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| 00:01:32 | ddalton | How does the radio display numbers with a decimal? For example "87.9"? Doesn't rockbox only use ints? |
| 00:02:32 | bluebrother | it uses two ints afaik: the part before the dot and the part afterwards. |
| 00:02:45 | BigBambi | Speaking of compilers, running rockboxdev has given me a few problems. On kubuntu 64bit, all targets selected, there seems to be a gcc related problem, yet apt-get says gcc is the latest version. Could someone take a quick look for me? http://www.pastebin.ca/682995 |
| 00:02:59 | linuxstb_ | ddalton: or (x / 10) and (x % 10) |
| 00:03:01 | bluebrother | and no, Rockbox doesn't only use ints: it uses fixed point calculatoins |
| 00:03:06 | linuxstb_ | (where x = 879) |
| 00:03:06 | ddalton | how is the calculation done? |
| 00:03:29 | bluebrother | the frequency is stored in Hz internally. So you need to divide to get the displayed value anyway |
| 00:04:26 | saratoga | ddalton: rockbox can't use floating point numbers, but it can still use decimal numbers (fixed point) |
| 00:04:32 | Bagder | BigBambi: you have build-essential installed? |
| 00:04:42 | BigBambi | Bagder: Will check, one mo |
| 00:04:59 | preglow | saratoga: anything new about ffts? |
| 00:05:24 | saratoga | preglow: nothing new on the ffmpeg lists, though they have submitted some code for various other types of ffts |
| 00:05:24 | BigBambi | Bagder: Hmmm, I thought so, but it appears not. Thanks for the help, sorry for the bother! |
| 00:05:44 | Bagder | no problemos |
| 00:05:54 | ddalton | ok I have written a little c program here. It asks the user for a number and then trys to work it out in a decimal. So if on the radio the frequency is 1019 what would be displayed? |
| 00:06:35 | Bagder | if that is 1019 Hz, just do the math |
| 00:06:45 | Bagder | you want KHz? divide with 1000 |
| 00:06:55 | * | bluebrother forgets a usb_find_devices() and wonders why no devices are found :/ |
| 00:06:59 | Bagder | and the decimals with %1000 then |
| 00:07:20 | BigBambi | Well oddly enough, with build-essential, building works! |
| 00:07:27 | * | BigBambi slaps forehead, hard |
| 00:07:28 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:07:37 | DerPapst | poor forehead |
| 00:07:48 | BigBambi | He had it coming for being stupid |
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| 00:08:45 | forehead | that was uncalled for :/ |
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| 00:09:07 | DerPapst | heh |
| 00:09:15 | BigBambi | We all forehead secretly loves it |
| 00:09:34 | BigBambi | insert know somewhere in the sentance above |
| 00:10:08 | DerPapst | hehe |
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| 00:14:49 | ddalton | can someone tell me what needs to be done so when you enter 1019 it will print 101.9 I am just trying to work the calulation out. http://pastebin.ca/raw/683009 |
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| 00:15:36 | Bagder | ddalton: x = i % 10; |
| 00:15:50 | delYsid | ddalton: modulo 10 and loop! |
| 00:15:53 | Bagder | if y = i /10; |
| 00:16:21 | delYsid | ddalton: with every mod you pull out one digit and divide by 10 |
| 00:16:33 | delYsid | its really simple |
| 00:17:20 | ddalton | it displays 101.1 for 1019 |
| 00:17:23 | ddalton | is that right? |
| 00:17:44 | delYsid | no |
| 00:18:04 | ddalton | what is wrong now with it? I changed it to %10 |
| 00:18:05 | linuxstb_ | printf("%d.%d\n",i/10,i%10); |
| 00:18:21 | delYsid | printf("%d.%d", i/10, i%10) |
| 00:18:27 | delYsid | heh |
| 00:18:35 | delYsid | linuxstb_: you beat me to it :-) |
| 00:18:37 | japc | lol |
| 00:18:56 | linuxstb_ | delYsid: I even had a time to type \n |
| 00:19:45 | delYsid | linuxstb_: and I saved one byte :-) |
| 00:19:51 | bluebrother | who of you did a typing class? ;-) |
| 00:20:20 | linuxstb_ | ddalton: Is that working for you? |
| 00:20:48 | ddalton | I wrote printf("\n%d.%d", i/10, i%100); |
| 00:20:51 | ddalton | is that right? |
| 00:21:00 | Bagder | no |
| 00:21:03 | ddalton | and it says 101.19 for 1019. |
| 00:21:13 | japc | ddalton: % = modulo, the remaining of the integer division by something |
| 00:21:16 | bluebrother | no: you need to take the same modulo as you divided |
| 00:21:17 | japc | 10 !! |
| 00:21:48 | japc | int i/10 = 101 ; i % 10 = 9 |
| 00:21:51 | japc | thus 101.9 |
| 00:22:05 | ddalton | yep thanks for all the help working as expected. |
| 00:22:08 | ddalton | got to go |
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| 00:24:37 | linuxstb_ | Ah, seems the new 160GB drive is from Samsung - http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/google/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20070820005213&newsLang=en |
| 00:25:11 | powr-toc | Hey, I'm getting a Data abort error when I try and play an MP3 on my ipod video (30gb) with rockbox build 14616. Has anyone any ideas? |
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| 00:26:04 | linuxstb_ | Did you install the 60/80GB build? |
| 00:26:21 | pixelma | install a current build... |
| 00:26:30 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: there's also a 120GB model from Samsung (announced 2 months ago) |
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| 00:26:43 | powr-toc | linuxstb_: no the 30gb build |
| 00:27:01 | powr-toc | pixelma: I got the same with r14623 |
| 00:27:07 | pixelma | the error you are probably getting was fixed in r14618/19 |
| 00:27:16 | Llorean | powr-toc: Then why didn't you report that you were using 14623? |
| 00:27:17 | Bagder | Genre9mp3: "ipod classic" has a 160GB disk |
| 00:27:39 | Llorean | Bagder: I wish they were making ones usable in my older players though. =/ |
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| 00:27:46 | Bagder | yeah |
| 00:27:57 | powr-toc | Llorean: because I tried that first, then found 14616 linked as the latest on http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 00:28:02 | Llorean | I guess my H1xx is going to be capped at 60 or 80 |
| 00:28:24 | Llorean | powr-toc: Those are marked as "daily", while the current build is made every time the source changes. |
| 00:28:32 | JdGordon | morning guys |
| 00:28:38 | Llorean | powr-toc: The latest is from build.rockbox.org |
| 00:28:41 | powr-toc | Llorean: ok.. |
| 00:28:48 | bluebrother | JdGordon: 'evening |
| 00:28:55 | pixelma | powr-toc: and you are really sure you took the 30GB one? |
| 00:29:03 | JdGordon | I meant to ask last night.. where on the hidden partition is the bootloader that needs hacking on the e200? |
| 00:29:12 | JdGordon | or should i just do a dump and find it manually? |
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| 00:30:01 | powr-toc | pixelma: I'll download and try again, but that's the one I think I grabbed... |
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| 00:31:00 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: IIRC, it's at the very start of the partition - with a header starting PPBL |
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| 00:31:33 | JdGordon | linuxstb_: ok, and sansapatcher doesnt move that at all right? I shouldnt have any problem getting this all going on my sansa? |
| 00:31:36 | Bagder | block 2 iirc |
| 00:31:36 | XavierGr | amiconn: I am sorry which part of the code are you referring to? It's been some time since I looked that part. |
| 00:31:42 | Bagder | I wrote that info in the wiki |
| 00:32:02 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: No, sansapatcher only modifies the main firmware part of the partition. |
| 00:32:06 | JdGordon | its too early in the morning to be reading wikis :) |
| 00:32:19 | JdGordon | ok great.. hopefully ill have some good news this arvo after uni |
| 00:32:49 | powr-toc | pixelma: I still get the same error with the new build... I'm trying to upgrade from a previous build.... Is removing the old .rockbox folder and copying the new one to the ipods root enough? |
| 00:32:51 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Also, it would be worth writing a test app that dumps the partition table (sector 0) to disk, and ask scorche to run it on his E200R. I don't think we know for sure what it will look like. |
| 00:33:10 | JdGordon | yeah, I was going ot do that... |
| 00:33:25 | JdGordon | the code is there #if 0'd out so thats no problem |
| 00:33:26 | linuxstb_ | The E200R firmware appears to fake the MBR via USB... |
| 00:34:42 | pixelma | powr-toc: you should really only need to unzip the build directly over the old one |
| 00:35:27 | powr-toc | pixelma: sure... I'm effectively doing that, but ensuring there are no old files there first. |
| 00:35:53 | linuxstb_ | powr-toc: When do you get the data abort? Is it before the file starts playing, or afterwards? |
| 00:36:21 | powr-toc | linuxstb_: before |
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| 00:37:46 | linuxstb_ | powr-toc: And is this a new problem? i.e. have you played the same mp3 file with older versions of Rockbox? |
| 00:37:59 | powr-toc | linuxstb_: yes |
| 00:38:18 | powr-toc | linuxstb_: though I've not upgraded for quite some time |
| 00:38:33 | pixelma | how old is your bootloader then? |
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| 00:39:46 | powr-toc | pixelma: quite old.... probably about febuary this year... where do I get the new one, and how do I update it (on linux) |
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| 00:40:08 | linuxstb_ | Follow the instructions in the manual - upgrading the bootloader is the same as installing for the first time. |
| 00:40:25 | powr-toc | pixelma: this said, rockbox seems to boot ok... i.e. I can navigate the new menus etc |
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| 00:41:04 | linuxstb_ | powr-toc: pixelma is right - it's definitely a bootloader problem. The bootloader required updating in around March this year (I think..) |
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| 00:45:07 | powr-toc | pixelma: linuxstb_: thanks guys.... it works fine now :) The new bootloader install process is way easier also :) |
| 00:46:36 | pixelma | nice :) |
| 00:47:11 | linuxstb_ | Only one of us is a guy though... |
| 00:47:14 | powr-toc | any new features I should keep an eye out for? |
| 00:47:42 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
| 00:48:00 | Bagder | should be one or two |
| 00:48:03 | powr-toc | linuxstb_: hehe as soon as I typed that, I figured, I bet one of them's a girl :) |
| 00:48:24 | pixelma | now... guess! ;) |
| 00:49:02 | powr-toc | pixelma: I'm guessing you're the girl... Sorry :) |
| 00:49:32 | pixelma | no problem :) |
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| 00:51:46 | DerPapst | good night all :) |
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| 01:00:46 | DMJC | ok if I want to remove all trace of rockbox what do I do? |
| 01:00:52 | DMJC | ipod 80gb |
| 01:01:05 | DMJC | does a factory reset in itunes accomplish that? |
| 01:03:36 | japc | linuxstb_: you possibly know this |
| 01:03:44 | linuxstb_ | Yes, although if you're paranoid you may want to run a secure disk formatter (something that actually overwrites all the data). |
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| 01:04:04 | japc | is there any perl script to build/update the database on a iriver hp1x0 ? |
| 01:04:24 | linuxstb_ | tools/songdb.pl _may_ work... |
| 01:04:26 | japc | i have extra cpu cycles on the laptop to use for that |
| 01:04:48 | japc | and could use that after rsyncing my ~/mp3/ to My\ Music/ |
| 01:06:03 | japc | would rbutilqt do that? |
| 01:06:15 | japc | have my qt4 dev fscked and couldn't compile it |
| 01:06:34 | krazykit | i think there's a static binary available |
| 01:06:39 | japc | hmm |
| 01:06:44 | japc | where ? |
| 01:06:48 | krazykit | or someone compiled one at some point |
| 01:07:00 | linuxstb_ | On the RockboxUtilityQt wiki page |
| 01:07:19 | japc | i bet someone compiled one at some point :) |
| 01:07:47 | linuxstb_ | But no, rbutilqt doesn't build the database. |
| 01:08:52 | japc | ok, so no need for it, rsync does what i want |
| 01:09:33 | japc | will look at songdb, thanks |
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| 02:09:58 | pixelma | Febs: you forgot to make use of colours too (in the forums) ;) |
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| 02:17:38 | Febs | pixelma: :) |
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| 02:22:46 | yoyah56 | question, i have removed Rockbox from my Gigabeat reloaded all my music but it keeps saying that no files are found, what should i do? |
| 02:23:08 | krazykit | ask somewhere else, since it has nothing to do with rockbox |
| 02:23:25 | krazykit | http://www.mygigabeat.com/ has forums for that |
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| 02:25:27 | linuxstb_ | yoyah56: What keeps telling you "no files are found"? And is that the exact error message? |
| 02:29:02 | yoyah56 | yea |
| 02:31:17 | yoyah56 | well it says, "no file found" when i try to play a song |
| 02:31:58 | linuxstb_ | What is "it" ? The original Toshiba firmware? |
| 02:32:26 | yoyah56 | yea the original firmware |
| 02:33:11 | RudMan | I'd remove all the music files from the device and then re-load them using the approved toshiba method |
| 02:33:43 | linuxstb_ | Then I'm afraid I can't help. As krazykit said, you will be better of asking in a forum devoted to that firmware - most Rockbox users have never used Toshiba's firmware. |
| 02:34:06 | linuxstb_ | (and it's also off-topic for this channel) |
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| 02:34:45 | yoyah56 | ok, thanks |
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| 02:36:08 | rocko | is there a way |
| 02:36:19 | rocko | to download older versions of rockbox |
| 02:36:25 | rocko | my sistes going to kill me |
| 02:37:58 | linuxstb_ | How old? |
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| 02:38:57 | RudMan | sister or version or rockbox :) |
| 02:40:02 | scorche | linuxstb_: bed, huh? ;) |
| 02:40:09 | * | linuxstb_ couldn't sleep |
| 02:40:36 | linuxstb_ | RudMan: Whichever... |
| 02:41:06 | krazykit | rocko, yep. on the "current build" page, there's a link to archived daily builds |
| 02:42:31 | linuxstb_ | scorche: Somehow I have a feeling Shane won't stop... |
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| 02:44:08 | scorche | linuxstb_: one can hope... |
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| 03:49:12 | nowayx | good evening |
| 03:49:44 | iamben | hello |
| 03:50:26 | nowayx | i wrote a new game/plugin. What are the steps to have it on rockbox? |
| 03:51:28 | Febs | Submit it to the Flyspray patch tracker. |
| 03:51:50 | nowayx | Ok.. and from there? What happen? Patch it until it runs on all players? |
| 03:52:31 | nowayx | Hmm I will wait for some feedback. |
| 03:52:44 | Febs | If you want to get it accepted into Rockbox, then yes, it would almost certainly need to run on all supported players, or at least all that have hardware that support whatever your plugin is. |
| 03:53:03 | Febs | It also needs to be submitted under a GPL-compatible license. |
| 03:53:13 | nowayx | Ok, great.. I tested it for a few players (with lcd) |
| 03:53:24 | nowayx | Yes, all my code is gpl :) |
| 03:53:49 | nowayx | everything that i code... (if i'm out the clock) |
| 03:54:04 | nowayx | Febs, thanks |
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| 04:10:32 | pwnzorrrr | hey |
| 04:10:38 | pwnzorrrr | any one here? |
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| 04:10:57 | pwnzorrrr | hellooooo |
| 04:11:02 | krazykit | patience, dude. |
| 04:11:06 | pwnzorrrr | i need help with rock box x.x |
| 04:11:12 | pwnzorrrr | i got a new ipod nano |
