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| 00:02:42 | * | bluebrother wonders when ohloh will spider svn again ... |
| 00:03:31 | petur | bluebrother: they are updating existing project again after somebody enterd three linux distros last week |
| 00:03:48 | petur | which took them all week to recover :) |
| 00:04:03 | bluebrother | three distros? Urgh, that's a lot of code ... |
| 00:04:14 | rasher | Bagder: Ideally, you shouldn't have to change your scripts, but I guess you never know.. |
| 00:05:23 | Bagder | oh, Henrik Backe strikes back |
| 00:05:44 | Bagder | (FS #7657) |
| 00:05:46 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 00:06:27 | rasher | Seems reasonable |
| 00:06:37 | rasher | Although it should of course be /usr/local/rockbox instead |
| 00:06:40 | bluebrother | I dislike the folder name |
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| 00:07:08 | rasher | Yeah, not too fond of it either, but that's details, the general idea looks good |
| 00:07:10 | bluebrother | did he miss the patch? |
| 00:07:14 | Bagder | the idea and approach seems fine though |
| 00:07:41 | rasher | bluebrother: looks like it |
| 00:07:54 | Bagder | wow, it was two years!? |
| 00:07:59 | bluebrother | and the idea was already discussed, wasn't it? |
| 00:08:03 | Bagder | "I've not had the opportunity to do som rockboxing in almost two years." |
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| 00:08:26 | rasher | I'd rather keep the directory hidden, perhaps .user-data? |
| 00:08:28 | Bagder | yeah he missed the patch... |
| 00:08:31 | rasher | or something like that |
| 00:08:44 | parafin | .rockbox-data |
| 00:08:45 | * | petur also likes splitting bin and data |
| 00:09:04 | rasher | Although I guess by using a non-hidden folder it makes it easier for users to do the right thing |
| 00:09:27 | rasher | parafin: putting "user" in it makes it clearer that this is something that you *should* modify, whereas .rockbox isn't |
| 00:09:27 | bluebrother | average users should use rbutil anyway :) |
| 00:09:37 | rasher | bluebrother: Bias |
| 00:10:12 | Bagder | well, average users should use rbutil but it won't prevent that they will do occasional manual poking too |
| 00:10:38 | rasher | I have all sorts of crap in my .rockbox for this very reason. I found myself wondering about polski-ascii the other day. Turns out that was removed half a year ago |
| 00:11:13 | petur | :) |
| 00:11:20 | parafin | the bad thinks about .rockbox is plugin saves, which are found all over the place |
| 00:11:23 | bluebrother | rasher: ;-) |
| 00:11:34 | parafin | ^thinks^thing |
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| 00:12:07 | Bagder | that's _one_ bad thing about it |
| 00:12:17 | petur | yup |
| 00:12:37 | rasher | Having user-installed cruft along with the "official" themes/fonts etc is another |
| 00:12:58 | rasher | Makes it difficult to do an upgrade without the risk of orphan files |
| 00:13:32 | Bagder | yeah, it'll be good to more or less be able to make .rockbox read-only |
| 00:13:41 | parafin | the point is that i want to be able delete .rockbox and install new version of rockbox without losing my preferences |
| 00:14:00 | Bagder | parafin: I think we all basically agree on this |
| 00:14:32 | Bagder | now there's a patch available... |
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| 00:14:43 | bluebrother | well, not yet ;-) |
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| 00:14:50 | Bagder | check again |
| 00:15:01 | Bagder | he added it |
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| 00:15:17 | bluebrother | ah :) |
| 00:15:48 | bluebrother | but why look in /.rockbox anymore at all? |
| 00:15:52 | henrikb | Hi, the patch is uploaded now (my first task since the move to flyspray) |
| 00:16:06 | Bagder | bluebrother: for things we ship by default I guess, like themes |
| 00:16:18 | bluebrother | ok, makes sense. |
| 00:16:32 | Bagder | henrikb: yeah, we noticed. welcome back btw! |
| 00:16:41 | bluebrother | but it's not needed for recent bookmark file, plugins config etc. |
| 00:18:04 | Bagder | unless you want to allow a transition time |
| 00:18:20 | rasher | That's what the plugin's for! |
| 00:18:24 | rasher | I assume |
| 00:18:37 | bluebrother | do we want such a thing? Moving the plugins to the categories system also hadn't one ... |
| 00:18:45 | rasher | I certainly think it should get removed again eventually. |
| 00:18:57 | rasher | If not completely left out |
| 00:19:24 | rasher | I don't see the need to run it at *each* boot? |
| 00:19:30 | bluebrother | as we don't have an official release I think we can safely leave out any transition period |
| 00:20:18 | rasher | Maybe just include the plugin and state somewhere (frontpage news? MajorChanges? Forum post? Mail to -users?) that you need to run this plugin once to migrate settings |
| 00:20:39 | Bagder | I think I'll prefer that approach |
| 00:21:26 | rasher | And then stop building the plugin after a month or two |
| 00:21:43 | henrikb | Well, Its either on every boot, or it'll have to be run manually once, and not runnig it will cause probelems ehen config.cfg is saved. |
| 00:22:11 | bluebrother | why will it cause problems? Because the folder structure is missing? |
| 00:22:14 | rasher | I think that's the user's problem, to be honest. Requiring a single manual run is fine as far as I'm concerned |
| 00:22:16 | henrikb | yup |
| 00:22:17 | Bagder | but now I'll sleep... |
| 00:22:28 | DerPapst | night |
| 00:22:29 | parafin | why not place some flag if conversion has been already made? |
| 00:22:42 | bluebrother | well, you could fallback to the old location if the folder is missing ... |
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| 00:23:34 | rasher | parafin: might be sensible, but then again, that means a disc access on every boot |
| 00:23:38 | henrikb | the flag could be that /rockbox (or whatever is the proper name)n is created. |
| 00:24:41 | bluebrother | you would still either need to have additional code in the core that is superfluous after conversion or run a plugin upon boot, which would require a disc access. |
| 00:25:21 | henrikb | Thats right but there is alredy plenty of disc activity on boot |
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| 00:25:59 | henrikb | but code bloat is always an issue |
| 00:26:11 | bluebrother | still it would increase boot time |
| 00:26:34 | bluebrother | something that is not wanted. I think it's absolutely safe to require the user to do a step manually |
| 00:26:50 | bluebrother | and btw, we could include the folder structure in the distributed zip file |
| 00:27:18 | rasher | bluebrother: then you run the risk of retarded unzippers potentially messing it up :| |
| 00:27:34 | rasher | But I guess we'll have to. What else would new users do |
| 00:27:42 | bluebrother | and tell the user to manually move the config files or create new ones |
| 00:27:48 | rasher | Ignore me |
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| 00:28:41 | rasher | Regarding the recent post to -dev, perhaps a new plugin category is needed? System or something |
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| 00:29:43 | EnterUserName | hi all |
| 00:29:50 | EnterUserName | how long should the battery last on a Sansa? |
| 00:29:58 | EnterUserName | if watching videos.. |
| 00:31:37 | henrikb | I put the plugin in apps, i think at least one more system plugin is needed before creating a new category. |
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| 00:32:21 | bluebrother | I believe we could safely go without the plugin. |
| 00:33:11 | rasher | bluebrother: I wouldn't say entirely without it, just tell users to run it manually |
| 00:33:28 | rasher | and remove the plugin again in a while |
| 00:33:49 | rasher | henrikb: I meant for plugins that are used by the core (such as properties and credits) |
| 00:34:07 | bluebrother | there will be enough users that will not have updated in that time frame and complain ... |
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| 00:34:47 | henrikb | rasher: properties is a viewer bu credits would qualify |
| 00:35:02 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Yes, as demonstrated by the ipod users who still haven't updated to the latest bootloader.... |
| 00:35:07 | bluebrother | as we'll get support questions out of such a move anyway why bother about the plugin at all? |
| 00:35:32 | rasher | bluebrother: hit them with a cluebat.. at that point it really isn't our problem I say. HAving the plugin in a short transition period seems the nicer thing to do |
| 00:36:23 | bluebrother | how much configuration files is it really? config.cfg |
| 00:36:36 | bluebrother | and for the plugins we had the same issue short ago ;-) |
| 00:36:39 | rasher | bluebrother: user themes, plugin savefiles, user fonts... |
| 00:36:53 | bluebrother | well, they can still live in the old location |
| 00:37:07 | rasher | But the point is to help people do the right thing |
| 00:37:14 | rasher | Unless they're too damn slow, of course |
| 00:37:27 | bluebrother | btw, all theme zips would need to be adjusted too. |
| 00:37:50 | henrikb | I think that the part that creates the directory structure could stay and only the file copying part be removed after the transition period. |
| 00:38:02 | henrikb | Themes will work in both places |
