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| 00:03:44 | evil_core | hi all |
| 00:04:03 | * | linuxstb_ is still waiting (13 hours later) for static qt to compile on his ibook... |
| 00:04:27 | petur | slow ibook? :p |
| 00:04:31 | evil_core | are there any hackers that can help me to run rockbox on iRiver u10 ? |
| 00:04:37 | rasher | petur: and/or slow g++ |
| 00:04:59 | Bagder | evil_core: try finding other u10 owners |
| 00:05:01 | scorche | yay!...my various archos units work! |
| 00:05:16 | scorche | and one of mine that died a while back seems to be running rockbox 2.2 |
| 00:05:27 | linuxstb_ | evil_core: I assume you've read this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 00:07:20 | evil_core | o dont remember if i was reading it before, but i know that none of the develkopers have u10/old clix |
| 00:08:20 | linuxstb_ | What CPU does the U10 have? |
| 00:08:27 | pixelma | scorche: that's... ancient |
| 00:08:38 | evil_core | but many peoples consider on forums that is not much different tnan h300 |
| 00:08:54 | evil_core | http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=968 |
| 00:08:57 | scorche | pixelma: yeah...it died a while back and i got my new soldering station today |
| 00:09:05 | evil_core | there are specs and photos of PCB |
| 00:09:12 | scorche | hasnt run in years... |
| 00:09:53 | Bagder | "CPU: ARM Samsung SA58700X07" |
| 00:10:04 | rasher | evil_core: certainly quite different to h300 |
| 00:10:14 | linuxstb_ | It couldn't be more different... |
| 00:10:54 | Bagder | yeah, nand based and a cirrus codec... not a lot like the h300 in there |
| 00:11:40 | Bagder | "that's just 256 MB of RAM" |
| 00:11:51 | Bagder | hehe, always that bit vs byte confusion... |
| 00:12:19 | bluebrother | linuxstb_: 13 hours? Ouch. |
| 00:12:23 | linuxstb_ | #1 result for SA58700 on google is our wiki - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SamsungSA58 |
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| 00:12:45 | evil_core | hmm...i dont remember to what it was nearly identical, because i was searching the web for information if anybody was trying to run rockbox on it over halft the year ago |
| 00:13:09 | * | bluebrother waits for Qt/Win to finish compiling :/ |
| 00:13:22 | rasher | evil_core: Perhaps the clix? |
| 00:13:29 | linuxstb_ | The iriver E10 shares the same CPU |
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| 00:14:26 | evil_core | linuxstb, E10 is supported by rockbox ? |
| 00:14:34 | bluebrother | evil_core: no |
| 00:14:49 | rasher | evil_core: No player with this CPU (or anything like it) is supported by Rockbox |
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| 00:15:27 | evil_core | so its no real chance for non-hacker to try run rocbkox on it ? |
| 00:16:02 | evil_core | im not programist, and not electronic |
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| 00:16:20 | scorche | well, it has to be ported... |
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| 00:16:35 | linuxstb_ | Assuming Samsung won't give anyone the datasheet, it will be a very hard port. |
| 00:18:21 | petur | I thought Samsung had quite a bit of datasheets available, just not for the one apple is using |
| 00:18:46 | Bagder | no, they're hiding lots of it |
| 00:18:53 | Bagder | like everyone else these days |
| 00:19:00 | petur | hmmm :/ |
| 00:19:52 | linuxstb_ | " The data sheet of this product is either in preparation or is not effective yet." |
| 00:20:02 | linuxstb_ | http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=212&partnum=SA58700 |
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| 00:25:06 | evil_core | so i can be only happy that iriver firmware is quite good, damny good interface |
| 00:25:27 | evil_core | probably im losing only doom3 ;) |
| 00:25:45 | evil_core | damn, \not doom3, but doom* |
| 00:29:13 | rasher | bluebrother: did you see FS #7697? |
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| 00:30:33 | bluebrother | rasher: yes. Already tried it but for some strange reason parts of the translation is french :/ |
| 00:30:55 | bluebrother | and the traditional file only displays an error. |
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| 00:43:57 | amiconn | rasher: What do you think, should we rename finnish.lang to suomi.lang? All other languages using latin use their localised name... |
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| 00:55:23 | rasher | amiconn: I think so. Did you see FS #7637 ? |
| 00:56:18 | amiconn | Nope |
| 00:56:36 | amiconn | I wouldn't go as far as renaming the language files for non-latin languages |
| 00:57:30 | rasher | I agree that it's not as straight-forward, but I think it could be a good idea. Finnish should be done for sure though. |
| 00:57:33 | linuxstb | Wouldn't renaming cause a potential problem when people upgrade - the old finnish.lang would still be there? |
| 00:57:47 | linuxstb | I mean .lng |
| 00:57:53 | amiconn | Finnish and czech, then. Overlooked the latter... |
| 00:58:38 | amiconn | I don't know how cross-platform unicode .lng file names in the .zip would be... |
| 00:58:46 | pixelma | paruski is also a strange suggestion... |
| 00:59:29 | pixelma | like someone suggesting to rename english.lang into inenglish.lang |
| 00:59:47 | rasher | I'm not entirely sure cesky is a correct romanization of čeština |
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| 01:00:46 | rasher | We should probably consult a native speaker before each rename |
| 01:02:52 | linuxstb | Please don't consult a native speaker about aoler.lang... ;) |
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| 01:04:49 | petur | btw, is that to be committed or was it just a joke? |
| 01:05:55 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb, yeah, i noticed aoler.lang ;) |
| 01:06:49 | linuxstb | What do people think? Should I commit it? I'm not sure I'll want to keep maintaining it though... |
| 01:07:37 | rasher | Couldn't hurt - it's not like language files are huge |
| 01:08:04 | petur | will there be a voice file for it? ;) |
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| 01:08:25 | rasher | Consider it an easter egg - perhaps make buildzip only include it on april 1st |
| 01:08:47 | chrisjs169 | 8841 bytes isn't too bad |
| 01:08:49 | pixelma | one more to make updating a build on Ondio slooow ;( |
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| 01:09:32 | linuxstb | petur: On 1st April, it could be renamed to english.lang... |
| 01:09:49 | petur | lol |
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| 01:14:33 | DarkJesus | Can I ask a non-rockbox related question? |
| 01:14:49 | DarkJesus | Oh, #rockbox-community |
| 01:14:50 | rasher | If it's completely off-topic, please see topic |
| 01:14:52 | DarkJesus | I'll try there first |
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| 01:30:17 | rasher | amiconn: Why not add a description of the options to configure when asking for options for the tts engine? |
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| 01:44:38 | JdGordon | linuxstb: did you get a tester for the pp usb patch and sansa bootloader yet? |
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| 01:48:44 | saratoga | if anyone was interested in doing sansa developement, the Buy.com has the e250 for 50 shipped |
| 01:49:54 | saratoga | http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=205562657 |
| 01:50:44 | delYsid | i'll get my e280 tomorrow! And I've already patched chessbox to talk, so lets see if the patch actually works :) |
| 01:54:57 | petur | JdGordon: [01:12] * linuxstb sleeps |
| 01:55:23 | JdGordon | ok, ta |
| 01:58:26 | amiconn | eurgh |
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| 01:59:01 | amiconn | utf-8 handling for sapi is still missing -> bloated and funny-sounding voice files for languages using non-ascii chars (e.g. german) |
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| 02:01:53 | jericho | Hi, could somebody with an iAudio X5 please tell me whether you need the subpack to charge it? |
| 02:02:37 | amiconn | yes you do |
| 02:04:03 | jericho | I'm wondering will the fact there is only one sub pack be a problem |
| 02:04:37 | jericho | uh oh really? I have an offer of 2 x 20gb ones for 90 euro, about 120 USD, with only 1 sub pack and charger, one of them has a bad battery and the other has a joystick that's kinda broken but can be easily fixed |
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| 02:37:53 | sean53452345 | Can you play linux games on rockbox? |
| 02:38:26 | hcs | no |
| 02:38:43 | sean53452345 | awww :'[ |
| 02:39:25 | sean53452345 | well you know a good mpeg converter that can output movies in ipod nano form? |
| 02:39:42 | sean53452345 | cause the one i used wont play sound |
| 02:39:45 | saratoga | sean53452345: check the wiki |
| 02:40:23 | petur | hmmm if I revert the only contribution of somebody, should his name also be removed again from credits? |
| 02:43:58 | Llorean | I think it's still in our SVN repository, though I guess his name is also still in it too... |
| 02:44:54 | petur | I guess it won't hurt having the extra name and might hurt his motivation when I remove it again... |
| 02:45:36 | petur | anyway, bed time now |
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| 03:00:20 | sean53452345 | is there anything else you can do with rockbox? |
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| 03:09:50 | `sam` | you can play songs with it |
| 03:20:29 | sean53452345 | well yeah i mean lke is there any more features that you can download |
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| 03:31:20 | Falco98 | you can play tetris.... though i think they may have taken that out for some reason(?) |
| 03:31:23 | Falco98 | i can't find it in later builds |
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| 03:57:21 | `sam` | it's not called tetris in there though |
| 03:57:39 | webguest58 | if I put this on my ipod will I also have the option to run apple's ipod firmware when I restart my ipod |
| 03:57:41 | webguest58 | ? |
| 03:57:56 | `sam` | it's rockblox |
| 03:58:24 | `sam` | webguest58, yes, you can still start the apple firmware by switching on the hold button when it's booting |
| 03:59:09 | webguest58 | then if the hold button is off when I boot my ipod will it automatically go to rockbox? |
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| 04:00:03 | `sam` | yeah |
| 04:00:05 | `sam` | it should |
| 04:00:34 | webguest58 | tyvm :) |
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| 06:16:11 | scorche | kkurbjun (n=kkurbjun@c-67-174-184-188.hsd1.co.comcast.net) signed off 1 month and 5 days ago ("Leaving.") |
| 06:16:20 | eigma | bummer |
| 06:16:21 | eigma | thanks |
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| 07:39:07 | arrrghhh | ah... hey i had a question |
| 07:39:19 | eigma | nerochiaro: hey |
| 07:39:31 | arrrghhh | about rockbox on apple ipods... the database takes a painfully long time to load on bootup |
| 07:39:39 | nerochiaro | eigma: hi |
| 07:39:43 | * | sadeness is happy owner of new rockboxed player :D |
| 07:39:58 | eigma | nerochiaro: I did some work on Neuros.. you're doing work for that project, aren't you? |
| 07:40:18 | nerochiaro | eigma: yes, i actually work for them now |
| 07:40:26 | eigma | nice, congratulations |
| 07:40:39 | nerochiaro | eigma: thanks. i remember about you, it was some time ago though, right ? |
| 07:40:51 | eigma | 6 months, I would think |
| 07:41:20 | eigma | my full-time job sucked up all my time over the summer.. unfortunately, it wasn't with Neuros, heh |
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| 07:42:10 | arrrghhh | is there any way to prevent that long database load on the inital run of rockbox? i have 8 database files that it loads (~34000 songs) and it takes a very long time ot load |
| 07:42:13 | nerochiaro | eigma: sorry about that. i actually had a busy summer too, only one week vacation this year |
| 07:42:47 | eigma | bah. how's neuros development? any major steps since I was there? |
| 07:43:51 | nerochiaro | eigma: well, we added some stuff in 6 months. youtube browser, a new audio player based on xmms2, lots of other small things |
| 07:44:26 | eigma | nice |
| 07:44:34 | eigma | the .ko's are still as closed-source as ever? |
| 07:44:52 | nerochiaro | unfortunately they are. all DSP stuff still is |
| 07:45:04 | eigma | ah well |
| 07:45:11 | eigma | how many .ko updates have there been in 6 months? |
| 07:46:17 | nerochiaro | various. vendor sometimes fixes things in these decoders (though more rarely than neuros would like). and we may move some format parsers (like avi, asf) out of the closed modules, though it's not sure yet |
| 07:46:40 | eigma | yeah, it sure makes sense to have avi parsing in userspace.. anyway |
| 07:46:45 | eigma | glad to see the project is still active :) |
| 07:47:11 | nerochiaro | eigma: glad too :) |
| 07:47:22 | nerochiaro | hopefully it will stay that way |
| 07:47:47 | * | scorche spots offtopic chatter |
| 07:47:56 | arrrghhh | uh nothing? |
| 07:48:01 | * | nerochiaro quietly drops subject, hides in corner |
| 07:48:09 | eigma | sorry.. |
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| 07:50:56 | scorche | you dont have to drop the subject...there are alternative channels, PMs, etc |
| 07:51:16 | eigma | the topic is dead.. YOU KILLED IT!11ONE!! ;) |
| 07:51:20 | Frnzy | does anyone know offhand what the average sansa e2xx runtime is with both standard and rockbox firmware? |
| 07:51:26 | daurn | there is of course #neuros :P |
| 07:51:41 | Frnzy | i'm trying to get an idea how long it should be on the refurbished one i just bought |
| 07:51:41 | nerochiaro | scorche: i was just dropping it here in fact ;) |
| 07:51:43 | eigma | heyyy darunimator; /me switched channel before he gets clubbed |
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| 08:20:42 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Thanks for testing the Sansa bootloader with my usb patch. |
| 08:21:34 | Frnzy | linuxstb: sorry to butt in, but just curious, what does the patch you just mentioned do? |
| 08:21:55 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7691 |
| 08:22:03 | Frnzy | thanks. |
| 08:22:12 | linuxstb | np |
| 08:24:40 | GodEater_ | anyone resurrected the build system yet ? |
| 08:24:53 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I think you could change the sleep(HZ/4) to sleep(HZ/10) - the usb_detect() shouldn't take more than 1/2 second to detect USB (that's what the timeout is when distinguishing between USB and charger when the detection happens in Rockbox). In most cases it should be around 200ms. |
| 08:25:29 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Yes, it's alive again |
| 08:25:38 | ddalton | what was wrong? |
| 08:25:42 | ddalton | with it? |
| 08:26:12 | linuxstb | The local checkout of svn on the build server was locked for some reason - meaning svn update failed. |
| 08:26:27 | ddalton | are ok what was wrong with it? |
| 08:27:07 | linuxstb | I don't know. Bagder fixed it last night. |
| 08:27:19 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: does that mean you're going to submit your patch then linuxstb ? |
| 08:27:33 | * | GodEater_ wonders why he put linuxstb's name at both ends |
| 08:28:13 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Yes, but probably not until this evening. Real work is calling me today |
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| 08:40:17 | GodEater_ | do we have any sansa-owning experts around ? |
| 08:40:39 | Frnzy | sansa-owner, sure. expert... not at all. |
| 08:40:45 | Frnzy | i was hoping to find some here as well. |
| 08:40:54 | GodEater_ | JdGordon ? |
| 08:41:11 | scorche | GodEater_: you know better than to ask a question as broad as that ;) |
| 08:42:17 | GodEater_ | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12360.0 <−− this post is worrying me - I want to make sure before I say "Noooo! don't do that!" that I'm not talking out of my ass. Is that a better question ? |
| 08:45:57 | daurnimator | do we have rockbox on 2nd gen nanos yet? |
| 08:46:05 | petur | no |
| 08:46:15 | daurnimator | what is the status? |
| 08:46:21 | scorche | there isnt any |
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| 08:47:19 | daurnimator | :( |
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| 08:48:50 | daurnimator | GodEater: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 08:52:06 | daurnimator | what is the status on the gigabeat s |
| 08:52:52 | linuxstb | The port is in progress... |
| 08:53:07 | daurnimator | who is working on it? |
| 08:53:43 | linuxstb | aliask (although his gigabeat S is currently dead), and (I think) ptw419 |
| 08:53:58 | GodEater_ | and to some extent toffe82 as well |
| 08:55:07 | GodEater_ | daurnimator: that's a nice link - but I don't believe it describes the forum poster's problem. |
| 08:56:53 | linuxstb | GodEater_: B4gder seems to know the 1001 ways to repair a Sansa... |
| 08:57:32 | linuxstb | My guess would be that the device could benefit from a reformat - I think you can put a text file on the device in recovery mode to make the OF format the device. |
| 08:57:37 | GodEater_ | I just thought that "deleting your .rockbox directory from within rockbox" seemed liked a bad start |
| 08:58:57 | linuxstb | I can't see why it would help, but it shouldn't do any harm - rockbox can't give the user USB mode anyway, so he hasn't lost anything. |
| 08:59:43 | GodEater_ | No - but it seems unncessary |
| 08:59:54 | GodEater_ | it's going to wipe all the user's settings |
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| 09:00:20 | linuxstb | Yes, but he's most likely going to have to reformat the device anyway. |
| 09:00:34 | GodEater_ | a chkdsk /f won't mend it ? |
| 09:00:54 | linuxstb | If the OF won't start, you can't enter USB mode, so you can't run chkdsk... |
| 09:01:14 | GodEater_ | ah |
| 09:01:28 | GodEater_ | shame e200tool doesn't support a way round that too |
| 09:01:50 | B4gder | around what exactly? |
| 09:01:51 | GodEater_ | it seems to the most fussy of all our devices |
| 09:02:13 | linuxstb | B4gder: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12360.0 |
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| 09:03:32 | B4gder | well, a first shot would of course be to use recovery mode and try to recover |
| 09:04:01 | B4gder | the OF failing to start is a new effect to me |
| 09:04:02 | GodEater_ | is that what the second poster describes? Copying in a new .mi4 ? |
| 09:04:02 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 09:04:12 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:04:53 | B4gder | I think it sounds like a damaged file system |
| 09:05:00 | B4gder | that the OF just bails out on |
| 09:05:08 | GodEater_ | so linuxstb is correct, and he'll have to do the format trick ? |
| 09:05:20 | B4gder | yeah, probably |
| 09:05:41 | GodEater_ | shame |
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| 09:33:33 | nerochiaro | quick question about the sansa version: do i understand it correctly that to load files to the device via usb, i should boot into the original fw ? |
| 09:34:52 | linuxstb | Yes, for now. |
| 09:34:54 | GodEater_ | nerochiaro: you do indeed |
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| 09:35:18 | nerochiaro | but the micro SD card will still work ok, i assume ? |
| 09:35:28 | nerochiaro | in rockbox |
| 09:35:39 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:35:45 | B4gder | even microsdhc these days |
