| 00:00:26 | krazykit | MBaller20, depends on the program. there should be an option "burn from iso" or "burn from disc image" that would make you select the ISO itself |
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| 00:01:55 | MBaller20 | oh, i got it |
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| 00:03:05 | markun | any Australians looking for a cheap and new Gigabeats? |
| 00:04:16 | MBaller20 | i'm pretty sure that is off-topic |
| 00:05:29 | markun | MBaller20: I hope I can get away with it :) |
| 00:06:02 | scorche | MBaller20: developers are a bit immune to the guidelines..."one of the perks" |
| 00:06:36 | scorche | it is mainly because they know when to draw the line between disruptive and not though |
| 00:06:52 | markun | but mostly because we are jerks |
| 00:07:03 | petur | ... and love beer :) |
| 00:07:41 | MBaller20 | lol |
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| 00:24:59 | MBaller20 | hmmmm...... |
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| 00:28:20 | MBaller20 | " Whenever you cut your fingernails, you will find a need for them an hour later." Haha, that's good. Who wrote this? |
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| 00:29:52 | scorche | ...huh? |
| 00:31:00 | MBaller20 | sorry if that sounded stupid. I was wondering how you get the phrases at the end of the line when you log out. |
| 00:31:32 | krazykit | you /set them in your client... read their docs how to do that |
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| 00:32:48 | MBaller20 | okay |
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| 00:36:26 | chrisjs169 | MBaller20, yes, I was just a tester |
| 00:38:39 | MBaller20 | is the development progressing |
| 00:39:24 | chrisjs169 | it's changed from the copy I had (AFAIK) but JdGordon is the one you should ask about the development of it |
| 00:40:11 | markun | MBaller20: ender always has great messages when leaving |
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| 00:58:23 | wookey__ | in the files list I can;t see the directory 'music' on sansa280 unless I set 'show files' to all. Is that right? Seems to me that music is a supported type so it ought to be shown when this is set to 'supported'. |
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| 01:00:57 | petur | wookey__: maybe the directory is set to hidden? |
| 01:01:23 | wookey__ | is that a feature of fat or of rockbox? |
| 01:01:29 | petur | fat |
| 01:01:35 | wookey__ | it looked OK as a dir mounted under linux |
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| 01:01:54 | wookey__ | and it was created by the sansa formware |
| 01:01:58 | petur | although rockbox will also hide directories starting with . |
| 01:02:01 | wookey__ | I'll double-check |
| 01:02:25 | petur | linux doesn't honor the hidden attribute of fat |
| 01:02:41 | wookey__ | OK, so how do I check? |
| 01:02:58 | petur | on linux? no idea |
| 01:03:05 | wookey__ | I only have linux :-) |
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| 01:04:11 | wookey__ | I've thought of a couple of improvements already (stolen form the pure 'the bug' interface mostly) :-) |
| 01:04:42 | wookey__ | like accelerating fast-forward with more than one speed step |
| 01:04:59 | wookey__ | and playing a bit of audio whilst fast-forwarding (that ocuple be harder) |
| 01:06:19 | petur | fast forward already has acceleration |
| 01:06:45 | petur | playing audio while fast forwarding is irritating |
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| 01:09:55 | wookey__ | petur: it has acceleration, but it seems to top out quite quickly |
| 01:10:21 | wookey__ | for long tracks (radio programmes) it would be nice to go faster |
| 01:10:49 | wookey__ | equaly without some audio it is hard to tell when you are (e.g. past the news and into the programme) |
| 01:10:58 | petur | no, unless the file is several hours. I've used it without problems on tracks of up to 90 minutes |
| 01:11:37 | wookey__ | so when it says '2x, 3s' it keeps doubling in accel speed every 3 seconds how many times? |
| 01:12:03 | wookey__ | there is no top speed? |
| 01:12:11 | petur | err... where does it say that? |
| 01:13:08 | wookey__ | general settings, ff/rewind, ff/rw accel |
| 01:13:35 | petur | oh, scrollwheel stuff? I only have buttons here and those work fine ;) |
| 01:13:38 | wookey__ | or is there just one step to 'double speed'? |
| 01:13:47 | wookey__ | no this is buttons |
| 01:13:59 | wookey__ | the scrollwheel only seems to affect volume |
| 01:14:32 | wookey__ | (being able to use scrollwheel for FF/RW would be very nice but I'm not sure how one might do that - maybe it is a feature here somewhere) |
| 01:15:21 | wookey__ | I will use it some more, but I think the bug does it better, so there is room to improve |
| 01:15:59 | petur | oh I see, didn't even know we had a setting for ff/rew buttons... when I use it it keeps increasing step, at some point taking steps of several minutes *finds a big track and tries again* |
| 01:16:37 | wookey__ | OK, that sounds like what I was expacting to happen |
| 01:17:33 | wookey__ | right - yes, it does keep accelerating |
| 01:17:37 | wookey__ | my mistake |
| 01:17:43 | petur | I got it as far as having the minutes count very fast |
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| 01:31:45 | davidgwrawson | hey |
| 01:31:54 | davidgwrawson | hey |
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| 01:31:57 | davidgwrawson | hey |
| 01:32:03 | davidgwrawson | hey |
| 01:32:09 | davidgwrawson | guys |
| 01:32:14 | davidgwrawson | GUYS |
| 01:32:24 | davidgwrawson | What did I do? |
| 01:33:16 | tictoc | no idea |
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| 01:34:19 | webguest40 | jh |
| 01:34:22 | webguest40 | kjh' |
| 01:34:25 | webguest40 | YO |
| 01:34:27 | iamben | please gtfo |
| 01:34:30 | webguest40 | WHAZZUP? |
| 01:34:38 | iamben | i beg you |
| 01:34:39 | webguest40 | ok |
| 01:34:46 | webguest40 | what's wrong? |
| 01:35:02 | webguest40 | why do you want me gone? |
| 01:35:24 | iamben | do you need something? |
| 01:35:31 | webguest40 | help |
| 01:35:42 | webguest40 | this is rockbox, right |
| 01:35:47 | Chronon | Did you read the topic? |
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| 01:36:00 | webguest40 | im DavidGWRawson |
| 01:36:18 | webguest40 | Chronon, I stole your animated gif |
| 01:36:19 | scorche | please read the link in the topic...you are spamming |
| 01:36:27 | webguest40 | bye, then |
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| 02:11:44 | Ebert | what exactly does the tagnavi.config file do? |
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| 02:12:23 | webguest98 | download links in e200rinstallation instructions don't work |
| 02:12:43 | webguest98 | anybody know why |
| 02:12:59 | krazykit | yes they do |
| 02:13:12 | webguest98 | i clicked on them and nothing loaded |
| 02:13:43 | krazykit | i did too. they all download fine. maybe you have DNS issues? |
| 02:14:03 | tictoc | e200? me too! |
| 02:14:23 | Llorean | Ebert: It and the custom tagnavi define the menus you see in database mode |
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| 02:15:07 | krazykit | webguest98, can you resolve daniel.haxx.se? |
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| 02:15:29 | Ebert | so they don't define the database of songs itself |
| 02:15:55 | webguest98 | i clicked those links under e200rbootloader patching and nothing happened |
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| 02:17:21 | krazykit | webguest98, don't know what to tell you. the problem appears to be on your end |
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| 02:17:58 | webguest98 | the site works but the links that arn't working are http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom |
| 02:18:24 | webguest98 | aren't* |
| 02:18:26 | krazykit | downloads just fine for me. |
| 02:18:44 | webguest98 | is it because i'm using firefox? |
| 02:18:51 | krazykit | no |
| 02:19:16 | webguest98 | should i right click it and hit save as |
| 02:19:21 | krazykit | yes |
| 02:19:35 | webguest98 | oh |
| 02:19:41 | webguest98 | that was the problem |
| 02:20:21 | krazykit | that's why i like to use wget. |
| 02:21:58 | webguest98 | what should i put at the end of e200tool. .what? |
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| 02:22:18 | krazykit | nothing |
| 02:22:21 | webguest98 | it saves as htm |
| 02:22:29 | krazykit | it shouldn't. |
| 02:22:41 | webguest98 | what type of file should it be |
| 02:22:45 | krazykit | no type |
| 02:23:23 | krazykit | try opening an xterm and doing wget http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200tool/e200tool |
| 02:23:36 | webguest98 | what is that |
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| 02:24:01 | krazykit | wget is a tool to download stuff from the command line |
| 02:24:07 | webguest98 | oh |
| 02:24:10 | krazykit | it's actually right there in the instructions |
| 02:24:31 | webguest98 | i didn't even see it |
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| 02:28:56 | wookey__ | hmm, looks like sansa stock firmware makes 'music' dir hidden. |
| 02:29:14 | wookey__ | I just un-hid it but then ran stock firmware and it disappeared again |
| 02:29:31 | wookey__ | an option in the file menu to unhide a dir would be _really_ handy |
| 02:29:39 | wookey__ | file context menu |
| 02:30:45 | krazykit | wookey__, it'll do that every time you boot into the stock firmware. i'd just make a different directory. |
| 02:31:11 | wookey__ | 'Music' just seems a rather good name :-) |
| 02:31:25 | krazykit | i like musik |
| 02:31:42 | wookey__ | I am too old to enjoy that spelling :-) |
| 02:31:56 | krazykit | it's german >:( |
| 02:32:06 | wookey__ | fair enough |
| 02:32:39 | krazykit | i agree that it's annoying, though. when USB support is finished, it won't be a problem anymore |
| 02:32:43 | wookey__ | perhaps Audio/Music and Audio/Radio |
| 02:32:59 | wookey__ | indeed - with USB fixed no need to ever go back into stock |
| 02:33:44 | wookey__ | I'll try Songs and Radio |
| 02:34:08 | krazykit | i mean, you COULD always just use the database |
| 02:35:04 | wookey__ | yes, it just seemed a bit daft that no actual music appeared in the files list |
| 02:35:19 | wookey__ | as music is kind of the point of these gadgets |
| 02:35:47 | webguest98 | i downloaded wget and finished the setup so how do i get the link to work now |
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| 02:37:36 | alienbiker99 | i cant wait for the sansa to get a usb stack |
| 02:38:31 | krazykit | webguest98, "wget the_url_you_want_to_download" |
| 02:38:54 | webguest98 | how do i do that? |
| 02:39:08 | krazykit | type it in, obviously |
| 02:39:23 | webguest98 | .wget? |
| 02:39:41 | krazykit | no . |
| 02:40:09 | webguest98 | do i still have to right click and hit save link as |
| 02:40:12 | Chronon | krazykit, I'm guessing that webguest98 is not familiar with a command line. |
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| 02:40:25 | krazykit | apparently. |
| 02:40:27 | webguest98 | no, i'm not |
| 02:40:31 | krazykit | webguest98, wget is simply another way to download the file |
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| 02:41:12 | webguest98 | i'm just trying to figure out how to use this command line |
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| 02:41:28 | krazykit | what are you trying to do, precisely? |
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| 02:41:52 | webguest98 | download the files i need from the e200rbootloaderpatcher page |
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| 02:42:40 | krazykit | do you have everything but e200tool then? |
| 02:43:12 | webguest98 | i clicked save link as for the other two besides e200tool |
| 02:44:22 | krazykit | you can do that to e200tool as well, it turns out |
| 02:44:23 | webguest98 | those downloaded onto my desktop |
| 02:44:28 | krazykit | just delete .htm at the end |
| 02:44:39 | webguest98 | but it downloads as a htm file |
| 02:44:53 | krazykit | delete the file extension and it'll be fine |
| 02:45:09 | krazykit | you can then follow the instructions as written |
| 02:46:00 | webguest98 | i understand that but there is no extension at the end, it just say e200tool, and asks if i want to save it |
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| 02:50:23 | webguest98 | there is no option to delete the file extension because the file extension is not shown |
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| 02:53:04 | krazykit | ubuntu hides files extensions these days? |
| 02:53:35 | webguest98 | i have to download them while using ubuntu? |
| 02:53:45 | krazykit | oh, no |
| 02:53:49 | krazykit | i just assumed you were using it |
| 02:54:03 | webguest98 | no, i'm still using windows |
| 02:54:04 | krazykit | just enable file extensions in windows |
| 02:54:13 | webguest98 | how do i do that |
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| 02:54:41 | krazykit | i don't know. i haven't used windows in a few years :D |
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| 02:55:26 | webguest98 | you always use ubuntu? |
| 02:56:14 | krazykit | no, i much prefer debian, but that's offtopic. |
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| 02:56:58 | webguest98 | so maybe i should add something at the end of the save like .something |
| 02:57:20 | webguest98 | e200tool.? |
| 02:57:46 | Llorean | e200tool is not a windows binary... downloading it in windows isn't going to do you much good anyway |
| 02:58:11 | webguest98 | am i able to download it while using ubuntu |
| 02:58:24 | webguest98 | i just finished making the livecd |
| 02:58:43 | krazykit | webguest98, as long as you can connect to the internet in ubuntu. |
| 02:59:01 | webguest98 | okay, i'll try |
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| 03:00:24 | DavidGWRawson | can I use this chatroom for help? |
| 03:00:47 | Llorean | Help with Rockbox, yes, as long as you've checked the manual and wiki first |
| 03:01:03 | DavidGWRawson | better do that first... |
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| 03:01:42 | Cannoli | hey |
| 03:02:06 | Cannoli | to install rockbox on a 5.5g do i have to be in linux like i had to be for ipodlinux installation? |
| 03:02:27 | krazykit | no, you can install through windows |
| 03:02:31 | Llorean | Cannoli: Try reading the manual... |
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| 03:03:06 | DavidGWRawson | I read everything. |
| 03:03:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Ahh, evening, everyone! |
| 03:03:32 | webguest98 | i popped in the livecd and then the ubuntu window came up saying "starting browser or something". nothing happened after that |
| 03:03:47 | Cannoli | the video ipod one is the same for the 5.,5g? |
| 03:03:49 | DavidGWRawson | Ok, I hope you have a little information on the dualbooting problem on the Sansa e200r. |
| 03:03:54 | Llorean | Cannoli: Yes. |
| 03:03:56 | krazykit | webguest98, you have to boot from the CD |
| 03:03:58 | Cannoli | kk ty |
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| 03:04:20 | webguest98 | okay |
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| 03:04:29 | Llorean | DavidGWRawson: You never went through on the forums and said exactly what you did. Dual boot works fine for all of the developers who've tested it, so we can't give any more information: People with the problem have to figure it out. |
| 03:04:37 | webguest98 | will i still be able to use windows while running this |
| 03:04:52 | Llorean | webguest98: You'll be able to come back to windows once you're done. |
| 03:04:57 | Cannoli | oh wait, see im on linux right now and i have my ipod mounted at /dev/sdd and /dev/sdd2 cause i also have ipodlinux on it |
| 03:05:04 | Cannoli | which one is the "root" for my ipod? |
| 03:05:09 | Cannoli | which partition? |
| 03:05:16 | Llorean | Cannoli: The fat32 one |
| 03:05:24 | Cannoli | the one with the itunes files? |
| 03:05:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cannoli: Yes. |
| 03:05:34 | Llorean | Yes, assuming it's not a mac-formatted iPod |
| 03:05:49 | Cannoli | nope windows |
| 03:05:58 | Cannoli | and this shouldnt erase my files right? |
| 03:06:16 | DavidGWRawson | Am I allowed to put links on here? |
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| 03:06:43 | fergofrog | Does anyone know anything about theming? |
| 03:07:12 | Llorean | Cannoli: It shouldn't erase anything as long as you don't click the "Install" icon once you're in Ubuntu |
| 03:07:44 | Llorean | DavidGWRawson: Only if they're relevant. There are posted guidelines you know... you could just read them. |
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| 03:08:14 | Cannoli | god those themes look soo hawt |
| 03:08:22 | Cannoli | cant wait to have my ipod look like that :D |
| 03:08:40 | DavidGWRawson | Did YOU read the rules?^^ |
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| 03:08:49 | maxkelley | is FM radio default enabled for c200? |
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| 03:09:32 | Llorean | DavidGWRawson: Is there some reason you asked me that? |
| 03:09:49 | webguest98 | nothing loaded yet |
| 03:10:15 | Llorean | maxkelley: The c200 port is in an early state, I wouldn't be surprised if it's not functioning yet, but I doubt many of the developers here have even looked at the c200 port. |
| 03:10:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest98: Wait for it. |
| 03:10:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Live CDs take time to boot. |
| 03:10:42 | maxkelley | I felt that, was just wondering if anyone knew if it was working or not. |
| 03:10:54 | webguest98 | a k-meleon window came up so i guess it's working |
| 03:11:08 | DavidGWRawson | Ok, I'm currently uploading a very detailed video on the problem I'm having. |
| 03:11:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest98: A K-Meleon window? |
| 03:11:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Are you still in Windows? |
| 03:11:29 | krazykit | webguest98, er, did you *reboot* your computer and boot from the cd? |
| 03:11:37 | webguest98 | no |
| 03:11:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest98: Shut down, leave the CD in the drive, and REBOOT. |
| 03:12:00 | Llorean | DavidGWRawson: You've been asked repeatedly to document the exact process you went through to install. Did you do this? |
| 03:12:03 | DavidGWRawson | Hold C too! |
| 03:12:11 | webguest98 | okay thanks |
| 03:12:11 | DavidGWRawson | Yes |
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| 03:12:34 | webguest98 | hold c? |
| 03:12:37 | DavidGWRawson | Through the entire bootloader patching to the end of the problem! |
| 03:12:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest98: The key you have to hold depends on the PC you're using. |
| 03:12:59 | krazykit | webguest98, ignore him, he doesn't know what he's talking about. you have to hit the key for the boot menu that your computer tells you at the beginning. |
| 03:13:19 | DavidGWRawson | F12? |
| 03:13:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | webguest98: Say for example, on a Dell, it would be F12. |
| 03:13:20 | webguest98 | okay i'm doing it now, cya in a bit |
| 03:13:35 | DavidGWRawson | Same on a Toshiba |
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| 03:14:18 | LambdaCalculus37 | Well, I found out some more about the innards of the Dell DJ. |
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| 03:14:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Wiki page is looking a lot fuller: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DellDJPort |
| 03:15:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | I've got it down to the PCB, hooked up to my laptop. |
| 03:15:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Removing the hard drive put me in some kind of Rescue Mode. |
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| 03:19:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hard to navigate the menus without the scroll barrel or buttons. |
| 03:22:06 | DavidRawson | Would it become a legal issue if I modified the rockbox source code and used it on my player? |
| 03:22:38 | Llorean | DavidRawson: Read the license terms, the intent of the GPL is to allow people to modify it. |
| 03:22:49 | eigma | I think the GPL mainly restricts distribution |
| 03:22:58 | Llorean | The GPL doesn't restrict distribution. |
| 03:23:07 | Llorean | The GPL mandates distribution of everything if you distribute part. |
| 03:23:12 | eigma | s/restricts/regulates/ |
| 03:23:25 | Llorean | Everything being "The source" and part being "The binary" |
| 03:24:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Maybe you should do some reading up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GPL |
| 03:24:11 | eigma | I just mean that if you keep your mods to yourself, you are not in infringement of the license |
| 03:24:15 | DavidRawson | It is fascinating how the device's companies give you the templates to help make rockbox work... |
| 03:24:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | DavidRawson: What templates? Most of the work was done by reverse engineering. |
| 03:24:46 | Llorean | eigma: If you keep them, or if you share them as long as you share everything rather than just the compiled version, you're fine too. |
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| 03:25:32 | DavidRawson | Reverse engineering? How is that possible? That would be alot of work to figure that out! |
| 03:25:33 | DavidRawson | Or is it from scratch? |
| 03:25:42 | eigma | ah hell, I'm a developer, I know nothing about licenses |
| 03:25:58 | DavidRawson | ^Bad word! |
| 03:26:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | DavidRawson: NOW you're getting the idea! |
| 03:26:31 | Llorean | DavidRawson: An awful lot of hard work goes into it, which is why very new ports can take years to get from "Idea" to "working" |
| 03:26:48 | Llorean | And why it requires a very dedicated group of people who already own the player to make it happen. |
| 03:27:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or one crazy hacker with plenty of free time. :) |
| 03:27:13 | eigma | or one developer with no day job ;) |
| 03:27:15 | eigma | hehe |
| 03:27:41 | Llorean | Still takes that one crazy hacker a good amount of time |
| 03:27:53 | Llorean | Most of our recent ports have been "quick" because we knew something about the hardware already |
| 03:28:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | And this Dell DJ may be on the opposite end of the spectrum. |
| 03:28:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | Although I've found a decent amount of info so far. |
| 03:28:37 | Llorean | And quick still means "many months" |
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| 03:29:03 | Llorean | Datasheets are rarely 100% reliable, and there's always strange quirks, or one undocumented chip sitting between two documented parts, or whatever else. |
| 03:29:08 | BiptoN | t mean to interrupt but is it possible for the H3XX to record at higher sample rates like 48khz or with 24bit instead of 16? |
| 03:29:12 | DavidRawson | Well, I'm only 16 so I don't know that much on how to code. I know that it is complex to figure out how devices work. |
| 03:29:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | DavidRawson: Maybe you should try to get your hands dirty with a simpler language first? |
| 03:30:08 | Llorean | BiptoN: I'm pretty sure the maximum for it is 48/20, but it would require significant changes to how it's coded. And it might be 44/20 or 48/16. I'm not sure. |
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| 03:33:51 | asd | where should i extract the fonts pack? |
| 03:34:03 | RudMan | in the root dir of the player |
| 03:34:15 | asd | kk |
| 03:34:29 | BiptoN | i see |
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| 03:34:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | The wheel on this thing's filthy! |
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| 03:35:01 | asd | no folder was created |
| 03:35:05 | asd | after the extraction |
| 03:35:11 | asd | is it hidden? |
| 03:35:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | I have to clean the scroll barrel on the DJ for a minute. |
| 03:35:12 | RudMan | there shouldn't be one created |
| 03:35:21 | RudMan | there should be a fonts dir already |
| 03:36:00 | asd | yes but its inside the ./rockbox folder |
| 03:36:02 | asd | is that ok? |
| 03:36:10 | RudMan | yes |
| 03:36:12 | asd | kk |
| 03:36:27 | DavidRawsonADHD | is it normal if my rockbox directory is .rockbox? |
| 03:36:37 | RudMan | look inside the ./rockbox/fonts and you will see all the new fonts |
| 03:36:50 | DavidRawsonADHD | why does it have to have the dot at the front? |
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| 03:37:27 | RudMan | or rather the /.rockbox/fonts dir |
| 03:37:48 | krazykit | DavidRawsonADHD, it's supposed to be .rockbox |
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| 03:40:26 | DavidRawsonADHD | Why doesn't the midi plugin work? Do I need something? |
| 03:40:41 | krazykit | you need to read the wiki page about midi |
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| 03:41:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | Mother of Eris... the stupid battery in the Dell DJ just went south on me. |
| 03:42:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | One of the wires snapped out. |
| 03:42:10 | asd | ok so the bootloader directly loaded rockbox |
| 03:42:20 | asd | how cna i change it so that it gives me options on what to load? |
| 03:42:28 | asd | like ipl or apple? |
| 03:43:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | asd: You have to change the source and recompile. |
| 03:44:52 | asd | how would i do that in linux? |
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| 03:45:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | asd: Do you have a text editor? |
| 03:46:13 | Cannoli | yep |
| 03:46:19 | Cannoli | kwrite, kate, etc |
| 03:46:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Actually, use Kate, since it features syntax highlighting and will suffice for this. |
| 03:47:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Now, we want to change the bootloader for an iPod, right? |
| 03:48:03 | krazykit | i thought ROLO could already do these things |
| 03:48:14 | DavidRawsonADHD | Not trying to be mean, but why don't you include everything that goes to the apps, such as the instruments for the midi plugin? |
| 03:48:37 | krazykit | DavidRawsonADHD, not everything is legally redistributable |
