00:00:52 | Bagder | it probably has a fancy dsp in there |
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00:04:48 | oranges2 | So is there any difference between the 2X0 and 2X0R, aside from heavier security? |
00:07:26 | Bagder | the R models seem to always have an fm tuner |
00:07:33 | Bagder | the e200 ones come with or without |
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00:09:21 | oranges2 | And the method described in the Wiki is the only way of patching the bootloader? |
00:09:23 | oranges2 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RBootloaderPatching |
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00:15:47 | flpwch | Could anyone explain to me how I would go about coding images for my volume and battery life? |
00:17:01 | n1s | flpwch: take a look at another wps that has those functions and see how it is done? |
00:17:09 | flpwch | yeah i am |
00:17:25 | flpwch | i'm slowly beginning to comprehend. |
00:18:18 | n1s | what you do is generaly making lots of images for different levels and displaying them in a conditional like so %?bl<|%xda|%xdb|%xdc|%xdd> |
00:18:37 | flpwch | yeah thats what i'm understanding |
00:18:44 | flpwch | but i've yet to find a full list of code in the wiki |
00:19:03 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/17/rockbox-on-sansa-view/ <= my take at a summary |
00:19:24 | n1s | flpwch: the CustomWPS page really has all the info there is |
00:19:37 | flpwch | ok, n1s, i'll keep looking around on it |
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00:19:46 | flpwch | i'll have a mudkip-based wps if it kills me |
00:20:22 | oranges2 | And it probably will |
00:20:26 | flpwch | indeed |
00:21:36 | flpwch | And just to make sure, play, pause, and stop images can be layered on one another to show when one is being used, right? |
00:21:50 | flpwch | the wps i'm looking at has play/pause layered, and stop near it. |
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00:54:00 | RoC_MasterMind | has anybody looked at Microsoft's Zune? |
00:54:20 | oranges2 | No |
00:54:28 | oranges2 | I always avert my eyes when one comes near |
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00:54:41 | oranges2 | I hear you'll turn to stone |
00:55:23 | flpwch | i heard it ate a baby last week |
00:55:26 | flpwch | y/n |
00:55:44 | flpwch | like, its usb cable just got up and ate the entire thing |
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00:56:26 | oranges2 | how do you think it got the nutrients to produce such a grotesquely large screen? |
00:56:38 | flpwch | ah |
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01:01:26 | AceNik | jdgordon u here |
01:01:33 | JdGordon | i is |
01:02:06 | AceNik | well there is a bug i found |
01:02:12 | AceNik | please refer |
01:02:25 | AceNik | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7785 |
01:02:33 | AceNik | it been a hell of a timelocating this |
01:02:41 | AceNik | locating |
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01:05:42 | AceNik | i do not know why this confirms to the h10 or it should be affecting other players too, can you please onfirm |
01:05:45 | AceNik | confirm |
01:06:23 | JdGordon | its interesting |
01:07:40 | JdGordon | that doesnt make sense.... text editor doesnt use that part of the code |
01:08:00 | AceNik | JdGordon: well please tell me if its possible, but does it confirm on your player too? |
01:08:19 | JdGordon | just checked on my sansa and it works |
01:08:21 | AceNik | well this is just one bu i thought i had on my player |
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01:08:42 | AceNik | as in the bug works? or exiting the text editor works? |
01:09:11 | JdGordon | as in there is no bug |
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01:10:01 | AceNik | well i got this thin repeatedly |
01:13:38 | AceNik | with the newer builds rockbox get all the more worse nt he h10's it freezes randomly , this bug was just the first one prbably, the latest 1's have a bunch of them workin in unision |
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02:39:44 | Lars_G | Say hi all |
02:39:57 | Lars_G | Question, has anyone here migrated from an iPod to a sansa? |
02:46:34 | drunkenmonkey | Hello |
02:46:47 | * | Lars_G waves |
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02:48:31 | drunkenmonkey | I use Rockbox on my H340, but right now I'm actually trying to figure out Irssi |
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02:53:06 | Lars_G | drunkenmonkey: do you come from an ipod? |
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02:54:00 | drunkenmonkey | no, sorry |
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02:56:01 | Lars_G | thanks |
02:57:11 | krazykit | Lars_G, is that your only question, or is there some comparison you want to know about? |
02:57:33 | Lars_G | krazykit: I am a current iPod user, I use both the OF and rockbox a lot |
02:57:51 | Lars_G | I was dreaming of a new fat nano, but the thing with the changed itunesDb ruins things for me a little |
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02:58:05 | krazykit | and the complete lack of rockbox. |
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02:58:11 | Lars_G | So I'm wondering about moving to an e280 which if I get it right runs rockbox well |
02:58:13 | Lars_G | exactly |
02:58:15 | Ju | Hello ! |
02:58:35 | krazykit | Lars_G, i'm quite happy with my Sansa |
02:58:43 | krazykit | i only use the original firmware to transfer files, though |
02:58:59 | Lars_G | My problem is right now I have a few podcasts I listen to, and those are the reason I still boot the OF and all (to sync the listened count between pod and itunes) |
02:59:28 | Lars_G | My worries here is specifically finding a good program to sync podcasts and music between the ipod and linux AND os x |
02:59:35 | Ju | On the rockbox page I see : "(not the 2nd gen Nano)" but there is a daily build for it, is it safe to try it ? |
02:59:43 | Lars_G | being OS X in the mix I wont be able to use my favorite (amarok) until 2.0 goes stabler |
02:59:55 | krazykit | Ju, rockbox will not run on the 2nd gen nano, period. |
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03:00:06 | Ju | oh ;-/ |
03:00:12 | alienbiker99 | there is no daily build for the 2nd gen nano |
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03:00:25 | Lars_G | My question is, would any of you switchers know of any good sync tool with good podcast support that works in os x? |
03:00:46 | Lars_G | or I guess I'll have to wait for amarok to be stable on 2.0 |
03:00:46 | krazykit | Lars_G, some podcast tool that downloads stuff to a directory + rsync ;-) |
03:01:18 | fxb | alienbiker99: 2nd generation naos aren't supported |
03:01:18 | Lars_G | krazykit: the trouble there is that I leave the ipod on the dock at night, the idea is it syncs by itself and next day early I grab it and listen during commute. |
03:01:28 | alienbiker99 | fxb i never said they were |
03:01:41 | Lars_G | if I have to sync by hand listened and unlistened, new episodes and such it'll add too much time to my mornings :/ |
03:01:52 | fxb | ok, looked to me like you requested one. |
03:01:55 | Ju | damn... I wanted to read "Ipod nano 2nd gen" so much... it was mini pfff... /o\ |
03:02:19 | fxb | heh, didn't read the other lines above |
03:02:21 | fxb | sorry |
03:02:34 | Lars_G | btw just to make sure before I change, when you guys say sansa e200 that includes the e280 right? |
03:02:40 | krazykit | yep |
03:02:53 | Lars_G | Well I might save and buy it to myself as a birthday present |
03:03:10 | Lars_G | I guess OF is needed on the e200 since we aint got a functioning usb stack yet? |
03:03:16 | krazykit | yeah, for now |
03:03:23 | Lars_G | or is the sansa handled by the cpu in disk mode? |
03:03:24 | Lars_G | ok |
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03:03:51 | Lars_G | sigh ok I guess I'll save and buy it |
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03:04:04 | krazykit | i think buy.com has refurbished ones for reasonably cheap |
03:04:22 | Lars_G | tell me something, does the e280 use dual chips for it's video play like video enabled ipods? |
03:05:05 | krazykit | dunno, i've never played video on my sansa. something about the tiny resolution seems wrong for video |
03:06:43 | krazykit | that's just me, though :P |
03:07:04 | Lars_G | Ah well |
03:07:16 | Lars_G | thanks people I think I'll do that. try the sansa... sad for the docks I lose |
03:07:34 | krazykit | now, i THINK it does, but i'm honestly not sure. |
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04:57:26 | corevette | if i install rockbox on my ipod, will it wipe out everything in the itunes DB? |
04:57:35 | oranges2 | No. |
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04:58:13 | oranges2 | I just got back from Circuit City with a new Sansa e260 :] |
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05:01:45 | Gorbulas | hello |
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05:02:24 | Gorbulas | is the mpegplayer broken for anyone else? I'm only getting green and black squares |
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05:07:01 | Gorbulas | ok better. is anyone else having trouble with the mpegplayer? on my ipod nano all I get are green and black squares. the sample movie doesn't work |
05:09:58 | RudMan | sorry, don't have a nono |
05:10:03 | RudMan | nano even |
05:10:38 | Gorbulas | does it work on your player? |
05:10:57 | RudMan | never tried it, I've got a sansa |
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05:18:55 | JerryLange | for some reason when i load vmware i cannot type to log in |
05:19:37 | RudMan | vmware under windows? |
05:19:41 | JerryLange | yes |
05:20:07 | RudMan | you click in the window or the title bar and you cannot type? |
05:20:44 | JerryLange | oh i got it. when i typed the password nothing would show up |
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05:22:00 | JerryLange | but i do not see a pop up window to type comands |
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05:24:27 | jeff_ | hello is anyone active |
05:25:03 | scorche | just ask your question.. |
05:25:23 | JerryLange | this is a very good guide but is out of date because rockbox uses svn now |
05:25:25 | JerryLange | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4689.0 |
05:25:54 | jeff_ | Does anyone know if the 6th gen ipods are being actively cracked? |
05:26:01 | scorche | jeff_: they arent |
05:26:06 | jeff_ | b/c I wanted to purchase the new 160gb one |
05:26:09 | jeff_ | :( |
05:26:24 | scorche | JerryLange: tutorials dont belong in the forums...look in the wiki |
05:27:08 | jeff_ | They cracked the older gen ipods when they weren't compatible though right? |
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05:27:54 | scorche | the other ipods were different |
05:28:29 | JerryLange | is this the tutorial for vmware on the wiki? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform |
05:29:34 | scorche | yes |
05:32:33 | JdGordon | does anyone have a archos player? |
05:33:00 | * | scorche knew he should have bought those batteries today.. |
05:33:06 | oranges2 | The buttons on the Sansa are kind of hard to push :[ |
05:36:33 | advcomp2019 | oranges2, you can talk in #rockbox-community about that |
05:36:41 | RudMan | orange: I agree. I got a silcon skin for it and it made it easier to push |
05:36:51 | * | JdGordon has no problems with the sansa buttons |
05:36:55 | RudMan | oops - sorry wrong channel for such chat |
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05:42:11 | JerryLange | in vmware i get working copy of rockbox locked when i type this svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox |
05:42:42 | scorche | huh? |
05:43:51 | JerryLange | in vmware when i type "svn co svn://svn.rockbox.org/rockbox/trunk rockbox" i get "working copy of rockbox locked run svn cleanup to remove locks" |
05:45:11 | scorche | then run svn cleanup... |
05:46:42 | JerryLange | how do you do that |
05:48:31 | RudMan | I had some issues also with svn |
05:48:49 | RudMan | svn would hang and I'd end up in your situation |
05:49:15 | RudMan | I had to rm the rockbox dir a couple of times before I finally got it to work |
05:49:38 | JerryLange | what directory do i remove? |
05:49:57 | RudMan | rockbox |
05:50:09 | JerryLange | in the vmware folder? |
05:50:18 | JerryLange | c:\programfiles\vmware\rockbox ? |
05:50:24 | RudMan | ummm no |
05:50:39 | RudMan | you should be doing the svn IN vmware |
05:50:54 | RudMan | and all file manipulation INSIDE of vmware |
05:51:05 | JerryLange | then where? |
05:52:00 | RudMan | after you start vmware and log in, what dir are you in? |
05:52:16 | JerryLange | how do i check? |
05:52:47 | RudMan | do you have ANY linux experience at all? |
05:53:04 | JerryLange | nope |
05:53:43 | JerryLange | well i had some coding but i dont think thats the same but it was a long time ago i havnt done any like cmd stuff roa while |
05:54:12 | RudMan | why do you want the rockbox source? it's not exactly something for beginners |
05:54:46 | JerryLange | i want to compile my own build |
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05:58:49 | JerryLange | well i couldnt get it to download to the rockbox so i just am installing the files to sockbox. quickest thing i could think of. |
05:58:51 | Benjamin | whats up guys |
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06:01:27 | Benjamin | on my 4gb 1st gen nano, when i play mp3s it clicks, beeps, or skips ahead. i did read on the forums and it looks like the build that was done on 2007 6 27 is working just fine with no problems, i wanted to know where i can find this build, i searched on rockbox with the oldest being 2007 8 17, and i searched google with no luck |
06:02:02 | Gorbulas | rockbox from may works fine for playing mpeg files, but the current builds fail with black and green blocks |
06:02:14 | Gorbulas | it looks like the b frames aren't being decoded at all |
06:03:19 | JerryLange | when will i know when the source is done downloading in vmware? |
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06:18:56 | Benjamin | never mind, i found it in the forums |
06:19:10 | Benjamin | thanks guys, rock box is awesome |
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08:49:36 | oranges2 | Any solutions? |
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08:50:05 | scorche | looks like they are trying to get teh site back up |
08:50:16 | scorche | solutions to what? |
08:50:27 | oranges2 | To my player being fucked |
