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#rockbox log for 2007-09-15

00:01:30 Quit sarixe ("Peace")
00:01:57*petur kicks his svn trees around
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00:03:58amiconnpetur: Still problems?
00:04:19amiconnI'd just scrap the tree and do a fresh checkout if it doesn't work
00:04:23peturyes, looks like I got two trees that hang on commit :(
00:04:31peturdoing that now...
00:04:40amiconn(making a diff of anything important before)
00:04:53einhirnOr not.
00:05:16einhirnHmm - I can configure the appearance, but not the ordering of the crosslinks *grumpf*
00:05:57peturI think I see what happened, the patch I tried does some strange things...
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00:29:36SoulPropagationHey again, how hard is it to make themes for RB?
00:32:13Euro4Everis there a guy here who is maintaining the perl script
00:32:21Robin0800SoulPropagation,not very if only for one target
00:32:25scorcheSoulPropagation: well, that is subjective...
00:33:57*einhirn yawns - einhirn is tired - einhirn has to go to bed
00:33:57Robin0800SoulPropagation,download a theme you like and look at how its made, it's componant parts
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00:34:26 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier.")
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00:35:37MStublefieldHey again everyone.
00:36:41Robin0800SoulPropagation,if you understand all that it is easy to modify it to what you want
00:37:00MStublefieldSo, some troubles with putting Rockbox on the iPod...
00:37:27*petur hugs tortoisesvn for not being so picky as its linux cousin
00:37:28MStublefieldNamely that it reported successful, then upon restarting the iPod, it can't load rockbox.ipod, "File not found," and my compy no longer sees the device.
00:37:44Robin0800MStublefield,have you read the manual?
00:38:11MStublefieldNot all 149 pages of it, no.
00:38:17MStublefieldWas working through the bootloader instructions.
00:38:19SoulPropagationRobin0800: Is it basically a conf file and a bunch on pngs and stylesheet/gtkrc style things?
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00:38:49SoulPropagationa bunch of *
00:39:17scorcheMStublefield: you skipped the "installing the firmware" step
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00:39:57MStublefieldYou know, I get paid to do this kind of stuff? And yet every once in a while, I'll overlook some mundane detail...
00:40:05MStublefieldIt's like I live in Office Space.
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00:40:17Robin0800SoulPropagation,bmps. wps file, config file and fonts
00:40:44SoulPropagationRobin0800: doesn't sound too hard at all... I'll let you know what I come up with
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00:42:38MStublefieldThere, fixed.
00:43:47*bluebrother points to
00:45:29Robin0800bluebrother,that does not autodetect all the ipods yet!
00:45:29MStublefieldIs there a quick and easy way to increase the font size?
00:45:52Robin0800MStublefield,brouse fonts
00:45:54BigBambiMStublefield: Install the font pack
00:45:58BigBambiThis is in the manual
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00:47:30chrisjs169Hey DataGhost
00:47:31MStublefieldCool, thanks.
00:47:49chrisjs169DataGhost, sorry - didn't press tab enough times
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00:48:39DavidGWRawsonI have a question about reverse engineering firmware, if thats on-topic here.
00:49:51DavidGWRawsonIs there an application that I can use to decompile it?
00:50:15linuxstbWhich firmware?
00:50:19scorcheDavidGWRawson: reverse engineering what firmware?
00:50:34 Quit ender` (" Everything we know about the Devil has been told us by the the friends of God.")
00:50:37DavidGWRawsonM200 Sansa
00:50:39Euro4Everdo you know of a document describing how to automate task under scygwin? i'm googling but can't find what i want
00:51:35linuxstbEuro4Ever: Search for help about "bash" (the default shell in cygwin).
00:52:01Euro4Everlids: ok i try thx
00:52:01linuxstbOr something like "shell scripts"
00:52:31linuxstbDavidGWRawson: What kind of CPU is it using?
00:52:39scorcheDavidGWRawson: what do you plan to accomplish by r/e this firmware?
00:53:10lidswrong one, i think
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00:53:29DavidGWRawsonA new port for rockbox.
00:53:44scorchebut how? will r/e this firmware help you do that?
00:53:53DavidGWRawsonTo see how it works?
00:53:56BigBambiDavidGWRawson: And what hardware does it have?
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00:54:21scorcheDavidGWRawson: if you cant understand C, you WILL NOT understand isnt very easy
00:54:36DavidGWRawsonJust some chips, I opened it and found the processor, by Telechips.
00:54:58linuxstbExactly what chip? TCC770?
00:55:03BigBambilol, just some chips - those are faily important
00:55:32maxkelleythere's a wikipage on the m200.
00:55:33DavidGWRawsonYes Tcc770!
00:55:57linuxstbThen you need an ARM disassembler. arm-elf-objdump is a very basic one, or IDA Pro.
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00:56:21BigBambiDavidGWRawson: And what else? LCD controller for instance?
00:56:22DavidGWRawsonso I svn something?
00:56:25maxkelleyI thought I already disassembled the m200 fw.
00:56:41***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
00:56:41BigBambimaxkelley: He won't have checked
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00:57:32*eigma <3 IDA
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00:58:07 Quit petur ("Zzzz")
00:58:24ddaltoncan anyone help me with voicebox here?
00:59:13DavidGWRawsonok, never mind then.....
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00:59:39maxkelleymax tired.
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01:03:13pixelmamaxkelley: did you try doom on c200? I had a hard time deciphering the game menu in the sim (but worked)
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01:08:00delYsidhmm, anyone working on an eartraining plugin yet?
01:08:25dionoeanot that i know.
01:09:47delYsidThis idea of a portable eartraining gadget is floating my mind since at least a year now, seems like rockbox is *the* opportunity to make it a reality.
01:10:16maxkelleypixelma: erm, I get the error of no WAD file, but haven't worked it out.
01:10:21maxkelleyI will after foodtime.
01:10:27Kupopopear training?
01:11:00delYsidKupopop: yeah, like playing back random chords and letting the user guess the type of chord...
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01:11:25MStublefieldMmm... thanks for the help earlier, everyone. Rockbox is quite pretty :-) It's nice to take yet another step along the path of nerddom, too.
01:11:37delYsidsounds relatively easy, I just wonder how to use simple file playback from within a plugin
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01:11:59DavidGWRawsonWhat if I could make rockbox entirely 3D?
01:12:00pixelmamaxkelley: how to "fix" that is explained in the PluginDoom page... someone said that doom would freeze on their e2x0 player though
01:12:04BigBambiMStublefield: Heh, no problem. Questions are always welcome, but we do appreciate reading the manual and checking wiki/forums first
01:12:13BigBambiDavidGWRawson: Go ahead
01:12:40MStublefieldYeah, but the 149 page heading for the manual was a bit daunting. Taking 30 seconds to ask and wait for an answer was a bit easier, and my time's limited this evening.
01:12:42DavidGWRawsonI'll try, after a little more coding practice. =)
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01:13:40MStublefieldOoh, pause fades in and out...
01:13:42MStublefieldVery fancy.
01:13:44BigBambiMStublefield: Yeah, but it is annoying to repeatedly answer the same questions - that is why the manual was written. It is searchable, and has contents...
01:14:03BigBambiAnyway, glad you got it sorted :)
01:14:14MStublefieldAnd thanks again.
01:15:03BigBambiMStublefield: No worries, enjoy
01:15:30chrisjs169DavidGWRawson, how 3d do you plan to make it?
01:15:59DavidGWRawsonI don't know, little 3D effects to start with.
01:16:17DavidGWRawsonI saw the 3D cube demo, and I thought it had some potential.
01:16:21*bluebrother wonders if there are devs with limited time ... as quite some users of that kind exist :/
01:16:27DavidGWRawsonNot to mention doom.
01:16:40chrisjs169can't wait to see it
01:16:52DavidGWRawsonIt'll probably take some work.
01:16:56DavidGWRawsonQuite a bit.
01:17:06BigBambiA lot
01:17:37DavidGWRawsonBut it would be cool, wouldn't it?
01:17:50BigBambiI'm not bothered
01:18:24chrisjs169it'd be cool if the Sansa could handle it
01:19:11DavidGWRawsonIt would be hard to make the code efficient enough to make it work smoothly....
01:20:26DavidGWRawsonI think it would be even cooler to make the textures custom, like bitmaps. Using the themes.
01:20:38chrisjs169how long do you think it'd take to do all that?
01:21:18DavidGWRawsonRockbox evolves over time.
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01:21:48chrisjs169would it really take years?
01:21:55scorcheDavidGWRawson: a bit of wise advice: work on the basics before you start on to more advanced projects
01:22:33BigBambiDavidGWRawson: Learning some C and writing a simple plugin would be a start
01:22:39linuxstbJdGordon: (for the logs) -
01:23:05DavidGWRawsonI looked at the plugin making wiki. Helloworld.c. Seems somewhat simple enough.
01:23:20scorchethen make a slightly more advanced item
01:23:55scorchesomething that can manipulate a list of numbers in some way, perhaps
01:24:08DavidGWRawsonI'm testing my first attempt at making rockbox 3D. (120% chance it wont work)
01:24:13DavidGWRawsonAn algorithm?
01:24:43scorchepoint is, to get to the roof of a building, you ahve to go up the cant just jump tot he roof
01:24:58DavidGWRawsonUnless your Neo.
01:24:59dionoeaexcept if you're a super hero
01:25:02dionoeagra :(
01:25:19scorcheto sate curiosity, what did you do for this first attempt?
01:25:39DavidGWRawsonEy, C compiler in the player itself.
01:25:50BigBambiDavidGWRawson: That makes no sense
01:26:22DavidGWRawsonI just put in little equations and now I'm gonna see what happens.
01:26:34scorchecan you give me an example?
01:26:44BigBambiOr a diff?
01:26:57DavidGWRawsona diff....ok, I'll make one.
01:27:03DavidGWRawsonOh, and it crashed....
01:27:10Kupopopis a 3d interface actually practical or is it just a gimmick?
01:27:25scorcheKupopop: depends who you ask...
01:27:32DavidGWRawsonSimple 3D sprites. GIF!!!
01:27:37Kupopopyou could just simulate it with animations
01:27:51DavidGWRawsonI was thinking the same thing!
01:28:07DavidGWRawsonWhat about gif backdrops>
01:28:19scorchewhat about them?
01:28:24DavidGWRawsonit would be neat
01:28:45scorchethen implement dont have to run every idea that crosses your head to us
01:28:57DavidGWRawsonOK! I WILL!
01:29:09bluebrotheranimated backdrops would be annoying at best.
01:29:24bluebrotherbut feel free to create a patch ...
01:29:52Kupopopyou could use an animation of that fat european kid miming to that song...
01:29:57DavidGWRawsonSecond thought, I agree with you bluebrother. But I mean slow, ambient motion.
01:30:05DavidGWRawsonNuma Numa
01:30:15BigBambiOn topic please
01:30:19Kupopopyes I think that will match any song
01:30:28bluebrotherenough strange ideas for today. bye.
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01:31:55DavidGWRawsonHow hard would it be to port halo 3 to rockbox?
01:32:09scorcheare you joking?
01:32:11BigBambiDavidGWRawson: Don't be stupid
01:32:26DavidGWRawsonOk, original mdk.
01:32:44DavidGWRawsonThat's one step up from doom.
01:33:02Kupopopbrowse fonts dosent browse fonts?
01:33:14Kupopopthe hard drive light goes on for a bit but nothing happens
01:33:17BigBambiKupopop: Have you installed the fonts
01:33:20scorcheare you going to keep putting out every single idea to this channel?
01:33:24KupopopI can see the font files in the directory
01:33:31Kupopopoh wait
01:33:34DavidGWRawsonno. bye then
01:34:57Kupopopso after compiling I need to copy the fonts directory from source to the .rockbox directory?
01:35:37BigBambiIf you are compiling make full zip then extract that, it includes the fonts
01:36:18pixelmayou can also "make fullzip" but if you didn't change anything within the fonts you don't need that
01:36:33Kupopopoh okay I did make zip before
01:36:37BigBambiyes sorry, remove the space from what I put
01:36:38Kupopopthat must have been it
01:37:18DavidGWRawsonWhy won't the simulator compile?
01:37:29BigBambiDavidGWRawson: Specifics
01:38:16DavidGWRawsonIt says "cannot find sourcecode 8208245 5.5"
01:39:20linuxstbWhat did you type before that error message appeared?
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01:40:02DavidGWRawsondidnt find sdl-config
01:40:18BigBambiDavidGWRawson: Have you installed SDL?
01:40:42DavidGWRawsonsvn svn:\\sdl.tar.gz?
01:41:03BigBambisudo apt-get install libsdl-dev
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01:41:19BigBambiassuming you are on debian/debian derivative
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01:44:11chrisjs169|winxplinuxstb: I tested your (modified) copy of e200rpatcher
01:44:51chrisjs169|winxpit sort of works
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01:45:12chrisjs169|winxp[INFO] Patching application uploaded successfully!
01:45:38chrisjs169|winxpHowever, nothing happens on the screen (am I missing the bootloader file?)
01:46:27chrisjs169|winxpWhen I try to run it again, it *does* say that it can't find the Sansa, which (to me) means that the Sansa tried to execute the bootloader, but failed
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01:47:34chrisjs169|winxpoh, figured
01:47:44chrisjs169|winxpI check the forum to see I'm late
01:48:02web-tazsry for the question, but why has this patch: no ending (*.patch *.diff) and why doesn't it start like others with index and so on...?
01:48:56linuxstbweb-taz: Ask the patch creator - it sounds like they haven't followed the recommended way to create a patch.
01:48:56chrisjs169|winxpweb-taz: looks to me like it's a patch, just created in a different program
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01:49:32web-tazi just need to know which ending I must add, patch or diff?
01:49:43web-tazor doesnt it matter?
