| 21:36:58 | sersoft | 12th actually |
| 21:37:09 | sersoft | i dunno it might be hard... |
| 21:37:12 | linuxstb_ | Who needs a boot menu? ;) |
| 21:37:23 | sersoft | PC's |
| 21:37:45 | sersoft | i dunno how I could live without my vista/xp/osx/linux loader :P |
| 21:38:02 | sersoft | (no im not using a mac) |
| 21:38:23 | * | linuxstb_ finds one operating system enough (on both PCs, and bringing it back on-topic, DAPs) |
| 21:38:24 | * | GodEater_ wonders why anyone would bother with so many OSes |
| 21:38:57 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: you keen for another devConPub in a week or so? |
| 21:39:02 | Domonoky | one os is enough for every DAP.. rockbox :-) |
| 21:39:07 | sersoft | just out of curiosity, how do irc bans work? |
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| 21:39:16 | sersoft | ip ? |
| 21:39:19 | * | linuxstb_ is always keen for *Pub |
| 21:39:19 | GodEater_ | sersoft: that's definitely off topic |
| 21:39:31 | sersoft | i know im a newbie to irc |
| 21:39:33 | GodEater_ | go as in #freenode |
| 21:39:35 | GodEater_ | *ask |
| 21:39:39 | * | preglow wants a pub :/ |
| 21:39:39 | linuxstb_ | GodEater_: Do we have any out-of-town visitors? |
| 21:39:46 | * | linuxstb_ invites preglow to London |
| 21:39:50 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: not that I know of - I just wanted a beer ;) |
| 21:40:03 | preglow | i'll be in england in a months time... |
| 21:40:08 | sersoft | how do i make purple text? |
| 21:40:09 | preglow | with not much spare time... |
| 21:40:10 | GodEater_ | sweet - we can do one then |
| 21:40:18 | GodEater_ | not so sweet :( |
| 21:40:26 | preglow | wedding |
| 21:40:31 | saratoga | linuxstb: did you ever look at making the asf parser not modify the audio buffer? |
| 21:40:40 | GodEater_ | preglow: can we gate crash ? :) |
| 21:40:41 | saratoga | if not, could you tell me a bit about how i could do that? |
| 21:40:54 | preglow | GodEater_: i expect people will be too pissed to notice anyway |
| 21:41:02 | GodEater_ | preglow: my kinda party :) |
| 21:41:06 | * | petur swears at his H10 |
| 21:41:35 | * | GodEater_ finds shouting at his DAP therapeutic too |
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| 21:42:35 | sersoft | i am shouting at the ipod linux devs for being so unhelpful |
| 21:43:44 | linuxstb_ | sersoft: I'm sure that will be productive... |
| 21:44:18 | sersoft | lol |
| 21:44:24 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: Not yet. But I know exactly what needs doing - I'll give it a go tonight. But first I need to cook dinner, then eat dinner... |
| 21:44:37 | GodEater_ | the drink beer, then smoke |
| 21:44:40 | GodEater_ | *then |
| 21:44:50 | sersoft | smoking is bad ntw |
| 21:44:54 | sersoft | btw* |
| 21:45:05 | preglow | and NOW you tell me |
| 21:45:07 | GodEater_ | I think you mean "mmmmmmkay?" |
| 21:45:16 | sersoft | I stopped smoking in 1 day :P |
| 21:45:30 | sersoft | after like 2 years |
| 21:45:51 | preglow | pretty much only smoke when i drink, now |
| 21:45:57 | preglow | life's too short not to smoke when you're drinking |
| 21:46:24 | sersoft | i mostly drink coke, or sprite |
| 21:46:44 | GodEater_ | and weigh 900 pounds no doubt... |
| 21:46:48 | preglow | i mostly drink water and tea, but i was talking about the alcoholic variety |
| 21:47:07 | GodEater_ | thank god |
| 21:47:12 | linuxstb_ | preglow: Then England is no longer the place to drink... |
| 21:47:12 | sersoft | i know, btw im skinny like a skeleton, so I eat and drink all i want |
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| 21:47:39 | preglow | linuxstb_: nor norway... |
| 21:47:52 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: not this summer anyway :( |
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| 21:48:06 | GodEater_ | it would be alright if outside was sunny enough |
| 21:48:12 | preglow | it's not! |
| 21:48:21 | GodEater_ | too bloody right it's not |
| 21:48:29 | GodEater_ | this is the worst summer I remember in years |
| 21:48:33 | sersoft | ontopic: nobody knows how to fix the linux installer from error10 cannot modify firmware?? |
| 21:48:36 | preglow | this is the worst summer i remember ever |
| 21:48:46 | GodEater_ | I made the mistake of going to the open air theatre in REgent's Park last week |
| 21:48:49 | GodEater_ | nearly froze |
| 21:48:52 | linuxstb_ | sersoft: That's almost as off-topic as beer... |
| 21:49:06 | sersoft | I thought the topic was DAP's |
| 21:49:11 | GodEater_ | the topic is rockbox |
| 21:49:15 | GodEater_ | or beer |
| 21:49:30 | sersoft | i dont drink alot of beer |
| 21:49:43 | GodEater_ | and THAT is heresy |