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| 09:36:07 | linuxstb | B4gder: But only in Rockbox, not the OF? |
| 09:36:11 | B4gder | exactly |
| 09:36:24 | nerochiaro | oh, nice. and is it possible from rockbox to transfer from SD to the internal memory ? |
| 09:36:37 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:37:18 | nerochiaro | i might get a sansa then :) or there are any flash-based rockbox targets that are more stable/suggested for some reason ? |
| 09:37:48 | * | GodEater_ gets the impression from the forums that the sansa is the *least* stable flash target we have |
| 09:38:04 | B4gder | well, it is also the most used |
| 09:38:05 | GodEater_ | although I guess the forums are hardly representative of the whole sansa user base |
| 09:38:08 | B4gder | or at least most downloaded |
| 09:38:16 | GodEater_ | there is that too |
| 09:38:22 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Most comments I've read recently about the Sansa is how well Rockbox runs on it... |
| 09:38:34 | GodEater_ | I withdraw my statement then |
| 09:38:47 | linuxstb | But you possibly read the forums more than me... |
| 09:38:49 | B4gder | I've been using my sansa recently and rockbox been running spledidly |
| 09:39:29 | linuxstb | I doubt there's much difference between the Nano and the Sansa - the only two swcodec flash targets. (I'm ignoring the iFP as no-one knows its status...) |
| 09:39:46 | GodEater_ | the Ondio is hwcodec too? I didn't know that. |
| 09:40:00 | B4gder | all the archos ones we run on are |
| 09:40:02 | linuxstb | Yes, all the currently supported Archos devices are extremely similar. |
| 09:40:31 | linuxstb | i.e. SH cpu and MAS mpeg audio codec |
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| 09:41:59 | scorche | so, i mentioned it before, but it seemed to got buried...should we put the new theme site out now, or some other timing? |
| 09:43:32 | GodEater_ | now now now now |
| 09:45:56 | nerochiaro | ok, thanks about the sansa answers |
| 09:46:25 | nerochiaro | and another quick (probably dumb) question : is this the 3g nano ipod that's not yet supported by rockbox ? http://www.apple.com/ipodnano/ |
| 09:47:33 | linuxstb | The current Nano (2nd generation) is not supported. There is no 3rd gen. |
| 09:47:47 | petur | [yet] |
| 09:47:54 | nerochiaro | whops, i should've said 2nd there, sorry |
| 09:48:22 | linuxstb | And yes, the multi-coloured one is the 2nd gen. The 1st gen only cam ein black and white. |
| 09:48:25 | nerochiaro | and thanks |
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| 09:56:54 | advcomp2019 | i see people talking about 3rd gen ipod nano btw i have been reading it is going to be out on sept 5th |
| 09:57:53 | B4gder | yeah, engadget were threatened by Apple to get the pics removed |
| 09:57:58 | B4gder | funnily enough |
| 09:58:46 | linuxstb | They're so dramatic... |
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| 09:59:05 | Frnzy | did they comply? |
| 09:59:25 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:59:39 | advcomp2019 | new pics −−> http://www.gearlive.com/news/article/q307-leaked-images-of-new-3rd-gen-ipod-nano/ |
| 09:59:40 | B4gder | apparently they claimed the picture was stolen |
| 09:59:46 | Frnzy | bah. |
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| 10:00:01 | nerochiaro | they are apple fanboys, they probably did |
| 10:00:01 | nerochiaro | they look like so, at least |
| 10:01:17 | advcomp2019 | i havent and never will own an ipod myself |
| 10:01:40 | Frnzy | it's actually relatively nice, assuming you find a way to manage it that isn't itunes. |
| 10:02:00 | * | linuxstb generally likes Apple hardware, but hates their software |
| 10:04:33 | advcomp2019 | i have wma files that i have and ipods will not plat wmas unless you rockbox it but i have been reading right that wmas in rockbox does not work right right now |
| 10:04:47 | advcomp2019 | play* |
| 10:05:14 | GodEater_ | where are you reading that ? |
| 10:05:18 | linuxstb | There are still some bugs, but I would expect 99% of wma files to be fine. |
| 10:05:29 | linuxstb | There is no seeking in wma yet though. |
| 10:05:56 | advcomp2019 | o ok |
| 10:05:58 | nerochiaro | linuxstb: i think the bugs are in the low-bitrate files (< 32Kbps i think), at least according to what i've seen with that decoder and saratoga's comments. |
| 10:06:41 | advcomp2019 | plus i like a fm radio too |
| 10:07:42 | GodEater_ | well no amount of rockboxing is going to introduce that as a feature to an ipod ;-) |
| 10:07:59 | ddalton | yeah! |
| 10:08:02 | linuxstb | USB FM receiver? ... |
| 10:08:19 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: you volunteering to write the drivers? :) |
| 10:08:24 | ddalton | won't you need to get the doc port working? |
| 10:08:35 | GodEater_ | ddalton: yes you would |
| 10:08:48 | ddalton | or is that all ready working? |
| 10:09:02 | ddalton | I am not! |
| 10:09:07 | ddalton | I don't like ipods |
| 10:09:19 | GodEater_ | ddalton: that was a collective "you" - not you personally |
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| 10:10:25 | advcomp2019 | plus the ipods are too much money imo |
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| 10:19:03 | * | markun thinks the ipod hostility by some people is a bit childish |
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| 10:20:05 | linuxstb | markun: Does BSD have the sg_inq (SCSI inquiry) command or something similar? |
| 10:20:12 | ddalton | well I had one and the hard drive didn't last long! |
| 10:20:46 | ddalton | if I pay $300 for something I expect it will last more than 8 months with not much use. |
| 10:21:10 | GodEater_ | ddalton: if you think the hard drives in ipods are bad - you should have owned a Rio Karma - that was dreadful |
| 10:21:23 | linuxstb | ddalton: But I assume it was replaced under warranty? |
| 10:22:04 | advcomp2019 | i had a rave mp arc2.5 that the microdrive died in after 2 to 2.5 years of use |
| 10:22:22 | ddalton | no it wasn't maybe it was 10 or 12 months I am not exactly sure. |
| 10:22:24 | markun | linuxstb: do you know at which header file I should look? |
| 10:22:34 | linuxstb | markun: It's a command-line utility. |
| 10:22:35 | ddalton | I still have it here but it is no good at the minute |
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| 10:23:38 | markun | ddalton: I think it would be better for you not to buy DAPs with a Toshba HDD, don't you think? |
| 10:24:13 | advcomp2019 | i like flash players now |
| 10:24:45 | ddalton | what's DAPs |
| 10:24:52 | markun | digital audio players |
| 10:25:10 | advcomp2019 | then i has a rio sport s30s that lasted me 4 to 5 years before the case broke on it |
| 10:25:24 | advcomp2019 | had* |
| 10:25:25 | ddalton | I only have h300 but the only problem is a bit big |
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| 10:27:14 | advcomp2019 | is it ok that we go to the other rockbox channel to talk since i think this is off the topic for this chnnel |
| 10:27:22 | advcomp2019 | channel* |
| 10:27:29 | scorche | splendid! =) |
| 10:28:33 | markun | linuxstb: camcontrol is what you are looking for I think |
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| 10:32:47 | linuxstb | markun: OK, thanks. I just wanted to see if the feature was present - Apple have very annoyingly removed it (or at least hidden it very well) in Mac OS X... |
| 10:34:28 | daurnimator | ddalton: what if it was a car? |
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| 10:45:03 | ddalton | what was a car? |
| 10:45:55 | daurnimator | [18:26:07] <ddalton> if I pay $300 for something I expect it will last more than 8 months with not much use. |
| 10:47:00 | ddalton | yeah well it is a bit hard to drive when your blind but I would expect anything over about $50 to at least last a year. |
| 10:48:07 | Frnzy | off topic to th current conversations, but was anything finally decided regarding jpg album art? |
| 10:48:26 | scorche | what do you mean "decided"? |
| 10:48:46 | Frnzy | i guess... is it a goal for the near future at all? |
| 10:49:10 | linuxstb | We still don't have the far simpler "cover.bmp" implemented... |
| 10:49:23 | ddalton | speaking about ipods does anyone know how to test the hard drive to see if it is the problem? |
| 10:49:31 | Frnzy | which generation? |
| 10:49:36 | ddalton | 4th |
| 10:49:41 | ddalton | gray scale |
| 10:49:48 | scorche | ddalton: what is the issue? |
| 10:50:00 | ddalton | well it just won't boot. |
| 10:50:09 | scorche | will it go into disc mode? |
| 10:50:14 | ddalton | if you try to boot the apple fw it will just freze |
| 10:50:22 | ddalton | no it won't and it won't connect to my computer |
| 10:50:32 | ddalton | windows doesn't recognise it. |
| 10:50:41 | linuxstb | There's a "diagnostics mode" in the Apple bootloader - you hold MENU+LEFT as it's booting to enter it. There may be a hard disk diagnostics option there, but you'll need some sighted help to explore the menus. |
| 10:51:26 | ddalton | I have a feeling I tried that but I will give it a go. maybe my new computer might help. (probably not) but I will just let it charge up. |
| 10:51:46 | Frnzy | linuxstb: second question then, any guess on the timeframe for bmp code to be integrated into the main build? :) |
| 10:52:19 | scorche | Frnzy: it wont be |
| 10:52:23 | linuxstb | It was due to be done this summer, but wasn't completed. We're now back to the usual "when it's done..." answer. |
| 10:52:27 | scorche | at least in its current state |
| 10:52:53 | Frnzy | ah. |
| 10:53:18 | ddalton | actually it sounds bad. it sounds like the hdd doesn't have enough room to spin up. |
| 10:53:40 | Frnzy | if you're ready to junk the ipod anyway... i have a suggestion |
| 10:53:47 | ddalton | should I pull it a part and put the hdd in to the correct posision? |
| 10:54:03 | ddalton | what's that? |
| 10:54:07 | ddalton | suggestion? |
| 10:54:10 | Frnzy | with the ipod turned off, hold it in one hand, and hit it firm/hard with your other palm on the back side. |
| 10:54:31 | Frnzy | i know a good deal of people that ended up with another 6 months to a year of life from a clicking ipod by doing it. |
| 10:54:36 | ddalton | Yeah I know where you got that one from! |
| 10:54:50 | ddalton | I will try that it isn't much use |
| 10:54:52 | ddalton | now |
| 10:54:53 | Frnzy | don't do this if you have other ideas to try first, but hey. |
| 10:55:00 | Frnzy | worth a shot if the other option is trash. |
| 10:55:22 | ddalton | o yeah I might try what I said before and then just smash my hand on the back of it. |
| 10:55:29 | ddalton | with frustration |
| 10:56:05 | ddalton | so what do you guys think? just move the hdd around a bit into posision? |
| 10:56:29 | linuxstb | ddalton: If you're going to throw it away, there may be some Rockbox devs interested in seeing if they could fix it and then use it to help Rockbox development. |
| 10:57:43 | ddalton | I will make sure I don't throw it away. I don't throw any technology away. But I want to try and get it working first. |
| 10:57:55 | ddalton | If I can't then you guys can have it some how. Don't know how |
| 10:58:00 | ddalton | though |
| 10:58:14 | linuxstb | Have you tried forcing it into disk mode (holding SELECT+PLAY when booting) ? |
| 10:58:47 | ddalton | yep but the hdd sounds really cramped. The screen doesn't even come on. |
| 10:59:16 | ddalton | maybe that happened when I dropped it but that was after it wasn't working. I only dropped it from about 2 feet. |
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| 10:59:51 | * | ddalton thinks apple have done something. There are lots of people with this problem. Just see wiki. |
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| 11:00:29 | ddalton | any other ideas? Or should I just try putting the hdd into place again? |
| 11:00:42 | linuxstb | That's worth trying of course. |
| 11:00:47 | ddalton | o yeah does it matter that it has scratches on the side if I give it to a dev? |
| 11:01:07 | ddalton | The knife slipped when I was openning it. It isn't to bad. |
| 11:01:17 | linuxstb | No, that wouldn't be an issue. |
| 11:01:30 | * | ddalton just needs some sighted help and then will try. |
| 11:02:02 | amiconn | The hdd can be replaced if it's faulty |
| 11:02:38 | amiconn | ddalton: Btw, the iriver H300 uses the same harddrives as the fullsize ipods |
| 11:03:51 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement |
| 11:04:05 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 11:05:25 | ddalton | amiconn: how much do you think a 20 gb would be? |
| 11:05:35 | * | ddalton doesn't want to break something else. |
| 11:06:06 | ddalton | why does the rockbox sight have info on hdd replacement? isn't that not a rockbox thing? |
| 11:07:25 | GodEater_ | Rockbox is about customising your DAP - so whilst mostly it's about the software, I count Hard drive replacement as something else it's worth doing too - and therefore something we like to have info on |
| 11:07:47 | ddalton | I thought the ipod 4th gen had a mk something 2004 hdd in it here it says it has a MK4004GAH |
| 11:08:40 | ddalton | GodEater_: what player do you have? |
| 11:10:00 | GodEater_ | I have an iRiver H140, an iPod Video 80GB, and a Gigabeat F40 |
| 11:10:05 | ddalton | o the 4th gen and h300 must have the same drives. So this page is saying apple and iriver are as bad as each other with there drives? |
| 11:10:12 | ddalton | what one do you find the best? |
| 11:10:45 | GodEater_ | I prefer the iPod for daily use - it's the smallest - the H140 is the one I use in the car, because it has the longest battery life, and the F40 is the best for PacBox ;) |
| 11:12:37 | k-man | how do i boot back to rockbox if i am in ipod mode? |
| 11:13:48 | linuxstb | ddalton: I expect you can find a 20GB disk very cheaply - from people who have upgraded players to larger disks. |
| 11:13:54 | dionoea | k-man: you hold menu+select |
| 11:14:19 | ddalton | how much would you think? |
| 11:14:20 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Your next project could be implement sound in pacbox... |
| 11:14:31 | Frnzy | bye all. |
| 11:14:35 | k-man | thanks dionoea |
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| 11:15:40 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: I prefer music in pacbox, so that's not something I'm interested in doing. |
| 11:16:13 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Excuses... |
| 11:17:40 | GodEater_ | btw - I have just observed my ipod turning itself on |
| 11:17:47 | GodEater_ | this is the first time I've actually seen it happen |
| 11:20:46 | linuxstb | So there wasn't a mouse involved? |
| 11:22:02 | linuxstb | Have you seen reports of that behaviour from other people? If so, which ipods? |
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| 11:24:00 | GodEater_ | there's a thread in the forums about it where others have reported it (including Llorean, but he wasn't certain it wasn't his fault) |
| 11:24:07 | GodEater_ | so it's at least been reported on Nano's too |
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| 11:25:09 | webguest65 | hello... |
| 11:26:23 | linuxstb | hi |
| 11:27:07 | webguest65 | i cant seem to get the ipod patcher to work for 3G version |
| 11:27:39 | linuxstb | What OS are you running (Windows, Mac, Linux, ...) ? |
| 11:27:41 | webguest65 | tried unmounting it in disk utility per the instruction manual... |
| 11:28:02 | webguest65 | mac powerbook g4 power pc |
| 11:28:36 | linuxstb | What does ipodpatcher say? |
| 11:28:37 | webguest65 | got the .rockbox folder on the ipod in disk mode... |
| 11:28:53 | webguest65 | says it cant find the ipod... |
| 11:29:29 | webguest65 | i've used my mac to format the drive as MS-DOS format... |
| 11:29:41 | linuxstb | Does the Apple firmware still start correctly? |
| 11:30:12 | webguest65 | no i completly formated the drive, so there is no firmware... |
| 11:30:25 | linuxstb | That's why ipodpatcher won't work - it requires a working FAT32 ipod. |
| 11:30:53 | webguest65 | i thought formating it was doing that? |
| 11:31:04 | linuxstb | You should restore with itunes, and then follow these instructions for converting - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 11:31:44 | webguest65 | reading... |
| 11:32:24 | webguest65 | there is not a partition table that matches my 3G ipod |
| 11:32:58 | linuxstb | Do you know anyone with Windows who would let you restore your ipod with itunes there? |
| 11:33:30 | webguest65 | no, can i use the terminal option? |
| 11:34:24 | rvvs89 | webguest65: http://ipodlinux.org/Restore_Without_iTunes |
| 11:34:26 | rvvs89 | try that |
| 11:34:45 | webguest65 | checking... |
| 11:35:26 | linuxstb | That page requires linux - the Mac OS X fdisk is different. I don't know if the Mac fdisk can do the job - I've never been able to figure out how... |
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| 11:36:11 | rvvs89 | Well, good luck anyway |
| 11:36:22 | linuxstb | Another option would be to wait until the next version of ipodpatcher is released - I'm working on integrating the conversion to FAT32 into ipodpatcher, but it's not finished yet. |
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| 11:38:10 | webguest65 | does rockbox require apple firmware to be installed? |
| 11:38:28 | webguest65 | can they coexist? |
| 11:38:30 | dionoea | yes |
| 11:39:08 | webguest65 | i see, i was trying to format the ipod completely, and then install only rockbox firmware... |
| 11:40:06 | webguest65 | does the rockbox overwrite the apple firmware or just run beside it? |
| 11:40:46 | dionoea | the bootloader choses which one to run |
| 11:40:51 | dionoea | by default it'll run rockbox |
| 11:41:17 | dionoea | but you can also run the apple firmware if you want (which is useful for fast USB transfers since rockbox doesn't handle USB on iPods yet) |
| 11:42:11 | linuxstb | webguest65: ipodpatcher requires a working ipod to start with, but it can remove the Apple firmware and completely replace it with Rockbox. But the default install is for dual-booting with both Rockbox and the Apple firmware available. |
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| 11:42:59 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Just the person... What ./configure options would you suggest for a minimal static Qt build? |
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| 11:45:03 | webguest65 | so if i wanted only the rockbox firmware, i'd need to have apple firmware installed, then run ipodpater with the option to remove/replace it with rockbox only? |
| 11:45:12 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 11:45:51 | linuxstb | Rockbox doesn't replace the Apple bootloader which is in flash ROM - and that bootloader requires the disk to be correctly partitioned with a special firmware partition. |
| 11:46:09 | linuxstb | So ipodpatcher was written to require the same... |
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| 11:47:39 | webguest65 | is there a possibility that future versions of ipodupdater could just install the the rockbox firmware on a freshly formated ipod through disk utility? |
| 11:47:55 | linuxstb | No, I have no plans to implement that. |
| 11:48:20 | * | amiconn seems to have found a solution for the SAPI <-> utf-8 problem :) |
| 11:49:01 | linuxstb | webguest65: As I said, ipodpatcher will soon convert from HFS to FAT32, so you will just need to restore with itunes on a Mac (creating a correctly formatted HFS ipod), and then run ipodpatcher which will convert to FAT32 for you. |
| 11:49:37 | linuxstb | I don't want to add the complication of making ipodpatcher a general ipod repair tool. |
