| 00:00:17 | maxkelley | yes. |
| 00:01:08 | maxkelley | in xobox, it makes it harder to see the cursor, in chopper, the helicopter becomes slower, and is so small that you could probably go forever without hitting anything. |
| 00:01:16 | pixelma | ok, I can only trust you - also these kind of changes could easily be done later if desired (by someone els) |
| 00:01:34 | pixelma | *else |
| 00:02:03 | ddalton | ok about the music instead of the db thing here is the patch. Hope it works. I haven't tested. |
| 00:02:07 | ddalton | http://pastebin.ca/raw/694633 |
| 00:02:16 | pixelma | maxkelley: thanks for the feedback |
| 00:02:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: actually, on some systems it seems easy to starve the rockbox threads with that SDL_Delay(0) but I think it might be better to use SDL_WaitCondTimeout(c, m, 0) (in case you wanted technical details). :) |
| 00:02:39 | maxkelley | np. |
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| 00:03:30 | amiconn | jhMikeS: On linux, I still observe starvation of the non-rockbox thread(s) (but not as bad as in your first version) |
| 00:04:29 | ddalton | how does make_menu work? can you call a function with it or what happens. |
| 00:04:45 | ddalton | ? that should be. |
| 00:04:46 | jhMikeS | what do you observe exactly though? what was really happening was starvation of the rockbox threads, not the non-rockbox ones. |
| 00:05:15 | amiconn | Excessive delay when starting playback until it actually starts playing |
| 00:06:14 | petur | bah... I did a small commit and that worked ok.... |
| 00:07:13 | petur | if nobody objects I'll do file by file commit to find where it goes wrong |
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| 00:07:35 | saratoga | is it possible to set the mailing list to not show my email address? |
| 00:07:57 | jhMikeS | I think that the SDL_Delay(0) still is too much. What I observed before adding the IO thread was that the SDL_Delay(1) every 50 seemed like a kludge to make other stuff work but I think it's probably unwise to keep it at all. |
| 00:09:29 | jhMikeS | using the condition object will properly trade the mutex to other threads without a forced yield. |
| 00:11:39 | amiconn | Taking that out will make things worse... |
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| 00:12:21 | webguest19 | is there a way to convert my e200r into an e200? I don't really care for rhapsody |
| 00:13:25 | saratoga | webguest19: yes, see the rhapsody thread in the new ports forum or the sansa install forum |
| 00:13:28 | saratoga | or maybe that wiki |
| 00:13:31 | saratoga | its in there somewhere |
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| 00:13:57 | saratoga | since the rockbox install procedure basically converts an R to a normal and then puts rockbox on it |
| 00:14:20 | preglow | saratoga: regarding the ml: no |
| 00:14:34 | jhMikeS | amiconn: i'm not so sure about that. not hard to check it if you want to try a couple different one-liner patches. |
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| 00:14:44 | preglow | shouldn't be a big deal, though, i've had my address there for ages and hardly get any spam at all |
| 00:14:51 | preglow | been half a year since my last spam |
| 00:15:01 | amiconn | wow |
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| 00:16:55 | saratoga | preglow: was mainly thinking of preventing other people from emailing me at the address, but oh well |
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| 00:17:26 | * | petur gives up on svn for tonight... working copy must be corrupt :/ |
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| 00:18:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: you're seeing a consequence re: CPU usage of the threading techniques used in rockbox which the SIM accurately reflects now. I hardly get CPU usage without peakmeters because threads actually block in the SIM just like on target. |
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| 00:19:04 | naurus | my compiler wont build for sansae200 |
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| 00:19:20 | naurus | is says arm-elf-gcc doesn't exist |
| 00:19:33 | jhMikeS | jhmikes.cleansoap.org/thread-sdl_one_last_tweek_1.patch">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/thread-sdl_one_last_tweek_1.patch http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/thread-sdl_one_last_tweek_2.patch |
| 00:19:42 | mschneider | arrrg...I keep trying to mess with ft_load or ft_enter in filetree.c but everytime i get a data abort. Any ideas? |
| 00:19:53 | mschneider | naurus: are you using cygwin? |
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| 00:20:59 | naurus | mschneider: yea |
| 00:21:41 | webguest19 | i was just on a moment ago and i asked if there was a way to convert my e200r into a e200. I searched the forums but could not find it. Does anyone have a direct link or something like that.Thanks |
| 00:22:22 | mschneider | that's a really common error. try this forum topic: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=10680.0. |
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| 00:22:46 | mschneider | (that was @naurus) and if that doesnt work for you i would suggest vmware |
| 00:22:56 | iamben | naurus: its quite simple, you either dont have arm-elf-gcc or you dont have it in your $PATH |
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| 00:23:01 | mschneider | its a lot easier in terms of setting up |
| 00:24:49 | Shroom | Does anyone know what "undefined instruction at 40003C50" means? |
| 00:26:24 | saratoga | Shroom: it means rockbox crashed by jumping to that address in memory |
| 00:26:28 | jhMikeS | isn't that special getting one in IRAM |
| 00:27:40 | webguest19 | does anyone know where i can find the instructions? |
| 00:29:35 | saratoga | so about the mailing list, i want to reply to a post thats already on the list |
| 00:29:58 | saratoga | if i copy the subject, will that work or do I need other information for the list software to properly sort it |
| 00:30:39 | jhMikeS | I think it needs another header or else you'll be top posting ;) |
| 00:30:45 | Shroom | How can I fix that? I have an iPod nano and I just restored it and did a fresh install of rockbox but it can't find any of the music nor play anything. |
| 00:31:54 | jhMikeS | aren't nanos misbehaving today or was that last week? (I am being serious) |
| 00:32:08 | saratoga | i think they've been having trouble for some people for a while now |
| 00:32:52 | jhMikeS | someone said they used a pre r14044 (or some revision around there) bootloader. |
| 00:33:06 | jhMikeS | it started with |
| 00:33:09 | jhMikeS | 13 |
| 00:33:20 | saratoga | i don't think that the bootloader has been updated in the last 6 months |
| 00:33:29 | saratoga | not since teh COP changes last winter |
| 00:34:34 | Chronon | The playback bugs started cropping up somewhere after r13990, I believe |
| 00:34:55 | Chronon | for certain players |
| 00:35:07 | Chronon | Apparently only a fraction of nanos experience this bug. |
| 00:36:29 | naurus | iamben: sorry, i left for a while. i figured that much out, but how do i remedy this? |
| 00:36:53 | iamben | naurus: if you already set up the build environment, where is its bin dir? |
| 00:37:06 | iamben | ie mine is at /usr/local/rbdev/arm-elf/bin |
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| 00:37:53 | naurus | i'm not sure, i just set up cygwin with defaults like on the rockbox guide |
| 00:38:27 | webguest19 | is there a way to convert my e200r into a e200? |
| 00:38:45 | naurus | iamben:i'm not sure, i just set up cygwin with defaults like on the rockbox guide |
| 00:38:59 | saratoga | webguest19: you've already asked that a half dozen times |
| 00:39:06 | iamben | naurus: does it not have you set your $PATH somewhere? |
| 00:39:11 | webguest19 | i asked twice |
| 00:39:14 | jhMikeS | webguest19: I think no since you could do that, rockbox would probably be official on it already. |
| 00:39:28 | iamben | isnt the e200r rockboxable now? so who cares if it has the 'r' or not |
| 00:39:30 | webguest19 | okay |
| 00:39:36 | naurus | iamben: wait, its in opt\arm\arm-elf\bin |
| 00:39:48 | jhMikeS | scratch the "R" off it? :P |
| 00:39:59 | saratoga | webguest19: 4 times actually, and yes its possible |
| 00:40:01 | naurus | BRB |
| 00:40:11 | webguest19 | it is? |
| 00:40:20 | saratoga | for the 3rd time, yes |
| 00:40:41 | iamben | naurus: run this to set it once: "export PATH="${PATH}:/opt/arm/arm-elf/bin" |
| 00:40:44 | webguest19 | i'm trying to figure out how to do it |
| 00:40:50 | bluebrother | webguest19: there is no user-safe way yet. |
| 00:40:52 | iamben | jhMikeS: its strange, on cars people pay lots of extra $$ for the "R" |
| 00:40:53 | jhMikeS | hmmm...when did it become officially rockboxable? |
| 00:40:54 | saratoga | we know... |
| 00:41:12 | bluebrother | unless you know what you're doing I really suggest to wait until there is a easy way of installing on the r models |
| 00:41:42 | webguest19 | yeah, but it doesn't seem like it will come out soon |
| 00:41:46 | jhMikeS | iamben: I payed extra $$ for a "5.0" on a car but it did come with a V-8 engine for free :) |
| 00:41:50 | saratoga | jhMikeS: about a week ago |
| 00:42:05 | saratoga | turns out e200tool could do it anyway, just no one had ever tried |
| 00:42:06 | bluebrother | well, then you simply have to wait. People are working on it. |
| 00:42:40 | iamben | webguest19: i bet you could send your e200r + $20 to a dev and they'd send you back a rockboxed e200r |
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| 00:43:11 | mschneider | Okay, this will be that last time i ask this but i havent gotten any answer and i just want to know whether or not anyone has any knowlegde of this |
| 00:43:26 | mschneider | Does anyone know how to modify the file browsing system? |
| 00:43:35 | naurus | iamben: sorry, i'll be off and on |
| 00:43:45 | iamben | jhMikeS: i snuck a 200hp 2.2L into my 2.2CL in place of its old 145hp 2.2L, i pwn unsuspecting noobs |
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| 00:44:38 | iamben | naurus: do you need me to repeat anything or do you have it logged? |
| 00:44:50 | naurus | iamben: i got it |
| 00:45:04 | linuxstb | saratoga: The Rockbox install procedure just patches the e200r OF bootloader to accept unsigned binaries - it doesn't convert it to an e200. |
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| 00:45:15 | naurus | iamben: i ran it, and now its giving me a right bracket like it wan'ts some input |
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| 00:45:30 | naurus | iamben: brb (again :( ) |
| 00:45:59 | iamben | naurus: i forgot the closing " ... sorta |
| 00:46:16 | iamben | its just export PATH="${PATH}:/opt/arm/arm-elf/bin" |
| 00:46:44 | amiconn | iamben: #rockbox is always logged... |
| 00:47:20 | Chronon | amiconn, were you interested in looking at one of the buggy nanos? |
| 00:47:35 | Chronon | or was it someone else? |
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| 00:48:43 | jhMikeS | iamben: that talk belongs in #rockbox-automotive ;) |
| 00:49:26 | bluebrother | do we also have #rockbox-webguest? *g* |
| 00:49:30 | naurus | iamben: grrrrr, didn't work |
| 00:49:35 | amiconn | Chronon: Mhmmm, I would like to see that problem fixed |
| 00:49:49 | naurus | iamben: i tried make again, same err |
| 00:50:03 | amiconn | And since no-one else seems to jump forward, it looks like I will have to do it... :\ |
| 00:50:18 | iamben | naurus: until "which arm-elf-gcc" returns a valid path, it will not work... there must still be a problem w/ your PATH |
| 00:50:42 | naurus | could the path just be opt? |
| 00:50:45 | Chronon | I got a message from someone on the forums who said they would lend out their unit for testing. |
| 00:51:03 | Chronon | He only has one post, though. Hopefully he's still around. |
| 00:51:16 | iamben | naurus: your $PATH variable needs to contain the full path where arm-elf-gcc is located |
| 00:51:25 | Chronon | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?action=profile;u=3700 |
| 00:51:38 | Chronon | His profile says he's in Bucharest |
| 00:51:45 | iamben | Chronon: its a scam! oh wait he's sending YOU a player =) |
| 00:51:55 | naurus | would i have to specify that i'm trying to change the PATH for arm-... |
| 00:52:06 | Chronon | Not me. To a developer in EU. |
| 00:52:20 | Chronon | haha, iamben. |
| 00:52:41 | naurus | iamben: would i have to specify that i'm trying to change the PATH for arm-... |
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| 00:53:05 | iamben | naurus: did you read step 4 of the cygwin guide @ rockbox.org? |
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| 00:53:34 | naurus | iamben: hahaha, that would help wouldn't it :P |
| 00:55:35 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 00:56:15 | jhMikeS | PortalPlayer is so friggin' time-consuming but then there's quite a number of those targets too. |
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| 00:58:11 | naurus | iamben: hmm, didn't help |
| 00:58:27 | sofianbabai | Hello folks could someone give me some explanations or solutions about errors i get when i try to apply a patch |
| 00:59:00 | iamben | naurus: when you do "echo $PATH" what does it return? |
| 00:59:14 | sofianbabai | hunk failed at #67 |
| 00:59:24 | sofianbabai | hunk #2 failed at 81 |
| 00:59:43 | bluebrother | patch can't locate the position where it should apply the part (hunk) of the patch |
| 00:59:45 | sofianbabai | and cygwin tells that 8 of 8 lines have been rejccted |
| 00:59:48 | bluebrother | you need to do that manually |
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| 01:00:00 | naurus | iamben: nvm, got it, i was sending it the wrong path |
| 01:00:02 | sofianbabai | arrrgg how do i do taht ? :) |
| 01:00:03 | iamben | sofianbabai: its probably an old patch that hasnt been maintained to apply cleanly to recent rockbox |
| 01:00:10 | naurus | * embarrased |
| 01:00:18 | bluebrother | open the source file and diff in a text browser and compare ;) |
| 01:00:34 | naurus | iamben: thank you very much |
| 01:01:07 | sofianbabai | iamben: you may be right unfortunately :( |
| 01:01:57 | sofianbabai | ok! |
| 01:02:07 | naurus | later everybody |
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| 01:03:01 | naurus | iamben: before i leave, i'd like to know what to put in my 'profile' file if my PATH is /opt/arm/bin |
| 01:05:13 | naurus | iamben: i prolly wont answer, but i'd still like your thoughts on that |
| 01:05:23 | naurus | iamben: thanks in advance |
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| 01:06:06 | iamben | naurus: i dont really know, ive never used cygwin |
| 01:06:34 | naurus | ok |
| 01:06:39 | naurus | iamben: ok |
| 01:07:17 | naurus | iamben, also - when i type make install after using make, its tells me there is no rule to make target install |
| 01:07:58 | iamben | run "make zip" and itll give you a rockbox.zip just like you'd download |
| 01:08:12 | iamben | then you can unzip that to your player just like you normally do |
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| 01:12:17 | sofianbabai | iamben: what kind of installer does make the cygwin configure tool ? |
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| 01:16:29 | eigma | hey, all the cool kids have an "!offtopic".. maybe we should get one |
| 01:18:08 | scorche | eigma: what are you referring to? |
| 01:18:49 | eigma | for when people have non-Rockbox discussions in here |
| 01:19:01 | * | scorche points to the topic... |
| 01:19:28 | naurus | iamben: thank you |
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| 01:20:25 | naurus | iamben, oh yea, i was getting confused by make install from the sim build |
| 01:20:27 | naurus | bye |
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| 01:26:00 | sofianbabai | hmm is there a way to tell the patch tool to detect automatically the files needed to be patched? i mean recursively ? some kind of switch to add to the command line ? |
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| 01:26:41 | krazykit | sofianbabai, what do you mean? patch does what i think you're saying anyway |
| 01:27:40 | sofianbabai | i mean here, when i run patch < patchname.diff , it patches but alwas asks for the other files to patch, in other directories |
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| 01:28:16 | krazykit | if it's just something off the tracker, try patch -p0 < patchname.diff |
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| 01:30:02 | sofianbabai | crazykit: hmm it doesn't work it asks for others files to patch in others subdirs |
| 01:30:26 | sofianbabai | and true, i've read on the wiki that it must detect the change to do by itself |
| 01:31:18 | krazykit | what patch are you applying? |
| 01:32:16 | sofianbabai | crazykit: fs7563 |
| 01:33:11 | sofianbabai | welcome to the command line world :-) |
| 01:33:27 | krazykit | my nick starts with a k. "crazykit" doesn't hilight me ;) |
| 01:34:19 | sofianbabai | arrg this irc client is awfull lol |
| 01:34:21 | sofianbabai | sory |
| 01:34:38 | krazykit | sofianbabai, use patch -p1 |
| 01:34:48 | sofianbabai | ha? |
| 01:34:58 | krazykit | patch -p1 < patchfile.diff? |
| 01:35:08 | sofianbabai | what does it mean (just not to go to bed stupid :) |
| 01:35:20 | krazykit | -p is the strip option |
| 01:35:26 | krazykit | man patch explains it better than i can |
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| 01:37:29 | BertAndErnie | Hey everyone. |
| 01:37:46 | sofianbabai | crazykit: you rock man it's works. dunno how the hell it does but it does :) |
| 01:38:35 | scorche | BertAndErnie: hello David |
| 01:38:47 | krazykit | sofianbabai, it has to do with the filenames. if a patch fails to apply, try -p0 through -p3 to see if it works like that |
| 01:38:50 | sofianbabai | think i'm gonna have some good linux reading :) |
| 01:38:51 | BertAndErnie | how did you know!? |
| 01:38:58 | BertAndErnie | IP? |
| 01:38:59 | scorche | that isnt the point |
| 01:39:00 | krazykit | yes |
| 01:39:54 | sofianbabai | now, gonna see if this work after compiling lol . cygwin is full of surprise. :) |
| 01:40:02 | krazykit | sofianbabai, yes, have fun with that |
| 01:40:28 | sofianbabai | crazykit: htank you very much for helping newbies like me :) |
| 01:40:48 | krazykit | sofianbabai, no prob. once you figure out patching and such, it gets much easier |
| 01:40:54 | BertAndErnie | Is there an alternative to a compiler, say, for Ubuntu? |
| 01:41:00 | sofianbabai | sure your right :) |
| 01:41:13 | scorche | not sure what you are asking.. |
| 01:41:14 | sofianbabai | but i'm coming from the windows world :) |
| 01:41:21 | sofianbabai | everything is new :) |
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| 01:41:34 | BertAndErnie | I like linux better than windows. |
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| 01:41:56 | scorche | alright...i still dont get your question |
| 01:42:10 | iamben | BertAndErnie: is it true that they run linux on sesame street? |
| 01:42:21 | scorche | iamben: please stay on topic... |
| 01:42:21 | BertAndErnie | They can't afford windows. |
| 01:42:22 | sofianbabai | bertandernie: hmm i like windows beter than linux cuz... i do'nt know linux :) |
| 01:42:35 | * | scorche facepalms |
| 01:43:00 | iamben | scorche: just because my comment was ridiculous doesnt make it any further off topic than everyone else |
| 01:43:03 | iamben | =) |
| 01:43:03 | sofianbabai | and i'm visually impaired , it's easier to work with windows unfortunately |
| 01:43:07 | krazykit | BertAndErnie, you just use gcc |
| 01:43:23 | BertAndErnie | GCC? What does that mean? |
| 01:43:35 | BertAndErnie | Grand C++ Compiler? |
| 01:43:43 | krazykit | gnu c compiler |
| 01:43:49 | scorche | BertAndErnie: are you asking about getting the compilers installed on linux? |
| 01:44:12 | BertAndErnie | Unless there's ones for windows... |
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| 01:44:47 | scorche | there is cygwin, vmware, and colinux that will all emulate/virtualize a linux environment on windows for you |
| 01:45:23 | BertAndErnie | But I already have Ubuntu dualbooting with windows. |
| 01:45:42 | BertAndErnie | Along with Mac OS X, all three on one laptop :) |
| 01:45:52 | scorche | well, if you are going to use ubuntu, then you need to install the crosscompilers....if you are going to use windows, you need to use one of the above |
| 01:46:01 | BigMac | Bert |
| 01:46:17 | BigMac | BertAndErnie: Ok sudo apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:46:26 | BigMac | then fetch the source |
| 01:46:31 | BigMac | cd into tools |
| 01:46:37 | BertAndErnie | sudo lets me be admin? |
| 01:46:38 | BigMac | ./rockboxdev.sh |
| 01:46:41 | BigMac | yes |
| 01:46:49 | scorche | BigMac: he hasnt even got to that point...dont get ahead of things... |
| 01:46:57 | BigMac | scorche: Where is he? |
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| 01:47:21 | BigMac | He said he needs the compilers I thought |
| 01:47:52 | scorche | deciding whether to use windows or linux at the moment from what i can tell...plus, it is better to have him read the documentation instead as it is more explicit and complete |
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| 01:49:42 | BigMac | scorche: Oh, was just trying to help him out |
| 01:50:39 | scorche | if you jump ahead, you could be confusing instead of helping ;) |
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| 01:52:11 | HubertCumberdale | I just booted to linux. What do I sudo again? |
| 01:52:35 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler |
| 01:52:54 | HubertCumberdale | Ok. |
| 01:53:12 | HubertCumberdale | Oh, I have to build it? |
| 01:53:35 | krazykit | yes |
| 01:53:53 | scorche | well, lets simplify that a bit...first, get eh source from svn by typing svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
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| 01:55:12 | HubertCumberdale | Linux/Ubuntu seems more like a programming enviorment, rather than windows. |
| 01:55:30 | HubertCumberdale | Ok, I downloaded what I need. |
| 01:55:49 | scorche | well, cygwin emulates a linux environment, and vmware is essentially running linux inside of windows |
