| 00:00:12 | jhMikeS | what happened? |
| 00:00:35 | n1s | if I have one playing music and start another one the first will segfault when the second starts playing |
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| 00:01:05 | jhMikeS | something with shared libs? |
| 00:01:38 | aridkillzone | OOh, I have 1 more question for anyone who can help me: I need a good video file converter. I have Transformers and 300 to put on my 80 gig ipod but they are video clips. I need them converted to either mp4 or mov. can anyone give me a link to a freeware converter?? |
| 00:02:05 | aridkillzone | iTunes wont convert from video clips to iPod format |
| 00:02:10 | aridkillzone | :-/ |
| 00:02:12 | amiconn | n1s: Not on windows... but only the sim which has focus actually outputs audio there |
| 00:02:23 | amiconn | The other continues running, but silent |
| 00:02:54 | n1s | jhMikeS: hmm, it is on access to the ci api pointer so it is probably the same weird bug that causes it to crash on track change |
| 00:03:06 | amiconn | If neither one has focus, the one which last had focus continues. It's probably an SDL thing |
| 00:03:59 | jhMikeS | yes, I segfault using VMWare too |
| 00:04:31 | jhMikeS | actually it's "Illegal Instruction" :\ |
| 00:04:59 | ^JimmyRidge^ | dang |
| 00:05:00 | hcs | Legalize Instructions! |
| 00:05:07 | ^JimmyRidge^ | having probs installing to my nano 4GB ipod |
| 00:05:28 | jhMikeS | the one I switched to kept going. the one already playing faulted. |
| 00:06:23 | amiconn | Here it's the other way round |
| 00:06:28 | amiconn | (on linux) |
| 00:08:33 | preglow | jhMikeS: same here, amd64 linux |
| 00:08:45 | preglow | crashed the moment the other one started playback |
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| 00:09:25 | amiconn | It's probably an SDL thing then as well |
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| 00:09:40 | amiconn | What sdl audio driver are you using? |
| 00:09:47 | preglow | me? no idea, default |
| 00:09:58 | preglow | probably alsa, i don't even have oss support installed |
| 00:10:02 | jhMikeS | preglow: old one bit it? |
| 00:10:09 | preglow | jhMikeS: aye |
| 00:10:15 | amiconn | I'm using libsdl1.2debian-oss |
| 00:10:25 | preglow | amiconn: how do i find out? |
| 00:10:28 | amiconn | All others don't work for me, they just crash... |
| 00:11:00 | ddalton | ok how do I create .talk files in linux? |
| 00:11:02 | amiconn | On debian there are several packages for sdl audio output, of which only one can be installed |
| 00:11:09 | preglow | really |
| 00:11:26 | * | amiconn just checked in synaptic |
| 00:12:08 | preglow | libsdl1.2debian-alsa is th eonly installed one here |
| 00:12:11 | amiconn | There's also an -all package. Dunno what that will select when it's installed |
| 00:12:20 | Bagder | dpkg -l | grep sdl |
| 00:12:23 | Bagder | ;-) |
| 00:12:36 | jhMikeS | ddalton: isn't there wiki info on that? I don't know personally. |
| 00:12:47 | amiconn | The funny thing is that the -alsa version crashes here even though the soundcard is handled by alsa... |
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| 00:13:14 | lastebil | oh my. well. hmm. I suppose I should have expected that adding the entire HVSC would add all the authors and tunes to the database (: |
| 00:13:24 | amiconn | Or not so funny.... weird linux stuff :/ |
| 00:13:26 | preglow | opinions please: i have a patch to remove the id3 tag priority patch, anyone for? rationale: id3v2 is at the start of the file and is the better tag format, no reason to look for id3v1 first |
| 00:13:41 | preglow | rephrase that to make sense, i'm tired :/ |
| 00:13:55 | jhMikeS | preglow: you have a patch that remove a patch > |
| 00:14:08 | amiconn | anti-patch |
| 00:14:08 | preglow | amiconn: debian is weird... |
| 00:14:18 | preglow | i've never had problems with alsa |
| 00:14:40 | Bagder | well, sound is slightly weird in linux I have to say |
| 00:14:42 | amiconn | Is it? The other distros I've seen (not so many) were even more weird |
| 00:14:50 | jhMikeS | I always use id3 v2 no matter unless some program won't take it so...good riddance. |
| 00:15:05 | preglow | Bagder: agreed |
| 00:15:07 | preglow | sound in linux sucks rod |
| 00:15:27 | preglow | alsa isn't all bad, really |
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| 00:15:34 | preglow | but devs just can't seem to agree on proper ways to do stuff |
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| 00:15:42 | preglow | so you have a million sound servers, only some good |
| 00:15:42 | amiconn | oops |
| 00:15:55 | jhMikeS | such is open source...I should know of late :) |
| 00:16:19 | * | n1s has had no problems with linux sound after figuring out that there would never be any drivers for that darn xfi card and getting an old audigy instead :-) |
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| 00:16:56 | preglow | i'm tempted to just commit this and see what people say |
| 00:17:13 | amiconn | Had a sim open that played music. Stopped it, started 2nd sim, tried playback -> segfault. Tried to restart playback in 1st sim -> some nasty noises, then crash... |
| 00:17:22 | jhMikeS | preglow: that's generally a good approach...or people tend to say nothing |
| 00:17:28 | preglow | jhMikeS: exactly... |
| 00:17:46 | preglow | at least i've had no loud NOs from devs |
| 00:17:57 | preglow | and a good few "good riddance" |
| 00:18:07 | preglow | i should just test the patch a bit first |
| 00:18:11 | preglow | but that can come tomorrow |
| 00:18:31 | preglow | though i can't imagine what the patch'd break |
| 00:18:38 | jhMikeS | I really forgot the stupid option even existed since I've never changed it |
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| 00:19:40 | jhMikeS | preglow: I'm sure some voice bug will come up |
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| 00:19:57 | preglow | bah |
| 00:20:12 | preglow | did i handle lang files properly, btw? i just marked the strings deprecated in english.lang, and that's that |
| 00:20:27 | n1s | preglow: that should do it, yes |
| 00:20:48 | preglow | gr8 |
| 00:21:00 | n1s | I love the fact that we have both /codecs.h and /codecs/codec.h |
| 00:21:25 | preglow | yeah... |
| 00:21:31 | preglow | that used to be an even worse mess |
| 00:21:32 | Bagder | not confusing at all. nooooo |
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| 00:24:11 | Bagder | the battery makes for some fun in the uisim when used as your regular player ;-) |
| 00:25:02 | jhMikeS | what? charging the sim isn't supported yet? :P |
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| 00:29:45 | jhMikeS | why nvram.bin and config.cfg constantly opened when adjusting volume? |
| 00:29:52 | jhMikeS | *why is |
| 00:30:11 | amiconn | jhMikeS: After buffering, sim cpu load is very low even with peakmeters enabled |
| 00:30:44 | amiconn | (on amd65) |
| 00:30:47 | amiconn | *64 |
| 00:30:55 | amiconn | Gnome system monitor shows a mere 1% after buffering finished |
| 00:31:36 | jhMikeS | I thought it was like 60% before |
| 00:32:14 | amiconn | That was before the sleep(0) fix, I think |
| 00:32:32 | jhMikeS | so that _just_ changed after the last commit? |
| 00:32:44 | amiconn | I don't think so |
| 00:33:10 | amiconn | I didn't always check system load on linux |
| 00:34:01 | jhMikeS | makes more sense. I think running it debian just eats alot of CPU because of graphics emulation (around 58-60%). |
| 00:34:33 | amiconn | You mean in vmware, I presume? |
| 00:35:07 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 00:35:09 | amiconn | gfx emulation is indeed somewhat slow, especially if you're using vmware server |
| 00:35:15 | krazykit | does the rockbox-vmware image have vmware drivers installed at all? |
| 00:35:29 | amiconn | Workstation or player have better gfx performance |
| 00:35:30 | jhMikeS | cube gets around 35% |
| 00:35:46 | jhMikeS | I'm using player right now |
| 00:36:16 | amiconn | I switched to server, even though I also have workstation (both can't be installed at the same time) |
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| 00:37:32 | jhMikeS | Gigabeat runs all the graphics plugins way faster than VMWare player does |
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| 00:41:57 | jhMikeS | preglow: how long does an audiobuffer fill take for you on the sim? for me, so long as no pagefile activity happens...it's almost instant. |
| 00:42:36 | ^JimmyRidge^ | dang wtfno partition found my butt |
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| 00:43:13 | ^JimmyRidge^ | 1i did mkfs.vfat -F 32 /dev/myipod |
| 00:43:49 | ^JimmyRidge^ | this is givin me a headache |
| 00:44:00 | bluebrother | what does fdisk -l tell? |
| 00:44:22 | ^JimmyRidge^ | dev/sdc1 1 10 80293+ 0 Empty |
| 00:44:22 | ^JimmyRidge^ | /dev/sdc2 11 497 3911824+ b W95 FAT32 |
| 00:44:34 | preglow | jhMikeS: five seconds or so |
| 00:44:48 | preglow | jhMikeS: got a bit of pagefile usage going |
| 00:44:54 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Not sure about the exact time, but it's >10 seconds |
| 00:44:59 | ^JimmyRidge^ | does a partition need to be bootable? activated? |
| 00:45:31 | bluebrother | I don't think so. |
| 00:45:50 | bluebrother | can you access the partition? I.e. what does file -s /dev/sdc2 tell? |
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| 00:46:12 | jhMikeS | all the DEBUGF calls slow it down cause VMWare has to update the display |
| 00:46:14 | delYsid | pixelma: thanks for the chessbox fix, I actually know one guy that was apparently hitting on this key binding occasionally and already thought chessbox was flaky. |
| 00:46:26 | ^JimmyRidge^ | /dev/sdc2: x86 boot sector, mkdosfs boot message display, code offset 0x58, OEM-ID " mkdosfs", sectors/cluster 8, Media descriptor 0xf8, heads 255, sectors 7823648 (volumes > 32 MB) , FAT (32 bit), sectors/FAT 7626, serial number 0x46e982b5, label: |
| 00:46:48 | ^JimmyRidge^ | hm |
| 00:47:01 | pixelma | delYsid: ah, nice to hear. :) |
| 00:47:07 | bluebrother | hmm. Can't see anything strange. |
| 00:47:08 | ^JimmyRidge^ | thats a handy cmd |
| 00:47:10 | amiconn | jhMikeS: the >10 seconds are on the physical amd64 box |
| 00:47:18 | ^JimmyRidge^ | delYsid, ? u here? its me DeL3e7! |
| 00:47:26 | amiconn | My vmware needs >10 seconds until playback even starts... |
| 00:48:52 | krazykit | amiconn, obviously the solution is to run linux ;-) |
| 00:48:59 | delYsid | ^JimmyRidge^: Do we know each other? |
| 00:49:14 | amiconn | krazykit: The vmware image does run linux |
| 00:49:25 | ^JimmyRidge^ | guess not then |
| 00:49:25 | amiconn | The host is windows, and the sim is snappy there |
| 00:49:40 | jhMikeS | it only does anything like that for me if the pagefile is involved alot but that's sort of expected |
| 00:49:52 | krazykit | amiconn, no, i meant natively. |
| 00:50:23 | amiconn | I won't do that for sure. Not on the laptop |
| 00:50:47 | jhMikeS | Buffer a video stops after 5 or 6 |
| 00:51:05 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Buffering needs <1 second in a windows sim |
| 00:51:37 | jhMikeS | Well, my sim is a linux sim since it's VMWare. |
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| 00:52:16 | jhMikeS | you are referring to a cygwin one I take it? |
| 00:52:46 | amiconn | Compiled under cygwin, yes |
| 00:53:06 | jhMikeS | ok. I've never even run one of those. |
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| 00:53:09 | amiconn | The compiled sim is a native win32 app |
| 00:53:23 | amiconn | No cygwin needed to run it, just sdl.dll |
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| 00:57:15 | jhMikeS | hmmm...my VMWare starting a full-screen video up on the gigabeat sim starts with no perceivable delay at all and no roughness during buffering which is over fast. odd differences. |
| 00:59:08 | ^JimmyRidge^ | ok i just completely restored it hopefully it'll will work this time |
| 00:59:36 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Btw, all my buffering time, load etc figures use the default wps of course, i.e. include peakmeters |
| 00:59:41 | jhMikeS | Of course I cut the VMWare RAM size down so it doesn't eat space on my main OS. |
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| 01:00:24 | amiconn | My vmware ram size is set to 256MB. Both my amd64 box and the windows laptop have 1GB of physical ram |
| 01:00:27 | jhMikeS | peakmeters have no negative impact for me at all for buffering. |
| 01:01:15 | amiconn | My vm is *not* the one from the download server though. It's my own installation of debian unstable, includes gnome etc |
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| 01:09:38 | ^JimmyRidge^ | ugh |
| 01:09:43 | ^JimmyRidge^ | this is killing me |
| 01:09:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: are the measurements after the last change? |
| 01:10:05 | amiconn | yes |
| 01:10:12 | ^JimmyRidge^ | i dunno why its not detecting the partition/ or mounting it <rockbox> |
| 01:10:39 | jhMikeS | amiconn: so it changed/didn't change from before? |
| 01:11:14 | ^JimmyRidge^ | i see the rockbox bootloago then it craps out to say no partition found insert usb cable and fix it |
| 01:11:21 | amiconn | It became a bit better on the amd64, in that there is no noticeable delay before it starts playing |
| 01:11:57 | amiconn | On windows there's no noticeable change. Worked nicely before, and works nicely now |
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| 01:12:40 | amiconn | On vmware I don't know. I only use it rarely for running sims |
| 01:12:52 | amiconn | Native win32 sims are much more convenient |
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| 01:24:41 | ^JimmyRidge^ | hm |
| 01:24:54 | ^JimmyRidge^ | says Partition unkown in ipods testmode... |
| 01:25:06 | ^JimmyRidge^ | under HD info |
| 01:25:16 | Soap | I'm late to this conversation, but is it a Winpod? |
| 01:25:24 | ^JimmyRidge^ | yea |
| 01:25:42 | Soap | Hve you previously installed IpodLinux? |
| 01:25:48 | Soap | *Have |
| 01:25:48 | ^JimmyRidge^ | no |
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| 01:26:48 | ^JimmyRidge^ | /dev/sdc2 11 497 3911824+ b W95 FAT32 |
| 01:27:15 | ^JimmyRidge^ | should i try tweakin the id |
| 01:27:29 | amiconn | The id doesn't matter for rockbox |
| 01:27:38 | amiconn | (as long as it's != 5) |
| 01:28:07 | ^JimmyRidge^ | ? |
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| 01:30:06 | ^JimmyRidge^ | maybe try a dif build? |
| 01:30:25 | * | jhMikeS wonders what the sim changes mean for blackhawk |
| 01:30:52 | amiconn | Rockbox ignores the partition id almost completely, and just tries to mount every non-empty partition as fat32, as long as it's not an extended partition. |
| 01:31:10 | amiconn | It will use the first partition it is able to mount |
| 01:32:57 | ^JimmyRidge^ | then why am i getting a nopartition found, you saw my fdisk output eh? |
| 01:35:20 | amiconn | I don't know. Don't have much experience with linux fdisk either... |
| 01:37:09 | ^JimmyRidge^ | does rockbox.ipod need to be in the root dir? |
| 01:37:35 | amiconn | Nope. It needs to be in /.rockbox (where it's unzipped to) |
| 01:37:59 | pixelma | ^JimmyRidge^: were you installing on a Nano? |
| 01:38:15 | amiconn | It will probably work in the root as well (iirc the bootloader still checks both locations) |
| 01:38:32 | ^JimmyRidge^ | nano 4GB black |
| 01:39:55 | ^JimmyRidge^ | this is drivin me nuts |
| 01:40:05 | pixelma | and the "no partition found" - do you get that when trying to boot Rockbox or do you already have problems elsewhere? |
| 01:40:17 | ^JimmyRidge^ | no the original firmware loads fine |
| 01:40:49 | amiconn | But testmode says partition unknown? |
| 01:41:11 | pixelma | maybe he's suffering from a really bad case of the "recent" Nano problem? |
| 01:42:01 | pixelma | just an idea though... |
| 01:42:50 | ^JimmyRidge^ | might need a windows computer to fix it or somethin |
| 01:44:02 | RudMan | as far as I know, rockbox is not supported on the 4GB nano |
| 01:44:14 | RudMan | it is only supported on the 1st gen nano |
| 01:44:39 | ^JimmyRidge^ | but it is a 1st gen ;( |
| 01:44:48 | ^JimmyRidge^ | with a bigger drive |
| 01:45:18 | amiconn | RudMan: The 1st gen came in 1, 2 and 4GB versions |
| 01:45:41 | RudMan | hmmm. sorry about that, I thought 1st gen was only 1GB |
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| 02:03:48 | XavierGr | does the sansa support usb 2.0 speeds? what about its memory card slot? |
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| 02:09:30 | jhMikeS | XavierGr: most definitely |
| 02:10:59 | pixelma | XavierGr: I bet it's different from the Ondio ;) |
| 02:11:47 | jhMikeS | It's definitely a bit different from the player too |
| 02:16:08 | XavierGr | heh thanks |
| 02:16:16 | XavierGr | I am itching to buy one right now |
| 02:16:34 | XavierGr | a friend of mine needs an mp3 player (low cost) and I am trying to convert her on the rockbox side |
| 02:16:45 | XavierGr | probably I will try to drag Genre9mp3 into it too :P |
| 02:19:27 | jhMikeS | It's a very nice player with some impressive sound imo. My favorite for going around just listening to music since it just slips in a shit pocket. |
| 02:19:44 | jhMikeS | *shirt pocket :P hehe |
| 02:19:54 | XavierGr | jhMikeS: what about the portaplayer battery problems in the sansa? |
| 02:20:25 | pixelma | jhMikeS: BoS just belongs there :P |
| 02:20:42 | jhMikeS | not much worse than OF from what I've been told. I've never run it down to even 50%. |
| 02:21:00 | * | jhMikeS incorporated a BoS reference into the dual core patch :) |
| 02:21:59 | jhMikeS | ...just so I can carry I it around with me |
| 02:22:07 | XavierGr | BoS is a historical reference in these days, it is the first golden quote on the rockbox era after all ;) |
| 02:22:07 | pixelma | some nice "data abort at ..."? |
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| 02:26:43 | jhMikeS | poison poiter value 0x8a905417 |
| 02:27:05 | jhMikeS | *pointer....the typos today |
| 02:30:39 | jhMikeS | was that BoS stuff logged in IRC? would like to see it. |
| 02:31:17 | pixelma | see GoldenQuotes wiki, top entry |
| 02:31:35 | pixelma | it was in a forum thread |
| 02:31:52 | amiconn | XavierGr: I doubt that it's the first. Just the first that was documented as such |
| 02:33:33 | amiconn | At the time this quote was made, rockbox already existed for almost 4 years |
| 02:34:29 | jhMikeS | the forum discussion still exists: alexshigo |
| 02:36:44 | jhMikeS | guess it wasn't that long ago...hehe |
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| 02:39:36 | XavierGr | amiconn: yes of course, but it is the first documented and probably the one that started the golden quotes page, also the most famous |
| 02:39:46 | linuxstb | This is definitely older than BOS... http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-09/0586.shtml |
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| 02:58:06 | ^JimmyRidge^ | ok i think its just the way i formated my ipods fat32 partition |
| 02:58:30 | ^JimmyRidge^ | i was thinking of doing a mformat but what should i put for heads/sectors |
| 02:58:35 | ^JimmyRidge^ | its solidstate!? |
| 02:59:48 | iamben | why are you entering heads/sectors? let fdisk or whatever fudge the disk geometry like it always does |
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| 03:01:02 | ^JimmyRidge^ | cause its having problems |
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| 03:52:48 | ^JimmyRidge^ | im at my wits end with this no partition BS |
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| 04:55:05 | JGabcde | how do u change the startup ipc in rockbox |
| 04:55:07 | JGabcde | ?? |
| 04:55:09 | JGabcde | pic*\ |
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| 04:56:43 | JGabcde | hello? |
| 04:58:21 | Ebert | dunno if you can |
| 04:58:38 | Ebert | what hardware? |
| 04:59:08 | JGabcde | ipod |
| 04:59:39 | JGabcde | that pic |
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| 05:00:35 | Ebert | the apple at the beginning? |
| 05:01:16 | Ebert | can't change that |
| 05:04:50 | JGabcde | no in rockbox |
| 05:04:53 | JGabcde | the logo |
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| 05:11:26 | ^JimmyRidge^ | if u compiled ur own version maybe |
| 05:14:38 | ^JimmyRidge^ | jeez i cant even get loader2 to work |
| 05:15:27 | krazykit | ^JimmyRidge^, please read the IRC guidelines, specifically the part about using "u" or "ur" |
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| 05:19:01 | Ebert | the "u" is not even here krazykit.. |
| 05:19:26 | krazykit | Ebert, ...what? |
| 05:19:48 | alienbiker99 | (^JimmyRidge^) if u compiled ur own version maybe ........... |
| 05:19:58 | Ebert | the person, JGabcde , signed off right before he said it |
| 05:20:12 | alienbiker99 | Ebert wrong person |
| 05:20:41 | krazykit | Ebert, i was talking about using stupid "contractions" for simple words, which is against the channel guidelines |
| 05:20:49 | Ebert | the person ^jimmyridge^ was answering to, so its pointless |
| 05:21:26 | krazykit | well, abbreviations rather than contractions, anyway |
| 05:21:48 | Ebert | wow, i thought you were telling him to be specific on who he was talking to, this rule is even more lame |
| 05:22:21 | krazykit | it's a benefit to non-native english speakers and to people using screen readers. |
| 05:23:12 | Ebert | now i am afraid to say anything incorrectly :) |
| 05:23:59 | krazykit | well, minor spelling mistakes aren't a big deal, since everyone makes them. the problem is when people are all "zomg dUdE how u insall stuff". |
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| 06:08:30 | ^JimmyRidge^ | well i got linux to boot up fine |
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| 06:19:07 | HeimrichHimmler | gutentaug |
| 06:19:36 | HeimrichHimmler | ganf einch rockbox |
| 06:20:10 | advcomp2019 | david do not spam |
| 06:20:33 | HeimrichHimmler | !!!How did you know my name???? |
| 06:20:39 | HeimrichHimmler | Ok, I wont. |
