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#rockbox log for 2007-08-20

00:01:33ddaltonn1s: I am using an iriver h300 what do I need to include?
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00:03:30n1sddalton: either you add h300 before the string in english.lang as is done for may strings already which are present for multiple targets/features or you edit features.txt to include the soft_shutdown feature for the h300, or all targets for that matter unless you are going to try to get the patch comitted, also this will brak your voicefile
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00:04:27ddaltonn1s: what will break my voice file?
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00:05:25n1sddalton: yes, because it will include a new string in the middle of the array which will ofset the ids the voicefile clips wil be in incorrect order and you will need to generate a new voicefile
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00:06:40ddaltonn1s: can I just change the line soft_shutdown: "Shut down" to "Shut down"?
00:07:24n1sthat would be *: "Shut down" but yeah, still breaks the voicefile thoufh
00:07:52ddaltonok and then I can just build another voice file?
00:08:15*amiconn wonders what ddalton is trying to do
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00:08:52amiconnWhy put a shutdown command in the menu when there is proper shutdown with the Stop button which works from everywhere?
00:10:56DerPapstsome people prefer a menu for that.
00:11:42LloreanHonestly, I'd prefer a shutdown option in the menu, and in the future for iPods at least, have Play/Pause suspend
00:11:53DerPapsti use "Stand by" in the Apple OF's rootmenu too instead of holding long play
00:14:28amiconnI happen to have the only target that does have (clean) shutdown from menu only, and it's really cumbersome
00:14:44amiconn...especially since the main menu got introduced
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00:23:51n1shmm, now why did rockbox save the value 87 for high frequency cutoff? made me think we had a voice bug when the display said 2000 and the voice said 87... maybe some leagal range checking should be introduced on settings, although it shouldn't have saved these values in the first place...
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01:06:42linuxstbLlorean: Did you lock that sansapatcher thread?
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01:10:39scorchelinuxstb: he is out
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01:17:41Tempisanyone here using a sansa e2xx
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01:20:55n1sTempis: ask your question and maybe someone can answer
01:21:48TempisI just installed rockbox on it and it initially started up fine, but now I get nothing on the screen
01:22:26Tempisalso, can you make the font bigger?
01:22:32n1sTempis: what happends if you press the menu button (whichever that is)?
01:22:48DerPapstyes you can
01:22:48Tempisahh, you need to hold the button down for longer
01:22:57DerPapstif you have the font pack installed
01:22:58n1sTempis: yes, install the fonts pack from the extras link on the frontpage
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01:23:11n1sthen select another font
01:23:41n1swell, filebrowser in empty dir with no statusbar => empty screen
01:24:19Tempisalso, only my mircosd card seems to be showing up
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01:24:45Tempisrockbox doesn't see anything I previously loaded
01:24:55Tempisor is that expected?
01:26:03FebsWhat type of music did you previously load and how did you load it?
01:26:13Tempisjust mp3s
01:26:29n1sTempis: try changing the "Show files" setting to "all"
01:26:31Tempislike which mode did I use?
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01:27:18Tempisok, yeah its there now
01:27:27Tempisam I going to have to reload those files?
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01:28:07FebsNo. But if the original firmware puts them in a hidden folder, you need to have Rockbox set to "show all" to see them.
01:28:25darwin81What would you guys say is the best non-iPod player that has perfect support for Rockbox?
01:29:01n1sdarwin81: no player has "perfect" support...
01:29:32Febsdarwin81: it depends on what features you like. The iriver H100 series works great with Rockbox for playing music and recording, but does not have a color screen.
01:29:34n1sdarwin81: it all comes down to what you want it to do
01:30:42FebsThe Gigabeat works well and is relatively inexpensive (compared to similar capacity iPods).
01:31:11darwin81Don't Archos players work the best?
01:32:06n1sdarwin81: I've never used one myself but they have the most mature rockbox support...
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01:32:19iambenmy sansa is pretty good too
01:32:21n1sbut they are lacking in some areas
01:32:52Tempiseverytime I the default firmware loads on the e2xx I get Refresh Database and it takes 30 seconds to a minute for it to complete
01:33:02darwin81I was thinking a small flash based player. Any reccomendations?
01:33:19n1snamely avalability, size, format support...
01:33:49n1sdarwin81: only three flash players are supported, Archos ondio, ipod nano 1G and sansa e200
01:34:21n1sondios are hard to get, and have only 128MB internal storage but can be expanded musin MMC cards
01:34:26pixelmaondio comes in 2 flavours - with radio and without
01:35:24n1snano 1G works pretty well appart from some recent problems, should be easier to get available up to 4GB
01:35:36n1ssansa is easy to get up to 8GB
01:35:43n1sand available with radio
01:36:19darwin81Sansa e200 looks nice. Any thoughts?
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01:38:50TempisI like it so far
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01:47:30EnterUserNamewhats the status of the RockBox on Nano 2nd generation
01:47:40EnterUserNameis anyone working on it or is it been deemed lost cause :)
01:50:03darwin81What's the most recenct Archos model that supports Rockbox
01:50:31DerPapstgood night everyone :)
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01:56:21scorchedarwin81: well, no recent Archos model =)
01:56:38EnterUserNameany alpha test for 2nd gen?
01:56:41scorcheEnterUserName: AFAIK, no one is working on it, but we don't declare things "a lost cause" really...
01:56:48EnterUserNameoh ok
01:56:55scorcheand you dont need to repeat yourself..
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01:57:11EnterUserNamesorry :)
01:58:22EnterUserNameHmm well that sucks. So if i wanted to give an ipod as a gift its pointless cuz itunes software sucks bad. ;)
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01:59:13scorchenot all people feel that way...
01:59:27EnterUserNameWell can you play videos on Ipod Nano 2nd generation :)
01:59:33EnterUserNameOr ogg files..or..flac ..
01:59:42scorcheask apple, not me...
01:59:56EnterUserNameHeh..ok. What mp3 player would you suggest to buy
02:00:00EnterUserNamefor RockBox?
02:00:26scorchewell, that depends on what features you want...
02:01:21*scorche gets back to trying to resurrect 2 dead AJBRv1 s with a cheap soldering iron
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02:04:12EnterUserNameis Sansa E280 supported?
02:04:41EnterUserNameAnd does it have enuff cpu performance to play videos?
02:06:27EnterUserNameI see on the web page it says its supported im trying to find out if it can handle videos (e200 series is supported)
02:09:08EnterUserNameAny Sandisk e200 series user which they can say its a great product? im thinking of buying it
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02:13:34iambeni like mine
02:14:09iambenit plays mpegs just fine if you size them properly
02:14:27EnterUserNamewhats the usual size? And what does it mean when it says usb is not working?
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02:15:25EnterUserName 224x176-469kbps 224x128-354kbps
02:15:35EnterUserNameso what does it mean when it says USB is not supported?
02:16:17BigMacwrong channel, sorry guys
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02:16:41FebsEnterUserName: It means you need to use the original firmware for a USB connection.
02:17:18EnterUserNameiamben: Can you use linux to transfer video/music like amarok?
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02:17:35EnterUserNamehmm looks like a great music player
02:17:51*EnterUserName will defintely buy it sometime
02:18:47EnterUserNameFebs: The e280 is definetely supported?
02:19:26iambenEnterUserName: yes and yes
02:19:33EnterUserNamewoo hoo :) ok thank u:)
02:19:35iambenive actually got my e280 hooked up to amarok right now
02:20:10iambenjust make sure you dont get the e280R (rhapsody) from best buy
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02:32:50advcomp2019yea iamben is right EnterUserName
02:34:20andrew_the e280 is on sale for about $180 here at futureshop in canada
02:34:38andrew_I bough my e260 a few months ago for abotu $220
02:35:03andrew_I have had rockbox on it since a little after the port started, way before it even played music :)
02:37:43advcomp2019officemax is at $170
02:38:16EnterUserNameits 195 at canadacomputers
02:39:02EnterUserNameoh my gosh
02:39:18EnterUserNamethans andrew
02:39:21EnterUserNamethanks andrew!
02:41:03iambendunno how this converts, but circuit city has e280 @ $149USD
02:41:12EnterUserNameits really cheap
02:41:13EnterUserNameat futuershop
02:41:15EnterUserName144 canadian
02:43:29andrew_futureshop might ship to american addresses too I think
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04:08:37BigMacthis is #tcpa, not a street gang
04:08:47BigMacoh my god
04:08:56BigMacWrong channel again:(
04:09:00BigMacstupid touchpad
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04:32:50EnterUserNameI hope this SanDisk is better than ipod first gen :)
04:32:59EnterUserNameThe nano :)
04:33:48DogBoysounds better than my video ipod
04:33:54EnterUserNameYa it looks alot better
04:34:00EnterUserNameits on sale at future shop
04:34:17DogBoyoh yea
04:34:24EnterUserNamedont buy it darn it
04:34:28DogBoyI couldn't wait, I bought one at circuit city
04:34:28EnterUserNameWait till i get mine!
04:34:32EnterUserNameoh :)
04:34:36EnterUserNamegood good!
04:34:40EnterUserNamei should keep quet :)
04:34:48DogBoyI recommend it
04:34:53DogBoyreally great sounding
04:35:05EnterUserNameYa. Looks great. Rockbox supports it almost completely
04:35:09DogBoyyou're talking about the 8 gig one right
04:35:31EnterUserNameI wonder how the FM radio works on it
04:36:07DogBoylet's talk about it in #rockbox-community
04:55:16Tempisthe fm radio on my sansa e250 sucks
04:56:15Tempisbut, I didn't buy it to listen to the radio
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05:29:52webguest87This is rather a newb question, but I truly have not encountered C before rockbox:
05:30:14webguest87what is the difference between struct-> and struct. ?
05:31:36webguest87in an oop language i.e. c++ , the . retrieves the element from the struct
05:31:50webguest87but I saw both -> and .
05:32:31webguest87are they the same?
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05:42:44webguest87never mind, silly of me, should have studied more about pointer before asking this question :)
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06:05:02tri170391I have some problem, I have a failed attempt of test_disk (In write/verify test, due to not enough disk space) on my ipod, the program hang with "write() failed". And after reboot, the free space reduce from ~200MB to 3MB. And I found and deleted the __TEMP__ folder on the root of the drive, but the freespace i gained is just ~30MB.
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06:05:33tri170391I have tried chkdsk /f and chkdsk /r on windows but no luck, anyway to recover it?
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08:11:19brentgarneris anyone else having problems with the forums?
08:11:42brentgarnerok, as long as im not the only one lol
08:11:55LinusNthe server is busy as hell
08:12:12brentgarnerwhat are people doing on it this late at night?
08:12:29LinusNit's early in the morning here :-)
08:12:50LinusNmy guess is that a web crawler is giving it a hard time
08:13:07brentgarnerwell i guess you could say the same for me. 1:11 am
08:13:16brentgarnerthats really early
08:13:22LinusNthere is also a runaway process which i can't kill
08:14:07brentgarnerdoes this happen often, the forums have always worked for me in the past year
08:14:30LinusNi believe the forums are slow as hell about this time every day
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08:14:57brentgarnerahh ic
08:15:16brentgarnerso what do you use rockbox on?
08:15:24brentgarneri have it on my gigabeat
08:16:39markuniriver h120 and gigabeat f40
08:16:43LinusNi have it on my archos player, archos recorder, archos recorder fm, iaudio x5, ipod video and my gigabeat :-)
08:16:57LinusNand on my iriver h140 and my iriver h340
08:17:10*amiconn found an inconsistency in peakmeter behaviour between h1x0 and ipod video
08:17:19LinusNamiconn: oh?
08:17:33amiconnOn H1x0 it releases during pause, on video it does not
08:17:44markunbrentgarner: happy with rockbox?
08:18:30brentgarnero ya i love it, i absolutelly hated the firmware of the regualar gigabeat and a friend told me about this site a while back
08:18:49amiconnbrentgarner: I have it on my archos player, recorder, ondio fm, ondio sp, iriver h180, iriver h340, iriver h10, ipod mini 2nd gen, ipod 1st gen, ipod 2nd gen, and iaudo x5 :-)
08:19:07brentgarneri got lucky because they just had released rockbox for the gigabeat then
08:19:21brentgarnerholy freakin crap that alot of mp3 players
08:19:54*Llorean only has an Archos Recorder, H120, Nano, Gigabeat, and Sansa.
08:19:57markunbrentgarner: it's not onsusual for rockbox devs to have more than 1 player :)
08:20:18DogBoyonly, hehe
08:20:26brentgarneri guess that would make sence
08:20:35markunLlorean: soon a Gigabeat S?
08:20:49Lloreanmarkun: No, apparently not
08:20:52LloreanI'm going to be looking again though
08:20:55LloreanI want to get an S60
08:21:23brentgarnerQ? does rockbox support ogg files?
08:21:43markunLlorean: sometimes you see people at mygigabeat who get sick of their S60 and want to get rid of it
08:21:48markunbrentgarner: yes, it does
08:21:48amiconnLlorean: Your mp3 players might beat mine in terms of total processing power ;)
08:22:10Lloreanamiconn: I have two Gigabeat Fs, I think between them alone that about covers it. :-P
08:22:14*Llorean should build a cluster. ;)
08:22:28Lloreanmarkun: If I could stand browsing those forums, I might look. :)
08:22:29amiconnHaha. Run dnetc on them ;)
08:22:46markunLlorean: I'm also getting so tired of all that spam.. :(
08:23:07brentgarnermarkun: thank you
08:23:50markunbrentgarner: and some other key features you might have missed:
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08:24:45amiconnHmm. petur's peakmeter change has a bug (it doesn't count the release as "release per tick" but rather as "release per tick + read", as reads usually don't happen every single tick)
08:25:06brentgarnerhow do i use gapless playback?
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08:25:32amiconnBut if I fix that, the default is too fast. 1 unit per tick roughly equals how it behaved before, but you can't set it slower
08:25:40markunbrentgarner: ;)
08:25:59brentgarnermarkun: awesome, your a lifesaver man
08:29:15markunamiconn: I know you don't use replaygain, but would it be an idea to implement it on the HWCODEC targets in the same way that mp3gain did it (by altering the global gain of the mp3 file)?
08:29:47amiconnThat would require touching every single frame
08:30:12markunok, so not so good
08:30:44amiconnIt could work, but only if on-the-fly modification of the mp3 stream gets implemented
08:30:50brentgarnerwill id3 album art ever work on rockbox?
08:30:58amiconnLinusN said he has ideas how to do that
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08:31:23amiconn(e.g. for speed change without pitch change, or for audible seek)
08:31:49*LinusN hides
08:33:50brentgarnerim gonna sound completelly retarded here, but does anyone here have an account to oink?
08:36:25brentgarnernevermind, sorry i asked, im off thanks for you help everyone
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08:39:07amiconnOdd. H300 also releases the peakmeter on pause like the H1x0, but 2nd gen, mini G2, and Video do not. Something seems to be special cased for iriver (or coldfire)
08:39:23amiconn(X5 needs charging)
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08:43:19amiconnAh, yes. pcm_coldfire.c only returns the peak from the buffer if it is playing and not paused. Otherwise it returns 0
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08:43:43amiconnpcm-pp.c just returns the peak from the buffer, and that is "frozen" during pause
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08:46:50HammerofJusticehey guys I was just wondering does anyone know if rockbox works with the E200R series of the sansa products? Thanks for any help.
08:47:03scorcheit doesnt
08:48:18GodEaterit even says so on the front page at
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08:50:35GodEatergoodbye, and thanks for listening...
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08:56:48LinusNjesus, the forum server is really busy, i wonder if jeff is awake...
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08:57:54LloreanIt's been like this the last couple nights at this time
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09:00:03GodEaterI think the clockwork in it is running down
09:00:19PaulJammorning, is there someone who maintains the german translation?
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09:02:48linuxstb_PaulJam: I don't know, but pixelma recently made a large set of changes to it.
09:03:24amiconnPaulJam: Found a mistake?
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09:05:13PaulJamyes, in the recording settings the split time setting is labeled "zeit/datum setzen" (LANG_TIME).
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09:05:48PaulJamwhich should propably only be "Zeit"
09:07:40amiconnSplit time is called 'Aufteilzeit' here
09:08:01amiconnThe other string is from the time and date setting screen, nothing to do with recording
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09:08:45PaulJamin the recording setings under AUfteilungseinstellungen=>AUfteilungskriterium.
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09:11:04amiconnAh, yes
09:12:22amiconnHmm, no simple fix for that. Th elangv2 split merged too much here
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09:14:33GodEaterso today is D-Day for GSOC code ?
09:14:43PaulJamok, i thought it was just a mistake in the deutsch.lang file, because the english string for LANG_TIME is just "Time"
09:14:56amiconnHmm, maybe not
09:15:12B4gderGodEater: not quite, I think the real final d-day is aug 31
09:15:20GodEaterI thought that was pay day?
09:15:43B4gderI don't remember the exact wording, but it did allow for some extra time beyond today I think
09:15:55LloreanBecause of earlier delays?
09:15:56*GodEater is reading the GSOC "Important dates" faq
09:16:00peturcode has to be given today
09:16:05B4gderah ok
09:16:15*B4gder shuts up
09:16:25GodEaterso have we got working code for anything other than WMA ?
09:16:34peturwe have to evaluate the student on the work he has done until today (tonight)
09:17:02peturGodEater: MoB was being integrated and might make it a bit?
09:17:19linuxstb_GodEater: The USB code seems to be doing something (see yesterday's logs), but not usable yet.
09:17:33amiconnPaulJam: Fixed, thanks.
09:17:35GodEaterwell that's even better than I expected
09:18:41*linuxstb_ asks markun the SoC question...
09:19:16GodEaterso we're looking at 50% of our projects producing something useful at the very least, and possibly 75% if USB can be hammered into shape in time
09:19:27*GodEater would say that's not at all bad
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09:20:37peturcould have been better... if we get a chance next year things will be handled differently I think
09:21:03GodEaterI don't think we could realistically have expected much better in our first year
09:21:09GodEaterit's been a learning process
09:21:36GodEaterto be honest, I think we've done better management of this than I've seen in a lot of commercial projects
09:21:37amiconnGodEater: What's the other project that already produced something useful?
09:21:58amiconnThat's the only one afaics
09:21:59GodEaterthough the jury's out on whether it's "useful" or not ;)
09:22:15GodEateramiconn: well petur said MoB is due to be integrated ?
09:22:22GodEaterat least in part
09:22:26LloreanAFAIK, MoB is "done" (the code does everything it should), but it's not merged.
09:22:29linuxstb_But that's the difficult bit, which isn't done...