01:49:55dionoeait doesn't matter
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01:50:09dionoeathey're just plain text files
01:50:57chrisjs169|winxplinuxstb: I think I see the problem
01:51:07chrisjs169|winxpno bootloader file is being defined
01:51:25chrisjs169|winxpunless it's built in
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01:52:20einhirnamiconn: you there?
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01:52:38amiconnYour patch is a bit strange, I must say
01:52:49einhirnThought about the timing issue with the buffer a bit.
01:52:52einhirnWhat about it?
01:53:08amiconnFirst, when the "prevent clipping" option does not, and can not, do anything - why did you include it at all?
01:53:38amiconnWe already have too many option, so an option that doesn't do anything is really bad
01:53:55einhirnI know about that - didn't want to exclude it before discussing it.
01:54:00einhirnWill remove.
01:54:09einhirnNext issue?
01:54:22amiconnI also wonder where all the parameters of mp3_init() went. Are they not necessary?
01:54:37einhirnNope, they aren't any more.
01:55:00einhirnThats what the call to "sound_settings_apply" is for
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01:55:26amiconnAh, so we actually set all the sound options twice in svn?
01:55:39amiconnNice catch...
01:56:30einhirnproblem is that "audio_is_initialized" (or how that variable is called) is only set in "mp3_init". So any Setter routine in "sound.c" will do nothing before "mp3_init"
01:56:58einhirnAnd thats why all those parameters were passed to mp3_init - to call the "sound.c"-Setters from there.
01:57:26einhirnOf course, since the Replaygain config was missing there, it didn't get initialized on boot.
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01:58:00einhirnAnd now it is initialized because the setters for it are (also) called in sound_settings_apply();
01:58:47amiconnThere's a strange preprocessor sequence in void sound_set_replaygain(void)
01:59:08einhirnyes, I copied it from dsp.c
01:59:23amiconn#if CONFIG_CODEC == SWCODEC / #else /* only here something happens */ #endif
01:59:24chrisjs169|winxpsorry - Sansa and a few cards fell
01:59:47amiconnWhy not just #if CONFIG_CODEC != SWCODEC, saving the else?
01:59:56linuxstbchrisjs169|winxp: e200rpatcher doesn't upload a bootloader - it uploads a built-in application which runs on the e200r and patches the existing bootloader.
02:00:04chrisjs169|winxplinuxstb: ok
02:00:18amiconnThat strange sequence is actually used several times
02:00:30einhirnWell, the other setter routines needed the else, so I didn't leave it out on my setters ;)
02:00:49chrisjs169|winxpis it possible there's a problem with the application? it seems that the sansa is accepting the upload, because it seems to 'exit' Manufacturing mode
02:00:56pixelmapreparing for playback engine unification ;)
02:01:08einhirnOk, thats noted, too.
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02:01:36amiconnAnd finally, I still don't like the 64 bit multiplication. Maybe I'll come up with something easier...
02:01:55chrisjs169|winxpseems similar to when I tested a previous copy of e200rpatcher on my sansa using a bad copy of the patcher
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02:03:09einhirnamiconn: yes - I use that excessivly when especially the "mono" and "karaoke" settings could exist without the multiplication.
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02:03:28einhirnThese cases could be handled with Bitwise operations, I think.
02:03:59amiconnEven for the generic case (variable stereo width) we don't need the full 64 bit
02:04:19*amiconn checks whether svn rockbox already uses muldi3 on sh
02:04:57*chrisjs169|winxp will be right back - going to Linux computer
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02:05:42amiconnHmm, it doesn't
02:05:47einhirnBut we have 25 relevant Bits in the Gain factor and 20 relevant Bits in the MAS-Parameter, so I'd need 64 Bits, don't I?
02:06:07amiconnNot necessarily; we'll see
02:06:22amiconnThe final result only has 20 bits, not 45
02:06:37einhirnthat is true.
02:07:16amiconnThe MAS parameter (before applying replaygain) only has ~8 relevant bits
02:07:18einhirnI kept to the "Optimisation" Guideline: "Just do it later"
02:07:27amiconn...because it's calculated from a percentage
02:07:47einhirn... in the case "custom"
02:08:12amiconnYes, and in the other cases it's just proper shifting
02:09:00*amiconn probably has to calculate replaygain tags for a copy of a few albums in order to test this patch
02:09:48einhirnamiconn: be sure to save them in idv2 tags! ;)
02:09:57amiconnOf course
02:10:05amiconnI'll delete that copy later anyway
02:11:03einhirnI just had to recalculate tags for about 1000 mp3s because I dropped the rg-info when removing the apev2 header - without an ID3v2 header being there...
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02:13:58TofuHi, sorry to barge in like that with a question right away, but I just need a confirmation of what I think is true and I'd appreciate an answer from someone more knowledgable than myself.
02:14:34chrisjs169Tofu, ask your question ;)
02:14:41TofuAnyway, I'm pretty sure you can install Rockbox on this 80G iPod: (the page is in Japanese, but there's a model number on top of the page)
02:14:45Tofuam I right?
02:16:06chrisjs169if the generation is listed on the Rockbox site, it should work
02:16:16dionoeaipod classic is the name for the new ipods right ?
02:16:20Tofuthe model number in question is MB029J/A - I have no idea which generation that would be, that's the problem
02:16:35dionoea(and new ipods use new hardware so rockbox doens't work on them)
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02:17:25Tofucrap, let me check on the japanese Apple site again - I couldn't find generation info there but maybe I didn't look close enough
02:18:12chrisjs169Apple needs to make it clear what Gen it is
02:18:12TofuI just need some music player fast - my old iRiver H320 died on me last week and I'm musically impaired since ;)
02:19:21Tofuyeah, I'm looking at the specifications sheet right now and no dice - they have a ton of information, but nothing o the generation :(
02:20:07Tofuthen again, dionoea, you're saying that "classic" is the name of the new line, so it seems I gotta look for something else
02:20:13TofuI'm allergic to iTunes
02:20:25dionoeaTofu: I'm not 100% sure.
02:20:35chrisjs169lot of pages in German...
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02:21:25Tofuthey seem to have another 80GB model - MA448J/A - this one is more expensive, but seems to have been on the market much longer
02:22:09chrisjs169looks like it's either 5th gen or 6th gen
02:22:40Tofubut if it's 6th Rockbox will not work, right?
02:24:05scorchethe classic is the 6th gen
02:24:29Tofua-ha! didn't think it would work, but it did - just changed the prefix in wikipedia to ja. and I got the japanese page - classic is ingeed 6th gen :(
02:25:50Tofutoo bad the older 80GB model costs almost as much as the 6th gen classic 160GB :/
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02:27:21web-tazwhat went wrong when i'm asked: "File to patch:" after trying to apply a patch? skipping the patch leads back to this question...
02:27:43web-tazshould i search the files the patch would change or should i name the patchfile?
02:32:02TofuAll right, thanks for your help - I guess I just have to go to the store and see if they have any 5.5th gen ipods there still... or get another player that supports Rockbox ;)
02:32:29kfazzanybody know what lcd_invertscroll does?
02:32:43SoulPropagationsounds like it makes it scroll the other way than it normally does
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02:34:04kfazzi was thinking color inversion.. trying to find the code where bar line selector happens
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02:37:06DarkJesusJust want to make sure about something before I buy it
02:37:33DarkJesusI was going to get an iaudio M5L and then buy a larger double platter drive for it
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02:37:38DarkJesusFirstly, is this possible?
02:37:58DarkJesusSecondly, will rockbox work perfectly with the iaudio M5 and the larger drive?
02:39:19linuxstbIIRC, it's possible to put a double-platter drive in an X5L if you remove the 2nd battery. I don't know about the M5L though. But it's just a physical issue - Rockbox shouldn't have any problem.
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02:39:33DarkJesusAlright, good
02:39:46DarkJesusThe M5L is going for cheaper though
02:39:56DarkJesusBut it should be possible to put the larger drive in
02:40:07DarkJesusAnyone know what type of battery life I should expect afterwards?
02:40:19amiconnDarkJesus: Yes, but you need one with the correct connector
02:40:26DarkJesusYeah, I know
02:40:28DarkJesus50 pin IDE
02:40:36DarkJesusI already made that mistake once...
02:41:03amiconnBattery life will be like normal M5 (not L) afterwards
02:41:08DarkJesusAnyway, having one less battery will obviously lessen the battery life, but I hear these new drives are more power efficient
02:41:11DarkJesusOh, alright
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02:41:25DarkJesusI need to research then
02:41:37amiconnThe M5 has a battery capacity of 950mAh, the M5L has 2250mAh
02:41:46DarkJesusI should be able to get it with the 60/80GB drive for about £170, which is nice
02:42:07linuxstbDarkJesus: Have you found a source for the 80GB drive?
02:42:09DarkJesusI can sell the 20GBer that comes with it, to get a little back :)
02:42:17DarkJesuslinuxstb: no and I probably won't
02:42:26DarkJesusspan had it, but it is discontinued
02:43:11linuxstbI can't recall span ever having it - it was always due in the future, then became discontinued... (I might have missed it though)
02:43:16amiconnNow if someone made an ata50-zif adapter...
02:43:36DarkJesusAll these new large drives are zif
02:44:08*amiconn is a happy owner of an H140 upgraded with an MK8007GAH :)
02:44:56DarkJesusWhere did you get it from?
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02:45:00DarkJesusI want one!
02:45:23DarkJesusAmerican ebay?
02:45:25linuxstbI bought one from a US ebay shop, but they stopped selling them shortly after I bought it.
02:46:00amiconnNo, .de
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02:46:35einhirnamiconn: while working on "sound.c" found out what I need the "else" for ;) So the compiler stops complaining about unused variables ;)
02:46:40amiconnAnd it wasn't from a shop.
02:47:02web-tazsomeone managed to link a ZIF HDD with an iriver
02:47:05einhirnOf course I need to "(void)value" in case of "SWCODEC"
02:47:27DarkJesusIs it wise to get a refurbished drive?
02:47:30SoulPropagationI tell ya, those ZIF connectors are a real pain in the butt
02:47:39DarkJesusLike this: ?
02:47:39linuxstbThe 60GB drive (MK6006GAH) seems good value though - $80 on ebay US (buy it now).
02:47:55SoulPropagationDarkJesus: if it's from a seller with lotsa good feedback and a guarantee then yes
02:48:02DarkJesusAlright then
02:48:23amiconneinhirn: Uh? Swcodec shouldn't have these functions as they won't be used (as swcodec sets replaygain in dsp_*)
02:49:10einhirnyes, but if swcodecs compile sound.c/sound.h
02:49:45amiconnMake all these functions #if CONFIG_CODE != SWCODEC ...
02:49:59amiconnThe whole functions, not just the body
02:50:38einhirnI thought about that too, but then I thought, that maybe they'd get called somewhere sometime and then they'd not be defined.
02:51:01einhirnOTOH - if they are called and have an empty body, the caller has done something wrong ;)
02:51:04amiconnWhy should they get called?
02:51:23einhirnDunno ;)
02:52:28amiconnKeeping them is bad, as you won't notice immediately if they do get called (they would just not do anything), while if they're not there and something tries to call them, you'll get a linker error and notice immediately
02:52:34amiconn(symbol not defined)
02:53:09einhirnyes - thats what I meant with my "OTOH - ..." some minute ago ;)
02:53:30amiconnweb-taz: Saw that. But such an adapter isn't easy to make by hand, you might have problems to get the necessary connectors etc
02:56:06web-tazyes its difficult, but i think you just have to connect the right pins
02:56:16web-tazand he made instructions for that
02:56:37web-tazi wouldn't try that either...
02:56:40amiconnYes, with a pin spacing of ~0.5 mm
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02:59:16DarkJesusPretty sure it will be a 60GB drive I will end up getting
02:59:36web-tazSata or ZiF? ;)
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03:00:52amiconnCertainly not sata
03:00:52web-tazwell im totally sure, that i've ended up with a failed first try to patch :-/
03:01:11web-tazand so i'll end up a bit frustrated in my bed
03:01:18web-tazgood night all together
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03:15:42einhirnI've modified and added a new revision of the patch.
03:15:56einhirnIt compiles ;) I hope it still works ;)
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03:33:21aliaskAnyone familiar with the software usb in trunk at the moment?
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03:42:06einhirnamiconn: anyway about the MAS-Buffer Timing issue - if it ever is important enough - it could probably be solved by using the fact that every MP3 frame contains the same sample count - using the sample rate that is detected anyway one could give a pretty good estimate how long current track will still play by keeping track of the frames in the buffer.
03:42:16einhirnAnd I really need some sleep now ;)
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03:42:53sevenfoldizmHello? Is there anybody here currently that can help me out with a roadblock I've encountered while trying to patch the bootloader on my Sansa e260r?
03:43:23aliasksevenfoldizm: Probably plenty, just ask your question
03:43:40sevenfoldizmOk thinks, here goes...
03:46:25sevenfoldizmI'm working on patching the bootloader while using an ubuntu live cd. I'm on step 2, when I hold the record button down and execute the command it says it found the device but failed to claim the interface. (Operation not permitted) Then it searches for another device which it can't find and ends the task.
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03:48:14sevenfoldizmCrap, Sorry for the trouble I just realized there was a thread with this exact problem in the forums!
03:49:32sevenfoldizmhmmm ok, does anyone know what this guy means when he says "Run it with 'sudo'"
03:49:55aliaskStick "sudo" before the command
03:50:04aliaskIt makes the command run with admin rights
03:50:11sevenfoldizmwith or without a space?
03:50:24sevenfoldizmok, thank you aliask I'll try it
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04:04:54sevenfoldizmEncountered another roadblock.
04:05:56sevenfoldizmWhen trying to copy OF.mi4 to mnt/system/ it says that there is no such file or directory
04:07:01aliaskDoes OF.mi4 exist, or is it complaining that /mnt/system doesn't exist?
