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| 00:01:06 | ddalton | has anyone found splash screens that don't talk? I have found about 6 |
| 00:03:23 | qwm | scorche: i fucking hate level 70. |
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| 00:05:02 | ddalton | what is displayed when entering the recording screen? |
| 00:05:58 | petur | the recording screen? |
| 00:06:20 | ddalton | yes the one which is accessed from the root menu. |
| 00:06:32 | ddalton | or maybe it is called the main menu. |
| 00:06:33 | petur | ddalton: that was my answer ;) |
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| 00:07:05 | ddalton | do you know? |
| 00:07:17 | petur | what... |
| 00:07:28 | ddalton | what is displayed on the screen? |
| 00:07:43 | petur | several things... |
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| 00:08:07 | petur | recording time, size, filename, peakmeters, volume, gain,... |
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| 00:08:20 | ddalton | is that when your recording? |
| 00:08:38 | petur | no, always |
| 00:08:53 | petur | it starts in monitoring mode |
| 00:09:38 | mirak | thommy: I would like a player that copies music to player like itune does |
| 00:09:43 | mirak | from library |
| 00:09:46 | petur | the selector is on volume when you enter it. up/down moves the bar, left/right changes the value |
| 00:09:46 | DerPapst | Item, size, filename, volume, gain left and right and of course peakmeters (monitoring mode) |
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| 00:14:08 | thommy | i cant find the option that amarok treat my ipot like a "regular device" |
| 00:14:22 | thommy | ups ipod not ipot |
| 00:14:31 | kk_ | "generic" |
| 00:15:00 | kk_ | well, "Generic Audio Player" |
| 00:15:19 | thommy | all right |
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| 00:15:25 | bluebrother | Settings / Configure Amarok / Media Devices |
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| 00:17:04 | jhMikeS | amiconn: those i2s settings will be what runs for all pp5020 then? |
| 00:22:05 | amiconn | I don't know |
| 00:22:17 | amiconn | It works on H10 |
| 00:22:32 | jhMikeS | so you used those I2S setting along with which DSP mode - A/B? |
| 00:22:41 | amiconn | B |
| 00:23:08 | amiconn | (LRP = 0) |
| 00:25:02 | jhMikeS | no quick recording test? |
| 00:25:05 | thommy | works great thanks |
| 00:26:04 | amiconn | I don't even know whether recording works at all on H10 |
| 00:26:23 | jhMikeS | last I heard it does |
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| 00:29:50 | petur | bah... the usb.org validation tool is no longer available for w2k, needs xp-sp2 at least. However it installs/runs fine on my w2k box except for a crash at the end... |
| 00:30:02 | petur | amiconn: mic or line-in? |
| 00:30:24 | petur | mic recording works on H10 5gb |
| 00:30:27 | jhMikeS | I think line-in works if you have a dock or something? |
| 00:30:40 | petur | doc or cable |
| 00:30:46 | petur | +k |
| 00:30:46 | amiconn | Ah that. No I don't have the necessary adapter |
| 00:31:46 | jhMikeS | is the FM chip bit-banged i2c and not available to the regular i2c driver on h10? |
| 00:32:07 | amiconn | Don't ask me... |
| 00:33:15 | petur | hmmm the usb stack sends some weird codes back for identification (FFFF, 0001) |
| 00:33:58 | * | jhMikeS wonders if that will get a proper interrupt-based implementation and not the awful tick polling :\ |
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| 00:34:24 | * | petur thought it was already using interrupts |
| 00:34:29 | amiconn | FM isn't supported on H10 yet. Iirc barrywardell tried but didn't succeed |
| 00:34:48 | petur | and I managed to get one without FM :( |
| 00:34:55 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I thought it was TEA5767 |
| 00:34:59 | amiconn | Yes it is |
| 00:35:23 | amiconn | But FM support on H10 is really lowpri compared to many other things on my todo |
| 00:35:44 | amiconn | What good is FM support if the battery drains in <4 hours? |
| 00:35:49 | jhMikeS | petur: it's just calling usb_interrupt during the tick all the time |
| 00:36:04 | petur | uh... |
| 00:36:06 | jhMikeS | amiconn: so it can drain in 5? :P |
| 00:36:59 | jhMikeS | e200 is such a trouble-free target compared to others it seems. can play it all day long. |
| 00:37:14 | amiconn | YOu also don't get full runtime afaik |
| 00:37:24 | amiconn | I wouldn't call that trouble free |
| 00:37:57 | jhMikeS | I've never done a test but I do run high bitrate audio and have never gotten even to 50% batt |
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| 00:44:13 | jhMikeS | the batt indicator seems a bit off though. there a quick voltage drop immediately after charge and it flattens out thereafter. the indicator doesn't seem to account. |
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| 00:46:12 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: you didn't try amiconn's i2s settings on the color? |
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| 00:47:53 | scorche | qwm: heh...still cant beat it? |
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| 00:50:55 | amiconn | whoa |
| 00:51:17 | DerPapst | ? |
| 00:51:24 | amiconn | rasher: Just exec'ing lame makes for a _huge_ speedup :) |
| 00:51:40 | rasher | amiconn: In the vbscript? |
| 00:51:41 | amiconn | Now to convert wavtrim |
| 00:51:43 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:51:49 | rasher | Nice |
| 00:51:55 | amiconn | wavtrim is a bit difficult because of the path |
| 00:52:14 | amiconn | And that shouldn't be reevaluated every time by using cygpath |
| 00:52:54 | rasher | I have no idea why cygpath is even used |
| 00:53:00 | rasher | A relative path should be fine |
| 00:53:12 | amiconn | / −−> \ |
| 00:53:20 | rasher | Is that necessary? |
| 00:53:23 | amiconn | yes |
| 00:53:35 | rasher | still, cygpath shouldn't be needed? |
| 00:53:51 | amiconn | I think it is needed |
| 00:54:09 | DerPapst | doesn't ..\..\bla work in windoes too? |
| 00:54:29 | amiconn | Yes, but not when source & build dir are on different drives |
| 00:54:38 | DerPapst | ah |
| 00:54:48 | amiconn | ...and that is possible when using /cygdrive/<letter> |
| 00:55:37 | amiconn | But since init_tts() needs to use cygpath anyway, it can as well store the tools path in the returned array ref |
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| 00:57:04 | amiconn | wavtrim is mostly defunct for sapi anyway atm, because of the synchronisation issue |
| 00:57:42 | rasher | Ah, didn't consider the differing drives |
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| 01:04:13 | amiconn | hmm |
| 01:04:38 | amiconn | The unlink($wav); also suffers from the synchronisation problem |
| 01:05:03 | jhMikeS | petur: It seems that using GPIO interrupts keeps missing interrupts but an early USB patch I put the GPIO IRQ stuff together on seemed to be getting all of them. I don't know what changed. |
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| 01:19:28 | * | jhMikeS thinks it's funny even a archos jukebox can run through a couple-hundred thousand switch_thread calls spinning around in the ata driver during audio buffering while playing. |
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| 01:22:36 | amiconn | Why is that funny? |
| 01:23:35 | rasher | amiconn: I thought you fixed the synchronization problem by opening a bidirectional connection and waiting for SYNC messages from the vbscript? |
| 01:23:43 | amiconn | not yet |
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| 01:24:07 | jhMikeS | 1) it means that yield just burns alot of cycles waiting for disk I/O. 2) switch_thread is very fast |
| 01:24:24 | jhMikeS | gigabeat hits millions |
| 01:24:57 | amiconn | Well, disk spinup takes a while.... |
| 01:26:09 | jhMikeS | I can adapt something simple if completion interrupts are possible there and let things be calm. |
| 01:26:52 | jhMikeS | other than buffering it's pretty peaceful at around 20 switch_threads / sec there |
| 01:29:47 | amiconn | Why? Do we have a performance problem there? KISS... |
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| 01:32:03 | jhMikeS | more sleep time esp. with the pp i2c driver |
| 01:36:37 | jhMikeS | the scheduler is organized in my patch such that a huge variety of functionality can be implemented with a few basic operations from a basic spinlock to a function to switch a threads core. |
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| 01:38:58 | kreativefinally | im having some trouble with my ipod 30g video, |
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| 01:50:41 | larsemil | is it normal that rockbox is using alot more power the applefirmware on a ipod 4th gen? my battery is getting empty after maybe 2 hours of listening instead of 12-18... |
| 01:51:08 | Nimdae | yes |
| 01:51:33 | Nimdae | well |
| 01:51:35 | pixelma | but that amount is surprising - did you measure lately? |
| 01:51:36 | Nimdae | it's not normal |
| 01:52:04 | Nimdae | but battery consumption is higher due to less optimized use of the hardware |
| 01:52:21 | Nimdae | i get about 6 or so hours out of mine though |
| 01:52:39 | Nimdae | how old is the ipod? |
| 01:52:52 | amiconn | gah |
| 01:52:57 | amiconn | Any perl expert around? |
| 01:53:33 | Nimdae | i'm no expert, but i can hack it |
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| 01:55:09 | amiconn | I am trying to return a file handle from a function within a reference to an array |
| 01:55:18 | amiconn | (the filehandle being the first array elemt |
| 01:55:36 | Nimdae | well, you can continue from there in case someone knows, but you've already lost me ;) |
| 01:56:04 | amiconn | However, when I try to use that reference in print(), perl complains that I am using a string where I shouldn't |
| 01:57:17 | Nimdae | hmmm... |
| 01:57:32 | amiconn | I.e. sub myfunc { my $ret = *FH; return $ret }; $fh = myfunc(); print($fh, "Blah"); works, but |
| 01:58:54 | amiconn | sub myfunc { my @ret = (*FH, "someother"); my $ret = \@ret; return $ret }; $arr = myfunc(); prinf($$arr[0] "Blah"); doesn't |
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| 02:02:33 | Nimdae | $arr = myfunc(); <−− is $arr defined as an array elsewhere? |
| 02:02:45 | amiconn | No, it's an array reference |
| 02:02:53 | amiconn | Looks like I need curly braces |
| 02:03:12 | Nimdae | oh, i see, i missed the $$arr[0] |
| 02:03:17 | amiconn | print({$$arr[0]} "Blah"); seems to do the trick |
| 02:03:42 | Nimdae | what about ${$arr[0]}? this is what i would use in tcl |
| 02:03:55 | amiconn | I tried that |
| 02:04:00 | Nimdae | hmm |
| 02:04:54 | Nimdae | either that or an eval |
| 02:04:59 | Nimdae | but if your way works, run with it |
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| 02:24:40 | larsemil | as well i think my rockbox broke the ipod. it worked a couple of days but now i dont get threw the applelogo |
| 02:26:29 | amiconn | rasher: wavtrim doesn't work at all in svn because you forgot to read the second parameter... |
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| 03:04:53 | Soap | larsemil: you would be the first person for whom (who?) Rockbox broke an iPod. Do you care to provide some more details. It sounds like your iPod might very well be (rightly or wrongly) in its "Very Low Battery Mode" (name I made up (but a legitimate condition)) |
| 03:05:19 | scorche | whom |
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| 03:06:13 | Soap | whom's on first? |
| 03:06:23 | scorche | who |
| 03:06:33 | scorche | (whats on second) |
| 03:06:52 | JGabcde | larsemil couldnt have bricked his ipod because i had no clue wat i was doing all i know was i used a easy installer and it was easy the only way some one could do that they would have to be blind and RETARDed |
| 03:07:23 | Soap | JGabcde: as a matter of policy we do NOT call people names. |
| 03:07:42 | Soap | Much less use "blind" as a derogitory adjetive. |
| 03:08:13 | scorche | most blind people actually install rockbox quite well |
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| 03:11:35 | JGabcde | Good One :) |
| 03:11:38 | Soap | larsemil: I just realized that I had misread your statement. I thought you had said you don't get _to_ the Apple logo. Now that I look again I see that you said you don't get _through_ the Apple logo. Not knowing what model iPod you have, I am not sure which instructions to give you, but assuming it is an iPod Video (playing the odds here) you should try to boot into disk mode by doing a hard reset with "Menu"+"Select" and, as soon as the iPod boots, |
| 03:11:38 | Soap | switch to "Select"+"Play". This should allow you to put mount your iPod in your OS of choice so that you can run a disk checking program on it. |
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| 03:12:48 | JGabcde | What size do the 4G Ipod Photo Icons Have to be? |
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| 03:12:59 | JGabcde | And the manual doesnt say anything |
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| 03:15:20 | Soap | depends on the size of your font. |
| 03:15:48 | Soap | you don't want to use a 13 pixel high font and a 20 pixel high icon set, mucho overlapo will ensureo |
| 03:16:24 | JGabcde | i tried all the icon packs i could fine and the icons just went back to the default |
| 03:18:26 | JGabcde | What should I do? |
| 03:18:48 | scorche | and how are you setting the icons? |
| 03:19:52 | Febs | Well, it took me about 15 seconds after loading Rockbox on the Gigabeat to set a black font on a black background |
| 03:20:17 | rasher | Febs: possibly a new record, you should look into that |
| 03:21:09 | rasher | We call it the "Disaster area stuntship" theme |
| 03:21:23 | JGabcde | What do you mean setting the icons? |
| 03:21:30 | scorche | haha |
| 03:22:32 | Febs | "It's like, how much more black could it be? And the answer is none. None more black." |
| 03:22:50 | RudMan | heh - that's why all themes should have a null backdrop line in their cfg if they don't set one |
| 03:23:34 | Febs | Indeed. |
| 03:23:38 | RudMan | I got burned by that and started freaking out....thought I hosed it |
| 03:23:54 | RudMan | of course I had rockbox loaded for maybe 48 hours at the time |
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| 03:36:00 | JGAbcde | whos the one that said rockbox doesnt have radio!? |
| 03:36:13 | JGAbcde | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IconSets/tango_12x12x16.png!? |
| 03:36:45 | scorche | i dont believe anyone said that |
| 03:36:58 | JGAbcde | ok so how do i do that with my ipod |
| 03:37:07 | scorche | you dont |
| 03:37:31 | rasher | JGAbcde: The ipod does not have radio. |
| 03:38:00 | JGAbcde | o that sucks and i read the manual and my icons still dont work |
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| 05:05:31 | Icefire | Damn many people here! |
| 05:06:14 | Icefire | what is the lastest Sandisk Firmware? A or P ? |
| 05:06:23 | RudMan_ | many people not talking you mean |
| 05:06:58 | Icefire | well it's 11pm so it can be understood |
| 05:07:20 | scorche | Icefire: that doesnt seem to be rockbox related to me... |
| 05:08:06 | Icefire | scorche: kinda, since I need to boot often to upload to rockbox, I want to stay up to date on that side too |
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| 05:09:06 | scorche | just because something is out of date, doesnt mean it wont work anymore |
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| 05:10:14 | Icefire | I know but I heard the firsts firmware for e200 had problem |
| 05:10:44 | Icefire | and Sandisk updater say nothing to update but I doutb that since mine was built in 2006 |
| 05:10:49 | RudMan_ | it would have probably been quicker to google sansa e200 firmware than it would have to post here :P |
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| 05:12:14 | Icefire | I looked at many page from e250 latest fireware and most are review or talk from people asking question |
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| 05:12:22 | qupada | is anyone else having issues with the latest H10 builds? i'm getting "Data about at 00014044" with builds from the last couple of days |
| 05:12:23 | RudMan_ | http://www.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1376 |
| 05:12:48 | Icefire | Anyway, I'll come back tomorow, got 2 freeze up trying to play a mpg and needed to remove the battery |
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| 05:44:59 | * | scorche waits around for europe to wake up do he can go over a few things from the themes site... |
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| 08:55:09 | notgod | hello! |
| 08:55:53 | scorche | it is a good thing you are notgod, because we have a GodEater |
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| 08:56:28 | notgod | it's a ruse. |
| 08:57:12 | GodEater | I'm hungry |
| 08:57:40 | notgod | ;) just curious... can I recover my old firmware on my 4th gen ipod if I try rockbox? how hard is it to strip DRM off my aac files? and lastly, can I install rockbox from OSX? |
| 08:57:53 | notgod | I am nottasty. |
| 08:58:04 | GodEater | notgod: easy, offtopic, and yes |
| 08:58:14 | scorche | notgod: the old firmware is still there; we dont discuss DRM removal here; yes |
| 08:58:23 | notgod | sweet,understandable,and great@ |
| 08:59:39 | scorche | alright...well, the site is ready for deployment, i believe...just a few minor things...first off, what is preferred with the sidebar? |
| 08:59:40 | notgod | blargh,need to really find out how may AAC files I have. I mostly have MP3s. |
| 08:59:56 | notgod | new site being deployed for rb? |
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| 09:00:06 | GodEater | rockbox themes |
| 09:01:10 | scorche | B4gder: i am looking at you =) ...copy.rockbox-themes.org has the current version, but if anyone thinks changes need to be done... |
| 09:01:26 | notgod | oh, cool. man, i don't know if my ipod is fat32 or not. haha. |
| 09:01:37 | scorche | notgod: well, one way to find out... |
| 09:01:53 | GodEater | notgod: if you run osx it's likely it isn't |
| 09:02:07 | GodEater | notgod: however we have a guide for converting it |
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| 09:02:26 | B4gder | scorche: nice |
| 09:02:29 | GodEater | btw - does RBUtil do that automatically yet ? |
| 09:02:34 | * | bluebrother wakes up |
| 09:02:48 | notgod | GodEater: I do, but I think I reformatted it on my wintendo a while ago. :) yeah, reading through the docs now. |
| 09:03:01 | * | amiconn pings rasher |
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| 09:03:09 | B4gder | scorche: two quick things: the order of the builds should rather be the new one used on the site currently and I'd like to see the "new" pics used too for the small target builds |
| 09:03:10 | notgod | ipod photo is 4g, right? |
| 09:03:17 | GodEater | notgod: yes |
| 09:03:17 | notgod | I so scurred. :( |
| 09:03:29 | GodEater | notgod - you'll be amazed how painless the install is |
| 09:03:33 | scorche | B4gder: noted and already on the list =) |
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| 09:03:56 | amiconn | notgod: You'll want the ipod color version |
| 09:04:04 | amiconn | 4g is for greyscale G4's |
| 09:04:12 | bluebrother | scorche: I still have the icons around as zip −− http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/devices/ |
| 09:04:16 | B4gder | scorche: and seeing your request for png only, can't you just use convert server-side to convert from whatever non-png format that might get submitted? |
| 09:04:16 | bluebrother | if this helps you ;-) |
| 09:04:23 | notgod | amiconn: ok, but the docs are the 4g, right? |
| 09:04:25 | B4gder | convert from imagemagick that is |
| 09:04:41 | GodEater | notgod: you might like to try this : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtility |
| 09:05:03 | GodEater | notgod: and no - you want the docs for the color / photo too |
| 09:05:05 | notgod | meh, I am backing up all my stuff then just going to go for it. :) |
| 09:05:20 | notgod | yeah, just saw that. was missing that last row of docs. doh. |
| 09:05:35 | GodEater | rasher: around yet ? |
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| 09:06:08 | scorche | B4gder: i would imagine so, but i cant see a person making a theme and not being able to change to png real quick |
| 09:06:46 | B4gder | true, but it would make the submit screen feature a little less "please comply to this..." texts ;-) |
| 09:07:01 | B4gder | not a biggie anyway |
| 09:07:08 | * | scorche checks to see if imagemagick is installed |
| 09:07:15 | GodEater | that could be milestone 2 :) |
| 09:07:23 | scorche | it it isnt, and i need root to install it, it isnt going to happen anyway |
| 09:07:47 | scorche | B4gder: keep in mind things can be added as well later...this is just the run to get it out there for the moment |
| 09:07:50 | GodEater | not for the first time I wonder why we're hosting it somewhere that appears so hostile to our requirement |
| 09:07:55 | bluebrother | maybe you have GD for stuff like this? But IMO this could come later. |
