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| 00:17:12 | gregj | :] |
| 00:18:44 | einhirn | Ok, g'night everyone - gtg |
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| 00:27:30 | AussiedeviL | out of interest does anybody know if rockbox has been ported onto the creative zen vision yet? |
| 00:27:40 | bluebrother | no |
| 00:27:47 | eigma | port in progress, I believe; check the wiki |
| 00:28:11 | AussiedeviL | new i should have gone with an ipod or archos:) |
| 00:28:17 | bluebrother | I guess the "New ports" forums is better for the current status |
| 00:28:36 | AussiedeviL | ok cheers |
| 00:28:45 | Bagder | and not really "in progress" |
| 00:29:05 | Bagder | some people pop up asking for a port, then it goes back to sleep again until the next person pops up |
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| 00:31:05 | webguest56 | can i ask a quick off-topic question please, it's about ubuntu |
| 00:31:22 | eigma | webguest56: NO. the #ubuntu is in #ubuntu |
| 00:31:31 | * | bluebrother points to the topic |
| 00:31:49 | scorche | eigma: caps arent really needed... |
| 00:31:57 | webguest56 | how do i get into the #ubuntu irc? |
| 00:32:08 | Bagder | you use an irc client! |
| 00:32:08 | scorche | you cant using our webclient |
| 00:32:21 | scorche | java.freenode.net |
| 00:32:24 | scorche | try that one |
| 00:32:34 | webguest56 | ok, thank you |
| 00:36:07 | eigma | scorche: the same thing happened yesterday, that's all |
| 00:37:15 | scorche | eigma: yes, but caps is generally not necessary and can turn the polite "move on" nudge into something more hostile |
| 00:37:24 | eigma | fair enough. |
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| 00:49:45 | naurus | hello again everybody |
| 00:49:56 | naurus | hello again |
| 00:50:45 | naurus | i'd like to know how to get a good screen shot of a theme i made for the sansa e200 series |
| 00:51:36 | naurus | i have the emulator, but it gives me a warning about the codec and it wont let me get a good screenie off |
| 00:51:46 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump |
| 00:52:19 | naurus | sweet i'll check it out |
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| 00:53:43 | amiconn | Hmm, now bluebrother is gone.... |
| 00:54:09 | amiconn | Detecting devices mainly via usb device id isn't such a good idea |
| 00:54:28 | amiconn | What if you install on an ipod via firewire? |
| 00:54:55 | linuxstb | amiconn: I mentioned that earlier... |
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| 00:55:03 | amiconn | Plus the 1st/2nd gen are firewire _only_ |
| 00:55:15 | linuxstb | I also mentioned that ;) |
| 00:55:58 | amiconn | Hmm, didn't spot that |
| 00:56:33 | linuxstb | But I don't think that should stop rbutil using usb detection - it's probably how most people connect their DAPs. |
| 00:58:56 | linuxstb | Do you have any idea if there's an equivalent to USB IDs in the firewire world? |
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| 01:02:23 | * | linuxstb answers his own question - "firmware_revision 0x0a2700, vendor_id 0x000a27, model_id 0x00007e" (ipod Color via firewire) |
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| 01:04:24 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Do you want my libusb-ppc.a ? |
| 01:04:29 | n1s | It seems like rbutil will have to learn many tricks to be able to reliably detect all our targets on windows/linux/macosx... |
| 01:04:36 | barrywardell | linuxstb: yes please |
| 01:04:54 | amiconn | linuxstb: Where do you see that? |
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| 01:05:02 | barrywardell | I can give you my i386 version if you need it too? |
| 01:05:14 | linuxstb | amiconn: In /var/log/messages |
| 01:05:30 | linuxstb | Try "grep ieee1394 /var/log/messages" after attaching something |
| 01:05:41 | amiconn | eummm |
| 01:05:54 | amiconn | I can't - my only firewire equipped box is my windows laptop |
| 01:06:03 | linuxstb | barrywardell: It won't hurt - at least we can then both compile. |
| 01:06:20 | mcphail | Can i thank the devs working on the iPod3g version. It has been months since I tried this, and it is now much better. |
| 01:06:22 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I'll also give you my usb.h, in case there are differences... |
| 01:06:39 | linuxstb | mcphail: I think you just have amiconn to thank for that. |
| 01:07:43 | mcphail | Well, thanks amiconn! Is there a 3g roadmap/todo list i can contribute to? |
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| 01:08:37 | n1s | mcphail: you can post feature request if you feel they are apropriate |
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| 01:09:00 | * | n1s should get some sleep now |
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| 01:09:43 | mschneider | I have a question about the file browsing system: is there on function called to enter a directory that could easily be modified? |
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| 01:11:48 | barrywardell | linuxstb: barrywardell.net/assets/files/libusb-i386.tar.gz">http://barrywardell.net/assets/files/libusb-i386.tar.gz |
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| 01:12:26 | naurus | and i'm back again! |
| 01:13:25 | naurus | now i'd like to know if its possible for rockbox to say "music" instead of "database" in the menu |
| 01:13:50 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Thanks. http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/usbppc.tgz |
| 01:14:01 | barrywardell | thanks |
| 01:14:52 | linuxstb | naurus: Only if you change the source code and compile Rockbox yourself. (or possibly, just the .lang file and create a new .lng) |
| 01:15:09 | naurus | i'll check out the lang |
| 01:15:44 | naurus | is there software to open the .lng file? |
| 01:16:01 | barrywardell | linuxstb: there's a one line difference in usb.h |
| 01:16:35 | linuxstb | Hmm, the endian thing... |
| 01:16:42 | naurus | nvm, it works in notepad |
| 01:16:53 | barrywardell | yup, USB_LE16_TO_CPU |
| 01:16:56 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I think that's OK - our code isn't using that macro. |
| 01:17:33 | barrywardell | ah, good |
| 01:17:36 | linuxstb | Did you see my changes to the e200rpatcher makefile? |
| 01:17:55 | * | amiconn wonders what linux chooses to display as 'model id' for a firewire device |
| 01:18:16 | linuxstb | amiconn: Have you found the info in Windows? |
| 01:18:16 | amiconn | Only the vendor id is mandatory for firewire devices iiuc |
| 01:18:25 | barrywardell | yes, they look good. couldn't test them without the ppc libusb |
| 01:19:43 | amiconn | Still searching... |
| 01:19:57 | linuxstb | barrywardell: It feels like a bit of a hack, but the whole Makefile is a bit like that - building many different targets without a configure script to help the process. |
| 01:20:46 | naurus | the .lng file didn't work |
| 01:20:50 | linuxstb | I wouldn't like to have to try and incorporate static linking of libusb into the Universal binary of rbutil... |
| 01:21:06 | barrywardell | yeah, there's no easy way to do it |
| 01:21:16 | naurus | is there a hex editor that will work with the .rock file? |
| 01:21:39 | barrywardell | apple strongly discourages static linking of libraries |
| 01:21:50 | scorche | naurus: a hex editor is just a hex editor... |
| 01:22:13 | naurus | i meant a resource hacker |
| 01:22:15 | naurus | sorry |
| 01:22:34 | naurus | and i also meant for the mi4 file format |
| 01:22:46 | scorche | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 01:23:16 | naurus | Changing common phrases in the menus |
| 01:23:25 | scorche | just recompile.. |
| 01:23:26 | naurus | like change "database" to "my music" |
| 01:23:47 | linuxstb | naurus: I just told you, it's in the .lng file. |
| 01:23:53 | naurus | so the only way is to set up a dev environment |
| 01:24:04 | naurus | i tried the .lng, but it didn't work |
| 01:24:07 | * | linuxstb realises it's not and apologises |
| 01:24:09 | linuxstb | Sorry... |
| 01:24:18 | naurus | lol |
| 01:24:25 | naurus | its all good |
| 01:24:38 | scorche | setting up a dev environment is much easier than figuring out where to edit in a binary file...as well, it will last through revisions whereas a binary patch would not |
| 01:24:41 | linuxstb | The default language is compiled into Rockbox, so my very first answer applies - you need to edit the .lang file and recompile. |
| 01:25:39 | naurus | ohhhh, ok, but i have to do it all from source |
| 01:25:55 | scorche | yes, which is much easier than binary pathcing.. |
| 01:25:57 | barrywardell | linuxstb: i just built a universal binary, but it's not working. the e200rpatcher-i386 version does work though??? |
| 01:26:03 | naurus | thats fine, i need to make some other changes anyway, so i'll set up a build envo |
| 01:26:09 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Hmm, that's odd... |
| 01:26:55 | linuxstb | In what way does it not work? |
| 01:27:07 | barrywardell | found e200r, error writing data |
| 01:27:14 | barrywardell | i'll try to debug further |
| 01:27:26 | linuxstb | So same error that you had earlier? |
| 01:27:38 | barrywardell | and now it worked |
| 01:27:48 | barrywardell | yes, same as earlier |
| 01:27:54 | barrywardell | maybe it's a bit flakey after all |
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| 01:29:02 | barrywardell | it seems to work the second time it's run |
| 01:29:04 | linuxstb | You could compare e200rpatcher with the e200tool source, but I think that part is in effect identical - there's only one way to send data... |
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| 01:30:12 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Ah, e200tool displays more info for the error - fprintf(stderr, "\nBulk write error (%d, %s)\n", ret, strerror(-ret)); |
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| 01:32:32 | barrywardell | it seems to work and not work randomly |
| 01:33:06 | linuxstb | Can you try displaying the return code (and error message) ? |
| 01:34:17 | barrywardell | yeah, trying that now. but where is strerror? |
| 01:34:19 | linuxstb | You could also try modifying TOUT (the timeout) and MAX_TRANSFER (the size in bytes of each transfer). |
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| 01:34:58 | linuxstb | string.h according to the manpage |
| 01:35:45 | barrywardell | yup, that's it. thanks |
| 01:36:53 | linuxstb | BTW, if you can improve the instructions or other output in e200rpatcher, feel free. |
| 01:37:30 | barrywardell | Bulk write error (-1, Operation not permitted) |
| 01:37:45 | barrywardell | and then it worked the second time around |
| 01:38:02 | linuxstb | That's strange - that the first write (of the length) succeeded, but the write in the while() loop didn't. |
| 01:38:20 | barrywardell | I sometimes also get the length writing error now |
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| 01:39:02 | linuxstb | So you don't disconnect your Sansa between attempts? |
| 01:39:17 | barrywardell | no |
| 01:39:26 | linuxstb | Hmm, then maybe simply make it retry? |
| 01:39:35 | barrywardell | i have three different experiences: |
| 01:39:40 | barrywardell | 1) it works first time |
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| 01:39:52 | naurus | can somebody point me to the page that explains dev environments, i can't find it [embarrased] |
| 01:40:08 | barrywardell | 2) it writes the length but not the data the first time i run, but works the next time with the sansa still connected |
| 01:40:10 | scorche | hit the index link on the sidebar |
| 01:40:12 | linuxstb | Click on "index" under Documentation, then the "For Developers" section |
| 01:40:14 | barrywardell | 3) it fails writing the length |
| 01:40:39 | linuxstb | And with 2) the application runs correctly on your Sansa? |
| 01:41:13 | barrywardell | yes |
| 01:41:38 | barrywardell | 2 is the most common as well |
| 01:41:44 | linuxstb | It could be worth trying to compile e200tool, and see if that works any differently. |
| 01:42:07 | linuxstb | But I can't see anything it does differently... |
| 01:42:23 | linuxstb | (apart from retrying the detection if it fails) |
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| 01:43:46 | linuxstb | But anyway, I need to sleep (early train to catch tomorrow). Goodnight |
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| 01:45:03 | naurus | can somebody point me to the page that explains dev environments, i can't find it [embarrased] |
| 01:45:36 | scorche | we just did |
| 01:45:41 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 01:46:29 | barrywardell | hmmm. e200tool has the same problems |
| 01:46:41 | Soap | is a link which covers all the topics: From getting a dev environment set up, to patching, to compiling, to working with SVN, to sacrificing kittens to Satan. |
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| 01:47:00 | scorche | and your first-born to me, of course |
| 01:49:25 | barrywardell | and i get different symptoms on different usb ports. 1) and 2) on one port, 1) and 3) on the other |
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| 01:51:03 | barrywardell | and TOUT and MAX_TRANSFER don't affect things |
| 01:51:07 | pixelma | someone with a C200 around? |
| 01:51:16 | barrywardell | or the libusb version |
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| 02:02:05 | amiconn | humm. |
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| 02:02:36 | amiconn | Even if we find out how to read the firewire model_id on winodws, 1st/2nd gen and 3rd gen ipods can't be distinguished :( |
| 02:03:04 | amiconn | They both report the same model id (0x000000) |
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| 02:23:06 | amiconn | gah |
| 02:23:20 | amiconn | Routing loop again, no access to www.rockbox.org :( |
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| 02:23:54 | amiconn | ...hmm, fixed?!?!? |
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| 02:34:56 | zabow | hi, are questions potentially addressed here? |
| 02:35:34 | Febs | Yes ... once they're actually asked. ;) |
| 02:35:48 | zabow | heh .. that was crossing my mind |
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| 02:36:03 | zabow | I have a Sansa e250R ... |
| 02:36:25 | * | scorche hides |
| 02:36:40 | zabow | I have read the instructions about three times, downloaded a version of Linux .. formatted my drive, and completed the instructions |
| 02:36:48 | zabow | to a T |
| 02:37:01 | zabow | <pokes under rock looking for scorche> |
| 02:37:27 | * | scorche refuses to come out unless a question is asked...and even then, it is dodgy |
| 02:37:30 | zabow | it isn't dead, but .... well, nothing |
| 02:37:41 | scorche | define nothing |
