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| 00:06:18 | n1s | jhMikeS: while testing out gcc4.3 today I noticed that adding 'volatile' to the big asm blobs in pcf50606-coldfire.c make them work perfectly again, do you think there will be any bad side effects? |
| 00:08:07 | barrywardell | linuxstb: what's the new bootloader for? want me to test? |
| 00:08:34 | Llorean | barrywardell: I think it's to fix the LCD glitch |
| 00:08:53 | barrywardell | ah, ok. makes sense, thanks |
| 00:10:01 | amiconn | linuxstb: If you're going to release new bootloaders, I think we should release the 1st/2nd gen bootloader as well |
| 00:10:17 | amiconn | ...even though suspend still isn't implemented :\ |
| 00:10:19 | barrywardell | we never had a bootloader_e200_v1 tag, but we probably should have... |
| 00:10:51 | linuxstb_ | amiconn: Sure, but let me do one at a time ;) |
| 00:10:56 | maxkelley | shoof. my cable dropped out for a moment. |
| 00:11:06 | maxkelley | 17 sec lag. |
| 00:11:50 | linuxstb_ | Can someone with an E200 and Linux test this binary to see if the uploaded application runs? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/e200rpatcher.gz |
| 00:11:51 | * | bluebrother isn't sure if he likes the "install all" button in the themes installation dialog ... selecting and installing multiple themes was already possible |
| 00:12:26 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Maybe rb-themes.org could host an "all.zip" in the future to make that feature more efficient? |
| 00:12:29 | dionoea | not everyone knows about ctrl-a or the shift key to select a lot of items in 2 clicks. |
| 00:12:44 | | Quit ompaul ("I think I'll just go over here and turn the lights out") |
| 00:12:49 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: I can imagine a lot of people would like to install all. |
| 00:13:13 | bluebrother | yeah, but it's kind of an invitation to "just install all" even if people don't want all. And it creates more traffic. |
| 00:13:59 | bluebrother | a "hold Ctrl / Shift to select multiple themes" text might be a nicer solution. |
| 00:14:21 | linuxstb_ | Obviously adjusted to the OS... |
| 00:14:31 | dionoea | is traffic really an issue ? |
| 00:14:47 | bluebrother | ok, themes are usually quite small. |
| 00:15:04 | bluebrother | at least compared to the other stuff. Except maybe ipod video themes ;) |
| 00:15:32 | dionoea | heh :) |
| 00:15:42 | linuxstb_ | Can Qt easily handle other compression formats? |
| 00:15:57 | dionoea | like lzma ? |
| 00:15:59 | bluebrother | we shouldn't support targets with that kind of big screens because of backdrop size reasons ;) |
| 00:16:15 | bluebrother | Qt uses zlib. |
| 00:16:25 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: It's probably not worth the effort, but I was wondering if we could use something more efficient than zip |
| 00:17:03 | bluebrother | isn't zip efficient enough? What were you thinking about? 7zip? bzip2? |
| 00:19:50 | kugel | hm |
| 00:19:58 | dionoea | hum, Complete installation tries to install the bootloader even if the target doesn't have one |
| 00:20:02 | kugel | rockbox doesnt show my bootlogo |
| 00:20:15 | kugel | the sim shows it, but not the real rb |
| 00:20:18 | dionoea | Same thing for Small installation |
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| 00:20:57 | bluebrother | sounds like a missing check ;) |
| 00:21:05 | dionoea | where should i look ? |
| 00:21:14 | kugel | can someone help me? |
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| 00:22:07 | bluebrother | rbutilqt.cpp |
| 00:22:21 | webguest78 | Has it been proven that e200tool does not work on Cygwin? |
| 00:22:36 | linuxstb_ | webguest78: No, the opposite. |
| 00:22:51 | webguest78 | So it works on cygwin? |
| 00:22:52 | Llorean | webguest78: It has been proved that using e200tool with Cygwin is probably currently much more complicated than just booting a LiveCD though |
| 00:23:33 | bluebrother | someone got it working on windows, not cygwin |
| 00:23:56 | webguest78 | How. Libutils screwed up my computer big time. |
| 00:24:52 | webguest78 | Was it XP? |
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| 00:25:25 | webguest78 | I have vista. It doesn't work on mine. |
| 00:25:54 | linuxstb_ | Have you configured the uac appropriately? (don't ask me what to do though...) |
| 00:25:56 | bluebrother | vista seems to be problematic anyway. |
| 00:26:32 | webguest78 | Just tell me what UAC means. I'll figure it out with the power of google. |
| 00:26:40 | kugel | why does rockbox not my bootlogo, while the sim does? |
| 00:26:53 | linuxstb_ | webguest78: google understands uac |
| 00:27:10 | kugel | uac is user account control |
| 00:27:22 | Llorean | kugel: Are you compiling it in, or using a patch? |
| 00:27:24 | webguest78 | Yea. I know how to disable it. That's so annoying. |
| 00:27:38 | kugel | compiling |
| 00:27:51 | * | linuxstb_ wonders what the point is in a feature everyone just disables... |
| 00:28:14 | bluebrother | making the system slower, creating a need for faster machines |
| 00:28:46 | linuxstb_ | Couldn't they just secretly slow the clock down and save some power? |
| 00:28:47 | webguest78 | It thinks it so secure with UAC, but it doesn't even help. |
| 00:29:11 | Llorean | kugel: So you're manually replacing the .bmp file, and then compiling it in, and not adding any patches at all? |
| 00:29:15 | scorche | David: whining about UAC is offtopic here |
| 00:29:16 | linuxstb_ | kugel: Try a "make clean" |
| 00:29:20 | kugel | uac mainly makes your account run with non-administrator rights even if you are administrator |
| 00:29:37 | kugel | what does that do? |
| 00:30:07 | linuxstb_ | It cleans your build directory. |
| 00:30:10 | webguest78 | You can change the compatabiliy settings and turn on admin. |
| 00:30:18 | kugel | just make clean after ../tools/configure? |
| 00:30:28 | Llorean | webguest78: Windows discussion is off topic here. |
| 00:30:45 | webguest78 | My cat just knocked my sansa off the table... |
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| 00:31:12 | scorche | webguest78: once more and you are gone...i have given you over 20 cumulative warnings |
| 00:31:31 | linuxstb_ | kugel: No. I'm just suggesting that you try building your patched Rockbox again, starting with an empty build directory. |
| 00:32:18 | kugel | ok |
| 00:33:30 | linuxstb_ | scorche, Llorean: Could one of you test the latest e200rpatcher on Linux? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/e200rpatcher.gz |
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| 00:33:57 | * | scorche hunts for his laptop |
| 00:35:27 | scorche | "Operating System not found"... |
| 00:35:34 | scorche | linuxstb_: perhaps in a bit... |
| 00:36:55 | linuxstb_ | Your laptop has lost its operating system? |
| 00:37:14 | scorche | so it seems...perhaps the hard drive died |
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| 00:37:37 | webguest78 | Is your drive making funny noises? |
| 00:38:04 | webguest78 | Stange Noises* |
| 00:38:12 | scorche | this isnt up for discussion...just was notifying linuxstb_ of my failure to comply with his request atm... |
| 00:38:46 | kugel | that worked |
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| 00:38:50 | kugel | thank you very much |
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| 00:41:00 | bluebrother | oh ... dionoea owns the frontpage svn table |
| 00:41:10 | DavidGWRawson | I am installing cygwin. When installing the features, do I pick SRC too? |
| 00:41:12 | dionoea | \o/ |
| 00:41:40 | bluebrother | I'll do something against it ;) |
| 00:42:14 | scorche | DavidGWRawson: do the instructions say to do that? |
| 00:42:16 | bluebrother | :P |
| 00:42:21 | * | ender` yawns |
| 00:42:48 | * | bluebrother wonders if ender` did much different than yawning in this channel |
| 00:43:31 | bluebrother | it's really nice to see rbutils bugs getting ironed out :) |
| 00:43:51 | dionoea | it's still leaking memory :) |
| 00:43:59 | DavidGWRawson | It doesn't say whether to choose Bin or Src. |
| 00:44:09 | DavidGWRawson | I think src might mean source. |
| 00:44:14 | bluebrother | it is? I never checked about that |
| 00:44:25 | dionoea | there are a bunch of logger = new ... |
| 00:44:29 | dionoea | but not a single delete |
| 00:44:41 | dionoea | well maybe it deletes itself when closing the window |
| 00:44:44 | scorche | binary/source |
| 00:44:45 | dionoea | so that owuld be ok |
| 00:44:58 | dionoea | *would |
| 00:45:04 | scorche | ...which, im sure you would have figured you through google... |
| 00:45:06 | bluebrother | is that needed? Qt destroys all childs once you destroy the parent |
| 00:45:18 | DavidGWRawson | Would there have to be a change in the bootloader to be able to boot from the MicroSD card? |
| 00:45:19 | bluebrother | well, at least I think it does from what I remember from the docs ;) |
| 00:45:47 | scorche | to put it simply....yes |
| 00:45:48 | dionoea | hehe :) It's not like memory usage matters in a small app such as rbutil anyway |
| 00:46:29 | bluebrother | yep. But having less bugs is always a good thing (tm) ;) |
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| 00:47:24 | dionoea | is it ok if i do a commit to remove trailing white spaces ? (purely cosmetcis) |
| 00:47:28 | dionoea | *cosmetics |
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| 00:47:51 | bluebrother | I wouldn't object. |
| 00:48:05 | bluebrother | you could include other code policing as well :) |
| 00:48:17 | dionoea | my editor is configured to print those bright red so it hurts my eyes :) |
| 00:49:12 | bluebrother | hmm, running rbutil with valgrind makes it slow as hell |
| 00:50:17 | bluebrother | the leak summary doesn't look too nice :( |
| 00:52:39 | DavidGWRawson | So does cygwin run good for compiling rockbox? As in speedwise. |
| 00:53:12 | DavidGWRawson | Would I be better off using LiveCD? |
| 00:53:27 | scorche | cygwin is slow |
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| 00:53:52 | bluebrother | we also have a vmware image. |
| 00:54:08 | DavidGWRawson | Vmware is huge. Takes up tons of memory. |
| 00:54:56 | scorche | the memory is configurable |
| 00:55:02 | advcomp2019 | it is not huge compared to the other images you can get |
| 00:55:13 | bluebrother | if you run it text-only you don't need that much of memory |
| 00:55:16 | DavidGWRawson | I meant hard disk. |
| 00:55:31 | DavidGWRawson | Does it use image files as the hard disk? |
| 00:55:41 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 00:56:00 | DavidGWRawson | Then How do I get the files out of it? |
| 00:56:14 | scorche | samba share that is pre-configured |
| 00:56:22 | bluebrother | or use sftp |
| 00:57:02 | bluebrother | ipodpatcher seems to leak memory too. At least if I trust valgrind |
| 00:57:03 | DavidGWRawson | Cygwin is installed. |
| 00:57:15 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 00:57:22 | bluebrother | well, it depends on you if you want to use cygwin. It _is_ dog slow. |
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| 00:59:28 | DavidGWRawson | cygwin doesn't know any commands. mkdir doesnt work. |
| 00:59:42 | bluebrother | then your installation is broken |
| 00:59:45 | DavidGWRawson | command not found |
| 01:00 |
| 01:00:40 | DavidGWRawson | Can I use pearPC to use the vmware image? |
| 01:01:18 | * | bluebrother has no idea about pearpc. |
| 01:01:34 | | Quit ender` (" Theory: we know everything, but nothing works. Practice: things work, but we don't know why. Combining theory and practi") |
| 01:01:47 | * | Llorean thought PearPC was a PowerPC emulator. |
| 01:02:06 | DavidGWRawson | it is |
| 01:02:21 | bluebrother | then it obviously won't work with the vmware image |
| 01:03:24 | DavidGWRawson | So its a special image. How do I install the Cygwin commands, I'm running setup again. |
| 01:03:59 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment |
| 01:04:12 | bluebrother | well, vmware emulates an x86 pc. And x86 binaries obviously won't work in a ppc environment. |
| 01:05:09 | Llorean | bluebrother: vmware doesn't emulate, which is why it's x86-only. |
| 01:05:43 | bluebrother | Llorean: I know it uses the cpu but didn't want to complicate this sentence even more ;) |
| 01:05:44 | Llorean | Or it's not wholly emulation. I'm not sure I fully understand it, but it makes use of the host architecture. |
| 01:05:49 | Llorean | :) |
| 01:05:50 | Llorean | Alrighty |
| 01:06:06 | bluebrother | if not it would be dog slow :) |
| 01:06:25 | DavidGWRawson | Then I'll install every single package on vmware, though it will take a while. |
| 01:06:33 | bluebrother | sometimes I wish I would've been abroad for a longer time to an english-speaking country. |
| 01:06:34 | Llorean | *cough*QEMU*cough* |
| 01:06:35 | DavidGWRawson | Cygwin* |
| 01:06:50 | scorche | DavidGWRawson: did you not see the link i just pasted you? |
| 01:07:10 | DavidGWRawson | I now have two of the same pages running. I already had it up. |
| 01:07:25 | scorche | then why would you want to install every single package? |
| 01:07:33 | DavidGWRawson | Just to be sure. |
| 01:07:43 | Llorean | DavidGWRawson: You can be sure by simply following the steps on that page. |
| 01:07:47 | DavidGWRawson | So I am missing nothing. |
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| 01:08:00 | Llorean | I assure you, if you don't add any steps by, say, removing other packages that it doesn't tell you to remove, you'll be fine. |
| 01:08:21 | DavidGWRawson | I didn't remove any. |
| 01:08:37 | webguest74 | hey guys, does anyone know why the now playing screen doesn't seem to appear as the themes show it? i'm on ipod 5g video 30gb |
| 01:08:51 | | Part Llorean |
| 01:09:08 | DavidGWRawson | Does your rockbox support your theme. You may need to patch it. |
| 01:09:20 | webguest74 | i tried a few of them |
| 01:09:29 | webguest74 | all the same |
| 01:09:38 | webguest74 | could it be the build? |
| 01:09:47 | scorche | define "not the same" |
| 01:10:10 | webguest74 | well it doesn't show a stylized progress bar etc |