| 21:49:44 | petur | that's ok |
| 21:49:54 | sersoft | lol |
| 21:49:56 | petur | it's the quality that counts ;) |
| 21:50:01 | GodEater_ | more for the rest of us too |
| 21:50:24 | * | preglow has got a beer bottle he paid 20 euros for |
| 21:50:25 | sersoft | its unlimited lol, also I doubt any of you live in quebec |
| 21:50:43 | GodEater_ | preglow: just the bottle, not the beer ? |
| 21:50:48 | preglow | :P |
| 21:50:51 | preglow | it does contain beer |
| 21:50:59 | GodEater_ | thanlk g |
| 21:51:01 | GodEater_ | er |
| 21:51:03 | GodEater_ | thank god for that |
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| 21:51:12 | * | GodEater_ peers at his keyboard myopically |
| 21:51:23 | preglow | 16% too |
| 21:51:27 | preglow | so i think i'll wait |
| 21:51:29 | GodEater_ | wow |
| 21:52:14 | GodEater_ | it's not Tennent's Super is it ? |
| 21:52:24 | * | GodEater_ imagines preglow on a park bench |
| 21:52:38 | sersoft | is it actually possible to port rockbox to the nintendo DS? |
| 21:52:50 | GodEater_ | sersoft: I would imagine so |
| 21:53:03 | sersoft | i never should have sold mine then |
| 21:53:48 | Llorean | Just being possible doesn't mean it's likely to happen at all. |
| 21:53:52 | preglow | GodEater_: nah, it's some pitch black norwegian microbrewed stuff |
| 21:54:02 | preglow | which explains the price tag |
| 21:54:12 | preglow | sersoft: i've been toying with the idea |
| 21:54:12 | GodEater_ | sort of like Theakston's Old Peculier |
| 21:54:20 | preglow | GodEater_: a great beer, by the way |
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| 21:54:35 | GodEater_ | didn't saratoga say he'd made a start with bits of it too ? |
| 21:54:44 | preglow | don't think so |
| 21:54:56 | GodEater_ | his post says "he looked into it" |
| 21:54:59 | GodEater_ | I stand corrected |
| 21:55:01 | sersoft | will it ever make it to the nano 2G ? (im not asking cuz i dont even have one, i just want to know) |
| 21:55:10 | GodEater_ | sersoft: who knows ? |
| 21:55:15 | preglow | sweet god, are google capable of asking more annoying questions? |
| 21:55:20 | linuxstb_ | Does the DS have much storage (or the ability to use standard flash cards)? |
| 21:55:21 | GodEater_ | sersoft: but someone would have to work on it first |
| 21:55:43 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: I'll dig the other half's out later and look if you like |
| 21:55:50 | sersoft | yeah the ds can accept flash cards (with an adapter) |
| 21:56:12 | GodEater_ | although hers is the DS lite |
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| 21:56:17 | GodEater_ | I'm not clear on the differences |
| 21:56:24 | Llorean | In terms of SoC, where do we stand on "the code is functional on its own, but not merged into Rockbox yet"? |
| 21:56:29 | GodEater_ | other than it's god awful pink |
| 21:56:35 | preglow | question 13: do you actually want the t-shirt? |
| 21:56:36 | preglow | haha |
| 21:56:42 | Llorean | GodEater: DS lite is smaller, and has a brighter screen. That's about it. |
| 21:56:59 | GodEater_ | and is available in pink :) |
| 21:56:59 | sersoft | just like gameboy advance and SP |
| 21:57:07 | thegeek_ | My ds lite has really only been used by my little sister;P |
| 21:57:09 | webguest65 | Why is FS #6960 not commited? What is lacking in the patch? Flexibility? |
| 21:57:19 | thegeek_ | I love the games but I never have time to play on it;P |
| 21:57:34 | sersoft | is it possible to port rockbox to a cell phone? |
| 21:57:40 | thegeek_ | yes sersoft |
| 21:57:46 | sersoft | a sony ericsson for example? |
| 21:57:56 | thegeek_ | almost anything is possible when it comes to software porting |
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| 21:58:27 | thegeek_ | it's just the amount of effort that is different |
| 21:58:33 | sersoft | its very powerful I can listen to mp3 or radio, browse the web and record a video at the same time, then make a call and all of the apps stay open |
| 21:58:38 | thegeek_ | you can do it sersoft |
| 21:58:47 | preglow | god, someone post answers so i can duplicate them :/ |
| 21:58:54 | sersoft | im not a programmer sorry :( |
| 21:58:57 | thegeek_ | just spend 5 years learning C and hardware hacking |
| 21:59:02 | sersoft | haha |
| 21:59:06 | thegeek_ | not kidding |
| 21:59:08 | thegeek_ | it can be done |
| 21:59:09 | sersoft | i know |
| 21:59:10 | thegeek_ | you can do it |
| 21:59:12 | thegeek_ | come on |
| 21:59:17 | GodEater_ | preglow, can you not just say "yes" a lot ? :) |
| 21:59:17 | Llorean | preglow: There was discussion earlier on where "done" is, in terms of student code. Did they decide on "working on its own" or "merged" do you know? |