| 02:38:02 | zabow | sorry, after rebooting ... try sansapatcher, but nothing |
| 02:38:10 | zabow | it doesn't find my device |
| 02:38:27 | scorche | do the instructions say to use sansapatcher? |
| 02:38:53 | zabow | after the e200tool, it says to continue installation normally |
| 02:39:18 | scorche | what instructions are you following? |
| 02:39:25 | zabow | now I evidently can't find the instructions .. is the web page down? |
| 02:39:36 | scorche | i can navigate teh site just fine |
| 02:40:05 | zabow | I did this yesterday, and was going back for try number two .. |
| 02:40:06 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation are the instructions you should have followed |
| 02:40:13 | zabow | GRRR .. boy do I feel dumb, |
| 02:40:40 | zabow | going back to instructions .. these are the ones .. |
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| 02:41:05 | zabow | thanks |
| 02:41:42 | scorche | make sure and read those carefully and follow those to a T as well ;) |
| 02:42:04 | scorche | wait...you formatted your drive?!? |
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| 02:47:04 | advcomp2019 | zabow, what do you mean by you formatted your drive? |
| 02:47:42 | zabow | I installed Mandriva |
| 02:48:37 | zabow | nothing bad :) |
| 02:48:55 | scorche | did you mean you formatted your sansa? |
| 02:49:04 | zabow | but I can't get my Citrix Client to work either .. will get back to that after I get Rockbox working |
| 02:49:31 | zabow | nope .. my laptop, so I could install Linux, so I could in turn try out the instructions on the e200R |
| 02:50:08 | scorche | ah...good |
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| 02:50:55 | scorche | although the "nothing bad" about mandriva can be disputed... |
| 02:51:16 | zabow | yeah, I kinda like Mandriva, but I think I will install a couple of others .. I used to be BSD guy |
| 02:51:45 | zabow | but those were minimalist installs for servers .. I haven't gone the way of 6.2 yet |
| 02:52:10 | * | scorche points towards #rockbox-community |
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| 03:07:20 | floam | some people here might find these full resolution shots of the ipod classic vivisection useful: |
| 03:07:40 | floam | floam.sh.nu/static/d/front.jpeg">http://floam.sh.nu/static/d/front.jpeg http://floam.sh.nu/static/d/back.jpeg |
| 03:09:52 | scorche | i assume this is your device? |
| 03:10:02 | floam | you assume wrong |
| 03:10:22 | floam | ifixit posted low-resolution versions a few days ago |
| 03:10:29 | floam | I just rang them up and asked for the original images |
| 03:10:50 | floam | I do have a classic, though :P |
| 03:10:51 | scorche | ah |
| 03:11:02 | floam | and it's slow as hell |
| 03:11:45 | scorche | the marker is hard to see...one would like to have a bit of something overlayed that says what one can read off the chips |
| 03:12:05 | floam | well, the ARM chip on there is the exact same chip as is on the Nano |
| 03:12:12 | floam | and the photograph of that is perfectly legible |
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| 03:40:23 | Shane_e250r | Has anyone got rockbox on there sansa e200r by using some form of windows installer or bootlooder patcher for windows??? |
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| 03:42:53 | zabow | shane? |
| 03:43:02 | zabow | oh well |
| 03:45:09 | zabow | oh well .. .tired of goofing around .. time to get some nap time .. |
| 03:45:16 | zabow | thanks again scorche |
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| 03:49:31 | marckie | hi. how do i know if my nano is 1st or 2nd gen? its 4Gb. |
| 03:50:00 | alienbiker99 | does it have a silver back and a white or black top |
| 03:50:06 | marckie | yes |
| 03:50:15 | marckie | silverback, black top |
| 03:50:20 | alienbiker99 | than its a 1st gen |
| 03:50:48 | marckie | cool. how does a 2nd gen look like? |
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| 03:52:58 | marckie | rockbox is not linux, is it? |
| 03:53:19 | krazykit | nope |
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| 04:37:18 | webguest44 | By the help of a little comrade, my sansa e200r now dualboots. Isnt that cool? |
| 04:38:03 | webguest44 | Now, about the rockboxed missles and toasters....and installing rockbox to my face... |
| 04:39:28 | webguest44 | Hey, big bambi! |
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| 04:40:30 | DavidGWRawson | webguest, your spamming |
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| 04:41:25 | JimmyBob | Hey kids, im jimmy bob |
| 04:41:34 | DavidGWRawson | I don't care. |
| 04:41:46 | JimmyBob | Hello david. |
| 04:41:52 | DavidGWRawson | Hello jimmy. |
| 04:42:06 | JimmyBob | What's |
| 04:42:08 | DavidGWRawson | UP!! |
| 04:42:17 | JimmyBob | Hows |
| 04:42:19 | DavidGWRawson | it |
| 04:42:24 | JimmyBob | hangin |
| 04:42:34 | DavidGWRawson | Ok, shut up! |
| 04:42:43 | DavidGWRawson | Get out!! |
| 04:42:51 | JimmyBob | Make me! |
| 04:42:59 | DavidGWRawson | Im leaving |
| 04:43:05 | JimmyBob | Mee too! |
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| 04:52:28 | iamben | good thing we have that web client, huh? |
| 04:52:45 | kkurbjun | yeah, it's always nice to see people talking to themselves |
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| 05:01:59 | Blade | Hi |
| 05:02:19 | iamben | hello |
| 05:02:31 | iamben | anyone now where the "major changes" link moved to on the homepage? |
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| 05:03:09 | Blade | none that I know of, sory. |
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| 05:17:48 | HeyLittleBoy | Hello |
| 05:17:59 | HeyLittleBoy | Nice Chatroom. |
| 05:18:07 | krazykit | iamben, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
| 05:18:13 | HeyLittleBoy | Hi |
| 05:18:37 | krazykit | hi. |
| 05:18:38 | HeyLittleBoy | iambic Pentamiter |
| 05:18:58 | krazykit | HeyLittleBoy, this is an on-topic support channel. please read the channel guidelines linked in the topic |
| 05:19:16 | HeyLittleBoy | Ok |
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| 05:19:50 | DavidGWRawson | Hello |
| 05:20:16 | DavidGWRawson | Hey there, Davey. |
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| 05:20:40 | HeyLittleBoy | What was that? |
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| 05:22:20 | DavidGWRawson | Alright, my sansa e200"R" is now dualbooting, thanks to a comrade's help on this link: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12502.30 |
| 05:22:27 | DavidGWRawson | you should commend him |
| 05:23:28 | DavidGWRawson | Why does rockbox use so much battery power? |
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| 05:24:54 | krazykit | various reasons, including hardware not being initialized quite right, or certain things that we don't know how to turn off. |
| 05:25:06 | krazykit | and it's only a problem in portalplayers |
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| 05:26:06 | eigma | #rockbox-community |
| 05:26:16 | eigma | oops |
| 05:26:23 | krazykit | don't forget the /join ;) |
| 05:26:33 | eigma | yeah, heh |
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| 06:32:00 | scorche | DavidGWRawson: i dont want to see that again |
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| 06:36:19 | sp3ilmitkurt | Hi |
| 06:38:14 | sp3ilmitkurt | Anyone there? |
| 06:38:30 | scorche | i see 133 people |
| 06:38:49 | sp3ilmitkurt | join #rockbox-community |
| 06:38:57 | scorche | i am there... |
| 06:39:16 | sp3ilmitkurt | I was trying to join |
| 06:39:44 | sp3ilmitkurt | Hey do you know is it's possible to run rock box on zune? |
| 06:40:06 | scorche | the front page lists all devices that rockbox works on |
| 06:40:40 | sp3ilmitkurt | Yeah someone was telling me that the zune is actually known as the gigabeat tho |
| 06:41:14 | scorche | there are many different gigabeats |
| 06:42:11 | sp3ilmitkurt | thats why im here for help |
| 06:42:48 | scorche | the zune is similar to the gigabeat S which rockbox does not support at this time...and it isnt the same even then |
| 06:43:41 | sp3ilmitkurt | Bummer |
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| 06:43:56 | sp3ilmitkurt | Then this piece of crap is being sold for a new 160 gig ipod |
| 06:44:11 | scorche | which also doesnt run rockbox |
| 06:44:34 | sp3ilmitkurt | True |
| 06:44:41 | sp3ilmitkurt | But it has coverflow :) |
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| 06:53:25 | DavidGWRawson | Thanks to the people in the forums to help me, rockbox is installed 100% on my 'R' series, dualboot and everything. |
| 06:53:39 | sp3ilmitkurt | R series what? |
| 06:53:48 | DavidGWRawson | sansa rhapsody |
| 06:53:52 | sp3ilmitkurt | oh |
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| 06:54:29 | GeorgeBush | Hey everyone! |
| 06:54:32 | JdGordon | what a whitty nick :p |
| 06:54:37 | JdGordon | you clever person! |
| 06:54:44 | Llorean | DavidGWRawson: You've been warned about doing such things. |
| 06:54:48 | Llorean | This is an on-topic channel. |
| 06:54:54 | DavidGWRawson | What things? |
| 06:55:04 | scorche | DavidGWRawson: do not play coy...we know that is you |
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| 06:55:26 | Llorean | Opening a second web client window doesn't hide the fact that it's coming from the same computer. |
| 06:55:35 | DavidGWRawson | You got me :( |
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| 06:55:53 | Llorean | You need to behave, this is an on-topic channel. Rules are enforced here just like the forums |
| 06:56:19 | sp3ilmitkurt | So is there any possible progress on zune ? |
| 06:56:36 | DavidGWRawson | Wouldn't zune be a little hard? |
| 06:56:42 | scorche | sp3ilmitkurt: no one is working on it |
| 06:56:53 | sp3ilmitkurt | Why is that? :( |
| 06:56:55 | DavidGWRawson | Especially with song transfer capabilities |
| 06:57:08 | DavidGWRawson | Sending songs to other people. |
| 06:57:22 | sp3ilmitkurt | It takes me hours to put a damn song on my zune. |
| 06:57:28 | sp3ilmitkurt | The program freezes |
| 06:57:32 | scorche | well, regardless, that is offtopic |
| 06:58:08 | DavidGWRawson | Would you have to completly rewrite rockbox to work with sansa connect's wifi capability? |
| 06:58:10 | sp3ilmitkurt | How so |
| 06:58:28 | Llorean | sp3ilmitkurt: It's off topic any problems the original firmware has. |
| 06:58:31 | sp3ilmitkurt | I would just want rockbox to be able to use anything but the zune software |
| 06:58:40 | Llorean | sp3ilmitkurt: The reason nobody's working on it is because the people who own them (like you) all expect someone else to do it. |
| 06:58:50 | sp3ilmitkurt | HAHAHA |
| 06:58:54 | DavidGWRawson | Donate your zune to them. |
| 06:59:00 | scorche | that wasnt a joke... |
| 06:59:01 | sp3ilmitkurt | If I knew how I would. |
| 06:59:09 | DavidGWRawson | Mail it. |
| 06:59:33 | sp3ilmitkurt | P.P |
| 06:59:38 | sp3ilmitkurt | When I get my 160 gig |
| 06:59:40 | sp3ilmitkurt | I'm donating it |
| 06:59:48 | Llorean | sp3ilmitkurt: Well, it takes a very large amount of work, and time, and someone who really really wants it to work |
| 06:59:59 | Llorean | Which is why it depends on people who actually wanted to buy that player |
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| 07:00:16 | sp3ilmitkurt | But then i'll be annoyed about not having rock box on my 160 gig |
| 07:00:24 | kkurbjun | There have been people that looked into the Zune and ran into problems with the digital signature checks |
| 07:00:26 | DavidGWRawson | sp3ilmitkurt, you make it work for zune then, the source files are available |
| 07:00:37 | sp3ilmitkurt | I'm a newb coder. |
| 07:00:40 | sp3ilmitkurt | I'm 15 |
| 07:00:45 | DavidGWRawson | im 15 |
| 07:00:48 | DavidGWRawson | +1 |
| 07:00:49 | kkurbjun | it would be like hacking the sansa R without e200 tool |
| 07:00:51 | sp3ilmitkurt | Doubt I'd be able to do it |
| 07:01:06 | DavidGWRawson | that would be hard without e200tool |
| 07:01:33 | sp3ilmitkurt | What would be capable with zune and rock box/ |
| 07:01:46 | DavidGWRawson | Wait, you can take your zune, put rocks in it, and call it rockbox. Good enough for you? |
| 07:01:51 | * | Llorean sighs |
| 07:01:53 | Llorean | Guys, ON TOPIC |
| 07:02:07 | sp3ilmitkurt | How is talking about Rockbox off topic? |
| 07:02:16 | Llorean | Talking about a box full of Rocks is. |
| 07:02:22 | sp3ilmitkurt | I wasn't |
| 07:02:34 | DavidGWRawson | Sorry. |
| 07:02:40 | Llorean | As for what Rockbox on Zune could do, it's the same as Rockbox anywhere else |
| 07:03:00 | sp3ilmitkurt | You don't think because of the wifi anything new would be avalible |
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| 07:03:26 | Llorean | Rockbox wouldn't magically gain wifi capabilities by simply being on wifi hardware |
| 07:03:31 | Llorean | If someone added it in the future, then sure. |
| 07:03:38 | DavidGWRawson | OOOH! Make a wifi web browser for zune, if you ever make it work for zune! |
| 07:04:12 | sp3ilmitkurt | as far as im concerned I feel jipped with my zune and miss my creative zen vision :m |
| 07:04:13 | DavidGWRawson | Professor Zunia.... |
| 07:04:46 | DavidGWRawson | Ask microsoft for the tools to make firmware. Try it, |
| 07:04:56 | scorche | DavidGWRawson: i have given you enough warnings |
| 07:05:04 | DavidGWRawson | ok, i'll leave |
| 07:05:32 | scorche | you dont have to leave...just follow our guidelines..it isnt that hard |
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| 07:05:50 | ptw419 | he shoulda donated his zune to me ;) |
| 07:06:03 | scorche | "he" is still here |
| 07:06:06 | sp3ilmitkurt | he didn't have a zune |
| 07:06:08 | sp3ilmitkurt | I did |
| 07:06:25 | ptw419 | ah wrong person |
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| 07:06:36 | Llorean | I'm sure someone will find a way past the signature check eventually. |
| 07:06:42 | Llorean | Until then, there's not much sense worrying about it |
| 07:06:44 | ptw419 | eventually |
| 07:06:59 | DomasoFan | Good morning. Can someone tell me how good the recording quality is when files are recorded on a sansa e 200 series player? |
| 07:07:00 | ptw419 | by the time zune 2 comes around |
| 07:07:05 | kkurbjun | yeah.. zunepet seems to be playing around with the font hacks |
| 07:07:36 | ptw419 | ah really? someone from zune scene dropped by the other day and said something about font hacks |
| 07:07:37 | kkurbjun | or at least making suggestions on how to break it |
| 07:07:41 | Llorean | DomasoFan: Pretty bad, it's limited to a max of 22.1khz |
| 07:07:59 | ptw419 | kkurbjun: got any links w/ that info on it? |
| 07:08:25 | sp3ilmitkurt | Wooooooo font hackz1! |
| 07:08:27 | ptw419 | knowing the zune scene they'd probably try to keep any real work secret though |
