| 00:00:15 | Bagder | witz: ipodpatcher should probably be run as root, to save you from some trouble |
| 00:00:21 | witz | okey |
| 00:00:27 | * | Terinjokes doesn't understand why we use Windows Bitmap for images |
| 00:00:31 | linuxstb | witz: ipodpatcher needs write permissions on the raw disk device (e.g. /dev/sda) |
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| 00:01:04 | Bagder | Terinjokes: because it is an uncompressed format and it works? |
| 00:01:32 | linuxstb | And it's easy to create and easy to parse. |
| 00:01:37 | petur | barrywardell: ac mailed me he created a tar.gz but it wasn't attached to the mail and it isn't on his site |
| 00:01:41 | amiconn | petur: Did you try the ums conversion? |
| 00:01:57 | petur | amiconn: yes I'm on UMS now |
| 00:02:11 | petur | the trick was to go to us-mtp first |
| 00:02:18 | amiconn | wee, so that multi-step conversion works |
| 00:02:29 | rasher | pixelma: ah yes, I see it now.. it looks like something that might be my fault, to be honest |
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| 00:02:52 | amiconn | The only disadvantage now is that you can't help with figuring out the radio |
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| 00:02:58 | petur | indeed |
| 00:03:00 | pixelma | rasher: hopefully an easy fix |
| 00:03:11 | witz | Bagder : I ran the bootloader script. What do I do now from here? |
| 00:03:29 | linuxstb | witz: Are you following the steps in the manual? |
| 00:03:32 | Bagder | witz: this is all described very fine in the manual |
| 00:03:34 | petur | I also don't like the touchpad, way too sensitive (in rockbox, of is usable) |
| 00:03:45 | amiconn | But I guess that's a job for barrywardell or me. You'll do the wasabi thing meanwhile ;) |
| 00:04:02 | barrywardell | amiconn: in theory the radio should be easy - it's the same as the h300. but I couldn't get any response from it |
| 00:04:05 | amiconn | The pad isn't fully figured out yet |
| 00:04:18 | witz | Yes I am following the instructions from the manual. Just I last time I tried installing rockbox with no luck. |
| 00:04:33 | barrywardell | yeah, for the pad we need a better understanding of the ADC |
| 00:04:34 | amiconn | barrywardell: I intend to look into these things as soon as I get the more important ones done. |
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| 00:04:38 | linuxstb | witz: A basic install is just two steps - run ipodpatcher and unzip rockbox.zip |
| 00:05:00 | barrywardell | amiconn: I've done some OF re wrt the ADC |
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| 00:05:10 | barrywardell | found what looks like the read function |
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| 00:05:38 | amiconn | Unfortunately the H10 or sansa OF disassemblies aren't as easy to understand as apple OF disassemblies |
| 00:05:52 | witz | wait... so I first run the bootloader scipt then put in the extracted files into the ipod? Or extracting first then running the script is fine? |
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| 00:06:23 | Terinjokes | witz: order doesn't matter |
| 00:06:31 | witz | okey |
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| 00:07:05 | witz | So now I need to unmount the ipod, and turn it on? |
| 00:08:21 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 00:08:41 | linuxstb | saratoga: (for the logs) Do you have a test WMA file with multiple payloads per audio packet? I can't seem to find one... |
| 00:10:09 | barrywardell | amiconn: for when you get around to it, here's what I found so far in the US2.51 OF: http://pastebin.ca/664870 |
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| 00:12:53 | witz | linustb : Cool the ipod booted into rockbox. Can I boot back into the ipod firmware or I have to uninstall rockbox? And I already have music still on the apple firmware. Can I play music from it? Thanks for the help :) |
| 00:14:35 | Terinjokes | witz: yes, you can reboot into Apple firmware |
| 00:14:39 | rasher | pixelma: ah not my fault, he simply didn't follow orders |
| 00:15:04 | Terinjokes | witz: yes, you can play music copied from iTunes (as long as it is un-DRMed) |
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| 00:15:52 | witz | Terinjokes : How do I boot back into apple fireware? The keys? where do I go to play the music? |
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| 00:16:11 | Bagder | you go to the manual |
| 00:16:15 | Terinjokes | witz: in the future, read the documentation |
| 00:16:48 | Terinjokes | witz: shutdown rockbox (hold down play), and after it shuts off, press select and then flip the lock to "locked" |
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| 00:17:50 | Terinjokes | (up until a few days ago, i was still using the old method... of fastly hitting menu or something... i love this new way :P ) |
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| 00:18:07 | qweru | Hello and good evening, I have a problem with my newly purchased 4GB micro sd card in my Sansa e280 - it won't recognize it. Does anybody know if 4GB cards are supported as I could not find much about this on the net? |
| 00:18:21 | Bagder | I don't think so |
| 00:18:28 | Bagder | that's a sdhc, right? |
| 00:18:32 | qweru | yes |
| 00:19:14 | qweru | I tried a very recent version of rockbox (2 days old) and the origial firmware - neither shows any of the mp3's that I have copied onto it. |
| 00:19:17 | Bagder | well, you should probably ask sandisk to start with |
| 00:19:28 | witz | Terinjokes : Okey I'll go and read the Docs... I got too excited about rockbox :) Thanks for your help anyway! |
| 00:19:42 | Terinjokes | witz: no problem, and welcome to the family |
| 00:19:56 | rasher | Bagder: you'd have thought that they of all manufacturers would support the latest and greatest in flash storage |
| 00:20:05 | Bagder | yeah |
| 00:20:16 | Bagder | possibly they do with an upgrade or similar |
| 00:20:23 | qweru | ... especially I bought the original sandisk .... |
| 00:20:29 | Llorean | Well, my understanding is that SDHC generally merely requires a "firmware upgrade" of the device/reader/whatever |
| 00:20:52 | qweru | ah ok |
| 00:20:52 | Bagder | yes, but I think that's also depending on how it is connected |
| 00:20:59 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 00:21:19 | Llorean | I'm sure some can't be upgraded, since the firmware that's controlling access isn't somewhere that can be rewritten. |
| 00:21:36 | iamben_ | doesnt rockbox handle all that though? |
| 00:21:49 | Terinjokes | Llorean: in today's age of technology, it's pretty sad that's the case |
| 00:22:00 | Bagder | iamben_: not of the hw isn't connected in a way that won't work with sdhc ;-) |
| 00:22:03 | Bagder | not if |
| 00:22:09 | amiconn | Well, it depends on how the sd slot is connected in the sansa |
| 00:22:13 | Bagder | darn, I can't type today either |
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| 00:22:42 | Llorean | Terinjokes: That statement doesn't make a lot of sense. There's often a lot of embedded software that can't be upgraded. |
| 00:22:43 | amiconn | If it uses sd mode, it should be possible, if it's spi mode, it might be possible but not work with all cards (afaiu) |
| 00:23:11 | Terinjokes | but consumer technology moves at such a fast pace... |
| 00:23:16 | amiconn | Iirc I read that sdhc cards aren't required to support spi mode anymore (unlike MMC4.2 cards) |
| 00:23:39 | Llorean | Terinjokes: There's the key word: Consumer. The intent is for you to consume, and replace, the technology. |
| 00:23:43 | Terinjokes | (especially since the average joe doesn't know one thing from another) |
| 00:23:56 | amiconn | So the Ondio wil support MMCs > 4GB - hopefully shortly after I get hold of such a card |
| 00:23:59 | Bagder | the average joe hardly upgrades his devices anyway... |
| 00:24:04 | iamben_ | is the e200 the only rockboxed device that has an sd slot? |
| 00:24:09 | Terinjokes | (in fact, i still use a digital camera that writes to a floppy) |
| 00:24:11 | Soap | and price = sales. Futureproofing =/= sales |
| 00:24:14 | Bagder | iamben_: microsd, yes |
| 00:24:19 | qweru | I tried to look it up on sandisk's website bu they don't mention the maximum size or mode, they just say that it can be expanded via micro sd. I guess I will have to write to them as bagdr suggested. |
| 00:24:23 | amiconn | (but the MMC-USB bridge will not - similar situation to other targets and >128GB HDDs) |
| 00:24:26 | rasher | Apparently the "Sansa View" is going to include sdhc when released. |
| 00:24:44 | rasher | But that's regular SD, it seems |
| 00:24:54 | Llorean | qweru: Well, "MicroSD" is considered different than "MicroSDHC" |
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| 00:25:04 | iamben_ | i've only got 1G microsd or i'd look into this further |
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| 00:25:38 | amiconn | Theoretically 4GB SD should not require the SDHC standard, just fat32 instead of fat16 |
| 00:25:40 | Bagder | "microSDHC cards will only be supported by the e200 plus, which just was released in japan and will be coming out soon in the rest of the world" |
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| 00:25:46 | Bagder | from http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=e200&thread.id=1520 |
| 00:25:59 | rasher | Boo |
| 00:26:23 | Llorean | Could still be the same hardware, and different firmware |
| 00:26:25 | iamben_ | yeah well theres a lot of things the e200 doesnt "support" but thats why we use rockbox =) |
| 00:26:26 | rasher | With any luck, Rockbox may outdo Sansa here |
| 00:26:27 | Llorean | Like, in theory, the Rhapsody model is |
| 00:26:41 | rasher | eh, Sandisk |
| 00:26:50 | Bagder | yes, but it could also imply a subtle hw change |
| 00:27:00 | rasher | Bagder: "It is not hardware. I was reading that you can installing Rockbox and get it to read microSDHC cards." |
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| 00:27:08 | rasher | Wonder where he got that from |
| 00:27:09 | Bagder | hahaha |
| 00:27:29 | Bagder | well, a huge grain of salt added for all that info I guess |
| 00:27:46 | barrywardell | I saw a 4GB microSD today and was very tempted |
| 00:27:53 | iamben_ | well its not impossible that it is wired to read both but fw only supports regular microsd |
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| 00:28:02 | Bagder | true |
| 00:28:11 | iamben_ | ive got another device that didnt support sdhc out of box, but w/ a firmware update it does |
| 00:28:16 | saratoga | linuxstb: regarding multiple payloads, all i know is that you once told me that a WMAv1 file i sent you had them |
| 00:28:20 | Llorean | I thought the difference was in the addressing, not the wiring or connectinons. |
| 00:28:20 | rasher | iamben_: Certainly not, but he states it as truth, when in fact no one knows either way. |
| 00:28:21 | qweru | I checked the original file system of my sansa is also fat32 |
| 00:28:28 | barrywardell | amiconn: what changes have to be made to suport sdhc? |
| 00:28:37 | iamben_ | rasher: oh i didnt read that yet |
| 00:28:57 | Soap | mmm, 12GB sansa. |
| 00:29:06 | Soap | anyone want a mint 4GB nano? |
| 00:29:07 | rasher | An 8gb sansa with a 4gb microSD would be very tempting indeed |
| 00:29:20 | iamben_ | isnt 8G sdhc in the works? |
| 00:29:30 | iamben_ | maybe not available yet |
| 00:29:39 | Llorean | Isn't the limit on SDHC something like 64? |
| 00:29:48 | Llorean | Not that I expect that ever in micro |
| 00:29:50 | rasher | Probably, I think I read the upper (theoretical) limit for sdhc is 2048 gb |
| 00:29:52 | Bagder | "To ensure compatibility, look for the microSDHC logo on the product or packaging of your new phone or PDA." |
| 00:29:55 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:30:03 | Bagder | (sandisk blurb) |
| 00:30:17 | qweru | I have checked the packing and it reads indeed microSDHC |
| 00:30:36 | Bagder | yeah, but on on your "phone or pda" |
| 00:30:42 | Bagder | ie your sansa |
| 00:30:50 | qweru | But I am pretty sure it only read microSD in the eBay description. |
| 00:30:59 | rasher | Hah, they must have forgotten they have aline of DAPs |
| 00:31:11 | saratoga | microsd changes the addressing |
| 00:31:13 | Llorean | Or have no intent to support it in daps yet. |
| 00:31:21 | saratoga | its block based instead of byte based, or something like that |
| 00:31:37 | rasher | Llorean: Apparently they have a "Sansa View" in the works which is said to have sdhc support (on wikipedia, anyway) |
| 00:31:41 | saratoga | from glancing at mrh's docs ages ago, i thought sdhc support should be possible, but i could be wrong |
| 00:33:00 | qweru | I don't think I can wait until rockbox runs on the sansa view so I guess I will have to buy another 2gb real microSD. |
| 00:34:06 | barrywardell | saratoga: from MrH's docs: "If driving an external card one should use SDHC spec |
| 00:34:06 | barrywardell | instead, if large cards become available and are to be |
| 00:34:06 | barrywardell | supported. " |
| 00:34:11 | Bagder | qweru: nah, start poking the code to make it work with the sdhc! |
| 00:34:30 | saratoga | and the spec says the max capacity is 32Gb not 2048GB |
| 00:34:32 | rasher | Apparently 4gb microsd cards exist |
| 00:34:34 | saratoga | 32GB that is |
| 00:34:38 | * | barrywardell is even more tempted my that mircoSDHC now |
| 00:34:46 | Bagder | barrywardell: go go go ;-) |
| 00:34:52 | barrywardell | rasher: they do, I saw one today! |
| 00:35:14 | rasher | barrywardell: Wasn't that microSDHC? |
| 00:35:15 | qweru | Badger: you over-estimate my programming skills, I'm still stuck with the old C64 basic |
| 00:35:24 | Bagder | hehe |
| 00:35:30 | saratoga | heres the specs if anyone is interested: http://72.14.209.104/search?q=cache:lVMIQpGALuUJ:www.sdcard.org/sd_memorycard/Simplified%2520Physical%2520Layer%2520Specification.PDF+%22Physical+Layer+Simplified+Specification%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a |
| 00:35:49 | barrywardell | rasher: I'll have to check again tomorrow. It was behind the counter in the shop |
| 00:35:51 | * | Bagder falls off his chair and crawls to bed |
| 00:36:22 | pixelma | typing while crawling, impressive ;) |
| 00:36:50 | rasher | saratoga: oops, better save a copy of that if it's supposed to be secret - the file is gone from their server |
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| 00:39:07 | rasher | amiconn: actually, SPI is optional for all microSD cards (again, according to wikipedia which is as far as I'm willing to go hunting for info) |
| 00:41:03 | qweru | Thanks all for your support, will have another look for a microSD card now. |
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| 00:45:05 | barrywardell | the sansa uses the SD bus IIRC |
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| 00:56:34 | webguest18 | Is there any easy way to find out if a language file is outdated and how/where is it outdated? |
