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#rockbox log for 2007-08-31

00:02:28LambdaCalculus37jhulst: I'm not exactly "programmer extraordinaire", but I'm a fast learner, and I'm considering this to be unsurpassed learning experience.
00:03:31ddaltonso there is know menu button on the ipod with sim?
00:04:08LambdaCalculus37hachi: No, it's charging. It may not show it, but it is. Just watch the battery meter carefully, or you can see the number increase if you go to System > Rockbox Info.
00:04:19LambdaCalculus37ddalton: There is. It's the . key.
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00:04:51LambdaCalculus37ddalton: Look at the number keypad on the side of your keyboard.
00:05:58ddaltonI am but do you know what button it is the numpad?
00:06:27LambdaCalculus37See the 0 key? There's the . key right next to it.
00:06:46hachiLambdaCalculus37: there isn't an option to plug in a rockbox player via usb and not have it reboot into the disk mode, by chance is there?
00:06:58hachithen I could stop using bits of tape to make my usb cables into charger cables
00:06:59ddaltonok thanks I will try that.
00:07:54RudMan_I gotta install the vmware build environment - I need to modify the simulator to work on laptops
00:08:02linuxstbddalton: "insert" is also MENU on the ipod sim
00:08:07hcshachi: hold down menu when connecting (but you have to hold it down for a while)
00:08:15ddaltonthanks I will try that as well
00:08:33hcshachi: don't think you can toggle it anywhere in the options, though
00:08:41***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:08:59linuxstbddalton: You can see the mappings in uisimulator/sdl/button.c
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00:10:58LambdaCalculus37RudMan_: Which OS? Linux, Mac OS X, or Windows?
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00:11:16RudMan_it's not broken
00:11:23XavierAirportlol hacking airport windows machines is quite easy, no more file and time restrictions :)
00:11:30RudMan_it's just you need a number pad to navigate
00:11:40RudMan_and my laptop doesn't have one
00:11:57LambdaCalculus37Everything you need is on that page.
00:12:13RudMan_yep. I've seen the page....I just gotta do it
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00:12:27RudMan_brilliant idea to do such a thing
00:12:43RudMan_(set up a development VM that is)
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00:13:07_jzhey !
00:13:11_jzhello all
00:13:17_jzjust had a striking idea
00:13:34_jzenyone ever thought of doing a _very simple_ BPM counter for rockbox ?
00:14:06_jzpressing select, select, select, select... it would display the BPM (so easy to program, it's an exercise for some C teacher i knew :)
00:14:21_jzand one key could save it to the "BPM" field of the ID3 of the currently listened track !
00:14:29_jzit would be so fun to do it while in the metro
00:14:35_jzand would be so useful afterwards !
00:14:54_jz(this would help selling rockbox to DJs, though :)
00:14:58*ddalton Wonders why compiling from a clean build dir I get make [error 2] and when I run make again it builds with no errors.
00:15:01hachihcs: do you have to hold down menu before the usb cord shows up on the screen?
00:15:31LambdaCalculus37_jz: That's really nice and all, but the best thing to keep in mind is that if you have a request like this, you should at least get some work started on it.
00:15:39hcshachi: yes, hold it down as you're plugging into usb and keep held down for something like 20 seconds (at least that's what it is on my system, with linux)
00:15:47_jzLambdaCalculus37: I perfectly know the drill
00:15:48LambdaCalculus37_jz: Do you have anything started on this yet?
00:15:59_jzLambdaCalculus37: but i'm not a coder myself
00:16:09_jzi have some 10th of lines of C that must to the BPM counting part, yes
00:16:12RudMan_you're in the wrong channel then :P
00:16:25_jz(i think i have them :)
00:16:32_jzRudMan_: sorry, I will leave...
00:16:42hachiso, I just tried to install the "Dark geek" theme... which has garbled my screen
00:16:54hachican anyone count off the menu items I need to pick to get back to the theme menu?
00:17:01_jzhachi: you can edit the .cfg file
00:17:07_jzit's simpler :)
00:17:11hachino it's not
00:17:19davinanight night time for beauty sleep :)
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00:17:34hachiall I need someone to do is tell me that the 'settings' choice is number 5 and themes is number 4 or something
00:17:53scorchehachi: reset your settings
00:18:01stripwaxhachi - just reset your settings
00:18:06hachiediting the cfg file requires me to crawl behind my computer and plug the cable in
00:18:06stripwaxoh . what scorche said
00:18:49_jzhachi: maybe you should buy some 2$ USB prolongator cable, but that's another topic... ;)
00:18:56bluebrother_jz: tried the metronome plugin?
00:19:16pixelma_jz: the metronome plugin can count the bpm you are tapping... bluebrother was faster...
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00:19:25_jzreally ??
00:19:27_jzyeah !
00:19:39_jzall you need now is to write the id3 tags with some key...
00:19:42LambdaCalculus37hachi: Reset your iPod, then click hold when the backlight comes on at the Apple logo. You should see the Rockbox logo appear and "Settings Cleared" will appear.
00:20:24hachinice, picking a different theme made it worse... something must be wrong
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00:21:41_jzand a key for resetting the counter
00:21:50_jzlooks like it keep going up.... hmm
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00:22:27stripwaxhachi - what does 'garbled' and 'worse' actually mean here... ?
00:23:09hachifirst theme change loaded "Dark Geek" which landed me with what appeared to be correct colors and icons, but the fonts were all just a mess of noise
00:23:29bluebrotherhachi: installed the fonts package?
00:23:51hachithen I figured out the theme menu (4, 4) and picked Uni..something, and the screen went black with only the battery indicator showing up
00:23:59hachithe rockbox battery indicator I mean
00:24:12hachithen I did the reset, and everything came up fine, picked Dark Geek again and it's working fine now
00:24:39_jzwell i'll look into the code of that thing someday
00:24:42_jzthanx guys
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00:25:50hachiwhoops, now I accidentally went into the record menu... exited, when to resume playback
00:26:09hachiplayback screen appeared, then bailed with "Data abort at 4000130C"
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00:27:14LambdaCalculus37hachi: Which build are you running?
00:29:25Llorean"Today" isn't very specific.
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00:29:33LambdaCalculus37hachi: No, no. What revision build? System > Rockbox Info.
00:29:48LambdaCalculus37hachi: The number you're looking for starts with an r.
00:29:57hachiyes, I get that
00:30:13hachiI hate to tell you I'm running todays build, r14530
00:30:45Lloreanhachi: So you're a good 22 revisions behind "Current"
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00:31:18hachimy screen says r14530-070830
00:31:21hachithat's todays date
00:31:27LloreanIt's today's date.
00:31:34LloreanToday has been several hours long, if you hadn't noticed.
00:31:43LloreanWhich is why we have the "Current" build, made every time the code changes.
00:31:48LloreanAnd we direct people to use that.
00:31:54LloreanEspecially when reporting bugs or problems.
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00:32:08hachimost developers call that HEAD
00:32:25LloreanRockbox calls it "Current Build" and has it be the only version linked to from the front page of the site.
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00:32:48LambdaCalculus37hachi: Each developer may have their own little habits.
00:32:59LloreanIf you download the daily build, you basically have to either manually type in the page, or go THROUGH the current build page and ignore it.
00:33:38hachi2007-08-07: We now offer daily built voice files on the daily build page
00:33:41hachior click that link
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00:34:04Lloreanhachi: Yes, that link is there for the voice files
00:34:20Lloreanhachi: Did you read the manual? It also explains "Current Builds" and we do expect you to read that, as mentioned in various guidelines.
00:34:57LambdaCalculus37hachi: Remember that the Current Builds are what helps us zero in on bugs if any are reported.
00:35:17LloreanThough in the case of the Recording screen, I'm pretty sure it's a known issue that playback doesn't work after you enter it on iPods.
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00:35:34LambdaCalculus37hachi: If someone says "I'm experiencing foo bug in SVN build rXXXXX-XXXXXX, then we'll know where to look.
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00:36:15LambdaCalculus37Llorean: That bug has been rather persistent throughout several months worth of builds, and I can't even begin to know where to start count. :)
00:36:15LloreanLambdaCalculus37: There's also the common case where someone reports a bug that's already been fixed, the developer who thought he just fixed it panics, and spends time trying to figure out what he did wrong
00:36:37LloreanThen an hour later we find out the person was running a daily, not the current, and so didn't have the fix in his build, but he *told* us he was "Up to date" misleading us.
00:37:24LambdaCalculus37Llorean: Don't you just love those types of people that make developers go crazy looking for already squashed bugs?
00:37:38LloreanLambdaCalculus37: Just look for the initial recording commit for iPods. Playback has never yet worked after recording on iPods, as I don't think there's that many iPod owners who use recording and also are developing.
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00:38:27LambdaCalculus37Llorean: I don't really bother with the recording function on my iPod, since I've got my Archos JBR v1 for that.
00:38:46LloreanI've got an iRiver H120 for that, the very few times I ever use it.
00:39:16LambdaCalculus37But it's really annoying to accidently enter the recording screen and end up with broken audio playback. I have to end up resetting my iPod with MENU+SELECT.
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00:49:07LambdaCalculus37Llorean: The changelog shows initial recording commit on 2006-12-17.
00:49:30LloreanThen that's how long we've had no playback since you leave the recording screen. ;)
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00:49:47*LambdaCalculus37 thinking
00:50:36LambdaCalculus37I wonder...
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00:51:27LambdaCalculus37Llorean: I'll see if I can find something in the source.
00:51:37`sh4greetings ;)
00:53:52*LambdaCalculus37 puts on his Thinking Cap
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00:55:40`sh4damn it, i was going to ask you guys something. keep getting interrupted though :(
00:55:57LambdaCalculus37`sh4: Go ahead. Ask away.
00:56:05`sh4thanks :)
00:56:15`sh4well, i was going to ask if anyone here's familiar with the e200 hardware
00:56:39iambeni know what all the buttons do
00:56:48`sh4i've had them apart, but i just took this one apart...and noticed the strangest thing. it has 2 8GB chips, instead of the normal 1 2GB chip
00:57:02`sh4i was wondering if there was a way to unlock that through the daughter board or something
00:57:13LloreanAre you sure it's not two 8Gb chips?
00:57:27`sh4Llorean: well, it has 2 of these: SDTNIHHSM-8192
00:57:34LambdaCalculus37`sh4: Hang on.
00:57:34`sh4which i've never seen before in an e250
00:57:42LambdaCalculus37`sh4: Google time!
00:57:50iamben8192 megabits?
00:58:08iamben1 gigabyte or so
00:58:24`sh4well, all the other e250s i've seen have one chip
00:58:36`sh4think they're labeled 2048 in bytes, not sure though :(
00:58:47`sh4MB of course hehe
00:59:01Llorean8192 gigabit each would still be two gigabytes though. But I haven't looked up that chip yet.
00:59:12LambdaCalculus37`sh4: Getting information right now.
00:59:45`sh4LambdaCalculus37: ah, thanks. it just seems so strange. i had the player apart to repair something, and noticed that...and was like !!!
01:01:34LambdaCalculus37`sh4: Google turned up nothing useful.
01:01:51LambdaCalculus37But I think they may be 8 gigabit chips as mentioned before.
01:02:00LambdaCalculus37How old is this Sansa?
01:02:11LambdaCalculus37Did you buy it when they first came out? Or recently?
01:02:23`sh4nah, i picked it up to repair recently. just a used one
01:02:52`sh4i found a couple places which mention the SDTNIHHSM-8192 with a capital M, suggesting MB though
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01:03:41`sh4back in a few. i'll be idle here :)
01:03:50LambdaCalculus37`sh4: Do you think maybe you can take a picture or two of the chips and put them somewhere for us to look at them?
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01:04:40`sh4LambdaCalculus37: well, strange enough i don't even have a camera. i can give you guys every number on the chip though
01:05:07`sh4that, and try to get a pic later on. different from any 250 i've seen
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01:06:14LambdaCalculus37`sh4: If you can borrow a camera, or ANY way of getting a picture, please do so! My curiousity is peaking!
01:06:44`sh4will do. i'll try to snag a pic :)
01:07:15`sh4bits would make sense, it just looks different from what i've seen before
01:07:22`sh4back in a few
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01:09:59*LambdaCalculus37 will be back in two shakes
01:10:52*LambdaCalculus37 is back
01:12:48LambdaCalculus37Llorean: So what do you think? Do you think SanDisk may have manufactured some Sansa e200s using two chips for flash storage, as `sh4 described?
01:12:58LambdaCalculus37I've personally never seen that before.
01:17:59LambdaCalculus37Acutally, I'm going to switch systems. I'll be back in a few minutes.
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01:20:27LambdaCalcuclus3YES! My name is showing up right!
01:20:45LambdaCalcuclus3Never mind. It's still me.
01:20:48LloreanYou've got an extra C in there
01:20:59pixelmaand a seven is missing
01:21:11Lloreanpixelma: I'd assume he's at the length limit, though I don't know.
01:21:43pixelmawhat I think to, still it is different ;)
01:21:48LloreanAs to the two flash chips as opposed to one, it seems odd but it's possible that it was cheaper at some point in time to do 2x1 as opposed to 1x2
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01:22:21pixelmawell our SandiskE200HardwareComponents mentions to chips too
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01:23:10*LambdaCalcuclus3 will be right back
01:28:17pixelmaso if they decided to go 2 chips (I can imagine that was cheaper for the 8GB version), it might have been easier to just combine it of 2 even for the smaller versions
01:30:02LambdaCalcuclus3pixelma: The wiki page shows that chip number `sh4 mentioned.
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01:32:35SoapE280 for $140 + free shipping.
01:33:14Soapoops, wrong link.
01:33:28rasherLook right
01:33:54rasherE250 for $50 + free shipping.
01:34:30LambdaCalcuclus3e280 for $140? Not bad!
01:34:32Soapbetter than new in my book
01:35:25LambdaCalcuclus3Much more so!
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01:35:52LambdaCalcuclus3But I still have my eyes on either an iAUDIO X5 or a Gigabeat F as my next DAP.
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01:36:52pixelmaah, were you the one who changed that Iaudio spelling in our wiki...?
01:37:34pixelmasomewhere and while ago...
01:37:37LambdaCalcuclus3pixelma: Yeah, sorry 'bout that. But Cowon tends to use the iAUDIO moniker for their players...
01:37:59LambdaCalcuclus3Kind of like iriver being all lowercase nowadays?
01:38:28rasherI still think we should just ignore these shenanigans and treat them as proper nouns, not logos.
