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| 00:04:12 | linuxstb | fm2: There's no PLUGIN_HEADER macro in shortcuts_append.c (I removed it from shortcuts.h and put it in view but forgot to put it in append) |
| 00:04:17 | linuxstb | Oops, too late... |
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| 00:09:27 | preglow | hrm, i'm not getting commit mails |
| 00:10:08 | * | linuxstb just accidentally formatted his 80GB gigabeat... |
| 00:10:33 | pixelma | maybe related to the server problem earlier? Commits didn't show up on the frontpage too... |
| 00:10:44 | linuxstb | preglow: No, I've had none for the last 11 hours |
| 00:12:10 | * | pixelma didn't have any emails at all for about the same time :\ |
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| 00:13:04 | preglow | i wonder why crossfade and crossfeed is put in the same item in featurecomparison |
| 00:13:07 | preglow | they're not related at all |
| 00:13:31 | linuxstb | preglow: It's a wiki ;) |
| 00:13:48 | * | bluebrother is missing some commit mails too |
| 00:14:08 | preglow | i'd just remove crossfeed altogether, i doubt we'll ever see a firmware that comes with that |
| 00:14:23 | linuxstb | Well, they wouldn't call it something that dull... |
| 00:14:48 | linuxstb | And will Rockbox ever have "Proprietory DSP effects" ? |
| 00:15:00 | preglow | well, no, they're proprietary... |
| 00:15:09 | rasher | linuxstb: It's something to alert users to, that Rockbox doesn't have |
| 00:15:22 | preglow | anyway, i'll remove crossfeed, anyone against? |
| 00:15:29 | linuxstb | Maybe change that line to "DSP effects", and put crossfeed in there for Rockbox? |
| 00:16:15 | preglow | it's not really the same as srs wow or the other stuff |
| 00:16:20 | preglow | people might think we're doing something like it |
| 00:16:48 | linuxstb | Hmm, OK... |
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| 00:54:48 | rasher | linuxstb: any reason not to delete the Harry Potter fonts from the tracker? We clearly don't have permission to distribute them |
| 00:55:30 | linuxstb | I was hoping the poster would attempt to get permission, but looks like he isn't... |
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| 00:56:04 | rasher | I'll remove it and put a note that he should get permission if he wants to keep them in the tracker |
| 00:56:49 | linuxstb | Do you mean "close", or do you have special removal powers? |
| 00:57:08 | rasher | We can remove the file and leave it at that? |
| 00:57:11 | rasher | Is what I meant |
| 00:57:18 | rasher | Probably close it as well |
| 00:57:54 | rasher | We should remove the file at any rate |
| 00:58:04 | linuxstb | Yes, sounds the right thing to me. |
| 00:58:11 | rasher | Close or not? |
| 00:58:12 | linuxstb | I didn't realise we could remove files... |
| 00:58:18 | linuxstb | Yes, close as rejected. |
| 00:58:26 | rasher | Will do. |
| 00:59:03 | rasher | Looks like I can't close and delete the file in one action |
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| 01:10:59 | * | bluebrother committed the new talk file dialog |
| 01:12:25 | bluebrother | let's see what I broke with this change ... |
| 01:12:39 | rasher | JdGordon: Did you see my attempts at an usb icon? |
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| 01:18:37 | fxb | http://paste.felixbruns.de/26 :) my usb icon |
| 01:19:24 | fxb | http://paste.felixbruns.de/27 and firewire. |
| 01:19:52 | bluebrother | nice. |
| 01:20:13 | rasher | Not exactly 6x7 |
| 01:20:21 | bluebrother | but I'm not sure if I'd prefer a 90 degree rotated usb icon ... |
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| 01:21:29 | JdGordon | rasher: no, where is it? |
| 01:21:48 | rasher | JdGordon: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/icons-6x7/ |
| 01:21:56 | rasher | Bottom row |
| 01:22:30 | rasher | Two of them are the same by accident.. And then there's the whole mono/stereo fiasco |
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| 01:23:21 | JdGordon | rasher: hmm they could work :) |
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| 01:24:18 | rasher | I'm not really happy with any of them, but I think it's the best I can do |
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| 01:24:59 | TOGGI3 | Hello everyone |
| 01:25:27 | petur | hi |
| 01:27:42 | bluebrother | ho |
| 01:27:59 | TOGGI3 | I was just wondering to anyone it might concern/interest, I have Samsung YH-820 player here, and I used to own an H320, I've been reading logs and messages which hint at a port for the YH-820 |
| 01:28:07 | TOGGI3 | anyone happen to know where that is development wise? |
| 01:28:22 | bluebrother | there is no development for that player. |
| 01:28:37 | bluebrother | you can check the New Ports forums if there is a thread about it. |
| 01:28:46 | TOGGI3 | ah, too bad, I miss rockbox so after losing my h320 :D |
| 01:28:59 | bluebrother | well, why'd you loose the h300? |
| 01:29:02 | bluebrother | ;-) |
| 01:29:10 | TOGGI3 | fried one day |
| 01:29:19 | rasher | JdGordon: I changed one of the icons to look like the usb logo (as much as possible) |
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| 01:29:33 | bluebrother | too bad. I hope my h120 will live a looong time :) |
| 01:29:43 | rasher | JdGordon: Connection1 |
| 01:30:10 | JdGordon | thats good |
| 01:30:28 | rasher | Probably best of them, yeah |
| 01:30:43 | rasher | fxb: Thanks for the inspiration |
| 01:31:21 | TOGGI3 | well for what its worth to those involved, thankyou each and every one of you, I love rockbox alot and will probably end up buying another player that supports it ;D |
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| 01:35:30 | pixelma | there is a thread in the new ports forum about this player but rather short... |
| 01:36:39 | bluebrother | too bad, he already left |
| 01:38:58 | pixelma | JdGordon: what do you need this icon for? I'm asking because there already is a usb plug alike icon that's used in the status bar... |
| 01:39:40 | bluebrother | let me guess ... it's an icon for the usb debug menu entry? |
| 01:41:02 | JdGordon | icon for the upcoming usb settings |
| 01:41:10 | JdGordon | the statusbar one is the wrong size |
| 01:41:16 | bluebrother | what settings are needed for usb? |
| 01:42:40 | JdGordon | PP targets will have at least 2 settings |
| 01:42:42 | * | JdGordon goned |
| 01:42:44 | * | rasher gives the Afrikaans, Bulgarian, Romanian, Slovak and Turkish translations a very stern look |
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| 01:43:11 | * | bluebrother wondered why JdGordon didn't tell what kind of settings |
| 01:43:29 | rasher | Probably something related to what happens when you plug usb? |
| 01:43:58 | bluebrother | well, that was discussed for other players as well −− usb charging :) |
| 01:44:39 | bluebrother | and I still think using the hold key to disable disc mode (and use charging only) would be a good choice. |
| 01:44:43 | petur | bluebrother: host/device and device type? |
| 01:45:12 | bluebrother | device type? What device would you like the player to act? UMS? |
| 01:45:25 | rasher | Soundcard! |
| 01:45:27 | petur | UMS/serial/... |
| 01:45:29 | * | bluebrother wonders which average user would need anything else |
| 01:45:44 | petur | serial would be nice for debugging |
| 01:45:47 | bluebrother | serial might be nice for debugging :) |
| 01:45:55 | bluebrother | petur: beat me :) |
| 01:46:03 | petur | *bang* |
| 01:46:12 | * | bluebrother falls to floor |
| 01:46:23 | * | petur didn't beat that hard... |
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| 01:51:40 | Soap | Llorean, bluebrother, Febs: Can't we just shit-can the "3D racing-game" thread? It is getting more painful by the minute. It is not as if there is any archival value to it. |
| 01:52:16 | bluebrother | Soap: I don't think I can delete that thread ... |
| 01:52:22 | Soap | and while on the subject of that thread... Below cocobomb's photo... what is a "hedgehod"? |
| 01:53:03 | Soap | bluebrother: you can move it to trash... |
| 01:53:15 | bluebrother | look here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hedgehog |
| 01:53:40 | Soap | but I wasn't proposing to do it personally - I was soliciting opinions. |
| 01:53:51 | Soap | yea, I know what a hedgehoG is. ;) |
| 01:54:13 | * | bluebrother had to look it up first |
| 01:54:41 | Soap | I was refering to his hedgehoD |
| 01:55:10 | Nimdae | 3d racing thread? i have to see this... |
| 01:55:31 | rasher | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12380.0 |
| 01:55:37 | Soap | no. You really don't. :( |
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| 01:55:51 | bluebrother | I'd vote for locking that thread −− it doesn't have any real purpose anymore ... |
| 01:56:05 | scorche | hrm...so...who is taking bets for the banning on pink floyd? |
| 01:56:19 | bluebrother | but I'm off for sleep now. Gotten late with my recent rbutil work |
| 01:56:21 | Soap | I don't think a seasoned troll could be more successful at wasting time and bringing out the testy side in people. |
| 01:57:01 | Nimdae | Soap: too late |
| 01:57:08 | Nimdae | actually, it's a good ending to my work day |
| 01:57:41 | * | petur wonders if he could find two more commits to make the build table green |
| 01:57:50 | Soap | so happy with rbutil on QT. Now I didn't install all those libraries in vain. It felt so dirty to install them all just to make QTscrobbler. |
| 01:58:02 | Nimdae | petur: just update some comments ;) |
| 01:58:13 | rasher | petur: Code police! |
| 01:58:30 | rasher | (the perfect "sneak something under the radar" commit message) |
| 01:58:31 | Soap | you could just commit a 3D racing game and Quake 4. |
| 01:58:35 | petur | good idea, that looks good on ohloh too (% comments) |
| 01:58:36 | Nimdae | then i'll download the source, build it, and be happy i have a build from an all green table |
| 01:58:40 | Soap | I know you have been holding back on them. |
| 01:58:58 | rasher | Or a port of firefox (there was even a feature request for it!) |
| 01:59:31 | * | bluebrother really wonders how ohloh calculates that comment ratio for me ... |
| 01:59:34 | petur | pdf viewer? |
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| 02:01:20 | rasher | Oh dear, I now have "visual basic" on my ohloh profile. UNCLEAN |
| 02:01:54 | petur | hahaha |
| 02:02:17 | Nimdae | petur: btw...mahna mahna |
| 02:02:23 | petur | yes yes |
| 02:02:30 | fxb | rasher: /me thanks google for the inspiration ;) |
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| 02:04:57 | Nimdae | what's a hedgehod? |
| 02:05:44 | * | bluebrother notices that the initial commit of rbutilqt was 25th Jul −− so it's only about a month in development |
| 02:05:46 | Nimdae | aww |
| 02:05:53 | Nimdae | the 3d racing thread got locked :( |
| 02:06:14 | Nimdae | i logged in to the forum for the first time in forever just to respond to it |
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| 02:34:00 | rasher | So Llorean gave up on that gigabeat owner? That's no way to win a bet! |
| 02:34:15 | rasher | Or lose one, I forget who bet on what |
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| 03:07:40 | chrisjs169 | what file do I need to include to get rid of a global_settings is not defined error? |
| 03:08:55 | * | Nico_P got his hands on an iPod 3G and installed rockbox on it with rbutilqt... a breeze |
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| 03:26:28 | Nico_P | am I the only one not getting the SVN commit emails ? |
| 03:29:32 | rasher | Nope. Seems they are broken, possibly due to a server upgrade earlier. |
| 03:30:03 | Nimdae | there's svn commit emails? |
| 03:30:43 | rasher | Nimdae: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/ see rockbox-cvs |
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| 03:32:00 | chuy_max | hi, I've tried ipodlinux in the past, but mp3 playback was terrible, does rockbox mp3 codecs work well in ipods? |
| 03:32:49 | Nimdae | chuy_max: i don't have a problem with it |
| 03:33:04 | Nimdae | of course, rockbox is a dap firmware, not a port of linux |
| 03:34:07 | chuy_max | Nimdae, what is dap firmware? |
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| 03:42:16 | Nimdae | chuy_max: digital audio player firmware |
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| 03:42:34 | Nimdae | meaning it is designed specifically to play mp3s and whatnot |
| 03:43:42 | chuy_max | I suppose that was the problem with ipodlinux, mp3s lag because of the overhead |
| 03:43:55 | Nimdae | yeah, it's playing on top of a fully OS ;) |
| 03:44:05 | Nimdae | on a slow cpu |
| 03:45:46 | Tracy | can rockbox enable an ipod mini to work on rhapsody? |
| 03:46:00 | Nimdae | in what way? |
| 03:46:13 | Tracy | sorry, with rhapsody to go |
| 03:46:37 | Nimdae | i think it uses DRM'ed files...if it does, no, it won't work |
| 03:46:55 | Tracy | ok. that is what i figured. Thanks Nimdae. :) |
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| 03:48:31 | Nimdae | hopefully after this restore, the ipodflasher thingy will detect my ipod |
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| 03:51:21 | Cruleworld | I was wondering do the sponsoring mirroirs have to build the builds on the server? |
| 03:52:45 | Cruleworld | Hello? |
| 03:52:50 | chrisjs169 | Hello? |
| 03:52:57 | MyAdler | hi! |
| 03:53:00 | chrisjs169 | sponsoring mirrors? |
| 03:53:34 | Cruleworld | yeah |
| 03:53:54 | Cruleworld | "007-06-20: added download mirrors, thanks to some new sponsors" |
| 03:54:22 | chrisjs169 | i don't think they have to build them |
| 03:54:34 | chrisjs169 | all the builds are done via the server farm AFAIK |
| 03:54:44 | rasher | Correct |
| 03:54:51 | chrisjs169 | *build farm |
| 03:54:56 | rasher | The files are provided through rsync I believe |
| 03:55:13 | Cruleworld | so does the mirroir have to build it? |
| 03:55:22 | Cruleworld | cause if not i'd be willing to mirroir |
| 03:55:27 | chrisjs169 | "i don't think they have to build them" |
| 03:55:37 | chrisjs169 | do you have the bandwidth to handle it? |
| 03:56:12 | Cruleworld | Well then i own a small hosting service that'd love to mirror for Rockbox. |
| 03:56:35 | Cruleworld | i have Terabytes of bandwidth |
| 03:56:47 | Nimdae | the build farm is separate |
| 03:57:52 | Cruleworld | Who do i talk to about setting up a mirror? |
| 03:57:55 | chrisjs169 | Cruleworld, so do I, but it also depends on connection speed/etc |
| 03:58:11 | Cruleworld | it's 30GBit |
| 03:58:32 | Nimdae | wow, that's a lot |
| 03:58:50 | * | chrisjs169 wonders how it's connected to the 'net |
| 03:59:01 | Cruleworld | i pay for hosting |
| 03:59:16 | Nimdae | well, company i use to work for had over 30gbit before i left, it was all in 1 gige connections |
| 03:59:25 | chrisjs169 | let me rephrase - is there an ip (or domain) to try tracerouting? |
| 03:59:55 | Cruleworld | I don't have a decticated server |
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| 04:00:35 | chrisjs169 | what's a domain that's on the server? |
| 04:01:01 | scorche | Cruleworld: i believe we are quite good for the moment on hosting...thanks though |
| 04:01:04 | Cruleworld | there are over 80 sitews on the server |
| 04:01:15 | Cruleworld | the url it woudl be would be tmohost |
| 04:01:26 | Cruleworld | *tmohost.com |
| 04:01:44 | chrisjs169 | hmm - |
| 04:01:46 | rasher | Cruleworld: talk to Bagder |
| 04:02:12 | rasher | Cruleworld: or send him an email. DanielStenberg in the wiki |
| 04:02:21 | chrisjs169 | after hop 7 on my computer (lxa.oneandone.com) i don't get any replies |
| 04:02:50 | Nimdae | probably filtered |
| 04:03:02 | chrisjs169 | possibly/probably |
| 04:03:07 | Cruleworld | well I GTG |
| 04:03:15 | Cruleworld | thanks for the info guys |
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| 04:07:24 | Nimdae | heh, reseller of a reseller...i'm glad i don't work in the hosting business anymore |
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| 04:12:04 | Nimdae | i'm gonna try out the experimental usb and watch it fail ;) |
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| 04:21:28 | LinkinXp | hello! |
| 04:21:35 | Nimdae | yo |
| 04:21:43 | LinkinXp | is USB support by rockbox? |
| 04:21:56 | Nimdae | you mean in rockbox? |
| 04:22:00 | LinkinXp | yeap |
| 04:22:08 | Nimdae | experimentally |
| 04:22:20 | Nimdae | by default it only detects it on most devices |
| 04:22:26 | LinkinXp | so u dont need the other Firmware i mean the original one |
| 04:22:30 | Nimdae | i think some devices it works, but i only have experience with the ipod |
| 04:22:39 | LinkinXp | i have a SAnsa sandisk |
| 04:22:45 | LinkinXp | e250 |
| 04:22:49 | Nimdae | i couldn't tell you then |
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| 04:23:18 | Nimdae | i'm about to see if it works on ipod |
| 04:23:27 | LinkinXp | ok |
| 04:23:44 | LinkinXp | im gonna put he new firmware |
| 04:23:45 | LinkinXp | :D |
| 04:24:17 | Nimdae | i just built a new firmware with usb enabled |
| 04:24:35 | Nimdae | well, it detected a connection, but didn't reboot |
| 04:24:51 | Nimdae | but my cable is being flaky so i don't know if it's working or not |
| 04:24:56 | rasher | LinkinXp: Status on Sansa is the same as on ipods and Iriver H10: currently Rockbox can only detect a connection and reboot into the OF. As Nimdae says, work is ongoing to extend this to proper USB support |
| 04:26:10 | LinkinXp | hoo |
| 04:26:11 | LinkinXp | thanks |
| 04:26:12 | LinkinXp | ok |
| 04:26:44 | LinkinXp | it charge the battery |
| 04:26:54 | Nimdae | well, it detects connectoin, and windows detects the ipod being connected, but it's like it's not able to communicate...when i disconnect it, windows detects it being disconnected and rockbox goes back to normal |
| 04:26:59 | Nimdae | i'd say that's progress |
| 04:27:06 | LinkinXp | well yea |
| 04:27:19 | LinkinXp | i git the USB DEVICE NOT RECOGNIZED error |
| 04:27:23 | LinkinXp | got* |
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| 04:27:34 | Nimdae | LinkinXp: on the ipod (and i'm sure the sansa), there's a key you can hold during connection to leave it in rockbox so you can play and charge |
| 04:28:01 | LinkinXp | play music? |
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| 04:28:18 | Nimdae | yeah |
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| 04:28:26 | Nimdae | ooo...it detects it as a mass storage device |
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| 04:28:45 | rasher | Nimdae: I believe right now the usb support only supports the connection setup - no actual transfers |
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| 04:29:00 | Nimdae | well, i can confirm it works ;) |
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| 04:29:21 | LinkinXp | well really i dont need that! i just that mmm if rockbox do the RIGHT conecction trough USB u dont need the Original Firmware |
| 04:29:22 | LinkinXp | :D |
| 04:29:39 | Nimdae | yeah |
| 04:29:46 | Nimdae | it's definately headed in the right direction |
| 04:29:51 | LinkinXp | yeap |
| 04:30:10 | Nimdae | the only thing that bothers me is when it goes into usb mode (in rockbox in this case), i won't be able to, say, run the clock app |
| 04:30:21 | LinkinXp | how much space has the original Firmware? |
| 04:30:30 | LinkinXp | Nimdae: hoo |
| 04:30:32 | LinkinXp | no |
| 04:31:10 | Nimdae | sec, lemme reboot to disk mode |
| 04:31:17 | LinkinXp | okey |
| 04:31:24 | LinkinXp | and MICROSD is OK? |
| 04:31:35 | LinkinXp | cause mine is still Virgen xd |
| 04:31:51 | Nimdae | mine is still an ipod ;) no expansion |
| 04:32:27 | Nimdae | apple firmware is 28mb |
| 04:32:30 | rasher | LinkinXp: Rockbox even supports microSDHC |
| 04:32:35 | Nimdae | my .rockbox directory is 36mb |
| 04:32:38 | Nimdae | oops |
| 04:32:39 | LinkinXp | rasher: thats nice! |
| 04:32:43 | LinkinXp | Nimdae: WOW |
| 04:32:44 | LinkinXp | so much |
| 04:32:45 | LinkinXp | ajjajaj |
| 04:32:54 | LinkinXp | Nimdae: in IPOD |
| 04:33:00 | LinkinXp | is different in SANSA? |
| 04:33:03 | LinkinXp | the size? |
| 04:33:15 | LinkinXp | mine is 4.54mB |
| 04:33:17 | Nimdae | naa, i have a bunch of themes and stuff |
| 04:33:21 | LinkinXp | hoo |
| 04:33:44 | Nimdae | the rockbox i just built without the new usb is 6mb |
| 04:33:50 | Soap | apple firmware is 28MB? (I assume you mean B as in bytes, not b as in bits) |
| 04:33:54 | LinkinXp | i need to buy a MIcRoSD hey rasher whats the diference? between MIcroSd and microsdhc |
| 04:34:02 | Nimdae | yes, bytes |
| 04:34:17 | LinkinXp | Nimdae: what? |
| 04:34:22 | LinkinXp | Nimdae: new usb? |
| 04:34:24 | iamben | LinkinXp: 4gb and above are microsd "high capacity" |
| 04:34:28 | Nimdae | that's according to right clicking the ipod_control dir and selecting properties |
| 04:34:31 | LinkinXp | isnt include in the latest firmware? |
| 04:34:39 | LinkinXp | iamben: mmmmm ok thanks |
| 04:34:45 | Soap | Nimdae: that's your itunes database |
| 04:34:49 | Nimdae | LinkinXp: i was testing the new usb functionality |
| 04:34:49 | scorche | LinkinXp: usb isnt ready yet |
| 04:35:03 | LinkinXp | scorche: yea i know its just charge the battery |
| 04:35:03 | Nimdae | Soap: it builds a big db stock? because i just reloaded it through itunes |
| 04:35:27 | scorche | it has charged the battery for a long time |
| 04:35:37 | Soap | mine is 25MB right now and I only have one album in there (for battery_bench comparisons) |
| 04:35:38 | LinkinXp | scorche: jajajaj im new on rockbox |
| 04:35:39 | LinkinXp | :P |
| 04:35:51 | Nimdae | weird |
| 04:36:09 | Nimdae | i didn't bother to check if the reload put in some music for me |
| 04:36:12 | Nimdae | oh well |
| 04:36:17 | * | Nimdae hits delete |
| 04:36:20 | Soap | mind you I've taken things on and off in the past, but the firmware is in the firmware partition, not in ipod_control |
| 04:36:38 | Nimdae | hmm |
| 04:36:50 | Nimdae | well, i just freed up 28 mb ;) |
| 04:37:11 | Nimdae | i should really start fresh on rockbox |
| 04:37:21 | LinkinXp | freed (PAST OF) free? |
| 04:37:33 | Nimdae | yeah |
| 04:37:38 | LinkinXp | ok im just learning |
| 04:37:39 | LinkinXp | :) |
| 04:37:53 | Nimdae | 11.5 mb in the wps directory, heh |
| 04:38:10 | LinkinXp | what u have therE? |
| 04:38:12 | LinkinXp | a NUKE? |
| 04:38:14 | LinkinXp | lol |
| 04:38:30 | Nimdae | i installed a bunch looking for something that i'd like |
| 04:38:37 | Nimdae | ended up making my own in the end and haven't changed since |
| 04:38:53 | LinkinXp | is it hard to make one? |
| 04:39:05 | Nimdae | not really |
| 04:39:58 | LinkinXp | u can customize |
| 04:40:00 | LinkinXp | everything? |
| 04:40:04 | Nimdae | a lot of it |
| 04:40:21 | Nimdae | oh yeah, i made 2 themes, one i don't use |
| 04:40:28 | Nimdae | i should update my current theme and upload it |
| 04:40:53 | LinkinXp | im gonna give it a try |
| 04:40:56 | LinkinXp | to the TUTO |
| 04:40:56 | LinkinXp | later |
| 04:41:03 | Nimdae | take care |
| 04:41:07 | LinkinXp | :) |
| 04:44:10 | Nimdae | i think petur might have missed something on his update for the usb defines...there's a define for USBOTG that's outside of the comments |
| 04:46:49 | Nimdae | crap, i'm gonna have to redo my theme it seems |
| 04:47:42 | Nimdae | i was afraid of this |
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| 04:59:53 | Nimdae | wow, when loading themes, rockbox freezes, it's not just my theme |
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| 05:11:05 | RudMan | I've seen that when it tries to load a bmp that isn't there |