| 04:11:16 | krazykit | it's typically best to simply ask the question |
| 04:11:19 | pwnzorrrr | ut i dont know how to get rock box on it |
| 04:11:31 | pwnzorrrr | can i hav sum help on how to get it? |
| 04:11:35 | krazykit | it's a 2g nano? |
| 04:11:38 | pwnzorrrr | its the 4 gig |
| 04:11:47 | pwnzorrrr | well 3.6 to be exact :\ |
| 04:11:50 | krazykit | no, i mean, is it the second generation? |
| 04:11:57 | pwnzorrrr | oh |
| 04:12:04 | pwnzorrrr | its the kind that looks like the mini x.x |
| 04:12:08 | pwnzorrrr | its green :P |
| 04:12:22 | pwnzorrrr | its rounded and metealic looking |
| 04:12:26 | pwnzorrrr | is that 2nd gen? |
| 04:12:30 | pwnzorrrr | x.x |
| 04:12:53 | krazykit | http://ipodlinux.org/Image:NewIpodNano.jpg |
| 04:12:55 | krazykit | one of those? |
| 04:13:07 | pwnzorrrr | yeah |
| 04:13:15 | krazykit | rockbox doesn't run on those. |
| 04:13:19 | pwnzorrrr | O |
| 04:13:24 | pwnzorrrr | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 04:13:30 | pwnzorrrr | wut about linux? |
| 04:13:57 | pwnzorrrr | ipod linux? |
| 04:14:06 | krazykit | nope. |
| 04:14:09 | krazykit | not as far as i know |
| 04:14:12 | pwnzorrrr | ("") (o_o) ("") |
| 04:14:16 | pwnzorrrr | YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY >< |
| 04:14:42 | pwnzorrrr | (")(-_-)(") |
| 04:14:42 | krazykit | please stop being disruptive |
| 04:14:56 | pwnzorrrr | k but still its a bummer >.> |
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| 04:15:43 | pwnzorrrr | sigh i must look this up |
| 04:15:48 | pwnzorrrr | wut gen is my ipod then? |
| 04:15:56 | pwnzorrrr | it would help me in my search |
| 04:15:59 | krazykit | your nano appears to be a second generation |
| 04:16:05 | pwnzorrrr | ok |
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| 04:17:23 | RudMan | yeah because the 3rd gen is short and fat |
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| 04:38:58 | Febs | pwnzorrr: read this and start to follow it immediately: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IrcGuidelines |
| 04:39:38 | krazykit | Febs, he left a half hour ago... |
| 04:39:57 | Febs | yeah, I just realized I had scrolled up and wasn't at the bottom of the chat. |
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| 04:42:02 | RudMan | maybe there should be a "read to the end of the scroll back before you post" guideline |
| 04:42:09 | RudMan | hehe |
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| 04:42:37 | Febs | That's what I get for flipping back and forth between #rockbox and #rockbox-community. |
| 04:43:02 | krazykit | tsk tsk. |
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| 04:54:06 | rocko | I put a new version of rockbox on my sisters ipod |
| 04:54:11 | rocko | it keeps data aborting |
| 04:54:52 | Febs | When was the last time you updated the bootloader? |
| 04:56:14 | rocko | a long time |
| 04:56:16 | rocko | mmm |
| 04:56:23 | rocko | good looks Febs |
| 04:57:55 | Febs | Update to the latest bootloader and it should solve your problem. You can now use Rockbox Utility for this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=RockboxUtilityQt |
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| 05:02:53 | rocko | it won't wok Febs :( |
| 05:03:38 | rocko | it says my bootloader is up to date |
| 05:04:02 | Febs | In that case, what version of Rockbox did you put on the ipod? |
| 05:04:11 | rocko | the newest |
| 05:04:18 | rocko | I don't think the bootloader is up to date though |
| 05:04:25 | rocko | ipod video 30g |
| 05:04:54 | Febs | What is the actual build version number. Look at System−−>Rockbox Info. |
| 05:05:04 | RudMan | at what point does it say data aborting |
| 05:05:39 | rocko | when I start to play a song |
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| 05:06:06 | Febs | rocko: first, check the version number as I described above. |
| 05:06:19 | RudMan | did you try initializing the database again? |
| 05:06:58 | rocko | r14324-070814 |
| 05:07:14 | rocko | what does that mean RudMan |
| 05:08:51 | Febs | rocko: that is NOT "the newest" version. Install a current build. |
| 05:10:47 | RudMan | how bizarre...I just started the sim and there is no .rockbox dir below it |
| 05:11:08 | krazykit | did you make install? |
| 05:11:32 | RudMan | no, this is not on the dev image |
| 05:11:39 | EnterUserName | hey all has there been anychangesd for battery life for sansa |
| 05:11:47 | RudMan | it's like the .rockbox dir was deleted or moved |
| 05:11:48 | EnterUserName | is it better than sansa's firmware? |
| 05:11:54 | EnterUserName | im looking at a comparison |
| 05:12:00 | RudMan | no - it is worse than the OF |
| 05:12:03 | Llorean | RudMan: Or you're in "supported" mode so you don't see the hidden folder? |
| 05:12:07 | EnterUserName | oh ok |
| 05:12:28 | krazykit | EnterUserName, but the features of rockbox make it worth the battery life difference |
| 05:13:16 | RudMan | llorean:no,no this has nothing to do with rockbox, this is a windows issue |
| 05:13:27 | rocko | ok I got r14624-070906 |
| 05:13:29 | Llorean | RudMan: I thought you said you couldn't see it in the sim? |
| 05:13:35 | rocko | same problem with the errors. |
| 05:13:44 | rocko | data abort* |
| 05:14:35 | rocko | I don't think the bootloader is right |
| 05:14:36 | RudMan | llorean: yeah, I couldn't see it in the sim but it's because the actual directory in windows is gone.....this is not a rockbox issue so I'll cease |
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| 05:17:30 | rocko | when I go to use that rockbox utility |
| 05:17:32 | rocko | it says |
| 05:17:53 | rocko | "no ipod found" |
| 05:18:07 | EnterUserName | is there usb deteciton yet on svn for sansa |
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| 05:20:55 | RudMan | rocko: did you delete rockbox and restore the ipod bootloader back to the original? |
| 05:21:41 | rocko | I should delete the .rockbox ? |
| 05:22:55 | Febs | rocko: I thought you said that Rockbox Utility told you that you had the latest bootloader. |
| 05:23:28 | rocko | yeah it did |
| 05:23:44 | Febs | rocko: how could it do that if it didn't detect your ipod? |
| 05:23:46 | Febs | rocko: Turn your ipod off. Turn it back on and then hold the >>| button as it boots. What bootloader version is reported. |
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| 05:27:16 | rocko | it doesn't do anyting when I hold >>| |
| 05:29:24 | Febs | OK. do you know how to put your iPod in disk mode? |
| 05:30:10 | rocko | like when I plug it in? |
| 05:30:30 | Febs | Yes. |
| 05:30:34 | rocko | yes |
| 05:30:50 | Febs | Put it in disk mode and then connect to your computer. |
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| 05:42:15 | RudMan | I guess it killed his computer too |
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| 06:11:01 | webguest45 | is there anyway to play a podcast under rockbox? |
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| 07:12:57 | amiconn | jhMikeS: How are you doing this?? |
| 07:13:45 | amiconn | (I mean ghosting the old nick before entering the channel) |
| 07:14:28 | scorche | starting irc, ghosting the nick, switching nicks, joining the channel? |
| 07:15:22 | amiconn | Hmm, but that looks automatic... |
| 07:15:44 | scorche | could be a script that does the same thing |
| 07:16:15 | scorche | amiconn: just curious, but do those "next-gen" NiMH require the use of their own charger, or can regular chargers work as well?...many i saw "recommended" the use of their own charger, and i was wondering if it truely made a difference |
| 07:16:48 | amiconn | Regular NiMH charger is sufficient |
| 07:17:04 | scorche | alright...thanks |
| 07:17:31 | amiconn | But it should be a good one. |
| 07:18:04 | scorche | is this "good" measurable with a multimeter? |
| 07:19:33 | amiconn | http://www.ansmann.de/cms/consumroot/batteries/rechargeable/maxe.html "- No special charger required!" |
| 07:19:57 | scorche | some i saw said it should, some disagreed depending ont he site and battery |
| 07:20:10 | amiconn | No it's not. |
| 07:21:03 | amiconn | One property of a good charger is that it handles single cells. Cheap chargers often charge cells in pairs, which is bad |
| 07:22:31 | amiconn | And its electronics should be able to fully charge the cells without overcharging. That requires proper monitoring. |
| 07:28:56 | jhMikeS | amiconn: just with a little Visual IRC script |
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| 08:11:22 | Jangari | that data abort bug fixed yet? |
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| 08:11:58 | Llorean | Jangari: Unfortunately, none of the developers with psychic powers are here right now. Which data abort specifically were you referring to? |
| 08:12:09 | austriancoder | iPod Touch... hmmmm |
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| 08:13:29 | Jangari | a few people had this issue with the build of.... the third, i think |
| 08:13:35 | Jangari | on a couple of different players |
| 08:13:47 | Jangari | an h10 and an ipod video 30GB |
| 08:14:20 | Jangari | database initialisation would halt halfway through and show a 'data abort at 0042xxxx or something |
| 08:14:30 | Llorean | Yes, that one is fixed. |
| 08:14:35 | Jangari | oh really? |
| 08:14:38 | Jangari | groovy |
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| 08:15:12 | LinusN | Llorean: there? |
| 08:15:23 | Jangari | i just downloaded an older build and it worked brilliantly, |
| 08:15:25 | ivan` | do any of the psychic developers know if the 160gb uses the 5.5G chips? |
| 08:15:45 | Llorean | LinusN: Yes. If it's about my loss of temper earlier, I'm feeling pretty bad about it already. |
| 08:16:00 | Llorean | ivan`: As they're not out yet, there's not much information on 'em. :) |
| 08:16:13 | ivan` | thanks |
| 08:16:16 | Jangari | they're bringing out 160 GB players? |
| 08:16:27 | Llorean | I would guess that they won't be, though. |
| 08:16:56 | Jangari | i suppose eventually, hard drive space will be such that you won't need compression, |
| 08:17:13 | Jangari | mm, sweet |
| 08:17:16 | ivan` | people will still compress anyway to fit in 20K tracks that they don't listen to |
| 08:17:24 | Jangari | well, yeah |
| 08:17:42 | Llorean | With flac you can maybe approximate to an average of 1/2 gb per CD, meaning 80cds already. |
| 08:17:55 | ivan` | flac is more like 300GB |
| 08:17:56 | Jangari | i have only 10GB of my 30 used, if it was uncompressed it'd be roughly 90-100GB |
| 08:18:15 | Jangari | why would a cd ever be more that 700MB? |
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| 08:18:37 | Jangari | it makes no sense to inflate the 44.1kHz 16bit PCM wav |
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| 08:18:57 | ivan` | 703MB :) |
| 08:19:15 | Galois | dvd-video audio is already 48000hz |
| 08:19:23 | Galois | and it makes no sense to resample it to 44.1k |
| 08:19:53 | Jangari | is it? |
| 08:19:56 | Jangari | hmm, |
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| 08:20:08 | Jangari | i work with 24bit 96kHz |
| 08:20:14 | Jangari | 1 GB per channel per hour |
| 08:20:20 | Jangari | roughly |
| 08:20:32 | Jangari | or maybe exactly, i can't remember |
| 08:21:44 | Galois | You have: 96000 * 24 bits / second |
| 08:21:44 | Galois | You want: gigabytes/hour |
| 08:21:44 | Galois | * 1.0368 |
| 08:22:14 | GodEater | masters of the build system: You might want to disable my build server for a few days - BT have once again managed to knock out my home broadband connection :( |
| 08:22:53 | scorche | ouch |
| 08:23:23 | Jangari | mm, no, it's slightly over an hour i think |
| 08:23:35 | Jangari | like, an hour, 7 minutes |
| 08:23:40 | Jangari | by memory |
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| 08:23:52 | Galois | as far as I'm concerned, storage remains inadequate until every CD ever made fits inside a drive with no moving parts |
| 08:24:27 | Jangari | but i specify 1gb per hour per channel in the documentation, so stay on the safe side |
| 08:29:19 | amiconn | grr |
| 08:29:37 | amiconn | linuxstb: The "Hang in USB screen" bug on ipod is not fixed |
| 08:29:43 | * | scorche kicks the forums |
| 08:29:44 | * | LinusN ph33rz the anger of amiconn |
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| 08:50:33 | * | GodEater reads the apple page on the new ipods. the Touch *starts* at $299 ?!?! Rip off city! |
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| 08:52:03 | advcomp2019 | yea your right GodEater |
| 08:52:18 | advcomp2019 | youre* |
| 08:54:03 | Jangari | you're** |
| 08:54:04 | B4gder | yay, c200 work |
| 08:54:22 | ivan` | at that price just unlock an iphone |
| 08:56:01 | GodEater | B4gder: don't know if you've read the logs or not - but my home broadband is on the fritz again so my build server is off the 'net for the forseeable |
| 08:56:30 | B4gder | ok, it shouldn't matter much to the build system, it deals with server outages |
| 08:56:51 | B4gder | unless you're bothered with the ssh attempts? |
| 08:57:04 | GodEater | doesn't bother me a bit |
| 08:57:08 | advcomp2019 | imo ipod are overpriced and at the same time under featured |
| 08:57:12 | GodEater | just thought I'd let you know |
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| 09:09:23 | * | petur gets seriously fed up with indian programmers... explaining it 3 times and still not getting through :( |
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| 09:20:29 | woodensoul | can someone point me to where I can find out cygwin commands such a changing directories, etc? |
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| 09:21:53 | B4gder | I guess that's any unix-like command line tutorial |
| 09:23:38 | woodensoul | i didn't see anything like that in the "for developers" info on the rockbox site |
| 09:23:55 | ddalton | google.com they are the same as linux. cd basically cygwin is a linux terminal for windows but can't run apps compiled for linux. |
| 09:23:59 | ddalton | cd changes dir |
| 09:24:21 | ddalton | It wouldn't be on the rockbox site |
| 09:24:23 | petur | the important thing to remember is that you need to use lots of spaces.. cd\xxx will not work |
| 09:24:50 | woodensoul | how do you go back one directory? |
| 09:24:52 | ddalton | I just type cd rockbox and it takes me to my rockbox dir |
| 09:25:17 | * | ddalton Continues reading his c book! |
| 09:25:44 | woodensoul | cd .. goes back one i see |
| 09:26:28 | ddalton | yes and you can also type cd dir1/dir2 so if you have a dir1 in the dir your in and then in that dir2 you will end up in dir2 |
| 09:26:36 | ddalton | if that makes any sence |
| 09:26:52 | woodensoul | yes, thanks |
| 09:27:19 | ddalton | and a good thing to know is how to run scripts or apps so executables |
| 09:28:11 | woodensoul | also, if i wanted to change the keymap for the gigabeat back to the way it used to be in the WPS, is the only source file i need to change keymap-gigabeat.c? |
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| 09:31:12 | fm2 | There seems to be a short (about 0.5 secs) delay on Sansa between a button press and backlight going on. Is it just me or do you also experience this? |
| 09:31:23 | woodensoul | i also experience this |
| 09:32:22 | woodensoul | My e280 is brand new and i haven't been getting a full battery reading even after fully charging the unit. Is this a known problem? Also, should I not charge via Rockbox? |
| 09:34:10 | B4gder | the battery level isn't perfected for the sansa afaik |
| 09:34:22 | B4gder | and people report that the OF charges faster than rockbox on the sansa |
| 09:34:27 | GodEater | slightly OT, but does anyone know what setting −−as-needed in LDFLAGS does ? |