| 09:08:14 | B4gder | scorche: sure, I'm just rambling things that pop up, they certainly don't prevent "shipping" this |
| 09:09:03 | B4gder | we want "themes.rockbox.org" setup for this, don't we? |
| 09:09:14 | scorche | we do |
| 09:09:48 | notgod | rb can play non-drm aac, right? |
| 09:09:59 | notgod | oh, yes, it says what it supports. nice |
| 09:10:11 | scorche | GodEater: because it is already set up nicely, and we want people to be able to FTP in (at least for now) and do stuff easily |
| 09:10:56 | notgod | jipes, ftp. if you want help developing a submission system, I am a pretty good web app developer. Would be happy to donate some time. |
| 09:11:12 | scorche | it is a submission system |
| 09:11:31 | notgod | I mean web-based, non-ftp. (I hate FTP. hah.) |
| 09:11:36 | scorche | we just move things to/from our holding area from FTP |
| 09:13:10 | notgod | scorche: well, if there's anything else I can help on. :) I don't like doing anything other than PHP5, tho. And my UI skills are not good, but I can do great app development. :) |
| 09:13:43 | scorche | notgod: well, it is in PHP5 and when the site goes live, the code will be in SVN and you are free to work on whatever you wish =) |
| 09:13:59 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ThemeRepository is the wiki page about it that I need to update a bit more |
| 09:15:10 | bluebrother | scorche: much work left until we go live? |
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| 09:15:36 | scorche | bluebrother: not much at all..minor fixes and whatever you guys can tell me to do =P |
| 09:15:51 | bluebrother | nice :) |
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| 09:18:35 | larsemil | my problem is that it seems like there is NO battery what so ever in my ipod. as long as i have it connected to something it says its full battery, when i disconnect it dies directly. i can boot into diskmode, and i removed rockbox bootloader but still i dont get by the apple logo. |
| 09:19:33 | larsemil | so, is there a way in linux similar to apples restore utility |
| 09:19:54 | Shaid | have you tried to run it using WINE? |
| 09:20:03 | larsemil | no i did not |
| 09:20:03 | Shaid | no idea if it'd work, but it's worth a shot. |
| 09:20:33 | bluebrother | sounds like a hardware issue to me. |
| 09:20:34 | scorche | larsemil: there is a wiki page called something like ManualRestore |
| 09:20:46 | scorche | but, yes...it doesnt sound like a firmware issue |
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| 09:22:46 | hachi | I'm not having any luck with the 60/80 iPod version of rockbox... I've downloaded rockbox-ipodvideo-64mb.zip and extracted it onto the root of my ipod. Edit my ipodloader.conf to point to .rockbox/rockbox.ipod for a kernel, reboot and launch |
| 09:22:59 | hachi | and it says No partition found, connect USB cable and fix it |
| 09:23:05 | linuxstb_ | larsemil: See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
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| 09:23:33 | hachi | I can't read the version number during startup to make sure I'm running r14530 |
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| 09:24:01 | scorche | go into the system menu |
| 09:24:16 | hachi | scorche: me? |
| 09:24:20 | linuxstb | hachi: Did you put the .rockbox folder on the FAT32 partition. Also, how did you format your ipod's FAT32 partition - mkfs is known to have issues. |
| 09:24:21 | scorche | yes |
| 09:24:35 | hachi | scorche: can't find partition, rockbox refuses to go further |
| 09:24:36 | scorche | oh...you said stuff before that |
| 09:24:41 | scorche | see above =) |
| 09:24:49 | hachi | linuxstb: yes, and I have no idea how I formatted it |
| 09:24:55 | hachi | how can I check? |
| 09:25:05 | linuxstb | hachi: I mean what formatting program did you use? |
| 09:25:16 | hachi | I have no memory of the last time I formatted it |
| 09:25:19 | hachi | how can I check? |
| 09:25:31 | linuxstb | Do you have IPL installed? |
| 09:26:01 | ksoze | Hi |
| 09:26:05 | hachi | yes, but I may have shrunk the partition on windows |
| 09:26:38 | notgod | I am so excited... I am so scarred. :) |
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| 09:27:28 | hachi | also, I don't see a thing about mkfs problems in the docs |
| 09:27:46 | JdGordon | hey all |
| 09:27:51 | GodEater | hachi: its' in the wiki though |
| 09:28:06 | linuxstb | hachi: That's because using mkfs is not a normal part of a Rockbox install. It's mentioned here though - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 09:28:08 | petur | Hi Jd |
| 09:28:10 | hachi | right... wiki, where does it say in the docs to read the wiki |
| 09:28:12 | GodEater | hachi: we don't cover formatting your ipod in the manual - it's assumed your fat32 partition is good |
| 09:28:33 | GodEater | hachi: it doesn't say in the docs to read the wiki, because most people don't need to format their ipods |
| 09:28:43 | GodEater | hachi: because most people don't run ipodlinux |
| 09:29:00 | linuxstb | In fact, it's not mentioned there... |
| 09:29:16 | linuxstb | But it tells you to use mtools to format a 5.5g. |
| 09:29:18 | ddalton | ok I am trying to make the alarm on rockbox talk. how is it used? |
| 09:29:18 | scorche | that link is mentioned in the manual, i believe |
| 09:29:19 | hachi | how was I supposed to find this information then? |
| 09:29:25 | * | ddalton will read the manual. |
| 09:29:37 | morrijr | hachi: google/search |
| 09:29:38 | linuxstb | hachi: You weren't - it's a problem with your IPL install (if that is indeed the issue here). |
| 09:29:49 | GodEater | hachi: I'd have said google too |
| 09:30:05 | notgod | hachi: don't get upset −− it's free! contribute. suggest. but don't get mad. ;) |
| 09:30:07 | linuxstb | hachi: The Rockbox installation assumes (as GodEater said) a correctly formatted and working ipod. |
| 09:30:26 | hachi | well this makes me sad, I have to wipe my ipod again |
| 09:30:53 | notgod | hachi: my ex wife is taking $2000 a month from me. Should I yell at you? |
| 09:31:09 | morrijr | hachi: could you put your experiences towards adding to the documentation so others don't need to search/ask? |
| 09:31:12 | hachi | what does that have to do with rockbox? |
| 09:31:47 | GodEater | what does ipodlinux have to do with rockbox ? |
| 09:32:08 | hachi | nothing that's the side issue |
| 09:32:18 | linuxstb | hachi: Are you using Linux (on your PC) ? |
| 09:32:19 | hachi | the thing is a fat32 partition formatted from mkfs causes problems |
| 09:32:22 | hachi | and it's not noted in the docs |
| 09:32:44 | hachi | linuxstb: on some, others are mac os, others are windows... I'm debating where I want to make my backup right now |
| 09:32:57 | linuxstb | hachi: That may not even be the issue... The ipod hasn't got as far as reading the filesystem yet. |
| 09:33:00 | GodEater | it's only fat32 partitions over 30GB |
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| 09:33:06 | linuxstb | ^I mean Rockbox |
| 09:33:20 | hachi | wait... it's not? |
| 09:33:30 | hachi | should I stop formatting my ipod now? |
| 09:33:38 | linuxstb | hachi: In Linux, can you display the partition table of your ipod? If your ipod is /dev/sda, type "fdisk -l /dev/sda" and then paste the output to http://pastebin.ca |
| 09:33:53 | notgod | hachi: I see it right in section 2.1 |
| 09:33:55 | larsemil | so i successfully(i think) restored it, it rebooted and this bar went full up and then it rebooted. but my ipod is behaving like there is no battery in it. it does not charge. |
| 09:35:40 | scorche | so no one has any issues/suggestions with the sidebar on copy.rockbox-themes.org, correct? |
| 09:37:04 | JdGordon | looks ok to me |
| 09:37:24 | hachi | http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/11037 |
| 09:37:38 | ddalton | Well I was thinking of rewriting the alarm code. Any suggestions? |
| 09:38:11 | JdGordon | scorche: shouldnt there be a "for official build"? |
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| 09:38:21 | linuxstb | scorche: Personally I would prefer the sidebar to be the same as the other parts of *.rockbox.org (i.e. standard), and have the themes navigation in a menu bar across the top - comparable to the wiki and forum navigation bars. |
| 09:38:33 | markun | rasher: I just noticed your rockbox translation page, nice work! |
| 09:38:42 | scorche | JdGordon: official builds will work on any build |
| 09:39:07 | JdGordon | scorche: yeah, but I see AA themes in the "any build" which wont work on official only |
| 09:39:20 | scorche | JdGordon: all themes are for testing purposes...they will be wiped |
| 09:39:38 | markun | rasher: I see a few places where the english original reads "none", how can I remove the translated entry? |
| 09:40:21 | JdGordon | scorche: no, I mean, shouldnt there be a section for themes which will only work on the official builds? or are we not hosting non-official-build themes anymore? |
| 09:40:23 | linuxstb | hachi: There is nothing obviously wrong with the partiton table, so that suggests that it's how the FAT32 partition has been formatted. |
| 09:40:32 | scorche | JdGordon: official builds will work on any build |
| 09:41:12 | JdGordon | ... then lots of themes are currently misplaced? |
| 09:41:16 | scorche | errr...themes that work on official builds will work for any build |
| 09:41:23 | scorche | JdGordon: all themes are for testing purposes...they will be wiped |
| 09:41:25 | scorche | =) |
| 09:41:37 | linuxstb | IIUC, the site will be empty when it launches ? |
| 09:41:46 | * | JdGordon apologises.... /me very tired and hungry |
| 09:42:14 | scorche | yup...hence the "they will be wiped" |
| 09:42:55 | hachi | ahh, a hex dump of my fat32 partition reveals that I made it with mkdosfs |
| 09:43:28 | * | JdGordon not so sure goign live with an empty site is such a good idea |
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| 09:44:10 | scorche | well, otherwise, is someone going to go through the entire site and correct each mistake? |
| 09:44:46 | scorche | this way, authors correct their own themes/ other's themes and submit those |
| 09:44:53 | markun | rasher: never mind, I didn't read well :) |
| 09:45:07 | linuxstb | Isn't the issue also that we want to clarify the (C) and license of all uploaded themes? |
| 09:45:39 | JdGordon | scorche: will the old site still be avilable untill we get some themes into the new one? |
| 09:46:01 | JdGordon | also, where do iconsets fit into the themes site? |
| 09:46:17 | scorche | linuxstb: no...we are not checking for that anymore (legal things and us qualifying under safe harbour....checking for (c) would give us knowledge of the illegal material, and hence nullify that status) |
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| 09:47:07 | scorche | JdGordon: yes it will....and icons are free to be included along with a theme...for the moment, this is a theme repository...not an icon, cfg, wps, or font repository |
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| 09:47:24 | * | scorche waves at Redbreva |
| 09:47:47 | * | Redbreva waves back |
| 09:47:51 | JdGordon | scorche: right, but eventually iconsets will be uploadable seperatly? |
| 09:48:01 | hachi | AUGH! |
| 09:48:16 | scorche | JdGordon: if we decide to...that isnt part of the current plan though...the wiki seems just fine for those |
| 09:48:20 | hachi | mtools just caused my raid box to panic |
| 09:48:24 | JdGordon | ok, cool |
| 09:48:29 | * | JdGordon goes looking for food |
| 09:48:45 | linuxstb | scorche: ? Is there a log of that discussion? |
| 09:49:33 | hachi | frack.... that's gonna take days to rebuild now |
| 09:49:35 | scorche | linuxstb: the copyright discussion?...there was a short one with me and B4gder, but i talked to a number of copyright attorneys to see about the best way to do this sort of thing |
| 09:50:30 | scorche | i dont know exactly when the short discussion was, but it was sometime after aug 5th |
| 09:51:13 | linuxstb | But how can, for example, the uploader license the work under the CC if we don't know who the (C) holder is? |
| 09:53:03 | GodEater | the uploader becomes responsible for the license I would imagine |
| 09:53:04 | scorche | if we are given notice of an infringement, we will act, but part of the agreement they go through says "that you have the right to put this work under this license" |
| 09:53:14 | scorche | so, they are on their honor |
| 09:53:14 | GodEater | so if their found to be licensing work under CC that they aren't the (C) holder for |
| 09:53:18 | GodEater | then it's their problem |
| 09:53:30 | GodEater | and we pull the theme |
| 09:53:31 | hachi | AUGH... do I have any options beyond mtools? I get to wait 33 hours for my box to rebuild and I can use it again |
| 09:53:51 | scorche | linuxstb: this might answer some of your questions http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/faq |
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| 09:54:35 | GodEater | hachi: mtools is the only posix software we know of which will create valid FAT32 partitions over 30GB in size |
| 09:54:47 | hachi | hurray, I'm screwed |
| 09:54:50 | GodEater | hachi: your only other option is to format the partition under another OS |
| 09:54:59 | GodEater | there is a tool for windows which will do it |
| 09:55:31 | hachi | do I have any options that don't include formatting? cause my mp3 repository is down for the next 33 hours now |
| 09:55:34 | | Part qupada ("Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.") |
| 09:56:08 | scorche | linuxstb: re: the side bar, do you think it is a thing that needs to be done before it goes live, or a thing to go on the To-Do list? |
| 09:56:09 | GodEater | hachi: I don't believe so, looking at what linuxstb and you have discussed already |
| 09:56:47 | JdGordon | scorche: if its going to be rearranged, it should go in before going live |
| 09:57:01 | linuxstb | scorche: Is the site hosted in the US? |
| 09:57:15 | GodEater | linuxstb: yes it is |
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| 09:57:20 | GodEater | I think :) |
| 09:57:24 | linuxstb | scorche: I don't think so - it's just a cosmetic issue. |
| 09:58:12 | scorche | linuxstb: that isnt a big deal, as I am the acting admin and i am in the US...as well, most other countries have a law that basically works the same way, or no law at all about it |
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| 09:58:51 | linuxstb | scorche: So the idea is basically that rockbox-themes.org will be under the control of users, and you're just a "service provider" ? |
| 09:59:14 | scorche | yes....it is the same thing as google video for example |
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| 09:59:39 | linuxstb | Hmm, that seems a pretty major change in concept... |
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| 10:00:12 | scorche | which concept is that?...there were many reasons for the switch |
| 10:00:49 | linuxstb | The concept of having themes with clear (C) ownership and licensing terms. What other reasons were there? |
| 10:01:29 | scorche | one of which was to take care of copyrighted material issue...this does that, but in a different way than you might imagine (us being granted harbour rather than us constantly patrolling) |
| 10:02:24 | scorche | other reasons were getting rid of the mess-like-state of the wiki, being easier to find and submit themes (no more "how do i edit the wiki?"), integration with rbutil that wouldnt be possible with the wiki, etc |
| 10:04:09 | JdGordon | scorche: btw, there is a bug on the themes site with the hover text on the target pics |
| 10:04:32 | scorche | JdGordon: there is?...you have to hover for a bit due to the nature of that... |
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| 10:04:48 | scorche | it even says to be patient when you hover, i believe |
| 10:04:51 | JdGordon | the bug is it says "ipod<br />nano" |
| 10:04:57 | scorche | oh... |
| 10:05:53 | scorche | where are you seeing this? |
| 10:06:09 | JdGordon | on the front page |
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| 10:06:41 | * | scorche doesnt get any hover text |
| 10:06:56 | pondlife | bluebrother: RBUtil minor bug report - the menu bar isn't displayed initially, resulting in an odd shifting of the window contents immediately after launching. |
| 10:07:02 | pondlife | Shall I FlySpray it? |
| 10:07:05 | Redbreva | Try IE - the hover doesn't display in FF |
| 10:07:19 | B4gder | it needs to be title= for firefox |
| 10:07:27 | B4gder | firefox doesn't "hover"-display alt texts |
| 10:07:51 | scorche | is there a way to have it not show anything for IE liek it does for firefox? |
| 10:08:20 | JdGordon | scorche: fix the alt= text for the images I tihnk |
| 10:08:25 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 10:08:27 | JdGordon | that will make it less bad |
| 10:09:42 | scorche | there isnt an alt= per say.....the table is all dynamically generated |
| 10:10:08 | scorche | that text is used to generate the bolded target text |
| 10:11:13 | scorche | well, there is an alt= text, but it is dynamically generated from the same text as the title...lemme get a new var, i suppose |
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| 10:20:35 | scorche | JdGordon: should be fixed |
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| 10:23:11 | linuxstb | scorche: You still have the checkbox making the uploader confirm they have the right to upload the theme and license it under the Creative Commons - so I'm not sure what has actually changed... What questions did you remove from the submission form? |
| 10:23:20 | Redbreva | not quite, all the 1st row have the same tag |
| 10:23:31 | Redbreva | 2nd row the same tag, etc... |
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| 10:24:10 | scorche | LinusN: i dont quite get the "questions did you remove part" |
| 10:24:23 | scorche | Redbreva: hrm...seems i can be cheap... |
| 10:24:27 | scorche | cant |
| 10:25:01 | notgod | success! :) |
| 10:25:08 | scorche | whoops.... s/ LinusN / linuxstb |
| 10:25:16 | B4gder | the cnet rockbox install on ipod video is nice |
| 10:25:16 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 10:26:19 | linuxstb | scorche: I mean what changes did you make to the site following your legal discussions? |
| 10:26:25 | notgod | how do I exit doom on my ipod? :) |
| 10:26:26 | pondlife | B4gder: Pity it's not RBUtil-ized.. |
| 10:26:36 | B4gder | yeah |
| 10:26:47 | linuxstb | notgod: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom |
| 10:26:51 | B4gder | once rbutil goes truly official it'll be even nicer |
| 10:27:00 | scorche | linuxstb: mainly the guidelines portion, and that we will no longet actively check for copyright violations |
| 10:27:03 | JdGordon | scorche: yep, fixed :) |
| 10:27:09 | scorche | JdGordon: no it isnt |
| 10:27:26 | JdGordon | hehe.. no its not |
| 10:27:49 | * | JdGordon bbl |
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| 10:29:05 | scorche | *now* it is fixed =) |
| 10:29:22 | hachi | is mtools doing a slow format of the disk? |
| 10:30:17 | hachi | hard to tell from the syscalls |
| 10:30:39 | scorche | linuxstb: are there other changes that i need to make that i may have missed? |
| 10:30:42 | linuxstb | scorche: OK, but if we're still asking all users to agree the themes can be redistributed under the terms of the CC, then shouldn't we also be asking for the name(s) of the copyright holders? |
| 10:31:05 | scorche | linuxstb: as far as we know, they are the copyright holders |
| 10:31:13 | notgod | linuxstb: ok, looked at that −− but I still can't figure out how to select a menu item. :) |
| 10:31:32 | scorche | if we are informed that they lied to us, then we act |
| 10:32:10 | notgod | aha, got it!! |
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| 10:36:24 | linuxstb | scorche: No, we don't know anything about (C). All we know is that the uploader has stated that he/she has the right to upload it. How can you attribute work under the CC if you don't know the (C) holder? |
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| 10:37:03 | scorche | linuxstb: they also say that they have the right to put the content under the CCattrSA license |
| 10:37:35 | hachi | does rockbox have sleep support at this time (the answer was no last time I looked, and I don't see it anymore) |
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| 10:38:19 | scorche | the manual should say a bit about sleep |
| 10:40:39 | Redbreva | scorche: Add title='$Target' and the hover text works in Firefox too (thanks B4gder ) |
| 10:41:17 | scorche | Redbreva: i didnt see a need for the hover text, but for completeness, ok |
| 10:45:07 | linuxstb | scorche: My point is that the CC checkbox is pointless. A third-party can't comply with that license because they can't attribute the material to anyone. And speaking of attribution, I'm not familiar with the CC, but it states that "you must attribute work in the manner specified by the author". We don't give the authors the ability to specify that - or state a generic attribution method. |