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| 05:37:35 | MyAdler | anyone know what the next major change is gonna be? |
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| 06:09:08 | Nimdae | MyAdler: whatever they do that causes one, perhaps ;) |
| 06:09:18 | Nimdae | it looks like usb is up there on that list though |
| 06:09:22 | Nimdae | and i'm all for that |
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| 06:38:13 | EnterUserName | does anyone have a macos x and sansa e280? |
| 06:48:47 | EnterUserName | hey al |
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| 06:54:06 | `sam` | hey i reformatted my ipod video, and now i'm having a problem with disk mode... i can get the ipod into disk mode but i can't mount it or access the drive with fdisk |
| 06:55:03 | `sam` | fdisk says "unable to read /dev/sdb" |
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| 07:02:12 | mikae1 | hi |
| 07:02:22 | mikae1 | anybody here? |
| 07:02:26 | mikae1 | i |
| 07:03:21 | rvvs89 | /who #rockbox gives quite a long list of people |
| 07:03:48 | mikae1 | yeah, i see that. but that doesnt mean anybody will reply :) |
| 07:04:25 | rvvs89 | true :P |
| 07:04:27 | scorche | well, you havent asked a question to reply to yet |
| 07:04:48 | mikae1 | i asked if anybody was here, and i got a reply :) |
| 07:04:57 | mikae1 | i will buy an ipod tomorrow. i dont know if im gonna go for the nano 2nd gen or the latest ipod. if theres a chance there will be a firmware for nano within 6 months or so, i really want the nano more |
| 07:05:02 | scorche | read the link in the topic ;) |
| 07:05:10 | mikae1 | sorry |
| 07:05:14 | | Part toffe82 |
| 07:05:26 | scorche | no one is currently working on the 2nd gen nano port |
| 07:05:41 | mikae1 | ok, so i shouldnt hope too much |
| 07:06:01 | scorche | it isnt my place to tell you how much to hope =P |
| 07:06:35 | mikae1 | hmm, doesnt look too bright though |
| 07:06:41 | mikae1 | its been out for quite awhile |
| 07:07:16 | scorche | ports are made by people who want them and have the capabilities to do them |
| 07:07:42 | mikae1 | i guess i could use floola with the standard firmware |
| 07:07:54 | mikae1 | but id like to have flac playback capability |
| 07:08:37 | mikae1 | with rockbox installed, will the ipod work as a regular mass storage device player? |
| 07:09:08 | scorche | yes |
| 07:09:13 | mikae1 | just drag and drop folders/files to the device |
| 07:09:21 | mikae1 | thats so nice |
| 07:09:33 | mikae1 | i do not digg itunes |
| 07:09:35 | mikae1 | im afraid |
| 07:10:12 | mikae1 | the nano feels like a sturdier player though, no hdd, flash based memory and all |
| 07:10:48 | mikae1 | the latest ipod is 5.5g, true? it is fully supported from what i see? |
| 07:10:53 | scorche | yes |
| 07:12:22 | mikae1 | ok, ill go for that one. thanks alot for developing rockbox, judging from the paper it looks great. |
| 07:12:36 | mikae1 | ill guess i will have a chance to try it tomorrow |
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| 07:13:08 | scorche | "the paper"? |
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| 08:01:47 | webguest12 | yo i need help installing rockbox |
| 08:02:10 | webguest12 | anybody here? |
| 08:03:14 | scorche | what problems are you having? |
| 08:04:52 | webguest12 | i installed the rockbox current build and the font package into my ipod |
| 08:05:06 | webguest12 | then when i run the boot loader it says no ipod found |
| 08:05:46 | scorche | you mean no rockbox.ipod found? |
| 08:06:51 | webguest12 | umm u know wut i just started i tunes back up and then i closed it and then ran the bootloader and it found the ipod |
| 08:06:59 | webguest12 | sry about that |
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| 08:08:18 | scorche | are you talking about the bootloader, or ipodpatcher?...please be precise, and dont guess |
| 08:08:42 | ddalton | how would a 2.6 ghz cpu and 512 mb ram build rockbox? |
| 08:08:43 | ddalton | computer |
| 08:08:47 | webguest12 | its ok never mind i got it workking now |
| 08:08:48 | ddalton | on linux |
| 08:08:56 | scorche | om...fine? |
| 08:09:06 | `sam` | with gcc? |
| 08:09:24 | ddalton | well the normal compilers. |
| 08:09:32 | ddalton | how long would it take? |
| 08:09:38 | ddalton | roughly |
| 08:09:51 | `sam` | won't take too long, 2 minutes at most is my guess |
| 08:10:19 | ddalton | ok I can get it for $100 and then just install a hard drive in it. will that work? |
| 08:10:31 | ddalton | it's on ebay now. |
| 08:10:34 | ddalton | buy it now |
| 08:11:36 | scorche | i would assume so, but i would be guessing... |
| 08:11:52 | ddalton | what could be wrong |
| 08:11:57 | ddalton | I will try #linux |
| 08:12:03 | ddalton | or maybe it is ##linux |
| 08:12:13 | scorche | i dont know...i am not looking at the auction (and dont link it here...it is offtopic) |
| 08:12:17 | `sam` | ddalton, i'd recommend reading http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler and http://cstrike.contactor.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile |
| 08:12:21 | `sam` | at least those 2 |
| 08:12:53 | ddalton | but if I can run linux on it will it be ok for rockbox? |
| 08:13:03 | ddalton | and I wasn't going to paste the add on here. |
| 08:13:36 | `sam` | are you talking about getting another computer to build rockbox on? |
| 08:13:39 | scorche | yes, it should be |
| 08:19:54 | ddalton | I am talking about getting another computer to build rockbox on. Why? |
| 08:20:00 | ddalton | I will also program on it. |
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| 08:29:46 | * | GodEater is pleased to see the forums in their usual sparkling tip-top shape this morning |
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| 08:40:47 | GodEater | boom, and the database is dead |
| 08:41:22 | amiconn | argh |
| 08:41:26 | amiconn | rasher: around? |
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| 08:49:29 | ddalton | p7639 can probably be closed. What do people think? |
| 08:49:38 | ddalton | it isn't going to get committed. |
| 08:50:35 | GodEater | I think you may be the most prolific patch writer I've seen in ages ddalton, and I'm continually impressed that you manage all this without the use of sight :) |
| 08:51:03 | GodEater | I think you're right though - I don't think this will get commited |
| 08:52:01 | ddalton | Thanks. But I need to continue reading this c book. |
| 08:53:04 | ddalton | o you closed it. |
| 08:53:13 | ddalton | am I able to close stuff? |
| 08:53:21 | ddalton | or don't I have those rights. |
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| 08:53:39 | markun | ddalton: how do you read the book? |
| 08:53:49 | ddalton | Jaws for windows. |
| 08:53:54 | ddalton | a screenreader |
| 08:54:51 | GodEater | ddalton: no - you can't close stuff - but I can. |
| 08:55:02 | GodEater | the book is an ebook then ? |
| 08:56:07 | markun | ddalton: at which speed do you listen to the screenreader? (just interested) |
| 08:56:41 | ddalton | about 170 words a minute I think. |
| 08:57:25 | ddalton | how can I get those rights. |
| 08:57:25 | markun | ah, that's also the espeak default, but I prefer 200 now |
| 08:57:38 | ddalton | maybe quicker. |
| 08:59:42 | GodEater | ddalton: you have to be made rockbox staff to get those rights. |
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| 09:00:03 | GodEater | maybe when you've been around for a few more months someone will grant you them |
| 09:00:40 | GodEater | that new Gigabeat T sure looks pretty :) |
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| 09:01:09 | GodEater | looks like it's flash only though |
| 09:01:15 | bluebrother | Bagder: I haven't got any commit mails for about one day ... is there a known issue? |
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| 09:06:07 | GodEater | bluebrother: suspect it's to do with the server upgrade yesterday |
| 09:06:11 | GodEater | so I'd bug Zagor :) |
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| 09:07:59 | bluebrother | there was a server upgrade? Ok ... |
| 09:08:07 | GodEater | software upgrade |
| 09:08:14 | joseph_ | is there anyone person/group whose main concern is the ipod? |
| 09:08:17 | GodEater | an "apt-get dist-upgrade" if I'm not mistaken |
| 09:08:21 | GodEater | joseph_: not really |
| 09:08:34 | GodEater | joseph_: just ask your question and we'll do our best to answer |
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| 09:10:42 | joseph_ | Well, I installed rockbox on my ipod video more than 6 month's ago, and keep upgrading every month or so I still can't use it :( The scrollwheel is not up to scratch. |
| 09:11:04 | joseph_ | It is such a shame as ther are so many nice features I miss with apple firmware |
| 09:11:16 | GodEater | it's not a trivial thing to fix |
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| 09:11:41 | bluebrother | "up to scratch"? |
| 09:11:54 | GodEater | "doesn't accelerate properly" I'm guessing |
| 09:11:58 | joseph_ | unusable :) |
| 09:12:02 | joseph_ | yes |
| 09:12:12 | GodEater | that's not fair |
| 09:12:17 | GodEater | it's not unuable |
| 09:12:21 | GodEater | it's just you don't like it |
| 09:12:24 | bluebrother | my Ipod works absolutely fine here. It's perfectly useable |
| 09:12:27 | GodEater | I find it more than usuable |
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| 09:13:09 | GodEater | speak of the devil |
| 09:13:16 | bluebrother | ;-) |
| 09:13:22 | * | GodEater prods bluebrother into bugging Zagor |
| 09:13:29 | joseph_ | perhaps I am unaware of the right settings? |
| 09:13:36 | Zagor | wazzup? |
| 09:13:42 | joseph_ | there are quite a few of them |
| 09:13:45 | bluebrother | Zagor: I'm missing commit mails since about a day. |
| 09:14:01 | Zagor | hmm |
| 09:14:04 | GodEater | joseph_: wheel acceleration does work on the ipod as far as I'm aware at the moment - but this does not make it unusable |
| 09:14:13 | GodEater | s/does/doesn't |
| 09:14:46 | GodEater | I *believe* someone is working on a fix for this - but as ever, we cannot estimate when it'll be fixed |
| 09:14:47 | joseph_ | ok, it is usable, perhaps it was too strong a word |
| 09:15:18 | GodEater | joseph_: if you still use the Apple OS every day, I can imagine there's a frustrating difference between the behaviours in the two firmwares |
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| 09:15:33 | GodEater | but to be honest, if you don't use it every day (as I don't), then you quickly forget abuot it |
| 09:16:02 | joseph_ | I have participated in open source projects in the past and realize that. I just wanted to point out this is the only thing that stops me from using rockbox. I think it is an amazing achivment |
| 09:16:19 | GodEater | joseph_: well if you've participated, perhaps you'd care to help fix it |
| 09:16:28 | markun | joseph_: maybe you can participate here as well? |
| 09:16:31 | Buschel | I never used OF. I just first time booted the iPOD into disk mode and put rockbox on it ;o) |
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| 09:17:15 | joseph_ | Just started a Phd, so I think the chances are slim, but if I have free time later on ... |
| 09:17:32 | * | daurnimator pokes joseph_: PhD boy |
| 09:17:33 | daurnimator | ! |
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| 09:17:55 | GodEater | joseph_: I assume you use the Database feature in Rockbox when you try it ? |
| 09:18:05 | joseph_ | yes |
| 09:18:22 | GodEater | shame :) |
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| 09:19:01 | joseph_ | until I feel confident I don't need to go back to Apple OS i don't see what choice I have? |
| 09:19:01 | markun | joseph_: well, perhaps you could write some detailed feature-requests or bug-reports and hope that someone else will have the time to work on it |
| 09:19:53 | markun | morning daurnimator |
| 09:20:03 | joseph_ | I assume this is an ipod specific problem and other models (which has no clickwheel) are fine? |
| 09:20:23 | GodEater | joseph_: it's not a "clickwheel" feature |
| 09:20:39 | GodEater | joseph_: other ipods, such as the 1st, 2nd and 3rd gens all suffer from it too |
| 09:20:59 | joseph_ | an ipod specific issue, then? |
| 09:21:03 | GodEater | as I understand it, we have working wheel acceleration on the sansa |
| 09:21:07 | daurnimator | markun: sup |
| 09:21:15 | GodEater | but I don't understand why the solution there works, and doesn't for the ipod |
| 09:21:16 | markun | word :) |
| 09:21:28 | joseph_ | interesting |
| 09:21:32 | GodEater | esp. given they use the same processor family |
| 09:21:53 | GodEater | I believe jhMikes was the author of that solution, so he might know why it works in one place and not the other |
| 09:22:03 | GodEater | other than that, we have no other wheel targets, they're all buttons |
| 09:22:27 | joseph_ | BTW, does all players share the same UI? |
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| 09:22:34 | GodEater | yes |
| 09:22:45 | GodEater | the UI experience is the same on all players which run Rockbox |
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| 09:22:59 | GodEater | within the limits of the controls available of course |
| 09:23:07 | GodEater | what's displayed is identical |
| 09:23:09 | joseph_ | and screen size |
| 09:23:15 | * | bluebrother leaves for food |
| 09:23:15 | GodEater | indeed |
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| 09:23:54 | joseph_ | is jhMikes on this channel? |
| 09:23:58 | GodEater | usually |
| 09:24:12 | GodEater | yes, he's in the list - but idling at the moment it would seem |
| 09:24:48 | GodEater | I can't remember where he is geographically, so not sure on his "active" period |
| 09:25:20 | joseph_ | jhMikeS has been idle for 6 hours, 46 minutes, and 18 seconds. |
| 09:25:28 | GodEater | yes I can see that :) |
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| 09:26:08 | markun | A Gigabeat S user dislikes iPods for using proprietary formats for audio and video, how ironic :) |
| 09:26:17 | GodEater | markun: hahahaha |
| 09:26:29 | GodEater | markun: where is this? mygigabeat ? |
| 09:26:34 | markun | yes |
| 09:26:37 | Llorean | GodEater: I believe he's here in the US, meaning he's likely to be unavailable for a while yet. |
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| 09:26:46 | markun | http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=650216BB-3048-2906-EAF512749E959FA8 |
| 09:26:48 | GodEater | Llorean: that's what I thought |
| 09:27:03 | fm2 | linuxstb: I've seen the comment you made shortly after I left. Thanks, I'll try. And now I understand the error messages with duplicated definition of __header etc. I should look into it before to see what should be where and why. Now it's clear. |
| 09:27:04 | GodEater | Llorean: join community |
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| 09:27:42 | linuxstb | GodEater: jhMikeS has said that something (I don't know what) needs changing in the ipod button drivers to make the scroll acceleration work. He doesn't own an ipod though. |
| 09:28:36 | GodEater | joseph_: there you go - we need an ipod owner to investigate this it seems. |
| 09:28:56 | Llorean | linuxstb: It needs to provide deltas, I believe. |
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| 09:29:23 | joseph_ | well, where is the information to set up a build env for rockbox on ubuntu? |
| 09:29:30 | scorche | on the wiki |
| 09:30:06 | Llorean | joseph_: It's basically just "Run rockboxdev.sh, then add the appropriate locations to your path" |
| 09:30:26 | GodEater | joseph_: and rockboxdev.sh is under the tools directory once you've checked out the svn source code.... |
| 09:32:08 | linuxstb | joseph_: Go to http://www.rockbox.org, click on "index" under Documentation on the left, and see the "For Developers" section. There is a fair amount of info there. |
| 09:34:31 | linuxstb | markun: From that gigabeat thread - "wma @ 64kbps sounds the same as mp3 @ 128kbps. thats a fact" .... |
| 09:35:09 | scorche | oye |
| 09:35:14 | JdGordon | re: the pitch and quick screens not being able to use unicode chars... does anyone have an idea what to do if the user font doesnt fit? |
| 09:35:17 | markun | linuxstb: it was a fact on microsoft.com, but the page doesn't exist anymore (or maybe was moved) |
| 09:35:34 | Llorean | Microsoft has some REALLY interesting comparisons between WMA and AAC |
| 09:35:44 | Zagor | nice "fact" :) |
| 09:35:48 | scorche | interesting as in untrue? =) |
| 09:35:59 | JdGordon | markun: they got a deaf person to compare? |
| 09:36:11 | JdGordon | that should ave been to linuxstb i mean |
| 09:36:19 | markun | linuxstb: the listening test I linked to shows that lame at 128 beats all other codecs at 64 |
| 09:36:25 | Llorean | For example, something like 38% liked WMA better, 34% liked AAC better, and 28% thought they were equal, so "66% found WMA better or equal to AAC" |
| 09:36:35 | Llorean | Which is, y'know, mathematically true, but kinda hides where the balance lies. |
| 09:36:44 | markun | ;) |
| 09:36:45 | Llorean | scorche: Just badly misrepresented. |
| 09:37:06 | markun | statistics.. |
| 09:37:58 | markun | here in the netherlands they can predict the results of the election all year round, until the actual day of election, then it's impossible to predict accurately |
| 09:38:37 | JdGordon | markun: thats mostly the same everywhere... |
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| 09:39:23 | joseph_ | thats just human nature, ever read Malcolm Gladwell? |
| 09:39:31 | markun | nope |
| 09:39:56 | Llorean | Especially bad here in the US after that whole "Everyone predicted Bush lost, but he won despite losing the popular vote, so now TV channels will always state that they're not predicting, over and over and over" |
| 09:40:30 | petur | markun: because then it can actually be verified. The other times the just claim they can predict... |
| 09:40:47 | markun | petur: indeed |
| 09:40:50 | linuxstb | preglow: I don't know if you still want a backup H120, but someone just posted this link on the forums - http://cgi.ebay.com/iRIVER-IHP120-20GB-Audio-Jukebox-with-Line-in-Silver_W0QQitemZ300145515410QQihZ020QQcategoryZ114622QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 09:42:38 | * | Llorean orders is GigabeatS |
| 09:42:57 | GodEater | yay - welcome to the club ;) |
| 09:43:03 | scorche | oye....you people |
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| 09:44:40 | Llorean | scorche: Well once it's running Rockbox I intend to eBay the Gigabeat F with voice preconfigured and a good, reliable build to hopefully help out some blind person. |
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| 09:45:53 | markun | Llorean: F40? |
| 09:46:25 | Llorean | Yeah |
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| 09:52:44 | JGabcde | Hey I have a problem with Rockbox could you help? |
| 09:53:07 | JGabcde | Hello? |
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| 09:53:32 | GodEater | we're not psychic |
| 09:53:35 | GodEater | what's the problem ? |
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| 09:54:54 | JGabcde | o |
| 09:55:08 | JGabcde | umm when i put a theme in it doesnt work |
| 09:55:25 | GodEater | could you be a bit more detailed on exactly what you did |
| 09:55:31 | markun | and which theme? |
| 09:55:34 | scorche | and what happens |
| 09:55:36 | GodEater | like, what player you own, what theme etc etc |
| 09:56:04 | markun | do the built-in themes work? |
| 09:56:55 | JGabcde | O ok my mistake umm im using rockbox for the ipod 4th gen color photo and i was putting on the Zenpod theme and when i load it its say load sucessful or w,e, and the it just shows a regualr background like a blue background |
| 09:58:33 | JGabcde | wait i got a different theme to work but i really want the zenpod theme or iPod Color Max |
| 09:58:44 | GodEater | I can't even find a ZenPod theme for the 4G colour |
| 09:59:04 | JGabcde | wat about iPod Color Max |
| 09:59:22 | GodEater | or that |
| 09:59:25 | JGabcde | and it has to be in the 4G color section |
| 09:59:27 | JGabcde | ?? |
| 09:59:31 | GodEater | yes |
| 09:59:43 | JGabcde | o wait could i have the link to where u looking |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:07 | GodEater | http://cstrike.contactor.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIriverH300 |
| 10:00:19 | GodEater | wth happened to the wiki link ? |
| 10:00:29 | JGabcde | idk |
| 10:00:39 | GodEater | well that's where I'm looking anyway |
| 10:00:45 | * | scorche looks over in Zagor's direction |
| 10:01:29 | JGabcde | wat im trying to do |
| 10:01:31 | Zagor | heh, that's an old unusd domain name |
| 10:01:36 | GodEater | I can find the ipod color max one on the rockbox-themes.org page |
| 10:01:41 | GodEater | is that where you got it from ? |
| 10:01:44 | JGabcde | is get a theme that makes rockbox look like a regular ipod |
| 10:01:44 | scorche | doesnt look very unused... |
| 10:01:51 | Zagor | rockbox is the default site on this server so every unallocated name (and ip) goes to rockbox |
| 10:02:12 | JGabcde | is there anything like that? |
| 10:02:13 | Zagor | we used to run a counter-strike server, and have a site around that little community |
| 10:02:25 | scorche | hehe... |
| 10:02:30 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery |
| 10:02:30 | markun | JGabcde: yes, looks like iPod Color Max would be the one: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=220x176x16 |
| 10:02:42 | GodEater | all the links to the model specific galleries have that DNS name in them |
| 10:02:54 | JGabcde | i know markun but i have a 4G Color |
| 10:03:10 | GodEater | JGabcde: so that's the right one then |
| 10:03:13 | markun | JGabcde: yes, that's the one I clicked on here: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ |
| 10:03:33 | JGabcde | o ok ill try it |
| 10:03:55 | GodEater | JGabcde: I note you've still not told us where you got your ones that don't work from |
| 10:04:55 | JGabcde | i got mine from http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ |
| 10:05:05 | JGabcde | and the iPod Color Max |
| 10:05:09 | JGabcde | its wierd |
| 10:05:25 | markun | JGabcde: it's possible that the WPS is outdated |
| 10:05:40 | GodEater | JGabcde: well where's the ZenPod theme? I don't see it there |
| 10:06:01 | JGabcde | how do i update it? Im sorry i know im a loser when it comes to hacking ipods but psp is my thing |
| 10:06:04 | markun | GodEater: but the iPod Color Max is there |
| 10:06:13 | GodEater | markun: yes I know - I found it there! |
| 10:06:43 | markun | JGabcde: it's perhaps not so easy if you are completely new to rockbox, but I don't have time right now |
| 10:07:06 | JGabcde | wait but is it possible to update rockbox |
| 10:07:07 | markun | JGabcde: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking |
| 10:07:38 | JGabcde | damn, is there a easy installer or something |
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| 10:07:53 | markun | to install rockbox? |
| 10:08:16 | JGabcde | well a updated version of the wps |
| 10:08:18 | JGabcde | ?? |
| 10:08:28 | markun | no, I don't think so |
| 10:08:29 | GodEater | JGabcde: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 10:09:09 | JGabcde | wat does this do? |
| 10:09:21 | GodEater | amongst other things, it installs themes for you |
| 10:10:17 | JGabcde | o thanks and theirs one thing i wanna do so bad ok u know when u restart ur ipod |
| 10:10:21 | JGabcde | and see the apple |
| 10:10:29 | JGabcde | is it possible to change that |
| 10:10:35 | JGabcde | ?? |
