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#rockbox log for 2007-09-02

00:00:04rasherI suppose there's a way to do the same? Is diskutil perhaps opensource?
00:00:41rasherI'm less impressed by the "full power of UNIX!" part of OS X by the minute..
00:00:52 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death")
00:02:23*linuxstb_ sighs
00:02:25rasher.. and ipodpatcher just grew to thrice the size?
00:02:31linuxstb_Seems there's this function -
00:02:45linuxstb_But it takes a "volume reference number" to unmount...
00:02:47rasherOr is this ObjectiveC crap?
00:03:14rasherOr whatever the name is
00:03:20linuxstb_So I now need to unlearn the BSD functions and learn the Apple way...
00:03:31linuxstb_I think Apple have moved to xcode, which is gcc-based.
00:04:10rasherWell, gcc supports Obj-C
00:04:40rasherlinuxstb_: might be useful to hang on the the getmntinfo code for freebsd?
00:07:46linuxstb_Well, it will be useful for rbutil.
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00:11:16*bluebrother has linux mountpoint resolve using getmntent working
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00:15:55rasherbluebrother: Neat - same functionality as parsing /proc/mounts?
00:16:08bluebrotheryep, at least for rbutil
00:17:14bluebrotherit's even a tiny bit shorter:
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00:20:44rasherSeems much nicer too
00:21:18*linuxstb_ thinks he will just use system to call diskutil instead...
00:21:59*bluebrother is surprised qt's make install builds designer −− I left it out on purpose :/
00:23:43bluebrotherlinuxstb_, rasher: new rbutilqt linux binary available
00:24:14bluebrotherldd output gotten quite a bit shorter ;-)
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00:32:19bluebrotherhmm. The $Revision$ string used for the version is only updated on changes to that file. Is there any known possibility to get always the most recent revision id?
00:32:29bluebrotheri.e. without calling external tools like svnversion?
00:33:07rasherbluebrother: That runs
00:33:13bluebrothercool :)
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00:33:55*bluebrother does the static build dance
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00:36:23Soapso I don't need to compile it?
00:36:38bluebrotherSoap: nope :)
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00:37:18SoapI have lord-only-knows how many megs of QT libraries I installed for QTScrobbler, and now you're telling me I can't reuse them!@
00:37:36HidalgoDChey can someone help me
00:37:51bluebrotherwell, you can if you want to. Just make yourself a dynamic build.
00:38:02bluebrotherand I guess distro packages will always be dynamic
00:38:12bluebrotherHidalgoDC: not until we know your problem
00:38:14HidalgoDChow, when i connect my ipod to my computer, i can do that my ipod dont run the usb mode, but only the rockbox mode?
00:38:30Soappress and hold "Menu" while inserting the USB cable.
00:38:35bluebrotheryou mean not rebooting to disc mode but charge only?
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00:38:56bluebrotherwell, Soap already gave the solution for that ;-)
00:40:02Soapfor a short while longer, HidalgoDC, you might need to hold the "Menu" button for 10+ seconds to prevent rebooting, but a fix for that issue is shortly comming, and after the fix you will only need to hold the "Menu" button while actually inserting the cable.
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00:56:58linuxstb_bluebrother: I've just added the automatic unmount to ipodpatcher (the easy way - system("diskutil ...")). rbutilqt will now also do it, I'm just testing now.
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00:58:22JdGordonservers still not fixed?
00:58:55linuxstb_No sign of any Swedes all day...
00:59:59JdGordonhow rude :p
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01:00:35Nico_Plinuxstb_, bluebrother: an "eject device" button in rbutilqt would be nice :)
01:01:18*Nico_P sees the commit msg and realizes it's not exactly the same thing
01:01:59`sam`is there anybody working on getting the broadcom video processor to work on the ipod video?
01:02:22Nico_P`sam`: no, because noone knows anything about it AFAIK
01:02:23bluebrother`sam`: no
01:02:44`sam`i wonder if the ipodlinux people have done anything with it
01:02:48bluebrotherlinuxstb_: wouldn't it be good to mount the Ipod after bootloader installation again?
01:03:04linuxstb_For some mysterious reason, that happens automatically...
01:03:14bluebrotheroh? Interesting
01:03:20***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:03:20linuxstb_It seems to take about 10-15 seconds, but then it appears again.
01:03:31rasherApple moment. Weird stuff just happens.
01:03:35*linuxstb_ shrugs
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01:07:18saratoga3is there some easy way for a codec to dump info to the disk?
01:07:22saratoga3from the UI sim that is
01:07:34saratoga3I can DEBUGF, but thats clumsy for large datasets
01:08:00linuxstb_If you're build a sim for a recording target, you have the file i/o functions in the codec api
01:08:17linuxstb_Ah, but probably not on the sim...
01:08:47linuxstb_You could edit apps/codecs.[ch] and enable the recording part of the api
01:09:47linuxstb_(remove the && !defined(SIMULATOR))
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01:13:49yazan_hi all
01:14:17yazan_is there any one from Germany
01:14:45bluebrothera few.
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01:15:48yazan_that has experience with ROCK GIGA DRM MP3 player ?
01:16:01 Quit ender` (" I like work: it fascinates me. I can sit and look at it for hours. -- Jerome K. Jerome")
01:16:34saratoga3do you mean the Gigabeat F?
01:17:37yazan_it is from
01:17:43yazan_du you know it ?
01:17:58yazan_is that Gigabeat ??
01:18:14Nimdaeso today i'm discovering features of rockbox i didn't know it had...and i've been using it for a long time
01:18:16 Join jah [0] (i=4fb43005@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ isn't a website for me
01:19:15jahhey, anyone can give a hand to a rockbox newbie?
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01:20:14yazan_yes, i think this company hat some problems there website dosn't work
01:20:36Soapask a question jah, and we'll do our best.
01:21:00Soapyazan_: if it is not one of the players listed on the frontpage of, Rockbox will not work on it.
01:21:06jahcool, how long am i supposed to wait for it to build the database?
01:21:19jahe200 btw
01:21:24yazan_this was my question
01:22:12saratoga3jah: does a couple thousands for me in a couple seconds
01:22:17Soapahh, so you can't feel the drive spinning, jah. In the menu - has the disk activity indicator icon in the status bar gone off for a few?
01:22:35Soap(assuming you are using a theme which doesn't hide the status bar)
01:22:35Nimdaee200 is flash isn't it?
01:23:13jahcant see any indicator blinking
01:23:20Nimdaeit's probably done then
01:23:36jahso why is it telling me to wait then?
01:23:53Nimdaerestart it and see if it still won't let you use it
01:24:57jahstill telling me the database isnt ready
01:26:56Nimdaesec, gonna set up the db on my ipod and see what happens
01:27:06saratoga3i'd guess you have some corrupted file tags somewhere that are gumming it up
01:27:20jahugh, so what can i do?
01:27:34Nimdaebuilding database gives me a status of the build
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01:27:49Nimdaewhen you go to database, does it ask you to build it?
01:27:55jahyup it
01:28:06jahi am
01:28:13jahand then it gets stuck
01:28:22Nimdaedoes it show a status?
01:28:24*bluebrother notices the time and sends self to sleep
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01:28:30saratoga3jah: you need to figure out which file has the bad tags, I've got no idea how to do that though
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01:29:18jahit says "building database...."
01:29:43Nimdaethat's it?
01:29:52jahand gives a number...
01:30:06Nimdaeand it doesn't count up?
01:30:33jahi does, and after its done it stays in the same mode
01:31:02jahi mean it counts to a number and that's it
01:31:23Nimdaeyeah, i'm in agreement with saratoga3 then
01:31:40jahhave no idea where to start
01:31:56Nimdaei wouldn't know either :(
01:32:04jahthanks anyway
01:32:09RudMan_the number is probably the number of the file that is bad. So do a directory listing and see what file matches that number
01:32:33NimdaeRudMan_: i thought of that, but the number doesn't increment by 1 on my ipod
01:32:42Nimdaeit varies between 3 and 5 at a time
01:32:55jaht stops at 706
01:33:16RudMan_jah: delete all files after 700
01:33:20Nimdaeplus, without knowing the code, i couldn't say how it searches the dir list
01:33:36RudMan_then try it again. if it works then delete the first 700 and load the 2nd 700
01:33:50RudMan_basically do a binary search until you narrow it down to the bad file
01:33:55jahhow? it's sorted by dirs in the drive
01:33:59RudMan_a bit time incentive
01:34:33Nimdaejah: do it this way, take half of the songs off, then build...if it succeeds, do the other half, if it fails, half it down again
01:34:36jahhow to i make the list? each album is in a diffrent dir
01:34:36Soapand you have rebooted your player since building the database?