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| 21:59:36 | sersoft | by the time im done, my cell phone will be outdated by a few thousand other products |
| 21:59:37 | preglow | Llorean: don't know |
| 21:59:38 | GodEater_ | Llorean: I thought the discussion reached the point of "it's up to the mentor" |
| 21:59:46 | Llorean | Ah |
| 21:59:47 | Llorean | Well then |
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| 22:00:01 | webguest65 | Why is FS #6960 not commited? What is lacking in the patch? Flexibility? |
| 22:00:03 | GodEater_ | if you're happy with it, and are convinced Nico is going to keep working on it |
| 22:00:11 | GodEater_ | then say pass! |
| 22:00:12 | Llorean | GodEater_: I have no doubt Nico will integrate it. |
| 22:00:17 | GodEater_ | webguest65: we saw you the first time |
| 22:00:28 | GodEater_ | Llorean: neither have I |
| 22:00:33 | GodEater_ | so I'd pass him |
| 22:00:38 | GodEater_ | but you're his mentor |
| 22:00:42 | Llorean | Yup |
| 22:00:43 | preglow | i agree |
| 22:00:52 | Llorean | I intended to as long as nobody had any really, REALLY good objections. ;) |
| 22:01:02 | GodEater_ | can't think of a single bad one |
| 22:01:07 | GodEater_ | let alone a really REALLY good one |
| 22:01:18 | preglow | the code smells bad! |
| 22:01:28 | webguest65 | GodEater_: ?? |
| 22:01:38 | GodEater_ | webguest65: as in don't keep repeating yourself |
| 22:01:46 | GodEater_ | it's bad form in IRC |
| 22:01:58 | linuxstb_ | Llorean: IMO, "done" isn't the issue, it's whether the mentor thinks the student has done enough work (and I suppose work of a good enough quality) to warrant a pass. |
| 22:02:54 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:02:57 | webguest65 | GodEater_: sorry I intended to copy the text for repeating later if necessary, but it somehow came :$ |
| 22:03:10 | webguest65 | *came out |
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| 22:03:28 | Llorean | linuxstb_: Maybe I should put that in the "What do you as a mentor wish you'd known before you started" as perhaps "more specific discussion of how to evaluate things" |
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| 22:04:40 | GodEater_ | Llorean: "flip a coin" :) |
| 22:05:11 | preglow | i'm tempted to answer "that i would have to answer all these sorry-ass questions" on that question |
| 22:05:17 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 22:05:29 | preglow | seriously, i can't think of a bloody thing for half of them |
| 22:05:31 | Llorean | "What would you do differently for future instances of Summer of Code should you participate again?" "Save my answers to this year's questions" |
| 22:05:38 | preglow | hahaha |
| 22:06:05 | Llorean | I'm getting damn tired of (required) |
| 22:06:23 | preglow | yes... |
| 22:06:29 | preglow | "if" questions with required status |
| 22:07:35 | sersoft | ok i installed latest version and didn't get the error 10 YAY ME! |
| 22:07:44 | linuxstb_ | Just remember you're earning $500 for Rockbox... |
| 22:08:00 | sersoft | lol what? |
| 22:08:17 | Llorean | sersoft: We SoC mentors are |
| 22:08:27 | sersoft | lol |
| 22:08:41 | preglow | i'll just have to manage to attend a devcon sometime so i can suck some of that money out again in the form of beer... |
| 22:08:49 | sersoft | why are there so many ppl in the chat? |
| 22:09:18 | petur | preglow: and I shall take orders ;) |
| 22:09:27 | GodEater_ | sersoft: we're antisocial and have no life? |
| 22:10:07 | Bagder | I read about life in a book though! |
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| 22:10:14 | sersoft | i also have no life |
| 22:10:23 | sersoft | :D |
| 22:10:30 | Terinjokes | sersoft: ditto :P |
| 22:10:36 | * | petur looks for an H10 (5/6GB) user... |
| 22:10:53 | sersoft | i tend to stick around in gaming forums though |
| 22:10:56 | Bagder | petur: I don't think they're too frequent around here |
| 22:11:26 | Terinjokes | linuxstb_: for the cross compile, should I use the exact version as the doc page, or something newer? |
| 22:11:42 | Bagder | Terinjokes: we advice the exact version |
| 22:11:46 | GodEater_ | Terinjokes: exact version is advisable |
| 22:11:54 | Terinjokes | Bagder: ok, :P |
| 22:12:12 | amiconn | petur: wyp? |
| 22:12:22 | petur | Bagder: I'm not surprised, I'm not even getting it to update its firmware :/ - so probably not many users... |
| 22:12:28 | Bagder | :-( |
| 22:12:28 | Terinjokes | hrm... but i really perfer gz over bz2 :P (j/j) |
| 22:13:13 | * | GodEater_ remembers he has an early start tomorrow |
| 22:13:20 | amiconn | Bagder, petur: I have an H10/6GB ... |