| 11:49:59 | webguest65 | restoring ipod to factory settings... will let you know how it goes... |
| 11:52:17 | bluebrother | linuxstb: you could try the configure line I added to the wiki for the static linux binary |
| 11:52:45 | bluebrother | also, it seems that it's faster if you not use -fast when configuring but then "make sub-src" |
| 11:52:58 | bluebrother | it seems sub-src doesn't work if you fast-configure :/ |
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| 11:54:50 | linuxstb | bluebrother: OK, thanks. |
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| 12:01:56 | webguest65 | says restoring ipod... |
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| 12:05:06 | B4gder | the recent sansa thread on the list certainly shows people's confusion about the sansa models |
| 12:07:45 | linuxstb | I didn't know the R was available in Europe though... |
| 12:08:35 | webguest65 | restored ipod... ipodpatcher located ipod... says "You must convert this ipod to FAT32 format"... |
| 12:08:43 | linuxstb | Yes... |
| 12:08:51 | webguest65 | progress? |
| 12:09:20 | linuxstb | Well, your ipod is functional again.. But you still need to find a way to convert to FAT32... |
| 12:09:38 | webguest65 | mtools? |
| 12:10:15 | linuxstb | You need a partitioning tool that lets you create a partition table according to the description here - http://ipodlinux.org/Restore_Without_iTunes |
| 12:11:05 | linuxstb | Which 3G do you have? |
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| 12:11:15 | B4gder | there's interesting e200R info coming up |
| 12:12:09 | B4gder | the i2c rom dumps are identical to the vanilla ones |
| 12:12:11 | webguest65 | 10GB |
| 12:12:51 | advcomp2019 | i wonder he has a plain with a r back |
| 12:12:54 | linuxstb | webguest65: OK... I just discovered there was an MBR from a 40GB 3G on the server, but without a link from the wiki page. I've just updated the wiki, but that won't help you. |
| 12:13:10 | B4gder | advcomp2019: no, they show two partitions |
| 12:13:29 | B4gder | and can run rockbox |
| 12:13:42 | linuxstb | B4gder: What exactly is the "i2c rom"? Does that contain some kind of pre-bootloader code? |
| 12:13:47 | B4gder | exactly |
| 12:13:55 | B4gder | the pre-boot that loads the BL.rom |
| 12:14:09 | linuxstb | And BL.rom is in the firmware partition (on regular E200s) ? |
| 12:14:13 | B4gder | yes |
| 12:14:26 | B4gder | the news is that the R model seems to be... the same! |
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| 12:14:31 | linuxstb | So that strange... |
| 12:14:34 | linuxstb | ^is |
| 12:14:41 | linuxstb | (insert word appropriately) |
| 12:15:01 | webguest65 | is the next step a partition table or firmware? |
| 12:15:09 | B4gder | yes, but it could mean that the usb code simply hides it |
| 12:15:22 | B4gder | that is actually is there in the same spot underneath |
| 12:15:30 | linuxstb | B4gder: someone needs to upload a hacked rockbox.bin and run it... |
| 12:15:42 | B4gder | there's an ever greater approach coming up |
| 12:15:55 | B4gder | will require someone with lots of guts though |
| 12:16:53 | linuxstb | webguest65: The next step is the partition table - you don't need to replace the firmware as it's stored in the same physical location for both HFS and FAT32 ipods. |
| 12:17:17 | linuxstb | B4gder: What's the evil plan? |
| 12:17:17 | scorche | B4gder: well, if you need someone with lots of guts, let me know... /me can purchase a sansa from a store and find it to be DOA and return it... |
| 12:17:38 | B4gder | plan is getting added to twiki as we speak |
| 12:17:58 | desowin | <B4gder> the news is that the R model seems to be... the same! <- :O |
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| 12:18:26 | B4gder | and btw, of course all this is MrH's findings |
| 12:19:34 | webguest65 | so i have to find one that matches my ipod? |
| 12:20:34 | linuxstb | webguest65: I've already described all your options... |
| 12:21:21 | webguest65 | can i extract a partion table from my ipod if i format it using a windows pc? |
| 12:21:42 | GodEater_ | webguest65: yes you can - but then you'll have lost your firmware again - and the partition table will be wrong. |
| 12:21:43 | linuxstb | Only if you format it with itunes |
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| 12:22:44 | webguest65 | i can do that... how do i extract? i can give you a copy to add to this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 12:23:06 | webguest65 | since the partition for my model isn't listed... |
| 12:23:14 | linuxstb | webguest65: "dd if=/dev/disk1 of=mbr-3g-10gb.bin" - assuming your ipod is /dev/disk1 (ipodpatcher will report the device name) |
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| 12:24:56 | linuxstb | webguest65: Sorry, I got that wrong... Should be "dd if=/dev/disk1 of=mbr-3g-10gb.bin count=1" - otherwise it will copy all 10GB... |
| 12:25:06 | webguest65 | do i run this in windows terminal? |
| 12:25:14 | linuxstb | No, in the Mac OS X terminal. |
| 12:25:26 | linuxstb | You can't do it easily in WIndows. |
| 12:25:42 | webguest65 | so format on windows pc, attach to mac and run that in the mac terminal? |
| 12:25:51 | webguest65 | where will it extract to? |
| 12:25:57 | linuxstb | restore with itunes on windows pc... |
| 12:25:58 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200R#Plan_B |
| 12:26:14 | webguest65 | yes restore on pc first... |
| 12:27:47 | webguest65 | restore on pc using itunes, then extract the partition info on mac terminal, correct? |
| 12:28:02 | linuxstb | B4gder: Why does the bootloader image need to be patched? (and what was it patched to change) ? |
| 12:28:12 | B4gder | it needs to accept non-signed images |
| 12:28:21 | linuxstb | B4gder: You couldn't just upload a vanilla E200 bootloader? |
| 12:28:24 | B4gder | dummy-signed |
| 12:28:30 | B4gder | possibly, yes |
| 12:28:44 | linuxstb | But this should keep the "R" functionality? |
| 12:28:59 | B4gder | this approach should make it work exactly like before |
| 12:29:40 | B4gder | there might be other minor changes in the BL code of course |
| 12:29:56 | B4gder | ah, for example the mi4 files differ so only the original can load the R OF |
| 12:30:06 | linuxstb | OK. Wouldn't it be safer to upload a test app (maybe the Rockbox bootloader) and have a look at what's on the disk? |
| 12:30:18 | B4gder | yes it would |
| 12:30:21 | webguest65 | going to restore using itunes on windows pc... |
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| 12:35:11 | linuxstb | B4gder: In theory, if this goes wrong, manufacturing mode should still be available? |
| 12:35:20 | B4gder | yes |
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| 12:36:57 | linuxstb | B4gder: This seems so obvious, I'm wondering why no-one has done it before... |
| 12:37:30 | B4gder | possibly because there's no dev with an R so there's very little thinking going on |
| 12:37:41 | kugel | probably because noone vistitng that site owns an R model |
| 12:38:21 | advcomp2019 | i have an e200r kugel |
| 12:38:31 | kugel | any why dont you try? |
| 12:38:43 | * | linuxstb points advcomp2019 to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/fresh/Main/SansaE200R#Plan_B |
| 12:38:58 | * | linuxstb also points out the high risk of brickness |
| 12:39:21 | * | bluebrother hands our linuxstb the red flashing color |
| 12:39:23 | kugel | give it a try, rockbox on R would be so cool |
| 12:39:51 | advcomp2019 | that is what i am worried about because this is my only working player right now |
| 12:41:05 | kugel | do you think that SanDisk wont RMA it? |
| 12:41:43 | kugel | is this Plan B actually just making a R to a non-R? |
| 12:42:09 | kugel | because someone did that on the ABi forums |
| 12:43:07 | B4gder | no, its not |
| 12:43:41 | B4gder | and that guy was in our forum as well |
| 12:43:49 | B4gder | and explicitly did what we said he should not |
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| 12:46:46 | kugel | do you mean Guyman? |
| 12:47:01 | kugel | oh |
| 12:47:02 | kugel | wait |
| 12:47:06 | kugel | i confused that |
| 12:47:21 | kugel | sorry, the guy i meant made an non-R to an R |
| 12:47:36 | B4gder | that's been done several times |
| 12:47:46 | B4gder | and back again too |
| 12:48:28 | kugel | with changing the bootloader ? |
| 12:48:37 | B4gder | no |
| 12:48:55 | advcomp2019 | this person did change the bootloader |
| 12:49:05 | B4gder | yes |
| 12:49:10 | B4gder | but I adviced against it |
| 12:49:34 | kugel | the on on the ABi forums changed to bootloader to make a non-R to a R |
| 12:49:39 | kugel | one* |
| 12:49:52 | B4gder | it is the same guy |
| 12:49:55 | B4gder | afaik |
| 12:50:02 | kugel | anyway, i have to go cya |
| 12:50:06 | advcomp2019 | here is the link −−> http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19257 |
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| 12:53:22 | linuxstb | B4gder: How do you convert back if you've turned an E200 into an E200R? |
| 12:53:53 | B4gder | if you don't change bootloader, you just put back the old one using recovery mode |
| 12:54:12 | linuxstb | Ah, so an E200 bootloader will boot a E200R mi4? |
| 12:54:32 | B4gder | yes, if you just encode it properly |
| 12:54:43 | B4gder | I mean we've re-encoded it with mi4code |
| 12:54:47 | linuxstb | Sure. |
| 12:55:46 | B4gder | mrh did it, dan_a did it, I only talked about it ;-) |
| 12:55:54 | linuxstb | Of course, that's all you do ;) |
| 12:55:58 | B4gder | that's me |
| 12:56:01 | * | linuxstb too most of the time |
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| 13:00:06 | linuxstb | So manufacturing mode is in the "pre-bootloader" (i2c rom code), and recovery mode in the bootloader stored on the flash disk? |
| 13:00:18 | B4gder | yeps |
| 13:00:31 | linuxstb | I think I finally understand the e200... |
| 13:00:57 | amiconn | B4gder: Couldn't we sign our mi4 instead? |
| 13:02:12 | B4gder | we don't have the private key |
| 13:02:35 | B4gder | so we still need to do some sort of patching |
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| 13:07:35 | GodEater_ | why do you host mi4code only on your own page B4gder? I've not quite understood why it's not in the wiki... |
| 13:07:38 | linuxstb | So someone with a vanilla E200 could install the E200R bootloader and MI4, and then try and convert back? |
| 13:08:19 | B4gder | linuxstb: hm, yes I guess that's indeed a working approach |
| 13:08:44 | B4gder | GodEater_: mostly because I started it like that and then I try to keep MrH's work separate from Rockbox |
| 13:09:03 | GodEater_ | B4gder: ah ok |
| 13:09:34 | linuxstb | Although it would seem we would need to incorporate e200tool functionality into rbutil if Plan B works... |
| 13:09:46 | GodEater_ | that's what I was thinking =/ |
| 13:09:52 | B4gder | yeah |
| 13:10:11 | B4gder | and the patching of the original BL... |
| 13:11:37 | linuxstb | If this works, then in theory we could write our own app that gets uploaded in manufacturing mode and then patches the bootloader in the firmware partition directly? |
| 13:11:51 | B4gder | true |
| 13:12:39 | linuxstb | Do you know the extent of the patch, is it just modifying a few bytes? |
| 13:13:06 | B4gder | it's just a very minor patching |
| 13:13:27 | B4gder | I have the original and the patched one as well so it is easy to verify |
| 13:13:49 | linuxstb | Are there many versions? |
| 13:13:59 | B4gder | of the bootloader? |
| 13:14:03 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 13:14:06 | B4gder | we only know of one |
| 13:14:31 | B4gder | but that's mainly because we haven't had reason to believe there are more than one so we haven't searched |
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| 14:47:51 | linuxstb | B4gder: Interesting partition table post in the forum... |
| 14:48:04 | linuxstb | Bagder even... |
| 14:48:17 | B4gder | indeed |
| 14:48:27 | B4gder | kind of also points in the same direction |
| 14:48:59 | linuxstb | Do you know what happened when people ran the R firmware on a normal Sansa? Did the 2nd partition remain? |
| 14:49:06 | linuxstb | ^remain visible? |
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| 14:49:25 | B4gder | I don't think we paid enough attention to those details then |
| 14:51:16 | amiconn | B4gder: What would I need to do if I want to change my email address (ml, forum etc)? |
| 14:52:25 | B4gder | on the ml, go to http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rockbox and http://cool.haxx.se/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rockbox-dev to change email, subscribe a new and remove the old I guess |
| 14:52:45 | B4gder | hm, and for the -sf and -cvs lists too... |
| 14:53:10 | amiconn | Okay, so basically unsubscribe + new subscription |
| 14:53:20 | B4gder | yes I think so |
| 14:53:24 | GodEater_ | what's the -sf list ? |
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| 14:53:39 | linuxstb | GodEater: It's now flyspray |
| 14:53:57 | GodEater_ | ah |
| 14:54:00 | linuxstb | i.e. all activity on flyspray goes there |
| 14:54:25 | GodEater_ | weird, it's there on the mailing list page - I just never noticed it before |
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| 15:06:01 | krazykit | oh, guess you already saw my post |
| 15:06:57 | * | JdGordon returns |
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| 15:07:33 | GodEater_ | krazykit: and replied ;) |
| 15:07:46 | krazykit | that's how i know you saw it :P |
| 15:08:20 | krazykit | and "Plan B" looks terrifying. is the e200r recoverable by JTAG? (don't have an R) |
| 15:09:17 | JdGordon | linuxstb: the usb detection time in the bootloader isnt a problem.. but it may be actually in rockbox (for some reason we dont reboot on usb like the other pp targets), so id unno |
| 15:10:29 | B4gder | hah, it turns out MrH did in fact put the R model BL on his sansa and made it start the R mi4 back in march |
| 15:10:52 | GodEater_ | so did he check the partition table too ? |
| 15:11:00 | B4gder | no |
| 15:11:05 | GodEater_ | darn |
| 15:11:12 | B4gder | but we're quite sure it is the same |
| 15:11:37 | GodEater_ | oh - aren't we expecting the R firmware to not show the hidden partition over USB ? |
| 15:11:40 | B4gder | he checked out those "i2c rom" dumps and theyt are the same |
| 15:11:55 | B4gder | GodEater_: yes, but we think that's just for show over usb |
| 15:12:08 | GodEater_ | but doing the check with the R firmware would confirm it |
| 15:12:19 | B4gder | yes |
| 15:12:34 | * | GodEater_ wills the e200R owners out there to grow some balls :) |
| 15:13:21 | scorche | well, if someone hasnt by tomorrow when i wake up, i might just go get one... |
| 15:13:27 | linuxstb | JdGordon: IIUC, the bootloader waits up to 1.25 seconds to see if there's a usb connection? I was just suggesting to make that delay shorter to speed up booting. |
| 15:13:37 | B4gder | we're now actually quite sure this is the case |
| 15:13:45 | B4gder | and it makes perfect sense to me |
| 15:14:04 | * | GodEater_ would still like to see it confirmed |
| 15:14:06 | JdGordon | linuxstb: possibly, but really its not noticable.. comapred with how long the OF actually takes to boot |
| 15:14:27 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I'm talking about normal booting without usb inserted. |
| 15:14:39 | scorche | B4gder: in case i do, what does "get the BL.rom image from ... " refer to? |
| 15:14:49 | tumu | very fast boot would allow using power button as quick standby button |
| 15:14:54 | B4gder | ah, I forgot to fill in the URL |
| 15:14:59 | JdGordon | oh! |
| 15:15:04 | * | JdGordon half drunk and 3/4 asleep :p |
| 15:15:11 | scorche | whats new? |
| 15:15:19 | JdGordon | :D |
| 15:15:33 | * | linuxstb instructs JdGordon to drink coffee |
| 15:16:03 | * | JdGordon ates coffee |
| 15:16:13 | JdGordon | and having it right before bed time isnt a good idea |
| 15:16:18 | scorche | no no...you drink it...not eat it |
| 15:16:19 | JdGordon | s/ates/hates |
| 15:16:44 | linuxstb | OK, have a cup of tea instead... |
| 15:16:58 | * | JdGordon has an idea to unKISS the pp bootloader to make the usb detection not block at all |
| 15:17:18 | scorche | unKISS? |
| 15:17:24 | krazykit | keep it simple stupid? |
| 15:17:25 | * | scorche steps back and waits for the barrage |
| 15:18:00 | tumu | one could begin to load rockbox fw and throw it away if usb is detected |
| 15:18:16 | linuxstb | One could implement USB mode in Rockbox... |
| 15:18:59 | linuxstb | Does the Sansa come with a proper charger, or does it only charge via USB? |
| 15:19:01 | JdGordon | tumu: thats pretty much what I was thinking,.. but yeah, hopefully we wil have usb in rockbox soon |
| 15:19:06 | JdGordon | only usb |
| 15:19:08 | tumu | via usb |
| 15:19:19 | JdGordon | but usb wall chargers work |
| 15:20:03 | tumu | JdGordon, same could be done for OF triggering |
| 15:20:12 | linuxstb | A simpler check would be to just check for USB power - that can be done instantly, but of course means that booting with a USB wall charger would launch the OF |
| 15:20:42 | JdGordon | linuxstb: thats OK imho, charging in the OF is much faster than in rockbox (unless that was fixed...) |
| 15:21:53 | linuxstb | You could try "if (UDC_OTGSC & 0x800) { btn |= BOOTLOADER_BOOT_OF; }" |
| 15:21:56 | JdGordon | ... or, could we only check for usb if there is usb power? |
| 15:22:14 | linuxstb | Yes, you could do that. |
| 15:22:30 | tumu | duh |
| 15:24:21 | JdGordon | anyone care to test this out? the OF freezes when I try booting it unless i delete all my music first :( |
| 15:24:57 | linuxstb | So you're currently without USB mode and the ability to update Rockbox? |
| 15:25:12 | GodEater_ | sounds like that forum post from this morning... |
| 15:25:17 | B4gder | indeed |
| 15:26:24 | delYsid | what keys does the simulator use on the keyboard? |
| 15:26:33 | delYsid | I'd like to test chessbox with the simulator |
| 15:26:38 | linuxstb | Run the sim with "−−background" (I think) to see them |
| 15:26:58 | delYsid | well, I am blind :-) |
| 15:27:11 | linuxstb | Oops... Which sim are you using? |
| 15:27:33 | delYsid | which sim? I simulate a sansa e200 |
| 15:27:44 | JdGordon | linuxstb: yes and no.. i deleted my music this moring to do the test for you before reloading it all.. and i have a microsd card to update rockbox so its not really a big deal |
| 15:28:10 | linuxstb | delYsid: There are some keymaps in the wiki - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator The Sansa isn't included, but they should be similar to the other devices. |
| 15:28:11 | tumu | quick, someone break microsd support :) |
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| 15:28:23 | * | JdGordon wonders if we can make a bootloader updater plugin |
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| 15:28:39 | * | linuxstb points JdGordon to the sansapatcher source - it shouldn't be too hard |
| 15:28:56 | JdGordon | maybe something for the weekend |
| 15:31:02 | obo | JdGordon: do you have it set to resume the last screen? |
| 15:31:26 | obo | JdGordon: ignore me, misread :( |
| 15:32:41 | B4gder | "I already felt invincible back in March so I just took the leap" / MrH |
| 15:32:50 | B4gder | there you are ;-) |
| 15:33:47 | B4gder | this just might make his ego a little too big ;-) |
| 15:33:48 | JdGordon | linuxstb: good call... boots 1 sec faster now :) |
| 15:34:16 | JdGordon | and usb detection still works |
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| 15:35:19 | delYsid | btw, I have talk support in plugins working here. |
| 15:35:44 | GodEater_ | delYsid: Nice :) |