| 00:56:54 | webguest18 | beside reading through the file!!! or the commits? |
| 00:57:00 | rasher | webguest18: rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/ |
| 00:59:16 | rasher | webguest18: which language are you thinking of? |
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| 01:03:03 | iamben_ | if im using a car power adapter for my e200, am i gonna have to hold the left button every single time i turn it on (if i want rockbox)? |
| 01:03:08 | webguest18 | rasher: nice! |
| 01:03:12 | webguest18 | Chinese simplified |
| 01:03:15 | iamben_ | er wait |
| 01:03:30 | iamben_ | its not left, i cant remember what it is |
| 01:03:45 | webguest18 | & and probably Chinese traditional as well if MS Word can do the translation |
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| 01:06:14 | webguest18 | rasher: what do "changed description" and "changed source" refered to? Are they noted on the page? |
| 01:06:51 | * | petur wonders why H10 has no stop button... music keeps on playing |
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| 01:08:25 | linuxstb_ | petur: No pause either? |
| 01:08:33 | petur | pause is ok |
| 01:08:41 | linuxstb_ | The ipods are the same - no stop button... |
| 01:08:55 | rasher | webguest18: "Changed description" means that the "Desc:" line was different at the time of the last translation. The old value is mentioned in the red text |
| 01:09:36 | rasher | webguest18: basically you should just make sure that the input fields are translations of the text to the left of them |
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| 01:09:55 | rasher | webguest18: The red text is simply an explanation of what changed since the last translation |
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| 01:11:14 | * | petur stands corrected... holding play will stop music (investigating keymap iso reading manual) |
| 01:18:14 | petur | rasher: your translation page spits an error at the top, do you know? |
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| 01:20:24 | rasher | petur: no.. you may have loaded it in the middle of an upgrade - that might produce an error I think |
| 01:20:45 | rasher | .. and now I started another one. Oops. |
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| 01:28:36 | webguest18 | rasher: thanks, I already figured that out :) |
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| 01:31:39 | Merthsoft | anyone in here use the iRiver h10 20gig? |
| 01:32:51 | Merthsoft | Though it may not be that specific player... Basically what's happening is every few folders of music I copy onto my player, it freezes, and I get a "Path too deep" error, or something like that, then I have to unplug it and plug it back in, abnd the file transfers fine.... |
| 01:33:38 | Merthsoft | Any ideas? |
| 01:33:53 | petur | while copying files? |
| 01:34:05 | petur | PC -> player |
| 01:34:14 | Merthsoft | yeah |
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| 01:34:23 | Jel | huh... |
| 01:34:24 | Jel | hi |
| 01:34:36 | petur | that' with the H10 bootloader, not rockbox... |
| 01:34:53 | Merthsoft | Right, I just didn't know if anyone else had that problem |
| 01:34:55 | Merthsoft | and what I can do |
| 01:34:56 | Jel | Ho! hi can i ask you a question about Rockbox^ |
| 01:35:10 | petur | Merthsoft: how 'deep' is the path? |
| 01:35:18 | petur | and how long are the names? |
| 01:35:31 | petur | FAT32 has a limit on path/file length |
| 01:35:46 | Merthsoft | it's like... F:\Music\Phi-Life Cypher- Higher Forces\02-phi-life_cypher-seek_and_destroy-cms.mp3 |
| 01:35:58 | Merthsoft | and it transfers after I reset |
| 01:36:14 | petur | that shouldn't be too long |
| 01:36:24 | Merthsoft | yeah, and if it was I'd get that error all the time |
| 01:36:31 | petur | Jel: just ask, don't ask if you can ask |
| 01:36:38 | Jel | Can I put a Image as background... Im using a Sansa E260 and its working 100% |
| 01:36:39 | Jel | lol |
| 01:37:24 | petur | Jel: copy BMP of correct size to .rockbox/backdrops and then browse to it, context menu, set as backdrop |
| 01:37:48 | Jel | ok |
| 01:37:51 | Jel | thx |
| 01:37:54 | petur | np |
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| 01:38:16 | petur | Merthsoft: chkdsk the disk? |
| 01:38:21 | Merthsoft | hmm, ok |
| 01:38:29 | Merthsoft | good call |
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| 01:39:08 | petur | in USB mode, access is low level, windows (or linux, mac) is really doing the filesystem operations |
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| 01:39:42 | Merthsoft | I figured as much |
| 01:39:59 | petur | good luck |
| 01:40:02 | Merthsoft | thanks |
| 01:40:02 | petur | gtg |
| 01:40:07 | Merthsoft | ok |
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| 01:42:53 | Merthsoft | BigMac: Fianlly, now I know your nick in here |
| 01:43:17 | BigMac | Merthsoft: :) |
| 01:43:24 | Merthsoft | trying to hide from me |
| 01:44:00 | * | Merthsoft eats BigMac. |
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| 02:10:59 | Merthsoft | fuck |
| 02:11:01 | Merthsoft | still does it |
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| 02:13:07 | dnanar | hi all ! |
| 02:14:29 | dnanar | i have got a small question about rockbox and inforlmation wrote on a flac file : should i use old id3 tag system on my flac file or use the specialized system of flac (metadata ?) to store artist name, music name, etc... |
| 02:15:10 | linuxstb | You must use the native flac tags (vorbis comments) if you want the file to play in Rockbox. |
| 02:15:25 | linuxstb | Using id3 tags with flac is badness... |
| 02:15:38 | dnanar | ok. comments will be decoded by rockbox too ? |
| 02:15:55 | linuxstb | I believe so. |
| 02:15:55 | dnanar | i know but i preferred to ask before |
| 02:18:48 | dnanar | and, may i ask another question please: do you know a software under linux which rip a cd, compress files to flac and fill the vorbis comments please ? |
| 02:19:10 | iamben | yes i use flac w/ flac tags (vorbis comments as linuxstb said) all the time |
| 02:19:20 | rasher | dnanar: Sound-juicer, abcde |
| 02:19:28 | iamben | grip is also good |
| 02:19:36 | linuxstb | dnanar: grip works for me. But make sure it's not writing id3 tags... (it's an option) |
| 02:19:40 | iamben | or if you require "perfection", EAC runs under wine |
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| 02:23:32 | dnanar | linuxstb: i thought that we can only rip cd with grip and write id3tag : how to set to write vorbis comments please ? |
| 02:24:00 | dnanar | iamben: ok thanks for the confirmation =) and is album cover supported too ? |
| 02:24:33 | iamben | album art is not supported in default builds |
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| 02:24:47 | dnanar | ok |
| 02:25:02 | iamben | there are some custom builds with support though |
| 02:25:27 | dnanar | so to use |
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| 02:25:43 | linuxstb | dnanar: See this thread - http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=45939 - you need to pass the metadata to flac when it encodes the file. |
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| 02:25:53 | homielowe | Does anyone know if sansapatcher will reject an E200R or crash or something? |
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| 02:26:07 | dnanar | sorry bug |
| 02:26:22 | linuxstb | homielowe: I think it rejects it - there's no firmware partition visible on the disk. |
| 02:26:22 | chrisjs162 | homielowe: afaik it won't accept it (not sure though) |
| 02:26:30 | Llorean | It shouldn't even recognize it |
| 02:26:35 | dnanar | so tu use customized WPS with album art i need of a custom build ? |
| 02:26:45 | iamben | dnanar: correct |
| 02:26:50 | homielowe | linuxstb: chrisjs162: Llorean: thanks |
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| 02:27:01 | linuxstb | dnanar: (I think you missed this reply) See this thread - http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=45939 - you need to pass the metadata to flac when it encodes the file. |
| 02:27:17 | linuxstb | dnanar: And make sure you find and unselect the option to write id3 tags. |
| 02:28:17 | rasher | webguest18: thanks for the translation.. I'll have to see what I can do about committing half the patch. I may have to cut out parts of the work you've done to create a useful patch |
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| 02:29:37 | barrywardell | anyone with a sdhc and want to test a patch with their sansa? |
| 02:29:54 | dnanar | linuxstb: ah ok o can set metadata through flac command line ?! i think i'm going to read a bit more of flac man page =) thanks |
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| 02:31:27 | homielowe | lol seems we have found a vanilla another E200 labeled as an E200R, just put on the bootloader |
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| 02:35:32 | Llorean | homielowe: You bought it used/refurbished? |
| 02:37:04 | homielowe | Llorean: brand new from futureshop E280, there was a huge sale yesterday ( 10-20% off), actually its my brothers, it also is showing that weird red line syndrom at the top of the LCD now |
| 02:37:28 | DogBoy | oh I have that too |
| 02:37:28 | Llorean | Well, an actual "brand new" one would be a real rhapsody, though |
| 02:37:33 | DogBoy | the red line |
| 02:37:42 | Llorean | Does it claim to work with the Rhapsody service, and show the Rhapsody logo on boot? |
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| 02:38:23 | homielowe | Llorean: I think its just a mislabeled E200, and it doesn't display the Rhapsody |
| 02:39:11 | Llorean | Strange |
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| 02:43:46 | RxDx | how can i restore my ipod to factory defaults (original firmware again)? I am a linux user, so I dont have iTunes. |
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| 02:45:10 | homielowe | RxDx: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
| 02:45:27 | RxDx | thanks dude :) |
| 02:45:34 | homielowe | :welcome |
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| 02:49:10 | dnanar | and just another question about rockbox and flac please : on Cowon iAudio X7, can rockbox play gapless flac encoded with the "8 quality" please ? does it use much more battery ? |
| 02:50:25 | barrywardell | nobody with a high capacity microSD? The patch is FS #7634 if there is anyone |
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| 02:51:17 | chrisjs169 | SDHC support?? |
| 02:51:19 | Llorean | barrywardell: That was... fast |
| 02:51:40 | barrywardell | not tested yet though, so no guarantees I got it right |
| 02:51:49 | barrywardell | it was just a fairly small change though |
| 02:51:56 | barrywardell | chrisjs169: yes, hopefully |
| 02:52:15 | Merthsoft | In the file manager I selected the current firmware i'm using, and now I have a bright white screen, what can I do? |
| 02:53:51 | Merthsoft | nvm |
| 02:54:19 | Merthsoft | I still have this I/O problem though |
| 02:54:41 | Merthsoft | When I'm sending files to it, ti gets to a point where it just freezes and stopd sending |
| 02:54:49 | iamben | someone go buy microsd-hc card |
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| 02:56:09 | * | chrisjs169 orders a microsd-hc card |
| 02:56:22 | chrisjs169 | it could be here by tomorrow... |
| 02:56:26 | chrisjs169 | should i? |
| 02:56:51 | iamben | if theres a decent deal on one, i will |
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| 02:57:11 | * | chrisjs169 goes on to NewEgg |
| 02:57:12 | iamben | i could use one for my other little toy anyway |
| 02:57:38 | chrisjs169 | I could always use it for the camera I'm planning to buy |
| 02:57:56 | DogBoy | how big do the micro sd cards get |
| 02:58:21 | dnanar | linuxstb: i dont understand how to addd metadata through flac command line. I should use −−picture option ? |
| 02:58:33 | iamben | should be up to 8G for sdhc now |
| 02:58:49 | iamben | dnanar: i can give you my EAC flac command if you want |
| 02:59:21 | * | chrisjs169 's head explodes. NewEgg doesn't have Micro SDHC |
| 02:59:27 | iamben | dnanar: flac.exe -8 -V -T "ARTIST=%a" -T "TITLE=%t" -T "ALBUM=%g" -T "DATE=%y" -T "TRACKNUMBER=%n" -T "GENRE=%m" -T "COMMENT=EAC Flac 1.1.4 -8" %s |
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| 03:00:07 | iamben | of course those %a %s etc are eac specific, but grip should have something similar |
| 03:00:09 | barrywardell | chrisjs169: there's still no guarantee it will work until someone tries it |
| 03:00:12 | dnanar | ok thanks i'm loonking in the manpage for the options |
| 03:00:32 | DogBoy | barrywardell, maybe I can buy a big one at frys just to test and then return it |
| 03:00:33 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 03:00:56 | dnanar | aahh ok -T is the magic option iamben |
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| 03:03:07 | iamben | and i dunno about the iaudio, but on my sansa, flac -8 uses less cpu than my high bitrate mp3s |
| 03:04:26 | dnanar | ok |
| 03:04:51 | dnanar | and where to get a list of all the Vorbis comments field please ? |
| 03:05:45 | dnanar | ops http://reactor-core.org/ogg-tagging.html thanks =) |
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| 03:11:18 | qweru | barrywardell: just saw your comments and the patch, that was really quick! Concerning your comment about being untested and the possible data loss, does this mean you think I might brick my sansa when using it? |
| 03:11:46 | qweru | oh, he just left... |
| 03:12:13 | * | chrisjs169 backs up Sansa |
| 03:12:14 | Llorean | You wouldn't be able to brick your sansa |
| 03:12:16 | chrisjs169 | I'm gonna test it |
| 03:12:35 | Llorean | At worst you'd just need to restore it by some means, but it'd be restorable |
| 03:12:38 | Llorean | Corrupt disk, as it were |
| 03:12:44 | qweru | ok then I'm going to test it too |
| 03:13:57 | * | chrisjs169 backs up MicroSD card as well |
| 03:15:20 | iamben | chrisjs169: you testing w/ micro sdhc, or regular microsd? |
| 03:15:21 | Llorean | Good plan. :) |
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| 03:15:27 | LinkinXp | HI! |
| 03:15:30 | Llorean | chrisjs169: Are you familiar with e200tool? |
| 03:15:57 | Llorean | In the absolute *worst* case you might need to use it, but that's assuming that everything possible to go wrong does. |
| 03:16:21 | * | Llorean is betting on errors ranging from "nothing goes wrong" to "neither SD nor SDHC cards are read" |
| 03:16:59 | iamben | i'll try it out w/ a 1G sd |
| 03:17:25 | chrisjs169 | Llorean: yup - I've used/tested it many times |
| 03:18:23 | Llorean | chrisjs169: Good to hear. I've never actually messed mine up badly enough to need it, 'mself. |
| 03:22:01 | qweru | I have problems applying barrywardell's patch, it says it cannot find the file firmware/target/arm/sandisk/sansa-e200/ata-e200.c |
