| 00:02:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | jhulst: I'm not exactly "programmer extraordinaire", but I'm a fast learner, and I'm considering this to be unsurpassed learning experience. |
| 00:03:31 | ddalton | so there is know menu button on the ipod with sim? |
| 00:04:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | hachi: No, it's charging. It may not show it, but it is. Just watch the battery meter carefully, or you can see the number increase if you go to System > Rockbox Info. |
| 00:04:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | ddalton: There is. It's the . key. |
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| 00:04:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | ddalton: Look at the number keypad on the side of your keyboard. |
| 00:05:58 | ddalton | I am but do you know what button it is the numpad? |
| 00:05:59 | ddalton | on |
| 00:06:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | See the 0 key? There's the . key right next to it. |
| 00:06:46 | hachi | LambdaCalculus37: there isn't an option to plug in a rockbox player via usb and not have it reboot into the disk mode, by chance is there? |
| 00:06:58 | hachi | then I could stop using bits of tape to make my usb cables into charger cables |
| 00:06:59 | ddalton | ok thanks I will try that. |
| 00:07:54 | RudMan_ | I gotta install the vmware build environment - I need to modify the simulator to work on laptops |
| 00:08:02 | linuxstb | ddalton: "insert" is also MENU on the ipod sim |
| 00:08:07 | hcs | hachi: hold down menu when connecting (but you have to hold it down for a while) |
| 00:08:15 | ddalton | thanks I will try that as well |
| 00:08:33 | hcs | hachi: don't think you can toggle it anywhere in the options, though |
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| 00:08:59 | linuxstb | ddalton: You can see the mappings in uisimulator/sdl/button.c |
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| 00:10:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | RudMan_: Which OS? Linux, Mac OS X, or Windows? |
| 00:11:04 | RudMan_ | windows |
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| 00:11:16 | RudMan_ | it's not broken |
| 00:11:23 | XavierAirport | lol hacking airport windows machines is quite easy, no more file and time restrictions :) |
| 00:11:30 | RudMan_ | it's just you need a number pad to navigate |
| 00:11:40 | RudMan_ | and my laptop doesn't have one |
| 00:11:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | RudMan_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 00:11:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | Everything you need is on that page. |
| 00:12:13 | RudMan_ | yep. I've seen the page....I just gotta do it |
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| 00:12:27 | RudMan_ | brilliant idea to do such a thing |
| 00:12:43 | RudMan_ | (set up a development VM that is) |
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| 00:13:07 | _jz | hey ! |
| 00:13:11 | _jz | hello all |
| 00:13:17 | _jz | just had a striking idea |
| 00:13:34 | _jz | enyone ever thought of doing a _very simple_ BPM counter for rockbox ? |
| 00:14:06 | _jz | pressing select, select, select, select... it would display the BPM (so easy to program, it's an exercise for some C teacher i knew :) |
| 00:14:21 | _jz | and one key could save it to the "BPM" field of the ID3 of the currently listened track ! |
| 00:14:29 | _jz | it would be so fun to do it while in the metro |
| 00:14:35 | _jz | and would be so useful afterwards ! |
| 00:14:54 | _jz | (this would help selling rockbox to DJs, though :) |
| 00:14:58 | * | ddalton Wonders why compiling from a clean build dir I get make [error 2] and when I run make again it builds with no errors. |
| 00:15:01 | hachi | hcs: do you have to hold down menu before the usb cord shows up on the screen? |
| 00:15:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | _jz: That's really nice and all, but the best thing to keep in mind is that if you have a request like this, you should at least get some work started on it. |
| 00:15:39 | hcs | hachi: yes, hold it down as you're plugging into usb and keep held down for something like 20 seconds (at least that's what it is on my system, with linux) |
| 00:15:47 | _jz | LambdaCalculus37: I perfectly know the drill |
| 00:15:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | _jz: Do you have anything started on this yet? |
| 00:15:59 | _jz | LambdaCalculus37: but i'm not a coder myself |
| 00:16:09 | _jz | i have some 10th of lines of C that must to the BPM counting part, yes |
| 00:16:12 | RudMan_ | you're in the wrong channel then :P |
| 00:16:25 | _jz | (i think i have them :) |
| 00:16:32 | _jz | RudMan_: sorry, I will leave... |
| 00:16:42 | hachi | so, I just tried to install the "Dark geek" theme... which has garbled my screen |
| 00:16:54 | hachi | can anyone count off the menu items I need to pick to get back to the theme menu? |
| 00:17:01 | _jz | hachi: you can edit the .cfg file |
| 00:17:07 | _jz | it's simpler :) |
| 00:17:11 | hachi | no it's not |
| 00:17:19 | davina | night night time for beauty sleep :) |
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| 00:17:34 | hachi | all I need someone to do is tell me that the 'settings' choice is number 5 and themes is number 4 or something |
| 00:17:53 | scorche | hachi: reset your settings |
| 00:18:01 | stripwax | hachi - just reset your settings |
| 00:18:06 | hachi | editing the cfg file requires me to crawl behind my computer and plug the cable in |
| 00:18:06 | stripwax | oh . what scorche said |
| 00:18:19 | scorche | =) |
| 00:18:49 | _jz | hachi: maybe you should buy some 2$ USB prolongator cable, but that's another topic... ;) |
| 00:18:56 | bluebrother | _jz: tried the metronome plugin? |
| 00:19:16 | pixelma | _jz: the metronome plugin can count the bpm you are tapping... bluebrother was faster... |
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| 00:19:25 | _jz | really ?? |
| 00:19:27 | _jz | yeah ! |
| 00:19:39 | _jz | all you need now is to write the id3 tags with some key... |
| 00:19:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | hachi: Reset your iPod, then click hold when the backlight comes on at the Apple logo. You should see the Rockbox logo appear and "Settings Cleared" will appear. |
| 00:20:24 | hachi | nice, picking a different theme made it worse... something must be wrong |
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| 00:21:41 | _jz | and a key for resetting the counter |
| 00:21:50 | _jz | looks like it keep going up.... hmm |
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| 00:22:27 | stripwax | hachi - what does 'garbled' and 'worse' actually mean here... ? |
| 00:23:09 | hachi | first theme change loaded "Dark Geek" which landed me with what appeared to be correct colors and icons, but the fonts were all just a mess of noise |
| 00:23:29 | bluebrother | hachi: installed the fonts package? |
| 00:23:51 | hachi | then I figured out the theme menu (4, 4) and picked Uni..something, and the screen went black with only the battery indicator showing up |
| 00:23:59 | hachi | the rockbox battery indicator I mean |
| 00:24:12 | hachi | then I did the reset, and everything came up fine, picked Dark Geek again and it's working fine now |
| 00:24:39 | _jz | well i'll look into the code of that thing someday |
| 00:24:42 | _jz | thanx guys |
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| 00:25:50 | hachi | whoops, now I accidentally went into the record menu... exited, when to resume playback |
| 00:26:09 | hachi | playback screen appeared, then bailed with "Data abort at 4000130C" |
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| 00:27:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | hachi: Which build are you running? |
| 00:29:12 | hachi | today |
| 00:29:25 | Llorean | "Today" isn't very specific. |
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| 00:29:33 | LambdaCalculus37 | hachi: No, no. What revision build? System > Rockbox Info. |
| 00:29:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | hachi: The number you're looking for starts with an r. |
| 00:29:57 | hachi | yes, I get that |
| 00:30:13 | hachi | I hate to tell you I'm running todays build, r14530 |
| 00:30:45 | Llorean | hachi: So you're a good 22 revisions behind "Current" |
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| 00:31:18 | hachi | my screen says r14530-070830 |
| 00:31:21 | hachi | that's todays date |
| 00:31:23 | Llorean | Yes |
| 00:31:27 | Llorean | It's today's date. |
| 00:31:34 | Llorean | Today has been several hours long, if you hadn't noticed. |
| 00:31:38 | hachi | yes |
| 00:31:43 | Llorean | Which is why we have the "Current" build, made every time the code changes. |
| 00:31:48 | Llorean | And we direct people to use that. |
| 00:31:54 | Llorean | Especially when reporting bugs or problems. |
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| 00:32:08 | hachi | most developers call that HEAD |
| 00:32:25 | Llorean | Rockbox calls it "Current Build" and has it be the only version linked to from the front page of the site. |
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| 00:32:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | hachi: Each developer may have their own little habits. |
| 00:32:59 | Llorean | If you download the daily build, you basically have to either manually type in the page, or go THROUGH the current build page and ignore it. |
| 00:33:37 | hachi | News |
| 00:33:38 | hachi | 2007-08-07: We now offer daily built voice files on the daily build page |
| 00:33:41 | hachi | or click that link |
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| 00:34:04 | Llorean | hachi: Yes, that link is there for the voice files |
| 00:34:20 | Llorean | hachi: Did you read the manual? It also explains "Current Builds" and we do expect you to read that, as mentioned in various guidelines. |
| 00:34:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | hachi: Remember that the Current Builds are what helps us zero in on bugs if any are reported. |
| 00:35:17 | Llorean | Though in the case of the Recording screen, I'm pretty sure it's a known issue that playback doesn't work after you enter it on iPods. |
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| 00:35:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | hachi: If someone says "I'm experiencing foo bug in SVN build rXXXXX-XXXXXX, then we'll know where to look. |
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| 00:36:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: That bug has been rather persistent throughout several months worth of builds, and I can't even begin to know where to start count. :) |
| 00:36:15 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: There's also the common case where someone reports a bug that's already been fixed, the developer who thought he just fixed it panics, and spends time trying to figure out what he did wrong |
| 00:36:37 | Llorean | Then an hour later we find out the person was running a daily, not the current, and so didn't have the fix in his build, but he *told* us he was "Up to date" misleading us. |
| 00:37:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Don't you just love those types of people that make developers go crazy looking for already squashed bugs? |
| 00:37:38 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: Just look for the initial recording commit for iPods. Playback has never yet worked after recording on iPods, as I don't think there's that many iPod owners who use recording and also are developing. |
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| 00:38:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: I don't really bother with the recording function on my iPod, since I've got my Archos JBR v1 for that. |
| 00:38:46 | Llorean | I've got an iRiver H120 for that, the very few times I ever use it. |
| 00:39:16 | LambdaCalculus37 | But it's really annoying to accidently enter the recording screen and end up with broken audio playback. I have to end up resetting my iPod with MENU+SELECT. |
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| 00:49:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: The changelog shows initial recording commit on 2006-12-17. |
| 00:49:30 | Llorean | Then that's how long we've had no playback since you leave the recording screen. ;) |
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| 00:49:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hmmmmm.... |
| 00:49:47 | * | LambdaCalculus37 thinking |
| 00:50:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | I wonder... |
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| 00:51:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: I'll see if I can find something in the source. |
| 00:51:37 | `sh4 | greetings ;) |
| 00:53:52 | * | LambdaCalculus37 puts on his Thinking Cap |
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| 00:55:40 | `sh4 | damn it, i was going to ask you guys something. keep getting interrupted though :( |
| 00:55:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | `sh4: Go ahead. Ask away. |
| 00:56:05 | `sh4 | thanks :) |
| 00:56:15 | `sh4 | well, i was going to ask if anyone here's familiar with the e200 hardware |
| 00:56:39 | iamben | i know what all the buttons do |
| 00:56:48 | `sh4 | i've had them apart, but i just took this one apart...and noticed the strangest thing. it has 2 8GB chips, instead of the normal 1 2GB chip |
| 00:57:02 | `sh4 | i was wondering if there was a way to unlock that through the daughter board or something |
| 00:57:13 | Llorean | Are you sure it's not two 8Gb chips? |
| 00:57:27 | `sh4 | Llorean: well, it has 2 of these: SDTNIHHSM-8192 |
| 00:57:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | `sh4: Hang on. |
| 00:57:34 | `sh4 | which i've never seen before in an e250 |
| 00:57:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | `sh4: Google time! |
| 00:57:45 | `sh4 | hehe |
| 00:57:50 | iamben | 8192 megabits? |
| 00:58:08 | iamben | 1 gigabyte or so |
| 00:58:24 | `sh4 | well, all the other e250s i've seen have one chip |
| 00:58:36 | `sh4 | think they're labeled 2048 in bytes, not sure though :( |
| 00:58:47 | `sh4 | MB of course hehe |
| 00:59:01 | Llorean | 8192 gigabit each would still be two gigabytes though. But I haven't looked up that chip yet. |
| 00:59:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | `sh4: Getting information right now. |
| 00:59:45 | `sh4 | LambdaCalculus37: ah, thanks. it just seems so strange. i had the player apart to repair something, and noticed that...and was like !!! |
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| 01:01:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | `sh4: Google turned up nothing useful. |
| 01:01:51 | LambdaCalculus37 | But I think they may be 8 gigabit chips as mentioned before. |
| 01:02:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | How old is this Sansa? |
| 01:02:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | Did you buy it when they first came out? Or recently? |
| 01:02:23 | `sh4 | nah, i picked it up to repair recently. just a used one |
| 01:02:52 | `sh4 | i found a couple places which mention the SDTNIHHSM-8192 with a capital M, suggesting MB though |
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| 01:03:41 | `sh4 | back in a few. i'll be idle here :) |
| 01:03:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | `sh4: Do you think maybe you can take a picture or two of the chips and put them somewhere for us to look at them? |
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| 01:04:40 | `sh4 | LambdaCalculus37: well, strange enough i don't even have a camera. i can give you guys every number on the chip though |
| 01:05:07 | `sh4 | that, and try to get a pic later on. different from any 250 i've seen |
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| 01:06:14 | LambdaCalculus37 | `sh4: If you can borrow a camera, or ANY way of getting a picture, please do so! My curiousity is peaking! |
| 01:06:44 | `sh4 | will do. i'll try to snag a pic :) |
| 01:07:15 | `sh4 | bits would make sense, it just looks different from what i've seen before |
| 01:07:22 | `sh4 | back in a few |
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| 01:09:59 | * | LambdaCalculus37 will be back in two shakes |
| 01:10:52 | * | LambdaCalculus37 is back |
| 01:12:48 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: So what do you think? Do you think SanDisk may have manufactured some Sansa e200s using two chips for flash storage, as `sh4 described? |
| 01:12:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | I've personally never seen that before. |
| 01:17:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Acutally, I'm going to switch systems. I'll be back in a few minutes. |
| 01:18:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | *BAMF* |
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| 01:20:27 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | YES! My name is showing up right! |
| 01:20:30 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | NO! |
| 01:20:45 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Never mind. It's still me. |
| 01:20:48 | Llorean | You've got an extra C in there |
| 01:20:59 | pixelma | and a seven is missing |
| 01:21:11 | Llorean | pixelma: I'd assume he's at the length limit, though I don't know. |
| 01:21:43 | pixelma | what I think to, still it is different ;) |
| 01:21:48 | Llorean | As to the two flash chips as opposed to one, it seems odd but it's possible that it was cheaper at some point in time to do 2x1 as opposed to 1x2 |
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| 01:22:21 | pixelma | well our SandiskE200HardwareComponents mentions to chips too |
| 01:22:41 | pixelma | s/to/2 |
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| 01:23:10 | * | LambdaCalcuclus3 will be right back |
| 01:28:17 | pixelma | so if they decided to go 2 chips (I can imagine that was cheaper for the 8GB version), it might have been easier to just combine it of 2 even for the smaller versions |
| 01:30:02 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | pixelma: The wiki page shows that chip number `sh4 mentioned. |
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| 01:32:25 | Soap | http://www.techbargains.com/jump.cfm?id=217&arg=A0741431 |
| 01:32:35 | Soap | E280 for $140 + free shipping. |
| 01:33:14 | Soap | oops, wrong link. |
| 01:33:28 | rasher | Look right |
| 01:33:47 | rasher | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=205562657&adid=17070&dcaid=17070 |
| 01:33:54 | rasher | E250 for $50 + free shipping. |
| 01:34:06 | rasher | Refurb. |
| 01:34:30 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | e280 for $140? Not bad! |
