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| 00:14:30 | petur | euh... x5 not in the build table for the second time... |
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| 00:22:20 | bluebrother | hmm. How about blocking attachments to the user-ml? |
| 00:22:39 | bluebrother | getting kb-sized images as signature is some kind of abuse imo |
| 00:25:30 | * | amiconn is more annoyed about those spamlink posts |
| 00:26:09 | Febs | That babydaffy person needs to be removed from the list. |
| 00:26:12 | amiconn | (e.g. in the "Blind people and cygwin" thread |
| 00:26:43 | * | amiconn doesn't get to see signature images :) |
| 00:26:54 | Phalangees | what does rb->rand() return? A random number between ? and ?. It's not 0 and 1 because it returns and int. |
| 00:27:35 | amiconn | Text only mailer :) |
| 00:31:38 | amiconn | Phalangees: 'man rand' |
| 00:33:24 | linuxstb | Phalangees: Or remember you're dealing with open source - the implementation of rand() is in firmware/common/random.c |
| 00:34:02 | Phalangees | Thanks for the help. |
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| 00:34:28 | saratoga | how many integers did you expect to find between 0 and 1 anyway? |
| 00:35:15 | Phalangees | That's what I'm saying. From past coding stuff I've done the random generator made a double between 0 and 1. The plugin.h says that rb->rand() returns an int. Hence why I'm confused |
| 00:36:02 | linuxstb | rand() is a standard POSIX function. Hence amiconn's pointer to the standard man page. |
| 00:36:08 | saratoga | well theres no floating point unit on any rockbox targets, so floats are out |
| 00:36:16 | amiconn | Floating point is strongly discouraged in rockbox. |
| 00:36:25 | amiconn | The core is completely floating point free zone |
| 00:39:01 | Phalangees | I still don't get it. :p I'm new to all this stuff. |
| 00:39:21 | Phalangees | I'm just trying to learn it. I need to make a random number between 0 and 240 |
| 00:39:21 | amiconn | saratoga: Well, there will be the gigabeat S. A weird machine for a dap... |
| 00:41:15 | linuxstb | Phalangees: rb->srand(*rb->current_tick); followed by x = rb->rand() % 241; |
| 00:42:17 | Phalangees | Ok. Thanks linuxstb. |
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| 01:22:09 | khlav | hi |
| 01:22:22 | khlav | can i run the rockbox simulator on win98? |
| 01:22:27 | khlav | the nano version |
| 01:23:18 | rasher | Have you tried? |
| 01:23:29 | khlav | yes, but the simulator can't read any file |
| 01:23:39 | khlav | everytime i try to load a plug in, or enter the files menu |
| 01:23:47 | khlav | i get a "No files" popup |
| 01:24:01 | rasher | did you build the sim yourself? |
| 01:24:01 | khlav | i've read in the rockbox pages, about a msvrc70.dll file |
| 01:24:09 | khlav | but still without luck |
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| 01:24:19 | khlav | nope, i've download the precompiled builds |
| 01:24:29 | khlav | from rasher.dk |
| 01:25:03 | rasher | Interesting. I really don't know why it wouldn't work on Windows 98. |
| 01:25:21 | khlav | ok, thanks anyway |
| 01:25:23 | amiconn | Maybe it's compiled with unicode support |
| 01:25:27 | khlav | i'll continue searching |
| 01:25:33 | khlav | oh, i see |
| 01:25:41 | khlav | maybe i need to switch to xp |
| 01:25:46 | khlav | thanks |
| 01:25:47 | khlav | bye |
| 01:26:02 | amiconn | The earliest windows where we know that the sim works is 2000 |
| 01:27:04 | iamben_ | whats windows 98? |
| 01:27:15 | rasher | I don't think msvrc70.dll is relevant. |
| 01:27:37 | rasher | Mentions of that file are in 5 year old mailing list posts as far as I can tell |
| 01:27:52 | amiconn | It sure isn't anymore |
| 01:28:06 | amiconn | Some time way back the sim could be compiled with msvc |
| 01:28:13 | amiconn | Those times are long gone |
| 01:28:21 | rasher | And good riddance |
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| 01:31:42 | rasher | The most obvious guess is unicode problems |
| 01:31:57 | Phalangees | How would I print a variable in rockbox? |
| 01:32:17 | rasher | Depends how and why you want it printed? |
| 01:32:32 | Phalangees | Just to print the integer called score |
| 01:32:56 | rasher | Take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GraphicsAPI |
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| 01:35:04 | Phalangees | That tells me how to print a string but if I try to do rb->putsxy(5,5,"Score: %i") where do I tell what the %i is. Sorry if this seems like a really stupid question. I'm very new to this. |
| 01:35:32 | Phalangees | Or is it completely different then printf(); |
| 01:35:48 | aliask | Phalangees: You can't put formatted strings in putsxy |
| 01:36:16 | aliask | You'd need to first fill a string with the formatting using snprintf and then use putsxy to put the string to the screen |
| 01:36:30 | Phalangees | Ah. Ok. Thanks for your help. |
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| 01:38:06 | rasher | You probably want %d rather than %i. (not sure if %i even exists) |
| 01:38:19 | saratoga | if you're debugging, splash() and DEBUGF() can be helpful too |
| 01:39:16 | aliask | Anyone tried the TTS patch? |
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| 01:44:01 | rasher | Looking at it now. Odd way of distributing it, a zip file of apps/plugins/ subdirs |
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| 01:44:33 | Phalangees | aliask: Works perfectly :D. Thanks for your help! |
| 01:44:38 | aliask | :) |
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| 01:54:34 | aliask | The TTS is pretty good |
| 01:55:15 | saratoga | Toni is a win32 developer i think, probably not used to patch |
| 01:56:04 | aliask | Seems to have stuttering problems in languages other than english though - not sure if it's because I'm making it read english text |
| 01:57:28 | aliask | Hrm, maybe it was just that. Seems ok now. |
| 01:58:55 | rasher | Seems to be doing nothing at all on h120 |
| 01:59:10 | aliask | I'm playing on the sim |
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| 01:59:29 | rasher | Maybe it's just really slow |
| 01:59:36 | rasher | I'll let it run for a bit |
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| 02:01:01 | markun | wow, pretty cool someone did a espeak port! |
| 02:01:11 | aliask | Shame it's GPL v3 :( |
| 02:01:19 | aliask | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7660 |
| 02:01:26 | rasher | It really does nothing on h120 it seems |
| 02:01:52 | aliask | rasher: You extracted the data as well? |
| 02:02:08 | rasher | Yup |
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| 02:08:38 | scorche | 45 user-ML mails over the night?...eek |
| 02:09:47 | rasher | And again my emails are not getting through. Damn tubes. |
| 02:10:12 | scorche | they take a while sometimes |
| 02:10:37 | rasher | Ah, the other way. I'm not recieving any emails at all. |
| 02:10:42 | scorche | oh |
| 02:10:52 | scorche | "I've been with them since 1993, so I am well versed in making changes with the AOL email client." heh...nothing to brag about... |
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| 02:12:57 | Febs | scorche: true that. |
| 02:14:08 | Febs | The follow up e-mail is classic too: "if you're not going to change your service provider, I'm not going to change my signature." |
| 02:14:14 | Febs | (paraphrasing) |
| 02:14:23 | scorche | yeah...and then she brings it back |
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| 02:15:27 | scorche | what do they not get about "you are using our service. respect us giving you this service by folowwing our simple rules" do they run red lights because they think red lights should be used for go instead of green? |
| 02:16:12 | Febs | scorche: responding on rockbox-community. |
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| 03:04:26 | ToHellWithGA | do i need to deinstall the bootloader to be able to use itunes to load videos into my ipod then reinstall it later? |
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| 03:23:04 | safetydan | ToHellWithGA, no |
| 03:23:32 | ToHellWithGA | safetydan: i'll try resetting my VM. it seems to detect my ipod as a storage device and nothing more :/ |
| 03:25:05 | ToHellWithGA | from experience would any of yall recommend ffmpeg for transcoding/coercing my videos into an ipod-ready format? |
| 03:28:03 | safetydan | ToHellWithGA, if you're using iTunes to load the videos, there's a setting that controls whether the iPod is detected as a plain-old-disk or an iPod. You would have had to change this setting to load Rockbox in the first place. |
| 03:28:10 | EnterUserName | Tohellwithga: FFMPEG is kinda crappy |
| 03:28:14 | EnterUserName | well ti works and is watchable |
| 03:28:19 | EnterUserName | but it is not as good as mencoder |
| 03:28:22 | EnterUserName | from my experience.... |
| 03:28:53 | Llorean | EnterUserName: Remember that there are guidelines in this channel about multiple lines? Try to write whole sentences on one line. |
| 03:29:04 | EnterUserName | LLorean: sorry about that.. I will do that. |
| 03:29:21 | ToHellWithGA | i have videos on my computer in .avi and .mov with varying audio formats, bitrates, and resolutions. could you possibly help me with some command line switches to encode such things to ipod-compatible format, EnterUserName? |
| 03:30:04 | EnterUserName | ToHellWithGA: if you have linux and have the proper optiosn compiled in you can use the suggestion on the MPEGPLAYER plugin which is on the rockbox web site |
| 03:30:18 | EnterUserName | if you want to use ffmpeg i downloaded WinFF to help me for my linux box |
| 03:30:40 | ToHellWithGA | yeaaaaah. i don't want to play mpeg via software. i'd rather reboot into the default ipod stuff and utilize my chips |
| 03:30:53 | EnterUserName | ?? |
| 03:30:59 | ToHellWithGA | is winff a windows program? |
| 03:31:00 | Llorean | ToHellWithGA: Well this isn't the right place for asking how to convert them for the retail firmware. |
| 03:31:05 | Llorean | This is #Rockbox |
| 03:31:16 | ToHellWithGA | Llorean: point taken. EnterUserName, PM? |
| 03:31:25 | EnterUserName | ToHellWIthGA: It works with both windows and unix. I dont use the original software |
| 03:31:28 | EnterUserName | sorry |
| 03:31:33 | EnterUserName | i thought you meant rockbox. I can't help you with original software :) |
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| 04:26:54 | ranger | hey guys, anyone here an X5 expert? |
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| 04:41:13 | Llorean | ranger: You may be better off asking your question, it may not require an expert on a specific player |
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| 04:42:54 | ranger | I took the chance and went with the player angle |
| 04:43:24 | ranger | anyways, it's about the dual boot, it's been working fine but I must have deleted a critical file by mistake |
| 04:43:44 | ranger | and rockbox no longer works, but the original firmware still does |
| 04:43:58 | ranger | Im just wondering if it's a common issue or not |
| 04:44:36 | safetydan | ranger, are you getting any error messages? |
| 04:45:04 | ranger | sort of BUT I really have to leave now... I shall return if you guys think you can help me |
| 04:45:10 | ranger | it just says 'no file' |
| 04:45:16 | ranger | and wont 'play/pause' etc |
| 04:45:20 | ranger | its strange |
| 04:45:26 | ranger | but anyway work calls |
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| 04:56:36 | copyflake | i installed rockbox on my ipod video but the recording function does not seem to pick up any sound when i plug in my microphone, unlike my older ipod which does, are there any workarounds for this problem? |
| 04:57:41 | Llorean | Are you using the line in via a dock? That's the only input Video iPods have |
| 04:58:41 | copyflake | a dock |
| 04:58:53 | copyflake | what kind of dock are you talking about? |
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| 05:00:46 | Soap | the connector on the bottom of 4th (?) gen up iPods. |
| 05:01:05 | copyflake | oh right, the hole i plug my usb thing into |
| 05:01:17 | Soap | copyflake: the 5th gen iPods don't have a mic input via the headphone jack. |
| 05:01:48 | scorche | although that hasnt stopped people from trying... |
| 05:01:50 | copyflake | ah right, so how do you plug in a mic through the "doc" |
| 05:01:51 | copyflake | ? |
| 05:02:12 | copyflake | "dock" |
| 05:02:30 | Llorean | You need either a special connector, of the iPod docks that you can sit an iPod on, that have a line in plug on them. |
| 05:02:41 | scorche | copyflake: you create or find an appropriate dock cable that uses the line in pins, and plug your mic/pre-amp into that |
| 05:03:00 | copyflake | wow, sounds a bit out of my league |
| 05:03:16 | Soap | you most likely not only need a special adapter, but also an amplifier, as mic-level inputs would be too low in comparison to the line-level input the iPod expects. |
| 05:03:27 | copyflake | that's true |
| 05:04:23 | copyflake | ok well, if that's not going to work i better stick to the 4G ipod i have, but has a much older battery inside, the video ipod i got has a new one i stuck in today, in terms of preserving battery life in rockbox, i've got the backlight off, i've got the contrast low |
| 05:04:25 | copyflake | any other tips? |
| 05:06:17 | Soap | minimize track skipping. |
| 05:06:29 | Soap | I'm not sure contrast adds up to a hill of beans. |
| 05:06:45 | Soap | I haven't seen it tested, and I don't know how it would save battery power. |
| 05:07:22 | copyflake | i won't be playing music off this, only recording |
| 05:07:27 | copyflake | so i'm not sure if track skipping will apply to me |
| 05:07:54 | Soap | The main problem is there is a leech sucking power right now on both your 4th gen and 5th gen. Putting a bandaid over the papercut on your finger (contrast, and even backlight) won't stop the massive heamoraging caused by the giant leech. |
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| 05:08:10 | Soap | I guess track-skipping won't apply then. ;) |
| 05:08:38 | Llorean | Recording to a compressed format will probably preserve more battery life, though I can't say for certain |
| 05:08:51 | copyflake | i thought that would take more Llorean |
| 05:09:05 | Llorean | It takes more cpu, but spins the disk much, much less often (if you're recording to lossy) |
| 05:10:04 | Soap | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8867.msg68613#msg68613 |
| 05:10:14 | Soap | /suggests/ that CPU usage is not a large draw. |
| 05:10:38 | Soap | and clearly shows the constant, unresolved, power drain. Also shows backlight is a killer. |
| 05:11:06 | copyflake | at least i got that off, that's something |
| 05:11:19 | Llorean | CPU usage will be a much larger draw once the other battery issue, whatever it is, is resolved. ;) |
| 05:11:24 | Soap | aye |
| 05:11:25 | Llorean | Well, relative to the idle draw |
| 05:11:46 | Llorean | Too bad it was a nano, so no "spinup" and "spinning" draw test |
| 05:12:21 | Soap | why I tried to stress "suggests" ;) |
| 05:13:00 | Llorean | Though I think there's some published numbers somewhere for the current draws on the disks. |
| 05:13:41 | copyflake | i can't imagine me doing more than about 1 or 2 hours worth of recording a day for the week i'm meant to be recording, and i'll be recharing every night |
| 05:13:43 | copyflake | i hope it will last me |
| 05:13:59 | copyflake | would recording suck more battery than playback |
| 05:14:08 | Soap | yea, trying to find that. IIRC power draw on the gigabeat was measured during disk access and w/o. That would most likely be similar (delta) to the iPod. |
| 05:14:42 | Llorean | Soap: I think though that at Toshiba's site they give you their claimed numbers, too. |
| 05:14:47 | Soap | you also realize, copyflake, that there is no input gain control on the PortaPlayer devices at this time? |