01:38:46pixelmapersonally I think we shouldn't mind how they spell it - what if they change their mind, like Iriver. I'd just use it as a name but am no native speaker
01:38:46LloreanLogos are .png, .gif, and .jpg files, for text they're just proper nouns. ;)
01:39:54LambdaCalcuclus3Llorean: Understandable. I just tend to be a little anal about it sometimes. :P
01:40:24idnarwell, it's kind of like spelling a person's name, or whatever
01:41:06rasherYou don't spell it Hmmmm just becaus someone signs his name with a series of squiggles either
01:41:13`sh4there we go. now i can actually sit down hehe
01:41:16SoapRasher not rasher then?
01:41:17rasherBut that's just my opinion, of course.
01:41:25pixelmabesides, iAUDIO looks ugly as text - like written with hanging shift key...
01:41:27rasherSoap: If you must
01:42:00rasherSoap: IRC isn't exactly a literary work though
01:42:19LambdaCalcuclus3pixelma: I wonder why Cowon writes it like that...
01:42:28LambdaCalcuclus3It's kind of silly, if you ask me.
01:42:44LloreanI wonder why they put "Color Sound" on the black and white player.
01:43:02pixelmathat's just metaphoric ;)
01:43:08LambdaCalcuclus3Use of surplus parts?
01:43:20LambdaCalcuclus3Who knows?
01:43:35LloreanOnly plays the blues?
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01:44:46LambdaCalcuclus3Or sound comes out as octraine? :)
01:45:10LambdaCalcuclus3Sound as the eighth color? Now that's pretty farfetched!
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01:46:23pixelmaLlorean: "Color Sound" would play the full spectrum... and I know my M5 does except without the Cowon OF
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01:47:39LambdaCalcuclus3Llorean: Slightly OT-ish, but I almost never see the M5 for sale anywhere. Does anyone know where you can purchase one?
01:48:16LloreanLuck and eBay pretty much account for getting most of the Rockbox targets, sadly.
01:48:29LambdaCalcuclus3pixelma: They're about as rare as Paris Hilton's brain cells on eBay.
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01:48:58LambdaCalcuclus3I see the X5 models far more often.
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01:49:19pixelmaI got mine from an UK store who sells now and then often 20 new ones for a "buy now" price
01:49:32LambdaCalcuclus3pixelma: Do you remember the name of the store?
01:49:34`sh4hmm, so player model info of the e200 series is stored in that hidden 20MB partition on the daughterboard, it seems. if this e200 really *does* have 8GB chips for some reason, i wonder what would happen if i were to edit the model info :(
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01:50:31pixelmaLambdaCalcuclus3: yes, let me see if I can link you
01:50:35Llorean`sh4: Rockbox doesn't limit what you have access to, so if it really had 8GB chips, and they were properly attached, there's no reason why you wouldn't have access to all of it afaik.
01:51:10`sh4Llorean: oooh, i didn't know that about rockbox. i have more than one of these, so i'll stick rockbox on this real quick
01:51:12Llorean`sh4: I don't see why you're assuming they are when Occam's Razor simply points to it being bits, a common thing with flash and ram chip labeling.
01:51:51`sh4simply because i've had at least 10 of these apart
01:51:55`sh4and this is the first of it's nature
01:52:06`sh4probably is bits, but i can't help to be curious heh
01:52:12LambdaCalcuclus3pixelma: Many thanks!
01:52:43pixelmaLambdaCalcuclus3: 2 downsides - the charger had UK plugs and they just accepted PayPal from me
01:52:46Llorean`sh4: Considering the SDTNKHHSM-32768 is 4GB, it's VERY likely it's bits. :-P
01:53:08`sh4Llorean: ah, okay. i didn't know that was a 4GB chip
01:53:20LambdaCalcuclus3pixelma: I have a voltage adapter set. But do they ship to the U.S.?
01:54:10pixelmathey shipped to Germany (which was pretty fast), but better ask
01:54:14`sh4Llorean: honestly, i haven't really checked chip numbers etc, so i'm sure it has to be 2GB. :)
01:55:13pixelmaLambdaCalcuclus3: but it was the only offer of M5s, I could find, too
01:55:47Nimdaeall the usb updates are teasing me :(
01:55:48LambdaCalcuclus3pixelma: I'm going to keep this guy's store in my eBay favorites.
01:56:22LambdaCalcuclus3Since many of my friends ask me about DAP recommendations, I now know where to get one more Rockbox-compatible DAP.
01:56:31pixelmathey seem to have M5s and M5Ls for sale just now
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01:57:14` so godly. doom, and mpegplayer on an e200. so tiny :p
01:57:42Nimdaedon't forget ogg support ;)
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01:58:16LambdaCalcuclus3And FLAC support!
01:58:25`sh4yeah, FLAC's a *huge* advantage too
01:58:36iambenslightly OT, anyone know if/how i can extract doom wads from my doom install cd?
01:58:38NimdaeAND IT HAS A CLOCK!
01:58:40`sh4not to mention recording capabilities in more than Wav hehe
01:58:47iambeni don't have teh dos =(
01:59:03LambdaCalcuclus3iamben: Yeah, just drop it into your CD drive and browse around the CD until you find it.
01:59:15LambdaCalcuclus3Then copy it to your player.
01:59:28iambeni think its stuck in some .pak files
01:59:40LambdaCalcuclus3Nimdae: And the best damn recording interface I've ever seen, especially on my Archos!
02:00:00Nimdaewell, my ipod doesn't have a mic out of the box so i wouldn't know :(
02:00:04LambdaCalcuclus3iamben: What CD are you trying to get a WAD off of? Ultimate Doom? Doom II? Or Final Doom?
02:00:06`sh4i actually have a C250 here, which i wouldn't mind playing with. not sure how much information there is on the bootloader though
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02:00:37iambenLambdaCalcuclus3: its actually my own cd which has my backed up installers from ultimate and doom 2
02:00:48iambeni have the pak files, can i extract pak on linux?
02:01:13iambenyeah i was hoping i could skip dosbox, already got it building now
02:01:17Nimdaeiamben: mv file.pak
02:01:56Nimdaei don't think the format changed much before quake 3
02:02:21LambdaCalcuclus3`sh4: If you have an account on the forums, there's already a topic thread about a potential c200 port. Maybe you can help advance it further? :)
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02:02:49LambdaCalcuclus3Nimdae: This is a wee bit OT-ish, but the PAK format IS nothing more than a zip format.
02:03:00`sh4LambdaCalculus3: hmm, maybe. i'll have to check that out. i actually don't have an account on the forums :)
02:03:39`sh4it's pretty funny... i have a 20GB ipod too, and that's pretty much pushed aside for my smaller flash players
02:03:54LambdaCalcuclus3`sh4: Not to pry, but what model iPod is it?
02:03:54Nimdaeiamben: yeah, i think they used some standard format for it and gave it a new extension to obscure it...i could get out my quake cd and verify if i'm talking out of my backside or not
02:04:12`sh4you're not prying at all. it's a 20GB 4th gen
02:04:17`sh4black and white model
02:04:35`sh4i use it in my car a lot, since the storage is so high
02:04:47LambdaCalcuclus3`sh4: Rockboxed?
02:05:17`sh4LambdaCalculus3: sadly, no. :( i really should. right now it has ipod linux, and standard firmware
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02:06:33LambdaCalcuclus3`sh4: The 4th Gen port has made some great strides in recent months. You should try it out! My dad's using it on his 4th Gen and he's enjoying it!
02:07:00`sh4LambdaCalcuclus3: oooh, good to know. i've been meaning to switch it over lately anyway, so i'll do that :)
02:07:21Nimdaeiamben: ok, it appears i was talking out of my behind, i don't remember how i did it now
02:07:25Soapdoes the frequency scaling bug still bite the 4th gen?
02:07:45LambdaCalcuclus3Soap: Wasn't that squashed already? Or am I wrong?
02:08:00SoapI was thinking it was - but I'm old and my brain falters.
02:08:01Nimdaei thought that was gone a while ago
02:08:25LloreanI think it's supposed to have been squashed
02:08:36Soapmikeage still offers a daily no-scaling build. The only build he is still doing IIRC. It is simply that fact that made me question myself.
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02:10:20LloreanSoap: It's possible he doesn't know things are supposed to be fixed?
02:10:44Soappossible - I'll contact him. I like it when the unsupported builds forum is tidy.
02:10:55thommy_what kind of playlist can be used in rockbox?
02:11:46thommy_the one creating with amarok don't work
02:11:52LambdaCalcuclus3Llorean: I remember reading about that bug being squashed back in June, if I remember.
02:12:35LloreanLambdaCalcuclus3: Yes, but it's of the sort of bug where we *think* it's quashed, but we've kinda thought we had it before until widespread testing showed it was just in remission for a bit.
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02:13:12LambdaCalcuclus3Llorean: Isn't that a Heisenbug? :)
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02:14:39SoapjhMikeS: iRiver H10 20GB - sell it to you for $50 and will consider the other $50 a donation to Rockbox.
02:14:54LambdaCalcuclus3Llorean: The "Uncertainty" bugs are the worst. :)
02:15:18LloreanNo, the worst are the "we're certain the bug exists, it just refuses to happen on a player anyone who can do anything about it owns" :)
02:15:24LloreanLike this recent Nano epidemic.
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02:15:56LambdaCalcuclus3Llorean: Yep, that's a Heisenbug, all right.
02:16:19LambdaCalcuclus3They appear in certain situations, but when someone goes to hunt them down, they're not there!
02:16:29`sh4man, the e200 weighs a little more than the ipod nano...but i like it so much better. can't stand the nanos personally :(
02:16:52LambdaCalcuclus3`sh4: What would you rather have? Performance or pretty face?
02:16:55`sh4guess i can't really speak for the 2nd gen ones however
02:17:01SoapjhMikeS: iPod 1st/2nd gen. 10GB "Sometimes boots, sometimes doesn't" (assume hard drive dying?) - free if interested and if seller still has it.
02:17:09`sh4LambdaCalcuclus3: a nice mix ;)
02:17:10LambdaCalcuclus3Personally, I'd take a Sansa over a nano ANY day of the week.
02:17:17`sh4me too hehe
02:17:21LambdaCalcuclus3Performance AND a pretty face!
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02:19:26LambdaCalcuclus3Soap: Are you the one getting rid of the iPod?
02:19:38Soapheck no.
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02:19:58LambdaCalcuclus3Soap: Just asking.
02:20:37SoapWasn't trying to be rude - but a real man wouldn't sell a rockboxable DAP. Unless that man was toffee.
02:21:19*scorche takes away an e
02:21:28LambdaCalcuclus3Soap: Or just plain daft. :P
02:21:43LloreanOr has half a dozen already, and is trading up. ;)
02:21:58Soapthat is no excuse Llorean !
02:22:15LambdaCalcuclus3Soap: Maybe Llorean wants to share the wealth? :)
02:22:30`sh4i've always kinda liked the 3rd gen ipods. my 4th's alright too
02:22:32Soapoh - GIFTING up I can handle.
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02:22:59LambdaCalcuclus3`sh4: The 3rd Gen iPods are now more stable as well.
02:23:22LloreanSoap: I've got two F40s at the moment, I'm trading one up for an S60. Selling one when/if the S port finishes.
02:23:26`sh4LambdaCalcuclus3: ah, very nice. i might pick one of those up sometime, just for the hell of it
02:23:39`sh4such a shame they're black and white though :(
02:23:53Soapso you'll have no F40's?
02:23:54Llorean3rd gen iPods also get better battery life than in the retail firmware now, I believe
02:23:56LloreanOr was it just 1/2?
02:24:08LloreanSoap: No, sorry, I was unclear. I'll have one F40, and sell one.
02:24:16LambdaCalcuclus3Llorean: I know for a fact the 2nd Gen models get better battery life.
02:24:25SoapI just want to state for the record they are _possibly_ getting better battery life.
02:24:53SoapHe got a better runtime than Apple quotes. I get better runtime than Apple quotes on my 5th gen (in original firmware)
02:24:53LloreanSoap: How 'bout "should under equivalent conditions"?
02:25:12LloreanOr at least "Aren't suffering a runtime penalty for running Rockbox"?
02:25:19SoapI can swallow that.
02:26:03LambdaCalcuclus3Llorean: One of my friends tried it on his 2nd Gen. Runtime on default settings: roughly 14.8 hours.
02:26:18`sh4^^geez, pretty good
02:26:34LambdaCalcuclus3Wasn't the original runtime on the OF somewhere around 10-12 hours, or no?
02:26:42Llorean`sh4: Runtime on the M5L with Rockbox is something like 45 hours?
02:26:55`sh4!! o_0
02:26:58SoapIn my experience, Apple is conservative in runtime quotes.
02:27:00`sh4that's sick
02:27:12Soapon my Nano 1st, Nano 2nd, and 5th gen.
02:27:30LambdaCalcuclus3My iPod video 5.5G gets about 8 to 9 hours with Rockbox on one full charge.
02:27:40LloreanI imagine if the iFP port had ever finished we'd be seeing quite impressive runtimes there too.
02:28:11LloreanIt's one of those players that runs on a AA and gets some 40 or so hours.
02:28:39LambdaCalcuclus3Llorean: That's even better than the Archos players, in a way!
02:29:24Llorean'cept no Rockbox
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02:29:49`sh4uh oh. i probably need a USB cable for my 4th gen to install the Rockbox bootloader, don't i? only have a firewire connection for it at the moment
02:30:10LambdaCalcuclus3`sh4: Yep. Better get shopping.
02:30:11`sh4not a huge deal, could always borrow a USB cable
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02:31:17`sh4LambdaCalcuclus3: i'll just have to borrow my buddy's or something, no biggy. i'm still running USB 1.1 on my setups, so you can see why i'm using firewire haha
02:31:55`sh4probably have a USB 2.0 card laying around even. have so much crap
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02:31:59LambdaCalcuclus3`sh4: iPodpatcher isn't picky about the speed of your USB ports. All it wants is a USB port.
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02:32:27`sh4LambdaCalcuclus3: oh yeah, i was just saying it in a completely unrelated manner :)
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02:35:05`sh4damn it. i think i need pizza
02:35:18`sh4(wool pizza)
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02:40:04LambdaCalcuclus3Llorean: I've noticed that there are a few targets that are incomplete that are still in the source.
02:40:39LambdaCalcuclus3Beside the iFP port.
02:43:23LambdaCalcuclus3Just curious, but if nothing happens with those incomplete ports, what will happen with them? Would they be removed from source, or just left there for they day someone interested comes along?