| 01:55:50 | eadmund | does anyone know how to create 16-bit BMPs on linux? i've crawled through the wiki, googled, read the manual and am either looking right over it or can't find it |
| 01:56:18 | HubertCumberdale | Why, just use jpeg instead |
| 01:56:24 | scorche | the nice thing about vmware is that the image is already set up and you just have to download it and run it |
| 01:56:37 | krazykit | eadmund, the GIMP doesn't do it? |
| 01:56:40 | scorche | HubertCumberdale: because he has to use BMP... |
| 01:56:47 | eadmund | gigabeat requires 240x320x16 bmp, at least according to the manual |
| 01:56:56 | eadmund | krazykit, nope |
| 01:57:10 | krazykit | i've never had a problem making BMPs in the GIMP |
| 01:57:10 | amiconn | eadmund: Are you designing a theme? |
| 01:57:29 | eadmund | amiconn: i'm trying to create a backdrop. eventually might go all the way to a theme, dunno |
| 01:57:47 | amiconn | You can use 240x320x24 BMP as well, it just takes more space on disk |
| 01:58:01 | amiconn | Rockbox' BMP loader will convert it on load |
| 01:58:03 | eadmund | really? manual didn't say that. convert -depth 24 okay? |
| 01:58:25 | amiconn | If your backdrop uses only a few colours, you can also use 8bit BMP |
| 01:59:48 | amiconn | The rockbox BMP loader supports all standard depths: 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 24 and 32 bit. Just the resolution has to match the target for backdrops to work |
| 01:59:58 | HubertCumberdale | I have my source files. Now, how do I compile it? |
| 02:00 |
| 02:00:07 | eadmund | sweet! the docs were just wrong. i can deal with that:-) |
| 02:00:21 | scorche | HubertCumberdale: type "sudo apt-get install build-essential" |
| 02:00:37 | HubertCumberdale | All these source codes, and source codes to the tools to compile source codes, and no true compiler. |
| 02:00:49 | scorche | ...huh? |
| 02:00:53 | eadmund | thx guys. now back to hacking this. rockbox, well, rocks |
| 02:01:01 | HubertCumberdale | it's going! |
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| 02:01:30 | scorche | what are you talking about with a "true compiler"?....you have to get the compilers |
| 02:02:13 | HubertCumberdale | Well I'm new to COMPILING codes. I'm used to the usual C++ windows executables. And fortran code. |
| 02:02:30 | sofianbabai | how can I know the revision of a particular file in the source? |
| 02:02:59 | HubertCumberdale | Ok, the apt-get install build-essential has finished. |
| 02:03:21 | scorche | now navidate to rockbox/tools |
| 02:03:26 | scorche | navigate |
| 02:03:47 | HubertCumberdale | configure file? |
| 02:03:59 | scorche | did i say that? |
| 02:04:03 | HubertCumberdale | no.... |
| 02:04:08 | scorche | then no =) |
| 02:04:09 | HubertCumberdale | I'm there. |
| 02:04:25 | scorche | "sudo ./rockboxdev.sh |
| 02:05:08 | HubertCumberdale | hmm, select target.... |
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| 02:05:19 | scorche | all |
| 02:05:29 | HubertCumberdale | arm-elf? |
| 02:05:31 | HubertCumberdale | all, ok |
| 02:05:46 | HubertCumberdale | what's it doing!!?!?! |
| 02:05:59 | scorche | building the crosscompilers |
| 02:06:42 | HubertCumberdale | COOL |
| 02:07:46 | HubertCumberdale | So, I can change the code, possibly fix bugs? |
| 02:07:55 | HubertCumberdale | And add features? |
| 02:07:58 | krazykit | yes |
| 02:08:09 | scorche | this will enable you to compile |
| 02:08:20 | scorche | you could do all that before, you just couldnt compile the code |
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| 02:08:31 | HubertCumberdale | This, I guess, is how developers are made :) |
| 02:08:54 | HubertCumberdale | It's still working on it.... |
| 02:09:01 | scorche | it will be for a while |
| 02:09:07 | krazykit | since you told it to do all the targets, you're in for a wait |
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| 02:09:31 | krazykit | go make some tea or a sandwich or something |
| 02:09:50 | HubertCumberdale | What was rockbox originally made on, just wondering. Commodore 64? |
| 02:10:04 | krazykit | you're joking, right? |
| 02:10:07 | scorche | rockbox came about in 2001 |
| 02:10:11 | scorche | so much later... |
| 02:11:57 | HubertCumberdale | Is there any way, if you decide to return your player, to make it so they don't know you modified it? Do they check it? |
| 02:12:22 | scorche | you simply uninstall rockbox |
| 02:12:43 | scorche | i very very much doubt they will check the bootloader as long as the device still functions |
| 02:13:07 | sofianbabai | me again.are there anywhere some guidelines on how to creat/modify a patch. important strings etc? |
| 02:13:41 | HubertCumberdale | Wow....this is a long process. |
| 02:13:58 | scorche | as we said, it will take a bit |
| 02:14:09 | HubertCumberdale | Looking at the source code, it's similar to C. |
| 02:14:18 | krazykit | it IS c |
| 02:14:19 | scorche | source code of what? |
| 02:15:48 | HubertCumberdale | So, in the end, I get rockbox, able to work on my player? |
| 02:16:01 | HubertCumberdale | sorry for the extra comma... |
| 02:16:12 | scorche | in the end of what? |
| 02:16:20 | HubertCumberdale | all the compiling. |
| 02:16:30 | scorche | compiling just gives you a binary |
| 02:16:59 | HubertCumberdale | what do you do with the binary? |
| 02:17:15 | scorche | the binary is the same thing you download from the site |
| 02:17:38 | HubertCumberdale | So, its basically rockbox.mi4? |
| 02:18:08 | scorche | after you compile, and assemble into a .zip, it is the same thing that you download from the site |
| 02:18:26 | HubertCumberdale | so it's compiling all the plugins too? |
| 02:18:38 | scorche | plugins are compiled along witht he code |
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| 02:19:12 | HubertCumberdale | so there's no making separate plugins to add to rockbox.... |
| 02:19:37 | scorche | you cannot compile a single plugin without compiling the rockbox code |
| 02:19:44 | iamben | they are all plugged in by default |
| 02:20:30 | HubertCumberdale | i'll wait before asking any more questions....probably wasting your time.... |
| 02:21:15 | scorche | if you want something to do while you wait, read through http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
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| 02:22:57 | HubertCumberdale | so, as I read through the wiki, it seems apt-get is used for other things too. |
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| 02:23:25 | scorche | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apt-get |
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| 02:24:23 | HubertCumberdale | The compiler is looping through the same thing a few times, is this making it for the different devices? |
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| 02:25:57 | HubertCumberdale | Hmm.. This is making everything that deals with rockbox, even the sansa patcher! |
| 02:26:04 | scorche | no it isnt |
| 02:26:19 | HubertCumberdale | nevermind, those are separate... |
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| 02:26:54 | hab | Hi all, have you ever heard about "binaural beats" ? |
| 02:27:13 | krazykit | hab, yeah, it's an interesting concept |
| 02:27:49 | hab | for those who dont : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_beats |
| 02:28:02 | krazykit | but are you going to somehow relate this to rockbox? |
| 02:28:11 | hab | patience :) |
| 02:28:18 | hab | yes maybe |
| 02:28:27 | HubertCumberdale | h-how? |
| 02:28:38 | krazykit | maybe a sbagen interpreter plugin? |
| 02:28:52 | hab | y-ya |
| 02:29:17 | HubertCumberdale | what is sbagen. as in sba generator? |
| 02:29:33 | hab | just saw that sbagen 1.0 is 16K |
| 02:29:44 | krazykit | HubertCumberdale, have you ever heard of this thing called google? it's really cool, it lets you search for things. |
| 02:29:51 | hab | http://uazu.net/sbagen/ |
| 02:30:23 | HubertCumberdale | I don't like google. It seems the same as any other search engine. Done with the cross compiling. |
| 02:30:36 | scorche | HubertCumberdale: alright...you can compile now |
| 02:30:59 | HubertCumberdale | It's tellng me to make my path include " " |
| 02:31:04 | scorche | then do that |
| 02:31:28 | HubertCumberdale | so, use cd "path" |
| 02:31:33 | hab | 16K fot Linux source, so i wondered if it would be possible to do a port for Rockbox as the gb emulator seems to be done |
| 02:31:36 | scorche | no |
| 02:31:47 | scorche | (that no was to HubertCumberdale) |
| 02:31:47 | HubertCumberdale | how do I make it include? |
| 02:32:02 | scorche | HubertCumberdale: remember that google thing we just talked about? |
| 02:32:05 | krazykit | hab, possible, probably. all it needs is a sufficiently motivated coder to start working on it |
| 02:33:05 | HubertCumberdale | where's the product of the cross compiling? |
| 02:33:19 | krazykit | binaries that work on processors other than the host |
| 02:33:23 | hab | note that i dont ask you to do it, i want to know if it can be done |
| 02:33:32 | hab | so is it no or probably ? |
| 02:33:50 | krazykit | hab, well, that depends. if it's written in C, that helps a bit. |
| 02:34:19 | HubertCumberdale | How do I compile now? |
| 02:34:31 | HubertCumberdale | It's all done. |
| 02:34:44 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 02:35:52 | hab | krazykit: i have a night to investigate :) oO theres a ARM version :) |
| 02:36:19 | krazykit | that's a good sign :D |
| 02:37:36 | HubertCumberdale | I have an e200r. Choose that, or e200? |
| 02:38:14 | HubertCumberdale | I'll do the e200. |
| 02:38:45 | HubertCumberdale | Na, I'll just do the R. |
| 02:39:24 | HubertCumberdale | Should I build normal, advanced, bootloader? |
| 02:39:40 | krazykit | normal, most likely. |
| 02:40:11 | krazykit | that'll build you the same thing you download from the Current build page. it's rockbox + the plugins and such |
| 02:41:08 | HubertCumberdale | it had an error. |
| 02:41:44 | krazykit | that sure didn't take long. for what it's worth, e200r uses the same build as e200. |
| 02:41:50 | HubertCumberdale | ../tools/configure: 1548: arm-elf-gcc: not found../tools/configure: 1552: arm-elf-ld: not found |
| 02:42:05 | krazykit | you didn't fix your path, then |
| 02:42:12 | hab | krazykit: its written in C with both GPL and BSD licences |
| 02:42:25 | krazykit | after you change your path like the instructions said, you have to log out and back in |
| 02:43:14 | HubertCumberdale | I made the build folder... |
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| 02:43:56 | HubertCumberdale | Log out, as in restarting terminal? |
| 02:44:04 | krazykit | HubertCumberdale, are you even reading what i said? 1. if you did NOT change your PATH like the instructions said, do that now. 2. after doing that, log out then log back in |
| 02:44:20 | krazykit | no, log out as in "click log out in gnome and log back in", assuming you're using ubuntu |
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| 02:46:05 | DavidGWRawson | Ok, logged out and back in... |
| 02:46:19 | krazykit | echo $PATH |
| 02:46:29 | krazykit | that'll tell you if you changed it properly |
| 02:47:09 | DavidGWRawson | echo in DOS? |
| 02:47:29 | krazykit | are you in ubuntu right now? |
| 02:47:41 | DavidGWRawson | it says things |
| 02:48:07 | krazykit | that's a pretty useless statement. does it have "arm-elf" anywhere in there? |
| 02:48:15 | DavidGWRawson | no |
| 02:48:29 | krazykit | then you didn't edit your PATH properly. read the instructions again. |
| 02:48:44 | DavidGWRawson | will I have to do it again? |
| 02:48:56 | krazykit | not the whole install, just editing your PATH |
| 02:49:27 | hab | Did he tried the vmware "all done" image for rockbox compiling ? worked pretty well for me |
| 02:49:43 | DavidGWRawson | it's ubuntu, not windows. |
| 02:50:15 | krazykit | DavidGWRawson, then you're in the shell, not DOS. |
| 02:50:41 | DavidGWRawson | I meant terminal. |
| 02:50:46 | krazykit | ok. |
| 02:51:02 | krazykit | before you can do anything else, fix your PATH like the instructions say |
| 02:52:13 | DavidGWRawson | Im using the instructions on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 02:52:37 | krazykit | you're not done setting up your build environment yet |
| 02:52:53 | krazykit | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di |
| 02:52:56 | krazykit | read that |
| 02:54:31 | hab | "Using VMware is not only simpler, compiling is a lot faster than using cygwin." in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
| 02:55:01 | krazykit | well, he's got the build env. mostly done in ubuntu, may as well go all the way |
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| 02:55:35 | DavidGWRawson | Changed path, now retrying compile. |
| 02:55:39 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 02:58:25 | hab | Is Rockbox "Posix-compliant" as noted in sbagen.c ? |
| 02:58:34 | DavidGWRawson | It's....working! |
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| 02:58:43 | hab | yepeee |
| 02:58:45 | krazykit | hab, i don't believe so. |
| 02:58:54 | DavidGWRawson | oh...another error. |
| 02:59:10 | krazykit | what's this one? |
| 02:59:32 | DavidGWRawson | it seems it's in the code |
| 02:59:36 | DavidGWRawson | menus/main_menu.c: In function ‘show_info’: |
| 02:59:55 | DavidGWRawson | menus/main_menu.c:201: error: ‘LANG_DISK_NAME_MMC’ undeclared (first use in this function) |
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| 03:00:49 | krazykit | DavidGWRawson, don't make a Normal build with e200r. do it for e200. |
| 03:02:06 | DavidGWRawson | what's the linux delete command? |
| 03:02:12 | krazykit | rm |
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| 03:04:43 | DavidGWRawson | it seems like it's working now |
| 03:05:09 | DavidGWRawson | My computer is such a mess :( |
| 03:05:18 | blithen | I can't really find a good description on what RockBox IS. |
| 03:05:31 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
| 03:05:36 | scorche | linked to on the front page |
| 03:06:18 | blithen | Thanks. |
| 03:06:24 | DavidGWRawson | it's done |
| 03:06:45 | * | jhMikeS sees the answer before him in a trancendental form |
| 03:07:05 | blithen | WOW! |
| 03:07:13 | blithen | RockBox is AMAZING! |
| 03:07:13 | krazykit | DavidGWRawson, now do make zip, and it'll make a zip file just like from the website |
| 03:07:23 | DavidGWRawson | there are a bunch of archive files in my build directory |
| 03:07:36 | DavidGWRawson | like libwavpack.a |
| 03:07:49 | krazykit | don't touch those. just do "make zip" |
| 03:07:55 | jhMikeS | well, rockbox "IS" −− after all |
| 03:07:56 | blithen | Doesn't run on my iPod though. D: |
| 03:08:35 | blithen | That's very saddening. |
| 03:08:36 | DavidGWRawson | It made a rockbox.zip |
| 03:08:44 | DavidGWRawson | Did I compile? |
| 03:08:51 | krazykit | DavidGWRawson, yep, congratulations :D |
| 03:09:01 | DavidGWRawson | Yay :) |
| 03:09:53 | DavidGWRawson | Can I make the bootloaders too? |
| 03:09:59 | blithen | Anyone know why it doesn't run on the 2nd Gen iPod nano? |
| 03:10:18 | scorche | blithen: because no one has ported it |
| 03:10:30 | krazykit | DavidGWRawson, you can, but i really don't recommend it. there's a reason that bootloaders are periodically released. |
| 03:10:51 | scorche | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=6518.0 is the previous discussion on it |
| 03:11:02 | DavidGWRawson | so this is just best to use the most recent bootloader |
| 03:11:35 | krazykit | right. i wouldn't mess with the bootloader at all. |
| 03:12:04 | DavidGWRawson | could I end up bricking and then have to fix it? |
| 03:12:25 | krazykit | you'd have to go through the recovery procedure, yes. |
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| 03:18:58 | DavidGWRawson | Thanks to you, I can now maybe help out with rockbox development. Right? |
| 03:20:18 | krazykit | assuming you're proficient with C, yeah |
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| 03:29:21 | DavidGWRawson | Would (I)nstaller be sansapatcher? |
| 03:31:52 | krazykit | i believe so, but there's no need to build that yourself |
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| 03:34:52 | blithen | One more quick question, is anyone working on the port to 2nd gen iPods? |
| 03:35:10 | blithen | Nanos* |
| 03:35:26 | krazykit | not currently, i don't think |
| 03:35:39 | blithen | Awww. |
| 03:36:12 | DavidGWRawson | Hmmm. interesting. all display images/words are based on bitmaps... |
| 03:36:17 | blithen | I would start working on it. But unfortunately I near no programming skills. |
| 03:36:28 | blithen | I have( |
| 03:36:30 | blithen | * |
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| 03:39:09 | DavidGWRawson | I'm going to edit the splash screen to see if anything happens.... |
| 03:39:43 | maxkelley | you need to compile bootloader for any changes to happen. |
| 03:40:10 | maxkelley | and yes, it's all bitmaps, which are then converted to C source files when it's compile. |
| 03:41:16 | DavidGWRawson | Could I, with the source codes, create a rockbox port of another application? |
| 03:42:01 | scorche | example? |
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| 03:42:19 | DavidGWRawson | a simple tetris game for dos |
| 03:42:39 | scorche | rockbox already has testris |
| 03:42:44 | scorche | tetris.. |
| 03:42:57 | DavidGWRawson | cash invaders? |
| 03:43:13 | krazykit | whatever you like |
| 03:43:14 | DavidGWRawson | duke nukem, heretic, hexen.... |
| 03:43:16 | scorche | you can port anything you like, but it may not be easy |
| 03:43:46 | DavidGWRawson | Er....mdk2? |
| 03:44:14 | krazykit | read what scorche said one more time. |
| 03:44:15 | DavidGWRawson | Would I have to modify the code for it to work? |
| 03:44:30 | scorche | that isnt obvious? |
| 03:44:30 | krazykit | of /course/ you'll have to modify the code |
| 03:44:34 | maxkelley | absolutely. |
| 03:44:49 | scorche | what are you expecting?...just drop it in the rockbox folder and have it magically work? |
| 03:45:11 | DavidGWRawson | Just leaving the basic functions of the game, such as how it totals scores, etc. |
| 03:45:34 | scorche | what are you expecting?...just drop it in the rockbox folder and have it magically work? |
| 03:45:56 | DavidGWRawson | no..ill just work on it.... |
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| 03:46:37 | eigma | DavidGWRawson: in my opinion, porting something is not a good way to learn to program |
| 03:47:29 | DavidGWRawson | Expirimentation. C reference guides? |
| 03:47:55 | eigma | DavidGWRawson: #c? |
| 03:47:58 | scorche | if you dont know C, you really shouldnt be starting off with porting something... |
| 03:48:17 | maxkelley | scorche: oops :) |
| 03:48:17 | DavidGWRawson | is it #c, or c? |
| 03:48:28 | maxkelley | they're talking about the channel @c |
| 03:48:32 | maxkelley | er, #c. |
| 03:48:39 | maxkelley | now I've really confused you :) |
| 03:49:04 | DavidGWRawson | They are pretty much alike. |
| 03:49:23 | maxkelley | no, the IRC channel #c |
| 03:49:33 | scorche | there is no such language as #C |
| 03:49:41 | eigma | David, type "/join #c" and ask for help learning C |
| 03:49:48 | maxkelley | there's c# |
| 03:49:49 | DavidGWRawson | Okay, now testing a build of rockbox on my player. |
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| 03:49:58 | scorche | there is C#, but they are much less alike than you likely think |
| 03:50:16 | eigma | scorche: I was a bit disappointed by that |
| 03:50:19 | maxkelley | c# ~ java == blech. |
| 03:50:27 | scorche | offtopic... |
| 03:50:39 | maxkelley | well, c is offtopic. |
| 03:50:56 | maxkelley | topic is rockbox !== c |
| 03:51:33 | DavidGWRawson | Hmmm. a java port.... |
| 03:51:50 | eigma | ?!? |
| 03:51:51 | krazykit | DavidGWRawson, don't get ahead of yourself. |
| 03:52:20 | maxkelley | heh, I was thinking the same thing :) |
| 03:52:55 | DavidGWRawson | Hyahhh! I did it! I modded rockbox! The USB image now has the words F*** on it! |
| 03:53:05 | DavidGWRawson | Just for fun. |
| 03:53:14 | scorche | you dont need to tell us everything you do |
| 03:53:31 | DavidGWRawson | sorry. I'll tell you something if it's worth it... |
| 03:54:34 | DavidGWRawson | can I add patches and compile them with rockbox? |
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| 03:55:02 | scorche | as i have said before, read through http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers |
| 03:57:12 | eigma | could someone take another look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7752 ? |
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| 04:01:01 | DavidGWRawson | how do you delete directories |
| 04:01:12 | eigma | in rockbox? |
| 04:01:19 | DavidGWRawson | in linux |
| 04:01:31 | scorche | DavidGWRawson: third time....use google to your benefit |
| 04:01:51 | DavidGWRawson | #C |
| 04:01:54 | scorche | this is not a linux help channel |
| 04:02:03 | scorche | and that is not a C issue |
| 04:02:03 | DavidGWRawson | how do I switch to the C channel? |
| 04:02:11 | scorche | you cant using out webclient |
| 04:02:14 | eigma | [21:49] <eigma> David, type "/join #c" |
| 04:02:15 | scorche | our |
| 04:02:18 | maxkelley | /join #c |
| 04:02:22 | scorche | he cant |
| 04:02:33 | krazykit | he's using the web-irc client |
| 04:02:39 | DavidGWRawson | i cant |
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| 04:05:08 | maxkelley | eigma: the c200 sim works for me.. |
| 04:05:59 | eigma | DavidGWRawson: use http://irc.netsplit.de/webchat/?net=freenode if you can; it allows you to join any channel |
| 04:06:15 | scorche | there is also java.freenode.net |
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| 04:09:49 | maxkelley | anyone have c200 pinouts? |
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| 04:16:41 | eigma | any committers: could you also look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7765 |
| 04:17:39 | scorche | if there is no patch, why put it in patches? |
| 04:17:57 | eigma | sorry, I meant to attach one |
| 04:18:25 | eigma | fixed. |
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| 05:11:04 | naurus | iamben: wow, you're still on |
| 05:11:20 | naurus | iamben, i have another problem *guhh* |
| 05:11:37 | chrisjs169 | maddler, ping |
| 05:12:15 | iamben | i was going to start watching tv to put me to sleep, but i seem to have broken mythtv will all of my screwing around today |