| 10:10:45 | scorche | no |
| 10:10:50 | GodEater | JGabcde: not with Rockbox anyway |
| 10:11:43 | JGabcde | wat would i have to do to get that |
| 10:12:10 | GodEater | JGabcde: as rockbox doesn't do it - it's offtopic in here |
| 10:12:52 | JGabcde | o ok thats fair and the the bootloader when my ipod starts should i have a choice of ipod firmware or rockbox |
| 10:12:53 | JGabcde | ?? |
| 10:13:10 | scorche | you do have a choice |
| 10:13:19 | GodEater | JGabcde: please go and read the manual |
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| 10:14:01 | markun | JGabcde: with the bootloader of ipodlinux you get a menu to chose what you want to start |
| 10:14:14 | markun | it supports rockbox as well |
| 10:14:29 | pondlife | amiconn: Only calling LAME once has got my voice building down to about 8 minutes! |
| 10:14:35 | JGabcde | i read the menu a million times and its really confusing could u help me or is it gonna take a while |
| 10:14:48 | amiconn | pondlife: Yes, and there will be further speedups, hopefully soon |
| 10:14:54 | markun | JGabcde: which menu? |
| 10:14:56 | * | amiconn pings rasher again |
| 10:15:07 | joseph_ | switch the hold key when booting |
| 10:15:13 | JGabcde | the bootloader menu |
| 10:15:18 | JGabcde | wait wat joseph |
| 10:15:20 | JGabcde | ? |
| 10:15:22 | GodEater | JGabcde: there isn't a bootloader menu |
| 10:15:36 | joseph_ | switch the hold key when booting to get the apple firmwhar on an ipod |
| 10:15:48 | JGabcde | are u serious? |
| 10:15:53 | joseph_ | firmware |
| 10:16:02 | JGabcde | o wow didnt know that |
| 10:16:11 | JGabcde | which is better linux or rockbox |
| 10:16:15 | scorche | JGabcde: that is why we told you to read the manual... |
| 10:16:15 | JGabcde | ?? |
| 10:16:23 | markun | JGabcde: depends on what you want |
| 10:16:30 | scorche | well, they cant be compared, as they have different goals |
| 10:16:33 | JGabcde | Wats the difference |
| 10:16:35 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodLinux |
| 10:17:19 | JGabcde | rockbox is better |
| 10:17:28 | amiconn | linuxstb: That 'fact' about wma isn't too far fetched. Both sound quite crappy at the stated bitrates ;) |
| 10:17:35 | JGabcde | ipod linux doesnt work on 4G |
| 10:17:39 | JGabcde | that sucks |
| 10:17:50 | JGabcde | can u watch videos on rockbox |
| 10:17:52 | scorche | sure it does |
| 10:17:52 | JGabcde | ?? |
| 10:18:03 | JGabcde | wait wat scorche |
| 10:18:10 | GodEater | amiconn: hahahaha |
| 10:19:00 | JGabcde | ?? |
| 10:19:19 | markun | JGabcde: you can watch video with rockbox and ipodlinux does run on the ipod 4G |
| 10:19:28 | markun | and please stop the "??" |
| 10:19:33 | JGabcde | sorry |
| 10:19:36 | scorche | and the "wat" |
| 10:19:42 | markun | :) |
| 10:19:43 | JGabcde | is there a way to have all 3 |
| 10:19:49 | scorche | yes |
| 10:19:54 | JGabcde | how |
| 10:20:03 | GodEater | JGabcde: but it requires you reading, and not just keep asking one word questions |
| 10:20:34 | JGabcde | lol ok and does the rockbox video have sound |
| 10:20:57 | markun | JGabcde: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 10:20:57 | scorche | you can find all this out from that manual we told you to read |
| 10:21:08 | joseph_ | does ipodlinux has full C (or C++) support, i.e. an malloc? |
| 10:21:19 | markun | joseph_: yes, I think so |
| 10:21:22 | scorche | joseph_: why dont you ask them... |
| 10:21:41 | scorche | and no malloc doesnt mean it doesnt have full support... |
| 10:21:52 | JGabcde | alright alright ill read the manual just 3 questions please |
| 10:22:10 | * | markun stops answering questions for a while |
| 10:22:11 | GodEater | no - read the manual first |
| 10:22:15 | GodEater | then ask questions |
| 10:22:22 | JGabcde | fine |
| 10:22:27 | joseph_ | "full support" I mean in the sense of "I can compile my C code as is" |
| 10:22:29 | scorche | it says that in the link in the topic that you were supposed to have read |
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| 10:23:16 | Zagor | joseph_: if you don't use any external libraries, chances are good it will compile... |
| 10:23:26 | GodEater | glibc works on iPL AFAIK |
| 10:23:37 | GodEater | but a better place to ask that would be in #ipodlinux |
| 10:23:39 | Zagor | hehe, yeah I'd hope so :) |
| 10:23:50 | joseph_ | is the "no malloc" in rockbox due to limited resourses of target, or something else? |
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| 10:24:02 | markun | joseph_: it's a religious thing :) |
| 10:24:03 | GodEater | joseph_: that's in the wiki too :@) |
| 10:24:12 | markun | http://cstrike.contactor.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyNoMalloc |
| 10:24:14 | linuxstb | joseph_: IPL has malloc, but it doesn't have "free" - with the expected consequences... |
| 10:24:17 | joseph_ | then I am sorry I asked it :) |
| 10:24:24 | GodEater | http://cstrike.contactor.se/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyNoMalloc |
| 10:24:28 | markun | GodEater: I win! |
| 10:24:39 | GodEater | doh! |
| 10:24:49 | GodEater | I think Zagor has broken the wiki :) |
| 10:24:51 | Zagor | meh, stop posting those links. |
| 10:24:56 | markun | ;) |
| 10:24:59 | scorche | hurry and fix it =P |
| 10:25:02 | joseph_ | reading ... |
| 10:25:19 | Zagor | fix what? just go from rockbox.org and you'll get the right links |
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| 10:25:53 | GodEater | we are |
| 10:25:55 | GodEater | and we're not |
| 10:26:04 | markun | Zagor: ah, oops |
| 10:26:07 | linuxstb | I am... |
| 10:26:11 | Zagor | GodEater: ok explain how you get it then |
| 10:26:30 | GodEater | I'm currently looking at : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex |
| 10:26:42 | GodEater | every link on that page has the cstrike dns name in it |
| 10:27:06 | * | JdGordon also |
| 10:27:14 | linuxstb | GodEater: Yes, that's true... |
| 10:27:15 | Zagor | ok, checking, |
| 10:27:21 | markun | for me only the table of contents |
| 10:27:35 | markun | no, also a lot more |
| 10:27:40 | * | linuxstb always just types in http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PageName |
| 10:27:47 | GodEater | WebHome is ok |
| 10:27:55 | GodEater | but every sublink from there is cstrike. |
| 10:28:28 | JGabcde | ok ok ok |
| 10:28:32 | joseph_ | Lets take a game/application for rockbox. Perhaps a better approach would be for an application to set it's max memory usage at start and let it have malloc/free up to that amount - or perhaps there is already some standard component doing that? |
| 10:28:35 | JGabcde | i read everything i need to know |
| 10:28:44 | JGabcde | question time woo hoo |
| 10:28:58 | GodEater | joseph_: you can do that by implementing your own malloc() in your plugin |
| 10:29:03 | scorche | well, if those questions were answered in what you have read... |
| 10:29:08 | GodEater | a lot of our plugins / codecs do that |
| 10:29:28 | JGabcde | 1. Can Rockbox play radio? 2. Could i have a link for the ipodlinux 4G? 3. How do u record yourself through the headphones? |
| 10:29:30 | joseph_ | why not standarize it then. duplication of code is evil |
| 10:29:31 | GodEater | joseph_: so you grab the plugin buffer, and then malloc frmo that |
| 10:29:58 | GodEater | joseph_: that's hard to argue with :) |
| 10:30:37 | GodEater | JGabcde: did you see a way for the ipod to "play Radio" in the manual ? |
| 10:31:00 | scorche | ipodlinux.org |
| 10:31:08 | linuxstb | joseph_: A small number of plugins/codecs use a faked malloc. For codecs there is a library with malloc amongst other functions, but not for plugins. But almost all plugins are written to use memory statically. |
| 10:31:09 | JGabcde | i think so |
| 10:31:23 | GodEater | you think so |
| 10:31:35 | JGabcde | yea.....y |
| 10:31:45 | GodEater | interesting |
| 10:32:39 | JGabcde | what so interesting? |
| 10:32:48 | scorche | that you read something that isnt there... |
| 10:33:08 | GodEater | or that if you read it, you don't already know the answer. |
| 10:33:35 | joseph_ | I have this backgammon library written in C++. Converting that to static memory is not the optimal way to spend time. This may be the case with other potential applications/games |
| 10:33:54 | JGabcde | cant find where i read it |
| 10:33:59 | GodEater | well you're not going to get raw C++ code running in rockbox either |
| 10:34:13 | GodEater | so at the very least you'd have to port it to straight C |
| 10:34:54 | GodEater | and as I said, you can then always implement your own malloc() |
| 10:34:56 | GodEater | it doesn't take long |
| 10:34:59 | joseph_ | shame, probably not an option then. Damn, it would have been so nice to get something like that going |
| 10:35:26 | GodEater | implementing a decent free() however - THAT would be challenging :) |
| 10:35:29 | linuxstb | I've ported a C++ app to Rockbox before, and found it just as easy to declare things statically as to use malloc. |
| 10:35:42 | linuxstb | But of course that depends on the nature of the app. |
| 10:36:29 | joseph_ | porting C++ back to C is not typically trivial |
| 10:36:48 | linuxstb | No, which is why IMO malloc is a trivial aspect of it. |
| 10:36:52 | Llorean | joseph_: Since the main focus of Rockbox is "Music" rather than "Applications and Games", the architecture has been designed around this. |
| 10:36:59 | Zagor | plugins can implement their own malloc. mpegplayer and doom already does. |
| 10:37:09 | joseph_ | point taken |
| 10:37:17 | linuxstb | Zagor: Yes, but that's not something we want to encourage, is it? |
| 10:37:20 | * | Llorean goes back to not being here. |
| 10:37:54 | joseph_ | more applications and games make a platform more attractive |
| 10:38:19 | amiconn | Rockbox' first goal is to be a good dap firmware |
| 10:38:21 | JGabcde | Wait how come when i play wat i just previously recorded it says code error? |
| 10:38:30 | amiconn | Plugins are addons for fun. |
| 10:38:52 | linuxstb | joseph_: Agreed. But don't underestimate the differences between a Desktop PC and an embedded environment. |
| 10:39:11 | Zagor | linuxstb: I think rules can be a bit more relaxed for plugins than for the core. |
| 10:39:14 | JGabcde | Come on help me please and ill leave |
| 10:39:29 | linuxstb | i.e. a good quality port to Rockbox is more than just getting something to compile. |
| 10:39:36 | Zagor | but naturally it's preferrable to use static, because it teaches you to write code that way. |
| 10:40:14 | linuxstb | Zagor: Yes, I agree. But still a lot of the WhyNoMalloc principles apply to plugins. |
| 10:40:22 | Zagor | absolutely |
| 10:40:27 | joseph_ | if an application is small enough, you can get away doing it the "dirty" way. That have always been the case |
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| 10:41:10 | linuxstb | joseph_: I'm not saying to never use malloc, just that it's not the preferred approach. |
| 10:41:32 | joseph_ | In the non embedded world, what you can write in Python/Perl you don't want to do in C/assembler |
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| 10:42:32 | joseph_ | All I am saying is that perhaps you can "relax the rules" in some cases without losing the benifits you all outlined |
| 10:42:33 | JGabcde | 1. Can Rockbox play radio? 2. Could i have a link for the ipodlinux 4G? 3. How do u record yourself through the headphones? |
| 10:42:52 | scorche | JGabcde: we answered those |
| 10:43:01 | linuxstb | joseph_: The rules are relaxed - that's why some plugins are using malloc. |
| 10:43:30 | austriancoder | where can I find rockbox code police? |
| 10:43:40 | linuxstb | They're behind you... |
| 10:43:48 | petur | booo! |
| 10:44:06 | JGabcde | u guys didnt answer them |
| 10:44:07 | petur | austriancoder: read DOCS/CONTRIBUTING |
| 10:44:26 | Zagor | austriancoder: I guess I'm one of the more grumpy officers :) |
| 10:44:36 | * | linuxstb noticed a few new TABs creeping into the USB code yesterday... |
| 10:44:42 | scorche | JGabcde: 1) read the manual 2) www.ipodlinux.org 3) read the manual |
| 10:45:08 | * | petur discovered anjuta stores the tabs/space settings per project :( |
| 10:45:29 | joseph_ | perhaps I am wrong and at this stage it is too early. First rockbox have to be the ultimate music playing platform, then worry about other stuff |
| 10:45:56 | GodEater | joseph_: that's sort of the goal we strive for |
| 10:45:56 | JGabcde | hello? |
| 10:46:02 | linuxstb | joseph_: I think it's more that the design goals are to emphasise being a good DAP firmware, rather than a general-purpose OS. |
| 10:46:13 | austriancoder | linuxstb: "When writing new files, you may use the brace placement style of your choice." so my brackets where okay :) |
| 10:46:18 | Zagor | found the cstrike bug. the problem was that someone updated the cache from the cstrike address |
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| 10:46:23 | Zagor | I'll kill that domain |
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| 10:46:24 | linuxstb | austriancoder: That's an unwritten rule.... ;) |
| 10:46:57 | GodEater | no it's not |
| 10:47:01 | linuxstb | Just for function declarations, the opening brace should be on a new line. For the rest of the code, the choice is your own. |
| 10:47:11 | JGabcde | omg |
| 10:47:23 | JGabcde | how come my ipod keeps saying data abort |
| 10:47:25 | linuxstb | GodEater: What is not? |
| 10:47:25 | JGabcde | ?? |
| 10:47:33 | GodEater | it's not unwritten |
| 10:47:36 | GodEater | it's very clearly written |
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| 10:47:43 | scorche | when is it data aborting? |
| 10:47:46 | linuxstb | That's good - where is it written? |
| 10:47:58 | JGabcde | when i try to watch mpeg |
| 10:48:07 | JGabcde | and play the voice recording |
| 10:48:08 | JGabcde | s |
| 10:48:15 | JGabcde | and some gameboy games |
| 10:48:34 | petur | Zagor: I managed to land on rockbox via cstrike when googling yesterday... I didn't notice until I saw the address in the browser |
| 10:48:47 | scorche | how are you recording the voice, what video are you playing and how is it encoded? |
| 10:48:50 | GodEater | linuxstb: http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/contributing.html |
| 10:48:53 | Zagor | yeah, I guess that is the source of this problem |
| 10:49:05 | GodEater | linuxstb: under the "style" section |
| 10:49:17 | JGabcde | o i was recording my voice through the microphone |
| 10:49:23 | JGabcde | no i mean |
| 10:49:26 | JGabcde | earbuds |
| 10:49:51 | linuxstb | GodEater: I'm talking about the unwritten rule that says that the opening brace for a function must be on its own line. |
| 10:50:03 | GodEater | linuxstb: ah I see |
| 10:50:11 | GodEater | someone ought to change contributing then |
| 10:50:17 | * | linuxstb hopes he's not talking rubbish... |
| 10:50:18 | * | austriancoder thinks its maybe time for a CodingStyle like the one from Linux Kernel |
| 10:50:19 | GodEater | I personally don't like that though - it's a waste of a line |
| 10:50:38 | JGabcde | ?? |
| 10:50:43 | linuxstb | GodEater: Whitespace is good... |
| 10:50:46 | Zagor | GodEater: lines are cheap |
| 10:50:49 | GodEater | I always write mine as : int do_stuff_to_the_thing() { |
| 10:50:59 | * | petur puts _all_ braces on a new line - more readable |
| 10:51:01 | joseph_ | the svn co is very slow. is that a problem on my side? |
| 10:51:18 | * | amiconn agrees with petur |
| 10:51:19 | petur | GodEater: buy a bigger display :p |
| 10:51:27 | GodEater | linuxstb, Zagor: then change the contributing page |
| 10:51:35 | * | austriancoder not ... k&r is better in my mind |
| 10:51:45 | * | GodEater agrees with austriancoder |
| 10:51:49 | petur | bah |
| 10:51:59 | Zagor | GodEater: yes, we should. it is an actual rule we want to keep, so it should be written. |
| 10:52:01 | GodEater | but it's one of those things people just can't agree on |
| 10:52:02 | GodEater | so just write it down |
| 10:52:46 | * | ddalton agrees with petur |
| 10:53:58 | * | ddalton Finds it anoying with a screen reader to have the braces on the same line as the code. For example if(x==y){ isn't how I like it. |
| 10:54:07 | GodEater | I can imagine |
| 10:54:16 | ddalton | are you talking to me? |
| 10:54:19 | GodEater | yes |
| 10:54:25 | GodEater | I can see your point of view perfectly |
| 10:54:36 | ddalton | yeah your right listening to the whole line is quite anoying. |
| 10:54:38 | GodEater | which underlines my request to have the rule written down |
| 10:54:55 | ddalton | I thought you like if(x==y){ ? |
| 10:55:12 | GodEater | I do |
| 10:55:20 | GodEater | but that doesn't mean I won't agree to follow the rules here |
| 10:55:20 | ddalton | anyone want to close p7525? |
| 10:55:29 | ddalton | ok then |
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| 10:56:03 | DerPapst | Good morning :) |
| 10:57:26 | Zagor | the rule only applies to function declarations. inside the function you may brace as you wish. |
| 10:57:33 | Zagor | or rather function definitions... |
| 10:57:41 | ddalton | ok then |
| 10:57:47 | ddalton | were you talking to me? |
| 10:58:01 | Zagor | hehe, to anyone caring |
| 10:58:24 | ddalton | ok so your talking about my line that said: "if(x==y){ is ok? |
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| 10:58:37 | Zagor | yes |
| 10:58:44 | ddalton | so that is ok |
| 10:58:58 | Zagor | yes, if you're writing a new file |
| 10:59:11 | Zagor | if you're modifying a file, you must follow whatever style the file is already using |
| 10:59:21 | petur | ddalton: are you sure you want your own patch closed? |
| 10:59:40 | ddalton | ok as a blind half programmer if that makes any sence. I would prefer the braces on a new line. |
| 10:59:57 | ddalton | this makes reviewing code easier and quicker |
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| 11:00:26 | ddalton | well do you think it does anything useful? |
| 11:00:44 | ddalton | petur I was talking to you |
| 11:01:26 | petur | ddalton: I can read it, so I'm not to judge if it is usefull for you... |
| 11:01:46 | ddalton | well I thought most people would know how big there disk is. |
| 11:01:51 | ddalton | and wouldn't want to know |
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| 11:02:15 | * | ddalton needs to update it because p7561 was committed. |
| 11:02:44 | * | petur directs attention to payed work before boss complains... |
| 11:03:15 | markun | ddalton: did you hear the output of espeak + mbrola ? |
| 11:03:33 | ddalton | I will update it and then you guys can close it, committed it or just leave it there. doesn't worry me... |
| 11:04:33 | ddalton | markun: no what is that? |
| 11:05:36 | ddalton | markun: does it sound ok? |
| 11:05:55 | * | ddalton wonders why it takes 3 minutes to copy rockbox source! |
| 11:06:12 | scorche | lots of files |
| 11:06:26 | ddalton | ok does your's take that long? |
| 11:06:37 | markun | ddalton: it thought it sounded pretty good. Llorean made a rockbox voice file using it. |
| 11:06:50 | markun | ddalton: which player do you have again? |
| 11:07:04 | ddalton | markun: so it is a synth for linux/windows? |
| 11:07:52 | ddalton | markun: iriver h300 |
| 11:09:08 | markun | ddalton: yes, mbrola is a diphone synthesizer for linux/windows and can be used as a backend with espeak |
| 11:09:21 | markun | Llorean: care to make a h300 voice file? |
| 11:09:37 | ddalton | markun: so how can I get that on cygwin? |
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| 11:11:34 | linuxstb | markun: Are there no moderators at mygigabeat.com to clean the spam? |
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| 11:11:41 | markun | linuxstb: nope |
| 11:12:06 | markun | linuxstb: I was made moderator but that didn't give me any extra options |
| 11:12:17 | markun | it's very very anoying |
| 11:13:32 | markun | ddalton: I don't think that mbrola works with cygwin |
| 11:13:37 | ddalton | do you indent #if? |
| 11:14:02 | linuxstb | markun: It's a shame. The Monkey's Audio forums are similarly neglected. |
| 11:14:14 | * | ddalton will have to waight for this linux box. |
| 11:14:31 | markun | linuxstb: I talk to tomas about it from time to time, but he has 0 time to do anything about it |
| 11:14:55 | markun | and doesn't want to switch to a new forum without being able to import the old threads (excluding SPAM I hope) |
| 11:16:04 | morrijr | http://tcts.fpms.ac.be/synthesis/mbrola/mbrolatools.html <−− cygwin mbrola tools apparently |
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| 11:16:43 | markun | morrijr: I stand corrected :) |
| 11:17:01 | morrijr | np :) |
| 11:17:21 | morrijr | not that I've tried them. |
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| 11:28:41 | DerPapst | ddalton: preprocessor stuff like #if #else #endif #ifdef aren't indented |
| 11:30:16 | ddalton | ok thanks that's what I found when searching through the code. |
| 11:30:47 | * | ddalton Should probably know these basics even though indenting is a visual thing. |
| 11:31:03 | linuxstb | Anyone know anything about replacement batteries for the (FM) recorder v2? Apparently it uses the same battery as the AV300, which I'm looking for a new battery for. Or does anyone have any general advice on how to choose from those many sellers on ebay? |
| 11:31:39 | scorche | linuxstb: i think i posted a couple links in the forums semi-recently about v2 batteries |
| 11:32:41 | markun | Llorean: I'll just remove this post, ok? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12376.0 |
| 11:33:05 | scorche | the move notice? =P |
| 11:33:11 | markun | it hurts my eyes and the poster already know it has been moved |
| 11:33:13 | markun | scorche: yes :) |
| 11:34:18 | bluebrother | the whole thread should be deleted imo ... |
| 11:34:25 | scorche | heh... |
| 11:34:40 | GodEater | yeah |
| 11:34:41 | scorche | i expect he shall be banned soon if he keeps it up |
| 11:35:52 | markun | "Sorry, but you don't have the privilege to remove just any topic." |
| 11:35:57 | markun | bastards! :) |
| 11:36:16 | bluebrother | blame Llorean ;-) |
| 11:37:20 | ddalton | who? |
| 11:37:28 | DerPapst | is it just me or are the forums lagging? |
| 11:37:52 | linuxstb | scorche: Thanks - I've found the thread. |
| 11:38:11 | markun | ddalton: who will be banned? |
| 11:38:21 | bluebrother | DerPapst: forums are fine for me |
| 11:38:22 | ddalton | yes |
| 11:38:23 | DerPapst | Pink Floyd i guess |
| 11:38:39 | DerPapst | they don't load.. bummer :-/ |
| 11:39:01 | ddalton | anyone know how to voice a gui_syncsplash? |
| 11:39:17 | DerPapst | now they work again... ah whatever :P |
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| 11:40:26 | markun | ddalton: just an anoying forum user |
| 11:44:17 | JdGordon | ddalton: wasnt the patch to automatically voice splashes commited? |
| 11:44:55 | ddalton | JdGordon: I have found one that doesn't talk. and I don't know how to make it voice. |
| 11:45:01 | ddalton | "Scanning disk" |
| 11:45:36 | JdGordon | gui_syncsplash really should atumatically voice every time if the string is a LANG_ |
| 11:45:50 | bluebrother | maybe voice isn't loaded at that point yet? |
| 11:46:01 | ddalton | doesn't it have to be id2p instead of str? |
| 11:46:12 | JdGordon | anyone know Linus's whereabouts? |
| 11:46:16 | ddalton | how do you load the voice? |
| 11:46:30 | JdGordon | ddalton: you dont.... |
| 11:46:38 | JdGordon | if its not loaded yet you cant do anything about it |
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| 11:46:46 | bluebrother | well, if the system hasn't loaded the voice already it simply isn't up "enough" |
