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#rockbox log for 2007-09-14

00:00:12jhMikeSwhat happened?
00:00:35n1sif I have one playing music and start another one the first will segfault when the second starts playing
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00:01:05jhMikeSsomething with shared libs?
00:01:38aridkillzoneOOh, I have 1 more question for anyone who can help me: I need a good video file converter. I have Transformers and 300 to put on my 80 gig ipod but they are video clips. I need them converted to either mp4 or mov. can anyone give me a link to a freeware converter??
00:02:05aridkillzoneiTunes wont convert from video clips to iPod format
00:02:12amiconnn1s: Not on windows... but only the sim which has focus actually outputs audio there
00:02:23amiconnThe other continues running, but silent
00:02:54n1sjhMikeS: hmm, it is on access to the ci api pointer so it is probably the same weird bug that causes it to crash on track change
00:03:06amiconnIf neither one has focus, the one which last had focus continues. It's probably an SDL thing
00:03:59jhMikeSyes, I segfault using VMWare too
00:04:31jhMikeSactually it's "Illegal Instruction" :\
00:05:00hcsLegalize Instructions!
00:05:07^JimmyRidge^having probs installing to my nano 4GB ipod
00:05:28jhMikeSthe one I switched to kept going. the one already playing faulted.
00:06:23amiconnHere it's the other way round
00:06:28amiconn(on linux)
00:08:33preglowjhMikeS: same here, amd64 linux
00:08:45preglowcrashed the moment the other one started playback
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00:09:25amiconnIt's probably an SDL thing then as well
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00:09:40amiconnWhat sdl audio driver are you using?
00:09:47preglowme? no idea, default
00:09:58preglowprobably alsa, i don't even have oss support installed
00:10:02jhMikeSpreglow: old one bit it?
00:10:09preglowjhMikeS: aye
00:10:15amiconnI'm using libsdl1.2debian-oss
00:10:25preglowamiconn: how do i find out?
00:10:28amiconnAll others don't work for me, they just crash...
00:11:00ddaltonok how do I create .talk files in linux?
00:11:02amiconnOn debian there are several packages for sdl audio output, of which only one can be installed
00:11:26*amiconn just checked in synaptic
00:12:08preglowlibsdl1.2debian-alsa is th eonly installed one here
00:12:11amiconnThere's also an -all package. Dunno what that will select when it's installed
00:12:20Bagderdpkg -l | grep sdl
00:12:36jhMikeSddalton: isn't there wiki info on that? I don't know personally.
00:12:47amiconnThe funny thing is that the -alsa version crashes here even though the soundcard is handled by alsa...
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00:13:14lastebiloh my. well. hmm. I suppose I should have expected that adding the entire HVSC would add all the authors and tunes to the database (:
00:13:24amiconnOr not so funny.... weird linux stuff :/
00:13:26preglowopinions please: i have a patch to remove the id3 tag priority patch, anyone for? rationale: id3v2 is at the start of the file and is the better tag format, no reason to look for id3v1 first
00:13:41preglowrephrase that to make sense, i'm tired :/
00:13:55jhMikeSpreglow: you have a patch that remove a patch >
00:14:08preglowamiconn: debian is weird...
00:14:18preglowi've never had problems with alsa
00:14:40Bagderwell, sound is slightly weird in linux I have to say
00:14:42amiconnIs it? The other distros I've seen (not so many) were even more weird
00:14:50jhMikeSI always use id3 v2 no matter unless some program won't take it so...good riddance.
00:15:05preglowBagder: agreed
00:15:07preglowsound in linux sucks rod
00:15:27preglowalsa isn't all bad, really
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00:15:34preglowbut devs just can't seem to agree on proper ways to do stuff
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00:15:42preglowso you have a million sound servers, only some good
00:15:55jhMikeSsuch is open source...I should know of late :)
00:16:19*n1s has had no problems with linux sound after figuring out that there would never be any drivers for that darn xfi card and getting an old audigy instead :-)
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00:16:56preglowi'm tempted to just commit this and see what people say
00:17:13amiconnHad a sim open that played music. Stopped it, started 2nd sim, tried playback -> segfault. Tried to restart playback in 1st sim -> some nasty noises, then crash...
00:17:22jhMikeSpreglow: that's generally a good approach...or people tend to say nothing
00:17:28preglowjhMikeS: exactly...
00:17:46preglowat least i've had no loud NOs from devs
00:17:57preglowand a good few "good riddance"
00:18:07preglowi should just test the patch a bit first
00:18:11preglowbut that can come tomorrow
00:18:31preglowthough i can't imagine what the patch'd break
00:18:38jhMikeSI really forgot the stupid option even existed since I've never changed it
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00:19:40jhMikeSpreglow: I'm sure some voice bug will come up
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00:20:12preglowdid i handle lang files properly, btw? i just marked the strings deprecated in english.lang, and that's that
00:20:27n1spreglow: that should do it, yes
00:21:00n1sI love the fact that we have both /codecs.h and /codecs/codec.h
00:21:31preglowthat used to be an even worse mess
00:21:32Bagdernot confusing at all. nooooo
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00:24:11Bagderthe battery makes for some fun in the uisim when used as your regular player ;-)
00:25:02jhMikeSwhat? charging the sim isn't supported yet? :P
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00:29:45jhMikeSwhy nvram.bin and config.cfg constantly opened when adjusting volume?
00:29:52jhMikeS*why is
00:30:11amiconnjhMikeS: After buffering, sim cpu load is very low even with peakmeters enabled
00:30:44amiconn(on amd65)
00:30:55amiconnGnome system monitor shows a mere 1% after buffering finished
00:31:36jhMikeSI thought it was like 60% before
00:32:14amiconnThat was before the sleep(0) fix, I think
00:32:32jhMikeSso that _just_ changed after the last commit?
00:32:44amiconnI don't think so
00:33:10amiconnI didn't always check system load on linux
00:34:01jhMikeSmakes more sense. I think running it debian just eats alot of CPU because of graphics emulation (around 58-60%).
00:34:33amiconnYou mean in vmware, I presume?
00:35:09amiconngfx emulation is indeed somewhat slow, especially if you're using vmware server
00:35:15krazykitdoes the rockbox-vmware image have vmware drivers installed at all?
00:35:29amiconnWorkstation or player have better gfx performance
00:35:30jhMikeScube gets around 35%
00:35:46jhMikeSI'm using player right now
00:36:16amiconnI switched to server, even though I also have workstation (both can't be installed at the same time)
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00:37:32jhMikeSGigabeat runs all the graphics plugins way faster than VMWare player does
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00:41:57jhMikeSpreglow: how long does an audiobuffer fill take for you on the sim? for me, so long as no pagefile activity's almost instant.
00:42:36^JimmyRidge^dang wtfno partition found my butt
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00:43:13^JimmyRidge^1i did mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/myipod
00:43:49^JimmyRidge^this is givin me a headache
00:44:00bluebrotherwhat does fdisk -l tell?
00:44:22^JimmyRidge^dev/sdc1 1 10 80293+ 0 Empty
00:44:22^JimmyRidge^/dev/sdc2 11 497 3911824+ b W95 FAT32
00:44:34preglowjhMikeS: five seconds or so
00:44:48preglowjhMikeS: got a bit of pagefile usage going
00:44:54amiconnjhMikeS: Not sure about the exact time, but it's >10 seconds
00:44:59^JimmyRidge^does a partition need to be bootable? activated?
00:45:31bluebrotherI don't think so.
00:45:50bluebrothercan you access the partition? I.e. what does file -s /dev/sdc2 tell?
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00:46:12jhMikeSall the DEBUGF calls slow it down cause VMWare has to update the display
00:46:14delYsidpixelma: thanks for the chessbox fix, I actually know one guy that was apparently hitting on this key binding occasionally and already thought chessbox was flaky.
00:46:26^JimmyRidge^/dev/sdc2: x86 boot sector, mkdosfs boot message display, code offset 0x58, OEM-ID " mkdosfs", sectors/cluster 8, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, sectors 7823648 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 7626, serial number 0x46e982b5, label:
00:47:01pixelmadelYsid: ah, nice to hear. :)
00:47:07bluebrotherhmm. Can't see anything strange.
00:47:08^JimmyRidge^thats a handy cmd
00:47:10amiconnjhMikeS: the >10 seconds are on the physical amd64 box
00:47:18^JimmyRidge^delYsid, ? u here? its me DeL3e7!
00:47:26amiconnMy vmware needs >10 seconds until playback even starts...
00:48:52krazykitamiconn, obviously the solution is to run linux ;-)
00:48:59delYsid^JimmyRidge^: Do we know each other?
00:49:14amiconnkrazykit: The vmware image does run linux
00:49:25^JimmyRidge^guess not then
00:49:25amiconnThe host is windows, and the sim is snappy there
00:49:40jhMikeSit only does anything like that for me if the pagefile is involved alot but that's sort of expected
00:49:52krazykitamiconn, no, i meant natively.
00:50:23amiconnI won't do that for sure. Not on the laptop
00:50:47jhMikeSBuffer a video stops after 5 or 6
00:51:05amiconnjhMikeS: Buffering needs <1 second in a windows sim
00:51:37jhMikeSWell, my sim is a linux sim since it's VMWare.
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00:52:16jhMikeSyou are referring to a cygwin one I take it?
00:52:46amiconnCompiled under cygwin, yes
00:53:06jhMikeSok. I've never even run one of those.
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00:53:09amiconnThe compiled sim is a native win32 app
00:53:23amiconnNo cygwin needed to run it, just sdl.dll
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00:56:05***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" VMWare starting a full-screen video up on the gigabeat sim starts with no perceivable delay at all and no roughness during buffering which is over fast. odd differences.
00:59:08^JimmyRidge^ok i just completely restored it hopefully it'll will work this time
00:59:36amiconnjhMikeS: Btw, all my buffering time, load etc figures use the default wps of course, i.e. include peakmeters
00:59:41jhMikeSOf course I cut the VMWare RAM size down so it doesn't eat space on my main OS.
01:00:24amiconnMy vmware ram size is set to 256MB. Both my amd64 box and the windows laptop have 1GB of physical ram
01:00:27jhMikeSpeakmeters have no negative impact for me at all for buffering.
01:01:15amiconnMy vm is *not* the one from the download server though. It's my own installation of debian unstable, includes gnome etc
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01:09:43^JimmyRidge^this is killing me
01:09:59jhMikeSamiconn: are the measurements after the last change?
01:10:12^JimmyRidge^i dunno why its not detecting the partition/ or mounting it <rockbox>
01:10:39jhMikeSamiconn: so it changed/didn't change from before?
01:11:14^JimmyRidge^i see the rockbox bootloago then it craps out to say no partition found insert usb cable and fix it
01:11:21amiconnIt became a bit better on the amd64, in that there is no noticeable delay before it starts playing
01:11:57amiconnOn windows there's no noticeable change. Worked nicely before, and works nicely now
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01:12:40amiconnOn vmware I don't know. I only use it rarely for running sims
01:12:52amiconnNative win32 sims are much more convenient
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01:24:54^JimmyRidge^says Partition unkown in ipods testmode...
01:25:06^JimmyRidge^under HD info
01:25:16SoapI'm late to this conversation, but is it a Winpod?
01:25:42SoapHve you previously installed IpodLinux?
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01:26:48^JimmyRidge^/dev/sdc2 11 497 3911824+ b W95 FAT32
01:27:15^JimmyRidge^should i try tweakin the id
01:27:29amiconnThe id doesn't matter for rockbox
01:27:38amiconn(as long as it's != 5)
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01:30:06^JimmyRidge^maybe try a dif build?
01:30:25*jhMikeS wonders what the sim changes mean for blackhawk
01:30:52amiconnRockbox ignores the partition id almost completely, and just tries to mount every non-empty partition as fat32, as long as it's not an extended partition.
01:31:10amiconnIt will use the first partition it is able to mount
01:32:57^JimmyRidge^then why am i getting a nopartition found, you saw my fdisk output eh?
01:35:20amiconnI don't know. Don't have much experience with linux fdisk either...
01:37:09^JimmyRidge^does rockbox.ipod need to be in the root dir?
01:37:35amiconnNope. It needs to be in /.rockbox (where it's unzipped to)
01:37:59pixelma^JimmyRidge^: were you installing on a Nano?
01:38:15amiconnIt will probably work in the root as well (iirc the bootloader still checks both locations)
01:38:32^JimmyRidge^nano 4GB black
01:39:55^JimmyRidge^this is drivin me nuts
01:40:05pixelmaand the "no partition found" - do you get that when trying to boot Rockbox or do you already have problems elsewhere?
01:40:17^JimmyRidge^no the original firmware loads fine
01:40:49amiconnBut testmode says partition unknown?
01:41:11pixelmamaybe he's suffering from a really bad case of the "recent" Nano problem?
01:42:01pixelmajust an idea though...
01:42:50^JimmyRidge^might need a windows computer to fix it or somethin
01:44:02RudManas far as I know, rockbox is not supported on the 4GB nano
01:44:14RudManit is only supported on the 1st gen nano
01:44:39^JimmyRidge^but it is a 1st gen ;(
01:44:48^JimmyRidge^with a bigger drive
01:45:18amiconnRudMan: The 1st gen came in 1, 2 and 4GB versions
01:45:41RudManhmmm. sorry about that, I thought 1st gen was only 1GB
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02:03:48XavierGrdoes the sansa support usb 2.0 speeds? what about its memory card slot?
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02:09:30jhMikeSXavierGr: most definitely
02:10:59pixelmaXavierGr: I bet it's different from the Ondio ;)
02:11:47jhMikeSIt's definitely a bit different from the player too
02:16:08XavierGrheh thanks
02:16:16XavierGrI am itching to buy one right now
02:16:34XavierGra friend of mine needs an mp3 player (low cost) and I am trying to convert her on the rockbox side
02:16:45XavierGrprobably I will try to drag Genre9mp3 into it too :P
02:19:27jhMikeSIt's a very nice player with some impressive sound imo. My favorite for going around just listening to music since it just slips in a shit pocket.
02:19:44jhMikeS*shirt pocket :P hehe
02:19:54XavierGrjhMikeS: what about the portaplayer battery problems in the sansa?
02:20:25pixelmajhMikeS: BoS just belongs there :P
02:20:42jhMikeSnot much worse than OF from what I've been told. I've never run it down to even 50%.
02:21:00*jhMikeS incorporated a BoS reference into the dual core patch :)
02:21:59jhMikeS...just so I can carry I it around with me
02:22:07XavierGrBoS is a historical reference in these days, it is the first golden quote on the rockbox era after all ;)
02:22:07pixelmasome nice "data abort at ..."?
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02:26:43jhMikeSpoison poiter value 0x8a905417
02:27:05jhMikeS*pointer....the typos today
02:30:39jhMikeSwas that BoS stuff logged in IRC? would like to see it.
02:31:17pixelmasee GoldenQuotes wiki, top entry
02:31:35pixelmait was in a forum thread
02:31:52amiconnXavierGr: I doubt that it's the first. Just the first that was documented as such
02:33:33amiconnAt the time this quote was made, rockbox already existed for almost 4 years
02:34:29jhMikeSthe forum discussion still exists: alexshigo
02:36:44jhMikeSguess it wasn't that long ago...hehe
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02:39:36XavierGramiconn: yes of course, but it is the first documented and probably the one that started the golden quotes page, also the most famous
02:39:46linuxstbThis is definitely older than BOS...
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02:58:06^JimmyRidge^ok i think its just the way i formated my ipods fat32 partition
02:58:30^JimmyRidge^i was thinking of doing a mformat but what should i put for heads/sectors
02:58:35^JimmyRidge^its solidstate!?
02:59:48iambenwhy are you entering heads/sectors? let fdisk or whatever fudge the disk geometry like it always does
03:01:02^JimmyRidge^cause its having problems
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03:52:48^JimmyRidge^im at my wits end with this no partition BS
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04:55:05JGabcdehow do u change the startup ipc in rockbox
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04:58:21Ebertdunno if you can
04:58:38Ebertwhat hardware?
04:59:39JGabcdethat pic
05:00:35Ebertthe apple at the beginning?
05:01:16Ebertcan't change that
05:04:50JGabcdeno in rockbox
05:04:53JGabcdethe logo
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05:11:26^JimmyRidge^if u compiled ur own version maybe
05:14:38^JimmyRidge^jeez i cant even get loader2 to work
05:15:27krazykit^JimmyRidge^, please read the IRC guidelines, specifically the part about using "u" or "ur"
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05:19:01Ebertthe "u" is not even here krazykit..
05:19:26krazykitEbert, ...what?
05:19:48alienbiker99(^JimmyRidge^) if u compiled ur own version maybe ...........
05:19:58Ebertthe person, JGabcde , signed off right before he said it
05:20:12alienbiker99Ebert wrong person
05:20:41krazykitEbert, i was talking about using stupid "contractions" for simple words, which is against the channel guidelines
05:20:49Ebertthe person ^jimmyridge^ was answering to, so its pointless
05:21:26krazykitwell, abbreviations rather than contractions, anyway
05:21:48Ebertwow, i thought you were telling him to be specific on who he was talking to, this rule is even more lame
05:22:21krazykitit's a benefit to non-native english speakers and to people using screen readers.
05:23:12Ebertnow i am afraid to say anything incorrectly :)
05:23:59krazykitwell, minor spelling mistakes aren't a big deal, since everyone makes them. the problem is when people are all "zomg dUdE how u insall stuff".