| 22:13:28 | petur | ah... |
| 22:13:31 | Bagder | right, I forgot! |
| 22:14:05 | sersoft | there's a guy on youtube who made a video of rockbox on his h10 |
| 22:14:17 | petur | amiconn: mine has MTP firmware and after copying the rom file it fails to see it (and upgrade) |
| 22:14:31 | amiconn | How is the original file called? |
| 22:14:42 | sersoft | it must be in file transfer mode not mtp |
| 22:14:51 | petur | yes I know that |
| 22:14:54 | sersoft | mtp is for media files only i think |
| 22:14:57 | amiconn | Unfortunately I might not be of much help. Mine was UMS to begin with |
| 22:15:03 | petur | :( |
| 22:15:32 | preglow | anyone have ideas on what worked well for us in gsoc? i assume the fact that we now have more code doesn't count... |
| 22:15:40 | amiconn | I'd try the firmware updater. I'm not sure whether changing UMS<->MTP is possible manually |
| 22:15:45 | sersoft | there's a key combination to start in UMS mode i think |
| 22:16:02 | sersoft | i read a howto a long time ago |
| 22:16:03 | amiconn | sersoft, petur: Yes, hold Select during boot |
| 22:16:05 | petur | sersoft: yes, that is _not_ my problem |
| 22:16:31 | sersoft | ok so the problem is _________ ? |
| 22:16:43 | Llorean | preglow: What worked well was that three of our four students were already associated with the project and to an extent familiar with the codebase? |
| 22:16:46 | petur | the problem is I copied the rom file in the root and it just boots normally - no upgrade happening |
| 22:16:58 | amiconn | eurgh |
| 22:17:14 | preglow | Llorean: good, i just can't think of stuff like that |
| 22:17:19 | sersoft | you might have did something wrong then... |
| 22:17:21 | * | amiconn just got a crash a second after starting playback - with dircache disabled |
| 22:17:28 | amiconn | So that's not the prob... |
| 22:17:36 | * | petur downloads iriverplus |
| 22:17:45 | amiconn | petur: The rom file does not go into the root afaik |
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| 22:18:13 | petur | hmmm the MR wiki said it did |
| 22:19:18 | amiconn | Do you have a 5 or 6GB? |
| 22:19:29 | Terinjokes | i need gcc-4.0.3.tar.bz2, correct (for iPod)? |
| 22:19:37 | petur | 5GB |
| 22:19:59 | saratoga | preglow: do I have to fill something out too? |
| 22:20:00 | Terinjokes | no, i need core it looks like... |
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| 22:20:26 | sersoft | petur: you lucky.. person, i only got 1gb |
| 22:20:54 | Bagder | Terinjokes: you on linux? |
| 22:21:08 | sersoft | XP |
| 22:21:15 | Terinjokes | Bagder: no OSX |
| 22:21:27 | amiconn | petur: You first need to connect the player with the ums trick and copy the bl file to the root. Then disconnect, boot normally, *connect the player so that the computer detects it as mtp*, and disconnect again |
| 22:21:28 | Bagder | Terinjokes: then use the tools/rockboxdev.sh script |
| 22:21:36 | Bagder | it downloads, unpacks, builds, installs |
| 22:21:42 | Terinjokes | Bagder: i'm doing it manually, thank you :P |
| 22:21:49 | Terinjokes | Bagder: gcc-core-4.0.3.tar.bz2 correct? |
| 22:21:53 | amiconn | The rom will only be flashed after successful mtp connect + disconnect iiuc |
| 22:21:57 | preglow | saratoga: no idea |
| 22:22:03 | Bagder | ... yes, as the script does it |
| 22:22:17 | petur | amiconn: did that, will redo the whole thing one more time |
| 22:23:22 | amiconn | I found german instructions for the conversion |
| 22:23:23 | Terinjokes | Bagder: i used the script last time, and it didn't work, so i'm doing it manually |
| 22:23:51 | Bagder | Terinjokes: the script has been improved, and has worked for OSX users already |
| 22:23:54 | amiconn | http://www.frozenantilope.de/iriver-forum/viewtopic.php?t=4952&highlight=emergency+modus |
| 22:23:58 | Bagder | but sure, do what you tihnk is fun |
| 22:24:39 | Terinjokes | Bagder: that's nice, but i'd rather spend time trying to figure it out, then to let some script do it... how else am i supposed to waste my time? |
| 22:24:55 | Bagder | by writing rockbox code! |
| 22:24:58 | linuxstb_ | You could port java. |
| 22:25:04 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 22:25:16 | amiconn | petur: I hope it's not a H10 pure? |
| 22:25:28 | petur | that would be? |
| 22:25:33 | Terinjokes | linuxstb_: oh, let me get started on that now... Bagder: i would, but I'm head of IT, not programmer |
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| 22:25:56 | amiconn | The pure has no radio... and there is no UMS firmware for it |
| 22:26:08 | petur | so no rockbox? |
| 22:26:16 | amiconn | Sure you can install rockbox |
| 22:26:21 | petur | ah |