| 11:47:02 | ddalton | ok so if it has do I change str to id2p? |
| 11:47:11 | ddalton | or ID2P |
| 11:47:19 | JdGordon | no |
| 11:47:41 | bluebrother | if voice isn't running yet this won't work |
| 11:47:42 | JdGordon | I think bluebrother might be right... that splash just wont talk |
| 11:48:24 | bluebrother | you need to go through system boot far enough until you can voice something. I guess that point simply isn't reached when that splash appears. |
| 11:48:54 | JdGordon | .... and I think the voice wont be loaded untill after the audio has been setup, which is well after dircache runs |
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| 11:49:04 | ddalton | in his patch he removes the line: gui_syncsplash(HZ*2, str(LANG_PLAYLIST_CONTROL_ACCESS_ERROR)); |
| 11:49:14 | ddalton | and replaces it with: gui_syncsplash(HZ*2, ID2P(LANG_PLAYLIST_CONTROL_ACCESS_ERROR)); |
| 11:49:35 | ddalton | no I am talking about under the info screen. |
| 11:49:41 | ddalton | and I think that does work. |
| 11:49:45 | JdGordon | oh... |
| 11:49:46 | JdGordon | hmm |
| 11:49:53 | bluebrother | there is a "scanning disc" splash too? |
| 11:49:55 | ddalton | I will and find out. |
| 11:49:58 | ddalton | try |
| 11:50:10 | ddalton | I think it is! |
| 11:50:17 | bluebrother | ok, for that case it should be possible. Thought you'd refer to the bootup "scanning disc" |
| 11:50:42 | preglow | JdGordon: did you remove the eq menu low latency callback when converting the eq menu? |
| 11:50:46 | ddalton | no that wouldn't be possible I don't think. |
| 11:51:21 | JdGordon | preglow: umm, cant remember... |
| 11:51:34 | JdGordon | acctually.. I think the eq menu was converted by someone else |
| 11:52:08 | preglow | really? i could have sworn the commit logs says it was you |
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| 11:52:40 | preglow | Bagder: i'm not getting any commit mails, what gives? |
| 11:53:18 | JdGordon | preglow: ok, well either way, I cant remember doing it... why? |
| 11:53:44 | preglow | JdGordon: because eq menu doesn't enter low latency mode any longer, and the menu macro system is confusing me :> |
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| 11:55:34 | JdGordon | preglow: alrighty, when should it go low latency? entering any setting or make it easy and enter when the menu it entered? |
| 11:55:39 | ddalton | I think there is probably about 4 or 5 splash screens that still don't talk. |
| 11:56:39 | preglow | JdGordon: might as well just enter it when entering the main eq menu |
| 11:56:51 | JdGordon | ddalton: do a search fo gui_syncsplash in the sources... i can see a few which use str() instead of ID2P |
| 11:56:57 | preglow | JdGordon: so the low latency mode has time to wait for some buffer flushing before another setting is attempted |
| 11:57:07 | JdGordon | alrighty, ill do that now |
| 11:57:14 | JdGordon | hweq also? |
| 11:57:19 | JdGordon | or not needed there? |
| 11:57:19 | preglow | no reason for it, that's hardware |
| 11:57:30 | preglow | and has no latency |
| 11:57:50 | ddalton | I am not getting all commits. |
| 11:59:21 | preglow | JdGordon: there's a callback for entering low latency mode already, at the top of sound_menu.c |
| 11:59:25 | JdGordon | preglow: the sw eq is only on swcodec right? |
| 11:59:26 | preglow | don't know if you can reuse that |
| 11:59:29 | preglow | JdGordon: aye |
| 11:59:48 | JdGordon | I guess that could be reused... |
| 11:59:58 | preglow | well, reuse is good :) |
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| 12:01:58 | Llorean | ddalton: Still want to try an H300 voice file with the voice Markun was talking about? |
| 12:02:05 | Llorean | markun: I was out eating, I can make it now |
| 12:02:47 | markun | Llorean: np :) |
| 12:02:59 | markun | a nice girl? :) |
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| 12:03:25 | Llorean | Just dinner alone. There's a nice cafe where I can have peace. |
| 12:03:42 | * | ddalton build might compile! |
| 12:03:42 | Llorean | Is svn.rockbox.org not available right now? |
| 12:03:56 | JdGordon | preglow: do you want to test this out before I commit? |
| 12:04:17 | bluebrother | markun: we should definitely have more girls in here ;-) |
| 12:06:44 | * | Llorean pokes svn.rockbox.org |
| 12:06:51 | markun | Llorean: I only tried the voice file in the sim and heard a lot of clipping, is that normal? |
| 12:07:07 | DerPapst | then you probably have to increase the eyecandines factor a bit :P |
| 12:07:21 | Llorean | markun: I don't hear a lot of clipping on-target, at least on my Gigabeat. There are a few pops at the beginning of clips when you interrupt another clip, but I think that's just normal with voice |
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| 12:08:12 | bluebrother | DerPapst: make irc more fluffy? ;-) |
| 12:08:19 | preglow | JdGordon: sure |
| 12:08:34 | * | JdGordon was half way through commit message :p |
| 12:08:42 | preglow | go ahead anyway |
| 12:08:47 | preglow | i can test after commit too, i don't really care |
| 12:08:55 | Llorean | ddalton: http://llorean.dyndns.org/rockbox/voice/ There's an english-h300.voice there, try it as english.voice and see what you think. |
| 12:09:10 | JdGordon | the patch does nothing more than change the NULL on line eq_menu.c:639 to soundmenu_callback |
| 12:09:36 | JdGordon | ... commited |
| 12:09:51 | JdGordon | the patch is yeah, tiny, so if it doesnt work no big deal :p |
| 12:10:39 | bluebrother | rasher: I just added auto-detection of encoder / tts binary to rbutil. It's just linux for now −− if you know / have an idea how to do this on w32 please let me know. |
| 12:10:46 | JdGordon | austriancoder: hey, whats the story with usb? (you btw commited config-e200.h, so usb is enabled) |
| 12:11:10 | Llorean | bluebrother: Is there any way you could add the option for a custom TTS commandline? |
| 12:11:18 | * | JdGordon apologies, missed the next commit :p |
| 12:11:21 | preglow | JdGordon: checkin it out now |
| 12:11:25 | Llorean | For use with any program / command line that can except a string as input, and output a .wav file |
| 12:11:47 | bluebrother | well, the idea was to only provide presets |
| 12:12:05 | Llorean | Well, for mbrole you have to pipe the espeak output through mbrole, so it's not quite "simple" |
| 12:12:11 | Llorean | Though an espeak+mbrole preset would also work. |
| 12:12:31 | bluebrother | you can simply add new engines to rbutil.ini −− if that file is in the program folder it will be used rather than the compiled-in config |
| 12:12:41 | Llorean | But for that you need to either predefine where they should install the mbrole voices, give RBUtil the option to download the mbrole voices for them, or let them define it. |
| 12:12:49 | bluebrother | hmm, no idea how piping can be handled ... |
| 12:12:51 | markun | Llorean: it's mbrolA, right? |
| 12:12:55 | Llorean | mbrola |
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| 12:13:07 | Llorean | Yeah, for some reason my brain really wants it to be mbrole, I don't know why |
| 12:13:20 | Llorean | bluebrother: The command line looks like this: espeak -v mb-en1 -f textfile | mbrola -e /usr/share/mbrola/en1 - test.wav |
| 12:13:32 | preglow | JdGordon: thanks a bunch, that's fixed |
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| 12:13:37 | Llorean | Where /usr/share/mbrola/en1 is where you've manually downloaded the voice file (none are installed automatically) |
| 12:13:42 | bluebrother | hmm. How does it work on windows? |
| 12:13:46 | JdGordon | preglow: k great |
| 12:13:48 | Llorean | In windows it's fine |
| 12:13:53 | Llorean | bluebrother: The windows espeak uses the mbrola dll. |
| 12:13:57 | Llorean | No piping necessary |
| 12:14:14 | Llorean | Windows user just need to have the mbrola voices in the right folder |
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| 12:14:16 | preglow | double-closed the fs entry too :> |
| 12:14:17 | bluebrother | but it might work if you use the "espeak (user-adjusted)" preset and adjust the executable line |
| 12:14:26 | Llorean | bluebrother: http://espeak.sourceforge.net/mbrola.html |
| 12:14:31 | JdGordon | :) |
| 12:15:04 | Llorean | bluebrother: At least with the ../configure for normal Rockbox voice building, they set it up in such a way that while you can modify the command line options for espeak, how it adds -w blah.wav at the end is hard-coded so you can't get around it like that. |
| 12:15:28 | Llorean | Espeak needs to not have a set output, since it instead outputs a bunch of text on stdout which mbrola then speaks to the wav file |
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| 12:16:04 | preglow | by the way, anyone got any ideas on how to implement codec options? |
| 12:16:17 | linuxstb | Same way as recorder codecs? |
| 12:16:26 | linuxstb | s/recorder/recording/ |
| 12:16:34 | * | linuxstb hopes preglow doesn't ask what that is... |
| 12:16:36 | preglow | how's it done there? |
| 12:16:37 | preglow | :-) |
| 12:16:44 | * | linuxstb points to jhMikeS |
| 12:16:46 | bluebrother | where are codec options needed? |
| 12:16:46 | JdGordon | jhMikeS is the one to ask I tink |
| 12:17:22 | preglow | i was just looking at the fs entry for ac3 mixdown options |
| 12:17:37 | preglow | and thought it was a valid enough request, might also make room for codec quality options some day |
| 12:17:45 | Llorean | ddalton: If you'd like to try the espeak+mbrola voice, there's an english-h300.voice here, that you can rename to english.voice and try: http://llorean.dyndns.org/rockbox/voice/ |
| 12:17:58 | Llorean | You should probably choose to save-as rather than just clicking on it. |
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| 12:22:23 | ddalton | yep thanks I got it |
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| 12:25:02 | ddalton | sounds good |
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| 12:28:07 | The-Compiler | Hi there |
| 12:28:10 | markun | hi The-Compiler |
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| 12:28:39 | fm2 | GodEater: why did you choose to disable removing entries from non-default link files? |
| 12:33:25 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: your asleep arnt you? |
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| 12:36:51 | DerPapst | fm2: read linuxstb's message ~0:04am? |
| 12:40:31 | fm2 | DerPapst: yes. I now understand how and why. (But not the makefile :-) |
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| 12:41:23 | DerPapst | heh ;) |
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| 12:43:51 | * | Nico_P borrowed an iPod 3G from a friend to test rockbox on it |
| 12:44:10 | Nico_P | installing with rbutilqt was a real pleasure... one click :) |
| 12:44:37 | Nico_P | I don't really like the wheel though |
| 12:44:45 | DerPapst | D: |
| 12:44:57 | Nico_P | and sometimes the buttons just seem to act up |
| 12:45:06 | Nico_P | like they think I'm still pressing them |
| 12:45:11 | DerPapst | i think the wheel is pretty nice of the 3G |
| 12:45:45 | DerPapst | hrm.. i have that button porblem on a semi broken 3G too |
| 12:46:06 | DerPapst | but i thought that was a hw issue since i didn't get this problem on my other 3G |
| 12:46:26 | DerPapst | though i haven't used it much in the past few weeks. |
| 12:46:38 | linuxstb | preglow: As codecs are hard-coded (in metadata.c), we could just add any codec-specific settings to the global settings. Especially as I can't imagine many codec-specific options. |
| 12:46:53 | Nico_P | DerPapst: right now I almost can't do anything, it's worst than yesterday |
| 12:47:03 | Nico_P | s/worst/worse |
| 12:47:52 | * | DerPapst hast to play a bit with his working 3G, testing the buttons, using plugins... |
| 12:48:21 | amiconn | rasher: ping... |
| 12:48:22 | DerPapst | on my half broken 3G the buttons don't work after a minute or less |
| 12:48:44 | Nico_P | DerPapst: here they seem to work when they want to |
| 12:48:48 | Nico_P | very annoying |
| 12:49:01 | DerPapst | iirc flipping hold on and off fixes it for a short time. not sure though |
| 12:49:02 | Nico_P | the wheel seems to work fine though |
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| 12:49:30 | Nico_P | yeah it seemed to be related to hold ad it started appearing after the first time I flipped the switch |
| 12:51:15 | * | Nico_P bbs |
| 12:53:37 | rasher | amiconn: here now |
| 12:54:01 | amiconn | rasher: I was trying to extend the vbscript in order to allow specifying the voice to use. |
| 12:54:19 | amiconn | But there is a fundamental problem with the Makefile: |
| 12:54:47 | amiconn | When specifying more than one language, configure asks for engine and encoder options for each language, |
| 12:55:05 | amiconn | but only the last selection is used |
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| 12:56:03 | rasher | amiconn: That feature's disabled (hidden) for now |
| 12:56:04 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, i guess that'd be the straightforward way of doing it, but i'd hate to extend the codec specific stuff in the core |
| 12:56:10 | preglow | not that it matters much... |
| 12:56:13 | rasher | amiconn: for that exact reason |
| 12:56:47 | rasher | amiconn: so for now it's one configure-run per language/setting |
| 12:57:41 | preglow | linuxstb: but yeah, anyway, i don't have any good codec settings to add anyway |
| 12:57:51 | preglow | linuxstb: would ac3 have any worth adding? |
| 12:58:15 | amiconn | rasher: Hmm? I was able to configure more than one language today... |
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| 12:59:14 | rasher | amiconn: As I said, it's just hidden - the configure script no longer says "you can select more than one language", but the code is still there (in the language-select part) |
| 12:59:57 | rasher | Because I did away with the "voicesettings-$language" file |
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| 13:00:06 | rasher | Maybe I need to reintroduce that |
| 13:01:36 | amiconn | Even that wouldn't be a nice solution. I would like to be able to select the same language more than once |
| 13:01:47 | amiconn | (precisely, 4x english + 2x german) |
| 13:02:17 | amiconn | Maybe configure could generate a script, adding lines as it goes? |
| 13:03:07 | rasher | Sure, it just seems cleaner to have everything inside the makefile, but I guess it's more or less our only choice |
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| 13:07:32 | amiconn | I wonder whether it's better to change the vbscript into a "command server" and keep the logic (generate clip, wavtrim, encode) in voice.pl, or make the vbscript execute all 3 steps (requires exceptions for sapi in voice.pl) |
| 13:07:50 | amiconn | All 3 steps at once, I mean |
| 13:08:11 | rasher | Actually, it doesn't require exceptions iirc |
| 13:08:37 | rasher | Ah, yes, I'm talking crazy talk |
| 13:09:26 | amiconn | I will also add sapi4 support |
| 13:09:41 | amiconn | (that's almost trivial) |
| 13:10:08 | rasher | I think adding special-cases for sapi is acceptable |
| 13:10:46 | rasher | Unless it turns out to not give much benefit, in which case I guess we can scrap it |
| 13:10:59 | rasher | Although I'm not sure how we're going to pass encoder options to the vbscript? |
| 13:11:31 | preglow | and the commit mails started pouring in |
| 13:11:57 | rasher | Not here. I must obviously be less important. |
| 13:13:18 | rasher | FS #7672 (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7672) sounds really bizarre |
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| 13:13:39 | Llorean | rasher: That's a known H10 issue really |
| 13:13:55 | Llorean | When the voltage gets low, the ADC used for reading the touchpad gets unreliable, and picks up a lot of "Up" presses, shortly before the power goes out. |
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| 13:14:05 | rasher | Hah |
| 13:14:29 | Llorean | So, dips can trigger both this and the low-voltage poweroff apparently |
| 13:14:44 | amiconn | rasher: Either as command line options, or via stdin |
| 13:14:51 | `sam` | i've restored my ipod, followed the instructions for installing from the manual, and i still get rockbox.ipod not found when i try to start rockbox, on a 5.5G ipod video |
| 13:15:09 | amiconn | That was my idea with the command server - passing commands to execute in the script |
| 13:15:11 | rasher | amiconn: I guess the safest option is to pass stuff on stdin. A few setup-lines |
| 13:15:30 | rasher | Ah, just giving it commands, that would work even easier |
| 13:15:44 | amiconn | E.g. SPEAK<tab>VOICE_ONE.wav<tab>one<crlf> |
| 13:16:15 | amiconn | ...and EXEC<tab>lame −−whatever-option infile.wav outfile.mp3 |
| 13:16:16 | GodEater | `sam`: try using RockboxUtility instead |
| 13:16:50 | amiconn | The EXEC would be a literal exec of whatever command line you pass it - would work the same for other encoders or wavtrim |
| 13:17:05 | rasher | Sounds good |
| 13:17:14 | amiconn | But that involves more data passing than making the vbscript execute all 3 steps at once |
| 13:17:40 | rasher | Do you think that's going to be a problem? |
| 13:18:08 | rasher | I really don't. The perl script has proven itself to be quite fast once it's started |
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| 13:18:39 | amiconn | Yeah, but I don't know how much overhead the stdin passing of text adds |
| 13:19:12 | `sam` | GodEater, should i delete the .rockbox folder first, before trying the RockboxUtility ? |
| 13:19:30 | rasher | amiconn: I'm guessing "very little". |
| 13:19:37 | GodEater | `sam`: it shouldn't matter |
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| 13:20:16 | fm2 | GodEater: seen my question at 12:28? |
| 13:20:18 | `sam` | is there an amd64 deb anywhere? |
| 13:20:47 | rasher | bluebrother: I'd say check the PATH on Windows as well. That's probably the best you can do. |
| 13:20:47 | GodEater | fm2: I did. I think the reasoning was that since you have to manually create the things outside of the plugin, that's where you should manage their content in whole. |
| 13:21:48 | rasher | bluebrother: The same should work, I imagine, on OS X |
| 13:22:10 | fm2 | GodEater: ah, you mean that only the default file is created / appended to by the plugin so the removing of entries should do the same? That's sensible! |
| 13:22:31 | GodEater | fm2: precisely |
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| 13:23:03 | fm2 | GodEater: I'll put this in as a comment then |
| 13:23:44 | GodEater | fm2: good idea ;) |
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| 13:24:33 | fm2 | I often find myself not understanding my own decisions (after some time). And am always glad to find a comment explaining why. |
| 13:24:45 | GodEater | indeed |
| 13:24:57 | GodEater | in fact - I could have sworn I did comment that |
| 13:25:02 | GodEater | I must have dreamt it :) |
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| 13:25:40 | ddalton | how do I run dos2unix on a dir and all sub dirs? |
| 13:25:44 | amiconn | rasher: QUIT would then be a normal command, and we could have some CONF_* commands as well |
| 13:25:58 | GodEater | ddalton: I don't think you can |
| 13:26:02 | GodEater | ddalton: not directly anyway |
| 13:26:04 | rasher | amiconn: sounds good, as long as you write the vbs |
| 13:26:13 | GodEater | ddalton: you'd probably have to do some fancy bash scripting |
| 13:26:26 | rasher | ddalton: find . -type f -exec dos2unix "{}" ";" |
| 13:26:39 | ddalton | because I wrote a patch that modified about 8 different files. |
| 13:26:50 | ddalton | anyway I will see if I can remember them all. |
| 13:27:48 | ddalton | I got my disk scan thing to work as well. So if you press select in the info screen and it says "scanning disk" it also voices "Scanning disk" |
| 13:28:36 | ddalton | so I just type find . -type f -exec dos2unix "{}" ";" |
| 13:28:51 | rasher | ddalton: That should work, yes |
| 13:32:00 | amiconn | rasher: No problem... |
| 13:33:09 | amiconn | Hmm, we probably need feedback... |
| 13:34:30 | amiconn | That is, we need a way to synchronise operation - sometimes... |
| 13:36:19 | amiconn | While generating clips, slight asynchronous operation is in fact desirable, but all speaking/trimming/encoding must be finished before voicefont is executed |
| 13:37:44 | amiconn | Hmm, and there is pool operation |
| 13:38:03 | ddalton | where can I get main_menu.c from? |
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| 13:42:30 | markun | ddalton: apps/menus/ |
| 13:43:30 | ddalton | what is the site? |
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| 13:44:54 | rasher | amiconn: ugh.. having to read from the vbs script makes things much more complicated unfortunately |
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| 14:07:01 | Nico_P | bluebrother: how does rbutil translation work ? |
| 14:07:13 | Nico_P | I'd like to try doing a quick french one |
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| 14:08:01 | bluebrother | Nico_P: add a new file to the TRANSLATIONS in rbutilqt.pro |
| 14:08:14 | rasher | Does kdevelop have an interface for it? |
| 14:08:20 | rasher | Because the xml file looked rather unfriendly |
| 14:08:36 | bluebrother | then run lupdate on the project file |
| 14:08:55 | Nico_P | rasher: I clicked on the ts file and it was opened with "Qt linguist" |
| 14:08:59 | bluebrother | and then fire up linguist-qt4 :) |
| 14:09:11 | rasher | Ah, there's a linquiet |
| 14:09:13 | Nico_P | bluebrother: thanks |
| 14:09:15 | rasher | linguist |
| 14:10:17 | bluebrother | to use the language you need to run lrelease. This will create the output .qm file |
| 14:10:18 | Nico_P | bluebrother: how come the german translation doesn't appear in the config dialog ? |
| 14:10:21 | Nico_P | ah |
| 14:10:43 | bluebrother | because it isn't "released" ;-) |
| 14:11:35 | bluebrother | afaik the makefile doesn't do this. No idea why ... |
| 14:11:52 | rasher | bluebrother: How would you feel about a first rbutil release soon? |
| 14:12:15 | rasher | Some magazine wants to distribute Rockbox, and rbutil might be a better choice.. |
| 14:12:23 | Nico_P | rasher: I agree |
| 14:12:27 | rasher | Even though it's not complete yet |
| 14:12:41 | Llorean | It supports installing Rockbox and the bootloader though, "fully", right? |
| 14:12:48 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I used rbutilqt to install rockbox on an ipod 3G I borrowed and it was *smooth* |
| 14:13:04 | bluebrother | rasher: my intention is to make the current state a first test release |
| 14:13:29 | rasher | Can't get better testing than including it on a cover-cd... |
| 14:14:13 | bluebrother | indeed ... but maybe we should add a "support" entry in the help menu first? |
| 14:14:34 | bluebrother | possibly linking it to a wiki page or some rbutil-dedicated forum (if we decide to create one)? |
| 14:14:49 | rasher | Sounds reasonable |
| 14:17:11 | `sam` | ok i used the rockboxutility, and i'm still getting the error about rockbox.ipod not found |
| 14:17:25 | bluebrother | hmm, path detection on windows is a bit different to linux ... those quoted paths are annoying :( |
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| 14:19:21 | bluebrother | while rbutil supports all basic functionality (imo ;-) it isn't well-tested. |
| 14:19:38 | bluebrother | so we need testers ... ;-) |
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| 14:24:22 | preglow | what's this driver stuff switching thing in the usb stack? |