| 01:10:39 | webguest74 | it shows the normal menu bg and custom fonts but nothing in terms of layout, interface elements etc in now playing |
| 01:10:52 | scorche | well, does it look the same as the default wps? |
| 01:11:02 | scorche | ignoring things like the background |
| 01:11:16 | webguest74 | no, it shows the background and fonts from the theme |
| 01:11:26 | webguest74 | which is odd... |
| 01:11:27 | scorche | ignoring things like the background |
| 01:11:45 | bluebrother | look at the text: is it the same as the default wps? |
| 01:12:00 | webguest74 | no, it uses the fonts from the themes |
| 01:12:12 | scorche | not the style of the text...the arrangement and bars |
| 01:12:13 | bluebrother | text != fonts *sic* |
| 01:12:42 | bluebrother | ok, other approach: which themes did you try? |
| 01:12:55 | webguest74 | ipod vision aa |
| 01:13:27 | scorche | and are you using an official build? |
| 01:13:28 | bluebrother | needs a custom build. |
| 01:13:31 | webguest74 | crashbox, but crashbox worked |
| 01:14:01 | webguest74 | yeah i think offical build |
| 01:14:03 | bluebrother | well, the themes pages shows "Min. Version". |
| 01:14:25 | bluebrother | if that line says something different than "Recent Daily Build" you need an unsupported build |
| 01:15:23 | webguest74 | oh ok... i will have a look thanks |
| 01:15:47 | DavidGWRawson | Is vmware like virtual machine? |
| 01:15:55 | bluebrother | it is a virtual machine. |
| 01:15:58 | webguest74 | "but should work on any build with AlbumArt, Bitmap Resize and Scrolling Margins patches." - i guess that's the problem right there ha ha |
| 01:16:04 | webguest74 | thanks |
| 01:16:27 | linuxstb_ | Does any Sansa user want to test the new sansapatcher? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher-0.3.zip (that contains binaries for Linux, windows and Mac) |
| 01:16:58 | bluebrother | DavidGWRawson: from the vmware homepage: "Virtualization, Virtual Machines & Virtual Server Consolidation" |
| 01:17:42 | advcomp2019 | not found for the link linuxstb_ |
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| 01:19:16 | DavidGWRawson | i wanna test the new sansa patcher! |
| 01:19:48 | DavidGWRawson | It's not there. It's a 404. |
| 01:20:04 | DavidGWRawson | The link is wrong. |
| 01:20:12 | linuxstb_ | Try again... |
| 01:20:27 | DavidGWRawson | You fixed it! |
| 01:21:25 | DavidGWRawson | Does e200tool work on VMware? |
| 01:21:46 | advcomp2019 | linuxstb_, does that work with the e200rs or not |
| 01:22:12 | DavidGWRawson | It shouldn't. |
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| 01:22:33 | DavidGWRawson | E200tool is the only way for the Rs |
| 01:22:37 | linuxstb_ | advcomp2019: No. |
| 01:22:48 | advcomp2019 | i will not worry about it then |
| 01:22:51 | bluebrother | there is e200rpatcher ... |
| 01:22:57 | webguest74 | also, do you think it's possible to make a radio for ipod using headphones as aerial? |
| 01:23:14 | bluebrother | webguest74: how should this work without a receiver chip? |
| 01:23:35 | webguest74 | i have no idea ha ha |
| 01:23:44 | bluebrother | you can't make coffee out of tea, can you? |
| 01:23:45 | linuxstb_ | webguest74: No. |
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| 01:24:15 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: A better analogy might be making coffee without any coffee.. |
| 01:24:21 | webguest74 | i thought that the itunes remote just enabled it or something ha ha |
| 01:24:24 | bluebrother | hehe ;) |
| 01:24:51 | linuxstb_ | webguest74: No, the radio remotes are basically an external radio. |
| 01:24:53 | bluebrother | well, unless you have a chip that does the hf part you can't receive radio. |
| 01:25:34 | webguest74 | guts, and one more quesiton, is there support for remote with dock? |
| 01:25:40 | bluebrother | no |
| 01:26:51 | webguest74 | oh ok, well anyway i'm quite please with rockbox cause it unlocks lots of stuff that used to really annoy me.. thanks for your help |
| 01:27:20 | advcomp2019 | wait... webguest74 it right.. there is a radio addon −−> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?mco=B9EC42BD&nplm=MA070G/C |
| 01:27:45 | advcomp2019 | is* |
| 01:27:45 | linuxstb_ | advcomp2019: We know that - they're an external radio receiver. |
| 01:27:56 | advcomp2019 | o ok i did not know |
| 01:28:28 | bluebrother | you can't enable radio if there is no chip present. And apple won't add such a chip if they can sell it separately, that's for sure. |
| 01:28:56 | linuxstb_ | It's nice though - RDS support... |
| 01:29:49 | DavidGWRawson | You cant use the radio if you dont have a radio. |
| 01:30:29 | bluebrother | we could fake it −− show the radio screen and play back static ;) |
| 01:33:26 | webguest74 | ha, yeah well i'm not paying $99 for it (about 75USD i think) |
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| 01:35:54 | DavidGWRawson | What if we were able to set the cpu frequency to resonate with radio waves? |
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| 01:36:36 | DarkJesus | Hi |
| 01:36:55 | DavidGWRawson | My old ast computer used to pick up radio waves because of the low frequency cpu! |
| 01:36:55 | DarkJesus | So...what could I do on an iaudio X5 that I can't on an M5 |
| 01:36:56 | DarkJesus | ? |
| 01:37:28 | DarkJesus | Play music obviously, but anything else? (I am talking about rockbox on both) |
| 01:37:51 | DarkJesus | Spending £60 more will have to mean a lot of extra features |
| 01:38:23 | bluebrother | it's colored. |
| 01:38:42 | DarkJesus | And? |
| 01:39:02 | bluebrother | the m5 is greyscale |
| 01:39:12 | DarkJesus | Right |
| 01:39:20 | bluebrother | check the DeviceChart wiki page, but I don't know about other differences. |
| 01:39:26 | DarkJesus | Alright then |
| 01:39:36 | bluebrother | not sure if the x5 has an additional fm tuner |
| 01:39:47 | DarkJesus | If there was some amazingly sick feature the X5 had, then I would get it over the M5 |
| 01:39:51 | DarkJesus | But I don't think there is |
| 01:40:16 | DarkJesus | I could get quite a few things with that extra £60 :D |
| 01:40:39 | bluebrother | I'd prefer a greyscale device anyway. Color is nice, but that's it. |
| 01:40:56 | DarkJesus | Yeah |
| 01:41:03 | DarkJesus | I am going to get the M5 then |
| 01:41:06 | bluebrother | well, time to go for me |
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| 01:41:17 | DarkJesus | My H120 rocks, but I want a player with a bigger drive |
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| 01:45:01 | DarkJesus | I don't see any M5 themes on the rockbox site |
| 01:45:15 | DarkJesus | Does it happen to use the same as the H120? |
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| 01:46:01 | azories | this is so kinky, websites dont have anything better to do then funny logo's with loseless info? www.iplobster.com/ lol check this www.ipchicken.com |
| 01:46:20 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Could you test this e200rpatcher (for Linux) to see if the app I've built is OK? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/e200rpatcher.gz |
| 01:46:35 | DarkJesus | Seems it does :D |
| 01:46:47 | DarkJesus | linuxstb, I could test it |
| 01:46:58 | DarkJesus | Or is it for a specific device? |
| 01:47:05 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ok |
| 01:47:06 | linuxstb | It's for the e200/e200r |
| 01:47:09 | JdGordon | is that statically linked? |
| 01:47:28 | linuxstb | No |
| 01:47:32 | DavidGWRawson | You still need e200tool |
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| 01:48:26 | linuxstb | DavidGWRawson: No you don't. |
| 01:48:52 | DavidGWRawson | Really? Oh, it's for linux. |
| 01:48:56 | JdGordon | ./e200rpatcher: error while loading shared libraries: libusb-0.1.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 01:48:59 | JdGordon | ill compile it myself i guess |
| 01:49:06 | DarkJesus | Is £76 a good price for an MK6006GAH? |
| 01:49:12 | krazykit | JdGordon, do you not have libusb installed? |
| 01:49:14 | JdGordon | linuxstb: is that with svn? |
| 01:49:38 | JdGordon | i have libusb-dev installed... so it should be |
| 01:50:09 | krazykit | for sure. compiling it would be easiest, then |
| 01:50:15 | DarkJesus | MK8007GAH's are impossible to find :( |
| 01:50:16 | linuxstb | I think so... Maybe the best thing is if you could build the bootloader.bin, test it, and then give it to me. I'll then build a windows binary for zajacattack to test. |
| 01:50:18 | krazykit | instead of playing "guess the soname" |
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| 01:51:58 | linuxstb | DarkJesus: That seems about right - not a bargain, just normal. |
| 01:52:04 | DarkJesus | Alright, cool |
| 01:52:06 | ddalton | SofRaZorbacK: did you see the task I opened? |
| 01:52:21 | DarkJesus | Gonna make absolutely sure there are no mk8007gah's around first |
| 01:52:23 | ddalton | about the french translation |
| 01:52:50 | DavidGWRawson | May I ask a question? |
| 01:53:24 | DavidGWRawson | What do I do when rockdoom freezes and won't turn off. |
| 01:53:41 | ddalton | reset the player |
| 01:54:08 | JdGordon | linuxstb: svn e200rpatcher + installer dont seem to be working |
| 01:54:18 | DavidGWRawson | It won't reset, I hold the power button down and it won't turn off. |
| 01:54:45 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Hmm... Could you try removing that usb_set_configuration() call I added? |
| 01:55:11 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Is it uploading the app, but then the app isn't running? |
| 01:55:43 | DavidGWRawson | How do I make Ubuntu work with .exe files? It knows that they are executables. |
| 01:55:56 | advcomp2019 | DavidGWRawson, google |
| 01:56:05 | DavidGWRawson | Is there a way? |
| 01:56:12 | linuxstb | DavidGWRawson: You're getting very off-topic for #rockbox |
| 01:56:14 | JdGordon | linuxstb: hmm, removing it doesnt seem to make a difference, and it looks like its not running |
| 01:56:21 | JdGordon | (really need to keep that flashing led code in) |
| 01:56:35 | DavidGWRawson | for sansapatcher.... |
| 01:56:50 | linuxstb | DavidGWRawson: Just use the Linux binary... |
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| 01:58:08 | linuxstb | JdGordon: But in a way that's good news - hopefully if you can get it working again, e200rpatcher should work on Windows as well. |
| 01:59:53 | JdGordon | :( well the light is staying on.. so the code isnt running at all (i changed it ot turn the light of first thing) |
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| 02:03:18 | JdGordon | linuxstb: well, it seems i didnt have libusb-dev installed before, so i must have been running on my oher linux install, could be an amd64 problem |
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| 02:04:19 | linuxstb | Can you test on your other lInux? |
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| 02:05:17 | ADHDMan | Am I allowed to offer custom builds of rockbox to the internet community? |
| 02:05:44 | JdGordon | ADHDMan: only if you pay 10% royalites to rockbox |
| 02:05:56 | linuxstb | And another 10% to my personal account |
| 02:06:07 | ADHDMan | Really? I'll have to do that. |
| 02:06:12 | JdGordon | ADHDMan: (we are joking by the way...) |
| 02:06:25 | JdGordon | course you can.. its open soure... do what you like with it |
| 02:06:30 | ADHDMan | I should donate. |
| 02:06:41 | linuxstb | You need to follow the GPL though - basically if you just make your source code available in the same place as the binary build you're fine. |
| 02:07:12 | JdGordon | linuxstb: laptop booting... |
| 02:07:32 | JdGordon | prob would have been faster to reboot this comp though :p |
| 02:08:03 | shortnek | anyway to load multiple themes all at once. |
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| 02:11:34 | DarkJesus | OK, there we are |
| 02:11:48 | DarkJesus | Iaudio M5L and MK6006GAH bought |
| 02:11:58 | ddalton | does the iaudio have a wake up rtc? |
| 02:12:55 | JdGordon | linuxstb: usb_set_configuration failed (-1) |
| 02:13:05 | JdGordon | on 32bit linux |
| 02:13:21 | linuxstb | And if you remove that call? |
| 02:14:57 | JdGordon | unable to clain interface |
| 02:15:11 | JdGordon | missing a setup call or somthing? |
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| 02:16:49 | linuxstb | That's odd - if you remove usb_set_configuration, e200rpatcher should be the same as the one that used to work for you. |
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| 02:19:27 | JdGordon | :'( |
| 02:19:32 | SaladFingers | where is helloworld in my plugins list? |
| 02:19:44 | JdGordon | you need to enable it in SOURCES |
| 02:19:45 | shortnek | how do i convert my untagged music |
| 02:22:06 | JdGordon | linuxstb: do you have a problem with http://rafb.net/p/GdbjzH63.html ? |
| 02:23:17 | JdGordon | SaladFingers: pick 1 user name and stick to it, or your ip will be banned |
| 02:23:43 | SaladFingers | I'll use my normal username then, I will log out and use that from now on |
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| 02:24:11 | DavidGWRawson | I'll stick to using this name. |
| 02:24:35 | SofRaZorbacK | hi all |
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| 02:26:27 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Looks OK. |
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| 02:26:46 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I'm going to sleep now - I'll check the logs in the morning, so let me know if you have any luck. |
| 02:26:54 | JdGordon | wait a sec.... |
| 02:27:13 | JdGordon | r14657, where was those three calls dupelicated? |
| 02:27:18 | JdGordon | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/rbutil/e200rpatcher/e200rpatcher.c?r1=14656&r2=14657 |
| 02:29:00 | JdGordon | dont worry, putting them back in doesnt make it work |
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| 02:31:18 | DavidGWRawson | I can't just copy a plugin from the rockbox archive and put it on another build? |
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| 02:32:30 | JdGordon | no |