| 10:45:26 | linuxstb | So I guess I'm saying we should either remove the CC checkbox, or implement it more thoroughly. |
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| 10:48:22 | scorche | linuxstb: i am still not quite following you...if they "have the right to put this work under this license", that implies that they either are the author or have permission of the author |
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| 10:52:09 | scorche | linuxstb: as for the attribution part, we can simply tell them to put that in the zip in a txt file |
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| 11:00:28 | B4gder | mi4code 1.0.0 is out! (http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/08/30/mi4code-100/) |
| 11:00:40 | B4gder | nothing really new or fun though ;-) |
| 11:01:22 | scorche | B4gder: feel free to pitch in on any of this legal stuff if you see something that needs to be addressed |
| 11:01:52 | B4gder | I'm firmlt seated here in the backseat ;-) |
| 11:01:53 | B4gder | firmly |
| 11:02:49 | scorche | i had a feeling you already decided that =P |
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| 11:04:13 | linuxstb | scorche: Thinking through an example, if I wanted to take a theme uploaded to rockbox-themes.org, modify it, and then upload it again to rockbox-themes.org, the current site doesn't a) State what attribution I am required to make; b) Give me the ability to provide attribution to the original author(s); c) Give me the ability to state how I want my work to be attributed. |
| 11:04:18 | hachi | well, that was lovely... enabled the db in rockbox, fool around a bit... hook ipod up to mac, mac acts like the drive has just been formatted |
| 11:04:41 | hachi | all the mp3s I loaded on in the last few minutes, the ipodload.conf file, .rockbox, all gone |
| 11:04:45 | hachi | is this a common occurance? |
| 11:04:49 | linuxstb | No |
| 11:04:56 | linuxstb | Did you unmount it cleanly? |
| 11:05:06 | hachi | it seemed like iTunes did it |
| 11:05:21 | hachi | I couldn't, I last had it plugged into a linux box |
| 11:05:28 | hachi | those things don't have an 'eject usb' command |
| 11:05:42 | hachi | I umounted, but that doesn't mean the buffers flushed |
| 11:06:09 | linuxstb | Yes it does, and there is also a separate "eject" command. |
| 11:06:23 | hachi | eject doesn't apply to usb port ejection |
| 11:06:38 | hachi | there isn't one in linux, best you can do is remove the usb modules from the running kernel |
| 11:06:45 | scorche | linuxstb: how about if we declared the "default" attribution style (in the description) in the guidelines, and as for stating how you wish it to be attributed, that can go in a text file in the zip if they wish to change it from the "default" |
| 11:06:47 | hachi | or maybe there's some way in /sys, I haven't looked |
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| 11:07:03 | B4gder | umount is fine |
| 11:07:58 | hachi | regardless, this would be the first time in like 10 years that an improperly unmounted device has caused the partition to wipe |
| 11:08:37 | hachi | also, since reformatting to the rockbox specs, plugging it into my mac seems to take a good 20-30 seconds of 100% read before it mounts the device |
| 11:09:14 | linuxstb | hachi: OK, it was just a simple question! And yes, my Mac is also extremely slow when mounting a FAT32 formatted ipod. I've yet to discover a solution. |
| 11:10:14 | GodEater | there bloody is an eject command in linux, and it definitely applies to the usb ports |
| 11:10:34 | hachi | read the manpage, it's for ejecting things like cdrom drives, zip drives, etc. |
| 11:10:42 | hachi | it doesn't disconnect the usb port and power it down |
| 11:11:16 | hachi | which is a perfectly valid operation, and is what windows does when you 'eject' a usb mounted device |
| 11:11:24 | * | petur wonders if he is the first user to register on B4gder's blog :) |
| 11:11:34 | B4gder | you are! |
| 11:11:42 | * | B4gder celebrates |
| 11:11:58 | * | petur awaits moderation :) |
| 11:12:03 | B4gder | already did that |
| 11:13:14 | Nico_P | wow B4gder has a blog ! |
| 11:13:30 | B4gder | I'm one of "those" now |
| 11:13:37 | B4gder | feel free to point finger |
| 11:13:42 | B4gder | :-) |
| 11:13:49 | GodEater | hachi: then the manpage you're reading is wrong. An ipod is NOT marked as safe to disconnect unless you've run the eject command. Please don't act like you're an authority on the subject as you're clearly not. |
| 11:13:54 | Nico_P | we'll soon have to create "planet rockbox" :) |
| 11:14:02 | B4gder | :-) |
| 11:14:08 | hachi | GodEater: I just read the source to eject like... SATURDAY |
| 11:14:25 | hachi | I was hacking on the ioctl for linux cdroms at the time |
| 11:14:25 | scorche | B4gder: now you have to change all plaintext on your site to fancy stylized images and implement an enormous amount of ajax into your site =P |
| 11:14:52 | hachi | the manpage says nothing about eject for usb devices, it only applies to block devices |
| 11:15:35 | linuxstb | scorche: Just thinking about the principles for now (not how the site will work), I think we would want someone who uploads a theme based on another theme to at the very least state the name(s) of any other themes it is based on. |
| 11:15:36 | hachi | you can eject block devices, cdrom drives and the like |
| 11:15:44 | hachi | you can't eject usb ports with it |
| 11:15:49 | GodEater | yes.you.can. |
| 11:15:57 | hachi | give an example of usage |
| 11:16:27 | scorche | linuxstb: yes...that would be the "default" attribution, is to state that in the description |
| 11:16:36 | GodEater | eject /dev/sdb where sdb is your ipod device. I use it on a daily basis. |
| 11:16:38 | linuxstb | scorche: Exactly. |
| 11:16:43 | hachi | sdb is a block device |
| 11:16:46 | hachi | not a usb port |
| 11:16:57 | hachi | it doesn't power down the usb port, you can get a voltmeter and confirm this fact |
| 11:17:22 | bluebrother | pondlife: strange −− I don't get this. Are you on windows? |
| 11:17:22 | Nico_P | hachi: is it really necessary to power down the usb ? |
| 11:17:53 | Nico_P | hachi: I've been using eject <themountpoint> for a long time and never had a single problem |
| 11:18:00 | GodEater | I'm not interested in the usb port power - I'm interested in whether your ipod is marked as safe to disconnect or not. and let me see - which one of us has the non-functional ipod. Oh that's right. You. |
| 11:18:10 | hachi | mines fine |
| 11:18:14 | hachi | I already recovered it |
| 11:18:50 | amiconn | rasher: around? |
| 11:19:16 | * | bluebrother notices what pondlife is referring to |
| 11:19:27 | scorche | linuxstb: so are we on equal ground now? (ie understand each other fully) |
| 11:20:15 | Nico_P | B4gder: your blog reminds me of what I was thinking earlier... wouldn't a news page be nice ? it could be like MajorChanges but with proper detail about things |
| 11:20:46 | scorche | a sort of rockbox blog for all devs?...i think that has been discussed a few times before |
| 11:21:04 | Nico_P | B4gder: and on a related note, have you considered hosting rahser's MajorChanges feed on rockbox.org ? |
| 11:21:22 | Nico_P | scorche: that's not quite the idea but it could be nice |
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| 11:21:50 | scorche | well, i believe the reasoning for not going that route is the lack of desire to blog by many devs |
| 11:22:53 | bluebrother | I think it would be nice to have some kind of small blog in which one could like sum up various changes / recent development a bit |
| 11:23:26 | LinusN | how stable is the new qt rbutil, and would it be possible to build a mac version asap? |
| 11:23:38 | Nico_P | bluebrother: that's what I was suggesting |
| 11:24:05 | bluebrother | LinusN: it works reliably for me (tested on windows and linux). Building a mac version shouldn't be a problem. |
| 11:24:28 | bluebrother | but I don't have access to a mac, so no chance for me to do it. |
| 11:25:12 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I updated the french translation with the latest strings, but the translation util somehow decided to change one line per string |
| 11:25:17 | Nico_P | so I didn't commit it |
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| 11:30:25 | pondlife | bluebrother: Yes, I'm on Windows 2000 |
| 11:30:43 | linuxstb | scorche: I'm still not understanding what exactly has changed regarding protecting the site with "safe harbour". You seem to be saying that by the site not stating that it is monitored for copyright violations, we're safer? |
| 11:30:51 | pondlife | It seems to be doing an initial display before the menu bar is in place. |
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| 11:33:38 | bluebrother | pondlife: hmm, that code is generated by designer. The ui is shown automatically. |
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| 11:34:35 | pondlife | Any way to *not* show it automatically? Then programatically display when all ready? |
| 11:34:38 | bluebrother | maybe it's w2k only? |
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| 11:34:58 | pondlife | Maybe - so you don't see it? |
| 11:35:00 | scorche | linuxstb: yes...because of the wording "a service provider shall not be liable for . . . infringement of copyright by reason of the storage at the direction of a user of material that resides on a system or network controlled or operated by or for the service provider . . . . |
| 11:35:18 | bluebrother | I don't see it on linux. I'll try wxp later ... |
| 11:35:24 | scorche | emphasis on *direction of a user* |
| 11:36:21 | scorche | as well, "The transmission, routing, provision of connections, or storage is carried out by an automatic technical process"....the lawyer friend i talked to said that if you manually checked the themes over briefly for technical reasons, it is alright |
| 11:40:29 | GodEater | bash weenies: how does one use the "for x in stuff" command, and explicitly supply a list of things in stuff? I've only ever done "for x in *", where * becomes all the files in the current directory ? |
| 11:41:14 | linuxstb | scorche: So for example, if someone uploads a Simpsons theme, what do we do? |
| 11:41:51 | Nico_P | GodEater: where would your list come from ? |
| 11:41:52 | markun | GodEater: for i in 1 2 3 4 5 ; do echo $i ; done |
| 11:42:13 | GodEater | markun: it's just a space seperated list of words then ? |
| 11:42:17 | markun | yep |
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| 11:42:23 | Nico_P | GodEater: it can be for i in `find -name blah`; do... |
| 11:42:35 | GodEater | markun: sweet :) |
| 11:42:54 | Nico_P | GodEater: newlines work too |
| 11:43:18 | morrijr | GodEater: seq 1 5 |
| 11:43:40 | GodEater | morrijr: that's useful too - but my word list isn't numbers :) |
| 11:44:11 | morrijr | sorry, just saw the sequence and knew that most folks don't actually know there's a seq command :) |
| 11:44:12 | scorche | linuxstb: we check the zip to verify that it is in the correct layout and no junk files, transfer the theme over to the live site just like any other theme, then send them the accept mail just like we would for any other theme...we are not aware that they arent the author of the image and all its contents, as they told us they were |
| 11:44:32 | linuxstb | scorche: So we leave it on the site ? |
| 11:44:37 | Nico_P | morrijr: how would you do a loop in which a var is incremented ? like a classic C for loop ? |
| 11:44:47 | scorche | if Fox sends us a takedown notice, then we act upon it |
| 11:44:55 | morrijr | Nico_P: IIRC let i=i+1 |
| 11:45:02 | scorche | linuxstb: yes...as far as we know, they are not infringing |
| 11:45:15 | markun | morrijr: I can't find a seq command here |
| 11:45:24 | morrijr | Nico_P: the advanced bash scripting guide is very good |
| 11:45:31 | morrijr | markun: what platform? |
| 11:45:36 | markun | FreeBSD |
| 11:45:42 | morrijr | ah, don't have sorry. |
| 11:45:48 | Nico_P | morrijr: yes, but sometimes it's hard to find one precise thing in it |
| 11:46:12 | morrijr | Nico_P: true. |
| 11:48:28 | linuxstb | scorche: And what if a third party reports it? |
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| 11:48:56 | scorche | linuxstb: http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/faq#QID130 |
| 11:50:26 | scorche | oh...sorry..third part |
| 11:50:30 | scorche | y |
| 11:51:05 | linuxstb | So the answer is yes. |
| 11:51:23 | linuxstb | "Once notice is given to the service provider, or in circumstances where the service provider discovers the infringing material itself, it is required to expeditiously remove, or disable access to, the material." |
| 11:52:20 | linuxstb | i.e. if we discover something is infringing, we're obligated to remove it. So I would read that as saying that we're still free to remove anything we notice as infringing. |
| 11:52:21 | scorche | no...we immediately dismiss them as they are not the copyright owner and did not follow the correct format (if we dont investigate if it is truely infringing, we dont have knowledge that it is) |
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| 11:52:41 | scorche | but yes...we are free to remove anything |
| 11:52:47 | linuxstb | scorche: So are you saying you would want to keep the Simpsons theme? |
| 11:53:06 | scorche | sure |
| 11:53:57 | linuxstb | OK, then we differ... I don't think we should be hosting themes that are obvious copyright violations. |
| 11:54:20 | scorche | just like a wiki, the theme repository is a user-driven site...the big difference is that rockbox was responsible for infringing content on the wiki, where we are under safe harbour on the new site |
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| 11:56:00 | linuxstb | I'm not talking about legal technicalities, just the fact that we've always said that rockbox.org takes (C) violation seriously. Was that just talk? |
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| 11:57:18 | GodEater | linuxstb has a point |
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| 11:58:47 | Llorean | Well, we if we have an "if anyone reports an apparent copyright violation, we will take down the theme until it can be determined if the appropriate permission was had" then whoever's verifying the theme can simply 'report' to themselves, and ask for some verification before allowing it to be posted. |
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| 11:59:07 | Llorean | I'm gonna have to agree that if it's an obvious violation, we shouldn't let it go up. |
| 11:59:12 | scorche | linuxstb: so we should be personally investigating each image that looks like it might be copyrighted to make sure they dont have permission and/or are the author, thereby giving us liability of ANY infringement of the site? |
| 11:59:44 | Llorean | scorche: See my above statement. We as a site don't investigate each image, but we investigate all reports. |
| 11:59:58 | Llorean | Wouldn't that allow safe harbor to be preserved? |
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| 12:00:40 | scorche | yes...reports are a different story if they are filed in the correct manner (simply giving all information and not saying "uh...xxx looks like it could be infringing") |
| 12:01:02 | Llorean | What's all the correct information? |
| 12:01:11 | Llorean | "X copyrght is held by Fox"? |
| 12:01:31 | scorche | http://www.chillingeffects.org/dmca512/faq#QID130 |
| 12:01:44 | delYsid | I've added another backend (Cepstral swift) to the voice generation stuff. How do I submit the patch such that it gets into SVN? |
| 12:01:56 | scorche | although, i would accept a third party report as something to be investigated |
| 12:02:03 | linuxstb | scorche: I'm just saying that if any of us spot any obvious copyright violations we should take the theme down. |
| 12:02:28 | * | JdGordon agrees |
| 12:02:36 | Llorean | linuxstb: And I'm agreeing very strongly. |
| 12:03:02 | pixelma | delYsid: usual procedure is posting it to the patch tracker and nagging devs (here) ;) |
| 12:03:02 | scorche | linuxstb: if you report it as a user, then fine...but as a provider, we cannot be wondering whether xxxx mgith be infringing or not |
| 12:03:07 | JdGordon | but doesnt that imply that we are checking the images of every submission? |
| 12:03:07 | Llorean | scorche: I think we should just say that "if anyone reports an apparent copyright violation you may be asked to show you have the appropriate copyrights for your WPS before it is returned to the index" |
| 12:03:09 | linuxstb | scorche: That's why I used the SImpsons as an example - you can't get any more obvious than that. |
| 12:03:30 | Llorean | scorche: Then anyone who spots an obvious one can take it down and ask for more information without us saying we investigate (and accept liability) for everything posted. |
| 12:03:37 | scorche | JdGordon: yes it does, which is why it is very important to ahve the user/provider separation |
| 12:04:25 | JdGordon | so, in that case. shouldnt the submissions be checked by a script so we cant say we purposly let something obviously infringing through. |
| 12:04:27 | linuxstb | scorche: I have no problem with user/provider separation. But you seemed to be saying that if a user reported a Simpsons theme you would ignore that report? |
| 12:05:00 | Llorean | JdGordon: We want scripts anyway, but nobody's written them yet. |
| 12:05:26 | scorche | linuxstb: i said a few lines up that i would take a third party report as something to be investigated provided it includes all pertinent information |
| 12:06:41 | linuxstb | scorche: Then I think we're all agreeing again. |
| 12:06:53 | JdGordon | ... we cant have that! |
| 12:06:55 | scorche | "investigation" as i refer to it would include us asking the author if he has the permission of the author and/or if he made the image himself and didnt use copyrighted works |
| 12:08:14 | scorche | depending on if he linked us to an identical image or not |
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| 12:10:31 | linuxstb | delYsid: Upload the patch to flyspray - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/ |
| 12:11:43 | The-Compiler | Hi there |
| 12:12:04 | GodEater | bash weenies again: why does the bash man page state that the format for the "for" command is "for x in stuff;do things;done"? This works on the command line, but in a shell script, the second ";" is treated as a syntax error. |
| 12:12:39 | linuxstb | GodEater: Can you paste your script? |
| 12:13:22 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/675617 |
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| 12:13:44 | GodEater | I had to remove that latter ";" to get it to work |
| 12:14:05 | linuxstb | The one at the end of line 3? |
| 12:14:26 | GodEater | no - the one which should preceed "done" |
| 12:14:31 | GodEater | according to the bash man page that is |
| 12:14:32 | B4gder | GodEater: the semicolon is there instead of a newline when you do them on a single line |
| 12:14:41 | GodEater | B4gder: ah - that simple |
| 12:14:46 | GodEater | so I don't even need the first one really |
| 12:14:50 | B4gder | correct |
| 12:14:55 | GodEater | thank you |
| 12:15:13 | linuxstb | It seems "; ls" is a syntax error, but "ls ;" is OK... |
| 12:15:58 | GodEater | man these files are huge |
| 12:16:07 | * | linuxstb doesn't fully understand the bash syntax... |
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| 12:16:45 | GodEater | it does seem a little inconsistent at times |
| 12:17:33 | ddalton | anyone interested in an update for p7525? |
| 12:17:44 | delYsid | well, "; ls" is invalid because of the empty command before ;. ":; ls" is valid though :) |
| 12:17:53 | GodEater | apologies for the off topic chatter. Normal service may now be resumed. |
| 12:19:26 | morrijr | GodEater: you shouldn't need the one at the end of the for line either. CR counts as a command seperator unless preseded with a \ |
| 12:20:00 | GodEater | morrijr: I think I said that earlier when B4gder explained |
| 12:20:16 | morrijr | GodEater: sorry, must make this window bigger! |
| 12:20:23 | GodEater | :) |
| 12:20:45 | B4gder | better make it full-screen so that work won't interfere with it! |
| 12:21:00 | morrijr | lol - yeah, that's the heart of the matter |
| 12:23:22 | scorche | |
| 12:23:23 | scorche | Is there anything that still needs to be addressed (including things you suggested that i havent changed yet in case i forgot) re: the new themes site? |
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| 12:24:52 | linuxstb | delYsid: So why is "ls;" valid? Isn't there an empty command after the ; ? |
| 12:28:01 | * | scorche takes the silence to mean that we can begin to make the site live |
| 12:28:32 | Llorean | scorche: Don't worry, if we think of anything later, we'll be sure to blame you for taking it live now. :-p |
| 12:28:40 | scorche | oh!... linuxstb: did you still want a copy of the code to double check that it is secure before it goes live? |
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| 12:29:16 | scorche | Llorean: as expected...tonight should be the thick of the grilling though =) |