04:07:23sevenfoldizmIt is complaining about /mnt/system
04:07:49sevenfoldizmit says target is not a directory
04:07:54aliaskWell, for starters, that doesn't look like a valid path - type "mount" at the command line
04:08:05aliaskAnd look for the one which is your sansa
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04:08:25aliaskIt will be something like /media/_____
04:09:08sevenfoldizmok I see it. What now?
04:09:22aliaskReplace /mnt/system with /media/____/system
04:10:46aliaskSo you should end up with something like "cp OF.mi4 /media/e200r/system"
04:11:22sevenfoldizmwell it is called /media/Sansa e200r and when I try to do it it says "e200r is not a directory" is the space conflicting?
04:11:39aliaskYes, you need to escape the space with a \
04:11:52aliask /media/Sansa\ e200r/system
04:13:51sevenfoldizmit says cannot create regular file and claims there is not such directory
04:13:57sevenfoldizmno such*
04:14:25aliaskIs there a folder called "system" in your sansa? I'm not too familiar with the install instructions...
04:15:16advcomp2019you can even drag and drop those files like in the windows steps but make sure you name them right
04:15:43sevenfoldizmok so I can drag and drop the file into system?
04:15:49aliaskYeah, that'd be fine
04:15:55sevenfoldizmalright I'll try that
04:15:57*aliask loves console though :P
04:17:13advcomp2019yea but i thought since he was having issues he could try different way
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04:19:43sevenfoldizmOk, that worked. Thanks! Next problem though, haha
04:19:45advcomp2019but still unmount like in the linux steps in the console
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04:20:03sevenfoldizmwhen I download the newest build of rockbox and unzip it the folder is empty
04:23:45sevenfoldizmshit... nevermind
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04:28:04Lloreal?Will the Sansa Video Converter make rockbox compatable mpeg videos
04:28:19sevenfoldizmFor some reason I can' find anything that's been unzipped.
04:28:59sevenfoldizmI wouldn't think so
04:29:09chrisjs169Lloreal, no, but most other programs can
04:29:20sevenfoldizmThe converter is only supposed to convert to that shitty uncompressed mpg format.
04:29:52LlorealSo theyre bigger than they need to be? And bad quality, I noticed.
04:30:56chrisjs169Rockbox plays MPEG2, while the OF plays MJPEG
04:31:06sevenfoldizmCould someone tell me why I can't find or do anything with anything I unzip in Ubuntu live CD?
04:31:19LlorealBoot your CD, silly.
04:31:52sevenfoldizm? I'm on Ubuntu right now
04:31:59LlorealInstall ubuntu, you'll have better luck, instead of using your virtual drive.
04:32:13sevenfoldizmBut I'm on the last step!
04:32:24maxkelleyLloreal == Llorean?
04:32:36LlorealThe shampoo company
04:32:40advcomp2019david, do not give advise
04:32:42maxkelleyhehe, ok :P
04:32:46chrisjs169maxkelley, Llorean wouldn't use the web client
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04:33:03maxkelleychrisjs169: I figured if he was away from home or something.
04:33:24chrisjs169even so, he'd still have the cloak ;)
04:34:35advcomp2019sevenfoldizm, did you unzip the for the e200
04:34:39sevenfoldizmI think my extraction tool is evil.
04:35:21sevenfoldizmyes, I did that in the command prompt, it says it does it, but I can't seem to put anything on the player with the command prompt and I can't find the unzipped files
04:37:46chrisjs169anyone know how the m200 port's coming?
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04:41:57advcomp2019sevenfoldizm, did it unzip right with a .rockbox folder
04:42:21sevenfoldizmok, i think i found the problem
04:42:31advcomp2019o ok
04:42:41sevenfoldizmi think the "." in ".rockbox" makes the folder invisible
04:42:50sevenfoldizmbecause it says its there i just cant see it
04:43:17sevenfoldizmok well i did it then!
04:43:28Soap"hidden" being the term, if we are pedantic, not invisible.
04:44:30sevenfoldizmhaha ok
04:44:43sevenfoldizmJust watching the player hoping to god it works
04:45:25sevenfoldizmThank you all for your help!!!!
04:45:30sevenfoldizmI have rockbox working!!!
04:45:47advcomp2019sevenfoldizm, check the OF
04:46:17sevenfoldizmok, how do youu boot into it??
04:46:22maxkelleyis there progress on the Zune port? (curious)
04:46:30maxkelleychrisjs169: about the m200, it's barely coming.
04:46:45maxkelleylike, we know the hardware in it, but nothing's been done.
04:47:31sevenfoldizmwhat button do you hold to boot into the OF
04:47:41advcomp2019sevenfoldizm, you use the left button like it says in manual
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04:47:53sevenfoldizmok, I didn't check, sorry.
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04:48:43sevenfoldizmLooks like I have the white screen fading problem.
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04:48:58sevenfoldizmTime to fix that
04:49:50advcomp2019it will fade but then go into the OF
04:50:10sevenfoldizmHow long will it fade?
04:50:34advcomp2019around a sec or less
04:50:53sevenfoldizmNope, it fades until I have to shut it down manually.
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04:51:58advcomp2019ok so you did not do something right sevenfoldizm then
04:52:17sevenfoldizmHmm, well it seems to be a common problem
04:52:33sevenfoldizmAt least in the thread about dual booting in the forum
04:53:12juanfgshello, I just wanted to ask if it's there any free firmware for SigmaTel MSCN (I know rockbox doesn't work on these)
04:53:14advcomp2019well i got it to work on my e280r
04:53:33juanfgs(free as in speech of course)
04:54:33sevenfoldizmIt seems to work for some people and not others.
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04:56:49advcomp2019chrisjs169, scorche, and i got it to work right
04:57:32advcomp2019i do not know if there is others
04:58:09sevenfoldizmWhat kind of scroll-wheel is on yours? Is it the plasticky or rubbery one?
05:00:07advcomp2019that is off the topic
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05:01:21sevenfoldizmnot quite. There are two different e200rs, its doubtful but maybe that could be the difference?
05:03:43advcomp2019mine has the smooth wheel without the three notches ever so often
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05:05:10sevenfoldizmMine is the loose plasticky one. Hmmm. While we would have to check with everyone who didn't get it to work and did to see if it holds true this could be the problem. Although its only a slim chance that it is.
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05:06:08advcomp2019i think that does not make any differance tho
05:06:32sevenfoldizmTrue, its just a shot in the dark.
05:07:04sevenfoldizmI might retry it to see if I can get it to work, I'll probably just load the e200 firmware on first though.
05:09:21advcomp2019try it again but still with the e200r
05:12:01sevenfoldizmok I'll do the e200r steps again.
05:12:12sevenfoldizmIf it works that's proof everyone's doing something wrong.
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05:12:37advcomp2019plus sevenfoldizm are you sure you had an e200r
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05:16:32sevenfoldizmYes, I am sure. It has the Rhapsody logo on back, I bought it from Best Buy, and it has Rhapsody Channels.
05:17:20advcomp2019ok then most likely it is one then
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05:21:35webguest28i'm trying to install rockbox on my ipod video, but the folder didn't show up when i extracted the files. what do i do?
05:23:00advcomp2019webguest28, what os are you using
05:23:28webguest28fedora core 7
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05:25:38advcomp2019what installer are you using
05:27:29advcomp2019ipodpatcher or rockbox utility qt
05:28:18advcomp2019could you try rockbox utility qt
05:28:55sevenfoldizmhey advcomp, could you tell me how I'm supposed to install rockbox when it doesn't have usb support?
05:29:17advcomp2019here is the page if you need it webguest28 −−>
05:30:50advcomp2019you can reinstall the e200r firmware by recovery mode sevenfoldizm
05:32:36sevenfoldizmI've done the first part, I can't do the second part because it won't boot up.
05:33:02sevenfoldizmIt's getting late, I'm just gonna go with the e200 firmware and go to bed, and try the r firmware 2mro
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05:38:59webguest28after i download the file, do i extract it to the ipod like i would with ipodpatcher?
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05:39:28advcomp2019i am not sure since i do not have an ipod
05:39:54kittymanThere is a program I am questioning for mpeg conversion, since the others wont work from the wiki.
05:40:32kittymanWho am I?
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05:40:58advcomp2019kittyman, david, you can use google to find that can work
05:42:39advcomp2019find one*
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05:48:54stuporglueCan anyone recommend a Linux music player that can manage songs on Rockbox as a USB Mass Storage device?
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06:03:15qwmthe sun is rising!
06:03:24qwmi bet it has missed me.
06:07:32advcomp2019stuporglue, what rockbox player do you have
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06:09:12ddaltonanyone here know vb script
06:09:15ddaltonhow it works?
06:09:21ddaltonand maybe hta
06:10:31aeroevanis ogg/vorbis support currently broken?
06:13:30aeroevanor is -q5 vbr too high?
06:25:37aeroevanData abort at 01F000E8 :(
06:29:59stuporglueadvcomp2019: I have the current build −− r14691. I got it to work as a USB Mass Storage device with Banshee. I had to delete the Banshee iPod plugins though for it to not treat it as an iPod.
06:32:39aeroevanstuporglue: do you transcode to mp3?
06:33:26stuporglueaeroevan, no I don't, most of my library is mp3 but all the new stuff is ogg.
06:34:37aeroevanjust installed rockbox on my old nano hoping to get ogg support
06:34:57stuporglueIf anyone else wants to get Banshee to treat their rockbox iPod as a UMS device, see the 'Other Information' section of this Banshee bug :
06:38:09stuporglueI just threw some ogg files I downloaded from on there, and they're working. I'm assuming it'll work on your nano too
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06:40:05aeroevani'm getting some strange results, like playing in fastforward or just not playing at all
06:40:53aeroevani'll look into it more later
06:41:07aeroevangotta go move my car for a football game
06:41:10stuporglueWeird. This is the first time I've looked at Rockbox since the iPod version was I don't know what to say. My battery died soon after the announcement, and I only replaced it this week.
06:41:18stuporglueHave a good night
06:41:43stuporglueA big thanks to any devs that might be in here. I appreciate your work. Good night.
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07:07:36SoulPropagationApparently, we can't do anti-aliased fonts. Why not?
07:08:26mwcSo I tried installing RB (current SVN build) from I followed the instructions exactly, and I have an actual .rockbox directory at the root level of the ipod
07:08:33mwcI booted it up the first time, it worked
07:08:42mwcit froze during DB init
07:08:51mwcso I rebooted it again, and am told the rockbox dir isn't there
07:08:57SoulPropagationrestore and try again
07:08:58mwcand that the installation is incomplete
07:09:09mwcSoulPropagation, I've done it three times
07:09:16mwcsame symptoms, every time
07:09:22SoulPropagationmwc: is the fonts dir there?
07:10:22mwcno, isn't there
07:10:40SoulPropagationmwc: you gotta put it there
07:11:13mwcdidn't see that in the installation guide
07:11:19mwcjust mkdir, or do I need to put something in there
07:11:29SoulPropagationread the guide again
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07:13:52mwcdone, same error
07:14:16SoulPropagationdid you restore first?
07:14:31mwclike, from itunes?
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07:18:56aliaskWhat are people's thoughts on FS #7764?
07:19:34mwcright, so I dd'd 100 MB of /dev/zero onto the ipod, copied the MBR over again, mkfs.dos -F32 -n IPOD the data partition
07:19:43mwcreinstalled and
07:19:52mwcand rebooted it, it seems to have worked the first time
07:21:03mwcnice, seems to have worked. Thanks SoulPropagation
07:21:11SoulPropagationmwc: no prob :D
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07:38:50SoulPropagationHow do I do rapid scrolling on an iPod?
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07:50:41^JimmyRidge^speed up scroll speed ins ettings would do it, i think
07:54:10SoulPropagationNo... like, I want to have a rapid scroll and then a precision scroll too
08:04:46aeroevanwhat does the List Acceleration Speed change?
08:04:57aeroevancould that be what you are looking for?
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08:06:34aeroevanapparently -q5 is too much for my nano to handle
08:07:01aeroevandoes anyone have a good encoding setting for ogg/vorbis?
08:07:11aeroevandoes q4 work?
08:08:27^JimmyRidge^i traded an ipod for a smaller HD space ip just because it runs rockbox
08:08:46^JimmyRidge^and they think they got the better deal lol
08:09:10^JimmyRidge^i guess every1's happy so its all gravy
08:10:05*aeroevan guesses he will be reencoding his music
08:10:15SoulPropagationaeroevan: maybe, but I'm back to disassembling the ipod so I can get a better screen for it, long story
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08:16:40serenecloudcan I please ask if anyone knows if/when there will be a rockbox version for 2nf Gen nanos?
08:17:01SoulPropagationserenecloud: quite possibly never, since the firmware is encrypted
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08:17:51serenecloudSoulPropagation: :(
08:18:14SoulPropagationserenecloud: :(
08:18:41serenecloudit's a pity, it's such a nice peice of hardware too
08:18:49^JimmyRidge^can it realy be that hard to decrypt?
08:19:15^JimmyRidge^so what do we kno besides its encryption?
08:19:41SoulPropagationDon't ask me.
08:19:43^JimmyRidge^thought i read somewhere it also doesnt use a portalplayer chip
08:19:46*SoulPropagation goes all shifty-eyed
08:20:21serenecloudI know that the hardware is different, I wasn't aware of the encryption
08:20:41serenecloudi had assumed if I wait then a version would appear, but it didn't :(
08:23:13SoulPropagationserenecloud: I wouldn't be surprised if they figured something out... or if they didn't though. In the mean time... best of luck.
08:23:52serenecloudSoulPropagation: thanks, I guess I stick with their firmware and WinAmp
08:24:01*SoulPropagation node
08:24:05*SoulPropagation nods, I mea
08:24:08*SoulPropagation MEAN!