| 15:35:45 | rasher | delYsid: Where are the additional clips located? |
| 15:35:48 | delYsid | I only had to add the function pointers to plugin_api and frob genlang a bit to factor out the enum into a separate header |
| 15:36:03 | delYsid | rasher: in the standard voice file for now. |
| 15:36:10 | rasher | Ouch |
| 15:36:13 | JdGordon | and ID2P and str() macros? |
| 15:36:27 | B4gder | it could be within the same file, it would just need a smarter loader... |
| 15:36:53 | delYsid | JdGordon: They are not exported to plugins yet, I only needed the IDs for talk_id and friends |
| 15:37:34 | delYsid | rasher: I know thats not optimal, but I had to start somewhere :) |
| 15:37:53 | rasher | Yes, of course |
| 15:38:03 | rasher | How about the strings? (for translations) |
| 15:38:37 | delYsid | well, strings are not directly available since lang.o is not linked to the plugins. |
| 15:38:50 | delYsid | but I was thinking to put the pointer to the strings array into plugin_api... |
| 15:39:24 | JdGordon | linuxstb: can you add the (UDC_OTGSC & 0x800) into the while() in main-pp.c when you next update your patch? or should that get added seperatly? |
| 15:39:43 | delYsid | btw, can anyone tell me why the plugins submenu items are not spoken? I can hear "Games" and "Applications" and "Demos" but no subitems. |
| 15:39:58 | JdGordon | because the subitmes are files |
| 15:40:04 | JdGordon | not special names like the group names |
| 15:40:09 | rasher | delYsid: I believe it should be spelled, if you have that turned on |
| 15:40:26 | delYsid | ah, not changed any settings yyet. |
| 15:40:39 | delYsid | so, back to figuring my keymap out |
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| 16:01:32 | JdGordon | x! |
| 16:01:37 | JdGordon | gniote all |
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| 16:38:37 | O112358 | hmm, is there any way to check what new things have been implemented between rockbox releases? |
| 16:38:56 | chrisjs169 | I'm going to talk on here instead of the community channel, since it's logged |
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| 16:39:03 | linuxstb | O112358: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
| 16:39:12 | chrisjs169 | As I said in the other channel, I'm willing to risk my Sansa |
| 16:39:18 | chrisjs169 | (end intro) |
| 16:39:21 | B4gder | and between releases might not be that interesting ;-) |
| 16:39:37 | O112358 | yum!.. i mean between one realease and another |
| 16:39:38 | chrisjs169 | What are the exact steps I need to do to get this to (possibly) work? |
| 16:39:56 | B4gder | O112358: well, we haven't done a release in ages that's what I meant |
| 16:40:04 | chrisjs169 | Put BOTH the e200R firmware and bootloader on to my e200? |
| 16:40:10 | B4gder | chrisjs169: did you read the plan B steps? |
| 16:40:12 | chrisjs169 | and then follow the steps in Plan B? |
| 16:40:15 | O112358 | between one version and another? |
| 16:40:23 | B4gder | chrisjs169: you have a plain e200? |
| 16:40:27 | chrisjs169 | B4gder, yes |
| 16:40:35 | B4gder | then it's really not that interesting, imo |
| 16:40:38 | B4gder | we know that works |
| 16:40:44 | chrisjs169 | ? |
| 16:40:58 | B4gder | but feel free to experiment if you feel like it |
| 16:41:19 | linuxstb | B4gder: The full conversion with both R bootloader and R mi4, and then converting back wouldn't tell us anything? |
| 16:41:37 | B4gder | it turns out that was what MrH already did back in march |
| 16:41:42 | B4gder | it would give us something though |
| 16:41:49 | linuxstb | B4gder: How did he convert back? |
| 16:41:49 | B4gder | it could show the fdisk output for example |
| 16:41:53 | B4gder | e200tool |
| 16:41:57 | chrisjs169 | so would it be worth-while? |
| 16:42:13 | B4gder | yes, it could be useful |
| 16:42:18 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 16:42:41 | linuxstb | B4gder: Using the "plan B" approach? |
| 16:42:43 | B4gder | chrisjs169: you familiar with the sansa, mi4 and bl details and procedures? |
| 16:43:24 | B4gder | linuxstb: basically, since the R model BL can't be "upgraded" with a new BL using e200tool is the only way to get back |
| 16:43:33 | chrisjs169 | B4gder, I've used e200tool plenty of times, and am familiar with mi4 and the bl (somewhat) |
| 16:43:51 | B4gder | then may the game start! |
| 16:44:00 | chrisjs169 | B4gder, so I need to do a full conversion (place R series bl and firmware on the vanilla) and then the steps in Plan B? |
| 16:44:22 | B4gder | chrisjs169: yes, but focus on making a full => R model convert first |
| 16:44:33 | linuxstb | chrisjs169: First thing to do would be to run fdisk on your current Sansa and keep a record of the current fdisk output. |
| 16:44:36 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 16:44:39 | B4gder | indeed |
| 16:45:12 | B4gder | it would also make sense if you do a careful log of everything you do, for easier later explanations etc |
| 16:45:17 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 16:45:46 | chrisjs169 | so do the same thing clutch did on their R series - /sbin/fdisk -l /dev/sdb ? |
| 16:45:53 | B4gder | yes |
| 16:46:41 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 16:46:51 | * | linuxstb likes -lu - it gives the output in sectors |
| 16:47:36 | GodEater_ | provided he does one or the other both times I don't think it matters - just keep it consistent |
| 16:47:45 | chrisjs169 | so fdisk -lu? |
| 16:48:27 | linuxstb | Yes (or just do both...) |
| 16:48:34 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 16:49:20 | chrisjs169 | fdisk -l - http://pastebin.com/f3fc3c399 |
| 16:49:53 | chrisjs169 | fdisk -lu - http://pastebin.com/f584cc7a0 |
| 16:50:00 | bluebrother | ok ... anyone with open issues in rbutil? I'd like to create a new release soon |
| 16:50:13 | chrisjs169 | so now I need to put the Rhapsody firmware on? |
| 16:50:27 | chrisjs169 | (sorry for repeating any of this) |
| 16:51:08 | B4gder | chrisjs169: you need to put the R model BL there first I think, using the vanilla BL name |
| 16:51:18 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Is it normal for "make install" (for Qt) to carry on doing lots of compiling? My static build finished a while ago, but the "make install" is still going... |
| 16:51:38 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: that's when it installs the trojan |
| 16:51:51 | B4gder | chrisjs169: then use its recovery mode to but the R mi4 there |
| 16:51:54 | delYsid | hmm, the simulator is not 64bit clean, right? |
| 16:51:57 | B4gder | to put |
| 16:52:06 | chrisjs169 | B4gder, ok |
| 16:52:26 | B4gder | chrisjs169: possibly you can put both the mi4 and the BL there at the same time |
| 16:52:36 | chrisjs169 | B4gder, ok |
| 16:52:47 | linuxstb | delYsid: I believe some things have problems (or at least, did in the past)- e.g. vorbis and MP3 playback. |
| 16:53:00 | delYsid | aha. |
| 16:53:10 | delYsid | because here it crashes directly after loading mpa.codec |
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| 16:53:20 | delYsid | it did not on my 32bit box |
| 16:53:26 | delYsid | so I am going to have to chroot then |
| 16:53:49 | linuxstb | Other audio formats should work if you just want to test something. |
| 16:53:50 | bluebrother | linuxstb: yes, if you used -fast when configuring. But I figured that out only short ago too |
| 16:54:17 | linuxstb | bluebrother: We need more tips in INSTALL... |
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| 16:54:30 | delYsid | linuxstb: well, I need mp3 for UI feedback... without voice I cant use it |
| 16:54:43 | linuxstb | bluebrother: But hopefully after what seems like a week of trying, I should get a static rbutilqt compiled soon... |
| 16:54:54 | bluebrother | nice. |
| 16:55:23 | chrisjs169 | Both MI4 and rom file placed in Recovery Mode |
| 16:55:26 | bluebrother | so if there are no objections I'll release 1.0.1 soon. |
| 16:55:43 | chrisjs169 | unmounted Sansa |
| 16:55:47 | bluebrother | hopefully there won't be much new bugs ;-) |
| 16:55:59 | chrisjs169 | bootloader and firmware written |
| 16:56:01 | * | GodEater_ crosses fingers |
| 16:56:13 | * | linuxstb prepares to hide |
| 16:56:25 | B4gder | chrisjs169: I'm about to take off within a few minutes. If you need my assistance, I'm back in ~5 hours or post in the forum or something. |
| 16:56:29 | amiconn | delYsid: libmad (our optimised version isn't 64 bit clean) |
| 16:56:32 | chrisjs169 | B4gder, ok |
| 16:56:39 | chrisjs169 | everyone's leaving =/ |
| 16:56:50 | * | GodEater_ isn't leaving |
| 16:56:57 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 16:56:59 | chrisjs169 | good :D |
| 16:57:00 | GodEater_ | however I'm not a sansa guru, so I won't be much help :) |
| 16:57:02 | * | linuxstb is still here too |
| 16:57:05 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 16:57:06 | * | Soap has popcorn for the show. |
| 16:57:08 | chrisjs169 | lol |
| 16:57:15 | delYsid | amiconn: I am trying to build in a 32bit chroot right now |
| 16:57:19 | * | GodEater_ also has popcorn, and throws some at soap |
| 16:57:21 | linuxstb | Soap: Where's the webcam? |
| 16:57:59 | chrisjs169 | fdisk -l of Rhapsody |
| 16:58:14 | linuxstb | So I assume it boots OK? |
| 16:58:17 | GodEater_ | baited breath here |
| 16:58:27 | * | B4gder does the drumroll |
| 16:58:29 | chrisjs169 | fdisk -lu of rhapsody: http://pastebin.com/f5081282f |
| 16:58:32 | chrisjs169 | yes, it booted fine |
| 16:58:43 | B4gder | I love it |
| 16:58:55 | GodEater_ | only one partition! |
| 16:59:07 | B4gder | exactly the same size |
| 16:59:24 | B4gder | just not showing the hidden one |
| 16:59:29 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 16:59:31 | GodEater_ | hurrah |
| 16:59:41 | GodEater_ | that proves that bit of the theory then |
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| 17:00:03 | B4gder | at least it's another pretty strong hint |
| 17:00:17 | chrisjs169 | so now go into manufacturing mode? |
| 17:00:39 | B4gder | yes, if you're done being an R owner you can go plan B |
| 17:00:48 | chrisjs169 | lol |
| 17:01:18 | GodEater_ | and then go and gloat in the anythingbutipod forum where that chap claims it's very very very impossible to go back again |
| 17:01:19 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 17:01:22 | chrisjs169 | also, on Ubuntu, the mounted icon on the Desktop says "Sansa e250" - is that normal, or should it say "Sansa e250R" |
| 17:01:33 | chrisjs169 | GodEater_, yeah :D |
| 17:01:33 | B4gder | GodEater_: hehe |
| 17:01:54 | B4gder | chrisjs169: hm, that's a very good question. |
| 17:02:16 | GodEater_ | lsusb ? |
| 17:02:22 | B4gder | my dev board said e260R |
| 17:02:31 | * | chrisjs169 just unmounted the Sansa - hold on |
| 17:02:49 | * | GodEater_ grabs his desk |
| 17:03:06 | chrisjs169 | Bus 004 Device 057: ID 0781:7441 SanDisk Corp. |
| 17:03:36 | * | chrisjs169 thinks that's different, but doesn't remember |
| 17:03:59 | chrisjs169 | is it safe to continue? |
| 17:04:13 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 17:04:17 | O112358 | hmm, does anyone know if there are any active irc channels specifically about irivers? |
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| 17:04:52 | B4gder | chrisjs169: sure, proceed |
| 17:04:57 | B4gder | see ya later |
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| 17:05:04 | chrisjs169 | ok |
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| 17:05:49 | chrisjs169 | in manufacturing mode (Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0781:0720 SanDisk Corp. ) |
| 17:07:33 | chrisjs169 | e200tool recover: http://pastebin.com/f5016b9ee |
| 17:07:39 | chrisjs169 | In Recovery Mode |
| 17:08:46 | chrisjs169 | placed BL_SD_boardSupportSD.btl-modified in Recovery mode, and renamed to BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom |
| 17:09:02 | chrisjs169 | Unmounted Sansa |
| 17:09:10 | chrisjs169 | bootloader written |
| 17:09:29 | * | chrisjs169 forgets to turn off hold... |
| 17:09:31 | chrisjs169 | Sansa boots |
| 17:09:43 | linuxstb | So you now have an R with a patched bootloader? |
| 17:09:47 | chrisjs169 | yes |
| 17:09:51 | chrisjs169 | and it boots fine |
| 17:10:01 | GodEater_ | so you can now boot rockbox too ? |
| 17:10:10 | chrisjs169 | let me try |
| 17:10:32 | * | chrisjs169 needs a copy of sansapatcher |
| 17:10:49 | linuxstb | If your sansa is still showing a single partition, sansapatcher won't recognise it |
| 17:10:49 | GodEater_ | rbutilqt ? |
| 17:10:56 | GodEater_ | ah |
| 17:11:04 | linuxstb | You'll need to manually copy the Rockbox bootloader mi4 |
| 17:11:29 | linuxstb | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4 |
| 17:11:37 | chrisjs169 | oh, yeah, just noticed that |
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| 17:11:55 | linuxstb | IIRC, you'll need to put that mi4 in the root of your FAT32 partition - in normal USB mode. |
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| 17:12:32 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb, yes, that's what I'm doing |
| 17:12:45 | chrisjs169 | Unmounted Sansa |
| 17:12:53 | chrisjs169 | rebooting |
| 17:12:56 | polygonal | bluebrother: here? |
| 17:13:08 | chrisjs169 | booting into OF |
| 17:13:29 | chrisjs169 | Firmware upgrade completed |
| 17:13:35 | chrisjs169 | rebooting |
| 17:13:53 | chrisjs169 | waiting... |
| 17:14:11 | chrisjs169 | waiting... |
| 17:14:26 | polygonal | bluebrother: I don't have the qt tools to compile rbutil or anything, but I can fix any untranslated stuffs when I can test the translation out. I don't really get your comment on the tracker though |
| 17:14:28 | chrisjs169 | should I reboot? |
| 17:14:34 | polygonal | can you explain it more? |
| 17:14:52 | linuxstb | chrisjs169: I don't know. What normally happens when you do a firmware upgrade? |
| 17:14:57 | bluebrother | polygonal: yes. |
| 17:15:03 | chrisjs169 | I haven't firmware upgraded in a while |
| 17:15:08 | chrisjs169 | but i don't remember it taking this long |
| 17:15:17 | * | chrisjs169 reboots sansa |
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| 17:15:45 | chrisjs169 | Still frozen |
| 17:15:45 | bluebrother | polygonal: usually you start translating with a new, empty translation file that the Qt tools generate. That way untranslated strings stay untranslated (and thus show up as english) |
| 17:16:17 | GodEater_ | dammit - stop being frozen! We want GLOATAGE!!! |
| 17:16:17 | chrisjs169 | Attempting to put Rockbox firmware on via recovery mode |
| 17:16:51 | O112358 | argh my new battery fails |
| 17:17:08 | bluebrother | you also don't need to compile rbutil to try translations −− you need to have Qt installed though (to get the tools) |
| 17:17:18 | chrisjs169 | version.txt is mostly empty |
| 17:18:13 | chrisjs169 | version.txt: http://pastebin.com/f67570d3b |
| 17:18:36 | polygonal | bluebrother: well I don't have Qt installed ;) otherwise I will be compiling |
| 17:19:12 | bluebrother | hehe −− as you like. Using linguist for translating is much nicer imo than some editor. |
| 17:19:34 | polygonal | but now if I start with an empty translation file, it probably will take some regex wizardry to move my translated string to an empty translation |
| 17:20:10 | bluebrother | yes. I just wanted to point out that using an empty file would have been easier. |
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| 17:21:16 | chrisjs169 | still frozen |
| 17:21:28 | chrisjs169 | how about i put the vanilla firmware on and try sansapatcher? |
| 17:21:28 | polygonal | but it would not for now, isn't it? Can you make a .pm version for me so that I can test my translation out? |
| 17:21:38 | GodEater_ | chrisjs169: can't hurt |
| 17:21:39 | bluebrother | sure. |
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| 17:22:47 | chrisjs169 | putting vanilla firmware on via Recovery mode |
| 17:22:58 | bluebrother | polygonal: look here: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/ |
| 17:23:03 | * | O112358 cries |
| 17:23:04 | polygonal | and also explain more about what you changed in the language selection thingy - don't understand your comment in flyspray |
| 17:23:11 | GodEater_ | chrisjs169: so you've still got the R bootloader on ? |
| 17:23:15 | chrisjs169 | unmounted |
| 17:23:19 | bluebrother | I renamed the files according to rasher's suggestion (due to the issues I had first) |
| 17:23:23 | chrisjs169 | yes,, the R bl is still on |
| 17:23:44 | chrisjs169 | load main img failed |
| 17:24:01 | bluebrother | previously the selection just showed the name. So the german translation f.e. showed up as "Deutsch". |
| 17:24:05 | GodEater_ | that would be as expected - since the signature is different |
| 17:24:17 | bluebrother | now it also includes the language code −− i.e. it gets "Deutsch (de)" |
| 17:24:20 | GodEater_ | chrisjs169: Think you'll have to put the vanilla bootloader back on with e200tool |
| 17:24:27 | chrisjs169 | GodEater_, ok |
| 17:24:54 | bluebrother | with "de" being the language code extracted from the filename. So I can distinguish between Chinese and Chinese ;-) |
| 17:25:32 | chrisjs169 | GodEater_, so I guess this isn't really what we wanted? |
| 17:25:50 | linuxstb | bluebrother: My "make install" is still compiling away... I didn't use -fast with configure (I used all your Linux options, plus my extra macx options), then did "make sub-src", then su, then "make install". |
| 17:26:04 | GodEater_ | chrisjs169: it's *less* ideal - but if this same process is possible for R owners, then we know they can at least run rockbox |
| 17:26:12 | GodEater_ | chrisjs169: it'll just be more of a pain to do the install |
| 17:26:26 | chrisjs169 | ok |
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| 17:27:09 | chrisjs169 | well, i'm back to my e200 |
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| 17:27:46 | linuxstb | So to summarise, installing the Rockbox bootloader mi4 on a Sansa containing the patched R bootloader and R mi4 failed? |
| 17:28:17 | chrisjs169 | yes |
| 17:28:48 | chrisjs169 | IMO, it didn't exactly fail, but something did prevent it from booting |
| 17:28:52 | chrisjs169 | though it didn't say main img failed |
| 17:29:16 | GodEater_ | what's patched in the R bootloader you tried ? |
| 17:29:30 | chrisjs169 | I dunno - I just used the one from plan b |
| 17:29:38 | linuxstb | I believe the patch was to remove the signature check. |
| 17:29:57 | GodEater_ | right |
| 17:30:17 | GodEater_ | so it still booted the sansa R firmware |
| 17:30:26 | GodEater_ | it just wouldn't boot rockbox ? |
| 17:30:26 | chrisjs169 | yes |
| 17:30:58 | GodEater_ | hmm |
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| 17:31:20 | polygonal | bluebrother: just one or two french strings I spotted, not so bad ;) |
| 17:31:34 | GodEater_ | hanging is an odd thing for it to do though |
| 17:31:35 | polygonal | I wonder if the font in general can be made bigger though |
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| 17:31:46 | polygonal | it's a little hard to read the chinese there |
| 17:32:12 | GodEater_ | chrisjs169: you can at least gloat a little in the anythingbutipod thread though |
| 17:32:24 | GodEater_ | you got yours back to vanilla e200 properly ;) |
| 17:32:44 | linuxstb | GodEater_: But that's "impossible" ;) |
| 17:32:50 | GodEater_ | unpossible! |
| 17:33:02 | GodEater_ | not just impossible - it's very very very impossible |
| 17:33:09 | linuxstb | ;) |
| 17:33:16 | Soap | that's akin to gloating about knowing your times tables to a kindergarden class. |
| 17:33:17 | bluebrother | doesn't it follow the font size of the OS? |
| 17:33:18 | kugel | sup? |