| 03:22:26 | qweru | but I cannot find a file ata-e200.c anywhere in the latest svn directory |
| 03:23:10 | Llorean | qweru: I have it. |
| 03:23:28 | iamben | patch applied fine here |
| 03:23:34 | Llorean | You checked out from svn? |
| 03:24:30 | qweru | yes I did a complete download using svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 03:24:55 | rasher | You're probably using a wrong -p line to patch |
| 03:25:20 | Llorean | qweru: And you've cded to firmware/target/arm/sandisk/sansa-e200/ and done ls and don't see the file there? |
| 03:25:35 | qweru | patch −−binary -p0 < ../sdhc2.patch |
| 03:25:52 | rasher | Which directory are you in? |
| 03:26:08 | Llorean | Is −−binary really appropriate with source code patches? |
| 03:26:09 | qweru | I tried from both rockbox and one above |
| 03:26:38 | qweru | there's no "firmware" subdirectory in rockbox |
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| 03:27:04 | chrisjs169 | qweru: where'd you get the source from? |
| 03:27:14 | Llorean | qweru: What subdirectories are there? Name a couple? |
| 03:27:26 | qweru | apps docs fonts rbutil tools and utils |
| 03:27:32 | evilsporkman | my ipod video mysteriously started data aborting whenever I try to actually play any music, but it works just fine when i play the files off of it in disk mode using a computer. any suggestions? I just deleted .rockbox and replaced it with the latest build. |
| 03:27:45 | iamben | chrisjs169: you try that patch yet? rb doesnt boot anymore on mine |
| 03:27:48 | Llorean | qweru: Sounds like your checkout didn't finish... |
| 03:27:49 | rasher | qweru: Then something went wrong. There should be a firmware subdir as well. |
| 03:27:56 | chrisjs169 | iamben: i'm still backup up my stuff |
| 03:28:05 | qweru | ok thanks will try again |
| 03:28:25 | qweru | I think I know why now |
| 03:28:39 | iamben | this is probably why barrywardell left, he didnt want us bothering him when it didnt work |
| 03:28:43 | evilsporkman | (it started doing this in june) |
| 03:28:45 | qweru | the root directory is 100% in use, ahem |
| 03:32:22 | rasher | evilsporkman: Did you get the right build for your player? |
| 03:32:38 | evilsporkman | rasher: it's a 30 gig ipod video, and i grabbed the 30 gig ipod video build |
| 03:32:42 | rasher | evilsporkman: That is, the 30GB build if you have a 30GB player |
| 03:33:08 | evilsporkman | rasher: just picked up the ipod and confirmed that it says "30 GB" on the back :) |
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| 03:33:47 | rasher | evilsporkman: And you have completely replaced both the rockbox.ipod file and the contents of the .rockbox directory? |
| 03:34:07 | evilsporkman | rasher: does rockbox.ipod belong in .rockbox or in the root directory? |
| 03:34:21 | rasher | I believe so, yes |
| 03:34:27 | Llorean | In .rockbox |
| 03:34:27 | scorche | evilsporkman: it belongs exactly where it comes |
| 03:34:50 | rasher | evilsporkman: perhaps you have an old rockbox.ipod in the root folder (it used to belong there) |
| 03:35:07 | evilsporkman | rasher: i noticed i had an old one in root and deleted it a while ago |
| 03:35:44 | evilsporkman | (by the way, I am a competent programmer but I'm stuck with Windows XP for the moment, just to give you the level of debugging help I can give) |
| 03:36:59 | qweru | The sd patch went through this time |
| 03:37:33 | chrisjs169 | qweru: any data loss? |
| 03:37:48 | iamben | even without the patch, i bet you wouldnt have gotten very far into the build with missing firmware/ =) |
| 03:37:50 | Llorean | iamben: After reverting to a non-patched build, any corruption? |
| 03:37:58 | qweru | it's still compiling, I'll know in 3 minutes |
| 03:38:08 | iamben | nah, all is well with my previously built rockbox |
| 03:38:31 | evilsporkman | rockbox.ipod is still happily sitting in .rockbox. I haven't touched the firmware in years; could that be it? |
| 03:40:59 | qweru | ATA error: -219 - Press ON to debug :( |
| 03:42:26 | iamben | you wanna update flyspray w/ that info, or should i? |
| 03:42:50 | qweru | no problem I'm going to paste it in |
| 03:43:31 | iamben | how do you paste from your sansa? =) |
| 03:44:35 | qweru | hehe I can't even seem to copy from KVIrc |
| 03:52:31 | qweru | It's booting fine again after I restored .rockbox |
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| 03:56:28 | iamben | im rebuilding the broken one again to make sure i got the same error as you, i didn't pay much attention |
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| 05:12:01 | homielowe | Isn't it redundant that under "Settings>Display>browse .wps files": compared to "Settings>Browse Themes". Also seems you can no longer load WPS's from the path |
| 05:16:25 | iamben | iiuc, you can use the WPS from theme A on theme B if you like |
| 05:16:26 | Soap | a theme can be more than a WPS |
| 05:21:56 | DogBoy | all they had at frys was 2 gig micro sd cards |
| 05:22:39 | scorche | well, a theme is always more than a wps |
| 05:23:08 | scorche | (minimalist theme is a wps and a cfg file) |
| 05:24:37 | iamben | hah, i respect your effort at least DogBoy |
| 05:24:59 | DogBoy | I got a 2 gig card |
| 05:25:04 | saratoga | newegg doesn't even have 4GB cards |
| 05:25:13 | iamben | they must not be in wide supply yet |
| 05:25:15 | saratoga | not sure where people are getting them from |
| 05:25:25 | DogBoy | they told me they have the 4 gig cards in their system but they have not come in yet |
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| 05:25:34 | iamben | but good news, sandisk has already announced 6G and 8G microsd-hc |
| 05:25:50 | iamben | in... june i think |
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| 05:26:12 | saratoga | they annouced the 4Gb ones in january or maybe earlier |
| 05:26:20 | saratoga | there seems to be quite a lag |
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| 05:29:00 | Merthsoft | BigMac: I finally got it working |
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| 05:48:37 | skyfaller | hey folks... I understand that Rockbox has a calendar application... is there any way to get it to sync iCal or Sunbird calendars with it? |
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| 05:57:14 | DogBoy | one way would be to write the code to do so |
| 05:58:33 | skyfaller | ... so there is no existing code that does it? Is there existing code that does something similar? |
| 05:59:02 | DogBoy | no idea |
| 05:59:18 | skyfaller | Is there a webpage about the calendar application? |
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| 06:00:01 | skyfaller | I see http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4760?histring=calendar but apparently that's a plugin which is different from the built-in calendar? |
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| 06:25:33 | amiconn | rasher: There are 2 PHP error messages at the top of your translation page. And the Simplified Chinese stats aren't updated... |
| 06:26:38 | amiconn | The page encoding seems to be wrong too |
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| 08:12:08 | * | amiconn wonders whether we should go 90MHz for CPUFREQ_MAX on PP5002 |
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| 08:24:32 | Ave | why go higher? is there a need? that'd just consume more energy |
| 08:25:29 | amiconn | It wouldn't consume more energy unless the extra cpu performance is actually needed |
| 08:26:03 | amiconn | It would help to avoid skipping with demanding codecs + tone controls |
| 08:26:20 | Ave | ah ok, so there is somekind of idle/sleep functionality also |
| 08:26:59 | Ave | I left a comment to the task 7510 |
| 08:27:16 | Ave | I'd wish that llorean tries his nano with vorbis also.. |
| 08:27:47 | Ave | as he has 0xc0005 also and he claims it works |
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| 08:30:35 | markun | Ave: we also have a idle/sleep function, but that's not the reason: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DynamicCPUFrequency |
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| 08:31:28 | markun | Ave: well, it's called "idle frequency" so I guess I should shutup ;) |
| 08:33:20 | Ave | right, the cpu freq is altered dynamically between some limits |
| 08:33:23 | amiconn | markun: I fixed the outdated value.... |
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| 08:52:56 | Llorean | Ave: I told you before, I tried it with Vorbis. I tried it with many formats. |
| 08:58:17 | Ave | oh sorry |
| 08:58:19 | Ave | didnt notice |
| 08:58:27 | Ave | interesting |
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| 09:20:48 | The-Compiler | Hi |
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| 09:38:02 | Zaphiel | Dobry, czy jest ktoÅ› kto pisze po polsku? |
| 09:38:30 | scorche | we speak english here |
| 09:38:39 | Zaphiel | ok :D |
| 09:40:40 | Zaphiel | So I have a question - where can i find a fonts that are i n rockbox but they "display" polish letters? |
| 09:40:51 | markun | preglow: not sure what this guy wants, maybe you can help? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12264.0 |
| 09:41:11 | Zaphiel | I know there is one - unifont but its big an not very nice like the others like nimbus |
| 09:43:20 | markun | Zaphiel: I'll update this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts |
| 09:43:33 | markun | or maybe you can try them all and check which work |
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| 09:44:36 | markun | Zaphiel: I suspect that they all support polish |
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| 09:51:16 | markun | Zaphiel: I think all fonts in here rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ which have Latin Extended-A |
| 09:55:31 | Zaphiel | okey thanks for help I'll try this |
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| 10:03:29 | Zaphiel | How to upload a FM presets to rockbox site? |
| 10:04:46 | markun | you create a wiki account and then ask for write permission here |
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| 10:04:59 | markun | after that you can attach a file to a wiki page |
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| 10:41:08 | preglow | markun: answered him |
| 10:41:31 | Zaphiel | I registered on wiki, and I'm asking for write permision. |
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| 10:42:51 | petur | so what's your wikiname? |
| 10:43:32 | petur | is it WojtekCzaderna ? |
| 10:45:18 | petur | I guess it is, write access granted... |
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| 10:45:51 | pondlife | petur: It's early... |
| 10:46:06 | scorche | pondlife: it's late... |
| 10:46:27 | * | pondlife eats breakfast and hands scorche a beer |
| 10:46:29 | petur | btw, somebody has been adding names to the bottom of the usersgroup page iso alphabetically sorted :( |
| 10:47:00 | scorche | petur: searched the diffs and found out who? |
| 10:47:22 | * | scorche raises his glass at pondlife |
| 10:47:39 | * | pondlife raises his spoon at the world |
| 10:47:57 | petur | scorche: no, refresh wiki cache and look at last changed page |
| 10:48:14 | petur | ah you mean the sorting |
| 10:48:26 | * | petur not awake too :) |
| 10:48:45 | petur | pondlife: there is no spoon |
| 10:49:39 | petur | scorche: btw, diffing that page is not usefull as all names are in one paragraph... |
| 10:49:49 | scorche | heh... |
| 10:50:20 | pixelma | but it could be noticable when new names are only appearing at the end, or? |
| 10:50:29 | petur | true |
| 10:50:59 | ddalton | I am adding an option to the main menu. I have added shutdown_option so now do I need to make a function called shutdown_menu? how does the option playlist_options work? Is playlist_options a function? |
| 10:51:17 | ddalton | I mean shutdown_option |
| 10:52:01 | Zaphiel | Thanks |
| 10:55:33 | amiconn | pondlife: Did you check the logs? Got a crash with dircache disabled - again in pcmbuf.c |
| 10:56:09 | ddalton | ok where is the file browser code? That might help me. |
| 10:57:11 | pondlife | amiconn: Yes, I saw. |
| 10:57:24 | pondlife | I still can't repro a crash (on sim or H300). |
| 10:58:14 | pondlife | Could you perhaps comment out the final call to talk_file(), leaving the directory search and buffer allocation in place? |
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| 10:58:46 | pondlife | Then see if that still misbehaves.. it probably won't (in which case we learn nothing), but you never know... |
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| 11:04:07 | amiconn | Not now, perhaps in the evening |
| 11:09:29 | ddalton | can someone tell me how make_menu works and how you add a menu option to it? |
| 11:12:09 | markun | JdGordon can probably tell you |
| 11:12:44 | B4gder | ... and not many others, as people hit that wall all the time... :-/ |
| 11:13:27 | JdGordon | :( |
| 11:14:02 | B4gder | macromania makes a tough read |
| 11:14:04 | JdGordon | ddalton: what do you want to do? |
| 11:14:39 | JdGordon | macros make it easier t read imo... just need some getting used to |
| 11:14:48 | B4gder | I disagree |
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| 11:18:25 | Zagor | macros make it easier to read for the author who created the macros, and harder to read for everybody else |
| 11:18:50 | Zagor | i.e. everyone has to learn the macros before they can read the code |
| 11:19:15 | Zagor | that's rarely a benefit, in my opinion/experience |
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| 11:19:58 | B4gder | yeah |
| 11:20:07 | B4gder | I usually fight against such stuff at work with force |
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| 11:20:30 | Zagor | JdGordon: dodgy connection? |
| 11:20:45 | JdGordon | no, dodgey login scripts... |
| 11:20:49 | markun | depends on the macro I think |
| 11:20:52 | Zagor | :) |
| 11:21:14 | markun | is someone writes "a = MAX(b, c);" it's quite clear I think |
| 11:21:17 | B4gder | sure, small convenience macros are fine |
| 11:21:29 | Zagor | markun: agreed |
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| 11:22:47 | markun | Zagor: but maybe that should be done with an inline function instead? |
| 11:23:04 | JdGordon_ | no more quit/joining |
| 11:23:48 | Zagor | markun: some macros are practically a part of the language already, like the MAX and MIN macros. no need to change those. |
| 11:24:16 | markun | IRC is lagging.. |
| 11:24:57 | Zagor | the problems occur when macros are used to hide what the code is doing. code hiding is never a good thing, despite what many OO/C++ zealots claim. |
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| 11:26:16 | pondlife | JdGordon: You quit/joined! |
| 11:26:27 | JdGordon | thats it.. im done for now |
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| 11:31:59 | JdGordon | ok, so going back t the discussino about multi-selections.... which way would be better to store the selection list... an array containig the indexes of the selected items? or an array where earch bit represents an item index and 1 means selected and 0 means not? |