08:50:30 | Redbreva | What would be required to include "nimbus+uming-14.fnt" in the fontpack? It's quite a popular one, and is included in may themes, adding approx 400K to the download every time |
08:50:40 | oranges2 | I used the sansapatcher to install the bootloader |
08:50:43 | scorche | please dont use expletives liek that |
08:50:52 | oranges2 | And placed the daily build to the root of the cart |
08:50:53 | GodEater | Redbreva: clear licensing is the usual requirement |
08:50:54 | scorche | you are going to have to say why it is messed up as well... |
08:50:57 | oranges2 | RockBox boots and works fine |
08:51:04 | oranges2 | But when I try to boot into the original firmware |
08:51:09 | oranges2 | It displays some text |
08:51:11 | oranges2 | Then freezes |
08:51:15 | scorche | "some text"? |
08:51:16 | oranges2 | And the screen starts changing colors |
08:51:37 | oranges2 | its hard to see what it says |
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08:51:48 | oranges2 | Because the screen goes white after it gets to the bottom |
08:51:53 | oranges2 | Then it starts changing colors |
08:51:57 | scorche | and please try not to use the enter key as your periods and commas...use paragraphs |
08:52:08 | scorche | well, that text is a bit important... |
08:52:24 | oranges2 | Well I've been trying to see it, at the top it says "Rockbox Boot Loader" |
08:52:37 | oranges2 | I have to spend 30 seconds rebooting every time |
08:53:08 | JerryLange | sweet i just patched my own build. the patch isnt the best for the scroll wheel on ipods but its better then normal behavior |
08:55:16 | Buschel | jerry: you are talking of fs #7738? |
08:55:35 | * | GodEater thinks 7738 is the puppies privates of scrollwheel patches |
08:55:39 | | Part Redbreva ("User is away.") |
08:55:42 | GodEater | can't wait till it gets committed |
08:56:10 | Buschel | :o) |
08:56:14 | oranges2 | video -> http://www.sendspace.com/file/hrrcho |
08:56:19 | amiconn | B4gder: Did you see my question regarding the build system not picking up commits sometimes? |
08:56:33 | B4gder | no... |
08:56:48 | B4gder | what time? |
08:57:03 | amiconn | My sudoku commit y'day didn't trigger a rebuild although it should have... |
08:57:18 | JerryLange | sorry was away. yes i am talking about 7738 |
08:57:31 | B4gder | very odd |
08:57:36 | GodEater | JerryLange: what do you think is wrong with it then ? |
08:57:40 | scorche | oranges2: i cant read that... |
08:57:45 | Buschel | jerry: ok,which ipod do you have and what is the problem? |
08:57:55 | B4gder | amiconn: I'll do some investigating on this later on |
08:58:08 | amiconn | thx |
08:58:19 | oranges2 | Theres not some particular issues that causes the screen to bork like that? |
08:58:23 | JerryLange | GodEater: it still seems laggy, not as smooth |
08:58:41 | scorche | oranges2: well...tell us what teh screen says.. |
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08:58:50 | oranges2 | Dude |
08:58:51 | oranges2 | I have like |
08:58:54 | GodEater | laggy is not a word I would use to describe it's behaviour at all |
08:58:55 | oranges2 | A third of a second to read it |
08:59:17 | scorche | it looks much longer than that from the vieo you just posted |
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08:59:31 | scorche | video |
08:59:48 | Buschel | jerry: which ipod are you using? you are having "laggy" behaviour in accelerated or in normal mode? |
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09:00:19 | JerryLange | accelerated |
09:02:16 | oranges2 | Bah |
09:02:20 | oranges2 | And now the forums aren't working. |
09:02:46 | scorche | if you arent going to do what we ask to get information, then i really doubt you will get any help... |
09:03:00 | oranges2 | What the hell do you think I've been trying to do? |
09:03:05 | oranges2 | I can;t read it fast enough |
09:03:16 | oranges2 | And it takes a minute in between each try to reset it |
09:03:23 | scorche | then take a picture...you have already taken a video |
09:03:29 | oranges2 | I tried |
09:03:30 | JerryLange | wow i rebooted my ipod and now the patch is working very well. strange it was a bit buggy when it first loaded after the new build |
09:03:33 | oranges2 | It turned out blurry |
09:03:45 | scorche | then focus the image... |
09:03:59 | oranges2 | I only have my cell phone as a camera |
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09:06:32 | JerryLange | its laggy when you are playing music. |
09:07:21 | JerryLange | can i run "svn update" on vmware? |
09:10:00 | ddalton | did you check out with svn? |
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09:10:55 | ddalton | JerryLange: I was talking to you :-) |
09:11:25 | JerryLange | ddalton: what do you mean "check out"? |
09:11:40 | GodEater | JerryLange: did you use svn to get the code in the first place ? |
09:11:44 | JerryLange | yes |
09:11:45 | ddalton | did you run the check out command? |
09:11:50 | GodEater | then you "checked out" with svn |
09:11:51 | ddalton | How did you get the source? |
09:12:07 | GodEater | in which case, yes, you can use "svn up" |
09:12:09 | JerryLange | svn co svn://...ect |
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09:12:20 | ddalton | ok then type svn up from the root of your source tree. Where you applied the patch before. |
09:12:23 | GodEater | JerryLange: co = "check out" |
09:12:45 | JerryLange | alright thank you |
09:13:03 | ddalton | yes you checked out so svn up svn diff and svn revert will all work. All the svn commands will. |
09:13:21 | JerryLange | it seems actually pretty easy to patch and build your own build with the instructions. ill have to read thenover a few times but i think i can get the hang of it. |
09:13:46 | ddalton | yes but when you get hunk errors it is a lot harder. |
09:14:13 | JerryLange | hunk errors have to deal with the patch itself correct? |
09:14:17 | ddalton | GodEater: Got a couple of minutes? |
09:14:52 | JerryLange | is the scroll acceleration "broken" on all ipods? |
09:15:17 | JdGordon | not broken... just not working |
09:15:28 | GodEater | ddalton: kind of if I don't have to concentrate too hard ;) |
09:16:22 | ddalton | GodEater: Could you have a look and see if I am on the right track with this voicebox thing? I think it is mostly in vb and a bit of html. The part I don't understand is in vb script. |
09:16:41 | ddalton | I tried the guy who wrote and the mailing list and no luck :-( |
09:17:10 | GodEater | ddalton: where's your code ? |
09:17:28 | daurnimator | JdGordon! |
09:17:37 | ddalton | ddalton/voiceBox.zip">http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/voiceBox.zip |
09:18:30 | ddalton | If you open the hta file you will see what I am talking about. If you open it in a browser you will see the tick box problem. |
09:18:33 | GodEater | ddalton: file is corrupt, can you try again |
09:19:17 | oranges2 | Phew, recovered |
09:19:29 | ddalton | is it what happens? |
09:19:55 | GodEater | the zip command errors out when I try and extract from your file |
09:19:59 | JdGordon | daurnimator: ? |
09:21:03 | ddalton | ok I am uploading it. |
09:21:44 | JerryLange | GodEater: the scroll acceleration patch seems to lag when you are playing music |
09:22:03 | ddalton | ok try: ddalton/voice_box2.zip">http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/voice_box2.zip |
09:22:14 | ddalton | I used win rar is that ok? |
09:22:33 | GodEater | JerryLange: I don't find that personally |
09:22:49 | GodEater | in fact, I think it's the exact opposite - it's a bit laggy when the CPU isn't boosted |
09:24:27 | GodEater | ddalton: same thing - are you using winzip 7 by any chance ? |
09:24:42 | ddalton | no win rar I will try zip in cygwin. |
09:24:42 | JerryLange | GodEater: what are your settings? |
09:24:54 | GodEater | or winzip 9 |
09:24:59 | GodEater | winrar ?!?!? |
09:25:19 | oranges2 | So I recovered the player, and tried installing the bootloader again. RockBox still works fine, but now whenever I boot while holding <- it just reboots. |
09:25:35 | GodEater | JerryLange: I left them at default |
09:25:39 | oranges2 | Instead of freezing and the screen changing colors like it was doing before |
09:26:01 | Buschel | JerryLange: I guess this is because the queue is a bit delayed (less list jumps per second). |
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09:27:49 | JerryLange | GodEater: i have no music playing and the scrolling is very smooth for me. no i played one song and its smooth for about 4 pages of songs maybe then it starts to just show a page or sometimes the inverse bar is in the middle of a page of songs |
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09:28:36 | Buschel | jerry: what kind of music format do you play at which bitrate? -> how much cpu consumed? |
09:28:50 | oranges2 | So nobody has any input? |
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09:29:18 | JerryLange | most are mp3 very rare do i have a wam file and cpu boost is at 1 |
09:29:27 | JerryLange | wma file* |
09:29:53 | ddalton | ok will this work? ddalton/voicebox.tgz">http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/voicebox.tgz |
09:30:31 | ddalton | GodEater: Did you get that link? |
09:30:57 | GodEater | ddalton: a) that's not a .tgz file, it's still a .zip file, so why not call it that, and b) No - it still won't unzip at this end. |
09:31:05 | JerryLange | also for some reason when i go to cpu frequency the sound is very skipy. this happened before i ran the patch |
09:31:22 | ddalton | ok what os are you using? |
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09:31:57 | GodEater | ddalton: http://pastebin.ca/raw/700416 |
09:32:03 | GodEater | ddalton: linux of course :) |
09:32:57 | ddalton | What should I zip it with? |
09:33:09 | GodEater | "zip" |
09:33:20 | ddalton | what is that in cygwin? |
09:34:01 | GodEater | ddalton: make sure you're in the directory above the folder you're trying to zip up, and then do "zip voicebox.zip whatever-the-folder-is-called" |
09:34:03 | ddalton | what is the command in linux |
09:35:39 | GodEater | ddalton: or if you're still in cygwin, again from the directory above do "tar czvf voicebox.tgz whatever-the-folder-is-called" |
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09:39:51 | oranges2 | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12762.0 :[ |
09:40:20 | ddalton | ok does this work? ddalton/voicebox.tgz">http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/voicebox.tgz |
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09:41:14 | ddalton | GodEater is it working? |
09:41:30 | ^JimmyRidge^ | heh cool just realized rockbox plays NSF <nintendo sound files> thats pimp |
09:42:12 | GodEater | ddalton: no - that's still broken |
09:42:28 | GodEater | ddalton: why don't you create a flyspray task for it, and upload it there |
09:43:06 | ddalton | GodEater: There are still some bugs. is that ok? And how will that fix the zip problem? |
09:43:13 | hcs | ^JimmyRidge^: SPC and SID, too |
09:43:17 | GodEater | ddalton: I've no idea what you're doing wrong with the zip files |
09:43:25 | GodEater | you're either uploading them before they've finished zipping |
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09:43:28 | GodEater | or your hosting is broken |
09:43:36 | GodEater | do they unzip at your end ok after you've made them ? |
09:43:49 | ddalton | so can I upload them to the tracker and see if you can get them that way? |
09:44:27 | GodEater | ddalton: that would be my plan yes :) |
09:45:16 | JerryLange | GodEater: i have proof of what i was talking about. can you view videos on youtube? i am going to upload it |
09:45:32 | GodEater | JerryLange: show it to Buschel - he's the patch author :) |
09:46:16 | ^JimmyRidge^ | yeah hcs but NES is better quality ;) |
09:46:34 | ddalton | what was the command again? |
09:46:40 | ddalton | to zip |
09:46:41 | JerryLange | I did not know this. is Buschel around? |
09:46:44 | * | ^JimmyRidge^ listens to the contra snow level |
09:46:58 | GodEater | JerryLange: he was speaking to you earlier :) |
09:47:10 | GodEater | ddalton: "zip" is the zip command |
09:47:28 | ddalton | so "zip voicebox.zip voicebox"? |
09:47:54 | GodEater | ddalton: that should work yes |
09:48:10 | GodEater | assuming "voicebox" is your directory where all the code is" |
09:48:47 | JerryLange | Buschel: you there? |
09:50:06 | Buschel | jerry: yes |
09:50:34 | ddalton | GodEater: what was the tgz one? |
09:50:50 | JerryLange | Buschel: i will have the video uploaded shortly of what its doing. i guess my ipod is doing the complete opposite of GodEaters? |
09:50:54 | GodEater | ddalton: tar czvf voicebox.tgz voicebox" |
09:51:15 | Buschel | jerry: what kind of ipod do you have? |
09:51:49 | JerryLange | 5.5g 80gig |
09:52:16 | Buschel | hmm, mine is a 5.5g 30gig. so the behaviour should be nearly the same |
09:54:01 | Buschel | jerry: config is 270°/s and (°/s)^4? |
09:54:03 | ddalton | ok it says its done I will open a task |
09:54:25 | homielowe | when attemping to patch gcc (cross-compile tutorial) I get this http://pastebin.ca/700427 |
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09:55:16 | JerryLange | i would just upload the video but idk if your computer can support 3g2 files |
09:55:36 | Buschel | jerry: i do not knwo this format :/ |
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09:55:52 | Buschel | *know |
09:56:03 | JerryLange | can you view videos from youtube? |
09:56:15 | homielowe | I think it a phone format 3gp, etc |
09:56:20 | Buschel | jerry: let's try :) |
09:56:29 | oranges2 | VLC Player would play it |
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09:56:39 | linuxstb_ | homielowe: It looks like your patch file could be corrupt - you could try downloading it again. |
09:56:39 | GodEater | ddalton: check to see you can extract the files again at your end before you attach it to the FS task |
09:56:49 | ddalton | ok then |
09:56:50 | JerryLange | hold on its still processing on youtube. |
09:56:55 | ddalton | what is the command for that? |
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09:58:49 | JerryLange | Buschel: http://youtube.com/watch?v=ra07dkYSq1w |
09:59:04 | oranges2 | Any ideas? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12762.0 |
09:59:23 | ddalton | ok it worked with win rar I will upload the file |
09:59:31 | JerryLange | Buschel: the first time im scrolling im playing music, the 2nd time you see my stop the music and then start to scroll |
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09:59:50 | GodEater | ddalton: could you just check it with "unzip" too ? |
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10:00:12 | homielowe | linuxstb_:that worked :) |