01:34:57Nimdaetakes a long time but if you find the file, you can fix it, and if it doesn't look wrong, it might be a sign of a bug in rockbox and you can report it ;)
01:35:02jahi waited for a message "build done" or smth
01:35:10Soapand have you rebooted jah?
01:35:23NimdaeSoap: yeah, we tried that, heh
01:35:37Nimdaewow, i didn't think i had 4500 files on here
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01:37:58Nimdaei just caused rockbox to crash
01:38:06NimdaeData abort at 0004C440
01:39:52Nimdaetried to reproduce it and it didn't happen
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01:59:11webguest55Where can I find a list of rockbox new features for iPod Gen 3
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01:59:41webguest55Anyone here?
02:01:12webguest55At least one person can awnser my question?
02:01:29linuxstb_Maybe here -
02:01:49linuxstb_But there are no specific lists for specific mp3 players - Rockbox is the same on them all.
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02:02:28stripwax_webguest55 - 'new features'?
02:03:01stripwax_webguest33 - this help?
02:03:24thegeekI think he means "new features" compared to the original fw
02:03:47stripwax_in the manual, i guess
02:04:20stripwax_more audio formats, gapless playback, better battery life probably being the most obvious 'new features'.
02:05:13stripwax_and games, and maybe video playback too? not sure about 3rd gen.
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02:10:58ddaltonhas anyone taken a look at p7682?
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02:18:01Nimdaewhat's p7682?
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02:18:52Nimdaegoogle tells me it's a potassium bicarbonate insect cell culture
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02:25:47saratoga3ddalton: you might have better luck earlier in the day when people in Europe are still awake
02:29:01*amiconn returns
02:29:29amiconnrasher: Progress output is somewhat broken in that perl now seems to hold back the line in its buffer
02:29:40amiconn(on cygwin)
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02:37:46stripwax_Nimdae - hehe. it's a link to a patch number on the flyspray tracker for rockbox. hope you were joking
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02:39:21 Quit stripwax ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier.") seems my previous crash broke my font
02:41:23Nimdaegood thing i keep backups!
02:42:25Nimdaeok, now this is freaking weird
02:42:32Nimdaehow did my fonts dir get renamed to nonts?
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02:47:19ddaltonok if the quickscreen changes a value of an option is it automatically changed?
02:47:31ddaltonso as soon as the button is pressed?
02:47:38ddaltonfor example left?
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02:49:01ddaltonsaratoga3: When would that be? it is 11 am here.
02:50:15amiconnrasher: fixed.
02:51:29saratoga3ddalton: the IRC logs are in some european time I think
02:51:43saratoga3and its 3 AM according to them
02:52:29saratoga3linuxstb: awake?
02:52:54ddaltonso what at 9 pm here? in about 8 hours?
02:53:48ddaltonis linuxstb on european?
02:54:24ddaltonaren't there americans that would be a wake or are they on the same time?
02:54:28ddaltonwho is a wake now?
02:54:42`sam`i'm awake, but i don't know anything
02:54:56ddaltonwhere are you from? America?
02:55:28`sam`ddalton, yes
02:55:46ddaltondo you know about the quick screen?
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02:56:21`sam`no, what is it?
02:57:03ddaltonit is a quick way to change the repeat, show files and shuffle settings.
02:57:06ddaltoncan you code?
02:57:44JdGordonthe irc logs are in gmt
02:57:58ddaltongmt what?
02:58:01`sam`i know a little c, but i'm new to rockbox, and haven't done any developing on it
02:58:11BigBambiIt is 3 am Central Europe (France, Sweden etc) and 2 am UK time at the moment
02:58:15ddaltonare ok
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02:58:27ddaltonso I have to wait about 10 hours?
02:58:40BigBambi7/8 hrs
02:59:50BigBambiJdGordon: The IRC logs are in Central European Time, which is currently GMT + 2
03:00:05BigBambiBecause of summer time
03:00:07JdGordonyou sure?
03:00:17JdGordonI thought the whole site (irc included was gmt+0
03:00:29linuxstb_They are. It's currently 2am summer time in the UK (GMT+1).
03:00:32BigBambiThey say it is currently 3 am, which is what it is where I am (France) and we are currently GMT+2
03:00:50`sam`ddalton, linuxstb is here now, he might know what you're talking about
03:00:51BigBambiIn winter we are GMT+1 and UK is GMT
03:01:16ddaltonlinuxstb: your up at 2 am?
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03:01:23BigBambiI'm up at 3am :)
03:01:48BigBambiBut I am going to bed. Night all
03:01:57ddaltongood idea!
03:02:26*ddalton Wouldn't like to be on irc at 3 am!
03:03:21linuxstb_It's a dangerous place at this time...
03:03:25***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
03:04:06linuxstb_Just a joke...
03:04:16webguest45Does anyone know if a Rockboxed 5g ipod will still playback via a Tomtom?
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03:05:06ddaltonlinuxstb: Could you take a look at p7682 and tell me what you think?
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03:07:24ddaltonlinuxstb: You there?
03:07:55linuxstb_I'm not the best person to comment on voice things - I've never used it as a user, or done anything with it as a dev.
03:08:30XavierGrwell it is 4 am and I am still in rockbox irc. Hopefully I will live till tomorrow :P
03:08:40ddaltonsince I coded it is pretty basic. It just talks the value of stuff and says one string from english.lang.
03:08:48ddaltonbut anyway I will try later
03:09:27ddaltonwho here knows about voice?
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03:10:40JdGordonddalton: well your probably out of luck seen as the amount of devs here atm..
03:11:12ddaltonJdGordon: do you know about voice?
03:11:26JdGordoni tend to break it more than anything... so no
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03:12:33ddaltonhow did you do that menu thing then?
03:12:49ddaltondidn't you do the conversion to the root menu?
03:13:03JdGordonguilty as charged
03:13:38*JdGordon goned
03:14:50chrisjs169is there a reason why there's now at least three tasks in flyspray that all fix the Sansa LCD problem?
03:15:46chrisjs1697692, 7654, and 7438
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03:19:47saratoga3chrisjs169: the other two are work arounds, but 7692 claims to be a real fix
03:19:53saratoga3haven't tried it though
03:20:00chrisjs169saratoga3, ok
03:23:21sasukeewhat's a recomended theme which has Album Art ability?
03:25:24saratoga3there are no recommended anythings with album art, since its not officially supported yet
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03:29:01chrisjs169i need new earbuds
03:29:49webguest77hi i have a question i have ipodlinux and rockbox on my ipod but for some reason i can't use rockbox anymore. i put linux on it because i heard that i could still use rockbox. can anyone please tell me hoe to do that?
03:30:02webguest77i have a 30gb video ipod.
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03:32:02webguest77please help?
03:32:36chrisjs169it's been a fairly inactive night - i don't have an ipod, but i'll see if I can find some info
03:33:40webguest77ok thank you!
03:34:12chrisjs169 seems to mention booting Rockbox as well
03:35:45webguest77oh i see thank you!!
03:37:02chrisjs169there's some more info at as well
03:37:03chrisjs169no problem
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03:50:27JdGordondo any sansa users here have the problem with the magic disaprearing radio in te main menu?
03:51:58chrisjs169i don't often look at the main menu, but i haven't noticed it disaprear
03:53:05JdGordonchrisjs169: if you have some time, can you try reproducing 7515 please?
03:53:52chrisjs169JdGordon, all I'm doing at the moment is helping my cousin start a photography website, so I can test it right now
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03:54:42chrisjs169JdGordon, so just initialize the database and restart?
03:56:07JdGordonapparently... i just tried it on my dads sansa (mine doesnt have radio), and it works
03:56:09JdGordonso i dunno
03:56:27chrisjs169radio doesn't disappear on mine
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04:26:26dave_Does anyone have a Sansa with an micro sd card
04:26:53dave_How do you mount it with linux?
04:27:06dave_I see it on my mac..and windows but not linux
04:27:12JdGordonusually with my sd card reader...
04:27:20JdGordongimme a sec to plug it in...
04:27:30dave_sd card reader?
04:27:39dave_I did a fdisk -l and it doesnt show on my sansa
04:29:00JdGordonthey come up as 2 seperate disks on my box
04:29:10dave_really on the linux box it shows up as 2 different disks?