| 11:32:40 | JdGordon | both ways need a sane maximum selection count, but the 2nd would allow for more... |
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| 11:33:25 | amiconn | The second is just a special case of the first. You could even code it the same by using bitfields |
| 11:33:51 | amiconn | But remind me, what do we need multiselect for? |
| 11:34:29 | JdGordon | we dont really... but it would be nice in the browsers |
| 11:37:05 | amiconn | What for? |
| 11:37:23 | JdGordon | adding mutliple tracks in 1 hit? |
| 11:37:30 | * | amiconn wouldn't like it added "just in case", only if there's a real application |
| 11:38:13 | JdGordon | it may make more sense to hack the browsers to store the selections instead of the list |
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| 11:39:03 | ddalton | JdGordon: Can you answer my question again? My connection dropped out. |
| 11:39:19 | JdGordon | whats the question |
| 11:39:19 | JdGordon | ? |
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| 11:40:04 | ddalton | Well I want to add an option to the main menu. It is shutdown. How do I make it shutdown the player? And how does make_menu work? |
| 11:40:16 | ddalton | shutdown is what it is called |
| 11:40:57 | JdGordon | if you want to add shutdown just change the config so HAVE_SHUTDOWN or whatever it is is defind |
| 11:40:58 | amiconn | JdGordon: Perhaps a select bit, like the talk clip indicator bit which also "mis"uses the attribute field already |
| 11:41:26 | ddalton | what about if it was a completely new option? |
| 11:41:33 | JdGordon | could do that, but would we want multiselect in any other list ever? |
| 11:41:35 | ddalton | I just want to know how make_menu works. |
| 11:42:04 | JdGordon | ddalton: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingTheMenuAPI |
| 11:42:22 | ddalton | ok but does bookmarks call a function? |
| 11:42:28 | pondlife | JdGordon |
| 11:42:47 | JdGordon | thats my name... dont wear it out :p |
| 11:42:49 | ddalton | it is in the make_menu thing in the root_menu.c |
| 11:42:50 | ddalton | file |
| 11:42:57 | pondlife | JdGordon: I'd just think putting it into the list code is needed anyway, assuming the browser uses the list to display. |
| 11:43:15 | pondlife | Otherwise, you'd end up with the browser having it's own dedicated list code, no? |
| 11:43:27 | pondlife | Better to only have the one "widget" |
| 11:43:41 | JdGordon | pondlife: well.. it might be cleaner adding it only to the browsers... but yeah. if it would possibly be wanted for other lists then thats not thebes place for it |
| 11:43:59 | pondlife | Do the browsers use the list code to display at the moment? |
| 11:44:03 | JdGordon | yes |
| 11:44:17 | pondlife | OK, so that's why you should be updating the list code. |
| 11:45:09 | pondlife | The new list API required should be an extension so non-aware code (i.e. nearly all of it) works the same, of course. |
| 11:45:49 | pondlife | You may want to check which targets can support a suitable shift button before you start, too. |
| 11:46:33 | ddalton | JdGordon I will look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingTheMenuAPI |
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| 11:47:43 | JdGordon | pondlife: well... i guess it would be all but the ondio, maybe this shuold be considered an alternative to the 1 button to add patches? and not for the generic lists |
| 11:48:19 | ie | Last night there was some talk about Sansa, how it supports micro cards etc. |
| 11:49:08 | ie | I'd probably get myself a sansa but its buttons are so ridiculously small :-/ |
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| 11:49:37 | ie | Nearly impossible to press without also pressing the wheel |
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| 11:50:45 | JdGordon | buttons are fine once you get used to it |
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| 11:51:04 | ie | JdGordon: can the be used single handed? |
| 11:51:10 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 11:51:13 | JdGordon | no problem |
| 11:51:23 | JdGordon | the rec button is the hardest to use with one hand |
| 11:52:27 | ie | But it's weird. It's a device for the masses (presumably) and they make me to get used to it instead of making it usable right from the beginning. Just because of the nice flat looking? |
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| 11:53:05 | JdGordon | I dont understand why you think its unusuable... I've never had a problem with it |
| 11:53:32 | ie | JdGordon: after you got used to it ;-) |
| 11:53:45 | * | JdGordon doesnt actually remember getting used to it |
| 11:53:51 | JdGordon | i mean, i dont remember needing to |
| 11:58:27 | * | petur thinks the H10 has the worst buttons he has seen so far... |
| 11:58:54 | * | JdGordon agrees with petur |
| 11:59:04 | JdGordon | although, i havnt had he mispleasure of using the h10 much |
| 11:59:26 | * | petur is using it today at work |
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| 12:00:27 | ie | Hmm... Look at these two offers: http://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-Sansa-e250-Player-Playback/dp/B000EWN5IS/ref=pd_bxgy_ce_img_a/026-0469938-3443652 and http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000MAOKZO/ref=s9_asin_title_1-1966_g1/028-6445294-5543717?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0GC4TATAPAQCZ86JK7Q6&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=125823091&pf_rd_i=301128 |
| 12:01:05 | petur | are there known ata issues on H10? I got a strange error while playing music about unable to write to file. But it continued without problem (wps was messed up though) |
| 12:01:12 | ie | Both are sandisk e250, but one is advertised as having FM and the other as having no FM. But do they differ in HW? |
| 12:01:35 | JdGordon | ie: yes, the EU one doesnt have the radio |
| 12:02:31 | ie | JdGordon: so the sell the US model in the UK amazon? |
| 12:02:43 | JdGordon | must be... |
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| 12:03:17 | ie | ...and with 50% price difference! Wow |
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| 12:08:39 | barrywardell | petur: no known issues. although I only ever test with my big H10 so things could be different for other models |
| 12:09:18 | bjerrk | Hi. I'm in the process of installing Rockbox on my 30 Gig iPod video (i'm using Linux). It seems to go just fine, until after i've formatted the ipod (from HFS+ to FAT32).. Then i get i "Can't read superblock"-error upon trying to mount the thing |
| 12:10:19 | petur | barrywardell: I'll have to chkdsk it then... |
| 12:10:24 | amiconn | barrywardell, petur: I didn't experience any ata errors on my H10/6 |
| 12:10:55 | bjerrk | :-( This i quite frustrating |
| 12:10:58 | petur | I do have last.fm support on - which was probably the one trying to write |
| 12:13:18 | amiconn | The playlist code also writes (to .playlist_control) |
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| 12:14:38 | petur | bah, that touchpad really needs some tweaking |
| 12:15:46 | bjerrk | Oooh! I found out myself.. |
| 12:15:56 | barrywardell | petur: there are some patches on the tracker, but they only made things worse for me |
| 12:16:15 | bjerrk | Seems that mkdosfs's -S switch (like this: mkdosfs -S 2048) did the trick |
| 12:16:39 | barrywardell | it seems to vary from each H10 - mine is quite OK, for some people it's much much worse |
| 12:17:14 | petur | maybe we need a touchpad calibration plugin ;) |
| 12:17:42 | JdGordon | settings go in the core.... |
| 12:18:08 | barrywardell | we need someone to figure out the ADC better. you can see in the I/O ports debug how jumpy things are! |
| 12:18:45 | petur | I didn't even see any relation to what I was doing with the touchpad.... |
| 12:20:03 | barrywardell | you need to treat it like two separate buttons... |
| 12:20:04 | petur | GPIO_D toggles a bit on touch but the ADC... |
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| 12:23:18 | bjerrk | Uh-oh.. I a "Can't load rockbox.ipod" error upon boot.. What could cause this? |
| 12:25:05 | bjerrk | the file is there... |
| 12:25:13 | bjerrk | in /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod |
| 12:25:48 | bjerrk | Any ideas? :( |
| 12:26:29 | linuxstb | bjerrk: People have reported problems with using mkdosfs and 2048-byte sectors. mtools seems to be the recommended formatting tool - see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 12:28:40 | bjerrk | linuxstb: Ah, darn. Thanks! I just thought that mtools was an MacOSX-only tool, as it was mentioned in a MacOSX-ish context :P |
| 12:29:39 | bjerrk | would it be okay if i used the mtools package from Debian, or do you recommend some patched version of mtools? |
| 12:32:21 | bjerrk | seems that the link on the wiki points to the vanilla sources, so i guess that i should be fine |
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| 12:34:42 | bjerrk | linuxstb: Upon issuing "mformat -t 2428 -h 255 -s 63 -S 2048 -M 2048 -F a:", mformat complains that "argsize must be less than 6" |
| 12:34:58 | bjerrk | linuxstb: Would that mean that i have to get rid of one of the command line args? |
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| 12:41:07 | bjerrk | seems that it's some quirk in the new version of mformat. Works with the old one |
| 12:41:15 | linuxstb | bjerrk: I'm not aware of any patched versions of mtools being needed - so the standard Debian version should be fine. I can't help you use it though (I've never needed it). |
| 12:41:46 | bjerrk | linuxstb: Thanks, i got it working. The Debian version was too new :-/ |
| 12:42:24 | bjerrk | Debian had XX.X.11, but the wiki recommended XX.X.10, and it didn't work with the XX.X.11 version.. |
| 12:44:28 | bjerrk | Damn.. how do i reboot out of disk mode? Menu + Select doesn't seem to work |
| 12:44:45 | bjerrk | oh... now it did.. funny |
| 12:45:04 | ddalton | yeah I think it needs a long press. |
| 12:45:52 | bjerrk | ddalton: Yeah.. but it kinda weird, 'cause sometimes it only need like a 4 second press.. |
| 12:46:00 | bjerrk | and now it seemed like 15 secs |
| 12:46:07 | bjerrk | must be my mind playing tricks on me |
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| 12:46:58 | ddalton | well is that when you are in disk mode? because it needs a long press for disk mode but to reboot I don't think it is as long. |
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| 12:47:05 | bjerrk | Okay, where do i drop the music, if i want rockbox to find it? |
| 12:47:09 | bjerrk | Yeah, i was in disk mode |
| 12:47:13 | ddalton | anywhere |
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| 12:47:48 | ddalton | not in a hidden folder or in your players music folder for the firmware it came with. |
| 12:47:50 | parafin | better drop it on player, this way there is much more chance for rockbox to find it ;) |
| 12:47:59 | bjerrk | ddalton: Okay... Mind you, i've never used an ipod before, and i've never used rockbox before.. |
| 12:48:07 | bjerrk | parafin: evil, evil man :P |
| 12:48:15 | ddalton | in /music if it doesn't exist |
| 12:48:20 | bjerrk | ddalton: Would /lol be okay? |
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| 12:48:24 | bjerrk | (for instance) |
| 12:48:45 | ddalton | yes but it is a strange name for a music folder. |
| 12:48:57 | bjerrk | Indeed. |
| 12:49:09 | bjerrk | So, i'm calling it "music" instead, i guess. |
| 12:49:11 | linuxstb | bjerrk: Rockbox has both a file browser and a tag-database. How you organise your music is up to you... |
| 12:49:42 | ddalton | the db uses the id3 info where the file browser is like windows explorer. |
| 12:50:08 | ddalton | yes you can call it what you want. Does a music dir exist already? |
| 12:50:13 | ddalton | what player is it. |
| 12:51:00 | ddalton | your using an ipod? Then /music will be fine |
| 12:51:37 | bjerrk | yeah, i'm using a 30 gig ipod video thingy |
| 12:51:46 | ddalton | yes that will work. |
| 12:51:54 | bjerrk | linuxstb: Okay.. Well, i prefer the tag-DB |
| 12:52:05 | ddalton | you can use both |
| 12:52:11 | ddalton | if you want |
| 12:52:12 | bjerrk | yeah yea, i figured.. |
| 12:52:57 | ddalton | if you use the db you need to make sure all your music has the correct id3 info. |
| 12:53:13 | ddalton | like track and artist and so on. |
| 12:54:08 | bjerrk | It does. I use a tag DB based media player daily |
| 12:54:17 | ddalton | ok then! |
| 12:54:39 | ddalton | I don't use it prefer the .talk clips over spelling. |
| 12:54:51 | bjerrk | Hm, is there any way to reboot the ipod in a nice and clean way? Through the menus or something.. |
| 12:55:15 | ddalton | reboot or shut down? |
| 12:55:26 | ie | Is there a RB wiki page with the playback durations for different devices? |
| 12:55:37 | bjerrk | ddalton: just reboot. |
| 12:55:43 | bjerrk | ddalton: to make the database work.. |
| 12:55:45 | B4gder | ie: yes |
| 12:56:09 | B4gder | see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BatteryRuntime |
| 12:56:12 | ddalton | just run rockbox.ipod |
| 12:56:27 | ddalton | Or turn off the player and turn it back on. |
| 12:56:33 | bjerrk | ddalton: Okay, how do i do that from rockbox? |
| 12:56:40 | ddalton | what? |
| 12:56:45 | ddalton | run rockbox.ipod? |
| 12:56:51 | pixelma | ie: the BuyersGuide also gives a quick overview |
| 12:56:52 | bjerrk | ddalton: using the reboot combo just seems.. harsh :P |
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| 12:57:16 | ddalton | Ok go to the file browser and select .rockbox and then rockbox.ipod. |
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| 12:57:22 | amiconn | bjerrk: Shut down and power on again |
| 12:57:23 | ddalton | You need to show all files |
| 12:57:44 | bjerrk | ddalton: Yeah, .rockbox is hidden (dotfile and all).. |
| 12:57:58 | bjerrk | Will i have to reboot every time i alter the DB? |
| 12:58:21 | amiconn | ddalton: Using RoLo isn't a nice solution. It's not 100% clean, and it might be that rockbox misbehaves afterwards (on ipods and other PP targets) |
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| 12:59:24 | parafin | press play until it shutdowns, than power on ipod by pressing select :) u think it's the cleaniest way |
| 12:59:40 | ddalton | doesnno |
| 12:59:41 | amiconn | yes |
| 12:59:44 | ddalton | yes |
| 12:59:51 | bjerrk | doesnno? :P |
| 12:59:58 | amiconn | Of course you can also use Menu for power on :) |
| 13:00 |
| 13:00:11 | parafin | really? :) |
| 13:00:19 | * | parafin goes to check it up |
| 13:00:26 | bjerrk | Okay, thanks.. Hm, how do i get back to the "play screen", when i'm at the main menu |
| 13:00:37 | parafin | press play |
| 13:00:39 | bjerrk | "now playing"? |
| 13:00:41 | bjerrk | ah.. |
| 13:00:50 | ie | B4gder, pixelma: thanks. Does sansa's runtime suffers that much when using RB? |
