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| 00:10:21 | wookey__ | Sansa 280e arrived yesterday. ROckboxed it forthwith and it 'just works' - well done all! |
| 00:10:41 | wookey__ | even plays movies |
| 00:10:54 | wookey__ | I need to fiddle a bit more to find out how it all works |
| 00:11:03 | wookey__ | then I can ehlp hack |
| 00:11:16 | Bagder | we like that! |
| 00:11:36 | amiconn | linuxstb: The very first call to get_next_data() (wrongly) detects end of stream on amd64... |
| 00:11:49 | wookey__ | Any news on USB support for sansa? That is a very obvious missing piece that my wife is going to notice :-) |
| 00:12:09 | Bagder | wookey__: it's in the works at least |
| 00:12:35 | wookey__ | yeah - austriancoder was doing google SoC on it I hear |
| 00:13:25 | wookey__ | BTW is the default rockbox theme supposed to look like tiny monospace font with no colours/icons except yellow background? |
| 00:13:37 | wookey__ | or did I do something wrong. |
| 00:13:49 | Bagder | it is that basic |
| 00:14:21 | | Part rrae |
| 00:14:23 | Bagder | discussions tend to pop up every now and then on changing/improving that... |
| 00:14:38 | wookey__ | OK. Even I was a bit disapointed on the bling front - and I'm a proper geek :-) |
| 00:14:50 | Bagder | :-) |
| 00:14:51 | wookey__ | It's a fairly hard-core initial imporession |
| 00:15:14 | wookey__ | I can imagine people being put off before realising they can upload themes to their hearts content |
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| 00:15:47 | JdGordon | they are usually the trouble makers, so no loss |
| 00:16:01 | wookey__ | perhaps that is true - it is a useful idiot-filter |
| 00:17:01 | wookey__ | I just imigine if I told someone 'get rockbox it's great' they might be a bit disapointed with the defaults |
| 00:17:49 | webguest46 | I have my datacd creator up but now i just need to know what to put in it. Is there an iso i have to download? |
| 00:18:02 | | Quit floam () |
| 00:18:06 | wookey__ | default look - default settings seem fine, although backlight duration is very short if you don't already know how to drive device |
| 00:18:08 | amiconn | linuxstb: If you take a look at the C versions of the CMP_3_CONST and CMP_4_CONST macros, what does that tell you? |
| 00:18:26 | wookey__ | Anyway - thanx all - I'll be back - need to do some work now. |
| 00:18:32 | amiconn | (mpegplayer.c:453..461) |
| 00:18:52 | webguest46 | This is complicated |
| 00:19:25 | * | amiconn spotted this by comparing a single-step run on linux/x86 and linux/amd64 |
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| 00:25:52 | webguest46 | forget it, this is too much for me. I don't know enough about linux to try tand make this work. For now, I'm just going to have to wait for the auto-installer. |
| 00:25:53 | k-man | is there a way to store music on rockbox so that rockbox and ipod software can use it? |
| 00:27:02 | scorche | webguest46: what do you need to "try an make this work" for?...the instructions are very explicit and should open room for interpretation |
| 00:27:11 | scorche | k-man: using i-tunes |
| 00:27:55 | k-man | scorche, ok.... so if i load up the ipod with itunes, rockbox can read the files and use them? |
| 00:28:07 | scorche | if you use database |
| 00:28:50 | webguest46 | Well, i'm just confused about what files i put into this cd creator and then what to do after that so i can get rockbox on my e200r. |
| 00:29:08 | k-man | scorche, ok |
| 00:29:09 | k-man | thanks |
| 00:29:20 | chrisjs169 | webguest46, try ISO Recorder - on some computers it doesn't work well, but on others it's fine |
| 00:29:35 | webguest46 | sorry if i sound annoying, i'm not trying to |
| 00:30:12 | webguest46 | What iso do i have to use. Is there an iso i need? |
| 00:30:14 | chrisjs169 | webguest46, http://isorecorder.alexfeinman.com/isorecorder.htm |
| 00:30:19 | webguest46 | thanks |
| 00:30:21 | chrisjs169 | webguest46, download a copy of linux |
| 00:30:29 | chrisjs169 | webguest46, that program is only for burning the iso to a cd |
| 00:30:32 | amiconn | yay! |
| 00:30:43 | amiconn | Fixing these macros fixes mpegplayer on 64 bit sims |
| 00:30:43 | scorche | amiconn: ? |
| 00:31:04 | webguest46 | OH, i think i'm finally starting to understand. Thank you |
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| 00:31:58 | advcomp2019 | webguest46, you need to somehow burn a iso to a cd... cdburnerxp pro have it right in the file menu "write disc from image" |
| 00:32:11 | k-man | if my ipod is formatted in win32, can i use it as an ipod with a mac? |
| 00:32:11 | k-man | or will the mac want to reformat it? |
| 00:33:31 | webguest46 | advcomp2019: does that program cost anything? |
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| 00:33:41 | advcomp2019 | it is free |
| 00:33:46 | webguest46 | Okay |
| 00:34:00 | advcomp2019 | http://www.cdburnerxp.se/ |
| 00:36:14 | webguest46 | i'm downloading it from megaupload right now |
| 00:36:34 | amiconn | advcomp2019: just freeware or true open source? |
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| 00:36:48 | amiconn | (The site doesn't tell, or at least I can't find it) |
| 00:36:57 | advcomp2019 | it is freeware not open source |
| 00:37:39 | amiconn | Infra recorder is an open source burning app |
| 00:37:55 | linuxstb | amiconn: Nice find in mpegplayer. Not my code though... |
| 00:38:24 | advcomp2019 | it works great with cd burning but i have not had good lunk yet with dvds and they are working it out still |
| 00:38:34 | advcomp2019 | luck* |
| 00:38:50 | amiconn | linuxstb: I saw that shift up & down solution for extracting bytes in numerous places, and I must say I don't like it |
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| 00:39:14 | amiconn | A shift + and 'and' are clearer, and not as data size dependent |
| 00:39:43 | amiconn | (and in this case, the operations are compile-time, so it's not influencing performance at all) |
| 00:40:30 | linuxstb | amiconn: I agree - I always use shift and & |
| 00:41:16 | amiconn | It seems that it works on 32 bit just by coincidence - iirc the preprocessor calculates everything in 64 bit |
| 00:41:23 | amiconn | (on all platforms) |
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| 00:42:11 | webguest46 | okay, got the program downloaded, now i just need to download linux |
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| 00:42:34 | linuxstb | SVN now only blames me for 20% of mpegplayer.c, and most of that are comments... |
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| 00:44:23 | amiconn | Ah, so jhMikeS is to blame.... |
| 00:44:37 | amiconn | (r13094) |
| 00:45:17 | Bagder | http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=290959&threshold=1&commentsort=0&mode=thread&cid=20508699 |
| 00:45:21 | linuxstb | Yes, 13094 was when I stopped working on it, and jhMikeS started. |
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| 00:45:46 | webguest46 | It is asking me what i want to open the .iso file with. What should i select? |
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| 00:46:08 | linuxstb | webguest46: What is asking you that? |
| 00:46:29 | webguest46 | firefox |
| 00:46:44 | linuxstb | Just tell it to save the file. |
| 00:46:45 | Bagder | two comments in that slashdot article mentioned rockbox, and we've gotten ~700 referes from them as of now |
| 00:46:48 | webguest46 | open with: or save to disk |
| 00:46:50 | advcomp2019 | you need to save it |
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| 00:46:56 | webguest46 | ok |
| 00:47:09 | linuxstb | Bagder: Isn't that Soap? |
| 00:47:36 | Bagder | ah yes it is, I didn't notice that |
| 00:47:40 | webguest46 | Okay, now i wonder how long it will take to download |
| 00:48:24 | advcomp2019 | takes a few hours here but that depends on your connection |
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| 00:49:17 | webguest46 | well, i'm using roadrunner, the connection is okay |
| 00:51:49 | webguest46 | so linux can't mess up windows in anyway right? |
| 00:52:07 | advcomp2019 | if you use the livecd it should not |
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| 00:52:23 | n1s | webguest46: unless you do something really stupid :-) |
| 00:52:32 | advcomp2019 | yea |
| 00:53:39 | webguest46 | lol |
| 00:53:49 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 00:55:14 | webguest46 | it's downloading at about 3.0KB/sec |
| 00:56:46 | advcomp2019 | what kind of connection do you have |
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| 00:59:48 | webguest46 | cable/modem |
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| 01:03:11 | advcomp2019 | ok |
| 01:04:37 | Chronon | webguest46: maybe bit torrent might be faster? |
| 01:05:11 | advcomp2019 | or use a download manager that downloads from other site |
| 01:05:35 | advcomp2019 | with that file |
| 01:05:36 | webguest46 | how much of a time difference would that be |
| 01:06:03 | advcomp2019 | that can save lots of time |
| 01:06:34 | webguest46 | do you have a link to a torrent i could use |
| 01:06:35 | advcomp2019 | if you have cable and it is only downloading at 3KB/sec |
| 01:08:13 | linuxstb | webguest46: Which file are you downloading? The gparted iso? |
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| 01:10:35 | Chronon | I'm not sure what .iso you're trying to download. Try googling for that .iso and torrent. Many sites have .torrents as well as direct downloads. |
| 01:11:00 | advcomp2019 | if you use firefox a download manager you could use is called DownThemAll |
| 01:11:47 | | Quit webguest46 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") |
| 01:12:43 | * | linuxstb blames his ISP... |
| 01:12:55 | linuxstb | ^webguest46's ISP |
| 01:13:01 | advcomp2019 | yea |
| 01:14:33 | advcomp2019 | i was going to tell him to use utorrent if he goes the torrent way |
| 01:21:38 | eigma | I'm getting a compile error in firmware/pcm_playback.c:277. looking at http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/pcm_playback.c?annotate=13795, there looks like there's a trailing "." on line 277.. even with that removed, I get a "samples not declared" because my processor isn't PNX0101.. |
| 01:22:24 | linuxstb | eigma: Which target are you building for? |
| 01:23:16 | eigma | new port, olympus m:robe 500i |
| 01:23:27 | eigma | we haven't modified that file at all |
| 01:23:48 | linuxstb | Yes, that . looks like a typo. That part of the code must be unused for all current targets... |
| 01:24:28 | eigma | and what about "samples"? |
| 01:24:38 | eigma | is that block supposed to be executed only for the PNX0101? |
| 01:24:43 | eigma | *that _entire_ block |
| 01:25:37 | n1s | linuxstb: yeps, it's swcodec only and inside #if !defined(CPU_PP) as well as #if !defined(CPU_COLDFIRE) && (CONFIG_CPU != S3C2440) |
| 01:25:59 | n1s | which neatly covers all targets :-) |
| 01:26:01 | linuxstb | eigma: What CPU do you have? |
| 01:26:05 | eigma | ARM926 |
| 01:27:50 | linuxstb | I think you'll need to create a pcm-something file in the target-tree (firmware/target), and change pcm_playback.c so it ignores that code for your CPU. |
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| 01:28:44 | eigma | sure, but it seems that something is still broken |
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| 01:29:19 | n1s | this seems like a lot of half-baked target treeing |
| 01:29:24 | linuxstb | The problem is that the PNX0101 port is a one-man job, and that man isn't around very much... |
| 01:30:01 | linuxstb | But yes, it does need fixing. |
| 01:30:10 | webguest46 | sorry, got disconnected |
| 01:30:43 | webguest46 | now what about torrents |
| 01:31:01 | webguest46 | sorry if i interupted a conversation |
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| 01:34:23 | webguest46 | should i search for it on google |
| 01:34:46 | advcomp2019 | torrect would let you download from many host that has the file same with a download manager |
| 01:34:52 | linuxstb | webguest46: Do you get faster speeds than 3KB/s from other sites? |
| 01:36:21 | advcomp2019 | or can you do a speed test to your internet connection |
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| 01:40:42 | eigma | linuxstb: okay, so why isn't that code in target/arm/pnx0101? |
| 01:40:58 | linuxstb | eigma: Simply because no-one has put it there... |
| 01:41:06 | linuxstb | target-tree is still a work-in-progress. |
| 01:41:08 | eigma | hm :( |
| 01:41:28 | eigma | does anyone have a PNX0101 to test a patch if I write one? |
| 01:42:46 | linuxstb | That's the problem - only one person does. I don't even know if the iFP port builds without error at the moment. But if you write a patch, I'm sure someone will commit it - if we break the port, the porter can fix it. |
| 01:44:01 | eigma | I'll definitely make sure it doesn't break the build.. but I definitely have no way of checking it on real hardware |
| 01:44:09 | eigma | (the build is already broken, heh) |
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| 01:45:06 | [nc17] | question... been using RB for a few days and i just plugged into the pc to charge and the bootloader screen came up, slowly got white lines and faded to red then black and now it wont turn off |
| 01:45:11 | [nc17] | using e250R |
| 01:45:23 | [nc17] | e260R* |
| 01:46:16 | webguest46 | do i need to download a torrent program, and if i do does anybody have a suggestion |
| 01:46:57 | advcomp2019 | you can use utorrent |
| 01:47:54 | webguest46 | thanks |
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| 01:48:58 | chrisjs169 | [nc17] seemed impatient |
| 01:49:12 | linuxstb | webguest46: You seem to be ignoring everyone's questions... |
| 01:51:47 | webguest46 | Your'e right, sorry about that. I'm being too selfish. I'm just eager to get everything running. |
| 01:55:48 | Chronon | webguest46: The questions were intended to see if your ISP is the weak link. If that's the case then a torrent probably won't help much. |
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| 01:59:42 | Soap | linuxstb, Bagder: How did you know that was me? |
| 01:59:51 | Soap | Sorry I didn't get that modded up higher. |
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| 02:00:25 | maxkelley | to boot into the previous firmware, I need to rename the sandisk firmware.mi4 to OF.mi4, and place it in SYSTEM, right? |
| 02:00:35 | Chronon | Soap: email address, I'm guessing. |
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| 02:00:54 | Soap | still, to put those two together. |
| 02:01:05 | Chronon | true |
| 02:01:11 | scorche | dmhall |
| 02:01:23 | Soap | is my alter-ego that well know? ;) |
| 02:01:29 | webguest46 | sorry, i didn't see the questions because i keep getting deisconnected for some reason |
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| 02:20:35 | webguest46 | i'm back |
| 02:31:16 | webguest46 | i have the torrent downloading and it is moving much faster. Thanks everyone |
| 02:31:31 | eigma | anyone know what the right syntax for new files is for those "$Id: pcm-coldfire.c....$" lines |
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| 02:31:55 | {NV}AimLXJ | Wow o.O |
| 02:32:02 | eigma | linuxstb: who is the pnx0101 porter? Linus Nielsen Feltzing? |
| 02:33:30 | linuxstb | No, Tomek Malesinski |
| 02:33:42 | eigma | I'll put the moved code under his (C) |
| 02:34:00 | linuxstb | Yes, sounds right. |
| 02:34:35 | linuxstb | BTW, how's your port going? |
| 02:36:01 | eigma | kkurbjun has barely gotten the bootloader working |
| 02:36:18 | eigma | our platf can only load a few KB straight from the orig firmware |
| 02:36:22 | Llorean | What port is this? |
| 02:36:23 | eigma | so we might do a two-stage load |
| 02:36:26 | eigma | m:robe 500i |
| 02:36:30 | Llorean | Ah, right |
| 02:38:08 | {NV}AimLXJ | Can someone help me? |
| 02:38:23 | scorche | only if you ask a question... |
| 02:38:59 | {NV}AimLXJ | Well, I'm using a Sansa E260 player and it takes so long to recharge with the original firmware, howcome? |
| 02:39:15 | advcomp2019 | how long |
| 02:39:24 | {NV}AimLXJ | Aobve 6 hours |
| 02:39:58 | Llorean | This isn't really a place for questions about the original firmware, though. |
| 02:40:17 | {NV}AimLXJ | I know but after I installed RockBox the recharging takes so long. |
| 02:40:50 | Llorean | Try uninstalling Rockbox and seeing if the charging still takes long, them. |
| 02:40:51 | Llorean | then |
| 02:41:04 | {NV}AimLXJ | But I wanna keep my RockBox :O |
| 02:41:31 | Llorean | Yes but you should verify whether it's Rockbox causing the problem... |
| 02:42:13 | linuxstb | eigma: So how do you run code? Some kind of exploit in the original firmware? |
| 02:42:52 | {NV}AimLXJ | Does the bootloader have to do with anything? |
| 02:43:17 | {NV}AimLXJ | Because from a majority on people over a forum has the same problem. |
| 02:43:26 | {NV}AimLXJ | on=of* |
| 02:43:59 | Llorean | {NV}AimLXJ: Well, someone who's experiencing the problem needs to do proper testing, and fill in a proper bug report afterward. |
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| 02:52:31 | eigma | linuxstb: shirour, one of the original developers on the m:robe, modified a firmware image to execute code out of an SVG file |
| 02:53:44 | linuxstb | That was nice of him... ;) |
| 02:53:49 | eigma | hehe |
| 02:53:52 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 02:54:01 | linuxstb | I assume he isn't an Olympus employee any more then? |
| 02:54:09 | eigma | hahaha |
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| 02:57:43 | Jasen | hi |
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| 03:03:06 | eigma | was he expecting a welcoming committee? |
| 03:03:40 | linuxstb | He stayed longer than some people do... |
| 03:04:08 | wookey__ | ones who have failed to grok irc |
| 03:08:36 | maxkelley | I can't get graphics for wps's to work on the c200. |
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| 03:12:40 | linuxstb | maxkelley: Can you get them to work on other targets? |
| 03:13:58 | alienbiker99 | is there to a way to see the 4 weeks of commits still? |
| 03:14:54 | linuxstb | The page is still in the same place, just not linked. |
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| 03:29:10 | saratoga | linuxstb: I can't remember, did I already ask you about APEV2 tags? |
| 03:29:58 | linuxstb | No |
| 03:30:12 | linuxstb | (not that I can remember at least...) |
| 03:30:57 | saratoga | ok then :) |
| 03:31:12 | saratoga | what was the reason the APEV2 for MP3 patch wasn't accepted ? |
| 03:31:40 | saratoga | I haven't found a good explination |
| 03:33:01 | linuxstb | IIUC, 1) There are philosphical objections - APE tags don't belong on MP3 files. 2) Plus technical - it shouldn't be necessary to perform extra seeks and disks reads to check for APE tags, but the fact that the id3 code is still in firmware/ and the ape code is in apps/ means they can't be unified easily. |
| 03:33:51 | saratoga | linuxstb: looking at it now, I don't believe it will cause an extra seek, since the patch seems to only look for APEv2 tags after a looking for ID3v1 |
| 03:34:14 | saratoga | since the APEV2 tag comes before the ID3v1 tag, it would already be in buffer |
| 03:34:40 | linuxstb | I thought apev2 tags are at the end of the file? |
| 03:34:51 | saratoga | yes, immediately before the ID3v1 tag |
| 03:35:01 | linuxstb | No, afterwards... |
| 03:35:11 | saratoga | no before |
| 03:35:18 | saratoga | ID3v1 is always the last 128 bytes of the file |
| 03:36:45 | Llorean | Do we always check for ID3v1, or only if v2 isn't found or "v1 before v2" is set for the priority? |
| 03:37:17 | saratoga | i think the current patch (if I understand it correctly) only searches for an APEv2 tag if ID3v2 fails |
| 03:38:04 | saratoga | so searching for an APEv2 tag should never happen seperately from an ID3v1 tag |
| 03:38:11 | linuxstb | It's been a long time since I looked at it, but doesn't the patch read the end of the file twice - once in id3.c and once in metadata.c ? |
| 03:38:43 | saratoga | linuxstb: do you mean metadata.c? |
| 03:39:51 | linuxstb | Yes... (as the code was before it was split). |
| 03:41:01 | saratoga | linuxstb: I couldn't remember if they were the same |
| 03:41:08 | saratoga | but no, it only reads the file in ape.c |
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| 03:41:25 | saratoga | although, all mp3 files without an ID3v2 tag would be searched for an APEv2 tag |
| 03:41:45 | saratoga | i suppose thats obvious though |
| 03:42:32 | saratoga | anyway the patch seems quite harmless to non-ape users |
| 03:42:51 | linuxstb | So there won't be any extra disk reads for non-ape users? |
| 03:42:52 | saratoga | it jsut does single read from a part of the file that must be in buffer, and branches back if nothing is found |
| 03:43:40 | linuxstb | get_metadata() does direct disk reads - not reads from the buffer. |
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| 03:44:46 | saratoga | linuxstb: heres the check |
| 03:44:47 | saratoga | (ecread(fd, &header, 1, APETAG_HEADER_FORMAT, IS_BIG_ENDIAN) != APETAG_HEADER_LENGTH) |
| 03:45:01 | saratoga | i assumed thats from the audio buffer, but if not, then it would be a problem |
| 03:45:55 | saratoga | || (memcmp(header.id, "APETAGEX", sizeof(header.id))) |
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| 03:46:08 | saratoga | (sorry, didn't realize that the second line didn't paste) |
| 03:46:16 | saratoga | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2598?getfile=14129 |
| 03:46:18 | linuxstb | No. Plus the same functions are used when building the database... |
| 03:47:51 | saratoga | linuxstb: ok that makes a lot of sense |
| 03:48:10 | saratoga | for some reason I thought tags were read directly from the audio buffer |
| 03:48:37 | linuxstb | No, and even if they were, tracks longer than the buffer wouldn't have the tags in RAM... |
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| 03:49:13 | linuxstb | get_metadata() is called independently to the file buffering - before the track is loaded, and in advance for the next track. |
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| 03:50:24 | saratoga | its not worth trying to run that seek out of the buffer if possible? |
| 03:50:58 | linuxstb | I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 03:51:27 | saratoga | sorry, I mean since we load tracks into the audio buffer anyway, why not read the metadata then |
| 03:51:39 | saratoga | in order to save that extra seek |
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| 03:52:09 | saratoga | or i suppose in the case of mp3, several seeks as you go through the tag flavors it supports |
| 03:52:23 | linuxstb | Because it's too late - you need the metadata before the end of the file is buffered. |
| 03:52:31 | linuxstb | (to display in the WPS). |
| 03:52:59 | saratoga | that makes sense |
| 03:53:21 | eigma | linuxstb: I'm having trouble reproducing this clean build: http://build.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=20070909T224748Z&type=iriver%20IFP7xx%20-%20Simulator ping me when you have a sec? |
| 03:53:27 | saratoga | so a proper apev2 patch must somehow do the check for the apev2 tag and the check for id3v1 at the same time? |
| 03:54:16 | linuxstb | saratoga: I believe so. But id3v1 tags are only checked for when there is no id3v2 tag... |
| 03:54:43 | eigma | linuxstb: shoot, nevermind |
| 03:54:57 | linuxstb | eigma: OK. |
| 03:56:24 | Llorean | ApeV2 tags would need another priority setting then. |
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| 04:01:52 | saratoga | linuxstb: I was thinking of simplying ignoring APEv2 tags if theres an ID3v2 tag present |
| 04:02:19 | saratoga | in that case its almost certainly just a left over tag from mp3gain |
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| 04:02:51 | saratoga | since virtually all real apev2 tag writers are id3v2 aware and strip the tags anyway |
| 04:04:12 | eigma | where can I find a list of the platform IDs for the columns on build.rockbox.org? |
| 04:04:51 | saratoga | anyway, i have to get some sleep |
| 04:05:01 | saratoga | i will look into this further another day |
| 04:05:04 | saratoga | thanks for the info |
| 04:06:49 | eigma | okay, actually, what I want to do is run a local build server just for myself to make sure that my changes don't break anything |
| 04:07:14 | Soap | I know APE isn't "supposed" to be on MP3, but one of the popular programs (Foobar) used to default to ID3v1 and APE instead of ID3v1 and ID3v2. |
| 04:07:47 | Soap | And yes, I know that just because someone else did it wrong doesn't mean Rockbox should do it wrong as well. |
| 04:07:50 | Llorean | Used to, though. |
| 04:07:52 | saratoga | and mp3gain still does unfortunately |
| 04:08:37 | saratoga | which is annoying, since the two apps that support replaygain on windows both support APEV2 |
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| 04:08:53 | Soap | Foobar 0.8.3 even went so far as to default to removing ID3v2 and replacing them with APE whenever a file operation was performed. |
| 04:09:32 | Soap | Foobar 0.8.3 even would write ID3v2 replaygain tags, you just had to turn off the APE default. |
| 04:09:36 | Llorean | Isn't ID3v1 vs v2 the only case where we have multiple tagging formats support? |
| 04:09:46 | * | Llorean use 0.8.3 w/ ID3v2 replaygain. :) |
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| 04:30:00 | eigma | where do I get acbuild.pl? |