| 03:48:43 | DavidRawsonADHD | Nevermind, I see. |
| 03:48:53 | krazykit | in fact, i don't think we know the liscense on the instruments compilation that's linked |
| 03:49:09 | DavidRawsonADHD | I see now... |
| 03:50:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | DavidRawsonADHD: You've got a LOT to learn about how Free Software works in general. |
| 03:50:14 | Llorean | Not to mention the MIDI plugin is also simply considered "incomplete" |
| 03:50:16 | DavidRawsonADHD | Just...sneak it in there.... |
| 03:50:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | DavidRawsonADHD: NO. |
| 03:50:29 | Llorean | DavidRawsonADHD: Never, EVER suggest infringing copyright in this channel again. |
| 03:50:39 | DavidRawsonADHD | Sorry. |
| 03:50:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | The GPL is a very strict line that we DO NOT cross here, on the forums, or ANYWHERE Rockbox-related. |
| 03:51:02 | Llorean | But it'd also be pointless to make the download several times what it is now for a plugin that doesnt' work properly yet. |
| 03:51:14 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: It's not a GPL issue. |
| 03:51:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Gotcha. |
| 03:51:32 | Llorean | As they're not compiled in, much like themes and fonts, they don't need to be GPL licensed. |
| 03:51:40 | Llorean | They just need to be under some license that lets us include them |
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| 03:51:52 | Llorean | But even then, they'd need to go on the "Extras" page, they're far too large to include with every download |
| 03:51:58 | Llorean | Especially since you only need to download them once. |
| 03:52:03 | RudMan | david: next time you're in a food store, just sneak a 6 pack of beer out of the store.... |
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| 03:52:50 | DavidRawsonADHD | So I would just be better off cancelling the 20MB instrument patchset, right? |
| 03:53:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | DavidRawsonADHD: You can download them. We didn't say not to. |
| 03:53:31 | krazykit | just don't be suprised if midi playback is poor |
| 03:53:57 | eigma | why not just transcode into an mp3 on a pc and upload the output? |
| 03:54:10 | eigma | it's not that big a deal, and there's not that many midis floating around |
| 03:54:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | MIDI playback may exhibit some behavior like playing at nearly triple speed, the dreaded "Buffer Miss!" error, or very off-sounding instruments. |
| 03:54:31 | Llorean | eigma: Well for one thing, midis are very much smaller than MP3s |
| 03:54:51 | DavidRawsonADHD | Ok, then why is there even a midi player on there if it doesn't work? |
| 03:55:04 | Llorean | DavidRawsonADHD: Because someone can finish it. |
| 03:55:10 | eigma | Llorean: I can understand that argument for flash players, but even there there's at least a few hours' worth of MP3s |
| 03:55:33 | DavidRawsonADHD | What about swf players? |
| 03:55:35 | Llorean | eigma: Yes but some people don't like having to hook their player up to their computer frequently to change around the music on it. |
| 03:55:43 | Llorean | DavidRawsonADHD: Not swf, "flash" as in "flash memory" |
| 03:56:07 | Llorean | eigma: By your argument, there's no reason to support anything but WAV on 80gb players. |
| 03:56:07 | DavidRawsonADHD | No, I meant will SWF work on rockbox? |
| 03:56:09 | eigma | Llorean: all right, sure |
| 03:56:19 | Llorean | DavidRawsonADHD: No. |
| 03:56:26 | DavidRawsonADHD | Ok. |
| 03:56:52 | DavidRawsonADHD | It would probably be almost impossible to make swf work, since it's all vector. |
| 03:57:03 | DavidRawsonADHD | And interaction would be hard. |
| 03:57:08 | eigma | how does SWF on a monochrome 96x48 screen even make sense? |
| 03:57:21 | DavidRawsonADHD | Color screen. |
| 03:57:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Like this: It's doesn't. |
| 03:57:32 | eigma | LambdaCalculus37: ahhhh, right |
| 03:57:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | DavidRawsonADHD: There are greyscale targets, you know. |
| 03:58:01 | DavidRawsonADHD | What's greyscale? |
| 03:58:06 | DavidRawsonADHD | Black and white? |
| 03:58:13 | iamben | why would vector graphics be a problem? |
| 03:58:16 | krazykit | shades of grey... |
| 03:58:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | DavidRawsonADHD: Black and white is monochrome. |
| 03:58:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | The Archos players can be called "black and white" if it weren't for those green backlights they feature. |
| 03:58:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | :) |
| 03:58:40 | DavidRawsonADHD | iamben, it would have to draw the graphics |
| 03:58:50 | Llorean | eigma: Do we have a 96x48 monochrome screen? Is there a new target I'm not aware of? |
| 03:58:53 | iamben | DavidRawsonADHD: yeah, so what? |
| 03:59:00 | eigma | Llorean: I was exaggerating |
| 03:59:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | iamben: Vector graphics take much more CPU power to render. |
| 03:59:13 | eigma | I think my point stands, though |
| 03:59:15 | Llorean | eigma: As it is, we don't have any screens restricted to monochrome |
| 03:59:31 | Llorean | eigma: Even our one-bit displays can be finagled into giving I believe 33 shades of gray |
| 03:59:46 | iamben | LambdaCalculus37: tell that to the vectrex from 1980-something |
| 03:59:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Yes, I do believe that's true. |
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| 04:00:02 | eigma | PWM on an LCD? impressive |
| 04:00:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | iamben: Different type of vector graphics. |
| 04:00:18 | DavidRawsonADHD | What is the simplest device rockbox has ever been ported to? |
| 04:00:28 | eigma | your face (oh burn) |
| 04:00:36 | DavidRawsonADHD | really |
| 04:00:43 | DavidRawsonADHD | that's pretty simple |
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| 04:00:43 | * | Llorean sighs |
| 04:00:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | iamben: Read all about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_graphics |
| 04:01:05 | DavidRawsonADHD | how do I install it to my face> |
| 04:01:15 | Llorean | Look, this is an on-topic channel |
| 04:01:18 | iamben | read? boooooo |
| 04:01:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | iamben: How do you expect to learn without reading? |
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| 04:01:50 | iamben | tv =) |
| 04:01:56 | * | LambdaCalculus37 sighs |
| 04:01:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Kids... |
| 04:02:04 | maxkelley | these days. |
| 04:02:16 | DavidRawsonADHD | I isn't a kid! |
| 04:02:25 | maxkelley | well.. what about mythbusters.. and the discovery channel... and the history channel. |
| 04:02:40 | maxkelley | I learnded plenty of things from their! |
| 04:02:42 | webguest96 | i booted ubuntu and chose start or intall ubuntu and then a baje screen came up and stayed like that. anyone know what im doing wrong |
| 04:02:45 | LambdaCalculus37 | maxkelley: Oi. Topic. *snap snap* |
| 04:03:00 | webguest96 | i used the livecd |
| 04:03:04 | maxkelley | Right. Topic. Who wants to commit my port-critical patches? |
| 04:03:12 | DavidRawsonADHD | Rockbox for TI calcualtors? |
| 04:03:14 | maxkelley | webguest96: what color is baje? |
| 04:03:27 | krazykit | webguest96, ask #ubuntu. once you get that working, come back |
| 04:03:29 | maxkelley | DavidRawsonADHD: no, but a screen even smaller. c200. |
| 04:03:33 | Llorean | DavidRawsonADHD: Rockbox is an MP3 player firmware. |
| 04:03:46 | maxkelley | ti calcs can play mp3's.. by a stretch. |
| 04:03:57 | Llorean | maxkelley: The smallest screen is the Jukebox Player, two rows of characters, no bitmap. |
| 04:04:02 | maxkelley | wow. |
| 04:04:07 | Llorean | maxkelley: Yeah, but they aren't MP3 players by design |
| 04:04:12 | Llorean | maxkelley: Yep, and we've got Tetris on it. ;) |
| 04:04:16 | maxkelley | hehehehe. |
| 04:04:17 | Llorean | And a rotating 3D cube. |
| 04:04:20 | maxkelley | that's fun. |
| 04:04:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | maxkelley: And Snake. |
| 04:04:40 | Llorean | It has a bank of a small number of custom characters, and they've been put to very good use |
| 04:04:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean |
| 04:04:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | Oops |
| 04:04:51 | maxkelley | Llorean: next up, try mario :) |
| 04:04:59 | DavidRawsonADHD | MARIO! |
| 04:05:05 | Llorean | But I think the smallest bitmap display is 112x64 |
| 04:05:23 | maxkelley | c200 isn't much farther away... 132x80 |
| 04:05:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: The Archos Recorder, FM Recorder/V2, and Ondio, right? |
| 04:05:44 | maxkelley | are those in production anymore? |
| 04:05:48 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: iPod Mini, I believe, too. |
| 04:05:52 | DavidRawsonADHD | DVD players play MP3s, and have updatable firmware. |
| 04:06:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: iPod mini uses 138x110. |
| 04:06:05 | Llorean | Ah, right. |
| 04:06:10 | Llorean | So just the Archoses. |
| 04:06:24 | Llorean | DavidRawsonADHD: Rockbox is designed for things that are designed to be MP3 players. |
| 04:06:26 | DavidRawsonADHD | I like rusty spoons. I like to touch them. |
| 04:06:26 | krazykit | DavidRawsonADHD, rockbox is a replacement firmware for portable music players. not for dvd players, not for calculators, not for toasters. portable mp3 players. |
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| 04:06:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | I suppose someone's going to ask for a nuclear missile that runs Rockbox. |
| 04:06:58 | DavidRawsonADHD | Funny |
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| 04:07:00 | DavidRawsonADHD | Toasters. Funny :) |
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| 04:07:28 | DavidRawsonADHD | How about jets that run rockbox. |
| 04:07:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | *FACEPALM* |
| 04:07:38 | maxkelley | hehe... "Nuclear warfare.. cool plugin.. " "NO, THAT'S NOT A PLUG... BOOM! |
| 04:07:46 | DavidRawsonADHD | Go carts. |
| 04:07:51 | DavidRawsonADHD | Dild... |
| 04:07:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Enough already! |
| 04:08:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bloody hell! |
| 04:08:04 | chrisjs169 | how is this on topic? |
| 04:08:10 | krazykit | it isn't remotely on topic. |
| 04:08:13 | Llorean | Alright, let's put this simply. Is anyone confused by the term "on-topic" or what it means? |
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| 04:08:47 | webguest96 | where is the #ubuntu |
| 04:08:48 | maxkelley | On-topic = committing my rockbox patches. Channel name = #rockbox, patch target = rockbox. |
| 04:08:52 | DavidRawsonADHD | Bush wants rockbox on his missles. |
| 04:08:56 | maxkelley | webguest96: in #ubuntu, perhaps? |
| 04:09:01 | eigma | LMAO |
| 04:09:01 | DavidRawsonADHD | Ok on topic now. |
| 04:09:01 | chrisjs169 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On-topic |
| 04:09:25 | DavidRawsonADHD | Theres a few bugs on missle rockbox though, said bush. |
| 04:09:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | DavidRawsonADHD: No more ludicrous port ideas. |
| 04:09:51 | webguest96 | where is that, is there a link |
| 04:09:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | Now either get back on track or take off. |
| 04:10:15 | * | Llorean needs to find out if the c200's keymap is based on the e200s or the more generic Rockbox layout |
| 04:10:24 | DavidRawsonADHD | it is |
| 04:10:26 | maxkelley | like how? |
| 04:10:34 | maxkelley | it is based on the e200. |
| 04:10:39 | Llorean | The key map? |
| 04:10:44 | Llorean | Not the physical buttons |
| 04:10:44 | maxkelley | I believe that's how lowlight programmed it, yes. |
| 04:10:47 | Llorean | But what each button does. |
| 04:10:51 | * | Llorean sighs. |
| 04:11:02 | maxkelley | yes, the plugin keymap (which I made) is based on the e200. |
| 04:11:13 | Llorean | Not the plugin keymap, the Rockbox keymap. |
| 04:11:17 | Llorean | For normal stuff, music playback |
| 04:11:28 | Llorean | For example, does holding the "Select" button bring up the context menu, or does that have its own button? |
| 04:11:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: I could go look at it for a minute, if you'd like. |
| 04:11:36 | maxkelley | yes. |
| 04:11:43 | maxkelley | it brings up the context menu. |
| 04:11:50 | Llorean | Select does? |
| 04:11:58 | DavidRawsonADHD | I think your called Milford Cubicle |
| 04:12:01 | maxkelley | yes. |
| 04:12:04 | Llorean | And the button that opens the main menu, if you hold it, does it open a quick-menu? |
| 04:12:10 | maxkelley | yes. |
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| 04:12:22 | maxkelley | well, wait, what do you mean quick menu? |
| 04:12:23 | Llorean | Alright, to "Stop", do you hold down "Play/Pause" or is there as separate button that you tap for it? |
| 04:12:31 | maxkelley | hold down play/pause |
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| 04:12:34 | Llorean | maxkelley: Quick menu is the "Shuffle" "Random" "File view" menu |
| 04:12:48 | Llorean | Quick 'screen' I guess I should say |
| 04:13:15 | DavidRawsonADHD | HOLY CRAP! THAT MIDI PLUGIN'S GOING CRAZY!!! |
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| 04:13:17 | Llorean | Sounds like they're mostly the standard abstract Rockbox keymap. |
| 04:13:19 | maxkelley | that's press+hold down.. like when you're playing a song, you mean? |
| 04:13:43 | Llorean | maxkelley: Should work in the filetree too. |
| 04:14:06 | maxkelley | mmm. |
| 04:14:09 | * | Llorean may have to look at the c200 keymap before too many people get used to it. |
| 04:14:15 | DavidRawsonADHD | dont use the midi plugin!!!!!!! |
| 04:14:21 | * | Llorean needs to get ahold of a c200 |
| 04:14:21 | DavidRawsonADHD | ITS GOING OUT OF CONTROL! |
| 04:14:26 | Llorean | DavidRawsonADHD: Shut up, please. |
| 04:14:29 | krazykit | DavidRawsonADHD, yes, that's what we said. please stop being disruptive |
| 04:14:30 | maxkelley | what is the point of pluginlib_actions.c |
| 04:14:41 | DavidRawsonADHD | it's a source file |
| 04:14:47 | maxkelley | it was barely implemented in most plugins. |
| 04:14:57 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: I have access to a c240 through my brother. |
| 04:15:04 | maxkelley | each plugin had its own keymap for each player, which I had to add to each for the c200. |
| 04:15:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | I could ask him to bring it over to me. |
| 04:15:06 | chrisjs169 | DavidRawsonADHD, I think he means "why is that file needed?" |
| 04:15:19 | maxkelley | as in, it's not implemented in any plugins |
| 04:15:31 | Llorean | maxkelley: The idea was to use the actions, where possible, but it was added later and a lot of plugins haven't been converted to it. |
| 04:15:36 | DavidRawsonADHD | im just going to leave.... i have no use here.....nobody wants me :( |
| 04:15:40 | maxkelley | someone should go through and implement it to all. |
| 04:15:47 | maxkelley | I might be able to with some spare time. |
| 04:15:53 | Llorean | "someone should..." doesn't make a volunteer appear. :) |
| 04:16:01 | maxkelley | I'll do it.. probably this weekend. |
| 04:16:05 | Llorean | If you get the chance, I imagine it'd be welcome though |
| 04:16:14 | maxkelley | alrighty.. good night, though. |
| 04:16:18 | Llorean | LambdaCalculus37: I'd rather sit down with one myself. |
| 04:16:32 | Llorean | I have a goal to try to reach a balance point between consistency with keymappings, and usability |
| 04:16:34 | DavidRawsonADHD | Nobody here loves me....goodbye (gonna hang myself) |
| 04:16:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: No problem. |
| 04:16:38 | Llorean | That recent Gigabeat change was part of it. |
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| 04:16:58 | chrisjs169 | DavidRawsonADHD - you're still off topic |
| 04:17:03 | Llorean | I have an outstanding patch for the e200 that I want to get someone to commit. |
| 04:17:14 | krazykit | i like that patch quite a lot |
| 04:17:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | chrisjs169: At least he's out of our hair, so now we can concentrate again. |
| 04:17:40 | Llorean | I could commit it myself, but I don't want to commit a keymap change, saying "Mine is better than yours" and would rather someone else arbitrate. |
| 04:17:50 | Cannoli | srry abt tht |
| 04:17:53 | Cannoli | mom called me away |
| 04:18:11 | Cannoli | so yea how can i make my bootloader so that i can choose which firmware to load up? |
| 04:18:20 | chrisjs169 | LambdaCalculus37, agreed |
| 04:18:33 | Llorean | Cannoli: The Rockbox bootloader already lets you choose by holding down a certain button. |
| 04:19:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | maxkelley: Just to make sure, the c200 port doesn't have any plugins included yet, am I correct? |
| 04:19:09 | Cannoli | wht button is that? |
| 04:19:52 | LambdaCalculus37 | Crap... segfault on the c200 sim. |
| 04:20:04 | Llorean | Cannoli: I'd suggest reading the manual. |
| 04:20:19 | LambdaCalculus37 | Entering System > Rockbox Info causes the sim to abort with segfault and a core dump. |
| 04:20:52 | Mode | "#rockbox +o Febs " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 04:21:01 | Mode | "#rockbox -o Febs " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 04:21:27 | Cannoli | kk |
| 04:24:25 | Cannoli | Llorean: ok so i read it but i know there is a way to make it so that a blue screen comes up when u tun on ur ipod and u can choose whether to load ipl, iboy, rockbox, etc |
| 04:24:30 | Cannoli | how can i get that to come up? |
| 04:25:12 | Llorean | The Rockbox bootloader doesn't support any such menu |
| 04:25:44 | Cannoli | is there a boot loader that does? |
| 04:25:54 | Llorean | Loader2.5 from iPod Linux |
| 04:26:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cannoli: You have to speak to the iPodLinux guys about Loader2.5 |
| 04:26:39 | Cannoli | ok |
| 04:26:40 | Cannoli | ty |
| 04:26:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cannoli: Full words, please! |
| 04:27:43 | Cannoli | sorry |
| 04:27:45 | Cannoli | :) |
| 04:28:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cannoli; We do have a good amount of users who are either visually impaired or don't speak English, and may rely on screen reader software to get by. |
| 04:28:35 | LambdaCalculus37 | Hearing something like "ty" will throw them off. |
| 04:28:38 | eigma | LambdaCalculus37: apps/menus/main_menu.c:169 doesn't have IF_MV2 like all other fat_size() calls |
| 04:28:48 | Cannoli | ah i see, never thought of it that way |
| 04:29:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Let me see. |
| 04:30:43 | chrisjs169 | anyone have an Sansa handy? |
| 04:30:57 | eigma | LambdaCalculus37: no; something fishy is going on; if HAVE_MULTIVOLUME is defined, that line would be the same with or without IF_MV2 |
| 04:30:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | chrisjs169: What model? e200, or c200? |
| 04:31:18 | chrisjs169 | LambdaCalculus37, e200 |
| 04:31:24 | * | chrisjs169 forgot about the c200 |
| 04:31:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | chrisjs169: Not until Xmas, but as for a c240... then yes. My brother's borrowing one to test Rockbox on it. |
| 04:33:02 | chrisjs169 | LambdaCalculus37, ok |
| 04:33:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | chrisjs169: Maybe I should get him to join up on IRC and the forums. Then he can report his findings to us! |
| 04:33:58 | chrisjs169 | yeah |
| 04:34:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: if (fat_isomounted(1)) |
| 04:34:37 | LambdaCalculus37 | Is that where you're looking at? |
| 04:34:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | fat_size( 1, &size2, &free2 ); |
| 04:34:58 | krazykit | chrisjs169, i've got an e200 handy |
| 04:35:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | I have to step away for a moment. |
| 04:35:41 | chrisjs169 | krazykit, can you test FS #7744 and FS #7743? |
| 04:35:48 | krazykit | sure |
| 04:36:03 | chrisjs169 | I accidentally messed up the rockbox.mi4 file, so now Rockbox isn't booting, and the OF is freezing |
| 04:37:05 | chrisjs169 | any way to disable the database refresh from recovery mode? |
| 04:37:07 | eigma | LambdaCalculus37: yeah, gdb says that the "1" is being passed as a "char *size" argument; it looks like the definition of fat_size was done with HAVE_MULTIVOLUME UNdefined, but main_menu.c is being compiled with HAVE_MV defined |
| 04:37:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Just curious. What's your text editor of choice? |
| 04:38:12 | Cannoli | whats a good wad game tahts fun to play? |
| 04:39:14 | krazykit | chrisjs169, can't reproduce 7744, trying the other now |
| 04:40:15 | krazykit | chrisjs169, 7743 does give me the panic, though |
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| 04:40:40 | chrisjs169 | krazykit, ok, maybe 7744 is just soemthing with my sansa |
| 04:40:49 | eigma | LambdaCalculus37: ummm.. Notepad2? |
| 04:40:56 | chrisjs169 | ZOMG - the database refresh hasn't frozen! |
| 04:41:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: XEmacs here. |
| 04:41:18 | eigma | LambdaCalculus37: I don't get it. |
| 04:41:23 | LambdaCalculus37 | Used the gdb on it... I see what you're talking about. |
| 04:42:33 | krazykit | oh boy, that made my gigabeat freeze, too |
| 04:44:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Windows? I'm only asking because I just want to know what kind of dev environment you have set up. |
| 04:44:32 | Cannoli | the .wad files for ipodlinux, would they work on rockbox too? |
| 04:44:40 | eigma | LambdaCalculus37: yeah, I'm still a sucker for Windows GUIs.. I have my source tree shared over Samba from a Linux box sitting right next to my leg |
| 04:44:56 | eigma | LambdaCalculus37: I do builds, etc, on the box |
| 04:45:12 | eigma | LambdaCalculus37: I also use "grep -r" in Putty a lot.. but all editing is still in Notepad |
| 04:45:27 | eigma | shit, off-topic |
| 04:45:39 | eigma | LambdaCalculus37: #rockbox-community? |
| 04:45:46 | eigma | *shoot |
| 04:45:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Not really. It's to ask about your development box. |
| 04:48:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: I have XEmacs now displaying line numbers properly, so let's continue. |
| 04:49:07 | eigma | ok |
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| 04:51:53 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: If you look above to line 166... does that look correct to you? |
| 04:52:19 | eigma | LC: yeah, I think so; uisimulator/common/io.c:562 looks wrong, though |
| 04:52:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Opening file... stand by. |
| 04:52:48 | eigma | every other definition of fat_size has the multivolume ifdef |
| 04:54:11 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: void fat_size(unsigned int* size, unsigned int* free) |
| 04:54:30 | eigma | ./firmware/drivers/fat.c, for instance, has "void fat_size(IF_MV2(int volume,) unsigned long* size, unsigned long* free)" |
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| 04:54:42 | eigma | so the types are also wrong |
| 04:55:13 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Ahhh. |
| 04:55:32 | eigma | though, on most machines (32-bits), that should be inconsequential |
| 04:55:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: My machine is 32-bit. |
| 04:56:04 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Pentium 4, to be specific. |
| 04:56:15 | eigma | the type difference shouldn't matter. the IF_MV2 bit should. |
| 04:56:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: That's what has to be fixed, correct? |
| 04:56:53 | eigma | yeah, hold on, writing a fix |
| 04:57:43 | eigma | what's the right way to output a warning from io.? |
| 04:57:45 | eigma | *io.c? |
| 04:58:16 | Cannoli | LambdaCalculus37: the themes taht are shown on rockbox themes.com are they alreayd included in rockbox? |
| 04:58:28 | Cannoli | or do i have to download them seperatly? |
| 04:58:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cannoli: We call that "priority interrupt". |
| 04:59:03 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cannoli: You have to download them serperately. |
| 04:59:19 | Cannoli | sorry was that not allowed? |
| 04:59:26 | Cannoli | sorry |
| 04:59:34 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cannoli: You don't have to poke at someone directly. |
| 04:59:41 | LambdaCalculus37 | You can make that a general question. |
| 04:59:41 | Cannoli | oh ok |
| 04:59:58 | LambdaCalculus37 | I was reading some code when you did that. |
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| 05:00:01 | Cannoli | sorry about that |
| 05:00:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | Cannoli: Please try to read the IRC guidelines. |
| 05:01:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Line 704 in io.c shows a listing of errors. |
| 05:07:12 | LambdaCalculus37 | My C skills are still a bit underdeveloped, so bear with me if I may stumble from time to time. |
| 05:08:19 | eigma | LC: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7752 |
| 05:08:48 | eigma | I'm gonna run through all the builds on the page that I showed you, to make sure I didn't break the build. will know in about an hour. |
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| 05:09:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: I may be signing off within the hour. I have to go to work early tomorrow. |
| 05:09:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: What's your forum name? |
| 05:09:49 | eigma | I have never posted in the forum :) |
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| 05:09:55 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: EVER? |
| 05:09:58 | eigma | EVAH |
| 05:10:11 | eigma | my rb.org name is Catalin Patulea, as you can see in the ticket |
| 05:10:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Sign up for the forums. I get more of a chance to be on the forums than on IRC. |
| 05:10:42 | LambdaCalculus37 | Or at least e-mail me with progress or whatnot. |
| 05:10:56 | LambdaCalculus37 | My rb.org name is Robert Menes. |
| 05:11:02 | eigma | um, there's a patch that fixes it in the ticket.. I was just asking that you try to apply it and see if it works for you too |