| 13:01:05 | pixelma | bjerrk: maybe reading the manual would be a good idea too? :) |
| 13:01:19 | bjerrk | pixelma: Manuals are for wusses ;) |
| 13:01:30 | bjerrk | No, really. I should go read the manual |
| 13:01:34 | ddalton | no actually u should read it |
| 13:01:46 | bjerrk | ddalton: se my last message.. :P |
| 13:01:48 | bjerrk | *see |
| 13:01:54 | ddalton | I know just read it |
| 13:02:11 | bjerrk | I need to read the manual for the ipod itself too... |
| 13:02:19 | ddalton | I am working on p6733 but couldn't see the point of a reboot function. Is there any point? |
| 13:02:21 | ddalton | in it |
| 13:02:23 | ddalton | ? |
| 13:02:53 | parafin | sometimes rockbox misbehaves |
| 13:03:08 | parafin | so it could be usefull |
| 13:03:17 | ddalton | no maybe just the rockbox one. Just learn the basics for the ipod and you should be fine. If you don't really use the apple firmware and just rockbox you can just read the rockbox one. |
| 13:03:30 | ddalton | I didn't read my iriver manual and I am doing ok |
| 13:04:13 | bjerrk | speaking of apple firmware. How do i boot the apple firmware? Not that i want to at present.. :P |
| 13:04:20 | bjerrk | oh.. the manual, right? |
| 13:04:24 | parafin | yep |
| 13:04:30 | ddalton | yes but I will tell you. |
| 13:04:50 | bjerrk | nice :P |
| 13:04:55 | ddalton | press the menu button and then flick the hold switch to the hold posision. |
| 13:05:17 | ddalton | when the apple logo comes up remove hold. |
| 13:05:42 | ddalton | and then just do a reboot to boot rockbox again. (menu and select) |
| 13:06:00 | bjerrk | Thanks :) |
| 13:06:06 | parafin | it's reset imho, not reboot :) |
| 13:06:10 | ddalton | I can't work out why my check out of rockbox takes so long. |
| 13:06:22 | ddalton | really? |
| 13:06:43 | ddalton | In p6733 they call it "Reboot" |
| 13:06:44 | parafin | well, menu+select is reset combo |
| 13:06:48 | ddalton | ok |
| 13:07:00 | ddalton | so how do I reboot then? |
| 13:07:09 | parafin | dunno |
| 13:07:22 | ddalton | ok doesn't really worry me at the minute. |
| 13:07:29 | parafin | i don't think there is such feature in apple firmware |
| 13:07:35 | ddalton | hey anyone got a simple feature they want added? |
| 13:07:58 | ddalton | I am not a very good coder. |
| 13:08:03 | bjerrk | how the **** do i exit rockpaint? :P |
| 13:08:26 | ddalton | don't no |
| 13:08:29 | bjerrk | :D |
| 13:08:30 | ddalton | don't know I mean |
| 13:08:36 | bjerrk | dammit.. |
| 13:08:54 | ddalton | try a long press of stop or a short press or menu |
| 13:09:01 | ddalton | short stop |
| 13:09:28 | bjerrk | "stop"? |
| 13:09:30 | parafin | ddalton, open cover.jpg from current dir by some way from WPS |
| 13:09:40 | ddalton | why? |
| 13:09:54 | bjerrk | oh" |
| 13:10:01 | pixelma | bjerrk: menu+select is an often used combo to exit a plugin |
| 13:10:01 | parafin | well, it would be nice feature :) |
| 13:10:05 | bjerrk | A short press on Menu+Select brings up the rockpaint menu |
| 13:10:13 | bjerrk | nice.. |
| 13:10:22 | ddalton | ok but im blind that's the only problem. |
| 13:10:27 | ddalton | what is the feature? |
| 13:10:28 | JdGordon | pixelma: its in the manual... if he doesnt want to read it i dont see why we should help him.... |
| 13:10:46 | pixelma | JdGordon: have you checked that rockpaint is in the manual? |
| 13:11:01 | JdGordon | well... no... but still :p |
| 13:11:03 | pixelma | I did... |
| 13:11:08 | * | JdGordon gets back to his assingments |
| 13:11:17 | parafin | ddalton, well, now you have to press select and find cover.jpg in filelist and press right |
| 13:11:35 | parafin | it would be nice to do it in one keypress |
| 13:11:44 | ddalton | and what should happen. I still don't understand the feature |
| 13:12:09 | parafin | well, cover art opens in fullscreen |
| 13:12:27 | parafin | i was told that there is such feature in original apple firmware |
| 13:12:46 | ddalton | make it open in full screen? |
| 13:13:00 | parafin | yeah |
| 13:13:34 | ddalton | I know sounds pretty easy. But if it uses an image it might be hard for me because I am blind and can't test. |
| 13:13:35 | ddalton | it |
| 13:13:56 | ddalton | can you make it full screen? |
| 13:13:58 | ddalton | at all? |
| 13:14:25 | parafin | there is jpeg viewer in rockbox |
| 13:14:37 | parafin | well, if you can't test, better smb else do it |
| 13:14:42 | parafin | me for example :) |
| 13:14:48 | ddalton | ok can you code? |
| 13:15:21 | parafin | yes |
| 13:17:41 | bjerrk | Is the battery time much better with the original firmware (on a ipod video 30G) than with the rockbox fw? |
| 13:18:00 | ddalton | yes but run battery bench and find out. |
| 13:18:23 | bjerrk | Doesn't that take forever? |
| 13:18:35 | ddalton | well do you want to find out? |
| 13:18:56 | bjerrk | Not if it takes forever. Forever is a long time.. |
| 13:19:06 | ddalton | but yes it runs the battery down until it is empty you need to play music and let it sit there. Probably close to 10 hours. |
| 13:19:22 | markun | if it takes forever it's a good thing :) |
| 13:19:50 | markun | amiconn: do you think you can increase the runtime like you did with the 1st and 2nd gen ipods? |
| 13:20:10 | bjerrk | and i just got my ipod with the mail, so i think that i want to try using it a little more before playing around with the battery'n'stuff. |
| 13:20:23 | ddalton | if I was looking at increasing battery time where should I look? |
| 13:21:17 | markun | ddalton: by looking at disassemblies of the original firmwares I think |
| 13:21:33 | markun | and figuring out how to disable unused parts of the chip |
| 13:21:45 | ddalton | where do I get that from? |
| 13:21:53 | ddalton | and it isn't in c right? |
| 13:23:21 | amiconn | markun: It's possible for sure. Whether I will be able to find out how is another thing |
| 13:23:34 | markun | no, it's ARM assembly code |
| 13:23:36 | amiconn | And btw, I also improved runtime for 3rd gen :) |
| 13:23:49 | markun | nice :) |
| 13:24:14 | markun | amiconn: is it more difficult to find out for the 4+ gens? |
| 13:24:20 | amiconn | It's actually two parts: Disabling unused parts of the chip, and finding out how to do disk poweroff |
| 13:24:40 | ddalton | where is the ARM assembly code |
| 13:24:58 | amiconn | The latter was already figured out for 1st..3rd gen by the ipl people, just not used before |
| 13:25:24 | dionoea | ddalton: in the apple_os.bin file ... once you run a dissassembler on it |
| 13:25:34 | amiconn | And it's GPIO, so it's simple. 4+ gen is not simple afawk |
| 13:25:40 | ddalton | how do you do that? |
| 13:25:40 | linuxstb | ddalton: This page may be helpful when talking about the original ipod firmware - http://ipodlinux.org/Firmware |
| 13:25:49 | bjerrk | Does rockbox generally have a better battery life than iPodLinux, or..? |
| 13:25:50 | amiconn | It's probably not gpio, but somehow controlled by the pcf |
| 13:26:12 | amiconn | bjerrk: Yes, but not very much on 4+ gen ipods |
| 13:26:43 | amiconn | On 1st..3rd gen it has *way* better battery lifetime than ipl, even reaching or exceeding OF runtime :) |
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| 13:27:39 | ddalton | ok |
| 13:28:17 | bjerrk | amiconn: Damn.. i should've bought a 2nd gen then |
| 13:29:16 | markun | bjerrk: until someone figures out the problem |
| 13:29:17 | dionoea | btw, anyone know if austriancoder managed to get his USB stack to work? |
| 13:29:21 | dionoea | (on target) |
| 13:29:37 | JdGordon | it works apparently, needs a msc driver now |
| 13:29:58 | bjerrk | frozen bubbles on the ipod. Nice. |
| 13:30:33 | dionoea | JdGordon: msc being ? mass storage something ? |
| 13:30:39 | * | amiconn wonders how complex an sbp2 disk device stack would be |
| 13:30:49 | ddalton | is there anything wrong with this? &playlist_options, &rocks_browser, &info_menu, &do_shutdown_item); |
| 13:31:01 | JdGordon | ddalton: no |
| 13:31:03 | JdGordon | dionoea: yes |
| 13:31:03 | ddalton | it is part of my code from the make_menu function. |
| 13:31:08 | DerPapst | sbl2? |
| 13:31:16 | DerPapst | *sbp2 |
| 13:31:36 | amiconn | Firewire |
| 13:31:50 | ddalton | JdGordon is that what you were trying to tell me to do before? |
| 13:31:53 | amiconn | Or rather, the logical protocol used on firewire |
| 13:31:56 | petur | dionoea: he's writing the UMS driver and making progress (so he says) |
| 13:31:57 | ddalton | About my shutdown question? |
| 13:32:05 | JdGordon | yes |
| 13:32:23 | dionoea | that's good news :) |
| 13:33:05 | petur | I also asked him to put his code online asap so we can start playing with it |
| 13:33:56 | dionoea | what target is his code supposed to work on ? all pp based players ? (well those using the pp usb controller) |
| 13:34:19 | DerPapst | yupp |
| 13:34:48 | amiconn | dionoea: PP502x only |
| 13:36:21 | ddalton | does the lng file use english.lang? |
| 13:36:32 | ddalton | files I meant |
| 13:37:36 | LinusN | english.lang is the master |
| 13:37:56 | LinusN | and is also builtin |
| 13:38:18 | LinusN | all untranslated strings fall back to english.lang |
| 13:38:20 | bjerrk | Okay, where does the Apple FW put the music files? |
| 13:39:03 | DerPapst | /iPod_Contor/Music/F[XX]/ |
| 13:39:30 | bjerrk | iPod_Conter? |
| 13:39:34 | bjerrk | Ah, Control? |
| 13:39:40 | ddalton | how do the lng files work? |
| 13:39:57 | bjerrk | Okay.. Must be because i havent put any music on it yet. That folder doesn't exist |
| 13:40:08 | LinusN | ddalton: the .lng files are binary versions of the .lang files, compiled by a perl script |
| 13:40:21 | ddalton | ok |
| 13:40:42 | ddalton | And they control what language menus are displayed in? |
| 13:40:45 | LinusN | ddalton: they consist of a table of pointers to strings, one for each LANG_ID |
| 13:41:05 | LinusN | each .lng file contains one language |
| 13:41:21 | ddalton | I don't know what that means but I haven't learnt pointers yet. |
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| 13:41:39 | petur | it should have been in that C book of yours |
| 13:41:59 | LinusN | it means that the .lng files contains the strings associated with the LANG_ID:s |
| 13:42:08 | ddalton | I am still reading it and doing a bit of coding on rockbox at the same time |
| 13:42:32 | ddalton | is there to much wrong with p7525 and p7561 |
| 13:42:38 | LinusN | a pointer is a variable that contains a memory address |
| 13:42:44 | ddalton | p7561 is my main patch |
| 13:43:25 | ddalton | ok I will read my c book and study pointers because from what I have heard they are quite complicated. |
| 13:43:36 | LinusN | 7525 looks ok to me |
| 13:43:58 | LinusN | ddalton: they are not complicated at all if you know how processors work |
| 13:44:07 | ddalton | ok |
| 13:44:35 | ddalton | what about p7561 because p7525 is very basic and pointless. Don't you think? |
| 13:45:48 | LinusN | 7561 looks good too, if you ask me |
| 13:49:15 | pondlife | ddalton: You lost the seconds? |
| 13:49:25 | * | pondlife is a slow reader... |
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| 13:49:46 | LinusN | i won't miss them |
| 13:50:24 | pondlife | Probably too late by the time they are voiced anyway |
| 13:50:42 | pondlife | As long as it's deliberate |
| 13:51:46 | LinusN | i believe it would only be annoying to hear the seconds every time you want to know the time |
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| 13:53:00 | Skellington | are there other bootloaders for rockbox? |
| 13:53:36 | scorche | using unofficial bootloaders can be quite dangerous on some devices, so not many, if any exist for a perticular device |
| 13:54:11 | pondlife | Hmm, who is PeterHerngaard and why did he break the table I put on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceFiles :/ |
| 13:54:36 | pondlife | Can I revert a wiki change? |
| 13:54:53 | Skellington | ok thanks |
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| 13:55:53 | scorche | pondlife: reverting on the wiki is typically just copying the raw code from a past revision as a new version |
| 13:55:58 | pondlife | OK |
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| 13:57:05 | ddalton | I removed the seconds because they have changed by the time you get to hear them and I found them anoying. |
| 13:57:20 | pondlife | No objection here, just checking it was intentional. |
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| 13:57:39 | ddalton | So I know there is no interest in this but what is stopping it from been commited? |
| 13:57:50 | ddalton | ok |
| 13:59:09 | ddalton | Pondlife: Why did you get the sapi5 thing on cygwin to remove the voice clips when done? Because if you are adding a couple of strings to english.lang it will take for ever to build again. |
| 13:59:22 | pondlife | It shouldn't do |
| 13:59:25 | ddalton | I think it is good that it cleans up but what do you think? |
| 13:59:34 | pondlife | Mine stay until I do a make clean |
| 13:59:47 | ddalton | hmmm it does here. |
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| 14:00:14 | pondlife | I need to look into why I can't get the pool feature working, might be related. |
| 14:00:28 | ddalton | so is no interest just stopping p7561 from been commited or is there bad coding. |
| 14:00:29 | pondlife | Then I'll be able to produce daily built voice files. |
| 14:00:43 | ddalton | I think I did a comment wrong but that is all I can think of. |
| 14:00:45 | LinusN | i think nothing is stopping us from committing those patches |
| 14:01:02 | ddalton | ok do you think the second one is any good? |
| 14:01:14 | LinusN | i'll do it tonight if nobody else beats me to it |
| 14:01:33 | LinusN | i think the second one is fine |
| 14:01:46 | | Part fles |
| 14:02:09 | ddalton | o cool if you want I just thought it is a nice small feature for blind users. |
| 14:02:12 | ddalton | Like myself |
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| 14:17:29 | parafin | how about commiting p4840 and p7174? |
| 14:17:45 | JdGordon | 7174 sounds familiar... which is that? |
| 14:18:11 | parafin | Chessbox - Store game history in PGN format |
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| 14:28:05 | bjerrk | Hm, how do i play videos on my ipod with rockbox? |
| 14:28:16 | petur | rtfm |
| 14:28:21 | petur | rtfw |
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| 14:28:39 | parafin | it's too slow on ipod video for actual use imho |
| 14:29:04 | bjerrk | petur: Yeah, fuck you too.. |
| 14:29:08 | bjerrk | parafin: Okay, darn.. |
| 14:29:28 | bjerrk | I haven't tried playing videos using the official fw either, tough.. |
| 14:29:31 | bjerrk | *though |
| 14:29:39 | parafin | me too :) |
| 14:29:39 | jbit | the apple firmware uses the super DSP chip |
| 14:29:52 | jbit | rockbox can't use that (yet?) |
| 14:29:57 | petur | bjerrk: thanks for the kind words, now go read manual/wiki anyway |
| 14:30:17 | scorche | jbit: a bit of docs would be nice... |
| 14:30:25 | jbit | docs are overrated |
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| 14:30:41 | markun | bjerrk: the 'f' stands for 'fine' ;) |