09:22:44amiconnAha, hmm
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09:23:13GodEaterI confess I have no idea how easy/difficult that last mile was going to be
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09:23:28amiconnWell, wma is in, and works (although not perfect yet). None of the other 3 projects have that
09:23:47linuxstb_GodEater: IMO it's always the same - the last 10% of the work takes 90% of the time...
09:23:55peturso, should we fail the other 3 students?
09:24:03LloreanWhere is the line?
09:24:28LloreanThe "functional" aspect of the code for my student is done, but it's not integrated yet.
09:24:55ddaltonis everyone happy with what I think about p6733. (It is the last comment)
09:25:04GodEaterwe didn't make integration an explicit part of the projects did we ?
09:25:24GodEateri.e. it was implied, but never spelled out ?
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09:31:30GodEaterclearly everyone is thinking very hard about that point...
09:32:05linuxstb_GodEater: IMO integration is pretty much a core requirement of a Rockbox project... I don't know what google's guidelines are, but I would hope that a project not being finished isn't an automatic failure. i.e. it should be more like "has the student done everything he could to try and finish it in the time available?"
09:33:02GodEaterlinuxstb: I agree on both counts
09:33:41linuxstb_Even WMA isn't finished, as there's no seeking.
09:34:00peturmentors get to decide if the project passed or failed, Google leaves all that to us
09:36:00GodEaterso are we passing everyone ?
09:36:39scorchei havent heard much of the TTS guy
09:36:44GodEateronly markun has
09:37:03scorchehe hasnt shared?
09:37:17GodEaterthere was a code dump uploaded somewhere a few weeks back
09:37:23GodEaterI never got round to trying it though
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09:37:49GodEaterI have no idea if it's moved anywhere since then either
09:38:10GodEaterbut I still have the dump if you're interested
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09:40:37*GodEater wonders if the forums server has actually melted down this time
09:41:00GodEaterand of course, as soon as I say that, they burst back into life...
09:41:27B4gderit was almost melted it seems ;-/
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09:43:12barrywardellpetur: did you see I managed to find the usb_send problem?
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09:43:29JdGordonwould anyone object to tring t parallelise the buildzip stuff? make install/zip is painfully slow now
09:43:29GodEatercrikey, 22 whole people in rockbox-community today!
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09:44:12linuxstb_Llorean: Did you lock the sansapatcher thread in the forums?
09:44:37LloreanThe original poster did.
09:44:44linuxstb_Hmm, OK then...
09:45:08linuxstb_Could he unlock it if he wanted to? i.e. if it was a mistake?
09:45:15LloreanHe deleted his account though
09:45:25LloreanSo, he can't really any more
09:45:29linuxstb_OK, I guess he gave up...
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09:46:45*GodEater wonders if his tolerance for idiots is at an all time low, or if people are genuinely getting more stupid in the forums...
09:47:15zei bet it happens that both those things come together
09:47:29zegenerally :p
09:47:36GodEaterpossibly so
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09:55:54peturbarrywardell: great - I'll have a look in the log... work is giving me a bit too much load here atm
09:56:43barrywardellok. long story short, is that it's all working fully now. it just needs a msc class driver
09:57:22peturdoes austriancoder know?
09:57:46barrywardellyes, he dropped by yesterday
09:58:53GodEaterusb ?
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09:59:57peturoh nice bug that was... congrats!
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10:00:46GodEaterso what was the issue then ?
10:01:41aliaskThe data was sending, but was accidentally being zero'd at boot
10:01:46aliaskSo it was sending 0's
10:01:49barrywardellthe descriptors were all ibss
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10:02:02barrywardellinfact, they don't need to be in iram at all
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10:02:34barrywardellonly buffer, dev_td and dev_qh need to be
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10:03:02markunGodEater, scorche: he asked google for an extension. I agreed to continue to mentor him in that case. We'll see how it goes.
10:03:15scorchethey give extensions?
10:03:31LinusNmarkun: does he have what it takes to complete it?
10:03:37scorcheand how is hiw work coming?
10:03:53markunLinusN: I'm not sure anymore
10:04:08LinusNmy suspicion as well
10:04:21scorchewhat is the status?
10:04:29markunbut he still wants to try to finish it and told me to give him a negative evaluation if he doesn't succeed
10:04:45LloreanI'm worried about having Nico_P's code submitted.
10:04:55GodEaterpourquoi ?
10:04:56markunhe has been very busy with work, moving houses and his PhD
10:05:03iepetur: were it you who added the great "Show filename exts" setting? Its name is not capitalized properly in english.lang IMHO. In other items, each word is capitalized (e.g. "Scroll Bar")
10:05:12LloreanLinusN: Well, I'm not sure he's available to submit it himself
10:05:17erifneer3jw, any way to see if anything interesting happened/going on w/ the summer of code stuff?
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10:05:30LinusNLlorean: oh?
10:05:39markunscorche: most of his time was spent on figuring out how to program for rockbox I think
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10:06:17LloreanLinusN: Yes, he told me the code itself is finished and working as intended, but needs to be merged. He suggested it wouldn't be too hard to merge, but that might not be done by pencils down, but he's away with limited access.
10:06:34peturie: I wonder if we have a rule for it... I'm not for this Capitalize Every Word You Write
10:06:47GodEaterhe doesn't need to merge to our svn though does he? Just to ?
10:07:42LinusNpetur: well, consistency is nice
10:08:04peturyes... If I missed that I'll change it (or somebody else can)
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10:09:27preglowpetur: how's usb going?
10:09:51peturpreglow: great, it seems. barrywardell found the tx issue
10:10:12peturaustriancoder is working on his mass storage driver now I figure
10:10:36preglowi'm really looking forward to not seeing rockbox reboot to disk mode anymore, heh
10:10:45GodEaterme too
10:10:45webguest45hi, it is normal procedure to open a new task in flyspray when fixing bug/implementing requested feature?
10:10:48*petur will have his H10 just in time to find out all is working...
10:11:00preglowit'll work on ipods too?
10:11:08peturshould, yes
10:11:26B4gderwebguest45: yes, submit patches in the patch tracker
10:11:27Lloreanwebguest45: If it's a simple bugfix, it can be attached as a comment sometimes, but in most cases it should be a new task, and then ask someone to add it as a related task
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10:11:54pixelmawebguest45: after you checked that there isn't a related patch/bug report
10:13:23JdGordonwhat is everyones opiinion on the patch for the custom spalsh image?
10:13:49JdGordonIt may as well be commited if its actually wanted...
10:15:05LloreanJdGordon: Is there any way to decrease the delay?
10:15:11pixelmain our wiki - there seems to be no way to differentiate OndioFM and OndioSP in PluginIndex, or do I miss something?
10:15:32LloreanI want it, but I'd like to know it's having the bare minimum impact on users not making use of it.
10:16:13JdGordonwell, he says there is now no delay
10:16:14preglowindeed, and the patch looks surprisingly big for what it does
10:16:38JdGordonI dont like how he added the context menu, but the rest I dont mind (too much)
10:16:46LloreanWell, it's similar to the "set as backdrop"
10:16:58LloreanYou have to be able to include it in themes somehow, unless you just have one hardcoded backdrop
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10:17:18preglowalso, LANG_SHOW_SPLASH should also have lcd_non-mono strings, afaik
10:17:43JdGordonit would work for mono displays als
10:17:50preglowthen ignroe it
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10:18:06preglowbut then again, i don't see a point in this patch anyway
10:18:16preglowi couldn't care less what my splash screen looks like, i never look at it
10:18:31preglowand whoever does must be really bored :P
10:18:37Lloreanpreglow: Someone wrote a utility that replaces the rockbox splash in the rockbox binary with a bitmap image of their choosing
10:18:53LloreanClearly there's at least a decent demand for that themeing option.
10:19:05preglowin the _binary_
10:19:10preglowso much for open source
10:19:14LloreanYeah, I know
10:19:50preglowoh well, i don't care, i won't use it anyway
10:20:29JdGordonthis is why i want to reject it... (again....) its bloody useless
10:20:40LloreanI don't really see it as useless.
10:20:46preglowpatch has tabs too
10:20:52Nick_Brackley... but it looks pretty
10:20:55LloreanI'd like to see a version of it that's a lot simpler.
10:21:04preglowit looks pretty at a point where i never look at my dap
10:21:06LloreanI liked the old one that loaded a specific hardcoded file.
10:21:13preglowi don't see me ever staring at the splash screen
10:21:23preglowLlorean: that makes it hard to be included in themes
10:21:32Lloreanpreglow: Yeah, I know.
10:21:37preglowthat's what i was wondering about about this one too, does it always load splash.bmp?
10:21:49Nick_Brackleyits good for an unofficial build but i dont really see the point on an official one
10:21:59preglowif it is to be commited, it should be commited in a way that allows splash bmps to be included in themes
10:22:07LinusNi agree
10:22:21LinusNthe splash should be part of the theme imho
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10:22:35preglowi don't think it should be commited, of course, but i don't really care either, so if people want it...
10:23:15LloreanI think if people are so desperate to have custom splashes, we could remove the Rockbox splash from being compiled in, and make it part of the default theme.
10:23:33preglowwon't this thing increase boot time?
10:23:40preglowsince it has to wait for disk to display splash and all
10:23:41GodEaterI don't see how it can't
10:23:48preglowif so: no way
10:23:51preglowthe default should always be fast
10:24:14preglowbut then again, this bastard has to wait for config to see if splash is needed anyway...
10:24:15JdGordonit would only search for hte file if one has been set in the config.cfg
10:24:20JdGordonwhich is not the default
10:24:52preglowoh well, i don't care as long as it doesn't increase boot time for people who don't want splash
10:25:00Lloreanpreglow: That's the important bit for me.
10:25:05LloreanI like the fact that Rockbox boots *fast*
10:25:11preglowbut if it does, i say we don't commit it. i would never want to increase boot time for something as unimportant as this
10:25:35GodEaternor me
10:25:54preglowLlorean: yeah, and if it is to boot slower, it should do so because of curing cancer or something, not loading a pic
10:26:17preglowbtw, is slasheri aware that diskcache glitches a bit these days?
10:26:21Lloreanpreglow: Exactly! We should build a folding@home client into it!
10:26:31preglowfixed point fah client, yeah :P
10:26:45JdGordonpreglow: its worse than that though.... the patch ADDS a delay just so it does nothing but display the bmp!
10:26:51B4gdersettings -> general > cure desease -> Cancer (yes/no)
10:26:53LloreanSadly, my PS3 is essentially a really expensive dedicated FAH client for the time being. =/
10:27:08GodEaterLlorean: mine too!
10:27:12JdGordonF@H is a conspiracy by the power companies
10:27:24*JdGordon not being sucked in...
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10:27:32GodEaterI've noticed the dircache glitch too
10:27:48B4gderyeah, the rc5 72bit compo is a lot better than FAH ;-)
10:28:01Nick_BrackleyJdGordon: care to elaborate?
10:28:03GodEaterat what? burning watts ?
10:28:33B4gderburning watts with no sensible goal in sight within a couple of lifetimes
10:28:48JdGordonNick_Brackley: your comp uses more power when its at 100%... so your paying for more power usage.... i.e more profits for the power companies
10:29:08Nick_BrackleyJdGordon: thought that was the case
10:29:13preglowB4gder: i wouldn't really call it a goal at all, haha
10:29:29Slasherion iriver and other flashed targets there is no way to display a custom flash unless it's compiled in rockbox (=flashed)
10:29:56B4gderactually, the rc5 72bit race at least shows that 72bit rc5 is pretty safe
10:30:10Slasheripreglow: what kind of glitches?
10:30:26GodEaterSlasheri: calls to it don't block till there's an answer, they return failure
10:30:30preglowSlasheri: it does an unnecessary foreground scan all the time when booting
10:30:43preglowSlasheri: that is, not _all_ the time, but lots of times
10:30:44peturB4gder: from brute force attack
10:30:44GodEaterooh - two different glitches!
10:30:57B4gderpetur: right, with current knowledge
10:31:02SlasheriGodEater: hmm, sounds bad
10:31:09Slasheriwell, i will try to investigate
10:31:24JdGordonSlasheri: also, if you get a chace, can you have a look at fs#7598?
10:31:37GodEaterSlasheri: simple test is to use the shortcuts plugin, add a directory to your list, and try and access it soon after boot
10:31:50SlasheriJdGordon: ok, i will put that to todo :) can't check now from work
10:31:51JdGordonjust to make sure its "safe"? its not really needed but its possible we will get a hotswap target witout a fash disk
10:31:54amiconnSlasheri: Is it really necessary that tagcache commit can cancel a shutdown?
10:32:00GodEaterI get a "no such file / directory" error (i.e. open() returns 0)
10:32:07GodEaterI try again in a few minutes, and then it works
10:32:23amiconnI'd rather think it should stop committing at whateever stage it is, and continue there at next boot
10:32:24Slasheriamiconn: well, shutdown during commit is not possible
10:32:41Slashericommit cannot be stopped easily
10:32:43amiconnWell, it is possible if you force it
10:32:52Slasherior that would make the code very complex
10:32:57amiconnThen it has to recommit at next boot anyway
10:33:07preglowSlasheri: it alsmost seems like shutting down from wps forces a foreground scan on next boot, that's the only pattern i can see
10:33:18Slasheriamiconn: then the db is corrupt if it tries to recommit
10:33:26amiconnIs it?
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10:33:34amiconnCommit can fail due to low bat....
10:33:40Slasheriamiconn: yes, if the commit only partially succeeded
10:33:50Slasheriwell.. i could make that failsafe quite easily..
10:33:57Slasherijust would need to copy files a bit
10:33:59amiconnDoesn't it start over as long as the tempfile is still there?
10:34:51Slasheriyes, only if commit has never been started or previous commit failed and db files are erased
10:35:26Slasheripreglow: interesting, will check that
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10:35:42amiconnCouldn't you just set a flag "commit in progress", which is reset at the end
10:36:12amiconnIf a shutdown happens inbetween, the flag wouldn't be reset and that would make the code recommit?
10:36:18Slasheriyep, in fact the db is marked dirty until commit is finished
10:36:40Slasheribut in this case the db is useless and user needs to re-initialize it
10:37:25Slasheriamiconn: it could be possible to gracefully stop the commit during those steps
10:37:30Slasheribut not inside a step
10:37:30preglowSlasheri: it's not consistent either :/ testing on h120, btw
10:37:40amiconnWhy is that? I would think that recommitting the same data should not change what's there?
10:37:42Slasheripreglow: hmm :/
10:38:00Slasheriamiconn: committing directly changes the main db files
10:38:04preglowi know some other people have seen this, but not on which platforms
10:38:21Slasheriunless we would duplicate those files and after a successful commit, remove old ones
10:38:26Slasherithat could be one solution
10:39:15Slasheriamiconn: and committing also rebuilds db index, resorts files and stuff like that
10:39:18JdGordoniusnt there a STR2P() macro?
10:40:49Slasheriamiconn: committing basically adds everything from a temp file to the db, no matter what already is in db
10:41:03Slasheribut now going to have some lunch ->
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10:42:11webguest45Can someone look at patches FS #7626 & FS #7627? Thanks
10:42:19*B4gder considers making the deltas in the table be the (bin + ram change)/2
10:42:39JdGordonram change?
10:42:57B4gdersee for a view on the ram diffs
10:43:10B4gderthey tend to follow the bin ones
10:43:26B4gderwhich makes sense for code change
10:44:13B4gderI'm looking for ways to show the deltas in one line but still account for both kinds
10:44:47aliaskWhen ld complains "error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.icode'", does that mean that the .lds doesn't contain the .icode section?
10:45:14LloreanB4gder: Shouldn't the sign be switched for RAM changes?
10:45:16B4gderaliask: yes, I would say so
10:45:38B4gderLlorean: it's rather "ram usage" so no
10:45:58B4gderhow large a chunk of ram that is statically occupied
10:46:02LloreanGotcha, okay
10:46:03B4gder(at least)
10:46:07amiconnSlasheri: How does it preserve user data then?
10:47:00*JdGordon going for dinner in case i get a yellow build
10:47:08JdGordon.... i mean, back soon if its yellow
10:47:38amiconnSlasheri: I understand that an interrupted commit leaves the db files in an inconsistent state. But I would expect that if the commit is then restarted from the beginning and finishes properly, all should be well again
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10:52:58aliaskGrrr. Ld is still complaining about "no memory region specified for loadable section `.icode', but it should definitely be in
10:53:10amiconnReagrding the loadable splash - it might not have a significant effect on boot time when loading rockbox from disk, but it will break when loading from flash. Hence it's a bad idea imo
10:54:45amiconnThe splash is there to show something *while* rockbox is loading, and delaying the splash would mean to defeat that purpose
10:57:26GodEateryeah, I think reject in that case
10:58:44SoapA - why will it break when loading from flash?
10:59:21SoapB - It isn't as if there isn't an easy way for someone to change it if compelled. Isn't there even a binary patcher floating around?
11:00:16scorcheoye...user list != job site
11:00:23amiconnIt would have to wait for the disk in oder to show the splash, which then defeats the purpose of the splash
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11:01:40amiconnpetur: Did you notice my peakmeter commit?
11:01:59*petur checks
11:02:18amiconnI'm not sure how to solve the resulting problem. Perhaps we could make the release work in units per second, but then we need to allow larger values
11:03:33linuxstb_aliask: You can double-check in apps/ (in your build directory) - that's the processed version of
11:04:21peturah... I wanted to ask you when I was doing that... I guess it never did a redraw within the same tick?
11:05:49aliasklinuxstb_: Yep, I found it, it was actually the, but thanks anyway
11:06:59amiconnpetur: Correct. Iirc it redraws every 5 ticks (or rather, tries to)
11:08:04amiconnSetting it to 1 now roughly equals 5 units per tick, but you cannot set it slower
11:09:17Slasheriamiconn: commit cannot be started from beginning because at that point commit has already done something, and it's not possible to know what
11:09:47Slasheriamiconn: user data is preserved if commit succeeds or if that data is exported
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11:11:52Slasheriamiconn: please check build_index() function in tagcache.c, that is the main thing commit does
11:11:59JdGordonamiconn: it wont break flash, but the patch actually adds a delay for the people who want to use it
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11:25:55linuxstb_Regarding the custom splash, if we wanted to hard-code the file, then the "set as splash screen" option (either in the UI or .cfg file) could simply copy the file to the hardcoded path. So hardcoding it shouldn't prevent the inclusion of splashes in themes.
11:26:19JdGordonB4gder: builds broken?