| 12:30:01 | linuxstb | scorche: Sure, but I'm not sure I'll have time to look at it today. |
| 12:30:39 | scorche | linuxstb: as long as it is sometime in the next week or so, it should be good |
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| 12:47:28 | delYsid | When using voice navigation (I'm blind) can I turn off my LCD altogether to save power? |
| 12:47:39 | Nico_P | delYsid: yes |
| 12:47:54 | delYsid | cute! |
| 12:47:55 | Nico_P | at least the backlight... what DAP do you have ? |
| 12:48:08 | delYsid | Sansa e280 |
| 12:48:56 | scorche | the LCDs dont take much power...the backlight is the real drain...and on some devices, the lcd isnt updated when the backlight is off |
| 12:50:55 | delYsid | well, I read FM tuner quality can be degenerated by LCD updates. SO I was thinking why not disable them... |
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| 13:04:09 | pneumatic | hey guys, im new to rockbox |
| 13:04:28 | pneumatic | hey |
| 13:04:49 | pneumatic | guys, with rockbox |
| 13:05:15 | pneumatic | if i dont want it anymore do i just run the itunes ipod factory defaults function |
| 13:05:39 | scorche | there are uninstallation procedures in the manual |
| 13:06:14 | preglow | what are your feelings on trading precision off for speed by default in codecs? |
| 13:06:31 | scorche | that will remove rockbox, but is akin to killing a mosquito with a cannon |
| 13:07:02 | preglow | linuxstb: did you get anywhere else with the i2s stuff yesterday, btw? |
| 13:07:26 | linuxstb | preglow: I didn't try anything. But reading the logs, didn't amiconn get somewhere? |
| 13:07:36 | Llorean | preglow: In general? |
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| 13:08:27 | preglow | Llorean: well, yeah, i'm looking at the musepack patch here that trades some precision for speed on arm |
| 13:08:35 | preglow | Llorean: i doubt people can hear a difference, though |
| 13:08:58 | Llorean | Yeah, if people can't here the difference (or are unlikely to without a special setup) I don't really see it as "bad |
| 13:09:07 | preglow | i'm really not all that keen on having the codecs produce different output on different targets, but i also don't want to say no to better battery life |
| 13:09:18 | Llorean | Though I'd prefer it only be done in situations where there's a real gain (targets where music skips with peakmeters or while in plugins) rather than as a general policy. |
| 13:09:24 | linuxstb | preglow: Would it actually have a noticable affect on battery life? |
| 13:09:35 | preglow | linuxstb: i'm not at all sure, i don't see why not, if we've done our stuff properly |
| 13:09:43 | Llorean | You'd need a pretty good boost reduction to gain measurable battery life on iPods right now |
| 13:09:53 | preglow | less time spent in decoding -> fewer cycles spent -> more battery |
| 13:10:09 | delYsid | preglow: I'd prefer an option, my ears are pretty good and I'd like to decide for myself if I want to trade battery life for quality. |
| 13:10:13 | linuxstb | preglow: Sure, but I think I would like to see the results of an actual runtime test. |
| 13:10:17 | linuxstb | ^tests |
| 13:10:21 | Llorean | Being boosted vs unboosted only makes something like a 30% difference in battery drain if I remember the measurements. |
| 13:10:23 | Llorean | Maybe less |
| 13:10:38 | Llorean | So a 5% boost reduction is only going to get us something like a 1.5% increase in battery life? |
| 13:11:03 | Llorean | Actually I think those numbers were for boost/unboost on the sansa. |
| 13:11:43 | Llorean | delYsid: "my ears are pretty good" doesn't mean you'll be able to hear it, a lot of time loss of precision is below the level the cheap portable DACs can output reliably anyway. |
| 13:11:47 | preglow | i really can't be bothered to do any runtime tests |
| 13:11:58 | preglow | so i guess i'll just commit the patch with the speed opt disabled for now |
| 13:12:07 | amiconn | Llorean: That's not entirely true. Regardless of whether unused functional units in the PP are disabled or enabled, it shows a pretty linear MHz->power consumption dependency |
| 13:12:28 | preglow | Llorean: afaik, the loss of precision here is on the order of the last bit |
| 13:12:38 | preglow | i'd be surprised if anyone could hear that |
| 13:12:43 | Llorean | preglow: Do we know the boost% gain? |
| 13:12:46 | amiconn | And the PP is the next biggest power sucker after the backlight |
| 13:12:59 | preglow | i'll check it out |
| 13:13:12 | amiconn | (*especially* with the unused functional units enabled) |
| 13:13:13 | Llorean | amiconn: Wouldn't a 3:1 ratio between boost% reduction and battery life increase be "linear"? |
| 13:13:51 | amiconn | The mapping isn't linear. You need to calculate the effective MHz from the boost percentage |
| 13:14:11 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 13:14:25 | amiconn | So if you have 50% boost on ipod, the effective clock is 55MHz |
| 13:14:36 | Llorean | Ah, yes, because unboost isn't 0 |
| 13:14:37 | preglow | argh, the bloody usb hang |
| 13:15:34 | Llorean | Still, my point was more or less "small boost gains aren't going to get a significant battery life increase, so if there is a chance they'll be audible and it's in a codec that already is unlikely to skip, I'm generally against it" |
| 13:16:05 | Llorean | But least significant bit type stuff isn't a big deal, most people have already lost that somewhere anyway |
| 13:16:42 | preglow | argh, the codec linker bug :/ |
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| 13:18:47 | Llorean | I mean people do expect Rockbox to "improve" sound quality, so we don't need to hand them too many placebos. ;) |
| 13:20:04 | preglow | boost ratio goes from 253.37% -> 340.59% for a 140 kbps file |
| 13:20:28 | Llorean | That's a pretty big improvement |
| 13:20:30 | * | Llorean votes for it. |
| 13:20:44 | linuxstb | preglow: Would that be the kind of thing to make a global setting? i.e. to specify speed vs accuracy. Would it be even be feasible to make it a run-time setting? |
| 13:21:00 | preglow | linuxstb: sure, don't see why not, it's just a question of code structure |
| 13:21:04 | Llorean | linuxstb: Maybe a #AUDIOPHILE define while building? |
| 13:21:05 | Llorean | Heh |
| 13:21:12 | preglow | but i don't know whether we'd want it or not |
| 13:21:26 | preglow | it's hard to say where to stop trading off accuracy |
| 13:21:48 | preglow | anyway, then, i'll be commiting this, with a big fat message that arm targets now have somewhat less accuracy |
| 13:21:55 | amiconn | Well, several other codecs already sacrifice the lsb |
| 13:21:55 | linuxstb | Again, I think it comes down to what the real-life runtime difference would be. |
| 13:21:56 | preglow | and encourage people to report if they can hear a difference |
| 13:22:00 | preglow | amiconn: many |
| 13:22:51 | Llorean | linuxstb: I think going from 2.5x to 3.4x realtime is probably going to make a measurable difference. At the very least it'll make it easier to use the EQ and other things. |
| 13:23:53 | preglow | i haven't got a chance in hell to tell the difference here, that's for sure |
| 13:24:14 | linuxstb | Llorean: Isn't 2.5% already enough for the EQ? |
| 13:24:27 | * | linuxstb seems to recall having this discussion months ago... |
| 13:24:28 | preglow | sure |
| 13:25:11 | Llorean | linuxstb: It's enough, I think. But then someone wants to play jewels. |
| 13:25:56 | preglow | i'll have a chat with the musepack people to see if they're interested in adapting some of this patch too |
| 13:26:03 | preglow | there are actualy accuracy improvements in it as well |
| 13:26:42 | Llorean | I think as long as it's unlikely people will hear it, it's probably fine. |
| 13:28:09 | preglow | we'll soon find out if they do |
| 13:28:35 | linuxstb | preglow: I think I agree that in this case, go for speed... As you say, we can always revert to high accuracy if there's a strong demand. |
| 13:28:59 | preglow | it's worth finding out what people think about the issue anyway |
| 13:29:00 | linuxstb | What was the musepack developer's view on it? |
| 13:29:07 | preglow | i'm sure someone (at least from the musepack dev camp) will holler |
| 13:29:17 | preglow | they're sceptical, but they're a weird bunch anyway ;) |
| 13:29:22 | preglow | Seed: hiya |
| 13:29:45 | preglow | i'm gonna have a chat with them about adapting parts of the patch soon anyway |
| 13:32:08 | preglow | anyway, this patch speed up coldfire as well (for some reason) |
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| 13:37:31 | jeeger | Hey, is it normal that the iPod is switched on when charging? |
| 13:37:44 | linuxstb | Yes. It's like that in Apple's firmware. |
| 13:37:45 | jeeger | (5G) |
| 13:37:56 | * | jeeger bangs head against wall |
| 13:38:04 | jeeger | That was a swift retaliation^^ |
| 13:39:07 | amiconn | Most targets do that, not just ipods. A very few don't (like the iriver H1x0s) |
| 13:39:15 | jeeger | But judgement on the endless rebooting with idle poweroff is still out, right? The bug report was a bit inconclusive. |
| 13:39:40 | jeeger | A solution would be to simply switch off idle poweroff when on some sort of wall power. |
| 13:40:07 | linuxstb | IIUC, idle poweroff shouldn't happen when the device is charging. Maybe the 5g isn't correctly detecting charging. |
| 13:40:15 | jeeger | Ah |
| 13:40:51 | jeeger | Yeah, it charges only via USB, so perhaps rockbox thinks it's not charging, but in disk mode or something. |
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| 13:40:58 | linuxstb | Do you get a "charging" icon when it's charging? |
| 13:41:09 | jeeger | Nope. |
| 13:41:17 | linuxstb | Then that explains it. |
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| 13:41:23 | jeeger | But the battery status is "charging" |
| 13:41:39 | jeeger | So rockbox does not correctly detect charging on the iPod 5G? |
| 13:41:52 | Llorean | linuxstb: USB chargers haven't been properly entering "charger" mode for some time now, I think. At least for some people |
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| 13:42:03 | Llorean | jeeger: It correctly detects it, or you'd reboot instantly |
| 13:42:32 | Llorean | linuxstb: Started about the same time peoples iPods started rebooting even if they held Menu while inserting a PC USB cable, I believe |
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| 13:43:18 | jeeger | Could someone point me to the svn for rockbox and the code part that is responsible for charging detection? |
| 13:43:28 | Llorean | jeeger: The problem is that even though it's charging, Rockbox doesn't go into "charging" status (use different backlight timeout, show charging icon, etc) |
| 13:43:59 | jeeger | Yep. |
| 13:44:03 | jeeger | But why not^^? |
| 13:44:13 | linuxstb | jeeger: Because no-one has implemented it... |
| 13:44:32 | linuxstb | Can you go into the Debug->View IO Ports screen and see what values change when you attach your charger? |
| 13:44:33 | amiconn | Rockbox handles usb power a little different from normal charger power (which would be firewire power in case of ipods) |
| 13:44:44 | jeeger | found svn |
| 13:44:55 | jeeger | linuxstb: moment |
| 13:46:33 | jeeger | amiconn: Problem is that the 5G ipods don't have a firewire cable and a firewire charger, and firewire is disabled |
| 13:47:09 | jeeger | linuxstb: As far as I can see, nothing changes |
| 13:47:56 | linuxstb | jeeger: You're using a USB charger connected to a wall socket? |
| 13:48:03 | jeeger | Yep |
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| 13:48:21 | preglow | ok, that was that |
| 13:48:23 | preglow | gym time, then |
| 13:49:27 | jeeger | http://www.pearl.de/p/PE9476-revolt-USB-Netzteil-110-240V-fuer-iPod-und-MP3-Player.html |
| 13:49:33 | jeeger | Like this (sorry for the german) |
| 13:52:37 | jeeger | linuxstb: I just noticed: GPIO_L changes from 28 to 38 |
| 13:53:28 | jeeger | And GPIO_E from 20 to 21 |
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| 13:54:04 | linuxstb | Hmm... The check in the code is for a different bit in GPIO_L - see the charger_inserted() function in firmware/target/arm/ipod/power-ipod.c IIUC, it's that function that stops the idle poweroff. |
| 13:55:36 | jeeger | I actually have an iPod video. |
| 13:55:38 | amiconn | jeeger: 5G can charge fine from a firewire charger (and faster than from usb) |
| 13:55:56 | jeeger | amiconn: But no firewire cable with new ipods :'-( |
| 13:56:08 | linuxstb | jeeger: Yes, I know you have an ipod video. |
| 13:56:37 | jeeger | linuxstb: So i'll check if the same bits (or more) change when I get a USB connection |
| 13:58:44 | jeeger | yep, the exact same changes. |
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| 14:02:36 | jeeger | IIUC, the charger_inserted function always returns true with my false with my ipod, since both 28 and 38 have the fourth bit set |
| 14:02:47 | jeeger | sorry, always returns false |
| 14:03:14 | amiconn | charger_inserted() detects the main charger pin (i.e. firewire charger) |
| 14:03:24 | amiconn | USB charging is detected elsewhere |
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| 14:03:53 | amiconn | So powermgmt needs fixing, not charger detection |
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| 14:05:16 | jeeger | Yep |
| 14:05:31 | jeeger | that would be the usb_powered function, right? |
| 14:05:43 | amiconn | Should be, yes |
| 14:06:48 | jeeger | Argh. This looks a bit more complicated0_0 |
| 14:08:13 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do USB chargers work on other (non-ipod) targets? |
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| 14:08:37 | jeeger | I was just wondering |
| 14:10:23 | linuxstb | IIUC, "usb_state" is only being set to USB_POWERED if the user is holding the "charge" button whilst inserting USB. |
| 14:11:22 | jeeger | if((button_status() & ~USBPOWER_BTN_IGNORE) == USBPOWER_BUTTON) |
| 14:11:27 | jeeger | This looks like it. |
| 14:11:32 | jeeger | But what is the charge button? |
| 14:11:54 | jeeger | on an ipod |
| 14:11:55 | linuxstb | It's a button you can hold when attaching your device to a computer via USB so that it charges, rather than enters disk mode. |
| 14:12:02 | linuxstb | It's MENU on the ipods. |
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| 14:12:13 | jeeger | Ah |
| 14:12:28 | jeeger | So I should get charging mode if I hold menu when connecting the iPod. I'll try that out. |
| 14:12:59 | linuxstb | I would expect that to only work when connecting to a computer, not to a charger. |
| 14:13:13 | jeeger | I tried it with the computer, it works. |
| 14:13:14 | linuxstb | When you connect to a charger, a USB connection isn't detected. |
| 14:13:49 | jeeger | Nope, just works for a short time. The iPod reboots and enters disk mode |
| 14:14:33 | linuxstb | Yes, that's another reported bug... You may need to hold MENU for a few (maybe 10 or more) seconds. |
| 14:15:41 | jeeger | ah |
| 14:16:01 | linuxstb | Maybe the computer retries the connection, and that triggers a positive detection... |
| 14:17:11 | jeeger | Yeah, dmsg gives me several read errors, that points to a retry |
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| 14:18:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, on a few (but not all). And most targets with a hw bridge cannot distinguish an usb charger from an usb port, so you always have to use the usb power button |
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| 14:19:03 | jeeger | Is that the USBPOWER_BTN_IGNORE mask? |
| 14:22:08 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK. I think the current issue is that usb_detect() on PP returns false when a charger is connected, so the current state will never be USB_POWERED. |
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| 14:31:21 | austriancoder | petur: ping |
| 14:31:22 | petur | hi austriancoder |
| 14:31:22 | petur | saw my mail? |
| 14:32:03 | austriancoder | petur: yes... i am using command verifyer some days ago and I am fixing all problems |
| 14:32:13 | petur | nice |
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| 14:32:42 | austriancoder | petur: using interrupts... I dont know.. need to have a talk to jhMikeS |
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| 14:33:19 | petur | windows already reported it saw an UMS, and failed to install the driver (wanted reboot,etc) - probably caused by the dummy id? |
| 14:34:47 | austriancoder | petur: no scsi commands are handeld.. have some basic stuff at my pc but I need some hours to have it commitable.. |
| 14:34:48 | petur | austriancoder: check today's log around 1:05, jhMike tried to tell something there but I was half asleep already ;) |
| 14:35:21 | petur | +S |
| 14:35:57 | austriancoder | petur: Can i use an own thread in an usb device driver? I want to have a worker thread which to the real stuff.. reading ata sectors,.. and it gets it commands from the storage device driver |
| 14:37:15 | petur | I don't know how it is handled now, in the main thread I guess... |
| 14:37:37 | petur | that would probably do it for now too? |
| 14:37:47 | austriancoder | it should |
| 14:38:22 | austriancoder | petur: i will switch back to interrups if everything works as expected.. is this okay for you? |
| 14:38:32 | petur | sure |
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| 14:41:28 | * | austriancoder _must_ no go shopping with his girlfirend :/ |
| 14:41:36 | austriancoder | s/no/now |
| 14:42:22 | petur | get married, then she'll go alone :p |
| 14:42:46 | petur | (this strategy does have a bad financial aspect) |
| 14:43:16 | austriancoder | i am too young to get married... ;) |
| 14:43:20 | austriancoder | see ya later |
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| 14:46:06 | * | petur wonders about the effect of $2000 on austriancoder and the shopping habbits of his girlfriend :) |
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| 14:48:19 | jeeger | Is there some guide on getting into rockbox codinG? |
| 14:49:01 | linuxstb | Not really... There are some docs in the wiki, but mostly it's a case of read, learn, and ask other devs. |
| 14:49:11 | jeeger | hm thought so^^ |
| 14:50:16 | jeeger | Because I like the idle shutdown, but not the ability not to charge up to 100% |
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| 14:58:47 | jeeger | Anyway, I'll be off. Maybe I'll come back |
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| 15:01:55 | JdGordon | anyone have any ideas about what to do with the SYSFONT lang ids? and the screens requiring them? |
| 15:02:49 | amiconn | The screens need to be fixed not to use the sysfont |
| 15:03:03 | JdGordon | obviously.... ideas how though? |
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| 15:04:36 | * | petur suggests viewports and runs |
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| 15:04:47 | JdGordon | wouldnt really help here though |
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| 15:05:11 | petur | where's here? |
| 15:05:16 | linuxstb | Which screens are we talking about? |
| 15:05:19 | JdGordon | here, there, everywhere |
| 15:05:23 | JdGordon | pitch screen mostly |
| 15:05:29 | rasher | Recording for one |
| 15:05:31 | JdGordon | and quickscreen if the user font doesnt fit |
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| 15:05:44 | JdGordon | rec screen should get wps-ified :) |
| 15:05:50 | petur | yups |
| 15:05:55 | petur | WRS |
| 15:06:21 | rasher | The _SYSFONT_ strings also inflate the voice files by quite a bit |
| 15:06:31 | petur | but why change now if viewports are coming (and have another code change) |
| 15:06:48 | linuxstb | How would viewports help? |
| 15:06:50 | * | JdGordon wonders how much prodding viewports is going to take... |
| 15:07:11 | petur | not as much help as change the way things can be done |
| 15:07:19 | amiconn | It doesn't have to do with prodding, but with limited coding time and priorities |
| 15:07:51 | petur | amiconn: apply for GSoC next year ;) |
| 15:07:53 | * | JdGordon once again offers his coding time if someone writes up the way they rekon it should work |
| 15:07:55 | amiconn | I know viewports are important, but low-level things working properly even more |
| 15:08:02 | markun | jhMikeS: what do you think about fs#7487? |
| 15:08:25 | amiconn | petur: (1) I'm not a student, so that's probably impossible. (2) I won't register with google. period. |
| 15:08:40 | JdGordon | Nico_P: how simple would getting the wps token handling code working with the rec/fm screen be? |
| 15:08:55 | markun | amiconn: I would also prefer better battery life for ipods than viewports (even if I don't have an ipod) |
| 15:09:31 | * | petur is a happy google user as long as they offer free bandwidth and storage :) |
| 15:09:50 | * | JdGordon agrees with petur |
| 15:11:37 | markun | amiconn: yes, come over to the dark side :) |
| 15:11:43 | Nico_P | JdGordon: not too hard but we'd need to separate WPS tokens from WRS tokens |
| 15:11:59 | Nico_P | the parser would be the same obviously |
| 15:12:34 | Nico_P | most of the drawing code could be the same too |
| 15:13:11 | JdGordon | it would need its own buffers though right? reusing the wps ones would slow down swithing too much? |