08:24:14*SoulPropagation can't type well at 1:24 am
08:24:36SoulPropagationYou can always customize the OF
08:25:11SoulPropagationOriginal firmware
08:25:14SoulPropagationaka iPod OS
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08:27:48SoulPropagationserenecloud: don't ask me, I don't like ipods. I just fix the buggers for cash
08:28:17serenecloudawww, but it's nice and comfy here on the iPod bandwagon
08:28:39serenecloudactually I tried every damned MP3 player in the area before getting the nano, none were as good
08:28:51DavidGWRawsonI think that 'Any Video Converter', the program, might work for the mpeg player on rockbox.
08:29:38DavidGWRawsonIt has an mpeg-I and mpeg-II setting. Which would work best for rockbox.
08:30:05DavidGWRawson*Which would work best for rockbox?
08:30:28^JimmyRidge^what speed CPU does the nano have
08:30:44DavidGWRawsonI don't know.
08:30:57^JimmyRidge^cause dang i just started playing with rockbox on the nano... it totally rox compared to my old greyscale ipod
08:31:14^JimmyRidge^run doom practicly flawlessly
08:31:26DavidGWRawsonBad grammar.
08:31:45DavidGWRawson*Practicly flawless.
08:32:01SoulPropagationserenecloud: for the size and price at the time the nano came out the only thing that would stack up would be the zen v and sansa e200 series. The new "ZEN" is a good competitor to the 3g nano though
08:32:15Llorean^JimmyRidge^: Except for the iPod 1st, 2nd, and 3rd generation, all the iPods have basically the same speed CPU.
08:32:16SoulPropagationDavidGWRawson: *Practically I mispelld.
08:32:38^JimmyRidge^i dont see any problems cept for that i forgot the s after run
08:32:49LloreanDavidGWRawson: MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 are both valid for Rockbox, take your pick, but we do suggest several known good methods in the wiki
08:32:55SoulPropagationActually, it is "practically flawless".
08:33:02serenecloud...I feel ripped off
08:33:10serenecloudi just downloaded the bible for iPod
08:33:18serenecloudand half of it is "buy the full version"
08:33:32SoulPropagationDavidGWRawson: If you're going to insist on being a grammar nazi the least you can do is get it right.
08:33:41^JimmyRidge^download phrack issues instead
08:33:50LloreanGuys, this is an on-topic channel
08:33:54LloreanPlease keep it that way.
08:34:08DavidGWRawsonI tried all methods on the wiki, but all the converters didn't work, either because they didn't read the custom preset, or it was because it wouldn't work right.
08:34:32LloreanDavidGWRawson: I assure you, all the methods in the wiki are capable of working if you do them right.
08:34:38DavidGWRawsonI'm trying the MPEG-2 Setting right now.
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08:36:43DavidGWRawsonCool! All I need to do is set the resolution, it's zoomed in, and it's god bad framerate. It syncs and unsyncs.
08:37:31DavidGWRawsongetting around 16 fps
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08:40:08DavidGWRawsonIt seems that wmv videos have support, but only for audio.
08:41:18scorchethat is because rockbox supports wma...
08:41:48DavidGWRawsonI meant wmv....
08:42:07scorchewhich contains wma audio which is why rockbox plays it
08:42:21LloreanYes, Rockbox plays "wmv" files as "wma" files, ignoring the V part.
08:43:03DavidGWRawsonWhat is the potential of rockbox usb support? Maybe a USB mic setting?
08:43:55LloreanThe USB stack needs to be finished, once that's done on targets that can host the limits are pretty much up to what people who want features code.
08:44:05LloreanAgain, if you want something, the best way to get it is to code it.
08:44:41DavidGWRawsonWell, I know how to modify the source code and compile it, so I might look forward to that.
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08:46:27DavidGWRawsonHmmmm. MPEG-I works better than MPEG-2, and I set the correct resolution. Works pretty good.
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08:50:04DavidGWRawsonWhen my screen 'fades' and then goes to OF, does that damage my screen?
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08:54:23in-janeupdate to my problem with database:
08:54:25DavidGWRawsonWhy does it fade like that? Does it turn off the power to the LSD and it slowly fades?
08:56:09DavidGWRawsonPERFECT VIDEO PLAYBACK. Turned down the video bitrate and works perfect. No sync or choppy video.
08:56:26DavidGWRawsonsync problems*
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08:57:08midkayDavidGWRawson: you can configure the fading (the length of the fades or just disable it) in the display menu.. it's coded that way. it's just for nice appearance.
08:58:24in-janelet's say that i add album "X" to my e260. i can't find it from database even if i update it. but if i add album "Y" after that, i can see the album X on the database but now i can't find the album Y unless i add album "Z" :D. and so on...
08:58:24DavidGWRawsonDuring the OF boot?
08:58:35in-janeany ideas what i'm doing wrong?
08:59:20in-janeif i try to initialize the database, it shows _only_ the last album that i have added. unles i initialize it again, then i see all albums except the last one
09:00:34Lloreanmidkay: He's talking about something else, a color change fade.
09:00:40LloreanDavidGWRawson: He's thinking of the backlight fade.
09:00:56midkayi suspected it might not be that simple, sorry :)
09:00:58LloreanThis fade is just an artifact on the e200, that may get fixed with time, but is pretty much irrelevant.
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09:01:12DavidGWRawsonNo, the lcd fade. Where it slowly fades white.
09:01:26Lloreanin-jane: Try simply removing the database files and starting from scratch
09:01:32DavidGWRawsonSay, it slowly fades white from the outside in.
09:02:46midkayhaha. scorche!
09:05:35in-janeLlorean: ok i'll try that, thanks :)
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09:13:39DavidGWRawson[quote] hello [/quote]
09:16:19markunDavidGWRawson: I sometimes got such a fade during a hard crash
09:16:38markunit's just becuase the CPU isn't refreshing the TFT anymore
09:18:57amiconnThis fading *might* be bad for the lcd panel, depending on how the panel is driven
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09:21:57DavidGWRawsonWhen it tried booting the OF the unsuccessful way, it started to make the screen blotchy.
09:22:19DavidGWRawsonThere were discolored patches, like stains.
09:23:15homieloweI follow crosscompiler tutorial, under the step to build binutils I get "configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C compiler cannot create executables."(macosx)
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09:33:25DavidGWRawsonWould flash based games for rockbox be cool. They would be very easy to develop in flash. Making it compatable would be tough though.
09:34:19markunDavidGWRawson: first port a flash player to rockbox
09:35:33DavidGWRawsonThat would be hard, but somewhat easy, in a way. It needs to be able to handle actionscript and needs to draw vector images.
09:35:53DavidGWRawsonNot to mention setting up the buttons
09:36:00LloreanDavidGWRawson: Rather than talking about what it would need to do, why not work on it?
09:36:12homieloweYour dreaming in fantasy land, maybe head to #rockbox-community and discuss
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09:43:01ddaltonwho is Brian Wolven?
09:43:35DavidGWRawsonWho is Linus?
09:44:00ddaltonyou asking me?
09:45:07ddaltonmarkun: do you know who Brian Wolven is or do you have his contact details?
09:45:12ddaltonemail address
09:45:22markunddalton: no, never heard of him
09:45:32ddaltonhas anyone?
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09:46:09markunddalton: there is an email address here:
09:47:18markunamiconn: why didn't I think of that ;)
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10:12:15ddaltonit says should it be
10:12:55n1sddalton: yep, also this channel is logged so please try not to type unobfuscated addresses here :-)
10:13:27ddaltonok sorry. But it is all over the website isn't it?
10:13:58Bagderthe mails are mostly obfuscated there too
10:14:05Bagdermail addresses I mean
10:14:19ddaltonok so what should I do? :-(
10:14:44Bagderdo about what?
10:14:59ddalton what we're talking about!
10:15:21BagderI don't know what we're talking about
10:15:29pixelmause the email address without the NO.SPAM as you found out but don't mention it here...
10:16:02ddaltoncan't you read the messages? :-)
10:16:51Bagderddalton: apparently not
10:17:18ddaltonwell you usually scrol up in your history box. That's how I do it!
10:17:32ddaltonanyway we were talking about the email address thing.
10:17:34markunBagder: what do you think about editing this log to remove the email address?
10:17:49Lloreanddalton: Alright, here's what they're trying to say: Do not type full email addresses in this channel
10:18:03LloreanBecause it is logged, email addresses written in this channel may get spam.
10:18:08ddaltonmy email is in there as well so you can remove that if you want but I don't know. I haven't got any spam
10:18:12LloreanThe NO.SPAM that is added to them is to keep them from getting spam.
10:18:29LloreanWhen you use the email address, just remove the NO.SPAM before using it, but don't write it in here with that.
10:19:04ddaltonso what are you guys going to do about me typing his address here. I didn't realise that I shouldn't have done this. Sorry...
10:19:10Lloreanwith that (NO.SPAM) removed, rather.
10:19:18LloreanWe can't do anything about it now, but try to avoid it in the future.
10:19:26ddaltonok fine
10:19:35pixelmathe NO.SPAM is there so that bots that search websites don't find it
10:19:48DavidGWRawsonWhat about YES.SPAM?
10:19:52ddaltoncouldn't they write a script to remove that?
10:20:08Bagdersure they can
10:20:11ddaltonif they were sirious about spamming?
10:20:20ddaltonso what is the point of this method then?
10:20:32Lloreanddalton: anything a human can read, a script can be made to read.
10:20:34Bagderthe email harvesters however will hunt around the entire internet, sucking down everything that looks like emails
10:20:41Bagderand then send mails to them
10:20:56Bagderthey'll find enough real mails to not have to bother about the bad ones
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10:21:32DavidGWRawsonIsn't this way way way off topic?
10:22:00Bagdernot really, it describes why we do the way we do on the rockbox site and elsewhere
10:22:43DavidGWRawsonwill I get spammed now?
10:22:48amiconnLlorean: I don't think that harvesting scripts would find email addresses obfuscated by really segemnting them, e.g. somebody at rockbox dot org
10:22:52markunBagder: most of my spam at gmail is sent to marco.en so I guess they just try some words until they are lucky (as I never used that way of writing my address)
10:23:00BagderDavidGWRawson: I'll assume you will
10:23:16Bagdermany spammers just try out combinations
10:23:41Lloreanamiconn: Yeah, writing it as only words would make it a lot harder. My point was merely that a script *can* still be made to harvest it. Schemes just make it less likely it will be harvested, but can't *gaurantee* it won't.
10:23:59in-janeluckily gmail has a very very good spam filter.
10:24:11LloreanMy yahoo address gets spammed all the time with a CC to addresses that are one letter different.
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10:24:42BagderI don't like gmail's spam filter since it makes a little too many decisions on its own
10:24:51markunat least half of my spam is chinese :)
10:24:59*amiconn knows that spammers often just try out combinations @ known domains
10:25:03stuporglueI just registered for the Wiki. My name is Michael Moore, and I'm a new iPod G3 user.
10:25:07*amiconn is postmaster at work
10:25:15stuporglueCould I get write permissions/
10:26:25Bagderstuporglue: did you really create a twiki user account with that name?
10:26:25markunstuporglue: can't find you in the wiki..
10:26:29bluebrotherstuporglue: what is your wiki name? I can't find a MichaelMoore page
10:26:34Bagderah now I see it coming
10:26:46Bagderjust a slight delay
10:27:00bluebrotherah :)
10:27:32stuporglueIs the page loading? I just clicked the email confirmation link
10:28:00LloreanBagder: Maybe we should sent out a mail asking if any contributors specifically intended for their code to be GPLv2 only?
10:28:51bluebrotherstuporglue: done. Seems I was the fastest
10:28:58ddaltonwhat about the email addresses in the tracker?
10:29:09BagderLlorean: yes, I just want to see where the thread/discussion goes before jumping into that
10:29:35Bagderddalton: they're not shown to visitors only, iirc
10:29:46LloreanBagder: As it is, we're in the "right on a technicality" category for those people who don't respond, or don't get the email, and we can make a policy of a willingness to try to replace code for anyone confused by our mistake.
10:30:20Bagderyes, I agree to that
10:30:48markunso could we just make the code GPLv2 or higher in that case?
10:31:10markunor do we want to have the same discussion at GPLv4?
10:31:13LloreanThat's my suggestion. Clarify the license to GPLv2 or Higher, apologize for the previous state, ask anyone if they'd like us to help in fixing any harm it may have caused.
10:31:16Bagderthe clarification would probably mean to include that text in the boiler plate
10:31:54Bagder_then_ we can start throwing pies about actually switching to v3 ;-)
10:32:24LloreanOh, we could do it by actually throwing pies.
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10:32:29Bagderbtw, I found that the lkml people actually discussed rockbox in their v3 argument the other week
10:32:35LloreanSend a Pro-v2 a Pro-v3 and an arbitrator who doesn't care to the google conference.
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10:32:42LloreanThen let them throw pies, and have the arbitrator decide.
10:32:56LloreanBagder: lkml?
10:33:06Bagderlinux kernel mailing list
10:33:06bluebrotherlinux kernel mailing list
10:33:14LloreanI'm bad with abbreviations.
10:34:00Bagder"the other week" being in June ;-)
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10:45:06Bagderifixit posted ipod touch pics
10:52:49amiconnWhoa, heavy beast...
10:54:06Bagderfor a flash player indeed
10:54:34ddaltonI am running voicebox silently how can I tell when it is done?
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11:13:01linuxstb_JdGordon: Good evening.
11:13:29linuxstb_Have you seen the e200r windows thread in the forum?
11:13:49JdGordonnot yet
11:17:35JdGordonbah, slow forums :(
11:19:09linuxstb_They're working fine for me...