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11:29:34GodEaterlinuxstb: this will still introduce a delay on flashed targets though
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11:29:41amiconnlinuxstb: Splash from file makes *no* sense imo
11:30:40*amiconn wants JdGordon's paylist ;)
11:34:04LloreanRockbox could modify it's on-disk binary to include the new splash. :-P
11:34:47amiconnLlorean: There is no on-disk (used) binary when rockbox is running from flash
11:35:27LloreanIt was more or less a joke, I'm not sure I like the idea of modifying the binary anyway. But in-flash could always just have the custom splash disabled.
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11:36:37linuxstb_amiconn: Personally I agree, but it seems a popular feature amongst users. So IMO we should make a decision whether to implement it or not, and if so, agree on the method. If we agree not to add it, then put it in the NODO.
11:37:02*amiconn votes for NODO
11:37:16*Llorean abstains.
11:38:28peturif there is no workaround that can disable the whole thing then NODO.
11:38:30linuxstb_But should the fact that there will be an artificial delay on flashed targets prevent it being implemented on targets where Rockbox is loaded from disk?
11:38:46linuxstb_(or prevent the user choosing to have that delay)
11:40:34preglowdoes it lead to a delay when the option is disabled?
11:40:44preglowif it does so on any target, then nodo
11:40:56amiconnBecause just for checking the option, it needs to access the disk
11:40:58preglowboot time > fancy picture
11:41:46preglowthen definitely nodo, we shouldn't complicate startup more than needed
11:41:49ieHe-he. I like the idea of self modifying rockbox! We could even define a special section for the splash image so that will be guarded by the lds
11:41:57preglowespecially not for a screen i don't even watch...
11:41:59amiconnAnd what would be shown before loading the splash? On flashed targets, loading the splash can easily take 3 seconds (spinup), and then the splash might be shown for less than a second...
11:42:44preglowinstead make it a build option or something so it's easier to specify a builtin splash
11:42:50amiconnie: Self-modifying? How? It would need to change the flash. And on most archos targets, the in-flash copy is compressed....
11:43:10peturmaybe #ifdef it for flashed builds?
11:43:28amiconnFlashed builds aren't special
11:43:33linuxstb_preglow: That's what I was thinking - not making it a build option as such, but making the logo display code adapt to different sized logos better (via the pre-processor). So a user just needs to replace the .bmp, and not change any code.
11:43:48preglowthat would be nice
11:44:09ieamiconn: not for the flash of course. But if RB is loaded from disc, the user doesn't necessarily have to have the delay each time RB is booted.
11:44:13amiconnThe logo display does adapt to different logo sizes
11:44:30linuxstb_I thought there was a 10-pixel hard-coded offset?
11:44:45linuxstb_So you can't have a full-screen bitmap...
11:44:51amiconnHmm, maybe I confuse it with the usb screen
11:45:15LloreanYeah, there's a 10 pixel offset
11:45:22linuxstb_And there's always that binary patching application for people who don't want to compile themselves...
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11:46:14ielinuxstb: couldn't we make a plugin out of that?
11:46:26linuxstb_Who is "we" ? ;)
11:46:41linuxstb_Of course, someone could.
11:46:53ielinuxstb: not me :-) I meant "you" :-)))
11:47:11*GodEater suspects the answer is "no" in that case
11:47:21linuxstb_ie: No.
11:47:42*GodEater awards himself a point for being right
11:49:31GodEaterit would make more sense for someone to do it as a plugin mind you - then it would be platform independent
11:51:37LloreanGodEater: Or just add the existing program's functionality to RBUtil
11:51:40ieHe-he. Just as a joke: It should be possible to make a plugin that would modify the RB binary and write the settings values at their respective offsets. Then we could dispose all the settings mgmt code and treat settings as consts in the core! :-)
11:51:51LloreanThen when you extract a new build with RBUtil, it can 'patch' the binary.
11:52:00*linuxstb_ wonders if we could just append the bootsplash bmp to the end of the binary...
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11:53:06LloreanThe problem right now is that it's a raw image, already converted, isn't it?
11:53:07GodEaterLlorean: that's a neat idea too
11:53:15*daurnimator chants "do it"
11:53:56LloreanGodEater: I really shouldn't come up with neat ideas I'm not willing to implement
11:54:17GodEateris the source for logoswapper available? Or is it only a binary ?
11:55:16preglowlinuxstb_: ugh...
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11:55:48linuxstb_preglow: Yes, I should accept there's no clean solution...
11:55:58GodEaterhmm - no - doesn't appear to be
11:56:10GodEaterthat would make putting it into RBUtil more of a pain
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11:57:46preglowat least we shouldn't go for solutions that aren't clean
11:59:31*GodEater laughs at Llorean's post in the misticriver thread
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12:06:45preglowlemme know if you want ipod testers
12:08:03linuxstb_petur: I know it's not functional, but is the USB code anywhere near being ready to be committed to SVN?
12:08:43barrywardellpetur: I have a slightly newer patch for when you get back
12:12:17preglowi hope ac gets his ums driver working soon
12:12:34preglowi'm itching to see rockbox deal with its own disk mode :>
12:14:44*aliask too
12:20:08barrywardellaliask: any luck with getting it to work with the gigabeat?
12:20:40aliaskI just synced the main gigabeat s branch with the changes from the trunk since it was merged, so hopefully the patch will apply now.
12:21:05aliaskYou mentioned you had a slightly updated patch, do you mind posting it?
12:21:42pixelmaon Archos, wav files got the wrong icon again (the wavView one) though they are correctly launched with wavPlay - could it be related to your plugin category changes, JdGordon?
12:22:24barrywardellaliask: It might only make things worse for you. I tried using the codec iram for the usb data structures
12:23:04aliaskbarrywardell: Ok, I'll stick with the old patch.
12:23:12preglowwho did the icatcher theme again?
12:23:31linuxstb_barrywardell: Are there problems with IRAM availability?
12:23:44linuxstb_(i.e. the usb code needs too much?)
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12:23:51pixelmapreglow: Genre9mp3
12:23:53preglowwe need a wma icon now :/
12:24:03preglowlinuxstb_: how much does the usb code need? ://
12:24:14linuxstb_preglow: That's what I'm asking...
12:24:31barrywardelllinuxstb_: yes
12:24:33linuxstb_But it seems that the data needs to be in IRAM or it won't work.
12:24:44preglowdata i would expect have to be in iram, yes
12:24:47barrywardellwe need 4kb, aligned to 4k boundary
12:24:48preglowbut i can't believe there'd be too much of it
12:24:57pixelmapreglow: there are other codec icons missing and not enough slots - that's why I didn't bother (same applies to other svn wps too)
12:25:11preglowpixelma: slots? why is that a problem?
12:25:20preglowpixelma: what other codec icons, btw? i can't see any
12:25:27linuxstb_The 52 limit on numbers of images
12:25:31preglowoh, yeah, spc, for example
12:25:43preglowwell, that sounds nasty
12:25:50pixelmapreglow: they all got the "unknown" icon
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12:25:57_jzhello !
12:26:07barrywardellaliask:"> in case you want to try it
12:26:09preglowseems a bit of a waste to have three icons for mp1/mp2/mp3, why don't we just call all of them MPEG or something?
12:26:16_jzwould there be a way that the "comment" field of the ID3 be displayed multiline ?
12:26:28_jzI got more and more mixes where this field contains a tracklisting
12:26:33_jzwith carriage returns
12:26:36linuxstb_preglow: That's not really a solution... (personally I like mp2 being different to mp3)
12:26:54preglowwasn't inteded as a solution to anything, it just seems like overkill
12:26:55_jzan on one list it scrolls but doesn't even go to the end (and takes so much time that the screens goes off whatever happens :)
12:27:04pixelmaand you'll hit the limit later again
12:27:06GodEater_jz: not really - the rockbox playing screen is line based
12:27:12pixelma(probably) ;)
12:27:13barrywardellpreglow, linuxstb_: buffer, dev_td and dev_qh need to be in iram for things to work
12:27:29_jzi mean in the "ID3 infos" of the contextual menu
12:28:18JdGordonpixelma: no, sounds unrelated... but ill have a quikc look for you
12:28:22GodEater_jz: that's more of a possibility - but someone would have to code it...
12:28:23JdGordoni tinhk its the viewers.config file
12:28:54pixelmaJdGordon: thanks :)
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12:29:13_jzGodEater: don't look at me that way, i ain't no coder ! ;)
12:29:28GodEater_jz: lots of people start off not being a coder
12:29:37JdGordonpixelma: which icon does it get?
12:29:39JdGordonhey daurnimator
12:30:09pixelmathe wavview one as mentioned
12:30:16JdGordoninstead of?
12:30:32_jzyeah true
12:30:43_jzmost coders weren't coders before they became coders anyway :)
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12:31:51pixelmaJdGordon: that other note as here
12:32:41JdGordonis .wav an inbuilt type?
12:32:45JdGordonon hwcodec
12:33:28pixelmano, you can only play it with the wavplay viewer atm
12:33:30JdGordonyeah, its not... Ill change it t the audio icon
12:35:21linuxstb__jz: Your mixes don't have the option of a cuefile?
12:35:42pixelmaJdGordon: thanks again - I just wondered, I though there was a similar fix already once
12:36:20_jzlinuxstb: no they don't
12:36:36_jzlinuxstb: they're plain mp3 attached to RSS feeds via so-called "podcasts"
12:36:41pixelmaJdGordon: hmm... is that the same as mp3 would get now?
12:36:51_jzlinuxstb: it's a good thing already those guys do tracklisting ! :)
12:37:01_jzlinuxstb: but it's not exploitable at all using rockbox :/
12:37:03peturhmmm isn't the H10 UMS?
12:37:31pixelmaafaik there are different models
12:37:42pixelmasome UMS, some MTP
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12:38:01peturit's a H10 5GB but no text on the case
12:38:15peturso it's 'supposed to be an H10'
12:38:23pixelma ;)
12:38:35JdGordonpixelma: yea, shold use the mp3 icon
12:38:49barrywardellpetur: it's possible to make any H10 into UMS if necessary
12:38:56pixelmaJdGordon: they were slightly different before...
12:39:00JdGordonthey were?
12:39:04pixelma(a different icon)
12:39:25peturmust be the MTP as the battery is removable
12:39:39JdGordonso which do you want it t use? just modify the first occurance of wav in viewers.config....
12:39:49preglowwhat do you need to do to run other code on a gigabeat s?
12:40:29aliaskpreglow: Windows xp, and a hacked version of the gigabeat V update software
12:40:53barrywardellpetur: the battery is removable on both MTP and UMS. the only difference is in the firmware
12:41:04markunaliask: wow, that sucks :(
12:41:12aliaskTell me about it D:
12:42:35preglowdo you see any way around that?
12:43:30GodEaterpreglow: have you managed to get your hands on one then ? I'm still hunting ...
12:43:45aliaskThe firmware files are just sitting on the hard disk if you remove the hdd from the gigabeat and mount it in either an external box, or an ipod video, but I'm not sure if they are flashed if they are replaced
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12:44:04pixelmaJdGordon: I meant the one that's right above the wavview one (the wave form) in the viewers bmp
12:44:09preglowGodEater: nope
12:44:15preglowGodEater: still hunting? are they hard to find?
12:44:46preglowhow annoying
12:44:50GodEaterevery site I've seen which even says they sell them says "Out of stock" when you get there
12:44:56GodEaterand I've not found any on ebay either
12:45:06aliaskReally? There are always at least a couple selling on ebay in australia
12:45:21GodEaterI'll have a look there then
12:45:23JdGordonpixelma: you wanted the one under the mushroom one?
12:45:42*GodEater has been searching ebay uk and usa
12:45:46*pondlife too
12:45:47pixelmaJdGordon: no
12:46:23aliaskWow, none on either... it's a conspiracy
12:46:26GodEaterunless I'm using the wrong search criteria, there's no there eitehr
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12:46:59*GodEater tries
12:47:17*pondlife enjoys Nico_P's diff comments on;h=8642aa889d0c06e806aa23cb403d36f183867fdc
12:47:33pixelmathe 1/16th notes (IIRC) and if you look closely at the link I gave you earlier you can see the differences for the .mp3 and the .wav file icons
12:47:58JdGordonpixelma: the 4th icon from the bottom?
12:48:26JdGordonoh ok
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12:51:34B4gderthe people's front?
12:51:57*pondlife was too slow typing "back after this message"
12:52:03*linuxstb_ restrains himself from going there
12:52:32pixelmaJdGordon: hmm... I'm sorry but you "fixed" it for a different app, I meant wavplay - but I think I could do it myself now...
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12:53:16*JdGordon really confused :p
12:53:56pixelmanot sure but I also think it could also be the correct move for wav2wv - is that used on irivers?
12:54:39amiconnpetur: The small H10 always has removable battery. Doesn't tell anything about it being ums or mtp
12:55:05*amiconn should read further before commenting
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13:01:52karashataum, who do I need to ask here for write permissions to the wiki pages?
13:02:19GodEaterpretty much anyone ;)
13:02:20B4gderyou must bow in the general developer direction and then it works by magic!
13:02:25GodEaterwhats you're wiki name ?
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13:03:24GodEaterkarashata: done
13:03:37karashatathank you, muchly appreciated
13:03:38B4gderby the general developers who appreciated the bow
13:04:06GodEatersurely if we're "generals" then it should be a salute, not a bow ?
13:04:41B4gderI only did 10 months in the army and it was a long tim ago... :-)
13:04:48karashata*chuckles and gives a half-hearted salute before heading back to the wiki pages*
13:04:51*GodEater had more sense than to do any ;)
13:05:12B4gderback in my days you couldn't opt out...
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13:13:53aliaskAnyone familiar with the usb enable code in usb-fw-pp502x.c? Or is this just copied from what the apple firmware does?
13:14:35amiconnaliask: Does the gbs have software usb?
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13:20:53barrywardellaliask: a bit. it causes a reboot into bootloader usb
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13:21:14pixelmaJdGordon: sorry for all the confusion. :)
13:21:24JdGordonno worries
13:21:53aliaskamiconn: Yep
13:22:44aliaskBe back in a second: current.txt and what my irc client is saying are not agreeing.
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13:23:39aliaskbarrywardell: I was more interested in what all the inl and oul were doing
13:23:57aliaskSo that I could try to replicate it.
13:24:27karashatahmm, editing wiki pages isn't quite as easy as I thought, but, I got it done
13:24:56karashatathere's now one more theme available for H10 20GB and iAudio X5 up
13:25:12barrywardellaliask: that's pp specific stuff. as a first attempt, I think you could just remove it
13:26:45aliaskAnd because of the lack of interrupts, I can't add usb_int to the tick tasks, so can I just stick it in a while(1) loop in the bootloader? Will this cause it to simply wait for a connection?
13:27:05barrywardellyeah, a while loop will be fine
13:27:40barrywardellthat's how e200tool works
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13:28:19GodEaterkarashata: I just tidied up your title on the X5 theme page so it doesn't try to turn it into a link
13:29:00marsjannnoHi all! Is there any way to use nike+ stuff with ipod nano with rockbox?
13:29:21amiconnaliask: No interrupts?
13:29:41GodEatermarsjannno: not currently no
13:29:58aliaskamiconn: It could be simply a product of doing everything in the bootloader, but neither me nor ptw419 have figured out how to enable them
13:30:19karashataGodEater: Thanks. Any suggestions how to fix the not-working hdd and hold icons?
13:30:43GodEaterkarashata: I'm no expert with WPS authoring I'm afraid
13:30:52GodEateryou're better off posting that question in the WPS section of the forums
13:31:04karashatamm, thanks, I'll keep that in mind then
13:31:22karashatain the mean time I'll poke about with what I've got and see if I can't make something work
13:31:29GodEaterthe guys in there will probably answer quite quick
13:31:34amiconnaliask: Well, you probably won't get far without getting interrupts to work
13:32:02amiconnThe bootloader is another thing. You might want to keep interrupts disabled if you are going to allow dual boot
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13:34:22k-man__so how do i install rockbox on a new ipod?
13:34:22JdGordonyou read the manual
13:34:30pixelmakarashata: tried what happens if you define an empty "else"-part, like "%?mh<%xdH|> . Though I thought I read it shouldn't be necessary, maybe that's worth a try?
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13:36:03GodEaterwoo - only 72 people left!
13:36:36B4gderchannel cleanup week!
13:36:40pixelmalast week I was in the minor part of a netsplit - only 15 left :D
13:36:43GodEaterit's going well so far!
13:37:15scorcheB4gder: shall we op up and take care of the rest of the bunch? >=)
13:37:32GodEaternuke 'em till they glow!
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13:38:26k-man__can you install rockbox on a mac formatted ipod?
13:38:39pixelmaGodEater_: who would be first now? ;)
13:38:41GodEaterk-man__: no - but there are instructions in the wiki on how to convert to a winpod
13:38:47scorcheafter you reformat it according to our instructions, yes
13:38:50GodEaterpixelma: not for me to say ;)
13:38:53k-man__GodEater, ah, ok
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13:40:08GodEaterk-man__: this is assuming of course you're using a supported ipod
13:40:21k-man__80gig ipod
13:40:31k-man__its a 5th gen
13:40:37GodEaterk-man__: you're good to go then
13:41:39k-man__i don't have any music on the ipod yet
13:41:46k-man__i might as well do the apple reformat
13:42:00k-man__rather than fiddling around with dd and the like
13:42:17GodEateryep - "the easy way" is called that for a reason ;)
13:42:31k-man__oh, those instructions are a mac.. if you don't have access to a pc
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13:44:43webguest69has anyone managed to decrypt the unofficial sansa firmware? (1.03.07P or 1.03.01H)
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13:45:51B4gderwebguest69: I guess you're saying that a recent mi4code doesn't do that?
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13:49:08Crash91well there havent been any updates to it from feb AFAIK
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13:49:22B4gderupdates to what?
13:49:31Crash91Version 0.9.33-beta, uploaded February 23 2007
13:49:42k-man__are there screenshots of rockbox somewhere?
13:50:04B4gderCrash91: right, but normally they use the same key so it wouldn't have to be updated
13:50:05Crash91 ?
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13:50:33Crash91yeah...i tried doing this on the 1.03.07P firmware i got from the Lodist forum
13:50:35B4gderCrash91: any chance you can extract the BL and scan for the key?
13:50:43greek_guyhi everyone! could someone be kind and tell me till what ipod is rockbox supports?
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13:50:50scorchek-man__: rockbox is themable, so its looks can change drastically from theme to theme
13:50:55B4gdergreek_guy: check the front page
13:50:58scorche(although the wording in menus wont)
13:51:04k-man__scorche, ah, ok
13:51:14Crash91B4dger:uhm....i dont think so, but i can link you to the downlaod
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13:51:22k-man__just trying to get an idea what it will be like to use compared to the ipod
13:51:30B4gderCrash91: we can start with that!