| 00:38:14 | rasher | But they shouldn't be put in the old location anymore |
| 00:38:19 | henrikb | true |
| 00:38:23 | bluebrother | henrikb: why use a plugin for creating the folder structure? Just add the structure to the zip file |
| 00:38:42 | bluebrother | users will stop using the old structure once theme files are updated. |
| 00:39:09 | bluebrother | and if a user grabs a theme zip with old structure he will extract it to the old structure ... |
| 00:39:31 | henrikb | I'ts easier to to figure out which directories ar needed for each platform in .c than in perl |
| 00:40:01 | rasher | bluebrother: and then lose it in the next update and bitch at the author (in a perfect world, in reality we'll bitch at us, but we'll tell him it's the author's fault) |
| 00:40:45 | henrikb | rasher: why would he loose it at the next update |
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| 00:40:50 | rasher | henrikb: the structure could be created by the build system prior to running buildzip.pl |
| 00:40:54 | bluebrother | henrikb: not sure ... we already do that, so the buildzip script would just need to mirror the folders |
| 00:41:28 | rasher | henrikb: well, he might. If he deletes it (because he's been told that you can safely delete .rockbox when upgrading now) |
| 00:42:41 | henrikb | rasher: don't tell the user that until the themes sites have fixed all there themes. |
| 00:42:56 | henrikb | their |
| 00:43:06 | rasher | That'll be approximately never |
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| 00:44:35 | henrikb | Time to go to bed, bye. |
| 00:45:39 | saratoga | linuxstb: around? |
| 00:45:50 | saratoga | libuxstb_: you too |
| 00:46:15 | linuxstb_ | I am |
| 00:46:33 | saratoga | someone sent me a really intersting file |
| 00:46:52 | saratoga | it decodes correctly in that old test program you sent me a month or so back |
| 00:46:59 | saratoga | but not in the current version of rockbox |
| 00:47:29 | saratoga | how different are those two parsers? |
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| 00:47:38 | saratoga | i want to dig into this issue |
| 00:47:50 | linuxstb_ | Which old test program are you talking about? Which parser was it using? |
| 00:48:00 | saratoga | the one you sent me on July 1 or so |
| 00:48:11 | saratoga | the original version you wrote |
| 00:48:24 | saratoga | i tried it on this file and amazingly it works, while the current svn does not |
| 00:48:29 | linuxstb_ | I can't remember - was that using libasf? |
| 00:48:38 | saratoga | i think so |
| 00:48:51 | saratoga | its got a libasf folder, but i thought it was the parser you wrote? |
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| 00:49:49 | linuxstb_ | If it's got a libasf folder, then it's using libasf |
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| 00:50:45 | linuxstb_ | You just need to add (or enable) some debugging DEBUGFs in wma.c and see what's going wrong. |
| 00:50:45 | saratoga | ok, nerochiaro said it wasn't quite libasf in there, so i assumed it was your parser |
| 00:50:49 | saratoga | perhaps he was mistaken |
| 00:51:21 | saratoga | ok i'll do that |
| 00:52:53 | bush_pma | k |
| 00:53:03 | linuxstb_ | saratoga: Did you test if the asf parser is passing the final packet to the decoder? The other day you said you didn't think it did. |
| 00:55:06 | saratoga | linuxstb: I'm pretty sure it doesn't |
| 00:55:15 | saratoga | since the last packet is often smaller then the others |
| 00:55:31 | saratoga | it tends to just return -1 and end the song 200 ms early |
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| 00:56:11 | linuxstb_ | I don't think the file duration being reported by Rockbox is correct though. |
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| 00:56:12 | saratoga | i didn't really look into it though |
| 00:56:17 | saratoga | its not |
| 00:56:32 | saratoga | my test file is always reported being 2 seconds longer |
| 00:56:41 | saratoga | but i'm not sure if thats related |
| 00:56:57 | saratoga | at least the difference in length and the difference in playback time doesn't seem to be the same, so i'm assuming its two different problems |
| 00:58:20 | saratoga | i've really been unenthusiastic about working on the parser i guess |
| 00:58:24 | saratoga | its just less interesting to me |
| 00:58:33 | saratoga | and also much more annoying to try and debug from a windows machine |
| 00:59:20 | linuxstb_ | Yes, but it's just as important as the decoder... |
| 00:59:55 | rasher | Hrm, that's not too bad. Make voice took 3:40 on my 1.3ghz laptop in cygwin. |
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| 01:00:42 | linuxstb_ | rasher: How quick is a Rockbox build on your laptop in cygwin? |
| 01:01:14 | rasher | No idea.. let me try |
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| 01:04:26 | rasher | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `sysfont.h', needed by `/home/rasher/rockbox/build/apps/bookmark.o'. Stop |
| 01:04:31 | rasher | Remind me again what this means |
| 01:04:45 | rasher | It's something entirely unrelated to sysfont, I remember that, but not much else |
| 01:05:10 | linuxstb_ | Do you have the compiler installed? |
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| 01:05:44 | rasher | Yup |
| 01:06:45 | rasher | Hm.. somehting might have gone wrong |
| 01:06:55 | rasher | I entirely blame rockboxdev.sh |
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| 01:08:19 | rasher | I do have m68k-elf-*.. strange |
| 01:08:37 | rasher | arm failed to install at all, it seems |
| 01:09:20 | rasher | I do *not* have the patience to debug rockboxdev.sh on cygwin.. |
| 01:09:28 | rasher | Let me install from the rockbox cygwin mirror |
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| 01:10:19 | saratoga | linuxstb: i'm not seeing anything obvious wrong with this file |
| 01:10:33 | saratoga | its a vbr file, all packets ar ethe same length, and i'm not getting any errors |
| 01:10:40 | saratoga | but about 9000 samples decode as nonsense |
| 01:10:47 | saratoga | any ideas where i should be looking? |
| 01:12:21 | linuxstb_ | Which 9000 samples? |
| 01:12:32 | saratoga | towards the end of the first packet |
| 01:12:48 | linuxstb_ | And then subsequent packets are OK? |
| 01:13:15 | linuxstb_ | Does it have multiple payloads/packet? |
| 01:13:15 | saratoga | 26592 samples in the first packet, samples 23000 to 28900 are off |
| 01:13:21 | saratoga | no multiple payloads |
| 01:13:36 | saratoga | and subsequent packets are mostly ok, though a few others do the same thing (i think) |
| 01:13:45 | linuxstb_ | Have you checked how much data it's passing to the decoder, and compared that to the working parser? |
| 01:14:36 | saratoga | not yet, still finding my way around the working one |
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| 01:15:01 | saratoga | however, since most subsequent packets decode normally, I assume the data passed is right |
| 01:15:11 | saratoga | i think my decode would not resync if the wrong amount of data were passed |
| 01:15:36 | linuxstb_ | It sounds to me as if the problem is more likely to be the decoder then. There's not much the parser can get wrong. |
| 01:16:02 | saratoga | i loaded the svn decoder into the libasf code and it decodes normally |
| 01:16:18 | saratoga | the only thing i changed to use it with libasf is the code for decoding one frame at a time |
| 01:16:25 | saratoga | since libasf still returns 1 superframe |
| 01:16:38 | saratoga | do you think thats likely to be the problem? |
| 01:18:25 | saratoga | the width of the problem areas made me think parser, since its much larger then 1 frame, but i suppose if an entire superframe weren't decoded right, that might be big enough |
| 01:18:44 | saratoga | i will look into that and see if the errors line up with superframe boundaries |
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| 01:28:36 | rasher | linuxstb_: I can't manage to build with cygwin.. getting all sorts of errors for the various archs |
| 01:29:22 | saratoga | linuxstb: are superframes always equal to one packet? |
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| 01:43:28 | homielowe | (s) |
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| 01:47:43 | saratoga | what does this code actually do: ((bit_offset + 7) >> 3) |
| 01:47:51 | saratoga | some sort of rounding operation? |
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| 01:57:20 | saratoga | linuxstb: i'm looking at libasf's asf_data_read_payloads and asf_data_get_packet functions |
| 01:57:29 | saratoga | they're very similar to what you put in wma.c |
| 01:57:42 | saratoga | why did you need to change them for rockbox? |
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| 03:56:35 | dalton | I have the line + ++ptr; from a patch. how many + signs should it have in the actual code? |
| 03:56:55 | scorche | 2 |
| 03:57:18 | scorche | at least from that paste |
| 03:57:52 | scorche | does your screen reader not see the spaces between teh first + and the other 2? |
| 03:58:41 | dalton | there were three + signs. Maybe I left one out. so should one be taken out in the code? |
| 03:58:49 | saratoga | yes |
| 03:58:58 | dalton | ok thanks |
| 03:59:04 | saratoga | though +++ptr and ++ptr do the same thing |
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| 10:06:05 | scorche | bluebrother: oye...user-ML |