| 01:34:32 | Soap | better than new in my book |
| 01:35:25 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Much more so! |
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| 01:35:52 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | But I still have my eyes on either an iAUDIO X5 or a Gigabeat F as my next DAP. |
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| 01:36:52 | pixelma | ah, were you the one who changed that Iaudio spelling in our wiki...? |
| 01:37:34 | pixelma | somewhere and while ago... |
| 01:37:37 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | pixelma: Yeah, sorry 'bout that. But Cowon tends to use the iAUDIO moniker for their players... |
| 01:37:59 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Kind of like iriver being all lowercase nowadays? |
| 01:38:28 | rasher | I still think we should just ignore these shenanigans and treat them as proper nouns, not logos. |
| 01:38:46 | pixelma | personally I think we shouldn't mind how they spell it - what if they change their mind, like Iriver. I'd just use it as a name but am no native speaker |
| 01:38:46 | Llorean | Logos are .png, .gif, and .jpg files, for text they're just proper nouns. ;) |
| 01:39:54 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Llorean: Understandable. I just tend to be a little anal about it sometimes. :P |
| 01:40:24 | idnar | well, it's kind of like spelling a person's name, or whatever |
| 01:41:06 | rasher | You don't spell it Hmmmm just becaus someone signs his name with a series of squiggles either |
| 01:41:13 | `sh4 | there we go. now i can actually sit down hehe |
| 01:41:16 | Soap | Rasher not rasher then? |
| 01:41:17 | rasher | But that's just my opinion, of course. |
| 01:41:25 | pixelma | besides, iAUDIO looks ugly as text - like written with hanging shift key... |
| 01:41:27 | rasher | Soap: If you must |
| 01:42:00 | rasher | Soap: IRC isn't exactly a literary work though |
| 01:42:19 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | pixelma: I wonder why Cowon writes it like that... |
| 01:42:28 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | It's kind of silly, if you ask me. |
| 01:42:44 | Llorean | I wonder why they put "Color Sound" on the black and white player. |
| 01:42:48 | Llorean | :-P |
| 01:43:02 | pixelma | that's just metaphoric ;) |
| 01:43:08 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Use of surplus parts? |
| 01:43:20 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Who knows? |
| 01:43:35 | Llorean | Only plays the blues? |
| 01:43:50 | pixelma | hehe |
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| 01:44:46 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Or sound comes out as octraine? :) |
| 01:45:10 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Sound as the eighth color? Now that's pretty farfetched! |
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| 01:46:23 | pixelma | Llorean: "Color Sound" would play the full spectrum... and I know my M5 does except without the Cowon OF |
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| 01:47:39 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Llorean: Slightly OT-ish, but I almost never see the M5 for sale anywhere. Does anyone know where you can purchase one? |
| 01:48:00 | pixelma | ebay |
| 01:48:16 | Llorean | Luck and eBay pretty much account for getting most of the Rockbox targets, sadly. |
| 01:48:29 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | pixelma: They're about as rare as Paris Hilton's brain cells on eBay. |
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| 01:48:58 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | I see the X5 models far more often. |
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| 01:49:19 | pixelma | I got mine from an UK store who sells now and then often 20 new ones for a "buy now" price |
| 01:49:32 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | pixelma: Do you remember the name of the store? |
| 01:49:34 | `sh4 | hmm, so player model info of the e200 series is stored in that hidden 20MB partition on the daughterboard, it seems. if this e200 really *does* have 8GB chips for some reason, i wonder what would happen if i were to edit the model info :( |
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| 01:50:31 | pixelma | LambdaCalcuclus3: yes, let me see if I can link you |
| 01:50:35 | Llorean | `sh4: Rockbox doesn't limit what you have access to, so if it really had 8GB chips, and they were properly attached, there's no reason why you wouldn't have access to all of it afaik. |
| 01:51:10 | `sh4 | Llorean: oooh, i didn't know that about rockbox. i have more than one of these, so i'll stick rockbox on this real quick |
| 01:51:12 | Llorean | `sh4: I don't see why you're assuming they are when Occam's Razor simply points to it being bits, a common thing with flash and ram chip labeling. |
| 01:51:51 | `sh4 | simply because i've had at least 10 of these apart |
| 01:51:54 | pixelma | LambdaCalcuclus3: http://stores.ebay.de/MP3-DIRECT |
| 01:51:55 | `sh4 | and this is the first of it's nature |
| 01:52:06 | `sh4 | probably is bits, but i can't help to be curious heh |
| 01:52:12 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | pixelma: Many thanks! |
| 01:52:43 | pixelma | LambdaCalcuclus3: 2 downsides - the charger had UK plugs and they just accepted PayPal from me |
| 01:52:46 | Llorean | `sh4: Considering the SDTNKHHSM-32768 is 4GB, it's VERY likely it's bits. :-P |
| 01:53:08 | `sh4 | Llorean: ah, okay. i didn't know that was a 4GB chip |
| 01:53:20 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | pixelma: I have a voltage adapter set. But do they ship to the U.S.? |
| 01:54:10 | pixelma | they shipped to Germany (which was pretty fast), but better ask |
| 01:54:14 | `sh4 | Llorean: honestly, i haven't really checked chip numbers etc, so i'm sure it has to be 2GB. :) |
| 01:55:13 | pixelma | LambdaCalcuclus3: but it was the only offer of M5s, I could find, too |
| 01:55:47 | Nimdae | all the usb updates are teasing me :( |
| 01:55:48 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | pixelma: I'm going to keep this guy's store in my eBay favorites. |
| 01:56:22 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Since many of my friends ask me about DAP recommendations, I now know where to get one more Rockbox-compatible DAP. |
| 01:56:31 | pixelma | they seem to have M5s and M5Ls for sale just now |
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| 01:57:14 | `sh4 | rockbox...is so godly. doom, and mpegplayer on an e200. so tiny :p |
| 01:57:42 | Nimdae | don't forget ogg support ;) |
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| 01:57:49 | `sh4 | ^^indeed |
| 01:58:16 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | And FLAC support! |
| 01:58:25 | `sh4 | yeah, FLAC's a *huge* advantage too |
| 01:58:36 | iamben | slightly OT, anyone know if/how i can extract doom wads from my doom install cd? |
| 01:58:38 | Nimdae | AND IT HAS A CLOCK! |
| 01:58:40 | `sh4 | not to mention recording capabilities in more than Wav hehe |
| 01:58:47 | iamben | i don't have teh dos =( |
| 01:59:03 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | iamben: Yeah, just drop it into your CD drive and browse around the CD until you find it. |
| 01:59:15 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Then copy it to your player. |
| 01:59:28 | iamben | i think its stuck in some .pak files |
| 01:59:40 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Nimdae: And the best damn recording interface I've ever seen, especially on my Archos! |
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| 02:00:00 | Nimdae | well, my ipod doesn't have a mic out of the box so i wouldn't know :( |
| 02:00:04 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | iamben: What CD are you trying to get a WAD off of? Ultimate Doom? Doom II? Or Final Doom? |
| 02:00:06 | `sh4 | i actually have a C250 here, which i wouldn't mind playing with. not sure how much information there is on the bootloader though |
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| 02:00:37 | iamben | LambdaCalcuclus3: its actually my own cd which has my backed up installers from ultimate and doom 2 |
| 02:00:48 | iamben | i have the pak files, can i extract pak on linux? |
| 02:00:51 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | iamben: http://www.dosbox.org |
| 02:01:13 | iamben | yeah i was hoping i could skip dosbox, already got it building now |
| 02:01:17 | Nimdae | iamben: mv file.pak file.zip |
| 02:01:19 | Nimdae | extract |
| 02:01:56 | Nimdae | i don't think the format changed much before quake 3 |
| 02:02:21 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | `sh4: If you have an account on the forums, there's already a topic thread about a potential c200 port. Maybe you can help advance it further? :) |
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| 02:02:49 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Nimdae: This is a wee bit OT-ish, but the PAK format IS nothing more than a zip format. |
| 02:02:56 | iamben | gotcha |
| 02:03:00 | `sh4 | LambdaCalculus3: hmm, maybe. i'll have to check that out. i actually don't have an account on the forums :) |
| 02:03:39 | `sh4 | it's pretty funny... i have a 20GB ipod too, and that's pretty much pushed aside for my smaller flash players |
| 02:03:54 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | `sh4: Not to pry, but what model iPod is it? |
| 02:03:54 | Nimdae | iamben: yeah, i think they used some standard format for it and gave it a new extension to obscure it...i could get out my quake cd and verify if i'm talking out of my backside or not |
| 02:04:12 | `sh4 | you're not prying at all. it's a 20GB 4th gen |
| 02:04:17 | `sh4 | black and white model |
| 02:04:35 | `sh4 | i use it in my car a lot, since the storage is so high |
| 02:04:47 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | `sh4: Rockboxed? |
| 02:05:17 | `sh4 | LambdaCalculus3: sadly, no. :( i really should. right now it has ipod linux, and standard firmware |
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| 02:06:33 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | `sh4: The 4th Gen port has made some great strides in recent months. You should try it out! My dad's using it on his 4th Gen and he's enjoying it! |
| 02:07:00 | `sh4 | LambdaCalcuclus3: oooh, good to know. i've been meaning to switch it over lately anyway, so i'll do that :) |
| 02:07:21 | Nimdae | iamben: ok, it appears i was talking out of my behind, i don't remember how i did it now |
| 02:07:25 | Soap | does the frequency scaling bug still bite the 4th gen? |
| 02:07:45 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Soap: Wasn't that squashed already? Or am I wrong? |
| 02:08:00 | Soap | I was thinking it was - but I'm old and my brain falters. |
| 02:08:01 | Nimdae | i thought that was gone a while ago |
| 02:08:25 | Llorean | I think it's supposed to have been squashed |
| 02:08:36 | Soap | mikeage still offers a daily no-scaling build. The only build he is still doing IIRC. It is simply that fact that made me question myself. |
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| 02:10:20 | Llorean | Soap: It's possible he doesn't know things are supposed to be fixed? |
| 02:10:38 | thommy_ | hi |
| 02:10:44 | Soap | possible - I'll contact him. I like it when the unsupported builds forum is tidy. |
| 02:10:55 | thommy_ | what kind of playlist can be used in rockbox? |
| 02:11:46 | thommy_ | the one creating with amarok don't work |
| 02:11:52 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Llorean: I remember reading about that bug being squashed back in June, if I remember. |
| 02:12:35 | Llorean | LambdaCalcuclus3: Yes, but it's of the sort of bug where we *think* it's quashed, but we've kinda thought we had it before until widespread testing showed it was just in remission for a bit. |
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| 02:13:12 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Llorean: Isn't that a Heisenbug? :) |
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| 02:13:33 | Llorean | Yep. |
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| 02:14:39 | Soap | jhMikeS: iRiver H10 20GB - sell it to you for $50 and will consider the other $50 a donation to Rockbox. |
| 02:14:54 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Llorean: The "Uncertainty" bugs are the worst. :) |
| 02:15:18 | Llorean | No, the worst are the "we're certain the bug exists, it just refuses to happen on a player anyone who can do anything about it owns" :) |
| 02:15:24 | Llorean | Like this recent Nano epidemic. |
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| 02:15:56 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Llorean: Yep, that's a Heisenbug, all right. |
| 02:16:19 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | They appear in certain situations, but when someone goes to hunt them down, they're not there! |
| 02:16:29 | `sh4 | man, the e200 weighs a little more than the ipod nano...but i like it so much better. can't stand the nanos personally :( |
| 02:16:52 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | `sh4: What would you rather have? Performance or pretty face? |
| 02:16:55 | `sh4 | guess i can't really speak for the 2nd gen ones however |
| 02:17:01 | Soap | jhMikeS: iPod 1st/2nd gen. 10GB "Sometimes boots, sometimes doesn't" (assume hard drive dying?) - free if interested and if seller still has it. |
| 02:17:09 | `sh4 | LambdaCalcuclus3: a nice mix ;) |
| 02:17:10 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Personally, I'd take a Sansa over a nano ANY day of the week. |
| 02:17:17 | `sh4 | me too hehe |
| 02:17:21 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Performance AND a pretty face! |
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| 02:19:26 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Soap: Are you the one getting rid of the iPod? |
| 02:19:38 | Soap | heck no. |
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| 02:19:58 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Soap: Just asking. |
| 02:20:37 | Soap | Wasn't trying to be rude - but a real man wouldn't sell a rockboxable DAP. Unless that man was toffee. |
| 02:21:19 | * | scorche takes away an e |
| 02:21:28 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Soap: Or just plain daft. :P |
| 02:21:43 | Llorean | Or has half a dozen already, and is trading up. ;) |
| 02:21:58 | Soap | that is no excuse Llorean ! |
| 02:22:15 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Soap: Maybe Llorean wants to share the wealth? :) |
| 02:22:30 | `sh4 | i've always kinda liked the 3rd gen ipods. my 4th's alright too |
| 02:22:32 | Soap | oh - GIFTING up I can handle. |
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| 02:22:59 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | `sh4: The 3rd Gen iPods are now more stable as well. |
| 02:23:22 | Llorean | Soap: I've got two F40s at the moment, I'm trading one up for an S60. Selling one when/if the S port finishes. |
| 02:23:26 | `sh4 | LambdaCalcuclus3: ah, very nice. i might pick one of those up sometime, just for the hell of it |
| 02:23:39 | `sh4 | such a shame they're black and white though :( |
| 02:23:53 | Soap | so you'll have no F40's? |
| 02:23:54 | Llorean | 3rd gen iPods also get better battery life than in the retail firmware now, I believe |
| 02:23:56 | Llorean | Or was it just 1/2? |
| 02:24:08 | Llorean | Soap: No, sorry, I was unclear. I'll have one F40, and sell one. |
| 02:24:16 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Llorean: I know for a fact the 2nd Gen models get better battery life. |
| 02:24:25 | Soap | I just want to state for the record they are _possibly_ getting better battery life. |
| 02:24:53 | Soap | He got a better runtime than Apple quotes. I get better runtime than Apple quotes on my 5th gen (in original firmware) |
| 02:24:53 | Llorean | Soap: How 'bout "should under equivalent conditions"? |
| 02:25:12 | Llorean | Or at least "Aren't suffering a runtime penalty for running Rockbox"? |
| 02:25:19 | Soap | I can swallow that. |
| 02:26:03 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Llorean: One of my friends tried it on his 2nd Gen. Runtime on default settings: roughly 14.8 hours. |
| 02:26:18 | `sh4 | ^^geez, pretty good |
| 02:26:34 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Wasn't the original runtime on the OF somewhere around 10-12 hours, or no? |
| 02:26:42 | Llorean | `sh4: Runtime on the M5L with Rockbox is something like 45 hours? |
| 02:26:55 | `sh4 | !! o_0 |
| 02:26:58 | Soap | In my experience, Apple is conservative in runtime quotes. |
| 02:27:00 | `sh4 | that's sick |
| 02:27:12 | Soap | on my Nano 1st, Nano 2nd, and 5th gen. |
| 02:27:30 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | My iPod video 5.5G gets about 8 to 9 hours with Rockbox on one full charge. |
| 02:27:40 | Llorean | I imagine if the iFP port had ever finished we'd be seeing quite impressive runtimes there too. |
| 02:28:11 | Llorean | It's one of those players that runs on a AA and gets some 40 or so hours. |
| 02:28:39 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Llorean: That's even better than the Archos players, in a way! |
| 02:29:24 | Llorean | 'cept no Rockbox |
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| 02:29:49 | `sh4 | uh oh. i probably need a USB cable for my 4th gen to install the Rockbox bootloader, don't i? only have a firewire connection for it at the moment |
| 02:30:10 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | `sh4: Yep. Better get shopping. |
| 02:30:11 | `sh4 | not a huge deal, could always borrow a USB cable |
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| 02:31:17 | `sh4 | LambdaCalcuclus3: i'll just have to borrow my buddy's or something, no biggy. i'm still running USB 1.1 on my setups, so you can see why i'm using firewire haha |
| 02:31:55 | `sh4 | probably have a USB 2.0 card laying around even. have so much crap |
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| 02:31:59 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | `sh4: iPodpatcher isn't picky about the speed of your USB ports. All it wants is a USB port. |
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| 02:32:27 | `sh4 | LambdaCalcuclus3: oh yeah, i was just saying it in a completely unrelated manner :) |
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| 02:34:01 | * | LambdaCalcuclus3 feels a wee bit sheepish |
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| 02:34:35 | * | scorche gets the wool shears out |
| 02:35:05 | `sh4 | damn it. i think i need pizza |
| 02:35:18 | `sh4 | (wool pizza) |
| 02:36:59 | `sh4 | laters |