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| 02:33:43 | shortnek | If i convert my itunes DB will it no longer be available in itunes |
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| 02:35:00 | mschneider | what sort of knowledge is needed to port rockbox? |
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| 02:54:09 | Nimdae | what exactly is rbutil? |
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| 02:57:01 | JdGordon | a collection of ones and zeros |
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| 03:06:24 | Soap | <scorche> beyong background, fonts, and icons, not at this time |
| 03:06:36 | Soap | don't forget custom colours per file-type! |
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| 03:18:48 | mschneider | what ever happened to the default theme contest? |
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| 03:21:24 | Soap | It is still alive, but not well. |
| 03:23:37 | mschneider | hmm...not enough submissions i suppose? |
| 03:23:37 | Soap | People seem to find the task of making a theme which works well on all platforms daunting. There has only been one serious attempt, IMHO, and despite an admirable job porting it to many (all?) platforms, it received much resistance from the old guard. I'm not accusing them of being wrong, but many people seemed to find it not compelling enough to replace the old reliable. |
| 03:24:37 | mschneider | Oh well, it's a nice thing to have out there anyway. |
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| 03:50:37 | xexos | hello |
| 03:50:57 | maxkelley | halo. |
| 03:53:22 | xexos | my ipod wasn't booting into rockbox, however when I tried going into disk mode (select+play/pause), it did. I reinstalled rockbox. However it is above the apple firmware in the priority for booting, so I have to put hold on to get into it. Any easy way to switch this |
| 03:55:40 | * | xexos is also a nub at the ipod hacking |
| 03:59:06 | xexos | I have a 80gb video if that helps |
| 03:59:07 | Chronon | xexos, you would have to change the source code in the bootloader and compile your own |
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| 04:00:08 | Soap | check mikeage's unsupported build in the forums. |
| 04:00:17 | Soap | I'm not sure if he still builds the reverse bootloader. |
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| 04:04:53 | Tom0 | howdy im looking to buy a music device and wanted to no which player has the best suppoer3t for rockbox? |
| 04:04:56 | Tom0 | i may buy off ebay |
| 04:05:04 | Tom0 | so i dont mind if the product is a lil old |
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| 04:07:23 | Soap | there's a buying guide in the wiki, but if you don't want recording, and you do want color the answer is Gigabeat F or X series. |
| 04:13:11 | Chronon | And for recording you want the iriver H1xx series |
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| 04:34:55 | derek | Whenever I try to install any rockbox theme, fonts, icons, etc., (via unzipping of course), the files I intend to install are never expanded to the desired folders. Instead, a new folder with the name '.rockbox 1' or '.rockbox 2' or '.rockbox 3', are created. This is very frustrating, as I am forced to manually combine the contents of these numbered folders to get the desired effect. |
| 04:35:21 | Soap | which OS, which zip utility? |
| 04:36:25 | Soap | Because if I had to hazard a guess, I'd guess your zip utility is not set to overwrite or merge files, so it creates a duplicate folder structure appended with the numer. |
| 04:36:44 | derek | MacOSX, Stuffit Expander & Archive Utility |
| 04:38:21 | derek | I would hope this problem might get noted in the installation manual to avoid hours of confusion |
| 04:38:52 | derek | I tried stuffit's merge setting, it did not work either |
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| 04:42:59 | Soap | I'm not familiar with sutffit expander. |
| 04:43:15 | Soap | 7zip is free for OSx IIRC, try it, I know it works fine in Windows and Linux. |
| 04:45:05 | Soap | well, let me take that back... I haven't used Stuffit Expander since OS 7.6.1, so I don't recall how it does things very well. |
| 04:46:03 | derek | ok, thanks for the tip, trying it now |
| 04:51:56 | derek | just tried out 3 different 7zip apps for OSX; none having the desired effect (automatic expansio+merging) |
| 04:52:27 | derek | I take it the vast majority of Rockbox users are on Windows :) |
| 04:53:07 | advcomp2019 | linux i believe |
| 04:54:03 | qwm | i have pencils in my pants |
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| 04:55:47 | stuporglue | I'm having trouble understanding how to make playlists for Rockbox. Can I create them on my computer and add them? Or do I have to create them in Rockbox itself? |
| 04:56:01 | Chronon | either way, stuporglue |
| 04:56:26 | Chronon | Rockbox uses standard m3u playlists |
| 04:56:36 | stuporglue | ok, say I want to create one on my computer. m3u is just one file per line, right? |
| 04:56:46 | grndslm | i'm about to download rockbox on my sansa e280 for the first time in a few months... should i get the current or daily build?? |
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| 04:57:28 | grndslm | i guess current build |
| 04:57:35 | grndslm | r14720 |
| 04:57:42 | Chronon | yeah. You can make it in a text editor. I will often use a music app with playlist editor functions though. |
| 04:58:57 | derek | advcomp2019: if that were true, I would think there would be a linux for my iaudio x5 :( ;) |
| 04:59:16 | Soap | what would you want that for? |
| 04:59:38 | derek | linux on an x5? |
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| 05:00:14 | stuporglue | How do I reference the songs in the playlist? I tried listing them like "/Music/Titãs/Acústico/11. Hereditário.mp3", but when I loaded it and then looked at the current playlist, all the songs had (Err) in front of them and wouldn't play |
| 05:00:24 | derek | so I could ask you guys how to install it on there |
| 05:01:56 | derek | stuporglue: maybe because of the special characters. ã, ú, á, etc. |
| 05:02:27 | stuporglue | derek: Most of the songs don't have special chars though, and every song in the list had errors. I can try it without those though |
| 05:03:54 | derek | stuporglue: perhaps it didn't like the period, making it think ' Hereditário.mp3' was the file type |
| 05:04:17 | derek | stuporglue: (the period after the 11) |
| 05:04:27 | stuporglue | hmmm possible |
| 05:05:29 | stuporglue | derek: is the first part of the path correct? the /Music ? |
| 05:06:38 | derek | I'm not the person to ask really, but I would guess it would usually be '/DEVICENAME/MUSIC/ |
| 05:06:54 | derek | *oops no apostrphe of course |
| 05:07:31 | stuporglue | from Rockbox's pov? When I look at files in the RB file browser, I don't see any device |
| 05:07:59 | derek | for me, it's /IAUDIO/MUSIC/ and any group of songs in any folder is automatically a playlist as far as i can tell |
| 05:08:16 | stuporglue | interesting |
| 05:08:20 | derek | no not from RB's pov |
| 05:08:30 | stuporglue | ok. I'll go read the manual again and see if I can find something I missed |
| 05:08:49 | derek | what device are you using? |
| 05:09:12 | Chronon | stuporglue, as long as the relative path corresponds to the correct path on your player it should play the file. |
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| 05:10:10 | Chronon | What I usually do is open my music directory in Winamp's playlist editor and then edit and save however you like. |
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| 05:10:35 | stuporglue | relative to the Music folder? Sorry...I feel really dense that I can't make this work |
| 05:11:54 | derek | dont worry been feelin pretty dense myself, just discovered Rockbox yesterday. I was talking about relative to looking at the device as it was connected to a computer |
| 05:12:43 | derek | i would imagine I can be of little help to you unless you have an iaudio x5 ;) |
| 05:13:17 | stuporglue | sorry, iPod 3G |
| 05:13:22 | Soap | there should be no difference in such matters between targets. |
| 05:13:32 | derek | ah, i see. |
| 05:14:24 | stuporglue | I'll get rid of spaces, periods and non a-zA-Z0-9 characters from my filenames and see if that makes something magical happen |
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| 05:15:18 | Soap | I'm really tired right now - so there probably is a better way - but create a playlist ON your player, save it, open it, and compare. |
| 05:15:32 | Soap | fastest way to see what is different about yours. |
| 05:15:46 | Chronon | yeah. That's a good idea, Soap. |
| 05:20:45 | stuporglue | stuporglue@stuporglue-desktop:/media/MOONIE/Playlists$ cat ABBB.m3u8 |
| 05:20:45 | stuporglue | /Music/ABBA/Gold/05. Lay All Your Love On Me.ogg |
| 05:21:01 | stuporglue | looks like it starts with /Music and it doesn't care about spaces or periods |
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| 05:22:49 | Soap | perhaps a better test would have been a file with accented characters? ;) |
| 05:24:54 | stuporglue | yeah...I'm working on that now :/ |
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| 05:29:47 | stuporglue | Ok. It let me create a playlist where the playlist name had a tilde in it, and the file in it had an accent, a tilde, a space and a non-extension period |
| 05:29:53 | stuporglue | Maybe I've got other problems :-) |
| 05:31:23 | Soap | text encoding matches? |
| 05:31:35 | Soap | ie. UTF-8 vs UTF-16, that sort of thing? |
| 05:33:21 | stuporglue | close. UTF-8 Unicode text (theirs) vs. UTF-8 Unicode English text (mine) |
| 05:34:24 | stuporglue | The file extension Rockbox saves it as is m3u8 though, mine isn't, although Rockbox loaded it anyways |
| 05:35:55 | stuporglue | anyways, I've got to do some stuff before I head to bed. I'll have to work on this tomorrow |
| 05:41:23 | stuporglue | thanks for the help. Good night |
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| 05:59:05 | homielowe | So i'm following the cross-compiler tutorial on MAC OSX and I get this error when I try to "make install" "make[2]: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 05:59:23 | Soap | making the sim or the player's build? |
| 05:59:44 | homielowe | building GGC |
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| 06:00:01 | homielowe | GCC* |
| 06:00:40 | Soap | Are you trying to build the cross compilers by hand, or are you using the rockboxdev.sh script (I think that is the right name) |
| 06:01:08 | Soap | yes, that is the right name, just checked. |
| 06:01:56 | homielowe | build by hand using the crosscompiler tutorial |
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| 06:03:22 | Soap | give me a second while I read the wiki page, but I think even for OSX the shell script would be easier. Perhaps I'm full of manure. |
| 06:04:54 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler implies that the script will work on OSX. |
| 06:05:15 | homielowe | ok i'll take a look and see how that works out |
| 06:05:37 | Soap | I suggest you install SVN, check out the source code (you'll need it eventually) and in the tools directory you'll find the script. It has always worked a charm for me. |
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| 06:52:56 | oshogg | Hi everyone: does anyone know if unicode (UTF8) tags in mp3 files in Hindi language show up properly with rockbox on iPod video? |
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| 07:27:33 | ddalton | will a 20 gb hard drive from an ipod photo work in a 4th gen ipod (gray scale)? |
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| 07:37:46 | ddalton | anyone know? |
| 07:38:03 | Nimdae | i don't think so, but i could be wrong |
| 07:45:56 | scorche | according to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement , it will |
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| 07:46:42 | ddalton | ok thanks so the gray scale 4th gen is the same as the 4th gen photo? |
| 07:46:48 | ddalton | with hard drives |
| 07:47:02 | Nimdae | i would assume so |
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| 08:30:03 | SofianBabai | hi |
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| 08:31:35 | ddalton | ok where can I get help on modifying a hta file (voicebox)? |
| 08:31:49 | advcomp2019 | hello SofianBabai |
| 08:32:47 | ddalton | no one replied on the dev list. Are the |
| 08:32:58 | ddalton | so what should I do? |
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| 08:35:38 | ddalton | so there is only irc and the dev list where I can get help? |
| 08:35:47 | ddalton | So I won't be able to improve voicebox? |
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| 08:37:21 | ddalton | are the forums down? |
| 08:39:08 | * | ddalton Wonders why no one wants to talk to me! |
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| 08:54:24 | Osama | I put rockbox on my ipod awhile back, and I'm just getting back into using it again. I was wondering if there's a place that tells when the latest version came out, so I know if I need to update or not. |
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| 08:55:49 | SofianBabai | there's a build generated every 10 minutes and the last changes are listed on the main page of rockbox.org |
| 08:56:41 | JdGordon_ | builds are NOT generated every 10 min |
| 08:56:47 | JdGordon_ | they are done when a commit happens |
| 08:56:56 | SofianBabai | sory ... |
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| 08:57:36 | Osama | So is there a page that tells when the last build was released? |
| 08:58:08 | Osama | For each device, that is. |
| 08:58:14 | SofianBabai | sory i was confused by this: These builds are provided fresh after every source code change. If builds are not currently showing, wait 5-10 minutes and then refresh the page." |
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| 09:00:55 | Osama | I don't see where it says when the latest build was released... |
| 09:01:08 | scorche | <JdGordon_> they are done when a commit happens |