| 17:33:22 | chrisjs169 | yeah :D |
| 17:33:40 | GodEater_ | chrisjs169: seriously - go post a guide for those guys to rescue their e200's and bring them back to the rockbox light ;) |
| 17:34:07 | chrisjs169 | GodEater_, ok ;) |
| 17:34:17 | The-Compiler | Are there some details about the encryption on the iPod Nano 2G (or is there another reason why Rockbox, iPodLinux, iPodWizard, Gopod, etc. do not work?)? |
| 17:34:21 | linuxstb | I wonder if the R firmware was fully functional - i.e. could they buy music from Rhapsody? |
| 17:34:25 | chrisjs169 | I have to leave in a few minutes, but probably won't be gone for more than an hour or two |
| 17:34:36 | chrisjs169 | I have a rhapsody ... |
| 17:34:42 | chrisjs169 | g2g, bbl |
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| 17:35:38 | linuxstb | The-Compiler: Not that anyone has mentioned here. |
| 17:36:11 | linuxstb | The-Compiler: I assume you know about this site? http://www.linux4nano.org/ (I don't know if anything useful is there though) |
| 17:36:27 | GodEater_ | there is another reason as well - we also know next to nothing about the hardware in it |
| 17:37:03 | Soap | there are things we know we know, things we know we don't know, and things we don't know we don't know. |
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| 17:37:40 | linuxstb | GodEater_: A minor inconvenience... |
| 17:37:42 | polygonal | bluebrother: I don't know... maybe... but some charaters are bigger than other though |
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| 17:39:31 | polygonal | but if it follows the system font, etc, than it should be ok - my computer is not really optimized for chinese programs ;) |
| 17:39:45 | * | bluebrother reads about the new features of VirtualBox. Cool :) |
| 17:40:33 | BigMac | Hey, why am I getting permission errors on all folders in my ~/rockbox directory |
| 17:40:34 | kugel | i use vbox |
| 17:40:52 | GodEater_ | BigMac: you removed your own write permissions ? |
| 17:41:00 | linuxstb | BigMac: Because you did things in there as root, and are now trying as a normal user? |
| 17:41:06 | bluebrother | seamless windows support is really nice |
| 17:41:12 | BigMac | Both are possible |
| 17:41:20 | BigMac | anyway I can fix this? |
| 17:41:32 | kugel | a new version, cool thing |
| 17:41:42 | BigMac | never happened before to me, but I am on a new distro so who knows |
| 17:41:58 | linuxstb | I would first try "su" followed by "chown -R user.group rockbox" where user.group are the normal user and group for your files - do "ls -l" to see what that it. |
| 17:42:02 | linuxstb | ^is. |
| 17:42:39 | GodEater_ | user.group ? I always use user:group |
| 17:43:03 | linuxstb | I _think_ I always use user.group... |
| 17:43:28 | GodEater_ | the man page says use : |
| 17:43:55 | linuxstb | I know - I just read that. But . works... |
| 17:44:04 | GodEater_ | ok |
| 17:44:10 | * | GodEater_ goes to the gym |
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| 17:45:47 | BigMac | linuxstb: Should I be chwoning from home, because why would I specify rockbox from in the folder |
| 17:46:40 | kugel | bluebrother: are you familiar with vbox? |
| 17:47:46 | BigMac | linuxstb: Got it thanks |
| 17:49:03 | bluebrother | kugel: I'm using it for building the w32 binary of rbutil |
| 17:49:16 | * | bluebrother leaves for a short reboot. bbl. |
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| 17:57:17 | O112358 | hmm.. is there a chance that a battery could be so run down that the mains charger can't charge it properly? |
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| 17:59:11 | delYsid | O112358: There are devices that refuse to charge on very low batteries, I had a braille display for testing three weeks ago that did that. |
| 17:59:29 | Soap | First - as for the generic question "can a LiIon battery be drained to the point it is no longer chargeable?" - the answer is yes. That being said, I was under the impression that the actual device hardware would prevent such an occurance from happening under normal conditions. I myself have discharged my iPod to the dead-battery-shutdown-point dozens of times. |
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| 18:01:13 | Soap | While I can not believe this has been good for my battery - it still charges. That being said there are numerous posts (both in the Rockbox forums, and in Apple related forums) by people who apparently had to connect their iPod to a "mains" charger for extended periods of time before regaining responsiveness. |
| 18:04:06 | O112358 | hmm.. well the problem was with a brand new li-ion battery that i bought for my h300 iriver.. |
| 18:04:31 | O112358 | i checked the voltage and got about 1/2 a volt coming from it |
| 18:05:07 | polygonal | bluebrother: I updated the translations on the trackder. They do not have the xml header though (I got the copies of them from your website), I hope it's still fine? |
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| 18:05:31 | O112358 | i then tried plugging in the usb cable to see if it would charge better from that and suddenly the player could run from the battery.. so the short time that the usb cable was in must have boosted the voltage a lot |
| 18:05:33 | Soap | That is a very troubling sign. The fact it is a brand new battery should have little influence over you thinking. There are many reports of sub-quality and plain old conterfit batteries flooding the brown-market. |
| 18:05:54 | bluebrother | polygonal: I think the header is not required. I'll check them later |
| 18:06:07 | O112358 | it is a cameron sino battery |
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| 18:06:34 | Soap | OOPS - you replied before I got my long sentance out. The fact your battery was only showing 0.5 volts is what I was refering to as a very troubling sign. |
| 18:06:45 | O112358 | yeah |
| 18:06:58 | polygonal | okay! gone for lunch... |
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| 18:07:25 | O112358 | there's a chance i'm testing the voltage from the wrong place.. but i'm worried that i might short circuit the battery |
| 18:07:30 | Soap | Again - don't put so much faith in the brand of battery you think you own. It appears there are lots of fakes running around. |
| 18:07:58 | O112358 | but the packaging is shiny.. it's can't be fake :D |
| 18:08:05 | O112358 | *it |
| 18:09:20 | O112358 | well.. the fact that it started working when i plugged it into my computer using usb makes me think that there might be a problem with the charging of my player |
| 18:09:32 | Soap | Well, if you got it from the source - I would guess you have good reason to have high-confidence it isn't fake. ;) |
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| 18:10:25 | O112358 | i got this error when my player suddenly went into rockbox "ATA error: -11, insert usb cable and press a button" that would be because the hard disk is unplugged right? |
| 18:10:38 | kugel__ | how long does it take until the nicks are removed after a internet disc? |
| 18:11:19 | kugel__ | kugel and kugel_ are still there...... |
| 18:11:26 | bluebrother | kugel__: if you are registered with nickserv you can kill them |
| 18:11:33 | kugel__ | i am |
| 18:11:35 | kugel__ | how? |
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| 18:11:49 | bluebrother | /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <password> iirc |
| 18:11:52 | Soap | /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <pasword? |
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| 18:12:27 | kugel | hmm |
| 18:12:44 | kugel | just in time |
| 18:12:51 | kugel | it times out |
| 18:13:55 | O112358 | Soap: hmm, so i'm getting just under 4 volts from the battery now.. which seems like a good sign |
| 18:14:19 | O112358 | but in iriver firmware is shows and 3 bars (full) battery |
| 18:14:50 | O112358 | would it be helpful to connect the HD and boot into rockbox to observe the battery while it's charging/discharging? |
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| 18:15:12 | O112358 | would original firmware not be able to cope with the higher capacity battery? |
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| 18:16:33 | Soap | indeed. I was under the impression that 0.5 volts was below the deep-discharge threshold from which a LiIon was unrecoverable. A newer battery of higher capacity should be transparent to the original firmware. |
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| 18:24:26 | Soap | According to Gold Peak Industries' Li-ion handbook, discharge below 2.0V/cell can cause damage to the battery. |
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| 18:25:38 | xDragonforce16x | can someone help me out real quick? |
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| 18:26:04 | xDragonforce16x | im having trouble getting rockbox to recognize my wma songs |
| 18:26:07 | `sam` | i'm sort of slow |
| 18:26:25 | xDragonforce16x | it only reads my mp3's |
| 18:26:38 | `sam` | i think there was some new stuff put in for wma recently |
| 18:26:43 | `sam` | how old is your build? |
| 18:26:46 | xDragonforce16x | oh i have it on my iRiver h10 |
| 18:26:50 | xDragonforce16x | umm |
| 18:26:52 | Soap | xDragonforce16x: Are you using the file browser, or are you trying to index your .wma files in the database? |
| 18:26:52 | xDragonforce16x | im not sure |
| 18:26:58 | xDragonforce16x | i havent updated it in a while |
| 18:27:21 | Soap | xDragonforce16x: The you need to update to the current build. There is no support avaliable for anything less than the current build. |
| 18:27:22 | xDragonforce16x | ummm i was trying to index them in the database |
| 18:27:52 | xDragonforce16x | ok thanks for the help i will try that, brb |
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| 18:29:49 | kkurbjun | hey eigma |
| 18:31:32 | O112358 | okay.. seems like good news, i'm in rockbox now and my battery is charging |
| 18:31:47 | O112358 | is it best to fully charge it then fully discharge it? |
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| 18:33:05 | O112358 | is it normal for the first charge to be quite quick? |
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| 18:34:08 | Soap | The typical Li-Ion charging curve is 80% in X mins and the remaining 20% in the next X mins. |
| 18:34:12 | n1s | O112358: Li-ion batteries like best to not be fully discharged nor fully charged |
| 18:34:33 | n1s | at least not stored as fully charged |
| 18:34:47 | O112358 | does that mean it's fast up to 80% then slows down? |
| 18:35:38 | Soap | yes |
| 18:35:40 | O112358 | and how do i know when to stop charging on my first charge of the battery? i'm in rockbox now so i can view the battery in >info |
| 18:36:20 | O112358 | wouldn't be good to stunt the life expectancy of my battery as soon as i get it |
| 18:36:37 | Soap | There is no reason not to let the hardware handle charging. LiIon has no memory effect - so there is no harm in doing partial charges, and with hardware-controlled charging there should be no danger of overcharging. |
| 18:36:53 | O112358 | oh brilliant |
| 18:37:01 | O112358 | and over discharging? |
| 18:37:08 | O112358 | it should switch off at a save level right? |
| 18:37:12 | n1s | yeps |
| 18:37:14 | O112358 | *safe |
| 18:37:41 | n1s | but always discharging it as much as possible may degrade performance a bit faster |
| 18:37:44 | Soap | Assuming a smart battery pack (with PCB) or a smart piece of hardware - deep discharging of the battery should not be possible. |
| 18:37:48 | O112358 | so the best thing to do would be to do a full charge and then a full discharge then? |
| 18:38:08 | n1s | O112358: no you should charge "early and often" |
| 18:38:10 | O112358 | *h300 with rockbox* |
| 18:38:33 | O112358 | so no need to do some cycles before i start using it? |
| 18:38:55 | O112358 | it says on the battery that it should be fully charged before use |
| 18:39:11 | Soap | Everything I have read suggests that the largest cause of degraded capacity in LiIon cells is exposure to heat. The second leading cause is storage @ full charge. Combining the two (exposure to heat while fully charged) can permantly decrease capacity dramaticly in a short amount of time. |
| 18:39:44 | O112358 | well.. i'm in england so not going to be getting too hot :D |
| 18:39:50 | markun | O112358: a lot of info about batteries: http://batteryuniversity.com/ |
| 18:40:36 | O112358 | nice link |
| 18:42:12 | amiconn | Soap: Yes, but storing them empty is even worse than full. Around half charge is best |
| 18:42:22 | O112358 | that's good to know |
| 18:42:42 | Soap | touche |
| 18:43:20 | O112358 | let's just hope i don't get an iriver full of fruity smelling battery juice like last time |
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| 18:46:04 | n1s | hmm, it seems like gcc 4.2.1 doesn't like our sims... |
| 18:46:07 | n1s | obo? |
| 18:46:51 | O112358 | is there any reason not to use your mp3 player while doing the first charge? |
| 18:47:01 | kugel | i have no probs with gcc 4.2.1 |
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| 18:47:21 | kugel | do you have a li-ion battery? |
| 18:47:28 | n1s | kugel: no warnings when building a swcodec sim? |
| 18:48:02 | kugel | ehm |
| 18:48:04 | Ebert | I have a problem of my Gigabeat not keeping time, is this because of a dead battery? |
| 18:48:13 | kugel | i just build sansa sims, without warnings |
| 18:48:16 | chrisjs169 | back |
| 18:48:24 | kugel | wb |
| 18:48:31 | chrisjs169 | thanks |
| 18:48:35 | n1s | kugel: could you try a nano sim? |
| 18:48:49 | kugel | hmm sure |
| 18:48:56 | n1s | although it shouldn't make a big difference... |
| 18:49:09 | markun | Ebert: do you ever use the battery switch on the bottom? |
| 18:49:29 | Ebert | markun, i almost always have it to the left |
| 18:49:36 | Ebert | what does this do anyhow? i don't know |
| 18:49:56 | Ebert | on "battery on" position |
| 18:50:03 | delYsid | Could any dev guy please look at http://delysid.org/patches/rockbox-talking_chessbox.patch and tell me what I absolutely need to change to attempt inclusion? |
| 18:50:05 | markun | it cuts off the power to the Gigabeat, also resetting the clock |
| 18:50:14 | Soap | Switching it does a full disconnect of the battery, removing power from the RTC as well as everything else. |
| 18:50:15 | O112358 | kugel: yes I do |
| 18:50:31 | Ebert | oh no markun, the clock is resetting with the switch always on battery |
| 18:50:38 | markun | Soap: beat you :P |
| 18:50:51 | kugel | li-ion batteries are pretty undestroyable in terms of loading |
| 18:50:59 | O112358 | nice |
| 18:51:21 | kugel | iirc they just can be damaged when they are stored wrongly (like empty or in extrem heat) |
| 18:51:55 | markun | kugel: or if you discharge them too much |
| 18:51:56 | Ebert | also, after initial commit of the id3 database, when i start it up it says "database not ready" even though everything seems to be there |
| 18:52:02 | kugel | or when you have it full and are using with the ppower supply |
| 18:52:03 | markun | (and then try to charge them again) |
| 18:52:33 | O112358 | you mean having it plugged in while at full capacity? |
| 18:52:46 | Ebert | i guess this is just a load message. (im new to the gigabeat software, used ipod before) |
| 18:52:52 | chrisjs169 | does anyone need me to do more testing with the R series? |
| 18:52:56 | chrisjs169 | (e200R( |
| 18:53:03 | Soap | kugel: If you discharge a LiIon battery fast enough you can quite easily overheat it. Maximum safe discharge rate would be a function of the anode and cathode surface areas, and thus its internal resistance. |
| 18:53:28 | O112358 | that wouldn't happen through normal use though would it? |
| 18:54:05 | kugel | nobody wantds to discharge a li-ion |
| 18:54:25 | bluebrother | Bagder: around? I updated the rbutil binaries to 1.0.1 −− http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/ |
| 18:54:36 | Soap | O112358: If the battery pack is designed for the application it is being used in, that should not be an issue. You would not want to use your iRiver battery pack in a remote controled airplane, though, as the discharge rate would likely be too high - even if the total capacity is sufficient for your application. |
| 18:54:37 | kugel | because there is absolutely no use of discharging it |
| 18:54:58 | O112358 | soap: i wont try that then :D |
| 18:55:23 | Soap | But this is too far offtopic, and I am sorry for my part in doing so. |
| 18:56:31 | Ebert | markun, could the time thing be a memory allocation problem? |
| 18:56:44 | O112358 | well, hurray, my h320 beast is back in action \o/ |
| 18:56:59 | markun | Ebert: I doubt it |
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| 18:57:57 | O112358 | v060917, i wonder how old that is |
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| 18:58:06 | kugel | O112358: You just need to know: You can charge a li-ion at any state of charge |
| 18:58:29 | O112358 | kugel: yeah, pretty useful |
| 18:58:35 | Soap | O112358: 2006-09-17 |
| 18:58:53 | Soap | older than Moses |
| 18:58:59 | O112358 | wow, my iriver has been out of action for that long? :< |
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| 19:00:21 | Ebert | how old are the gigabeat f series? |
| 19:00:24 | O112358 | i just delete my rockbox folder and replace it with a new build right? |
| 19:00:51 | Ebert | zip it onto your folder, so you dont lose the wps and all |
| 19:00:58 | chrisjs169 | also, someone with Wiki access may want to change plan b for the e200R |
| 19:01:46 | kugel | hasn't everyone wiki access? |
| 19:01:58 | O112358 | i'd rather have a fresh install.. i never really fiddled much ^^ |
| 19:02:25 | kugel | you should keep backdrops, wps, font, themes and icons |
| 19:02:30 | chrisjs169 | kugel, write access |
| 19:02:35 | kugel | ahh |
| 19:02:37 | kugel | hehe |
| 19:02:44 | chrisjs169 | lol |
| 19:03:54 | * | chrisjs169 just went back to the E200R for no reason |
| 19:04:09 | O112358 | what is rockbox.iriver? |
| 19:04:17 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 19:04:18 | O112358 | can i delete it? |
| 19:04:55 | bluebrother | no |
| 19:04:55 | n1s | O112358: that IS rockbox :-D |
| 19:05:05 | bluebrother | it's the main file for Rockbox on iriver players |
| 19:05:27 | bluebrother | well, you can delete it. It's just that Rockbox won't work without it anymore ;-) |
| 19:05:31 | webguest65 | what is the mac terminal code for extracting a freshly restored windows pc 3G ipod? |
| 19:05:42 | n1s | O112358: unless you have it in the root of you player, then you should delete it as it's old |
| 19:05:44 | webguest65 | 3G partition table? |
| 19:05:57 | bluebrother | webguest65: what exactly do you want to do? Save the boot record? |
| 19:05:59 | pixelma | O112358: if that file is in the root of your player from your old install you have to delete it |
| 19:06:08 | n1s | webguest65: linuxstb told you before |
| 19:06:25 | bluebrother | no experience about mac but I guess you can use dd on the mac too |
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| 19:06:31 | webguest65 | i know but i've misplaced the code... |
| 19:06:57 | webguest65 | and i finally got it windows formatted, and want to extract the partition table to give to you all... |
| 19:06:58 | linuxstb_ | This channel is logged - http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt |
| 19:07:02 | O112358 | in my root folder i have the rockbox folder and the rockbox.iriver file and i want to put the latest build on it and don't want to keep any settings etc.. so i delete both and unzip into the root right? |