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| 05:13:14 | naurus | iamben, i keep getting a "usb_detect" error when i try to compile the source code. all i did when i change from my version 0.3 (which worked fine) to 0.4 is change the english.lang file the say "see ya later" instead of "shutting down" |
| 05:13:42 | naurus | lol, i've done that with things other than tv's |
| 05:14:15 | * | scorche coughs |
| 05:15:44 | iamben | naurus: no idea on that one |
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| 05:24:26 | naurus | iamben, darn |
| 05:25:02 | naurus | how can i do the "* scorche coughs" thing? |
| 05:25:10 | naurus | i'm not an irc wiz |
| 05:25:32 | scorche | /me |
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| 05:28:07 | naurus | thank you |
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| 05:28:45 | * | naurus wonders in anybody knows why my compiler is giving me a sub_detect error! |
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| 05:32:43 | naurus | i didn't change the file that it's complaining about at all |
| 05:33:20 | hcs | er, I'm looking through the chip8 plugin, the license doesn't look very GPL to me... |
| 05:33:57 | hcs | there's the same sort of header as everything else, but below there are "no commercial use" notices |
| 05:34:16 | krazykit | rockbox isn't commercial ;) |
| 05:34:31 | hcs | still, that's incompatible with the gpl |
| 05:34:36 | scorche|ltop | no commercial makes it...yeah |
| 05:39:01 | naurus | hmmm, seems to be working now *puzzled* |
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| 05:39:52 | Myphton | hey is there anyone here that can help me install rockbox on my iPod mini? |
| 05:40:25 | naurus | Myphton, i'm inexperienced, but i may be able to |
| 05:41:00 | naurus | first or second gen? |
| 05:41:01 | Myphton | im completely new lol, better than nothing |
| 05:41:08 | Myphton | 2nd |
| 05:41:34 | scorche|ltop | Myphton: what issue are you having? |
| 05:41:48 | naurus | ok, download this file: http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodmini2g/rockbox.zip |
| 05:42:02 | Myphton | the problem is that i extract all the files and fonts to the correct directories, but when i run the ipodpatch.exe, it doesnt detect that its on my computer |
| 05:42:28 | Myphton | no ipod found |
| 05:42:30 | scorche|ltop | is it in My Computer? |
| 05:42:30 | naurus | hmm, i wouldn't be able to help you with that |
| 05:42:41 | naurus | are you on firewire or usb? |
| 05:42:45 | Myphton | yes |
| 05:42:50 | Myphton | usb |
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| 05:43:14 | naurus | are there any options in the ipodpathch.exe? |
| 05:43:15 | DavidGWRawson | Hello again. |
| 05:43:16 | Myphton | i have disk use enabled |
| 05:43:34 | Myphton | no, no options other than to strike enter to exit |
| 05:43:54 | naurus | iamben: it worked, must've been a cygwin bug |
| 05:44:03 | naurus | huh |
| 05:44:05 | scorche|ltop | Myphton: did you format your device or anything? |
| 05:44:15 | chrisjs169 | Hey DavidGWRawson |
| 05:44:39 | naurus | Myphton, when you connect your ipod, does it come up as a drive when you go into my computer? |
| 05:44:41 | Myphton | no, there is still songs on it, all the necessary software to run it from factory, i havent tampered with any of the files |
| 05:44:49 | naurus | if so, what letter? |
| 05:44:52 | Myphton | yes, it comes up as the K:/ |
| 05:44:57 | Myphton | K: |
| 05:44:59 | DavidGWRawson | I'm working on an easier way to install rockbox. But, I am a little embarassed about this. How do you rename in linux =x |
| 05:45:26 | krazykit | DavidGWRawson, the easier way is to use rbutilqt, or wait til the e200r method is made simpler. |
| 05:45:30 | scorche|ltop | DavidGWRawson: fourth time....GOOGLE...this is not a linux help channel |
| 05:45:38 | naurus | David: i think you have to use the copy command, but i'm not sure |
| 05:45:44 | scorche|ltop | naurus: no |
| 05:46:04 | scorche|ltop | Myphton: so where does it say no ipod found? |
| 05:46:04 | hcs | naurus, DavidGWRawson: mv , a rename is just a move (or rather vice versa) |
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| 05:46:17 | DavidGWRawson | I cant get to the linux channel. The choice thing is locked. |
| 05:46:20 | krazykit | DavidGWRawson, there are tons of articles about getting into the linux command line. i suggest actually doing a little work and hitting google. |
| 05:46:27 | Myphton | scorche: ipodpatch.exe |
| 05:46:41 | advcomp2019 | DavidGWRawson, if you have question with linux just google it |
| 05:46:45 | DavidGWRawson | OK!!! I'll use goolgle!! |
| 05:46:50 | krazykit | good! |
| 05:46:57 | scorche|ltop | DavidGWRawson: you have been told this before...you cant join other channels with our webclient...not being able to join other channels is not an excuse to violate our guidelines |
| 05:46:59 | naurus | do you know what usb mode it is in? |
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| 05:47:16 | naurus | i don't have an ipod, so i'm prolly more hurt than help :P |
| 05:47:26 | scorche|ltop | naurus: likely... |
| 05:47:43 | Myphton | lol, naurus, im unable to say other than it has disk mode enabled |
| 05:47:54 | scorche|ltop | Myphton: have you tried rbutil? |
| 05:48:27 | Myphton | no scorche, what is it |
| 05:48:59 | * | naurus thanks everybody who helped him with his first build, it worked! |
| 05:49:18 | scorche|ltop | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt |
| 05:49:24 | naurus | notibly iamben |
| 05:52:12 | DavidGWRawson | Ok, a good question. Why does rockbox drain so much battery? |
| 05:52:23 | Myphton | cause its that freakin sweet |
| 05:52:30 | naurus | yes, very good, i was wondering that too |
| 05:52:34 | DavidGWRawson | Uses more CPU power? |
| 05:52:39 | scorche|ltop | because many parts of the PP chip are unknown |
| 05:52:55 | Myphton | i think cause of its features it has within itself |
| 05:52:59 | Myphton | thats my guess |
| 05:53:12 | scorche|ltop | there isnt any guessing about it...i just said it |
| 05:53:40 | naurus | well atleast it beats the crap outta the regular sansa firmware |
| 05:53:40 | DavidGWRawson | So it uses things it does'nt need to use? |
| 05:53:52 | scorche|ltop | it shouldnt drain too much..i believe it should be around 1/2 to 3/4 of the OF's battery life on PP502x devices |
| 05:54:03 | DavidGWRawson | Except usb support. |
| 05:54:13 | scorche|ltop | well, we dont know how to control many things in the P chip |
| 05:54:41 | DavidGWRawson | Well, with the OF, it lasts 20 hrs, but with rockbox, it lasts 4 hrs!!! |
| 05:54:49 | Llorean | Basically, the Apple firmware can tell bits of hardware "Stop using power until I need you again", but because we don't have enough information, a lot of times we can't, or we don't know if we're telling them the best way to stop. |
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| 05:54:50 | scorche|ltop | how did you measure? |
| 05:54:56 | scorche|ltop | that should be wrong |
| 05:55:14 | Myphton | hey scorche, how do i use rbutil |
| 05:55:23 | DavidGWRawson | The rockbox info, and what the sansa package said. |
| 05:55:24 | scorche|ltop | Myphton: download it and run it |
| 05:55:39 | scorche|ltop | as you have been told many times, the information is wrong |
| 05:55:43 | DavidGWRawson | Just do the install manually. It's more fun :) |
| 05:55:49 | scorche|ltop | perform a full test and see for yourself |
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| 05:56:22 | DavidGWRawson | are you still scorche? your name seems different |
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| 05:56:38 | DavidGWRawson | an imposteror |
| 05:56:59 | scorche|ltop | because i am on my laptop....if you are ever wondering who someone is, /whois them....you will see i still have my rockbox/administrator/scorche cloak |
| 05:57:18 | Myphton | i keep getting an error "Mount Point Is Wrong" |
| 05:57:37 | DavidGWRawson | laptop scorchetop, funny. |
| 05:57:39 | scorche|ltop | i will only have that cloak if i have identified to nickserv with my password |
| 05:59:09 | DavidGWRawson | I like how with sansapatcher, it puts the OF in the boot partition, rather than the usual SYSTEM folder. |
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| 05:59:34 | DavidGWRawson | Can I format my sansa with sansa.fmt? |
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| 06:01:52 | Myphton | hey, even with the rbutil, i still get the error that my ipod can not be detected |
| 06:02:05 | DavidGWRawson | Hmmmmmmmmm. Sansapatcher uninstalled my bootloader and now, it runs only OF! |
| 06:03:22 | krazykit | DavidGWRawson, i bet it's because you told sansapatcher to do that. |
| 06:03:43 | krazykit | DavidGWRawson, and IRC is not your blog. we don't need to hear about every little thing you do with your sansa. |
| 06:04:40 | DavidGWRawson | What's a blog? I keep hearing about those things. |
| 06:05:11 | krazykit | just. fucking. google it. |
| 06:05:26 | scorche|ltop | cs op #rockbox |
| 06:05:39 | DavidGWRawson | I like....your cat picture..... |
| 06:05:52 | Mode | "#rockbox +o scorche|ltop " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 06:05:53 | Mode | "#rockbox +b %DavidGWRawson!*@* " by scorche|ltop (i=Blah@rockbox/administrator/scorche) |
| 06:06:26 | scorche|ltop | you are muted for 10 minutes...during that time, you might find it prudent to re-read the guidelines and make sure that you do not violate them again |
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| 06:21:24 | Myphton | hey |
| 06:21:32 | Myphton | i got a question |
| 06:21:40 | chrisjs169 | ok |
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| 06:22:01 | Myphton | everything installs on my ipod mini and is extracted 100% |
| 06:22:03 | Mode | "#rockbox -o scorche " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 06:22:20 | Myphton | but when i try to install the bootloader, it can not detect my ipod |
| 06:22:43 | Myphton | is there a way i can install it manually? |
| 06:23:32 | Myphton | btw, i was using rbutil |
| 06:24:07 | * | chrisjs169 doesn't have an ipod =/ |
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| 06:33:20 | Myphton | i keep getting error =( |
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| 06:33:41 | Myphton | anyone on here that has an iPod mini? with rockbox? |
| 06:33:48 | Myphton | i cannot install the bootloader |
| 06:33:53 | Myphton | can i do it manually? |
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| 06:34:30 | Llorean | Myphton: Please don't keep asking the same question over and over, especially when very few people have entered/left the room since then. |
| 06:34:50 | Llorean | What operating system are you on, and what exactly does iPodPatcher say? |
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| 06:35:08 | Myphton | windows xp media center |
| 06:35:18 | Myphton | ipodpatcher.exe says: |
| 06:35:29 | Llorean | Please don't past it in here. |
| 06:35:34 | Llorean | Use a pastebin or similar. |
| 06:35:54 | Myphton | [info] scanning disk drives |
| 06:35:59 | Myphton | then all errors |
| 06:36:20 | Myphton | [err] no ipods found, aborting |
| 06:36:32 | Myphton | please connect ipod to your computer |
| 06:36:46 | Myphton | refer to rockbox manual |
| 06:36:55 | Llorean | If you aren't going to listen to me, I'm not sure why I should help. |
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| 06:38:18 | Myphton | i dont understand, what was it that you instructed me to do |
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| 06:38:43 | Llorean | I 1) Asked you for EXACTLY what it said, and 2) Made it clear not to paste it in here, but rather use a pastebin. |
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| 06:40:23 | Myphton | im sorry, i dont know what a pastebin is |
| 06:40:49 | SofRaZorbacK | hi |
| 06:42:05 | Llorean | Myphton: Did you try perhaps using Google. If you don't know what it is though, you could've asked rather than ignoring my instructions. |
| 06:42:33 | Llorean | "I didn't know how to do it right" should be followed with "so I asked" rather than "so I ignored the instructions." |
| 06:43:45 | Llorean | Another important question: Before attempting to install Rockbox, had you ever installed iPodLinux on your iPod, or had to restore it (with iTunes or manually) for any reason? |
| 06:44:05 | Myphton | im sorry, i dont know how to do it right... im just very tired and ive been trying to get this to work.. |
| 06:44:16 | Myphton | and the answer to the linux question is no |
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| 06:44:48 | Llorean | What about restoring it? |
| 06:45:00 | Myphton | never had to |
| 06:45:10 | Llorean | And you've always owned this iPod, it was not bought used? |
| 06:45:28 | Myphton | right, came from the box which was from a store |
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| 06:45:36 | Myphton | no other owner |
| 06:46:46 | Llorean | Alright, and you've tried both iPodPatcher and the latest version of RBUtil? What error does RBUtil give? |
| 06:47:17 | Myphton | No Ipod Found |
| 06:48:01 | Myphton | like right now, i have all the necessary files to have it on there |
| 06:48:08 | Myphton | i just need the bootloader |
| 06:48:30 | Myphton | and i continue to have errors installing the bootloader for rockbox |
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| 06:48:46 | Llorean | Was iPodPatcher able to autodetect your device, or did you have to select it manually? |
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| 06:49:25 | Myphton | no, ipodpatcher said no ipods found, press enter to abort |
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| 06:49:36 | Myphton | if youd like ill paste the message in here |
| 06:49:40 | Llorean | I meant RBUtil |
| 06:49:53 | Llorean | And I've told you more than once now not to paste in here. |
| 06:49:55 | Myphton | manual |
| 06:50:37 | Llorean | Honestly, you're going to want to file a proper bug report on this, then. |
| 06:50:47 | Myphton | i had to select the K:/ |
| 06:51:04 | Myphton | no other way to install the bootloader manually? |
| 06:51:14 | Llorean | Not without using Linux |
| 06:51:25 | Llorean | But either way, you need to file a bug report, and help us fix this. |
| 06:51:38 | Myphton | how so? |
| 06:51:57 | Myphton | main page? |
| 06:52:07 | Llorean | The link that says "bug reports" yes. |
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| 07:09:25 | DavidGWRawson | Hey. Is it out of topic on the video support for rockbox? It's about converting it. |
| 07:10:26 | DavidGWRawson | Hello? Am I still banned? |
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| 07:10:48 | hcs | DavidGWRawson: have you looked at the mpeg plugin's page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 07:11:35 | DavidGWRawson | Yes, but when I convert a video, the file size is 0 bytes. I downloaded the preset.xml. I am using Ubuntu. |
| 07:12:17 | Ebert | ugh, can someone point me to the preamp prefs? |
| 07:12:21 | scorche | you were never banned...just muted |
| 07:14:02 | DavidGWRawson | Is the mpeg video support good enough to be worth using on rockbox? I have never seen a video played on it. |
| 07:14:13 | scorche | it depends on your device |
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| 07:14:28 | DavidGWRawson | The Sansa e200(R) |
| 07:14:46 | scorche | it should be fine |
| 07:15:29 | DavidGWRawson | But my problem is with the converter. It says it converts the video (avi format), but it creates an empty file. |
| 07:16:20 | johnboy221 | David, are you able to use the rhapsody channels in your dualboot setup? |
| 07:16:41 | DavidGWRawson | no, only e200 firmware is working. |
| 07:17:02 | DavidGWRawson | Rhapsody firmware just freezes and fades the screen white. |
| 07:17:09 | scorche | for you... |
| 07:17:32 | Ebert | i swear i saw "preamp" settings somewhere, is it called something else? |
| 07:17:48 | scorche | Ebert: not sure what you are after... |
| 07:17:52 | DavidGWRawson | And others, you may have seen in the forums, had the same problem. |
| 07:18:01 | scorche | i see |
| 07:18:16 | scorche | i just need to figure out why mine works and yours doesnt |
| 07:18:46 | Ebert | scorche, preamp, so basically the volume is higher in default |
| 07:18:49 | midkay | preamp? we have precut.. |
| 07:19:01 | midkay | nothing about preamp though, i'm 99% sure. |
| 07:19:19 | Chronon | You could fake it by boosting all bands of the EQ. . . |
| 07:19:37 | Ebert | not what i mean chronon |
| 07:19:38 | scorche | replaygain? |
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| 07:20:07 | midkay | Ebert: then we don't have it, simple as. |
| 07:20:17 | midkay | that's the only way to get it louder, manually boosting all the bands. |
| 07:20:21 | Ebert | alright bottom lines guy :) |
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| 07:20:28 | midkay | that's me! |
| 07:21:02 | Ebert | what im looking for basically puts the regular volume controls at a higher level |
| 07:21:17 | scorche | why would you want that? |
| 07:21:20 | Ebert | potentially to have a higher max volume |
| 07:21:35 | Ebert | the car stereo i plug it into needs more preamp |
| 07:21:45 | scorche | well, the max you can ever go is line level (0), unless you want clipping |
| 07:22:30 | Ebert | its loud enough, but have to put up the car stereo to higher levels, sucks when i switch out of Aux. |
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| 07:22:57 | scorche | well, as i said, you can go higher, but expect clipping |
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| 07:23:17 | Chronon | Ebert, are you using line out or the headphone jack? |
| 07:23:30 | Ebert | line out |
| 07:23:40 | Ebert | thx scorche, informative |
| 07:23:59 | Ebert | ah, also i have a bug, maybe you know if its hardware or software: |
| 07:24:16 | Ebert | everytime i power up my Gigabeat for a session, it says "battery low" on the first attempt |
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| 07:24:57 | johnboy221 | thanks |
| 07:25:03 | Ebert | second attempt, powers up fine. Its doing this more frequently now, always powers on second attempt tho. this is with battery on, doesn't matter how charged it is |
| 07:25:35 | DavidGWRawson | In the video converter, do I need to put in the bitrate, etc? |
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| 07:28:06 | Chronon | Ebert, never happens on mine. |
| 07:29:13 | Ebert | hm, dont tell me its a hardware thing |
| 07:30:38 | Chronon | David, you need to tell it somehow. Is that stored in the preset.xml? |
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| 07:31:15 | DavidGWRawson | Nevermind. I further read that it was because of an incompatability. I'm trying something else. |
| 07:31:27 | johnboy221 | scorche, are you the only person who is successfully dual booting into the rhapsody firmware? |
| 07:31:36 | scorche | it seems like it |
| 07:32:07 | DavidGWRawson | You must have a refabricated one. Originally an e200? Maybe not... |
| 07:32:23 | scorche | no....it is a brand new e250R as i have said... |
| 07:32:32 | scorche | trust me...i would know if it wasnt really an R |
| 07:33:50 | advcomp2019 | i could do it to mine but i am holding off, DavidGWRawson |
| 07:34:52 | johnboy221 | dang...i really want rockbox, but the channels are the reason I bought it in the first place... |
| 07:35:43 | DavidGWRawson | holding off, as in the power button? |
| 07:36:10 | DavidGWRawson | Well, maybe I'll just use the OF's media player? |
| 07:36:23 | Ebert | johnboy221: channels? |
| 07:36:55 | advcomp2019 | holding off putting rockbox on my e280r, DavidGWRawson |
| 07:37:08 | johnboy221 | Rhapsody channels...part of the rhapsody enabled e200 series |
| 07:37:50 | DavidGWRawson | Well, mine dualboots just fine, even without rhapsody, I'm happy that it at least has USB support. |
| 07:38:23 | scorche | johnboy221: feel free to try it, and if it doesnt work, restore it |
| 07:39:04 | DavidGWRawson | Yea, I tried it on mine, but didn't get it the first time. |
| 07:39:17 | Ebert | oh, does that auto-download rhapsody stuff? |
| 07:39:22 | DavidGWRawson | But after success, it becomes easy. |
| 07:39:29 | scorche | well, we told you not to do it because you didnt understand it...you ignored us |
| 07:39:49 | DavidGWRawson | Well, I very well understand it now. |
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| 07:40:29 | DavidGWRawson | All I have to say is follow their instructions. |
| 07:40:49 | DavidGWRawson | Because you ll have problems like me |
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| 07:41:59 | Ebert | david, these guys sometimes seem a little tight in the seat. they must need an hour massage or something |
| 07:42:14 | johnboy221 | yeah, you drop a 'channel' like '80's Tunes' onto the player and it auto download like 4 hours from that genre |
| 07:42:31 | johnboy221 | then the next time you sync the player, it replaces all the songs you listened to |
| 07:43:00 | johnboy221 | scorche, I haven't found a good step by step to restore :/ |
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| 08:16:55 | Ave | wow lots and lots of traffic at the #7510 bug |
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| 08:23:56 | GodEater | ah, pretty bad |
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| 08:47:56 | markun | Ebert: I also have this "battery low" problem |
| 08:48:00 | markun | no idea why |
| 08:48:11 | Ebert | ah, high five markun |
| 08:48:15 | Ebert | how long? |
| 08:48:31 | markun | as long as the port exists :) |
| 08:49:12 | Ebert | its only an inconvenience, i just was fearful the connection might be going |
| 08:50:04 | SofRaZorbacK | hello all |
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| 08:50:25 | markun | SofRaZorbacK: hi |
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| 08:51:22 | ddalton | SofRaZorbacK: Did you email me before? Or was that someone else. |
| 08:51:54 | SofRaZorbacK | ddalton: it was me :) |
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| 08:52:32 | SofRaZorbacK | ddalton: glad to see you here :) |
| 08:52:36 | ddalton | SofRaZorbacK: do you want me to help you now? My instructions weren't very good. |
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| 08:53:42 | SofRaZorbacK | ddalton: i still haven't look at me emails i'll do that and come back. thanks for the offer ! |