13:51:44Crash91ok, im not much of a programmer lol
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13:52:22B4gderCrash91: you
13:52:29greek_guyb4gder , i checked it already im just a little bit confused.. is that supporting the latest ipod video?
13:52:29B4gder're not using linux by any chance?
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13:52:38B4gdergreek_guy: yes
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13:54:13Crash91server split or something?!
13:54:57scorcheCrash91: search wikipedia for "netsplit"
13:55:20Crash91too lazy
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13:56:03aliaskAll this netsplitting is getting annoying.
13:56:04amiconnDoes the Sansa OF offer anything that rockbox doesn't?
13:56:08Crash91B4dger: Ping?
13:56:25*amiconn wonders why people want to upgrade OF when they're using rockbox
13:56:35B4gdermi4code decr firmware.mi4 firmware.bin 1d29ddc0 2579c2cd ce339e1a 75465dfe
13:56:44B4gderworks like a charm
13:56:52Crash91amiconn: Instant on
13:57:02B4gderamiconn: usb
13:57:06Crash91like sleep mode
13:57:10Crash91and that too
13:57:22amiconnI severely doubnt that OF suspend will work with rockbox
13:57:24B4gderbut I certainly don't upgrade my Sansa's OF
13:57:30Crash91Longer battery time....i use OF when i need to conserver battery
13:57:30amiconnRockbox shuts down the hw
13:57:33B4gdertotally pointless imo
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13:58:06Crash91well, ive been hearing rumors about it..... just wanted to check it out
13:58:21Crash91rockbox lets you do that without the hassle of restarting multiple times.....
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13:58:55k-man_how hard is it to reformat the ipod back to ipod only software if i decide its not for me?
13:59:01Crash91and anyway my sansa has 12.15A....something like that... i think the latest is 12.18
13:59:22Crash91k-man_: that would be unlikely :p
13:59:35k-man_yes... but in the unlikely event....
13:59:42dionoeak-man_: it's easy. You use the apple tool to restore it AFAIK.
13:59:49Shaidyou run the apple restore tool
13:59:59Shaidit's easy, but you lose the music on it, obviously
14:00:12amiconnIt's easier, without losing any music
14:00:32amiconnJust use ipodpatcher to remove the bootlader, and delete the .rockbox folder
14:00:49B4gderCrash91: ok, I added the new key to mi4code.c
14:01:29Crash91i dont have a flyspray account...but i have a few bugs for it....anyone willing to report?
14:02:14B4gderCrash91: get an account and file them yourself, it's still the best since/if we want feedback and or have questions etc etc
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14:02:41Crash91ok, ok lol
14:03:01Crash91can you confirm one for me?
14:03:02amiconnlinuxstb: Btw, the occasional low-bat warning from the apple loader when rockbox is installed is actually a bug in the apple loader, not something we're doing wrong
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14:03:31amiconnRockbox just makes it more likely to appear, because it always shuts down the hardware+
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14:03:54amiconnIt only happens on cold boot, not when waking up (the OF) from suspend
14:05:21Crash91k-man_: If you would like to go back to using the original Ipod software, connect the player to your computer, and follow the instructions to install the bootloader, but when prompted by ipodpatcher, enter ā€™uā€™ for uninstall, instead of ā€™iā€™ for install.
14:05:31dashavooHi, I was just wondering if any work was being done on supporting nano 2nd gen at all? The website has said for a while that it isn't supported, but doesn't mention whether or not an effort is being made to support it
14:05:34amiconnIt's just that the loader checks the voltage too early, so if the power button bounces a lot, it gets a too low reading
14:05:44B4gderdashavoo: there's nobody working on it
14:05:46k-man_Crash91, ah, ok
14:05:50dashavooB4gder, k, thanks
14:05:57B4gderdashavoo: but it's also a very tricky problem to work on
14:06:21dashavoohmm.. what exactly causes the problem for supporting it? is it the encryption?
14:06:40amiconnYes, and it's totally different hardware from all other ipods
14:06:43B4gderthere's nothing plain text, all we can get is encrypted
14:07:01Crash91cya guys
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14:08:03B4gderthat 1.03.07 sansa firmware seems... really not something to use
14:10:36B4gderbtw mi4code is sooo cool
14:10:48B4gdertook me 3 seconds to get that new key
14:11:23B4gderI find it very amusing that they bother to change it
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14:12:32dionoeamaybe their release script just generates a new key every time. So they don't do it on purpose to bother you.
14:12:35peturMrH for president :)
14:14:31linuxstb_Maybe it's a way to ensure the bootloader and main firmware binaries are in sync?
14:14:53B4gderdionoea: they don't change it every time
14:15:02B4gderyeah, it could be a sync thing
14:15:17dionoearha, i lose :)
14:15:20B4gderand in fact, I think it is also done to prevent downgrading
14:15:34B4gderor perhaps that'st just a side-effect
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14:19:56JdGordonB4gder: are the .maps for the svn builds avilable?
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14:20:06Skellingtonumm ive got a bit of a problem
14:20:35Skellingtoni was trying to dualboot my ipod.
14:21:01Skellingtonbut i already had rockbox on it and i removed the rockbox folder.
14:21:10Skellingtonand now my ipods sorta frozen.
14:21:15Skellingtonwell i cant turn it off.
14:21:18linuxstb_What does it say on the screen?
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14:23:07Skellingtonrockbox boot loader version 1.1 ipod versio:0x00050014 toshiba mk2006gal partition 1: 0x0b 19030 mb loading rockbox error! cant load rockbox.ipod:file not found hold menu+select to reboot then select+play for disk mode
14:23:21Skellingtoni did what it told me and only the first one works
14:23:25Skellingtondisk mode dosent
14:23:39linuxstb_You need to press and hold select+play immediately after your ipod reboots.
14:23:43linuxstb_It _will_ work.
14:24:24Skellingtonahh thank you
14:25:59Skellingtonok now i have another question. how do i make my ipod dualboot.
14:26:12Skellingtoni was reading a guide but i keep getting an error
14:26:23peturread the manual?
14:27:36linuxstb_Skillington: The normal Rockbox installation will be dual-boot. To start the Apple firmware, turn the hold switch on as you boot (before the backlight comes on).
14:28:04linuxstb_(as petur said, this is in the manual)
14:28:19Skellingtonbut i read in this guide, theres a way to get a menu where you choose your ipods os.
14:28:47linuxstb_Yes, the software that does that (the ipodlinux loader2) isn't written by us, so we can't help you use it.
14:29:03Skellingtonahh i understand.
14:29:38Skellingtonwell thanks anyway. i was begining to panic a little.
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14:54:39parafinhow can i reset theme?
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14:56:38aliaskHow can I check the usb status on my (linux) computer?
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14:57:37dionoeaaliask: like list the connected devices ?
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14:58:27aliaskWell, it won't show up as a device, but I want to see what is transferred (for the USB stack stuff)
14:58:56dionoeaah, i don't know then. lsusb lists the devices connected
14:59:25B4gderyou probably need to rebuild the kernel with usb debug enabled
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14:59:36GodEateraliask: I would have thought dmesg would probably show at least something too
14:59:49B4gderthere's a usbmon thing too that might work/be enabled
14:59:50GodEatereven if it's only "unknown device"
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15:00:46aliaskHrm, nothing from dmesg or lsusb.
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15:03:56GodEaterhmm - never used usbmon
15:04:40aliaskbarrywardell: What have you been using to verify what's being sent to your PC?
15:04:59barrywardelli'm using a mac
15:05:14barrywardelland have a debug version of the usb stack installed, along with usb prober
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15:05:30barrywardellit gives me lots of debug info
15:06:23barrywardellon linux dmesg should give something. austriancoder posted what he got
15:06:47aliaskYes, I suspect nothing is happening - no response on player at all (though i'm not sure what I expect)
15:06:50GodEateryeah, I'm surprised you're not seeing *anything* from dmesg
15:07:39barrywardellis dr_controlle_run() getting called? that's necessary before you see anything
15:07:47aliaskAll the warnings in the build are normal I assume.
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15:11:02parafinah, found
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15:12:10barrywardellaliask: do you have a patch I can see?
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15:13:40pondlife"the word 'must' was used without attaching a patch" :)
15:13:59JdGordonno lieky?
15:14:44aliaskbarrywardell: Want me to make one for you from the gigabeat s branch?
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15:15:49rasherJdGordon: Why did you close FS #6907? Looks like a perfectly legitimate feature request to me
15:16:23JdGordon_for the reason pondlife quoted...
15:16:29JdGordon_also it wont work so well...
15:16:37JdGordon_it will be a pretty big hack to work
15:16:44rasherA comment by another user is grounds to close a feature request?
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15:17:10*JdGordon may have been is a pissy mood when closing that
15:17:11rasherlast I looked, most feature requests didnt' include a patch
15:17:29JdGordon... but he said definatly must!!!!!
15:18:14pondlifeIt's still a valid FR IMHO.
15:18:26barrywardellaliask: if it's not any trouble, yes please
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15:18:39barrywardellto see if I can spot anything
15:19:48rasherJdGordon: I don't see how it will inherently be a "pretty big hack". I don't think feature requests are required to fit in nicely with the way things are done right now.
15:20:02JdGordonwell.. yes and no
15:20:33pondlifeIt's a UI feature, needs support in the list code for multi-selects, then some work in the browser to use it.
15:20:46*GodEater tends to agree with rasher here.
15:20:52JdGordon.. reopened
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15:21:04JdGordonI know how it _could_ be implemented, but yeah, it wont be nice
15:21:22GodEateroooh oooh oooh
15:21:41pondlifeIt's always possible to find a nice way to implement something... even if it involves getting Nico_P to rewrite it from scratch.
15:21:42*GodEater wants to respond to the Nintendo DS New Port thread with "Hahahahaha - no".
15:21:49JdGordonhaha pondlife
15:21:55amiconnbarrywardell: You could also check out the gbs branch into a separate working copy
15:21:59GodEaterpondlife: is he your bitch or something now ?
15:22:04pondlifeIf only
15:22:13pondlifeBut I'm liking his work
15:22:25JdGordonhow far has he got with playback?
15:22:28pondlifeAnyway, I just hope JdGordon can resist the urte to hack
15:22:31barrywardellamiconn: but does that include the new usb stuff?
15:22:33pondlifeurge, even
15:22:52JdGordondont you mean, give in, so that request can be done?
15:22:53pondlifeJdGordon: Not sure, have just downloaded his latest git
15:23:22pondlifeJdGordon: I mean, leave it on the tracker, then implement if you want to, but not by a nasty hack :)
15:23:59GodEaterpondlife: which git? His MoB only one, or his "complete Rockbox tree" one ?
15:24:15pondlifeHmm, "mob" seems to contain an entire Rockbox...
15:24:23GodEaterthat's the new then
15:24:45pondlifeI'm not sure if it's the right one yet, will attempt to compile shortly.
15:25:20barrywardellaliask: try adding dr_controller_run(); after usb_init() in bootloader/gigabeat-s.c
15:25:51pondlifeI don't know git, but I'd assume it's possible for him to diff against current SVN and produce patches fairly easily..
15:25:59GodEaterthat's a doddle
15:26:01GodEaterI do it
15:26:11JdGordonwell... I guess the worst part of the multi select is having an array to hold which are selected... there are a few different ways that can be done, and all are bad
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15:26:24GodEaterbut last time I looked his MoB git tree had no rockbox code in it practically
15:26:35pondlifeWell, that one contains the lot
15:27:05GodEaterI think you're looking at the wrong one
15:27:08GodEaterI just pulled his MoB one
15:27:12GodEaterand there's still not much in it
15:27:26pondlifeWhich URL are you using?
15:27:40pondlifeThe one I have refuses to compile :)
15:27:42JdGordon.... then there's the problem of showing the selections...
15:27:53pondlifeJdGordon: Cursor bar?
15:27:55JdGordonand lastly, onplay.c assumes 1 file selected...
15:28:25rasherJdGordon: and all of those problem are solvable, surely. This is SCIENCE afterall.
15:28:27JdGordonbut you need to distinguise between selections and the current selection
15:28:57JdGordonrasher: of course, im just saying why it wont happen
15:28:57pondlifeWell, onplay would certainly need work. But I'd like to see the context code moved out of a central place (into the various UIs themselves, if that makes any sense)..
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15:29:39pondlifeGodEater: Do you have an http:// link for that?
15:30:27GodEaterthough that's for checking out
15:30:29rasherJdGordon: I don't see how it's much different than introducing a "currently selected items" and making the appropriate places aware of it
15:30:33GodEateryou probably want :
15:31:02pondlifeIs it mob or master I want?
15:31:11GodEaterjust master
15:31:16pondlifeAh, I went for mob
15:31:18JdGordonrasher: well yes, but there is more to it than that
15:31:33pondlifemob is more up-to-date than master apparently.
15:31:48GodEaterI don't see a mob branch
15:31:50*GodEater is confused
15:32:08JdGordon_if_ i got a definate ok to commit it, i would maybe have a go after some asignments are done
15:32:35pondlifeAs long as the single-selection UI is unchanged, and no nasty hacks are involved, it should be fine.
15:32:49pondlifeBinary size is the only other downside, of course.
15:32:54GodEaterpondlife: that's completely empty
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15:33:04GodEaterpondlife: you're STILL in the wrong repo!!!!
15:33:29pondlifeGodEater: I'm looking at the repo with the last commit "Adapt audio_loadcodec() and add..."
15:34:02GodEaterso that's not his MoB only tree then
15:34:08pondlifeNo idea
15:34:16GodEaterlook carefully at the URLs I gave you
15:34:22GodEaterthey don't end "Rockbox.git"
15:34:29GodEaterthey end "Rockbox-MoB.git"
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15:35:06barrywardellaliask: any difference when you add dr_controller_run(); after usb_init()?
15:35:17aliaskbarrywardell: Still nothing. I think I'm going to have to stop testing though, I don't have access to the other computer as I'd have to wake others in the house
15:36:04aliaskI'll continue with testing tomorrow morning though, get logf to actually display something, etc
15:36:16*pondlife is confuddled now
15:38:12GodEaterpondlife: I think you're in the right repo - his MoB only one doesn't have anything newer than his complete Rockbox one
15:38:21GodEaterpondlife: so don't worry about it
15:38:21GodEaterthough in that case you DO need his mob branch
15:38:33pondlifeThat's the one I'm looking at.
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15:38:52*GodEater is still cloning the complete Rockbox tree
15:39:01pondlifebuffering.c doesn't compile though
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15:39:52GodEaterfix it
15:40:19pondlifeI have
15:40:29pondlifetype, should be h->type on line 365
15:40:54pondlifeplayback.c is giving hundreds of errors still though!
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15:42:29linuxstb_pondlife: I remember Nico_P saying that his code didn't even compile - i.e. that he was just starting to integrate it.
15:42:43pondlifeThat would make sense!
15:43:57goffawell... i'm in over my head.. hopefully someone can fix this... i'd like to see it committed
15:45:44linuxstb_goffa: What are you trying to do? Implement jdgordon's comments?
15:52:30amiconnlinuxstb: Did you see my comments regarding the occasional low-bat warnings from the apple loader
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15:59:03linuxstb_amiconn: Yes. I never used to get those errors on my ipod color, but when I ugraded the Apple firmware (after using it for about a year), the new version does quite often give me that problem.
15:59:28linuxstb_Or at least, it seems that way...
15:59:30*preglow is rid of hese low bat warnings since upgrading
15:59:49*GodEater has seen one only once, and then it was probably because of an actual low battery....
16:00:01linuxstb_Maybe I should try upgrading again...
16:00:33linuxstb_The gigabeat-F OF bootloader has the same issue - I very often get a low battery warning the first time I turn it on, and it works fine on the second attempt.
16:00:46GodEaternever seen that either
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16:01:26linuxstb_GodEater: I'm sure other people have reported the same Gigabeat problem as me..
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16:02:55*linuxstb_ wishes for either an insane person, or someone with a JTAG to start work on ipod flashing
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16:03:20B4gderwe need more insane people
16:03:35*preglow summons flasheri
16:03:48amiconnlinuxstb: We need to figure out *tons* more pp inits before thinking about that
16:03:56linuxstb_amiconn: I know..
16:05:54*GodEater didn't even know the ipods came with a jtag interface ;)
16:06:41preglowi think some ipl guy connected one
16:07:15preglowanyway, i'm not too familiar with jtag, do you need any additional info to use the interface once you've got it hooked up?=
16:07:37barrywardellI tried it on my H10 before using OpenOCD
16:07:47preglowafaik, bagder has two sansas with jtag interfaces which might help in understanding the pp chip
16:07:58barrywardellit recognised it, but OpenOCD kept crashing
16:11:09B4gderthat's the one I have
16:16:36preglowit's a shame someone's not using it for re
16:16:53B4gderI agree
16:17:35preglowbut do you know how functional the jtag interface is not knowing much about the pp chip?
16:17:44preglowi don't really know how much info you can glean from it using jtag
16:20:03amiconnWell, iiuc you could watch the OF doing stuff
16:20:23amiconnThat should be easier than wading thorugh disassemblies
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16:20:32amiconn...and more precise than using the emulator
16:22:55preglowlike i'm saying, since the sansa is a pp device too, it's a waste that someone is not using it for re
16:23:10preglowassuming jtag is friendly enough to work on devices which we know little about
16:23:19preglowi only used jtag once, and i can barely remember even that :>
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16:25:12barrywardellpreglow: I had limited success with jtag on my H10 (PP). It could detect the two arm cores
16:25:34barrywardellbut then the software crashed. Do you know of any better software than OpenOCD
16:26:11linuxstb_barrywardell: Did you ever manage to talk to the IPL person working with JTAG? I forget who it was now though...
16:26:42barrywardellno, I asked about him
16:27:01barrywardellbut apparently he wasn't around any more
16:28:47linuxstb_Not many IPL people seem to be around any more if their SVN activity is anything to go by ;(
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16:29:35barrywardellI think it was davidc
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16:30:02barrywardell hasn't been updated in over a year
16:32:22markunlinuxstb_: I also have this low battery problem with my gigabeat
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16:34:50fxbdavidc is busy
16:35:00fxbwe don't have ssh access to the server anymore
16:35:08fxbwe're trying to move to a new server
16:36:42preglowwhat a desirable situation
16:37:21fxband regarding svn activity... svn is broken... because sys-techs moved the server and they somehow forgot or deleted stuff, dunno
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16:49:08linuxstb_fxb: Do you have a new server lined up or are you at the stage of looking for one?