02:44:28LloreanEventually they get pruned, if they get in the way of anything else.
02:46:40LambdaCalcuclus3I've noticed that the Archos AV300 comes up as a target when you run the configure script to create a makefile.
02:46:43rasherw32 sim, x11 sim, gminis.
02:47:04LambdaCalcuclus3How far along is that target in terms of completed code?
02:47:29LambdaCalcuclus3I believe the AV300 uses a TMS320 as well, correct?
02:53:23LambdaCalcuclus3Note to all: Dell DJ findings posted on the forums at;topicseen#msg93659 and soon on the wiki.
02:56:29iambenwtf doom takes longer to install now than it did 10 years ago
02:58:54LambdaCalcuclus3iamben: What do you mean?
03:01:42*LambdaCalcuclus3 will be right back
03:04:17*LambdaCalcuclus3 is back
03:08:08iambenoh, i had to do the actual doom install in dosbox to get my wads
03:08:29LambdaCalcuclus3iamben: Better than nothing.
03:08:38iambenbut i have to say, the rockbox doom implementation is pretty sweet, looks great w/ the screen rotated on e200
03:11:41LambdaCalcuclus3iamben: Rockdoom looks especially nice on the iPod video or the Gigabeat with landscape rotation.
03:12:15LambdaCalcuclus3Too bad the same can't be said of the control scheme, but I just run it to mess around with it.
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03:22:14iambenon my sansa it seem to confuse the "select" and "record" buttons
03:23:14LambdaCalcuclus3iamben: You could always tweak the code and create a patch for other Sansa users.
03:23:15iambenactually, when i physically push the "select" button, it triggers the action i set in rb's doom options for both "select" and "record"
03:23:36iambeni'll... "look into it" =)
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03:29:14LambdaCalcuclus3I'm about to head off myself.
03:29:28LambdaCalcuclus3I'll see everyone later!
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03:32:57iambenyeah that source is a bit confusing
03:33:10iambenanyone w/ an e200 & doom that can confirm what im seeing?
03:34:04RudMan_I got it - exactly what is happening?
03:34:42RudMan_what options did you set?
03:34:46iambeni set "select" to be fire button, and "record" to be strafe button
03:34:59iambenwhen in game, i press "select" and it does fire AND strafe
03:35:02iambenand "record" does nothing.
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03:36:20LiquidDragonEvening fellows
03:36:36LiquidDragonand ladies?
03:36:45RudMan_iam: yep - happens here
03:36:58iambenalright thanks
03:37:04iambennow i have the courage to file a bug =)
03:38:09iambenalthough i may just try to figure it out myself tomorrow, i'd also love it if i could use the scroll wheel to navigate the doom menus until im actually in game
03:38:18LiquidDragonIs it okay to completely wipe my ipod and then install rockbox?
03:38:26LiquidDragonor do i still need some apple stuff on it?
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03:41:52saaadcan someone help me with my gigabeat :(
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03:43:18LiquidDragonso is it okay to wipe all files off the ipod?
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03:45:40krazykitsaaad, only if you ask the question ;_
03:45:47krazykit;) even.
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03:51:59saaadi got an error message saying "Connect the Portable Media Center to a PC"
03:52:25krazykityou have a gigabeat f or x, right?
03:52:46krazykitthe s isn't supported by rockbox.
03:53:00Nimdaeit's an atrocity
03:53:14saaadbut #gigabeat is a ghost town
03:53:17saaadand i need help :(
03:53:26saaadmmkay i guess i wont find it here
03:53:29saaadthnx anyway bub
03:53:31krazykitwell, seeing as rockbox doesn't run on the gigabeat s, you won't find it anyway
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03:53:50Nimdaeit's just not supported by rockbox _yet_
03:54:08Nimdaeoh well
03:54:44Nimdaei'm gonna make another build of rockbox with usb support just so i can drool over it and see if there's anything i can report on
03:57:27iambengood idea, i've been following all the svn commits concerning usb but havent been home to be able to build a new rb until now
03:57:44Nimdaeyeah, been watching it too
03:57:54Nimdaelast build i made showed no errors, though
03:58:29krazykityou need to add some #defines, don't you?
03:58:41Nimdaenaa, they are there, but commented out
03:58:51*krazykit should play with it this weekend
03:59:06Nimdaeit doesn't do much yet
03:59:28Nimdaeit connects and identifies itself to the system
03:59:31Nimdaebut that's about it
03:59:36Nimdaeat least, as far as i can tell
04:01:31Nimdaestill, that's a lot farther than it has been
04:02:07iambenNimdae: where can i find out what needs to be uncommented?
04:02:18Nimdaewhat device do you have?
04:02:38Nimdaeit's in firmware/export/
04:03:16Nimdaelike for me, firmware/export/config-ipodvideo.h (i think)
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04:13:46iambengot it to build, and it *tries* to initialize, but i just get repeated "device not accepting address" errors in dmesg
04:14:05iambeni mean it tries to initialize when i plug in usb
04:14:48Nimdaei haven't even tried connecting it in linux
04:14:51Nimdaewill have to look at that
04:15:15Nimdaestill making my usb build (i build my regular build first)
04:21:05Nimdaebah, it's back to locking up when i plug in usb on my regular build
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04:27:50Nimdaeyup, connected, attempted a few resets, then disconnected
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04:59:05LiquidDragonwhat is usb support going to enable?
04:59:20Nimdaeaccess the files without it rebooting to disk mode
04:59:26Nimdaeand some other stuff
04:59:31LiquidDragonAhh okay
04:59:32Nimdaei think there's a serial access mode too
04:59:49Nimdaeso maybe we'll see accessory support
04:59:54LiquidDragonI wish i knew how to code for rockbox
05:00:09Nimdaeme too
05:00:14scorcheNimdae: the AAP is different
05:00:18scorchethen learn
05:00:34Nimdaei don't have time :(, is pend most of my time on stuff relating to work
05:00:42LiquidDragonYeah same
05:00:49LiquidDragonand i am getting back to school next week
05:01:03LiquidDragonWish i knew about this at the beginning of the summer :(
05:01:17Nimdaesummer means more owrk for me
05:01:22LiquidDragonYup me too
05:01:30Nimdaestupid projects
05:01:33LiquidDragonBut i did helpdesk support so i had some free time
05:01:45Nimdaei'm glad i'm past helpdesk support
05:01:58LiquidDragonUgh, it's no fun sometimes
05:02:02Nimdaebut that just means i take programs from crappy programmers and make them work
05:02:13LiquidDragonwhat language?
05:02:17Nimdaescorche: can i get rockbox devs to replace our developers at work?
05:02:23NimdaeC i think
05:02:31LiquidDragonYou think?
05:02:37scorcheNimdae: if you pay enough, sure
05:02:41LiquidDragonYou don't even know what kind of programs you fix?
05:02:50Nimdaethese developers...instead of fixing a warning or error from the compiler...they change thec ompiler environment so it compiles
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05:03:09NimdaeLiquidDragon: i don't program at work, i work on the server environments
05:03:22LiquidDragonOhh gotcha
05:03:31LiquidDragonWish i did stuff like that
05:03:43Nimdaeare you sure?
05:03:51Nimdaei'm betting there are better jobs
05:03:57*scorche finds his offtopic stamp
05:04:01LiquidDragonOh i am sure there are
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05:05:40Nimdaebah, i lost my bookmarks and don't have the flyspray number for the accessory support
05:06:28Nimdaescorche: so the serial thing, is it like a raw connection to the device?
05:06:45scorchewell, it is serial...not sure what you mean
05:07:35Nimdaewell yeah, but like with serial, you send signaling over the line for communication and the remote device may or may not respond, or something...i should stop trying now
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05:12:31Nimdaeanyway it's my bedtime
05:12:34alienbiker99is the usb stack still unusable
05:12:50LiquidDragonGood night Nimdae
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07:33:06webguest46Hi guys
07:33:23webguest46Love Rockbox..
07:33:29webguest46Rockbox is ROCK
07:34:35webguest46one question though...I have my Rockbox set as default config.(no graphic).. some of the FLAC play only partial of the song and jump to the next song and again doing the same on the next and next songs
07:34:59webguest46is that because of something wrong with the FLAC album?
07:35:37webguest46I don't seem to have problem with some other FLAC
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07:40:04webguest46I am using the IPOD 80GB do I increase the plugin memory?
07:40:25aliaskwebguest46: Why do you want to?
07:40:59webguest46because when I try to view picture, some said that I don't have enough plugin memory
07:41:18aliaskYou'd have to manually recompile rockbox
07:41:49webguest46ok..and how am I going about doing that?
07:42:28webguest46what compiler do I use
07:45:38webguest46Thanks aliask
07:50:26webguest46Thanks to all though who put great effort and time in developing ROCKBOX...
07:52:34webguest46Here is my small wish list:
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07:54:07webguest461) when in Rockbox, shutdown (sleep) mode should wake up in Rockbox instead of Linux boot screen ( when in apple mode, it actually wake up in ipod).
07:54:18webguest462) play mp4 on it
07:55:02webguest463) Database should see playlist exactly as Apple playlist
07:55:10webguest46That's it!!!
07:57:29scorcheshutdown is not the same as sleep, and that is the ipl bootloader...not ours; as for 2 that is not likely to happen as you typically have to reformat for the ipod anyway and we do not control the broadcom chip on the device; as for 3, there was a discussion on the forums about it semi-recently...look at that for our thoughts
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08:01:14webguest461) let say I pause rockbox and it turn off by itself, when I click Select, it turn back on with IP bootloader
08:01:48scorcheas i said, that isnt our bootloader....that is ipl's
08:02:24webguest46I understand your point, just that I wonder why it would work in Apple mode
08:02:41scorchewonder why what would work?
08:04:00webguest46when boot in Apple mode, when it goes to sleep, wake up in apple instead of bootloader
08:04:11scorchethe original firmware rarely ever shuts goes into sleep mode...rockbox shuts down and doesnt sleep...if you had our bootloader, it would go right into rockbox without a boot menu
08:04:29scorcheas i said before...shutdown is not the same as sleep there away I can make Rockbox to sleep instead of shutdown while idling
08:05:50scorcheas i said before, rockbox doesnt sleep
08:06:40webguest46and that's why I put it on wish list to sleep instead of shutdown when idling
08:07:25scorchewell, your wishlist doesnt really mean anything...we have a section of our tracker that is dedicated to feature requests...if it isnt there already, add it
08:08:01webguest46alright..Thanks scorche
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08:38:24ddaltondoes anyone here use the wake up alarm on the ipod?
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09:19:05rvvs89ddalton: if you mean in the Apple firmware, yes
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09:20:01ddaltonno I mean the rockbox fw. /setting/general settings/system/ and then I think it is called wake up alarm.
09:20:26ddaltondo you use it?
09:21:03rvvs89just the Apple firmware and iPodLinux to be honest
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09:21:25ddaltoncan you run rockbox and ipodlinux at the same time/?
09:21:47rvvs89if by run you mean have them installed, yes
09:22:03ddaltono yeah sorry.
09:22:11ddaltonso how does or the booting work?
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09:22:44rvvs89well, if you mostly use rockbox, you'll probably want to keep that bootloader
09:22:54rvvs89I'm not sure if it can load iPL though
09:23:05rvvs89what with not using it and all heh
09:23:21rvvs89I do know that iPod Loader 2 will load both
09:23:30rvvs89but apparently it causes some problems
09:23:53B4gderyes, the rockbox bootloader can load and run linux too
09:23:54ddaltonso what one is better?
09:24:18B4gderddalton: the ipl loader has a fancy menu, the rockbox one does not
09:24:41ddaltonso is ipodlinux better than rb?
09:24:42rvvs89you can customise the iPL loader menu
09:24:43B4gderddalton: for you I guess that won't be much fun anyway ;-)
09:25:00rvvs89ddalton: they aren't comparable
09:25:12rvvs89but I would say rockbox does a far better job at being a music player
09:25:23rvvs89and is far more active with development
09:25:53rvvs89however, if you want Linuc on your iPod, then look no further
09:27:57ddaltonso what does linux do on the ipod?
09:28:09ddaltonand can you develop it like rockbox?
09:28:26B4gderddalton: it has a few more games
09:29:14scorcheddalton: afaik, being blind-friendly is not one of its goals
09:29:18rvvs89well, it's also Linux, so a lot of the things you can do on a desktop in Linux, you can also do in iPL
09:29:42B4gderexcept that it doesn't have a keyboard or any other decent input...
09:30:01ddaltonso can you patch the kernal and compile it.
09:30:09ddaltonso use
09:30:11rvvs89B4dger: but it does...
09:30:21ddaltonso any linux app will work on it?
09:30:26B4gderddalton: but they use an outdated kernel and I doubt many people build their own
09:30:36B4gderddalton: no
09:30:47B4gderddalton: you need to rebuild them for it and it is uclinux, not "real" linux
09:31:01ddaltonB4gder: do they need to be ported to it like rockbox?
09:31:02B4gderwhich is almost the same, but not exactly the same
09:31:15B4gderddalton: they probably require less porting than for rockbox
09:31:22rvvs89ddalton: why don't you have a look at the web site... when it comes back online...
09:31:36ddaltonso you could probably somehow get to run on ipodlinux?
09:31:40B4gderrvvs89: the ipodlinux site really is not very useful to get info
09:31:57B4gderddalton: possibly yes, it depends on what that system requires
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09:33:42rvvs89ddalton: it is somewhat hindered by a number of debilitating kernel bugs
09:34:05rvvs89if you want more info there's #ipodlinux
09:36:28ddaltonI don't think I will use it. (I am blind so that is a problem) And it would help if I had an ipod.
09:36:30linuxstbrvvs89: Out of curiousity, what do you use IPL for?
09:36:38ddaltonand I won't be buying another ipod.
09:37:12*ddalton Isn't  a big fan of the apple ipod
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09:41:48*ddalton has just about got the alarm on the ipod talking.
09:41:56ddaltonany interest in this?
09:45:09*petur hates any noise from an alarm ;)
09:46:44*scorche has interest if we change the lang file to voice "beer beer beer!" on the alarm for petur
09:47:37peturwhat would that help? I still wouldn't have one on my desk here ;)
09:48:13peturbtw, a great beer lover died: Michael Jackson
09:48:23peturwrote a book on Belgian beers
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09:49:31doktoreashi to all
09:49:39doktoreasis it possible to listen mpc wih rockbox?
09:50:18doktoreasDoes I need some plugin?