| 10:06:18 | scorche | "I can't be bothered with the 'tunnel vision' style of 'obey or leave'." |
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| 10:14:53 | n1s | haha, so they want people who wants the list to follow guidelines to ignore their posts and also want help from the same people... |
| 10:18:28 | bluebrother | sure −− why not? ;-) |
| 10:20:38 | Llorean | Maybe we should arrange a scripted weekly or bi-weekly mailing of the guidelines? |
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| 10:20:48 | Llorean | If it can be trimmed from the archives. |
| 10:21:31 | bluebrother | well, I don't think it hurts too much in the archives |
| 10:21:46 | bluebrother | just give the mail a good subject |
| 10:22:08 | Llorean | "Weekly guideline reminder"? Heh |
| 10:22:17 | n1s | Llorean: sadly it wont help, people don't read guidelines anyway |
| 10:22:20 | bluebrother | "Weekly ignorance reminder" :) |
| 10:23:30 | scorche | it isnt about whether top or bottom posting is superior...it is about willful ignoring of guidelines...and no one has said anything remotely close to "obey or leave" |
| 10:24:12 | Llorean | My problem is the assumption that any reminder of the rules is automatically hostile. |
| 10:24:23 | Llorean | I don't think any of us feel ill will the first time someone top posts. It's a case of "Oh, they didn't see the guidelines" |
| 10:27:13 | bluebrother | well, usually someone writes a reminder to the etiquette. But this also only happens sometimes |
| 10:27:32 | bluebrother | maybe this should be done more often? Otoh that will clutter the archives even more :( |
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| 10:29:26 | Llorean | I just find myself repeatedly caught off guard by how indignant they get when they find out they're actually expected to follow the rules. |
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| 10:29:38 | Llorean | I'm honestly curious why they think anyone even bothered to write them down if they're not supposed to matter. |
| 10:30:04 | bluebrother | because the downloaded a "product"? |
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| 10:40:49 | n1s | jhMikeS: ping |
| 10:45:45 | n1s | anyway, for the logs probably, could you have a quick look at the "play_flush-voice-fix.diff" patch in FS #6239 and comment on if you think it will break anything? |
| 10:48:23 | n1s | it touches scary playback.c land and queues none of which I'm comfortable with :-) |
| 10:51:15 | hcs | I'm glad to report that I haven't experienced a freeze with my ipod color in a long time; every now and again playback will freeze until I pause and unpause, but this is much less irritating than having to reboot every half hour. |
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| 12:05:13 | rvvs89 | hmm, I seem to have swapped my #rockbox window with my #uncyclopedia window... |
| 12:05:16 | rvvs89 | sorry about that |
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| 12:06:37 | falen | Anybody knows the name of that c++ channel on freenode? |
| 12:07:48 | bdgraue | falen: /join ##c++ |
| 12:08:14 | falen | Thank you! |
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| 12:58:46 | webguest82 | hello can anyoen help me ? :p |
| 12:59:03 | petur | we could if you would ask the question ;) |
| 12:59:06 | webguest82 | i have problem with dell latitude d600 hdd |
| 12:59:07 | ddalton | what with? |
| 12:59:18 | webguest82 | hdd have password protect |
| 12:59:20 | petur | webguest82: wrong channel? |
| 12:59:36 | ddalton | yeah I think he is on the wrong one. |
| 12:59:43 | webguest82 | really? :D |
| 12:59:45 | webmind | looks like it yes |
| 12:59:45 | petur | I know why |
| 12:59:59 | ddalton | this is the rockbox channel. |
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| 13:00:11 | petur | google points to rockbox when searching for harddisk password |
| 13:00:17 | scorche | webguest82: unless you think that has something to do with rockbox (you are even using our webclient), it is offtopic in this channel |
| 13:00:28 | webguest82 | aww |
| 13:00:53 | webmind | why do people blindly follow google? without -reading- the website ? |
| 13:01:02 | webguest82 | who cares :p |
| 13:01:07 | scorche | we do |
| 13:01:10 | webguest82 | so sry and gl |
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| 13:01:24 | Domonoky | in the very early times of rockbox, there were problems with harddisk password lock.. so google links to rockbox.. but we cant help.. :-) |
| 13:01:38 | scorche | it happens... |
| 13:01:40 | * | petur wanted to point him to http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html |
| 13:02:36 | bluebrother | too late |
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| 13:13:50 | * | petur wonders where the hell austriancoder went... |
| 13:14:13 | n1s | petur: how is the usb stuff coming along? |
| 13:14:29 | petur | zero progress |
| 13:14:48 | bluebrother | doesn't sound good :( |
| 13:14:54 | scorche | petur: so did you end up failing or passing?...isnt tomorrow the deadline? |
| 13:14:58 | petur | austriancoder hasn't been online in almost 6 days |
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| 13:15:49 | n1s | :-( |
| 13:15:53 | petur | I have not done his evaluation, I have mailed him that I have set him a deadline on tonight. If I do not see code I will fail him |
| 13:17:52 | scorche | did he give any warning, or real-life occurances that would explain these absences? |
| 13:18:43 | petur | the last mail I got mentioned his mother having a car crash but she was ok only he had to do more real-life stuff |
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| 13:19:28 | petur | that was on 20/8 |
| 13:19:44 | Domonoky | hm, nobody has a phone numer of austriancoder, and ask him whats up ? would be nicer than just fail him on gSoc |
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| 13:20:33 | petur | that is why I set him a generous deadline, following google rules would have failed him already |
| 13:20:57 | petur | maybe I should try to find a tele number |
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| 13:21:20 | petur | but he could at least have answered one of my mails by now |
| 13:21:27 | ddalton | what was he doing? |
| 13:22:00 | Domonoky | bluebrother: any reason why release installing in rbutilQt doesnt work ? |
| 13:22:47 | bluebrother | Domonoky: you mean installing a release build? |
| 13:22:52 | * | petur goes to lunch |
| 13:22:54 | Domonoky | yes |
| 13:23:04 | bluebrother | it isn't completely finished yet :) |
| 13:23:36 | Domonoky | bluebrother: the code tells me, it just needs the correct filename, right ? |
| 13:23:53 | bluebrother | it shouldn't me more |
| 13:24:05 | Domonoky | then i will fix it :-) |
| 13:24:10 | bluebrother | but I haven't looked into that |
| 13:24:31 | bluebrother | I started looking into the logfile stuff. I now have a nice log viewer tab :) |
| 13:24:44 | Domonoky | nice.. :-) |
| 13:26:06 | bluebrother | now I need to move the saved numbers to revisions ... which is a bit more work |
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| 13:34:48 | Domonoky | now the installing of release builds works :-) |
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| 13:37:55 | rasher | Lear: Which voice were you talking about for cygwin? |
| 13:38:15 | bluebrother | Domonoky: nice :) |
| 13:38:47 | rasher | Lear: Ah, I read your question wrong. I thought you were pointing one out to me. No, I don't know of any. |
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| 13:52:36 | Domonoky | bluebrother: for the Small and the Complete Installation, we need something to detect an installed bootloader (with version or timestamp), so we dont install the bootloader if it isnt neccessary.. am i right ? |
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| 13:53:53 | bluebrother | well, on Ipods it's safe to just overwrite the bootloader |
| 13:54:04 | bluebrother | no idea about the sansa though. |
| 13:54:37 | Domonoky | where we have the patcher, its not a problem.. but the other targets.. because they need user interaction.. |
| 13:54:40 | bluebrother | I was wondering if it makes sense to store bootloader information in the log file |
| 13:55:25 | bluebrother | another way would be to read the Ipod bootloader and md5 it. That way we could detect the version |
| 13:56:13 | Domonoky | bluebrother: is this should work on all targets, we need a file with the info, we cant detect the bootloader on all targets.. |
| 13:56:32 | bluebrother | well, we can't do that on h100 and h300 |
| 13:56:34 | rasher | Not to mention, it's impossible to detect bootloader on h3xx or h1xx |
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| 13:57:05 | Domonoky | thats what i meant, so we need a file, that rbutilqt creates, when it installs the bootloader |
| 13:57:20 | bluebrother | well, just add the information to the log file |
| 13:57:47 | bluebrother | that way we can display bootloader version in the info tab I'm working on |
| 13:58:19 | Domonoky | hm.. the log is inside .rockbox, am i right ? i think it would be better to have this info in the root (or extra folder) so it persits when you delete .rockbox |
| 13:58:50 | bluebrother | well, if a user uses rbutil he shouldn't need to delete that folder manually |
| 13:58:53 | Domonoky | but we could start with adding the info to the log.. |
| 13:59:09 | bluebrother | but once we have a split between system and settings we can just move the log file |