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| 02:40:04 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Llorean: I've noticed that there are a few targets that are incomplete that are still in the source. |
| 02:40:39 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Beside the iFP port. |
| 02:40:46 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | *besides |
| 02:41:43 | scorche | yup |
| 02:43:23 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Just curious, but if nothing happens with those incomplete ports, what will happen with them? Would they be removed from source, or just left there for they day someone interested comes along? |
| 02:44:28 | Llorean | Eventually they get pruned, if they get in the way of anything else. |
| 02:46:40 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | I've noticed that the Archos AV300 comes up as a target when you run the configure script to create a makefile. |
| 02:46:43 | rasher | w32 sim, x11 sim, gminis. |
| 02:47:04 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | How far along is that target in terms of completed code? |
| 02:47:29 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | I believe the AV300 uses a TMS320 as well, correct? |
| 02:53:23 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Note to all: Dell DJ findings posted on the forums at http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11368.msg93659;topicseen#msg93659 and soon on the wiki. |
| 02:56:29 | iamben | wtf doom takes longer to install now than it did 10 years ago |
| 02:58:54 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | iamben: What do you mean? |
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| 03:01:42 | * | LambdaCalcuclus3 will be right back |
| 03:04:17 | * | LambdaCalcuclus3 is back |
| 03:08:08 | iamben | oh, i had to do the actual doom install in dosbox to get my wads |
| 03:08:29 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | iamben: Better than nothing. |
| 03:08:38 | iamben | but i have to say, the rockbox doom implementation is pretty sweet, looks great w/ the screen rotated on e200 |
| 03:11:41 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | iamben: Rockdoom looks especially nice on the iPod video or the Gigabeat with landscape rotation. |
| 03:12:15 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | Too bad the same can't be said of the control scheme, but I just run it to mess around with it. |
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| 03:22:14 | iamben | on my sansa it seem to confuse the "select" and "record" buttons |
| 03:23:14 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | iamben: You could always tweak the code and create a patch for other Sansa users. |
| 03:23:15 | iamben | actually, when i physically push the "select" button, it triggers the action i set in rb's doom options for both "select" and "record" |
| 03:23:36 | iamben | i'll... "look into it" =) |
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| 03:29:14 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | I'm about to head off myself. |
| 03:29:28 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | I'll see everyone later! |
| 03:29:51 | LambdaCalcuclus3 | *BAMF* |
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| 03:32:57 | iamben | yeah that source is a bit confusing |
| 03:33:10 | iamben | anyone w/ an e200 & doom that can confirm what im seeing? |
| 03:34:04 | RudMan_ | I got it - exactly what is happening? |
| 03:34:31 | iamben | basically: |
| 03:34:42 | RudMan_ | what options did you set? |
| 03:34:46 | iamben | i set "select" to be fire button, and "record" to be strafe button |
| 03:34:59 | iamben | when in game, i press "select" and it does fire AND strafe |
| 03:35:02 | iamben | and "record" does nothing. |
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| 03:36:20 | LiquidDragon | Evening fellows |
| 03:36:36 | LiquidDragon | and ladies? |
| 03:36:45 | RudMan_ | iam: yep - happens here |
| 03:36:58 | iamben | alright thanks |
| 03:37:04 | iamben | now i have the courage to file a bug =) |
| 03:38:09 | iamben | although i may just try to figure it out myself tomorrow, i'd also love it if i could use the scroll wheel to navigate the doom menus until im actually in game |
| 03:38:18 | LiquidDragon | Is it okay to completely wipe my ipod and then install rockbox? |
| 03:38:26 | LiquidDragon | or do i still need some apple stuff on it? |
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| 03:41:52 | saaad | can someone help me with my gigabeat :( |
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| 03:43:18 | LiquidDragon | so is it okay to wipe all files off the ipod? |
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| 03:45:40 | krazykit | saaad, only if you ask the question ;_ |
| 03:45:47 | krazykit | ;) even. |
| 03:51:41 | saaad | WELL |
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| 03:51:59 | saaad | i got an error message saying "Connect the Portable Media Center to a PC" |
| 03:52:25 | krazykit | you have a gigabeat f or x, right? |
| 03:52:30 | saaad | ssssssssssssssssssss |
| 03:52:46 | krazykit | the s isn't supported by rockbox. |
| 03:52:53 | saaad | :O |
| 03:52:58 | Nimdae | yeah |
| 03:53:00 | Nimdae | it's an atrocity |
| 03:53:14 | saaad | but #gigabeat is a ghost town |
| 03:53:17 | saaad | and i need help :( |
| 03:53:26 | saaad | mmkay i guess i wont find it here |
| 03:53:29 | saaad | thnx anyway bub |
| 03:53:31 | krazykit | well, seeing as rockbox doesn't run on the gigabeat s, you won't find it anyway |
| 03:53:38 | Nimdae | yeah |
| 03:53:50 | | Part saaad |
| 03:53:50 | Nimdae | it's just not supported by rockbox _yet_ |
| 03:54:08 | Nimdae | oh well |
| 03:54:44 | Nimdae | i'm gonna make another build of rockbox with usb support just so i can drool over it and see if there's anything i can report on |
| 03:57:27 | iamben | good idea, i've been following all the svn commits concerning usb but havent been home to be able to build a new rb until now |
| 03:57:44 | Nimdae | yeah, been watching it too |
| 03:57:54 | Nimdae | last build i made showed no errors, though |
| 03:58:29 | krazykit | you need to add some #defines, don't you? |
| 03:58:41 | Nimdae | naa, they are there, but commented out |
| 03:58:51 | * | krazykit should play with it this weekend |
| 03:59:06 | Nimdae | it doesn't do much yet |
| 03:59:28 | Nimdae | it connects and identifies itself to the system |
| 03:59:31 | Nimdae | but that's about it |
| 03:59:36 | Nimdae | at least, as far as i can tell |
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| 04:01:31 | Nimdae | still, that's a lot farther than it has been |
| 04:02:07 | iamben | Nimdae: where can i find out what needs to be uncommented? |
| 04:02:18 | Nimdae | what device do you have? |
| 04:02:38 | Nimdae | it's in firmware/export/ |
| 04:02:39 | iamben | e200 |
| 04:02:47 | iamben | gotcha |
| 04:03:16 | Nimdae | like for me, firmware/export/config-ipodvideo.h (i think) |
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| 04:13:46 | iamben | got it to build, and it *tries* to initialize, but i just get repeated "device not accepting address" errors in dmesg |
| 04:14:05 | iamben | i mean it tries to initialize when i plug in usb |
| 04:14:48 | Nimdae | i haven't even tried connecting it in linux |
| 04:14:51 | Nimdae | will have to look at that |
| 04:15:15 | Nimdae | still making my usb build (i build my regular build first) |
| 04:21:05 | Nimdae | bah, it's back to locking up when i plug in usb on my regular build |
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| 04:22:49 | Nimdae | wb |
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| 04:27:50 | Nimdae | yup, connected, attempted a few resets, then disconnected |
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| 04:59:05 | LiquidDragon | what is usb support going to enable? |
| 04:59:20 | Nimdae | access the files without it rebooting to disk mode |
| 04:59:26 | Nimdae | and some other stuff |
| 04:59:31 | LiquidDragon | Ahh okay |
| 04:59:32 | Nimdae | i think there's a serial access mode too |
| 04:59:49 | Nimdae | so maybe we'll see accessory support |
| 04:59:54 | LiquidDragon | I wish i knew how to code for rockbox |
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| 05:00:09 | Nimdae | me too |
| 05:00:14 | scorche | Nimdae: the AAP is different |
| 05:00:18 | scorche | then learn |
| 05:00:34 | Nimdae | i don't have time :(, is pend most of my time on stuff relating to work |
| 05:00:42 | LiquidDragon | Yeah same |
| 05:00:49 | LiquidDragon | and i am getting back to school next week |
| 05:01:03 | LiquidDragon | Wish i knew about this at the beginning of the summer :( |
| 05:01:10 | Nimdae | heh |
| 05:01:17 | Nimdae | summer means more owrk for me |
| 05:01:22 | LiquidDragon | Yup me too |
| 05:01:30 | Nimdae | stupid projects |
| 05:01:33 | LiquidDragon | But i did helpdesk support so i had some free time |
| 05:01:38 | LiquidDragon | haha |
| 05:01:45 | Nimdae | i'm glad i'm past helpdesk support |
| 05:01:58 | LiquidDragon | Ugh, it's no fun sometimes |
| 05:02:02 | Nimdae | but that just means i take programs from crappy programmers and make them work |
| 05:02:11 | LiquidDragon | lol |
| 05:02:13 | LiquidDragon | what language? |
| 05:02:17 | Nimdae | scorche: can i get rockbox devs to replace our developers at work? |
| 05:02:23 | Nimdae | C i think |
| 05:02:31 | LiquidDragon | You think? |
| 05:02:37 | scorche | Nimdae: if you pay enough, sure |
| 05:02:41 | LiquidDragon | You don't even know what kind of programs you fix? |
| 05:02:50 | Nimdae | these developers...instead of fixing a warning or error from the compiler...they change thec ompiler environment so it compiles |
| 05:03:00 | LiquidDragon | O_o |
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| 05:03:09 | Nimdae | LiquidDragon: i don't program at work, i work on the server environments |
| 05:03:22 | LiquidDragon | Ohh gotcha |
| 05:03:31 | LiquidDragon | Wish i did stuff like that |
| 05:03:43 | Nimdae | are you sure? |
| 05:03:51 | Nimdae | i'm betting there are better jobs |
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| 05:04:01 | LiquidDragon | Oh i am sure there are |
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| 05:04:06 | LiquidDragon | Most are better than helpdesk |
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| 05:05:40 | Nimdae | bah, i lost my bookmarks and don't have the flyspray number for the accessory support |
| 05:06:28 | Nimdae | scorche: so the serial thing, is it like a raw connection to the device? |
| 05:06:45 | scorche | well, it is serial...not sure what you mean |
| 05:07:35 | Nimdae | well yeah, but like with serial, you send signaling over the line for communication and the remote device may or may not respond, or something...i should stop trying now |
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| 05:12:31 | Nimdae | anyway it's my bedtime |
| 05:12:34 | alienbiker99 | is the usb stack still unusable |
| 05:12:50 | LiquidDragon | Good night Nimdae |
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| 07:33:06 | webguest46 | Hi guys |
| 07:33:23 | webguest46 | Love Rockbox.. |
| 07:33:29 | webguest46 | Rockbox is ROCK |
| 07:34:35 | webguest46 | one question though...I have my Rockbox set as default config.(no graphic).. some of the FLAC play only partial of the song and jump to the next song and again doing the same on the next and next songs |
| 07:34:59 | webguest46 | is that because of something wrong with the FLAC album? |
| 07:35:37 | webguest46 | I don't seem to have problem with some other FLAC |
| 07:37:18 | webguest46 | anyone? |
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| 07:39:40 | webguest46 | ok..so let try the next question that I am having problem with.. |
| 07:40:04 | webguest46 | I am using the IPOD 80GB Video..how do I increase the plugin memory? |
| 07:40:25 | aliask | webguest46: Why do you want to? |
| 07:40:59 | webguest46 | because when I try to view picture, some said that I don't have enough plugin memory |
| 07:41:18 | aliask | You'd have to manually recompile rockbox |
| 07:41:49 | webguest46 | ok..and how am I going about doing that? |
| 07:42:28 | webguest46 | what compiler do I use |
| 07:43:49 | aliask | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 07:45:38 | webguest46 | Thanks aliask |
| 07:50:26 | webguest46 | Thanks to all though who put great effort and time in developing ROCKBOX... |
| 07:50:50 | webguest46 | those |
| 07:52:34 | webguest46 | Here is my small wish list: |
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| 07:54:07 | webguest46 | 1) when in Rockbox, shutdown (sleep) mode should wake up in Rockbox instead of Linux boot screen ( when in apple mode, it actually wake up in ipod). |
| 07:54:18 | webguest46 | 2) play mp4 on it |
| 07:55:02 | webguest46 | 3) Database should see playlist exactly as Apple playlist |
| 07:55:10 | webguest46 | That's it!!! |
| 07:57:29 | scorche | shutdown is not the same as sleep, and that is the ipl bootloader...not ours; as for 2 that is not likely to happen as you typically have to reformat for the ipod anyway and we do not control the broadcom chip on the device; as for 3, there was a discussion on the forums about it semi-recently...look at that for our thoughts |
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| 08:01:14 | webguest46 | 1) let say I pause rockbox and it turn off by itself, when I click Select, it turn back on with IP bootloader |
| 08:01:48 | scorche | as i said, that isnt our bootloader....that is ipl's |
| 08:02:24 | webguest46 | I understand your point, just that I wonder why it would work in Apple mode |
| 08:02:41 | scorche | wonder why what would work? |
| 08:04:00 | webguest46 | when boot in Apple mode, when it goes to sleep, wake up in apple instead of bootloader |
| 08:04:11 | scorche | the original firmware rarely ever shuts down...it goes into sleep mode...rockbox shuts down and doesnt sleep...if you had our bootloader, it would go right into rockbox without a boot menu |
| 08:04:29 | scorche | as i said before...shutdown is not the same as sleep |
| 08:05:20 | webguest46 | ok..is there away I can make Rockbox to sleep instead of shutdown while idling |
| 08:05:50 | scorche | as i said before, rockbox doesnt sleep |
| 08:06:03 | webguest46 | oh..ok |
| 08:06:08 | webguest46 | Thx |
| 08:06:40 | webguest46 | and that's why I put it on wish list to sleep instead of shutdown when idling |
| 08:07:25 | scorche | well, your wishlist doesnt really mean anything...we have a section of our tracker that is dedicated to feature requests...if it isnt there already, add it |
| 08:08:01 | webguest46 | alright..Thanks scorche |
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| 08:38:24 | ddalton | does anyone here use the wake up alarm on the ipod? |
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| 09:19:05 | rvvs89 | ddalton: if you mean in the Apple firmware, yes |
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| 09:20:01 | ddalton | no I mean the rockbox fw. /setting/general settings/system/ and then I think it is called wake up alarm. |
| 09:20:14 | rvvs89 | righto |
| 09:20:26 | ddalton | do you use it? |
| 09:21:03 | rvvs89 | just the Apple firmware and iPodLinux to be honest |
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| 09:21:25 | ddalton | can you run rockbox and ipodlinux at the same time/? |
| 09:21:26 | ddalton | ? |
| 09:21:47 | rvvs89 | if by run you mean have them installed, yes |
| 09:22:03 | ddalton | o yeah sorry. |
| 09:22:11 | ddalton | so how does or the booting work? |
| 09:22:19 | ddalton | all |
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| 09:22:44 | rvvs89 | well, if you mostly use rockbox, you'll probably want to keep that bootloader |
| 09:22:54 | rvvs89 | I'm not sure if it can load iPL though |
| 09:23:05 | rvvs89 | what with not using it and all heh |
| 09:23:21 | rvvs89 | I do know that iPod Loader 2 will load both |
| 09:23:30 | rvvs89 | but apparently it causes some problems |
| 09:23:53 | B4gder | yes, the rockbox bootloader can load and run linux too |
| 09:23:54 | ddalton | so what one is better? |
| 09:24:18 | B4gder | ddalton: the ipl loader has a fancy menu, the rockbox one does not |
| 09:24:41 | ddalton | so is ipodlinux better than rb? |
| 09:24:42 | rvvs89 | you can customise the iPL loader menu |
| 09:24:43 | B4gder | ddalton: for you I guess that won't be much fun anyway ;-) |
| 09:24:49 | ddalton | yeah |
| 09:25:00 | rvvs89 | ddalton: they aren't comparable |
| 09:25:12 | rvvs89 | but I would say rockbox does a far better job at being a music player |
| 09:25:23 | rvvs89 | and is far more active with development |
| 09:25:53 | rvvs89 | however, if you want Linuc on your iPod, then look no further |
| 09:25:59 | rvvs89 | s/Linuc/Linux |
| 09:27:57 | ddalton | so what does linux do on the ipod? |
| 09:28:09 | ddalton | and can you develop it like rockbox? |
| 09:28:26 | B4gder | ddalton: it has a few more games |
| 09:29:14 | scorche | ddalton: afaik, being blind-friendly is not one of its goals |
| 09:29:18 | rvvs89 | well, it's also Linux, so a lot of the things you can do on a desktop in Linux, you can also do in iPL |
| 09:29:42 | B4gder | except that it doesn't have a keyboard or any other decent input... |
| 09:30:01 | ddalton | so can you patch the kernal and compile it. |
| 09:30:09 | ddalton | so use www.linux-speakup.org |
| 09:30:09 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:30:11 | rvvs89 | B4dger: but it does... |
| 09:30:21 | ddalton | so any linux app will work on it? |
| 09:30:26 | B4gder | ddalton: but they use an outdated kernel and I doubt many people build their own |
| 09:30:36 | B4gder | ddalton: no |
| 09:30:47 | B4gder | ddalton: you need to rebuild them for it and it is uclinux, not "real" linux |
| 09:31:01 | ddalton | B4gder: do they need to be ported to it like rockbox? |
| 09:31:02 | B4gder | which is almost the same, but not exactly the same |
| 09:31:15 | B4gder | ddalton: they probably require less porting than for rockbox |
| 09:31:22 | rvvs89 | ddalton: why don't you have a look at the web site... when it comes back online... |
| 09:31:29 | rvvs89 | http://ipodlinux.org/ |
| 09:31:36 | ddalton | so you could probably somehow get www.linux-speakup.org to run on ipodlinux? |
| 09:31:40 | B4gder | rvvs89: the ipodlinux site really is not very useful to get info |
| 09:31:40 | ddalton | speakup |
| 09:31:57 | B4gder | ddalton: possibly yes, it depends on what that system requires |
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| 09:33:42 | rvvs89 | ddalton: it is somewhat hindered by a number of debilitating kernel bugs |
| 09:34:05 | rvvs89 | if you want more info there's #ipodlinux |
| 09:36:28 | ddalton | I don't think I will use it. (I am blind so that is a problem) And it would help if I had an ipod. |