04:29:14JdGordonsdb1 and sdb2 are the sansa... sdc1 is the sd card
04:29:15dave_when you do a fdisk -l?
04:29:29dave_let me eject device and try again
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04:37:18dave_Does anyone know rules for udev for it :)
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04:52:30dave_hey do you need a special kernel compile for Micro SD cards?
04:52:41dave_my kernel for some reason doesnt see it (for Sansa)
04:52:55JdGordondoes the sansa show up?
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04:53:06JdGordonthen you shuold be ok
04:53:06dave_The Sansa e280 8 gig shows up
04:53:12JdGordonyou need FAT support
04:53:14dave_I ran dmesg.. it doesnt appear.
04:53:25dave_just the 8 gig partition
04:53:39dave_Can you show me the output of lsusb?
04:53:52JdGordonnot atm, im back in windows
04:54:06dave_i know its not my mp3 player cuz mac/windows can see it fine :S
04:55:32dave_JD: What kernel are you running on?
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04:58:14JdGordon2.6.21-amd64 i tihnk
04:58:50dave_I may be missing some stuff there's some kernel stuff regarding san disk storage in ther..
04:59:17JdGordonFAT16 filesystem maybe? although it should still show up without that
04:59:37dave_ya dmesg doesnt even see it.
04:59:43JdGordonwierd :p
04:59:54JdGordonyou got a micro->regular convertor and a sd reader?
05:00:09dave_im using the sansa device..
05:00:35dave_I'm using gentoo might as well emerge it ;)
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05:00:46dave_the latest kernel.. and see if compiling some new options fix it
05:02:08saratogai really hate code that uses negative array indexes in c
05:02:12saratogastupid ffmpeg
05:02:24JdGordonnegative array indexes?
05:02:30JdGordonsince when was that legal?
05:02:37saratogagcc doesn't complain
05:02:45saratogathe wma codec does tons of it
05:02:48saratogaand i'm about to add more
05:03:11dave_I didnt even know you can use negative array indexes inc
05:03:21JdGordonhang on.. is that like perl where [-1] is the last item? or [-1] is 1 item before [0] ?
05:03:28saratoga-1 is before 0
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05:03:41saratogac just does *(array-1) in that case
05:03:41JdGordonholy cow...
05:03:50dave_But C allows that syntax?
05:03:57saratogait has no way to know
05:04:01saratogatheres no bounds checking in c
05:04:04*dave_ was either not taught that syntax or i forgot
05:04:09dave_oh ..
05:04:14saratogai'm sure they don't intend you to do it
05:04:34JdGordonI was definatly not tought you were alowd to do that!
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05:04:51JdGordon*(array-1) is fine though
05:04:58JdGordonarray[-1] is just wrong ;p
05:06:17saratogathat said, its a surprisingly neat way to handle look up tables
05:09:03*JdGordon needs to get some 4gb microSDHC cards :'(
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05:11:49saratogasandisk really needs to hurry up with the 8GB ones
05:11:56saratogai want a 16GB sansa basly
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05:27:46alienbiker99i want an 8 gb card
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05:30:34saratogaare builds not updating on the website?
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05:37:58alienbiker99has there been any commits?
05:38:21saratogayeah i just sent one in
05:38:31saratogaand my r number is 11 ahead of the most recent build
05:42:13alienbiker99i guess the page isnt updating
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05:49:10Soap8GB? I want a 64GB card.
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05:56:55EnterUserNamei know this isnt the channel to ask but does anyone here know which kernel modules i need to get the Micro SD card to work in Sansa?
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08:37:05alienbiker994th gen ipod on woot for $100
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08:54:09RudMandamn - can you run rockbox on that?
08:55:45scorche(front page lists targets) does
08:57:12RudManbut I'm happy with my $49 Sansa so I'll pass
09:00:25alienbiker99haha, i bought a $50 sansa too
09:02:33RudMangot it from woot a couple of weeks ago
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10:27:12linuxstbbluebrother: Good morning. Are you going to remove rbutil-wx from SVN? Or are you leaving that decision to Domonoky?
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10:37:04bluebrothermorning linuxstb. Haven't thought about that yet −− maybe release an updated Qt version first?
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10:40:37linuxstbbluebrother: Maybe, although I doubt we'll be updating the wx binaries again, so we don't need the source any more (it will always be in svn of course...).
10:42:27linuxstbHow should I integrate my mount-point search in rbutil? I can't think of a reason why the user would need to choose it manually (for ipods, and probably sansa) - is it possible to make it read-only for some targets?
10:43:21bluebrothernot yet. But we could make the mountpoint box readonly if autodetection was successful.
10:43:58bluebrotheri.e. in configure.cpp:555 just add
10:44:01linuxstbAlso, what do you think about adding an "eject" option?
10:44:44bluebrothermight be a nice addon through I'm not too sure if it's that much useful.
10:44:52bluebrotherdo we know how to eject on windows?
10:45:09linuxstbWhat about the mount-point detection itself? Where does that live?
10:45:15linuxstbbluebrother: I don't...
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10:46:32bluebrotherit's in autodetection.cpp. detect() sets its value
10:50:30linuxstbI should implement resolveMountPoint() ?
10:51:43*bluebrother just notices he missed getMountpoints when using getmntent
10:52:17bluebrotheryou need getMountpoints for detection based on files (i.e. rockbox-info.txt and rbutil.log)
10:52:39linuxstbShouldn't it call resolveMountPoint() first?
10:52:47bluebrotherresolveMountpoint is then needed to resolve device -> path
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10:53:01linuxstb(for ipods and sansa)
10:53:16bluebrotherwell, if you detect an Ipod using ipodpatcher is doesn't need getMountpoints
10:53:35amiconnDo we have autodetection for archoses now?
10:53:52bluebrothermaybe we should run ipodpatcher / sansapatcher first and then look after the files on the player
10:53:53*amiconn didn't try rbutil(qt) yet
10:54:20linuxstbbluebrother: That's what I assumed you were doing.
10:54:21bluebrotheramiconn: we can detect the build based on rockbox-info.txt (doesn't work to distinguish between x5 / x5v)
10:54:48bluebrotherand rbutil also writes information to its own logfile rbutil.log, which is also used for detection
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10:55:28bluebrotherlinuxstb: well, Domonoky ported rockbox-info.txt detection. I simply added ipodpatcher / sansapatcher and wasn't considering if that should go first.
10:55:30amiconnI mean for first-time installation
10:56:05bluebrotheramiconn: no, unfortunately not. AFAIU we need USB PIDs for this.
10:56:26bluebrotheror is there a file on the archos players we could detect / md5sum / similar?
10:56:42amiconnNot necessarily, especially as they don't allow us to distinguish some archoses
10:57:03amiconnArchoses can be detected if they have an on-disk firmware file
10:57:25amiconnarchos.mod in the root -> Player
10:57:32bluebrotherso we can detect the brand to be archos but not the player?
10:58:19amiconnajbrec.ajz in the root -> one of the other 5. Then we can check the header for the individual model (scramble.c or descamble.c tells how)
10:58:43amiconnFor Ondios, there's another method even if no on-disk frmware is present
10:59:09amiconnIf there's an ONDIOST.BIN in the root, it's an Ondio FM, ONDIOSP.BIN indicates Ondio SP
10:59:36amiconnThese are the OF's settings files, and are *very* likely to be present, unless this Ondio was never really used with the OF
11:00:14bluebrotherso with Rockbox installed ... we don't have those .BIN files?
11:00:25amiconnNo, but we have ajbrec.ajz
11:00:31rasherWith Rockbox installed, we should have rockbox-info.txt?
11:00:39bluebrotherrasher: yes.
11:00:39rasherUnless it's an old version
11:00:43amiconn(Unless rockbox is flashed - then the user may delete it)
11:01:25bluebrotherwell, I guess we can't detect every possible situation. Standard detection should be a good start.
11:01:31linuxstbbluebrother: The code will be something like this - - but I'm not sure how to deal with QtString. Could you correct that function for me?
11:03:18bluebrotherline 28 or 34?
11:03:32linuxstbAlso, the "startswith" check won't work - devices have a name of the form /dev/disk1, so we wouldn't want to match /dev/disk10. But the "s2" is ipod-specific...
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11:03:42bluebrotherah, I see ...
11:03:47linuxstbbluebrother: Both if they're wrong...
11:05:15linuxstbAnd what would happen if the disk has multiple partitions, all mounted?
11:05:38linuxstb(could happen with IPL users on Linux for example - a FAT32 and ext2 partiton)
11:07:18linuxstbWe should probably aim to do the same as Rockbox - detect the first FAT partition.
