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#rockbox log for 2007-08-21

00:00:15Bagderwitz: ipodpatcher should probably be run as root, to save you from some trouble
00:00:27*Terinjokes doesn't understand why we use Windows Bitmap for images
00:00:31linuxstbwitz: ipodpatcher needs write permissions on the raw disk device (e.g. /dev/sda)
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00:01:04BagderTerinjokes: because it is an uncompressed format and it works?
00:01:32linuxstbAnd it's easy to create and easy to parse.
00:01:37peturbarrywardell: ac mailed me he created a tar.gz but it wasn't attached to the mail and it isn't on his site
00:01:41amiconnpetur: Did you try the ums conversion?
00:01:57peturamiconn: yes I'm on UMS now
00:02:11peturthe trick was to go to us-mtp first
00:02:18amiconnwee, so that multi-step conversion works
00:02:29rasherpixelma: ah yes, I see it now.. it looks like something that might be my fault, to be honest
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00:02:52amiconnThe only disadvantage now is that you can't help with figuring out the radio
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00:03:00pixelmarasher: hopefully an easy fix
00:03:11witzBagder : I ran the bootloader script. What do I do now from here?
00:03:29linuxstbwitz: Are you following the steps in the manual?
00:03:32Bagderwitz: this is all described very fine in the manual
00:03:34peturI also don't like the touchpad, way too sensitive (in rockbox, of is usable)
00:03:45amiconnBut I guess that's a job for barrywardell or me. You'll do the wasabi thing meanwhile ;)
00:04:02barrywardellamiconn: in theory the radio should be easy - it's the same as the h300. but I couldn't get any response from it
00:04:05amiconnThe pad isn't fully figured out yet
00:04:18witzYes I am following the instructions from the manual. Just I last time I tried installing rockbox with no luck.
00:04:33barrywardellyeah, for the pad we need a better understanding of the ADC
00:04:34amiconnbarrywardell: I intend to look into these things as soon as I get the more important ones done.
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00:04:38linuxstbwitz: A basic install is just two steps - run ipodpatcher and unzip
00:05:00barrywardellamiconn: I've done some OF re wrt the ADC
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00:05:10barrywardellfound what looks like the read function
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00:05:38amiconnUnfortunately the H10 or sansa OF disassemblies aren't as easy to understand as apple OF disassemblies
00:05:52witzwait... so I first run the bootloader scipt then put in the extracted files into the ipod? Or extracting first then running the script is fine?
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00:06:23Terinjokeswitz: order doesn't matter
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00:07:05witzSo now I need to unmount the ipod, and turn it on?
00:08:41linuxstbsaratoga: (for the logs) Do you have a test WMA file with multiple payloads per audio packet? I can't seem to find one...
00:10:09barrywardellamiconn: for when you get around to it, here's what I found so far in the US2.51 OF:
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00:12:53witzlinustb : Cool the ipod booted into rockbox. Can I boot back into the ipod firmware or I have to uninstall rockbox? And I already have music still on the apple firmware. Can I play music from it? Thanks for the help :)
00:14:35Terinjokeswitz: yes, you can reboot into Apple firmware
00:14:39rasherpixelma: ah not my fault, he simply didn't follow orders
00:15:04Terinjokeswitz: yes, you can play music copied from iTunes (as long as it is un-DRMed)
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00:15:52witzTerinjokes : How do I boot back into apple fireware? The keys? where do I go to play the music?
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00:16:11Bagderyou go to the manual
00:16:15Terinjokeswitz: in the future, read the documentation
00:16:48Terinjokeswitz: shutdown rockbox (hold down play), and after it shuts off, press select and then flip the lock to "locked"
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00:17:50Terinjokes(up until a few days ago, i was still using the old method... of fastly hitting menu or something... i love this new way :P )
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00:18:07qweruHello and good evening, I have a problem with my newly purchased 4GB micro sd card in my Sansa e280 - it won't recognize it. Does anybody know if 4GB cards are supported as I could not find much about this on the net?
00:18:21BagderI don't think so
00:18:28Bagderthat's a sdhc, right?
00:19:14qweruI tried a very recent version of rockbox (2 days old) and the origial firmware - neither shows any of the mp3's that I have copied onto it.
00:19:17Bagderwell, you should probably ask sandisk to start with
00:19:28witzTerinjokes : Okey I'll go and read the Docs... I got too excited about rockbox :) Thanks for your help anyway!
00:19:42Terinjokeswitz: no problem, and welcome to the family
00:19:56rasherBagder: you'd have thought that they of all manufacturers would support the latest and greatest in flash storage
00:20:16Bagderpossibly they do with an upgrade or similar
00:20:23qweru... especially I bought the original sandisk ....
00:20:29LloreanWell, my understanding is that SDHC generally merely requires a "firmware upgrade" of the device/reader/whatever
00:20:52qweruah ok
00:20:52Bagderyes, but I think that's also depending on how it is connected
00:21:19LloreanI'm sure some can't be upgraded, since the firmware that's controlling access isn't somewhere that can be rewritten.
00:21:36iamben_doesnt rockbox handle all that though?
00:21:49TerinjokesLlorean: in today's age of technology, it's pretty sad that's the case
00:22:00Bagderiamben_: not of the hw isn't connected in a way that won't work with sdhc ;-)
00:22:03Bagdernot if
00:22:09amiconnWell, it depends on how the sd slot is connected in the sansa
00:22:13Bagderdarn, I can't type today either
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00:22:42LloreanTerinjokes: That statement doesn't make a lot of sense. There's often a lot of embedded software that can't be upgraded.
00:22:43amiconnIf it uses sd mode, it should be possible, if it's spi mode, it might be possible but not work with all cards (afaiu)
00:23:11Terinjokesbut consumer technology moves at such a fast pace...
00:23:16amiconnIirc I read that sdhc cards aren't required to support spi mode anymore (unlike MMC4.2 cards)
00:23:39LloreanTerinjokes: There's the key word: Consumer. The intent is for you to consume, and replace, the technology.
00:23:43Terinjokes(especially since the average joe doesn't know one thing from another)
00:23:56amiconnSo the Ondio wil support MMCs > 4GB - hopefully shortly after I get hold of such a card
00:23:59Bagderthe average joe hardly upgrades his devices anyway...
00:24:04iamben_is the e200 the only rockboxed device that has an sd slot?
00:24:09Terinjokes(in fact, i still use a digital camera that writes to a floppy)
00:24:11Soapand price = sales. Futureproofing =/= sales
00:24:14Bagderiamben_: microsd, yes
00:24:19qweruI tried to look it up on sandisk's website bu they don't mention the maximum size or mode, they just say that it can be expanded via micro sd. I guess I will have to write to them as bagdr suggested.
00:24:23amiconn(but the MMC-USB bridge will not - similar situation to other targets and >128GB HDDs)
00:24:26rasherApparently the "Sansa View" is going to include sdhc when released.
00:24:44rasherBut that's regular SD, it seems
00:24:54Lloreanqweru: Well, "MicroSD" is considered different than "MicroSDHC"
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00:25:04iamben_i've only got 1G microsd or i'd look into this further
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00:25:38amiconnTheoretically 4GB SD should not require the SDHC standard, just fat32 instead of fat16
00:25:40Bagder"microSDHC cards will only be supported by the e200 plus, which just was released in japan and will be coming out soon in the rest of the world"
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00:26:23LloreanCould still be the same hardware, and different firmware
00:26:25iamben_yeah well theres a lot of things the e200 doesnt "support" but thats why we use rockbox =)
00:26:26rasherWith any luck, Rockbox may outdo Sansa here
00:26:27LloreanLike, in theory, the Rhapsody model is
00:26:41rashereh, Sandisk
00:26:50Bagderyes, but it could also imply a subtle hw change
00:27:00rasherBagder: "It is not hardware. I was reading that you can installing Rockbox and get it to read microSDHC cards."
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00:27:08rasherWonder where he got that from
00:27:29Bagderwell, a huge grain of salt added for all that info I guess
00:27:46barrywardellI saw a 4GB microSD today and was very tempted
00:27:53iamben_well its not impossible that it is wired to read both but fw only supports regular microsd
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00:28:11iamben_ive got another device that didnt support sdhc out of box, but w/ a firmware update it does
00:28:16saratogalinuxstb: regarding multiple payloads, all i know is that you once told me that a WMAv1 file i sent you had them
00:28:20LloreanI thought the difference was in the addressing, not the wiring or connectinons.
00:28:20rasheriamben_: Certainly not, but he states it as truth, when in fact no one knows either way.
00:28:21qweruI checked the original file system of my sansa is also fat32
00:28:28barrywardellamiconn: what changes have to be made to suport sdhc?
00:28:37iamben_rasher: oh i didnt read that yet
00:28:57Soapmmm, 12GB sansa.
00:29:06Soapanyone want a mint 4GB nano?
00:29:07rasherAn 8gb sansa with a 4gb microSD would be very tempting indeed
00:29:20iamben_isnt 8G sdhc in the works?
00:29:30iamben_maybe not available yet
00:29:39LloreanIsn't the limit on SDHC something like 64?
00:29:48LloreanNot that I expect that ever in micro
00:29:50rasherProbably, I think I read the upper (theoretical) limit for sdhc is 2048 gb
00:29:52Bagder"To ensure compatibility, look for the microSDHC logo on the product or packaging of your new phone or PDA."
00:30:03Bagder(sandisk blurb)
00:30:17qweruI have checked the packing and it reads indeed microSDHC
00:30:36Bagderyeah, but on on your "phone or pda"
00:30:42Bagderie your sansa
00:30:50qweruBut I am pretty sure it only read microSD in the eBay description.
00:30:59rasherHah, they must have forgotten they have aline of DAPs
00:31:11saratogamicrosd changes the addressing
00:31:13LloreanOr have no intent to support it in daps yet.
00:31:21saratogaits block based instead of byte based, or something like that
00:31:37rasherLlorean: Apparently they have a "Sansa View" in the works which is said to have sdhc support (on wikipedia, anyway)
00:31:41saratogafrom glancing at mrh's docs ages ago, i thought sdhc support should be possible, but i could be wrong
00:33:00qweruI don't think I can wait until rockbox runs on the sansa view so I guess I will have to buy another 2gb real microSD.
00:34:06barrywardellsaratoga: from MrH's docs: "If driving an external card one should use SDHC spec
00:34:06barrywardellinstead, if large cards become available and are to be
00:34:06barrywardellsupported. "
00:34:11Bagderqweru: nah, start poking the code to make it work with the sdhc!
00:34:30saratogaand the spec says the max capacity is 32Gb not 2048GB
00:34:32rasherApparently 4gb microsd cards exist
00:34:34saratoga32GB that is
00:34:38*barrywardell is even more tempted my that mircoSDHC now
00:34:46Bagderbarrywardell: go go go ;-)
00:34:52barrywardellrasher: they do, I saw one today!
00:35:14rasherbarrywardell: Wasn't that microSDHC?
00:35:15qweruBadger: you over-estimate my programming skills, I'm still stuck with the old C64 basic
00:35:30saratogaheres the specs if anyone is interested:
00:35:49barrywardellrasher: I'll have to check again tomorrow. It was behind the counter in the shop
00:35:51*Bagder falls off his chair and crawls to bed
00:36:22pixelmatyping while crawling, impressive ;)
00:36:50rashersaratoga: oops, better save a copy of that if it's supposed to be secret - the file is gone from their server
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00:39:07rasheramiconn: actually, SPI is optional for all microSD cards (again, according to wikipedia which is as far as I'm willing to go hunting for info)
00:41:03qweruThanks all for your support, will have another look for a microSD card now.