| 07:08:33 | kkurbjun | http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/search.php?searchid=69109 look at his posts on zune supporting unicode |
| 07:08:34 | ptw419 | if any |
| 07:08:57 | ptw419 | sp3ilmitkurt: anythings possible |
| 07:09:08 | ptw419 | kkurbjun: thanks |
| 07:09:25 | kkurbjun | generally he's vague, and it's not apparent if he's actually working on crashing the font engine |
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| 07:10:55 | kkurbjun | oh, never mind |
| 07:11:06 | ptw419 | it would be real interesting to see how they crack it, if they do |
| 07:11:08 | kkurbjun | he found out how to revert to different firmware versions |
| 07:11:31 | kkurbjun | "NOTE: it is a very limited hack. It will let you install the 4 TTC Asian font collections. It will let you revert to older versions of the official firmware. It will let you explore other exploits." |
| 07:11:40 | kkurbjun | "It won't let you run homebrew (at least not yet; hopefully someone will find an exploit to make it possible)" |
| 07:12:18 | Llorean | For some reason the term "Homebrew" always seems to mean "I want to put emulators on it" to me. |
| 07:12:29 | kkurbjun | haha |
| 07:13:08 | ptw419 | hehe |
| 07:13:16 | kkurbjun | I guess he's still not past the digital signatures yet, the other firmwares are likely still signed |
| 07:13:55 | Llorean | So are those fonts part of a signed package that he just convinces it to install when it didn't want to? |
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| 07:14:18 | ptw419 | technically, it sounds like they have found a "limited" way of bypassing the sig's though if they can alter the font and revert firmwares |
| 07:14:41 | ptw419 | Llorean: i believe the fonts are in the signed nk.bin |
| 07:15:15 | ptw419 | but i may be wrong.... |
| 07:16:30 | sp3ilmitkurt | signed in .ink |
| 07:17:10 | ptw419 | it seems in the firmware partition on the S, there is a directory containing fonts. but i could have sworn in the nk.bin from the S it also contained fonts... |
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| 07:45:39 | Ave | ahha, another nano 0xc0005 user having "warm up" glitch problems |
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| 07:55:01 | Llorean | Ave: And? |
| 07:55:13 | Ave | another one :P |
| 07:55:23 | Ave | so I'm not imagining the whatever it is |
| 07:55:31 | Llorean | Nobody every said you were... |
| 07:55:42 | Ave | I for one felt like it based on other writings |
| 07:55:46 | Llorean | In fact we've openly admitted there's a nano problem and have been trying to talk people into properly researched it. |
| 07:55:58 | Ave | what is there to be done? |
| 07:56:02 | Ave | that'd help |
| 07:56:03 | Llorean | Figure out what causes the problem. |
| 07:56:09 | Ave | ah that easy |
| 07:56:16 | Llorean | Oh really? |
| 07:56:27 | Ave | I mean like something simple like elimination techniques |
| 07:56:36 | Ave | cant just pull the answer out of my hat |
| 07:57:04 | Llorean | Yeah, you people who are having the problem need to start working on eliminating things |
| 07:57:13 | Llorean | Those of us who have working Nano's can't experiment |
| 07:57:57 | Llorean | We've showed that it's not just heat (by heating ours up quite a lot and showing they still work), we've showed that it's not the retail firmware version, we've showed that it's not one of the known hardware variances because one person who's experiencing it has the same hardware revisions as me. |
| 07:58:06 | Ave | I'm open to experimentation but dont know where to begin, its not like its beneficial to just start poking random values in the pp clock setup code and see what happnes |
| 07:58:31 | Llorean | It's not the clock setup that's the problem, though. |
| 07:58:46 | Ave | yeah, proper |
| 07:59:02 | Llorean | So why would you poke at those values? |
| 07:59:16 | Ave | because I dont know what else to do |
| 07:59:32 | Ave | not clock setup, not firmware, not hw rev, not heat |
| 07:59:53 | Llorean | Did you miss the point where we said "We think it's likely to do with ATA timing?" |
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| 08:00:14 | Ave | no that was in the very beginning why the info was being requested on the tracker |
| 08:00:30 | Llorean | Yes, and did you at any point see us say "No, it's not that"? |
| 08:00:36 | Llorean | That still needs to be investigate quite a bit. |
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| 08:01:05 | Ave | ok |
| 08:01:35 | Llorean | Unfortunately it requires investigation on a non-working Nano, since you can't test code quickly without one at hand |
| 08:02:15 | Llorean | But either way, nobody has claimed that this problem doesn't exist. |
| 08:02:23 | Llorean | If we thought it didn't exist, we'd close the task. |
| 08:03:15 | Ave | yes indeed |
| 08:03:51 | Llorean | But it seems that, on the average, people experiencing the bug would just rather roll back to the old revision. |
| 08:04:19 | Ave | well, I'm using my player almost daily for listening purposes and I'm using r14003 or so.. |
| 08:04:27 | Ave | but its no problem to upgrade |
| 08:04:42 | Llorean | What I mean is that nobody experiencing the problem is really trying to investigate. |
| 08:05:07 | Ave | I |
| 08:05:24 | Ave | 'll try to make an effort, but my knowledge of rb internals is shaky so I need some assitance |
| 08:06:25 | Llorean | What may be needed is for someone to investigate what the Apple firmware does, compare what we do, and experiment. |
| 08:06:44 | Llorean | It's probably going to require someone to either spend some time learning quite a bit, or someone who's already quite advanced and has one of these players. |
| 08:07:18 | Ave | the chance of latter happening seems quite slim |
| 08:07:41 | Ave | unless someone sends you guys a borked player |
| 08:08:16 | Llorean | You have to find someone who's knowledgeable enough and willing to work on it. For example, I'm not versed enough in the low level code to be able to do so much quirker than someone starting from scratch. |
| 08:08:29 | Llorean | But yes, sending a player to an interested dev would be a very good solution |
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| 08:21:02 | amiconn | Even a working nano could help in solving the problem, but of course a glitching one would be more helpful |
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| 08:22:33 | amiconn | There is a *known* ata problem affecting all nanos which is just worked around in the rockbox code atm. I think that this general problem and the instability on a fraction of nanos are related. |
| 08:22:59 | Llorean | amiconn: Would it also relate to the occasional disk corruption an even smaller number of nanos are seeing? |
| 08:23:41 | amiconn | possibly |
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| 08:44:18 | GodEater | a hot potato that's getting hotter it seems |
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| 08:45:40 | Llorean | Most people seem to agree they'd do whatever "the project" decides is best, though |
| 08:45:41 | GodEater | morning B4gder |
| 08:45:58 | B4gder | morning! |
| 08:46:14 | GodEater | Llorean: it would seem so - but there's a definite split in people's opinions on the GPLv3/v2 issue |
| 08:46:48 | GodEater | also, karl says he's not keen to do the copyright thing it would seem |
| 08:46:51 | Llorean | Well, I think "GPLv3 has grander goals, but GPLv2 is more likely to benefit Rockbox in the long term" |
| 08:47:22 | GodEater | my personal opinion is that "with gplv3, the FSF has lost it's marbles" - but that's just me |
| 08:47:42 | Llorean | I understand the intent of the GPLv3, but I can't imagine it actually achieving that. |
| 08:47:50 | GodEater | "its marbles" <−− my mother would shoot me |
| 08:47:56 | GodEater | nor I |
| 08:48:14 | JdGordon | Linuxstb: (for the logs), i saw your message in the logs but didnt get a chnce to test it out... ill try on the weekend |
| 08:48:21 | GodEater | I think it runs a risk of really alienating people |
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| 08:48:47 | Llorean | Not that it'd actually affect us currently, since we don't have any hardware manufacturers (that we know of) considering using RB either way. |
| 08:49:21 | GodEater | I just think that if we went GPLv3, the chances of them *ever* considering us are so close to zero as makes no difference |
| 08:49:42 | GodEater | all ray's talk of "well we'll just relicense to them" then is a fairy story |
| 08:49:54 | GodEater | as B4gder pointed out |
| 08:50:16 | B4gder | and his "we won't need all copyright owners" sounds like... eh bs to me |
| 08:50:29 | GodEater | yeah that seemed very pie in the sky to me too |
| 08:50:32 | B4gder | especially since we've sucked in LOADS of other projects' code |
| 08:50:49 | B4gder | those projects can hardly be expected to keep track of our "voting" about it |
| 08:50:52 | GodEater | yeah, our 169 (C) holders actually comprise a lot of organisations too |
| 08:50:56 | GodEater | not just individuals |
| 08:51:05 | Llorean | I like the idea of keeping our code licensed as "GPLv2 or later" (or "Any GPL" as it *may* currently be) and then our binary is distributed under v3 just because espeak is compiled in. |
| 08:51:28 | Llorean | It seems like that ought to be possible, right? |
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| 08:51:46 | B4gder | yes, if we decide that is what we currently have/use |
| 08:51:52 | Llorean | Yeah |
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| 08:51:57 | amiconn | As I said, I would in fact like to see rockbox going gplv3, even if that distracts manufacturers |
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| 08:56:33 | GodEater | I'd be interested to hear a lawyer's view on that majority vote of (c) holders |
| 08:56:38 | GodEater | I'm sure it's pixie dust |
| 08:57:11 | B4gder | possibly it would work if get votes for a vast majority of the code |
| 08:57:31 | GodEater | if we *get* the votes I'd agree |
| 08:57:47 | GodEater | but not if we just told people "we're assuming you've voted yes unless you say otherwise") |
| 08:58:04 | B4gder | I think that getting 14 votes who own 37% of the code would be joke |
| 08:58:06 | B4gder | a joke |
| 08:58:28 | B4gder | but getting 28 that owns 97% could be considered ok |
| 08:58:35 | GodEater | yes |
| 08:58:50 | Llorean | At which point if any of the remaining 3% of the code complains, you can rewrite it as necessary anyway |
| 08:58:51 | B4gder | but I just can't see that happen |
| 08:59:01 | GodEater | nor me |
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| 08:59:30 | Llorean | "Another way is for all the contributors to a program to state a proxy who can decide on upgrading to future GPL versions. " |
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| 09:00:07 | B4gder | yeah, but that would require that proxy/org to own the copyright |
| 09:00:28 | Llorean | The fsf site mentions that as a separate option to assigning copyright. |
| 09:00:44 | B4gder | oh |
| 09:00:55 | Llorean | You preserve copyright, they can relicense *that use* of the code, it sounds like. |
| 09:01:44 | Llorean | Though they don't actually describe it, it's just mentioned at the end of a page on something else entirely |
| 09:04:05 | B4gder | sounds like some legalese that is beyond my little brain |
| 09:04:15 | Llorean | Yeah. |
| 09:04:35 | Llorean | I guess it'd be like voting proxies with stocks and such. |
| 09:04:38 | GodEater | all legalese is beyond mine ;) |
| 09:04:49 | * | GodEater 's brain is very very tiny |
| 09:05:00 | Llorean | You still own the shares, but someone else gets to decide what you want done with 'em. |
| 09:05:22 | GodEater | that makes sense with shares |
| 09:05:28 | GodEater | I'm not so sure on source code |
| 09:06:05 | GodEater | although when you say "what you want done with them", do you mean "vote for you at AGM events" or "trade with on your behalf" ? |
| 09:06:24 | Llorean | True, 'tis the voting. |
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| 09:08:31 | Llorean | I'm sure there's some way you could do something like giving Rockbox the right to relicense your code under any license so long as it's certified as an "Open Source" license by whoever it was who does that thing |
| 09:09:19 | mikae1 | has anybody checked out the torn apart nano and classic http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/09/10/a_peek_inside_apples_new_nano_and_classic_ipods_photos.html ? |
| 09:09:24 | B4gder | yes it can most surely be done controlled by contracts |
| 09:09:32 | mikae1 | is there a chance you will ever get rockbox on these? |
| 09:09:45 | Llorean | mikae1: There is if people who own them put forward a concentrated effort to do it... |
| 09:09:49 | B4gder | mikae1: we've seen numerous rip-aparts by now |
| 09:10:02 | B4gder | the encryption of the firmware is the hard part |
| 09:10:20 | GodEater | although to be fair, we don't *KNOW* it's encrypted yet |
| 09:10:21 | B4gder | or rather, the hardest, there may be other hard parts too ,-) |
| 09:10:23 | GodEater | we're just assuming ;) |
| 09:10:26 | B4gder | true |
| 09:10:27 | Llorean | Either way, if we're under GPLv2 only, almost none of this matters unless a solution for re-licensing happens in the first place |
| 09:10:43 | GodEater | yes |
| 09:11:19 | B4gder | I think the question if we are "v2 or later" or plain v2 drowned in the v3 thread of the list |
| 09:11:24 | Llorean | Yeah |
| 09:11:45 | GodEater | someone bring it up again :) |
| 09:12:29 | B4gder | yes, soon |
| 09:14:27 | B4gder | after all, http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/12/i-am-rude-and-mean/ ;-) |
| 09:16:26 | Llorean | My, you are a horrible person, aren't you. |
| 09:16:30 | Llorean | You've kept it well hidden. |
| 09:16:37 | petur | B4gder: :) |
| 09:16:39 | B4gder | my dark secrets are out! |
| 09:17:23 | GodEater | Zend ? That's a threat ? |
| 09:17:28 | B4gder | haha, yeah |
| 09:17:56 | GodEater | bet you lay awake at night trembling with fear |
| 09:18:00 | B4gder | "definitely going to discuss your behavior in the next zend php conference" |
| 09:18:14 | B4gder | golden |
| 09:18:23 | GodEater | what work do you do there ? |
| 09:18:43 | B4gder | I'm a libcurl guy, used by the PHP/CURL extension in PHP |
| 09:18:51 | B4gder | I have nothing to do with zend or php |
| 09:19:21 | GodEater | so his discussion would run "we should stop using libcurl cos Bagder was mean to me" |
| 09:19:27 | hachi | I... uh... somehow my tag info in the now playing window is exactly one file shifted from what's actually playing |
| 09:19:32 | scorche | B4gder: you are a jerk |
| 09:19:40 | B4gder | GodEater: possibly, it's a _bit_ unclear to me ;-) |
| 09:19:41 | GodEater | followed closely by "STFU you stupid whiner" I imagine |