| 09:01:10 | SofianBabai | not sure but if it's told on the build page for example Page was last modified "Aug 31 2007" i assume personnally that the last build was done that time |
| 09:01:29 | scorche | there are many commits in a day |
| 09:02:15 | SofianBabai | so many builds in a day ... |
| 09:02:27 | SofianBabai | confusing ... :) |
| 09:02:41 | Osama | They get updated that often? |
| 09:02:48 | scorche | they do |
| 09:02:54 | scorche | ...check the commit log |
| 09:04:23 | SofianBabai | question: after compiling (with cygwin), is it necessary to delete all the stuff in the build folder before recompiling again? |
| 09:05:05 | scorche | not really, but if you encounter errors, you should |
| 09:05:09 | scorche | "make clean" |
| 09:05:57 | SofianBabai | one day, my voice files was messed up when compiling it without deleting the content of the folder |
| 09:06:11 | scorche | not really, but if you encounter errors, you should |
| 09:06:52 | SofianBabai | ok thanks i just put make clean without any argument? |
| 09:06:58 | scorche | i would suggest doing it everytime unless you are compiling the same build again and again with miniscule changes |
| 09:07:05 | scorche | clean is the argument |
| 09:07:12 | SofianBabai | ho ok :) |
| 09:08:03 | SofianBabai | and what does this "make clean" exactly ? |
| 09:08:12 | scorche | the build directory |
| 09:08:51 | SofianBabai | ok |
| 09:09:01 | SofianBabai | thx for your help |
| 09:11:16 | Caprisun | uh hi |
| 09:11:59 | Caprisun | does anyone know any progress/brick walls in the process with the new ipod classic? |
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| 09:13:19 | scorche | no one has attempted it, but i would imagine it has the same walls as the 2nd gen nano |
| 09:17:00 | Caprisun | understandable |
| 09:17:11 | Caprisun | thats really all im waiting for to buy it :3 |
| 09:17:38 | scorche | feel free to have a go at it yourself |
| 09:19:47 | Caprisun | oh im no coder :3 |
| 09:19:58 | scorche | what better time to learn? |
| 09:20:12 | Caprisun | if i wanted to learn everything i was interested in, oh boy |
| 09:20:25 | Caprisun | right now i want to focus on my musical interests |
| 09:20:57 | scorche | well then, you may be waiting a while |
| 09:21:34 | Caprisun | that i can do |
| 09:21:45 | Caprisun | what you guys do is great btw |
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| 09:25:51 | Chronon | It looks like the wiki page IpodConversionToFAT32 needs a little work. |
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| 09:56:25 | ddalton | what is wrong with this indenting? http://pastebin.ca/raw/699307 |
| 09:56:44 | ddalton | I am trying to get it right (How you guys like it) |
| 09:56:49 | ddalton | the indenting |
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| 10:00:21 | ddalton | no one knows how the indenting here works? |
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| 10:06:42 | davina | does rockbox support the sansa e200 series of players or just the e200 alone? |
| 10:07:04 | SofianBabai | the E200 series |
| 10:07:14 | davina | ah cool thx |
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| 10:48:58 | bluebrother | anyone against rejecting FS #7788? IMO it's only bloat. |
| 10:49:48 | JdGordon_ | not i |
| 10:50:09 | JdGordon_ | I actually think that was rejected once already |
| 10:50:12 | JdGordon_ | or its a duplicate |
| 10:50:27 | bluebrother | I had some similar impression but wasn't sure. |
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| 10:52:16 | Lear | jhMikeS: Stopping playback in the sim doesn't work properly, it seems. It just stays in the WPS... |
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| 11:21:01 | Lear | jhMikeS: Just creating a bookmark causes the same "freeze". Playback continues though. |
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| 11:30:14 | linuxstb_ | JdGordon: Any luck with e200rpatcher? |
| 11:30:27 | JdGordon_ | no |
| 11:30:47 | JdGordon_ | I was accidentrly not running it as sudo this morning, but even with sudo it didnt run my app |
| 11:31:01 | JdGordon_ | ive been playing with my mrobe this arvo :) |
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| 11:48:03 | Lear | jhMikeS: Ok, tracked it down to the first call to remove in dircache_do_rebuild. sim_remove calls dircache_remove, which never returns because dircache_do_rebuild is running... |
| 11:49:07 | * | JdGordon have a very simple touchpad/mouse system working in the sim :D |
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| 11:53:23 | ddalton | can someone help me with indentation? |
| 11:55:39 | linuxstb_ | I have a few minutes - what's the problem? |
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| 11:57:42 | ddalton | linuxstb_: Were you talking to me? |
| 11:58:03 | linuxstb_ | Yes |
| 11:59:02 | ddalton | Ok I have been trying to get my indentation right. I have finally worked out how to install indent on cygwin. And it seems to have done the indentation for me so could you have a look at my indentation? |
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| 12:00:08 | linuxstb_ | Sure. But the problem with using indent is that it may change existing indentation - meaning your patch will include lots of irrelevant changes. |
| 12:01:26 | bluebrother | can't you just tell diff to not include whitespace changes? |
| 12:01:31 | ddalton | ok could you have a look at the following link and tell me what is wrong with the indentation? http://pastebin.ca/raw/699390 |
| 12:01:54 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: Yes, that would help, but still might not be perfect - e.g. if indent changes brace positions. |
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| 12:02:25 | bluebrother | uuh −− what indent style is that? GNU? |
| 12:02:35 | ddalton | ok so does anyone have a solution for a blind programmer programming on rockbox? (I am not a programmer but couldn't say user) |
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| 12:02:47 | ddalton | because that wouldn't make sence |
| 12:03:28 | linuxstb_ | ddalton: 2 problems with that indenting: 1) It uses 2 spaces to indent, and Rockbox uses 4. 2) The braces are indented one level higher than the if() they belong to - they should be the same level. |
| 12:03:46 | bluebrother | try indent −−kr |
| 12:04:09 | ddalton | so "indent −−kr filename"? |
| 12:04:39 | ddalton | linuxstb_: Do you know how to change the indenting using indent |
| 12:04:51 | bluebrother | yep. This uses the "K&R" indentation style which should be much closer to Rockbox indentation |
| 12:05:13 | linuxstb_ | ddalton: No, I've never used indent. |
| 12:05:16 | bluebrother | ddalton: -i4 sets indentation to 4 spaces. |
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| 12:05:46 | ddalton | bluebrother I am in the shell. What should I type first? |
| 12:06:09 | GodEater_ | I'm sure I came up with a set of arguments to give to indent about 3 weeks ago that were perfect Rockbox style |
| 12:06:11 | bluebrother | the order doesn't matter. −−kr in fact includes -i4 |
| 12:06:16 | GodEater_ | they should still be in the logs |
| 12:06:20 | GodEater_ | K&R isn't quite right |
| 12:06:47 | bluebrother | no −− this is why I called it "closer" ;) |
| 12:07:16 | ddalton | so "indent −−kr filename" |
| 12:08:39 | bluebrother | GodEater_: indent -bl -bli0 -br -i4 -nut |
| 12:09:00 | ddalton | indent -bl -bli0 -br -i4 -nut filename ? |
| 12:09:10 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 12:12:55 | ddalton | is this any better? http://pastebin.ca/raw/699400 |
| 12:15:51 | ddalton | How do I get it to put the braces on there own line? |
| 12:15:57 | ddalton | and is the rest of the indenting ok? |
| 12:16:25 | bluebrother | well, it matches Rockbox style in a way I would consider good. |
| 12:17:04 | bluebrother | remove -bl -br to put all braces on its own line. Though I prefer having them after the if / while statement ... |
| 12:17:41 | n1s | we don't have a style guideline for that but you should follow the style of the rest of the file |
| 12:18:30 | Lear | jhMikeS: One strange thing though: how can it work on target? :) |
| 12:19:52 | Lear | jhMikeS: Found why: a check in remove() on target prevents it from happening. |
| 12:20:32 | ddalton | I know but being blind braces on new lines are a lot easier. |
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| 12:21:35 | ddalton | so what would the whole command be to 1. Do the indentation right. 2. Do the braces. 3. run on testprog.c |
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| 12:28:25 | n1s | Lear: I got the gcc 4.3 build to work yesterday, just had to add 'volatile' to a couple of asm blobs in the pcf driver and it all works nicely, still have th ecodesize problem with Tremor though |
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| 12:28:55 | * | JdGordon slaps jhMikeS |
| 12:29:12 | JdGordon | /* Needed by the accelerating wheel driver for Sansa e200 */ <- from uisimulator/sdl/button.c |
| 12:29:20 | JdGordon | caused me a bit of grief |
| 12:29:27 | * | linuxstb is still looking for people to test the new sansapatcher/e200 bootloader release - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher-0.3.zip |
| 12:29:34 | n1s | JdGordon: that's me :-) |
| 12:29:40 | JdGordon | ah woops |
| 12:29:42 | JdGordon | sorry jhMikeS |
| 12:30:17 | n1s | without it buttons wont work in the sansa sim |
| 12:32:12 | JdGordon | my workaround seems to be ok |
| 12:33:12 | JdGordon | haha nope |
| 12:34:53 | Llorean | linuxstb: I could've sworn that the bl_* files went in flash, rather than being kept in a hidden partition. |
| 12:36:25 | Lear | n1s: Nice. Any speed tests? |
| 12:38:12 | Llorean | linuxstb: On a related note, linux version of Sansapatcher works fine for me. |
| 12:39:13 | linuxstb | Llorean: No, there's no flash on the Sansas (apart from the "i2c rom" which e200tool can read/write) - that contains the "pre-bootloader" that loads the main bootloader from the hidden partition and (I think) provides the manufacturer mode functionality. |
| 12:39:26 | linuxstb | Thanks for testing sansapatcher - so the bootloader is fine as well? |
| 12:40:13 | Llorean | linuxstb: And the i2c ROM is where we write the patched BL_sd blah, right? |
| 12:40:38 | Llorean | The "Bootloader" loaded from the hidden partition is our MI4 file? |
| 12:41:06 | Llorean | linuxstb: I used the builtin bootloader for Sansapatcher, do I need to test the included .mi4 file separately? |
| 12:41:28 | linuxstb | No, the included mi4 is just to go on the server for rbutil to download - it's the same one that's embedded in sansapatcher. |
| 12:41:37 | Llorean | Alright, the embedded one boots Rockbox fine. |
| 12:41:47 | n1s | Lear: not yet, just a quick check in the audio debug screen show no boosting for mp3 at 192 kbit/s at least :-) I had to build Tremor with -Os so it is a lot slower than it used to be ~25% boost |
| 12:42:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: No problems with OF either. Since I don't have the line bug, I can't speak about that. |
| 12:42:09 | linuxstb | sansapatcher doesn't touch the i2c rom. It leaves the Sansa bootloader alone, and replaces the Sansa firmware with the Rockbox bootloader. |
| 12:42:25 | linuxstb | ^It also leaves the... |
| 12:42:43 | Llorean | linuxstb: The e200tool install process you mean? |
| 12:42:51 | linuxstb | No |
| 12:43:00 | Llorean | I'm talking about the e200R install process, for "writing the .rom file" |
| 12:43:15 | Llorean | sansapatcher just moves things around in the partition that we can actually see from the PC |
| 12:43:48 | Llorean | I'm trying to work out what exactly happens during the current R install process, because I may have given wrong information in the R automatic installer thread. |
| 12:43:58 | linuxstb | There are 3 pieces of Sansa code in the boot process - i2c rom, Sansa bootloader, Sansa firmware. The e200tool process replaces the Sansa bootloader with a patched version that ignores the signature check. |
| 12:44:05 | linuxstb | Is my explanation in that thread unclear? |
| 12:44:07 | Llorean | Ah |
| 12:44:36 | Llorean | Well, it doesn't align with what I thought was happening in the install process |
| 12:44:44 | linuxstb | I know... ;) |
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| 12:45:17 | Llorean | Since we install a patched bl_sd_boardsupportsd.rom |
| 12:45:26 | JdGordon | n1s: is there anything obviously wrong with http://rafb.net/p/Ams5ej24.html ? |
| 12:45:42 | Llorean | Which in the past I'd been led to believe was stored in ROM somewhere |
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| 12:47:25 | n1s | JdGordon: no that I can see, easy to test though, if the wheel works in the sansa sim it should be ok, also you might want to move the e200 comment down to the 1 << 24 line to make it less confusing, btw what are you working on? |
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| 12:48:13 | JdGordon | n1s: im working on mouse/touchpad for rockbox, and with that no buttons work and the mouse only seems to get the y value? |
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| 12:50:17 | JdGordon | intptr_t isnt 16bit is it? |
| 12:50:41 | n1s | JdGordon: nope, it's big enough to hold an adress |
| 12:50:54 | JdGordon | hmm... woops, im shifting after the bitmask |
| 12:50:56 | n1s | 32 bit for 32 bit targets and 64 for 64 :-) |
| 12:52:00 | JdGordon | now mouse works but keyboard doesnt :( |
| 12:56:07 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Any reason for doing that, or just for fun? |
| 12:56:24 | JdGordon | the mrobe has 1 button and a 640x480 touchscreen :) |
| 12:56:25 | ddalton | delYsid: around? |
| 12:56:33 | JdGordon | also, mouse in the sim could be fun |
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| 12:57:28 | ddalton | JdGordon: Not for a blind guy. What would it do exactly? |
| 12:57:36 | ddalton | a mouse in the sim? |
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| 12:57:47 | JdGordon | yeah, this is useless for the blind |