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10:01:45 | ddalton | Sorry GodEater I have uploaded it. How do I unzip with "Unzip" ? it is fs 7790 |
10:02:02 | GodEater | ddalton: "unzip voicebox.zip" :) |
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10:02:14 | JdGordon | quick call for any other archos player owners? |
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10:03:00 | ddalton | same problem as you got. is there ment to be a voicebox.zip file inside voicebox.tgz? |
10:03:48 | Buschel | jerry: is there any HDD-loading going on while playback and scrolling? |
10:03:50 | GodEater | ddalton: not unless there was one in the voicebox directory you zipped up |
10:03:59 | JerryLange | no |
10:04:19 | JerryLange | i only had one song and let the buffer fill |
10:05:23 | Buschel | jerry: ok. could you try a theme with larger fonts? maybe this behaviour is connected to the amount of lines which is loaded and displayed? |
10:06:06 | ddalton | ok well win rar handles it fine. and I zipped it with "zip" |
10:06:12 | Buschel | jerry: it definately seems like there are only few display updates... |
10:06:50 | JdGordon | amiconn: is accessing pointers more bin-heavy than regular ints? |
10:07:51 | JerryLange | Buschel: i tried the default rockbox theme with a font with the number 17 near it. its pretty big, and it still does it |
10:08:57 | ddalton | GodEater: can you try this one I upload? |
10:09:03 | GodEater | the one on FS ? |
10:09:14 | ddalton | no I am about to add a comment |
10:09:27 | GodEater | ok - let me know when you want me to try |
10:10:53 | JerryLange | it seems as if the acceleration is working but is still lags like originally but with page jumping |
10:11:31 | ddalton | GodEater: Can you try the last comment on p7790? |
10:11:45 | GodEater | ddalton: one second |
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10:12:34 | GodEater | ddalton: that one worked ;) |
10:13:38 | GodEater | ddalton: now remind me - what did you want me to do with it ? :) |
10:14:04 | Buschel | jerry: i think the same. i can reproduce here (playing mp3) |
10:14:22 | ddalton | well if you open the hta file you will see voice files twice. The second check box should be voice file extensions. Do you know what needs fixing? |
10:14:35 | JerryLange | what do you usually play? ogg? |
10:14:40 | SofianBabai | hello all. is there a way to create a script in cygwin which allows me to automate some tasks. i need to build voice files for many targets and i would like to have it wuickly done |
10:14:45 | GodEater | ddalton: ah - you want me to actually run it ? That will be tricky on linux :( |
10:15:24 | Buschel | jerr: mpc |
10:15:37 | JerryLange | oh. ive never heard of that format |
10:16:06 | GodEater | SofianBabai: yes there is - read up on bash scripting |
10:16:17 | ddalton | ah ok can you have a look at the code? |
10:16:21 | JerryLange | i might be able to get this tested on the nano also :O |
10:16:33 | ddalton | I have to go for dinner but will be back in 15 minutes is that ok? |
10:16:44 | SofianBabai | GodEater: is it hard to do ? |
10:17:02 | GodEater | SofianBabai: depends on how good a programmer you are |
10:17:19 | SofianBabai | i'm NOT a programmer |
10:17:29 | SofianBabai | ...definetely not :( |
10:17:31 | GodEater | SofianBabai: then you will find it quite hard I imagine |
10:17:34 | JerryLange | Buschel: would that be cool? |
10:17:42 | Buschel | jerry: do you are able to recompile in short time? my PC is quite slow :/ |
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10:18:06 | JerryLange | i have no idea. ive only compiled once lol |
10:18:06 | SofianBabai | arf is it harder than creating batch files ? |
10:18:23 | wraith | g'day |
10:18:26 | GodEater | SofianBabai: not harder - just different |
10:18:27 | JerryLange | Buschel: you have a updated patch? |
10:18:57 | SofianBabai | ho my ... :( |
10:18:59 | Buschel | jerry: i would just aks you to comment #define HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL in firmware/export/config-ipodvideo.h |
10:19:10 | * | JdGordon is after some testers for http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2007-09/att-0082/changes.patch |
10:19:24 | Buschel | jerry: this way the patch is deactivated -> just to check if the new driver creates this effect |
10:19:50 | JerryLange | i do not know how to do that part |
10:20:31 | Buschel | jerry: hmm, just open the file (see above) and write // right before the "#define HAVE_SCROLLWHEEL" |
10:20:48 | GodEater | SofianBabai: all you need to do is a bit of reading up on bash scripting |
10:20:59 | JerryLange | JdGordon: what is that patch? |
10:21:22 | JdGordon | if it works you shouldnt notice any change in the lists |
10:21:31 | JdGordon | but the file and databse browser needs checking |
10:22:00 | JerryLange | Buschel: so i just open the acceleration wheel patch and input that where? |
10:22:51 | Buschel | jerry: wait. I'll better do it here |
10:23:36 | JerryLange | JdGordon, Buschel: what time is it for you? |
10:23:51 | Buschel | 10:21 (am) |
10:23:51 | JdGordon | 6.30pm |
10:25:17 | SofianBabai | godEater: gonna try to find something understandable. |
10:26:11 | JerryLange | Buschel: i can do more testing for you earlier if you want i usually get on at 8pm-??am here. im 7 hours behind you |
10:27:06 | Buschel | jerry: what is the behaviour with an unpatched version? |
10:27:31 | delYsid | What is running time supposed to display? SOme kind of uptime, or total runtime? |
10:27:47 | delYsid | I am getting 92 hours, which is a bit strange |
10:27:52 | JerryLange | same but with no page skipping |
10:28:07 | wraith | anybody able to tell me how to get rockbox to remember a backdrop? specifically with an ipod nano |
10:28:14 | Buschel | jerry: so, its also kin of laggy? |
10:28:19 | Buschel | *kind |
10:28:23 | JerryLange | yes |
10:28:25 | | Part homielowe |
10:28:47 | pixelma | delYsid: it displays the running time but you have to reset it manually |
10:29:26 | JdGordon | pixelma has a archos player, doesnt you? |
10:29:28 | linuxstb_ | wraith: I think the backdrop needs to be in .rockbox/backdrops |
10:29:44 | JerryLange | when i use the "remove patch" command "patch -p0 -r < nameof.patch. does this undo what it first patched or delete it? |
10:30:07 | pixelma | JdGordon: one of the Archos devices but not teh Player |
10:30:37 | JdGordon | grr... im sick of the damn charcell player :D |
10:31:45 | JerryLange | can somebody verify this for me? |
10:32:55 | amiconn | JdGordon: Yes, and it's also slower |
10:33:06 | JerryLange | if you need, i can get this patch tested on the nano also.....that is..if my cousin can find his player. he misplaced it. |
10:33:28 | Buschel | jerry: this would be nice :) |
10:33:29 | JdGordon | amiconn: ok, so maybe i will stick it into a variable untill it needs to be set |
10:34:03 | JdGordon | im getting a 50byte +delta on the rec which is a bit annoying, but close enough to nothing |
10:34:47 | * | JdGordon itching to commit this :p |
10:35:06 | wraith | i have tried moving the exact picture file to the backdrops folder but it didn't seem to do anything |
10:35:09 | JerryLange | ok just answer this. im trying to compile a non patched buld. so i just run the -R command? |
10:35:40 | hcs | JerryLange: did you check out from SVN? if so just do svn revert |
10:35:41 | JerryLange | patch -p0 -R < patchfilename |
10:35:49 | Buschel | jerry: if the lagging is also happening with a unpatched build (like recent build from rockbox.org) then the lagging is not connected to the acceleration patch. you will see it more clearly as there are more lines/pages to jump at one time... |
10:35:58 | ddalton | GodEater: Did you get a chance to look at that code? |
10:37:37 | JerryLange | hcs: but would the patch -p0 -R < patchfilename command work also? |
10:38:03 | hcs | JerryLange: yes |
10:38:32 | JerryLange | thank you |
10:40:40 | GodEater | ddalton: I can't run it here - it doesn't work on linux |
10:40:56 | JerryLange | alright ran the command and now i get this error: " export/config.h:24:22: error: audoconf.h: no suck file or dirctory |
10:41:19 | hcs | JerryLange: what directory are you running the command in? |
10:41:39 | JerryLange | rockbox/ipod5g/ |
10:42:34 | hcs | is there in fact a rockbox/ipod5g/export/config.h, or is it rockbox/ipod5g/rockbox/export/config.h ? |
10:42:56 | ddalton | GodEater: Can you have a look at the code? |
10:43:10 | ddalton | or should I just forget about and install ubuntu |
10:44:01 | JerryLange | hcs: i do not see that file at all |
10:44:20 | GodEater | ddalton: I can look, but without being able to run it - I'm not sure what use it'll be |
10:44:43 | JerryLange | i see autoconfig.h in the ipod5g folder |
10:44:49 | ddalton | ok could you have a quick look otherwise I will just ask on there and see if it gets looked at |
10:45:04 | hcs | JerryLange: do you have the rockbox source tree? |
10:45:20 | JerryLange | yes |
10:46:27 | hcs | JerryLange: oh, it should be run in firmware/ |
10:47:37 | ddalton | delYsid: Around? |
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10:47:51 | JerryLange | hcs: and i am looking for autoconf.h correct? |
10:48:41 | hcs | JerryLange: I don't know what you mean, you should run the patch -R in the firmware/ directory |
10:48:43 | ddalton | GodEater: Do you have time to take a quick look at it? |
10:49:00 | GodEater | ddalton: I *am* looking at it - I can't see where there's a problem |
10:49:09 | JerryLange | oh. i ran it in /rockbox |
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10:49:32 | ddalton | It seems that there are to check boxes called voice file names and no voice extensions |
10:49:35 | ddalton | *two* |
10:50:23 | JerryLange | hcs: what did i do wrong? |
10:50:51 | ddalton | is Jens Arnold on here? |
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10:51:05 | hcs | JerryLange: you ran the patch program in the wrong directory |
10:51:19 | ddalton | who is Jens Arnold? His name is on a read me file |
10:51:20 | JerryLange | hcs: how do i fix this? |
10:51:47 | hcs | JerryLange: change into the rockbox/firmware directory and run it there |
10:52:06 | GodEater | ddalton: amiconn |
10:52:24 | ddalton | Amiconn: Do you have a few minutes? |
10:52:49 | JerryLange | says no such file or directory when i try to unpatch it |
10:52:53 | JerryLange | or remove it |
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10:55:47 | hcs | JerryLange: is there a rockbox/firmware directory that you can change into? |
10:56:18 | JerryLange | hcs: yes i was in there |
10:56:20 | ddalton | why don't you just run svn revert? |
10:56:51 | JerryLange | not enough arguments |
10:57:09 | hcs | JerryLange: what file doesn't exist? |
10:57:15 | JerryLange | hsc the patch |
10:57:16 | ddalton | "svn revert -R ." This will remove all patches from your tree. |
10:57:17 | hcs | JerryLange: svn revert . |
10:57:21 | JerryLange | i did |
10:57:40 | ddalton | did you try my last command? |
10:58:08 | hcs | JerryLange: you have to give it the path to the patch, if it was up one directory then do patch -p0 -R < ../patchfilename |
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10:59:22 | JerryLange | when i do svn revert -r it says missing argument |
10:59:42 | hcs | JerryLange: the . in that command is important, and it is -R |
10:59:43 | ddalton | you need a . at the end |
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11:00:11 | hcs | JerryLange: the . means "this directory" |
11:00:14 | JerryLange | now i get a syntax error |
11:00:15 | * | GodEater is always amazed at the number of people who type that command wrong, even when it's been explicitly typed here for them |
11:00:31 | hcs | it looks like the end of a sentence |
11:00:50 | GodEater | hcs, not with the space it doesn't |
11:00:54 | * | amiconn agrees with GodEater |
11:01:01 | amiconn | There's even copy & paste... |
11:01:10 | ddalton | amiconn: are you there? |
11:01:13 | GodEater | besides, in speech marks, the command is clear |
11:01:34 | JerryLange | invalid option character |
11:01:40 | * | ddalton has to admit he typed it wrong. |
11:01:54 | GodEater | ddalton: you're excused - you only did it once :) |
11:02:09 | GodEater | I don't even know how your screenreader read it back to you |
11:02:10 | JerryLange | dir |
11:02:43 | ddalton | I think it is mostly the blind users. (Not an excuse) but it is hard to tell punctuation with a screenreader. You need to read by character. |
11:02:53 | hcs | JerryLange: use a capital -R |
11:02:57 | ddalton | it said svn revert -r |
11:03:06 | JerryLange | i did and now i get a "invalid option character" |
11:03:15 | ddalton | what are you typing? |
11:03:19 | ddalton | exactly? |
11:03:31 | JerryLange | svn revert -R. |
11:03:45 | hcs | space between the -R and the period |
11:03:48 | GodEater | JerryLange: you forgot the space between R and . |
11:04:04 | JerryLange | whoops. sorry i cant see very good at this moment |
11:04:08 | ddalton | yep just a space needed between "R" and "." |
11:04:11 | GodEater | JerryLange: so cut and paste |
11:04:20 | GodEater | ddalton gave you the command here a few minutes ago |
11:04:44 | * | ddalton Wonders why people don't use copy and paste |
11:04:53 | * | GodEater wonders that too |
11:05:05 | JerryLange | how do you copy from windows window and vmware? |
11:05:17 | ddalton | BTW how do you copy and paste on linux? I know how to do it on windows. |
11:05:17 | JerryLange | ok did that command |
11:05:25 | ddalton | did it work? |
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11:05:46 | JerryLange | uhh i didnt get any errors just had a yellow block and now its letting me type commands again |
11:05:50 | GodEater | ddalton: there are a variety of ways to do it |
11:06:08 | ddalton | GodEater Can you give me one example? :-) |
11:06:27 | GodEater | ddalton: the "original" way was to simply hilight the text in one window with the mouse, and then click in your destination window with the middle mouse button |
11:06:32 | JerryLange | i cant copy and paste. well i dont know how to from windows to vmware |
11:06:53 | bluebrother | JerryLange: pasting on linux works with the middle mouse button |
11:06:55 | GodEater | ddalton: however, most "modern" desktop environments in linux now support the Ctrl-C to copy and Ctrl-V to paste that windows uses |
11:07:22 | JerryLange | can you copy from a eterm window? |
11:07:24 | ddalton | so how can you select text? A mouse is difficult to use when you are blind :-( |
11:07:43 | bluebrother | select with the left mouse button |
11:08:02 | ddalton | bluebrother were you talking to me? |
11:08:25 | * | ddalton Better read a basic book on linux |