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| 04:35:34 | eigma | Badger: ping |
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| 05:53:30 | chrisjs169 | eigma, what do you need acbuild for? |
| 05:54:53 | * | chrisjs169 has a copy |
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| 06:00:45 | eigma | I just wanted to see how it scripted configure |
| 06:00:51 | eigma | I ended up just rolling my own |
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| 06:28:32 | Aaron | Hey |
| 06:29:54 | Aaron | I'm working on learning C++ and I was wondering how it differs from C. Is C better for hardware that isn't running an operating system? |
| 06:30:18 | eigma | C is traditionally used for OS code |
| 06:30:25 | scorche | i would suggest you join a channel such as #c for that |
| 06:30:43 | eigma | actually, that makes a lot of sense |
| 06:31:18 | Aaron | Alright, well I just wanted to confirm that C++ couldn't be used with Rockbox |
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| 06:41:39 | Aaron | scorche - Have you ever come across any online resources that explain how to go about learning how to interact with basic hardware, like a Hello World tutorial for an Ipod. |
| 06:42:59 | scorche | i very much doubt that one exists...there is much involved in the matter including getting your code to run, being able to write to the lcd, etc |
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| 08:04:18 | docgonzo | hello again. |
| 08:04:30 | docgonzo | anyone alive in here tonight? |
| 08:04:38 | eigma | *yawn* |
| 08:04:46 | docgonzo | ::cheer:: |
| 08:04:58 | docgonzo | how you doing today/night? |
| 08:05:08 | eigma | good, good |
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| 08:20:30 | GodEater | tumbleweed a plenty this morning I see |
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| 08:30:24 | docgonzo | i was wondering about the themes and graphics for rockbox. |
| 08:30:50 | docgonzo | i have a sansa e200-series player and i was wondering if there are graphics like the original mfg firmware. |
| 08:31:27 | GodEater | docgonzo: I don't think so |
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| 08:32:35 | docgonzo | b/c the base install i did is blk/white lcd-style and pretty boring :-) |
| 08:32:52 | scorche | there are many other themes to choose from |
| 08:32:53 | GodEater | correct |
| 08:33:14 | * | GodEater curses the forums slowing down just as he was going to reply |
| 08:34:13 | advcomp2019 | there is a themes in the extra area am i right |
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| 08:34:48 | GodEater | "extra area" ? |
| 08:35:00 | GodEater | oh - no - that's just the font pack |
| 08:35:14 | hermonski | i would like the honor of asking today's stupid question, if i may |
| 08:35:28 | advcomp2019 | this page... http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras |
| 08:35:38 | LinusN | hermonski: just ask |
| 08:35:59 | GodEater | advcomp2019: you need the font pack for most themes to look as their author intends |
| 08:36:14 | hermonski | none of the current distros will work on the newly-released ipod classic, correct? |
| 08:36:33 | GodEater | hermonski: correct |
| 08:36:42 | advcomp2019 | o ok did not know because i have not played with rockbox yet |
| 08:36:43 | GodEater | hermonski: and aren't likely to for a very very long time |
| 08:36:51 | scorche | (we call them builds for different targets) |
| 08:37:15 | docgonzo | looking through the themes section right now, thanks |
| 08:37:22 | hermonski | builds, sorry. |
| 08:37:34 | docgonzo | any good information for making your own themes or altering someone else's? |
| 08:37:38 | GodEater | hermonski: it's not a particularly dumb question. I'm disappointed ;) |
| 08:37:48 | scorche | docgonzo: there are a few guides in the wiki |
| 08:38:22 | hermonski | GodEater: lol, i always feel like a n00b asking basic questions, so like to apologise in advance for possible stupidity :) |
| 08:40:33 | GodEater | hermonski: well, it wasn't stupid, but it *has* been answered a lot on the rockbox forums in the last week or so... |
| 08:41:10 | hermonski | ah, substitute 'stupid' for 'annoying' then |
| 08:41:24 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 08:43:41 | * | GodEater notes that Toshiba have now managed to cram 120GB on a single platter 1.8" drive apparently |
| 08:44:08 | * | scorche notes that is the third time it has been brought up in here |
| 08:44:30 | scorche | (slashdot carries news slowly) |
| 08:45:31 | hermonski | is there a particular reason there won't be a version for the classic "for a very very long time"? (i haven't been able to connect to the forums all day, keep getting a 'server busy' error, so aplogies for not searching there first) |
| 08:45:53 | scorche | hermonski: it requires an entirely new port |
| 08:46:02 | hermonski | ah. thank you |
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| 08:50:26 | GodEater | hermonski: in brief, it's entirely new hardware, so although cosmetically similar to previous ipods on the outside, it's NOTHING like them on the inside. This hardware is completely undocumented. We're also working on the assumption that Apple have encrypted their own firmware on it too, as they did with the 2nd Gen Nano, which makes reverse engineering nigh on impossible. |
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| 08:56:21 | hermonski | GodEater: many thanks for that. it's a shame really, as i know i'm not the only one who will not buy an ipod because of the awful software it uses (not to mention having to run itunes, ugh). can't fully figure the logic there, but it seems to erap them plenty of financial rewards |
| 08:56:38 | hermonski | ^reap |
| 08:57:13 | LinusN | hermonski: you underestimate the power of sheep herding |
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| 08:59:56 | circusbear | hello? |
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| 09:00:10 | LinusN | moshi moshi |
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| 09:00:43 | hermonski | i really wish i didn't. i just can't believe that not one developer at apple at some point paused and said 'you know, maybe we're forcing people to use this thing in only one particular way, that isn't overly friendly' |
| 09:01:37 | hermonski | guess i'd better start MY OWN mp3 company and out-sell ipods. that'll show them |
| 09:02:09 | circusbear | Im having trouble loading rockbox onto my player] |
| 09:02:19 | LinusN | circusbear: which model? |
| 09:02:37 | LinusN | hermonski: good luck with that :-) |
| 09:02:42 | scorche | circusbear: what trouble are you having? |
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| 09:03:23 | circusbear | e206r |
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| 09:04:07 | LinusN | circusbear: you are a brave man trying to install on the r model ;-) |
| 09:04:26 | circusbear | sanspatcher dosn't find my player |
| 09:04:38 | scorche | circusbear: you must follow the instructions in the wiki |
| 09:04:46 | B4gder | *EXACTLY* |
| 09:04:47 | circusbear | after extracting .rockbox into the player directory |
| 09:04:50 | GodEater | as I said in my reply to your post on the forums... |
| 09:05:01 | LinusN | circusbear: are you sure your player is set to MSC mode? |
| 09:05:20 | circusbear | whats wrong with this model? |
| 09:05:22 | scorche | be be warned...read all of it before you try, and if you are uncomfortable with any of it, do not install it as the recovery procedure is just as hard as installing rockbox |
| 09:05:30 | docgonzo | hm... when i plug in my sansa to my winxp box, the player shows the USB cable-icon, but windows doesn't make any attempt to detect it... |
| 09:05:53 | B4gder | circusbear: it is... slightly different |
| 09:05:53 | scorche | docgonzo: you must boot into the OF to connect |
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| 09:05:59 | docgonzo | rockbox didn't seem that hard to install on the sansa player. |
| 09:06:13 | B4gder | don't confuse e200 with e200R |
| 09:06:15 | scorche | docgonzo: it is a different procedure for the Rs |
| 09:06:15 | B4gder | notice the R |
| 09:06:18 | docgonzo | AH... the OF firmware. how do you select which to boot when you first turn on the player. |
| 09:06:27 | scorche | hold << |
| 09:06:29 | docgonzo | yea, the e200 is pretty straight-forward from what i read/did. |
| 09:06:41 | docgonzo | the type -R for rahpsody, right? |
| 09:06:46 | docgonzo | **rhapsody |
| 09:06:52 | advcomp2019 | yep |
| 09:07:07 | docgonzo | i'm sure it's got some special DRM-crap for it, or something, right? |
| 09:07:24 | B4gder | exactly |
| 09:07:34 | LinusN | circusbear: what instructions did you follow? |
| 09:07:41 | docgonzo | scorche: how do you choose which firmware to boot at the player startup/boot? |
| 09:07:48 | circusbear | so where does it talk about how to instal with r |
| 09:07:50 | LinusN | these? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromWindows |
| 09:08:05 | scorche | docgonzo: i just told you |
| 09:08:17 | scorche | LinusN: no no! |
| 09:08:23 | LinusN | no? |
| 09:08:35 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation |
| 09:08:40 | scorche | link to that one first =) |
| 09:08:47 | GodEater | yeah, definitely don't start with the windows ones |
| 09:08:48 | advcomp2019 | in the forum circusbear says he has mac os |
| 09:09:06 | scorche | we already had one person do that step without the first step, and i dont wish for that to happen again |
| 09:09:16 | LinusN | i see |
| 09:09:47 | docgonzo | ah... i see; sorry, i thought it was a typographical error. |
| 09:10:00 | scorche | circusbear: follow my link and pay attention to that red text ;) |
| 09:11:21 | hermonski | thanks for answering my questions all. enjoy. :) |
| 09:11:37 | circusbear | can I do that first part on my mac? |
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| 09:12:09 | scorche | circusbear: good question... |
| 09:12:37 | scorche | i guess we will have to have someone test that.. |
| 09:12:55 | scorche | linuxstb: do you know if anyone has tried e200tool on a mac? |
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| 09:14:32 | circusbear | I dont think I can do the linux part |
| 09:14:40 | docgonzo | i'm running that video test on teh wiki with the elephant_dream mpeg. |
| 09:14:44 | scorche | then dont try =) |
| 09:14:46 | docgonzo | good stuff. neat animation. |
| 09:14:59 | GodEater | circusbear: if you can't do it, then you can't run rockbox on your sansa, so don't do any of the steps at all |
| 09:15:01 | docgonzo | i haven't tried to mount this player on my linux notebook. |
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| 09:15:49 | docgonzo | i got my ipod_mini to mount and read/write without trouble. i haven't tried it with the rockbox firmware... ::thinks:: maybe it would be worth trying on that player |
| 09:16:26 | GodEater | it won't mount whilst running rockbox, it'll just reboot into disk mode |
| 09:17:06 | docgonzo | so you will still need to boot the original firmware to access the disk? |
| 09:17:13 | circusbear | Could you work on a zip that has all that done |
| 09:17:13 | scorche | yes |
| 09:17:18 | GodEater | docgonzo: currently yes |
| 09:17:24 | circusbear | then you can extract it |
| 09:17:38 | GodEater | circusbear: if by "zip" you mean, "an easier install process", then yes - we are |
| 09:17:54 | GodEater | circusbear: we only got the R series working with Rockbox last week - it's still early days |
| 09:18:12 | B4gder | zip is short for "ze iiieser process" :-) |
| 09:21:28 | LinusN | B4gder: go stand in the corner |
| 09:21:58 | * | B4gder selects the shiny corner without the bars on the window |
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| 09:22:39 | GodEater | we have windows in here ? |
| 09:22:50 | * | GodEater thought this was a linux only channel |
| 09:22:50 | * | petur looks away |
| 09:22:52 | GodEater | boom boom |
| 09:23:02 | JdGordon | tish |
| 09:23:03 | * | GodEater elects to stand in the corner opposite BAgder |
| 09:23:06 | JdGordon | you forgot the tish.. |
| 09:23:11 | JdGordon | silly bugger |
| 09:23:17 | GodEater | JdGordon: I knew you'd supply it for me ;) |
| 09:23:31 | * | petur woners why JdGordon needs a table |
| 09:23:36 | petur | *wonders |
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| 09:24:04 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 09:24:23 | JdGordon | petur: which language is tish table? |
| 09:24:29 | petur | German |
| 09:24:34 | docgonzo | ok, 12:30am here in California,USA. I'm heading off to join the woman in bed. good night and thank you for all the help! |
| 09:24:38 | JdGordon | ok, that would make sense |
| 09:24:58 | GodEater | +v is the poor humour award for today |
| 09:25:01 | JdGordon | docgonzo: pics or it didnt happen :p |
| 09:25:10 | docgonzo | :-) |
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| 09:25:41 | docgonzo | yea, i think tonight we're gonna slip in and doze off... she's been studying for generals and i've got the office in the morning :-) |
| 09:25:54 | in-jane | how's it going with the USB support for Sansa e200 series? May i expect it to work in future? |
| 09:26:02 | scorche | GodEater: something like that... |
| 09:26:08 | GodEater | in-jane: expecting it to work is a good bet |
| 09:26:16 | GodEater | in-jane: as for when, that's a different question |
| 09:26:38 | docgonzo | and i've got my Beer Judge Certification Program tuesday night in LA :-) 6 weeks, then the national beer judge exam, and i'll be a certified judge :-) |
| 09:26:41 | in-jane | ok. nice! |
| 09:27:07 | * | petur bows |
| 09:27:19 | docgonzo | we just finished bottling 5 gallons of raspberry lambic this weekend and cleaned up the kitchen ::grin:: i love a woman that helps me homebrew. |
| 09:27:23 | petur | but at least we got all the nice beers :p |
| 09:27:45 | scorche | docgonzo: where in CA? =P |
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| 09:27:52 | docgonzo | We're in Santa Barbara |
| 09:27:56 | pixelma | petur: that would have been a Tisch ;) |
| 09:28:10 | ddalton | LinusN: around? |
| 09:28:15 | petur | pixelma: I know, but close enough ;) |
| 09:28:26 | LinusN | ddalton: sort of |
| 09:28:33 | scorche | docgonzo: ack... |
| 09:28:41 | ddalton | LinusN: how did you go with that alarm patch? |
| 09:28:48 | GodEater | ack ? |
| 09:28:55 | LinusN | haven't worked on it since last time |
| 09:28:57 | docgonzo | Next week we're thinking of starting a Boddington's clone or some other type of English Bitter -esq. something lighter and crisper than the last two batches we've done. |
| 09:29:13 | scorche | ack as in too far for me to drive for beer |
| 09:29:19 | ddalton | ok any ideas on what I could do to get it working properly? |
| 09:29:45 | docgonzo | when i first moved out here a few months ago, i started a traditional meade. it's at about 10%abv and we got 9 750ml bottles left to age out for a bit, then the 5gallons of raspberry lambic that we bottled this weekend. |
| 09:30:05 | LinusN | ddalton: not really |
| 09:30:08 | docgonzo | back home in FL i had a 5gallon corney keg of a newcastle clone i brewed. i had to dump most of it before i left. |
| 09:30:18 | docgonzo | *mead |
| 09:30:20 | * | JdGordon wonders if docgonzo knows this is a on-topic channel |
| 09:30:23 | docgonzo | :-) |
| 09:30:24 | docgonzo | sorry. |
| 09:30:31 | scorche | beer is always on-topic... |
| 09:30:34 | LinusN | :-) |
| 09:30:36 | petur | yup ;) |
| 09:30:41 | JdGordon | haha |
| 09:30:41 | docgonzo | i'll go to rockbox-community next time ;-) |
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| 09:30:50 | JdGordon | woohoo! |
| 09:30:52 | petur | lol |
| 09:30:56 | LinusN | BeerBox |
| 09:31:01 | GodEater | one corner left kids |
| 09:31:13 | docgonzo | i figured beer and late late nights molesting partially-beta firmware on expensive DAP go hand-in-hand |
| 09:31:17 | scorche | docgonzo: well, if you ever are in a mood to share, i am about 2 hours 17 min away =) |
| 09:31:35 | GodEater | scorche: get a faster car |
| 09:31:37 | docgonzo | :-) scorche, you're welcome to come to SBCA and we'll down a few pints. |
| 09:31:44 | docgonzo | where in CA are you? |
| 09:31:49 | B4gder | 9:31am here, at work, perfect time for beer! ;-P |
| 09:31:49 | scorche | costa mesa |
| 09:31:59 | docgonzo | N or S of SB ? |
| 09:32:13 | docgonzo | i'm kinda familiar with SB to LA (not to much outside of that area). |
| 09:32:16 | * | GodEater is currently down a caffeinated beer known colloquially as "coffee" |
| 09:32:46 | docgonzo | coffee? i used that to clean my pistol brass. cleans real nice and leaves a glossy shine to 'em. |
| 09:32:48 | scorche | http://maps.google.com/maps?q=santa+barbara,+CA+to+costa+mesa,+ca&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl |
| 09:33:12 | GodEater | docgonzo: I suspect not this particular brew |
| 09:33:15 | GodEater | it's more like tar :) |
| 09:33:49 | docgonzo | scorche - oh , cool. i have a friend who works for ticketmaster in their coding/design office off wilshire and lives in/around hawthorne. |
| 09:34:01 | docgonzo | he's a linux-nerd, too |
| 09:34:14 | scorche | see...now we are straying off-topic |
| 09:34:31 | LinusN | i don't really want to spoil the fun, but i really think we should stay on topic |
| 09:34:40 | docgonzo | GodEater: nothing like the smell of coffee and HoppeNo9 in the morning. |
| 09:34:44 | docgonzo | ok... rockbox |
| 09:34:46 | docgonzo | rockbox |
| 09:34:53 | docgonzo | rockbox rockbox.... rockbox? |
| 09:34:56 | docgonzo | ::grin:: |
| 09:34:57 | scorche | docgonzo: feel free to join #rockbox-community and continue |
| 09:35:58 | docgonzo | ok. i'm feeling free to join #mywomaninbed. I thank you all for your help and conversation. Catch y'all on the flipside, guys. |
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| 09:43:48 | kasba | bip |
| 09:43:53 | LinusN | blop |
| 09:44:52 | kasba | is it possible to use my rockbox running on ipod 5G with ext3 FS instead of FAT32 ? |
| 09:45:00 | scorche | no |
| 09:45:20 | kasba | :(( grrrrr |
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| 09:52:30 | pondlife | Quick question - does the website still have a page for the last 4 weeks commits? |
| 09:52:40 | B4gder | yes, although not linked-to atm |
| 09:52:49 | pondlife | Hmm, that was my most-used page |
| 09:52:58 | B4gder | http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html |
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| 10:00:59 | pondlife | Has there been much discussion about the home page? If so, which date? Don't want to rehash stuff... |
| 10:01:27 | scorche | pondlife: it has mostly been met with a "talk to zagor" |
| 10:02:02 | * | pondlife will talk to Zagor then |
| 10:02:18 | pondlife | Zagor: Any chance of reverting to the old home page ;) |
| 10:02:45 | JdGordon | anyone know which mailing list zagor watches? prob not a good idea if everyone talks to him speratly.. |
| 10:03:07 | * | GodEater prefers the new page |
| 10:03:15 | scorche | JdGordon and i were thinking possibly the committers list, but we dont knwo if he watches it... |
| 10:03:25 | scorche | GodEater: oh, i do too...it just needs a few adjustments |
| 10:03:32 | pondlife | I like it all being on there, but would prefer the old subversion table (with comments) |
| 10:03:41 | scorche | mostly in the SVN table |
| 10:03:46 | pondlife | And prefer the tables to be below each other, not side-by-side. |
| 10:04:01 | GodEater | makes the page too long |
| 10:04:08 | morrijr | could they not be 'floated'? |
| 10:04:17 | GodEater | I prefer it like this, and a link to each for more detail |
| 10:04:20 | JdGordon | and the recent.html page should have bookmarks things so the links on the frontpage dont all link to the top of hte page |
| 10:04:22 | pondlife | Hmm, don't know what resolution you use, but I have to scroll both ways now |
| 10:04:50 | GodEater | 1280x1024 |
| 10:04:54 | scorche | make the SVN table as it was before, and i am largely fine |
| 10:04:57 | morrijr | pondlife: if they were floated then they'd stack if you've not got room |
| 10:05:31 | pondlife | Try it at 800x600... |
| 10:05:34 | morrijr | except for the fact that it's a very heavy table layout :( |
| 10:05:42 | scorche | pondlife: eek...really? |
| 10:05:46 | GodEater | pondlife: I wouldn't dream of it |
| 10:05:50 | GodEater | that's a daft res to run |
| 10:05:52 | morrijr | with nested tables :( |
| 10:06:01 | pondlife | Oh, yes. I'm seriously not good in the eyesight dept. |
| 10:06:04 | GodEater | morrijr: no-one uses nested tables any more :) |
| 10:06:08 | aliask | And at 1280 there's a big gap on the side |
| 10:06:14 | GodEater | pondlife: get a bigger monitor! |
| 10:06:17 | morrijr | GodEater: take a look at the code... |
| 10:06:25 | GodEater | morrijr: hence the ":)" |
| 10:06:33 | morrijr | ah |
| 10:06:52 | GodEater | morrijr: it *should* be done with <div> tags |
| 10:06:54 | pondlife | I'll try 1280x1024 - my monitors are capable of it. |
| 10:07:11 | morrijr | GodEater: agreed. I thought it was when I first saw it |
| 10:07:27 | GodEater | Zagor is a self confessed non-webpage designer though |
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| 10:07:59 | JdGordon | im just waiting for the usual "submit a patch" reply |
| 10:08:06 | pixelma | funny that a lot people now discuss the other way round... when talking to Zagor Friday night, a lot agreed that the new page doesn't look good on larger resolutions... |
| 10:08:09 | k-man_ | i want to get rockbox to read the ipod files/database |
| 10:08:12 | k-man_ | how do i enable that? |
| 10:08:30 | aliask | Someone needs to make an AJAX web 2.0 streaming live update frontpage :) |
| 10:08:32 | GodEater | k-man_: it won't read the ipod database |
| 10:08:40 | pondlife | Hmm, at 1280x1024 it looks better laid out. Pity the font sizes are fixed (or don't follow whatever IE does when you specify "Largest" font). |
| 10:08:43 | GodEater | k-man_: but you can get it to read the ipod files - just look in the manual |
| 10:08:47 | scorche | pixelma: it has a bit of empty space in 1600x1200 |
| 10:08:48 | JdGordon | pixelma: at 1680x1050 it looks pretty bad |
| 10:09:02 | scorche | but as long as teh SVN table is back tot he way it was, i am happy |
| 10:09:15 | pixelma | in my eyes it already looks bad at 1280x1024... |
| 10:09:25 | k-man_ | GodEater: oh, ok |
| 10:09:48 | pixelma | and I've been told "just don't browse full-screen"... |
| 10:10:00 | pondlife | If the tables were below each other, and just used the entire width, that would be KISS too. Sponsors could go back on the right too... (almost back the old layout though!) |
| 10:10:37 | k-man_ | GodEater: ok, ill check that |
| 10:10:41 | JdGordon | also, shouldnt the recent posts from the forum go on the frontpage also? |
| 10:10:49 | GodEater | too much information all on the front page is not KISS |
| 10:11:00 | pixelma | pondlife: read Friday evening's (early Saturday's) log |
| 10:11:06 | pondlife | Will do |
| 10:11:30 | k-man_ | GodEater: what section should i look in for info on that? |
| 10:11:50 | GodEater | k-man_: Database |
| 10:11:53 | k-man_ | ok |
| 10:12:35 | JdGordon | speaking of advetising... B4gder did anyhing happen with your planned ads? |
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| 10:12:51 | k-man_ | so i loaded a whole bunch of songs onto the ipod using itunes, should i just run the update now so that rockbox finds them? |
| 10:12:52 | pondlife | GodEater: I wouldn't object to removing the tables from the front page completely - just have the top 5 MajorChanges/news items maybe? Sooper-simple. |
| 10:13:05 | GodEater | pondlife: that would be nicer I think |
| 10:13:31 | GodEater | for everyone that wants to see all those tables, having the page they're on as a favourite wouldn't be too onerous I don't think |
| 10:13:41 | GodEater | but I don't think it's great to have them all on the front page |
| 10:13:42 | pondlife | Then have a recent changes page like the current home page, but with the data laid out like before (i.e. SVN comments) |
| 10:13:49 | GodEater | but last time I ventured that opinion Llorean shouted at me :) |
| 10:14:06 | pondlife | Currently it's neither simpler nor more useful (to me) |
| 10:14:14 | pondlife | But I'll read the logs and re-understand. |
| 10:14:47 | pixelma | for people who prefer the last version of the "old look" http://www.rockbox.org/main_old.shtml ;:P |
| 10:14:48 | pondlife | I don't (yet) use a screen reader, but wonder how well JAWS would cope with the current layout. |
| 10:14:54 | Llorean | GodEater: Which opinion? |
| 10:15:05 | GodEater | Llorean: that we should have a more user friendly front page :) |
| 10:15:09 | pondlife | pixelma: Thanks! |
| 10:15:13 | GodEater | less developer focused |
| 10:15:14 | Llorean | I'm all for more user friendly |
| 10:15:34 | GodEater | I wish I'd kept the logs - but you most definitely didn't have that opinion last time the subject came up |
| 10:15:39 | pondlife | Two front pages, one for users (ww.rockbox.org) and one for devs? |
| 10:15:42 | Llorean | I ust don't think that less developer focused is a necessary corollary to it. |
| 10:16:07 | JdGordon | pondlife: the dev frontpage just needs the svn changlog on the build table page |
| 10:17:02 | * | GodEater thinks the now empty top right corner should feature a nice screenshot of Rockbox in action |