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| 13:00:52 | ddalton | what will it do for the sighted then? What beniforts does it have? |
| 13:01:49 | JdGordon | not much extra in the sim... but the reason im woring on it in the sim is becasue rockbox isnt runnig on the mrobe yet |
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| 13:10:20 | ddalton | what is the mrobe |
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| 13:10:45 | JdGordon | m:robe 500i |
| 13:13:07 | ddalton | does anyone know where I should buy a hard drive for an ipod. I have looked on ebay but is there any online manufacturer site? |
| 13:15:17 | daurnimator | ddalton: no |
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| 13:16:43 | daurnimator | cept for span |
| 13:16:53 | daurnimator | but they are hardly the cheapest |
| 13:17:03 | daurnimator | go spend a couple of hours looking them up on froogle |
| 13:18:53 | ddalton | so my only chance is ebay? |
| 13:19:04 | ddalton | if so how much should they be |
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| 13:29:18 | amiconn | ompaul: ping... |
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| 13:33:08 | * | JdGordon is king! |
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| 13:38:38 | * | n1s wasn't aware :-) |
| 13:39:05 | * | JdGordon doesnt know how to merge this cleanly with the current code |
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| 13:43:55 | JdGordon | as a very early start.. does anyone see anything obviously bad with this? jdgordon.info:8080/jonno/rockbox/touchpad.diff">http://jdgordon.info:8080/jonno/rockbox/touchpad.diff |
| 13:46:20 | JdGordon | well.. mostly with the new button modifier and putting the x/y value into the event data instead of the button value |
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| 14:07:39 | * | amiconn wonders what JdGordon is doing... |
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| 14:19:56 | Lear | n1s: You have an h320, don't you? |
| 14:20:14 | n1s | Lear: yep |
| 14:21:02 | Lear | So you didn't get any iram errors on rockbox.elf, I guess... |
| 14:21:57 | n1s | nope, it does grow about 20Kbytes some of it in iram but it appears like we have enough headroom |
| 14:22:56 | Lear | Not with the 2-bit lcd driver though. Some iram:ed functions grow quite a bit there. |
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| 14:24:52 | Lear | There's (or were, at least) some growth in kernel/thread stuff too, due to more being inlined or something. |
| 14:25:20 | n1s | Lear: you're right h100 build fails when linking with "IRAM is full" |
| 14:26:23 | Lear | And if I reduce iram stuff, I get section overlaps instead. :/ |
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| 14:29:29 | Triple-z | hello |
| 14:30:10 | Triple-z | i think im kinda stuck with my sansa e250 and rockbox cuse i cant load the OF.. |
| 14:30:25 | n1s | Lear: I just removed ICODE_ATTR from all the functions in lcd-remote-iriver.c and now it builds fine |
| 14:31:07 | Triple-z | it writes something like that: cant find /system/OF.bin bootloader faild to load |
| 14:31:21 | Triple-z | rockbox does load tho |
| 14:31:24 | Lear | I tried removing some of the non-remote functions. |
| 14:32:34 | n1s | when I checked the map for the h300 build I saw that those remote functions grew quite a bit, let's hope they improve this before the release comes :-) |
| 14:32:54 | n1s | Lear: also which binutils version do you use? |
| 14:33:15 | Lear | 2.18 |
| 14:33:37 | n1s | so does rockbox built with that work for you? |
| 14:35:04 | Lear | Nope, still section overlap. |
| 14:35:10 | n1s | I had to go back to 2.17 to get rockbox to work but I need 2.18 to build gcc :-/ |
| 14:36:50 | n1s | if I ran rockbox.elf through objdump when using 2.18 the first functions like <start>: only had "..." inside them |
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| 14:37:04 | Lear | Something changed in the link script syntax then, it seems. |
| 14:37:38 | n1s | I thought so too but I'm not familiar with those and I saw no mention of it in the release notes |
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| 14:38:47 | Lear | And it's only for rombox... |
| 14:41:10 | JdGordon | can anyone think of a problem with changing gui_synclist_do_button() to return BOOL instead of an action code to say weather the aciton was handled r not? |
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| 14:45:23 | bluebrother | are there any major advantages in using gcc 4.3 for coldfire? |
| 14:46:23 | n1s | bluebrother: I haven't tested it thourougly yet but it at least allows us to build the compiler without patches for amd64 |
| 14:46:27 | n1s | :-) |
| 14:46:32 | bluebrother | ok. |
| 14:46:49 | bluebrother | I have a h120, if you need someone to try a build on that just let me know |
| 14:47:02 | n1s | also since 4.3 > 3.4 it _must_ be better ;-) |
| 14:47:18 | Lear | n1s: What did you do for flac/shndec? |
| 14:48:49 | n1s | Lear: remove the 'volatile' from the asm blob in coldfire_lshift_samples(), haven't tested it though |
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| 14:49:06 | Lear | Sounds like that would break it... :) |
| 14:50:06 | n1s | I think that error is a compile rbug, it wasn't there two weeks ago and I don't understand why it would make sense so I hope it goes away by itself :-) |
| 14:51:47 | Paul123 | Hey I just installed Rockbox on my ipod, and i was just wondering what it meant by 'Building Database' under the Database option? |
| 14:52:03 | bluebrother | it creates the database. |
| 14:53:04 | Paul123 | For all the sub folders such as games etc? |
| 14:53:13 | bluebrother | for the complete disc |
| 14:53:19 | Lear | bluebrother: Just building for h120 right now. And so far, 4.x hasn't been better for m68k... |
| 14:53:37 | Lear | ... for my h120 ... |
| 14:53:39 | bluebrother | Paul123: check the manual ... |
| 14:54:13 | Paul123 | alright. |
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| 15:00:04 | Lear | n1s: Thought I volatiled all asm in pcf, but that wasn't enough... |
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| 15:03:24 | wraith | hello |
| 15:04:55 | n1s | Lear: what happends? |
| 15:04:57 | markun | hi wraith |
| 15:05:57 | n1s | Lear: hmm, the h100 doesn't have that chip so no wonder :-) |
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| 15:06:10 | Lear | Same as you, freeze immediately. Yes, realized that. :) |
| 15:08:41 | n1s | with hout that change I din't get the freeze just no buttons/batterylevel/rtc |
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| 15:08:49 | Lear | Ah, hadn't re-linked with 2.17, that could explain a thing or two... :) |
| 15:11:51 | maddler | evening all... |
| 15:12:10 | wraith | do i have to configure anything for my rockboxed nano to play .wma? |
| 15:12:26 | Lear | Works now. Didn't go for -Os on Tremor though, just removed some icode stuff. |
| 15:12:46 | bluebrother | wraith: no |
| 15:12:58 | bluebrother | just keep in mind that wma doesn't support seeking yet. |
| 15:15:42 | Buschel | jhMikeS: you there? |
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| 15:18:26 | Paul123 | ive read through the manual, now im a little bit more upto speed |
| 15:18:42 | Paul123 | when your installing new themes, where to you put the font files? |
| 15:18:51 | wraith | doesn't seem to want to play .wma files at all |
| 15:19:09 | BigBambi | wraith: and how old is your build? |
| 15:19:26 | Soap | Paul123: when installing new themes, the theme should be packaged in such a way that if you simply extract the .zip file to the root of your player's directory - all files will go to the right place. |
| 15:19:28 | Febs | And are the .wma files DRM protected? |
| 15:19:36 | wraith | was sure i got the latest |
| 15:19:40 | BigBambi | when? |
| 15:19:53 | wraith | few days ago |
| 15:20:05 | wraith | they're ripped from cds through windows media so they could be |
| 15:20:09 | BigBambi | Rockbox is updated many times a day, but wma should still work a few days ago |
| 15:20:35 | Soap | Paul123: The same thing /should/ be true of anything you add to your player. "Anything" meaning fonts package, themes / WPSs, updated builds. You'll have to place your Doom and Pacman binaries yourself, as well as your music. |
| 15:20:36 | BigBambi | In this case, if they don't work I'm guessing drm, but in future please try with latest current build first |
| 15:20:58 | Febs | Windows Media Player has an option to include DRM in ripped files. In at least one version of WMP, that option was enabled by default. Make sure it's turned off. |
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| 15:21:36 | BigBambi | And if you are reripping, use a better format :) |
| 15:23:02 | Paul123 | ugh im doing all that im supposed to, and it still isn't working. |
| 15:23:09 | Paul123 | trial and error i guess. |
| 15:24:44 | Lear | n1s: Ogg and gcc 4.3 don't go well together (don't know if the lack of icode is the main reason though), mp3 is about the same, and m4a is _much_ faster - unless I did something wrong... |
| 15:25:15 | n1s | Lear: what kind of speed do you get for ogg? |
| 15:26:37 | Lear | About 20% slower. |
| 15:27:25 | n1s | outch, is that with test_codec or boost ratio? |
| 15:27:57 | Lear | test_codec |
| 15:28:48 | Lear | So, for a fairly low bitrate file, speed went from 319 to 248 %. |
| 15:29:24 | n1s | I noticed the other day that -Os makes test_codec a bit slower it gives me about 300% realtime on a file that gets 325% when using -O I haven't investigated further (and this was with 3.4.6) |
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| 15:45:48 | n1s | ok, -O or -Os doesn't seem to make a difference for test_codec with gcc4.3 |
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| 15:53:22 | maploin | why is there no mention of the iriver x20 on the site? can i hope for a port in the near future? should i make a request somewhere? |
| 15:53:34 | bluebrother | because it's not supported. |
| 15:53:48 | JdGordon | and no you shouldnt |
| 15:53:57 | bluebrother | ports don't get planned. They happen when someone interested steps up doing the work. |
| 15:54:06 | bluebrother | see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPorts |
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| 15:56:42 | markun | linuxstb: was anyone planning to port the cook codec? :) |
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| 16:04:41 | maploin | is there a "getting started" guide for writing a new port of rockbox? |
| 16:05:15 | markun | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
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| 16:05:42 | maploin | thanks you |
| 16:06:07 | markun | maploin: first things to do is to identify all the components |
| 16:06:47 | markun | also collecting some firmware updates is a good thing, but for iriver we already know a site with a lot of updates |
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| 16:08:11 | maploin | markun, which site is that? |
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| 16:22:11 | Triple-z | i think im kinda stuck with my sansa e250 and rockbox cuse i cant load the OF.. |
| 16:22:18 | Triple-z | it writes something like that: cant find /system/OF.bin bootloader faild to load |
| 16:22:25 | Triple-z | rockbox does load tho |
| 16:24:21 | Triple-z | what can i do? |
| 16:24:34 | Triple-z | i cant use the usb now |
| 16:24:54 | n1s | Triple-z: how did you install? |
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| 16:27:03 | Triple-z | hmm ok i think i know my problem |
| 16:27:21 | Triple-z | i didnt put OF.bin in the system folder of my sansa |
| 16:27:30 | n1s | That shouldn't have happened if you followed the instructions, but anyway take a look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 16:30:05 | Triple-z | thx man |
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| 16:35:30 | kfazz | has anyone seen this patch before? http://ja.pastebin.ca/638960 |
| 16:35:37 | kfazz | i accidently found it through google |
| 16:36:52 | kfazz | i couldn't find it on the tracker |
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| 17:04:12 | ShadowCode | hi all I have a Q. |
| 17:04:54 | ShadowCode | I have a RockChip Player and I want to instal RockBox on it |
| 17:05:12 | ShadowCode | but I dont know is it support it |
| 17:05:42 | Llorean | No, the only players supported are those listed as supported at the website. |
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| 17:07:23 | ShadowCode | why ? |
| 17:07:32 | bluebrother | because nobody ported it. |
| 17:07:43 | ShadowCode | is it a hardware thing ? or are not tested |
| 17:07:53 | Llorean | People have to take the software and convert it. |
| 17:07:59 | bluebrother | it's a nobody-did-it-thing |
| 17:08:30 | ShadowCode | and where cen I get info on the converting process |
| 17:08:44 | bluebrother | feel free to start working on it but be aware that this is a lot of work |
| 17:08:44 | Llorean | ShadowCode: It's not a specific process. |
| 17:08:50 | ShadowCode | i cen code in C++ and some other languages |
| 17:08:52 | bluebrother | see http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPorts |
| 17:09:02 | bluebrother | Rockbox is C, with some parts in asm. |
| 17:09:11 | ShadowCode | np |
| 17:09:35 | bluebrother | and there is no dynamic memory. |
| 17:10:07 | ShadowCode | and theoretically is it posible to d oa Port on a RockChip player ? |
| 17:10:45 | Llorean | As long as you can figure out how to get your own code to run on a player, a port is theoretically possible, though what Rockbox will be able to do depends on CPU speed and other hardware constraints. |
| 17:11:31 | GodEater_ | what arch is Rockchip ? |
| 17:11:48 | ShadowCode | arch ? |
| 17:11:52 | bluebrother | architecture. |
| 17:12:06 | GodEater_ | ARM? ColdFire? Something else ? |
| 17:12:11 | ShadowCode | I dont know that is the big problem |
| 17:12:29 | bluebrother | then you need to find out ;) |
| 17:12:38 | ShadowCode | if you cen help me to find the arch ? |