| 05:11:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: I can do that. |
| 05:11:24 | eigma | thanks |
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| 05:17:28 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Which file to patch? |
| 05:17:38 | eigma | just patch from your rb directory |
| 05:17:52 | eigma | rockbox$ patch -p0 < path-to-the-patch.diff |
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| 05:19:20 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Patched. |
| 05:19:29 | LambdaCalculus37 | Now compiling sim build. |
| 05:22:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Success!! |
| 05:22:44 | eigma | nice |
| 05:22:47 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: We have Rockbox Info! |
| 05:23:43 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Great job! |
| 05:23:47 | eigma | thanks |
| 05:25:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Nothing else seems to have broken. |
| 05:26:07 | eigma | excellent |
| 05:28:15 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: Left you a comment. |
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| 05:29:35 | eigma | LC: thanks |
| 05:31:15 | eigma | brb |
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| 05:32:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | eigma: I'm going to turn in for the night. |
| 05:33:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | But do consider signing onto the forums. I'm there more ofen than I am on IRC. |
| 05:33:59 | eigma | ok |
| 05:34:21 | LambdaCalculus37 | Take care, all! |
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| 06:38:18 | `VL | hello, if ther are anybody! |
| 06:38:29 | eigma | there are anybodies |
| 06:38:44 | `VL | does there exist some sort of txt reader in rockbox? (iriver h340) |
| 06:38:52 | eigma | I don't know |
| 06:39:07 | kkurbjun | 'VL, there is a text viewer |
| 06:39:31 | kkurbjun | you just have to select a .txt file and it will open it up |
| 06:39:45 | `VL | ok,let`s try... |
| 06:40:57 | `VL | hm...works =)... bad thing is that i can see theme background behind the text |
| 06:41:21 | `VL | can rockbox show lyrics while playing? |
| 06:42:38 | kkurbjun | I think theres a patch for that, it's not in the main build |
| 06:42:54 | kkurbjun | I've never used it |
| 06:43:56 | `VL | rockbox matured a lot since i last viewed it...i really want to stay with it |
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| 06:49:55 | kkurbjun | 'VL on the H320 it's pretty mature |
| 06:50:07 | kkurbjun | no more of those battery problems |
| 06:52:09 | * | `VL gone. testing in progress =). think `ill make 3 levels more in doom on the way to job |
| 06:53:09 | kkurbjun | :) |
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| 06:54:53 | homielowe | kkurbjun: Any breakthroughs on the MR:500? |
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| 06:55:44 | kkurbjun | huh, didn't want to wait |
| 06:55:47 | eigma | hehe |
| 06:55:49 | eigma | impatient man |
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| 06:55:59 | homielowe | woops |
| 06:56:04 | kkurbjun | you're back! |
| 06:56:06 | kkurbjun | :) |
| 06:56:37 | kkurbjun | eigma's helping too - I have the lcd working at the moment in the bootloader.. not much overall, but a start |
| 06:56:44 | homielowe | macbooks are confusing after using a windows machine for 10 years |
| 06:57:04 | homielowe | :) |
| 06:57:25 | kkurbjun | it shows "rockbox boot loader Version ..." |
| 06:58:31 | homielowe | \o/ |
| 06:58:43 | eigma | haha, I just got what what smilie means |
| 06:58:46 | eigma | *what that |
| 06:59:13 | kkurbjun | :), is this on the mrobe forums? |
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| 07:00:47 | homielowe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcTalk "little man' |
| 07:01:59 | kkurbjun | I meant the rockbox port.. I'd prefer to keep it here for now till there's actually something to show, unless it's already common knowledge |
| 07:07:30 | kkurbjun | homielowe, you should register with nickserv if you're not already, you can't message individuals unless you are |
| 07:07:41 | kkurbjun | and if you are, you should identify yourself |
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| 07:10:07 | eigma | all right, I'm off; good night |
| 07:10:19 | kkurbjun | night, talk to you later |
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| 07:15:05 | homielowe | im not sure how really,(nickserv) I suggested to the people at mrobe forums to keep it on rockbox.org/#rockbox |
| 07:17:03 | kkurbjun | "/msg NICKSERV help" |
| 07:17:12 | kkurbjun | it's the register command |
| 07:17:23 | kkurbjun | and then you have to use the identify command |
| 07:19:07 | homielowe | REGISTER |
| 07:19:30 | kkurbjun | sorry, you need to /msg NICKSERV register |
| 07:19:41 | homielowe | I'm figuring this out |
| 07:19:47 | kkurbjun | no worries |
| 07:21:18 | kkurbjun | homielowe, what irc client are you using? |
| 07:21:27 | homielowe | chatzilla |
| 07:21:42 | kkurbjun | hmm, I'm not familiar with that one |
| 07:22:22 | kkurbjun | this might be a good place too:http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration |
| 07:22:36 | homielowe | there done |
| 07:22:57 | kkurbjun | yep, now it's set |
| 07:23:43 | kkurbjun | but I'm off to sleep for now |
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| 07:38:50 | Nick_Brackley | How would one go about creating a diff/patch of two separate directories on a linux system eg. rockbox.orig and rockbox? |
| 07:39:15 | scorche | did you use svn? |
| 07:39:21 | scorche | to get the source, that is |
| 07:39:27 | Nick_Brackley | yes |
| 07:40:32 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling#Producing_a_diff_of_your_changes |
| 07:41:09 | Nick_Brackley | thank you, i tried using diff but for some reason they would never compile |
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| 07:54:25 | Nick_Brackley | it seems this produces the same problem |
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| 07:55:39 | Nick_Brackley | heres whats happening, i apply a patch (i can then compile it and it works no problems) but when i try to make a diff and then apply it to clean source, it will not compile |
| 07:56:46 | Nick_Brackley | does anyone have any ideas/need more information? |
| 07:57:18 | LinusN | is the clean source newer than the patched one? |
| 07:57:30 | Nick_Brackley | no they are the exact same version |
| 07:58:02 | Nick_Brackley | (14667) |
| 07:59:49 | LinusN | how do you do the diff? |
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| 08:00:00 | LinusN | svn diff > file |
| 08:00:11 | Nick_Brackley | svn diff > my.patch |
| 08:00:16 | Nick_Brackley | yes |
| 08:00:41 | LinusN | and then you apply it to the fresh source with patch -p0 < my.patch |
| 08:01:23 | Nick_Brackley | patch −−binary -p0 < my.patch |
| 08:01:24 | LinusN | could it be that the patch you applied in the first place created some new files? |
| 08:01:54 | LinusN | because new files aren't included in svn diff unless you add them to the repo |
| 08:02:01 | Nick_Brackley | no i dont believe it does |
| 08:02:09 | LinusN | which patch is it? |
| 08:02:41 | Nick_Brackley | a version of the recordingenhancementspack that i have modified so that it will sync |
| 08:02:51 | LinusN | ok |
| 08:03:22 | Nick_Brackley | and that patch applies ok and compiles, but i want to make a clean diff of it |
| 08:04:14 | Nick_Brackley | i have also tried the command "diff -u -r rockbox.orig rockbox > rep.patch" |
| 08:04:22 | Nick_Brackley | with the same result |
| 08:04:28 | LinusN | where is the original patch? |
| 08:04:54 | Nick_Brackley | i move it out of the directory after i have applied it |
| 08:05:11 | LinusN | i mean where on the web |
| 08:05:14 | Nick_Brackley | or do you mean a location to download it? |
| 08:05:21 | Nick_Brackley | one second |
| 08:06:14 | Nick_Brackley | its on the rockbox forums which are currently giving me a "orry, SMF was unable to connect to the database. This may be caused by the server being busy. Please try again later." error |
| 08:06:20 | Nick_Brackley | sorry* |
| 08:06:47 | LinusN | i wonder why a patch is in the forum and not in flyspray |
| 08:06:51 | LinusN | never mind |
| 08:07:14 | LinusN | can you show me the error message? |
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| 08:07:54 | Nick_Brackley | yes, just need to get it off my build machine |
| 08:07:55 | LinusN | i mean the compiler error of course |
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| 08:10:55 | Nick_Brackley | bugger |
| 08:11:09 | Nick_Brackley | "/bin/sh: line 2: /home/nick/Rockbox/20070911/rockbox/build/apps/features: No such file or directory |
| 08:11:10 | Nick_Brackley | CC lang.c |
| 08:11:12 | Nick_Brackley | cat: /home/nick/Rockbox/20070911/rockbox/build/apps/features: No such file or directory |
| 08:11:14 | Nick_Brackley | CC action.c |
| 08:11:16 | Nick_Brackley | CC alarm_menu.c |
| 08:11:17 | Nick_Brackley | CC abrepeat.c |
| 08:11:19 | Nick_Brackley | CC bookmark.c |
| 08:11:21 | Nick_Brackley | In file included from bookmark.c:37: |
| 08:11:22 | Nick_Brackley | recorder/icons.h:30:25: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory |
| 08:11:23 | Nick_Brackley | recorder/icons.h:32:32: remote_rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory |
| 08:11:25 | Nick_Brackley | make[1]: *** [/home/nick/Rockbox/20070911/rockbox/build/apps/bookmark.o] Error 1 |
| 08:11:26 | Nick_Brackley | make: *** [build] Error 2" |
| 08:12:39 | scorche | next time please use a pastebin |
| 08:13:01 | Nick_Brackley | no problem, sorry |
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| 08:13:56 | LinusN | have you tried to reconfigure and do "make clean"? |
| 08:14:06 | Nick_Brackley | yes, many times |
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| 08:15:51 | LinusN | even in the source tree that works? |
| 08:16:37 | Nick_Brackley | yes |
| 08:17:11 | LinusN | could you use pastebin and show me the entire output from the compile? |
| 08:17:26 | Nick_Brackley | yes |
| 08:20:45 | Nick_Brackley | http://pastebin.com/m7786cf48 |
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| 08:22:26 | LinusN | something goes wrong when creating the "features" file |
| 08:23:00 | LinusN | can you build a simulator? |
| 08:23:10 | Nick_Brackley | yes, except the patch doesn't touch that file |
| 08:23:16 | Nick_Brackley | i haven't tried |
| 08:23:42 | LinusN | the features file is built using the native gcc compiler |
| 08:23:56 | LinusN | i wonder if that could be an issue |
| 08:24:45 | LinusN | btw, did you really get the fresh source using svn? |
| 08:24:50 | Nick_Brackley | i don't understand what you mean, rockbox will compile on my machine, so why would this patch be breaking that? |
| 08:25:09 | * | GodEater predicts lack of disk space |
| 08:25:09 | | Nick fxb__ is now known as fxb (n=felixbru@h1252615.stratoserver.net) |
| 08:25:12 | Nick_Brackley | yes i always use svn |
| 08:25:21 | Nick_Brackley | 32GB free |
| 08:25:36 | LinusN | Nick_Brackley: can i see the patch? |
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| 08:25:42 | Nick_Brackley | yes |
| 08:26:00 | * | LinusN really dislikes the new frontpage svn history |
| 08:26:02 | Nick_Brackley | the original that i modified or the output of the diff? |
| 08:26:15 | LinusN | the output of the diff |
| 08:26:18 | Nick_Brackley | ok |
| 08:26:46 | amiconn | LinusN: Blame Zagor... |
| 08:27:11 | LinusN | i'll kill him when i see him :-) |
| 08:27:52 | Nick_Brackley | http://pastebin.com/m43ae7c80 |
| 08:29:47 | scorche | LinusN: i havent seen a single person who disagrees wth that sentiment |
| 08:30:43 | * | GodEater is somewhat surprised that all the so-called web developers we have in our forums haven't made a single response to his thread yesterday. Guess we stick to doing it ourselves after all. |
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| 08:30:49 | * | Llorean wonders if the recent activity page should include forum activity, since it's including mailing list. |
| 08:30:59 | * | GodEater 's faith in humanity dwindles even more |
| 08:32:44 | LinusN | Nick_Brackley: weird indeed, all the @@ are gone from the patch |
| 08:33:45 | LinusN | the leading ones, that is |
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| 08:59:09 | fergofrog | Hey, I need some help with some scripting issues |
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| 08:59:23 | GodEater | fergofrog: what sort of scripting ? |
| 08:59:36 | fergofrog | Theme scripts |
| 08:59:48 | GodEater | do you mean WPS ? |
| 09:00 |
| 09:00:06 | fergofrog | Yes and the .cfg that sits inside the theme folder |
| 09:01:57 | fergofrog | ... |
| 09:03:12 | GodEater | are you waiting for us to have omniscient insight into both what your question is, and the answer ? |
| 09:05:30 | fergofrog | I have made a Theme and the .cfg that goes with it and in it i have linked to the wps with: wps: /.rockbox/wps/Coverflow.wps but for some reason it is not loading up the wps for the now playing screen. |
| 09:07:39 | GodEater | that likely means there is an error in your wps |
| 09:07:47 | fergofrog | OK thankyou. |
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| 09:07:57 | GodEater | if you run it under the sim with "-debugwps" it might help you figure out where it's broken |
| 09:08:07 | GodEater | it will tell you which line it fails to load |
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| 09:10:06 | DiZe | Umm... anyone care to help me out with this "rockbox"? |
| 09:10:37 | GodEater | DiZe: what help do you need? (Be aware you're required to have read the manual first...) |
| 09:10:39 | B4gder | this "rockbox" ? is that like almost the real Rockbox but not quite? |
| 09:10:53 | GodEater | it's a doppelgangerbox |
| 09:11:36 | DiZe | Just a quick question... can it play videos? I see nowhere in the menu that says VIDEOS, cuz i have an ipod video |
| 09:12:07 | GodEater | DiZe: the answer to that question is in the manual, and the wiki. The short answer is "yes" though |
| 09:12:22 | GodEater | you will have noticed that there is no "Music" entry in the menu either |
| 09:12:38 | * | B4gder recommends the fine manual |
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| 09:12:51 | DiZe | Hmmmmm ur right, but i had to make a seperate MUSIC folder in the ROOT because it wasnt playin some music files |
| 09:12:55 | DiZe | Thanks |
| 09:13:03 | B4gder | no you didn |
| 09:13:06 | B4gder | t have to |
| 09:13:23 | B4gder | you can and it might be a good idea, but you don't _have to_ |
| 09:13:46 | DiZe | hmmmm ok |
| 09:14:03 | GodEater | you sound unconvinced |
| 09:15:03 | DiZe | I need the loader thing... that lets you choose between different OS's, any idea where i can get that at? |
| 09:15:24 | markun | another gigabeat owner won over :) http://www.mygigabeat.com/forum/messages.cfm?threadid=BC264E8B-3048-2906-EAF7CE8EC4DE8A6B |
| 09:16:35 | GodEater | DiZe: again, you don't *need* it - the Rockbox bootloader does that too |
| 09:16:35 | B4gder | I love a good hash in the url... .-) |
| 09:17:13 | DiZe | ohhhhh |
| 09:18:03 | markun | DiZe: but it has no menu so you need to press a special key (should be in the manual) |
| 09:18:33 | DiZe | for the bootloader? |
| 09:20:18 | B4gder | hey... I see there's a possibility for Rockbox on Canon cameras! ;-) => http://scratchpad.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK |
| 09:20:29 | B4gder | ARM based |
| 09:20:59 | GodEater | does that mean we should undelete DavidGRawson's latest post (which I found in the Trash this morning) |
| 09:21:55 | markun | B4gder: I wouldn't mind changing my firmware, maybe a rockbox camera fork |
| 09:22:55 | advcomp2019 | i have a canon camera |
| 09:23:15 | Nick_Brackley | forums.rockbox.org down? or just me..... |
| 09:23:58 | DiZe | it takes long for it to load for me Nick |
| 09:24:08 | B4gder | yes, it is "just" dead slow |
| 09:24:18 | Nick_Brackley | ok thanks |
| 09:24:22 | scorche | 'e just restin'! |
| 09:24:47 | Nick_Brackley | lol |
| 09:24:48 | advcomp2019 | it back to normal now |
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| 09:26:21 | DiZe | "the rockbox bootloader, once installed, allows you to choose whether you want to run Rockbox or Apple's firmware whenever you turn the ipod on." |
| 09:26:27 | DiZe | It sure doesnt do that for me |
| 09:26:31 | DiZe | i must have done something wrong |
| 09:26:41 | GodEater | DiZe: it most certainly does |
| 09:26:47 | GodEater | did you read how to choose ? |
| 09:27:48 | DiZe | Not really, i just read how to install rockbox followed eery step |
| 09:27:52 | DiZe | every* |
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| 09:28:40 | GodEater | well to boot into AppleOS, just flick the hold switch to "on" as *soon* as you see the apple logo appear (before the backlight turns on even) |
| 09:29:53 | DiZe | !!! |
| 09:29:55 | DiZe | it worked! |
| 09:30:05 | * | DiZe Sighs of relief |
| 09:30:07 | DiZe | Thankz! |
| 09:30:13 | DiZe | U guys friggin rock :| |
| 09:30:42 | Nick_Brackley | and the forums are slow (again :() |
| 09:31:03 | GodEater | Nick_Brackley: they always are at this time of morning |
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| 09:31:09 | GodEater | for reasons we don't fully comprehend |
| 09:31:30 | Nick_Brackley | lol ok |
| 09:31:36 | DiZe | Thankz GodEater, im outta here |
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| 09:31:53 | GodEater | has anyone asked Jeff "Why do the forums suck at this time?" yet ? :) |
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| 09:36:48 | B4gder | yeah, one of these days we will need to get this fixed |
| 09:39:28 | aliask | B4gder: Jon sticks by what he said about us having a flexible license |
| 09:40:04 | aliask | Would including eSpeak require us to explicitly change to GPLv3, or could we just include it without doing anything? |
| 09:40:22 | B4gder | if we use their gplv3 version, we need to go v3 too |
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| 09:41:19 | aliask | Even if what he says is true (that we have the v2 or later option) |
| 09:41:36 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:42:00 | B4gder | since we cannot be v2 and ship binaries with v3 in it |
| 09:42:08 | JdGordon | see, now if we moved the project to russia or china we wouldnt have to deal with this silly license nonesence |
| 09:42:09 | B4gder | the "or later" just allows us to easier switch to v3 |
| 09:42:27 | Zaphiel | Hej how to check what is new in rockobox on the main site in "Subversion"? |
| 09:42:37 | Zaphiel | After web changes |
| 09:42:44 | GodEater | Zaphiel: wait till we shout at Zagor to fix it back again! |
| 09:43:14 | Zaphiel | I can't look at thing that were earlier... |
| 09:43:23 | aliask | Would we consider going to v3? |
| 09:43:33 | Zaphiel | ok :D |
| 09:43:39 | B4gder | aliask: that's indeed up for discussion |
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| 09:44:22 | Zaphiel | You could going to v3 after sansa gets USB connection.... |
| 09:44:24 | aliask | I feel like I should keep him in the loop, so I'll post back and say that if what he says is true then we'll have to have the v3 discussion |
| 09:44:55 | aliask | Zaphiel: Different v3 :) GPLv3 and Rockbox V3 |
| 09:45:16 | Zaphiel | Yes I just realised... sorry |
| 09:46:23 | B4gder | The thing with this gpl license is |
| 09:46:35 | B4gder | I would like to know what people actually think about the version |
| 09:46:38 | GodEater | it's a political hot potato |
| 09:46:52 | B4gder | did you contribute code to the gplv2 or to gpl any version ? |
| 09:47:17 | GodEater | I assume you mean Rockbox code and not just code in general ;) |
| 09:47:21 | B4gder | I personally had not given enough focus on one little sentence in paragraph 9 |
| 09:47:29 | B4gder | If the Program does not specify a version number of |
| 09:47:29 | B4gder | this License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software |
| 09:47:29 | B4gder | Foundation. |
| 09:47:40 | B4gder | "the Program" ? |
| 09:47:45 | B4gder | the license says version 2 |
| 09:47:51 | B4gder | isn't that in the program? |
| 09:48:18 | JdGordon | All files in this archive are subject to the GNU General Public License. |
| 09:48:18 | JdGordon | * See the file COPYING in the source tree root for full license agreement. |
| 09:48:22 | JdGordon | is our usual header |
| 09:48:29 | B4gder | yes, and the license says v2 |
| 09:48:29 | JdGordon | so he looks correct... |
| 09:48:38 | B4gder | so the program says v2 |
| 09:48:42 | B4gder | or doesn't it? |
| 09:48:54 | B4gder | I've interpreted it that way before |
| 09:49:07 | B4gder | but now I read it with his eyes and I can see how that is far from crystal clear |
| 09:49:27 | ze | i'd say that changing the COPYING file to something different would be some sleight-of-hand and not quite legit |
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| 09:49:41 | ze | i.e. the file as it exists in archives with the source pointing to it |
| 09:49:47 | ze | indicates v2 |
| 09:49:48 | ze | thus v2 |
| 09:49:57 | B4gder | that's my thinking too |
| 09:50:37 | B4gder | it's not like we say "the GPL" or similar |
| 09:50:49 | B4gder | we refer to a specific file, that says v2 |
| 09:50:59 | ze | yeah |
| 09:52:36 | GodEater | bloody legalese |
| 09:52:49 | ze | i'm not sure that the "major feature" of v3 is gonna work as intended, and whether it does or not i'm also undecided as to whether or not it'd be a good thing |
| 09:52:59 | ze | however, and this probably doesn't even matter, but |
| 09:53:35 | ze | if there's any of my code in rockbox at this point, i wouldn't be averse to whatever version gpl it ends up needing to go with |
| 09:53:40 | ze | whether thats sticking with 2 or migrating to 3 |
| 09:54:22 | GodEater | do we have much code in Rockbox that's (C) of people that we have no contact with anymore ? |
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| 09:54:39 | B4gder | I don't think it is "much", but some I bet |
| 09:54:39 | aliask | Probably plenty |
| 09:54:44 | GodEater | and how do we handle things like Rockboy, where at least one of the devs that we know of is actually dead ? |
| 09:54:54 | aliask | HCl :( |
| 09:54:55 | B4gder | and we probably have a lot of (c) lines that are plain wrong |
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| 09:54:57 | ze | (i used to be PsycoXul btw, and my contributions were minor and ancient history by now) |
| 09:55:25 | hcs | GodEater: I'd assume the rights passed to a family member. |
| 09:55:39 | ze | oh man |
| 09:55:40 | GodEater | I would too - but do any of us know any of HCl's family ? |
| 09:55:50 | ze | inherited free-software copyrights |
| 09:55:57 | ze | what a funky thing to have to deal with |
| 09:56:00 | B4gder | his father posted in the forum just after hcl passed away |
| 09:56:01 | GodEater | as I recall, we didn't even know he'd died till some friend of his came in to tell us |
| 09:56:16 | B4gder | yeah |
| 09:56:18 | JdGordon | we for sure have alot of (c) lines which are wrong |
| 09:56:25 | markun | GodEater: I could probably contact them, but I think they have enough problems of their own |
| 09:56:29 | GodEater | wrong in what way ? |
| 09:56:34 | JdGordon | wrong person |
| 09:56:39 | B4gder | and wrong years |
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| 09:56:48 | GodEater | markun: that's another issue too - do we want to bug them over something so trivial (to them) ? |
| 09:56:49 | JdGordon | does the year matter? |
| 09:56:57 | B4gder | it does somewhat |
| 09:57:03 | B4gder | since copyright is based on the year |
| 09:57:07 | | Nick DarkSaboteur is now known as darksaboteur (n=chatzill@75.73.87.203.static.nsw.chariot.net.au) |
| 09:57:12 | B4gder | I mean, in a distant future it matters |
| 09:58:12 | B4gder | whoa, I climbed 10 steps on ohloh over night |
| 09:58:19 | JdGordon | congrats |
| 09:58:32 | B4gder | rated #27 now |
| 09:59:07 | petur | (10) with two stars ;) |
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| 10:01:41 | aliask | I think the kudo system needs working out... I'm rated higher than pondlife... |
| 10:02:00 | B4gder | yes, the rating is weird |
| 10:02:14 | * | petur corrects it by giving kudos to pondlife |
| 10:02:38 | petur | ... his first one actually |
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| 10:27:46 | JdGordon | jus reading GodEater's email... dont we have well over 200 contributors? |
| 10:27:58 | JdGordon | isnt trying to get everosones yes a futuile effort? |
| 10:28:21 | aliask | I counted 320 in CREDITS |
| 10:28:22 | pondlife | Well, at least one contributor is no longer with us :( |
| 10:28:29 | aliask | Plus all the groups |
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| 10:28:51 | ddalton | who? |
| 10:28:57 | B4gder | JdGordon: feel free to voice your opinion/take on it then ;-) |
| 10:29:00 | pondlife | HCl |
| 10:29:29 | JdGordon | yeah, and wont going v3 cause worse problems with the codecs? |
| 10:29:32 | GodEater | Do people in the "Credits" file count as copyright holders ? |
| 10:29:34 | JdGordon | arnt they all v2? |
| 10:29:34 | webmind | :( |
| 10:29:44 | B4gder | GodEater: not really, no |
| 10:29:52 | GodEater | I didn't think so |
| 10:30:10 | B4gder | copyright holders are states so in the files, or may of course claim that they should be in the files |
| 10:30:11 | Llorean | GodEater: They snuck me into that file long before I'd written any code. |
| 10:30:16 | GodEater | me too |
| 10:30:24 | B4gder | but lots of CREDITS people do not have copyrights of any files |
| 10:30:34 | GodEater | I thought not |
| 10:30:47 | JdGordon | B4gder: oh? I thought everyone who ever contributed code was needed to change the lincese |
| 10:30:57 | B4gder | no, just copyright holders |
| 10:31:01 | B4gder | "just" |
| 10:31:02 | pondlife | I don't think I do. Is it the creator of a particular file who holds copyright? |
| 10:31:14 | GodEater | pondlife: should be yes |
| 10:31:14 | linuxstb | So are we not accepting section 9 of the GPL? |
| 10:31:29 | JdGordon | then there is the other rpoblem on when you add your name or change your name from the (c) line |
| 10:31:40 | B4gder | linuxstb: I wouldn't say that it is without discsussion at least |
| 10:31:46 | webmind | afaik the person who wrote the code hold the copyright no ? |
| 10:31:56 | B4gder | webmind: correct |
| 10:32:09 | webmind | so that can be multiple persons per file |
| 10:32:12 | pondlife | But the original code may well have been completely rewritten in some places. |
| 10:32:19 | B4gder | but changing someone else's code doesn't change the copyright owner |