| 09:19:52 | scorche | B4gder: a real biter |
| 09:19:58 | B4gder | I would be thrilled if they truly discussed me |
| 09:20:07 | GodEater | send us a recording :) |
| 09:20:08 | B4gder | would be so totally off topic ;-) |
| 09:20:10 | hachi | anyone know if this is a known issue? I'd like to possibly report it, but I'm kinda worried I'll have someone just say I must be a nutter and tell me to fix my tags |
| 09:20:52 | Llorean | hachi: Sometimes it's possible to confuse the playback engine. I'd honestly wait on that, and see if metadata on buffer resolves this when it goes in. |
| 09:20:54 | GodEater | you're a nutter, fix your tags :) |
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| 09:22:03 | GodEater | http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/index.php/id;211669437 <−− hahahaha given the mailing list discussion :) |
| 09:22:19 | B4gder | heehhe |
| 09:22:25 | hachi | it's getting worse |
| 09:22:34 | B4gder | there was also this "gplv3 drives people to freebsd" post yday |
| 09:22:35 | hachi | now it's seeking to partial songs when I switch tracks |
| 09:22:57 | GodEater | Linus Torvalds is the devil |
| 09:23:12 | B4gder | all linuses are! |
| 09:23:23 | hachi | linus in peanuts? |
| 09:23:33 | * | B4gder holds up his garlic |
| 09:23:40 | B4gder | oh wait, is that not against the devil? |
| 09:24:15 | scorche | it seems to be all about the money with you! |
| 09:25:17 | B4gder | yeah |
| 09:25:29 | B4gder | stupid me, offering commercial support |
| 09:25:54 | scorche | yup...you should have never released curl..that would make them happy |
| 09:26:04 | B4gder | would be much better |
| 09:26:25 | B4gder | I'm mostly amazed by such posts |
| 09:28:21 | B4gder | "I do not care to know your biography and list of efforts" ;-) |
| 09:28:35 | * | B4gder stops the off-topics and goes for a refill |
| 09:29:15 | * | LinusN shines his pitchfork and brushes his tail |
| 09:32:20 | * | scorche WONDERS WHY MORE PEOPLE DONT JOIN #ROCKBOX-COMMUNITY |
| 09:32:23 | scorche | whoops.. |
| 09:32:25 | Llorean | Hahaha |
| 09:33:49 | * | Llorean isn't quite sure what the most recent feature request is actually asking for. |
| 09:34:36 | * | B4gder shrugs and takes a step backwards |
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| 09:35:10 | Llorean | Google gave me a sourceforge project, and that just threw more words at me I didn't really know how to fit together. |
| 09:35:55 | GodEater | Llorean: how about a comment on the task? "WTF is a convolver" ? |
| 09:36:14 | B4gder | indeed |
| 09:36:36 | B4gder | I like this explanation: |
| 09:36:37 | Llorean | GodEater: It sounds like a made up name for "anything that can be used to add finite impulse response filters" |
| 09:36:40 | B4gder | "The Real-Time Convolver is a hardware / software add-on to the Hypersignal®-Acoustic software package which implements very long FIR filters (VLFFs) in real-time." |
| 09:37:03 | B4gder | it is marketing speach for: yada yada yada |
| 09:37:18 | Llorean | But then it describes "finite impulse response" as "sound files" |
| 09:37:25 | B4gder | but I guess that underneath there is actually true tech |
| 09:38:20 | GodEater | doing what??? |
| 09:38:26 | B4gder | I have no idea |
| 09:38:33 | B4gder | convolving? ;-) |
| 09:39:07 | Llorean | It sounds like it's just a type of DSP filter that involves two audio files, the source one, and the one that describes the filtering. |
| 09:39:43 | Llorean | Well "just" in the sense that "they've made up a word, rather than describing at all what's going on" |
| 09:40:14 | LinusN | well, convolution is a pretty defined term in the dsp world |
| 09:40:36 | B4gder | ah that's the term then |
| 09:40:45 | B4gder | wikipedia has that |
| 09:41:18 | GodEater | so what's a "convolver with at least 128 points" then ? :) |
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| 09:47:55 | GodEater | are we any nearer rescuing forums.rockbox.org ? |
| 09:49:26 | B4gder | there's talk going on at least |
| 09:49:52 | GodEater | that's good news |
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| 09:58:52 | B4gder | hehe, ohloh cut out yday's kudo ranks |
| 09:59:21 | B4gder | the change the list now is from 10 => 12 sep |
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| 11:03:18 | Peter15 | hi all |
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| 11:03:36 | Peter15 | spricht hier einer deutsch |
| 11:03:45 | B4gder | nope, this is an english channel |
| 11:03:55 | Peter15 | oh |
| 11:04:26 | Peter15 | my english is to bad |
| 11:04:32 | GodEater | I'm sure it says that in the IrcGuideLines |
| 11:04:33 | markun | you'll manage :) |
| 11:05:06 | markun | Peter15: we had a korean guy who used a machine translation program to talk to us, and even that worked :) |
| 11:05:46 | Peter15 | the cowon firmware for x5 is = x5l |
| 11:05:55 | scorche | yes |
| 11:06:04 | Peter15 | ok thx |
| 11:07:06 | B4gder | so even when you don't know english, you still use words like "thx" ? |
| 11:07:19 | Peter15 | ty |
| 11:07:29 | GodEater | and ty |
| 11:07:35 | Peter15 | :) |
| 11:07:41 | scorche | how about "thanks" or "thank you" =) |
| 11:07:48 | Peter15 | beide |
| 11:07:52 | Peter15 | :) |
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| 11:15:22 | Peter15 | I must make which files into the file firmware |
| 11:17:47 | hachi | well that wasn't very nice |
| 11:18:08 | hachi | my ipod was building a new playlist, suddenly flashed white on the screen... and is off now |
| 11:18:22 | hachi | and I have it plugged in right now |
| 11:18:34 | pixelma | Peter15: which instructions are you following? |
| 11:20:21 | Peter15 | no mine english is unfortunately too bad |
| 11:20:42 | dionoea | hachi: it doesn't turn on ? |
| 11:21:35 | Peter15 | I try to translate German into English with babel |
| 11:21:58 | hachi | dionoea: now I can't get the bloody thing to turn off |
| 11:22:08 | hachi | every time I tell it to shut down, 10 seconds later it wakes up |
| 11:22:24 | dionoea | while being plugged ? |
| 11:22:38 | hachi | I've tried to leave it in ipl (instead of shutting down) and it reboots every few minutes now too |
| 11:22:46 | hachi | jeeze, this hardware is weirdly made |
| 11:22:48 | hachi | yeah |
| 11:22:54 | hachi | power plugged, not data |
| 11:25:25 | amiconn | Most DAPs can't be shut down physically while being connected to the charger |
| 11:25:57 | hachi | well, it keeps dying because it needs to charge the battery |
| 11:26:10 | hachi | so we've got a catch22 situation in hardware here, thanks apple |
| 11:27:56 | hachi | oh wait no, we've got a disconnect in terminology |
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| 11:28:04 | hachi | I mean to say sleep, not off |
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| 11:29:23 | FergoFrog | Hi, does anyone know how to use UiSimulator's debugwps feature? |
| 11:29:45 | bluebrother | just use the −−debugwps command line option |
| 11:30:00 | FergoFrog | Yer but where's the dump? |
| 11:30:07 | hachi | I really appreciate the rockbox ability to walk backwards even when shuffling |
| 11:30:08 | bluebrother | the dump is on stdout |
| 11:30:18 | FergoFrog | stdout? |
| 11:30:25 | bluebrother | standard output |
| 11:30:28 | bluebrother | on the console. |
| 11:33:34 | gammy | Hmm this info is probably on the wiki but I'll drop it here anyway: Is there some sort of emulation code for the rockbox plugin system? |
| 11:33:51 | bluebrother | gammy: see the UiSimulator wiki page |
| 11:34:37 | gammy | ahh thank you bluebrother. |
| 11:34:50 | gammy | I need to reserve some time to play with rockbox more. |
| 11:35:01 | FergoFrog | Doesn't work |
| 11:35:20 | bluebrother | maybe tell some more details? It works fine for me |
| 11:35:53 | FergoFrog | ******@ ~/ipod-video-sim-w32 |
| 11:35:53 | FergoFrog | $ ls |
| 11:35:53 | FergoFrog | SDL.dll archos checkwps.bat rockboxui.exe |
| 11:35:53 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK FergoFrog |
| 11:35:53 | FergoFrog | UI256.bmp background.bat help.bat zoom.bat |
| 11:35:53 | FergoFrog | ******@********* ~/ipod-video-sim-w32 |
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| 11:35:53 | FergoFrog | $ ./rockboxui.exe −−debugwps |
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| 11:35:55 | FergoFrog | ******@********* ~/ipod-video-sim-w32 |
| 11:36:11 | FergoFrog | It doesn't output anything? |
| 11:36:16 | bluebrother | err ... first, please use a pastebin for multi-line pastes |
| 11:36:22 | bluebrother | second, you're on linux? |
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| 11:36:35 | FergoFrog | No, cygwin |
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| 11:36:46 | FergoFrog | Works better. |
| 11:37:00 | gammy | How do you guys get time for hacking on rockbox? |
| 11:37:05 | bluebrother | and the binary is from rashers page? |
| 11:38:27 | FergoFrog | http://pastebin.com/m20530cb5 |
| 11:38:35 | FergoFrog | If you want multi line |
| 11:41:04 | markun | gammy: by failing exams |
| 11:41:14 | gammy | markun: Ah still studying then? |
| 11:41:33 | FergoFrog | bluebrother: can you help? |
| 11:41:55 | bluebrother | maybe rasher has disabled debug output with his binary? |
| 11:42:08 | rasher | Nope |
| 11:42:14 | bluebrother | well, it works fine on linux here. The windows binary indeed doesn't show any output |
| 11:42:16 | markun | gammy: yes, but working as well. I didn't do any serious rockbox programming for months :( |
| 11:42:20 | rasher | The only thing I do out of the ordinary is to strip the binaries |
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| 11:42:43 | amiconn | bluebrother: ?? Debug output is working fine on windows... |
| 11:42:52 | bluebrother | hmm. No idea. |
| 11:43:01 | FergoFrog | Yer, i have also tried the −−help operator but i can't get any output. |
| 11:43:03 | bluebrother | amiconn: how? rasher's binary doesn't show any output for me |
| 11:43:25 | FergoFrog | I used the precompiled UiSimulator |
| 11:43:39 | amiconn | Erm, I didn't try rasher's binaries. I referred to sims compiled on cygwin |
| 11:43:42 | FergoFrog | amiconn: did you compile |
| 11:43:52 | amiconn | sure |
| 11:44:04 | FergoFrog | What's rasher's binaries? |
| 11:44:07 | bluebrother | rasher: you're cross-compiling from linux, right? |
| 11:44:59 | bluebrother | FergoFrog: you noticed that the prebuild binaries are not hosted on rockbox.org? |
| 11:45:21 | FergoFrog | Yes they are hosted on rasher.dk |
| 11:45:40 | bluebrother | and the guy who builds those binaries is rasher. So those are rashers binaries. |
| 11:45:41 | FergoFrog | rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/simulator/ if you want the url |
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| 11:46:26 | FergoFrog | Yes. |
| 11:46:32 | pixelma | FergoFrog: why do you use ./rockboxui.exe? |
| 11:46:55 | FergoFrog | It uses the folder i was in. |
| 11:47:02 | FergoFrog | I use cgywin not cmd |
| 11:47:04 | bluebrother | pixelma: he's on cygwin ;) |
| 11:47:28 | FergoFrog | So should i just compile my self |
| 11:47:40 | markun | FergoFrog: or bug rasher :) |
| 11:47:57 | FergoFrog | Lol... rasher |
| 11:50:03 | FergoFrog | How do i compile myself, what files do i need. |
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| 11:51:44 | pixelma | bluebrother: me too, but I don't use precompiled sims ;) |
| 11:53:28 | bluebrother | interesting news for all vmware users: open-vm-tools released http://open-vm-tools.sourceforge.net/index.php |
| 11:56:25 | FergoFrog | Cool |
| 11:58:49 | rasher | I think this might simply be a win32 problem. At one point sdl created "stdout.txt" and "stderr.txt" files in the dir of the binary |
| 11:59:40 | gammy | yeah it doesn't do that anymore. |
| 11:59:44 | gammy | If I remember correctly. |
| 11:59:56 | rasher | I'm willing to bet that compiling the sim for windows in any way will produce this behavior |
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| 12:00:05 | rasher | (windows being different form cygwin) |
| 12:00:25 | amiconn | Nope |
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| 12:00:34 | rasher | amiconn: nope what? |
| 12:01:00 | amiconn | The sdl sim is compiled under cygwin as a pure win32 binary which doesn't need cygwin installed in order to run (-mno_cygwin) |
| 12:02:08 | amiconn | It only needs sdl.dll (either in the program dir or available system wide) |
| 12:02:21 | rasher | Still, compiling under cygwin uses different flags etc. than compiling directly for windows (from linux) |
| 12:02:33 | amiconn | Does it? |
| 12:02:46 | rasher | Well *something* is different |
| 12:03:58 | FergoFrog | I'm compiling myself how big should the ram be? |
| 12:04:05 | FergoFrog | Just 32megs |
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| 12:07:20 | GodEater | FergoFrog: compiling for what ? |
| 12:08:21 | FergoFrog | Earlier convo... Compiling own simulator. |
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| 12:18:33 | solatis | hello, i was wondering |
| 12:18:45 | solatis | is any archos model supported ? |
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| 12:19:03 | solatis | or is it just the models that are listed on the sites ? |
| 12:19:20 | B4gder | that list contains several archos models |
| 12:19:31 | B4gder | but yes, the list lists all the supported models |
| 12:19:39 | solatis | since i was considering buying a flash-based portable music player, and the archos 105 caught my eye |
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| 12:20:00 | B4gder | get a sansa e200 |
| 12:21:42 | solatis | hmmm, i'm confused −− is the whole sansa e200 series supported ? since i only see e250, e260, etc listed on the sandisk site |
| 12:21:52 | dionoea | yes |
| 12:21:56 | ddalton | what is "Using m68k-elf-ld 2.16 "? |
| 12:22:00 | ddalton | mean? |
| 12:22:02 | B4gder | e250, e260 and e280 are just different sizes |
| 12:22:05 | solatis | yeah |
| 12:22:08 | solatis | same firmware |
| 12:22:17 | markun | solatis: the e200 doesn't even exist as a player |
| 12:22:35 | B4gder | ddalton: that the build was/is built using that ld (binutils) version |
| 12:22:38 | ddalton | so what 50 gb 60 gb and 80 gb? |
| 12:22:49 | solatis | markun, i noticed that ;) |
| 12:22:57 | markun | ddalton: dream on :) |
| 12:22:59 | B4gder | no 2gb, 4gb and 8gb |
| 12:23:13 | ddalton | o ok sorry... |
| 12:23:14 | B4gder | the sansas are flash |
| 12:23:28 | ddalton | ok then |
| 12:23:38 | ddalton | are they a good player? |
| 12:23:50 | B4gder | by what standards? |
| 12:24:42 | bluebrother | I disliked the buttons on the sansa pretty much when I had one in my hands |
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| 12:24:54 | solatis | hmmm... 2GB for 65 euro's or 4GB for 87 euro's.. decisions decisions |