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| 09:35:46 | woodensoul | Well the thing that confused me is that it did seem to be more accurate the first time I charged it. But now it isn't. |
| 09:36:02 | B4gder | GodEater: it seems to detail what libs that are actually needed... |
| 09:36:20 | B4gder | or rather, which libs to mark as needed as normall all given are |
| 09:36:30 | GodEater | ah ok |
| 09:36:53 | * | B4gder just reads "man ld" - never used this option myself |
| 09:37:15 | woodensoul | which text editor do you guys use for editing/creating source files? |
| 09:37:23 | B4gder | emacs! |
| 09:37:25 | austriancoder | B4gder: as i was @AMS they told whats the best to charge over usb... will look into this issue if I have enought time |
| 09:37:32 | * | B4gder never misses an opportunity |
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| 09:39:43 | fm2 | I'm not talking about battery, my concern is the delay before the backlight turns on. In the OF, it tirns on immediately. So this must be a RB "artefact". |
| 09:39:53 | GodEater | B4gder: which flavour, Gnu, or X ? |
| 09:40:03 | B4gder | gnu |
| 09:40:15 | GodEater | I always preferred X for some reason |
| 09:40:31 | B4gder | I come from a time long before the X one existed ;-) |
| 09:40:34 | GodEater | probably because you could load a wallpaper into the text buffer, or some pointless rubbish like that |
| 09:40:38 | GodEater | :) |
| 09:40:47 | * | B4gder recalls Lucid emacs... |
| 09:40:58 | * | GodEater recalls cutting his emacs teeth on JOVE |
| 09:40:59 | fm2 | Bagder: −− 19.3.6 or 20.x? −− 20.x? −− Ah you bastard! :-) |
| 09:41:30 | B4gder | I'm on 22.1.1 at home |
| 09:41:46 | * | GodEater tends to use vi more these days though, as it's the only editor pretty much guaranteed to be installed on a unix box |
| 09:42:52 | B4gder | emacs is just one of the first packages I install on any system I'm on |
| 09:42:53 | fm2 | B4gder: there was an old joke about two talking about what editors they use. vi user would be shot btw. But in the end one used 19.3.x and the other 20.x. And that was not good :-) |
| 09:43:04 | B4gder | hehe |
| 09:43:23 | GodEater | B4gder: I'd install it if I had rights on most of the systems I log in to - sadly I don't |
| 09:43:27 | B4gder | editor flame wars are the best! |
| 09:43:33 | GodEater | most of them I don't even have a home directory |
| 09:45:47 | woodensoul | I'm trying to build from the latest source, and I'm getting errors. How can I make sure that the directory is complety in sync with the current source? |
| 09:45:58 | B4gder | woodensoul: svn update! |
| 09:46:05 | woodensoul | i did just do that |
| 09:46:14 | B4gder | then you're in sync until someone commits |
| 09:46:26 | woodensoul | i typed svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
| 09:46:32 | woodensoul | the error i'm getting is... |
| 09:46:40 | GodEater | pastebin!!! |
| 09:47:06 | woodensoul | pastebin? |
| 09:47:39 | B4gder | step 2- type pastebin in google's search field |
| 09:47:48 | woodensoul | playback.c:2747: error: syntax error before '<<' token |
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| 09:47:56 | B4gder | woodensoul: that's a bad patch applied |
| 09:48:07 | B4gder | or rather a conflict on update |
| 09:48:14 | B4gder | most probably |
| 09:48:34 | B4gder | remove the patch and try again |
| 09:49:01 | woodensoul | if there is a patch in the directory, it's automatically applied? |
| 09:49:20 | B4gder | svn update merges the repo's changes with your local changes |
| 09:49:32 | B4gder | and now they collided |
| 09:50:43 | fm2 | So what about backlight the delay? It doesn't exist on H120. Is it a Sansa LCD driver specific issue? |
| 09:50:49 | woodensoul | first i svn updated, then i made a change in the gigabeat-keymap.c and now i'm trying to build and i get a bunch of errors regarding playback.c |
| 09:51:11 | B4gder | woodensoul: and you have no patch applied? |
| 09:51:23 | B4gder | then please pastbin your full error |
| 09:51:27 | B4gder | pastebin |
| 09:52:00 | woodensoul | i'm learning how to do that |
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| 09:54:13 | linuxstb | woodensoul: You could type "svn revert -R ." to remove any changes that have been made locally to your files. That will remove any patches you've applied in the past. |
| 09:55:00 | woodensoul | from which location (directory) should i type that? |
| 09:55:20 | ddalton | your source tree |
| 09:55:20 | Zagor | have we been flooded with port requests for the new ipods yet? |
| 09:55:38 | GodEater | if by "flooded" you mean one forum thread |
| 09:55:40 | GodEater | then yes :) |
| 09:55:43 | B4gder | Zagor: yessir |
| 09:55:49 | scorche | before they were even announced as well |
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| 09:55:56 | Zagor | haha |
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| 09:56:26 | woodensoul | i'll try that linuxstb |
| 09:56:31 | Zagor | I guess those requests came with a hefty pile of tech docs, right? ;) |
| 09:56:47 | GodEater | Zagor: several hundred kilos worth yes |
| 09:57:01 | GodEater | in fact, the code will practically write itself |
| 09:57:01 | linuxstb | woodensoul: Another useful command is "svn status" - that will tell you which files have been locally modified (indicated by an M) |
| 09:57:10 | Zagor | such as: "cool screen", "nifty touch-doodaas" and "awesome itunes" |
| 09:57:24 | GodEater | yeah all that |
| 09:57:29 | Zagor | "now get cracking" |
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| 09:57:49 | morrijr | Zagor: why are you still talking - isn't it done already? |
| 09:58:03 | B4gder | he just needs a new logo |
| 09:58:05 | B4gder | :-) |
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| 09:58:18 | morrijr | Zagor: (kidding) |
| 09:58:20 | Zagor | anyone got a suggestion? |
| 09:58:38 | woodensoul | svn revert -R doesn't work |
| 09:58:47 | woodensoul | says not enough arguments |
| 09:58:50 | austriancoder | svn revert -R ./ |
| 09:58:58 | ddalton | it doesn't work here either. Did you check out from svn |
| 09:59:31 | linuxstb | woodensoul: Re-read the command I suggested... |
| 09:59:36 | woodensoul | OK, that changed some source files. I will try building again. |
| 09:59:59 | ddalton | what was the command? Sorry can't find it |
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| 10:00:17 | linuxstb | Almost what austriancoder typed - "svn revert -R ." |
| 10:00:44 | ddalton | is the . part of it? |
| 10:00:50 | woodensoul | i typed svn revert -R ./ and it worked |
| 10:01:05 | woodensoul | svn status gives me a list of files, but no M designation |
| 10:01:11 | GodEater | ddalton: yes - it's the current directory |
| 10:01:11 | ddalton | its working thanks. |
| 10:02:05 | linuxstb | woodensoul: Yes, "svn status" shouldn't show any modified files after you type svn revert... |
| 10:03:00 | woodensoul | then possibly not all the files were reverted? |
| 10:03:13 | woodensoul | there is a question mark next to the files listed by svn status |
| 10:03:29 | GodEater | woodensoul: no, ALL the files were reverted, that's why there's no M next to any of them |
| 10:03:36 | B4gder | woodensoul: those are files not controlled by svn |
| 10:03:48 | B4gder | "svn -q status" hides those |
| 10:03:58 | woodensoul | they are all either .exe or .orig files |
| 10:04:34 | linuxstb | Yes, as B4gder said, those are new files you've created which are not part of SVN. The ? means svn doesn't know those files. |
| 10:05:06 | woodensoul | I see. |
| 10:05:20 | linuxstb | You can delete them if you wish, or just leave them - they shouldn't cause any harm. |
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| 10:05:48 | morrijr | apart from the chip port issues, do folks see the lack of buttons/controls to be a problem for rockbox? It'll be a totally different type of interface won't it? |
| 10:06:14 | linuxstb | You're talking about the ipod touch? |
| 10:06:16 | morrijr | y |
| 10:06:30 | B4gder | I don't consider that a real problem |
| 10:06:34 | Zagor | me neither |
| 10:06:34 | B4gder | just a challange |
| 10:06:35 | pixelma | GodEater: I believe the "tvg" in the forum had problems with later revisions of rockbox and posted in this nano thread too... |
| 10:06:38 | morrijr | :) |
| 10:06:46 | Zagor | we discussed this about a week ago |
| 10:06:49 | linuxstb | Yes, that's just a programming problem which is solvable... |
| 10:06:59 | GodEater | pixelma: I know - I'm just getting fed up of his whining |
| 10:07:08 | linuxstb | The encryption and completely new hardware is the problem... |
| 10:07:31 | GodEater | and the lack of docs |
| 10:07:56 | linuxstb | and the roads, and education, and wine, and ... |
| 10:08:11 | GodEater | kids these days |
| 10:08:19 | morrijr | Zagor: must have missed that conversation; sorry |
| 10:08:20 | GodEater | all this were fields etc etc |
| 10:08:28 | Llorean | pixelma: It's still pointless to report bugs that happen in a 500 revision old version, even if he's unwilling to update to the current version. Odds are decent his partition was corrupted by the main Nano bug, or he's experiencing the main Nano bug in a lesser form, anyway |
| 10:08:41 | Zagor | morrijr: come to think of it, it was probably several weeks ago. never mind. |
| 10:11:08 | linuxstb | B4gder: Do you think it's worth adding the new ipod models as unsupported on the front page? I'm not sure - the list is growing longer than the supported list now... |
| 10:11:35 | B4gder | hm, let's wait and see |
| 10:11:48 | B4gder | it'll be a bit annoying with a long list of unsupported ones |
| 10:12:56 | linuxstb | Maybe change what is in brackets to "2nd Gen Nano and later ipods are not supported" ? |
| 10:13:00 | scorche | linuxstb: i wouldnt think so...the unsupported list is to avoid confusion, and as long as they call the new ipod "classic", we shouldnt worry...although nano 3rd gen might be added |
| 10:13:03 | petur | remove the unsupported list and just write "if your model is not in the list, it is not supported" |
| 10:13:34 | Zagor | scorche: actually, many people will likely think "classic" means it's an older model and thus supported... |
| 10:13:48 | B4gder | yes, we should perhaps make it clear that *only* the mentioned models are support and all others are not |
| 10:13:52 | Zagor | but I think we should move that whole section to a wiki page and make a big nice chart with images and all |
| 10:14:01 | B4gder | yes |
| 10:14:15 | B4gder | also because for some reason people don't look for this kind of info on the front page |
| 10:14:24 | Zagor | exactly |
| 10:14:24 | B4gder | they need a different page for it |
| 10:14:25 | petur | with bright green and red indications |
| 10:14:42 | Llorean | Zagor: We already have a nice big chart with pictures... builds.rockbox.org. Maybe just some clear text saying "Only these players are supported"? |
| 10:14:54 | Llorean | build. |
| 10:15:08 | B4gder | the build one isn't as explicit |
| 10:15:16 | B4gder | like there's no e200R on it |
| 10:15:17 | Zagor | unfortunately I don't think it's clear enough... |
| 10:15:20 | B4gder | nor x5l x5v etc |
| 10:17:24 | Llorean | We could make that page more explicit too then. |
| 10:17:32 | linuxstb | I have to say that I like the "Quick Links" table on http://ipodlinux.org home page... |
| 10:17:33 | Llorean | For one thing, so people aren't uncertain what to download |
| 10:18:22 | Zagor | linuxstb: yeah our front page is a bit cluttered |
| 10:18:52 | woodensoul | I deleted my entire rockbox directory and check out the source again. The build seems to be going fine now. |
| 10:19:32 | woodensoul | If I want to change the gigabeat WPS keymap to what it used to be. Do I need to change any source files other than gigabeat-keymap.c? |
| 10:19:50 | Zagor | IPL says about the iPod Touch: "Will probably not be supported because homebrew software is already possible." anyone know what they mean with that? |
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| 10:20:05 | ivan` | it means that apple won |
| 10:20:06 | Zagor | here: http://ipodlinux.org/Project_Status |
| 10:20:24 | Llorean | Zagor: I imagine they expect the same hacks as work on the iPhone to work on it. |
| 10:20:31 | linuxstb | I asssume home-brew is possible on the iphone, so they're guessing the touch will be the same... But I know nothing about the iphone... |
| 10:20:41 | B4gder | ipl isn't exactly jumping to new targets very often anyway |
| 10:20:56 | Zagor | so they won't support it because ... it's possible? makes no sense. |
| 10:21:08 | B4gder | ipl is not like rockbox |
| 10:21:15 | B4gder | they don't do a music player firmware repalcement |
| 10:21:35 | linuxstb | I think the IPL devs see it as a supplement to the Apple firmware, rather than a genuine replacement. |
| 10:21:35 | B4gder | they make a platform to run custom applications on |
| 10:21:53 | B4gder | and if the OF can run custom applications, there's no point in using ipl |
| 10:21:54 | * | linuxstb looks towards the IPL devs lurking here... |
| 10:22:17 | Zagor | B4gder: fair point |
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| 10:23:59 | GodEater | this is essentially the same as the Rockbox "port" to that motorola phone then |
| 10:24:09 | GodEater | so if someone can get SDL running on the new touch |
| 10:24:11 | Zagor | gosh, their latest code is from may??? |
| 10:24:14 | GodEater | then you can have "Rockbox" there too |
| 10:24:16 | * | Zagor stops looking there |
| 10:24:51 | B4gder | Zagor: i believe ipl is much more distributed so there are activities on other areas that are more recent |
| 10:25:11 | linuxstb | Plus their svn server has been unavailable for a few months... |
| 10:25:15 | Zagor | p2p development :) |
| 10:25:18 | B4gder | oh |
| 10:25:37 | Zagor | linuxstb: yeah and the link to download source contains the last svn revision - from may |
| 10:25:41 | linuxstb | I believe they're in the process of finding and migrating to a new server. |
| 10:26:15 | linuxstb | But yes, even with an svn server, development seems to be very widely distributed - the opposite to Rockbox. |
| 10:28:03 | * | linuxstb googles and finds lots of download links for third-party iphone apps, but no technical details... |
| 10:29:32 | Zagor | can you write macosx apps without actually owning/using macosx? |
| 10:30:23 | linuxstb | It just uses gcc, so you should be able to setup a cross-compiling environment. |
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| 10:31:16 | Zagor | what about the libraries? part of their GUI is proprietary, isn't it? |
| 10:32:18 | linuxstb | Yes, that would be a problem... Their development environment (xcode) is available for download from their site, so maybe you could extract everything needed from there. |
| 10:32:22 | linuxstb | Why do you ask? |
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| 10:33:24 | Zagor | just curious about this apps-for-iphone/ipod thing. |
| 10:33:56 | Zagor | my main thought being that if you can't write apps for it without owning a mac, I'd still prefer linux on it |
| 10:34:23 | linuxstb | Or the "hack" would be porting the SDK to linux, rather than linux to the device... |
| 10:34:47 | Zagor | yeah. could get tricky with copyright issues though. |
| 10:36:46 | linuxstb | Yes. |
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| 10:46:21 | woodensoul | Well, I've answered my own question. The only change I made was in gigabeat-keymap.c. Now to learn how to patch. Thanks guys. |
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| 10:55:04 | Jeffrey_L | hi |
| 10:55:26 | Jeffrey_L | rockbox puts ipod to shame |
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| 10:56:18 | Zagor | Jeffrey_L: we know :) |