11:20:00*JdGordon is impatient :p
11:20:09JdGordonthat thread doesnt sound too promising
11:21:24linuxstb_I see it as progress though.
11:22:10markunlinuxstb_: do we have replaygain support for asf tags?
11:22:23*markun is actually using wma files :)
11:22:24linuxstb_I don't think so.
11:22:34linuxstb_Can any application create them?
11:22:44markunlinuxstb_: I'll try foobar2000
11:23:17markun"Could not write info (WMA tag editing not supported)"
11:24:10JdGordonlinuxstb_: not much progress.... does libusb work under vmware?
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11:32:37linuxstb_markun: It seems winamp supports it - the changelog for v5.3 states "* New: Replaygain support for MP3, AAC, Vorbis, M4A and WMA"
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11:33:48linuxstb_markun: And from the foobar v0.9.4 changelog - " Added WMA tag editing support"
11:36:30markunlinuxstb_: ah, need to update then :)
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11:37:16JdGordonflyspray down?
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11:38:09linuxstb_Works for me.
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11:38:19JdGordonmy net is stuffed then!
11:38:35maxkelleyI just had a freaky experience.
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11:39:36maxkelleyI was listening to SW radio, and found a religious station, preaching about who knows what, and in the background from a neighboring station was this chanting, sounding like they were mindless humans.. very weird.
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11:52:37jeegerHey, quick question: Does Rockbox read the id3v2 or the id3v1 tags? I guess it prefers id3v2, but I'm not sure. Any tips?
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11:53:30pixelmait reads both, you can set the preference (still). That is also somewhere in the manual...
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11:53:53jeegerI'll look in the menu
11:54:19pixelmadefault is v2 first
11:54:35jeegeryep found it
11:56:17jeegerHowever, Rockbox still displays my tags in latin1 instead of in unicode.
11:56:42n1sjeeger: you have to select unicode as your codepage then
11:59:05jeegerAh the playback screen now displays it correctly, but the database is still latin1.
11:59:10jeegerDo I need to update it?
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12:20:38*ddalton Thinks that espeak isn't that bad! It is better than the ms voices
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12:26:39markunddalton: did you hear espeak with mbrola?
12:26:58SofRaZorbacKit's even better with mbora
12:27:13SofRaZorbacKhello ddalton and all
12:27:23ddaltonSofRaZorbacK: hi
12:27:57SofRaZorbacKddalton: it's relly better with this irc client
12:27:59ddaltonSofRaZorbacK: Do you want help with that translation. I got your last email
12:28:43SofRaZorbacKddalton: gonna have a look at it now and try to apply it after having applied your patch
12:28:45ddaltoncan you read the history better?
12:29:02SofRaZorbacKyes the history window is awesome!
12:29:12markunSofRaZorbacK: blind as well?
12:29:30SofRaZorbacKmarkun: yes
12:29:31ddaltonyou don't apply anything. You apply my patch and then make changes manually.
12:29:39ddaltonactually do apply one thing the patch
12:29:39LloreanJust as a reminder, this isn't a general purpose blind channel, it's for Rockbox.
12:29:53SofRaZorbacKin the lang file?
12:30:15SofRaZorbacKi thought i have to modified the .patch file first....
12:30:39ddaltonSofRaZorbacK: no don't do that at all! it won't work!
12:31:07ddaltonFirst apply the patch. Then you go in to your languages lang file and make the changes there. Tell me when you have done that
12:31:13SofRaZorbacKllorean: sory for the off topic
12:31:27ddaltonTell me when you are in your lang file and I will help you with the changes.
12:31:30LloreanSofRaZorbacK: Also, could you put the "ddalton:" on the same line as the message to him, rather than on the preceding one?
12:31:55SofRaZorbacKllorean: i'mm doing my best
12:32:12SofRaZorbacKbut don't have auto completion apparently
12:32:21LloreanJust making sure you're aware of the channel guidelines.
12:32:23SofRaZorbacKddalton: ok
12:32:36ddaltonSofRaZorbacK: hey I could maybe do it for you. I could just copy the vishual entries to the voice and get you to test it. Or do you want to try yourself?
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12:33:26SofRaZorbacKddalton: non, gonna try myself and i'll ask you
12:33:45ddaltonremember the patch file can be edited by hand but it is automatically generated.
12:33:49SofRaZorbacKwhoops: ddalton:
12:34:02ddaltonAnd I have never been able to edit one successfully.
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12:34:16SofRaZorbacKwhere do i put those trings in the lang file exactly? is there a right place
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12:34:40ddaltonyes deffinetly. What revision are you working on?
12:35:14SofRaZorbacKaccording to the svn, it's 14598
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12:36:02ddaltonwow that's really old try svn revert -R . and then svn up You will lose all changes but then you can apply the patch.
12:36:41SofRaZorbacKddalton: have you a way to check the revision number ?
12:36:50SofRaZorbacKjust for the sake of clarity
12:37:06n1s'svn info'
12:37:10ddaltonNo but I always run svn up before I submit a patch.
12:37:24bluebrotheror svnversion
12:37:27ddaltonanyway we can just work on that don't worry about it
12:38:09bluebrothergrrr. Why can't use gravatar?
12:38:35ddaltono there you go svn info and it tells me nls made the last change
12:38:50ddaltonSofRaZorbacK ok so you have applied the patch?
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12:40:05ddaltonSofRaZorbacK: Are you still there?
12:40:13SofRaZorbacKnot sure. svn revert -r semms not to work
12:40:43SofRaZorbacKmissing argument:
12:40:47ddaltonyou typed it wrong "svn revert -R ."
12:40:51ddaltonwith out the quotes
12:41:25ddaltoncapital R or uppercase R and a . at the end
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12:41:35SofRaZorbacKyes it's ok
12:41:42SofRaZorbacKit's working
12:41:49ddaltontry reading by character with your screenreader.
12:41:53ddaltonIs that off topic?
12:42:08SofRaZorbacKok for your patch
12:42:13ddaltonnow type svn up
12:42:25ddaltondid you do svn up?
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12:42:46SofRaZorbacKfrom the root ?
12:43:11ddaltonyeah you should be in ~/rockbox or what ever you checked out.
12:43:19rixxonany recommendations to someone wanting to buy a rockboxable device?
12:43:23ddaltonso what ever the check out dir's name is
12:43:25SofRaZorbacKok for the svn up
12:43:56ddaltonI might have a look at that.
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12:44:17SofRaZorbacKddalton: do you need a file or something ?
12:44:25SofRaZorbacKsory... many stupid questions lol
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12:44:36ddaltonfile? What for?
12:44:49SofRaZorbacKyou wanted to have a lool a it
12:45:25SofRaZorbacKddalton: gotta go to lunch. I left the source untouched
12:45:31SofRaZorbacKi live
12:45:34ddaltonit is just a wiki thing bluebrother was talking about.
12:45:43SofRaZorbacKso wie will continue later
12:45:47ddaltonok then
12:46:16SofRaZorbacKddalton: thank you
12:46:20SofRaZorbacKbye all
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12:46:35SofRaZorbacKand sory for the off topics i'm new on irc (embarrased )
12:47:10LloreanRules and customs vary by channel, but this one is logged, and we like to keep the logs useful, readable, and searchable which is why many guidelines are in place.
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12:50:59ddaltonis this true? $100 for a 2 gb e200 and $160 for 6 more gb (8 gb flash)
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13:15:07ddaltonwhat players have LCD_BITMAP?
13:16:00Domonokyevery player, except the archos player. it has LCD_Charcell
13:17:39ddaltonok thanks
13:18:10delYsidhi ddalton, what hardware do you have for rockbox?
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13:19:34ddaltonwhat would the line prn(buf,1); do?
13:19:59ddaltonHi delYsid why?
13:21:04Domonokyddalton: calling the function prn with buf and 1 as parameter, but i dont know what this function does.. :-)
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13:23:58ddaltondelYsid : what do you mean?
13:24:03ddaltondelYsid : around?
13:26:04delYsidddalton: yeah, just wanted to know what type of hardware you are using rockbox with.
13:26:29ddaltonso what player?
13:26:34ddaltonis that what your asking?
13:27:07ddaltonI am using a h300 mostly with speakers but sometimes ear phones.
13:27:11ddaltonwhy do you ask?
13:27:43delYsidjust trying to get an overview what people are using...
13:28:03delYsidhere in .at the blind people I know that do use rockbox all use sansa e200
13:28:05ddaltonwhat do you use?
13:28:59ddaltondid you see my last comment on your patch? (FS #7779)
13:29:57*Domonoky notes blined users, and requests again that some blind users try rbutil and tell us about the usability of rbutil for the blind... :-)
13:30:27ddaltonwhy don't you developers try it with a demo of a screenreader?:-)
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13:31:01delYsidDomonoky: I would do that, but I am not on Windows, and on Linux rbutil doesnt work for us...
13:31:04Domonokywe already tryed it with a screenreader, and that works.. but its differen if you cant see anything i think...
13:31:27ddaltonok your right. Maybe later.
13:31:43Domonokyits just, that rbutil will get the official install method sometime, and we want it accessible for the blinds..
13:31:49delYsidDomonoky: just turn off your monitor when doing testing, its that simple.
13:32:04ddaltondelYsid: Can you talk to me in a pm about being blind and linux? what screenreader are you using?
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13:33:52LloreandelYsid: It's not quite that simple, since we can't judge usability compared to blind use of a computer in general. We're used to seeing things, so *any* blind application use will feel awkward.
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13:35:22delYsidLlorean: Granted, its a new way of doing things, but turning off the monitor and relying on keybindings and speech feedback only can give you a very nice view of whats achievable and whats not.
13:35:59bluebrotherdelYsid: I disagree that "just turning off the monitor" is a good solution. Blind people are used to different ways of using, and f.e. I find screen readers hard to understand.
13:36:02ddaltonif you can understand the speech then what's wrong with it. Slow it down if you need to :)
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13:36:24ddaltondo you? What synth?
13:36:30delYsidsome programs have features that are mouse only for instance which the programmer would have never thought of as a problem, until they have to invoke it themselves without a mouse :-)
13:36:56senabregarding the usb stack in svn, what functionaltiy does it provide at the moment?
13:37:29Lloreansenab: It shouldn't provide any actual functionality, I believe.
13:37:49delYsidOne blind friend of mine is a big rockbox fan and windows screen reading expert (he works in that field). I'll ask him to give rbutil a shot on windows and report back to you guys.
13:38:28DomonokydelYsid: that nice.. thanxs..
13:38:56delYsidDomonoky: is there a special (static, with accessibility) version he should try out?
13:39:26Domonokythe build on the wiki should be static and build with accessibility..
13:40:11delYsidDomonoky: ok, I'll talk to him, will take a few days since he is pretty swamped with work all the time...
13:40:51Domonokynot problem, we arent in a hurry, as long as someone goes to take a look on it .. :-)
13:42:40SofRaZorbacKddalton r u stille there ?
13:42:57ddaltonso what are you up to?
13:43:00SofRaZorbacKk so let's go on if u have time
13:43:05ddaltonok then
13:43:11ddaltonso what are you up to?
13:43:16ddaltonwith it?
13:43:29SofRaZorbacKddalton: i've done svn up
13:43:55SofRaZorbacKand my bash is waiting for commands
13:44:12ddaltonok now type patch -p0 <filename where filename is the name of my patch.
13:44:33SofRaZorbacKok all hunk succeeeded
13:44:46ddaltongood. Now your up to the translation.
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13:44:56ddaltonopen your lang file. (for your language)
13:44:59SofRaZorbacKso i go in my lang file
13:45:07ddaltonwhat is your language?
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13:45:39ddaltonthat's where the lang files are
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13:45:56SofRaZorbacKfrancais.lang is open
13:46:48ddaltonNow look for the alarm stuff.
13:46:58ddaltonTry a find for "Alarm" and tell us what you get.
13:47:04ddaltonwith out the quotes
13:47:11moosSofRaZorbacK: what is the problem with the francais.lang? Did I miss something?
13:47:39SofRaZorbacKmoos: no
13:47:44ddaltonwe're translating a patch.
13:47:52SofRaZorbacKjust tring to apply a patch
13:48:08moosoh ok sorry, good luck ;)
13:48:11ddaltonok that sound like the entery for the alarm menu under system what is the voice string?
13:48:45SofRaZorbacKréveil in french (means alarm
13:49:15SofRaZorbacKther's *none before that
13:49:16ddaltonok so it just says "Alarm" but in french?
13:49:33SofRaZorbacK alarm: "Réveil"
13:50:06SofRaZorbacKsory there's an accentuated letter
13:50:18ddaltonwhere does it say that between the < voice and </voice lines?
13:50:51ddaltonwow voice file building on cygwin is fast.
13:51:04SofRaZorbacKarrggg : it says: alarm: "Réveil"
13:51:17ddaltonok so that is fine arrow down to you hear id: something.
13:51:23ddaltonit will be in english
13:51:26ddaltonthe id line
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13:52:13ddaltonOk what does it say if you go down to lines?
13:52:19ddaltontwo that should be
13:52:51SofRaZorbacKthere's the source section "alarm wake up scrren
13:53:42SofRaZorbacKsory i's hard to be clear
13:53:56SofRaZorbacKbut all the following section seem to be welle translated
13:54:12ddaltonok arrow down to the next id
13:54:27ddaltonI am just testing my build be back in a minute.
13:54:33SofRaZorbacKid: LANG_ALARM_MOD_TIME
13:54:58ddaltonin the source part what is that in english?
13:55:06SofRaZorbacKthis time, no string in voice noting between quotes
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13:55:45SofRaZorbacKmoos: you are the french translater ?
13:56:21SofRaZorbacKddalton: yes in the source part it'e in english
13:56:23moosSofRaZorbacK: yes I am, can I help?