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| 19:07:31 | webguest65 | thank you... |
| 19:07:41 | linuxstb_ | webguest65: If your ipod is /dev/disk1, you want to type "dd if=/dev/disk1 of=mbr-3g-10gb.bin count=1" |
| 19:07:46 | * | chrisjs169|windo has the R firmware/bootloader on windows now |
| 19:07:57 | | Nick chrisjs169|windo is now known as chrisjs169|winXP (n=opera@pool-71-114-128-205.hrbgpa.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 19:09:06 | chrisjs169|winXP | when I plugged the R in, windows identified it as an e250R, but the drive name is Sansa e250. Since that can be changed, I feel it's probably not a big deal - since I didn't format the Sansa first, it's probably using the settings from the OF |
| 19:09:18 | n1s | O112358: yep |
| 19:09:28 | linuxstb_ | chrisjs169: You have a "real" R as well? |
| 19:09:48 | O112358 | and then i have do a little thing in the original firmware so it can boot into rockbox right? |
| 19:09:54 | chrisjs169|winXP | linuxstb_: oh, sorry about that - no, I'm using an e200 (non R) with the R bl/firmware as I did before |
| 19:10:25 | kugel | rockbox doesnt run on that faked Rs, does it? |
| 19:10:25 | chrisjs169|winXP | testing everything |
| 19:10:38 | chrisjs169|winXP | kugel: it doesn't run on the fake or real Rs at the moment |
| 19:10:57 | amiconn | rasher: around? |
| 19:11:34 | linuxstb_ | chrisjs169|winXP: OK. Your forum post made it sound like you converted a real R... |
| 19:11:51 | chrisjs169|winXP | linuxstb_: sorry - changing it now |
| 19:11:56 | preglow | my oh my, visual basic is ugly |
| 19:12:21 | webguest65 | how do i tell if it is /dev/disk1? |
| 19:12:28 | linuxstb_ | ipodpatcher will tell you |
| 19:12:38 | webguest65 | ok... |
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| 19:13:23 | webguest65 | can i just check for that info without ipodpatcher updating the firmware yet? |
| 19:13:55 | O112358 | what do i do once i've extracted rockbox? do i have to open something in the original iriver firmware? |
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| 19:14:07 | O112358 | to creat the rockbox.iriver file? |
| 19:14:13 | amiconn | preglow: ? |
| 19:14:14 | O112358 | *create |
| 19:14:34 | chrisjs169|winXP | linuxstb_: I think I originally was planning to say converted the e200 to and R and back, and must have gotten distracted or something - I fixed it though |
| 19:14:54 | webguest65 | and do i need to unmount the ipod first with disk utility? |
| 19:16:20 | O112358 | how do you create the rockbox.iriver file? |
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| 19:17:09 | preglow | anything new on the state of usb? |
| 19:17:58 | pixelma | O112358: why create? If you unzip the build to your player, you'll have it (inside the .rockbox folder which is the correct place now) |
| 19:17:59 | O112358 | omg.. rockbox looks so new and different :O |
| 19:18:15 | linuxstb_ | webguest65: I'm not sure - you could try without unmounting first. And no, there is no need to install - just run ipodpatcher and then enter "c" to cancel. |
| 19:18:18 | O112358 | pixelma: okay.. i'm still thinking old rockbox ^^ |
| 19:18:27 | webguest65 | unmounted ipod using disk utility and ran ipodpatcher to reaveal /dev/disk2 |
| 19:18:48 | webguest65 | do i just change the terminal code accordingly? |
| 19:19:06 | amiconn | Lear: There is a whole bunch of warnings when the sim is compiled with host gcc 4.2.x ... |
| 19:19:58 | linuxstb_ | webguest65: Yes. |
| 19:20:17 | webguest65 | what is the count=1 for? |
| 19:20:41 | webguest65 | terminal response: dd: unknown operand of |
| 19:21:41 | linuxstb_ | count=1 means to copy 1 sector. |
| 19:22:46 | webguest65 | so close... |
| 19:22:58 | linuxstb_ | webguest65: You need to type the command _exactly_ as I did. I spaces where I put spaces, and no spaces where I didn't. |
| 19:23:21 | Lear | amiconn: Yes, for stuff I didn't touch. But most of those can be disabled with an option... |
| 19:25:16 | webguest65 | my bad, left out =, ran it ok... where does it save the partition? |
| 19:25:17 | Genre9mp3 | Speaking of gcc... do we now use the latest version for Coldfire targets? |
| 19:25:37 | Lear | And I think the same will happen when compiling for target. -Wno-override-init should remove it. (It did for a 4.3 snapshot I tested.) |
| 19:25:58 | Lear | Genre9mp3: No, still 3.4.6. |
| 19:26:08 | webguest65 | just says: 1+0 records in, 1+0 records out, 512 bytes transferred in 0.004223 secs (121238 bytes/sec) |
| 19:26:09 | linuxstb_ | webguest65: In the current folder. Probably your home folder. |
| 19:26:18 | webguest65 | checking... |
| 19:26:38 | Genre9mp3 | Lear: Why's that? |
| 19:26:42 | webguest65 | got it. do you want the file? |
| 19:27:05 | linuxstb_ | Sure. Can you upload it somewhere? |
| 19:27:22 | Lear | Genre9mp3: Smaller/faster code. 4.3 might be better, but it isn't released yet. |
| 19:27:41 | webguest65 | sure. |
| 19:28:08 | webguest65 | do you have public ftp or email? |
| 19:28:16 | webguest65 | file is 4k. |
| 19:28:40 | Genre9mp3 | Lear: 4.2.x+ now support Coldfire, right? |
| 19:28:48 | linuxstb_ | webguest65: Sure, email it to linuxstb at users.sourceforge.net |
| 19:29:18 | Lear | Genre9mp3: 4.0/4.1 does too. But 4.3 will get improved support. |
| 19:30:24 | Genre9mp3 | I thought there was a problem with 4.0/4.1 and Coldfire which forced us to use 3.4.6 |
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| 19:31:10 | Lear | No, they both work. Not as good code though. |
| 19:31:23 | webguest65 | sent... |
| 19:31:28 | Genre9mp3 | ok |
| 19:31:49 | webguest65 | hopefully you can add it to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 19:32:10 | kugel | what is the main reason not to use 4.2.x? |
| 19:32:11 | webguest65 | now just run the ipodpatcher? |
| 19:33:34 | webguest65 | stepping out for a few min... |
| 19:34:28 | Genre9mp3 | According to this: http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.3/changes.html#m68k , 4.3 will have some good optimisations regarding Coldfire |
| 19:35:04 | kugel | is someone willing to answer my question? |
| 19:36:13 | Llorean | kugel: 1) Have some patience. 2) They just discussed why we're using 3.4.6. Obviously given the reasons given there, someone would simply need to show that 4.2.x produces better output, I assume. So the reason not to do it would be "It doesn't" or "nobody's showed that it does yet" |
| 19:36:20 | Llorean | What would be the reason *not* to use 3.4.6? |
| 19:36:29 | Genre9mp3 | kugel: Lear said a few lines above that it 3.4.6 provides smaller & faster code... that is the reason for not using the latest version |
| 19:37:29 | kugel | so its better to use 3.4.6 for building my sansa build? |
| 19:38:11 | Llorean | kugel: No, they're talking about Coldfire. |
| 19:38:13 | kugel | btw lear talked about 4.0/4.1 |
| 19:38:33 | Llorean | kugel: It's better to use exactly the version number that rockboxdev.sh downloads (or that comes with the vmware image) |
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| 19:38:48 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: According to my tests this isn't really the case |
| 19:39:06 | kugel | ok thanks |
| 19:39:11 | chrisjs169|winXP | another thing i noticed - in Rhapsody, it says 20.4 MB is used right after formatting, though Windows says 440KB |
| 19:39:28 | amiconn | 4.0.3 for m68k produces about equally fast code for most codecs (well, those I can test). Wavpack becomes significantly faster |
| 19:39:40 | kugel | sounds like rhapsody adds this hidden partiton |
| 19:39:42 | chrisjs169|winXP | not sure if there's anything important there.. |
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| 19:39:53 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: oh? |
| 19:40:29 | amiconn | I guess it's just laziness that we didn't switch yet, although it might be a good idea to use the same version for all architectures |
| 19:40:39 | chrisjs169|winXP | but wouldn't/couldn't it mean that it's possible to access the R hidden partition? |
| 19:40:57 | amiconn | 4.1.x has problems at least on arm afaik (rockbox running unstable) |
| 19:41:15 | kugel | are you sure? |
| 19:42:04 | kugel | that could be the reason for that i have problems with so many patches (im using 4.2.1 though) |
| 19:42:17 | kugel | but in general it isnt running unstable |
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| 19:42:35 | Llorean | kugel: Are you using arm-elf-gcc 4.2? Why did you not follow the Rockbox development instructions? |
| 19:42:37 | amiconn | These instabilities are most probably quirks in the rockbox code |
| 19:43:03 | Llorean | kugel: Your arm-elf-gcc version is unlikely to be the same as your main gcc's version. |
| 19:43:05 | kugel | because i was new to linux and had problems installing any packages |
| 19:43:16 | Llorean | there are no packages associated with Rockbox. |
| 19:43:17 | kugel | my internet didnt work properly |
| 19:43:37 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: Maybe this isn't the case with 4.2.x though? |
| 19:43:39 | Migit109 | hey people, im new here so dont mind me(sorry for interupting) |
| 19:43:43 | kugel | i could access it with firefox, but not with the terminal |
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| 19:44:19 | kugel | so i used a package i found in the internet |
| 19:44:22 | Llorean | kugel: So when you type arm-elf-gcc −−version it reports 4.2.1? Again though, why didn't you simply download older GCC source, as per the instructions? |
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| 19:44:34 | amiconn | Genre9mp3: My tests quite some time ago showed an ~10% drop in wavpack boost ratio iirc |
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| 19:45:22 | Migit109 | quick question is the battery life on rockbox on a 5.5gen 80gig lower than other file formats |
| 19:45:32 | kugel | oh well, it says 4.0.3, i was sure i had 4.2.1 |
| 19:45:37 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: sounds promising |
| 19:46:00 | Llorean | Migit109: "other file formats"? |
| 19:46:05 | advcomp2019 | chrisjs169|winXP: one thing that is true with the r version is that they can play rax and aac files |
| 19:46:06 | amiconn | All other codecs performed about the same (+/- 1% boost ratio) |
| 19:46:07 | krazykit | Migit109, file formats? rockbox has a lower battery life than the original firmware. |
| 19:46:31 | Migit109 | like compared to .mp3, and .wav and such |
| 19:46:56 | Llorean | Migit109: What *exactly* are you asking? Rockbox isn't a file format. |
| 19:47:06 | Genre9mp3 | amiconn: In gcc homepage there's an interesting Coldfire update in the frontpage (News section) |
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| 19:47:38 | Migit109 | im just asking if listing to a .flac audio file will use up more battery than while listining to a .mp3 |
| 19:47:42 | chrisjs169|winXP | advcomp2019: I can't test that because Rhapsody won't license the Sansa |
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| 19:48:16 | advcomp2019 | you can test aac files tho |
| 19:48:31 | chrisjs169|winXP | AAC being M4a? |
| 19:48:37 | advcomp2019 | yea |
| 19:48:47 | chrisjs169|winXP | they work on the non-R too |
| 19:48:55 | Llorean | Migit109: Well you never mentioned flac before this. Yes flac will probably get worse battery life because the files are bigger and the disk must spin more |
| 19:49:06 | kugel | Llorean: the wiki recommends 4.0.3 |
| 19:49:41 | Llorean | kugel: Yes, for arm. They were talking about coldfire. I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me. |
| 19:50:37 | kugel | i said earlier that i use sansa, however you told me i have done something wrong |
| 19:50:39 | amiconn | Llorean: I would expect flac and mp3 to be about equal in battery consumption on PP |
| 19:50:55 | GodEater | kugel: sansa = arm |
| 19:50:59 | amiconn | Yes, flac needs to be rebuffered more often, but needs significantly less decoding performance |
| 19:51:03 | kugel | lol |
| 19:51:05 | kugel | i know |
| 19:51:13 | Llorean | kugel: No, I told you earlier that 4.2 was wrong. |
| 19:51:21 | Llorean | kugel: Read carefully through what I said to you earlier. |
| 19:51:45 | kugel | okok |
| 19:51:47 | kugel | you are right |
| 19:51:55 | Migit109 | Llorean, sorry about that i was spacing out, thanks for the anwser |
| 19:52:08 | n1s | amiconn: re: newer gcc for coldfire, I tested 4.1.2, Tremor got significantly slower, some codecs wouldn't link because of IRAM sections being full, gcc 4.2.0, same linker problems, crashed on startup, gcc 4.3 snapshot from june about the same result as 4.2.0 |
| 19:52:31 | amiconn | I didn't talk about 4.1.x but about 4.0.3 |
| 19:52:44 | amiconn | And Tremor didn't become slower with that |
| 19:53:10 | amiconn | 4.0.3 is what we use for arm and sh1 as well |
| 19:53:20 | n1s | amiconn: I know, just wanted to share my results |
| 19:53:28 | n1s | didn't test 4.0.x myself |
| 19:53:32 | amiconn | And since 4.1.x makes rockbox unstable on arm, I would expect the same on other archs (also with 4.2.x) |
| 19:54:01 | amiconn | That needs some digging and fixing before we can switch (if we want to) |
| 19:54:17 | n1s | the build with 4.1.x was no more unstable than the regular when i tested it for a few hours |
| 19:54:58 | kugel | jack |
| 19:55:06 | n1s | IMO we should wait for 4.3.0 final and see if that brings some benefit, if not switch coldfire to 4.0.x if it's not too much trouble |
| 19:55:39 | `sam` | will rockbox work on sandisk sansa m230? a friend has one and i was telling her about rockbox |
| 19:55:51 | alienbiker99 | no |
| 19:56:09 | `sam` | ok, all i saw was e200, so i figured it might not, but decided to ask |
| 19:56:13 | kugel | make a port^^ |
| 19:56:19 | n1s | 4.3 will enter "stage 3" in about a week so it should reach final late this year or early 08 |
| 19:56:30 | delYsid | Anyone got time to review my talk_api_for_plugins+chessbox patch? |
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| 20:00:20 | Llorean | delYsid: Is it on the tracker? |
| 20:03:56 | | Part chrisjs169|brb |
| 20:08:22 | delYsid | Llorean: http://delysid.org/patches/rockbox-talking_chessbox.patch |
| 20:08:39 | delYsid | I havent submitted it to the tracker yet since I guess it is not acceptable the way it is right now. |
| 20:08:43 | delYsid | but it works like a charm! |
| 20:09:53 | kugel | Llorean: nevermind that |
| 20:12:28 | GodEater | delYsid: pretty much everything is acceptable on the tracker |
| 20:12:44 | GodEater | it's why we have it |
| 20:12:50 | GodEater | we're just fussy about svn :) |
| 20:13:05 | Llorean | As long as the final intent is to have it included, you should put it on the tracker so that other people can contribute and help make it "acceptable" too. |
| 20:13:16 | GodEater | chrisjs169: you here? |
| 20:13:38 | chrisjs169 | GodEater, yup |
| 20:13:48 | | Quit My_Sic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 20:13:52 | GodEater | do I understand you to say you have not got wiki write access ? |
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| 20:14:04 | delYsid | Llorean: I guess the need to use a webinterface is putting me kinda off :-) |
| 20:14:06 | evil_ | hi all |
| 20:14:13 | delYsid | but I'll submit it to the tracker for sure. |
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| 20:14:27 | delYsid | just wanted to solicit some early feedback from the knowledgeable guys :-) |
| 20:14:29 | evil_ | im again, but i want to ask about non-rockbox question |
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| 20:14:43 | chrisjs169 | GodEater, I currently do not have wiki write access - I haven't needed it before |
| 20:14:47 | Llorean | delYsid: As opposed to what, an anonymous unsearchable public FTP? I'm not really sure I understand the problem with it being a webinterface. |
| 20:14:56 | GodEater | what's your wiki name then - and I'll give it to you ? |
| 20:14:57 | evil_ | i have iRiver u10, and I want replace flash with bigger unit |
| 20:14:58 | Llorean | evil_: This is #rockbox, not #nonrockbox, just as a heads up. |
| 20:15:06 | GodEater | Llorean: perhaps it doesn't voice well ? |
| 20:15:17 | evil_ | where is firmware, on the flash ? |
| 20:15:31 | Llorean | GodEater: Ah, well I would've expected a "The need to us a webinterface that isn't particularly accessible" then. :) |
| 20:16:02 | GodEater | Llorean: I'm just guessing - delYsid may just not like webpages. But since he's not able to see it - I'm not sure. |
| 20:16:06 | chrisjs169 | GodEater, hold on - I don't even think I've registered before |
| 20:16:18 | GodEater | chrisjs169: well pull your finger out then :) |
| 20:16:20 | evil_ | Llorean, but probably nonswherelese i can find such informations :/ |
| 20:16:26 | delYsid | Llorean: thats a personal thing I guess, its just not that easy to navigate complicated interfaces with lynx, you know. |
| 20:16:51 | GodEater | I haven't even look at flyspray in lynx |
| 20:16:56 | * | n1s builds latest gcc 4.3 snapshot |
| 20:17:02 | GodEater | delYsid: do you prefer lynx to links and elinks ? |
| 20:17:09 | Llorean | evil_: Well just because there is no right place doesn't mean you should interfere in the wrong place. |
| 20:17:27 | delYsid | GodEater: definitely yes. |
| 20:17:52 | GodEater | delYsid: interesting - why's that? (If you don't mind me asking) - I much prefer elinks for text only browsing personally |
| 20:17:59 | chrisjs169 | GodEater, WikiName is JackSuter |
| 20:18:23 | delYsid | GodEater: the table display of links and elinks makes tabular page layouts extremely hard to read IMO. |
| 20:18:33 | delYsid | its because screen width is limited on a 80 char terminal... |
| 20:18:33 | GodEater | chrisjs169: done |
| 20:18:41 | chrisjs169 | GodEater, ok, thanks |
| 20:18:49 | preglow | Slasheri: done any research on the dircache unnecessary scan on reboot thing? |
| 20:19:07 | Lear | n1s: Still much larger lcd driver code (the icode functions in particular)? |
| 20:19:15 | delYsid | ok, Ill create a tracker item then and hopefully figure out how to update the attachment one day :-) |
| 20:19:16 | GodEater | delYsid: I shall take a look and see what you mean - I assume our flyspray is an example of such a crappy layout ? |
| 20:19:36 | GodEater | delYsid: you just keep uploading new ones as far as I know - you can't update the original one |
| 20:19:47 | delYsid | GodEater: no idea, I really gave up on using links and elinks years ago. |
| 20:19:55 | n1s | Lear: build isn't finished yet, I will tell you when It's done |
| 20:20:03 | chrisjs169 | GodEater, do you want me to write the howto on the Wiki? |
| 20:20:14 | delYsid | GodEater: ok, thanks. |
| 20:20:56 | GodEater | chrisjs169: just update the e200r page to indicate what you've tried with your e200, and that it didn't work I think |
| 20:21:05 | chrisjs169 | GodEater, ok |
| 20:21:08 | GodEater | chrisjs169: but a howto would also be good if you have time |
| 20:21:36 | chrisjs169 | GodEater, ok, I just started a howto, so it should hopefully be done shortly |
| 20:21:38 | GodEater | heh - I don't even have lynx installed to try it |
| 20:21:45 | GodEater | chrisjs169: excellent work - thank you |
| 20:22:46 | n1s | Lear: also should binutils 2.16.1 work or should I use 2.17? |
| 20:23:13 | evil_ | Llorean, hmm...anyway 'where is firmware written' is also related to rockbox, it only depend for what i need this information :P |
| 20:23:34 | Lear | At least 2.17. If not later than, modify gcc/config/m68k/m68k-devices.def. |
| 20:24:34 | chrisjs169 | GodEater, updated Plan B |