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06:08:30^JimmyRidge^well i got linux to boot up fine
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06:19:36HeimrichHimmlerganf einch rockbox
06:20:10advcomp2019david do not spam
06:20:33HeimrichHimmler!!!How did you know my name????
06:20:39HeimrichHimmlerOk, I wont.
06:22:06HeimrichHimmlerI have read through the Twiki, but I'm still confused. I know how to compile rockbox, but I don't know how to patch.
06:22:40krazykityou use "patch"
06:22:49krazykitdid you read WorkingWithPatches?
06:23:37HeimrichHimmlerYes, I follow every direction, but I don't understand. This may be a little too hard for me right now, I guess.
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06:24:27krazykitwell, the basic rundown is to cd to your source directory (rockbox/) and then patch -p0 < /path/to/patchfile
06:24:34JerryLangehello i have a problem with rockbox on my 5.5g 80gb ipod
06:24:53qwmscorche: lvl 99 is a fucking nightmare, way worse than that other level i had trouble with.
06:24:58JerryLangefor some reason when ever i turn it off and turn it on some of the settings i just set do not save
06:25:13HeimrichHimmlerlvl 99 pokemon is hard to beat
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06:25:35HeimrichHimmlerlvl 99?
06:25:37krazykitHeimrichHimmler, stay on topic in here.
06:25:55qwmHeimrichHimmler: the bubbles game.
06:26:00Ebertbubbles qwm? one in the 70's gave me a problem
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06:26:10HeimrichHimmlerIt's the snood-like one, right?
06:26:16JerryLangeanybody know how to help me with my problem
06:26:18qwmyeah, lvl 70 and 99 are incredibly difficult imo.
06:26:46qwmEbert: did you beat all levels?
06:27:07Eberthow many are there? no im taking my time
06:27:07HeimrichHimmlerwhat other wads is rockdoom compatable with, other than doom. there are heritic wads.
06:27:14advcomp2019JerryLange, what is the issue
06:27:19qwmi don't know, hehe.
06:27:25qwmassuming there's only 100.
06:27:26krazykitHeimrichHimmler, read the wiki.
06:27:59JerryLangeeverytime i turn my ipod on and then off the settings are somewhat reset
06:28:01Ebertjerrylange, are you saving a config file in "manage settings" ?
06:28:06HeimrichHimmlerNope, guess not.
06:28:21HeimrichHimmlerPatch your Ipod's bootloader.
06:28:22JerryLangeEbert, yes
06:28:37krazykitHeimrichHimmler, don't give advice when you don't know what you're talking about.
06:28:37Ebertnewest bootloader?
06:28:42HeimrichHimmlerWith e200tool
06:29:10SoulPropagationHi ... not sure if this is ok to ask here but can anyone tell me why I can boot into Rockbox on an iPod but booting into Apple OS will cause it to basically nuke itself? This is regardless of whether I have the bootloader installed or not
06:29:25JerryLangethis never occured before but this problem just happened
06:29:34HeimrichHimmlerWhat does the 'i' mean in iPod anyway?
06:29:38Ebertnuke itself isn't descriptive :/
06:29:44SoulPropagationHeimrichHimmler: As far as we know, "iNternet"
06:29:50krazykitHeimrichHimmler, you've been warned over and over. stay on topic.
06:30:11SoulPropagationEbert: the lcd goes out but the backlight stays on; pushing a button gives me a click but spinning the wheel doesn't.
06:30:22krazykitSoulPropagation, i'd try using iTunes to restore the ipod, see if that'll fix the issue. make sure your music is backed up first, tho
06:30:55HeimrichHimmlerIs there a way to change my device's cpu frequency?
06:30:57SoulPropagationkrazykit: I've restored more times than I can count, not to mention formatting and scandisking
06:31:09krazykitHeimrichHimmler, no.
06:31:18krazykitHeimrichHimmler, well, easy answer is no.
06:31:33krazykitSoulPropagation, sounds like it's time to remove all traces of rockbox and head to an apple store :-/
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06:31:40JerryLangeand when i go to load config.cfg "which is rockbox defaults settings there not loaded until i turn the player off then on
06:32:35krazykitHeimrichHimmler, david, please change your nick to something that isn't offensive, please
06:32:55JerryLangemaybe i should re do everything to get rockbox again
06:33:49SoulPropagationkrazykit: there's no warranty... at least there isn't anymore. I put in a new screen (I intentionally bought one with a broken screen on the cheap) and AiOS doesn't like the new one... I think it's a 5.5G screen in a 5.0G iPod
06:34:49JerryLangenow i reset the settings did nothing and it still reset the default settings. whats wrong
06:34:49Ebertthat may mean your hd is damaged along with the screen, hope not tho SoulPropagation
06:35:19SoulPropagationEbert: screen works fine in rockbox, iPod diagnostic tool AND chkdsk give me sunshine and rainbows
06:35:56Ebertno, i meant its possible the ipod was dropped or beaten, breaking the original screen
06:35:58JerryLangeall i remember doing that didnt seem good was i turned auto update on and also turned shuffle on and changed the song very quick and this froze my player. so i reset it and then all this started happening
06:36:29SoulPropagationEbert: It was probably dropped. But, if the HDD was damaged then why can rockbox and chkdsk and everything say it's working?
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06:37:08SoulPropagationon a similar note, would anybody be interested in BUYING a 30Gb iPod 5G? It DOES run rockbox just fine ;)
06:37:13krazykitSoulPropagation, well, i'm no apple expert by any means. you might be able to get some good answers for the OF on ipodlounge or something
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06:37:45SoulPropagationkrazykit: posted there, waiting for a response... it's been a day though >_>
06:38:01krazykitwell, they say patience is a virtue ;-)
06:38:23SoulPropagationkrazykit: yeah, but I'm just worried it'll get buried
06:38:33JerryLangewhat is the rockboxqt zip file called?
06:38:34krazykitbut in the meantime, does emergency disk mode at least work?
06:38:41krazykitJerryLange, rbutilqt?
06:39:39SoulPropagationkrazykit: MSC mode works, OBD works, rockbox works, EVERYTHING works except OF
06:39:44Ebertdid you have to reformat it before solely because of dual booting?
06:39:52JerryLangewow i cant get that rbutilqt to work at all
06:40:18HeimrichHimmlerTry sansa.fmt
06:40:27SoulPropagationEbert: no, even with a fresh restore it won't boot
06:40:53krazykitHeimrichHimmler, seriously, shut up. not everyone has a sansa.
06:40:54JerryLangewhat is the old rockbox installer called?
06:41:35advcomp2019HeimrichHimmler, david, it is an ipod not a sansa
06:41:48JerryLangeim going to reflash my ipod and maybe that will work since nobody else has given me any advice
06:42:49HeimrichHimmlerWhen I use, and chose just the arm cpu, rockbox did not compile. That means I have to choose all, right?
06:43:07krazykitHeimrichHimmler, you're only building for the sansa?
06:43:15krazykitif so, you ONLY need ARM.
06:43:30krazykitand remember, to build rockbox itself, you choose e200, NOT e200r
06:44:13JerryLangeill use the old one because everytime i run the qt version it get an error
06:45:14HeimrichHimmler$PATH should have arm-elf in it, right?
06:45:39krazykitif you did it with the defaults, it should have /usr/local/arm-elf/bin/
06:46:02krazykitsomething like /bin:/sbin:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin
06:47:19SoulPropagationis there a place I can sell my iPod? Most people outside here wouldn't buy it unless I can get the OF working >_>
06:47:49JerryLangehopefully one of the devs will come on here soon so i could get some help
06:48:27krazykitSoulPropagation, the mailing list, maybe.
06:48:36SoulPropagationkrazykit: thanks. :) night night
06:48:40krazykitread the rules first, though
06:48:53krazykiti *think* it's allowed, but i don't recall
06:48:55HeimrichHimmlerOk, I got it to compile again, after completely replacing windows with ubuntu.
06:48:56SoulPropagationI will, don't worry. :D
06:49:20HeimrichHimmlerThanks again.
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06:49:55HeimrichHimmlerSince the nintendo DS has an arm processor, will this work to make .nds files?
06:50:21HeimrichHimmlertwo arm processors, arm-9 and arm-7
06:50:29krazykitHeimrichHimmler, stay on topic.
06:50:35krazykiton topic means rockbox.
06:50:46krazykitis there any part of that you don't understand?
06:51:20HeimrichHimmlerrockbox can run on nintendo DS. It can be a homebrew application. If not, I will not say anything more about it....
06:52:56krazykitthere's a thread about this in the New Ports forum
06:52:59JerryLangei hope what im doing works
06:55:57JerryLangewell now i got it to uninstall
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06:57:32JerryLangei guess if i have any other problems ill come on late later when the devs come on so i actually get some help
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07:43:10JerryLangeanybody in here own and run rockbox on the ipod 80gig?
07:45:33JerryLangei was just wondering if dir cache correctly runs every time you boot rockbox
07:50:48JerryLangemine runs correctly about every other time
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07:58:23blackflowerdoes anyone know if the sansapatcher which is linked from the Installation section of the manual is new enough to include the bugfix for the e200 LCD bug? (the top two garbage lines thing)
07:58:31blackfloweri'm wondering if i'm doing something wrong, or if the fix just isn't in that
07:58:54ddaltonHow do I get voicebox to record file extentions in the .talk clips?
08:00:03JerryLangeblackflower, do you mean this? ALERT! 2007-09-05: The notorious LCD bug on newer Sansa e200 models is fixed.
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08:01:03blackflowerJerryLange: yes, i assume that's the one. is there instructions somewhere of how to get the fix? just redoing the bootloader install doesn't seem to work, and i tried building the sansapatcher from svn and it segfaults...
08:01:47JerryLangewell that was on the "majorchanges" page, which usually means its fixed in the newest build of rockbox
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08:03:23JerryLangeddalton, could you please explain more of what you want.
08:03:38blackfloweri see...well, maybe i'm missing something
08:04:07JerryLangei would assume to update to the newest bootloader and then newest build and that should seem to work
08:04:36blackflowerheh, ya that's what i assumed too. i'll try redoing it, maybe i forgot a command somewhere along the way
08:04:58JerryLangeor if you want do a complete uninstsall and reinstsall
08:05:21JerryLangei take it you compiled your own build?
08:05:43blackfloweryeah, but it's not modified at all from what's in svn
08:05:55blackflowermaybe a full reinstall would help, i'll try that too
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08:14:54blackflowerhmm, yeah it still seems to be there. i bet the sansapatcher on the website hasn't been updated yet, unless i'm really messing something up. does anyone know the right way to build sansapatcher from svn? it seems to build okay, but it segfaults after i choose install
08:15:38LloreanYou can use the provided one with an SVN bootloader, you don't have to use the bootloader builtin to sansapatcher
08:15:54^JimmyRidge^why do i keep getting this wierd problem
08:16:55^JimmyRidge^No partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it.
08:17:03blackflowerLlorean: ohh, cool. how do i get it to build the bootloader? (or is it one of these files it already built?)
08:18:09^JimmyRidge^ipl's loader2 loaded the /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod "kernel" but the darn kernel isnt finding where it was executed from
08:18:33^JimmyRidge^little more verbostiy would help
08:20:08Lloreanblackflower: Just choose "Bootloader" instead of "Normal Build"
08:20:21Llorean^JimmyRidge^: Is your iPod Fat32 formatted?
08:20:36LloreanAnd Rockbox is on the FAT32 partition?
08:20:53LloreanAnd it's not an extended partition?
08:21:02^JimmyRidge^mkfs.vfat /dev/sda2 -F32
08:21:10^JimmyRidge^all primarys
08:21:18LloreanThen it should work.
08:21:26GodEater^JimmyRidge^: what flavour ipod ?
08:21:35^JimmyRidge^excatly why im chewing my own head
08:21:44^JimmyRidge^ipod Nano 4GB gen1
08:21:52LloreanBut you really should try using the official setup.
08:22:02LloreanYou could be running into "The Nano bug" or it could be something about your setup
08:22:19GodEaterLlorean: 0xb or 0xc partition type ?
08:22:24LloreanAnd using Loader2 qualifies you for "unsupported" status, since you're depending on hardware initialization this project didn't write.
08:22:28^JimmyRidge^the only thing i havent tried is letting windows have a go at formating it
08:22:40LloreanGodEater: Rockbox doesn't care about that, only iPodPatcher did.
08:22:48^JimmyRidge^well the same thing was happening with the rockbox loader
08:22:51LloreanGodEater: At least afaik.
08:23:11GodEater^JimmyRidge^: pastebin us your partition table ?
08:23:12blackflowerLlorean: thanks, works like a charm
08:23:16^JimmyRidge^my soldistate ram is about to reach its max writeable ammounts
08:23:18JerryLangeanybody run or know how rockbox works on the ipod 80gig? i have a question about dircache
08:23:36GodEaterJerryLange: just ask your question
08:23:38LloreanJerryLange: Exactly 0 people have entered the room since you last asked that.
08:23:56LloreanWait, my mistake, looks like maybe 2
08:24:35Llorean^JimmyRidge^: As I said, you could simply be encountering the Nano bug.
08:24:51JerryLangedoes dircache run smoothly and correctly on the ipod ? mine seems to run or initialize every other time
08:25:02^JimmyRidge^i've googled like mad i not the only1 this is happening to
08:25:20Llorean^JimmyRidge^: As I said, it may be a known bug that Nano users are having.
08:25:31GodEaterLlorean: I wonder if it might be the mkfs.vfat bug too? Although admittedly we've only seen that on larger volumes than this previously
08:25:37Llorean^JimmyRidge^: It's described in the patch tracker, though the entry is not well named.
08:25:47GodEaterI don't like the fact that Apple's diag mode is saying "Partition unknown"
08:25:50JerryLangeor maybe something is wrong with my player
08:25:57LloreanGodEater: The ATA timing issue on Nano has caused Partition Not Found for some people
08:26:05GodEaterah ok
08:26:06LloreanThough apple's diagnostic mode is different
08:26:08LloreanI didn't see that
08:26:29^JimmyRidge^crazy eh?
08:26:29Llorean^JimmyRidge^: If apple's diagnostic mode is saying it can't find the partition, the problem isn't something to do with Rockbox, none of our code is running.
08:26:37LloreanJerryLange: Why do you think this is not normal behaviour?
08:26:47GodEaterJerryLange: what do you mean by "it initialises every other time" ?
08:27:04^JimmyRidge^i got linux to boot
08:27:34scorche^JimmyRidge^: linux?
08:27:50GodEater^JimmyRidge^: not on that partition table you didn't
08:28:04JerryLangealright. i just booted my player and it said it only took 9 seconds to Initialize, other times when the player is loaded its stil loading and has only like 500 files in the cache
08:28:53GodEaterI've never seen a message saying "took 9 seconds to initiliase"
08:29:07GodEateror any other number of seconds for that matter
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08:29:32JerryLangeis says 9s in the dircache info for "scanning took"
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08:30:04GodEaterJerryLange: It takes 60 seconds or so for mine to scan
08:30:35GodEaterif yours is bugging out so early, I imagine you have file system problems
08:30:37amiconnScanning time depends on how many files are on the disk
08:30:42GodEateramiconn: obviously
08:30:58gnychiscan any rockbox plugins play .mov files? (same format used to play in original firmware)
08:30:59JerryLangei have about eight thousand
08:31:07Lloreangnychis: No.
08:31:08GodEatergnychis: no
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08:31:14GodEaterJerryLange: same as me then
08:31:28GodEaterJerryLange: so I suggest you check the filesystem
08:31:45amiconnMy H180 also just needs 8 seconds, scanning ~6400 files
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08:32:00JerryLangewell sometimes it takes about 9 seconds
08:32:17GodEateramiconn: pretty impressive
08:32:32LloreanDoesn't the 5.5G have pretty slow read speed?
08:32:33amiconnGodEater: How many files do you have? 60 seconds seems pretty excessive
08:32:36GodEateramiconn: does the ATA hacks you've done for the 80GB ipod have any impact on that time ? (I'm guessing not)
08:32:57GodEaterentry count is 7328 amiconn
08:33:01amiconnI got such a long scanning time when I had a folder with very many files on my H180
08:33:34JerryLangeactually i have 9956 files on my player
08:33:34GodEaterI don't have any really huge folders
08:34:38JerryLangeand on my 5.5g 80gb it only took 9 seconds
08:34:38amiconn...which also made dircache size go very near the built-in limit of 6MB. Don't remember the file count, but it certainly was >50000 files
08:35:32amiconn7 seconds for 4844 files on my 2nd gen
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08:35:55JerryLangenow i restarted the player (turned it off then on) and now its taking longer to initialize
08:36:34amiconnGodEater: 2 seconds for 1350 files on LinusN's 5.5G
08:36:50JerryLange112 seconds now
08:36:52amiconn(sorry, didn't put more files there)
08:37:09GodEateramiconn: well I have no theories as to why mine has taken 60s
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08:37:53JerryLangebut sometimes. i recently reinstalled rockbox completely and it seems to be working correctly, but before it wouldnt even initialize
08:37:59amiconnEither there are huge differences between 5.5Gs, or yours is very fragmented
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08:38:16GodEateralthough having just done a power off and back on - it now says 10 seconds
08:38:26JerryLangesame as me
08:38:26GodEaterand I doubt it's fragmented much, I've never deleted anything from it
08:38:47amiconn~10 seconds is what I would expect from your file count
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08:39:40JerryLangesometimes it seems to do dircache before rockbox loads completely (during the boot screen) and sometimes it doesn't
08:39:58amiconnGodEater: Hmm, maybe you resumed playback right after boot when you got that long init time?