| 10:17:13 | pondlife | I don't think the mailing list needs to be on any front page really; it's already very accessible via mail/news/RSS. |
| 10:17:29 | pondlife | Plus the web (or course) |
| 10:17:51 | Llorean | I think the SVN commits are 100% useless without comments, as developers will want to know why those files changed, and users will either make random guesses, or just not care. |
| 10:18:06 | GodEater | I think the latter for users |
| 10:18:20 | GodEater | I'd like to see the forums have an RSS feed to |
| 10:18:20 | Llorean | GodEater: Depends on the user |
| 10:18:28 | GodEater | 95% of users then |
| 10:18:37 | JdGordon | even users would find the commit message more useful than just the file changed |
| 10:18:38 | Llorean | We've got enough people who speak up any time ipodpatcher.c changes, or whatever. |
| 10:19:07 | GodEater | are we still estimating about 30,000 users ? |
| 10:19:20 | Llorean | No clue |
| 10:19:24 | pondlife | Users would find the comments useful, but not the filenames, I'd think. |
| 10:19:27 | * | GodEater seems to recall this figure mentioned recently |
| 10:19:36 | gammy | I think I count as two or three . |
| 10:19:43 | GodEater | pondlife: you think "Oops" is useful ? :) |
| 10:19:44 | gammy | Considering how much I like it ^_^ |
| 10:19:58 | pondlife | GodEater: Yes! It means don't download! |
| 10:20:04 | GodEater | hehe |
| 10:20:16 | GodEater | pondlife: no it doesn't - it means don't download the commit from before the oops surely ? |
| 10:20:17 | scorche | GodEater: that was a random number i pulled out of...well...somewhere, but it is my guess (likely way off) |
| 10:20:29 | pondlife | That's what I mean |
| 10:20:37 | GodEater | I think it's a reasonable guess |
| 10:20:57 | JdGordon | GodEater: we dont really have all that many oops commits.... |
| 10:20:58 | Llorean | GodEater: http://forums.rockbox.org//index.php?type=rss;action=.xml;limit=20 |
| 10:21:14 | GodEater | Llorean: neat - it was already there and I didn't know ? |
| 10:21:26 | Llorean | Yeah, I didn't know until 2 minutes ago |
| 10:21:40 | Llorean | GodEater: http://www.scribbledesigns.co.uk/2007/01/23/get-rss-feeds-for-any-simple-machines-forum/ |
| 10:21:49 | Llorean | You can customize the URL a bit to add various constraints or whatnot |
| 10:22:13 | JdGordon | $ svn log | grep oops | wc -l |
| 10:22:13 | JdGordon | 191 |
| 10:22:15 | JdGordon | :p |
| 10:22:29 | * | GodEater adds it to google reader |
| 10:22:38 | GodEater | JdGordon: "grep -i" please |
| 10:22:58 | JdGordon | 336 |
| 10:23:06 | GodEater | that's better :) |
| 10:23:08 | JdGordon | -i is case insensitive i guess? |
| 10:23:13 | GodEater | yes |
| 10:23:23 | GodEater | and now your typos please "Ops" and "Ooops" ? |
| 10:23:25 | GodEater | :) |
| 10:23:31 | Llorean | I think the front page could settle for four things: A paragraph describing what Rockbox is/does (shortened Why Rockbox) including a link to the players it runs on, MajorChanges, News, and Sponsors. |
| 10:23:39 | petur | and add to that 'fix red', 'fix yellow', ... |
| 10:23:54 | Llorean | At the very bottom of the front page could also be the actual SVN commits, out of sight of any "user" who doesn't scroll down |
| 10:24:01 | GodEater | petur: lets have that as a proper regexp then |
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| 10:24:16 | GodEater | I still think we should include a screenshot too |
| 10:24:33 | GodEater | possibly a randomly selected one from "themes" that changes whenever someone visits :) |
| 10:24:43 | pondlife | I agree. But maybe after we've updated the default theme :) |
| 10:24:49 | petur | let's make an animated gif from some themes.... |
| 10:24:52 | Llorean | GodEater: Above the sponsors, top right corner? |
| 10:24:58 | GodEater | yep |
| 10:25:02 | pondlife | petur: No animation, please. |
| 10:25:19 | GodEater | pondlife: no no - not after we've updated the default theme. That means "Never" :) |
| 10:25:23 | * | JdGordon fails @ regexp |
| 10:25:26 | pondlife | Hence my :) |
| 10:25:48 | pondlife | Seriously, some dictator should just update the default theme. |
| 10:26:02 | JdGordon | GodEater: thats what I was tihnking, a random screeny would be cool |
| 10:26:05 | GodEater | yeah - it's clear democracy is not needed there |
| 10:26:13 | GodEater | it just fails completely |
| 10:26:14 | pondlife | I have no strong opinion other than the current one is unimpressive. |
| 10:26:25 | GodEater | unimpressive is a kind thing to say about it :) |
| 10:26:30 | pondlife | Indeed |
| 10:26:37 | * | JdGordon likes the cabbie theme |
| 10:26:51 | GodEater | "massively underwhelming" would be my choice |
| 10:26:58 | JdGordon | if we want the default to look about the same on most targets |
| 10:27:05 | * | GodEater wonders if *anyone* keeps the default except blind people |
| 10:27:20 | pondlife | amiconn? |
| 10:27:22 | pondlife | :) |
| 10:27:24 | GodEater | hehehe |
| 10:27:26 | GodEater | ssssh |
| 10:27:57 | aliask | I think the default theme should at LEAST have the peakmeters removed on swcodecs |
| 10:28:04 | * | pondlife updates his sim with jhMikeS and amiconn's good work |
| 10:28:08 | * | petur wonders why icatcher never made it to default - it exists for most targets |
| 10:28:16 | JdGordon | aliask: why? they arnt a problem on all targets |
| 10:28:17 | Llorean | aliask: Why, they work on 6 of the swcodec targets, at least |
| 10:28:18 | GodEater | yeah, iCatcher is a good enough default |
| 10:28:25 | * | pondlife agrees |
| 10:28:32 | GodEater | Llorean: but they suck :) |
| 10:28:39 | aliask | Because I get CPU issues on my ipod mini on high bitrate files |
| 10:28:51 | JdGordon | btw, are we talking about a new hard coded default? or just a default for the config file? |
| 10:28:57 | Llorean | aliask: And the iPod (or portalplayer in general) suffers from "performance problems" |
| 10:28:58 | pondlife | People who want peak meters can easily select a new theme. |
| 10:29:18 | GodEater | they don't seem a popular choice for inclusion by most theme authors |
| 10:29:19 | petur | JdGordon: default for config file |
| 10:29:32 | JdGordon | ok then, goodd :) |
| 10:29:36 | Llorean | GodEater: I honestly think that's because they're not themable, and the majority of themes are made for iPods. |
| 10:29:50 | petur | GodEater: because they are ugly? |
| 10:29:54 | Llorean | GodEater: I've seen several requests for them to be vertical, or other things like that. |
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| 10:30:06 | JdGordon | the default should maybe look as close to the OF as possible.. so we can convert people and they wont realise :p |
| 10:30:13 | GodEater | all those are good reasons to remove them from the default IMHO |
| 10:30:18 | aliask | JdGordon: I disagree |
| 10:30:28 | GodEater | I disagree with that too |
| 10:30:43 | aliask | Or are you trying to go for the "install it on peoples mp3 players while they aren't looking" approach? |
| 10:30:50 | Llorean | I think that whatever theme is chosen as the default, peakmeters shouldn't really factor in beyond "how do they look as part of it" |
| 10:30:54 | pondlife | The RB virus? |
| 10:30:58 | amiconn | GodEater: I keep the default on most of my targets because (1) I'm too lazy to make my own wps and (2) imo none of the shipped or posted wps'es are better than the default |
| 10:31:09 | pondlife | Hmm, iCatcher seems set up for Album Art, no? |
| 10:31:15 | amiconn | I just select a somewhat larger (and proportional) font |
| 10:31:17 | GodEater | I think I owe pondlife a fiver |
| 10:31:34 | GodEater | not that I was really betting against him |
| 10:31:59 | pondlife | I'll arm wrestle you for that fiver |
| 10:32:06 | GodEater | k |
| 10:32:10 | pondlife | Grnnnnnnnnn |
| 10:32:15 | GodEater | gloves off this time, I'm not giving you a head start |
| 10:32:16 | amiconn | And I like wps'es that include peakmeters |
| 10:32:24 | pondlife | Mmmmrrfff |
| 10:32:29 | GodEater | *yawn* |
| 10:32:30 | pondlife | <click> |
| 10:32:42 | pondlife | OK, just dislocated this time. |
| 10:32:44 | pondlife | Not so bad. |
| 10:32:49 | GodEater | nice, I'll put that back in for you |
| 10:32:53 | * | pondlife clicks it back in. |
| 10:33:17 | amiconn | At least the default has all info I want, and doesn't take ages to load |
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| 10:33:38 | GodEater | define ages ? |
| 10:33:48 | pondlife | amiconn: You'd be free to have that still. But it's the reaction of new users that concerns me. |
| 10:34:17 | pondlife | I've failed to convert 2 friends now, it's quite unfortunate (for them, mainly) |
| 10:34:38 | pondlife | One primarily on the UI, one on the iPod battery life, really. |
| 10:34:45 | amiconn | On 2nd gen I use iCatcher because peakmeters aren't so good on PP5002. But iCatcher is annoying in several respects: (1) excessive load time (2) the graphical format indicators mess up (3) no disk indicator |
| 10:34:46 | * | GodEater wonders if that's more to do with pondlife spouting on about all the bugs in playback.c |
| 10:34:58 | pondlife | Hah, no. I keep quiet about them |
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| 10:35:10 | GodEater | nearly un-converted me when you did |
| 10:35:11 | GodEater | :) |
| 10:35:19 | JdGordon | hang on... if we ship with default themes... do we want all targets to look the same-ish? |
| 10:35:23 | pondlife | You're a dev, you should be able to take it. |
| 10:35:30 | pondlife | JdGordon: Yes |
| 10:35:33 | GodEater | well given I hadn't even noticed them - yes :) |
| 10:35:35 | pondlife | But with sensible font sizes |
| 10:35:39 | Llorean | JdGordon: there's two kinds of "same". Same image, but scaled, or same style. |
| 10:35:42 | JdGordon | that limits our options a fair bit then |
| 10:35:43 | Llorean | I'd lean toward same style |
| 10:36:14 | pondlife | The Player will probably be excluded from any change... |
| 10:36:21 | JdGordon | amiconn: for a default I dont think load time is a big deal.. more users are put off by the look than the load time |
| 10:36:22 | GodEater | the competition we had in the forums pretty much failed |
| 10:36:30 | Llorean | Same general presentation of information, but for example, on particularly short screens maybe no "Next Song" information, on very tall ones (Portrait) some additional lines that would be "fluff" |
| 10:36:32 | JdGordon | especially coming from OF's where it takes a full minute to be usable |
| 10:36:41 | | Quit t0mas ("*runs off to work*") |
| 10:36:46 | Llorean | GodEater: It provided the beginnings of one. =/ |
| 10:36:52 | GodEater | Llorean: yes - one |
| 10:37:02 | Llorean | I think load time should still be an important point. |
| 10:37:10 | GodEater | and I don't think it was nearly as good as iCatcher or Rockboxed |
| 10:37:24 | GodEater | my only issue with Rockboxed was it was too orange |
| 10:37:27 | GodEater | otherwise it was a good theme |
| 10:37:51 | GodEater | if he'd inverted the palette it would have been better |
| 10:37:52 | Llorean | Honestly, probably the best thing we can do is take the current default, strip the peakmeters, and frame it in a nice looking backdrop. |
| 10:37:55 | pondlife | How come iCatcher and Rockboxed aren't on http://www.rockbox-themes.org/? |
| 10:38:08 | Llorean | pondlife: iCatcher is always included... |
| 10:38:29 | GodEater | isn't Rockboxed too these days ? |
| 10:38:35 | Llorean | But honestly, one really good looking backdrop can make a huge difference going from "But it's just text on a screen" to "Hey, that looks rather nice" |
| 10:38:36 | JdGordon | Llorean: and larger fonts and nice icons |
| 10:38:41 | Llorean | JdGordon: Yes. |
| 10:38:53 | Llorean | Colored icons for color targets, larger fonts for most screens, and a backdrop for the main WPS |
| 10:39:03 | Llorean | I can't imagine a backdrop making too huge a difference in load time, since it's a single file. |
| 10:39:19 | GodEater | so anyway - this discussion just proves my point, and we should stick to randomly selected theme images on the front page :) |
| 10:39:33 | Llorean | Oh, and on color or grayscale targets, a progress bar image. |
| 10:39:43 | pondlife | Or, it proves my point that we need a dictator! |
| 10:39:51 | GodEater | though it should probably be from an "elite" subset of all themes |
| 10:39:57 | * | Llorean votes himself dictator. |
| 10:39:57 | JdGordon | VIVA LA DICTATOR! |
| 10:39:58 | GodEater | since some of them suck |
| 10:40:13 | Llorean | GodEater: Yeah, whatever's rotated on the front page should be hand selected, not random |
| 10:40:26 | pondlife | The Soap-seal of approval should be mandated at least. |
| 10:40:51 | GodEater | yeah - they should install from RBUtil cleanly |
| 10:41:21 | * | pondlife would like to see the non-compliant themes removed from the wiki anyway, plus the sucky mono-on-colour-target ones |
| 10:41:44 | Llorean | pondlife: Um, why should mono-on-color-target be removed, just because you don't think they're pretty? |
| 10:41:51 | GodEater | there's no accounting for taste pondlife |
| 10:42:06 | * | JdGordon votes the orange/yellow version of http://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/176x220x16/Passion.png |
| 10:42:07 | pondlife | True, but they are the sort of thing that gives Rockbox a bad name, IMHO |
| 10:42:10 | scorche | pondlife: all themes will eventually be abolished |
| 10:42:14 | Llorean | Rockboxed, a rather popular theme herabouts, is essentially mono-on-color. |
| 10:42:31 | pondlife | Yes, but at least it has a colour setting. |
| 10:42:42 | pondlife | Mad Big Sausage, anyone? |
| 10:43:02 | Llorean | How does an optional theme give Rockbox a bad name, unless someone goes around saying "This is what Rockbox looks like"? |
| 10:43:10 | GodEater | yeah - lets leave them be |
| 10:43:16 | pondlife | It does if it's on the front page |
| 10:43:16 | GodEater | but just not "advertise" them on the front page |
| 10:43:22 | pondlife | That's what I mean |
| 10:43:30 | Llorean | Anyway, anyone up to volunteering to create some nice looking backdrops for the default theme sans peakmeters, at differing font sizes by screen size? :-P |
| 10:43:36 | GodEater | pondlife: well we already said we'd hand pick whatever gets displayed there |
| 10:43:54 | scorche | why are we thinking if displaying themes there? |
| 10:43:58 | scorche | of |
| 10:44:09 | Llorean | scorche: There's a big empty space in the top right corner, and people always ask "What does it look like?" |
| 10:44:11 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsSansaE200/RettumBox.png is the one im tihnkign of |
| 10:44:14 | amiconn | JdGordon: I'm way more impressed by zippy operation than by looks. I have nothing against good looks, but performance and usability always come first |
| 10:44:29 | * | aliask votes for Rocker (e200 theme) |
| 10:44:38 | scorche | Llorean: then we forward them to themes.rockbox.org...i dont know about showing a theme on the front page... |
| 10:44:40 | Llorean | amiconn: How do you feel about default+backdrop then? Think it's slow things down too much? |
| 10:44:43 | JdGordon | amiconn: I agree, but users wont care if it takes an extra second to boot if it looks better by default hen the current |
| 10:44:50 | Llorean | scorche: Why not, as long as it's an official-build theme? |
| 10:44:55 | aliask | But it has no license, and only one target |
| 10:45:07 | scorche | Llorean: i just am not sure if that belongs on the front page |
| 10:45:07 | * | JdGordon slaps aliask, thats a horrible theme :p |
| 10:45:21 | aliask | Horrible?! |
| 10:45:28 | GodEater | probably stating the obvious - but NO album art ones either! |
| 10:45:30 | aliask | Are we thinking of the same one? |
| 10:45:35 | Llorean | scorche: I think "What does it run on?" "What does it do?" are both important things for the front page, and "What does it do?" includes "What does it look like?" |
| 10:45:44 | JdGordon | aliask: just different tastes... |
| 10:46:17 | GodEater | I can't even see Rocker on rockbox-themes |
| 10:46:27 | GodEater | Llorean: absolutely |
| 10:46:34 | aliask | GodEater: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/WpsSansaE200?rev=1;filename=rocker.png |
| 10:46:48 | scorche | Llorean: yes, but i dont know if just a random picture of a theme will work for that... |
| 10:46:59 | Llorean | GodEater: But I think "What does it run on" can be linked to from the shortened "What does it do" paragraph |
| 10:47:06 | GodEater | scorche: we get to pick which "random" ones will show though |
| 10:47:18 | Llorean | scorche: We were talking about a rotating picture of say our favorite half dozen to dozen themes that work with an official build |
| 10:47:20 | * | pondlife guiltily likes the phkTAPE theme... clever, if not that practical. |
| 10:47:31 | scorche | Llorean: and what device? |
| 10:47:33 | * | Llorean rather likes the one that looks like it was written in pencil |
| 10:47:42 | GodEater | scorche: I think we should pick a selection |
| 10:47:49 | GodEater | not just confine to one device |
| 10:47:51 | Llorean | scorche: My preference is for iPod Video, since 320x240 offers good visibility |
| 10:48:06 | Llorean | GodEater: We probably should, otherwise the box will be varying sizes |
| 10:48:13 | Llorean | Unless we pad smaller images, and skip the Gigabeat |
| 10:48:22 | GodEater | Llorean: I think padding won't be too tricky |
| 10:48:30 | GodEater | and why skip the gigabeat ? |
| 10:48:35 | scorche | Llorean: but then we leave out other great themes and are saying "if you want your theme to possibly have a chance of being on the front page, make it for the ipod video" |
| 10:48:59 | Llorean | GodEater: Unless you use a 320x320 box |
| 10:49:19 | JdGordon | either the video or the gigabeat.. depends which one fits better in the space |
| 10:49:29 | Llorean | More than half the height of poor Pondlife's screen... |
| 10:49:29 | GodEater | Llorean: since we're only offering a sample - I don't think we need to avoid scaling the images either - although I may change my mind |
| 10:49:49 | GodEater | pondlife needs to buy a bigger monitor |
| 10:49:51 | Llorean | scorche: Honestly, they're going to make their themes for their player first anyway. |
| 10:50:02 | Llorean | scorche: And the Video has the widest selection |
| 10:50:03 | pondlife | GodEater: My monitors are pretty big already, sadly |
| 10:50:19 | GodEater | pondlife: 28" already ? :) |
| 10:50:26 | pondlife | Hah, no |
| 10:50:38 | pondlife | But my desk isn't big enough for those, nor my room! |
| 10:50:50 | scorche | a "Here is what Rockbox can look like:" link would satisfy that fine, but i am still wary of this way |
| 10:51:07 | Llorean | scorche: Anything we want to be sure users sees needs to not be hidden behind a link, and hopefully be flashy |
| 10:51:23 | GodEater | scorche: what's your problem with it ? |
| 10:51:28 | Llorean | A rotating image would do it. We could include all bitmap players except the Gigabeat, I suppose. |
| 10:51:36 | aliask | On the topic of themes and soforth, does a standard install come with any icon themes? |
| 10:51:37 | pondlife | Nothing animated, please. |
| 10:51:52 | pondlife | Just a random one, each refresh? |
| 10:51:55 | GodEater | pondlife: rotating as in "it appears different when you hit refresh" |
| 10:51:59 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 10:51:59 | Llorean | pondlife: That's what I had in mind. |
| 10:52:09 | GodEater | animated would be horrible |
| 10:52:49 | GodEater | is it worth putting out a call for people to submit designs of the front page at Rockbox in the forums ? With the caveat that we reserve the right to reject all of them if we don't like them ? |
| 10:53:07 | pondlife | No, this needs a dictator. |
| 10:53:30 | GodEater | pondlife: the decision could still be taken by a dictator |
| 10:53:37 | GodEater | but we might end up with something we really like |
| 10:53:40 | scorche | GodEater: people perhaps not realizing it is a random image, favoritizing one player, the general idea |
| 10:53:41 | GodEater | and we won't know unless we ask |
| 10:53:42 | pondlife | It would end up like the theme competition... unfinished. |
| 10:53:54 | GodEater | pondlife: maybe - but there's no harm in trying right ? |
| 10:54:03 | pondlife | OK, go for it |
| 10:54:05 | GodEater | and we can still change what we have currently in the meantime |
| 10:54:09 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 10:54:14 | Llorean | GodEater: I'd wait on that |
| 10:54:15 | GodEater | we need to set rules for how it's done too |
| 10:54:23 | Llorean | Right now there's no guarantee the front page will be changed. |
| 10:54:26 | GodEater | somewhat like the slashdot redesign |
| 10:54:34 | GodEater | Llorean: still doesn't hurt I don't think |
| 10:54:49 | GodEater | if we put it "we don't guarantee to select anything" it doesn't matter |
| 10:54:56 | Llorean | It might become like the logo thing, though |
| 10:55:06 | GodEater | I don't think it will |
| 10:55:07 | pondlife | I'd rather see effort put into (a) setting up a set of rules for suitable themes (Soap-SOA would probably do) and (b) collecting all suitable themes together (on rockbox-themes.org, preferably). |
| 10:55:15 | Llorean | People keep bringing it up, and kinda frustrating a few key people who don't think it should change, and have the dictatorship to say so |
| 10:55:20 | GodEater | putting a well designed web page together is a much more serious undertaking |
| 10:55:29 | scorche | pondlife: "suitable"? |
| 10:55:38 | scorche | pondlife: what is this for? |
| 10:55:40 | GodEater | the logo design thing is a bit too easy to do |
| 10:55:40 | Llorean | pondlife: This was decided long ago, and rockbox-themes.org is almost finished being prepared to become an official site with official themes. |
| 10:55:56 | pondlife | Indeed, but there are some missing themes. |
| 10:56:16 | GodEater | I'd say we'd like the page done in proper CSS layout style, and must include features X, Y and Z |
| 10:56:18 | pondlife | Suitable... say, works on all targets with no patches required. |
| 10:56:30 | scorche | pondlife: it will be born anew with tabula rasa |
| 10:56:55 | GodEater | working on all targets is a tall order for a lot of themes |
| 10:56:56 | Llorean | pondlife: Authors will have to resubmit, as we're requiring a stated license now. |
| 10:57:15 | Llorean | But there's no all-target requirement, just patch-free for the main section |
| 10:57:16 | pondlife | License too.. |
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| 10:57:17 | scorche | pondlife: see copy.rockbox-themes.org...it is finished (unless you have something for it)...it is just waiting for a right time and an overview for security |
| 10:58:50 | scorche | it seems you are mentioning many things we went over at DCW, and luckyily at a time when it is ready to be implemented |
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| 11:00:15 | GodEater | is the current page generated with perl ? |
| 11:00:51 | scorche | which current page? |
| 11:02:11 | Llorean | scorche: "Do you have you a theme that is not listed on this site?" sounds like people should submit any theme they have, even other peoples'... was that what was intended? |
| 11:02:31 | scorche | no |
| 11:02:43 | Llorean | Didn't think so, but I haven't been paying much attention |
| 11:03:38 | GodEater | scorche: www.rockbox.org |
| 11:03:51 | scorche | GodEater: then i shall stay silent =) |
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| 11:05:05 | GodEater | scorche: I know your site is PHP ;) |
| 11:05:12 | amiconn | JdGordon: If it would be just one extra second, I wouldn't care. But icatcher needs around 5 seconds on my 2nd gen |
| 11:05:54 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/689851 <−− anything else I should / could add before I try posting this in the forums ? |
| 11:06:19 | JdGordon | amiconn: even 5s is no big deal for the first boot imho |
| 11:06:57 | Llorean | JdGordon: 5s is a lot for boots. |
| 11:07:12 | scorche | GodEater: await lots of "Web 2.0" suggestions |
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| 11:08:09 | Llorean | GodEater: Before you post that, do you know *why* we're not using CSS for layout, or why the menu on the left is not collapsible? |
| 11:08:12 | scorche | and from what it is sounding like, it wont be a "best of rockbox themes"...it would be a "best of ipod video rockbox themes" |
| 11:08:14 | GodEater | scorche: I don't think having it as Web 2.0 is a bad thing provide the design *includes* the work necessary |
| 11:08:33 | Llorean | scorche: No, it's solely my suggestion that they be ipv themes. |
| 11:08:36 | GodEater | Llorean: I assume because it's tough to generate it from the perl that runs currently |
| 11:08:57 | JdGordon | nothing is tough for perl |
| 11:09:12 | Llorean | GodEater: Might want to check for the reasoning first. No sense asking for submissions that will be objected for any technical reason already extant. |
| 11:09:41 | Llorean | scorche: I don't know why you're so touchy about having any themes displayed on the front page. You seem to be upset that we want them there at all. |
| 11:10:16 | scorche | Llorean: that is putting it a little strong...i just dont like the idea much |
| 11:10:20 | GodEater | Llorean: given that I want to ask for submissions to include the underlying code too I'm not so worried about it |
| 11:10:33 | GodEater | someone just submitting a photoshop'd front page isn't taking it seriously enough ;) |