09:50:30doktoreasok thank you very much
09:50:35linuxstbYou're welcome.
09:51:04linuxstb(my answers assumed you're not using an Archos player)
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09:51:33doktoreasnope, ipod min
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10:01:44rvvs89linuxstb: I find the file browser and text input to be pretty useful, and I'm developing a couple of dodgy applications for it
10:02:56linuxstbOK, so as a developer you were more attracted to IPL than Rockbox?
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10:03:22linuxstbThat seems to be common - lots of people are developing apps for IPL, but very few ipod owners seem to develop apps for Rockbox...
10:03:59GodEateripod linux
10:04:26GodEaterlinuxstb: malloc() ;)
10:04:35linuxstbGodEater: But no free() !
10:04:36rvvs89yeah, about that heh
10:05:20GodEaterlinuxstb: real programmers don't care about free() - they like memory leaks :)
10:05:37linuxstbGodEater: You can't talk - you've used malloc in your plugin...
10:05:58GodEaterripped straight from your mpegplayer plugin yes
10:06:12linuxstbI had an excuse - mpegplayer is a port of libmpeg2
10:06:40B4gder... but then ipl can't play music decently since they don't have memory available ;-)
10:06:52GodEaterwell perhaps fm2's rewrite of the plugin will replace my linked list code with a proper array then
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10:13:41amiconnB4gder: Yup, and on G1..G3 ipl won't play music decently when higher bitrates are used
10:13:57B4gderthat too
10:14:17B4gderbut their gameboy emulator is said to be better! ;-)
10:14:34linuxstbBut they're cheating - they have devs that care about it...
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10:17:23fm2GodEater: one more question about shortcuts. Why did you choose to use malloc()? Why not grab the buffer and use it as an array?
10:17:50GodEaterit's like he's psychic
10:18:09GodEaterfm2 - mainly because the example in the listwidgets page in the wiki used one
10:18:25GodEaterand I could be bothered to work out how to rework that example to read an array
10:18:31GodEaterso pure laziness
10:19:45*scorche is seeing a theme here
10:20:40fm2GodEater: because all that stuff with last_entry etc is ... a little bit magic. But it can be a good example that malloc is still possible in RB :-)
10:21:33GodEaterfm2: yes - I found the edge cases a bit of a pain - it didn't start that complex :(
10:23:24fm2GodEater: do you know how to write at the end of a file, i.e. append to it? The appender could then be greatly simplified.
10:23:57GodEaterfm2: seek to the end, and write there
10:23:59GodEaternot too tricky
10:24:25GodEaterI just chose not to that way in my plugin because it made it more complex if you were writing the file once an entry had been deleted
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10:25:40fm2GodEater: what should be the mode? O_RDWR?
10:25:54GodEaterfm2: "man open"
10:26:11fm2 ok
10:26:21GodEaterO_RDWR looks like it would work though
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10:30:25B4gderbloody spammers finally ended up using my from adress when sending to the rockbox mailing list
10:30:46B4gderwith the correct to address as well
10:31:07B4gderthey usually don't care about the To: field, which is how we catch 10-20 of these attempts every day
10:31:26B4gdernow I bet I'll have to moderate my own posts ;-/
10:31:44Zagora hundred monkeys typing...
10:32:08B4gderbtw, I have another fancy web script coming up
10:32:14B4gdercheck out
10:32:23GodEateremail is so broken :(
10:32:24scorcheB4gder: so why didnt it go through?
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10:32:45B4gderscorche: the mailing list software requires a valid receipient in the headers
10:32:54B4gderthe mailing list address
10:33:00ZagorB4gder: that looks nice
10:33:38B4gderperhaps front page material
10:37:41B4gderthe css might need some additions to make it fancy
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10:43:03B4gderZagor: care to poke on the css to see if you can make it look nice?
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10:53:58B4gderthe threads are below the svn table atm
10:56:43midkaywhat's "threads" and what's the "first" link for?
10:57:18B4gdera thread is a mail thread
10:57:29B4gderthe first link is a link to the first mail in the thread
10:57:41B4gderthe number is the number of mails in the thread
10:57:52midkayso the actual link is to the latest post?
10:58:09midkayvery confusing stuff.
10:58:21midkayshould be s/"recent threads on the mailing list"/"recent posts on the mailing list".
10:58:49B4gderbut it is recent threads, since it shows the ten most recent threads and not the ten most recent posts...
10:59:01midkaythat's even more confusing.
10:59:33peturmaybe "recent active threads"?
10:59:53peturor "posts on recent active threads"
10:59:58midkayi think it'd be most useful if you made it exactly like "recent svn" activity and just show the ten most recent posts or something. that or the ten most recent threads, and provide a link to first and latest post.
11:00:43B4gderI'll commit the script soon and you'll be free to improve it ;-)
11:01:08midkayi say make it look like the SVN table, make it "recent threads on the mailing list", make the columns "List" (for list posted to), "subject" (with URLs to first and latest post), time of creation and/or latest post, and number of replies or something.
11:01:11B4gderit very often doesn't know the first mail in the threads
11:01:56B4gdermostly because I've written the script to not scan more mails than necessary
11:02:17B4gdersince there are insanely many mails to scan otherwise
11:02:33LinusNwell, if it fails to find the first post, it is surely necessary to scan more mails
11:02:46B4gdernot only
11:02:55B4gderit also fails because the script isn't perfect
11:03:00LinusNof course
11:03:09B4gderlike when people change subject names etc, it fails to figure out the first
11:06:33B4gderand I also think that as always, you need to learn how to read the info for it to be really usable
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11:06:51B4gderI think it works fine to attract people to actions on the lists
11:08:40toedhow can I install the loader2 bootloader? the ipodlinux site seems to be down so I can't find the instructions
11:08:52B4gdertry #ipodlinux
11:09:10ddaltonwhy are you asking here?
11:10:07toedbecause I want it to load rockbox and I've never used ipodlinux
11:10:45B4gderthen we recommend reading and following the install procedure in the manual
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11:13:08*ddalton will leave ipodlinux now because my build is done. And this is a far better channel.
11:13:11markuntoed: I don't know either
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11:21:25desowinmaybe someone should remove support WMA from NODO
11:21:58desowinoh, wait, it's for archos
11:22:09desowinsorry, sometimes I can't read
11:32:27markunmorning DerPapst!
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11:44:53ddaltonIf I put ID2P in a gui_syncsplash will it talk when talk menus is not enabled?
11:45:01ddaltonI know talk_id and talk_value will
11:46:59DerPapstddalton: btw there was a flite port for ipodlinux. and i heard a rumor that someone tries to "re-port" it. but that was already a few month ago ;)
11:48:16*DerPapst still has a talking ipodlinux on his 3rd gen iPod
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11:50:27DerPapstmoin fxb :)
11:50:46fxbmoin DerPapst :)
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11:56:03pixelmaLinusN: around?
11:58:13*bluebrother notices the "Recent Threads" on the front page
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11:59:01bluebrotherbut why not use a nice table similar to the svn log one? It looks a bit out of place currently.
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12:02:01BigBambiAlso, for the threads on the front page I think it would make sense to swap the subject and date columns
12:02:15BigBambiSo the sidebar isn't so big and the subject has more space
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12:03:09bluebrotherwhy not use a sorting similar to the svn table? Date, Author and then Subject
12:03:49BigBambiAlso fine, but I think a short field should be first in the sidebar
12:03:57BigBambiAs we both have said
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12:04:47DerPapstafaik the script is in svn.. feel free to imporve :P
12:05:04ddaltonLinusN: Do you know if ID2P splash screens will talk? When voice menus is on no.
12:05:53BigBambiI thought website stuff was seperate
12:07:36LinusNddalton: no, only when voice menus is active
12:07:39bluebrotherBigBambi: yes ... it's a different svn module
12:07:53BigBambiah, ok
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12:09:52ddaltonLinusN: thanks
12:10:23DerPapstthe script isn't in svn yet ;)
12:10:30*LinusN doesn't really appreciate the "Special Offer" thread on the front page
12:10:55ddaltonLinusN: Why don't we just right in the talk_ functions to only voice if voice menus is on.
12:11:04ddaltonwouldn't that save a lot of coding?
12:11:40LinusNddalton: makes sense
12:12:01ddaltondo you want me to write a quick patch up to do that?
12:12:19ddaltonbecause I have made the alram talk on the ipod and it requiored about for if statements.
12:12:20LinusNddalton: it could be that the talk_ functions may be used for other voice options
12:12:34LinusNlike file numbering
12:13:02LinusNso it wouldn't know which option would apply
12:13:09ddaltonLinusN: ok but surely talk_id could have that code in it?
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12:13:31LinusNddalton: perhaps
12:14:42ddaltonor we could right if menus enabled or file numbering is on or spell is on then voice else don't talk.
12:14:51ddaltont do you think?
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12:16:25ddaltonLinusN: you there?
12:17:14LinusNyes, that might work, but then some items will be voiced when they aren't supposed to
12:17:40ddaltono yeah good point. Something for me to think about.
12:17:56ddaltonbut numbering is only active in the file browser right?
12:18:17ddaltonand is controled by the number option being on?
12:19:14LinusNi think file numbering is only used in the browser
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12:24:49desowinI'm reading wiki, and can Sansa firmware really USB attach/detach without reboot? it keeps rebooting here even when I only put the usb cable in and then unplugged it (without mounting)
12:26:59desowinoh, do you have anything against if I change it to sometimes, and add footnote that it happens only in mtp mode?
12:27:53DerPapstit's a wiki. if someone dislikes your edit they can revert it. so go ahead :)
12:28:04ddaltonso for talk_spell if we say if spell is on then talk else don't talk won't that work? Menus aren't spelled.
12:28:37ddaltonbasically would you call talk_spell if spell is off?
12:28:45ddaltonI can see the problem with talk_value
12:30:46ddaltonanyone here got an ipod with a wake up rtc?
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12:38:23ddaltoncan someone test p7682 for me?
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12:52:58ddaltonLinusN: Are you interesting in committing p6138 and p7647?
12:53:28ddaltonp6138 requires p7647
12:53:33LinusNddalton: i am a little busy right now
12:54:05ddaltonok then. He has just been asking me if I could try and get someone to commit his patches.
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12:57:16ddaltonanyone interested in committing a patch?
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13:00:44fm2GodEater: I've now read the today's irc log and can now understand your phrase with "psychic" :-) Indeed! I hadn't read the previous posts when I asked my question about malloc.
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13:04:54ddaltonGodEater: Is there anything wrong with p7682?
13:06:16GodEaterddalton: if you mean style wise then no - otherwise I couldn't possibly comment
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13:06:36*GodEater isn't a member of the Rockbox patch police yet
13:06:57ddaltonGodEater: do you have an ipod?
13:09:02GodEaterI do
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13:17:16ddaltonGodEater: Are you able to test something for me?
13:17:25ddaltonyou don't need a voice
13:18:06GodEaterddalton: I'm really sorry - I'm really busy at work today - haven't got time to do much of anything rockboxy today :(
13:19:08ddaltonGodEater: ok then I will see if my friend with a nano can help me. It will be very hard though because he is blind. Basically I want to test if it will talk when voice menus is off.
13:19:11ddaltonthe alarm
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13:41:32Lloreanddalton: Why do you want something to talk when voice is disabled?
13:42:18ddaltonI don't I want to make sure it won't talk when voice menus is off.:
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13:43:55ddaltonGodEater: Do you think it has no chance at getting committed like my other patch you closed a couple of days a go?
13:45:06ddaltonI am talking about the alarm patch I wrote.
13:45:10ddaltonjust before
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13:47:48ddaltonGodEater: are you there?
13:49:24LinusNddalton: LANG_ALARM_MOD_TIME will not be spoken with your patch
13:49:53LinusNsince it is used with an snprintf() and not talk_id
13:50:49LinusNso you can remove the voice phrase in the lang file and use str() instead of ID2P
13:50:59LinusNlike it was before
13:51:57ddaltonLinusN: is it spoken further down. Look for the variable "alarm_time_to_go"
13:52:01ddaltonIt is of type int
13:52:36ddaltonwhat is the difference between str and ID2P?
13:53:10LinusNddalton: but that is a different lang id, LANG_ALARM_MOD_TIME_TO_GO
13:56:26LinusNddalton: str() gives you a real pointer to a string, ID2P() gives you a "virtual pointer" created from the ID
13:57:05LinusNit is part of a scheme that lets us pass both ID's and string pointers to some functions
13:57:25ddaltonLinusN: thanks I will fix it
13:58:00ddaltonLinusN: do you think if I can fix this it has any chance of being excepted?
13:58:01LinusNby looking at the code, i don't think it will talk if the voice menus option is off
13:58:21ddaltongood one less thing I have to worry about.
13:58:22LinusNi personally don't see a reason not to accept it
13:58:24Nico_Pbluebrother: here ? I still have my "create voice files" crash in rbutilqt
13:58:32Nico_Pon another computer this time
13:58:59ddaltonI think blind users should be able to get access to it. It may come in as a handy feature.
14:00:02LloreanI think blind users should be able to get access to everything in Rockbox, so I'm all for voicing any screen possible with the exception of maybe the debug menu.
14:00:16LloreanI don't think space needs to be wasted in the voice file for that.
14:01:17ddaltonyeah your prbably right. I would like to know what's in there. Maybe one day I will right myself a patch so I can see what's in there.
14:01:52ddaltonI am about to start work on a patch that will hopefully voice the rest of the splash screens. What do you guys think?
14:02:05*linuxstb looks at the date and sees it's the official end of Google SoC 2007 in 7 hours
14:02:19LinusNddalton: the debug menus are tricky to voice, since they display plenty of realtime information that change a lot faster than the voice can say it
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14:02:59Nico_Plinuxstb: it's actually the survey deadline
14:03:07ddaltonLinusN: do you think voicing the rest of the splash screens would be ok?
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14:03:17linuxstbNico_P: I'm talking about the "final evaluation deadline"
14:03:30LinusNddalton: yes, if they can be voiced
14:03:31linuxstbAfter which, google shares the cash
14:03:38LloreanI kinda wish that the "Scanning Disk" splash wasn't voiced, actually.
14:03:40Nico_Plinuxstb: yes, that's it
14:03:50ddaltonLinusN: did you say get rid of LANG_ALARM_MOD_TIME?
14:03:52Nico_Plinuxstb: and the tshirts :)
14:04:27LinusNddalton: yes, get rid of the voice part of it, that your patch added
14:04:47linuxstbLlorean: Isn't that useful to know that there's a delay at boot?