| 09:36:30 | linuxstb | rvvs89: Out of curiousity, what do you use IPL for? |
| 09:36:38 | ddalton | and I won't be buying another ipod. |
| 09:37:12 | * | ddalton Isn't a big fan of the apple ipod |
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| 09:41:48 | * | ddalton has just about got the alarm on the ipod talking. |
| 09:41:56 | ddalton | any interest in this? |
| 09:45:09 | * | petur hates any noise from an alarm ;) |
| 09:46:44 | * | scorche has interest if we change the lang file to voice "beer beer beer!" on the alarm for petur |
| 09:47:37 | petur | what would that help? I still wouldn't have one on my desk here ;) |
| 09:48:13 | petur | btw, a great beer lover died: Michael Jackson |
| 09:48:23 | petur | wrote a book on Belgian beers |
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| 09:49:31 | doktoreas | hi to all |
| 09:49:39 | doktoreas | is it possible to listen mpc wih rockbox? |
| 09:49:52 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 09:50:18 | doktoreas | Does I need some plugin? |
| 09:50:23 | linuxstb | No. |
| 09:50:30 | doktoreas | ok thank you very much |
| 09:50:35 | linuxstb | You're welcome. |
| 09:51:04 | linuxstb | (my answers assumed you're not using an Archos player) |
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| 09:51:33 | doktoreas | nope, ipod min |
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| 10:01:44 | rvvs89 | linuxstb: I find the file browser and text input to be pretty useful, and I'm developing a couple of dodgy applications for it |
| 10:02:56 | linuxstb | OK, so as a developer you were more attracted to IPL than Rockbox? |
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| 10:03:22 | linuxstb | That seems to be common - lots of people are developing apps for IPL, but very few ipod owners seem to develop apps for Rockbox... |
| 10:03:42 | morrijr | IPL? |
| 10:03:59 | GodEater | ipod linux |
| 10:04:03 | morrijr | ta |
| 10:04:26 | GodEater | linuxstb: malloc() ;) |
| 10:04:35 | linuxstb | GodEater: But no free() ! |
| 10:04:36 | rvvs89 | yeah, about that heh |
| 10:05:20 | GodEater | linuxstb: real programmers don't care about free() - they like memory leaks :) |
| 10:05:37 | linuxstb | GodEater: You can't talk - you've used malloc in your plugin... |
| 10:05:58 | GodEater | ripped straight from your mpegplayer plugin yes |
| 10:06:12 | linuxstb | I had an excuse - mpegplayer is a port of libmpeg2 |
| 10:06:40 | B4gder | ... but then ipl can't play music decently since they don't have memory available ;-) |
| 10:06:52 | GodEater | well perhaps fm2's rewrite of the plugin will replace my linked list code with a proper array then |
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| 10:13:41 | amiconn | B4gder: Yup, and on G1..G3 ipl won't play music decently when higher bitrates are used |
| 10:13:57 | B4gder | that too |
| 10:14:17 | B4gder | but their gameboy emulator is said to be better! ;-) |
| 10:14:34 | linuxstb | But they're cheating - they have devs that care about it... |
| 10:14:43 | B4gder | hehe |
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| 10:17:23 | fm2 | GodEater: one more question about shortcuts. Why did you choose to use malloc()? Why not grab the buffer and use it as an array? |
| 10:17:44 | GodEater | hahahahahaha |
| 10:17:50 | GodEater | it's like he's psychic |
| 10:18:09 | GodEater | fm2 - mainly because the example in the listwidgets page in the wiki used one |
| 10:18:25 | GodEater | and I could be bothered to work out how to rework that example to read an array |
| 10:18:31 | GodEater | so pure laziness |
| 10:19:45 | * | scorche is seeing a theme here |
| 10:20:40 | fm2 | GodEater: because all that stuff with last_entry etc is ... a little bit magic. But it can be a good example that malloc is still possible in RB :-) |
| 10:21:33 | GodEater | fm2: yes - I found the edge cases a bit of a pain - it didn't start that complex :( |
| 10:23:24 | fm2 | GodEater: do you know how to write at the end of a file, i.e. append to it? The appender could then be greatly simplified. |
| 10:23:57 | GodEater | fm2: seek to the end, and write there |
| 10:23:59 | GodEater | not too tricky |
| 10:24:25 | GodEater | I just chose not to that way in my plugin because it made it more complex if you were writing the file once an entry had been deleted |
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| 10:25:40 | fm2 | GodEater: what should be the mode? O_RDWR? |
| 10:25:54 | GodEater | fm2: "man open" |
| 10:26:11 | fm2 | ok |
| 10:26:21 | GodEater | O_RDWR looks like it would work though |
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| 10:30:25 | B4gder | bloody spammers finally ended up using my from adress when sending to the rockbox mailing list |
| 10:30:46 | B4gder | with the correct to address as well |
| 10:31:07 | B4gder | they usually don't care about the To: field, which is how we catch 10-20 of these attempts every day |
| 10:31:26 | B4gder | now I bet I'll have to moderate my own posts ;-/ |
| 10:31:44 | Zagor | a hundred monkeys typing... |
| 10:32:08 | B4gder | btw, I have another fancy web script coming up |
| 10:32:14 | B4gder | check out http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/threads.html |
| 10:32:23 | GodEater | email is so broken :( |
| 10:32:24 | scorche | B4gder: so why didnt it go through? |
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| 10:32:45 | B4gder | scorche: the mailing list software requires a valid receipient in the headers |
| 10:32:54 | B4gder | the mailing list address |
| 10:33:00 | Zagor | B4gder: that looks nice |
| 10:33:38 | B4gder | perhaps front page material |
| 10:34:30 | Zagor | definitely |
| 10:37:41 | B4gder | the css might need some additions to make it fancy |
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| 10:43:03 | B4gder | Zagor: care to poke on the css to see if you can make it look nice? |
| 10:43:12 | Zagor | sure |
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| 10:53:58 | B4gder | the threads are below the svn table atm |
| 10:56:34 | midkay | confusing.. |
| 10:56:43 | midkay | what's "threads" and what's the "first" link for? |
| 10:57:18 | B4gder | a thread is a mail thread |
| 10:57:29 | B4gder | the first link is a link to the first mail in the thread |
| 10:57:41 | B4gder | the number is the number of mails in the thread |
| 10:57:52 | midkay | so the actual link is to the latest post? |
| 10:58:02 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:58:09 | midkay | very confusing stuff. |
| 10:58:21 | midkay | should be s/"recent threads on the mailing list"/"recent posts on the mailing list". |
| 10:58:49 | B4gder | but it is recent threads, since it shows the ten most recent threads and not the ten most recent posts... |
| 10:59:01 | midkay | that's even more confusing. |
| 10:59:33 | petur | maybe "recent active threads"? |
| 10:59:53 | petur | or "posts on recent active threads" |
| 10:59:58 | midkay | i think it'd be most useful if you made it exactly like "recent svn" activity and just show the ten most recent posts or something. that or the ten most recent threads, and provide a link to first and latest post. |
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| 11:00:43 | B4gder | I'll commit the script soon and you'll be free to improve it ;-) |
| 11:01:08 | midkay | i say make it look like the SVN table, make it "recent threads on the mailing list", make the columns "List" (for list posted to), "subject" (with URLs to first and latest post), time of creation and/or latest post, and number of replies or something. |
| 11:01:11 | B4gder | it very often doesn't know the first mail in the threads |
| 11:01:11 | midkay | haha. |
| 11:01:56 | B4gder | mostly because I've written the script to not scan more mails than necessary |
| 11:02:17 | B4gder | since there are insanely many mails to scan otherwise |
| 11:02:33 | LinusN | well, if it fails to find the first post, it is surely necessary to scan more mails |
| 11:02:46 | B4gder | not only |
| 11:02:55 | B4gder | it also fails because the script isn't perfect |
| 11:03:00 | LinusN | of course |
| 11:03:09 | B4gder | like when people change subject names etc, it fails to figure out the first |
| 11:06:33 | B4gder | and I also think that as always, you need to learn how to read the info for it to be really usable |
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| 11:06:51 | B4gder | I think it works fine to attract people to actions on the lists |
| 11:08:40 | toed | how can I install the loader2 bootloader? the ipodlinux site seems to be down so I can't find the instructions |
| 11:08:52 | B4gder | try #ipodlinux |
| 11:09:10 | ddalton | why are you asking here? |
| 11:10:07 | toed | because I want it to load rockbox and I've never used ipodlinux |
| 11:10:45 | B4gder | then we recommend reading and following the install procedure in the manual |
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| 11:13:08 | * | ddalton will leave ipodlinux now because my build is done. And this is a far better channel. |
| 11:13:11 | markun | toed: I don't know either |
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| 11:16:32 | DerPapst | Moning:) |
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| 11:21:25 | desowin | maybe someone should remove support WMA from NODO |
| 11:21:58 | desowin | oh, wait, it's for archos |
| 11:22:09 | desowin | sorry, sometimes I can't read |
| 11:32:27 | markun | morning DerPapst! |
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| 11:44:53 | ddalton | If I put ID2P in a gui_syncsplash will it talk when talk menus is not enabled? |
| 11:45:01 | ddalton | I know talk_id and talk_value will |
| 11:46:59 | DerPapst | ddalton: btw there was a flite port for ipodlinux. and i heard a rumor that someone tries to "re-port" it. but that was already a few month ago ;) |
| 11:48:16 | * | DerPapst still has a talking ipodlinux on his 3rd gen iPod |
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| 11:50:27 | DerPapst | moin fxb :) |
| 11:50:46 | fxb | moin DerPapst :) |
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| 11:56:03 | pixelma | LinusN: around? |
| 11:57:02 | LinusN | yup |
| 11:58:13 | * | bluebrother notices the "Recent Threads" on the front page |
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| 11:59:01 | bluebrother | but why not use a nice table similar to the svn log one? It looks a bit out of place currently. |
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| 12:02:01 | BigBambi | Also, for the threads on the front page I think it would make sense to swap the subject and date columns |
| 12:02:15 | BigBambi | So the sidebar isn't so big and the subject has more space |
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| 12:03:09 | bluebrother | why not use a sorting similar to the svn table? Date, Author and then Subject |
| 12:03:49 | BigBambi | Also fine, but I think a short field should be first in the sidebar |
| 12:03:57 | BigBambi | As we both have said |
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| 12:04:47 | DerPapst | afaik the script is in svn.. feel free to imporve :P |
| 12:05:04 | ddalton | LinusN: Do you know if ID2P splash screens will talk? When voice menus is on no. |
| 12:05:53 | BigBambi | I thought website stuff was seperate |
| 12:07:36 | LinusN | ddalton: no, only when voice menus is active |
| 12:07:39 | bluebrother | BigBambi: yes ... it's a different svn module |
| 12:07:53 | BigBambi | ah, ok |
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| 12:09:52 | ddalton | LinusN: thanks |
| 12:10:23 | DerPapst | the script isn't in svn yet ;) |
| 12:10:30 | * | LinusN doesn't really appreciate the "Special Offer" thread on the front page |
| 12:10:55 | ddalton | LinusN: Why don't we just right in the talk_ functions to only voice if voice menus is on. |
| 12:11:04 | ddalton | wouldn't that save a lot of coding? |
| 12:11:40 | LinusN | ddalton: makes sense |
| 12:12:01 | ddalton | do you want me to write a quick patch up to do that? |
| 12:12:19 | ddalton | because I have made the alram talk on the ipod and it requiored about for if statements. |
| 12:12:20 | LinusN | ddalton: it could be that the talk_ functions may be used for other voice options |
| 12:12:26 | ddalton | alarm |
| 12:12:34 | LinusN | like file numbering |
| 12:13:02 | LinusN | so it wouldn't know which option would apply |
| 12:13:09 | ddalton | LinusN: ok but surely talk_id could have that code in it? |
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| 12:13:31 | LinusN | ddalton: perhaps |
| 12:14:42 | ddalton | or we could right if menus enabled or file numbering is on or spell is on then voice else don't talk. |
| 12:14:51 | ddalton | t do you think? |
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| 12:16:25 | ddalton | LinusN: you there? |
| 12:17:14 | LinusN | yes, that might work, but then some items will be voiced when they aren't supposed to |
| 12:17:40 | ddalton | o yeah good point. Something for me to think about. |
| 12:17:56 | ddalton | but numbering is only active in the file browser right? |
| 12:18:17 | ddalton | and is controled by the number option being on? |
| 12:19:14 | LinusN | i think file numbering is only used in the browser |
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| 12:24:49 | desowin | I'm reading wiki, and can Sansa firmware really USB attach/detach without reboot? it keeps rebooting here even when I only put the usb cable in and then unplugged it (without mounting) |
| 12:26:59 | desowin | oh, do you have anything against if I change it to sometimes, and add footnote that it happens only in mtp mode? |
| 12:27:53 | DerPapst | it's a wiki. if someone dislikes your edit they can revert it. so go ahead :) |
| 12:28:04 | ddalton | so for talk_spell if we say if spell is on then talk else don't talk won't that work? Menus aren't spelled. |
| 12:28:37 | ddalton | basically would you call talk_spell if spell is off? |
| 12:28:45 | ddalton | I can see the problem with talk_value |
| 12:30:46 | ddalton | anyone here got an ipod with a wake up rtc? |
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| 12:38:23 | ddalton | can someone test p7682 for me? |
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| 12:52:58 | ddalton | LinusN: Are you interesting in committing p6138 and p7647? |
| 12:53:28 | ddalton | p6138 requires p7647 |
| 12:53:33 | LinusN | ddalton: i am a little busy right now |
| 12:54:05 | ddalton | ok then. He has just been asking me if I could try and get someone to commit his patches. |
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| 12:57:16 | ddalton | anyone interested in committing a patch? |
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| 13:00:44 | fm2 | GodEater: I've now read the today's irc log and can now understand your phrase with "psychic" :-) Indeed! I hadn't read the previous posts when I asked my question about malloc. |
| 13:01:42 | GodEater | :) |
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| 13:04:54 | ddalton | GodEater: Is there anything wrong with p7682? |
| 13:06:16 | GodEater | ddalton: if you mean style wise then no - otherwise I couldn't possibly comment |
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| 13:06:36 | * | GodEater isn't a member of the Rockbox patch police yet |
| 13:06:57 | ddalton | GodEater: do you have an ipod? |
| 13:09:02 | GodEater | I do |
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| 13:17:16 | ddalton | GodEater: Are you able to test something for me? |
| 13:17:25 | ddalton | you don't need a voice |
| 13:17:29 | ddalton | file |
| 13:18:06 | GodEater | ddalton: I'm really sorry - I'm really busy at work today - haven't got time to do much of anything rockboxy today :( |
| 13:19:08 | ddalton | GodEater: ok then I will see if my friend with a nano can help me. It will be very hard though because he is blind. Basically I want to test if it will talk when voice menus is off. |
| 13:19:11 | ddalton | the alarm |
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| 13:41:32 | Llorean | ddalton: Why do you want something to talk when voice is disabled? |
| 13:42:18 | ddalton | I don't I want to make sure it won't talk when voice menus is off.: |
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| 13:43:55 | ddalton | GodEater: Do you think it has no chance at getting committed like my other patch you closed a couple of days a go? |
| 13:45:06 | ddalton | I am talking about the alarm patch I wrote. |
| 13:45:10 | ddalton | just before |
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| 13:47:48 | ddalton | GodEater: are you there? |
| 13:49:24 | LinusN | ddalton: LANG_ALARM_MOD_TIME will not be spoken with your patch |
| 13:49:53 | LinusN | since it is used with an snprintf() and not talk_id |
| 13:50:49 | LinusN | so you can remove the voice phrase in the lang file and use str() instead of ID2P |
| 13:50:59 | LinusN | like it was before |
| 13:51:57 | ddalton | LinusN: is it spoken further down. Look for the variable "alarm_time_to_go" |
| 13:52:01 | ddalton | It is of type int |
| 13:52:36 | ddalton | what is the difference between str and ID2P? |
| 13:53:10 | LinusN | ddalton: but that is a different lang id, LANG_ALARM_MOD_TIME_TO_GO |
| 13:56:26 | LinusN | ddalton: str() gives you a real pointer to a string, ID2P() gives you a "virtual pointer" created from the ID |
| 13:57:05 | LinusN | it is part of a scheme that lets us pass both ID's and string pointers to some functions |
| 13:57:25 | ddalton | LinusN: thanks I will fix it |
| 13:58:00 | ddalton | LinusN: do you think if I can fix this it has any chance of being excepted? |
| 13:58:01 | LinusN | by looking at the code, i don't think it will talk if the voice menus option is off |
| 13:58:21 | ddalton | good one less thing I have to worry about. |
| 13:58:22 | LinusN | i personally don't see a reason not to accept it |
| 13:58:24 | Nico_P | bluebrother: here ? I still have my "create voice files" crash in rbutilqt |
| 13:58:32 | Nico_P | on another computer this time |
| 13:58:59 | ddalton | I think blind users should be able to get access to it. It may come in as a handy feature. |
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| 14:00:02 | Llorean | I think blind users should be able to get access to everything in Rockbox, so I'm all for voicing any screen possible with the exception of maybe the debug menu. |
| 14:00:16 | Llorean | I don't think space needs to be wasted in the voice file for that. |
| 14:01:17 | ddalton | yeah your prbably right. I would like to know what's in there. Maybe one day I will right myself a patch so I can see what's in there. |
| 14:01:21 | ddalton | probably |
| 14:01:52 | ddalton | I am about to start work on a patch that will hopefully voice the rest of the splash screens. What do you guys think? |