08:40:21GodEaterI have resume playback on start set to yes if that's what you mean
08:40:24amiconnHaving playback run in parallel to dircache scan slows the scan down *a lot*
08:40:50JerryLangeyes but why the 2 different scan times that are very far apart from each other?
08:41:08GodEaterah - so if I powered off with it stopped though - that wouldn't resume on startup
08:41:28amiconnIt would
08:41:45amiconnIt only won't resume if your playlist ended
08:41:53GodEaterin that case I can't explain the difference in time
08:41:59*amiconn never sets rockbox to "resume on startup"
08:42:18amiconnMaybe it depends on the codec
08:42:30GodEaterall mp3
08:42:34amiconn(assuming you use several different formats)
08:42:35GodEaterI don't own anything else
08:42:53JerryLangesame here. all mp3
08:43:18*GodEater has just triggered an interesting behaviour
08:43:37amiconnBut having playback run while dircache scan isn't finished may slow it down. As long as dircache has found all files when the scan ends, there's nothing to worry about
08:43:44GodEaterpowered off with it plugged into usb, and it went straight the AppleOS's "Warning, very low battery screen"
08:44:13GodEateramiconn: it's not a behaviour that worries me anyway =/
08:45:04JerryLangeanybody even listening to me? as long as it runs correctly its only 2 mins. its fine. i think what i usually do is im browsing files as its running and that makes it run even slower.
08:45:58GodEaterJerryLange: yes, what's your point ?
08:47:05JerryLangeim just talking about the same as you guys and noticed the behavior as well
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08:48:27GodEaterwell what did you want us to say ?
08:48:33markunJerryLange: the only thing that really bugs me is that dircache scans in the foreground when you reboot while it's scanning (after disconnecting from USB for example)
08:49:46JerryLangejust thought you guys already knew the behavior as ive noticed it for a couple days
08:50:48GodEaterso you didn't want us to say anything then ?
08:51:13markunJerryLange: are you sure you are not talking about the same problem?
08:51:37markundoes the HDD stop after scanning is finished (in 9 seconds)?
08:51:52*GodEater is confused
08:51:56JerryLangei was wondering if it was a known bug or not
08:52:32GodEaterif what's a known bug? You just said it works?
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08:54:00JerryLangeok nm i guess you dont understand
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08:54:41GodEaterJerryLange: can you just explain *what* you think the bug is ?
08:55:56*markun feels ignored
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08:56:25JerryLangei was wondering why sometimes it takes 9s when other times it takes over 100s
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08:56:56JerryLangemarkun, yes the hdd stops
08:57:34markunok :)
08:58:12JerryLangei recently reinstalled rockbox by the way, and it seems to be running MUCH better
08:59:35amiconnmarkun: I reported this bug to Slasheri multiple times. It exists since he fixed another dircache scan related bug
09:00:07amiconnIf the dircache scan is interrupted (by connecting usb or shutting down before it finished), the next scan happens in the foreground
09:00:29amiconnBefore, it wasn't possible to interrupt the scan at all
09:00:32GodEaterJerryLange: amiconn already said, if the disk is being used to do other things, such as file browsing, or resuming playback (so loading music into memory), then the scan takes longer
09:00:48GodEaterthat's not a bug, it's just a fact of the disk being unable to do two things at once
09:01:06amiconnIt's more a CPU load problem than the disk access itself
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09:01:36JerryLangei see, but the last 2 times as i did this. all i did was turn it on and turn it off and had music resume and one time took 9s and the other took 112s
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09:04:33JerryLangeok next question, where can i download a package for cygwin. when i try to download it from the installer it takes too long or my internet gets disconnected and i have to restart the download. i spose i cannot get a package because i need specific files to build cygwin for rockbox
09:05:14B4gderJerryLange: you need the actual cygwin installed first
09:05:34B4gderthen you install the additional development packages
09:05:39JerryLangeyes i know thats what im talking about.
09:05:45markunor use vmware, but that probably takes even longer to download
09:05:46amiconnJerryLange: The installer will download the packages at the same speed as any other download method
09:06:08B4gderJerryLange: "thats" being what part?
09:06:13amiconnAnd you don't need to restart from the beginning if the connection is interrupted
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09:06:54amiconnThe installer caches all files it downloads
09:06:57JerryLangeyes but if i had a package for the cygqin installer i could use my download manager and download it and if i get disconnected i could resume without having to start over
09:07:29B4gdercygwin doesn't come in any other way afaik
09:07:56JerryLangethats cool, but next time i go to use the same mirrior it cant find the files
09:08:03amiconnThe individual packages aren't that big
09:08:16B4gderJerryLange: then pick another mirror
09:08:34amiconnB4gder: Yes, but then he has to restart from the beginning
09:08:40B4gderah right
09:08:46amiconnSome mirrors are indeed quirky
09:08:51B4gderthat's actually a bit of a flaw in their system
09:09:30amiconnIf you're in the EU, I can recommend the mirror
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09:09:52JerryLangewell this is what i am going to do i guess. run setup tell it just to download the files on my cousins computer then copy the files to a cdr or something copy them to my computer and then tell setup.exe to install from a local directory
09:09:54amiconn(and using http in the installer seems to be more reliable than ftp)
09:10:21B4gderJerryLange: I don't think it installs from a local dir that easily though
09:11:46JerryLangealright i see what ya mean. is there anyway to get past the flaw then?
09:12:39B4gderpick a fine mirror and stick with it - the same mirror - on retries
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09:13:29JerryLangeso when it says error just keep clicking retry?
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09:13:47B4gderwhen does it say error?
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09:15:14JerryLangehold on. i can probably get the error to come up
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09:17:16JerryLangeok nevermind i deleted all the files
09:19:51JerryLangebut im gonna try the way i said and see if i can get cygwin to work that way then download the rockbox package
09:20:17JerryLangebecause according to the wiki it will only take me 10 mins for that and i can deal with like an hour for it to download for me
09:22:15GodEaterLinusN: *ping*
09:22:28B4gderJerryLange: using the vmware image is much more fun anyway...
09:22:51GodEaterusing linux is much more fun than the vmware image :)
09:22:53JerryLangelast time i tried vmware i could not get it to work
09:23:08LinusNGodEater: pong
09:23:09JerryLangei do have a ubuntu live cd right in front of me
09:23:10B4gderwell, apparently you don't get cygwin to work either ;-)
09:23:20GodEaterLinusN: just wondered if you'd had any feedback from Jeff at all ?
09:23:39LinusNyes i have
09:23:51GodEaterpositive ? :)
09:23:52LinusNhe can't understand why it gets so loaded
09:24:01JerryLangeis there a readme like cygwin does?
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09:24:16GodEateris there any hope he'll let one of us poke around and see if we can fix it ?
09:24:20B4gderJerryLange: ask the cygwin guys, we're just users of their software
09:24:27LinusNi made some further analysis yesterday, and my theory is that he is performing nightly backups
09:24:30scorcheLinusN: do his logs show anything?
09:24:41LinusNscorche: i don't have access to his logs
09:24:56GodEaterLinusN: that was my theory too
09:25:08GodEateris the open SMTP relay theory bunk now ?
09:25:19scorcheLinusN: just checking in case he checked them
09:25:24LinusNi guess that is one of the problems, along with some possible crawler activity
09:25:55GodEaterI assume the mysticriver forums also suffer at this time of day too ?
09:26:34qwmso, has the nano bug been fixed yet?
09:26:38scorcheqwm: my thoughts too
09:26:46JerryLangevmware seems harder
09:27:01scorcheJerryLange: in regard to what?
09:27:36JerryLangeall i want to do is build my own build and once in awhile run patches
09:27:49JerryLangecompile my own build if thats better
09:27:51morrijrlots of folks appear to have issues with the cygwin installer - strange, over 6 different internet connections I never have...
09:27:58scorchemost people consider vmware to be much easier and faster than cygwin
09:28:04GodEatercygwin is just all round sucky
09:28:14GodEaterand the vmware image is definitely faster
09:28:27morrijrassuming you can use vmware in a corp environment...
09:28:33LinusNfunny, i have installed cygwin + rockbox dev on numerous computers without any problems
09:28:42morrijr(esp to run something other than windows)
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09:28:51GodEatermorrijr: why you be able to use cygwin and not vmware player ?
09:28:59GodEaterthe former is far more invasive than the latter
09:29:09morrijrcygwin invasive? How?
09:29:15B4gderGodEater: cygwin opens a smaller windows and is easier to hide on the screen? ;-)
09:29:17JerryLangebut to install patches on vmware i just follow the instructions on
09:29:18scorchein tersm of installation
09:29:21GodEaterB4gder: hehehehe
09:29:28GodEatermorrijr: count the files it installs :)
09:29:37scorcheJerryLange: compiling is basically the same either route
09:29:47morrijrin one directory - how many do you get within the virtual drive?
09:29:51morrijrbig deal.
09:30:25scorchemorrijr: 1 file
09:30:46morrijrscorche: no - that's the virtual drive. How many does it have.
09:30:55scorchehow many does what have?
09:30:58JerryLangewell ill try vmware hopefully i can get it to work correctly
09:31:14GodEatermorrijr: it doesn't matter, as far as a windows admin is concerned that ONE file is easy to get rid of
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09:31:27morrijrGodEater: and registry settings?
09:31:42morrijrGodEater: and the application to run it?
09:31:55scorchemorrijr: now it just seems liek you are arguing for the sake of arguing...
09:31:57morrijr*shrug* academic anyway
09:32:03amiconnvmware is certainly more invasive to a windows install than cygwin
09:32:23morrijrscorche: no, I dev some of cygwin and *can* install it, and can't install vmware.
09:32:37*GodEater would be surprised to find a big corp that doesn't allow vmware these days
09:32:45scorchewhy can you not install vmware?
09:32:57scorcheGodEater: more and more are using it internally too..
09:33:17morrijragainst corp policy on individual boxes - 'they' can't see what's installed on that OS so won't allow us to use it.
09:33:24GodEaterscorche: exactly - there's a HUGE VMWare infrastructure here
09:33:49scorchemorrijr: well, that is just one corp policy...
09:33:51B4gderbig corps forbid all sorts of stuff just as precautions
09:33:51JerryLangewell i have windows so it sounds like vmware would be better for me
09:34:15scorcheanyway, this is offtopic, and should be moved to -community if you are going to discuss it further
09:35:02morrijrsorry - it just bugs me when people complain without having anything to really back their complaints up.
09:35:17scorchethere is plenty to back it up...
09:36:16GodEaterI'm not ragging on cygwin per se - I'd prefer it over no POSIX env. at all - but I prefer the vmware image. That's all.
09:36:37*B4gder offers a coffee refill around the channel
09:36:59*GodEater takes the offer
09:37:15morrijragain, sorry, but from within the cygwin community it appears to be like that sometimes. Bit like people who complain about Rockbox but don't offer any solutions I suppose
09:37:19Zagorooh, coffee!
09:37:30*morrijr I'll get in there too.
09:37:58JerryLangewhen i power off my ipod the screen flashes to white right before it shuts off. is this normal?
09:38:32morrijrGodEater: scorche: if you've any suggestions to improve the cygwin situ, please /msg me
09:38:52GodEateror you could come to -community
09:39:01scorchemorrijr: you can always join #rockbox-community..
09:40:23ZagorB4gder: yay, another card! :)
09:40:55B4gderhehe, yes
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09:41:41JerryLangeis it supposed to flash white like that?
09:42:36B4gderit? flash? how?
09:42:59JerryLangegoes to black screen like its off. then WHITE then back to off
09:43:29JerryLangeactually its to shutting off screen....WHITE...then black
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09:57:11Ebertjerrylange, its normal
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09:57:59JerryLangewell i will get vmware and try to complie my own build. wish me luck.
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10:15:28B4gderunboxing pictures are so totally boring, we need ripped-apart pictures (ipod touch)
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10:17:47GodEaterB4gder: I don't understand the mentality of people who think unboxing is worth documenting with pictures
10:18:03B4gderno, it is hard to understand
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10:18:26ddaltonWho here knows about vb scripting?
10:18:34B4gder"and look today I bought 2 liters of milk and some bread that I'll now unbox on video"
10:19:14GodEaterddalton: it's best just to ask your question :)
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10:19:56ddaltonok who can help me modify voicebox so it will include file extensions in the .talk clip?
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10:20:21GodEaterit doesn't do that already ?
10:20:24*GodEater is surprised
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10:20:49LloreanAs it is "voicebox" only creates talk clips for files with certain extensions, I believe.
10:20:53ddaltonno it just voices "File" not "File.extension"
10:21:05LloreanAnd doesn't include them, it's really more intended to just voice the names of music files I think
10:21:09ddaltonIt even has a comment saying to strip the file extension
10:21:12ddaltonin the script
10:21:56ddaltonthat's very easy to modify I can make it voice all files. But I want it to say for example "File.txt" not just "file"
10:22:10ddaltonactually not all files but what ever extensions I tell it to
10:22:25ddaltonof course I am talking about a text file there.
10:22:42LloreanI think that voicebox might do with some added interactivity. An option for all files, all music, all "supported" (playlists, text, etc), and with or without extension.
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10:24:15GodEaterddalton: you want it to say "filename dot em pee three" for example ?
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10:24:58ddaltonGodEater: exactly
10:26:07*GodEater looks at voicebox, and can't quite work out where the extension is being stripped
10:26:47GodEaterah - it's in VoiceCheck
10:27:02ddaltonwhat is "VoiceCheck"?
10:27:21GodEaterit's a function in the voiceUtils.vbs file
10:27:31GodEateryou need to comment out the two lines which start :
10:27:37GodEaterLastDot =
10:27:46GodEaterClipSpeak = Left
10:27:51GodEaterwhich follow each other in the file
10:28:26GodEaterI don't think the "dot" will get voiced though
10:28:39GodEaterunless you do some more work in TextToMP3()
10:28:59GodEatersince that replaces all occurences of "." with a space
10:30:23*ddalton is trying what GodEater said.
10:32:37ddaltonGodEater: Working as expected. I just need to figure out how to get the . spoken
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10:36:18ddaltonThanks it now even says the dot. Maybe I should make this a setting and then either put it in the tracker or on the wiki.
10:36:26ddaltonwhat one wiki or tracker?
10:37:11GodEaterddalton: you need to check that your solution for speaking the dot doesn't just remove the "Replace()" call
10:37:21GodEaterbecause you only want to speak the *last* dot in the filename
10:37:29GodEaterand leave the rest alone
10:39:25ddaltonwhy can't we just speak "." all the time? If a folder has a . for example .rockbox I like to here .rockbox not rockbox.
10:40:49GodEaterddalton: um. Your choice I suppose. It's just Voicebox currently goes out of it's way not to speak all those special characters
10:41:06GodEaterI'm not really in a position to pass judgement though, as I don't use it much
10:42:23ddaltonI like it saying all those characters. Should I just put it on the wiki and if people start complaining I will just remove it?
10:42:36GodEateryou could put it in as another version, and leave the old one there too
10:42:40GodEaterthat should please everyone :)
10:42:45ddaltonhereing nothing for a - for example isn't useful.
10:42:56ddaltonok I will do that.
10:43:03ddaltonThat is just my opinion.
10:43:05ddaltonabout the -
10:43:30GodEaterI think your opinion is valid - you use it more than me :)
10:44:17ddaltonok so now I just need to write an if statement to check if file extensions should be voiced?
10:44:52ddaltonwhile I am at it should I just provide voice for all the extensions I can think of?
10:44:59ddaltonadn see what people say?
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10:49:59GodEaterddalton: that's a good idea
10:52:34ddaltonone quick question. How do I end an if in vb script?
10:52:42ddaltonand is "else" ok?
10:53:07GodEaterelse is ok
10:53:13GodEateryou end an if with "End If"
10:53:22ddaltonis it "EndIf" to end an if?
10:53:30GodEaterthere's a space I think
10:53:34ddaltonok you answered me sorry.
10:53:46GodEaterno problem ;)
10:55:36*amiconn never uses .talk clips for files, just for folders
10:55:49*ddalton Does!
10:56:07*ddalton Is testing my code!
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10:56:24GodEateramiconn: I don't either - but then I'm not blind
10:56:53LloreanWould it be possible to do something like .talk clips as we've done with icons?
10:57:09LloreanFor example, with spelled folders and files, it would say a quick "Folder" then start spelling, or "Song" and then start spelling?
10:57:16*ddalton Has broken something.
10:57:34GodEaterLlorean: of course it would be possible ;)
10:57:54LloreanOkay, more along the lines of "Would it make sense / be useful to someone or a large group of someones to..."
10:58:14GodEaterthat's a tougher question to answer, and only those people that use it would be able to answer
10:58:43ddaltonwhat is the question?
10:59:04amiconnI agree that it would be more useful to speak the file type first (both for spelling and file numbers)
10:59:13GodEaterLlorean is asking whether you'd find it useful to have the filename prefixed with either "Folder" or "Song" depending on what it is when Voicebox annouces it
10:59:32ddaltonsee p7653
10:59:35amiconnThe file type is the only reason I use file voicing at all (just numbers) in the car
10:59:39Lloreanamiconn: I was thinking "type" as in category rather than extension, since you can have that prevoiced more readily.
11:00:04amiconnYes, as the types are currently handled
11:00:38amiconnAll extensions supported by playback are currently voiced as type "audio"
11:00:52ddaltonthat would slow navigation down when using .talk clips. But deffinetly a good idea for spelling
11:01:17*ddalton wonders if anyone looked at p7653
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11:08:21ddaltonok now I have got it working with the option in the ini file. But there a couple of problems:
11:08:55ddaltonThere is no tick box for voice file extensions. And there are 2 tick boxes for voice folders
11:09:21ddaltonand one is ticked or unticked depending on the setting in the ini file. Does anyone know what needs to be done now?