| 17:12:47 | bluebrother | have you disassembled the player? |
| 17:12:57 | ShadowCode | cen you recomend a tool or a tech ? |
| 17:13:01 | ShadowCode | yes |
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| 17:13:03 | GodEater_ | screwdriver ? |
| 17:13:07 | ShadowCode | no |
| 17:13:17 | * | bluebrother suggests a screwdriver as initial tool |
| 17:13:41 | jbit | "A plethora of MP3 and MP4 players coming from China starting in 2006 utilize the video processing system-on-a-chip 'Rockchip'. " |
| 17:13:41 | ShadowCode | http://i.dir.bg/shop_storage/shop_xml/add/2007/04/01/t_6197484.jpg |
| 17:13:50 | ShadowCode | look the pic |
| 17:14:03 | ShadowCode | this is the palyer Diva fx-62 |
| 17:14:09 | GodEater_ | what's that supposed to tell us ? |
| 17:14:45 | ShadowCode | the whay it is opened :D |
| 17:14:49 | bluebrother | it tells in fact nothing useful. |
| 17:14:51 | GodEater_ | we need hi-res pictures of the inside |
| 17:15:00 | ShadowCode | ok I see a Samsung flash chip |
| 17:15:10 | ShadowCode | and a RockChip processor |
| 17:15:30 | ShadowCode | and one other chip NAND |
| 17:15:38 | ShadowCode | sr |
| 17:15:42 | ShadowCode | sry |
| 17:17:04 | ShadowCode | http://www.get.bg/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=20326 |
| 17:17:39 | ShadowCode | this is the best pic I cen find on the net I cen make some whit the web cam but the res is low |
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| 17:17:59 | ShadowCode | so cen you tell me for what to look on the board |
| 17:18:04 | ShadowCode | af the player ? |
| 17:18:21 | bluebrother | we need images of the inside of the player, i.e. the PCB. The housing is completely unhelpful |
| 17:19:12 | jbit | http://www.rock-chips.com/ShowNews.asp?ID=76&page=1 |
| 17:19:26 | jbit | seems they don't want to disclose the processor architecture, or it's custom |
| 17:19:30 | ShadowCode | k I am going to make some pics and upload them |
| 17:20:10 | Llorean | I've heard of "Rockchip" being referenced as the architecture of a chip, so it may be cusotm |
| 17:20:12 | Llorean | custom |
| 17:20:35 | bluebrother | also, can the player upgrade its firmware? |
| 17:20:36 | jbit | well "portalplayer" is referenced as being the architecture of the chip in hte ipod/etc |
| 17:20:43 | bluebrother | hmm, DSP core :/ |
| 17:21:12 | jbit | but yeah, the "dsp core" thing makes me think it's some custom random arch |
| 17:21:23 | jbit | usually they say "32-bit RISC core" or so when they mean arm :) |
| 17:21:42 | ShadowCode | the player cen multytask |
| 17:21:49 | ShadowCode | if this helps |
| 17:21:54 | jbit | aparently a rk26xx can play flac and ape |
| 17:22:01 | jbit | and ogg |
| 17:22:11 | ShadowCode | rk2608 |
| 17:22:15 | ShadowCode | is the processor |
| 17:22:36 | ShadowCode | the firmware cent play this formats |
| 17:22:47 | bluebrother | so the next question is: is it a known architecture? And is there a gcc supporting that arch? |
| 17:23:00 | GodEater_ | if it's a custom arch, that's very doubtful |
| 17:23:15 | ShadowCode | i dont know the arch |
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| 17:23:45 | bluebrother | is there a possibility to upgrade the players firmware? |
| 17:24:09 | bluebrother | if not it will most likely be hard if not impossible to run custom code (well, without hardware mods) |
| 17:24:23 | GodEater_ | ShadowCode: if there is no gcc support for it, then there's virtually no hope of Rockbox ever running on it |
| 17:24:32 | jbit | bluebrother: i've seen firmware images for them laying around |
| 17:24:33 | ShadowCode | yes |
| 17:25:38 | ShadowCode | the palyer cen upgrade firmware |
| 17:26:13 | GodEater_ | ShadowCode: do you have such an upgrade? |
| 17:26:29 | ShadowCode | yes |
| 17:26:50 | GodEater_ | what form does it take ? |
| 17:26:55 | ShadowCode | I eaven modifyed the skins of the firmware |
| 17:28:04 | ShadowCode | it is a rfw format |
| 17:28:15 | bluebrother | never heard of that. |
| 17:28:40 | ShadowCode | all rockchip players are useing it ? |
| 17:29:20 | * | jbit hazards a guess it means "rock firmware" :) |
| 17:29:28 | jbit | or "rockchip firmware" :) |
| 17:29:46 | ShadowCode | yes |
| 17:30:02 | ShadowCode | the S1 players are using rw |
| 17:33:09 | ShadowCode | I found this |
| 17:33:24 | ShadowCode | Chinese DAP (either the 2606A or the 2608A). on the forum |
| 17:33:36 | ShadowCode | my is 2608A |
| 17:36:01 | jbit | sounds like the core could be omap-stylee |
| 17:36:08 | ShadowCode | yes |
| 17:36:31 | ShadowCode | I found omap on the board |
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| 17:36:50 | ShadowCode | some ware |
| 17:37:12 | jbit | wow there's a data sheet in that thread |
| 17:37:18 | * | jbit checks it out since it looks like a fun chip |
| 17:37:22 | ShadowCode | hah |
| 17:37:43 | ShadowCode | I meen on one of the chips |
| 17:38:06 | ShadowCode | I have one chip whit NAND |
| 17:38:23 | ShadowCode | one OMAP something |
| 17:38:37 | ShadowCode | and the CPU and the Samsung flash |
| 17:39:00 | ShadowCode | my english sucks sry |
| 17:40:03 | jbit | looks liek a custom core |
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| 17:43:04 | ShadowCode | http://admin.gestogospel.sk/datasheets/Rock26XX-datasheet.pdf look this it may help |
| 17:43:14 | jbit | yeah i just checked it out |
| 17:43:44 | jbit | the instruction set isn't arm or mips or powerpc (these instruction sets i recognise easily) |
| 17:44:01 | jbit | i guess it could be some arch i don't know, but it soudns custom to me |
| 17:44:19 | jbit | looks RISC though |
| 17:44:34 | Nico_P | looks like there is spam on the ML |
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| 17:47:42 | ShadowCode | ok on the datasheet are some example software |
| 17:47:45 | ShadowCode | in asm |
| 17:48:03 | ShadowCode | cen I start from ther |
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| 18:06:58 | bick | Is it possible to swap stereo channels via sound settings? I haven't found the option. Has it already been discussed? |
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| 18:11:05 | n1s | bick: I think we agreed that it is a pretty useless option |
| 18:12:04 | bick | n1s: with the solution being just swap the phones? |
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| 18:12:51 | n1s | indeed |
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| 18:14:36 | bick | n1s: but when the mechanics is so that it's not possible / hard to do it? |
| 18:15:10 | n1s | bick: why do you need to swap the channels anyway? |
| 18:16:14 | bick | n1s: because I've got a song with swapped channels. Of course, I can swap them on PC but sometimes it's not at hand. |
| 18:16:41 | Soap | how does a song get ripped with swapped channels unless it is an analogue rip? |
| 18:16:59 | bick | But I don't need it very often. Just thought that it shouldn't be hard to implement. |
| 18:17:27 | bick | Soap: I dont' know. I've got it from a friend. |
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| 18:23:16 | bick | Why does sansa only have the option of recording at 22,5 khz? Is it due to the hardware? |
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| 19:03:03 | sbeh | Hi, is it possible to jump (eg) 30sec forward in a song? |
| 19:05:04 | bagawk | sbeh: do not believe so |
| 19:05:33 | bagawk | sbeh: if it is something you think is worth having, post a feature request |
| 19:07:53 | sbeh | it would be a nice feature, if you listing alot to podcasts for example |
| 19:08:12 | bluebrother | there is accelerated seeking ... |
| 19:09:28 | sbeh | which keys on sansa? |
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| 19:12:12 | bluebrother | no keys. Seeking automatically accellerates. |
| 19:12:23 | bluebrother | there is a setting to control how fast it accellerates. |
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| 19:15:06 | |Marco| | sorry, I just want to sure if I've got a e2x0 or a e2x0R, the print on the players casing says e270 but, is it visualy identifiable or is it in sw somewhere ? |
| 19:15:50 | |Marco| | gah, it's Sandisk Sansa e270 |
| 19:16:11 | bluebrother | you can run sansapatcher. If it's a r200r it won't get detected. |
| 19:16:32 | webguest41 | hi guys . . . i'm having a lot of trouble activating the rating function - - i'm activating "gather runtine information" but still i dont have the option of giving .mp3s ratings while listening to them |
| 19:16:50 | webguest41 | im on a 1st generation ipod nano |
| 19:16:51 | bluebrother | it's in the context menu of the wps |
| 19:17:18 | |Marco| | bluebrother: okay, thank you |
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| 19:25:23 | webguest41 | anybody? |
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| 19:57:02 | |Marco| | ah, nice, yet another device I own with linux |
| 19:57:48 | shng9w | hello. i have the rockbox installed on my x5 (iaudio) | during random playback, if i skip a song, it takes forever to load the second song |
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| 20:04:52 | ShadowCode | is OLED in Video Driver: Support TFT LCD/ OLED Interface |
| 20:05:00 | ShadowCode | an OrganicLED |
| 20:05:12 | ShadowCode | ? |
| 20:10:08 | maxkelley | yes. |
| 20:10:17 | maxkelley | an Organic LED display. |
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| 20:11:50 | n1s | |Marco|: btw, rockbox is _not_ linux |
| 20:12:47 | |Marco| | gah, of course |
| 20:13:04 | |Marco| | well, at least it's GPL |
| 20:17:09 | ShadowCode | and DSP-based Software is ? |
| 20:20:06 | ShadowCode | what is DSP ? |
| 20:20:18 | bluebrother | Digital Signal Processor |
| 20:21:50 | ShadowCode | tnx |
| 20:26:03 | |Marco| | in any case, there is a lot more freedom on it now, so I'm happy :) |
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| 20:35:26 | ShadowCode | Cen anyone tell me from where to start whit the porting of RockBox on RockChip Players based on 260X A CPU's |
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| 20:37:12 | ShadowCode | ??? |
| 20:37:42 | krazykit | ShadowCode, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
| 20:42:16 | ShadowCode | I have a Q the Firmware on RockChip Players is on a difrent chip not on the same as the flash memory ? |
| 20:42:27 | ShadowCode | and is it so on other players ? |
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| 20:43:51 | oranges2 | Sorry to ask a stupid question |
| 20:44:02 | oranges2 | But RockBox will work with any 5g or 5.5g Video iPod correct? |
| 20:44:12 | Domonoky | yes |
| 20:44:31 | oranges2 | Just wanted to make sure before I bought one |
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| 20:45:37 | * | bluebrother points to http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodFAQ |
| 20:45:53 | oranges2 | I read most of it. |
| 20:46:01 | bluebrother | nice. |
| 20:46:10 | oranges2 | Just wanted to make sure there weren't any recent changes in the hardware or something |
| 20:46:16 | oranges2 | :] |
| 20:46:29 | bluebrother | not in the hardware that is already released ;) |
| 20:46:44 | bluebrother | the new Ipods are different though. |
| 20:46:54 | oranges2 | I spent alot of time in the PSP dev scene |
| 20:47:02 | oranges2 | And Sony likes to slip out new motherboards without telling anyone |
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| 20:47:22 | oranges2 | its good to know its not similiar with Apple |
| 20:47:45 | ShadowCode | JTAG Emulators are 25K+ |
| 20:47:49 | bluebrother | well, I never heard of such a thing regarding players supported by Rockbox. |
| 20:47:53 | linuxstb_ | Well, Apple do change the hardware about every 12 months but they have the courtesy to rename things... |
| 20:48:08 | ShadowCode | is it true ? |
| 20:48:09 | bluebrother | ShadowCode: for that Rockchip? |
| 20:48:19 | ShadowCode | yes haha |
| 20:48:34 | bluebrother | wow, that is expensive. |
| 20:48:42 | ShadowCode | I am traing to port the RockBox |
| 20:49:09 | oranges2 | Port it to what? |
| 20:49:14 | ShadowCode | I dont think i cen get this |
| 20:49:23 | ShadowCode | haha |
| 20:50:56 | amiconn | rrrr |
| 20:51:11 | amiconn | My commit didn't trigger a rebuild :( |
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| 20:52:55 | jbit | you don't need a full jtag setup to use jtag though |
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| 20:53:08 | jbit | you can make a jtag adapter for about $20 |
| 20:53:20 | bluebrother | depends on the cpu. |
| 20:53:33 | jbit | not really |
| 20:53:48 | oranges2 | The remotes don't work with RockBox? :[ |
| 20:54:18 | bluebrother | some cpus require a strict timing which is almost impossible to reach with cheap cabled. |
| 20:54:22 | bluebrother | *cables. |
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| 20:54:47 | jbit | bluebrother: true, but they're usually pretty rare (from my experience) |
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| 20:54:52 | linuxstb_ | oranges2: Rockbox works with lots of remotes - which device are you talking about? |
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| 20:55:09 | oranges2 | The iPod |
| 20:55:16 | oranges2 | 5/.5g |
| 20:55:29 | linuxstb_ | Then no, Rockbox doesn't support ipod accessories. |
| 20:55:36 | bluebrother | jbit: IIRC the coldfire is one of them ... |
| 20:57:20 | jbit | i did some work on a coldfire dev board a few years ago (for evaluation) and i'm pretty sure i used a normal cheap jtag adapter, i may be mistaken though. (I certainly don't remember anything weird about it) |
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| 20:57:47 | jbit | maybe the dev board had extra jtag stuff on it to compensate for weird timinig requirements though |
| 20:58:20 | bluebrother | I guess this also depends on which chip exactly you are using ;) |
| 20:58:26 | jbit | true :P |
| 20:58:44 | bluebrother | and having a real JTAG is much nicer than those wigglers. |
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| 20:59:08 | jbit | but anyway... i htink i'd at least try with a cheap adapter rather than wasting money on real hardware that you might not need |
| 20:59:13 | jbit | bluebrother: well obviously :) |