| 10:57:09 | Jeffrey_L | one feature which i really like/love is the sleep timer |
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| 11:01:56 | Jeffrey_L | hows the battery life on a 80g video anyway? rockbox.org says 5-7 hours |
| 11:02:34 | ddalton | got one to try? |
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| 11:03:30 | ddalton | you use svn diff to creat a diff or patch -panumber filname |
| 11:03:37 | ddalton | to apply one |
| 11:04:18 | Jeffrey_L | @@ |
| 11:04:39 | ddalton | what is @@ |
| 11:06:14 | ddalton | why don't we use // comments in rockbox? |
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| 11:08:52 | Jeffrey_L | where can i browse for rockbox plugins? |
| 11:08:53 | pondlife | Hi all, back after a blown PSU |
| 11:09:27 | ddalton | maybe in "plugins" from the main menu! |
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| 11:13:19 | linuxstb_ | Jdgordon: Hi. Could you make the latest version of your stripped-down version of e200tool available? I'm trying to persuade someone to try and get it working on Windows... |
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| 11:26:37 | delYsid | heh, amazon.de is pushing the price up for sansa e280, in the last week the price went up about 40 EUR. |
| 11:26:53 | delYsid | from 155 to now 192 |
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| 11:43:38 | mikae1 | hi |
| 11:44:02 | mikae1 | anybody know anything about the hardware of the new ipod/ipod nano? |
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| 11:45:45 | LinusN | nope, but my guess is that it isn't portalplayer |
| 11:48:10 | mikae1 | mmm... which will make it harder to port? |
| 11:48:40 | bluebrother | assuming it's a chip without public available documentation, most likely yes. |
| 11:49:05 | advcomp2019 | one thing i did read is that the new nano can do videos |
| 11:49:37 | LinusN | i also expect the new ipod to be a lot better protected, with signed binaries etc |
| 11:49:42 | mikae1 | my bet is either get one of these and hope there'll be a rockbox release or modding a 2g mini. 16 gb flash and new battery. |
| 11:49:58 | mikae1 | i think i'll go for the latter then. |
| 11:50:17 | ddalton | how many gb is it? and when is it going to be released? |
| 11:50:22 | ddalton | how much ram? |
| 11:50:24 | ddalton | as well |
| 11:51:57 | GodEater | we've no reason to believe that apple will make running other code on their new ipods any easier than they have on the 2G Nano |
| 11:52:10 | GodEater | and currently that's pretty near impossible |
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| 11:52:40 | GodEater | so "hoping" for a rockbox release on it is like hoping you'll win the lottery. Pretty bloody unlikely to happen. |
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| 11:56:09 | mikae1 | hmm ok |
| 11:56:17 | mikae1 | it was so hard on the nano 2g |
| 11:56:28 | mikae1 | why didn't they try harder with the 5.5g ipod? |
| 11:56:50 | LinusN | because it's the same platform as 5G |
| 11:57:17 | LinusN | the 2G is a completely new hardware platform woth new cpu etc |
| 11:57:37 | GodEater | apple have pretty much ditched PortalPlayer as their hardware supplier now |
| 11:58:53 | ddalton | so is this the 6th gen or something? |
| 11:59:06 | GodEater | the ipod "classic" would count as a 6G yes |
| 11:59:16 | scorche` | yes |
| 11:59:24 | GodEater | the ipod touch is pretty much a brand new product |
| 11:59:37 | GodEater | although you could argue it's the iPhone without the phone too |
| 11:59:38 | scorche` | i would say so |
| 11:59:56 | GodEater | I like the sound of 160GB |
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| 12:00:06 | * | scorche already has 160 in a DAP |
| 12:00:46 | GodEater | archos presumably though |
| 12:00:51 | * | scorche nods |
| 12:01:08 | GodEater | apparently the 80GB version of the classic is even thinner than the current 5.5G 30GB |
| 12:01:10 | GodEater | which is quite impressive |
| 12:01:25 | scorche | FLAC and a decent line out would be nice though...hence why i have been watching AV300 auctions |
| 12:01:53 | scorche | single platter?....i hate speculating though |
| 12:01:58 | mikae1 | flac support, yes |
| 12:02:00 | GodEater | I guess it has to be |
| 12:02:06 | mikae1 | why the f*** should it be so hard |
| 12:02:12 | mikae1 | oh, we've got alac |
| 12:02:19 | GodEater | mikae1: because they choose to make it so ? |
| 12:02:20 | scorche | mikae1: well, there are reasons for that with the archos units.. |
| 12:02:21 | mikae1 | you can't use flac |
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| 12:03:03 | mikae1 | scorce: are there reasons for that with the ipod? |
| 12:03:09 | * | GodEater is currently hunting to find pics from the first dissections |
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| 12:03:17 | scorche | rockbox supports flac just fine on the ipods... |
| 12:03:31 | scorche | GodEater: sounds like my job after the nanos came out |
| 12:03:31 | GodEater | on those ipods we support anyway ;) |
| 12:03:36 | sasukee | hi, how do you manage podcasts with rockbox? |
| 12:03:45 | scorche | sasukee: anyway you like |
| 12:03:48 | mikae1 | scorche: it did |
| 12:03:57 | mikae1 | scorche: but not most likely on the 6g |
| 12:03:59 | scorche | not past tense... |
| 12:04:10 | sasukee | so u just sync a podcast folder |
| 12:04:26 | scorche | that still doesnt change that to past tense... |
| 12:05:11 | mikae1 | has anybody replaced the battery in a mini? |
| 12:05:22 | mikae1 | if so, what battery did you go for? |
| 12:05:39 | mikae1 | also, does the mini 2g version of rockbox play flac? |
| 12:05:42 | GodEater | just because there's a new ipod does not mean we suddenly don't support flac on the models we already run on |
| 12:06:03 | scorche | all SWcodec devices run flac... |
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| 12:07:27 | ddalton | so what are the specks for it? |
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| 12:08:14 | GodEater | ddalton: no-one knows yet |
| 12:08:20 | mikae1 | GodEater: that wasn't what i meant. i wondered if the mini has ever been able to play flac. |
| 12:08:27 | scorche | well, plenty know that, im sure |
| 12:08:28 | mikae1 | but i guess the question is yes then :) |
| 12:08:44 | scorche | all SWcodec devices run flac... |
| 12:08:59 | mikae1 | ok |
| 12:09:03 | ddalton | what its not out yet? |
| 12:09:18 | GodEater | ddalton: what's not out yet ? |
| 12:09:27 | ddalton | the new ipod |
| 12:10:09 | GodEater | ddalton: yes it's out - but apple never tell you what the specs are beyond what the disc space is |
| 12:10:23 | ddalton | what's the disk space? |
| 12:10:25 | ddalton | how big? |
| 12:10:27 | GodEater | ddalton: so to know what processor it uses and such like, someone has to take one apart |
| 12:10:50 | GodEater | ddalton: if you mean the replacement for the ipod video, then it's coming in 80GB and 160GB varieties |
| 12:11:10 | ddalton | That's right. I know I was talking to a company about there word processing code and they wouldn't give me any info. |
| 12:11:11 | GodEater | they boast 40 hours of music playback too - which is pretty impressive |
| 12:11:23 | ddalton | its secret |
| 12:11:45 | ddalton | what and $800? |
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| 12:11:58 | GodEater | which $ do you mean ? US, or AU ? |
| 12:11:58 | ddalton | the last one was expencive when it first came out. |
| 12:12:06 | ddalton | any |
| 12:12:08 | ddalton | au |
| 12:12:47 | GodEater | the 80GB is 249 USD |
| 12:12:47 | bluebrother | I bet USD −− whose referring to AUD except australians? ;-) |
| 12:13:01 | GodEater | I think ddalton is from AU |
| 12:13:07 | ddalton | yes |
| 12:13:25 | GodEater | hence why I asked :) |
| 12:13:28 | bluebrother | nice country. Unfortunately quite far away from europe |
| 12:13:29 | ddalton | for the new one? |
| 12:13:39 | ddalton | yeah where are you |
| 12:13:47 | bluebrother | me? Germany. |
| 12:13:54 | ddalton | oh ok |
| 12:13:56 | GodEater | 349 USD for the 160GB one |
| 12:14:05 | ddalton | not to bad. |
| 12:14:11 | amiconn | pondlife: Already checked the latest improvements for sapi voice building? |
| 12:14:17 | GodEater | I guess we'll get ripped off in the UK though |
| 12:14:25 | bluebrother | I've been to australia once and really liked it. Too bad travelling takes that much time (and money) |
| 12:14:34 | ddalton | wouldn't carry it around in my pocket. |
| 12:15:13 | GodEater | 249 GBP for the 160GB here |
| 12:15:21 | GodEater | so yes, we're getting ripped off |
| 12:15:28 | scorche | whats new? |
| 12:15:32 | GodEater | nothing |
| 12:15:48 | ddalton | I don't understand why you would pay $350 AU for a 8 gb nano. When you can get a slightly bigger player in size for $280 or something with 20 gb hdd |
| 12:16:14 | GodEater | ddalton: I don't like using an HDD based device when I go running |
| 12:16:34 | ddalton | bluebrother: where did you go? |
| 12:17:26 | ddalton | yeah but maybe then something with smaller flash like 1 gb. Really if your going for a run you don't really need 10000 songs on it. |
| 12:17:48 | GodEater | ddalton: true :) |
| 12:18:09 | GodEater | ddalton: especially the paltry distances I run |
| 12:18:23 | ddalton | what's wrong with a hdd player when running? Does it bounce the hdd out of posision? |
| 12:18:31 | ddalton | or something |
| 12:18:39 | GodEater | ddalton: kind of - it can cause the heads in the disk to skip |
| 12:18:57 | pondlife | amiconn: Not yet, just in the process of rebuilding my PC after a blown PSU and damaged motherboard. Luckily all else seems unharmed. |
| 12:19:00 | ddalton | flash seems expencive or is it just the small size of the player |
| 12:19:17 | GodEater | ddalton: a combination of both I would imagine |
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| 12:20:23 | ddalton | actually used my friends nano for 2 minutes and got anoyed by the touchy click wheel. The fourth gen click wheel was pretty good I have to admit. |
| 12:20:24 | ddalton | with rockbox |
| 12:20:57 | scorche | well, the nanos have a smaller wheel as well |
| 12:21:16 | * | ddalton wants to get that ipod working! 20 gb |
| 12:21:56 | ddalton | well I skipped menus and stuff and it just wasn't what I liked. I am sure I would get use to it but I wouldn't buy a nano. |
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| 12:24:14 | * | GodEater fights with bascule in the New Ports forum |
| 12:24:52 | GodEater | yay - now in the top five posters! |
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| 12:28:45 | GodEater | scorche: you locked it again :( |
| 12:29:02 | scorche | heh...it auto-did that, as i posted mine when it was in a locked state |
| 12:29:21 | scorche | i would rather see it made a new, proper thread though...i might start it myself |
| 12:29:58 | GodEater | I just really want to see the scans if the original poster (or someone else) gets round to doing it |
| 12:30:00 | scorche | GodEater: and get in #rockbox-after-dark, chump |
| 12:30:11 | GodEater | he did say "if you want any information just ask" |
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| 12:32:26 | mikae1 | does anybody know an american online shop which sells cheap flash cards |
| 12:32:40 | mikae1 | the only one i know is newegg |
| 12:32:49 | mikae1 | i'm not an american resident |
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| 12:33:45 | DefineByte | A couple of days ago a guy on here said that none of his tags showed up in Rockbox. He said his mp3 files used combined ID3v1/2 tags. I suggested converting all tags to ID3v2. This fixed the problem. Now, the question is, is this by design ,a bug or a one off aberration (maybe to do with the program he used to tag the files) that mp3s with combined v1 and v2 tags don't show up in Rockbox? |
| 12:33:52 | linuxstb | mikae1: That's way off-topic for this channel, but I would just use one of the price-comparison websites. Or join #rockbox-community |
| 12:34:23 | linuxstb | DefineByte: Rockbox reads both tags, and has a setting to give preference to one over the other. |
| 12:34:40 | DefineByte | hmm, rockbox-community? is that an offtopic rockbox irc channel then? not heard of that. |
| 12:34:49 | linuxstb | Read the topic... |
| 12:35:06 | DefineByte | he was getting no tags at all though. it seemed strange |
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| 12:35:35 | DefineByte | maybe all the tags were corrupt and just re-writing them fixed it. |
| 12:36:03 | DefineByte | how long has that channel been around then? 8) |
| 12:36:14 | pixelma | GodEater: the pure number of posts doesn't tell anything... ;) |
| 12:36:34 | scorche | -ChanServ- Registered: 32 weeks 1 day (10h 56m 53s) ago |
| 12:36:48 | linuxstb | GodEater: And you should exclude all posts that consist solely of a link to the NewPorts wiki page... |
| 12:37:09 | linuxstb | (if only we had more control over the forums, we could script that...) |
| 12:37:58 | GodEater | linuxstb: hehe - I said similar to Llorean, only about not counting posts saying "re-read the posting guidelines" |
| 12:38:25 | linuxstb | So Llorean's count would be down to double-figures? |
| 12:38:29 | scorche | GodEater: but then you would be down to 23 posts... |
| 12:38:38 | GodEater | scorche: if that |
| 12:38:46 | scorche | and saratoga would be way above you ;) |
| 12:38:56 | GodEater | probably |
| 12:39:06 | GodEater | I should quit with the "yeah, what he said" posts too probably |
| 12:39:26 | DefineByte | yeah |
| 12:39:30 | scorche | or the "im special too!" posts ;) |
| 12:39:44 | * | GodEater looks down at his big shoes |
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| 12:44:07 | jbr-lover | hi all |
| 12:45:13 | jbr-lover | I have a problem concerning my DC connector. follwoing situation.. |
| 12:45:36 | linuxstb | I assume you have an Archos Jukebox Recorder? |
| 12:45:53 | linuxstb | If so, which version? If not, which device? |
| 12:46:10 | jbr-lover | I am blind, and therefore requested a repair facility near me to solder the DC connector, cause it fell into the device. |
| 12:46:22 | jbr-lover | sorry.. Recorder V1 |
| 12:46:24 | jbr-lover | 20 GB |
| 12:46:39 | * | linuxstb pings LinusN and amiconn in case they can help |
| 12:47:31 | jbr-lover | the guys at repair said, impossible without a spare part, but they were unable to locate spare connectors. the man explained to me that the plus pole is inside, while the rest of the connector could be gotten out. but the plus is broken, and they say it cannot be resoldered... |
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| 12:51:57 | jbr-lover | thanks, I will hang in here. other then that, no problem with rockbox or the jukebox, has always wororked fine. and it is super that menu items can be made to speak. |
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| 12:57:19 | amiconn | eurgh |
| 12:57:38 | amiconn | The usb stack code is in need of a big code police raid |
| 12:58:13 | Jdgordon | send in the SWAT team! |
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| 12:58:55 | ziroday | what is more stable in rbutil the current or archived build? |
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| 12:59:24 | bluebrother | archived builds are simply build once a day. |
| 12:59:36 | bluebrother | while the current build is done upon every code change. |
| 12:59:46 | bluebrother | usually you should just be able using the current build |
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| 13:00:34 | ziroday | bluebrother: ok but before i was having issues with playback and was told it was a bug that was being worked on. i was just wondering what was more stable thanks :) |
| 13:00:48 | bluebrother | well, current build is newer. |