| 10:32:59 | B4gder | pondlife: yes, and that's of course the tricky part to detect and make so that the original author has no copyright left but instead is "taken over" by the new person |
| 10:33:04 | B4gder | etc |
| 10:33:15 | * | petur wonders why GodEater is called ʎɹq when looking at the mail archive |
| 10:33:22 | pondlife | OK, If I were to split the voice stuff from playback.c into a new file (say playback_voice.c), who would I put as the (c) holder? |
| 10:33:27 | GodEater | because the list archive isn't UTF-8 |
| 10:33:37 | aliask | No lambda :( |
| 10:33:41 | * | B4gder whistles |
| 10:33:55 | * | B4gder may be the one writing some parts of hypermail... |
| 10:34:05 | webmind | GodEater, I've got contacts to HCl's family ? |
| 10:34:21 | GodEater | webmind: so has markun - he says not to bug them at the moment |
| 10:34:30 | webmind | yes, understandable |
| 10:34:34 | linuxstb | pondlife: Check the svn logs, and if it's not clear who did the initial implementation, use the same (C) holder as playback.c Or maybe it's an adaption of the hwcodec voice code, in which case, you could use that (C) holder.... (clear, isn't it...) |
| 10:35:10 | pondlife | linuxstb: Yes, you get my point. I'd go for Slasheri in this case as he holds (c) in playback.c. |
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| 10:35:23 | Llorean | What happens if you add code to a file, though? |
| 10:36:08 | pondlife | No (c) is given for that (at the moment). |
| 10:36:13 | B4gder | Llorean: you can add yourself as copyright owner, if you consider the addition significant enough |
| 10:36:22 | Llorean | I mean, if you add a few new functions to gwps-common, completely composed of new code, but don't change any of the other ones? |
| 10:36:24 | B4gder | but in general we've not done that very much |
| 10:36:26 | JdGordon | grepping the sources for Copyright shows a funny one... |
| 10:36:33 | JdGordon | Copyright(C) 2001 Apple Computer, Inc.−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−- |
| 10:36:34 | Llorean | Clearly the old functions belong to the old copyright holder, and the new ones to you. |
| 10:36:59 | pondlife | The per-file distinction is arbitrary and unhelpful, of course. |
| 10:37:04 | Llorean | So, for Rockbox, do we have "anyone who's held copyright on a file, unless all their code has since been removed"? |
| 10:37:04 | linuxstb | JdGordon: ;) That's a string scramble writes into a firmware image it creates... |
| 10:37:11 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 10:37:21 | JdGordon | tickles my funny bone though :p |
| 10:37:39 | pondlife | I think the CREDITS file would be the best thing to use, if we should try to change anythin. |
| 10:37:40 | pondlife | g |
| 10:38:02 | linuxstb | Llorean: IMO (reading section 9 of the GPL), we already have permission to use any version of the GPL. |
| 10:38:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: Since we didn't specify one? |
| 10:38:20 | webmind | we've got code from apple ? |
| 10:38:29 | webmind | that is rockbox :) |
| 10:38:35 | pondlife | Nope, we pretend to make code from Apple |
| 10:38:38 | scorche|ltop | what about all of the other GPLv2 items in rockbox? |
| 10:38:40 | Llorean | webmind: No, it's part of a text string added to an output file for Apple's benefit. |
| 10:38:41 | webmind | ) |
| 10:38:53 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes. Either the code doesn't specificy a version, or (all the imported GPL code) specify v2 or later. |
| 10:38:57 | Llorean | scorche|ltop: Investigation so far suggests everything v2 we've incorporated was actually v2 or later. |
| 10:39:08 | Llorean | linuxstb: Well then we're fairly in the clear. |
| 10:39:09 | scorche|ltop | hrm... |
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| 10:40:08 | Llorean | Assuming we leave it as is, we can distribute the binary under the v3 terms, but if someone checks out all the code and removes the espeak code, they can distribute under v2 (assuming espeak were added)? |
| 10:40:19 | Llorean | Or do we have to change all the notices to v3 if espeak were added? |
| 10:41:03 | linuxstb | We could choose to do either. IMO the former makes sense. |
| 10:41:27 | Llorean | The former is more comfortable to me, I just wasn't sure it was "clean" |
| 10:42:18 | JdGordon | were we only planning on using espeak in a plugin? |
| 10:42:21 | Llorean | I'm not really comfortable enough with my knowledge of v3 and its ramifications to yet think it's a good idea to pin everything down to it for the future, y'know? |
| 10:44:23 | pondlife | Why add restrictions unless there's an obvious benefit? |
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| 10:44:53 | pondlife | JdGordon: Maybe as a TSR plugin, but it's needed from the core, ultimately. |
| 10:46:11 | linuxstb | pondlife: What do you mean? (re: restrictions) |
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| 10:50:24 | aliask | Could we make a TTS "codec"? |
| 10:50:39 | B4gder | play text files |
| 10:50:44 | Llorean | Sounds like a good idea. |
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| 10:51:04 | Llorean | But I'm kinda a fan of allowing viewer plugins to be called from playlists anyway (when manually created) |
| 10:51:09 | aliask | And we could just feed a string to it that we want it to voice |
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| 10:53:55 | B4gder | well, codecs work somewhat differently that viewers |
| 10:54:06 | B4gder | with a codec TTS we can have crossfade etc |
| 10:54:21 | B4gder | start reading the book while the previous song fades out |
| 10:54:39 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 10:54:48 | B4gder | can't do that with viewers |
| 10:54:58 | JdGordon | .. yet! |
| 10:55:19 | B4gder | patch pending? ;-) |
| 10:56:05 | LinusN | tts should definitely be a codec imho |
| 10:56:37 | Llorean | Fine then. I still think viewers in playlists would be nice. |
| 10:56:45 | B4gder | ;-) |
| 10:56:55 | Llorean | Only if it's a hand-written playlist, or they add the file with Insert (individually, not a folder of files) |
| 10:56:57 | B4gder | it would |
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| 10:57:42 | ddalton | If we can only run one plugin maybe espeak should be part of the core. |
| 10:57:52 | ddalton | once it is working correctly |
| 10:58:02 | Llorean | ddalton: As they suggested, Codec would probably be the ideal. |
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| 11:03:14 | markun | Llorean: too bad we can't use mbrola |
| 11:04:45 | Llorean | It would be nice... |
| 11:04:54 | JdGordon | well.. fsf.org sucks... I cant find any obvious links for people to ask them questions |
| 11:06:10 | JdGordon | licensing@fsf.org seems to be the only relevant email... |
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| 11:07:55 | GodEater | after some work with grep, sort, cut, uniq and a bit of vi magic, I have 164 copyright holders |
| 11:08:02 | GodEater | some of which are organisations |
| 11:08:49 | GodEater | http://pastebin.ca/691613 |
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| 11:11:47 | DefineByte | I was thinking (feel free to shoot me), has flyspray been considered to allow people to contribute to rockbox's website design? |
| 11:12:33 | GodEater | DefineByte: you mean put their code there ? |
| 11:12:37 | GodEater | sure, I don't see why not |
| 11:12:38 | DefineByte | yes |
| 11:13:02 | DefineByte | then, if anyone comes up with an 'improvement' they code post code their |
| 11:13:15 | DefineByte | there/ |
| 11:13:47 | bluebrother | as far as I could see the website wasn't subject for contribution until recently. |
| 11:14:10 | bluebrother | some people discussed new designs in the forums, but I never noticed someone trying to submit actual code... |
| 11:14:42 | GodEater | bluebrother: no-one has either |
| 11:14:43 | JdGordon | i think there is a website catergory for FS |
| 11:14:55 | JdGordon | CSIRO? |
| 11:15:33 | DefineByte | once a main design is decided on it would be nice if people could submit tweaks |
| 11:15:42 | DefineByte | code-wise/ |
| 11:16:04 | pixelma | Llorean, maxkelley: reading the logs, I don't see a point in the pluginlibactions system - because of the great variety of controls in the existing plugins which call for different solutions depending on keypad. E.g. the generic "fire" key for Ondio is currently defined as "up" there because the first plugin to be converted to actions was bubbles - it makes sense in this plugin but not in others... :\ |
| 11:17:30 | Llorean | pixelma: I don't think it's going to be useful for all plugins, but if it were adapted well it could be useful for say, "All application style plugins" or some such |
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| 11:20:05 | pixelma | hmm... maybe there, but IMO not in the games category |
| 11:20:19 | Llorean | Definitely not in the games one. :) |
| 11:20:23 | Llorean | Far too much variation. |
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| 11:21:03 | DefineByte | could users set their own controls? |
| 11:21:11 | DefineByte | in a standard way/ |
| 11:21:22 | bluebrother | nooo ... |
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| 11:21:53 | DefineByte | any reason? how many games /don't/ let you set controls |
| 11:21:59 | preglow | my horse for a shell that doesn't always bloody get rebooted |
| 11:22:01 | DefineByte | ? |
| 11:22:06 | DefineByte | :) |
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| 11:23:32 | Llorean | bluebrother: I think he just meant for games. |
| 11:23:47 | Llorean | For most games it doesn't really make sense (Tetris, Frozen Bubbles, Jewels) with a few limited exceptions within those games. |
| 11:23:50 | DefineByte | not for apps, no |
| 11:23:58 | DefineByte | that would be silly x) |
| 11:24:22 | bluebrother | ah. |
| 11:24:23 | DefineByte | i'm thiking for the more complex ones, for sure |
| 11:24:29 | DefineByte | n/ |
| 11:24:43 | bluebrother | who plays that complex games seriously anyway? ;) |
| 11:24:53 | DefineByte | everyone seems to come up with a different way to play doom |
| 11:25:14 | DefineByte | i dunno. i only play solitaire :D |
| 11:25:21 | ddalton | there was an email on the dev list about making rockbox be under the gpl v3. Is this correct? what is the differences. Also if there is copy right issues and all the copy right holders have to be happy then what will happen with the rock boy developer's code? The email mentioned this as well. |
| 11:25:37 | bluebrother | GodEater: what's SFLC? |
| 11:25:38 | ddalton | since he is no longer with us |
| 11:25:45 | B4gder | ddalton: for the differences, see gplv3.fsf.org |
| 11:25:51 | GodEater | bluebrother: ask bagder :) |
| 11:26:00 | B4gder | bluebrother: software freedom law center |
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| 11:26:06 | bluebrother | ah :) |
| 11:26:26 | B4gder | they're a team of lawyers and similar, for open source/free software projects |
| 11:28:18 | * | GodEater laments his suddenly miserably low ohloh rank |
| 11:28:31 | * | ddalton will read it later. |
| 11:28:46 | ddalton | so what will happen with his code? |
| 11:29:15 | GodEater | ddalton: we don't know |
| 11:29:43 | ddalton | who posted the orriginal question? |
| 11:29:46 | B4gder | http://www.twit.tv/floss13 |
| 11:29:58 | B4gder | Eben Moglen interview, on gplv3 and sflc etc |
| 11:30:07 | GodEater | ddalton: which original question ? |
| 11:33:25 | ddalton | the one on the dev list about moving to v3 |
| 11:34:04 | GodEater | ddalton: that would be me |
| 11:34:19 | ddalton | ok did you see the reply? |
| 11:34:30 | GodEater | I saw Daniel's yes |
| 11:35:22 | ddalton | he was talking about something like if you say under the gpl licence it is under v3 as well but let me get the whole mail hang on |
| 11:35:36 | GodEater | I know exactly what he said |
| 11:35:48 | B4gder | ddalton: we already discussed that exact topic here |
| 11:36:00 | B4gder | I just wanted to spell it out for everyone |
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| 11:36:16 | B4gder | and see what others have to say |
| 11:36:57 | GodEater | ddalton: the crux of the issue is that the current Rockbox licensing *is* open to interpretation - and so we want to know how those who have contributed already interpret it themselves |
| 11:37:03 | ddalton | he says "Our source headers do note state any specific GPL version, nor do they say "v2 or later". " so how can someone tell it under v2? |
| 11:37:04 | ddalton | it is |
| 11:37:51 | ddalton | and what about this quote? "If the Program does not specify a version number of this |
| 11:37:54 | GodEater | because we say it is in our COPYING file |
| 11:37:58 | Llorean | Our COPYING file states that it (the copying file itself) is version 2. |
| 11:38:03 | ddalton | here is the end of it |
| 11:38:04 | ddalton | License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software Foundation." |
| 11:38:15 | Llorean | But in a different section, it says that if the program itself doesn't specify, it may be distributed under any version |
| 11:38:16 | GodEater | ddalton: we ALL already know what the email says - you don't need to keep pasting it |
| 11:38:30 | Llorean | So the question is, since we point people to the copying file, is that "The program stating it's under v2" or "The program doesn't state" |
| 11:38:36 | ddalton | which the following quote says: The COPYING file says explicitly on line 2 that it is the GPLv2 (and for your information, this is how I've interpreted our license situation). |
| 11:38:54 | B4gder | ddalton: what exactly are you trying to say? |
| 11:39:19 | GodEater | he seems to be keen to just keep pasting in your email Bagder ;) |
| 11:40:12 | ddalton | yeah I know but what does this mean especially the line "If the Program does not specify a version number of this License, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software |
| 11:40:34 | ddalton | so could we just say "Under the gpl licence"? Or have I got this completely wrong. |
| 11:40:46 | GodEater | ddalton: we're trying to decide what constitutes "The Program" |
| 11:41:08 | ddalton | wouldn't that be rockbox? |
| 11:41:15 | ddalton | for each target |
| 11:41:23 | GodEater | ddalton: does the COPYING file form part of the program or not ? |
| 11:41:38 | Llorean | ddalton: We're trying to figure out exactly what we've *already* said, since it seems to be a matter of debate. |
| 11:41:40 | ddalton | does it? |
| 11:41:49 | GodEater | ddalton: that's what I'm asking you |
| 11:42:01 | wookey__ | :-) |
| 11:42:04 | Llorean | ddalton: That's the most important question. Someone needs to figure out if the COPYING file speaks for the program or not. |
| 11:42:14 | ddalton | What is the coppying file where is it located? |
| 11:42:21 | B4gder | in docs/COPYING |
| 11:42:22 | GodEater | ddalton: it's in the source tree |
| 11:42:35 | ddalton | I got it |
| 11:42:57 | ddalton | well first if we are under v2 is it still the " GNU GENERAL PUBLIC LICENSE" |
| 11:43:11 | wookey__ | So do I understand you've been distributing rockbox under 'the gpl' (no version specified), but including a copy of GPLv2 in the sources? |
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| 11:43:23 | GodEater | wookey__: kind of :) |
| 11:43:38 | GodEater | wookey__: all our source files reference COPYING as where to find the license |
| 11:43:51 | wookey__ | GodEater: as they should |
| 11:43:53 | GodEater | wookey__: but they don't specify the license version themselves, only COPYING does that |
| 11:44:13 | wookey__ | OK. that sounds a n awful lot like 'GPL current or later' to me |
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| 11:44:29 | B4gder | yeah, I'm leaning towards that too |
| 11:44:31 | ddalton | so I haven't read the page on v3 yet but what is wrong with going to v3. Don't we just want to be able to distribute the source and the compiled version of rb and be able to share code? |
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| 11:44:36 | wookey__ | (You can only distribute v2 licence text until there is a newer one available) |
| 11:44:37 | GodEater | wookey__: that's the question we're trying to find the answer to. Does everyone with a (C) in the code believe it though |
| 11:44:46 | B4gder | ddalton: that's not what we discuss yet though |
| 11:44:58 | wookey__ | Indeed. I see 6 repeats in your list so I make it 162 :-) |
| 11:45:09 | GodEater | wookey__: yes - "uniq" let me down it seems |
| 11:45:28 | ze | GodEater: did you sort first? |
| 11:45:28 | wookey__ | one of which is 'kernel developers' which could be a sticking point :-) |
| 11:45:28 | ze | heh |
| 11:45:31 | GodEater | I spotted them after I pasted it but couldn't be bothered to fix it |
| 11:45:31 | ddalton | so could we have espeak under the v3 licence and you need to download it from another site to get it installed? and the core and the rest can be under v2? |
| 11:45:33 | GodEater | ze: yes I did |
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| 11:45:38 | ze | oh ok |
| 11:45:48 | GodEater | ddalton: no |
| 11:46:01 | GodEater | ze: uniq doesn't like non-ascii chars it seems |
| 11:46:04 | wookey__ | I'd certainly say that v3 is a good thing and unless anyone objects violently you should make moves in that direction. Sounds like you are already |
| 11:46:09 | GodEater | it broke on a LOT of the swedish names :) |
| 11:46:12 | Llorean | ddalton: That can't work. Rockbox is linked in such a way that all the code has to be compatibly licensed, including plugins. Whoever distributed espeak would be violating the GPL. |
| 11:46:26 | ddalton | ok thought so is that because anything to do with rockbox needs to be under the same licence? |
| 11:46:31 | wookey__ | It could be quite relevant as you are a great target for tivoising on some device or other |
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| 11:46:40 | ddalton | ok you answered my question |
| 11:46:42 | B4gder | and why would that be bad? |
| 11:46:47 | * | B4gder sticks out his chin |
| 11:46:48 | GodEater | wookey__: some of us feel that tivoisation isn't a bad thing |
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| 11:46:55 | * | Llorean doesn't mind TIVO-ising too much in Rockbox's case. |
| 11:47:05 | B4gder | lunch |
| 11:47:12 | wookey__ | OK, fair enough. |
| 11:47:12 | Llorean | It's not like we don't already have to figure out a way around signatures to get our code running. |
| 11:47:26 | Llorean | A TIVO-ised target is just a port that starts at 90% done instead of zero. |
| 11:47:43 | GodEater | Llorean: what a great way of looking at it :) |
| 11:47:55 | ddalton | so do we have to somehow get espeak under v2? or go to v3 our selves? |
| 11:48:08 | wookey__ | Except if tivoisation is done properly then the user can;t update his code - isn;t that bad? |
| 11:48:09 | GodEater | ddalton: we could take the last version of espeak that was released under v2 |
| 11:48:11 | Llorean | In fact keeping Rockbox GPLv2 and encouraging TIVO-isation might work nicely. :-P |
| 11:48:20 | GodEater | or we can go v3 ourselves, and use their latest code |
| 11:48:22 | Llorean | wookey__: If the user can't update his code, they can't install official updates either. |
| 11:48:55 | ddalton | so where not interested in new features and stuff? Or would we rewrite them our selves? |
| 11:49:01 | ddalton | we |
| 11:49:10 | ddalton | we're |
| 11:49:25 | wookey__ | Llorean: so the idea is that is manufactureres used rockbox then users could get updtaed via the manufacturer |
| 11:49:34 | GodEater | ddalton: we *are* interested in new features, that's why this has come up |
| 11:49:38 | ddalton | so what is wrong with v3. |
| 11:49:48 | GodEater | ddalton: READ the differences |
| 11:50:00 | ddalton | ok sorry... |
| 11:50:05 | petur | GodEater: why did you have the REP posted to the tracker? It has to be rejected there because it exists of too many different patches... |
| 11:50:10 | Llorean | wookey__: The idea is that manufacturers can use Rockbox, manufacturers have to share the code with us, we bypass the signature and let users install our version of Rockbox |
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| 11:50:30 | ddalton | could you tell me the main ones? |
| 11:50:43 | Llorean | wookey__: Exactly like we overcome preventions on other players, only in this case the manufacturer gives us all the hardware drivers, so all we have to do is figure out how to load code, rather than having to do that *then* write drivers. |
| 11:50:53 | GodEater | petur: I don't see why that matters ? |
| 11:50:53 | wookey__ | Llorean: OK. I understood 'bypassing the signature' to be non-trivial |
| 11:50:59 | Llorean | It is non-trivial |
| 11:51:02 | Llorean | VERY non-trivial |
| 11:51:07 | Llorean | But we have to do it with nearly every new port anyway |
| 11:51:19 | wookey__ | yes, I thought it was supposed to be imporssible, but apparently not |
| 11:51:21 | wookey__ | respect :-) |
| 11:51:30 | Llorean | It's just the first step, later steps can be equally hard, but a TIVO-ised target pretty much takes care of all later steps anyway |
| 11:51:43 | Llorean | Many signatures are difficult-to-impossible. |
| 11:51:57 | Llorean | But whether it's Rockbox or Proprietary Crap 01 behind that signature doesn't make it any more or less impossible. |
| 11:52:07 | wookey__ | OK. so you don;t actually like signed/closed firmware but you would like widespread adoption of rockbox |
| 11:52:12 | GodEater | petur: surely the code should be kept there, as it *is* a patch, regardless of whether it's rejected or not. It's the best place for it until someone can do the work on splitting it into seperate patches. |
| 11:52:18 | Llorean | Meanwhile if we ever *do* get past it, having Rockbox behind it makes everything else sooooo much easier. |
| 11:52:22 | GodEater | unless our policy on not posting patches in the forums has changed. |
| 11:52:45 | Llorean | wookey__: Exactly. "Rockbox 100% free > Rockbox + Signature > Proprietary + Signature" |
| 11:52:56 | Llorean | So I'd rather a mix of #1 and #2 than a mix of #1 and #3 |
| 11:52:57 | wookey__ | Llorean: seems a sensibile position to me, so you may want to stick with v2 |
| 11:53:06 | petur | GodEater: the REP is a bit of a problem child, it consists of various patches from the tracker and elsewhere... ah well... |
| 11:53:09 | GodEater | wookey__: ideally yes |
| 11:53:19 | GodEater | petur: well if you have a better suggestion then I'm open to it |
| 11:53:30 | GodEater | but I thought Llorean was dead against people posting patches in the forums |
| 11:53:44 | Llorean | REP is an exception |
| 11:53:51 | Llorean | I kinda silently grandfather claused it when I reorganized |
| 11:53:59 | GodEater | I shall go take back what I said then |
| 11:54:10 | GodEater | and apologise to the chap I made post in the tracker then |
| 11:54:14 | Llorean | It irks me every time I spot it, but I don't want to cause an uproar by stuffing it in the unsupported builds section and bringing down the hammer. |
| 11:54:29 | Llorean | I really, really, REALLY want it in the tracker, split up into individual patches, and committed as applicable though |
| 11:54:30 | Llorean | BADLY |
| 11:54:35 | petur | yes |
| 11:55:20 | petur | I'm looking at REC redesign so some of it can go into the code more easily, and then it can be dropped as special case |
| 11:55:33 | wookey__ | Personally I'd go for v3 and force manufactureres to go the whole hog if they want the benefits of rockbox, but then I've contributed zero code to this proj so far, so my opinion is of little interest :-) |
| 11:56:07 | wookey__ | Have any manfacturers shown any interest in it yet? |
| 11:56:18 | Llorean | wookey__: The problem is, if they have to go whole hog, most of them will opt out. We still are an order of magnitude more advanced, functionality wise, than just about any proprietary software, and a lot of our things are at least relatively trivial. |
| 11:56:47 | aliask | wookey__: Sort of... Sandisk sent two e200s to us to work with, but nothing more |
| 11:56:49 | Llorean | The fact that so few of these features (true gapless, for example) show up in proprietary software (or haven't until recently) shows that they know they can get by fine without it. |
| 11:56:58 | GodEater | wookey__: sandisk did once - and then backed off again |
| 11:56:58 | wookey__ | I suppose they get into problems with proprietary codecs they want to add |
| 11:58:25 | GodEater | more to do with DRM I'd imagine |
| 11:58:37 | wookey__ | GodEater: that's what I meant really |
| 11:58:41 | DefineByte | good thing drm is dying then |
| 11:59:05 | Llorean | DRM wouldn't even have to be a problem if it took a page from things like public key encryption. |
| 11:59:19 | wookey__ | DefineByte: is it? I was really hoping it would, but itunes success makes me wonder if the world is too dumb |
| 11:59:37 | Llorean | wookey__: you may have noticed iTunes is beginning the slippery slope of offering DRM free music... |
| 11:59:39 | GodEater | wookey__: did you not notice iTunes start selling non-DRM tracks ? |
| 11:59:40 | DefineByte | a lot of record labels seem to be testing the drm-free waters |
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| 11:59:55 | GodEater | wookey__: or have you been buried in sand for the last year ? :) |
| 11:59:58 | wookey__ | I didn;t no, I';ve never used it :-) |
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| 12:00:10 | DefineByte | nor have i but i know :) |
| 12:00:21 | wookey__ | I'm now to this whole 'music on the computer thing', having owned a player for exactly 3 days |
| 12:00:34 | wookey__ | new |
| 12:00:36 | GodEater | how on earth did you end up in here so fast then ? |
| 12:00:46 | DefineByte | good work man. |
| 12:01:14 | wookey__ | I only buy kit that can be free-softwared |
| 12:01:20 | * | petur needed almost half a year to discover rockbox |
| 12:01:29 | wookey__ | so I knew I wanted rockbox and chose a player accordingly |
| 12:01:35 | wookey__ | (with some great helpfrom this channel) |
| 12:01:47 | * | GodEater needed much longer than that |
| 12:02:10 | wookey__ | Sadly, not everyone thinks that way yet :-) |
| 12:02:16 | DefineByte | i've only ever owned a rockbox DAP but it took me a while to find out it existed |
| 12:03:04 | * | Llorean accidentally bought his DAP specifically for Rockbox |
| 12:03:27 | Llorean | I read two articles the same day, one on Rockbox for the Archoses, and one on the iRiver iHP-100 series. When I was at the store, the two merged in my mind. |
| 12:03:40 | Llorean | Rockbox on the H100 didn't happen for some time though, so I re-discovered Rockbox a while later. |