| 15:14:30 | Nico_P | JdGordon: yeah, you'd need to reload the WPS if you used the same buffer. |
| 15:15:31 | JdGordon | I wonder who would be in favour of offering a really stripped down version of the wps for the archos' so we could get rombox going again |
| 15:15:57 | Nico_P | what do you mean by that ? disabling some tokens ? |
| 15:16:00 | JdGordon | then have 2 versions of the radio screen for the same reason |
| 15:16:06 | JdGordon | Nico_P: yeah, and images |
| 15:16:21 | JdGordon | #ifdef HAVE_UBERFANCYGUI |
| 15:16:40 | JdGordon | or #ifdef HAVE_LOOKS_BUT_NO_BRAINS ? |
| 15:17:18 | linuxstb | But doesn't that mean we would still have the existing problems (i.e. sysfont) for the !HAVE_UBERFANCYGUI ? |
| 15:17:50 | JdGordon | yes, probably |
| 15:18:04 | Nico_P | what exactly is the sysfont problem ? |
| 15:18:18 | JdGordon | forcsing ascii only letters on some screens |
| 15:18:44 | JdGordon | but i sort of moved on from that already :p |
| 15:19:20 | parafin | where i can find version string in source? |
| 15:19:22 | amiconn | The tokens itself seem to be pretty efficient |
| 15:19:28 | Nico_P | JdGordon: disabling some tokens would probably give a nice code size decrease |
| 15:19:32 | parafin | which displayed during boot |
| 15:19:44 | bluebrother | parafin: you can't ... it's generated during build |
| 15:19:47 | * | JdGordon remembers dropping 1k or somethign when the rtc tags were disabled |
| 15:19:53 | bluebrother | check for svnversion.sh calls. |
| 15:19:59 | Nico_P | amiconn: the token code you mean ? |
| 15:20:02 | JdGordon | parafin: version.h has the variable you proabbly are after |
| 15:20:06 | amiconn | Getting rid of the LANG_SYSFONT cruft and then limiting the sysfont to ascii only will most probably save more |
| 15:20:44 | JdGordon | I thought sysfont was already ascii only? thats why the SYSFONT langs were needed? |
| 15:20:47 | amiconn | Nico_P: I mean that each individual token doesn't add very much code |
| 15:20:59 | amiconn | JdGordon: No, sysfont is iso8859-1 |
| 15:21:26 | amiconn | So you need LANG_SYSFONT for non-latin languages |
| 15:22:06 | amiconn | And yes, viewports will make the transition to the UI font easier |
| 15:22:19 | JdGordon | how? |
| 15:22:30 | JdGordon | part of the problem is too much text on the screen for large fonts |
| 15:22:31 | amiconn | There are 2 obvious cases: (1) quickscreen. (2) button bar |
| 15:23:18 | amiconn | The quickscreen staggers the text for Left and Right, because otherwise rather long texts would overlap |
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| 15:23:53 | amiconn | With viewports, every text would just get assigned one half of the screen - and it would scroll _within_ that area if it's long |
| 15:24:06 | amiconn | -> no stagger -> less lines |
| 15:28:20 | * | linuxstb reads about the Rockbox sim running on a phone - http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13257 |
| 15:31:19 | JdGordon | looks like we might have an excuse to make the sim more of a target soon... |
| 15:32:33 | bluebrother | more of a target? |
| 15:33:07 | linuxstb | "rockbox-as-application" |
| 15:33:16 | bluebrother | bah ... |
| 15:33:51 | linuxstb | I think there's a place for both though - the existing sim, and a specific SDL (or whatever) target. |
| 15:33:54 | JdGordon | well.. now we know it for sure works... PSP, gp2x, ... all very possible |
| 15:34:24 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I've been looking at the WPS code again and the thing is we'd nee something like enum wrs_token_type |
| 15:34:47 | Nico_P | but the other structs in the code want enum wps_token_type... maybe an union could do |
| 15:35:03 | * | Nico_P will be back in a sec |
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| 15:36:47 | JdGordon | Nico_P: I dont think so... why not tack them on the end of that enum? |
| 15:36:59 | JdGordon | and have a WPS_LAST_WPS_TOKEN sperating them? |
| 15:37:24 | LinusN | bluebrother: i have an issue with rbutil-qt |
| 15:37:25 | petur | linuxstb: from what I read on the last pages, he's moving already away from SDL. Didn't see him offer any files (both exe and source) |
| 15:37:47 | bluebrother | LinusN: tell me about it |
| 15:37:48 | Nico_P | JdGordon: doesn't feel very clean to me |
| 15:38:04 | JdGordon | Nico_P: feels less of a hack than what your suggesting... |
| 15:38:06 | Nico_P | we'd want the WRS tokens with the recording screen code if it exists |
| 15:38:11 | parafin | bluebrother, thanx, i found it |
| 15:38:21 | linuxstb | petur: There's a download at the top of the first page. But yes, I didn't see any source. |
| 15:38:22 | LinusN | the only cowon player is the X5V |
| 15:38:44 | LinusN | lots of empty rows in the device selection list |
| 15:39:29 | bluebrother | hmm. Do you have a rbutil.ini file in the program folder? |
| 15:39:51 | LinusN | ah, maybe i have an old one there, i'll delete it and try again |
| 15:39:52 | JdGordon | Nico_P: I think if we can keep the same code for everything except token->text happening it would be great |
| 15:39:59 | Nico_P | JdGordon: true but actually maybe struct wps_token can be made more generic with type being an int instead of an enum wps_token_type |
| 15:40:21 | JdGordon | no, the enum is good.. just rename it... |
| 15:40:34 | * | JdGordon doesnt see a problem having them all in one enum |
| 15:40:38 | bluebrother | hmm, maybe the name of that file should be changed. |
| 15:40:42 | LinusN | bluebrother: much better now :-) |
| 15:40:48 | bluebrother | great :) |
| 15:41:08 | amiconn | LinusN: Speaking about X5V - we need that radio detection... |
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| 15:41:22 | LinusN | nag nag :-P |
| 15:41:30 | bluebrother | hehe ;-) |
| 15:41:33 | JdGordon | Nico_P: we could maybe add a flag to the enum for the different screens... |
| 15:41:43 | JdGordon | gimme a sec to get something into pastbin.... |
| 15:42:08 | Nico_P | JdGordon: well if everything is in the same enum, we can just have WPS_TOKEN_* and WRS_TOKEN_* |
| 15:42:23 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 15:43:03 | LinusN | bluebrother: one small thing: the installation progress log doesn't seem to be updated |
| 15:43:25 | * | JdGordon would like WPS_* REC_* and WFM_* ... or something |
| 15:43:50 | LinusN | it displays "downloading the file rockbox.zip", and then stays there until all files are extracted, and then you see the rest of the text |
| 15:44:00 | bluebrother | ah, that's intentional. |
| 15:44:14 | LinusN | really? |
| 15:44:19 | bluebrother | the unzip class unfortunately doesn't give use any progress information |
| 15:44:32 | Nico_P | JdGordon: what would WFM stand for ? |
| 15:44:40 | bluebrother | or do you miss the "extraction file" when extraction starts? |
| 15:44:41 | JdGordon | while fm? |
| 15:44:41 | LinusN | it should at least say "download finished" before extracting, shouldn't it? |
| 15:44:54 | bluebrother | it should. /me goes checking |
| 15:44:59 | JdGordon | cant use While Radio Screen if we use While Rec Screen |
| 15:45:10 | * | JdGordon btw hates the WPS term :p |
| 15:45:26 | Nico_P | have a better one ? |
| 15:45:32 | LinusN | i only see "downloading", and then the 4 remaining lines come at the same time, when the installation is done |
| 15:46:35 | JdGordon | Nico_P: no :p |
| 15:46:38 | goffa | wow... i don't know what sansa's run.. but this looks cheap |
| 15:46:42 | goffa | http://www.woot.com/ |
| 15:46:47 | goffa | $17 |
| 15:46:50 | goffa | shipped |
| 15:46:55 | goffa | well $18 |
| 15:47:47 | low_light | I have a target tree question about the best way to add the sansa c200 port since it shares much in common with the e200... |
| 15:47:57 | low_light | the only new files for the c200 are for it's lcd & buttons |
| 15:49:08 | * | low_light hears a fire alarm |
| 15:49:20 | LinusN | bluebrother: it crashes when i exit :-( |
| 15:49:23 | JdGordon | low_light: dump em in with the rest of the sansa code then? |
| 15:49:51 | bluebrother | urgh :( |
| 15:49:57 | JdGordon | low_light: I wonder, could the differences be detected at runtime? so we only have one build for both of them? |
| 15:50:50 | low_light | JdGordon: the lcd & buttons are totally different |
| 15:52:07 | LinusN | bluebrother: it crashes if i try to autodetect twice |
| 15:52:18 | LinusN | (btw, it fails to autodetect my x5) |
| 15:52:43 | low_light | I thought I could either make a combined target directory or move the common files into the sandisk dir |
| 15:53:01 | bluebrother | does the x5 have Rockbox already installed? I.e. is rockbox-info.txt present? |
| 15:53:13 | LinusN | i installed it with rbutil |
| 15:53:19 | JdGordon | low_light: I'd do the first, but im lazy... the second is probaly better |
| 15:53:28 | bluebrother | hmm. |
| 15:53:32 | B4gder | low_light: I think the common ones can be put in the sandisk dir |
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| 15:53:59 | B4gder | at least as a start |
| 15:54:11 | LinusN | bluebrother: rockbox-info.txt is there |
| 15:54:12 | Nico_P | JdGordon: you made me want to code when I should be working on math :) |
| 15:54:28 | LiquidDragon | Hey, do you guys think you could help me out |
| 15:54:33 | LinusN | and it says Target: x5 on the first line |
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| 15:54:39 | JdGordon | Nico_P: hehe, no.. you should be coding mob anyway! |
| 15:54:53 | Nico_P | that too |
| 15:55:06 | JdGordon | LiquidDragon: left at the first street, then straight for 300m... then first right |
| 15:55:25 | Nico_P | JdGordon: if you want to make the WPS tokenizer code generic, feel free |
| 15:55:26 | LiquidDragon | lol |
| 15:55:57 | bluebrother | LinusN: ah −− I bet rbutil looks for some different value |
| 15:55:58 | linuxstb | LiquidDragon: You need to ask a question before people can help (sensibly...) |
| 15:56:03 | LiquidDragon | When i hold the play/pause button it shuts down but when i went to use it 8 hours later it was down to 21% battery |
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| 15:57:04 | LiquidDragon | It says it is shutting down and then turns off but why is it still using battery? |
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| 15:59:39 | low_light | B4gder: at first I thought that was best, but now I'm not sure...that would leave only lcd & button files in the e200 and c200 directories |
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| 16:00:00 | B4gder | hm, right... |
| 16:00:17 | low_light | I think maybe a combined taget (like ipod 1g2g) might be best |
| 16:00:27 | B4gder | yes, it seems so |
| 16:00:37 | JdGordon | whats wrong with having a folder with only a fw files? |
| 16:00:41 | JdGordon | few* |
| 16:01:42 | LiquidDragon | anyone have any ideas? |
| 16:01:51 | amiconn | low_light: I see no problem in just 2 files being really target specific |
| 16:02:22 | amiconn | The 1g2g is combined because ipodpatcher cannot distingiush G1 and G2. Apple also uses a combined firmware |
| 16:02:53 | linuxstb | low_light: Do you mean a combined target as in a single build? |
| 16:03:10 | amiconn | firmware/target/arm/ipod/video even has a single file only |
| 16:03:12 | low_light | hmm...if I move them up what would I name them...ata-sandisk (what about the next sandisk target) or ata-e200_c200? |
| 16:03:58 | JdGordon | ata_ce200? |
| 16:04:01 | low_light | linuxstb: different builds, but one target directory. |
| 16:04:08 | amiconn | rasher: around now? |
| 16:04:12 | linuxstb | low_light: Then the 1g2g is a bad example - it's a single build. |
| 16:05:16 | low_light | maybe ata-microsd ? |
| 16:06:16 | bluebrother | iaudio x5 and x5l are the same builds, right? |
| 16:06:20 | JdGordon | -sansa? |
| 16:06:32 | bluebrother | err, x5 and x5v I mean |
| 16:06:52 | amiconn | bluebrother: They are the same hardware except battery (x5l) resp. radio (x5v) |
| 16:07:07 | bluebrother | hmm, but the bootloader is different. |
| 16:07:10 | amiconn | It is also a single build |
| 16:07:43 | low_light | should the adc be adc-ce200 or adc_sansa or adc_as3514 (since it specifically uses the as3514)? |
| 16:07:44 | amiconn | The raw bootloader is identical, just the name (and header?) is different |
| 16:08:04 | rasher | amiconn: Not for long. |
| 16:08:22 | bluebrother | hmm −− makes it harder to detect from the info file |
| 16:08:33 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 16:08:41 | LiquidDragon | So anyone know why my battery runs out when I have shutdown rockbox? |
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| 16:08:59 | rasher | LiquidDragon: What was it before you shut down. What player are you using |
| 16:09:14 | LiquidDragon | 5.5g |
| 16:09:19 | LiquidDragon | It says everything shutdown alright |
| 16:09:34 | amiconn | rasher: I have synchronized vbscript operation running, but imho the code looks rather hackish |
| 16:09:34 | rasher | But what was the battery status before you shut down? |
| 16:09:34 | LiquidDragon | But I turned it on 8 hours later and the battery was at 20% |
| 16:09:42 | LiquidDragon | it was 95% |
| 16:10:27 | amiconn | rasher: amiconn.dyndns.org/voice_sapi.diff">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/voice_sapi.diff in case you want to take a look |
| 16:10:53 | JdGordon | low_light: looks like its up to you... call them whatever you want :) |
| 16:11:04 | amiconn | I am pondering to use a perl object for tts_object |
| 16:11:07 | JdGordon | th adc one should be adc_as3514 though |
| 16:11:21 | Nico_P | low_light: as3514 sounds good to me |
| 16:11:59 | Nico_P | low_light: are you planning on committing the mrobe code too ? |
| 16:12:50 | JdGordon | great... so just when i get my 22" lcd so i can see the whole build table without scrolling, another 5 targets are going to be added and i cant see it all again :p |
| 16:13:27 | rasher | amiconn: at a quick glance, it doesn't look that bad to me |
| 16:13:43 | rasher | I mean, sure it's a bit more complicated, but it also does more, and better. |
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| 16:15:32 | amiconn | rasher: Yeah, but I'm not done yet. Voice selection, speed setting & language matching are still missing, plus sapi4 support |
| 16:16:12 | amiconn | And the if(sapi) {this} else {that} blocks are rather scattered now, plus that ugly array addressing... |
| 16:16:54 | linuxstb | LiquidDragon: When you turned it back on, did it come back on as normal? i.e. showing the apple logo and then the Rockbox logo when you pressed select? |
| 16:17:15 | LiquidDragon | linuxstb: Yes it did |
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| 16:17:29 | rasher | amiconn: language matching? Like what's done for festival now? (in configure) |
| 16:17:30 | LiquidDragon | And it played fine and everything looked ok |
| 16:17:38 | linuxstb | LiquidDragon: Then I've no idea... Although I don't think you're the first person to report strange behaviour like that. |
| 16:17:44 | rasher | amiconn: ie. if you select "italiano", the festival opts are set to "−−language italian" |
| 16:18:08 | low_light | Nico_P: the mrobe will have to wait...I still haven't figured out how init & read the touchpad |
| 16:18:19 | Nico_P | ok |
| 16:18:24 | LiquidDragon | Hmmm, this is strange then |
| 16:18:30 | LiquidDragon | I'll try it again later |
| 16:18:37 | LiquidDragon | Maybe the harddrive was still going or something |
| 16:18:50 | rasher | Anyway, I'm off now. |
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| 16:35:42 | sunjun | hey, i have a sansa e260, without the radio, and every time i start it the radio menu pops up, asking about setting up scanning, is there a way to disable it? |
| 16:36:36 | sunjun | "No settings found. Autoscan?" to be precise |
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| 16:42:28 | preglow | eh? you set the startup screen to radio or something? |
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| 16:44:05 | sunjun | i knew i missed something obvious... thanks |
| 16:44:23 | preglow | anyway, sounds weird that a radio-less device has a radio menu... |
| 16:44:49 | bluebrother | shouldn't the menu auto-adjust if no radio hardware is detected? |
| 16:45:00 | sunjun | the main menu doesnt have the fm menu |
| 16:45:08 | sunjun | but there is a start screen setting for it |
| 16:45:21 | sunjun | could this be a bug? |
| 16:45:24 | bluebrother | ah. |
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| 16:45:44 | bluebrother | yep −− if no radio menu is shown you shouldn't be able selecting it as startup screen. |
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| 16:46:31 | pixelma | seems like radio detection on Sansa is a bit... broken. People in the forums reported it the other way round too, i.e. having a Sansa with radio which isn't always detected (but sometimes) |
| 16:47:05 | LiquidDragon | Hmm, still can't seem to patch rockbox |
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| 16:49:12 | markun | LiquidDragon: what goes wrong? |
| 16:49:45 | LiquidDragon | "missing header for unified diff at line 4 of patch" |
| 16:50:04 | LiquidDragon | So i think that is a problem with the patch itself right? |
| 16:50:06 | markun | which patch? |
| 16:50:22 | LiquidDragon | One of the scroll fix patches |
| 16:50:34 | markun | which one? do you have a link? |
| 16:50:45 | LiquidDragon | Yeah, let me just find it again |
| 16:50:46 | polygonal | I wonder if there is some painless way to crawl throught two files and extract some text from file1 to file2 if appropriate matches are found? some scripting language? perl? |
| 16:52:01 | LiquidDragon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594?histring=ipod%20scrolling |
| 16:52:09 | LiquidDragon | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5594?getfile=14309 |
| 16:52:16 | LiquidDragon | the last one is the patch i had downloaded |
| 16:52:35 | LiquidDragon | polygonal: I can think of a concept idea but I don't know how to code that well in perl |
| 16:54:41 | markun | LiquidDragon: the patch works fine here |
| 16:54:45 | jeeger | polygonal: Perl for the win! |
| 16:55:01 | markun | LiquidDragon: what exactly did you type? |
| 16:55:21 | LiquidDragon | patch -p0 < scroll.patch |
| 16:55:25 | LiquidDragon | and i tried 1-5 |
| 16:55:59 | ical49 | can i join in this forum? |
| 16:56:34 | jeeger | Clickwheel acceleration! Wheee |
| 16:56:54 | parafin | LiquidDragon, patch -p1 works fine |
| 16:57:03 | parafin | with scroll_nostatusbar-20070723.patch |
| 16:57:15 | LiquidDragon | Hmmm |
| 16:57:19 | markun | yes -p1 works here too |
| 16:57:21 | parafin | checked on current svn revision |
| 16:57:32 | parafin | may be you're in wrong directory? |
| 16:57:33 | LiquidDragon | maybe i do not have that setup properly :S |
| 16:57:38 | LiquidDragon | Possibly |
| 16:57:45 | LiquidDragon | I followed the tutorial on the wiki |
| 16:57:54 | LiquidDragon | poked around the forums as ell |
| 16:57:56 | LiquidDragon | well |
| 16:58:02 | LiquidDragon | I am able to compile just not patch |
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| 16:58:12 | parafin | you must be in top directory of sources |
| 16:58:34 | parafin | where all other catalogs is - apps, docs etc |
| 16:58:40 | parafin | ^is^are |
| 16:58:54 | LiquidDragon | ermm, yes i am |
| 16:59:00 | LiquidDragon | Where should i be? |
| 16:59:45 | parafin | i mean you should be there :) |
| 16:59:52 | LiquidDragon | HAHA |
| 16:59:58 | LiquidDragon | Yes, i got something right! |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:13 | LiquidDragon | Still new to rockbox |
| 17:00:43 | parafin | the command should be patch -p1 < scroll_nostatusbar-20070723.patch |
| 17:01:45 | LiquidDragon | I have been trying that |
| 17:01:55 | LiquidDragon | the patch should just be in the root folder right? |
| 17:02:03 | markun | yes |
| 17:02:24 | LiquidDragon | okay that's good then |
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| 17:04:45 | LiquidDragon | So when I get rockbox I should be downloading the Source one right? |
| 17:05:21 | markun | yes, you need the source. You can also download the source with svn. |
| 17:05:37 | LiquidDragon | Alright, I got the source |
| 17:05:55 | LiquidDragon | I am not going to set up svn right now because I only have 2 days left of work here |
| 17:05:58 | LiquidDragon | so no point |
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| 17:14:00 | ical49 | i use rockbox running in my phone motorola e680i |
| 17:18:00 | linuxstb | I assume you're not the developer of that though? |
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| 17:36:30 | * | markun needs a UPS |
| 17:37:44 | * | GodEater does too |
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| 17:40:16 | * | amiconn has one |
| 17:40:30 | * | LiquidDragon needs patches to work |
| 17:41:17 | GodEater | neat - so we need to convince this "blackhawk" person to give us back the code he's modified for the SDL sim |
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| 17:42:09 | amiconn | Well, if he distributes his port, he is obliged to provide the source as per gpl |
| 17:42:23 | * | bluebrother just wanted to say something similar ... |
