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| 00:05:27 | maxkelley | does the flipit plugin compile? it doesn't for me. |
| 00:06:13 | amiconn | The build table shows that it does |
| 00:07:02 | maxkelley | I'm missing dependency files for it, flipit_cursor.h and flipit_tokens.h |
| 00:07:21 | maxkelley | and I don't see them when browsing svn, either. |
| 00:08:07 | amiconn | Those files are generated when building bitmaps |
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| 00:08:51 | sofianbabai | hello all! |
| 00:08:56 | amiconn | A plain 'make' of latest svn does definitely work |
| 00:09:34 | sofianbabai | are there some sansa guru in here ? :) |
| 00:09:43 | maxkelley | sofianbabai: what sansa? |
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| 00:09:57 | maxkelley | amiconn: I figured.. I'm just wondering as to why those files would have disappeared. |
| 00:10:33 | sofianbabai | sansa e200 : just wanted to know if htere is a reset button on this one. i got problems to get it recognized by my xp box :) |
| 00:10:35 | Llorean | maxkelley: They don't "disappear"... They just don't "appear" until you run the plain make. |
| 00:10:58 | maxkelley | so, I need to build the normal portion before building a uisim? |
| 00:11:17 | Llorean | If you make a sim as per the normal instructions, they should be generated. |
| 00:11:52 | maxkelley | I'm building UIsim right now, and it fails at "no rule to make target flipit_cursor.h" |
| 00:12:02 | maxkelley | this uisim is for the c200. |
| 00:12:25 | amiconn | Plugins don't compile for c200 right now |
| 00:12:26 | sofianbabai | a reset button or something allowing me to get my usb back lol |
| 00:12:44 | Llorean | maxkelley: Ah, as amiconn said, the c200 isn't really "done" yet. |
| 00:12:46 | maxkelley | amiconn: I know, I'm working on making them. I'm adding the proper keymaps for all of them. |
| 00:13:01 | maxkelley | I talked to lowlight about it, and he told me to do so. |
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| 00:13:15 | maxkelley | sofianbabai: reboot into the original firmware for us. |
| 00:13:16 | maxkelley | *usb. |
| 00:13:28 | maxkelley | take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2007-09/0067.shtml |
| 00:13:28 | amiconn | Then you need to make the necessary bitmaps and enable them in th erespective SOURCES files as well |
| 00:13:36 | maxkelley | ah, ok. |
| 00:13:38 | amiconn | After that the related .h files will appear |
| 00:14:00 | sofianbabai | but the unit seems to be freezed :( |
| 00:14:11 | Llorean | sofianbabai: Hold the power button for 15-20 seconds |
| 00:14:15 | sofianbabai | ok |
| 00:14:20 | sofianbabai | i'll try that |
| 00:15:25 | sofianbabai | it's fine ! thx ! |
| 00:16:25 | sofianbabai | and a last question: is there someone here who have built sapi4 voicefile with success for a sansa player or any other |
| 00:16:41 | sofianbabai | i'm trying to do that under cygwin and i have some problmes :) |
| 00:16:47 | sofianbabai | problems* |
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| 00:22:11 | amiconn | sofianbabai: What kind of problems? |
| 00:22:28 | amiconn | SAPI4 takes ages, but apart from that it should work |
| 00:22:30 | sofianbabai | ok for sapi 4 we'll see |
| 00:23:39 | sofianbabai | but another one lol: is there a way to convert the charset of a lang file under cygwin ... some kind of command. the voice file i'm building is in french and the utf-8 chars are really bad pronounced obbiously |
| 00:23:41 | amiconn | SAPI5 works far far better |
| 00:24:16 | sofianbabai | your right amiconn but many blind users like me prefer the eloquence voice |
| 00:24:17 | amiconn | Are you using the latest scripts from svn? |
| 00:24:41 | sofianbabai | yes i'm using the lastes script |
| 00:25:19 | amiconn | Then utf-8 shouldn't be a problem. The only problem I could imagine is that the problematic strings are *not* proper utf-8 |
| 00:25:39 | sofianbabai | i can convert my charset using windows but i would like to automate the process |
| 00:26:06 | amiconn | You shouldn't convert the charset. The voice build system needs utf-8 now |
| 00:27:20 | sofianbabai | amicon: ho my I don't know how to do that. the bad pronounced string are things like é ê etc |
| 00:28:32 | amiconn | All .lang files are utf-8, and the voice build needs utf-8. It should work with no extra steps |
| 00:28:55 | sofianbabai | don't you have a few minutes to look a the francais.lang file ? |
| 00:29:05 | amiconn | If there is a problem, it's either due to a mistake in the .lang file, or due to a pronunciation problem in the tts engine |
| 00:29:20 | sofianbabai | sory i'm newbie just tring to help french users to have a new voice file lol :) |
| 00:29:24 | dionoea | looks like valid utf-8 here |
| 00:29:50 | dionoea | do you have an example string which doesn't work well for you? (so i can check if it's using non utf-8 chars) |
| 00:30:09 | amiconn | Pronunciation problems aren't uncommon; take a look at the at&t enigne specific replacement list in voice.pl |
| 00:30:18 | amiconn | (I mean for german) |
| 00:31:30 | sofianbabai | difficult to give you an example since i can hear the mistake only in the voice file |
| 00:32:04 | sofianbabai | but it seems that the accentuated letters have problems and we have many of those damn things in french :) |
| 00:32:26 | dionoea | and they all look ok :) (at least up to 15% of the francais.lang file) |
| 00:32:51 | amiconn | German also has such letters (the umlauts), and they work fine after I added the conversion from utf-8 |
| 00:33:17 | sofianbabai | when i was generating my voice file under windows, i had to convert the charset first ... really don't know where the problems comes from |
| 00:33:23 | amiconn | Perhaps I should try to actually build a german voice with sapi4 and compare (the at&t voices are both sapi5 and sapi4) |
| 00:34:03 | sofianbabai | amikonn: my sapi 4 script is not working proprerly :( sory |
| 00:34:07 | amiconn | sofianbabai: I really don't understand where you have to convert the charset. The .lang files are utf-8, and the voice build needs utf-8 |
| 00:34:40 | amiconn | If you convert the .lang to something else, it will of course produce wrong results for accented letters |
| 00:35:27 | sofianbabai | really dunno amikonn but when i have coverted my lang file to iso 8859 when i was building my voices files under windows the problem disappears |
| 00:36:01 | amiconn | Are you talking about the old scripts in the wiki? |
| 00:36:18 | sofianbabai | yes i was generating with the old script on the wiki |
| 00:36:32 | amiconn | Those needed conversion to iso 8859-1. But voices built with those scripts won't work anymore |
| 00:37:08 | sofianbabai | gosh! so what do i have to do :) i'm lost |
| 00:37:11 | amiconn | The new systems is just svn checkout, configure for voice build, 'make voice'. Nothing else. |
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| 00:37:44 | sofianbabai | i've tried with two tts engines acapela and scansoft, same result |
| 00:38:25 | amiconn | The old scripts in the wiki should be deleted |
| 00:38:39 | sofianbabai | amiconn: yes for that, it's ultra simple to use no problems |
| 00:39:28 | sofianbabai | right now, i don't use the old script anymore, only cygwin |
| 00:41:13 | sofianbabai | i may try on another system so. it means more hours installing cygwin lol |
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| 00:44:52 | Noah0504 | Anyone home? |
| 00:45:21 | dionoea | yup |
| 00:46:34 | Noah0504 | So, I've been trying to figure out an easy way to keep music sycned between my iPod and my computer while running RockBox. Should I just use something like Banshee that will add music to the iTunes database? |
| 00:47:22 | amiconn | petur: The crash you observed - I guess that it happens on track change or when skipping... |
| 00:47:41 | petur | nope, at start of playback |
| 00:48:25 | amiconn | Then I have no explanation |
| 00:49:07 | amiconn | The crash on track change/skip is a known problem on 64 bit sims. Happens with all codecs if the next track uses the same track as the current one |
| 00:49:19 | amiconn | Erm, the same codec |
| 00:49:42 | petur | my cpu may be 64bit, my ubuntu is plain x86, no 64bit |
| 00:50:00 | petur | (insert 'but' in the middle) |
| 00:50:09 | amiconn | aha |
| 00:50:51 | amiconn | Somehow I overlooke dthat you run x86. But then I don't understand your remark either |
| 00:51:07 | amiconn | mp3 worked on 32 bit before, and also did after my commit |
| 00:51:48 | dionoea | Noah0504: rockbox doesn't use the iTunes database. |
| 00:51:50 | petur | Well it already crashed before your commit ;) |
| 00:51:51 | amiconn | Maybe jhMikeS' commit causes those problems - couldn't try this on 32 bit linux myself (only 64 bit linux and win32) |
| 00:52:07 | amiconn | Then you might have a problem with your sdl installation |
| 00:52:31 | petur | hmmmm I'm not a linux guru :/ |
| 00:52:48 | petur | can you force a re-install? |
| 00:53:01 | amiconn | Sound support on linux is a pita if you ask me |
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| 00:54:07 | dionoea | petur: what distro do you use ? apt based ? |
| 00:54:17 | petur | ubuntu |
| 00:54:28 | petur | so debian I guess |
| 00:54:34 | dionoea | then sudo apt-get install −−reinstall <the packages> should work |
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| 00:54:58 | amiconn | I don't think that a package is damaged |
| 00:55:04 | Noah0504 | dionoea: But it can read it by having the Rockbox database enabled. Other than that. I can't think of a good way to keep things synced. |
| 00:55:27 | amiconn | It's most probably a configuration issue (and that's the pita part) |
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| 00:56:30 | amiconn | petur: What sdl sound package do you use? |
| 00:56:47 | petur | where can I see? ;) |
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| 00:57:31 | DarkStylist | Guys is s1mp3 project dead? |
| 00:57:48 | amiconn | There are (on debian) libsdl1.2debian-alsa, libsdl1.2debian-arts, libsdl1.2debian-esd, libsdl1.2debian-nas and libsdl1.2debian-oss |
| 00:58:09 | amiconn | While alsa should be de-facto standard, only the -oss variant works for me |
| 00:58:09 | Llorean | DarkStylist: That'd be a good thing to ask the s1mp3 project... |
| 00:58:17 | webguest18 | hi i have a question i just got 2 new ipods the ipod touch and the ipod classic with 160GB is there a way to get rockbox on them?? |
| 00:58:20 | amiconn | (i.e. lets the sim play sound and not crash) |
| 00:58:40 | DarkStylist | yea they never posted a distro of their os |
| 00:58:42 | dionoea | webguest18: no |
| 00:58:45 | webguest18 | they are brand new i havent even opened them. |
| 00:58:49 | webguest18 | oh |
| 00:58:54 | dionoea | and there probably won't be for a long time |
| 00:58:55 | * | amiconn should perhaps try different variants again |
| 00:59:15 | webguest18 | will there ever be a way to put rockbox in them? |
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| 00:59:26 | DarkStylist | that s1mp3 mp4 players that hard? |
| 00:59:41 | petur | I seem to have the alsa one installed |
| 00:59:55 | dionoea | webguest18: since it's entirely new hardware (as far as i know) compared to previous versions .... i doubt that anyone can answer that question |
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| 01:00:14 | DarkStylist | who knows if there be a way the s1mp3 hardware is pretty alien |
| 01:00:19 | dionoea | new + undocumented hardware |
| 01:00:19 | webguest18 | oh ok thanks anyway |
| 01:00:33 | webguest18 | i have another question |
| 01:01:10 | webguest18 | i got rockbox on my ipod video 390GB about 2 months ago shoul i install it again |
| 01:01:12 | DarkStylist | unless someone dissasembles the s1mp3 firmware and makes sence for cpu parts |
| 01:01:15 | Steve132 | I am looking into writing a plugin...does anyone know how hard it would be to port a subset of libbz2 to rockbox? |
| 01:01:20 | webguest18 | i ment 30GB |
| 01:01:24 | webguest18 | sorry |
| 01:01:56 | amiconn | petur: Alsa should be default if the soundcard is handled by alsa. However, while my sound card *is* handled by alsa, the libsdl-alsa variant didn't work for me |
| 01:02:18 | amiconn | But -oss works because (iiuc) alsa emulates oss |
| 01:02:49 | dionoea | Steve132: depends on the memory requirements. zlib should be doable. Don't know about bz2. |
| 01:03:28 | petur | amiconn: do I need to recompile after swapping? I guess not... |
| 01:03:32 | dionoea | zlib has a very low memory footprint decoder (as an example in their source code) |
| 01:03:36 | amiconn | no |
| 01:04:14 | dionoea | most plugins only have 512 kB of memory available (someone correct me if i'm wrong) |
| 01:04:18 | petur | now it crashes even before it shows the peakmeters :( |
| 01:04:20 | amiconn | -esd crashes here |
| 01:04:54 | Llorean | dionoea: Not most. All, unless they steal the audio buffer (no music). Though the hwcodec players it's a different situation entirely (32k if I recall) |
| 01:05:37 | petur | amiconn: sim won't close too, how did you force close? |
| 01:06:05 | amiconn | You need to kill the process. I uses the gnome system monitor |
| 01:06:07 | Steve132 | dionoea: Has anyone done either one before? it would be nice to be able to link in a library if it is used elsewhere in the OS |
| 01:06:09 | amiconn | *used |
| 01:06:20 | dionoea | Steve132: not that i know. |
| 01:06:44 | petur | amiconn: got it... just like taskman on w32 |
| 01:06:49 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:07:13 | amiconn | Linux purists will say 'bah', but I don't care... |
| 01:07:37 | dionoea | Steve132: the small version of zlib i was thinking about is available in contrib/puff/ in the zlib source |
| 01:08:04 | Steve132 | ok...second question....the rockbox build system is really good, but non-standard...are there any good examples in the source of porting a library to the build system? |
| 01:08:10 | Steve132 | for use in a plugin? |
| 01:08:27 | dionoea | audio codecs maybe ... but they're not really plugins |
| 01:09:08 | Steve132 | hmm...ok |
| 01:09:10 | Steve132 | thanks :) |
| 01:09:14 | dionoea | this is the interesting sentence in the puff readme: "puff.c may also be useful in applications where code size or memory usage is a very limited resource, and speed is not as important." |
| 01:09:24 | dionoea | since it's one file only it shouldn't be too hard to port |
| 01:09:27 | Steve132 | oh yeah |
| 01:09:28 | Steve132 | wow |
| 01:09:31 | Steve132 | thats perfect |
| 01:09:36 | Steve132 | neato |
| 01:09:36 | Steve132 | thatnks |
| 01:09:38 | Steve132 | *thanks |
| 01:09:44 | dionoea | you're welcome. |
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| 01:18:23 | amiconn | petur: Looks like changing the sdl audio output flavour requires a reboot |
| 01:18:39 | petur | ah.. will do that |
| 01:18:46 | amiconn | Nasty thing... |
| 01:19:38 | amiconn | Perhaps it would suffice to restart some daemons... if I knew which ones... |
| 01:20:19 | petur | it's rebooting already... |
| 01:23:11 | amiconn | I need to use -oss and the esd disabled in gnome |
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| 01:23:47 | amiconn | All other combinations will either crash (-oss with esd running, -alsa), or not work properly (-esd with esd running) |
| 01:23:58 | * | ender` yawns |
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| 01:25:56 | petur | what's esd and how do you disable it? |
| 01:26:17 | ze | esound daemon |
| 01:26:31 | ze | enlightenment (and gnome?)'s sound mixer daemon |