11:08:31 | bluebrother | ddalton: no, but I guess you have a similar issue ;) |
11:09:03 | JerryLange | oh to copy text i select with the left button? and then what |
11:09:09 | * | ddalton Wonders if amiconn is going to talk to me! |
11:09:17 | bluebrother | then paste it with the middle button |
11:09:45 | JerryLange | no i want to copy text from eterm and paste it in my chat window |
11:09:54 | JerryLange | i have vmware and windows |
11:10:02 | ddalton | why? |
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11:10:16 | JerryLange | so i can show you my error im getting |
11:10:18 | bluebrother | well, it's in the clipboard. I don't know vmware too much but you should be able pasting with the usual Ctrl-V on windows |
11:10:32 | bluebrother | you could also run an irc client in linux ... |
11:10:40 | bluebrother | or use a pastebin. |
11:10:40 | ddalton | Why don't you copy and past the following message? Don't copy my name of course |
11:10:48 | ddalton | svn revert -R . |
11:11:00 | ddalton | that should be "paste" |
11:11:08 | SofianBabai | wow i'm trying to learn this bash scripting and i've still never find any clue on what i want to do. it's desperating :) |
11:11:23 | JerryLange | i did that already and now when i run "make" i still get an error |
11:11:42 | ddalton | so if you run svn revert what does it say? |
11:11:48 | bluebrother | did you run "make clean" first? |
11:12:00 | ddalton | o yeah forgot to say that |
11:12:43 | JerryLange | alright i did "make clean" now what? |
11:12:51 | ddalton | run configure |
11:12:55 | amiconn | rasher: Is there a reason for LANG_BUTTONLIGHT_TIMEOUT being left out for C200? |
11:12:56 | bluebrother | now invoke "make" |
11:13:20 | GodEater | SofianBabai: I thought all you wanted to do was to make voice files for multiple targets ? |
11:13:55 | JerryLange | dir |
11:14:25 | SofianBabai | godeater: yes, only that, in fact, just want to automate the commands i type on the keyboard. I'm getting lost with those insructions, constants and variables :( |
11:14:58 | JerryLange | so i did "make clean" now i go in my ipod5g folder and run "make" ? |
11:15:19 | bluebrother | you run "make clean" from the build folder, as you run "make" |
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11:16:12 | JerryLange | dir |
11:16:15 | GodEater | SofianBabai: I'd look at the automated build script in svn if I were you |
11:16:20 | JerryLange | crap i always run the commands in this window |
11:16:20 | GodEater | it already does what you want |
11:16:25 | GodEater | you just have to call it multiple times |
11:16:26 | ddalton | no you need to run configure you need a makefile |
11:16:56 | bluebrother | if you haven't run configure "make clean" also won't work because of the missing Makefile ... |
11:17:06 | JerryLange | alright "make" command is running and so far i have no errors as fast as i did before. |
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11:18:07 | ddalton | did you type ../tools/configure from your build dir? |
11:18:14 | JerryLange | yes |
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11:18:27 | ddalton | and before that you ran make clean |
11:18:33 | ddalton | ? |
11:18:38 | JerryLange | did make clean then ../tools/configure 22 64 then make |
11:19:01 | ddalton | why 64? |
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11:19:09 | ddalton | is that how much ram your player has |
11:19:32 | JerryLange | isnt that how much memory my ipod video has? |
11:19:42 | ddalton | what's the hdd size? |
11:19:44 | bluebrother | the video asks you about the ram size of your player. |
11:19:49 | JerryLange | 80 |
11:19:53 | ddalton | yep it is |
11:19:59 | bluebrother | the hdd size is completely irrelevant for building Rockbox. |
11:20:18 | GodEater | it's relevant to work out how much memory your ipod has though |
11:20:24 | SofianBabai | GodEater: good idea. can i find it in my source tree ? tI mean the svn script |
11:20:24 | ddalton | I know but doesn't the 60 and 80 have 64 mb ram and 32 for the 30? |
11:20:34 | GodEater | ddalton: yes |
11:20:47 | GodEater | SofianBabai: it's somewhere in the svn source tree yes |
11:21:03 | JerryLange | so this build im compiling is a unpatched build? |
11:21:08 | SofianBabai | ok gonna check for that, it may be a good starting point |
11:21:29 | ddalton | but bluebrother said it is completely irrelevant for building rockbox |
11:21:50 | ddalton | I don't know did you apply any patches? |
11:22:14 | JerryLange | yes but i did the revert command i thought that got rid of the patch |
11:22:45 | bluebrother | if you reverted the complete source tree all patches are gone |
11:22:49 | * | ddalton Is going to forget about voicebox. 5 mailing lists and irc and he can't figure it out |
11:23:02 | ddalton | yes it did if it worked. |
11:23:10 | ddalton | Did it say what files it reverted? |
11:23:40 | JerryLange | just to clarify. next time i just go to root source and do "svn revert -R ." ? |
11:23:50 | ddalton | is it worth closing p7790? GodEater? |
11:24:05 | GodEater | SofianBabai: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/buildall-voices.pl?revision=14357&view=markup&pathrev=14732 |
11:24:09 | ddalton | yes why don't you write it down? |
11:24:14 | GodEater | SofianBabai: that's a perl script which does what you want |
11:24:25 | GodEater | ddalton: why? It's not done yet is it ? |
11:24:40 | SofianBabai | GodEater: thanks you very much ! |
11:25:11 | ddalton | GodEater no its not but I can't work out what is wrong with it. As I said I tried here and 5 mailing lists and brian who wrote it but no luck. |
11:25:37 | JerryLange | after that do i have to do the make clean in the build directory every time? |
11:25:42 | bluebrother | no |
11:25:59 | ddalton | no! Unless you revert I think but I never do it actually. |
11:26:14 | bluebrother | make detects which files have already been compiled and which are out of date so it can rebuild only the ones needed. |
11:26:29 | ddalton | and it speeds up compile time on cygwin |
11:26:43 | JerryLange | i have vmware |
11:26:46 | bluebrother | if something fails with this detection (which usually happens rarely) you need "make clean" to remove all old files. Then you get a complete rebuild |
11:27:06 | JerryLange | ok. like the errors i was getting |
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11:27:14 | ddalton | well it will speed that up of course but it is pretty fast anyway isn't it? |
11:27:15 | bluebrother | but if you get compile errors it's an easy way to rule out old files. |
11:27:31 | bluebrother | ddalton: compiling is never fast enough ;) |
11:27:41 | JerryLange | how long does it usually take? |
11:27:50 | ddalton | on what? |
11:27:57 | ddalton | cygwin vmware or linux? |
11:28:03 | bluebrother | depends on your os, envionment and pc. |
11:28:13 | JerryLange | thats what i thought. |
11:28:45 | bluebrother | cygwin is known to be dog slow. |
11:28:51 | ddalton | here with 1 gb ram dual core 2.1 ghz with cygwin about 15 minutes (clean build) |
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11:29:19 | bluebrother | and it depends on the target you're building |
11:29:35 | JerryLange | i dont know how long it takes. i just have the window over to my right and have this window open so it dont bother me i just glance at it to see when its done. |
11:29:37 | ddalton | really? |
11:30:05 | bluebrother | sure. The player f.e. has much less code −− no codecs, no doom etc. |
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11:30:30 | ddalton | GodEater What do you think we should do with p7790? |
11:30:40 | JerryLange | yes. i noticed that bluebrother. i just compiled a build for the nano and it didnt take very long |
11:30:59 | ddalton | vmware must be fast then (better than cygwin) |
11:35:19 | delYsid | ddalton: did you have any luck with the patch I sent you? |
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11:35:58 | ddalton | What exactly should it do? Also do you know stephane who has been writing some voice patches. Well your patches don't apply with his. |
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11:36:37 | ddalton | delYsid Did you get my pm? |
11:37:11 | JerryLange | extracting my new compiled build. hope this works |
11:37:33 | ddalton | GodEater: around? |
11:37:35 | delYsid | ddalton: I actually use three of stephane's patches since saturday. |
11:37:45 | GodEater | ddalton: still here yes |
11:38:42 | ddalton | GodEater : so what should we do about p7790? I can't be bother fixing and I don't know how. I don't know what else I can try. I emailed the author, a programming list, html list, rockbox dev list and I tried here. |
11:38:55 | ddalton | What do you think? |
11:39:20 | GodEater | ddalton: just leave a comment on it saying what you've done, and what needs fixing |
11:39:25 | ddalton | delYsid: I use all of his but what does the big one you sent me do? |
11:39:27 | GodEater | and someone else may pick it up |
11:40:08 | ddalton | ok I will but I doubt it will be fixed. |
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11:40:33 | ddalton | It works for me I have a shortcut and hit enter and it just reads the options in the ini file and works great. |
11:40:48 | ddalton | But it won't for others if they don't understand it. |
11:41:07 | ddalton | delYsid: Are you getting my messages? |
11:41:19 | GodEater | ddalton: someone will fix it |
11:41:24 | delYsid | ddalton: yes, patience, I am at work :-) |
11:41:35 | ddalton | ok then lets see how long it will be there for. |
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11:41:58 | delYsid | well, my patch basically just enables some plugins to talk... |
11:42:05 | ddalton | what ones? |
11:42:13 | AceNik | JdGordon: you there |
11:42:24 | delYsid | it also includes jingle support for the fm tuner and other goodies I wanted to have on my sansa |
11:42:37 | bluebrother | just if someone is curious: a clean rebuild of the mini2g build took less than 4 minutes on my machine −− P-M 1.4GHz, native linux |
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11:43:03 | JerryLange | cool. i got it to compile a unpatched build. now lets see if i remember tomorrow when i repatch it. |
11:43:18 | delYsid | ddalton: for now only the chessbox is really usable, some others like the clock have usable menus now and the pgn viewer also works. |
11:43:36 | ddalton | you just apply your patches and run make in your build dir. No need to run configure or make clean |
11:44:07 | bluebrother | that is with ccache enabled :) |
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11:44:22 | JerryLange | unless i want to compile a build for a different player then i run configure |
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11:44:49 | bluebrother | JerryLange: I suggest using a different folder for a different build |
11:44:52 | ddalton | delYsid Can you reply to my pm? |
11:45:01 | JerryLange | oh yeah. i know that |
11:45:05 | turbotoast | good morning. could someone spare a few minutes to help me with a problem? |
11:45:11 | * | bluebrother just found http://www.ericdaugherty.com/dev/itunesexport/ |
11:45:12 | ddalton | that wasn't meant to go to the channel |
11:45:24 | bluebrother | turbotoast: only if you dare to tell us your problem ;-) |
11:45:30 | ddalton | what is the problem? |
11:45:37 | turbotoast | bluebrother: no, you have to guess :D |
11:45:45 | turbotoast | okay, I just installed rockbox on my ipod mini 4gb |
11:45:57 | ddalton | and? |
11:46:11 | delYsid | ddalton: pm? where, on IRC, I got nothing |
11:46:11 | turbotoast | it boots up nicely, but when I try to build a database, it outputs "367 files scanned" or something in the like, and then freezes |
11:46:13 | bluebrother | great decision :) |
11:46:29 | bluebrother | I assume you have the most recent build installed? |
11:46:32 | turbotoast | and if I connect it to my mac, it displays the usb-cable-symbol and then shuts down |
11:46:35 | turbotoast | yes, i have |
11:46:58 | JerryLange | well im out. talk to you people later. |
11:47:13 | bluebrother | so it does not reboot to disc mode? Does the cable symbol disappear or does it stay displayed? |
11:47:21 | turbotoast | it disappears |
11:47:23 | JerryLange | its 5am here :( |
11:47:32 | turbotoast | the ipod just completely shuts down (or so it seems) |
11:47:40 | JerryLange | and i havnt gone to bed yet. later. |
11:47:49 | turbotoast | i also tried to do the same thing on my linux machine, but to no avail |
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11:47:56 | turbotoast | could it pose a problem that I formatted it on a pc |
11:47:57 | turbotoast | ? |
11:48:28 | bluebrother | well, there is a known issue with some ipods not rebooting to disc mode properly. |
11:48:46 | bluebrother | I get that on my mini too −− but it seems to appear only with some builds. |
11:48:51 | turbotoast | I see |
11:48:58 | turbotoast | wait a sec, how can I reboot it to disk mode? |
11:49:00 | bluebrother | also, the reason is currently unknown. |
11:49:19 | bluebrother | reboot the Ipod by holding Menu + Select. Once the Ipod reboots press Play + Select. |
11:49:37 | bluebrother | this loads emergency disc mode. To leave it you need to reboot the Ipod again. |
11:49:45 | * | turbotoast tries |
11:50:14 | turbotoast | okay, it mounted |
11:50:18 | turbotoast | I feel like an idiot now |
11:50:47 | ddalton | is there any interest in any of my patches? |
11:50:55 | turbotoast | so, what do I have to do to put music on it? I browsed the manual but can't find anything |
11:51:12 | ddalton | copy and paste maybe! :-) |
11:51:20 | turbotoast | ah, cool |
11:51:20 | AceNik | turbotast, just dum music anywhere anyfolder |
11:51:33 | turbotoast | so I just make a folder called music and put all in? |
11:51:38 | rasher | amiconn: I imagine the c200 doesn't have button-light - I simply mirrored the changes in english.lang |
11:51:42 | ddalton | what ever you like |
11:51:49 | AceNik | turbotoast: thats fine |
11:51:51 | bluebrother | just put it on the player. |
11:52:09 | turbotoast | cool. guess I'm not used to so much user-friendliness on my ipod :D |
11:52:27 | bluebrother | if you want to be able using the music from the apple firmware you need to keep something maintaining the ItunesDB. |
11:52:30 | AceNik | bluebrother: do you have a h10[20GB] ? |
11:52:35 | pixelma | rasher: maybe it's not implemented yet but the c200 has buttonlight (see http://www.shop3000.de/images/handy/mp3-sd-C240.jpg ) |
11:52:43 | bluebrother | if you don't care about that use any method you like. |
11:52:56 | rasher | pixelma: probably just not implemented yet then |