| 13:59:21 | Domonoky | yes.. thats good.. |
| 13:59:46 | Domonoky | now i only need to get that info (version/timestamp) for the bootloader :-) |
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| 14:00:16 | bluebrother | we could add the md5sums to rbutil.ini |
| 14:01:36 | Domonoky | bluebrother: could work, but then we need to update rbutil, if we release a new bootloader.. |
| 14:01:57 | Domonoky | (we could of course build a function to load a new rbutil.ini from a server) :-) |
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| 14:03:18 | bluebrother | it could also be a file similar to build-info |
| 14:03:46 | bluebrother | which would be required to hold md5sums for old bootloaders too |
| 14:04:25 | Domonoky | yes a bootloaders-info file on the server would be good.. |
| 14:04:31 | bluebrother | otherwise we could only assume it being an outdated bootloader if the md5sum doesn't match |
| 14:05:23 | Domonoky | if we have a bootloaders-info file, we could also use version numbers.. |
| 14:05:46 | bluebrother | given that the file provides them, yes |
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| 14:06:10 | bluebrother | otoh a user always wants to have the most recent bootloader |
| 14:06:27 | bluebrother | so it would be sufficient to detect if the bootloader matches the most recent version |
| 14:06:28 | Domonoky | no, if you put a new bootloader on the server, you have to modify the bootloaders-info file, and there you just bump the versio.. schould work.. |
| 14:07:59 | Domonoky | of course with md5 you could automate the updating of the bootloaders-info file.. but there arnt to often new bootloaders.. |
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| 14:08:50 | bluebrother | well, if I want to detect the bootloader version regardless of rbutil.log I should use md5 |
| 14:08:53 | bluebrother | or something similar. |
| 14:10:08 | Domonoky | yes..you are right.. |
| 14:11:10 | Domonoky | so we need someone with write rights on download.rockbox.org, to create the bootloaders.info file :-) |
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| 14:34:13 | Domonoky | can somebody (bagder?) put this file : domonoky/bootloaders-info">http://www.b23.org/~domonoky/bootloaders-info onto http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ please ?? |
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| 14:54:20 | Nico_P | "FS #7660 - Plugin espeak TTS engine for rockbox"... is that by the TTS SoC student ? |
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| 14:56:55 | JdGordon | Nico_P: i dont think so.... |
| 14:57:55 | JdGordon | Nico_P: hows the playback hacking going? |
| 14:58:27 | Nico_P | JdGordon: nothing new... been on vacation and now I have to work for resits :( |
| 14:58:34 | JdGordon | :( |
| 14:58:42 | JdGordon | how many resits? |
| 14:58:44 | Nico_P | I hope to be able to do a bit of hacking though |
| 14:58:49 | Nico_P | 3... |
| 14:58:52 | Nico_P | all math |
| 14:58:59 | JdGordon | :( |
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| 15:01:50 | Nico_P | JdGordon: the resits are on the 3rd and 4th of september, so after that I should be mostly free to hack |
| 15:02:48 | JdGordon | plenty of time to cram :) |
| 15:03:07 | Nico_P | "cram" ? |
| 15:03:12 | JdGordon | study your ass off |
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| 15:03:40 | Nico_P | ah right, yeah... hopefully I'll be ready :) |
| 15:03:56 | JdGordon | resits because you couldnt do it at the time? or fails? |
| 15:04:09 | JdGordon | coz if we fail a exam we have to retake the whole subject, not jst the exam |
| 15:04:42 | Nico_P | I failed the math part of my year so they gave me some exams to retake |
| 15:05:20 | Nico_P | the rest (CS and everything else) was perfectly fine |
| 15:05:29 | JdGordon | of course :) noone likes math |
| 15:05:39 | * | JdGordon somewhat jelous... |
| 15:05:46 | Nico_P | why ? |
| 15:06:07 | JdGordon | I could be finishing this semester if i was alowd to resit exams instead of redoing them the next semester |
| 15:06:17 | Nico_P | oh |
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| 15:08:07 | * | JdGordon does ESP thing to get Linus online.... |
| 15:08:47 | * | bluebrother lost quite some time during studying because resits were never the same semester |
| 15:10:14 | daurnimator | JdGordon: knock him on the head |
| 15:10:34 | * | JdGordon doesnt think thats the best idea :p |
| 15:10:50 | daurnimator | rear a calf instead |
| 15:11:22 | JdGordon | fark, its only 11.10.. i tohught it was 12.10... :'( gonna run out of download limit again this month |
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| 15:11:51 | daurnimator | haha |
| 15:11:54 | daurnimator | what you getting? |
| 15:12:04 | daurnimator | JdGordon: what does 1 hour do anyway? |
| 15:12:14 | JdGordon | free time starts at midnight |
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| 15:12:25 | daurnimator | so... delay what you're doing for 50 mins |
| 15:13:02 | JdGordon | ssmarty-pants! |
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| 15:48:05 | * | Domonoky has now the code ready to include the md5sum for the bootloaders into the installlog of rbutil, now someone has to move the bootloaders-info file to download.rockbox.org ... |
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| 16:09:30 | bluebrother | Domonoky: you noticed that Qt has md5 functions shipped? |
| 16:10:41 | * | Domonoky knows it but at the moment i only use the info from the bootloader-info file.. checking for new bootloaders isnt done yet.. :-) |
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| 16:16:54 | * | bluebrother wonders if it was feasible to not download that much foo-info files but simply get a php script that combines those ... |
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| 16:26:50 | Domonoky | bluebrother: i think this wouldnt be bad.. we now have at least 3 different info files.. |
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| 16:38:21 | Kevi | can someone help me? i plugged in my ipod and the e drive only comes on when i sync and goes of when its done |
| 16:38:25 | Kevi | how do i stop this? |
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| 17:00:55 | bluebrother | Domonoky: shouldn't we use something more descriptive than "rockboxbase" in the log file? |
| 17:01:22 | bluebrother | QSettings can cope with spaces and stuff, so "Rockbox Base" or similar shouldn't give any trouble |
| 17:02:28 | Kingstone | will there be a rockbox on iphone? |
| 17:02:34 | Kingstone | or it's not even a question? |
| 17:02:55 | bluebrother | read http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort |
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| 17:03:44 | DerPapst | Kingstone: trying it here as well huh? :P |
| 17:04:52 | bluebrother | will there be someone paying me for working on Rockbox? |
| 17:05:49 | Kingstone | nope, it's an open source project |
| 17:05:58 | Kingstone | i didn't obliged you to do it |
| 17:06:02 | thegeek | I suggest you do it Kingstone |
| 17:06:11 | Kingstone | i don't have an iphone.. |
| 17:06:16 | thegeek | then get one? |
| 17:06:18 | Kingstone | i don't leave in the US lol |
| 17:06:21 | thegeek | so? |
| 17:06:22 | thegeek | ebay man |
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| 17:06:36 | thegeek | it's even unlocked now |
| 17:06:37 | Kingstone | well i would want to see it work in order to try and port it |
| 17:06:39 | thegeek | so you can use it wherever |
| 17:06:42 | Kingstone | not working here |
| 17:06:46 | Kingstone | not entirely true |
| 17:06:56 | Kingstone | only suitable networks |
| 17:07:01 | Kingstone | not in my country |
| 17:07:01 | thegeek | there is a 100% hardware unlock |
| 17:07:08 | thegeek | and two different sim unlock solutions |
| 17:07:12 | thegeek | all of them work |
| 17:07:23 | thegeek | and there is a supposed software unlock coming soon too |
| 17:07:27 | thegeek | so yes |
| 17:07:38 | Kingstone | well still even if i get it to work, i'm not going to pay 4000$ for this one |
| 17:07:39 | thegeek | it will work in your country |
| 17:07:46 | thegeek | oh I see |
| 17:07:51 | thegeek | so you expect the devs to do so? |
| 17:07:58 | Kingstone | nope |
| 17:08:03 | Kingstone | if someone of you |
| 17:08:05 | Kingstone | already has one |
| 17:08:12 | Kingstone | because he wanted to buy it for himself |
| 17:08:19 | Kingstone | and is willing out of his own good will |
| 17:08:26 | Kingstone | to also work/try this project |
| 17:08:29 | Kingstone | be my guest |
| 17:08:38 | Kingstone | i never said anyone must've do it |
| 17:08:49 | Kingstone | me myself helped develope stuff for ipod |
| 17:08:54 | Kingstone | but i can't do it for iphone |
| 17:09:10 | thegeek | I you've developed for rockbox you should know how it works |
| 17:09:30 | thegeek | and you should also know why noone can say for sure if there will be an iphone port |
| 17:10:50 | bluebrother | and it shouldn't be hard to guess that there is not much interest in the iphone. |
| 17:10:55 | bluebrother | at least not in this channel |
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| 17:12:08 | thegeek | If* |
| 17:15:16 | bluebrother | Domonoky: what happened to moving the configuration of the talk creation window to the configure dialog? |