11:11:10GodEaterddalton: I think that stuff is in the voiceBox.hta file - unfortunately I know nothing about that file format (beyond the fact that it's a mix of html / script)
11:11:29ddaltonok I will look for examples.
11:11:33GodEatergood luck
11:11:35ddaltonhopefully it won't be to hard
11:11:56ddaltonis that all that nees modifying?
11:12:29GodEaterI believe so
11:12:32GodEaterbut don't hold me to that
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11:38:23B4gderlooks like there's finally a nice dual-boot x5 bootloader patch pending
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11:40:31LloreanB4gder: By "nice" you mean "doesn't use bits of the flash?"
11:40:33LloreanIs it in the tracker?
11:40:45B4gderyes, 5289 I believe
11:41:09B4gderI just read the description
11:41:15B4gderdidn't actually test it
11:41:22LloreanAh, old task, new patch?
11:41:27ddaltonGodEater: Can you see if you can work out the format of the tar file?
11:41:31B4gderseems so
11:42:03ddaltonor does anyone know how it works? How do I add another check box after voice file names and get it to check the ini file to see if it is true or false
11:42:08LloreanHe's been using it for 9 months?!
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11:42:25B4gderthat's quite some testing time ;-)
11:42:39LloreanI mean, isn't the last reason to use the OF now "USBOTG"?
11:42:47GodEaterddalton: what tar file?
11:43:09bluebrotherddalton: tar is a really simple format. What do you want to do?
11:44:30ddaltonbluebrother: I want to add a check box that checks to see what the setting is in the ini file and tick it if it is true.
11:45:02GodEaterI think you mean the .hta file don't you ?
11:45:04GodEaternot a tar file
11:45:28*bluebrother remembers his tar themes loader
11:45:47bluebrotherguess that's pretty much out of date now. Maybe I should revive it?
11:46:25GodEaterbluebrother: yes you should!
11:46:59bluebrotheryou think so? But then I should think about the speed penalty it created due to the unordered files.
11:47:00ddaltonsorry... screenreader doesn't say that sorry for the confusion.
11:47:27ddaltoncould rockbox handle tgz files or zip files? Could we write a plugin to do this?
11:47:44ddaltonwho wrote voicebox?
11:47:46dionoeait can't
11:47:51dionoeabut it can be written.
11:47:58bluebrotherddalton: I wrote a plugin that extracts tar files. It isn't hard.
11:48:13dionoeawith zlib support ?
11:48:22ddaltonreally? so it could extract a tar file to any dir on the player?
11:48:25bluebrothercheck FS #6156 −− it extracts tar files that contain theme files
11:48:36ddaltonso only theam files?
11:49:00GodEaterddalton: can you think of another use for them ?
11:49:04bluebrothernot generic, no. I wanted to have packaged theme files and haven't seen a reason to support generic tar extraction
11:49:12*amiconn thinks .zip support would be more interesting
11:49:13ddaltonfor what?
11:49:20bluebrotherand tar isn't compressed, which makes it really easy
11:49:45bluebrotherimplementing zip would be harder ... and I still don't see any advantage over tar.
11:50:11bluebrother(as you need to handle with compression too)
11:50:42GodEaterI agree tar would be a better format to support
11:51:20amiconnzip is more cross platform than tar, and it's compressed
11:51:24LloreanZIP might be useful for other things too
11:51:56bluebrothertar works flawlessly on platforms like windows. And you still can compress it if you want to
11:51:57LloreanSome of the emulator audio formats are often compressed, though I think RAR is the common.
11:52:38bluebrotherthe problem I see with zip is that you always need to deal with compression.
11:52:54bluebrotherrar is common? Never seen that much.
11:53:16LloreanRar is common among certain strange crowds.
11:53:51ddaltoncould we find an open source extracting program and port it to rb?
11:53:53LloreanFor example it's common to compress an game's worth of SPC files into a RAR, with extension RSN, because you can get something like 7 to 1, or higher, compression.
11:53:59ddaltonas a plugin of course
11:54:16bluebrotherwell, we might be a strange crowd here but not in that terms ;)
11:54:24ddaltonrar? is that only for win rar?
11:54:43B4gderrar is not an open format
11:54:45jbitzip has a whole bunch of compression methods which makes it harder to read than say gz which is only one method... although there are a whole bunch of libraries for dealing with zip :)
11:55:01jbitB4gder: eh?
11:55:45ddaltonok I found the line Dim Overwrite_dotTalk, Overwrite_dotWav, RemoveWav, VoiceFolders, VoiceFiles
11:56:03ddaltonshould I add my option name that is in the ini file?
11:57:29jbitB4gder: ah, only decompression is 'open'
11:57:53B4gderrar really is best avoided imho
11:58:48jbitmaybe, at least decompression is open... but having it as the only compression format supported would be troublesome :P
11:59:28GodEaterisn't there an option with zip to use no compression at all ?
12:00:09jbityes it's possible, but i don't think requiring users to do that is a good idea :P
12:01:38ddaltoncan someone just edit the hta file for me if I upload it? I have done the rest.
12:03:01ddaltonGodEater: Do you know about vb script?
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12:04:07GodEaterddalton: not really
12:04:13bluebrotherGodEater: there already was an attempt −− see FS #5002
12:04:51ddaltonGodEater: Could you try and work out the hta file? it is a bit of vb script and html I think.
12:05:10GodEaterddalton: not got time now - sorry
12:05:28ddaltonok I will keep trying.
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12:07:12SofRaZorbacKhello guys
12:07:19Lloreanbluebrother: Wasn't one of the problems with .tar themes an issue of order within the file?
12:07:33ddaltonHi, How did you go with that translation?
12:07:35bluebrotheryes. It resulted in a noticeable speed penalty
12:07:53Lloreanbluebrother: Would it be possible for RBUtil to "package" the themes?
12:07:59SofRaZorbacKddalton: not sure for the moemt got to compile and test
12:08:07Lloreanbluebrother: Thus making sure they're in the right order?
12:08:15scorcheLlorean: eventually, the themes site will do that
12:08:20ddaltonyou should probably try building a voice file as well as compiling.
12:08:27bluebrotherbecause of this I created the installer plugin as immediate solution. Ultimately, the theme loader should load the files in the order they appear in the tar
12:08:42SofRaZorbacKddalton: your right :)
12:09:11bluebrotherso IMO we _could_ easily migrate to using tar for themes and let the users extract them on the player using the plugin
12:09:20ddaltonas long as you filled in between the quotes the right string for it to voice it will work.
12:09:22bluebrotheradding tar handling to rbutil shouldn't be much work.
12:09:42SofRaZorbacKjust aquestio: when i modify a file, as a lang file, and they i chek out the source via svn, is the file updated, are my modifs lost?
12:09:54dionoeamodifications are merged
12:10:00dionoeaso you never lose anything
12:10:03ddaltonAlso if that works create a diff and send it to me so I can upload it. Or you can upload it your self.
12:10:38dionoea(if it can't figure out how to merge ... it doesn't merge and lets you do it yourself)
12:10:46ddaltonto the tracker of course.
12:10:46Lloreanscorche: The advantage of having rbutil pack/unpack themes is that 1) People won't be trying to .tar them themselves (give themes a specific extension) and 2) People can unpackage, modify, package, and submit a modified theme etc.
12:11:12SofRaZorbacKddalton ok thx for the info, i'll let you know
12:11:16ddaltondon't check out svn or run svn up until it is working and then make your diff.
12:11:21SofRaZorbacKand ok for the merging
12:11:48ddaltonit should be ok.
12:11:57ddaltondo you know how to create a diff?
12:12:19bluebrotherLlorean: having the files in the tar in the "wrong" order would only result in a speed penalty, so it would still work.
12:12:33scorcheLlorean: and what about all the information gathered byt the themes site that is made into the text files (one for the site, one for the zip) you think rbutil should do that too?
12:12:35SofRaZorbacKgottta lett you all
12:12:42SofRaZorbacKthx for all the advice
12:13:07bluebrotherscorche: we could think about a "theme submission plugin" to rbutil. Once we support plugins ;)
12:14:13scorchei see...we would have to duplicate the creation process for the themes site as well then, as i dont think people should be forced to use rbutil to submit themes
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12:19:47Lloreanscorche: I agree, people shouldn't be forced.
12:19:54LloreanBut an easy method for submissions wouldn't be too bad.
12:20:31bluebrotherhas Rockbox become easy? ;)
12:20:45LloreanHow 'bout "streamlined"?
12:21:03LloreanBut the other thing is, the package option should be available for users who don't make use of
12:21:17LloreanAnd for users who don't want to get to know this strange "tar" program
12:21:18Llorean :-P
12:21:59bluebrothera theme creation plugin could allow the user to save or submit the resulting file
12:22:50scorchewell, if we are going to be switching to tar in the near future, the themes site would be better off waiting for that before going would make things simpler
12:23:05bluebrothermaybe it even wouldn't be too hard to also allow checking the wps for error
12:23:40bluebrotherIMO the theme site should go live asap
12:24:02bluebrotheras I bet it will take quite a while until that switch will happen ... if it will happen
12:24:21*scorche has a lot of code cleanup to do...
12:24:28bluebrotheroh, that much?
12:24:39scorchewell, before i put it into svn at least
12:25:12scorchei think it uses pretty much every combination of whitespace and brace positioning possible...
12:25:30bluebrothermay I suggest running indent? ;)
12:26:18scorchewill that work for php?
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12:26:34bluebrotherI think so.
12:26:35kclafwrong button
12:26:43kclafI'm sorry
12:27:39scorchebluebrother: i just see it mention C and C++..../me googles
12:28:00GodEaterit does all sorts of styles
12:28:13scorcheugh...indent is a horrid name for an app...makes searching useless
12:28:26GodEaterman indent
12:28:44scorchei did...only mentions C and C++ as i said
12:29:01sbehkclaf: die please :]
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12:29:33GodEaterscorche: just try it on a backup of your php ?
12:29:43scorchei suppose
12:29:59bluebrotheryou need to disable inserting spaces after braces
12:30:09bluebrotherI got "< ?php" here −− urgh
12:30:10ddaltonOk I just need to fix the hta file and I can post an update to voicebox.
12:30:12*scorche puts that on the list for things to hopw to do tomorrow
12:30:16ddaltonbut I don't know how!
12:31:18scorchebluebrother: well, if that is the only oddity, that is easily fixed after the program is run..
12:34:43*bluebrother bookmarks page
12:34:47*ddalton Might be making some progress :-)
12:35:48scorchethanks...i shall check that out
12:55:45*pixelma makes sure she didn't exclude doom for all targets, only additionally for the c200 before committing the patch ;)
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12:59:06markunpixelma: disabling doom would take away the reason most ipod users seem to install rockbox in the first place :)
13:00:50ddaltoncan someone take a look at this and tell me why the hta page has two check boxes called the same. ddalton/">
13:01:29ddaltoncan someone tell me what dume does?
13:01:39Lloreanddalton: It's a game.
13:01:44ddaltonI don't feel like reading about just a breafe description would be nice.
13:01:46Lloreanddalton: D O O M.
13:01:49ddaltonreading the manual
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13:02:01ddaltonok sorry what is it?
13:02:29LloreanIt's a game. Run around and shoot things.
13:02:30ddaltonanyone having a look at my script?
13:02:42ddaltonok no good for a blind guy!
13:02:45LloreanPretty much impossible to make accessible
13:02:56in-janei have one problem. i had 12 albums on my sansa e260. after i add one new album, i tried to update the database gut i didn't find the new album. then i selected to Initialize the database and rebooted. after that i saw ONLY the new album on database. after that, i tried to update, nothing happened. Then i decided to nitialize it again, rebooted, and now i see those old albums but not the new one :D. what i am doing wrong?
13:02:59LloreanThough I've encountered *one* of such games that was done so through very careful use of surround sound.
13:03:13Justcameronhey peoples
13:03:43ddaltonOk I will ask on the dev list. am I likely to get help there?
13:04:54GodEaterddalton: as likely there as anywhere
13:05:02Justcameroncan anyone tell me how I can back up my ipod firmware before installing Loader 2?
13:05:25*ddalton Wonders why no one wants to talk to me!
13:05:31LloreanJustcameron: This is #Rockbox not #Ipodlinux
13:05:58JustcameronLlorean: okay, I'll try there, thanks
13:06:06bluebrotherddalton: I guess you'll reach more people who could help
13:06:18ddalton/join #ipodlinux and use ipod updater once your done! to restore it
13:06:26Lloreanddalton: 1) You're asking for help with something not from SVN, so many people aren't familiar with it. 2) Even people who are familiar with it, may not know the language it's in.
13:06:33markunJustcameron: but I would think that you can backup your ipod by simply copying everything, no?
13:06:48Lloreanmarkun: No, the original firmware's kept in a hidden partition.
13:07:01bluebrotheryou still can copy that ;)
13:07:02markunah, the firmware.. missed that
13:07:05ddaltonit is #ipodlinux sorry
13:07:09LloreanThe most direct method is to use dd to make a copy of that partition, but it's several times the size of what you "need"
13:07:45bluebrotherafaik you don't need to backup that as you can simply write the image file apple provides later
13:08:04ddaltonok I will do that.
13:08:14ddaltonI was joking before anyway.
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13:08:34Lloreanbluebrother: Yeah, unless for some reason you want to preserve an older, or specific, version (or one modified with iPodWizard)
13:09:09*delYsid just posted FS #7779
13:09:14*bluebrother leaves for lunch
13:09:34delYsidha, I love this hack, it sounds so, erm, professional :-)
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13:10:21LloreandelYsid: It seems like it should be two patches.
13:10:31LloreanOne for talking frequencies, and another for jingle support.
13:11:48delYsidwell, one depends on the other, so I just merged them.
13:12:16LloreanYes, but if the devs decide they want one, and not the other, or want one now but the other needs improvement, the way things stand they may just both be rejected until they're rewritten.
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13:12:29LloreanIt's better to keep separate features as separate patches, and just leave a comment that one depends on the other
13:12:55delYsidLlorean: please comment to the patch if you have any technical problems with the implementation...
13:13:15delYsidhmm, I kind of get your point, yes.
13:13:28LloreanIt's more of project policy than anything
13:13:31ddaltonis mlang) around?
13:13:39ddaltonmlang that should be
13:13:39LloreanSeparate features belong as separate patches.
13:13:40delYsidddalton: yyes, thats me
13:14:05delYsidLlorean: for me, its not really a separate feature, I needed something to announce stations. If no jingle is found, I still get the frequency spoken...
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13:14:40ddaltoncan you read my comment I just posted?
13:14:51delYsidlet see
13:15:00LloreandelYsid: Yes, but they are definitely separate features. Speaking the frequency is an extension of existing voice functionality. Jingles are an entire new features.
13:16:15ddaltonI am talking about fs#7779
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13:16:52ddaltonhave you read it?
13:17:07delYsidddalton: 6331 changes all sorts of things, I think that patch ois outdated.
13:17:20delYsidmine just adds a few lines without changing the language file at all...
13:17:23pixelmahmm... seems like doom is possible (it compiles), I just doubt it's much fun on a 136x80 pixels "big" display
13:18:04pixelmafor the Sansa c200 that is
13:18:10delYsidLlorean: not quite, because jingles just uses the underlying talk api, it pretends the jingle is a thumbnail...
13:18:42delYsidpixelma: on my e280, doom crashes when I select "play Game"
13:18:42ddaltonDid you see the last comment?
13:18:47ddaltonBTW Are you blind?
13:18:49LloreandelYsid: Yes, but thumbnails are for individual *files* traditionally. You're adding a new system.
13:19:00delYsidddalton: yes, I am.
13:19:13LloreandelYsid: They are distinct enough to be two features, "voice frequencies" and "Station thumbnails"
13:19:32delYsidLlorean: well, I use that patch, just wanted to post it for others.
13:19:35LloreanEspecially since voicing frequencies is universally useful, while station thumbnails is only useful for someone who sets it up.
13:19:48LloreandelYsid: The whole point of the tracker is to post things desired to be included. And the tracker has a policy.
13:20:50delYsidLlorean: so, what do you want me to do, delete the item, resubmit two others and split the patch up including dependencies. That sounds a little like jumping through hoops for such a simple patch.
13:21:08delYsidevery capable dev can easily separate the two ideas if they want to commit them separately
13:21:22LloreandelYsid: Or you could just split the patch into a stand-alone frequency patch, a jingle one that is dependent on it, and add them as comments
13:21:37LloreandelYsid: Then, in the future, follow guidelines for posting to the tracker instead of choosing to decide that you don't need to.
13:21:38ddaltondelYsid: Are you going to make any other plugins talk?
13:21:48ddaltonlike maybe the stop watch?
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13:22:11pixelmadelYsid: it runs (in the sim) - I just can't read anything in the game menu
13:22:16LloreandelYsid: Stating "Every capable dev can do it" is fine, but that doesn't give you license to ignore the guidelines we ask submitters to follow. By that statement, you're capable, so go ahead.
13:22:18delYsidddalton: I have already made all sorts of plugins talk.
13:22:21B4gderdelYsid: what capable devs can or not is not really what matters, but that there are a whole lot more people posting patches than who apply them so the ones who post them need to make lifer easier for those who commit
13:22:26ddaltonWhat are the guide lines. Where are they written?
13:22:28pixelmamaxkelley: you around?