11:53:07 | turbotoast | okay, let's see...I have to build the rockbox database after copying, I think? |
11:53:14 | ddalton | yeah |
11:53:32 | SofianBabai | ho rasher , amiconn: since you're looking after the voices files, don't you think that putting the replace strings you have put in the voice-pl in a separate "dictionnary file" like a .dic could be a good idea? |
11:53:48 | AceNik | amiconn: you have a h10 right? |
11:53:50 | SofianBabai | it will be easier to add, delete edit replace strings for newbies |
11:53:54 | SofianBabai | i think |
11:54:21 | pixelma | rasher: I think so too, wondered also a bit about it |
11:54:55 | rasher | SofianBabai: since the replacements are perl code, I don't think we'd gain much to be honest |
11:55:03 | SofianBabai | i can't figure out how to manage those stings proprely to have my voice files well pronounced |
11:55:26 | AceNik | uys would the simulator emulate the same problems faced by the player in terms of functionality |
11:55:41 | SofianBabai | in the vbs before, it was easier to manage them |
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11:56:03 | SofianBabai | couldn't we imagine a simplest way to do ? |
11:56:05 | rasher | SofianBabai: I don't see how. It's done using the exact same mechanisms. Only the syntax is slightly different |
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11:58:30 | SofianBabai | rasher: could we have a little discussion 'bout this one day? gotta go :( |
11:59:02 | SofianBabai | just to help me to add a french section in the pl file. it will help me and others too |
11:59:08 | turbotoast | it worked! |
11:59:12 | turbotoast | thanks a bunch, you guys! |
11:59:15 | SofianBabai | see you all and thanks for the help |
11:59:15 | turbotoast | this rocks ;) |
11:59:29 | turbotoast | great product, and great support to go allong |
11:59:31 | turbotoast | along* |
11:59:33 | turbotoast | bye! |
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11:59:55 | rasher | SofianBabai: Maybe taking it up on the mailinglist is a better idea. |
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12:01:20 | rasher | I really don't see a nice way to put perl statements into an external dictionary though |
12:02:53 | pixelma | isn't that also dependent on the specific tts engine a bit? |
12:05:11 | rasher | Yeah. The script has sections for all->language->tts->vendor(in the case of tts=sapi) |
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12:05:42 | ddalton | can someone close p6097? See my last comment for details on why. |
12:05:49 | JdGordon | amiconn: im 99.9% sure this doesnt break charcell, and it works in the sim, so im going to commit it... youve got full permissions to be pissed if it breaks :) |
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12:10:46 | delYsid | ddalton: I never got any pm from you |
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12:11:12 | bluebrother | ddalton: you are not registered so you can't send pm's |
12:11:27 | AceNik | JdGordon: did you please see the bug i told you about |
12:11:28 | bluebrother | s/registered/identified/ |
12:12:00 | JdGordon | AceNik: yes i saw it.. ill investigate on the weekend if i remember (h10 isnt a high priority for me) |
12:12:42 | AceNik | JdGordon: ok thank you |
12:13:35 | bluebrother | ddalton: task closed. Btw, if you use the prefix "FS#" instead of "p" it gets automatically linked. |
12:13:48 | amiconn | JdGordon: too impatient? |
12:13:59 | JdGordon | yes |
12:14:06 | ddalton | amiconn: Can you have a look at the task I just opened? |
12:14:50 | ddalton | delYsid: Can you go on the other channel I want to ask you a question. |
12:16:50 | JdGordon | thats an odd delta! |
12:18:55 | delYsid | ddalton: sure, which channel? |
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12:20:39 | ddalton | delYsid: #rockbox-community |
12:21:12 | stuporglue | When I'm on the WPS, should I be able to press next/prev/etc. ? To go to a different song, I have to go back to the playlist and manually pick one. |
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12:22:55 | pixelma | stuporglue: what type of files do you play |
12:23:01 | stuporglue | ogg, mp3 |
12:23:27 | pixelma | then you should be able to press next, prev etc. |
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12:24:44 | hachi | has anyone studied the difference between mtools and dosfstools for making a fat32 partition? |
12:24:59 | stuporglue | That's what I though. They don't do anything. The buttons themselves work on other screens, and the menu and select keys work on the WPS screen. |
12:25:01 | hachi | I mean, the end result... why rockbox doesn't like the dosfstools stuff |
12:25:11 | bluebrother | stuporglue: check if you have party mode enabled. |
12:25:41 | stuporglue | I did. What does that do? |
12:25:52 | bluebrother | well, you noticed the effect ;) |
12:26:06 | stuporglue | haha. What does that do besides disabling the fwd/back buttons? |
12:26:28 | bluebrother | IIRC makes queue last the default action when selecting songs. |
12:26:38 | bluebrother | check the manual, I haven't used that feature ... |
12:26:55 | stuporglue | ok. Thanks. That makes this work a whole lot better. :D |
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12:49:10 | linuxstb | hachi: No, I don't think anyone has investigated the differences, and IIUC, it's not just Rockbox that complains, it's the Apple firmware as well. |
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12:50:57 | hachi | how did you see my question? you weren't even in the channel |
12:51:21 | hachi | also, thanks much... as a note I figured out why my ipod was acting all corrupt somtimes, and slow to mount |
12:51:22 | linuxstb | This channel is logged. |
12:51:34 | linuxstb | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ |
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12:52:01 | hachi | mformat -t was specifying the track count for the partition that was being formatted... and the mformat options on the wiki waid to do like -t 2032 or something |
12:52:22 | hachi | and fact of the matter was, I only had 2010 available, so it was making a partition bigger than the device or something |
12:53:19 | hachi | as usual, reading the docs gave me a good smack upside the head and made me realize what I had done wrong |
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13:08:48 | wraith | Hey |
13:09:28 | wraith | Is there a way to see what applications or programs are using an ipod? (preventing disconnection) |
13:09:41 | dionoea | what os do you use ? |
13:09:57 | GodEater | wraith: if you're on windows look for "who lock me" |
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13:10:37 | wraith | windows |
13:11:35 | GodEater | www.dr-hoiby.com/WhoLockMe/ |
13:11:38 | SofianBabai | rasher: about dictionnaries and voice files, i'hve already atempted to take it uun on the dev mailing list.... no result. but, never mind, i'll try manage it by myself |
13:15:00 | wraith | appears nothing is 'locking' it |
13:16:38 | GodEater | wraith: then you should be able to eject it |
13:20:49 | oskie | just placed my order on the e280... :] |
13:21:21 | SofianBabai | how do i register my nick on the channel please ? |
13:22:01 | GodEater | SofianBabai: /msg nickserv help |
13:22:13 | SofianBabai | thanks |
13:22:29 | SofianBabai | *msg nickserv help |
13:22:37 | SofianBabai | whoops |
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13:24:21 | SofianBabai | nickserv register |
13:24:58 | GodEater | SofianBabai: try "/query nickserv" instead |
13:25:02 | GodEater | and do it all in the new window |
13:25:17 | SofianBabai | your definetely right :) |
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13:43:43 | dionoea | JdGordon: does your touchpad patch also render the mouse on screen ? (looks like it doesn't from looking at the patch). Also, does any target (other than sims) have a 2D touchpad (or touchscreen)? |
13:44:36 | B4gder | the mrobe 500 apparently does |
13:44:55 | Nico_P | is there a start of a port for it ? |
13:45:06 | dionoea | i was going to ask that question :) |
13:45:20 | B4gder | JdGordon got one, and at least one more core rockboxer does |
13:45:40 | B4gder | TI dm320 based target |
13:47:01 | bluebrother | hmm, why not use the right mouse button for long click? |
13:47:31 | dionoea | that would be hard to emulate on a touchpad (unless you use some two finger action like some laptops do) |
13:47:58 | GodEater | I think bluebrother meant in the sim only |
13:48:14 | bluebrother | yep. As that patch is sim only right now. |
13:48:33 | dionoea | well it has the ifdef(TOUCHPAD) too :) |
13:48:36 | bluebrother | for a touchpad I imagine you would rather use a double click |
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14:07:45 | mikae1 | is anyone doing any progress with the 3g nano? |
14:08:03 | scorche | no |
14:08:06 | mikae1 | what is the hardware like? |
14:09:37 | linuxstb | new |
14:09:41 | JdGordon | bluebrother: yeah, i was tihnking right click might be ok for the sim... unless im mistaken, (or without a bit of hacks) you cant do "long click" in sdl which is what would be best |
14:10:43 | mikae1 | linuxstb: an undocumented i suppose? |
14:13:37 | B4gder | mikae1: all ipods are undocumented |
14:14:00 | B4gder | the new ones just a bit more undocumented... |
14:14:08 | B4gder | and encrypted |
14:17:44 | GodEater | by "a bit more undocumented" you mean "not even documented unofficially by very clever people doing lots of reverse engineering" ;) |
14:18:13 | B4gder | yes, and the fact that some of the ipods actually use codecs that are similar to ones that are documented (iirc) |
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14:35:38 | GodEater | OT Request - Anyone doing large scale ESX Server virtual workstations deployment? If so - please either PM me, or come to -community. |
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14:37:48 | * | JdGordon fears he will have to add some _pre stuff back into the code for the mouse stuff :( |
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14:40:24 | JdGordon | woo! long mouse press working |
14:45:42 | JdGordon | So, I guess I should ask... does anyone object to the mouse in the sim stuff? |
14:46:16 | gammy | what is it for? |
14:46:41 | gammy | as a replacement for key simulation? |
14:47:03 | JdGordon | not a replacement... just another option |
14:47:18 | gammy | Alright |
14:47:31 | gammy | I have never used the sim stuff yet |
14:47:41 | gammy | but I am going to play with it on saturday I think |
14:48:58 | mikae1 | saw that the database ipod classic hash issue had been solved at least |
14:48:59 | mikae1 | http://www.monroe.nu/archives/110-iPod-Classic-Will-Be-Supported.html |
14:49:18 | Llorean | mikae1: Th issue has nothing to do with Rockbox though |
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14:53:23 | B4gder | it is amusing though since people occasionally claim Apple is open-source friendly |
14:53:44 | B4gder | like they use lots of open source |
14:54:14 | mikae1 | i guess it's the whole freebsd/darwin thing |
14:54:40 | mikae1 | they're pretty good at collecting goodwill, not sure why |
14:55:02 | * | GodEater refrains from saying what he thinks about apple fanboys |
14:55:08 | mikae1 | actually, i'm sitting at a mac pro right no, at work |
14:55:19 | mikae1 | at home i use a mac mini, but i'm thinking about switching back to xp again |
14:56:51 | * | B4gder uses linux |
14:56:52 | mikae1 | on a some sort of midi tower with a decent graphics card |
14:57:53 | mikae1 | to get that without a crappy glossy screen (read: the imac) you have to buy a mac pro |
14:58:29 | Zagor | hmm, I just failed installing on my c200. copying firmware.mi4 to the recovery partition had no effect. (is the file supposed be gone the next time you look?) |
14:58:50 | JdGordon | yes it is |
14:58:59 | JdGordon | unless its different from the e200? |
14:59:01 | B4gder | Zagor: yes, when you disconnect it should be removed/installed |
14:59:09 | Zagor | should I do anything with the version.txt file that is there? |
14:59:18 | B4gder | no |
14:59:35 | B4gder | is that really in recovery mode? |
14:59:45 | Zagor | yes |
14:59:46 | B4gder | I don't remember any files present on the e200 in recovery mode |
14:59:58 | mikae1 | i've tried coping with linux a couple of times, it still is too much hassle for me |
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15:00:02 | Zagor | there's a version.txt both in normal usb mode and in recovery mode |
15:00:03 | * | mikae1 will be beaten |
15:00:06 | B4gder | I'll admit it was a while since I tried that |
15:00:42 | Zagor | tried again - no effect. OF comes up. |
15:01:15 | B4gder | Zagor: the only other little thing I can think of, is that on the e200 they called the firmware file pp5022.mi4 before they renamed it to firmware.mi4 |
15:01:20 | mikae1 | B4agder: linux? |
15:01:29 | B4gder | mikae1: ? |
15:02:29 | mikae1 | B4gder: you wrote: "i'll admit it was a while since i tried that" and i thought you meant linux |
15:02:46 | Zagor | B4gder: they=sandisk? you mean I should try that name instead of firmware.mi4 then? |
15:02:48 | B4gder | mikae1: I dropped the off-topic stuff for topic things |
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15:03:07 | B4gder | Zagor: exactly, it could be an issue of that sort I'm saying |
15:05:09 | Zagor | well, using the name pp5022.mi4 it said "upgrade completed", which it didn't say before. but it still starts OF. |
15:05:46 | B4gder | ok, that indicates a different bootloader version |
15:05:55 | B4gder | and then it may want/need a different mi4 key for the mi4 file |
15:06:00 | Zagor | aha |
15:06:14 | B4gder | the e200 name switch got a key switch at the same time |
15:06:52 | B4gder | so a task for you is to extract your bootloader from the hidden partition |
15:07:16 | Zagor | my c200 looks pretty old. version.txt says "Build Date: 2006.10.04" |
15:07:26 | Zagor | the sdb2 one? |
15:07:30 | B4gder | yes |
15:07:42 | B4gder | if we have the BL and a working mi4 it can load, we can scan for the correct key |
15:07:46 | Zagor | just dd the entire partition, or something else? |
15:07:54 | B4gder | dd it first |
15:07:55 | * | amiconn thinks that rombox on iAudio X5/M5 should be fairly easy |
15:08:33 | B4gder | I gotta go |
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15:17:09 | linuxstb | amiconn: How much flash do they have? |
15:18:04 | amiconn | More than enough... at least 2MB |
15:18:34 | amiconn | Not all of that is usable if we want to just let the cowon loader do the flashing, but we have at least as much as the OF's size |
15:18:43 | amiconn | ...which is almost 1.6MB for X5 |