| 22:26:33 | amiconn | You just have to always use emergency connect to get into ums |
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| 22:26:49 | amiconn | Same goes for the 'big' H10 |
| 22:27:21 | amiconn | (iiuc what barrywardell said - I also found instructions to convert a 'big' H10 to UMS with an US firmware) |
| 22:27:46 | petur | that german link is just a translation of the MR wiki |
| 22:27:47 | amiconn | You can even try to convert a H10 pure to ums by tricking it to install the non-pure firmware |
| 22:27:53 | amiconn | ah ok |
| 22:28:38 | petur | strange thing is it only shows the OK To Disconnect screen after it has already been disconnected |
| 22:28:53 | amiconn | Should be simple to find out what you have. Is there a radio menu item in the OF |
| 22:28:54 | amiconn | ? |
| 22:28:55 | petur | but in MTP mode I find no way to disconnect on PC |
| 22:29:39 | Terinjokes | i noticed some players going to MTP mode when connected to a mac |
| 22:29:50 | Terinjokes | (although they still showed as UMS) |
| 22:30:47 | sersoft | dammit im getting the file reading errors again |
| 22:30:57 | sersoft | even using rockbox bootloader |
| 22:31:16 | sersoft | i think it's because there's a linux partition |
| 22:31:26 | amiconn | That doesn't matter |
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| 22:31:39 | sersoft | it does for me |
| 22:31:46 | sersoft | cant even play videos anymore |
| 22:32:33 | Terinjokes | any suggestions on where to install on a mac? |
| 22:32:44 | preglow | ok, surveys done |
| 22:32:45 | amiconn | I mean it doesn't matter whether there is a linux partition |
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| 22:33:09 | sersoft | so how do i fix the file errors thing??? |
| 22:33:37 | amiconn | There can be as many other partitions as you like. Rockbox will use the first primary fat32 partition it is able to mount |
| 22:34:11 | sersoft | yeah it runs it even plays plugins and stuff, just makes errors while playinf files like music and videos |
| 22:35:03 | sersoft | i thought it was because of the loader.. but it does it when running from rockbox loader too (when linux is installed) |
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| 22:35:30 | linuxstb_ | sersoft: Which ipod do you have? |
| 22:35:59 | sersoft | nano 1gb |
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| 22:36:27 | petur | amiconn: it is the PURE version :/ |
| 22:36:38 | sersoft | I guess |
| 22:37:04 | sersoft | it runs in file transfer mode by default when plugged in USB |
| 22:37:21 | Terinjokes | sersoft: hrm, rockbox runs fine with nano 1G (i use it myself) |
| 22:37:27 | sersoft | i know |
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| 22:37:46 | sersoft | but im having problems as soon as i install ipod linux |
| 22:37:51 | Terinjokes | sersoft: you're using OF+Rockbox+IPL? |
| 22:38:00 | sersoft | what os OF? |
| 22:38:03 | linuxstb_ | Aren't some people on the forums reporting Nano problems with recent builds? |
| 22:38:17 | Terinjokes | linuxstb_: i have a recent build, no problems |
| 22:38:18 | Llorean | linuxstb_: Several. |
| 22:38:26 | Llorean | linuxstb_: IN the bug trackers, search Nano 1.3.1 |
| 22:38:33 | Llorean | Because the bug was named after the old theory |
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| 22:38:43 | sersoft | yeah but It works fine without linux |
| 22:38:49 | * | petur boots rockbox on the H10 :) |
| 22:39:03 | sersoft | congratulations |
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| 22:39:31 | amiconn | petur: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=369202#post369202 |
| 22:40:10 | petur | thanks |
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| 22:41:18 | * | linuxstb_ wonders if the cpu speed increase should be reverted until it's reliable on all Nanos? |
| 22:41:44 | Llorean | I just really wish I knew what was different about those ones. |
| 22:41:48 | petur | aaaargh... file not found on one of the links :/ |
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| 22:45:38 | sersoft | WOOOOOOT!!! |
| 22:45:48 | sersoft | video plays |
| 22:46:05 | amiconn | linuxstb: It's definitely not a cpu speed prob |
| 22:46:15 | sersoft | still a couple green squares but it dosent skip and dosent crash halfway through |
| 22:46:33 | dionoea | amiconn: not sure if this is worth mentioning but a function starting at 0x00194188 (provided that you loaded apple_os.bin with a 0x200 offset in IDA) lists all the intersting threads/task. Looks like the function which launches them all (or something like that). (That's for version 1.1(not entirely sure) of the Video Apple) |