11:07:18amiconnThe header checks for archos seem to be fairly simple
11:07:48bluebrotherhmm, that's a good point. Might appear on linux as well.
11:08:34bluebrothercan you find out the type using getmntinfo?
11:08:44linuxstbMaybe appending "s" to the device name, and using startsWith would work better...
11:08:57linuxstbYes, I'm sure one of the fields contains filesystem type.
11:09:12bluebrothermtab has a field for this, so on linux we can use it.
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11:09:26bluebrotherand iirc this needs to be "vfat" in all cases.
11:10:19linuxstbbluebrother: Thanks for the pastebin, I'll test it now.
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11:13:01parafinNils Wallmenius (nls) == n1s here ?
11:18:02linuxstbbluebrother: Seems to work nicely. I deleted the ~/.rbutil/ folder, ran rbutilqt, and both the device and mount-point were detected.
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11:23:04bluebrotherlinuxstb: the settings are stored in a different place than wx does
11:23:33bluebrothercheck ~/Library/Preferences/
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11:24:02linuxstbSo ~/.rbutil/ was from my old wx install of rbutil|?
11:24:28*linuxstb hates the way Apple have changed Unix...
11:24:39bluebrotheryes. Qt has its own handling of the folders. On linux everything is in ~/.config
11:24:55bluebrotherseparated by vendor and application −− we are ;-)
11:25:20bluebrotherQt tries to auto-adapt to the way the OS does it ...
11:25:37linuxstbYes, I'm not blaming you or Qt...
11:27:39bluebrotherwe use UserScope and IniFormat
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11:30:24bluebrotherlinuxstb: do you think we should move ipodpatcher / sansapatcher detection to the beginning?
11:31:07n1sparafin: yes
11:33:09parafinn1s, about #7174, can i tell it here?
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11:47:45linuxstbbluebrother: Yes, I think so. They are a very reliable way to detect an ipod/sansa.
11:48:02linuxstbAnd in the future, that will be where the USB ID detection could go.
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11:54:03linuxstbbluebrother: Does "if (QString(buf[i].f_mntfromname).startsWith(device + "s") == 0) look right (to check if the device starts with, for example, /dev/disk1s) ?
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11:59:21*linuxstb wishes he understood why Mac OS X takes about 3 minutes to mount a FAT32 formatted ipod...
12:01:10bluebrotherlinuxstb: looks good to me
12:01:37*bluebrother remembers a reason for not trying ipodpatcher first: it will detect the video64mb as video
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12:02:03bluebrotherbut once ipodpatcher can detect that properly there's no reason to keep ipodpatcher test last.
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12:03:25linuxstb_Why is that a problem? I mean why does that affect the order of the detection?
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12:04:07bluebrotherwell, if the user installed a video64mb build it will be detected correctly via rockbox-info.txt. Ipodpatcher will just identify it as video
12:04:27bluebrotherunless this has been changed recently (and I missed that change)
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12:04:43linuxstbBut can't you just keep going through the detection mechanisms if ipodpatcher reports a video?
12:05:17linuxstbI'm not sure if I'll be able to add that detection to ipodpatcher any time soon...
12:05:21bluebrotherI could, but it's more code ;-)
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12:05:31peturwhat if the user installed the wrong build by hand and then runs rbutil to do it correctly?
12:05:56bluebrotherhow about that SCSI inquiry thing? Will it be hard to add it to ipodpatcher?
12:06:17linuxstbShouldn't (in the general case) rbutil present a shorter list of options for the user to select from if detection can't narrow it down to a single device?
12:06:57bluebrotherwould be an interesting approach.
12:07:29bluebrotherbut it would require a bit more of work
12:07:37linuxstbbluebrother: It means finding a cross-platform way to perform SCSI inquiry (although I think the IPL installer has some code for that), plus then parsing the returned XML.
12:07:47n1ssaratoga: for the logs I get a warning in wmadeci.c at line 1114 after your latest change when building for h300
12:08:20bluebrotherI'd prefer to have some autodetection for the other players working first.
12:09:06bluebrotherare there any persistent files on iaudio / h10 / gigabeat we could use for a first-time detection?
12:09:23linuxstbbluebrother: And also, thinking about the future, scsi inquiry won't work when the device is using Rockbox's disk mode - unless we go to the trouble of implementing it...
12:10:09linuxstbbluebrother: The gigabeat has the GBSYSTEM folder which is required for the OF bootloader to boot, so you can check those.
12:10:50linuxstbThere's a minimal GBSYSTEM folder (enough to keep the OF bootloader happy and load the Rockbox bootloader) in the wiki - one of the Gigabeat pages.
12:11:12peturlinuxstb: is the scsi inquiry thing only one command or is it something more complex?
12:11:49peturI mean do they use multiple scsi inquiries?
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12:12:08linuxstbYes, it's multiple scsi inquiries, returning a large XML document split into small chunks.
12:12:18peturoh :(
12:12:31peturnot very KISS from apple
12:12:39bluebrotherwe could add our own scsi inquiry for rockbox usb returning something much smaller
12:12:57bluebrotherthat way we could even detect it's rb running ;-)
12:12:58linuxstbSeems the IPL wiki is down, but it's described here -
12:13:57linuxstbbluebrother: Yes. One nice thing would be setting the time on the device if we could send the time to rockbox...
12:14:06linuxstb(itunes does that with ipods)
12:14:56bluebrotherreally? Nice thing.
12:15:29linuxstbYes, that's how amiconn discovered he had accidentally installed ipodservice.exe - the time was set on his ipod...
12:18:38bluebrotherare the various ajbrec.ajz files around somewhere to download?
12:19:10linuxstbYou mean the original firmware files?
12:19:29bluebrotheryes. I'd like to try the unscramble thing amiconn mentioned earlier.
12:19:53bluebrotherI just added detection based on the files he mentioned (and gigabeat GBSYSTEM folder detection)
12:20:07linuxstbArchos's website is possibly the best place -
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12:21:03fxbsince ipl svn is down:|h) i anybody needs it.
12:21:31fxbnot for mac though, since i don't have a mac.
12:21:39linuxstbSo Linux and win32?
12:21:52linuxstbDo you have any code there to parse the resulting XML?
12:22:22fxbwell, not really. just get the UpdaterFamilyID value.
12:22:31linuxstbYes, I've just seen that function.
12:22:36linuxstbDoes it work well?
12:22:46fxbptr = strstr(buffer, "UpdaterFamilyID"); while (!isdigit(*ptr)){ ptr++; } ufid = atoi(ptr);
12:22:50fxbyeah, works.
12:23:26linuxstbOK, thanks. I'll let you know if I get it working on a Mac.
12:23:50fxbshould be completely different code for mac i think
12:24:27fxboh and 1G, 2G, 3G and 1G Mini don't send any data, but they still use the SysInfo file.
12:24:58linuxstbHmm, "Mac OS X by design does not support sending SCSI or ATA commands from an application to most storage devices"...
12:25:41bluebrotherhow useful ...
12:26:54fxbi think i saw some example code from apples website.
12:27:01*fxb searching
12:27:15linuxstbfxb: We detect ipods based on the contents of the firmware partition - this works universally (assuming the ipod is not corrupt). The problem we have is determining between 32MB/64MB video ipods, as Rockbox has separate builds for the two memory sizes.
12:27:59fxbyeah, that info is in the returned xml data
12:28:13linuxstbYes, so I saw on your wiki page.
12:32:25*linuxstb is starting to think it will be easier to unify the two ipod video builds than to perform a scsi inquiry on mac os x...
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12:51:08fxblinuxstb: i think i found something.
12:51:50amiconnlinuxstb: Why not distinguish the 32/64 MB ipod videos via the disk size?
12:55:58k-manis there a theme for rockbox that looks very basic but supports album art
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12:57:42*amiconn wanted to listen to his ipod, but still had a build with double-speed pcm on it...
13:01:30linuxstbamiconn: That's not 100% foolproof - the scsi inquiry method will be. So I would like to do scsi inquiry if possible, then fall back on disk size as a backup method.
13:02:06amiconnWell, disk size could only err on the safe side (if someone upgraded a 30GB with a 60GB single platter
13:02:21amiconnAh, no
13:02:29amiconnThat's not the safe side....
13:03:12amiconnThere is a warning in wmadeci.c ...