| 12:04:35 | DefineByte | i hung off buying a DAP because none of them did what I wanted then 'ooo, Rockbox looks neat'. |
| 12:04:41 | wookey__ | thanx for filling me in on your licencing thoughts - it's an area that interest me. I must go an ddo some work today... |
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| 12:05:34 | markun | linuxstb: could this be your code? http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-devel/2007-September/035230.html |
| 12:05:52 | markun | if so, I wonder if you are still the copyright holder |
| 12:08:27 | linuxstb | I noticed a very early version of that patch had removed my (C)... I'll need to check this patch. |
| 12:09:56 | | Quit phalax ("Bye... Folding.") |
| 12:10:17 | linuxstb | Well, it now says " * Copyright (c) 2007 Benjamin Zores <ben@geexbox.org> based upon libdemac from Dave Chapman." |
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| 12:11:33 | GodEater | cheeky moneky |
| 12:11:35 | GodEater | er |
| 12:11:36 | GodEater | monkey |
| 12:11:39 | GodEater | and pun intended too |
| 12:11:41 | GodEater | :) |
| 12:12:31 | linuxstb | And it's not just me - the range coding code is taken from another (GPL'd) implementation, and the (C) holder in that code has been wiped completely.... |
| 12:14:42 | GodEater | sue sue sue |
| 12:15:45 | linuxstb | Well, a polite email will probably do.... |
| 12:18:38 | GodEater | put my (C) back in or I'll hunt you down like a dog |
| 12:19:57 | bluebrother | was the original code LGPL? at least ape.c is LGPL ... |
| 12:20:00 | * | JdGordon back |
| 12:20:05 | JdGordon | did i miss anything non gpl related? |
| 12:20:34 | linuxstb | bluebrother: No... |
| 12:21:01 | bluebrother | I don't think GPL allows to relicense using LGPL, does it? |
| 12:21:18 | linuxstb | Definitely not. |
| 12:21:51 | bluebrother | so this looks like more than simply a stripped (c) to me :/ |
| 12:22:47 | JdGordon | anyone fancy making a script to go through the svn log and find every change to the (c) notices? |
| 12:23:28 | petur | all these different copyrights are the death of open source - they hinder moving forward at the same pace as closed source |
| 12:24:12 | linuxstb | petur: It's inevitable - different people have different views of what open source means, so they choose different licenses.... |
| 12:24:44 | petur | it's a big mess, that's what it is |
| 12:24:44 | bluebrother | if those people would at least respect the license of other projects ... :( |
| 12:24:56 | bluebrother | it is. |
| 12:25:03 | bluebrother | but it could be worse ;-) |
| 12:25:35 | JdGordon | linuxstb: (if you can remeber) can you tell me the just of sansapatcher? what it does at the higher level? |
| 12:25:48 | * | bluebrother out for lunch |
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| 12:27:00 | JdGordon | you didnt have to quit if you didnt want to answer :p |
| 12:27:46 | scorche` | linuxstb: PM |
| 12:27:59 | | Nick scorche` is now known as scorche (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 12:28:36 | linuxstb | JdGordon: An accidental ALT+LEFT in cgi::irc disconnected me... |
| 12:29:06 | JdGordon | sure... sure :D |
| 12:29:20 | maxkelley | i can't stand web irc clients. |
| 12:29:34 | maxkelley | console only, thank you :) |
| 12:30:07 | * | petur is so happy he found out he could use port 8000 and go through the firewall at work |
| 12:30:18 | linuxstb | sansapatcher modifies the firmware partition. The firmware partition contains two images - a bootloader (which we don't touch), and the main firmware image (mi4 format). sansapatcher moves the main firmware image further down the firmware partition (so the RB bootloader can load it), and inserts the RB bootloader mi4 image in its place. |
| 12:30:25 | JdGordon | linuxstb: how much of sansapatcher do you think would be able to be copied stright into e200rpatcher? is it just the io files which need reimlementing? (and the UI of course) |
| 12:30:47 | pondlife | rasher: Do you think we should delete all of the outdated Windows section from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceBuilding perhaps? I can't see this being resurrected now. |
| 12:31:05 | pondlife | It would still be in the wiki history, of course. |
| 12:32:18 | linuxstb | JdGordon: sansapatcher.c should be easy to port into your app - just replace the open/seek/read/write calls to ata_read_sectors and ata_write_sectors. |
| 12:33:07 | JdGordon | linuxstb: is the encryption stuff needed? |
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| 12:33:21 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Start by looking at main.c, and what functions that needs for the "add bootloader" function, and then copy/modify those functions from sansapatcher.c |
| 12:33:24 | SZGY | Hi |
| 12:33:32 | pixelma | bluebrother: got a manual question - I picked up work on the split editor chapter again and want to have a screenshot with a arrows and text layer above (similar to the player's drawings). The only way to do this is to use the "includegraphics" macro and try out until I find the right size or can you think of a more elegant way? |
| 12:33:56 | maxkelley | pixelma: my patches are on flyspray. |
| 12:34:03 | maxkelley | lemme get you the number, one sec. |
| 12:34:17 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I'm not sure. IIRC, sansapatcher decrypts the main firmware mi4 as it moves it, but I don't think that's required - the RB bootloader can also decrypt. But making sansapatcher do it would be preferable, to speed up booting. |
| 12:34:34 | pixelma | bluebrother: well, "above" in the sense of an overlay... |
| 12:35:25 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ok ta, my idiot friends are making me watch the soccer, so ill work on my laptop (no netwrok :( ) but ill be back with more questions eventually :) |
| 12:35:50 | maxkelley | pixelma: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7749?pagenum=32 (look at the comments for the full patch) |
| 12:36:19 | SZGY | I'd like to ask a small question about the Sansa e200 series. About the FM radio, namely. |
| 12:36:45 | maxkelley | Don't ask to ask, just ask :) |
| 12:36:57 | SZGY | With rockbox, is it possible to tune into stations that have even decimals? |
| 12:37:49 | maxkelley | I'm off to school, cheers. |
| 12:37:51 | GodEater | SZGY: just ask |
| 12:37:56 | pixelma | maxkelley: ok, will look into it and probably go on step by step |
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| 12:37:59 | GodEater | oops |
| 12:37:59 | markun | GodEater: he asked :) |
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| 12:38:06 | SZGY | hmm, this question may not be entirely correct... lemme give you an example instead.. for example, is it possible to tune to 96.4MHz? |
| 12:38:07 | GodEater | scroll buffer's fault :( |
| 12:38:10 | maxkelley | pixelma: thanks :) |
| 12:38:20 | ddalton | yes it should be |
| 12:38:24 | pondlife | SZGY: Yes, should be. I don't know the Sansa though |
| 12:38:35 | maxkelley | oop, actually, I got ready 20 minutes before I should have been. |
| 12:38:42 | pondlife | Most stations (here) are not on exact MHz boundaries ;) |
| 12:38:58 | ddalton | 101.9 works here. |
| 12:38:59 | maxkelley | pixelma: are you familiar with which graphics you have to tweak at all? |
| 12:39:03 | ddalton | if that helps |
| 12:39:16 | SZGY | The FM enabled Sansa is not available in Europe. I suspect it's because US stations always have an odd number after the decimal point. |
| 12:39:40 | pixelma | maxkelley: it can take a while to adapt all - I think I'll find out in the sim |
| 12:39:59 | maxkelley | pixelma: I have a list of ones that need tweaking, if you'd like. |
| 12:40:09 | B4gder | SZGY: wrong, there are FM-enabled sansa in europe |
| 12:40:14 | B4gder | sansas |
| 12:40:26 | B4gder | as was even recently discussed on the rockbox users list |
| 12:40:41 | SZGY | really? I thought the official page said "not available in Europe" |
| 12:41:03 | B4gder | stores in europe sell them, that's all I know |
| 12:41:48 | SZGY | well, yeah.. they sell them here too, but those are probably grey imports |
| 12:42:14 | B4gder | perhaps, but that doesn't change the fact that they are available and sold |
| 12:42:14 | SZGY | I'd only like to know whether it's worth spending the extra money on. |
| 12:42:20 | pixelma | maxkelley: if you don't excluded them in SOURCES, I will probably see when compiling fails... |
| 12:42:34 | pixelma | er... didn't exclude |
| 12:42:57 | SZGY | if the tuner hardware cannot be programmed to tune into stations that end in even numbers then it's not really useful... |
| 12:43:12 | GodEater | SZGY: amazon.co.uk sells the radio version - I doubt that's a grey import very much indeed |
| 12:43:30 | B4gder | it can tune in to even numbers in Rockbox at least |
| 12:43:37 | maxkelley | pixelma: I actually included lines for the c200 in sources :) |
| 12:43:46 | SZGY | ah thanks, that's all I wanted to know :) |
| 12:43:51 | Llorean | SZGY: On my Sansa it allows .05 frequency adjustments |
| 12:43:53 | maxkelley | they all compile, it's just a matter of which actually work on the screen :) |
| 12:44:04 | SZGY | Llorean: ah cool |
| 12:44:24 | maxkelley | ok, school.. bbl. |
| 12:44:32 | SZGY | I'll get the radio version then I guess |
| 12:47:44 | DefineByte | can the radio in Rockbox auto-tune? |
| 12:49:15 | Llorean | DefineByte: We can scan frequencies, but how well that works varies from player to player I believe |
| 12:49:52 | DefineByte | thanks. the sansa is getting very tempting to me. |
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| 12:54:42 | JdGordon | hey barrywardell |
| 12:54:44 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 12:54:47 | JdGordon | your on osx right? |
| 12:54:48 | barrywardell | hey |
| 12:54:52 | barrywardell | yes |
| 12:54:57 | barrywardell | intel osx |
| 12:55:04 | JdGordon | do you know if libusb works fine on it? |
| 12:55:23 | JdGordon | .. or would you be able to test the e200rpatcher with your sansa and make sure it works? |
| 12:55:28 | barrywardell | I think so. I've used e200tool before |
| 12:55:34 | barrywardell | I'll test it, sure |
| 12:55:38 | barrywardell | instructions? |
| 12:55:47 | JdGordon | its a bit of a pita to do |
| 12:56:35 | JdGordon | compile for the e200, but instead of bootloader, do Installer, then copy the bootloader/bootloader.bin into rbuitl/e200rpatcher and run make there |
| 12:56:37 | barrywardell | that's ok, i have some spare time now |
| 12:56:52 | DefineByte | As a test i modified english.lang to display 'Show Metadata' instead of 'Show ID3 Info' I run the sim and when I play a music file I get an error saying _temp_codec0.dll is not a valid Windows image. Any ideas? |
| 12:57:00 | JdGordon | then put the sansa in manufac mode and run e200rpatcher |
| 12:57:20 | JdGordon | it wont write anything to the sansa unless you have the r firmware om |
| 12:57:26 | barrywardell | compile for e200, not e200r? |
| 12:57:56 | JdGordon | either, doesnt matter |
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| 12:58:07 | ddalton | did it say that before? |
| 12:58:24 | Llorean | DefineByte: Did you install with "make install" or did you try extracting a build for a player? |
| 12:58:37 | barrywardell | ok, not didn't see that before |
| 12:58:40 | DefineByte | extracting |
| 12:59:12 | ddalton | what is the error again? |
| 12:59:27 | barrywardell | hmmm. compiling fails |
| 12:59:38 | barrywardell | libusb isn't installed on my mac |
| 12:59:50 | barrywardell | I think I had to use darwinports to install it last time |
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| 13:01:13 | Buschel | jdgordon: just saw you're online. regarding the scroll-acceleration for iPODs: are there any iPODs wihch do not use button-wheelclick? |
| 13:01:22 | DefineByte | 'the application or DLL c:rockbox\devbla...\archos\_temp_codec0.dll is not a valid Windows image. please check this against your installation diskette (diskette? chuckles)) |
| 13:01:25 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Could libusb be linked statically with e200rpatcher on the Mac? |
| 13:01:34 | JdGordon | Buschel: yeah, dunno which though |
| 13:01:41 | * | JdGordon will be back later |
| 13:01:53 | Llorean | DefineByte: Extracting can't work. |
| 13:01:54 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I'll try. I've just installed it now... |
| 13:01:55 | DefineByte | that should be c:\rockbox, obviously |
| 13:02:07 | Llorean | DefineByte: The binaries are compiled for the player, you can't use them in windows. You ahve to compile a windows sim. |
| 13:02:28 | DefineByte | oh, thanks. >.< |
| 13:03:08 | amiconn | Buschel: yes. button-clickwheel is used by 4th gen (greyscale & colour), mini 2nd gen, nano and video |
| 13:03:35 | amiconn | mini 1st gen has its own driver, and 1st..3rd gen also have a different driver |
| 13:05:44 | * | amiconn needed a full year until he discovered rockbox - for his 1st dap |
| 13:06:01 | DefineByte | the pain |
| 13:06:35 | * | B4gder was involved in the project that later became Rockbox for months before he got a DAP... |
| 13:06:36 | Buschel | amiconn: so I shall not enable it for config-ipod1g2g, -ipod3g and -ipodmini. all other are valid? |
| 13:07:10 | amiconn | All others are valid, yes. I'd want to see it implemented for all ipods though if it works well |
| 13:07:23 | * | Buschel bought an iPOD just for rockboxing it to have mpc-playback :o) |
| 13:07:25 | linuxstb | barrywardell: This mailing list thread shows someone successfully statically linking libusb - http://lists.apple.com/archives/Unix-porting/2004/Aug/msg00031.html |
| 13:07:48 | amiconn | The other 10 targets I got espcially for rockbox hacking... |
| 13:08:09 | Buschel | amiconn: at least it works fine on video and nano |
| 13:08:43 | DefineByte | I got a DAP only because Rockbox supported crossfeed and ReplayGain. |
| 13:09:05 | preglow | crossfade, you mean? |
| 13:09:21 | amiconn | Hehe, 2 features I don't use at all |
| 13:09:38 | DefineByte | no, crossfeed |
| 13:09:41 | barrywardell | JdGordon: here's the result: http://pastebin.ca/691748 |
| 13:09:50 | B4gder | I got involved because the hitmen said they'd break my knee caps if I didn't |
| 13:09:55 | preglow | i almost never use crossfeed either, and i bloody coded it |
| 13:10:04 | DefineByte | ^^ |
| 13:10:05 | markun | preglow: I use it all the time :) |
| 13:10:17 | DefineByte | i find a lot of tracks unlistenable without it |
| 13:10:19 | markun | actually I could use it in mpegplayer as well |
| 13:10:20 | preglow | i don't listen to too much music that would benefit from it these days |
| 13:10:22 | barrywardell | linuxstb: thanks. |
| 13:10:28 | preglow | that'll turn around soon anyway |
| 13:10:28 | markun | DefineByte: same here |
| 13:10:52 | preglow | replaygain i've almost never used |
| 13:11:10 | markun | I use replaygain for all my music |
| 13:11:11 | preglow | my reason for going rockbox at all was because of codecs and gapless playback |
| 13:11:21 | preglow | but rockbox didn't even work on h120 when i joined in... |
| 13:11:35 | preglow | oh, and being able to code dsp stuff :> |
| 13:11:49 | DefineByte | ah, I forgot gapless. yeah, that's essential too |
| 13:12:06 | * | B4gder recalls the mails on the mailing list saying we couldn't port rockbox to swcodec because of how it works... |
| 13:12:13 | barrywardell | linuxstb: does my result look ok? it doesn't seem good to me |
| 13:12:20 | markun | I remember how HCl was the first one after LinusN to try the rockbox bootloader for the H120 :) |
| 13:12:24 | scorche | anyone who has ever used the archos OF knows why i would go to rockbox... |
| 13:12:29 | B4gder | hehe |
| 13:12:33 | B4gder | a dying breed that |
| 13:13:15 | * | webmind started with rockbox because he had an archos |
| 13:13:23 | markun | today I read about someone loving his Gigabeat, but without rockbox because it was too ugly :) |
| 13:13:31 | preglow | i was somewhere from the second to the fourth in line with flashing |
| 13:13:35 | webmind | I might have actually bought the archos because of rockbox, I know I did with my ipod nano |
| 13:14:08 | * | Llorean can't imagine valuing "pretty" so much as to stick with the Gigabeat firmware for it. |
| 13:15:10 | scorche | sadly, my dad still prefers the archos OF... |
| 13:15:30 | markun | Llorean: indeed, crazy people.. |
| 13:16:38 | amiconn | scorche: weird. |
| 13:16:45 | markun | Llorean: maybe we should add blinking dots to the WPS screen to make him happy |
| 13:17:56 | scorche | amiconn: i brought his reasoning up before...with large, unorganized folders of music, it seems it takes in excess of 2-3 seconds between songs (it is likely the disk just spinning up), but the OF doesnt seem to do that, so he stays with that |
| 13:17:59 | JdGordon | barrywardell: nuts, I guess the sansa didnt start the uploaded app also? |
| 13:18:11 | scorche | that is, skipping songs |
| 13:18:41 | DefineByte | the wps already has blinking dots |
| 13:19:04 | DefineByte | optionally/ |
| 13:19:15 | amiconn | Skipping songs does definitely have a delay in the OF as well. |
| 13:19:25 | amiconn | ...because of the spinup |
| 13:19:54 | Llorean | amiconn: Maybe the OF reserves some buffer for the start of the next song, even if the current doesn't fit the buffer? |
| 13:19:56 | amiconn | And the OF is sooo ciumbersome to use I'd never go back. Adjusting volume needs a dozes clicks through the menu... |
| 13:20:03 | * | Llorean has never used it. |
| 13:20:04 | scorche | he has shown me, and it seems to be much less...hold on...i think i have his device right here |
| 13:20:10 | scorche | amiconn: aye, but that is us...not him |
| 13:20:20 | amiconn | Llorean: Reserve extra buffer from a total of 2MB?? Certainly not |
| 13:20:33 | amiconn | OF doesn't even have proper resume |
| 13:20:40 | Llorean | amiconn: 3-5 seconds of audio can't take up too much, and OFs have done crazier things. |
| 13:20:55 | * | Llorean cries at how often his disk spins on the Gigabeat S. |
| 13:21:14 | Llorean | I'm beginning to think I can't look in its direction without triggering a spinup for something. |
| 13:21:47 | GodEater | your S arrived already ? |
| 13:22:16 | Llorean | Yeah, got it a while ago |
| 13:22:51 | amiconn | Llorean: That would be 70..120KB with typical 192kpbs mp3. |
| 13:23:38 | amiconn | And the OF runs from ram |
| 13:23:52 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Were you root? |
| 13:23:57 | B4gder | I remember people doing measurements on how often the archos OF spins up, and thus an estimated ram buffer size |
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| 13:24:06 | B4gder | but I can't remember any numbers |
| 13:25:14 | GodEater | Llorean: and what do you think of it besides the disk spinning up too often ? :) |
| 13:26:18 | barrywardell | JdGordon: how can I tell? nothing appears on my sansa's lcd |
| 13:26:18 | scorche | Llorean: does it lag on menu transitions a bit?...i seem to remember aliask's doing that before i sent it to him |
| 13:26:21 | Llorean | The controls are somewhat... difficult |
| 13:26:31 | Llorean | scorche: At times, I think it coincides with a spinup |
| 13:26:33 | * | Llorean will brb |
| 13:27:54 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Also, you could add some debugging info to the while() loop to see how much (if any) data gets transferred. |
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| 13:29:29 | JdGordon | barrywardell: then nothing happened, at least you got further than windows |
| 13:29:32 | SZGY | well, thank you for your help.. see ya later |
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| 13:38:11 | tictoc | the music folder occasionally disappears |
| 13:38:38 | tictoc | it goes hidden, i mean |
| 13:39:18 | Llorean | tictoc: If you're on a Sansa, the original firmware does this when you boot it |
| 13:39:54 | tictoc | i am on the sansa, thanks for the info |
| 13:40:58 | B4gder | so just rename it and stop using the OF ;-) |
| 13:41:24 | tictoc | sweet |
| 13:42:35 | linuxstb | barrywardell_: Did you see my questions? |
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| 14:15:30 | bluebrother | pixelma: a way to do such kind of overlay would be to create a tricks file −− check xfig's export options |
| 14:16:01 | bluebrother | but I haven't worked with that myself so my knowledge is limited. I know it's possible −− you enter the text as "special" in xfig and export to two files |
| 14:16:10 | bluebrother | and then the text itself gets rendered by latex |
| 14:24:35 | pixelma | hmm... not sure if this is what I'm looking for, will google around a bit. |
| 14:25:12 | Buschel | hmm how to get an "ü" displayed via .lang-file? |
| 14:25:54 | B4gder | utf8-encoded |
| 14:27:26 | Buschel | ok, got it |
| 14:31:54 | pixelma | bluebrother: basically it should just be a screenshot with lines and text at the side like in the player's drawings |
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| 14:53:52 | GodEater | Buschel: has your patch for the ipod scrollwheel got much more that needs doing to it ? |
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| 14:55:45 | GodEater | Febs, I commented on that silly NeoGeo emu request again |
| 14:56:16 | idnar | Neo Geo emulator? bwahahaha |
| 14:56:38 | B4gder | yeah, ain't that something? ;-) |
| 14:57:10 | * | petur wonders how long before the first xbox or PS emu request comes in |
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| 14:57:18 | B4gder | wii! |
| 14:57:45 | hcs | Someone needs to yell "WE DINNAE HAVE THE POWER!" |
| 14:58:07 | B4gder | hcs: and the response then is... "but I hear the ipod has TWO CPUS!!!!1!!!" ;-) |
| 14:58:15 | GodEater | hcs: I already did - apparently the ipod is more than powerful enough |
| 14:58:32 | B4gder | and then some mumbo about neogeo running on a 12mhz 68000 |
| 14:58:38 | * | linuxstb mentions the gigabeats... |
| 14:58:50 | GodEater | linuxstb: probably still not up to it |
| 14:58:51 | B4gder | "display 4,096 colors and 380 individual sprites onscreen simultaneously, while the onboard Yamaha 2610 sound chip gave the system 15 channels of sound with seven channels reserved specifically for digital sound effects." |
| 14:59:07 | B4gder | gigabeat that |
| 14:59:16 | GodEater | the code which came with the feature request is for the PSP - which iiuc is still faster than a gigabeat |
| 14:59:27 | gammy | wait what. |
| 14:59:29 | GodEater | perhaps the gigabeat S |
| 14:59:29 | hcs | GodEater: oh, with the accent and everything? |
| 14:59:39 | GodEater | hcs: damn! that's what I failed to do! |
| 14:59:44 | gammy | GodEater: rockbox? psp? Hurr? |
| 14:59:52 | Llorean | GodEater: No, the PSP is a mere 333, only barely faster (not counting being engineered for gaming) |
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| 15:00:11 | GodEater | Llorean: faster is still faster :) |
| 15:00:15 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 15:00:18 | GodEater | even if only by 33Mhz |
| 15:00:25 | GodEater | plus it has enough buttons |
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| 15:00:30 | * | jbit wonders when MHz measured performance |
| 15:00:31 | GodEater | which the iPod REALLY doesn't |
| 15:00:33 | Llorean | But honestly, I get the impression a lot of PSP "apps" don't see too much in the way of hardcore optimization. |
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| 15:00:46 | gammy | They don't. |
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| 15:01:00 | gammy | Most programs are just pieces of code cut and pasted from examples. |
| 15:01:04 | Llorean | jbit: When it's the only basis of comparison you have without actual benchmarks. |
| 15:01:24 | GodEater | I don't even know what the PSP's architecture is |
| 15:01:32 | jbit | Llorean: even then it's still rubbish :) |
| 15:01:39 | jbit | it's a mips64 complete with fpu and vfpu |
| 15:01:40 | Llorean | A voice in my head is saying the PSP is ARM. |
| 15:01:44 | GodEater | jbit: you have a better comparison ? |
| 15:01:45 | gammy | MIPS R4000 I think |
| 15:01:52 | GodEater | I had a feeling it was MIPS too |
| 15:02:04 | Llorean | Alright then |
| 15:02:04 | markun | gammy: copy&paste rules :) |
| 15:02:22 | gammy | markun: Heh |
| 15:02:33 | gammy | It's very hard to contact PSP devvers |
| 15:02:34 | B4gder | "32-bit MIPS32 R4k-based CPU, a Floating Point Unit, and a Vector Floating Point Unit." |
| 15:02:34 | jbit | GodEater: getting offtopic ish, but if i don't have an accurate comparison i wouldn't make statements like "only barely faster" |
| 15:02:37 | jbit | :) |
| 15:02:42 | gammy | most "authors" don't know what they've done. |
| 15:02:57 | gammy | and the forums are just flooded with 12-year olds who want free games. |
| 15:03:06 | GodEater | gigabeat? fpu ? |
| 15:03:11 | B4gder | "Additionally, there is a processor block known as "Media Engine" that contains another 32-bit MIPS32 R4k-base CPU, hardware for multimedia decoding (such as H.264), " |
| 15:03:23 | B4gder | sounds like a good machine to emulate... |
| 15:03:28 | B4gder | *g* |
| 15:03:37 | B4gder | (quotes from wikipedia btw) |
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| 15:03:47 | GodEater | B4gder: yeah, why emulate a NeoGeo, why not just emulate a PSP ? :) |
| 15:04:01 | Llorean | Then once the PSP is emulated, we can just run all those emulators it's already got |
| 15:04:04 | GodEater | because then someone's already written the NeoGeo emulator |
| 15:04:05 | GodEater | :) |
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| 15:04:11 | GodEater | Llorean beat me to it! |
| 15:05:31 | * | GodEater can't possibly understand how brarei managed to get banned in the iPL forums |
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| 15:09:59 | markun | GodEater: who's that? |
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| 15:11:39 | GodEater | the guy who keeps telling us in both feature requests, and in the forums, about how powerful the iPod is, and how it's suitable for all sorts of things we tell him it isn't suited for |
| 15:11:58 | GodEater | see the NeoGeo discussion above |
| 15:13:40 | GodEater | he's also fairly rude |
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| 15:17:13 | * | amiconn doesn't really understand what's so silly about a neogeo emulator request |
| 15:18:29 | GodEater | amiconn: the controls for a start ? |
| 15:18:42 | GodEater | four directions plus four action buttons |
| 15:19:14 | linuxstb | The Gigabeat F has that, and the S has even more buttons... |
| 15:19:32 | amiconn | Irivers also have that |
| 15:19:46 | GodEater | the request was for an ipod though |
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| 15:20:57 | Llorean | The request was specific about it being for the iPod 5G. |