| 22:46:35 | amiconn | I would really like to see this fixed, but I can't do it myself |
| 22:47:17 | sersoft | i <3 you guys |
| 22:47:20 | preglow | hmm |
| 22:47:28 | preglow | are all nanos susceptible? |
| 22:47:39 | * | barrywardell catches up on petur's troubles from the logs |
| 22:47:48 | sersoft | * sersoft is playing video on rockbox after playing mario deluxe on ibox |
| 22:47:56 | amiconn | preglow: Obviously not |
| 22:48:02 | sersoft | iboy* |
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| 22:48:27 | amiconn | But in fact they might be. I suspect it's an ata timing problem, which would also explain why ata sleep doesn't work on nano |
| 22:48:40 | amiconn | (or rather, the subsequent wake-up) |
| 22:48:44 | preglow | why? is sleep more timing sensitive? |
| 22:48:48 | preglow | oh |
| 22:48:56 | amiconn | No, but it might wake up in a slower pio mode |
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| 22:49:28 | amiconn | And I know that some ata devices don't tolerate faster timings than what would be expected in the respective mode |
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| 22:49:38 | amiconn | Most do, though |
| 22:49:52 | linuxstb_ | That wouldn't surprise me - IIRC, there isn't any Nano-specific ATA code, it just inherited the 4G code. |
| 22:50:09 | Terinjokes | crap... ran the command for gcc and building binutils :P |
| 22:50:19 | amiconn | The code doesn't need to be nano specific; we're not handling ata timing properly on any pp target yet |
| 22:50:39 | amiconn | But the toshiba disks seem to tolerate what we are doing |
| 22:51:34 | sersoft | ok my nano problem is mostly solved... bye for now... |
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| 22:52:18 | amiconn | There is code for setting the ata timing in ata_init for pp - but it just sets a timing that's roughly okay for ~80MHz and PIO4 |
| 22:52:42 | amiconn | I'm not entirely sure about all the bits in the timing registers - that needs more investigation |
| 22:52:57 | preglow | but yeah, it being an ata issue sounds logical |
| 22:53:06 | amiconn | Some ata devices expect PIO2 timing at startup/wakeup |
| 22:53:32 | preglow | anyway, last i checked, telling this chip to sleep is no different from just leaving it idle for 500us or so |
| 22:53:32 | amiconn | ..and refuse to operate at a higher timing until SET_FEATURES enables them |
| 22:53:44 | preglow | but apparently there is a difference, of course... |
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| 22:54:05 | preglow | but i think i remember the datasheet saying the mode is the same |
| 22:54:12 | amiconn | Well, it's not strictly necessary on nano, but the failure does indicate that we're doing something wrong |
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| 22:55:50 | Tempis2 | is there a way to force a database update in rockbox? |
| 22:56:05 | Tempis2 | not in the background |
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| 22:56:49 | Bagder | how about this size delta table => http://build.rockbox.org/dev2.cgi |
| 22:57:06 | Bagder | the deltas shown are the average ram and bin delta |
| 22:59:14 | petur | I don't think these averages tell much, why not let the user select, or show two tables? |
| 23:00 |
| 23:00:04 | Bagder | I don't want to select since I want them all to be visible when browswing the page, and I having two tables that are next to identical during 99% of the time is also a bit weird |
| 23:00:35 | Bagder | I'll try with this for a while on this alternative URL to see |
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| 23:01:00 | Bagder | if you hover over a value you get all the details |
| 23:01:11 | Bagder | diff + total for both kinds |
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| 23:04:12 | maddler | evening all! :D |
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| 23:11:54 | Bagder | http://ipod.top-arrow.net/install/firmware.html |
| 23:11:57 | Bagder | ;-) |
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| 23:14:30 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: I hope those instructions are accurate... |
| 23:14:51 | Bagder | the parts I can read looked fine! ;-P |
| 23:15:56 | linuxstb_ | Although the Rockbox Japanese translation doesn't seem to have been updated since March 2006... |
| 23:17:22 | * | linuxstb_ is still reading through that website - it's very extensive... |
| 23:17:43 | linuxstb_ | s/reading/looking at the pictures/ |
| 23:17:50 | Bagder | http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_4b2ed3c3010008m2.html <= more in similar spirit... |
| 23:18:43 | Bagder | I scan the referer list from the web server stats a times |