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13:05:02amiconn...easy to fix
13:08:27JdGordonany suggestions on what to fiddle with? (in rockbox....), im bored
13:09:48parafin#7679 for example
13:10:56parafinor maybe commit #5855 and #4840
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13:14:09fxblinuxstb: much more code than you need on linux or win32, still not complete.
13:18:06JdGordonparafin: I dont suppose you know the dircache date/time formats do you?
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13:19:58linuxstbamiconn: Some people have also reported that apple put 32MB boards inside refurbished 60/80GB ipods.
13:20:06parafinno, i don't know it
13:20:27JdGordonanyone know the fat modified date/time format?
13:20:59amiconnThe fat specs are in the wiki
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13:23:44Nico_PJdGordon: I agree on committing
13:24:01*Nico_P wonders why it still hasn't been done
13:24:20*JdGordon doesnt want to do any commiting while the build server is down
13:24:29linuxstbfxb: Thanks for the links, I'll see I can get them doing something...
13:24:30*JdGordon has no problems with that beign commited though
13:25:03Nico_PJdGordon: you can take a look at MoB code and do some fixing in playback.c :)
13:25:06linuxstbNico_P: I guess no-one cares about pong...
13:25:31JdGordonnot untill i get a new screen... this monitor gives me a headache already.. playback.c would make it worse :p
13:25:38Nico_PJdGordon: hehe :)
13:25:40*JdGordon working on hte dircache problem
13:26:38parafinbtw, Recent SVN activity on still thinks that today is august
13:26:56linuxstbparafin: Yes, the server admins are all awol...
13:27:11*linuxstb pings Bagder_ again, just for fun
13:27:47JdGordonI think a polite sms would have been acceptable by now... althougyh, I suppose they are entitled to a life...
13:29:46JdGordonparafin: with dircache disabled, is the modified time correct?
13:30:03Nico_PJdGordon: does anyone know their phone number ?
13:30:23JdGordonthey are on but no need to do it...
13:30:34parafinJdGordon, yes, i said so in bug report
13:30:41JdGordon.. just making sure :)
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13:36:51JdGordonparafin: with dircache enabled, when a file is modified it shows the wrong time, what happens if you then disable dircache and check the filetime?
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13:42:00parafinit displays right time and date
13:42:14JdGordonok, good
13:42:20JdGordonone less thing to worry about :)
13:42:46JdGordonwanna try a patch for me?
13:44:28JdGordonback in 10min
13:47:15JdGordonpoo :p">
13:48:14*bluebrother googles awol
13:48:32JdGordonaway without leave
13:48:37JdGordonmilitary term
13:48:41bluebrotherfound it already :)
13:48:50*JdGordon wanted to feel smart :p
13:48:56bluebrotherI'm no military guy
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13:55:35JdGordonparafin: ?
13:55:56parafinyeah, yeah, testing in progress
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13:56:34JdGordonSlasheri: you round?
13:58:28parafinJdGordon, you messed date and time
13:58:36parafinit changed
13:58:49parafinbut now it's 2027/09/02 15:26
13:59:03JdGordonso just the year is wrong?
13:59:04parafininstead of 2007/09/02 15:58
13:59:56delYsidIs the 12khz resampling for voicefonts required by the firmware to work or can I also use say 22khz mp3s?
14:00:45amiconnIf you want a huge voice file, you can also use 22kHz on swcodec targets with enough ram
14:01:01amiconnI don't remember whether there's a size limit in the loader
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14:09:00JdGordonparafin: new version at the same link, ive either fixed the year, or made it 60 years worse :p
14:09:05JdGordonand the minute is fixed also
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14:20:14VixusHey, have their been any changes to the iPod Mini 2G firmware since the start of this year? :D
14:20:21JdGordona few
14:20:46JdGordon*cough* parafin?
14:21:04parafini was eating
14:21:28oboVixus: - if you update, you'll also need to update your bootloader
14:22:52*Vixus hunts for the bootloader.
14:23:29*obo points towards the manual, and its section on installation
14:28:04parafinJdGordon, well, not quite right yet
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14:28:24*JdGordon gives parafin and eveil glare
14:28:58parafinwhen i created file, date and time were displayed as 2039/09/02 00:27
14:29:09parafinyear and hours are wrong
14:29:43JdGordonhmm... is dircache enabled for the sim?
14:30:20JdGordonyes :) i can test locally :p
14:30:30parafinyou bastard :)
14:31:49parafinstrange thing is that when i update file all seem to work fine
14:33:27bluebrotherobo: do you have any idea why rbutil's menu bar shows up delayed on windows?
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14:34:05obonot off the top of my head, I'll take a looksie
14:34:18bluebrotherwould be great −− I have no idea about it.
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14:39:43JdGordonparafin: te date in properties is the modifed time which your expecting to change?
14:40:35JdGordonsim doesnt seem to want to play nice
14:40:53parafinerm... i don't quite understand the question
14:41:06parafinproperties show modification date and time
14:41:18parafinwithout dircache all work fine
14:42:04k-manwhy can't I use rockbox while the ipod is connected to my pc?
14:42:46parafinyou can, if you're only charging it
14:43:10k-manbut you can't use it as a drive and use it simultaneously?
14:43:19parafinof course
14:43:32k-manyou can?
14:43:33bluebrotherno. You can't run disc mode and Rockbox the same time
14:43:43parafinof course you can't i mean
14:43:45k-manbluebrother, why is that?
14:43:51bluebrotherit's two completely different parts
14:44:09JdGordonparafin: sim isnt helping, so your gonna have to help test again :)
14:44:15bluebrotherdisc mode means you're rebooting into Apple's software (disc mode only, not AppleOS)
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14:44:32JdGordonparafin: what should the hour have been before?
14:44:39k-manso its actually running a totaly different os when in disk mode?
14:44:50parafinconcurrent access to hard disk would be very hard think to implement, even if rockbox has working usb support
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14:45:30k-manparafin, why is that? isn't rockbox based on linux?
14:45:37bluebrotherpossibly. Besides, non-PP targets usually have a dedicated USB bridge which makes it technically impossible to use usb and Rockbox the same time
14:45:43bluebrotherRockbox is _not_ based on linux.
14:45:48bluebrotherit never was.
14:45:59parafinJdGordon, the hour is right
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14:46:07parafinwell, not 00
14:47:29k-manmy mistake
14:47:33amiconnparafin: Rockbox could read while connected on sw usb targets, but must never write (because the host fs would get very confused)
14:48:03k-manamiconn, oh, i see... interesting
14:48:07amiconnAnd playback needs write access (because it has to update resume position etc)
14:48:31k-mando i have to do anything special to see album art?
14:48:49parafinamiconn, wouldn't rockbox get very confused too, when host updates FS?
14:49:06amiconnrasher (and others): Am I right that we decided to prefer britsh english?
14:49:12parafink-man, you need to use custom build with album art patch
14:49:14amiconnparafin: It could detect that
14:49:22k-manparafin, oh....
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14:49:42bluebrotheramiconn: yes, british english is preferred, at least for the manual
14:49:50k-manparafin, so it won't work if i just use an album art capable theme?
14:49:51amiconn(just need to decide about the order for matching rockbox languages -> windows LCID)
14:49:58parafink-man, nope
14:50:08amiconnWindows offers british, american, australian and canadian IDs
14:50:13k-manparafin, can I just download a build? or i need to build it myself?
14:50:26JdGordonamiconn: all but american shold be the same in that list
14:50:35amiconnOh, even a whole bunch more
14:50:41Lloreanamiconn: Couldn't nvram be neglected while the USB is connected, and then written on disconnect?
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14:51:26dnanarhi all !
14:52:32k-manoh... seems like album art is a little tricky to use right now
14:52:37k-manfrom the wiki that is
14:53:11dnanari would like to know if somebody who has a Cowon X5(L) has already tried to change the hard drive of his player and then send the player to the warranty. I think that this avoid the warranty, but does the "warranty man" take care of this (if we put the original hard drive into the player before sending it) ?
14:54:35parafink-man, there are custom builds on forum
14:54:41parafinyou can use one of them
14:54:41k-manah, thanks
14:54:44Lloreandnanar: This isn't a Rockbox question, but nearly all warranties are broken by any modification inside your player, even if you put it back later.
14:55:09k-mani seem to have viewed an image in rockbox but now I can't get out of the image viewer and back to the file manager
14:57:04pixelmak-man: checked the manual... ;)
14:57:20k-manill check
14:58:25JdGordonthis year field is confusing me :'(
14:58:40dnanarLlorean: ah ok sorry, i thought that i could ask this question here (because of the "Harddriveremplacement" wiki page). I know that they are broken, but i would ike to know if somebody tried to do it ;-)
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15:00:58JdGordonis tm->year set so we have to add 1900 to the year before use?