| 15:21:10 | Llorean | The Gigabeat has more buttons than nearly any game system if you include the remote. |
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| 15:21:24 | B4gder | either way, I doubt neogeo can be emulated nicely on any of the targets |
| 15:21:51 | B4gder | there are three cpus, and an advanced graphic chipset |
| 15:23:43 | * | Febs wonders why so many people focuses on porting games to the iPod rather than porting Rockbox to a game system. |
| 15:24:07 | B4gder | because these guys are talkers |
| 15:24:20 | B4gder | they don't do, they just talk about what others can do |
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| 15:36:55 | amiconn | B4gder: I'd say it depends. In fact I would think uae could be ported to rockbox, and it has similar requirements as the neogeo |
| 15:37:11 | amiconn | (for emulating an A500, that is) |
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| 15:41:20 | linuxstb | amiconn: On which targets? |
| 15:42:10 | amiconn | Coldfire targets and gigabeat |
| 15:45:08 | barrywardell | linuxstb, JdGordon: sorry. got distracted by real life |
| 15:45:15 | JdGordon | hey |
| 15:45:20 | barrywardell | I added debug printf's |
| 15:45:21 | JdGordon | good timing, just got back from the casino |
| 15:45:25 | barrywardell | but now it works! |
| 15:45:31 | barrywardell | upload complete |
| 15:45:39 | JdGordon | does the sansa do anything though? |
| 15:45:44 | barrywardell | yup |
| 15:45:47 | JdGordon | awesome |
| 15:45:55 | barrywardell | Unknown bootloader... aborted |
| 15:46:03 | JdGordon | good :) |
| 15:46:11 | JdGordon | .. unless youve got the r firmware on it |
| 15:46:18 | barrywardell | nope, regular e200 |
| 15:46:31 | linuxstb | Does it work if you remove the debugs? |
| 15:46:39 | barrywardell | i'll try now |
| 15:47:11 | barrywardell | yes |
| 15:47:26 | barrywardell | I think I might just have not waited long enough for manufacturing mode to start |
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| 15:52:50 | JdGordon | ok cool... so we just need someone with a clue and windows :p |
| 15:53:07 | * | JdGordon prods amiconn to please please make a statr on viewports... |
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| 15:55:59 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Did you compile statically? |
| 15:56:13 | barrywardell | no, I'm trying to figure out how to do that now... |
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| 16:13:41 | JdGordon | for anyone that cares... I probably wont be around untill saturday night my time, so if someone feels inclinded to porting the sansapatcher to something the installer can run feel free :) |
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| 16:15:20 | fdx | Hi |
| 16:16:55 | fdx | can i apply rockbox to my s1mp4 (iPod clone)? |
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| 16:17:13 | JdGordon | is it listed on the frontpage? |
| 16:17:21 | GodEater | fdx - no you can't |
| 16:17:50 | fdx | hmm |
| 16:18:14 | fdx | but it's a target, isn't it? |
| 16:18:18 | GodEater | no it's not |
| 16:18:27 | GodEater | fdx: http://www.s1mp3.org/en/ <−− this might be of interest |
| 16:18:34 | fdx | ok |
| 16:18:35 | fdx | thx |
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| 16:19:42 | GodEater | fdx: out of interest, what makes you think it's a target we support ? |
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| 16:22:43 | fdx | GodEater: Sorry, I don't understand, because I'm German. I thought that s1mp3 is a target because the firmware is easily to hack or edit. |
| 16:23:45 | B4gder | fdx: easy yes, fun no |
| 16:23:56 | fdx | why? |
| 16:24:18 | B4gder | underpowered, weird architecture with little memory |
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| 16:24:33 | B4gder | and no gcc |
| 16:24:35 | GodEater | B4gder: sounds like something amiconn would like then :) |
| 16:24:46 | GodEater | ah - though the lack of gcc is big minus |
| 16:25:51 | fdx | B4gder: that's right. i saw the informations of hardware |
| 16:26:24 | fdx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S1_MP3_Player |
| 16:26:35 | B4gder | yeps, this is not a new topic for us |
| 16:26:55 | pondlife | GodEater: What did you do to upset Ohloh? http://www.ohloh.net/kudo_ranks?h=8066 is rather scary. |
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| 16:27:49 | GodEater | pondlife: I think it's because I'm not a commiter |
| 16:27:54 | GodEater | this is the theory anyway |
| 16:28:03 | ashridah | hey. the sansa sandisk player that's mentioned on http://www.zazz.com.au/ is the e250. how related is that to the e200 that rockbox supports? |
| 16:28:13 | pondlife | GodEater: Looks like a bug to me... |
| 16:28:21 | GodEater | pondlife: perhaps |
| 16:28:34 | GodEater | ashridah: e250 is an e200 series, so yes, it's rockboxable |
| 16:28:47 | ashridah | hm. might order myself one |
| 16:28:49 | pondlife | Moving down 51556 places in one day... |
| 16:28:54 | fdx | at least my firmware looks like iPod firmware |
| 16:29:03 | ashridah | just not sure if it'll arrive in time for me to fly out to america :S |
| 16:29:16 | GodEater | pondlife: I just need to convince B4gder to give me commit access - do some work on the manuals, and I'll get it all back again. I'm convinced ;) |
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| 16:31:13 | fdx | cya |
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| 16:32:18 | JdGordon | bed time, cya in a few days |
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| 16:33:20 | GodEater | <fdx> at least my firmware looks like iPod firmware <−− was this supposed to upset us, or was he just stating a fact ? |
| 16:33:52 | GodEater | pondlife: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lincolnshire/6988927.stm |
| 16:34:06 | ashridah | GodEater: it sounds patent infringing |
| 16:34:35 | GodEater | ashridah: like companies in china care... |
| 16:37:21 | pondlife | Mmm, Little Chef... |
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| 16:41:35 | ashridah | personally, i don't really see what's so great about ipod's appearance. the only thing it has going for it are nice fonts. the rest is pretty crappy |
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| 16:48:16 | fdx | <GodEater> <fdx> at least my firmware looks like iPod firmware <−− was this supposed to upset us, or was he just stating a fact ? <<=== I don't want to upset you. |
| 16:48:59 | fdx | I like the style of iPod |
| 16:50:53 | Buschel | jhMikeS: you're here? |
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| 16:52:51 | jhMikeS | yeah. are you going to be around? I have to go pick up a cabinet and should be back in an hour or two. |
| 16:54:29 | Buschel | good. I'll be there. Just a short idea ragrding your last post: The accumulators are nullified after timeout. So, changing context will lead to nullification of summed up wheelticks. Either we could just nullify the ticks on all other button events. |
| 16:54:42 | * | linuxstb wonders what fdx meant by "my firmware". |
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| 16:55:44 | ashridah | ah well |
| 16:55:58 | ashridah | if any rockbox people in/near australia wants a sansa e250. i suggest they hit up zazz now |
| 16:56:00 | barrywardell | linuxstb: hmm. it looks like it's not possible/easy to statically link:http://developer.apple.com/qa/qa2001/qa1118.html |
| 16:56:20 | ashridah | shipping outside australia is likely towind up more expensive than retail tho |
| 16:57:25 | linuxstb | barrywardell: But that shouldn't stop linking statically with a non-Apple library? |
| 16:58:04 | linuxstb | barrywardell: BTW, do you know a command similar to the Linux ldd to find all libraries required by an executable? |
| 16:58:34 | barrywardell | yeah, there must be a way |
| 16:58:46 | barrywardell | otool -L appname |
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| 16:59:13 | linuxstb | Which version of libusb are you working with? |
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| 17:01:31 | barrywardell | 0.1.4.4.4 |
| 17:01:40 | barrywardell | the version that macports installs |
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| 17:03:31 | linuxstb | You didn't try downloading the source, and doing the usual ./configure && make ? |
| 17:04:10 | barrywardell | exactly what I'm doing now :) |
| 17:06:01 | linuxstb | I don't have access to my Mac at the moment, but doing it on Linux gives me a libusb.a |
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| 17:10:21 | barrywardell | I have a libusb.a, but it doesn't work |
| 17:10:28 | barrywardell | I still et Undefined symbols |
| 17:15:57 | linuxstb | How are you compiling? |
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| 17:18:17 | barrywardell | just added the directories to LIBS and running gmake |
| 17:20:12 | linuxstb | This worked on Linux - gcc -Wall -W -o e200rpatcher e200rpatcher.c bootimg.c -I. libusb.a |
| 17:20:23 | linuxstb | (copying usb.h and libusb.a into the e200rpatcher directory) |
| 17:23:51 | barrywardell | that gives me loads more undefined symbols |
| 17:24:04 | linuxstb | That exact command? |
| 17:24:10 | barrywardell | yes |
| 17:24:35 | barrywardell | http://pastebin.ca/692101 |
| 17:24:45 | barrywardell | it looks like system stuff |
| 17:24:58 | linuxstb | Ah, you probably need a -framework option... |
| 17:25:21 | linuxstb | I _think_ it's something like -framework iokit and -framework coreservices |
| 17:26:33 | barrywardell | yup, that worked :) |
| 17:26:52 | linuxstb | ;) |
| 17:27:23 | barrywardell | success, it works with my sansa too |
| 17:28:09 | barrywardell | this was the command I used: gcc -framework iokit -framework coreservices -Wall -W -o e200rpatcher e200rpatcher.c bootimg.c -I. libusb.a |
| 17:28:29 | linuxstb | Now build a universal binary... |
| 17:28:59 | barrywardell | I have to build libusb for ppc first... |
| 17:29:09 | linuxstb | You have an intel Mac? |
| 17:29:16 | barrywardell | yes |
| 17:29:24 | barrywardell | but have access to a ppc one too |
| 17:29:30 | linuxstb | I have a PPC one... |
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| 17:31:09 | linuxstb | Now all we need is a Windows hacker to get libusb (or native usb) working there... |
| 17:31:41 | linuxstb | Although from what little I've read, it seems Windows doesn't allow apps to do direct USB communication without going through a driver. I could be wrong though... |
| 17:32:11 | barrywardell | can you make a ppc binary? I don't have a ppc mac handy right now |
| 17:32:17 | Domonoky | the win32 port of libusb doesnt work ? |
| 17:32:20 | Jimmie | Good day sirs. I am considering using Rockbox on my iPod mini, but I'd like to know if the songs that I already have on my iPod (on the original firmware i might add) will play properly, or if I will need to re-upload them to a different folder? (I'm asking because iplinux had real problems playing tunes that were compatable with the iPod firmware...) |
| 17:32:34 | linuxstb | barrywardell: No, my iBook is at home (and I'm not). |
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| 17:32:51 | th30 | hello |
| 17:32:59 | linuxstb | barrywardell: But there's no rush - at least we know we can build e200rpatcher when the time comes to release it. |
| 17:33:08 | th30 | is there anyone who can help me with a video problem? |
| 17:33:39 | Domonoky | Jimmie: if the files are not DRM protected, rockbox will play them.. |
| 17:33:40 | barrywardell | linuxstb: ok. I'll make the compiled version available for anyone that needs it |
| 17:33:40 | linuxstb | Jimmie: As long as they are not encrypted (i.e. bought from the ITMS), they should play in Rockbox. |
| 17:33:48 | Jimmie | Lovely! |
| 17:34:07 | Jimmie | Also, while I'm here, does using rockbox impact battery life at all? :o |
| 17:34:17 | Jimmie | Like, more than the original firmware >_> |
| 17:34:25 | Jimmie | Otherwise I'll have to do some tests ^^ |
| 17:35:01 | linuxstb | Unfortunately yes, on most other devices, Rockbox uses less power than the original firmware, but on the newer ipods (including mini), it uses significantly more. |
| 17:35:21 | Jimmie | ah |
| 17:35:37 | th30 | why can i not play videos on my nano? |
| 17:35:44 | Jimmie | oh well, i'll give it a shot |
| 17:36:13 | Jimmie | th30 i believe the ipod linux guys were working on something that woudld play videos for all iPod types (even mini/1st gen iPods) |
| 17:36:14 | linuxstb | th30: Have you read the PluginMpegplayer wiki page and followed the instructions there to convert them? Can you play the Elephants Dream sample video? |
| 17:36:29 | Jimmie | Not really been paying attention to them though |
| 17:36:43 | th30 | i will try |
| 17:36:44 | th30 | thanks |
| 17:36:46 | th30 | brb |
| 17:39:01 | barrywardell | linuxstb: http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/e200rpatcher-i386 |
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| 17:41:42 | linuxstb | Thanks. Which version of libusb was that? |
| 17:42:19 | th30 | btw what program do you use to open wps files? |
| 17:42:29 | linuxstb | So we should be able to at least incorporate this into rbutilqt for the Linux and Mac versions. |
| 17:42:57 | linuxstb | th30: Your favourite text editor. e.g. notepad if that's all you have. |
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| 17:44:01 | barrywardell | version 0.1.12 |
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| 17:44:20 | barrywardell | and here's the change I had to make to the makefile:http://pastebin.ca/692130 |
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| 17:44:45 | barrywardell | with usb.h and libusb.a in the e200rpatcher dir |
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| 17:55:54 | syn4pse | Is it possible to change the FONT_UI size to 6pt? I'm trying to get to 80 columns and I only have 52. |
| 17:56:52 | n1s | syn4pse: you can use a smaller font |
| 17:58:30 | syn4pse | how could I call that from my_plugin.c? it looks like I might have to use 5pt. ugh. |
| 17:59:14 | syn4pse | sorry for the lame question. I have been scouring the net for the answer but I can't find it for some reason. |
| 17:59:39 | n1s | syn4pse: my bet is no the font_load() function :-) |
| 17:59:47 | n1s | s/no/on |
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| 18:00:43 | syn4pse | okay :D thanks! so, are there any 5pt fonts? I'm pretty new at this, and banging around with c++. |
| 18:01:12 | syn4pse | like a true_type? would that be a rb->font_load? |
| 18:01:59 | syn4pse | i've been porting an ncurses program and it's been a nightmare. but I have stuff on screen now. |
| 18:02:02 | n1s | syn4pse: plugin.h lists all functions in the plugin api with the arguments that they take |
| 18:02:06 | * | pixelma tries to imagine a plugin with 80 columns of characters on the 112 pixel wide archos displays... |
| 18:02:18 | syn4pse | yeah, tell me about it. |
| 18:02:40 | n1s | syn4pse: Tiny-Prop-5 is probably the only 5p font we have |
| 18:02:47 | syn4pse | I have an ipod video. it's going to be barely legible. |
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| 18:04:30 | n1s | pixelma: now that's a challenge :-) |
| 18:04:48 | syn4pse | thank you very much for your help! |
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| 18:06:01 | pixelma | syn4pse: what shall your program do? Can't you make it scroll horiontally? |
| 18:06:41 | pixelma | *horizontally |
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| 18:08:49 | syn4pse | pixelma: i'm trying to emulate a 80x2 terminal ncurses window. I'm very close on the ncurses part. The window size is my problem. It's mostly graphical, | and / and _ characters. |
| 18:10:16 | syn4pse | now, i'm thinking that a radical change is necessary, like splitting the visible window into two parts (one is the maze, one is the map) and flipping the view on a button press. |
| 18:10:40 | syn4pse | 80x2 = 80x24 |
| 18:11:28 | syn4pse | 5pt is going to be so super-tiny |
| 18:13:23 | syn4pse | seriously, thanks for listening. I guess that's what I'll do. Too bad that I'm really just learning c++ and pointers still are tough for me. |
| 18:13:42 | syn4pse | I need the practice. see you all later... |
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| 18:21:08 | * | bluebrother wonders why nobody pointed out that c++ is not the same as c ... |
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| 18:22:46 | pixelma | because he already left when I wanted to tell... |
| 18:24:11 | pixelma | bluebrother: looks like xfig could do the trick, now I only have to find out how to work with it (and how to use it under cygwin :\ ) |
| 18:24:11 | bluebrother | ;-) |
| 18:24:37 | bluebrother | pixelma: I thought about it a bit −− might give troubles for the html manual :/ |
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| 18:25:33 | pixelma | ah, ok. Back to the have it in the png plan then? |
| 18:25:47 | bluebrother | I don't know a better solution for now. |
| 18:26:40 | bluebrother | but you could try using xfig −− maybe htlatex is smart enough to handle it correctly. I just doubt it. |
| 18:28:15 | pixelma | and the "includegraphics" makro is my only chance? It's just that it looks like a "dirty" solution if the basis is a screenshot. |
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| 18:29:01 | bluebrother | includegraphics just includes an image −− see the documentation of the graphicx package |
| 18:29:23 | pixelma | I know |
| 18:34:39 | pixelma | but "screenshot" obviously doesn't work because the explained version is bigger than the usual screenshot |
| 18:36:57 | Chronon | pixelma, bluebrother: mind if I ask why you're discussing \includegraphics? |
| 18:39:06 | bluebrother | Chronon: not at all |
| 18:39:29 | bluebrother | pixelma wants to add descriptions to a screenshot similar to the device button description. |
| 18:39:40 | pixelma | Chronon: I'm working on the split editor chapter for the manual and want to use a screenshot (usual screenshot size) but with arrows and text that explains it |
| 18:40:05 | Chronon | text overlaid on the screenshot or a caption? |
| 18:40:12 | bluebrother | it's possible to overlay an image with text, but I don't think that would work with the html version of the manual |
| 18:42:20 | pixelma | the old manual (2.4 I believe) used a screenshot that had "1", "2", "3" and so on in it - but that's not very visible and I thought having it similar to the button description would be better |
| 18:43:57 | `VL | hello. after installing rockbox on my h340 i have a liitle problem: backlight don`t turn off while charging. Now i`m looking at light 'Complete' word on player in cradle... what can i do? |
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| 18:47:40 | Chronon | pixelma: You mean having the text embedded in the image? |
| 18:47:41 | n1s | `VL: there's a "Backlight timeout while plugged" (ore somesuch) setting |
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| 18:48:06 | `VL | n1s: thank`s, i`ll search... |
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| 18:48:25 | `VL | thinking about `s .. ;-) |
| 18:49:44 | `VL | n1s: i have it set to 10s.. ;-( |
| 18:49:47 | * | bluebrother notices stray backticks |
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| 18:51:34 | n1s | `VL: what does it display on screen? |
| 18:51:50 | `VL | charging... |
| 18:52:09 | n1s | `VL: that's the OF nothing to do with rockbox |
| 18:52:26 | `VL | n1s: ok, but... |
| 18:52:42 | n1s | either start rockbox before inserting the charger plug or start the iriver OF and change the setting in there |
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| 18:52:58 | pixelma | hmm... pity, just when I wanted to answer Chronon |
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| 18:53:56 | * | bluebrother has an idea about the frontpage ... let's see if that works |
| 18:54:27 | * | linuxstb gets the feeling Zagor is hiding.... ;) |
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| 18:55:29 | * | bluebrother wonders if there already were responses regarding the redesign announcement in the forums |
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| 18:56:01 | preglow | the sponsor thing should have the same widths as the rest of the page |
| 18:56:13 | preglow | or at least not bigger than the two tables above it |
| 18:56:37 | bluebrother | I think we could have all the information that is currently on the frontpage with some additional javascript |
| 18:56:38 | jhMikeS | preglow: where's that vinyl amp? I also got ahold of that nice synth pdf. I think I saved it...I hope. |
| 18:56:49 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Doesn't sound accessible... |
| 18:57:12 | bluebrother | well, for accessibility the javascript could just show everything by default |
| 18:57:31 | bluebrother | (I did some web design before and tested with links / lynx ;-) |
| 18:58:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: can't make it work properly |
| 18:58:46 | jhMikeS | no? what's it doing? |
| 18:58:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: whatever i do, i end up with more bass than i need and less treble than i need |
| 18:59:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: tried recording on the device and applying the filter in matlab, same shit, i almost suspect the mic input is somehow to blame |
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| 18:59:22 | preglow | it all sounds stellar through my amps vinyl input |
| 18:59:48 | jhMikeS | it sounds like that even if just doing a feedthrough? |
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| 19:00:11 | `VL | n1s: how do i charge player with rockbox? i have hold always connected to usb: in original i turned player off and put it to hold - it started to charge(normal, not usb). in rockbox player connects to usb even in bootloader... does it charge while working? (not usb charge) |
| 19:00:53 | preglow | jhMikeS: no idea, just tried using recording |
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| 19:01:45 | n1s | `VL: you can charge while rockbox is running and I _think_ it charges while in bootloader usb mode but LinusN should know for sure, you could just start rockbox before connecting usb though |
| 19:01:48 | preglow | i found a paper and tried the filter that used, but couldn't even bloody make it work |
| 19:01:54 | preglow | this all points to me being a retard |
| 19:02:00 | jhMikeS | yeah, I mean just recording without any software filters involved. shouldn't make any difference just playing it back |
| 19:02:28 | jhMikeS | oh c'mon. I don't believe that. |
| 19:02:43 | preglow | anyway, i've looked at the filter i currently use, and looks just peachy |
| 19:02:53 | preglow | seems to be within specs of what an riaa filter should look like |
| 19:03:28 | `VL | n1s: thanks. that would be nice to see some sort of icon in rockbox, that indicates 'charger connected'. or this one exists? |
| 19:04:00 | n1s | `VL: the battery in the statusbar animates while charging |
| 19:04:15 | jhMikeS | like this ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RIAA_equalization |
| 19:04:23 | `VL | n1s: does it depends on theme? |
| 19:04:51 | n1s | `VL: themes can turn off the statusbar, yes |
| 19:06:35 | `VL | n1s: and i understand about 1st question: while installing rockbox, i destroyed all settings of original firmware... so it didn`t turn of. sorry. |
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| 19:07:03 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Personally, I don't like sites that hide/show content via javascript. I would prefer it to just all be on the page and I can use the scrollbar. |
| 19:07:24 | preglow | jhMikeS: aye, just the inverse |
| 19:09:44 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: if all the content is displayed by default, then you're not going to lose that |
| 19:09:58 | GodEater_ | and you don't have to care if it can be hidden or not |
| 19:10:53 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Then I'll be happy, but what's the point? |
| 19:11:21 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: the point is our users can hide bits they neither like nor understand |
| 19:11:22 | bluebrother | linuxstb: well, I'm looking for a way to have all information on the front page but without getting it too crowded. Do you have a better idea? |
| 19:11:39 | linuxstb | Yes, not put everything on the front page... |
| 19:11:44 | bluebrother | also, we could set a cookie with the current user selection ... |
| 19:11:58 | GodEater_ | a la iGoogle |
| 19:12:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: i think this is pretty much where it's at http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/phono.c |
| 19:13:06 | bluebrother | another option would be of course to show one line only for every "item" (i.e. svn log, etc) like "last svn commit at <time> by <who>" and put the old table to a separate page. |
| 19:13:31 | bluebrother | the question is: what information do we want to have on the front page? Currently it's really crowded imo. |
| 19:14:14 | linuxstb | IMO, the mail and wiki tables aren't needed. I don't read the mail via website (I have an email client...) and the recent changes on the wiki aren't that interesting (and already available elsewhere). |
| 19:14:32 | bluebrother | yep, I agree. |
| 19:14:51 | linuxstb | So the news and svn could revert to how they were presented before... |
| 19:15:27 | bluebrother | putting the sponsors to the bottom of the page is also nice −− it makes more room for the svn log if you're on a small monitor |
| 19:15:52 | linuxstb | I use a small monitor (an ibook), and never found that a problem though. |
| 19:16:14 | bluebrother | well, it's not a problem. It's just nicer ;) |
| 19:16:35 | GodEater_ | wonder if the sponsors will feel that way |
| 19:16:40 | jhMikeS | preglow: ah, so the high-cut is the filter used on the recording end |
| 19:16:58 | GodEater_ | though I suspect at least one of them won't care at all |
| 19:17:57 | jhMikeS | or, no the article says low frequencies are reduced |
| 19:23:36 | Buschel | back for good :) |
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| 19:26:36 | jhMikeS | preglow: know of any good fixed point routines to raise a value to a fractional power between 1 and 3 or so? |
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| 19:27:20 | preglow | jhMikeS: nope |
| 19:27:34 | preglow | jhMikeS: if you by high-cut filter mean "riaa deemphasis filter", then yes |
| 19:28:01 | preglow | it doesn't just high-cut, it also boosts bass quite a bit |
| 19:29:27 | preglow | also, anyone seen any info on the new ipod innards yet? |