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| 17:29:23 | Domonoky | bluebrother: i never finished it.. it was getting complicated, so i will rewrite its someday, when i find time :-), if you dont beat me to it :-) |
| 17:31:29 | Domonoky | and about the Section "rockboxbase" in the log file, rename it if you like.. when i named this section, we didnt have something to show them :-) |
| 17:32:43 | n1s | Anybody using the recording trigger around? |
| 17:34:32 | n1s | I was thinking about changing the recording trigger screen to a regular menu, that will of course remove the peakmeters at the bottom, are those very useful? |
| 17:34:41 | bluebrother | I'm about committing the log rework ... just trying on windows first. |
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| 17:53:09 | _jz | hey |
| 17:53:22 | _jz | i found a bug in the 0924 version |
| 17:53:49 | _jz | when hitting "next" with crossfading enabled, but right before the end of the song, some reaaaally weird shit happens |
| 17:54:03 | _jz | no not hitting next but selecting some other track |
| 17:54:14 | bluebrother | which version are you referring to? |
| 17:54:24 | _jz | when you select some other track and expect it to crossfade to that track, it instead breaks and start playing the next song in the playlist |
| 17:54:33 | _jz | then after some seconds crossfades to the track you selected |
| 17:54:36 | _jz | that's awful :/ |
| 17:54:46 | _jz | bluebrother: on second |
| 17:55:00 | _jz | r14444-070823 |
| 17:55:03 | n1s | _jz: does it happend every time? |
| 17:55:13 | _jz | i think so |
| 17:55:16 | _jz | i'll test again |
| 17:55:30 | * | bluebrother wonders what _jz meant with "0924 version" then |
| 17:55:42 | _jz | i meant 0824 |
| 17:55:45 | n1s | I guess it has to spin up the hard drive to load the track you selected and keeps playing what's in the buffer until it can get the file |
| 17:55:45 | _jz | but i was wrong :) |
| 17:55:47 | _jz | it's 0823 |
| 17:55:56 | _jz | it worked before ! |
| 17:56:08 | _jz | i did any kind of acrobatic crossfading from beginning / middle / end of tracks before |
| 17:56:16 | bluebrother | please always use complete version numbers. |
| 17:56:22 | _jz | yep sorry |
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| 17:57:09 | bluebrother | can you fast forward to the end or does it only occur if you let it play all the time? |
| 17:57:15 | n1s | _jz: but if you are at the end of a track, spinning up the drive takes about 1-2 seconds, it will start the next song in the buffer until it can read the new file |
| 17:57:33 | _jz | i got flash in my sansa |
| 17:57:43 | bluebrother | hmm, I can't reproduce it here. Crossfading works fine. |
| 17:57:47 | _jz | hmm i can't reproduce it now i reduced the fade-in/fade-out times to 10 secs instead of 15 |
| 17:57:51 | n1s | aha, it could have helped if you said which device you used |
| 17:57:53 | _jz | maybe it only happens at 15sec |
| 17:58:31 | bluebrother | fade-in delay? fade-out? |
| 17:58:44 | _jz | no delay, duration |
| 17:58:46 | _jz | I try again |
| 17:59:26 | bluebrother | still works here, even with duration set to 15s |
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| 18:00:16 | _jz | I just redone it right now |
| 18:00:30 | _jz | maybe you don't have just to skip to the end of the song for this to happen |
| 18:00:38 | _jz | but maybe listen to the end of the song |
| 18:00:39 | bluebrother | I suggest to update to the most recent build before doing further tests. |
| 18:00:45 | _jz | yep good idea |
| 18:00:49 | bluebrother | well, can you still reproduce it? |
| 18:00:53 | _jz | i'll do it right away |
| 18:01:01 | _jz | i'll tell you with most recent version in a few minutes |
| 18:01:04 | _jz | i just reproduced it |
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| 18:01:38 | _jz | btw i had a feature idea... soooo simple and useful ... :) |
| 18:02:01 | _jz | in the contextual menu for one track having the "play next" or "enqueue" to insert that track just after the currently playing track ! |
| 18:02:19 | petur | n1s: re the rec trigger screen, I wouldn't remove the peakmeters there, I would even think it were better if the trigger points were marked better on them |
| 18:02:19 | _jz | no need to have a long queue, with a queue manager (though it would be nice ;) just one queue would be awesome already |
| 18:02:22 | _jz | what do you think ? |
| 18:02:44 | kk | _jz, er, you mean like "insert next"? |
| 18:02:58 | n1s | petur: ok I won't touch it, it's just that the custom menu is anoyying :-) |
| 18:03:06 | kk | oh, dammit freenode's nickserv. |
| 18:03:08 | _jz | kk: "insert as the next track in the playlist" |
| 18:03:17 | kk | right. that's already there |
| 18:03:22 | _jz | hoooo ? |
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| 18:03:27 | _jz | <3 i love you !! <3 |
| 18:03:33 | _jz | <3 i love rockbox ! <3 |
| 18:03:39 | _jz | how is it called ? |
| 18:04:01 | Domonoky | "insert next" :-) |
| 18:04:03 | kk | context menu -> playlist -> inster next |
| 18:04:07 | kk | insert, rather |
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| 18:05:02 | _jz | haaa ! in the playlist submenu |
| 18:05:11 | _jz | this is a place where i didn't even thought looking for it :) |
| 18:05:17 | bluebrother | _jz: just wanted to tell you ;-) |
| 18:05:19 | _jz | you guys seriously kick ass :) |
| 18:05:29 | n1s | _jz: we do have a fairly decent manual... |
| 18:05:35 | _jz | i know |
| 18:05:38 | _jz | i read most of it |
| 18:05:51 | _jz | another thing that might not be as simple : |
| 18:06:13 | _jz | when crossfading, if skipping into the incoming track, that the volumes remains the one it would have been when you press the skip button |
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| 18:06:17 | _jz | hmm maybe it's not clear |
| 18:06:42 | _jz | if the track is "entering" with a level of 5/100 and you skip to 30sec, that the playback takes back at 30sec at 5/100 volume ? |
| 18:06:42 | bluebrother | I agree that the trigger setup screen is really awful |
| 18:07:25 | bluebrother | I'd like to have a "display settings in lists" like FS #5833 did |
| 18:07:36 | bluebrother | but having one screen behaving different is ugly |
| 18:07:44 | krazykit | _jz, not sure about your fractions, but the volume control's dB level won't change. if the song is louder half a minute in, it'll be louder. |
| 18:08:29 | krazykit | or am i misunderstanding what you're asking? |
| 18:09:18 | _jz | hmm |
| 18:09:26 | _jz | krazykit: i'm talking about crossfading |
| 18:09:41 | _jz | krazykit: when track A is fading out, track B is fading in |
| 18:09:56 | _jz | but as soon as the fading happens, you see track B control on the screen |
| 18:10:08 | _jz | but if track B is very low volume, you can't hear it at all |
| 18:10:23 | _jz | and you just skip 15 seconds (which takes about 2 seconds), then it comes with full volume |
| 18:10:32 | _jz | instead of continuing the fade in |
| 18:10:48 | krazykit | i don't know. i hate crossfading, so i don't use it |
| 18:10:58 | _jz | ha :) |
| 18:11:05 | _jz | it's good for pseudo-DJing at parties :) |
| 18:11:26 | _jz | (which is better than DJing at pseudo-parties ;) |
| 18:11:32 | bluebrother | but in that case you won't skip at the end of a song ;-) |
| 18:11:39 | _jz | no i wont ;)) |
| 18:11:42 | _jz | just after the intro maybe |
| 18:11:51 | n1s | btw regarding the UI I had an idea before: How about grouping fonts into families, and requiring each family to have one font no larger that say 10p So that we have a smaller fallback font wherever we need it (where we now fall back to sysfont) so if I had foo-font-32 in the lists and went into the quick screen it would select the largest one that fits in the family, and fall back to the 10p version if there is no font between 32 and 10 |
| 18:11:53 | _jz | or right in the middle of the action if things are getting nasty :) |
| 18:12:11 | _jz | n1s: reordering the fonts would be a great idea indeed |
| 18:12:26 | _jz | why not grouping them by family and by sizes ? |
| 18:12:49 | _jz | because changing a fond with a tightly made wps really depends on the size and nothing else... |
| 18:13:55 | n1s | _jz: this is more a suggestion for the rest of the UI, not so much wps |
| 18:14:04 | _jz | yep |
| 18:14:19 | _jz | but it would help when changing just the font, not the whole wps |
| 18:14:23 | bluebrother | besides, falling back isn't that easy −− you currently can have only one font |
| 18:14:24 | n1s | Currently we try to use only one font and fall back to sysfont which is about 8p |
| 18:14:33 | bluebrother | the only exception is sysfont which is always present. |
| 18:14:51 | _jz | Bug reproduced !!! |
| 18:14:56 | _jz | the track was 8:07 |
| 18:15:03 | n1s | bluebrother: I mean that if we need to fall bak, just load glyphs from a smaller font in the same family |
| 18:15:07 | _jz | at 8:00 i switched to an Adam Beyer track |
| 18:15:12 | _jz | then it went to the The Hacker track |
| 18:15:16 | _jz | that was the next in the playlist |
| 18:15:21 | _jz | it played for 15 to 20 seconds |
| 18:15:30 | _jz | than cut / here comes the Adam Beyer track |
| 18:15:30 | _jz | :( |
| 18:15:59 | _jz | my first track just fade out, the The Hacker track didn't fade in but just happened at the beginning, and same for the adam beyer track |
| 18:16:06 | bluebrother | I assume you already updated? |
| 18:16:20 | _jz | but I listened to 1min of my first track before arriving to 8:00 |