| 13:00:59 | ziroday | ill use that thanks |
| 13:02:13 | linuxstb | amiconn: What's the problem with the usb stack code? I already raided it once.. |
| 13:02:47 | amiconn | CamelCase variables + hungarian notation |
| 13:03:06 | linuxstb | Hmm, I didn't notice those. |
| 13:03:24 | amiconn | Check the latest commit's diff... |
| 13:03:46 | GodEater | yuk |
| 13:03:52 | linuxstb | Yes, I've just looked... Although maybe they're taken from some other project, in which case it might make sense to keep them. austriancoder? |
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| 13:04:51 | austriancoder | amiconn: there is no coding style document for such a case |
| 13:04:53 | austriancoder | sorry |
| 13:05:15 | bluebrother | isn't "iProduct" and similar also the way it's written in the specs? Doesn't it make more sense to keep that way? |
| 13:05:35 | linuxstb | austriancoder: "Variables and function names should be all lower case." |
| 13:05:45 | B4gder | also, there are multiple long lines and brace-on-first-for-function-declaration |
| 13:06:26 | linuxstb | B4gder: The brace-on-first-for-function-declaration is missing from CONTRIBUTING though... |
| 13:06:39 | GodEater | still... |
| 13:07:32 | austriancoder | soo.. maybe i have something on my eyes.. but can you point me to a "wrong" formated part in my code? |
| 13:08:09 | Zagor | every variable that isn't all lower case? |
| 13:08:27 | linuxstb | What amiconn just said - the iHungarianNotation names in the structs you modified in your latest commit |
| 13:08:34 | * | B4gder commits a CONTRIBUTING change |
| 13:08:59 | austriancoder | linuxstb: ahhh.. this is so written in the usb2.0 chapter 9 doc |
| 13:09:34 | linuxstb | austriancoder: That's what I was asking you - if the names are taken from elsewhere. |
| 13:09:53 | linuxstb | IMO that's a good reason for an exception.... |
| 13:10:00 | austriancoder | linuxstb: they are taken from elsewhere |
| 13:10:11 | * | linuxstb isn't in charge though... |
| 13:12:20 | amiconn | B4gder: That reminds me - should we stick to those conventions for files which aren't C (as far as possible)? |
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| 13:13:09 | B4gder | I don't have any strong opinion since C is the primary language we use |
| 13:13:10 | linuxstb | amiconn: Are you thinking of the VB code? |
| 13:13:18 | amiconn | yes |
| 13:13:29 | linuxstb | I looked at that yesterday, and thought the same... |
| 13:13:55 | amiconn | The vbscript sticks to the indent-by-4 and line length conventions, but not to the variable names |
| 13:13:57 | B4gder | it isn't stricly necessary that the C rules are the best suitable for other languages |
| 13:14:15 | linuxstb | I think it would make sense to do what VB programmers normally do (for better or for worse)... |
| 13:14:26 | preglow | worse... |
| 13:14:43 | amiconn | (even though vb isn't format free and wrapping a line needs a continuation character - the _ ) |
| 13:21:44 | Zagor | jbr-lover: the guy could be right, the connector might be discontinued. one solution would be to use another dc-connector connected with wiring. then you'd get it ugly hanging on the outside, but at least it'd work. |
| 13:22:31 | Zagor | jbr-lover: another option is to search for an old broken archos to strip that part from |
| 13:22:54 | scorche | hrm...wasnt that just a general jack? |
| 13:23:24 | Zagor | yeah. but it's board-mounted. an maybe the pins on currently available ports don't match the board. I don't know. |
| 13:23:35 | scorche | green wire |
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| 13:24:14 | Zagor | scorche: ? |
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| 13:25:51 | scorche | looks pretty general to me...and one could likely re wire a bit if it doesnt fit quite right |
| 13:26:28 | Zagor | yeah, but then it wouldn't sit firm and would be more difficult to connect. hence my suggestion to simply move it outside. |
| 13:27:06 | scorche | http://www.connactivity.com/~eaw/archos_apart/ |
| 13:27:28 | scorche | still seems to be there on digikey |
| 13:28:36 | Zagor | excellent. |
| 13:28:57 | Zagor | jbr-lover: the part you want is called PJ-007 and is made by CUI INC |
| 13:29:19 | Zagor | jbr-lover: available here http://www.digikey.com/scripts/US/DKSUS.dll?KeywordSearch?MPart=PJ-007 |
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| 13:33:05 | n1s | Does anyone understand FS #7713 ? |
| 13:34:09 | Zagor | haha, nice verbose report. and it's a ... patch? |
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| 13:37:22 | jbr-lover | um thanks, have to scroll around a little. to see the msgs. you are great!!! |
| 13:37:33 | jbr-lover | a bit hard with screen readers... |
| 13:37:39 | Zagor | I can imagine |
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| 13:37:51 | * | petur reads http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/06/tosh_previews_next_gen_hdd/ and falls over |
| 13:41:17 | scorche | wow |
| 13:41:50 | scorche | 240GB dual platter 1.8... |
| 13:43:13 | * | n1s is still a little shocked that they're actually selling players with 160GB 1.8" drives... but this is absurd |
| 13:45:57 | jbr-lover | OK, will just have to look somewhere in europe to get this connector in Germany, since I am an enduser, |
| 13:46:14 | jbr-lover | but thanks a bunch!!! |
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| 14:02:00 | linuxstb | scorche: Those Toshiba drives seem a long way into the future though - IIUC, they haven't even announced the product, just the technology. Samsung have 160GB in shops today... |
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| 14:02:30 | scorche | linuxstb: aye...they say 2009 in the article |
| 14:03:15 | scorche | as well, it says toshiba have 160GB 1.8 as well |
| 14:03:27 | linuxstb | Competition is always good... |
| 14:03:28 | scorche | "including, we believe, the 160GB hard drive found in the new iPod Classic." |
| 14:03:51 | linuxstb | I guess we'll get an answer soon when the first dissections are published. |
| 14:03:56 | scorche | indeed |
| 14:04:11 | B4gder | any known rockbox dev going for one of these ? |
| 14:05:16 | linuxstb | I haven't heard anyone mention it. |
| 14:05:20 | scorche | if they still encrypt it... |
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| 14:09:21 | linuxstb | B4gder: MrH has never shown any interest in ipods? |
| 14:09:50 | B4gder | nope |
| 14:10:14 | linuxstb | Seems no-one with a clue ever does. I wonder why.... |
| 14:10:50 | n1s | linuxstbsomeone in the ipodlinux project must have had a clue, at some point in time :-) |
| 14:11:12 | n1s | insert sapces and colons where appropriate |
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| 14:12:25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. Does anyone have any advice for what mp3 player I should buy? I want one with at least 10gb of storage space... |
| 14:12:36 | Dark_Apostrophe | Preferably one that isn't terribly expensive, since I'm saving up to buy a car |
| 14:12:41 | B4gder | see BuyersGuide in the wiki |
| 14:13:51 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is the iAudio X5L any good? |
| 14:14:15 | B4gder | it is fine |
| 14:14:28 | B4gder | but not easy to find, nor very cheap |
| 14:14:32 | Dark_Apostrophe | Damn. |
| 14:14:44 | Dark_Apostrophe | I live in Norway - finding stuff here isn't exactly a walk in the park. |
| 14:14:49 | linuxstb | Do you want flash-based or a hard disk? |
| 14:15:15 | Dark_Apostrophe | If there are any that have ridiculously large flash drives, that's ok, but I'll probably need a drive |
| 14:15:27 | Dark_Apostrophe | I also want to be able to watch TV episodes on it |
| 14:15:31 | Dark_Apostrophe | If that's possible |
| 14:15:52 | B4gder | sounds like a gigabeat |
| 14:15:59 | linuxstb | The Rockbox device with the best video support (in Rockbox) will be the Gigabeat F. |
| 14:16:03 | Dark_Apostrophe | aren't those microsoft's? |
| 14:16:18 | linuxstb | No, Toshiba, but Toshiba also made the initial Zunes. |
| 14:16:35 | B4gder | Toshiba is kind of in bed with Microsoft all over |
| 14:16:49 | linuxstb | The Gigabeat F ran Linux as it's original firmware though.. |
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| 14:17:00 | Dark_Apostrophe | So are these any new? |
| 14:17:06 | B4gder | no |
| 14:17:08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Damn.' |
| 14:17:22 | B4gder | still manufactured models that run rockbox are rare |
| 14:17:23 | linuxstb | No, but extremely good value used. Around USD $100 for a 40GB. |
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| 14:17:38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Any Creative ones though? |
| 14:17:41 | B4gder | no |
| 14:17:45 | Dark_Apostrophe | They seem to pump out new players all the time |
| 14:17:46 | Dark_Apostrophe | damn |
| 14:17:49 | B4gder | not a single one in fact |
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| 14:18:08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Damnit |
| 14:18:15 | Dark_Apostrophe | My current one is a Creative Zen Touch |
| 14:18:26 | Dark_Apostrophe | A big old black/white beast |
| 14:18:49 | Dark_Apostrophe | But it does work well and is very rugged (I've dropped it on asfalt multiple times without it even stopping playback) |
| 14:19:24 | B4gder | but it lacks rockbox... |
| 14:19:53 | Dark_Apostrophe | Indeed. |
| 14:20:13 | Dark_Apostrophe | I found a relatively cheap one that has a lot of storage: archos 404 |
| 14:20:21 | Dark_Apostrophe | But damn, the thing seems huge |
| 14:20:25 | * | n1s have been searching for gigabeats on the net that are available in Sweden, no luck so far... |
| 14:20:40 | n1s | of the F or maybe S models |
| 14:20:57 | B4gder | rockbox doesn't run on the archos 404 |
| 14:21:08 | Dark_Apostrophe | Damnit |
| 14:21:25 | Dark_Apostrophe | Archos 604 then? |
| 14:21:37 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm using this list of players: |
| 14:21:37 | B4gder | no |
| 14:21:37 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://prisguide.hardware.no/vis_kategori.php?cat_id=20&manufacturer_id%5B%5D=&techinfo_compare%5B125%5D=select&techinfo_value%5B125%5D%5B%5D=&techinfo_compare%5B1206%5D=checkbox&techinfo_value%5B1206%5D%5B%5D=&techinfo_compare%5B1205%5D=select&techinfo_value%5B1205%5D%5B%5D=&techinfo_compare%5B1659%5D=gt&techinfo_value%5B1659%5D=10&techinfo_compare%5B1565%5D=checkbox&techinfo_value%5B1565%5D%5B%5D=&techinfo_compare%5B3871% |
| 14:21:37 | Dark_Apostrophe | 5D=bool&techinfo_value%5B3871%5D=&sortering=min_price&ppp=25&submit=S%F8k |
| 14:21:38 | scorche | you can see what rockbox runs on on the front page |
| 14:21:38 | advcomp2019 | Dark_Apostrophe, do they have the sansa over there |
| 14:21:46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ooh crap, that's one gigantic link |
| 14:21:50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hold on, I'll use tinyurl |
| 14:21:55 | scorche | dont bother |
| 14:21:57 | amiconn | Somebody pls make an ata 50pin -> zif adapter :/ |
| 14:22:06 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://tinyurl.com/2wl6ls |
| 14:22:09 | B4gder | Dark_Apostrophe: BuyersGuide |
| 14:22:18 | n1s | amiconn: going for a 160GB upgrade? ;-) |
| 14:22:19 | Dark_Apostrophe | I know, but I use that to find players that can be bought in Norway |
| 14:22:29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Are any of those on that list compatible? |
| 14:22:49 | B4gder | Dark_Apostrophe: compare with our front page |
| 14:22:56 | B4gder | we don't have to spoon feed this to you |
| 14:22:59 | advcomp2019 | Dark_Apostrophe, do you have the sansas |
| 14:23:06 | Dark_Apostrophe | B4gder: Sorry... |
| 14:23:13 | linuxstb | Dark_Apostrophe: I think you need to make a choice: 1) New Sansa E200 (8GB flash plus expandable via microSD), relatively small LCD; 2) Used Gigabeat F - large capacity, large screen, good video playback in Rockbox; 3) ipod video (using Apple's firmware for video playback); 4) Don't run rockbox. |
| 14:23:16 | Dark_Apostrophe | advcomp2019: Yeah, but their storage is quite limited :( |
| 14:23:40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Option 2 seems like the only half-decent one |
| 14:23:41 | advcomp2019 | they are not limited with rockbox |
| 14:23:48 | Dark_Apostrophe | But finding gigabeats isn't easy |
| 14:24:53 | advcomp2019 | rockbox on an e200 has microsdhc |
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| 14:25:30 | amiconn | n1s: At least I want that option. It's also interesting to be able to go 80GB single platter (e.g. my X5, or maybe pixelma's M5L) |
| 14:25:32 | B4gder | but an e280 with a 4GB microsdhc probably gonna be cheap either |
| 14:25:38 | B4gder | eh, not |
| 14:25:56 | * | Dark_Apostrophe buggars off to ebay to find gigabeats |
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| 14:26:49 | linuxstb | Dark_Apostrophe: Remember that Rockbox only works on the F and X series gigabeats at the moment. Although a port to the S series is being worked on. |
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| 14:26:58 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay |
| 14:27:30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Weird |
| 14:27:40 | Dark_Apostrophe | The only thing on ebay are leather cases for the gigabeats |
| 14:27:44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Not the gigabeats themselves |
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| 14:28:37 | _m4yh3m | hm...anyone an idea why my ipod video 80gb crash when i initial the database with about 16gb mp3? |
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| 14:29:10 | n1s | _m4yh3m: are you using a current build |
| 14:29:16 | _m4yh3m | yeah |
| 14:29:22 | n1s | from today? |
| 14:29:31 | _m4yh3m | and tryed also a "final" |
| 14:29:47 | _m4yh3m | ehm |
| 14:29:49 | _m4yh3m | daily |
| 14:30:06 | n1s | try with the _current_ build |
| 14:30:08 | advcomp2019 | Dark_Apostrophe, btw why do you want to run rockbox to play only TV episodes |
| 14:30:31 | Dark_Apostrophe | I want it primarily as an mp3/ogg player |
| 14:30:41 | Dark_Apostrophe | but occasionally, I'd want to be able to watch TV episodes too |
| 14:31:14 | _m4yh3m | atm im running r14616-070905 |
| 14:31:30 | linuxstb | That's the build before the fix was made... |
| 14:31:36 | advcomp2019 | the cowon d2 might be the way even tho it does not have rockbox yet |
| 14:32:06 | linuxstb | _m4yh3m: The current build is r14627 |
| 14:32:11 | Dark_Apostrophe | The Cowon A2 isn't supported? |
| 14:32:15 | Dark_Apostrophe | I found one in Norway... |
| 14:32:30 | _m4yh3m | hm.. |
| 14:32:36 | _m4yh3m | or should i try r14625-070906 ? |
| 14:32:38 | linuxstb | Dark_Apostrophe No, just the X5/X5L/X5V and M5/M5L |
| 14:32:45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Damn.. |
| 14:33:09 | linuxstb | _m4yh3m: Why are you refusing to install the "current build" ? |
| 14:33:33 | _m4yh3m | hm.i dont, gonna try, sec |
| 14:33:34 | advcomp2019 | how much are the d2s in norway |
| 14:33:51 | advcomp2019 | to what you want to spend |
| 14:35:17 | Dark_Apostrophe | advcomp2019: I don't know.. but does it matter, if they're not rockbox compatible? |
| 14:35:51 | scorche | it matters because this is a rockbox channel..anything else is offtopic |
| 14:36:13 | B4gder | Dark_Apostrophe: is it really that hard to read the list on the rockbox.org front page? |
| 14:36:24 | B4gder | I am genuinely curious |
| 14:36:44 | Dark_Apostrophe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide <−−- I looked here :/ |
| 14:37:04 | B4gder | yes, and on the front page is the complete list of all models rockbox supports |
| 14:37:44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay... looking now |