| 01:27:06 | ze | and probably by running the esd or esound initscript with 'down' as the parameter (and removing it from your default runlevel or whatever, if youwant it not tos tart on next boot) |
| 01:27:18 | ze | alternatively just finding the running process and killing it |
| 01:27:53 | ze | of course there's probably some distro-specific means of removing it from your default startup |
| 01:28:04 | amiconn | There is an option in gnome to disable esd |
| 01:28:13 | petur | killed the esd process.. still crashes... |
| 01:28:18 | amiconn | System->Settings->Audio (?) |
| 01:28:34 | ze | petur: did it stay killed? |
| 01:28:52 | ze | gnome or your distro's init for it might make itrespawn orsomething |
| 01:28:53 | amiconn | It requires to restart gnome to take effect |
| 01:29:06 | ze | ah |
| 01:29:07 | * | petur gives up.. to much other work to do |
| 01:29:07 | ze | thats funky |
| 01:29:14 | amiconn | ze: And yes, esd is also gnome's sound daemon |
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| 01:30:49 | ze | now that dmix is configured by default, it'd seem logical for the desktop environments and such just to drop sound daemons and more tightly integrate with alsa directly |
| 01:30:59 | petur | well... if OS ever gets its act together linux might be ready for desktop in a few years... I'd rather have one working tool than 20 half-working ones + the choice... |
| 01:31:07 | ze | but that whole kindat hing is kindof a mess, but oh well far OT |
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| 01:31:24 | amiconn | ze: dmix? |
| 01:31:33 | ze | amiconn: alsa's built-in software mixing |
| 01:31:43 | amiconn | How would I configure that? |
| 01:31:49 | ze | or is it a plugin? either way, its standard |
| 01:31:57 | ze | amiconn: with recent versions of alsa, it's setup by default |
| 01:32:08 | amiconn | Aha, hmm |
| 01:32:13 | ze | just tell alsa apps to use the 'default' device, and they'll all get mixed automatically |
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| 01:32:31 | ze | unless you've changed your setup with asound.conf or asoundrc |
| 01:32:33 | * | amiconn is running debian/amd64 unstable |
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| 01:33:15 | ze | i think it started being setup by default as of alsa 1.0.9 or something likethat |
| 01:33:19 | maxkelley | I'm hungry.. |
| 01:33:39 | ze | afaict, its been in the last several versions |
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| 01:34:47 | ze | of course anything accessing hw:0 or plughw:0 directly will bypass the mixing 'default' device and hog it still |
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| 01:36:48 | kugel | hello |
| 01:37:02 | kugel | where do i find the svn activity of the last days? |
| 01:37:09 | kugel | i cant find it on the new site |
| 01:37:25 | petur | yes you can |
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| 01:37:54 | linuxstb | Are the "since 4 weeks" and "since august 2006" links somewhere? |
| 01:37:57 | petur | click 'subversion' |
| 01:38:18 | kugel | i did |
| 01:38:20 | petur | linuxstb: good spotting, they're gone |
| 01:38:24 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | rockbox is the shizzle |
| 01:38:54 | kugel | yes they are gone |
| 01:39:24 | kugel | there are just the last 10 changes listed, but nothing more |
| 01:39:50 | linuxstb | The page is still there - http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html |
| 01:39:56 | linuxstb | (it's just not linked to...) |
| 01:41:26 | kugel | can you fix thatß |
| 01:41:28 | kugel | ? |
| 01:41:37 | * | linuxstb just notices the front page also doesn't have the svn log messages... |
| 01:42:09 | linuxstb | kugel: Only Zagor, Bagder or LinusN can... |
| 01:42:18 | kugel | k |
| 01:43:14 | kugel | lets hope they do so |
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| 02:14:34 | Buschel | seems like I've managed to merge/adapt the sansa scrollwheel-acceleration to iPOD (at least tested on 5.5G) |
| 02:15:03 | Buschel | need to tweak the parameters now |
| 02:19:06 | Butsumetsu | wanted to ask something.... when it comes to applying a patch do I still need to rewrite a code or does the cygwin does that for me? |
| 02:20:41 | aliask | Butsumetsu: A patch is designed to automate the code-changing part |
| 02:20:54 | aliask | So you apply the patch, and compile the modified source |
| 02:23:04 | Butsumetsu | aahhh so actual coding knowledge is needed damn |
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| 02:23:49 | Butsumetsu | Im asking because im looking at the wiki and it looks simple enough |
| 02:24:56 | aliask | ... I just said that NO coding knowledge is required. |
| 02:25:22 | decayedcell | in the recent activity page http://www.rockbox.org/recent.shtml how do i check the last 4 weeks of commits to SVN |
| 02:26:33 | aliask | http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html |
| 02:27:30 | Butsumetsu | oh ok sorry misread that |
| 02:27:47 | Butsumetsu | thanks for the help |
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| 03:05:54 | * | DarkStylist tries to revive s1mp3 project |
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| 03:07:22 | floam | anyone know what main chip the new ipod classics are using yet? there's this (http://www.ifixit.com/Parts/stream/4/large/9-1.jpg) but I can't make it out |
| 03:07:24 | ByronFortescue | hello there |
| 03:09:01 | ByronFortescue | I was wondering, I would like to shuffle my whole 'library' on the iPod, one of the features of the original software on the iPod, how could I achieve this in rockbox? |
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| 03:09:52 | JdGordon | ByronFortescue: are you using the file browser or database? |
| 03:10:20 | ByronFortescue | database, but I think I already found it, just playing one of the tracks in the all tracks list, and then turning on the shuffle function |
| 03:10:29 | JdGordon | yep |
| 03:10:44 | JdGordon | or insert shuffled from the context menu of the "tracks" item in the db |
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| 03:12:37 | jbit | does anybody know how to get a 5.5g ipod to output some random stuff from its rs232 port? |
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| 03:12:58 | ByronFortescue | Is this a bug, or is something wrong with my settings, when I scroll trough a playlist, it goes well, but after a few cycles the scrolling slows down and I feel the disk spin? |
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| 03:15:29 | ByronFortescue | and is there anyway to get a playlist out of iTunes into rockbox? |
| 03:15:47 | ByronFortescue | to get = of getting (sorry, it's late around these parts of the world ^_^ _ |
| 03:15:50 | JdGordon | there may be a plugin on the tracker to do that... but i dont think so |
| 03:17:16 | ByronFortescue | ok cheers for that |
| 03:17:23 | Butsumetsu | there were a couple of threads on the forums that describes how to do that |
| 03:17:27 | ByronFortescue | and do you know anything about my previous question? |
| 03:17:59 | JdGordon | ByronFortescue: turn on dircache |
| 03:18:34 | ByronFortescue | dircache? How do I turn it on? ^_^ |
| 03:19:19 | Butsumetsu | you should look around in Settings |
| 03:19:20 | JdGordon | settings > generel > system > disk > dircache |
| 03:19:41 | ByronFortescue | awesome, cheers |
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| 03:23:05 | ByronFortescue | hmm |
| 03:23:52 | JdGordon | reboot to enable it |
| 03:24:03 | ByronFortescue | doesn't change that much really |
| 03:24:10 | ByronFortescue | or should I wait for it to be cached? |
| 03:24:30 | JdGordon | no, it shuold be "instant" |
| 03:24:47 | JdGordon | do your files have non-latin characters? |
| 03:25:09 | ByronFortescue | nope |
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| 03:25:58 | JdGordon | umm... then the disk access shouldnt be happning.. |
| 03:26:07 | ByronFortescue | well |
| 03:26:12 | ByronFortescue | I have no disk access this time |
| 03:26:22 | Butsumetsu | time to try patching >__> |
| 03:26:34 | ByronFortescue | but it still runs slow after I run my thumb down the clickwheel a couple of times |
| 03:26:45 | ByronFortescue | maybe it has something to do with my scrolling settings? |
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| 03:31:52 | ByronFortescue | btw, it only happens during playback |
| 03:37:26 | Butsumetsu | in regards to patching.... when cygwin is asking me which file to patch is it an indication i used the wrong -p#? |
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| 03:39:02 | DarkStylist | do you rockbox guys know why porting rockbox from s1mp3 project stopped? |
| 03:39:23 | JdGordon | I didnt know it started |
| 03:39:40 | DarkStylist | that was what they said long ago |
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| 03:40:22 | scorche` | "they"? |
| 03:40:35 | DarkStylist | im bringing back the concept trying convince them to modify rockbox to load s1mp3 native drivers dumped by some resource editor |
| 03:40:40 | DarkStylist | yes the devs |
| 03:40:47 | scorche` | what devs? |
| 03:41:20 | DarkStylist | #s1mp3 devs have to mail em since many of em are not in the channel |
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| 03:42:11 | ze | According to the THC Ministry, the references to cannabis as an ingredient of the holy anointing oil is actually from the Torah (Five Books of Moses), Exodus 30:23. The plant is called in Hebrew "kaneh bosem" (literally "fragrant cane"). Contrary to the translation of the Septuagint, and supported by both Aramaic translations (the Targum and the Peshita), this is identified as the cannabis plant. |
| 03:42:22 | ze | er woops |
| 03:42:23 | ze | wrong chan |
| 03:44:05 | DarkStylist | the s1mp3 os becomes larger all the time because chinese s1mp3osdevs compile 1 version over another that could be used to an advantage if the players could be listed and autoed as profiles |
| 03:44:22 | DarkStylist | with rockbox |
| 03:46:33 | DarkStylist | a rockbox using resources from s1mp3firmware in other words |
| 03:46:53 | DarkStylist | a more natural approach i presume |
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| 03:47:56 | DarkStylist | development begins on monday as i got a few intrested s1mp3 forum guys , anyone from rockbox intrested to give a hand? |
| 03:48:36 | DiceRy | Any aussies here ? Harvey Norman are clearing out X30 Toshiba gigabeats for $222 :D almost half retail price ;) (bought mine today to give rockbox a go) |
| 03:50:01 | Butsumetsu | has anyone got the wikipedia plugin working here? |
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| 04:45:42 | decayedcell | im ozzie DiceRy |
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| 04:58:18 | cendres | any of you have a scale and an empty beer bottle? |
| 04:58:29 | jbit | maybe |
| 04:58:58 | cendres | im going to put up signs to offer close to equal deposit value for broken glass, just to get it out of the grass and fields |
| 04:59:21 | cendres | i guess i should buy a scale |
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| 04:59:33 | chrisjs169 | JdGordon, same |
| 04:59:44 | Llorean | cendres: This is #Rockbox, please stay on topic. |
| 05:00 |
| 05:00:27 | cendres | Llorean: i understand, but this is an unusual thing im asking and no where to ask. google doesn't know weight, just volume |
| 05:00:31 | jbit | so after six hours of hardware hacking |
| 05:00:44 | jbit | i still have no working sio |
| 05:01:14 | jbit | gonna reverse something and write a program to output some char from the port over and over so i can get it working |
| 05:01:43 | Llorean | cendres: Just because you can't find another place to ask, doesn't mean you should ask here. I've never understood that train of logic, but people offer it as an excuse a lot. |
| 05:02:03 | cendres | i asked it in many channels, not just here |
| 05:02:10 | cendres | pls dont be upset |
| 05:02:45 | Llorean | In the future, why not just follow the guidelines then? |
| 05:03:14 | Butsumetsu | i actually have a question kinda relating to rockbox... |
| 05:04:01 | floam | so no idea yet what chip it is on the new ipod classic (or the nano? I'm betting they're the same) |
| 05:04:13 | Llorean | floam: I think they've narrowed it down to a sigmatel chip |
| 05:04:23 | Butsumetsu | im in the compiling process in applying a patch... after executing make i get a "command not found" for a arm-elf-gcc eventhough i selected it during the installation process |
| 05:04:32 | Butsumetsu | this is in cygwin btw |
| 05:05:21 | floam | interesting |
| 05:05:22 | floam | to a specific one? or to being "a sigmatel chip" |
| 05:05:34 | cendres | im not trying to spite the channel etiquette, but there is no channel for this question. i understand that you don't want this channel to turn into #dating or #politics, but i think some slack is fair |
| 05:05:47 | Llorean | floam: I think the model number's out there, but it's not terribly useful on its own |
| 05:05:49 | Butsumetsu | go to #rockbox-community then |
| 05:06:02 | floam | /join #freenode |
| 05:06:15 | floam | eerrr, I got some weird character stuck between my / |
| 05:06:43 | Llorean | cendres: And we think that this is an on-topic channel. "No channel for this question" is not an excuse to spam. I bet there's no channel for actual spam either. |
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| 05:07:01 | floam | Llorean: it's useful if I just want to read the datasheet and get an idea of how much (if any) more powerful this might be than what it replaces |
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| 05:07:37 | Llorean | cendres: This channel is logged for developers to search, if everyone decided that they could ask non-Rockbox questions so long as there wasn't another channel for them, the logs would quickly fill with useless fluff, so please just respect the rules as they're stated. |
| 05:08:03 | Llorean | floam: That's the thing, I believe there wasn't a datasheet found. |
| 05:08:09 | floam | oh |
| 05:08:28 | cendres | Llorean: okay, that makes sense |
| 05:08:38 | floam | well then that's not terribly useful :) |
| 05:08:47 | Llorean | cendres: The rules do exist for a reason, they aren't just because we're anal. ;) |
| 05:09:10 | Llorean | Besides, we at least offer a channel for off-topic stuff, if you'd read the topic... |
| 05:09:46 | cendres | :\ |
| 05:10:31 | cendres | you're right |
| 05:11:12 | chrisjs169 | success :D |
| 05:11:33 | chrisjs169 | JdGordon's modified e200tool works |
| 05:11:41 | Butsumetsu | damnit still getting errors during make process |
| 05:14:34 | krazykit | Butsumetsu, did you change your $PATH correctly? |
| 05:15:16 | Butsumetsu | i probably didnt but which instruction are you referring to? |
| 05:15:32 | Butsumetsu | is it the adding cross-compiler path? |
| 05:15:39 | krazykit | yeah |
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| 05:16:01 | Butsumetsu | kk ill give it a try thx |
| 05:16:12 | Butsumetsu | thanks* |
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| 05:30:07 | floam | yeah, these are totally both the same chip |
| 05:30:35 | floam | http://aarongyes.com/static/d/nanoandclassic.jpg |
| 05:30:47 | floam | nothing obvious to me identifying either as sigmatel, though |
| 05:31:40 | Llorean | I was thinking Samsung when I said Sigmatel. |
| 05:32:10 | Llorean | And I think it's more assumption that they're Samsung than testing |
| 05:32:25 | Llorean | Sigmatel is the shuffle, iirc. |
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| 07:57:21 | maxkelley | I wish plugins actually used the PLA_* keymappings. |
| 07:58:24 | maxkelley | Would make it a hell of a lot easier for me. |