| 06:22:06 | HeimrichHimmler | I have read through the Twiki, but I'm still confused. I know how to compile rockbox, but I don't know how to patch. |
| 06:22:40 | krazykit | you use "patch" |
| 06:22:49 | krazykit | did you read WorkingWithPatches? |
| 06:23:37 | HeimrichHimmler | Yes, I follow every direction, but I don't understand. This may be a little too hard for me right now, I guess. |
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| 06:24:27 | krazykit | well, the basic rundown is to cd to your source directory (rockbox/) and then patch -p0 < /path/to/patchfile |
| 06:24:34 | JerryLange | hello i have a problem with rockbox on my 5.5g 80gb ipod |
| 06:24:53 | qwm | scorche: lvl 99 is a fucking nightmare, way worse than that other level i had trouble with. |
| 06:24:58 | JerryLange | for some reason when ever i turn it off and turn it on some of the settings i just set do not save |
| 06:25:13 | HeimrichHimmler | lvl 99 pokemon is hard to beat |
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| 06:25:35 | HeimrichHimmler | lvl 99? |
| 06:25:37 | krazykit | HeimrichHimmler, stay on topic in here. |
| 06:25:55 | qwm | HeimrichHimmler: the bubbles game. |
| 06:26:00 | Ebert | bubbles qwm? one in the 70's gave me a problem |
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| 06:26:10 | HeimrichHimmler | It's the snood-like one, right? |
| 06:26:16 | JerryLange | anybody know how to help me with my problem |
| 06:26:18 | qwm | yeah, lvl 70 and 99 are incredibly difficult imo. |
| 06:26:46 | qwm | Ebert: did you beat all levels? |
| 06:27:07 | Ebert | how many are there? no im taking my time |
| 06:27:07 | HeimrichHimmler | what other wads is rockdoom compatable with, other than doom. there are heritic wads. |
| 06:27:14 | advcomp2019 | JerryLange, what is the issue |
| 06:27:19 | qwm | i don't know, hehe. |
| 06:27:25 | qwm | assuming there's only 100. |
| 06:27:26 | krazykit | HeimrichHimmler, read the wiki. |
| 06:27:41 | HeimrichHimmler | Wikiwikiwiki.....:( |
| 06:27:59 | JerryLange | everytime i turn my ipod on and then off the settings are somewhat reset |
| 06:28:01 | Ebert | jerrylange, are you saving a config file in "manage settings" ? |
| 06:28:06 | HeimrichHimmler | Nope, guess not. |
| 06:28:21 | HeimrichHimmler | Patch your Ipod's bootloader. |
| 06:28:22 | JerryLange | Ebert, yes |
| 06:28:37 | krazykit | HeimrichHimmler, don't give advice when you don't know what you're talking about. |
| 06:28:37 | Ebert | newest bootloader? |
| 06:28:42 | HeimrichHimmler | With e200tool |
| 06:28:55 | JerryLange | yes |
| 06:29:10 | SoulPropagation | Hi ... not sure if this is ok to ask here but can anyone tell me why I can boot into Rockbox on an iPod but booting into Apple OS will cause it to basically nuke itself? This is regardless of whether I have the bootloader installed or not |
| 06:29:25 | JerryLange | this never occured before but this problem just happened |
| 06:29:34 | HeimrichHimmler | What does the 'i' mean in iPod anyway? |
| 06:29:38 | Ebert | nuke itself isn't descriptive :/ |
| 06:29:44 | SoulPropagation | HeimrichHimmler: As far as we know, "iNternet" |
| 06:29:50 | krazykit | HeimrichHimmler, you've been warned over and over. stay on topic. |
| 06:30:11 | SoulPropagation | Ebert: the lcd goes out but the backlight stays on; pushing a button gives me a click but spinning the wheel doesn't. |
| 06:30:22 | krazykit | SoulPropagation, i'd try using iTunes to restore the ipod, see if that'll fix the issue. make sure your music is backed up first, tho |
| 06:30:55 | HeimrichHimmler | Is there a way to change my device's cpu frequency? |
| 06:30:57 | SoulPropagation | krazykit: I've restored more times than I can count, not to mention formatting and scandisking |
| 06:31:09 | krazykit | HeimrichHimmler, no. |
| 06:31:18 | krazykit | HeimrichHimmler, well, easy answer is no. |
| 06:31:33 | krazykit | SoulPropagation, sounds like it's time to remove all traces of rockbox and head to an apple store :-/ |
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| 06:31:40 | JerryLange | and when i go to load config.cfg "which is rockbox defaults settings there not loaded until i turn the player off then on |
| 06:32:35 | krazykit | HeimrichHimmler, david, please change your nick to something that isn't offensive, please |
| 06:32:55 | JerryLange | maybe i should re do everything to get rockbox again |
| 06:33:49 | SoulPropagation | krazykit: there's no warranty... at least there isn't anymore. I put in a new screen (I intentionally bought one with a broken screen on the cheap) and AiOS doesn't like the new one... I think it's a 5.5G screen in a 5.0G iPod |
| 06:34:49 | JerryLange | now i reset the settings did nothing and it still reset the default settings. whats wrong |
| 06:34:49 | Ebert | that may mean your hd is damaged along with the screen, hope not tho SoulPropagation |
| 06:35:19 | SoulPropagation | Ebert: screen works fine in rockbox, iPod diagnostic tool AND chkdsk give me sunshine and rainbows |
| 06:35:56 | Ebert | no, i meant its possible the ipod was dropped or beaten, breaking the original screen |
| 06:35:58 | JerryLange | all i remember doing that didnt seem good was i turned auto update on and also turned shuffle on and changed the song very quick and this froze my player. so i reset it and then all this started happening |
| 06:36:29 | SoulPropagation | Ebert: It was probably dropped. But, if the HDD was damaged then why can rockbox and chkdsk and everything say it's working? |
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| 06:37:08 | SoulPropagation | on a similar note, would anybody be interested in BUYING a 30Gb iPod 5G? It DOES run rockbox just fine ;) |
| 06:37:13 | krazykit | SoulPropagation, well, i'm no apple expert by any means. you might be able to get some good answers for the OF on ipodlounge or something |
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| 06:37:45 | SoulPropagation | krazykit: posted there, waiting for a response... it's been a day though >_> |
| 06:38:01 | krazykit | well, they say patience is a virtue ;-) |
| 06:38:23 | SoulPropagation | krazykit: yeah, but I'm just worried it'll get buried |
| 06:38:33 | JerryLange | what is the rockboxqt zip file called? |
| 06:38:34 | krazykit | but in the meantime, does emergency disk mode at least work? |
| 06:38:41 | krazykit | JerryLange, rbutilqt? |
| 06:38:50 | JerryLange | yeah |
| 06:39:39 | SoulPropagation | krazykit: MSC mode works, OBD works, rockbox works, EVERYTHING works except OF |
| 06:39:44 | Ebert | did you have to reformat it before solely because of dual booting? |
| 06:39:52 | JerryLange | wow i cant get that rbutilqt to work at all |
| 06:40:18 | HeimrichHimmler | Try sansa.fmt |
| 06:40:27 | SoulPropagation | Ebert: no, even with a fresh restore it won't boot |
| 06:40:53 | krazykit | HeimrichHimmler, seriously, shut up. not everyone has a sansa. |
| 06:40:54 | JerryLange | what is the old rockbox installer called? |
| 06:41:35 | advcomp2019 | HeimrichHimmler, david, it is an ipod not a sansa |
| 06:41:48 | JerryLange | im going to reflash my ipod and maybe that will work since nobody else has given me any advice |
| 06:41:52 | HeimrichHimmler | Oh. |
| 06:42:49 | HeimrichHimmler | When I use rockboxdev.sh, and chose just the arm cpu, rockbox did not compile. That means I have to choose all, right? |
| 06:43:07 | krazykit | HeimrichHimmler, you're only building for the sansa? |
| 06:43:15 | krazykit | if so, you ONLY need ARM. |
| 06:43:30 | krazykit | and remember, to build rockbox itself, you choose e200, NOT e200r |
| 06:44:13 | JerryLange | ill use the old one because everytime i run the qt version it get an error |
| 06:45:14 | HeimrichHimmler | $PATH should have arm-elf in it, right? |
| 06:45:39 | krazykit | if you did it with the defaults, it should have /usr/local/arm-elf/bin/ |
| 06:46:02 | krazykit | something like /bin:/sbin:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin |
| 06:47:19 | SoulPropagation | is there a place I can sell my iPod? Most people outside here wouldn't buy it unless I can get the OF working >_> |
| 06:47:49 | JerryLange | hopefully one of the devs will come on here soon so i could get some help |
| 06:48:27 | krazykit | SoulPropagation, the mailing list, maybe. |
| 06:48:36 | SoulPropagation | krazykit: thanks. :) night night |
| 06:48:40 | krazykit | read the rules first, though |
| 06:48:53 | krazykit | i *think* it's allowed, but i don't recall |
| 06:48:55 | HeimrichHimmler | Ok, I got it to compile again, after completely replacing windows with ubuntu. |
| 06:48:56 | SoulPropagation | I will, don't worry. :D |
| 06:49:20 | HeimrichHimmler | Thanks again. |
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| 06:49:55 | HeimrichHimmler | Since the nintendo DS has an arm processor, will this work to make .nds files? |
| 06:50:21 | HeimrichHimmler | two arm processors, arm-9 and arm-7 |
| 06:50:21 | krazykit | no |
| 06:50:29 | HeimrichHimmler | ok |
| 06:50:29 | krazykit | HeimrichHimmler, stay on topic. |
| 06:50:35 | krazykit | on topic means rockbox. |
| 06:50:46 | krazykit | is there any part of that you don't understand? |
| 06:51:20 | HeimrichHimmler | rockbox can run on nintendo DS. It can be a homebrew application. If not, I will not say anything more about it.... |
| 06:52:56 | krazykit | there's a thread about this in the New Ports forum |
| 06:52:59 | JerryLange | i hope what im doing works |
| 06:55:57 | JerryLange | well now i got it to uninstall |
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| 06:57:32 | JerryLange | i guess if i have any other problems ill come on late later when the devs come on so i actually get some help |
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| 07:43:10 | JerryLange | anybody in here own and run rockbox on the ipod 80gig? |
| 07:45:33 | JerryLange | i was just wondering if dir cache correctly runs every time you boot rockbox |
| 07:50:48 | JerryLange | mine runs correctly about every other time |
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| 07:58:23 | blackflower | does anyone know if the sansapatcher which is linked from the Installation section of the manual is new enough to include the bugfix for the e200 LCD bug? (the top two garbage lines thing) |
| 07:58:31 | blackflower | i'm wondering if i'm doing something wrong, or if the fix just isn't in that |
| 07:58:54 | ddalton | How do I get voicebox to record file extentions in the .talk clips? |
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| 08:00:03 | JerryLange | blackflower, do you mean this? ALERT! 2007-09-05: The notorious LCD bug on newer Sansa e200 models is fixed. |
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| 08:01:03 | blackflower | JerryLange: yes, i assume that's the one. is there instructions somewhere of how to get the fix? just redoing the bootloader install doesn't seem to work, and i tried building the sansapatcher from svn and it segfaults... |
| 08:01:47 | JerryLange | well that was on the "majorchanges" page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges, which usually means its fixed in the newest build of rockbox |
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| 08:03:23 | JerryLange | ddalton, could you please explain more of what you want. |
| 08:03:38 | blackflower | i see...well, maybe i'm missing something |
| 08:04:07 | JerryLange | i would assume to update to the newest bootloader and then newest build and that should seem to work |
| 08:04:36 | blackflower | heh, ya that's what i assumed too. i'll try redoing it, maybe i forgot a command somewhere along the way |
| 08:04:58 | JerryLange | or if you want do a complete uninstsall and reinstsall |
| 08:05:21 | JerryLange | i take it you compiled your own build? |
| 08:05:43 | blackflower | yeah, but it's not modified at all from what's in svn |
| 08:05:55 | blackflower | maybe a full reinstall would help, i'll try that too |
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| 08:14:54 | blackflower | hmm, yeah it still seems to be there. i bet the sansapatcher on the website hasn't been updated yet, unless i'm really messing something up. does anyone know the right way to build sansapatcher from svn? it seems to build okay, but it segfaults after i choose install |
| 08:15:38 | Llorean | You can use the provided one with an SVN bootloader, you don't have to use the bootloader builtin to sansapatcher |
| 08:15:54 | ^JimmyRidge^ | why do i keep getting this wierd problem |
| 08:16:55 | ^JimmyRidge^ | No partition found. Insert USB cable and fix it. |
| 08:17:03 | blackflower | Llorean: ohh, cool. how do i get it to build the bootloader? (or is it one of these files it already built?) |
| 08:18:09 | ^JimmyRidge^ | ipl's loader2 loaded the /.rockbox/rockbox.ipod "kernel" but the darn kernel isnt finding where it was executed from |
| 08:18:33 | ^JimmyRidge^ | little more verbostiy would help |
| 08:20:08 | Llorean | blackflower: Just choose "Bootloader" instead of "Normal Build" |
| 08:20:21 | Llorean | ^JimmyRidge^: Is your iPod Fat32 formatted? |
| 08:20:30 | ^JimmyRidge^ | yea |
| 08:20:36 | Llorean | And Rockbox is on the FAT32 partition? |
| 08:20:39 | ^JimmyRidge^ | yes |
| 08:20:53 | Llorean | And it's not an extended partition? |
| 08:21:02 | ^JimmyRidge^ | mkfs.vfat /dev/sda2 -F32 |
| 08:21:10 | ^JimmyRidge^ | all primarys |
| 08:21:18 | Llorean | Then it should work. |
| 08:21:26 | GodEater | ^JimmyRidge^: what flavour ipod ? |
| 08:21:35 | ^JimmyRidge^ | excatly why im chewing my own head |
| 08:21:44 | ^JimmyRidge^ | ipod Nano 4GB gen1 |
| 08:21:52 | Llorean | But you really should try using the official setup. |
| 08:22:02 | Llorean | You could be running into "The Nano bug" or it could be something about your setup |
| 08:22:19 | GodEater | Llorean: 0xb or 0xc partition type ? |
| 08:22:24 | Llorean | And using Loader2 qualifies you for "unsupported" status, since you're depending on hardware initialization this project didn't write. |
| 08:22:28 | ^JimmyRidge^ | the only thing i havent tried is letting windows have a go at formating it |
| 08:22:40 | Llorean | GodEater: Rockbox doesn't care about that, only iPodPatcher did. |
| 08:22:48 | ^JimmyRidge^ | well the same thing was happening with the rockbox loader |
| 08:22:50 | GodEater | 'k |
| 08:22:51 | Llorean | GodEater: At least afaik. |
| 08:23:11 | GodEater | ^JimmyRidge^: pastebin us your partition table ? |
| 08:23:12 | blackflower | Llorean: thanks, works like a charm |
| 08:23:16 | ^JimmyRidge^ | my soldistate ram is about to reach its max writeable ammounts |
| 08:23:18 | JerryLange | anybody run or know how rockbox works on the ipod 80gig? i have a question about dircache |
| 08:23:36 | GodEater | JerryLange: just ask your question |
| 08:23:38 | Llorean | JerryLange: Exactly 0 people have entered the room since you last asked that. |
| 08:23:56 | Llorean | Wait, my mistake, looks like maybe 2 |
| 08:24:09 | ^JimmyRidge^ | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12163.msg96011 |
| 08:24:35 | Llorean | ^JimmyRidge^: As I said, you could simply be encountering the Nano bug. |
| 08:24:40 | ^JimmyRidge^ | ? |
| 08:24:51 | JerryLange | does dircache run smoothly and correctly on the ipod ? mine seems to run or initialize every other time |
| 08:25:02 | ^JimmyRidge^ | i've googled like mad i not the only1 this is happening to |
| 08:25:20 | Llorean | ^JimmyRidge^: As I said, it may be a known bug that Nano users are having. |
| 08:25:31 | GodEater | Llorean: I wonder if it might be the mkfs.vfat bug too? Although admittedly we've only seen that on larger volumes than this previously |
| 08:25:37 | Llorean | ^JimmyRidge^: It's described in the patch tracker, though the entry is not well named. |
| 08:25:47 | GodEater | I don't like the fact that Apple's diag mode is saying "Partition unknown" |
| 08:25:50 | JerryLange | or maybe something is wrong with my player |
| 08:25:57 | Llorean | GodEater: The ATA timing issue on Nano has caused Partition Not Found for some people |
| 08:26:05 | GodEater | ah ok |
| 08:26:06 | Llorean | Though apple's diagnostic mode is different |
| 08:26:08 | Llorean | I didn't see that |
| 08:26:29 | ^JimmyRidge^ | crazy eh? |
| 08:26:29 | Llorean | ^JimmyRidge^: If apple's diagnostic mode is saying it can't find the partition, the problem isn't something to do with Rockbox, none of our code is running. |
| 08:26:37 | Llorean | JerryLange: Why do you think this is not normal behaviour? |
| 08:26:47 | GodEater | JerryLange: what do you mean by "it initialises every other time" ? |
| 08:27:04 | ^JimmyRidge^ | i got linux to boot |
| 08:27:34 | scorche | ^JimmyRidge^: linux? |
| 08:27:41 | ^JimmyRidge^ | ipodlinux |
| 08:27:50 | GodEater | ^JimmyRidge^: not on that partition table you didn't |
| 08:27:56 | ^JimmyRidge^ | well |
| 08:28:04 | JerryLange | alright. i just booted my player and it said it only took 9 seconds to Initialize, other times when the player is loaded its stil loading and has only like 500 files in the cache |
| 08:28:53 | GodEater | I've never seen a message saying "took 9 seconds to initiliase" |
| 08:29:07 | GodEater | or any other number of seconds for that matter |
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| 08:29:32 | JerryLange | is says 9s in the dircache info for "scanning took" |
| 08:29:36 | ^JimmyRidge^ | hm |
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| 08:30:04 | GodEater | JerryLange: It takes 60 seconds or so for mine to scan |
| 08:30:35 | GodEater | if yours is bugging out so early, I imagine you have file system problems |
| 08:30:37 | amiconn | Scanning time depends on how many files are on the disk |
| 08:30:42 | GodEater | amiconn: obviously |
| 08:30:58 | gnychis | can any rockbox plugins play .mov files? (same format used to play in original firmware) |
| 08:30:59 | JerryLange | i have about eight thousand |
| 08:31:07 | Llorean | gnychis: No. |
| 08:31:08 | GodEater | gnychis: no |
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| 08:31:14 | GodEater | JerryLange: same as me then |
| 08:31:20 | gnychis | thanks |
| 08:31:28 | GodEater | JerryLange: so I suggest you check the filesystem |
| 08:31:45 | amiconn | My H180 also just needs 8 seconds, scanning ~6400 files |
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| 08:32:00 | JerryLange | well sometimes it takes about 9 seconds |
| 08:32:17 | GodEater | amiconn: pretty impressive |
| 08:32:32 | Llorean | Doesn't the 5.5G have pretty slow read speed? |
| 08:32:33 | amiconn | GodEater: How many files do you have? 60 seconds seems pretty excessive |
| 08:32:36 | GodEater | amiconn: does the ATA hacks you've done for the 80GB ipod have any impact on that time ? (I'm guessing not) |
| 08:32:45 | ^JimmyRidge^ | bbl |
| 08:32:57 | GodEater | entry count is 7328 amiconn |
| 08:33:01 | amiconn | I got such a long scanning time when I had a folder with very many files on my H180 |
| 08:33:34 | JerryLange | actually i have 9956 files on my player |
| 08:33:34 | GodEater | I don't have any really huge folders |
| 08:34:38 | JerryLange | and on my 5.5g 80gb it only took 9 seconds |
| 08:34:38 | amiconn | ...which also made dircache size go very near the built-in limit of 6MB. Don't remember the file count, but it certainly was >50000 files |
| 08:35:32 | amiconn | 7 seconds for 4844 files on my 2nd gen |
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| 08:35:55 | JerryLange | now i restarted the player (turned it off then on) and now its taking longer to initialize |
| 08:36:34 | amiconn | GodEater: 2 seconds for 1350 files on LinusN's 5.5G |
| 08:36:50 | JerryLange | 112 seconds now |
| 08:36:52 | amiconn | (sorry, didn't put more files there) |
| 08:37:09 | GodEater | amiconn: well I have no theories as to why mine has taken 60s |
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| 08:37:53 | JerryLange | but sometimes. i recently reinstalled rockbox completely and it seems to be working correctly, but before it wouldnt even initialize |
| 08:37:59 | amiconn | Either there are huge differences between 5.5Gs, or yours is very fragmented |
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| 08:38:16 | GodEater | although having just done a power off and back on - it now says 10 seconds |
| 08:38:26 | JerryLange | same as me |
| 08:38:26 | GodEater | and I doubt it's fragmented much, I've never deleted anything from it |
| 08:38:47 | amiconn | ~10 seconds is what I would expect from your file count |
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| 08:39:40 | JerryLange | sometimes it seems to do dircache before rockbox loads completely (during the boot screen) and sometimes it doesn't |
| 08:39:58 | amiconn | GodEater: Hmm, maybe you resumed playback right after boot when you got that long init time? |
| 08:40:21 | GodEater | I have resume playback on start set to yes if that's what you mean |
| 08:40:24 | amiconn | Having playback run in parallel to dircache scan slows the scan down *a lot* |
| 08:40:50 | JerryLange | yes but why the 2 different scan times that are very far apart from each other? |
| 08:41:08 | GodEater | ah - so if I powered off with it stopped though - that wouldn't resume on startup |
| 08:41:28 | amiconn | It would |
| 08:41:45 | amiconn | It only won't resume if your playlist ended |
| 08:41:53 | GodEater | in that case I can't explain the difference in time |
| 08:41:59 | * | amiconn never sets rockbox to "resume on startup" |
| 08:42:18 | amiconn | Maybe it depends on the codec |
| 08:42:30 | GodEater | all mp3 |
| 08:42:34 | amiconn | (assuming you use several different formats) |
| 08:42:35 | GodEater | I don't own anything else |
| 08:42:39 | amiconn | hmm |
| 08:42:53 | JerryLange | same here. all mp3 |
| 08:43:18 | * | GodEater has just triggered an interesting behaviour |
| 08:43:37 | amiconn | But having playback run while dircache scan isn't finished may slow it down. As long as dircache has found all files when the scan ends, there's nothing to worry about |
| 08:43:44 | GodEater | powered off with it plugged into usb, and it went straight the AppleOS's "Warning, very low battery screen" |