| 11:10:49 | scorche | GodEater: people might be a little angry if they put a lot of work into it and get shot down entirely (even with warnings) =) |
| 11:11:09 | GodEater | scorche: since when do we care about angry forum users ? ;) |
| 11:11:17 | aliask | haha |
| 11:11:27 | scorche | GodEater: jerk! |
| 11:11:28 | amiconn | JdGordon: It's not the first boot, but every boot. And 5 seconds is around the same as the rest of the boot time, so it's quite annoying |
| 11:11:38 | * | GodEater polishes his "Jerk" badge |
| 11:11:47 | Llorean | GodEater: I'd say wait until the swedes are around, and find out why certain things are the way they are before posting. |
| 11:12:09 | amiconn | It will be less annoying when I have suspend working though |
| 11:12:54 | * | amiconn is always annoyed by boot times. Ideally a dap should boot in <1 second |
| 11:13:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: Regarding wps loading time, if you get chance, could you test the bmp-in-tar patch that's on flyspray? It works, but when both Nico_P and I tested it, it didn't give any noticable speedup, so we didn't try and finish it and commit it. But WPSs load fast (a lot faster than you're reporting) for me anyway (disk fragmentation?). It's FS 6571 |
| 11:13:11 | Llorean | GodEater: One very, very important thing should be to stress that they should strive to make it accessible. |
| 11:13:34 | scorche | i dont know how accessible collapsible menus are |
| 11:13:40 | amiconn | linuxstb: It might be fragmentation plus the older generation 1.8" ´hdds being slow at seeking |
| 11:13:51 | GodEater | Llorean: you mean for unsighted people for example |
| 11:13:51 | amiconn | (my 2nd gen has an MK2003GAH) |
| 11:13:58 | Llorean | GodEater: Exactly. |
| 11:14:01 | GodEater | scorche: they're only unaccessible if you collapse them |
| 11:14:12 | JdGordon | amiconn: it would only affect the boot time untill its changed.. the idea is to set the default in the config, so you could still go back to the current default |
| 11:14:16 | GodEater | so the default (should you choose to use them) should not be to have anything hidden |
| 11:14:21 | Llorean | And collapsible menus that don't start collapsed are little good. :-P |
| 11:14:30 | GodEater | I disagree |
| 11:14:35 | Llorean | I don't think there's enough content on that sidebar to make them so, though. |
| 11:14:37 | GodEater | the /. redesign used them |
| 11:14:53 | GodEater | and they start out fully displayed, I simple collapse the ones I don't use very often |
| 11:14:56 | amiconn | JdGordon: I was thinking about a default that's actually usable |
| 11:14:59 | GodEater | but as you say, it may not even be necessary |
| 11:15:07 | GodEater | we'll leave that to the designer |
| 11:15:19 | * | GodEater is still modifying his draft post with these suggestions btw. |
| 11:16:22 | * | aliask never got a response from his espeak mail |
| 11:16:30 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/689871 |
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| 11:17:03 | * | JdGordon wonders why amiconn thought we would choose an unsuable default theme? |
| 11:17:46 | Llorean | JdGordon: 5 seconds every boot is unusable to some of us. |
| 11:17:56 | amiconn | First I didn't. Your remark regarding "only the first boot" lead me to |
| 11:18:06 | Llorean | The default should strive to be as nice looking as possible with as low a boot time hit as possible |
| 11:18:14 | * | scorche goes to bed |
| 11:18:46 | markun | aliask: I also emailed him about it |
| 11:18:55 | markun | and didn't get a reply |
| 11:19:04 | * | GodEater wonders if he should specify that we would allow (for example) PHP submissions if the designer felt he could make it work better that way |
| 11:19:51 | aliask | I'm tempted to post on the forums, but I'd prefer a private dialogue... |
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| 11:20:36 | aliask | GodEater: Don't tempt me with PHP :P |
| 11:21:32 | LinusN | GodEater: what exactly are the problems with the current design? |
| 11:22:45 | JdGordon_ | the commit message isnt shown! |
| 11:23:11 | LinusN | that sucks imho |
| 11:23:17 | scorche | LinusN: my main issue is the svn table |
| 11:24:04 | markun | aliask: maybe you can post on the forum and make it a general GPLv2 vs GPLv3 question |
| 11:24:05 | GodEater | LinusN: I don't know that there are problems per se, I just thought it might be nice to see some alternative designs submitted. Someone might come up with something so gobsmackingly good, we really really like it |
| 11:24:35 | GodEater | The forums do have a certain population of people who claim to be web developers who've offered their services previously - this gives them something to do |
| 11:24:44 | GodEater | without us committing to using anything |
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| 11:24:51 | aliask | markun: I might do just that then. |
| 11:25:08 | GodEater | LinusN: do you think that's a bad idea ? |
| 11:25:32 | LinusN | the problem is that "web design" to many equals "cool graphic design", and not necessarily "effectively conveying planty of information" |
| 11:25:40 | LinusN | plenty |
| 11:26:01 | Llorean | I think that with the addition of a "recent activity" page, the front page ought to be streamlined but that's it. |
| 11:26:12 | GodEater | LinusN: this is why I'm trying to layout a set of rules for what MUST be included |
| 11:26:15 | Llorean | And as a few have said, the target list can be put on a separate page, preferably with pictures and such |
| 11:26:55 | LinusN | what we primarily need is a way to structure the information on the front page in a good way |
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| 11:27:05 | * | Llorean would really like to get rid of every table but "News" and "Major changes" and maybe an SVN log somewhere if it can be made less space-overwhelming. |
| 11:27:08 | GodEater | LinusN: in the end, if someone submits something which is all sizzle, and not useful - then we just reject it |
| 11:27:39 | JdGordon_ | linuxstb: ping? |
| 11:27:43 | pondlife | It would save them wasting their time if we can set some groundrules though |
| 11:28:01 | LinusN | exactly |
| 11:28:02 | GodEater | in my opinion a good web designer *knows* that a web page is about information display, and not just about the "ZOMG" factor |
| 11:28:16 | linuxstb | Llorean: I didn't have a problem with the SVN table on the front page - as long as it's at the bottom of the front page. It's the content above the SVN table that's most important. |
| 11:28:29 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/689882 <−− updated again |
| 11:29:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yeah, that's about how I feel |
| 11:29:39 | bowl | Any RB web site admins here? Would it be possible to add anchors on the recent.html page? So that it's possible to jump right to the desired place via bookmarks? And one more thing: I think, the Subversion block on the front page should contain not the files changed but rather the comment. Has this already been discussed? If yes, I appologize for bringing this up. |
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| 11:30:04 | JdGordon_ | bah! |
| 11:30:11 | linuxstb | JdGordon_: bah? |
| 11:30:28 | LinusN | GodEater: imho, the most important point is the last one, (F) |
| 11:30:43 | GodEater | LinusN: I'll move that up to the top then |
| 11:31:05 | pixelma | GodEater: I absolutely agree about the webdesigner statement... but if you look at most current webpages then there are really only a _very_ few around :\ |
| 11:31:09 | JdGordon_ | linuxstb: i got libusb-win32 installed (the sansa driver), but your e200rpatcher keeps saying the sansa is busy |
| 11:31:11 | LinusN | bowl: we are discussing it now |
| 11:31:25 | linuxstb | Shouldn't we agree _what_ should be on the page before asking people to design a layout around it? |
| 11:31:36 | LinusN | linuxstb: of course |
| 11:31:36 | pondlife | Can the sidebar be changed, yet maintained consistently across forums/rockbox-themes etc.? |
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| 11:32:27 | ddalton | any ideas on how to fix a broken ipod? |
| 11:32:27 | pondlife | If not, it should probably be excluded from the design. |
| 11:32:38 | pondlife | Depends on what's broken. |
| 11:32:58 | ddalton | well it won't boot at all the screen light doesn't come on |
| 11:33:07 | pondlife | Battery flat? |
| 11:33:14 | ddalton | and I can't get it in to disk mode. The hdd doesn't sound good as well |
| 11:33:19 | pondlife | Charge it from mains? |
| 11:33:30 | ddalton | nup tried that |
| 11:33:30 | bowl | LinusN: I'm sorry for not following the discussion |
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| 11:33:32 | linuxstb | JdGordon_: That seems promising at least - it's detected it and opened a device handle.... But I'm afraid I don't have time to experiment now. |
| 11:33:32 | GodEater | linuxstb: if you have suggestions for my list that I've not included then please let me know |
| 11:33:34 | Llorean | GodEater: I'm thinking something more like this, though a little less ugly, and a little more "sponsors on the right" llorean.dyndns.org/rockbox/mockup/Rockbox%20-%20Open%20Source%20Jukebox%20Firmware.html">http://llorean.dyndns.org/rockbox/mockup/Rockbox%20-%20Open%20Source%20Jukebox%20Firmware.html |
| 11:33:57 | Llorean | A simplified version of what we had before. |
| 11:34:01 | JdGordon_ | linuxstb: no worries, I actually pinged you to get the url of the exe.. but found it already |
| 11:34:02 | pondlife | Merge the news and major changes into one table? |
| 11:34:20 | Llorean | pondlife: Seems logical |
| 11:34:31 | pondlife | But watch out for duplicates! |
| 11:34:45 | GodEater | Llorean: you can submit that to the competition when I post it then ;) |
| 11:34:59 | amiconn | JdGordon_: Iiuc you need both the filter driver installed, and the device driver associated with the sansa while it's in manufacturing mode, in ordre3 to make libusb access it |
| 11:35:04 | pondlife | Sponsors back on the right, and add the SVN comments... |
| 11:35:13 | linuxstb | What about the recent mail and recent wiki - I'm not sure we need those on the front page as well. |
| 11:35:19 | Llorean | pondlife: Yes. Sorry, that was the work of about 30 seconds cutting things out. |
| 11:35:19 | JdGordon_ | amiconn: we were under the impression you didnt need the filter driver |
| 11:35:45 | pondlife | Llorean: I think I'm saying we'd be back to the original layout, and I prefer that to all other options so far :) |
| 11:36:07 | Llorean | pondlife: I'd like to get rid of the player list, and replace it with a more user-friendly paragraph |
| 11:36:09 | JdGordon_ | Llorean: that looks a bit better... but the blerb has to be limited to say 800px wide, it looks _terrible_ at high res widescreen |
| 11:36:30 | GodEater | pondlife fears change it seems |
| 11:36:41 | pondlife | Not really. I have my reasons here. |
| 11:36:42 | Llorean | JdGordon_: As i said, that was a really quick hack job, it's more the sample text (lack of player list) and which things were kept on the page than the layout. |
| 11:36:45 | linuxstb | amiconn: The documentation claims the filter driver isn't needed any more - just a device driver - http://libusb-win32.sourceforge.net/#installation |
| 11:36:53 | * | JdGordon_ giong for dinner |
| 11:37:06 | pondlife | Llorean: I think the target list is useful for people Googling. |
| 11:37:21 | Llorean | pondlife: So we make sure the other page is indexed by google. |
| 11:37:34 | pondlife | other page? |
| 11:37:37 | Llorean | I'm not saying we remove the target list, just drop it from the front page. |
| 11:37:42 | pondlife | OK |
| 11:37:50 | linuxstb | How about a "Quick links" section, similar to the IPL homepage? http://ipodlinux.org/Main_Page |
| 11:37:53 | Llorean | I think it's valuable, but I think people skim over it. |
| 11:38:13 | pixelma | Llorean: that's almost like the last version of the old layout, and maybe I'm late in discussion but I don't think removing the device list from the front page is such a good idea, provided how often we answer here "if your device is not listed on the frontpage as supported, it's not"... |
| 11:38:18 | Llorean | If you have a paragraph like the one I put there, that links to the targets (and says clearly before the link that it ONLY runs on those) people might not only find them, but understand that it's limited to just them. |
| 11:38:21 | pondlife | I like the ipodlinux layout, aside from the wikipedia look |
| 11:38:35 | pondlife | The icons etc, nice. |
| 11:38:47 | Llorean | pixelma: Yeah, but what I'd like is a paragraph saying "It only runs on certain devices, and these devices are listed here(Page link)" and then on that page have pictures as well |
| 11:39:31 | linuxstb | I agree with pixelma - the device list is good on the front page. But there could always be a second page, with pictures and more info. |
| 11:39:35 | Llorean | I think that "normal" users expect text, rather than a chart. |
| 11:39:38 | pondlife | I partucularly like the inclusion of the SVN revision number... |
| 11:40:09 | LinusN | the issue here is really that so many people don't expect that info to be on the front page |
| 11:40:11 | Llorean | Also, as the list expands it'll just take up more and more space on the front page. |
| 11:40:26 | LinusN | (the device list) |
| 11:40:31 | Llorean | I think it's just more readable in general to have an introduction paragraph to Rockbox, and then a link to the device list. |
| 11:40:40 | LinusN | exactly |
| 11:40:44 | pondlife | Yes |
| 11:40:56 | linuxstb | LinusN: I'm not sure I agree with that - where else do people start looking for information if it's not the front page? |
| 11:41:13 | LinusN | they expect to find a link to the information |
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| 11:41:15 | Llorean | linuxstb: People go to the front page to find out *where* information is, rather than the information itself, I think. |
| 11:41:26 | Llorean | Sometimes reading past the information in the process. |
| 11:41:46 | linuxstb | Then IMO it's a problem with how we've presented the list, not the fact that the list is there. |
| 11:41:51 | LinusN | furthermore, it seems that many people don't expect the front page information to be up-to-date and accurate |
| 11:41:58 | Llorean | There's that too |
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| 11:42:30 | pixelma | Llorean: exactly as linuxstb said - the list as a quick overview with a link to a more detailed page (with picures), how many people fail to find the "manual" link for example on the current page... |
| 11:42:38 | LinusN | the front page is expected to be a portal to the real information, not contain the information itself |
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| 11:43:47 | Llorean | I think the paragraph helps more. It says "There's information here, this is what sort it is, and here's some of the most likely things you're seeking." |
| 11:43:59 | Llorean | I think it'd also make it less likely people will miss the "Why Rockbox" link. |
| 11:44:16 | LinusN | and considering the wealth of other information, i think the list of devices can easily be moved somehere else |
| 11:45:26 | LinusN | also, i think we should have a different appearance on the dynamic boxes and the static information |
| 11:46:00 | LinusN | right now, the introductory text and the device list looks exactly like the dynamic info boxes |
| 11:46:41 | LinusN | i don't really see the point of having the first text block in a box at all |
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| 11:47:45 | pondlife | Anything that wastes less space is good by me. |
| 11:48:19 | GodEater | shall I put these points into my draft post ? |
| 11:48:54 | LinusN | you mean my appearance comment? |
| 11:49:31 | GodEater | yes |
| 11:49:41 | LinusN | sure |
| 11:50:07 | LinusN | i like Llorean's mockup |
| 11:50:51 | LinusN | then again, the current design is quite boring, but in a good way imho |
| 11:50:53 | pondlife | Me too... add the SVN rev number too though. |
| 11:50:56 | Llorean | LinusN: As pondlife suggested, I think merging major changes into the news (or perhaps just including more news items for added features) would be good |
| 11:51:04 | pondlife | Tricky though. |
| 11:51:19 | Llorean | The SVN table needs to be more "Full" |
| 11:51:25 | pondlife | You'd probably get WMA mentioned twice, for example. |
| 11:51:26 | Llorean | Comments, and revisions would be nice. |
| 11:51:43 | pondlife | Revision should be the first column IMHO |
| 11:51:43 | Llorean | pondlife: So just have the news updated more often rather than an automated merge. |
| 11:51:53 | pondlife | Yes |
| 11:52:18 | pondlife | Or could the news just be taken from the MajorChanges page perhaps? |
| 11:52:27 | GodEater | I think that would be better |
| 11:52:27 | Llorean | That wouldn't work as well |
| 11:52:30 | Llorean | Devcon and such |
| 11:52:34 | GodEater | News is dreadful at the moment in my opinion |
| 11:52:37 | pondlife | Hmm, good point |
| 11:52:50 | GodEater | but, as just pointed out |
| 11:52:50 | Llorean | GodEater: News needs a maintainer, I think |
| 11:52:52 | pondlife | So a non-code News page to merge. |
| 11:53:03 | GodEater | we'd need some way to make manual additions |
| 11:53:09 | Llorean | A .html someone's in charge of updating, that gets included or something |
| 11:53:31 | * | LinusN whispers "cms" |
| 11:53:35 | Llorean | cms? |
| 11:53:40 | * | pondlife googles |
| 11:53:43 | GodEater | content management system |
| 11:53:46 | Llorean | Ah |
| 11:54:00 | GodEater | a la Mambo, or similar |
| 11:54:05 | pondlife | So, the current wiki maybe? With permissions... |
| 11:54:15 | pondlife | FrontPageNews |
| 11:54:35 | Llorean | But yeah, news definitely needs some attention |
| 11:54:58 | Llorean | I think though that for the SVN revision in the changelog, the revision number could just be part of the date column. |
| 11:54:58 | GodEater | to be honest |
| 11:55:14 | GodEater | we could blame the lack of updates to News for people thinking the front page doesnt update very often |
| 11:55:22 | GodEater | they can see that svn is dynamically generated |
| 11:55:29 | * | pondlife treates the SVN as news |
| 11:55:34 | GodEater | but if we only update news once every 3 months |
| 11:55:47 | GodEater | then you could be forgiven for thinking that the rest of the page isn't touched much |
| 11:55:53 | pondlife | MajorChanges is updated reasonably |
| 11:56:03 | GodEater | Major changes isn't the front page |
| 11:56:08 | pondlife | No, but it couldbne |
| 11:56:09 | pondlife | could be |
| 11:56:22 | GodEater | yes it could |
| 11:56:38 | pondlife | News on front page = top 8 entries from (MajorChanges + FrontPageNews)? |
| 11:56:40 | GodEater | what I'm saying is, "This is why users assume the current model list is out of date" |
| 11:56:41 | pondlife | Or similar |
| 11:57:02 | LinusN | GodEater: exactly |
| 11:57:45 | pondlife | Removal of the model list is fine with me; I wonder if it would result in more forum queries, or more new ports perhaps? |
| 11:58:06 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/689918 <−− updated again |
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| 12:00:04 | LinusN | better |
| 12:00:23 | GodEater | anything else that needs to go on it before I put it in the forums ? |
| 12:00:46 | pondlife | Remove the "again" from point (A)? |
| 12:01:06 | GodEater | removed |
| 12:01:11 | LinusN | not sure about the collapsable menus though |
| 12:01:23 | LinusN | not very accessible |
| 12:01:26 | GodEater | I can take that suggestion out completely |
| 12:01:29 | pondlife | Yes, maybe keep the sidebar out of it. |
| 12:01:48 | pondlife | So we can keep consistency across sites too. |
| 12:01:58 | pondlife | It's almost there (at last) :) |
| 12:02:06 | LinusN | right |
| 12:02:08 | GodEater | D) We still want the navigation bar at the side. If you think you can make it more accessible, then please do so. |
| 12:02:35 | * | Llorean has succeeded in making his mockup horribly ugly because he's useless with tables. |
| 12:02:48 | GodEater | Llorean: <DIV>!!!! |
| 12:03:04 | Llorean | GodEater: I'm all about the CSS, but I'm making a mockup using existing content, not rebuilding it myself |
| 12:03:09 | GodEater | hehe |
| 12:03:21 | GodEater | it really ought to be a 21st century page now :) |
| 12:04:12 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/689925 <−− last draft ? |
| 12:04:37 | * | GodEater wonders if Llorean should post it in announcements |
| 12:06:26 | Llorean | GodEater: Did I prevent experts from posting in Announcements? |
| 12:06:32 | Llorean | I may have under the assumption they'd have nothing to announce... |
| 12:06:36 | GodEater | you did yes |
| 12:06:50 | GodEater | you even told bluebrother that last week :) |
| 12:06:55 | GodEater | or recently at least |
| 12:07:13 | amiconn | Llorean: Imo it's much better to put links on an actual statement than those ugly (but unfortunately widespread) "click here" links |
| 12:07:33 | amiconn | (referring to the "why rockbox" link in your mockup) |
| 12:07:42 | GodEater | Llorean: you could just go ahead and make me a forum admin ;) |
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| 12:08:00 | Llorean | amiconn: That line is actually straight from our existing front page. Not how I'd do it. :) |
| 12:08:02 | kugel | Hi |
| 12:08:23 | Llorean | GodEater: Post it in General Discussion. Then try moving it to Announcements. If that fails, let me know, and I'll move it. |
| 12:08:54 | kugel | i have a problem. I have such a beep sound when I skip the track |
| 12:09:03 | kugel | pretty anonying one |
| 12:09:26 | kugel | it wasn't before today |
| 12:09:49 | GodEater | Llorean: that appeared to work. |
| 12:10:18 | Llorean | GodEater: I had a gut feeling it would |
| 12:11:03 | Llorean | I mean I could give y'all the ability to post there, but honestly I'd rather keep that line of "You shouldn't be posting here, but you can if you MUST" |
| 12:11:20 | GodEater | you mean you want us to know our place ;) |
| 12:12:11 | Llorean | kugel: Check in the manual, it's a setting but I don't know what it's called |
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| 12:13:06 | kugel | i didnt change any settings, it appeared after a reboot |
| 12:14:34 | Llorean | kugel: Then the beeps are magical, and we can't fix them. Either you changed the setting, or there's a bug. If you changed the setting, you can turn it off. If it's a bug, we can't fix it until you document it. |
| 12:14:43 | kugel | ok found it |
| 12:14:44 | kugel | thank you |
| 12:15:21 | kugel | maybe i turned it on a few days, but never actually skipped a song since then |
| 12:16:39 | GodEater | dammit - I thought of something we missed that needs to go on the front page |
| 12:17:04 | GodEater | "<blink><font size="ginormous">No - we don't work with the new ipods</font></blink>" |
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| 12:17:39 | * | Llorean wonders how hard it'd be to get "ginormous" accepted as a valid size. |
| 12:17:50 | GodEater | pretty hard I imagine |
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| 12:17:55 | GodEater | but you get the idea ;) |
| 12:18:12 | JdGordon_ | GodEater: do you really tihnk that would stop people asking? |
| 12:18:27 | Llorean | No, he forgot to set the color to re.d |
| 12:19:59 | GodEater | with a luminous green outline |
| 12:20:03 | aliask | And make it a marquee |
| 12:20:18 | * | GodEater waits for further UI horrors to be thought of |
| 12:20:27 | GodEater | with a dancing hamster at each end ? |
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| 12:22:08 | aliask | Hrm, I'd just like to clarify a few things before I post off this message on the espeak forums |
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| 12:22:52 | aliask | Would it be possible to link in the eSpeak codec/plugin seperately to avoid license conflicts? |
| 12:22:59 | aliask | Sort of like how linux etc does it? |
| 12:23:57 | B4gder | that would require a pretty drastic remodeling |
| 12:25:26 | aliask | Ok, that'll do then. |
| 12:26:16 | JdGordon_ | GodEater: (/me a bit late) I tihnk point 2 is a bit harshe.... |
| 12:26:55 | GodEater | I think it's a bit pointless someone submitting a mockup if they can't make it work |
| 12:27:11 | JdGordon_ | so, but some people are creative, and some are coders |
| 12:27:15 | | Nick JdGordon_ is now known as JdGordon (n=jonno@rockbox/developer/JdGordon) |
| 12:27:21 | GodEater | so then they get together |
| 12:27:25 | GodEater | there's nothing stopping a team entry |
| 12:27:42 | GodEater | then Mr. Creative can send his .PSD to the coder chap |
| 12:27:59 | JdGordon | no, but saying they arnt alowd to submit a mockup means a creative person who cant code will probably not bother |
| 12:28:17 | LinusN | i don't mind a mockup as long as it is a HTML/CSS page and not just an image |
| 12:28:30 | GodEater | the "just an image" is what I'm trying to avoid |
| 12:28:44 | GodEater | perhaps I should clarify that point |
| 12:28:48 | JdGordon | even an image is fine imo... it just wont be given as much credit as a full blown site would |
| 12:28:49 | LinusN | yes |
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| 12:29:03 | GodEater | although I thought "rendered view" was pretty clear already |