| 14:37:49 | advcomp2019 | lets go to #rockbox-community Dark_Apostrophe to talk easier |
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| 14:38:42 | * | B4gder interprets that as no, it isn't hard but I'm a lazy person |
| 14:39:45 | advcomp2019 | he went to the over channel |
| 14:39:56 | advcomp2019 | other* |
| 14:40:02 | B4gder | yes, so my question wasn't answered |
| 14:40:11 | B4gder | never mind |
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| 14:43:55 | _m4yh3m | hm... - looks like its workin now, thx @ linuxstb & n1s |
| 14:44:01 | Kupopop | 16-18 hours on my iriver h140!? |
| 14:44:09 | Kupopop | I'd be lucky to get 6 |
| 14:44:21 | B4gder | then your battery is run down |
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| 14:44:26 | Kupopop | maybe its because I use a lot of ogg |
| 14:44:46 | scorche | ugh...i cant believe that e200R thread has gone to 6 pages... |
| 14:45:29 | n1s | Kupopop: you should get a lot better battery time with that player even if playing back only ogg |
| 14:45:46 | n1s | unless it is only 500kbps 96kHz files |
| 14:46:01 | Kupopop | its quite old, I think I bought it in 2004 |
| 14:46:09 | Kupopop | maybe the battery is knackered |
| 14:46:25 | Kupopop | there is a rockbox plugin which tests battery isn't there? |
| 14:46:46 | n1s | I get something like 12 hours on my h320 with q4 oggs, I got it for christmas 2004 |
| 14:46:58 | n1s | Kupopop: yeps, battery_bench |
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| 15:03:15 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: The new iPod classic 160GB might have a Toshiba disk after all... see here: http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/06/toshiba-announces-ipod-classic-sized-80gb-and-160gb-1-8-inch-dis/ |
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| 15:03:55 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: Yes, scorche mentioned that earlier... |
| 15:04:12 | Genre9mp3 | ah... didn't notice |
| 15:04:25 | linuxstb | I suppose they could even be using a mixture of the two... |
| 15:06:52 | Genre9mp3 | good news is that this one can fit to irivers... (?) |
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| 15:12:43 | B4gder | low_light: good work on the c200 front! |
| 15:12:45 | linuxstb | Genre9mp3: IIUC, "CE-ATA" is a new 18-pin connector, not the 50-pin the irivers have. |
| 15:13:19 | B4gder | low_light: you good with the recent key additions to mi4code and mi4.c ? |
| 15:15:02 | Genre9mp3 | linuxstb: oh... that's very dissapointing then... |
| 15:16:29 | petur | hmmm toshiba does 3600rpm, samsung does 4200rpm |
| 15:17:40 | low_light | B4gder: thanks...and the new key works. |
| 15:17:50 | B4gder | goodie |
| 15:23:07 | low_light | I'm not sure why the OF doesn't load from the rockbox bootloader even with the right key |
| 15:23:23 | B4gder | init issue? |
| 15:23:33 | B4gder | or at what point does it fail? |
| 15:26:16 | low_light | The rockbox bootloader appears to successfully exit |
| 15:26:41 | linuxstb | How is it loading the OF? From an OF.bin file? |
| 15:26:59 | low_light | OF.mi4 |
| 15:27:10 | linuxstb | And it's being decrypted correctly? |
| 15:27:12 | low_light | I think I tried OF.bin with the same result |
| 15:27:30 | linuxstb | So what exactly happens? |
| 15:28:06 | low_light | last message printed is "c200_106 key used" then nothing |
| 15:29:40 | B4gder | time to sprinkle with printf()s... |
| 15:31:01 | linuxstb | And as B4gder said, it could be an init problem - so you could try disabling things in the bootloader, like LCD and button inits... |
| 15:31:26 | low_light | after that it should either print "Can't load /System/OF.mi4" or return (void*)loadbuffer |
| 15:32:06 | linuxstb | You should at least confirm it's getting to the return statement. |
| 15:32:52 | amiconn | Ouch, CE-ATA can't even be used with an adapter in irivers :( |
| 15:33:06 | amiconn | If they would be ZIF, an adapter would be possible... |
| 15:34:55 | linuxstb | The Samsung drives are ZIF though, but you probably knew that... |
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| 15:52:16 | kugel | does microSD and LCD backlight work on the c200, are all buttons working. is there a clock (i dont know if in the OF of the c200 is one). And how is the soundquality, comparable to the OF? |
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| 15:52:54 | Jdgordon | does anyone other than low_light in the channel have a c200? |
| 15:54:11 | agm3nt | yes |
| 15:55:20 | low_light | kugel: (1) I don't have a microSD to try, (2) backlight works, (3) buttons work (although the keymap probably needs work), (4) there's a clock |
| 15:55:20 | kugel | its just, that im gonna write a news on www.rockbox-lounge.com about the c200 port, but the infos the SVN comment gives are barely enough |
| 15:55:32 | kugel | thanks |
| 15:55:43 | B4gder | I would assume the sound quality to be very similar to the e200 |
| 15:56:58 | low_light | kugel: there's still work to be done, particularly getting dual-boot to work because you still need the OF to get files on the device |
| 15:57:30 | kugel | i know |
| 15:57:59 | linuxstb | Does the C200 also have 32MB of RAM? |
| 15:58:36 | low_light | linuxstb: yes...afaik |
| 15:59:06 | kugel | are there allready any tests about the battery life on a rockboxed c200? |
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| 16:00:16 | linuxstb | Has anyone apart from low_light installed Rockbox on a c200 yet? |
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| 16:00:59 | low_light | kugel: no |
| 16:02:24 | low_light | linuxstb: I believe I have the only one |
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| 16:11:48 | Jdgordon | does anyone here have a e200r? |
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| 16:13:21 | pixelma | advcomp2019, I believe. (and scorche) |
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| 16:13:38 | Jdgordon | advcomp2019: you round? |
| 16:14:06 | B4gder | the sansa m200 isn't mi4 based and probably not PP |
| 16:14:23 | * | B4gder got the upgrade file and peeks |
| 16:14:46 | B4gder | "Telechips MTP V0.1" |
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| 16:15:03 | Jdgordon | B4gder: how important do you think a dump of that partition from a non rockboxed e200r would be? |
| 16:15:13 | Jdgordon | s/that/the hidden |
| 16:15:18 | B4gder | Jdgordon: not terribly |
| 16:15:29 | Agm3nt | how to install rockbox on c200? |
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| 16:15:48 | B4gder | Jdgordon: since the layout is the same as the vanilla ones and we already have the BL extracted |
| 16:15:50 | Jdgordon | ok, the I wont bother puting a call out on the mailing lists for a guienea pig :p |
| 16:15:55 | linuxstb | Jdgordon: I think you need a dump of the partition table (MBR) though - to see what it actually looks like. |
| 16:16:02 | B4gder | ah yes |
| 16:16:21 | linuxstb | Somehow you need to locate the start of the firmware partition... |
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| 16:17:05 | Jdgordon | the mbr is the first few sectors or something isnt it? |
| 16:17:20 | linuxstb | The very first sector - 512 bytes. |
| 16:21:39 | low_light | linuxstb: regarding the ram on the c200...according to the image here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port the ram is Infineon HYB18L256160BF |
| 16:22:14 | low_light | the product brief (http://www.tranzistoare.ro/datasheets/700/237595_DS.pdf) says its "256 Mb" |
| 16:22:25 | linuxstb | OK, so the standard 32MB then. |
| 16:22:51 | linuxstb | I just wondered, as I can't remember how the bootloader is using RAM - it could be trying to use something in the 2nd 16MB region. |
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| 16:23:22 | Jdgordon | is there an app which can turn the mbr.bin into something simple to view? or do I need to find the format somewhere? |
| 16:23:34 | linuxstb | Rockbox can... |
| 16:23:43 | linuxstb | Just display the partinfo information in your app... |
| 16:24:23 | low_light | linuxstb: what do I need to get sansapatcher to work on the c200? |
| 16:24:52 | linuxstb | low_light: Firstly, is there a second, firmware partition on the disk? |
| 16:25:35 | low_light | yes (Rockbox sees 2 partitions) |
| 16:25:48 | linuxstb | Are you using Linux? |
| 16:27:22 | low_light | Not at the moment...I'm going to try to boot a livecd later and image the drive with dd |
| 16:28:59 | linuxstb | It's going to be a little work to get sansapatcher working with the c200. It's based on ipodpatcher, which supports installing different bootloaders to different devices, but that functionality wasn't included in sansapatcher. |
| 16:29:55 | linuxstb | So it will require a bit of copying and pasting to add that to sansapatcher as well. |
| 16:30:35 | linuxstb | You'll then need to work out how the firmware partition differs from an E200, and modify it appropriately. |
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| 16:32:58 | Jdgordon | hey Shane_e250r |
| 16:33:14 | Jdgordon | please say you have a linux box...? |
| 16:33:20 | Shane_e250r | ok jdgordon hear i am |
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| 16:33:29 | Shane_e250r | .... |
| 16:33:34 | Shane_e250r | no |
| 16:33:47 | Jdgordon | bah, ok, dont worry then |
| 16:33:48 | Shane_e250r | if i had i would all ready have rockbox |
| 16:33:53 | Shane_e250r | ok |
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| 16:36:43 | Shane_e250r | hello jdgordon? |
| 16:37:07 | Jdgordon | ... i need someone with linux and an e200r |
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| 16:38:49 | linuxstb | Jdgordon: Do you have access to a Windows box? |
| 16:38:54 | Jdgordon | yeah |
| 16:39:36 | linuxstb | Maybe it could be the time to try and get your stripped-down e200tool working there - so you can get some testers. I would expect most e200r owners with Linux abilities to already have patched... |
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| 16:40:15 | Jdgordon | yeah probably... wont have time til the weekend though |
| 16:40:37 | Jdgordon | putting a email on the -dev ml just in case someone hasnt converted yet |
| 16:40:40 | linuxstb | Is your latest e200tool available somewhere? Maybe someone else could give it a go? |
| 16:40:57 | Jdgordon | will be in a minute |
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| 16:41:28 | Shane_e250r | how to you get linux it's it freeware? |
| 16:42:29 | linuxstb | Shane_e250r: You could start reading here - there is _lots_ of info about Linux on the web. And yes, it's free in all meanings of the word. |
| 16:43:36 | linuxstb | By "here", I meant here - http://www.linux.org/ |
| 16:44:06 | linuxstb | Follow the "Linux 101" link in the top-right corner. |
| 16:45:26 | XavierGr | amiconn: about autoghosting: my irc client has an option to autoconnect on disconnect and perform a list of commands (server dependant if you like) where I just identify and always ghost my nick. |
| 16:47:00 | XavierGr | of course when I connect for the first time, I get the "You cannot ghost yourself" in the status window, but that is not a concern at all |
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| 16:48:12 | DarkStylist | hi anyone experienced with mp3 players that wont browse and get past welcome screen? |
| 16:48:47 | linuxstb | This is a channel about the Rockbox software... |
| 16:50:06 | DarkStylist | yea but i gotta fix it in order to install rockbox |
| 16:50:28 | linuxstb | Which player is it? |
| 16:50:41 | DarkStylist | sandisk |
| 16:50:49 | linuxstb | Which sandisk player is it? |
| 16:51:18 | DarkStylist | e220 |
| 16:51:42 | linuxstb | Then you could try the methods here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 16:51:54 | DarkStylist | it stays at welcome at its original os and the drive says insert disk |
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| 16:52:11 | DarkStylist | thx |
| 16:52:16 | B4gder | 220? |
| 16:52:28 | B4gder | really? |
| 16:53:14 | linuxstb | B4gder: Is the e220 special? |
| 16:53:24 | B4gder | I'm not aware of any e220 model |
| 16:53:30 | DarkStylist | e200 sorry |
| 16:53:32 | B4gder | e250 is the 2GB one |
| 16:53:36 | Jdgordon | if the 2gb moel is the e250.. whats the e220? |
| 16:53:38 | DarkStylist | mistyped |
| 16:53:48 | Jdgordon | damn their un-intuitiver model numbering |
| 16:54:12 | DarkStylist | easy guys i misstyped the model. |
| 16:54:29 | linuxstb | DarkStylist: A single letter or digit can make a big difference... |
| 16:54:54 | linuxstb | But if it's part of the e200 series, then the page I linked you to may help. |
| 16:57:25 | B4gder | Jdgordon: I don't think a rockbox install will ruin the mbr dump you want |
| 16:57:41 | Jdgordon | maybe not... but just in case... |
| 16:58:22 | Jdgordon | anyway... 1am, bed time |
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| 16:58:38 | B4gder | going home time |
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| 17:00:47 | Shane_e250r | so all i have to do is install linux and follow the instution? |
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| 17:02:11 | Shane_e250r | all can i have linux and run windows at the same time? |
| 17:02:17 | Shane_e250r | *all so |
| 17:02:39 | n1s | Shane_e250r: yes, but this is getting off topic for this channel |
| 17:02:47 | DarkStylist | yes with vmware |
| 17:03:18 | DarkStylist | or some other virtual machine |
| 17:05:16 | Shane_e250r | sorry im tring to get rockbox on my e250r |
| 17:06:18 | linuxstb | DarkStylist: In this situation, it seems vmware isn't suitable. |
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| 17:10:56 | DarkStylist | i thought vmware had usb support |
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| 17:14:29 | lazka | Shane_e250r: or use a linux live cd. |
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| 17:19:25 | linuxstb | DarkStylist: Yes, but the two people that have tested it with vmware couldn't get it to work - something to do with conflicts between Windows and vmware http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 17:19:26 | jbr-lover | but thanks a bunch!!!hi all, am still here. |
| 17:19:38 | linuxstb | Oops, didn't mean to repaste that link... |
| 17:19:47 | jbr-lover | have a question to those who know the inner parts of the Recorder 20 V1... |
| 17:20:22 | jbr-lover | the connector, is it a black thing with three little pins like sticking out of it, one looking through the device turned towards the right? |
| 17:20:40 | jbr-lover | if so, Archos may still have one on stock! |
| 17:20:52 | amiconn | XavierGr: Thanks, I never tried ghosting myself. Thought that I would kick myself this way... |
| 17:21:18 | DarkStylist | btw rockbox support the sigmatel stfm1000? |
| 17:22:08 | * | amiconn added the /ns ghost line to the appropraite "command profile" in Hydra |
| 17:23:43 | DarkStylist | another mp3player i cant get to life |
| 17:24:25 | Shane_e250r | if i bought a track from real could that be played in rockbox? |
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| 17:26:22 | linuxstb | Shane_e250r: No. |
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| 17:27:27 | Shane_e250r | hello? |
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| 17:30:04 | n1s | DarkStylist: is it on the list of supported players on the frontpage? |
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| 17:31:56 | DarkStylist | its a soundchip |
| 17:32:30 | DarkStylist | im thinking of making one custom rockbox |
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| 17:34:50 | low_light | linuxstb: ok, I have a disk image of my sansa c250 |
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| 17:40:39 | preglow | http://www.icst.net/dsgdownload/Digital_Sound_Generation_1.pdf |