13:22:40delYsidddalton: but my modifications are not particularily welcome here, so I'll keep them to myself I guess...
13:22:44ddaltonwhat ones?
13:23:03delYsidthe metronome for instance
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13:23:29ddaltoncan you post all your patches or email them to me so I don't have to re do work that has already been done?
13:23:42delYsidchessbox is also fully voiced now, including menus. I have a blind friend who uses this since I wrote it to play chess in the train...
13:23:56ddaltoncan you email them to me then?
13:24:23delYsidddalton: sure, I can drop your the whole thing in a mail, whats your address?
13:24:43LloreandelYsid: What's the tracker entry for this "unwelcome" patch?
13:25:20ddaltondelYsid also do you know about voicebox?
13:25:42delYsidB4gder: yes, I've been doing project management as well in the past... but this case is just too simple to warrant all the complains.
13:26:26delYsidLlorean: 7704 (the second patch that was uploaded by ddalton since it "splits" the basic functionality out of the chessbox addition)
13:26:31LloreandelYsid: It's not a case of how simple it is. It's a case of "There are rules, you don't get to pick when you can ignore them."
13:26:44LloreandelYsid: If the patch were two lines, or two thousand, I'd be saying the same thing: Two features, two patches.
13:27:49delYsidLlorean: for me, its not "two" features, I am blind, so I need announcements, if I dont have jingles I need frequencies... if only the jingle part were applied, that would not help me much, I'd still need to patch locally.
13:28:18LloreandelYsid: Yes, but the frequency voicing is very, very clearly a stand alone feature.
13:28:22ddaltondelYsid: have you sent it?
13:28:40LloreandelYsid: You're intentionally choosing to put them in an order that one is useless without the other, but frequency voicing could very well be added without jingles.
13:28:49LloreandelYsid: Honestly, I'd settle for even "I'll be more careful in the future" but you've stated you seem to think you get to choose if this guideline doesn't apply to you.
13:28:53delYsidddalton: not yet :-)
13:29:25delYsidLlorean: I will try to be more careful in the future.
13:29:59LloreanThe point of this whole thing was to make you aware that there is a guideline, and that if something can be separated into features (even if one "feature" is dependent on another) it probably should be.
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13:34:38*Llorean wonders at the intended use for the XML plugin
13:37:34delYsidddalton: sent. use at your own risk...
13:40:50ddaltonthanks for the patch
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13:44:07ddaltonhmmm how big is the voice file?
13:44:25delYsidapprox. 1.5MB here.
13:44:45delYsidno problem at all with my sansa, I actually use 22kHz mp3s which result in a 2MB voice file and it still works.
13:44:49ddaltonok not bad that's fine with me
13:45:22ddaltonyeah it would but on the older targets 1.4 is about the max
13:45:45delYsidwell, you can still lower the resampling rate of lame in your Makefile...
13:46:21delYsidIts sad that I have to do my one redistribution for blind friend s here, but well, thats the game....
13:47:06ddaltonwhat about the blind friend?
13:47:22B4gderdelYsid: why do you have to do that?
13:47:37delYsidB4gder: because 7704 is apparently not going in... :-(
13:47:55delYsidso I do my own builds now for a couple of friends.
13:48:10MethoS-i made an ebuild for the rockboxutilqt, but I can't add it, cause doesn't let me log in, although I'm registered
13:48:12B4gderI agree its sad that things aren't done right
13:48:45delYsidB4gder: what, in particular?
13:48:52B4gdervoicing of plugins
13:49:12B4gderthis is a topic as old as the sun
13:49:18MethoS-so how can I put it on the website?
13:49:37delYsidB4gder: ahh, so I'll just give up and do my own mods then.
13:50:01B4gderdelYsid: that's your choice, we don't make you go that route which you make it sound like
13:50:10delYsidit costs 2 times more energy to try to convince people here than to just code up what I need for myself...
13:50:17B4gderthen do it RIGHT
13:50:27B4gderinstead of hacking it in for you
13:50:38B4gderand we'll love it!
13:50:39pixelmaZagor: what would one have to pay for c200s in Sweden?
13:51:27delYsidB4gder: you know, open source, scratch your own itch and all that.
13:51:39Zagorpixelma: I paid ~550 SEK (EUR ~59)for a c250 2gb without radio
13:51:44B4gderdelYsid: sure, but then don't whine when we don't accept it
13:51:56ddaltondelYsid: can you send it to me as an attachment it seems to be failing here. What revision did you diff against?
13:51:58delYsidI'd like to do it right, but doing it *right* in this case means needless code and complication... a separate voice file for plugins would make the core quite a bit more complicated.
13:52:14B4gderit wouldn't have to be a separate file
13:52:18delYsidddalton: latest, and it was an attachment.
13:52:31delYsidB4gder: what would it need to be then?
13:52:35ddaltonsince I am using a h300 I am happy with one big voice file but I know it won't ever get committed.
13:52:52B4gderdelYsid: a way for the core to load parts of the file would be enough
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13:52:56pixelmaMethoS-: did you read how to register/get write access in the wiki thoroughly
13:52:58ddaltonwas it sorry. tb doesn't tell me that with jfw.
13:53:20pixelmaZagor: ah, ok. Seems to be in the same range as here, hmmm....
13:53:22B4gderdelYsid: and if its needless, we don't need it so why do you need it?
13:53:25ddaltonwhat is part 1.2?
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13:53:56B4gderpixelma: in general you (germany) have cheaper electronics than us in Sweden
13:54:29delYsidB4gder: because actually, for most plugin voicification we dont need to add that many strings... so the voice file doesnt get much bigger...
13:54:33ddaltono I see
13:54:47MethoS-I read it, but it seems like I missed some sentences
13:55:02B4gderdelYsid: but we want a system that works for all plugins, for all languanges and for voicing. We don't want a hacking ad-hoc thing.
13:55:02pixelmaB4gder: yes, forgot a bit about your taxes...
13:55:20MethoS-so: can I get write-premissions, please
13:55:21B4gder"hackish" even
13:55:39pixelmaMethoS-: not as MethoS
13:56:03pixelma(I assume that's you)
13:57:04MethoS-it is
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13:58:01moosHello there
13:58:58pixelmaMethoS-: we require you to make your wiki name out of the real name (without abbreviating too)
13:59:39pixelma"Your WikiName must be your real first and last name concatenated, like JohnSmith or SteveAnderson. It's not JohnS, SteveA or NinjaBoy."
13:59:47MethoS-i know
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14:02:36pixelmaand how does MethoS fit there - or did you already registered following the guidelines, if so what wiki name is it?
14:02:56MethoS-I dont't get it... I gave information about my realname at registration
14:03:12bluebrotheryou need to use your real name as wiki name.
14:03:26MethoS-why is that??
14:03:35Zagornew frontpage layout again. bring on the flames :)
14:03:39bluebrotherbecause we require it. It's a project policy.
14:04:20bluebrotherZagor: much better.
14:04:39B4gderZagor: those since-links need to go in there somewhere too, so many people ask for them
14:04:49ZagorB4gder: right, me fix
14:04:52bluebrotherI was just about to ask about them ;)
14:05:20*B4gder spots that we have posts from Daniel x 3 in the mailing lists...
14:06:45MethoS-how can i change my wiki-name? it always says "acces denied", if I try to change something
14:07:19B4gderallow me
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14:07:56B4gderMethoS-: you're now ClemensWerther
14:08:39DrAlexanybody can help me?
14:08:56bluebrotherno. We don't know your problem.
14:09:03bluebrotherunless you tell us, of course ... ;)
14:09:53DrAlexWell, I've MP4 Meizu M6, and i want know if i can instal Rorck box system?
14:10:02bluebrothershort answer: no
14:10:06B4gderDrAlex: you just need to port rockbox to it first!
14:10:42DrAlexwhat? i dont understand..
14:10:43bluebrotherlong answer: Rockbox hasn't been ported to that player. Because of this it isn't advertised. You need to port it, see
14:12:00bluebrotherZagor: the centered news table looks nice. How about centering the logo too?
14:12:10ZagorI just did
14:12:20*bluebrother refreshes page
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14:14:07mooszagor: why not an icon a bit bigger?
14:14:24*amiconn thinks the "what" and "where" columns should be swapped
14:14:29Zagormoos: icon?
14:14:39moosrockbox logo I meant
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14:15:01aliaskAnyone here familiar with the way software usb is supposed to work in rockbox?
14:15:14Zagoramiconn: done
14:15:48MethoS-now I cant log in with my real name (without spaces) and my pw
14:16:34Zagormoos: I don't quite see an advantage of using a bigger logo. it only steals space we want for text.
14:17:01bluebrotherisn't the logo big enough? Given you have a usual display resolution?
14:17:26B4gderMethoS-: hm, yeah I bet I confused it by renaming your user wiki page...
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14:17:33Zagoramiconn: it looks a bit weird in that order, but I guess that's just habit
14:17:42BigBambiWork:me performs a hit and run
14:17:59preglowhmm, i think the column widths should be somewhat artificially limited
14:18:00mooszagor: that was just an estetical thought, for make things more proportionnel
14:18:09preglowit's really tiresome to read them when they're 1600 pixels wide
14:18:15BigBambiWorkD'oh - French keyboard
14:18:28BigBambiWorkZagor: Much better :)
14:18:52moospreglow: hi
14:19:08B4gdergrrr, Zagor do you know in what file the twiki users htacccess is stored?
14:19:24preglowmoos: hellos
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14:20:11moospreglow: did you encountered quality problems with some musepack files since your last commit? for ARM that is
14:20:24preglowmoos: no, but i haven't used many musepack files since last
14:20:35moosI supose that people already reported this before
14:20:41moosahh :(
14:20:50preglowreported before?
14:20:52preglowyou have some?
14:21:04B4gderMethoS-: try again!
14:21:07moosyup, on ARM we lost quality
14:21:32preglowmoos: sure, but do you have any where the quality loss is audible?
14:21:42moospreglow: encountered with gigabeat
14:21:53markunhi moos!
14:21:56preglowmoos: how does it sound?
14:21:56moosand the quality loss is very audible
14:22:02Zagorpreglow: better?
14:22:09moosfor some files bad
14:22:17moossalut markun
14:22:29preglowZagor: oh yes
14:22:49preglowi hate having unused space on web pages, but too wide columns forces the eyes to go back and forward all the time, which gets tiring
14:22:52moospreglow: do you have an ARM target?
14:23:01preglow(this is why newspapers use multiple columns)
14:23:04preglowmoos: sure
14:23:24moosthen let me send you some test files
14:23:32bluebrothermaybe just break the commit message at 80 characters?
14:23:37moosthat sound fine on coldfire but not on ARM
14:23:37preglowmoos: can't test now, though, but feel free to test
14:23:55bluebrotherIIRC there was some "soft break" entity in html
14:24:38moosI simply canot listen to some mpc files on my gigabeat since this commit, that's strange that no one reported this before
14:25:13Zagorbreaking floating text looks really bad when you have smaller screen. you get wraps everywhere. soft wrap is not cross-browser supported iirc.
14:25:27moospreglow: are the musepack users as rare as this? :)
14:25:39Zagorisn't this max-width good enough?
14:25:42preglowmoos: i don't know, i clearly stated in the commit message that they should tell me if they heard anything
14:25:49preglowi've heard absolutely nothing so far
14:27:06moosI will send you files for that you hear (not right now, but later today) if you want
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14:27:14preglowmoos: sure, i'd love to
14:27:25preglowmoos: might not be able to check it out before after the weekend, but i will do so
14:27:43moosok, I will send you
14:28:56preglowout of curiosity, what is the difference in sound?
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14:30:45moossound quality was fine, but after those changes, the sound is "distorded". The difference is big
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14:33:15in-janedo you have any idea what i am doing wrong: i can't get my database updated. i add new album to my e260 and tried to update it but the album doesn't show on the album list. if i try to initialize the database, i only see the new album i add but nothing else.
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14:35:12desowinin-jane: are the files tagged?
14:36:15ddaltonSofRaZorbacK: Have you done the translation?
14:36:23in-janeyes, because if i initialize the database. i see the new files but not the old files anymore unless i initialize the database again. after that i see the old files again but ot the new ones
14:36:39ddaltonisn't there an update database option?
14:36:53SofRaZorbacKhmm i know it's a bit of topic but i need to know if some blind guys could telle me what irc client they are using under windows .i haven't problems with mIRC display
14:37:24in-janeyes, i've tried to update it but it's not working (it doesn't find the new album)
14:37:32ddaltonBOFH net irc. I can't even use mirc with jfw.
14:37:51ddaltonin the same dir are they?
14:38:11ddaltonwho is blind here? :-)
14:38:28SofRaZorbacKddalton : gonna try that thx
14:38:38desowinddalton: well, many blind users use rockbox....due to its voice support
14:38:44in-janeyes, the file structure is /music/%artist%/%album%/
14:38:55ddaltonI know that I said is there any on here blind a part from myself?
14:42:05GodEaterddalton: if you mean in this channel - I don't think so.
14:42:51pixelmaI thought delYsid is too
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14:46:50ddaltonfor p7779 you should probably speak "point"
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14:54:05bluebrotherMethoS-: I just noticed the rbutil ebuild ... do I understand it correctly that yon install rbutil.ini in /etc?
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14:54:42bluebrotherrbutil.ini is build into the binary and not searched in /etc, so putting it there doesn't make sense.
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14:55:11GodEaterbluebrother: where is it searched for then ?
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14:55:44bluebrotherin the binary folder. Generally it should always use the buildin one.
14:56:11GodEaterimho that's bad practise on unix
14:56:19bluebrotherand there was already discussion about removing the code to look for an external file.
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14:56:44bluebrotherwell, the idea was for portable installs to look in the binary folder.
14:57:19bluebrotherbut after thinking about it for a while I think we shouldn't use anything but the buildin file
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14:57:43bluebrotheras an updated file will most likely also require an updated binary for changed installation procedure or similar
14:59:34MethoS-bluebrother: thats right, that's the same, where the old ebuild for the wx version put it
15:00:28GodEater /etc is the right place for config files of all sorts
15:00:40GodEaterif they're to be used systemwide
15:00:50GodEaterotherwise it should be something like ~/.rbutil.ini
15:01:14bluebrotherthing is that it's not something like a systemwide configuration nor a user configuration
15:01:29bluebrotheruser config goes to ~/.config/
15:02:10bluebrotherthat file only holds some values used in the binary itself.
15:02:31bluebrotherand that is also the reason why the file is included in the binary.
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15:57:00GodEaterhi derek_
15:57:08derek_How would one install a theme for Rockbox?
15:57:26derek_(iAudio X5)
15:57:36GodEaterderek_: have you tried using RockboxUtility ?
15:57:49derek_nope. thanks for the tip
15:59:23derek_thanks again. out of curiosity, though; what directory would a theme's .zip be expanded to?
16:00:14Domonokyderek_: normally just to the root of the player ( the zips should have the right dir structure)
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16:00:36Domonokybut rbutil can do this for you :-)
16:01:01derek_hmm ok - trying it out right now
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16:02:48derek_wow, i wonder why rbutil this isnt on rockbox's homepage for noobz!!
16:05:37Domonokyrbutil is very new, and not completly ready, when it is, it will be on the frontpage :-)
16:06:16Domonokyat the moment it mostly needs testing.. so if you notice problems.. tell us :-)
16:06:34derek_nice. sweet thanks again 4 tha great tip
16:07:42derek_tell you where
16:08:19derek_ha cuz Ive already got 1
16:08:39Domonokyyes, here or mak a entry in the patch tracker, if nobody reacts here...
16:09:03*Domonoky is one of the main devs of rbutil.. so tell me the problem.. :-)
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16:10:59derek_right. MacOS 10.5 - She won't autodetect or let me manually choose directory for device; even if i browse; only shows my hard drive
16:12:02derek_'directory for device' = mountpoint
16:12:05Domonokyah.. MacOsX, thats less tested... autodetection doesnt work every time.. but the selection, that probably a bug :-)
16:12:53Domonokywhere are the device on macosX normally in the tree ?
16:13:07*Domonoky opens the source code.. :-)
16:13:13derek_parallel to the hard drive
16:13:32GodEaterDomonoky: /dev/diskn
16:13:51derek_as far as I can tell looking at a finder window; o ok one sec
16:15:07GodEaterDomonoky: or do you mean "where are they mounted?"
16:15:12GodEaterin which case I don't know =/
16:15:17derek_I can't tell at the moment. i need a terminal command for showing hidden folders one sec
16:15:26GodEaterderek_: "ls -a"
16:15:36Domonokyhm.. the source of rbutil says that it handles it the same as linux.... so it should work.. i think...
16:15:50GodEaterDomonoky: they should get listed in mtab
16:16:03derek_maybe i should try logginf out and back in again
16:16:12XavierGryay for the new rockbox front page, thanks Zagor
16:16:14Domonokyif the device is mounted into the tree like on linux, you should be abel to choose it..
16:16:18GodEaterdelYsid: what happens if you do "mount" in the temrinal window ?
16:16:32GodEaterderek_: sorry - meant that for you
16:16:35GodEaterdelYsid: sorry!
16:17:11derek_"/dev/disk2s1 on /Volumes/IAUDIO" that what you're looking for?
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16:17:43GodEaterthat's the one
16:17:44Domonokyjeah.. so browse to /Volumes/IAUDIO in rbutil for the mountpoint...
16:18:05derek_where would i type that in
16:18:22derek_OH I SEE
16:19:09Domonokymaybe we could limit the dir brwose dialog (to choose the mountpoint) to /Volumes in MacOsX ?