| 19:29:28 | * | jhMikeS 's first search re: fixed point fracional power brings up a patent for it. :\ |
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| 19:30:31 | preglow | jhMikeS: what do you want it for? scrollwheel accel stuff? |
| 19:31:01 | n1s | wow, our Tremor codec actually plays floor0 files which neither totem nor rythmbox like |
| 19:32:02 | preglow | n1s: i have no idea why they don't |
| 19:32:09 | preglow | they're completely within spec |
| 19:32:12 | jhMikeS | preglow: yeah, to have a variable magnitude ... and as a handy tool |
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| 19:34:52 | Buschel | jhMikeS: could you read my last comment before leaving? regarding the resetting of the wheelclick accumulation? |
| 19:35:01 | preglow | jhMikeS: i'd probably just use a lut to not spend ages on it |
| 19:35:06 | linuxstb | preglow: Just the ifixit.com photos, which I think you've seen. The new ipods just have similar apple-branded chips to the 2nd Gen Nano. The CPUs have "ARM" written on them and have similar (but slightly different) reference numbers to the 2nd gen Nano. |
| 19:35:28 | preglow | linuxstb: i'll pretty much just take that as confirmation nothing uses pp, then |
| 19:36:07 | jhMikeS | luts are so.....boooring |
| 19:36:51 | linuxstb | preglow: Yes... Also, the specs (video playback and very long battery life) point to them not being PP. |
| 19:37:22 | jhMikeS | luts with some kind of non-linear interpolation are perhaps half-interesting though |
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| 19:42:29 | GodEater_ | heh - that licensing email seems to be the biggest activity on the dev list there's been in ages |
| 19:43:42 | * | GodEater_ wonders if Febs will wade in with his "don't take this as legal advice" hat on |
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| 19:43:54 | preglow | is it a pretty hat? |
| 19:44:05 | GodEater_ | it's sparkly |
| 19:44:19 | GodEater_ | he has to make sure he doesn't set things on fire with it |
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| 19:44:34 | jhMikeS | chewy or crunchy? |
| 19:44:59 | Febs | I literally was just sitting here wondering whether I should post my $.02, but then realized that would buy you about two and half seconds of my time. |
| 19:45:07 | Febs | :) |
| 19:45:17 | GodEater_ | so a couple of thousand dollars then ? :) |
| 19:45:35 | * | GodEater_ goes looking for his wallet |
| 19:45:45 | linuxstb | Febs: How much time does a t-shirt and a mug get us? |
| 19:45:59 | Febs | I don't know, since I never seem to be able to get one! |
| 19:46:04 | GodEater_ | plus I'll let you win at arm wrestling |
| 19:47:59 | Febs | I still need to read most of the mailing list thread, but from a practical perspective, I agree that assigning copyrights to an individual is a bad idea for the reasons Godeater already noted. |
| 19:48:22 | preglow | oh yes |
| 19:48:30 | GodEater_ | Febs must have seen the Rockbox hitlist, so he knows who's getting it next |
| 19:48:43 | * | GodEater_ looks over his hsoulder |
| 19:48:48 | GodEater_ | *shoulder |
| 19:48:58 | Febs | Yes, but DavidGWRawson doesn't have any Rockbox copyrights ... |
| 19:49:46 | preglow | i think making some org have copyright would be simplest by far |
| 19:49:47 | preglow | that's for sure |
| 19:50:08 | preglow | if we let individuals retain copyright, we'll never be able to change a license without gargantuan effort |
| 19:50:26 | preglow | also, possibly a ton of bother |
| 19:50:44 | GodEater_ | Febs: you know where he lives already? I'm impressed :) |
| 19:51:34 | GodEater_ | so all we need now is to figure out which organisation to use |
| 19:51:38 | GodEater_ | and get them to pay attention |
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| 19:55:35 | * | GodEater_ had forgotten how slowly lawyers read |
| 19:55:43 | * | pixelma gets the impression that GodEater_ looks at the world upside down :P |
| 19:56:05 | GodEater_ | pixelma: just that one time early this morning :) |
| 19:56:31 | GodEater_ | then I looked at how it appeared in the mailing list archive and realised it didn't look as cool as I thought |
| 19:56:38 | GodEater_ | =/ |
| 19:56:52 | pixelma | hehe |
| 19:58:02 | Febs | Sorry, I'm actually quite tied up today with Real Work. |
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| 19:59:11 | GodEater_ | Febs: this "Real Work" - you're reading that slowly too I'm guessing ;) |
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| 20:00:44 | Febs | One issue to think about when we talk about assigning copyrights to a third-party is what happens if the assignor wants to use the work that is the subject of the copyright same work in a non-GPL compatible manner? |
| 20:01:14 | GodEater_ | Febs: tough titties ? |
| 20:01:38 | GodEater_ | I mean, if you're planning on that - presumably you won't hand over the (C) in the first place |
| 20:01:56 | bluebrother | can't you just dual-license it? |
| 20:02:15 | Febs | bluebrother: if you are the copyright holder, yes. If you assign your copyright to someone else, though, how would you do that? |
| 20:02:32 | GodEater_ | you wouldn't be able to |
| 20:02:42 | GodEater_ | not without the agreement of the (c) holding org. |
| 20:02:52 | Febs | Exactly my point. |
| 20:03:06 | bluebrother | hmm. |
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| 20:05:25 | GodEater_ | linuxstb ? |
| 20:05:36 | Domonoky | wow, we have a chinese translation for rbutil in the tracker.. :-) |
| 20:05:44 | GodEater_ | sweet! |
| 20:06:01 | bluebrother | yep ... I already looked at it ;) |
| 20:06:18 | bluebrother | and it made me make some improvements to rbutil ;) |
| 20:06:20 | GodEater_ | what's still to be done with rbutil ? |
| 20:06:43 | bluebrother | I'd like to improve autodetection |
| 20:06:53 | GodEater_ | what does it not do currently ? |
| 20:07:10 | Domonoky | bluebrother: libusb, we will need it for e200r support anyway... |
| 20:07:30 | bluebrother | Domonoky: yes, but my idea was to have autodetection working without libusb on windows |
| 20:07:53 | bluebrother | on linux I think we safely can assume libusb to be present. Or link it statically to the binary |
| 20:08:06 | bluebrother | on windows libusb only works with some driver installed :( |
| 20:08:32 | bluebrother | GodEater_: well, backing up the old installation would be nice. And support for plugins ;-) |
| 20:09:10 | bluebrother | the basic functionality itself is complete. Loads of testing is needed though. From reports I have the suspicion that there is something strange with sansapatcher integration. |
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| 20:09:35 | GodEater_ | plugins for rbutil you mean, as opposed to rockbox plugins ? |
| 20:09:41 | bluebrother | yes |
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| 20:09:52 | Oreo`Cookie | Anyone care to help? |
| 20:09:56 | bluebrother | for scrobbler sibmission f.e. |
| 20:09:59 | Redbreva | some indication that it is working, and it's finished when autodetecting?? |
| 20:10:04 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: ah I see |
| 20:10:52 | GodEater_ | Oreo`Cookie: wrong question. Just state your problem. |
| 20:11:10 | GodEater_ | no-one ever reads those ircguidelines |
| 20:11:28 | GodEater_ | we should +m the channel, and only +v people when they can confirm they've read them |
| 20:11:41 | Oreo`Cookie | Hehe... ummm is there any patch available to make the GB and GBC games run faster on the rockboy? They run HORRIBLE, and the sound is horrible too |
| 20:12:00 | GodEater_ | Oreo`Cookie: none that I'm aware of |
| 20:12:20 | GodEater_ | any and all patches are in the tracker though - you're free to search it |
| 20:12:36 | Redbreva | also bootloader installation from Rbutilqt+Vista Ipod Patcher is still the only way that works (and that has to run as Admin) |
| 20:12:41 | Oreo`Cookie | K thanks |
| 20:12:56 | GodEater_ | vista is still funny about it's direct hardware access |
| 20:13:02 | GodEater_ | I found that out when I tried out RC1 |
| 20:13:13 | GodEater_ | there's something you can do to get round it - but I forget what |
| 20:13:18 | GodEater_ | it was last November |
| 20:13:19 | GodEater_ | :( |
| 20:14:13 | Redbreva | I trued runing rbutil with admin rights but it still fails to find any ipods when attempting bootloader install - even tho' auto detect works |
| 20:14:56 | GodEater_ | that would likely be a symtom of that issue |
| 20:15:11 | GodEater_ | I think some searching of MS's knowledge base is in order |
| 20:15:35 | Redbreva | Running ipodpatcher itself with admin rights works OK |
| 20:16:12 | GodEater_ | that may be because it's a console app |
| 20:16:14 | GodEater_ | I'm not sure |
| 20:16:19 | GodEater_ | I'd still search MS :) |
| 20:16:43 | GodEater_ | or even the forums |
| 20:16:56 | GodEater_ | I seem to recall the same issue popping up a very long time ago with ipodpatcher too |
| 20:17:00 | GodEater_ | and someone posting the solution |
| 20:18:44 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Did you read the logs from this afternoon? barrywardell and I managed to statically link libusb for both Mac OS X and Linux, so that just leaves Windows to sort out... |
| 20:19:00 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Why the ? ? |
| 20:19:13 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: wondered if you were here |
| 20:19:24 | bluebrother | linuxstb: I think a dynamic dependency to libusb is ok at least on linux |
| 20:19:33 | GodEater_ | I just wanted to check - scorche is sending you the S's, and then we're going to meet up somewhere correct ? |
| 20:19:59 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Yes, but looking at it, libusb is in fact very small and simple - I think it's fine to link statically. |
| 20:20:02 | bluebrother | the nmajor issue is that libusb requires you to install a driver on windows, especially for detection |
| 20:20:43 | bluebrother | for e200r installation I guess we'll need to require the user to install the driver |
| 20:21:26 | linuxstb | From everything I've read, it seems any kind of USB activity will require a driver on Windows. Is that your interpretation? |
| 20:21:43 | linuxstb | GodEater_: I thought he was sending them to you... |
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| 20:21:59 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Or rather, your friendly porter... |
| 20:21:59 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: now I'm confused :) |
| 20:22:08 | bluebrother | yes. Enumersting the IDs will work without using the windows api |
| 20:22:18 | GodEater_ | I guess we check with scorche when he wakes up then |
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| 20:22:45 | Oreo`Cookie | Anyone got to create their own theme yet? I think its pretty hard |
| 20:22:56 | bluebrother | which is the point: I want to require the driver only when really needed |
| 20:23:10 | linuxstb | Oreo`Cookie: Given the number of themes on rockbox-themes.org and the wiki, at least a few people have... |
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| 20:23:21 | bluebrother | maybe we can distunguish between e200 and e200r based on usb pid? |
| 20:23:25 | GodEater_ | Oreo`Cookie: there are guides in the wiki too |
| 20:23:42 | linuxstb | bluebrother: They have different partition layouts - sansapatcher won't recognise an e200r. |
| 20:23:42 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: how about based on the lack of two partitions ? |
| 20:23:51 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Good idea. |
| 20:24:11 | GodEater_ | more or less what you said though ;) |
| 20:27:09 | * | bluebrother thinks a short introduction dialog upon first startup would be helpful |
| 20:27:25 | GodEater_ | "Welcome to RBUtil, the app that hoses your DAP" |
| 20:27:28 | amiconn | bluebrother: On windows we need the driver, but we could make rbutil preinstall it (i.e. put the .inf in c:\windows\inf, pre-linked to the e200r's pid) |
| 20:27:30 | GodEater_ | it even rhymes |
| 20:27:58 | * | GodEater_ needs dinner |
| 20:28:11 | bluebrother | I'm not sure if I like this approach. Currently rbutil doesn't need an installation at all |
| 20:28:26 | amiconn | You don't need to install rbutil itself |
| 20:28:36 | bluebrother | but once we provide an installer we could do this. |
| 20:29:15 | amiconn | If it detects a sansa, it could preinstall the driver, and then tell the user to switch the sansa to manufacturer mode and reconnect |
| 20:29:30 | amiconn | Iiuc, the sansa has a different pid in manufacturer mode than in normal mode |
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| 20:29:48 | bluebrother | yep. I would just have displayed an error message telling the user that he needs to install a driver |
| 20:29:57 | linuxstb | amiconn: All this needs a windows user with a clue and a Sansa. No-one has even succeeded getting e200rpatcher working yet... |
| 20:30:28 | amiconn | I have no sansa, and I don't want one either. AT least not an e200(r) |
| 20:30:52 | amiconn | If the C200 came in 4GB or 8GB, that would be more tempting |
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| 20:31:04 | bluebrother | my idea for autodetection was to detect the player based on USB ids first. Then use other methods to verify that / rule out id collisions / detect mount point |
| 20:31:24 | * | bluebrother played around with an e200 today and doesn't like the buttons |
| 20:31:30 | bluebrother | so no reason to buy one |
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| 20:32:00 | barrywardell | amiconn: it does have a microsd slot... |
| 20:32:29 | amiconn | I know. A full-size sd slot would have been more interesting... |
| 20:32:53 | Oreo`Cookie | micro SD's suk! |
| 20:33:15 | Oreo`Cookie | they're like 60 bucks when the normal sized ones r like 25 bucks |
| 20:33:18 | bluebrother | I don't see why microSD should suck. It's just damned small |
| 20:34:16 | amiconn | A full-size sd slot would also take MMCs, and I already have some, even a 4GB one |
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| 20:35:11 | linuxstb | JdGordon: (for the logs) This page for a windows app using libusb - it could give some clues. It suggests running testlibusb.exe after installing the driver to test it's installed correctly. http://cexx.org/dakota/sucr.htm |
| 20:36:44 | eXe`- | hey, its impossible to open images to me. there are some default images on my sansa e250 but cant open them... some tips? |
| 20:37:02 | linuxstb | What kind of files are they? |
| 20:37:04 | bluebrother | are the images jpg? |
| 20:37:24 | eXe`- | umm |
| 20:37:28 | eXe`- | i guess, yeah |
| 20:37:54 | linuxstb | Are any messages displayed when you select them in the Rockbox file browser? |
| 20:38:00 | eXe`- | nope |
| 20:38:14 | eXe`- | i see them listed in the browser |
| 20:38:28 | eXe`- | but when i try to open them nothing happens |
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| 20:39:42 | eXe`- | ok |
| 20:39:43 | eXe`- | no |
| 20:39:47 | eXe`- | they are bmps |
| 20:40:01 | eXe`- | so i guess this is the problem, right? |
| 20:40:11 | linuxstb | Yes, Rockbox doesn't have a bmp viewer. |
| 20:40:16 | jhMikeS | Buschel: weren't you goings to ask/say something earlier? I wasn't being rude but simply assuming you'd just say. |
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| 20:40:57 | eXe`- | but there is something like a albumart plugin or something which supports bmps or not? |
| 20:41:06 | The_Compiler | Little OT: What does "in a nutshell" mean? (I'm Swiss) |
| 20:41:07 | linuxstb | eXe`-: You may be able to open them in rockpaint though. Hold down select on the file (to bring up the context menu), then select "open with" and rockpaint. |
| 20:41:35 | The_Compiler | eXe`-: But only if they aren't bigger as your screen |
| 20:41:40 | Buschel | jhMikeS: no prob, had enough to do with our baby.. he was crying all time :/ |
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| 20:42:22 | Buschel | jhMikeS: i just asked whether you've read my comment (in IRC) just before you were leaving? |
| 20:42:37 | eXe`- | The_Compiler these are the default pics which were on the player, so i guess they are in the right format :o |
| 20:43:01 | ian_hawdon | @ The_Compiler In a nutshell means, to put what you're trying to say in a simpler form (like a summery of something that has been said) |
| 20:43:11 | low_light | I have a question...the c200 loads the firmware to 0x14000000. Since there's only 32MB is that address just aliased to 0x10000000? |
| 20:43:23 | The_Compiler | ian_hawdon: thanks |
| 20:43:27 | preglow | low_light: sounds logical |
| 20:43:37 | linuxstb | low_light: Possibly. Or maybe RAM has been remapped? |
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| 20:44:30 | * | linuxstb can't think why it would be remapped there though... |
| 20:44:47 | eXe`- | linuxstb when i open the images with rockpaint it says "undefined instruction" and the player hangs :O |
| 20:45:24 | * | linuxstb shrugs |
| 20:45:48 | low_light | linuxstb: not in the bootloader (it's executed from 0x10600000) |
| 20:46:34 | preglow | ram addresses do alias for ipods |
| 20:46:41 | preglow | so i guess they do so for sansa c too |
| 20:47:00 | barrywardell | i think that's the case for all pp |
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| 20:47:08 | preglow | no surprises |
| 20:47:10 | jhMikeS | Buschel: saw it after I posted another after getting back :) hrm |
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| 20:47:21 | barrywardell | there was a theory that you could access memory without caching that way |
| 20:47:41 | linuxstb | This may explain the odd results I had when trying a quick hack to detect 32MB/64MB ipods (in apps/main.c, so Rockbox could tell the user they've installed the wrong build). |
| 20:47:47 | barrywardell | so the uncached address would be the normal address + memsize |
| 20:48:27 | linuxstb | On my PP5020, writing to an address in the 2nd 32MB of RAM failed, but on my 32MB ipod video, it worked. So it could be that the RAM was aliased on the PP5021, but not PP5020. |
| 20:48:45 | low_light | hmm. there's some cache clearing & init done before and after loading the firmware to 0x14000000 |
| 20:48:56 | amiconn | I bet that this has to do with the various bits in the lower half of the MMAP* registers |
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| 20:49:42 | jhMikeS | does this aliasing perhaps have anything to do with different DAPs using a generic setup rather than ones used by OF? |
| 20:50:24 | barrywardell | i think it was dan_a that did some testing on the whole aliasing thing in the past (on sansa) |
| 20:50:41 | amiconn | Btw, 0x14000000 is MEMBASE + 2*MEMSIZE |
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| 20:51:15 | barrywardell | i think you can add any multiple of memsize |
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| 20:52:40 | amiconn | barrywardell: I'm sure that it can't be an arbitrary multiple |
| 20:52:53 | * | jhMikeS will look into that stuff for H10 once it arrives. probably not a good thing to create memory range aliases |
| 20:53:02 | amiconn | Otherwise the RAM would be aliased all over |
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| 20:53:31 | amiconn | low_light: Did you check what the MMAP* registers are set to? |
| 20:53:33 | barrywardell | amiconn: maybe not arbitrary multiple, but some multiples are allowed afaik |
| 20:53:49 | amiconn | Maybe two register pairs map the sdram to 2 different locations? |
| 20:54:19 | low_light | depends on memsize. There can be 64 MB. |
| 20:54:44 | preglow | amiconn: i think probably the aliasing comes from some kind of mask bits in the mmap regs |
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| 20:55:11 | barrywardell | linuxstb: gtg now, but my attempts at a universal binary faild. I couldn't get libusb to build cross-compiled for ppc |
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| 20:56:00 | jhMikeS | amiconn: did you find out what DEV_TIMING1 does or just name it that? what effect does it seem to have if so? |
| 20:56:15 | amiconn | I just named it that |
| 20:56:51 | low_light | amiconn: on the device or disassembly? (either way I can't check now). |
| 20:57:00 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I've got a libusb-ppc.a if you want it... |
| 20:58:09 | Oreo`Cookie | u guys sound like technicians of some sort xD |
| 20:58:20 | linuxstb | I've been looking at the "aupd" image a little in the last few days (now that ipodpatcher can en/descrypt it) - it's not just an image of the flash, it's an application which does the flashing (with the data to flash embedded in it). |
| 20:58:24 | amiconn | jhMikeS: My first thought was that it might have to do with ram timing, but then changing it should changing execution speed from sdram when caches are disabled |
| 20:58:47 | amiconn | My tests didn't show such change |
| 20:58:48 | amiconn | s |
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| 20:59:43 | GodEater_ | Oreo`Cookie: this is where most of Rockbox development happens. Rockbox users are welcome - but their in a minority ;) |
| 20:59:48 | stevenm | Hello. How can I debug a plugin running on the Simulator using GDB ? |
| 20:59:48 | GodEater_ | s/their/they're |
| 20:59:57 | jhMikeS | I tried setting it to see it did anything setting it to something like 0804 instead. I guess I haven't tried anything with the core control regs and the various delays that can be done. |
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| 21:00:00 | Oreo`Cookie | i think EVERYONE should use it |
| 21:00:01 | Oreo`Cookie | it rocks |
| 21:00:11 | Oreo`Cookie | It solved my IPOD freezing problem |
| 21:00:35 | GodEater_ | stevenm: have you used gdb before ? |
| 21:00:52 | stevenm | GodEater_, very vaguely |
| 21:01:01 | amiconn | Oreo`Cookie: Guess why it's called *rock*box ;) (scnr) |
| 21:01:03 | GodEater_ | I'd suggest reading up on it then |
| 21:01:26 | GodEater_ | stevenm: or use a nice GUI for gdb, like "ddd" ;) |
| 21:01:45 | stevenm | GodEater_, I mean... simulator has a ton of SDL stuff. I just want a breakpoint at the beginning of my plugin and a watchpoint on a variable |
| 21:02:07 | amiconn | stevenm: Yes, that's possible |
| 21:02:40 | GodEater_ | stevenm: my personal preference then would be for ddd - but I think I'm in a minority of one ;) |
| 21:02:47 | stevenm | amiconn, problem is, plugin crashes shortly after loading. it is hard to catch it after it's been loaded but before it crashed |
| 21:02:49 | | Part ian_hawdon |
| 21:03:55 | stevenm | but getting ddd now, thanks |
| 21:03:59 | jhMikeS | hmmm...COP/COP control could be a loop-less udelay if the usec EC works |
| 21:04:03 | amiconn | stevenm: Load the sim with gdb. Set a breakpoint to the desired <soucefile>.c:<lineno>. Since this file isn't loaded yet, gdb will ask whether this is part of a dynamic libary loaded later. Answer 'yes' |
| 21:04:18 | stevenm | amiconn, aaaah thanks |
| 21:04:26 | amiconn | Then start the sim, and start your plugin. gdb will catch the breakpoint |
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| 21:04:38 | Zero-Coo|_ | hey guys |
| 21:04:45 | Zero-Coo|_ | can anyone help me ? |
| 21:04:56 | GodEater_ | Zero-Coo|_: without knowing what with - it's hard to say |
| 21:05:06 | amiconn | jhMikeS: You mean the clock skipping feature? |
| 21:05:06 | Zero-Coo|_ | ok listen man |
| 21:05:18 | Zero-Coo|_ | i want to install rockbox to my ipod |
| 21:05:22 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I don't know how this compares with what you're doing with the cache, but it's a function I found in my ipod's firmware (the flash-update aupd image) - http://pastebin.ca/692420 |
| 21:05:24 | Zero-Coo|_ | i think is g1 |
| 21:05:32 | jhMikeS | amiconn: yeah and accoring to IPL it works with the usec counter too |
| 21:05:32 | * | ender` yawns |
| 21:05:33 | Oreo`Cookie | Thats the easiest thing EVERRRR |
| 21:05:37 | Zero-Coo|_ | what i must download and how i must install them |
| 21:05:57 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, saw that. msec and sec events are also available |
| 21:06:18 | GodEater_ | Zero-Coo|_: your ipod is a genuine 1st generation ipod ? Not a mini, or a nano ? |
| 21:06:27 | Zero-Coo|_ | it's a nano |
| 21:06:48 | Zero-Coo|_ | nano 2gb and i think first gen. |
| 21:06:48 | GodEater_ | Zero-Coo|_: in that case start off by downloading the manual |
| 21:07:03 | Zero-Coo|_ | yeah but some files are missing from the web |
| 21:07:03 | GodEater_ | and then read the installation section |
| 21:07:08 | GodEater_ | which ones ? |
| 21:07:16 | Zero-Coo|_ | something with bootloader |
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| 21:07:26 | Zero-Coo|_ | i was searching for tutorial |
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| 21:07:31 | linuxstb | Zero-Coo|_: Exactly which link doesn't work? |
| 21:07:34 | jhMikeS | amiconn: only thing is I never observed effects with anything but the cycle counter and 0x7fffffff just slept for 256 cycles |
| 21:07:36 | Zero-Coo|_ | maybe the directory changed |
| 21:07:41 | Zero-Coo|_ | i will check man .. ty |
| 21:07:42 | GodEater_ | Zero-Coo|_: the manual is all you need |
| 21:07:47 | Zero-Coo|_ | oki man |
| 21:07:49 | Zero-Coo|_ | thnx |
| 21:07:52 | GodEater_ | it contains all the links to the right things |
| 21:07:54 | linuxstb | Zero-Coo|_: Nothing has changed for about a year... |
| 21:08:04 | Zero-Coo|_ | :) |
| 21:08:17 | preglow | what, we've been invited to the google mentor summit? |
| 21:08:21 | stevenm | it's the strangest thing. I get a segfault on a simple function call with like, a = f(b, c); |
| 21:08:22 | GodEater_ | did anyone else know there was a FSF Europe ? |
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| 21:08:45 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Of course. |
| 21:08:52 | linuxstb | stevenm: Which function? |
| 21:08:58 | GodEater_ | stevenm: and which plugin ? |
| 21:09:01 | stevenm | linuxstb, something inside the midi plugin |
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| 21:09:12 | stevenm | synth.c, getSample(cpShifted+1, wf) |
| 21:09:28 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: now that's yet another variation. the sansa OF is loaded with various cache maintence functions - one I can't make heads or tails of for sure but it appears to be a range flush/invalidate. |
| 21:09:32 | stevenm | runs fine on target, but with certain songs, crashes the sim. trying to hunt down why |
| 21:09:48 | amiconn | If you set 0x7fffffff, all event types are activated (sysclk, usec, msec and sec). And sysclk will of course trigger first |
| 21:10:07 | amiconn | Only the low 8 bits set the count |