| 23:19:04 | | Part Domonoky_ |
| 23:19:44 | linuxstb_ | So it seems we do have a fair number of Japanese and Chinese users, but they just never make themselves known here? |
| 23:20:10 | Bagder | yeah, possibly it could be a language barrier |
| 23:20:14 | preglow | they try to not make themselves understood from time to time |
| 23:20:22 | preglow | but not often these days |
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| 23:22:21 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Is there a reason "make install" doesn't build Rockbox? |
| 23:23:01 | Bagder | yes, as if the build fails the install isn't done |
| 23:23:14 | linuxstb_ | Isn't that what you want? |
| 23:23:17 | Bagder | with a separate action, it is easier to install a failed build |
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| 23:23:40 | Bagder | well, during development it has happened more than once that I've wanted to install anyway |
| 23:23:54 | linuxstb_ | OK, it's not a big issue, I was just curious... |
| 23:24:40 | linuxstb_ | Wouldn't make -k install do it? |
| 23:24:58 | Bagder | I guess it would |
| 23:25:17 | Bagder | I do have a feeling there was another reason as well but I can't recall any right now |
| 23:25:37 | witz | Hey is possible to install rockbox on a ipod video 30gb? This one : http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html |
| 23:25:58 | linuxstb_ | Yes. |
| 23:26:34 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org lists the supported devices at the top of the page. See the "manual" link on the left for install instructions. |
| 23:27:34 | witz | I seen the ipod video manual link, just wanted to be sure it worked on the latest model. |
| 23:28:32 | linuxstb_ | It does. The only ipods it doesnt' work on are the shuffles and the latest (2nd generation) Nanos. |
| 23:30:38 | witz | linuxstb_ So the music,video,photos,ebooks, and games will work on rockbox out of box? |
| 23:31:53 | Bagder | witz: if you mean the rockbox games and those files have the right format, yes |
| 23:32:32 | witz | yes I meant the rockbox games ;) |
| 23:33:09 | witz | But the rest of the stuff above should work right? |
| 23:33:28 | Bagder | yes, but not necessarily when using the formats you used with the OF |
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| 23:33:50 | witz | What type of formats don't work? |
| 23:34:05 | Llorean | Anything DRM restricted/encrypted. |
| 23:34:21 | Bagder | and video needs to be mpeg1/2 |
| 23:34:36 | Bagder | uh, that's not half ;-) |
| 23:34:43 | * | ender` yawns |
| 23:35:54 | witz | Oh thats not a issue since I have drm-free files :) The videos if I'll need them I'll convert them to mpeg's not big of a problem. |
| 23:37:11 | witz | Where on the rockbox.org site can I read more about supported formats and what else rockbox could do? |
| 23:38:05 | Bagder | in the manual and in the wiki |
| 23:39:12 | Terinjokes | any word on USB on iPod targets? |
| 23:39:25 | Bagder | one word: gsoc2007 |
| 23:40:18 | * | petur now has an UMS bootloader :) |
| 23:40:48 | Terinjokes | Bagder: that's actually 8 words |
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| 23:40:56 | Bagder | :-P |
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| 23:41:28 | * | barrywardell cheers petur |
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| 23:41:42 | Terinjokes | Bagder: do we have updates from Summer of Code? |
| 23:43:06 | Bagder | I haven't kept up with the recent developments |
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| 23:43:18 | Bagder | but there is at least basic usb stuff working |
| 23:43:50 | saratoga | i can't wait to erase the sandisk firmware |
| 23:44:14 | Llorean | Erase Sandisk, shrink the boot partition on my Nano to almost nothing... nice. |
| 23:44:30 | Terinjokes | Bagder: the focus is on Sansa player though |
| 23:44:53 | Bagder | well, he needs to focus on one target |
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| 23:45:13 | Llorean | Terinjokes: A quite large chunk of the code will be a good start for all the other targets. |
| 23:45:16 | linuxstb | Terinjokes: Not really - there are enough interested devs to maintain the code on all PP targets. |
| 23:45:31 | linuxstb | e.g. Petur just bought himself a H10... |
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| 23:45:53 | petur | ...without radio :/ |
| 23:45:59 | barrywardell | there should be almost zero code difference between PP targets anyway |
| 23:46:14 | linuxstb | barrywardell: That's my hope... |
| 23:46:39 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Have you been testing on the H10? |