| 05:15:08 | copyflake | how do you mean |
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| 05:16:05 | Soap | you can't increase (or decrease) the recording volume - the gain - so that you aren't recording 12 bits of silence and only 4 bits of data (gross example) |
| 05:16:29 | copyflake | it does show volume and gain on my recording screen though |
| 05:17:06 | MonkeyTamer | I have a quick question regarding the treble setting if someone would be so kind: is the setting limited to the options given? Or, can I change in config to a value like 65, in between the displayed values of 7.5 and 6.0? |
| 05:17:22 | Soap | unless an update slipped under my radar the PP devices can't /adjust/ that gain, though. |
| 05:18:24 | copyflake | i can change that gain yes |
| 05:18:47 | copyflake | its on 1.6 db atm and i can up it or lower it |
| 05:19:01 | Llorean | copyflake: But it doesn't do anything |
| 05:19:26 | Llorean | At least as far as I know |
| 05:19:41 | copyflake | if thats the case im still not fussed, its feeding a healthy level in on my soundtests before |
| 05:21:42 | copyflake | as long as i can get about 2-2.5 hours of recording time a day out of it |
| 05:21:43 | copyflake | i'm happy |
| 05:24:00 | safetydan | MonkeyTamer, I don't believe there's any input validation wehn reading the config files. But depending on how that value is translated for the hardware, weirdness may ensue if you try inbetween values. |
| 05:24:39 | MonkeyTamer | makes sense, thanks |
| 05:25:22 | Soap | tryit - tell us what happens! |
| 05:25:33 | MonkeyTamer | hehe, I'm giving it a shot |
| 05:25:51 | Soap | it's not like it will blow up your player. ;) |
| 05:26:23 | MonkeyTamer | oh no, wasn't worried about that, was just curious whether the displayed values were like "concrete" values |
| 05:26:38 | Llorean | I think in many cases they are based on hardware limits, yet. |
| 05:26:49 | Llorean | yes |
| 05:28:56 | safetydan | For bass and treble yes the limits are set by the hardware. |
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| 05:29:14 | safetydan | Unless of course you're using the software tone controls. |
| 05:29:24 | RudMan | can I get write access for the wiki? |
| 05:29:37 | safetydan | The equalizer should support in between values as well. |
| 05:30:46 | MonkeyTamer | I will likely have to play with the equalizer in this case |
| 05:31:16 | safetydan | What are you trying to achieve? |
| 05:31:37 | MonkeyTamer | trying to avoid the highs being too sharp |
| 05:31:45 | MonkeyTamer | without removing clarity |
| 05:31:56 | safetydan | And you need smaller than .5dB increments? |
| 05:32:09 | MonkeyTamer | oh no, I mean between 7.5 and 6.0 |
| 05:32:25 | safetydan | ah right |
| 05:32:43 | MonkeyTamer | I'm surely being a bit nit picky |
| 05:32:53 | MonkeyTamer | probably more than necessary is all ;) |
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| 06:17:22 | goatz | Is the ipod nano port still considered young? |
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| 06:18:02 | scorche | is there something about the port specifically that you would like to ask about? |
| 06:21:40 | goatz | Just wondering, because I am having some weird error messages / fire corruption and was tring to narrow it down to hardware or software. I read in the forums that some other people had problems (but with older builds) errors like prefetch etc. |
| 06:23:34 | RudMan | scorche: can I get write access for the wiki? |
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| 07:43:14 | EnterUserName | is there somethign with the battery indicator on Sansa e280. Its showing 3/4 when its been charging for 5 hours |
| 07:43:23 | EnterUserName | or does it require the battery when copying files? |
| 07:43:31 | EnterUserName | and thats why its saying its 3/4? |
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| 07:50:25 | MyAdler | I seem to be having trouble with the volume control on the iriver h10... seemingly randomly the volume will rise to the highest....it gets really annoying... |
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| 08:00:33 | MyAdler | its version r14406M-070820 |
| 08:01:04 | scorche | have you tested with the latest official version? |
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| 08:01:47 | scorche | as, that is not... |
| 08:02:12 | MyAdler | pretty much..... its hard to test because the effect doesnt always happen.... but the version on it is almost the current one |
| 08:02:30 | scorche | that version is not an official build |
| 08:04:10 | MyAdler | oh, its not.....? well then i guess im off to find the official build |
| 08:04:26 | scorche | well, where did you get it? |
| 08:06:30 | MyAdler | the current builds page.... |
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| 08:06:45 | MyAdler | on the rockbox.org website |
| 08:07:36 | Llorean | Current builds shouldn't report an M in the build revision. |
| 08:07:48 | scorche | hrm...try with a latest build anyway...if you got it there, i dont knwo why it would say modified... |
| 08:07:52 | Llorean | As well, that's a week old. |
| 08:08:02 | Llorean | When did you last update? Maybe you didn't install properly? |
| 08:09:18 | MyAdler | updated about a week ago, and i dont know how i could possibly instal wrong.... |
| 08:09:39 | Llorean | Well, a week ago is right for that revision. |
| 08:09:47 | Llorean | But you said "almost the current one" so I'd assumed a day or so. |
| 08:10:12 | Llorean | As there's been 63 updates since then. ;) |
| 08:11:03 | Llorean | If I had to hazard a guess, it's the ADC, as I believe there've been passed issues with the H10 ADC. Would you say that it most commonly happens when the battery is relatively low? |
| 08:11:17 | Llorean | Err, past issue |
| 08:11:19 | Llorean | s |
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| 08:12:19 | * | Llorean wonders why we're missing two X5 builds on the build table. |
| 08:12:37 | MyAdler | not sure about the battery.... its almost always pretty low....needs replacing |
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| 08:13:18 | Llorean | MyAdler: Well the ADC is known to have issues at low voltage. The original firmware shuts down at a higher voltage than we do, or so I've been told. |
| 08:13:42 | Llorean | Again this is all if I understand other people correctly, as I don't personally have experience with this player. |
| 08:15:09 | MyAdler | I see... well ill try it with the newer build and if i still have problems.... ill be sure to keep you guys up to date |
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| 08:24:30 | ddalton | has anyone had any luck with p7660? |
| 08:26:01 | ddalton | has anyone tried p7660 |
| 08:26:03 | ddalton | ? |
| 08:27:08 | Llorean | ddalton: People who try it should probably post comments to it, it looks like one person has tried it and found it not to work |
| 08:27:37 | ddalton | Ok but how do I run it? |
| 08:28:19 | Llorean | It's a plugin... you just choose it in the plugins list, I would assume, with a text file as the description suggests. |
| 08:28:43 | ddalton | should I just rename it with the .rock extention? |
| 08:28:50 | ddalton | Or should I compile the source? |
| 08:29:41 | Llorean | It's source, it needs to be compiled. |
| 08:29:49 | Llorean | Plugins have to be compiled for specific players anyway |
| 08:29:54 | ddalton | did you see the other file there? |
| 08:30:06 | ddalton | o yeah good point I will try that. |
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| 08:37:54 | ddalton | Apparently someone wants Paul Louden and my self to pay there internet bill. |
| 08:37:59 | ddalton | can't work out why. |
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| 08:39:16 | bsdfox__ | could anyone give me advice on using the amarok cover art downloader with a 4g photo ipod? |
| 08:39:38 | scorche | that is is a bit off topic... |
| 08:39:54 | bsdfox__ | er |
| 08:40:09 | bsdfox__ | roc"rockbox wps cover creator" |
| 08:40:34 | bsdfox__ | I've got it installed and running but checking the logs for the script there is no activity |
| 08:41:02 | scorche | i would ask whoever wrote that program... |
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| 08:41:35 | bsdfox__ | 8f |
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| 08:45:21 | Llorean | B4gder: Any idea about the missing X5 builds? |
| 08:45:56 | B4gder | I'll check |
| 08:52:10 | B4gder | very strange... |
| 08:53:38 | amiconn | Llorean: The builds itself aren't missing... |
| 08:54:07 | Llorean | amiconn: Just the entries in the table? |
| 08:54:19 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:54:45 | amiconn | See below, try downloading the X5 build (works) and check the svn rev in rockbox-info.txt (it's the latest) |
| 08:54:47 | Llorean | I'll admit I honestly didn't look any further than that, except trying to decipher that buildmaster log thingy |
| 08:55:23 | * | amiconn thinks that's more odd that if the build was outright missing |
| 08:55:30 | * | Llorean agrees |
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| 08:58:03 | * | bluebrother reads user-ml and still wonders who those "anal veterans" would be ... |
| 08:58:40 | ddalton | someone told me that I should split there internet bill with paul. |
| 08:58:41 | B4gder | that's me! ;-) |
| 08:59:10 | B4gder | clearly the build log can get messed up somehow |
| 08:59:20 | B4gder | and then the showbuilds script that makes the table gets confused |
| 08:59:43 | bluebrother | I'm really curious why this one guy accepts paul's point in keeping the ml clean while I stated almost the same earlier |
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| 09:00:34 | ddalton | B4gder: are you the one with aol? |
| 09:00:51 | Llorean | ddalton: No, he's saying he's one of the "anal veterans" I think |
| 09:01:03 | ddalton | ok so who is paul then? |
| 09:01:06 | Llorean | I'm Paul. |
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| 09:01:08 | B4gder | I'm the one volunteering to take all the blame |
| 09:01:19 | Llorean | I think I got the blame for a few other peoples' posts though |
| 09:01:25 | B4gder | haha |
| 09:01:27 | bluebrother | maybe I should join Febs and stop reading the user ml. |
| 09:01:57 | amiconn | Seems rasher is spot-on what's the actual problem with cygwin slowness. And I always thought it was filesystem related... |
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| 09:02:06 | Llorean | amiconn: What did it turn out to be? |
| 09:02:16 | ddalton | I apparently told someone they couldn't have their signature but I didn't say that at all it was someone else. |
| 09:02:20 | amiconn | It's process creation. |
| 09:02:33 | ddalton | and they think you and me should split there aol bill. |
| 09:02:36 | Llorean | Yep |
| 09:02:56 | bluebrother | who wants to use aol anyway? *g* |
| 09:03:07 | amiconn | With rasher's first version, creating a voice with SAPI5 took ~5 minutes (1 process created per voice clip: lame, as wavtrim was missing) |
| 09:03:11 | ddalton | not me gmail is good I think. |
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| 09:03:28 | amiconn | With wavtrim in place (2 processes per voice clip) it now takes ~10 minutes... |
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| 09:04:28 | amiconn | But my old vbscript took < 1 minute (creating the processes from within the vbscript). SO I'll move the 2 steps into the vbscript for sapi (even though that means some code duplication) |
| 09:04:52 | Llorean | I think convenience on that scale surpasses code duplication woes. ;) |
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| 09:21:03 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-08/0373.shtml |
| 09:21:12 | B4gder | the best mail in that whole thread ;-) |
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| 09:23:25 | * | petur feels happy not to be subscribed there :) |
| 09:23:39 | * | aliask also |
| 09:23:46 | * | B4gder feels happy to not have been around when the discussion took place |
| 09:24:10 | scorche | the headache will wait |
| 09:26:01 | Llorean | I'd rather not have gotten involved, but it seemed like it was going to go further astray and I was hoping if it was just put clearly enough, things might calm down. =/ |
| 09:26:42 | scorche | this is sounding like the tagline of a bad movie |
| 09:26:48 | ddalton | I just told someone how to top-post. And then it seemed like the aol person got anoyed with my breafe instructions. |
| 09:26:59 | ddalton | and they said I am hard to please. |
| 09:27:24 | Llorean | That's the problem |
| 09:27:40 | B4gder | hehee, asbestos underwear helps! |
| 09:27:47 | Llorean | If you give someone terse and to the point instructions, you're being "abrubt" or "impolite", and if you give them full, detailed instructions, you're "talking down to them" or "impolite" |
| 09:27:48 | B4gder | :-) |
| 09:27:49 | petur | rofl |
| 09:28:07 | B4gder | over time you learn to take the flame wars better... |
| 09:28:28 | Zagor | take = ignore :) |
| 09:28:31 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 09:28:48 | ddalton | well I thought I explained it ok. but obviously not. |
| 09:29:13 | Llorean | ddalton: The first thing to learn is that it's impossible to predict human reaction. If someone doesn't like it, just go on to the next thing. |
| 09:29:14 | B4gder | ddalton: you did, but in a "discussion" like that it can never be clear enough to some |
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| 09:30:22 | * | Llorean offends people *all* the time. |
| 09:30:49 | B4gder | hehe, I know about the feeling |
| 09:31:06 | B4gder | I bet I've been in just about every flame war on the rockbox list before this ;-) |
| 09:31:11 | ddalton | Well I found it strange that someone would say I am hard to please when I say there not top-posting and I explain how to do it. |
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| 09:31:31 | ddalton | I thought I would get involved. |
| 09:31:35 | ddalton | just my first one. |
| 09:32:26 | Llorean | I only get involved if it feels like the argument will never end. Like in this case, one side was arguing "Top posting is better" and the other side was arguing "People should follow the rules", which are sides in two different arguments. |
| 09:32:31 | petur | anybody interested in the latest patch from austriancoder? |
| 09:32:45 | Llorean | petur: What does it do? |
| 09:32:53 | Llorean | I mean, I'm assuming it's USB related. |
| 09:32:58 | petur | partial usb implementation |
| 09:33:05 | scorche | petur: he came back? =) |
| 09:33:13 | petur | mailed me, yes |
| 09:33:20 | JdGordon | does this have multiple drivers which he wanted the setting screen done for? |
| 09:33:27 | petur | yes |
| 09:33:33 | aliask | petur: Sure, what does it add? |
| 09:33:33 | JdGordon | ok, /me wants it them |
| 09:33:36 | petur | serial and UMS |
| 09:33:44 | aliask | Sweet |
| 09:33:44 | ddalton | yes and it is usually blind people that complain about the bottom posting. I am not having a go at blind people I am blind myself and I hardly ever top-post unless I am forced to. |
| 09:33:44 | Llorean | I'm just worried we'll get USB implemented, and it'll be something like 1mb/minute, much to the dismay of all our happy fans. |
| 09:34:18 | aliask | petur: I'd like a copy, so that once I get my gigabeat working again I can test |
| 09:34:29 | Llorean | ddalton: I think part of the misunderstanding is that people seem to think that we want the whole previous email at the top of the message. Sometimes I get the impression that's what idea some of them have. |
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| 09:35:01 | Llorean | petur: Does that mean the sansa can actually accept file transfers, or is the UMS more just accepting a connection or what? |
| 09:35:14 | ddalton | anyway something different in my inbox monday morning. |