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00:45:05barrywardellthe sansa uses the SD bus IIRC
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00:56:34webguest18Is there any easy way to find out if a language file is outdated and how/where is it outdated?
00:56:54webguest18beside reading through the file!!! or the commits?
00:59:16rasherwebguest18: which language are you thinking of?
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01:03:03iamben_if im using a car power adapter for my e200, am i gonna have to hold the left button every single time i turn it on (if i want rockbox)?
01:03:08webguest18rasher: nice!
01:03:12webguest18Chinese simplified
01:03:15iamben_er wait
01:03:30iamben_its not left, i cant remember what it is
01:03:45webguest18& and probably Chinese traditional as well if MS Word can do the translation
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01:06:14webguest18rasher: what do "changed description" and "changed source" refered to? Are they noted on the page?
01:06:51*petur wonders why H10 has no stop button... music keeps on playing
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01:08:25linuxstb_petur: No pause either?
01:08:33peturpause is ok
01:08:41linuxstb_The ipods are the same - no stop button...
01:08:55rasherwebguest18: "Changed description" means that the "Desc:" line was different at the time of the last translation. The old value is mentioned in the red text
01:09:36rasherwebguest18: basically you should just make sure that the input fields are translations of the text to the left of them
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01:09:55rasherwebguest18: The red text is simply an explanation of what changed since the last translation
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01:11:14*petur stands corrected... holding play will stop music (investigating keymap iso reading manual)
01:18:14peturrasher: your translation page spits an error at the top, do you know?
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01:20:24rasherpetur: no.. you may have loaded it in the middle of an upgrade - that might produce an error I think
01:20:45rasher.. and now I started another one. Oops.
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01:28:36webguest18rasher: thanks, I already figured that out :)
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01:31:39Merthsoftanyone in here use the iRiver h10 20gig?
01:32:51MerthsoftThough it may not be that specific player... Basically what's happening is every few folders of music I copy onto my player, it freezes, and I get a "Path too deep" error, or something like that, then I have to unplug it and plug it back in, abnd the file transfers fine....
01:33:38MerthsoftAny ideas?
01:33:53peturwhile copying files?
01:34:05peturPC -> player
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01:34:36peturthat' with the H10 bootloader, not rockbox...
01:34:53MerthsoftRight, I just didn't know if anyone else had that problem
01:34:55Merthsoftand what I can do
01:34:56JelHo! hi can i ask you a question about Rockbox^
01:35:10peturMerthsoft: how 'deep' is the path?
01:35:18peturand how long are the names?
01:35:31peturFAT32 has a limit on path/file length
01:35:46Merthsoftit's like... F:\Music\Phi-Life Cypher- Higher Forces\02-phi-life_cypher-seek_and_destroy-cms.mp3
01:35:58Merthsoftand it transfers after I reset
01:36:14peturthat shouldn't be too long
01:36:24Merthsoftyeah, and if it was I'd get that error all the time
01:36:31peturJel: just ask, don't ask if you can ask
01:36:38JelCan I put a Image as background... Im using a Sansa E260 and its working 100%
01:37:24peturJel: copy BMP of correct size to .rockbox/backdrops and then browse to it, context menu, set as backdrop
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01:38:16peturMerthsoft: chkdsk the disk?
01:38:21Merthsofthmm, ok
01:38:29Merthsoftgood call
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01:39:08peturin USB mode, access is low level, windows (or linux, mac) is really doing the filesystem operations
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01:39:42MerthsoftI figured as much
01:39:59peturgood luck
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01:42:53MerthsoftBigMac: Fianlly, now I know your nick in here
01:43:17BigMacMerthsoft: :)
01:43:24Merthsofttrying to hide from me
01:44:00*Merthsoft eats BigMac.
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02:11:01Merthsoftstill does it
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02:13:07dnanarhi all !
02:14:29dnanari have got a small question about rockbox and inforlmation wrote on a flac file : should i use old id3 tag system on my flac file or use the specialized system of flac (metadata ?) to store artist name, music name, etc...
02:15:10linuxstbYou must use the native flac tags (vorbis comments) if you want the file to play in Rockbox.
02:15:25linuxstbUsing id3 tags with flac is badness...
02:15:38dnanarok. comments will be decoded by rockbox too ?
02:15:55linuxstbI believe so.
02:15:55dnanari know but i preferred to ask before
02:18:48dnanarand, may i ask another question please: do you know a software under linux which rip a cd, compress files to flac and fill the vorbis comments please ?
02:19:10iambenyes i use flac w/ flac tags (vorbis comments as linuxstb said) all the time
02:19:20rasherdnanar: Sound-juicer, abcde
02:19:28iambengrip is also good
02:19:36linuxstbdnanar: grip works for me. But make sure it's not writing id3 tags... (it's an option)
02:19:40iambenor if you require "perfection", EAC runs under wine
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02:23:32dnanarlinuxstb: i thought that we can only rip cd with grip and write id3tag : how to set to write vorbis comments please ?
02:24:00dnanariamben: ok thanks for the confirmation =) and is album cover supported too ?
02:24:33iambenalbum art is not supported in default builds
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02:25:02iambenthere are some custom builds with support though
02:25:27dnanarso to use
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02:25:43linuxstbdnanar: See this thread - - you need to pass the metadata to flac when it encodes the file.
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02:25:53homieloweDoes anyone know if sansapatcher will reject an E200R or crash or something?
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02:26:07dnanarsorry bug
02:26:22linuxstbhomielowe: I think it rejects it - there's no firmware partition visible on the disk.
02:26:22chrisjs162homielowe: afaik it won't accept it (not sure though)
02:26:30LloreanIt shouldn't even recognize it
02:26:35dnanarso tu use customized WPS with album art i need of a custom build ?
02:26:45iambendnanar: correct
02:26:50homielowelinuxstb: chrisjs162: Llorean: thanks
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02:27:01linuxstbdnanar: (I think you missed this reply) See this thread - - you need to pass the metadata to flac when it encodes the file.
02:27:17linuxstbdnanar: And make sure you find and unselect the option to write id3 tags.
02:28:17rasherwebguest18: thanks for the translation.. I'll have to see what I can do about committing half the patch. I may have to cut out parts of the work you've done to create a useful patch
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02:29:37barrywardellanyone with a sdhc and want to test a patch with their sansa?
02:29:54dnanarlinuxstb: ah ok o can set metadata through flac command line ?! i think i'm going to read a bit more of flac man page =) thanks
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02:31:27homielowelol seems we have found a vanilla another E200 labeled as an E200R, just put on the bootloader
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02:35:32Lloreanhomielowe: You bought it used/refurbished?
02:37:04homieloweLlorean: brand new from futureshop E280, there was a huge sale yesterday ( 10-20% off), actually its my brothers, it also is showing that weird red line syndrom at the top of the LCD now
02:37:28DogBoyoh I have that too
02:37:28LloreanWell, an actual "brand new" one would be a real rhapsody, though
02:37:33DogBoythe red line
02:37:42LloreanDoes it claim to work with the Rhapsody service, and show the Rhapsody logo on boot?
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02:38:23homieloweLlorean: I think its just a mislabeled E200, and it doesn't display the Rhapsody
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02:43:46RxDxhow can i restore my ipod to factory defaults (original firmware again)? I am a linux user, so I dont have iTunes.
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02:45:27RxDxthanks dude :)
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02:49:10dnanarand just another question about rockbox and flac please : on Cowon iAudio X7, can rockbox play gapless flac encoded with the "8 quality" please ? does it use much more battery ?
02:50:25barrywardellnobody with a high capacity microSD? The patch is FS #7634 if there is anyone
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02:51:17chrisjs169SDHC support??
02:51:19Lloreanbarrywardell: That was... fast
02:51:40barrywardellnot tested yet though, so no guarantees I got it right
02:51:49barrywardellit was just a fairly small change though
02:51:56barrywardellchrisjs169: yes, hopefully
02:52:15MerthsoftIn the file manager I selected the current firmware i'm using, and now I have a bright white screen, what can I do?
02:54:19MerthsoftI still have this I/O problem though
02:54:41MerthsoftWhen I'm sending files to it, ti gets to a point where it just freezes and stopd sending
02:54:49iambensomeone go buy microsd-hc card
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02:56:09*chrisjs169 orders a microsd-hc card
02:56:22chrisjs169it could be here by tomorrow...
02:56:26chrisjs169should i?
02:56:51iambenif theres a decent deal on one, i will
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02:57:11*chrisjs169 goes on to NewEgg
02:57:12iambeni could use one for my other little toy anyway
02:57:38chrisjs169I could always use it for the camera I'm planning to buy
02:57:56DogBoyhow big do the micro sd cards get
02:58:21dnanarlinuxstb: i dont understand how to addd metadata through flac command line. I should use −−picture option ?
02:58:33iambenshould be up to 8G for sdhc now
02:58:49iambendnanar: i can give you my EAC flac command if you want
02:59:21*chrisjs169 's head explodes. NewEgg doesn't have Micro SDHC
02:59:27iambendnanar: flac.exe -8 -V -T "ARTIST=%a" -T "TITLE=%t" -T "ALBUM=%g" -T "DATE=%y" -T "TRACKNUMBER=%n" -T "GENRE=%m" -T "COMMENT=EAC Flac 1.1.4 -8" %s
03:00:07iambenof course those %a %s etc are eac specific, but grip should have something similar
03:00:09barrywardellchrisjs169: there's still no guarantee it will work until someone tries it
03:00:12dnanarok thanks i'm loonking in the manpage for the options
03:00:32DogBoybarrywardell, maybe I can buy a big one at frys just to test and then return it
03:00:56dnanaraahh ok -T is the magic option iamben
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03:03:07iambenand i dunno about the iaudio, but on my sansa, flac -8 uses less cpu than my high bitrate mp3s
03:04:51dnanarand where to get a list of all the Vorbis comments field please ?
03:05:45dnanarops thanks =)
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03:11:18qwerubarrywardell: just saw your comments and the patch, that was really quick! Concerning your comment about being untested and the possible data loss, does this mean you think I might brick my sansa when using it?
03:11:46qweruoh, he just left...
03:12:13*chrisjs169 backs up Sansa
03:12:14LloreanYou wouldn't be able to brick your sansa
03:12:16chrisjs169I'm gonna test it
03:12:35LloreanAt worst you'd just need to restore it by some means, but it'd be restorable
03:12:38LloreanCorrupt disk, as it were
03:12:44qweruok then I'm going to test it too
03:13:57*chrisjs169 backs up MicroSD card as well
03:15:20iambenchrisjs169: you testing w/ micro sdhc, or regular microsd?
03:15:21LloreanGood plan. :)
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03:15:30Lloreanchrisjs169: Are you familiar with e200tool?
03:15:57LloreanIn the absolute *worst* case you might need to use it, but that's assuming that everything possible to go wrong does.
03:16:21*Llorean is betting on errors ranging from "nothing goes wrong" to "neither SD nor SDHC cards are read"
03:16:59iambeni'll try it out w/ a 1G sd
03:17:25chrisjs169Llorean: yup - I've used/tested it many times
03:18:23Lloreanchrisjs169: Good to hear. I've never actually messed mine up badly enough to need it, 'mself.