| 23:46:41 | Terinjokes | http://code.google.com/soc/2007/rockbox/about.html |
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| 23:46:57 | Terinjokes | yucky, WMA :P |
| 23:46:58 | barrywardell | yes |
| 23:47:05 | barrywardell | I've been playing around with it a good bit |
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| 23:47:21 | barrywardell | but not sure how much to do until we here from austriancoder again |
| 23:47:56 | linuxstb | Is the code anywhere near being ready to commit? |
| 23:48:18 | barrywardell | well, the code I have working is just a hacked version of e200tool's code |
| 23:48:29 | barrywardell | I'm not even sure if we're allowed to commit that? |
| 23:48:37 | barrywardell | without permission from MrH |
| 23:48:55 | saratoga | no anonomous contributions anyway |
| 23:49:01 | petur | he should first change back to his own code then... |
| 23:49:05 | Terinjokes | update: Cross compiler installed, and Rockbox successfully built |
| 23:49:06 | petur | and use interrupts |
| 23:49:18 | saratoga | anonymous |
| 23:49:29 | linuxstb | Ah, so progress isn't as far as I thought... |
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| 23:50:04 | saratoga | is this where i gloat for getting my project into SVN 6 weeks ago |
| 23:50:19 | Llorean | Hahaha |
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| 23:50:40 | Llorean | Well wasn't austriancoder's code *supposed* to work except for the one problem with TX? |
| 23:50:51 | pixelma | rasher: the polish language file looks like the it has the strings only attached to the all targets part and doesn't use the features... |
| 23:51:00 | petur | he told me his serial driver was working |
| 23:51:11 | pixelma | rasher: (at least in the first few I looked at) |
| 23:51:12 | petur | and the ums driver was getting better |
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| 23:52:13 | barrywardell | It would be nice to have a patch to try |
| 23:52:52 | witz | Bagder : I'm about to go ahead and install rockbox on a 1st gen ipod nano, and wanted to ask, where is the /root on the nano? I looked inside and I only have the files : Contacts, Calendars,iPod_Control,and Notes. |
| 23:53:16 | Terinjokes | witz: that is thw root |
| 23:53:20 | linuxstb | That's the root - i.e. the top-level of your ipod (not inside any folders) |
| 23:53:31 | witz | so dump it in there? |
| 23:54:03 | petur | he also told me he had some real life troubles (I'm not detailing here unless he wants to) |
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| 23:54:09 | linuxstb | Yes. After you install Rockbox, you should have Contacts, Calendars, iPod_Control, Notes and .rockbox folders in the root. |
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| 23:54:48 | Terinjokes | witz: say your ipod is E:/, you should copy .rockbox, so that it is E:/.rockbox/ |
| 23:54:50 | pixelma | rasher: but maybe still better than a way outdate one? |
| 23:55:00 | pixelma | *outdated |
| 23:55:02 | barrywardell | petur: have austriancoder given you anything to try yourself? |
| 23:55:06 | rasher | pixelma: hrm, shame on me for not checking more thoroughly |
| 23:55:48 | petur | barrywardell: no, I guess I could ask him. I'm building plain rb for h10 now, next step will be patched ;) |
| 23:55:49 | rasher | pixelma: which strings are this? |
| 23:55:58 | witz | Terinjokes : I'm on linux so I don't need help with the locating the ipod :) |
| 23:56:13 | Terinjokes | witz: it was an example in either case :P |
| 23:56:33 | Terinjokes | just to illustrate the file structure |
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| 23:57:01 | rasher | pixelma: it could also be my fault (the patch was done using my web interface) |
| 23:57:06 | pixelma | rasher: looks like all in the dest part, not sure how well it works together if the source part defines something else? |
| 23:57:10 | linuxstb | saratoga: Some more TABs seem to have found their way into wmadeci.c... |
| 23:57:33 | rasher | pixelma: hrm, I'm starting from the bottom - LANG_MIN_DURATION for example looks fine to me |
| 23:57:34 | witz | Do I have to be root to extract the .rockbox into the ipod? |
| 23:57:51 | Bagder | witz: it depends on how you mount it |
| 23:58:26 | witz | Bagder : The ipod is mounted with rw permisions |
| 23:58:26 | Terinjokes | on the ipod, is alarm played through the speakers or the ipod speaker? |
| 23:58:27 | barrywardell | petur: I'd be interested in a patch to play with if he has one. the Friday patch on his site doesn't compile |
| 23:58:28 | linuxstb | witz: I normally do "unzip rockbox.zip -d /mnt/ipod/" (replace path as appropriate...) |
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