| 08:53:51 | ddalton | ok |
| 08:53:59 | markun | Ebert: my guess would be that we leave the ADC for the battery voltage in a wrong state when we shutdown |
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| 08:58:15 | ddalton | can someone see if they can fix the problems with p7764? |
| 08:59:34 | Llorean | ddalton: I don't understand what you mean by "When restarting playback nothing is voiced" |
| 08:59:59 | Llorean | But as for hold being on, the buttons aren't registered at all on some players, so it makes sense that nothing is voiced: To the player nothing is pressed. |
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| 09:00:18 | Llorean | At least, as far as I know. Other players have a software hold, but it's still treated similarly |
| 09:00:32 | ddalton | well when you press play I thought it would say restarting playback. But what about the hold thing. With the little bit of eye sight I do have I noticed that the back light doesn't go on if you press a button when hold is on. |
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| 09:01:00 | ddalton | so could we make it say "Hold on" when you press something with hold on? |
| 09:01:03 | ddalton | a key |
| 09:01:39 | ddalton | ok so really there is nothing good in that patch right? Can you see anything in it that might be worth having? |
| 09:01:59 | ddalton | also there is a string for hold in english.lang. Why is this? |
| 09:02:01 | Llorean | I'm confused. |
| 09:02:05 | SofRaZorbacK | ddaltonalton: thx for the email. i'll answer back to you since it's more cunfortable for me. your explanations sound clear i just have to figure it out properly |
| 09:02:15 | Llorean | 1) Why should it say "Resuming Playback" when there is no message for this? |
| 09:02:31 | ddalton | what nothing is displayed on the screen? |
| 09:02:37 | ddalton | I am blind so don't know |
| 09:02:42 | Llorean | 2) What do you expect it to do when on hold. It is *supposed* to act like no buttons are pressed, that is what hold is for. |
| 09:02:53 | amiconn | Why should it say "resuming playback" at all?? |
| 09:02:59 | Llorean | amiconn: That's what I'm asking. |
| 09:03:10 | Llorean | It doesn't show "Resuming Playback" so it shouldn't speak it... |
| 09:03:16 | Llorean | You know playback is resuming because you hear playback. |
| 09:03:23 | amiconn | Even if you're blind you'll hear that it resumes, because of the music (or speech) played... |
| 09:03:27 | ddalton | ok forget both of them. But I thought if it was possible that might be useful but probably not. |
| 09:03:29 | ddalton | yeah |
| 09:03:48 | ddalton | so is there anything worth having in that patch? I know the plugin errors are voiced. |
| 09:04:14 | ddalton | hmm There is a syncsplash for it. |
| 09:04:19 | ddalton | "Restarting playback" |
| 09:04:48 | ddalton | about the email you can pm me. |
| 09:05:48 | ddalton | so is there anything worth having in there or should someone just close it. |
| 09:06:02 | amiconn | That is for a special case: if you enable or disable crossfade, or change the crossfade duration, playback has to be restarted |
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| 09:06:13 | amiconn | That's what the splash is for |
| 09:06:25 | ddalton | what about the hold one then? |
| 09:06:31 | amiconn | ? |
| 09:06:49 | ddalton | did you see the gui_syncsplash for the hold lang? |
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| 09:07:36 | ddalton | amiconn: So just forget about the patch? What do you think? |
| 09:08:38 | amiconn | The hold splash is for targets with soft hold |
| 09:09:14 | ddalton | amiconn: So should we just close the patch? Or is there something useful in it? |
| 09:09:43 | Llorean | ddalton: Doesn't the patch voice a lot of other things that aren't those two? |
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| 09:11:22 | ddalton | what do you mean by "aren't those two?"? |
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| 09:12:56 | Llorean | That patch voices things like "Scanning Disk" |
| 09:13:25 | Llorean | Why should it be rejected? |
| 09:14:14 | ddalton | ok so you think it is useful. |
| 09:14:58 | ddalton | if you do I am happy to strip it down. So remove some of the stuff in there like "hold" or should this stay? |
| 09:15:01 | Llorean | No, I didn't say that either. |
| 09:15:15 | Llorean | You seem to be reading a lot into things that are much simpler statements. |
| 09:15:36 | ddalton | well then what do you think of it? |
| 09:16:23 | Llorean | I don't know, I'm not really interested in voice. I was just pointing out that Rockbox was behaving as expected, and those two notes in your patch are "behaviour as expected" |
| 09:16:39 | amiconn | The "hold" voicing should be removed imo. While it would in fact be useful to voice this on the soft-hold targets, it is not possible |
| 09:17:37 | amiconn | The targets employing soft hold are the old archoses, as they have no hold switch. But soft hold is only used in the wps, and then music is playing. The archoses are hwcodec and so it's not possible to voice something while music is playing |
| 09:18:15 | ddalton | Ok I will remove both "hold" and "Restarting playback" Would that be ok? |
| 09:18:23 | SofRaZorbacK | gotta let you all, keep on the great work and thanks again for all the support in here. |
| 09:18:29 | Llorean | ddalton: Nobody said to remove Restarting Playback... |
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| 09:18:48 | ddalton | so when is it voiced? Can you give me an example so I can test? |
| 09:19:07 | Llorean | ddalton: Amiconn already told you, when you enable or disable crossfade it may happen. |
| 09:19:16 | ddalton | how do I do that? |
| 09:19:47 | Llorean | It's a setting, I believe in the Playback menu. It's not a feature I use... |
| 09:20:23 | ddalton | so then if I remove the hold stuff would that be better? |
| 09:22:30 | Ebert | try what he said first |
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| 09:28:45 | * | ddalton Will be back |
| 09:28:51 | ddalton | later |
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| 10:04:36 | * | ddalton Hates connection drop outs. Especially when you can't see what lights are on on the modem! |
| 10:05:05 | B4gder | indeed, they should go for braille lights! |
| 10:05:18 | B4gder | (or however you spell that word) |
| 10:05:38 | ddalton | hahahah |
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| 10:28:42 | ddalton | aliask: Around? |
| 10:30:41 | ddalton | What is a good book that will teach me the stuff I need to know to code on rockbox? |
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| 10:31:21 | hachi | how do I know which fonts support what character codepages? |
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| 10:34:05 | bluebrother | hachi: check rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/ |
| 10:37:02 | hachi | perfect, thanks |
| 10:37:09 | pixelma | the UnicodeFonts page in the wiki gives also an oversight over a few fonts |
| 10:38:02 | hachi | see, now I typed 'fonts' into the wiki and it gave me nothing |
| 10:38:28 | GodEater | hachi: Did you type it into the "Go" box though ? |
| 10:38:33 | GodEater | which isn't a search function |
| 10:38:36 | pixelma | maybe you typed it into the "go" box? Happens to me too, although I know it |
| 10:39:37 | hachi | what size is unifont? |
| 10:41:59 | GodEater | −−> <−−- this big |
| 10:42:57 | Llorean | It's "Larger than I like to use" |
| 10:43:09 | Llorean | At least on most of my players |
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| 10:44:53 | webguest89 | Hi Rockboxers.. |
| 10:45:03 | SofRaZorbacK | hi :) |
| 10:45:20 | bluebrother | hi DefaultNameUser ;) |
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| 10:46:31 | ddalton | SofRaZorbacK: Do you want help with that translation now? |
| 10:46:35 | webguest89 | I am so happy that the e200 is working very good.... |
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| 10:46:50 | ddalton | It might be easier if I just go through it with you here. |
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| 10:47:32 | ddalton | What is the best player running rb at the minute? |
| 10:47:36 | webguest89 | I have a microsd 2GB card working perfectly, and today I read that rockbox supports 4 |
| 10:47:39 | SofRaZorbacK | webguest89: yes your right man this player is good |
| 10:47:45 | webguest89 | .... 4GB as well |
| 10:47:54 | ddalton | SofRaZorbacK: did you see my message? |
| 10:48:24 | ddalton | does that player have a wake up rtc? |
| 10:48:34 | webguest89 | but I just noticed that there are 6GB also available soon. Is it true that 4GB are supported, and what about 6GB? |
| 10:48:37 | SofRaZorbacK | ddalton: yes many thanks i'll reply by email lol;K i'll c"ertaily have some questions |
| 10:48:47 | B4gder | webguest89: rockbox supports microsdhc |
| 10:48:49 | bluebrother | webguest89: Rockbox supports SDHC |
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| 10:49:01 | B4gder | webguest89: you should be able to run at least up to 32GB cards |
| 10:49:06 | bluebrother | that means that all sizes SDHC can have are supported. IIRC this is up to 32GB |
| 10:49:15 | B4gder | /echo off |
| 10:49:16 | bluebrother | B4gder: beat me ;) |
| 10:49:24 | B4gder | :-) |
| 10:49:37 | SofRaZorbacK | ddalton and ok it's not the topic b ut thx for the t-bird script! :) |
| 10:49:49 | webguest89 | ok, so there's no upper limit then.... wow. Anyone knows when 32GB sdhc is under 50$ ??? ;) |
| 10:50:00 | * | bluebrother gets the impression he is mean and grumpy too :D |
| 10:50:20 | ddalton | what about the t-bird script? |
| 10:50:34 | B4gder | bluebrother: just be careful so that you don't end up being discussed! :-] |
| 10:50:50 | GodEater | especially not at the Zend conference |
| 10:50:52 | bluebrother | webguest89: SDHC are available up to 8GB afaik. At least on the marked. But even those are hard to find |
| 10:50:58 | SofRaZorbacK | ddalton it's cool! but i won't go further on that , they will kick me lol ! |
| 10:51:17 | bluebrother | B4gder: well, some german Rockbox forum "scared" me away already a while ago. |
| 10:51:36 | GodEater | SofRaZorbacK: there's always #rockbox-community |
| 10:51:47 | ddalton | can you tell me what ones your talking about? |
| 10:51:49 | B4gder | btw, SPI is another org we could consider for "hosting" us |
| 10:52:02 | GodEater | B4gder: less acronyms we don't know please ;) |
| 10:52:23 | bluebrother | SPI = Serial Peripherial Interface :P |
| 10:52:38 | B4gder | software in the public interest |
| 10:52:40 | GodEater | Singapore Paranormal Investogators |
| 10:52:48 | B4gder | they're behind debian for example |
| 10:52:52 | GodEater | ah ha |
| 10:52:52 | B4gder | heard of that ? ;-) |
| 10:52:59 | GodEater | yes :) |
| 10:53:02 | webguest89 | the last 2 weeks I was on vacation and had a lot of time to use and experiment with e280 (+microsd) and rockbox. after some hours I decided, if my e280 breaks, I'll order another e280 the next second. just because of rockbox ;) |
| 10:53:11 | SofRaZorbacK | darkless : lol sory i don't still master irc really i'll tell by email |
| 10:53:25 | SofRaZorbacK | whoops ddalton ! |
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| 10:55:44 | webguest89 | what happens if i start OF on a e280 with 4GB SDHC? will it just ignore the card? |
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| 10:56:31 | bluebrother | most likely. |
| 10:56:44 | B4gder | I think so, i believe others have said so |
| 10:56:59 | Llorean | If it did anything other than ignore it, I'd consider it buggy behaviour |
| 10:57:00 | bluebrother | SDHC and SD have different adressing formats. If the OF doesn't detect the card as SDHC it won't find the data. |
| 10:57:01 | B4gder | and in fact, that's handy since then you won't see the annoying OF database update |
| 10:57:27 | webguest89 | the "news" that rockbox supports sdhc just made my day... |
| 10:57:28 | B4gder | but of course you can't use the OF to populate the card |
| 10:58:29 | Llorean | I find myself wondering... |
| 10:58:51 | webguest89 | Oh, no OF database update? this is great because its so annoying... but I will see the 4GB under windows as well? |
| 10:59:01 | Llorean | When booted into the OF for USB mode, the MicroSD card shows up as a separate device/drive. Is an HC one accessible like that, or will that be another "feature" we add once USB works? |
| 10:59:05 | B4gder | webguest89: under windows? |
| 10:59:32 | B4gder | I don't think the hc will appear at all over usb right now |
| 10:59:42 | B4gder | I can't see how it could |
| 10:59:43 | webguest89 | e280 with 4GB in normal USB mode under windows... |
| 10:59:53 | bluebrother | you need a card reader that supports SDHC. That's all |
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| 11:00:02 | B4gder | yes, or copy and paste within rockbox |
| 11:00:28 | bluebrother | cheap card readers usually don't support SDHC though ... |
| 11:00:44 | * | Llorean will just wait on an SDHC card until the USB Stack is done then. |
| 11:00:45 | webguest89 | ok, so I also nead a card reader that supports sdhc or is it enough just to use a sdhc to normal sd adapter in a common card reader? |
| 11:01:25 | B4gder | the card reader needs to support the hc part |
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| 11:01:44 | bluebrother | the MicroSD -> SD adapter is only a mechanical thing. |
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| 11:02:38 | webguest89 | ah, ok. A working USB stack for rockbox then also means that I can plug the e280 into windows while rockbox is running? |
| 11:02:47 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:03:50 | webguest89 | very good :-)) so, whats the plans/ongoings for the USB stack? |
| 11:04:12 | bluebrother | it's being worked on. |
| 11:06:16 | webguest89 | ehm, about where would you say... more at the beginning, the middle or near the end? |
| 11:06:17 | GodEater | in fits and starts :) |
| 11:07:32 | bluebrother | does it already show up as ums device? |
| 11:13:36 | * | ddalton Will be back later! |
| 11:13:47 | webguest89 | I just found a 6GB for about 52 Euro plus shipping.. is this goosd? where are 8GB sdhc sold? |
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| 11:16:26 | webguest89 | on the wiki main page there was a 4 weeks svn history link... it's gone now and I really miss it... |
| 11:17:13 | pixelma | only the link is gone, not the site http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html |
| 11:17:34 | webguest89 | thanks ;) |
| 11:19:15 | webguest89 | ups, it was not the wiki main page, it was the rockbox main page... |
| 11:19:48 | pixelma | if you mean the design of the frontpage, that's been discussed here and the current version probably won't stay forever... |
| 11:21:31 | webguest89 | yeah, after e200 dev started, I came by on a about weekly base, and the 4 weeks history was the most important link to keep me up with ongoing dev... |
| 11:28:49 | webguest89 | a last sdhc question... is 32GB the sdhc limit, a rockbox limit or a e200 limit? |
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| 11:29:30 | scorche | sdhc |
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| 11:36:25 | webguest89 | my actual rockbox version on e280 is aroun 22.08.2007. the remaining battery time (when its between 40% and 80%) is very bad... I used battery bench to get some data, and I found out that my e280 worked about 14h when playing music and very low use of the screen... |
| 11:36:32 | ddalton | SofRaZorbacK: Have you replied? Or do you want me to help you on here? I am just going to continue reading my c book now so if you have time now would be good. |
| 11:37:49 | webguest89 | I mean the shown remaining battery time in hours and minuters |
| 11:38:46 | scorche | webguest89: yes...it is not accurate |
| 11:39:03 | bluebrother | the remaining runtime calculation is quite wrong on PP targets (including the sansa) |
| 11:42:09 | amiconn | scorche: Really? The sdhc is a rather short-sighted extension... |
| 11:42:19 | amiconn | s/The/Then/ |
| 11:42:24 | bluebrother | it is. |
| 11:42:46 | amiconn | MMC (originally) does have a 4GB limitation. MMC4.2 extends this up to 2TB |
| 11:42:48 | scorche | actually, i was wrong...i picked that up somewhere else |
| 11:44:04 | pixelma | +4GB MMCs are yet to be seen though :\ |
| 11:45:07 | Llorean | amiconn: My understanding is that the SDHC standard goes up to 32gb, but that technically the physical limitation is similar (2TB). |
| 11:45:46 | Llorean | The wikipedia article seems to suggest that 32GB is the largest announced card size, and the limitation is 2048GB as well. |
| 11:46:25 | scorche | actually, no...i think i might be right |
| 11:46:35 | scorche | High Capacity SD Memory Card: More than 2GB (This version of specification limits |
| 11:46:35 | scorche | capacity up to and including 32GB) |
| 11:46:42 | scorche | that is from the actual spec paper |
| 11:46:52 | webguest89 | oh, i can't wait for a 2048GB card for my e280 |
| 11:47:08 | scorche | High Capacity SD Memory Cards supports capacity more than 2 G bytes (2 |
| 11:47:08 | scorche | 31 |
| 11:47:08 | scorche | bytes) and this version |
| 11:47:08 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK scorche |
| 11:47:08 | scorche | of specification limits capacity up to and including 32 GB. High Capacity SD Memory Card is newly |
| 11:47:09 | scorche | defined from the Physical Layer Specification Version 2.00. |
| 11:47:15 | scorche | ack...this is not pasting well |
| 11:47:29 | Llorean | scorche: Notice that it "limits", suggesting it can go higher. :) |
| 11:47:53 | bluebrother | the german wikipedia article states 32GB as maximum |
| 11:47:53 | bluebrother | and I think to remember I read that value in the sandisk specs some time ago |
| 11:48:06 | scorche | yup, but it seems it IS the specification after all |
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| 11:52:49 | bluebrother | the data address is 32 bits and multiple of 512 bytes for sdhc. |
| 11:53:10 | bluebrother | so theoretically it could address 2TiB |
| 11:53:40 | bluebrother | (footnote 10 on page 117 of the PHY layer spec 2.0) |
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| 12:01:21 | webguest89 | omg, the e280 is available in germany for 92 Euro!!! Thinking about to buy a bsckup... |
| 12:01:41 | ddalton | SofRaZorbacK : Just replied to you. |
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| 12:04:40 | markun | webguest89: do you have a link? |
| 12:05:00 | webguest89 | http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a214776.html |
| 12:06:41 | Buschel | could anyone include "iPOD video" as player type in flyspray? I had to choose "iPOD nano" for a patch which is only valid for the iPOD video |
| 12:07:40 | Llorean | Buschel: Didn't you think it fit better under "iPod 5G"? |
| 12:08:01 | bluebrother | Buschel: Video is 5G |
| 12:08:22 | Buschel | Llorean: Sorry, I am too blind :/ |
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| 12:09:30 | Buschel | can anyone change #FS7763 to playertype iPOD 5G? |
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| 12:10:49 | Llorean | Buschel: Even Apple doesn't spell it iPOD, by the way... |
| 12:11:20 | pixelma | Buschel: changed |
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| 12:18:15 | garetht | Lo |
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| 12:23:03 | Buschel | pixelma: Danke :) |
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| 12:29:10 | tyrion_ | hey, which takes preference in Database view, ID3v1 or ID3v2? |
| 12:29:27 | GodEater | depends on how you've set it up |
| 12:30:14 | tyrion_ | what's the default? |
| 12:30:46 | preglow | id3v2 |
| 12:30:50 | preglow | check your settings |
| 12:31:53 | preglow | btw, could anyone tell me anyone would ever want to prioritise id3v1? |
| 12:32:03 | preglow | insert "why" |
| 12:32:18 | B4gder | because some people still live in caves |
| 12:32:20 | maxkelley | more compatibil.. I dunno :) |
| 12:32:41 | pixelma | less bytes? |
| 12:32:43 | tyrion_ | a tag editor may only support ID3v1 |
| 12:32:44 | preglow | B4gder: my point is we should just nuke that option, it's pointless |
| 12:33:02 | maxkelley | eh, I dunno. |
| 12:33:02 | preglow | if there is id3v2, then hell yes, that's what you want to use |
| 12:33:14 | B4gder | I believe it popped up because people use various tools and often have both kinds of tags |
| 12:33:25 | maxkelley | there's not going to be two id3 tags in one song, will there? |
| 12:33:31 | B4gder | surely so |
| 12:33:36 | preglow | yes they do, and when you have id3v2, that's the one that can actually fit the song name of your favourite bal-sagoth track |
| 12:33:39 | B4gder | that's why the option is there |
| 12:33:45 | maxkelley | ah, ok. |
| 12:33:51 | maxkelley | well, then, the option makes sense |
| 12:33:59 | B4gder | having two is weird in the first place of course |
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| 12:34:27 | preglow | maxkelley: it doesn't, if you ask me, the id3v2 one is at the start of the file, which makes it the one you find first. and if you find that, there's no need to seek to the end of the file to look for id3v1 |
| 12:34:31 | maxkelley | aye, let's gro protest. |
| 12:34:47 | maxkelley | mm. |
| 12:34:48 | preglow | so i don't get why anyone would ever want to use the "id3v1 then id3v2" setting |
| 12:35:15 | B4gder | I think it was juts because there was some oddball once upon the time that wanted exactly that |
| 12:35:17 | tyrion_ | B4gder: having both is a pain in the arse, but some podcasts arse stuff up and put in two different tags, like putting the date as the title in the ID3v1 and the EP name and number in ID3v2 |
| 12:35:32 | preglow | B4gder: time to reduce some settings bloat, then :> |
| 12:35:37 | garetht | Hi |
| 12:36:00 | maxkelley | you could use the id3v1 to implement a "song that follows after" directive, which tells rockbox to force playback of two songs together (happiest days of our lives/Another Brick in the Wall) |
| 12:36:07 | B4gder | tyrion_: perhaps, but with garbage in, gargage out should not be surprising! ;-) |
| 12:36:26 | preglow | maxkelley: we always do that |
| 12:36:38 | maxkelley | good point :) |
| 12:37:30 | Febs | tyrion_: what tag editor supports only ID3v1? |