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| 08:05:58 | amiconn | jhMikeS: You mean rockboy, not rockbox...? ;) |
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| 08:17:18 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Now there's the opposite effect on linux: The sim draws so little cpu power that buffering takes ages, and playback skips like hell ("sdl_audio_callback: No Data" every few seconds) |
| 08:17:37 | maxkelley | Heh. |
| 08:18:51 | jhMikeS | amiconn: say what? I test on VMWare and things go ok. I've nowhere to put a straight linux install. |
| 08:19:04 | amiconn | That's on 64 bit |
| 08:19:42 | jhMikeS | and I meant rockboy, indeed :) |
| 08:19:48 | amiconn | Closing the app works now though |
| 08:21:16 | jhMikeS | through a nasty fix...terminating threads on anything in that manner is rather iffy. |
| 08:21:38 | jhMikeS | did you watch the audiobuffer screen? |
| 08:21:46 | amiconn | no |
| 08:22:33 | amiconn | Gnome system monitor shows 0% cpu for that skipping sim btw |
| 08:23:39 | Llorean | Why is plugin use of the audiobuffer an all-or-nothing thing? |
| 08:25:52 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm, I can't check the audio debug screen. As soon as playback started, the ui is completely unresponsive |
| 08:25:54 | jhMikeS | amiconn: obviously SDL_Delay(0) works as thread yield like it should so that will need limiting |
| 08:26:10 | jhMikeS | will it ever finish buffering? |
| 08:26:14 | amiconn | yes |
| 08:26:21 | jhMikeS | and it's ok after that? |
| 08:26:29 | amiconn | It does (from what I can tell from the console output) |
| 08:26:31 | amiconn | nope |
| 08:27:24 | amiconn | It's only after buffering finished that it even starts to play - and then it skipis and skips and .. |
| 08:27:46 | amiconn | UI is unresponsive from the moment I select a file |
| 08:27:59 | jhMikeS | I suppose a counter could go back on the SDL_Delay call to find a good number. No reason to use 1. I also don't want to deny 100% utilization if needed. |
| 08:28:48 | amiconn | wps also doesn't update |
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| 08:30:35 | jhMikeS | I'll put the counter back in but with SDL_Delay(0) instead. It should be fine with VWWare and the like no matter. |
| 08:31:24 | amiconn | If I take out the SDL_Delay(0), it works again |
| 08:31:39 | maxkelley | meh. |
| 08:31:43 | jhMikeS | I thought it was starving other threads without it |
| 08:31:50 | maxkelley | yet another magical compiling error. |
| 08:32:12 | amiconn | No it doesn't. It did because of the peakmeters calling sleep(0), and sleep(0) wasn't behaving like on target |
| 08:32:48 | amiconn | It might though in another situation than playback |
| 08:33:18 | jhMikeS | SDL_CondWait(c, m, 0) probably doesn't give up remaining quantum |
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| 08:33:55 | amiconn | I.e. my sleep() fix commit fixed playback on linux/amd64 with peakmetered wps (no excessive start delay, and no 100% cpu load) |
| 08:34:29 | amiconn | CPU load was around 7% - same with your more accurate version now |
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| 08:35:14 | jhMikeS | So what's the op. about SDL_Delay? Take it out or use a counter to balance it? |
| 08:35:53 | jhMikeS | In switch_thread that is. |
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| 08:38:53 | amiconn | Hmm, and on VMware + linux/x86 I have the same skipping problem as on 64 bit... |
| 08:39:17 | amiconn | Disabling the SDL_Delay(0) helps there too |
| 08:41:21 | jhMikeS | so just dump it alltogether? |
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| 08:44:06 | jhMikeS | you're using a debian image, right? I don't know the fact I'm also using XP/VMWare+debian/x86 indicates anything. I just want to get this tuned back up asap. |
| 08:46:37 | amiconn | Yes, I'm using debian |
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| 08:49:03 | jhMikeS | amiconn: are you checking something out re: a counter for SDL_Delay(0) or anything? c'mon, help me out here :) |
| 08:49:58 | amiconn | No counter atm |
| 08:50:31 | amiconn | I'm trying to find out whether mpegplayer will work without the SDL_Delay(0) - but on 64 bit mpegplayer just loads the file and bails out |
| 08:51:07 | amiconn | On windows it draws 100% cpu power, but plays fine |
| 08:52:46 | jhMikeS | Isn't something not working with libmad on 64 bit? |
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| 08:53:33 | amiconn | Libmad is working now.... |
| 08:53:43 | amiconn | I fixed that yesterday |
| 08:54:21 | amiconn | http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html (7 Sep 23:45) |
| 08:54:45 | amiconn | And if that bug were still there, it would crash, not just bail out |
| 08:55:06 | jhMikeS | I'm worried that SDL_Delay(0) at all, ever will potentially starve other threads in the sim. |
| 08:58:05 | jhMikeS | oh, btw, which sim are you running? |
| 08:59:43 | amiconn | On linux/x86-vmware, mpegplayer works without the SDL_Delay(0), but it doesn't keep up |
| 08:59:51 | amiconn | H300 |
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| 09:02:38 | JdGordon | anyone have an idea how to put the e200r bootloader/installer into the build system? |
| 09:03:28 | amiconn | Isn't the bootloader the same as e200? |
| 09:03:55 | JdGordon | yes, but there is a installer "bootloader" which needs to be built before the boootloader can be run |
| 09:04:13 | JdGordon | it uses the code from the bootloader/ folder |
| 09:04:27 | jhMikeS | The e200 svn bootloader should probably be made available as "the bootloader" since there's that lcd fix. |
| 09:06:37 | amiconn | JdGordon: Do you have that on-target patcher working? |
| 09:06:42 | JdGordon | yes |
| 09:06:47 | * | jhMikeS wonders about the semaphore use and if perhaps that should just be pulled. it will cause more blocking than should really be there I think. |
| 09:09:46 | amiconn | nice :) |
| 09:10:05 | amiconn | Sansapatcher will handle the installation I presume? (in manufacturer mode) |
| 09:10:19 | JdGordon | im hoping to merge the sansapatcher code into the installer |
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| 09:11:30 | JdGordon | heres trouble.... |
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| 09:12:27 | ipodbootloader | s it possible to load the ipod firmware on default instead of rockbox and have rockbox as the one for the hold switch? |
| 09:13:25 | ipodbootloader | s it possible to load the ipod firmware on default instead of rockbox and have rockbox as the one for the hold switch? |
| 09:13:30 | ipodbootloader | arg |
| 09:13:35 | ipodbootloader | my bad on double post |
| 09:15:23 | nurn | I assum you would have to get the souce code for the boot loader and change the if statment around, then recomile it and install it. |
| 09:15:58 | scorche|ltop | nurn! |
| 09:16:36 | scorche|ltop | and, yes...you would need to recompile the bootloader |
| 09:17:01 | nurn | scorche|ltop! |
| 09:19:30 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I think the delay should just be removed for now. A more sophisticated mechanism could be added later if we run into trouble somewhere |
| 09:19:39 | amiconn | I have no idea about the semaphore thing |
| 09:20:11 | ipodbootloader | thanks guys, ill try it |
| 09:20:11 | jhMikeS | just comment out the two calls in switch_thread and see |
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| 09:28:44 | kkurbjun | hey jdgordon, how difficult do you think it would be to modify the gui code to respond to a touch screen or a mouse as an input method? - I know that's a pretty open ended question, but I'm wondering if you have any impression of how feasible it is with the current code. |
| 09:31:00 | JdGordon | kkurbjun: well, I was thinking about that actually (blame apple :p) and it would be _difficult_... |
| 09:31:26 | JdGordon | unless a dedicated screen keybaord area was implemented |
| 09:34:00 | kkurbjun | yeah, buttons on screen seem doable, but I'm thinking for the all the lists, right now I'm thinking that the screen could be divided up into segments for up down, left, right and it would work well enough, but it really wouldn't be using the touch screen's capabilities much.. I guess that's something for the future (hopefully not too far future though :-D) |
| 09:34:53 | JdGordon | for the sim it shuold be easy to do... but for real targets.. yeah, it would need regions on the screen which wouldnt work all that well i tihnk |
| 09:34:56 | JdGordon | not with the current ui |
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| 09:35:22 | kkurbjun | why would the sim be easier? |
| 09:37:02 | kkurbjun | there's another platform I'm interested in that has a touch screen - no multi touch stuff, just a single point. |
| 09:37:52 | JdGordon | well... the sim has "buttons" which the user would press, real targets would be interesting... |
| 09:37:56 | JdGordon | which target you have in mind? |
| 09:38:16 | kkurbjun | the M:robe 500 |
| 09:39:37 | JdGordon | maybe it could work |
| 09:39:56 | kkurbjun | it's a DMS320 based player, but alot of the chip and device have already been figured out by two others who started a medios port and did a linux port |
| 09:40:37 | * | JdGordon would love to help with that port :p |
| 09:41:06 | JdGordon | if the button driver returned an x/y coordinate instead of a real button, the list code could figure out an action |
| 09:41:14 | JdGordon | no idea how other screens would cope though |
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| 09:41:52 | kkurbjun | well there's alot of information if you want to get a player, I already have a target tree setup - havn't gotten the lcd running yet, but like I said before there's alot of work and code to refrence |
| 09:42:12 | kkurbjun | you can get used ones really cheap on ebay |
| 09:42:28 | kkurbjun | I got one in mint condition for 70 w/ shipping |
| 09:44:40 | * | jhMikeS no sem, 50 count as before |
| 09:44:47 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, it should be possible to prevent the rockbox threads from starving other threads (e.g. the i/o) without SDL_Delay. We'd need to set a lower priority for the rockbox threads |
| 09:45:45 | jhMikeS | is it confirmed the screen/key/io threads are being starved? |
| 09:46:26 | jhMikeS | I don't think SDL support prioritization anyway |
| 09:46:35 | amiconn | They are if you put it back to sleep(0) not sleeping at all |
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| 09:48:02 | jhMikeS | well, yeah, I don't think a zero wait on SDL_Cond actually did a thread yield but just a test and return, unlike SDL_Delay(0). |
| 09:48:03 | amiconn | hmm |
| 09:49:16 | jhMikeS | that semaphore in switch_thread will increase the yield count too high for the RB threads and those seem to be the ones starving if mpegplayer for example loses ground. |
| 09:50:50 | JdGordon | anyone know anything about the boot.lds file? it doesnt seem to like my extra define i put int he Makefile ? |
| 09:51:33 | jhMikeS | now I'm getting some pretty fast buffering save for occasional page file swapping. seems better here with a counter. |
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| 09:55:27 | bones | is it OK to ask for help on installing rockbox here? |
| 09:55:56 | ddalton | yes if you have read the manual |
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| 09:57:03 | bones | I'm using LInux and when I try to extract the rockbox zip files, I'm getting a "you don't have permission " type error |
| 09:57:55 | desowin | bones: dis you mounted drive with user priviledges? |
| 09:58:31 | bones | was automounted when I plugged in.. I have user priviledges tho.. |
| 09:58:49 | bones | drwx−−−−−− 8 marty root 4096 1970-01-01 10:00 MARTY'S IPO |
| 09:59:48 | aliask | Type "mount" at a terminal and see if it's mounted read only |
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| 10:00:52 | bones | /dev/sdc2 on /media/MARTY'S IPO type vfat (rw,nosuid,nodev,shortname=mixed,uid=1000,utf8,umask=077) |
| 10:01:15 | aliask | Can you create a folder on the drive regularly? |
| 10:01:48 | bones | I've not tried before.. can't do it now |
| 10:03:17 | aliask | Well, you might be better off asking for support in a linux channel, I'm not entirely sure what's wrong. |
| 10:03:45 | bones | ok - thanks anyway.. cheers |
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| 10:10:22 | jhMikeS | buffering happens so fast now there wouldn't even be time to make it to the audio debug screen were it not for the occasion page file hits :\ |
| 10:11:11 | jhMikeS | <1s for 32MB :P |
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| 10:33:27 | jhMikeS | amiconn: hopefully this one will do the trick |
| 10:36:16 | jhMikeS | eek, what's with all the "ld" |
| 10:37:30 | jhMikeS | every one I look at is linuxstb.rockbox.org |
| 10:41:03 | amiconn | temp file system is read only... |
| 10:41:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: ping |
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| 10:43:10 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm, the shutdown problem is back... |
| 10:44:24 | jhMikeS | lol. ok. what about the rest of it? |
| 10:45:11 | amiconn | Works on linx/amd64 (except mpegplayer, but that's another issue) |
| 10:47:05 | amiconn | Hmm, on windows cpu load is now higher than before (but still <50%) |
| 10:48:10 | jhMikeS | up from what? |
| 10:48:45 | amiconn | Hmm, don't remember exactly... |
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| 10:49:04 | amiconn | I don't think it's a problem |
| 10:49:42 | jhMikeS | I don't know why the peak code spins instead of just waiting on the queue until the next frame. Seems an odd thing to do. |
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| 10:50:15 | amiconn | It does effectively wait for the next frame, unless highperf is set |
| 10:50:27 | amiconn | And highperf is never set on the sim |
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| 10:51:53 | jhMikeS | just waiting on the queue just block until the next frame is due is worth a few uS. makes no sense to spin at all imho. |
| 10:52:13 | amiconn | The spinning makes very much sense on hwcodec |
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| 10:53:23 | amiconn | On hwcodec, peak_meter_peek() must be called as often as possible. The more often it is called, the better the peak reading will reflect the actual peaks |
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| 10:54:16 | amiconn | However, doing this always slows down other stuff, so the highperf variable is used to slow down peak reading to once per tick if ata is active |
| 10:54:42 | amiconn | Without that, recording will break when the fat code has to scan for the first usable cluster |
| 10:58:17 | jhMikeS | ok, for hwcodec it might be needed for accuracy but on SWCODEC just waiting for a keypress would be way more efficient since it gets a whole buffer to peek at |
| 10:59:17 | * | amiconn just found why the peakmeters in swcodec sims seem to be totally unrelated to the music... |
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| 11:00:17 | Llorean | Because it is due to some bug? |
| 11:00:29 | jhMikeS | the mpegplayer sync is skewed too. it would be nice to have a good audio sync. |
| 11:00:59 | amiconn | Llorean: It's because it just uses random values in the sim, although it calculates the actual peaks |
| 11:01:13 | n1s | hehe, nice |
| 11:01:15 | Llorean | So... less a bug, and more just "not intended to work" |
| 11:01:33 | amiconn | This randomisation is obviously there to cause some motion in the sim's wps - but it's only actually needed for hwcodec sims |