| 14:02:05 | * | linuxstb looks at the date and sees it's the official end of Google SoC 2007 in 7 hours |
| 14:02:19 | LinusN | ddalton: the debug menus are tricky to voice, since they display plenty of realtime information that change a lot faster than the voice can say it |
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| 14:02:52 | ddalton | ok |
| 14:02:59 | Nico_P | linuxstb: it's actually the survey deadline |
| 14:03:07 | ddalton | LinusN: do you think voicing the rest of the splash screens would be ok? |
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| 14:03:17 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I'm talking about the "final evaluation deadline" |
| 14:03:30 | LinusN | ddalton: yes, if they can be voiced |
| 14:03:31 | linuxstb | After which, google shares the cash |
| 14:03:38 | Llorean | I kinda wish that the "Scanning Disk" splash wasn't voiced, actually. |
| 14:03:40 | Nico_P | linuxstb: yes, that's it |
| 14:03:50 | ddalton | LinusN: did you say get rid of LANG_ALARM_MOD_TIME? |
| 14:03:52 | Nico_P | linuxstb: and the tshirts :) |
| 14:04:27 | LinusN | ddalton: yes, get rid of the voice part of it, that your patch added |
| 14:04:47 | linuxstb | Llorean: Isn't that useful to know that there's a delay at boot? |
| 14:05:10 | petur | FYI, unless anybody objects (PM me) I'm tilting towards passing austriancoder |
| 14:05:34 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yes, at boot perhaps. But it also speaks immediately after Disk Mode, when the scanning disk is often gone faster than I can even see it. |
| 14:05:59 | Llorean | linuxstb: Which I believe is a background scan anyway? |
| 14:07:29 | linuxstb | Llorean: I guess that's the problem with all splashes - they can be irrelevant by the time they're spoken. That's even the case with some visual splashes - e.g. quick database searches. |
| 14:08:44 | Llorean | Unfortunately there's really no way to do it better. You can't tell how long some of those splashes will be visible in advance. |
| 14:08:57 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:09:07 | linuxstb | I know.... |
| 14:09:15 | Llorean | Maybe an option to interrupt the voice if the splash being spoken is cleared? |
| 14:09:30 | Llorean | I wouldn't suggest it default to on, or you'd get people asking why their player keeps saying "Sca" |
| 14:09:54 | ddalton | I started on a couple but lost my changes. I did "scanning disk under the info screen" Deleting restarting play back and I think there was one more |
| 14:11:36 | pixelma | Febs: beat you by 9 seconds ;) |
| 14:11:41 | Febs | :) |
| 14:12:36 | preglow | jhMikeS: did you ever start on the low-latency dsp thing, btw? |
| 14:13:57 | Llorean | pixelma, febs: Does the database work on removable / hotswappable volumes right now? |
| 14:14:38 | Febs | I don't know. I assumed that it did. |
| 14:14:46 | pixelma | Llorean: I think so, dircache didn't work so auto-update would give a problem. |
| 14:14:53 | Llorean | Ah |
| 14:15:03 | * | Febs is still waiting for his e250 to arrive. |
| 14:15:08 | Llorean | So a manually updated database will work, but it'll need to be reinited if the content is removed? |
| 14:15:16 | pixelma | at least tha basic database works just fine on my Ondio |
| 14:15:23 | pixelma | yes |
| 14:15:31 | pixelma | *the |
| 14:15:58 | Llorean | I'd been tempted to suggest the database earlier when I saw that post, but realized I wasn't sure whether it worked. |
| 14:16:26 | pixelma | don't you have a Sansa? |
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| 14:17:10 | Llorean | I do, but I haven't used it with database. |
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| 14:18:12 | Llorean | Nor have I used MicroSD on it yet. :) |
| 14:18:12 | ddalton | LinusN: can you have a look at my last comment and tell me if the patch is ok? It is p7682 |
| 14:18:23 | pixelma | I'm quite sure it works, now I remember asking jhMikeS to test a bug I noticed regarding database, removing the volume and update manually |
| 14:18:51 | pixelma | (not initialising again) |
| 14:19:56 | LinusN | ddalton: looks allright, apart from some indentation, but that can be fixed by the one who commits it |
| 14:20:40 | ddalton | o sorry about that. Once I get my linux box I will try to get that perfect. Being blind isn't an excuse I know. |
| 14:21:08 | LinusN | ddalton: how come you doubled the syncsplash time from 2 to 4 seconds? |
| 14:25:51 | ddalton | LinusN: so there was enough time for the voice to finish talking. You can change it back and test if you want. I am not sure if that is going to be excepted will it? Isn't 4 seconds a bit long? |
| 14:26:16 | LinusN | 4 seconds is a very long time for a synchsplash |
| 14:26:53 | LinusN | perhaps use 2 seconds when voice is off? |
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| 14:27:19 | ddalton | ok I will have a look at that tomorrow |
| 14:27:28 | ddalton | is 4 seconds ok for when voice is on? |
| 14:28:04 | LinusN | well, if it takes that long for the voice to finish, yes |
| 14:29:44 | LinusN | something is not right in the syncsplash code |
| 14:30:19 | LinusN | ah, never mind |
| 14:32:45 | LinusN | ddalton: looking at the code, it shouldn't be necessary to increase the syncsplash time |
| 14:36:37 | delYsid | If I want to voice-enable the chessbox, how much work would that approx. be? |
| 14:36:56 | LinusN | delYsid: a lot of work, i'm afraid |
| 14:37:15 | delYsid | If I want to just announce moves, is it still that much? |
| 14:37:20 | LinusN | there is no support for voice in the plugins |
| 14:37:33 | LinusN | so you have to implement that first |
| 14:37:43 | delYsid | so plugins can not even call the voice_id functions? |
| 14:38:31 | LinusN | nope |
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| 14:38:54 | delYsid | damn! |
| 14:39:08 | delYsid | I was afraid the voice-enabling would be half-hearted :-( |
| 14:39:34 | LinusN | well, it shouldn't be too hard to add support for voicing numbers and letters |
| 14:39:46 | LinusN | for announcing chess moves |
| 14:40:19 | bluebrother | Nico_P: just returned |
| 14:40:29 | * | Llorean wouldn't call Rockbox's voice support at all half-hearted... |
| 14:40:41 | Nico_P | bluebrother: ah, I was trying to debug this myself, but haven't been very successful |
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| 14:40:49 | pixelma | someone started to write a talking sudoku but unfortunately IIRC he didn't post something to the tracker |
| 14:40:53 | LinusN | but we really need to find a good approach for voice in plugins in general |
| 14:41:01 | Nico_P | bluebrother: only thing I know is that it's in InstallTalkWindow::setDeviceSettings |
| 14:41:09 | LinusN | delYsid: "half-hearted"? |
| 14:41:23 | Nico_P | bluebrother: at least I'm almost sure of that |
| 14:41:45 | delYsid | Llorean: Sorry, I partly work in the accessibility field, I guess I have different standards :-) |
| 14:41:53 | bluebrother | hmm. What have you selected for encoder / tts settings? |
| 14:42:01 | Nico_P | bluebrother: nothing |
| 14:42:05 | ddalton | Why can't we just put the talk functions in plugin.h and then call them in our plugins? |
| 14:42:16 | LinusN | ddalton: more or less, yes |
| 14:42:20 | Llorean | delYsid: Considering that nearly the full functionality of *Rockbox* is available, and it's more or less the commonly highly sight-dependent plugins that aren't, I still don't see it as half-hearted. |
| 14:42:21 | bluebrother | does the crash happen if you select something in the settings first? |
| 14:42:39 | ddalton | I was talking to stephane about this the guy who wrote p6159 and he was interested in making a stop watch plugin talk. |
| 14:42:41 | bluebrother | I suspect this is caused by some empty config values ... |
| 14:42:44 | LinusN | ddalton: but the voice files are created from the lang files, and plugins don't use them |
| 14:42:54 | B4gder | ddalton: we can, but we need to deal with voice snippets for plugins in a sensible way so that we don't have to load snippest for 40 plugins unconditionally |
| 14:43:31 | ddalton | So could we rewrite the talk functions so it loads for example english-pluginname.voice? |
| 14:43:35 | Llorean | B4gder: Couldn't plugins have their own .voice files? |
| 14:43:37 | LinusN | delYsid: please bear in mind that rockbox is in no way an accessibility project |
| 14:43:44 | B4gder | ddalton / Llorean: yes! |
| 14:43:44 | delYsid | Llorean: dont get me wrong, its great that what works works, but if you (as me) depend on it as your sole way of output, you see it in a different light :-) |
| 14:44:12 | Llorean | delYsid: Really? What core functionality of playback are you finding difficult to use? Have you posted a feature request for it? |
| 14:44:12 | delYsid | I am a coder, I'd like to easily write myself a plugin that talsk to me. If that doesnt work, I feel its kind of not really there :-) |
| 14:44:29 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I typed some things in the executable textboxes and now it doesn't crash |
| 14:44:37 | Llorean | delYsid: You have to remember, plugins often aren't maintained at all. It's not voice that's half-hearted, it's plugins in general. |
| 14:44:49 | bluebrother | Nico_P: ok, I'll try to use some better defaults. |
| 14:45:02 | delYsid | Llorean: ok, we can agree on that then :-) |
| 14:45:02 | ddalton | If I add the talk functions to plugin.h and then make it load a separate voice file and then could I just call the talk functions in my plugins? |
| 14:45:03 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I think what's needed is a check |
| 14:45:13 | bluebrother | yep, I think that too. |
| 14:45:16 | ddalton | if I could I might have a go later on tomorrow |
| 14:45:50 | Nico_P | bluebrother: when the crash occured, profile was "" |
| 14:46:04 | LinusN | ddalton: the question is if we want separate voice files or not |
| 14:46:15 | bluebrother | funny think is that it doesn't crash for me −− I just get a "path to encoder is wrong" when trying to start generation. |
| 14:46:18 | Nico_P | bluebrother: (I added a debug output right after line 136) |
| 14:46:31 | Llorean | delYsid: But part of the problem is that it's entirely a volunteer effort. So if it's half-hearted, it's because the people who actually want it aren't doing it, more than anything. :) |
| 14:46:50 | ddalton | LinusN: the voice file will be very big if it is just one. If you just want one for all the plugins my guess it would be over 4 mb. |
| 14:47:01 | Llorean | delYsid: That being said, I'm sure plenty of people would like voice in plugins where it's suitable. |
| 14:47:22 | Nico_P | bluebrother: yes, funny, now my "executable" boxes are emty again but no crash |
| 14:47:24 | Llorean | ddalton: Many of the plugins are unusable even with voice, anyway. |
| 14:47:24 | ddalton | anyway stuff like the text editor won't be able to talk. |
| 14:47:33 | bluebrother | does it show the "invalid profile" string before it crashes? |
| 14:47:35 | ddalton | anyway got to go |
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| 14:48:18 | Nico_P | bluebrother: something I might not have said is that it crashes before even showing the dialog |
| 14:48:25 | Nico_P | as soon as I clisk the button |
| 14:48:44 | bluebrother | ah. Interesting. |
| 14:49:08 | Nico_P | bluebrother: it crashes somewhere in InstallTalkWindow::setDeviceSettings and prints "ASSERT failure in QSettings: "empty key", file io/qsettings.cpp, line 235" |
| 14:49:20 | bluebrother | you're on linux, right? |
| 14:49:23 | Nico_P | yes |
| 14:49:55 | Nico_P | the empty key is most probably "ttspreset" |
| 14:50:25 | bluebrother | hmm. An empty key should result in an empty string |
| 14:50:57 | Nico_P | bluebrother: err no actually, the result of ttspreset being empty is that "profile" is an empty string |
| 14:51:22 | Nico_P | but then "devices->value(profile, tr("Invalid TTS profile!")).toString())" probably fails because of that |
| 14:51:54 | bluebrother | Nico_P: does this change help? http://www.pastebin.ca/676809 |
| 14:52:29 | Nico_P | bluebrother: the thing is that now the crash doesn't happen anymore |
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| 14:52:49 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I'd need to clear my config |
| 14:53:19 | bluebrother | I deleted my config too but can't reproduce −− really strange. Maybe it's related to your Qt version? I'm on 4.3.0 here. |
| 14:53:47 | Nico_P | where's the config ? |
| 14:53:59 | bluebrother | ~/.config/rockbox.org/RockboxUtility.ini |
| 14:54:53 | Nico_P | well when I remove that file the crash reappears |
| 14:55:03 | Nico_P | how do I know my qt version ? |
| 14:55:19 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I'll test your patch now |
| 14:55:30 | bluebrother | just use the "About Qt" box |
| 14:55:50 | Nico_P | it says 4.3.0 |
| 14:56:04 | bluebrother | hmm. Really strange. |
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| 14:57:15 | * | low_light just sent out a "Ladies and Gentleman" email |
| 14:57:18 | low_light | :) |
| 14:57:26 | B4gder | yay! |
| 14:57:31 | bluebrother | cool :) |
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| 14:58:33 | * | aliask refreshes his inbox repeatedly |
| 14:58:41 | bluebrother | aliask: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-08/0447.shtml |
| 14:59:00 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I made the changes from your patch and now it doesn't crash and it says invalid profile in the dialog |
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| 14:59:15 | scorche | so how/when would be a good time to make this site live?...i know jdgordon has a patch that breaks themes that should likely go in svn before the themes site to make updating easier |
| 14:59:15 | bluebrother | Nico_P: ok, then I'll commit that change. |
| 14:59:24 | linuxstb | low_light: Nice work. Is there much left to do on the c200? |
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| 14:59:50 | linuxstb | low_light: Also, what will the install procedure be? Is there going to be a need to update sansapatcher? |
| 14:59:56 | * | petur shows also interest in the song low_light played :) |
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| 15:00:28 | Nico_P | bluebrother: FWIW, somehow your patch refused to apply |
| 15:00:37 | B4gder | recorded in Sweden, how swell ;-) |
| 15:00:40 | low_light | I spent 2 days trying to figure out why the i2c wouldn't work on the c200 with the address in the addr used in the OF (0x8c). The e200 uses 0x46... |
| 15:00:55 | pixelma | low_light: congratulations! :) |
| 15:00:56 | Nico_P | scorche: what's the patch ? |
| 15:01:01 | low_light | then it hit me 0x8c = 2*0x46 |
| 15:01:13 | scorche | Nico_P: not sure...something to do with icons, i think |
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| 15:01:17 | bluebrother | Nico_P: hmm. Well, if it fixes it that's ok for me ;-) |
| 15:01:40 | bluebrother | low_light: did you also post to rockbox-dev? |
| 15:02:04 | low_light | for whatever reason there is an addr conversion in rockbox. |
| 15:02:06 | pixelma | hmm... maybe I need to draw another svg... |
| 15:02:17 | B4gder | pixelma: go go go ;-) |
| 15:02:37 | aliask | Speaking of svg's I have one for the gigabeat S |
| 15:02:38 | Llorean | Are there two different versions of the c200 (ie, is there a c200R? Do I need to worry about purchasing one if I decide to later)? |
| 15:02:46 | low_light | linuxstb: the buttons need some work & not all the lcd features are enabled |
| 15:02:53 | Llorean | I frequently see c200s very cheap at best buy |
| 15:03:19 | Soap | how similar is a C100 series? Would you like one to find out? |
| 15:03:28 | Zagor | Llorean: yes, there is a radio and non-radio version |
| 15:03:31 | B4gder | low_light: did you try the microsd slot of the c200 yet? |
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| 15:03:45 | * | bluebrother adds another fixed issue to the list at RockboxUtilityQt :) |
| 15:04:03 | Nico_P | B4gder: you're blogging like mad! :) |
| 15:04:08 | Llorean | Zagor: Is this true in the US, or is that like the e200s in Europe, where the US just gets the +radio one? |
| 15:04:10 | B4gder | hehe |
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| 15:04:29 | low_light | linuxstb: I'm not really sure how the e200 install works to say what needs to be done to sansapatcher |
| 15:04:31 | aliask | bluebrother: I noticed a crash when exiting Rbutilqt after applying a language change (win32 binary from wiki) |
| 15:04:39 | Zagor | Llorean: I don't know. I just know there are two versions available here in Sweden. |
| 15:04:43 | Llorean | Zagor: Okay, thanks |
| 15:04:46 | bluebrother | for anyone interested, I added icons to the device seletion list. Using the scaled svgs looks pretty poor due to the scaling. |
| 15:04:57 | Nico_P | B4gder: your blog was the place I learnt about the latest SiS OOXML news, so thanks |
| 15:05:09 | Nico_P | very good news |
| 15:05:10 | Llorean | low_light: Well, does the c200 have the hidden disk partition that the e200 has, or do you simply copy over an mi4 and have it loaded to an unknown (as of yet) place? |
| 15:05:10 | B4gder | Llorean: I would assume it's a EU/US thing as it seems there's some customs thing for FM tuners here |
| 15:05:17 | preglow | low_light: ooh, nice music |
| 15:05:19 | bluebrother | aliask: will check. |
| 15:05:23 | low_light | Soap: I think the c100 series is completely different. But someone would need to pop it open |
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| 15:05:25 | Llorean | B4gder: I'm more worried about a version I can't install on at all, than missing radio. :) |
| 15:05:31 | B4gder | Nico_P: ;-) you're welcome! |
| 15:05:31 | preglow | now, let the next one be "killing in the name of" please :P |
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| 15:05:52 | preglow | -of |
| 15:05:55 | Llorean | B4gder: I see 2gb c200s for $50 at best buy often enough that I'm almost *certain* if I'm in there looking for something else, I might walk out with another Rockbox. |
| 15:06:00 | Soap | low_light: how about I pop one open, scan it, and send it to you if interested? |
| 15:06:01 | petur | preglow: do we have the same taste in drinks (beer) as well as music ? |
| 15:06:30 | B4gder | Llorean: yes, every true hacker needs one rockbox target for every finger |
| 15:06:39 | preglow | petur: i wouldn't know, i like almost all music |
| 15:06:40 | Llorean | It's a sad, sad addiction. |
| 15:06:41 | B4gder | amiconn has many fingers |
| 15:06:44 | B4gder | :-) |
| 15:06:53 | B4gder | and linusn and linuxstb... |
| 15:06:58 | preglow | right now i'm listening to latin jazz :> |
| 15:07:03 | low_light | Llorean: it has the hidden partion. Hold on + rec + insert usb. Then copy the "firmware.mi4" |
| 15:07:18 | LinusN | B4gder: i'm on to the toes now :-) |