| 08:44:13 | GodEater | amiconn: it's not a behaviour that worries me anyway =/ |
| 08:45:04 | JerryLange | anybody even listening to me? as long as it runs correctly its only 2 mins. its fine. i think what i usually do is im browsing files as its running and that makes it run even slower. |
| 08:45:58 | GodEater | JerryLange: yes, what's your point ? |
| 08:47:05 | JerryLange | im just talking about the same as you guys and noticed the behavior as well |
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| 08:48:27 | GodEater | well what did you want us to say ? |
| 08:48:33 | markun | JerryLange: the only thing that really bugs me is that dircache scans in the foreground when you reboot while it's scanning (after disconnecting from USB for example) |
| 08:49:46 | JerryLange | just thought you guys already knew the behavior as ive noticed it for a couple days |
| 08:50:48 | GodEater | so you didn't want us to say anything then ? |
| 08:51:13 | markun | JerryLange: are you sure you are not talking about the same problem? |
| 08:51:37 | markun | does the HDD stop after scanning is finished (in 9 seconds)? |
| 08:51:52 | * | GodEater is confused |
| 08:51:56 | JerryLange | i was wondering if it was a known bug or not |
| 08:52:32 | GodEater | if what's a known bug? You just said it works? |
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| 08:54:00 | JerryLange | ok nm i guess you dont understand |
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| 08:54:41 | GodEater | JerryLange: can you just explain *what* you think the bug is ? |
| 08:55:56 | * | markun feels ignored |
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| 08:56:25 | JerryLange | i was wondering why sometimes it takes 9s when other times it takes over 100s |
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| 08:56:56 | JerryLange | markun, yes the hdd stops |
| 08:57:34 | markun | ok :) |
| 08:58:12 | JerryLange | i recently reinstalled rockbox by the way, and it seems to be running MUCH better |
| 08:59:35 | amiconn | markun: I reported this bug to Slasheri multiple times. It exists since he fixed another dircache scan related bug |
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| 09:00:07 | amiconn | If the dircache scan is interrupted (by connecting usb or shutting down before it finished), the next scan happens in the foreground |
| 09:00:29 | amiconn | Before, it wasn't possible to interrupt the scan at all |
| 09:00:32 | GodEater | JerryLange: amiconn already said, if the disk is being used to do other things, such as file browsing, or resuming playback (so loading music into memory), then the scan takes longer |
| 09:00:48 | GodEater | that's not a bug, it's just a fact of the disk being unable to do two things at once |
| 09:01:06 | amiconn | It's more a CPU load problem than the disk access itself |
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| 09:01:36 | JerryLange | i see, but the last 2 times as i did this. all i did was turn it on and turn it off and had music resume and one time took 9s and the other took 112s |
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| 09:04:33 | JerryLange | ok next question, where can i download a package for cygwin. when i try to download it from the installer it takes too long or my internet gets disconnected and i have to restart the download. i spose i cannot get a package because i need specific files to build cygwin for rockbox |
| 09:05:14 | B4gder | JerryLange: you need the actual cygwin installed first |
| 09:05:34 | B4gder | then you install the additional development packages |
| 09:05:39 | JerryLange | yes i know thats what im talking about. |
| 09:05:45 | markun | or use vmware, but that probably takes even longer to download |
| 09:05:46 | amiconn | JerryLange: The installer will download the packages at the same speed as any other download method |
| 09:06:08 | B4gder | JerryLange: "thats" being what part? |
| 09:06:13 | amiconn | And you don't need to restart from the beginning if the connection is interrupted |
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| 09:06:54 | amiconn | The installer caches all files it downloads |
| 09:06:57 | JerryLange | yes but if i had a package for the cygqin installer i could use my download manager and download it and if i get disconnected i could resume without having to start over |
| 09:07:29 | B4gder | cygwin doesn't come in any other way afaik |
| 09:07:56 | JerryLange | thats cool, but next time i go to use the same mirrior it cant find the files |
| 09:08:03 | amiconn | The individual packages aren't that big |
| 09:08:16 | B4gder | JerryLange: then pick another mirror |
| 09:08:34 | amiconn | B4gder: Yes, but then he has to restart from the beginning |
| 09:08:40 | B4gder | ah right |
| 09:08:46 | amiconn | Some mirrors are indeed quirky |
| 09:08:51 | B4gder | that's actually a bit of a flaw in their system |
| 09:09:30 | amiconn | If you're in the EU, I can recommend the ftp.inf.tu-dresden.de mirror |
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| 09:09:52 | JerryLange | well this is what i am going to do i guess. run setup tell it just to download the files on my cousins computer then copy the files to a cdr or something copy them to my computer and then tell setup.exe to install from a local directory |
| 09:09:54 | amiconn | (and using http in the installer seems to be more reliable than ftp) |
| 09:10:21 | B4gder | JerryLange: I don't think it installs from a local dir that easily though |
| 09:11:46 | JerryLange | alright i see what ya mean. is there anyway to get past the flaw then? |
| 09:12:39 | B4gder | pick a fine mirror and stick with it - the same mirror - on retries |
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| 09:13:29 | JerryLange | so when it says error just keep clicking retry? |
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| 09:13:47 | B4gder | when does it say error? |
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| 09:15:14 | JerryLange | hold on. i can probably get the error to come up |
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| 09:17:16 | JerryLange | ok nevermind i deleted all the files |
| 09:19:51 | JerryLange | but im gonna try the way i said and see if i can get cygwin to work that way then download the rockbox package |
| 09:20:17 | JerryLange | because according to the wiki it will only take me 10 mins for that and i can deal with like an hour for it to download for me |
| 09:22:15 | GodEater | LinusN: *ping* |
| 09:22:28 | B4gder | JerryLange: using the vmware image is much more fun anyway... |
| 09:22:51 | GodEater | using linux is much more fun than the vmware image :) |
| 09:22:53 | JerryLange | last time i tried vmware i could not get it to work |
| 09:23:08 | LinusN | GodEater: pong |
| 09:23:09 | JerryLange | i do have a ubuntu live cd right in front of me |
| 09:23:10 | B4gder | well, apparently you don't get cygwin to work either ;-) |
| 09:23:20 | GodEater | LinusN: just wondered if you'd had any feedback from Jeff at all ? |
| 09:23:39 | LinusN | yes i have |
| 09:23:51 | GodEater | positive ? :) |
| 09:23:52 | LinusN | he can't understand why it gets so loaded |
| 09:24:01 | JerryLange | is there a readme like cygwin does? |
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| 09:24:16 | GodEater | is there any hope he'll let one of us poke around and see if we can fix it ? |
| 09:24:20 | B4gder | JerryLange: ask the cygwin guys, we're just users of their software |
| 09:24:27 | LinusN | i made some further analysis yesterday, and my theory is that he is performing nightly backups |
| 09:24:30 | scorche | LinusN: do his logs show anything? |
| 09:24:41 | LinusN | scorche: i don't have access to his logs |
| 09:24:56 | GodEater | LinusN: that was my theory too |
| 09:25:08 | GodEater | is the open SMTP relay theory bunk now ? |
| 09:25:19 | scorche | LinusN: just checking in case he checked them |
| 09:25:24 | LinusN | i guess that is one of the problems, along with some possible crawler activity |
| 09:25:55 | GodEater | I assume the mysticriver forums also suffer at this time of day too ? |
| 09:25:59 | LinusN | yes |
| 09:26:26 | qwm | :) |
| 09:26:34 | qwm | so, has the nano bug been fixed yet? |
| 09:26:38 | scorche | qwm: my thoughts too |
| 09:26:41 | scorche | no |
| 09:26:46 | JerryLange | vmware seems harder |
| 09:26:49 | GodEater | hrm |
| 09:26:58 | qwm | hehe. |
| 09:27:01 | scorche | JerryLange: in regard to what? |
| 09:27:36 | JerryLange | all i want to do is build my own build and once in awhile run patches |
| 09:27:49 | JerryLange | compile my own build if thats better |
| 09:27:51 | morrijr | lots of folks appear to have issues with the cygwin installer - strange, over 6 different internet connections I never have... |
| 09:27:58 | scorche | most people consider vmware to be much easier and faster than cygwin |
| 09:28:04 | GodEater | cygwin is just all round sucky |
| 09:28:14 | GodEater | and the vmware image is definitely faster |
| 09:28:27 | morrijr | assuming you can use vmware in a corp environment... |
| 09:28:33 | LinusN | funny, i have installed cygwin + rockbox dev on numerous computers without any problems |
| 09:28:42 | morrijr | (esp to run something other than windows) |
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| 09:28:51 | GodEater | morrijr: why you be able to use cygwin and not vmware player ? |
| 09:28:58 | morrijr | legacy |
| 09:28:59 | GodEater | the former is far more invasive than the latter |
| 09:29:09 | morrijr | cygwin invasive? How? |
| 09:29:15 | B4gder | GodEater: cygwin opens a smaller windows and is easier to hide on the screen? ;-) |
| 09:29:17 | JerryLange | but to install patches on vmware i just follow the instructions on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 09:29:18 | scorche | in tersm of installation |
| 09:29:21 | GodEater | B4gder: hehehehe |
| 09:29:28 | GodEater | morrijr: count the files it installs :) |
| 09:29:37 | scorche | JerryLange: compiling is basically the same either route |
| 09:29:47 | morrijr | in one directory - how many do you get within the virtual drive? |
| 09:29:51 | morrijr | big deal. |
| 09:30:25 | scorche | morrijr: 1 file |
| 09:30:46 | morrijr | scorche: no - that's the virtual drive. How many does it have. |
| 09:30:55 | scorche | how many does what have? |
| 09:30:58 | JerryLange | well ill try vmware hopefully i can get it to work correctly |
| 09:31:14 | GodEater | morrijr: it doesn't matter, as far as a windows admin is concerned that ONE file is easy to get rid of |
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| 09:31:27 | morrijr | GodEater: and registry settings? |
| 09:31:42 | morrijr | GodEater: and the application to run it? |
| 09:31:55 | scorche | morrijr: now it just seems liek you are arguing for the sake of arguing... |
| 09:31:57 | morrijr | *shrug* academic anyway |
| 09:32:03 | amiconn | vmware is certainly more invasive to a windows install than cygwin |
| 09:32:23 | morrijr | scorche: no, I dev some of cygwin and *can* install it, and can't install vmware. |
| 09:32:37 | * | GodEater would be surprised to find a big corp that doesn't allow vmware these days |
| 09:32:45 | scorche | why can you not install vmware? |
| 09:32:57 | scorche | GodEater: more and more are using it internally too.. |
| 09:33:17 | morrijr | against corp policy on individual boxes - 'they' can't see what's installed on that OS so won't allow us to use it. |
| 09:33:24 | GodEater | scorche: exactly - there's a HUGE VMWare infrastructure here |
| 09:33:49 | scorche | morrijr: well, that is just one corp policy... |
| 09:33:51 | B4gder | big corps forbid all sorts of stuff just as precautions |
| 09:33:51 | JerryLange | well i have windows so it sounds like vmware would be better for me |
| 09:34:15 | scorche | anyway, this is offtopic, and should be moved to -community if you are going to discuss it further |
| 09:35:02 | morrijr | sorry - it just bugs me when people complain without having anything to really back their complaints up. |
| 09:35:17 | scorche | there is plenty to back it up... |
| 09:35:23 | morrijr | OT |
| 09:36:16 | GodEater | I'm not ragging on cygwin per se - I'd prefer it over no POSIX env. at all - but I prefer the vmware image. That's all. |
| 09:36:37 | * | B4gder offers a coffee refill around the channel |
| 09:36:59 | * | GodEater takes the offer |
| 09:37:15 | morrijr | again, sorry, but from within the cygwin community it appears to be like that sometimes. Bit like people who complain about Rockbox but don't offer any solutions I suppose |
| 09:37:19 | Zagor | ooh, coffee! |
| 09:37:30 | * | morrijr I'll get in there too. |
| 09:37:58 | JerryLange | when i power off my ipod the screen flashes to white right before it shuts off. is this normal? |
| 09:38:19 | B4gder | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/09/14/flash_memory_makers_propose_ufs/ |
| 09:38:32 | morrijr | GodEater: scorche: if you've any suggestions to improve the cygwin situ, please /msg me |
| 09:38:52 | GodEater | or you could come to -community |
| 09:38:53 | GodEater | :) |
| 09:39:00 | morrijr | ack |
| 09:39:01 | scorche | morrijr: you can always join #rockbox-community.. |
| 09:40:23 | Zagor | B4gder: yay, another card! :) |
| 09:40:55 | B4gder | hehe, yes |
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| 09:41:41 | JerryLange | is it supposed to flash white like that? |
| 09:42:36 | B4gder | it? flash? how? |
| 09:42:59 | JerryLange | goes to black screen like its off. then WHITE then back to off |
| 09:43:29 | JerryLange | actually its to shutting off screen....WHITE...then black |
| 09:50:25 | | Part cool_walking_ |
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| 09:57:11 | Ebert | jerrylange, its normal |
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| 09:57:59 | JerryLange | well i will get vmware and try to complie my own build. wish me luck. |
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| 10:15:28 | B4gder | unboxing pictures are so totally boring, we need ripped-apart pictures (ipod touch) |
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| 10:17:47 | GodEater | B4gder: I don't understand the mentality of people who think unboxing is worth documenting with pictures |
| 10:18:03 | B4gder | no, it is hard to understand |
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| 10:18:26 | ddalton | Who here knows about vb scripting? |
| 10:18:34 | B4gder | "and look today I bought 2 liters of milk and some bread that I'll now unbox on video" |
| 10:19:12 | scorche | oooooooooo.....ahhhhhhhhhh |
| 10:19:14 | GodEater | ddalton: it's best just to ask your question :) |
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| 10:19:56 | ddalton | ok who can help me modify voicebox so it will include file extensions in the .talk clip? |
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| 10:20:21 | GodEater | it doesn't do that already ? |
| 10:20:24 | * | GodEater is surprised |
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| 10:20:49 | Llorean | As it is "voicebox" only creates talk clips for files with certain extensions, I believe. |
| 10:20:53 | ddalton | no it just voices "File" not "File.extension" |
| 10:21:05 | Llorean | And doesn't include them, it's really more intended to just voice the names of music files I think |
| 10:21:09 | ddalton | It even has a comment saying to strip the file extension |
| 10:21:12 | ddalton | in the script |
| 10:21:56 | ddalton | that's very easy to modify I can make it voice all files. But I want it to say for example "File.txt" not just "file" |
| 10:22:10 | ddalton | actually not all files but what ever extensions I tell it to |
| 10:22:25 | ddalton | of course I am talking about a text file there. |
| 10:22:42 | Llorean | I think that voicebox might do with some added interactivity. An option for all files, all music, all "supported" (playlists, text, etc), and with or without extension. |
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| 10:24:15 | GodEater | ddalton: you want it to say "filename dot em pee three" for example ? |
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| 10:24:58 | ddalton | GodEater: exactly |
| 10:26:07 | * | GodEater looks at voicebox, and can't quite work out where the extension is being stripped |
| 10:26:47 | GodEater | ah - it's in VoiceCheck |
| 10:27:02 | ddalton | what is "VoiceCheck"? |
| 10:27:21 | GodEater | it's a function in the voiceUtils.vbs file |
| 10:27:31 | GodEater | you need to comment out the two lines which start : |
| 10:27:37 | GodEater | LastDot = |
| 10:27:46 | GodEater | ClipSpeak = Left |
| 10:27:51 | GodEater | which follow each other in the file |
| 10:28:26 | GodEater | I don't think the "dot" will get voiced though |
| 10:28:39 | GodEater | unless you do some more work in TextToMP3() |
| 10:28:59 | GodEater | since that replaces all occurences of "." with a space |
| 10:30:23 | * | ddalton is trying what GodEater said. |
| 10:32:37 | ddalton | GodEater: Working as expected. I just need to figure out how to get the . spoken |
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| 10:36:18 | ddalton | Thanks it now even says the dot. Maybe I should make this a setting and then either put it in the tracker or on the wiki. |
| 10:36:26 | ddalton | what one wiki or tracker? |
| 10:37:11 | GodEater | ddalton: you need to check that your solution for speaking the dot doesn't just remove the "Replace()" call |
| 10:37:21 | GodEater | because you only want to speak the *last* dot in the filename |
| 10:37:29 | GodEater | and leave the rest alone |
| 10:39:25 | ddalton | why can't we just speak "." all the time? If a folder has a . for example .rockbox I like to here .rockbox not rockbox. |
| 10:39:32 | ddalton | Comments? |
| 10:40:49 | GodEater | ddalton: um. Your choice I suppose. It's just Voicebox currently goes out of it's way not to speak all those special characters |
| 10:41:06 | GodEater | I'm not really in a position to pass judgement though, as I don't use it much |
| 10:42:23 | ddalton | I like it saying all those characters. Should I just put it on the wiki and if people start complaining I will just remove it? |
| 10:42:36 | GodEater | you could put it in as another version, and leave the old one there too |
| 10:42:40 | GodEater | that should please everyone :) |
| 10:42:45 | ddalton | hereing nothing for a - for example isn't useful. |
| 10:42:56 | ddalton | ok I will do that. |
| 10:43:03 | ddalton | That is just my opinion. |
| 10:43:05 | ddalton | about the - |
| 10:43:30 | GodEater | I think your opinion is valid - you use it more than me :) |
| 10:44:17 | ddalton | ok so now I just need to write an if statement to check if file extensions should be voiced? |
| 10:44:52 | ddalton | while I am at it should I just provide voice for all the extensions I can think of? |
| 10:44:59 | ddalton | adn see what people say? |
| 10:45:02 | ddalton | and |
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| 10:49:59 | GodEater | ddalton: that's a good idea |
| 10:52:34 | ddalton | one quick question. How do I end an if in vb script? |
| 10:52:42 | ddalton | and is "else" ok? |
| 10:53:07 | GodEater | else is ok |
| 10:53:13 | GodEater | you end an if with "End If" |
| 10:53:22 | ddalton | is it "EndIf" to end an if? |
| 10:53:30 | GodEater | there's a space I think |
| 10:53:34 | ddalton | ok you answered me sorry. |
| 10:53:46 | GodEater | no problem ;) |
| 10:55:36 | * | amiconn never uses .talk clips for files, just for folders |
| 10:55:49 | * | ddalton Does! |
| 10:56:07 | * | ddalton Is testing my code! |
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| 10:56:24 | GodEater | amiconn: I don't either - but then I'm not blind |
| 10:56:53 | Llorean | Would it be possible to do something like .talk clips as we've done with icons? |
| 10:57:09 | Llorean | For example, with spelled folders and files, it would say a quick "Folder" then start spelling, or "Song" and then start spelling? |
| 10:57:16 | * | ddalton Has broken something. |
| 10:57:34 | GodEater | Llorean: of course it would be possible ;) |
| 10:57:54 | Llorean | Okay, more along the lines of "Would it make sense / be useful to someone or a large group of someones to..." |
| 10:58:14 | GodEater | that's a tougher question to answer, and only those people that use it would be able to answer |
| 10:58:43 | ddalton | what is the question? |
| 10:59:04 | amiconn | I agree that it would be more useful to speak the file type first (both for spelling and file numbers) |
| 10:59:13 | GodEater | Llorean is asking whether you'd find it useful to have the filename prefixed with either "Folder" or "Song" depending on what it is when Voicebox annouces it |
| 10:59:32 | ddalton | see p7653 |
| 10:59:35 | amiconn | The file type is the only reason I use file voicing at all (just numbers) in the car |
| 10:59:39 | Llorean | amiconn: I was thinking "type" as in category rather than extension, since you can have that prevoiced more readily. |
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| 11:00:04 | amiconn | Yes, as the types are currently handled |
| 11:00:38 | amiconn | All extensions supported by playback are currently voiced as type "audio" |
| 11:00:52 | ddalton | that would slow navigation down when using .talk clips. But deffinetly a good idea for spelling |
| 11:01:17 | * | ddalton wonders if anyone looked at p7653 |
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| 11:08:21 | ddalton | ok now I have got it working with the option in the ini file. But there a couple of problems: |
| 11:08:55 | ddalton | There is no tick box for voice file extensions. And there are 2 tick boxes for voice folders |
| 11:09:21 | ddalton | and one is ticked or unticked depending on the setting in the ini file. Does anyone know what needs to be done now? |
| 11:11:10 | GodEater | ddalton: I think that stuff is in the voiceBox.hta file - unfortunately I know nothing about that file format (beyond the fact that it's a mix of html / script) |