| 11:01:34 | * | jhMikeS thought it actually read the darn buffer :) |
| 11:01:52 | amiconn | jhMikeS: It does - but it doesn't use the value... |
| 11:03:02 | jhMikeS | why is that needed even for hwcodec? it's not really hwcodec in the sim anyway. |
| 11:03:32 | amiconn | No, it's no codec in the sim |
| 11:03:47 | jhMikeS | no audio? |
| 11:03:48 | amiconn | Without the randomisation, the peakmeter would look static |
| 11:04:13 | amiconn | correct |
| 11:04:39 | jhMikeS | sheesh. I'd think you could build libmad into it and fake it. |
| 11:05:36 | jhMikeS | I guess a sim MAS would be fun to work on |
| 11:05:36 | amiconn | Well, it would need a mas emulation using libmad |
| 11:06:01 | amiconn | I don't think it's worth the effort. Interesting it might be though |
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| 11:08:58 | jhMikeS | well, if I ever find myself with nothing else to work on... |
| 11:09:02 | jhMikeS | ;) |
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| 11:09:30 | Llorean | jhMikeS: *cough*mpegseeking*cough* |
| 11:11:28 | jhMikeS | ahh...*cough*dualcoresupportbegetsseekingmuchmoreeasily*cough* |
| 11:11:31 | pixelma | ehmm mpegplayer+voice would be a more important fix... |
| 11:11:49 | jhMikeS | since it uses IRAM, that's certainly impossible |
| 11:11:57 | JdGordon | you guys know your allowd to cough more than 1 word at a time right? |
| 11:12:21 | jhMikeS | *cough* |
| 11:12:25 | Llorean | Actually, I could care less about mpegplayer seeking, since I've never really felt its missingness. |
| 11:12:33 | jhMikeS | <1 one words at a time :) |
| 11:12:34 | Llorean | I'm more eager for dual core, but people whine about no seeking a lot. |
| 11:13:11 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Does mpegplayer need the IRAM while you're in the menus, or could it swap? |
| 11:13:12 | jhMikeS | There is one thing I hate working on and that's circular buffers. Everything else seems ok. |
| 11:13:15 | n1s | Llorean: we'll never stop the whining and you know it ;-) |
| 11:13:24 | Llorean | n1s: I can dream, can't I? |
| 11:13:43 | n1s | yes, yes of course |
| 11:14:02 | pixelma | I didn't mean it should voice mpegplayer menus, just that voice enabled doesn't break mpegplayer... |
| 11:14:03 | jhMikeS | Llorean: all the IRAM would be trashes as soon as the voice comes back. perhaps a mechanism could be devised |
| 11:14:14 | amiconn | grah |
| 11:14:29 | amiconn | Now linuxstb isn't even here... |
| 11:14:34 | jhMikeS | pixelma: ah. all it really needs to do is disable it but it doesn't. |
| 11:14:48 | amiconn | Bagder: Could you disable linuxstb's build server temporarily? |
| 11:15:42 | jhMikeS | The voice codec can be loaded and mpegplayer will work properly so it's definitely just when the voice tries to run. |
| 11:19:14 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Iirc *you* already devised a mechanism for this... and doom uses it |
| 11:21:30 | jhMikeS | actually, recording originally just set global_settings.talk_menus (or whatever) but then someone else came up with some interface to do it. |
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| 11:23:06 | * | jhMikeS wonders if just letting all the threads die with the sim process would do the job. let the OS handle it. |
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| 11:41:27 | Bagd3r | I've disabled linuxstb's server for now |
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| 11:41:55 | * | scorche wonders where b4gder went |
| 11:42:23 | Bagd3r | b4gder is my work client, this is just me on my wife's laptop using the web client... |
| 11:42:34 | scorche | ah...there is a system! =) |
| 11:42:56 | pixelma | it's just the working one of the 3 ;) |
| 11:43:46 | jhMikeS | 849d3|2? |
| 11:43:48 | JdGordon | Bagd3r: can you have a quick look at my patch for the e200r installer to make sure its done OK and doesnt break any other targets? |
| 11:44:40 | Bagd3r | what patch is that? |
| 11:45:26 | JdGordon | jdgordon.info:8080/jonno/rockbox/e200rinstaller.patch">http://jdgordon.info:8080/jonno/rockbox/e200rinstaller.patch |
| 11:47:15 | Bagd3r | try the new title on the build table... |
| 11:47:27 | Bagd3r | now showing ld version too |
| 11:50:15 | pixelma | in the "recent" page, could there still be the "last 4 weeks" "since..." links after the "Subversion" headline like it was on the old frontpage? |
| 11:51:16 | Bagd3r | JdGordon: that dump array could use a comment explaining what it is and where it came from... |
| 11:51:28 | JdGordon | thats going... |
| 11:51:36 | JdGordon | im more worried about the configure and Makefile edits |
| 11:51:39 | Bagd3r | there's also a few // comments |
| 11:51:48 | Bagd3r | Ihose looked fine to me |
| 11:51:58 | Bagd3r | those |
| 11:52:01 | JdGordon | ok cool |
| 11:52:32 | Bagd3r | but... |
| 11:53:30 | Bagd3r | I would prefer if the boot.lds fix was done by changing the IRAMORIG define outside of the file instead of the #ifdef within the file... |
| 11:54:22 | Bagd3r | but that's only minor details |
| 11:54:26 | Bagd3r | I'm off |
| 11:54:29 | JdGordon | ok |
| 11:54:30 | scorche | Bagd3r: might i talk to you about the new front page, or shall i wait for zagor? |
| 11:54:39 | scorche | well, thet answers that =) |
| 11:54:55 | Bagd3r | yeps... |
| 11:55:03 | Bagd3r | back again tonight my time |
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| 12:05:05 | pixelma | linuxstb: checked your server? |
| 12:07:55 | linuxstb | I could hardly miss it - it's my main workstation as well... |
| 12:08:11 | linuxstb | It's currently checking and repairing its filesystems. |
| 12:09:11 | pixelma | ah, ok. |
| 12:10:05 | linuxstb | But thanks anyway ;) |
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| 12:12:37 | pixelma | you're welcome ;) |
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| 12:19:31 | JdGordon | linuxstb: what does strip sansapatcher do at the end of the sansaptchr makefile? |
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| 12:31:39 | [aaa] | Hello there is a firmwares for the mp4 GV40 ? |
| 12:33:23 | n1s | [aaa]: There's no Rockbox port for that player |
| 12:33:52 | linuxstb | JdGordon: It removes all the symbols from the binary - to reduce the size. |
| 12:36:29 | linuxstb | JdGordon:: Your e200r installer patch is looking good. You should be able to use sleep() for your delays though - the bootloader implements it on PP using the hardware usec timer. |
| 12:37:43 | JdGordon | which sleep()? |
| 12:37:53 | linuxstb | JdGordon:: Also, if the button driver is working reliably, maybe add an "press any key to reboot" after its finished? |
| 12:38:00 | JdGordon | thats on the list |
| 12:38:04 | linuxstb | I mean use sleep() instead of your for() loops. |
| 12:38:09 | JdGordon | i havnt tested the button driver at all |
| 12:38:54 | linuxstb | But maybe those loops will disappear in the final version anyway... |
| 12:40:36 | JdGordon | probably |
| 12:40:39 | linuxstb | Has anyone tested it on a real E200R yet? |
| 12:40:54 | JdGordon | no, chrisjs169 tested it on his converted e200 though and it worked |
| 12:41:04 | linuxstb | Also, has anyone made any effort on Windows? |
| 12:41:14 | JdGordon | it does a full crc32 check and a quick check of the 4 bytes being changed so it shoudl be safe |
| 12:41:17 | JdGordon | and no |
| 12:41:44 | linuxstb | I assume the dump[] array will go away as well in the final version? |
| 12:41:51 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 12:42:03 | JdGordon | I'm not sure weather to put the whole thing in the main-pp.c or a new file |
| 12:42:16 | linuxstb | A new file IMO. |
| 12:42:37 | linuxstb | As it's not a bootloader... |
| 12:42:48 | [aaa] | What's the best progs for convertir in .MTV ,? |
| 12:43:21 | scorche | [aaa]: what does that have to do with rockbox? |
| 12:43:25 | linuxstb | Although if there's a lot of shared code, maybe add a common-pp.c file or similar? That would also have the advantage of making main-pp.c itself smaller. |
| 12:44:37 | JdGordon | anyone feel like playing (c) lawyer and telling me if my "e200tool" is ok for svn? |
| 12:45:17 | JdGordon | http://pastebin.ca/688368 |
| 12:49:01 | linuxstb | It doesn't look rewritten at all... |
| 12:49:15 | JdGordon | hehe, you notiiced then :p |
| 12:49:39 | JdGordon | it all uses the libusb though, so I'm not really sure how different it could be done |
| 12:50:00 | aliask | Just add some while(0) statements in the middle of it all |
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| 12:50:31 | JdGordon | I wonder if we could just get MrH to sign over the (c) to us... |
| 12:50:53 | Llorean | But it's not the copyright that's the problem, is it? It's the no-real-name policy? |
| 12:50:56 | scorche | an anonymous person signing over copyright... |
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| 12:57:32 | n1s | Does e200tool even have a licence? |
| 12:57:46 | n1s | I mean is it distributed with a licence? |
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| 12:58:06 | JdGordon | i dont tinhk so |
| 12:58:49 | n1s | so technically we don't have permission to change it at all... hmmm |
| 12:59:42 | JdGordon | why make things difficult...? |
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| 13:02:05 | n1s | well IANAL but I think that it's worth considering, also someone (Bagder) should discuss it with mrh |
| 13:02:27 | JdGordon | yeah, probably |
| 13:03:28 | linuxstb | IMO, the e200tool code we're using is very simple. So it wouldn't be too much work (less work than arguing about licenses...) for someone to describe what it's doing (with reference to libusb functions), and then for someone else to just implement them again without looking at the original source. |
| 13:04:09 | JdGordon | this is what I recon... its so simple that it would end up the same code... |
| 13:04:26 | linuxstb | I did that in the past with mi4code, when I incorporated it into scramble. |
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| 13:10:01 | ByronFortescue | heya.. |
| 13:10:49 | ByronFortescue | I want to add those flashy icons to my rockbox theme, but how do I accomplish this.. The fontsize of the theme is rather small and it seems like the icons get squished.. |
| 13:12:02 | n1s | ByronFortescue: then you have two options, 1) Find a theme that uses a larger font 2) use smaller icons |
| 13:12:32 | ByronFortescue | ok thanks ^_^ |
| 13:12:45 | ByronFortescue | and what is this EvilGFusion build I read about?! |
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| 13:18:27 | n1s | ByronFortescue: it's an unsupported build that includes some patches |
| 13:19:59 | ByronFortescue | Ok, cause in order to use some themes, it says it needs those patches (for album art for instance), but do I just overwrite all the files in the package to my .rockbox dir? and does it use the album art in the mp3 files itself? |
| 13:22:53 | JdGordon | linuxstb: your saying I need to tell someone else how it works? or I just need to redo the whole thing from scratch? |
| 13:23:30 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Leave it with me - I'm working on it... |
| 13:23:40 | JdGordon | ah ok |
| 13:24:19 | * | JdGordon maybe shouldnt have done svn cp main-pp.c main-e200r-installer.c :p |
| 13:26:00 | n1s | ByronFortescue: yes, just overwrite all files in you rockbox dir and no it doesn't read art from the mp3 files and we do not support these builds so we can not really help you with them, if you have questions or problems ask the person making the buidl (in the fourms) |
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| 13:29:35 | ByronFortescue | ok cheers |
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| 14:13:34 | ByronFortescue | hello there again ^_^ |
| 14:14:49 | ByronFortescue | I was wondering, I like to sync my iPod with iTunes (just lazy to do it manually), it works wonderfully, but when I choose to view the current playlist, I get the filenames instead of the ID3 tags, is there any way to choose to show the ID3 tags in the playlist instead of the filenames? |
| 14:15:19 | linuxstb | Not currently. |
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| 14:17:16 | ByronFortescue | ok |
| 14:17:43 | ByronFortescue | I think it's a bit weird that the database shows all ID3 tags and the player as well, but the playlist view does not.. |
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| 14:19:10 | Soap | playlists are based on files. Thus they show the file names. You can imagine the Database as a layer running on top of the basic structure of Rockbox - another layer of abstraction. |
| 14:19:36 | ByronFortescue | Yes, I understand, but a playlist is a layer of abstraction as well.. |
| 14:19:44 | Soap | not on rockbox. |
| 14:19:46 | ByronFortescue | A file list on the other hand.. |
| 14:19:54 | Soap | playlist = filelist. |
| 14:19:57 | linuxstb | But showing the id3 tags in the playlist viewer is often requested - it's just that no-one has implemented it in an efficient way yet. |
| 14:20:01 | Soap | open a .m3u on your windows machine. |
| 14:20:27 | ByronFortescue | I'm no windows user ^_^ |
| 14:20:43 | * | linuxstb slaps Soap for making such assumptions |
| 14:20:49 | linuxstb | ;) |
| 14:20:53 | ByronFortescue | cheers |
| 14:20:56 | Soap | playing the odds. |
| 14:21:04 | linuxstb | s/windows/Desktop/ |
| 14:21:10 | Soap | open a .m3u on your Mac, then. |
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| 14:22:11 | Soap | Notice I didn't cap "windows" - thus it isn't a proper noun, thus I was refering to ANY machine with a modern window manager. :P |
| 14:23:17 | linuxstb | Soap: Not convincing... |
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| 14:23:48 | ByronFortescue | lol |
| 14:25:05 | * | amiconn tried the modplayer plugin now (on 2nd gen) |
| 14:25:58 | amiconn | Works quite well. Boosts a little bit on PP5002 |
| 14:29:13 | Buschel | hi folks, I have a quite some problems with creating a new menu item. I've added a new language item (LANG_WHEEL_ACCEL_START) to english.lang, but compiler always can't find. |
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| 14:30:42 | n1s | Buschel: did you add it for the correct target? or use *: ? also0 did you try a full rebuild with 'make clean' ? |
| 14:35:03 | Buschel | n1s: did make clean and ../tools/configure |
| 14:35:56 | n1s | Buschel: so how does your new string in the lang file look? |
| 14:37:01 | Buschel | n1s: *: "Wheel Acceleration Start" |
| 14:37:47 | n1s | Buschel: that looks ok, could you pastebin the whole <phrase>..</phrase> ? |
| 14:38:16 | Buschel | <phrase> |
| 14:38:16 | Buschel | id: LANG_WHEEL_ACCEL_START |
| 14:38:16 | Buschel | desc: wheel acceleration start |
| 14:38:16 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Buschel |
| 14:38:16 | Buschel | user: |
| 14:38:16 | Buschel | <source> |
| 14:38:16 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 14:38:16 | Buschel | *: "Wheel Acceleration Start" |
| 14:38:18 | Buschel | scrollwheel: none |
| 14:38:20 | Buschel | </source> |
| 14:38:22 | Buschel | <dest> |
| 14:38:24 | Buschel | *: "Wheel Acceleration Start" |
| 14:38:26 | Buschel | scrollwheel: none |
| 14:38:28 | Buschel | </dest> |
| 14:38:30 | Buschel | <voice> |
| 14:38:32 | Buschel | *: "Wheel Acceleration Start" |
| 14:38:34 | Buschel | scrollwheel: none |
| 14:38:36 | Buschel | </voice> |
| 14:38:38 | Buschel | </phrase> |
| 14:38:45 | pixelma | isn't there a similar phrase already`? |
| 14:39:03 | amiconn | #rockbox != pastebin... |
| 14:39:55 | n1s | Buschel: which target are you building for? |