13:56:46SofRaZorbacKmoos: not for the moment, butr i may be interesting to talk together one day
13:57:08moosno problem, in pm for french ;)
13:57:18ddaltonlet me open it hang on. but that sounds right.
13:57:19SofRaZorbacKmoos: oK
13:57:29ddaltonok its open
13:57:45SofRaZorbacKwhat is opens?
13:58:06SofRaZorbacKho ok
13:58:23ddaltonare you in id: LANG_ALARM_MOD_TIME
13:58:30SofRaZorbacKddalton: yes
13:58:35n1sYay, disabling the asm optimisations in the pcf driver makes rockbox work nicely when built with gcc4.3 :-)
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13:59:20ddaltonok now how would you say "Alarm time"?
13:59:35SofRaZorbacKheure du reveil
14:00:18ddaltonnow where it says alarm: "" type between the quotes what you just said.
14:00:24ddaltonDo this in the voice section.
14:00:50SofRaZorbacKit's ok
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14:01:46ddaltonis that done?
14:02:00SofRaZorbacKit's done
14:02:21SofRaZorbacKi do the same in time to go
14:02:26ddaltonwait I am checking the scores be back in a minute
14:03:50ddaltonok now do the same for all of them.
14:04:28ddaltonso fill in the voice strings between alarm: "" so between the quotes
14:04:54ddaltonI don't think all the strings are used but it doesn't really matter. There might be one that isn't used.
14:05:06ddaltonCan you tell me when you have done all of them?
14:05:08SofRaZorbacKddalton: what do i do with te "%d:%02d"
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14:05:49ddaltonalso when there are strings not related to alarm you are done. So keep arrowing down until you get to something that isn't about an alarm and then you are done. but there is more to do.
14:05:50SofRaZorbacKis the %d:%02d" voiced ?
14:06:18ddaltonI voice a number instead. which is coded in the source so it is already done for you.
14:06:18SofRaZorbacKso i skip that ?
14:06:29SofRaZorbacKor i just put the text without the placeholder ?
14:06:48ddaltonyep what you said last just the text no %d or anything.
14:07:08ddaltonthe text is though so make sure you do that.
14:07:14ddaltonwhat player are you using?
14:07:30SofRaZorbacKi'm using a sansa and an iaudio
14:07:43ddaltondo they have wake up rtcs?
14:08:29SofRaZorbacKrtcs ?
14:08:54jbitreal time clocks
14:10:15SofRaZorbacKit's ok for all the alarms stuff
14:10:33SofRaZorbacKyes for the rtcs then
14:10:42ddaltonok have you done all of that yet?
14:10:53SofRaZorbacKyes it's done ddalton
14:11:10ddaltonsave your lang file and open cygwin.
14:11:15SofRaZorbacKi'm in bookmark so i dont touch taht
14:11:23ddaltonor are you using a text editor in cygwin?
14:11:46ddaltonso have you saved it and closed it?
14:11:50SofRaZorbacKi double check hold on
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14:13:12SofRaZorbacKok cygwin open
14:13:20Prodo i need bmp resize patch in order to make the album art patch work???
14:13:22ddaltoncd to your tree.
14:13:27ddaltonyour source tree
14:13:46SofRaZorbacKhere i am
14:13:49ddaltonnow create a diff
14:14:06SofRaZorbacKremind me the syntax plz ?
14:14:21ddaltonsvn diff >patchfile
14:15:20SofRaZorbacKappraently no error
14:15:40ddaltonnow go into your source and open patchfile with a text editor.
14:16:16SofRaZorbacKwow cool
14:16:20SofRaZorbacKsound corect
14:16:38ddaltonhow many lines is it close to 100 or 1000
14:17:54ddaltonhave you got it open?
14:17:58SofRaZorbacKthink is close to 100
14:18:08ddaltonok can you send it to me?
14:18:19SofRaZorbacKcan we send via irc ?
14:18:25SofRaZorbacK... what a newbie ... lol
14:18:29ddaltonno email
14:20:13SofRaZorbacKu will got it very soon
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14:21:43ddaltonwhat does Le message est prêt à être envoyé avec le fichier suivant ou les liens joints : talking-alarm-fr.diff mean?
14:21:43AceNikguys there seems to be a lot of irregularities that keep on increasing with every build of rockbox on the h10 [20GB], according to me , the h10[20GB] should be removed fromt he builds page till its stable again
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14:22:16AceNikanyone care to know why?, just ask
14:22:25SofRaZorbacKthe message has been sent with the attached links or files
14:22:59web-tazat flyspray, is there something where you can see, which patches are needed, in order to user another patch?
14:23:09ddaltonok then now build rockbox and make your french voice file. Then tell me if it works so test it.
14:23:25SofRaZorbacKok ddalton it will take some time.
14:23:33ddaltonI am just going to strip down the patch and if it works submit it to the tracker and say it was by you is that ok?
14:23:36SofRaZorbacKthx for your time, i comme back
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14:23:52bluebrotherweb-taz: check the "Related tasks" tab.
14:24:14SofRaZorbacKby u and me lol
14:24:34ddaltonits by u I will just say requires p7682
14:25:00web-tazah, and when some tasks are slashed they're in the source code ?
14:25:13AceNikguys anyone there for the h10[20GB]
14:25:24bluebrothernot necessarily. When they are striked through they are closed.
14:25:49bluebrotherand there is no requirement that related list is complete −− someone needs to fill in the tasks, and it's not always used.
14:25:52SofRaZorbacKit's compiling now
14:26:33SofRaZorbacKand is there a way to merge all that stuff in one simple patch ?
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14:28:03ddaltonOk I will upload it and can you test that hang on
14:28:18AceNikidentify /ns tomcat5
14:28:50SofRaZorbacKafter having built the voice file no problem
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14:31:09senabllorean: i've put some new keymapping for the e200. See what you think... FS #7232
14:31:50Lloreansenab: I don't like it. Being left-handed, I don't like "normal" functions to be on the power button.
14:31:59senabi'm left handed too
14:32:08LloreanWell, my thumb doesn't bend the way yours does then
14:32:41JdGordon.. being left handed, do you hold your sansa in your right hand?
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14:33:05senabhmmm, i use both hands to be honest
14:33:07LloreanJdGordon: No, my left, making the power button well below the joint in my thumb.
14:33:27senabthe power button isn't used for anything other then turning the sansa off
14:33:39JdGordonok, wierd... maybe its because im at the computer, but I just picked mine up in my left hand and started playing, not my right
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14:33:46Lloreansenab: But the other goal with that patch was to unify controls a little more. If something does X in the WPS and Y in the menu on player A, the button that does X in the WPS should do Y in the menu on player B unless there's a really good reason contrary to that.
14:34:11Lloreansenab: And stopping playback in the WPS. I treated it as the "Stop/Power" button is on many other players.
14:34:13senaball i've done is moved the menu to the bottom button, and moved the context menu to holding the select
14:34:19LloreanErr, not necessarily *many*, but others.
14:34:38Lloreansenab: I thought your patch left "Menu" on the power button..
14:35:05LloreanWhat's this then: + { ACTION_STD_MENU, BUTTON_POWER|BUTTON_REL, BUTTON_POWER },
14:35:51senabdamn, it's cus i've done a diff the wrong way round
14:36:00senabshould be the opposite way
14:36:20LloreanI was thinking it looked an awful lot like a second patch to undo some of my changes. ;)
14:36:27ddaltonI have to go but try
14:36:40ddaltonI just uploaded the translation stuff.
14:36:50ddaltongot to go
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14:36:53Lloreansenab: But as I said, a decent part of my patch is based on that "other goal" of trying to keep it consistent between targets whenever the physical controls don't make it silly/impractical not to.
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14:40:08AceNikhey the state of the h10[20 GB] has detoriated to a very bad state, there are random hang ups while playing music or even starting up, try opening any .wps with text editor, it hangs
14:40:56LloreanAceNik: Is there any bug report documenting which revision this began with, how to duplicate, etc?
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14:42:07AceNikllorean: no, but i can say a few hang up existed since 145XX, & since then things just keep getting worse
14:42:11senabjust fixed the patch
14:42:26LloreanAceNik: So, why not properly document the bug and file a bug report?
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14:43:26AceNikwell i dont know how to reproduce it , n not sure which svn revision caused it ?
14:43:44LloreanThat's why you *investigate*
14:44:15LloreanFigure out how to force it to happen, the test older revisions until you can't make it happen, then use that revision for a while and see if it happens in other conditions or not, etc.
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14:52:24web-tazlittle question:
14:52:37web-tazi tried applying some patches,
14:52:40web-tazbut with some
14:52:50web-tazhe always asked: File to Patch
14:53:09web-tazbut the path and file showed above seemed to be the right
14:53:54web-tazhow can I fix that, so that i needn't to type the path for every used file
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15:10:48web-tazother question
15:10:59web-tazis there a way to copy and paste into a shell?
15:12:17n1sweb-taz: if you provide the correct -p option so that patch knows how to read the paths you wont have to type in the paths
15:13:00n1sweb-taz: Ctrl+Shift+V works for pasting into the shell for me but this is getting offtopic
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15:16:46theclawhi there
15:17:07theclawwhen it says that the sandisk sansa e200 is supported, it means that all sansa e2XX-models are supported?
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15:18:59JdGordontheclaw: yes
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15:27:30web-tazn1s -> and how can i abort the patching? to choose another -p option?; and strg + v does not fit in the shells of the vmware compiling platform..
15:29:59Domonokyweb-taz: abort with ctrl+c
15:30:32Domonokyand to copy-paste from windows to the vmware, you have to use the vmware-tools somehow..
15:33:56theclawwhat does "usb handling" support mean?
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15:34:15theclawwhen its not supported, i can't access the device using USB?
15:34:20theclaw(with rockbox)
15:34:42JdGordonfor the sansa you hae to boot into the OF to use usb
15:37:29theclawdoes the OF support UMSC or are there some models which only support this (damn) MTP?
15:37:57JdGordonmtp and ums
15:38:12theclawokay, good
15:38:16JdGordonyou need to use ums for rockbox
15:38:51theclawjust curious: when transfering files via MTP to the player with the OF, they don't show up when using rockbox?
15:39:05*JdGordon never done that so wouldnt know
15:39:21JdGordonthey probably are, but youd have to use the database to view them (like itunes and ipod)
15:39:38JdGordonyou cant install rockbox in mtp mode i pretty sure
15:39:41theclawhm okay
15:39:52theclawi'm happy that ums is still supported
15:40:01theclawthere are some players which don't support ums at all :(
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15:48:10theclawJdGordon: as you own one, how is the audio quality using rockbox? as good as using the original firmware?
15:48:49JdGordonmy ears are shot.. so i wouldnt notice the difference
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15:49:01JdGordon... if there is a diffeerence
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16:02:21web-tazwhen I patch, and he does say 1 Hunk of 1 failed (bmpresize.patch) means this the hole patch didnt change anything?
16:03:16bluebrotherdoes anyone know a commandline tool to strip images from id3 tags?
16:08:20n1sweb-taz: yup
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16:14:22web-tazand what could I do in that case?
16:14:33web-tazhas the patch to synced?
16:14:49SofRaZorbacKdoes the sansa player have rtcs? i'm not so sure finally
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16:15:49SofRaZorbacKno idea ?
16:16:29web-taz<−− has none
16:16:53LloreanSofRaZorbacK: What do you mean by "rtcs"? I would guess Real Time Clock, normally, but I don't know what the S is for?
16:18:23web-tazdoesnt make much sense
16:19:01SofRaZorbacKyes i just want to know if there's an alarm on this player. sory for my mistakes in terminology
16:19:44LloreanIt has a real time clock, I don't know if it can have alarm functionality.
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16:20:05SofRaZorbacKand waht about the x5? do you know ?
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16:20:23SofRaZorbacKjust wanted to apply a patch to test but ...
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16:22:54LloreanI don't know about the X5.
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16:55:49Prowhere can i get a compiled rockbox with albumart???
16:56:06dionoeaon the forums
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16:56:18dionoeain the unsupported builds category
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17:00:47Prothe latest build for the H300 is from march 2007
17:02:00bluebrotherso what? As the forums name tells these are unsupported builds
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17:02:34linuxstb_Pro: For iriver unsupported builds, you may have more luck at the misticriver forums.
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17:18:34sevenfoldizmCould someone tell me why when I try to turn my e200r into an e200 so I can dual-boot rockbox but when I do it it says "Load main image failed"
17:20:12linuxstb_What exactly have you done so far?
17:21:16sevenfoldizmI recovered the bootloader and then I drag the firmware in, eject, restart and it gives me that message.
17:22:40linuxstb_What do you mean by "recovered the bootloader" ?
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17:29:40lazkaI'm having a problem.. since about one week my sansa e200 display is some kind of flickering.. even in the OF. is it possible that RB changed some registers or is it a hardware defect?
17:30:54lazka(like everything, i dropped it quite a few times.. :P)
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17:32:44linuxstb_lazka: It's probably worth uninstalling Rockbox and seeing if the problem remains.
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17:40:57n1sSlasheri: ping
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17:44:38*Domonoky has his first testplugin running in rbutilqt :-)
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17:57:12bluebrothercool :)
17:57:45bluebrotherI always wanted to look into plugins but got stuck at the usb pid stuff :o+
17:58:07bluebrotherhow does it work? By adding a new tab?
17:58:16Domonokyit relativly easy..
17:58:51Domonokyyou have to define a interface for function allowd for the plugin, my tesplugin just gets a own tab..
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18:03:54lazkalinuxstb: do you mean uninstalling the bootloader?
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18:04:55lazkait's even in the sansa boot splash.. and it reproducible stops at mounting and databasupdate in the OF.. that's weird.
18:05:52Lloreanlazka: If it's in the Sansa Boot Splash, then it's before Rockbox runs any code.