| 12:25:26 | pixelma | markun: why? E.g. 40GB = 32GB microSD (as soon as available) plus 8GB internal ;) |
| 12:25:26 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 12:25:26 | * | bluebrother notices a stray possibly plural 's :) |
| 12:25:42 | B4gder | well the sansas are basically the only flash players around that can run rockbox |
| 12:25:49 | B4gder | I mean, around to be found new |
| 12:26:00 | solatis | ipod nano is not flash-based ? |
| 12:26:08 | bluebrother | it is, but it's out of production |
| 12:26:15 | bluebrother | and 2nd gen is not supported |
| 12:26:47 | solatis | aha |
| 12:27:09 | SliMM | why didn't you keep the link to the changing during the 'last 4 weeks' |
| 12:27:13 | SliMM | ? |
| 12:28:28 | markun | pixelma: ok, then I take it back ;) |
| 12:28:54 | bluebrother | because the new frontpage is awful anyway? ;-) |
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| 13:21:38 | petur | B4gder: I didn't know Rockbox was invited to the GSoC Mentor Summit? |
| 13:22:53 | B4gder | we aren't |
| 13:22:57 | petur | We are |
| 13:23:19 | petur | Leslie mailed a list of all orgs |
| 13:23:23 | B4gder | I haven't got an invite at lest |
| 13:23:40 | petur | check the "List of Organizations Invited to the Mentor Summit" mail |
| 13:23:57 | B4gder | url? |
| 13:24:04 | scorche | where is this summit? |
| 13:24:10 | petur | it was a mail |
| 13:24:12 | scorche | mountain view? |
| 13:24:21 | B4gder | well, I haven't got any such mail |
| 13:24:44 | * | petur tries to forward |
| 13:24:58 | B4gder | perhaps gmail ate it! ,-) |
| 13:25:50 | petur | well the formal invitation of them was reported as spam by their own filter :) |
| 13:26:15 | B4gder | I just searched for "summit" in my gmail and there was no match |
| 13:26:22 | preglow | B4gder: i told you yesterday :P |
| 13:26:35 | B4gder | I hardly use my gmail so I would assume I should see it |
| 13:26:44 | B4gder | its not like it drowns among anything else |
| 13:27:08 | B4gder | preglow: yes, and I tried to find some info about this summit on their site |
| 13:27:09 | petur | got it now? I forwarded it to your haxx.se address |
| 13:27:11 | B4gder | but failed |
| 13:27:52 | petur | found a link to the group too: http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-mentors-list/browse_thread/thread/16896b515556878c |
| 13:28:43 | B4gder | and his follow-up there might mean something |
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| 13:29:38 | preglow | no to self: abs() and fabs() are not the same |
| 13:29:41 | preglow | note... |
| 13:33:02 | * | B4gder sent a mail to mr google |
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| 13:35:02 | Jeton | I see on the main page this: Faster video rendering for e200 and Gigabeat |
| 13:35:21 | Jeton | does it mean higher fps for Sansa? |
| 13:35:43 | markun | yes |
| 13:35:52 | markun | (it should) |
| 13:35:59 | Llorean | It may not be measurably higher though. :) |
| 13:36:22 | Llorean | He didn't specify how much of a performance increase it is. |
| 13:36:25 | Jeton | oh, but it's an improvement. (?) |
| 13:37:10 | aliask | Anyone familiar with the internals of an iPod mini? |
| 13:38:19 | markun | Jeton: if you have a sansa player you could just try it |
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| 13:38:50 | Jeton | will do now :) |
| 13:38:58 | * | Llorean wonders if Mike's going to stop optimizing video on Gigabeat at any point before it can play back DVDs. |
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| 13:39:50 | Jeton | if i understand correctly it's not in SVN yet tough, http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changelogs/changes-20070912.html |
| 13:40:05 | Llorean | Jeton: Why are you looking at the daily instead of the current build? |
| 13:40:12 | B4gder | Jeton: it is in svn |
| 13:40:18 | B4gder | you read commit message |
| 13:40:22 | B4gder | +the |
| 13:40:53 | * | Jeton is learning something new everyday :D |
| 13:43:21 | * | jhMikeS decided to be a little mysterious |
| 13:43:49 | jhMikeS | but I will say the framerate increase is substatial |
| 13:44:01 | Jeton | well, a video that appeared jerky before doesn't appear jerky at all now. |
| 13:44:09 | Jeton | which is great. |
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| 13:44:21 | jhMikeS | I suppose it worked then :) |
| 13:44:29 | Jeton | yeah |
| 13:44:34 | Jeton | thanks |
| 13:44:59 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Substantial on Gigabeat too? |
| 13:45:21 | jhMikeS | even there yes |
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| 13:47:01 | jhMikeS | it uses no multiplication and no chroma buffer which both help big time |
| 13:53:11 | scorche | hrm...xd cards and smartmedia card readers can actually be used to dump nand flash chips...didnt knwo that one |
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| 14:11:07 | aliask | haha removing an ipod mini from its case while rockbox is on gives a prefetch abort at coedbabe |
| 14:11:28 | aliask | No idea why though :P |
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| 14:13:43 | qweru | Does anybody know where I can find a precompiled deutsch.lang voice file? The one on the wiki is from June. |
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| 14:18:49 | pixelma | qweru: you also need to say for what player you need it |
| 14:18:57 | einhirn | Why is there a Submenu to the "Playlists" Main menu entry? I can access all functions listed in there via the WPS context menu, can't I? To me it hinders my way to access the Playlists. |
| 14:19:00 | qweru | sansa e280 |
| 14:19:59 | einhirn | I probably can remove that submenu, and could provide a patch, but wanted to hear other opinions/reasons for it's existence. |
| 14:20:00 | GodEater | einhirn: what do you suggest instead ? |
| 14:20:12 | einhirn | Just go to the list of Playlists directly |
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| 14:20:55 | Llorean | There should be nothing that's exclusive to the Context Menu unless it's only ever useful in that context, though. |
| 14:20:57 | markun | einhirn: it's also what I suggested, but the argument was that you shouldn't be able to view theplaylist if there is none |
| 14:21:26 | einhirn | In english the Menu point is called "Playlists" and I was very astonished (!?) that i got a submenu instead of a list of playlists. |
| 14:22:11 | markun | einhirn: feel free to make a patch, I'm all for it |
| 14:22:14 | einhirn | Llorean: Ok, I get that. It just seems redundant. And in my case obstructing? |
| 14:23:53 | einhirn | markun: maybe we misunderstood each other? When I first used the "Playlists" menu I was expecting to see the playlists I moved to the Playlists folder. Instead I saw some commands (create, view, save) that I rarely ever use ;) |
| 14:24:30 | pixelma | I don't understand what you are suggesting, I mean you can do more than just viewing the current playlistfrom there (like using the playlist catalog) |
| 14:25:06 | markun | einhirn: yes, we minsunderstood eachother :) |
| 14:26:12 | einhirn | pixelma: "playlist catalog"- thats the word I was missing. I thought that entering the Menu point "Playlists" would bring me directly to the playlist catalog - not to some playlist related functions _and_ the playlist catalog. |
| 14:28:15 | pixelma | why not? You can save the current playlist from there and save it even if it's not playing... |
| 14:28:46 | pixelma | or create a new one |
| 14:28:58 | einhirn | So maybe it's just the name being un-intuitive. |
| 14:29:28 | einhirn | But "create one" is an obscure function. |
| 14:31:18 | einhirn | I started it and it went to build "/root.m3u8" - why? Obviously I currently was in root - but how is that function useful via the main menu? It clearly is related to files or browsing, so why not put it in that context menu? |
| 14:32:00 | einhirn | (yes I know that there is a point Playlist in that context menu already - it just doesn't do the same as the "create playlist" function in the main menu) |
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| 14:32:57 | einhirn | I'll provide a patch to remove it - this way I customize rockbox to my liking and maybe it even gets committed. |
| 14:33:07 | maxkelley | pixelma: you around? |
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| 14:33:40 | maxkelley | I wanted to let you know that I replied to your comment on the sansa keymap patch, fs#7749. |
| 14:33:56 | pixelma | I'll take a look |
| 14:33:57 | einhirn | (interestingly my patch to "delete currently playing track" ended up as a duplicate - someone had the same Idea ;) ) |
| 14:34:22 | LinusN | einhirn: there is a small quirk if you move the playlist creation to the browser context menu |
| 14:34:41 | einhirn | LinusN: Ok, what is it? |
| 14:34:52 | LinusN | in the browser, the context is defined as "the item the cursor is placed on" |
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| 14:35:16 | LinusN | which means that there is no way to select the root directory for playlist creation |
| 14:35:32 | einhirn | While the Playlist creation uses "current" directory. |
| 14:35:37 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:35:49 | * | bluebrother wonders why plugin keymaps should be critical for a port |
| 14:36:05 | maxkelley | bluebrother: how else would you play doom?!?! |
| 14:36:20 | bluebrother | maxkelley: remove doom! |
| 14:36:22 | maxkelley | well, to the completeness of the port. |
| 14:36:23 | bluebrother | :) |
| 14:36:42 | preglow | why do people think the ipod nano problems somehow pertains to retailos version? |
| 14:36:44 | bluebrother | still I don't consider this as anything similar as critical |
| 14:37:36 | pixelma | maxkelley: will give you a small patch in a few... |
| 14:37:51 | Llorean | preglow: For a while the only obvious difference was retail version, we disproved that but it was a "possibility" for a bit. |
| 14:38:02 | pixelma | maxkelley: or should I post it the tracker? |
| 14:38:27 | einhirn | So can't I deduce the current path from "the item the cursor is placed on"? Or is this a "human interaction" instead of a technical quirk? |
| 14:38:44 | maxkelley | pixelma: you can post it to the tracker, I'm at school anyways so I can't test it. |
| 14:38:45 | Llorean | einhirn: How do you place the curser on "Root"? |
| 14:39:03 | maxkelley | later tonight, I'll test it. |
| 14:39:09 | pixelma | ok |
| 14:39:17 | maxkelley | thanks :) |
| 14:39:32 | einhirn | Ok, the "create playlist" uses the current directory as a target, right? |
| 14:40:29 | maxkelley | alright, I |
| 14:40:37 | maxkelley | I'm out.. |
| 14:41:35 | einhirn | Llorean: I see - if one places the cursor on a subdirectory, that subdirectory is used to create a playlist. |
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| 14:42:45 | einhirn | Llorean: and you expect confusion if "create playlist" suddenly uses the "current directory" in the context menu of a "directory Item" (eg. the parent of the selected directory) |
| 14:42:52 | Llorean | Yes |
| 14:43:00 | Llorean | Because the Context Menu is explicitly "Things to do to the selected item" |
| 14:43:19 | Llorean | It's like Right Clicking in Windows, you don't expect it to perform actions on items other than those highlighted. |
| 14:43:32 | XtaZee | has anyone tried to get rockbox working on diy hardware? |
| 14:43:56 | einhirn | Ok, except when you click into "white space", then you operate on the "current directory" ;) |
| 14:44:19 | scorche | XtaZee: there has been talk, but what hardware are you thinking of? |
| 14:44:34 | scorche | einhirn: but then nothing is highlighted... |
| 14:44:40 | XtaZee | scorche: Nothing special... I was pondering building something like the yampp or something myself.. |
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| 14:44:46 | XtaZee | abit more advanced though |
| 14:44:58 | einhirn | Llorean: Simple solution - just add a "virtual root directory" item *g* |
| 14:45:31 | Llorean | Because that's so much simpler than "leave it as it is, because it works"? |
| 14:45:33 | einhirn | Like '.' in most operating systems command shell ;) |
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| 14:45:51 | XtaZee | i know it's a bit overkill, but could RockBox be convinced to work on a Gumstix for example? |
| 14:45:57 | scorche | XtaZee: pretty much all DIY hardware i have seen is similar to the ipodshuffle and wouldnt gain much |
| 14:45:57 | scorche | einhirn: solution to what?...i dont see a problem to solve |
| 14:46:20 | LinusN | XtaZee: http://www.diva-portal.org/diva/getDocument?urn_nbn_se_liu_diva-7114-1__fulltext.pdf |
| 14:46:37 | petur | einhirn: . and .. actually exist as dir entries on FAT... not very virtual... |
| 14:46:59 | einhirn | Llorean: No, but I am unsatisfied with the way that particular Menu entry works ;) |
| 14:47:20 | petur | einhirn: except in the root |
| 14:47:35 | einhirn | petur: damn fat ;) |
| 14:48:06 | scorche | einhirn: then make a patch for yourself...i havent seen anyone else complain about it really and adding "." and ".." would just add plenty of confusion |
| 14:48:23 | markun | XtaZee: which one of the Gumstix are you thinking of? |
| 14:48:31 | einhirn | scorche: seems like I'm the lone ranger again ;) |
| 14:49:50 | scorche | LinusN: where did this come from?...i hadnt heard about this project... |
| 14:50:30 | LinusN | it's a master thesis by some swedish guys that asked me for help |
| 14:51:28 | LinusN | "Finally we would like to thank all the Rockbox developers, especially Linus Nielsen Feltzing for all the help on getting the development environment working" :-) |
| 14:51:49 | scorche | is this the same anders that was at devcon? |
| 14:51:53 | LinusN | nope |
| 14:52:11 | LinusN | i have never met them in person :-) |
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| 14:53:41 | einhirn | Llorean: I hope I don't bother you just tooo much, but what has "Playlist Catalog -> View Catalog" to do with "Things to do to the selected item"? |
| 14:53:59 | LinusN | einhirn: now that is a much better question |
| 14:54:13 | einhirn | I'll stop now, produce a patch that hopefully makes a sense and submit it. |
| 14:54:31 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Alright, I got 45fps in fullscreen elephant's dream, but it hung at the last spinup before the end of the movie. |
| 14:55:08 | Llorean | einhirn: From the WPS it makes sense, since you can add the currently playing(selected) song to the Playlist, right? |
| 14:55:09 | scorche | LinusN: looks like the rockbox wiki was a great help to them =) |
| 14:55:17 | LinusN | :-) |
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| 14:55:36 | einhirn | LinusN: the same way I could add "create playlist from current directory" to the context menu of any item. |