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| 14:40:08 | Buschel | iPOD Video, simulation |
| 14:40:26 | amiconn | Eh, isn't that the wrong way 'round? |
| 14:40:50 | amiconn | Should be *: none scrollwheel: "Wheel acceleration Start" iiuc |
| 14:41:46 | n1s | amiconn: that depends on what you want to do, the ipods don't have "scrollwheel" |
| 14:41:55 | amiconn | huh? |
| 14:42:27 | n1s | that means they don't define the HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL define that controls jhMikeS' new acceleration stuff (sansa only) |
| 14:43:31 | amiconn | How "intuitive"... |
| 14:43:37 | Buschel | ahh, that's it maybe. I've defined this stuff :o) gott check |
| 14:43:50 | amiconn | But I'd think that's what Buschel is trying to adapt... |
| 14:44:06 | n1s | then this won't work obviously :-) |
| 14:44:15 | amiconn | Why not? |
| 14:45:04 | n1s | because if he defines HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL and excludes the string for 'scrollwheel' and then try to use it, well the compiler will barf |
| 14:46:04 | n1s | if this is true amiconn was right initially and you have the strings the wrong way around |
| 14:46:17 | Buschel | ok, looks better now. thx for the hint! |
| 14:47:16 | Soap | I was under the impression jhMikeS thought the iPod wheel driver needed a complete reworking to allow the type of scroll acceleration he implemented for the Sansa. |
| 14:47:25 | Soap | But you got it working Buschel? |
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| 14:53:53 | Buschel | soap: yes, it works. nevertheless I don't like the hardcoded acceleration factor. I want to add some minor configuration which allows you to set the wheelspeed from which acceleration starts |
| 14:54:09 | Soap | is this in the tracker yet? |
| 14:54:40 | Buschel | no, not yet. I will post this today −− if not with configurability, then without... |
| 14:55:04 | Soap | just curious. I do want to play with it! |
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| 14:59:19 | jhMikeS | Soap: I doubt it needs a complete rework but who knows. |
| 14:59:51 | Buschel | ok, gotta leave for 1h or so |
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| 15:00:41 | * | jhMikeS isn't clear why odd options like "Wheel Acceleration Start" would be needed. If that's a timeout, it will surely make it less responsive than it should be. |
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| 15:06:11 | jhMikeS | amiconn: there's no issues with setjmp/longjmp on the 64-bit stuff or anything is there? I need it to make sure every thread does a graceful exit (since they're all scrambled up) and that will avoid any problems with shutdown. |
| 15:06:37 | amiconn | Umm, I don't know |
| 15:07:36 | jhMikeS | I guess it's standard C-lib stuff. Just wondered if anything ever came up. |
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| 16:05:46 | Buschel | ok, back agin |
| 16:08:13 | Buschel | jhmikes: you did the sansa scrollwheel acceleration? |
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| 16:22:22 | jhMikeS | Buschel: yes |
| 16:23:43 | Buschel | ahh, that's good. I would like to discuss some things about it |
| 16:24:14 | Buschel | i adapted the patch to the ipod-wheeldriver and came around some stuff |
| 16:25:19 | Buschel | e.g. in my patch i do not use the flag for fast scrolling at all. i always set it and let the calculation in button_apply_acceleration() do the rest |
| 16:25:48 | Buschel | so, if v > 1 -> accelerate, if v<=1 -> only step further by 1 |
| 16:26:25 | jhMikeS | you could run into trouble. the reason that is there is so that it _never_ skips when moving slowly to ensure you can always go to the next/prev item. |
| 16:26:46 | Buschel | works fine here |
| 16:27:02 | Buschel | maybe a special thing with the sansa-driver? |
| 16:27:50 | jhMikeS | no. skipping could still be indicated because a queue_post was missed |
| 16:28:56 | Buschel | hmm, would be a good idea to take a look at the patch as soon as it is submitted |
| 16:28:59 | jhMikeS | an integral part is allowing multiple item skips to preserve the perceived movement velocity and you don't want that when being precise. |
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| 16:29:48 | Buschel | hmm, as long as v < 1 the multiple skips would be done as well |
| 16:30:58 | Buschel | nevertheless: through this proceeding you can interprete the scaling factor as a limit in wheelclicks/s above which the acceleration takes place |
| 16:31:15 | Buschel | that's what the configuration is about |
| 16:31:38 | Buschel | ahem, the configuration i talked about one hour ago... |
| 16:34:36 | jhMikeS | My main concern with that was that the point at which any skipping could happen would be a well-defined speed and not subject any scaling factor. |
| 16:36:44 | Buschel | e.g. for sansa in current configuration: v < 1 for <90 clicks/s, so acceleration starts with >=90 clicks/s |
| 16:37:06 | jhMikeS | so many factors are used in the sansa wheel driver. at slow speed you have directional hysteresis so that two clicks are needed after reversing direction. there's also hysteresis applied to the switch from slow->fast back to slow. |
| 16:38:03 | Buschel | yes, i saw this. is this really needed? without such hysteresis you get a more smooth reactivity |
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| 16:40:12 | jhMikeS | precise selection is more imporant imo when moving slowly. if you just passed a click point, reversing would otherwise jump back with a tiny movement without it |
| 16:40:52 | jhMikeS | I'll admit the iPod hardware could be made differently and not need that. I really don't know. |
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| 16:41:25 | Buschel | i only reset the velocity to =0 on timeout (500ms) and reverse scroll |
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| 16:43:43 | jhMikeS | where's the 90 clicks/s figure come from? did you work out everything precisely? |
| 16:43:56 | Buschel | another thing: could the v-stuff in button_apply_acceleration() be calculated in int? if we would write the data in clicks/s we would merely exceed 400 or so. multiplications could then be done via uint32 |
| 16:45:27 | jhMikeS | mmmm...not sure. that about 6 revs/s on the wheel. it could exceed that by flicking it and overflow the values then. |
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| 16:46:16 | elcasey | Daft Punk ftw :P |
| 16:47:01 | jhMikeS | Buschel: you mean literally passing the value in clicks/S. I think retaining fractions is important for this.. |
| 16:47:35 | elcasey | oi, whoops...wrong channel |
| 16:49:19 | jhMikeS | Buschel: and don't forget that it's v^2 so a simple 8.8 velocity would neither hold the range and would overflow int32 when squared |
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| 16:49:59 | sofianbabai | hello friends |
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| 16:53:27 | jhMikeS | I actually desire to use a fractional power between 1.0 and 3.0 which go from no acceleration to cubic ramp (which is very _fast_). |
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| 16:53:44 | naurus | hello everybody |
| 16:53:48 | maxkelley | hi |
| 16:54:23 | naurus | i just started using rockbox yesterday, and am wondering if it is possible to change the boot splash screen (sansa e260) |
| 16:55:36 | naurus | i'm not one for plain, windows 3.1 looking themes, and i really don't like the default splash (the rockbox one) |
| 16:55:45 | Soap | if you compile your own build it is a very easy change. |
| 16:56:09 | naurus | ok, could you point me in the right direction? |
| 16:56:34 | naurus | i'm pretty computer savvy, so i should be able to figure it out once i get going |
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| 16:57:38 | Soap | First step is the wiki. There is a Simple guide to compiling page, with links to the two pre-made build enviroments, as well as instructions for setting up a Linux or Windows build enviroment (using cgywin). |
| 16:57:53 | sofianbabai | is there someone who has time to help me adding some strings to the pl script in order to generate a french voice file with well pronounced words? i'm lost with all those {} and i don't wanna make mistakes. it would be nice |
| 16:58:18 | naurus | thank you, i'll check that out when i get home |
| 16:58:58 | naurus | wow, irc is clearly the best way to get Q's answered, but my dad blocks it, so i won't be back online for a long time |
| 16:59:02 | naurus | thanks much |
| 16:59:06 | Buschel | ok, submitted the patch for ipod scrollwheel acceleration. let's start the discussion :) |
| 16:59:33 | jhMikeS | ummm...submitted whenceforth? :P |
| 16:59:38 | jac0b | I have ubuntu is it okay to add the path to my bash profile so I don't have to enter it everytime I want to build |
| 16:59:51 | Soap | Then it is just a matter of replacing the bitmap with your new one. There is a current thread on "Logo Swapper" in the forums. While this thread started out about using somebody else's program to do a simple swap of logos on pre-compiled Rockbox builds, it evolved into a discussion of how this program is not adaquate for what most people want to do and one of the messages in the thread explicitly points out the two lines of C code which need changed to |
| 16:59:51 | Soap | enable proper full-screen logo support. |
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| 17:00:08 | jac0b | or will it mess up on trying to build something else |
| 17:01:07 | Soap | naurus: there is the web-client you can try from the rockbox.org webpage. Though you should probably either respect your father's wishes, or explain to him what it is which you want to do on IRC, and have a discussion on why he chooses to block it. |
| 17:01:49 | sofianbabai | nobody for my strings? :) |
| 17:01:54 | maxkelley | I keep getting this error, "no rule to make target `sudoku_normal.h'", and I'm wondering how to correct this. this is for the c200. |
| 17:01:55 | naurus | soap: he did it completley by accident and can't get it back :P |
| 17:02:01 | krazykit | jac0b, it'll be fine, as the cross-compiler is named differently from the regular gcc. |
| 17:02:10 | Soap | IRC has been historicly a hive of villainy, as well as a real-time developement discussion tool. |
| 17:02:15 | Buschel | jhMikeS: FS #7738 |
| 17:02:21 | jac0b | krazykit: thanks |
| 17:02:40 | krazykit | naurus, i think you can connect to irc on port 8001 or 8002 on freenode (don't recall which) |
| 17:03:04 | naurus | only pop and http are open because of our firewall, my dad is security paranoid |
| 17:03:20 | naurus | oh, and ssh out |
| 17:03:24 | naurus | but thats ALL |
| 17:03:33 | naurus | but thats off topic |
| 17:03:46 | maxkelley | naurus: I can provide you with a shell, if you like. |
| 17:04:26 | naurus | no thanks, i already have a few |
| 17:04:40 | maxkelley | well, that's a way to use irc.. |
| 17:04:52 | naurus | yea |
| 17:04:58 | naurus | i think i can try out the web client |
| 17:05:02 | naurus | wheres that at? |
| 17:05:43 | krazykit | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ |
| 17:06:35 | naurus | sweet |
| 17:06:44 | naurus | that'll help |
| 17:06:55 | naurus | i was wondering if there was something like that earlyer |
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| 17:07:26 | chrisjs169 | am i going to need to do more testing? ;_ |
| 17:07:27 | naurus_web | yea, this'll work |
| 17:07:28 | chrisjs169 | *:) |
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| 17:08:01 | naurus | thanks guys |
| 17:08:38 | sofianbabai | since we are on the irc topic, is there an irc client we could use under cygwin |
| 17:08:59 | sofianbabai | mine is not so speech friendly and cygwin can help since it's installed now |
| 17:09:05 | jhMikeS | Buschel: I find the use of 1000000 odd. Everything is done in 0.24 fixed point where 0xffffff = 1. so any fraction <= 1 is frac*0xffffff to fit 24 bits. |
| 17:09:32 | maxkelley | sofianbabai: irssi |
| 17:09:53 | Buschel | jhMikeS: this is because of calculation from click/s -> 1000000 = 1 million |
| 17:10:33 | Buschel | jhMikeS: first attempt :) |
| 17:11:33 | sofianbabai | maxkelley: and how do i invoke this one from cygwin? sory, i'm a windows user |
| 17:17:40 | jhMikeS | how many clicks/turn are the iPod wheels? |
| 17:18:07 | Buschel | in the driver 96 are mentioned |
| 17:18:31 | Buschel | nevertheless i only get about 10-20 /sec when rotating fast |
| 17:19:36 | jhMikeS | and the interrupt is operating? smaller numbers should be needed than on e200. hmmm. |
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| 17:20:45 | Buschel | in the interrupt-handler there's a u-delay of 50us -> max. 20 int's per sec, but per interrupt there shall be several clicks |
| 17:20:56 | XavierGr | Zagor, Bagder: Is there a reason why SVN history is on the bottom of the page? I find it very annoying, not only that but even if I click on the Subversion link I have to scroll down to see the SVN commit log :( |
| 17:21:12 | maxkelley | sofianbabai: it's gotta be installed. |
| 17:21:30 | XavierGr | also where are the SVN older-history links? (Like "since 2.5", "4 weeks old" |
| 17:21:34 | Soap | XavierGr: try www.rockbox.org/recent |
| 17:21:44 | XavierGr | not found! |
| 17:22:01 | Soap | XavierGr: try www.rockbox.org/recent.shtml |
| 17:22:05 | Soap | my bad |
| 17:22:12 | Genre9mp3 | XavierGr: or http://www.rockbox.org/main_old.shtml |
| 17:22:42 | XavierGr | Soap: that's what I am talking about, even if on that page you have to scroll down |
| 17:22:50 | XavierGr | IMHO SVN log is a serious priority |
| 17:22:56 | XavierGr | so better put it on top! |
| 17:24:42 | jhMikeS | Buschel: isn't 50uS 20000 int's/sec or 208 1/3 r/s? fast fingers. |
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| 17:28:53 | Buschel | ooops, you're right. but doesn't change the fact i only see 10-20 clicks/s |
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| 17:32:49 | chrisjs169 | without the patch, what's the limit for the number of WPS images? |
| 17:32:52 | jhMikeS | must be some reason behind it and fixing that problem would improve the situation a whole lot. really, I can't imagine anything working well at all like that. |
| 17:33:22 | Genre9mp3 | chrisjs169: 52 + background |
| 17:33:42 | chrisjs169 | Genre9mp3, 'k, thanks |
| 17:34:09 | jhMikeS | Buschel: from where are you measuring the rate? right in the button driver and not the button_queue? |
| 17:34:12 | mschneider | there's also an image buffer limit. So you can't have 52 huge images (or even medium sized ones for that matter) |
| 17:35:12 | chrisjs169 | mschneider, any idea on what that limit is? |
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| 17:35:30 | chrisjs169 | Kratonator from ABi is asking me for help with a WPS |
| 17:36:23 | Genre9mp3 | chrisjs169: depends the screen resolution and bit depth |
| 17:36:35 | chrisjs169 | Genre9mp3, ok |
| 17:37:05 | mschneider | I think it might be twice the screen resolution (as a total image area) |
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| 17:39:00 | chrisjs169 | ok |
| 17:42:15 | Genre9mp3 | chrisjs169: from trunk/apps/gui/gwps.h |
| 17:42:23 | Genre9mp3 | #define IMG_BUFSIZE ((LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH*LCD_DEPTH/8) \ |
| 17:42:27 | Genre9mp3 | + (2*LCD_HEIGHT*LCD_WIDTH/8)) |
| 17:42:38 | chrisjs169 | Genre9mp3, thanks |
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| 17:44:43 | Buschel | jhMikeS: the measurement come from the acceleration factor which had to be enlarged to an amount which equals a click-velocity of 10-20 |