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| 14:24:49 | amiconn | rasher: Do you have a better idea? |
| 14:25:26 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I see a bad english string here: "Firmware doesn not exist: %1" |
| 14:25:50 | rasher | amiconn: I'm not sure I quite understand why we need feedback? |
| 14:26:42 | `sam` | looks like my partitions are messed up, or rockbox bootloader is detecting something wrong: Partition 1: 0x0B 7130 MB, but the partitions is like 28 GB |
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| 14:27:06 | amiconn | rasher: The perl script passes commands to the vbscript, which runs in its own process. For some operations the perl script needs to know that the vbscript finished executing the command(s) |
| 14:27:11 | GodEater | Partition 1 ? |
| 14:27:17 | GodEater | as in the first one ? |
| 14:27:23 | amiconn | ...e.g. you can only copy the .mp3 file after it has been generated |
| 14:27:45 | amiconn | It's pure luck that it works right now |
| 14:27:52 | rasher | Oh dear, yse |
| 14:27:58 | `sam` | GodEater, there are 2 partitions, one that says "empty" in fdisk, and the 2nd one is vfat |
| 14:28:00 | rasher | Actually, no |
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| 14:28:12 | rasher | The write will not complete until the vbscript has eaten it |
| 14:28:26 | amiconn | Hmm, and it probably doesn't work correctly right now, as it seems the wavtrim step isn't applied |
| 14:28:26 | GodEater | `sam`: I think you may need to do a restore of your MBR - it sounds like your partition table is screwed up |
| 14:28:39 | rasher | But there's still a time from the read in the vbscript til the mp3 is available, I guess |
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| 14:28:46 | amiconn | rasher: Are you sure? I would expect the streams to be buffered |
| 14:29:04 | amiconn | And even if the vbscript eats the command that doesn't mean it finished executing |
| 14:29:17 | rasher | Yeah, that's my second point, so it's a problem regardless |
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| 14:29:37 | rasher | I guess we do need bidirectional communication |
| 14:29:45 | amiconn | But if it's only that, and not additional buffering, the solution is simple |
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| 14:30:02 | amiconn | Then we can have a SYNC command that doesn't actually do anything |
| 14:30:33 | amiconn | The perl script would issue the SYNC command, which would block until it's eaten by the vbscript, which means that the previous command finished |
| 14:31:06 | rasher | ah, that might just work |
| 14:31:33 | rasher | Of course, assuming it's not actually buffered |
| 14:32:26 | * | petur points preglow towards austriancoder |
| 14:32:30 | `sam` | GodEater, after restoring the mbr, will i need to repartition and reformat? |
| 14:32:55 | GodEater | `sam`: well if your partition layout matches what's in the MBR then no |
| 14:33:00 | GodEater | otherwise, yes you will |
| 14:33:10 | JdGordon | Bagder: you round? |
| 14:33:49 | bluebrother | Nico_P: yep, that's a typo |
| 14:34:00 | austriancoder | preglow: that it is possible to switch between serial and storage usb device driver at runtime... default is storage |
| 14:34:24 | Nico_P | bluebrother: what should I do about it ? |
| 14:34:52 | JdGordon | austriancoder: we have a usb icon thanks to rasher which we'll commit once its finished... (breaks themes when it goes in so best wait as long as we can) :) |
| 14:34:53 | bluebrother | ignore it or fix it ;-) |
| 14:35:00 | JdGordon | .. for the menus im talking about |
| 14:35:03 | bluebrother | I can fix it too if you like that better |
| 14:35:05 | Nico_P | bluebrother: how do I fix it :) |
| 14:36:10 | austriancoder | JdGordon: cool |
| 14:36:17 | bluebrother | Nico_P: just did it ;-) It's a string in installbootloader.cpp |
| 14:36:32 | bluebrother | Qt puts all translateable strings into tr() calls. |
| 14:36:48 | Nico_P | bluebrother: ah so the strings aren't in a special file ? that's cool |
| 14:37:08 | Nico_P | bluebrother: what does that change for me now ? do I have to rerun lupdate ? |
| 14:37:08 | bluebrother | encoder / tts detection should now work on windows too. Stupid OS. |
| 14:37:11 | rasher | bluebrother: Perhaps I should ask our tango-dude for a "talk" icon? |
| 14:37:33 | bluebrother | Nico_P: yes ... you'll get a new string now (and need to translate that new string again) |
| 14:37:40 | Nico_P | ok |
| 14:37:42 | bluebrother | unless you simply hack the xml file ;-) |
| 14:38:38 | bluebrother | rasher: I like the current icon, but if someone does a better one we can include I won't intervene |
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| 14:39:12 | rasher | bluebrother: It's not tango though :\ |
| 14:39:21 | O112358 | hey |
| 14:39:33 | bluebrother | rasher: feel free to improve the icons with better ones. |
| 14:40:02 | bluebrother | I just used the gnome-desktop icons from my box (which should be gpl) |
| 14:40:34 | O112358 | is it true that h300 battery life issues have been solved?! |
| 14:40:37 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I didn't even need to retranslate :) |
| 14:40:43 | rasher | It's only the talkfile_btn.png that offends me |
| 14:40:55 | bluebrother | Nico_P: cool. |
| 14:40:56 | GodEater | O112358: what h300 battery issues ? |
| 14:41:20 | O112358 | rockbox was eating more battery than original firmware |
| 14:41:25 | bluebrother | GodEater: maybe he referrs to the USBOTG chip issues ... that were solved _really_ long ago |
| 14:41:40 | GodEater | I was going to say - I wasn't aware of any recent issues with it |
| 14:41:41 | petur | ages! |
| 14:41:44 | O112358 | that's the one >< |
| 14:41:51 | bluebrother | I think it's at least one year now |
| 14:42:03 | O112358 | my battery has been dead for about a year.. |
| 14:42:30 | * | bluebrother would have replaced the battery when it died |
| 14:42:35 | O112358 | i did |
| 14:42:42 | O112358 | and then it ballooned |
| 14:42:56 | O112358 | and now my player smells like acid |
| 14:43:00 | bluebrother | oops. Doesn't sound nice. |
| 14:43:03 | petur | O112358: buy a good brand |
| 14:43:07 | * | O112358 cries into his iriver |
| 14:43:08 | bluebrother | cheap replacement? |
| 14:43:11 | O112358 | yeah |
| 14:43:25 | bluebrother | O112358: don't make it wet ... ;-) |
| 14:43:37 | * | O112358 stops crying |
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| 14:43:50 | petur | O112358: I have one of these now: http://www.cameronsino.net/ |
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| 14:44:15 | O112358 | i was looking on ebay today at batteries.. but i'm not sure if i'm better off getting one that says it's for the h320 or a ipod battery.. |
| 14:44:30 | petur | get one that says h3x0 |
| 14:44:32 | bluebrother | O112358: r10128 solved that issue ... 16th jun 2006 |
| 14:44:34 | O112358 | the ipod batteries are cheaper and i hear they are the same just wrong polarity |
| 14:44:36 | petur | see link I just gave |
| 14:44:53 | O112358 | bluebrother: hehe |
| 14:45:08 | petur | I also got an ipod batt and it ballooned - never again! |
| 14:45:33 | `sam` | GodEater, i restored the mbr, but i'm still seeing the same thing when i reboot the ipod |
| 14:45:38 | bluebrother | I have an ipod battery in my h120. Seems I got luck, works fine |
| 14:45:42 | O112358 | yes the ebay seller i was looking at was selling cameronsino batteries |
| 14:46:15 | petur | I know of several using cameronsino batteries and all are fine |
| 14:46:20 | GodEater | `sam`: I'm thinking you may need to do a proper iTunes restore in that case. Something is badly wrong with your disk |
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| 14:47:08 | O112358 | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Replacement-for-iRiver-H320-Battery-2200mAh_W0QQitemZ320147421909QQihZ011QQcategoryZ118262QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting |
| 14:47:23 | Nico_P | bluebrother: do you know how I can insert a newline in the translator ? |
| 14:47:35 | O112358 | i may go for that.. they say they do a 90 day money back guarantee.. |
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| 14:48:17 | petur | O112358: looks like the one I am using now |
| 14:48:41 | PaulJam | hi, is there a way to see if a file is mono oe stereo in rockbox? there doesn't seem to be a WPS tag and i didn't see this info in the id3 info screen. |
| 14:48:58 | O112358 | petur nice |
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| 14:49:59 | O112358 | argh.. i wish i could play around with rockbox with my iriver plugged into the mains.. it's impossible to boot into rockbox without a battery though right? |
| 14:50:09 | petur | right |
| 14:51:09 | O112358 | i have a feeling ipod batteries are bigger than h320 batteries.. people who use the ipod replacements probably have h340s.. |
| 14:51:55 | rasher | bluebrother: I don't think the speech-bubble idea will work very well (in tango style - since it's viewed from the front) - it'll end up covering much of the player. Perhaps a generic DAP with a pair of lips, rather than a screen, or something? |
| 14:52:18 | petur | O112358: the cameronsino battery is a little thicker but also a little less wide, and it fits perfectly (better than an ipod battery, which is a bit too big) |
| 14:53:05 | amiconn | petur: It probably depends on the quality of the replacement battery. At least the 1st/2nd gen ipod batteries are of the Vmax == 4.2V type like the iriver batteries |
| 14:53:34 | O112358 | i was looking at http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Replacement-for-Apple-iPod-1st-2nd-Gen-Battery-2200mAh_W0QQitemZ320152083113QQihZ011QQcategoryZ118261QQcmdZViewItem |
| 14:54:41 | O112358 | same manufacturer.. |
| 14:54:42 | rasher | bluebrother: imho, the encoder/tts options should be shown in the grayed-out input box when selecting a preset |
| 14:55:14 | bluebrother | rasher: they are −− on windows. Linux default style Plastique only shows the text greyed out |
| 14:55:19 | petur | O112358: get the one that is specified for h3x0 |
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| 14:55:31 | rasher | bluebrother: okay, fair enough |
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| 14:55:52 | bluebrother | but I was surprised at first too ;) |
| 14:55:54 | O112358 | i'll do that.. and if it says it's for h340 and i have a h320 it'll be too big right? |
| 14:56:28 | petur | I think h320 and h340 have the same battery |
| 14:58:18 | O112358 | hmm.. wonder why they name them differently.. |
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| 15:00:26 | rasher | bluebrother: how about http://rasher.dk/rockbox/dap-lips.png .. Now if only I could find some lips that weren't quite as "kissy" |
| 15:01:01 | bluebrother | hehe −− looks funny. |
| 15:01:21 | bluebrother | I thought about something similar to the icon I saw for kmouth once too |
| 15:01:48 | rasher | A big grin.. |
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| 15:02:33 | bluebrother | found it: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/kmouth.png |
| 15:03:33 | rasher | Are we going to use the tango icons as a sort of "this is what you selected" indicator in rbutil? |
| 15:03:57 | rasher | (of course we'll need to have a full set to be able to do that) |
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| 15:04:28 | bluebrother | it's a possibility −− like displaying the device icon somewhere in the "Device" box |
| 15:04:43 | bluebrother | and I thought about using the Icons in the device selection dialog as well |
| 15:05:37 | rasher | Something like that, yes |
| 15:05:42 | rasher | Would be a nice touch |
| 15:05:56 | rasher | Of course, it'll add to the binary size |
| 15:06:10 | `sam` | on a 30GB 5.5G ipod, are either of the default partitions marked bootable? and if so, which one? |
| 15:07:02 | n1s | rasher: I saw you message about bitmap stuff being built for the 'features' target, I had seen this but am not sure how to fix it, not being familiar with makefiles etc... |
| 15:07:42 | rasher | n1s: I think I have Bagder on the case, but it sounded like it'd be quite some work |
| 15:08:47 | n1s | rasher: ok, it doesn't brak anything, just isn' tvery nice... |
| 15:08:57 | n1s | s/brak/break |
| 15:09:14 | rasher | Yeah, it's harmless except for the time penalty it gives on cygwin |
| 15:09:23 | rasher | On linux it's no big deal |
| 15:09:27 | amiconn | rasher: The stream *is* buffered :( |
| 15:09:38 | rasher | amiconn: Ah, that's a bummer |
| 15:09:57 | * | amiconn made 2 tiny test scripts to verify |
| 15:10:02 | rasher | I guess the perl script will have to wait for a "SYNC" message or something |
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| 15:10:55 | amiconn | So, how do do bidirectional communication? |
| 15:12:41 | rasher | in perl? Take a look at how festival gets handled. In particular you want either open2() or open3() |
| 15:13:10 | rasher | http://perldoc.perl.org/IPC/Open2.html http://perldoc.perl.org/IPC/Open3.html |
| 15:15:26 | bluebrother | binsize shouldn't be that much of a concern for rbutil −− on windows its about 3MiB packed with upx |
| 15:18:16 | rasher | Not too bad |
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| 15:18:56 | bluebrother | no. In fact, I was impressed how much upx'ing helps |
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| 15:22:17 | amiconn | rasher: Hmm, ok. I wonder how init_tts() should handle the various file handles then. Currently it returns the single handle... |
| 15:22:31 | amiconn | Maybe we need globals for that |
| 15:22:34 | rasher | amiconn: it can return a list |
| 15:22:45 | rasher | Eh, hash, I believe it's called in perl-speak |
| 15:22:45 | amiconn | Oh, hmm |
| 15:23:04 | * | amiconn needs to read up a bit about perl |
| 15:23:41 | * | amiconn spots an odd thing in voice.pl |
| 15:24:05 | amiconn | rasher: Can you tell what lines 77 and 78 are supposed to do? |
| 15:24:44 | rasher | 77 is old cruft |
| 15:24:53 | rasher | Should just be deleted |
| 15:25:11 | bluebrother | rasher: what do you think about dropping the archos icon as rbutil icon? IMO this is a bit unfair −− we have lots of other devices now |
| 15:25:23 | rasher | bluebrother: I completely agree |
| 15:25:56 | bluebrother | then I'll replace it with the yellow logo-icon |
| 15:26:15 | bluebrother | that was the last thing I want to get done before m1 is reached ;-) |
| 15:26:19 | rasher | amiconn: I was planning on passing the opened filehandle along, but the $pid was more interesting. The filehandle will be closed by perl automatically |
| 15:26:25 | rasher | (on end-of-script) |
| 15:26:36 | amiconn | aha |
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| 15:31:19 | * | n1s suspects linuxstb had a severe case of boredom :-D (AOL language) |
| 15:33:00 | `sam` | GodEater, i think i got it now... i think it was the problem of trying to use mkfs.vfat with 5.5G, i used mformat and i've got rockbox installed and running now |
| 15:47:43 | rasher | amiconn: Shouldn't firmware/target/arm/ipod/1g2g be in the tarball? |
| 15:50:01 | amiconn | It should, I think |
| 15:50:11 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I'm not sure it's a good idea to specifiy the font-size for the texts in rbutilqt |
| 15:50:43 | rasher | I assume the pnx0101 stuff in target/ should also be included? Some of the files are left out at the moment |
| 15:51:00 | markun | bluebrother: and what about renaming the 'archos' folder in the simulator.. |
| 15:51:30 | rasher | markun: I brougth that up once, no one agreed |
| 15:51:57 | rasher | But I think something like "disk" would be more descriptive |
| 15:53:03 | JdGordon | target/ maybe? |
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| 15:53:28 | Llorean | Or player/, or device/ or data/ or any of a number things are "more obvious" than archos. |
| 15:53:37 | amiconn | dap/ |
| 15:53:45 | Llorean | But really, if you're building a simulator, you at least know somewhat what you're doing. |
| 15:53:55 | Llorean | And if you're providing prebuilt simulators, you can name the folder whatever you like. ;) |
| 15:53:57 | rasher | Llorean: My users don't |
| 15:54:26 | rasher | I'd rather keep my version the exact same as what you'd get if you built svn yourself |
| 15:54:30 | rasher | Except for the few shortcuts |
| 15:54:50 | Llorean | Gotcha |
| 15:55:08 | rasher | Same reason I didn't make −−background the default, but opted for the .bat file route |
| 15:55:09 | Llorean | Well, I wouldn't object to it changing, though it is kinda nice to have that nod in there to the original targets. |
| 15:57:21 | rasher | Then again, I can't remember anyone actually asking what this "archos" folder meant |
| 15:57:44 | rasher | So it's probably a non-issue. It just seems wrong, somehow. |
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| 15:59:09 | bluebrother | Nico_P: I haven't specified a font size ... designer did ;-) |
| 15:59:36 | Nico_P | bluebrother: oh... these html blocks are a PITA to translate too |
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| 16:00:19 | bluebrother | yeah ... the only thing I really dislike about designer. |
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| 16:02:50 | rasher | amiconn: Should firmware/test/ be in the tarball? It isn't now, and I'm thinking it shouldn't? |
| 16:03:51 | Nico_P | bluebrother: isn't there a way around it ? like concatenating the designer output with tr() strings ? |
| 16:04:04 | amiconn | rasher: why not? |
| 16:04:07 | Nico_P | is the designer output in tr() calls ? |
| 16:04:14 | linuxstb | rasher: I don't think any of those test apps even builds any more though... |
| 16:04:26 | rasher | amiconn: don't know, is it any use? It looks like that dir is pretty stale |
| 16:04:39 | `sam` | does anybody know of a nice way to sync files between a folder on my computer and one on my ipod? |
| 16:04:45 | bluebrother | Nico_P: I haven't investigated yet. |
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| 16:05:11 | amiconn | In fact I wonder why we need FILES and its ever-missing updates instead of just zipping up the whole source tree |
| 16:05:21 | Nico_P | bluebrother: better to investigate before people start to do a bunch of translations ;) |
| 16:05:22 | rasher | `sam`: rsync? |
| 16:05:41 | bluebrother | a reason why I haven't bothered too much about the german translation ;-) |
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| 16:05:59 | rasher | amiconn: that's probably a good point. I have no idea |
| 16:06:51 | amiconn | Well, if you zip the tree without 'make veryclean' first, you'll get all the compiled tools ziiped as well |
| 16:07:14 | amiconn | And we'd need to exclude dotdirs |
| 16:07:51 | rasher | Hopefully the build server has space enough to keep a copy of the sourcetree without being used |
| 16:07:58 | Nico_P | bluebrother: hmm judging from the file I don't see a way around this... |
| 16:07:59 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 16:07:59 | rasher | I'm sure zip can do tat |
| 16:08:28 | bluebrother | JdGordon: we have paged scrolling ... at least on h100 series (play + up / down) |
| 16:08:46 | rasher | zip -x@exclude.list |
| 16:08:55 | Nico_P | bluebrother: unless the strings were set at runtime by a source file and not in the ui file |
| 16:08:59 | rasher | or just zip -x .svn might work |
| 16:09:18 | preglow | linuxstb: would ac3 have any codec options worth adding? |
| 16:09:20 | JdGordon | bluebrother: im pretty sure he wants the "scorlling" like the ipod of does when you enter a submenu |
| 16:09:21 | linuxstb | bluebrother: IIUC, that FS request was for menu transition animations |
| 16:09:39 | bluebrother | ah. Then I misread it. |
| 16:09:49 | Llorean | bluebrother: I agree with their interpretations to. The post was unclear, but I think that's what he meant |
| 16:10:09 | bluebrother | but I also just did an oops commit, so ... ;-) |
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| 16:11:54 | linuxstb | preglow: a52dec (the sample application with liba52) has a command-line option to disable dynamic range compression, and another to "disable level adjustment based on output mode" (I'm not sure what that means...) |
| 16:11:57 | `sam` | are there any programs similar to banshee or amarok that can use the rockbox database? |
| 16:12:40 | rasher | `sam`: not that we're aware of |
| 16:13:01 | linuxstb | preglow: You can also specify a gain, but I can't remember where in the decoding process that gain gets applied. |
| 16:13:06 | `sam` | i might look into that, might not be too hard to add the support into banshee |
| 16:13:37 | rasher | `sam`: if you need information on the database, Slasheri is your guy |
| 16:13:46 | rasher | `sam`: or the source.. |
| 16:13:50 | preglow | linuxstb: but nothing regarding mixdown to stereo? |
| 16:14:07 | linuxstb | preglow: No. |
| 16:15:13 | `sam` | rasher: ok, i was going to look at the source, but i'm not gonna mess with it right now, i guess his name will appear in the source somewhere?(so i can remember who to ask if i need help) otherwise i should make a note of it... |
| 16:16:32 | rasher | `sam`: He's in there by his full name - a quick lookup in the wiki should convert that to Slasheri. apps/tagcache.[ch] is where you'll probably want to look |
| 16:16:48 | rasher | Complete with scary-looking ascii-diagram |
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| 16:17:30 | linuxstb | preglow: The downmixing seems to be hard-coded. I don't know much about a52 though - maybe the spec would be worth reading: http://www.atsc.org/standards/a_52b.pdf |
| 16:18:03 | rasher | bluebrother: rbutilqt has no make install target? |
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| 16:22:41 | Nico_P | bluebrother: for the theme install dialog, IMHO it would be better to have checkboxes to select the themes to be installed |
| 16:23:24 | * | amiconn hates menu animations |
| 16:24:02 | amiconn | They cost both ui time and cpu performance, with no benefit |
| 16:24:37 | linuxstb | preglow: Seems that's the new Enhanced AC-3 spec... The old spec is here - http://alsa.cybermirror.org/datasheets/dolby/a_52.pdf |
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| 16:25:50 | rasher | amiconn: Some people would disagree with the "no benefit" part. |
| 16:26:25 | Llorean | No functional benefit, and an aesthetic benefit of dubious quality, especially relative to any associated costs, then? |
| 16:27:32 | rasher | The "of dubious quality, especially relative to any associated costs" part is entirely dependent on who you ask |
| 16:27:51 | Llorean | That's why it's dubious quality. Not everyone wants it. |
| 16:29:12 | * | rasher decides that creating a proper debian package of something not distributed as tarballs is too hard |
| 16:29:21 | preglow | linuxstb: i don't really care too much about that specific case, just wondering if there's any point in bothering about codec options at all |
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| 16:31:13 | rasher | bluebrother: Does rbutilqt look for rbutil.ini in /etc/ ? |
| 16:35:34 | linuxstb | preglow: I don't think there's enough potential options to warrant a new mechanism for codec-specific settings. Anything we want to add, we could just use global settings for. |
| 16:36:13 | bluebrother | rasher: no. It uses its compiled-in rbutil.ini or (for portable installation) in the program folder |
| 16:36:49 | rasher | Aha, why different for portable installation? |
| 16:36:50 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, and the fact that no one has bothered asking so far is a good indication it's not needed |