| 14:55:56 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I seem to recall this bug has been around a while, but only happens when "Limit FPS" is turned off. |
| 14:56:02 | XtaZee | markun: aren't they all basically the same, just different speeds? |
| 14:56:11 | einhirn | Llorean : I specifically meant "View Catalog" - that doesn't do anything with the current item, does it? |
| 14:56:36 | scorche | LinusN: ick...i hate spotting typos in a master's thesis |
| 14:57:03 | Llorean | einhirn: If it serves no use in that menu, it should probably be removed, yes. |
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| 15:00:16 | markun | XtaZee: I just had a quick look at the site. What about audio, storage and screen? |
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| 15:01:22 | jhMikeS | Llorean: it can happen with it on as well. it's because the parsing gets past the end of what's actually buffered and aborts. |
| 15:01:54 | Llorean | If the buffering is slow for some reason, or? |
| 15:02:00 | einhirn | Llorean: How to create a new directory in root employing the strict "operate on selected Item" policy? |
| 15:02:30 | jhMikeS | if the bitrate is too high for the buffer ahead |
| 15:02:43 | jhMikeS | disk spinup, etc. |
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| 15:03:07 | bowl | RE: selecting the root folder for context actions: couldn't selecting the "Files" entry in the main menu be considered as selecting the root? |
| 15:03:58 | Llorean | einhirn: At which point you're now being argumentative rather than trying to use common sense. I said it was "explicitly" things to do, not strictly or exclusively. |
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| 15:04:27 | Llorean | einhirn: File and Folder creation, by common interface sense, happens in the folder you see rather than in what you have selected. |
| 15:05:05 | Llorean | In many file managers you have to click in the whitespace, but that is not an option in Rockbox. |
| 15:05:45 | jhMikeS | Llorean: when you said "hung" you meant the player was locked? |
| 15:05:55 | Llorean | jhMikeS: No, playback just ceased to move forward. |
| 15:06:01 | jhMikeS | ah, ok. |
| 15:06:05 | Llorean | I pressed Power and left Mpegplayer, and everything seemed fine |
| 15:06:22 | Llorean | Didn't try to play anything else though, just shut it off |
| 15:06:31 | einhirn | Llorean: Ok I think I went over the top with that - but does "create playlist" from main menu (!) - by common interface sense - create a recursive playlist rooting in the currently browsed directory? |
| 15:06:54 | jhMikeS | it's fine. the video stream just stopped itself then. |
| 15:06:59 | Llorean | einhirn: "Create Playlist" in the main menu wouldn't have any common interface sense associated with it, so I'd hope the user would actually look at the manual |
| 15:07:32 | Llorean | I don't think there's any "common ground" upon which a user should have expectation for Create Playlist, if it doesn't offer them a file browser from which to select files |
| 15:09:02 | einhirn | As I said previously - I'll create a patch and submit it, then either discussion and modification of the patch follows, or committing or rejecting. |
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| 15:10:54 | einhirn | Now to something completely different - Could we start a poll with rockbox users to decide if the Quickscreen for "F3" is wasted space? |
| 15:11:16 | Llorean | Rockbox isn't exactly a democracy... |
| 15:11:27 | einhirn | Yup, I tend to forget ;) |
| 15:11:30 | * | jhMikeS thinks the e200 and meg-fx asm files should be combined. they're identical and maintaining two identical files is pointless imho. :\ |
| 15:11:35 | Llorean | You'd be better off coming up with something you think is an acceptable replacement, and posting a patch. |
| 15:12:23 | markun | jhMikeS: and just put it in firmware/target/arm ? |
| 15:12:29 | einhirn | Hmm - maybe I first provide a patch so that I can exit the F3 Quickscreen by pressing F3 again. |
| 15:12:51 | jhMikeS | markun: it would be useable on all arm targets with the memmapped graphics ram setup |
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| 15:13:22 | amiconn | einhirn: While you are at it - could you perhaps come up with an action mapping that reintroduces the true quick operation mode? |
| 15:13:40 | einhirn | quick operation mode? |
| 15:13:42 | jhMikeS | the S uses memmapped graphic ram too? |
| 15:14:18 | Llorean | Every time I use the radio, I'm reminded how much I hate the controls for the radio screen. =/ |
| 15:14:40 | markun | jhMikeS: I'm pretty sure |
| 15:14:54 | amiconn | einhirn: Quickscreens are (or were) supposed to be usable in 2 ways (recorder example): |
| 15:15:20 | amiconn | (1, slow) Short press of F2 (or F3) to enter it. Press Left, Down, or Right multiple times to adjust options. Press F2 (resp. F3) again to leave the quickscreen |
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| 15:16:03 | amiconn | (2, quick) Press and hold F2 or F3 to enter it. Press Left, Down, Right to adjust options. Release F2 (resp. F3) to leave the quickscreen |
| 15:16:20 | einhirn | Oh, I see. |
| 15:16:25 | amiconn | (2) doesn't work since the action concept was introduced |
| 15:16:36 | einhirn | Hmm - maybe. |
| 15:16:38 | amiconn | (and even 1 doesn't work properly) |
| 15:17:11 | jhMikeS | markun: I guess lcd-as-memgram.S or somthing would make alot of sense then. three copies of same file would be nasty. |
| 15:17:49 | einhirn | You don't suppose that could be done by defining key combinations? Like "F1+On"? |
| 15:18:02 | einhirn | Ok, That doesn't quite match what you described.. |
| 15:20:30 | einhirn | I guess that the action concept doesn't split Key presses into "make" and "break" like PC keyboard? |
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| 15:26:03 | einhirn | Llorean: I once had a patch for an F3 Menu - but I can't find it in the Patch tracker anymore - maybe it got lost because It was too "custom" or something. |
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| 15:34:43 | bowl | Any comments on the idea "Files (in main menu) = root folder for context actions (e.g. add to playlist)"? |
| 15:38:15 | GodEater | I think it's a stupid idea, because then you can't use context actions on files in the root folder |
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| 15:39:03 | Llorean | GodEater: I think he means the actual "Files" option from the menu |
| 15:39:11 | Llorean | Rather than using the context menu from within the root. |
| 15:39:24 | Llorean | But since "Files" doesn't consistently point to the root, that kinda brings up an inconsistency |
| 15:40:26 | GodEater | ah ok |
| 15:40:44 | GodEater | Files already has a context menu too doesn't it ? |
| 15:40:51 | Llorean | No clue, honestly |
| 15:41:34 | GodEater | yes it does ;) |
| 15:41:53 | bowl | GodEater: yes, almost all entries in the main menu, if not all, habe context menues |
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| 15:42:25 | GodEater | in fact, Playlists doesn't |
| 15:42:31 | GodEater | nor Plugins |
| 15:42:42 | GodEater | everything else does |
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| 15:45:12 | bowl | I'm not proposing adding an entry to the File's context menu. But if we'd like to have "Add to playlist" for the root dir, we could use "File" for this since it's the only reasonable place |
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| 15:45:42 | Llorean | If I recall, "Add to Playlist" is a good deal slower than "Create Playlist" anyway |
| 15:45:43 | bowl | IMHO of course |
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| 15:46:14 | GodEater | Llorean: why should that be ? |
| 15:47:25 | Llorean | I'm not actually sure why, but I seem to recall it being that "Add To" has to do it a certain way, because it's actually adding individual entries, while "Create" doesn't, but I may be misremembering. |
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| 15:58:23 | einhirn | Hmm - I didn't know the possibility of "Context menu" in the Main menu existed - so just add the functions from the "Playlists" sub menu to a "Playlists" context menu. That way they'd be out of my way, and still usable in their old way. |
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| 15:59:33 | GodEater | anyone else tried out FS7738 on a clickwheel ipod yet ? |
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| 16:24:28 | Buschel | GodEater: regarding my patch -> could you please try to inser a new line in line 236? |
| 16:24:34 | Buschel | *insert |
| 16:25:02 | GodEater | yep, that appears to work (at least, the patch error isn't there anymore) ;) |
| 16:25:52 | GodEater | any idea why it happens ? |
| 16:26:18 | Buschel | I hacked the .patch-outputfile :( |
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| 16:30:19 | tarballz | anybody know of a theme that looks like iTunes that is not on rockbox.org? i just started using rockbox, and i think i missed the ones that where removed for "copyright" issues |
| 16:31:47 | tarballz | nevermind...i just read the irc rules |
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| 16:32:21 | GodEater | Buschel: works great :) |
| 16:33:03 | Buschel | good news :) |
| 16:33:21 | GodEater | has jhMikes still got issues with it ? |
| 16:33:28 | GodEater | or is it pretty much ready to go now ? |
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| 16:34:34 | GodEater | Buschel: shall I upload my edited patch so that others can try it ? |
| 16:35:02 | Buschel | GodEater: just updated it myself ;) |
| 16:35:06 | GodEater | cool :) |
| 16:35:15 | GodEater | want me to test apply it again to check ? |
| 16:35:50 | Buschel | GodEater: jhMikeS wanted to change the kind of configuration |
| 16:35:56 | amiconn | Imo it doesn't make sense to have wheel acceleration 2 times in the source |
| 16:36:09 | amiconn | Rather, ipods should define HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL as well |
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| 16:36:48 | amiconn | Hmm, do they in the patch? :confused: |
| 16:36:57 | GodEater | yes |
| 16:37:05 | GodEater | the changes are in the clickwheel driver iiuc |
| 16:37:15 | GodEater | so it works like the sansa wheel now |
| 16:37:17 | amiconn | What about the new setting? |
| 16:37:39 | GodEater | you mean the wheelspeed one ? |
| 16:38:02 | amiconn | yes |
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| 16:38:08 | GodEater | what about it ? |
| 16:38:16 | pixelma | bluebrother: for a new crossreference (which is only an item in a subsection) I need to give that item a label in order to use "ref:" in the chapter I want to link from - or do I overlook something? |
| 16:38:49 | amiconn | It wasn't there before, not even for sansa |
| 16:39:04 | GodEater | I've never seen a sansa |
| 16:39:06 | GodEater | so I wouldn't know |
| 16:39:12 | GodEater | what's wrong with it anyway ? |
| 16:39:41 | bluebrother | pixelma: you need to assign a label. The name of that label is arbitrary, but we used some common prefixes (like "ref:") |
| 16:40:46 | pixelma | ah, thanks |
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| 16:41:05 | Buschel | GodEater/amiconn: the new setting can be sued to tweak the speed and starting point of the acceleration. If we find a good default we could also drop this configuration and use a "hard" define. |
| 16:41:08 | amiconn | I wonder why the patch adds a setting if it's just a port of the sansa wheel acceleration to ipods |
| 16:41:12 | Buschel | *used |
| 16:41:33 | GodEater | I like the fact that it's configurable personally |
| 16:43:27 | einhirn | Question: In the online version of the Manual (at least the Archos Recorder V1 version) - why is the "next" link listed on the left, while the "Prev" link is listed on the right? In a left-to-right-language I'd assume to access the next page/chapter/whatever by clicking somewhere right. |
| 16:46:19 | bluebrother | einhirn: that's just the default how htlatex creates it. I never bothered about changing it. |
| 16:46:35 | markun | weird default |
| 16:46:53 | einhirn | markun : i'd say so... ;) |
| 16:48:09 | einhirn | Anyway, no top priority, I think - just weird. I found out about it when clicking without watching and wondering why I moved back instead of forward through the chapters. |
| 16:48:43 | bluebrother | file a task in the tracker if you want to. I guess it's not hard to change, but htlatex' documentation is really ... bad :o |
| 16:49:47 | bluebrother | one could also argue that if you want to skip the chapter it's better to have "next" first ... |
| 16:50:26 | pixelma | that reminds me that I still haven't set up tex4ht under cygwin :\ |
| 16:51:14 | qweru | Where can I find a recent german voice file for a Sansa E200? I am happy to compile my own but my rockbox vmware image is from 2006 and I was unable to install any of the 3 TTS on it. |
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| 16:51:52 | einhirn | bluebrother: on the other hand I have yet to see another page navigation like the htlatex default. |
| 16:52:22 | bluebrother | well, I don't care much about the order of the navigation as long as it works ;) |
| 16:52:42 | einhirn | Of course - just that it is non-intuitive ;) |
| 16:52:58 | bluebrother | I'm struggling with this stupid w32 api :( |
| 16:53:14 | GodEater | e200rinstaller ? |
| 16:53:30 | einhirn | Is there a way to patch it in the build system and submit it? IE point out the place to look for the htlatex command line... |
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| 16:53:55 | GodEater | einhirn: of course, the manual is in svn too |
| 16:54:00 | bluebrother | GodEater: no, only usb detection for now. |
| 16:54:18 | GodEater | bluebrother: but with that as the ultimate goal though I assume ? |
| 16:54:52 | bluebrother | well, my first goal is to allow device detection based on usb ids without requiring a driver on windows. |
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| 16:55:25 | bluebrother | if we can detect the e200r properly we can tell the user to install a driver (unless we do this automatically or it's already installed) |
| 16:55:53 | einhirn | GodEater: I'll grep for it, maybe I can "fix" this weird behaviour. |
| 16:56:01 | bluebrother | einhirn: check manual/rockbox-html.cfg |
| 16:56:09 | einhirn | Ah, thanks ;) |
| 16:56:33 | bluebrother | not sure if you can change the order in that file −− I only adjusted some css stuff (and it's been a while) |
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| 16:57:16 | einhirn | But first I have to leave and do some stuff in the big blue room. |
| 16:57:20 | einhirn | bye |
| 16:58:22 | bluebrother | have fun |