16:49:17goffalinuxstb_: yes... implement the comments
16:49:35goffaof course i've got no clue
16:50:33goffasorry for the delayed response.. had to go to work
16:50:37fxblinuxstb_: more looking for one. BleuLlama asked some people at RIT i think.
16:53:18mexicankillerHi,still inactive the progress for the sansa R?
16:53:21linuxstb_fxb: OK. I just wanted to ask in case someone reading this could help...
16:57:45linuxstb_goffa: Regarding your wish to see it committed, I can't remember too many devs being in favour of the click-to-insert patch (although the first discussions about it was a long time ago, so I may be misremembering...)
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17:06:48goffalinuxstb_: i don't think they were.. but i can't remember the reasoning
17:07:01goffaas the patch does not affect anything by default
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17:07:17linuxstb_goffa: Ah, option bloat? ;)
17:07:26goffacould be
17:07:39goffaalthough... i never understood that
17:07:53goffahaving too many options?
17:08:26linuxstb_goffa: Personally I never really use playlists, so click-to-insert isn't something I would want. But I can see why it would be very useful if you do.
17:09:06goffawell... i use one playlist containing every file on the system
17:09:11goffaand randomize
17:09:27goffaif i want to listent to an album .. i turn random off
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17:09:52goffawith click insert i don't spend as much time reloading my list
17:09:57goffaunless i screw up :)
17:10:32goffabut at least click insert fixes 90% of my screwups
17:11:42goffathe other 10 would be covered by queue and play.. but as far as i know that does not exist (that one would help me with a passenger that is unfamilair with rockbox)
17:11:51goffabut thats a side issue
17:12:19DefineByteanyone here want to quickly explain to me how the target tree works? xD oh how i wish i knew c better
17:13:00goffaDefineByte: i hear you on the c comment
17:13:22goffai wouldn't be begging for features if i knew c :)
17:13:42DefineByteit's not so much c really. i'm just not used to such a sprawling source tree >.<
17:14:51DefineBytei need to change some logic in backlight.c to something target specific. how to move that to the target tree... i have no idea :*(
17:15:55goffaah.. i think you need to gain commit access from a dev
17:16:06goffaor submit the code to a dev for approval
17:16:06linuxstb_DefineByte: It's simply organising the device-specific code into a directory hierarchy of the form target/$cpu/$manufacturer/$model/. As well as .c files, you have .h files with names like backlight-target.h, and the Rockbox build system sets the include directory path to include the target-specific directories so the correct .h files are picked up. .c files are specified in firmware/SOURCES
17:18:03DefineByteso i can use target/arm/ipod/backlight-nano_video.c to change something in backlight.c?
17:18:06linuxstb_DefineByte: I think you would need to write a function (in each of the target-specific backlight-*.c files within the target-tree directories) and then call that function from backlight.c
17:18:39linuxstb_What exactly are you wanting to do?
17:18:56DefineByteso i have to add device specific code to backligt.c? i thought i was supposed to avoid that. :X
17:19:14linuxstb_No, the opposite.
17:19:40DefineBytelaff really? xD
17:20:12markunto opposite of adding, not the opposite of avoiding..
17:20:18DefineBytei need to change backlight_isr(void)
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17:20:42linuxstb_In backlight.c you would add a call to your new function - i.e. "my_backlight_function();" - and this function would have target-dependent implementations within the backlight-*.c files (e.g. backlight-nano_video.c) in target-tree.
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17:21:41DefineBytei'm coming over all dense
17:22:31DefineBytei just need to change (for now)
17:22:31DefineByteif (bl_dim_current == bl_dim_target)
17:22:31DefineByte idle = true;
17:22:42DefineBytehmm ignore that
17:22:49DefineBytethat wasn't meant to be posted xD
17:23:09DefineBytei need to change
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17:23:17DefineByteignore that too
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17:24:55linuxstb_DefineByte: If I was you, I would just implement it in backlight.c for now (using #ifdefs for target-specific things), and then think about moving it to target tree later. It may turn out that your changes would be acceptable in backlight.c anyway (the rule is not unbreakable)
17:25:19linuxstb_DefineByte: It's also easier for others to advise when we can see the actual changes you're intending to make.
17:25:23DefineBytethat's done already
17:25:30DefineBytei'm trying to move it >.>
17:25:42linuxstb_Do you have a patch?
17:26:13DefineByteit's not mine. i'm trying to move the ipod brightness patch
17:26:54DefineByteit uses some deprecated target detection so i thought i'd move it
17:27:08DefineBytefamous last words
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17:28:11linuxstb_Has anyone done any power consumption tests with that patch? e.g. a runtime test with SVN Rockbox with the backlight constantly enabled, and a test with that patch with the brightness reduced, but backlight still on forever?
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17:29:13DefineBytenot that i know of
17:29:36DefineByteit doesn't seem noticeable less
17:29:58linuxstb_DefineByte: Ah, I remember your problem now. The CONFIG_BACKLIGHT define was removed because all the target-specific code was in target-tree?
17:30:29DefineByteso now i need to move it
17:31:04linuxstb_Maybe add something like a new HAVE_BACKLIGHT_SOFTWARE_BRIGHTNESS define, which you can add to the config-*.h files for the targets this is enabled for.
17:31:29polygonalhi, can any flyspray admin add "related task" for FS7626 and FS7627. One is a bug-fix, the other implements a feature request. They are also related. The relationships are explained in the details
17:31:35DefineBytethat's a thought...
17:31:40linuxstb_That would at least get the patch working. Or just test for devices with something like #ifdef IPOD_VIDEO
17:32:13DefineBytei tried adding
17:32:13DefineByted to the config-*.h files for the targets this is enabled for.
17:32:13DefineByte [16:31] polygonal: hi, can any flyspray admin add "related task" for FS7626 and FS7627. One is a bug-fix, the other implements a feature request. They are also related. The relationships are explained in the details
17:32:13DBUGEnqueued KICK DefineByte
17:32:13DefineByte [16:31] DefineByte: that's a thought...
17:32:13DefineByte [16:31] linuxstb_: That would at least get the patch working. Or just test for devices with something like #ifdef IPOD_VIDEO
17:32:24DefineByteand settings_lang errored
17:32:54DefineBytesorry, that should be settings_list
17:33:31DefineBytelang_brightness is undeclared it says.
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17:34:29DefineBytesomething else has probably been changed since april so that fixing the target detection breaks something else :<
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17:34:53{Core}Frazzcan someone give me a link to uninstlling rockbox on iaudio m5?
17:34:59{Core}Frazzcant find it on website
17:35:16DefineBytetry in the forum
17:35:22GodEatertry in the manual
17:35:32GodEaterall manuals feature un-install instructions
17:36:06DefineByteheh i never needed them so didn't know. my bad
17:36:07{Core}Frazzif i uninstal will the manufacturer accept my warranty?
17:36:42GodEatersearch me, I'm not the manufacturer
17:36:55DefineBytethey shouldn't be able to tell (if they care)
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17:37:42webguest05whats new 5.5g bring?
17:38:02dionoeathe .5 ?
17:38:24DefineBytei fear if i succesfully moving the code to the target tree i'll just get the same error as im getting at the moment
17:38:46DefineBytesettings_list.c:570: error: 'LANG_BRIGHTNESS' undeclared here (not in a function)
17:38:46DefineBytesettings_list.c:570: warning: missing initializer
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17:38:56pixelmaDefineByte: probably has to do with the langV2 patch - there is a feature called "backlight_brightness" to include the lang strings only for targets that have it; made dependent on HAVE_BACKLIGHT_BRIGHTNESS in the "features.txt" - that macro would have to be defined for the respective target if you implement that new IIUC
17:39:48polygonalcan any flyspray admin add "related task" for FS7626 and FS7627? Sorry to repeat it
17:40:31DefineByteoh really? thanks. i'll check it out
17:41:30pixelmaDefineByte: (that was very short - maybe it's better to look at english.lang and the features.txt)
17:41:31GodEaterpolygonal: done
17:42:05DefineByteokay, will do
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17:48:06DefineBytelang_brightness is set to *: none.
17:48:06DefineByteShouldn't that mean it works for all targets? not really sure how it works.
17:49:05rasherThat means that the string isn't included on any targets (except if mentioned below that)
17:49:46rasherI assume there's a backlight_brightness: "something here" right below that?
17:50:05linuxstb_I've wondered about that syntax - wouldn't logic suggest that the first matching pattern is used? (or is that just my logic...?)
17:51:39DefineByteit's the obly source there. where's the code for it for the h300? maybe i could work out how that works (or not)
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17:52:37rasherlinuxstb_: that would make excluding a string on all but a few targets difficult
17:54:22DefineBytethere's a backlight_brightness: "Brightness"
17:54:34DefineBytebut as for how to use it...
17:54:35linuxstb_rasher: Why? I'm just suggesting that the *: line belongs last, assuming the other lines are pattern-matched in order.
17:54:41linuxstb_DefineByte: See apps/features.txt
17:54:47pixelmaDefineByte: the h300 has HAVE_BACKLIGHT_BRIGHTNESS defined in the config-h300.h
17:55:15DefineByteand the patch im working on adds it to config_ipodvideo
17:56:27DefineByteso in features.txt is #if defined(HAVE_BACKLIGHT_BRIGHTNESS)
17:57:24DefineBytei guess that's relevant somehow O_O
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17:58:49DefineByteso is there a plan to document all this stuff at some point xD
17:59:12linuxstb_DefineByte: Do you see a LANG_BRIGHTNESS in the lang.h file created in your build directory?
17:59:31linuxstb_DefineByte: Nice idea, you could write a wiki page. ;)
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18:00:11DefineByteno there isn't
18:00:37DefineByteand i've never even coded in c before so im probably not the best choice ^^
18:02:15linuxstb_DefineByte: Try doing a "make clean", and then "make" again.
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18:03:05DefineByteit say "no rule to make target clean"
18:03:21DefineByteis that a cygwin prob?
18:03:45DefineByteor am i forgeting to define a path somewhere?
18:03:46preglowmoonshine on the river, moonshine in my hand!
18:04:43linuxstb_DefineByte: Are you in your build directory?
18:05:12{Core}Frazzdo you think rockbox will be made for iaudio D2 or iriver clix?
18:05:43linuxstb_{Core}Frazz: The answer is always the same - yes, if interested users come along and do it.
18:06:16{Core}Frazzi am interested, but i have no idea about rockbox :p
18:06:30linuxstb_Do you have any idea about programming?
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18:06:44{Core}Frazzjust a music fan
18:07:11{Core}Frazzhowever.... i do know a few programmers
18:07:29Terinjokes{Core}Frazz: same here...
18:07:38DefineByteit's cleaned now. i guess i'll try building again
18:07:39linuxstb_{Core}Frazz: You could point them here -
18:07:56{Core}Frazzi'll mention it to them
18:08:07{Core}Frazzdon't know how interested they'll be though
18:08:22linuxstb_Do they own an iaudio D2 or clix?
18:08:52linuxstb_That's a good start...
18:09:14{Core}Frazzwell one of them is my brother
18:09:20{Core}Frazzand i own a d2
18:09:36DefineByteget craking then
18:09:47{Core}Frazzi'll ask him
18:10:50DefineBytedoes dual core speed up the build process at all?
18:11:14rasherDefineByte: use make -j 2
18:11:18rasherInstead of simply make
18:11:38TerinjokesDefineByte: the build process is pretty fast anyways
18:11:38DefineByteoh i don't have it. i was just wondering :)
18:11:43DefineBytethanks anyway
18:12:19Terinjokeseven on my 1.33GHz PPC G4, takes less than 30 seconds
18:12:25ThundercloudI actually doubt Rockbox can be made for either of those platforms without some heavy work
18:12:44ThundercloudThe clix perhaps, but the D2 would require either retarding down the touchscreen interface immensely
18:12:48ThundercloudOr engineering a whole new control system.
18:13:14Thundercloudafaik there are no rockbox targets which actually use a touchscreen.
18:13:23{Core}Frazzi am just wondering whether a d2 would actually benefit that much from RB
18:13:38DefineBytetouchscreen's are a bad idea anyway. how are blind users supposed to use them?
18:13:38ThundercloudThere's only one problem with the D2
18:13:44ThundercloudWhich I can probably overcome once I get mine.
18:13:48ThundercloudAnd that's playlisting.
18:13:58linuxstb_{Core}Frazz: That's easy to answer - are there any Rockbox features you want to use?
18:14:02ThundercloudDefineByte: Bionic eyes :)
18:14:26linuxstb_{Core}Frazz: And the opposite - will you miss any features of the original firmware that Rockbox doesn't implement?
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18:14:31DefineBytewell, that or grow new ones with stem cells
18:14:31{Core}Frazzwell d2 has almost all RB features anyway
18:14:40Thundercloudand also I disagree, touchscreens are a great idea
18:14:43ThundercloudAs long as you're not blind.
18:14:47ThundercloudAnd they're fairly robust.
18:15:17DefineBytehow's tactile feedback on a touchscreen? xD
18:15:36Terinjokes(it's good to see at least one software that's blind people friendly, even if I don't use thse features myself)
18:15:39ThundercloudDefineByte: It's great :)
18:15:43ThundercloudSo smoooooooooooth
18:15:56ThundercloudAnyway, tactile feedback isn't the be-all and end-all of things :)
18:16:05ThundercloudI'm getting a D2 in the next week or two, my first proper touchscreen device
18:16:08ThundercloudSo i'll make a judgement based on that.
18:16:08Terinjokes(of course, I want to see Rockbox on the iPhone...)
18:16:49DefineBytehell why not port rockbox to in-car media players too.
18:16:56ThundercloudAt the rate I go through mp3 players i'll be getting a new one in an another year as well.
18:17:23ThundercloudI got my first DAP about four years ago.
18:17:23DefineBytei like to look after mine (yes, i'm skint xD)
18:17:35ThundercloudDefineByte: It's not just manhandling, i'm fairly good with them.
18:17:42ThundercloudHere's my lineup thus far:
18:18:02TerinjokesThundercloud: he, i'ms till using my first mp3 player, a used iPod Nano..... can barely read the screen at this point... all i mainly do is play all songs on shuffle/repeat
18:18:03{Core}Frazzi got a flash mp3 5 years ago....
18:18:16Thundercloudfirst DAP: Creative muvo 128mb. Lasted: a year and a bit. Reason for dismissal: I gots moneys and wanted something better.
18:18:32Thundercloudsecond DAP: iRiver H320. Lasted: A year. Reason for dismissal: The damn HD broke.
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18:18:59DefineBytei wish i river still made decent daps. :*(
18:19:03Thundercloudthird DAP: iAudio X5. Lasted: Well technically it's still going but I stopped using it after a year and a half. Reason for dismissal: Decided to go down the flash route. Besides, the battery had been reduced to a pile of failure.
18:19:04{Core}Frazzi always wanted H320 but they stopped making them just as i was going to buy, so i got iaudio M5
18:19:41Thundercloudfourth DAP: Samsung Z5. Lasted: Eight months. Reason for dismissal: The controls stopped working. Just shipped it back to the seller the other day, waiting for the refund.
18:19:41polygonalWould adding a new menu "Reshuffle current playlisg" to "Playlists" in main menu considered cluttering the UI?
18:19:49Thundercloudand so, fifth DAP: iAudio D2? :)
18:19:57DefineBytewhy does no-one make a DAP with s/pdif any more? such a shame
18:20:19{Core}Frazzso thundercloud u never used warranty?
18:20:26Thundercloud{Core}Frazz: Yes.
18:20:26DefineBytehmm, a sansa tempts me at the mo
18:20:32ThundercloudH320 I got a full refund for.
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18:20:37ThundercloudUnder the warrant.
18:20:38Thunderclouds/ warranty.
18:20:44ThundercloudAnd i'm getting a full refund for the Z5.
18:21:28{Core}Frazzthe big problem with m5 is that the joystick keeps breaking
18:21:29DefineByteyay it built! this is when i remember i forgot to apply the patch. xD
18:21:37{Core}Frazzand i have to send it to kora for repair
18:22:04ThundercloudIf anything goes on my players I generally just get a refund.
18:22:06TerinjokesDefineByte: I've never, ever managed to get Rockbox built with a patch...
18:22:19{Core}Frazzi cant get refund
18:22:22ThundercloudI'm just kind of lucky that the Z5 has been replaced by the K3. It means I don't get a repair, just a refund :)
18:22:26{Core}Frazzthey only let me repair
18:22:47polygonalCurrently the rockbox menu system for playlists is quite inconsistent and cluttered
18:22:50{Core}Frazzeven though m5s aren't made anymore
18:22:51DefineByteLANG_BRIGHTNESS is in lang.h mow so i guess all is well
18:22:57DefineBytei'll try it later
18:23:17ThundercloudSee from my experiences with the SE k750i I knew that exposed joysticks can mess up BIG time.
18:23:24ThundercloudSo I bought a case for my X5 to hide it.
18:23:37{Core}Frazzi should have bought a case
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18:23:56DefineByteha. my k750 is still going strong
18:24:28ThundercloudDefineByte: I kept it in the same pocket as my keys
18:24:30ThundercloudBIG MISTAKE
18:24:31DefineByteit's over two years old. i like it too much to replace it
18:24:46ThundercloudI didn't repeat the same mistake with my k800i
18:24:46TerinjokesDefineByte: my iPod is 2+ years old too :P
18:24:54ThundercloudWhich is 11 months old now and still going strong.
18:25:03ThundercloudWhich is good because I still have another 7 months to go.
18:25:22DefineBytei bought a case for my k750 to avoide key accidents :D
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18:26:12ThundercloudBut still
18:26:16TerinjokesThundercloud: i have a carabiner with my keys attached to my belt loop... never put keys in my pockets anymore...
18:26:19pixelmathat talk is drifting off-topic... *points to the topic*
18:26:46ThundercloudFailure for having to adhere to topic
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18:26:59ThundercloudHow about that Rockbox?
18:27:04Terinjokespixelma: i don't see a topic
18:27:17DefineBytewell if people can ask about rockbox on the about rockbox on the k750i?
18:27:19Terinjokespixelma: it just tells me to go somewhere else if i'm offtopic...
18:27:40ThundercloudRockbox on any phones at the moment is instant fail
18:27:59markunThundercloud: why's that?
18:28:01ThundercloudUnless there's a fork of it to bring Telephony and camera utilities to the forefront.
18:28:21markunyes, it wouldn't be much of a phone :)
18:29:05Terinjokesmarkun: just combine rockbox+openmoko :P
18:29:28DefineByte[;us the k750 makes a rubbish DAP.