15:02:12JdGordonI assume it is, but im just getting confuseled
15:02:14amiconnWe usually name the .lang files in their native language if it uses a latin script
15:02:14parafinJdGordon, yes
15:02:22bluebrotherJdGordon: check the manpage for time.h
15:02:26amiconnWhy isn't finnish then named suomi.lang?
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15:03:44JdGordonparafin: well, in that case, this final version should work
15:05:20pixelmaLlorean: forum question - if I modify an old post of mine to ask the original poster something and no-one posted in the meantime - will he get a notification mail (if he has that option checked)?
15:05:36JdGordonnot usually...
15:06:09JdGordonunless this forum software is different to pretty much every other one I've used
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15:06:38Lloreanpixelma: I don't know about notification emails. If I want to make sure a new post gets noticed, I copy the text of my old post, write a new post and merge my old text into it. :)
15:06:57LloreanThen remove the old one.
15:07:34pixelmaaha, but it looks like I could try contacting him directly, he didn't hide the email address...
15:07:41bluebrotherbut does the user need to get another notification? If he hasn't answered yet he most likely hasn't come back anyway
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15:08:29parafinJdGordon, you've updated patch or what?
15:08:36JdGordonyeah, same link
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15:10:57pixelmaI'd really like to commit some of his work, he posted something but said it wasn't the final result and he would be working on it some more but that hasn't happened yet and is a while ago... I already asked him to post it to the tracker and give his real name (which is the problem) but he didn't... :/
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15:20:01JdGordonparafin: ?
15:20:03parafinJdGordon, it works perfect now :)
15:20:09JdGordonoh snap :p
15:20:21JdGordongreat, ill commit it then goto bed :p
15:20:30`sam`does anybody know of some different icons i can use in the statusbar? something i could replace the default_icons with?
15:20:54JdGordonyou cant
15:21:10`sam`you can... if they exist and you replace the originals
15:21:25JdGordonnot without compiling your own version
15:21:45`sam`i know, what i'm asking is if anybody has made some other icons i can do that with
15:21:54JdGordoni doubt it
15:23:15bluebrotherpeople usually are interested in changing the ui without recompiling ...
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15:24:24webguest98Hi. does anyone know how to set up the compiler for a mac?
15:25:01`sam`yeah i know, it's just the default_icons used in the statusbar are kinda small, as is the statusbar itself, but i changed the STATUSBAR_HEIGHT
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15:25:08bluebrotherit should work similar to linux: run from the tools/ folder
15:25:13JdGordon20 commits since the last build.... :(
15:25:36bluebrotherthe icons are large enough on all of my targets :P
15:25:54JdGordon`sam`: if you have the skill and inclination, work on a patch to make the tsatusbar customizable like the rest of the icons....
15:26:13bluebrotheroh, he already left. And I was just about to directing him to the additional information in the wiki ...
15:26:17`sam`JdGordon, i have the inclination... not sure about the skill :)
15:26:23`sam`but i'm looking into it some
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15:27:13JdGordon`sam`: there is one or two patches on the tracker which do this... but they are closed, so you have to search all taks to find them
15:27:13webguest98Hi. I am trying to set up the compiler and svn for mac.
15:27:16k-manhow can I stop itunes starting up every time i plug in my ipod
15:27:20bluebrotherwebguest98: check also
15:27:50webguest98I set up the cross compiler using that link already.
15:28:25webguest98Now I want to set up svn, but I can't figure it out.
15:28:46bluebrotherno idea if there's a package around but it should be possible building from source
15:29:35bluebrotherscroll down to "Mac OS X" ;-)
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15:34:13webguest98I set up the compiler manually because the didn't seem to work
15:34:57k-manhas anyone used vpod for keeping ipod in sync with their pc?
15:35:06webguest98I used home/rockbox/sansa as my prefix, but I had nothing build in that directory
15:35:27webguest98Does that mean I didn't do it right?
15:36:13bluebrotheryou can use any directory you like
15:36:42bluebrotheryou just might need to add it to the PATH variable ... but I don't have experience on mac.
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15:37:47webguest98Is that the directory the compiler builds in or rockbox?
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15:49:11webguest98If I built the compiler with the wrong prefix, can I just move it, or do I have to redo the whole thing?
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15:58:05webguest98I got svn installed now.
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16:10:56webguest98It is all working now! Thanks!
16:12:00webguest98Do I need to keep all the folders that were made during the install, or can I erase all of it except where the compiler itself was built?
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16:35:05pengorockbox rocks
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16:53:29lidsi'm looking for someone who could explain how work the MENUITEM_* macros
16:53:47lidsi don't get what the name##_ is doing
16:56:38amiconnSee the gnu cpp manual
16:56:40bluebrotherthat ## is a preprocessor macro that concatenates two strings
16:58:11lidsyep, but if i get it correctly the value of _ should pasted, but the macro has not argument named _
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17:00:21bluebrotherbeat JdGordon, he created that mess
17:00:29bluebrotheror rather beast?
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17:11:14dionoealids: then it just pastes _. So if you #define foo( a ) a##_ , foo( abc ) would be abc_
17:16:51lidsoh ok, thanks
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17:44:47webguest75How do I install roms into my iPod
17:44:49webguest75And How do I save gaes
17:45:28krazykitthis is not the place for asking for copyrighted material
17:45:44pixelmapetur: the scrollable credits are more confusing IMO and I don't like that it doesn't stop after one "round" and exit automatically like it did before (at least when viewing them through "version")
17:45:47krazykitthat being said, just put them in a directory, webguest75
17:46:19webguest75Im not asking for roms
17:46:23webguest75Im asking about them
17:46:30peturpixelma: yes, I agree it is not optimal but still it felt better then before
17:46:45pixelmanot for me
17:46:57peturit should stop the animation on key up/down probably
17:47:16pixelmabecause you have no feedback where exactly you are (or just the numbers at the top)
17:47:17peturand exit after one round should be possible
17:48:14pixelmaso you get a bunch of names and when scrolling up or down that could get all messy
17:48:16peturwell the previous version just started, then the backlight went out and as soon as you touched a key it exited again. That wasn't user friendly
17:48:28*bluebrother points to the manual
17:48:33krazykitwebguest75, call it a preemptive strike ;)
17:48:44peturpixelma: some kind of scrollbar?
17:49:22bluebrotherscrollbar sounds nice.
17:49:23pixelmapetur: well... the backlight thing was no issue to me because I don't have a colour screen target ;)
17:49:39peturor maybe get rid of the animation and just make it a scrollable list?
17:49:51bluebrothernah ... too easy ;-)
17:49:58bluebrotherand not fancy enough :P
17:50:25pixelmaand how would you decide when to exit?
17:50:51bluebrothera timeout? After n seconds of user inactivity exit?
17:50:56pixelma(or do you not want an automatic exit anymore?)
17:51:43peturwell if it reached the bottom without keypress it could exit
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17:51:56peturand maybe keep the backlight on?
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17:53:18peturI'll have a go at it later tonight (too busy here now)
17:53:23pixelmaso it still should scroll automatically but without animation?
17:53:35pixelmayeah, no need to hurry
17:54:09pixelmait's not that important, just tried it today for the first time and didn't like it very much in the current state
17:56:50peturno I meant stop the animation when you press up/down (-> signals manual scrolling)
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17:57:16peturand once up/down pressed you scroll by hand
17:57:58*petur gets bothered by some indian outsourcing company a customer is using :(
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18:16:00chrisjs169I'm trying to compile the sim on Ubuntu, and get "fatal: No available video device" when trying to run rockboxui
18:16:53krazykityou're running it from X, right?
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18:17:37chrisjs169yeah - i compiled it manually, since apt was complaining - apparently JdGordon had that problem a year ago
18:17:46*chrisjs169 tries apt-get again
18:18:25chrisjs169oh wait]
18:18:42krazykitmaybe sdl is misconfigured
18:18:50krazykitor you're trying to run it as root or something
18:19:12chrisjs169nope, not run as root
18:20:16krazykitnot sure where sdl's config files are, really
18:20:24alienbiker99the front page is still not updating?
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18:23:02lidschrisjs169: try to modify the SDL_VIDEODRIVER environnement variable
18:23:48lidsto something like xv or x11 ..