| 16:37:07 | preglow | linuxstb: know what this fella means? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7266 |
| 16:37:19 | bluebrother | well, portable installations usually have the configuration in the program folder ;) |
| 16:37:38 | bluebrother | but ideally rbutil.ini is always the compiled-in version so it can't get lost. |
| 16:37:53 | bluebrother | wouldn't be that of an issue for linux but I bet for windows users |
| 16:38:39 | n1s | I agree with amiconn about the animations, have been using my old phone this week, no animations in the UI makes it much faster to navigate, where my newer phone that probably has a cpu twice as fast lags like hell when navigating fast |
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| 16:39:55 | * | bluebrother still uses a phone without animations and likes it |
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| 16:40:56 | markun | bluebrother: wouldn't surprise me if a lot of rockbox devs have very basic phones |
| 16:41:12 | rasher | I'm not saying I personally want animations. And of course, it should not be done so as to make the interface seem sluggish. I'm just saying that animations are not "obviously useless" |
| 16:41:22 | markun | mine has a b/w screen and virtually no extras |
| 16:41:22 | rasher | I would like an option to turn them off though.. |
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| 16:49:08 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm not sure what you're asking me... I assume he's asking about adjusting the downmixing co-efficients to something different to the A/52 standard. |
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| 16:50:27 | markun | linuxstb: I think so too. Looks pretty clear. |
| 16:50:56 | amiconn | rasher: Looks like open2() is the way to go. This way the vbscript is still able to display messages (for verbose operation) on its own, via stderr |
| 16:51:06 | preglow | linuxstb: ok, sounds like a straight reject to me, i don't know why anyone would want that |
| 16:51:12 | n1s | markun: did you see my idea about grouping fonts and let the gui request a font with a max size? |
| 16:51:17 | Nico_P | how long am I supposed ot hold MENU+SELECT to reboot an ipod 3G ? |
| 16:51:21 | markun | n1s: no |
| 16:51:31 | rasher | amiconn: good point. Can it detect V=1 being set? |
| 16:51:41 | rasher | I guess ther perl script could tell it, if not |
| 16:51:42 | linuxstb | Nico_P: The key combinations are different on the 3G |
| 16:51:42 | amiconn | We need to pass that |
| 16:52:05 | linuxstb | Nico_P: http://ipodlinux.org/Key_Combinations |
| 16:52:08 | amiconn | Or, if the cygwin env vars are standard env vars, it should be able to read it |
| 16:52:16 | markun | preglow: is AC3 the only multichannel format we support? |
| 16:52:37 | rasher | amiconn: no idea if they are |
| 16:52:42 | linuxstb | Other codecs, even mpeg, support multichannel. But the Rockbox decoders don't. |
| 16:52:48 | n1s | markun: basically I suggested that fonts in the same font are grouped together in someway and a UI screen can request a font with a max height of say 20 pixels, if the userfont is larger, a smaller one in the same group is used |
| 16:52:50 | amiconn | Needs testing in my test script pair |
| 16:53:11 | markun | n1s: like a "nimbus" group, right? |
| 16:53:21 | n1s | yes |
| 16:54:02 | Nico_P | linuxstb: thanks |
| 16:55:26 | Nico_P | the manual and bootloader mignt need to be changed |
| 16:55:43 | amiconn | The bootloader *is* changed in svn |
| 16:55:48 | Nico_P | ah |
| 16:55:58 | Nico_P | I got mine with rbutil |
| 16:57:15 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Call yourself a developer? ;) |
| 16:57:35 | * | Nico_P has his translator hat one right now |
| 16:57:42 | Nico_P | s/one/on |
| 16:57:51 | * | linuxstb mentions MoB |
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| 16:58:24 | Nico_P | I did make a couple new commits yesterday |
| 16:58:41 | Nico_P | but currently I'm supposed to be focusing on resits I have soon |
| 16:59:54 | preglow | markun: i think ac3 is all that supports decoding more than two channels in a sensible way |
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| 17:00:05 | preglow | but i don't get why anyone would want to change the stereo mixdown from anything but the spec |
| 17:00:14 | Nico_P | bluebrother: the talkfile creation button makes rbutil segfault here |
| 17:00:33 | linuxstb | preglow: What do you mean by "sensible way" ? What's wrong with, e.g., storing 5 channels in a FLAC file? |
| 17:00:48 | Nico_P | bluebrother: actually no, "ASSERT failure in QSettings: "empty key", file io/qsettings.cpp, line 235" |
| 17:01:13 | linuxstb | preglow: Or are you just talking about lossy compression? |
| 17:01:42 | Nico_P | I guess there is a missing error check there, I might go and check it |
| 17:03:34 | markun | linuxstb: maybe that there is no convension for which channel should be at which location |
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| 17:07:06 | preglow | linuxstb: i mean changint the downmixing coefficients |
| 17:07:12 | preglow | why we'd want to allow that |
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| 17:09:56 | amiconn | rasher: it works. |
| 17:10:13 | rasher | amiconn: Neat |
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| 17:21:32 | Cruleworld | Badger You there? |
| 17:23:11 | bluebrother | Nico_P: what system? I tried on linux, worked fine |
| 17:23:28 | Nico_P | bluebrother: linux too, but I haven't entered any TTS settings |
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| 17:28:01 | bluebrother | ah, that might be the reason. But it should give you an error instead ... |
| 17:28:14 | bluebrother | will check. |
| 17:28:35 | rasher | Why would any tts settings be needed? |
| 17:29:09 | bluebrother | you need to choose the profile. And if the setting doesn't exist ... |
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| 17:32:43 | bluebrother | Nico_P: strange −− I only get a "path to encoder wrong" error |
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| 17:33:42 | O112358 | argh i'm so confused |
| 17:34:35 | O112358 | has anyone else had mysterious problems with their h300 usbotg before? |
| 17:35:37 | markun | O112358: no, do you think it's rockbox related? |
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| 17:36:40 | O112358 | markun: I'm not sure, it used to work before i had rockbox, but i'm not sure if it worked with rockbox aswell.. |
| 17:37:27 | petur | O112358: usbotg is not (yet) supported in rockbox |
| 17:38:08 | O112358 | petur: yeah, i've been switching to original firmware for usbotg though |
| 17:38:57 | Nico_P | bluebrother: yes it's strange... have you chosed a profile ? I haven't even done that |
| 17:39:32 | bluebrother | no, I even removed the configuration file completely (~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxUtility.ini) |
| 17:40:29 | preglow | hmm, perhaps i should have a shot at making the ipod fiq also write interleaved 16 bit samples to the dac |
| 17:42:20 | markun | preglow: would it solve any problems? |
| 17:43:27 | preglow | markun: well, we'd spend less time in fiqs |
| 17:46:20 | Llorean | Could that improve responsiveness a little during playback? |
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| 18:01:39 | XCrazyXLegsX | hello? |
| 18:01:45 | XCrazyXLegsX | hello? |
| 18:01:53 | DerPapst | no |
| 18:02:00 | DerPapst | i can't hear you |
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| 18:02:07 | XCrazyXLegsX | yo can Rockbox play radio |
| 18:02:20 | DerPapst | yo on some targets |
| 18:02:35 | XCrazyXLegsX | wat do u mean? |
| 18:03:11 | linuxstb | What kind of mp3 player (iriver, Sansa, archos, ipod, etc) do you have? |
| 18:03:33 | XCrazyXLegsX | Ipod 4G Color |
| 18:03:38 | DerPapst | heh |
| 18:03:51 | DerPapst | afaik the iPod doesn't have any radio. |
| 18:03:53 | linuxstb | Then no, there is no radio tuner inside the ipods... |
| 18:04:26 | XCrazyXLegsX | o and does anybody have a link to ipod linux for 4G Color |
| 18:04:35 | linuxstb | http://ipodlinux.org |
| 18:04:54 | Llorean | XCrazyXLegsX: You were in here earlier asking the exact same thing, and getting the same answers... |
| 18:05:13 | XCrazyXLegsX | I tried that and i bricked my ipod like a milion times they say they dont support 4G Color |
| 18:05:24 | linuxstb | XCrazyXLegsX: And why is that our problem? |
| 18:05:45 | XCrazyXLegsX | guess it not how do u record yourself through the headphones? |
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| 18:06:20 | XCrazyXLegsX | ?? |
| 18:06:33 | linuxstb | Go into the "Recording" menu, start recording, and then shout loudly into your headphones. |
| 18:06:54 | XCrazyXLegsX | I know that but how is it doing it?? |
| 18:07:31 | DerPapst | do you mean the technical aspect? |
| 18:07:40 | XCrazyXLegsX | yeah |
| 18:07:43 | webguest76 | Im trying to make a theme could someone tell me how to start off or give me a program to help me? |
| 18:07:47 | linuxstb | The right channel in the headphone socket doubles as a mic input. |
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| 18:08:11 | markun | webguest76: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking |
| 18:08:21 | XCrazyXLegsX | o wow so if i but it in the computer where a mic should be would it work |
| 18:08:27 | DerPapst | webguest76: the program is called notepad.exe :P |
| 18:08:46 | markun | webguest76: or maybe http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 18:09:08 | webguest76 | thanks but i have a theme already im trying to port it |
| 18:09:08 | DerPapst | anyways... |
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| 18:09:54 | webguest76 | What could I do if i wanted to port a theme |
| 18:10:21 | XCrazyXLegsX | i tried to port a theme |
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| 18:10:30 | XCrazyXLegsX | and then my ipod wasnt working |
| 18:10:53 | Llorean | webguest76: The exact same things you do to create a theme, you're just modifying one instead of starting from scratch. |
| 18:11:26 | webguest76 | What file would I have to modify? |
| 18:11:44 | Llorean | The wps file... |
| 18:11:54 | Llorean | Have you read those pages? |
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| 18:12:23 | webguest76 | And what if the theme is for another player model could I convert it somehow for usage with another player? |
| 18:13:05 | Llorean | webguest76: Read those pages, please. You'll see how to modify one. |
| 18:13:12 | webguest76 | Ok |
| 18:13:45 | markun | XCrazyXLegsX, webguest76: and why do you use 2 nicks? |
| 18:14:15 | markun | it makes it a pretty confusing |
| 18:14:20 | markun | -a |
| 18:14:22 | webguest76 | Sh** Cuz I knew u guys wouldnt answer me so |
| 18:14:33 | webguest76 | i made another forgetting about ip |
| 18:14:33 | Llorean | markun: Same reason he changed nicks from the one he used earlier today |
| 18:14:40 | webguest76 | exactly |
| 18:14:44 | webguest76 | damn u guys are good |
| 18:14:48 | Llorean | webguest76: But then you asked the exact same questions. |
| 18:14:48 | webguest76 | hi five |
| 18:14:49 | webguest76 | lol |
| 18:15:08 | webguest76 | And it couldnt be a coincendence |
| 18:15:09 | webguest76 | ?? |
| 18:15:15 | Llorean | It's not you that would keep you from being answered, it's the questions you ask. If anyone came in asking for help with iPodLinux they'd get the same response. |
| 18:15:21 | pondlife | amiconn: Don't know if you've already checked (or discussed) it, but perhaps the last commit fixed your iPod lockup-with-talk-clips problem? |
| 18:15:37 | Llorean | It doesn't matter if it's coincidence: Questions that are answered in the docs get pointed to the docs. |
| 18:15:51 | webguest76 | o i guess ur right |
| 18:16:04 | webguest76 | but the manual is 154 pgs |
| 18:16:09 | webguest76 | i cant read THAT fast |
| 18:16:16 | Llorean | So take your time. |
| 18:16:19 | pondlife | 154 pages of goodness... |
| 18:16:34 | bluebrother | worth every penny ;-) |
| 18:16:41 | webguest76 | Goodness?!?! |
| 18:16:45 | pondlife | Every time I look at the manual I learn some little new thing. |
| 18:16:46 | webguest76 | What the hell is this? |
| 18:16:49 | webguest76 | LOL |
| 18:16:52 | webguest76 | Goodness |
| 18:16:54 | webguest76 | ..... |
| 18:16:57 | markun | "/ignore -replies 46177202@*" doesn't work, what am I doing wrong? |
| 18:17:24 | Llorean | pondlife: Of course the most interesting tweaks are undocumented it often seems. |
| 18:17:29 | Llorean | And I always forget which ones are. |
| 18:17:35 | Llorean | Is fixed.cfg documented yet, for example? |
| 18:18:18 | rasher | markun: misisng a *!? |
| 18:18:22 | rasher | eh |
| 18:18:25 | markun | maybe |
| 18:18:30 | rasher | Missing a '*!'? |
| 18:18:59 | webguest76 | Do I open the WPEntrust Signed Document in Notepad |
| 18:19:00 | webguest76 | ?? |
| 18:19:15 | bluebrother | with your fingertips. |
| 18:19:22 | bluebrother | be careful or it will explode |
| 18:19:24 | pondlife | Use the force. |
| 18:19:29 | bluebrother | *ommm* |
| 18:19:32 | Llorean | webguest76: It's not an WPEntrust Signed Document, some program on your computer stupidly told it all files named .wps are that, I guess. |
| 18:19:46 | Llorean | webguest76: Run notepad, choose open, browse to file, open. It's the same as opening any file with notepad. |
| 18:19:47 | * | pondlife suddenly understands |
| 18:19:56 | webguest76 | O ok |
| 18:20:06 | markun | rasher: still doesn't work :) |
| 18:20:23 | bluebrother | or install gvim and use the "edit with vim" context menu entry ;-) |
| 18:20:32 | pondlife | Maybe RbUtil can overwrite the file association info in Windows :) |
| 18:20:48 | * | Llorean never could get the hang of vi |
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| 18:21:06 | pondlife | a la Quicktime - .mp3 could be named "Rockbox Music File" |
| 18:21:45 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 18:21:45 | webguest76 | Does the background have to be the size of the screen? |
| 18:22:04 | Llorean | webguest76: What does the CustomWPS wiki page say about it? |
| 18:22:05 | petur | yes |
| 18:22:48 | webguest76 | It says you have to make it the same size but the it looks all distorted |
| 18:23:47 | `sam` | does anybody know about this "bitmap resize patches", i think i need to compile with that for the theme i want to work |
| 18:24:16 | Llorean | `sam`: They exist, and some themes expect them for album art, yes. |
| 18:26:49 | `sam` | Llorean, do you know where that patch is? |
| 18:26:59 | Llorean | I would assume it's in the patch tracker. |
| 18:27:36 | `sam` | nevermind... i should look more closely next time.. i thought there was just that one page of patches :) |
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| 18:59:03 | bluebrother | hi Domonoky |
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| 19:00:30 | Domonoky | hi bluebrother.. |
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| 19:03:39 | `sam` | well i patched it, but the theme isn't working right with my build... |
| 19:04:11 | `sam` | it's working in the EvilG build though |
| 19:04:35 | bluebrother | I think rbutilqt has reached m1 stage ... what do you think? |
| 19:05:26 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: if all the ticks are to be believed - then yes :) |
| 19:05:41 | Domonoky | yes i think we reached m1.. |
| 19:05:43 | GodEater_ | binary time! |
| 19:05:50 | bluebrother | GodEater_: well, try yourself. And please tell if you find errors ;-) |
| 19:05:58 | GodEater_ | ok |
| 19:06:05 | `sam` | is there an option to set the select button to select stuff on the menu? because that is the way it worked before, but with the EvilG build i have to use the >> forward button to select |
| 19:06:09 | Domonoky | it would only be nice to resolve the wrong urls before making binarys |
| 19:06:33 | bluebrother | you mean the links to copy.rockbox-themes.org and the bootloader-info stuff? |
| 19:06:47 | Domonoky | with wron urls, i mean the non-official theme site.. where is scorche ? and the bootloaders-info file |
| 19:06:56 | Domonoky | jop |
| 19:07:23 | GodEater_ | scorche was having trouble with no zip libs built into the php version on the hosting site |
| 19:07:33 | Domonoky | the bootloaders-info file is easy to resolve, somebody just has to move it to the download server .. |
| 19:07:34 | bluebrother | :( |
| 19:07:37 | GodEater_ | so he was going to try using syscalls to run the zip binary |
| 19:07:47 | GodEater_ | that was yesterday though |
| 19:07:50 | GodEater_ | no idea how he got on |
| 19:08:00 | GodEater_ | he got a mass order of Gigabeat S to process today |
| 19:08:08 | bluebrother | well, if he could move the rbutilqt.php script to the official site it would help ... unless that page is really different. |
| 19:08:08 | GodEater_ | which probably distracted him |
| 19:08:20 | bluebrother | he sells or buys them? |
| 19:08:29 | GodEater_ | buys them |
| 19:08:42 | GodEater_ | one for me, one for linuxstb, and one for BigBambi |
| 19:08:54 | * | bluebrother wants more money |
| 19:09:22 | elinenbe_work | Who's buying the gigabeat S and from where? I'd like one! |
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| 19:10:39 | webguest76 | How come when i download a theme it doesnt come with icons |
| 19:10:40 | * | bluebrother just bumped rbutilqt version string |
| 19:10:41 | webguest76 | ?? |
| 19:10:51 | bluebrother | because it doesn't include icons? |
| 19:13:04 | webguest76 | how do i get the icons |
| 19:13:06 | webguest76 | ?? |
| 19:13:09 | bluebrother | !! |
| 19:13:14 | webguest76 | !! |
| 19:13:17 | bluebrother | xx |
| 19:13:17 | webguest76 | wait wat |
| 19:13:20 | bluebrother | ww |
| 19:13:51 | webguest76 | how do i get the icons |
| 19:13:53 | bluebrother | well, I thought I just use 2 characters only for my sentences. Nice, isn't it? Save so much space. |
| 19:14:16 | GodEater_ | lol |
| 19:14:16 | bluebrother | what are "the icons"? You can download and install icons. |
| 19:14:27 | Domonoky | webguest76: which icons.. if a theme doesnt include icons, it doesnt have icons.. |
| 19:14:29 | bluebrother | if your theme doesn't ship with icons then it doesn't ship icons. Period. |
| 19:14:47 | webguest76 | o well is there a website that has icons |
| 19:15:02 | * | bluebrother upx'es the current windows binary |
| 19:15:11 | bluebrother | no. There is a wiki page about icons |
| 19:15:17 | GodEater_ | where do we find these geniuses ? |
| 19:15:27 | Domonoky | wow, we have a french translation for rbutil.. |
| 19:15:34 | GodEater_ | yeah - neat hey ? |
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| 19:16:08 | webguest76 | could i have the icon wiki |
| 19:16:23 | GodEater_ | the rockbox wiki |
| 19:16:28 | GodEater_ | not "the icon wiki" |
| 19:16:45 | bluebrother | fast! someone setup "the icon wiki"! |
| 19:17:38 | GodEater_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomIcons |
| 19:17:40 | Domonoky | bluebrother: how big are such translations for rbutil ? is it feasable to include them in the zip.. or should we try to build something to download the translations from rbutil ? |
| 19:17:44 | webguest76 | thanks |
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| 19:17:59 | GodEater_ | and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IconSets |
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| 19:18:20 | GodEater_ | webguest76: in future, please use the wiki's search feature. We're not your personal google. |
| 19:19:26 | Nic0_P | Domonoky: not very big... the qm file for the french translation is 70635 B |
| 19:19:27 | bluebrother | french translation binary is 68kiB |
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| 19:19:53 | bluebrother | we could even include them in the resource file −− I added support when I did i18n. |
| 19:20:06 | Nic0_P | bluebrother: will the binary be distributed in a zip file ? |
| 19:20:22 | Nic0_P | bluebrother: how is that done ? (inclusion in resources) |
| 19:20:44 | bluebrother | possibly. I think the added crc check that the zip adds is useful |
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| 19:21:13 | bluebrother | just add it to rbutilqt.qrc to the lang folder (i.e. create a "folder" called lang) |
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| 19:22:05 | bluebrother | you need to make sure to lrelease the project before building the binary though. |
| 19:22:23 | DerPapst | GodEater?sarch=iconsets |
| 19:22:35 | DerPapst | *search even :P |
| 19:22:38 | bluebrother | rbutilqt will look in the resource for a translation and in the current folder. Not sure in which order. |
| 19:22:39 | Nic0_P | bluebrother: I did that with the trnaslaton utility I think |
| 19:22:56 | GodEater_ | DerPapst: search = icons |
| 19:23:21 | bluebrother | Nic0_P: no −− at least not in svn. But IMO we shouldn't include translations in the binary until final release |
| 19:24:11 | Nic0_P | bluebrother: I kept the qm file locally as I doubt we want it versioned |
| 19:24:28 | bluebrother | yes −− we only need the ts file in svn |
| 19:25:00 | Domonoky | bluebrother: found a bug.. the button to browse for a encoder exe doesnt work.. |
| 19:25:09 | Nic0_P | once I changed rbutilqt.qrc, what should I do ? make ? then how do I know if the lang is in the binary ? |
| 19:25:35 | bluebrother | oops :) |
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| 19:25:56 | bluebrother | Nic0_P: just remove the qm file from the executable folder |
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| 19:26:53 | Domonoky | bluebrother: will you fix it.. or should i try to do it ? |
| 19:27:01 | bluebrother | I'll do. |
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| 19:27:14 | Nic0_P | bluebrother: yay it works :) |
| 19:27:28 | Domonoky | there is no browseEnc function.. :-) |
| 19:27:38 | bluebrother | ok, rbutil will search the local folder first. |
| 19:27:50 | bluebrother | Domonoky: yep ... seems I simply missed that. |
| 19:28:45 | bluebrother | but ... do you think the tree browser is good for browsing to a binary? |
| 19:28:51 | Nic0_P | bluebrother: it seems the "at" between the selected device and the mount point isn't translatable |
| 19:29:01 | bluebrother | the list will get quite long, especially for folders like /usr/bin |
| 19:29:14 | bluebrother | otoh, as we try to autodetect from the path variable ... |
| 19:29:33 | Domonoky | bluebrother: yeah it could be better.. :-) or maybe just use the normal filechooser dialog |
| 19:30:10 | bluebrother | that was my idea. I wanted the tree selector for folder selection. Didn't think about file selection ... |
| 19:30:23 | Domonoky | if you do a normal install of espeak/ lame on windows, you dont get the exes in the path.. |
| 19:30:39 | bluebrother | yep ... but I'm not developing on windows ;-) |
| 19:30:44 | Domonoky | :-) |
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| 19:33:28 | bluebrother | Nic0_P: you translated that "at" with ... "at" ;-) |
| 19:33:43 | bluebrother | it's the string <b>%1 %2</b> at <b>%3</b> in RbUtilQt |
| 19:33:45 | Nic0_P | oh |
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| 19:34:33 | bluebrother | (it's <manufacturer> <player> at <mountpoing> −− the two parts at the beginning could be confusing) |
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| 19:36:11 | bluebrother | ok, I think we should add some kind of help entry to the about menu in rbutil. |
| 19:36:38 | bluebrother | do we want to add some small "online"-help later? It could be a simple html page explaining the basics |