18:06:11lazkadamn it
18:06:14LloreanBut you should still try uninstalling the bootloader, then doing a hard power off (holding the power button for 15+ seconds)
18:06:29LloreanBut considering you admit to dropping it several times, odds are in favour of that being the cause, I think
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18:26:24n1sSlasheri: I think I found a bug in tagcache.c, line 1558, get_tag_numeric() is called to get tag_virt_autoscore out of entry->tag_seek[] but tag_virt_autoscore is larger than TAG_COUNT, see tagcache.h line 32 while tag_seek is an array with TAG_COUNT elements so we try to read memory from outside the array...
18:31:38Slasherin1s: hmm, that's clearly a bug, thanks. I will look into that soon, unless you have a fix already :)
18:36:06Slasherijust an extra call to check_virtual_tags() should do it
18:37:36Slasherin1s: i will test and commit a fix
18:38:15n1sSlasheri: As I'm not very familiar with the tagcache code I'm not sure how to fix it really
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18:38:53Slasheriwell, i already fixed that, now testing. nice you found it :)
18:40:07lazkaLlorean: hm, ok i guess it's kinda broken... but i can live with it. the only funny thing is the reproducible way to get it back working again. do you know a way to make some kind of software reset with linux?
18:40:18n1sIt was actually a new warning introduced in gcc4.3 that got triggered, so I had a look :-)
18:40:49Slasherioh, gcc has gotten that smart? :)
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18:47:57My_Sichie everyone
18:48:18My_Sicwhere i can find a rockbox build with the calendar patch for my ipod 5G ?
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18:48:55LloreanMy_Sic: The answer to that, as always, is "Search the unsupported build forum"
18:49:00LloreanOr build it yourself.
18:49:38My_Sici actually can't do it my self, and in the unsupported build thay have nothing. I suppose i have to wait ...
18:49:58LloreanYes, you will.
18:55:15n1sanyone against the feature request in FS #7783 to disable wrapping of the lists for bass and treble settings?
18:55:44linuxstb_n1s: That wrapping keeps being introduced and removed, then re-introduced...
18:55:44LloreanSeems fine to me.
18:55:57Lloreanlinuxstb_: The bass/treble wrapping?
18:56:07*Llorean wonders when anyone ever needs to go from max to min, or vice versa.
18:56:25linuxstb_Llorean: Yes. I'm sure it never used to wrap
18:56:44Lloreanlinuxstb_: Maybe it's accidental. Perhaps with the introduction of SW Bass/Treble?
18:57:02LloreanThe feature request mentions a range of +24 to -24, which doesn't sound like the hardware ranges
18:57:06linuxstb_More likely when it when to a long list of integers
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18:57:49linuxstb_But anyway, yes I would agree with the feature request.
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18:59:05n1sso the only question is: should I try to add a flag in macro hell or expand the slightly hacky way it's done for volume int option_select.c ?
19:01:16LloreanI guess that kinda depends on whether there are (or are likely to be) many lists we don't want to wrap?
19:01:21linuxstb_n1s: Ouch, that option_select.c hack isn't nice...,
19:01:55n1slinuxstb_: I agree, I guess I'll try the macro hell way ;-)
19:02:09Lloreann1s: Will that allow you to remove the nasty hack too?
19:03:20n1sLlorean: I hope so
19:04:15linuxstb_n1s: Good luck in there.
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19:14:02Lloreanscorche: The newer version of the firmware may tell Windows that .mi4 files are not allowed to be synced though, I believe MTP lets a device list what extensions / file types it'll accept
19:14:55scorcheLlorean: yes, it may, but then again, this may work as well...we shall wait for his response
19:15:32LloreanI wouldn't be surprised if the newer version of the Sansa firmware won't allow copying of MI4 files except by the sansa updater program, or some such, though.
19:16:22scorchemaybe that has something to do with dual-boot issues....but then again, that means they wouldnt have rockbox on the device at *all*
19:16:55LloreanWe shall see
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19:26:41linuxstb_Llorean: Any chance of changing the title to this topic? In the UK at least, it's quite offensive.
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19:28:16scorchehrm...i didnt know that term had those kind of connotations across the pond
19:28:28scorchelinuxstb_: you should be able to edit it , though
19:28:57*Llorean did it.
19:29:50iambenwhat, scrolling?
19:30:05LloreanI'm off to lunch now
19:30:38iambenoh nm i see the old title
19:31:04iambeni thought maybe scrolling was some new sex thing
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19:37:50senabhas anyone been able to test out FS #7232?
19:38:20senabafter some use, i find it 100% better
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19:40:39iambenim gonna try it out myself, i do find the current keymap less than perfect at time
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19:41:35senabi find the original patch (Llorean's) a bit clumsy though, i keep stopping the music by leaning on the power button
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19:42:25shortnekanyone around?
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19:42:58shortnekwill i lose the ability to play any music on my ipod if i try rock?
19:43:10iambeni keep my sansa in my cupholder in my car, sometimes the record button gets pushed accidentally... need to find a way to disable that
19:43:16desowinshortnek: don't think so
19:43:38senabshortnek: depends on how you transfer the music
19:43:38shortneklol. I have many formats on the device at the moment so don't want the ability to play.
19:43:43shortneki was using itunes
19:43:54senabif you use itunes then you'll be fine
19:44:16desowinif you have any DRM tracks, then those won't play
19:44:33shortnekdrm are typical with itunes downloads, correct?
19:44:34desowinbut otherwise - rockbox supports much more formats than original Apple Firmware
19:44:38senabalso make sure you use the database and not file-tree browsing
19:45:01n1sshortnek: yup most tracks from iTMS are drm encrypted
19:45:02shortnekso anything drm won't play anymore.
19:45:19shortnekconverts out there?
19:45:26n1sshortnek: well, they'll still play in your OF
19:45:46n1sOriginal Firmware
19:46:04shortnekso if i go back to the ipod firmware they will play
19:46:14shortnekbut not in RB
19:46:16desowinyou can dual-boot ;-)
19:46:36shortneki will try a dual boot
19:46:38iambendual boot has to be one of rb's most badass features
19:46:55iambenpeople are still amazed when i tell them about my dual booting music player
19:47:13shortnekinstuctions on dual boot in the manual
19:47:29iambenits dual boot by default
19:47:40linuxstb_shortnek: The default install will be dual-boot. To start the OF, turn the hold switch on as you boot.
19:47:42iambenyou just hold a certain button at boot time to get to OF
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19:48:45derekquick Q: what's WS stand for?
19:48:53derekoops i mean WPS
19:49:04senabdoes anyone know if using the pregain with RG make much difference to battery life?
19:49:15senabWhile Playing Screen
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19:49:51n1ssenab: if you alraedy use RG it should make very little difference
19:49:52shortneki saw the article on rb in pc mag this week.
19:50:10linuxstb_senab: It uses a little bit more CPU, but I don't think anyone has measured it.
19:50:28shortnekbig reason to use it is for flac and sound config?
19:51:07senabthats what i was thinking. Need to boost the volume on my e280 a bit
19:51:12linuxstb_shortnek: Everyone has their own reasons - either audio features, games, themability, accessibility (Rockbox talks)...
19:52:37shortnekthanks for the guidance. i'll be back when all hell breaks loose
19:52:55linuxstb_shortnek: Obviously after you've read the manual... ;)
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19:54:41derekunder 'browse themes', these are wps's? or do they change system settings as well?
19:54:45shortnekof course
19:55:04bluebrothera theme is a collection of various settings. A wps is only the wps.
19:55:12dereki mean do they change anything other than colors?
19:55:18derekah i c
19:56:07senabthemes tend to change: wps, fonts, colours, backdrops, icons
19:56:28senab...but can change anything
19:56:57derekso the fancy black shiny wps i see at the themes site is a single wps file?
19:57:47bluebrotherit's a theme as it also requires you to select the matching colors, font etc.
19:57:49senabwhats the theme called?
19:58:16bluebrotherwhich is what the theme file does. The wps only affects what is displayed on the wps. It does not even include the font
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19:58:48derekok. it's called HiMDforMe
19:58:58derek@ he wps gallery
19:59:32dereker no, thats the creator. its called icatcher
20:00:09senabicatcher is included with rockbox, not sure what changes HiMDforMe has done to it
20:00:51derekok, but for the sake of curiousity; unzipped, it's a wps file and a folder full of bmp's; where do these go?
20:01:20webguest05when i try to go to the site to ask about ubuntu, a windows pops up asking for my username and password. Anyway to get around this
20:01:46senabderek: most wps's now are zipped so you just unzip them to the root of your player, they'll automatically go to the right folders
20:01:52n1swebguest05: what does that have to do with rockbox?
20:01:56linuxstb_derek: They go into directories of the same name inside .rockbox
20:02:55webguest05i'm trying to install it manually on my e200r since the auto-installer doesn't seem to be making much progress
20:03:07bluebrotherwebguest05: is the address of the irc server, not a web address −− and I doubt they run a www server at that address.
20:03:36webguest05oh, okay
20:03:52bluebrotherand you can't "ask" on a web server. You need an irc client.
20:05:51webguest05scorche: thanks, that's what i wa looking for
20:06:38linuxstb_webguest05: What auto-installer are you trying to use on the e200r?
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20:30:11derekwhat are the main differences/advantages between the 'current build' of RB and the latest 'daily builds'
20:30:49LloreanIf you've installed a daily build and ask for support, you'll be told to test a current build.
20:31:28LloreanCurrent builds are newer most of the time, and at worst equal age, and if a bug lands in the daily build and gets fixed 5 minutes later, the daily build for the next 23:55 will still have that bug, while the current build won't.
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20:32:09derekso the build at changes daily?
20:32:28LloreanThe daily build changes daily.
20:32:31LloreanThat's what "daily" means.
20:32:38LloreanThe current build changes every time a developer commits a change.
20:32:54derekso how often does the "current" build change?
20:32:59dereko ok
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20:33:18LloreanIt even says so at the top of the current build page
20:33:58derekas clear as it may seem to you.. its confusing to me..
20:34:10derekbut i get it now.
20:34:32shortnekwhy does the manual i downloaded say"draft version"
20:34:36bluebrotherwe don't have "daily" builds anymore anyway. It's now the "archived" builds
20:34:39Lloreanshortnek: Because it's a draft.
20:34:43bluebrothershortnek: because it's a draft?
20:34:52shortnekso it is always a draft?
20:35:02Lloreanbluebrother: It still says "daily" on the current build page link
20:35:21bluebrothercurrently yes. We don't have a "stable" manual, as we also don't have a stable release (except for archos)
20:35:24LloreanBut there's still the word "daily" that's very literal, and the explanation at the top of the current page as to it being made every change.
20:35:44bluebrotherLlorean: it does? Oh, I thought that was changed a while ago
20:36:06LloreanIt was changed to "Archived Daily Build" but when the Current Build page had the table removed, I think it lost the 'archived'
20:38:02derekI installed all of the themes with rbutil, and none showed up on my device
20:38:28linuxstb_They don't appear in "browse themes" ?
20:39:24*linuxstb_ shrugs
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20:40:23dereki have my x5 partitioned, could this pose a problem?
20:40:38sersofthey I got a question (rockbox related of course)
20:40:49sersoftwhat is the best rockboxable mp3?
20:40:54sersofti mean the preformance
20:41:07linuxstb_In terms of raw CPU speed, it's the Gigabeat F by far.
20:41:14sersoftlike, no lag in videos, fast gbc emulation, all plugins work etc
20:41:30LloreanGigabeat F then, for now.
20:41:42sersoftyeah I noticed the gigabeat was pretty fast from the 2 youtube videos
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20:41:56sersoftis it cheaper than an ipod video?
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20:42:17sersoftim not looking for alot of space, 20gb is the maximum i need
20:42:21linuxstb_You should be able to buy them for around $100 USD. Although I think they're getting harder to find.
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20:42:42derekwhat's the worst player?
20:42:48linuxstb_($100 used - you can't buy them new any more)
20:43:02derek-slowest that RB supports
20:43:07Lloreanderek: In terms of raw CPU speed, the Archoses.
20:43:14Lloreanlinuxstb_: You can sometimes
20:43:29Lloreanlinuxstb_: I got a $99 F40 from Office Depot new, by chance. But they sold out of those.
20:43:39sersoftlol atm i got a nano and i love it, i thought of getting another nano with more space but that would put my old nano to waste
20:43:58sersoftits only 1gb
20:44:08linuxstb_derek: The Archoses don't use their main CPU for audio decoding though, so aren't really comparable - Rockbox runs very well on them, but they're limited to only MP3 (and MP2).
20:44:24dionoeabluebrother: would it be ok to change some of the labels of the "Ok" buttons in rbutil to "Install" (for the installation dialogs)
20:44:27sersoftbut most are b/w lol
20:45:05sersoftalso the new ones (archos 504, 604 etc) will they ever be supported?
20:45:16linuxstb_What's funny about that? Very clear displays, easy to see in sunlight, no need for backlight...
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20:45:29Lloreansersoft: Players aren't planned for, people who own the players decide to work on them.
20:45:32dereklinuxstb_: ah. how does the x5 compare?
20:45:54bluebrotherdionoea: sounds reasonable to me.
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20:46:35linuxstb_sersoft: The archopen project have hacked most of the newer archos devices, so a Rockbox port is feasible. But they're media players, and Rockbox is (currently, that may change) an audio player firmware.
20:46:43sersoftI thought of buying a 3g nano to help the development but so far it's encrypted and I want rockbox on my new player.
20:47:18linuxstb_derek: The x5 seems well-liked by people that own it (I don't). It has a relatively small LCD though.
20:47:39sersoftmy nano is 176x132
20:47:47sersoftthe only one smaller is the H10
20:47:52sersoftand the b/w ones
20:48:01bluebrotherthe x5 is a coldfire based player. That means it runs fairly well, especially in terms of battery runtime
20:48:08linuxstb_sersoft: And the c100, and the X5...