| 11:11:29 | ddalton | ok I will look for examples. |
| 11:11:33 | GodEater | good luck |
| 11:11:35 | ddalton | hopefully it won't be to hard |
| 11:11:43 | ddalton | thanks |
| 11:11:56 | ddalton | is that all that nees modifying? |
| 11:12:29 | GodEater | I believe so |
| 11:12:32 | GodEater | but don't hold me to that |
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| 11:38:23 | B4gder | looks like there's finally a nice dual-boot x5 bootloader patch pending |
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| 11:40:31 | Llorean | B4gder: By "nice" you mean "doesn't use bits of the flash?" |
| 11:40:33 | Llorean | Is it in the tracker? |
| 11:40:45 | B4gder | yes, 5289 I believe |
| 11:41:09 | B4gder | I just read the description |
| 11:41:15 | B4gder | didn't actually test it |
| 11:41:22 | Llorean | Ah, old task, new patch? |
| 11:41:27 | ddalton | GodEater: Can you see if you can work out the format of the tar file? |
| 11:41:31 | B4gder | seems so |
| 11:42:03 | ddalton | or does anyone know how it works? How do I add another check box after voice file names and get it to check the ini file to see if it is true or false |
| 11:42:08 | Llorean | He's been using it for 9 months?! |
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| 11:42:25 | B4gder | that's quite some testing time ;-) |
| 11:42:29 | Llorean | Yeah... |
| 11:42:39 | Llorean | I mean, isn't the last reason to use the OF now "USBOTG"? |
| 11:42:47 | GodEater | ddalton: what tar file? |
| 11:43:09 | bluebrother | ddalton: tar is a really simple format. What do you want to do? |
| 11:43:56 | ddalton | voicebox. |
| 11:44:30 | ddalton | bluebrother: I want to add a check box that checks to see what the setting is in the ini file and tick it if it is true. |
| 11:45:02 | GodEater | I think you mean the .hta file don't you ? |
| 11:45:04 | GodEater | not a tar file |
| 11:45:28 | * | bluebrother remembers his tar themes loader |
| 11:45:47 | bluebrother | guess that's pretty much out of date now. Maybe I should revive it? |
| 11:46:25 | GodEater | bluebrother: yes you should! |
| 11:46:59 | bluebrother | you think so? But then I should think about the speed penalty it created due to the unordered files. |
| 11:47:00 | ddalton | sorry... screenreader doesn't say that sorry for the confusion. |
| 11:47:27 | ddalton | could rockbox handle tgz files or zip files? Could we write a plugin to do this? |
| 11:47:44 | ddalton | who wrote voicebox? |
| 11:47:46 | dionoea | it can't |
| 11:47:51 | dionoea | but it can be written. |
| 11:47:58 | bluebrother | ddalton: I wrote a plugin that extracts tar files. It isn't hard. |
| 11:48:13 | dionoea | with zlib support ? |
| 11:48:22 | ddalton | really? so it could extract a tar file to any dir on the player? |
| 11:48:25 | bluebrother | check FS #6156 −− it extracts tar files that contain theme files |
| 11:48:36 | ddalton | so only theam files? |
| 11:49:00 | GodEater | ddalton: can you think of another use for them ? |
| 11:49:04 | bluebrother | not generic, no. I wanted to have packaged theme files and haven't seen a reason to support generic tar extraction |
| 11:49:12 | * | amiconn thinks .zip support would be more interesting |
| 11:49:13 | ddalton | for what? |
| 11:49:20 | bluebrother | and tar isn't compressed, which makes it really easy |
| 11:49:45 | bluebrother | implementing zip would be harder ... and I still don't see any advantage over tar. |
| 11:50:11 | bluebrother | (as you need to handle with compression too) |
| 11:50:42 | GodEater | I agree tar would be a better format to support |
| 11:51:20 | amiconn | zip is more cross platform than tar, and it's compressed |
| 11:51:24 | Llorean | ZIP might be useful for other things too |
| 11:51:56 | bluebrother | tar works flawlessly on platforms like windows. And you still can compress it if you want to |
| 11:51:57 | Llorean | Some of the emulator audio formats are often compressed, though I think RAR is the common. |
| 11:52:38 | bluebrother | the problem I see with zip is that you always need to deal with compression. |
| 11:52:54 | bluebrother | rar is common? Never seen that much. |
| 11:53:16 | Llorean | Rar is common among certain strange crowds. |
| 11:53:51 | ddalton | could we find an open source extracting program and port it to rb? |
| 11:53:53 | Llorean | For example it's common to compress an game's worth of SPC files into a RAR, with extension RSN, because you can get something like 7 to 1, or higher, compression. |
| 11:53:59 | ddalton | as a plugin of course |
| 11:54:16 | bluebrother | well, we might be a strange crowd here but not in that terms ;) |
| 11:54:24 | ddalton | rar? is that only for win rar? |
| 11:54:43 | B4gder | rar is not an open format |
| 11:54:45 | jbit | zip has a whole bunch of compression methods which makes it harder to read than say gz which is only one method... although there are a whole bunch of libraries for dealing with zip :) |
| 11:55:01 | jbit | B4gder: eh? |
| 11:55:45 | B4gder | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAR_%28file_format%29 |
| 11:55:45 | ddalton | ok I found the line Dim Overwrite_dotTalk, Overwrite_dotWav, RemoveWav, VoiceFolders, VoiceFiles |
| 11:56:03 | ddalton | should I add my option name that is in the ini file? |
| 11:57:29 | jbit | B4gder: ah, only decompression is 'open' |
| 11:57:37 | B4gder | yes |
| 11:57:53 | B4gder | rar really is best avoided imho |
| 11:58:48 | jbit | maybe, at least decompression is open... but having it as the only compression format supported would be troublesome :P |
| 11:59:28 | GodEater | isn't there an option with zip to use no compression at all ? |
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| 12:00:09 | jbit | yes it's possible, but i don't think requiring users to do that is a good idea :P |
| 12:01:38 | ddalton | can someone just edit the hta file for me if I upload it? I have done the rest. |
| 12:03:01 | ddalton | GodEater: Do you know about vb script? |
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| 12:04:07 | GodEater | ddalton: not really |
| 12:04:13 | bluebrother | GodEater: there already was an attempt −− see FS #5002 |
| 12:04:51 | ddalton | GodEater: Could you try and work out the hta file? it is a bit of vb script and html I think. |
| 12:05:10 | GodEater | ddalton: not got time now - sorry |
| 12:05:28 | ddalton | ok I will keep trying. |
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| 12:07:12 | SofRaZorbacK | hello guys |
| 12:07:19 | Llorean | bluebrother: Wasn't one of the problems with .tar themes an issue of order within the file? |
| 12:07:33 | ddalton | Hi, How did you go with that translation? |
| 12:07:35 | bluebrother | yes. It resulted in a noticeable speed penalty |
| 12:07:53 | Llorean | bluebrother: Would it be possible for RBUtil to "package" the themes? |
| 12:07:59 | SofRaZorbacK | ddalton: not sure for the moemt got to compile and test |
| 12:08:07 | Llorean | bluebrother: Thus making sure they're in the right order? |
| 12:08:15 | scorche | Llorean: eventually, the themes site will do that |
| 12:08:20 | ddalton | you should probably try building a voice file as well as compiling. |
| 12:08:27 | bluebrother | because of this I created the installer plugin as immediate solution. Ultimately, the theme loader should load the files in the order they appear in the tar |
| 12:08:42 | SofRaZorbacK | ddalton: your right :) |
| 12:09:11 | bluebrother | so IMO we _could_ easily migrate to using tar for themes and let the users extract them on the player using the plugin |
| 12:09:20 | ddalton | as long as you filled in between the quotes the right string for it to voice it will work. |
| 12:09:22 | bluebrother | adding tar handling to rbutil shouldn't be much work. |
| 12:09:42 | SofRaZorbacK | just aquestio: when i modify a file, as a lang file, and they i chek out the source via svn, is the file updated, are my modifs lost? |
| 12:09:54 | dionoea | modifications are merged |
| 12:10:00 | dionoea | so you never lose anything |
| 12:10:03 | ddalton | Also if that works create a diff and send it to me so I can upload it. Or you can upload it your self. |
| 12:10:38 | dionoea | (if it can't figure out how to merge ... it doesn't merge and lets you do it yourself) |
| 12:10:46 | ddalton | to the tracker of course. |
| 12:10:46 | Llorean | scorche: The advantage of having rbutil pack/unpack themes is that 1) People won't be trying to .tar them themselves (give themes a specific extension) and 2) People can unpackage, modify, package, and submit a modified theme etc. |
| 12:11:12 | SofRaZorbacK | ddalton ok thx for the info, i'll let you know |
| 12:11:16 | ddalton | don't check out svn or run svn up until it is working and then make your diff. |
| 12:11:21 | SofRaZorbacK | and ok for the merging |
| 12:11:48 | ddalton | it should be ok. |
| 12:11:57 | ddalton | do you know how to create a diff? |
| 12:12:19 | bluebrother | Llorean: having the files in the tar in the "wrong" order would only result in a speed penalty, so it would still work. |
| 12:12:33 | scorche | Llorean: and what about all the information gathered byt the themes site that is made into the text files (one for the site, one for the zip)...do you think rbutil should do that too? |
| 12:12:35 | SofRaZorbacK | gottta lett you all |
| 12:12:42 | SofRaZorbacK | thx for all the advice |
| 12:13:07 | bluebrother | scorche: we could think about a "theme submission plugin" to rbutil. Once we support plugins ;) |
| 12:14:13 | scorche | i see...we would have to duplicate the creation process for the themes site as well then, as i dont think people should be forced to use rbutil to submit themes |
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| 12:19:47 | Llorean | scorche: I agree, people shouldn't be forced. |
| 12:19:54 | Llorean | But an easy method for submissions wouldn't be too bad. |
| 12:20:07 | scorche | "easy" |
| 12:20:08 | scorche | =) |
| 12:20:31 | bluebrother | has Rockbox become easy? ;) |
| 12:20:45 | Llorean | How 'bout "streamlined"? |
| 12:21:03 | Llorean | But the other thing is, the package option should be available for users who don't make use of rb-themes.org |
| 12:21:17 | Llorean | And for users who don't want to get to know this strange "tar" program |
| 12:21:18 | Llorean | :-P |
| 12:21:59 | bluebrother | a theme creation plugin could allow the user to save or submit the resulting file |
| 12:22:40 | Llorean | Yup |
| 12:22:50 | scorche | well, if we are going to be switching to tar in the near future, the themes site would be better off waiting for that before going live....it would make things simpler |
| 12:23:05 | bluebrother | maybe it even wouldn't be too hard to also allow checking the wps for error |
| 12:23:40 | bluebrother | IMO the theme site should go live asap |
| 12:24:02 | bluebrother | as I bet it will take quite a while until that switch will happen ... if it will happen |
| 12:24:09 | scorche | alright |
| 12:24:21 | * | scorche has a lot of code cleanup to do... |
| 12:24:28 | bluebrother | oh, that much? |
| 12:24:39 | scorche | well, before i put it into svn at least |
| 12:25:12 | scorche | i think it uses pretty much every combination of whitespace and brace positioning possible... |
| 12:25:30 | bluebrother | may I suggest running indent? ;) |
| 12:26:18 | scorche | will that work for php? |
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| 12:26:29 | kclaf | oops |
| 12:26:34 | bluebrother | I think so. |
| 12:26:35 | kclaf | wrong button |
| 12:26:43 | kclaf | I'm sorry |
| 12:27:39 | scorche | bluebrother: i just see it mention C and C++..../me googles |
| 12:28:00 | GodEater | it does all sorts of styles |
| 12:28:13 | scorche | ugh...indent is a horrid name for an app...makes searching useless |
| 12:28:26 | GodEater | man indent |
| 12:28:44 | scorche | i did...only mentions C and C++ as i said |
| 12:29:01 | sbeh | kclaf: die please :] |
| 12:29:24 | * | kclaf dies |
| 12:29:33 | GodEater | scorche: just try it on a backup of your php ? |
| 12:29:43 | scorche | i suppose |
| 12:29:59 | bluebrother | you need to disable inserting spaces after braces |
| 12:30:09 | bluebrother | I got "< ?php" here −− urgh |
| 12:30:10 | ddalton | Ok I just need to fix the hta file and I can post an update to voicebox. |
| 12:30:12 | * | scorche puts that on the list for things to hopw to do tomorrow |
| 12:30:16 | ddalton | but I don't know how! |
| 12:31:18 | scorche | bluebrother: well, if that is the only oddity, that is easily fixed after the program is run.. |
| 12:34:11 | Llorean | scorche: http://pear.php.net/package/PHP_Beautifier |
| 12:34:43 | * | bluebrother bookmarks page |
| 12:34:47 | * | ddalton Might be making some progress :-) |
| 12:35:48 | scorche | thanks...i shall check that out |
| 12:55:45 | * | pixelma makes sure she didn't exclude doom for all targets, only additionally for the c200 before committing the patch ;) |
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| 12:59:06 | markun | pixelma: disabling doom would take away the reason most ipod users seem to install rockbox in the first place :) |
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| 13:00:50 | ddalton | can someone take a look at this and tell me why the hta page has two check boxes called the same. ddalton/voiceBox.zip">http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/voiceBox.zip |
| 13:01:29 | ddalton | can someone tell me what dume does? |
| 13:01:39 | Llorean | ddalton: It's a game. |
| 13:01:44 | ddalton | I don't feel like reading about just a breafe description would be nice. |
| 13:01:46 | Llorean | ddalton: D O O M. |
| 13:01:49 | ddalton | reading the manual |
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| 13:02:01 | ddalton | ok sorry what is it? |
| 13:02:05 | ddalton | doom |
| 13:02:29 | Llorean | It's a game. Run around and shoot things. |
| 13:02:30 | ddalton | anyone having a look at my script? |
| 13:02:42 | ddalton | ok no good for a blind guy! |
| 13:02:45 | Llorean | Pretty much impossible to make accessible |
| 13:02:49 | ddalton | yep |
| 13:02:56 | in-jane | i have one problem. i had 12 albums on my sansa e260. after i add one new album, i tried to update the database gut i didn't find the new album. then i selected to Initialize the database and rebooted. after that i saw ONLY the new album on database. after that, i tried to update, nothing happened. Then i decided to nitialize it again, rebooted, and now i see those old albums but not the new one :D. what i am doing wrong? |
| 13:02:59 | Llorean | Though I've encountered *one* of such games that was done so through very careful use of surround sound. |
| 13:03:13 | Justcameron | hey peoples |
| 13:03:43 | ddalton | Ok I will ask on the dev list. am I likely to get help there? |
| 13:04:54 | GodEater | ddalton: as likely there as anywhere |
| 13:05:02 | Justcameron | can anyone tell me how I can back up my ipod firmware before installing Loader 2? |
| 13:05:25 | * | ddalton Wonders why no one wants to talk to me! |
| 13:05:31 | Llorean | Justcameron: This is #Rockbox not #Ipodlinux |
| 13:05:58 | Justcameron | Llorean: okay, I'll try there, thanks |
| 13:06:06 | bluebrother | ddalton: I guess you'll reach more people who could help |
| 13:06:18 | ddalton | /join #ipodlinux and use ipod updater once your done! to restore it |
| 13:06:26 | Llorean | ddalton: 1) You're asking for help with something not from SVN, so many people aren't familiar with it. 2) Even people who are familiar with it, may not know the language it's in. |
| 13:06:33 | markun | Justcameron: but I would think that you can backup your ipod by simply copying everything, no? |
| 13:06:48 | Llorean | markun: No, the original firmware's kept in a hidden partition. |
| 13:07:01 | bluebrother | you still can copy that ;) |
| 13:07:02 | markun | ah, the firmware.. missed that |
| 13:07:05 | ddalton | it is #ipodlinux sorry |
| 13:07:09 | Llorean | The most direct method is to use dd to make a copy of that partition, but it's several times the size of what you "need" |
| 13:07:45 | bluebrother | afaik you don't need to backup that as you can simply write the image file apple provides later |
| 13:08:04 | ddalton | ok I will do that. |
| 13:08:14 | ddalton | I was joking before anyway. |
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| 13:08:34 | Llorean | bluebrother: Yeah, unless for some reason you want to preserve an older, or specific, version (or one modified with iPodWizard) |
| 13:09:09 | * | delYsid just posted FS #7779 |
| 13:09:14 | * | bluebrother leaves for lunch |
| 13:09:34 | delYsid | ha, I love this hack, it sounds so, erm, professional :-) |
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| 13:10:21 | Llorean | delYsid: It seems like it should be two patches. |
| 13:10:31 | Llorean | One for talking frequencies, and another for jingle support. |
| 13:11:48 | delYsid | well, one depends on the other, so I just merged them. |
| 13:12:16 | Llorean | Yes, but if the devs decide they want one, and not the other, or want one now but the other needs improvement, the way things stand they may just both be rejected until they're rewritten. |
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| 13:12:29 | Llorean | It's better to keep separate features as separate patches, and just leave a comment that one depends on the other |
| 13:12:55 | delYsid | Llorean: please comment to the patch if you have any technical problems with the implementation... |
| 13:13:15 | delYsid | hmm, I kind of get your point, yes. |
| 13:13:28 | Llorean | It's more of project policy than anything |
| 13:13:31 | ddalton | is mlang) around? |
| 13:13:39 | ddalton | mlang that should be |
| 13:13:39 | Llorean | Separate features belong as separate patches. |
| 13:13:40 | delYsid | ddalton: yyes, thats me |
| 13:14:05 | delYsid | Llorean: for me, its not really a separate feature, I needed something to announce stations. If no jingle is found, I still get the frequency spoken... |
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| 13:14:40 | ddalton | can you read my comment I just posted? |
| 13:14:51 | delYsid | let see |
| 13:15:00 | Llorean | delYsid: Yes, but they are definitely separate features. Speaking the frequency is an extension of existing voice functionality. Jingles are an entire new features. |
| 13:16:15 | ddalton | I am talking about fs#7779 |
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| 13:16:52 | ddalton | have you read it? |
| 13:17:07 | delYsid | ddalton: 6331 changes all sorts of things, I think that patch ois outdated. |
| 13:17:20 | delYsid | mine just adds a few lines without changing the language file at all... |
| 13:17:23 | pixelma | hmm... seems like doom is possible (it compiles), I just doubt it's much fun on a 136x80 pixels "big" display |
| 13:18:04 | pixelma | for the Sansa c200 that is |
| 13:18:10 | delYsid | Llorean: not quite, because jingles just uses the underlying talk api, it pretends the jingle is a thumbnail... |
| 13:18:42 | delYsid | pixelma: on my e280, doom crashes when I select "play Game" |
| 13:18:42 | ddalton | Did you see the last comment? |
| 13:18:47 | ddalton | BTW Are you blind? |
| 13:18:49 | Llorean | delYsid: Yes, but thumbnails are for individual *files* traditionally. You're adding a new system. |
| 13:19:00 | delYsid | ddalton: yes, I am. |
| 13:19:13 | Llorean | delYsid: They are distinct enough to be two features, "voice frequencies" and "Station thumbnails" |
| 13:19:32 | delYsid | Llorean: well, I use that patch, just wanted to post it for others. |
| 13:19:35 | Llorean | Especially since voicing frequencies is universally useful, while station thumbnails is only useful for someone who sets it up. |
| 13:19:48 | Llorean | delYsid: The whole point of the tracker is to post things desired to be included. And the tracker has a policy. |
| 13:20:50 | delYsid | Llorean: so, what do you want me to do, delete the item, resubmit two others and split the patch up including dependencies. That sounds a little like jumping through hoops for such a simple patch. |
| 13:21:08 | delYsid | every capable dev can easily separate the two ideas if they want to commit them separately |
| 13:21:22 | Llorean | delYsid: Or you could just split the patch into a stand-alone frequency patch, a jingle one that is dependent on it, and add them as comments |
| 13:21:37 | Llorean | delYsid: Then, in the future, follow guidelines for posting to the tracker instead of choosing to decide that you don't need to. |
| 13:21:38 | ddalton | delYsid: Are you going to make any other plugins talk? |
| 13:21:48 | ddalton | like maybe the stop watch? |
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| 13:22:11 | pixelma | delYsid: it runs (in the sim) - I just can't read anything in the game menu |
| 13:22:16 | Llorean | delYsid: Stating "Every capable dev can do it" is fine, but that doesn't give you license to ignore the guidelines we ask submitters to follow. By that statement, you're capable, so go ahead. |
| 13:22:18 | delYsid | ddalton: I have already made all sorts of plugins talk. |
| 13:22:21 | B4gder | delYsid: what capable devs can or not is not really what matters, but that there are a whole lot more people posting patches than who apply them so the ones who post them need to make lifer easier for those who commit |
| 13:22:26 | ddalton | What are the guide lines. Where are they written? |
| 13:22:28 | pixelma | maxkelley: you around? |
| 13:22:40 | delYsid | ddalton: but my modifications are not particularily welcome here, so I'll keep them to myself I guess... |
| 13:22:44 | ddalton | what ones? |
| 13:23:03 | delYsid | the metronome for instance |
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| 13:23:29 | ddalton | can you post all your patches or email them to me so I don't have to re do work that has already been done? |
| 13:23:42 | delYsid | chessbox is also fully voiced now, including menus. I have a blind friend who uses this since I wrote it to play chess in the train... |
| 13:23:56 | ddalton | can you email them to me then? |