16:19:17GodEaterI really out to remember that /Volumes thing
16:19:20GodEaterI've seen it enough times now
16:19:28GodEaterDomonoky: good idea
16:19:31derek_WOOHOO success thanks
16:19:48DomonokyGodEater_: is it always /Volumes on MacOsX ?
16:19:55GodEaterDomonoky: so I'm given to understand
16:20:05GodEaterlinuxstb is the expert, but I recall him saying that
16:23:48GodEaterDomonoky: also, I think http_proxy should default to system if there's one set, otherwise, to none
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16:24:07annulus_its always /Volumes when its automounted
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16:27:59*Domonoky will limit the dialog to /Volumes on mac... if you mount by hand.. you have to type it in :-)
16:28:53GodEatergood plan
16:29:05GodEaterwe should do similar on linux
16:29:15GodEaterand limit the dialog to /media
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16:30:16Domonokydoesnt this depend on the distro, fo linux ? i thought there were some which mounted to /mnt ...
16:31:10GodEaterI think the new automounting features of most distros default to /media
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16:31:27GodEater/mnt is a historical place left over when you use to do the mounting manually
16:31:33GodEaterit was best practise to mount there
16:31:49GodEaterfor some reason the writes of the automounting stuff have chosen /media as the place to put devices now though
16:32:19Domonokyoki.. the i will limit it, and blame GodEater, i someone complains.. :-)
16:32:29GodEateralthough I'm willing to have someone with a distro that does it differently tell me otherwise
16:32:39*GodEater is used to being blamed for stuff too
16:32:47*Domonoky insert an h and a f where it fits... :-)
16:33:47derek_any way to get additional themes to show up in rbutil?
16:34:11GodEaterderek_: how many show up now ?
16:34:47Domonokyrbutil shows the themes from rockbox-themes.. if there arnt more, it cant show more.. :-)
16:35:25derek_shucks. and 18, GodEater
16:35:41GodEaterso if that's all there is on the site, that's all that will show
16:36:34Domonokywe are waiting for scorche to complete the official wps page.. :-)
16:37:20GodEaterand he's in bed at the moment
16:37:49derek_FYI: there are 32 @ rockbox-themes for my device
16:38:04GodEaterDomonoky: does it show unofficial build themes too ?
16:38:22Domonokyrbutil also only shows themes which work with the official build.. themes for patched builds are excluded..
16:38:23derek_ah, I see. indeed it does.
16:38:59derek_thanks nerds
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16:40:45GodEateranother happy customer
16:41:18bluebrother... without having a product ;)
16:42:04GodEaterdamn, did he forget to pay too ?
16:42:59jbitsaying "thank you" should enter you in a legally biding contract to donate some money :)
16:43:37bluebrotherhmm, he said "thanks nerd" −− does this count too?
16:44:10GodEaterI think so
16:44:40GodEaterin fact, that means he has to donate more, since he was cheeky too
16:44:48jbiti think that'd require a team of lawyers and a judge to decide
16:44:55bluebrotherby calling us "nerds"?
16:45:12GodEaterwhen it's clear we are in fact geeks, and not nerds
16:45:17*bluebrother notes a case issue in rbutil ...
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16:53:44SoulPropagatio1O hai guise.
16:54:02GodEaterSoulPropagatio1: english please. Proper english.
16:54:25SoulPropagatio1GodEater, You've never seen that meme? D:
16:55:10GodEaterSoulPropagatio1: doesn't matter if I have or haven't - we have people here who are relying on screenreaders because they are blind. Having that in here plays havoc with them - so don't do it please.
16:56:03SoulPropagatio1Oh, alright, thanks for the advice
16:56:21GodEaterthank you for abiding by it :)
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16:56:32SoulPropagatio1Not a problem
16:57:56GodEaterthe rules are less strict in #rockbox-community if you want to hang there too
17:04:10SoulPropagatio1Actually, I just had one question as of right now −− can I sell an MP3 player on the mailing list? I can't get it to work in its native firmware but Rockbox works juuuust fine so I'm betting it wouldn't sell as well outside the RB community
17:05:21GodEaterI personally don't object, but I'd get approval from Llorean, Bagder, LinusN or Zagor ideally
17:06:21SoulPropagatio1ok, should I just PM one of 'um or wait for them to show up?
17:06:52GodEatereither MemoServ them, or just wait
17:07:32SoulPropagatio1Ok thanks
17:11:49bluebrothersomeone else tried to sell his AJBR on the user-ml just yesterday. I don't think someone objected (but I might have missed that ...)
17:13:22GodEateryeah I can't think of a reason anyone *would* object - but I don't feel in a position to just say "go ahead" either
17:15:06bluebrotheryup. Just noticed that email ...
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17:25:18SoulPropagatio1I memoserv'd Llorean too just to be on the safe side. :3
17:29:37LloreanHonestly, I just complain a lot, I'm not one to give permission. But I'd say offering a Rockbox target on list is fair, though odds may not be the greatest (most people on-list already have a Rockbox target, that's why they're there)
17:29:46LloreanI'm curious which type of player.
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17:34:29SoulPropagatio1Llorean: 30Gb iPod 5.0, but it has a 5.5 (I think) screen so the 5.0 OS doesn't see it... or something like that
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17:34:54*Domonoky still wonders what is not working with e200rpatcher and windows.. (i dont have a e200r, so i cant test)
17:35:38LloreanDomonoky: Did anyone ever get the libusb stuff working, or is it still stuck at that?
17:36:42Domonokyi dont know... i can compile and run it.. and it enumerates the usb ids..but i cant test further without device..
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17:36:54Ewout1982can anybody help me?
17:37:25DomonokyEwout1982: only if you tell us the problem.. :-)
17:37:31SoulPropagatio1Ewout1982: Let me speak for everyone here when I say "with what"?
17:37:45SoulPropagatio1"with what?" *
17:37:47Ewout1982i have put the new est fusionbuild on my ipod, and now it isn't able to connect to my pc again? I restarted my pc, no result. I rebooted my ipod (menu+enter) no result
17:38:30SoulPropagatio1put it into disk mode.
17:38:38LloreanEwout1982: You're using an unsupported build.
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17:38:42LloreanYou really shouldn't be asking for help here.
17:38:46bluebrotherfusionbuild isn't supported.
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17:40:22Ewout1982how can I put in disk mode?
17:40:48bluebrotherreboot the Ipod by holding Menu + Select. Once the Ipod reboots press Play + Select
17:41:06bluebrothersee also the IpodFaq wiki page
17:41:15SoulPropagatio1Ewout1982: google is your friend
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17:43:53SoulPropagatio1Thanks for your help guys. See ya
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17:49:20SofRaZorbacKhey guys, is the iriver ihp120 supported by rockbox ?
17:49:43SofRaZorbacKis it an early port
17:49:54Domonokyno, very stable..
17:49:59SofRaZorbacKcool thx again
17:50:09Domonokyit was the first after the archos players..
17:50:22n1sSofRaZorbacK: that port has had audio playback for about 2 years iirc
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17:50:43Domonokyand the h120 is a very good player...
17:51:00SofRaZorbacKthx all for your clear response.
17:51:50SofRaZorbacKwe are talking about the IHP 120 correct ?
17:51:57SofRaZorbacKnot the h120
17:52:16SofRaZorbacKwhoops think there is no h120
17:52:22SofRaZorbacKbut h320
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17:54:45Domonokyh120 and ihp120 are the same.. manufacture change the name sometime..
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17:55:21SofRaZorbacKDomonoky: ok just to be sure thx
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17:57:35bluebrotherDomonoky: do you think we should remove support for rbutil.ini in the executable folder?
17:59:29Domonokyhm.. i dont know.. it was nice to easily change urls an such.. but its not really needed..
17:59:54bluebrotheryou can still do that easily. Just recompile afterwards ;)
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18:26:20KupopopI installed a self compiled rockbox for the first time and now I get a -2 error from the bootloader and the origional firmware loads instead
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18:27:33Kupopopon the install guide it says what a -1 error is but not -2
18:28:30advcomp2019what device Kupopop
18:29:33KupopopI think the build went okay
18:30:25KupopopI'll try installing the pre-made daily build and see if that works
18:30:40DomonokyKupopop: did you safely remove the device ? try reextracting it..
18:31:19*Domonoky doesnt know for sure what error -2 is, but i think checksum error...
18:31:56Kupopopsafely remove? I just ripped the usb cable out :/
18:32:07Kupopopnope, the pre made daily build dosent work eaither
18:32:14bluebrotherthat's usually not a good idea ...
18:32:30bluebrothermaybe it's an outdated bootloader? What version does it show?
18:32:48KupopopI kinda deleted rockbox.iriver from the base directory too
18:32:53Kupopopcould this be the source of my woes?
18:33:10bluebrotherpossibly, if your bootloader is _very_ old. What version does it show?
18:33:12Kupopopbootloader version 5
18:33:37bluebrotherhmm, IIRC you need at least version 6 for rockbox.iriver to be in /.rockbox
18:33:58Kupopopokay so I should reflash with a newer bootloader then?
18:34:06bluebrotherso yes, it's because rockbox.iriver isn't found. Upgrade the bootloader or move rockbox.iriver to the root folder
18:34:21bluebrotherI suggest flashing a new bootloader ;)
18:35:19Domonokyupdating the bootloader is surely good, but shouldnt you get a error -1 when it cant find rockbox.iriver ?
18:36:22*bluebrother scratches head
18:36:33Kupopophumm this is strange, rockbox.iriver is showing as being 0 bytes
18:36:34Domonokyso if you just pulled out the cable, i would just try to re extract it, an try a safe remove.. :-)
18:37:03KupopopI'll try doing this in windows
18:37:11Domonokyits because you pulled the cable.. you interruppted the write of the file :-)
18:37:22bluebrotherah: check bootloader/common.h for error codes ... -2 is wrong checksum
18:37:26Kupopopeverything had already been written though?
18:37:51KupopopI have no idea how to eject a usb hard drive in ubuntu :/
18:38:08bluebrotherKupopop: usually the OS caches data. This means that not necessarily the data is already written to disc once the copy process finishes.
18:38:15bluebrotheryou ripped of the drive on _linux_?
18:38:23DomonokyKupopop: unmount it before pulling the cable..
18:38:24bluebrotherurgh :( That's even worse than on windows.
18:39:04KupopopI'm not sure where stuff gets mounted to in ubuntu, I can't see anything in /mnt/ but I'll find out..
18:39:14bluebrothercheck /media
18:39:31Kupopopaha :)
18:39:31DomonokyKupopop: if you use the gui... right click onm the drive icon.. :-)
18:40:03bluebrotheropen a terminal, type "mount", identify the mount point and then "umount <mountpoint>"
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18:40:50Domonokythe noob way: right click on the drive icon on the destop and choose unmount.. :-)
18:41:12bluebrothermy kde desktop even shows "safely remove" in the context menu :)
18:42:30HHi, Im having a few problems with wps on my Rriver H140D when I load most of the defalt thems on rockbox the differant items on the display overlap, e.g song artist and the music progress bar
18:42:44His this because the wps was not made for my mp3 player model?
18:42:47bluebrotherhave you installed the fonts package?
18:43:01Hhmmm no I dont think I have
18:43:22HWill this fix the problem? :)
18:43:23bluebrotheryou read the manual?
18:43:47bluebrotherit tells you that you need the fonts for most themes ...
18:44:01Hoh ok :P
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18:45:18Kupopopgot everything working now thanks :)
18:45:54bluebrotherjust remember: never just pull out an external drive on linux ;)
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18:48:39HAh perfect the theme I wanhted is working great now :)
18:48:48Hthanks for the help c ya
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19:26:28Kupopopon it says:
19:26:29Kupopoprb->splash(HZ*2, "Hello world!");
19:26:29DEBUGParse error in OnPrivmsg(from = "Kupopop!", line = "#rockbox :") (snapshot: server.c line 191)
19:26:33Kupopop−− corrected "rb->splash(HZ*2, true, "Hello world!");" which was causing runtime error −− OzgurOzturk - 27 Jun 2007
19:26:49Kupopopso is the 2nd version with ,true the correct one?
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19:31:08Kupopopnope, its the first one :)
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20:04:28e280ruserI have a question regarding the e200tool. I was wondering if I would need libusb to run this tool after I have compiled it, or if I can remove it once I have compiled the tool?
20:05:07bluebrotheryou need libusb. You can only remove it if you linked statically.
20:05:41e280ruserOk, thank you.
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20:28:30derek__how does one install & activate a rockbox theme?
20:29:44Domonoky_an easy way would be to use rbutil... :-) or just download and unzip the theme to the root of your player... you can then select the theme in rockbox..
20:31:03derek__*ahem* a theme for an unsupported build ;)
20:32:01derek__ok - i just discovered you activate it after booting rockbox but thanks anyway
20:32:28Domonoky_there is a reason why they are named "unsupported"... :-)
20:33:07derek__o i thought it was suppossed to make it sound cooler
20:33:32derek__so u said to the root of the device, not to /.rockbox?
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20:34:52Domonoky_the zip should contain the correct dir structure to unzip to root...
20:35:09bluebrotherderek__: it depends on how the theme file was zipped. Usually you unzip it to the root as the theme file is supposed to contain the required folder structure
20:35:43derek__what would the correct file structure look like for an unzipped theme?
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20:40:39bluebrotherit would contain the theme file in /.rockbox/themes, the wps in /.rockbox/wps etc.
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20:49:27thisislameanyone know a cgi:irc client I can access #ubuntu on?
20:49:52Lloreanthisislame: As that question has nothing to do with Rockbox, I suggest you address it to google...
20:50:01thisislameI did
20:50:02thisislamethats how I got here
20:50:24thisislameit's the only one I hadn't already tried
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20:59:25bluebrotherthere is ...
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21:00:00*amiconn trying that right now
21:00:08amiconnIt's sloo-ooow though
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21:04:19[Rane]That was...very interesting. I just returned to my desk, sat down, and my Rockbox'ed iPod just started up without being touched.
21:06:23[Rane]Hi by the way. I'll be lurking for nuggets of wisdom while I tinker off and on. Not sure if an introduction is desired on a pure dev channel.
21:06:30trekit clearly wants your attention
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21:11:18dionoeaWhy is the mount point selection being limited to /media on linux in rbutil ?
21:12:54Domonoky_blame GodEater_ :-) because it the normal mountpoint for all automounters on linux...
21:13:07dionoeaMine uses /mnt/ipod
21:13:20dionoeaand i'm sure that lots of people also have some "non standard" mount points
21:13:26bluebrothersounds somewhat outdated ;)
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21:14:05bluebrothermaybe that path shouldn't restrict but only get used as default selection unless you have a valid path in the input box?
21:14:11dionoeaMaking /media the default is a good idea
21:14:17dionoeabut you shouldn't limit it to that
21:14:28dionoeabluebrother: right.
21:14:30LloreanI agree that /media should be a good default, but not a restriction.
21:14:32linuxstbWhat happens currently if /media doesn't exist?
21:15:48*dionoea tests
21:16:05*bluebrother doesn't know
21:16:12dionoealinuxstb: it doesn't change the root
21:16:18dionoea(so it leaves it as "/")
21:16:26dionoeaand it uses the current dir as default
21:17:10dionoeaCan i change the behavior ? (or is someone already doing that?)
21:17:34*Domonoky_ isnt, so feel free to modify it .. :-)
21:17:48dionoeabasically it's changing setRoot to setDir
21:18:06dionoeashould i change it for OS X too ?
21:18:37linuxstbI think it's fine for OS X.
21:20:39hachiI did something to my ipod from some instructions on the wiki, because rockbox was unable to read the fat32 partition that I had on it
21:21:13hachinow I'm trying to find that same package to use an fsck-like tool to try and repair the filesystem on my ipod which has apparently gone wonky
21:21:20hachianyone know what this package was?
21:22:00bluebrotheron what os?
21:22:34hachiI didn't use mkfs.vfat
21:22:42senabu sure?
21:22:52hachiapparently rockbox can't handle filesystems that were made with that
21:23:02bluebrotherand what's the problem with that? fsck.vfat will check a vfat volume.
21:23:03hachiI'm positive
21:23:13senabhow about mkfs.fat32
21:23:13hachibecause it doesn't work
21:23:27hachiit was some other utility
21:23:40hachithe main ones aren't working, they throw errors about not being able to seek
21:23:45senabOK HACHI
21:23:55bluebrothermkfs.vfat -F 32
21:24:27dionoeaWhy don't you use a QFileDialog for the directory choice dialog ? (instead of a custom class)
21:24:41bluebrotherif it has problems seeking on that partition there is maybe something really broken with the disc?
21:25:01bluebrotherdionoea: because it has some strange behaviour if you want to select a folder (and not a file)
21:25:05hachino, the problem is the main vfat utils don't work properly on a 5.5g ipoid
21:25:15hachior at least, taht's what someone like llorean or someone told me
21:25:21LloreanWasn't me.
21:25:22dionoeabluebrother: hum ... works fine in the VLC open dir dialog :/
21:25:33bluebrotherdionoea: does that dialog open a file or folder?
21:25:48hachiI came in here, my ipod wouldn't run rockbox because the filesystem wouldn't get recognized
21:25:49dionoeasince it's the "open dir(ectory)" dialog
21:25:56senabmkfs.vfat -F 32 -S 2048
21:25:58hachieventually they were like "are you running ipodlinux"
21:26:09hachiand suddenly they pointed me to a different set of instructions that
21:26:12bluebrothertry to open a folder by double-clicking it. The folder name gets put into the edit line and the dialog switches to that folder
21:26:15hachido not tell me to use mkfs.vfat
21:26:41bluebrotherand then clicking ok throws an error because the folder in the input line does not exist ...