| 09:35:26 | ddalton | "Daniel Dalton you are hard to please" |
| 09:35:41 | ddalton | actually I think there was a : somewhere as well. |
| 09:36:00 | petur | Llorean: it is not functional yet |
| 09:36:03 | ddalton | and then I should pay there internet bill for just giving them advice. |
| 09:36:08 | * | JdGordon has a naughty mind and thought of a rude joke for that last addition :p |
| 09:36:14 | Llorean | petur: Alright. I was curious where the "partial" ends. :) |
| 09:36:44 | petur | uploaded his patch here: petur/gsoc/">http://users.telenet.be/petur/gsoc/ |
| 09:37:29 | petur | Llorean: I'll know tonight when I can test. His previous version did absolutely nothing on my H10 |
| 09:37:31 | Llorean | Would it be possible, in the future, for Database to transparently add files as they're transferred on to the player? (Obviously at a cost to transfer speed, I'm sure) |
| 09:37:49 | Llorean | On units with this kind of USB, that is. |
| 09:37:57 | petur | no |
| 09:38:10 | petur | unless it is all in memory |
| 09:38:25 | petur | you can't access disk during UMS |
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| 09:38:53 | JdGordon | what about storing dircache to disk and then only rebuyilidn git if usb was attached? |
| 09:38:54 | Llorean | During UMS we should have a good deal of memory that can be used though, the audio buffer right? |
| 09:39:08 | JdGordon | much faster dircache load on hard disk players... |
| 09:39:27 | petur | first USB has to work :) |
| 09:39:31 | Llorean | Obviously. :) |
| 09:39:35 | Zagor | on targets with soft-usb it could be done, couldn't it? |
| 09:39:40 | Llorean | Zagor: I would assume it could |
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| 09:39:44 | Llorean | It's essentially what MTP players do |
| 09:39:49 | Zagor | exactly |
| 09:39:51 | Llorean | They just use MTP to transfer the metadata, I thought |
| 09:40:09 | Llorean | As opposed to scanning themselves |
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| 10:33:34 | linuxstb_ | petur: Is that patch you posted using ac's own low-level driver, or MrH's ? |
| 10:33:59 | petur | from first looks it seems to be his own, and using interrupts |
| 10:34:40 | petur | have not done a real compare of the code |
| 10:34:44 | linuxstb_ | That's good. Did he say what's working? |
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| 10:35:01 | petur | yes, one moment |
| 10:36:25 | petur | linuxstb: http://pastebin.ca/672090 |
| 10:37:15 | petur | misses a mechanism to notify his driver of incoming data |
| 10:40:19 | linuxstb | What's "CH9" ? |
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| 10:40:54 | * | linuxstb googles and discovers "Chapter 9" |
| 10:40:57 | petur | chapter 9, the part of the spec that is in chapter 9 of the spec ;) |
| 10:41:18 | petur | deals with the endpoint stuff and more |
| 10:41:22 | petur | (iirc) |
| 10:41:43 | linuxstb | "USB Device Framework" (Chapter 9) |
| 10:42:09 | petur | yes |
| 10:42:23 | linuxstb | It's nice that there's a test application we can use to test Rockbox's compliance. |
| 10:43:07 | petur | my first test yesterday on H10 didn't do a thing, I hope I get more out of it tonight |
| 10:43:38 | linuxstb | Was barrywardell testing on his H10? |
| 10:43:46 | petur | yes |
| 10:44:05 | linuxstb | I'm just about to try it now on my ipod Color. |
| 10:44:55 | petur | don't dorget to add the two defines to your config_xxx.h |
| 10:44:59 | petur | *forget |
| 10:46:51 | linuxstb | Yes, I noticed those. |
| 10:47:03 | bluebrother | what's the second? USE_USBSTACK and ...? |
| 10:47:29 | petur | errrr.... look in the e-200 config file... |
| 10:47:46 | bluebrother | ah :) |
| 10:47:58 | * | amiconn thinks that the final implementation should go without a #define in the config-*.h |
| 10:48:23 | petur | and USE_xxx doesn't follow the normal naming |
| 10:51:51 | bluebrother | hmm, doesn't build for mini2g ... IRAM full :( |
| 10:53:46 | linuxstb | Hmm, nothing at all happens on my ipod Color - Rockbox stays in the file browser when I attach USB... |
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| 11:00:58 | DerPapst | morning :) |
| 11:02:21 | petur | linuxstb: does the same thing on my H10 (nothing |
| 11:03:12 | linuxstb | petur: Seems ac has removed all the code from usb_init_device() - maybe that's preventing USB being detected. |
| 11:03:27 | * | petur gets enough work on his desk to keep him busy all day :/ |
| 11:03:58 | linuxstb | petur: It's a working day for you today? |
| 11:03:59 | petur | it would help a lot if he would get in here... |
| 11:04:14 | petur | linuxstb: yes, not for you? |
| 11:04:23 | linuxstb | No, it's a holiday in the UK today. |
| 11:04:27 | daurn | ??????????wtf is this |
| 11:04:28 | petur | lucky you |
| 11:05:07 | linuxstb | It's our last one until Christmas though... |
| 11:08:38 | linuxstb | Could any Sansa owner test if the patch at least does something there? |
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| 11:17:20 | Llorean | linuxstb: I get a USB logo on my e200 |
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| 11:17:37 | linuxstb | Llorean: That's better than the ipods and H10 then... |
| 11:18:18 | linuxstb | Do you have a Linux box you can test on? You should see some messages in /var/log/messages when you attach your sansa |
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| 11:18:40 | Llorean | I'm on a linux box |
| 11:19:20 | Llorean | Anyone object to a 3-line paste? |
| 11:19:30 | linuxstb | I think we can live with that... |
| 11:19:35 | Llorean | Aug 27 04:18:00 DarkkLinux kernel: [13462.256000] usb 4-1: USB disconnect, address 4 |
| 11:19:36 | Llorean | Aug 27 04:18:04 DarkkLinux kernel: [13466.828000] usb 4-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 5 |
| 11:19:36 | Llorean | Aug 27 04:18:05 DarkkLinux kernel: [13466.984000] usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
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| 11:21:11 | Llorean | Why's the first message related to it a disconnect? |
| 11:21:21 | linuxstb | No idea... |
| 11:22:03 | Llorean | Oh, nevermind, that was the previous connection. |
| 11:22:13 | Llorean | So it's just the latter two lines |
| 11:22:39 | Llorean | So it seems to at least be recognizable as a device and connecting? |
| 11:22:43 | linuxstb | Those are the first two lines I get when connecting with the Apple firmware. It then starts displaying messages relating to SCSI and USB Mass Storage. |
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| 11:24:01 | Llorean | So right now it "kinda" works, but needs some fixing on non-Sansas? |
| 11:26:23 | linuxstb | Yes, I'm guessing that at least some of the old init_device code is needed. But I don't know how much (if any) has just been moved to other parts of the code... |
| 11:26:52 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 11:27:53 | Llorean | Once this is working, it'd be nice to have a "USB Mode" toggle in the System menu. So if you're plugged into a PC (for charging) you can go to it for file transfer, and maybe tap Select while in the USB screen to go back to charging. |
| 11:28:14 | Llorean | Especially for users of docks. |
| 11:28:36 | amiconn | Why should that be different than on hw usb targets? |
| 11:28:39 | linuxstb | Why would that only be useful when this is working? |
| 11:29:03 | Llorean | The answer to both of you is "it should be useful now, on HW targets, too" |
| 11:29:29 | Llorean | It'd be nice to be able to exit USB mode to charging mode without unplugging, holding (button) and replugging. |
| 11:30:26 | * | amiconn thinks that'd be too dangerous, especially on linux (and probably macos too) |
| 11:30:51 | * | bluebrother agrees |
| 11:31:18 | Llorean | Well, from a computer you can eject, and it'll go to charging. |
| 11:31:32 | Llorean | On some players, at least. |
| 11:31:41 | * | petur likes the way the H10 warns not to disconnect when transfer is busy... |
| 11:31:43 | Llorean | On others you eject and it stays in the USB screen. |
| 11:31:46 | amiconn | With sw usb that might be possible |
| 11:32:00 | amiconn | But I don't really see the point, as it also charges when in usb |
| 11:32:01 | Llorean | So it'd be nice to have a way to force it out of the USB screen after you've hit Eject on the PC |
| 11:32:09 | Llorean | amiconn: So you can begin listening to music? |
| 11:33:08 | linuxstb | amiconn: This is for people that use their players to play music whilst they're connected to the computer. The same people that want to configure the behaviour when USB is attached... |
| 11:33:49 | jbit | i don't think it's "dangerous", just have a prompt asking if they're sure or something to avoid accidental forced disconnect |
| 11:33:54 | Llorean | As it is, on my gigabeat, I'm glad there's a switch on the dock that turns USB on/off through the dock, so once I eject, I can flip that switch and it's able to playback |
| 11:33:59 | jbit | i mean it's jsut as dangerous as yanking the cord :) |
| 11:34:08 | Llorean | jbit: It's dangerous if your OS hasn't finished writing, but hasn't told you that it hasn't |
| 11:34:23 | Nico_P | petur: I got quick answers from austriancoder :) |
| 11:34:36 | jbit | Llorean: i understand that, but it's no more dangerous than pulling the usb cable or removing hte played from the dock in that state |
| 11:35:05 | jbit | so just show a message saying "are you sure you wish to disconnect, this could cause data loss" or so |
| 11:35:15 | Llorean | jbit: Exactly, and that's pretty dangerous too. I can see where having that function might suggest to people that it's similar to the "Eject" function, just initiated from the player's side |
| 11:35:48 | amiconn | Yes, but an accidental button hit happens much easier than pulling the cable |
| 11:35:51 | jbit | it's a nice feature to have, imho :) |
| 11:36:31 | amiconn | But rockbox could of course leave the usb screen (no special button necessary for that) when the computer disconnects usb |
| 11:36:50 | amiconn | That would be possible with sw usb, and some hw usb targets too (e.g. X5) |
| 11:37:02 | Llorean | amiconn: Which HW USB ones can't we do that with? |
| 11:39:48 | * | rasher now has a Gigabeat, E200 and H1x0 Tango icon |
| 11:40:02 | Llorean | Oooh. 3 of the 5 players I use. :) |
| 11:40:32 | rasher | The gigabeat and h1x0 are only in the 48x48 size though (and svg) |
| 11:40:59 | Nico_P | rasher: can we see ? |
| 11:41:02 | bluebrother | rasher: cool :) |
| 11:41:14 | linuxstb | What's a Tango icon ? |
| 11:42:01 | rasher | Nico_P: Yeah, hang on |
| 11:42:04 | bluebrother | an icon matching the tango theme :) |
| 11:42:05 | parafin | http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Desktop_Project |
| 11:42:26 | linuxstb | What's that used for? rbutil? |
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| 11:42:34 | bluebrother | rbutil uses icons from the tango project |
| 11:44:45 | rasher | Actually, it uses icons from gnome-icon-theme |
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| 11:44:58 | rasher | Because those are GPL, the tango icons are CC-by-sa |
| 11:45:04 | amiconn | Llorean: It's only possible if (1) the usb bridge has a pin for signalling whether it got disconnected, and (2) this pin is connected to the player's CPU |
| 11:45:14 | amiconn | Oh, and on swusb of course |
| 11:45:31 | bluebrother | rasher: couldn't we include tango icons and state that fact in the about dialog? |
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| 11:45:59 | bluebrother | or are those licenses incompatible? |
| 11:46:14 | linuxstb | Reinstanting all the old code from usb_init_device (apart from the call to dr_controller_setup, which doesn't exist any more) seems to fix it on my ipod color. I also needed to disable all the code in usb_enable(). |
| 11:46:35 | linuxstb | ^reinstating |
| 11:47:03 | linuxstb | I get the same two lines in /var/log/messages that Llorean did. |
| 11:47:08 | rasher | bluebrother: Not when we're linking them into the binary, cc-by-sa isn't compatible with the GPL |
| 11:47:28 | bluebrother | hmm, too bad :( |
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| 11:47:46 | rasher | Besides, gnome-icon-theme is rapidly approaching being a 1:1 copy |
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| 11:50:03 | rasher | Nico_P: rasher.dk/rockbox/tango-icons/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/tango-icons/ |
| 11:51:33 | Nico_P | nice :) |
| 11:51:44 | * | linuxstb wonders how to make the ums or serial driver attempt to do something |
| 11:51:55 | bluebrother | they look really nice. Would be cool if we could use them in rbutil |
| 11:52:20 | Llorean | I personally prefer the no-phones versions. |
| 11:52:25 | Llorean | They are all quite nice, though |
| 11:55:29 | * | ddalton Wonders if anyone has got p7660 to work on the h300. |
| 11:57:25 | amiconn | Why not just scale down the svg drawings? |
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| 11:59:52 | * | bluebrother was thinking about that too |
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| 12:01:37 | JdGordon | petur: do you know if the usb_stack_mode is the vairble he wants to be settable from a dynamically loaded list of some sort? |
| 12:02:01 | petur | not sure... |
| 12:02:36 | ddalton | How much ram does the gigabeat have? |
| 12:03:11 | ddalton | not sure if that last message got through but how much ram does the gigabeat have? |
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| 12:04:19 | Llorean | ddalton: 32mb |
| 12:04:56 | Llorean | megabytes, rather. |
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| 12:06:54 | ddalton | has anyone considered committing p6138? |
| 12:07:26 | ddalton | and maybe p7553 |
| 12:07:29 | ddalton | I think it is |
| 12:09:30 | ddalton | It is the voice file type one. |
| 12:13:12 | * | JdGordon wonders if someone can do a 6x8 pixel usb icon... |
| 12:14:08 | * | JdGordon slaps austriancoder around with a absent trout |
| 12:15:01 | Nico_P | he said he was going to come around here soon |
| 12:15:07 | JdGordon | yay :) |
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| 12:16:30 | * | JdGordon slaps self... that idea wont work stupid head :p |
| 12:17:40 | JdGordon | hmm.... maybe it will.... |
| 12:18:28 | markun | Nico_P: when did you talk to him? |
| 12:19:00 | Nico_P | he sent me an email about 3/4h ago |
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| 12:21:53 | rasher | ddalton: I've got FS #7660 to not work on h100 if that counts |
| 12:22:21 | rasher | amiconn: The svg drawings don't scale well to really small sizes. They're too detailed |
| 12:23:59 | * | ddalton I will need to try the simulater. |
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| 12:35:09 | jeeger | Hey, are there unicode fonts for rockbox? Containing all these german umlauts and the nordic characters? |
| 12:35:40 | rasher | Almost all of the fonts in Rockbox include those characters |
| 12:36:01 | rasher | jeeger: See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts for details (and the link at the bottom of that page) |
| 12:36:19 | jeeger | Oh thanks. |
| 12:36:28 | * | jeeger blushes for not looking first |
| 12:36:39 | rasher | You're looking for ISO8859-1 / ISO8859-15 |
| 12:37:15 | rasher | Or on my page it's called "Additional latin" I believe |
| 12:37:24 | jeeger | Yeah the characters. |
| 12:37:39 | jeeger | However, in the database, an Ä still gets displayed as a ?. |
| 12:37:44 | jeeger | I have selected unifont |
| 12:37:50 | rasher | That might be a problem with your tags |
| 12:38:10 | jeeger | ID3v2 tags use UTF-8 as a standard, right? |
| 12:38:23 | rasher | I honestly don't know |
| 12:38:27 | amiconn | No, that depends on the exact version |
| 12:38:49 | jeeger | Wikipedia knows^^ |
| 12:38:53 | jeeger | One moment |
| 12:38:53 | B4gder | id3 is... a very moving target |