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| 12:29:33 | Llorean | Maybe something along the lines of "The preferred entry is in HTML/CSS, and functioning. If the page is a mock-up, it may be discarded out of hand if too difficult to make effective" |
| 12:30:01 | Llorean | And then something about "if you don't know HTML, collaboration is in the spirit of open source" |
| 12:30:34 | GodEater | Edited. |
| 12:30:37 | GodEater | comments please :) |
| 12:30:53 | GodEater | I've removed the "we want perl" bit too |
| 12:31:05 | JdGordon | yeah, thats better |
| 12:31:36 | * | GodEater is glad he put the bit in about "changing the rules as we go along" |
| 12:32:12 | GodEater | Goal post moving seems to be a way of life where I work - so why not Rockbox too ? |
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| 12:34:10 | ByronFortescue | Is there any way of excluding folders from the database? |
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| 12:48:53 | amiconn | Hmm, are there 2 different types of (original) H1x0 leather cases? |
| 12:51:01 | rasher | amiconn: Yeah. At least the ihp110 I bought for Linus had a different one from mine |
| 12:51:34 | rasher | Without a plastic window iirc (but a more sturdy protection over the display) |
| 12:52:22 | amiconn | The case in your auction is black, and the front is not a big flap, like the one for my H140 (which is brown) |
| 12:52:42 | rasher | That sounds like the one the h110 had |
| 12:53:24 | rasher | I bought mine just when the ihp name was discontinued |
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| 12:53:58 | Llorean | Yeah, I have the older case too |
| 12:54:12 | amiconn | On a different matter, I'd like to ask you whether you could change buldzip.pl so that it doesn't start tons of processes anymore, like you did with (the implementation of) voice.pl |
| 12:54:13 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 12:54:27 | amiconn | This would cut down 'make zip' runtime (drastically on cygwin) |
| 12:56:01 | rasher | Wow, buildzip.pl is really a sort of perl/shellscript hybrid |
| 12:56:13 | rasher | Using lots of external apps for stuff that could be handled by perl |
| 12:56:20 | rasher | As far as I can tell |
| 12:56:43 | amiconn | Yup. Calling 'cp' a thousand times, plus other tools |
| 12:58:12 | rasher | And find.. which calls cp.. I have a feeling that could be done somewhat nicer |
| 12:58:53 | GodEater | fix it |
| 12:59:20 | B4gder | perhaps we should fix all cygwin users to run linux? ;-) |
| 12:59:28 | * | B4gder ducks and runs |
| 12:59:33 | rasher | I wonder if it was once named buildzip.sh, then someone needed a single function of Perl and hastily converted it while leaving most of the shell script calls intact |
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| 13:00:06 | B4gder | not necesarily, I use to write my perl like that |
| 13:00:16 | B4gder | I don't use cygwin... |
| 13:00:59 | amiconn | This approach is also slower than using perl functions on linux, just not as much as on cygwin |
| 13:01:12 | B4gder | sure, but on linux we won't notice the speed difference |
| 13:01:29 | B4gder | I never wrote that to be a speedy script, just a working one |
| 13:01:39 | B4gder | and it runs fast enough on linux |
| 13:02:03 | B4gder | I find it sad that we have to rewrite it just because we have and use inferior systems |
| 13:02:08 | B4gder | but I accept that fact |
| 13:04:04 | JdGordon | I was going to ask for buildzip to be split up into seperate files so make can do more than 1 at a time to speed it up... |
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| 13:07:14 | B4gder | I wouldn't mind, if that separation is made in a logical way |
| 13:12:02 | JdGordon | also, making it not delete the .rockbox so a make install equivilant for real targets would be nice |
| 13:12:54 | rasher | install: zip unzip -d SOMEDIRHERE rockbox.zip |
| 13:13:03 | B4gder | why would the removal of .rockbox affect that? |
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| 13:13:25 | B4gder | it is only called .rockbox to make it easier to build a zip using that name |
| 13:13:33 | JdGordon | I mean, it should just finish before making the zip |
| 13:13:52 | B4gder | you mean if you symlink .rockbox to your target? |
| 13:14:05 | JdGordon | no.... |
| 13:14:11 | JdGordon | that could work though |
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| 13:14:37 | greenlemon | in my mp3s i had the disc number stored on an id3 tag as Disc 2/3 for example, which itunes recognzied but when i go on rockbox it just ignores it and in the albums just places for example 3 track number ones in a row, is there any option i can activate to change this or so? |
| 13:14:38 | JdGordon | creating and unzipping the zip is slow when zp -R .rockbox /dest would do just as well |
| 13:14:52 | GodEater | s/zp/cp ? |
| 13:14:57 | B4gder | but I'm sure buildzip could take an option to make it not remove and build zip |
| 13:15:35 | JdGordon | yeah, I was going to give that a go a while ago, but got scared by the Makefile and perl :p |
| 13:15:59 | greenlemon | (oh and congrats on rockbox, its amazing, i'd been using it for quite a while on my iriver 120 and have loved it ever since, even now on my ipod =) ) |
| 13:20:50 | GodEater | greenlemon: are you using the database ? |
| 13:21:03 | greenlemon | yes |
| 13:21:34 | GodEater | greenlemon: then I think you can acheive what you want with a customized tagnavi file |
| 13:21:48 | GodEater | but you're better off asking in the forums, as very few people here use the database |
| 13:21:55 | greenlemon | oh |
| 13:22:08 | greenlemon | but i can find online how to custumise tagnavi then? |
| 13:22:16 | B4gder | I can ahrdly speel databse |
| 13:22:43 | B4gder | in fact, I've never used it on any of my targets |
| 13:22:45 | pixelma | greenlemon: the DataBase wiki page has some inf, IIRC |
| 13:22:53 | pixelma | *info |
| 13:22:55 | greenlemon | thanks :) |
| 13:23:12 | greenlemon | and keep up the amazing work! :D i'll go give it a try and try to work it out :) |
| 13:23:19 | greenlemon | take care :) |
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| 13:27:26 | Zaister | Hello I have a question, does rockbox provide any last.fm support? |
| 13:28:01 | GodEater | Zaister: yes it does |
| 13:28:08 | Zaister | oh cool |
| 13:28:14 | GodEater | it's in the manual |
| 13:28:18 | pixelma | read about it on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog |
| 13:28:20 | B4gder | rockbox _is_ cool |
| 13:28:22 | Zaister | i have an iRiver H140 |
| 13:28:35 | Zaister | and i've been using rockbox for quite a while |
| 13:28:39 | Zaister | but my version was old :) |
| 13:29:01 | petur | Zaister: yes |
| 13:29:07 | Zaister | thanks |
| 13:29:09 | petur | just enable it under playback settings |
| 13:29:31 | LinusN | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h100/rockbox-buildch7.html#x10-1030007.1 |
| 13:29:37 | * | petur totally ignored the link pixelma posted |
| 13:30:14 | Zaister | :) |
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| 13:54:17 | aliask | Jon at eSpeak has replied to my forum post, but I feel like I'm completely out of my depth with it all, does someone want to at least fill me in, or take over? |
| 13:54:19 | aliask | https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=4510054 |
| 13:55:52 | B4gder | 1) rockbox is not linux so the linux case is totally besides the point |
| 13:56:09 | B4gder | 2) the "version 2 or later" phrase is not used in Rockbox and thus it doesn't apply |
| 13:56:29 | Zaister | thanks for the last.fm tip, and bye! |
| 13:56:36 | B4gder | besides, we still use lot of other gplv2 code that if so _also_ would need to go v3 |
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| 13:57:00 | B4gder | aliask: it seems his motive is just to tighten the "loopholes" |
| 13:59:17 | rasher | "If the Program does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software Foundation." |
| 13:59:22 | rasher | Now that's surprising. |
| 13:59:45 | rasher | Where does it say that? In the actual license, or in some sort of "help" part? |
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| 14:12:45 | chrisjs169 | Any ideas on the cause of FS7743 and FS7744? |
| 14:13:20 | JdGordon | and now your cross posting! |
| 14:13:26 | JdGordon | ban him! |
| 14:15:23 | GodEater | http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/10/sandisk_launches_view/ |
| 14:15:52 | JdGordon | they moved the power button...! |
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| 14:19:25 | aliask | Hrm, does someone want to finish my sentance for me here: http://pastebin.ca/690089 ? |
| 14:19:49 | aliask | He seems pretty touchy about me bringing it up |
| 14:25:26 | B4gder | like http://pastebin.ca/690100 ? |
| 14:26:02 | JdGordon | revert or consider dual licensing? |
| 14:26:32 | B4gder | hm right, dual is an option... but gplv2/gplv3 feels like a very funny dual license |
| 14:26:51 | B4gder | and rather pointless to them |
| 14:27:03 | GodEater | yeah, I can't see them going for it |
| 14:27:04 | Llorean | They could revert to GPLv2 or later. |
| 14:27:19 | B4gder | wasn't that what they had? |
| 14:27:40 | GodEater | it sounds to me like they're keen to avoid tivoisation |
| 14:27:57 | Llorean | Yeah. I just mean, it's possible that he just updated without too much though, based on the "loopholes" thing, and without thinking of how it might affect users of his code. |
| 14:27:57 | B4gder | it sounds to me like they just believe what fsf says |
| 14:28:00 | GodEater | which would make switching to gplv2 or later pointless from their point of view |
| 14:28:04 | Llorean | thought |
| 14:28:14 | B4gder | "3 is better than 2!" |
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| 14:28:49 | JdGordon | B4gder: you dont need the FSF to know 3 is better than 2... |
| 14:28:49 | B4gder | I think we'll have to go back to the v2 version |
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| 14:28:58 | B4gder | :-) |
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| 14:30:00 | aliask | B4gder: Thanks, that sounds good. |
| 14:30:04 | markun | B4gder, Llorean: if by 'they' you mean the eSpeak devs, it's basically 'he' |
| 14:30:25 | chrissy88 | hi, i'm trying to compile rockbox using ubuntu, but when i type "make", i only get errors and warnings. has anybody allready tried to compile with ubuntu ? |
| 14:30:29 | linuxstb__ | Doesn't that quote (if no version is specified, any version) mean we could switch to v3? From what I could see when I looked recently, all the external code we're using is v2 or later. |
| 14:30:31 | B4gder | markun: yes that's what I meant |
| 14:30:34 | JdGordon | is there much difference between the last v2 version and current? |
| 14:30:54 | B4gder | JdGordon: I doubt that, at least not yet |
| 14:31:06 | Llorean | chrissy88: Many people. |
| 14:31:20 | * | linuxstb__ afk |
| 14:31:24 | B4gder | chrissy88: install "build-essential" |
| 14:31:54 | chrissy88 | B4gder: what do you mean with "build-essential" ? |
| 14:32:06 | kasba | what is the coding of the ipod fat32 ? |
| 14:32:11 | B4gder | I mean you should install that package |
| 14:32:14 | JdGordon | chrissy88: sudo apt-get install build-essential |
| 14:33:34 | chrissy88 | JdGordon: OK, the download starts... |
| 14:37:47 | markun | kasba: what do you mean? |
| 14:38:09 | markun | if ipods all use FAT32? |
| 14:38:35 | chrissy88 | JdGordon: now i get the error "arm-elf-gcc: Command not found" |
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| 14:38:51 | JdGordon | chrissy88: did you run rockboxdev.sh? |
| 14:38:59 | B4gder | chrissy88: ... and edited your PATH? |
| 14:39:29 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 14:39:30 | chrissy88 | sorry, but what could you explain ? |
| 14:39:38 | JdGordon | damn that link iss hard to find :p |
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| 14:39:59 | chrissy88 | i already built the cross compiler using a Shellscript |
| 14:41:11 | JdGordon | B4gder: is there any reason why we can do cat PATH=$PATH:blaa >> ~/.bashrc at the end of that script if the shell is bash? |
| 14:41:30 | B4gder | yes, because the user may not use bash |
| 14:41:40 | B4gder | and I personally would hate it... |
| 14:41:42 | JdGordon | but we can check the shell cant we? |
| 14:41:56 | B4gder | yes we can |
| 14:42:15 | B4gder | but still, what if the user already has the PATH fixed? |
| 14:42:38 | B4gder | like when you run the script to update your compiler(s) |
| 14:43:02 | JdGordon | it could check that also |
| 14:43:16 | B4gder | how? |
| 14:43:23 | GodEater | `which arm-elf-gcc` |
| 14:43:43 | B4gder | yes, but that only means that the PATH is fine, not that it exists in a proper file |
| 14:43:54 | B4gder | but that might be good enough |
| 14:43:55 | JdGordon | close enough imho |
| 14:44:17 | JdGordon | it could also ask if the user wants it added automatically or not |
| 14:44:21 | pondlife | Hmm, rockboxui.exe seems to have a memory leak today |
| 14:44:21 | rasher | GodEater: if [ -f `which arm-elf-gcc` ] |
| 14:44:43 | rasher | if [ -f "`which arm-elf-gcc`" ] |
| 14:44:46 | pondlife | The memory usage (according to Windows Task Manager) increases all the time. |
| 14:44:59 | GodEater | $(which arm-elf-gcc) |
| 14:45:04 | JdGordon | thread bug maybe? |
| 14:45:12 | B4gder | of course, what if the PATH contains an older gcc dir... :-) |
| 14:45:22 | pondlife | It's new in the past 2 weeks I think |
| 14:45:30 | rasher | GodEater: 1) Backticks have wider support than $() 2) you need to test what the command outputs (some implementations of which output an error message) |
| 14:45:33 | * | pondlife will play SVN-binary-chop-bingo. |
| 14:45:42 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: sounds like pondlife found a bug for you |
| 14:46:03 | GodEater | rasher: I was just being controversial :) |
| 14:46:05 | JdGordon | B4gder: it could test the gcc version if its found |
| 14:46:14 | B4gder | hahah |
| 14:46:19 | B4gder | or we could just skip this |
| 14:46:47 | JdGordon | simplifying the script for non-devs would be nice though |
| 14:47:06 | * | JdGordon fears thats the 5th thing ive said "would be nice" to in as many hours |
| 14:47:45 | B4gder | simplying is good, trying to make it fool-proof is not |
| 14:48:13 | * | JdGordon feels we should have a vote on a motion to start discussions on the possibility of decing on a course of action |
| 14:49:28 | GodEater | with sub-commitees to examine every aspect of those actions |
| 14:50:14 | JdGordon | of course |
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| 14:52:09 | pondlife | would be nice :) |
| 14:52:38 | * | JdGordon fails at shell scripting |
| 14:53:00 | GodEater | D- |
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| 14:59:41 | pondlife | jhMikeS: If you'd like to look into it, it's noted on http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7745 |
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| 15:00:16 | B4gder | for a system with no malloc, it is quite a feat to leak memory ;-) |
| 15:00:24 | pondlife | My thought exactly! |
| 15:00:35 | pondlife | That's the problem, no free() ! |
| 15:00:40 | GodEater | pondlife: must be your SDL |
| 15:00:40 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 15:00:50 | JdGordon | so we introduce free() but leave malloc out? |
| 15:01:55 | pondlife | GodEater: Are there alternative SDLs I can download? I have one that came with Cygwin. |
| 15:02:10 | GodEater | pondlife: build your own wuss! |
| 15:02:26 | Pro | hi |
| 15:02:36 | pondlife | http://www.libsdl.org/download-1.2.php might help |
| 15:02:37 | Pro | where do i find new wps |
| 15:02:38 | Pro | ?? |
| 15:03:00 | Pro | which work with the newest album art/scroll margins patches" |
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| 15:04:25 | GodEater | pondlife: when are you going to ditch this cygwin nonsense ? :) |
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| 15:04:48 | markun | Pro: in the rockbox forums I think |
| 15:05:15 | pondlife | Haha, the Cygwin SDL.DLL results in memory usage starting at 5MB and creeping up to 22MB after 20 mins. The libsdl SDL.DLL results in it starting at 38MB! |
| 15:05:19 | amiconn | 22MB aren't that much |
| 15:05:19 | pondlife | But not climbing |
| 15:05:37 | amiconn | On linux I observed rockbox sim ram usage of >140MB |
| 15:05:42 | chrissy88 | does somebody know how to get arm-elf-gcc in PATH |
| 15:05:43 | actionshrimp | wow |
| 15:05:55 | actionshrimp | try saying libsdl sdl.dll over and over again when youre drunk |
| 15:05:55 | pondlife | Yes, but rockboxui.exe now uses more memory than Outlook + Word |
| 15:06:12 | krazykit | chrissy88, add it to .bash_profile if you're using bash |
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| 15:06:35 | krazykit | zsh, tsch, use their respective config files |
| 15:06:51 | chrissy88 | krazykit: i'm using the ubnutu terminal |
| 15:07:12 | krazykit | add it to .bash_profile |
| 15:07:18 | krazykit | can't help with that as i don't use bash |
| 15:07:58 | GodEater | doesn't ubuntu use dash ? |
| 15:08:07 | krazykit | ubuntu links sh to dash |
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| 15:08:13 | krazykit | logins are all bash by default |
| 15:08:19 | krazykit | er, dash to sh, rather |
| 15:08:56 | GodEater | ok gotcha |
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| 15:10:36 | JdGordon | rockboxui mem usage seems to be stable at 36500 on my box playing music (linux amd64) |
| 15:10:37 | jhMikeS | B4gder: we had such a memory leak with voice and buffer_alloc use in the past (I know the bug is a sim bug though) |
| 15:10:38 | amiconn | pondlife: No memory leak here. The sim allocates ~39MB of virtual memory right from the start. RAM usage is around 6MB. Starting playback increases ram usage to all virtual memory. That's it |
| 15:10:58 | jhMikeS | does it free it's dlls? |
| 15:13:07 | aliask | We got another response from Jon of eSpeak, claiming we CAN change the license, because the note at the top of the source files doesn't specify the version. |
| 15:13:24 | GodEater | aliask: our license you mean? |
| 15:13:32 | GodEater | not the espeak one |
| 15:13:37 | pondlife | Hmm, so the increase is to be expected. I'll leave it climbing. |
| 15:13:52 | aliask | GodEater: Yep |
| 15:13:56 | aliask | Ours |
| 15:14:08 | jhMikeS | well, I know little about the codec loading in the sim and whether or not it ever calls FreeLibrary there |
| 15:16:27 | pondlife | It doesn't load a codec very often though... |
| 15:16:45 | preglow | why would mpegplayer give me an undef instruction... |
| 15:17:06 | pondlife | Lunch time... |
| 15:17:08 | jhMikeS | preglow: for which player? |
| 15:17:17 | preglow | nano, and it just did it once... |
| 15:17:24 | jhMikeS | cache coherency |
| 15:17:44 | preglow | it really glitches on this one too, though |
| 15:17:47 | preglow | hmm |
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| 15:18:43 | preglow | perhaps it just can't handle the intro sequence to aqua teen hunger force :> |
| 15:18:44 | jhMikeS | it's all cache trouble and needs a going over to keep the line clobbering away I think |
| 15:19:06 | jhMikeS | hehe...ATHF. |
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| 15:19:34 | preglow | i discovered i need to keep the intro sequence to the movie with me at all times, so i'm encoding it :P |
| 15:19:46 | jhMikeS | doesn't like meatwad? |
| 15:20:08 | preglow | doesn't like mastodon, apparently |
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| 15:21:36 | preglow | hmm, it really struggles, lags along at times, then suddenly decodes like mad to keep up |
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| 15:24:00 | jhMikeS | invalide_icache is also not correct, it seems to need to do the for(i=0x10000000; i < 0x10002000; i++) inb(i); to function correctly as well. |
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| 15:40:32 | linuxstb | B4gder: I can't find anything in the Rockbox source that says "v2 only", so it seems that espeak-jon is right to say we could easily switch Rockbox to v3 (as per para. 9 of the GPL).... |
| 15:41:44 | preglow | with no copyright holder agreement or nothing? |
| 15:43:14 | linuxstb | IIUC, the (C) holder has already agreed to "any version" by not explicitly stating one. |
| 15:43:53 | GodEater | that makes sense |
| 15:44:16 | linuxstb | Para 9. of the GPL seems to cover Rockbox... |
| 15:44:31 | * | JdGordon feels the urge to be annoying and quiclkly change one of the files i have (c) of to gplv2 only :p |
| 15:44:53 | preglow | neat |
| 15:44:56 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Then we would just revert to the current version... |
| 15:45:10 | JdGordon | but.. but.... |
| 15:46:20 | petur | and get rid of the settings macros? :p |
| 15:46:47 | JdGordon | one day you all will realise just how brilliant they are!! |
| 15:46:56 | JdGordon | I may be 80 by then... but it will happen |
| 15:50:28 | preglow | the fact that mplayer itself can't seem to play its own movies correctly bodes well... |
| 15:52:30 | pondlife | GodEater: You have two point Cs in http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12607.0 |
| 15:52:53 | pondlife | But, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. |
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| 15:54:58 | pondlife | amiconn: Did you decide to take up the offer of a bad Nano from the guy on the ML? |
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| 15:59:26 | GodEater | pondlife: updated thank you |
| 15:59:43 | pondlife | np |
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| 16:02:34 | GodEater | pondlife: so when can I expect your submission ? |
| 16:03:14 | pondlife | Haha, when I've fixed playback?? |
| 16:03:45 | pondlife | Which is some time after we have a new default theme |
| 16:04:08 | pondlife | (Cyclic dependency detected.) |
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| 16:08:06 | Chronon | pondlife: Who me? |
| 16:08:35 | pondlife | no |
| 16:08:56 | Chronon | Oh, good. Someone else is offering their nano too, are they? |
| 16:09:33 | pondlife | Ah, don't know - sorry - wrong topic! |
| 16:09:52 | Chronon | My fault. That was a few minutes ago, I see. |
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| 16:10:06 | GodEater | Chronon: he means playback in general, not specifically the nano issue |
| 16:10:27 | Chronon | <pondlife> amiconn: Did you decide to take up the offer of a bad Nano from the guy on the ML? |
| 16:10:36 | Chronon | I was talking about that. . . |
| 16:10:52 | GodEater | oh - I missed that too |
| 16:10:56 | pondlife | Sorry, couldn't remember who it was that offered. |
| 16:11:25 | pondlife | But even though I don't have an iPod of any sort, it seemed a sensible way forward. |
| 16:11:52 | GodEater | pondlife is full of suggestions, but very few solutions ;) |
| 16:12:14 | pondlife | That's my speciality. |
| 16:12:24 | pondlife | I just annoy people until they do my bidding. |
| 16:12:34 | GodEater | does it work ? |
| 16:12:42 | pondlife | It's called Management |
| 16:12:46 | Chronon | haha. Well, I only have a buggy nano. If you can annoy someone into action and I send them my unit we might get somewhere! |
| 16:13:28 | * | GodEater predicts it'll magically start working again during transit |
| 16:13:58 | pondlife | Didn't we look at the stats and decide it was due to longitude or something? |
| 16:14:04 | GodEater | fairly sure |
| 16:14:17 | GodEater | something about exposure to high levels of solar wind |
| 16:14:37 | GodEater | plus whenever there's an "R" in the month |
| 16:14:47 | pondlife | lunar wind, wasn't it? |
| 16:15:01 | Chronon | Oh good. May is coming up in a couple of months |
| 16:15:07 | Chronon | :D |
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| 16:15:48 | GodEater | move north |
| 16:15:57 | pondlife | Some languages don't use R so often, try running Rockbox in another language? |
| 16:16:06 | GodEater | like Japanese |
| 16:16:13 | pondlife | No, longitude, not latitude |
| 16:16:14 | bowl | Hello. Couldn't iTunes be cracked/decompiled to find out how the firmware in nano 2G is encrypted? |
| 16:16:16 | Chronon | GodEater −− You mean East |
| 16:16:33 | B4gder | bowl: no |
| 16:16:35 | GodEater | bowl: not really no |
| 16:17:05 | bowl | Because the signature is verified on the DAP? |
| 16:17:10 | pondlife | bowl: Yes. Best bet would be to send a spy into the Apple labs. |
| 16:17:11 | GodEater | "<pondlife> Didn't we look at the stats and decide it was due to longitude or something?" <−− I agreed with the "or something" |
| 16:17:16 | pondlife | :) |
| 16:17:17 | B4gder | neither can firefox, internet explorer or google ;-9 |
| 16:17:34 | B4gder | bowl: itunes has nothing to do with the firmware encryption |
| 16:17:55 | pondlife | Funny how people give iTunes so much credit. |
| 16:18:04 | bowl | B4gder: is iTunes just used to transfer music? Or also for FW updates? |
| 16:18:07 | Chronon | I think a lot of people think that's the name of the Apple firmware. |
| 16:18:11 | * | GodEater still likes it from ripping CDs |
| 16:18:18 | B4gder | bowl: itunes is just a host program |
| 16:18:25 | GodEater | s/from/for |
| 16:18:59 | bowl | I don't use it myself, just thought if we can't find out how the sign is verified we can find out how to create a valid one |
| 16:19:24 | B4gder | bowl: but itunes won't check the sign nor generated it |