| 17:40:48 | preglow | ok, i did not intend to do that |
| 17:41:04 | preglow | but you will just have to live with it |
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| 17:44:45 | Shane_e250r | Hello? |
| 17:45:31 | Shane_e250r | i have a sansa D.a.p has anyone tried to put rockbox on it? |
| 17:47:02 | Robin0800 | tried to use large icons on a wps and ran into some buffer limit what is this hard limit? |
| 17:47:47 | Robin0800 | Shane_e250r, |
| 17:48:21 | Robin0800 | Shane_e250r, does it say the 250r is supported? |
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| 17:50:06 | Shane_e250r | yes i'm not talking the sansa e250 im talking the original dap http://www.sandisk.com/Products/Catalog(1072)-SanDisk_Digital_Audio_Players.aspx |
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| 17:58:44 | Shane_e250r | hello? |
| 17:59:51 | linuxstb | hello? |
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| 18:12:13 | Gnelik | Sansa 250 Data abort at 00045f80 playing any mp3 yesterday night build can someone confirm |
| 18:12:15 | Gnelik | ? |
| 18:12:42 | linuxstb | Update to a current build and try again. |
| 18:12:50 | linuxstb | I mean _the_ current build. |
| 18:13:12 | * | Gnelik went upgrading |
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| 18:30:41 | Justcameron | hey people |
| 18:31:08 | Justcameron | I'm looking for a way to make scrolling through lists of files faster on rockbox on my ipod photo |
| 18:31:28 | Justcameron | when scrolling through large lists in the ipod firmware, it accellerates as you scroll - can rockbox do this? |
| 18:31:58 | linuxstb | No, no-one has implemented that on ipods yet. |
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| 18:34:05 | Justcameron | linuxstb: okay, ty. I found that "better wheel support" is listed here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus#General_tasks |
| 18:34:19 | Justcameron | for now, I will put files into more sub-directories |
| 18:34:26 | Justcameron | thanks for your assistance linuxstb |
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| 18:41:59 | Robin0800 | Justcameron,i'm sure their is a patch for this |
| 18:42:16 | Justcameron | Robin0800: oh? |
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| 18:47:58 | Robin0800 | Justcameron,found it scrollwheel acceleration FS# 5594 |
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| 18:50:01 | DarkStylist | just a question |
| 18:51:00 | DarkStylist | which unit performs best with rockbox? |
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| 18:51:40 | Robin0800 | DarkStylist,define 'best'? |
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| 18:52:48 | DarkStylist | performs best with gameboy most stable etc |
| 18:53:16 | BigBambi | In terms of most stable, of SWCodec, it'd be iRiver (not H10), iAudio and Gigabeat |
| 18:53:23 | BigBambi | i.e. not PortalPlayer |
| 18:53:43 | BigBambi | For speed, Gigabeat, for recording H100.... depens what you want to do |
| 18:54:00 | BigBambi | Have a look at the BuyersGuide wiki page |
| 18:54:13 | DarkStylist | where at? |
| 18:54:18 | BigBambi | the wiki |
| 18:54:22 | BigBambi | www.rockbox.org |
| 18:54:22 | DarkStylist | sure |
| 18:54:54 | DarkStylist | recording like recording live concerts in cd quality wav? |
| 18:55:34 | Justcameron | so um... if I want to incorporate that patch, I'd have to download the source, patch it, then compile it? |
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| 18:57:15 | EnterUserName | Hey whats the usb stack? Is that allowing usb connections? if so does the latest cvs have access to use usb on the sansa? |
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| 19:00:55 | Robin0800 | Justcameron,or use an unsaported build check the forum |
| 19:01:08 | Justcameron | Robin0800: yeah, looking, thanks :) |
| 19:01:09 | EnterUserName | Do everyone post unsupported builds |
| 19:01:15 | BigBambi | DarkStylist: Yes, or WavPack or MP3 |
| 19:01:21 | EnterUserName | I created a build myself late august and i didnt know if i should post it |
| 19:02:00 | BigBambi | The H100 series has line in and line out and optical in and optical out and internal mike all built in without needing a subpack. If you want to do recording it has the most inputs/outputs etc |
| 19:02:19 | Robin0800 | EnterUserName,only a link in that forum section |
| 19:02:29 | BigBambi | EnterUserName: Only if you want to |
| 19:02:37 | BigBambi | Many people build and don't publish |
| 19:02:57 | BigBambi | If you plan to do it on a regular basis and think people will appreciate it, sure go ahead |
| 19:03:01 | EnterUserName | So I'd have to place the build on my own server and people download it from my server? |
| 19:03:25 | BigBambi | Youl'd have to put it somewhere accessible, yes |
| 19:03:40 | EnterUserName | ok thank u |
| 19:03:47 | BigBambi | no probs |
| 19:04:12 | EnterUserName | Its alot of work to make your own builds though especially if the patches dont match up :) |
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| 19:05:35 | Robin0800 | EnterUserName,its hard to keep them up to date as the rockbox code chanes/improves |
| 19:06:21 | EnterUserName | Robin0800: I understand the reason :) |
| 19:06:36 | EnterUserName | And its not hard to find the rejects. Just time consuming :) |
| 19:07:50 | Robin0800 | EnterUserName,and by that time perhaps it's changed again |
| 19:08:41 | EnterUserName | Yup. I get it. Cuz people constantly commiting changes cuz your working on svn. |
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| 19:58:01 | Chairman_Wow | Anyone know what's the current situation with nano 2nd gen? I know it's not officially supported but are there any hacks to get it working? |
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| 20:03:13 | Nico_P | Chairman_Wow: there has been no breakthrough |
| 20:03:50 | Chairman_Wow | Nico_P: Ah well, you can't have everything thanks for the info. |
| 20:03:53 | advcomp2019 | did someone say my name |
| 20:04:16 | Chairman_Wow | If they did it was a bit of a mouthful. |
| 20:05:25 | advcomp2019 | <pixelma> advcomp2019, I believe. (and scorche) <Jdgordon> advcomp2019: you round? <−− it was back a little bit |
| 20:06:25 | advcomp2019 | back later tho |
| 20:07:00 | Chairman_Wow | Oh, sorry advcomp2019, I thought you were joking about the "say my name bit". Nico_P: thanks for the reply. |
| 20:07:18 | Nico_P | Chairman_Wow: you're welcome |
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| 20:23:06 | advcomp2019 | you asked for me earlier |
| 20:23:14 | advcomp2019 | pixelma |
| 20:24:04 | pixelma | I just wanted to mention you as JdGordon was looking for an e200r owner |
| 20:24:29 | advcomp2019 | o ok |
| 20:25:09 | pixelma | hope I remembered correctly that you have one |
| 20:25:30 | advcomp2019 | yea i have an e200r |
| 20:27:05 | pixelma | maybe you can answer him per mail, see http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-09/0012.shtml - or if he's around later |
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| 20:32:45 | advcomp2019 | i might talk to him later plus i am going to be busy for a while pixelma |
| 20:32:53 | Agm3nt | how to build bootloader for c200? |
| 20:33:22 | linuxstb | Have you set up a Rockbox development environment? |
| 20:33:32 | Agm3nt | yes |
| 20:33:43 | linuxstb | And you've checked out the source code from SVN? |
| 20:34:09 | Agm3nt | i have subversion |
| 20:34:24 | linuxstb | Then see the UsingSVN wiki page and download the Rockbox source. |
| 20:34:38 | EnterUserName | I dont think it shows how to find the bootloader there.. |
| 20:34:43 | Agm3nt | I build rockbox.zip |
| 20:34:45 | EnterUserName | just the rockbox.zip |
| 20:34:56 | Agm3nt | yes |
| 20:35:06 | linuxstb | It's all the same source - I haven't got to the bootloader stage yet.... |
| 20:35:19 | linuxstb | Agm3nt: So you have the source on your computer? |
| 20:35:22 | EnterUserName | Ya where does it put the sanspatcher? |
| 20:35:41 | Agm3nt | yes i have source |
| 20:35:57 | linuxstb | Then create a new build directory (e.g. mkdir build-boot) and then cd into it. |
| 20:36:21 | linuxstb | Then you run ../tools/configure, select the c200, then b for bootloader, then "make" |
| 20:36:29 | EnterUserName | ahh |
| 20:36:38 | linuxstb | That should give you a .mi4 file you can install on your c200. |
| 20:37:03 | linuxstb | (assuming low_light has checked all the required changes into SVN - I haven't been following his commits) |
| 20:38:37 | EnterUserName | i get a bootloader.bin |
| 20:38:57 | linuxstb | amiconn, jhMikeS: I don't know if you've noticed, but the IPL PP5020 wiki page was updated a couple of weeks ago with some new info. |
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| 20:41:45 | DarkSKall | hello |
| 20:41:58 | DarkSKall | can someone help me with my gigabeat? |
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| 20:42:32 | linuxstb | DarkSKall: Ask your question - no-one knows yet if they can help... |
| 20:42:36 | Agm3nt | linuxstb: i copy firmware.mi4 but it not upgrade |
| 20:42:55 | linuxstb | Agm3nt: The expert's just arrived... |
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| 20:43:33 | DarkSKall | My gigabeat shows the error 0000010 when i power on , i had rockbox on it ,the last thing i did was charging the battery |
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| 20:43:50 | low_light | with the c200 you need to to build and install the Normal build first (so you can use the orig firmware's usb) |
| 20:43:52 | DarkSKall | i tried the surgery solution but the hard drive does not show up |
| 20:44:39 | low_light | then build the rockbox bootloader (firmware.mi4) |
| 20:45:41 | low_light | to install the rockbox bootloader, you use the recovery mode: device off, switch hold on, press and hold rec while inserting usb |
| 20:45:53 | advcomp2019 | tell Bagder i was going to do the same thing in the that forum that he posted in |
| 20:46:55 | low_light | copy the firmware.mi4 and disconnect. it should update. |
| 20:47:17 | low_light | I'll update the wiki when I get time. |
| 20:48:16 | linuxstb | low_light: I thought a normal firmware upgrade (on the E200) was just to copy it to the FAT32 partition in normal UMS mode? |
| 20:48:21 | low_light | The only way to get usb access to the device (to add music or update rockbox) is to put the orig firmware back |
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| 20:51:34 | DarkSKall | Nobody can help me? |
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| 20:52:23 | low_light | linuxstb: on the H10 and mrobe the OF is in the System directory so you can copy it directly...not so on the c200...I don't know about the e200 |
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| 20:52:41 | eigma | from what I've seen, there are two types of USB support in devices: dedicated hardware (firmware just flips a switch and suddenly the HDD is handed over to some kind of USB MSD controller) and software (the firmware bridges between the HDD and the USB MSD standard). which does Rockbox support, and how well? |
| 20:53:08 | eigma | I suppose the former is trivial to support once you know where the switch is. |
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| 20:53:38 | linuxstb | low_light: Have you seen this thread (especially the last post on this page) ? http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=c200&message.id=546 |
| 20:54:03 | HeNry2kOo | has anything having trouble with dual booting with their E200R? |
| 20:54:09 | HeNry2kOo | *anyone |
| 20:54:43 | Agm3nt | low_light: not work http://pastebin.ca/684392 |
| 20:55:07 | linuxstb | eigma: You're right - the devices Rockbox supports have both kinds of USB. The hardware USB is well-supported and works perfectly. Software USB doesn't work at all (but is in development). |
| 20:55:50 | eigma | linuxstb: I see. thanks. |
| 20:56:49 | linuxstb | Where Rockbox doesn't have USB connectivity, you need to use the original firmware. On some devices (e.g. ipods), Rockbox detects a USB connection and automatically starts the disk mode of the original firmware. On others you have to start the OF manually. |
| 20:57:18 | eigma | I see. that's still a nice fallback (automatically starting the firmware) |
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| 20:59:54 | HeNry2kOo | anyone here with a rockboxed E200R? |
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| 21:00:49 | low_light | Agm3nt: firmware.mi4...that's the rockbox bootloader |
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| 21:03:32 | Agm3nt | low_light: i put it but it not upgade in screen i see LUN0 locked |
| 21:03:56 | linuxstb | HeNry2kOo: What kind of problems are you having booting the OF? Has it ever worked? |
| 21:04:11 | low_light | Agm3nt: unmount & disconnect |
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| 21:08:40 | Agm3nt | low_light: Can't load rockbox.mi4. File too big |
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| 21:14:26 | delYsid | hmm, on my e280, I just selected recording from the menu, and now it hangs there and I can not stop it anymore. |
| 21:14:39 | delYsid | Any hints? Pressing the off button for long doesnt help at all |
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| 21:15:46 | pixelma | thought holding the power button for about 10 (maybe a bit more) seconds would always turn the Sansa off |
| 21:16:15 | delYsid | ah, thanks. |
| 21:16:22 | delYsid | I didnt know about the 10 seconds. |
| 21:16:39 | delYsid | so recording is broken? |
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| 21:19:12 | low_light | Agm3nt: what's the mi4 size displayed on the screen? |
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| 21:20:15 | Agm3nt | low_light: its 38167449 |
| 21:20:37 | pixelma | delYsid: I don't have a Sansa, on my player (M5) it works fine |
| 21:21:27 | low_light | Agm3nt: and what's the size of rockbox.mi4 |
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| 21:22:11 | Agm3nt | low_light: its mi4 size |
| 21:24:12 | low_light | Agm3nt: I'm confused...the rockbox.mi4 file should be about 400 kB |
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| 21:25:04 | Agm3nt | low_light: in rockbox.zip have 411 KB |
| 21:27:24 | Agm3nt | low_light: to restore to OF copy only firmware.mi4?? |
| 21:27:34 | low_light | Let's review...you booted the orig sansa firmware, unzip rockbox.zip onto the device, turned off the device, restarted in recovery mode (hold+rec+usb), copied the rockbox firmware.mi4, and disconnected |
| 21:27:56 | Agm3nt | low_light: right |
| 21:28:35 | Agm3nt | low_light: yes |
| 21:29:25 | low_light | yes, go back to recovery mode and copy over the orig firmware.mi4 |
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| 21:30:50 | Agm3nt | how to unpack *.7z file in linux?? |
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| 21:31:24 | bluebrother | using "7z" |
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| 21:31:28 | low_light | you need p7zip |
| 21:31:45 | bluebrother | 7z x archive.7z |
| 21:32:04 | Agm3nt | thanks |
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| 21:38:42 | amiconn | linuxstb: The exception vector remapping sounds interesting. It could make ram remapping superfluous |
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| 21:40:12 | linuxstb | courtc made the wiki changes (he's lurking here now...) |
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| 21:40:52 | amiconn | The cpu controller stuff extends on what jhMikeS figured out |
| 21:47:29 | bluebrother | Llorean: when I browse to a thread in the forums that has the "new" icon attached, is it possible to directly jump to the new posts? |