| 20:24:38 | Llorean | evil_: Go read what's documented in the wiki. Either it's already there, or nobody has found out. I assume since you're saying it's related to Rockbox, you'll be updating our Wiki with where the firmware is stored once you find it? |
| 20:24:57 | GodEater | chrisjs169: again, thanks:) |
| 20:25:19 | chrisjs169 | GodEater, glad I was able to help :) |
| 20:25:32 | delYsid | ok, there is FS #7704 now. |
| 20:25:36 | GodEater | chrisjs169: now we need a brave soul like you with an e200r |
| 20:25:49 | * | chrisjs169 points to advcomp2019 |
| 20:25:51 | chrisjs169 | ;) |
| 20:26:40 | * | GodEater wants to make it clear no-one is being forced to volunteer their players |
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| 20:42:04 | GRaTT | delYsid FS7704 committed yesterday breaks your talking chess patch |
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| 21:05:36 | GodEater | how is the howto coming along chrisjs169 ? |
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| 21:07:52 | Migit109 | @godeater, what is this howto about, if you dont mind me asking |
| 21:08:10 | GodEater | e200 -> e200r -> e200 again |
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| 21:10:21 | GRaTT | delYsid I mean FS7174 breaks your talk patch for chess |
| 21:10:30 | GodEater | did Bagder come back online yet ? |
| 21:12:25 | * | amiconn wonders why the $Id$ in sapi_voice.vbs doesn't work |
| 21:12:41 | alienbiker99 | has somebody successfully dont that GodEater? |
| 21:12:41 | amiconn | svn:keywords is set to "Author Date Id Revision" |
| 21:13:08 | GodEater | alienbiker99: yes today |
| 21:13:43 | GodEater | alienbiker99: do you feel like trying the e200r -> e200 bit yourself ? |
| 21:13:58 | * | GodEater thinks he recalls alienbiker99 has an e200r |
| 21:13:58 | n1s | Lear: preliminary report, gcc 4.3 + binutils 2.18 rockbox builds fine with a couple of warnings and Tremor has to be built with -O or -Os to fit iram, still crashes on boot though... |
| 21:14:44 | n1s | maybe I did something wrong... replaced -m5206e -Wa, -m5249 with -mcpu=5249 in the makefile only |
| 21:15:48 | * | GodEater thinks he's scared away alienbiker99 |
| 21:19:36 | O112358 | how do you get into debug with the new rockbox builds? |
| 21:20:12 | O112358 | found it ^^ |
| 21:21:04 | alienbiker99 | nah ive got a e200 |
| 21:21:13 | Lear | Oh, so 2.18 is out. And no iram problem for the core? |
| 21:21:36 | alienbiker99 | i mean it would be cool to see what the rhaspody channels are like then go back to rockbox |
| 21:22:03 | Lear | And how early is the crash? |
| 21:22:39 | n1s | Lear: botloader prints "Result: 0" disk keeps spinning backlight on... so I guess it could be a bootloader crash too |
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| 21:27:17 | O112358 | what's the best way to do a battery bench test? |
| 21:27:41 | O112358 | is it good to have it at full volume? |
| 21:27:54 | O112358 | and should you just have one album on repeat? |
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| 21:37:27 | O112358 | there aren't any newer h300 firmware versions than 1.29 K right? |
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| 21:56:00 | n1s | Lear: Main binary grew about 17kbytes, lcd-remote-iriver.o was about 3 of those lcd-h300 only grew about 400 bytes and lcd-16bit about 130... lets hope they fix some code-size regressions... Also I never managed to get it starting on my h300 triead a buch of different options but a consistent lack of documentation for the new options makes it somewhat tedious... |
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| 22:06:26 | Xorak | argh.. i've been away from rockbox for too long.. can't remember how to do anything |
| 22:06:35 | * | chrisjs169 is back from trying (and failing) to catch a cat |
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| 22:07:30 | O11 | why did the cat need to be caught? |
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| 22:10:20 | chrisjs169 | O11, because he won't let us catch him |
| 22:10:52 | chrisjs169 | I've got an e200R to e200 howto done in 10 easy steps :D |
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| 22:15:27 | GodEater | chrisjs169: link ? |
| 22:16:16 | chrisjs169 | GodEater, http://chrisjs.com/?page_id=57 - I'm planning on copying it over to the Rockbox Wiki |
| 22:16:38 | GodEater | perfect |
| 22:17:35 | chrisjs169 | What should the name of the wiki article be? |
| 22:17:40 | preglow | that rocks seriously |
| 22:18:23 | preglow | oh, you don't have a real e200r |
| 22:18:28 | preglow | then is it useful at all? |
| 22:18:48 | GodEater | preglow: it might be possible to convert a 200r to a 200 ? |
| 22:19:06 | preglow | reading now |
| 22:19:16 | preglow | well, worth a shot, now let's find someone with an e200r :> |
| 22:19:48 | GodEater | we've been trying all day |
| 22:19:55 | GodEater | they must possess both courage, and clue |
| 22:20:29 | preglow | chrisjs169: this is quite a lot of redistributing of copyrighted files, yes? |
| 22:20:35 | preglow | if so, it should be adapted before published on our wiki |
| 22:21:04 | chrisjs169 | preglow, ok |
| 22:21:22 | preglow | is extracting the files in question hard? |
| 22:21:34 | chrisjs169 | which files? |
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| 22:22:05 | preglow | firmware, bootloader |
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| 22:22:46 | chrisjs169 | there's quite a few copies of them around, I just got those two from my Sansa before a firmware upgrade |
| 22:23:12 | preglow | yeah, i just don't want any copyrighted stuff (or dealings with) appearing in the official rockbox wiki |
| 22:23:40 | preglow | god knows how we'll deal with this without distributing e200 bootloaders and firmware, though |
| 22:23:40 | Llorean | Don't we know of e200 firmares/bootloaders at daniel.haxx.se already? |
| 22:23:49 | preglow | Llorean: yes |
| 22:23:56 | preglow | but that's not the rockbox site either |
| 22:23:59 | Llorean | Yeah, I know |
| 22:24:18 | Llorean | But we could provide a binary patch against files hosted there, similar to fwpatcher patching the H1xx/H3xx firmwares? |
| 22:24:18 | preglow | i just wanted to mention the issue, it's worth thinking about |
| 22:24:19 | chrisjs169 | so how should I point them to the firmware/bootloader? |
| 22:24:44 | amiconn | chrisjs169: I wonder why it hung booting the e200r firmware. Perhaps the R has some hardware component that the non-R doesn't have, so that the other way 'round will work |
| 22:24:46 | Llorean | Or rather a binary patch against any pre-chosen specific version of the official files, rather? |
| 22:24:48 | preglow | Llorean: yeah, but should we even encourage people to download copyrighted files officially? |
| 22:25:05 | preglow | 'cause they very probably are copyrighted by portalplayer/sandisk |
| 22:25:09 | chrisjs169 | amiconn, it didn't hang booting the e200r firmware - that booted just fine |
| 22:25:21 | chrisjs169 | amiconn, it had a problem booting into Rockbox, while using the patched e200R bootloader |
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| 22:26:04 | Llorean | preglow: Well, theoretically in the end we won't need the original firmware to install, right? |
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| 22:26:48 | amiconn | Hmm, then I must have misunderstood the remark in the wiki... |
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| 22:27:05 | preglow | Llorean: perhaps |
| 22:27:12 | chrisjs169 | amiconn, fixing |
| 22:27:21 | preglow | i haven't followed the discussion too closely, if that's not the case, we don't have anything to worry about |
| 22:27:38 | Llorean | preglow: Well, iiuc, we could just replace the flash bootloader entirely with our code, at which point the existence of an OF or how it's encrypted doesn't matter. |
| 22:27:56 | preglow | sounds like a bit of work, though |
| 22:28:00 | * | chrisjs169 fixed |
| 22:28:03 | preglow | we don't even do that on ordinary sansas, do we? |
| 22:28:06 | Llorean | Nope |
| 22:28:13 | Llorean | On ordinary sansas we basically follow the iPod path. |
| 22:28:25 | amiconn | We don't do (real) cold boot on any PP target |
| 22:28:31 | Llorean | But on the R, the flash bootloader can't be convinced to load our code without signing it, but we can replace the flash bootloader with an e200 one, it looks like |
| 22:28:37 | preglow | and doing so will mean tons and tons of work |
| 22:28:49 | preglow | we don't even know how to init 99% of the hardware |
| 22:28:54 | amiconn | yep |
| 22:29:06 | Llorean | Perhaps we could also just dump the flash bootloader, and do a binary patch against the dump then? |
| 22:29:25 | preglow | sure, but someone would need to do some original modifications, then |
| 22:29:32 | preglow | we can't just patch against the regular e200 bootloader |
| 22:29:35 | * | Bagder returns |
| 22:29:45 | Llorean | If I understand correctly, we thought we might have a patched original bootloader already |
| 22:29:47 | * | preglow jumps |
| 22:29:49 | Llorean | It just didn't work. |
| 22:30:33 | * | GodEater is keen to hear Bagder's theories on why the patched bootloader didn't load RB |
| 22:31:00 | Bagder | badly generated mi4 I'd guess |
| 22:31:15 | Bagder | how was it made? |
| 22:31:37 | chrisjs169 | I still have the Rhapsody firmware/bootloader on my Sansa (put it back on a few hours ago) |
| 22:31:40 | Bagder | MrH made the pactched BL load a dummy-signed mi4 |
| 22:31:46 | GodEater | it came from your site - how the heck should I know ? |
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| 22:32:10 | Bagder | I mean the rockbox bootloader mi4 |
| 22:32:45 | GodEater | isn't that the one you linked in the plan b section ? |
| 22:32:51 | GodEater | or was that supposed to boot something else ? |
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| 22:33:03 | Bagder | no, that's the plain sansa bootloaders |
| 22:33:15 | GodEater | well that might explain a lot |
| 22:33:25 | Bagder | that one loads an mi4, that when we run rockbox is the rockbox bootloader mi4 |
| 22:33:42 | * | GodEater looks at chrisjs169 |
| 22:34:04 | chrisjs169 | need me to do some more testing? |
| 22:34:08 | Bagder | the R model BL requires a differently encoded mi4 than the regular e200 does |
| 22:34:16 | amiconn | The sansa boot process seems to be *somewhat* confusing, eh? |
| 22:34:24 | GodEater | just a little |
| 22:34:32 | GodEater | I'm just lost with what chrisjs169 did now |
| 22:34:37 | chrisjs169 | so it didn't load due to it being encoded differently/improperly? |
| 22:34:48 | Bagder | chrisjs169: that's my guess, yes |
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| 22:35:12 | linuxstb | IIUC, there's a pre-bootloader in "i2c ROM" which loads the main bootloader from the firmware partition. That bootloader then loads the main firmware (mi4) which is also stored in the firmware partition. |
| 22:35:24 | GodEater | Bagder: and we know how to do that encoding or not yet ? |
| 22:35:36 | Bagder | we know how, or rather mi4code does |
| 22:35:54 | linuxstb | Ah, hence the E200R build target... |
| 22:35:59 | GodEater | so chrisjs169 might have been able to boot RB if he'd had a properly encoded m14 |
| 22:36:00 | Bagder | yeps |
| 22:36:03 | GodEater | mi4 even |
| 22:36:08 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:36:34 | GodEater | in which case then yes - chrisjs169 - do some more testing :) |
| 22:36:46 | chrisjs169 | GodEater, ok |
| 22:37:14 | chrisjs169 | can mi4code decode the mi4 and re-encode it so that the Rhapsody BL will accept it? |
| 22:37:19 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:37:46 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 22:38:29 | scorche | so i take it no one has stepped up to plan B yet? |
| 22:38:54 | GodEater | scorche: not with a proper R no |
| 22:39:04 | * | chrisjs169 forgets the link to the mi4 |
| 22:39:11 | Bagder | chrisjs169 is leveling the field for plan b |
| 22:39:19 | GodEater | scorche: all the R owners are too scared :) |
| 22:39:29 | scorche | off i go to get one then... |
| 22:39:37 | scorche | oh, crap...it is labor day... |
| 22:40:51 | linuxstb | scorche: All shops are closed? |
| 22:41:04 | scorche | i am checking if bestbuy is |
| 22:41:06 | Soap | I'll cough up some cash to buy a borked E200R from anyone with the gonads to try it. |
| 22:41:23 | advcomp2019 | they are open i think |
| 22:41:36 | Soap | CC is open and arresting customers! |
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| 22:41:51 | * | bluebrother notices Bagder |
| 22:42:06 | linuxstb | Soap: From what little I know of the Sansas, it doesn't seem that high-risk. You would still have manufacturing mode to fall back on... |
| 22:42:17 | advcomp2019 | they have the 4gb e200r for $100 |
| 22:42:29 | Soap | Why do you think I'm so willing to risk the cash, linuxstb? ;) |
| 22:42:31 | scorche | a-ha!...they are |
| 22:42:41 | bluebrother | Bagder: can you move the v1.0.1 binaries of rbutil to the download server? Files are located at http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/ |
| 22:42:48 | Soap | smell you later scorche. |
| 22:43:07 | * | scorche goes off to fetch an e200r to break |
| 22:43:11 | GodEater | yay |
| 22:43:14 | chrisjs169 | yay |
| 22:43:14 | advcomp2019 | ok |
| 22:43:16 | chrisjs169 | just say it's DOA |
| 22:43:18 | Soap | And my offer to reimburse the brave knight who borks his Sansa....That doesn't include scorche. |
| 22:43:23 | GodEater | hahahaha |
| 22:43:31 | GodEater | I like how you said that after he's gone |
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| 22:43:57 | advcomp2019 | Soap: did it read that right |
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| 22:44:08 | fm2 | petur: is FS #7667 now good enough? |
| 22:44:12 | Bagder | bluebrother: seeing you removed the wx rbutil from svn, should I remove it from the dl server too you think? |
| 22:44:17 | fm2 | petur: hi btw! :-) |
| 22:44:21 | * | scorche wonders if he should wear his rockbox shirt to go get the sansa |
| 22:44:29 | * | petur wakes up |
| 22:44:45 | bluebrother | Domonoky did the removal to be exact. We don't have a mac binary around, maybe keep that for now? |
| 22:44:47 | Bagder | scorche: as if anyone would know what it is... |
| 22:44:53 | Soap | advcomp2019 ? |
| 22:44:59 | scorche | heh...true...it IS bestbuy... |
| 22:45:00 | bluebrother | apart from that I think it can get removed. |
| 22:45:04 | Bagder | bluebrother: sure, no hurry |
| 22:45:16 | fm2 | petur: sorry for waking you up |
| 22:45:18 | bluebrother | I just wanted to get a binary out with recent fixes. |
| 22:45:26 | advcomp2019 | you said that you would pay someone with a r to try it |
| 22:45:26 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I have a Mac binary now... |
| 22:45:32 | Bagder | bluebrother: 1.0.1 is there, should be visible within the hour |
| 22:45:33 | bluebrother | oh, cool :) |
| 22:45:50 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rbutilqt-1.0.1.dmg |
| 22:45:55 | Soap | advcomp2019: I'll help buy the borked player from someone who tries it and, worse case scenario, borks their player. |
| 22:46:07 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Not very well tested, so let's see what happens... |
| 22:46:16 | petur | fm2: I'll check soon... maybe GodEater can give his blessing before I look (before we get another discussion on dev-ml ;) ) |
| 22:46:17 | GodEater | advcomp2019: the deal is you send it to us if you break it though (right soap ?) |
| 22:46:21 | Soap | right |
| 22:46:27 | Soap | send it to Bagder. |
| 22:46:32 | bluebrother | well, I guess the mac port needs some care ... unfortunately I can't do that myself. |
| 22:46:51 | GodEater | petur: my seal of approval is worth something suddenly ? :) |
| 22:46:53 | fm2 | petur: you had a discussion? |
| 22:46:54 | linuxstb | bluebrother: It seems pretty good considering no effort has been made, apart from compiling. |
| 22:47:10 | bluebrother | linuxstb: that's great to hear. |
| 22:47:15 | Soap | AND follow all instructions to the letter. No "I paniced and overwrote the firmware partition with goatse porn!" types of bricking. |
| 22:47:27 | * | petur refers to the clock-plugin discussion some time ago |
| 22:47:35 | chrisjs169 | how do i make mi4code encrypt the firmware? |
| 22:47:50 | advcomp2019 | o ok Soap |
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| 22:48:02 | Bagder | chrisjs169: mi4code encrypt |
| 22:48:13 | chrisjs169 | Bagder, I know, but wouldn't that use the default? |
| 22:48:33 | chrisjs169 | This worked: ./mi4code encrypt PP5022.clean PP5022.rhap rhapsody - is that correct? |
| 22:48:35 | Bagder | ah, you use the right keyid |
| 22:48:39 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:48:41 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 22:48:54 | * | chrisjs169 prepares to try it |
| 22:49:14 | linuxstb | Bagder: Can I just check you saw my Mac binary? |
| 22:49:23 | bluebrother | Bagder: is the linux binary in a subfolder "linux"? |
| 22:49:26 | * | GodEater crosses his fingers again |
| 22:49:29 | Bagder | linuxstb: got it |
| 22:49:45 | Bagder | bluebrother: I can make it so, yes |
| 22:49:54 | chrisjs169 | it's rebooting... |
| 22:49:59 | fm2 | petur: I think that just the fact the USB connection is handled properly now makes committing of FS #7667 mandatory :-))) |
| 22:50:01 | chrisjs169 | firmware updating |
| 22:50:11 | chrisjs169 | Load main img failed |
| 22:50:11 | bluebrother | well, it's just that I'm updating the wiki page. |
| 22:50:25 | chrisjs169 | wait |
| 22:50:31 | * | chrisjs169 didn't use patched BL |
| 22:50:56 | Bagder | rbutilqt for mac uploaded |
| 22:51:29 | * | GodEater downgrades chrisjs169's A+ to an mere A |
| 22:51:29 | Bagder | bluebrother: which package on your is for linux? |
| 22:51:35 | Bagder | your page |
| 22:51:56 | bluebrother | I just build it statically against Qt on x86 |
| 22:52:05 | bluebrother | i.e. my work machine |
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| 22:52:18 | Bagder | rbutilqt-v1.0.1.tar.bz2 ? |
| 22:52:22 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 22:52:36 | Bagder | thanks |
| 22:52:44 | Bagder | got it too now |
| 22:53:18 | * | linuxstb waves goodbye to rbutil-wx |
| 22:53:33 | * | bluebrother joins linuxstb |
| 22:54:15 | linuxstb | bluebrother: You do know you need to incorporate e200tool into rbutil now? |
| 22:54:18 | * | GodEater stands to attention |
| 22:54:31 | bluebrother | not yet. We need to? |
| 22:54:37 | * | bluebrother looks around for Domonoky |
| 22:54:40 | GodEater | anyone going to read a eulogy for rbutilwx ? |
| 22:54:53 | linuxstb | It seems that will be needed for an E200R install. And afaik it's Linux-only at the moment... |
| 22:54:59 | GodEater | bluebrother: you may well need to if today's experiment works |
| 22:55:06 | fm2 | Is ignoring of iTnus comments still correct with the recent fix to FS #7698? Shoudn't line 955 in id3.c use strncmp instead of strcmp? |
| 22:55:17 | Llorean | linuxstb: By this point I've read one person claiming to have succeeded using it in windows |
| 22:55:52 | fm2 | IMHO it just can't work as it is now (I haven't tested though since I don't use iTunes) |
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| 22:59:36 | chrisjs169 | firmware upgrade done |
| 22:59:46 | chrisjs169 | and it appears frozen again |
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| 23:00:11 | Bagder | frozen at what point? |
| 23:00:16 | chrisjs169 | The Sandisk logo |
| 23:00:22 | GodEater | loading Rockbox I'm guessing |
| 23:00:24 | chrisjs169 | yes |
| 23:00:30 | chrisjs169 | so it seems it's still not accepting it |