| 12:39:05 | amiconn | ID3v2.4 use UTF-8 as standard. ID3v2.3 uses the local codepage as standard, with an option to use UTF-16 (iirc) |
| 12:39:10 | bluebrother | id3v2 can have utf8 |
| 12:39:34 | bluebrother | iirc id3v2 has a flag to indicate if the data is utf8. |
| 12:39:36 | GodEater_ | rockbox-users seems to have become "rockbox-flamewar" yesterday! I'm glad I don't subscribe anymore. |
| 12:39:52 | scorche | you just noticed? =) |
| 12:39:57 | bluebrother | maybe someone should setup rockbox-flames? |
| 12:40:00 | jeeger | bluebrother: Yeah just read it |
| 12:40:01 | GodEater_ | no - I noticed yesterday |
| 12:40:05 | GodEater_ | but I just caught up today |
| 12:40:14 | bluebrother | jeeger: use ogg, vorbis comments are always utf8 ;-) |
| 12:40:19 | jeeger | So how do I change/check the encoding of my mp3s? |
| 12:40:24 | jeeger | bluebrother: Legacy files^^ |
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| 12:43:34 | ddalton | Well who ever is using AOL had a go at me 3 times and said I told them that they couldn't have there signature. Well I think they should read the archives and stop complaining. |
| 12:43:44 | ddalton | cause I never said that. |
| 12:44:20 | B4gder | ddalton: just ignore it |
| 12:45:06 | bluebrother | users can be really a... (to avoid that word some user used for the "veterans" ;-) |
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| 12:47:37 | ddalton | why would someone waste there time complaining to me? If it is about rubbish like that I am not going to care. |
| 12:47:45 | * | ddalton the delete key is handy! |
| 12:50:40 | amiconn | My provider's mail filter marked the mails with those links in the signature as what they are - spam |
| 12:50:44 | _jz | comment file being multilines in id3 vizualisation through context menu would be so good for very long comments ! |
| 12:51:07 | B4gder | I must say that adding a bunch of ad links at the bottom of a mail is next to spam |
| 12:51:14 | ddalton | surely 21 kb is far to big for a one line reply. |
| 12:51:25 | ddalton | what if they had a 50 line reply. |
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| 12:52:37 | bluebrother | then it would be 22kB. Or 21 * 50 kB :) |
| 12:52:51 | * | bluebrother considers HTML mails spam in almost all cases |
| 12:53:01 | jeeger | hehe |
| 12:53:10 | jeeger | +1 |
| 12:53:11 | B4gder | yeha html in mail trigger my spam count big time |
| 12:53:22 | * | B4gder pats spamassassin |
| 12:53:40 | ddalton | yeah why don't you add that to the rules. See what users think. |
| 12:53:52 | ddalton | I am joking but would be a long argument! |
| 12:54:03 | B4gder | hehe |
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| 12:55:06 | B4gder | ... but admittedly I do get a few legitmate mails in my spam box due to this |
| 12:55:50 | * | B4gder got a new spam high score last week with 10000 spams in less than 19 hours |
| 12:56:39 | DerPapst | o.O |
| 12:56:44 | * | ddalton wonders why top-posting was a bigger issue than the voice file problem. |
| 12:57:03 | B4gder | religion vs technical... |
| 12:57:32 | DerPapst | bah.. smarty. wtf |
| 12:57:34 | Llorean | amiconn: Someone has theorized that the Nano problem is actually a heat issue. |
| 12:57:58 | scorche | i doubt that... |
| 12:58:22 | ddalton | well I have seen the line "Daniel Dalton: Can anybody do anything to satisfy you?" far to offen. I am not even the moderator. Wonder what I said that was so bad. |
| 12:58:31 | Llorean | scorche: For him, at least, his player was experiencing similar problems during hot weather, then when it cooled, worked again. |
| 12:58:52 | scorche | Llorean: shall i get the hair dryer out? (assuming i have one around here) |
| 12:59:00 | Llorean | ddalton: Honestly, you just have to let it go. It's the other people who will never be satisfied, so you shouldn't worry about it. |
| 12:59:07 | B4gder | ddalton: you really need to learn to just forget about stuff like that. as long as you speak out about subject, you will get a few loud people our there not understanding |
| 12:59:20 | Llorean | The only way to avoid such things is not to post. :) |
| 12:59:43 | * | GodEater_ adopts this latter strategy |
| 12:59:43 | Llorean | scorche: My hair drier has died. I guess I could take it out with me today. |
| 12:59:56 | scorche | i have used my nano in the vegas heat just fine... |
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| 13:00:02 | ddalton | yeah well I got sick of seing the same messages in my inbox and I guess I shouldn't have. It achieved nothing. |
| 13:00:12 | Llorean | scorche: Pre 80-mhz update, or post? |
| 13:00:18 | scorche | pre |
| 13:00:31 | Llorean | Maybe the flash can't be accessed as fast when hot? |
| 13:00:41 | Llorean | A combination of timing issues + heat? |
| 13:00:44 | ddalton | but if it is about top-posting why does someone want me to pay there internet bill? Shouldn't that be a different thred? |
| 13:01:02 | scorche | Llorean: well, i have the hair dryer, although i feel a bit silly... |
| 13:01:06 | Llorean | It could explain why there's no obvious hardware sign as to why one person's player works and another's doesn't: Environmental issues of some sort. |
| 13:01:15 | Llorean | We could always just wait a day or two |
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| 13:01:30 | Llorean | Someone else is sure to comment about "It's 30F here and mine still does it" or something similar. |
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| 13:04:42 | amiconn | Llorean: I doubt that, especially since some nanos are reported to have problems right after boot afaik |
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| 13:04:59 | Llorean | amiconn: Left in the sun? It is often the black ones. ;) |
| 13:05:22 | Llorean | Ah well, 'twas worth a shot. |
| 13:05:43 | scorche | well, regardless, i am holding a hairdryer on my non, so we can disprove this properly |
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| 13:06:34 | amiconn | Heat might add to it, but is most likely not the root cause of the problem |
| 13:07:24 | amiconn | Anyway, all that is speculation without having access to an actual problematic unit |
| 13:07:41 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 13:07:59 | scorche | my nano is hot to the touch, and works just fine...no surprises there, but we can give a definite "that is not the issue" |
| 13:08:01 | * | Llorean just remembers he has a friend with a Nano. |
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| 13:09:31 | petur | but does he have a hairdryer? |
| 13:09:45 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 13:09:50 | Llorean | Actually, I'm almost certain he does. |
| 13:09:59 | Llorean | He's a bit... I don't want to say vain, so we'll pretend I didn't. |
| 13:10:28 | Llorean | But his is a good deal newer than mine, so maybe his will experience the problem |
| 13:10:50 | Llorean | If it does, I can exchange mine for his, then run tests and if necessary mail it to amiconn. |
| 13:11:03 | Llorean | Or mail it to whomever is intereste.d |
| 13:11:19 | Llorean | Though I'm not used to hoping for a non-working player |
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| 13:17:20 | scorche | hrm...i might sit in for that Tek Talk thing just to make corrections... |
| 13:18:43 | Llorean | If I'm not busy, I intend to. |
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| 13:18:55 | Llorean | To watch out for misunderstandings. |
| 13:19:31 | scorche | well, may the fastest corrector win =) |
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| 13:20:04 | scorche | he lives! =) |
| 13:24:15 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Did you see my comments earlier regarding your USB code on the ipod? It seems that at least some of the code you removed from usb_device_init() is required for usb detection to work. Petur reported a similar issue on the H10. |
| 13:24:28 | * | petur falls over |
| 13:24:45 | linuxstb | Putting it all back made it work again, but I don't know what the consequences of that will be, or how much was actually removed, or just moved to different parts of the driver... |
| 13:25:04 | austriancoder | linuxstb: will add it back on git repo... on the sansa it works without it |
| 13:26:43 | linuxstb | Is anything needed to make the serial driver attempt to connect? When attaching my ipod to my Linux box, I just get the first two lines ("new high-speed USB device..." and "configuration #1 chosen...") in /var/log/messages but nothing about serial. |
| 13:26:46 | petur | austriancoder: hosting the code now somewhere? |
| 13:26:48 | JdGordon | austriancoder: hey, so what do you need for the setting stuff? |
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| 13:27:50 | austriancoder | linuxstb: modprobe usbserial vendor=0x0525 product=0xa4a6 |
| 13:28:10 | austriancoder | petur: yes.. git... http://repo.or.cz |
| 13:28:10 | linuxstb | That vendor/product code is hard-coded in your driver? |
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| 13:28:20 | austriancoder | linuxstb: yes.. needs to be changed |
| 13:28:39 | austriancoder | maybe rockbox can get an own usb vendor id? |
| 13:28:52 | petur | can we figure out the codes that pp uses |
| 13:29:02 | petur | austriancoder: not just like that, no |
| 13:29:46 | petur | http://www.usb.org/developers |
| 13:29:48 | obo | ouch - vendor ids cost... $2000 to $4000 |
| 13:29:48 | B4gder | "Email admin@usb.org for more information on USB-IF membership and obtaining a VID." |
| 13:30:01 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Now I get this - is it what you would expect? http://www.pastebin.ca/672204 |
| 13:30:14 | petur | yes, The annual membership fee is US$4,000. |
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| 13:30:35 | petur | or 2000 for 2 years |
| 13:30:36 | B4gder | I think we'll manage without one ;*) |
| 13:30:37 | Llorean | Yes, but you can *just* purchase a vendor ID for 2000 |
| 13:30:47 | linuxstb | Can't we just reuse the original manufacturer's ID? |
| 13:30:51 | austriancoder | linuxstb: looks good |
| 13:30:52 | linuxstb | s/original/hardware/ |
| 13:31:00 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think we should. |
| 13:31:02 | petur | linuxstb: that's what I said |
| 13:31:07 | amiconn | I think rockbox should use the VID and PID of the target it runs on |
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| 13:31:09 | Llorean | petur: That 2000 for 2 years is to use the USB Logo. |
| 13:31:27 | petur | oh... |
| 13:31:57 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Then it seems to be good to go on the ipods... ;) I restored everything from usb_device_init() apart from the call to dr_controller_setup(). I also had to disable the code in usb_enable() - it looks like the H10 will need that disabling as well. |
| 13:32:24 | Llorean | petur: It looks like you also get a VID assigned with that though, but it says at the bottom you can "purchase" a VID for $2000 as well, without logo rights. I assume that by purchase they mean eternal. |
| 13:32:47 | B4gder | we can also just not buy one and simply use one we like ;-) |
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| 13:32:49 | Llorean | Yep |
| 13:32:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: usb_enable() is called by the usb thread to actually enable the usb connected on targets with hw-usb |
| 13:32:56 | petur | still, we could rip it from the pp code... |
| 13:33:02 | amiconn | So it actually needs to do something on sw-usb as well |
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| 13:33:16 | Llorean | petur: They're different for different devices. The h10, iPod, and Sansa each have their own (I believe the Sansa has 3) |
| 13:33:20 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes - austriancoder's code seems to do something elsewhere... The old "reboot-to-diskmode" code is still in that function. |
| 13:33:34 | amiconn | ouch |
| 13:33:39 | Llorean | We *could* set our own VID to something arbitrary, maybe so utilities later can determine if Rockbox is running? |
| 13:33:53 | amiconn | The usb code must not engage usb by itself, before the usb thread signals it's okay to do so |
| 13:34:19 | linuxstb | Llorean: I think we could implement proprietory "scsi inquiry" commands - the Apple disk mode code appears to do that. |
| 13:34:29 | petur | amiconn: unless you're starting another driver, not UMS... |
| 13:35:04 | petur | (like serial) |
| 13:35:39 | amiconn | That's a different thing, sure. But I would expect UMS to be the first (and for most users, only) application |
| 13:35:41 | linuxstb | What do people think (including austriancoder) about committing this code to SVN? It would seem to make more sense to work on it there, rather than externally, as long as it's #ifdef'ed out by default. |
| 13:35:57 | B4gder | I fully agree to that |
| 13:36:13 | austriancoder | but its not stable and not fully working |
| 13:36:33 | linuxstb | If it's #ifdef'ed out, then it doesn't matter IMO. |
| 13:36:33 | B4gder | #ifdef'ed out by default... |
| 13:36:34 | Zagor | anyone here have a sansa c200-series player? |
| 13:36:53 | Llorean | I'm all for committing it. |
| 13:36:56 | Llorean | Many eyes, and such |
| 13:37:00 | B4gder | Zagor: low_light seems to be the c200 man, although not around atm |
| 13:37:01 | aliask | Zagor: Yes |
| 13:37:06 | austriancoder | linuxstb: okay.. HAVE_USBSTACK is there.. so should be no problem |
| 13:37:11 | * | Llorean has been tempted by the c200 a few times |
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| 13:37:28 | JdGordon | wouldnt putting it into a seperate branch make more sense? |
| 13:37:30 | linuxstb | austriancoder: We just need to make sure we don't break the existing "reboot-to-diskmode" functionality. |
| 13:37:48 | B4gder | JdGordon: I don't think so, it just makes it a lot harder for people to test and make new patches for it etc |
| 13:37:57 | khalid | Hello |
| 13:38:11 | austriancoder | linuxstb: could add a #ifdef around it |
| 13:38:22 | Llorean | linuxstb: Sansas never rebooted to diskmode anyway. =/ |
| 13:38:34 | khalid | My iPod's MBR is broken and I don't find the FAQ page or the MBR file. Where can I font it ? |
| 13:38:35 | Llorean | From a user perspective, nothing will have changed on Sansa. |
| 13:38:42 | khalid | fond/find |
| 13:38:42 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Yep - just a #ifndef HAVE_USBSTACK inside usb_enable(). |
| 13:39:13 | linuxstb | Try the IpodConversionFromFAT32 wiki page. |
| 13:39:38 | amiconn | linuxstb: We still need reboot-to-diskmode on several ipods even with the usb stack in place - for firewire |
| 13:40:13 | austriancoder | amiconn: then we need to check if its firewire or usb and do a reboot when fw connect else use the stack |
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| 13:41:12 | bluebrother | khalid: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodManualRestore might also be interesting |
| 13:41:22 | JdGordon | austriancoder: im not doing anything now, so tell me what you need from the settins and ill do it ... |
| 13:41:33 | khalid | Thank you very much |
| 13:41:45 | amiconn | austriancoder: yes. |
| 13:41:51 | austriancoder | JdGordon: http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/soc002.jpg |
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| 13:42:26 | austriancoder | JdGordon: I can give you a char[] with all names |
| 13:42:29 | amiconn | Ideally, someone should figure out firewire as well, and implement SBP2 disk mode... |
| 13:42:38 | JdGordon | austriancoder: you havnt created the variable in global_settings yet have you? |
| 13:42:45 | JdGordon | or is that the int driver_mode? |
| 13:43:04 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Why are the drivers a linked-list, rather than an array? Are you planning dynamically loadable usb class drivers? (or am I misunderstanding?) |