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| 19:37:07 | Domonoky | some online help would be nice |
| 19:37:47 | bluebrother | I'll add a help entry for now and try to link it to the rbutilqt wiki page. |
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| 19:51:36 | bluebrother | ok, current version is available at http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt.zip |
| 19:52:11 | bluebrother | Bagder: do we want this on the download server? If yes then please move (and ping me when done so I can go and make some noise in the forums :) |
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| 19:55:09 | * | Domonoky commited another fix for rbutil.. :-) |
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| 19:59:04 | preglow | things are happening on the rbutil front, i see... |
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| 20:00:59 | * | bluebrother leave for some hours ... can update the binary later today |
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| 20:14:13 | n1s | petur: shouldn't the LANG_PM_CLIPCOUNT string be marked as SYSFONT as it is used in the rec screen? |
| 20:15:18 | petur | probably, yes |
| 20:15:41 | n1s | There's a question about it in FS #7675 |
| 20:16:35 | petur | hmmm |
| 20:17:34 | petur | better change it I think |
| 20:18:10 | petur | that will mean deprecate the existing and adding a new one I fear? |
| 20:18:31 | n1s | petur: not if you change the ID in all lang files |
| 20:18:42 | petur | oh fun |
| 20:18:57 | petur | exactly what I needed tonight :) |
| 20:19:05 | petur | extra work... |
| 20:19:23 | n1s | it's only present in 4, I can do it, if you don't have time |
| 20:19:49 | webguest76 | OK if i have a mp4 player and its not listed under the rockbox models how will i know which it is |
| 20:20:03 | petur | only 4... that should be doable... |
| 20:20:11 | n1s | webguest76: how should we know? |
| 20:20:22 | n1s | petur: oh, 4 + english |
| 20:20:36 | webguest76 | why the hell are u flaming me on n1s |
| 20:20:37 | webguest76 | ?? |
| 20:21:01 | petur | webguest76: that was not flaming at all |
| 20:21:08 | Llorean | webguest76: Maybe because it's a rather silly question. None of us can see the player, you bought it, and Rockbox only runs on the listed ones. |
| 20:21:37 | webguest76 | What if the player looks like a nano could it work? |
| 20:21:57 | linuxstb | Not unless it _is_ a Nano. |
| 20:21:57 | Llorean | Rockbox ONLY runs on the listed ones. |
| 20:22:06 | webguest76 | ok |
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| 20:27:05 | desowin | yea, the market is quite full of cheap chinese forges of good players... |
| 20:28:00 | Llorean | desowin: A lot of those use the s1mp3 hardware, which I believe someone is supposedly working on a replacement firmware for, unrelated to Rockbox. |
| 20:28:07 | Llorean | As they want to use a BSD-like license, it seems. |
| 20:28:37 | preglow | jhMikeS: there? |
| 20:29:48 | jhMikeS | preglow: yep. good timing too. |
| 20:30:21 | preglow | i do that |
| 20:30:43 | preglow | jhMikeS: what do you figure i'd need to do in the wm drivers for making ipod i2s transfers 2x16 bit too? |
| 20:30:53 | preglow | jhMikeS: seems all you did in the as driver was change the pll control reg |
| 20:31:32 | jhMikeS | no, it was set that way because clocking was bad |
| 20:31:56 | preglow | so you don't do shit in the as driver? it's all pp side? |
| 20:32:30 | jhMikeS | I changed the i2s setup to 16-bit. Set the PLL to the correct value just wrote the packed values to the TX fifo. |
| 20:33:18 | jhMikeS | A wm test did record ok but silence on playback. perhaps the format register will make a difference there. |
| 20:35:44 | preglow | what format reg? |
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| 20:36:15 | jhMikeS | on the WM codec. I can't remeber the name but it's in the drivers there. |
| 20:36:56 | preglow | only format reg i found was part of AINTFCE |
| 20:37:01 | jhMikeS | yeah |
| 20:37:21 | preglow | where you can select between 32, 24, 20 and 16 |
| 20:37:24 | preglow | currently set to 16 |
| 20:37:34 | pixelma | petur: I planned to update the german translation tonight, shall I wait a bit? |
| 20:37:35 | joseph_ | what is the amount of ram on an ipod video ? |
| 20:37:53 | GodEater_ | joseph_: depends on which model |
| 20:37:59 | petur | pixelma: change was just committed |
| 20:38:04 | GodEater_ | 30GB has 32MB, the 60/80 both have 64MB |
| 20:38:04 | jhMikeS | I wonder if that's right though. It might need 32? |
| 20:38:22 | joseph_ | 60gig, so 64MB, right? |
| 20:38:24 | preglow | jhMikeS: why, really? if anything, it should be 32 now |
| 20:38:27 | GodEater_ | joseph_: correct |
| 20:38:29 | pixelma | petur: good, should have waited on more minute with the question :) |
| 20:38:34 | pixelma | *one |
| 20:39:22 | jhMikeS | The clocking register could be wrong as well. |
| 20:40:12 | jhMikeS | AS3514 runs as a slave since that's all it can be but the WMs run as i2s master |
| 20:41:37 | jhMikeS | heh, you don't think I went through alot of pain to get it right on e200? that other clocking reg was a lucky find indeed. |
| 20:42:04 | preglow | don't expect no such thing, but you did mention in the commit log fixing it on ipods should be done in a matter of minutes :P |
| 20:43:03 | jhMikeS | Would think so. Given recording did work as packed, playback can't be too far off. |
| 20:43:17 | jhMikeS | have you even tested it? |
| 20:44:01 | preglow | nopes, just reading the datasheet for now |
| 20:44:10 | preglow | guess i should just try it |
| 20:44:14 | preglow | can't try out no recording, though |
| 20:44:58 | * | jhMikeS says it _could_ be 525,949.2 x N minutes |
| 20:47:28 | joseph_ | jhMikeS, hi what are the chances your fix for the scrollwheel can be adapted to the ipod? |
| 20:48:46 | jhMikeS | joseph_: pretty certain if the driver sends the right info |
| 20:49:31 | GodEater_ | joseph_: as linuxstb said earlier, we think the button driver for the wheel needs to send deltas |
| 20:49:36 | GodEater_ | correct jhMikeS ? |
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| 20:50:23 | jhMikeS | bit 31 recomends no acceleration or skipping. bits 30-24 = skip delta. the remainder are clicks/uS sent as fixed 0.24 |
| 20:51:08 | preglow | why, unless i've messed up again, this works |
| 20:51:14 | GodEater_ | jhMikeS: so the driver is not fillin in bits 30-24 currently ? |
| 20:51:16 | preglow | probably me messing up |
| 20:51:19 | jhMikeS | actually bit 31 _set_ recommends it. sansa wheel driver has slow mode which never skips |
| 20:51:35 | amiconn | preglow: There is a bit in a WM* register where you can select to transfer 2 16bit samples packed into a 32bit word. It's called DSP mode iirc |
| 20:51:44 | preglow | amiconn: really now |
| 20:52:21 | jhMikeS | GodEater_: you won't get acceleration without computing the velocity and setting bit 31 as well. I recomend not setting bit 31 at really low speed so that fine control is kept. |
| 20:52:29 | linuxstb | GodEater: Llorean said that. I didn't know what needed doing. |
| 20:52:51 | GodEater_ | jhMikeS: gotcha |
| 20:53:00 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: I do beg your pardon |
| 20:53:11 | Llorean | Yes, I accept any blame |
| 20:53:16 | preglow | well, i changed the i2s mode to 16 bit, and changed the asm, and i'm listening to music right now |
| 20:53:20 | preglow | stereo and all |
| 20:53:25 | jhMikeS | GodEater_: just read the e200 scrollwheel function. you also need an acceleration factor defines as well as HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL |
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| 20:53:57 | jhMikeS | preglow: I guess it really is minutes. go figure. |
| 20:53:58 | GodEater_ | whilst I shall certainly take a look at this, I by no means promise to implement it! |
| 20:54:37 | linuxstb | GodEater: pardon granted. |
| 20:54:42 | jhMikeS | It's kind of a by-feel thing for picking the factor and when bit 31 should be set. |
| 20:54:42 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, i figure you tried this as well, so it's probably just luck it works here |
| 20:55:04 | * | petur wants to commit 7669 :) |
| 20:55:08 | jhMikeS | preglow: I did no personal experimenting on a WM based device. |
| 20:56:00 | Llorean | Doods, vot3 for 7669! It's l337 |
| 20:56:10 | petur | rofl |
| 20:56:12 | jhMikeS | preglow: run it packed for each verified device? |
| 20:56:32 | preglow | if i keep the asm as it is and change to 16 bit mode only in iisconfig, it's twice as slow |
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| 20:56:44 | preglow | jhMikeS: only got a nano here |
| 20:57:12 | preglow | and i don't know if we know how to set this stuff up on pp5002 |
| 20:57:21 | jhMikeS | Well, change it for nano then :) |
| 20:57:30 | linuxstb | preglow: So nothing to change in the wm driver? |
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| 20:57:37 | preglow | linuxstb: nah, don't look like it |
| 20:57:43 | preglow | linuxstb: and there's no reason either, now i think about it |
| 20:58:02 | linuxstb | So it _should_ be OK on all PP502x... |
| 20:58:06 | preglow | i2s format is the same no matter what is transmitted in it |
| 20:58:12 | preglow | linuxstb: care to test on some of the ones you've got? |
| 20:58:28 | linuxstb | Just commit and wait for complaints ;) |
| 20:58:28 | fm2 | linuxstb: I've just uploaded the final shortcuts patch. Thank you for your help! |
| 20:58:29 | amiconn | preglow: You do need to change a WM register, don't you? |
| 20:58:36 | preglow | amiconn: well, not here |
| 20:58:52 | amiconn | eh? How does ta´hat work, then? |
| 20:59:05 | amiconn | s/ta´hat/that/ |
| 20:59:06 | linuxstb | preglow: Do you have a patch? |
| 20:59:20 | preglow | linuxstb: can cook up one fast |
| 20:59:49 | linuxstb | fm2: No problem. I don't use the shortcuts feature, so can't comment on the patch itself... |
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| 21:00:06 | GodEater_ | don't think many people here do |
| 21:00:16 | GodEater_ | I only have one case I use it in |
| 21:00:22 | Llorean | It was a "public relations" feature. :-P |
| 21:00:27 | GodEater_ | and I've not had cause to change the shortcut since I installed it |
| 21:00:46 | GodEater_ | wasn't it fm2 who originally requested it ? :) |
| 21:01:02 | preglow | amiconn: well, i'm figuring it doesn't matter for the wm anyway, the i2s signal looks the same anyway |
| 21:01:07 | preglow | but i'm not i2s expert |
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| 21:01:43 | preglow | linuxstb: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/packed_16_i2s.patch |
| 21:01:49 | preglow | hack, just to test |
| 21:02:18 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: that's my preferred strategy. |
| 21:02:37 | preglow | haven't even touched recording |
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| 21:03:26 | dirkson | Heyo. Does the default rockbox loader support booting rockbox from a third partition? (I.e. I've stuck rockbox in a firmware partition, and am now having troubles making it boot) |
| 21:03:27 | jhMikeS | if H10 will take it...I guess the PCM patch can go in then and clean all that code up. |
| 21:03:45 | fm2 | Llorean: he-he. Yes, now nobody can say we don't support links (in a sense) |
| 21:04:12 | linuxstb | dirkson: The Rockbox bootloader will load Rockbox from the first FAT32 partition it finds. |
| 21:04:40 | linuxstb | dirkson: (and only mount that partition) |
| 21:05:22 | amiconn | preglow: The code isn't PP version specific, so it should work on all PP targets |
| 21:05:32 | dirkson | linuxstb, Alrighty. So it will load the first fat32 partition in the partition table, yes? |
| 21:05:49 | dirkson | linuxstb, And if there's another fat32 partition, it will ignore it. |
| 21:05:55 | preglow | amiconn: the i2s code ain't |
| 21:06:06 | fm2 | GodEater: yes, I wanted something like this. What I proposed was not exactly what shortcuts does, but shortcuts does fully satisfy me. Now I can sit back and be quiet :-) |
| 21:06:16 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I had a test done on H10 and silence came out during playback and the time was running double speed. only switching back to 32-bit unpacked did sound come back. |
| 21:06:32 | linuxstb | preglow: Hmm, it doesn't seem to work on my ipod color. I get the symptoms jhMikeS just described (2x speed, silence) |
| 21:06:41 | preglow | what about 5g? |
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| 21:06:58 | linuxstb | Which as confused me as I thought the Nano and Color shared the same codec... |
| 21:07:05 | linuxstb | s/as/has/ |
| 21:07:12 | fm2 | Hm... Why do I get a compile error in main.c:118 if using a custom VERSION file? |
| 21:07:15 | preglow | oh? i thought 5g and nano did |
| 21:07:15 | linuxstb | Haven't tried the 5g yet. |
| 21:07:27 | jhMikeS | PP5020 ruining everything of course :P |
| 21:07:30 | linuxstb | preglow: No, we didn't get sound on the 5g until much later than the Nano/Color. |
| 21:07:36 | fm2 | This is the line with const char appsversion[]=APPSVERSION; |
| 21:07:51 | preglow | linuxstb: codec shouldn't matter, pp revision should matter more |
| 21:07:55 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, remember now |
| 21:08:14 | linuxstb | So another case of the PP5020 not playing fair... |
| 21:08:22 | amiconn | Do nano and color really use the same wmcodec? |
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| 21:08:39 | linuxstb | Well, they use the same driver in Rockbox - HAVE_WM8975 |
| 21:08:39 | jhMikeS | rm target H10, iPod-Color ;) |
| 21:08:42 | fm2 | Ah, it contained a new line |
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| 21:09:06 | amiconn | If not, it most probably is a wmcodec problem |
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| 21:09:22 | amiconn | Maybe the codec in the nano autodetects i2s format, but some others do not |
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| 21:09:39 | preglow | the i2s format is the same, afaik, only the fifo reg format changes |
| 21:09:48 | amiconn | If it really wouldn't matter, I wonder why there is a bit for that |
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| 21:10:20 | amiconn | I would expect the i2s format to change if you set FIFO_FORMAT_LE16 |
| 21:10:55 | amiconn | Iiuc, i2s uses a word sync, which changes polarity every 32 bits right now, and with that change changes polarity every 16 bits |
| 21:11:12 | amiconn | Some codecs might auto-adjust to that, but not all |
| 21:11:31 | preglow | nah |
| 21:11:36 | preglow | it still changes polarity every 32 bits, i think |
| 21:11:46 | preglow | i don't think word clock ever changes polarity any more than that |
| 21:11:58 | preglow | the surplus bits are just ignored by the codec |
| 21:12:07 | jhMikeS | if it changes polarity sooner, the receiver is supposed to zero-fill to its internal word length |
| 21:12:38 | jhMikeS | if it's late, it should ignore extra bits |
| 21:15:02 | amiconn | Well, what it's supposed to do is one thing. What it actually does is not necessarily the same |
| 21:15:32 | jhMikeS | true. perhaps the AINTFCE bits need to be worked differently for each. |
| 21:15:33 | * | amiconn had to learn that every data sheet has to be taken with a grain of salt |
| 21:16:58 | jhMikeS | there's also the "SIZE_MASK" bits which could have effect. I never worked out what those really mean, but poking at that might work too. |
| 21:17:01 | * | petur is happy to see austriancoder is busy :) |
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| 21:18:01 | * | preglow wants to connect to his ipod! |
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| 21:18:19 | rasher | polygonal: Do I have the labels of the chinese languages right? |
| 21:18:30 | polygonal | hmm, will there be strong objection if I completely replace the current chinese-traditional translation with a "transcripted" chinese simp translation? |
| 21:18:40 | Llorean | "transcripted"? |
| 21:18:43 | rasher | polygonal: on my translate page, that is: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/ |
| 21:19:22 | polygonal | rasher: yeah! I think the labels are wrong a while ago on your website : ) |
| 21:19:44 | rasher | polygonal: Yes, someone mailed me about it. I was wondering if the fix was correct? |
| 21:19:49 | petur | rasher: do you know the reason why genlang strips the header (comment) of the langfile? |
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| 21:19:58 | polygonal | Llorean: the simp and trad version of chinese is translation by a one-to-one function, so to speak |
| 21:20:02 | linuxstb | preglow: Works fine on my 5g... |
| 21:20:08 | preglow | rasher: man, why isn't that page on rockbox.org? it's very nice |
| 21:20:11 | rasher | petur: It strips all comments (for whatever reason) |
| 21:20:16 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, i'm pretty sure it's a pp issue, then |
| 21:20:18 | polygonal | rasher: I was to tell you about it, but now it was right :) |
| 21:20:29 | petur | rasher: that's... too bad :/ |
| 21:21:16 | linuxstb | preglow: I know you normally ask me this, but what WM datasheet did we use for the Nano/Color? |
| 21:22:32 | polygonal | back to my original question: I'm getting too lazy to find out where the untranslated strings in the chinese-trad file; seems like the order is changed a lots... |
| 21:22:54 | polygonal | I wonder if a clear replace is a better option than tedious finds... |
| 21:22:57 | amiconn | Eh? |
| 21:23:17 | amiconn | From the config-*.h both color and nano use WM8975 |
| 21:23:28 | amiconn | ...while video uses WM8758 |
| 21:23:36 | amiconn | Very suspicious... |
| 21:23:52 | linuxstb | amiconn: Why suspicious? |
| 21:24:14 | amiconn | I think one of these must be wrong |
| 21:24:26 | polygonal | there is some slight difference in expression between the two chinese translations, but liguistically speaking there is no big difference between chinese simp and trad so there won't be big problems |
| 21:25:01 | amiconn | And yes, the AINTFCE register is what I meant (for WM8975) |
| 21:25:07 | polygonal | I can run the current chinese simp translation through some automatic translator and get a chinese-trad translation |
| 21:26:06 | linuxstb | amiconn: That's what's listed on the IPL wiki page - and I would expect they're identified from dissection photos. Although the Nano is listed as WM8975G, and the Color is WM8975 |
| 21:27:55 | amiconn | I would think FORMAT needs to be set to 0b11 (DSP) |
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| 21:28:11 | amiconn | LRP needs experimentation |
| 21:28:16 | preglow | linuxstb: 8750 |
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| 21:30:07 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm looking at the 8971... That matches wm8975.h |
| 21:31:29 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, I'll try DSP mode |
| 21:32:20 | preglow | i doubt that'll work |
| 21:32:47 | linuxstb | preglow: It doesn't take long to test... |
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| 21:34:51 | preglow | sure |
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| 21:36:04 | rasher | polygonal: I doubt any of us have knowledge to comment on the accuracy of automatic translations from simplified to traditional |
| 21:36:54 | Llorean | polygonal: Honestly, all most of us can do is hope that the translation is the best possible. If you think something will improve it, we'll welcome it even if we can't see the difference ourselves. |
| 21:37:06 | linuxstb | amiconn, preglow: I still get silence in DSP mode, but the elapsed time indicator in the WPS went back to normal. |
| 21:37:10 | linuxstb | ^normal speed |
| 21:37:30 | preglow | that doesn't indicate too much |
| 21:37:38 | linuxstb | I tried both DSP modes (the LRP bit). |
| 21:38:22 | preglow | i'm pretty sure it's a pp issue |
| 21:38:27 | preglow | too bad we don't have docs on that... |
| 21:39:43 | jhMikeS | try LRP |
| 21:40:11 | jhMikeS | DSP mode B |
| 21:40:21 | scorche | Domonoky: need something? |
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| 21:40:32 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I did. |
| 21:40:37 | jhMikeS | ah, ok |
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| 21:42:04 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Do you own any PP5020 devices yet? |
| 21:42:10 | jhMikeS | no messing with data size bits in IISCONFIG |
| 21:42:28 | Domonoky | scorche: when do you think will the new themes page go online ? |
| 21:42:29 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I'm looking to go shopping soon for a bunch of stuff I need |
| 21:43:00 | scorche | Domonoky: i thought we didnt give out timelines =P |
| 21:43:30 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 21:43:48 | * | amiconn builds preglow's patch for the 3 untested pp targets he has |
| 21:43:51 | polygonal | rasher: it should be about 99% accurate :) the difference between simp and trad is is on the way to write the characters, and there is well-known map of what character maps to what |
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| 21:44:51 | scorche | Domonoky: i dont know...i have proven myself wrong at each guess...i have a lot on my plate atm |
| 21:44:55 | polygonal | Llorean: I will post a patch of the automatically translated chinese-trad with some little fixes by me; it is at least better than some 100 missing strings |
| 21:45:22 | rasher | polygonal: I guess an automatic translation is okay in that case - we can always accept fixes in case of errors |
| 21:45:50 | polygonal | no obligation to accept it :) I hope there are users to test it out though since I personally use english interface and can do only limited testing |
| 21:46:08 | Domonoky | scorche: would it be possible to put the new rbutil.php into the old themepage without problems ? |
| 21:46:20 | * | jhMikeS sees lots of 20GB H10s on woot (if he didn't miss something about them being sold) |
| 21:46:29 | scorche | sure |
| 21:47:31 | scorche | Domonoky: would you like me to do that now?...and do you want it named rbutil.php again, or keep the rbutilqt.php |
| 21:48:00 | Domonoky | hm.. lets ask bluebrother first.. he has redone the theme thing.. |
| 21:48:54 | Domonoky | it would just be nice, that when rbutilQt goes live (binary aviable) for testing.. that it could use the correct theme page.. |
| 21:50:08 | Domonoky | hm in the old theme page it should be named rbutilqt.php, so that the wx version will be still working..(with the old php file) |
| 21:50:18 | scorche | yup |
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| 21:51:40 | scorche | rbutilqt.php is now on the current site |
| 21:51:59 | preglow | anywho, i can't do any picking on this, seeing as i have no targets that trouble me |
| 21:52:03 | Domonoky | nice.. i will change the url in rbutil and try it.. :-) |
| 21:52:05 | preglow | at least we know it kinda works now |
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| 21:52:56 | jhMikeS | this woot thing works weird |
| 21:53:18 | scorche | woot is great |
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| 21:54:02 | jhMikeS | but it's one item/day ... can't really pick what you want |
| 21:54:19 | * | jhMikeS hates shopping ... just ask his girlfriend :P |
| 21:54:30 | scorche | yeah...when they do sell something you want, it is usually pretty cheap though |
| 21:54:35 | scorche | and there are the wootoffs |
| 21:55:55 | Domonoky | is someone online with write access to download.rockbox.org ? |