| 13:24:23 | delYsid | ddalton: sure, I can drop your the whole thing in a mail, whats your address? |
| 13:24:42 | ddalton | daniel.dalton47@gmail.com |
| 13:24:43 | Llorean | delYsid: What's the tracker entry for this "unwelcome" patch? |
| 13:25:20 | ddalton | delYsid also do you know about voicebox? |
| 13:25:42 | delYsid | B4gder: yes, I've been doing project management as well in the past... but this case is just too simple to warrant all the complains. |
| 13:26:21 | B4gder | :-) |
| 13:26:26 | delYsid | Llorean: 7704 (the second patch that was uploaded by ddalton since it "splits" the basic functionality out of the chessbox addition) |
| 13:26:31 | Llorean | delYsid: It's not a case of how simple it is. It's a case of "There are rules, you don't get to pick when you can ignore them." |
| 13:26:44 | Llorean | delYsid: If the patch were two lines, or two thousand, I'd be saying the same thing: Two features, two patches. |
| 13:27:49 | delYsid | Llorean: for me, its not "two" features, I am blind, so I need announcements, if I dont have jingles I need frequencies... if only the jingle part were applied, that would not help me much, I'd still need to patch locally. |
| 13:28:18 | Llorean | delYsid: Yes, but the frequency voicing is very, very clearly a stand alone feature. |
| 13:28:22 | ddalton | delYsid: have you sent it? |
| 13:28:40 | Llorean | delYsid: You're intentionally choosing to put them in an order that one is useless without the other, but frequency voicing could very well be added without jingles. |
| 13:28:49 | Llorean | delYsid: Honestly, I'd settle for even "I'll be more careful in the future" but you've stated you seem to think you get to choose if this guideline doesn't apply to you. |
| 13:28:53 | delYsid | ddalton: not yet :-) |
| 13:29:25 | delYsid | Llorean: I will try to be more careful in the future. |
| 13:29:59 | Llorean | The point of this whole thing was to make you aware that there is a guideline, and that if something can be separated into features (even if one "feature" is dependent on another) it probably should be. |
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| 13:34:38 | * | Llorean wonders at the intended use for the XML plugin |
| 13:35:25 | B4gder | DAISY-support |
| 13:35:37 | Llorean | Ah |
| 13:37:14 | Zagor | http://www.palantir.net/2001/tma1/wav/daisy.wav |
| 13:37:34 | delYsid | ddalton: sent. use at your own risk... |
| 13:40:50 | ddalton | thanks for the patch |
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| 13:44:07 | ddalton | hmmm how big is the voice file? |
| 13:44:25 | delYsid | approx. 1.5MB here. |
| 13:44:45 | delYsid | no problem at all with my sansa, I actually use 22kHz mp3s which result in a 2MB voice file and it still works. |
| 13:44:49 | ddalton | ok not bad that's fine with me |
| 13:45:22 | ddalton | yeah it would but on the older targets 1.4 is about the max |
| 13:45:45 | delYsid | well, you can still lower the resampling rate of lame in your Makefile... |
| 13:46:21 | delYsid | Its sad that I have to do my one redistribution for blind friend s here, but well, thats the game.... |
| 13:47:06 | ddalton | what about the blind friend? |
| 13:47:22 | B4gder | delYsid: why do you have to do that? |
| 13:47:37 | delYsid | B4gder: because 7704 is apparently not going in... :-( |
| 13:47:55 | delYsid | so I do my own builds now for a couple of friends. |
| 13:48:10 | MethoS- | i made an ebuild for the rockboxutilqt, but I can't add it, cause rockbox.org doesn't let me log in, although I'm registered |
| 13:48:12 | B4gder | I agree its sad that things aren't done right |
| 13:48:45 | delYsid | B4gder: what, in particular? |
| 13:48:52 | B4gder | voicing of plugins |
| 13:49:12 | B4gder | this is a topic as old as the sun |
| 13:49:18 | MethoS- | so how can I put it on the website? |
| 13:49:37 | delYsid | B4gder: ahh, so I'll just give up and do my own mods then. |
| 13:50:01 | B4gder | delYsid: that's your choice, we don't make you go that route which you make it sound like |
| 13:50:10 | delYsid | it costs 2 times more energy to try to convince people here than to just code up what I need for myself... |
| 13:50:17 | B4gder | then do it RIGHT |
| 13:50:27 | B4gder | instead of hacking it in for you |
| 13:50:38 | B4gder | and we'll love it! |
| 13:50:39 | pixelma | Zagor: what would one have to pay for c200s in Sweden? |
| 13:51:27 | delYsid | B4gder: you know, open source, scratch your own itch and all that. |
| 13:51:39 | Zagor | pixelma: I paid ~550 SEK (EUR ~59)for a c250 2gb without radio |
| 13:51:44 | B4gder | delYsid: sure, but then don't whine when we don't accept it |
| 13:51:56 | ddalton | delYsid: can you send it to me as an attachment it seems to be failing here. What revision did you diff against? |
| 13:51:58 | delYsid | I'd like to do it right, but doing it *right* in this case means needless code and complication... a separate voice file for plugins would make the core quite a bit more complicated. |
| 13:52:14 | B4gder | it wouldn't have to be a separate file |
| 13:52:18 | delYsid | ddalton: latest, and it was an attachment. |
| 13:52:31 | delYsid | B4gder: what would it need to be then? |
| 13:52:35 | ddalton | since I am using a h300 I am happy with one big voice file but I know it won't ever get committed. |
| 13:52:52 | B4gder | delYsid: a way for the core to load parts of the file would be enough |
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| 13:52:56 | pixelma | MethoS-: did you read how to register/get write access in the wiki thoroughly |
| 13:52:58 | ddalton | was it sorry. tb doesn't tell me that with jfw. |
| 13:53:20 | pixelma | Zagor: ah, ok. Seems to be in the same range as here, hmmm.... |
| 13:53:22 | B4gder | delYsid: and if its needless, we don't need it so why do you need it? |
| 13:53:25 | ddalton | what is part 1.2? |
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| 13:53:56 | B4gder | pixelma: in general you (germany) have cheaper electronics than us in Sweden |
| 13:54:29 | delYsid | B4gder: because actually, for most plugin voicification we dont need to add that many strings... so the voice file doesnt get much bigger... |
| 13:54:33 | ddalton | o I see |
| 13:54:47 | MethoS- | I read it, but it seems like I missed some sentences |
| 13:55:02 | B4gder | delYsid: but we want a system that works for all plugins, for all languanges and for voicing. We don't want a hacking ad-hoc thing. |
| 13:55:02 | pixelma | B4gder: yes, forgot a bit about your taxes... |
| 13:55:20 | MethoS- | so: can I get write-premissions, please |
| 13:55:21 | B4gder | "hackish" even |
| 13:55:39 | pixelma | MethoS-: not as MethoS |
| 13:56:00 | MethoS- | ? |
| 13:56:03 | pixelma | (I assume that's you) |
| 13:57:04 | MethoS- | it is |
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| 13:58:01 | moos | Hello there |
| 13:58:58 | pixelma | MethoS-: we require you to make your wiki name out of the real name (without abbreviating too) |
| 13:59:39 | pixelma | "Your WikiName must be your real first and last name concatenated, like JohnSmith or SteveAnderson. It's not JohnS, SteveA or NinjaBoy." |
| 13:59:47 | MethoS- | i know |
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| 14:02:36 | pixelma | and how does MethoS fit there - or did you already registered following the guidelines, if so what wiki name is it? |
| 14:02:56 | MethoS- | I dont't get it... I gave information about my realname at registration |
| 14:03:12 | bluebrother | you need to use your real name as wiki name. |
| 14:03:26 | MethoS- | why is that?? |
| 14:03:35 | Zagor | new frontpage layout again. bring on the flames :) |
| 14:03:39 | bluebrother | because we require it. It's a project policy. |
| 14:04:20 | bluebrother | Zagor: much better. |
| 14:04:39 | B4gder | Zagor: those since-links need to go in there somewhere too, so many people ask for them |
| 14:04:49 | Zagor | B4gder: right, me fix |
| 14:04:52 | bluebrother | I was just about to ask about them ;) |
| 14:05:20 | * | B4gder spots that we have posts from Daniel x 3 in the mailing lists... |
| 14:06:45 | MethoS- | how can i change my wiki-name? it always says "acces denied", if I try to change something |
| 14:07:19 | B4gder | allow me |
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| 14:07:44 | DrAlex | Hello |
| 14:07:56 | B4gder | MethoS-: you're now ClemensWerther |
| 14:08:30 | MethoS- | thx |
| 14:08:39 | DrAlex | anybody can help me? |
| 14:08:56 | bluebrother | no. We don't know your problem. |
| 14:09:00 | MethoS- | true |
| 14:09:03 | bluebrother | unless you tell us, of course ... ;) |
| 14:09:53 | DrAlex | Well, I've MP4 Meizu M6, and i want know if i can instal Rorck box system? |
| 14:10:02 | bluebrother | short answer: no |
| 14:10:06 | B4gder | DrAlex: you just need to port rockbox to it first! |
| 14:10:09 | DrAlex | ahhh |
| 14:10:42 | DrAlex | what? i dont understand.. |
| 14:10:43 | bluebrother | long answer: Rockbox hasn't been ported to that player. Because of this it isn't advertised. You need to port it, see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort |
| 14:12:00 | bluebrother | Zagor: the centered news table looks nice. How about centering the logo too? |
| 14:12:10 | Zagor | I just did |
| 14:12:20 | * | bluebrother refreshes page |
| 14:12:23 | bluebrother | :) |
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| 14:14:07 | moos | zagor: why not an icon a bit bigger? |
| 14:14:24 | * | amiconn thinks the "what" and "where" columns should be swapped |
| 14:14:29 | Zagor | moos: icon? |
| 14:14:39 | moos | rockbox logo I meant |
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| 14:15:01 | aliask | Anyone here familiar with the way software usb is supposed to work in rockbox? |
| 14:15:14 | Zagor | amiconn: done |
| 14:15:48 | MethoS- | now I cant log in with my real name (without spaces) and my pw |
| 14:16:34 | Zagor | moos: I don't quite see an advantage of using a bigger logo. it only steals space we want for text. |
| 14:17:01 | bluebrother | isn't the logo big enough? Given you have a usual display resolution? |
| 14:17:26 | B4gder | MethoS-: hm, yeah I bet I confused it by renaming your user wiki page... |
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| 14:17:33 | Zagor | amiconn: it looks a bit weird in that order, but I guess that's just habit |
| 14:17:42 | BigBambiWork | :me performs a hit and run |
| 14:17:59 | preglow | hmm, i think the column widths should be somewhat artificially limited |
| 14:18:00 | moos | zagor: that was just an estetical thought, for make things more proportionnel |
| 14:18:09 | preglow | it's really tiresome to read them when they're 1600 pixels wide |
| 14:18:15 | BigBambiWork | D'oh - French keyboard |
| 14:18:28 | BigBambiWork | Zagor: Much better :) |
| 14:18:52 | moos | preglow: hi |
| 14:19:08 | B4gder | grrr, Zagor do you know in what file the twiki users htacccess is stored? |
| 14:19:24 | preglow | moos: hellos |
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| 14:20:11 | moos | preglow: did you encountered quality problems with some musepack files since your last commit? for ARM that is |
| 14:20:24 | preglow | moos: no, but i haven't used many musepack files since last |
| 14:20:35 | moos | I supose that people already reported this before |
| 14:20:41 | moos | ahh :( |
| 14:20:50 | preglow | reported before? |
| 14:20:52 | preglow | you have some? |
| 14:21:04 | B4gder | MethoS-: try again! |
| 14:21:07 | moos | yup, on ARM we lost quality |
| 14:21:10 | MethoS- | k |
| 14:21:13 | moos | @preglow |
| 14:21:32 | preglow | moos: sure, but do you have any where the quality loss is audible? |
| 14:21:42 | moos | preglow: encountered with gigabeat |
| 14:21:45 | MethoS- | worx |
| 14:21:53 | markun | hi moos! |
| 14:21:56 | preglow | moos: how does it sound? |
| 14:21:56 | moos | and the quality loss is very audible |
| 14:22:02 | Zagor | preglow: better? |
| 14:22:09 | moos | for some files bad |
| 14:22:17 | moos | salut markun |
| 14:22:29 | preglow | Zagor: oh yes |
| 14:22:49 | preglow | i hate having unused space on web pages, but too wide columns forces the eyes to go back and forward all the time, which gets tiring |
| 14:22:52 | moos | preglow: do you have an ARM target? |
| 14:23:01 | preglow | (this is why newspapers use multiple columns) |
| 14:23:04 | preglow | moos: sure |
| 14:23:24 | moos | then let me send you some test files |
| 14:23:32 | bluebrother | maybe just break the commit message at 80 characters? |
| 14:23:37 | moos | that sound fine on coldfire but not on ARM |
| 14:23:37 | preglow | moos: can't test now, though, but feel free to test |
| 14:23:44 | preglow | ehh |
| 14:23:44 | preglow | send |
| 14:23:45 | preglow | :D |
| 14:23:55 | bluebrother | IIRC there was some "soft break" entity in html |
| 14:24:38 | moos | I simply canot listen to some mpc files on my gigabeat since this commit, that's strange that no one reported this before |
| 14:25:13 | Zagor | breaking floating text looks really bad when you have smaller screen. you get wraps everywhere. soft wrap is not cross-browser supported iirc. |
| 14:25:27 | moos | preglow: are the musepack users as rare as this? :) |
| 14:25:39 | Zagor | isn't this max-width good enough? |
| 14:25:42 | preglow | moos: i don't know, i clearly stated in the commit message that they should tell me if they heard anything |
| 14:25:49 | preglow | i've heard absolutely nothing so far |
| 14:27:06 | moos | I will send you files for that you hear (not right now, but later today) if you want |
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| 14:27:14 | preglow | moos: sure, i'd love to |
| 14:27:25 | preglow | moos: might not be able to check it out before after the weekend, but i will do so |
| 14:27:43 | moos | ok, I will send you |
| 14:28:56 | preglow | out of curiosity, what is the difference in sound? |
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| 14:30:45 | moos | sound quality was fine, but after those changes, the sound is "distorded". The difference is big |
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| 14:33:15 | in-jane | do you have any idea what i am doing wrong: i can't get my database updated. i add new album to my e260 and tried to update it but the album doesn't show on the album list. if i try to initialize the database, i only see the new album i add but nothing else. |
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| 14:35:12 | desowin | in-jane: are the files tagged? |
| 14:36:15 | ddalton | SofRaZorbacK: Have you done the translation? |
| 14:36:23 | in-jane | yes, because if i initialize the database. i see the new files but not the old files anymore unless i initialize the database again. after that i see the old files again but ot the new ones |
| 14:36:37 | in-jane | ot=not |
| 14:36:39 | ddalton | isn't there an update database option? |
| 14:36:53 | SofRaZorbacK | hmm i know it's a bit of topic but i need to know if some blind guys could telle me what irc client they are using under windows .i haven't problems with mIRC display |
| 14:37:24 | in-jane | yes, i've tried to update it but it's not working (it doesn't find the new album) |
| 14:37:32 | ddalton | BOFH net irc. I can't even use mirc with jfw. |
| 14:37:51 | ddalton | in the same dir are they? |
| 14:38:11 | ddalton | who is blind here? :-) |
| 14:38:28 | SofRaZorbacK | ddalton : gonna try that thx |
| 14:38:38 | desowin | ddalton: well, many blind users use rockbox....due to its voice support |
| 14:38:44 | in-jane | yes, the file structure is /music/%artist%/%album%/ |
| 14:38:55 | ddalton | I know that I said is there any on here blind a part from myself? |
| 14:42:05 | GodEater | ddalton: if you mean in this channel - I don't think so. |
| 14:42:51 | pixelma | I thought delYsid is too |
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| 14:46:50 | ddalton | for p7779 you should probably speak "point" |
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| 14:54:05 | bluebrother | MethoS-: I just noticed the rbutil ebuild ... do I understand it correctly that yon install rbutil.ini in /etc? |
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| 14:54:42 | bluebrother | rbutil.ini is build into the binary and not searched in /etc, so putting it there doesn't make sense. |
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| 14:55:11 | GodEater | bluebrother: where is it searched for then ? |
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| 14:55:44 | bluebrother | in the binary folder. Generally it should always use the buildin one. |
| 14:56:11 | GodEater | imho that's bad practise on unix |
| 14:56:19 | bluebrother | and there was already discussion about removing the code to look for an external file. |
| 14:56:27 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 14:56:44 | bluebrother | well, the idea was for portable installs to look in the binary folder. |
| 14:57:19 | bluebrother | but after thinking about it for a while I think we shouldn't use anything but the buildin file |
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| 14:57:43 | bluebrother | as an updated file will most likely also require an updated binary for changed installation procedure or similar |
| 14:59:34 | MethoS- | bluebrother: thats right, that's the same, where the old ebuild for the wx version put it |
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| 15:00:28 | GodEater | /etc is the right place for config files of all sorts |
| 15:00:40 | GodEater | if they're to be used systemwide |
| 15:00:50 | GodEater | otherwise it should be something like ~/.rbutil.ini |
| 15:01:14 | bluebrother | thing is that it's not something like a systemwide configuration nor a user configuration |
| 15:01:29 | bluebrother | user config goes to ~/.config/rockbox.org |
| 15:02:10 | bluebrother | that file only holds some values used in the binary itself. |
| 15:02:31 | bluebrother | and that is also the reason why the file is included in the binary. |
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| 15:55:33 | derek_ | hello |
| 15:57:00 | GodEater | hi derek_ |
| 15:57:08 | derek_ | How would one install a theme for Rockbox? |
| 15:57:26 | derek_ | (iAudio X5) |
| 15:57:36 | GodEater | derek_: have you tried using RockboxUtility ? |
| 15:57:49 | derek_ | nope. thanks for the tip |
| 15:58:04 | GodEater | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt |
| 15:59:23 | derek_ | thanks again. out of curiosity, though; what directory would a theme's .zip be expanded to? |
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| 16:00:14 | Domonoky | derek_: normally just to the root of the player ( the zips should have the right dir structure) |
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| 16:00:36 | Domonoky | but rbutil can do this for you :-) |
| 16:01:01 | derek_ | hmm ok - trying it out right now |
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| 16:02:48 | derek_ | wow, i wonder why rbutil this isnt on rockbox's homepage for noobz!! |
| 16:05:37 | Domonoky | rbutil is very new, and not completly ready, when it is, it will be on the frontpage :-) |
| 16:06:16 | Domonoky | at the moment it mostly needs testing.. so if you notice problems.. tell us :-) |
| 16:06:34 | derek_ | nice. sweet thanks again 4 tha great tip |
| 16:07:42 | derek_ | tell you where |
| 16:07:58 | derek_ | here? |
| 16:08:19 | derek_ | ha cuz Ive already got 1 |
| 16:08:39 | Domonoky | yes, here or mak a entry in the patch tracker, if nobody reacts here... |
| 16:08:51 | derek_ | ok. |
| 16:09:03 | * | Domonoky is one of the main devs of rbutil.. so tell me the problem.. :-) |
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| 16:10:59 | derek_ | right. MacOS 10.5 - She won't autodetect or let me manually choose directory for device; even if i browse; only shows my hard drive |
| 16:12:02 | derek_ | 'directory for device' = mountpoint |
| 16:12:05 | Domonoky | ah.. MacOsX, thats less tested... autodetection doesnt work every time.. but the selection, that probably a bug :-) |
| 16:12:53 | Domonoky | where are the device on macosX normally in the tree ? |
| 16:13:07 | * | Domonoky opens the source code.. :-) |
| 16:13:13 | derek_ | parallel to the hard drive |
| 16:13:32 | GodEater | Domonoky: /dev/diskn |
| 16:13:51 | derek_ | as far as I can tell looking at a finder window; o ok one sec |
| 16:15:07 | GodEater | Domonoky: or do you mean "where are they mounted?" |
| 16:15:12 | GodEater | in which case I don't know =/ |
| 16:15:17 | derek_ | I can't tell at the moment. i need a terminal command for showing hidden folders one sec |
| 16:15:26 | GodEater | derek_: "ls -a" |
| 16:15:35 | derek_ | cool |
| 16:15:36 | Domonoky | hm.. the source of rbutil says that it handles it the same as linux.... so it should work.. i think... |
| 16:15:50 | GodEater | Domonoky: they should get listed in mtab |
| 16:16:03 | derek_ | maybe i should try logginf out and back in again |
| 16:16:12 | XavierGr | yay for the new rockbox front page, thanks Zagor |
| 16:16:14 | Domonoky | if the device is mounted into the tree like on linux, you should be abel to choose it.. |
| 16:16:18 | GodEater | delYsid: what happens if you do "mount" in the temrinal window ? |
| 16:16:32 | GodEater | derek_: sorry - meant that for you |
| 16:16:35 | GodEater | delYsid: sorry! |
| 16:17:11 | derek_ | "/dev/disk2s1 on /Volumes/IAUDIO" that what you're looking for? |
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| 16:17:43 | GodEater | that's the one |
| 16:17:44 | Domonoky | jeah.. so browse to /Volumes/IAUDIO in rbutil for the mountpoint... |
| 16:18:05 | derek_ | where would i type that in |
| 16:18:22 | derek_ | OH I SEE |
| 16:18:24 | derek_ | n/m |
| 16:19:09 | Domonoky | maybe we could limit the dir brwose dialog (to choose the mountpoint) to /Volumes in MacOsX ? |
| 16:19:17 | GodEater | I really out to remember that /Volumes thing |
| 16:19:20 | GodEater | I've seen it enough times now |
| 16:19:28 | GodEater | Domonoky: good idea |
| 16:19:31 | derek_ | WOOHOO success thanks |
| 16:19:48 | Domonoky | GodEater_: is it always /Volumes on MacOsX ? |