| 13:43:28 | preglow | why, top posting has been mentioned on the ml again, it seems :> |
| 13:43:39 | austriancoder | JdGordon: device_driver_names in usbstack,h |
| 13:43:47 | * | amiconn wonders how that would wor... |
| 13:43:50 | amiconn | +k |
| 13:44:01 | Llorean | What are the possible class drivers we'd get? |
| 13:44:11 | JdGordon | austriancoder: where do you want the set one saved to, and is there a way to find out how many there are? |
| 13:44:13 | Llorean | Or are some of these potentially various host drivers in the future? |
| 13:44:17 | JdGordon | or do I have to walk the list? |
| 13:44:34 | austriancoder | JdGordon: device_driver_names gets updated by the stack.. simply use it |
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| 13:44:50 | JdGordon | how do i know how many are there? |
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| 13:45:09 | austriancoder | JdGordon: device_driver_names is eg. "driver1,driver2,driver3" |
| 13:45:32 | JdGordon | oh, I thought that array was \0 seperated... |
| 13:45:36 | JdGordon | ok, comma is fine also |
| 13:45:53 | JdGordon | is this the usbstack_mode variable? or something elsE? |
| 13:46:15 | austriancoder | JdGordon: usbstack_mode = DEVICE or HOST |
| 13:46:49 | petur | do we really need a variable list of drivers? |
| 13:47:26 | * | JdGordon would love to be able to hook one of these up to the sansa.. http://www.crystalfontz.com/products/635/index.html |
| 13:47:28 | aliask | Re: espeak being GPLv3 is it possible to ask jonsd (assuming he's the only dev) to provide the current revision under GPLv2? |
| 13:47:40 | austriancoder | petur: i think so.. the user can switch between serial/mastorage/ rockbox_multiplayer_driver/.../soundcard/... |
| 13:47:53 | austriancoder | petur: If there are more driver I also want to switch |
| 13:48:18 | Llorean | aliask: It'd be possible, but if he wanted the code under v2 I imagine he would've kept it so. |
| 13:48:49 | JdGordon | I thought gplv3 was compat with v2? |
| 13:48:57 | Llorean | No, it's very clearly not. |
| 13:49:01 | austriancoder | linuxstb: can be changed to an array... the idea was to have all drivers on disk and load them on demand from filesystem... but as they are in core atm |
| 13:49:02 | aliask | Llorean: Perhaps, but there are still files listed as v2 in the patch on the tracker - so perhaps he's just updating to v3 for the sake of it. |
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| 13:49:14 | Llorean | aliask: Well, it's worth asking. |
| 13:49:24 | amiconn | austriancoder: How would you implement dynamically loadable drivers without a dynamic loader, and without dynamic memory allocation? |
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| 13:49:54 | austriancoder | amiconn: thats why I did put everything in the core... the list was from the first day of coding |
| 13:50:03 | aliask | Does anyone have any problem with me sending a quick email off to him asking if he will? |
| 13:50:13 | petur | maybe we can use the plugin system for it? :) |
| 13:50:27 | JdGordon | no.... plugins willl be needed for my master plan :p |
| 13:50:40 | * | petur gets scared |
| 13:50:47 | Llorean | aliask: You might want to mention what our project is, and why we were looking to incorporate TTS. |
| 13:50:52 | aliask | JdGordon: What's the plan? |
| 13:51:02 | aliask | Llorean: Yes, I'll cover that all in the mail. |
| 13:51:06 | JdGordon | the link i pasted |
| 13:51:12 | JdGordon | giant WPS for the car |
| 13:51:17 | aliask | Ah, of course :) |
| 13:51:22 | Llorean | aliask: It's entirely possible he might be interested in helping integrate TTS support, too. :-P |
| 13:51:22 | amiconn | petur: Plugins can only be loaded one at a time. |
| 13:51:32 | amiconn | ...and then no other plugin can run |
| 13:51:50 | JdGordon | austriancoder: can I guarentee that there will always be at least 1 driver? |
| 13:52:04 | petur | amiconn: fine, you only want to have one usb driver at a time - you just can't do usb + plugins then |
| 13:52:10 | austriancoder | JdGordon: yes |
| 13:52:15 | Llorean | The one problem about mailing lists is that unlike forums, you can't bloody lock threads. |
| 13:52:16 | * | Llorean sighs. |
| 13:52:43 | bluebrother | well, you can ignore them |
| 13:52:47 | Llorean | If only one USB driver can ever be in use at once, I'm missing the point of the linked list. |
| 13:53:02 | austriancoder | petur: keep in mind the host part.. whee more then one host device driver could be used |
| 13:53:18 | petur | Llorean: I think it is mostly for host |
| 13:53:35 | Llorean | Under what circumstance do you use multiple? If you connect to a hub? |
| 13:53:36 | petur | ums/hid/... |
| 13:53:50 | Llorean | I can see swapping out UMS for HID depending on what's inserted. |
| 13:54:11 | petur | I wouldn't try to support multiple devices, I'm sure the controller can't handle that many ep's anyway |
| 13:54:19 | austriancoder | Llorean: yes.. for host.. if a new device gets connect the host asks every driver he can handle the new device. yes connect rockbox to a hub and connect on the hub a usb storage and an other usb device |
| 13:54:26 | amiconn | petur: battery_bench? |
| 13:54:45 | petur | amiconn: never used it :p |
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| 13:55:03 | amiconn | But if one driver at a time is enough, we can replicate the same system for usb drivers |
| 13:55:09 | Llorean | austriancoder: I think we should probably assume a hub won't, or shouldn't, be used. |
| 13:55:12 | austriancoder | petur: for msc we only need two eps... serial also two.. so multipile drivers are oky |
| 13:55:24 | austriancoder | Llorean: why? |
| 13:55:33 | Llorean | It's a DAP. |
| 13:55:36 | amiconn | (same as we'll probably - hopefully - have language specific voice code) |
| 13:55:37 | austriancoder | Llorean: thats the first thing i would try... |
| 13:55:44 | Llorean | So tell people it's unsupported. |
| 13:56:00 | Llorean | Instead of reserving memory for multiple drivers at the cost of audio thread or anything else. |
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| 13:56:57 | Llorean | Swap them out like we do for codecs or plugins, but leave it at one at a time. In my opinion. |
| 13:57:26 | preglow | why, antonius just went ahead and ported espeak, did he |
| 13:57:42 | Llorean | preglow: But a GPLv3 version of it, it seems. |
| 13:57:58 | B4gder | well quite possibly it applies to the v2 version too |
| 13:58:10 | austriancoder | Llorean: i think its to early to discuss this... as host part needs a lot more work then the device part |
| 13:59:01 | Llorean | B4gder: At the very least, someone could diff the version of espeak it was ported from, r55 from their SVN, and manually apply those changes, removing all GPLv3 code? |
| 13:59:07 | Llorean | I mean, it's dubious, I guess. |
| 13:59:23 | austriancoder | Llorean: I will change it to an array... and everybody is happy |
| 13:59:41 | preglow | or, we could go gplv3 :> |
| 13:59:44 | B4gder | yes that could be done, assuming that antonius doesn't feel that his patch is v3 |
| 13:59:55 | petur | Llorean: don't we want to be able to attach at least a keyboard and a mouse? ;) |
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| 14:00:35 | Llorean | petur: Not until we've got USB networking for Doom. :-P |
| 14:00:59 | petur | woohoo.. multiplayer :) |
| 14:01:26 | aliask | Oh, we need a hub so we can have keyboard AND multiplayer |
| 14:01:44 | B4gder | yeah, with multiple keyboards! |
| 14:01:55 | aliask | And speakers too, while we're at it. |
| 14:02:34 | BigBambi | Well, for speakers couldn't someone just write a driver for the headphone jack? :) |
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| 14:02:58 | aliask | BigBambi: If we're overengineering, we have to do it properly! |
| 14:02:59 | JdGordon | austriancoder: where do you want the setting saved to? the list is ready |
| 14:03:34 | petur | JdGordon: writing fancy macros again, are we? :p |
| 14:03:42 | JdGordon | nope ! |
| 14:04:01 | JdGordon | just got a quick non-talking list going in the hope we get usb sooner :) |
| 14:04:02 | austriancoder | JdGordon: in settings.h |
| 14:04:18 | JdGordon | I mean.. variable name? or make something up? |
| 14:04:26 | JdGordon | and char array length? |
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| 14:06:05 | austriancoder | unsigned char usb_stack_device_driver[32]; \0 terminted name |
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| 14:08:01 | Nico_P | JdGordon: re your car-WPS plugin, have you looked at the alpine plugin ? |
| 14:08:07 | aliask | I'm no good at this sort of thing, anyone got any suggestions? http://pastebin.ca/672239 |
| 14:08:11 | JdGordon | Nico_P: i havnt |
| 14:08:19 | Nico_P | JdGordon: you might want to :) |
| 14:08:27 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 14:08:51 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I'm not sure it's exactly what you want, but the concept sounds close enough to me |
| 14:09:39 | Llorean | aliask: You might want to add "or at least those parts of the source necessary for espeak's engine to run in rockbox" or something similar. |
| 14:10:01 | Nico_P | austriancoder: so you're not going to use git ? |
| 14:10:14 | austriancoder | Nico_P: semms not... |
| 14:10:15 | Nico_P | if you are, a proper fork of the rockbox project would be better |
| 14:10:32 | Nico_P | ok, so maybe you should request that the projects you created be deleted |
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| 14:11:26 | linuxstb | aliask: Looks OK to me. Although if I was receiving that email, I would ask you why Rockbox can't/won't switch to GPLv3. |
| 14:11:34 | austriancoder | Nico_P: I will.. |
| 14:13:21 | DerPapst | aliask: you might want to make it more explicit that one goal of rockbox is also to be useable for blind users. |
| 14:13:40 | JdGordon | austriancoder: default driver name? |
| 14:14:08 | austriancoder | JdGordon: storage |
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| 14:16:05 | JdGordon | austriancoder: is this usb stuff in the simulator also? |
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| 14:16:41 | austriancoder | JdGordon: no |
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| 14:17:12 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 14:17:57 | * | JdGordon loves it when code works first go :D |
| 14:19:27 | * | petur not, the bug usually turns out to be much harder... |
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| 14:24:14 | JdGordon | austriancoder: ok, all done, as but obviously the setting doesnt voice |
| 14:24:26 | JdGordon | and I think the use settings should go under system, not general |
| 14:24:26 | austriancoder | JdGordon: fine |
| 14:25:25 | austriancoder | JdGordon: can be fixed after commit |
| 14:25:31 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 14:27:40 | JdGordon | austriancoder: pm/dcc? |
| 14:27:56 | austriancoder | pm i read.. but whats dcc? |
| 14:28:11 | JdGordon | you didnt get a file accept request? |
| 14:28:45 | austriancoder | JdGordon: dont know if kopete has support fot it |
| 14:29:03 | JdGordon | kopete does irc? |
| 14:29:15 | austriancoder | yes |
| 14:29:23 | petur | austriancoder: use konversation.... |
| 14:37:02 | JdGordon | austriancoder: what you wanted? |
| 14:37:23 | austriancoder | nothing |
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| 14:37:40 | JdGordon | no, i mean, is the patch what you wanted? |
| 14:38:36 | austriancoder | ahh.. yepp.. looks fine.. |
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| 15:03:11 | B4gder | "1 person in 100 understand binary. The other 11 don't." |
| 15:03:28 | B4gder | kind of amusing twist on the old joke |
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| 15:04:23 | markun | B4gder: what was the old joke? |
| 15:04:56 | B4gder | "there are 10 kinds of people, those who don't know binary and those who do" |
| 15:05:08 | B4gder | or something like that |
| 15:05:12 | petur | yup |
| 15:05:21 | markun | :) |
| 15:05:54 | scorche | when people see me conting on my fingers, they give me odd looks.. |
| 15:05:58 | scorche | counting |
| 15:06:44 | JdGordon | you count in binary with your fingured? |
| 15:06:47 | JdGordon | s/d/s |
| 15:06:51 | gtkspert | i always count on my fingers... |
| 15:07:09 | scorche | yeah...i do it all the time...great for numbers larger than 10 =) |
| 15:07:16 | gtkspert | :) |
| 15:07:37 | gtkspert | i always have to count months... like this month is the 8th... |
| 15:07:38 | DerPapst | How many people can read hex if only you and dead people can read hex? |
| 15:07:45 | scorche | then again, they dont like it when i reach 4, 128, or 132... |
| 15:08:08 | gtkspert | DerPapst: 57006 |
| 15:08:14 | DerPapst | gtkspert ;) |
| 15:08:34 | B4gder | no, deae |
| 15:08:47 | daurn | what sort of power does Motorola’s Coldfire MFC5272 processor provide? |
| 15:08:47 | gtkspert | :) |
| 15:09:33 | JdGordon | daurn: you suck at jokes... |
| 15:09:37 | B4gder | daurn: power in what kind of measurement? |
| 15:09:46 | gtkspert | heheh |
| 15:09:48 | * | scorche wonders if anyone got his.. |
| 15:09:55 | daurn | can it decode ogg or mp3 |
| 15:10:05 | JdGordon | scorche: :D |
| 15:10:19 | B4gder | daurn: it is in the same family has the m5, x5, h1xx, h3xx... |
| 15:10:22 | B4gder | so yes |
| 15:10:29 | gtkspert | scorche: heheh nice |
| 15:10:30 | B4gder | s/has/as |
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| 15:18:49 | amiconn | The MCF5272 seems to be less powerful than the MCF5249 or SCF5250 Only 66MHz, 4K IRAM and 1K icache (instead of 120MHz, 96K resp. 128K IRAM and 8K icache) |
| 15:20:47 | * | Nico_P didn't get scorche's joke... |
| 15:21:09 | DerPapst | Nico_P: count binary with your fingers to 4 |
| 15:21:30 | Nico_P | oh right |
| 15:21:42 | DerPapst | :D |
| 15:21:51 | scorche | 128 is just other hand, 132 is both =P |
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| 15:27:41 | `sam` | hannesd, i was just looking up how to count binary on your hands |
| 15:27:48 | `sam` | whoa, stupid tab |
| 15:27:56 | `sam` | hannesd = ha |
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| 16:13:56 | petur | bah... too late to make a wish? |
| 16:14:33 | DerPapst | shoot |
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| 16:30:42 | Nico_P | austriancoder: is there a commit from you coming soon ? |
| 16:31:04 | austriancoder | Nico_P: I am prepearing.. I think in about 30 minutes |
| 16:32:34 | Nico_P | cool :) |
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| 16:35:34 | chrisjs169 | nice :) |
| 16:37:52 | chrisjs169 | question - i'm trying to make a few config settings to hide some of the items in the root menu. i've already got the menu options working, and the values are properly being changed in the config file, but how do i add the if statements for actually hiding the menus? |
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| 17:22:43 | seani | In the interests of being better informed about the ID3 database, is there any kind of design document on the philosophy/current structure? I've looked at the development information on the main website, and browsed through the database code in the VMWare image, but I'm struggling to get a foot in the door to understand the "start point" |
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| 17:46:52 | webguest50 | hi |
| 17:47:20 | webguest50 | i have a question which may sound stupid but i'm gonna ask it anyway.. |
| 17:47:47 | webguest50 | i have all my music working on my nano 1st gen from itunes but when i add new files they dont work |
| 17:48:17 | webguest50 | could somone tell me where i have to put the music? |
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| 17:49:53 | Nico_P | webguest50: hi, how do you add the files, still with itunes ? |
| 17:50:07 | petur | not very patient... |