| 17:42:23 | GodEater | well it would appear he *is* distributing it |
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| 17:42:55 | GodEater | good luck =/ |
| 17:43:56 | linuxstb | GodEater: Ideally "blackhawk" would come here and discuss how to properly port Rockbox as an "application". |
| 17:44:14 | linuxstb | As this idea has been discussed for a long time, but no-one until now has worked on it. |
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| 17:56:11 | Nico_P | Rockbox as an app wouldn't be very nice IMHO |
| 17:56:24 | petur | why? |
| 17:56:45 | petur | add proper keyhandling and gui |
| 17:56:47 | Nico_P | having to navigate with the keyboard in a small window isn't my definition of nice |
| 17:57:03 | petur | add gui buttons next to it |
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| 17:59:01 | fm2 | GodEater: what have you wanted shortcuts to do when a file is selected? Just go to the directory where the file is in and put the cursor on the first file there? Or also position the cursor at the selected file? |
| 17:59:14 | LiquidDragon | Quick question: After I patch I need to remake everything right? |
| 17:59:27 | bluebrother | LiquidDragon: just run "make" |
| 17:59:37 | bluebrother | it rebuilds everything that's necessary |
| 17:59:59 | fm2 | GodEater: because I think my version just statys at the top. I don't know what your version did anymore. |
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| 18:00:01 | LiquidDragon | bluebrother: Thanks, just what I needed to know |
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| 18:00:19 | nerochiaro | quick question: is there a guide to rockboxable players more fleshed out than this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide ? |
| 18:00:32 | linuxstb | Nico_P: The idea is that it wouldn't be a small window - it would be Rockbox built to work with whatever GUI environment you want. So you could use Qt list widgets for example... |
| 18:00:47 | fm2 | BTW: there also was a bug in exists(). open returns a negative value on failure, 0 is a fine file descriptor. |
| 18:01:14 | Nico_P | linuxstb: ha, so that could be nice |
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| 18:04:11 | GodEater | fm2: my version put the cursor on the file |
| 18:05:50 | fm2 | GodEater: I'll check it in mine and will correct this if it doesn't |
| 18:06:28 | GodEater | set_current_file() (which is what I think you use) should just do it automatically |
| 18:07:04 | fm2 | And I think it doesn't :-/ |
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| 18:08:20 | GodEater | fm2: um |
| 18:08:27 | fm2 | GodEater: and if you selected a dir, should the cursor just be at that dir or at the first file *inside* the dir? |
| 18:08:34 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 18:08:39 | GodEater | cursor should be at the dir |
| 18:09:05 | GodEater | which means calling set_current_file() with the dirname minus the trailing slash |
| 18:09:36 | nerochiaro | trovaprezziottp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide ? |
| 18:09:36 | nerochiaro | 18:00 < linuxstb> Nicttp://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide ? |
| 18:09:41 | fm2 | GodEater: hmm... I'd expect it to enter the dir. But it's just one click difference. |
| 18:10:11 | fm2 | GodEater: or I'll introduce another setting −− put cursor at the entry or go into |
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| 18:10:17 | nerochiaro | sorry folks, bad paste |
| 18:10:20 | N[e]o | hi |
| 18:10:25 | N[e]o | i need help guys :) |
| 18:10:41 | N[e]o | i using rockbox , and my font size is too small... |
| 18:11:09 | krazykt | if you've installed the fonts, you can simply select another one |
| 18:11:14 | N[e]o | so what can i do to the font more big? .. |
| 18:11:48 | N[e]o | Yes dude but its hebrew font , and there is blood , large,small,medium and they are all too small :X |
| 18:11:54 | N[e]o | and my eyes getting heart from it |
| 18:12:14 | N[e]o | so i cant choose somthing else :X |
| 18:12:39 | fm2 | GodEater: if it always should put the cursor at the entry, why the need to make difference between dirs and files? Just so the user knows? |
| 18:13:19 | fm2 | Since we could interpret the trailing slash as "go inside" and no slash as "position cursor on it" |
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| 18:13:34 | N[e]o | There is no way to to the font more bigger? and not changing him..... |
| 18:13:39 | krazykt | oh, a hebrew font? N[e]o, if "large" is not large enough, i don't know what to tell you. |
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| 18:14:16 | N[e]o | Man , i pressing on large and it is dont change a lot realy ... i'm not moron or something :P |
| 18:14:32 | fm2 | N[e]o: just select nimbus-19. It has hebrew glyphs |
| 18:14:38 | N[e]o | ok |
| 18:14:40 | N[e]o | thanks :D |
| 18:14:45 | N[e]o | i will try now , sec. |
| 18:14:46 | bluebrother | you don't need a hebrew font. You just need a font that contains hebrew characters |
| 18:14:57 | bluebrother | unifont is the most complete regarding characters ... |
| 18:15:17 | GodEater | fm2: I take it back sorry |
| 18:15:28 | GodEater | fm2: my plugin put the user inside the directory |
| 18:15:32 | GodEater | on the first file |
| 18:15:36 | bluebrother | check rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ for which scripts are supported by which font |
| 18:15:46 | GodEater | but the file selection *definitely* leaves the file selected |
| 18:15:48 | GodEater | I've just tested it |
| 18:16:05 | fm2 | GodEater: ok, that's what I also would expect. |
| 18:16:12 | N[e]o | WOWOWOW |
| 18:16:16 | hcs | is there a file search mechanism anywhere? that's something I'd like to see implemented... |
| 18:16:39 | N[e]o | fm2 I LOVE U IT TOO BIG BUT I HAVE NIMBUS 10 AND 11 AND 14 ETC...SO I CAN USE EM |
| 18:16:40 | GodEater | hcs: have you *used* the virtual keyboard? ;) |
| 18:16:41 | fm2 | But I still have to fix it a bit |
| 18:17:05 | hcs | GodEater: yeah, and it'd still be easier than searching through the HVSC by hand |
| 18:17:17 | hcs | plus I'm looking into improving the virtual keyboard, on another topic... |
| 18:17:18 | fm2 | N[e]o: depends on what dap you have. On an iPod 5g it's ok |
| 18:17:42 | N[e]o | lol |
| 18:17:45 | N[e]o | i have e250 ... |
| 18:17:48 | N[e]o | sandisk |
| 18:18:06 | N[e]o | i got nimbus 19 and 14... i need 16 |
| 18:18:10 | fm2 | N[e]o: and iirc RB even displays hebrew file names right to left |
| 18:18:15 | N[e]o | where can i get it ? :X |
| 18:18:33 | fm2 | N[e]o. It also depends on your eyes :-))) |
| 18:18:53 | N[e]o | there is anoter font that can be good? |
| 18:18:54 | N[e]o | RB? :) |
| 18:19:25 | fm2 | N[e]o: there is no such font in RB as of yet. But if you need it you can create it. |
| 18:19:42 | N[e]o | lol |
| 18:19:50 | bluebrother | N[e]o: check the link I proviced earlier ... |
| 18:20:14 | N[e]o | bluebrother: k , 10x. |
| 18:20:19 | N[e]o | fm2: k,10x :) |
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| 18:21:01 | markun | N[e]o: or here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts |
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| 18:24:20 | Carroarmato0 | Hi, I'm trying to sync my Ipod nano with rockbox on it through amarok... I'm using the new version 1.4.7 which declairs it has support for rockbox... problem is I can't find anything. |
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| 18:24:55 | bluebrother | I always wondered what they claim "rockbox support for ipods". |
| 18:25:14 | bluebrother | but you can use it as generic media device −− or as ipod (if you use the database) |
| 18:26:04 | Carroarmato0 | I tried that... but strangely enough amarok says the device has to be mounted.... while it is already mounted.... |
| 18:26:22 | bluebrother | have you tried asking the amarok guys? |
| 18:26:38 | Carroarmato0 | jup |
| 18:26:53 | N[e]o | i think it will be ok with nimbus 14 :X |
| 18:26:55 | bluebrother | and what did they say? What is this rockbox support? |
| 18:27:13 | Carroarmato0 | the folks there said they don't have any experience with ipod.... ironicly... |
| 18:28:07 | Carroarmato0 | I searched everywhere... even on the amarok web page I can't find nothing with the rockbox ipod combo |
| 18:28:15 | bluebrother | they added support but don't have experience? Strange .. |
| 18:28:23 | Carroarmato0 | yeah... weird |
| 18:28:43 | bluebrother | I (briefly) searched for that too. Not that I would want to use it, but I wanted to know what it is ;-) |
| 18:29:03 | Carroarmato0 | haven't heard of amarok? ^^ |
| 18:29:33 | bluebrother | I'm using it ;-) |
| 18:29:40 | Carroarmato0 | ahh ^^ |
| 18:29:46 | bluebrother | but not for syncing −− still copying the files directly |
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| 18:30:17 | Carroarmato0 | Aha! |
| 18:30:54 | Carroarmato0 | Amarok mounted it as a generic device once I unplugged my ipod and replugged it |
| 18:31:09 | N[e]o | Some one can tell a good font for me? (sandisk e250 player) that can read hebrew too please... |
| 18:31:28 | N[e]o | from the list you gave me ... rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ |
| 18:31:42 | bluebrother | I tried it once for syncing. Disliked the way it renames files, and went back to my old method ;) |
| 18:31:57 | markun | N[e]o: just try them |
| 18:31:59 | bluebrother | N[e]o: that depends entirely on you. Plus, themes usually require you to use a matching font |
| 18:33:17 | Carroarmato0 | Ok I'm transfering all my music now to rockbox... |
| 18:33:46 | Carroarmato0 | It better work Saint Open Source! ;) |
| 18:36:34 | Carroarmato0 | Stupid thing is support for Rockbox devices was implemented in amarok 1.4.6... I have 1.4.7 now.. and they didn't even bothered to write any guide in the wiki or manual... |
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| 18:37:15 | markun | Carroarmato0: maybe you can write that guide when you have figured it out |
| 18:37:24 | krazykt | Carroarmato0, technically, "support" for rockbox has been around as long as "generic audio device" support has been in rockbox |
| 18:37:31 | `sam` | there probably isn't enough users yet that they felt the need to write the guide |
| 18:37:31 | krazykt | er, amarok, rather |
| 18:38:13 | Carroarmato0 | Well as soon as the transfer is finished I'll give it a spin and try to upload a wiki entry... |
| 18:38:50 | Carroarmato0 | Btw what do you suggest I use for rockbox database configuration? Load in Ram? Auto update on? |
| 18:40:12 | markun | Carroarmato0: yes, I would enable both if you plan to use the database a lot |
| 18:40:15 | Carroarmato0 | krazykt: yeah but this is Amarok saying they can handle the files from a rockbox device... it's like Disney: it's magic ;) |
| 18:41:06 | Carroarmato0 | markun: how about directory caching? Still have no idea what it does.... |
| 18:41:34 | markun | turn it on if you browse through your files from time to time (like me) |
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| 18:42:16 | Carroarmato0 | markun: well I'm planning to put pictures on it to view... so I guess I should enable it too... |
| 18:43:26 | Carroarmato0 | Do you still need a patch to use the cover display? |
| 18:43:43 | GodEater | Carroarmato0: yes |
| 18:44:18 | Carroarmato0 | What's keeping it from going mainstream? |
| 18:44:33 | * | bluebrother waves at Domonoky |
| 18:44:44 | Carroarmato0 | Is it still a hack at this stage? |
| 18:45:03 | bluebrother | Carroarmato0: yes. |
| 18:45:08 | bluebrother | Domonoky: we got the first bugs ;-) |
| 18:47:25 | Llorean | GodEater: Honestly, I don't know what those buttons do in the original Gigabeat firmware either. |
| 18:47:35 | Carroarmato0 | now to download some cool wps themes to go on my ipod ^^ |
| 18:47:48 | GodEater | Llorean: it had original firmware ? ;) |
| 18:48:03 | Llorean | So they tell me. |
| 18:50:11 | markun | Llorean: which buttons? |
| 18:51:48 | Llorean | markun: The A button? Does it server to select things and/or as a way to power off for some reason? |
| 18:53:06 | markun | I don't know either what it does, but it should be in here: http://130.89.160.166/Gigabeat/manual.pdf |
| 18:53:45 | GodEater | Llorean: he just referred to using the "Hold" button to power off now |
| 18:54:04 | GodEater | I've just given him a quick guide so he can tell us which buttons he's talking about, because I've lost the plot now |
| 18:56:08 | Llorean | GodEater: I think he meant "holding" the button for poweroff, rather than the "hold" switch |
| 18:56:44 | GodEater | Llorean: I'm so confused now I've no idea what he means - hence my quick guide |
| 18:56:49 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 18:56:57 | GodEater | I hope he takes the hint ;) |
| 18:57:00 | Carroarmato0 | Ah yes, life is good when everything works... thank you people developing rockbox, I take off my hat and give sigars in front of you! |
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| 18:59:11 | Carroarmato0 | Now to bash those twits of amarok that if they say they support a nice system as rockbox... they should at least give a top quality guide on how to use it! ;) |
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| 19:02:03 | Llorean | GodEater: I don't understand his last post. Though as far as I know, none of the side buttons can be used as "Select" in Rockbox, can they? |
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| 19:03:39 | GodEater | Llorean: I'm not sure - I thought there may be a patch for it |
| 19:03:56 | * | amiconn hmpfs |
| 19:05:18 | amiconn | I got a total of 5 freezes today on h180, 3 of them in a row :( |
| 19:05:58 | Llorean | amiconn: Know the cause of any of them? |
| 19:06:10 | amiconn | No, only that they must be voice related |
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| 19:06:39 | Llorean | Ah |
| 19:06:50 | Llorean | I don't use voice on mine, so that would explain why I don't experience it. |
| 19:07:18 | amiconn | That's annoying - I use voice in the car in order to be less distracted - and then the darn thing freezes... |
| 19:07:22 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 19:08:01 | Llorean | You've been saying for a long time voice has some problems. |
| 19:08:30 | smurf | Does anybody have a working rockbox image for an ipod photo? The thing crashes after a few seconds of playing music. |
| 19:08:34 | amiconn | Not on hwcodec though |
| 19:10:55 | Llorean | amiconn: How different is the voice playback for hwcodec vs swcodec? |
| 19:11:06 | n1s | amiconn: were these problems introduced by the voice-splashes patch i committed? |
| 19:11:07 | Llorean | smurf: Which SVN revision are you trying to use? |
| 19:11:08 | amiconn | In the morning (when I got 4 of the 5 freezes) I was running a build from 20 Aug, so I updated in order to have pondlife's latest fix in place, only to get yet another freeze when resuming... |
| 19:11:55 | preglow | amiconn: do you know how retailos sets up i2s/audio codec on the pp5020? |
| 19:11:58 | amiconn | n1s: No, only that it seems the splash voicing makes freezes more likely |
| 19:12:13 | amiconn | preglow: nope |
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| 19:12:36 | smurf | Llorean: A few months ago I upgraded to the latest daily build (without saving the old stuff. Yeah, that was dumb) and it was broken. I just retried with today's. Same result. |
| 19:12:40 | n1s | The only hang I've spotted was when shutting down without stopping playback but that seems to have been fixed by the patch i committed yesterday |
| 19:12:52 | n1s | amiconn: are you using .talk clips? |
| 19:12:59 | amiconn | I am almost sure the data aborts/prefetch aborts on PP with voice enabled and the freezes on coldfire are in fact the same thing |
| 19:13:06 | Llorean | smurf: Are you sure you properly updated? A few months ago the 4Gs had a severe known freezing problem. Today they shouldn't. |
| 19:13:14 | Llorean | smurf: As well, you shouldn't be using dailies, but instead current builds. |
| 19:13:16 | amiconn | n1s: Usually yes, but it also happens with talk clips disabled |
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| 19:14:06 | amiconn | Some address (pointer, probably) gets overwritten or something, causing a wild access |
| 19:14:32 | Febs | smurf: also, make sure that you have the most recent bootloader. |
| 19:14:52 | amiconn | PP will crash with mentioned exceptions, while on coldfire accessing a non-existent location causes a bus hang |
| 19:14:56 | * | Domonoky waves back to bluebrother.. a bit delayed .. :-) |
| 19:15:21 | n1s | amiconn: is it reproducible in the sim? can't test voice on sim, 64 bits here |
| 19:16:03 | smurf | Febs: OK, I'll try that |
| 19:16:10 | amiconn | I have no idea... |
| 19:16:52 | smurf | Llorean: Well, the info screen says "r-14530-070830" ... that looks about right I'd say. |
| 19:17:12 | Llorean | smurf: That's the daily, yes, 3 revisions behind the current. |
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| 19:17:31 | Llorean | smurf: But as Febs said, also make sure your bootloader's updated, and as I said, we don't recommend use of the daily. |
| 19:18:01 | amiconn | If it is what I think, I would guess that it's not reproducable in the sim |
| 19:18:25 | amiconn | Testing in the sim would be a major hassle though |
| 19:19:34 | smurf | Llorean: as the problem has persisted for months, I don't think being a rev behind (build.rockbox.org says r14531) is going to make a difference, but OK. |
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| 19:20:36 | Llorean | smurf: As we haven't established you're using the current bootloader, your actual SVN revision may be irrelevant because your CPU may not be initialized properly |
| 19:21:08 | Llorean | smurf: As for the current revision, being a few behind probably doesn't make a difference here, but we still require it being the current build when you report something because it also often DOES matter. |
| 19:21:08 | smurf | Llorean: already downloading that |
| 19:21:18 | smurf | Llorean: OK |
| 19:21:32 | Llorean | I can't begin to describe to you how often someone reports a bug that exists in the Daily, but is fixed in the Current, for one reason or another |
| 19:24:35 | smurf | Febs: Works now. Thank you! |
| 19:24:44 | Febs | Glad to be of service. |
| 19:26:01 | smurf | Now if the boot loader passed its version number to the main image, and if the image would check that it's not too old, then I'd have figured that one out myself. ;-) |
| 19:26:20 | linuxstb | smurf: That would be too easy... |
| 19:26:59 | smurf | ... now that the ipod works again, who the hell stole my headphones: :-/ |
| 19:27:01 | Llorean | smurf: The new installer should be able to tell you if the last bootloader you installed is now outdated. |
| 19:27:38 | linuxstb | Llorean: Is that implemented now? |
| 19:27:59 | Domonoky | it can tell this only if you installed the bootloader with rbutil |
| 19:29:28 | Domonoky | the checking / md5 ing of the installed bootloader isnt implemented.. |
| 19:29:46 | smurf | The ipod docs say to just download and extract the image, no installer |
| 19:30:09 | Llorean | smurf: Hence the "new", it's not quite "out" yet. ;) |
| 19:30:15 | linuxstb | Yes, the installer isn't released yet, and hence isn't mentioned in the manual. |
| 19:30:30 | linuxstb | The installer authors keep rewritiing it... |
| 19:30:38 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 19:30:51 | * | linuxstb decides to try and build Qt on the Mac again |
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| 19:35:16 | Domonoky | it would be nice to have something like the new theme repository for the fm presets.. the rbutil could also download and install them.. :-) |
| 19:36:02 | Llorean | Domonoky: I liked the old method, a single .zip that had all of them. They were quite small. |
| 19:36:30 | * | bluebrother is looking for a solution to the x5 vs x5v issue |
| 19:36:36 | Llorean | But the Preset Browser would need to show subdirectories |
| 19:36:39 | Domonoky | yeah,but who updates the zip with all the new presets in the wiki ? |
| 19:37:03 | bluebrother | Llorean: well, we could have a presets page similar to the themes one. And auto-generate a zip file with all presets for one country |
| 19:37:20 | Llorean | Domonoky: I used to, for a while, then someone rearranged the whole wiki page and made a lot of changes to everything, and I couldn't keep track of all the changes easily |
| 19:37:23 | bluebrother | could work in a similar way like the themes page |
| 19:37:24 | Llorean | I used to just have to watch a single page. |
| 19:38:25 | Domonoky | bluebrother: which x5v issue ? |
| 19:38:29 | linuxstb | Wouldn't a database of radio channels be better? In fact, there must be such sites already... |
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| 19:39:03 | Llorean | linuxstb: Just give RBUtil the ability to import from an online database, you mean? |
| 19:39:08 | Domonoky | if there is such a page.. it would be nice to use it in rbutil and generate the fm presets.. |
| 19:39:12 | alienbiker99 | so are there really going to be 3 more devs working on the S? |