| 15:07:32 | B4gder | low_light: we'd just need a dump of the hidden partition then I guess to verify that it is made like the e200 ones |
| 15:07:35 | Llorean | low_light: Is the "hidden" partition simply an "empty" partition (you can see it from the PC if you look at the partition layout)? |
| 15:08:11 | B4gder | coffee! |
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| 15:10:56 | low_light | Llorean: the hidden partition only shows up when you do Hold+rec+usb. Rockbox also sees it during disk_init(). |
| 15:12:21 | low_light | B4gder: I don't have a msd card to test...yet ;) |
| 15:12:25 | Llorean | low_light: On the e200 we can see two partitions on the Sansa device, one marked as empty, and writing to it directly (dd for example) is possible. |
| 15:12:29 | fm2 | How can calculate the number of objects that fit in a buffer of size N? The buffer will then be used as an array. N / sizeof(obj) isn't correct since there might be element alignment. Should I use that as the start value and go down until &buf[n] ist still ok? |
| 15:12:37 | fm2 | *can I |
| 15:12:50 | Llorean | Sansapatcher injects the Rockbox bootloader into it, leaving the original firmware there, so that dual boot is possible without having to create a merged .mi4 file |
| 15:13:47 | fm2 | I mean if &buf[n] is in the buffer and &buf[n+1] is not then n+1 elems fit in. |
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| 15:14:41 | fm2 | This should take the alignments into account. Or are there other caveats? |
| 15:16:11 | low_light | Llorean: it's most likely the same as the e200. I will dump the partition for others to examine. |
| 15:16:47 | DerPapst | nice work low_light :) |
| 15:17:33 | Llorean | low_light: It sounds like you use what we call "recovery mode" on the e200. A 16mb fake partition that you can copy a .mi4 or bootloader to (or an empty sansa.fmt file if you wish to reformat) and have it update the 'firmware partition' or flash. |
| 15:17:47 | low_light | dual boot would be nice...it's a pain to copy the OF back to update rockbox |
| 15:17:59 | LinusN | fm2: sizeof(obj) includes alignment |
| 15:19:34 | fm2 | LinusN: so just buf_size / sizeof(...) should be enough? |
| 15:19:43 | LinusN | yes |
| 15:19:52 | fm2 | LinusN: good! Thanks |
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| 15:21:17 | low_light | Llorean: yes. it's the recovery mode. |
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| 15:24:17 | low_light | B4gder: there must be different mi4 keys for the c200. I had to update to the latest OF bootloader to get it to accept the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 15:25:26 | low_light | B4gder: and Rockbox and mi4code won' t decrypt the newest OF firmware. |
| 15:26:14 | bluebrother | LinusN: regarding the crash you mentioned yesterday, do you need to use a proxy for connecting to the net? |
| 15:27:06 | low_light | B4gder: zefie has a bunch of firmware revsisions http://zefie.com/files/PMP/sansa/c200/ but I don't know how to extract the keys |
| 15:30:16 | LinusN | bluebrother: yes |
| 15:30:43 | bluebrother | hmm. I have the impression that it's related. |
| 15:32:39 | low_light | Llorean: at Best Buy the there was no "c200R" model, but they did say something about being compatible with the Best Buy music store. |
| 15:33:40 | low_light | However the c200 series is also at Target and Wal-mart for probably cheaper |
| 15:36:02 | B4gder | low_light: do the firmware packages contain the bl.rom (or equivalent) files as well? |
| 15:36:45 | low_light | yes...pribootLoader.rom |
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| 15:37:39 | B4gder | low_light: any particular mi4 version you want the key for? |
| 15:38:25 | linuxstb | Is the c200 older or newer than the e200? |
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| 15:39:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: I believe it's slightly newer. |
| 15:40:11 | * | linuxstb tries to spot the differences with the e200 - is the LCD smaller? |
| 15:40:16 | low_light | B4gder: how about the 1.01.06 |
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| 15:41:17 | low_light | linuxstb: lcd is 132x80 |
| 15:41:33 | DerPapst | that's tiny.... |
| 15:42:00 | linuxstb | low_light: So it's used in landscape mode? |
| 15:42:11 | * | DerPapst is too much used to 320x240 :P |
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| 15:42:21 | DerPapst | linuxstb: yes |
| 15:42:22 | low_light | the unit itself is about 3 x 1.25 x 0.5 inches |
| 15:43:29 | bluebrother | hmm, there is something broken with the "mail list activity" −− the gentlemen mail links to the last reply but the "first" to the wrong thread (the gentlemen-mail regarding the ipods) |
| 15:43:43 | low_light | The lcd is not the greatest...poor contrast |
| 15:43:49 | Soap | I'm picking up a C140 in an hour ($20). |
| 15:44:10 | Soap | I'll scan it, and make it avaliable to any developer interested after this weekend. |
| 15:45:08 | LinusN | bluebrother: that's because low_light didn't compose a new email, but instead replied to the last gentlemen thread |
| 15:45:28 | LinusN | (against the mailing list etiquette) |
| 15:45:38 | low_light | Soap: it might be easier to look and see if the firmware are mi4-type |
| 15:45:48 | bluebrother | really? It shows in a new thread in the overview (following the "thread" link on that mail view) |
| 15:46:13 | low_light | LinusN: it was a new email, just the same title |
| 15:46:26 | LinusN | then i apologize |
| 15:46:27 | Soap | I'll do that too. But I didn't think until you said so that the .mi4 = PortaPlayer doesn't it. |
| 15:46:38 | LinusN | thunderbird sorts it in the last thread |
| 15:46:55 | Soap | thunderbird has an option to "assume" threads based upon subject line. |
| 15:47:06 | LinusN | my bad then |
| 15:47:37 | bluebrother | google mail does similar (and there's no way to turn that off :( |
| 15:48:48 | LinusN | Soap: would that be the "strict_threading" setting? |
| 15:49:31 | LinusN | nope |
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| 15:51:14 | B4gder | low_light: I'll need to patch mi4code a bit, so it'll take me a little while |
| 15:51:20 | B4gder | as I' off in a few minutes |
| 15:52:12 | B4gder | I bounced it to mrh to see if he has a few minutes off |
| 15:54:07 | low_light | Thanks. |
| 15:54:24 | B4gder | I estimate it to be a pretty easy fix |
| 15:58:03 | elinenbe_work | B4gder: you know what else could be on the front page? The wiki updates table as well... |
| 15:58:16 | B4gder | indeed |
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| 15:58:54 | LinusN | busy front page indeed :-) |
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| 16:00:13 | Zagor | maybe we should shrink some parts |
| 16:00:26 | petur | company drink! |
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| 16:00:46 | LinusN | we should move some of the news to the "Older news" |
| 16:00:51 | Zagor | yeah |
| 16:01:46 | LinusN | also, i think the list of supported targets should be moved to a separate page |
| 16:02:07 | LinusN | for some reason, people don't find it when it's on the front page |
| 16:02:24 | | Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) |
| 16:02:40 | LinusN | it seems people generally don't expect vital info to be on the front page |
| 16:03:31 | elinenbe_work | LinusN: I know what you mean. People don't see what's right in front of them. |
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| 16:03:41 | LinusN | it could be moved to a separate link in the side menu, under "Documentation", we could call it "Supported players" |
| 16:03:44 | elinenbe_work | LinusN: silly rabbits... |
| 16:04:05 | LinusN | elinenbe_work: it's really amazing |
| 16:04:14 | elinenbe_work | elinenbe_work: one thing I think should be done (maybe I'll head it up?) is a nicer defualt look on all players. |
| 16:04:32 | Llorean | LinusN, Bagder_: There's some debate on whether flyspray #6920 should go in. Markun seems to be left alone in objecting (other Gigabeat devs did in the past, but they've wandered off). |
| 16:04:33 | LinusN | it also seems like people don't expect the information to be correct either |
| 16:05:12 | elinenbe_work | if you go to the wiki page about rockbox mentions... every one says how it looks awful at first. There really is no reason to use the recorder default on all players. Especially something like the gigabeat or ipod video. |
| 16:05:27 | Llorean | I want to commit the patch, as I think it both improves one-handed use (well, one-thumb use) and at the same time brings the navigation function more similar to targets with equivalent face buttons. The only real reason for keeping it, afaik, is "it's more familiar to those who used the OF" |
| 16:05:58 | LinusN | Llorean: i agree with you, but only because i never used the gigabeat OF |
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| 16:06:32 | Llorean | I know there's been debate on "consistency vs efficiency" but in my opinion this brings both anyway. |
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| 16:06:41 | Soap | the gigabeat OF is a perfect contrast to Rockbox. It is eyecandy over functionality. |
| 16:06:53 | elinenbe_work | the gigabeat OF is crap. |
| 16:07:36 | LinusN | elinenbe_work: i agree about the default theme |
| 16:08:03 | Llorean | Isn't there a patch to set iCatcher as default? |
| 16:08:57 | XavierGr | I think there is one that linuxstb made |
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| 16:08:58 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, I made one months ago (about 3 default-theme debates ago) |
| 16:09:03 | LinusN | the only issue would be if the user hasn't installed the font pack |
| 16:09:16 | Llorean | LinusN: We can include the iCatcher font with the official SVN build perhaps? |
| 16:09:24 | XavierGr | oh and yes I agree that 6920 should be commited for consistency reasons |
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| 16:09:58 | linuxstb | Llorean: That's going to need build-system tweaking. It will also be target-dependent... |
| 16:10:11 | LinusN | Llorean: i believe there are still many places where the sysfont is expected to be 8 pixels tall, and also fixed width |
| 16:10:22 | Llorean | LinusN: I didn't mean to replace the sysfont. |
| 16:10:25 | bluebrother | Llorean: why not move all themes to an extras package which includes the fonts as well? |
| 16:10:39 | Llorean | LinusN: Just have a more minimal selection of "Rockbox core fonts" that go with every build. |
| 16:10:45 | LinusN | ah, of course |
| 16:10:46 | Llorean | Then maybe add some more of Rasher's fonts to the fonts extras package. |
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| 16:10:56 | linuxstb | bluebrother: That makes it even harder for us to set a default theme. If Rockbox is booted without the theme/font pack, it will reset itself to the default. |
| 16:11:01 | Llorean | bluebrother: We still need one default theme, though, and its "necessary" font(s) |
| 16:11:31 | bluebrother | well, how about a way to set some sensible defaults using rbutil? |
| 16:11:32 | LinusN | besides, i'm not really fond of the icatcher theme |
| 16:11:55 | LinusN | i'd like a more "mainstream" look for the icons |
| 16:11:58 | bluebrother | i.e. provide some "general ipod user" profile and make that require the extras package |
| 16:12:47 | LinusN | i would really like a themable status bar |
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| 16:13:23 | LinusN | many wps:es emulate a status bar, but i'd like the status bar to look the same in all screens |
| 16:13:29 | * | linuxstb predicts that this conversation will end up with people not liking iCatcher enough to make it the default |
| 16:13:35 | elinenbe_work | Llorean: agreed. I think this should be the default theme: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsIpod5g/Night.png (hehe) |
| 16:14:04 | Llorean | linuxstb: I'm the one who suggested it should be default right now. I'm pretty sure I'm the only person here who actively dislikes it, aren't I? |
| 16:14:16 | XavierGr | point is that we will never agree on the default, so there must be a process of picking up one |
| 16:14:26 | Llorean | LinusN: There's a color version of our iconset in the wiki, I believe. They're still tiny, but a wee bit nicer looking |
| 16:14:35 | Llorean | LinusN: There's also ports of tango and other icon themes in various sizes that look very nice. |
| 16:15:39 | LinusN | yeah, but we still lack a mechanism for customizing the status bar |
| 16:16:02 | `sam` | elinenbe_work, that theme you suggested... can you read anything on that? |
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| 16:17:19 | webguest44 | hi could someone give me a little help with rockbox ? |
| 16:17:36 | webguest44 | i have successfully installed rockbox |
| 16:17:52 | webguest44 | if i reboot the player windows says unkonwn device |
| 16:18:04 | webguest44 | i expect that i might need a special driver ? |
| 16:18:13 | webguest44 | is there anyone on the rockbox site ? |
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| 16:18:39 | webguest44 | i.e. a windows driver identifieng the rock box ? |
| 16:18:43 | elinenbe_work | `sam`: I was just kidding |
| 16:18:51 | linuxstb | webguest44: What kind of mp3 player do you have (Archos, iriver, ipod, ...) ? |
| 16:19:08 | webguest44 | its a sansa 200 version |
| 16:19:15 | `sam` | webguest44: it should detect it as like a usb drive or something like that... have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back |
| 16:19:25 | webguest44 | yes i did |
| 16:19:34 | webguest44 | it just states unkown device |
| 16:19:37 | linuxstb | webguest44: You need to start the sansa with the original firmware in order for usb transfers to work - Rockbox doesn't implement usb yet. |
| 16:19:47 | `sam` | oh well nm, linuxstb is helping you and would know more than me |
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| 16:20:07 | webguest44 | ok thats fine |
| 16:20:31 | low_light | I had a look a while ago at customizing the status bar and I think it |
| 16:20:51 | low_light | 's possible ot use the existing wps token system |
| 16:21:04 | `sam` | elinenbe_work, oh ok, my bad, i didn't even notice the (hehe) at the end :) |
| 16:21:59 | linuxstb | low_light: jdGordon and Nico_P were also talking about extending the wps token system for the recording and FM screens yesterday. |
| 16:22:32 | morrijr | low_light: would you add a token along the lines of <insert menu here - x lines high>? Then you could put the status bar on the bottom too... |
| 16:23:04 | morrijr | or as well if you like :) |
| 16:24:20 | * | Llorean 'Oops'-es |
| 16:24:37 | Llorean | Note to self: Double check as to which .patch file you applied. :) |
| 16:26:22 | low_light | morrijr: Things like that might be possible if/when "viewports" become a reality |
| 16:26:43 | morrijr | low_light: humm, was just thinking that |
| 16:27:44 | LinusN | viewports is the holy graal of gui customization :-) |
| 16:27:57 | BigBambi | Llorean: Thanks very much :) I feel so proud... |
| 16:28:21 | Llorean | BigBambi: I made a change to it. |
| 16:28:32 | BigBambi | What is different? |
| 16:28:36 | Llorean | You put "Pause" on the power button, I put it on 'A' which is nominally the 'Play' button anyway |
| 16:28:55 | Llorean | Or, maybe not you, whoever last synced it at least |
| 16:28:58 | * | amiconn notices the c250 'ladies and gentlemen' mail :) |
| 16:29:29 | Llorean | BigBambi: Power is still "Stop", "Select" leaves the WPS, and "A" pauses playback. |
| 16:29:39 | BigBambi | That's how I had it |
| 16:29:48 | BigBambi | Maybe the last person to sync it changed it |
| 16:29:58 | BigBambi | Bit odd that |
| 16:30:06 | BigBambi | All I did was swap A and select |
| 16:30:09 | Llorean | The first version of the patch shows a swapping of Power and Select, rather than A and Select. |
| 16:30:20 | Llorean | I think the last person to to sync it reverted it to that. |
| 16:30:25 | BigBambi | Aha |
| 16:30:43 | BigBambi | I started like that then changed through other button changes and discussion |
| 16:30:46 | Llorean | Either way, it's A and Select |
| 16:30:57 | BigBambi | So I think what you have put in is what I wanted (and all bar mau |
| 16:31:02 | Llorean | And the manual is updated to reflect this. |
| 16:31:08 | BigBambi | oops - maybe the first patch did |
| 16:31:13 | BigBambi | Anyway, cheers :) |
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| 16:49:27 | Nico_P | Llorean: I think you forgot to add BigBambi to the CREDITS file |
| 16:49:54 | Llorean | Good point |
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| 16:52:12 | Febs | Llorean: will you post an announcement to the forums and the user list about the change of button assignments? |
| 16:53:02 | Nico_P | That's definitly MajorChanged material too ! |
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| 16:53:23 | webguest44 | hmm i need again help with my sansa |
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| 16:53:35 | webguest44 | i would like to play AAC files |
| 16:53:47 | linuxstb | What's the problem? |
| 16:53:57 | webguest44 | i see the files |
| 16:54:08 | webguest44 | but after pressing play they dont start |
| 16:54:14 | webguest44 | i choose from file menu |
| 16:54:26 | webguest44 | mp3 is working right now |
| 16:54:30 | linuxstb | What extension do they have? |
| 16:54:33 | webguest44 | aac |
| 16:54:42 | webguest44 | they play on the computer |
| 16:54:48 | webguest44 | in winamp |
| 16:54:58 | linuxstb | That probably means they're raw aac files - Rockbox doesn't support that. They need to be in an mp4 container - normally called .m4a or .mp4 |
| 16:55:16 | webguest44 | hmm ok, just renaming them dosent work ? |
| 16:55:21 | webguest44 | i need to recode ? |
| 16:55:44 | Llorean | Febs: I've sent to the user mailing list now. Do you think it really needs a forums post in Announcements? It seems a little minor for that. |
| 16:56:08 | linuxstb | You need to put them inside an mp4 container. I think mp4box can do that for you - http://www.videohelp.com/tools/mp4box |
| 16:56:24 | linuxstb | (but I've never used it, so can't help apart from to point you at its documentation) |
| 16:56:32 | webguest44 | ah ok thats perfect |
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| 16:57:05 | linuxstb | If you search the Rockbox forums, you may find discussion of it - I'm sure you're not the first to ask about raw aac files. |
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| 16:58:58 | * | Llorean goes ahead and posts an announcement. |
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| 17:08:00 | Nico_P | in TargetStatus, shouldn't the iriver iFP be moved to "new ports" ? |
| 17:09:35 | Llorean | Nico_P: Possible even Inactive. |