| 16:19:38 | B4gder | it most likely just gets a remote file and puts it on the ipod |
| 16:19:54 | bowl | B4gder: ah, that's the point. No chance then :-/ |
| 16:19:55 | B4gder | or possibly communicates with the running ipod firmware |
| 16:20:10 | amiconn | Chronon: I'm not sure whether sending the nano to me from the US is a good idea. Not because of shipment costs, but because of possible customs issues |
| 16:20:11 | B4gder | it would surprise me greatly if itunes would have any clues |
| 16:20:25 | B4gder | of this kind, I mean |
| 16:21:14 | amiconn | Would be easier if either someone in the EU has a problematic nano and would be willing to send it, or a dev located in the US would take your offer |
| 16:21:24 | bowl | B4gder: so you mean, FW updates are prepared and signed somewhere at Apple, and iTunes downloads them and puts to the dap? |
| 16:21:34 | B4gder | yes, I would expect so |
| 16:21:48 | pondlife | amiconn: What if someone in the EU received the nano, then sent it on to you? |
| 16:21:56 | Chronon | amiconn: linuxstb mentioned this. I'm hoping we can find a European donor or an American developer. |
| 16:21:59 | pondlife | I could do that if it helps. |
| 16:22:51 | GodEater | what? find a donor ? |
| 16:22:58 | Chronon | Does anyone have much knowledge of the customs restrictions? |
| 16:23:01 | pondlife | No, act as a customs middleman |
| 16:23:01 | GodEater | are you going to start mugging old ladies again pondlife ? |
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| 16:23:56 | pondlife | again? I don't recall doing that, although I had been drinking. |
| 16:24:03 | GodEater | hehe |
| 16:24:19 | Chronon | lol |
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| 16:25:17 | ivan` | DAP laundering |
| 16:25:21 | pondlife | Yep |
| 16:25:59 | pondlife | I don't think there's a problem with this sort of thing - both gifts and commercial samples are normally ignored by customs. |
| 16:26:14 | pondlife | This is one of those, I'm pretty sure. |
| 16:26:17 | B4gder | would you mind receiving a few unmarked boxes with suspect substances for me too? ;-) |
| 16:26:19 | pondlife | No money paid for it. |
| 16:26:50 | pondlife | B4gder: Sure. Hey - I can't be blamed if you wrote my address on a label, can I? |
| 16:26:57 | B4gder | hehe |
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| 16:27:07 | amiconn | Well, if you buy something from outside the EU, there is a (rather low) limit below which there are no fees to pay |
| 16:28:42 | amiconn | I don't know what rules apply when you receive something "for repair" |
| 16:29:14 | amiconn | pondlife: Would be the same thing. That someone would then have to pay the fee (if there is any) instead of me |
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| 16:36:53 | pondlife | amiconn: Would it not be worthwhile to continue and pay the duty from the Rockbox fund then? |
| 16:37:22 | pondlife | Seems this issue is unlikely to get fixed any faster way, sadly. |
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| 16:39:12 | B4gder | I think we can use the fund for this |
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| 16:39:59 | pondlife | Not saying that it has to be amiconn, of course - just thought he was most skilled in this area, and wondered it there was progress. |
| 16:50:57 | morrijr | is the source for the web site available somewhere? Subversion? |
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| 16:54:28 | B4gder | parts of it is in subversion |
| 16:54:40 | morrijr | front page? |
| 16:54:47 | morrijr | (not the app!) |
| 16:54:58 | B4gder | unfortunately not the front page |
| 16:55:03 | morrijr | right |
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| 17:00:46 | lazka | cool, new sansa http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/95752 (german) |
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| 17:02:08 | lazka | looks like the same GUI.. maybe they changed only the processor.. |
| 17:04:57 | lazka | here is the official press release: http://www.sandisk.com/Corporate/PressRoom/PressReleases/PressRelease.aspx?ID=3959 |
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| 17:07:28 | webguest54 | Sansa View anounced today, 16Gb with micro SDHC :) http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/8302.html |
| 17:08:05 | lazka | i've just posted it ^^ |
| 17:09:31 | chrisjs169 | "optional 8GB microSD/microSDHC card" |
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| 17:09:45 | chrisjs169 | since when are there 8GB microSD cards? |
| 17:10:32 | chrisjs169 | sad....the View can have more space than this hard drive |
| 17:11:35 | Galois | they came out last year. they don't work in all devices. |
| 17:11:50 | chrisjs169 | Galois, you sure you aren't talking about microSDHC? |
| 17:12:11 | Galois | it must be sdhc |
| 17:12:57 | chrisjs169 | i know |
| 17:13:22 | chrisjs169 | but they're implying there's 8GB non-microSDHC cards |
| 17:13:28 | * | chrisjs169 quits arguing about useless stuff |
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| 17:32:19 | Chronon | I just got a message from someone in EU who has a buggy Nano and is willing to lend it to an interested developer. |
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| 17:35:00 | The-Compiler | where are the SVN-chances now? |
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| 17:40:52 | dionoea | rockbox.org/recent.shtml |
| 17:41:02 | ivan` | how is a buggy nano different? |
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| 17:41:52 | Chronon | It suffers from a bug that has broken playback for quite a while (r13990 IIRC) |
| 17:42:09 | Chronon | There's a minority of Nano users who are having to deal with this. |
| 17:43:05 | tictoc | hey |
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| 17:47:14 | The-Compiler | What's the difference of a X5 and a X5V |
| 17:47:42 | amiconn | The V has no radio |
| 17:48:01 | tictoc | gonna be trying to install rockbox on this new e280 |
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| 17:48:23 | Chronon | amiconn: did you mention that you might be interested in looking at a buggy nano? |
| 17:49:16 | The-Compiler | amiconn: thanks |
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| 17:49:49 | tictoc | aahj man |
| 17:50:55 | einhirn | Yay - I finally solved the math problem I had in my head concerning replaygain on archos (recorder) |
| 17:51:54 | einhirn | Some code fixing to do, testing and you'll receive a patch ;) |
| 17:52:39 | tictoc | what tools do i need to install rb ? |
| 17:52:39 | tictoc | what program ? |
| 17:53:15 | The-Compiler | tictoc: You can do it manually or use RockboxUtility (RbUtil) |
| 17:53:16 | Domonoky | only zip and sansapatcher for a e280... or use rbutil.. :-) |
| 17:53:31 | tictoc | aah |
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| 18:01:05 | tictoc | rbutil crashes |
| 18:01:31 | Domonoky | really ? tell me the error.. :-) |
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| 18:02:37 | tictoc | the error is vista |
| 18:03:15 | Chronon | Ooh.. the current build got almost 5 minutes into my first track before skipping on my Nano. I started to get my hopes up that the playback bug had somehow been fixed. |
| 18:03:16 | Domonoky | :-) nobody has tested rbutil on vista.. :-) |
| 18:03:17 | tictoc | i dont get any message really |
| 18:03:30 | tictoc | until now, you mean |
| 18:04:11 | Domonoky | tictoc: jop.. would ne nice to know why it failes.. maybe it blocked by UAC ? |
| 18:04:50 | tictoc | no idea |
| 18:05:53 | Domonoky | could you try to run it as administrator ? |
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| 18:06:09 | tictoc | hmm |
| 18:06:22 | tictoc | yes.. i did run it as admin, still crashed |
| 18:06:45 | tictoc | oh |
| 18:06:45 | tictoc | forgot to mention |
| 18:07:01 | tictoc | it crashes when i select 'yes' on 'should it autodetect devices' |
| 18:07:43 | Domonoky | ah.. then i know.. :-) its the "patchers" which dont work on vista... |
| 18:07:50 | tictoc | nah.. it crashes eaither way, even when i select 'no' |
| 18:07:50 | tictoc | it just cant detect the e280 |
| 18:08:03 | tictoc | i see |
| 18:08:19 | Domonoky | so you probably also get problems when you install the bootloader via sansapatcher.. |
| 18:08:41 | tictoc | youre saying i cant install rb at all on vista? |
| 18:08:50 | Domonoky | i am not sure.. |
| 18:09:03 | Domonoky | try it with the sansapatcher as described in the manual.. |
| 18:09:20 | tictoc | ok |
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| 18:13:56 | Rincewind | is someone here who usess Git with rockbox? |
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| 18:16:29 | GodEater_ | Rincewind: I do |
| 18:16:34 | GodEater_ | only to pull though |
| 18:19:22 | Rincewind | i tried setting it up but compilation fails |
| 18:19:46 | GodEater_ | what's that got to do with git though ? |
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| 18:20:26 | Rincewind | i don't know. If I check out trough svn, then a compile works. the same revision in my git repository fails |
| 18:20:44 | Rincewind | this is one of the messages: gcc: unrecognized option '-070910"' |
| 18:21:08 | Rincewind | then comes this: main.c:118: error: missing terminating " character |
| 18:21:08 | tictoc | Domonoky, im copyin the .rockbox folder into the sansa drive |
| 18:21:20 | Domonoky | tictoc: the sansapatcher worked ? |
| 18:21:30 | GodEater_ | Rincewind: how are you getting the repo with git ? |
| 18:21:39 | Rincewind | the thing is, there is no difference in main.c (except for the id-string in the header) |
| 18:21:58 | tictoc | Domonoky, im using explorer for this |
| 18:22:00 | Rincewind | I used the second route on the wiki page |
| 18:22:01 | GodEater_ | Rincewind: what about character encoding and line endings ? |
| 18:22:21 | Chronon | tictoc: But sansapatcher ran properly? |
| 18:22:32 | tictoc | stupid thing says its "writing" |
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| 18:22:41 | tictoc | Chronon, i suppose |
| 18:22:48 | Domonoky | tictoc: read the manual.. there are two parts of the installation.. one involves sansapatcher, to install the bootloader.. |
| 18:22:50 | tictoc | i 'did' install it |
| 18:22:51 | Rincewind | it is on the same machine in ubuntu, should be the same |
| 18:22:54 | Chronon | ok |
| 18:23:16 | * | GodEater_ goes off to remind himself what the git wiki page says |
| 18:23:31 | GodEater_ | shocking really since I wrote a lot of it :) |
| 18:24:00 | Rincewind | GodEater_: do you have the $id string in the header at the top of the files? |
| 18:24:21 | GodEater_ | Rincewind: of course... |
| 18:24:45 | GodEater_ | Rincewind: so did you get it from Nico's "public repository" rather than using git svn ? |
| 18:24:49 | Rincewind | yes |
| 18:24:57 | GodEater_ | ah |
| 18:25:02 | GodEater_ | I've no idea when he last updated that |
| 18:25:40 | GodEater_ | and I never tried it or shoe horning in svn support afterwards |
| 18:25:46 | GodEater_ | s/or/for |
| 18:25:47 | Rincewind | it was about two months old. but a "git fetch" downloaded the latest revisions from svn |
| 18:25:57 | GodEater_ | hold on then |
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| 18:26:04 | GodEater_ | I'll try his method into a fresh tree |
| 18:26:08 | GodEater_ | and see if it works |
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| 18:26:56 | GodEater_ | Rincewind: will take me a few minutes - that ok ? |
| 18:27:00 | Rincewind | like I said, the only difference to a svn checkout is the missing $id in every file |
| 18:27:16 | Rincewind | no prob, I've got time |
| 18:27:43 | * | GodEater_ is also in the middle of an emerge −−sync which is chewing processor time |
| 18:28:18 | homielowe | Anyone could point me in the right direction in compiling rockbox on a mac? |
| 18:28:27 | Rincewind | my laptop battery has got 2 hours left ^^ |
| 18:29:42 | n1s | homielowe: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 18:29:55 | homielowe | n1s:thankyou |
| 18:30:11 | Domonoky | homielowe: an easy way would be to use the vmware image on macosx .. :-) |
| 18:30:54 | GodEater_ | Rincewind: I'm on the git svn fetch stage |
| 18:30:59 | homielowe | I prefer to compile natively if thats the easier way :) |
| 18:31:13 | tictoc | heh |
| 18:31:14 | tictoc | it worked |
| 18:31:42 | Chronon | good to hear, tictoc. |
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| 18:32:42 | tictoc | thanks :) |
| 18:33:39 | Chronon | It seems there's nothing fundamentally preventing the install process on Vista, then. Hopefully the fix for RButil will not be too difficult. |
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| 18:34:05 | tictoc | now i must figure out how to move music |
| 18:34:12 | Domonoky | yes.. the only problem is finding the bug in rbutil.. :-) |
| 18:34:28 | Chronon | tictoc: Explorer? |
| 18:34:56 | tictoc | the drive doesnt come up as a letter somehow |
| 18:35:06 | Chronon | Oh... I forgot that about the Sansas |
| 18:35:08 | GodEater_ | Rincewind: it's currently churning through a build now - no problems so far |
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| 18:36:38 | tictoc | yes.. now its up |
| 18:38:12 | GodEater_ | Rincewind: build finished |
| 18:38:15 | GodEater_ | no problems at all |
| 18:38:22 | tictoc | oh my dear it will take forever to transfer files |
| 18:38:32 | Rincewind | strange |
| 18:38:50 | GodEater_ | Rincewind: I assume you've not modified your source tree at all ? |
| 18:38:54 | GodEater_ | No patches or anything ? |
| 18:39:08 | Rincewind | i made a branch, applied a patch to it. |
| 18:39:13 | Rincewind | then i switched back to master |
| 18:39:33 | Rincewind | I am sure that the master wasn't changed at all by this |
| 18:39:49 | GodEater_ | so "git branch whatever" "git checkout whatever" "patch -p0 < thepatch.diff" and then "git checkout master" ? |
| 18:40:14 | GodEater_ | possibly with a "git commit -a" just before the last checkout of master |
| 18:40:38 | Rincewind | git branch whatever, git checkout whatever, ...working there... git commit -a, git checkout master, try to build |
| 18:41:00 | GodEater_ | so if you do "git branch" it shows you're on master yes / |
| 18:41:01 | GodEater_ | ? |
| 18:41:08 | Rincewind | I did a git svn rebase which pulled a one or two new commits |
| 18:41:14 | Rincewind | yes, i am on master |
| 18:41:20 | GodEater_ | do a git reset −−hard |
| 18:41:25 | GodEater_ | then try the compile again |
| 18:41:57 | Rincewind | changed nothing |
| 18:42:25 | GodEater_ | and git status shows ? |
| 18:42:31 | Rincewind | i searched with grep for this misterious gcc: unrecognized option '-070910"' but didn't find anything |
| 18:42:50 | Rincewind | nothing added to commit but untracked files present (use "git add" to track) |
| 18:43:40 | Rincewind | the untracked files are simbuild/ and a few files in tools/ which are generated during a build. nothing suspicious |
| 18:44:10 | GodEater_ | that's the date |
| 18:44:32 | GodEater_ | the -070910 |
| 18:44:41 | Rincewind | hm ok, so it is generated somewhere |
| 18:44:43 | GodEater_ | have you tried deleting your build directory |
| 18:44:45 | | Part Domonoky |
| 18:44:48 | GodEater_ | and redoing configure |
| 18:45:01 | Rincewind | yes, a few times |
| 18:45:12 | GodEater_ | which OS you on ? |
| 18:45:14 | GodEater_ | ubuntu ? |
| 18:45:25 | Rincewind | ubuntu 7.10 gutsy |
| 18:45:36 | GodEater_ | wonder if this is a dash/bash issue |
| 18:46:10 | Rincewind | the svn checkout on the same machine is working... |
| 18:46:12 | GodEater_ | and it's a sim you're trying to build, not an actual target |
| 18:46:15 | chrisjs169 | i'm on gutsy as well - what's the problem? |
| 18:47:15 | GodEater_ | he checked out the code tree using git instead of svn |
| 18:47:18 | GodEater_ | and it won't build |
| 18:47:28 | GodEater_ | Rincewind: could you pastebin the entire error please ? |
| 18:48:24 | GodEater_ | Rincewind: it still could be a dash/bash issue |
| 18:48:40 | GodEater_ | could you redo the symlink from sh->dash |
| 18:48:46 | GodEater_ | and replace it with one to bash |
| 18:48:48 | GodEater_ | ? |
| 18:49:04 | Rincewind | http://rafb.net/p/uJGuYS55.html |
| 18:49:11 | GodEater_ | the configure / make process tries to do some funky stuff with the svn version |
| 18:49:17 | GodEater_ | which doesn't work on a git tree |
| 18:49:42 | GodEater_ | and that gcc error is making me suspicious that that's the issue |
| 18:49:46 | Rincewind | GodEater, I think you are on to something there |
| 18:50:05 | GodEater_ | with bash running configure it doesn't matter - you just get left with an empty version string |
| 18:50:13 | GodEater_ | but clearly dash is tripping on it |
| 18:50:33 | GodEater_ | are you okay redoing the symlink ? |
| 18:50:57 | Rincewind | if you tell me exactly where and how... |
| 18:51:23 | GodEater_ | first do "which sh" |
| 18:51:32 | GodEater_ | and find out which directory it's in (/bin I'm guessing) |
| 18:51:41 | eigma | maybe run with make V=1 so you see the gcc command line? |
| 18:51:43 | Rincewind | I'm there |
| 18:51:59 | GodEater_ | then do "rm /bin/sh" |
| 18:52:11 | GodEater_ | followed by "ln -s /bin/bash sh" |
| 18:52:54 | GodEater_ | then wipe out your whole simbuild dir |
| 18:52:58 | GodEater_ | and re-run configure |
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| 18:54:20 | Rincewind | no, didn't change anything |
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| 18:55:06 | GodEater_ | hmm |
| 18:55:19 | GodEater_ | do you have an svnversion.sh in the tools directory ? |
| 18:55:34 | eigma | *ahem* maybe run with make V=1 so you see the gcc command line? |
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| 18:55:48 | Rincewind | eigma: I try it now |
| 18:56:04 | GodEater_ | I don't think that helps |
| 18:56:09 | GodEater_ | we know the command line is broken |
| 18:56:22 | eigma | at least we can find out *how*' it's boken |
| 18:56:40 | GodEater_ | that's somewhere in the process of constructing the Makefile |
| 18:57:42 | Rincewind | gcc -I/home/rince/rockbox/firmware/target/coldfire/iriver/h100 -I/home/rince/rockbox/firmware/target/coldfire/iriver -I/home/rince/rockbox/firmware/target/coldfire -I/home/rince/rockbox/firmware/include -I/home/rince/rockbox/firmware/export -I. -I/home/rince/rockbox/simbuild -I/home/rince/rockbox/simbuild/bitmaps -I/home/rince/rockbox/simbuild/apps -Irecorder -Igui -W -Wall -g -fno-builtin -I/usr/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT - |
| 18:57:42 | Rincewind | I/home/rince/rockbox/uisimulator/sdl -Wno-pointer-sign -fno-strict-aliasing -DIRIVER_H120 -DYEAR=2007 -DMONTH=09 -DDAY=10 -DDEBUG -DTARGET_ID=9 -DAPPSVERSION=\"rexportiert -070910\" -DSIMULATOR -DMEM=32 -DTARGET_NAME=\"h120\" -c bookmark.c -o /home/rince/rockbox/simbuild/apps/bookmark.o |
| 18:57:42 | Rincewind | gcc: unrecognized option '-070910"' |
| 18:58:27 | GodEater_ | well it's the DAPPSVERSION that's broken |
| 18:59:12 | eigma | Rincewind: in simbuild, "grep VERSION Makefile" |
| 18:59:15 | eigma | and post the output |
| 18:59:51 | Rincewind | export VERSION=$(shell $(ROOTDIR)/tools/svnversion.sh $(ROOTDIR)) |
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| 18:59:57 | preglow | anyone else have problems with mencoder and mpegplayer? |
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| 19:00:08 | eigma | Rincewind: good; now, from sim, "../tools/svnversion.sh .." and post the output |
| 19:00:17 | * | GodEater_ points upward to where he mentioned svnversion.sh earlier |
| 19:00:22 | eigma | indeed |
| 19:01:13 | Rincewind | http://rafb.net/p/9xQEom98.html |
| 19:01:31 | eigma | nah, we all have a copy of that file |
| 19:01:33 | GodEater_ | Rincewind: we didn't ask you to cat it |
| 19:01:35 | eigma | I need you to run it |
| 19:02:07 | Rincewind | ahh ok |
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| 19:02:27 | Rincewind | rexportiert -070910 |
| 19:02:38 | Rincewind | ok, there we have something |
| 19:02:46 | eigma | now, we need to debug svnexport.sh |
| 19:02:46 | GodEater_ | where the hell is that rexportiert coming from |
| 19:02:56 | eigma | go into your docs directory |
| 19:03:00 | eigma | is there a file called VERSION |
| 19:03:01 | Rincewind | maybe a german localisation? |
| 19:03:06 | preglow | linuxstb_: and any seeking progress in mpegplayer? |
| 19:03:18 | amiconn | r_exportiert |
| 19:03:28 | markun | preglow: I was watching a movie (created with mencoder) yesterday and got a "packet error" or something like that |
| 19:03:33 | amiconn | And exportiert == exported |
| 19:03:37 | GodEater_ | -070910 <−− what I get |
| 19:03:43 | Rincewind | eigma: no VERSION in docs |
| 19:04:09 | eigma | Rincewind: okay, now go to your rockbox root, and run "svnversion .; svnversion tools" and post |
| 19:04:11 | GodEater_ | svnversion just returns a string "exported" when you run it on your own |
| 19:04:15 | amiconn | But I wonder why that version string confuses gcc |
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| 19:04:23 | amiconn | It's a literal string after all... |
| 19:04:25 | eigma | amiconn: space isn't propertly quited |
| 19:04:28 | GodEater_ | amiconn: the space in it I guess |
| 19:04:28 | eigma | *quoted |
| 19:04:51 | amiconn | eigma: The whole stirng is quoted, isn't it? |
| 19:04:54 | amiconn | *string |
| 19:05:14 | amiconn | -DAPPSVERSION=\"rexportiert -070910\" |
| 19:05:19 | eigma | it's escape-quoted so that it ends up quoted to the preprocessor. but on the shell command-line, spaces are free to split into two arguments |
| 19:05:40 | eigma | proper quoting would be −−> "-DAPPS...." |
| 19:05:47 | Rincewind | I think I know the problem now. Normally it uses the svn revision, but when that isn't availiable it uses some output that says "exported xx" and my german string doesn't match this |
| 19:05:51 | amiconn | Bah, *nix shells are strange beats... |
| 19:06:03 | amiconn | Beasts even |
| 19:06:12 | eigma | Rincewind: what is the output of svnversion on those two directories? |
| 19:06:46 | Rincewind | eigma: svnversion gives "exportiert" |
| 19:06:46 | GodEater_ | Rincewind: indeed, it's not matching the string in svnversion.sh |
| 19:07:07 | Rincewind | ok, so I have to make my own svnversion.sh |
| 19:07:08 | eigma | Rincewind: what if you run: "LANG=C svnversion" |
| 19:07:20 | GodEater_ | we need to i18n our tools directory ;) |
| 19:07:22 | eigma | no, heh, that won't solve the problem for Swedish, French, Russian, etc, etc |
| 19:07:40 | Rincewind | eigma with LANG=C I get exported |
| 19:07:48 | eigma | excellent, so that's the solution |
| 19:07:55 | GodEater_ | LANG=C configure ? |
| 19:07:56 | eigma | replace "svnversion" with "LANG=C svnversion" |
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| 19:07:59 | eigma | no |
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| 19:08:06 | eigma | because this problem will just keep happening on people's systems |
| 19:08:15 | eigma | svnversion needs to get patched with LANG=C in at least two place |
| 19:08:20 | eigma | *places, that I can see |
| 19:08:28 | GodEater_ | ah - well someone with commit access should do that then |
| 19:08:40 | * | GodEater_ prods amiconn |
| 19:08:46 | eigma | amiconn: can I send you a patch? |
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| 19:10:26 | GodEater_ | eigma: put one in flyspray if he's gone all quiet |
| 19:10:31 | * | amiconn isn't sure he understands the problem |
| 19:10:52 | eigma | svnversion outputs localized strings for "exported". svnversion compares against the English localization. |
| 19:10:59 | GodEater_ | svnversion.sh checks explicitly for "exported" as a return string from svnversion |
| 19:11:21 | eigma | Rincewind: what is the output of LANG=C ./svnversion.sh |
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| 19:12:25 | * | amiconn thinks it's strange that linux has localised output from command line tools |
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| 19:13:01 | Rincewind | mom |
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| 19:13:12 | eigma | ? |
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| 19:13:19 | n1s | when I tried the latest snapshot of gcc 4.3 I got all output in swedish all of a sudden, very confusing IMO |
| 19:13:20 | Rincewind | svn: '/tools' does not exist |
| 19:13:20 | Rincewind | r-070910 |
| 19:14:01 | eigma | what about "LANG=C ./svnversion.sh .." |
| 19:14:05 | Rincewind | amiconn: I don't like this either, because most of the time the localisations are not very good |
| 19:14:32 | amiconn | I find it strange, as I don't expect it for commandline. A gui should of course be localised |
| 19:14:50 | Rincewind | eigma: -070910 |
| 19:14:57 | GodEater_ | that works then |
| 19:15:04 | n1s | anyone objects to me moving ipf specific code from pcm_playback.c to a new file firmware/target/arm/pnx0101/iriver-ifp7xx/pcm-ifp7xx.c ? |
| 19:15:18 | eigma | n1s: I almost have a patch for that |
| 19:15:30 | Rincewind | ok, so we only have to decide where to put the LANG=C, right? |
| 19:15:48 | amiconn | I'd prepend it to the 2 svnversion calls in svnversion.sh |
| 19:15:51 | eigma | Rincewind: well, I don't like "-070910" as an output from svnversion.sh |
| 19:15:53 | n1s | eigma: oh, how finished is it and will you submit it soon? |
| 19:16:36 | eigma | n1s: builds all hardware arm targets, haven't tried sims. I don't have a device, so I can't test that. I also don't have commit so I'll just have to put it in flyspray. |