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| 12:38:27 | maxkelley | does flac use id3? |
| 12:38:33 | B4gder | no |
| 12:38:35 | Llorean | flac uses vorbis comments. |
| 12:38:37 | B4gder | id3 is mp3 only |
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| 12:38:42 | maxkelley | ah, ok. |
| 12:38:57 | preglow | well, flac doesn't use it, but that hasn't stopped idiots from appending id3 to flac anyway |
| 12:39:04 | preglow | it's so common rockbox has to handle it |
| 12:39:09 | Llorean | B4gder: If I recall grip stupidly appends ID3 to flac under default settings. |
| 12:39:22 | B4gder | right, stupid things still happen |
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| 12:39:24 | * | maxkelley likes the vorbis family. |
| 12:39:31 | preglow | it's so flaming stupid |
| 12:39:37 | preglow | it has its own comment format and everything |
| 12:39:44 | preglow | you'd need to be a right flaming fool to append id3 to flac |
| 12:39:49 | amiconn | Llorean: If you change the encoder but don't change related settings, garbage is expected |
| 12:39:57 | amiconn | It's the same in EAC |
| 12:40:25 | Llorean | amiconn: I've never actually used grip, I've just run into people using it whose tags don't show up. |
| 12:40:40 | preglow | amiconn: btw, you have any good reasons to retain the id3 tag priority setting? |
| 12:40:50 | maxkelley | heh. |
| 12:41:05 | amiconn | Some people don't like id3v2 it seems |
| 12:41:12 | preglow | should we care? |
| 12:41:13 | maxkelley | it's 6:40 in the morning and I'm debating over ID3. I should probably type "whereis life" into the closest shell. |
| 12:41:13 | * | Llorean doesn't see why we can't mandate "ID3v2 will be read first. v1 will only be used if v2 is not present" |
| 12:41:28 | garetht | Are there any plans to have a simelar option to CoverFlow implemented in RockBox ? |
| 12:41:28 | preglow | Llorean: that's what i want |
| 12:41:34 | preglow | kiss |
| 12:41:37 | preglow | no need for an otion |
| 12:41:39 | preglow | option |
| 12:41:46 | Llorean | I agree wholeheartedly for this one. |
| 12:41:53 | maxkelley | yeah, I guess I agree. |
| 12:41:53 | Llorean | Unless there's a good reason otherwise, of course. |
| 12:42:04 | preglow | if you have irrational hate for id3v2: your problem |
| 12:42:06 | maxkelley | order in the court of rockbox. |
| 12:42:25 | pixelma | if t ID3v1 then they would |
| 12:42:28 | Llorean | garetht: Rockbox doesn't make plans, generally. It's a project by volunteers, so anyone could work on it if so desired. |
| 12:42:42 | Llorean | garetht: That being said, we encourage people to work on fixing bugs and implementing useful features rather than eyecandy. |
| 12:43:02 | pixelma | oops... wanted to say - if one prefers ID3v1 they shouldn't have v2 tags... (so agreed) |
| 12:43:34 | preglow | unfortunately, this also means editing a huge bunch of lang files... |
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| 12:44:01 | maxkelley | heh. |
| 12:44:46 | maxkelley | make a bash script that looks up a translation for each language of "ID3 tag settings", and generates from a basic template patch, then patches it :) |
| 12:44:57 | pixelma | preglow: I thought marking them as "deprecated" would be enough? |
| 12:45:00 | LinusN | i seem to remember a valid reason for v1 before v2 |
| 12:45:11 | pixelma | in english.lang that is |
| 12:45:16 | LinusN | or rather, i remember there being one |
| 12:45:21 | preglow | LinusN: actaully remembering it is better :) |
| 12:45:29 | maxkelley | right, well, I'm off to school. |
| 12:45:29 | preglow | what's wrong with my typing today :/ |
| 12:46:40 | preglow | the option is passed all over the place, i'd love to remove it :P |
| 12:47:57 | LinusN | me too actually |
| 12:48:04 | preglow | working on it now |
| 12:48:14 | preglow | pixelma: then that bodes well for me |
| 12:48:20 | preglow | LinusN: what was the reason? |
| 12:48:43 | LinusN | i *think* it had something to do with having different language encodings |
| 12:49:19 | preglow | well, we'll soon find out if someone actually cares |
| 12:49:26 | LinusN | hehe |
| 12:49:49 | LinusN | i think it may matter to Player users |
| 12:50:08 | preglow | they should start stripping id3v2 tags, then |
| 12:50:15 | LinusN | then you could want displayable tags in v1, and full tags in v2 |
| 12:50:36 | preglow | hmm, can't rockbox handle that better now that we're unicode? |
| 12:50:50 | LinusN | preglow: one nice thing about rockbox is that you can copy your entire collection to the player without fuzz |
| 12:51:06 | LinusN | preglow: no chinese charset on the player |
| 12:51:11 | LinusN | for example |
| 12:51:20 | preglow | indeed, and i'm actually quite keen on keeping it that way myself |
| 12:51:24 | preglow | but this is such a fringe case... |
| 12:51:29 | LinusN | for you maybe |
| 12:52:02 | LinusN | sometimes, even the most simple feature is golden to some people |
| 12:52:14 | preglow | sure, we've rejected tons of them |
| 12:52:27 | preglow | tons of nice little golden features that three or four people like |
| 12:52:34 | preglow | this is one of them |
| 12:52:43 | LinusN | like the remove leading "The" option |
| 12:53:05 | LinusN | i think there are more chinese people that just 3 or 4 ;-) |
| 12:53:18 | B4gder | billions? ;-) |
| 12:53:21 | preglow | if there were 3 or 4 chinese people left with players at all, i'd be surrpised, heh |
| 12:53:26 | LinusN | haha |
| 12:53:29 | LinusN | true |
| 12:53:37 | preglow | surprised too. /me warms fingers |
| 12:53:42 | Llorean | Why not remove it, and wait a month for outcries. |
| 12:53:54 | preglow | i'm working on removing it anyway, if only to see the bin size impact |
| 12:53:55 | LinusN | or start a poll in the forums, just for fun |
| 12:54:15 | B4gder | no player users are there anyway |
| 12:54:17 | Llorean | LinusN: I'd bet I could count the number of people who own players and would actually notice such a poll on one hand. |
| 12:54:20 | LinusN | "can you find any use for the "V1 then V2" option?" |
| 12:54:38 | Llorean | LinusN: "Are you aware of the V1 then V2 option?" |
| 12:55:02 | B4gder | well I am aware of it, but I don't find any use for it |
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| 12:56:43 | preglow | all the manual invocations of mp3info in plugins and such set id3v1first to false anyway |
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| 12:59:35 | The-Compiler | Hi there |
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| 13:03:59 | amiconn | The player learned to display a lot more charsets ~ half a year ago (but of course no chinese) |
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| 13:04:25 | preglow | archos.mod is uncompressed firmware, yes? |
| 13:04:32 | amiconn | That reminds me - is there a way to automatically convert japanese text into katakana? |
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| 13:04:56 | preglow | removing this features frees a bit over 200 bytes, even in rockbox.ucl, for some reason |
| 13:04:58 | preglow | player |
| 13:05:01 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, atm. Just scrambled with the archos scramble algorithm |
| 13:05:58 | preglow | ahh, no, 167 bytes in rockbox.ucl |
| 13:07:05 | pixelma | why don't you compare the rockbox.bin? |
| 13:07:05 | amiconn | rockbox.ucl is compressed. rombox.ucl is not |
| 13:07:53 | preglow | pixelma: because i didn't know it was there :P |
| 13:08:41 | amiconn | rockbox.bin exists for all targets |
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| 13:09:58 | preglow | 220 bytes for rockbox.bin |
| 13:10:12 | preglow | english is no longer embedded in the main binary, no? |
| 13:10:16 | preglow | so this is just code savings |
| 13:10:51 | pixelma | surely english is still compiled in |
| 13:12:05 | preglow | *shrug* |
| 13:12:12 | preglow | i think i remember some talk of it not being so anymore |
| 13:12:29 | preglow | but i don't really know that part of rockbox too well at all, so |
| 13:14:30 | pixelma | the major part of binary size savings from langV2 was because of that |
| 13:14:38 | preglow | true |
| 13:15:39 | preglow | wasn't there some new lang cleanup going on, btw? |
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| 13:16:27 | pixelma | not that I know of... |
| 13:16:40 | preglow | then i was probably just dreaming something |
| 13:19:03 | preglow | 220 bytes on recorder too, so no huge savings |
| 13:19:04 | preglow | not surprisingly |
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| 13:20:09 | pixelma | there were some discussions about how to deal with localisation and voice etc. in plugins, that's all I can remember happen in this area lately |
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| 13:27:37 | preglow | jhMikeS: it's not like Buschel is a stranger to fixed point code... |
| 13:28:00 | Buschel | ...just read the post... |
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| 13:32:14 | preglow | Llorean: btw, we gonna see some mob stuff commited soon? |
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| 13:33:10 | Llorean | Last time I asked, I was assured we would. I need to start prodding. |
| 13:33:27 | webguest68 | hello, one question: is it on purpose that you can't choose battery capacity on e200? |
| 13:33:53 | Llorean | webguest68: Do you have a battery with a capacity other than that provided with the Sansa? |
| 13:34:25 | webguest68 | no, I don't... so this is a default entry which will not be changed? |
| 13:34:33 | markun | Llorean: we should probably disable it on the Gigabeat (and other players with internal batteries?) as well |
| 13:34:43 | B4gder | webguest68: why does it matter at all? |
| 13:35:11 | Llorean | webguest68: It should only ever be changed if you insert a battery with a different capacity than the official |
| 13:35:13 | rasher | markun: ipods and the coldfire irivers have aftermarket batteries available (with different capacity fromt he original) |
| 13:35:32 | Llorean | markun: On h120, for example, the battery is internal but I've replaced mine. On one like the Gigabeat F where different batteries aren't available, it should probably be disabled. |
| 13:35:40 | Llorean | The Gigabeat S though, seems to have third-party batteries available. |
| 13:35:59 | webguest68 | well, a replacemt battery could have other capacities and, I think the capacity setup is mentioned in the manual for e200 |
| 13:36:25 | Llorean | preglow: My understanding, though, is that work is being done in the Git repository to merge with current Rockbox, so that when it's ready it can just be "done" |
| 13:36:34 | pixelma | Iaudios can already come with one of two different batteries |
| 13:36:44 | rasher | webguest68: if it's in the manual it should be removed. If batteries with different capacities become available, both (the setting and the manual mention) should be re-introduced |
| 13:36:45 | Llorean | webguest68: When such batteries exist, the feature can be enabled. |
| 13:36:57 | pixelma | and I |
| 13:37:01 | markun | Llorean: I also replaced my H120 battery :) |
| 13:37:16 | markun | btw, nice runtime for the 160GB ipod: http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/ipod-classic-nano-batteries-beat-apple-claims/11412 |
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| 13:37:46 | Llorean | markun: 15 screws just to replace a battery is somewhat ridiculous. And then that plug is in such a horrible position. |
| 13:37:49 | pixelma | 've heard that it's quite easy to disconnect the second battery in the Iaudio L-models to fit a dual platter into it |
| 13:38:04 | preglow | Llorean: sure, but some prodding is probably a nice idea |
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| 13:38:20 | Llorean | preglow: I agree. |
| 13:40:05 | markun | I'm not very confident about my GSoC student producing anything, even with the extension he got |
| 13:40:22 | rasher | MoB is probably not a change you want to commit before you're reasonably sure it is in fact working |
| 13:40:32 | rasher | Imagine the forums.. |
| 13:40:33 | preglow | markun: i wouldn't be either |
| 13:40:38 | Llorean | preglow: The last commit looks to be Aug 28th. |
| 13:40:45 | Llorean | Though there was mention of exams this month |
| 13:41:04 | preglow | rasher: sure, i'm not saying he should rush it, but i'm saying he should be aware we're awaiting some commits soon |
| 13:41:21 | preglow | this stuff should ideally have been commited by the end of gsoc |
| 13:46:01 | GodEater | markun, are you going to fail him then ? |
| 13:46:15 | webguest68 | are there different hardware models of the e200 series known (not RAM or FM diffs)? |
| 13:46:29 | jhMikeS | preglow: really |
| 13:47:30 | rasher | preglow: I'd say having a working implementation is a reasonable end result too, even if it's not integrated yet. But then, I don't really know anything about gsoc |
| 13:47:34 | markun | GodEater: I already did, but it can be changed to "pass" if he works very hard |
| 13:47:41 | Llorean | webguest68: There's a hardware revision 1.0 and 1.1 which seems to have introduced a problem in the LCD, which was fixed recently |
| 13:49:22 | webguest68 | ah, ok. how can I find out the hardware revision (though i am sure i must have 1.0 ...)? |
| 13:50:01 | Llorean | rasher, preglow: That's the problem I ran into. By "pencils down" I realized there hadn't been set an explicit enough endpoint. Absolutely next year, the very first thing (should I be allowed to mentor again) will be to determine what "finished" is, and then at the halfway point consider redefining it based on what's happened so far. |
| 13:51:50 | preglow | Llorean: i completely agree |
| 13:52:22 | preglow | but we pretty much needed a no-frills run like this first too |
| 13:52:25 | Llorean | I mean "Integration with Rockbox" is clearly a common sense finishing point. But, to a lesser extent but still valid is "Working and in a state to be integrated" |
| 13:53:10 | Llorean | But I think some pressure to see some commits now is probably good. |
| 13:53:41 | GodEater | yeah, that saratoga character is well behind ;) |
| 13:53:46 | Llorean | Hahhaa |
| 13:54:52 | Llorean | Well, either way, we learned some things. |
| 13:55:08 | preglow | indeedey |
| 13:56:00 | Llorean | Though I'm not sure what I could suggest for GSoC projects for next year. |
| 13:56:33 | preglow | i think that's going to be the least of our problems |
| 13:56:43 | GodEater | viewports! |
| 13:56:56 | preglow | not saying we have any big problems, just that thinking of ideas for projects isn't going to be very hard :P |
| 13:56:59 | preglow | viewports is definitely one |
| 13:57:00 | Llorean | Hehehe |
| 13:57:03 | preglow | but we'd need a big spec for that first |
| 13:57:25 | GodEater | amiconn keeps saying it'd be easier for him to just write it than spec it |
| 13:57:27 | Llorean | Viewports and MIDI/MOD/etc are the two obvious ones I see. |
| 13:57:36 | GodEater | Quake IV! |
| 13:57:48 | preglow | GodEater: that doesn't help us far |
| 13:58:04 | GodEater | :) |
| 13:58:51 | GodEater | assuming MoB does actually get rolled into RB sometime soon, I'm guessing other projects could be porting things like the AA patch to use it |
| 13:58:57 | Llorean | We should just start a covert campaign. Every two or three days, get him to explain a little more on viewports, and document it each time. |
| 13:59:13 | GodEater | although I'm not sure if that's a big enough task to make a whole GSoC project |
| 13:59:17 | Llorean | GodEater: I can almost guarantee AA will be working with MoB within 1, maybe 2 months of inclusion. ;) |
| 13:59:41 | GodEater | didn't Nico write the AA patch in the first place / |
| 13:59:42 | GodEater | ? |
| 13:59:55 | Llorean | He's involved with it, I'm not sure who the initial writer was. |
| 14:00 |
| 14:00:18 | B4gder | I think he wrote it initially too |
| 14:00:29 | Llorean | I honestly tend to stop at the "Not me" segment of "People who did things" as in "It's not my fault, it must've been one of them." |
| 14:00:37 | GodEater | what other uses do we envisage for MoB ? |
| 14:00:54 | GodEater | Llorean: a healthy attitude :) |
| 14:01:03 | Llorean | Probably useful for cuesheets, lyrics, and other such frippery. |
| 14:01:07 | B4gder | norwegian language classes! |
| 14:01:19 | GodEater | ... |
| 14:01:28 | preglow | being able to store as many files in the buffer as you want |
| 14:01:32 | preglow | currently there's a limit |
| 14:01:37 | preglow | which sucks for stuff like spc/mod/sid |
| 14:01:38 | Llorean | Ah yes, 4000 sids. |
| 14:01:43 | B4gder | norwegian language classes was one of the first examples that hit that limit |
| 14:01:49 | preglow | hahaha |
| 14:01:49 | preglow | leet |
| 14:01:52 | B4gder | 32 currently I believe |
| 14:02:04 | * | GodEater is lost |
| 14:02:07 | GodEater | sids ? |
| 14:02:22 | B4gder | GodEater: we have one set of meta-data for each file |
| 14:02:24 | Llorean | GodEater: Obscure audio format, only used by really, really, really old people. :-P |
| 14:02:31 | GodEater | Llorean: thanks |
| 14:02:34 | preglow | with files like "du er en drittsekk.mp3" and "pass deg for svenskene.mp3" you're bound to hit the limit soon |
| 14:02:43 | B4gder | hahah |
| 14:02:51 | Llorean | GodEater: In all serious, a type of chiptune, very small files. Very, very, very small. |
| 14:03:11 | preglow | GodEater: c64 tunes |
| 14:03:19 | Llorean | So right now if you listen to a "full" buffer of them, 95% of your buffer is probably empty because of the 32-song limit. |
| 14:03:23 | B4gder | you should listen to LinusN's and zagor's sid tunes made on my player! ;-) |
| 14:03:25 | GodEater | gotcha |
| 14:03:46 | Zagor | we rock! :) |
| 14:03:53 | Llorean | I wonder if MoB could help with MIDI. |
| 14:04:35 | markun | Zagor: wouldn't the commit message be more interesting instead of the files which got changed? |
| 14:04:59 | B4gder | I think we need both files and message |
| 14:05:12 | B4gder | and we need to put the "since" links back in somewhere |
| 14:05:13 | Zagor | it's a tough choice... commit messages without the files can be very non-informative too. there's not really any good choice other than all fields. |
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| 14:05:42 | Zagor | I think I'll try a new layout soon. anyone interested is free to play around and submit suggestions. |
| 14:05:46 | preglow | but i'd say the info is more important than the files |
| 14:06:05 | Zagor | yeah but the info is not always comprehensible without the files |
| 14:06:29 | Llorean | So train people to write better commit messages. :-P |
| 14:06:31 | markun | true. Like: "fix a potential buffer overflow" or something |
| 14:06:39 | Zagor | yeah |
| 14:07:04 | GodEater | or let them change them post commit |
| 14:07:11 | GodEater | when they realise they suck |
| 14:07:29 | preglow | Zagor: agreed, both is fine, but if i can only have one, it's the message |
| 14:07:46 | dionoea | +1 |
| 14:08:11 | * | Zagor spots a $100 donation. yikes! |
| 14:08:20 | markun | sick |
| 14:08:39 | * | Llorean waits for a feature request with a "I just donated a lot of money" attached. |
| 14:08:39 | markun | and why now, when a dollar isn't worth much ;) |
| 14:08:47 | Zagor | Llorean: haha |
| 14:09:02 | * | pixelma is reminded of the H120 offer :( |
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| 14:11:50 | Webgiest | Hi I check in now and agian, kudos to the new rockbox look. I really like it. |
| 14:12:21 | gammy | new? |
| 14:12:28 | GodEater | Webgiest: you're in a minority of one I think |
| 14:12:33 | GodEater | most people don't like it |
| 14:12:38 | GodEater | assuming you mean www.rockbox.org |
| 14:12:40 | gammy | which new look? |
| 14:13:05 | gammy | what's different with it? |
| 14:13:08 | Webgiest | right I know needs tweaked IMO like I can't find my long list on SVN changes to read through |
| 14:13:26 | GodEater | gammy: if you can't even tell, it probably doesn't matter :) |
| 14:13:35 | gammy | GodEater: I suppose you're right. |
| 14:13:37 | B4gder | the since links need to be re-added, yes |
| 14:13:58 | gammy | GodEater: But uh. See that as a good thing :) |
| 14:14:24 | Webgiest | looks smooth though good job. |
| 14:14:31 | Webgiest | later |
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| 14:18:00 | * | amiconn still doesn't like the all-boxed frontpage |
| 14:18:59 | gammy | sort of has an amiga feel to it don't you think? |
| 14:20:22 | amiconn | no |
| 14:21:26 | preglow | i would like for the boxes to vanish |
| 14:21:28 | preglow | that i would |
| 14:21:37 | preglow | boxes look... clumsy |
| 14:21:55 | preglow | but having that info on the frontpage is good |
| 14:22:38 | * | GodEater would like to see more people responding to the "redesign www.rockbox.org front page" thread |
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| 14:24:55 | jhMikeS | stupid question: what's the origin of "rockbox blue"? it just reminds me H120's backlight color for lack of any other association. |
| 14:25:11 | * | GodEater has always wondered where the colour scheme came from too |
| 14:25:21 | preglow | it's been there forever |
| 14:25:29 | preglow | and people seem to be overly attached to it |
| 14:25:44 | B4gder | yeah, it comes from the original web "remake" design from around year 37 |
| 14:27:03 | jhMikeS | rockbox is 1970 years old? :) |
| 14:27:13 | B4gder | about ;-) |
| 14:27:17 | Buschel | jhMikeS: just answered in flyspray... didn't see you are online |
| 14:27:20 | B4gder | I lost count |
| 14:27:44 | tyrion_ | Jesus kicked off the project just before he died |
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| 14:27:48 | jhMikeS | Buschel: just floating around |
| 14:27:59 | GodEater | Jesus is f****** metal |
| 14:28:13 | jhMikeS | hmmm...blessed art thou rockboxers |
| 14:28:47 | tyrion_ | sounds like something godly though, anti-lock in, anti closed doors, etc. |
| 14:28:57 | Buschel | jhMikeS: if you like, you may adapt the interface to your ideas. I won't be able to work too much on this in the next days (my parents visit us for several days) |
| 14:29:38 | tyrion_ | anyone here any good at Database stuff? |
| 14:29:57 | GodEater | tyrion_: not really - bascule is the expert, and he's mainly forums only |
| 14:30:00 | Buschel | gotta go now |
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| 14:30:12 | tyrion_ | GodEater: cool, i'll open a thread |