18:29:42DefineBytesq is woefull
18:30:16markunTerinjokes: I already talked to one of the openmoko devs. He didn't like the idea much :)
18:30:17amiconnIt would surely be possible to add phone support to rockbox if such a port happens, but imho that's a moot point. I would think the telephony stuff is too well protected to be hackable
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18:30:42DefineBytethanks linuxstb for the make clean tip. it worked a charm
18:30:51amiconnAnd a telephone is neither a camera nor a dap. That can't work out nicely
18:31:07Terinjokesmarkun: well, openmoko could provide the telephony tools, and rockbox could do a software-port, to run on openmoko
18:31:11markunamiconn: the openmoko phone's have a separate phone part and you communicate with good old AT commands
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18:31:38markunTerinjokes: someone could do that anyway
18:31:53markunit's not the first time people ask for a stand along rockbox app
18:31:55rasherThundercloud: running rockbox as the music-playing part of my phone would be very nice.
18:32:16rasherAs a full software-replacement, not so much
18:32:27Terinjokesmarkun: i'm still waiting for a decent mac-support on rockbox :P
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18:32:52markunTerinjokes: mac-support?
18:32:59Terinjokes(that, and rockbox keeps crashing my DirecTV box)
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18:33:42Terinjokesmarkun: yer Finder makes lots of fake files, so I have to run disk cleanup before i can update the database (so I can have auto-updating database...)
18:33:59Terinjokesso I can't* have auto-updating database
18:34:11DefineBytei'm off to test the patch on my iPod now. see you guys and thanks again to all who helped (and tried to help :D)
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18:34:31{Core}Frazzmy joystick is broken in the worst way! when i push it down , it goes up so i cant reduce volume
18:34:35Terinjokeswhat was DefineByte's patch?
18:34:37markunTerinjokes: those files also anoy me, can you put a robox.txt file on the player to disable it?
18:35:02CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
18:35:02*amiconn hates it when auctions end somewhere mid-weekend :(
18:35:03Terinjokesmarkun: what is this... Googlebot?
18:35:08webguest56Not seen austriancoder today, the last day of GSoC? Maybe he is trying to get the stack state in the last minute?
18:35:22pondlifeThere's a lot of misinformation on the Rockbox user mailing list.. :/
18:35:37preglowwebguest56: i think he is, yes
18:35:55Terinjokesmarkun: so i'm not the only one who hates those "<untitled>" things in database?
18:36:00preglowhe just only recently got the transmit bugs figured out
18:36:18markunTerinjokes: I hate it when program start to fill my DAP with useless files
18:36:20webguest56preglow: Yes, I saw that.. Very exciting times!
18:36:47preglowwebguest56: i agree, looking forward to seeing the fruits of his work very much
18:37:02Terinjokesmarkun: yer... i wonder if i can somone can write a patch to run diskcleanup before updating the database
18:37:44Terinjokesmarkun: and they aren't useless, i think finder has a reason for it..
18:37:57rasherTerinjokes: check apps/main.c and look for AUTOROCK
18:38:14Terinjokesrasher: how will that help me?
18:38:50rasherTerinjokes: it lets you run a specific plugin at boot
18:39:03Terinjokesrasher: but i can't compile rockbox
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18:39:46rasherI wonder how much space it'd take to enable that feature by default
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18:42:40amiconnrasher: It extends boot time as well
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18:43:47rasherOnly (noticeably) if rockbox is in ram, I assume?
18:44:02rasherSince the disk will already be spinning otherwise
18:44:02Terinjokesrasher: i see that, but I don't have any way of compiling rockbox (i see to uncomment the define)
18:44:39rasherTerinjokes: There's nothing stopping you from setting up a compiler
18:45:02Terinjokesrasher: there is... the lack of compatibility with this platform
18:45:16rasherTerinjokes: Which platform is that?
18:46:07Terinjokesrasher: OSX on PPC... last time I tried, it completely screwed up the system :P
18:46:12Terinjokesi had reinstall
18:46:26rasherThen you did it very, very wrong. There should be no real problems.
18:46:30amiconnrasher: Btw, just enabling autorock isn't enough for using disktidy as autorock. Disktidy would also need to be modified to clean with no user interaction
18:46:58rasheramiconn: ah, it sounded to me as if it did that already somehow
18:47:10Terinjokesrasher: i used the shell script that was in SVN
18:47:17Terinjokesamiconn: yer, i was thinking about that
18:47:36amiconndisktidy presents a menu where you can select whether to clean up windows, mac, or both types of clutter
18:48:04amiconnChanging that shouldn't be too difficult though
18:48:13Terinjokesamiconn: not any longer
18:48:14rasherTerinjokes: I don't see how that script (assuming you're talking about has any potential to "screw up the system", and if it does, it's a bug and you should certainly report it. Why haven't you?
18:48:28Terinjokesamiconn: it now says "Start Cleaning" or "Show Cleaned Files"
18:48:48Terinjokesrasher: i believe at the time i did
18:49:04Terinjokes(and yer... it was
18:49:24pixelmabarrywardell works with MacOS, I believe - and linuxstb occasionally too, IIRC
18:49:48amiconnpondlife: You wanted to hear about problems with voice?
18:49:51rasherI've also seen a few os x related chagnes to
18:49:59linuxstb_Yes, I've run without issues on my ibook.
18:50:02amiconnI experienced some, although not due to the langv2 move
18:50:22Terinjokeslinuxstb: going to try it again
18:51:18Terinjokeshrm, manual or automatic?
18:51:36linuxstb_manual or automatic what?
18:51:43Terinjokescross compiler
18:52:20*amiconn still prefers the maunal instructions to build crosscompilers over using
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18:53:29pondlifeamiconn: I meant new problems reallly.
18:53:59pondlifeMore trying to reduce the misinformation coming across - stuff like "builds after 6th August don't work with voice"
18:54:04Terinjokesi forgot what client i used for SVN on OSX in the past
18:54:30preglowamiconn: aren't they the same?
18:54:33amiconnpondlife: Data aborts and prefetch aborts with voice enabled. And that can't be a dualcore issue as it happens on PP5002 (where we only use one core yet)
18:54:41linuxstb_Terinjokes: I've installed "fink" on my Mac - very handy for getting lots of Unix-like utilities installed.
18:54:53pondlifeamiconn: Not new problems though?
18:55:07amiconnpreglow: Not entirely. With the manual method, I can decide what version(s) to use, and where to install the crosscompiler(s)
18:55:12Terinjokeslinuxstb_: i used to do packages for fink, although I'm not happy with the /opt/ directeries
18:55:31preglowamiconn: so you can with
18:56:00amiconnpondlife: Don't know really, since I didn't use voice much on PP502x so far, tried it on PP5002 only after the langv2 move
18:56:49amiconnBut it might be an old problem since voice sometimes causes freezes on coldfire, which might in fact be due to the same cause
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18:57:06pondlifeamiconn: There was that problem where the "add voice to splash" patch attempted to speak before initialisation had taken place, but it would be good if you could try older builds to see when that was introduced.
18:57:16pondlifeI use voice on H300 all the time and it's not freezing here..
18:58:05amiconnpondlife: It's not a "speak before init problem". I experienced 2 data aborts and one prefetch abort while browsing on 2nd gen (first 2 times with music playing, 3rd time without)
18:58:08Terinjokeslinuxstb_: geez, Fink won't install
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18:58:35amiconnThe coldfire freezes are rare, but they happen. Observed both on H1x0 (nasty, paper clip needed) and M5
18:59:04pondlifeThe occasional paper-clip freeze happens on H300, but voice isn't needed to make that happen.
18:59:05linuxstb_Terinjokes: I can't help you there - I installed it so long ago I've forgotten it's there...
18:59:09amiconnThe data aborts are of course arm specific (misalgned pointers - something that coldfire tolerates)
18:59:19Terinjokeslinuxstb_: no... "Permissions Problem"
18:59:37amiconnBut the one prefetch abort showed an address of 0xc0000004, which is outside of any memory area
18:59:57amiconnAnd trying to access non-existing memory areas on coldfire causes a bus hang
19:00:30amiconnThat's why I think they might be related
19:00:45pondlifeVery likely, but not necessarily voice-related?
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19:01:28pondlifeI'm not convinced that SWCODEC is that stable in general... just that the freezes happen quite rarely.
19:01:44Terinjokesswitching to Administator :P
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19:01:49pondlifeSo people live with them, or (more likely) can't repro to investigate.
19:02:07FedDoes any one know how to use Samba?
19:02:28amiconnI don't remember any cf freezes during several months where voice wasn't enabled
19:02:29Fedwith Vmware
19:02:38preglowamiconn: i've had a couple
19:02:57preglowone of them is the early usb insert bug
19:03:07pondlifeamiconn: Hmm, maybe I've been lucky. Very rare freezes, with or without voice (and no USB involved).
19:03:15pondlifeMaybe once a month.
19:04:00amiconnTry to browse with voice enabled, .talk clips present and music playing
19:04:11amiconnShouldn't take long to get a freeze this way
19:04:36pondlifeOK, but that sounds very much like my usage pattern
19:04:49pondlifeI crossfade everything too :)
19:05:13amiconnNo crossfade here of course
19:05:15pondlifeamicon: Ah, which codecs do you use? All mp3? I am.
19:05:23amiconn99.5% mp3
19:05:23pondlifeamiconn: ^
19:05:50pondlifeSo not related to playback codec swapping (i.e. voice using mp3, music not using mp3)
19:05:54amiconnHmm, not true for the H1x0 though. There is have a significant percentage of flac files
19:06:16amiconnBut the data aborts/prefetch abort on 2nd gen was all mp3
19:06:17pondlifeI am exclusively using MP3 (aside from a few test files).
19:06:49amiconnI am exclusively using mp3 for all my own stuff on devices with are <60GB and/or can't play flac
19:07:07amiconnAdditionally, I have 2 albums in ogg vorbis format
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19:08:13Terinjokessure enough, switched to the hidden "Administrator" account, and it installed fine...
19:08:40amiconnThe data aborts on 2nd gen usually seem to happen in pcmbuf.c
19:08:40pondlifeI'm always sceptical about PortalPlayer "playback failure" reports, probably unfairly so..
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19:10:00pondlifeI know it's much improved these days, but if there may be fundamental issues, I'm not able to get too involved.
19:10:46amiconnWith voice disabled, it plays for days without a single crash, but with voice enabled, I can make it crash within minutes when browsing
19:11:19pondlifeIs it better or worse if you disable .talk clips?
19:12:00amiconnWill try. Although, .talk clips are my main voice usage....
19:12:21pondlifeMaybe see if spelling crashes as much.
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19:12:45*amiconn doesn't like spelling
19:12:51amiconnIt's soooo slow
19:13:04pondlifeYes, but as an experiment.. :)
19:13:27pondlifeUse numbers if you prefer
19:13:33*pondlife finds them useless
19:13:44amiconnI use numbers for files and .talk clips for folders
19:13:59pondlifeAh, you don't use database, do you?
19:14:09amiconnThe numbers itself are pretty useless, but I enable them because rockbox then also reads the file type
19:14:33amiconn...which is necessary to start playback blindly if 'file view' is set to 'supported'
19:14:51amiconnI don't want to play a .jpg by accident...
19:15:26amiconnI only use the database for occasioal checking of my tags (dupes, typos)
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19:16:41amiconnHmm, it seems indeed to be related to .talk clips
19:17:01pondlifeWow, *that* reproducible?
19:17:03amiconnI couldn't make it crash with heavy menu/file tree browsing with .talk clips disabled
19:17:15amiconnThen I enabled them, and made it crash within less than a minute
19:17:27amiconnData abort at 0x00286ec
19:18:17amiconnIt looks like it happens if voice has to mix .talk clips with normal voice clips
19:20:00amiconnThat's in pcmbuf_flush_fillpos() this time
19:20:30pixelmafwiw, it's a while ago that I experienced freezes on M5 with voice enabled (way before langV2) - there was one evening where I got 3 or 4 maybe almost in a row, that was while only browsing the filetree with voice enabled but without playback
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19:21:26pixelmadon't remember about the .talk clips setting but I don't have prepared clips anyways
19:21:55{Core}Frazzwhat language does rockbox use?
19:22:19pixelma(usually I let it spell)
19:22:31Domonoky{Core}Frazz : c and asembler
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19:37:52srf21cIs defragging the flash drive on an Ipod nano a good idea? Or does it just burn precious flash write cycles?
19:37:59pondlifeamiconn: .talk clips must be data aligned, right?
19:38:39amiconnmp3 is a bit stream, so I wouldn't expect that they need to be aligned
19:38:45amiconnBut I'm no libmad expert...
19:39:19amiconnAnd it doesn't seem to be a static issue, 'cause that would make it crash in 75% of all cases
19:39:38amiconnI tried to make it crash again, with no luck far
19:39:55pixelmathe mpegplayer failure is also related to .talk clips - could these two things have something in common?
19:40:16pondlifepixelma: I thought the mpegplayer would crash with spelt files too?
19:40:28pondlifempegplayer corruption I mean, not crash
19:40:40amiconnThat's a different thing doom also suffered from
19:41:03amiconnThe plugin claims iram while core voice is still talking -> iram clash
19:42:03pondlifeHmm, so it just needs to do a voice_stop()?
19:42:11pixelmapondlife: I just checked again, and elephantsdream plays correctly with .talk clips disabled but filename and directories set to spell...
19:42:18pondlifeOK, my mistake
19:42:34pondlifeIs there not some central routine to claim IRAM?
19:42:35amiconnAnd another crash, less than a minute after reboot
19:42:46amiconnData abort at 0x0010c092
19:42:55pondlifeWith .talk clips enabled again?
19:43:48amiconnRebooted, resumed, started browsing menus and then the file tree
19:44:12srf21cdoh, just found the answer to my own question. looks like it's pointless to defrag flash memory since there is not single read/write head.
19:44:13amiconnThat address is within the audio buffer - very suspicious
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19:44:39amiconnIt tries to execute the thumbnail?
19:44:51amiconnThe address is the PC when the crash happens
19:45:18amiconnAlmost looks like a dangling (or overwrite-prone) function pointer
19:45:52pixelmafun thing, it also plays correctly after I enabled .talk clips again (as I said I don't have .talk clips but I saw the glitch before too here)
19:46:20pondlifep_thumbnail is allocated from the start of the audio buffer, at a "random" later point in time... not at startup.
19:46:29pondlifeWhich of course moves audiobuf up.
19:46:49pondlifepixelma: If it was IRAM usage then spelling would break it too, no?
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19:47:27pixelmaas I said atm I don't see a problem at all
19:47:56pondlifeamiconn: Do you use dircache?
19:48:07amiconnOn the 2nd gen yes
19:48:19amiconnOn iriver too, but not on iaudio
19:48:25pondlifeDoes this crash go away without dircache?
19:49:09amiconnDunno, needs testing
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19:50:43pondlifeI'm wondering if the problem is in the .talk clip directory checking, as normal voice uses much the same code as .talk clips.
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19:54:07amiconnHmm, it might have to do with dircache, but that's not sure yet
19:54:55amiconnTried making it crash without dircache without success. Then enabled dircache, rebooted (dircache did a foreground scan), then started playback and went browsing
19:55:16amiconnNo crash this time, but after a few seconds I hear almost one second of severe artifacts
19:55:24amiconnAnd I know this file is clean
19:56:10amiconnStared browsing again, and it crashed within less than a second. In iram this time.
19:56:30pondlifeSo dircache is not a factor?
19:56:56amiconnData abort at 0x4000129c. That's in fiq() ....
19:57:26amiconnpondlife: As I said, not sure yet
19:57:33pondlifeAh, ok.
19:57:57pondlifeI was wondering if you had now had a crash with and without dircache?
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19:59:15amiconnNo crash without dircache yet, but it seems to be rather irregular behaviour
20:00:45amiconnIt seems to more likely that it crashes shortly after boot though
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20:01:36pondlifeSo maybe allocation of the thumbnail buffer, followed by another bufferalloc...
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20:02:04amiconnAfter starting playback?
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20:03:28pondlifetalk_init() calls audio_get_buffer() so it should be safe.
20:03:51pondlifeBut talk_buffer_steal() doesn't.
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20:04:54pondlifeSo if somehow talk_buffer_steal() is called during playback but before any .talk clips has been loaded...
20:05:03kratonatorhi all
20:05:39kratonatordoes somebody know if the ipod 3rd gen has a delete function in the text editor?
20:05:53kratonatorlike delete a letter
20:06:09pondlifeHa, audio_iram_steal() exists and is included in the plugin API, but no plugin seems to call it.
20:06:10preglowwould be a weird text editor if not
20:06:23amiconnpondlife: audio_get_buffer() calls talk_buffer_steal() ..
20:06:26kratonatorthat's what i thought
20:06:46preglowkratonator: it might be that the text editor key maps aren't good on ipods, though
20:06:52kratonatori searched the manual&tried various key combination
20:06:57pondlifePLUGIN_IRAM_INIT() is called by mpegplayer and that does stop audio + voice
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20:07:47kratonatorim sure it could be pressing more keys at the same time...rew and fastfw for example...
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20:08:27kratonatorshould i post a feature request or is it that simple that it will implemented soon?
20:08:51amiconnkratonator: You can delete letters in the text editor
20:08:58IshiwatariI have a Ipod Nano , Ram Cache Crash , and Database :s
20:11:48kratonatoramiconn: how can i delete a single letter?
20:12:38amiconnIt's all in the manual .... The text editor is line based. Select the line where you want to delete the letter. It will be displayed in the virtual keyboad.
20:12:54amiconnThe virtual keyboard allows to both add and delete letters
20:13:09amiconnAccept the line, and save. Done.
20:13:29kratonatorso there is a small "key" allows to delete only a letter?
20:13:39kratonatorwhere is that anyway?
20:14:22kratonatori dont get your point
20:14:29amiconn Page 22 (bottom) and 23 describe the virtual keyboard
20:14:58amiconnLook for line edit mode
20:16:59pondlifeamiconn: I don't see why reset_state() should be called from talk_buffer_steal().
20:17:31pondlifeIf you are stealing the talk buffer, then p_thumbnail should end up NULL, right?
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20:19:05amiconnCheck the comment above reset_state()
20:19:16pondlifeOr perhaps reset_state() should not be allocating the thumbnail buffer, and should be returning with p_thumbnail = NULL.
20:20:41pondlifeAh, there's no real need to dynamically allocate this now we have config settings for use of .talk clips!
20:21:17pondlifeMaybe it can be KISSed better?