14:05:10peturFYI, unless anybody objects (PM me) I'm tilting towards passing austriancoder
14:05:34Lloreanlinuxstb: Yes, at boot perhaps. But it also speaks immediately after Disk Mode, when the scanning disk is often gone faster than I can even see it.
14:05:59Lloreanlinuxstb: Which I believe is a background scan anyway?
14:07:29linuxstbLlorean: I guess that's the problem with all splashes - they can be irrelevant by the time they're spoken. That's even the case with some visual splashes - e.g. quick database searches.
14:08:44LloreanUnfortunately there's really no way to do it better. You can't tell how long some of those splashes will be visible in advance.
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14:09:07linuxstbI know....
14:09:15LloreanMaybe an option to interrupt the voice if the splash being spoken is cleared?
14:09:30LloreanI wouldn't suggest it default to on, or you'd get people asking why their player keeps saying "Sca"
14:09:54ddaltonI started on a couple but lost my changes. I did "scanning disk under the info screen" Deleting restarting play back and I think there was one more
14:11:36pixelmaFebs: beat you by 9 seconds ;)
14:12:36preglowjhMikeS: did you ever start on the low-latency dsp thing, btw?
14:13:57Lloreanpixelma, febs: Does the database work on removable / hotswappable volumes right now?
14:14:38FebsI don't know. I assumed that it did.
14:14:46pixelmaLlorean: I think so, dircache didn't work so auto-update would give a problem.
14:15:03*Febs is still waiting for his e250 to arrive.
14:15:08LloreanSo a manually updated database will work, but it'll need to be reinited if the content is removed?
14:15:16pixelmaat least tha basic database works just fine on my Ondio
14:15:58LloreanI'd been tempted to suggest the database earlier when I saw that post, but realized I wasn't sure whether it worked.
14:16:26pixelmadon't you have a Sansa?
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14:17:10LloreanI do, but I haven't used it with database.
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14:18:12LloreanNor have I used MicroSD on it yet. :)
14:18:12ddaltonLinusN: can you have a look at my last comment and tell me if the patch is ok? It is p7682
14:18:23pixelmaI'm quite sure it works, now I remember asking jhMikeS to test a bug I noticed regarding database, removing the volume and update manually
14:18:51pixelma(not initialising again)
14:19:56LinusNddalton: looks allright, apart from some indentation, but that can be fixed by the one who commits it
14:20:40ddaltono sorry about that. Once I get my linux box I will try to get that perfect. Being blind isn't an excuse I know.
14:21:08LinusNddalton: how come you doubled the syncsplash time from 2 to 4 seconds?
14:25:51ddaltonLinusN: so there was enough time for the voice to finish talking. You can change it back and test if you want. I am not sure if that is going to be excepted will it? Isn't 4 seconds a bit long?
14:26:16LinusN4 seconds is a very long time for a synchsplash
14:26:53LinusNperhaps use 2 seconds when voice is off?
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14:27:19ddaltonok I will have a look at that tomorrow
14:27:28ddaltonis 4 seconds ok for when voice is on?
14:28:04LinusNwell, if it takes that long for the voice to finish, yes
14:29:44LinusNsomething is not right in the syncsplash code
14:30:19LinusNah, never mind
14:32:45LinusNddalton: looking at the code, it shouldn't be necessary to increase the syncsplash time
14:36:37delYsidIf I want to voice-enable the chessbox, how much work would that approx. be?
14:36:56LinusNdelYsid: a lot of work, i'm afraid
14:37:15delYsidIf I want to just announce moves, is it still that much?
14:37:20LinusNthere is no support for voice in the plugins
14:37:33LinusNso you have to implement that first
14:37:43delYsidso plugins can not even call the voice_id functions?
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14:39:08delYsidI was afraid the voice-enabling would be half-hearted :-(
14:39:34LinusNwell, it shouldn't be too hard to add support for voicing numbers and letters
14:39:46LinusNfor announcing chess moves
14:40:19bluebrotherNico_P: just returned
14:40:29*Llorean wouldn't call Rockbox's voice support at all half-hearted...
14:40:41Nico_Pbluebrother: ah, I was trying to debug this myself, but haven't been very successful
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14:40:49pixelmasomeone started to write a talking sudoku but unfortunately IIRC he didn't post something to the tracker
14:40:53LinusNbut we really need to find a good approach for voice in plugins in general
14:41:01Nico_Pbluebrother: only thing I know is that it's in InstallTalkWindow::setDeviceSettings
14:41:09LinusNdelYsid: "half-hearted"?
14:41:23Nico_Pbluebrother: at least I'm almost sure of that
14:41:45delYsidLlorean: Sorry, I partly work in the accessibility field, I guess I have different standards :-)
14:41:53bluebrotherhmm. What have you selected for encoder / tts settings?
14:42:01Nico_Pbluebrother: nothing
14:42:05ddaltonWhy can't we just put the talk functions in plugin.h and then call them in our plugins?
14:42:16LinusNddalton: more or less, yes
14:42:20LloreandelYsid: Considering that nearly the full functionality of *Rockbox* is available, and it's more or less the commonly highly sight-dependent plugins that aren't, I still don't see it as half-hearted.
14:42:21bluebrotherdoes the crash happen if you select something in the settings first?
14:42:39ddaltonI was talking to stephane about this the guy who wrote p6159 and he was interested in making a stop watch plugin talk.
14:42:41bluebrotherI suspect this is caused by some empty config values ...
14:42:44LinusNddalton: but the voice files are created from the lang files, and plugins don't use them
14:42:54B4gderddalton: we can, but we need to deal with voice snippets for plugins in a sensible way so that we don't have to load snippest for 40 plugins unconditionally
14:43:31ddaltonSo could we rewrite the talk functions so it loads for example english-pluginname.voice?
14:43:35LloreanB4gder: Couldn't plugins have their own .voice files?
14:43:37LinusNdelYsid: please bear in mind that rockbox is in no way an accessibility project
14:43:44B4gderddalton / Llorean: yes!
14:43:44delYsidLlorean: dont get me wrong, its great that what works works, but if you (as me) depend on it as your sole way of output, you see it in a different light :-)
14:44:12LloreandelYsid: Really? What core functionality of playback are you finding difficult to use? Have you posted a feature request for it?
14:44:12delYsidI am a coder, I'd like to easily write myself a plugin that talsk to me. If that doesnt work, I feel its kind of not really there :-)
14:44:29Nico_Pbluebrother: I typed some things in the executable textboxes and now it doesn't crash
14:44:37LloreandelYsid: You have to remember, plugins often aren't maintained at all. It's not voice that's half-hearted, it's plugins in general.
14:44:49bluebrotherNico_P: ok, I'll try to use some better defaults.
14:45:02delYsidLlorean: ok, we can agree on that then :-)
14:45:02ddaltonIf I add the talk functions to plugin.h and then make it load a separate voice file and then could I just call the talk functions in my plugins?
14:45:03Nico_Pbluebrother: I think what's needed is a check
14:45:13bluebrotheryep, I think that too.
14:45:16ddaltonif I could I might have a go later on tomorrow
14:45:50Nico_Pbluebrother: when the crash occured, profile was ""
14:46:04LinusNddalton: the question is if we want separate voice files or not
14:46:15bluebrotherfunny think is that it doesn't crash for me −− I just get a "path to encoder is wrong" when trying to start generation.
14:46:18Nico_Pbluebrother: (I added a debug output right after line 136)
14:46:31LloreandelYsid: But part of the problem is that it's entirely a volunteer effort. So if it's half-hearted, it's because the people who actually want it aren't doing it, more than anything. :)
14:46:50ddaltonLinusN: the voice file will be very big if it is just one. If you just want one for all the plugins my guess it would be over 4 mb.
14:47:01LloreandelYsid: That being said, I'm sure plenty of people would like voice in plugins where it's suitable.
14:47:22Nico_Pbluebrother: yes, funny, now my "executable" boxes are emty again but no crash
14:47:24Lloreanddalton: Many of the plugins are unusable even with voice, anyway.
14:47:24ddaltonanyway stuff like the text editor won't be able to talk.
14:47:33bluebrotherdoes it show the "invalid profile" string before it crashes?
14:47:35ddaltonanyway got to go
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14:48:18Nico_Pbluebrother: something I might not have said is that it crashes before even showing the dialog
14:48:25Nico_Pas soon as I clisk the button
14:48:44bluebrotherah. Interesting.
14:49:08Nico_Pbluebrother: it crashes somewhere in InstallTalkWindow::setDeviceSettings and prints "ASSERT failure in QSettings: "empty key", file io/qsettings.cpp, line 235"
14:49:20bluebrotheryou're on linux, right?
14:49:55Nico_Pthe empty key is most probably "ttspreset"
14:50:25bluebrotherhmm. An empty key should result in an empty string
14:50:57Nico_Pbluebrother: err no actually, the result of ttspreset being empty is that "profile" is an empty string
14:51:22Nico_Pbut then "devices->value(profile, tr("Invalid TTS profile!")).toString())" probably fails because of that
14:51:54bluebrotherNico_P: does this change help?
14:52:29Nico_Pbluebrother: the thing is that now the crash doesn't happen anymore
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14:52:49Nico_Pbluebrother: I'd need to clear my config
14:53:19bluebrotherI deleted my config too but can't reproduce −− really strange. Maybe it's related to your Qt version? I'm on 4.3.0 here.
14:53:47Nico_Pwhere's the config ?
14:54:53Nico_Pwell when I remove that file the crash reappears
14:55:03Nico_Phow do I know my qt version ?
14:55:19Nico_Pbluebrother: I'll test your patch now
14:55:30bluebrotherjust use the "About Qt" box
14:55:50Nico_Pit says 4.3.0
14:56:04bluebrotherhmm. Really strange.
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14:57:31bluebrothercool :)
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14:59:00Nico_Pbluebrother: I made the changes from your patch and now it doesn't crash and it says invalid profile in the dialog
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14:59:15scorcheso how/when would be a good time to make this site live?...i know jdgordon has a patch that breaks themes that should likely go in svn before the themes site to make updating easier
14:59:15bluebrotherNico_P: ok, then I'll commit that change.
14:59:24linuxstblow_light: Nice work. Is there much left to do on the c200?
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14:59:50linuxstblow_light: Also, what will the install procedure be? Is there going to be a need to update sansapatcher?
14:59:56*petur shows also interest in the song low_light played :)
15:00:28Nico_Pbluebrother: FWIW, somehow your patch refused to apply
15:00:37B4gderrecorded in Sweden, how swell ;-)
15:00:40low_lightI spent 2 days trying to figure out why the i2c wouldn't work on the c200 with the address in the addr used in the OF (0x8c). The e200 uses 0x46...
15:00:55pixelmalow_light: congratulations! :)
15:00:56Nico_Pscorche: what's the patch ?
15:01:01low_lightthen it hit me 0x8c = 2*0x46
15:01:13scorcheNico_P: not sure...something to do with icons, i think
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15:01:17bluebrotherNico_P: hmm. Well, if it fixes it that's ok for me ;-)
15:01:40bluebrotherlow_light: did you also post to rockbox-dev?
15:02:04low_lightfor whatever reason there is an addr conversion in rockbox.
15:02:06pixelmahmm... maybe I need to draw another svg...
15:02:17B4gderpixelma: go go go ;-)
15:02:37aliaskSpeaking of svg's I have one for the gigabeat S
15:02:38LloreanAre there two different versions of the c200 (ie, is there a c200R? Do I need to worry about purchasing one if I decide to later)?
15:02:46low_lightlinuxstb: the buttons need some work & not all the lcd features are enabled
15:02:53LloreanI frequently see c200s very cheap at best buy
15:03:19Soaphow similar is a C100 series? Would you like one to find out?
15:03:28ZagorLlorean: yes, there is a radio and non-radio version
15:03:31B4gderlow_light: did you try the microsd slot of the c200 yet?
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15:03:45*bluebrother adds another fixed issue to the list at RockboxUtilityQt :)
15:04:03Nico_PB4gder: you're blogging like mad! :)
15:04:08LloreanZagor: Is this true in the US, or is that like the e200s in Europe, where the US just gets the +radio one?
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15:04:29low_lightlinuxstb: I'm not really sure how the e200 install works to say what needs to be done to sansapatcher
15:04:31aliaskbluebrother: I noticed a crash when exiting Rbutilqt after applying a language change (win32 binary from wiki)
15:04:39ZagorLlorean: I don't know. I just know there are two versions available here in Sweden.
15:04:43LloreanZagor: Okay, thanks
15:04:46bluebrotherfor anyone interested, I added icons to the device seletion list. Using the scaled svgs looks pretty poor due to the scaling.
15:04:57Nico_PB4gder: your blog was the place I learnt about the latest SiS OOXML news, so thanks
15:05:09Nico_Pvery good news
15:05:10Lloreanlow_light: Well, does the c200 have the hidden disk partition that the e200 has, or do you simply copy over an mi4 and have it loaded to an unknown (as of yet) place?
15:05:10B4gderLlorean: I would assume it's a EU/US thing as it seems there's some customs thing for FM tuners here
15:05:17preglowlow_light: ooh, nice music
15:05:19bluebrotheraliask: will check.
15:05:23low_lightSoap: I think the c100 series is completely different. But someone would need to pop it open
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15:05:25LloreanB4gder: I'm more worried about a version I can't install on at all, than missing radio. :)
15:05:31B4gderNico_P: ;-) you're welcome!
15:05:31preglownow, let the next one be "killing in the name of" please :P
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15:05:55LloreanB4gder: I see 2gb c200s for $50 at best buy often enough that I'm almost *certain* if I'm in there looking for something else, I might walk out with another Rockbox.
15:06:00Soaplow_light: how about I pop one open, scan it, and send it to you if interested?
15:06:01peturpreglow: do we have the same taste in drinks (beer) as well as music ?
15:06:30B4gderLlorean: yes, every true hacker needs one rockbox target for every finger
15:06:39preglowpetur: i wouldn't know, i like almost all music
15:06:40LloreanIt's a sad, sad addiction.
15:06:41B4gderamiconn has many fingers
15:06:53B4gderand linusn and linuxstb...
15:06:58preglowright now i'm listening to latin jazz :>
15:07:03low_lightLlorean: it has the hidden partion. Hold on + rec + insert usb. Then copy the "firmware.mi4"
15:07:18LinusNB4gder: i'm on to the toes now :-)
15:07:32B4gderlow_light: we'd just need a dump of the hidden partition then I guess to verify that it is made like the e200 ones
15:07:35Lloreanlow_light: Is the "hidden" partition simply an "empty" partition (you can see it from the PC if you look at the partition layout)?