| 14:30:23 | GodEater | tyrion_: search first!!! |
| 14:31:06 | tyrion_ | GodEater: have done so, question wasnt answered |
| 14:31:17 | tyrion_ | or at least not the way i'm trying to do it |
| 14:31:23 | preglow | ok, so where are we on the remove id3 priority setting deal? |
| 14:31:37 | tyrion_ | GodEater: i'm not a _complete_ newb |
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| 14:57:14 | jhMikeS | Remove a setting? I think I'm gonna faint. ;) |
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| 15:00:41 | preglow | well, the response isn't exactly overpowering |
| 15:00:41 | preglow | haha |
| 15:01:15 | preglow | so far we've got one excuse to keep it: an esoteric scenario where player owners might want to keep displayable tags in id3v1, and full tags in id3v2, for where characters the player doesn't support are used |
| 15:03:39 | Llorean | I'm not sure that's a valid one, either |
| 15:04:04 | Llorean | I just realized, there's Sort and Display tags already, if they made use of those they could put the "Displayable" ones in the ones intended for Display |
| 15:04:14 | Llorean | It's yet another application of my preferred solution to the "The" problem. |
| 15:04:15 | jhMikeS | what chars doesn't the player support? I though UTF-8 was used and just a matter of fonts. |
| 15:04:32 | Llorean | jhMikeS: The Player is the one with the charcell display. You can't change fonts. |
| 15:04:44 | preglow | player has a rom character set (limited) plus eight or so configurable ones |
| 15:04:46 | jhMikeS | ah..._that_ meaning of "player" |
| 15:04:49 | preglow | which obviously limits what we can do |
| 15:05:10 | Llorean | preglow: Still, wouldn't the Sort vs Display tags address that edge case (or it could be adapted to, by a needy user, rather)? |
| 15:05:34 | preglow | Llorean: no idea |
| 15:05:41 | Llorean | I think it would. |
| 15:06:03 | Llorean | I mean it essentially means you have two Artist, two Album, two Title etc, one with the sole purpose of being displayed but not actually used functionally. |
| 15:06:18 | Llorean | ID3v2.4 has tags explicitly for this I think. |
| 15:06:58 | preglow | do we support it? |
| 15:07:13 | * | jhMikeS wonders about sorting hinting to allow for example "The" to be ignored. I hate "Red Hot Chili Peppers" not being next to "The Red Hot Chili Peppers" and I'm very literal about tagging files. |
| 15:07:49 | Llorean | preglow: I believe there's a patch for it, I'm not sure if it's been integrated. |
| 15:08:12 | Llorean | It offers a semi-elegant solution to ignoring "The" as well. The display tag says "The Beatles" and the sort tag says "Beatles, The" |
| 15:08:14 | * | jhMikeS just digressed as usual |
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| 15:09:50 | Llorean | Most all the tagging formats we have either have an official set of "sort" variants of the tags, or have in some cases an accepted one. |
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| 15:11:09 | jhMikeS | Llorean: You mean a SortTitle= instead of Title= ? (something like that) |
| 15:11:36 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yes. Basically, the database would index the Sort variant, and the WPS would display the normal one. |
| 15:11:43 | preglow | sounds good to me |
| 15:11:48 | Llorean | Also handy in the case of bands that change their name, but you want them indexed as one band, etc, etc. |
| 15:12:06 | Llorean | But it seems like it'd solve the Player problem as well |
| 15:12:11 | preglow | anyway, i'll go for a bike ride, see about courses of action on the id3 prio afterwars |
| 15:12:14 | preglow | afterwards too |
| 15:12:16 | jhMikeS | makes the issue of "Der, Die, El, La" vs. "The" moot |
| 15:12:19 | markun | safetydan pointed me to this page: http://musicbrainz.org/doc/PicardQt/TagMapping |
| 15:13:04 | Llorean | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7287 is the task, I believe |
| 15:13:36 | Llorean | jhMikeS: It really solves all those questions with the cost of "The user needs to make sure their files are tagged to their satisfaction" |
| 15:13:37 | markun | jhMikeS: and there are some other cases. I would like to have the artists called mu-Ziq (with a greek mu) under M |
| 15:14:33 | markun | Llorean: and those people could create a tool which adds extra sorting tags for everything starting with "The" |
| 15:14:56 | jhMikeS | And .lang files don't contain regional info, correct? I mean the decimal separator characters and such could be contained there to display 3,14159 instead of 3.14159. |
| 15:15:10 | Llorean | markun: Exactly my opinion, it could even be made into a plugin like VBRfix |
| 15:15:33 | markun | rocktag! |
| 15:15:36 | markun | tagbox? |
| 15:16:42 | Llorean | rocktagbox |
| 15:16:55 | Llorean | If we're going to start naming things like that again, we might as well go all out. |
| 15:17:02 | markun | :) |
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| 15:17:25 | GodEater | thetheremovingtagbox |
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| 15:17:52 | markun | GodEater: would could as well make it a full blown tag editor :) |
| 15:18:09 | jhMikeS | theremovingtagbox, the. (yes, "The The" is listed as "The, The" in my collection :) |
| 15:18:11 | GodEater | some masochist would use it I'm sure |
| 15:18:19 | GodEater | :) |
| 15:18:47 | markun | GodEater: I've heard about people editing WPS' in rockbox :) |
| 15:19:42 | GodEater | markun: masochists, as I said ;) |
| 15:20:37 | * | jhMikeS doesn't understand this wanting every possible PC function on the target itself :\ |
| 15:20:39 | * | GodEater wants a port of screen to Rockbox |
| 15:21:09 | B4gder | we need a rockbox simulator in rockbox! |
| 15:21:13 | B4gder | user-land rockbox |
| 15:21:23 | GodEater | rockbox as app on rockbox |
| 15:21:50 | B4gder | hm, is it user-mode they call that linux thing? |
| 15:22:04 | B4gder | yes it is... |
| 15:22:13 | GodEater | yes |
| 15:22:18 | * | GodEater has used it once or twice |
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| 15:22:56 | jhMikeS | R-BINE? "Rock-Box Is Not an Emulator"? |
| 15:25:12 | jhMikeS | I think that should be "R-BINE Is Not an Emulator". After "WINE" of course. eh, never mind. :P |
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| 15:32:39 | krazykit | good ol' open source recursive acronyms :D |
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| 15:36:53 | markun | if you want to know why open source is bad, this guy has the answers: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/speex-dev/2007-August/006067.html |
| 15:37:19 | markun | there more nice posts by the same guy in this thread |
| 15:37:24 | markun | +are |
| 15:38:35 | B4gder | we could invite him to rockbox to share the fun! ;-P |
| 15:39:28 | markun | B4gder: he's a MS shareholder so I guess he only uses DAPs with windows CE |
| 15:41:08 | Llorean | I like his assumption that nobody ever does open source in their free time. |
| 15:41:16 | Llorean | You either do it while on welfare, or you do it while at work stealing company time. |
| 15:41:23 | B4gder | hahah |
| 15:42:06 | Llorean | "Open Source is an anti Microsoft religion" |
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| 15:42:16 | markun | B4gder is a good example of a guy who has no real world experience and only works on rockbox because he is anti-MS |
| 15:42:47 | B4gder | that's me |
| 15:43:46 | markun | B4gder: and by living in a country like sweden you are practically anti-capitalism by default :) |
| 15:43:50 | jhMikeS | markun: open source should be illegal (lemme, guess...he says that ?). I will read that promptly. |
| 15:43:57 | jbit | ""One of the three things that a supplier should never discuss is politics ... that's business 101." [...] "rantings of left wing academics" [...] |
| 15:44:01 | jbit | seems pretty fun :) |
| 15:45:04 | Llorean | He reminds me of a few people who've berated us for our horrible support. |
| 15:45:27 | markun | should I have posted this link in #rockbox-community ? |
| 15:45:29 | markun | :) |
| 15:46:00 | B4gder | nooo, then I would've missed it! |
| 15:46:21 | * | Llorean wonders when the first feature request for this $35000 codec will come in. |
| 15:48:53 | B4gder | but the development license is only 15000 ;-) |
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| 15:49:14 | markun | B4gder: then who has to pay $35000? The user? |
| 15:49:27 | B4gder | for 35 you get => "Licensee is allowed to distribute a product or service that incorporates or implements the RTAudio codec." |
| 15:49:38 | jhMikeS | To anyone that would try to equate open-source with communist ideals (or some such nonsense): Participation is voluntary and anyone is here free to write closed-source software and charge for it too. OS is very capitalistic and free-market. |
| 15:49:45 | B4gder | for 15 => "Licensee is provided the RTAudio porting kit to evaluate the codec and/or create a product or service that incorporates or implements the RTAudio codec." |
| 15:50:38 | B4gder | so, you basically need to cough up 50 to develop and distribute anything with it |
| 15:50:41 | Llorean | So, for $15k you get to play, but not actually use/distribute? |
| 15:50:48 | B4gder | yeah |
| 15:50:51 | Llorean | Wow |
| 15:51:02 | jbit | to be honest, it's not too bad as licensing goes |
| 15:51:30 | markun | jbit: yes, strange that google is planning to use speex for their jabber voip sutff |
| 15:51:39 | jbit | :) |
| 15:51:39 | B4gder | given a fair volume it's not that much money of course |
| 15:51:49 | markun | no, not really |
| 15:51:57 | jbit | B4gder: nod, i'm guessing it's mainly aimed for people selling millions of products |
| 15:52:04 | B4gder | most likely yes |
| 15:52:12 | markun | we don't even sell 1 product |
| 15:52:21 | Llorean | It's a drop in the bucket assuming a better option isn't available, but it seems they're claiming that speex is still technologically superior. |
| 15:52:34 | jbit | markun: but it's not (or at least shouldn't be) targeted anywhere near us :) |
| 15:52:44 | B4gder | "RTAudio is the preferred Microsoft® Real-Time audio codec and is the default codec for Microsoft?s Unified Communications platforms" |
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| 16:05:16 | jhMikeS | "One of the three things that a supplier should never discuss is politics ... that's business 101. Speex may be a very good product, _but we will never use it because of the politics that you espouse_...". lol |
| 16:06:01 | B4gder | espouse, is that like a wife on the internet? |
| 16:06:21 | Llorean | Hehehe. eSpouse. |
| 16:06:37 | Llorean | And a half decade later, the Apple iSpouse? |
| 16:07:17 | B4gder | and then "iSpouse touch" ... |
| 16:07:35 | * | B4gder stops |
| 16:07:44 | hcs | spouse.NET? |
| 16:07:51 | jhMikeS | You have to guess what's wrong because eSpouses are closed-source. :) |
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| 16:15:25 | amiconn | lol: http://www.clickshappen.com/madeupmac/ispouse.html |
| 16:16:52 | * | jhMikeS wants to JTAG the iSpouse |
| 16:20:18 | Llorean | It looks like there's a patch for the Motorola "port" of the Sim now. |
| 16:20:47 | * | Domonoky is just looking at that patch.. :-) |
| 16:21:10 | Llorean | It's against month old code, or so the filename claims. |
| 16:21:34 | B4gder | is it big? |
| 16:21:39 | Llorean | 500k |
| 16:21:44 | B4gder | the patch? |
| 16:21:45 | jhMikeS | Llorean: is that the blackhawk thing? |
| 16:22:04 | Llorean | B4gder: Yes, 492kb according to my archive manager (the .patch file inside the zip) |
| 16:22:06 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Yes |
| 16:22:11 | B4gder | wow, that's indeed a lot |
| 16:22:13 | Domonoky | and the patch file seems to contain other patches.. |
| 16:22:18 | Llorean | http://www.motorolafans.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=13257&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 <−− Last file in the first post. |
| 16:22:18 | B4gder | I thought it be rather small |
| 16:23:29 | Llorean | Yeah, it seems to include several other patches like bmp resize. =/ |
| 16:23:36 | Llorean | Album art, etc. |
| 16:23:57 | Llorean | Oh look, it includes a .orig file.. =/ |
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| 16:33:13 | jhMikeS | why is the motorola thing being done on the side? |
| 16:33:49 | B4gder | they modified lcd_setmargins() ... ? |
| 16:33:56 | B4gder | jhMikeS: their choice |
| 16:34:49 | B4gder | ah, is that a margin patch perhaps |
| 16:35:00 | Llorean | Probably |
| 16:35:12 | Llorean | It's a bit hard to tell what's added for what purpose. |
| 16:35:23 | jhMikeS | hmm...to me, strange choice |
| 16:35:36 | B4gder | indeed |
| 16:35:50 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I think it's like the PSP Homebrew Community. The goal is to make some device do something it's not supposed to do, rather than to get involved with various projects and expand them. |
| 16:35:53 | B4gder | would be nicer to get their stuff incorporated properly |
| 16:35:54 | Llorean | It's about the phone, not about Rockbox. |
| 16:36:50 | B4gder | there's quite a lot of white space changes too |
| 16:37:55 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Probably because they started from the ipod video sim, instead of the gigabeat sim |
| 16:37:56 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I not sure what a device is supposed to do given it's just a darn computer running software. :\ |
| 16:39:13 | jhMikeS | amiconn: why from the sim? I get the impression is actually runs on the hardware or is it not a firmware replacement but a program? |
| 16:39:23 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Just meant that what I've seen from the PSP community is that it's often a "l33t h4x" feeling, with one person providing and a bunch of users receiving and not interested in source at all. |
| 16:39:32 | B4gder | it is a sim built for the linux phone |
| 16:39:38 | B4gder | so it runs as an app in that linux |
| 16:39:54 | B4gder | that's why it is a "sim" |
| 16:40:11 | B4gder | thus not really a sim :-) |
| 16:40:19 | jhMikeS | things do get stranger all the time |
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| 16:43:07 | jhMikeS | well, if there could be a rockbox linux emulator, the circle would be complete |
| 16:44:47 | Llorean | Rockqemu |
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| 16:46:56 | GodEater | has anyone posted a quick thank you to Blackhawk on the motorola forum ? |
| 16:48:18 | * | GodEater sees that no-one has, and so does it himself |
| 16:51:27 | jhMikeS | quick (perhaps OT question): is there a command to adjust sound volume in debian? Having both the SIM and host volume cranked is still way too quiet. |
| 16:51:41 | GodEater | alsamixer ? |
| 16:51:51 | GodEater | or alsamixergui if you're running X |
| 16:52:12 | jhMikeS | VMWare so maybe it's there? |
| 16:52:33 | GodEater | I've no idea how the sound works in VMWare - but it should still make a difference |
| 16:53:08 | GodEater | I think VMWare emulates some sort of creative card |
| 16:53:10 | GodEater | but I could be wrong |
| 16:53:47 | GodEater | our VMWare image does run X IIRC |
| 16:53:53 | GodEater | so alsamixergui should be the thing to use |
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| 16:59:22 | jhMikeS | I just keep getting "<x> depends on <y>" endlessly. Stopped at "x11-common" |
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| 17:00:34 | GodEater | I hate apt |
| 17:00:59 | GodEater | what were you trying to apt-get ? |
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| 17:01:07 | jhMikeS | GodEater: yup |
| 17:01:14 | GodEater | which package I mean |
| 17:02:18 | jhMikeS | I started with "apt-get install alsamixergui" and kept adding packages and it still kept up with the dependencies |
| 17:03:02 | GodEater | is there a package which just has alsamixer in it instead ? |
| 17:03:10 | GodEater | that should have fewer deps |
| 17:03:16 | GodEater | and it'll run in a terminal window |
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| 17:03:21 | jhMikeS | I'll try that one. I kinda wanted the fancy one. |
| 17:03:36 | GodEater | alsamixer is still ncurses based - it's not too bad |
| 17:03:47 | jhMikeS | first thing I'll do it api-get update |
| 17:03:52 | jhMikeS | *apt-get |
| 17:04:05 | GodEater | good idea |
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| 17:09:39 | jhMikeS | argh, all the connections are timing out. :P I need to make a bigger image than 2GB too but I'm too lazy. |
| 17:11:03 | GodEater | or just install linux properly ? ;) |
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| 17:16:25 | in-jane | how long your Sansa e200 battery lasts with original firmware? I'm testing mine and it has lasted for 17 hours and still going :o |
| 17:16:53 | in-jane | (and how long is lasts with Rockbox? i'll try it next) |
| 17:16:57 | GodEater | in-jane: I think most users have reported ~20 hours |
| 17:17:03 | GodEater | and in rockbox about ~15 |
| 17:17:55 | in-jane | nice. for some reason i have thought it lasts only 15 hours with the original firmware. |
| 17:18:57 | GodEater | in-jane: it all depends on a lot of factors, how healthy you battery is, your usage pattern, your music format etc. etc. |
| 17:20:20 | in-jane | ok. good to know. |
| 17:20:47 | GodEater | slightly OT question: Does anyone understand how/what libtool does ? |
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| 17:21:16 | GodEater | and why sometimes when I build stuff I get lots of "libtool: warning libXXXX seems to be moved" ? |
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| 17:23:14 | senab | just got my new e280 and i have the two coloured lines at the top! |
| 17:23:41 | jhMikeS | GodEater: http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/ ?? |
| 17:23:54 | senab | anyway, i found FS #7692, does that also fix when booting into the OF? |
| 17:24:49 | senab | ignore me, it's already been accepted |
| 17:24:57 | * | jhMikeS wonders if the e200 bl was changed to contain the fixed lcd init |
| 17:25:20 | senab | it's not |
| 17:25:48 | senab | well, sansapatcher isn't anyway |
| 17:26:09 | GodEater | jhMikeS: yes that's the tool - but I don't fully understand what it does |
| 17:26:23 | jhMikeS | I've never changed my bl personally but last I was told, the SVN one worked fine. |
| 17:26:56 | GodEater | senab: how do you find the controls ? |
| 17:26:56 | senab | well i've just downloaded sansapatcher and it's definetly garbled |
| 17:27:00 | * | jhMikeS reads the "What the heck is libtool?" |
| 17:27:17 | GodEater | jhMikeS: if you can decipher it - do translate into mere english for me :) |
| 17:27:36 | senab | godeater: different, the buttons around the wheel seam a bit hard to press but i'll get used to it |
| 17:27:51 | senab | the pro's outweight the cons as they say |
| 17:28:12 | GodEater | senab: I wasn't at all keen on the one I saw - but glad you think you can live with it ;) |
| 17:28:43 | senab | can sansapatcher install 'foreign' bootloaders? |
| 17:29:05 | jhMikeS | senab: you should be able to use a newere mi4. |
| 17:29:41 | senab | jhMikeS: sorry if i'm sounding dim but what do you mean? |
| 17:32:27 | jhMikeS | sansapatcher -a PP5022.mi4 but you'd need the new mi4 bootloader file. I've never actually replaced my bl yet myself. |
| 17:33:38 | senab | where do you get the PP5022.mi4 file from? |
| 17:33:48 | GodEater | senab: build from svn I'd imagine |
| 17:34:20 | senab | i've just compiled the bootloader but it's in the usual bin format |
| 17:34:25 | GodEater | mi4code |
| 17:34:28 | GodEater | you have that ? |
| 17:34:46 | senab | nope |
| 17:34:50 | GodEater | it's on Bagder's site |
| 17:34:56 | GodEater | daniel.haxx.se |
| 17:35:18 | jhMikeS | GodEater: I guess there's alot of platform-specific procedure to building shared libs and libtool is designed to hide all that and deal with the nitty-gritty stuff. |
| 17:35:52 | GodEater | that's about all I managed to glean too |
| 17:36:01 | GodEater | I still don't understand the warnings it gives me though |
| 17:36:06 | GodEater | esp. as they're sporadic |
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| 17:37:04 | senab | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/mi4code.html thats looks complicated lol |
| 17:37:31 | senab | not even sure what it does lol |
| 17:37:46 | GodEater | turns a .bin into a .mi4 and vice versa |
| 17:37:47 | GodEater | :) |
| 17:38:17 | senab | ahhhhh! |
| 17:38:22 | * | GodEater gets invited to the pub, and decides to go |
| 17:38:27 | preglow | curse you!"¤!" |
| 17:38:56 | jhMikeS | mi4code build <filename>.bin |
| 17:39:21 | senab | thanks ;) |
| 17:39:31 | jhMikeS | maybe it's encrypt instead. I did it one time. |
| 17:40:11 | senab | i think you need a mi4 to encrypt first |
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| 17:41:04 | senab | infact reading the description, they both sound similar |
| 17:41:10 | jhMikeS | yes. you need to build a bootloader. I thought it built the mi4 |
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| 17:42:38 | * | jhMikeS does a bootloader build real quick |
| 17:42:46 | senab | i've built the bootloader already, im just working out what to do next |
| 17:44:43 | jhMikeS | guess I'll work it out and replace mine too |
| 17:45:11 | senab | think i'll leave it for a bit |
| 17:45:23 | senab | i can live without using the OF anyway |
| 17:45:34 | jhMikeS | the mi4 is right there after building the bl |
| 17:46:11 | senab | god, im a tw*t |
| 17:46:27 | * | senab slaps forehead |
| 17:47:10 | * | jhMikeS has a new bootloader now |
| 17:47:20 | senab | do i need to uninstall the previus bootloader first? |
| 17:47:28 | jhMikeS | no |
| 17:48:11 | senab | cheers, just done it |
| 17:48:33 | advcomp2019 | <senab> i can live without using the OF anyway <−−- how are you going to get music on to it |
| 17:48:51 | jhMikeS | senab: do tell me if the problem goes away or not |
| 17:48:55 | senab | advcomp2019: i meant using it as a player |
| 17:49:03 | senab | jhMikeS: all sorted now |
| 17:49:09 | senab | thanks for your help |
| 17:49:11 | advcomp2019 | ok |
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| 17:49:41 | senab | adevcomp2019: i can live with the two lines at the top just for MSC |
| 17:51:11 | Sippin45 | Can any1 tell me where to get a precompiled build of [sncviewer plugin for Ipod-4G]? |