| 19:39:35 | bluebrother | x5 and x5v use different bootloaders but the same build |
| 19:39:58 | linuxstb | Domonoky, bluebrother: Are there any optional modules I need to enable when building Qt for rbutil? |
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| 19:41:14 | bluebrother | linuxstb: no, the default configuration should do. |
| 19:41:34 | Domonoky | bluebrother: thats why rbutil.ini has the plattform value the same and the bootloader value different.. between x5 and x5v.. i dont know if rbutilqt uses it correctly.. :-) |
| 19:41:59 | bluebrother | it does not. |
| 19:42:19 | bluebrother | for detection I decided to try looking after the bootloader file −− it contains the needed string |
| 19:42:45 | smurf | still very unstable when english.voice is installed, fortunately I don't need it |
| 19:43:13 | Domonoky | does the bootloader file persist on iaudio x5 when instaling ? |
| 19:44:00 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 19:44:20 | Domonoky | bluebrother: which value is used in rbutilqt for the plattform ? the section name, or the platform key ? |
| 19:45:17 | bluebrother | not sure ... I think it's the platform key |
| 19:45:55 | Domonoky | so bootloader install on a x5v installs the wron bootloader now ? |
| 19:46:19 | polygonal | rasher: here? |
| 19:46:34 | bluebrother | well, I haven't checked the bootloader. The install itself tries to download the wrong build |
| 19:46:43 | bluebrother | and autodetection doesn't work. |
| 19:46:46 | Domonoky | if installing of rockbox itself fails, then it uses the section name |
| 19:46:53 | linuxstb | It's a shame that the targets getting software USB (and hence the potential for rbutil to communicate with Rockbox) are the ones where we don't need any communication to detect bootloader versions... |
| 19:47:47 | amiconn | The iaudio flash loader deletes the *_fw.bin file after flashing |
| 19:48:37 | linuxstb | How does rbutil handle the two ipod video builds? |
| 19:48:50 | bluebrother | it does? Oops. |
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| 19:48:55 | Domonoky | bluebrother: but then the autodetection via the rockbox-info should work.. |
| 19:49:22 | bluebrother | well, no. x5 and x5v use a build with the target: x5 |
| 19:49:26 | Domonoky | bluebrother, i think it should use the section name.. and the plattform key for downloading rockbox.. |
| 19:49:44 | bluebrother | *grrr* |
| 19:49:57 | Domonoky | ah.. now i understand.. |
| 19:50:00 | bluebrother | maybe I should write the platform to the log file too and use that in precendence. |
| 19:50:33 | bluebrother | fixing the installation itself is easy. Detecting is somewhat more problematic |
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| 19:50:54 | Domonoky | jup.. |
| 19:51:00 | Febs | Domonkey, Bluebrother: a suggestion. After installing a theme with rbutil, return to the theme installation menu rather than the main menu. |
| 19:51:02 | bluebrother | amiconn: is there any file in the FIRMWARE folder that persists and can help distinguishing between players? |
| 19:51:13 | amiconn | nope |
| 19:51:24 | bluebrother | Febs: why? You can select multiple themes and install them the same time. |
| 19:51:26 | amiconn | The firmware folder isn't even required to exist |
| 19:51:39 | bluebrother | ok. Then we need the log file. |
| 19:52:05 | Domonoky | bluebrother: add it to the log file, or another info file :-) |
| 19:52:12 | Febs | Because the average user will look at one theme, say "that looks good I want that," and install it, and then move on to another theme and repeat the process. |
| 19:52:16 | amiconn | Well, since both bootloaders have diferent filenames, you could put both into /firmware |
| 19:52:27 | amiconn | The flash loader will pick the one it wants |
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| 19:52:52 | bluebrother | hmm. We could merge x5 and x5v that way. |
| 19:52:57 | Llorean | bluebrother: I'm gonna hafta agree with Febs, a lot of users are going to prefer point and pick to batch install. |
| 19:53:02 | Domonoky | thats a nice idea.. |
| 19:53:03 | amiconn | But you need to log anyway, as there is no way to find out whether the bootloader is already installed |
| 19:53:07 | bluebrother | amiconn: will the flash loader delete the other one? |
| 19:53:18 | amiconn | Most probably not |
| 19:53:23 | bluebrother | ok. |
| 19:53:25 | Domonoky | amiconn, we log the bootloader install.. |
| 19:53:27 | amiconn | It will delete the one it flashes |
| 19:53:44 | bluebrother | so ... should we merge x5 and x5v or not? |
| 19:53:46 | Febs | Also, it's not intuitively obviously that you can install multiple themes at one. (I didn't realize it until you just told me.) |
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| 19:54:36 | bluebrother | Febs: ok, that's easy to change. But during testing I often clicked the ok button again for the window to disappear −− and obviously it reinstalled the theme I just installed |
| 19:54:36 | Domonoky | bluebrother: if you add it to the log, remember to exclude it in the uninstall dialog.. |
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| 19:55:01 | bluebrother | so I thought it's better to auto-close the window |
| 19:55:03 | amiconn | Someone with an x5 and/or x5v should probably just try it |
| 19:55:16 | {Core}Frazz | can someone help me dual boot on my iaudio m5? |
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| 19:55:34 | Domonoky | and merging x5 and x5v would be good.. if it doesnt harm to install both bootloaders.. |
| 19:56:03 | bluebrother | I put it in the General section in my first try. As this isn't a childKey it won't show up ;-) |
| 19:56:21 | Febs | I'm also getting freezes fairly regularly when trying to browse themes. |
| 19:56:30 | Llorean | Frazz: There's no official dual boot on that player. |
| 19:56:33 | Domonoky | and the ipod 64MB issues is still open.. but its not so problematic, as we install the 32MB version, which works on both.. |
| 19:56:38 | bluebrother | I agree. Someone should try. Having a small additional file around shouldn't harm |
| 19:56:56 | Frazz | well somone posted one on iaudiophile |
| 19:56:58 | amiconn | Domonoky: It will only install one, I'm quite sure. The question is what to do with the leftover bootloader |
| 19:57:01 | Domonoky | to install a ipod64MB build we need a way to detect them.. |
| 19:57:21 | Llorean | Frazz: Then ask that person, as I said, there's no official one, and we can't really provide support for software we didn't write as we can't know how it works or what it's supposed to do. |
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| 19:57:37 | Frazz | ok |
| 19:57:42 | Frazz | thanks anyway |
| 19:57:48 | bluebrother | well, detection will currently use the 32mb one. So we could simply add it, and rely on users correcting the selection ... |
| 19:58:10 | amiconn | Do we know whether the x5 and x5v have different usb pids? |
| 19:58:16 | bluebrother | until ipodpatcher can detect it correctly. linuxstb said something about some scsi query that would help doing so |
| 19:58:55 | bluebrother | amiconn: no idea −− and DeviceDetection doesn't hold enough data |
| 19:58:56 | Domonoky | amiconn: at the moment we dont use usb pids as its difficult to get them on all three OSes.. |
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| 20:00:54 | amiconn | bluebrother: COuldn't you check the disk capacity of the ipod? |
| 20:01:07 | morrijr | re detecting a 64mb iPod, I know it doesn't help for the first install, but is it possible to query/determine which version of rockbox is currently installed and check for that? |
| 20:01:22 | bluebrother | would be possible. But still I'd like ipodpatcher to do this |
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| 20:01:57 | bluebrother | morrijr: yes it is. We already do that. It just won't work if the previously installed version is the 32mb one or it's a fresh install |
| 20:02:03 | morrijr | ok |
| 20:02:26 | bluebrother | I think I'll go with the log file for now. |
| 20:02:35 | Domonoky | jup, if we add the 64MB Build to the ini file, it will work like this.. |
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| 20:12:38 | * | Domonoky added the ipodvideo64MB build to rbutil.ini |
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| 20:13:22 | bluebrother | the devices view doesn't collapse correctly. /me fixes. |
| 20:15:42 | bluebrother | Domonoky: seen the "Issues" section I added to the wiki page? I think it's a good idea to track functional changes there |
| 20:16:01 | Domonoky | bluebrother: jup, i just added something to it.. :-) |
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| 20:16:26 | bluebrother | ah, just noticed it. Was too slow in refreshing ;-) |
| 20:16:35 | Domonoky | :-) |
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| 20:31:33 | LiquidDragon | Does the 5.5g ipod have 32mb ram or 64? |
| 20:33:03 | alienbiker99 | depends on the hard drive size |
| 20:33:10 | LiquidDragon | 30g |
| 20:33:15 | Domonoky | 60/80 gig has 64mb |
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| 20:35:16 | LiquidDragon | okay, so my 30gig has 32 mb ram? |
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| 20:35:47 | parafin | yes |
| 20:36:02 | LiquidDragon | Awesome, thanks guys |
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| 20:40:09 | bluebrother | Domonoky: an issue pondlife has reported: the menu bar shows up delayed, giving an interesting shift in the UI upon startup. |
| 20:40:26 | bluebrother | it only appears on windows though ... no idea what's causing this. |
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| 20:46:09 | Domonoky | bluebrother: its strange |
| 20:46:22 | elinenbe_work | bluebrother: is there anywhere I can download a compiled rbutilqt? |
| 20:46:57 | bluebrother | elinenbe_work: yes: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtilityQt |
| 20:47:22 | elinenbe_work | that's new :-) |
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| 20:47:33 | elinenbe_work | didn't see it a coupld of days ago. |
| 20:47:36 | bluebrother | well, not completely ;-) |
| 20:47:54 | elinenbe_work | Nico_P: are you still working on the MoB and WPS? |
| 20:48:29 | Nico_P | elinenbe_work: not ATM, I need to focus on school work |
| 20:48:59 | preglow | bs! |
| 20:49:42 | Nico_P | how dare you ! :) |
| 20:51:26 | Nico_P | elinenbe_work: why ? |
| 20:51:44 | elinenbe_work | Nico_P: just curious.... |
| 20:51:57 | elinenbe_work | I was starting work on my own implementation, but not really. |
| 20:52:04 | elinenbe_work | just a basic framework |
| 20:52:32 | Nico_P | for MoB ? |
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| 20:53:45 | elinenbe_work | Nico_P: y. |
| 20:54:04 | Nico_P | have you looked at my code ? |
| 20:54:14 | * | bluebrother just build a static linux binary of rbutilqt ... still it has loads of dependencies to gui libraries |
| 20:54:33 | elinenbe_work | icon files are not well documented, even though they are a very nice feature.... no themes include them, and there is no (afaik) interface to select them from the player |
| 20:55:04 | * | Domonoky thinks icons should be parts of a theme.. |
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| 20:56:56 | * | elinenbe_work agrees with Domonoky |
| 20:57:16 | low_light | preglow: you wanted i2s setup from a pp5020...http://rafb.net/p/o2Snjs68.html |
| 20:57:20 | Nico_P | Domonoky: creating nice icons isn't easy |
| 20:57:58 | low_light | it's from the mrobe bootloader...so it may or may not be entirely accurate |
| 20:58:08 | Domonoky | Nico_P: thats true, but the theme author can choose from the existing icons.. if they fit their theme.. |
| 20:59:42 | Nico_P | elinenbe_work: did you take a look at my MoB code ? I'd be interested in your opinion |
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| 21:01:25 | elinenbe_work | Nico_P: not really... though I code like I eat... I'm a mess. |
| 21:02:59 | elinenbe_work | bluebrother: what's up with the .rockbox under my C:\ ? (I'm on windows).... |
| 21:03:07 | preglow | low_light: where's that from? |
| 21:03:45 | bluebrother | elinenbe_work: what should be up with that? Did you install to the wrong device? |
| 21:04:01 | low_light | it's from the mrobe bootloader...so it may or may not be entirely representative |
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| 21:07:36 | bluebrother | Domonoky: the bootloader shows the md5sum as version. Is this intended? |
| 21:08:05 | low_light | is there an easy way to disable building plugins? in configure maybe? |
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| 21:08:27 | Dark_Mystic | Hello, i have a problem with my iPod 5.5 th generation |
| 21:08:39 | Domonoky | bluebrother: its intended to save to md5sum in the log, to check for a new installed one.. |
| 21:08:40 | * | Dark_Mystic attempted to put Rockbox |
| 21:09:13 | pixelma | low_light: maybe exclude them in SOURCES and SUBDIRS? |
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| 21:10:34 | bluebrother | Domonoky: this looks a bit inconvenient ... maybe add the human-readable version number too? |
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| 21:11:02 | bluebrother | (maybe by adding the file itself like the zip installer does) |
| 21:11:07 | linuxstb_ | low_light: Remove the "plugins=yes" line from your target in configure |
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| 21:11:44 | Domonoky | hm.. i compare the md5sum in the log with the md5sum from the bootloaders-info, to check for a new bootloader... |
| 21:12:19 | Domonoky | we could add a bootloader version to the bootloaders-info file, then we could save the version in the log.. |
| 21:12:29 | Dark_Mystic | How can i reboot my iPod |
| 21:12:49 | bluebrother | Dark_Mystic: hold Menu + Select |
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| 21:13:20 | Dark_Mystic | how long? |
| 21:13:23 | bluebrother | Domonoky: you could add the version string for the files itself and add a virtual file <md5sum> with that |
| 21:13:35 | bluebrother | a couple of seconds. Maybe up to 30 or so. |
| 21:13:42 | bluebrother | this varies. |
| 21:14:37 | Dark_Mystic | It is possible to force a reset trough the itunes? |
| 21:15:24 | linuxstb_ | Dark_Mystic: What's your actual problem? |
| 21:15:32 | low_light | linuxstb: remove it or change it to "no"? |
| 21:15:43 | Dark_Mystic | Well |
| 21:15:48 | linuxstb_ | low_light: Try both... |
| 21:15:59 | Dark_Mystic | it says can't load rockbox.ipod |
| 21:16:31 | linuxstb_ | Did you extract rockbox.zip to your ipod? |
| 21:17:00 | Dark_Mystic | yes i did |
| 21:17:40 | Dark_Mystic | ah there |
| 21:17:47 | Dark_Mystic | it rebooted |
| 21:18:08 | linuxstb_ | Are you on Windows or a Mac? |
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| 21:18:47 | Dark_Mystic | Windows obiviously |
| 21:20:19 | linuxstb_ | Why was that obvious? |
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| 21:21:12 | Dark_Mystic | dunno |
| 21:21:14 | Dark_Mystic | nvm |
| 21:21:16 | Dark_Mystic | thanks anyways |
| 21:21:17 | Dark_Mystic | <3 |
| 21:21:23 | bluebrother | another issue solved :) |
| 21:22:11 | bluebrother | Domonoky: btw, there is another issue you might have an idea about: the progresslogger doesn't update between "downloading rockbox.zip" and after unzipping finished. |
| 21:22:22 | * | Dark_Mystic just activated M25 diagnostics |
| 21:22:27 | bluebrother | at least it appears to be that way. But I'm a bit lost of what to do about it. |
| 21:22:45 | Frazz | this may be a stupid question but how easy is it to learn c from scratch? |
| 21:23:40 | bluebrother | depends how much used you are to computers at all and programming languages. |
| 21:23:41 | linuxstb_ | Try it and find out... |
| 21:24:09 | Frazz | i am used to computers |
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| 21:24:23 | bluebrother | and how about computer languages? Did you program before? |
| 21:24:23 | Frazz | not programming |
| 21:24:37 | Frazz | my brother is a programmer |
| 21:24:48 | Frazz | he is very good |
| 21:24:50 | bluebrother | well, then it might be not the easiest task ... but it's definitely doable ;-) |
| 21:25:19 | bluebrother | grab a good C book, some time and something you want to work on. |
| 21:25:46 | Domonoky | bluebrother: while unzipping you have to call QApplication::processEvents() sometime.. to let the progresswindow update.. |
| 21:28:48 | bluebrother | hmm ... can't I do this at the beginning only? I tried but it doesn't seem to work |
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| 21:29:23 | Domonoky | bluebrother: call it when you want the window to update.. should work.. |
| 21:29:46 | bluebrother | hmm, I tried putting it in front of the unzip call. Didn't help much. |
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| 21:35:43 | bluebrother | hmm, now it seems to work. What did I do before? |
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| 21:48:46 | xigxag | Adding on to Frazz' question...I am wanting to learn C by working with the rockbox project. What is a good place within the rockbox to start? |
| 21:49:26 | xigxag | Perhaps with the patches? |
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| 21:52:54 | bluebrother | xigxag: most people start by working on a plugin |
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| 22:03:55 | petur | bah.. red :( |
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| 22:08:35 | qwm | scorche: i finally beat lvl 70! then 71 and 72 easily, but i started shaking while playing lvl 73. :( |
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| 22:08:59 | desowin | qwm: what are you playing? |
| 22:09:13 | qwm | the bubble game on my nano. |
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| 22:09:31 | qwm | i probably spent hours on lvl 70, over a course of two weeks. |
| 22:09:37 | qwm | it really frustrated me. |
| 22:09:46 | qwm | such a great relief to finally have beaten it! |
| 22:12:47 | markun | ;) |
| 22:12:58 | markun | qwm: congrats |
| 22:13:14 | qwm | thanks. :) |
| 22:13:16 | dantje_ | hi, can somebody give a troubled rockbox-on-sansa newbie a hand? |
| 22:13:23 | PaulPosition | Hi there... Say, I'm trying to find out whether the Sansa E200's port of RB has the same "problems" as other Portalplayer targets in respect to the equalizer/crossfeed (not crossfade) and such. Namely, does it gets it overhelm CPU to the point where music will start skipping and the ui becomes completely unresponsive? |
| 22:13:36 | markun | qwm: yesterday I saw part of a documentary about people playing Donkey Kong until the machine runs out of memory and crashes :) |
| 22:13:46 | Llorean | The King of Kong? |
| 22:14:16 | qwm | gosh. |
| 22:14:16 | markun | could be, I didn't catch the title |
| 22:14:17 | qwm | : |
| 22:14:18 | qwm | :p |
| 22:14:21 | Llorean | PaulPosition: All the PortalPlayers are the same speed. |
| 22:14:41 | Llorean | PaulPosition: But my Nano does neither of the things you've described when using the equalizer. |
| 22:14:49 | markun | Llorean: yes, it was King of Kong indeed |
| 22:15:35 | PaulPosition | Hmm, maybe it's time for me to update my H10. :o Surely you do know (or remember) what I'm talking about...?!? :o (Used to be that, at most two bands could be used, and not too high or low...) ? |
| 22:15:39 | dantje_ | Installed with sansapatcher, it booted up fine. But now it seems to be belly-up. How do I reboot without changing the batteries? |
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| 22:16:12 | Llorean | PaulPosition: I do remember what you're talking about, but it depends very highly on which codec your audio is, what your WPS looks like, and a variety of other things |
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| 22:16:42 | PaulPosition | Dantje - You reboot the same as a non-rockboxed Sansa... round button + some other for 20-some seconds, I think. Manual should tell you. |
| 22:17:27 | Febs | Llorean: getting back to our conversation the other day, I've had the Gigabeat for less than 24 hours, but my experience with the button-mapping so far is that it is quite inconsistent with other RB platforms. |
| 22:18:13 | Llorean | Febs: Are there other significant problems beyond the function of "Select" and the A button in the WPS? |
| 22:18:34 | PaulPosition | Llorean - That's true. Of course I don't use peakmeters, and most of my files are vbr mp3s around averageing 192.. Guess I will just try a few things and see how it goes. −− Who knows, maybe I'll find out it wasn't as bad as I remember it to be. |
| 22:18:36 | Febs | Those are the ones that have been most obvious to me. |
| 22:19:26 | Llorean | Febs: There were a few more bad ones earlier in the port, I believe, but I think with #6920, which swaps those to, it becomes easier to use one handed, easier (for me) to use in my pocket, and more consistent all at once. |
| 22:19:42 | Llorean | I'm trying to remember if anyone still objects to it (though I'm sure if I committed it, users would complain for a little while) |
| 22:19:44 | dantje_ | Stupid me. Power + the bottom key. Thanks a million. Up and running again. |