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15:40:13 | DerPapst | morning |
15:40:29 | DerPapst | greetings from jaroslavl :) |
15:40:51 | * | DerPapst runs |
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15:48:28 | low_light | Zagor: early c200 firmware use a different mi4 key. You need to upgrade the OF to a more current version (both pribootloader.rom & firmware.mi4). |
15:48:56 | Zagor | aha. can I do that in linux or do I need their updater? |
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15:50:18 | low_light | you can do it on linux using recovery mode |
15:50:49 | low_light | Zagor: download from here http://files.zefie.com/PMP/sansa/c200/ |
15:51:20 | low_light | I think 1.01.00 is the latest "official" version |
15:51:47 | low_light | .05 or .06 disables usb msc mode |
15:51:55 | low_light | avoid those |
15:52:04 | Zagor | ok |
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15:54:28 | Zagor | low_light: so I copy all four upgrade files to recovery mode? |
15:54:53 | Zagor | i.e. font.fnt and header.txt too? |
15:54:54 | low_light | yes. even the fonts file |
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15:58:24 | Zagor | yay, works now. thanks |
15:59:46 | Zagor | what is system/OF.bin? |
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16:00:41 | Zagor | can I copy the sansa firmware.mi4 there to make it run from usb mode? |
16:00:44 | pixelma | low_light: is the microSD slot in the c200 already supported in Rockbox? |
16:02:06 | amiconn | low_light: Do we know the key for the earlier firmwares? |
16:02:12 | low_light | Zagor: yes. You will rename the original firmware.mi4 to OF.mi4 and put it in System/. However, booting the OF does not work right now. |
16:02:32 | Zagor | ah, too bad |
16:03:11 | low_light | pixelma: maybe :). I don't have one to try. There were some slight changes from the e200, but I've got my fingers crossed that it works |
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16:04:25 | low_light | amiconn: no, but Bagder/MrH should be able to get them. |
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16:05:41 | pixelma | low_light: could make updating to a newer build easy if you also have an external card reader |
16:06:29 | delYsid | There is no context that would bind scrollwheel to prev/next and left/right to something like inc and DEC, is there? |
16:06:40 | delYsid | If not, how do I create a custom context? |
16:07:22 | low_light | pixelma: yes it would |
16:09:07 | low_light | I think the problem may be that the OF uses parts of iram that were set up by the bootloader and the rockbox bootloader overwrites that area |
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16:10:50 | Bagder | low_light: mi4code can scan for the key just fine if we just have the bl and the mi4 |
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16:15:53 | low_light | Bagder: ok...at some point I'll have to go through the firmware revisions on zefie's site |
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16:39:41 | delYsid | for the FM Tuner Jingle support to get accepted, what do people think, should we have a setting to allow the user to disable/enable jingle playback? |
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16:53:51 | Llorean | delYsid: I think it needs to be a bit more flexible still. For example, right now if I simply label my stations by content ("Oldies" "Rock" "Hip Hop") and want station jingles, I need to rename my stations so that they have unique identifiers, right? |
16:53:55 | Artanicus | hia.. How long should the first shutdown after creating the database take? Sofar its been "Shutting down" for about 10 mins.. seems a bit odd |
16:54:04 | preglow | Bagder: what, now YOU are asking me google-style questions too= :P |
16:54:18 | Llorean | preglow: I know, they looked a bit familiar, didn't they. :) |
16:54:19 | Bagder | haha, yeah |
16:54:30 | * | Bagder is a secret google agent |
16:55:10 | Llorean | delYsid: I don't know the internals of FM, but does it know which preset file you're using? You could use a folder sharing the preset file name, then the jingle based on the frequency perhaps? (Assuming this is even possible) |
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16:57:43 | delYsid | Llorean: well, to your first question, yes, the jingle filename has to match the station name. |
16:58:03 | delYsid | at least in my country, this makes a lot of sense, since some stations are available in every city, and some are just city specific. |
16:58:32 | delYsid | so I can have a bunch of jingles and just switch my preset file based on where I am, and I can share the jingles that are common to the country pretty easily. |
16:59:37 | Llorean | delYsid: In that case it could be hierarchal. If it's in /jingles/ then it uses station name, if it's in /jingles/preset_name/ then it uses the frequency? |
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17:00:13 | delYsid | well, that should be fairly easy to implement |
17:00:42 | Llorean | Of course, I'm just offering suggestions for improvement, I doubt this would bar committing if it weren't implemented, if someone wants to commit the feature. |
17:00:43 | delYsid | just strip of the .fmr and use that as directory name... |
17:03:12 | low_light | why not extend the format of the fmr file...hz:name:jingle |
17:04:08 | delYsid | low_light: because I think its not necessary, you can just lookup a filename based on stationname |
17:04:26 | delYsid | and user files dont break... |
17:07:29 | Artanicus | well, the shutdown just keeps on going and nothing is happening.. Any way I can force it to actually just cut power? iPod color in use, software downloaded 15mins ago |
17:10:12 | Artanicus | ..or do I just have to leave it on a shelf for a week and wait out the battery to depleat? :) |
17:10:14 | markun | linuxstb_: are you there? |
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17:11:58 | markun | does anyone want to comment on this before I commit? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/asf_rg.diff |
17:12:04 | markun | (replaygain for WMA) |
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17:17:26 | Llorean | markun: Is there anything that does replaygain scans for WMA files? |
17:17:36 | markun | I used foobar2000 |
17:17:47 | Llorean | Ah, I thought someone tried it and it said WMA tag writing wasn't supported |
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17:18:03 | markun | Llorean: that was me... using an old version :) |
17:18:59 | markun | WMA replaygain works in rockbox (except for the files not sounding equally loud, even in foobar) |
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17:19:25 | Artanicus | sorry to repeat and nag, but my ipod is slowly dying.. is there no way to force a shutdown short of opening the case and prying the battery off? |
17:19:40 | markun | Llorean: maybe I'll even write a rockbox replaygain plugin (for use in the sim mainly I guess) |
17:20:22 | pixelma | Artanicus: you can always reset your Ipod |
17:20:42 | Artanicus | pixelma, so it will work even though its stuck on shutting down rockbox? |
17:21:19 | markun | Artanicus: only one way to find out :) |
17:21:23 | Artanicus | heh.. true |
17:22:21 | Llorean | Artanicus: The reset button combination should work no matter what. |
17:22:50 | Llorean | markun: If you do, it might be able to be adapted as a plugin for RBUtil too. :) |
17:23:24 | pixelma | markun: maybe saratoga would like to comment before? |
17:23:33 | Artanicus | Llorean, thats start+menu together? Nope, no response.. I even tried pressing all keys at the same time for a minute, zero response |
17:23:52 | markun | pixelma: yes, I'll wait for that |
17:24:01 | Llorean | Artanicus: Pressing all keys together won't work. There is no "Start", but if you mean "Menu+Select", that will work if your iPod is 4G or later if you do it right. |
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17:26:13 | Artanicus | Llorean, thanks, that worked.. (: |
17:26:24 | Llorean | It always does. ;) |
17:27:06 | Artanicus | yeah, I though so too.. just remembered it wrong afterall, though it was menu+start |
17:27:26 | Llorean | There is no "Start" |
17:27:35 | markun | that's why it didn't work :) |
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17:31:33 | Llorean | markun: I think a replaygain scanner in Rockbox code would be nice though, as for one Linux is apparently lacking a good one, and for two, if RB-as-an-app ever happens, it'll be useful too |
17:34:40 | Artanicus | bah, I constantly say start when I mean play.. (: |
17:35:01 | Artanicus | oh well, now it booted and all is well.. thanks for the help |
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17:44:39 | n1s | Llorean: vorbisgain works wonders in linux :-) |
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17:45:26 | Llorean | n1s: Non-xiph codecs? |
17:46:12 | markun | vorbisgain uses the same code (a bit older version) as mp3gain to calculation the gain |
17:46:13 | n1s | Llorean: dunno, never tried any |
17:46:28 | markun | it has a lot of floats, so needs some work |
17:46:48 | n1s | so the only major difference is the built in decoder? |
17:47:25 | Llorean | In the end, that should be the only difference, right? Decode and analyze, then write the tags. So, one algorithm, but with a variety of decoders and metadata flavours supported? |
17:48:08 | n1s | perhaps it could be a plugin similar to test_codec that uses the codecs we already have to do the decoding |
17:48:46 | n1s | and gets metadata through the plugin api, would be unbearably slow on most targets though |
17:49:08 | Llorean | It would be handy if you added like, one album, and realized you forgot to scan it first, though. |
17:49:39 | n1s | Llorean: or if the port to gigabeat S gets usable :-) |
17:51:17 | markun | n1s: what other option is there? |
17:52:06 | n1s | markun: I dunno, that's the only one I could think of really and it seems fairly KISS too |
17:52:25 | markun | yes, it was also how I planned to do it |
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17:52:34 | Llorean | Hm. |
17:52:38 | markun | *if* I do it ;) |
17:53:21 | barrywardell | Is there any more progress from austriancoder on the usb stack? Is he still working on it? |
17:53:46 | barrywardell | Or even an update on the current status? |
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17:56:56 | petur | I think ac was online today, didn't have time to ask him (by the time I saw he was here he was gone again) |
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18:07:39 | markun | jhulst: any luck with the creative? |
18:09:22 | jhulst | markun: nothing that isn't on the forums, we are still having a heck of a time figuring out how the checksum is calculated |
18:10:17 | jhulst | When I get some time, my next plan is to start doing some disassembly of the firmware to see if we can figure out where the checksum is calculated |
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18:11:12 | markun | jhulst: that was also how the checksum for the Gigabeat was found |
18:11:19 | markun | (with an ARM emulator) |
18:11:54 | markun | (and not by me) |
18:11:57 | jhulst | you actually ran the code with an emulator? That would be helpful, do you have a link to the emulator? |
18:12:12 | markun | maybe it's in our IRC logs |
18:12:20 | markun | but I'm afraid we didn't log back then |
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18:15:40 | pixelma | n1s: wouldn't that have been better to put him into the CREDITS-MANUAL file? |
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18:20:50 | jas4711 | Hi. Does anyone know about port status to the newer hard drive based archos player? I'm thinking of getting myself an Archos 605. Any possibility that rockbox will work on it? |
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18:22:09 | Domonoky | jas4711: nobody is woking on it.. |
18:23:33 | markun | jas4711: but check-out archopen.org |
18:23:49 | jas4711 | ok thanks for replying. there doesn't seem to be many options if you want a >>100gb mp3 player, ipod or archos. |
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18:24:24 | jas4711 | yup been there, but they only support older devices. |
18:24:29 | linuxstb | markun: I've just looked at your replaygain patch... I'm not sure if I completely understand what should be going on, but the call to replaygain_parse is storing the value in id3buf, but then this will be overwritten by the next metadata tag the asf parser parses. I think you can just pass NULL instead of id3buf. |
18:25:27 | markun | linuxstb: I thought id3buf was just used as a temporary buffer, but I'll look at it again |
18:25:57 | markun | by repplaygain_parse I mean |
18:26:24 | linuxstb | I'm just looking again - possibly ignore what I just said... |
18:27:13 | markun | I also wasn't sure what it wanted the buffer for |
18:27:30 | markun | and what happens when we run out of remaining space in id3buf.. |
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18:30:00 | Lear | Not knowing what the patch really does, but replaygain_parse writes text to a buffer for use in the WPS or the ID3 info screen. |
18:30:06 | linuxstb | It should just fail to parse things if the buffer becomes full. |
18:30:42 | linuxstb | Lear: But the input to the function is a buffer containing the text... |
18:31:16 | linuxstb | So I'm guessing in this case, we don't want replaygain_parse to copy the text, but use the original copy. |
18:31:18 | Lear | The "buffer" argument is an output buffer. Thought you talked about that one. |
18:31:47 | linuxstb | We are, but in the case of asf, the input buffer is already in id3buf, so can be used directly. |
18:32:06 | markun | linuxstb: but with clipping prevention the original value might not be valid anymore |
18:32:39 | linuxstb | But replaygain_parse just does "strncpy(buffer, value, len);" |
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18:32:54 | kreativefinally | yo |
18:33:02 | kreativefinally | im having problems |
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18:33:24 | kreativefinally | my battery cant hold a charge when playing roxbox |
18:33:56 | linuxstb | My understanding is that when calling replaygain_parse from the asf parser, we can pass NULL for buffer, and then change replaygain_parse to check for a NULL output buffer, and in that case, just do *p = value (instead of *p = buffer and the strncpy) |
18:34:22 | markun | kreativefinally: which player? |
18:34:43 | Lear | Or do like mp4, and call parse_replaygain with same value for "value" and "buffer". |
18:34:50 | markun | (and it's roCKbox) |