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| 16:58:44 | amiconn | bluebrother: We can install the driver almost automatically once we know it is needed. Did you think about the detection of ipods connected via firewire though? |
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| 16:59:29 | bluebrother | haven't thought about that. But Ipods can get detected just fine using ipodpatcher, so I assume this should work using firewire as well |
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| 17:01:15 | amiconn | Yes that does work, as long as the partitioning is intact |
| 17:01:58 | bluebrother | the Ipods also have some gaps in the DeviceDetection table. At least for the minis there is a id clash |
| 17:03:34 | amiconn | Where do you see a gap? |
| 17:04:43 | amiconn | All ipods with USB are listed |
| 17:04:56 | amiconn | (all supported ones) |
| 17:06:37 | bluebrother | ah, overlooked that 1G and 2G don't have usb |
| 17:07:01 | bluebrother | but 4G and Color might have an ID collision, as mini 1G and 2G. |
| 17:07:26 | bluebrother | (PID 1203 and 1205) |
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| 18:06:55 | Buschel | oops, can anyone change FS #7763 from bug to patch? Did a mistake when creating it... |
| 18:07:06 | n1s | sure |
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| 18:08:24 | n1s | Buschel: You might want to add a short descrition of what you changed to the task |
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| 19:08:10 | pixelma | bluebrother: around? |
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| 19:38:06 | bluebrother | pixelma: back, but only for a few minutes. |
| 19:40:46 | pixelma | I'm currently experimenting myself a bit, maybe I'll find the solution - otherwise I might have a question later |
| 19:41:06 | bluebrother | I'll be out until ~22.30h or so tonight. |
| 19:42:08 | pixelma | ok, no hurry. The spliteditor chapter was outdated for so long that another few hours don't hurt ;) |
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| 19:50:01 | pixelma | bluebrother: gave you a link, would be nice if you could take a look (if you still have a few minutes of course) |
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| 19:55:00 | GodEater_ | still not source code from "blackhawk" then :( |
| 19:55:03 | GodEater_ | s/not/no |
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| 19:58:16 | * | amiconn wonders who/what blackhawk is |
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| 20:00:45 | GodEater_ | the guy who did the "port" to the motorola phone |
| 20:00:56 | GodEater_ | he's refused to release his modified code so far |
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| 20:04:55 | * | GodEater_ wonders if we should set Febs on him |
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| 20:14:03 | BigMac | GodEater_: You should |
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| 20:22:13 | XavierGr | GodEater: is there proof that it works, or is it once again a hoax? |
| 20:26:07 | XavierGr | nevermind it seems that some use it already... |
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| 20:27:41 | preglow | i like the size of the static rbutilqt binary on linux :P |
| 20:28:56 | preglow | btw, nice work on it, this seems a lot nicer than the wx version |
| 20:31:00 | Lear | Not just "QT-static" or what? |
| 20:31:09 | preglow | seems more solid too |
| 20:31:52 | desowin | static binaries are always huge |
| 20:32:34 | preglow | desowin: yeah, but ten gigs :PPP it's not 100% static either, just qt |
| 20:33:10 | preglow | ehh, megs, not gigs |
| 20:33:36 | desowin | gees, 10GB of file :D hehe, sometimes typos are nasty |
| 20:35:58 | * | preglow wants some good wpses for christmas |
| 20:36:12 | petur | hahaha |
| 20:36:18 | preglow | most of the current ones just seem... bland |
| 20:36:29 | * | petur gets reminded of xmas lemmings :) |
| 20:37:02 | preglow | hahaha |
| 20:37:32 | preglow | man, rbutil is a right nice little thing now |
| 20:37:44 | petur | what about a beer theme ? :p |
| 20:37:49 | preglow | hahah |
| 20:38:05 | preglow | now, i love beer, but i think i'll just allow that to not to decide my choice of wps :P |
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| 20:47:24 | preglow | why isn't a shared bin build as well? and why no 64 bit? :> |
| 20:47:27 | pixelma | petur: is a beer theme one you only like after drinking a few? ;) |
| 20:47:54 | petur | hehe |
| 20:51:04 | preglow | how is devices currently autodetected? |
| 20:51:28 | krazykit | what's the preferred license for a WPS? |
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| 20:54:39 | krazykit | creative-commons share-alike? |
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| 20:57:59 | Domonoky | krazykit: yup.. thats good.. |
| 20:58:38 | krazykit | just want to be sure others can change the work as they like :D |
| 20:58:40 | Lear | Are sansas noticeably faster than ipods, or about the same? (In terms of UI lag while playing, amount of audio processing possible...) |
| 20:59:57 | Domonoky | what is the problem with e200rpatcher and libusb on windows ? (i can compile it, but i cant test (no e200r here) ).. |
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| 21:04:17 | amiconn | Lear: I have no sansa, but it should be in the same performance range as the ipods (with the ipods varying a lot as well) |
| 21:04:27 | amiconn | It's the same cpu core(s) after all |
| 21:05:23 | Lear | Yes, but the CPU is supposed to be a little faster (higher clock, according to specs), question is, is it noticeable? |
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| 21:05:46 | amiconn | In rockbox we don't use higher clock |
| 21:06:01 | Lear | Saw that the e280 could be found for a quite nice price, so I'm considering it.... |
| 21:06:43 | krazykit | i haven't noticed any lag in the UI on the sansa |
| 21:09:26 | GodEater_ | as opposed to lag on ? |
| 21:09:51 | desowin | speaking of e280 - is it normal that I can hear in headphones that data is being loaded from flash into ram? |
| 21:14:23 | * | maxkelley returns |
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| 21:16:29 | willb3 | is there an svn for rockbox? |
| 21:16:37 | GodEater_ | svn.rockbox.org |
| 21:16:46 | Domonoky | hm e200rpatcher on win32 seems to work for me, as far as i can test without a e200r :-) at least it correctly enumarates the product and vendor ids.. :-) |
| 21:16:59 | GodEater_ | willb3: more details on the website, in the wiki |
| 21:17:10 | maxkelley | pixelma: thanks for the patch. |
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| 21:17:12 | GodEater_ | Domonoky: that's positive |
| 21:17:39 | willb3 | ok thanks |
| 21:19:43 | Domonoky | GodEater_: do you know what the exact problem with e200rpatcher on win32 is ? The commit messages only say it doesnt work.. |
| 21:20:40 | GodEater_ | only that most people have not had any success with e200tool on windows due to libusb problems |
| 21:20:53 | GodEater_ | I'm guessing the same assumption was made for e200rpatcher |
| 21:21:05 | willb3 | is there a development chat room |
| 21:21:07 | GodEater_ | you're the first person I've heard of that's attempted to run it though |
| 21:21:11 | GodEater_ | willb3: you're in it |
| 21:21:14 | willb3 | ok! |
| 21:21:36 | GodEater_ | Domonoky: scorche may have tried it as well - but if so I've missed his reports |
| 21:21:36 | willb3 | is anyone working on usb host support? |
| 21:21:41 | GodEater_ | willb3: yes |
| 21:22:04 | pixelma | depends on the player |
| 21:22:19 | willb3 | have there been any successes |
| 21:22:29 | GodEater_ | willb3: what pixelma says is true - we're working on it for portalplayer based devices only |
| 21:22:30 | pixelma | I know of no-one who's working on X5 host support for example |
| 21:22:32 | willb3 | looking into writing a driver for ipodlinux |
| 21:22:43 | willb3 | right |
| 21:22:48 | pixelma | (usb host that is) |
| 21:22:54 | GodEater_ | willb3: austriancoder and petur are the people to talk to |
| 21:23:00 | willb3 | thanks |
| 21:23:01 | GodEater_ | not sure if either are here currently though |
| 21:23:11 | amiconn | The current work on PP is for usb *device* support |
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| 21:23:20 | * | GodEater_ apologises to anyone else working on it that he's unaware of |
| 21:23:35 | GodEater_ | amiconn: but host support is in the pipeline too is it not ? |
| 21:23:40 | GodEater_ | behind device support |
| 21:23:53 | amiconn | I don't know. I doubt it (for PP) |
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| 21:24:22 | GodEater_ | I could have sworn I'd seen some comments on using the ipod to store (for example) camera images and such |
| 21:24:31 | GodEater_ | perhaps I dreamt it |
| 21:24:37 | amiconn | There wouldn't be many people who could use it, as I'm not aware of an adapter for usb host mode |
| 21:25:10 | GodEater_ | there are definitely adaptors for cameras |
| 21:25:18 | GodEater_ | I've seen such that work with the apple firmware |
| 21:25:20 | amiconn | SO everyone who wanted to use it would have to solder one (and need the proprietary ipod plug to start with) |
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| 21:25:38 | amiconn | Hmm, still... |
| 21:25:46 | GodEater_ | amiconn: I agree it's a niche market |
| 21:25:50 | maxkelley | there's one for ti calcs :) |
| 21:25:54 | amiconn | We don't even have usb host on H300 yet - and that chip is documented... |
| 21:26:17 | amiconn | (and the OF does usb host) |
| 21:26:22 | GodEater_ | presumably because no-one's cared enough to do it |
| 21:26:27 | Febs | Petur created a wiki page on it a few months back: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbOnTheGoSupport |
| 21:26:52 | GodEater_ | good call Febs |
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| 21:28:10 | preglow | anything recent happened to usb? i want rockbox disk mode :/ |
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| 21:28:51 | amiconn | preglow: Any special reason? |
| 21:29:00 | preglow | amiconn: annoying usb bugs |
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| 21:29:19 | preglow | it just gets stuck at the icon half the time |
| 21:29:26 | * | amiconn wonders how our own disk mode would magically fix these bugs |
| 21:29:49 | GodEater_ | amiconn: because Rockbox is just magically better when it's all our own code :) |
| 21:30:13 | GodEater_ | <−− wearing the face of a Rockbox zealot right now |
| 21:30:16 | preglow | just hoping the bug will manifest itself in some other less annoying way :> |
| 21:30:22 | amiconn | The bugs happen *before* the reboot, so they will happen *before* activating our own usb mode when that's available, unless someone fixes the bugs |
| 21:30:41 | GodEater_ | tbh - I've not seen this bug since linuxstb's commit the other week |
| 21:30:54 | amiconn | I've seen it often since then... |
| 21:30:55 | Chronon | Is this a target specific bug? |
| 21:31:04 | amiconn | No, it's a random build specific bug |
| 21:31:10 | GodEater_ | amiconn: guess I don't plug in as much |
| 21:31:12 | amiconn | Some builds have it, some don't |
| 21:31:31 | Chronon | hmm.. I've never noticed it on my F40 |
| 21:31:38 | pixelma | judged from the forum reports it seems to me that mostly Minis are affected |
| 21:32:07 | * | maxkelley groans. |
| 21:32:08 | amiconn | Chronon: It affects all PP502x ipods (or perhaps all PP502x targets) with varying degree |
| 21:32:22 | maxkelley | I have to reinstall the sansa bootloader whenever I want to go back to of. |
| 21:32:36 | Chronon | amiconn: I see. |
| 21:32:42 | maxkelley | to connect to the player. |
| 21:33:35 | amiconn | preglow: It most probably is either threading issues (dualcore related?), or the usb controller writing somewhere into ram where it shouldn't |
| 21:33:38 | maxkelley | and now I forget how to do it |
| 21:34:12 | preglow | build specific? |
| 21:34:15 | preglow | i didn't know that |
| 21:34:55 | amiconn | It's a long-standing issue (first experienced it end of December 2006), and it always was build specific. |
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| 21:35:32 | amiconn | linuxstb's changes didn't fix it and didn't make it worse either |
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| 21:35:55 | * | GodEater_ still hasn't seen it since mind you |
| 21:36:16 | GodEater_ | but I'm willing to allow you probably update more than I do |
| 21:36:28 | amiconn | On mini G2 there is about a 50% chance that a build has thisissue |
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| 21:37:26 | amiconn | I try to update all targets at least once a week. The one I'm currently working on is often updated 10+ times a day |
| 21:38:06 | * | GodEater_ remembers updating at least that often while he was hunting down the 80GB ipod HD issue |
| 21:38:32 | preglow | amiconn: weird issue, then |
| 21:38:50 | preglow | we don't exactly see build-specific bugs |
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| 21:39:22 | amiconn | It might in fact be the overlapping cache lines issue. Changing anything (code or data) will change alignment all over |
| 21:39:42 | * | amiconn starts to really hate dual core targets |
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| 21:41:32 | preglow | they're not my favourites either, no |
| 21:41:39 | preglow | but i hate the fact we don't have docs more |
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| 21:44:15 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 21:44:29 | HardDisk_WP | does rockbox support the serial on 5.5G ipods? |
| 21:45:33 | Domonoky | HardDisk_WP: nope, not yet.. |
| 21:45:35 | davina | do u mean the ipod port on the bottom? |
| 21:46:01 | MethoS- | why doesn't exist an ebuild for RockboxUtilityQt ? |
| 21:46:50 | Domonoky | MethoS-: because nobody has done one... fell free to step in.. :-) |
| 21:47:42 | MethoS- | i never made one :) |
| 21:48:25 | MethoS- | hmm, maybe I'll try to make one |
| 21:49:17 | Domonoky | MethoS-: if you are successfull.. put it in the wiki.. :-) |
| 21:52:03 | MethoS- | ok |
| 21:52:33 | GodEater_ | MethoS-: it shouldn't be much harder than the Wx one I did |
| 21:57:50 | XavierGr | btw, any news on the USB front? GSoC has ended for some time and haven't seen a commit or news about it for a while :\ |
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| 22:02:41 | maxkelley | hmmm.. |
| 22:02:59 | maxkelley | I think there's a bug with the audio interface for the c200.. |
| 22:03:25 | maxkelley | it actually seems to be a decrase in quality from the OF, because it sounds like the amp is being overdriven. |
| 22:03:34 | maxkelley | does anyone know if there's two amps inside the c200? |
| 22:04:03 | petur | XavierGr: austriancoder has a pwm controlled life: short bursts of activity followed by longer periods of silence ;) |