| 21:48:30 | pixelma | click on the "new" icon? |
| 21:48:38 | bluebrother | oh, does that work? |
| 21:48:48 | pixelma | works here |
| 21:48:52 | bluebrother | ah, cool :) |
| 21:48:55 | bluebrother | thanks |
| 21:49:09 | * | Agm3nt have works rockbox on c200 |
| 21:50:06 | preglow | exception vector remap? |
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| 21:50:26 | DarkSkall | Hello |
| 21:50:33 | chrisjs169 | Hello |
| 21:53:43 | DarkSkall | I got a problem with my gigabeat , error 10 , I tried the surgery solution ,but it doesnt work at all ,someone know how to solve this? |
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| 22:10:06 | Llorean | jhMikeS, Bagder: You guys around? |
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| 22:18:44 | BobShield | Quick question - been going through list archives but haven't found anything recent - does rockbox support wma? |
| 22:18:52 | linuxstb_ | Yes |
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| 22:26:37 | MyAdler | Is it normal that whenever i plug in my iriver to the usb on my computer and turn it on it tells me that "one of the usb devices on this computer has malfunctioned"? |
| 22:27:04 | DefineByte | i get that on my ipod sometimes |
| 22:27:07 | linuxstb_ | Which iriver? |
| 22:27:14 | DefineByte | when i haven't booted first |
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| 22:27:24 | MyAdler | h10..... |
| 22:27:33 | MyAdler | 20gig |
| 22:27:38 | MyAdler | blue... |
| 22:27:58 | linuxstb_ | Yes, there is a known problem (on lots of targets) when booting with the USB cable attached. |
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| 22:28:36 | MyAdler | i dont think it ever recognises it.....no matter when i connect.... |
| 22:28:55 | linuxstb_ | Are you holding the required button (I forget what, maybe power) when inserting USB? |
| 22:29:21 | MyAdler | maybe not......anyone know what that button may be? |
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| 22:30:03 | linuxstb_ | The manual should describe it. (I hope...) |
| 22:30:21 | MyAdler | ill go take a look... |
| 22:31:29 | delYsid | am I right that the .talk and _dirname.talk generation does only work with vbs currently? |
| 22:34:31 | * | n1s thinks it's interesting that most threads requesting some weird UI feature get so heated once someone comes with an argument against adding it... |
| 22:35:30 | bluebrother | delYsid: Rockbox Utility can create .talk-clips |
| 22:35:40 | bluebrother | though I neither implemented nor tested it ... |
| 22:35:44 | MyAdler | i cant find anything to do with connecting the player to usb.... besides for when it explains how to install rockbox... |
| 22:35:58 | delYsid | bluebrother: thats the qt thing, right? |
| 22:36:06 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 22:36:17 | delYsid | hmm, sad, so I cant use that either. |
| 22:36:29 | delYsid | will have to write my own script then |
| 22:36:37 | Llorean | delYsid: Your computer can't run it, or the accessibility features in QT don't meet your standards? |
| 22:37:00 | delYsid | Llorean: on linux (which is what I use) Qt is not accessible at all, so I cant use it... |
| 22:37:33 | Llorean | delYsid: QT4 certainly claims to be, at least |
| 22:37:34 | n1s | MyAdler: is your h10 a MTP version? |
| 22:37:47 | delYsid | Llorean: it claims to, thats the problem. |
| 22:37:57 | MyAdler | youre gonna have to tell me how should know that....? |
| 22:38:13 | Llorean | delYsid: Well, are you saying the functionality doesn't work at all? |
| 22:38:17 | Llorean | It just does nothing? |
| 22:38:27 | delYsid | Llorean: correct. |
| 22:38:41 | bluebrother | well, some of the kde guys seem to work on a Qt-ATK bridge |
| 22:39:09 | n1s | MyAdler: did you have to do the UMS trick to install rockbox |
| 22:39:14 | delYsid | bluebrother: I am very involved with the accessibility stack on linux, I know it will at least take 6 months or more. |
| 22:39:18 | MyAdler | yes i do |
| 22:39:19 | Llorean | delYsid: I seem to recall people having some success with it, so I'm tempted to think it's more likely something not configured properly. Have you gone to QT support channels and sought more information on this? |
| 22:39:26 | bluebrother | unfortunately that web page seems to be down. |
| 22:39:32 | delYsid | they are discussing this since *years* and nothing usable emerged yet. |
| 22:39:41 | bluebrother | ah. And what's the current status? |
| 22:39:53 | bluebrother | is there any web site giving an overview? |
| 22:40:10 | delYsid | Llorean: please believe me, it does not work. I am really quite involved with a11y on linux. |
| 22:40:50 | delYsid | bluebrother: the AT-SPI/ATK uses corba, and Qt/KDE does not want to use this, that is the status since about 3 years now. |
| 22:40:52 | Llorean | delYsid: Well that's the thing, I've heard people claim it's worked for them. |
| 22:40:56 | delYsid | but they keep claiming they support it. |
| 22:41:04 | Llorean | delYsid: So claiming that it is completely unfunctioning seems to be going a bit too far, to me. |
| 22:41:16 | bluebrother | I googled around a bit the last days and as far as I found Qt wants to use dbus. |
| 22:41:17 | n1s | MyAdler: then you should hold down a button when connecting the USB while in rockbox, I guess it's the select button |
| 22:41:18 | Llorean | delYsid: Or are you saying "It doesn't function with my system"? |
| 22:42:12 | delYsid | Llorean: no, the problem is Qt implements an API since Qt4, but there is no screen reader (a program that can use the API) yet. |
| 22:42:18 | delYsid | so it is effectively not working at all. |
| 22:42:46 | delYsid | just believe me, I really know what I am talking here. |
| 22:43:03 | delYsid | anyway, I'll write myself a script that does it. |
| 22:43:08 | Bagder | on linux that is |
| 22:43:19 | Bagder | since clearly it speaks on windows |
| 22:43:39 | bluebrother | you might want to look into adding the command line interface to rbutil ;-) |
| 22:43:42 | Bagder | just wanted to clarify |
| 22:43:48 | delYsid | well, maybe, I dont use windows. |
| 22:44:00 | bluebrother | which is somewhat planned but needs quite some work |
| 22:44:06 | Bagder | still, saying "qt4 isn't accessible" isn't completely true |
| 22:44:22 | Bagder | since it is qt4 on linux that has the problems |
| 22:44:24 | delYsid | Bagder: you sound like a trolltech guy :-) |
| 22:44:44 | MyAdler | great thanx, seems to have worked |
| 22:44:45 | Llorean | delYsid: My googling suggests at least Orca claims to support AT-SPI? |
| 22:44:45 | Bagder | I consider the fact that many people don't use linux |
| 22:44:59 | delYsid | Bagder: that, doesnt help me :-) |
| 22:45:05 | Bagder | indeed not |
| 22:45:10 | Bagder | I just clarify your statements |
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| 22:46:00 | delYsid | Llorean: yes, Orca supports AT-SPI, but Qt has no bridge to AT-SPI yet |
| 22:46:32 | Llorean | delYsid: QT4 claims to. Is the documentation incorrect? |
| 22:46:44 | delYsid | Llorean: yes, the documentation is incorrect. |
| 22:46:50 | bluebrother | by what means? |
| 22:46:56 | delYsid | I was baffled as well when I read that. |
| 22:46:59 | delYsid | its just a lie |
| 22:47:05 | bluebrother | I read about two different approaches AT-SPI |
| 22:47:13 | delYsid | if you ask the KDE people, they will confirm it, but they will be reluctant about it :-) |
| 22:47:45 | delYsid | anyway, thanks for your info. |
| 22:47:51 | Llorean | delYsid: What about Gnome people? |
| 22:48:07 | delYsid | Llorean: GTK2 is accessible via orca since about 2 years now. |
| 22:48:26 | delYsid | GTK2, openoffice and java use AT-SPI |
| 22:48:43 | delYsid | but Qt does not want to use CORBA, so they implemented an API without a bridge to anything on linux. |
| 22:48:57 | bluebrother | so what is Qt using? The docs claim it's AT-SPI |
| 22:49:11 | delYsid | bluebrother: yes, I know, and that is false!!! |
| 22:49:30 | bluebrother | but what are they using if it's not AT-SPI? |
| 22:49:39 | delYsid | nothing :-) |
| 22:49:40 | bluebrother | I read about two approaches at AT-SPI ... |
| 22:49:52 | delYsid | its a really crazy situation |
| 22:49:54 | bluebrother | well, there is code around so it needs to be at least more than nothing. |
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| 22:50:23 | delYsid | well, the API is there, but it doesnt go anywhere. |
| 22:50:40 | delYsid | I guess they claim compatibility because they want to have some positive PR, dunno, really. |
| 22:51:04 | delYsid | I was confused as well when I read the QT4 a11y docs. |
| 22:51:34 | delYsid | but the guys working on it confirmed to me that it isnt there yet. |
| 22:51:55 | delYsid | I actually know them, I am involved in a11y development on linux, going to conferences and all that. |
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| 22:52:13 | bluebrother | and how's the state with KDE4? |
| 22:52:34 | bluebrother | I read they want to have it accessible at least. |
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| 22:53:13 | delYsid | wanting is not the same as doing.... |
| 22:53:23 | delYsid | gnome has its act together since several years now. |
| 22:53:27 | delYsid | and KDE is only claiming stuff. |
| 22:53:38 | bluebrother | that doesn't imply they have something working in their current development tree. |
| 22:53:39 | delYsid | believe me, I rely on accessibility to actually work with my computer. |
| 22:54:20 | Bagder | delYsid: we believe you, we just try to get some further info from you than the repeated "it doesn't work" mantra |
| 22:54:26 | delYsid | anyway, gotta get some sleep. |
| 22:54:26 | bluebrother | ... and you really sound pretty much frustrated about kde / qt in terms of accessibility |
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| 22:54:38 | delYsid | bluebrother: yes, I am. |
| 22:54:45 | bluebrother | and only telling us that "it doesn't work" doesn't help clarifying the situation nor improving it |
| 22:54:46 | Llorean | bluebrother: Is our RBUtil compiled with accessibility functions (or non-working ones) enabled? |
| 22:54:55 | bluebrother | Llorean: yes, at least on windows. |
| 22:55:26 | Llorean | bluebrother: I'm just curious if "doesn't work" means "extremely limited" or "nothing at all" or "error messages" or what. |
| 22:55:44 | Llorean | Which means a linux test. |
| 22:55:55 | delYsid | Llorean: on linux, currently, "nothing at all", at least from an end-user perspective. |
| 22:56:13 | bluebrother | I haven't done test on linux, but information about screen readers on linux are really hard to find. |
| 22:56:26 | bluebrother | at least if you're not familiar with that "scene" |
| 22:56:37 | delYsid | there is only orca really on linux |
| 22:56:51 | delYsid | and I know that code, I patched it in the past, and there is no Qt support at all in orca. |
| 22:57:06 | Llorean | bluebrother: I was just curious if the functionality is "enabled" in the linux binary on the wiki page |
| 22:57:19 | delYsid | and as long as Qt provides no AT-SPI bridge, that means nothing works. |
| 22:57:32 | bluebrother | Llorean: the functionality is provided by a Qt plugin which needs to be compiled in when build statically. |
| 22:57:48 | delYsid | Llorean: ideally, an app should not have to care, the accessibility part is enabled in the toolkit, not app-specific |
| 22:57:52 | bluebrother | I had the impression that there's something fishy about this on the linux binary but I haven't investigated yet. |
| 22:57:58 | * | bluebrother found an interesting web page: http://labs.trolltech.com/page/Projects/Accessibility/QDBusBridge |
| 22:58:02 | Llorean | delYsid: Yes, but we provide a static binary I think |
| 22:58:26 | delYsid | Llorean: i see. |
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| 22:58:37 | delYsid | bluebrother: dbus, yes, but there is no screen reader for dbus yet. |
| 22:59:09 | delYsid | anyway, bye... and thanks. |
| 22:59:10 | bluebrother | well, fine. I'm currently trying to find out what's available at all |
| 22:59:12 | Llorean | bluebrother: Something fishy about the linux version? Also how would I know if the plugin has been compiled in? |
| 22:59:46 | bluebrother | and it seems like there is no general overview or good start point around. Or nobody is willing to point me to it. Dunno. |
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| 23:00:19 | bluebrother | Llorean: if the plugin isn't compiled in it won't be accessible. Users not interested in that wouldn't notice a difference. |
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| 23:03:45 | bluebrother | hmm, interesting: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/library/cvs-api/kdelibs-apidocs/interfaces/kspeech/html/index.html |
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| 23:06:06 | Llorean | As I said, I'm almost positive I've had someone tell me they had a QT program speaking, though I don't know what hoops they may have gone through |
| 23:06:36 | bluebrother | maybe I should go and compile KDE4. After reading some pages it really looks like they have something working. |
| 23:08:26 | Llorean | Orca seems a bit unstable here. |
| 23:08:53 | Llorean | But then I've been having some weird instability with anything GTK+ right now |
| 23:09:05 | bluebrother | it was heavily unstable when I tried it some days ago. Frequent crashes after closing a gtk application |
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| 23:09:34 | Llorean | That's what I get. |
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| 23:10:30 | Llorean | Doing Google research, every time I see QT4 being problematic for accessibility it's under KDE. |
| 23:11:26 | bluebrother | well, KDE3 doesn't have support for screen readers and KDE4 isn't released yet |
| 23:11:35 | billytwowilly | any devs in the Edmonton/Alberta/Canada area? If so, interested in spending a bit of non warranty voiding quality time with my new ipod nano once it arrives/ |
| 23:12:11 | Llorean | billytwowilly: Installing Rockbox is warranty voiding... |
| 23:12:38 | billytwowilly | I was thinking trying to get some info out of it to see how hard a rockbox port would be. |
| 23:12:48 | MyAdler | how would anyone know that rockbox was installed.... |
| 23:12:52 | billytwowilly | not actually installing rockbox. |
| 23:13:30 | bluebrother | reading through list archives with loads of top-posts isn't fun :/ |
| 23:14:01 | Llorean | billytwowilly: Well any useful information requires opening it up, again warranty voiding. |
| 23:15:20 | billytwowilly | heh. then no dice. Oh well, I tried. |
| 23:15:32 | Bagder | and of course checking the firmware upgrade files |
| 23:15:36 | Bagder | etc |
| 23:16:10 | bluebrother | Llorean: also quite interesting in terms of at-spi: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/accessibility/orca-dbus/README?revision=588808&view=markup |
| 23:17:56 | Llorean | bluebrother: That's also a year old. =/ Doesn't look very good. |
| 23:18:22 | bluebrother | well, it's in the playgound of kde. Maybe they moved on ... |
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| 23:29:54 | bluebrother | http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/AT-SPI_on_D-Bus |
| 23:30:21 | bluebrother | sounds to me like there is just a big change underway and that hinders KDE / Qt from supporting the existing techniques. |
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| 23:33:04 | einhirn | Good evening. I finally made it back to do some coding. |
| 23:33:37 | Llorean | bluebrother: It does sound to me that Qt isn't *really* the culprit though. Not in the strictest sense. |
| 23:35:18 | bluebrother | I agree. |
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