| 17:50:12 | chrisjs169 | nope |
| 17:50:15 | Nico_P | wow indeed |
| 17:50:28 | Nico_P | maybe he'll come back |
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| 17:51:06 | webguest01 | hi |
| 17:51:11 | chrisjs169 | webguest01, hi |
| 17:51:13 | webguest01 | any 1 online? |
| 17:51:15 | Nico_P | webguest01: hi |
| 17:51:25 | webguest01 | i just asked a question before |
| 17:51:34 | Nico_P | webguest01: how do you add the files, still with itunes ? |
| 17:51:34 | webguest01 | may sound stupid but... |
| 17:51:39 | webguest01 | na |
| 17:51:49 | webguest01 | i have some from itunes which work now |
| 17:51:55 | webguest01 | but where do i put the new ones |
| 17:51:58 | Nico_P | with the database I assume ? |
| 17:52:00 | webguest01 | thnx guys for the help |
| 17:52:03 | webguest01 | yes |
| 17:52:24 | Nico_P | you can add files wherever you want and they should appear in the database |
| 17:52:26 | webguest01 | i hace the random F002 or smthin itunes folder butu files in there dont work |
| 17:52:37 | webguest01 | well the dont :( |
| 17:52:38 | chrisjs169 | anyone have any tips on where i can find information on showing/hiding items in the root menu via a config setting? (i'm rather sure it's via an if statement, but I don't know what the exact code would be) |
| 17:52:45 | Nico_P | but you can also access them with file browser |
| 17:52:48 | bluebrother | are they from the itunes music store? |
| 17:52:56 | webguest01 | they dont apper when i open the folder |
| 17:53:04 | webguest01 | and they are mp3 |
| 17:53:16 | webguest01 | so it is kind of weird |
| 17:53:21 | bluebrother | check the file type setting |
| 17:53:28 | Nico_P | webguest01: maybe your "show files" settings is incorrect |
| 17:53:30 | webguest01 | under system? |
| 17:53:32 | bluebrother | it should be "supported" or "all" |
| 17:53:39 | webguest01 | thnx guys so much |
| 17:53:43 | webguest01 | i'll see |
| 17:53:50 | bluebrother | no. General / Display or similar |
| 17:54:02 | Nico_P | file view I think |
| 17:54:21 | bluebrother | yep, File View |
| 17:54:24 | Nico_P | general settings > file view > show files |
| 17:54:43 | webguest01 | thnx guys |
| 17:54:46 | webguest01 | u were right |
| 17:55:12 | webguest01 | cia |
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| 17:55:21 | bluebrother | it was set to "playlists"? ;-) |
| 17:55:45 | bluebrother | too late. Why are those people always that impatient? |
| 17:56:11 | Llorean | Time == money? |
| 17:56:18 | chrisjs169 | any tips on my last question? |
| 17:56:48 | Llorean | chrisjs169: I think you'd need to write some custom code, I don't think the menus were designed to have options appear and disappear |
| 17:57:22 | bluebrother | auto-adjusting menus are confusing. Especially for blind ... |
| 17:57:39 | chrisjs169 | Llorean - couldn't it be controlled via an if statement? |
| 17:57:49 | Llorean | chrisjs169: Yes, I imagine it could. |
| 17:58:10 | Llorean | bluebrother: I don't imagine the blind use custom builds much, since most of the changes are to the WPS anyway. |
| 17:58:59 | Llorean | chrisjs169: But it's more or less a case of you writing it yourself, vs someone else writing it for you. |
| 17:59:01 | bluebrother | yep −− I just wanted to point out that (as we have blind users) auto-adjusting stuff is highly unlikely to end up in the core |
| 17:59:17 | Llorean | bluebrother: He maintains a custom build over at anythingbutipod, so I imagine it's just for that. |
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| 17:59:22 | Llorean | It already has a drastically changed main menu |
| 17:59:37 | bluebrother | ah. Never looked for custom builds there |
| 17:59:49 | chrisjs169 | Llorean, correct - i'm trying to add some sort of option to allow users to hide some of those extra menus |
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| 18:00:00 | chrisjs169 | Llorean, I've got most of it ready, i'm just unsure on how to write the if statement |
| 18:00:08 | Llorean | I never really understood most of them. A "Videos" menu vs a "Videos" folder in the root, etc. |
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| 18:01:31 | chrisjs169 | Llorean, I agree - I don't use the Video/Photo/whatever menus either - it's just in the build |
| 18:01:58 | chrisjs169 | Llorean, would it be controlled simply via something like "if (global_settings.[setting] == TRUE)" |
| 18:02:02 | Llorean | chrisjs169: You might want to take a look at how the Radio entry is handled, depending on whether it detects a radio or not. |
| 18:02:11 | chrisjs169 | Llorean, ok |
| 18:02:25 | chrisjs169 | thanks |
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| 18:07:16 | * | austriancoder wishes that he will see nothing red |
| 18:09:11 | rasher | Shiny icons: rasher.dk/rockbox/tango-icons/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/tango-icons/ |
| 18:11:24 | pixelma | austriancoder: why do you include the new language strings for every device? |
| 18:11:27 | Llorean | rasher: The no-phones image links to a with-phones SVG? Is this just a case of "It's easy to fix by turning off a layer" sort of thing? |
| 18:11:43 | DerPapst | rasher: cool think :D |
| 18:12:02 | austriancoder | pixelma: I dont know how to exclude strings... fell free to fix |
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| 18:12:54 | * | petur sees yellow and red.... |
| 18:13:07 | rasher | Llorean: I only have the with-phones svgs, but it should be simple to remove them |
| 18:13:13 | pixelma | austriancoder: you could have had a look at the english.lang and the features.txt it's not that hard... |
| 18:13:25 | Llorean | rasher: Okay, just making sure it wasn't a typo in the links or anything. :) |
| 18:13:34 | austriancoder | petur: next commit fixes red and yellow |
| 18:13:42 | austriancoder | pixelma: okay.. will have a look at it |
| 18:13:58 | rasher | Llorean: Nah, I could've just made only the with-phones image a link, but this was slightly easier |
| 18:14:17 | petur | austriancoder: see also my last change to english.lang |
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| 18:17:41 | Nico_P | austriancoder: in SOURCES I think you should combine the two #ifdefs into one |
| 18:18:32 | Nico_P | wow... long commit mail :p |
| 18:20:00 | austriancoder | pixelma: does this look correct to you? http://www.christian-gmeiner.info/soc/lang_fix.patch |
| 18:20:52 | bluebrother | hah :) seems like caching is working in rbutil now |
| 18:20:56 | Nico_P | austriancoder: looks ok to me |
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| 18:21:58 | pixelma | austriancoder: think so too |
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| 18:22:33 | bluebrother | hmm. A direct link to the build table from the site menu would be nice imo |
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| 18:23:12 | rasher | bluebrother: So rbutilqt has officially superceded rbutil now? |
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| 18:23:42 | rasher | (I saw it was the only thing left for M1) |
| 18:23:48 | bluebrother | well, I think we have all functionality ported. I'd like to rework the talk file generation screen before calling it "complete" |
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| 18:25:16 | Nico_P | austriancoder: firmware/export/linkedlist.h has double the content |
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| 18:25:31 | austriancoder | Nico_P: uuupps |
| 18:25:39 | Nico_P | oh and it's not the only one |
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| 18:25:52 | Nico_P | firmware/export/usb_ch9.h too and maybe others |
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| 18:28:19 | austriancoder | should be fixed now.. dont know how this could happen |
| 18:29:43 | bluebrother | austriancoder: are the changes for the initialization on ipods incorporated in your commit? |
| 18:29:55 | austriancoder | bluebrother: nope... |
| 18:30:04 | austriancoder | bluebrother: feel free to change |
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| 18:30:09 | bluebrother | too bad ... |
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| 18:30:22 | bluebrother | well, I don't know enough about it to do so. Well, yet :) |
| 18:31:24 | austriancoder | linuxstb: add your ipod changes :) |
| 18:32:12 | pixelma | austriancoder: why does your initial commit decrease bin size quite a bit for Ipods? |
| 18:33:00 | austriancoder | pixelma: maybe because I remove some usb init stuff which is not needed for sansas... |
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| 18:35:45 | pixelma | I'm just wondering what that could mean to Ipod owners at the moment and if that's something to be worried about |
| 18:36:31 | austriancoder | pixelma: we will see.. when linuxstb commits the ipod usb stuff |
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| 18:40:14 | seani | Does MikkaPekkarinen wander around here, or am I better off emailing from the Wiki profile (if that's an acceptable practice)? |
| 18:40:41 | Nico_P | austriancoder: the double content is probably because of some bad patching and patch reversing |
| 18:40:55 | austriancoder | Nico_P: ok :) |
| 18:41:08 | Nico_P | I experienced this kind of problem and it gave me serious compiler errors I took some time to figure out :) |
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| 18:41:17 | Nico_P | very frustrating |
| 18:41:32 | * | austriancoder will fix/add full and high speed support in device drivers |
| 18:41:59 | Febs | If anyone is interested, buy.com has the E250 for $50 USD: http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=205562657&adid=17070&dcaid=17070 |
| 18:43:19 | rasher | Febs: gosh, that's cheap |
| 18:44:06 | austriancoder | green :) |
| 18:44:30 | desowin | yay, usb stack commited, congrats austriancoder! :-) |
| 18:44:37 | Febs | I am SO tempted to buy one, but I bought a Gigabeat last night on ebay and I'm not sure how I can justify to my wife why I need 2 more Rockboxable devices. |
| 18:44:46 | Nico_P | austriancoder: does the code compile well when you add the #define HAVE_USBSTACK ? |
| 18:45:06 | Nico_P | Febs: I bought a gigabeat S from toffe82 yesterday ;) |
| 18:45:11 | austriancoder | Nico_P: yes.. also works.. tested on sansa.. but only SETUP packets.. no IN |
| 18:45:25 | Nico_P | austriancoder: does it compile on ipods too ? |
| 18:45:28 | desowin | Febs: one goes to her .... |
| 18:45:31 | * | Llorean wants a Gigabeat S. |
| 18:45:32 | austriancoder | desowin: thanks.. |
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| 18:45:39 | Nico_P | austriancoder: actually you ought to test compile on various targets |
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| 18:46:08 | austriancoder | Nico_P: it should be some usb init stuff needs to be added.. - ping linuxstb |
| 18:46:16 | Febs | desowin: just what I was thinking! "Look dear, I bought you a present so you don't have to carry that big H120 when you go to the gym!" :) |
| 18:46:39 | Llorean | Febs: Sansa's are also more shock resistant, being flash. :) |
| 18:46:49 | Nico_P | austriancoder: I doesn't really matter to me actually... I don't have any targets that require software USB |
| 18:46:58 | Nico_P | or actually my brother's H10 maybe |
| 18:47:03 | austriancoder | :) |
| 18:47:05 | desowin | my E280 is on delivery to me :-) |
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| 18:47:10 | * | austriancoder makes a break |
| 18:49:11 | toffe82 | Llorean: You really want one ? |
| 18:49:26 | bluebrother | seani: look for Slasheri in this channel (see IrcNicks ;-) |
| 18:50:09 | Llorean | toffe82: I've been looking for a 60gb one though. |
| 18:50:37 | pixelma | toffe82: what I wanted to ask... where do you get broken players from? Only from ebay or are there other places too? |
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| 18:50:52 | toffe82 | pixelma: only Ebay |
| 18:50:59 | Slasheri | seani: hi, what would you like to know? |
| 18:51:18 | toffe82 | Llorean: there are not so much s60 actually on Ebay |
| 18:51:23 | Llorean | I know |
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| 18:51:33 | Llorean | I tried to buy one on sale locally, but he withdrew his offer. |
| 18:51:35 | Llorean | :( |
| 18:51:51 | Llorean | There's one on sale locally for $250, but I can find refurbished ones online for $200 right now. |
| 18:51:59 | Llorean | But I'm patient. :) |
| 18:52:24 | toffe82 | Llorean: I always look for cheaper stuff ;) |
| 18:52:25 | pixelma | toffe82: thanks |
| 18:52:53 | Genre9mp3 | here's a little Rockbox tower from Lemnos for anyone interested: http://img411.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0205ly5.jpg |
| 18:53:59 | Llorean | I can *almost* beat that tower with just Rockbox (and Rockboxable) targets in my apartment. I can if you count the iFP. :-P |
| 18:54:10 | Llorean | Is that a SE T600 series phone? |
| 18:54:42 | * | bluebrother jealous ... want more targets |
| 18:55:09 | Genre9mp3 | Llorean: It's a k750i |
| 18:55:19 | Llorean | bluebrother: I actually have 3 Gigabeat F40s that don't belong to me in my apartment right now, as I'm supposed to be installing them for family. |
| 18:55:19 | desowin | I'm just curious, do you actually play music on all those? |
| 18:55:20 | toffe82 | Somebody want a gigabeat V, there is one on Ebay and no bid for the moment |
| 18:55:52 | bluebrother | is that a potential target? |
| 18:56:10 | Llorean | desowin: All of mine, I do except for the Nano |
| 18:56:25 | NHeal | (timeout) niven.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
| 18:57:22 | seani | Slasheri: It's a question of getting started really - what's my most fruitful approach for being able to follow the database code through from the point I select "Database" on the menu to determine which calls are made, which data structures are populated, how they get displayed etc? Asking a lot I realise, but I'd like to be able to get the gist by "dry-running" through it. Is there a block diagram of any kind de |
| 18:57:25 | desowin | when battery runs out you switch the player? ;-) |
| 18:58:51 | Llorean | desowin: H120 is hooked up via optical to the stereo with mostly lossless content on it. Essentially a CD switcher. Gigabeat is populated with music and used when I'm sitting and want a large selection. Sansa when I want a smaller player, and flash. AJBR for trips where I'm not certain I'll get to charge, so I bring several sets of batteries. Nano gets left out in the rain. |
| 18:59:12 | bluebrother | wow ... broken h340 on ebay. That guy destroyed it trying to swap the hard disc :( |
| 18:59:26 | bluebrother | I wonder if it's worth bidding. |
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| 19:00:19 | bluebrother | Domonoky: dominition didn't work :( |
| 19:01:01 | toffe82 | bluebrother: your question for potential target was fir the gigabeat V ? it is the same electronic as the gigabeat S so if it work on the S, it should work on the V |
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| 19:01:25 | bluebrother | ok |
| 19:01:34 | Domonoky | bluebrother: :-) |
| 19:01:50 | bluebrother | but I'm about to finish caching |
| 19:02:09 | Domonoky | nice.. |
| 19:02:27 | Domonoky | ah petur broke the attempt for world domination.. :-) |
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| 19:02:43 | bluebrother | then to restructure the talk window, and afterwards I think we can call it finished. Well, at least the 1st milestone |
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| 19:03:21 | Domonoky | yes.. then the 1st Milestone is reached... an we could put binarys in the wiki.. :-) |
| 19:03:45 | seani | Slasheri: Just noticed the time - gulp - Mrs seani will kill me, I will have catch up later, thanks for responding |
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| 19:04:25 | Nico_P | toffe82: doesn't the V have a better resolution ? |