03:22:01qweruI have problems applying barrywardell's patch, it says it cannot find the file firmware/target/arm/sandisk/sansa-e200/ata-e200.c
03:22:26qwerubut I cannot find a file ata-e200.c anywhere in the latest svn directory
03:23:10Lloreanqweru: I have it.
03:23:28iambenpatch applied fine here
03:23:34LloreanYou checked out from svn?
03:24:30qweruyes I did a complete download using svn co svn:// rockbox
03:24:55rasherYou're probably using a wrong -p line to patch
03:25:20Lloreanqweru: And you've cded to firmware/target/arm/sandisk/sansa-e200/ and done ls and don't see the file there?
03:25:35qwerupatch −−binary -p0 < ../sdhc2.patch
03:25:52rasherWhich directory are you in?
03:26:08LloreanIs −−binary really appropriate with source code patches?
03:26:09qweruI tried from both rockbox and one above
03:26:38qweruthere's no "firmware" subdirectory in rockbox
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03:27:04chrisjs169qweru: where'd you get the source from?
03:27:14Lloreanqweru: What subdirectories are there? Name a couple?
03:27:26qweruapps docs fonts rbutil tools and utils
03:27:32evilsporkmanmy ipod video mysteriously started data aborting whenever I try to actually play any music, but it works just fine when i play the files off of it in disk mode using a computer. any suggestions? I just deleted .rockbox and replaced it with the latest build.
03:27:45iambenchrisjs169: you try that patch yet? rb doesnt boot anymore on mine
03:27:48Lloreanqweru: Sounds like your checkout didn't finish...
03:27:49rasherqweru: Then something went wrong. There should be a firmware subdir as well.
03:27:56chrisjs169iamben: i'm still backup up my stuff
03:28:05qweruok thanks will try again
03:28:25qweruI think I know why now
03:28:39iambenthis is probably why barrywardell left, he didnt want us bothering him when it didnt work
03:28:43evilsporkman(it started doing this in june)
03:28:45qweruthe root directory is 100% in use, ahem
03:32:22rasherevilsporkman: Did you get the right build for your player?
03:32:38evilsporkmanrasher: it's a 30 gig ipod video, and i grabbed the 30 gig ipod video build
03:32:42rasherevilsporkman: That is, the 30GB build if you have a 30GB player
03:33:08evilsporkmanrasher: just picked up the ipod and confirmed that it says "30 GB" on the back :)
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03:33:47rasherevilsporkman: And you have completely replaced both the rockbox.ipod file and the contents of the .rockbox directory?
03:34:07evilsporkmanrasher: does rockbox.ipod belong in .rockbox or in the root directory?
03:34:21rasherI believe so, yes
03:34:27LloreanIn .rockbox
03:34:27scorcheevilsporkman: it belongs exactly where it comes
03:34:50rasherevilsporkman: perhaps you have an old rockbox.ipod in the root folder (it used to belong there)
03:35:07evilsporkmanrasher: i noticed i had an old one in root and deleted it a while ago
03:35:44evilsporkman(by the way, I am a competent programmer but I'm stuck with Windows XP for the moment, just to give you the level of debugging help I can give)
03:36:59qweruThe sd patch went through this time
03:37:33chrisjs169qweru: any data loss?
03:37:48iambeneven without the patch, i bet you wouldnt have gotten very far into the build with missing firmware/ =)
03:37:50Lloreaniamben: After reverting to a non-patched build, any corruption?
03:37:58qweruit's still compiling, I'll know in 3 minutes
03:38:08iambennah, all is well with my previously built rockbox
03:38:31evilsporkmanrockbox.ipod is still happily sitting in .rockbox. I haven't touched the firmware in years; could that be it?
03:40:59qweruATA error: -219 - Press ON to debug :(
03:42:26iambenyou wanna update flyspray w/ that info, or should i?
03:42:50qweruno problem I'm going to paste it in
03:43:31iambenhow do you paste from your sansa? =)
03:44:35qweruhehe I can't even seem to copy from KVIrc
03:52:31qweruIt's booting fine again after I restored .rockbox
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03:56:28iambenim rebuilding the broken one again to make sure i got the same error as you, i didn't pay much attention
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05:12:01homieloweIsn't it redundant that under "Settings>Display>browse .wps files": compared to "Settings>Browse Themes". Also seems you can no longer load WPS's from the path
05:16:25iambeniiuc, you can use the WPS from theme A on theme B if you like
05:16:26Soapa theme can be more than a WPS
05:21:56DogBoyall they had at frys was 2 gig micro sd cards
05:22:39scorchewell, a theme is always more than a wps
05:23:08scorche(minimalist theme is a wps and a cfg file)
05:24:37iambenhah, i respect your effort at least DogBoy
05:24:59DogBoyI got a 2 gig card
05:25:04saratoganewegg doesn't even have 4GB cards
05:25:13iambenthey must not be in wide supply yet
05:25:15saratoganot sure where people are getting them from
05:25:25DogBoythey told me they have the 4 gig cards in their system but they have not come in yet
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05:25:34iambenbut good news, sandisk has already announced 6G and 8G microsd-hc
05:25:50iambenin... june i think
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05:26:12saratogathey annouced the 4Gb ones in january or maybe earlier
05:26:20saratogathere seems to be quite a lag
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05:29:00MerthsoftBigMac: I finally got it working
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05:48:37skyfallerhey folks... I understand that Rockbox has a calendar application... is there any way to get it to sync iCal or Sunbird calendars with it?
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05:57:14DogBoyone way would be to write the code to do so
05:58:33skyfaller... so there is no existing code that does it? Is there existing code that does something similar?
05:59:02DogBoyno idea
05:59:18skyfallerIs there a webpage about the calendar application?
06:00:01skyfallerI see but apparently that's a plugin which is different from the built-in calendar?
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06:25:33amiconnrasher: There are 2 PHP error messages at the top of your translation page. And the Simplified Chinese stats aren't updated...
06:26:38amiconnThe page encoding seems to be wrong too
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08:24:32Avewhy go higher? is there a need? that'd just consume more energy
08:25:29amiconnIt wouldn't consume more energy unless the extra cpu performance is actually needed
08:26:03amiconnIt would help to avoid skipping with demanding codecs + tone controls
08:26:20Aveah ok, so there is somekind of idle/sleep functionality also
08:26:59AveI left a comment to the task 7510
08:27:16AveI'd wish that llorean tries his nano with vorbis also..
08:27:47Aveas he has 0xc0005 also and he claims it works
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08:30:35markunAve: we also have a idle/sleep function, but that's not the reason:
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08:31:28markunAve: well, it's called "idle frequency" so I guess I should shutup ;)
08:33:20Averight, the cpu freq is altered dynamically between some limits
08:33:23amiconnmarkun: I fixed the outdated value....
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08:52:56LloreanAve: I told you before, I tried it with Vorbis. I tried it with many formats.
08:58:17Aveoh sorry
08:58:19Avedidnt notice
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09:38:02ZaphielDobry, czy jest ktoś kto pisze po polsku?
09:38:30scorchewe speak english here
09:38:39Zaphielok :D
09:40:40ZaphielSo I have a question - where can i find a fonts that are i n rockbox but they "display" polish letters?
09:40:51markunpreglow: not sure what this guy wants, maybe you can help?
09:41:11ZaphielI know there is one - unifont but its big an not very nice like the others like nimbus
09:43:20markunZaphiel: I'll update this page:
09:43:33markunor maybe you can try them all and check which work
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09:44:36markunZaphiel: I suspect that they all support polish
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09:51:16markunZaphiel: I think all fonts in here"> which have Latin Extended-A
09:55:31Zaphielokey thanks for help I'll try this
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10:03:29ZaphielHow to upload a FM presets to rockbox site?
10:04:46markunyou create a wiki account and then ask for write permission here
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10:04:59markunafter that you can attach a file to a wiki page
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10:41:08preglowmarkun: answered him
10:41:31ZaphielI registered on wiki, and I'm asking for write permision.
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10:42:51peturso what's your wikiname?
10:43:32peturis it WojtekCzaderna ?
10:45:18peturI guess it is, write access granted...
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10:45:51pondlifepetur: It's early...
10:46:06scorchepondlife: it's late...
10:46:27*pondlife eats breakfast and hands scorche a beer
10:46:29peturbtw, somebody has been adding names to the bottom of the usersgroup page iso alphabetically sorted :(
10:47:00scorchepetur: searched the diffs and found out who?
10:47:22*scorche raises his glass at pondlife
10:47:39*pondlife raises his spoon at the world
10:47:57peturscorche: no, refresh wiki cache and look at last changed page
10:48:14peturah you mean the sorting
10:48:26*petur not awake too :)
10:48:45peturpondlife: there is no spoon
10:49:39peturscorche: btw, diffing that page is not usefull as all names are in one paragraph...
10:50:20pixelmabut it could be noticable when new names are only appearing at the end, or?
10:50:59ddaltonI am adding an option to the main menu. I have added shutdown_option so now do I need to make a function called shutdown_menu? how does the option playlist_options work? Is playlist_options a function?
10:51:17ddaltonI mean shutdown_option
10:55:33amiconnpondlife: Did you check the logs? Got a crash with dircache disabled - again in pcmbuf.c
10:56:09ddaltonok where is the file browser code? That might help me.
10:57:11pondlifeamiconn: Yes, I saw.
10:57:24pondlifeI still can't repro a crash (on sim or H300).
10:58:14pondlifeCould you perhaps comment out the final call to talk_file(), leaving the directory search and buffer allocation in place?
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10:58:46pondlifeThen see if that still misbehaves.. it probably won't (in which case we learn nothing), but you never know...
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11:04:07amiconnNot now, perhaps in the evening
11:09:29ddaltoncan someone tell me how make_menu works and how you add a menu option to it?
11:12:09markunJdGordon can probably tell you
11:12:44B4gder... and not many others, as people hit that wall all the time... :-/
11:14:02B4gdermacromania makes a tough read
11:14:04JdGordonddalton: what do you want to do?
11:14:39JdGordonmacros make it easier t read imo... just need some getting used to
11:14:48B4gderI disagree
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11:18:25Zagormacros make it easier to read for the author who created the macros, and harder to read for everybody else
11:18:50Zagori.e. everyone has to learn the macros before they can read the code
11:19:15Zagorthat's rarely a benefit, in my opinion/experience
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11:20:07B4gderI usually fight against such stuff at work with force
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11:20:30ZagorJdGordon: dodgy connection?
11:20:45JdGordonno, dodgey login scripts...
11:20:49markundepends on the macro I think
11:21:14markunis someone writes "a = MAX(b, c);" it's quite clear I think
11:21:17B4gdersure, small convenience macros are fine
11:21:29Zagormarkun: agreed
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11:22:47markunZagor: but maybe that should be done with an inline function instead?
11:23:04JdGordon_no more quit/joining
11:23:48Zagormarkun: some macros are practically a part of the language already, like the MAX and MIN macros. no need to change those.
11:24:16markunIRC is lagging..
11:24:57Zagorthe problems occur when macros are used to hide what the code is doing. code hiding is never a good thing, despite what many OO/C++ zealots claim.
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11:26:27JdGordonthats it.. im done for now
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11:31:59JdGordonok, so going back t the discussino about multi-selections.... which way would be better to store the selection list... an array containig the indexes of the selected items? or an array where earch bit represents an item index and 1 means selected and 0 means not?
11:32:40JdGordonboth ways need a sane maximum selection count, but the 2nd would allow for more...