| 18:16:21 | n1s | bluebrother: because IMO it is not realistic to make the UI able to use a 32 pixel high font everywhere... |
| 18:16:22 | _jz | yes I did |
| 18:16:47 | bluebrother | then it seems to be something for the tracker ... |
| 18:17:14 | n1s | This would cause extra disk spinups when using very large fonts or another or bigger glyphcache |
| 18:17:15 | _jz | accchh |
| 18:17:19 | _jz | i hate trackers... |
| 18:17:25 | _jz | but i like rockbox sooo much .... |
| 18:17:25 | _jz | :) |
| 18:17:39 | bluebrother | try to search it first. Perhaps someone already reported it ;-) |
| 18:18:30 | _jz | doesn't look like it |
| 18:19:29 | n1s | Because in most places where sysfont is used a larger font will fit, just that not all fonts will fit |
| 18:20:05 | n1s | also we have screens that do not fall back to sysfont but instead just draws stuff offscreen instead, not nice |
| 18:20:36 | n1s | for example the set Time/date screen |
| 18:22:34 | n1s | the Trigger screen draws things on top of each other with a large font (32) |
| 18:23:36 | bluebrother | hmm. |
| 18:25:04 | n1s | And the sysfont strings are a nasty hack, making parts of rockbox impossible to translate to certain languages, and making voice files bigger |
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| 18:26:28 | bluebrother | well, I agree that we need a better solution than the current one. I'm just wondering if grouping fonts is a good one ... |
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| 18:27:25 | n1s | bluebrother: I am interested in other approaches :-) |
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| 18:28:27 | petur | imho, we need 1) multiple fonts loading 2) GUI capale of coping with different fontsizes |
| 18:29:14 | bluebrother | an idea would be to allow screens to scroll |
| 18:29:14 | n1s | petur: but how do you make the quick screen cope with only being able to display one line? for example |
| 18:29:21 | petur | the reason stuff like the recording screen is still the way it is, is because we are waiting for viewports to rewrite the GUI |
| 18:29:31 | bluebrother | but I'm not sure if that would work nicely ;-) |
| 18:30:39 | petur | n1s: in the same way that a browser isn't usable anymore when the font is sooo big you can't read anything |
| 18:31:21 | petur | if the user selects a font that is too big, it is his problem, he'll change back ;) |
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| 18:33:19 | n1s | I think it would be nice if a gui screen could just say "I want a font that is no taller than 10pixels" and then an available font is the same family as the userfont would be loaded or if it din't exist sysfont could be used |
| 18:33:58 | n1s | s/is/in |
| 18:34:57 | petur | or we have two fonts to load: one for WPS/..., the other for menus/... |
| 18:35:03 | n1s | of course this would need some changes to font loading an the glyph cache as it would be bad to have to unload the user font on many screen swithces |
| 18:35:23 | n1s | petur: that's an entirely different issue |
| 18:36:23 | * | bluebrother leaves for a while |
| 18:36:27 | n1s | but of course the wps could probably make use of the fall back system and specify font height, wouldn |
| 18:36:56 | n1s | 't work well for some wps's but maybe better than how we do it now |
| 18:37:47 | Domonoky | bluebrother: this new info tab looks nice :-) |
| 18:39:05 | bluebrother | thanks :) |
| 18:39:41 | bluebrother | it shouldn't be too hard to extend it to a "cleanup" tab (which removes all files in a section but a specified version string) |
| 18:40:41 | Domonoky | i think i will now commit my changes to the bootloader installation.. but at the moment the ini file points to my webspace for the bootloaders-info.. |
| 18:41:33 | bluebrother | no real issue imo −− we haven't released yet ;-) |
| 18:41:46 | Domonoky | true.. i will commit :-) |
| 18:41:47 | bluebrother | maybe I'll give caching a shot later today. |
| 18:42:04 | bluebrother | I think that's the only thing that is missing to be en par with the wx version |
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| 18:42:25 | bluebrother | (but imo we already have some improvements over the wx version ;-) |
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| 18:45:02 | Domonoky | yes, we are now better then the wx version.. and caching.. i dont know if we really need this.. |
| 18:46:33 | Domonoky | hm, for the complete and small installation.. should it ask which build/daily/release version it should install, or should it just install the current ? |
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| 18:47:27 | n1s | Domonoky: that question will probably confuse our users :-) |
| 18:47:53 | Domonoky | :-) true |
| 18:48:16 | Domonoky | so just install the current.. and if it isnt aviable at the moment.. the daily :-) |
| 18:49:07 | _jz | OK I submitted my bug |
| 18:49:12 | _jz | I hope it's clear enough |
| 18:49:18 | _jz | and I hope it will be helpful |
| 18:49:45 | _jz | please vote for it! ;)) |
| 18:50:17 | n1s | me never understood the voting in the tracker... |
| 18:57:43 | Phalangees | Could someone possibly help me out with displaying a bitmap in a plugin? |
| 18:58:08 | Phalangees | I'm fairly new to coding and everything so it's pretty confusing to try and understand by looking at others code |
| 18:58:12 | n1s | Phalangees: it's done in many plugins, you could look at them |
| 18:58:29 | Phalangees | I'll try looking at the simpler ones. |
| 18:58:39 | Phalangees | Thanks nld |
| 18:58:41 | Phalangees | nls* |
| 18:58:51 | Phalangees | or n1s? :p Thanks |
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| 19:02:24 | _jz | OK now you'll have to pay the price for having me create an accout on the flyspray :) |
| 19:03:18 | _jz | hey ! http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2687 this seems directly related to my crossfading issue ! |
| 19:03:41 | _jz | .... or not... ? |
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| 19:20:52 | qweru | In the rockbox file browser, is there a possibility to select more than one object at a time? |
| 19:21:04 | Nico_P | qweru: no |
| 19:21:05 | qweru | Would be good to be able to move/delete more than one file. |
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| 19:21:22 | qweru | I thought so because I couldn't find anything in the manual. |
| 19:21:46 | MyAdler | someone should make that possible... |
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| 19:27:45 | _jz | the behaviour of the "rec" key on a Sansa should be assignable to different actions |
| 19:28:02 | _jz | like during playback this could lead directly to the pitching of a track, this would be awesome :) |
| 19:28:22 | * | bluebrother would _really_ like people using real names in the tracker :( |
| 19:28:50 | _jz | bluebrother: was this directed to me ? |
| 19:28:54 | _jz | i put my real first name now |
| 19:29:12 | bluebrother | well, not directly. There are tons of other users using nicknames only. |
| 19:29:26 | petur | Febs: reading your comment on 7664, close it? |
| 19:29:41 | DerPapst | add the real name policy to the tracker |
| 19:29:56 | bluebrother | I'm fine with nicks on irc, but for other communication I prefer to know with whom I'm talking |
| 19:30:14 | bluebrother | (and for the regulars in here I know their real names ;-) |
| 19:30:49 | n1s | heh, a quick reordering of the playlist_info struct saves over 700bytes, sacrafices some readability though, I wonder why we can't tell gcc to do this itself... |
| 19:30:53 | _jz | i don't display my first and last name plublicly "anywhere |
| 19:30:59 | webmind | bluebrother, I've changed my realname more often then my nick |
| 19:31:02 | webmind | does that help? |
| 19:31:05 | _jz | i mean i don't think rockbox trackback system is evil or whatever |
| 19:31:17 | _jz | but that is private personnal data, i'm paranod about it, and i hate forms :) |
| 19:31:18 | bluebrother | webmind: hehe ... I guess that is really rare |
| 19:31:38 | _jz | webmind: have you married different times ? :) |
| 19:31:43 | webmind | no |
| 19:31:43 | bluebrother | well, we don't enforce real names in the tracker (yet) ... |
| 19:31:53 | webmind | only my firstname btw |
| 19:32:15 | bluebrother | why changed it? You disliked it? |
| 19:32:34 | webmind | didn't like my firstname, started using different new names depending on where I was |
| 19:33:00 | webmind | my nickname is slightly more consistent than my realname |
| 19:33:20 | Febs | petur: I wouldn't object to closing it. |
| 19:33:48 | webmind | anyway, I prefer nicknames as they're more unique |
| 19:36:41 | petur | wtf... sim crashes when trying to play a file :( |
| 19:38:09 | * | bluebrother shakes head at this top-posting mail :( |
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| 20:22:04 | webguest22 | petur: Any news from austriancoder? |
| 20:22:19 | petur | yes |
| 20:22:26 | petur | I got code from him |
| 20:22:40 | webguest22 | petur: Wow! interesting! |
| 20:22:53 | petur | got some link errors to fix before trying |
| 20:23:08 | petur | but he says that both serial and UMS drivers do not yet work |
| 20:24:19 | * | petur wonders if he should put it online himself or wait for austriancoder to do that... |
| 20:24:44 | webguest22 | petur: well, it's a good start now that tx works atleast? getting the serial should not be that difficult (considering MrH's work) ? |