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| 19:16:56 | eigma | Rincewind: doesn't give any information about your revision |
| 19:16:57 | amiconn | Iiuc svnversion.sh is supposed to output unknown-YYMMDD if it doesn't find the revision |
| 19:17:04 | eigma | amiconn: exactly |
| 19:17:24 | n1s | eigma: if you put it on flyspray I can commit it if no one obejcts |
| 19:17:35 | Rincewind | this is the string that should come out of it: "r14662-070910" |
| 19:17:39 | eigma | n1s: give me a day or so |
| 19:17:56 | Rincewind | unknown-date looks ok, too |
| 19:18:16 | eigma | Rincewind: once again, from your root rockbox directory, what is the output of "svnversion .; svnversion tools" |
| 19:18:18 | amiconn | Rincewind: Not if you run it on a source tree that is not an svn working copy |
| 19:18:32 | amiconn | Aren't there quotes missing in snversion.sh line 22? |
| 19:18:43 | eigma | doesn't make a difference because there are no spaces |
| 19:19:10 | eigma | it's just a command line, and the first quotes are removed before passing to the "[" command anyway |
| 19:19:18 | amiconn | Okay, but it's odd to use quotes in line 18 and no quotes in line 22 imho |
| 19:19:31 | eigma | I'm just saying it's functionally correct |
| 19:19:35 | eigma | but i agree that it's bad style |
| 19:19:39 | Rincewind | eigma: the output is "exportiert" (without quotes) |
| 19:19:44 | eigma | Rincewind: for both? |
| 19:19:49 | Rincewind | for both, yes |
| 19:20:24 | eigma | then the output of an unmodified svnversion.sh, without LANG=C, should be rexportiert-YYMMDD |
| 19:20:34 | eigma | Rincewind: can you confirm this/ |
| 19:20:55 | amiconn | On my linux box, 'svnversion' outputs 'exportiert' but 'LANG=C svnversion' outputs 'exported' |
| 19:21:05 | Rincewind | rexportiert -070910 |
| 19:21:22 | Rincewind | there is a space between rexportiert and - |
| 19:21:27 | eigma | indeed |
| 19:21:44 | amiconn | There is a space at the end of the localised string: 'exportiert ' |
| 19:22:01 | eigma | oh! |
| 19:22:07 | eigma | well, that's silly |
| 19:22:18 | amiconn | Yes it is, but it's also a fact... |
| 19:22:25 | eigma | indeed |
| 19:22:38 | amiconn | So the LANG=C will fix the problem |
| 19:23:01 | preglow | who did the eq presets, again? |
| 19:23:08 | eigma | I would agree; prepend LANG=C before svnversion. I would also add a comment stating why it's necessary. I can make the patch, but it's pretty easy |
| 19:23:23 | eigma | preglow: someone with an English-localized machine ;) |
| 19:23:56 | preglow | i think it's really weird all the lowshelf filtesr have a 60 hz cutoff, the effect on the bass is almost non-existant |
| 19:24:06 | eigma | oh, lol |
| 19:24:10 | eigma | my bad |
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| 19:26:20 | Rincewind | I just made the fix locally and I am doing a compile now. No errors sofar |
| 19:27:34 | amiconn | eigma: line 27 should set SVNVER not SVNALT iiuc... |
| 19:27:56 | eigma | amiconn: yes |
| 19:27:57 | amiconn | (but the 'unknown' thing still doesn't work with that fix...) |
| 19:28:22 | eigma | could you be more explicit? |
| 19:28:42 | amiconn | I get 'r-070910' if I run the script on an arbitrary dir |
| 19:28:48 | Rincewind | amiconn: I think so too, SVNVER is the output |
| 19:28:55 | amiconn | Ah, and I know why... |
| 19:29:09 | eigma | using $1 instead of $TOP? |
| 19:29:40 | amiconn | If the second 'svnver' call _fails_, the output is not "exported" so line 25 sets SVNVER, not line 27 ... |
| 19:29:52 | eigma | *sigh* |
| 19:30:02 | amiconn | And if there's not 'tools' sub-dir, it does of course fail... |
| 19:30:08 | amiconn | s/not/no/ |
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| 19:34:06 | Rincewind | with the LANG=C fix my rockbox-info.txt has this line "Version: -070910" |
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| 19:34:35 | eigma | yeah, because svnversion is broken for two exported's |
| 19:37:20 | Rincewind | thank you all for debugging this for me! |
| 19:39:57 | GodEater_ | amiconn: Will viewports allow WPS creators to use different fonts ? |
| 19:40:10 | GodEater_ | or is that still going to be a strict no-no ? |
| 19:40:15 | eigma | Rincewind: get this svnversion: http://www.scesoc.ca/~cat/arm/mrobe/svnversion.sh |
| 19:40:37 | amiconn | GodEater: That would have nothing to do with viewports. And imo it's a no-no |
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| 19:41:03 | GodEater_ | amiconn: thought as much |
| 19:42:06 | coma- | Hi! I'm trying to install Rockbox on my Sansa e250, and I've tried both MSC and MTP USB modes, and even Recovery Mode, but the sansapatcher (Windows, running Vista 64) never detects it. |
| 19:43:19 | Rincewind | eigma: thanks. I got my version of the script running and I think I just wait for it to appear in svn |
| 19:43:41 | Rincewind | eigma: but if you want I can test it for you |
| 19:43:44 | eigma | please |
| 19:44:47 | Rincewind | rince@ankh-morpork:/tmp$ ./svnversion.sh |
| 19:44:47 | Rincewind | svn: '../tools' does not exist |
| 19:44:47 | Rincewind | unknown-070910 |
| 19:44:50 | advcomp2019 | coma-, do you have a rhapsody edition or plain |
| 19:45:06 | coma- | plain, and the American version I think because I have FM radio |
| 19:45:21 | eigma | Rincewind: and in your source/simbuild/tools directories? |
| 19:45:35 | eigma | Rincewind: also, try running it from your source, but with "/" as the first argument |
| 19:45:52 | Rincewind | I thougt I take the easy way first ^^ |
| 19:46:06 | coma- | advcomp: what is UMS mode? Is it the same as MSC? |
| 19:46:19 | advcomp2019 | yes it is |
| 19:46:48 | coma- | bah |
| 19:47:01 | coma- | is there any way i could manually install it? :x |
| 19:47:49 | eigma | amiconn: could you also test that script, make sure it works correctly in all situations? |
| 19:48:09 | amiconn | It doesn't |
| 19:48:19 | eigma | what's the corner case this time? |
| 19:48:33 | amiconn | It will also output 'r-YYMMDD' if the command fails |
| 19:48:41 | Rincewind | rince@ankh-morpork:~/rockbox/simbuild$ ../tools/svnversion.sh . |
| 19:48:41 | Rincewind | svn: 'tools' does not exist |
| 19:48:41 | Rincewind | unknown-070910 |
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| 19:48:41 | Rincewind | rince@ankh-morpork:~/rockbox/simbuild$ ../tools/svnversion.sh / |
| 19:48:41 | Rincewind | svn: '/tools' does not exist |
| 19:48:42 | *** | Alert Mode level 1 |
| 19:48:42 | Rincewind | unknown-070910 |
| 19:48:56 | amiconn | eh? |
| 19:49:18 | advcomp2019 | coma-, i am not sure |
| 19:49:26 | eigma | amiconn: show me |
| 19:50:17 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 19:50:17 | * | amiconn is completely confused now and will refrain from committing changes to that script |
| 19:50:22 | eigma | looks good when svnversion doesn't exist: PATH="/bin" ./svnversion.sh |
| 19:50:34 | eigma | ./svnversion.sh: 38: svnversion: not found / unknown-070910 |
| 19:51:21 | eigma | the tab style is 4 spaces? |
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| 19:54:49 | Rincewind | eigma: yes |
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| 19:57:18 | eigma | *sigh* I was supposed to get textbooks today, and look what I'm doing |
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| 20:01:53 | eigma | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7748 |
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| 20:03:16 | userek | hi |
| 20:03:32 | userek | is there any chance for ipod shuffle 2g support? :) |
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| 20:03:45 | preglow | my, those chances are small |
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| 20:04:00 | userek | unlike 1g it has some arm procesor so there is a compiller for it |
| 20:05:20 | preglow | well, if the core is anything like on the nano2g, we have no idea how it works |
| 20:05:34 | preglow | and if the encryption is anything like on the nano2g, we can't stuff code on it anyway |
| 20:06:08 | userek | well, probably there is some encryption |
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| 20:06:34 | Rincewind | amiconn: I think eigma's fix at #7748 can be commited. I tested it with a svn tree (where it correctly outputs the revision) and my git tree (where it prints unknown) |
| 20:06:59 | userek | damn, my dreams about the better firmware for shuffle are gone :P |
| 20:08:39 | * | bluebrother wonders why a function is needed for that fix |
| 20:09:02 | preglow | userek: not gone, just, really, really remote |
| 20:10:01 | bluebrother | hmm, since-4weeks.html isn't linked anymore :/ |
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| 20:11:44 | Rincewind | bluebrother, I miss since-4weeks, too |
| 20:11:58 | bluebrother | well, I notices the page itself is still around. |
| 20:12:15 | bluebrother | but the new front page looks really ugly on my not-so-wide monitor |
| 20:12:18 | Rincewind | the commit messages on the front page would be nice, too |
| 20:12:45 | bluebrother | why not put everything to a "News" page and just leave the svn log on the front page? |
| 20:15:21 | coma- | I'm looking for RbutilQt, and I've googled a little but can't seem to find it. Any ideas? Or well, I did find one, but I don't know if it's the latest version. |
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| 20:15:37 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/RockboxUtilityQt :) |
| 20:15:51 | Domonoky | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt |
| 20:16:09 | coma- | Thanks :) |
| 20:16:30 | bluebrother | btw, it's linked from the Docs Index wiki page ;-) |
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| 20:20:25 | coma- | >< well, didn't search anywhere |
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| 20:20:42 | coma- | but both rbutilqt and sansapatcher can't detect my e250 ;_; |
| 20:21:33 | bluebrother | well rbutil uses sansapatcher, so if one doesn't detect the player the other one most likely won't too. |
| 20:21:40 | coma- | bleh ;_; |
| 20:21:48 | bluebrother | have you checked to have the correct permissions for raw disc access? |
| 20:22:28 | coma- | well, i'm on vista and logged on as admin, and i used the sansa firmware updater earlier today, so it should be ok |
| 20:22:38 | Domonoky | and that the sansa is in msc mode.. (you can see it as a drive letter) |
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| 20:22:42 | coma- | yup |
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| 20:23:08 | bluebrother | maybe it's a vista issue? I don't think sansapatcher was tested on vista ... |
| 20:23:19 | coma- | bleh |
| 20:23:23 | preglow | people use vista??? |
| 20:23:23 | coma- | ill just go try it on my dad's laptop |
| 20:23:34 | coma- | it's not even close to being as bad as people say |
| 20:23:45 | bluebrother | and if it's a vista issue, maybe you could help fixing it? ;-) |
| 20:23:47 | coma- | this is the only thing that didn't work in nearly 3 months |
| 20:24:00 | coma- | me? o_o how? |
| 20:24:05 | bluebrother | windows is bad anyway :P |
| 20:24:24 | coma- | yeah, but linux is a bit of a headache for me =p |
| 20:24:32 | advcomp2019 | that is why i keep xp |
| 20:24:39 | bluebrother | can't be. Windows is the real headache ;-) |
| 20:24:41 | advcomp2019 | and linux |
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| 20:25:21 | coma- | all the linux distros i tried give me a black screen with the nvidia 8800gts |
| 20:25:36 | coma- | except when you run them in safe graphics mode, but after install they still give a black screen =\ |
| 20:25:46 | amiconn | I think that sansapatcher stumbles upon uac |
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| 20:28:19 | linuxstb | amiconn: uac? |
| 20:28:28 | eigma | bluebrother: well, because the function gets called twice.. so it avoids code duplication |
| 20:28:42 | amiconn | linuxstb: user account control, a vista safety feature |
| 20:29:12 | linuxstb | Ah yes, I seem to remember a forum post about that for either sansapatcher or ipodpatcher. |
| 20:29:54 | Rincewind | btw: i tried to update the bootloader for the sansa e280 of my brother and rbutilqt failed (on windows2000) |
| 20:30:13 | bluebrother | any error message? |
| 20:30:30 | Rincewind | I don't remember and I am not at home at the moment |
| 20:31:08 | Rincewind | a rockbox update did work |
| 20:31:55 | Rincewind | I have to shut down now, my battery is empty |
| 20:31:57 | Rincewind | bye |
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| 20:32:05 | bluebrother | well, I previously had the impression that something is fishy regarding sansapatcher. Unfortunately I have no possiblitly for testing. |
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| 20:37:29 | thegeek | ugh |
| 20:37:33 | thegeek | the new front page layout is horrible |
| 20:38:47 | BigMac_ | I agreee too kind of |
| 20:39:20 | bluebrother | yeps. It's too wide and leaves out interesting information (svn commit messages) |
| 20:39:24 | coma- | well.. i went and tried sansapatcher on my dad's XP laptop, and it didn't work there either |
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| 20:44:02 | linuxstb | coma-: Are you logged in as Adminstator (or a user with admin rights)? |
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| 20:46:27 | amiconn | linuxstb: Even as admin, uac will prevent sansapatcher from working |
| 20:46:45 | amiconn | (on vista of course) |
| 20:47:22 | tumu | sansapatcher doesn't have enough spyware in it to work on vista :) |
| 20:47:23 | linuxstb | That sounds a bit severe... |
| 20:48:22 | amiconn | Well, the main problem regarding security on XP wasn't that XP is insecure by design, but its default configuration is insecure, |
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| 20:48:58 | coma- | linuxstb: yup |
| 20:49:08 | coma- | and disabling uac is the first thing i did after installing vista |
| 20:49:12 | coma- | so freaking annoying |
| 20:49:32 | low_light | got a question...the c200 bootloader loads the firmware to 0x14000000, but that's not in dram? |
| 20:49:38 | coma- | and like i said, it doesn't work on my dad's XP laptop, also running as admin |
| 20:49:39 | amiconn | because all users created during setup have administrative rights, meaning that users with little knowledge usually work with admin rightds all the time |
| 20:49:51 | coma- | not really |
| 20:50:03 | coma- | most people work with admin on XP because many everyday things require you to have admin |
| 20:50:12 | coma- | like installing some games |
| 20:50:18 | linuxstb | coma:-: 1) It's definitely an E250, not E250R? 2) It's in UMS mode, and it appears as a drive letter? |
| 20:50:23 | amiconn | installing != daily work |
| 20:50:24 | coma- | yup |
| 20:50:29 | coma- | it is |
| 20:50:37 | amiconn | So microsoft invented uac, meaning that even programs started by admins don't get admin rights without explicitly requesting them |
| 20:51:02 | amiconn | And even if you need to install something, there is "Run as...". Works with most setups |
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| 20:51:04 | coma- | well, they copied the idea off linux to add security, but it's hugely annoying |
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| 20:51:36 | coma- | but run as didn't exist in XP, and i run as admin just so i don't have to deal with all that |
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| 20:51:42 | amiconn | It did |
| 20:51:54 | amiconn | I am using it very often |
| 20:51:56 | coma- | can't be bothered, and i don't really click links |
| 20:51:58 | bluebrother | runas even existed in w2k |
| 20:51:59 | coma- | it did? |
| 20:52:09 | coma- | well, my bad then |
| 20:52:12 | bluebrother | though you needed to call it manually iirc. |
| 20:52:22 | coma- | still, sansapatcher doesn't work =[ |
| 20:52:37 | coma- | it'd be great if i could download the bootloader rom somewhere |
| 20:52:56 | coma- | if you drop it in the sansa hidden partition (that you can get to show when you run it in recovery mode), it restarts and installs it by itself |
| 20:53:19 | linuxstb | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/ |
| 20:53:49 | coma- | woo |
| 20:53:51 | coma- | lets try |
| 20:53:53 | linuxstb | If you do that, make sure you have a copy of the original firmware mi4 as well - rename it to OF.mi4 and put it in the /System folder. |
| 20:54:13 | linuxstb | Otherwise dual-boot won't work and you'll lose USB functionality... |
| 20:54:21 | coma- | hm |
| 20:54:24 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:54:35 | coma- | it comes as an exe though =\ |
| 20:54:39 | coma- | time to find the temp dir |
| 20:55:08 | coma- | or not =p |
| 20:55:11 | linuxstb | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
| 20:55:13 | coma- | it just copies it to the hidden partition |
| 20:55:18 | * | linuxstb feels like google |
| 20:55:37 | coma- | yeah i know that page, but it has a more up to date version that seems slower than the one i have o_o |
| 20:56:02 | coma- | but the PP5022.mi4 of the original one doesn't seem to be just the bootloader, but the firmware as well |
| 20:56:05 | coma- | it's 5mb big |
| 20:56:15 | coma- | it also created another file called BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom |
| 20:56:40 | linuxstb | Yes, the mi4 is the firmwre, BL_ is the bootloader |
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| 20:57:51 | coma- | hm, /System as in the one in the MSC mode drive? |
| 20:58:33 | linuxstb | Yes |
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| 20:59:46 | coma- | yay |
| 20:59:49 | coma- | rockbox loaded |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:20 | coma- | ;_; |
| 21:00:34 | coma- | said Bad checksum when it tried to load /System/OF.mi4 |
| 21:00:40 | coma- | is there any specific version i should have? |
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| 21:05:10 | coma- | linuxstb? ;_; |
| 21:07:30 | advcomp2019 | coma-, what version of the sansa firmware did you install |
| 21:07:55 | coma- | i had the base one, 01.00.12 |
| 21:08:48 | coma- | ill try using the one from http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4.html |
| 21:09:28 | bluebrother | Domonoky: do you know how to figure the PID / VIDs of usb devices on windows? |
| 21:10:16 | bluebrother | I was googling around quite a bit the other day but either wasn't successful or didn't got it working |
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| 21:10:46 | coma- | the daniel one works :x |
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| 21:21:44 | Domonoky | bluebrother: no that seems to be difficult, especially the mapping of Pid&vids to drives.. |
| 21:22:43 | Domonoky | bluebrother: a possible (and crossplattform ) way would be to use libusb i think... but then we have a added depency.. |
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| 21:24:24 | linuxstb | libusb hasn't proven straightforward so far on Windows... |
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| 21:31:16 | bluebrother | Domonoky: the problem with libusb is that it requires a driver on windows ... and I'd like to be able detecting the player type without any additional installs at least. |
| 21:37:08 | preglow | then do some windows specific code as well |
| 21:37:11 | preglow | that doesn't need libusb |
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| 21:37:47 | bluebrother | that way my idea −− I just such with windows and didn't manage to get it working ;-) |
| 21:37:58 | bluebrother | maybe it's also related to the fact that I'm using mingw. |
| 21:40:10 | preglow | mingw should work nice |
| 21:40:49 | bluebrother | seems I need to investigate harder. Just hoped someone is more used to that stuff than I am |
| 21:41:11 | preglow | i've used mingw for tons of windows stuff, but never anything usb |
| 21:44:08 | n1s | amiconn: is loading a short from memory much slower than loading a long for coldfire or arm? |
| 21:45:29 | preglow | depends on alignment |
| 21:45:31 | tictoc | arm's are risc processors, right? |
| 21:45:36 | preglow | tictoc: yes |
| 21:45:55 | preglow | loading an unaligned short is slower on coldfire, and perhaps even one cycles slower anyway (can't remember the last) |
| 21:46:01 | preglow | on arm, it's not slower, afaik |
| 21:46:17 | preglow | and now that i think about it, it being slower on coldfire for aligned access makes no sense... |
| 21:46:17 | amiconn | Loading a short is never slower than loading a long. However, loading 2 shorts instead of one long is always slower |
| 21:46:45 | n1s | preglow: I was looking at some of the const iram tables in tremor and some of those don't need to be longs which could save a bit of iram which will be usefull if we want to use gcc 4.x sometime |
| 21:46:47 | coma- | i tried to load pacbox and it seems the rom is missing? it says No ROMs in /.rockbox/pacman/ |
| 21:46:59 | coma- | do i have to download it like Doom? |
| 21:47:16 | n1s | well, I guess I'll have to do a bit of trial & error benchamarking then :-) |
| 21:47:35 | linuxstb_ | coma-: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox |
| 21:47:49 | preglow | n1s: useful anyway, if you ask me |
| 21:47:53 | n1s | coma-: yep, you need to dump the roms from your pacman arcade machine |
| 21:47:56 | DefineByte | do you have a load of rockbox links in a script? :D |
| 21:48:04 | amiconn | n1s: Hmm, in that case the sign extension will be an extra cost. |
| 21:48:15 | linuxstb_ | DefineByte: I'm a bot. |
| 21:48:15 | coma- | thanks again :p |
| 21:48:35 | preglow | amiconn: right, our coldfire has no sign-extending load, does it |
| 21:48:40 | preglow | that's a v4 feature, i think |
| 21:48:54 | amiconn | coldfire doesn't extend at all on load |
| 21:49:11 | n1s | amiconn: will it sign extend for unsigned too? |
| 21:49:15 | preglow | there's an mvs instruction, i think, but we don't have it |
| 21:49:28 | amiconn | n1s: Unsigned needs to be zero extended |
| 21:49:38 | DefineByte | if you're a bot you must be pretty smart. i didn't mention your name but you knew it was a q for you. x) |
| 21:49:40 | amiconn | arm zero extends by default iirc |
| 21:49:59 | amiconn | SH1 (not relevant regarding Tremor) always sign-extends |
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| 21:51:52 | webguest52 | Hola gang. Any one know if Rockbox works as is on the new 160GB iPod "Classic?" I don't have one yet, or I'd just try it myself. |
| 21:52:26 | Bagder | it doesn't |
| 21:52:40 | preglow | any photos of it nude yet? |
| 21:52:46 | Bagder | yes |
| 21:52:50 | preglow | url? |
| 21:53:00 | DefineByte | do the head-fi ones count? |
| 21:53:02 | Bagder | http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod/iPod-Classic |
| 21:53:09 | Bagder | http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPod/iPod-Nano-3rd-Generation |
| 21:53:26 | Bagder | not very hires, but still |
| 21:53:34 | DefineByte | are you allowed to post that kind of porn here? |
| 21:53:51 | preglow | Bagder: seen any chip id attempts? |
| 21:54:27 | Bagder | nope, but its fun to compare with this pic => http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/ipod-2g.ars/4 |
| 21:54:31 | Bagder | 2nd gen nano |
| 21:54:36 | n1s | meh, this will not be possible to benchmark as those tables are only used for floor0 and afaik our codec can't handle those files... |
| 21:54:49 | preglow | n1s: it does, i think |
| 21:54:51 | preglow | but not optimally |
| 21:55:20 | n1s | preglow: any idea where I can find such a file then? |
| 21:55:26 | preglow | nope |
| 21:55:40 | preglow | but i wouldn't waste any iram on floor0 files |
| 21:55:42 | preglow | they are very rare |
| 21:56:01 | webguest52 | Thanks for the info. I'll keep an eye on the projects if/when I get my 160. |
| 21:56:54 | maxkelley | anyone have the c200 working who noticed lack of volume? |
| 21:57:00 | linuxstb | Bagder: Did you see my comments re. para 9 of the GPL? |
| 21:57:10 | n1s | preglow: I know, but we waste plenty of iram on those although I don't know if we can use it for something better, with gcc3.4 most of the important code fits in iram with -O3 |
| 21:57:26 | Bagder | linuxstb: yes, but I haven't read it through not given it the proper thought yet |
| 21:57:56 | MikeTk | if I want to use the audio buffer in my plugin can I just call plugin_get_audio_buffer() and use the returned addrress, or is there more I have to do? |
| 21:58:08 | eigma | how the heck is ARM a RISC processor? it's got one of the most complex instruction sets I've seen |
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| 21:59:03 | linuxstb | MikeTk: I think that should be enough. That function should take care of everything else (i.e. stopping audio playback). |
| 21:59:05 | Bagder | eigma: you checked POWER? |
| 21:59:16 | MikeTk | thanks |
| 21:59:23 | Bagder | RISC these days aren't much "reduced" instruction sets |
| 21:59:32 | eigma | "POWER"? |
| 21:59:38 | eigma | you mean power consumption? |
| 21:59:39 | Bagder | yes? |
| 21:59:42 | maxkelley | or, is there a reason why there should be clicks when the volume gets turned up above 0ish, but is barely audible, when the sansa fw can do much higher volume. |
| 21:59:45 | Bagder | power as the father of powerpc |
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| 22:00:16 | eigma | does that also have a very complex instruction set? |
| 22:00:23 | Bagder | another risc cpu with a very large set of instructions |