| 17:51:29 | jhMikeS | senab: did the lines go away or not? |
| 17:52:01 | senab | jhMikeS: ^^^ "all sorted now" yes they did, thanks |
| 17:52:06 | jhMikeS | ah...excellent |
| 17:52:31 | senab | next step... port my WPSs |
| 17:53:39 | senab | one thing i did find with the bootloader is that if no rockbox.e200 file is found it just stops |
| 17:53:55 | senab | on the ipod, it then proceeded to load the OF |
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| 17:55:18 | jhMikeS | since it was change from rockbox.e200 to rockbox.mi4, a bootloader made before that change might not work right. |
| 17:55:58 | senab | true |
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| 18:01:53 | * | jhMikeS thinks he said another sense thing just then. what's new. :P |
| 18:02:00 | jhMikeS | senseless even |
| 18:02:20 | alienbiker99 | does the album art need to have a certain name or can it just be artist.bmp, etc |
| 18:03:28 | krazykit | depends on how you have album art set up |
| 18:03:44 | krazykit | if it's in the folder itself, it's cover.bmp |
| 18:04:00 | krazykit | there's also an option for it to be Album Title.bmp, but it's all in the wiki page |
| 18:04:14 | alienbiker99 | oh, crap i forgot to look there |
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| 18:24:18 | jeeger | Little question: Is the iPod infinite reboot with auto power off now fixed? Because now, if I attach my wall charger, I see a little 'plug' icon in the upper left, and the battery icon changes. |
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| 18:27:19 | jeeger | Seems like it. I have now been charging for more than one minute, and no shutdown. Three Cheers for the developers! I love you^^ |
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| 18:53:23 | amiconn | umm |
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| 19:05:04 | Buschel | jhMikeS: you there? |
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| 19:14:23 | Buschel | can anyone tell me how many wheelclicks per full rotation (360°) a sansa has? |
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| 19:22:09 | jhMikeS | Buschel: I'd really have to do a good reading. I don't think anyone did a count yet. |
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| 19:29:52 | Buschel | jhMikeS: ok. so I will assume 64 at a first shot? I just found time to change the interface to degree/sec instead of wheelclicks. for this I need to define this value somewhere (current in config-...h) |
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| 19:33:13 | senab | is there anyway to stop the sansa OF stopp refreshing the database on load? lol |
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| 19:33:50 | jhMikeS | I counted like 56 just by counting list movements but I don't trust it since it varies. I need a test directly in the driver. |
| 19:34:21 | Buschel | ok, so 64 is ok for a first shot? |
| 19:34:30 | jhMikeS | senab: there's some #define in the bl to stop it but it's dependent on OF version |
| 19:34:43 | jhMikeS | Buschel: sure. I'll do a count shortly since I'm curious too |
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| 19:38:33 | senab | started porting my WPSs for the E200. Slant: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12686.0 |
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| 19:44:25 | eigma | could a committer take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7752 and http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7765? |
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| 19:47:23 | amiconn | Buschel: All ipods have 96 clicks/rotation, so that seems to be a common value... |
| 19:48:21 | amiconn | That applies to the mechanical wheel (1st gen) and the touch/clickwheels of the later models |
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| 19:52:09 | Buschel | amiconn: good news. then I will move the define for this value to the driver. |
| 19:54:33 | Llorean | With the Sansa having discrete clicks, can't you just count them? |
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| 19:57:36 | jhMikeS | Llorean: not from the UI. I count something different every time so I'll just splash it up in the driver really quickly. |
| 19:58:16 | n1s | eigma: I comitted fs#7765, I'm not very familiar with ata and multivolume stuff so I'll leave fs#7752 to someone else |
| 19:58:26 | eigma | okay, thanks |
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| 20:00:06 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I meant in debug, or as a plugin, or some other way that isn't going to skip steps. |
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| 20:01:17 | jhMikeS | it won't skip steps just to count it in the ISR |
| 20:01:52 | amiconn | eigma, n1s: fs#7752 is looking good. I'll check - the Ondio sim should also crash when checking sizes without that patch.... |
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| 20:04:04 | jhMikeS | it's 48 |
| 20:04:13 | Llorean | So, 1/2 the number of iPods |
| 20:04:16 | jhMikeS | yup |
| 20:04:42 | Buschel | this explains that you need other setting :o) |
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| 20:09:30 | DarkED | hey all |
| 20:09:40 | DarkED | i'm using the newest rockbox with my 5th gen ipod video |
| 20:10:06 | DarkED | i'm curious, is there a PSF plugin? i figured there might be since there's an SPC plugin... |
| 20:10:10 | amiconn | Buschel: Btw, a hardware dependent value should not be defined in the config-*.h files unless it is absolutely necessary |
| 20:10:35 | amiconn | I'd thinkg button-target.h would be a good place for the number of wheel clicks/rotation |
| 20:11:11 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I wanted it there as a means for users of the data to obtain a revs/s count if they want that. Where else should it go? |
| 20:11:19 | Buschel | amiconn: you're right, corrected that. The defines are placed within in the driver.c's as this is the only place where there are used |
| 20:11:55 | jhMikeS | it should be public info imo |
| 20:12:27 | * | pixelma just noticed that all the slightly bigger binaries of Archos targets were all compiled on Slasheri's "ihme" client (not the "xen.ihme") |
| 20:12:34 | amiconn | button-target.h is included in button.h |
| 20:12:44 | DarkED | so... guess there's no psf codec |
| 20:12:55 | jhMikeS | right, so I guess that's about the ideal spot |
| 20:14:10 | * | jhMikeS removes the liquid paper mark from the wheel |
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| 20:16:29 | * | petur is now the proud owner of an h320 as well :) |
| 20:18:54 | * | alienbiker99 needs to get a new battery for my H320 |
| 20:18:56 | jhMikeS | petur: the H380 died? |
| 20:19:05 | petur | no, I wanted a backup |
| 20:19:06 | pixelma | the differences for arm targets are all caused by "deepthought" (which is ender`s) and the info states a slightly different arm-elf-gcc (4.0.4) and arm-elf-ld (2.17) |
| 20:19:49 | petur | Now I might try the new bootloader and tweak the IDE access to see if that is what fails on my h380 |
| 20:21:33 | alienbiker99 | petur, wahts the new bootloader? |
| 20:21:46 | petur | usb charging & co |
| 20:21:56 | n1s | petur: it might be that the bootloader now is compiled with -Os |
| 20:22:27 | petur | n1s: and? |
| 20:23:02 | n1s | petur: that change broke a couple of delay loops in some drivers, maybe the same happened to the bl |
| 20:23:44 | alienbiker99 | how can i test this new bl? |
| 20:25:25 | jhMikeS | n1s: does the sim still have a bit more delay in it? would you mind testing a couple one-liner patches? |
| 20:25:34 | amiconn | petur: Now get a 60GB single platter and make an ata50-zif adapter ;) |
| 20:25:55 | * | petur drools |
| 20:28:01 | n1s | jhMikeS: yup still takes about 5 sec to start it, and sure I can test |
| 20:28:36 | Galois | ffffff |
| 20:29:25 | * | petur sighs... drowned in work :( |
| 20:29:26 | jhMikeS | n1s: ok, thanks. I'll link-up in a sec. |
| 20:30:06 | Buschel | what do I exactly have to type in a printf to get "°"? |
| 20:30:38 | jhMikeS | jhmikes.cleansoap.org/thread-sdl_one_last_tweek_1.patch">http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/thread-sdl_one_last_tweek_1.patch http://jhmikes.cleansoap.org/thread-sdl_one_last_tweek_2.patch |
| 20:31:10 | n1s | jhMikeS: should I test them separately or together? |
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| 20:31:25 | jhMikeS | separately, removing one first |
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| 20:31:49 | jhMikeS | if one is better than the other, tell me which |
| 20:32:33 | amiconn | Buschel: Rockbox uses UTF-8 internally, so just insert the degree sign in UTF-8 |
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| 20:33:51 | jhMikeS | is that temp. degrees or angular degrees ? :p I hoping the latter. |
| 20:34:14 | amiconn | The sign is the same... |
| 20:34:46 | jhMikeS | lol. of course. I'm wondering which context is intended. |
| 20:35:25 | n1s | jhMikeS: ok, with #1 it's as snappy as it used to be, with #2 its as slow as without the patch |
| 20:35:32 | amiconn | I would think it's angular degrees |
| 20:36:06 | Buschel | yep :) |
| 20:36:22 | jhMikeS | me too. just making sure because I don't want a 360-degree wheel. ;) |
| 20:37:11 | amiconn | ? |
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| 20:38:52 | amiconn | Ondio sim does indeed segfault when entering "Rockbox Info"... |
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| 20:39:25 | pixelma | jhMikeS: why not? Get used to it ;) |
| 20:39:49 | jhMikeS | n1s: interesting...and thanks for checking |
| 20:40:04 | jhMikeS | pixelma: guess I'll need some good oven mits |
| 20:40:44 | * | amiconn is a bit slow today... |
| 20:40:54 | Buschel | jhMikeS: just updated the scrollwheel-patch with new interface, I'm interested in your opinion :) |
| 20:41:09 | jhMikeS | Buschel: I'll try shortly |
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| 20:43:43 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Depends on what scale the 360 degrees use ;) |
| 20:44:51 | jhMikeS | well, if it's K it might be ok |
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| 20:51:07 | amiconn | hmm |
| 20:51:11 | amiconn | Bagder: around? |
| 20:54:32 | ^JimmyRidge^ | is there a linux rockbox installer |
| 20:54:39 | jhMikeS | Buschel: compiling now |
| 20:55:08 | ^JimmyRidge^ | well yeah i kno therre is one i just cant find it agian |
| 20:56:01 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 20:56:19 | ^JimmyRidge^ | ipod nano |
| 20:59:14 | Llorean | ^JimmyRidge^: Start by reading the manual, perhaps? |
| 20:59:19 | pixelma | ^JimmyRidge^: what does the manual tell you? |
| 20:59:27 | pixelma | too slow... |
| 20:59:43 | ^JimmyRidge^ | im soo happy |
| 20:59:53 | ^JimmyRidge^ | im buying a nano 1st gen today |
| 20:59:59 | ^JimmyRidge^ | for 90$ |
| 21:00 |
| 21:00:38 | ^JimmyRidge^ | screw my greyscale 4thgen :P |
| 21:01:24 | jhMikeS | Buschel: slow mode seems to be gone. it's not really controllable anymore. |
| 21:02:04 | Buschel | jhMikeS: hmm, you cannot reach the config? |
| 21:04:12 | jhMikeS | I did and set it to the highest velocity. it's not working right. it jumps list items even with small, slow movements now. |
| 21:05:13 | Buschel | i can't explain :/ the changes for sansa wre copied from mine for ipod. for ipod it works |
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| 21:07:54 | jhMikeS | well, I remove the patch now and compare again |
| 21:08:02 | jhMikeS | *I'll |
| 21:10:43 | jhMikeS | yep, goes back to being controllable again |
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| 21:13:06 | jhMikeS | I think I see why. WHEEL_FAST_ON/OFF_INTERVAL and such isn't rescaled to the new units. |
| 21:13:33 | Buschel | damn! you're right −− my fault |
| 21:13:52 | jhMikeS | leave the intervals in raw uS though. |
| 21:14:47 | Buschel | and if you apply *360/WHEELCLICKS_PER_ROTATION to these is works? |
| 21:17:55 | jhMikeS | I'll check it |
| 21:18:45 | Buschel | btw, found another bug: >1 means >=2 when using integer :/ so, the configuration range and defaults must be changed... |
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| 21:22:58 | jhMikeS | man, I can't get it into fast mode at all now |
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| 21:27:01 | Buschel | jhMikeS: a simple idea -> apply the *360/WHEELCLICKS_PER_ROTATION to wheel_velocity just within the queue_post. this way the other calculations are not tocued |
| 21:27:09 | Buschel | *touched |
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| 21:32:03 | Kid_Buu | hi... im reading the manual right now for e280.. and it says i have to go into MSC mode ... but evrytime I do that.. the whole unit freezes and then it gives me a hardware error.. cant i use USB instead? |
| 21:32:22 | jhMikeS | bugger. think I have to reboot. usb is borked here. |
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| 21:33:00 | Buschel | jhMikeS: how did you rescale the FAST_ON/FAST_OFF constants? |
| 21:33:18 | Kid_Buu | nvm |
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| 21:35:55 | pixelma | would anyone object if I remove the ability to restart in chessbox through a button press/button combo? You can now restart through the menu and on X5/M5 the old defined button combo never worked. By restarting through the menu only it won't happen accidentally as it could happen now. |
| 21:37:05 | pixelma | on targets where the button combo works, of course. |
| 21:37:17 | jhMikeS | buschel. I rescaled the constants. I'm going to leave internal operations raw though and just convert for the queue_post |
| 21:37:38 | * | jhMikeS has to wait for the VMWare to reboot |
| 21:37:48 | n1s | pixelma: sounds like a good idea |
| 21:39:24 | Kid_Buu | after i installed the bootloader .. my e280 player is now displaying writting on the LCD .. is that normal? should I disconnect my player now? |
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| 21:42:07 | Buschel | jhMikeS: I'll do the same to be able to post a working patch soon |
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| 21:45:01 | jhMikeS | oops...no wonder the accel got away...forgot to divide it by WHEELCLICKS_PER_ROTATION :P |
| 21:45:13 | pixelma | n1s: thanks for the opinion |
| 21:45:15 | jhMikeS | in the queue_post |
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| 21:48:16 | jhMikeS | Buschel: shouldn't degrees/s have a voiced unit too? |
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| 21:48:49 | webguest48 | hi? |
| 21:49:30 | webguest48 | i dont even know what an irc is... |
| 21:49:37 | Buschel | jhMikeS: never coped with that |
| 21:49:55 | Buschel | does it work now? then I would like to update the patch |
| 21:50:05 | webguest48 | could you guys help me with rockbox? |
| 21:50:23 | jhMikeS | the settings range does need tweaking but it works fine now. 712.5 is where it began by default |
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| 21:51:12 | Domonoky | webguest48: just ask your question.. |
| 21:51:45 | webguest48 | oh ummm |
| 21:51:50 | webguest48 | you guys didnt really answer |
| 21:51:54 | webguest48 | so i didnt say anything |
| 21:52:04 | jhMikeS | so the max setting is pretty much like svn is. 180 just flies though about 1100 entries in 2 turnes. heh |
| 21:52:04 | webguest48 | i need help editing a .wps |
| 21:52:17 | webguest48 | i just got rockbox yesterday |
| 21:52:28 | webguest48 | and i like a WPS i found yesterday |
| 21:52:39 | webguest48 | but it displays things i dont want to see |
| 21:52:57 | webguest48 | and i edit it in notepad and i have no idea what im doing ... |
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| 21:53:26 | webguest48 | ahhh! |
| 21:53:28 | webguest48 | crap |
| 21:53:33 | Domonoky | webguest48: take a look at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
| 21:53:45 | webguest48 | im not even sure what an irc is |
| 21:53:53 | Domonoky | this is irc .. :-) |
| 21:54:08 | webguest48 | well |
| 21:54:12 | webguest48 | i read all that |
| 21:54:21 | webguest48 | i deleted the %xxxxxx i didnt want |
| 21:54:25 | webguest48 | and it got all f'd up |
| 21:54:48 | BigBambi | webguest48: Put your wps code in a pastebin so we can look |
| 21:54:55 | webguest48 | ummm |
| 21:54:57 | Buschel | jhMikeS: updated the patch in flyspray, hopefully this version works for sansa now. |
| 21:54:57 | webguest48 | heres 2 links |
| 21:54:58 | webguest48 | http://www.sendspace.com/file/n7uhrw |
| 21:55:10 | webguest48 | wait |
| 21:55:21 | jhMikeS | Buschel: what about the skip count. this provides load independence to the velocity since it's not squared. |
| 21:55:23 | webguest48 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12689.msg95945#msg95945 |
| 21:55:30 | webguest48 | that too |
| 21:56:08 | webguest48 | heres some info you might need i guess? i have a 30gb and im using todays daily build |
| 21:56:21 | BigBambi | webguest48: can you paste the code into www.pastebin.ca and give me the link? I don't want to start downloading things from download sites |
| 21:56:23 | jhMikeS | and I'm not referring to "v" but to the cursor speed. |
| 21:56:33 | BigBambi | webguest48: 30gb iPod Video? |
| 21:56:36 | Buschel | jhMikeS: for sansa yes, that's the way it worked before. for ipod the skip count is squared as well |
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| 21:57:10 | BigBambi | and you should use the current build (which changes many times per day), not daily, but I doubt it matters in this case |
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| 21:57:31 | webguest48 | ummm |
| 21:57:32 | webguest48 | ok |
| 21:57:38 | webguest48 | ill go to the paste bin thing |
| 21:57:44 | jhMikeS | mmm...yes, but why? that way if the list view can only process half as many messages, the list speed will quadruple for the same wheel speed. |
| 21:57:45 | webguest48 | i didnt know what you were talking about |
| 21:58:12 | BigBambi | no problem |
| 21:58:13 | webguest48 | i have no idea what pastebin is.... |
| 21:58:36 | BigBambi | It lets you paste text, and is really useful for error output, or pieces of code to let others see it |
| 21:58:48 | webguest48 | the sendspace link is a .zip i made, it contains the .wps and the .bmps that display |
| 21:58:57 | webguest48 | its not a virus or w/e |
| 21:59:03 | Buschel | jhMikeS: if you transmit the skip count for ipod the scrolling is not controllable (tested with my ipod). this seems to happen as all skips with <=4 are ignored. |
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| 22:00:02 | webguest48 | http://www.pastebin.ca/696233 |
| 22:00:03 | BigBambi | webguest48: I don't disbelieve you, but I hate clicking through loads of crap, typing in numbers etc. Also, I'm on linux so a virus in it would be pretty harmless :) |
| 22:00:11 | webguest48 | try that i guess? |
| 22:00:13 | BigBambi | webguest48: Cheers, looking now |
| 22:00:21 | webguest48 | i just pasted the /wps crap from notepad |
| 22:00:52 | webguest48 | brb taking some advil, this is frustrating and cuase me to get a headache... |
| 22:01:09 | Buschel | jhMikeS: that's why I only wanted to transfer the velocity, square it and find a factor which will lead to scroll 1 for <=xy °/s and >1 for >xy °/s |
| 22:02:16 | Buschel | jhMikeS: nevertheless haptics feels good :) |
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| 22:03:13 | jhMikeS | Buschel: how would skips <= 4 be ignored? |
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| 22:03:18 | webguest48 | omg |
| 22:03:27 | webguest48 | i dont know what im doing on this irc thingy... |
| 22:03:32 | webguest48 | i keep logging out somehow |
| 22:03:49 | Bagder | and you keep not selecting a sensible nick... |
| 22:04:23 | Buschel | jhMikeS: driver says skip<4 && skip>-4 -> ignore (BUTTON_NONE). maybe to avoid list scroll with jittery fingers? |
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| 22:05:08 | webguest48 | are you still there BigBambi? |
| 22:05:09 | Buschel | jhMikeS: I did not fully rework the driver, but patched the acceleration into it ;o) |
| 22:05:38 | BigBambi | webguest48: yep, it takes a little looking through the syntax on WPS files - I haven't made on for ages |
| 22:05:42 | BigBambi | *one |
| 22:05:51 | webguest48 | well |
| 22:05:53 | jhMikeS | Buschel: When I did the sansa driver, I dumped all the old logic except for the determination of direction to not rely on such stuff from an older implementation. |
| 22:06:04 | webguest48 | i dunno how your going to help unless you put it on a video ipod |
| 22:06:09 | krazykit | webguest48, if you're having problems with a WPS, grab a simulator and run it with −−debugwps |
| 22:06:24 | webguest48 | i just told you i got rockbox yesterday |
| 22:06:28 | BigBambi | webguest48: The Sim is the obvious place, especially as you can make it output debugging info |
| 22:06:33 | webguest48 | im not teh 1337 haxxor like you guys |
| 22:06:43 | Buschel | jhMikeS: maybe that's the next step when the acceleration stuff is finished |
| 22:06:44 | krazykit | never say anything like that again. |
| 22:06:50 | webguest48 | sorry |
| 22:06:56 | BigBambi | heh, nor are any people here :) |
| 22:07:04 | krazykit | it's a ridiculous term |
| 22:07:15 | krazykit | but the sim WILL tell you what's broken, so you can fix it |
| 22:07:21 | krazykit | WPS syntax is really not that tough |
| 22:07:22 | webguest48 | well the progress bar thing that fills up isnt even in the box thing |
| 22:07:48 | jhMikeS | Buschel: I would've removed that an implemented the hysteresis or something more analagous to a drag rectangle in a GUI. When you touch it, you have to move it far enough before the first event happens. |
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| 22:07:58 | BigBambi | So it works but is misaligned, or do you just get the default WPS? (The one with tiny writing and peakmeters) |
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| 22:08:24 | webguest48 | brb |
| 22:08:49 | webguest48 | oh umm |
| 22:08:59 | webguest48 | it displays the EscapePod one |
| 22:09:08 | webguest48 | its not default with little letters |
| 22:09:50 | BigBambi | webguest48: OK, so there is nothing wrong with the syntax - if there were it would display the default one |
| 22:09:58 | Buschel | jhMikeS: does the updated patch work now? if so, I would be interested in your proposal for settings-range and defaults |