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11:33:25amiconnThe second is just a special case of the first. You could even code it the same by using bitfields
11:33:51amiconnBut remind me, what do we need multiselect for?
11:34:29JdGordonwe dont really... but it would be nice in the browsers
11:37:05amiconnWhat for?
11:37:23JdGordonadding mutliple tracks in 1 hit?
11:37:30*amiconn wouldn't like it added "just in case", only if there's a real application
11:38:13JdGordonit may make more sense to hack the browsers to store the selections instead of the list
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11:39:03ddaltonJdGordon: Can you answer my question again? My connection dropped out.
11:39:19JdGordonwhats the question
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11:40:04ddaltonWell I want to add an option to the main menu. It is shutdown. How do I make it shutdown the player? And how does make_menu work?
11:40:16ddaltonshutdown is what it is called
11:40:57JdGordonif you want to add shutdown just change the config so HAVE_SHUTDOWN or whatever it is is defind
11:40:58amiconnJdGordon: Perhaps a select bit, like the talk clip indicator bit which also "mis"uses the attribute field already
11:41:26ddaltonwhat about if it was a completely new option?
11:41:33JdGordoncould do that, but would we want multiselect in any other list ever?
11:41:35ddaltonI just want to know how make_menu works.
11:42:22ddaltonok but does bookmarks call a function?
11:42:47JdGordonthats my name... dont wear it out :p
11:42:49ddaltonit is in the make_menu thing in the root_menu.c
11:42:57pondlifeJdGordon: I'd just think putting it into the list code is needed anyway, assuming the browser uses the list to display.
11:43:15pondlifeOtherwise, you'd end up with the browser having it's own dedicated list code, no?
11:43:27pondlifeBetter to only have the one "widget"
11:43:41JdGordonpondlife: well.. it might be cleaner adding it only to the browsers... but yeah. if it would possibly be wanted for other lists then thats not thebes place for it
11:43:59pondlifeDo the browsers use the list code to display at the moment?
11:44:17pondlifeOK, so that's why you should be updating the list code.
11:45:09pondlifeThe new list API required should be an extension so non-aware code (i.e. nearly all of it) works the same, of course.
11:45:49pondlifeYou may want to check which targets can support a suitable shift button before you start, too.
11:46:33ddaltonJdGordon I will look at
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11:47:43JdGordonpondlife: well... i guess it would be all but the ondio, maybe this shuold be considered an alternative to the 1 button to add patches? and not for the generic lists
11:48:19ieLast night there was some talk about Sansa, how it supports micro cards etc.
11:49:08ieI'd probably get myself a sansa but its buttons are so ridiculously small :-/
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11:49:37ieNearly impossible to press without also pressing the wheel
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11:50:45JdGordonbuttons are fine once you get used to it
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11:51:04ieJdGordon: can the be used single handed?
11:51:13JdGordonno problem
11:51:23JdGordonthe rec button is the hardest to use with one hand
11:52:27ieBut it's weird. It's a device for the masses (presumably) and they make me to get used to it instead of making it usable right from the beginning. Just because of the nice flat looking?
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11:53:05JdGordonI dont understand why you think its unusuable... I've never had a problem with it
11:53:32ieJdGordon: after you got used to it ;-)
11:53:45*JdGordon doesnt actually remember getting used to it
11:53:51JdGordoni mean, i dont remember needing to
11:58:27*petur thinks the H10 has the worst buttons he has seen so far...
11:58:54*JdGordon agrees with petur
11:59:04JdGordonalthough, i havnt had he mispleasure of using the h10 much
11:59:26*petur is using it today at work
12:00:27ieHmm... Look at these two offers: and
12:01:05peturare there known ata issues on H10? I got a strange error while playing music about unable to write to file. But it continued without problem (wps was messed up though)
12:01:12ieBoth are sandisk e250, but one is advertised as having FM and the other as having no FM. But do they differ in HW?
12:01:35JdGordonie: yes, the EU one doesnt have the radio
12:02:31ieJdGordon: so the sell the US model in the UK amazon?
12:02:43JdGordonmust be...
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12:03:17ie...and with 50% price difference! Wow
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12:08:39barrywardellpetur: no known issues. although I only ever test with my big H10 so things could be different for other models
12:09:18bjerrkHi. I'm in the process of installing Rockbox on my 30 Gig iPod video (i'm using Linux). It seems to go just fine, until after i've formatted the ipod (from HFS+ to FAT32).. Then i get i "Can't read superblock"-error upon trying to mount the thing
12:10:19peturbarrywardell: I'll have to chkdsk it then...
12:10:24amiconnbarrywardell, petur: I didn't experience any ata errors on my H10/6
12:10:55bjerrk:-( This i quite frustrating
12:10:58peturI do have support on - which was probably the one trying to write
12:13:18amiconnThe playlist code also writes (to .playlist_control)
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12:14:38peturbah, that touchpad really needs some tweaking
12:15:46bjerrkOooh! I found out myself..
12:15:56barrywardellpetur: there are some patches on the tracker, but they only made things worse for me
12:16:15bjerrkSeems that mkdosfs's -S switch (like this: mkdosfs -S 2048) did the trick
12:16:39barrywardellit seems to vary from each H10 - mine is quite OK, for some people it's much much worse
12:17:14peturmaybe we need a touchpad calibration plugin ;)
12:17:42JdGordonsettings go in the core....
12:18:08barrywardellwe need someone to figure out the ADC better. you can see in the I/O ports debug how jumpy things are!
12:18:45peturI didn't even see any relation to what I was doing with the touchpad....
12:20:03barrywardellyou need to treat it like two separate buttons...
12:20:04peturGPIO_D toggles a bit on touch but the ADC...
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12:23:18bjerrkUh-oh.. I a "Can't load rockbox.ipod" error upon boot.. What could cause this?
12:25:05bjerrkthe file is there...
12:25:13bjerrkin /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod
12:25:48bjerrkAny ideas? :(
12:26:29linuxstbbjerrk: People have reported problems with using mkdosfs and 2048-byte sectors. mtools seems to be the recommended formatting tool - see
12:28:40bjerrklinuxstb: Ah, darn. Thanks! I just thought that mtools was an MacOSX-only tool, as it was mentioned in a MacOSX-ish context :P
12:29:39bjerrkwould it be okay if i used the mtools package from Debian, or do you recommend some patched version of mtools?
12:32:21bjerrkseems that the link on the wiki points to the vanilla sources, so i guess that i should be fine
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12:34:42bjerrklinuxstb: Upon issuing "mformat -t 2428 -h 255 -s 63 -S 2048 -M 2048 -F a:", mformat complains that "argsize must be less than 6"
12:34:58bjerrklinuxstb: Would that mean that i have to get rid of one of the command line args?
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12:41:07bjerrkseems that it's some quirk in the new version of mformat. Works with the old one
12:41:15linuxstbbjerrk: I'm not aware of any patched versions of mtools being needed - so the standard Debian version should be fine. I can't help you use it though (I've never needed it).
12:41:46bjerrklinuxstb: Thanks, i got it working. The Debian version was too new :-/
12:42:24bjerrkDebian had XX.X.11, but the wiki recommended XX.X.10, and it didn't work with the XX.X.11 version..
12:44:28bjerrkDamn.. how do i reboot out of disk mode? Menu + Select doesn't seem to work
12:44:45bjerrkoh... now it did.. funny
12:45:04ddaltonyeah I think it needs a long press.
12:45:52bjerrkddalton: Yeah.. but it kinda weird, 'cause sometimes it only need like a 4 second press..
12:46:00bjerrkand now it seemed like 15 secs
12:46:07bjerrkmust be my mind playing tricks on me
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12:46:58ddaltonwell is that when you are in disk mode? because it needs a long press for disk mode but to reboot I don't think it is as long.
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12:47:05bjerrkOkay, where do i drop the music, if i want rockbox to find it?
12:47:09bjerrkYeah, i was in disk mode
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12:47:48ddaltonnot in a hidden folder or in your players music folder for the firmware it came with.
12:47:50parafinbetter drop it on player, this way there is much more chance for rockbox to find it ;)
12:47:59bjerrkddalton: Okay... Mind you, i've never used an ipod before, and i've never used rockbox before..
12:48:07bjerrkparafin: evil, evil man :P
12:48:15ddaltonin /music if it doesn't exist
12:48:20bjerrkddalton: Would /lol be okay?
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12:48:24bjerrk(for instance)
12:48:45ddaltonyes but it is a strange name for a music folder.
12:49:09bjerrkSo, i'm calling it "music" instead, i guess.
12:49:11linuxstbbjerrk: Rockbox has both a file browser and a tag-database. How you organise your music is up to you...
12:49:42ddaltonthe db uses the id3 info where the file browser is like windows explorer.
12:50:08ddaltonyes you can call it what you want. Does a music dir exist already?
12:50:13ddaltonwhat player is it.
12:51:00ddaltonyour using an ipod? Then /music will be fine
12:51:37bjerrkyeah, i'm using a 30 gig ipod video thingy
12:51:46ddaltonyes that will work.
12:51:54bjerrklinuxstb: Okay.. Well, i prefer the tag-DB
12:52:05ddaltonyou can use both
12:52:11ddaltonif you want
12:52:12bjerrkyeah yea, i figured..
12:52:57ddaltonif you use the db you need to make sure all your music has the correct id3 info.
12:53:13ddaltonlike track and artist and so on.
12:54:08bjerrkIt does. I use a tag DB based media player daily
12:54:17ddaltonok then!
12:54:39ddaltonI don't use it prefer the .talk clips over spelling.
12:54:51bjerrkHm, is there any way to reboot the ipod in a nice and clean way? Through the menus or something..
12:55:15ddaltonreboot or shut down?
12:55:26ieIs there a RB wiki page with the playback durations for different devices?
12:55:37bjerrkddalton: just reboot.
12:55:43bjerrkddalton: to make the database work..
12:55:45B4gderie: yes
12:56:12ddaltonjust run rockbox.ipod
12:56:27ddaltonOr turn off the player and turn it back on.
12:56:33bjerrkddalton: Okay, how do i do that from rockbox?
12:56:45ddaltonrun rockbox.ipod?
12:56:51pixelmaie: the BuyersGuide also gives a quick overview
12:56:52bjerrkddalton: using the reboot combo just seems.. harsh :P
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12:57:16ddaltonOk go to the file browser and select .rockbox and then rockbox.ipod.
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12:57:22amiconnbjerrk: Shut down and power on again
12:57:23ddaltonYou need to show all files
12:57:44bjerrkddalton: Yeah, .rockbox is hidden (dotfile and all)..
12:57:58bjerrkWill i have to reboot every time i alter the DB?
12:58:21amiconnddalton: Using RoLo isn't a nice solution. It's not 100% clean, and it might be that rockbox misbehaves afterwards (on ipods and other PP targets)
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12:59:24parafinpress play until it shutdowns, than power on ipod by pressing select :) u think it's the cleaniest way
12:59:51bjerrkdoesnno? :P
12:59:58amiconnOf course you can also use Menu for power on :)
13:00:11parafinreally? :)
13:00:19*parafin goes to check it up
13:00:26bjerrkOkay, thanks.. Hm, how do i get back to the "play screen", when i'm at the main menu
13:00:37parafinpress play
13:00:39bjerrk"now playing"?
13:00:50ieB4gder, pixelma: thanks. Does sansa's runtime suffers that much when using RB?