| 22:05:17 | Chronon | pwm = pulse width modulation? |
| 22:05:25 | maxkelley | mhmm.. |
| 22:05:32 | petur | yup |
| 22:05:33 | Chronon | :D |
| 22:07:29 | * | ender` yawns |
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| 22:24:49 | maxkelley | does austriancoder work for Austria Micro Systems? :) |
| 22:24:57 | Bagder | nope |
| 22:25:17 | maxkelley | aw.. I'd like to talk to him if he did. |
| 22:25:31 | Bagder | but he was one of the guys that visited ams |
| 22:25:37 | maxkelley | oh, cool. |
| 22:25:47 | bluebrother | and he's from austria (like AMS) IIRC |
| 22:26:00 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:26:19 | bluebrother | ok, not too surprising after his nick ;) |
| 22:26:26 | petur | :) |
| 22:26:33 | maxkelley | Bagder: did you know much about c200 hw specs? or if the PP5022C has a built in audio amp? |
| 22:26:54 | Bagder | I don't think anyone knows anything in particular about that |
| 22:27:05 | Bagder | I would guess all the audio stuff is in the as3514 |
| 22:27:51 | maxkelley | mm. somehow, the sansa firmware must like overpower that as3514, or rockbox must underpower it, because it clips at low volumes in rockbox. |
| 22:29:08 | preglow | you could try asking jhMikeS |
| 22:29:10 | preglow | jhMikeS: ping |
| 22:30:13 | maxkelley | at some points, it sounds like the chip would rather commit suicide than play music for me. |
| 22:30:52 | jhMikeS | huh? *half asleep* |
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| 22:32:16 | * | jhMikeS wants to know why preglow would dare wake him :) |
| 22:34:06 | * | jhMikeS *back to nap* |
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| 22:34:59 | preglow | well, that was disturbing |
| 22:35:03 | preglow | i can just see him sleeping on the keyboard now |
| 22:35:14 | jhMikeS | what is it? |
| 22:35:18 | preglow | heh |
| 22:35:28 | preglow | someone talking about as3514 clipping in rockbox |
| 22:35:57 | jhMikeS | the sansa sure doesn't |
| 22:36:00 | jhMikeS | e200 anyway |
| 22:36:07 | maxkelley | c200. |
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| 22:36:31 | preglow | same chip, innit? |
| 22:36:42 | maxkelley | yes. |
| 22:37:00 | jhMikeS | e200 had some problems with that and tinny sound until a comprehensive reset was done after loading rockbox (in system_init). |
| 22:37:10 | maxkelley | hmm. |
| 22:38:09 | maxkelley | it seems there's multiple stages to the amp.. would it be possible that some of them are not enabled? |
| 22:38:48 | jhMikeS | which amp? |
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| 22:42:53 | * | jhMikeS isn't following this amp with multiple stages thing. Only amp should be the AS3514 ouput. Without the big reset, you'll get garbage in and out of the codec. Don't ask me why. I just did exactly what the e200 OF did. |
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| 22:55:02 | maxkelley | jhMikeS: multiple stages within the as3514. |
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| 22:55:58 | jhMikeS | yes there are but it's all set up correctly already |
| 22:56:56 | maxkelley | what's the option in the sansa firmware for high or normal volume do then? |
| 22:57:00 | maxkelley | it makes a difference. |
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| 22:58:33 | jhMikeS | hmmm, must be an addition not in the version I've got. Only thing I know about like that is for line out or something. |
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| 23:00:28 | jhMikeS | but there's no mystery to me about what's in the AS3514 since I do have the datasheet for it. |
| 23:00:36 | maxkelley | in the brochure on the ams site, there are like 6 gain stages which are combined. |
| 23:00:42 | maxkelley | it shows a block diagram. |
| 23:00:53 | maxkelley | like, when it gets to higher volumes, it starts crackling. |
| 23:01:06 | maxkelley | and those higher volumes are nowwhere near what the of could attain. |
| 23:01:36 | jhMikeS | that's the summing for different audio sources like mic, line, ADC, etc. |
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| 23:01:48 | maxkelley | hey low_light |
| 23:02:58 | low_light | hey |
| 23:03:33 | low_light | I recently found that the c200 uses the same dev reset as the e200 |
| 23:03:45 | maxkelley | dev reset> |
| 23:03:46 | maxkelley | ? |
| 23:04:00 | jhMikeS | low_light: did you enable it for c200 and see if it fixes that stuff? |
| 23:04:09 | low_light | so that needs to be enable for the c200...system-pp502x.c line 201 |
| 23:04:21 | maxkelley | ooooh, good. |
| 23:04:32 | low_light | I haven't had time |
| 23:04:34 | maxkelley | I'll try that now.. I've been having problems with audio playback levels. |
| 23:04:44 | jhMikeS | huh? it's practically a 2sec check. :) |
| 23:04:53 | Bagder | low_light: there's pm for you... |
| 23:05:05 | * | low_light has had 2, 18 hr work days in a row |
| 23:05:17 | petur | oh fun... kdesvn goes hanging while doing a commit :( |
| 23:05:19 | maxkelley | ah, ok, i understand. |
| 23:05:21 | Bagder | ouch |
| 23:05:44 | * | jhMikeS would've held off going to sleep 2sec more to test that one out. :) |
| 23:06:02 | * | amiconn thinks it's rather weird |
| 23:06:29 | maxkelley | low_light: how would I change that? DEV_RS = 1; ? |
| 23:06:33 | amiconn | While I do prefer GUI programs in general, this doesn't apply to svn clients... |
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| 23:06:56 | low_light | maxkelley: no change the define to include the c200 |
| 23:07:07 | naurus | can anybody tell me where the bootsplash image is located in the daily build? |
| 23:07:12 | maxkelley | ah, ok.. I was just going to ask that because I looked at the rest of the file. |
| 23:07:24 | maxkelley | and saw that there was a seperate sansa_c200 def. |
| 23:08:00 | krazykit | naurus, compiled in |
| 23:08:09 | low_light | maxkelley: line 201...#if defined(SANSA_E200) || defined(SANSA_C200) |
| 23:08:37 | maxkelley | yep, I did it. |
| 23:08:48 | maxkelley | I'm learning C as I go, here :) |
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| 23:09:02 | jhMikeS | why does C200 need i2c_scale_attn_level if it doesn't have an lcd that needs constant cache flushes? |
| 23:09:07 | naurus | krazykit: then how to i change it? |
| 23:09:08 | jhMikeS | i2s |
| 23:09:16 | krazykit | naurus, you'd have to make your own build |
| 23:09:16 | maxkelley | I have better success learning by doing it in a real situation than tutorials, etc. |
| 23:09:17 | low_light | jhMikeS: unfortunately the rockbox bootloader won't boot the OF |
| 23:09:28 | low_light | so and update takes longer |
| 23:09:58 | jhMikeS | and I though waiting for database refresh was annoying :P |
| 23:10:03 | low_light | jhMikeS: I have no idea what that is |
| 23:10:10 | maxkelley | low_light: will everything need to be rebuilt for that change? I'll guess yes. |
| 23:10:48 | low_light | should only effect rockbox.mi4 |
| 23:10:55 | maxkelley | ok. |
| 23:11:56 | naurus | anybody got an idea? |
| 23:12:32 | low_light | maxkelley: I'll read the logs to see if that fixes the audio |
| 23:12:36 | low_light | gtg |
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| 23:12:46 | maxkelley | aw, I didn't get to say bye. |
| 23:14:52 | naurus | any body have any idea at all? somebody else said it was simple to change |
| 23:15:07 | naurus | (the boot loader image) |
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| 23:16:12 | krazykit | naurus, i told you, you have to build your own |
| 23:16:26 | maxkelley | hmmm.. didn't help much. |
| 23:16:29 | Bagder | building your own IS simple |
| 23:16:37 | naurus | thats what i'm doing |
| 23:16:43 | krazykit | naurus, in apps/bitmaps/native/ |
| 23:16:54 | maxkelley | jhMikeS: what did you say about tinny audio's cause? |
| 23:17:00 | naurus | sweet! |
| 23:17:10 | naurus | thans krazykit |
| 23:17:26 | naurus | can i change the size of that image? or does it have to stay the same |
| 23:17:33 | jhMikeS | maxkelly: it was totally dependent on that reset happening to have consistently good audio on e200 |
| 23:17:43 | maxkelley | hmm |
| 23:18:16 | maxkelley | yeah, it still crackles. |
| 23:18:43 | jhMikeS | It would even read garbage back from the AS3514 without it. |
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| 23:19:15 | maxkelley | is there a way to check from within rockbox (debug section?) if it's enabled? |
| 23:19:17 | jhMikeS | that might be clock I2S clocking regs but I wonder why that would have to differ ... hmmm |
| 23:19:30 | krazykit | naurus, you can, but you have to change some code. i don't recall where it is though. i know it's mentioned in the forums, somewhere. |
| 23:20:55 | jhMikeS | maxkelley: what wouldn't be enabled? |
| 23:21:08 | naurus | thank you |
| 23:21:09 | maxkelley | the dev reset or whatever. |
| 23:23:01 | jhMikeS | if you changed line 201 as directed, it will have been executed. it's over after line 206. |
| 23:23:16 | maxkelley | ah, ok. |
| 23:25:02 | jhMikeS | you say the crackling is volume-level related? |
| 23:25:11 | maxkelley | yeah |
| 23:25:41 | maxkelley | it sounds like the amp is clipping almost. |
| 23:25:43 | jhMikeS | so lowering the volume in rockbox makes it go away? |
| 23:25:56 | maxkelley | yes |
| 23:26:10 | jhMikeS | ok, so it's not an i2s issue it seems |
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| 23:26:23 | naurus | krazykit: thank you, i found it |
| 23:26:24 | maxkelley | mkay. |
| 23:26:41 | Bagder | hey, I got the invite |
| 23:26:55 | Bagder | (for the gsoc summit thing) |
| 23:28:33 | petur | \o/ |
| 23:28:45 | Bagder | gmail put it in the spam folder |
| 23:28:59 | Bagder | and it wasn't sent from a google domain, nor does it mention gsoc or summit |
| 23:29:21 | maxkelley | jhMikeS: there's a preamp stage after the dac which possibly could be easily overdriven.. could be being overdriven before it even gets to the headphone amp? |
| 23:30:18 | petur | hmmm... commandline svn hangs as well :( |
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| 23:30:45 | petur | last thing it says is "Transmitting file data ......." |
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| 23:32:52 | jhMikeS | but why would e200 not have the problem then? it does set that as part of the volume setting and there's the AGC block. |
| 23:34:37 | jhMikeS | perhaps some register that left as default has another value on c200 that isn't right. I really can't say for sure since I don't own the model. |
| 23:40:01 | amiconn | Hmm, it seems that the calls to backlight_on(), remote_backlight_on() and button_backlight_on() in backlight.c:backlight_init() are unnecessary |
| 23:40:31 | jhMikeS | this c200 issues sounds like one of those jobs that takes alot of cigarrettes to solve |
| 23:40:44 | amiconn | The settings load will call the setting functions in backlight.c, which will make the backlight light up if it's not disabled in settings |
| 23:41:41 | amiconn | But if the calls are there, and the bootloader does *not* enable the backlight (which I'll soon commit for the 1st/2nd gen), having the backlight disabled in settings will cause a short backlight flash on boot |
| 23:42:30 | preglow | Bagder: they cover more than i would have expected |
| 23:42:31 | preglow | that's nice |
| 23:42:40 | Bagder | indeed |
| 23:42:40 | amiconn | I want the backlight disabled in the 1st/2nd gen bl because of the backlight inversion effect, which makes it look rather bad in direct sunlight |
| 23:43:05 | Bagder | 1200USD for travel and paid hotel is quite a lot |
| 23:44:00 | amiconn | Anyone object f I take the calls out of backlight_init()? (provided that doesn't cause problems on other targets of course - will test) |
| 23:44:33 | Bagder | amiconn: I don't see why anyone would object to that... |
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| 23:45:23 | amiconn | I can't test on a wheel/buttonlight target though |
| 23:45:29 | n1s | amiconn: It might be a good idea to put a comment in explaining how that backlight initing works and IMHO |
| 23:45:32 | n1s | -and |
| 23:46:08 | amiconn | Btw, is there a reason why the buttonlight functions/variables are sometimes called buttonlight_* and sometimes button_backlight_* ? |
| 23:46:36 | amiconn | The latter sounds awkward to me... |
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| 23:47:56 | petur | hmmm commit fails: Can't read from connection: Connection timed out |
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| 23:48:43 | Bagder | petur: svn clearly hates you |
| 23:48:47 | ddalton | what is the svn revert command? |
| 23:48:54 | Bagder | svn revert |
| 23:48:57 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:49:06 | Bagder | svn revert [path] even |
| 23:49:47 | ddalton | so from my source tree how do I restore my changes. So it is back like the normal copy |
| 23:49:50 | amiconn | petur: Routing problems to svn.rockbox.org? Wouldn't surprise me... |
| 23:50:09 | petur | well I can update, just not commit :( |
| 23:50:11 | Bagder | ddalton: "svn revert -R ." I believe recursively reverts all changes |
| 23:50:39 | petur | and I can ping it |
| 23:50:41 | ddalton | thanks that worked. |
| 23:51:19 | naurus | another Q: in the english.lang source file, which entry for "Database" would i change to say "My Music"? the choices are: <dest> <voice> or <source> |
| 23:51:20 | amiconn | petur: weird |
| 23:52:15 | petur | it is stuck on the 'transmitting data' for some time and then gives the error msg |
| 23:52:26 | petur | and that _is_ commandline :p |
| 23:52:33 | ddalton | voice it? |
| 23:52:44 | ddalton | is that what you want? |
| 23:52:47 | naurus | (forgot to add that i want it to say my music on the main menu |
| 23:53:09 | naurus | instead of database) |
| 23:53:17 | ddalton | so to talk or display? |
| 23:53:18 | ddalton | that |
| 23:53:49 | naurus | display |
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| 23:54:07 | naurus | i'm guessing source |
| 23:54:17 | pixelma | petur: I did not have problems committing about 20 minutes ago... |
| 23:54:24 | * | petur threatens svn with a large hammer... |
| 23:54:29 | ddalton | ok I will write a patch probably quicker. Then you can see what I did |
| 23:54:29 | petur | pixelma: I saw |
| 23:55:30 | * | ddalton Compiling! |
| 23:56:04 | bluebrother | hmm, wouldn't the spliteditor also make sense on other targets that can record? |
| 23:56:16 | bluebrother | or does it use a hardware feature? |
| 23:57:22 | preglow | jhMikeS: gotta say, the sim really feels snappier now |
| 23:57:59 | preglow | still eats quite a bit more cpu than i like, though |
| 23:58:48 | maxkelley | pixelma: it looks worse in small screen format, just to let you know. |
| 23:59:00 | maxkelley | it also slows down gameplay, and makes it really easy. |
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