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18:35:40 | n1s | pixelma: hmm, right forgot about that one, should he be in the CREDITS_MANUAL only or in both? |
18:35:41 | linuxstb | Lear: Wouldn't it be better to pass NULL in mp4 as well, to avoid the strncpy/ |
18:35:45 | linuxstb | ? |
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18:36:22 | Lear | Maybe, but the cost is negligible... |
18:36:34 | kreativefinally | ipod 5g |
18:37:23 | markun | kreativefinally: rockbox is quite a bit less efficient on the ipod 5g compared to the original firmware. How big is the difference? |
18:38:50 | kreativefinally | markun: after i turn off the ipod. leave it sit for a few hours, come back and its dead |
18:38:53 | linuxstb | Lear: Maybe, in which case, the asf parser could just copy the logic in the mp4 parser. |
18:39:38 | pixelma | n1s: I just saw that it was a manual contribution so I thought it was more suitable there, don't have a strong opinion whether he should be in both or not. In case you change something in that file, you could maybe put the name of the patch submitter of petur's manual commit (on friday, I think) in it too |
18:40:33 | linuxstb | kreativefinally: The Apple firmware (actually the bootloader) has a bug where it misreports a low battery. Try resetting it with MENU+SELECT. |
18:40:38 | n1s | pixelma: Ok, I'll add him there and leave regular CREDITS for now, actually I don't even understand why we have different credit lits... |
18:40:44 | n1s | s/lits/lists |
18:41:10 | kreativefinally | It doesnt show a low battery, it just wont boot or load until i charge it. |
18:41:33 | pixelma | n1s: one for the frontpage (or almost) of the manual and one for a long list in the appendix ;) |
18:42:08 | n1s | pixelma: "People that have contributed to the project, one way or another. Friends!" is the first line of CREDITS so I guess they should be in both |
18:42:12 | linuxstb | kreativefinally: Have you tried resetting it when it is in that state? |
18:42:58 | pixelma | n1s: think so too |
18:43:28 | kreativefinally | yes, the reset doesnt work, i cant even get diskmode loaded |
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18:49:43 | Febs | kreativefinally: when my ipod is in that state, reset works. If the battery is truly low, it will flash a low battery screen and shut down. If the battery has a charge but the ipod thinks its low because of the bug, reset will work normally. |
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19:29:36 | SofianBabai | could someone remind me the syntax to execute a perl script ? is it perl scriptname.pl? |
19:30:32 | GodEater_ | Soap: that would work |
19:30:39 | GodEater_ | SofianBabai: sorry - that was to you |
19:30:42 | GodEater_ | Soap: Sorry! |
19:31:09 | SofianBabai | bizarre the script i'm executing seems to work but it finally do anything :) |
19:32:23 | amiconn | n1s: Why do we have 2 CREDITS lists in the first place? |
19:32:51 | n1s | amiconn: I actually have no idea |
19:33:14 | pixelma | I already answered that indirectly |
19:34:06 | GodEater_ | we have the cool people credits |
19:34:09 | GodEater_ | and everyone else ;) |
19:34:13 | n1s | pixelma: the list is not used in the manual |
19:34:20 | pixelma | at least this is how they are used |
19:34:24 | n1s | afaics |
19:34:53 | krazykit | SofianBabai, if it's done right, you really only need ./scriptname.pl |
19:34:56 | pixelma | hmm... I thought it was (maybe it was a plan once) |
19:34:57 | n1s | i mean the manual-only list |
19:35:02 | GodEater_ | krazykit: depends on os |
19:35:19 | krazykit | which one is the silly one? |
19:36:15 | SofianBabai | krazykit: it's okay, your right |
19:36:40 | SofianBabai | but the script seems to work as if it was in simulation mode :) is it possible |
19:36:43 | SofianBabai | ? |
19:37:01 | krazykit | "simulation mode"? like, it appears to run but doesn't actually do anything? |
19:37:36 | SofianBabai | krazykit: it creates folders but everything seems to be removed when finished :) |
19:37:57 | SofianBabai | I may have done someting wrong but i've just edited an existing script |
19:38:43 | krazykit | hm. can't really help much with perl troubleshooting :-/ |
19:38:53 | SofianBabai | :) |
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19:39:05 | GodEater_ | I used to think understanding perl was cool |
19:39:07 | SofianBabai | np |
19:39:10 | GodEater_ | now I know better |
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19:42:09 | SofianBabai | maybe the script is too old.... it works but it seems not to generate voice clips .... |
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19:52:12 | Domonoky | SofianBabai: what do you want to generate ? a voicefile, or talk clips for speaking of dirs and files ? |
19:52:51 | Domonoky | for talkclips you could try rbutil.. i can generate talk files, but only with filte or espeak.. :-) |
19:53:32 | SofianBabai | domonoky: i still want to build voice files for some targets and automate the task. godeater gave me a script to do that automatically but i think it has not been updated |
19:53:56 | SofianBabai | Laughing Out Loud i have harassed everybody with that all the day sory :) |
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19:54:34 | Domonoky | ah, voicefiles, they are now generated with the normal configure/mak script.. |
19:55:10 | SofianBabai | yes but i have three voices to generate and with cygwin .... long .... long.... :) |
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19:56:10 | Domonoky | does it really take this long ? voice building can use a pool to reuse generated clips.. |
19:56:42 | Domonoky | and the configure/make thing can easily be automated with a little script.. |
19:57:15 | SofianBabai | hmmm ieasily.... i'm sure your right ! :) |
19:57:28 | amiconn | SofianBabai: Voice file generation on cygwin is quite fast now if you use sapi voices |
19:58:01 | amiconn | For SAPI5, that is |
19:58:07 | SofianBabai | i use sapi voices... ok... i may exagerate a bit when i say long :) |
19:58:23 | SofianBabai | but i'm kind of lazy man :) |
19:58:25 | delYsid | good work needs time :-) |
19:58:31 | SofianBabai | :) |
19:58:36 | amiconn | On my box a _full_ build of one voice takes ~2 minutes |
19:58:57 | delYsid | amiconn: about the same here with swift and native linux |
19:58:59 | amiconn | Faster for subsequent targets when using the pool |
19:59:05 | delYsid | but I actually never measured it |
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19:59:30 | SofianBabai | here with a sapi voice it must take 10 15 mn |
19:59:45 | amiconn | ? |
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20:00:27 | amiconn | Then you either have an incredibly slow PC (my figures are on a >3 years old laptop), or not using latest svn scripts |
20:00:52 | delYsid | or a slow sapi backend :-) |
20:01:05 | delYsid | there are actually voices that are very expensive to run, like RealSpeak |
20:01:09 | Domonoky | or sapi4.. that realtime.. :-) |
20:01:23 | amiconn | I am measuring with AT&T, and their voice databases are huge |
20:01:39 | amiconn | Domonoky: Then the figures are several hours, not minutes anymore |
20:02:14 | SofianBabai | 0i'm using scansoft voice and i think i have the last sscript |
20:02:28 | SofianBabai | my pc is a PIV 3ghz |
20:02:47 | amiconn | On a desktop PC of that specs I'd expect a minute or so |
20:03:39 | Lear | eSpeak (via sapi) is really fast on Cygwin. Less than a minute here. |
20:03:47 | SofianBabai | i could retry and measure but it's longer than that here... it says on "generating voices scripts about 10 mn surely |
20:04:01 | amiconn | Then check your script versions, really... |
20:04:09 | SofianBabai | hmmm ok ... |
20:04:41 | SofianBabai | is svn up sufficient, |
20:04:43 | SofianBabai | , |
20:04:45 | SofianBabai | ? |
20:04:49 | markun | SofianBabai: no other stuff running in the background? |
20:05:28 | SofianBabai | sure yes there're stuff running |
20:09:00 | SofianBabai | what is the best way to get the last version of the script voice.pl |
20:09:06 | SofianBabai | please ? |
20:09:23 | Domonoky | svn up :-) |
20:09:54 | SofianBabai | let's try again :) |
20:11:28 | SofianBabai | ans my modifications of the voice.pl are merged isn't it? |
20:12:27 | Domonoky | yes.. |
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20:16:39 | SofianBabai | after inputting "make voice", is it normal that the soft talks about bmp file ? |
20:17:18 | SofianBabai | htere is a long moment before the voice generation starts |
20:17:57 | SofianBabai | make[1]: `rdf2binary' is up to date. |
20:18:05 | SofianBabai | ... this kind of things |
20:18:18 | Llorean | Yes, it has to do other things before it starts. |
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20:19:49 | rasher | Bagder had a look at why it generates bitmaps, but fixing it would be a lot of work |
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20:20:19 | SofianBabai | i understand |
20:24:09 | SofianBabai | but with all those stuff it has to do before, i definetely don't understand how you can have voice files generated in 2 minutes, with cygwin using windows xp |
20:24:23 | SofianBabai | kind of mystery |
20:24:42 | Llorean | SofianBabai: Don't assume that because your computer does it slowly, it's a slow process. |
20:24:43 | SofianBabai | anyway, thanks you all for all the nice support |
20:24:55 | SofianBabai | gotta go see you later |
20:25:08 | amiconn | The C200 LCD driver has quite some optimisation potential... |
20:25:20 | Llorean | The c200 LCD is... kinda ugly. |
20:25:25 | Llorean | I finally saw one in a store. |
20:25:39 | amiconn | Me too, and I don't find it ugly |
20:25:54 | amiconn | (other than my usual complaint about pitch-black colour LCDs) |
20:26:17 | * | amiconn wonders why sandisk chose the PP's greyscale LCD bridge over the colour LCD bridge |
20:26:25 | Llorean | The one I saw had very dull colors compared to my color targets. |
20:26:30 | Llorean | Kinda washed out looking |
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21:05:50 | Shoopuf | I would like to download Rockbox but I don't really know what model my iPod is. :P It says "nano" on the box, it's 8GB, but on the download page it only says "nano 1st gen" and I'm not sure what generation mine is −− I bought it in february. |
21:06:10 | rasher | Is it all metal? |
21:06:30 | Shoopuf | Yes, all metal, black. |
21:06:38 | rasher | Then it's a second generation and will not work |
21:06:49 | Shoopuf | Ahh OK. :[ Thanks anyway then. |
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21:10:10 | GodEater_ | rasher: even the 8GB ives it away |
21:10:17 | GodEater_ | *gives |
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21:10:29 | rasher | Ah true |
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21:45:44 | Shijima | hi room |
21:47:15 | Shijima | I need some help anyone with the current build of rockbox |
21:47:42 | * | linuxstb shines his crystal ball |
21:48:21 | Bagder | and the answer is... 42! |
21:48:21 | Shijima | i need to know how to get my pacman running |
21:49:11 | * | amiconn spots Bagder around |
21:49:24 | linuxstb | Shijima: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox |
21:49:35 | * | Bagder ducks |
21:49:40 | amiconn | Bagder: While I would like to commit the mod player, I'm not sure about licensing |
21:49:51 | Shijima | thanx |
21:50:00 | amiconn | fs #5241 |
21:50:33 | amiconn | In the header it says: "Sequencer taken from Gravis Ultrasound open source mod player (forgot the name, if anyone finds out, please insert *g* )" |
21:51:50 | linuxstb | amiconn: Have you tried to find that player? |
21:52:06 | amiconn | yes |
21:52:07 | Bagder | there seem to be several |
21:52:08 | amiconn | Ho |
21:52:15 | amiconn | wever, I could not find it |
21:52:39 | Bagder | Gravis Ultrasound is just a card and I find at least three mod players for it |
21:52:40 | amiconn | It's definitely not gmod, a that is both more capable, and C++ |
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21:53:57 | Bagder | tried searching for file names etc? |
21:54:10 | preglow | more than three mod players for gus |
21:54:14 | preglow | there were tons |
21:54:22 | Bagder | indeed |
21:54:35 | Bagder | google lists loads of them |
21:55:16 | linuxstb | It seems odd that the original author had the source for a player, but doesn't know the name. |
21:55:20 | amiconn | I tried searching for function names. No hits at all |
21:55:32 | Xerion | i still have a gravis ultrasound <3 |
21:55:35 | preglow | is this the player myth submitted? |
21:55:52 | linuxstb | yes |
21:55:57 | preglow | then it's probably some private stuff coded by kb once upon a time |
21:56:15 | amiconn | kb? |
21:56:18 | preglow | weird he wouldn't remember that, though... |
21:56:24 | preglow | amiconn: german scene coder |
21:56:32 | Xerion | what was wrong with the player based on dumb made quite some time ago? |
21:56:36 | rasher | http://membres.lycos.fr/matkeupon/src/smash/ this seems to be based on the same |
21:56:43 | Xerion | it did seem to play the few mods i tried |
21:57:27 | amiconn | I don't know of any working rockbox mod player based on dumb |
21:58:09 | Xerion | maybe i'm remembering things wrong :) |
21:58:20 | amiconn | Dumb was checked into svn ages ago, as a basis for a mod player. Nothing happened for a long time, and dumb was removed from svn again |
21:58:27 | Xerion | i see |
21:58:38 | Xerion | too bad :) |
21:59:16 | amiconn | This mod codec doesn't support nearly as many formats as dumb would, but it works |
21:59:42 | amiconn | It just supports soundtracker/noisetracker/protracker/startrekker, and fasttracker 1 |
21:59:52 | preglow | xm :/ |
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22:00:08 | preglow | amiconn: too bad playback.c is ill-equipped for this kind of format yet, though |
22:00:10 | amiconn | That'd be fasttracker 2 |
22:00:25 | preglow | why, is that so... |
22:01:04 | * | petur still has a bunch of s3m around |
22:01:32 | preglow | i've got a bunch of mod, stm, s3m, xm, and it |
22:03:32 | petur | haven't played any of it in 10 years |
22:03:49 | * | petur wonders if the CD's are even readable.... |
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22:06:20 | amiconn | Bagder: So what do you think about this codec and its license? |
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22:07:53 | Bagder | so it is the one rasher linked to? |
22:08:32 | rasher | Perhaps not, I just used codesearch.google to seek for some values and that came up |
22:09:05 | linuxstb | rasher: I couldn't see any license/copyright text in that source at all though. |
22:09:13 | Bagder | me neither |