| 14:31:04 | scorche | if docs are so overrated, then feel free to figure out the chip |
| 14:31:11 | chrisjs169 | Did I miss a fight or somthing...? |
| 14:31:31 | parafin | what do you think about p3031? |
| 14:31:36 | jbit | scorche: i plan to :) |
| 14:31:48 | parafin | imho it's much more usable that way |
| 14:31:48 | jbit | one of the reasons i started playing with rockbox/ipl/etc |
| 14:31:54 | * | scorche awaits the patch =) |
| 14:32:15 | jbit | scorche: i'm busy with work right now, but i'll be on it afterwards :) |
| 14:32:19 | jbit | the chip facinates me :) |
| 14:32:26 | jbit | it's pretty fast and has 10mb embedded ram... |
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| 14:33:16 | parafin | jbit, it can be used only for video, or for smth else too? |
| 14:33:38 | gunk | I'm trying to use ipodpatcher on an ipod whose hard drive I just replaced |
| 14:33:53 | gunk | and I'm getting [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting., even when I try to -wf rockbox.ipod |
| 14:34:06 | gunk | is there any other way to get the firmware on there? |
| 14:34:28 | gunk | or is the lack of copyright unrelated to the replaced hard disk? |
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| 14:34:51 | parafin | it's related |
| 14:35:10 | parafin | apparently |
| 14:36:03 | gunk | I've followed the instructions at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 , but using linux instead, if that makes a difference. |
| 14:36:25 | amiconn | On ipod you can't start from an empty hdd |
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| 14:36:54 | amiconn | You need to have the correct partitioning and the apple fw partition in place |
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| 14:37:07 | gunk | yeah, that's all been taken care of |
| 14:37:09 | linuxstb | gunk: You need a working ipod - i.e. one that boots into the Apple firmware. |
| 14:37:18 | gunk | damn |
| 14:37:24 | * | JdGordon would very much like austraiancoder to join... |
| 14:37:31 | parafin | gunk, i think dump of firmware partition may help |
| 14:37:41 | parafin | i mean from working device |
| 14:37:44 | linuxstb | gunk: The IpodManualRestore wiki page will help. |
| 14:37:44 | * | chrisjs169 agrees with JdGordon |
| 14:37:49 | gunk | so I need to get grab my wife's ibook, use that to restore it to hfsplus, then convert that to fat32? |
| 14:37:58 | linuxstb | Not at all. |
| 14:38:22 | gunk | linuxstb: ah, thatl looks perfect. |
| 14:40:08 | ie | JdGordon: you use the sansa player quite often, right? What do you think about (a) runtime with rockbox and (b) its size. Isn't it too big/heavy? I'm about to buy one but still unsure. |
| 14:40:50 | JdGordon | ie: its my main player now... a) i dont use it more than a few hours a day, so can charge it overnight and not have a problem, b) the only target smaller is the nano |
| 14:41:34 | amiconn | JdGordon: really (b)? I would think the Ondio is smaller (and lighter) too |
| 14:41:42 | pixelma | one could discuss that |
| 14:41:49 | JdGordon | ive never held an ondio |
| 14:41:52 | JdGordon | so i dont know |
| 14:41:56 | B4gder | yeah ondio is indeed much lighter |
| 14:42:08 | B4gder | 40 vs 70 grams roughly, iirc |
| 14:42:32 | JdGordon | my phone and keys are heavier than my sansa... so really it makes no difference in my pocket |
| 14:42:41 | ie | JdGordon: but having to charge every day is no fun (also for the accum.) |
| 14:42:54 | B4gder | but then the ondios are also tiny storage wise |
| 14:42:58 | pixelma | nah, I don't think it differs that much with batteries but didn't measure |
| 14:43:12 | ie | B4gder: are they still sold? |
| 14:43:23 | pixelma | B4gder: with a 4GB MMC it has more storage than the nano |
| 14:43:24 | B4gder | not new, no |
| 14:43:31 | amiconn | Ondio is 60g |
| 14:44:00 | amiconn | Nano 42g |
| 14:44:07 | B4gder | ah, nano it was |
| 14:44:21 | gunk | does simply removing DATA+ and DATA- from the usb headers make a usb port equivalent to a charger for purposed of restoring the firmware, or do I actually need to hunt around for the wall charger? |
| 14:44:24 | amiconn | Sansa weight is missing here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 14:44:42 | pixelma | ie: but the Ondio is hwcodec, so only mp2/mp3 (and wav, currently through a plugin) |
| 14:44:48 | B4gder | 75 grams |
| 14:44:50 | ie | B4gder: I assume you only consider "RB capable" daps. There are many stick daps that are smaller. I know nothing about the sound quality though |
| 14:45:04 | linuxstb | gunk: I don't know - you could try it... |
| 14:45:09 | B4gder | I only consider rockbox targets of course |
| 14:45:41 | JdGordon | ie: also, those stick ones will be <=2gb capacity, and still have to charge every night |
| 14:45:47 | | Part LinusN |
| 14:46:30 | ie | JdGordon: how often do you have to feed it with music? I mean, are 2 GB enough? |
| 14:47:09 | JdGordon | i have 22gb of music.. so no, 2gb isnt enough, i have 2 igb micro's which i keep with me always, and i only really listen to 5gb of music, so its not too bad |
| 14:47:19 | * | JdGordon would kill for a 32gb microsd |
| 14:47:26 | ie | BTW: I'm very sorry for the offtopic discussion. If it's not desired here, I'll stop it. |
| 14:47:40 | pixelma | ie: there are Sansa with up to 8GB internal memory + microsd |
| 14:48:01 | B4gder | they're even dirt cheap these days |
| 14:48:08 | ie | pixelma: that's what I consider: 2 GB or 4 GB dap |
| 14:48:11 | JdGordon | not the 8gb ones |
| 14:48:25 | B4gder | they go for not much more than 150USD |
| 14:48:34 | B4gder | that is dirt cheap |
| 14:48:43 | ie | B4gder: cheap means for you under ...? (please fill in the ...) |
| 14:48:47 | JdGordon | $280+ aud |
| 14:49:01 | ie | B4gder: where? |
| 14:49:17 | B4gder | http://www.gizmosforgeeks.com/2007/07/30/why-i-picked-the-sansa-e280-as-my-latest-mp3-player/ |
| 14:51:09 | JdGordon | damn, ok, that is cheap |
| 14:51:17 | JdGordon | no aussie stores stock it at that price |
| 14:51:31 | chrisjs169 | doesn't the sansa have six buttons? (select, left/right/up/down, and power) |
| 14:51:41 | JdGordon | and rec |
| 14:52:08 | chrisjs169 | yeah |
| 14:52:24 | chrisjs169 | DeviceChart only says five |
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| 14:54:35 | B4gder | written by a fool no doubt! |
| 14:55:27 | B4gder | now it says 7 |
| 14:55:54 | chrisjs169 | ok, that's better |
| 14:56:17 | ie | B4gder: hmm... is it possible to let the US amazon ship it to Europe? The $/EUR ratio would make a big difference... |
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| 14:58:03 | dionoea | I'm sure that amazon would add 20% VAT if shipping to Europe (well, the percentage might depend on your country) |
| 14:58:56 | B4gder | they can't charge VAT for other countries |
| 14:59:19 | B4gder | but I guess you risk having to pay that taking it "through the borders" |
| 14:59:31 | dionoea | they charge customs fees (or your country's customs do) |
| 14:59:36 | B4gder | yes |
| 14:59:41 | B4gder | or may at least |
| 14:59:43 | dionoea | which are roughly equivalent to the VAT |
| 14:59:51 | gunk | linuxstb: it's working perfectly now, thanks for the help. |
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| 15:00:04 | gunk | I was worried that I'd need to use a mac or windows for a second. |
| 15:00:04 | B4gder | in sweden I believe you get to pay VAT and customs |
| 15:01:06 | B4gder | the e280 seems to be available for roughly 170 euros in europe |
| 15:01:57 | B4gder | 156 to be exact |
| 15:02:02 | dionoea | that's kind of outrageous when you think about it. 1 Euro costs 1.349 USD |
| 15:03:15 | B4gder | german VAT is what, 19%? I figure there's no VAT on the amazon prices? |
| 15:03:29 | B4gder | not that it explains the whole diff but... |
| 15:03:34 | parafin | is there any way to sort tasks in tracker by time of last comment? |
| 15:03:42 | dionoea | in france it's 19,6% (and prices are listed with VAT included on amazon.fr) |
| 15:04:08 | Zagor | parafin: no |
| 15:04:12 | B4gder | dionoea: I searched for cheapest e280 in europe and found a german site at 156 |
| 15:04:25 | parafin | that's very bad |
| 15:04:33 | Zagor | parafin: reverse-sort your mailing list archive :-) |
| 15:04:41 | Zagor | I wouldn't say "very" |
| 15:04:56 | parafin | hm, comments goes to mailing list? |
| 15:04:56 | B4gder | we should have that supported in a future version of flyspray |
| 15:05:03 | JdGordon | parafin: you can.... go into event list or whatever its called |
| 15:05:10 | Zagor | parafin: yes, all flyspray activity does. check the mail page. |
| 15:05:11 | B4gder | since if we enable it now, flyspray goes down on its knees |
| 15:06:02 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?events%5B%5D=1&events%5B%5D=13&events%5B%5D=4&fromdate=&todate=&event_number=20&project=1&do=reports&submit= |
| 15:06:25 | ie | I'll probably buy the 4GB one and then, if that will not be enough, will add an SD card |
| 15:06:56 | petur | ie: I had to upgrade from 40 to 80GB :p |
| 15:07:17 | B4gder | that's a mighty big microsd card! ;-P |
| 15:07:36 | petur | I'll get a sansa if they make those ;) |
| 15:07:53 | petur | or rather not.. no line-in... |
| 15:08:34 | parafin | JdGordon, link doesn't work, may be this function is limited to developers or smth |
| 15:08:58 | JdGordon | click event log at the top of the tracker page |
| 15:09:30 | qwm | scorche: how you doin'? |
| 15:10:44 | parafin | JdGordon, there is no such link |
| 15:11:17 | JdGordon | oh well... |
| 15:11:26 | preglow | how big do microsd cards get? |
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| 15:11:43 | chrisjs169 | qwm: I believe scorche is sleeping |
| 15:11:46 | B4gder | microsdhc is at 4GB now |
| 15:12:34 | preglow | has that got an artificial limit? |
| 15:12:38 | JdGordon | samsung apparently have an 8gb one |
| 15:13:01 | B4gder | preglow: not really there is a limit but that's way higher |
| 15:13:21 | B4gder | since the hc is block access and not direct address |
| 15:13:24 | preglow | ahh |
| 15:13:25 | preglow | cool |
| 15:13:31 | preglow | microsd is capped at 2 gig? |
| 15:13:49 | B4gder | I believe there is a theoretical 4gb one but I don't think they're made |
| 15:13:53 | ie | petur: I don't record that much, I only listen to the music |
| 15:15:07 | rasher | Sandisk is producing 6 and 8gb sdhc cards. |
| 15:15:14 | B4gder | micro? |
| 15:15:17 | rasher | (but not selling yet) |
| 15:15:19 | JdGordon | 5gb microsd is 95aud! |
| 15:15:20 | B4gder | aha |
| 15:15:24 | rasher | http://www.sandisk.com/Corporate/PressRoom/PressReleases/PressRelease.aspx?ID=3868 |
| 15:15:25 | JdGordon | bloody expensice |
| 15:15:34 | JdGordon | no, sdhc |
| 15:15:38 | JdGordon | microsdhc |
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| 15:15:52 | rasher | B4gder: maybe your contact could provide some! |
| 15:16:17 | B4gder | I very much doubt that... especially since hte OF doesn't even work with them |
| 15:16:20 | rasher | Although that will probably be counter-profitable for them (helping Rockbox support microsdhc) |
| 15:16:34 | amiconn | B4gder: Consumer prices must include VAT in germany. And yes, it's 19% (since 2007) |
| 15:16:49 | JdGordon | rasher: either way it would sell sansas for them.... |
| 15:17:13 | B4gder | amiconn: thanks, that's what I thought |
| 15:18:14 | amiconn | Buying something from outside the EU creates the risk that you have to pay customs + VAT (had that with my H340 from Switzerlang - grr) |
| 15:18:23 | amiconn | *Switzerland |
| 15:18:46 | JdGordon | only if you declare it... |
| 15:19:08 | rasher | JdGordon: if it's shipped, they may "declare" it for you |
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| 15:19:17 | rasher | At least that's how it works here. |
| 15:19:37 | B4gder | yeah here too |
| 15:20:13 | * | JdGordon going to bed |
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| 15:21:56 | ie | What lives longer: a HDD or a built in flash? Same careful handling of course. |
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| 15:23:26 | preglow | oh, i'd say flash |
| 15:23:36 | preglow | hands down |
| 15:23:42 | B4gder | the ssd harddisks have far longer mtbf |
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| 15:26:10 | rasher | Even more so for a DAP which does few writes |
| 15:28:35 | ie | ok. And the last question: do flash players (e.g. the sansa) tolerate shaking? I.e. is it safe e.g. to go jogging with it? |
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| 15:29:05 | B4gder | they do |
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| 15:30:35 | ie | B4gder: thanks! Have you implemented the switchable table with build sizes btw? |
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| 15:31:09 | B4gder | no, I'm working on some sort of way to present all info at once |
| 15:31:24 | B4gder | currently like this => http://build.rockbox.org/dev2.cgi |
| 15:31:38 | B4gder | which shows the deltas as an average of the bin and ram changes |
| 15:32:49 | ie | Many builds do we have I'd say! |
| 15:33:06 | B4gder | yes, they make you dizzy at times... |
| 15:33:41 | ie | But as a dev, you need to see them all, right? |
| 15:34:38 | B4gder | yes |
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| 15:34:50 | B4gder | we need to provide the overview |
| 15:34:55 | divo | Hey |
| 15:35:06 | B4gder | so that you can take a quick glance to see the current state |
| 15:35:09 | ie | Are there people interested only in a part of the table? |
| 15:35:32 | ie | E.g. "their" port? |
| 15:35:33 | B4gder | well, the top line is the most important of course since that's the most recent change |
| 15:35:54 | divo | My sensa e280 running rockbox, has some strange pixel flicker in top of the screen. Is there something to do about it? |
| 15:35:56 | B4gder | I don't think so, since most often they're fairly sure of their "own" port |
| 15:36:20 | chrisjs169 | divo, there's a patch for it in the tracker |
| 15:36:30 | divo | Ah thanks |
| 15:36:44 | chrisjs169 | divo, you'd need to compile rockbox yourself though |
| 15:36:55 | divo | Uff |
| 15:37:03 | chrisjs169 | divo, PM |
| 15:37:05 | ie | B4gder: I mean vertically −− to see not all builds but only ipod (e.g.) |
| 15:37:35 | B4gder | ie: no, people need to see them all to make sure they didn't break the others, or make them grow a lot all of a sudden or similar |
| 15:38:15 | B4gder | the ones they don't need to see very much are the greens or possibly the non-redd |
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| 15:39:24 | ie | B4gder: another idea: show only the bin deltas and add a button that would show ram deltas in a smaller font. Those raws would be invisible when the page is initially displayed |
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| 15:44:15 | ie | B4gder: back to the sansa (the really last time): they all are USB devices, not MTP, right? |
| 15:44:20 | preglow | both |