13:01:05pixelmabjerrk: maybe reading the manual would be a good idea too? :)
13:01:19bjerrkpixelma: Manuals are for wusses ;)
13:01:30bjerrkNo, really. I should go read the manual
13:01:34ddaltonno actually u should read it
13:01:46bjerrkddalton: se my last message.. :P
13:01:54ddaltonI know just read it
13:02:11bjerrkI need to read the manual for the ipod itself too...
13:02:19ddaltonI am working on p6733 but couldn't see the point of a reboot function. Is there any point?
13:02:21ddaltonin it
13:02:53parafinsometimes rockbox misbehaves
13:03:08parafinso it could be usefull
13:03:17ddaltonno maybe just the rockbox one. Just learn the basics for the ipod and you should be fine. If you don't really use the apple firmware and just rockbox you can just read the rockbox one.
13:03:30ddaltonI didn't read my iriver manual and I am doing ok
13:04:13bjerrkspeaking of apple firmware. How do i boot the apple firmware? Not that i want to at present.. :P
13:04:20bjerrkoh.. the manual, right?
13:04:30ddaltonyes but I will tell you.
13:04:50bjerrknice :P
13:04:55ddaltonpress the menu button and then flick the hold switch to the hold posision.
13:05:17ddaltonwhen the apple logo comes up remove hold.
13:05:42ddaltonand then just do a reboot to boot rockbox again. (menu and select)
13:06:00bjerrkThanks :)
13:06:06parafinit's reset imho, not reboot :)
13:06:10ddaltonI can't work out why my check out of rockbox takes so long.
13:06:43ddaltonIn p6733 they call it "Reboot"
13:06:44parafinwell, menu+select is reset combo
13:07:00ddaltonso how do I reboot then?
13:07:22ddaltonok doesn't really worry me at the minute.
13:07:29parafini don't think there is such feature in apple firmware
13:07:35ddaltonhey anyone got a simple feature they want added?
13:07:58ddaltonI am not a very good coder.
13:08:03bjerrkhow the **** do i exit rockpaint? :P
13:08:26ddaltondon't no
13:08:30ddaltondon't know I mean
13:08:54ddaltontry a long press of stop or a short press or menu
13:09:01ddaltonshort stop
13:09:30parafinddalton, open cover.jpg from current dir by some way from WPS
13:10:01pixelmabjerrk: menu+select is an often used combo to exit a plugin
13:10:01parafinwell, it would be nice feature :)
13:10:05bjerrkA short press on Menu+Select brings up the rockpaint menu
13:10:22ddaltonok but im blind that's the only problem.
13:10:27ddaltonwhat is the feature?
13:10:28JdGordonpixelma: its in the manual... if he doesnt want to read it i dont see why we should help him....
13:10:46pixelmaJdGordon: have you checked that rockpaint is in the manual?
13:11:01JdGordonwell... no... but still :p
13:11:03pixelmaI did...
13:11:08*JdGordon gets back to his assingments
13:11:17parafinddalton, well, now you have to press select and find cover.jpg in filelist and press right
13:11:35parafinit would be nice to do it in one keypress
13:11:44ddaltonand what should happen. I still don't understand the feature
13:12:09parafinwell, cover art opens in fullscreen
13:12:27parafini was told that there is such feature in original apple firmware
13:12:46ddaltonmake it open in full screen?
13:13:34ddaltonI know sounds pretty easy. But if it uses an image it might be hard for me because I am blind and can't test.
13:13:56ddaltoncan you make it full screen?
13:13:58ddaltonat all?
13:14:25parafinthere is jpeg viewer in rockbox
13:14:37parafinwell, if you can't test, better smb else do it
13:14:42parafinme for example :)
13:14:48ddaltonok can you code?
13:17:41bjerrkIs the battery time much better with the original firmware (on a ipod video 30G) than with the rockbox fw?
13:18:00ddaltonyes but run battery bench and find out.
13:18:23bjerrkDoesn't that take forever?
13:18:35ddaltonwell do you want to find out?
13:18:56bjerrkNot if it takes forever. Forever is a long time..
13:19:06ddaltonbut yes it runs the battery down until it is empty you need to play music and let it sit there. Probably close to 10 hours.
13:19:22markunif it takes forever it's a good thing :)
13:19:50markunamiconn: do you think you can increase the runtime like you did with the 1st and 2nd gen ipods?
13:20:10bjerrkand i just got my ipod with the mail, so i think that i want to try using it a little more before playing around with the battery'n'stuff.
13:20:23ddaltonif I was looking at increasing battery time where should I look?
13:21:17markunddalton: by looking at disassemblies of the original firmwares I think
13:21:33markunand figuring out how to disable unused parts of the chip
13:21:45ddaltonwhere do I get that from?
13:21:53ddaltonand it isn't in c right?
13:23:21amiconnmarkun: It's possible for sure. Whether I will be able to find out how is another thing
13:23:34markunno, it's ARM assembly code
13:23:36amiconnAnd btw, I also improved runtime for 3rd gen :)
13:23:49markunnice :)
13:24:14markunamiconn: is it more difficult to find out for the 4+ gens?
13:24:20amiconnIt's actually two parts: Disabling unused parts of the chip, and finding out how to do disk poweroff
13:24:40ddaltonwhere is the ARM assembly code
13:24:58amiconnThe latter was already figured out for 1st..3rd gen by the ipl people, just not used before
13:25:24dionoeaddalton: in the apple_os.bin file ... once you run a dissassembler on it
13:25:34amiconnAnd it's GPIO, so it's simple. 4+ gen is not simple afawk
13:25:40ddaltonhow do you do that?
13:25:40linuxstbddalton: This page may be helpful when talking about the original ipod firmware -
13:25:49bjerrkDoes rockbox generally have a better battery life than iPodLinux, or..?
13:25:50amiconnIt's probably not gpio, but somehow controlled by the pcf
13:26:12amiconnbjerrk: Yes, but not very much on 4+ gen ipods
13:26:43amiconnOn 1st..3rd gen it has *way* better battery lifetime than ipl, even reaching or exceeding OF runtime :)
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13:28:17bjerrkamiconn: Damn.. i should've bought a 2nd gen then
13:29:16markunbjerrk: until someone figures out the problem
13:29:17dionoeabtw, anyone know if austriancoder managed to get his USB stack to work?
13:29:21dionoea(on target)
13:29:37JdGordonit works apparently, needs a msc driver now
13:29:58bjerrkfrozen bubbles on the ipod. Nice.
13:30:33dionoeaJdGordon: msc being ? mass storage something ?
13:30:39*amiconn wonders how complex an sbp2 disk device stack would be
13:30:49ddaltonis there anything wrong with this? &playlist_options, &rocks_browser, &info_menu, &do_shutdown_item);
13:31:01JdGordonddalton: no
13:31:03JdGordondionoea: yes
13:31:03ddaltonit is part of my code from the make_menu function.
13:31:50ddaltonJdGordon is that what you were trying to tell me to do before?
13:31:53amiconnOr rather, the logical protocol used on firewire
13:31:56peturdionoea: he's writing the UMS driver and making progress (so he says)
13:31:57ddaltonAbout my shutdown question?
13:32:23dionoeathat's good news :)
13:33:05peturI also asked him to put his code online asap so we can start playing with it
13:33:56dionoeawhat target is his code supposed to work on ? all pp based players ? (well those using the pp usb controller)
13:34:48amiconndionoea: PP502x only
13:36:21ddaltondoes the lng file use english.lang?
13:36:32ddaltonfiles I meant
13:37:36LinusNenglish.lang is the master
13:37:56LinusNand is also builtin
13:38:18LinusNall untranslated strings fall back to english.lang
13:38:20bjerrkOkay, where does the Apple FW put the music files?
13:39:03DerPapst /iPod_Contor/Music/F[XX]/
13:39:34bjerrkAh, Control?
13:39:40ddaltonhow do the lng files work?
13:39:57bjerrkOkay.. Must be because i havent put any music on it yet. That folder doesn't exist
13:40:08LinusNddalton: the .lng files are binary versions of the .lang files, compiled by a perl script
13:40:42ddaltonAnd they control what language menus are displayed in?
13:40:45LinusNddalton: they consist of a table of pointers to strings, one for each LANG_ID
13:41:05LinusNeach .lng file contains one language
13:41:21ddaltonI don't know what that means but I haven't learnt pointers yet.
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13:41:39peturit should have been in that C book of yours
13:41:59LinusNit means that the .lng files contains the strings associated with the LANG_ID:s
13:42:08ddaltonI am still reading it and doing a bit of coding on rockbox at the same time
13:42:32ddaltonis there to much wrong with p7525 and p7561
13:42:38LinusNa pointer is a variable that contains a memory address
13:42:44ddaltonp7561 is my main patch
13:43:25ddaltonok I will read my c book and study pointers because from what I have heard they are quite complicated.
13:43:36LinusN7525 looks ok to me
13:43:58LinusNddalton: they are not complicated at all if you know how processors work
13:44:35ddaltonwhat about p7561 because p7525 is very basic and pointless. Don't you think?
13:45:48LinusN7561 looks good too, if you ask me
13:49:15pondlifeddalton: You lost the seconds?
13:49:25*pondlife is a slow reader...
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13:49:46LinusNi won't miss them
13:50:24pondlifeProbably too late by the time they are voiced anyway
13:50:42pondlifeAs long as it's deliberate
13:51:46LinusNi believe it would only be annoying to hear the seconds every time you want to know the time
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13:53:00Skellingtonare there other bootloaders for rockbox?
13:53:36scorcheusing unofficial bootloaders can be quite dangerous on some devices, so not many, if any exist for a perticular device
13:54:11pondlifeHmm, who is PeterHerngaard and why did he break the table I put on :/
13:54:36pondlifeCan I revert a wiki change?
13:54:53Skellingtonok thanks
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13:55:53scorchepondlife: reverting on the wiki is typically just copying the raw code from a past revision as a new version
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13:57:05ddaltonI removed the seconds because they have changed by the time you get to hear them and I found them anoying.
13:57:20pondlifeNo objection here, just checking it was intentional.
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13:57:39ddaltonSo I know there is no interest in this but what is stopping it from been commited?
13:59:09ddaltonPondlife: Why did you get the sapi5 thing on cygwin to remove the voice clips when done? Because if you are adding a couple of strings to english.lang it will take for ever to build again.
13:59:22pondlifeIt shouldn't do
13:59:25ddaltonI think it is good that it cleans up but what do you think?
13:59:34pondlifeMine stay until I do a make clean
13:59:47ddaltonhmmm it does here.
14:00:14pondlifeI need to look into why I can't get the pool feature working, might be related.
14:00:28ddaltonso is no interest just stopping p7561 from been commited or is there bad coding.
14:00:29pondlifeThen I'll be able to produce daily built voice files.
14:00:43ddaltonI think I did a comment wrong but that is all I can think of.
14:00:45LinusNi think nothing is stopping us from committing those patches
14:01:02ddaltonok do you think the second one is any good?
14:01:14LinusNi'll do it tonight if nobody else beats me to it
14:01:33LinusNi think the second one is fine
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14:02:09ddaltono cool if you want I just thought it is a nice small feature for blind users.
14:02:12ddaltonLike myself
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14:17:29parafinhow about commiting p4840 and p7174?
14:17:45JdGordon7174 sounds familiar... which is that?
14:18:11parafinChessbox - Store game history in PGN format
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14:28:05bjerrkHm, how do i play videos on my ipod with rockbox?