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15:10:56low_lightLlorean: the hidden partition only shows up when you do Hold+rec+usb. Rockbox also sees it during disk_init().
15:12:21low_lightB4gder: I don't have a msd card to test...yet ;)
15:12:25Lloreanlow_light: On the e200 we can see two partitions on the Sansa device, one marked as empty, and writing to it directly (dd for example) is possible.
15:12:29fm2How can calculate the number of objects that fit in a buffer of size N? The buffer will then be used as an array. N / sizeof(obj) isn't correct since there might be element alignment. Should I use that as the start value and go down until &buf[n] ist still ok?
15:12:37fm2*can I
15:12:50LloreanSansapatcher injects the Rockbox bootloader into it, leaving the original firmware there, so that dual boot is possible without having to create a merged .mi4 file
15:13:47fm2I mean if &buf[n] is in the buffer and &buf[n+1] is not then n+1 elems fit in.
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15:14:41fm2This should take the alignments into account. Or are there other caveats?
15:16:11low_lightLlorean: it's most likely the same as the e200. I will dump the partition for others to examine.
15:16:47DerPapstnice work low_light :)
15:17:33Lloreanlow_light: It sounds like you use what we call "recovery mode" on the e200. A 16mb fake partition that you can copy a .mi4 or bootloader to (or an empty sansa.fmt file if you wish to reformat) and have it update the 'firmware partition' or flash.
15:17:47low_lightdual boot would be's a pain to copy the OF back to update rockbox
15:17:59LinusNfm2: sizeof(obj) includes alignment
15:19:34fm2LinusN: so just buf_size / sizeof(...) should be enough?
15:19:52fm2LinusN: good! Thanks
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15:21:17low_lightLlorean: yes. it's the recovery mode.
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15:24:17low_lightB4gder: there must be different mi4 keys for the c200. I had to update to the latest OF bootloader to get it to accept the Rockbox bootloader.
15:25:26low_lightB4gder: and Rockbox and mi4code won' t decrypt the newest OF firmware.
15:26:14bluebrotherLinusN: regarding the crash you mentioned yesterday, do you need to use a proxy for connecting to the net?
15:27:06low_lightB4gder: zefie has a bunch of firmware revsisions but I don't know how to extract the keys
15:30:16LinusNbluebrother: yes
15:30:43bluebrotherhmm. I have the impression that it's related.
15:32:39low_lightLlorean: at Best Buy the there was no "c200R" model, but they did say something about being compatible with the Best Buy music store.
15:33:40low_lightHowever the c200 series is also at Target and Wal-mart for probably cheaper
15:36:02B4gderlow_light: do the firmware packages contain the bl.rom (or equivalent) files as well?
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15:37:39B4gderlow_light: any particular mi4 version you want the key for?
15:38:25linuxstbIs the c200 older or newer than the e200?
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15:39:35Lloreanlinuxstb: I believe it's slightly newer.
15:40:11*linuxstb tries to spot the differences with the e200 - is the LCD smaller?
15:40:16low_lightB4gder: how about the 1.01.06
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15:41:17low_lightlinuxstb: lcd is 132x80
15:41:33DerPapstthat's tiny....
15:42:00linuxstblow_light: So it's used in landscape mode?
15:42:11*DerPapst is too much used to 320x240 :P
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15:42:21DerPapstlinuxstb: yes
15:42:22low_lightthe unit itself is about 3 x 1.25 x 0.5 inches
15:43:29bluebrotherhmm, there is something broken with the "mail list activity" −− the gentlemen mail links to the last reply but the "first" to the wrong thread (the gentlemen-mail regarding the ipods)
15:43:43low_lightThe lcd is not the greatest...poor contrast
15:43:49SoapI'm picking up a C140 in an hour ($20).
15:44:10SoapI'll scan it, and make it avaliable to any developer interested after this weekend.
15:45:08LinusNbluebrother: that's because low_light didn't compose a new email, but instead replied to the last gentlemen thread
15:45:28LinusN(against the mailing list etiquette)
15:45:38low_lightSoap: it might be easier to look and see if the firmware are mi4-type
15:45:48bluebrotherreally? It shows in a new thread in the overview (following the "thread" link on that mail view)
15:46:13low_lightLinusN: it was a new email, just the same title
15:46:26LinusNthen i apologize
15:46:27SoapI'll do that too. But I didn't think until you said so that the .mi4 = PortaPlayer doesn't it.
15:46:38LinusNthunderbird sorts it in the last thread
15:46:55Soapthunderbird has an option to "assume" threads based upon subject line.
15:47:06LinusNmy bad then
15:47:37bluebrothergoogle mail does similar (and there's no way to turn that off :(
15:48:48LinusNSoap: would that be the "strict_threading" setting?
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15:51:14B4gderlow_light: I'll need to patch mi4code a bit, so it'll take me a little while
15:51:20B4gderas I' off in a few minutes
15:52:12B4gderI bounced it to mrh to see if he has a few minutes off
15:54:24B4gderI estimate it to be a pretty easy fix
15:58:03elinenbe_workB4gder: you know what else could be on the front page? The wiki updates table as well...
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15:58:54LinusNbusy front page indeed :-)
16:00:13Zagormaybe we should shrink some parts
16:00:26peturcompany drink!
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16:00:46LinusNwe should move some of the news to the "Older news"
16:01:46LinusNalso, i think the list of supported targets should be moved to a separate page
16:02:07LinusNfor some reason, people don't find it when it's on the front page
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16:02:40LinusNit seems people generally don't expect vital info to be on the front page
16:03:31elinenbe_workLinusN: I know what you mean. People don't see what's right in front of them.
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16:03:41LinusNit could be moved to a separate link in the side menu, under "Documentation", we could call it "Supported players"
16:03:44elinenbe_workLinusN: silly rabbits...
16:04:05LinusNelinenbe_work: it's really amazing
16:04:14elinenbe_workelinenbe_work: one thing I think should be done (maybe I'll head it up?) is a nicer defualt look on all players.
16:04:32LloreanLinusN, Bagder_: There's some debate on whether flyspray #6920 should go in. Markun seems to be left alone in objecting (other Gigabeat devs did in the past, but they've wandered off).
16:04:33LinusNit also seems like people don't expect the information to be correct either
16:05:12elinenbe_workif you go to the wiki page about rockbox mentions... every one says how it looks awful at first. There really is no reason to use the recorder default on all players. Especially something like the gigabeat or ipod video.
16:05:27LloreanI want to commit the patch, as I think it both improves one-handed use (well, one-thumb use) and at the same time brings the navigation function more similar to targets with equivalent face buttons. The only real reason for keeping it, afaik, is "it's more familiar to those who used the OF"
16:05:58LinusNLlorean: i agree with you, but only because i never used the gigabeat OF
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16:06:32LloreanI know there's been debate on "consistency vs efficiency" but in my opinion this brings both anyway.
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16:06:41Soapthe gigabeat OF is a perfect contrast to Rockbox. It is eyecandy over functionality.
16:06:53elinenbe_workthe gigabeat OF is crap.
16:07:36LinusNelinenbe_work: i agree about the default theme
16:08:03LloreanIsn't there a patch to set iCatcher as default?
16:08:57XavierGrI think there is one that linuxstb made
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16:08:58linuxstbLlorean: Yes, I made one months ago (about 3 default-theme debates ago)
16:09:03LinusNthe only issue would be if the user hasn't installed the font pack
16:09:16LloreanLinusN: We can include the iCatcher font with the official SVN build perhaps?
16:09:24XavierGroh and yes I agree that 6920 should be commited for consistency reasons
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16:09:58linuxstbLlorean: That's going to need build-system tweaking. It will also be target-dependent...
16:10:11LinusNLlorean: i believe there are still many places where the sysfont is expected to be 8 pixels tall, and also fixed width
16:10:22LloreanLinusN: I didn't mean to replace the sysfont.
16:10:25bluebrotherLlorean: why not move all themes to an extras package which includes the fonts as well?
16:10:39LloreanLinusN: Just have a more minimal selection of "Rockbox core fonts" that go with every build.
16:10:45LinusNah, of course
16:10:46LloreanThen maybe add some more of Rasher's fonts to the fonts extras package.
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16:10:56linuxstbbluebrother: That makes it even harder for us to set a default theme. If Rockbox is booted without the theme/font pack, it will reset itself to the default.
16:11:01Lloreanbluebrother: We still need one default theme, though, and its "necessary" font(s)
16:11:31bluebrotherwell, how about a way to set some sensible defaults using rbutil?
16:11:32LinusNbesides, i'm not really fond of the icatcher theme
16:11:55LinusNi'd like a more "mainstream" look for the icons
16:11:58bluebrotheri.e. provide some "general ipod user" profile and make that require the extras package
16:12:47LinusNi would really like a themable status bar
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16:13:23LinusNmany wps:es emulate a status bar, but i'd like the status bar to look the same in all screens
16:13:29*linuxstb predicts that this conversation will end up with people not liking iCatcher enough to make it the default
16:13:35elinenbe_workLlorean: agreed. I think this should be the default theme: (hehe)
16:14:04Lloreanlinuxstb: I'm the one who suggested it should be default right now. I'm pretty sure I'm the only person here who actively dislikes it, aren't I?
16:14:16XavierGrpoint is that we will never agree on the default, so there must be a process of picking up one
16:14:26LloreanLinusN: There's a color version of our iconset in the wiki, I believe. They're still tiny, but a wee bit nicer looking
16:14:35LloreanLinusN: There's also ports of tango and other icon themes in various sizes that look very nice.
16:15:39LinusNyeah, but we still lack a mechanism for customizing the status bar
16:16:02`sam`elinenbe_work, that theme you suggested... can you read anything on that?
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16:17:19webguest44hi could someone give me a little help with rockbox ?
16:17:36webguest44i have successfully installed rockbox
16:17:52webguest44if i reboot the player windows says unkonwn device
16:18:04webguest44i expect that i might need a special driver ?
16:18:13webguest44is there anyone on the rockbox site ?
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16:18:39webguest44i.e. a windows driver identifieng the rock box ?
16:18:43elinenbe_work`sam`: I was just kidding
16:18:51linuxstbwebguest44: What kind of mp3 player do you have (Archos, iriver, ipod, ...) ?
16:19:08webguest44its a sansa 200 version
16:19:15`sam`webguest44: it should detect it as like a usb drive or something like that... have you tried unplugging it and plugging it back
16:19:25webguest44yes i did
16:19:34webguest44it just states unkown device
16:19:37linuxstbwebguest44: You need to start the sansa with the original firmware in order for usb transfers to work - Rockbox doesn't implement usb yet.
16:19:47`sam`oh well nm, linuxstb is helping you and would know more than me
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16:20:07webguest44ok thats fine
16:20:31low_lightI had a look a while ago at customizing the status bar and I think it
16:20:51low_light's possible ot use the existing wps token system
16:21:04`sam`elinenbe_work, oh ok, my bad, i didn't even notice the (hehe) at the end :)
16:21:59linuxstblow_light: jdGordon and Nico_P were also talking about extending the wps token system for the recording and FM screens yesterday.
16:22:32morrijrlow_light: would you add a token along the lines of <insert menu here - x lines high>? Then you could put the status bar on the bottom too...
16:23:04morrijror as well if you like :)
16:24:20*Llorean 'Oops'-es
16:24:37LloreanNote to self: Double check as to which .patch file you applied. :)
16:26:22low_lightmorrijr: Things like that might be possible if/when "viewports" become a reality
16:26:43morrijrlow_light: humm, was just thinking that
16:27:44LinusNviewports is the holy graal of gui customization :-)
16:27:57BigBambiLlorean: Thanks very much :) I feel so proud...
16:28:21LloreanBigBambi: I made a change to it.
16:28:32BigBambiWhat is different?
16:28:36LloreanYou put "Pause" on the power button, I put it on 'A' which is nominally the 'Play' button anyway
16:28:55LloreanOr, maybe not you, whoever last synced it at least
16:28:58*amiconn notices the c250 'ladies and gentlemen' mail :)
16:29:29LloreanBigBambi: Power is still "Stop", "Select" leaves the WPS, and "A" pauses playback.
16:29:39BigBambiThat's how I had it
16:29:48BigBambiMaybe the last person to sync it changed it
16:29:58BigBambiBit odd that
16:30:06BigBambiAll I did was swap A and select
16:30:09LloreanThe first version of the patch shows a swapping of Power and Select, rather than A and Select.
16:30:20LloreanI think the last person to to sync it reverted it to that.
16:30:43BigBambiI started like that then changed through other button changes and discussion
16:30:46LloreanEither way, it's A and Select
16:30:57BigBambiSo I think what you have put in is what I wanted (and all bar mau
16:31:02LloreanAnd the manual is updated to reflect this.
16:31:08BigBambioops - maybe the first patch did
16:31:13BigBambiAnyway, cheers :)
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16:49:27Nico_PLlorean: I think you forgot to add BigBambi to the CREDITS file
16:49:54LloreanGood point
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16:52:12FebsLlorean: will you post an announcement to the forums and the user list about the change of button assignments?
16:53:02Nico_PThat's definitly MajorChanged material too !
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16:53:23webguest44hmm i need again help with my sansa
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16:53:35webguest44i would like to play AAC files
16:53:47linuxstbWhat's the problem?
16:53:57webguest44i see the files
16:54:08webguest44but after pressing play they dont start
16:54:14webguest44i choose from file menu
16:54:26webguest44mp3 is working right now
16:54:30linuxstbWhat extension do they have?
16:54:42webguest44they play on the computer
16:54:48webguest44in winamp
16:54:58linuxstbThat probably means they're raw aac files - Rockbox doesn't support that. They need to be in an mp4 container - normally called .m4a or .mp4
16:55:16webguest44hmm ok, just renaming them dosent work ?
16:55:21webguest44i need to recode ?
16:55:44LloreanFebs: I've sent to the user mailing list now. Do you think it really needs a forums post in Announcements? It seems a little minor for that.
16:56:08linuxstbYou need to put them inside an mp4 container. I think mp4box can do that for you -
16:56:24linuxstb(but I've never used it, so can't help apart from to point you at its documentation)
16:56:32webguest44ah ok thats perfect
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16:57:05linuxstbIf you search the Rockbox forums, you may find discussion of it - I'm sure you're not the first to ask about raw aac files.
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17:08:00Nico_Pin TargetStatus, shouldn't the iriver iFP be moved to "new ports" ?