| 16:19:55 | GodEater | Domonoky: so I'm given to understand |
| 16:20:05 | GodEater | linuxstb is the expert, but I recall him saying that |
| 16:23:48 | GodEater | Domonoky: also, I think http_proxy should default to system if there's one set, otherwise, to none |
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| 16:24:07 | annulus_ | its always /Volumes when its automounted |
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| 16:27:59 | * | Domonoky will limit the dialog to /Volumes on mac... if you mount by hand.. you have to type it in :-) |
| 16:28:53 | GodEater | good plan |
| 16:29:05 | GodEater | we should do similar on linux |
| 16:29:15 | GodEater | and limit the dialog to /media |
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| 16:30:16 | Domonoky | doesnt this depend on the distro, fo linux ? i thought there were some which mounted to /mnt ... |
| 16:31:10 | GodEater | I think the new automounting features of most distros default to /media |
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| 16:31:27 | GodEater | /mnt is a historical place left over when you use to do the mounting manually |
| 16:31:33 | GodEater | it was best practise to mount there |
| 16:31:49 | GodEater | for some reason the writes of the automounting stuff have chosen /media as the place to put devices now though |
| 16:31:58 | GodEater | s/writes/writers |
| 16:32:19 | Domonoky | oki.. the i will limit it, and blame GodEater, i someone complains.. :-) |
| 16:32:29 | GodEater | although I'm willing to have someone with a distro that does it differently tell me otherwise |
| 16:32:39 | * | GodEater is used to being blamed for stuff too |
| 16:32:47 | * | Domonoky insert an h and a f where it fits... :-) |
| 16:33:47 | derek_ | any way to get additional themes to show up in rbutil? |
| 16:34:11 | GodEater | derek_: how many show up now ? |
| 16:34:47 | Domonoky | rbutil shows the themes from rockbox-themes.. if there arnt more, it cant show more.. :-) |
| 16:35:25 | derek_ | shucks. and 18, GodEater |
| 16:35:41 | GodEater | so if that's all there is on the site, that's all that will show |
| 16:36:34 | Domonoky | we are waiting for scorche to complete the official wps page.. :-) |
| 16:37:20 | GodEater | and he's in bed at the moment |
| 16:37:21 | GodEater | :) |
| 16:37:49 | derek_ | FYI: there are 32 @ rockbox-themes for my device |
| 16:38:04 | GodEater | Domonoky: does it show unofficial build themes too ? |
| 16:38:22 | Domonoky | rbutil also only shows themes which work with the official build.. themes for patched builds are excluded.. |
| 16:38:23 | derek_ | ah, I see. indeed it does. |
| 16:38:59 | derek_ | thanks nerds |
| 16:39:05 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 16:39:13 | derek_ | :D |
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| 16:40:45 | GodEater | another happy customer |
| 16:41:18 | bluebrother | ... without having a product ;) |
| 16:41:56 | GodEater | hehe |
| 16:42:04 | GodEater | damn, did he forget to pay too ? |
| 16:42:59 | jbit | saying "thank you" should enter you in a legally biding contract to donate some money :) |
| 16:43:37 | bluebrother | hmm, he said "thanks nerd" −− does this count too? |
| 16:44:10 | GodEater | I think so |
| 16:44:40 | GodEater | in fact, that means he has to donate more, since he was cheeky too |
| 16:44:48 | jbit | i think that'd require a team of lawyers and a judge to decide |
| 16:44:55 | bluebrother | by calling us "nerds"? |
| 16:45:00 | GodEater | yep |
| 16:45:12 | GodEater | when it's clear we are in fact geeks, and not nerds |
| 16:45:16 | GodEater | :) |
| 16:45:17 | * | bluebrother notes a case issue in rbutil ... |
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| 16:53:44 | SoulPropagatio1 | O hai guise. |
| 16:54:02 | GodEater | SoulPropagatio1: english please. Proper english. |
| 16:54:25 | SoulPropagatio1 | GodEater, You've never seen that meme? D: |
| 16:55:10 | GodEater | SoulPropagatio1: doesn't matter if I have or haven't - we have people here who are relying on screenreaders because they are blind. Having that in here plays havoc with them - so don't do it please. |
| 16:56:03 | SoulPropagatio1 | Oh, alright, thanks for the advice |
| 16:56:21 | GodEater | thank you for abiding by it :) |
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| 16:56:32 | SoulPropagatio1 | Not a problem |
| 16:57:56 | GodEater | the rules are less strict in #rockbox-community if you want to hang there too |
| 17:00 |
| 17:04:10 | SoulPropagatio1 | Actually, I just had one question as of right now −− can I sell an MP3 player on the mailing list? I can't get it to work in its native firmware but Rockbox works juuuust fine so I'm betting it wouldn't sell as well outside the RB community |
| 17:05:21 | GodEater | I personally don't object, but I'd get approval from Llorean, Bagder, LinusN or Zagor ideally |
| 17:06:21 | SoulPropagatio1 | ok, should I just PM one of 'um or wait for them to show up? |
| 17:06:52 | GodEater | either MemoServ them, or just wait |
| 17:07:32 | SoulPropagatio1 | Ok thanks |
| 17:11:49 | bluebrother | someone else tried to sell his AJBR on the user-ml just yesterday. I don't think someone objected (but I might have missed that ...) |
| 17:13:22 | GodEater | yeah I can't think of a reason anyone *would* object - but I don't feel in a position to just say "go ahead" either |
| 17:15:06 | bluebrother | yup. Just noticed that email ... |
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| 17:25:18 | SoulPropagatio1 | I memoserv'd Llorean too just to be on the safe side. :3 |
| 17:29:37 | Llorean | Honestly, I just complain a lot, I'm not one to give permission. But I'd say offering a Rockbox target on list is fair, though odds may not be the greatest (most people on-list already have a Rockbox target, that's why they're there) |
| 17:29:46 | Llorean | I'm curious which type of player. |
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| 17:34:29 | SoulPropagatio1 | Llorean: 30Gb iPod 5.0, but it has a 5.5 (I think) screen so the 5.0 OS doesn't see it... or something like that |
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| 17:34:54 | * | Domonoky still wonders what is not working with e200rpatcher and windows.. (i dont have a e200r, so i cant test) |
| 17:35:38 | Llorean | Domonoky: Did anyone ever get the libusb stuff working, or is it still stuck at that? |
| 17:36:42 | Domonoky | i dont know... i can compile and run it.. and it enumerates the usb ids..but i cant test further without device.. |
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| 17:36:54 | Ewout1982 | can anybody help me? |
| 17:37:25 | Domonoky | Ewout1982: only if you tell us the problem.. :-) |
| 17:37:31 | SoulPropagatio1 | Ewout1982: Let me speak for everyone here when I say "with what"? |
| 17:37:45 | SoulPropagatio1 | "with what?" * |
| 17:37:47 | Ewout1982 | i have put the new est fusionbuild on my ipod, and now it isn't able to connect to my pc again? I restarted my pc, no result. I rebooted my ipod (menu+enter) no result |
| 17:38:19 | Ewout1982 | after |
| 17:38:30 | SoulPropagatio1 | put it into disk mode. |
| 17:38:38 | Llorean | Ewout1982: You're using an unsupported build. |
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| 17:38:42 | Llorean | You really shouldn't be asking for help here. |
| 17:38:46 | bluebrother | fusionbuild isn't supported. |
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| 17:40:22 | Ewout1982 | how can I put in disk mode? |
| 17:40:46 | SoulPropagatio1 | Ewout1982: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore#How_to_restore_an_ipod |
| 17:40:48 | bluebrother | reboot the Ipod by holding Menu + Select. Once the Ipod reboots press Play + Select |
| 17:41:06 | bluebrother | see also the IpodFaq wiki page |
| 17:41:15 | SoulPropagatio1 | Ewout1982: google is your friend |
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| 17:43:53 | SoulPropagatio1 | Thanks for your help guys. See ya |
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| 17:49:20 | SofRaZorbacK | hey guys, is the iriver ihp120 supported by rockbox ? |
| 17:49:28 | Domonoky | yes |
| 17:49:43 | SofRaZorbacK | is it an early port |
| 17:49:44 | SofRaZorbacK | ? |
| 17:49:51 | SofRaZorbacK | new |
| 17:49:54 | Domonoky | no, very stable.. |
| 17:49:59 | SofRaZorbacK | cool thx again |
| 17:50:09 | Domonoky | it was the first after the archos players.. |
| 17:50:22 | n1s | SofRaZorbacK: that port has had audio playback for about 2 years iirc |
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| 17:50:43 | Domonoky | and the h120 is a very good player... |
| 17:51:00 | SofRaZorbacK | thx all for your clear response. |
| 17:51:50 | SofRaZorbacK | we are talking about the IHP 120 correct ? |
| 17:51:57 | SofRaZorbacK | not the h120 |
| 17:52:16 | SofRaZorbacK | whoops think there is no h120 |
| 17:52:22 | SofRaZorbacK | but h320 |
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| 17:54:45 | Domonoky | h120 and ihp120 are the same.. manufacture change the name sometime.. |
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| 17:55:21 | SofRaZorbacK | Domonoky: ok just to be sure thx |
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| 17:57:35 | bluebrother | Domonoky: do you think we should remove support for rbutil.ini in the executable folder? |
| 17:59:29 | Domonoky | hm.. i dont know.. it was nice to easily change urls an such.. but its not really needed.. |
| 17:59:54 | bluebrother | you can still do that easily. Just recompile afterwards ;) |
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| 18:26:20 | Kupopop | I installed a self compiled rockbox for the first time and now I get a -2 error from the bootloader and the origional firmware loads instead |
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| 18:27:33 | Kupopop | on the install guide it says what a -1 error is but not -2 |
| 18:28:30 | advcomp2019 | what device Kupopop |
| 18:29:13 | Kupopop | iHP140 |
| 18:29:33 | Kupopop | I think the build went okay |
| 18:30:25 | Kupopop | I'll try installing the pre-made daily build and see if that works |
| 18:30:40 | Domonoky | Kupopop: did you safely remove the device ? try reextracting it.. |
| 18:31:19 | * | Domonoky doesnt know for sure what error -2 is, but i think checksum error... |
| 18:31:56 | Kupopop | safely remove? I just ripped the usb cable out :/ |
| 18:32:07 | Kupopop | nope, the pre made daily build dosent work eaither |
| 18:32:14 | bluebrother | that's usually not a good idea ... |
| 18:32:30 | bluebrother | maybe it's an outdated bootloader? What version does it show? |
| 18:32:48 | Kupopop | I kinda deleted rockbox.iriver from the base directory too |
| 18:32:53 | Kupopop | could this be the source of my woes? |
| 18:33:10 | bluebrother | possibly, if your bootloader is _very_ old. What version does it show? |
| 18:33:12 | Kupopop | bootloader version 5 |
| 18:33:37 | bluebrother | hmm, IIRC you need at least version 6 for rockbox.iriver to be in /.rockbox |
| 18:33:58 | Kupopop | okay so I should reflash with a newer bootloader then? |
| 18:34:06 | bluebrother | so yes, it's because rockbox.iriver isn't found. Upgrade the bootloader or move rockbox.iriver to the root folder |
| 18:34:21 | bluebrother | I suggest flashing a new bootloader ;) |
| 18:35:19 | Domonoky | updating the bootloader is surely good, but shouldnt you get a error -1 when it cant find rockbox.iriver ? |
| 18:35:39 | Kupopop | -2 |
| 18:36:17 | bluebrother | hmm. |
| 18:36:22 | * | bluebrother scratches head |
| 18:36:33 | Kupopop | humm this is strange, rockbox.iriver is showing as being 0 bytes |
| 18:36:34 | Domonoky | so if you just pulled out the cable, i would just try to re extract it, an try a safe remove.. :-) |
| 18:37:03 | Kupopop | I'll try doing this in windows |
| 18:37:11 | Domonoky | its because you pulled the cable.. you interruppted the write of the file :-) |
| 18:37:22 | bluebrother | ah: check bootloader/common.h for error codes ... -2 is wrong checksum |
| 18:37:26 | Kupopop | everything had already been written though? |
| 18:37:51 | Kupopop | I have no idea how to eject a usb hard drive in ubuntu :/ |
| 18:38:08 | bluebrother | Kupopop: usually the OS caches data. This means that not necessarily the data is already written to disc once the copy process finishes. |
| 18:38:15 | bluebrother | you ripped of the drive on _linux_? |
| 18:38:23 | Domonoky | Kupopop: unmount it before pulling the cable.. |
| 18:38:24 | bluebrother | urgh :( That's even worse than on windows. |
| 18:39:04 | Kupopop | I'm not sure where stuff gets mounted to in ubuntu, I can't see anything in /mnt/ but I'll find out.. |
| 18:39:14 | bluebrother | check /media |
| 18:39:31 | Kupopop | aha :) |
| 18:39:31 | Domonoky | Kupopop: if you use the gui... right click onm the drive icon.. :-) |
| 18:40:03 | bluebrother | open a terminal, type "mount", identify the mount point and then "umount <mountpoint>" |
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| 18:40:50 | Domonoky | the noob way: right click on the drive icon on the destop and choose unmount.. :-) |
| 18:41:12 | bluebrother | my kde desktop even shows "safely remove" in the context menu :) |
| 18:42:30 | H | Hi, Im having a few problems with wps on my Rriver H140D when I load most of the defalt thems on rockbox the differant items on the display overlap, e.g song artist and the music progress bar |
| 18:42:44 | H | is this because the wps was not made for my mp3 player model? |
| 18:42:47 | bluebrother | have you installed the fonts package? |
| 18:43:01 | H | hmmm no I dont think I have |
| 18:43:22 | H | Will this fix the problem? :) |
| 18:43:23 | bluebrother | you read the manual? |
| 18:43:47 | bluebrother | it tells you that you need the fonts for most themes ... |
| 18:44:01 | H | oh ok :P |
| 18:44:11 | H | thanks |
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| 18:45:18 | Kupopop | got everything working now thanks :) |
| 18:45:54 | bluebrother | just remember: never just pull out an external drive on linux ;) |
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| 18:48:39 | H | Ah perfect the theme I wanhted is working great now :) |
| 18:48:48 | H | thanks for the help c ya |
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| 19:26:28 | Kupopop | on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins it says: |
| 19:26:29 | Kupopop | rb->splash(HZ*2, "Hello world!"); |
| 19:26:29 | DEBUG | Parse error in OnPrivmsg(from = "Kupopop!n=Jono@cpc1-bsfd2-0-0-cust26.cmbg.cable.ntl.com", line = "#rockbox :") (snapshot: server.c line 191) |
| 19:26:33 | Kupopop | −− corrected "rb->splash(HZ*2, true, "Hello world!");" which was causing runtime error −− OzgurOzturk - 27 Jun 2007 |
| 19:26:49 | Kupopop | so is the 2nd version with ,true the correct one? |
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| 19:31:08 | Kupopop | nope, its the first one :) |
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| 20:04:28 | e280ruser | I have a question regarding the e200tool. I was wondering if I would need libusb to run this tool after I have compiled it, or if I can remove it once I have compiled the tool? |
| 20:05:07 | bluebrother | you need libusb. You can only remove it if you linked statically. |
| 20:05:41 | e280ruser | Ok, thank you. |
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| 20:28:30 | derek__ | how does one install & activate a rockbox theme? |
| 20:29:44 | Domonoky_ | an easy way would be to use rbutil... :-) or just download and unzip the theme to the root of your player... you can then select the theme in rockbox.. |
| 20:31:03 | derek__ | *ahem* a theme for an unsupported build ;) |
| 20:32:01 | derek__ | ok - i just discovered you activate it after booting rockbox but thanks anyway |
| 20:32:28 | Domonoky_ | there is a reason why they are named "unsupported"... :-) |
| 20:33:07 | derek__ | o i thought it was suppossed to make it sound cooler |
| 20:33:32 | derek__ | so u said to the root of the device, not to /.rockbox? |
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| 20:34:52 | Domonoky_ | the zip should contain the correct dir structure to unzip to root... |
| 20:35:09 | bluebrother | derek__: it depends on how the theme file was zipped. Usually you unzip it to the root as the theme file is supposed to contain the required folder structure |
| 20:35:43 | derek__ | what would the correct file structure look like for an unzipped theme? |
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| 20:40:39 | bluebrother | it would contain the theme file in /.rockbox/themes, the wps in /.rockbox/wps etc. |
| 20:40:50 | derek__ | ok |
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| 20:49:27 | thisislame | anyone know a cgi:irc client I can access #ubuntu on? |
| 20:49:52 | Llorean | thisislame: As that question has nothing to do with Rockbox, I suggest you address it to google... |
| 20:50:01 | thisislame | I did |
| 20:50:02 | thisislame | thats how I got here |
| 20:50:24 | thisislame | it's the only one I hadn't already tried |
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| 20:59:25 | bluebrother | there is ircatwork.com ... |
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| 21:00:00 | * | amiconn trying that right now |
| 21:00:08 | amiconn | It's sloo-ooow though |
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| 21:04:19 | [Rane] | That was...very interesting. I just returned to my desk, sat down, and my Rockbox'ed iPod just started up without being touched. |
| 21:06:15 | trek | nice |
| 21:06:23 | [Rane] | Hi by the way. I'll be lurking for nuggets of wisdom while I tinker off and on. Not sure if an introduction is desired on a pure dev channel. |
| 21:06:30 | trek | it clearly wants your attention |
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| 21:11:18 | dionoea | Why is the mount point selection being limited to /media on linux in rbutil ? |
| 21:12:54 | Domonoky_ | blame GodEater_ :-) because it the normal mountpoint for all automounters on linux... |
| 21:13:07 | dionoea | Mine uses /mnt/ipod |
| 21:13:20 | dionoea | and i'm sure that lots of people also have some "non standard" mount points |
| 21:13:26 | bluebrother | sounds somewhat outdated ;) |
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| 21:14:05 | bluebrother | maybe that path shouldn't restrict but only get used as default selection unless you have a valid path in the input box? |
| 21:14:11 | dionoea | Making /media the default is a good idea |
| 21:14:17 | dionoea | but you shouldn't limit it to that |
| 21:14:28 | dionoea | bluebrother: right. |
| 21:14:30 | Llorean | I agree that /media should be a good default, but not a restriction. |
| 21:14:32 | linuxstb | What happens currently if /media doesn't exist? |
| 21:15:48 | * | dionoea tests |
| 21:16:05 | * | bluebrother doesn't know |
| 21:16:12 | dionoea | linuxstb: it doesn't change the root |
| 21:16:18 | dionoea | (so it leaves it as "/") |
| 21:16:26 | dionoea | and it uses the current dir as default |
| 21:17:10 | dionoea | Can i change the behavior ? (or is someone already doing that?) |
| 21:17:34 | * | Domonoky_ isnt, so feel free to modify it .. :-) |
| 21:17:38 | dionoea | ok |
| 21:17:48 | dionoea | basically it's changing setRoot to setDir |
| 21:18:06 | dionoea | should i change it for OS X too ? |
| 21:18:37 | linuxstb | I think it's fine for OS X. |
| 21:18:52 | dionoea | ok |
| 21:20:39 | hachi | I did something to my ipod from some instructions on the wiki, because rockbox was unable to read the fat32 partition that I had on it |
| 21:21:13 | hachi | now I'm trying to find that same package to use an fsck-like tool to try and repair the filesystem on my ipod which has apparently gone wonky |
| 21:21:20 | hachi | anyone know what this package was? |
| 21:22:00 | bluebrother | on what os? |
| 21:22:04 | hachi | linux |
| 21:22:10 | bluebrother | fsck.vfat |
| 21:22:34 | hachi | I didn't use mkfs.vfat |
| 21:22:42 | senab | u sure? |
| 21:22:52 | hachi | apparently rockbox can't handle filesystems that were made with that |
| 21:23:02 | bluebrother | and what's the problem with that? fsck.vfat will check a vfat volume. |
| 21:23:03 | hachi | I'm positive |
| 21:23:13 | senab | how about mkfs.fat32 |
| 21:23:13 | hachi | because it doesn't work |
| 21:23:23 | hachi | IT WASN'T THE MAIN VFAT UTILS |
| 21:23:27 | hachi | it was some other utility |
| 21:23:40 | hachi | the main ones aren't working, they throw errors about not being able to seek |
| 21:23:45 | senab | OK HACHI |
| 21:23:55 | bluebrother | mkfs.vfat -F 32 |
| 21:24:27 | dionoea | Why don't you use a QFileDialog for the directory choice dialog ? (instead of a custom class) |
| 21:24:41 | bluebrother | if it has problems seeking on that partition there is maybe something really broken with the disc? |
| 21:25:01 | bluebrother | dionoea: because it has some strange behaviour if you want to select a folder (and not a file) |
| 21:25:05 | hachi | no, the problem is the main vfat utils don't work properly on a 5.5g ipoid |
| 21:25:15 | hachi | or at least, taht's what someone like llorean or someone told me |
| 21:25:21 | Llorean | Wasn't me. |
| 21:25:22 | dionoea | bluebrother: hum ... works fine in the VLC open dir dialog :/ |
| 21:25:33 | bluebrother | dionoea: does that dialog open a file or folder? |
| 21:25:40 | dionoea | folder |
| 21:25:48 | hachi | I came in here, my ipod wouldn't run rockbox because the filesystem wouldn't get recognized |
| 21:25:49 | dionoea | since it's the "open dir(ectory)" dialog |
| 21:25:56 | senab | mkfs.vfat -F 32 -S 2048 |
| 21:25:58 | hachi | eventually they were like "are you running ipodlinux" |
| 21:26:09 | hachi | and suddenly they pointed me to a different set of instructions that |
| 21:26:12 | bluebrother | try to open a folder by double-clicking it. The folder name gets put into the edit line and the dialog switches to that folder |
| 21:26:15 | hachi | do not tell me to use mkfs.vfat |
| 21:26:25 | senab | haha |
| 21:26:41 | bluebrother | and then clicking ok throws an error because the folder in the input line does not exist ... |