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| 20:59:40 | bluebrother | but yes, trying a cheap adapter shouldn't hurt. |
| 20:59:50 | jbit | but for most simple dev work you jsut want jtag for writing to flash and reseting devics that have got into weird modes and stuff |
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| 21:00:34 | jbit | its only when you get into the serious want-to-boundry-scan, need to debug certain registers at run time, etc situations where a real jtag adapter pays off :) |
| 21:00:34 | ShadowCode | i reset flash whit a paperclip |
| 21:00:36 | ShadowCode | haha |
| 21:00:43 | ShadowCode | for free |
| 21:00:46 | ShadowCode | :D |
| 21:01:48 | bluebrother | well, my AVR Dragon already paid off, even if I didn't got time to do too much programming with it. |
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| 21:02:07 | bluebrother | but that adapter was cheap. Compared to the usual prices ;) |
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| 21:03:25 | jbit | :) |
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| 21:06:49 | chrisjs169|winxp | is the rockbox site down? |
| 21:07:06 | webmind | nope |
| 21:07:10 | webmind | works here |
| 21:07:24 | * | chrisjs169|winxp wonders if I'm using VZ dns servers then |
| 21:07:34 | bluebrother | doesn't load for me too. |
| 21:08:00 | chrisjs169|winxp | using OpenDNS DNS servers, so I can't blame Verizon |
| 21:08:06 | bluebrother | ah, now it did. |
| 21:08:34 | oranges2 | I'm on OpenDNS and it works fine |
| 21:09:03 | chrisjs169|winxp | works fine now |
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| 21:22:06 | oskie | i'm trying to figure out if the sandisk sansa e2x0 rockbox port supports FLAC -8? |
| 21:26:55 | n1s | oskie: yes it does |
| 21:27:56 | oskie | nice.. the sansa e280 looks like a good bet for gapless flac through rockbox.. |
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| 21:38:55 | Terinjokes | hrm... and this is why I still have a 1G iPod Nano... no weird "Apple's Locking Us Out" problems |
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| 21:47:42 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Around? |
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| 21:55:00 | * | fxb updated http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/ |
| 21:55:11 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: (for the logs) Can you put the contents of http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher-0.3.zip at http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/ (maybe creating an ARCHIVE/OLD folder if you wish) |
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| 21:57:10 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Also, can you put http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/pp5022.mi4 in the e200R directory? |
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| 21:58:37 | |Marco| | Rockbox's music player CAN play aac(m4a) and flac, right ? |
| 21:58:57 | n1s | yup |
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| 21:59:49 | |Marco| | okay, how do you get the database to update after adding files etc ? |
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| 22:00:01 | n1s | by looking in the manual |
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| 22:12:48 | oranges2 | So what do you think the best RockBox player is? |
| 22:13:34 | Domonoky | oranges2: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 22:13:36 | bluebrother | depends on what you want. |
| 22:14:16 | oranges2 | o-o |
| 22:14:28 | oranges2 | iPod Video only has 8 hours life on RockBox? |
| 22:14:54 | Llorean | Until someone solves what's draining the power, yep. |
| 22:15:13 | tumu | rockbox is moar powerful |
| 22:15:28 | oranges2 | Doesn't it have like 20 hours normally? |
| 22:15:37 | Llorean | It really doesn't have anything to do with Rockbox's extra features. |
| 22:15:42 | Llorean | oranges2: 14-16 I think. |
| 22:15:45 | bluebrother | "normally" depends on the player and its battery. |
| 22:16:06 | oranges2 | Normaller = generally |
| 22:16:09 | oranges2 | *normally |
| 22:16:22 | bluebrother | still depends on the players battery ... |
| 22:16:36 | oranges2 | I wouldn't think it would vary too much |
| 22:16:39 | oranges2 | Unless you got a bad battery |
| 22:16:51 | Llorean | oranges2: Yes, but the 20 hours is the number Apple quotes, maybe? |
| 22:16:56 | Llorean | I think that page is wrong though |
| 22:16:59 | bluebrother | well, it varies between the player types. |
| 22:17:03 | Llorean | A lot of people seem to get 10-12 with Rockbox on the Video. |
| 22:17:25 | bluebrother | the h100 series has a completely different battery (and thus runtime) than f.e. the m5 |
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| 22:17:38 | oranges2 | <oranges2> iPod Video only has 8 hours life on RockBox? |
| 22:17:39 | bluebrother | the x5 is available with a larger battery as x5l ... |
| 22:17:55 | oranges2 | I was referring specifically to the iPod Video |
| 22:18:15 | AceNik | guys is there a page givin svn revision numbers to each commit |
| 22:18:15 | bluebrother | ah. |
| 22:18:21 | Llorean | oranges2: One key is that I don't believe *anybody* has done proper testing with an iPod video. |
| 22:18:32 | oranges2 | really? |
| 22:18:37 | Llorean | By "proper" I mean "Running the same playlist in both firmwares with no sound features enabled, and comparing runtime" |
| 22:18:44 | oranges2 | Hmm. |
| 22:18:46 | linuxstb_ | AceNik: If you hover over the links on the changelogs, you'll see the revision number. |
| 22:18:51 | Llorean | People get between 8-12 hours in 5G iPods though |
| 22:19:42 | oranges2 | Well I was wondering if I could get some opinions |
| 22:19:52 | oranges2 | On which player you personally prefer for rockbox |
| 22:19:59 | ShadowCode | 5G iPod is 400$ and a RockChip Player is 50$ :D |
| 22:20:08 | AceNik | linuxstb: thanks starting to test out the point where bugs started int he h10 |
| 22:20:16 | oranges2 | 400? |
| 22:20:31 | oranges2 | I was just about to go out and get a 5G iPod for 250 from Best Buy |
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| 22:20:44 | oranges2 | 80gb |
| 22:21:06 | linuxstb_ | oranges2: I own both a 5g and a Gigabeat F, and since I bought the gigabeat I haven't touched the ipod. |
| 22:22:15 | oranges2 | Why? |
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| 22:22:45 | DavidGWRawson | Hello |
| 22:22:57 | AceNik | how do i update to a previous revision "svn update -rXXXXX" or is it somethin else? |
| 22:23:15 | linuxstb_ | It's just generally nicer - faster CPU, more buttons, normal USB socket. |
| 22:23:31 | oranges2 | Hmm |
| 22:24:07 | DavidGWRawson | Why don't they give us the source instead of the .patch or .diff files. Wouldn't it be easier? |
| 22:24:19 | ShadowCode | in Bulgaria I cent buy Gigabeat only from ebay |
| 22:24:24 | linuxstb_ | oranges2: But as you were told when you first asked the question - the "best" rockbox target heavily depends on what you want to do with it. |
| 22:25:14 | oranges2 | Thats the thing |
| 22:25:26 | oranges2 | I'm pretty new to this whole RockBox scene |
| 22:25:39 | oranges2 | So I was wondering what you all considered important in your purchase |
| 22:25:56 | bluebrother | Rockbox compatibility ;) |
| 22:26:03 | DavidGWRawson | Yea! |
| 22:26:04 | oranges2 | Aside from that :] |
| 22:26:15 | DavidGWRawson | Features that rockbox can use? |
| 22:26:26 | DavidGWRawson | Like an fm radio or mic |
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| 22:27:51 | linuxstb_ | oranges:2: Why do you want a DAP? What kind of music (and how many GB worth) do you have? Do you want radio, recording, colour LCD, flash or hard disk, remote control, video playback, .... |
| 22:28:25 | eigma | AceNik: that's it |
| 22:29:02 | eigma | AceNik: "update" can be abbreviated "up": "svn up -rX" |
| 22:29:03 | DavidGWRawson | If your device has no video playback abilities, and you get rockbox, can it play video? |
| 22:29:26 | AceNik | eigma: thanks i tried it, cool thanks for the shortform |
| 22:29:28 | DavidGWRawson | Keeping in mind that the screen is large enough. |
| 22:29:44 | oranges2 | DavidGWRawson: I know the 1g Nano can |
| 22:29:52 | linuxstb_ | DavidGWRawson: Yes, and in some cases (like the ipod video), the reverse... (well, Rockbox does play video on the ipod video but very poorly). |
| 22:29:56 | AceNik | eigma: to revert to the recent version i jus do a simple svn up riht |
| 22:30:00 | lazka | DavidGWRawson: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 22:30:21 | DavidGWRawson | How do you remember these links? |
| 22:30:29 | oranges2 | Well I of course prefer flash |
| 22:30:37 | eigma | DavidGWRawson: it most likely heavily depends on the hardware: if the main CPU is powerful enough, yes. otherwise, if Rockbox has special code for the coprocessor (like a DSP), then yes. otherwise, probably not |
| 22:30:38 | oranges2 | But 80gb for 250 is too hard to pass up |
| 22:30:40 | AceNik | eigma: can i exclude a particular directory from any updates or reverts ? |
| 22:30:44 | bluebrother | of course ...? |
| 22:30:54 | oranges2 | Why wouldn't you? |
| 22:30:56 | oranges2 | Aside from price |
| 22:31:06 | * | bluebrother still prefers hdd players |
| 22:31:11 | oranges2 | Why? |
| 22:31:21 | bluebrother | it's not flash :) |
| 22:31:28 | oranges2 | =/ |
| 22:31:33 | eigma | AceNik: the only thing I can think of is svn -N, which does the update non-recursively. |
| 22:31:58 | DavidGWRawson | If you drop a HDD player too hard, the hard drive's MECHANICAL parts get messed up. Flash is a solid piece of storage. |
| 22:32:08 | oranges2 | Flash is also faster |
| 22:32:21 | bluebrother | flash chips wear out. |
| 22:32:23 | oranges2 | And smaller |
| 22:32:28 | eigma | AceNik: so you could update "-N .", "-N ./parent", "parent/child1", and "parent/child2" but not parent/child3 |
| 22:32:30 | AceNik | eigma: what do you eman by that ? |
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| 22:32:42 | oranges2 | bluebrother: After an incredibly long time |
| 22:32:47 | Domonoky | but flash doesnt hold enough space... :-) |
| 22:32:55 | bluebrother | well, I had broken flash memory before |
| 22:33:00 | AceNik | ok |
| 22:33:07 | oranges2 | Thats why I'm probably getting a hd player Domonoky |
| 22:33:13 | eigma | AceNik: ahh, it's kinda awkward. what are you really trying to do? |
| 22:33:13 | bluebrother | thumb drive that died after a bunch of months etc. |
| 22:33:14 | oranges2 | The price to space ratio is much better |
| 22:33:16 | AceNik | eigma: so i can choose which directories i would like to update |
| 22:33:33 | DavidGWRawson | Alot of times, static is the cause of broken flash memory. |
| 22:33:56 | oranges2 | I wouldn't compare a mp3 player to a thumb drive |
| 22:34:05 | oranges2 | While they may offer the same storage medium |
| 22:34:08 | AceNik | eigma: h10[20GB] was kind of messed up somewhere in between trying to figure that out , but most of the updates refer to rbutil so trying to avoid uupdating n revrting that directory at all |
| 22:34:10 | eigma | you could "svn up -rXXXXX ." and "svn up -rYYYYY ./special/directory", where YYYYY < XXXXX |
| 22:34:11 | bluebrother | well, in any case I have a broken player when the flash chip breaks. |
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| 22:34:31 | DavidGWRawson | Reformat your player? |
| 22:34:33 | bluebrother | you can svn up folder1 folder2 ... |
| 22:34:43 | bluebrother | if the chip itself is broken reformatting won't help |
| 22:35:13 | oranges2 | I've never heard of an mp3 flash storage dying from normal use |
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| 22:35:43 | bluebrother | well, perhaps I'm not a normal user then. |
| 22:36:06 | eigma | AceNik: from rockbox: svn up; svn up -rLAST_KNOWN_GOOD_RBUTIL_REV rbutil |
| 22:36:24 | DavidGWRawson | If you format your player to NTFS, it screws it up big time. You have to format it within the player. |
| 22:36:26 | eigma | AceNik: but really, if there are problems with rbutil, you should submit a bug report |
| 22:36:44 | AceNik | eigma: ther are no problem with rbutil |
| 22:36:55 | bluebrother | what has rbutil to do with the h10 build having issues? |
| 22:37:07 | AceNik | ya thats what |
| 22:37:08 | eigma | I'm pretty confused |
| 22:37:13 | DavidGWRawson | Would a rockboy advanced be practical? |
| 22:37:15 | eigma | rbutil doesn't build? |
| 22:37:32 | oranges2 | No DavidGWRawson |
| 22:37:42 | AceNik | eigma: sorry for the confusion, h10 builds messed up somewhere , no rbutil only installs the builds by downloading them |
| 22:37:53 | bluebrother | rbutil works fine here. And as it always gets the official builds it has nothing to do with an official build having problems. |
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| 22:38:00 | AceNik | eigma: im trying to fiure out where the problem started |
| 22:38:15 | eigma | AceNik: okay. have I helped you enough to do that? |
| 22:38:41 | DavidGWRawson | A genesis for rockbox could be practical, for those games that only need one button, like sonic. |
| 22:38:46 | AceNik | eigma:thanks |
| 22:38:50 | eigma | cool! |
| 22:39:58 | AceNik | uys is compilin on ubuntu in vmware faster? |
| 22:40:20 | bluebrother | compared to what? |
| 22:40:22 | jbit | faster than what? |
| 22:40:25 | AceNik | eigma: can you recieve my messages in private? |
| 22:40:29 | jbit | bluebrother: ugh, beat me :) |
| 22:40:32 | AceNik | bluebrother: XP |
| 22:40:40 | eigma | AceNik: yes |
| 22:40:50 | jbit | because XP has rediulcous process creation and file i/o overhead |
| 22:41:15 | bluebrother | cygwin is the slowest solution. But I doubt ubuntu being faster than any other linux distro |
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| 22:41:47 | AceNik | blubrother: in ubuntu do we need vmware for building? |
| 22:42:07 | bluebrother | errr ... what? |
| 22:42:14 | bluebrother | you need a compiler for building. |
| 22:42:41 | linuxstb_ | AceNik: vmware is a way to run Linux on Windows. |