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14:28:39parafinit's too slow on ipod video for actual use imho
14:29:04bjerrkpetur: Yeah, fuck you too..
14:29:08bjerrkparafin: Okay, darn..
14:29:28bjerrkI haven't tried playing videos using the official fw either, tough..
14:29:39parafinme too :)
14:29:39jbitthe apple firmware uses the super DSP chip
14:29:52jbitrockbox can't use that (yet?)
14:29:57peturbjerrk: thanks for the kind words, now go read manual/wiki anyway
14:30:17scorchejbit: a bit of docs would be nice...
14:30:25jbitdocs are overrated
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14:30:41markunbjerrk: the 'f' stands for 'fine' ;)
14:31:04scorcheif docs are so overrated, then feel free to figure out the chip
14:31:11chrisjs169Did I miss a fight or somthing...?
14:31:31parafinwhat do you think about p3031?
14:31:36jbitscorche: i plan to :)
14:31:48parafinimho it's much more usable that way
14:31:48jbitone of the reasons i started playing with rockbox/ipl/etc
14:31:54*scorche awaits the patch =)
14:32:15jbitscorche: i'm busy with work right now, but i'll be on it afterwards :)
14:32:19jbitthe chip facinates me :)
14:32:26jbitit's pretty fast and has 10mb embedded ram...
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14:33:16parafinjbit, it can be used only for video, or for smth else too?
14:33:38gunkI'm trying to use ipodpatcher on an ipod whose hard drive I just replaced
14:33:53gunkand I'm getting [ERR] Firmware partition doesn't contain Apple copyright, aborting., even when I try to -wf rockbox.ipod
14:34:06gunkis there any other way to get the firmware on there?
14:34:28gunkor is the lack of copyright unrelated to the replaced hard disk?
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14:34:51parafinit's related
14:36:03gunkI've followed the instructions at , but using linux instead, if that makes a difference.
14:36:25amiconnOn ipod you can't start from an empty hdd
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14:36:54amiconnYou need to have the correct partitioning and the apple fw partition in place
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14:37:07gunkyeah, that's all been taken care of
14:37:09linuxstbgunk: You need a working ipod - i.e. one that boots into the Apple firmware.
14:37:24*JdGordon would very much like austraiancoder to join...
14:37:31parafingunk, i think dump of firmware partition may help
14:37:41parafini mean from working device
14:37:44linuxstbgunk: The IpodManualRestore wiki page will help.
14:37:44*chrisjs169 agrees with JdGordon
14:37:49gunkso I need to get grab my wife's ibook, use that to restore it to hfsplus, then convert that to fat32?
14:37:58linuxstbNot at all.
14:38:22gunklinuxstb: ah, thatl looks perfect.
14:40:08ieJdGordon: you use the sansa player quite often, right? What do you think about (a) runtime with rockbox and (b) its size. Isn't it too big/heavy? I'm about to buy one but still unsure.
14:40:50JdGordonie: its my main player now... a) i dont use it more than a few hours a day, so can charge it overnight and not have a problem, b) the only target smaller is the nano
14:41:34amiconnJdGordon: really (b)? I would think the Ondio is smaller (and lighter) too
14:41:42pixelmaone could discuss that
14:41:49JdGordonive never held an ondio
14:41:52JdGordonso i dont know
14:41:56B4gderyeah ondio is indeed much lighter
14:42:08B4gder40 vs 70 grams roughly, iirc
14:42:32JdGordonmy phone and keys are heavier than my sansa... so really it makes no difference in my pocket
14:42:41ieJdGordon: but having to charge every day is no fun (also for the accum.)
14:42:54B4gderbut then the ondios are also tiny storage wise
14:42:58pixelmanah, I don't think it differs that much with batteries but didn't measure
14:43:12ieB4gder: are they still sold?
14:43:23pixelmaB4gder: with a 4GB MMC it has more storage than the nano
14:43:24B4gdernot new, no
14:43:31amiconnOndio is 60g
14:44:00amiconnNano 42g
14:44:07B4gderah, nano it was
14:44:21gunkdoes simply removing DATA+ and DATA- from the usb headers make a usb port equivalent to a charger for purposed of restoring the firmware, or do I actually need to hunt around for the wall charger?
14:44:24amiconnSansa weight is missing here:
14:44:42pixelmaie: but the Ondio is hwcodec, so only mp2/mp3 (and wav, currently through a plugin)
14:44:48B4gder75 grams
14:44:50ieB4gder: I assume you only consider "RB capable" daps. There are many stick daps that are smaller. I know nothing about the sound quality though
14:45:04linuxstbgunk: I don't know - you could try it...
14:45:09B4gderI only consider rockbox targets of course
14:45:41JdGordonie: also, those stick ones will be <=2gb capacity, and still have to charge every night
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14:46:30ieJdGordon: how often do you have to feed it with music? I mean, are 2 GB enough?
14:47:09JdGordoni have 22gb of music.. so no, 2gb isnt enough, i have 2 igb micro's which i keep with me always, and i only really listen to 5gb of music, so its not too bad
14:47:19*JdGordon would kill for a 32gb microsd
14:47:26ieBTW: I'm very sorry for the offtopic discussion. If it's not desired here, I'll stop it.
14:47:40pixelmaie: there are Sansa with up to 8GB internal memory + microsd
14:48:01B4gderthey're even dirt cheap these days
14:48:08iepixelma: that's what I consider: 2 GB or 4 GB dap
14:48:11JdGordonnot the 8gb ones
14:48:25B4gderthey go for not much more than 150USD
14:48:34B4gderthat is dirt cheap
14:48:43ieB4gder: cheap means for you under ...? (please fill in the ...)
14:48:47JdGordon$280+ aud
14:49:01ieB4gder: where?
14:51:09JdGordondamn, ok, that is cheap
14:51:17JdGordonno aussie stores stock it at that price
14:51:31chrisjs169doesn't the sansa have six buttons? (select, left/right/up/down, and power)
14:51:41JdGordonand rec
14:52:24chrisjs169DeviceChart only says five
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14:54:35B4gderwritten by a fool no doubt!
14:55:27B4gdernow it says 7
14:55:54chrisjs169ok, that's better
14:56:17ieB4gder: hmm... is it possible to let the US amazon ship it to Europe? The $/EUR ratio would make a big difference...
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14:58:03dionoeaI'm sure that amazon would add 20% VAT if shipping to Europe (well, the percentage might depend on your country)
14:58:56B4gderthey can't charge VAT for other countries
14:59:19B4gderbut I guess you risk having to pay that taking it "through the borders"
14:59:31dionoeathey charge customs fees (or your country's customs do)
14:59:41B4gderor may at least
14:59:43dionoeawhich are roughly equivalent to the VAT
14:59:51gunklinuxstb: it's working perfectly now, thanks for the help.
15:00:04gunkI was worried that I'd need to use a mac or windows for a second.
15:00:04B4gderin sweden I believe you get to pay VAT and customs
15:01:06B4gderthe e280 seems to be available for roughly 170 euros in europe
15:01:57B4gder156 to be exact
15:02:02dionoeathat's kind of outrageous when you think about it. 1 Euro costs 1.349 USD
15:03:15B4gdergerman VAT is what, 19%? I figure there's no VAT on the amazon prices?
15:03:29B4gdernot that it explains the whole diff but...
15:03:34parafinis there any way to sort tasks in tracker by time of last comment?
15:03:42dionoeain france it's 19,6% (and prices are listed with VAT included on
15:04:08Zagorparafin: no
15:04:12B4gderdionoea: I searched for cheapest e280 in europe and found a german site at 156
15:04:25parafinthat's very bad
15:04:33Zagorparafin: reverse-sort your mailing list archive :-)
15:04:41ZagorI wouldn't say "very"
15:04:56parafinhm, comments goes to mailing list?
15:04:56B4gderwe should have that supported in a future version of flyspray
15:05:03JdGordonparafin: you can.... go into event list or whatever its called
15:05:10Zagorparafin: yes, all flyspray activity does. check the mail page.
15:05:11B4gdersince if we enable it now, flyspray goes down on its knees
15:06:25ieI'll probably buy the 4GB one and then, if that will not be enough, will add an SD card
15:06:56peturie: I had to upgrade from 40 to 80GB :p
15:07:17B4gderthat's a mighty big microsd card! ;-P
15:07:36peturI'll get a sansa if they make those ;)
15:07:53peturor rather not.. no line-in...
15:08:34parafinJdGordon, link doesn't work, may be this function is limited to developers or smth
15:08:58JdGordonclick event log at the top of the tracker page
15:09:30qwmscorche: how you doin'?
15:10:44parafinJdGordon, there is no such link
15:11:17JdGordonoh well...
15:11:26preglowhow big do microsd cards get?
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15:11:43chrisjs169qwm: I believe scorche is sleeping
15:11:46B4gdermicrosdhc is at 4GB now
15:12:34preglowhas that got an artificial limit?
15:12:38JdGordonsamsung apparently have an 8gb one
15:13:01B4gderpreglow: not really there is a limit but that's way higher
15:13:21B4gdersince the hc is block access and not direct address
15:13:31preglowmicrosd is capped at 2 gig?
15:13:49B4gderI believe there is a theoretical 4gb one but I don't think they're made
15:13:53iepetur: I don't record that much, I only listen to the music
15:15:07rasherSandisk is producing 6 and 8gb sdhc cards.
15:15:17rasher(but not selling yet)
15:15:19JdGordon5gb microsd is 95aud!
15:15:25JdGordonbloody expensice
15:15:34JdGordonno, sdhc
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15:15:52rasherB4gder: maybe your contact could provide some!
15:16:17B4gderI very much doubt that... especially since hte OF doesn't even work with them
15:16:20rasherAlthough that will probably be counter-profitable for them (helping Rockbox support microsdhc)
15:16:34amiconnB4gder: Consumer prices must include VAT in germany. And yes, it's 19% (since 2007)
15:16:49JdGordonrasher: either way it would sell sansas for them....
15:17:13B4gderamiconn: thanks, that's what I thought
15:18:14amiconnBuying something from outside the EU creates the risk that you have to pay customs + VAT (had that with my H340 from Switzerlang - grr)
15:18:46JdGordononly if you declare it...
15:19:08rasherJdGordon: if it's shipped, they may "declare" it for you
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15:19:17rasherAt least that's how it works here.
15:19:37B4gderyeah here too
15:20:13*JdGordon going to bed
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15:21:56ieWhat lives longer: a HDD or a built in flash? Same careful handling of course.
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15:23:26preglowoh, i'd say flash
15:23:36preglowhands down
15:23:42B4gderthe ssd harddisks have far longer mtbf
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15:26:10rasherEven more so for a DAP which does few writes
15:28:35ieok. And the last question: do flash players (e.g. the sansa) tolerate shaking? I.e. is it safe e.g. to go jogging with it?
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15:29:05B4gderthey do
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15:30:35ieB4gder: thanks! Have you implemented the switchable table with build sizes btw?
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15:31:09B4gderno, I'm working on some sort of way to present all info at once
15:31:24B4gdercurrently like this =>
15:31:38B4gderwhich shows the deltas as an average of the bin and ram changes
15:32:49ieMany builds do we have I'd say!
15:33:06B4gderyes, they make you dizzy at times...
15:33:41ieBut as a dev, you need to see them all, right?
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15:34:50B4gderwe need to provide the overview
15:35:06B4gderso that you can take a quick glance to see the current state
15:35:09ieAre there people interested only in a part of the table?