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| 21:26:50 | hachi | MTOOLS would be the right answer I was looking for here |
| 21:27:06 | hachi | before you guys go off telling people to use mkfs.vfat you may want to talk to whoever told me to use mtools |
| 21:27:11 | hachi | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 |
| 21:27:12 | bluebrother | but maybe I just didn't found out how to configure the dialog properly? |
| 21:27:18 | Domonoky_ | hachi: if dont want help, why do you ask ? .. |
| 21:27:22 | dionoea | I'll give it a try. |
| 21:27:42 | hachi | I wanted help, but you weren't answering my question, you were answering how to format my disk |
| 21:28:29 | amiconn_m | Crazy - irc from my mobile phone |
| 21:28:49 | bluebrother | also, IMO a tree is less confusing to select a folder. But that might just be a matter of taste ... |
| 21:28:56 | senab | amiconn: what mobile you got? |
| 21:29:04 | dionoea | yeah, tree might be better. |
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| 21:29:12 | amiconn | Samsung X820 |
| 21:29:17 | bluebrother | amiconn: so now you're "amicomm"? ;-) |
| 21:29:27 | hachi | it was GodEater |
| 21:29:49 | bluebrother | but that widget is also used for selectin binaries which is suboptimal imo. For example to select the tts binary. |
| 21:29:56 | senab | amconn: symbian? |
| 21:30:02 | bluebrother | but I haven't bothered enough to change it ;) |
| 21:30:13 | Domonoky_ | amiconn: now port the rockbox sim to it :-) |
| 21:30:35 | amiconn | Urgh |
| 21:30:44 | amiconn | I would need to port rockbox to java |
| 21:30:48 | amiconn | (midp 2.0) |
| 21:30:54 | [Rane] | Oo, enjoy. |
| 21:30:56 | Domonoky_ | urgs... |
| 21:30:58 | bluebrother | isn't java ... urgh at all? |
| 21:31:09 | amiconn | But the display resolution would fit nicely (220x176) |
| 21:31:37 | [Rane] | Java has a few non-urghish qualities here and there. |
| 21:32:07 | amiconn | Otoh, rockbox would not really make sense on that thing |
| 21:32:23 | senab | i thought the X820 was a smartphone |
| 21:32:26 | senab | maybe not |
| 21:32:36 | amiconn | 80MB flash |
| 21:32:55 | amiconn | No it's not. |
| 21:32:57 | [Rane] | Hey, you could get...10 songs on that. |
| 21:33:01 | * | amiconn doesn't want a smartphone |
| 21:33:41 | senab | i love my smartphone, its a sat nav too lol |
| 21:34:50 | senab | does anyone know how to stop the Sansa's OF refreshing the database EVERY time it's loaded? |
| 21:36:44 | amiconn | Iiuc you need to use a version of the OF for which the rockbox bootloader knows how to set the "no refresh" bit |
| 21:36:45 | * | Domonoky_ thinks there was a patch to stop it, but it didnt work with all of versions.. |
| 21:36:48 | Llorean | senab: Use on of the versions of the OF where refresh disable works. |
| 21:37:00 | amiconn | ...or figure out how to do that with the version you use |
| 21:37:12 | Llorean | I think though that having a MicroSD card in *may* cause a refresh no matter what. |
| 21:37:40 | [Rane] | Hmm. I just skimmed Flyspray and the site quickly and I don't see this - has there been any consideration adding the alphabet scrolling to the iPod version? |
| 21:38:06 | senab | i'm not using a SD card yet, is there a list of firmware's that the bootloader know's this bit? |
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| 21:38:28 | Llorean | [Rane]: 1) Why is it a feature only relevant to the iPod version and 2) What do you mean by alphabet scrolling? |
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| 21:39:13 | Llorean | senab: I think you'd just need to look in the changelog, unfortuntely. |
| 21:39:38 | [Rane] | Hah, you know it wouldn't have to be relevant strictly to the iPod at all, good point. On Apple's OS if you scroll very quickly through your list it switches to letters of the alphabet, and if you stop on one and it starts at the first item of that letter. Sped things up on a long list. |
| 21:39:55 | [Rane] | er, if you stop on one it starts. |
| 21:40:38 | [Rane] | It also wouldn't snap out of that mode until you took your finger completely off the wheel, allowing for the proper fine tuning so you didn't jump however many files to the next letter by mistake. |
| 21:42:00 | * | Domonoky_ thinks this sounds like a nice feature.. but thats not easy and amount of work.. :-) |
| 21:43:38 | dionoea | bluebrother: would this be ok: dionoea/rbutil.1.patch">http://people.videolan.org/~dionoea/rbutil.1.patch ? |
| 21:43:38 | [Rane] | I honestly didn't realize how much I relied on it until loading a bunch of music back onto my iPod after installing Rockbox. |
| 21:44:45 | Llorean | [Rane]: Well, as an alternative you can have your music properly sorted into folder, and your tagnavi have good separation. |
| 21:45:12 | [Rane] | Perhaps I'll waste some time and get really frustrated and tinker with that feature in the code. :) |
| 21:45:23 | [Rane] | er, while tinkering, I should say. |
| 21:45:30 | Domonoky_ | dionoea: your patch misses the changed filter for windows, i think.. |
| 21:45:47 | senab | just check main-pp.c, the bootloader can disable the refresh thing on 11D, 12A & 12D. I'm on 18E lol |
| 21:45:48 | dionoea | Ah, right. |
| 21:46:22 | dionoea | If it's ok i'll change all the other browser dialogs |
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| 21:46:34 | dionoea | but i'll wait for confirmation first :) |
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| 21:46:43 | Domonoky_ | but what does bluebrother think..? |
| 21:46:46 | Domonoky_ | :-) |
| 21:48:11 | dionoea | It's just that i find it weird to re-code something that is already available in the framework |
| 21:49:34 | senab | i like the "scan through song" feature on the Sansa OF |
| 21:50:04 | senab | that maybe my next project |
| 21:50:30 | [Rane] | Scrubbing? |
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| 21:51:51 | senab | ? |
| 21:52:00 | linuxstb | senab: What is "scan through song" ? |
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| 21:52:25 | Llorean | I'm guessing seeking as it's done on iPods, where you enter seek mode, rotate the wheel to pick a position, then exit seek mode. |
| 21:52:41 | [Rane] | That was my thought as well. |
| 21:52:58 | senab | yep similar |
| 21:53:15 | senab | it works nicer with the physical wheel though |
| 21:53:18 | [Rane] | And someone wrote a patch - for iPods - but I would think it could be applied to other models with a little modification. |
| 21:53:53 | Domonoky_ | dionoea: is it possible to enable alternating Row colors in the Filedialog ? |
| 21:54:00 | senab | it'd work well if you held select, then rotated the wheel |
| 21:55:02 | linuxstb | I don't think that would work on ipods |
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| 21:55:04 | dionoea | Domonoky_: maybe. I'll try without using the getExistingDirectory function which doesn't allow much configuration. |
| 21:55:29 | bluebrother | dionoea: it shows the same issue I wanted to avoid. |
| 21:55:31 | amiconn | senab: The 1st gen ipod does have a mechanical wheel |
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| 21:55:55 | dionoea | hum ... then i must have missunderstood what that issue was |
| 21:56:19 | dionoea | I'll leave it as it was then :) |
| 21:56:22 | senab | holding select on the ipod's brings up the context menu iirc |
| 21:56:52 | senab | i cant find that iPod patch anyway |
| 21:56:54 | bluebrother | dionoea: see this screenshot: http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/error1.png |
| 21:56:55 | linuxstb | senab: Yes, there are no free buttons in the WPS on an ipod... |
| 21:56:59 | * | Llorean feels quite strongly that holding select should be the context menu on Sansas too. =/ |
| 21:57:05 | [Rane] | I'll get it, I was just looking at it. |
| 21:57:20 | senab | llorean: what would the playlist button do? |
| 21:57:25 | [Rane] | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5379?histring=ipod&pagenum=1 |
| 21:57:44 | Llorean | senab: It'd be the "Menu" button, so that Power could be Stop similar to how it is on other targets. |
| 21:57:50 | dionoea | bluebrother: hum ... how did you get that ? |
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| 21:58:04 | senab | llorean: FS #7232? |
| 21:58:12 | Llorean | Is that the one I opened? |
| 21:58:15 | Llorean | If so, yes. |
| 21:58:16 | bluebrother | go to /. Then enter /media by double clicking it, the same for "IPODMINI" |
| 21:58:24 | bluebrother | now press "Choose". Bang. |
| 21:58:33 | dionoea | hum ... that works fine here :( |
| 21:58:46 | dionoea | well nevermind, i'll leave it as it is |
| 21:58:59 | bluebrother | average (windows) users are quite double-click fixated, so they would expect it to work ... |
| 21:59:03 | Llorean | senab: "Seek" could be an option, say the last one in the WPS context menu, for easy access on any target. |
| 21:59:18 | bluebrother | what version of Qt do you have? Maybe it's an error that got fixed. I'm using 4.3.0 |
| 21:59:31 | dionoea | bluebrother: debian's Qt 4.3 |
| 21:59:35 | dionoea | (debian sid) |
| 21:59:48 | bluebrother | hmm. Strange. |
| 21:59:49 | dionoea | 4.3.1 |
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| 22:00:07 | senab | llorean: i like your button mappings idea |
| 22:00:30 | Llorean | senab: In my opinion it's pretty much as easy to use, and at the same time makes it "familiar" across targets. |
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| 22:01:44 | senab | Llorean: i think you're right. i'll have a look over the weekend |
| 22:02:34 | senab | i'd have to come back into the WPS disabling the volume control |
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| 22:03:06 | bluebrother | dionoea: ok, looks like this is a problem with my Qt version. Just checked against my self-build static binary and it works as expected. |
| 22:03:31 | dionoea | The tree view still looks better in fact :) |
| 22:03:40 | Llorean | senab: The way I see it, you choose "Seek" from the menu, it takes you to the wps, you rotate to the desired position, and then hit "Select" again to start playback there, and go back to "Wheel is Volume" mode. |
| 22:04:13 | bluebrother | I wouldn't have bothered creating the list view if I hadn't experienced that bug ;) |
| 22:04:20 | senab | llorean: thats what i was thinking |
| 22:04:21 | Llorean | senab: On non-wheel players, in that seek mode it can be a much faster, less precise seek since it doesn't actually *seek* until you hit Select, so you aren't running back and forth in the file trying to land at the time you want. |
| 22:04:37 | Llorean | It could essentially be a double-speed seek or something |
| 22:05:01 | Euro4Ever | hey guys got one question if u dont mind: when appling a patch, and when it's said this patch depends on patch fsxxx fsxx etc,do we need to apply those others patches ? |
| 22:05:02 | [Rane] | I like that idea, it's technically how the iPod works...click the button x amount of times to enter seek/scrub mode, move it to where you want it, click and you're done. |
| 22:05:43 | Llorean | Euro4Ever: Yes, if it says it depends on other patches, you need to install those patches first, usually |
| 22:05:49 | bluebrother | Euro4Ever: well, if it says it depends then there is a depencency. So ... would you expect that the patch it depends on being applied first? |
| 22:06:45 | Euro4Ever | bluebrother: ok.... just asking to be sure :( |
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| 22:07:00 | bluebrother | ;-) |
| 22:07:12 | bluebrother | dependencies can be tricky sometimes |
| 22:07:54 | Euro4Ever | yes, don't know how you can understand all that stuff ... wanna contribute in this project and the more i learn, the less i get :( |
| 22:08:27 | bluebrother | it's always hard in the beginning −− no worries. |
| 22:08:55 | Euro4Ever | bluebrother: particularly when you use windows ;) |
| 22:10:17 | Euro4Ever | fortunately, there're guys like you who are making a nice firmware for us damn newbies lol :) |
| 22:10:49 | Domonoky_ | dont lol.. donate.. *hehe* :-) |
| 22:11:01 | bluebrother | or learn ;-) |
| 22:11:18 | bluebrother | it's never too late to start |
| 22:11:19 | Euro4Ever | :) |
| 22:11:42 | Euro4Ever | it's a bit more difficult when you use a scrreen reader. |
| 22:11:44 | amiconn | Llorean: Rockbox seek isn't live, on all target. It only jumps to the desired position if you release the button |
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| 22:11:58 | bluebrother | indeed −− so you're a blind user? |
| 22:12:06 | Llorean | amiconn: Yes, but if you overseek, and need to seek back... |
| 22:12:09 | Euro4Ever | bluebrotheryes |
| 22:12:20 | amiconn | And it accelerates if you're holding the button - in selectable intervals |
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| 22:13:05 | bluebrother | ddalton is also blind and around quite frequently. Might be interesting for you |
| 22:13:38 | dionoea | bluebrother: how should translatable strings be inserted in the rbutil code ? Some _("") type macor ? |
| 22:13:38 | Euro4Ever | bluebrotheryes I know him. nice guy and clever :) |
| 22:13:45 | dionoea | *macro |
| 22:13:50 | bluebrother | dionoea: it's tr() in Qt |
| 22:13:52 | Domonoky_ | it would be nice if some blind users would try rbutil, and comment on the usability for them... :-) |
| 22:13:56 | dionoea | ok, thanks. |
| 22:14:08 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: just thought about that too. |
| 22:14:13 | senab | what file is the context menu code in? |
| 22:14:27 | senab | i've found every menu but... |
| 22:14:47 | * | bluebrother considers committing usb detection for linux |
| 22:14:48 | amiconn | Llorean: Seek could perhaps be made sticky (optionally?) |
| 22:15:00 | Euro4Ever | brb |
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| 22:15:07 | * | amiconn virtually never uses seek so can't really commenton seek usability |
| 22:15:11 | [Rane] | Sticky? |
| 22:15:18 | Llorean | amiconn: Sticky as in "doesn't actually stick until a button is pressed"? |
| 22:15:35 | Llorean | Er, doesn't commit, rather. |
| 22:15:36 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: detection via pids ? |
| 22:15:37 | [Rane] | Yah, that's how Apple does it. Works well IMHO |
| 22:15:41 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: yes. |
| 22:15:47 | amiconn | Sticky as in "Rev/Ffw button starts seek, but release doesn't trigger it" |
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| 22:16:10 | Llorean | amiconn: That could also work with wheel-seeking. Initiate with Rev/FF, release and rotate the wheel instead for that sort of seeking. |
| 22:16:22 | Domonoky_ | i think you could commit it for linux, we can always add windows code... but keep the other detection routines.. |
| 22:16:22 | bluebrother | I detect the PID if it's unique and use the other methods for detection only to get the mount point if it was successful. |
| 22:16:22 | Llorean | But yes, sticky seeking as an option would be nice for me in long audiobooks. |
| 22:16:40 | [Rane] | Llorean: agreed |
| 22:16:50 | amiconn | Llorean: Why don't you just use bookmarks for audiobooks |
| 22:16:51 | amiconn | ? |
| 22:16:56 | senab | llorean: "Initiate with Rev/FF, release and rotate the wheel instead for that sort of seeking." i'm not too fond of that idea |
| 22:17:31 | amiconn | senab: Why not? Easier to get to than a context menu item... |
| 22:17:32 | Domonoky_ | bluebrother: maybe we should make some code to have a flexible fallback chain of detection functions.. |
| 22:17:34 | Llorean | amiconn: Sometimes I'll fall asleep to one, or otherwise lose my position. |
| 22:17:49 | Llorean | senab: For people used to our current method of seeking, you hold FF/RW to seek. |
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| 22:18:11 | Llorean | senab: For people who like the Apple method, turn on the feature. Hold FF until it enters "Seek" mode, then release, rotate the wheel to position desired, and press select. |
| 22:18:12 | amiconn | If that happens, I'd delete that audio book as it's obviously not very interesting ;) |
| 22:18:36 | Euro4Ever | just my opinion it could be cool if bookmarks could be more precise (saying filenames or foldernames. it could be great for blind guys or every one |
| 22:19:06 | Euro4Ever | dunno what is involved technically though |
| 22:19:08 | [Rane] | Yeah, I mean...sometimes it's not a matter of "why not do X instead," if it's not required (ala feature setting) I think it'd make sense. |
| 22:20:58 | bluebrother | Domonoky_: that was my idea too. |
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| 22:22:40 | senab | llorean: doesn't sound too bad actually |
| 22:22:55 | Euro4Ever | blo1 |
| 22:22:56 | bluebrother | someone with an x5v around? |
| 22:23:04 | Euro4Ever | whoops... |
| 22:23:35 | Llorean | senab: I think it'd be quicker than going to the context menu every time, as I think people who like the apple seek, or sticky seek, will use it all the time anyway |
| 22:24:07 | einhirn | Seems like I somehow found some kind of Replaygain Tag type that rockbox can't read... |
| 22:24:17 | senab | makes sense |
| 22:24:28 | senab | einhirn: ones in the lame header? |
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| 22:25:43 | [Rane] | It *is* a context menu on the iPod, but triggered with a quick click of the select button, so your menu option and then trigger method work out to be the same action...I'd use it, most definitely. |
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| 22:26:28 | senab | rane: but you'd only set it once, it could even be in playback settings |
| 22:26:29 | einhirn | hmm - I just looked into one of the files with vim - yes, there is a string "LAME3.92" appearing, then "APETAGEX" then MP3GAIN_MINMAX, MP3GAIN_UNDO, REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_GAIN, REPLAYGAIN_TRACK_PEAK |
| 22:26:57 | * | Domonoky_ is happy to see another coder working on rbutil.. he should add himself to the credits of rbutil... :-) |
| 22:26:57 | senab | eihirn: that sounds like it's in the lame header |
| 22:27:22 | bluebrother | a mac coder would be great. |
| 22:27:31 | dionoea | Domonoky_: it's not like any of the changes i commited really matter |
| 22:27:40 | einhirn | Could be - I "replaygain'ized" some of my MP3s with "mp3gain" and the others with foobar. |
| 22:27:52 | * | Domonoky_ just hopes that your future changes matter .. *hehe* |
| 22:27:53 | ender` | einhirn: that's apev2 tag |
| 22:27:53 | [Rane] | senab: right, that's what I meant...I just couldn't phrase it right. Any way you slice it it's a quick click in playback and you can skim all over the place. |
| 22:27:58 | [Rane] | :) |
| 22:28:02 | amiconn | einhirn: That looks like APE tags |
| 22:28:16 | dionoea | Is auto detection of the archos recorder supposed to work ? (there's no recorder v1 6 GB in the player list btw) |
| 22:28:16 | amiconn | Rockbox only supports replaygain info in ID3v2 tags |
| 22:28:21 | einhirn | Ah. |
| 22:28:23 | einhirn | Hmm... |
| 22:28:42 | ender` | amiconn: not if you use the apev2 patch |
| 22:28:49 | senab | einhirn: use Mp3Tag to convert them to ID3v2 |
| 22:28:58 | [Rane] | Hang on, I'm a Mac coder...what was that in reference to? Wellllllll...I code *on* a Mac, not necessarily in the GUI...so I might be irrelevant to the "great." |
| 22:29:11 | amiconn | Not suporting APE tags in rockbox is on purpose |
| 22:29:33 | einhirn | APE not compatible to GPL? |
| 22:29:35 | Domonoky_ | dionoea: isnt that just a archos recoder ? |
| 22:29:47 | dionoea | well it mentions archos recorder 10 / 20 |
| 22:29:51 | senab | doesn't MPC use APE? |
| 22:29:56 | dionoea | should i change that to 6 / 10 / 20 ? |
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| 22:30:13 | Llorean | senab: He means in MP3. |
| 22:30:15 | Bagder | there's a recorder 15 too, wasn't it? |
| 22:30:18 | ender` | amiconn: why? the patch to add support seems pretty simple |
| 22:30:21 | senab | ahhhh, my bad |
| 22:30:26 | dionoea | + Is that supposed to work if i don't have a rockbox-info.txt file on the player ? |
| 22:30:39 | dionoea | Bagder: I don't remember |
| 22:30:44 | Domonoky_ | autodetection works for this device only if you already have rockbox installed with rbutil... not before.. as detection with usb pids isnt in place jet.. |
| 22:30:52 | dionoea | ah ok |
| 22:30:57 | amiconn | ender`: It's a philosophical thing. Each audio format has its tagging standard(s) |
| 22:30:59 | dionoea | What's missing for usb auto detection ? |
| 22:31:05 | amiconn | mp3 uses ID3 (v1 or v2) |
| 22:31:16 | bluebrother | the archos players have loads of PID clashes :( |
| 22:31:28 | Domonoky_ | dionoea: windows code to iterate the ids ... |
| 22:31:30 | amiconn | APE tags are for APE files, not for mp3 files |
| 22:31:31 | scorche | Bagder: yes |
| 22:31:34 | senab | APE can be used on most formats though |
| 22:31:35 | bluebrother | dionoea: detection works on linux for the players without clashes. |
| 22:31:41 | dionoea | ah ok |
| 22:31:52 | bluebrother | there is no good way to figure the mount point from the usb pid though. |
| 22:31:54 | Domonoky_ | but for the archos there is a way with files on the harddrive.. |
| 22:31:59 | amiconn | senab: *can* be used - perhaps. Should be used - no |
| 22:32:03 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 22:32:07 | bluebrother | and I'm having a hard time getting detection to work on windows without using libusb |
| 22:32:27 | bluebrother | see DeviceDetection wiki page. |
| 22:32:50 | senab | amiconn: im not saying it should, but at least there's only one revision on APEv2, unlike ID3v2 |
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| 22:33:31 | ender` | and apev2 doesn't contain stuff like "bright coloured fish" in docs :) |
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| 22:33:39 | einhirn | amiconn: so I'll go on and find the programmer who is responsible for putting apev2 tags in my mp3 files and hit him with a cluebyfour? |