| 22:42:41 | bluebrother | and you can build gcc on any linux distro. You just might need to do it yourself |
| 22:42:44 | eigma | AceNik: no. vmware is only required for when your computer runs something other than Linux. ubuntu is a flavour of Linux |
| 22:43:00 | * | bluebrother suggests reading the page title of www.vmware.com |
| 22:43:04 | eigma | :) |
| 22:43:24 | eigma | in AceNik's case, I would recommend downloading a pre-built toolchain (rockbox has those, right?) |
| 22:43:29 | AceNik | ok so basically compilin rockbox will be fatser than usin vmware on XP, in ubuntu ? |
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| 22:43:47 | linuxstb_ | eigma: No, we have the "rockboxdev.sh" script which does the download and building. |
| 22:44:13 | eigma | not if your XP is a 3 GHz and your Ubuntu is a 1 GHz :) |
| 22:44:29 | oranges2 | Hmm. |
| 22:44:32 | DavidGWRawson | of course, I use ubuntu instead of windows. |
| 22:44:38 | * | bluebrother build the toolchain himself back the days ... |
| 22:44:46 | eigma | linuxstb_: why doesn't Rockbox have a binary toolchain 'ball? |
| 22:44:47 | oranges2 | The more I look into this, the more RockBox seems like a step backwards for the 5g |
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| 22:45:08 | bluebrother | eigma: what would be the advantage of a binary toolchain? |
| 22:45:25 | bluebrother | someone who wants to build should be able building the toolchain too ... |
| 22:45:28 | linuxstb_ | eigma: Why should it? It's easier to maintain one script than many binaries for many distros and CPUs |
| 22:45:59 | eigma | AceNik: most likely any build problems you're seeing are because your build path has spaces in it ("../tools/configure: line 566: cd: /home/Nikkhil: No such file or directory"). |
| 22:46:19 | eigma | AceNik: I believe the scripts state (albeit in the source) that paths with spaces are unsupported |
| 22:46:51 | AceNik | no eigman dont have those problems |
| 22:47:09 | amiconn | Bagder, Zagor: Do you have an idea why the build system sometimes doesn't pick up relevant commits? |
| 22:47:35 | eigma | linuxstb_: requiring new developers to build a toolchain increases the learning curve for something potentially completely unrelated to their field of expertise; although, arguably, it is an intrinsic developer screening process |
| 22:47:54 | linuxstb_ | eigma: You're saying a C programmer doesn't know how to run a script? |
| 22:48:14 | eigma | linuxstb_: I'm saying that the average C programmer doesn't know what to do with a gcc ICE |
| 22:48:29 | linuxstb_ | ICE? |
| 22:48:32 | bluebrother | wasn't there this idea to require students applying for gsoc to setup their own toolchains due to issues this year? ;) |
| 22:48:34 | eigma | Internal Compiler Error |
| 22:48:43 | eigma | I see *many* of those while using crosstool |
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| 22:48:52 | linuxstb_ | Why are we talking about those? And we're not using crosstool. |
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| 22:49:15 | rasher | ICE are fairly rare when building x86 or ppc code |
| 22:49:32 | eigma | fair enough. not trying to change The Ways, just want to be aware of the rationale |
| 22:49:36 | n1s | eigma: our script works very well and is well tested, and applies patches necessary to avoid ICE |
| 22:49:47 | rasher | Besides, we *do* specify specific versions of the compilers, so we know them to work |
| 22:49:47 | bluebrother | building a cross-compiler is really straightforward and I never had real problems doing so |
| 22:50:00 | eigma | bah, maybe I'm just venting because of the ICEs I got while building for ARM |
| 22:50:13 | eigma | not rockbox build.. I wanted gcc 4.1 with C++ |
| 22:50:40 | bluebrother | who wants c++ on uC's anyway? :P |
| 22:50:45 | eigma | rasher: yeah, I think the specific versions are key. |
| 22:50:50 | eigma | bluebrother: any device that runs Opie |
| 22:51:20 | rasher | eigma: Certainly. Especially for sh and m68k which aren't really the greatest gcc ports in existance |
| 22:51:30 | bluebrother | eigma: I wasn't serious ;-) |
| 22:51:33 | rasher | I imagine ARM being slightly better |
| 22:51:56 | eigma | bluebrother: now, if you're talking about C++ on the PIC, that's a completely different story </offtopic> |
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| 22:52:22 | * | bluebrother never liked PICs |
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| 23:03:25 | oranges2 | What do you think of the Sansa e2X0 players? |
| 23:04:01 | AceNik | n1s: you there? |
| 23:04:38 | n1s | Yup |
| 23:05:16 | linuxstb | oranges2: People seem to be happy with them - they have the most features of any flash player supported by Rockbox. |
| 23:05:36 | oranges2 | Also pretty dang cheap |
| 23:05:46 | AceNik | n1s:'do you remember the data_init problem ont he h10, you said the id3.c file hada porblem right |
| 23:06:06 | oranges2 | Is there a comparison chart somewhere between the different sansas in that line? |
| 23:06:22 | Soap | Oranges2 - if you want new a new-in-box Rockbox target, it is about your only choice. oranges2 - If you want a flash player with expansion - and not limited to mp3 and wav - it is your only choice. If you have other desires out of a Rockboxed DAP, there are lots of players better at just about everything the Sansa e200 series does. Not that it is horrible at anything, just not best-in-show. |
| 23:06:22 | n1s | AceNik: yes I remember a "data abort" bug that was in id3.c recently |
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| 23:06:58 | Soap | oranges2: that would be a question for Sansa, not Rockbox. We have a buying guide in the wiki, but it is only about Rockboxable players, not entire product lines. |
| 23:07:24 | AceNik | n1s: so could it be that there could also be a glitch int he playback because of that , & do you remember that revision number of the problem |
| 23:08:04 | oranges2 | Its my only nib Rockbox choice? |
| 23:08:05 | oranges2 | Wha? |
| 23:09:17 | n1s | AceNik: this is where it got introduced http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/id3.c?r1=14454&r2=14594&pathrev=14731 and no I don't think it would cause glitches in playback, a "data abort" is a hard crash, nothing will work after that (until you reset the cpu) |
| 23:10:06 | eigma | n1s: what is a data abort, exactly? |
| 23:10:17 | linuxstb | unaligned memory accesses |
| 23:10:20 | AceNik | n1s: yes i jus compiled 14454 |
| 23:10:41 | AceNik | ok cool there has to be a playback.c messed with after this revisiont hen |
| 23:10:43 | AceNik | then |
| 23:10:50 | ShadowCode | why are people buing players for 100$+ when you cen get Chinies player for 50$ |
| 23:10:57 | eigma | linuxstb: is there any way to force gcc to always generate aligned accesses, or can you just never index a char[] array? |
| 23:11:03 | Bagder | ShadowCode: they can't run rockbox? |
| 23:11:29 | ShadowCode | yes no ports |
| 23:11:40 | bluebrother | because those are cheap chinese copies? |
| 23:11:45 | Bagder | did I win anything? ;-) |
| 23:12:21 | ShadowCode | the Chinese are good to |
| 23:12:38 | AceNik | n1s: new flash −−->14454 works perfect for data_init |
| 23:12:39 | * | bluebrother disagrees |
| 23:12:52 | ShadowCode | and are powerfull so thay cen run RockBox is someone port is |
| 23:12:56 | oranges2 | How can a 2gb player for 20 bucks be bad? |
| 23:12:58 | Bagder | I love a good generalization, but "the Chinese" is... a bit too general for me |
| 23:12:59 | oranges2 | :] |
| 23:13:04 | jbit | some people like stuff that doesn't feel cheap and plasticy :) |
| 23:13:09 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 23:13:17 | oranges2 | I'd coat it in duct tape |
| 23:13:20 | oranges2 | Then noone could tell |
| 23:13:36 | ShadowCode | I red that the iPod CPU is 75Mhz and the RockChip is 100Mhz |
| 23:13:41 | * | Soap gets the same troll from about 50% of the emails directed at him on craigslist.org when selling ipods. |
| 23:13:48 | bluebrother | that doesn't tell much. |
| 23:14:05 | Bagder | ShadowCode: you shouldn't care about such comparisons, they're moot |
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| 23:14:20 | oranges2 | lol moot |
| 23:14:23 | ShadowCode | ok |
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| 23:14:38 | oranges2 | I'd think that a 25Mhz difference actually does make a difference |
| 23:14:39 | eigma | it's what cowts sound like |
| 23:14:59 | jbit | oranges2: um |
| 23:15:04 | jbit | clock speed != performance |
| 23:15:05 | Bagder | oranges2: if everything else is equal, it might yes |
| 23:15:09 | bluebrother | well, if the architecture is different then you can't compare it. |
| 23:15:15 | ShadowCode | the Toshiba is only 20$ more expesive then my RockChip player so if I finde one I am going to buy it |
| 23:15:24 | ShadowCode | the designe is good to :D |
| 23:15:26 | oranges2 | jbit: clock speed has an effect on performance |
| 23:15:26 | Soap | oranges2: there are so many variables in the comparison, not to mention assumptions and fallicies in the statement that it doesn't bear ponderance. |
| 23:15:32 | jbit | oranges2: sure |
| 23:16:03 | jbit | but saying chipX is faster than chipY because it has a slightly faster clcok without comparing hte arch is incredibly stupid |
| 23:16:09 | Bagder | oranges2: it might also just run out of batter faster |
| 23:16:11 | Soap | but only when comparing apples2 to apples2 and oranges2 to oranges2 ;) |
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| 23:16:18 | oranges2 | Ah well |
| 23:16:18 | bluebrother | oranges2: clock speed has an effect on performance. But it's not only clock speed that matters. |
| 23:16:19 | Bagder | battery |
| 23:16:23 | oranges2 | I'm just a nub |
| 23:16:28 | oranges2 | I shouldn't be listened to anyways |
| 23:16:57 | bluebrother | you can compare like a P4 at 1GHz and a P3 at the same frequency. The performance differs |
| 23:16:59 | jbit | also note the ipod has two cpus |
| 23:17:24 | jbit | bluebrother: right, a p3 at 1ghz out performs a p4 at teh same clock :) |
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| 23:18:11 | oranges2 | I feel stupid now :[ |
| 23:21:25 | ShadowCode | haha |
| 23:21:47 | scorche | jbit: 2 cores...not cpus, and rockbox doesnt use both fully atm anyway |
| 23:22:02 | jbit | scorche: ugh, sorry :) |
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| 23:31:36 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Can you update sansapatcher on the download server? |
| 23:31:41 | Bagder | sure |
| 23:32:08 | oranges2 | Is there a e200R tool aailable for Windows? |
| 23:32:15 | oranges2 | *available |
| 23:32:46 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: See the logs at 21:55 today. |
| 23:34:22 | linuxstb_ | oranges2: Not yet. |
| 23:35:22 | Bagder | linuxstb: done! |
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| 23:35:39 | Bagder | the mirrors will be synced within an hour |
| 23:35:50 | linuxstb_ | Thanks. |
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| 23:37:53 | flpwch | When I'm writing a WPS, do i have to do loads for all of the images first, or do i do those on the fly as i make the conditionals for them |
| 23:38:49 | flpwch | As in, would i have my %wd, then my %x loads all at the start? |
| 23:40:15 | AceNik | flpwch: according to me laod them all first , then as n when you want them to be displayed %wd can do that in the conditionals |
| 23:40:26 | flpwch | ok, thanks |
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| 23:45:17 | oranges2 | So the Rhapsody Sansas have some sort of protection on them? |
| 23:46:00 | Bagder | yes, you can call it that |
| 23:46:19 | Bagder | the regular ones have too in fact |
| 23:46:46 | flpwch | Also, when putting in coordinates for images, the coordinate I put in is where the top-left most pixel of the image i'm loading will go, correct? |
| 23:47:08 | oranges2 | KINGOFNOOBS: Sansa got the rockbox team to do their firmware |
| 23:47:09 | flpwch | So, 0|0 would put me at the very top-left |
| 23:47:10 | oranges2 | Is this true? |
| 23:47:27 | oranges2 | KINGOFNOOBS: Yeah its true. They did most of the sansa e200 series firmware |
| 23:47:27 | Bagder | no |
| 23:48:15 | oranges2 | So its not true? |
| 23:48:21 | bluebrother | no it's not. |
| 23:48:39 | Bagder | oranges2: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html |
| 23:49:40 | oranges2 | Thank you |
| 23:50:24 | scorche | Bagder: perhaps an update to that status re: e200r? |
| 23:50:34 | bluebrother | oranges2: please don't state facts you don't know for sure. |
| 23:50:38 | Bagder | a good idea |
| 23:50:50 | oranges2 | I don't know |
| 23:50:53 | oranges2 | Thats why I was asking |
| 23:50:53 | bluebrother | Bagder: btw, there is a typo: Otober. In case you care ;) |
| 23:50:59 | oranges2 | Someone else told me it was true |
| 23:51:15 | * | bluebrother didn't notice that as a question |
| 23:51:16 | oranges2 | And I didn't think it was |
| 23:51:31 | scorche | you think we would have made a firmware like that? =P |
| 23:52:00 | bluebrother | the sansa needs dual-booting because we made the firmware? Sounds unlikely ;) |
| 23:52:10 | oranges2 | So I'll need Linux to flash the bootload on a e2X0R player? |
| 23:52:16 | oranges2 | *bootloader |
| 23:52:40 | bluebrother | yes, currently. |
| 23:53:03 | * | Bagder fixed the spell error and updated it for the e200r status |
| 23:53:04 | oranges2 | Eek |
| 23:55:24 | scorche | Bagder: 3rd of september if you want a date =) |
| 23:55:43 | Bagder | ok ;-) |
| 23:55:57 | bluebrother | hmm, maybe the e200.html page deserves an update with the sansapatcher method? |
| 23:57:05 | oranges2 | hmm |
| 23:57:07 | Bagder | it links to the rockbox wiki, I think that should be good enough? |
| 23:57:20 | oranges2 | I wonder if the Sansa View will support RockBox |
| 23:57:29 | Bagder | oranges2: not by accident, no |
| 23:57:45 | bluebrother | fair enough. |
| 23:57:54 | oranges2 | They should put that under faetures |
| 23:57:59 | oranges2 | "Accidental RockBox support." |
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