15:35:32ieE.g. "their" port?
15:35:33B4gderwell, the top line is the most important of course since that's the most recent change
15:35:54divoMy sensa e280 running rockbox, has some strange pixel flicker in top of the screen. Is there something to do about it?
15:35:56B4gderI don't think so, since most often they're fairly sure of their "own" port
15:36:20chrisjs169divo, there's a patch for it in the tracker
15:36:30divoAh thanks
15:36:44chrisjs169divo, you'd need to compile rockbox yourself though
15:37:03chrisjs169divo, PM
15:37:05ieB4gder: I mean vertically −− to see not all builds but only ipod (e.g.)
15:37:35B4gderie: no, people need to see them all to make sure they didn't break the others, or make them grow a lot all of a sudden or similar
15:38:15B4gderthe ones they don't need to see very much are the greens or possibly the non-redd
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15:39:24ieB4gder: another idea: show only the bin deltas and add a button that would show ram deltas in a smaller font. Those raws would be invisible when the page is initially displayed
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15:44:15ieB4gder: back to the sansa (the really last time): they all are USB devices, not MTP, right?
15:44:29preglowit's user selectable in a menu
15:44:52iepreglow: in the OF?
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15:46:54ieSo the OF is used to transfer the files to the dap?
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15:47:39ieThis is not described in the manual (how to transfer files to the dap)
15:48:11linuxstbie: Yes, you need the OF for transfers. Easiest way is to turn your Sansa off, then insert USB cable, then turn it on. It will then start the OF.
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15:49:48ielinuxstb: thank you!
15:51:05rasherpondlife: do you have sapi4 available?
15:52:13ieI think, in a few days there will be one more RB user with Sansa dap :-)
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15:54:47rasherAnyone with SAPI4 voices, could you test this patch:
15:56:22peturie: USB within rockbox is a GSoC project on which austriancoder is working
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15:59:44B4gderbarry seems to rock
16:00:00B4gder(FS #7634 - SDHC support)
16:00:22rasherVery nice work
16:00:47B4gderthe fact that the OF doesn't grok this is... very amusing
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16:01:08rasherTo say the least.
16:01:33thegeeksdhc support is pretty nice
16:01:46thegeek8+8 gb
16:01:47rasherNot a particularly large patch either
16:01:55pondliferasher: Sorry, not ignoring you - network woes...
16:02:07pondliferasher: No, no SAPI4 here
16:02:20B4gderof course, our thanks should also be directed to MrH for that
16:02:25petursounds like food for slashdot if that patch works ok :)
16:02:56thegeekit seems we owe MrH a lot of thanks
16:03:09thegeekmysterious though he is;P
16:03:21B4gderevery single rockbox on sansa user owes him at least one beer
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16:03:43linuxstbB4gder: Wouldn't that kill him?...
16:03:45pondlifeLots of beer
16:04:01thegeekis he affiliated with sansa/sandisk in any way?
16:04:07B4gderlinuxstb: he could builds a small fortress out of them!
16:04:15rasherI hate it when commercial websites are internally inconsistant. "SAPI 5.0 has been released and is available at". Then go there, and it's a 404..
16:04:28B4gderthegeek: he says he's not
16:04:32B4gderand I believe him
16:04:34thegeekhehe, ok
16:04:56thegeekif he was it would be pretty nice of them (seeing as how they "supported" rockbox and alL)
16:05:07pondliferasher: I think that's a failure on MS part - the URL is normally as you say...
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16:07:20pondliferasher: might help you (if it works and doesn't send you back to ../speech)
16:08:08rasherI've found a place where I can get the sapi4 sdk, but I don't really fancy installing all sorts of development tools
16:08:38pondlifeIt's not a lot of stuff
16:09:02rasherIt'll have to do
16:09:21pondlife ?
16:09:42pondlifeNope, passworded
16:10:16pondlife7.6MB of SAPI4SDK is available though!
16:10:41amiconnB4gder: PP5020 target users also owe MrH something
16:10:52pondlifeA glass of wine, perhaps?
16:11:01rasherI'm getting the SDK suite, which is 40mb..
16:11:07rasherAnd includes a TTS engine
16:11:57rasherAh, found one:
16:13:09rasherI believe those are sapi4 engines.
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16:16:48preglowi have to reveal something
16:16:53preglowi am mrh!
16:17:03preglownow, i would like my thank you gifts in the form of beer
16:17:08peturno, you're not getting that beer!
16:17:21pondlifeNo, *I* am Mr H, and so's my wife.
16:17:33B4gderyou need to prove it to us by showing the secret hand shake
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16:17:51pondlifeThe Sansa Secret Shake
16:18:08B4gderyes, it involves Thumb B-]
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16:27:10sdfdoes there exist any fix for the sansa lcd bug??
16:27:26B4gderthere's a patch in the racker
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16:27:53sdf <−−- thisone??
16:29:25sdfcan anyone tell me how i can apply this patch??
16:29:55chrisjs169sdf: get a copy of the source code and you can patch it
16:30:04*amiconn wonders what a racker is :P
16:30:16chrisjs169sdf: there's also builds on and the Rockbox forums that have that patch.
16:30:32B4gderamiconn: sop easing me ;-P
16:30:51petursk sk sk
16:34:11chrisjs169sdf, and
16:35:16chrisjs169no problem
16:37:30sdfk works great thx a lot cu
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16:56:23ieIs it possible to rotate the image in the jpeg viewer by 90 degrees?
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17:21:51markunie: no, but would be nice
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17:25:04iemarkun: thanks for the info. The implementation could apply the rotation as the last step, right? I'm not going to implement it, just thinking aloud.
17:27:06amiconnIt would be better to rotate in-plcae while decoding
17:27:51markunor have rotation in the LCD driver
17:28:15markunlike the gigabeat has for video playback
17:28:24amiconnThat's a different thing
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17:29:05amiconnRotation in the driver would be impossible for greyscale targets
17:29:48amiconn...because the jpeg viewer uses the grayscale lib. And even for text it would be very costly because of the pixel packing
17:30:08markunyes, didn't think about that
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17:40:11hodernflechterhello together
17:42:20hodernflechterI have installed RockBox on my 5.5G IPod.
17:42:39hodernflechterand I like it.
17:43:05hodernflechterbut have a problem. It does not work with the iPod-adapter in my volkswagen.
17:43:19dionoeayup, that's not available yet
17:43:33dionoeawe don't know how to communicate with accessories using the serial port
17:44:02hodernflechterhm. is there a "beta" or something that i can test?
17:44:03dionoeaIt might be possible one day ... but you shouldn't count on it
17:44:12dionoeawe don't know how to do it
17:45:27dionoeait's not that it's not implemented
17:45:27dionoeathere is no documentation for the ipod's hardware so everything needs to be reverese engineered from the original apple firmware
17:45:27dionoeawhich isn't easy at all
17:45:27hodernflechteri can imagine that this isn't easy...
17:45:32dionoea(I'm currently having a look to get it to work with my apple remote, but i can't say if i'll succeed or not)
17:49:49dionoeaand then I'll need someone to give me a car with iPod support so I can test 0:-)
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17:56:21preglowpetur: heard anything from ac on usb progress?
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18:00:12peturpreglow: nope, I mailed him to get online
18:01:26Soaphodernflechter, does nothing work with your stereo adapter at all, or does audio-out work and volume control?
18:01:45preglowhe should appear around now, yes...
18:02:01Soaphodernflechter, is the wikipage for know IpodAccessories
18:02:40Soapif you don't feel like filling it all in yourself based upon your experiences, please feel free to PM me here or in the forums with _all_ relevant details to fill in the chart and I will do so with you.
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18:12:08hodernflechterSoap: thank you for the link. don't have the model number of the volkswagen ipod adapter here, so I can't give you the model number etc....
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18:40:08polygonalWhat's the difference between the debug functions like DEBUGF, logf, snprintf, etc.?
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18:41:22polygonalseems like DEBUGF prints out if I started sim from windows commandline
18:41:39polygonalbut where does logf print out to?
18:41:41DomonokyDEBUGF only works on simulator (and on targets with serial support, only some archos), logf is the new debug function, works also on target (it makes a log, or prints to the remote
18:42:32Domonokyfor logf you have to configure your build with logf support, and then you can see the log under debug. (or on the remote on hxx players)
18:42:55polygonalhow to configure?
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18:43:39Domonokywhen you configure rockbox, choose debug and the you can choose a logf build, i think..
18:46:10polygonalokay, found it, it's under advanced
18:47:30polygonalso I can enable logf support even in a normal build? and view logf info on my dap?
18:48:04Domonokylogf works on the dap
18:49:15polygonalwhat does snprintf do then? is it a debug function at all?
18:49:52Domonokyno, thats a normal c function.. like printf but works on string..
18:50:58polygonalokay thanks
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19:09:26webguest17argh, another day without any message from Austriancoder.. :)
19:09:52webguest17austriancoder: If you see this, please tell us something about your progress and SHOW US THE CODE! :)
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19:27:40dionoeaanyone familiar with assembler: what's the point of doing lines 5 and 6 in ?
19:33:43Avewild guess, the ldr could set some flag that str is not setting..
19:35:28chrisjs169I just got a stack overflow
19:35:37chrisjs169with only the SDHC patch
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19:38:39dionoeaAve: maybe, but why would they re-str it afterwards ? (that could be part of a confirmation or something ?)
19:39:20linuxstbdionoea: Where's that code from?
19:39:30dionoeathe apple OS (for G5)
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19:39:43chrisjs169When there's a stack overflow, don't they usually say which stack overflowed?
19:39:46dionoeawell ... a dissassembly of the apple os
19:41:02Avedionoea: or maybe they are just losing a cycle or two for kicks
19:41:17dionoeathat would be weird :)
19:41:23Aveinsanely useful
19:42:06AveI hope someone in the knowledge figures it out
19:43:43dionoeaIt's not that I really care :) I was just puzzled by what appeared to be useless
19:45:17Avewell crank out the cpu data sheet and look up what the instructions do on registers for example
19:45:47linuxstbAve: You mean that PortalPlayer datasheet dionoea is hiding under his bed?
19:46:18dionoeaI wouldn't be reading some obscure asm if i had it
19:46:47linuxstbdionoea: Are you looking for anything in particular, or just bored?
19:47:59dionoeaI want to get the serial port in the dock to work in order to use the FM radio in the apple remote.
19:48:17Aveheh right
19:48:22dionoeaThat sounds insanely hard given my knowledge of ARM
19:48:24Avebut arm is arm..
19:48:54Aveor is the portalplayer arm core modified somehow? on basic instruction level
19:49:13linuxstbdionoea: Have you looked at the IPL code? Apparently there's a (non-working) serial driver for the PP5020 in the kernel.
19:49:30linuxstbThat should at least point you in the direction of which registers might be applicable.
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19:50:08linuxstbAve: Yes, the PP chips have standard arm7tdmi cores, but the code dionoea pasted is writing to PP-specific hardware registers. (the 0x7000000 address range)
19:50:15dionoeayup, those are exactly the registers I was looking for
19:50:30dionoeathe 0x70000014 and 18 are used in the IPL code
19:50:54linuxstbDo you have any hardware hooked up to your ipod to see if the serial port is working? I don't mean accessories...