| 17:09:59 | `sam` | any recommendations for which TTS engine to use? |
| 17:10:21 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I moved it to new ports. |
| 17:10:31 | Llorean | `sam`: Windows or Linux? |
| 17:10:45 | `sam` | linux |
| 17:11:16 | Llorean | `sam`: My first suggestion is to use espeak with the mbrola voices |
| 17:11:47 | Llorean | If you can't get that working, espeak on its own tends to offer a somewhat metallic, but well enunciated and pronounced voice, while festival sounds a bit more human but seems to have pronunciation problems (to me) |
| 17:12:25 | `sam` | i've used festival and flite on my computer before, never tried espeak |
| 17:12:27 | Nico_P | Llorean: maybe a link to tha announcement and/or more detail about the change would be nice in MajorChanges, esp. since it's now available as an RSS feed |
| 17:13:04 | `sam` | i was just wondering if festival was slow when used in rockbox also, because sometimes it takes a few seconds |
| 17:13:36 | Llorean | `sam`: It doesn't matter which you use on the PC, you create pre-recorded voices for Rockbox, so speed is always equal |
| 17:13:59 | `sam` | ok thanks Llorean |
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| 17:37:16 | * | GodEater moves one posting closer to overtaking saratoga in the stats... |
| 17:38:24 | Llorean | What? Where? |
| 17:38:31 | GodEater | on the forums |
| 17:38:41 | Llorean | It says he's got 1050 to your 987 |
| 17:38:58 | GodEater | yep, and it's said 1050 for him for the last couple of days |
| 17:39:05 | GodEater | so I am in fact one posting closer... |
| 17:39:17 | GodEater | not within "one posting" yet |
| 17:39:19 | GodEater | but getting there |
| 17:39:22 | Llorean | Ooooh |
| 17:39:29 | Llorean | Misread your first statement |
| 17:39:42 | GodEater | I think you're well out of sight of me though :) |
| 17:40:26 | Llorean | I don't think I'll ever quite reach 10% though |
| 17:41:17 | GodEater | no - that would be quite hard work |
| 17:41:27 | GodEater | and it's nothing something I'd personally be striving for either |
| 17:41:40 | Llorean | I'm not |
| 17:41:52 | GodEater | glad to hear it |
| 17:41:53 | Llorean | I answer posts as they come up, but I keep watching to see if I'm getting closer or further once I realized I was near it. |
| 17:42:21 | Llorean | The further I get from it, the better actually |
| 17:42:42 | Llorean | It means more people helping each other out quickly, and less cases of me spending twenty posts going back and forth in one thread. |
| 17:44:14 | GodEater | wonder what your post count would be if we take out all the "Please read the posting guidelines" ones you make ;) |
| 17:45:40 | Gunrun | guys I have a problem with a theme, on the site I am getting it off ( rockbox-themes.org) it looks a lot different to mine, with better icons and the like |
| 17:45:57 | Gunrun | is there a switch somewhere I need to use to turn on the new icons? |
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| 17:46:59 | Soap | C100 looks like C200 w/o SD slot. |
| 17:47:07 | Soap | I'll play with it more after work. |
| 17:47:47 | * | GodEater is a blithering idiot |
| 17:48:01 | Llorean | GodEater: That makes up a good thousand or so, I'm sure |
| 17:48:07 | GodEater | Llorean: hehehe |
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| 17:49:44 | * | GodEater goes to the pub |
| 17:52:30 | Gunrun | ok, so my database just finished building |
| 17:52:43 | Gunrun | now every song I play causes a crash after about 15 seconds of play time |
| 17:52:52 | Gunrun | anyone know what is going wrong, or how I can fix it? |
| 17:53:04 | linuxstb | ipod Nano? |
| 17:53:33 | Gunrun | 5.5g |
| 17:53:46 | Gunrun | it sort of makes a fssht noise and then crashes |
| 17:54:00 | linuxstb | Does the Apple firmware work OK? |
| 17:54:04 | Gunrun | yeah |
| 17:54:31 | webguest44 | Decoder using libfaad (from FAAD2) checked into SVN. Now running in realtime on the h120 and ipod targets, but could still do with further optimisation to reduce the boost level. |
| 17:54:45 | webguest44 | aac files should play |
| 17:54:57 | webguest44 | do i need to start an extra player for it ? |
| 17:55:11 | Llorean | webguest44: They have to be in MP4 containers. |
| 17:55:11 | webguest44 | or is it really to recode all files to mp4 container ? |
| 17:55:16 | Llorean | It's not recoding |
| 17:55:24 | webguest44 | ok recontainering |
| 17:55:30 | Llorean | It's like putting a DVD in a case. The DVD is still a DVD, it's just in a box now. |
| 17:55:39 | webguest44 | jup i understand |
| 17:55:41 | Llorean | AAC files should be in MP4 containers anyway, and most commonly are. |
| 17:55:44 | Llorean | So yes, you have to. |
| 17:55:46 | webguest44 | just a a diffrent framing |
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| 17:57:03 | Gunrun | gah this is frustrating |
| 17:57:25 | Llorean | Gunrun: Did you first install Rockbox today? |
| 17:57:29 | Gunrun | yes |
| 17:57:40 | Gunrun | I had some instructions from a friend on how to do it |
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| 17:57:58 | Gunrun | basically I installed the ipod bootloader thing, then built the database |
| 17:57:58 | Llorean | Gunrun: So, you didn't follow our manual? |
| 17:58:09 | Gunrun | I'll go do that then |
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| 17:58:36 | Gunrun | will I need to unflash the firmware, and start over? |
| 17:58:40 | Llorean | It's important you're using the most up to date files. Did you use ones downloaded from our site today, or ones your friend gave you or from somewhere else? |
| 17:58:46 | Llorean | You don't flash on the iPod, at all. |
| 17:58:49 | Gunrun | the ones from the site today |
| 17:58:56 | AlexMax | Hi, I'm having a problem with my installation of Rockbox on my 30G ipod video. I was playing music today and I cut the thing off before I went into a meeting. When I got out of the meeting, I tried to cut it on, but with no results. I got home, and have the thing plugged in for about 10 minutes now and there's still no signs of life. Did I just brick my ipod? |
| 17:58:57 | Gunrun | I mean put the bootloader on |
| 17:58:59 | Gunrun | not flashing it |
| 17:59:07 | Llorean | Gunrun: And you're using an official build, not a modified one from somewhere? |
| 17:59:12 | linuxstb | Gunrun: You installed the bootloader by running ipodpatcher.exe and then selecting "i" for install ? |
| 17:59:16 | Gunrun | from the main site |
| 17:59:27 | sbeh | [sansapatcher] Hi, I would like to build sansapatcher on my own, but it needs a .mi4-file, the files from http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html are too old, my firmware is 1.02.18E, how can i create a newer .mi4-file? |
| 17:59:28 | Gunrun | no, I had tried iPodLinux yesterday |
| 17:59:32 | Gunrun | and that gave me a bootloader |
| 17:59:36 | Gunrun | and I put uh... |
| 17:59:37 | Gunrun | one second |
| 17:59:52 | Gunrun | Rockbox @ (hd0,1)/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod in my loader.cfg |
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| 18:00:01 | AlexMax | Nevermind, turns out I was hitting the wrong button to turn it on >_< |
| 18:00:06 | AlexMax | sorry to bother |
| 18:00:11 | linuxstb | sbeh: The mi4 file is the Rockbox bootloader. It's available here - http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/ |
| 18:00:14 | AlexMax | great software btw \o/ |
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| 18:01:00 | linuxstb | Gunrun: The ipodlinux bootloader (at least some versions) are known to not be able to load Rockbox. You should try the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 18:01:06 | Gunrun | righto |
| 18:01:17 | Gunrun | how do I remove the ipodlinux bootloader? |
| 18:01:29 | Llorean | Just follow the Rockbox install instructions in the manual, and it'll replace it. |
| 18:01:33 | linuxstb | You don't need to - follow the Rockbox install instructions in the manual, and that will replace it... |
| 18:01:35 | Gunrun | ok |
| 18:01:36 | * | linuxstb types too slow |
| 18:01:42 | sbeh | linuxstb: ah ok, why do they all have to same name? |
| 18:01:50 | sbeh | linuxstb: and is this bootloader the uptodate-version? |
| 18:02:37 | linuxstb | sbeh: It's the latest released version, yes. It's not recommended to use untested (i.e. svn) bootloader (not even developers do), but you could build it yourself from svn if you really wanted to. |
| 18:02:56 | sbeh | linuxstb: ok. |
| 18:03:52 | linuxstb | Out of curiousity, is there a reason you want to build sansapatcher yourself? |
| 18:04:03 | Gunrun | linuxstb same issue |
| 18:04:13 | sbeh | linuxstb: i'm on freebsd |
| 18:04:25 | linuxstb | sbeh: OK - that's a good reason... |
| 18:05:08 | krazykit | sansapatcher won't work on freebsd's linux-compatability thing? |
| 18:05:10 | linuxstb | I'm not sure how well tested it is on freebsd, but it _should_ be OK. |
| 18:05:36 | sbeh | krazykit: the code has parts for freebsd |
| 18:05:46 | krazykit | ah. |
| 18:05:52 | sbeh | linuxstb: I did it already earlier, it works great :P |
| 18:06:45 | linuxstb | That's good - it's based on ipodpatcher (a very similar utility for ipods), and someone tested ipodpatcher on freebsd, so that's why it's OK. |
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| 18:09:18 | webguest44 | hmm ok i tryed to yamb aac to mp4 its not directly working oO |
| 18:11:46 | Gunrun | alright followed the install inscructions, am now rebuilding the database |
| 18:11:53 | Gunrun | I hope its sorted out now |
| 18:12:25 | Gunrun | would having a particularly large database cause the problem I am having? |
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| 18:18:43 | linuxstb | webguest44: Did you search the rockbox forums for help? |
| 18:20:56 | Gunrun | aha I can see the error! |
| 18:21:15 | Gunrun | it says "prefetch abort at D23265E8" |
| 18:22:13 | Llorean | Gunrun: Are you definitely using the Rockbox bootloader? No text at all until the Rockbox screen shows, no menu to select what to load? |
| 18:22:23 | Gunrun | yes |
| 18:22:39 | Gunrun | I can install it again if you want? |
| 18:23:20 | Llorean | You used the ipodpatcher.exe downloaded from download.rockbox.org, and not the one you'd used before? |
| 18:24:18 | Gunrun | yes |
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| 18:24:57 | Gunrun | yes |
| 18:25:04 | Gunrun | sorry, you quit out |
| 18:27:42 | Gunrun | http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=573493&postcount=3 shall I try this? |
| 18:28:06 | Gunrun | I mean I know it is on the IRiver forums, but still |
| 18:28:11 | Gunrun | as I said I am brand new to this |
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| 18:30:01 | pixelma | no, that should be something different. But I have a question for you: do you have a 30GB or a 60GB/80GB Ipod and what build did you install exactly? |
| 18:30:10 | Gunrun | its a 30gb one |
| 18:30:18 | Gunrun | and I got the latest build off the rockbox website |
| 18:30:22 | Gunrun | for the 30gb one |
| 18:30:36 | Gunrun | oh god maybe I didn't |
| 18:30:38 | Gunrun | lemme see |
| 18:31:08 | Gunrun | ok I'm an idiot |
| 18:31:15 | Gunrun | I got the 60/80 one |
| 18:31:34 | pixelma | try the 30GB then :) |
| 18:31:39 | Gunrun | I am doing now |
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| 18:31:57 | Gunrun | I hope I can go back to the linux one so I can use iBoy |
| 18:32:09 | Gunrun | the rockbox gb emulator isn't that fantastic to be honest |
| 18:32:52 | Gunrun | to the linux bootloader I mean |
| 18:33:02 | Llorean | Well, nobody who wants a better gameboy emulator actually works on it. |
| 18:33:11 | `sam` | yeah, but rockbox will play media files :) |
| 18:33:12 | Gunrun | well if I could code I would do it |
| 18:33:15 | Gunrun | but I can't |
| 18:33:25 | pixelma | and Rockbox is a music player in first place |
| 18:33:27 | Llorean | Ah, but if everyone just says "I can't" it'll never happen. |
| 18:33:35 | Llorean | If they say "I can't right now, but I'll work on learning" then it will one day |
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| 18:37:17 | Gunrun | is there a way to have rockbox running while its plugged into the PC? |
| 18:37:23 | Nimdae | i just don't see rockbox as a gaming platform >.> |
| 18:37:36 | Nimdae | Gunrun: yes, but you won't be able to access it from the pc |
| 18:37:56 | Gunrun | I don't care, I can boot into the standard firmware, just I listen to my iPod through my dock |
| 18:38:12 | Gunrun | and as it stands when I put it in the dock it boots into disk mode |
| 18:39:05 | Nimdae | press and hold the menu button, then connect it |
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| 18:40:12 | Gunrun | cheers |
| 18:40:50 | Gunrun | getting a USB device not recognised error but no worry |
| 18:41:48 | Nimdae | yeah, it does that |
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| 18:46:49 | NicoP | Domonoky: here ? |
| 18:48:59 | Gunrun | Yes! |
| 18:49:01 | Gunrun | It worked |
| 18:49:10 | Gunrun | cheers everyone that helped |
| 18:49:18 | webguest44 | webguest44: Did you search the rockbox forums for help? −−-> yes i did search |
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| 18:54:21 | NicoP | In case I don't get to come back here today... I'm using rbutilqt on windows right now with slow USB and the zip extracting freezes the app. It looks like it's crashed because the windows don't get repainted |
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| 18:55:10 | NicoP | oh damn forget that I just saw it has been fixed in SVN |
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| 18:55:50 | linuxstb | webguest44: You could try talking to Lear next time he's online - he's done a lot of work on the AAC codec in Rockbox. Apart from mp4box, my only other suggestion would be to see if foobar could convert for you. |
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| 19:06:13 | amiconn | The 'USB device not recognised' problem should be fixed asap imo |
| 19:07:46 | Gunrun | its probably a windows side bug |
| 19:07:51 | | Part NicoP |
| 19:07:52 | amiconn | nope |
| 19:07:57 | amiconn | It's a rockbox bug |
| 19:08:32 | Llorean | amiconn: With the existing USB code, couldn't we have it connect to the PC and remain inactive? |
| 19:08:41 | Llorean | When menu is held, that is. |
| 19:08:55 | amiconn | Fixing that bug is possible without using the usb stack at all |
| 19:09:07 | amiconn | Currently, we enable the usb controller just enough to detect usb |
| 19:09:44 | amiconn | However, if we detect usb and USB_POWER_BUTTON is held, we should *deactivate* the controller until unplug |
| 19:09:58 | Llorean | Can we detect unplug while it's inactive? |
| 19:10:03 | amiconn | Unplug can be detected via GPIO, without using the controller |
| 19:10:10 | Llorean | Aaah |
| 19:10:14 | Llorean | That'd probably fix the retry-issue too |
| 19:10:22 | amiconn | The controller is only needed to detect USB power only vs. real USB port |
| 19:10:33 | Llorean | Ah |
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| 19:11:02 | amiconn | And we could also save power by not activating the USB controller at boot, but only if we detect a plug-in via GPIO |
| 19:11:11 | Llorean | Sounds like a good idea too |
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| 19:15:24 | amiconn | I.e. (controller inactive) -> GPIO USB plug-in detect -> USB_POWER_BUTTON held ? just go to USB charging : (enable controller -> decected true USB ? go to USB mode : just go to USB charging) |
| 19:15:26 | * | linuxstb just realised why austriancoder could delete the usb_device_init code on the Sansa - it's run from the rockbox bootloader (but only for Sansa). |
| 19:15:52 | linuxstb | amiconn: I'll have a go at that now. |
| 19:16:27 | amiconn | And if we find the USB controller clock source bit in DEV_EN, we could save more power... |
| 19:17:04 | amiconn | Oh, in the last 'USB charging' case I forgot the (deactivate controller) step |
| 19:17:57 | amiconn | That should fix several issues at once. (1) 'USB device not recognised' (2) save power (3) remove the need to hold MENU for extended times |
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| 19:27:47 | Soap | has the usb controller always (as old as the PP ports) been enabled "just enough to detect USB", or is that a more modern developement? |
| 19:28:22 | Soap | I guess what I'm really asking is... "After said USB changes are made - is there believed to be enough change in power consumption to warrant another round of battery_bench tests?" |
| 19:28:32 | Llorean | Soap: I believe that was when we started differentiating between USB and wall-power |
| 19:28:39 | linuxstb | It's relatively recent - about 6 months or so ago. |
| 19:29:17 | Soap | That is when (what LL said) I assumed it happened, but I didn't want to assume... |
| 19:29:19 | linuxstb | It's based on the early work barrywardell did after MrH made the discovery that the USB controller was the same as the i.MX31 |
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| 19:32:16 | Soap | can't figure out how this Sansa C100 is held together. |
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| 19:36:44 | Nimdae | it was earlier than 6 months |
| 19:37:01 | Nimdae | i know that because it happened while i was at my last job over 9 months ago |
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| 19:38:34 | linuxstb | Nimdae: SVN is telling me it was 4 Feb 2007 |
| 19:38:58 | Soap | but can you trust that shady SVN character? |
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| 19:43:57 | Nimdae | weird |
| 19:46:06 | Nimdae | i could swear it was earlier |
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| 20:08:26 | jeeger | lol @ Soap |
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| 20:13:14 | Bjerrk | Hi.. What do i do if i wrecked the ipods partition table (and the partitions), and i get the "Use iTunes to restore iPod"-error when turnig the ipod on? |
| 20:15:27 | Bjerrk | Figured it out myself :P . fdisk did the trick |
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| 20:21:53 | Gunrun | is there a way to turn off the fade on pause? |
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| 20:25:30 | GodEater_ | Gunrun: yes, it's detailed in the manual |
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| 20:43:30 | GodEater_ | would it be too much to ask a mod to kick kubrick till he sorts his connection out and stops spamming the channel ? |
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| 20:48:01 | Gunrun | GodEater_ cheers, I dunno how I missed that |
| 20:48:15 | GodEater_ | :) |
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| 20:48:33 | GodEater_ | there's a lot to Rockbox. It can take a while to learn it all. |
| 20:48:46 | Gunrun | by the way I saw it advertised somewhere that rockbox did gapless playback? does it actually have it or does it just have crossfade? |