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| 18:12:41 | Buschel | jhMikeS: found the bug with the low vlaue for click/s. nullified the accumulator in the wrong place. |
| 18:13:00 | linuxstb_ | scorche: Does dual-booting work OK on your E200R? There are a few reports of it not working (screen fading to white) in the forums, but maybe it's just user-error... |
| 18:18:53 | maxkelley | how do I get arm-elf-gcc? |
| 18:19:11 | chrisjs169 | maxkelley, you have to manually compile it AFAIK |
| 18:19:24 | chrisjs169 | maxkelley, tools/rockboxdev.sh can do that for you though |
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| 18:20:02 | chrisjs169 | linuxstb_, Dual booting is fine on my e200 (with R firmware/bootloader) but I'm not using the most up to date firmware |
| 18:20:05 | maxkelley | thanks |
| 18:20:14 | maxkelley | I knew there was some script that did it... |
| 18:22:34 | chrisjs169 | maxkelley, yeah, it usually takes a little while to compile though |
| 18:23:38 | maxkelley | I figured as much :) too bad apt doesn't have arm-elf-gcc (at least, I don't think it does..) |
| 18:24:01 | maxkelley | actually, it's speeding by pretty nicely. |
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| 18:25:08 | maxkelley | while it's compiling... food! |
| 18:27:21 | maxkelley | mmm.. peach cobbler. |
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| 18:27:44 | amiconn | linuxstb: Calling that patcher bootloader.bin might be a source of confusion |
| 18:27:54 | amiconn | Why not call it e.g. bootpatcher.bin? |
| 18:28:48 | maxkelley | or donotuseasbootloaderbecauseitsabootloaderpatcher.bin. |
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| 18:32:53 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Yes, I agree it needs changing - hopefully we can eventually put it on the download server and rbutil will download and transfer it. That's just what it's currently called when it's built. |
| 18:33:27 | amiconn | I don't understand why JdGordon made it a separate build option |
| 18:33:56 | amiconn | I would probably have integrated it into the bootloader build |
| 18:34:18 | amiconn | I.e. selecting (b)ootloader would build both bootloader.bin and bootpatcher.bin |
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| 18:34:58 | linuxstb_ | That's a good idea. |
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| 18:36:24 | maxkelley | what should I build first, bootloader or normal? |
| 18:37:03 | linuxstb_ | It's normally best to install the normal build first - so the bootloader has something to boot when you install that. |
| 18:37:12 | maxkelley | ok. |
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| 18:44:05 | maxkelley | ok, I built both, so I have to go into manufacturing mode, pop in the bootloader then the mi4, or both at the same time? |
| 18:45:13 | linuxstb_ | c200? |
| 18:45:25 | maxkelley | yeah |
| 18:46:28 | linuxstb_ | You just put the bootloader .mi4 in recovery mode. The rockbox.mi4 lives inside the .rockbox folder on the FAT32 partition. |
| 18:46:42 | maxkelley | my recovery mode isn't working. |
| 18:47:25 | maxkelley | it gives me a black screen (not off, but black) |
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| 18:49:38 | maxkelley | any ideas? |
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| 18:51:20 | dsk | Hi all there |
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| 19:19:50 | seren | hello |
| 19:20:06 | seren | is there a way to use two different fonts in a theme |
| 19:21:00 | linuxstb | Not officially. There's a "multi-font" patch someone has written, but it's not included in the official Rockbox. |
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| 19:25:16 | seren | linuxstb: is it possible to rotate the display on e200 players? |
| 19:25:37 | linuxstb | No |
| 19:27:03 | seren | linuxstb: bummer there is themes for the i river H3xx that is same dimentions but landscape |
| 19:28:58 | seren | is/are |
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| 19:31:46 | maxkelley | linuxstb: what should I do if I can't get into recovery mode, and only manufacturing? |
| 19:32:31 | linuxstb | Restore the bootloader in manufacturing mode? I don't own a Sansa, so can only guess. |
| 19:33:00 | maxkelley | mehh.. I've tried a billion times :( |
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| 19:34:07 | linuxstb | Tried what, recovery mode or reinstalling the bootloader? Has recovery mode ever worked for you? |
| 19:34:24 | linuxstb | BTW, by "bootloader" I mean the original Sansa bootloader... |
| 19:34:32 | maxkelley | it has worked previously. |
| 19:34:46 | maxkelley | I tried upgrading the sansa firmware, and when I booted, I got a black screen. |
| 19:34:52 | maxkelley | I tried recovery, got the same. |
| 19:35:02 | linuxstb | So your C200 doesn't boot currently? |
| 19:35:07 | jhMikeS | amiconn: per chance you want to test graceful sim thread shutdown real quick before committing it? Just one shutdown should be enough to tell. |
| 19:35:14 | maxkelley | manufacturing was the only thing that worked, so I used e200tool to recover the original bootloader. |
| 19:35:18 | maxkelley | that's correct. |
| 19:35:52 | maxkelley | after it copied the bootloader, it restarted and went into the firmware, but froze on the "connected" screen. |
| 19:36:13 | maxkelley | so, I press-and-held the power button, restarted, and I'm back to the black screen. |
| 19:36:21 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Can#T test on my linux box now. Will do when I'm back home |
| 19:41:18 | jhMikeS | amiconn: ok, I'll leave a patch up and link here. I might not be around. |
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| 19:48:48 | maxkelley | yay! |
| 19:48:52 | maxkelley | I fixed it! |
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| 20:03:16 | jhMikeS | amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/MichaelSevakis?rev=1;filename=thread-sdl-graceful-shutdown.patch |
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| 20:34:10 | linuxstb | maxkelley: What was the problem? |
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| 20:45:57 | kasba_ | bip |
| 20:46:15 | linuxstb | amiconn: Looking at bootloader/Makefile, I can't see how it could easily be changed to build a second binary without duplicating almost all of the Makefile. JdGordon's approach seems less invasive... |
| 20:47:37 | kasba_ | hem, got an issue with an ipod 5G and can't find any help on website : could someone help me ? |
| 20:48:16 | linuxstb | Just ask. |
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| 20:49:23 | maxkelley | I unzipped the rockbox zip I created to my target, but it won't boot rockbox.. what do I have to put on the player in recovery mode? |
| 20:49:47 | linuxstb | maxkelley: You installed the Rockbox bootloader mi4? |
| 20:50:06 | kasba_ | I've updated my rockbox today and when trying to read a mp3 file I got the message : "data abort at 00030B70" |
| 20:50:19 | maxkelley | would that be firmware.mi4? |
| 20:50:27 | maxkelley | or rockbox.mi4? |
| 20:50:41 | linuxstb | kasba_: When did you last update Rockbox? |
| 20:50:57 | linuxstb | maxkelley: firmware.mi4 |
| 20:51:06 | maxkelley | upload that in recovery, then? |
| 20:51:15 | kasba_ | it was during last spring : version like 12xxx |
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| 20:51:19 | Agm3nt | maxkelley:copy firmware.mi4 |
| 20:51:26 | linuxstb | maxkelley: That's what I said earlier... And the rockbox.mi4 stays in the .rockbox folder on the FAT partition. |
| 20:51:36 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: it have about 54KB |
| 20:51:59 | linuxstb | kasba_: You need to update the bootloader. See the install section in the manual - updating the bootloader is the same as a first-time install. Basically, just run ipodpatcher and select "i" for install. |
| 20:52:03 | maxkelley | thanks.. sorry to cause all this trouble. |
| 20:52:37 | kasba_ | ok linuxstb : I'm going to try now |
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| 20:54:58 | maxkelley | hmm. |
| 20:55:04 | maxkelley | I get "invalid main image" |
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| 21:03:12 | n1s | jhMikeS: do you need another tester of that patch on linux amd64 ? |
| 21:05:35 | kasba_ | linuxstb : my ipod is up again and works fine. If I was a nice girl I would give you a french kiss but I'm an horrible man, so I give you a friendly hanshake ;-)) |
| 21:06:06 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: when you copy firmware.mi4 you unmount and then disconnect? |
| 21:06:54 | kasba_ | now I'm testing my brand new Sennheiser PX100 : sounds very good |
| 21:06:56 | maxkelley | yes. |
| 21:07:11 | maxkelley | kasba_: I head those are good. |
| 21:07:21 | maxkelley | *heard. |
| 21:07:30 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: maybe is rockbox.mi4 is bad |
| 21:07:43 | maxkelley | Agm3nt: it boots into the sansa firmware. |
| 21:08:07 | maxkelley | if the rockbox bootloader were installed, wouldn't it give an error code? |
| 21:10:05 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: "invalid main image" this is error code |
| 21:10:17 | maxkelley | from the sansa recovery mode. |
| 21:10:52 | maxkelley | When I upload to the sansa, in recovery mode, and I unplug it, it says "reading main image/ invalid main image/ resetting system" |
| 21:11:19 | maxkelley | that image is firmware.mi4 |
| 21:11:21 | linuxstb | You built the firmware.mi4 file yourself? |
| 21:11:32 | maxkelley | yes. |
| 21:11:52 | maxkelley | I believe I have to.. I don't think the e200 bootloader works on the c200. |
| 21:11:59 | linuxstb | No, it won't... |
| 21:12:05 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: what size it have?? |
| 21:12:11 | maxkelley | 56kb. |
| 21:12:24 | linuxstb | Agm3nt: Have you built and installed firmware.mi4? |
| 21:12:39 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: yes and it"s work |
| 21:12:45 | maxkelley | for the c200? |
| 21:12:48 | Agm3nt | yes |
| 21:13:05 | n1s | you 2 could maybe compare md5 sums of your bootloaders or smth |
| 21:13:05 | maxkelley | may I try that one, if you still have it? |
| 21:13:19 | maxkelley | n1s: might work. |
| 21:13:21 | linuxstb | Does anyone have any idea where the patchset linked to from the PluginMidiPlay wiki page came from? Is it freely redistributable, and hence OK to move to the download servers? |
| 21:13:42 | jhMikeS | n1s: sure, give it a try. it's basically 64-bit I'm wondering about. |
| 21:13:53 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: yes |
| 21:14:02 | maxkelley | 16313027b9ff90f462bb6b521bb19f82 |
| 21:14:18 | maxkelley | well, wanna email it to me? max@maxkelley.com |
| 21:14:28 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: thanks |
| 21:14:28 | linuxstb | Are you both using the same version of the C200 original firmware? |
| 21:14:47 | Soap | anyone know the C200 screen res off the top of their head? |
| 21:14:49 | maxkelley | I grabbed 1.00.03 or something like that. |
| 21:14:55 | maxkelley | yeah, 132x80 |
| 21:15:04 | Agm3nt | I have 1.00.00P |
| 21:15:07 | maxkelley | it's on my todo list :) |
| 21:15:10 | linuxstb | Soap: 132x80 |
| 21:15:11 | * | Soap has a sneaking suspicion his C100 is a C200 minus the microSD and LiIon |
| 21:15:21 | maxkelley | hehe. |
| 21:15:28 | maxkelley | also known as a c100? :P |
| 21:15:47 | maxkelley | it's worth a try, soap. |
| 21:15:51 | Soap | the C200 has microSD and a rechargeable battery, does it not? |
| 21:15:56 | maxkelley | yes. |
| 21:16:08 | maxkelley | did you compare chips? |
| 21:16:17 | Soap | no screws to open it. |
| 21:16:21 | maxkelley | really? |
| 21:16:29 | * | n1s hands Soap a hammer :-) |
| 21:16:34 | maxkelley | no pcbscans online? |
| 21:16:36 | Soap | really. I was going to get playing with it this week while out of town. |
| 21:16:57 | maxkelley | Agm3nt: lemme know when you send it. |
| 21:17:31 | maxkelley | if you want, I can give you the patches to get most plugins working, by the way... which I need to upload to flyspray. |
| 21:18:43 | n1s | jhMikeS: sim works a well as it did before :-) no problems closing although it takes noticably ylonger to start it up and getting music playing, that might be recent svn changes though... |
| 21:19:06 | maxkelley | how do you quit the sim without kill -9? :) |
| 21:19:21 | n1s | maxkelley: klick the cross in the corner? |
| 21:19:32 | maxkelley | nah, doesn't work for me. |
| 21:19:43 | maxkelley | neither does xkill, or ctrl-c. |
| 21:19:50 | maxkelley | but kill -9 does :) |
| 21:19:58 | n1s | maybe that is what the patch was supposed to fix... |
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| 21:20:19 | rrae | hi you guys |
| 21:20:21 | maxkelley | oh... I didn't know there was one. |
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| 21:21:14 | rrae | i just googeled and tested very much... and came to the close, heretic and hexen wad's will not work neither with prdoom nor rockdoom :( |
| 21:21:27 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: done |
| 21:21:35 | maxkelley | thanks :) |
| 21:22:00 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: remember about unmount |
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| 21:22:09 | maxkelley | here it is! |
| 21:22:13 | n1s | jhMikeS: ok, tested with clean svn, the delays are there but I have no problem closing the sim either |
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| 21:22:24 | rrae | i don't know if this is the place to ask something like this... but are there plans to make rockdoom compatible to heretic? |
| 21:23:04 | jhMikeS | n1s: as long as it plays well and stops well. I mean, it does actually play for real (no skips or extremely odd stuff)? |
| 21:23:06 | rrae | i testet the wad's with zdoom and they worked great with that |
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| 21:23:29 | n1s | rrae: not that I know of, the most active Rockdoom dev, kkurbjun hasn't been around for a while |
| 21:23:30 | maxkelley | does it matter if there's a VERSION.TXT in the recovery partition? |
| 21:23:46 | linuxstb | n1s: He's here now though... |
| 21:23:47 | kkurbjun | I'm here |
| 21:23:51 | kkurbjun | :) |
| 21:23:55 | linuxstb | Hello here. |
| 21:24:02 | n1s | ah, hi kkurbjun :-) |
| 21:24:07 | rrae | thats said :( |
| 21:24:14 | maxkelley | Agm3nt: still boots into sansa fw. |
| 21:24:33 | kkurbjun | and no, I don't have any plans to make it compatible with heretic - the source between doom and heretic is pretty different |
| 21:24:40 | n1s | rrae: I'm sure a patch would be accepted if you made it |
| 21:24:44 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: maybe rockbox.mi4 is inwalid |
| 21:25:14 | rrae | well i know C |
| 21:25:41 | maxkelley | but the rockbox bootloader should display an error code though, if it can't find the rockbox.mi4, or is invalid? at least, that's what I saw someplace on the wiki |
| 21:25:48 | rrae | but at least someone to talk about it who knows what would be to do, would be nice |
| 21:25:49 | maxkelley | want me to rebuild it, or send me yours? |
| 21:25:51 | n1s | jhMikeS: yup playback works fine :-) |
| 21:25:57 | linuxstb | kkurbjun: Do you have any idea where the patchset linked to from the PluginMidiPlay page comes from? |
| 21:25:57 | kkurbjun | yep, if you make one I would be glad to accept it - currently rockdoom uses nearly the entire plugin buffer, so you'd have to use the overlay stuff |
| 21:25:59 | rrae | i have no clue how much work it would be |
| 21:26:07 | jhMikeS | n1s: good. thanks for checking. |
| 21:26:16 | kkurbjun | rrae, it would be a LOT |
| 21:26:24 | kkurbjun | to put it simply |
| 21:26:29 | n1s | jhMikeS: np :-) |