22:09:25 | Bagder | http://www.koders.com/ might be a good search alternative to try as well |
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22:12:38 | Darkjedi | Hey, I havent updates my ipod in ages, and have forgoten how to put it into usb mode, anyone care to shed some light? |
22:13:16 | linuxstb | Just plug in the usb cable - it should enter usb mode. Or google for "ipod disk mode". |
22:13:47 | Darkjedi | When I plug the cable in it flashes the usb logo and then shuts off and boots into the apple OS :S |
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22:14:43 | desowin | Darkjedi: linux? |
22:15:13 | Darkjedi | Im running Windows, but i have a really old version of rockbox, should probably update it |
22:15:48 | desowin | ok, rockbox still doesn't own usb code, so it uses apple OF for usb connections |
22:15:52 | linuxstb | Darkjedi: If you're in the Apple OS, then your computer should see the ipod. |
22:16:19 | amiconn | rasher: I'm not sure whether this matches. It's similar (expected given that these are both mod players), but not identical code, even in the functions I'd expect to be nearly identical |
22:16:20 | Darkjedi | It just says "Ok to disconnect" but its not showing up |
22:16:53 | rasher | amiconn: I just found a define with similar values and comment, but they may just come from a common source |
22:17:26 | rasher | (which may very well be something like a spec) |
22:18:11 | rasher | Ah, // This is ripped right out of Protracker. |
22:18:38 | Darkjedi | Ah, must of been the USB port lol, working now thnx :) |
22:18:50 | Darkjedi | might as well update rockbox whilst im at it |
22:19:24 | tumu | anyone tried if http://llvm.org/ compiles rockbox for arm targets? |
22:22:18 | tumu | latest release claims to be stable |
22:22:43 | obo | tumu: I don't think anyone has - it's listed as a potential GSoC task for next year |
22:22:52 | Darkjedi | If i have the bootloader already on my ipod can i just put a new .rockbox onto the root and that will update it? |
22:23:18 | pixelma | depends on how old your bootloader is |
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22:23:35 | Darkjedi | not sure lol, anyway i can check? |
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22:23:57 | linuxstb | Darkjedi: No, run ipodpatcher and select "i" to install - that will update the bootloader. (see the manual for info) |
22:24:08 | Darkjedi | ok ty |
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22:26:25 | Bagder | http://hardware.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=299877&cid=20636025 |
22:26:30 | Bagder | rockbox comments again |
22:28:00 | Shijima | linuxstb do I need pacbox also and I only have 5 of the 6 files shown on the page the bottom pacman.6j is not in any of the files i got what should i do |
22:29:33 | [cc] | haha |
22:29:34 | [cc] | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/0825305888/sr=8-1/qid=1190060560/ref=dp_image_text_0/104-5800751-0189548?ie=UTF8&n=283155&s=books&qid=1190060560&sr=8-1 |
22:29:42 | [cc] | ah, damnit. wrong channel. Why am I still here? |
22:29:43 | mr_pink | wow, just stumbled upon something old lookin: rockbox.org/manual/ |
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22:30:04 | linuxstb | Shijima: pacbox comes with Rockbox. And you'll need all the files the wiki page states. |
22:30:24 | bluebrother | wow, that is really old. |
22:30:30 | Zagor | mr_pink: Page was last modified "Dec 9 2002" gave it away huh? :) |
22:30:37 | bluebrother | maybe it should redirect to the manual page? ;-) |
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22:31:08 | Shijima | ok yeah I got both the zips but they dont have the last file |
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22:32:39 | Shijima | and I named the folder both pacman and pacbox an neither work |
22:32:59 | Llorean | Shijima: Everything needs to be named exactly as they are in the manual. Getting ahold of the ROMs is your business. |
22:33:13 | Llorean | You're supposed to use ROMs from an arcade machine that you own. |
22:33:28 | Shijima | i am |
22:34:17 | Shijima | I got the rom its mine its works for my pc just cant get it to work on my ipod |
22:34:37 | Llorean | Well, I'm quite certain the arcade machine didn't store its data ZIP compressed. |
22:35:02 | Oldgeek | If someone has a minute, I have a Sansa e280 that goes to a white screen after being "awakened" from a display timeout. Is this a known bug? |
22:35:07 | mr_pink | I find it amazing how many rockbox users own original pacman arcade machines! |
22:35:25 | Shijima | what should i do then i'm lost |
22:35:30 | Llorean | Shijima: You need *all* the files the manual says you need. You said you're short one: That is why it does not work. |
22:35:49 | Llorean | It's pretty clear: If you don't have what the instructions say you need, it will not work. |
22:36:00 | Llorean | Oldgeek: Display timeout? |
22:36:23 | Llorean | Oldgeek: Do you mean "when the backlight comes back on"? |
22:36:45 | Shijima | damn thanx guess i got to go back on the hunt lol thanx again |
22:38:35 | Oldgeek | Yeah, the backlight. Sometimes after the backlight has been off, and I push a button, the screen will illuminate again, but pure white and I can't see the text. If I turn the screen to the side at a sharp angle, I can see there is text there, but the screen is so bright that the text is completely washed out. |
22:39:19 | Llorean | Oldgeek: What SVN revision are you using, and what bootloader version? |
22:40:38 | Llorean | This sounds like an old bug that was fixed quite some time ago. |
22:40:50 | Oldgeek | I was running the SVN version from September 6, 2007 and bootloader from the same day. I loaded the SVN version from yesterday and the problem hasn't reoccurred since, but I was just wondering. |
22:41:22 | Llorean | Hm, it should've been fixed long, long before that. |
22:41:43 | Llorean | If it happens again, file a bug report documenting the conditions and anything useful, especially if you can reproduce it regularly |
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22:43:17 | Oldgeek | Okay great, will do. BTW, to you developers ... thanks for making my barely useable Windows only e280 truly a thing of wonder on Rockbox. It's the most awesome piece of open source I have every used, bar none. |
22:46:17 | amiconn | hrmph |
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22:48:30 | markun | amiconn: what's wrong ami? |
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22:49:07 | blufox_ | whats up |
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22:50:01 | amiconn | Still searching for that mod codec origin |
22:50:31 | amiconn | Of course I could just assume that the gpl is being met because myth added the standard rockbox source header |
22:50:32 | blufox_ | will the ipod classic eventually support rockbox, in your opinion? |
22:51:14 | Bagder | blufox_: we just have no idea |
22:51:25 | Bagder | we don't know of any serious dissect/research done on that player yet |
22:51:58 | blufox_ | ok Bagder, it is pretty probable though, right? |
22:52:17 | Bagder | we don't know of any serious dissect/research done on that player yet |
22:52:25 | Bagder | so how can we tell? |
22:52:27 | petur | seems the database key was already cracked... |
22:52:37 | Bagder | yeah, that was fast |
22:52:57 | blufox_ | I say it's probable just because it's on all the other versions of the ipod |
22:53:08 | Llorean | blufox_: It's new hardware. |
22:53:09 | Bagder | no it isn't |
22:53:19 | Llorean | It shouldn't be seen as "Another iPod" it should be seen as "A whole new player" |
22:53:33 | Darkjedi | They suck anyway lol ;) |
22:53:37 | Darkjedi | get iPhone :) |
22:53:58 | Bagder | that doesn't run rockbox either |
22:54:10 | Bagder | so you get some lame apple firmware attempts |
22:54:19 | Bagder | :-) |
22:54:20 | Darkjedi | doesnt the iPod touch use some of the same hardware as the iPhone, think i read that somewhere |
22:54:30 | Bagder | they're next to identical it seems |
22:54:46 | Bagder | cpu wise at least |
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22:55:15 | Darkjedi | think il just stick with my 60gb video heh |
22:55:37 | blufox_ | do you guys think the new classic is worth a buy? |
22:55:42 | BigBambi | nope |
22:55:45 | BigBambi | No rockbox |
22:56:00 | Llorean | Hardware wise it's really got nothing special, just a big disk |
22:56:02 | markun | blufox_: this is probably not the right place to ask :) |
22:56:03 | Bagder | blufox_: only to rip apart and start working on a rockbox port with |
22:57:40 | amiconn | Bagder: Would this assumption hold? |
22:57:52 | amiconn | (see 7 minutes ago) |
22:58:05 | blufox_ | does anyone know how long it took for the 5.5g ipod to support rockbox from its initial release? |
22:58:20 | Bagder | amiconn: I think it feel like a rather weak assumption, based on that people in general are pretty license ignorant |
22:58:23 | Bagder | it feels |
22:58:32 | amiconn | hmm |
22:58:48 | Bagder | blufox_: a while, but that has no significance in this case really |
22:59:16 | Bagder | because 1) all ports are unique and 2) this platform is much more different than the 5.5 was |
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23:01:16 | Llorean | blufox_: The 5.5G iPod was basically a 5G iPod. A better question would be something like "How long did the H100 port take from when it was started" since, in all honesty, it's possibly the most unique "new port". That or the Gigabeat, right guys? |
23:01:49 | Bagder | the h1x0 was slightly different since that was basically the first swcodec |
23:01:55 | Darkjedi | damn 50gb used on my ipod :A |
23:01:58 | Llorean | That's true. |
23:02:02 | blufox_ | ok, how long did the H100 take to support rockbox from its initial release? |
23:02:12 | Bagder | but the gigabeat should be a fair comparison, but we had/have docs for parts of that |
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23:02:27 | Llorean | But most of the players after the H100 were either based on existing ports (H300, X5, etc), or were based on iPL code or later portalplayer discoveries? |
23:02:42 | Bagder | basically, yes |
23:02:57 | tumu | would sansa fit a SD wifi card hardwired to the microsd port? |
23:03:06 | Bagder | blufox_: "from its initial release" ? to mean *to* its initial release? |
23:03:31 | Bagder | tumu: a microsd card fits, whatever you do with it |
23:03:36 | Llorean | blufox_: It doesn't really matter, each player is almost entirely unique: Different levels of documentation, different discoveries that can't be predicted when they'll be made, encryptions, etc. |
23:03:40 | BigBambi | Probably from work starting to music playback |
23:03:45 | blufox_ | how long did it take to get rockbox on the H100 from the time it went on sale? |
23:03:54 | Bagder | a few years? |
23:03:56 | tumu | Bagder, are there microsd wifi cards? |
23:04:00 | amiconn | Bagder: 'from' was correct |
23:04:03 | Bagder | tumu: I have no idea |
23:04:08 | BigBambi | A better question is from work starting to music playback |
23:04:16 | Bagder | I didn't realize he meant when the h100 was released by iriver |
23:04:17 | amiconn | (had to think a bit about that sentence as well) |
23:04:55 | Bagder | blufox_: but again, the h100 is not a fair comparison in several aspects |
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23:05:09 | BigBambi | Not encrypted for a start |
23:05:15 | Bagder | well scrambled |
23:05:22 | Bagder | but the scrambling was already "cracked" |
23:05:29 | Bagder | and we have docs for the microcontroller |
23:05:36 | BigBambi | sure, but not to the new iPod level |
23:05:57 | Bagder | but for the h100 we had no swcodec architecture in place |
23:06:28 | Bagder | ... which all then goes back to my initial comment: all ports are unique... |
23:06:35 | Bagder | at least they've been so far |
23:06:37 | Llorean | At least all ports so far. :-P |
23:06:45 | Bagder | *g* |
23:06:49 | Llorean | Shoot. |
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23:07:43 | tumu | Bagder, well, found one: http://www.spectec.com.tw/products_detal.asp?dptype=w1sdw823 |
23:08:07 | tumu | os support looks nifty.. :/ |
23:08:55 | * | bluebrother is about to give up on the windows PID thingy |
23:09:00 | Bagder | get the data sheet, write rockbox drivers! ;-) |
23:09:18 | tumu | :) |
23:09:29 | Llorean | Then Rockbox can have *real* podcast support. :-P |
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23:13:50 | Bagder | that's a short question, and the answer is: |
23:13:51 | Bagder | ! |
23:14:11 | Sparky | haha sorry |
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23:20:29 | blufox_ | does anyone know a channel just for general ipod questions? |
23:20:55 | scorche | #apple ? |
23:21:11 | blufox_ | I looked at that, not good |
23:21:19 | blufox_ | thanks though |
23:21:21 | * | scorche shrugs |
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23:25:59 | tumu | Bagder, there seems to be some sdio drivers available: http://sourceforge.net/projects/sdio-linux/ |
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23:29:50 | Bagder | so go ahead, get the card and write the driver! |
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23:30:10 | tumu | the card doesn't seem to be sold yet |
23:30:25 | tumu | tho one could use normal sd card as well |
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23:43:03 | |Marco| | tumu: My e270 uses that type of cards, it would be awsom if/when it's possible to use it in the player :D |
23:43:38 | |Marco| | not that I know squat about HW programming, sorry to say |
23:44:24 | tumu | i looked at the drivers, the hardware interface didn't seem that complex |
23:45:00 | tumu | i believe most work would have to be done on the networking side, ip+tcp etc |
23:45:42 | |Marco| | mhm, in any case, that's not my cup of tea :/ |
23:45:42 | tumu | one could use existing ip stacks for such to reduce the amount of work |
23:46:01 | |Marco| | true |
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23:47:36 | |Marco| | I'm still wondering how on earth they can press all the Wifi tech needed into a so small card :D |
23:48:39 | markun | tumu: maybe this could help http://www.sics.se/~adam/uip/index.php/Main_Page |
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23:49:28 | tumu | markun, yeah, that's one of them |
23:50:44 | markun | tumu: ported to ARM7 http://www.rowley.co.uk/msp430/uip.htm |
23:52:01 | |Marco| | hum, internett radio, playing directly from a smb share or the likings ++ for small players it might be overkill with a browser, but it might hit it for iPod video etc |
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