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21:26:50hachiMTOOLS would be the right answer I was looking for here
21:27:06hachibefore you guys go off telling people to use mkfs.vfat you may want to talk to whoever told me to use mtools
21:27:12bluebrotherbut maybe I just didn't found out how to configure the dialog properly?
21:27:18Domonoky_hachi: if dont want help, why do you ask ? ..
21:27:22dionoeaI'll give it a try.
21:27:42hachiI wanted help, but you weren't answering my question, you were answering how to format my disk
21:28:29amiconn_mCrazy - irc from my mobile phone
21:28:49bluebrotheralso, IMO a tree is less confusing to select a folder. But that might just be a matter of taste ...
21:28:56senabamiconn: what mobile you got?
21:29:04dionoeayeah, tree might be better.
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21:29:12amiconnSamsung X820
21:29:17bluebrotheramiconn: so now you're "amicomm"? ;-)
21:29:27hachiit was GodEater
21:29:49bluebrotherbut that widget is also used for selectin binaries which is suboptimal imo. For example to select the tts binary.
21:29:56senabamconn: symbian?
21:30:02bluebrotherbut I haven't bothered enough to change it ;)
21:30:13Domonoky_amiconn: now port the rockbox sim to it :-)
21:30:44amiconnI would need to port rockbox to java
21:30:48amiconn(midp 2.0)
21:30:54[Rane]Oo, enjoy.
21:30:58bluebrotherisn't java ... urgh at all?
21:31:09amiconnBut the display resolution would fit nicely (220x176)
21:31:37[Rane]Java has a few non-urghish qualities here and there.
21:32:07amiconnOtoh, rockbox would not really make sense on that thing
21:32:23senabi thought the X820 was a smartphone
21:32:26senabmaybe not
21:32:36amiconn80MB flash
21:32:55amiconnNo it's not.
21:32:57[Rane]Hey, you could get...10 songs on that.
21:33:01*amiconn doesn't want a smartphone
21:33:41senabi love my smartphone, its a sat nav too lol
21:34:50senabdoes anyone know how to stop the Sansa's OF refreshing the database EVERY time it's loaded?
21:36:44amiconnIiuc you need to use a version of the OF for which the rockbox bootloader knows how to set the "no refresh" bit
21:36:45*Domonoky_ thinks there was a patch to stop it, but it didnt work with all of versions..
21:36:48Lloreansenab: Use on of the versions of the OF where refresh disable works.
21:37:00amiconn...or figure out how to do that with the version you use
21:37:12LloreanI think though that having a MicroSD card in *may* cause a refresh no matter what.
21:37:40[Rane]Hmm. I just skimmed Flyspray and the site quickly and I don't see this - has there been any consideration adding the alphabet scrolling to the iPod version?
21:38:06senabi'm not using a SD card yet, is there a list of firmware's that the bootloader know's this bit?
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21:38:28Llorean[Rane]: 1) Why is it a feature only relevant to the iPod version and 2) What do you mean by alphabet scrolling?
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21:39:13Lloreansenab: I think you'd just need to look in the changelog, unfortuntely.
21:39:38[Rane]Hah, you know it wouldn't have to be relevant strictly to the iPod at all, good point. On Apple's OS if you scroll very quickly through your list it switches to letters of the alphabet, and if you stop on one and it starts at the first item of that letter. Sped things up on a long list.
21:39:55[Rane]er, if you stop on one it starts.
21:40:38[Rane]It also wouldn't snap out of that mode until you took your finger completely off the wheel, allowing for the proper fine tuning so you didn't jump however many files to the next letter by mistake.
21:42:00*Domonoky_ thinks this sounds like a nice feature.. but thats not easy and amount of work.. :-)
21:43:38dionoeabluebrother: would this be ok: dionoea/rbutil.1.patch"> ?
21:43:38[Rane]I honestly didn't realize how much I relied on it until loading a bunch of music back onto my iPod after installing Rockbox.
21:44:45Llorean[Rane]: Well, as an alternative you can have your music properly sorted into folder, and your tagnavi have good separation.
21:45:12[Rane]Perhaps I'll waste some time and get really frustrated and tinker with that feature in the code. :)
21:45:23[Rane]er, while tinkering, I should say.
21:45:30Domonoky_dionoea: your patch misses the changed filter for windows, i think..
21:45:47senabjust check main-pp.c, the bootloader can disable the refresh thing on 11D, 12A & 12D. I'm on 18E lol
21:45:48dionoeaAh, right.
21:46:22dionoeaIf it's ok i'll change all the other browser dialogs
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21:46:34dionoeabut i'll wait for confirmation first :)
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21:46:43Domonoky_but what does bluebrother think..?
21:48:11dionoeaIt's just that i find it weird to re-code something that is already available in the framework
21:49:34senabi like the "scan through song" feature on the Sansa OF
21:50:04senabthat maybe my next project
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21:52:00linuxstbsenab: What is "scan through song" ?
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21:52:25LloreanI'm guessing seeking as it's done on iPods, where you enter seek mode, rotate the wheel to pick a position, then exit seek mode.
21:52:41[Rane]That was my thought as well.
21:52:58senabyep similar
21:53:15senabit works nicer with the physical wheel though
21:53:18[Rane]And someone wrote a patch - for iPods - but I would think it could be applied to other models with a little modification.
21:53:53Domonoky_dionoea: is it possible to enable alternating Row colors in the Filedialog ?
21:54:00senabit'd work well if you held select, then rotated the wheel
21:55:02linuxstbI don't think that would work on ipods
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21:55:04dionoeaDomonoky_: maybe. I'll try without using the getExistingDirectory function which doesn't allow much configuration.
21:55:29bluebrotherdionoea: it shows the same issue I wanted to avoid.
21:55:31amiconnsenab: The 1st gen ipod does have a mechanical wheel
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21:55:55dionoeahum ... then i must have missunderstood what that issue was
21:56:19dionoeaI'll leave it as it was then :)
21:56:22senabholding select on the ipod's brings up the context menu iirc
21:56:52senabi cant find that iPod patch anyway
21:56:54bluebrotherdionoea: see this screenshot:
21:56:55linuxstbsenab: Yes, there are no free buttons in the WPS on an ipod...
21:56:59*Llorean feels quite strongly that holding select should be the context menu on Sansas too. =/
21:57:05[Rane]I'll get it, I was just looking at it.
21:57:20senabllorean: what would the playlist button do?
21:57:44Lloreansenab: It'd be the "Menu" button, so that Power could be Stop similar to how it is on other targets.
21:57:50dionoeabluebrother: hum ... how did you get that ?
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21:58:04senabllorean: FS #7232?
21:58:12LloreanIs that the one I opened?
21:58:15LloreanIf so, yes.
21:58:16bluebrothergo to /. Then enter /media by double clicking it, the same for "IPODMINI"
21:58:24bluebrothernow press "Choose". Bang.
21:58:33dionoeahum ... that works fine here :(
21:58:46dionoeawell nevermind, i'll leave it as it is
21:58:59bluebrotheraverage (windows) users are quite double-click fixated, so they would expect it to work ...
21:59:03Lloreansenab: "Seek" could be an option, say the last one in the WPS context menu, for easy access on any target.
21:59:18bluebrotherwhat version of Qt do you have? Maybe it's an error that got fixed. I'm using 4.3.0
21:59:31dionoeabluebrother: debian's Qt 4.3
21:59:35dionoea(debian sid)
21:59:48bluebrotherhmm. Strange.
22:00:07senabllorean: i like your button mappings idea
22:00:30Lloreansenab: In my opinion it's pretty much as easy to use, and at the same time makes it "familiar" across targets.
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22:01:44senabLlorean: i think you're right. i'll have a look over the weekend
22:02:34senabi'd have to come back into the WPS disabling the volume control
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22:03:06bluebrotherdionoea: ok, looks like this is a problem with my Qt version. Just checked against my self-build static binary and it works as expected.
22:03:31dionoeaThe tree view still looks better in fact :)
22:03:40Lloreansenab: The way I see it, you choose "Seek" from the menu, it takes you to the wps, you rotate to the desired position, and then hit "Select" again to start playback there, and go back to "Wheel is Volume" mode.
22:04:13bluebrotherI wouldn't have bothered creating the list view if I hadn't experienced that bug ;)
22:04:20senabllorean: thats what i was thinking
22:04:21Lloreansenab: On non-wheel players, in that seek mode it can be a much faster, less precise seek since it doesn't actually *seek* until you hit Select, so you aren't running back and forth in the file trying to land at the time you want.
22:04:37LloreanIt could essentially be a double-speed seek or something
22:05:01Euro4Everhey guys got one question if u dont mind: when appling a patch, and when it's said this patch depends on patch fsxxx fsxx etc,do we need to apply those others patches ?
22:05:02[Rane]I like that idea, it's technically how the iPod the button x amount of times to enter seek/scrub mode, move it to where you want it, click and you're done.
22:05:43LloreanEuro4Ever: Yes, if it says it depends on other patches, you need to install those patches first, usually
22:05:49bluebrotherEuro4Ever: well, if it says it depends then there is a depencency. So ... would you expect that the patch it depends on being applied first?
22:06:45Euro4Everbluebrother: ok.... just asking to be sure :(
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22:07:12bluebrotherdependencies can be tricky sometimes
22:07:54Euro4Everyes, don't know how you can understand all that stuff ... wanna contribute in this project and the more i learn, the less i get :(
22:08:27bluebrotherit's always hard in the beginning −− no worries.
22:08:55Euro4Everbluebrother: particularly when you use windows ;)
22:10:17Euro4Everfortunately, there're guys like you who are making a nice firmware for us damn newbies lol :)
22:10:49Domonoky_dont lol.. donate.. *hehe* :-)
22:11:01bluebrotheror learn ;-)
22:11:18bluebrotherit's never too late to start
22:11:42Euro4Everit's a bit more difficult when you use a scrreen reader.
22:11:44amiconnLlorean: Rockbox seek isn't live, on all target. It only jumps to the desired position if you release the button
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22:11:58bluebrotherindeed −− so you're a blind user?
22:12:06Lloreanamiconn: Yes, but if you overseek, and need to seek back...
22:12:20amiconnAnd it accelerates if you're holding the button - in selectable intervals
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22:13:05bluebrotherddalton is also blind and around quite frequently. Might be interesting for you
22:13:38dionoeabluebrother: how should translatable strings be inserted in the rbutil code ? Some _("") type macor ?
22:13:38Euro4Everbluebrotheryes I know him. nice guy and clever :)
22:13:50bluebrotherdionoea: it's tr() in Qt
22:13:52Domonoky_it would be nice if some blind users would try rbutil, and comment on the usability for them... :-)
22:13:56dionoeaok, thanks.
22:14:08bluebrotherDomonoky_: just thought about that too.
22:14:13senabwhat file is the context menu code in?
22:14:27senabi've found every menu but...
22:14:47*bluebrother considers committing usb detection for linux
22:14:48amiconnLlorean: Seek could perhaps be made sticky (optionally?)
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22:15:07*amiconn virtually never uses seek so can't really commenton seek usability
22:15:18Lloreanamiconn: Sticky as in "doesn't actually stick until a button is pressed"?
22:15:35LloreanEr, doesn't commit, rather.
22:15:36Domonoky_bluebrother: detection via pids ?
22:15:37[Rane]Yah, that's how Apple does it. Works well IMHO
22:15:41bluebrotherDomonoky_: yes.
22:15:47amiconnSticky as in "Rev/Ffw button starts seek, but release doesn't trigger it"
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22:16:10Lloreanamiconn: That could also work with wheel-seeking. Initiate with Rev/FF, release and rotate the wheel instead for that sort of seeking.
22:16:22Domonoky_i think you could commit it for linux, we can always add windows code... but keep the other detection routines..
22:16:22bluebrotherI detect the PID if it's unique and use the other methods for detection only to get the mount point if it was successful.
22:16:22LloreanBut yes, sticky seeking as an option would be nice for me in long audiobooks.
22:16:40[Rane]Llorean: agreed
22:16:50amiconnLlorean: Why don't you just use bookmarks for audiobooks
22:16:56senabllorean: "Initiate with Rev/FF, release and rotate the wheel instead for that sort of seeking." i'm not too fond of that idea
22:17:31amiconnsenab: Why not? Easier to get to than a context menu item...
22:17:32Domonoky_bluebrother: maybe we should make some code to have a flexible fallback chain of detection functions..
22:17:34Lloreanamiconn: Sometimes I'll fall asleep to one, or otherwise lose my position.
22:17:49Lloreansenab: For people used to our current method of seeking, you hold FF/RW to seek.
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22:18:11Lloreansenab: For people who like the Apple method, turn on the feature. Hold FF until it enters "Seek" mode, then release, rotate the wheel to position desired, and press select.
22:18:12amiconnIf that happens, I'd delete that audio book as it's obviously not very interesting ;)
22:18:36Euro4Everjust my opinion it could be cool if bookmarks could be more precise (saying filenames or foldernames. it could be great for blind guys or every one
22:19:06Euro4Everdunno what is involved technically though
22:19:08[Rane]Yeah, I mean...sometimes it's not a matter of "why not do X instead," if it's not required (ala feature setting) I think it'd make sense.
22:20:58bluebrotherDomonoky_: that was my idea too.
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22:22:40senabllorean: doesn't sound too bad actually
22:22:56bluebrothersomeone with an x5v around?
22:23:35Lloreansenab: I think it'd be quicker than going to the context menu every time, as I think people who like the apple seek, or sticky seek, will use it all the time anyway
22:24:07einhirnSeems like I somehow found some kind of Replaygain Tag type that rockbox can't read...
22:24:17senabmakes sense
22:24:28senabeinhirn: ones in the lame header?
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22:25:43[Rane]It *is* a context menu on the iPod, but triggered with a quick click of the select button, so your menu option and then trigger method work out to be the same action...I'd use it, most definitely.
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22:26:28senabrane: but you'd only set it once, it could even be in playback settings
22:26:29einhirnhmm - I just looked into one of the files with vim - yes, there is a string "LAME3.92" appearing, then "APETAGEX" then MP3GAIN_MINMAX, MP3GAIN_UNDO, REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN, REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_PEAK
22:26:57*Domonoky_ is happy to see another coder working on rbutil.. he should add himself to the credits of rbutil... :-)
22:26:57senabeihirn: that sounds like it's in the lame header
22:27:22bluebrothera mac coder would be great.
22:27:31dionoeaDomonoky_: it's not like any of the changes i commited really matter
22:27:40einhirnCould be - I "replaygain'ized" some of my MP3s with "mp3gain" and the others with foobar.
22:27:52*Domonoky_ just hopes that your future changes matter .. *hehe*
22:27:53ender`einhirn: that's apev2 tag
22:27:53[Rane]senab: right, that's what I meant...I just couldn't phrase it right. Any way you slice it it's a quick click in playback and you can skim all over the place.
22:28:02amiconneinhirn: That looks like APE tags
22:28:16dionoeaIs auto detection of the archos recorder supposed to work ? (there's no recorder v1 6 GB in the player list btw)
22:28:16amiconnRockbox only supports replaygain info in ID3v2 tags
22:28:42ender`amiconn: not if you use the apev2 patch
22:28:49senabeinhirn: use Mp3Tag to convert them to ID3v2
22:28:58[Rane]Hang on, I'm a Mac coder...what was that in reference to? Wellllllll...I code *on* a Mac, not necessarily in the I might be irrelevant to the "great."
22:29:11amiconnNot suporting APE tags in rockbox is on purpose
22:29:33einhirnAPE not compatible to GPL?
22:29:35Domonoky_dionoea: isnt that just a archos recoder ?
22:29:47dionoeawell it mentions archos recorder 10 / 20
22:29:51senabdoesn't MPC use APE?
22:29:56dionoeashould i change that to 6 / 10 / 20 ?
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22:30:13Lloreansenab: He means in MP3.
22:30:15Bagderthere's a recorder 15 too, wasn't it?
22:30:18ender`amiconn: why? the patch to add support seems pretty simple
22:30:21senabahhhh, my bad
22:30:26dionoea+ Is that supposed to work if i don't have a rockbox-info.txt file on the player ?
22:30:39dionoeaBagder: I don't remember
22:30:44Domonoky_autodetection works for this device only if you already have rockbox installed with rbutil... not before.. as detection with usb pids isnt in place jet..
22:30:52dionoeaah ok
22:30:57amiconnender`: It's a philosophical thing. Each audio format has its tagging standard(s)
22:30:59dionoeaWhat's missing for usb auto detection ?
22:31:05amiconnmp3 uses ID3 (v1 or v2)
22:31:16bluebrotherthe archos players have loads of PID clashes :(
22:31:28Domonoky_dionoea: windows code to iterate the ids ...
22:31:30amiconnAPE tags are for APE files, not for mp3 files
22:31:31scorcheBagder: yes
22:31:34senabAPE can be used on most formats though
22:31:35bluebrotherdionoea: detection works on linux for the players without clashes.
22:31:41dionoeaah ok
22:31:52bluebrotherthere is no good way to figure the mount point from the usb pid though.
22:31:54Domonoky_but for the archos there is a way with files on the harddrive..
22:31:59amiconnsenab: *can* be used - perhaps. Should be used - no
22:32:07bluebrotherand I'm having a hard time getting detection to work on windows without using libusb
22:32:27bluebrothersee DeviceDetection wiki page.