| 21:26:38 | kkurbjun | linuxstb, no, I'm not sure where it came from |
| 21:26:56 | rrae | ah you are there, nice |
| 21:26:58 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: ok I send you |
| 21:27:16 | rrae | too crowded here ;) |
| 21:27:42 | maxkelley | Agm3nt: I tried again, removing VERSION.TXT, and putting only firmware.mi4, I got "Reading main image/invalid main image/upgrade finished/resetting system" |
| 21:28:14 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: what OF version you have? |
| 21:28:54 | rrae | hmm k |
| 21:29:06 | maxkelley | 1.00.03 I think. |
| 21:29:13 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: maybe this is a problem |
| 21:29:14 | maxkelley | what's yours? |
| 21:29:19 | maxkelley | that's what I was just thinking. |
| 21:29:33 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: 1,01.00P |
| 21:29:40 | rrae | well there are very few sources about what is the difference between doom and he** wads |
| 21:29:53 | kkurbjun | rrae, rockdoom isn't a straight source port of doom or any of the variants - it's this half doom, half prboom mix - the heretic source has alot of other code/features that were added in, I don't think it would be as straightforward as it would have been if I just used the doom original source, or it was at least a clean port of prboom |
| 21:29:55 | maxkelley | ok, I'm downloading that one now.. is that for the americas too? |
| 21:30:14 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: AFAIK main-pp have a most recent key |
| 21:30:29 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: yes |
| 21:30:41 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: you mean OF?? |
| 21:31:21 | kkurbjun | I havn't looked at specifically the wad code - I would imagine that the headers were the main things that changed in the wads |
| 21:31:36 | maxkelley | yeah, sansa firmware |
| 21:31:43 | kkurbjun | either heretic or hexen (or both) had scripting engines on top of the doom engine |
| 21:31:46 | rrae | well for the start we could just ignore all script stuff |
| 21:32:00 | maxkelley | oops, gotta eat. |
| 21:32:04 | maxkelley | will you be around? |
| 21:32:12 | kkurbjun | there's also changes to the rendering engine |
| 21:32:14 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: if you have 1.00.03A, 1,01.00P is good |
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| 21:32:50 | kkurbjun | and all the ai code is probably different |
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| 21:33:06 | maxkelley | OK. |
| 21:33:35 | kkurbjun | I think the doomsday engine has support for all 3 if you wanted a refrence how they did it |
| 21:34:00 | rrae | do you have a good source of information of how wad files are structured so i could make me a picture of it? |
| 21:34:32 | kasba_ | bye |
| 21:34:35 | rrae | ok i just found this: http://doom.wikia.com/wiki/WAD |
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| 21:34:47 | kkurbjun | I really think the wad files is the least of the concerns.. they are basically just a package of files |
| 21:35:06 | maxkelley | YEAH! |
| 21:35:09 | maxkelley | ROCKBOX BABY! |
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| 21:37:00 | rrae | PSP-doom can run heretic/hexen wads and i don't know if it is also based on prdoom |
| 21:37:21 | Agm3nt | maxkelley: work, what was the problem?? |
| 21:37:33 | rrae | thought so because some wiki said, prdoom was ported to PSP |
| 21:38:04 | kkurbjun | I looked at the psp port once a while ago - I don't think it's prboom |
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| 21:38:58 | AceNik | guys the new builds from svn14604 have a problem in h10[20GB] where the playlist doesnt resume or play new tracks after start up, solution -> the file "playlist.control" needs to be deleted, then things work fine for that session |
| 21:41:13 | kkurbjun | rrae, I just checked out that source - it looks like it's a mix of different code also |
| 21:41:23 | kkurbjun | similar to rockdoom |
| 21:41:29 | kkurbjun | but it definately didn't use prboom |
| 21:41:54 | rrae | ok |
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| 21:44:22 | n1s | AceNik: have you narrowed it down to being revision 14604 that causes this, seems a bit unlikley as that was an update of brazillian translation... |
| 21:45:29 | rrae | weren't all previous attempts to enhence doom to enhence the WAD format itself? |
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| 21:46:31 | AceNik | n1s: i basically used this build after 14577,whih also had this problem sometimes basically i think this issue is older than 14577 |
| 21:47:04 | kkurbjun | rrae if you have questions on the source I would be happy to give you whatever information you need, you can reach me on the forums via pm if anything comes up. The WAD format is just a collection of files - there were enhancement to the levels, the palettes, ways of adding translucent objects.. there were some enhancements to the wad loader and the caching engine, but they didn't change the format of a wad file. |
| 21:47:15 | n1s | AceNik: It would probably be helpful if you could find out which change causes it |
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| 21:47:31 | AceNik | n1s: but yes after the playlist.control file causes things to work perfect |
| 21:47:34 | rrae | ok |
| 21:47:42 | rrae | yea thank you very much |
| 21:47:47 | AceNik | n1s: gimme sometime ill work on it |
| 21:47:48 | n1s | AceNik: even after a reboot? |
| 21:47:59 | AceNik | ya |
| 21:48:06 | rrae | i'll see how far i can get in my spare time |
| 21:48:23 | AceNik | well everytime you want to reboot n resume tracks, you need to delete the file |
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| 21:48:59 | AceNik | actually sometimes after rebott it works sometimes it doesnt |
| 21:49:07 | kkurbjun | there was higher resolution rendering - prboom is designed to be as compatible as possible with the different versions of doom and some of the older source ports. there were changes to the code between doom1 and doom2 - they also had access to the original dos version of doom source to fix some of the incompatiblity with the linux release |
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| 21:51:49 | kkurbjun | alot of those compatibilites fixes were also done for the demos, this page has information about what they did: http://prboom.sourceforge.net/about.html#features rockdoom includes most of that except the menu code, there are also alot of changes to get it to work with the rockbox functions that are available. |
| 21:51:49 | AceNik | n1s:where do i see older version details |
| 21:52:13 | n1s | AceNik: here for example http://www.rockbox.org/since20060801.html |
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| 21:54:16 | AceNik | http://www.rockbox.org/since20070901.html doesnt work |
| 21:55:24 | AceNik | n1s: what do you use to scrobble your tracks to last.fm |
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| 22:00:57 | n1s | AceNik: I don't srcobble, and no only that page and the "since25.html" and "since-4weeks.html" |
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| 22:06:25 | AceNik | n1s: the recent usb improvements made on pp targets, works for eben h10? |
| 22:06:44 | AceNik | i dont have any sign of automation on my h10 when i plugin my usb |
| 22:07:10 | n1s | AceNik: I don't know |
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| 22:07:41 | AceNik | n1s: ok i think this patch made a difference to the playback.c file , it makes it wait for somethin http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6239 |
| 22:08:12 | AceNik | this has been committed to svn on 29 Aug 15:11, is it by you ? |
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| 22:10:56 | sofianbabai | hi again how do i register on the svn server in order to commit a file ? |
| 22:11:17 | linuxstb | sofianbabai: You don't - you post patches to the patch tracker. |
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| 22:12:14 | sofianbabai | hum i just wanted to add a modified lang file i'm not so clever to make patches for the moment lol :) |
| 22:12:29 | linuxstb | Are you using svn? |
| 22:12:48 | linuxstb | (as opposed to downloading the source code as a .tar.bz2 file) |
| 22:12:53 | sofianbabai | yes with cygwin i know the syntax but it is asking for a pwd obviously |
| 22:13:00 | AceNik | linuxstb: the recent usb improvements made on pp targets, works for h10? |
| 22:13:03 | n1s | AceNik: Yep I comitted that patch, are you sure that it's the one that caused the problem? |
| 22:13:36 | AceNik | n1s: im not sure, im asking you thats why ? |
| 22:13:54 | linuxstb | sofianbabai: From the top-level of the source (same place as apps, firmware etc), type "svn diff > mypatch.diff" and that will create a patch. |
| 22:14:11 | AceNik | n1s: i jus think it makes some changes to playback.c ,t hats why |
| 22:14:14 | linuxstb | sofianbabai: You then post that to the patch tracker (see the links on the homepage) |
| 22:14:37 | AceNik | linuxstb: nthin regarding the usb happens when i plug my h10 in it |
| 22:14:39 | n1s | AceNik: THe problem is that I don't have an h10 so I can't test it, but I can't see why that change should break readingor writing of the playlist_control file |
| 22:14:53 | linuxstb | AceNik: Are you holding the RIGHT button? |
| 22:14:56 | sofianbabai | hm ok lol i'l try this ! sounds complicated for a windows user |
| 22:15:01 | sofianbabai | thx anyway |
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| 22:16:09 | AceNik | n1s: i have no clue as such, all i can say is that after deletin the file things work fine, now please can you recommend this prob to people capable of pointin it in the right direction, cause im not sure |
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| 22:16:44 | AceNik | linuxstb: but thats how i get it into the disk mode right "power + o" |
| 22:17:08 | AceNik | linuxstb: thats the ums mode , how does rockbox help then ? |
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| 22:17:32 | linuxstb | AceNik: You hold RIGHT in Rockbox as you're inserting the USB cable. |
| 22:17:36 | linuxstb | (and keep it held IIUC) |
| 22:17:40 | AceNik | linuxstb: does the update mean USBOTG has been mplemented |
| 22:18:10 | linuxstb | AceNik: No. |
| 22:19:21 | sofianbabai | linuxstb: does the name of the patch is important? I suppose it must reflect the changes made isn't it? |
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| 22:19:51 | linuxstb | sofianbabai: The name of the patch is up to you - but it makes sense for it to be descriptive. |
| 22:20:11 | AceNik | linuxstb: but ultimately it does enter UMS mode right |
| 22:20:12 | sofianbabai | linuxstb: ok, many thanks |
| 22:20:28 | linuxstb | AceNik: AFAIK, yes. Is it not working for you? |
| 22:20:47 | AceNik | linuxstb: it is perfect |
| 22:21:26 | maxkelley | thanks to everyone who helped me. |
| 22:21:29 | AceNik | linuxstb: thanks although did you read of the other problem i commented about earlier with n1s? |
| 22:23:22 | linuxstb | AceNik: Yes, but I don't know any more than n1s. |
| 22:25:11 | AceNik | linuxstb: ok but please dont forget about the problem , please recommend it to someone havin a clue, otherwise i can live with deleting the playlist.contol file :-) |
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| 22:27:04 | sofianbabai | linuxstb: sory i''ve typed svn diff > lang_francais.diff and hit enter and now i have a window with a > sign but not clues about a created patch. i'm usign cygwin |
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| 22:27:55 | linuxstb | Press CTRL+C and try again - you probably typed a quote on the line (which shouldn't be there). |
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| 22:30:10 | sofianbabai | ok! i've my diff file :) |
| 22:30:12 | sofianbabai | thx ! |
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| 22:46:10 | docgonzo | Hello all. |
| 22:46:37 | docgonzo | i just installed the rockbox firmware to my sansa e200 player and it loads/boots fine. |
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| 22:46:57 | docgonzo | is there a way to get a more 'graphical' interface, than simply the blk/white one? |
| 22:47:09 | docgonzo | i really like the colorful sansa menus. ::Shrug:: |
| 22:47:12 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox-themes.org |
| 22:47:16 | maxkelley | yes, wps. |
| 22:47:30 | maxkelley | who knows much about the structure of the rockblox plugin? |
| 22:48:59 | maxkelley | or, what would extern const fb_data rockblox_background[]; mean? :P |
| 22:49:33 | maxkelley | obviously rockblox_background is some sort of constant, but where does it come from? |
| 22:49:48 | linuxstb | It's the bitmap for the background. |
| 22:49:56 | linuxstb | See the files in apps/plugins/bitmaps/native/ |
| 22:50:05 | maxkelley | there's not one named that. |
| 22:50:36 | linuxstb | There are 9 named that... |
| 22:50:38 | maxkelley | oh, I lied. |
| 22:51:12 | linuxstb | The appropriate bmp (see the SOURCE file in that directory) is converted to a C array at compile time and linked to the plugin. |
| 22:51:17 | linuxstb | ^SOURCES |
| 22:51:21 | maxkelley | so, in that case, I must make one for me. |
| 22:51:38 | linuxstb | Yes - you'll need to create lots of bmps for the c200... |
| 22:51:55 | pixelma | did lowlight disable the plugin for the c200 s in the make file or in SOURCES? (In case someone knows from the top of their heads, otherwise I go looking) |
| 22:52:08 | maxkelley | pixelma: yeah, I'm making a crapload of patches for them, |
| 22:52:21 | maxkelley | it's in tools/configure |
| 22:52:45 | maxkelley | no plugins will compile because they'll all complain of not having proper keymaps. |
| 22:53:03 | maxkelley | I'll upload the patch to flyspray in the next few days. |
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| 22:53:13 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you have an idea why mpegplayer would just bail out on a 64 bit sim? |
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| 22:53:30 | pixelma | maxkelley: I'd suggest something like solitaire first - it could use the same bmp as the small H10 (128 pixels wide, colour) - you would "just" define a nice keymap |
| 22:53:47 | pixelma | +need to |
| 22:53:48 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 22:54:16 | maxkelley | well, for most of them, the e200 keymap works, except for those that use the scrollwheel, for which I substitute volume keys. |
| 22:54:28 | maxkelley | or, something suitable. |
| 22:54:31 | linuxstb | amiconn: Not really... I assume your libmad changes are being compiled? |
| 22:54:37 | amiconn | yes |
| 22:54:52 | amiconn | It doesn't crash, just bails out and I'm back in the file browser |
| 22:55:29 | amiconn | That happens after the 2nd call to mpeg_malloc() is logged on the console |
| 22:55:57 | linuxstb | How big is that? IIRC, only 2MB is allocated to the malloc implementation. |
| 22:56:11 | amiconn | ~1.2MB |
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| 22:56:21 | amiconn | The first is ~18KB |
| 22:56:39 | linuxstb | What video are you using? Elephants Dream? |
| 22:56:44 | amiconn | yup |
| 22:56:52 | amiconn | H300 sim, 224x176 version |
| 22:56:53 | maxkelley | haha. |
| 22:57:15 | maxkelley | I remember trying to play that in 1080p on a integrated video computer. |
| 22:57:25 | maxkelley | over 802.11g. |
| 22:57:28 | pixelma | maxkelley: I'd really like to work on the graphics related things that needs to be done, but since I don't have a c200 myself I could only test keymaps in the sim which doesn't always tell how "handy" the keymaps are... |