| 20:49:15 | GodEater_ | no it does gapless too |
| 20:49:32 | GodEater_ | you'll have to turn off crossfade to get it of course |
| 20:49:57 | Gunrun | hmm I can't find the word gapless anywhere in the manual |
| 20:50:08 | GodEater_ | Gunrun: that's because it's not optional |
| 20:50:13 | petur | :) |
| 20:50:24 | GodEater_ | it's ALWAYS there, you just can't hear it if you're crossfading... |
| 20:50:26 | Gunrun | so I turn off crossfade and gapless automatically comes on? |
| 20:50:27 | Gunrun | right |
| 20:50:30 | GodEater_ | yep |
| 20:50:41 | petur | if you do not like gapless, use the original firmware :p |
| 20:50:50 | Gunrun | well the original firmware has gapless too |
| 20:50:56 | Gunrun | I like gapless playback anyway |
| 20:51:19 | Gunrun | anyway I think rockbox is going to move to the top of the bootloader now I know it has gapless playback |
| 20:51:24 | GodEater_ | for true gapless mp3 playback, you need to use LAME as your encoder and use its gapless option when encoding |
| 20:51:42 | Llorean | GodEater_ Not quite |
| 20:51:42 | GodEater_ | vorbis and flac don't matter in that respect |
| 20:51:47 | GodEater_ | Llorean: no? |
| 20:51:49 | Llorean | LAME automatically adds the gapless info, I thought |
| 20:52:06 | petur | recent LAME versions IIRC |
| 20:52:11 | GodEater_ | Llorean: how can it ? you have to make sure it encodes the tracks in the right order I thought ? |
| 20:52:21 | Llorean | The gapless option is for actually splitting at frame ends rather than where the track ends, so it can play gaplessly even on players that don't recognize the LAME tags |
| 20:53:06 | Llorean | GodEater_: Nope. For Rockbox gapless, we use the LAME tags. Which means any wav, when converted to an MP3, has extra silence at the end because of the MP3 weakness, but LAME knows it's there, and lets us know with a tag. |
| 20:53:17 | Llorean | So we skip silence, but only the silence that MP3 adds due to its nature |
| 20:53:45 | GodEater_ | I'm 0.0001% more knowledgable |
| 20:54:11 | Llorean | If you use the gapless option, it actually splits in slightly different places, so that as long as you play the MP3s in order they'll be gapless, but if you play them out of order you'll get some problem bits where tracks are very slightly in the wrong file |
| 20:54:12 | petur | so that makes 2.0001% now :p |
| 20:54:28 | GodEater_ | petur: :P |
| 20:54:41 | Llorean | So the gapless option is necessary for say, the Archoses, but not really ideal for the other players. |
| 20:54:49 | GodEater_ | petur: you're generous to rate me that highly :) |
| 20:54:51 | Llorean | Just using a current version of LAME is good enough there. :) |
| 20:55:02 | * | petur blames the beer |
| 20:55:16 | Llorean | Assuming I understand the whole situation properly, but I *think* I do. |
| 20:55:23 | GodEater_ | Llorean: is that documented somewhere, because I've converted numerous dance albums now using that gapless option in the mistaken belief it was required :) |
| 20:55:57 | Llorean | GodEater_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GaplessHowTo |
| 20:56:46 | GodEater_ | I must have stupidly read the Archos bit |
| 20:56:51 | GodEater_ | what a dumbass |
| 20:57:16 | Llorean | Well, I'm not sure when the "correct" information was added for swcodec |
| 20:57:36 | Llorean | I believe now the same holds true to iTunes encoded AAC (they have similar tags to LAME MP3) but I'm not sure yet. |
| 20:57:57 | Llorean | I just stick to either flac or vorbis if I need gapless. :) |
| 20:58:19 | * | petur has no issues with mp3 gapless |
| 20:58:29 | GodEater_ | nor me |
| 20:58:45 | GodEater_ | I just appear to have taken steps which were unnecessary |
| 20:58:47 | Llorean | Well, I just stick to flac or vorbis anyway. ;) |
| 20:58:55 | GodEater_ | March this year is when it was clarified it seems |
| 20:59:04 | GodEater_ | I think I read it a while before that |
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| 21:03:56 | sansauser | Hey I just wanted to thank you for rockbox on my sansa e260, running awesomely. I am very glad about that I can set the volume lower than with the official firmware, because i mostly use my mp3 player to sleep. I hope you get enough response from sansa users! |
| 21:04:10 | sansauser | g2g cya l8er |
| 21:04:27 | * | petur waves |
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| 21:06:28 | desowin | yea, sansa OF firmware is crap, especially when it comes to volume - normal and high and very limited range |
| 21:09:49 | amiconn | Llorean: The -nogap option isn't needed for swcodec, but it doesn't hurt either (unless you can hear the track start being off by max. +/- 26 msec |
| 21:10:02 | Gunrun | is it just me or can my iPod go much much louder with this firmware? |
| 21:10:30 | amiconn | And btw, while the lame tag specifies where the track ends exactly within the last frame, the rest of that frame is not silence if you play it |
| 21:10:33 | Llorean | amiconn: Which is pretty unlikely in nearly all cases. |
| 21:10:45 | Llorean | The hearing the +/- 26 that is |
| 21:11:29 | * | amiconn does all gapless album mp3 encoding with -nogap, in order to have it compatible with both hwcodec and swcodec |
| 21:13:30 | amiconn | And afaik AAC does have the same framing problem (so much for the "advancedness") |
| 21:14:24 | Llorean | amiconn: Yeah, that's why iTunes uses gapless tags similar to LAME iiuc. |
| 21:14:49 | amiconn | vorbis and wma don't have that problem |
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| 21:28:10 | petur | I added a simple finction call (for backlight) to a plugin and now it gives me data abort at 48B20 which is somewhere in the core (?) |
| 21:28:36 | petur | *function |
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| 21:34:51 | hachi | I'm having troubles getting my ipod to charge with rockbox... If I supply Vcc and Ground on the USB lines, leave the D+ and D- lines unconnected, rockbox seems to ignore the power and not charge the battery |
| 21:35:23 | hachi | yeah, still draining from the battery |
| 21:35:34 | hachi | but if I reboot into the apple firmware, it charges just fine |
| 21:38:37 | hachi | if I connect D+ and D-, then for a moment I get to see the charging status flash into rockbox, and then I'm rebooting into disk mode... if I hold down menu for a while, it prevents the data line setups, but if I ever exit from that screen it sets up the data lines the next time the host OS probes them |
| 21:38:59 | hachi | which as far as I can tell is something linux likes to retry |
| 21:39:51 | hcs | I haven't played with things at the wire level, but I find that chargers that don't trigger disk mode don't show as charging, either |
| 21:40:08 | Llorean | Yep, my Nano charges without showing charging on the Griffin charger. |
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| 21:42:20 | hachi | maybe it was charging, but for the little bit of time I watched the battery meter it was dropping... went down 2% over the course of a few minutes while it was plugged in |
| 21:43:09 | hcs | it doesn't seem to charge over USB while in rockbox, only with independent chargers |
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| 21:43:28 | hcs | it may get a little current, but not enough to sustain it |
| 21:43:37 | hachi | what's an independant charger? |
| 21:43:53 | hachi | and I think it gets plenty of current, the apple firmware charges justs fine in the same wire setup |
| 21:44:12 | hcs | plugs into the wall |
| 21:44:19 | hcs | apple firmware also uses less current... |
| 21:44:46 | hachi | those chargers use the +5 and Ground lines in the USB cable... |
| 21:44:50 | hachi | it's the same wires |
| 21:45:21 | hcs | but not limited to the 500mA of USB, no? |
| 21:45:50 | hachi | but I'm charging on a real USB port right now, which means it's limited to the 500ma of USB |
| 21:45:55 | hachi | and it's saying 'charging' |
| 21:46:09 | hachi | I just have to hold down the menu button for like 60 seconds while linux times out |
| 21:46:47 | hcs | I don't know. |
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| 22:59:32 | Llorean | pixelma: I tried to make the post fairly clear, but I guess I should've included a "On all other screens, these buttons remain unchanged." |
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| 23:00:35 | pixelma | I also wondered if "WPS" is a known abbreviation (to him) that's why I added the last sentence |
| 23:01:19 | Llorean | I think he just missed it, I'm pretty sure he knows it. |
| 23:02:52 | pixelma | hmm... it was clear to me but then I could read the discussion here before |
| 23:11:36 | pixelma | Bagder_: you around? |
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| 23:22:54 | petur | for arm, does memcpy also require 32bit alignment or does it do byte access? |
| 23:23:16 | linuxstb | It does byte access |
| 23:23:33 | * | petur is puzzled by a crash in a puzzle :/ |
| 23:25:08 | petur | and enum is always stored ad 32bit? |
| 23:25:16 | petur | *as |
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| 23:26:03 | godess | hey |
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| 23:26:34 | godess | can anyone tell me how change the rockbox bootlogo before compiling? |
| 23:26:53 | Gunrun | is there a way to delete a track once it is on the iPod? |
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| 23:27:33 | Llorean | godess: Just edit the bmp file, or replace it. |
| 23:27:33 | Pro | hi |
| 23:27:41 | godess | i replaced it |
| 23:27:41 | Llorean | Gunrun: See the manual. |
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| 23:28:09 | godess | in /rockbox/apps/bitmaps/native |
| 23:28:13 | godess | it doesn't compile |
| 23:28:26 | linuxstb | What's the error? |
| 23:28:57 | godess | plugin.c:138: error: ‘gui_syncsplash’ undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 23:29:03 | godess | + many warnings |
| 23:29:23 | linuxstb | That's completely unrelated to changing the bmp - what other changes have you made to the source? |
| 23:29:31 | godess | nothing |
| 23:29:46 | godess | its svn |
| 23:30:05 | linuxstb | So "svn status" shows that the only modified file is that .bmp file? |
| 23:30:32 | linuxstb | (type "svn status" in the apps/ directory) |
| 23:31:52 | godess | wait |
| 23:32:06 | godess | please |
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| 23:32:36 | godess | i created it with gimp on windows, do i have to dos2unix? |
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| 23:32:46 | linuxstb | No |
| 23:32:55 | linuxstb | Did you type "svn status" ? |
| 23:34:12 | godess | yea |
| 23:34:22 | godess | it says that i changed it |
| 23:34:37 | godess | diablo@thomas-pc2:~/rockbox/apps$ svn status |
| 23:34:39 | godess | M bitmaps/native/rockboxlogo.176x54x16.bmp |
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| 23:35:19 | linuxstb | Can you paste (to http://pastebin.ca) all the warnings you get when compiling? |
| 23:35:50 | linuxstb | And did you try putting the original bmp file back? Does it compile again then? |
| 23:36:09 | * | petur doesn't know where this data abort at 00048B20 in maze comes from :( |
| 23:36:30 | godess | hmm |
| 23:36:44 | godess | weird |
| 23:36:49 | godess | it seems to work now |
| 23:37:08 | linuxstb | petur: What function is 48b20 in? |
| 23:37:21 | godess | i got a new svn, maybe i changed something i forgot |
| 23:37:26 | petur | something with core lock or unlock |
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| 23:37:33 | linuxstb | petur: And can you reproduce it reliably? |
| 23:37:38 | petur | yes |
| 23:37:52 | petur | if I remove the yield call it is gone :( |
| 23:38:21 | petur | the abort came up when I changed code that cannot cause it |
| 23:38:28 | linuxstb | This is on a H10? |
| 23:38:32 | petur | yes |
| 23:38:49 | linuxstb | Ah, so it's not SVN maze ? |
| 23:39:01 | petur | no, I was fixing a bug in it |
| 23:39:10 | linuxstb | And causing a worse one... |
| 23:39:13 | linuxstb | ;) |
| 23:39:14 | petur | 1 minute job |
| 23:39:22 | petur | that was 2 hours ago |
| 23:39:28 | linuxstb | Welcome to the PP house of cards |
| 23:40:16 | godess | k it make was successful now |
| 23:41:27 | godess | how to move the bootlogo up? there are some empty rows at the top |
| 23:41:34 | linuxstb | Change the show_logo() function in apps/misc.c |
| 23:41:43 | Gunrun | I have looked through the manual but I can't find anything, is there a way to have the database arange tracks by track number instead of alphabetical? |
| 23:42:27 | Gunrun | I found a .patch file that claims to do it but I have no idea how those work |
| 23:43:02 | godess | thank you |
| 23:43:38 | godess | you have no idea how the patch work, or how to apply a patch? |
| 23:43:46 | pixelma | Gunrun: the database is customisable to quite some extent. You probably find many people around here who use the database a lot (if at all), so the best info you can find I'm aware of is the DataBase page in the wiki |
| 23:43:46 | Gunrun | how to apply a patch |
| 23:44:03 | pixelma | won't find that is... |
| 23:44:15 | Gunrun | so how do you sift through tracks then? |
| 23:44:21 | godess | are you using windows? |
| 23:44:24 | Gunrun | yes |
| 23:44:29 | linuxstb | I always thought the database sorted tracks by track number by default (when viewing an album)? |
| 23:44:29 | godess | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 23:44:47 | Gunrun | linuxstb I don't think so |
| 23:44:56 | pixelma | Gunrun: I mostly use the file browser |
| 23:45:00 | Gunrun | I am playing an album and it is showing the tracks in alphabetical order |
| 23:45:06 | Gunrun | does that sort by track number pixelma? |
| 23:45:32 | godess | i've named my album tracks with the tracknumber first, so i doesn't have this problim^^ |
| 23:45:34 | linuxstb | It will sort by filename - so people using the file browser always put the track number at the start of the filename |
| 23:45:35 | godess | e* |
| 23:45:48 | pixelma | if I got the tracknumber in my filename, yes |
| 23:45:51 | Gunrun | well is there a program that can do that automatically for me? |
| 23:45:55 | godess | ye |
| 23:45:58 | godess | mp3tag |
| 23:46:11 | godess | i use this |
| 23:46:14 | godess | its great |
| 23:46:47 | Gunrun | I'll have a look at this |
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| 23:47:16 | godess | you need to select the files to rename, and do rightclick -> converter -> tag to filename |
| 23:47:17 | * | petur falls off his chair |
| 23:47:37 | Gunrun | GodEater_ is there a way to do that to tracks that are within folders? |
| 23:47:46 | Gunrun | as in just select my entire music folder and hit a button or something |
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| 23:48:04 | godess | yes |
| 23:48:10 | godess | when choosing the files |
| 23:48:11 | Gunrun | oh, ok this seems pretty simple |
| 23:48:24 | Gunrun | thanks |
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| 23:48:40 | godess | you can choose your music folder and may actiate subfolders |
| 23:49:08 | linuxstb | Gunrun: I've just looked at the database, and it's displaying my tracks in order, something like "01. Trackname - 03:21" |
| 23:49:23 | linuxstb | Do you have proper tracknumber tags in your files? |
| 23:49:24 | pixelma | actually linuxstb was right, if I read correctly the default database should sort your tracks in an album by tracknumber |
| 23:49:25 | Gunrun | linuxstb do your tracks have that number at the start though? |
| 23:49:29 | Gunrun | no, as I said I don't |
| 23:49:41 | godess | well they need to |
| 23:49:41 | * | pixelma was too slow |
| 23:49:55 | Gunrun | well I am doing that now, thanks to this bit of software godess |
| 23:50:10 | Gunrun | I'll probably need to redo my winamp library but no big loss |
| 23:50:10 | godess | they need the tracknumber in the tags |
| 23:50:12 | linuxstb | Gunrun: How did you expect the database be able to sort if there isn't a tracknumber tag? |
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| 23:50:20 | Gunrun | linuxstb id3 tags? |
| 23:50:25 | godess | else mp3tag doesnt have any idea which tracknumber to use |
| 23:50:38 | linuxstb | Gunrun: That's what I asked you - do your files have tracknumbers in the id3 tags? |
| 23:50:45 | Gunrun | oh, yes, they do |
| 23:50:49 | godess | ;; |
| 23:50:49 | pixelma | the database uses the tracknumber tag for that - if there is none when you enter the album "subfolder" your files aren't properly tagged |
| 23:50:50 | Gunrun | most of them anyway |
| 23:51:00 | Gunrun | hmm |
| 23:51:32 | godess | which tag is it? |
| 23:51:37 | godess | track or tracknumber? |
| 23:51:53 | Gunrun | umm one moment |
| 23:52:14 | * | linuxstb uses flac so can't help |
| 23:52:22 | godess | :) |
| 23:52:34 | godess | I'd like to use aac |
| 23:52:45 | godess | but stupid wmp doesnt support it |
| 23:53:12 | Gunrun | why not use something else? |
| 23:53:41 | advcomp2019 | winamp supports aac |
| 23:53:52 | Gunrun | or use foobar |
| 23:54:21 | godess | i tried foobar |
| 23:54:30 | linuxstb | Use itunes ;) |
| 23:54:48 | godess | it looks so bad, and this foo_ui_column dowsnt work for me |
| 23:55:20 | * | linuxstb doesn't look at his audio player... |
| 23:55:31 | godess | i want the library to be comfortable and show album art |
| 23:55:45 | Gunrun | I just use my friends premade copy of foobar |
| 23:56:00 | godess | does it show album art? |
| 23:56:01 | pixelma | besides foobar is heavily skinnable but that's really off-topic here |
| 23:56:16 | godess | i know, but, as i said, that didnt work for me |
| 23:56:41 | Pro | ho |
| 23:56:43 | Pro | hi |
| 23:56:53 | Pro | i want to have digicurve wps on my box |
| 23:56:54 | godess | can i make a script to apply patches? |
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| 23:57:10 | Pro | which patches do i need for this wps |
| 23:57:12 | Gunrun | I wish Rockbox came with a slightly less awful default skin activated |
| 23:57:22 | petur | linuxstb: if you're interested in trying that weird maze crash, just remove the if(!quit) from above the yield at the bottom of the loop (see comment). I've given up on it for now |
| 23:57:33 | Gunrun | I was totally put off the first time I tried it because I thought it wasn't skinnable |
| 23:57:41 | Pro | and which source works for the newest patches |
| 23:57:43 | Pro | ??? |
| 23:58:16 | godess | for which wps do you need patches? |
| 23:58:37 | petur | Pro: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 23:58:40 | linuxstb | petur: I probably won't try it now, but for the record, how do you make it crash? Does it just crash as soon as you start the plugin? |
| 23:58:49 | petur | yes |
| 23:58:57 | Pro | Digicurve |
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