18:23:59chrisjs169lids, hold on, i'm going to try and reinstall it
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18:35:29chrisjs169yay, it works now
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18:42:11*chrisjs169 wonders why the front page isn't updating
18:42:21*amiconn is testing sapi4 voice building
18:43:34peturlol... the /. article about ubuntu failsafe graphics mode got tagged 'aboutfuckingtime' :)
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18:51:01bluebrotherhi Domonoky
18:53:08Domonokyhi bluebrother
18:54:27bluebrotherdo you have any idea about the remaining issues with rbutil? I'm a bit lost ...
18:54:51bluebrother(and currently recompiling Qt on windows with debug libraries. Takes ages :(
18:59:55Domonokyabout the delayed menbar.. i dont know.. about the crash: you have to find a signal which is emited while closing the app, and connect it to the abort slot of the info downloader.. i think..
19:01:41bluebrothershouldn't the downloader abort itself when the object is destroyed?
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19:03:36Domonokyyou could try to put an abort call in the detructor of the downloader.. but i dont konw if it helps.. :-)
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19:05:40bluebrotherok, I'll try. But atm I need to wait until Qt finishes building.
19:08:04bluebrotherbut I managed to build a static linux binary. So we can distribute for another OS :)
19:14:15davinathis probably old news, but rockbox is mentioned in this months Linux Format magazine on page 59
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19:29:38linuxstbbluebrother: BTW, I've just tried your rbutilqt linux binary and it works fine for me as well.
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19:33:05iambenis there any way to tell mythfilldatabase to "trash everything you've got, get all new listings"?
19:33:23iambenoors wrong chan!
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20:05:19Domonoky_bluebrother: is it ok, when i remove the wx version and move qt version of rbutil ?
20:07:00bluebrothersure ... but should we really move the qt version?
20:07:25linuxstbI thought the idea was to just rename the rbutilqt directory to src ?
20:07:28bluebrotherit is not uncommon for source packages to have the main code in a subfolder called src or like the project itself
20:07:58bluebrotherwe could even leave the name and provide a short project file that triggers building in the subfolder
20:08:28Domonoky_ah, okey, i can also rename it..
20:09:48Domonoky_and what do we do with the dirs like irvertools, or icons or zlib ?
20:10:25bluebrotherjust keep it?
20:10:37bluebrotherIMO even renaming rbutilqt is unneccesary.
20:10:52Domonoky_okey, the i will just remove the wx version..
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20:14:02*bluebrother wonders when someone will manage to kick the build server
20:14:09linuxstbbluebrother: Are you going to move the wiki page back?
20:14:52linuxstb^rbutilqt wiki page...
20:15:06bluebrotherseems I'm not allowed to move a page
20:16:00bluebrotherDomonoky_: just put a file in the rbutil folder with two lines:
20:16:01bluebrotherSUBDIRS = rbutilqt
20:16:01bluebrotherTEMPLATE = subdirs
20:16:14bluebrotherthen you can call qmake && make from the rbutil folder
20:16:39linuxstbMaybe add a short "INSTALL" file documenting the build process?
20:16:50bluebrotherthought about that too.
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20:17:50bluebrotherI can do that.
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20:21:28*Domonoky_ just removed the wx version.. :-)
20:21:42bluebrotherok, my first version of an INSTALL document:
20:22:39Domonoky_bluebrother: looks good, only the header is wrong.. :-)
20:23:08bluebrotherwhat's wrong about it? The Id: line?
20:23:30bluebrotherwell, svn will fix that for me ;-)
20:24:02Domonoky_ah.. nice.. didnt know that...
20:24:22bluebrotheryou just need to have the svn:keywords property set correctly.
20:26:23*bluebrother just added INSTALL
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20:27:37linuxstbbluebrother: brief...
20:27:58bluebrotheryes ... but is there much more to tell?
20:28:45rasherDo the unprotected files from ITMS play on Rockbox?
20:28:51linuxstbInstructions and/or links for installing qt?
20:28:56bluebrotherbut feel free to add more details. Of course we could add the compilation hints from the wiki page
20:29:29Domonoky_we can always extend the INSTALL file if we get questions, about the install.. the hints from the wiki wouldnt be bad..
20:29:34linuxstbBut yes, there isn't that much more to tell...
20:31:24bluebrotherhmm, stripping the static linux binary saves quite a bit of space.
20:31:29linuxstbrasher: I'm pretty sure they do. There is a forum thread about them from the time Apple launched that service.
20:31:56linuxstbbluebrother: I forgot to tell you that - it stripped about 1.3MB for me.
20:34:23bluebrotherlinuxstb: do you know a way to get always the current svn revision in a file? I.e. an up-to-date $Rev$-like string but without calling svnversion or something similar?
20:34:44linuxstbbluebrother: Is your linux binary compiled with debugging info? I get lots of console output when I run it.
20:35:12linuxstbOne thing I forgot to mention, the icon doesn't work on the Mac - I get a piece of paper with a pen and a ruler...
20:35:25rasherlinuxstb: I think Qt just talks a lot
20:35:38rasherHappens with the stock Konqueror as well
20:35:50rasherOr it could be that it does in standard configurations, of course
20:37:48linuxstbBTW, I've given up on the SCSI inquiry code on Mac OS X - none of the example code I could find worked. Google pointed me to a post on one of the Apple developers mailing list where someone was experiencing the same problem as me, but he got no reply...
20:39:01bluebrotherthe linux build doesn't have debug output disabled.
20:39:08GodEaterthis is for the memory detection linuxstb ?
20:39:32bluebrotherso while it is not a debug build it will still output the qDebug() stuff. But it's easy to fix that.
20:39:58linuxstbGodEater: Yes.
20:42:03bluebrotherlinuxstb: thanks. So I need external processing :(
20:43:49GodEaterpatch 7691 looks good on the 5G here.
20:44:08linuxstbGodEater: Thanks. Now all I need is a working build system and I'll commit it...
20:44:19GodEaterlinuxstb: what did you do ? :)
20:44:28linuxstbNothing... It's been broken since Friday.
20:44:44GodEater*your* system, or the rockbox one ?
20:44:58linuxstbThe Rockbox one.
20:45:09GodEatersvn appears to be working though
20:45:13GodEaterI just synced
20:45:34linuxstbYes, but the website isn't working - the current build table isn't current, neither is the front page of the website.
20:46:12GodEaterso there's nothing stopping you commiting it - it just won't turn up in a current build till Zagor/Bagder fix it ?
20:46:32linuxstbYes. But it touches virtually every target, so I would prefer the build table to be working...
20:46:48GodEaterah ok
20:46:53GodEaterI understand now :)
20:47:17GodEater3 posts away from the magic 1000
20:47:28*GodEater hunts for something worthwhile to reply to
20:47:30linuxstbBTW, has anyone tried sncviewer - the lyrics plugin? It seems to have been around forever...
20:47:54GodEaternot me
20:48:01GodEaterit's in the same catergory as album art for me
20:48:05GodEaterthoroughly pointless =/
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20:51:37rasherWould be neat if it could hook into the wps somehow and display the current line
20:51:44rasherAs part of the wps, that is
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20:53:58linuxstbDoesn't seem an easy thing to do unless it's part of the core though.
20:54:44rasherTrue enough. Not without some major nastiness at least
21:00:09GodEaterone thing 7691 doesn't seem to fix is the freeze on startup if usb is plugged in
21:00:29GodEaternot sure if that was on the menu or not though
21:00:30bluebrotherlinuxstb: I modified the project file a bit. Standard builds now disable debug output (the qDebug() stuff) completely.
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21:08:26linuxstbGodEater: That's odd - I don't get it on my ipod Color any more... But maybe it's settings related (I wiped my ipod clean the other day) - do you have dircache and/or the database enabled?
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21:28:44mastercdcan i use an ipod as an external hard drive using rockbox?
21:29:22mastercddo i have to use itunes to load up songs on it?
21:29:26linuxstbYou can use it as an external hard driver anyway.
21:29:30mastercdim sorry, i dont know much about rockbox
21:30:09linuxstbRockbox will work better if you just drag and drop your music files in a sensible directory structure.
21:30:43preglowlinuxstb: any reason a52 uses its own swap and not swap32?
21:30:56preglowor letohwtf
21:31:18linuxstbpreglow: Only that a52 predates those functions appearing in Rockbox.
21:31:27linuxstb(or I didn't spot them...)
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21:32:33preglowseems like a52 wants betoh32 anyway
21:33:12bluebrothergrrr, something seems to be not working correctly with my last commit :(
21:37:44linuxstbpreglow: Any reason you're looking at a52?
