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| 00:01:03 | TMM | hi all! |
| 00:01:18 | markun | hi |
| 00:03:02 | TMM | I have a question: I want to buy an MP3 player, but it is apparently impossible to get a rockbox supported model in my neck of the woods, iAudio X5 isn't available anymore, the toshiba models aren't etc. I was wondering if there was some guide somewhere about what is required to start a rockbox port. I'm kind of leaning towards the iAudio 7 16Gb model. Is there any chance of cooperation from cowon? I heard that they helped with the X5 ports, but I'm |
| 00:03:03 | TMM | not sure if that's just a rumor |
| 00:03:34 | Bagder | rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort |
| 00:03:44 | Bagder | but its not for the faint of hearts |
| 00:03:51 | TMM | I do know how to code C, and I've dabbed in some X86 assembly, wrote a more-or-less working 16bit 'OS' (well, lots of bios calls) ;) |
| 00:04:06 | TMM | apart from echoing stuff back to the screen it didn't do much though ;) |
| 00:04:26 | Bagder | then you might have what it takes! ;-) |
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| 00:05:57 | linuxstb | TMM: afaik, cowon didn't help at all with the Rockbox ports to their players. |
| 00:06:19 | TMM | linuxstb:It's what I heard, I'm not sure if it's true |
| 00:06:39 | Bagder | I'm sure you can ask them. I'm pretty sure you won't get a positive response... :-/ |
| 00:06:40 | TMM | O dear... I don't even know what a BDM/JTAG emulator IS :) |
| 00:06:58 | TMM | and it looks like I'll be buying two then... |
| 00:07:15 | Bagder | TMM: it really helps to find others that are interested to help out and join in the effort |
| 00:07:34 | Bagder | the one man ports tend to never reach goal |
| 00:08:05 | TMM | might be difficult, it's a fairly expensive player |
| 00:08:18 | TMM | but, then again, so are ipods |
| 00:08:35 | TMM | it SOUNDS like fun :) |
| 00:08:56 | tumu | TMM, provided you can document it enough, others might get interested sooner on it |
| 00:09:18 | Bagder | besides, when we did the first ports, all players were a lot more expensive... |
| 00:09:43 | TMM | I will most certainly keep this under consideration, it really sounds like a fun project, albeit a bit expensive... |
| 00:10:08 | markun | TMM: I can tell you from experience that a port is indeed a lot of fun |
| 00:10:25 | TMM | but, I kind of feel I have to put my actions where my mouth is, I said I don't want to use any device with proprietary firmware, so, I don't suppose I have much of a choice :) |
| 00:10:35 | TMM | damn hitachi :P |
| 00:10:54 | TMM | I will be able to turn here for help? :) |
| 00:10:59 | Bagder | sure |
| 00:11:24 | Bagder | and do use the wiki and forums to collect info and find friends to join in |
| 00:11:41 | markun | and look for a forum with a lot of iaudio 7 users |
| 00:11:45 | TMM | one more question though: did any of you have to port GCC to support your target player? |
| 00:11:55 | markun | nope |
| 00:11:57 | Bagder | TMM: no, they all use basic archs |
| 00:12:01 | TMM | or do they tend to use ARM? |
| 00:12:09 | Bagder | sh, coldfire and arm |
| 00:12:17 | Bagder | bust most use arm these days, yes |
| 00:12:17 | TMM | well, that's good news :) I know a bit of arm assembly |
| 00:12:51 | TMM | I'll think about it :) it really does sound like fun |
| 00:13:14 | TMM | more interesting than 16bit X86 stuff, that's been done millions of times |
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| 00:13:27 | jbit | plus x86 is a mess :) |
| 00:13:34 | TMM | amen :) |
| 00:13:40 | * | TMM misses mips :) |
| 00:14:13 | Bagder | really? I find that... a bit rough to read |
| 00:14:38 | * | jbit loves mips :) |
| 00:14:45 | TMM | it 'feels' quite high level in places |
| 00:14:49 | * | markun is still waiting for a nice blackfin powered player |
| 00:15:16 | TMM | so, has anyone ever started by just asking the manufacturer for specs? |
| 00:15:24 | Bagder | TMM: many times |
| 00:15:26 | jbit | my asm preference is probably like mips, vu, arm, ppc, tonnes of other things, x86 |