| 15:44:29 | preglow | it's user selectable in a menu |
| 15:44:52 | ie | preglow: in the OF? |
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| 15:45:57 | preglow | aye |
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| 15:46:54 | ie | So the OF is used to transfer the files to the dap? |
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| 15:47:39 | ie | This is not described in the manual (how to transfer files to the dap) |
| 15:48:11 | linuxstb | ie: Yes, you need the OF for transfers. Easiest way is to turn your Sansa off, then insert USB cable, then turn it on. It will then start the OF. |
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| 15:49:48 | ie | linuxstb: thank you! |
| 15:51:05 | rasher | pondlife: do you have sapi4 available? |
| 15:52:13 | ie | I think, in a few days there will be one more RB user with Sansa dap :-) |
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| 15:54:47 | rasher | Anyone with SAPI4 voices, could you test this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7578#comment17298 |
| 15:56:22 | petur | ie: USB within rockbox is a GSoC project on which austriancoder is working |
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| 15:59:44 | B4gder | barry seems to rock |
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| 16:00:00 | B4gder | (FS #7634 - SDHC support) |
| 16:00:20 | rasher | Yup |
| 16:00:22 | rasher | Very nice work |
| 16:00:47 | B4gder | the fact that the OF doesn't grok this is... very amusing |
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| 16:01:08 | rasher | To say the least. |
| 16:01:27 | thegeek | hehe |
| 16:01:33 | thegeek | sdhc support is pretty nice |
| 16:01:46 | thegeek | 8+8 gb |
| 16:01:47 | rasher | Not a particularly large patch either |
| 16:01:55 | pondlife | rasher: Sorry, not ignoring you - network woes... |
| 16:02:07 | pondlife | rasher: No, no SAPI4 here |
| 16:02:20 | B4gder | of course, our thanks should also be directed to MrH for that |
| 16:02:25 | petur | sounds like food for slashdot if that patch works ok :) |
| 16:02:30 | thegeek | indeed |
| 16:02:56 | thegeek | it seems we owe MrH a lot of thanks |
| 16:03:05 | B4gder | indeed |
| 16:03:09 | thegeek | mysterious though he is;P |
| 16:03:21 | B4gder | every single rockbox on sansa user owes him at least one beer |
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| 16:03:27 | thegeek | :) |
| 16:03:43 | linuxstb | B4gder: Wouldn't that kill him?... |
| 16:03:45 | pondlife | Lots of beer |
| 16:04:01 | thegeek | is he affiliated with sansa/sandisk in any way? |
| 16:04:07 | B4gder | linuxstb: he could builds a small fortress out of them! |
| 16:04:15 | rasher | I hate it when commercial websites are internally inconsistant. "SAPI 5.0 has been released and is available at http://www.microsoft.com/speech". Then go there, and it's a 404.. |
| 16:04:28 | B4gder | thegeek: he says he's not |
| 16:04:32 | B4gder | and I believe him |
| 16:04:34 | thegeek | hehe, ok |
| 16:04:56 | thegeek | if he was it would be pretty nice of them (seeing as how they "supported" rockbox and alL) |
| 16:05:07 | pondlife | rasher: I think that's a failure on MS part - the URL is normally as you say... |
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| 16:07:20 | pondlife | rasher: http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms717236.aspx might help you (if it works and doesn't send you back to ../speech) |
| 16:08:08 | rasher | I've found a place where I can get the sapi4 sdk, but I don't really fancy installing all sorts of development tools |
| 16:08:38 | pondlife | It's not a lot of stuff |
| 16:09:02 | rasher | It'll have to do |
| 16:09:21 | pondlife | http://www.o2a.com/SpeechDownload.htm ? |
| 16:09:42 | pondlife | Nope, passworded |
| 16:10:16 | pondlife | 7.6MB of SAPI4SDK is available though! |
| 16:10:41 | amiconn | B4gder: PP5020 target users also owe MrH something |
| 16:10:52 | pondlife | A glass of wine, perhaps? |
| 16:11:01 | rasher | I'm getting the SDK suite, which is 40mb.. |
| 16:11:06 | pondlife | Wooah |
| 16:11:07 | rasher | And includes a TTS engine |
| 16:11:57 | rasher | Ah, found one: http://www.microsoft.com/msagent/downloads/user.aspx#tts |
| 16:13:09 | rasher | I believe those are sapi4 engines. |
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| 16:16:48 | preglow | i have to reveal something |
| 16:16:53 | preglow | i am mrh! |
| 16:17:03 | preglow | now, i would like my thank you gifts in the form of beer |
| 16:17:08 | petur | no, you're not getting that beer! |
| 16:17:09 | B4gder | hahah |
| 16:17:21 | pondlife | No, *I* am Mr H, and so's my wife. |
| 16:17:33 | B4gder | you need to prove it to us by showing the secret hand shake |
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| 16:17:51 | pondlife | The Sansa Secret Shake |
| 16:18:08 | B4gder | yes, it involves Thumb B-] |
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| 16:21:35 | chrisjs169 | lol |
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| 16:26:39 | sdf | hi |
| 16:27:10 | sdf | does there exist any fix for the sansa lcd bug?? |
| 16:27:26 | B4gder | there's a patch in the racker |
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| 16:27:53 | sdf | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7438 <−−- thisone?? |
| 16:29:25 | sdf | can anyone tell me how i can apply this patch?? |
| 16:29:55 | chrisjs169 | sdf: get a copy of the source code and you can patch it |
| 16:30:04 | * | amiconn wonders what a racker is :P |
| 16:30:16 | chrisjs169 | sdf: there's also builds on anythingbutipod.com and the Rockbox forums that have that patch. |
| 16:30:32 | B4gder | amiconn: sop easing me ;-P |
| 16:30:51 | petur | sk sk sk |
| 16:31:01 | sdf | link? |
| 16:34:11 | chrisjs169 | sdf, http://forums.rockbox.org and http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=72 |
| 16:34:22 | sdf | thx |
| 16:35:16 | chrisjs169 | no problem |
| 16:37:30 | sdf | k works great thx a lot cu |
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| 16:56:23 | ie | Is it possible to rotate the image in the jpeg viewer by 90 degrees? |
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| 17:21:51 | markun | ie: no, but would be nice |
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| 17:25:04 | ie | markun: thanks for the info. The implementation could apply the rotation as the last step, right? I'm not going to implement it, just thinking aloud. |
| 17:27:06 | amiconn | It would be better to rotate in-plcae while decoding |
| 17:27:12 | amiconn | *in-place |
| 17:27:14 | markun | indeed |
| 17:27:51 | markun | or have rotation in the LCD driver |
| 17:27:58 | amiconn | ? |
| 17:28:15 | markun | like the gigabeat has for video playback |
| 17:28:24 | amiconn | That's a different thing |
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| 17:29:05 | amiconn | Rotation in the driver would be impossible for greyscale targets |
| 17:29:48 | amiconn | ...because the jpeg viewer uses the grayscale lib. And even for text it would be very costly because of the pixel packing |
| 17:30:08 | markun | yes, didn't think about that |
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| 17:40:11 | hodernflechter | hello together |
| 17:42:20 | hodernflechter | I have installed RockBox on my 5.5G IPod. |
| 17:42:39 | hodernflechter | and I like it. |
| 17:43:05 | hodernflechter | but have a problem. It does not work with the iPod-adapter in my volkswagen. |
| 17:43:19 | dionoea | yup, that's not available yet |
| 17:43:33 | dionoea | we don't know how to communicate with accessories using the serial port |
| 17:44:02 | hodernflechter | hm. is there a "beta" or something that i can test? |
| 17:44:03 | dionoea | It might be possible one day ... but you shouldn't count on it |
| 17:44:07 | dionoea | no |
| 17:44:12 | dionoea | we don't know how to do it |
| 17:45:27 | dionoea | it's not that it's not implemented |
| 17:45:27 | dionoea | there is no documentation for the ipod's hardware so everything needs to be reverese engineered from the original apple firmware |
| 17:45:27 | dionoea | which isn't easy at all |
| 17:45:27 | hodernflechter | i can imagine that this isn't easy... |
| 17:45:32 | dionoea | (I'm currently having a look to get it to work with my apple remote, but i can't say if i'll succeed or not) |
| 17:49:49 | dionoea | and then I'll need someone to give me a car with iPod support so I can test 0:-) |
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| 17:56:21 | preglow | petur: heard anything from ac on usb progress? |
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| 18:00:12 | petur | preglow: nope, I mailed him to get online |
| 18:01:26 | Soap | hodernflechter, does nothing work with your stereo adapter at all, or does audio-out work and volume control? |
| 18:01:45 | preglow | he should appear around now, yes... |
| 18:02:01 | Soap | hodernflechter, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories is the wikipage for know IpodAccessories |
| 18:02:40 | Soap | if you don't feel like filling it all in yourself based upon your experiences, please feel free to PM me here or in the forums with _all_ relevant details to fill in the chart and I will do so with you. |
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| 18:12:08 | hodernflechter | Soap: thank you for the link. don't have the model number of the volkswagen ipod adapter here, so I can't give you the model number etc.... |
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| 18:40:08 | polygonal | What's the difference between the debug functions like DEBUGF, logf, snprintf, etc.? |
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| 18:41:22 | polygonal | seems like DEBUGF prints out if I started sim from windows commandline |
| 18:41:39 | polygonal | but where does logf print out to? |
| 18:41:41 | Domonoky | DEBUGF only works on simulator (and on targets with serial support, only some archos), logf is the new debug function, works also on target (it makes a log, or prints to the remote |
| 18:42:32 | Domonoky | for logf you have to configure your build with logf support, and then you can see the log under debug. (or on the remote on hxx players) |
| 18:42:55 | polygonal | how to configure? |
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| 18:43:39 | Domonoky | when you configure rockbox, choose debug and the you can choose a logf build, i think.. |
| 18:46:10 | polygonal | okay, found it, it's under advanced |
| 18:47:30 | polygonal | so I can enable logf support even in a normal build? and view logf info on my dap? |
| 18:48:04 | Domonoky | logf works on the dap |
| 18:49:15 | polygonal | what does snprintf do then? is it a debug function at all? |
| 18:49:52 | Domonoky | no, thats a normal c function.. like printf but works on string.. |
| 18:50:58 | polygonal | okay thanks |
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| 19:09:26 | webguest17 | argh, another day without any message from Austriancoder.. :) |
| 19:09:52 | webguest17 | austriancoder: If you see this, please tell us something about your progress and SHOW US THE CODE! :) |
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| 19:27:40 | dionoea | anyone familiar with assembler: what's the point of doing lines 5 and 6 in http://rafb.net/p/0K2t3c38.html ? |
| 19:33:43 | Ave | wild guess, the ldr could set some flag that str is not setting.. |
| 19:35:28 | chrisjs169 | I just got a stack overflow |
| 19:35:37 | chrisjs169 | with only the SDHC patch |
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| 19:38:39 | dionoea | Ave: maybe, but why would they re-str it afterwards ? (that could be part of a confirmation or something ?) |
| 19:39:20 | linuxstb | dionoea: Where's that code from? |
| 19:39:30 | dionoea | the apple OS (for G5) |
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| 19:39:43 | chrisjs169 | When there's a stack overflow, don't they usually say which stack overflowed? |
| 19:39:46 | dionoea | well ... a dissassembly of the apple os |
| 19:41:02 | Ave | dionoea: or maybe they are just losing a cycle or two for kicks |
| 19:41:17 | dionoea | that would be weird :) |
| 19:41:23 | Ave | insanely useful |
| 19:42:06 | Ave | I hope someone in the knowledge figures it out |
| 19:43:43 | dionoea | It's not that I really care :) I was just puzzled by what appeared to be useless |
| 19:45:17 | Ave | well crank out the cpu data sheet and look up what the instructions do on registers for example |
| 19:45:47 | linuxstb | Ave: You mean that PortalPlayer datasheet dionoea is hiding under his bed? |
| 19:46:01 | dionoea | ;) |
| 19:46:18 | dionoea | I wouldn't be reading some obscure asm if i had it |
| 19:46:47 | linuxstb | dionoea: Are you looking for anything in particular, or just bored? |
| 19:47:59 | dionoea | I want to get the serial port in the dock to work in order to use the FM radio in the apple remote. |
| 19:48:17 | Ave | heh right |
| 19:48:22 | dionoea | That sounds insanely hard given my knowledge of ARM |
| 19:48:24 | Ave | but arm is arm.. |
| 19:48:54 | Ave | or is the portalplayer arm core modified somehow? on basic instruction level |
| 19:49:13 | linuxstb | dionoea: Have you looked at the IPL code? Apparently there's a (non-working) serial driver for the PP5020 in the kernel. |
| 19:49:30 | linuxstb | That should at least point you in the direction of which registers might be applicable. |
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| 19:50:08 | linuxstb | Ave: Yes, the PP chips have standard arm7tdmi cores, but the code dionoea pasted is writing to PP-specific hardware registers. (the 0x7000000 address range) |
| 19:50:15 | dionoea | yup, those are exactly the registers I was looking for |
| 19:50:30 | dionoea | the 0x70000014 and 18 are used in the IPL code |
| 19:50:54 | linuxstb | Do you have any hardware hooked up to your ipod to see if the serial port is working? I don't mean accessories... |
| 19:51:38 | dionoea | unfortunately no :/ So it's kind of a blind trial and error. (most probably error in the long run ... but we can always hope) |
| 19:52:15 | dionoea | I'd need to buy a small connector and the appropriate electronic to hook it up directly to a computer |
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| 20:00:57 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Hi. How are things going? |
| 20:01:16 | Nico_P | hi. I'm on vacation ATM |
| 20:01:42 | Nico_P | I haven't done any more than what's already available |
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| 20:03:29 | preglow | linuxstb: you think we should put some effort into merging wmadeci.c with ffmpeg wmadec.c? |
| 20:03:54 | Nico_P | linuxstb: any interesting talk I might want to look at, knowing I don't have much time ? |
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| 20:04:28 | linuxstb | Nico_P: You're asking about IRC logs? |
| 20:04:37 | Nico_P | linuxstb: mainly, yes |