17:09:35LloreanNico_P: Possible even Inactive.
17:09:59`sam`any recommendations for which TTS engine to use?
17:10:21linuxstbNico_P: I moved it to new ports.
17:10:31Llorean`sam`: Windows or Linux?
17:11:16Llorean`sam`: My first suggestion is to use espeak with the mbrola voices
17:11:47LloreanIf you can't get that working, espeak on its own tends to offer a somewhat metallic, but well enunciated and pronounced voice, while festival sounds a bit more human but seems to have pronunciation problems (to me)
17:12:25`sam`i've used festival and flite on my computer before, never tried espeak
17:12:27Nico_PLlorean: maybe a link to tha announcement and/or more detail about the change would be nice in MajorChanges, esp. since it's now available as an RSS feed
17:13:04`sam`i was just wondering if festival was slow when used in rockbox also, because sometimes it takes a few seconds
17:13:36Llorean`sam`: It doesn't matter which you use on the PC, you create pre-recorded voices for Rockbox, so speed is always equal
17:13:59`sam`ok thanks Llorean
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17:37:16*GodEater moves one posting closer to overtaking saratoga in the stats...
17:38:24LloreanWhat? Where?
17:38:31GodEateron the forums
17:38:41LloreanIt says he's got 1050 to your 987
17:38:58GodEateryep, and it's said 1050 for him for the last couple of days
17:39:05GodEaterso I am in fact one posting closer...
17:39:17GodEaternot within "one posting" yet
17:39:19GodEaterbut getting there
17:39:29LloreanMisread your first statement
17:39:42GodEaterI think you're well out of sight of me though :)
17:40:26LloreanI don't think I'll ever quite reach 10% though
17:41:17GodEaterno - that would be quite hard work
17:41:27GodEaterand it's nothing something I'd personally be striving for either
17:41:40LloreanI'm not
17:41:52GodEaterglad to hear it
17:41:53LloreanI answer posts as they come up, but I keep watching to see if I'm getting closer or further once I realized I was near it.
17:42:21LloreanThe further I get from it, the better actually
17:42:42LloreanIt means more people helping each other out quickly, and less cases of me spending twenty posts going back and forth in one thread.
17:44:14GodEaterwonder what your post count would be if we take out all the "Please read the posting guidelines" ones you make ;)
17:45:40Gunrunguys I have a problem with a theme, on the site I am getting it off ( it looks a lot different to mine, with better icons and the like
17:45:57Gunrunis there a switch somewhere I need to use to turn on the new icons?
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17:46:59SoapC100 looks like C200 w/o SD slot.
17:47:07SoapI'll play with it more after work.
17:47:47*GodEater is a blithering idiot
17:48:01LloreanGodEater: That makes up a good thousand or so, I'm sure
17:48:07GodEaterLlorean: hehehe
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17:49:44*GodEater goes to the pub
17:52:30Gunrunok, so my database just finished building
17:52:43Gunrunnow every song I play causes a crash after about 15 seconds of play time
17:52:52Gunrunanyone know what is going wrong, or how I can fix it?
17:53:04linuxstbipod Nano?
17:53:46Gunrunit sort of makes a fssht noise and then crashes
17:54:00linuxstbDoes the Apple firmware work OK?
17:54:31webguest44Decoder using libfaad (from FAAD2) checked into SVN. Now running in realtime on the h120 and ipod targets, but could still do with further optimisation to reduce the boost level.
17:54:45webguest44aac files should play
17:54:57webguest44do i need to start an extra player for it ?
17:55:11Lloreanwebguest44: They have to be in MP4 containers.
17:55:11webguest44or is it really to recode all files to mp4 container ?
17:55:16LloreanIt's not recoding
17:55:24webguest44ok recontainering
17:55:30LloreanIt's like putting a DVD in a case. The DVD is still a DVD, it's just in a box now.
17:55:39webguest44jup i understand
17:55:41LloreanAAC files should be in MP4 containers anyway, and most commonly are.
17:55:44LloreanSo yes, you have to.
17:55:46webguest44just a a diffrent framing
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17:57:03Gunrungah this is frustrating
17:57:25LloreanGunrun: Did you first install Rockbox today?
17:57:40GunrunI had some instructions from a friend on how to do it
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17:57:58Gunrunbasically I installed the ipod bootloader thing, then built the database
17:57:58LloreanGunrun: So, you didn't follow our manual?
17:58:09GunrunI'll go do that then
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17:58:36Gunrunwill I need to unflash the firmware, and start over?
17:58:40LloreanIt's important you're using the most up to date files. Did you use ones downloaded from our site today, or ones your friend gave you or from somewhere else?
17:58:46LloreanYou don't flash on the iPod, at all.
17:58:49Gunrunthe ones from the site today
17:58:56AlexMaxHi, I'm having a problem with my installation of Rockbox on my 30G ipod video. I was playing music today and I cut the thing off before I went into a meeting. When I got out of the meeting, I tried to cut it on, but with no results. I got home, and have the thing plugged in for about 10 minutes now and there's still no signs of life. Did I just brick my ipod?
17:58:57GunrunI mean put the bootloader on
17:58:59Gunrunnot flashing it
17:59:07LloreanGunrun: And you're using an official build, not a modified one from somewhere?
17:59:12linuxstbGunrun: You installed the bootloader by running ipodpatcher.exe and then selecting "i" for install ?
17:59:16Gunrunfrom the main site
17:59:27sbeh[sansapatcher] Hi, I would like to build sansapatcher on my own, but it needs a .mi4-file, the files from are too old, my firmware is 1.02.18E, how can i create a newer .mi4-file?
17:59:28Gunrunno, I had tried iPodLinux yesterday
17:59:32Gunrunand that gave me a bootloader
17:59:36Gunrunand I put uh...
17:59:37Gunrunone second
17:59:52GunrunRockbox @ (hd0,1)/.rockbox/rockbox.ipod in my loader.cfg
18:00:01AlexMaxNevermind, turns out I was hitting the wrong button to turn it on >_<
18:00:06AlexMaxsorry to bother
18:00:11linuxstbsbeh: The mi4 file is the Rockbox bootloader. It's available here -
18:00:14AlexMaxgreat software btw \o/
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18:01:00linuxstbGunrun: The ipodlinux bootloader (at least some versions) are known to not be able to load Rockbox. You should try the Rockbox bootloader.
18:01:17Gunrunhow do I remove the ipodlinux bootloader?
18:01:29LloreanJust follow the Rockbox install instructions in the manual, and it'll replace it.
18:01:33linuxstbYou don't need to - follow the Rockbox install instructions in the manual, and that will replace it...
18:01:36*linuxstb types too slow
18:01:42sbehlinuxstb: ah ok, why do they all have to same name?
18:01:50sbehlinuxstb: and is this bootloader the uptodate-version?
18:02:37linuxstbsbeh: It's the latest released version, yes. It's not recommended to use untested (i.e. svn) bootloader (not even developers do), but you could build it yourself from svn if you really wanted to.
18:02:56sbehlinuxstb: ok.
18:03:52linuxstbOut of curiousity, is there a reason you want to build sansapatcher yourself?
18:04:03Gunrunlinuxstb same issue
18:04:13sbehlinuxstb: i'm on freebsd
18:04:25linuxstbsbeh: OK - that's a good reason...
18:05:08krazykitsansapatcher won't work on freebsd's linux-compatability thing?
18:05:10linuxstbI'm not sure how well tested it is on freebsd, but it _should_ be OK.
18:05:36sbehkrazykit: the code has parts for freebsd
18:05:52sbehlinuxstb: I did it already earlier, it works great :P
18:06:45linuxstbThat's good - it's based on ipodpatcher (a very similar utility for ipods), and someone tested ipodpatcher on freebsd, so that's why it's OK.
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18:09:18webguest44hmm ok i tryed to yamb aac to mp4 its not directly working oO
18:11:46Gunrunalright followed the install inscructions, am now rebuilding the database
18:11:53GunrunI hope its sorted out now
18:12:25Gunrunwould having a particularly large database cause the problem I am having?
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18:18:43linuxstbwebguest44: Did you search the rockbox forums for help?
18:20:56Gunrunaha I can see the error!
18:21:15Gunrunit says "prefetch abort at D23265E8"
18:22:13LloreanGunrun: Are you definitely using the Rockbox bootloader? No text at all until the Rockbox screen shows, no menu to select what to load?
18:22:39GunrunI can install it again if you want?
18:23:20LloreanYou used the ipodpatcher.exe downloaded from, and not the one you'd used before?
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18:25:04Gunrunsorry, you quit out
18:27:42Gunrun shall I try this?
18:28:06GunrunI mean I know it is on the IRiver forums, but still
18:28:11Gunrunas I said I am brand new to this
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18:30:01pixelmano, that should be something different. But I have a question for you: do you have a 30GB or a 60GB/80GB Ipod and what build did you install exactly?
18:30:10Gunrunits a 30gb one
18:30:18Gunrunand I got the latest build off the rockbox website
18:30:22Gunrunfor the 30gb one
18:30:36Gunrunoh god maybe I didn't
18:30:38Gunrunlemme see
18:31:08Gunrunok I'm an idiot
18:31:15GunrunI got the 60/80 one
18:31:34pixelmatry the 30GB then :)
18:31:39GunrunI am doing now
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18:31:57GunrunI hope I can go back to the linux one so I can use iBoy
18:32:09Gunrunthe rockbox gb emulator isn't that fantastic to be honest
18:32:52Gunrunto the linux bootloader I mean
18:33:02LloreanWell, nobody who wants a better gameboy emulator actually works on it.
18:33:11`sam`yeah, but rockbox will play media files :)
18:33:12Gunrunwell if I could code I would do it
18:33:15Gunrunbut I can't
18:33:25pixelmaand Rockbox is a music player in first place
18:33:27LloreanAh, but if everyone just says "I can't" it'll never happen.
18:33:35LloreanIf they say "I can't right now, but I'll work on learning" then it will one day
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18:37:17Gunrunis there a way to have rockbox running while its plugged into the PC?
18:37:23Nimdaei just don't see rockbox as a gaming platform >.>
18:37:36NimdaeGunrun: yes, but you won't be able to access it from the pc
18:37:56GunrunI don't care, I can boot into the standard firmware, just I listen to my iPod through my dock
18:38:12Gunrunand as it stands when I put it in the dock it boots into disk mode
18:39:05Nimdaepress and hold the menu button, then connect it
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18:40:50Gunrungetting a USB device not recognised error but no worry
18:41:48Nimdaeyeah, it does that
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18:46:49NicoPDomonoky: here ?
18:49:01GunrunIt worked
18:49:10Gunruncheers everyone that helped
18:49:18webguest44webguest44: Did you search the rockbox forums for help? −−-> yes i did search
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18:54:21NicoPIn case I don't get to come back here today... I'm using rbutilqt on windows right now with slow USB and the zip extracting freezes the app. It looks like it's crashed because the windows don't get repainted
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18:55:10NicoPoh damn forget that I just saw it has been fixed in SVN
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18:55:50linuxstbwebguest44: You could try talking to Lear next time he's online - he's done a lot of work on the AAC codec in Rockbox. Apart from mp4box, my only other suggestion would be to see if foobar could convert for you.
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19:06:13amiconnThe 'USB device not recognised' problem should be fixed asap imo
19:07:46Gunrunits probably a windows side bug
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19:07:57amiconnIt's a rockbox bug
19:08:32Lloreanamiconn: With the existing USB code, couldn't we have it connect to the PC and remain inactive?
19:08:41LloreanWhen menu is held, that is.
19:08:55amiconnFixing that bug is possible without using the usb stack at all
19:09:07amiconnCurrently, we enable the usb controller just enough to detect usb
19:09:44amiconnHowever, if we detect usb and USB_POWER_BUTTON is held, we should *deactivate* the controller until unplug
19:09:58LloreanCan we detect unplug while it's inactive?
19:10:03amiconnUnplug can be detected via GPIO, without using the controller
19:10:14LloreanThat'd probably fix the retry-issue too
19:10:22amiconnThe controller is only needed to detect USB power only vs. real USB port
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19:11:02amiconnAnd we could also save power by not activating the USB controller at boot, but only if we detect a plug-in via GPIO
19:11:11LloreanSounds like a good idea too
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19:15:24amiconnI.e. (controller inactive) -> GPIO USB plug-in detect -> USB_POWER_BUTTON held ? just go to USB charging : (enable controller -> decected true USB ? go to USB mode : just go to USB charging)
19:15:26*linuxstb just realised why austriancoder could delete the usb_device_init code on the Sansa - it's run from the rockbox bootloader (but only for Sansa).
19:15:52linuxstbamiconn: I'll have a go at that now.
19:16:27amiconnAnd if we find the USB controller clock source bit in DEV_EN, we could save more power...
19:17:04amiconnOh, in the last 'USB charging' case I forgot the (deactivate controller) step
19:17:57amiconnThat should fix several issues at once. (1) 'USB device not recognised' (2) save power (3) remove the need to hold MENU for extended times
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19:27:47Soaphas the usb controller always (as old as the PP ports) been enabled "just enough to detect USB", or is that a more modern developement?
19:28:22SoapI guess what I'm really asking is... "After said USB changes are made - is there believed to be enough change in power consumption to warrant another round of battery_bench tests?"
19:28:32LloreanSoap: I believe that was when we started differentiating between USB and wall-power
19:28:39linuxstbIt's relatively recent - about 6 months or so ago.
19:29:17SoapThat is when (what LL said) I assumed it happened, but I didn't want to assume...
19:29:19linuxstbIt's based on the early work barrywardell did after MrH made the discovery that the USB controller was the same as the i.MX31
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19:36:44Nimdaeit was earlier than 6 months
19:37:01Nimdaei know that because it happened while i was at my last job over 9 months ago
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19:38:34linuxstbNimdae: SVN is telling me it was 4 Feb 2007
19:38:58Soapbut can you trust that shady SVN character?
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20:13:14BjerrkHi.. What do i do if i wrecked the ipods partition table (and the partitions), and i get the "Use iTunes to restore iPod"-error when turnig the ipod on?
20:15:27BjerrkFigured it out myself :P . fdisk did the trick
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20:21:53Gunrunis there a way to turn off the fade on pause?
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20:25:30GodEater_Gunrun: yes, it's detailed in the manual
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20:43:30GodEater_would it be too much to ask a mod to kick kubrick till he sorts his connection out and stops spamming the channel ?
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20:48:01GunrunGodEater_ cheers, I dunno how I missed that
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20:48:33GodEater_there's a lot to Rockbox. It can take a while to learn it all.