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20:22:21ieDo all the modern mp3 players use the same software under the hood? They lokk so boringly same (I mean the UI)!
20:22:36amiconnWhy does that setting remove the need for alloctaion?
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20:24:26Domonokyie: no every manufacturer builds his own software.. and they look different ! :-) but rockbox is the same on every player it supports :-)
20:24:47pondlifeamiconn: Ignore that. I thought that it only allocated memory for .talk clips when first required, but I see now it is done in talk_init().
20:25:18pondlifeI'm sure it used to not waste memory on a .talk clip buffer...
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20:26:37ieDomonoky: yes, the background pictures are different but the menu structure etc are almost the same.
20:26:55ieDomonoky: but you are right: RB is the most boring of them all! :-)
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20:39:09amiconnIt looks like I can't make it crash with dircache enabled
20:39:14amiconnErm, disabled
20:40:25pondlifeSo .talk buffer is allocated, then dircache relies on an old value of audiobuf?
20:40:33pondlife(a theory)
20:42:14amiconnIt might also just be an effect of dircache changing timing
20:42:59pondlifeBut that code shouldn't be so timing dependent. it's fairly high level.
20:43:43amiconnWell, the crash addresses seem to be either in rather low level pcm code, or far off from any valid code...
20:44:00amiconn(fiq() is about as low as you can get...)
20:44:50pondlifeIs Data Abort a data execution abort?
20:45:20amiconnNo, it means that a 16 bit or 32 bit access wasn't aligned
20:45:41amiconnThe address is the address of the *intruction* which tried this access
20:45:45pondlifeAnd the address is the instruction pointer..
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20:47:04dionoea(the exact number)
20:47:11*dionoea 's too lazy to look it up
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21:00:07sersoftcan anybody tell me if I can make rockboy run faster on my nano ??
21:00:47sersofti know its not a hardware limitation because ipod linux runs them at full speed
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21:01:22GodEater_ipodlinux's implementation is not the same as rockboxes
21:02:21sersoftok, also why can't I run the game without scaling the screen? I don't care about the extra 5pixels that I lose
21:02:45GodEater_no idea, I've never used Rockboy, and never intend to
21:03:38sersoftim saying this because it's the only problem I got with rockbox. I love everthing else and I won't install linux on it cuz it's too unstable.
21:04:03Domonokysersoft: as far as i know rockby has different modes to deal with the missing screen space..(at least on h1x0 you can choose if you want to crop top/bottom or lines in between)
21:04:20sersoftwhy not on the nano?
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21:04:53sersoftcan I force it using a config file?
21:05:14Domonokysersoft: i dont know if/ why those modes dont exist on nano.. take a look at the manual.. or if it doesnt help the source :-)
21:05:59sersoftok the reason why im not using linux is because it dosent allow rockbox to run normally...
21:06:24amiconnThe implementation of rockbox display output is different on colour targets
21:06:47amiconnThe vertical scaling modes only exist on H1x0, M5 and recorder afaik
21:07:04sersoftI can run rockbox from the linux bootloader, but it runs but all my data is scrambled, like videos have green squares in them and only play halfway, what's up with that?
21:07:53Domonokysersoft: you can also run linux with the rockbox bootloader.. then we could help.. :-) but ipls loader we dont know..
21:08:05sersofthow do I do that?
21:08:23sersoftafter i install ipodpatcher.exe linux dosent start anymore
21:08:30Domonokytake a look in the Manual/ Wiki.. it described somewhere..
21:08:36GodEater_hold right as it boots
21:08:46sersoftthat goes into apple os
21:09:05GodEater_or is it play ?
21:09:09GodEater_no - it must be play
21:09:12GodEater_right is boot info
21:09:30sersofti tried it just now and it ignores it
21:09:31GodEater_you need a linux.bin or a kernel.bin in the root of your rockbox partition too I think
21:09:38Domonokymanual/wiki will help.. also with the needed linux.bin on the fat32 partition.. :-)
21:09:47GodEater_yeah thought so
21:09:48sersofti think i still have it there
21:10:18sersoftmaybe it's select+play ?
21:11:01GodEater_as Domonoky says - read the wiki
21:11:06sersoftok ok
21:11:09GodEater_I'm very vague on my memory of this
21:11:24GodEater_having never run ipl
21:11:36sersoftgod im so tired of ipodlinux lol
21:11:51sersoftits nearly impossible to get it to work right
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21:12:05sersoftand me being linux-noob dosent help
21:12:29Domonokysersoft: please stay ontopic..
21:12:47linuxstb_Holding PLAY will load a linux kernel from /linux.bin on your FAT32 partition.
21:13:34sersoftthere is a topic in a chat? anyway, ok ill put a linux.bin there and report back
21:13:40linuxstb_sersoft: But it sounds like you may be using an old version of loader2. Lots of people seem to use it without problems.
21:14:07sersoftthe latest version gives me the infamous error 10 cannot modify firmware
21:14:30linuxstb_That's not infamous around here...
21:14:46sersoftwell lots of ppl have it on linux forums
21:14:52sersoftand nobody has a fix
21:16:33GodEater_I don't think that info IS in the wiki actually
21:16:47GodEater_I just searched on "linux.bin" and found absolutely zip
21:17:34linuxstb_GodEater_: No-one has really tested it - it's only in the bootloader because at the time I wrote it, there wasn't a Rockbox for it to load, so I added that feature so I could test it...
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21:18:01GodEater_linuxstb: also the ipl guys complain there's no way to pass kernel parameters, but that's another story ;)
21:18:03linuxstb_I mean it goes as far as loading the kernel, but as I don't have an ext2 partition, it stops.
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21:19:23sersoftim currently trying to run linux from rockbox, and I have the partitionless linux version
21:19:24linuxstb_GodEater: It's not kernel parameters as such, it's the arguments which are passed from loader2 to the init script - so different apps can be started at boot-time.
21:19:51sersoftyeah but why does rockbox make errors while reading files??
21:19:51GodEater_really that's what I meant :)
21:20:11GodEater_that's a pretty vague question sersoft
21:20:42preglowany good reasons to bother with ipodlinux?
21:21:02GodEater_none at all imo
21:21:12linuxstb_preglow: There seem to be more people actively developing/porting games for it...
21:21:22sersoftmostly better interface and games
21:21:25preglowcan imagine it's tons easier to port games to
21:21:25GodEater_so see above :)
21:21:44GodEater_so can we remove all our games now then ?
21:21:51GodEater_and tell people that want them to use ipl ?
21:22:03sersoftits too hard to install :(
21:22:03GodEater_oh the PEACE in the forums if we did :)
21:22:27GodEater_plugins would be a barren wasteland of a forum...
21:23:12sersofti dont want to stop using rockbox thats why i want to run linux from it and not the other way around...
21:24:23GodEater_contraversial topic again I see
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21:25:08sersoft<- oh no another noob who only wants to play games...
21:25:17peturhmmm why does this H10 refuse to upgrade to UMS :(
21:25:42*linuxstb_ shrugs and looks towards barrywardell
21:25:45GodEater_sersoft: =/
21:26:01sersoftonce I almost got an H10... I wish I did, but istead I got a nano
21:26:43*GodEater_ feels the need for beer
21:27:46sersoftok so there's no way to run gbc games without screen-resize on a nano ...
21:28:03GodEater_unless you feel like changing some code, no
21:28:10sersoftanother question, if there was, would it speed up the game?
21:28:46GodEater_doubt it
21:30:14*linuxstb_ tries to remember the Gameboy's resolution - is it 160x144, compared to the Nano's 176x132?
21:30:25amiconn160x144 it is
21:30:33sersoftyeah i lose like 10 pixels lol
21:30:36*amiconn never had a gameboy
21:31:02*linuxstb_ did have a gameboy many years ago, but never counted the dots...
21:31:07sersofti played it and its not bad
21:31:25pixelma12x160 :P
21:31:28*GodEater_ notes his admin forum post is also pretty unpopular
21:31:38preglowoh woopee, another gsoc survey
21:32:00sersofti burned my old gba in a fire lol
21:32:19GodEater_on purpose ?
21:32:23sersofti think i could still find some of the games i gave out to friends
21:32:27linuxstb_preglow: Have you heard from saratoga recently?
21:32:30sersofti also had an ipod color
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21:32:57preglowlinuxstb_: yeah
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21:35:02sersoftok why doesen't it work, im turning it on, holding play and it still boots into rockbox
21:35:22linuxstb_sersoft: Then you're not holding PLAY at the correct time... It can be fussy.
21:35:44sersofti tried like 10times already
21:36:05linuxstb_If the bootloader detects that you're holding play, it will either load Linux, or give you an error message saying that linux.bin doesn't exist.
21:36:12sersofto wait i got it :P
21:36:49FebsThe 11th time's the charm.
21:36:58sersoft12th actually
21:37:09sersofti dunno it might be hard...
21:37:12linuxstb_Who needs a boot menu? ;)
21:37:45sersofti dunno how I could live without my vista/xp/osx/linux loader :P
21:38:02sersoft(no im not using a mac)
21:38:23*linuxstb_ finds one operating system enough (on both PCs, and bringing it back on-topic, DAPs)
21:38:24*GodEater_ wonders why anyone would bother with so many OSes
21:38:57GodEater_linuxstb: you keen for another devConPub in a week or so?
21:39:02Domonokyone os is enough for every DAP.. rockbox :-)
21:39:07sersoftjust out of curiosity, how do irc bans work?
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21:39:16sersoftip ?
21:39:19*linuxstb_ is always keen for *Pub
21:39:19GodEater_sersoft: that's definitely off topic
21:39:31sersofti know im a newbie to irc
21:39:33GodEater_go as in #freenode
21:39:39*preglow wants a pub :/
21:39:39linuxstb_GodEater_: Do we have any out-of-town visitors?
21:39:46*linuxstb_ invites preglow to London
21:39:50GodEater_linuxstb: not that I know of - I just wanted a beer ;)
21:40:03preglowi'll be in england in a months time...
21:40:08sersofthow do i make purple text?
21:40:09preglowwith not much spare time...
21:40:10GodEater_sweet - we can do one then
21:40:18GodEater_not so sweet :(
21:40:31saratogalinuxstb: did you ever look at making the asf parser not modify the audio buffer?
21:40:40GodEater_preglow: can we gate crash ? :)
21:40:41saratogaif not, could you tell me a bit about how i could do that?
21:40:54preglowGodEater_: i expect people will be too pissed to notice anyway
21:41:02GodEater_preglow: my kinda party :)
21:41:06*petur swears at his H10
21:41:35*GodEater_ finds shouting at his DAP therapeutic too
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21:42:35sersofti am shouting at the ipod linux devs for being so unhelpful
21:43:44linuxstb_sersoft: I'm sure that will be productive...
21:44:24linuxstb_saratoga: Not yet. But I know exactly what needs doing - I'll give it a go tonight. But first I need to cook dinner, then eat dinner...
21:44:37GodEater_the drink beer, then smoke
21:44:50sersoftsmoking is bad ntw
21:45:05preglowand NOW you tell me
21:45:07GodEater_I think you mean "mmmmmmkay?"
21:45:16sersoftI stopped smoking in 1 day :P
21:45:30sersoftafter like 2 years
21:45:51preglowpretty much only smoke when i drink, now
21:45:57preglowlife's too short not to smoke when you're drinking
21:46:24sersofti mostly drink coke, or sprite
21:46:44GodEater_and weigh 900 pounds no doubt...
21:46:48preglowi mostly drink water and tea, but i was talking about the alcoholic variety
21:47:07GodEater_thank god
21:47:12linuxstb_preglow: Then England is no longer the place to drink...
21:47:12sersofti know, btw im skinny like a skeleton, so I eat and drink all i want
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21:47:39preglowlinuxstb_: nor norway...
21:47:52GodEater_linuxstb: not this summer anyway :(
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21:48:06GodEater_it would be alright if outside was sunny enough
21:48:12preglowit's not!
21:48:21GodEater_too bloody right it's not
21:48:29GodEater_this is the worst summer I remember in years
21:48:33sersoftontopic: nobody knows how to fix the linux installer from error10 cannot modify firmware??
21:48:36preglowthis is the worst summer i remember ever
21:48:46GodEater_I made the mistake of going to the open air theatre in REgent's Park last week
21:48:49GodEater_nearly froze
21:48:52linuxstb_sersoft: That's almost as off-topic as beer...
21:49:06sersoftI thought the topic was DAP's
21:49:11GodEater_the topic is rockbox
21:49:15GodEater_or beer
21:49:30sersofti dont drink alot of beer
21:49:43GodEater_and THAT is heresy
21:49:44peturthat's ok
21:49:56peturit's the quality that counts ;)
21:50:01GodEater_more for the rest of us too
21:50:24*preglow has got a beer bottle he paid 20 euros for
21:50:25sersoftits unlimited lol, also I doubt any of you live in quebec
21:50:43GodEater_preglow: just the bottle, not the beer ?
21:50:51preglowit does contain beer
21:50:59GodEater_thanlk g
21:51:03GodEater_thank god for that
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21:51:12*GodEater_ peers at his keyboard myopically
21:51:23preglow16% too
21:51:27preglowso i think i'll wait
21:52:14GodEater_it's not Tennent's Super is it ?
21:52:24*GodEater_ imagines preglow on a park bench
21:52:38sersoftis it actually possible to port rockbox to the nintendo DS?
21:52:50GodEater_sersoft: I would imagine so
21:53:03sersofti never should have sold mine then
21:53:48LloreanJust being possible doesn't mean it's likely to happen at all.
21:53:52preglowGodEater_: nah, it's some pitch black norwegian microbrewed stuff
21:54:02preglowwhich explains the price tag
21:54:12preglowsersoft: i've been toying with the idea
21:54:12GodEater_sort of like Theakston's Old Peculier
21:54:20preglowGodEater_: a great beer, by the way
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21:54:35GodEater_didn't saratoga say he'd made a start with bits of it too ?
21:54:44preglowdon't think so
21:54:56GodEater_his post says "he looked into it"
21:54:59GodEater_I stand corrected
21:55:01sersoftwill it ever make it to the nano 2G ? (im not asking cuz i dont even have one, i just want to know)
21:55:10GodEater_sersoft: who knows ?
21:55:15preglowsweet god, are google capable of asking more annoying questions?
21:55:20linuxstb_Does the DS have much storage (or the ability to use standard flash cards)?
21:55:21GodEater_sersoft: but someone would have to work on it first
21:55:43GodEater_linuxstb: I'll dig the other half's out later and look if you like
21:55:50sersoftyeah the ds can accept flash cards (with an adapter)
21:56:12GodEater_although hers is the DS lite
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21:56:17GodEater_I'm not clear on the differences
21:56:24LloreanIn terms of SoC, where do we stand on "the code is functional on its own, but not merged into Rockbox yet"?
21:56:29GodEater_other than it's god awful pink
21:56:35preglowquestion 13: do you actually want the t-shirt?
21:56:42LloreanGodEater: DS lite is smaller, and has a brighter screen. That's about it.
21:56:59GodEater_and is available in pink :)
21:56:59sersoftjust like gameboy advance and SP
21:57:07thegeek_My ds lite has really only been used by my little sister;P
21:57:09webguest65Why is FS #6960 not commited? What is lacking in the patch? Flexibility?
21:57:19thegeek_I love the games but I never have time to play on it;P
21:57:34sersoftis it possible to port rockbox to a cell phone?
21:57:40thegeek_yes sersoft
21:57:46sersofta sony ericsson for example?
21:57:56thegeek_almost anything is possible when it comes to software porting
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21:58:27thegeek_it's just the amount of effort that is different
21:58:33sersoftits very powerful I can listen to mp3 or radio, browse the web and record a video at the same time, then make a call and all of the apps stay open
21:58:38thegeek_you can do it sersoft
21:58:47preglowgod, someone post answers so i can duplicate them :/
21:58:54sersoftim not a programmer sorry :(
21:58:57thegeek_just spend 5 years learning C and hardware hacking
21:59:06thegeek_not kidding
21:59:08thegeek_it can be done
21:59:09sersofti know
21:59:10thegeek_you can do it
21:59:12thegeek_come on
21:59:17GodEater_preglow, can you not just say "yes" a lot ? :)
21:59:17Lloreanpreglow: There was discussion earlier on where "done" is, in terms of student code. Did they decide on "working on its own" or "merged" do you know?
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21:59:36sersoftby the time im done, my cell phone will be outdated by a few thousand other products
21:59:37preglowLlorean: don't know
21:59:38GodEater_Llorean: I thought the discussion reached the point of "it's up to the mentor"
21:59:47LloreanWell then
22:00:01webguest65 Why is FS #6960 not commited? What is lacking in the patch? Flexibility?
22:00:03GodEater_if you're happy with it, and are convinced Nico is going to keep working on it
22:00:11GodEater_then say pass!
22:00:12LloreanGodEater_: I have no doubt Nico will integrate it.
22:00:17GodEater_webguest65: we saw you the first time
22:00:28GodEater_Llorean: neither have I
22:00:33GodEater_so I'd pass him
22:00:38GodEater_but you're his mentor
22:00:43preglowi agree
22:00:52LloreanI intended to as long as nobody had any really, REALLY good objections. ;)
22:01:02GodEater_can't think of a single bad one
22:01:07GodEater_let alone a really REALLY good one
22:01:18preglowthe code smells bad!
22:01:28webguest65GodEater_: ??
22:01:38GodEater_webguest65: as in don't keep repeating yourself
22:01:46GodEater_it's bad form in IRC
22:01:58linuxstb_Llorean: IMO, "done" isn't the issue, it's whether the mentor thinks the student has done enough work (and I suppose work of a good enough quality) to warrant a pass.
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22:02:57webguest65GodEater_: sorry I intended to copy the text for repeating later if necessary, but it somehow came :$
22:03:10webguest65*came out
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22:03:28Lloreanlinuxstb_: Maybe I should put that in the "What do you as a mentor wish you'd known before you started" as perhaps "more specific discussion of how to evaluate things"
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22:04:40GodEater_Llorean: "flip a coin" :)
22:05:11preglowi'm tempted to answer "that i would have to answer all these sorry-ass questions" on that question
22:05:29preglowseriously, i can't think of a bloody thing for half of them
22:05:31Llorean"What would you do differently for future instances of Summer of Code should you participate again?" "Save my answers to this year's questions"
22:06:05LloreanI'm getting damn tired of (required)
22:06:29preglow"if" questions with required status
22:07:35sersoftok i installed latest version and didn't get the error 10 YAY ME!
22:07:44linuxstb_Just remember you're earning $500 for Rockbox...
22:08:00sersoftlol what?