22:32:50senabamiconn: im not saying it should, but at least there's only one revision on APEv2, unlike ID3v2
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22:33:31ender`and apev2 doesn't contain stuff like "bright coloured fish" in docs :)
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22:33:39einhirnamiconn: so I'll go on and find the programmer who is responsible for putting apev2 tags in my mp3 files and hit him with a cluebyfour?
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22:33:58Domonoky_einhirn: thats a good way.. :-)
22:34:06bluebrothereinhirn: iirc old versions of foobar put apev2 tags to mp3 files
22:34:07senaband there's quite a few formats using APEv2 tags now: WavPack, MPC, Optimfrog, TAK
22:34:18bluebrotherand the command line mp3gain does too.
22:34:29Lloreansenab: And for the formats where ApeV2 is considered "native" we support it.
22:34:45senabbluebrother: only for the undo tag afaik
22:34:53einhirnbluebrother: And thats the one getting hit by a cluebyfour ;)
22:35:00pixelmaand with a decent tag editor it's simple to remove the wrong tags
22:35:27bluebrothersenab: yes, but it's ape ...
22:35:30Lloreanmp3gain is a somewhat miserable program anyway, isn't it? The default method used to be to alter the MP3 and write undo tags, rather than writing the tags, wasn't it?
22:35:50LloreanSo you had no album/track mode choice, or ability to turn it off..
22:35:52einhirnpixelma: Problem occurs on bigger mp3 collections that are only synced by file date ;)
22:36:48senabllorean: thats a good thing when you're player doesn't support RG
22:37:22Lloreansenab: Yep, but as a default method of operation somewhat contrary to the "replaygain" definition.
22:37:27einhirnpixelma: So I would need to remove the tags on both copies of the collection...
22:37:33LloreanAnd enough people seem to think MP3 gain simply *is* replaygain for that to be problematic.
22:38:36einhirnpixelma: and then resynchronize both copies again - a rather big hassle, especially when other Player software just works ;)
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22:39:09Lloreaneinhirn: You have software on a DAP that supports APEv2 replaygain tags?
22:39:26senabllorean: the trouble is there are very few RG scanners
22:40:03senabMy next uni project was going to be implement a linux RG scanner
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22:40:34Domonoky_implement it multiplatform as a plugin for rbutil.. *hehe* :-)
22:40:37*bluebrother committed linux usb pid detection
22:40:38einhirnLlorean: no, but ender`seems to have a patch ;)
22:40:43Euro4Everwhen we edit a diff or a patch file, do we edit it with a text editor and save or do we save it in a special way so it would be usable by the patch tool ?
22:40:58pixelmaeinhirn: what's your replaygain patch doing, anyway? ;)
22:40:59senabDomonoky: thats an idea actually ;)
22:41:01bluebrotherEuro4Ever: no. Diffs are just plain text files.
22:41:07einhirnpixelma: works
22:41:10dionoeahum ... there are no themes for archos recoder models ?
22:41:19bluebrotheryou should of course use an editor that doesn't change line endings
22:41:19dionoea(which means that i can't test the theme installation)
22:41:29einhirnpixelma: and is submitted as patch #7747
22:41:38pixelmaaha, nice
22:42:10pixelma(though I don't even have replaygain tagged files, as far as I know)
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22:43:30einhirnpixelma: There still are two open points - amiconns remark about the timing of the gain change on track change and the "NoClip"-Feature that effectively is useless on Archos Recorder.
22:44:02einhirnI could remove the "noclip" setting completely... but wasn't sure about it.
22:44:37pixelmawasn't that the one that needed a change in english.lang?
22:45:46einhirnyes - that was before I coded the logic that applies the gain. And I only found out that "noclip" is useless on a platform that can only attenuate when I programmed that ;)
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22:46:16senabllorean: thinking about the sticky seek thing, i think the hardest thing would manipulating the progress bar
22:47:01Lloreansenab: Just look at how the normal seek does it. I'm making a wild guess here, but I'm assuming the normal seek does *something* on BUTTON_REL, and instead it just needs to do it on "Select" being pressed.
22:47:48senabbut how would the user know where they'd seek too? you'd need to update the progress bar while the wheel scrolls
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22:49:06Lloreansenab: Normal seek already updates the progress bar though, the seek doesn't happen until you release the button, but the progress bar position lets you know where you'll be.
22:50:06senabllorean: ahhhh, i get what you mean. should be easier than i thought then
22:50:41LloreanI'd implement the "sticky" part first. Just get it working with the normal FF/RW buttons, and select to "commit" the actual seek. Then work on adding fancy controls in. ;)
22:50:45LloreanBut that's just how I'd go about things
22:53:54dionoeaAre the theme screenshots downloaded everytime the selection changes in rbutil ? (like if i select one, change and come back it'll download it again)
22:54:18bluebrotherdionoea: yes, unless you enable the cache in the configuration
22:55:03dionoeacouldn't they be cached in a temp directory and deleted when rbutil is closed when "cross session cache" (or whatever it's called) is disabled ?
22:55:27bluebrotherthey could ...
22:55:40dionoeaAh, i'll do that then :)
22:55:44bluebrothershouldn't even be too hard to implement.
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22:56:40dionoeais httpget.cpp the place to edit ?
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22:57:33dionoeaah no ... looks like it's setCacheDir calls that need to be added
22:57:41bluebrotherno −− check installthemes.cpp for setCache()
22:58:16dionoeafound it. Thanks.
22:58:26bluebrotheryou're welcome :)
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23:04:02dionoeabluebrother: is there already a file to store helper functions (like a utils.cpp) ? (else i'll just add one)
23:04:11Zagorif you haven't heard: SCO has now filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy
23:04:56bluebrotherdionoea: no.
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23:05:28bluebrotherwhat does chapter 11 mean?
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23:08:22MStublefieldHey all, just a quick question. About to head home from work and I just read a comment about Rockbox on Slashdot. Was curious if it is capable of syncing video to the iPod 5th generation video (30 gb) devices.
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23:08:48bluebrotherRockbox is a firmware, not a syncing application
23:09:08MStublefieldOh... hadn't quite registered that.
23:09:37peturdid we make /. again?
23:09:49MStublefieldIn that case, I modify my question: Does anyone have experience with the firmware handling video, and if it does, what do you recommend for syncing?
23:09:57Bagderpetur: there was some comments posted about us the other day
23:10:03MStublefieldNot exactly, but there's a story about Apple releasing a firmware upgrade that locks out 3rd party synchronization apps.
23:10:31bluebrotherMStublefield: Rockbox is a replacement firmware. We don't care much about apple's database and syncing stuff.
23:10:47bluebrotherso you most likely won't get an answer here ...
23:10:56bluebrother(at least not for apple-specific questions)
23:11:02MStublefieldRight, right, but surely if you have an mp3 device for playing audio, you're using something to put that audio on the device...
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23:11:25LloreanMStublefield: Rockbox doesn't need special software
23:11:26scorchewith rockbox, you cna put the files on anyway you wish (including drag and drop)
23:11:26saratogaMStublefeld: yes, but what you use isn't a part of rockbox
23:11:26MStublefieldSo I was just curious what application people here recommended for that. I've tried Amarok and wasn't thrilled. Same for gtkpod.
23:11:28BagderMStublefield: rsync, copy and paste, drag and drop...
23:11:40saratogamight want to look up what rockbox is
23:11:41MStublefieldScorche: Ah, fantastic. That's what I needed to know :-)
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23:11:47bluebrotherRockbox doesn't require you to use some sync application. A lot use simply windows explorer and similar
23:11:51*Llorean has made do with "Explorer", "Nautilus", "cmd.exe" and myriad others
23:11:57MStublefieldCool, cool. Thanks.
23:12:03scorcheMStublefield: but, this is for rockbox....this isnt going to make things work with the OF
23:12:06bluebrothercp and rsync are also nice tools ;)
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23:12:15MStublefieldScorche: "OF?"
23:12:20scorcheoriginal firmware
23:12:21bluebrotherOriginal Firmware
23:12:24MStublefieldYeah yeah, that's fine.
23:12:42bluebrotherRockbox can play videos, but only mpeg2 and it's rather limited to the Ipod video
23:12:53bluebrotheras we can't use the video processor that Ipod contains.
23:13:19LloreanThere's a patch in the tracker, I think, that gets another 0.8 fps out of it fullscreen, I hear.
23:13:23MStublefieldJust wanted to make sure it can play video. Drag and drop is perfectly acceptable. I'd read the firmware part, but wanted to see if anyone had experience with it playing video. Some other programs claim they can do something, but don't always deliver.
23:13:54saratogayou should just use the apple firmware for video
23:13:57bluebrothervideo playback is somewhat experimental −− it's no priority here. But it works
23:13:58MStublefieldAnd just the fact that Rockbox = firmware hadn't communicated to me that a synchronization program wasn't needed. I actually prefer not to need another program.
23:14:14bluebrothermost likely you will dislike it compared to apples.
23:14:20*MStublefield shrugs.
23:14:27MStublefieldiTunes doesn't run on Linux, so I don't have much of a choice.
23:14:42MStublefieldOpenSUSE at work and Ubuntu at home.
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23:15:17LloreanMStublefield: As a point of reference, on the iPod Video you can expect less than 10fps fullscreen video in Rockbox.
23:15:33LloreanThey devices are slow, the screens are big, and we can't use the Broadcom chip that the Apple firmware uses.
23:16:00MStublefieldThat is a bit of a hit... but I purchased the device for watching telecourses for class, so they're not super-detailed anyways.
23:16:02Bagder"so popular Linux iPod management tools like gtkpod and Rockbox will not work"
23:16:09Bagderfrom the article linked to from slashdot
23:16:10Zagorhehe, we're really selling rockbox hard :)
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23:16:31Bagdermanagement tool
23:16:36LloreanZagor: Hey, if someone buys an iPod Nano, or a Sansa or a Gigabeat, they'll get rather nice video. :)
23:16:45MStublefieldFor future reference, is there a better mp3/portable-video-device you might recommend when I look to get a new one someday?
23:16:49scorcheBagder: well, at least it has already been clarified int he comments
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23:17:02LloreanMStublefield: Gigabeat F-series (F10/15/20/40/60)
23:17:15bluebrother might be interesting
23:17:28oboscorche: I tried to as well as I could :)
23:17:41MStublefieldAh, cool. Thanks bluebrother.
23:17:49scorcheso *thats* where obo comes from =)
23:17:52einhirnre my yammering about the way the next,prev,etc-Links appear in the HTML documentation: I have found something promising - only my environment to build the manual doesn't work somehow...
23:17:54bluebrotherapple cut off Rockbox with the nano2G quite a while ago ...
23:18:33bluebrothereinhirn: if you have a patch around I can try it out
23:18:35oboscorche: yup - it was around the time of the whole real names thing... ;)
23:18:38einhirn says that "sequential prev-next links within the hierarchy, instead of the default hierarchical ones, can be requested with the \lquote next\rquote parameter."
23:18:47pixelmaeinhirn: what system are you running?
23:18:51scorcheobo: as i dont wish to register, can you ask in there that he edit the blog itself to prevent future confusion?
23:18:56einhirnbluebrother: Windows/Cygwin
23:19:06einhirnerr - make that
23:19:14oboscorche: sure
23:19:17einhirnpixelma: Windows/Cywin
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23:19:33Bagder is the /. post btw
23:19:57MStublefieldWelp, I'll give this a go when I get home.
23:20:02MStublefieldHopefully it doesn't brick my iPod...
23:20:05pixelmaeinhirn: until now, I couldn't get the tex4ht package running for building the html manual :\ pdf version works fine
23:20:06einhirnbluebrother: I'm pretty sure that the "next"-parameter belongs into the "Makefile.pdflatex" in /manual
23:20:17pixelmain cygwin that is
23:20:42einhirnpixelma: yup
23:21:26einhirnpixelma: normally I wouldn't care, but now that I said that there was room for improvement I'd like to try it out - anyway...
23:21:55MStublefieldLast question. When I throw Rockbox on the iPod, does that wipe it completely and I have to put everything back on there?
23:22:06LloreanMStublefield: Nope.
23:22:11scorchenot unless you format the device
23:22:17MStublefieldFantastic. Thanks for answering my questions.
23:22:29peturif you want to add a binary file to svn (like a screenshot), do you need to do anything more than just svn add? It gets detected as binary automatically I think?
23:22:30LloreanMStublefield: We even have a very handy manual to help you get acquainted and take you through the install and use, etc.
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23:22:36*MStublefield nods.
23:22:43MStublefieldI'll start reading once I get home. Don't have the cable here.
23:22:49MStublefieldHave a good day, and thanks again.
23:23:08einhirnbluebrother: like change "$(HTLATEX) $(DOCUMENT) "$(HTOPTS1),2" $(HTOPTS2) $(HTOPTS3);" to "$(HTLATEX) $(DOCUMENT) "$(HTOPTS1),2,next" $(HTOPTS2) $(HTOPTS3);"
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23:23:35bluebrotherpetur: I had cases where svn didn't detect the file as binary. You need to set svn:mime-type in that case (to octet/stream)
23:23:44pixelmayou would need to install the tex4ht package manually, there is no pre-made one you could install with the setup.exe. The installation instructions for this package include changing some paths, I couldn't figure out what the correct paths would be under cygwin
23:23:44einhirnbluebrother: at least thats what I would have tried...
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23:24:42pixelmapetur: if it is a screenshot I'd rather take image/png (provided it is a png)
23:25:01pixelmaas svn:mime-type
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23:25:18bluebrotheryou can use almost everything that is different to plain/text and it will be treated as binary.
23:25:25*petur tries
23:26:19dionoeabluebrother: shouldn't line 58 in httpget.cpp be m_usecache = result; ? (ie use cache if the dir exists or if it was created succesfuly)
23:26:36einhirnender`: where do I find the apev2-patch that you mentioned?
23:26:46ender`in the bugtracker
23:26:51ender`which player do you have?
23:27:03nsfxis there a shortcut to force close rockbox? it's stuck on the "shuffling " dialog
23:27:15Euro4Everwhent appling a patch and its dependencies , do we need to apply them one by one or is there a faster methode? i'm using cygwin
23:28:22bluebrotherdionoea: from a quick look it looks like, but I'm wondering why it worked ...
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23:28:40dionoeait works if you add a call to setCache(true) right afterwards
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23:29:37bluebrotherdid I call that? IIRC I didn't
23:30:04dionoeayeah, you didn't.
23:30:12dionoea(At least not in installthemes.cpp)
23:30:17bluebrotherbut I had caching working ... /me is puzzled.
23:30:35einhirnender`: I have an archos recorder v1
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23:33:21bluebrotherdionoea: hmm −− seems I did something really overcompilcated there. Not inverting result breaks the caching.
23:33:42dionoeainverting it doesn't enable it though
23:34:00bluebrotherhave you enabled the cache in the configuration dialog? It's disabled as default
23:34:27einhirnender`: looks like the patch isn't for me then?
23:34:29dionoeano, i just want to have a cache for the theme info stuff which will be deleted when the theme dialog is closed
23:34:51bluebrotherwell, you just need to set a valid path for caching.
23:35:00dionoeayep, + setCache(true)
23:35:02dionoeaelse it doesn't work
23:35:10ender`hm, i don't know why it wouldn't work for you. anyway, if you had an iriver, i could compile patched rockbox for you
23:35:26bluebrotherhmm. And why is the cache working even if I never called setCache(true)?=
23:35:36*bluebrother did something really strange there
23:35:39dionoeaI honestly don't have a clue :)
23:36:10bluebrotherwell, from what I intended it should work if you set setCache to some valid path.
23:36:22bluebrotherwithout the explicit need to setCache(true)
23:36:28einhirnender`: I have a build environment ;) And I at a first glance at the code it seems like that patch works on things that aren't used on the Archos platform...
23:37:53*petur is getting fed up with his svn problems :/
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23:39:36dionoeabluebrother: it logs "[HTTP] cache DISABLED" if i only call igetter.setCache("some path");
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23:43:11Domonoky_cache works for me... without an extra call to setCache(true)..
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23:45:24Domonoky_and it seems to work because it fails to create the rbutil-cache dir.. :-) and just uses the dir above..
23:45:50bluebrotherit looks ok here, but not for the first request.
23:45:55Domonoky_then mkdir returns false, and as the result is negated, chaing is enablend :-)
23:45:57dionoeaah, that's why it was poluting my /tmp
23:46:02dionoeaI'll fix that
23:46:35bluebrotheralso me sloppily leaving out some braces was a bad idea in setCache
23:49:39Euro4Everwhen the patch tool asks "file to patch and the file to patch is one dir up, please what the exact syntaxe?
23:50:23bluebrotherpatches should usually get created so you can apply them with "patch -p0 < filename.patch" from the source root
23:50:44dionoeahow do you toggle the debug output for rbutilqt ?
23:50:59dionoea(looks like i disabled it somehow and i can't find how to enable it again)
23:51:00bluebrotherrun qmake with the option -config dbg
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23:54:07Euro4Everif a hunk is rejected, does it mean the patch won't work ?
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23:54:42Euro4Everdamn ! patching is not for me
23:54:51bluebrotheryou need to manually re-sync the patch by checking the differences.
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23:56:56einhirnbluebrother: the "next" commandline option to htlatex does something, but not what I wanted it to do ;)
23:57:24Euro4Everarff... too hard.... I give up :(
23:57:42bluebrothereinhirn: too bad
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23:58:42pixelmaeinhirn: did you get tex4ht running in cygwin or did you find it out another way?

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