| 22:10:09 | BigBambi | So I'm guessing that the text shows OK, but the images are wrong? |
| 22:11:04 | webguest48 | yes the text shows and all the images show |
| 22:11:11 | webguest48 | the progress bar is just messed up |
| 22:11:17 | BigBambi | OK |
| 22:11:26 | BigBambi | one moment |
| 22:11:26 | webguest48 | and i want the kbps/year of the song / other crap gone |
| 22:11:35 | webguest48 | i downloaded the sim thingy |
| 22:11:36 | webguest48 | hold on |
| 22:12:11 | BigBambi | webguest48: to remove that info is fairly easy - check the CustomWPS page to find what string displays it and delete it |
| 22:12:25 | webguest48 | i did delete lines |
| 22:12:29 | webguest48 | and it got messed up |
| 22:12:37 | webguest48 | i deleted the things i wanted gone |
| 22:12:44 | webguest48 | i was on the custom wps pages |
| 22:13:10 | BigBambi | webguest48: The WPS is line based - if you remove a line with text you need to insert a blank line so the following lines stay where they were |
| 22:13:20 | Domonoky | webguest48: if you delete lines, insert empty lines, so that the res keeps aligned.. |
| 22:13:21 | jhMikeS | Buschel: will check. I really would suggest dumping old filtering schemes first and working clean. |
| 22:13:27 | BigBambi | Domonoky: I win! |
| 22:13:33 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 22:13:36 | webguest48 | i put extra lines back in |
| 22:13:40 | XavierGr | petur: if you don't want to bump into troubles (assuming that you will compile your bootloader) make sure that you will compile revision 12547 |
| 22:13:41 | webguest48 | and it was still screwed up |
| 22:13:46 | Buschel | jhMikeS: would be great if you could just post your suggestions (range, default) to flyspray. I better gotta go now −− my wife's a bit unrelaxed about me still hanging around in front of the computer ;o) |
| 22:14:04 | XavierGr | petur: versions further than that will make the bootloader to hang when you try to load Rockbox |
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| 22:14:32 | BigBambi | webguest48: Which tags do you want removed? |
| 22:14:39 | XavierGr | (well not sure which version after that spawns the problem but that is the one I am using right now) |
| 22:14:40 | jhMikeS | Buschel: I'll look into that. See you later. |
| 22:14:51 | Buschel | bye |
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| 22:15:08 | webguest48 | ummm |
| 22:15:09 | webguest48 | hold on |
| 22:16:00 | webguest48 | i want: the year the track is/ the track number / the kbps gone |
| 22:16:16 | webguest48 | i want it to say : song / artist/ album |
| 22:17:06 | Frazz | what is disk spindown? |
| 22:17:15 | BigBambi | What are the %xx tags for year/tracknum/bitrate? (I can't be bothered to look them up myself) |
| 22:17:21 | petur | XavierGr: is somebody looking into what the problem is? |
| 22:17:31 | webguest48 | hold on |
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| 22:17:45 | BigBambi | Frazz: How long the disk waits idle before spinning down. |
| 22:17:54 | XavierGr | I tried but I never managed to see what's wrong |
| 22:18:03 | Frazz | what do you mean by spinning down? |
| 22:18:06 | XavierGr | petur: same problem applies for all coldfire iriver targets |
| 22:18:12 | petur | hmmm |
| 22:18:18 | XavierGr | it will hang on a SET_REG macro |
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| 22:18:54 | petur | XavierGr: I'll check it out when I find the time, hope some time this month :( |
| 22:18:54 | webguest48 | %iy = year (which i want gone) |
| 22:18:57 | pixelma | someone else got an opinion about restarting in chessbox (re. my question about 45 minutes ago)? |
| 22:19:06 | BigBambi | pixelma: I agre with you |
| 22:19:14 | XavierGr | petur: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7533 |
| 22:19:27 | webguest48 | %in= track # (which i want gone) |
| 22:19:30 | BigBambi | I would rather go to a menu to restart than accidental lose a long game |
| 22:20:01 | webguest48 | % fs and %fv also |
| 22:20:04 | pixelma | thanks |
| 22:20:25 | webguest48 | i want %iy/%in/%fs/%fv |
| 22:20:35 | pixelma | webguest48: are you sure it's not the default wps you are seeing, just with a bigger font? |
| 22:20:38 | webguest48 | and the progress bar fixed |
| 22:20:40 | webguest48 | if you can |
| 22:20:49 | Frazz | what is meant by hard disk spinning down? |
| 22:20:58 | webguest48 | yes im sure its not the default WPS |
| 22:21:33 | BigBambi | Frazz: It stops spinning = saves power, but takes longer to then spin up again before you can access it |
| 22:22:40 | BigBambi | webguest48: I may be being blind but I can't see %iy in the WPS you posted |
| 22:23:14 | Frazz | and there is no way to keep it spinning for as long as the player is on? |
| 22:23:42 | pixelma | Frazz: why you would want that? |
| 22:23:51 | BigBambi | Frazz: why? |
| 22:24:32 | Frazz | so there is no pause whe i use it again |
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| 22:24:36 | Frazz | wen* |
| 22:24:39 | Frazz | when* |
| 22:25:26 | BigBambi | Frazz: use dircahce |
| 22:25:33 | BigBambi | Sorry, dircache |
| 22:25:53 | amiconn | Keeping the disk spinning all the time would drain the battery *very* fast, and would cause a very high risk for the disk becoming damaged |
| 22:26:10 | BigBambi | It caches your directory structure to ram so browsing is instant without needing to spin the disk up |
| 22:26:45 | Frazz | so when does the disk spin? |
| 22:26:55 | BigBambi | If you use dircache to load music |
| 22:27:07 | BigBambi | If you don't use dircache when you want to browse directories |
| 22:27:15 | BigBambi | * as well |
| 22:27:23 | Frazz | i see |
| 22:27:33 | markun | also when you start a plugin |
| 22:27:53 | webguest48 | i need to leave now ... |
| 22:27:58 | webguest48 | if you can fix the .wps |
| 22:28:06 | webguest48 | post it in my rockboxforum thread |
| 22:28:10 | BigBambi | Yes, true. Basically dircache (and I think load to RAM for database), stops spinning on browsing and speeds it up |
| 22:28:19 | Frazz | will changing tracks start it spinning with cache on? |
| 22:28:23 | webguest48 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12689.msg95945#msg95945 |
| 22:28:29 | webguest48 | thanks in advance |
| 22:28:31 | BigBambi | webguest48: I'm not sure how, as some of the tags you say you want removed are not there in the first place |
| 22:28:37 | webguest48 | o |
| 22:28:48 | BigBambi | Frazz: Only if they are not buffered |
| 22:28:56 | webguest48 | well thanks in advance |
| 22:29:12 | markun | Frazz: maybe you should just use rockbox for a while, then you know all these things :) |
| 22:29:18 | BigBambi | Selecting a new playlist will have to spin the disk to load music, but skippig to the next song shouldn't as it is already in RAM |
| 22:29:36 | BigBambi | Next song in an already playing playlist that is |
| 22:30:02 | Frazz | i have been using rockbox for a while, but i have no way learn without asking or reading :p |
| 22:30:06 | BigBambi | webguest48: Sorry not to help more, but to be honest, most people who know WPS do forums more than here |
| 22:30:26 | webguest48 | ok then |
| 22:30:36 | BigBambi | And they probably haven't answered as you put a link to megaupload or whatever, and like me they didn't bother to click through to look |
| 22:30:39 | webguest48 | its been in the forum for an hour |
| 22:30:42 | webguest48 | with no help |
| 22:30:54 | BigBambi | an hour isn't that long! |
| 22:31:08 | webguest48 | the one thread got a post from a mob in <8 minutes |
| 22:31:25 | | Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") |
| 22:31:25 | Llorean | webguest48: You're asking for specialized help from people who may not check the forum more than once a day. |
| 22:31:29 | BigBambi | try putting the pastebin link on there as well, and don't forget to use modify (instead of double posting) |
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| 22:32:07 | webguest48 | ok |
| 22:32:14 | Llorean | Do not judge based on responses to other threads as relevant at all to the response time to your thread. You're also asking people to do something *for* you, which has instructions on the CustomWPS page |
| 22:32:18 | webguest48 | i dont remeber the pastebin link though |
| 22:32:25 | Llorean | So many people may not respond just because they think you need to read and learn to do it yourself. |
| 22:32:47 | BigBambi | webguest48: Either look in the history or log for the link, or just paste it again |
| 22:32:55 | webguest48 | 1. i just started rockbox yesterday 2. i tried doing the .wps thing my self and messed it up more |
| 22:33:10 | Llorean | I didn't say I thought that, just that many of them might. |
| 22:33:17 | BigBambi | webguest48: It is fine to ask for help, Llorean is just explaining why it may take a little while |
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| 22:33:36 | Llorean | But in response to 1) Every WPS author started on some day, and 2) Try again, if nobody responds it may be the only way to do it. |
| 22:33:58 | Llorean | I don't make WPSes, so I can't be of any help at all. |
| 22:34:10 | pixelma | BigBambi: ehmm... I see a %iy |
| 22:34:40 | BigBambi | pixelma: Oops! I did say I might be being blind, but if he didn't look and tell me where.... |
| 22:36:34 | * | XavierGr is tempted to buy an e280 |
| 22:36:40 | pixelma | BigBambi: I'm |
| 22:37:04 | XavierGr | how much would someone consider a good price for it? |
| 22:37:15 | BigBambi | pixelma: That was cryptic :) |
| 22:37:15 | pixelma | still thinking he sees the default fallback (with the font and graphics of his |
| 22:37:30 | Bagder | XavierGr: within the eu? |
| 22:37:49 | BigBambi | pixelma: I thought when it failed you got the complete default? |
| 22:38:05 | pixelma | yeah, something is up today with me pressing enter too quickly (happened to me a few times already) |
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| 22:38:25 | Bagder | XavierGr: german sites sell it for a little over 90 euros |
| 22:38:28 | XavierGr | Bagder:yes |
| 22:38:39 | BigBambi | But I don't make WPSs so I wasn't the best person to be helping him. I just felt public spirited for some weird reason |
| 22:38:41 | XavierGr | hmmm a local shop here sells it for 150€ |
| 22:38:48 | pixelma | hmm... maybe you are right - except the font |
| 22:39:08 | Bagder | hm, only one at that 93 euro, then it goes above 100 |
| 22:39:25 | Bagder | FYI: http://www.yagma.com/on/demandware.store/Sites-YAG-Site/de_DE/Link-Product?sku=10000037433&PartnerID=ZANOX&ProgramID=1019346544714854400 |
| 22:40:13 | lastebil | can anyone point me to the sid, mod, xm, or it plugins for rockbox? (I _swear_ I found them a while ago; it's why I wanted a device that could use rockbox) |
| 22:41:05 | Bagder | lastebil: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status |
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| 22:41:25 | lastebil | thank you. I just spent half an hour searching via google etc, just didn't find it. |
| 22:42:17 | n1s | lastebil: sid is the only one included by default, mod is available in a patch and xm I dunno |
| 22:42:45 | XavierGr | Bagder: does the sansa e200 has the standard mini-b usb plug? |
| 22:42:56 | Bagder | XavierGr: no, its a custom plug |
| 22:43:01 | XavierGr | damn.... |
| 22:43:10 | * | pixelma is tempted to buy a c200... |
| 22:43:24 | XavierGr | until now all my mp3 players have the same mini-b plug |
| 22:43:31 | XavierGr | yay for standards |
| 22:43:48 | lastebil | n1s: ok. this means I didn't put the sid files anywhere... silly of me |
| 22:43:58 | * | lastebil goes to look on how to compile the mod player |
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| 22:44:30 | lastebil | and perhaps in a few months I can attempt to port .xm and .it over, tho that will require... time. |
| 22:45:31 | * | amiconn thinks the mod player should be committed |
| 22:45:55 | amiconn | It works quite nicely, just 2 quirks which shouldn't be too difficult to fix |
| 22:46:27 | amiconn | (1) Elapsed time doesn't represent realtime, but patterns played. |
| 22:47:02 | n1s | amiconn: (1) is the same for the sid codec |
| 22:47:24 | amiconn | (2) Mods larger than the remaining codec ram (~485KB) are loaded by cannot be played properly (missing samples, replaced by varying squeaking noises) |
| 22:47:48 | amiconn | They should be rejected for now, until we have a method to handle contiguous data in the main buffer |
| 22:50:16 | amiconn | n1s: I think that (1) can be fixed, but doing so requires parsing all patterns on load for tempo changes |
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| 22:53:21 | lastebil | amiconn: quite frankly, mods larger than 485kb wouldn't play on an Amiga 500 without expansion ram... well, ok, they might on a minimal player. But probably only after doing some bitplane tricks (: |
| 22:53:51 | lastebil | so I'm with you on that... but yes there would need to be some 'advanced' stuff done for the 'modern' ones. |
| 22:54:20 | amiconn | I know... but many amigas have more than 512KB chip ram :) |
| 22:54:27 | amiconn | (mine has) |
| 22:54:39 | lastebil | well, all mine do too (: but. back in the day and all that (: |
| 22:55:08 | * | amiconn still uses an amiga, in addition to his linux and windows boxes |
| 22:55:50 | BigBambi | amiconn: What for? |
| 22:55:56 | * | lastebil still uses his, in addition to his morphos, osX, and linux boxen... so I imagine you understand why I wanted this. |
| 22:56:00 | amiconn | Mainly email |
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| 22:56:05 | BigBambi | OK |
| 22:56:22 | lastebil | bigbambi: I use mine for demos, coding, playing music, doing graphics, and occasionally playing a game or two. |
| 22:56:25 | eigma | amiconn: thanks :) |
| 22:57:56 | lastebil | oh, and comparing the sound of the original mod played in protracker or soundtracker to emulation playback. |
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| 22:58:51 | maddler | chrisjs169: ping |
| 22:59:56 | amiconn | eigma: Thanks for your nice little patches as well :) |
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| 23:06:15 | preglow | lastebil: nice nick |
| 23:07:23 | lastebil | preglow: can't tell you how many people I confuse with it, though. |
| 23:07:47 | preglow | what's there to be confused about? it's a very literal nick :P |
| 23:07:50 | lastebil | amiconn: do you happen to have the modplayer compiled, as I don't have the environment set up for compilation yet. |
| 23:08:11 | amiconn | Sure, but most probably not for your target |
| 23:08:14 | lastebil | preglow: well, I'm an American living in Finland. Start there, and many people can't quite figure it out. |
| 23:08:27 | lastebil | amiconn: ah yes. good point. mine is sansa. |
| 23:08:32 | amiconn | Unless that happens to be either a 1st/2nd gen ipod, or a H10 5/6GB |
| 23:08:44 | lastebil | nope. right, I shall compile this tommorrow night. |
| 23:09:07 | preglow | lastebil: not quite the background i would have expected, no |
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| 23:15:19 | ddalton | How do I make .talk clips for files using cygwin? |
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| 23:23:38 | lastebil | ] |
| 23:23:53 | * | maxkelley comes around. |
| 23:24:55 | maxkelley | lastebil: sansa... which? |
| 23:25:20 | maxkelley | I could compile whatever for you. |
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| 23:25:45 | aridkillzone | ehhhh... stupid problems with the ipod nano and rockbox... |
| 23:26:12 | aridkillzone | I need help, if anyone can tell me where to get an old rockbox biuld that actually plays music? |
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| 23:27:07 | aridkillzone | is anyone available here? |
| 23:27:21 | Bagder | sorry, I'm already married |
| 23:27:23 | Bagder | :-P |
| 23:27:26 | aridkillzone | lol |
| 23:27:34 | aridkillzone | nah i need help with my nano |
| 23:28:43 | aridkillzone | My 80gig is running everything on Rockbox perfectly but my nano has a lot of bugs apparently with new builds and I guess I need an old build for the nano that lets the music database load and play |
| 23:29:02 | Bagder | those nano problems truly are annoying |
| 23:29:03 | aridkillzone | is there anyone who can help me? |
| 23:29:08 | n1s | aridkillzone: the forums mention 13990 as the last working build iirc |
| 23:29:10 | aridkillzone | yeah I know |
| 23:29:54 | pixelma | isn't there a test build in one of the threads (I believe there are at least 2) that works? |
| 23:30:29 | aridkillzone | Ummmm, where can I get the build? The oldest build on the rockbox page is sometime late August if i'm correct. That build still doesnt work and i need a place where i can find the working one |
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| 23:31:23 | Bagder | try http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodnano/ |
| 23:31:34 | n1s | aridkillzone: either find an unofficial build like pixelma suggested or use svn to check out the source from the right day and compile yourself |
| 23:31:35 | Bagder | some of the download mirrors keep very old packages |
| 23:33:24 | pixelma | aridkillzone: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=11504.msg89243#msg89243 - I _think_ I read that the test1 build works, but please read more in the thread and decide yourself |
| 23:36:09 | jhMikeS | n1s: just want to confirm before committing the change. sim patch version #1 was definitely the one? |
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| 23:36:29 | n1s | jhMikeS: yes |
| 23:36:52 | jhMikeS | great |
| 23:37:58 | n1s | Yup, delay when starting, buffering, switching wps etc, gone :-) |
| 23:39:46 | pixelma | while there are a few people around... I got a patch here to enable all the plugins on the c200 that don't need any additional graphics. The only thing is that it incorporats some ugly "ifndef SANSA_C200" im the plugins/SOURCES file. Would that still be ok since it's only temporary? |
| 23:40:41 | pixelma | I'm trying to add the needed graphics the next days so it shouldn't be that way for long |
| 23:40:46 | Bagder | sure |
| 23:41:22 | Bagder | add a comment about it in the file or in the commit message and it'll be fine |
| 23:41:48 | pixelma | ok will do |
| 23:41:54 | aridkillzone | thanks for the link I'm gonna try that right now but i'll be back for sure. |
| 23:41:57 | aridkillzone | ^_^ |
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| 23:45:36 | * | pixelma typing even worse today... |
| 23:48:57 | pixelma | Bagder: did you see my comment on the the different build servers earlier? |
| 23:49:21 | ddalton | how do I make voicebox say the file extention? |
| 23:49:26 | ddalton | Or record it? |
| 23:49:35 | n1s | pixelma: do you know if those servers use different archs? |
| 23:49:37 | ddalton | and how do you use voicebox on linux? |
| 23:49:47 | Bagder | pixelma: no... at what time, roughly? |
| 23:49:55 | pixelma | n1s: not at all |
| 23:49:59 | preglow | jhMikeS: that commit didn't exactly work wonders here... |
| 23:50:05 | pixelma | (I don't know I mean) |
| 23:50:07 | preglow | jhMikeS: rockboxui is now at 100% cpu, more or less |
| 23:50:21 | preglow | jhMikeS: hmm, at least when buffering, it seems |
| 23:50:49 | pixelma | Bagder: 20:12 and a bit later |
| 23:51:08 | jhMikeS | preglow: just like the real target :) |
| 23:51:16 | preglow | jhMikeS: hahaha |
| 23:51:25 | Bagder | pixelma: aha, maybe we should bother him about it... |
| 23:51:32 | preglow | jhMikeS: load seems normal after that |
| 23:51:40 | preglow | around 16% cpu here for an aac track |
| 23:51:45 | amiconn | Bagder: I noticed that the mpeg folder is missing 2 files - those for the mini lcd resolution. Dunno whether linuxstb forgot to transfer them to ypu |
| 23:51:46 | jhMikeS | this spin stuff in the scheduler is really bad and that's why I want real io completion objects |
| 23:51:58 | pixelma | Bagder: at least the ones that are big enough to get a colour in the table |
| 23:52:28 | amiconn | I also experienced rather slow download from one of the mirrors. Don't know which one that is, but it uses lighthttpd |
| 23:52:30 | pixelma | (the bin size difference I mean) |
| 23:52:49 | ddalton | so no one knows how to change the voicing of file extention with voicebox? |
| 23:52:49 | * | pixelma wonders what's up today |
| 23:52:54 | Bagder | amiconn: that's the videolan one, and that _should_ be blazing fast... |
| 23:53:01 | jhMikeS | preglow: the thread would sleep and be woken by an interrupt. if I did this with the portal player I2C driver, it would quiet it down alot. |
| 23:53:30 | jhMikeS | it performs about 540 useless switch_thread calls per second |
| 23:53:30 | Bagder | amiconn: I don't think I've gotten any other mpegs from linuxstb |
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| 23:53:54 | amiconn | I have the 2 mpeg files for the mini lcd. Got them from linuxstb |
| 23:54:13 | amiconn | I could upload them somewhere... |
| 23:54:29 | Bagder | how big are they? |
| 23:54:39 | n1s | jhMikeS, preglow: it works wonders here now, 0-1 % cpu while playing, no delays... |
| 23:54:41 | aridkillzone | thanks pixelma |
| 23:54:42 | amiconn | 27MB + 35MB |
| 23:55:03 | aridkillzone | In a sec I'll see if the build from the link you gave me works |
| 23:55:17 | aridkillzone | I have restored my nano AT LEAST 7 times already |
| 23:55:19 | aridkillzone | lol |
| 23:55:25 | ddalton | who wrote the voicebox script? |
| 23:55:58 | preglow | http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/remove_id3_priority.patch |
| 23:56:01 | preglow | anyone see anything wrong with that? |
| 23:56:10 | preglow | ie. anything i've forgotten |
| 23:56:13 | jhMikeS | n1s: well I don't have that much beasty CPU power here to keep in that low |
| 23:56:40 | preglow | i've got a 2.2ghz athlon64 |
| 23:57:14 | n1s | mine is a 3.2GHz pentium D (dula core) |
| 23:57:20 | jhMikeS | 2.4GHz pentium 4 running in VMWare gives about 15% without peakmeters. |
| 23:58:01 | aridkillzone | ehhhhhh |
| 23:58:10 | aridkillzone | I have to restore this shit AGAIN |
| 23:58:14 | aridkillzone | :-P |
| 23:58:24 | jhMikeS | n1s: you could run 10 sims without delay I'm sure :) |
| 23:58:58 | aridkillzone | maybe I'm loading the bootloader wrong, but last time I had rockbox kinda running I was using the same method |
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