| 19:04:34 | Llorean | Same resolution, physically larger screen |
| 19:05:01 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Regarding your commit: 1) Tabs; 2) svn pset svn:keywords (see the instructions for adding new files in the UsingSVN wiki page) ; 3) You definitely broke the existing USB detection on the ipods by removing the usb_init_device code - as I mentioned earlier... |
| 19:05:07 | linuxstb | austriancoder: But apart from that, nice commit! ;) |
| 19:05:26 | rasher | bluebrother, Domonoky: Perhaps it's also a time to file RFP (request for packaging) in Debian? |
| 19:05:37 | rasher | (and similar for other distros) |
| 19:05:49 | bluebrother | rasher: maybe ... but I don't know about debian packages. |
| 19:05:53 | Nico_P | oh actually there is a new-gen V out |
| 19:05:58 | Nico_P | with a better resolution |
| 19:06:02 | bluebrother | I'll try to build a fedora package eventually |
| 19:06:18 | rasher | bluebrother: Well, just requesting packaging can be done for everyone - the idea is that some debian dev will pick it up and package it |
| 19:06:27 | Llorean | Is it at "1.0" status yet? |
| 19:06:29 | bluebrother | ah, ok. |
| 19:06:40 | rasher | Well, hopefully at least. |
| 19:07:02 | Domonoky | no... it will reach milestone 1 shortly.. thats not version 1.0... we shoudl do some testing before calling it 1.0.. :-) |
| 19:07:24 | * | Llorean wouldn't mind being able to apt-get install rbutil. :-P |
| 19:07:27 | bluebrother | hmm, Ipod mini with broken display for 30EUR |
| 19:07:28 | rasher | bluebrother: Maybe we could include the .desktop file from FS #7277 ? |
| 19:07:30 | rasher | And icon |
| 19:07:31 | Llorean | One day |
| 19:07:38 | bluebrother | yes, would be nice. |
| 19:08:03 | Nico_P | shouldn't the package be named rockboxutility ? |
| 19:08:09 | Llorean | Since that would, for many players, be nearly as close as possible to being able to apt-get install rockbox. |
| 19:08:13 | Llorean | Probably should be, yes. |
| 19:08:16 | rasher | bluebrother: Perhaps rbutil should be able to detect that it's too far out of date to work? |
| 19:08:22 | bluebrother | but I used the yellow icon fwpatcher uses on windows |
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| 19:09:02 | bluebrother | hmm, ideally we would only add new features and fix bugs but not change existing functionality |
| 19:09:15 | rasher | (saying this because we would eventually end up with an old rbutil in Debian stable) |
| 19:09:32 | bluebrother | you mean "heavily outdated rbutil"? ;-) |
| 19:09:39 | rasher | Exactly |
| 19:09:46 | Domonoky | bluebrother: if there are changes to ipodpatcher or sansapatcher.. we are doomed.. :-) |
| 19:10:06 | Llorean | Does binary rbutil include the bootloaders for *patcher or are they downloaded too? |
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| 19:10:18 | Domonoky | Llorean: they are downloaded.. |
| 19:10:59 | Domonoky | so if there are only changes in the bootloader.. no problem.. changes in the tools.. *bumm* :-) |
| 19:11:10 | linuxstb | austriancoder: 4) firmware/FILES (for building the source tarballs) |
| 19:11:29 | Llorean | Domonoky: We could set up a Rockbox apt repository if people preferred to use it. |
| 19:12:23 | * | Domonoky would more like an updateding mechanism for rbutil in rbutil.. :-) |
| 19:12:35 | bluebrother | ... and yum repo and ebuild overlay ;-) |
| 19:12:35 | Llorean | That would be ideal, of course |
| 19:12:42 | rasher | Domonoky: That won't work. /usr/bin could be mounted read-only |
| 19:13:02 | bluebrother | well, we could use static binaries like on windows. |
| 19:13:04 | rasher | Or rather, rbutil will probably be run by someone who don't have write-access to it |
| 19:13:04 | kk | it'd work if the user had it in /home or a writable /opt |
| 19:13:15 | Domonoky | ah.. how do linux apps do such updateding things? |
| 19:13:18 | rasher | kk: But he won't, if it's installed by the package manager |
| 19:13:23 | bluebrother | and disencourage installing it system-wide |
| 19:13:28 | rasher | Domonoky: They rely on the distro's package manager |
| 19:13:30 | rasher | bluebrother: ew |
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| 19:13:35 | bluebrother | Domonoky: they don't do. The package manager does. |
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| 19:14:11 | Domonoky | ah.. hm.. so we have to find a solution which works on linux /win and mac.. :-) |
| 19:14:21 | Nico_P | what about packaging *patcher separatley and using dependencies |
| 19:14:22 | Nico_P | ? |
| 19:14:42 | bluebrother | Nico_P: it's compiled in directly ... |
| 19:14:47 | rasher | It's not *that* big of a problem, as bluebrother says, it's pretty unlikely that rbutil will suddenly stop working |
| 19:14:52 | Nico_P | bluebrother: does it have to be ? |
| 19:14:55 | rasher | Any given version, that is |
| 19:14:59 | bluebrother | so we would need to make the patchers libs. |
| 19:15:03 | rasher | Nico_P: But if you |
| 19:15:06 | Domonoky | Nico_P: its nicer for error handling.. |
| 19:15:11 | rasher | Nico_P: But if you're on Debian stable, it doesn't matter |
| 19:15:14 | Llorean | And we could put a RButil minimum version file somewhere, and have it check it. |
| 19:15:22 | pixelma | linuxstb: does that mean if people installed any a current Ipod builds, the only way to get a usb connection is putting it into disk mode manually (in case someone asks)? |
| 19:15:28 | bluebrother | well, we could add some section to the info-files that tell which minimum version of rbutil is needed. |
| 19:15:32 | Llorean | If it's below the min version, it gives the user a "Please update, if an update is not available, source is at (blah)" message |
| 19:15:35 | linuxstb | pixelma: Yes |
| 19:15:40 | bluebrother | and leave it up to the user to update |
| 19:15:52 | rasher | Yeah, and avoid as much as possible to break it |
| 19:15:53 | Domonoky | thats a good idea.. |
| 19:16:04 | pixelma | linuxstb: ah, thanks |
| 19:16:05 | bluebrother | for linux I think we can assume that users know how to compile or have someone who can do it for them |
| 19:16:11 | Domonoky | so we only have to add another info file.. :-) |
| 19:16:17 | Llorean | bluebrother: Unless they're on Ubuntu. :-P |
| 19:16:17 | rasher | bluebrother: I think that's a pretty big assumption |
| 19:16:21 | Nico_P | what kind of changes could break rbutil compatibility ? |
| 19:16:24 | bluebrother | I still would like to have a single info file ... |
| 19:16:30 | austriancoder | linuxstb: can you commit the usb init stuff needed for ipods? |
| 19:16:39 | Domonoky | Nico_P: changes in the tools, ie the patchers.. |
| 19:16:44 | `sam` | Llorean, i'm on ubuntu, i can compile :) |
| 19:16:55 | rasher | Domonoky: But the current version should still work just like it does now |
| 19:17:00 | bluebrother | rasher: right, but I think the windows users are more "important" |
| 19:17:05 | linuxstb | austriancoder: 5) What about dr_controller_setup() ? That was part of the old initialisation, but is no longer being compiled (but the old, now unused arcotg_udc.[ch] files are still in SVN). |
| 19:17:08 | Llorean | `sam`: I meant to imply there's a higher percentage of Ubuntu users that can't compile to the usual assumption about linux. |
| 19:17:15 | linuxstb | austriancoder: I'm looking at it now... |
| 19:17:16 | Llorean | `sam`: As I'm an Ubuntu user who can compile too. ;) |
| 19:17:22 | `sam` | Llorean, yeah you're probably right |
| 19:17:23 | rasher | bluebrother: I don't see how this is a linux vs. windows issue at all |
| 19:17:36 | rasher | bluebrother: there are no tradeoffs required for the windows version asfar as I can tell |
| 19:17:44 | Domonoky | rasher, Nico_P: no, as rbutil would download a new bootloader.. but the patcher wouldnt match it.. |
| 19:17:46 | Llorean | I think for the most part we won't break how the "tools" work very often, if ever. |
| 19:17:51 | bluebrother | well, I think we can assume that linux users have far more experience with their os than windows users |
| 19:18:00 | Llorean | Honestly, when was the last time we broke iPodPatcher after we got it working? |
| 19:18:25 | Domonoky | very seldom.. :-) |
| 19:18:46 | Llorean | The recent Ipodpatcher updates have been to include newer bootloaders, rather than functionality changes. |
| 19:18:53 | Llorean | Or to add options like -wfb |
| 19:18:59 | Domonoky | important users for rbutil are windows and mac users (mac user have always problems with unzipping..) :-) |
| 19:19:37 | bluebrother | hehe :) |
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| 19:20:18 | * | Domonoky sees another possibility to break.. fwpatcher replacement.. it downloads the bootloader, but has the md5sums for patched firmwares builtin.. :-) |
| 19:20:43 | bluebrother | well, that could go to another info file ;-) |
| 19:20:49 | Domonoky | hehe |
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| 19:21:16 | Domonoky | about the info files: did someone move my bootloaders-info file to the download server ?? |
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| 19:21:59 | bluebrother | well, IMO rbutil should get tested and stabilized a bit before packages make sense |
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| 19:23:10 | Domonoky | thats true.. lets try to get to milestone 1, publish binarys on the wiki.. and then make a fuss in the forums.. (and hope they test it) :-) |
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| 19:23:19 | bluebrother | yeps. |
| 19:23:40 | bluebrother | and then implement plugins (and put all additional functionality to plugins :) |
| 19:24:10 | Domonoky | :-) |
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| 19:26:27 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Shouldn't executables go on the download server? |
| 19:27:07 | bluebrother | they should. |
| 19:27:19 | Domonoky | linuxstb: yes exes should be on the download server.. but only some people have access to it.. |
| 19:27:40 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Yes, so it may take a few hours for them to appear. Not a big issue IMO... |
| 19:28:17 | bluebrother | how should we number rbutil? "version m1"? |
| 19:28:31 | Llorean | m? |
| 19:28:35 | bluebrother | milestone |
| 19:28:44 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 19:28:45 | bluebrother | m1.0, and with fixes it gets m1.1 |
| 19:29:03 | bluebrother | once we reach release quality we can switch to 1.0 :) |
| 19:29:09 | Llorean | We could do rc1 |
| 19:29:15 | Llorean | Since that's a more familiar terminology? |
| 19:29:32 | Domonoky | how about names.. animals.. *hehe* |
| 19:29:32 | bluebrother | yeah ... but ... *g* |
| 19:29:41 | Nico_P | familiar terminology is better |
| 19:29:42 | Llorean | Friendly Firefly? |
| 19:29:48 | Domonoky | or 3.141... :-) |
| 19:29:53 | Nico_P | hehe :) |
| 19:30:03 | Llorean | Domonoky: Just tack on more digits each time? |
| 19:30:08 | bluebrother | 2\epsilon |
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| 19:30:12 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 19:30:24 | bluebrother | like current LaTeX version |
| 19:30:24 | Llorean | 1+1i, and increase the imaginary part? |
| 19:30:33 | bluebrother | hehe, that's a great idea |
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| 19:30:36 | linuxstb | Whilst it's still under heavy development, you could Just use the SVN revision. |
| 19:30:47 | Domonoky | hehe.. complex version numbers.. thats good :-) |
| 19:30:58 | bluebrother | (0+2i) |
| 19:31:08 | alienbiker99 | is there a way to enable the usb stack on the sansa? |
| 19:31:12 | Llorean | "We don't do version numbers, but you can imagine one if you'd like." |
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| 19:31:19 | Llorean | alienbiker99: It doesn't work yet. |
| 19:31:23 | alienbiker99 | oh ok |
| 19:31:24 | bluebrother | or use flashy names |
| 19:31:24 | khalid | Hello |
| 19:31:31 | Nico_P | alienbiker99: uncomment #define HAVE_USBSTACK |
| 19:31:40 | bluebrother | 1st version is something starting with A. 2nd starts with B ... |
| 19:31:50 | khalid | The manual recover doesn't work on my 30 GB iPod |
| 19:32:00 | alienbiker99 | oh i have to build it to get it to work |
| 19:32:02 | khalid | How can I recover my iPod ? |
| 19:32:08 | Domonoky | or like the Graphiccard manufacturers do it .. version 8800XT... (the number doesnt mean anything) :-) |
| 19:32:26 | bluebrother | they do ... bigger is better! |
| 19:32:32 | bluebrother | well ... sometimes ;-) |
| 19:32:34 | linuxstb | alienbiker99: It doesn't work, even when you enable it... |
| 19:32:41 | Domonoky | yeah.. only sometimes.. :-) |
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| 19:33:04 | Llorean | khalid: If the manual recovery isn't working, this means you aren't quite doing it right. |
| 19:33:04 | stripwax_ | khalid - depends, what does "doesn't work" mean? |
| 19:33:31 | * | Domonoky thinks we shoudl start with version 0 in rbutil.. programmers count from 0... :-) |
| 19:33:38 | khalid | Sorry for my english |
| 19:33:58 | bluebrother | so the letter in front of a is ... space? |
| 19:34:43 | linuxstb | No, ` |
| 19:34:47 | khalid | And I followed the intructions as written, and when I turn on my iPod, it displays "Connect to your computer. Use iTunes to restore" |
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| 19:34:54 | bluebrother | or use hex numbers ... 0x01 :) |
| 19:35:13 | linuxstb | khalid: Is your ipod in disk mode? |
| 19:35:25 | khalid | Yes |
| 19:35:37 | Domonoky | bluebrother: binary.. version 11111011 :-) |
| 19:35:37 | khalid | The black and white "do not disconnect" ? |
| 19:35:49 | bluebrother | rotfl :) |
| 19:35:57 | linuxstb | khalid: What "manual recover" are you using? The IpodManualRestore wiki page? |
| 19:36:12 | khalid | yes |
| 19:37:08 | khalid | linuxstb, is it the bad page |
| 19:37:09 | khalid | ? |
| 19:37:34 | linuxstb | Did you use the correct MBR? i.e. the one for either 512 or 2048 byte sectors, depending on your ipod? |
| 19:38:11 | khalid | Yes, the 2048 MBR |
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| 19:38:17 | Domonoky | bluebrother: maybe we should combine everything for the version number: "friendly firefly, (01101 + i* 101001)" :-) |
| 19:38:19 | khalid | I bought my iPod yesterday |
| 19:38:51 | Llorean | Why did you need to perform a manual restore? |
| 19:39:48 | linuxstb | khalid: Without knowing exactly what you typed, it's hard to know what you did wrong. All I can suggest is trying again. |
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| 19:40:13 | khalid | Because I did a really bad iPodLinux installation |
| 19:41:58 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Why did you just delete arcotg_udc.c ? My commit to fix usb detection on ipods requires it... |
| 19:42:08 | bluebrother | Domonoky: ok, to be more serious again: I just commited the cache stuff. Needs testing (and hopefully I didn't broke anything) |
| 19:42:21 | austriancoder | linuxstb: as drivers/usb/.. is the new place |
| 19:42:29 | austriancoder | linuxstb: add it there |
| 19:42:36 | Domonoky | bluebrother: cool.. |
| 19:42:56 | bluebrother | now rework the talk screen and then make some noise in the forums :) |
| 19:43:02 | linuxstb | austriancoder: Files shouldn't be deleted from SVN. If you wanted it in drivers/usb/ you should have used "svn mv" |
| 19:43:11 | austriancoder | linuxstb: tooo late |
| 19:45:27 | toffe82 | Nico_P: the v30 is the same resolution as the S30 , the screen is just bigger (you can count the pixel on it), the new serie looks much better |
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| 20:18:48 | preglow | well, that was cryptic |
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| 20:20:28 | austriancoder | linuxstb: ping |
| 20:21:12 | linuxstb | Yes? |
| 20:21:17 | austriancoder | linuxstb: why did you restore arcotg_udc? It not needed anymore |
| 20:21:25 | austriancoder | or? |