| 20:25:56 | petur | just need some time to look at the code... |
| 20:31:09 | webguest22 | petur: After sending started to work, has he been able to work a lot on getting the stack and serial/UMS to work? |
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| 20:32:08 | petur | webguest22: how could I know? He hasn't been online since then. He did work on it, that I can see |
| 20:33:28 | webguest22 | petur: sorry, i'm just curious what he wrote in the mail :) i'll wait and look at the code when it's up |
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| 20:35:18 | petur | webguest22: http://pastebin.ca/671510 |
| 20:35:50 | petur | This is only the technical stuff, I removed the gsoc specific talk |
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| 20:40:36 | petur | looks like I miss at least two files :( |
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| 20:52:14 | Phalangees | How do I fix the warning "function declaration isn't a prototype?" |
| 20:52:59 | petur | did you write myfunction(); ? |
| 20:53:18 | petur | change it to myfunction(void); |
| 20:53:24 | Phalangees | ah. Ok, thanks |
| 20:53:41 | xaque | Fer the record, I am really enjoying rockbox. Thanks to all the devs! |
| 20:54:12 | * | petur finds the missing usbstack functions and wonders why the linker doesn't |
| 20:56:26 | n1s | petur: are the files included in SOURCES ? so they are compiled? |
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| 20:57:45 | petur | n1s: looks like it... |
| 20:57:47 | Nico_P | petur: you can tell ac he's welcome to use my git repo |
| 20:57:59 | Nico_P | I can give him push access |
| 20:58:11 | petur | I'll mail it to him.... |
| 20:58:29 | bluebrother | wow ... even more users completely ignoring the list etiquette |
| 20:58:40 | petur | or rather, you could... |
| 20:58:52 | Nico_P | petur: true :) |
| 20:58:58 | Nico_P | I'll do that |
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| 21:00:01 | * | Domonoky has now a nearly working small and complete installation for rbutilqt :-) |
| 21:00:07 | bluebrother | nice |
| 21:03:23 | Febs | bluebrother: I think Kane Brolin doesn't understand what top-posting is. Notwithstanding his/her LONG post purporting to explain it to others. |
| 21:03:31 | petur | Nico_P: good luck on getting a quick answer ;) |
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| 21:07:52 | Nico_P | petur: I don't really need an answer ;) |
| 21:08:03 | petur | lucky you! |
| 21:08:54 | webguest22 | petur: so what will the GSoC result be? |
| 21:11:01 | petur | still looking to get it compiling... |
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| 21:19:07 | bluebrother | Febs: well, he might understand it or not. But the way re reacted is completely inappropriate imo |
| 21:20:31 | bluebrother | maybe a rockbox-blind list which would be allowed to top-post would be helpful? |
| 21:22:12 | * | n1s is glad he doesn't subscribe to the users list, dev list has much less noise :-) |
| 21:22:27 | Domonoky | bluebrother: what do you think, would it be good to merge a theme.cfg with .rockbox/config.cfg after installing a theme ( the it would already be selected in rockbox, when you reboot) |
| 21:23:01 | * | bluebrother is about to unsubscribe from the users list |
| 21:23:24 | bluebrother | Domonoky: I think a more complete configuration-editor (possibly limited to some sane defaults) is better |
| 21:24:08 | bluebrother | *sic* |
| 21:24:18 | bluebrother | dos line endings again ... ;-( |
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| 21:24:36 | kk | that thread is STILL going in the user list? ugh. |
| 21:25:01 | bluebrother | it is. And some seem to be really brain-dead. |
| 21:25:17 | * | bluebrother wants to hand out some "Merkbefreiungen" |
| 21:25:23 | kk | hah. |
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| 21:25:47 | Domonoky | bluebrother: dosline endings in my code ? ifso i am sorry |
| 21:26:32 | bluebrother | in the ts file ... and I had some translations pending. |
| 21:26:47 | bluebrother | well, not much of a problem. It's only the translation :) |
| 21:27:12 | Domonoky | ups, this was by accident.. didnt want to commit the .ts file.. |
| 21:27:14 | bluebrother | but it's kinda strange as svn is supposed to handle the translation itself properly :/ |
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| 21:33:04 | bluebrother | undoAbort()? |
| 21:36:26 | bluebrother | wouldn't it be better to let BootloaderInstaller ask for the OF file itself if needed? |
| 21:38:54 | Domonoky | bluebrother: undoAbort is there because some installers call abort when they are finished.. so the button changed from abort to ok, but we want to install more, so i change the button back :-) ( i didnt want to find and change all other places, so they dont do the abort... |
| 21:39:36 | Domonoky | about the asking for the OF file.. i thought about the possible commandline interface, and the we dont want gui windows in the installers.. |
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| 21:42:09 | bluebrother | wtf ...? It doesn't build on linux |
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| 21:43:14 | bluebrother | also, couldn't we call the installer stuff from MultiInstaller from rbutilqt.cpp? |
| 21:43:27 | bluebrother | currently it looks like much duplicated code to me |
| 21:44:27 | Domonoky | yes, there is much duplicated code there.. but the functions are unfortunatly not exactly the same.. but i will try to improve :-) |
| 21:44:56 | bluebrother | this is really strange: a clean build works fine on windows but not on linux |
| 21:45:25 | Domonoky | strange.. it doesnt build .. or doesnt run ? |
| 21:45:34 | bluebrother | it doesn't build |
| 21:45:53 | Domonoky | strange.. and the error is ? :-) |
| 21:46:12 | bluebrother | http://www.pastebin.ca/671569 |
| 21:47:37 | chrisjs169 | random question, but is there a reason why the battery menu doesn't appear on the Sansa any more? |
| 21:47:46 | bluebrother | aaah ... found it :) |
| 21:51:39 | bluebrother | Domonoky: fix committed |
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| 22:02:04 | Phalangees | how do you do square root in C? sqrt(); |
| 22:02:13 | bluebrother | yup |
| 22:02:17 | Phalangees | Thanks |
| 22:02:26 | bluebrother | you could also pow(x, .5) ;-) |
| 22:02:56 | Phalangees | Either way will do what I need. :D Thanks again! |
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| 22:06:53 | Phalangees | The sqrt and pow both give errors. |
| 22:06:54 | Lars_G | I'm about to pull. will I find a lot of nifties? |
| 22:07:00 | Lars_G | Btw I wanted to tell you something. |
| 22:07:02 | Phalangees | Do I need math.pow or something like that? |
| 22:07:36 | Phalangees | another include? |
| 22:07:43 | Lars_G | I was the other day in one of the very few (2 or 3) apple distributors (not even official stores) in my country, and flaunted my rockboxed nano to everybody. they were all awed |
| 22:09:30 | merbanan | Phalangees: you need to link with the math lib |
| 22:10:12 | Phalangees | merbanan: How do I do that? Just do an #include |
| 22:11:06 | merbanan | Phalangees: search google |
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| 22:12:40 | * | amiconn back from pauze ;) |
| 22:13:07 | amiconn | petur: Why are the peal clip counter lang strings catchall? They are only used on recording targets... |
| 22:13:13 | amiconn | s/peal/peak/ |
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| 22:14:49 | * | amiconn also wonders what that clip counter would be good for :\ |
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| 22:18:34 | Phalangees | Does anyone know of any plugins that use sqrt() or pow()? |
| 22:20:02 | bluebrother | Phalangees: just grep for it ;-) |
| 22:20:11 | bluebrother | vu_meter.c uses fsqrt |
| 22:20:31 | bluebrother | (declared in fixedpoint.h) |
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| 22:21:00 | Phalangees | So fixedpoint.h has sqrt function? Sorry if I'm being really stupid. I'm fairly new to coding. |
| 22:21:17 | bluebrother | regarding rockbox, yes. |
| 22:21:37 | Phalangees | does it have pow() as well? |
| 22:22:04 | bluebrother | no |
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| 22:22:29 | Phalangees | Well, I don't really need pow. I can just do it the long way. Thanks for your help bluebrother. |
| 22:23:26 | bluebrother | libspeex for example has a pow function. |
| 22:23:43 | bluebrother | it's just not part of the fixedpoint plugin lib. |
| 22:24:12 | bluebrother | oh, and the calculator plugins seems to have a pow function |
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| 22:27:33 | XavierLimn | Damn it, I just tried to flash an svn bootloader in H300 and I get the same behaviour as my H100 (from SVN again) |
| 22:28:00 | XavierLimn | Current bootloader will not manage to boot rockbox. Fortunately the OF works like a charm |
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| 22:28:51 | XavierLimn | I will update the FS bug report, it seems that something is wrong with all iriver Hxxx bootloaders |
| 22:29:06 | amiconn | XavierLimn: You seem to like it dangerous... |
| 22:29:28 | * | amiconn doesn't even dare to flash the H1x0 prerelease bootloader needed for rombox |
| 22:29:59 | * | petur has the same feeling re h300 bootloader |
| 22:30:43 | amiconn | The iriver Hxx0's are the most delicate targets regarding bootloaders |