| 22:19:57 | * | petur gets hit by the wide build table and does yet another fix :( |
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| 22:21:34 | markun | Llorean: I object as usual :) |
| 22:21:51 | Llorean | markun: What was the grounds for your objection again? |
| 22:22:00 | Llorean | Was there some use case that the current map is better for? |
| 22:22:11 | Febs | The "select" button enters the file browser from the WPS on every other RB platform I've owned. It seems very inconsistent that it does not do so on the GB as well. |
| 22:22:51 | markun | 1) it's consistent with the archos recorder and 2) it's a logical mapping to have A go in and out of the WPS and SELECT for pause in my mind |
| 22:22:59 | * | linuxstb_ is with Llorean and Febs, but doesn't feel that strongly - it's not much of an effort to remember the GB is special... |
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| 22:23:30 | Llorean | markun: It's damn hard to pause without accidentally skipping a track when the player is in my pocket. |
| 22:23:41 | markun | use the remote :) |
| 22:23:41 | Llorean | And impossible to navigate with just my thumb to add to the playlist. |
| 22:24:00 | fm2 | Is this a known "feature" that file operation (open) works differently on target on on the sim? |
| 22:24:27 | linuxstb_ | fm2: You'll have to be more specific. |
| 22:24:32 | fm2 | In the sim, I can't open a dir that way, but on target I can |
| 22:25:02 | Llorean | markun: For me the big key is that with "Select" leaving the WPS, you then open up single-thumb navigation and use of the player, as you have on nearly every other target already |
| 22:25:08 | markun | Llorean: maybe if you change it again I will get used to it, but it was the way you want it before and we (the gigabeat port guys) didn't like it much |
| 22:25:26 | markun | will you also change the archos recorde mapping? |
| 22:25:39 | linuxstb_ | fm2: What happens when you open() a dir? IMO that shouldn't work anywhere. |
| 22:25:47 | Llorean | markun: The center of the cross on the Recorder is actually a "Play/Pause" button already, it's labelled |
| 22:26:03 | Llorean | markun: As well, it has face buttons that do the job, so one-thumb navigation is not harmed in any way by its current mapping. |
| 22:26:04 | markun | I know |
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| 22:26:47 | fm2 | linuxstb: I don't know exactly but a non negative fd is returned |
| 22:27:05 | fm2 | linuxstb: which means "success" IIUC |
| 22:27:40 | fm2 | I use cygwin if that matters |
| 22:27:52 | markun | Llorean: maybe we should do a forum poll |
| 22:27:53 | Llorean | To be honest, the one change I'd make to the AJBR is to make "Play/Pause" be the "Resume Playback" button rather than the "Select" button. |
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| 22:28:35 | Llorean | But that's more personal preference (consistency) than allowing a new use case. |
| 22:28:48 | Llorean | I just don't see the point of intentionally preventing people from operating the player with just their thumb. |
| 22:28:58 | Llorean | Especially since it also improves consistency across targets. |
| 22:29:02 | Febs | markun: my issues is that this is the 4th Rockbox platform that I have owned. All 4 have some form of up, down, left and right buttons, plus a center button. This is the only one where the center button does something different. If there were a good reason for the inconsistency, that would be one thing, but if all other things are equal, then I think we should strive for consistency. |
| 22:29:45 | Febs | (My four platforms: H120, H340, iPod Video, Gigabeat) |
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| 22:31:12 | Llorean | I don't even understand why this different mapping was chosen just for the Gigabeat. |
| 22:31:25 | markun | looks like I'm in a very small minority here, so I guess it's fair that you guys change it |
| 22:31:28 | Llorean | markun: You said you guys liked it better. Why? Or rather, what didn't you like about the normal mapping? |
| 22:31:33 | amiconn | While I didn't actually try the gigabeat mapping, I have to say that the gigabeat is not the only target where the centre button does not go to the browser |
| 22:31:38 | markun | if I don't like it I'll just patch my own source |
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| 22:32:06 | Llorean | amiconn: It's the only one where the center button is "Select" rather than "Play/Pause" isn't it? |
| 22:32:19 | markun | Llorean: we didn't like that pause was not mapped on the center because that was what we somehow expected (maybe from using the OF too much) |
| 22:32:55 | linuxstb_ | fm2: Checking the Rockbox source and the Linux man page for open(), it seems Rockbox does the right thing - open() on a directory succeeds with O_RDONLY. It only fails with RDWR or WRONLY |
| 22:33:00 | amiconn | The archos recorders do that too, partially because of the symbol on the centre button (Play/Pause), but also because the resulting mapping is rather convenient |
| 22:33:31 | Llorean | amiconn: The archos recorder though, can be used with just a thumb even with that mapping. The Gigabeat has no way to leave the WPS once you're there, without using a side button, which I don't really like. |
| 22:33:57 | amiconn | On the recorders ON toggles between browser and wps - very convenient imho |
| 22:34:01 | markun | Llorean: it's very easy for me to press the side button with my thumb, but maybe that's because I'm right handed (or just weird) |
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| 22:34:28 | Llorean | markun: Right handed helps a lot. |
| 22:34:35 | markun | Llorean: how do you stop playback or go to the menu? |
| 22:34:41 | markun | do you have to use 2 hands? |
| 22:34:43 | Llorean | But getting to A makes my thumb uncomfortable even left handed. |
| 22:34:48 | amiconn | The archos player and Ondios behave similar (but they're not really comparable as they have no centre button |
| 22:35:02 | Llorean | markun: If "center" leaves the WPS, you can press left in the filetree to get to the menu |
| 22:35:26 | markun | true, but a very inconvenient way of getting there |
| 22:35:27 | amiconn | Side buttons are always inconvenient imo, but nothing we can change... |
| 22:35:40 | markun | amiconn: unfortunately |
| 22:35:42 | * | amiconn prefers targets with standard buttons on the front |
| 22:35:58 | amiconn | I.e. no side buttons, no pads or wheels |
| 22:35:59 | fm2 | linuxstb: I also thought that a dir can be opened and read as an ordinary file. And was surprised that it didn't work in the sim. I thought, it was the RB way of life... |
| 22:36:19 | Llorean | markun: Yes, but only inconvenient relative to using one button press. If you're constrained to the front for some reason (single handed left-handed operation) it may be more convenient than using the side |
| 22:36:31 | petur | H10 is a bad player in that respect... |
| 22:36:38 | fm2 | linuxstb: I hope, opening a file with opendir() will fail in both worlds! :-) |
| 22:36:42 | amiconn | petur: yup |
| 22:37:00 | * | linuxstb_ would prefer side buttons than no buttons like the ipods |
| 22:37:24 | markun | Llorean: but go ahead and commit, neither of us is going to change his mind I think |
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| 22:37:39 | amiconn | While I got somewhat accustomed to the ipod wheel, this wheel is *very* inconvenient in the car, especially since we have no audible feedback |
| 22:38:12 | Llorean | markun: I'd rather get a few more developer opinions than just you, me, and Febs. 2:1 can be changed from "majority" to "tie" with a single added vote. |
| 22:38:15 | markun | amiconn: doesn't sound safe anyway to play with your DAP while driving.. |
| 22:38:29 | markun | Llorean: you got linuxstb_ as well |
| 22:38:48 | amiconn | markun: It's no problem at all on a unit with buttons and reliable voice ui |
| 22:38:50 | Llorean | amiconn: I really don't like the iPod wheel for somewhat blind access, just because with buttons for navigation, you at least get discrete steps |
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| 22:39:02 | parafin | why does rockbox doesn't set date and time on created files? |
| 22:39:09 | linuxstb_ | markun: And there are no Gigabeat devs left to support you.... |
| 22:39:11 | Llorean | parafin: What player? |
| 22:39:15 | markun | parafin: it doesn't? |
| 22:39:16 | parafin | ipod video |
| 22:39:35 | markun | linuxstb_: nope, they all went away after the port was finished |
| 22:39:39 | markun | :( |
| 22:39:43 | parafin | markun, no, at least according to propetries plugin |
| 22:39:53 | parafin | i'll check on computer |
| 22:40:16 | krazykt | you're talking about switching the keymap on the gigabeat, as per FS #6920? |
| 22:40:41 | Llorean | krazykt: Yes. |
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| 22:42:10 | krazykt | i agree that it's easier for one-handed operation |
| 22:42:33 | krazykt | of course, a ton of people will come out of the woodwork to complain about it changing |
| 22:42:52 | markun | or not |
| 22:43:04 | Llorean | Maybe a warning on the mailing list? Especially for blind users, a warning on a significant keymap change might be good. |
| 22:43:12 | Llorean | Since one of the buttons is "Pause", and that button stops voice. |
| 22:43:12 | parafin | hmm |
| 22:43:17 | parafin | it does set date/time |
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| 22:44:12 | parafin | but if i check it in properties right after i create this file it shows 1980 year |
| 22:44:15 | krazykt | on the mailing list definitely. would it warrant a "major change" on the wiki? |
| 22:44:46 | parafin | may be it's because of directory cache? it's not updated right in creat function? |
| 22:45:07 | parafin | anyway it's a bug |
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| 22:48:01 | linuxstb_ | parafin: Can you confirm that dircache is the issue? i.e. test with and without it enabled? |
| 22:48:15 | parafin | i'll test |
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| 22:55:22 | parafin | yes, i confirm |
| 22:55:33 | parafin | without directory cache all works as expected |
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| 22:56:51 | linuxstb | parafin: Can you submit a bug report (assuming it's not already there...) |
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| 22:58:17 | parafin | OK |
| 22:59:49 | parafin | btw, it's modification time, which is displayed in properties? |
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| 23:01:20 | parafin | which category does this bug belong to? |
| 23:01:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | *BAMF* |
| 23:01:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hello everyone! |
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| 23:06:38 | linuxstb | parafin: I would say "Operating System / Drivers" |
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| 23:13:32 | * | BigBambi notices the swapping of select and A for gigabeat in WPS being discussed |
| 23:13:53 | BigBambi | As I wrote the patch (all two lines of it) it's safe to say I'm pro |
| 23:15:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Seeing as how I'm a little behind on what's going on, allow me to just observe for the moment. |
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| 23:16:19 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: BigBambi's just commenting on a debate from a good half hour ago or so. :) |
| 23:16:27 | parafin | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7679 |
| 23:16:34 | BigBambi | Soory, it is close to my heart! |
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| 23:17:21 | linuxstb_ | BigBambi: Do any unofficial builds include that patch? |
| 23:17:32 | BigBambi | I don't know |
| 23:17:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Have you managed to take a look at the links for the SDL libraries I posted to the forum thread at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12403.15 |
| 23:17:43 | BigBambi | For myself I build with that only - I'll check |
| 23:18:15 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: I saw the links, I haven't read them. I'm mostly non-Rockbox today. |
| 23:18:49 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: No worries. |
| 23:18:59 | BigBambi | Linuxstb: It was in one then removed - one person on either side of the fence! |
| 23:19:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | I've been delving into researching my Dell Digital Jukebox as a new Rockbox target. |
| 23:20:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I'm waiting on word of the Creative ZEN Vision:M port first, since that would bring in TMS320 code that I can study. |
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| 23:20:45 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: Honestly, it may be a long time. The ZVM guys seem to come in surges, and repeat what the last surge did, at least in my observation |
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| 23:21:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: However long it takes, it takes. Rome wasn't built in a day, anyway. |
| 23:21:22 | linuxstb_ | There's already code in the archopen and (I think) Neuros projects.... |
| 23:22:14 | linuxstb_ | Have you investigated the firmware upgrade procedure, and whether you could run your own code on it easily and safely? |
| 23:22:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb_: I know the Dell DJ uses a TMS320DA25x CPU, but there's no way to get a datasheet without signing a Texas Instruments NDA. |
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| 23:23:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb_: Dell offers firmware upgrades on their site still, but I haven't had a chance to try the firmware upgrade procedure out yet. |
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| 23:24:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | I did hook it to my laptop and ran lsusb -v on it to gather some info. |
| 23:24:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll post those results later. |
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| 23:27:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | I don't remember if the ZVM used the same variant of CPU, but I do know it's ARM with a C55x core. |
| 23:27:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | There's also a USB slave controller built on the chip as well. |
| 23:27:54 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: I think they've put some information in our wiki. |
| 23:28:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Let me check. I'll be right back. |
| 23:29:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: I was the last one to edit the wiki page for the TMS320. |
| 23:29:27 | Llorean | Ah, okay |
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| 23:29:50 | Llorean | I'll admit, I usually don't pay much attention to new ports unless I see them being actively worked on. ;) |
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| 23:30:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | I won't be able to really work on this for a while, but I'm at least trying to get something started by gathering information. |
| 23:30:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'm going to start a DellDJ wiki page to start posting findings. |
| 23:31:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | What I REALLY have to do is open the case and identify the hardware components. |
| 23:31:07 | Llorean | The more info in the wiki, the easier it is for *anyone* to get started, I think. |
| 23:31:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | Which is a good thing, of course. :) |
| 23:31:28 | linuxstb_ | And it will start getting indexed by google... |
| 23:31:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Also good. :) |
| 23:32:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | It's regretful that I had to put the Archos AV1xx port on the back burner, but the one I had wasn't mine to begin with. |
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| 23:33:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ehh, one day I'll get another AV1xx to work with. |
| 23:34:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhulst: Are you one of the guys researching the ZVM? Your name seems familiar. |
| 23:35:14 | jhulst | LambdaCalculus37: yes |
| 23:35:47 | jhulst | Not so much right now, college started again for the year |
| 23:36:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhulst: Cool! I was wondering if you could share some of your research with me. I'm interested in starting a port to the Dell Digital Jukebox, another TMS320-based DAP. |
| 23:37:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | linuxstb_: I nearly forgot to mention that the Dell DJ communicates using MTP protocol. |
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| 23:38:03 | jhulst | LambdaCalculus37: Most of my information is on the wiki page, if there is something specific, feel free to ask |
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| 23:38:32 | jhulst | LambdaCalculus37: Is it just with the MTP protocol or can you do UMS as well? |
| 23:38:55 | linuxstb_ | jhulst: What's the status of the work? Has anyone found a way to run third-party code? |
| 23:39:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhulst: I just got the Dell DJ only recently, about 2 months back. Haven't been able to do much because of work and school. |
| 23:40:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | I ran it through lsusb -v last night, but I've got to post the results. |
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| 23:41:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | I also think I may have to identify the chipset myself. Repeated searches on Google turn up precisely two things: Jack and Squat. And Jack left town. |
| 23:42:29 | jhulst | linuxstb_: We have not found a way to run third party code, one of the biggest hurdles that we have recently crossed is actually get anything onto the device, All we know is on the forum thread |
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| 23:44:28 | jhulst | LambdaCalculus37: What do you mean by chipset? As in a TMS320DA25x? |
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| 23:45:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhulst: Well, besides the CPU, I need to identify pretty much all of the chips used in the device. |
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| 23:45:37 | jhulst | Oh, yeah we had to do all of that as well for the ZVM, Took it apart and scanned it |
| 23:45:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | Before it slips my mind, I should mention that I'm dealing with a 1st Gen device here. |
| 23:46:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhulst: My scanner's gone the way of the dodo. |
| 23:47:00 | jhulst | LambdaCalculus37: Isn't that a pretty old device? |
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| 23:47:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhulst: The Dell DJ or the scanner? /me knows what the answer's going to be :) |
| 23:47:49 | jhulst | LambdaCalculus37: The Dell DJ :) |
| 23:48:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhulst: Yeah, I think they came out in 2002, if I remember correctly. |
| 23:49:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhulst: I did find this site on one of my many journeys: http://www.delldjsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6880, but I'll be damned if they tell me what I'm looking for. |
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| 23:50:28 | jhulst | According to wikipedia, they are manufactured by Creative, I wonder how close it would be to a ZVM |
| 23:51:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhulst: They're basically an older ZEN/NOMAD that's been redressed and OEMed by Dell. |
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| 23:51:54 | ddalton | anyone interested in the alarm talking on ipods with the wake up rtc? |
| 23:51:57 | jhulst | Why the interest in such an old device :) |
| 23:52:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhulst: Close to the same reason for Rockbox in the first place: Nasty, unintuitive menu system. |
| 23:53:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | That, and also to use it as a proper UMS device. |
| 23:53:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | Lastly... why not? :) |
| 23:54:43 | jhulst | :) one of the things I've discovered is the amount of work it takes to even get to the point where we are |
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| 23:55:02 | ddalton | ok I have just about got the alarm talking. What button is the menu button on the sim? |
| 23:55:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | ddalton: . |
| 23:57:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhulst: I know the road to a port may be long and hard, and fraught with danger at every corner... but I say I'm going to do it. |
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