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| 22:33:58 | Domonoky_ | einhirn: thats a good way.. :-) |
| 22:34:06 | bluebrother | einhirn: iirc old versions of foobar put apev2 tags to mp3 files |
| 22:34:07 | senab | and there's quite a few formats using APEv2 tags now: WavPack, MPC, Optimfrog, TAK |
| 22:34:18 | bluebrother | and the command line mp3gain does too. |
| 22:34:29 | Llorean | senab: And for the formats where ApeV2 is considered "native" we support it. |
| 22:34:45 | senab | bluebrother: only for the undo tag afaik |
| 22:34:53 | einhirn | bluebrother: And thats the one getting hit by a cluebyfour ;) |
| 22:35:00 | pixelma | and with a decent tag editor it's simple to remove the wrong tags |
| 22:35:27 | bluebrother | senab: yes, but it's ape ... |
| 22:35:30 | Llorean | mp3gain is a somewhat miserable program anyway, isn't it? The default method used to be to alter the MP3 and write undo tags, rather than writing the tags, wasn't it? |
| 22:35:50 | Llorean | So you had no album/track mode choice, or ability to turn it off.. |
| 22:35:52 | einhirn | pixelma: Problem occurs on bigger mp3 collections that are only synced by file date ;) |
| 22:36:37 | pixelma | and? |
| 22:36:48 | senab | llorean: thats a good thing when you're player doesn't support RG |
| 22:37:22 | Llorean | senab: Yep, but as a default method of operation somewhat contrary to the "replaygain" definition. |
| 22:37:27 | einhirn | pixelma: So I would need to remove the tags on both copies of the collection... |
| 22:37:33 | Llorean | And enough people seem to think MP3 gain simply *is* replaygain for that to be problematic. |
| 22:38:36 | einhirn | pixelma: and then resynchronize both copies again - a rather big hassle, especially when other Player software just works ;) |
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| 22:39:09 | Llorean | einhirn: You have software on a DAP that supports APEv2 replaygain tags? |
| 22:39:26 | senab | llorean: the trouble is there are very few RG scanners |
| 22:40:03 | senab | My next uni project was going to be implement a linux RG scanner |
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| 22:40:34 | Domonoky_ | implement it multiplatform as a plugin for rbutil.. *hehe* :-) |
| 22:40:37 | * | bluebrother committed linux usb pid detection |
| 22:40:38 | einhirn | Llorean: no, but ender`seems to have a patch ;) |
| 22:40:43 | Euro4Ever | when we edit a diff or a patch file, do we edit it with a text editor and save or do we save it in a special way so it would be usable by the patch tool ? |
| 22:40:58 | pixelma | einhirn: what's your replaygain patch doing, anyway? ;) |
| 22:40:59 | senab | Domonoky: thats an idea actually ;) |
| 22:41:01 | bluebrother | Euro4Ever: no. Diffs are just plain text files. |
| 22:41:07 | einhirn | pixelma: works |
| 22:41:10 | dionoea | hum ... there are no themes for archos recoder models ? |
| 22:41:10 | Euro4Ever | k |
| 22:41:19 | bluebrother | you should of course use an editor that doesn't change line endings |
| 22:41:19 | dionoea | (which means that i can't test the theme installation) |
| 22:41:29 | einhirn | pixelma: and is submitted as patch #7747 |
| 22:41:38 | pixelma | aha, nice |
| 22:42:10 | pixelma | (though I don't even have replaygain tagged files, as far as I know) |
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| 22:43:30 | einhirn | pixelma: There still are two open points - amiconns remark about the timing of the gain change on track change and the "NoClip"-Feature that effectively is useless on Archos Recorder. |
| 22:44:02 | einhirn | I could remove the "noclip" setting completely... but wasn't sure about it. |
| 22:44:37 | pixelma | wasn't that the one that needed a change in english.lang? |
| 22:45:46 | einhirn | yes - that was before I coded the logic that applies the gain. And I only found out that "noclip" is useless on a platform that can only attenuate when I programmed that ;) |
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| 22:46:16 | senab | llorean: thinking about the sticky seek thing, i think the hardest thing would manipulating the progress bar |
| 22:47:01 | Llorean | senab: Just look at how the normal seek does it. I'm making a wild guess here, but I'm assuming the normal seek does *something* on BUTTON_REL, and instead it just needs to do it on "Select" being pressed. |
| 22:47:48 | senab | but how would the user know where they'd seek too? you'd need to update the progress bar while the wheel scrolls |
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| 22:49:06 | Llorean | senab: Normal seek already updates the progress bar though, the seek doesn't happen until you release the button, but the progress bar position lets you know where you'll be. |
| 22:50:06 | senab | llorean: ahhhh, i get what you mean. should be easier than i thought then |
| 22:50:41 | Llorean | I'd implement the "sticky" part first. Just get it working with the normal FF/RW buttons, and select to "commit" the actual seek. Then work on adding fancy controls in. ;) |
| 22:50:45 | Llorean | But that's just how I'd go about things |
| 22:53:54 | dionoea | Are the theme screenshots downloaded everytime the selection changes in rbutil ? (like if i select one, change and come back it'll download it again) |
| 22:54:18 | bluebrother | dionoea: yes, unless you enable the cache in the configuration |
| 22:55:03 | dionoea | couldn't they be cached in a temp directory and deleted when rbutil is closed when "cross session cache" (or whatever it's called) is disabled ? |
| 22:55:27 | bluebrother | they could ... |
| 22:55:40 | dionoea | Ah, i'll do that then :) |
| 22:55:44 | bluebrother | shouldn't even be too hard to implement. |
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| 22:56:40 | dionoea | is httpget.cpp the place to edit ? |
| 22:56:48 | dionoea | s/place/filee/ |
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| 22:57:33 | dionoea | ah no ... looks like it's setCacheDir calls that need to be added |
| 22:57:41 | bluebrother | no −− check installthemes.cpp for setCache() |
| 22:58:11 | bluebrother | installthemes.cpp:81 |
| 22:58:16 | dionoea | found it. Thanks. |
| 22:58:26 | bluebrother | you're welcome :) |
| 22:59:03 | * | bluebrother goes back to this awful setupapi stuff |
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| 23:04:02 | dionoea | bluebrother: is there already a file to store helper functions (like a utils.cpp) ? (else i'll just add one) |
| 23:04:11 | Zagor | if you haven't heard: SCO has now filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy |
| 23:04:56 | bluebrother | dionoea: no. |
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| 23:05:17 | petur | Zagor: ouch |
| 23:05:28 | bluebrother | what does chapter 11 mean? |
| 23:05:44 | scorche | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_11 |
| 23:05:53 | * | petur stops typing ;) |
| 23:06:06 | bluebrother | thanks |
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| 23:08:22 | MStublefield | Hey all, just a quick question. About to head home from work and I just read a comment about Rockbox on Slashdot. Was curious if it is capable of syncing video to the iPod 5th generation video (30 gb) devices. |
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| 23:08:48 | bluebrother | Rockbox is a firmware, not a syncing application |
| 23:09:08 | MStublefield | Oh... hadn't quite registered that. |
| 23:09:37 | petur | did we make /. again? |
| 23:09:49 | MStublefield | In that case, I modify my question: Does anyone have experience with the firmware handling video, and if it does, what do you recommend for syncing? |
| 23:09:57 | Bagder | petur: there was some comments posted about us the other day |
| 23:10:03 | MStublefield | Not exactly, but there's a story about Apple releasing a firmware upgrade that locks out 3rd party synchronization apps. |
| 23:10:31 | bluebrother | MStublefield: Rockbox is a replacement firmware. We don't care much about apple's database and syncing stuff. |
| 23:10:47 | bluebrother | so you most likely won't get an answer here ... |
| 23:10:56 | bluebrother | (at least not for apple-specific questions) |
| 23:11:02 | MStublefield | Right, right, but surely if you have an mp3 device for playing audio, you're using something to put that audio on the device... |
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| 23:11:25 | Llorean | MStublefield: Rockbox doesn't need special software |
| 23:11:26 | scorche | with rockbox, you cna put the files on anyway you wish (including drag and drop) |
| 23:11:26 | saratoga | MStublefeld: yes, but what you use isn't a part of rockbox |
| 23:11:26 | MStublefield | So I was just curious what application people here recommended for that. I've tried Amarok and wasn't thrilled. Same for gtkpod. |
| 23:11:28 | Bagder | MStublefield: rsync, copy and paste, drag and drop... |
| 23:11:40 | saratoga | might want to look up what rockbox is |
| 23:11:41 | MStublefield | Scorche: Ah, fantastic. That's what I needed to know :-) |
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| 23:11:44 | saratoga | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox |
| 23:11:47 | bluebrother | Rockbox doesn't require you to use some sync application. A lot use simply windows explorer and similar |
| 23:11:51 | * | Llorean has made do with "Explorer", "Nautilus", "cmd.exe" and myriad others |
| 23:11:57 | MStublefield | Cool, cool. Thanks. |
| 23:12:03 | scorche | MStublefield: but, this is for rockbox....this isnt going to make things work with the OF |
| 23:12:06 | bluebrother | cp and rsync are also nice tools ;) |
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| 23:12:15 | MStublefield | Scorche: "OF?" |
| 23:12:20 | scorche | original firmware |
| 23:12:21 | bluebrother | Original Firmware |
| 23:12:24 | MStublefield | Yeah yeah, that's fine. |
| 23:12:42 | bluebrother | Rockbox can play videos, but only mpeg2 and it's rather limited to the Ipod video |
| 23:12:53 | bluebrother | as we can't use the video processor that Ipod contains. |
| 23:12:54 | scorche | s/to/on |
| 23:13:19 | Llorean | There's a patch in the tracker, I think, that gets another 0.8 fps out of it fullscreen, I hear. |
| 23:13:23 | MStublefield | Just wanted to make sure it can play video. Drag and drop is perfectly acceptable. I'd read the firmware part, but wanted to see if anyone had experience with it playing video. Some other programs claim they can do something, but don't always deliver. |
| 23:13:54 | saratoga | you should just use the apple firmware for video |
| 23:13:57 | bluebrother | video playback is somewhat experimental −− it's no priority here. But it works |
| 23:13:58 | MStublefield | And just the fact that Rockbox = firmware hadn't communicated to me that a synchronization program wasn't needed. I actually prefer not to need another program. |
| 23:14:14 | bluebrother | most likely you will dislike it compared to apples. |
| 23:14:20 | * | MStublefield shrugs. |
| 23:14:27 | MStublefield | iTunes doesn't run on Linux, so I don't have much of a choice. |
| 23:14:42 | MStublefield | OpenSUSE at work and Ubuntu at home. |
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| 23:15:17 | Llorean | MStublefield: As a point of reference, on the iPod Video you can expect less than 10fps fullscreen video in Rockbox. |
| 23:15:33 | Llorean | They devices are slow, the screens are big, and we can't use the Broadcom chip that the Apple firmware uses. |
| 23:15:54 | Bagder | erhm... |
| 23:16:00 | MStublefield | That is a bit of a hit... but I purchased the device for watching telecourses for class, so they're not super-detailed anyways. |
| 23:16:02 | Bagder | "so popular Linux iPod management tools like gtkpod and Rockbox will not work" |
| 23:16:09 | Bagder | from the article linked to from slashdot |
| 23:16:10 | Zagor | hehe, we're really selling rockbox hard :) |
| 23:16:16 | scorche | ... |
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| 23:16:17 | Bagder | http://ipodminusitunes.blogspot.com/2007/09/apple-cuts-us-off.html |
| 23:16:31 | Bagder | management tool |
| 23:16:36 | Llorean | Zagor: Hey, if someone buys an iPod Nano, or a Sansa or a Gigabeat, they'll get rather nice video. :) |
| 23:16:45 | MStublefield | For future reference, is there a better mp3/portable-video-device you might recommend when I look to get a new one someday? |
| 23:16:49 | scorche | Bagder: well, at least it has already been clarified int he comments |
| 23:17:00 | Bagder | true |
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| 23:17:02 | Llorean | MStublefield: Gigabeat F-series (F10/15/20/40/60) |
| 23:17:15 | bluebrother | http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/BuyersGuide might be interesting |
| 23:17:28 | obo | scorche: I tried to as well as I could :) |
| 23:17:41 | MStublefield | Ah, cool. Thanks bluebrother. |
| 23:17:49 | scorche | so *thats* where obo comes from =) |
| 23:17:52 | einhirn | re my yammering about the way the next,prev,etc-Links appear in the HTML documentation: I have found something promising - only my environment to build the manual doesn't work somehow... |
| 23:17:54 | bluebrother | apple cut off Rockbox with the nano2G quite a while ago ... |
| 23:18:33 | bluebrother | einhirn: if you have a patch around I can try it out |
| 23:18:35 | obo | scorche: yup - it was around the time of the whole real names thing... ;) |
| 23:18:38 | einhirn | http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~gurari/TeX4ht/mn7.html#QQ1-7-26 says that "sequential prev-next links within the hierarchy, instead of the default hierarchical ones, can be requested with the \lquote next\rquote parameter." |
| 23:18:47 | pixelma | einhirn: what system are you running? |
| 23:18:51 | scorche | obo: as i dont wish to register, can you ask in there that he edit the blog itself to prevent future confusion? |
| 23:18:56 | einhirn | bluebrother: Windows/Cygwin |
| 23:19:06 | einhirn | err - make that |
| 23:19:14 | obo | scorche: sure |
| 23:19:17 | einhirn | pixelma: Windows/Cywin |
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| 23:19:33 | Bagder | http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/09/14/1831236.shtml is the /. post btw |
| 23:19:57 | MStublefield | Welp, I'll give this a go when I get home. |
| 23:20:02 | MStublefield | Hopefully it doesn't brick my iPod... |
| 23:20:05 | pixelma | einhirn: until now, I couldn't get the tex4ht package running for building the html manual :\ pdf version works fine |
| 23:20:06 | einhirn | bluebrother: I'm pretty sure that the "next"-parameter belongs into the "Makefile.pdflatex" in /manual |
| 23:20:17 | pixelma | in cygwin that is |
| 23:20:37 | scorche | ack http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=298231&cid=20607663 |
| 23:20:42 | einhirn | pixelma: yup |
| 23:21:26 | einhirn | pixelma: normally I wouldn't care, but now that I said that there was room for improvement I'd like to try it out - anyway... |
| 23:21:55 | MStublefield | Last question. When I throw Rockbox on the iPod, does that wipe it completely and I have to put everything back on there? |
| 23:22:06 | Llorean | MStublefield: Nope. |
| 23:22:11 | scorche | not unless you format the device |
| 23:22:17 | MStublefield | Fantastic. Thanks for answering my questions. |
| 23:22:29 | petur | if you want to add a binary file to svn (like a screenshot), do you need to do anything more than just svn add? It gets detected as binary automatically I think? |
| 23:22:30 | Llorean | MStublefield: We even have a very handy manual to help you get acquainted and take you through the install and use, etc. |
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| 23:22:36 | * | MStublefield nods. |
| 23:22:43 | MStublefield | I'll start reading once I get home. Don't have the cable here. |
| 23:22:49 | MStublefield | Have a good day, and thanks again. |
| 23:23:08 | einhirn | bluebrother: like change "$(HTLATEX) $(DOCUMENT) "$(HTOPTS1),2" $(HTOPTS2) $(HTOPTS3);" to "$(HTLATEX) $(DOCUMENT) "$(HTOPTS1),2,next" $(HTOPTS2) $(HTOPTS3);" |
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| 23:23:35 | bluebrother | petur: I had cases where svn didn't detect the file as binary. You need to set svn:mime-type in that case (to octet/stream) |
| 23:23:44 | pixelma | you would need to install the tex4ht package manually, there is no pre-made one you could install with the setup.exe. The installation instructions for this package include changing some paths, I couldn't figure out what the correct paths would be under cygwin |
| 23:23:44 | einhirn | bluebrother: at least thats what I would have tried... |
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| 23:24:42 | pixelma | petur: if it is a screenshot I'd rather take image/png (provided it is a png) |
| 23:25:01 | pixelma | as svn:mime-type |
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| 23:25:18 | bluebrother | you can use almost everything that is different to plain/text and it will be treated as binary. |
| 23:25:25 | * | petur tries |
| 23:26:19 | dionoea | bluebrother: shouldn't line 58 in httpget.cpp be m_usecache = result; ? (ie use cache if the dir exists or if it was created succesfuly) |
| 23:26:36 | einhirn | ender`: where do I find the apev2-patch that you mentioned? |
| 23:26:46 | ender` | in the bugtracker |
| 23:26:51 | ender` | which player do you have? |
| 23:27:03 | nsfx | is there a shortcut to force close rockbox? it's stuck on the "shuffling " dialog |
| 23:27:15 | Euro4Ever | whent appling a patch and its dependencies , do we need to apply them one by one or is there a faster methode? i'm using cygwin |
| 23:28:22 | bluebrother | dionoea: from a quick look it looks like, but I'm wondering why it worked ... |
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| 23:28:40 | dionoea | it works if you add a call to setCache(true) right afterwards |
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| 23:29:37 | bluebrother | did I call that? IIRC I didn't |
| 23:30:04 | dionoea | yeah, you didn't. |
| 23:30:12 | dionoea | (At least not in installthemes.cpp) |
| 23:30:17 | bluebrother | but I had caching working ... /me is puzzled. |
| 23:30:35 | einhirn | ender`: I have an archos recorder v1 |
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| 23:33:21 | bluebrother | dionoea: hmm −− seems I did something really overcompilcated there. Not inverting result breaks the caching. |
| 23:33:42 | dionoea | inverting it doesn't enable it though |
| 23:34:00 | bluebrother | have you enabled the cache in the configuration dialog? It's disabled as default |
| 23:34:27 | einhirn | ender`: looks like the patch isn't for me then? |
| 23:34:29 | dionoea | no, i just want to have a cache for the theme info stuff which will be deleted when the theme dialog is closed |
| 23:34:51 | bluebrother | well, you just need to set a valid path for caching. |
| 23:35:00 | dionoea | yep, + setCache(true) |
| 23:35:02 | dionoea | else it doesn't work |
| 23:35:10 | ender` | hm, i don't know why it wouldn't work for you. anyway, if you had an iriver, i could compile patched rockbox for you |
| 23:35:26 | bluebrother | hmm. And why is the cache working even if I never called setCache(true)?= |
| 23:35:36 | * | bluebrother did something really strange there |
| 23:35:39 | dionoea | I honestly don't have a clue :) |
| 23:36:10 | bluebrother | well, from what I intended it should work if you set setCache to some valid path. |
| 23:36:22 | bluebrother | without the explicit need to setCache(true) |
| 23:36:28 | einhirn | ender`: I have a build environment ;) And I at a first glance at the code it seems like that patch works on things that aren't used on the Archos platform... |
| 23:37:53 | * | petur is getting fed up with his svn problems :/ |
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| 23:39:36 | dionoea | bluebrother: it logs "[HTTP] cache DISABLED" if i only call igetter.setCache("some path"); |
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| 23:43:11 | Domonoky_ | cache works for me... without an extra call to setCache(true).. |
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| 23:45:24 | Domonoky_ | and it seems to work because it fails to create the rbutil-cache dir.. :-) and just uses the dir above.. |
| 23:45:50 | bluebrother | it looks ok here, but not for the first request. |
| 23:45:55 | Domonoky_ | then mkdir returns false, and as the result is negated, chaing is enablend :-) |
| 23:45:57 | dionoea | ah, that's why it was poluting my /tmp |
| 23:46:02 | dionoea | I'll fix that |
| 23:46:35 | bluebrother | also me sloppily leaving out some braces was a bad idea in setCache |
| 23:49:39 | Euro4Ever | when the patch tool asks "file to patch and the file to patch is one dir up, please what the exact syntaxe? |
| 23:50:23 | bluebrother | patches should usually get created so you can apply them with "patch -p0 < filename.patch" from the source root |
| 23:50:44 | dionoea | how do you toggle the debug output for rbutilqt ? |
| 23:50:59 | dionoea | (looks like i disabled it somehow and i can't find how to enable it again) |
| 23:51:00 | bluebrother | run qmake with the option -config dbg |
| 23:51:23 | dionoea | thanks |
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| 23:54:07 | Euro4Ever | if a hunk is rejected, does it mean the patch won't work ? |
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| 23:54:22 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 23:54:42 | Euro4Ever | damn ! patching is not for me |
| 23:54:51 | bluebrother | you need to manually re-sync the patch by checking the differences. |
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| 23:56:56 | einhirn | bluebrother: the "next" commandline option to htlatex does something, but not what I wanted it to do ;) |
| 23:57:24 | Euro4Ever | arff... too hard.... I give up :( |
| 23:57:42 | bluebrother | einhirn: too bad |
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| 23:58:42 | pixelma | einhirn: did you get tex4ht running in cygwin or did you find it out another way? |
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