| 22:57:57 | maxkelley | if you'd like to work on the graphics, feel free to, I hate all these pesky graphics mods myself. |
| 22:58:06 | maxkelley | the keymaps are already taken care of, I believe. |
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| 22:58:27 | maxkelley | well, no, I know. I spent all yesterday taking care of that little problem (and part of this morning) |
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| 23:00:34 | pixelma | I see... did you put your keymap tweaks somewhere where they are available opeenly? |
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| 23:01:29 | amiconn | rasher: around? |
| 23:02:10 | maxkelley | pixelma: I will pretty soon, I want to put everything in one large patch instead of a billion small ones. |
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| 23:02:41 | maxkelley | if you'd like, I can set up an ftp account for you so you can dev with my patches. |
| 23:02:43 | linuxstb | amiconn: Nothing obvious comes to mind... I've just tested a h300 sim on 32-bit linux, and it's fine. |
| 23:03:08 | amiconn | I know that it works on 32 bit |
| 23:03:18 | amiconn | It does so on windows as well |
| 23:03:29 | pixelma | maxkelley: just read your comment earlier again, I'll watch flyspray the next days a bit (don't have time myself tomorrow but could start then) |
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| 23:05:57 | amiconn | linuxstb: On 32 bit, there is a total of 11 mpeg_malloc() calls. The second identical to those I get on amd64, but the first is a tiny bit larger on amd64 |
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| 23:06:57 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The patch seems to work fine on linux/x86 and amd64 |
| 23:07:19 | webguest49 | where can I find the hole list of actual changes made to the SVN? I just see the last few entries.... |
| 23:07:36 | amiconn | linuxstb: Sorry, mpeg2_malloc() of course |
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| 23:11:03 | webguest49 | anyone? |
| 23:11:05 | n1s | wow, my transcoder script actually works :-D probably my first shellscript that is actually useful |
| 23:11:21 | Chronon | I just wanted to toss this offer out once more. I have an iPod Nano that suffers from the recent playback bug. If anyone with the expertise would like to take a crack at looking at this problem I would be willing to send my unit to them. |
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| 23:12:37 | linuxstb | Chronon: Where in the world are you? |
| 23:13:32 | scorche | linuxstb: as i said in the thread, yes, dual boot works fine for me |
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| 23:13:44 | k-man | hello |
| 23:13:59 | linuxstb | scorche: OK, I missed that - it's been mentioned in multiple threads. So we're blaming user error? |
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| 23:14:31 | Bagder | webguest49: "svn log" |
| 23:14:53 | scorche | i would atm, but there could be another unknown reason, i suppose |
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| 23:15:21 | n1s | Bagder: IMHO it would be more useful to see the commit message in the frontpage table than which files were edited |
| 23:15:22 | Chronon | I am in the USA |
| 23:15:32 | Chronon | Oregon, to be more precise |
| 23:15:40 | pixelma | Bagder: any plans on adding the "since...", "last 4 weeks" links somewhere again? |
| 23:15:42 | Bagder | n1s: I agree, Zagor's doing the front page changes |
| 23:15:50 | * | Bagder points to Zagor |
| 23:15:56 | linuxstb | Bagder: Maybe this is Zagor's domain, but the since-4weeks and since-august-2006 pages are no longer linked to (afaics) |
| 23:16:03 | linuxstb | Ah, it is.. ;) |
| 23:16:14 | Bagder | yes, they should be there somewhere I think so too |
| 23:16:38 | linuxstb | IMO, both files and message are required - one normally doesn't make sense without the other. |
| 23:17:25 | scorche | indeed |
| 23:19:14 | maxkelley | it's too bad the c200 doesn't have tv-out.. I'm sure it could play videos if it had the screen for it. |
| 23:19:27 | webguest49 | badger: is it on the mainpage? or where can i find it? |
| 23:19:44 | maxkelley | well, it's more like "I wish" instead of "i'm sure" :) |
| 23:19:50 | Llorean | maxkelley: It couldn't |
| 23:20:05 | linuxstb | mpegplayer should work well on the c200 - tiny LCD... |
| 23:20:06 | maxkelley | yeah ^^^ |
| 23:20:08 | Llorean | maxkelley: The portalplayer chips are too slow to play video at 320x240 at more than about 7-10fps |
| 23:20:30 | maxkelley | I thought I heard something about video on the nano? |
| 23:20:34 | sofianbabai | linuxstb: can you quickly explain the process to me. so, i'v my diff fyhle. i've registered on flyspray. i create a task. what do i DO WITH my dif file? would i post my modified lang file to the svn repository? |
| 23:20:43 | Llorean | maxkelley: Yep, video plays relatively well on the Nano |
| 23:20:48 | linuxstb | sofianbabai: You attach the file to your comments. |
| 23:21:03 | maxkelley | well, that's PP, isn't it? :) |
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| 23:21:21 | Llorean | maxkelley: As I said, at 320x240 |
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| 23:21:29 | maxkelley | oh, that's true. |
| 23:21:32 | Llorean | maxkelley: The Nano is 176x132, a fraction of the number of pixels |
| 23:21:51 | Llorean | On the c200's screen, I'm sure video will run quite well. But if you tried to have the c200 draw it on a bigger screen, not so much. |
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| 23:22:13 | maxkelley | aside from the astonishingly slow refresh rate. |
| 23:22:15 | sofianbabai | linuxstb: OK |
| 23:22:54 | Llorean | maxkelley: Do you know the actual refresh rate of the screen? |
| 23:22:56 | webguest46 | Man, I hope someone makes an auto-intaller for the e200r soon so we don't have to use linux |
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| 23:23:18 | Llorean | webguest46: The auto-installer will probably still require linux for quite some time. |
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| 23:23:28 | maxkelley | no, but even moving the menu item selector leaves ghosting. |
| 23:23:31 | Llorean | webguest46: I would think that linux would be the easy part, and all the steps be the hard bit. |
| 23:23:40 | linuxstb | webguest46: That's very pessimistic... |
| 23:23:49 | linuxstb | ^That was meant to Llorean.... |
| 23:24:29 | webguest46 | well my comp. is extremely slow so linux would not work well on it. |
| 23:24:37 | linuxstb | Quite the opposite... |
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| 23:25:13 | dionoea | + you can use a live cd to run linux without needing to actualy install linux on your computer |
| 23:25:18 | Bagder | besides, you wouldn't need to run it a lot, just for the little installer |
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| 23:25:44 | webguest46 | Sorry for the noob question but what is the live cd |
| 23:25:46 | Bagder | but still, there may exist windows programmers who knows how to communicate over usb... |
| 23:25:48 | amiconn | Llorean: I'm sure that a large part of the mpegplayer slowness on ipod video is due to the slow lcd updates |
| 23:26:06 | webguest46 | true |
| 23:26:15 | krazykit | webguest46, a liveCD is a cd you boot from; no hard drive interaction takes place |
| 23:26:19 | krazykit | system-on-a-disk, basically |
| 23:26:23 | Llorean | amiconn: It's still not too far off the line shown by the increasing screen size on other portalplayers. |
| 23:26:47 | maxkelley | I can't wait till oled. |
| 23:26:48 | webguest46 | but i would have to either make the cd or buy it, correct? |
| 23:27:01 | Llorean | Bagder: I'm hopeful. When I said quite some time, it's based on the fact that most people seem to be hoping for something "tomorrow, or the day after" |
| 23:27:09 | maxkelley | make or get... it's free. |
| 23:27:15 | Bagder | yeah |
| 23:27:18 | scorche | webguest46: it is basically an extremely easy way to run linux...download an iso, burn it to a disk, then boot with the disk in, and you are running linux |
| 23:27:19 | Chronon | webguest46, you can download an image and burn it to disk if you have a CD burner |
| 23:27:32 | webguest46 | really? |
| 23:27:42 | Bagder | I'm quite pessimistic since not a lot of people are interested in working on/for the e200R, and even less that run windows |
| 23:27:47 | linuxstb | Llorean: Last time I spoke to JdGordon, he was fighting with libusb-win32. Hopefully he'll have some luck. |
| 23:27:48 | webguest46 | do you know of any sites where i could learn to do all of this |
| 23:28:01 | Chronon | google for "Live CD" |
| 23:28:08 | maxkelley | yay rockbox. |
| 23:28:10 | webguest46 | okay |
| 23:28:19 | Llorean | webguest46: I'm pretty sure Ubuntu will mail you a free LiveCD too, I think. |
| 23:28:40 | linuxstb | But yes, if we fail to get e200rpatcher running on Windows, a minimal livecd image with e200rpatcher installed will be the next best thing... |
| 23:28:46 | maxkelley | by the time I had gotten mine, I forgot I ordered them. |
| 23:28:48 | dionoea | webguest46: you can also find USB live stuff (ie you put it on a usb key instead of a CD). That doesn't work on every computer though. |
| 23:28:54 | maxkelley | that was to Llorean |
| 23:29:00 | Chronon | Llorean: Hahaha. Mail. |
| 23:29:15 | Llorean | maxkelley: Just pointing out that if w'46 there doesn't have a burner. |
| 23:29:22 | scorche | Llorean: "but the delivery may take up to ten weeks" |
| 23:29:28 | webguest46 | i am definitly going to try to make the live cd |
| 23:29:44 | Llorean | scorche: So he can wait to see if windows installation is done before his free CD arrives. :-p |
| 23:29:47 | amiconn | I'd think that it shouldn't be too difficult to get usb communication working on windows, but it'd require a dev with windows and a sansa |
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| 23:29:59 | maxkelley | there was supposed to be sound on the c200, right? |
| 23:30:03 | scorche | webguest46: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download |
| 23:30:28 | Bagder | maxkelley: yes |
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| 23:30:48 | webguest46 | i thought it i read somewhere that it doesn't work with ubuntu? |
| 23:30:49 | maxkelley | hmm.. I'm not getting any. |
| 23:31:13 | maxkelley | ah, nvm. |
| 23:31:15 | scorche | where does it say that?...i used ubuntu just fine |
| 23:31:30 | webguest46 | Oh, sorry, must have misread |
| 23:32:32 | Bagder | linuxstb: your build host fine again? |
| 23:32:45 | Bagder | I disabled it before due to the build problems on it |
| 23:32:51 | linuxstb | Seems to be - I'm typing this on it... |
| 23:32:57 | linuxstb | It had a bad night... |
| 23:33:01 | Bagder | ok |
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| 23:33:13 | maxkelley | hmm.. I'm getting popping. |
| 23:33:46 | webguest46 | Wow, 700MB to download ubuntu |
| 23:33:53 | webguest46 | that's quite a lot |
| 23:34:05 | Nico_P | Bagder: hope you don't mind... I allowed myself to add the rockbox category of your blog to the feeds in ohloh |
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| 23:34:24 | Bagder | aha! but no, not at all |
| 23:34:30 | scorche | webguest46: that is the typical liceCD |
| 23:34:36 | scorche | live |
| 23:34:42 | Llorean | Bagder: Would it be possible to use the RSS feed here as an "Official" Rockbox RSS? http://cia.vc/stats/project/Rockbox |
| 23:34:52 | linuxstb | scorche: Wow, there must be simpler text-only CDs... |
| 23:34:58 | Llorean | I've been using it for months now, and find it quite a bit better than the other one. |
| 23:35:17 | scorche | linuxstb: there are, but i am looking for "easy" atm |
| 23:35:26 | webguest46 | there is a text-only, maybe i should try that |
| 23:35:34 | scorche | feel free to point to another, smaller one |
| 23:35:55 | webguest46 | as long as it gets the job done |
| 23:36:02 | Bagder | Llorean: how would it be official? you mean adding a link to that somewhere? |
| 23:36:08 | dionoea | you only need usb support ? |
| 23:36:08 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 23:36:33 | dionoea | the gparted live CD has usb support and it's about it |
| 23:36:33 | linuxstb | dionoea: Yes. |
| 23:36:34 | Nico_P | Llorean: what's the other one ? |
| 23:36:36 | Llorean | Bagder: A link to it on the main page, or really anywhere, so that when people are looking or asking about an RSS they can find it. |
| 23:36:42 | dionoea | it's small |
| 23:36:45 | dionoea | has a GUI |
| 23:36:50 | Llorean | Nico_P: There's one using.. um.. Can't remember the site's name? Same one that people use to index the mailing lists I think? |
| 23:36:53 | dionoea | doesn't have network support though |
| 23:37:07 | Nico_P | Llorean: ah, gmane ? |
| 23:37:10 | Llorean | Yeah, gmane |
| 23:37:14 | dionoea | http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php |
| 23:37:25 | Llorean | There's an RSS feed through gmane, but in nearly every reader I've tried, the formatting on commit messages is terribly messed up. |
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| 23:38:31 | dionoea | webguest46: you could check that link (you'd only need to download the rockbox files first before booting on the CD since it doesn't have net support) |
| 23:38:48 | webguest46 | i have a program called easy cd creator basic 5 but i don't think that will work. I have a cd burner but does anyone know of free software that i can use to make this livecd? |
| 23:38:59 | webguest46 | oh |
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| 23:39:07 | chrisjs169 | isorecorder might work |
| 23:39:07 | dionoea | easy cd creator should be able to burn an iso |
| 23:39:13 | chrisjs169 | haven't used it in ages though |
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| 23:40:07 | advcomp2019 | you can use cdburnerxp pro too |
| 23:40:18 | webguest46 | thanks |
| 23:42:31 | webguest46 | I'm going to check out that link now |
| 23:42:48 | amiconn | Virtually any cd burning app should be able to burn isos |
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| 23:43:46 | Chronon | linuxstb: any particular reason you wanted to know where I am? |
| 23:44:49 | krazykit | imgburn is pretty good for burning CDs |
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| 23:45:29 | webguest46 | i am trying to use the easy cd creator 5 basic right now |
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| 23:47:58 | krazykit | webguest46, do make sure you are "burning from disk image" or "burning from iso" rather than simply dragging the ISO to a data cd. |
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| 23:49:11 | webguest46 | is there a big difference |
| 23:49:27 | linuxstb | Chronon: It may affect which dev takes you up on your offer. |
| 23:50:40 | sofianbabai | linuxstb: last question : i've posted my patch. but since I can't commit the modified file, how the users could benefit from my modifications ? :) |
| 23:50:48 | Chronon | linuxstb: OK. Maybe I should check into freight charges on this. |
| 23:51:30 | linuxstb | Chronon: It's not just the freight charges - there may be customs charges to pay if you ship internationally. |
| 23:52:07 | Chronon | Okay. Thanks for the info. I'll try to find someone in the USA, if possible. |
| 23:55:19 | linuxstb | sofianbabai: The intention is that a developer will commit your patch. |
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| 23:57:01 | linuxstb | sofianbabai: It seems you didn't attach a file to your comment... |
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