20:48:46Gunrunby the way I saw it advertised somewhere that rockbox did gapless playback? does it actually have it or does it just have crossfade?
20:49:15GodEater_no it does gapless too
20:49:32GodEater_you'll have to turn off crossfade to get it of course
20:49:57Gunrunhmm I can't find the word gapless anywhere in the manual
20:50:08GodEater_Gunrun: that's because it's not optional
20:50:24GodEater_it's ALWAYS there, you just can't hear it if you're crossfading...
20:50:26Gunrunso I turn off crossfade and gapless automatically comes on?
20:50:41peturif you do not like gapless, use the original firmware :p
20:50:50Gunrunwell the original firmware has gapless too
20:50:56GunrunI like gapless playback anyway
20:51:19Gunrunanyway I think rockbox is going to move to the top of the bootloader now I know it has gapless playback
20:51:24GodEater_for true gapless mp3 playback, you need to use LAME as your encoder and use its gapless option when encoding
20:51:42LloreanGodEater_ Not quite
20:51:42GodEater_vorbis and flac don't matter in that respect
20:51:47GodEater_Llorean: no?
20:51:49LloreanLAME automatically adds the gapless info, I thought
20:52:06peturrecent LAME versions IIRC
20:52:11GodEater_Llorean: how can it ? you have to make sure it encodes the tracks in the right order I thought ?
20:52:21LloreanThe gapless option is for actually splitting at frame ends rather than where the track ends, so it can play gaplessly even on players that don't recognize the LAME tags
20:53:06LloreanGodEater_: Nope. For Rockbox gapless, we use the LAME tags. Which means any wav, when converted to an MP3, has extra silence at the end because of the MP3 weakness, but LAME knows it's there, and lets us know with a tag.
20:53:17LloreanSo we skip silence, but only the silence that MP3 adds due to its nature
20:53:45GodEater_I'm 0.0001% more knowledgable
20:54:11LloreanIf you use the gapless option, it actually splits in slightly different places, so that as long as you play the MP3s in order they'll be gapless, but if you play them out of order you'll get some problem bits where tracks are very slightly in the wrong file
20:54:12peturso that makes 2.0001% now :p
20:54:28GodEater_petur: :P
20:54:41LloreanSo the gapless option is necessary for say, the Archoses, but not really ideal for the other players.
20:54:49GodEater_petur: you're generous to rate me that highly :)
20:54:51LloreanJust using a current version of LAME is good enough there. :)
20:55:02*petur blames the beer
20:55:16LloreanAssuming I understand the whole situation properly, but I *think* I do.
20:55:23GodEater_Llorean: is that documented somewhere, because I've converted numerous dance albums now using that gapless option in the mistaken belief it was required :)
20:56:46GodEater_I must have stupidly read the Archos bit
20:56:51GodEater_what a dumbass
20:57:16LloreanWell, I'm not sure when the "correct" information was added for swcodec
20:57:36LloreanI believe now the same holds true to iTunes encoded AAC (they have similar tags to LAME MP3) but I'm not sure yet.
20:57:57LloreanI just stick to either flac or vorbis if I need gapless. :)
20:58:19*petur has no issues with mp3 gapless
20:58:29GodEater_nor me
20:58:45GodEater_I just appear to have taken steps which were unnecessary
20:58:47LloreanWell, I just stick to flac or vorbis anyway. ;)
20:58:55GodEater_March this year is when it was clarified it seems
20:59:04GodEater_I think I read it a while before that
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21:03:56sansauserHey I just wanted to thank you for rockbox on my sansa e260, running awesomely. I am very glad about that I can set the volume lower than with the official firmware, because i mostly use my mp3 player to sleep. I hope you get enough response from sansa users!
21:04:10sansauserg2g cya l8er
21:04:27*petur waves
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21:06:28desowinyea, sansa OF firmware is crap, especially when it comes to volume - normal and high and very limited range
21:09:49amiconnLlorean: The -nogap option isn't needed for swcodec, but it doesn't hurt either (unless you can hear the track start being off by max. +/- 26 msec
21:10:02Gunrunis it just me or can my iPod go much much louder with this firmware?
21:10:30amiconnAnd btw, while the lame tag specifies where the track ends exactly within the last frame, the rest of that frame is not silence if you play it
21:10:33Lloreanamiconn: Which is pretty unlikely in nearly all cases.
21:10:45LloreanThe hearing the +/- 26 that is
21:11:29*amiconn does all gapless album mp3 encoding with -nogap, in order to have it compatible with both hwcodec and swcodec
21:13:30amiconnAnd afaik AAC does have the same framing problem (so much for the "advancedness")
21:14:24Lloreanamiconn: Yeah, that's why iTunes uses gapless tags similar to LAME iiuc.
21:14:49amiconnvorbis and wma don't have that problem
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21:28:10peturI added a simple finction call (for backlight) to a plugin and now it gives me data abort at 48B20 which is somewhere in the core (?)
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21:34:51hachiI'm having troubles getting my ipod to charge with rockbox... If I supply Vcc and Ground on the USB lines, leave the D+ and D- lines unconnected, rockbox seems to ignore the power and not charge the battery
21:35:23hachiyeah, still draining from the battery
21:35:34hachibut if I reboot into the apple firmware, it charges just fine
21:38:37hachiif I connect D+ and D-, then for a moment I get to see the charging status flash into rockbox, and then I'm rebooting into disk mode... if I hold down menu for a while, it prevents the data line setups, but if I ever exit from that screen it sets up the data lines the next time the host OS probes them
21:38:59hachiwhich as far as I can tell is something linux likes to retry
21:39:51hcsI haven't played with things at the wire level, but I find that chargers that don't trigger disk mode don't show as charging, either
21:40:08LloreanYep, my Nano charges without showing charging on the Griffin charger.
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21:42:20hachimaybe it was charging, but for the little bit of time I watched the battery meter it was dropping... went down 2% over the course of a few minutes while it was plugged in
21:43:09hcsit doesn't seem to charge over USB while in rockbox, only with independent chargers
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21:43:28hcsit may get a little current, but not enough to sustain it
21:43:37hachiwhat's an independant charger?
21:43:53hachiand I think it gets plenty of current, the apple firmware charges justs fine in the same wire setup
21:44:12hcsplugs into the wall
21:44:19hcsapple firmware also uses less current...
21:44:46hachithose chargers use the +5 and Ground lines in the USB cable...
21:44:50hachiit's the same wires
21:45:21hcsbut not limited to the 500mA of USB, no?
21:45:50hachibut I'm charging on a real USB port right now, which means it's limited to the 500ma of USB
21:45:55hachiand it's saying 'charging'
21:46:09hachiI just have to hold down the menu button for like 60 seconds while linux times out
21:46:47hcsI don't know.
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22:59:32Lloreanpixelma: I tried to make the post fairly clear, but I guess I should've included a "On all other screens, these buttons remain unchanged."
23:00:35pixelmaI also wondered if "WPS" is a known abbreviation (to him) that's why I added the last sentence
23:01:19LloreanI think he just missed it, I'm pretty sure he knows it.
23:02:52pixelmahmm... it was clear to me but then I could read the discussion here before
23:11:36pixelmaBagder_: you around?
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23:22:54peturfor arm, does memcpy also require 32bit alignment or does it do byte access?
23:23:16linuxstbIt does byte access
23:23:33*petur is puzzled by a crash in a puzzle :/
23:25:08peturand enum is always stored ad 32bit?
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23:26:34godesscan anyone tell me how change the rockbox bootlogo before compiling?
23:26:53Gunrunis there a way to delete a track once it is on the iPod?
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23:27:33Lloreangodess: Just edit the bmp file, or replace it.
23:27:41godessi replaced it
23:27:41LloreanGunrun: See the manual.
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23:28:09godessin /rockbox/apps/bitmaps/native
23:28:13godessit doesn't compile
23:28:26linuxstbWhat's the error?
23:28:57godessplugin.c:138: error: ‘gui_syncsplash’ undeclared here (not in a function)
23:29:03godess+ many warnings
23:29:23linuxstbThat's completely unrelated to changing the bmp - what other changes have you made to the source?
23:29:46godessits svn
23:30:05linuxstbSo "svn status" shows that the only modified file is that .bmp file?
23:30:32linuxstb(type "svn status" in the apps/ directory)
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23:32:36godessi created it with gimp on windows, do i have to dos2unix?
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23:32:55linuxstbDid you type "svn status" ?
23:34:22godessit says that i changed it
23:34:37godessdiablo@thomas-pc2:~/rockbox/apps$ svn status
23:34:39godessM bitmaps/native/rockboxlogo.176x54x16.bmp
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23:35:19linuxstbCan you paste (to all the warnings you get when compiling?
23:35:50linuxstbAnd did you try putting the original bmp file back? Does it compile again then?
23:36:09*petur doesn't know where this data abort at 00048B20 in maze comes from :(
23:36:49godessit seems to work now
23:37:08linuxstbpetur: What function is 48b20 in?
23:37:21godessi got a new svn, maybe i changed something i forgot
23:37:26petursomething with core lock or unlock
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23:37:33linuxstbpetur: And can you reproduce it reliably?
23:37:52peturif I remove the yield call it is gone :(
23:38:21peturthe abort came up when I changed code that cannot cause it
23:38:28linuxstbThis is on a H10?
23:38:49linuxstbAh, so it's not SVN maze ?
23:39:01peturno, I was fixing a bug in it
23:39:10linuxstbAnd causing a worse one...
23:39:14petur1 minute job
23:39:22peturthat was 2 hours ago
23:39:28linuxstbWelcome to the PP house of cards
23:40:16godessk it make was successful now
23:41:27godesshow to move the bootlogo up? there are some empty rows at the top
23:41:34linuxstbChange the show_logo() function in apps/misc.c
23:41:43GunrunI have looked through the manual but I can't find anything, is there a way to have the database arange tracks by track number instead of alphabetical?
23:42:27GunrunI found a .patch file that claims to do it but I have no idea how those work
23:43:02godessthank you
23:43:38godessyou have no idea how the patch work, or how to apply a patch?
23:43:46pixelmaGunrun: the database is customisable to quite some extent. You probably find many people around here who use the database a lot (if at all), so the best info you can find I'm aware of is the DataBase page in the wiki
23:43:46Gunrunhow to apply a patch
23:44:03pixelmawon't find that is...
23:44:15Gunrunso how do you sift through tracks then?
23:44:21godessare you using windows?
23:44:29linuxstbI always thought the database sorted tracks by track number by default (when viewing an album)?
23:44:47Gunrunlinuxstb I don't think so
23:44:56pixelmaGunrun: I mostly use the file browser
23:45:00GunrunI am playing an album and it is showing the tracks in alphabetical order
23:45:06Gunrundoes that sort by track number pixelma?
23:45:32godessi've named my album tracks with the tracknumber first, so i doesn't have this problim^^
23:45:34linuxstbIt will sort by filename - so people using the file browser always put the track number at the start of the filename
23:45:48pixelmaif I got the tracknumber in my filename, yes
23:45:51Gunrunwell is there a program that can do that automatically for me?
23:46:11godessi use this
23:46:14godessits great
23:46:47GunrunI'll have a look at this
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23:47:16godessyou need to select the files to rename, and do rightclick -> converter -> tag to filename
23:47:17*petur falls off his chair
23:47:37GunrunGodEater_ is there a way to do that to tracks that are within folders?
23:47:46Gunrunas in just select my entire music folder and hit a button or something
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23:48:10godesswhen choosing the files
23:48:11Gunrunoh, ok this seems pretty simple
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23:48:40godessyou can choose your music folder and may actiate subfolders
23:49:08linuxstbGunrun: I've just looked at the database, and it's displaying my tracks in order, something like "01. Trackname - 03:21"
23:49:23linuxstbDo you have proper tracknumber tags in your files?
23:49:24pixelmaactually linuxstb was right, if I read correctly the default database should sort your tracks in an album by tracknumber
23:49:25Gunrunlinuxstb do your tracks have that number at the start though?
23:49:29Gunrunno, as I said I don't
23:49:41godesswell they need to
23:49:41*pixelma was too slow
23:49:55Gunrunwell I am doing that now, thanks to this bit of software godess
23:50:10GunrunI'll probably need to redo my winamp library but no big loss
23:50:10godessthey need the tracknumber in the tags
23:50:12linuxstbGunrun: How did you expect the database be able to sort if there isn't a tracknumber tag?
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23:50:20Gunrunlinuxstb id3 tags?
23:50:25godesselse mp3tag doesnt have any idea which tracknumber to use
23:50:38linuxstbGunrun: That's what I asked you - do your files have tracknumbers in the id3 tags?
23:50:45Gunrunoh, yes, they do
23:50:49pixelmathe database uses the tracknumber tag for that - if there is none when you enter the album "subfolder" your files aren't properly tagged
23:50:50Gunrunmost of them anyway
23:51:32godesswhich tag is it?
23:51:37godesstrack or tracknumber?
23:51:53Gunrunumm one moment
23:52:14*linuxstb uses flac so can't help
23:52:34godessI'd like to use aac
23:52:45godessbut stupid wmp doesnt support it
23:53:12Gunrunwhy not use something else?
23:53:41advcomp2019winamp supports aac
23:53:52Gunrunor use foobar
23:54:21godessi tried foobar
23:54:30linuxstbUse itunes ;)
23:54:48godessit looks so bad, and this foo_ui_column dowsnt work for me
23:55:20*linuxstb doesn't look at his audio player...
23:55:31godessi want the library to be comfortable and show album art
23:55:45GunrunI just use my friends premade copy of foobar
23:56:00godessdoes it show album art?
23:56:01pixelmabesides foobar is heavily skinnable but that's really off-topic here
23:56:16godessi know, but, as i said, that didnt work for me
23:56:53Proi want to have digicurve wps on my box
23:56:54godesscan i make a script to apply patches?
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23:57:10Prowhich patches do i need for this wps
23:57:12GunrunI wish Rockbox came with a slightly less awful default skin activated
23:57:22peturlinuxstb: if you're interested in trying that weird maze crash, just remove the if(!quit) from above the yield at the bottom of the loop (see comment). I've given up on it for now
23:57:33GunrunI was totally put off the first time I tried it because I thought it wasn't skinnable
23:57:41Proand which source works for the newest patches
23:58:16godessfor which wps do you need patches?
23:58:40linuxstbpetur: I probably won't try it now, but for the record, how do you make it crash? Does it just crash as soon as you start the plugin?

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