19:51:38dionoeaunfortunately no :/ So it's kind of a blind trial and error. (most probably error in the long run ... but we can always hope)
19:52:15dionoeaI'd need to buy a small connector and the appropriate electronic to hook it up directly to a computer
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20:00:57linuxstbNico_P: Hi. How are things going?
20:01:16Nico_Phi. I'm on vacation ATM
20:01:42Nico_PI haven't done any more than what's already available
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20:03:29preglowlinuxstb: you think we should put some effort into merging wmadeci.c with ffmpeg wmadec.c?
20:03:54Nico_Plinuxstb: any interesting talk I might want to look at, knowing I don't have much time ?
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20:04:28linuxstbNico_P: You're asking about IRC logs?
20:04:37Nico_Plinuxstb: mainly, yes
20:04:57linuxstbNico_P: I can't think of anything really. There was some general SoC chat this morning.
20:05:42linuxstbOr maybe yesterday...
20:05:44*linuxstb looks
20:06:40linuxstbNico_P: See yesterday's log from around 9.10am
20:06:56Nico_Pok, thanks
20:06:58parafinwhere is version in code saved?
20:07:09parafinwhich is showed during boot
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20:09:23linuxstbpreglow: It would be nice, but I'm not sure that would be straightforward. But at the very least someone could email the ffmpeg mailing list to make sure their devs know what's been done.
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20:12:09Nico_Plinuxstb: what did pondlife think wrong in my diff comment of;h=8642aa889d0c06e806aa23cb403d36f183867fdc ?
20:12:20Nico_Ptoo many things in one commit ?
20:12:36linuxstbNico_P: I've no idea...
20:13:06Nico_PI thought you might have known...
20:13:48preglowlinuxstb: saratoga has been corresponding with them a fair bit
20:14:08linuxstbPrivately? I can't recall seeing anything on the ffmpeg-dev mailing list.
20:18:29preglowon the list
20:21:37Nico_PGodEater: I see you and pondlife were a bit confused over my repos... I attempted to explain them in my wiki page (
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20:22:17Nico_PGodEater: I have one complete rockbox repo with a not-very-advanced "mob" branch, and a Rockbox-MoB repo with only the buffering code
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20:24:23preglowanyone know what is the shiznit in the aac encoder world these days?
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20:27:42MerthsoftIf I am making a plugin, do I run make in my normal build directory, or in the plugin directory?
20:29:21DomonokyMerthsoft: in the normal build dir.. and you have to add you plugin to the SOURCES file..
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20:37:34parafinso where is stored version string? daily snapshots has rockbox-date version , while svn checkouts only rockbox-
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20:39:12bluebrotherDomonoky: hi ...
20:39:38Domonokyhi bluebrother, i just commited something for the themes :-)
20:39:43bluebrotherthat hovering of the unscaled preview looks somewhat strange
20:40:27*Domonoky though hovering would be a better way to show it, than a button..
20:40:42Domonokyor do you mean, that the window doesnt have a frame ?
20:41:17bluebrotheryes −− it overlaps with the scaled image and you can't find it's "edges"
20:41:32bluebrotherI thought about something similar to the way amarok does it for covers
20:41:45bluebrotheropen a new window which only contains the image
20:42:42bluebrotheror put it into some kind tooltip box ;-)
20:43:10Domonokyif you change the setWindowFlags() call in preview.cpp you can get the windowframe back :-)
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20:46:57bluebrotherhmm. Can I put it into a tooltip easily that way?
20:48:40bluebrotherstill looks strange to me :/
20:48:56Domonokyhm, i dont think its easy to put an image into a tooltip..
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20:49:29Domonokybluebrother: if you just remove the setWindowFlags() its shows the normal dialog border..
20:50:44[IDC]Dragonhi Rockbox!
20:50:53[IDC]Dragonsorry to bother OT, I need a regexp advice
20:51:17[IDC]Dragon(for Perl)
20:52:07[IDC]Dragoncan I do a regext which breaks at whitespace, but not if that whitespace is somewhere inbetween sharp brackets < > ?
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20:52:42saratogalinuxstb: i've just posted about wmadeci.c in the fixed point thread on the ffmpeg mailing list
20:52:43KWhat[IDC]Dragon: are you in the right channel
20:52:46saratogano where else
20:53:13saratogathey're working on writing a fixed point library for developing audio codecs
20:53:24[IDC]DragonI'm abusing a channel full of smart people ;-)
20:53:27bluebrother[IDC]Dragon: I guess you could group the expression and use on that
20:53:27saratogaso i sent them what i'd done, as some of it was farther along then what they had
20:54:28saratogai think if their project pans out,merging the code in would be somewhat easier, as they would define standard interfaces for the mdct, fft, etc
20:54:40saratogaotherwise, i'd still like to merge what i have anyway
20:55:04saratogathough i'm still aware of 2-3 bugs i'd like to squish before we think of doing that
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20:55:37saratogaLSP decoding still sounds poor on a small fraction of files
20:55:54Domonokybluebrother: i added a groupbox around the label in the preview dialog, then it has little grey border when shown without windowborders...
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21:07:04Domonokybluebrother: should i commit this preview with goupbox border, or do you want to rework the preview completly ?
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21:08:43bluebrotherhmm, not sure. Maybe just commit it, we can change it later anyway ;-)
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21:17:16Domonokybluebrother: is the second theme preview image also aviable for rbutilqt ?
21:18:43Domonokyie, does the rbutil.php script also output the link to this second preview image ? we could use it in the splash preview :-)
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21:35:47parafinwhat's up with website?
21:35:47parafinit doesn't work
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21:35:47bluebrotherno, the second preview isn't used
21:35:47bluebrotherbut I could extend it.
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21:46:35qweruMy 4 GB SHDC card is now working in my Sansa e280 :)
21:47:07qweruThanks to the patch that Barry posted yesterday.
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21:59:08preglowrockbox rules
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22:02:36qweruYes, even SanDisk doesn't support this card with their original firmware.
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22:04:19villadelfiahello, I want to upload a wps. Could I get write permission? (I am RandyThiemann)
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22:28:05rasherBagder: I see you closed FS #7611, but I don't see the fix?
22:28:24Bagderit was mentioned in the close request to already have been fixed
22:29:19rasherwell, it isn't
22:29:21Bagderby Alessio Lenzi, and I thought he had this subject under control
22:30:13*Bagder re-opens
22:30:15rasherWell, something's up
22:30:18rasherHang on
22:30:41rasherToo late. Well I'm not quite sure what's going on
22:31:16*petur fixed TwikiUsersGroup and hopes people keep it sorted from now on
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22:32:18Bagderpetur: seen #7594 ?
22:32:25Bagderyou closed it as fixed a week ago
22:32:36rasherLooks like the voice strings are using different encoding from the regular strings
22:32:39Bagdernow the user wants to re-open since "the typo is back" ?
22:32:41rasherWhic is.. confusing
22:32:53Bagderrasher: ouch
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22:33:03peturerrr.. I committed a fixed version
22:33:26petursomebody didn't update before committing again?
22:33:32rasherOr maybe they were different, and converted to be utf8.
22:33:35maddlerevening all...
22:33:51rasherTake a look at for example LANG_CAR_ADAPTER_MODE -
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22:34:19rasherYou may have to force utf8 encoding in your browser
22:34:33Bagderpetur: we can blame bluebrother ...
22:34:34rasherThis was correct in r14158
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22:35:04Bagderbluebrother: re-introduced the typo in FS #7594
22:35:13rasher This is where things went pear-shaped
22:35:38*petur fixes it again just for the ohloh stats :)
22:35:56rasherAnd now I have to fix polski and chinese-simple automatically, somehow
22:35:58Bagderthe entry is open again too
22:36:17parafindoes ipod suppose to shutdown if it's charging?
22:36:18rasherThe translators didn't move strings as the langv2 rework told them to
22:36:33parafini mean it shouldn't shutdown
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22:41:16*bluebrother returns and notices the diff link ...
22:41:19bluebrotheroops :)
22:41:54*petur throws some typos at bluebrother
22:42:04*bluebrother ducks
22:42:08peturtoo late
22:42:09Bagderpetur - bluebrother, 1 - 0
22:42:31*petur wants a beer :p
22:42:35Domonoky_petur: feel free, to fix more then typos in rbutil :-)
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22:42:51Bagdermore than _the same_ typo even ;-)
22:43:00bluebrothershould I reintroduce it again?
22:43:06peturhey this was during tracker cleanup week...
22:43:17bluebrotherso we need another cleanup week ;-)
22:47:41Domonoky_bluebrother: what do you think, how far is it, till we replace rbutilwx ? :-)
22:47:41bluebrotherwell, caching is still missing.
22:47:41rasherWhat is the caching supposed to achieve?
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22:47:41bluebrothersomething I want to look into the next days ... I just was really busy until tonight
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22:47:41bluebrotherlooking for a job can be quite ... time-consuming :)
22:47:41Bagderhaving a job can be too ;-P
22:47:49bluebrotherindeed. Let's see when I get a paid job.
22:47:50peturheh yeah
22:48:04bluebrother(someone has job suggestions for me? ;-)
22:48:31peturask amiconn, he seems to have lots of time
22:48:45Bagderthe german Haxx department is too small to hire at this point ;-)
22:48:48bluebrotherrasher: the idea is that you can avoid getting each file every time −− f.e. the preview images for theme installation
22:49:15bluebrotherdamn. Tell me when you start hiring :D
22:50:15peturbah, H10 debug menu uses more lines than fit on the screen
22:50:26peturfor 5GB
22:50:47peturwhat was iriver thinking when they selected this screen
22:51:39Llorean"It's small, and cheap, at the same time! Do it!"
22:52:01Bagder"but hey, with colours present whose gonna notice?"
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23:35:11*petur is confused.. is rockbox.mi4 on the H10 always to be copied to /system and not into .rockbox?
23:35:48Bagderthe mi4 in /system is the bootloader I would assume
23:36:08peturwhat I thought...
23:36:31peturbut after unzipping my build it still boots the one of yesterday
23:36:36rasherPhew, think I managed to fix both the broken polish language, and the chinese-simplified patch
23:42:15peturhmmm I think I have the wrong bootloader? it's the same size as a normal build
23:43:03Bagdershould be 50K it seems
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23:44:26*petur stupid...
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23:46:52pixelmaLlorean, Bagder: I think I saw something what the OP did wrong in the X5-Thread but I'm not a 100% sure and if it comes to firmware flashing I'd rather be a bit carefull with advice...
23:48:10LloreanI'm not familiar with the x5 install process. Is the x5 firmware file supposed to be in a folder?
23:48:32LloreanHe lists it as simply "being on his x5"
23:48:35BagderI don't recall the exact details
23:48:40LloreanI think he means it's in the root.
23:48:58Bagderin the FIRMWARE directory
23:49:43Lloreanseems like we have a lot o "brickings" today.
23:49:45Bagder is the url
23:49:50LloreanHave we been run in a new magazine or anything?
23:50:04pixelmahe also names it "x5.fw" - shouldn't it be "x5_fw.bin"
23:50:16Bagderyes it should
23:50:31Bagderwe'll get there within the next 100 posts ;-O
23:50:50pixelmaok, I'll post what I had prepared
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23:54:03peturwow, this touchpad needs some serious filtering, no wonder things bump around like mad
23:55:17peturwhat a bad design, touching the sides gives the same effect as moving up
23:55:46pixelmain the OF?
23:56:06peturthey probably filter it
23:57:57pixelmaIIRC rockbox doesn't use it the same as OF yet (with sliding and stuff like that)

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