| 22:00:28 | Bagder | quite complex, yes |
| 22:00:57 | Bagder | afaik, MIPS is one of the original risc ones that truly has a small set |
| 22:00:59 | eigma | my conception of RISC is the PIC's instruction set |
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| 22:03:31 | preglow | eigma: you mad? it's only got about 30 instructions or so |
| 22:03:46 | preglow | eigma: some of the instructions can do a lot, but the instruction set itself is still small |
| 22:03:51 | eigma | not exactly "mad" - just confused; and we should probably take this in -community |
| 22:04:01 | preglow | mad is common too :P |
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| 22:04:22 | preglow | arm isn't as risc as sh, but i think that's a good thing |
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| 22:04:37 | preglow | risc isn't exactly all it was touted to be once |
| 22:04:43 | Bagder | indeed not |
| 22:04:57 | Bagder | risc is now more a fixed instruction size and pipelines, or something like that |
| 22:05:03 | preglow | as with most other things in life, i think a balanced approach is best |
| 22:05:12 | eigma | I like the ARM instruction set very much, actually; I just have a different definition of RISC than Wikipedia ;) |
| 22:05:19 | greenlemon | hey! i was wondering where i can get recent patched versions so i can use the different themes, evilg's uses a quite old build from may :\ |
| 22:05:24 | preglow | arm is pretty decent |
| 22:05:31 | preglow | i prefer coldfire, but it's not bad at all |
| 22:06:20 | eigma | could someone who can commit take another look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7748 |
| 22:06:36 | DefineByte | greenlemon: you might want to look into compiling your own. |
| 22:06:47 | preglow | i don't feel too qualified to commit that |
| 22:07:10 | eigma | preglow: can you test it and add comments? |
| 22:07:38 | preglow | i'd rather prefer not to :> working on non-rockbox stuff right now |
| 22:07:42 | greenlemon | i once actually did compile but i've formatted my pc since and its a bit of a hassle to install everything again, i was just wondering if there is anything like ready made avaiable online or so |
| 22:08:32 | DefineByte | not one that is updated that often |
| 22:09:09 | greenlemon | oh ok |
| 22:09:37 | greenlemon | do you know any launched after the 7th of august though? |
| 22:10:10 | Chronon | The VMWare image is pre-configured. Not much hassle at all. |
| 22:10:28 | DefineByte | any builds will likely be in the forum |
| 22:10:32 | greenlemon | oh ok |
| 22:10:34 | greenlemon | thanks! :) |
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| 22:16:51 | Rincewind | eigma: about the svnversion.sh patch - maybe it is better not to rewrite the whole file. The function adds more lines of code and is called only twice anyway. People prefer KISS here. |
| 22:18:10 | Rincewind | But I don't know really, my own patches have a tendancy to sit on the tracker for ages without making it... |
| 22:18:47 | preglow | functions are kiss... |
| 22:20:03 | n1s | Rincewind: the you either make patches that noone want's to commit or you don't nag us enough :-) |
| 22:20:21 | maxkelley | For anyone who care about the c200 port, I added patches to get plugins working at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7749 |
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| 22:20:36 | maxkelley | Make sure to use the one I put in the first comment of the task instead of the actual task |
| 22:21:38 | Rincewind | I suppose I nagged about the rec button patch enough... The best attribute about it might be 'controversial' |
| 22:22:24 | maxkelley | what's it about? |
| 22:22:34 | n1s | Rincewind: that kind of change is very controversial here and no one likes to commit stuff like that unless there is at least some support from the rest of the devs |
| 22:23:28 | Rincewind | n1s: I know :( |
| 22:23:36 | n1s | maxkelley: how does your new patch relate to #7732 ? |
| 22:24:00 | maxkelley | It's a replacement.. how can I modify the previous one/delete it? |
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| 22:24:07 | maxkelley | and an addition. |
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| 22:25:33 | Rincewind | maxkelly: there is no way to replace an attachment in a flyspray entry. You have to comment with your new versions |
| 22:26:21 | maxkelley | ah, ok. I moused over my name though, and it says "ability to edit own tasks −− yes" |
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| 22:26:29 | eigma | Rincewind: ask and ye shall receive - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7748 - can you please test the minimal patch? |
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| 22:27:21 | n1s | maxkelley: I can close it if you'd like |
| 22:27:26 | eigma | btw, I got a "Warning: mime_magic: invalid type 0 in mconvert()." message at the top of the page after uploading; is this known? |
| 22:27:42 | Rincewind | eigma: that's exactly the change I made myself |
| 22:27:51 | maxkelley | n1s: that'd be nice.. the newer one replaces it entirely. |
| 22:28:11 | maxkelley | well, more accurately, it includes it. |
| 22:28:36 | n1s | maxkelley: ok, closed |
| 22:28:54 | Rincewind | eigma: I don't know if the minimal version is liked better by the core devs. I just wouldn't like this patch to be forgotten because it changes too much and isn't commited because of this |
| 22:28:56 | maxkelley | thanks. |
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| 22:29:13 | eigma | sure, I understand |
| 22:29:17 | eigma | the options are there |
| 22:29:38 | eigma | should I create a mediumly minimal patch? ;) |
| 22:29:44 | Rincewind | eigma: I can't test it right now, because I don't have git on this computer at the moment |
| 22:30:21 | amiconn | Hmm, I checked again, and now I understand how that patch works |
| 22:30:30 | amiconn | I like the version using a function better |
| 22:30:39 | * | eigma cheers |
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| 22:31:15 | amiconn | First I overlooked that the command output is checked twice |
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| 22:32:41 | Rincewind | when this gets commited I get a chance to find out how git handles conflicts and reverting of files ^^ |
| 22:33:02 | eigma | Rincewind: why do you use git as opposed to svn? |
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| 22:33:23 | * | bluebrother wonders why using git-svn hinders someone from using svn the same time |
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| 22:33:52 | Rincewind | eigma: First of all to try it out. The second reason is, that I want to try to use the same code base on my desktop pc and my laptop |
| 22:33:53 | * | amiconn can't see any advantage in using git |
| 22:34:07 | eigma | cool |
| 22:34:24 | * | scorche hands amiconn some glasses |
| 22:34:32 | maxkelley | heh |
| 22:34:40 | Bagder | git has some upsides and some downsides, I'd say |
| 22:34:43 | bluebrother | git has some advantages, especially when working offline. But I agree that there is no real advantage for the main rockbox repo |
| 22:34:47 | Rincewind | bluebrother: I don't know, maybe it is possible to use both in paralell. |
| 22:34:55 | bluebrother | well, I do. |
| 22:35:15 | scorche | the only disadvantages i see are the work required to change to a new system, and devs being more familiar with SVN than git |
| 22:35:23 | bluebrother | it's simply two different trees ... why should there be a problem in using both? |
| 22:35:49 | bluebrother | no good git client for windows is another great disadvantage IMO |
| 22:35:56 | Bagder | scorche: the lack of a windows version may be considered a con to some... |
| 22:36:06 | scorche | ah...forgot about that as well |
| 22:36:08 | eigma | um, is it possible to use the rockbox sim over network X11? |
| 22:36:15 | Bagder | eigma: yes |
| 22:36:18 | eigma | sorry, *goes to wiki* |
| 22:36:21 | maxkelley | I don't see any reason why not.. |
| 22:36:39 | * | bluebrother too slow |
| 22:36:49 | eigma | well, it barfed some stuff about fbdev, and I figured it may only work with a real /dev/fb0 |
| 22:37:23 | amiconn | Cygwin provides git |
| 22:37:37 | Bagder | amiconn: yes, but today people can use tortoise for example |
| 22:37:46 | Bagder | native windows, not cygwin |
| 22:37:57 | amiconn | I know. |
| 22:38:03 | * | amiconn doesn't like tortoise |
| 22:38:05 | scorche | i would not wish on anyone to be required to use cygwin... |
| 22:38:06 | XavierGr_ | I hope more companies would choose the same path as AMD.... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NjA0Ng |
| 22:38:46 | scorche | XavierGr_: we have a channel for offtopic conversation now ;) |
| 22:38:47 | eigma | XavierGr_: that's awesome |
| 22:39:17 | maxkelley | wow, that's pretty nice. |
| 22:39:30 | XavierGr_ | scorche: I don't find it off-topic it has to do with PP that require ndas |
| 22:39:51 | Rincewind | bluebrother: I suppose I coud check out and update rockbox using svn and import this tree in git. Then I would have to commit every svn update in my git repository. The way I use git-svn now is easier to maintain for me, the only 'problem' is that I don't have svn revision numbers |
| 22:39:52 | XavierGr_ | a major hindrance in rockbox develpment |
| 22:39:54 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/09/manufacturers-hate-customers/ |
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| 22:40:12 | scorche | XavierGr_: yes, but it is amd...not nvidia |
| 22:40:30 | Bagder | I wonder what that new sansa has inside |
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| 22:40:40 | scorche | as well, just a GPU and not embedded SoC |
| 22:40:41 | eigma | love |
| 22:40:43 | bluebrother | Rincewind: I don't see your point: git svn rebase simply does updating. And you can svn co to a different folder anyway |
| 22:40:50 | bluebrother | that's the way I'm working. |
| 22:40:52 | maxkelley | I hate that manufacturers think that customers are too stupid to use a screwdriver, or at least don't provide for those that are able to. |
| 22:41:02 | Bagder | that big screen and video support sounds like it needs some power for it |
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| 22:41:31 | Rincewind | bluebrother: I think I don't understand what you are saying |
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| 22:43:22 | alienbiker99 | is there any reason why the H10 20gb freezes after everysong? |
| 22:43:26 | scorche | Bagder: what are your thoughts on this issue with dual-booting for the Rs?...the part i dont get about the whole thing, is that i dual-boot just fine |
| 22:43:57 | Bagder | I would say it seems like there's a problem there for some people... |
| 22:44:16 | Bagder | tracking that down might require some fun poking and disassembly or similar |
| 22:44:39 | scorche | yes, but wouldnt one think that i would have a problem as well?...it seems like i am the only one who has no issues with it |
| 22:44:47 | maxkelley | scorche: did you build your own rockbox? if so, does your rockbox build allow dual-booting on other R's? |
| 22:45:10 | scorche | maxkelley: i performed the installation, and then write that tutorial of what i did for everyone else to use |
| 22:45:18 | scorche | s/write/wrote |
| 22:46:01 | Bagder | well, perhaps there's something of a coincidence or whatever. Clearly people have problems... and when they have rockbox running and they can select the OF, I can't see how they could have messed up in very many wats |
| 22:46:14 | Bagder | ways |
| 22:46:29 | scorche | i cant either...it just seems very odd that i am the only one who can dual boot |
| 22:46:47 | maxkelley | oh, and my C200 can't boot the OF :) The sansa firmware.mi4 goes in SYSTEM/OF.mi4, right? |
| 22:46:48 | Bagder | I agree |
| 22:47:04 | Rincewind | Bagder: do you mind if I submit your blog post to programming.reddit.com? |
| 22:47:12 | Bagder | feel free |
| 22:47:17 | maxkelley | I'll vote it up. |
| 22:47:30 | maxkelley | Rincewind: gimme a link when you're done. |
| 22:48:05 | eigma | Rincewind: same, please |
| 22:48:08 | scorche | Bagder: it is almost making me want to go and get another R to see if i can dual boot on that one... |
| 22:48:53 | maxkelley | scorche: make an image or something of your E200R, send it to someone else with one, see if it works. |
| 22:49:18 | scorche | maxkelley: i cant really, as part of the installation process involves an area i cant access |
| 22:50:09 | maxkelley | ? |
| 22:50:23 | scorche | well, i can still host my OF.mi4 and such and have them load it... |
| 22:50:42 | maxkelley | perhaps you have an e200 disguised as an R :p |
| 22:50:48 | scorche | i dont |
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| 22:51:24 | Bagder | that's quite a difference that is easy to see |
| 22:51:32 | maxkelley | I was joking :) |
| 22:51:40 | Bagder | they actually exist |
| 22:52:02 | scorche | yup, but mine isnt one of those |
| 22:52:06 | Bagder | or rather e200 models that have some signs of R on them |
| 22:52:14 | maxkelley | try giving your OF.mi4 to someone else. or your rockbox bootloader, or something. |
| 22:52:40 | Rincewind | http://programming.reddit.com/info/2nwbi/comments |
| 22:52:46 | maxkelley | yay |
| 22:52:57 | scorche | Bagder: would an improper OF.mi4 produce these results? |
| 22:53:14 | Bagder | hardly, then it wouldn't start at all |
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| 22:53:22 | preglow | Bagder: the top urls don't work in opera |
| 22:53:24 | preglow | fancy :> |
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| 22:53:53 | scorche | Bagder: i mean the results the users are experiencing |
| 22:53:54 | Bagder | what top urls? |
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| 22:54:08 | preglow | Bagder: prev/next article |
| 22:54:19 | Bagder | scorche: I meant that too. Their OF start as I've understood them, but then just doesn't work right |
| 22:54:24 | preglow | or whatever they are, they point to other posts, heh |
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| 22:54:34 | Bagder | I blame opera |
| 22:54:37 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:54:55 | scorche | Bagder: from what it sounds like, the rockbox bootloader executes them, but then the screen fades to white, then just fades more |
| 22:55:06 | preglow | Bagder: works in 9.5 |
| 22:55:36 | scorche | as a note, mine fades to white as well, but only for a second and then it goes to the OF |
| 22:55:40 | Bagder | scorche: you mean they never see any signs of the OF working? If so, it sounds like bad mi4s or similar |
| 22:56:04 | scorche | Bagder: that is what it sounds like |
| 22:56:13 | maxkelley | scorche: compare your sansa OF version with someone else who's experiencing the problem, and get them to try with your firmware version. |
| 22:56:14 | Bagder | maybe I should learn to read the small print... |
| 22:56:35 | scorche | maxkelley: that is what i am doing now (hosting my OF.mi4) |
| 22:56:38 | eigma | shoot, how do I change ticket properties (Category) after it's been created? |
| 22:56:51 | maxkelley | ah, ok. |
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| 23:03:17 | eigma | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7750 |
| 23:04:06 | petur | eigma: changed to patch, anything more? |
| 23:04:56 | | Part Domonoky |
| 23:04:58 | eigma | Category->Simulator |
| 23:05:35 | petur | done... maybe also commit? ;) |
| 23:05:40 | eigma | please? :) |
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| 23:10:34 | petur | eigma: your tracker name is your real name I assume? |
| 23:10:41 | eigma | yes |
| 23:10:54 | eigma | I think I should have made my nickname eigma and my realname what it is right now.. oh well |
| 23:11:13 | petur | can I ask where you are from? |
| 23:11:21 | eigma | originally, Romania |
| 23:11:34 | Dwyloc | What’s up with the new rockbox web site front page? It seems to have removed the lost useful information, the description of what’s changes committed to SVN do :( |
| 23:13:02 | Dwyloc | Plus I can no longer find a link to the full change log if I wish to search through last weeks changes. |
| 23:13:32 | scorche | they are still there...just not linked to |
| 23:13:52 | preglow | Dwyloc: click the "subversion" link |
| 23:14:04 | Dwyloc | This makes testing the couse of bug harder then reporting bugs. |
| 23:14:06 | preglow | there you see the commit messages |
| 23:15:03 | Dwyloc | preglow: I have tried that it only shows the days changes |
| 23:15:54 | preglow | yeah, the other urls aren't there anymore |
| 23:16:30 | preglow | i guess they should be |
| 23:16:58 | Dwyloc | Would it not be more usefull to show the description of the change and who made the change on the front page than which files have changed? |
| 23:17:47 | dionoea | I think that it would. |
| 23:18:00 | preglow | perhaps |
| 23:18:02 | Dwyloc | At lest from a users point of view, but I like the other info added to the front page. :) |
| 23:18:06 | dionoea | You could even leave the who part out (although that doesn't take a lot of space) |
| 23:18:55 | eigma | aww, how cute, I'm in CREDITS now |
| 23:18:56 | Dwyloc | I quite like seeing the people doing the work credited on the front page though. |
| 23:19:14 | dionoea | Agreed. |
| 23:20:34 | Dwyloc | Any way I just thought I would offer some feedback on the changes. |
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| 23:22:53 | eigma | n1s: can you please review http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7751 ? |
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| 23:29:56 | n1s | eigma: I'll take a look at it tomorrow if no one beats me to it, too late now :-) |
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| 23:30:16 | eigma | all right |
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| 23:32:37 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | anyone here use craigslist |
| 23:32:59 | eigma | in general? |
| 23:33:08 | * | Febs does, but can't imagine what this question has to do with Rockbox. |
| 23:33:21 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | well i want to see my ipod that i put rockbox on |
| 23:33:23 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | on craigslist |
| 23:33:27 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | to make money off a free project |
| 23:33:42 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | not |
| 23:33:51 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | no im trying to sell something but whenever i do a search it doesnt come up |
| 23:34:00 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | or if i go to sporting goods |
| 23:34:03 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | it isnt in the list either |
| 23:34:05 | scorche | this isnt #craigslist...this is #rockbox |
| 23:34:10 | scorche | we have gone through this before |
| 23:34:14 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | here we go again scorche |
| 23:34:15 | eigma | I don't even understand the question |
| 23:34:25 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | how do i add tags to a cl item |
| 23:34:34 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | do you not know what mirc is for scorche |
| 23:34:35 | scorche | [aB]DaRkNeSS: here we go again because you refuse to follow the guidelines |
| 23:34:38 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | its for talking |
| 23:34:51 | scorche | do you not know what guidelines are for? |
| 23:34:51 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | ffs so you cant talk about anything other than rockbox in here? |
| 23:34:58 | eigma | lol |
| 23:35:04 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | what a fucking joke. |
| 23:35:13 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | no wonder no one knows about rockbox |
| 23:35:13 | scorche | [aB]DaRkNeSS: there are tens of thousands of other channels |
| 23:35:18 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | the people who make it are cuntbags like you scorche |
| 23:35:20 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | you piece of shit |
| 23:35:23 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | fucking little nerd bastard |
| 23:35:24 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | fuck off |
| 23:35:31 | Febs | Do you feel better now? |
| 23:35:33 | n1s | * sigh |
| 23:35:33 | [aB]DaRkNeSS | GG dumb fuck. |
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| 23:35:46 | jbit | drama! |
| 23:36:01 | Mode | "#rockbox +b *!*@71-221-178-4.bois.qwest.net " by scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 23:36:09 | Mode | "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 23:36:09 | eigma | I wonder what "[aB]" stands for |
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| 23:37:49 | MBaller20 | any updates on the auto-installer |
| 23:38:03 | bluebrother | what auto-installer? |
| 23:38:23 | MBaller20 | sorry, for rockbox on e200r |
| 23:38:37 | bluebrother | there is Rockbox Utility but it requires you to do some steps |
| 23:38:48 | bluebrother | and that's a completely different thing |
| 23:38:52 | MBaller20 | do you need linux? |
| 23:39:01 | scorche | currently, yes |
| 23:39:26 | MBaller20 | I only i didn't have this very old computer |
| 23:39:36 | MBaller20 | *If |
| 23:39:39 | alienbiker99 | hm, im suprised how few wps's there are for the e200 compared to other targets |
| 23:40:14 | krazykit | if i can make icons that don't suck, i'd make a WPS |
| 23:40:17 | MBaller20 | i wish i knew about e200r and e200 before i bought the e 200r |
| 23:40:20 | webmind | hmm |
| 23:40:28 | n1s | alienbiker99: it has a different aspec ratio which makes adapting wps'es from other targets harder and require more re-design |
| 23:40:30 | krazykit | so far, i've only made an inverted iCatcher which i rather like |
| 23:40:37 | webmind | not sure this is part of rockbox, but on my ipod nano I get to see a battery icon only |
| 23:40:47 | n1s | also it's one of the newes targets to be supported |
| 23:40:47 | webmind | does this mean it's in charge only mode ? |
| 23:41:22 | alienbiker99 | yeah, later on if i have time i might try to port one from another target, i dont know how it will go though, but it will be a learning experience |
| 23:41:46 | krazykit | the other thing is, it'd be nice if people provided their source images (especially if they're svg) |
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| 23:42:09 | * | alienbiker99 is thinking about buying an 8gb sansa, switching the boards with my 2gb and returning it to the store =\ |
| 23:42:11 | n1s | I rather like the portrait aspect for a dap, much easier to have much info in the wps IMO |
| 23:42:40 | MBaller20 | i read someone's post that said he already had the installer but wasn't sure if it should be released yet |
| 23:42:40 | n1s | alienbiker99: that would be something like fraud, i'd guess :-/ |
| 23:43:01 | MBaller20 | must be one of the developers |
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| 23:45:48 | MBaller20 | I can't wait until this release :) |
| 23:46:34 | scorche | he wasnt a developer, and it isnt quite ready yet |
| 23:46:56 | MBaller20 | okay |
| 23:47:11 | scorche | the developer who is working on that is JdGordon |
| 23:47:40 | MBaller20 | the person i read it from was chrisjs169 or something like that |
| 23:48:00 | scorche | he was just testing something |
| 23:48:12 | MBaller20 | oh |
| 23:48:25 | scorche | that JdGordon made...but as i said, it isnt quite ready and still would require linux at this point |
| 23:48:37 | MBaller20 | thought so |
| 23:49:17 | n1s | eigma: is the increase of the size of the mem_conf[] array in system-pnx0101.c supposed to be included in the patch in FS #7751 ? |
| 23:49:47 | eigma | n1s: I guess not ^_^ |
| 23:50:07 | eigma | I was too lazy to create a new patch, tracker, description, etc, etc |
| 23:50:16 | n1s | eigma: ok, it looks good, I'll commit it tomorrow :-) |
| 23:50:23 | eigma | cool |
| 23:50:38 | eigma | it's tested on all ARM archs on build.rockbox.org |
| 23:50:44 | eigma | haven't tested the sims yet, working on that |
| 23:50:46 | MBaller20 | i guess it's almost impossible to get over this linux only option |
| 23:50:47 | n1s | eigma: you know you can post updated patches as attachments in comments to a task in the tracker, right? |
| 23:50:57 | eigma | n1s: yep |
| 23:51:15 | n1s | well, goddnight |
| 23:51:18 | eigma | seeya |
| 23:51:19 | | Part n1s |
| 23:51:24 | MBaller20 | goodnight? |
| 23:51:36 | MBaller20 | what time is it there |
| 23:51:38 | scorche | MBaller20: it isnt impossible, but it requires a bit of work to get it working with windows |
| 23:51:50 | MBaller20 | right |
| 23:51:54 | scorche | people from all around the world are in here |
| 23:52:19 | MBaller20 | it's 5:53PM in Albany, U.S. right now |
| 23:52:40 | MBaller20 | i just got back from football |
| 23:52:55 | scorche | try to keep the discussion on-topic please ;) |
| 23:53:03 | MBaller20 | haha, my bad |
| 23:54:12 | MBaller20 | now would i have to make the livecd or can i just run linux without it |
| 23:54:57 | krazykit | you have to actually burn the CD. make sure to burn from ISO / from disc image, rather than simply dragging the iso to a data project |
| 23:55:34 | MBaller20 | how would i do that |
| 23:55:57 | MBaller20 | i don;t see the differnce |
| 23:56:42 | * | ender` yawns |
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