22:08:17Lloreansersoft: We SoC mentors are
22:08:41preglowi'll just have to manage to attend a devcon sometime so i can suck some of that money out again in the form of beer...
22:08:49sersoftwhy are there so many ppl in the chat?
22:09:18peturpreglow: and I shall take orders ;)
22:09:27GodEater_sersoft: we're antisocial and have no life?
22:10:07BagderI read about life in a book though!
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22:10:14sersofti also have no life
22:10:30Terinjokessersoft: ditto :P
22:10:36*petur looks for an H10 (5/6GB) user...
22:10:53sersofti tend to stick around in gaming forums though
22:10:56Bagderpetur: I don't think they're too frequent around here
22:11:26Terinjokeslinuxstb_: for the cross compile, should I use the exact version as the doc page, or something newer?
22:11:42BagderTerinjokes: we advice the exact version
22:11:46GodEater_Terinjokes: exact version is advisable
22:11:54TerinjokesBagder: ok, :P
22:12:12amiconnpetur: wyp?
22:12:22peturBagder: I'm not surprised, I'm not even getting it to update its firmware :/ - so probably not many users...
22:12:28Terinjokeshrm... but i really perfer gz over bz2 :P (j/j)
22:13:13*GodEater_ remembers he has an early start tomorrow
22:13:20amiconnBagder, petur: I have an H10/6GB ...
22:13:31Bagderright, I forgot!
22:14:05sersoftthere's a guy on youtube who made a video of rockbox on his h10
22:14:17peturamiconn: mine has MTP firmware and after copying the rom file it fails to see it (and upgrade)
22:14:31amiconnHow is the original file called?
22:14:42sersoftit must be in file transfer mode not mtp
22:14:51peturyes I know that
22:14:54sersoftmtp is for media files only i think
22:14:57amiconnUnfortunately I might not be of much help. Mine was UMS to begin with
22:15:32preglowanyone have ideas on what worked well for us in gsoc? i assume the fact that we now have more code doesn't count...
22:15:40amiconnI'd try the firmware updater. I'm not sure whether changing UMS<->MTP is possible manually
22:15:45sersoftthere's a key combination to start in UMS mode i think
22:16:02sersofti read a howto a long time ago
22:16:03amiconnsersoft, petur: Yes, hold Select during boot
22:16:05petursersoft: yes, that is _not_ my problem
22:16:31sersoftok so the problem is _________ ?
22:16:43Lloreanpreglow: What worked well was that three of our four students were already associated with the project and to an extent familiar with the codebase?
22:16:46peturthe problem is I copied the rom file in the root and it just boots normally - no upgrade happening
22:17:14preglowLlorean: good, i just can't think of stuff like that
22:17:19sersoftyou might have did something wrong then...
22:17:21*amiconn just got a crash a second after starting playback - with dircache disabled
22:17:28amiconnSo that's not the prob...
22:17:36*petur downloads iriverplus
22:17:45amiconnpetur: The rom file does not go into the root afaik
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22:18:13peturhmmm the MR wiki said it did
22:19:18amiconnDo you have a 5 or 6GB?
22:19:29Terinjokesi need gcc-4.0.3.tar.bz2, correct (for iPod)?
22:19:59saratogapreglow: do I have to fill something out too?
22:20:00Terinjokesno, i need core it looks like...
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22:20:26sersoftpetur: you lucky.. person, i only got 1gb
22:20:54BagderTerinjokes: you on linux?
22:21:15TerinjokesBagder: no OSX
22:21:27amiconnpetur: You first need to connect the player with the ums trick and copy the bl file to the root. Then disconnect, boot normally, *connect the player so that the computer detects it as mtp*, and disconnect again
22:21:28BagderTerinjokes: then use the tools/ script
22:21:36Bagderit downloads, unpacks, builds, installs
22:21:42TerinjokesBagder: i'm doing it manually, thank you :P
22:21:49TerinjokesBagder: gcc-core-4.0.3.tar.bz2 correct?
22:21:53amiconnThe rom will only be flashed after successful mtp connect + disconnect iiuc
22:21:57preglowsaratoga: no idea
22:22:03Bagder... yes, as the script does it
22:22:17peturamiconn: did that, will redo the whole thing one more time
22:23:22amiconnI found german instructions for the conversion
22:23:23TerinjokesBagder: i used the script last time, and it didn't work, so i'm doing it manually
22:23:51BagderTerinjokes: the script has been improved, and has worked for OSX users already
22:23:58Bagderbut sure, do what you tihnk is fun
22:24:39TerinjokesBagder: that's nice, but i'd rather spend time trying to figure it out, then to let some script do it... how else am i supposed to waste my time?
22:24:55Bagderby writing rockbox code!
22:24:58linuxstb_You could port java.
22:25:16amiconnpetur: I hope it's not a H10 pure?
22:25:28peturthat would be?
22:25:33Terinjokeslinuxstb_: oh, let me get started on that now... Bagder: i would, but I'm head of IT, not programmer
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22:25:56amiconnThe pure has no radio... and there is no UMS firmware for it
22:26:08peturso no rockbox?
22:26:16amiconnSure you can install rockbox
22:26:33amiconnYou just have to always use emergency connect to get into ums
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22:26:49amiconnSame goes for the 'big' H10
22:27:21amiconn(iiuc what barrywardell said - I also found instructions to convert a 'big' H10 to UMS with an US firmware)
22:27:46peturthat german link is just a translation of the MR wiki
22:27:47amiconnYou can even try to convert a H10 pure to ums by tricking it to install the non-pure firmware
22:27:53amiconnah ok
22:28:38peturstrange thing is it only shows the OK To Disconnect screen after it has already been disconnected
22:28:53amiconnShould be simple to find out what you have. Is there a radio menu item in the OF
22:28:55peturbut in MTP mode I find no way to disconnect on PC
22:29:39Terinjokesi noticed some players going to MTP mode when connected to a mac
22:29:50Terinjokes(although they still showed as UMS)
22:30:47sersoftdammit im getting the file reading errors again
22:30:57sersofteven using rockbox bootloader
22:31:16sersofti think it's because there's a linux partition
22:31:26amiconnThat doesn't matter
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22:31:39sersoftit does for me
22:31:46sersoftcant even play videos anymore
22:32:33Terinjokesany suggestions on where to install on a mac?
22:32:44preglowok, surveys done
22:32:45amiconnI mean it doesn't matter whether there is a linux partition
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22:33:09sersoftso how do i fix the file errors thing???
22:33:37amiconnThere can be as many other partitions as you like. Rockbox will use the first primary fat32 partition it is able to mount
22:34:11sersoftyeah it runs it even plays plugins and stuff, just makes errors while playinf files like music and videos
22:35:03sersofti thought it was because of the loader.. but it does it when running from rockbox loader too (when linux is installed)
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22:35:30linuxstb_sersoft: Which ipod do you have?
22:35:59sersoftnano 1gb
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22:36:27peturamiconn: it is the PURE version :/
22:36:38sersoftI guess
22:37:04sersoftit runs in file transfer mode by default when plugged in USB
22:37:21Terinjokessersoft: hrm, rockbox runs fine with nano 1G (i use it myself)
22:37:27sersofti know
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22:37:46sersoftbut im having problems as soon as i install ipod linux
22:37:51Terinjokessersoft: you're using OF+Rockbox+IPL?
22:38:00sersoftwhat os OF?
22:38:03linuxstb_Aren't some people on the forums reporting Nano problems with recent builds?
22:38:17Terinjokeslinuxstb_: i have a recent build, no problems
22:38:18Lloreanlinuxstb_: Several.
22:38:26Lloreanlinuxstb_: IN the bug trackers, search Nano 1.3.1
22:38:33LloreanBecause the bug was named after the old theory
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22:38:43sersoftyeah but It works fine without linux
22:38:49*petur boots rockbox on the H10 :)
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22:41:18*linuxstb_ wonders if the cpu speed increase should be reverted until it's reliable on all Nanos?
22:41:44LloreanI just really wish I knew what was different about those ones.
22:41:48peturaaaargh... file not found on one of the links :/
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22:45:48sersoftvideo plays
22:46:05amiconnlinuxstb: It's definitely not a cpu speed prob
22:46:15sersoftstill a couple green squares but it dosent skip and dosent crash halfway through
22:46:33dionoeaamiconn: not sure if this is worth mentioning but a function starting at 0x00194188 (provided that you loaded apple_os.bin with a 0x200 offset in IDA) lists all the intersting threads/task. Looks like the function which launches them all (or something like that). (That's for version 1.1(not entirely sure) of the Video Apple)
22:46:35amiconnI would really like to see this fixed, but I can't do it myself
22:47:17sersofti <3 you guys
22:47:28pregloware all nanos susceptible?
22:47:39*barrywardell catches up on petur's troubles from the logs
22:47:48sersoft* sersoft is playing video on rockbox after playing mario deluxe on ibox
22:47:56amiconnpreglow: Obviously not
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22:48:27amiconnBut in fact they might be. I suspect it's an ata timing problem, which would also explain why ata sleep doesn't work on nano
22:48:40amiconn(or rather, the subsequent wake-up)
22:48:44preglowwhy? is sleep more timing sensitive?
22:48:56amiconnNo, but it might wake up in a slower pio mode
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22:49:28amiconnAnd I know that some ata devices don't tolerate faster timings than what would be expected in the respective mode
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22:49:38amiconnMost do, though
22:49:52linuxstb_That wouldn't surprise me - IIRC, there isn't any Nano-specific ATA code, it just inherited the 4G code.
22:50:09Terinjokescrap... ran the command for gcc and building binutils :P
22:50:19amiconnThe code doesn't need to be nano specific; we're not handling ata timing properly on any pp target yet
22:50:39amiconnBut the toshiba disks seem to tolerate what we are doing
22:51:34sersoftok my nano problem is mostly solved... bye for now...
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22:52:18amiconnThere is code for setting the ata timing in ata_init for pp - but it just sets a timing that's roughly okay for ~80MHz and PIO4
22:52:42amiconnI'm not entirely sure about all the bits in the timing registers - that needs more investigation
22:52:57preglowbut yeah, it being an ata issue sounds logical
22:53:06amiconnSome ata devices expect PIO2 timing at startup/wakeup
22:53:32preglowanyway, last i checked, telling this chip to sleep is no different from just leaving it idle for 500us or so
22:53:32amiconn..and refuse to operate at a higher timing until SET_FEATURES enables them
22:53:44preglowbut apparently there is a difference, of course...
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22:54:05preglowbut i think i remember the datasheet saying the mode is the same
22:54:12amiconnWell, it's not strictly necessary on nano, but the failure does indicate that we're doing something wrong
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22:55:50Tempis2is there a way to force a database update in rockbox?
22:56:05Tempis2not in the background
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22:56:49Bagderhow about this size delta table =>
22:57:06Bagderthe deltas shown are the average ram and bin delta
22:59:14peturI don't think these averages tell much, why not let the user select, or show two tables?
23:00:04BagderI don't want to select since I want them all to be visible when browswing the page, and I having two tables that are next to identical during 99% of the time is also a bit weird
23:00:35BagderI'll try with this for a while on this alternative URL to see
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23:01:00Bagderif you hover over a value you get all the details
23:01:11Bagderdiff + total for both kinds
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23:04:12maddlerevening all! :D
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23:14:30linuxstb_Bagder: I hope those instructions are accurate...
23:14:51Bagderthe parts I can read looked fine! ;-P
23:15:56linuxstb_Although the Rockbox Japanese translation doesn't seem to have been updated since March 2006...
23:17:22*linuxstb_ is still reading through that website - it's very extensive...
23:17:43linuxstb_s/reading/looking at the pictures/
23:17:50Bagder <= more in similar spirit...
23:18:43BagderI scan the referer list from the web server stats a times
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23:19:44linuxstb_So it seems we do have a fair number of Japanese and Chinese users, but they just never make themselves known here?
23:20:10Bagderyeah, possibly it could be a language barrier
23:20:14preglowthey try to not make themselves understood from time to time
23:20:22preglowbut not often these days
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23:22:21linuxstb_Bagder: Is there a reason "make install" doesn't build Rockbox?
23:23:01Bagderyes, as if the build fails the install isn't done
23:23:14linuxstb_Isn't that what you want?
23:23:17Bagderwith a separate action, it is easier to install a failed build
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23:23:40Bagderwell, during development it has happened more than once that I've wanted to install anyway
23:23:54linuxstb_OK, it's not a big issue, I was just curious...
23:24:40linuxstb_Wouldn't make -k install do it?
23:24:58BagderI guess it would
23:25:17BagderI do have a feeling there was another reason as well but I can't recall any right now
23:25:37witzHey is possible to install rockbox on a ipod video 30gb? This one :
23:26:34linuxstb_ lists the supported devices at the top of the page. See the "manual" link on the left for install instructions.
23:27:34witzI seen the ipod video manual link, just wanted to be sure it worked on the latest model.
23:28:32linuxstb_It does. The only ipods it doesnt' work on are the shuffles and the latest (2nd generation) Nanos.
23:30:38witzlinuxstb_ So the music,video,photos,ebooks, and games will work on rockbox out of box?
23:31:53Bagderwitz: if you mean the rockbox games and those files have the right format, yes
23:32:32witzyes I meant the rockbox games ;)
23:33:09witzBut the rest of the stuff above should work right?
23:33:28Bagderyes, but not necessarily when using the formats you used with the OF
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23:33:50witzWhat type of formats don't work?
23:34:05LloreanAnything DRM restricted/encrypted.
23:34:21Bagderand video needs to be mpeg1/2
23:34:36Bagderuh, that's not half ;-)
23:34:43*ender` yawns
23:35:54witzOh thats not a issue since I have drm-free files :) The videos if I'll need them I'll convert them to mpeg's not big of a problem.
23:37:11witzWhere on the site can I read more about supported formats and what else rockbox could do?
23:38:05Bagderin the manual and in the wiki
23:39:12Terinjokesany word on USB on iPod targets?
23:39:25Bagderone word: gsoc2007
23:40:18*petur now has an UMS bootloader :)
23:40:48TerinjokesBagder: that's actually 8 words
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23:41:28*barrywardell cheers petur
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23:41:42TerinjokesBagder: do we have updates from Summer of Code?
23:43:06BagderI haven't kept up with the recent developments
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23:43:18Bagderbut there is at least basic usb stuff working
23:43:50saratogai can't wait to erase the sandisk firmware
23:44:14LloreanErase Sandisk, shrink the boot partition on my Nano to almost nothing... nice.
23:44:30TerinjokesBagder: the focus is on Sansa player though
23:44:53Bagderwell, he needs to focus on one target
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23:45:13LloreanTerinjokes: A quite large chunk of the code will be a good start for all the other targets.
23:45:16linuxstbTerinjokes: Not really - there are enough interested devs to maintain the code on all PP targets.
23:45:31linuxstbe.g. Petur just bought himself a H10...
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23:45:53petur...without radio :/
23:45:59barrywardellthere should be almost zero code difference between PP targets anyway
23:46:14linuxstbbarrywardell: That's my hope...
23:46:39linuxstbbarrywardell: Have you been testing on the H10?
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23:46:57Terinjokesyucky, WMA :P
23:47:05barrywardellI've been playing around with it a good bit
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23:47:21barrywardellbut not sure how much to do until we here from austriancoder again
23:47:56linuxstbIs the code anywhere near being ready to commit?
23:48:18barrywardellwell, the code I have working is just a hacked version of e200tool's code
23:48:29barrywardellI'm not even sure if we're allowed to commit that?
23:48:37barrywardellwithout permission from MrH
23:48:55saratogano anonomous contributions anyway
23:49:01peturhe should first change back to his own code then...
23:49:05Terinjokesupdate: Cross compiler installed, and Rockbox successfully built
23:49:06petur and use interrupts
23:49:29linuxstbAh, so progress isn't as far as I thought...
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23:50:04saratogais this where i gloat for getting my project into SVN 6 weeks ago
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23:50:40LloreanWell wasn't austriancoder's code *supposed* to work except for the one problem with TX?
23:50:51pixelmarasher: the polish language file looks like the it has the strings only attached to the all targets part and doesn't use the features...
23:51:00peturhe told me his serial driver was working
23:51:11pixelmarasher: (at least in the first few I looked at)
23:51:12peturand the ums driver was getting better
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23:52:13barrywardellIt would be nice to have a patch to try
23:52:52witzBagder : I'm about to go ahead and install rockbox on a 1st gen ipod nano, and wanted to ask, where is the /root on the nano? I looked inside and I only have the files : Contacts, Calendars,iPod_Control,and Notes.
23:53:16Terinjokeswitz: that is thw root
23:53:20linuxstbThat's the root - i.e. the top-level of your ipod (not inside any folders)
23:53:31witzso dump it in there?
23:54:03peturhe also told me he had some real life troubles (I'm not detailing here unless he wants to)
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23:54:09linuxstbYes. After you install Rockbox, you should have Contacts, Calendars, iPod_Control, Notes and .rockbox folders in the root.
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23:54:48Terinjokeswitz: say your ipod is E:/, you should copy .rockbox, so that it is E:/.rockbox/
23:54:50pixelmarasher: but maybe still better than a way outdate one?
23:55:02barrywardellpetur: have austriancoder given you anything to try yourself?
23:55:06rasherpixelma: hrm, shame on me for not checking more thoroughly
23:55:48peturbarrywardell: no, I guess I could ask him. I'm building plain rb for h10 now, next step will be patched ;)
23:55:49rasherpixelma: which strings are this?
23:55:58witzTerinjokes : I'm on linux so I don't need help with the locating the ipod :)
23:56:13Terinjokeswitz: it was an example in either case :P
23:56:33Terinjokesjust to illustrate the file structure
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23:57:01rasherpixelma: it could also be my fault (the patch was done using my web interface)
23:57:06pixelmarasher: looks like all in the dest part, not sure how well it works together if the source part defines something else?
23:57:10linuxstbsaratoga: Some more TABs seem to have found their way into wmadeci.c...
23:57:33rasherpixelma: hrm, I'm starting from the bottom - LANG_MIN_DURATION for example looks fine to me
23:57:34witzDo I have to be root to extract the .rockbox into the ipod?
23:57:51Bagderwitz: it depends on how you mount it
23:58:26witzBagder : The ipod is mounted with rw permisions
23:58:26Terinjokeson the ipod, is alarm played through the speakers or the ipod speaker?
23:58:27barrywardellpetur: I'd be interested in a patch to play with if he has one. the Friday patch on his site doesn't compile
23:58:28linuxstbwitz: I normally do "unzip -d /mnt/ipod/" (replace path as appropriate...)

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