| 22:31:13 | amiconn | All the others are recoverable one way or another without expensive equipment |
| 22:32:46 | petur | amiconn: re clipcounter strings: you're right, must only be for targets with recording |
| 22:32:54 | Domonoky | bluebrother: i have now removed the multiinstaller file, and incorporated it into rbutilqt.cpp |
| 22:32:59 | amiconn | Yeha, but it's not that simple |
| 22:33:03 | bluebrother | oh, nice :) |
| 22:33:07 | n1s | chrisjs169: someone decided that since there were no rplacement batteries for it, having a menu for the battery capacity is tupid |
| 22:33:17 | bluebrother | I started looking into http caching ... |
| 22:33:19 | amiconn | All bitmap targets have peakmeters, but only recording targets need the clipcounter |
| 22:33:36 | amiconn | So just taking out the .lang strings isn't enough |
| 22:33:56 | petur | the lang strings are only used in recording.c |
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| 22:34:26 | amiconn | nope |
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| 22:34:36 | amiconn | They're used in settings_list.c too |
| 22:34:54 | amiconn | If I just set the strings to none for non-recording, Ondio SP doesn't compile |
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| 22:35:05 | petur | hmmm my bad... will fix it |
| 22:35:15 | XavierLimn | amiconn: well I saw the changelog from r12546 (that I had compiled and worked back then), and it seemed pretty safe to flash it. |
| 22:35:34 | XavierLimn | of course I could be horribly wrong and brick it. |
| 22:35:43 | amiconn | And there is some code in peakmeter.c that should be #ifdef HAVE_RECORDING |
| 22:36:09 | n1s | XavierLimn: why are you using svn bootloaders? |
| 22:36:25 | XavierLimn | Linus must investigate this, it will just hang on a SET_REG macro... |
| 22:36:26 | amiconn | XavierLimn: I wouldn't flash a Hxx0 bootloader even if I compiled it from the exact same svn revision as the official one |
| 22:36:34 | petur | amiconn: I'll see to it... |
| 22:36:44 | * | petur bows and gets to work |
| 22:37:24 | XavierLimn | n1s: I wanted to test a new feature that was added by linus after r12546. And while I was at it I decided to just upgrade to the latest one seeing that there weren't many changes in |
| 22:37:31 | amiconn | petur: I got curious when I saw that all the non-recording targets (well, except the player which has no peakmeter at all) got 200+ bytes binsize increase... |
| 22:37:52 | petur | sorry... |
| 22:38:03 | amiconn | (i.e. Ondio SP, iPod G1..G2 and the minis) |
| 22:38:11 | amiconn | Err, G1..G3 |
| 22:38:30 | amiconn | I also wonder what's the exact purpose of the clip counter... |
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| 22:38:48 | amiconn | I know what it does, but it doesn't say much about the recording quality |
| 22:38:48 | petur | for stealth recording |
| 22:39:24 | amiconn | Even hundreds of slight clips can be unnoticeable when listening, but one big clip might ruin a whole track |
| 22:39:37 | petur | sigh |
| 22:39:46 | n1s | XavierLimn: I am pretty sure that LinusN or whoever decides to release a new iriver bootloader will fix that when the time comes for another release, keeping it working inbetween releases is IMO not very useful |
| 22:39:55 | amiconn | But that's something we cannot detect |
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| 22:41:09 | n1s | amiconn: regarding binsize, just reordering some structs can save quite a bit here and there... |
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| 22:42:10 | n1s | got about 700 bytes from reordering one in playlist.h don't know if much readability was sacraficed though since everything seemed to be added to the end when needed so most things were in no particular order |
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| 22:43:23 | Domonoky_ | only three more commits to rbutilqt, and the frontpage will be dominated by dominiks :-) |
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| 23:03:28 | * | linuxstb is also curious about why clip counting is helpful |
| 23:05:11 | petur | so you can adjust the gain? |
| 23:06:22 | linuxstb | Yes, but why is the number of clips important? Isn't the fact that it's clipped once enough? |
| 23:07:46 | petur | if it clipped more, the gain is way too high, if it only clipped some, it is just a bit too high or somebody yelled in your mics |
| 23:09:03 | linuxstb | OK |
| 23:09:05 | petur | other requests in that area are a logfile containing 1) timecodes of clipping 2) timecodes of gain changes |
| 23:09:53 | n1s | the logfile sounds kind of overkill to me but I'm no recorder really... |
| 23:10:17 | petur | for me too, but some recorders are real freaks ;) |
| 23:10:45 | linuxstb | But can't that be done after the fact? (clipping detection)? |
| 23:10:56 | linuxstb | (I'm talking about the log) |
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| 23:11:30 | petur | yes... but gain changes not, and that would be handy for postprocessing |
| 23:11:37 | amiconn | Imo the important thing about clipping is whether it's audible. Slight clipping often isn't. |
| 23:11:55 | amiconn | But the amount of clipping isn't detectable of course |
| 23:12:06 | linuxstb | petur: Yes. I would agree the gain change log could be useful. |
| 23:12:24 | amiconn | And I rather let it clip a bit than changing the gain during recording (for music, obviously) |
| 23:12:45 | petur | amiconn: sometimes slight clipping can sound horrible and strong clipping not... |
| 23:13:20 | * | petur always uses AGC_SAFETY |
| 23:14:18 | * | amiconn wouldn't use agc for music |
| 23:14:36 | amiconn | That doesn't mean agc is useless - it's useful for voice recording |
| 23:14:42 | petur | you do not know AGC_SAFETY me thinks... |
| 23:15:08 | petur | it is a wrong name, it is more a clipping protection |
| 23:15:18 | petur | it only lowers the gain |
| 23:15:23 | amiconn | I do know what agc safety does |
| 23:15:37 | amiconn | Still I wouldn't use it for music recordings |
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| 23:16:26 | linuxstb | Wouldn't a change in gain part-way through the recording be better than future clipping? |
| 23:16:31 | petur | I rather have a slight (and inaudible) gain change then clipping... |
| 23:16:52 | petur | it has saved many of my recordings |
| 23:17:09 | linuxstb | You could always lower the gain of the first part of the recording anyway, to match the later part... |
| 23:17:12 | * | DerPapst agrees |
| 23:17:22 | DerPapst | ...to petur |
| 23:17:41 | petur | hi DerPapst, goodmorning ;) |
| 23:17:50 | DerPapst | morning petur ;) |
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| 23:27:38 | amiconn | petur: agc_safety would cause a huge drop in gain if there's a big spike (be it in original audio or electrically induced) |
| 23:27:48 | amiconn | I'd rather let it clip in such a case... |
| 23:27:51 | petur | nope |
| 23:28:11 | petur | it would if there was a long spike... |
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| 23:30:04 | DerPapst | :) |
| 23:30:26 | * | DerPapst transfers smiley to other window... |
| 23:30:26 | * | amiconn never recorded music with agc |
| 23:31:00 | * | amiconn recorded more than today back in analog times |
| 23:31:01 | petur | and AGC has a time constant so you can avoid having it react to short stuff like a clapper or a yeller |
| 23:31:21 | * | petur records every concert he visits |
| 23:31:37 | amiconn | Today it's not worth recording music, as you can buy it with higher quality on CD |
| 23:31:41 | amiconn | (imh) |
| 23:31:54 | amiconn | +o |
| 23:32:05 | petur | yes and no |
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| 23:33:01 | petur | 1) live CD's are rare 2) some bands are better live than on CD 3) most CD are over-processed and have almost no dynamic range (they even clip!) |
| 23:33:21 | petur | rip a CD to wav and look at the waveform, it is horrible |
| 23:33:33 | * | amiconn doesn't care about (1) and didn'texperience (2) |
| 23:33:45 | petur | and I like live performances more :) |
| 23:35:04 | amiconn | Live performances are nice, but only when attending them live imho |
| 23:35:36 | petur | if I listen to them again, it's like being there again :) |
| 23:35:47 | * | amiconn tries to remember when he last visited a lve concert... |
| 23:35:52 | petur | aha! |
| 23:36:09 | petur | brb |
| 23:36:18 | amiconn | Must have been almost 3 years ago... |
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| 23:36:35 | amiconn | For normal listening, I much prefer studio recordings |
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| 23:42:57 | petur | amiconn: as I said, some bands are live way better. Two of my fav bands are. And songs evolve and become better because of the live playing |
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| 23:47:06 | petur | what's up with that x5 build... some build-server failed? |
| 23:48:43 | petur | the zip seems to be available though... |
| 23:48:46 | amiconn | Looks like th etable generation failed |
| 23:49:01 | amiconn | zip is there and has the correct version (according to rockbox-info.txt) |
| 23:49:07 | petur | yes |
| 23:50:35 | petur | there is even delta info (/me hopes amiconn is happy with the last line) |
| 23:51:04 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 23:51:10 | amiconn | cygwin is acting up :( |
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