| 21:10:17 | * | bluebrother curses his internet connection |
| 21:10:18 | GodEater_ | preglow: where's the summit? And will there be beer ? :) |
| 21:10:31 | amiconn | So if you set that to 0xff, it will trigger after 256 sysclks |
| 21:10:50 | jhMikeS | amiconn: interesting thing that setting that returned 0x7fffff00 after it finished |
| 21:11:12 | amiconn | I'd expect that as well... |
| 21:11:37 | preglow | GodEater_: can't remember, but the beer would fall into place on its own accord |
| 21:11:39 | preglow | at least for me... |
| 21:11:45 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 21:11:49 | amiconn | Loopless udelay() will save a bit of power... |
| 21:11:56 | GodEater_ | I just wondered if it was provided free or not ;) |
| 21:12:08 | amiconn | ...but keep the "classic" implementation for PP5002 |
| 21:12:14 | preglow | i'm from norway, it probably is practically free for me even if they charge |
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| 21:12:42 | GodEater_ | preglow: good point |
| 21:13:09 | jhMikeS | I set many other combos and never got a result that produced a delay and sansa OF always set cop to 0x80000a00 and cpu to 0x80000500 when they sleep the cores...not sure what to make of that. maybe pp5022c doesn't work the same way. |
| 21:14:33 | amiconn | The disadvantage of a loopless udelay() is that it only handles up to 256 usec |
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| 21:14:52 | stevenm | GodEater_, do you know how to get ddd to set a breakpoint in a source file of a plugin that hasn't been loaded yet? |
| 21:15:05 | amiconn | More are possible, but require a loop again |
| 21:15:08 | jhMikeS | Well, it could loops, just not madly |
| 21:15:14 | * | Oreo`Cookie GASPS |
| 21:15:32 | Oreo`Cookie | RockBox... cant play videos?! O_O |
| 21:15:36 | * | amiconn thinks that this would be a nice little optimisation for PP502x |
| 21:15:50 | GodEater_ | stevenm: not off the top of my head - I don't even have it installed on this workstation at the moment |
| 21:16:27 | jhMikeS | It must allow interrupts as well. If an EC is pending without bit 31 set, they do not get serviced |
| 21:16:30 | GodEater_ | it should accept gdb commands too though |
| 21:16:41 | GodEater_ | given that it's only a wrapper for gdb |
| 21:17:01 | linuxstb | Oreo`Cookie: Huh? |
| 21:17:29 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Hmm, an interrupt would then mess up the delay... |
| 21:17:45 | Oreo`Cookie | I cant seem to play videos on my IPOD VIDEO with rockbox |
| 21:17:51 | Oreo`Cookie | i dont even see the files |
| 21:18:00 | amiconn | But maybe the counter is preserved if it's interrupted before reaching zero? |
| 21:18:00 | bluebrother | Oreo`Cookie: check http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer |
| 21:18:04 | linuxstb | Oreo`Cookie: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer (pay close attention to the introduction) |
| 21:18:24 | Oreo`Cookie | k got it thankz |
| 21:20:53 | * | maxkelley returns to the scene of the crime. |
| 21:22:16 | low_light | hi maxkelley |
| 21:23:24 | low_light | I'll have to look at your patches sometime...to the plugins actually run ok? |
| 21:23:25 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I don't know. Perhaps a loop will be needed just to see if it's done. It would be enough code I'm sure it should stay inlined to avoid bloat. A call is hardly much of a concern on ARM. |
| 21:24:14 | preglow | anyone know on what legal ground we are with regards to patents? |
| 21:24:18 | maxkelley | low_light: yeah, they all run, pretty much. |
| 21:24:20 | preglow | aac/mp3/etc |
| 21:24:34 | maxkelley | except for maybe doom.. do you have the flyspray FS#? |
| 21:24:55 | maxkelley | It's 7749, in case you don't. |
| 21:25:04 | * | jhMikeS really wants to know about the HW synchonization objects. The sansa OF doesn't appear to contain a single swp(b) instruction. |
| 21:25:07 | maxkelley | use the one in my first comment. |
| 21:25:44 | preglow | jhMikeS: now that sounds interesting |
| 21:25:53 | maxkelley | low_light: I haven't yet modified any of the bmps, but pixelma sounded like he was interested in doing that. |
| 21:26:15 | preglow | maxkelley: pixelma is a "she" |
| 21:26:19 | low_light | s/he/she/g |
| 21:26:26 | maxkelley | oh, I didn't know that. |
| 21:26:33 | preglow | you do now :D |
| 21:26:43 | preglow | i'm sure she won't have your head for the mistake |
| 21:26:43 | maxkelley | in that case, that she was interested in doing that. |
| 21:27:04 | maxkelley | that's pretty cool.. I've only known one other female coder (that I know, not saying that they don't exist) |
| 21:27:14 | maxkelley | no, 2. |
| 21:27:20 | maxkelley | anyhow.. |
| 21:28:13 | preglow | i don't think i actually know any female coders :/ |
| 21:28:33 | maxkelley | low_light: This weekend, I'm going to work on converting all the plugins to use the pluginlib_actions.h files for keymaps, instead of individual keymap sections for each player in each plugin file. |
| 21:28:57 | jhMikeS | preglow: there's a UNI paper on a hardware non-blocking synchronization implementation that sounds suspiciously like Portal Player's patent regarding the hardware semaphores. |
| 21:29:01 | low_light | I'll try to have a have a look later. I'm more focused on figuring out what's going wrong with loading the orig firmware. |
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| 21:29:31 | maxkelley | low_light: I thought that was just a problem I was having :) |
| 21:30:00 | maxkelley | I knew it happens on the e200r, but I wasn't aware it was widespread on the c200. |
| 21:30:54 | low_light | no. it doesn't work. well, rockbox loads it, but it just freezes (as you have seen) |
| 21:31:35 | Oreo`Cookie | I heard that if you hold the menu button while ipod is chargin, u go to the rockbox main menu |
| 21:31:37 | Oreo`Cookie | doesnt work :| |
| 21:31:56 | preglow | keep menu pressed while inserting the usb cable |
| 21:32:07 | low_light | gtg |
| 21:32:10 | | Part low_light |
| 21:32:13 | Oreo`Cookie | ohhh ok |
| 21:32:17 | Oreo`Cookie | thankz |
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| 21:32:45 | Galois | I've had problems with that recently. Sometimes it works when you insert the usb cable, but then a few seconds or minutes later it spontaneously reboots into disk mode. |
| 21:33:15 | Galois | there were never any problems before. they started about 2-3 months ago. |
| 21:33:17 | jhMikeS | preglow: I just wonder if it's a rather limited thing and only suited to a small bit of code or a few resources or something. Stuff I read only dealt with having a small number of objects. |
| 21:33:18 | GodEater_ | Galois: recently ? |
| 21:33:28 | GodEater_ | Galois: that was fixed about a week ago |
| 21:34:06 | Galois | there was also a nano playback bug from r13990 or something, did that get fixed? |
| 21:34:19 | GodEater_ | Galois: no - since no dev has a buggy nano |
| 21:34:34 | Oreo`Cookie | worked for me just fine |
| 21:34:35 | Galois | right, so I'm still stuck on r13990 for that reason :/ |
| 21:35:00 | preglow | jhMikeS: don't think i've ever had anything to do with but instruction level locking mechanisms, so no idea |
| 21:35:12 | Oreo`Cookie | Ipod = Greatest invention ever? |
| 21:35:26 | GodEater_ | Galois: I'm just saying that particular bug is now fixed |
| 21:35:33 | Galois | good to know, thanks |
| 21:36:15 | preglow | Oreo`Cookie: well, no... |
| 21:36:23 | GodEater_ | Oreo`Cookie: definitely not |
| 21:36:27 | preglow | i think the plough rates slightly higher with most people |
| 21:36:29 | preglow | perhaps also the wheel |
| 21:36:31 | GodEater_ | I'd go with the wheel |
| 21:36:39 | Oreo`Cookie | the wheel? |
| 21:36:42 | Oreo`Cookie | lol |
| 21:36:46 | Oreo`Cookie | wow |
| 21:37:20 | jhMikeS | preglow: I'm just commenting on stuff. You did ask "how do you figure this stuff out?" Well...lots of BS talking and thinking has a way of converging on a solution. :) |
| 21:38:02 | preglow | bs, thinking and cigarettes |
| 21:38:07 | preglow | sounds like a good movie |
| 21:38:31 | Buschel | cigarettes are a good idea now... |
| 21:38:32 | jhMikeS | yeah, lots of cigarettes. should rockbox fund those? they're sure important. |
| 21:39:00 | GodEater_ | someone can take my share. Yuck |
| 21:40:24 | preglow | cigarettes never helps me having ideas |
| 21:40:36 | preglow | though i know of people who say they do |
| 21:40:45 | preglow | perhaps i need to move further away from the computer while having them... |
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| 21:45:04 | * | bluebrother wonders if usb ids should go to the devices configuration file or not |
| 21:45:05 | jhMikeS | preglow: by far the majority of ideas for me come at that time. it's really odd. and yeah. distance from the problem. |
| 21:45:09 | bluebrother | I guess they should |
| 21:45:38 | preglow | jhMikeS: i've got a musician friend who has tons of ideas when having a smoke, heh |
| 21:47:04 | preglow | so it seems to work for lots of people |
| 21:47:05 | jhMikeS | beer on the other hand helps when I don't want to get any ideas :P which is sometimes good. |
| 21:47:15 | preglow | haha |
| 21:47:23 | preglow | beer kills what little ability i have to concentrate |
| 21:51:29 | Oreo`Cookie | Yessss i got the video to play |
| 21:51:31 | Oreo`Cookie | awesome |
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| 21:54:57 | maxkelley | hey aqualung! |
| 21:55:08 | Ebert | has anyone reported on the gigabeat f series "recharge battery" when holding power button to boot up? |
| 21:55:33 | GodEater_ | Ebert: only when the battery needs recharging |
| 21:55:52 | Ebert | i get it randomly, when battery not out of charge |
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| 21:57:15 | Ebert | thought it might be part of the "50% power management" status on the player |
| 21:58:00 | preglow | amiconn: didn't you have a look at the codec makefile problem? |
| 21:58:10 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Thinking about it, why do we need the rbutil.ini file at all? |
| 21:58:19 | amiconn | preglow: No, why? |
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| 21:58:33 | amiconn | Btw, did you check my libmad fix on amd64? :) |
| 21:58:38 | preglow | amiconn: just wondering, but it seems my recollection is a bit off, then |
| 21:58:50 | preglow | amiconn: nope, i noticed it, but haven't tried it yet |
| 21:59:25 | bluebrother | linuxstb: to not have the device settings hard coded. It's build into the binary though ... |
| 21:59:32 | amiconn | There's still a crash condition in the sim on amd64 - track changes or skips whithout changing the codec |
| 21:59:43 | preglow | amiconn: yeah, i know, i never managed to debug that either |
| 21:59:47 | amiconn | It seems to be a symbol table problem, but I'm not sure |
| 21:59:49 | linuxstb | bluebrother: What's built into the binary? |
| 21:59:56 | bluebrother | the rbutil.ini file |
| 22:00 |
| 22:00:08 | bluebrother | but you can update it by putting it into the binary folder. |
| 22:00:09 | amiconn | The libmad fix was actually quite simple, as I thought |
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| 22:00:49 | linuxstb | bluebrother: IIUC, the only need to update rbutil is if 1) URLs change; or 2) we add new targets. I can't see why 1) would change (they are our URLs), and 2) will almost certainly require new programming in rbutil. |
| 22:01:28 | amiconn | The largest part was the datatype length issue in bit.c; plus 2 negated unsigned ints in synth.c |
| 22:02:29 | bluebrother | linuxstb: that's right. We could simply remove the fallback to an external rbutil.ini file |
| 22:02:48 | bluebrother | but using the ini file for a QSetting object makes some things quite nice. |
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| 22:03:51 | preglow | amiconn: in synth.c? i thought the problems came only after the bit.c commit |
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| 22:04:37 | amiconn | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=14636 |
| 22:05:25 | preglow | yes, lookie there... |
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| 22:06:14 | amiconn | preglow: The codec makefile actually has 2 problems. (1) it doesn't relink codecs for target if *only* a codec lib changed. (2) It *always* relinks codecs for the sim |
| 22:07:11 | amiconn | (2) Is most probably due to codec_crt0.o being deleted after linking, so it's rebuilt every time. But why for sim but not for target - I don't know... |
| 22:07:15 | linuxstb | I assume there would be no objections to stripping out the old x11/win32 sim sections in the Makefiles? |
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| 22:07:28 | linuxstb | (would simplify them...) |
| 22:07:50 | Bagder | kill them! |
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| 22:08:02 | preglow | linuxstb: go! |
| 22:08:08 | preglow | Bagder: have we had any mentor summit invitations? |
| 22:08:27 | Bagder | I don't even know what that is |
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| 22:08:48 | linuxstb | Did students get a chance to feedback to google on the mentoring organisations? |
| 22:08:53 | preglow | google has some kind of mentor gettogether |
| 22:09:03 | preglow | and we're invited in some way |
| 22:09:31 | preglow | Bagder: anyway, we're supposed to be mailed an invite |
| 22:09:48 | Bagder | I've certainly not gotten any |
| 22:10:06 | Bagder | and I think I'm still listed as the main gsoc admin for rockbox |
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| 22:12:45 | preglow | Bagder: *shrug* |
| 22:13:15 | preglow | i doubt too many of us are willing to pay for that kind of a trip anyway, Llorean is the only one based in the us |
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| 22:14:01 | Bagder | yeah |
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| 22:14:21 | Bagder | it'll cost a fortune for most of us |
| 22:14:26 | preglow | indeed |
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| 22:15:09 | bluebrother | pixelma: around? |
| 22:15:30 | pixelma | yes |
| 22:15:42 | bluebrother | can you check the usb ids of the m5 for me? |
| 22:16:19 | pixelma | if you tell me where I can find them (errm... Windows XP here) |
| 22:17:03 | pixelma | or maybe someone else can |
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| 22:18:58 | bluebrother | hmpf. Seems my net connection is broken |
| 22:19:12 | bluebrother | ah, no. It's just really heavy lag. |
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| 22:19:32 | bluebrother | check http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceDetection −− the usbids tool displays them |
| 22:19:36 | preglow | pixelma: btw, been wondering about this for a while, why does the nano usb plug graphic have a dot pattern for shadow instead of a solid gray colour? :> |
| 22:19:45 | einhirn | Good evening for everyone in CET and the like ;) |
| 22:20:01 | bluebrother | wow. 3 minutes lag :( |
| 22:20:25 | pixelma | preglow: to imitate transparency - so it doesn't look weird on a black background |
| 22:20:42 | preglow | pixelma: so our bitmaps have a transparent colour? |
| 22:20:51 | pixelma | semi-transparency that is |
| 22:21:19 | preglow | that good old glaring pink one? :P |
| 22:21:27 | pixelma | yes |
| 22:21:35 | preglow | okies, didn't know that |
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| 22:21:52 | Bagder | chroma key, as they call it... |
| 22:21:58 | einhirn | I have verified what I wrote in the patch tracker #7747 - the replaygain settings aren't applied on boot up. |
| 22:22:08 | bluebrother | if someone with x5v around, I would also be interested if that uses the same USB id as the X5 |
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| 22:23:59 | jhMikeS | preglow: magenta? more commonly known as 0xff00ff? :P |
| 22:24:02 | preglow | we need alpha channel support!!!! :PPP |
| 22:24:18 | preglow | jhMikeS: probably, all i know is i hate it with a passion |
| 22:24:19 | jhMikeS | preglow: I promise on that one |
| 22:24:34 | Bagder | there was some funky patch flying around with alpha toying |
| 22:24:40 | einhirn | The problem seems not with the loading of config files, because the settings are applied then - maybe settings from RTC-RAM or maybe the MAS-Reset in "mp3_init" (used in apps/main.c, defined in firmware/mp3_playback.c) |
| 22:24:53 | preglow | open source needs more gui people |
| 22:25:20 | maxkelley | yeah |
| 22:25:23 | Bagder | bluebrother: I think it is a pretty safe bet until someone can report back on it |
| 22:25:24 | jhMikeS | I do gui stuff |
| 22:25:50 | jhMikeS | got sick of it and went to hardware stuff and other stuff not gui stuff |
| 22:25:50 | preglow | jhMikeS: i get a feeling you do most stuff, heh |
| 22:26:14 | jhMikeS | that sounds perverted when you put it that way :( ;) |
| 22:26:21 | Bagder | hahah |
| 22:27:24 | preglow | nothing like good old-fashioned double entendre |
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| 22:30:18 | pixelma | bluebrother: I'm not sure if there's a difference (though I can imagine it) - but I can only test the side USB port until the weekend probably since I don't have a subpack, will update the wiki with that info in a minute though |
| 22:32:10 | bluebrother | great, thanks |
| 22:32:20 | pixelma | (it is a standard USB port, not OTG, and should be valid if one wants to install Rockbox) |
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| 22:32:47 | bluebrother | by detecting the side ports we could also tell the user if he needs to use a different port :) |
| 22:32:55 | jhMikeS | heh. "subpack" conjures pretty images too. /me goes back to work |
| 22:33:45 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I wonder if rbutil could detect devices in MTP mode... |
| 22:34:30 | bluebrother | according to the DeviceDetection wiki page some players show different usb ids in MTP mode, so it could use that information |
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| 22:36:58 | * | jhMikeS wonders about the CACHE_*_BASE registers |
| 22:37:14 | eigma | jhMikeS: I heard you're getting an m:robe 500i! |
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| 22:38:40 | jhMikeS | eigma: did you or someone send me one? I'm looking forward to it but this is the first I've been told. :) |
| 22:38:54 | eigma | yikes, I must have the wrong person |
| 22:39:42 | eigma | ah, confused you with jdGordon |
| 22:39:54 | jhMikeS | haha |
| 22:40:20 | jhMikeS | he's on the opposite side of the planet almost |
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| 22:44:46 | preglow | do any of the gigabeats have a tv output? :> |
| 22:45:03 | krazykit | the S might, in the OF |
| 22:45:11 | alienbiker99 | it does |
| 22:45:27 | krazykit | pretty sure the V does as well |
| 22:45:41 | * | n1s wonders if it is at all possible to find a gigabeat s on this side of the pond... |
| 22:45:55 | preglow | i'm starting to itch for something i can just connect to a tv and have play some movies |
| 22:45:55 | eigma | n1s: thanks for committing my patch :) |
| 22:45:57 | krazykit | n1s, the european side? |
| 22:46:17 | n1s | eigma: np, committing good patches is easy :-) |
| 22:46:21 | n1s | krazykit: yup |
| 22:46:58 | krazykit | i'm sure you can find someone on this side to send it to you |
| 22:48:36 | Bagder | talk nicely to scorche about it... :-) |
| 22:48:55 | scorche | heh |
| 22:49:33 | n1s | scorche: :-) |
| 22:50:16 | scorche | speaking of, linuxstb: GodEater_: i hadnt chosen which one of you to send the box to (or even if it would be cheaper that way) |
| 22:51:48 | n1s | scorche: I'm interested in one if it isn't too much trouble :-) |
| 22:52:30 | scorche | n1s: mind coming into #rockbox-community? (tis where i do my business ;) |
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| 22:58:33 | * | bluebrother just detected h120 based on usb id :) |
| 22:58:34 | einhirn | Ok, I fixed the "Replaygain Settings not loaded on boot" issue and saved nearly 200 Bytes firmware image size in the process ;) |
| 22:59:02 | * | Bagder offers einhirn a shiny "byte saver" badge to wear |
| 22:59:26 | einhirn | Badger: thanks *g* |
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| 23:03:37 | einhirn | Bagder: thanks for the badge - otoh I didn't keep track of how many bytes the replaygain support added to the firmware image *g* |
| 23:03:44 | sofianbabai | HELLO |
| 23:04:29 | sofianbabai | could we find here m. linus nielsen sometimes ? :) |
| 23:04:48 | linuxstb | Yes, m. linus is here sometimes. |
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| 23:05:02 | Bagder | m as in master I take it? |
| 23:05:25 | Bagder | master linus at times are here |
| 23:06:01 | sofianbabai | linuxstb: cuz i has accepted my patch (i have submitted the last time we talk), and he comments on it and give me instructions i didn't understand lol |
| 23:06:10 | sofianbabai | i'm relly new in submitting patch |
| 23:06:20 | sofianbabai | and dunno what to do now with it lol |
| 23:06:23 | * | bluebrother wonders whats so funny about this ... |
| 23:07:38 | linuxstb | What instructions did he give you? |
| 23:07:51 | sofianbabai | can someone telles me what exactly contains a .diff file we make for submission on the tracker ? |
| 23:08:29 | bluebrother | a diff contains differences between files. It's generated by the tool "diff" |
| 23:08:48 | bluebrother | usually you diff against svn, which makes it as easy as running "svn diff <files>" |
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| 23:09:51 | sofianbabai | bluebrother: and how a dev could tell me what to change and what to do just seeing a diff file. i can try to copy his comment in here |
| 23:10:09 | linuxstb | sofianbabai: Have you tried opening up a .diff file in a text editor and looking at it? |
| 23:10:13 | Bagder | sofianbabai: the diff output shows the differences you made |
| 23:10:42 | Bagder | and btw http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches has lots of info on this topic |
| 23:11:24 | sofianbabai | "that patch contains plenty of change a part from the missing strings. I will only appply the language file changes. please submit a new patch with the rest of the missing changesthe missing |
| 23:11:40 | Bagder | sofianbabai: and what is unclear in that message? |
| 23:11:43 | sofianbabai | whoops |
| 23:11:54 | sofianbabai | its aproximately that :) |
| 23:12:19 | bluebrother | do you have the FS number? |
| 23:12:21 | sofianbabai | linuxstb: no i haven't tried to open it |
| 23:12:28 | linuxstb | sofianbabai: Your .diff file contained differences for lots of different files, not just francais.lang |
| 23:12:34 | linuxstb | bluebrother: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7742 |
| 23:12:40 | sofianbabai | bluebrother: 7742 |
| 23:12:45 | bluebrother | thanks. |
| 23:13:16 | sofianbabai | linuxstb: ok! |
| 23:13:21 | linuxstb | sofianbabai: If you change lots of files, but only want to submit your changes for one file, type "svn diff apps/lang/francais.lang > lan_fr.diff" |
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| 23:13:23 | bluebrother | ah. As I said: if you only made changes to francais.lang, just "svn diff apps/langs/francais.lang" |
| 23:13:35 | bluebrother | this will only include changes to that file |
| 23:13:36 | sofianbabai | so how do i publish the changes only for the given file ? |
| 23:14:30 | bluebrother | just diff that single file and pipe it to a new file. |
| 23:14:43 | bluebrother | linuxstb gave you the complete command line |
| 23:14:56 | sofianbabai | bluebrother, linuxstb: thanks for the clear explanation, i understand now |
| 23:18:03 | pixelma | Chronon: around now? It sounded to me when discussing, that you had an idea how I can achieve this screenshot with overlay? |
| 23:18:36 | sofianbabai | and last question (sory): when the change are accepted by the masters, what would i have to do to make the changes visible for others? |
| 23:19:38 | n1s | sofianbabai: nothing, whoever accepts the patch will commit it to the svn repo for all to see and download |
| 23:20:07 | Chronon | pixelma: Not with true overlay. I was just thinking you could fake it by embedding the desired text into the image. This seems more amenable to the TeX −−> HTML converter. |
| 23:20:29 | sofianbabai | ok, i'll try to look and see how are made those diff files. thank you really for the nice help. |
| 23:20:42 | Chronon | But I'm not exactly sure about the screenshot you're trying to improve |
| 23:20:56 | pixelma | yes, that's what I thought too. But I hoped that someone has a "cleaner" solution |
| 23:22:33 | Chronon | pixelma: I'm not very familiar with the Tex4Ht converter that gets used here. I know some of these translators can be pretty finicky. |
| 23:24:02 | bluebrother | I never saw a latex to html converter that wasn't picky at all ;) |
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| 23:24:29 | Chronon | bluebrother: me either! |
| 23:26:13 | bluebrother | can someone confirm that "H300 MTP" entry at DeviceDetecion and possibly tell what it is? I suspect this being the OTG port |
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| 23:31:09 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I'm guessing it could be the US (DRM) firmware? |
| 23:32:43 | bluebrother | possibly |
| 23:35:06 | linuxstb | Are the 1st/2nd gen ipods firewire only? (i.e. no usb) |
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| 23:35:15 | bluebrother | I think so |
| 23:35:31 | pixelma | me too |
| 23:35:35 | n1s | bluebrother: I think so to, the port is labeled "media" on us h300 models and I am pretty certain it's MTP |
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| 23:36:13 | linuxstb | But all other ipods have firewire as well (apart from the Nano and Video), so a user may not be using USB... |
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| 23:51:37 | sofianbabai | lol again, a question on diff files lol . on the fs, if we want to download a patch in order to compile it in a new build, where do i put the downloaded diff file in order to be taken in account by the compile process? |
| 23:51:56 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
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| 23:52:11 | bluebrother | lol, I'm still wondering, lol, what's, lol, so funny, lol, about diffs. Lol. |
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| 23:52:22 | sofianbabai | clear, straightforward! :) i'll look at it thx :) |
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| 23:53:41 | sofianbabai | nothing funny :) just want to learn a bit in order to avoid disturb next time with stupid questions :) |
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