| 21:56:39 | jhMikeS | woot seem more anxiety-inducing that wall street :0 |
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| 21:56:51 | Domonoky | if so: please move http://b23.org/~domonoky/bootloaders-info to http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/bootloaders-info |
| 21:56:55 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, patch seems to work on mini G2 |
| 21:57:03 | JGabcde | Could I have the link for the Rockbox Patch Installer Please |
| 21:57:34 | scorche | what rockbox patch installer? |
| 21:57:36 | Domonoky | JGabcde: what do you mean with "Rockbox Patch installer" ?? |
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| 21:58:11 | JGabcde | the program that installs the patchs for you |
| 21:58:19 | amiconn | ...and that's WM8721 (or rather WM8711 which is register compatible) |
| 21:58:40 | linuxstb_ | JGabcde: There isn't such a program. |
| 21:58:51 | scorche | there is no program that installs the patches...these are source code patches, which you then patch a copy of the source and compile |
| 21:59:14 | JGabcde | Is there like a noob lesson somewhere on how to do that |
| 21:59:33 | scorche | the wiki page SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 21:59:43 | JGabcde | Thats not simple. |
| 21:59:48 | JGabcde | Tried It |
| 21:59:53 | JGabcde | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 21:59:57 | linuxstb_ | It's as simple as compiling gets... |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:15 | scorche | it tells you the exact commands to type...what is so hard about that? |
| 22:00:25 | JGabcde | Ok ill try it again but its confusing |
| 22:00:26 | Llorean | JGabcde: Compiling and patching is not really a "noob" thing. You need at least some technical skill and ability to follow written directions to have a decent chance at succeeding. |
| 22:01:37 | JGabcde | its to confusing for me |
| 22:02:08 | linuxstb_ | JGabcde: Then your only alternative is to look for unofficial builds that already include the patches you are interested in using. |
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| 22:02:30 | JGabcde | They Have Those |
| 22:02:30 | JGabcde | ? |
| 22:02:43 | scorche | look in the forums... |
| 22:02:44 | linuxstb_ | See the "Unsupported Builds" forum |
| 22:04:46 | amiconn | 2nd gen has the same "double speed silence" problem (although not with mp3 because it can't keep up) |
| 22:05:38 | amiconn | SO something isn't quite right concerning the fifo format bits on both PP5020 and PP5002 |
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| 22:06:52 | amiconn | Ah, hmm, those definitions aren't used for PP5002 |
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| 22:08:21 | JGabcde | could i have a link to the "Unsupported Builds" forum |
| 22:08:22 | JGabcde | ?? |
| 22:08:41 | scorche | there is a link on the side of the page called "forums" |
| 22:11:05 | amiconn | preglow, linuxstb: Hmm, maybe PP5020 i2s fifo can't hande 2 packed 16 bit values per 32 bit register, and sends just 16 bits of it |
| 22:11:37 | amiconn | The solution might be to *not* change the fifo format to 16 bit, but still write packed values *and* set dsp mode in the wm codec |
| 22:16:34 | * | bluebrother returns and goes updating w32 binary ... |
| 22:16:47 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Don't you have a H10? (I've lost track of your collection of DAPs now...) |
| 22:16:54 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:17:09 | amiconn | hehe |
| 22:18:46 | bluebrother | how about a HowOwnsWhichDap wiki page? *g* |
| 22:19:28 | n1s | bluebrother: don't we already have something similar? |
| 22:19:36 | bluebrother | do we? |
| 22:19:46 | * | n1s searches the wiki |
| 22:20:07 | scorche | there are listings of that on the DevCon pages |
| 22:20:10 | rasher | I think we do.. |
| 22:20:36 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxTesting |
| 22:20:57 | JGabcde | Do i have to have a certain icon for my certain rockbox model? |
| 22:21:14 | n1s | ha, my memory still sort-of works :-) |
| 22:21:47 | bluebrother | ah, nice. |
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| 22:22:06 | amiconn | eurgh |
| 22:22:06 | rasher | very out of date |
| 22:22:20 | bluebrother | we could update it ;-) |
| 22:22:36 | scorche | JGabcde: a certain icon?...what are you talking about? |
| 22:22:41 | amiconn | That plays, but with only white noise coming from the right channel, and very distorted music from the left |
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| 22:23:19 | JGabcde | Ok i put in a icon set and i still see the regualar icons |
| 22:23:29 | bluebrother | then load the icons |
| 22:23:43 | bluebrother | they won't magically do that themselves. |
| 22:23:54 | JGabcde | i know i loaded them |
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| 22:24:12 | scorche | how? |
| 22:24:24 | * | Llorean adds himself to the RockboxTesting page. |
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| 22:25:19 | JGabcde | by going to load theme |
| 22:25:31 | JGabcde | browse* |
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| 22:26:11 | scorche | follow the instructions int he manual about loading an iconset, and come back to us if that still doesnt work |
| 22:26:29 | JGabcde | ok |
| 22:26:34 | amiconn | Now I have it playing without distortion + noise.... |
| 22:27:26 | amiconn | Had to adjust some more bits in IISCONFIG |
| 22:27:47 | jhMikeS | amiconn: you got the recipe? |
| 22:27:52 | * | amiconn wonders whether AS3514 could handle that format too |
| 22:28:09 | jhMikeS | as3514 is strict, by-the-book i2s |
| 22:28:47 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What I did: (1) take the asm for AS3514 (enabled preglow's patch). (2) revert the change in i2s-pp.c to use FIFO_FORMAT_LE32 |
| 22:28:50 | bluebrother | Llorean: I just noticed that I can't create topics in the announcement forums. Do I need to be in the developer group / admin to do so? |
| 22:29:18 | amiconn | (3) change it to use FORMAT_LJUST above, and change the size to (3 <<8) which I *believe* is 32 bit |
| 22:29:19 | Llorean | bluebrother: Yeah, announcement topics require Developer status. |
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| 22:29:33 | amiconn | (4) make thw WM8731 use DSP mode |
| 22:30:00 | Llorean | bluebrother: Mostly because I wanted to make sure anything posted there was always, always "Official" |
| 22:30:20 | amiconn | That's playing fine on H10 (the only target I tested it on so far) |
| 22:30:25 | Llorean | bluebrother: Though I guess you are a developer now, at least in regards to RBUtil |
| 22:30:28 | scorche | Llorean: i think it is time he moved up to developer...already has commit access and has been doing a bunch of coding lately |
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| 22:30:50 | Llorean | scorche: You're one step too slow on that |
| 22:30:52 | GodEater_ | we need one less green person |
| 22:31:00 | scorche | 2 seconds by my count |
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| 22:31:46 | Llorean | scorche: Yeah, but I said that *after* I changed him to a developer in the forums. :-P |
| 22:31:53 | scorche | hmph |
| 22:31:55 | Llorean | bluebrother: announce away |
| 22:31:55 | amiconn | jhMikeS: So either the 5020 cannot handle 16 bits per LRC, or we're not using the correct bits |
| 22:32:03 | bluebrother | Llorean: cool, thanks. |
| 22:32:21 | jhMikeS | amiconn: btw, I have a pp cache routine you might want to look at. I haven't been able to get it to behave but I'll post the disassembly and decompilation after testing these i2s changes |
| 22:32:21 | amiconn | (and I do believe that FIFO_FORMAT_LE16 indeed switches to 16 bit per LRC |
| 22:32:32 | bluebrother | now I only need to know if we'd move the rbutil binary to the official download server or not |
| 22:32:54 | amiconn | ...which makes changing the WM* setup unnecessary because it pads as per i2s specs |
| 22:33:08 | rasher | bluebrother: I'd say certanly yes |
| 22:33:21 | rasher | Perhaps Zagor is awake. He just joined. |
| 22:33:30 | * | bluebrother pings Zagor |
| 22:33:54 | * | Zagor wakes up |
| 22:34:03 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, what do you think about i2s-pp.c line 77? Maybe that statement doesn't apply to 5020, only to 5022+ ? |
| 22:34:07 | jhMikeS | amiconn: you think FIFO_FORMAT_LE16 actually sends 16-bits before switching LRCK, right? |
| 22:34:12 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:34:27 | jhMikeS | that would explain the double speed |
| 22:34:32 | jhMikeS | you mean the comment? |
| 22:34:35 | Zagor | bluebrother: rbutil binary location? |
| 22:34:36 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:34:51 | jhMikeS | I put that there since on e200 it made no difference |
| 22:34:52 | Domonoky | Zagor: can you please move http://b23.org/~domonoky/bootloaders-info to http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/bootloaders-info ? |
| 22:34:55 | bluebrother | Zagor: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt.zip |
| 22:35:27 | bluebrother | (I also labelled it "m1.0" as Milestone 1 internally, in case you want some version number) |
| 22:35:33 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The double speed would be due to the AS3514 asm code only writing *one* 32 bit value per sample "tick", expecting the PP to split that into 2 words on the i2s bus |
| 22:35:36 | jhMikeS | I put all the commenting and extra defines in there actually |
| 22:35:56 | amiconn | Did you actually test all values, and how? |
| 22:35:57 | jhMikeS | I was referring to the H10 double speed + silence |
| 22:36:17 | jhMikeS | I even tested and rand big-endian samples but forgot which do what |
| 22:36:24 | amiconn | Yes, but that would not be due to the 16 bits per LRC |
| 22:36:42 | jhMikeS | The LJUST requires an extra shift right to work properly since there's no dummy bit |
| 22:36:58 | jhMikeS | as3514 accepts any work length |
| 22:37:02 | jhMikeS | *word |
| 22:37:04 | amiconn | It doesn't with DSP format |
| 22:37:26 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe I'm not clear enough |
| 22:37:37 | amiconn | The WM codecs also seem to accept any word length |
| 22:38:03 | amiconn | But FIFO_FORMAT_LE16 doesn't seem to do what it is supposed to do on PP5020 |
| 22:38:18 | jhMikeS | with those settings I get double speed |
| 22:38:23 | amiconn | So i2s will still be in 32 bit mode, and send both samples in one LRC cycle |
| 22:38:49 | jhMikeS | I could set the clock divider to 0xf instead of 0x7 |
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| 22:38:49 | Zagor | bluebrother: sorry I have not followed this. is this a qt version for windows? |
| 22:38:56 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 22:39:03 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, you get double speed on AS3514 as AS3514 doesn't have dsp mode |
| 22:39:27 | bluebrother | oh, have you moved the bootloader-info file already? In that case I could also fix the url in rbutilqt |
| 22:39:37 | jhMikeS | it sounds ok otherwise |
| 22:39:40 | Zagor | i'll do that now |
| 22:40:05 | amiconn | jhMikeS: That won't help. YOu get double speed because your AS3514 is only playing samples from one channel, alternated between both output channels |
| 22:40:07 | bluebrother | ok. Gimme a minute and you'll get an updated download too. |
| 22:40:07 | jhMikeS | will check the divider change. I also need to be sure it's accurate with wave interference test |
| 22:40:30 | amiconn | Try an L-R test file |
| 22:41:03 | jhMikeS | I've got a whole #audio_tests directory on every player :) |
| 22:41:16 | amiconn | But maybe we can live with different i2s setup for sansa and ipod, as long as we get the same benefit? (half as many fiqs) |
| 22:41:44 | jhMikeS | yeah, I get mono and nasty wrapping noises |
| 22:41:46 | amiconn | I'm quite certain you'll only hear one of the source channels (not sure which one) |
| 22:42:02 | bluebrother | Zagor: zip updated. |
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| 22:43:14 | jhMikeS | LJUST will make it wrap since it expects the dummy bit which isn't there |
| 22:43:31 | Zagor | bluebrother: how about I'll simply call it rbutilqt-v1.0.zip. I'm not too fond of all this 0.x mucking about for things that are actually working. |
| 22:43:36 | amiconn | Yes, and WM* in DSP mode expects no dummy bit |
| 22:44:00 | bluebrother | ok. I don't care too much about version strings either ;-) |
| 22:44:23 | jhMikeS | that's sort of the way I went about finding all that stuff out, just deducing it from the audio behavior |
| 22:45:00 | jhMikeS | now I have mono but no wrapping noise |
| 22:45:20 | rasher | bluebrother: shouldn't the version number in the binary (if there is one?) be updated as well? |
| 22:45:36 | bluebrother | well, it's svn revision + m1.0 ;-) |
| 22:46:09 | scorche | Zagor: entering www.rockbox.org/twiki/NameOfPage no longer works |
| 22:46:26 | jhMikeS | SIZE_MASK bits had no effect on an as3514, so I couldn't figure out any more |
| 22:46:41 | Zagor | scorche: did it ever? |
| 22:47:05 | bluebrother | scorche: it's /wiki, not /twiki ;-) |
| 22:47:16 | scorche | doh =P |
| 22:47:31 | amiconn | A logic analyzer would tell |
| 22:47:33 | * | rasher recommends a http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/%s quick bookmark |
| 22:47:44 | amiconn | (well, not on sansa as the as3514 is built into the pp) |
| 22:48:20 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I was just going to say |
| 22:48:43 | jhMikeS | and I wish I could have just used one but ears had to suffice |
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| 22:49:25 | jhMikeS | It can accept SIZE_32BIT just fine |
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| 22:49:36 | jhMikeS | all other setting must as in SVN |
| 22:50:49 | amiconn | Hmm, so probably the PP5020 either doesn't support FIFO_FORMAT, or support is buggy |
| 22:51:18 | amiconn | Thanks to DSP mode we can still get the same benefit as on sansa |
| 22:51:45 | amiconn | Hmm, the mini OF should tell, as it has code for both 5020 and 5022 |
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| 22:52:58 | jhMikeS | recording works fine with SIZE_32BIT as well |
| 22:54:45 | amiconn | I would think that 32 bit / LRCK needs (slightly) more power |
| 22:55:23 | jhMikeS | The guess that would double BCLK |
| 22:55:24 | amiconn | I think that if you set SIZE_32BIT and FIFO_FORMAT_16 the PP pads |
| 22:55:32 | amiconn | yes |
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| 22:56:17 | rasher | bluebrother: would it be okay if I filed a bugreport in debian, asking for packaging of rbutilqt? |
| 22:56:29 | jhMikeS | I suppose FIFO_FORMAT_* is one regarding the FIFO. SIZE_* is like the BCLK/WCLK on coldfire |
| 22:56:42 | bluebrother | rasher: I won't intervene ;-) |
| 22:57:02 | bluebrother | though I'm not sure if it would be better to wait some weeks until users started testing rbutilqt |
| 22:57:19 | amiconn | jhMikeS: According to the IPL wiki, bits 4..6 are always set to 7, and bits 8..9 always set to 3 in the OF |
| 22:57:37 | amiconn | Bits 10..11 are set to 1, 2 or 3 (but not 0) |
| 22:57:54 | rasher | bluebrother: I'm sure Debian can handle a few updates |
| 22:57:58 | amiconn | http://ipodlinux.org/PP5020 , I2S Controller |
| 22:58:17 | rasher | Besides, it'd probably be a while before it got in anyway |
| 22:58:22 | rasher | Assuming someone picks it up |
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| 23:00:46 | jhMikeS | Their mailbox assessment is a bit off. I think they can be used for read/write arbitrarily and have no special purpose. |
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| 23:01:09 | jhMikeS | there seems to be one more as well |
| 23:02:33 | jhMikeS | I see they have some other info for CPU/COP_CTL as well |
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| 23:04:14 | * | jhMikeS wonders why they don't use bit tables like most datasheets |
| 23:06:01 | * | jhMikeS will put up that cache routine. IPL oversimplies the usage of flush/invalidate. |
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| 23:09:54 | jhMikeS | I think its for cache ranges...gimme a moment |
| 23:11:34 | amiconn | IISFIFO_CFG for PP5002 |
| 23:11:45 | amiconn | ...erm, on PP5002 seems to be similar to PP502y |
| 23:11:50 | amiconn | *PP502x |
| 23:12:14 | * | bluebrother just did his first announcement post in the forums :) |
| 23:12:15 | amiconn | At least bit 16 is a reset bit (probably dac) |
| 23:12:16 | jhMikeS | it looked roughly so |
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| 23:15:25 | rasher | bluebrother: http://bugs.debian.org/440111 There we go |
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| 23:22:21 | preglow | sounds weird that the fifo only takes 16 bits |
| 23:22:32 | jhMikeS | amiconn: http://rafb.net/p/NyIf7271.html Interpretation of everything probably isn't right but the c is what is reduced to unless I messed up my maths. |
| 23:22:34 | linuxstb | rasher: Have you built a Debian package for rbutilqt? |
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| 23:23:20 | rasher | linuxstb: No, I was going to have a go at it, but I was never really happy with the package for the wx version either. It was not Done Right |
| 23:24:20 | rasher | And the "new maintainer" document I was reading told me that if the source didn't come as tarballs, I should find something else |
| 23:26:05 | amiconn | hmmrrrmmm |
| 23:28:18 | DerPapst | rasher: the svn co link from your bugreport excludes ipodpatcher and sansapatcher doesn't it? |
| 23:28:36 | rasher | DerPapst: oh, rbutilqt isn't self-contained? |
| 23:29:16 | Domonoky_ | rasher: it has the ini file now inbuilt.. but it can use a external ini file.. |
| 23:29:32 | rasher | Domonoky_: I meant the sourcedir |
| 23:30:10 | linuxstb | Can we just kill the old rbutil now and move rbutilqt to rbutil? |
| 23:30:24 | DerPapst | at least /rbutil/rbutilqt doesn't contain ipodpatcher and sansapatcher |
| 23:30:25 | bluebrother | rasher: for building rbutil you also need to get ipodpatcher and sansapatcher |
| 23:30:25 | Domonoky_ | ah.. no, it depends on the patchers... sometime in the future we will replace the wx version.. then it will be selfconatined.. |
| 23:30:49 | linuxstb | Domonoky_: What are you waiting for now? |
| 23:30:55 | DerPapst | cant you just switch the locations? |
| 23:30:56 | rasher | I'll send a correction once I get the confirmation mail |
| 23:31:15 | rasher | Domonoky_: That means it looks in ../../tools/ ? |
| 23:31:23 | linuxstb | ../rbutil/ |
| 23:31:27 | DerPapst | e.g. move rbutilqt one level up and put the wx version in rbutilwx? |
| 23:31:49 | Domonoky_ | we could of course switch now.. rbtuilqt reached m1 .. so we could remove the wx code.. |
| 23:31:53 | rasher | Just remove the wx version alltogether. It'll still be in SVN history anyway |
| 23:32:06 | DerPapst | or that was |
| 23:32:08 | DerPapst | *way |
| 23:34:34 | linuxstb | rasher: Is there a preferred source directory organisation for Debian? If we're going to rearrange SVN, we may as well think about packaging. |
| 23:35:26 | bluebrother | isn't it common to have the main program in a folder src/? |
| 23:35:30 | rasher | linuxstb: Not that I know of - everything related to the Debian package goes into a "debian/" directory added by patching the "source distribution" |
| 23:35:57 | rasher | so as long as there is a single directory with everything in it, it should be fine |
| 23:35:58 | linuxstb | bluebrother: That's what I was thinking... |
| 23:36:12 | bluebrother | in that case we could just rename rbutilqt to src ... |
| 23:36:21 | rasher | There's no reason to do that |
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| 23:36:33 | linuxstb | bluebrother: But then ipodpatcher/sansapatcher wouldn't be inside that dir... |
| 23:36:39 | bluebrother | otoh that's right. |
| 23:36:56 | rasher | Creating the package mostly consists of putting "commands to configure the package" "commands to build the package" "commands to install the package" in the right scripts in the debian dir |
| 23:37:02 | bluebrother | well, aren't external libraries usually outside of src/? It would be similar |
| 23:37:44 | linuxstb | bluebrother: It would certainly be an easy way to clean it up. Rename as you suggest, then delete all the old rbutilwx files. |
| 23:38:30 | rasher | then you'd also move rbutilqt/icons to rbutil/ |
| 23:38:35 | rasher | Presumably |
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| 23:42:18 | amiconn | rasher: Hmm, as open2() requires returning 2 filehandles, I would have to return a list, however, the caller of tts_init() then needs to know what tts_init() returns, which would be engine dependent... |
| 23:42:50 | rasher | amiconn: Does it matter? It's still a single variable, and the speak() would know what the variable is |
| 23:43:11 | amiconn | Iiuc, scalar variables use $ while arrays use @ |
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| 23:44:38 | rasher | Ah, hrm |
| 23:45:23 | jac0b | has there been any major changes in the past couple days? |
| 23:45:42 | jac0b | because now my wps doesn't work |
| 23:46:08 | rasher | amiconn: I imagine you can create a "pointer" of sorts to hold either value, but I have no idea how. Some perl person should come to our aid here.. |
| 23:47:00 | amiconn | Hmm, maybe it could return an array reference, which is a scalar itself |
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| 23:47:37 | amiconn | I don't know whether that'll work though, as the array is defined within the function, and then a reference returned to the caller? |
| 23:49:10 | rasher | Probably not.. maybe it could just always return a list |
| 23:49:21 | rasher | Sometimes with a single element |
| 23:49:24 | rasher | Or none |
| 23:49:41 | rasher | Probably the simplest solution |
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| 23:52:18 | thommy | hi |
| 23:52:51 | rasher | jac0b: Nothing that I'm aware of |
| 23:53:01 | jac0b | hmm |
| 23:53:29 | jac0b | I am clearing my directory and trying to recompile |
| 23:53:43 | x1jmp | does plugin_get_buffer() always return an aligned address? |
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| 23:54:00 | mirak | hi |
| 23:54:58 | thommy | what is the usual way to put music on a rockbox-ipod? drag n drop, right? |
| 23:55:05 | amiconn | rasher: Hmm, returning an array reference actually works... |
| 23:55:08 | jac0b | yeah it should be |
| 23:55:30 | mirak | is there a way to increase to sound record volume faster after it was reduced by the limiter ? Sometime when you are in an audience a bit far from the stage, the applause are way louder than the music, so the limiting works fine though it would nice if it could be increased also. |
| 23:55:43 | petur | austriancoder: any status update? |
| 23:55:58 | rasher | amiconn: Quite unlike C-behavior.. but I guess it's a reasonable solution |
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| 23:56:31 | jac0b | thommy: yes it should be |
| 23:56:38 | thommy | i m using Amarok for my music collection, but amarok copies my music anywhere on the ipod |
| 23:57:09 | jac0b | thommy: you can't make it copy to a certain folder |
| 23:58:17 | thommy | so drag n drop is the best way |
| 23:58:40 | amiconn | Bah, vbscript is way easier than perl :\ |
| 23:58:50 | jac0b | thommy: yea, what I did was make a Music Folder and i copy and paste everything to that folder |
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