| 23:00:43 | linuxstb | But doesn't it give an error if it doesn't accept it? |
| 23:00:52 | Bagder | exactly my thinking |
| 23:00:56 | Bagder | it did before |
| 23:01:05 | Bagder | this seems more like the BL not working properly |
| 23:01:06 | GodEater | bad image or something ? |
| 23:01:20 | kugel | i wonder if it is possible to make a dual boot |
| 23:01:26 | linuxstb | Bagder: Do you know if MrH has tested his patched bootloader? |
| 23:01:31 | Bagder | yes he did |
| 23:01:31 | kugel | booting either R FW or non-R FW |
| 23:01:49 | Bagder | kugel: should indeed be possible |
| 23:01:50 | GodEater | it boots the R firmware |
| 23:02:08 | Bagder | linuxstb: pretty much using this method |
| 23:02:14 | chrisjs169 | I did "mi4code decrypt PP5022.mi4 PP5022.clean", followed by "mi4code encrypt PP5022.clean PP5022.rhap rhapsody" and placed PP5022.rhap on the Sansa (after renaming) |
| 23:02:24 | chrisjs169 | there's no error, it just doesn't boot |
| 23:03:01 | chrisjs169 | what about decrypting the original rhapsody firmware and re-encrypting (just to test it) |
| 23:03:02 | kugel | can the R bootloader boot the non-R bootloader? |
| 23:03:17 | chrisjs169 | can a bootloader boot a bootloader? |
| 23:03:30 | Bagder | the sansa bootloader only boots the Rockbox bootloader |
| 23:03:48 | Bagder | and that then loads the firmware of choice |
| 23:04:10 | kugel | if the R bootloader would boot the noon-R bootloader, the non-R bootloader could boot the RB bootloader |
| 23:04:12 | kugel | lol |
| 23:04:13 | Bagder | chrisjs169: I'm thinking the mi4 header might be wrong |
| 23:04:21 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:04:35 | chrisjs169 | Bagder, ok |
| 23:04:42 | kugel | way to much o's in that sentence |
| 23:05:03 | Bagder | chrisjs169: decrypt it with -s, then make a new one with 'build' |
| 23:05:15 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 23:05:42 | | Part fm2 ("Thank you for the music; hope Magnus will read the question about the iTunes comments") |
| 23:05:57 | Bagder | I'm thinking encrypt is not enough to make a good mi4 out of a vanilla mi4 |
| 23:06:09 | Bagder | or rather, I'm quite sure that's the case |
| 23:06:37 | * | linuxstb builds an e200r bootloader from SVN - using scramble to generate the mi4 |
| 23:06:49 | Bagder | that's the spirit! |
| 23:07:02 | kugel | damn |
| 23:07:06 | kugel | i wish i could help you |
| 23:07:10 | kugel | in any way |
| 23:07:25 | Soap | Rbutilwx was taken from this world and called back to his maker, our lord, bluebrother. We should not sit idly by and feel sorry for the loss, for that is a selfish act. Instead we should rejoice in his passing! We should sing the highest praises of his life's work! We should celebrate the man RbutilWX was and the wonderful child, RbutilQT, he brought into this world and gave to us all! For was it not through the toil and sacrifice of our dealrly de |
| 23:07:25 | Soap | parted RbutilWX that we came to have a better understanding of the greater good that is easy (crossplatform) noob management? For was it not through the effort of RbutilWX that we came to have a better understanding, dare I say, of /ourselves/? This is a day which should go down - not as a mournful day of sorrow - but as a glorious day of joy! I know, looking out at those of you gathered here today, that RbutilWX touched many of you in a special way. |
| 23:07:31 | Soap | I know that RbutilWX is in a better place, and that he is looking proudly down upon you with not a tear in his eye. It is at this time I would like to asked the departed's son, RbutilQT to say a few words... |
| 23:07:38 | chrisjs169 | Bagder, so "./mi4code decrypt -s PP5022.mi4 PP5022.clean2" followed by "./mi4code build PP5022.clean2 PP5022.rhap2" |
| 23:07:40 | linuxstb | chrisjs169: You could try this - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/pp5022.mi4 |
| 23:07:47 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb, ok |
| 23:08:05 | Bagder | chrisjs169: the build command line needs "rhapsody" at the end as well |
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| 23:08:08 | GodEater | Soap - that was beautiful |
| 23:08:15 | chrisjs169 | Bagder, ok |
| 23:08:16 | * | Bagder has tears in his eyes |
| 23:09:10 | xDragonforce16x | *me has a question |
| 23:09:19 | * | chrisjs169 tries linuxstb's copy |
| 23:09:42 | chrisjs169 | rebooting |
| 23:09:45 | kugel | can i do anything to help? |
| 23:09:49 | chrisjs169 | !!!!!!!!!111 |
| 23:09:51 | xDragonforce16x | *what are the types of files that the mpgplayer uses |
| 23:09:53 | chrisjs169 | FILE NOT FOUND!! |
| 23:09:58 | GodEater | woohoo |
| 23:10:11 | Bagder | now that is an error message with smiles in the audience |
| 23:10:18 | Febs | xDragonforce16x: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginMpegplayer |
| 23:10:20 | chrisjs169 | it's easy to fix too |
| 23:10:28 | linuxstb | chrisjs169: You mean install Rockbox? ;) |
| 23:10:35 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb, yeah ;) |
| 23:10:35 | GodEater | yay |
| 23:10:44 | GodEater | champagne! |
| 23:10:51 | bluebrother | Soap: I am your lord? Woops ... |
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| 23:11:32 | Bagder | now we just need someone with a real R target to do this |
| 23:11:32 | Soap | bluebrother: you did write the holy book. |
| 23:11:37 | chrisjs169 | so, to recap, using a modified bootloader, we were able to boot into Rockbox? |
| 23:11:52 | GodEater | technically rbutil-wx's maker is Cassie, with a bit of help from Domonoky |
| 23:11:55 | bluebrother | oh ... and I wanted to read the bible in RL at least once. |
| 23:11:59 | kugel | ask advcomp again |
| 23:12:02 | xDragonforce16x | Thank ya |
| 23:12:04 | Bagder | chrisjs169: yes, its just a removed signature check |
| 23:12:11 | chrisjs169 | Bagder, ok |
| 23:12:13 | Soap | (well, much of it) (well, LaTeX'd it.) (and what proper religion doesn't use latex?) |
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| 23:12:19 | bluebrother | oh, and you forgot the real creator of rbutilwx, Cassandra. |
| 23:12:25 | Bagder | well, "just"... |
| 23:12:30 | chrisjs169 | lol |
| 23:12:47 | * | chrisjs169 goes back to original rhapsody firmware, installs rockbox, and puts the mi4 back on |
| 23:12:49 | * | Bagder created a special page for him today |
| 23:12:57 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mrh.html |
| 23:13:08 | Soap | My apologies to RbutilWX's true masters. I got caught up in the emotion of the wake. |
| 23:13:22 | GodEater | I'm sure they'll forgive you |
| 23:13:42 | bluebrother | Bagder: I like the last line ;) |
| 23:13:46 | chrisjs169 | so MrH is one of the developers here in disguise? |
| 23:13:49 | Bagder | Soap: that'll be 22 ave marias for you until your sins have been scrubbed off |
| 23:13:52 | kugel | Badger, nice that you celebrate yourself :P |
| 23:13:53 | chrisjs169 | ROCKBOX BOOTS!!! |
| 23:13:56 | GodEater | chrisjs169: no-one knows who he is |
| 23:14:04 | chrisjs169 | GodEater, ok |
| 23:14:06 | * | GodEater opens the champers now |
| 23:14:09 | bluebrother | chrisjs169: wow |
| 23:14:14 | kugel | yey |
| 23:14:38 | Bagder | now chrisjs169 can be the first Rhapsody / Rockbox dual-booter |
| 23:14:47 | * | chrisjs169 shoves microsd card in |
| 23:14:51 | kugel | he is a hero, ain't he? |
| 23:15:07 | linuxstb | It's true, MrH is a magician - http://www.mrh-magic.com/ |
| 23:15:15 | Bagder | yay! |
| 23:15:24 | Bagder | and karaoke! |
| 23:15:42 | bluebrother | we should do a karaoke session in this channel ;) |
| 23:15:43 | chrisjs169 | sound works too |
| 23:16:21 | kugel | jack, are you actually able, to boot rockbox from an R'ed sansa now? |
| 23:16:27 | kugel | i cant believe it |
| 23:16:53 | linuxstb | kugel: Do you have an R? |
| 23:17:03 | kugel | no |
| 23:17:35 | Bagder | kugel: chrisjs169's target is not originally a real R, it was converted to one |
| 23:17:49 | kugel | "R'ed" thats what i meant |
| 23:17:51 | * | GodEater is confident we can make this work on a real R |
| 23:17:55 | Bagder | we still await an actual R target for the real party to start |
| 23:18:02 | Bagder | oh, I am too |
| 23:18:05 | chrisjs169 | kugel, I am sitting here listening to music with the Rhapsody bootloader |
| 23:18:33 | kugel | ask advcomp again and again and again!! |
| 23:18:47 | bluebrother | pardon me not getting every line, it's a hacked R bootloader? |
| 23:18:48 | kugel | give him 5 bucks |
| 23:18:48 | chrisjs169 | I can't boot the rhapsody firmware now, since dual booting isn't completely working yet |
| 23:19:01 | kugel | oh |
| 23:19:01 | chrisjs169 | bluebrother, it's a vanilla with the Rhapsody firmware and bootloader |
| 23:19:07 | Bagder | ah, yes I bet it can't load that rhapsody mi4 |
| 23:19:25 | GodEater | that's going to be a pain then |
| 23:19:32 | GodEater | no way to get music on except via SD card |
| 23:19:41 | Bagder | well, it's only a matter of adding a key |
| 23:19:41 | GodEater | until we get working USB of course |
| 23:19:50 | bluebrother | what did you change to trick it running our code? |
| 23:19:52 | chrisjs169 | it tries to load the OF.bin file |
| 23:20:01 | Bagder | ah true |
| 23:20:04 | chrisjs169 | bluebrother, remove sig check |
| 23:20:15 | bluebrother | ah, so the bootloader is hacked. Nice. |
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| 23:21:23 | Bagder | hm, the bootloader should be able to load rhapsody mi4 files |
| 23:21:40 | Bagder | ah, but that of course requires it to be installed with sansapatcher |
| 23:21:55 | linuxstb | chrisjs169: Did you put an OF.mi4 file on your Sansa (with the original firmware) ? |
| 23:22:06 | linuxstb | (in /System) |
| 23:22:06 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb, I didn't think to do that - I can if you want |
| 23:22:26 | linuxstb | If I can read, the bootloader should load that. |
| 23:22:37 | linuxstb | (the Rockbox bootloader) |
| 23:22:45 | linuxstb | There's far too many bootloaders involved here... |
| 23:23:01 | kugel | hehe yea |
| 23:23:11 | kugel | its like a BOOTLOADERCAMP |
| 23:23:18 | kugel | ;; |
| 23:23:31 | kugel | did you get that one?? |
| 23:23:50 | kugel | bootcamp <=> bootloadercamp ?? |
| 23:23:53 | kugel | wel... |
| 23:24:01 | chrisjs169 | ...right |
| 23:24:09 | chrisjs169 | so do you want me to put OF.bin on it? |
| 23:24:18 | * | chrisjs169 wonders if there's a copy of OF.bin around |
| 23:24:33 | chrisjs169 | wait, i don't need it |
| 23:24:38 | chrisjs169 | it also looks for OF.mi4 |
| 23:24:45 | * | petur hands fm2 two tabs and a long line |
| 23:24:55 | * | chrisjs169 boots back into Recovery Mode |
| 23:25:23 | linuxstb | Why do you need recovery mode? |
| 23:25:33 | chrisjs169 | because OF.* isn't on there |
| 23:25:35 | Bagder | no usb without OF |
| 23:25:42 | kugel | use the sd card |
| 23:25:48 | chrisjs169 | no other reader |
| 23:26:00 | chrisjs169 | except for camera, but it doesn't like that card |
| 23:26:10 | kugel | ah ok |
| 23:26:32 | kugel | a man should allways have at least 1 OF.bin on its mSD |
| 23:26:39 | kugel | ;) |
| 23:27:22 | chrisjs169 | OF.bin is what, 6 months old? |
| 23:27:37 | kugel | ok, im gonna cut my internet cable when i make a bad joke again.. |
| 23:27:46 | chrisjs169 | lol |
| 23:28:28 | kugel | shit, i was about to release such one |
| 23:29:06 | Llorean | kugel: Could you please try to stay on-topic, as per the room guidelines? |
| 23:29:21 | kugel | sure................. |
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| 23:32:45 | chrisjs169 | ok, i've got all three (e200, e200r, rockbox) firmwares on my sansa |
| 23:33:18 | chrisjs169 | once Rockbox boots I'll test the rhapsody firmware, followed by the e200 |
| 23:34:40 | chrisjs169 | booting OF.bin... |
| 23:34:57 | chrisjs169 | It's freezing trying to load OF.bin |
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| 23:35:23 | kugel | OF.bin was rhapsody now? |
| 23:35:36 | chrisjs169 | yes |
| 23:35:53 | chrisjs169 | "oddly", the rockbox bootloader notices the 20 MB partition |
| 23:35:56 | chrisjs169 | 0x84 |
| 23:36:04 | Bagder | that's not too odd |
| 23:36:06 | Bagder | it's there |
| 23:36:19 | chrisjs169 | yeah, just the R firmware hides it, correct? |
| 23:36:30 | Bagder | yes, but only for usb |
| 23:36:32 | chrisjs169 | that's why I quoted "oddly" ;) |
| 23:36:37 | Bagder | it is still there |
| 23:36:53 | chrisjs169 | of.bin does not boot |
| 23:36:55 | kugel | can't a partition software unhide the partition? |
| 23:37:16 | Bagder | kugel: no, since the partition doesn't exist when shown over usb |
| 23:37:57 | linuxstb | So the Rhapsody OF is showing a different MBR, not just different disk geometry? |
| 23:38:21 | Bagder | good question |
| 23:39:35 | chrisjs169 | I was able to reload the copy of the Rockbox mi4 file (apparently, it isn't erased until the OF boots |
| 23:39:45 | Bagder | hm, the new obo yellows are weird |
| 23:39:50 | chrisjs169 | but decrypted copies of both the e200 and e200R firmware freeze |
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| 23:40:22 | * | chrisjs169 copies both mi4 files over |
| 23:40:26 | linuxstb | I wonder if the SVN bootloader is broken... |
| 23:41:00 | linuxstb | Can anyone with a Sansa try building the SVN bootloader and see if it boots the OF? |
| 23:41:03 | advcomp2019 | could the OF be a different name |
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| 23:41:49 | * | chrisjs169 starts to wonder if "anyone" is pointed towards me ;) |
| 23:41:58 | kugel | i could |
| 23:42:22 | linuxstb | chrisjs169: Anyone with a E200 - not you any more... |
| 23:42:27 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb, ok :D |
| 23:42:42 | * | chrisjs169 's too busy trying to get this working |
| 23:43:40 | kugel | how to do that? |
| 23:43:43 | kugel | i will do that |
| 23:43:56 | chrisjs169 | kugel, you'll need a copy of SVN |
| 23:44:05 | chrisjs169 | I can built it on my server if you don't have a copy |
| 23:44:18 | * | scorche returns with an e250R in hand |
| 23:44:19 | kugel | yo getting one |
| 23:44:31 | linuxstb | scorche: You have 15 minutes to install Rockbox... |
| 23:44:41 | scorche | heh...wha? |
| 23:44:57 | kugel | is it a real R? |
| 23:44:57 | chrisjs169 | "Dual booting" works |
| 23:45:05 | scorche | yes...it is a real R |
| 23:45:06 | bluebrother | day ends in 15 minutes? |
| 23:45:20 | chrisjs169 | scorche, ok, you have everything needed? |
| 23:45:26 | Bagder | nooo, we're on the internet where the days never end! |
| 23:45:39 | scorche | chrisjs169: well, hold on!...i havent opened the package yet! |
| 23:45:41 | kugel | acutally, what are days anyway? |
| 23:45:47 | bluebrother | don't worry −− if a day ends, a new one will come |
| 23:45:47 | chrisjs169 | scorche, haha, ok |
| 23:46:33 | kugel | ok i have the svn |
| 23:46:36 | linuxstb | chrisjs169: So you can now boot the OF? |
| 23:46:55 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb, I can boot both the e200 and e200R OF |
| 23:47:10 | linuxstb | With that bootloader I gave you? |
| 23:47:14 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb, yes |
| 23:47:20 | linuxstb | So what was the problem before? |
| 23:47:20 | chrisjs169 | using OF.mi4 |
| 23:47:33 | chrisjs169 | OF.bin doesn't work for some reason - it freezes trying to load |
| 23:47:47 | linuxstb | Maybe the .bin wasn't created correctly? |
| 23:47:47 | advcomp2019 | get a third one to boot |
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| 23:48:18 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb, it's possible, but since OF.mi4 works, do i need to retry decrypting the bin? |
| 23:48:47 | scorche | alright...connected to the comp... |
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| 23:48:59 | chrisjs169 | that took forever ;) |
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| 23:49:11 | scorche | or do i need to boot into manufacturing mode first? |
| 23:49:17 | jimmy_ | evening |
| 23:49:21 | Bagder | scorche: you do |
| 23:49:31 | chrisjs169 | scorche, yes, and put the e200 bootloader on it |
| 23:49:51 | chrisjs169 | well, not "on it" but use e200tool recover [e200].rom |
| 23:50:16 | Goldenrod | clear |
| 23:50:41 | kugel | omg how i hate that refreshing database |
| 23:50:54 | chrisjs169 | in the e200 recovery mode, place the patched copy of the e200r bootloader on it |
| 23:51:17 | Bagder | it's a beautiful process ;-) |
| 23:51:17 | scorche | yeah...booting up the vmware image for e200tool... |
| 23:52:00 | jimmy_ | please could someone give me the lodown on playing video files on ipod video 80gb using rockbox? |
| 23:52:24 | bluebrother | jimmy_: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer |
| 23:52:51 | jimmy_ | ye was just reading that, does it only support mpeg atm? |
| 23:53:05 | bluebrother | yes |
| 23:53:23 | kugel | lol again database refresh |
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| 23:53:41 | kugel | do you still want me to test if the bootloader works properly? |
| 23:53:41 | jimmy_ | ok thanks. are there plans to have a fully featured media centre type plugin? |
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| 23:54:07 | krazykit | jimmy_, it'll happen when someone wants to code it. |
| 23:54:11 | linuxstb | jimmy_: What's a "media centre type plugin" ? |
| 23:54:16 | markun | jimmy_: no plans |
| 23:54:30 | chrisjs169 | kugel, I suppose |
| 23:54:31 | jimmy_ | like erm, XBMC for a chipped xbox |
| 23:54:36 | bluebrother | who wants a "media centre" on a dap anyway? |
| 23:54:47 | markun | bluebrother: I guess jimmy_ wants it :) |
| 23:54:54 | jimmy_ | i.e. throw avi, mpg, bin files in and itll play them all |
| 23:54:59 | bluebrother | who? *g* |
| 23:55:03 | kugel | i do |
| 23:55:07 | markun | yes, I also want a universal .bin file player! |
| 23:55:14 | linuxstb | jimmy_: Rockbox is a DAP firmware - throw any audio file on there and Rockbox should play it... |
| 23:55:33 | bluebrother | jimmy_: well, the cpu of the Ipod is most likely not powerful enough to play most video formats |
| 23:55:44 | bluebrother | apple uses a supplementary chip for the video part. |
| 23:55:45 | petur | jimmy_: also compare cpu speed and memory of xbox with your dap and draw your conclusions |
| 23:56:08 | bluebrother | unfortunately there are no specs available or other information about that chip around |
| 23:56:24 | * | bluebrother notes that the Ipod uses 80MHz cpu speed |
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| 23:56:40 | scorche | does it matter which e200 BL rom i use? |
| 23:56:48 | jimmy_ | sorry guys, im new to ipod. will it support standard mp4 files converted using something like Xilisoft? |
| 23:56:49 | chrisjs169 | scorche, not really |
| 23:56:53 | Bagder | scorche: no |
| 23:56:59 | bluebrother | no |
| 23:57:04 | krazykit | jimmy_, read the wiki page. it explains everything. |
| 23:57:29 | bluebrother | mpeg4 requires much more cpu and you need to transcode anyway. So there is no point in supporting mpeg4 |
| 23:57:40 | bluebrother | plus, Rockbox is about playing music, not videos |
| 23:57:48 | jimmy_ | ok thanks for your help. btw, its great alternative for music files, thanks. |
| 23:57:53 | chrisjs169 | scorche, http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom will work |
| 23:58:01 | krazykit | i thought rockbox was about playing doom :O |
| 23:58:22 | markun | linuxstb: one reason for mpeg4 could be the limited fps support with mpeg2, right? |
| 23:58:23 | scorche | i already have that |
| 23:58:32 | chrisjs169 | scorche, ok |
| 23:58:50 | chrisjs169 | so in Recovery mode place the patched R bootloader |
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