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21:43:05preglowlinuxstb: just having alook at its imdct, really
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21:44:58AceNikhey guys my h10 scrollpad is givin me some problems, doesnt respond on the upper pad, it fluctuates on the center between up n down like hell, n there is no way i can scroll up prper, sometimes i can but its after a long time on the upper side but not at the upper tip
21:45:28AceNik& rockbox seems to hang pretty often when it just starts & resume playback is done ?
21:46:51Soaphow well does the scrollpad work in the original firmware?
21:47:30AceNiki thing it works a lilttle better but still the upper tip doesnt work
21:47:44AceNikis it dying?
21:48:15SoapIt is not a good sign that there is a hardware issue in both rockbox and the original firmware.
21:48:40AceNikwell, what can i try doing?
21:49:06Soaphave you considered looking for the "I've been a good boy" fix - and seeing if possibly there is just a loose ribbon cable between the touchpad and motherboard?
21:49:16AceNikthe lower pad works perfect, this started just recently
21:49:38SoapIt would be nice to believe it is a loose connection, not a failure.
21:49:58AceNikno i havent opened it up even oce, is it safe opening it up , just incase i dont screw up al the more
21:50:34AceNikk ill check in some days when i get tiem to look at pics t open it up thanks
21:50:36Soap _that_ I can't answer.
21:51:02AceNikotherwise is there a way to possibly code around not using the scrollpad upper side ?
21:52:47AceNiki tried to stick a piece of paper fromt he sides to possibly clean a lil dirt ont he sides, it responds better now
21:52:56AceNikbut still a problem
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22:04:49chrisjs169anyone know a font similar to the one in
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22:33:32ficschi have a sansa e260. i moved a file from a directory to another and removed the old directory. the database still contains the old directory under "album" with the old file in it. does anyone know how this can be fixed?
22:34:49midkayficsch: you'll have to rebuild the database ('initialize now').
22:35:34midkayyou might try 'update now' first, but probably only rebuilding will fix it.
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22:37:55rasherficsch: How did you remove the old directory? If you did it using Windows, it might be in your Recycle bin
22:38:05rasherWhich the Database will index
22:38:14ficschno i used rm -f under linux
22:38:25rasherThen an update should fix it
22:39:46ficschdoes the "harddisk" icon in the upper right corner show that the update is in progress?
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22:41:03rasherIt more generally shows that disk activity is taking place, in this case probably because of the update, yes
22:42:05ficschhmmm i choose "update now". then the icon appears for 2 seconds and nothing happens. do i have to wait until the player proposes a reboot?
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22:44:19rasherI think you can just reboot once disk activity stops, but the "update now" might not remove the entry
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22:46:11amiconnrasher: I have sapi4 voice generation working, but atm it's not really usable, 'cause it takes _ages_
22:46:40amiconn(estimated) build time of a recorder v1 voice file: around 8 hours
22:47:07amiconnSomehow the script seems to wait longer than necessary for each clip
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22:49:21*chrisjs169 can't figure out why I'm getting "error: syntax error before 'void'"
22:51:52 Quit ficsch ("[BX] We drink more beers than Norm on Cheers!")
22:52:04zechrisjs169: look at the line(s) before it
22:52:11zeprobably missing a ; or something
22:52:32chrisjs169ze: it's complaining about firmware/include/string.h - a file that hasn't been modified for two years
22:53:00chrisjs169/home/ns_buildrb/rockbox/firmware/include/string.h:23: error: syntax error before 'void'
22:53:01zethen something in the file thats including it? or in a header thats included before it?
22:53:24zeor a header itincludes
22:53:42chrisjs169any way to find that out?
22:53:53rasheramiconn: wow, that's really bizarre. Does producing a single clip directly (echo "commands" |cscript sapi_voice_new.vbs) give any insight?
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22:54:09zewell, to start, look at the full error to see what file itsactually trying to compilewhen it gets tothat
22:54:20zeand check that file
22:54:36zecross-reference a list that includes that file, its headers, and any headers string.h includes
22:54:43zewith a list of recently changed files
22:55:22chrisjs169gets to menu.c, and then errors out. i just reverted main.c as well, with no luck
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23:02:05amiconngrr, now I have another problem: Some voice names have spaces in them, and passing those names through make->perl->vbscript seems to be difficult...
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23:06:21amiconnQuoting in the Makefile with \" seems to work
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23:08:59*chrisjs169 has gone back to r14555 so far =/
23:12:10*chrisjs169 decides there's a problem with the patch i'm using
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23:14:41delYsidwhat do I need to do to make talk_number and friends available to plugins?
23:14:53delYsidtalk.h is already included in plugin.h, but the linker fails.
23:15:07delYsidwhere do I need to change things to export these functions?
23:15:28*pixelma spots Bagder activity in the forums...
23:16:55Bagdergoood evening!
23:18:00pixelmawell... a lot of people were waiting for one of you three to fix the build system issue...
23:18:31pixelmathe system is still stuck in August
23:18:47BagderI like August! ;-)
23:18:54pixelmaother than that: good evening as well ;)
23:19:18peturor as agent smith said: "we missed you" :)
23:20:04Bagdersvn up
23:20:04Bagdersvn: Working copy '.' locked
23:20:04Bagdersvn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details)
23:20:19Bagderthat's what happened to the build master
23:20:43iambenbob vila?
23:20:48Bagdernew build started now
23:21:18pixelmastart betting on warnings etc. and who's to blame ;)
23:21:34*petur wonders if the points scored will be shared by all those who committed :)
23:21:42rasherI'm betting there will be 700 points total
23:22:04peturI played safe and only did a manual tweak :p
23:22:09rasherBagder: What happened to dev2.cgi?
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23:22:15rasherApart from nothing at all
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23:27:37peturscore = 0
23:27:45rasherAll green. That's no fun
23:28:13rasherMan, the "fake" deltas are confusing. Is this caused by differing gcc versions, or something else?
23:28:39Bagderyes, and 64 vs 32 bit builds I think
23:29:19petur68 bytes seems to be popular
23:29:28rasherStrange that the host should matter
23:29:30amiconnrasher: Btw, did you notice how much the official voice file size went down today vs. y'day?
23:29:32rasherAssuming that's true
23:29:47rasheramiconn: Yup
23:30:01Bagderthe sizes are "true"
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23:30:53rasherBagder: yeah, but I meant, it's odd that a 32 bit host should produce a different result than a 64-bit host, if building with the exact same gcc version (to me, anyway)
23:31:11BagderI agree
23:31:31rasherAnd somewhat annoying.
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23:33:30BagderOn aug 27, 445 frigging GB was downloaded from ;-/
23:33:48Bagdera normal day it is like 5
23:34:03midkaywhere on earth did all that traffic come from?
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23:34:38Bagder439GB requested from a single IP
23:34:39bluebrotherwasn't there a similar thing a while ago?
23:34:48Bagderit was a very similar last month, yes
23:35:02bluebrothersame / similar ip?
23:35:12Bagder"only" 136GB fromt he same IP then, but not the samd
23:35:18rasherBagder: perhaps an "if a single IP downloads over X bytes - block the bastard" needs to be employed?
23:35:20Bagderand not the same day of the month
23:35:21freqmodmaybe have a filter, that you can't download more that 2 GB/day/ip or something like that
23:35:40linuxstb_Presumably it was downloading the same file(s) repeatedly?
23:35:45Bagderfortunately this conection is unmetered
23:35:49Bagderyes, the source package
23:35:51bluebrotheror make successive downloads slower?
23:35:52midkay2GB is pretty excessive i think. if we're talking about builds.
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23:36:13iambensounds like maybe someone's script went wild
23:36:24peturthat seems to be somewhere in .de
23:37:00iambenif i DL more than 200MB in a day i get throttled to dialup speeds =(
23:37:07bluebrotherseems like a cable connection
23:37:34Bagderanyway, top download from build during aug was ipod video 17829 downloads
23:37:37peturtele columbus west, now called unitymedia
23:38:07Bagderand the 64mb build an additional 7649 downloads
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23:39:01rasherIt's also by far the most downloaded sim
23:39:37Bagdersansa e200 9909 downloads is #2
23:40:22Genre9mp3and the bronze metal goes to....
23:40:35Bagderipod nano, 9110 downloads">
23:40:55rasherNumber of downloads since last race condition in the counter code
23:42:12Genre9mp3rasher: 666 ipov video sim downloads?
23:42:28rasherIt would seem so
23:42:36bluebrotherevil ...
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