20:48:13linuxstb_I mean c200
20:48:18sersoftim also looking for the cheapest player
20:48:33sersoftso far its the gigabeat
20:48:41advcomp2019sersoft, i like the e200 series
20:49:18sersoftare they fast for gbc emulation? cuz in the youtube vids its pretty slow
20:49:27sersoftand my nano runs it at full speed
20:49:40sersoft(in ipod linux though)
20:49:53scorcherockbox isnt ipodlinux
20:50:09sersoftbut it only runs on ipods
20:50:26advcomp2019i have not tried the gbc emulation on mine
20:50:28scorcheand i doubt the youtube videos were using the current build which may have improvements
20:50:43advcomp2019if there is one
20:50:52dionoeabluebrother: something else that could be neat would be to display an image of the selected DAP (like the one from the manual). I don't know if that would be a problem in terms of binary size (shouldn't be if the images are small enough)
20:51:00n1ssersoft: ipod nano 1G and the sansa e200 have very similar cpus o they should have comparable speed in rockbox
20:51:03scorcheone should never really use a youtube video for reference...
20:51:17sersoftscreen size is a factor too
20:51:18linuxstb_Yes, ipodlinux's gameboy emulator has had much more development than Rockbox's. There is no reason Rockbox's couldn't perform as well if someone made the effort though.
20:51:48n1ssersoft: yes but you can disable the upscaling in rockboy
20:51:53sersoftsansa's screen is bigger than the nano's (in pixels)
20:52:13scorcheout of curiosity, since this seems to be such a high priority for you, why dont you just get a gameboy?
20:52:27sersofti threw it away
20:52:43derekso can rockbox's entire gui be modded, or just the wps?
20:53:02scorchederek: the wps, background image, fonts and icons
20:53:09sersoftor do a custom build
20:53:15derekwhy not the navigation gui?
20:53:26linuxstb_derek: Plus the entire source code is available, so if you can program, you can do anything you wish...
20:53:29scorcheit can be "modded", but you would have to recompile
20:53:54derekso none of the themes could feasably change the look of the navigation gui..
20:54:09scorchebeyong background, fonts, and icons, not at this time
20:54:09BigBambiderek: other than font and icons, no
20:54:20sersoftthe wps are enough for me, ipodlinux made a new UI that is much more advanced but it's so slow I stopped using it
20:54:35scorchesersoft: this is #rockbox...ipodlinux is offtopic..
20:54:49BigBambiderek: no-one with the skills thinks it is that important. If it matters that much to you, you are welcome to write a patch
20:55:05derekbigbambi: ic
20:55:19BigBambiderek; proper words please
20:55:46derekbigmabi: Noted.
20:55:56sersoftso if I go to the store tomorrow I'll be looking for a gigabeat F or X
20:55:56BigBambiwe have many members who are blind with screen readers or with english as a second language. We like to help them out.
20:56:14scorcheyou wont find one at the store, as we told you...
20:56:15BigBambithanks :)
20:56:28scorcheunless the store carried used merchandise
20:56:33sersoftso I'll have to look online?
20:56:42sersoftalright then
20:56:48sersoftthanks anyway
20:56:48scorcheebay seems to be the typical place
20:57:01sersoftyeah i dont have an ebay account
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20:57:31derekamazon or newegg perhaps
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20:57:48derekoopd off topic sorry
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21:02:07shortnekso the remote won't work with my bose system
21:03:28BigBambiwhat remote for what player
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21:05:12*BigBambi too, but wanted to make the point it isn't all iPod. That assumption annoys me a bit
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21:14:27shortnekwhat are untagged songs?
21:14:59LloreanSongs missing whatever tag you're sorting by
21:15:16bluebrotherfiles without proper id3 tags / vorbis comments / whatever tags the file type supports
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21:22:07derekI can't get the 'Ocean' theme to install. (I'm using the "Webhop" ( build it calls for) Wherever I expand the theme zip from, it wont expand. Any ideas?
21:23:00GodEater_derek: Unsupported builds are called "unsupported" for a reason
21:23:34derekGodEater_: okay
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21:44:14kratonatori have a 3rd gen ipod and i used to charge it in the apple OS, i tried to charge it in rockbox but the battery indicator doesnt change although the theme has a chargin icon
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21:49:53TinGrin87will third=party hardware (such as the belkin FM transmitter for car) still work with the iPod after installing rockbox on the iPod video 30g?
21:53:56*petur notices the google mentor mailing list is becoming fun to read
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22:03:27webguest14A newbie here.....sorry. Anything for Zune?
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22:03:34dionoeawebguest14: no.
22:03:40bluebrotherno. Not even much interest.
22:03:45bluebrothercheck the New Ports forums
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22:13:02kugelanyone familiar with the customline patch?
22:13:34kugeli applied it, but i cant get the menu get centered with the iphone themes
22:14:06kratonatorit's not the customline patch which centeres the menu
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22:15:15kugeli thougt, because all these require the customline patch
22:15:29kugelwhich is it?
22:15:37kratonatorthe customline patch only puts text anywhere in the WPS
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22:17:45kugeldo you know which patch i need to make it work?
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22:18:25kratonatorhold on
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22:20:46kratonatorFS #5899
22:21:08goodman42auto-installer for sansa e200r is probably not possible
22:22:24Bagderwhy not?
22:22:35kugelthank you dude
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22:23:48homieloweHas anyone seen ?
22:24:39Bagderright now I think a deeper analysis of the firmwares would be interesting
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22:29:21kratonatoris it possible to write the code for a touchscreen player? or is it far too complicated?
22:30:14Bagderit would indeed be possible
22:30:23Bagdera touchscreen is not that complicated
22:30:34LloreanProbably one of the lesser burdens of porting to that sort of target
22:30:48bluebrotherif the specs are known ;)
22:31:08htmlhey guys, is there an up-to-date tool that converts the itunesdb and music storage to one that rockbox recognizes?
22:31:19htmli know theres an old tool, but is there a newer one?
22:31:28htmlim not even sure where the old one is, i lost it.
22:31:36htmland would the old one work?
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22:31:48bluebrothernone that I know of.
22:31:57bluebrotherand the old one won't work. The database format changed.
22:32:33Bagderhtml: just running the db on target and letting it make a new db is less of a hassle than writing and maintaining such a tool I guess
22:32:53htmlhmm, i cant say i understand what you mean
22:33:00htmlhow would i go about doing that?
22:33:08Bagderthere is a database in rockbox, it works
22:33:10LloreanBagder: I'll bet a database generation plugin will show up for RButil eventually, though.
22:33:12Bagdersee manual for details
22:33:13bluebrotherthe manual tells you how to use the database
22:33:49BagderLlorean: yes it surely could, and if it would use the same code as for the target I think it would have a fair chance to remain working too!
22:34:58htmli know how to access the files on my ipod, but it would be difficult because it has the random storage system
22:35:10LloreanBagder: I'm expecting third parties to create at the very least that, a scrobbler submission plugin, and an album art downloader.
22:35:18bluebrotherhtml: no. Use the database.
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22:36:14BagderI don't get it, if the itunes db would've been coverted with a tool, how else would you browse it if it wasn't with the database?
22:36:47Bagderah, you talked about something that renames files?
22:37:14Bagderthat should be possible with any half-baked tag editor kind of tool
22:37:33htmlbadger, according to them there is no working tool to covert the itunesdb
22:37:55bluebrotherhtml: you don't need to convert the Itunesdb. Rockbox generates its own database.
22:37:56Bagderdid I mention converting the db? nope
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22:38:09senabdoes anyone know what the max ampage the e200 can take in a charger?
22:38:21Bagderhtml: do you want a database or do you want file access?
22:38:48Bagdersenab: you mean if you overpower the usb?
22:38:50htmlumm, i'm fine with either
22:38:56htmlanything that works
22:39:03Lloreansenab: Someone's mentioned using 2000mAh chargers with it, I've done with 1000 I believe.
22:39:11Bagderhtml: so for database let rockbox index the files, for files you better use a tool that renames them
22:39:15LloreanBagder: Wall chargers are often more, like the iPod chargers.
22:39:18senabbadger: i need to buy a mains usb charger and i'm looking at the ampages
22:39:36Bagderare there wall chargers for the sansa?
22:39:46senab3rd party yes
22:39:58*Bagder didn't know that
22:40:00LloreanI know I've had no problems using it with my Griffin iPod charger.
22:40:08amiconnAnything above 500mA is a waste if the device complies to the usb standard
22:40:09htmlbadger: i see what you're saying. i need to find a third-party tool. do you know of any?
22:40:26Bagderhtml: easytag could rename files based on their tags
22:40:32Bagderlinux of course... :-)
22:40:49BagderI have no idea about windows tools for it
22:40:52senabis it a waste getting one over 500mA then?
22:42:03Bagderhtml: I think many people prefer the database approach since then you can still boot the OF and use that to play music
22:42:09htmland would easytag work with itunesdb and do it automatically?
22:42:28Bagderno tool exists that converts the db
22:42:31*bluebrother really don't get this asking about itunesdb
22:42:46BagderI was talking about renaming files based on their tags
22:43:11amiconnThere are many tools which can do that
22:43:13Bagdertags that are used to create the itunesdb in the first place
22:43:32amiconnFor windows there are The Godfather and foobar2000, among others
22:44:19senabevery charger i can find on ebay is 130mA
22:44:20htmli appreciate easytag, im going to use it with my new ipod and rockbox
22:45:04htmlbluebrother, im asking about itunesdb because i have an ipod mini 2G and i want to convert it to rockbox in the easiest way possible
22:45:35senabquod libet is better than easytag imo
22:45:49bluebrotheryou still don't need itunesdb for that. If the files are properly tagged the database will just work fine with it.
22:45:52bluebrotheras renaming based on tags would.
22:46:04kratonatoryes, that's what i wanted to say
22:46:09Bagderyeah, either way would use the same tags
22:46:18krazykitsenab, well, ex falso ;-)
22:46:35bluebrotheritunesdb just duplicates the tags. Given that the files are tagged correctly.
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22:46:49senabmy bad, i always get confused which is which
22:47:13senabjust saw that exfalso has a new replaygain scanner, wooop!
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22:47:37senabi think thats the first linux based RG scanner
22:47:41htmloooh, bluebrother. i thought the randomly placed files in the ipod didnt have tags and the itunesdb was all that was used for tags, but you're saying that the randomly placed files in the ipod's hidden folders are tagged, correct?
22:47:44Bagderthose are just... weird names
22:48:17Lloreanhtml: They'll have any tags they had before, if you added "tags" in iTunes, those may only be in the itunesdb.
22:48:22bluebrotherhtml: _if_ you edit tags iirc they will only be present in the itunesdb. But if your files are tagged correctly itunes won't strip those.
22:48:31LloreanBagder: I agree about those being really odd names.
22:49:02kratonatorin the same context, is it possible to make sncviewer work with all those weird names?
22:49:57senabdoes this sound right? input current: 130mA, output current 500mA
22:52:13htmlokay. so will the ones i tagged in itunes be tagged in the folder, or will i need itunesdb for that?
22:52:43*Soap modded down the /. comment suggesting Rockbox as an "alternative" for the new iPods on Linux, and modded up the correction someone else posted.
22:53:13*Soap Would like it very much if at least one other person with current modpoints would do the same. Disinformation on /. travels fast.
22:53:31bluebrotherhtml: may I suggest just trying it? I guess almost none in here is interested in the ItunesDB and knows this ...
22:53:46*Soap is talking about
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22:54:17htmlyeah. sorry guys for being such a bother. (i was being lazy as i lost my cable and have to look for it) thanks for all your help. have a great day!
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22:56:23Bagderthat article (comments to it) has referred over 700 visitors to
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22:56:41Soapnot my sig this time, I promise!
22:57:09Bagderalmost as many as from the bloat-free article from a week ago or so
22:57:12***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
22:57:22SoapI'll take credit for that ;)
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22:57:30Bagderhehe, yeah that was neat!
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22:58:24Soapsenab: that sounds like an 8% efficient conversion from 240v mains to 5v USB!
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22:59:03senabsoap: i was thinking that, but every one on there is the same
22:59:52Soap16% efficient, as they are probably quoting the maximum input draw from a 120 source?
23:00:21derekWhat is the proper way to install ''?
23:00:53Soapderek: the "proper" way is to simply extract the .zip file to the root directory of your player, as the needed path is already built into the .zip file.
23:00:53kratonatorextract it to the root of your player
23:01:12derekThank you both.
23:01:14*bluebrother points to the manual once more
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23:03:27senabi think i might just buy a 500mA charger, they're cheap and cheerful
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23:10:13LloreanSomeone's succeeded in running e200rpatcher in windows now.
23:10:37senabllorean: how? i thought libusb didn't work on windows
23:11:03LloreanApparently you need to compile custom .inf drivers for each of the IDs the device uses.
23:12:43senablibusb-win32 hasn't been updated for 2 years anyway
23:13:13advcomp2019nice to see someone getting it to work in windows
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23:47:23linuxstb_Does anyone know how to tag revisions in SVN? We need to release a new e200 bootloader and sansapatcher...
23:51:10linuxstb_Do we have a convention for tagging things?
23:51:29BagderI'm not aware of any
23:51:58*linuxstb_ browses
23:52:36linuxstb_So maybe "bootloader_e200_v2" ?
23:52:52Bagderworks for me!
23:52:57LloreanSounds good to me, too
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23:54:51linuxstb_Bagder: Are you going to be around for much longer?
23:55:07Bagderno, I'm off to bed in a few mins
23:55:11Bagderback again tomorrow night
23:55:28linuxstb_OK. That will allow some people to test.
23:55:36Bagderit's rise and shine before 07:00 here ;-)
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23:57:10kratonatorgnite all
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