| 20:21:41 | linuxstb | What did I say 40 minutes ago? |
| 20:22:18 | austriancoder | linuxstb: i should use mv.. okay.. but arcotg_udc.c is not needed its been replaced by arcotg_dcd.c |
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| 20:22:50 | linuxstb | No, " austriancoder: Why did you just delete arcotg_udc.c ? My commit to fix usb detection on ipods requires it..." |
| 20:23:08 | linuxstb | And then you told me to restore it... |
| 20:23:19 | austriancoder | linuxstb: i sayed: toooo late |
| 20:23:23 | austriancoder | not restore it |
| 20:23:42 | pixelma | but if he needs it? |
| 20:23:44 | linuxstb | 19.42.21 # <austriancoder> linuxstb: as drivers/usb/.. is the new place |
| 20:23:44 | linuxstb | 19.42.29 # <austriancoder> linuxstb: add it there |
| 20:23:48 | bluebrother | that sounded pretty much as "too late to mv it", not too late to restore it ... |
| 20:24:02 | linuxstb | And it isn't too late to mv it - I did... |
| 20:24:12 | linuxstb | (svn copy from an old revision) |
| 20:24:16 | austriancoder | linuxstb: with "it" in this context i mean the actual code "DEV_INT |= ...." |
| 20:24:29 | linuxstb | That was hardly clear... |
| 20:25:07 | austriancoder | linuxstb: then I am sorry... |
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| 20:26:06 | linuxstb | But I think it's simpler to just keep the old code as it was until we enable your code. |
| 20:26:45 | saratoga | austriancoder: how close are you to a working Sansa USB mode? |
| 20:26:57 | saratoga | i'm afraid I haven't followed your progress too closely |
| 20:27:02 | austriancoder | linuxstb: okay.. a good point |
| 20:27:59 | austriancoder | saratoga: SETUP packets work.. need to add detection for IN packets and realated stuff... hope we get it soon... at the moment i am fixing some full/high speed problem in drivers |
| 20:28:41 | Domonoky | austriancoder: the tx problem is solved ? |
| 20:28:56 | austriancoder | Domonoky: jep |
| 20:29:09 | Domonoky | nice.. |
| 20:29:56 | amiconn | XavierGr: On your tower, is the left Gigabeat single platter and the right one dual platter? |
| 20:30:25 | austriancoder | time to go.. my girlfriend is waiting.. see ya |
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| 20:39:32 | bluebrother | Domonoky: do you think this config dialog is ok? http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt-config.png |
| 20:40:11 | * | rasher whispers: presets |
| 20:40:26 | Domonoky | bluebrother: yeah, thats good for the first step... |
| 20:40:34 | bluebrother | rasher: yeah ... later ;-) |
| 20:40:56 | bluebrother | I want to first port the existing dialog. Presets for milestone 2 |
| 20:40:58 | Domonoky | (the TTS config has to be extended later for support for festival and the tts scripts) |
| 20:41:00 | rasher | And please tell me that you're going to look for lame in PATH? |
| 20:41:26 | bluebrother | well, this should be done ... I guess it isn't done yet. |
| 20:41:31 | bluebrother | but I haven't checked. |
| 20:41:36 | Domonoky | rasher: at the moment, there is no detection, you just have to enter it.. :-) |
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| 20:50:13 | bluebrother | rasher: just noticed your feed for MajorChanges. Are you parsing the raw page? |
| 20:50:33 | rasher | bluebrother: Yes, so it's somewhat fragile |
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| 20:51:31 | rasher | I'm also not being very clever, so if someone edits an old item, weird things may happen in rss readers |
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| 20:51:58 | bluebrother | ah. But it's really nice to have something like that. |
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| 20:52:29 | rasher | I have added it to ExternalRelatedPages and ohloh's project page |
| 20:52:42 | bluebrother | yeah, found it there ;-) |
| 20:53:05 | rasher | Perhaps it could even be added to the html header so it's shown in the url bar (in firefox) |
| 20:53:55 | rasher | Perhaps it should be moved to rockbox.org though |
| 20:54:20 | bluebrother | having the feed including the icons might also be nice |
| 20:54:59 | | Part Llorean |
| 20:56:07 | rasher | But then people would have to know what they mean, how about simply putting the text associated into the body? |
| 20:56:13 | rasher | New feature: blah |
| 20:56:32 | bluebrother | sounds reasonable. |
| 20:56:51 | Nico_P | couldn't we have something a bit more advanced to post news ? |
| 20:57:13 | Nico_P | we could then include a link to the svn rev log and a more detailed description |
| 20:57:30 | rasher | Having it in the wiki is nice though |
| 20:57:54 | rasher | bluebrother: doing that now |
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| 20:58:08 | Nico_P | it is, but more detail would probably be appreciated |
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| 20:58:35 | Nico_P | anyway, I have to be off, bye |
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| 21:28:48 | fm2 | Hello. I nedd some help with makefile. I want to write a plugin, actually two. There are three src files, two of them have plugin entry points. I've created a subdir in plugins. The makefile can be viewed at http://www.pastebin.ca/672667 |
| 21:29:45 | GodEater_ | I don't see a question... |
| 21:30:00 | fm2 | I get the following err msg: make[3]: *** No rule to make target `/cygdrive/c/work/rockbox/svn/build_h120_sim/apps/plugins/shortcuts/shorcuts_common.o', needed by `/cygdrive/c/work/rockbox/svn/build_h120_sim/apps/plugins/shortcuts_view.rock'. Stop. |
| 21:30:29 | fm2 | GodEater: hi! I'm trying to split the shortcuts plugin into two −− viewer and appender |
| 21:30:56 | GodEater_ | have you added the files to SOURCES ? |
| 21:31:22 | Domonoky | fm2: a typing error in the SOURCES .. the name is "shorcuts_common" missing t ? |
| 21:32:33 | fm2 | Domonoky: ouch! corrected, building... |
| 21:32:45 | GodEater_ | you also appear to have two directories for your files there |
| 21:32:59 | GodEater_ | maybe that's intentional though |
| 21:34:24 | fm2 | GodEater: where? BTW: build went through but I don't see shortcuts_{append,view}.{o,rock} in the output dir :-/ |
| 21:35:10 | fm2 | I copied the reversi folder and edited it a bit. But here I need two output .rock's |
| 21:35:11 | GodEater_ | well your plugin .rock files are ending up in apps plugins |
| 21:35:21 | GodEater_ | apps/plugins |
| 21:35:33 | GodEater_ | and you're building in apps/shortcuts/plugins ? |
| 21:35:47 | fm2 | GodEater: there I don't find them |
| 21:36:01 | fm2 | No, I call make from the top dir (where apps etc are) |
| 21:36:50 | GodEater_ | `/cygdrive/c/work/rockbox/svn/build_h120_sim/apps/plugins/shortcuts_view.rock' <−− from your message above |
| 21:36:54 | GodEater_ | that's where they're going |
| 21:37:00 | fm2 | Ah, sorry, I now have many compile errors, have to iron them out first |
| 21:37:19 | fm2 | What went through was the core RB |
| 21:45:33 | XavierGr | amiconn: the black one is Genre9mp3's F20 (one platter) and the silver is my F40 (dual platter). The size difference is quite big. |
| 21:45:52 | fm2 | Is there a make target to build only plugins? |
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| 21:47:50 | XavierGr | make rock? |
| 21:47:56 | rasher | not war |
| 21:48:07 | XavierGr | lol |
| 21:48:10 | bluebrother | *g* |
| 21:48:16 | bluebrother | and how about love? *fg* |
| 21:49:13 | bluebrother | "make help" doesn't show anything that could match ... |
| 21:50:04 | amiconn | XavierGr: Yes, as I thought. Should be 3..4 mm difference in thickness |
| 21:59:27 | preglow | where is this tower? |
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| 22:00:54 | pixelma | see logs at 18:52 |
| 22:01:05 | fm2 | I now get err msgs from the linker: http://www.pastebin.ca/672701 |
| 22:01:42 | fm2 | What did I miss? Some header or linker option? |
| 22:01:44 | linuxstb | Have you defined memset/memcpy? |
| 22:02:13 | fm2 | linuxstb: ah, you mean redirect them to rb? Is there a macro? |
| 22:02:43 | fm2 | In the .h file I have extern struct plugin_api* rb; |
| 22:02:50 | fm2 | MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS(rb); |
| 22:03:18 | linuxstb | MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS(rb); generates C code - it should be in a .c file, not .h. |
| 22:03:53 | linuxstb | I think that's why you've got the duplicate definitions. |
| 22:05:04 | fm2 | linuxstb: oh, I thought it just spits out some #define's Trying |
| 22:05:18 | linuxstb | You can see what it does in apps/plugin.h (at the end) |
| 22:05:46 | bluebrother | Domonoky: what is this setSupportedEnc / getSupportedEnd etc. for? |
| 22:06:03 | fm2 | linuxstb: hrm... I moved the MEM_... to the .c files but still get same errors |
| 22:06:29 | linuxstb | You can't include the macro in both .c files - that's the same thing... |
| 22:06:31 | bluebrother | isn't talkfile.cpp relying on the set information anyway? |
| 22:07:00 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:07:04 | Domonoky | bluebrother: its from the time, where the configuration (whats now in the ini file) was hardcoded in talkfile.cpp |
| 22:07:13 | fm2 | linuxstb: should I include it in just one .c? E.g. in _common? |
| 22:07:21 | linuxstb | fm2: Can't you just call rb->memset() and rb->memcpy() directly? |
| 22:07:48 | linuxstb | Or are you using the macro to keep gcc happy? |
| 22:08:01 | fm2 | linuxstb: latter |
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| 22:08:42 | linuxstb | Then yes, just including it in one .c file should be enough. |
| 22:08:47 | bluebrother | ah, so it's some old cruft. |
| 22:08:48 | fm2 | I think these are calls generated by gcc. In my code, all calls are done via rb-> |
| 22:09:24 | Domonoky | bluebrother: yes.. could need some clean up.. feel free to do it.. :-) |
| 22:10:41 | bluebrother | hmm ... not sure if I'm motivated enough ;-) |
| 22:11:07 | * | bluebrother phone |
| 22:11:17 | Domonoky | you can also just port the config screen.. and i will fix it, when i find time.. |
| 22:13:16 | fm2 | A bit better but still... |
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| 22:15:10 | fm2 | test: web irc |
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| 22:15:41 | Domonoky | fm2 pong.. |
| 22:15:45 | fm2 | I get: ... uts/shortcuts_view.c:45: multiple definition of `___header' |
| 22:16:12 | fm2 | what header? I'm confused |
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| 22:16:59 | Domonoky | fm2 is at line 45 the plugin entry point ? ..or the another MACRO ? |
| 22:17:33 | fm2 | Domonoky: 45: bool exists(char* filename) { (i.e. it's a func definition) |
| 22:18:42 | fm2 | Here: http://www.pastebin.ca/672717 |
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| 22:20:06 | amiconn | fm2: Does shortcuts.h include stdbool.h ? |
| 22:20:13 | amiconn | bool is not an intrinsic type |
| 22:20:41 | fm2 | amiconn: no, should it? |
| 22:20:59 | amiconn | Yes, or the .c code should |
| 22:21:05 | fm2 | yes, but I thought plugins.h does include all that's needed |
| 22:21:12 | Domonoky | amiconn: shouldnt you get this with plugins.h ? |
| 22:21:39 | amiconn | Ah, so shortcuts.h *does* include stdbool.h (indirectly) |
| 22:21:47 | amiconn | ? |
| 22:22:28 | fm2 | I've included plugin.h |
| 22:22:57 | fm2 | including stdbool.h didn't help |
| 22:24:13 | fm2 | Anyway, I have to leave soon. Should I post a patch? How can I include new files into the patch? |
| 22:24:30 | fm2 | ...and delete another file? |
| 22:24:47 | fm2 | I moved shortcuts.c to a subdir |
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| 22:25:39 | Domonoky | fm2: if you worked with svn you can "add" the files, and then svn diff will include it in the patch.. |
| 22:26:10 | Domonoky | the deleting and moving should also be done with svn.. only then it gets into the patch... |
| 22:26:32 | Domonoky | all this is only locally, as long as you dont "commit" (if you could) :-) |
| 22:27:37 | fm2 | Domonoky: thanks! |
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| 22:30:21 | Soap | amiconn: I believe toffe82 said that the black gigabeat F series only came in single platter versions. |
| 22:31:09 | toffe82 | Soap: What ? :) |
| 22:31:31 | Soap | I thought there were no black F40/F60s. Does my memory fail me? |
| 22:32:21 | toffe82 | Soap:you are right, I never see one, did you find one ? |
| 22:32:37 | Soap | nope |
| 22:33:59 | toffe82 | check here you have all the color : http://gigabeatwiki.matritic.net/index.php?gigabeatF |
| 22:34:59 | toffe82 | or translated , it is better : http://www.worldlingo.com/S1790.5/translation?wl_srclang=ja&wl_trglang=en&wl_url=http://gigabeatwiki.matritic.net/index.php?gigabeatF |
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| 22:54:35 | XavierGr | I was wrong the command was make rocks (instead of make rock) and it isnt on make help |
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| 23:42:36 | EnterUserName | Hey |
| 23:42:44 | EnterUserName | is San disk helping you guys support there firmware? |
| 23:42:46 | EnterUserName | erk your firmwarE? |
| 23:43:00 | EnterUserName | I saw an article saying they contacted this community |
| 23:44:16 | bluebrother | not really |
| 23:44:19 | EnterUserName | me> Hey |
| 23:44:22 | EnterUserName | erk |
| 23:44:24 | EnterUserName | check this link |
| 23:44:29 | bluebrother | they donated one or two devices. |
| 23:44:34 | EnterUserName | oh |
| 23:44:45 | EnterUserName | there's a report on anythingbutipod that they wanted u to help |
| 23:44:48 | EnterUserName | <shrug> |
| 23:44:53 | bluebrother | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html |
| 23:45:12 | * | amiconn hrmphs |
| 23:45:24 | EnterUserName | I had a problem with my sandisk where if i plug the usb in while it turns off |
| 23:45:38 | EnterUserName | while its turned off... the original firmware boots but windows says can not mount device |
| 23:45:52 | EnterUserName | it has to be turned on and in the original firmware before i can plug the usb cable in.. |
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| 23:48:41 | EnterUserName | Does anyone know if thats normal? |
| 23:50:51 | linuxstb | EnterUserName: I don't think so - that's how I've seen people recommend you enter USB mode on the Sansa... |
| 23:51:12 | EnterUserName | So u should be able to turn it off and just plug the usb cord |
| 23:51:14 | EnterUserName | and it'll work? |
| 23:51:24 | linuxstb | amiconn: Why the hrmph? |
| 23:52:21 | Vortex375 | EnterUserName: it's supposed to work that way, however I have heard of some other people with your problem |
| 23:52:31 | EnterUserName | its also not charigng properly |
| 23:52:36 | * | amiconn wanted to combine parts of 2 defective Ondios into one working Ondio |
| 23:52:42 | EnterUserName | i uninstalled rockbox.. and the usb problem went away |
| 23:52:47 | EnterUserName | but looks like the charging problem didnt |
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| 23:53:12 | amiconn | But I didn't manage to do that. Can't get the darn LTC3440 to behave, and obviously destroyed the tuner board while swapping the LCDs |
| 23:53:36 | linuxstb | Ouch... |
| 23:53:48 | Vortex375 | EnterUserName: maybe your pc has some problems with usb; rockbox doesn't affect charging in the Original Firmware in any way |
| 23:53:51 | EnterUserName | Vortex375: it might be a windows/mac os x problem as with linux its fine. |
| 23:54:01 | EnterUserName | (Mounting) problem |
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| 23:55:15 | linuxstb | It's probably related to the usb detection in the bootloader. Sounds like it upsets Windows/Mac OS X. |
| 23:56:56 | amiconn | The windows usb stack is rather forgiving |
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| 23:58:52 | lazka | my sansa only works on one of my 6 USB ports... so the sansa usb stack could be a prob too ;) |
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