| 20:04:57 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I can't think of anything really. There was some general SoC chat this morning. |
| 20:05:21 | Nico_P | ok |
| 20:05:42 | linuxstb | Or maybe yesterday... |
| 20:05:44 | * | linuxstb looks |
| 20:06:40 | linuxstb | Nico_P: See yesterday's log from around 9.10am |
| 20:06:56 | Nico_P | ok, thanks |
| 20:06:58 | parafin | where is version in code saved? |
| 20:07:09 | parafin | which is showed during boot |
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| 20:09:23 | linuxstb | preglow: It would be nice, but I'm not sure that would be straightforward. But at the very least someone could email the ffmpeg mailing list to make sure their devs know what's been done. |
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| 20:12:09 | Nico_P | linuxstb: what did pondlife think wrong in my diff comment of http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox.git?a=commitdiff;h=8642aa889d0c06e806aa23cb403d36f183867fdc ? |
| 20:12:20 | Nico_P | too many things in one commit ? |
| 20:12:36 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I've no idea... |
| 20:13:06 | Nico_P | I thought you might have known... |
| 20:13:48 | preglow | linuxstb: saratoga has been corresponding with them a fair bit |
| 20:14:08 | linuxstb | Privately? I can't recall seeing anything on the ffmpeg-dev mailing list. |
| 20:18:29 | preglow | on the list |
| 20:21:37 | Nico_P | GodEater: I see you and pondlife were a bit confused over my repos... I attempted to explain them in my wiki page (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MetadataOnBuffer). |
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| 20:22:17 | Nico_P | GodEater: I have one complete rockbox repo with a not-very-advanced "mob" branch, and a Rockbox-MoB repo with only the buffering code |
| 20:23:14 | * | Nico_P has to be off now |
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| 20:24:23 | preglow | anyone know what is the shiznit in the aac encoder world these days? |
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| 20:27:42 | Merthsoft | If I am making a plugin, do I run make in my normal build directory, or in the plugin directory? |
| 20:29:21 | Domonoky | Merthsoft: in the normal build dir.. and you have to add you plugin to the SOURCES file.. |
| 20:29:29 | Merthsoft | ok |
| 20:29:30 | Merthsoft | thanks |
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| 20:37:34 | parafin | so where is stored version string? daily snapshots has rockbox-date version , while svn checkouts only rockbox- |
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| 20:39:12 | bluebrother | Domonoky: hi ... |
| 20:39:38 | Domonoky | hi bluebrother, i just commited something for the themes :-) |
| 20:39:43 | bluebrother | that hovering of the unscaled preview looks somewhat strange |
| 20:40:27 | * | Domonoky though hovering would be a better way to show it, than a button.. |
| 20:40:42 | Domonoky | or do you mean, that the window doesnt have a frame ? |
| 20:41:17 | bluebrother | yes −− it overlaps with the scaled image and you can't find it's "edges" |
| 20:41:32 | bluebrother | I thought about something similar to the way amarok does it for covers |
| 20:41:45 | bluebrother | open a new window which only contains the image |
| 20:42:42 | bluebrother | or put it into some kind tooltip box ;-) |
| 20:43:10 | Domonoky | if you change the setWindowFlags() call in preview.cpp you can get the windowframe back :-) |
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| 20:46:57 | bluebrother | hmm. Can I put it into a tooltip easily that way? |
| 20:48:40 | bluebrother | still looks strange to me :/ |
| 20:48:56 | Domonoky | hm, i dont think its easy to put an image into a tooltip.. |
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| 20:49:29 | Domonoky | bluebrother: if you just remove the setWindowFlags() its shows the normal dialog border.. |
| 20:50:44 | [IDC]Dragon | hi Rockbox! |
| 20:50:53 | [IDC]Dragon | sorry to bother OT, I need a regexp advice |
| 20:51:17 | [IDC]Dragon | (for Perl) |
| 20:52:07 | [IDC]Dragon | can I do a regext which breaks at whitespace, but not if that whitespace is somewhere inbetween sharp brackets < > ? |
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| 20:52:42 | saratoga | linuxstb: i've just posted about wmadeci.c in the fixed point thread on the ffmpeg mailing list |
| 20:52:43 | KWhat | [IDC]Dragon: are you in the right channel |
| 20:52:46 | saratoga | no where else |
| 20:53:13 | saratoga | they're working on writing a fixed point library for developing audio codecs |
| 20:53:24 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm abusing a channel full of smart people ;-) |
| 20:53:27 | bluebrother | [IDC]Dragon: I guess you could group the expression and use on that |
| 20:53:27 | saratoga | so i sent them what i'd done, as some of it was farther along then what they had |
| 20:54:28 | saratoga | i think if their project pans out,merging the code in would be somewhat easier, as they would define standard interfaces for the mdct, fft, etc |
| 20:54:40 | saratoga | otherwise, i'd still like to merge what i have anyway |
| 20:55:04 | saratoga | though i'm still aware of 2-3 bugs i'd like to squish before we think of doing that |
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| 20:55:37 | saratoga | LSP decoding still sounds poor on a small fraction of files |
| 20:55:54 | Domonoky | bluebrother: i added a groupbox around the label in the preview dialog, then it has little grey border when shown without windowborders... |
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| 21:07:04 | Domonoky | bluebrother: should i commit this preview with goupbox border, or do you want to rework the preview completly ? |
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| 21:08:43 | bluebrother | hmm, not sure. Maybe just commit it, we can change it later anyway ;-) |
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| 21:17:16 | Domonoky | bluebrother: is the second theme preview image also aviable for rbutilqt ? |
| 21:18:43 | Domonoky | ie, does the rbutil.php script also output the link to this second preview image ? we could use it in the splash preview :-) |
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| 21:35:47 | parafin | what's up with website? |
| 21:35:47 | parafin | it doesn't work |
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| 21:35:47 | bluebrother | no, the second preview isn't used |
| 21:35:47 | bluebrother | but I could extend it. |
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| 21:46:35 | qweru | My 4 GB SHDC card is now working in my Sansa e280 :) |
| 21:47:07 | qweru | Thanks to the patch that Barry posted yesterday. |
| 21:48:32 | qweru | microSDHC* |
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| 21:58:31 | preglow | cool! |
| 21:59:08 | preglow | rockbox rules |
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| 22:02:36 | qweru | Yes, even SanDisk doesn't support this card with their original firmware. |
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| 22:03:01 | qweru | oops |
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| 22:04:19 | villadelfia | hello, I want to upload a wps. Could I get write permission? (I am RandyThiemann) |
| 22:04:36 | petur | sure |
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| 22:05:39 | petur | villadelfia: done |
| 22:05:53 | villadelfia | thanks |
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| 22:28:05 | rasher | Bagder: I see you closed FS #7611, but I don't see the fix? |
| 22:28:24 | Bagder | it was mentioned in the close request to already have been fixed |
| 22:29:19 | rasher | well, it isn't |
| 22:29:21 | Bagder | by Alessio Lenzi, and I thought he had this subject under control |
| 22:30:13 | * | Bagder re-opens |
| 22:30:15 | rasher | Well, something's up |
| 22:30:18 | rasher | Hang on |
| 22:30:41 | rasher | Too late. Well I'm not quite sure what's going on |
| 22:31:16 | * | petur fixed TwikiUsersGroup and hopes people keep it sorted from now on |
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| 22:32:18 | Bagder | petur: seen #7594 ? |
| 22:32:25 | Bagder | you closed it as fixed a week ago |
| 22:32:36 | rasher | Looks like the voice strings are using different encoding from the regular strings |
| 22:32:39 | Bagder | now the user wants to re-open since "the typo is back" ? |
| 22:32:41 | rasher | Whic is.. confusing |
| 22:32:53 | Bagder | rasher: ouch |
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| 22:33:03 | petur | errr.. I committed a fixed version |
| 22:33:26 | petur | somebody didn't update before committing again? |
| 22:33:32 | rasher | Or maybe they were different, and converted to be utf8. |
| 22:33:35 | maddler | evening all... |
| 22:33:51 | rasher | Take a look at for example LANG_CAR_ADAPTER_MODE - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/italiano.lang?revision=14408 |
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| 22:34:19 | rasher | You may have to force utf8 encoding in your browser |
| 22:34:33 | Bagder | petur: we can blame bluebrother ... |
| 22:34:34 | rasher | This was correct in r14158 |
| 22:34:42 | Bagder | bluebrother: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/rbutil/rbutilqt/rbutilqtfrm.ui?r1=14319&r2=14368 |
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| 22:35:00 | petur | heh |
| 22:35:04 | Bagder | bluebrother: re-introduced the typo in FS #7594 |
| 22:35:13 | rasher | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/apps/lang/italiano.lang?r1=14158&r2=14245 This is where things went pear-shaped |
| 22:35:38 | * | petur fixes it again just for the ohloh stats :) |
| 22:35:51 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:35:56 | rasher | And now I have to fix polski and chinese-simple automatically, somehow |
| 22:35:58 | Bagder | the entry is open again too |
| 22:36:05 | petur | ok |
| 22:36:17 | parafin | does ipod suppose to shutdown if it's charging? |
| 22:36:18 | rasher | The translators didn't move strings as the langv2 rework told them to |
| 22:36:33 | parafin | i mean it shouldn't shutdown |
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| 22:41:16 | * | bluebrother returns and notices the diff link ... |
| 22:41:19 | bluebrother | oops :) |
| 22:41:54 | * | petur throws some typos at bluebrother |
| 22:42:04 | * | bluebrother ducks |
| 22:42:08 | petur | too late |
| 22:42:09 | Bagder | petur - bluebrother, 1 - 0 |
| 22:42:15 | bluebrother | damn. |
| 22:42:31 | * | petur wants a beer :p |
| 22:42:35 | Domonoky_ | petur: feel free, to fix more then typos in rbutil :-) |
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| 22:42:51 | Bagder | more than _the same_ typo even ;-) |
| 22:43:00 | bluebrother | should I reintroduce it again? |
| 22:43:06 | petur | hey this was during tracker cleanup week... |
| 22:43:08 | Bagder | hehehe |
| 22:43:17 | bluebrother | so we need another cleanup week ;-) |
| 22:47:41 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: what do you think, how far is it, till we replace rbutilwx ? :-) |
| 22:47:41 | bluebrother | well, caching is still missing. |
| 22:47:41 | rasher | What is the caching supposed to achieve? |
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| 22:47:41 | bluebrother | something I want to look into the next days ... I just was really busy until tonight |
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| 22:47:41 | bluebrother | looking for a job can be quite ... time-consuming :) |
| 22:47:41 | Bagder | having a job can be too ;-P |
| 22:47:49 | bluebrother | indeed. Let's see when I get a paid job. |
| 22:47:50 | petur | heh yeah |
| 22:48:04 | bluebrother | (someone has job suggestions for me? ;-) |
| 22:48:31 | petur | ask amiconn, he seems to have lots of time |
| 22:48:45 | Bagder | the german Haxx department is too small to hire at this point ;-) |
| 22:48:48 | bluebrother | rasher: the idea is that you can avoid getting each file every time −− f.e. the preview images for theme installation |
| 22:49:15 | bluebrother | damn. Tell me when you start hiring :D |
| 22:50:15 | petur | bah, H10 debug menu uses more lines than fit on the screen |
| 22:50:26 | petur | for 5GB |
| 22:50:47 | petur | what was iriver thinking when they selected this screen |
| 22:51:39 | Llorean | "It's small, and cheap, at the same time! Do it!" |
| 22:52:01 | Bagder | "but hey, with colours present whose gonna notice?" |
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| 23:35:11 | * | petur is confused.. is rockbox.mi4 on the H10 always to be copied to /system and not into .rockbox? |
| 23:35:33 | Bagder | no... |
| 23:35:48 | Bagder | the mi4 in /system is the bootloader I would assume |
| 23:36:08 | petur | what I thought... |
| 23:36:31 | petur | but after unzipping my build it still boots the one of yesterday |
| 23:36:36 | rasher | Phew, think I managed to fix both the broken polish language, and the chinese-simplified patch |
| 23:42:15 | petur | hmmm I think I have the wrong bootloader? it's the same size as a normal build |
| 23:42:45 | Bagder | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/iriver/ |
| 23:43:03 | Bagder | should be 50K it seems |
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| 23:44:26 | * | petur stupid... |
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| 23:46:52 | pixelma | Llorean, Bagder: I think I saw something what the OP did wrong in the X5-Thread but I'm not a 100% sure and if it comes to firmware flashing I'd rather be a bit carefull with advice... |
| 23:48:10 | Llorean | I'm not familiar with the x5 install process. Is the x5 firmware file supposed to be in a folder? |
| 23:48:18 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:48:32 | Llorean | He lists it as simply "being on his x5" |
| 23:48:35 | Bagder | I don't recall the exact details |
| 23:48:40 | Llorean | I think he means it's in the root. |
| 23:48:58 | Bagder | in the FIRMWARE directory |
| 23:49:43 | Llorean | seems like we have a lot o "brickings" today. |
| 23:49:45 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot#Installation is the url |
| 23:49:50 | Llorean | Have we been run in a new magazine or anything? |
| 23:50:04 | pixelma | he also names it "x5.fw" - shouldn't it be "x5_fw.bin" |
| 23:50:16 | Bagder | yes it should |
| 23:50:31 | Bagder | we'll get there within the next 100 posts ;-O |
| 23:50:50 | pixelma | ok, I'll post what I had prepared |
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| 23:53:25 | Bagder | goodie |
| 23:54:03 | petur | wow, this touchpad needs some serious filtering, no wonder things bump around like mad |
| 23:55:17 | petur | what a bad design, touching the sides gives the same effect as moving up |
| 23:55:46 | pixelma | in the OF? |
| 23:55:55 | petur | rockbox |
| 23:56:06 | petur | they probably filter it |
| 23:57:57 | pixelma | IIRC rockbox doesn't use it the same as OF yet (with sliding and stuff like that) |
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