| 00:15:35 | Bagder | TMM: they usually just not respond at all |
| 00:15:48 | * | tumu used to eat 68k asm for breakfast |
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| 00:16:28 | TMM | Bagder: did anyone ever give specs? |
| 00:16:36 | Bagder | no |
| 00:16:41 | n1s | tumu: add in a bit of emac instructions to the mix and that could be really useful for our coldfire targets :-) |
| 00:16:47 | TMM | anyone ever tried to contact cowon before? |
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| 00:17:09 | markun | TMM: blackfin looks even more high level: http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk/libavcodec/bfin/idct_bfin.S?revision=9019&view=markup |
| 00:17:15 | n1s | Bagder: well AMS did sort-of give out specs |
| 00:17:22 | Bagder | ah true |
| 00:17:25 | tumu | was fun calculating internal cycles to make them pipeline without creating stalls |
| 00:17:30 | Bagder | but they're a chip maker, not player manufacturer |
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| 00:17:44 | tumu | for opcodes that is |
| 00:18:08 | TMM | markun: I'd have to see some specs for that :) |
| 00:18:47 | markun | of the idct or the blackfin cpu? |
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| 00:19:17 | TMM | markun: blackfin assembly :) this is the first blackfin stuff I ever saw :) |
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| 00:22:12 | TMM | Yeah, I'll probably do it, I'll order one tomorrow, see if I like it enough to buy another one to tear apart |
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| 00:22:45 | Bagder | well, mostly you can tear apart (and scan) the only one |
| 00:22:56 | TMM | did any of the players you guys used initially ever actually run rockbox? |
| 00:23:02 | TMM | ie: did they survive? |
| 00:23:37 | Bagder | sure |
| 00:23:39 | markun | TMM: my gigabeat survived, I use it every day now |
| 00:23:46 | Bagder | most of them survive |
| 00:23:56 | Bagder | if you just are careful |
| 00:24:00 | TMM | also: did anyone ever see the ipod nano 2 type encryption used in any other player ? |
| 00:24:06 | TMM | or was I misinformed on that as well? |
| 00:24:16 | markun | how were you informed? |
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| 00:26:06 | TMM | markun: a user that bought a mark 1 player because SAID he read somewhere that the mark 2 players weren't supported because of some elaborate encryption scheme in the bootloader, that's pretty much all I know |
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| 00:26:54 | Bagder | TMM: I don't think anyone knows enough about the nano 2nd gen encryption to be able to tell if that same one is used elsewhere |
| 00:27:13 | markun | maybe in the shuffle 2nd gen |
| 00:27:21 | TMM | I didn't mean the same sort, but just, if other players have such a nifty feature as well |
| 00:27:35 | TMM | ie: what are the chances of that iaudio 7 having such a neat little 'feature' |
| 00:27:42 | Bagder | TMM: most players have the firmware scrambled or encrypted in one way or another |
| 00:28:03 | TMM | I suppose that's where the emulator comes in? |
| 00:28:42 | markun | not really |
| 00:28:45 | Bagder | well, an emulator would be handy for that but so far no such scheme has been cracked with an emulator afaik |
| 00:29:27 | markun | Bagder: shonky supposedly used a ARM emulator to figure out the encryption of the Gigabeat's firmware files |
| 00:29:31 | TMM | I'm not entirely sure what a BDM/JTAG emulator is, so far google has only turned up product pages designed for people who already know what they are buying |
| 00:29:38 | amiconn | Hrmph. There are tons of module players for the GUS, but they're either asm, pascal, or c++ and much newer than what I'd expect. Or not open source at all |
| 00:29:40 | Bagder | aha |
| 00:30:31 | rasher | amiconn: perhaps preglow was right about it being private stuff by kb then |
| 00:30:40 | rasher | Can't myth be contacted? |
| 00:30:44 | tumu | amiconn, i'm trying to integrate dumb to rockbox, so hang on :) |
| 00:30:58 | TMM | hardware-based debugger? am I reading this right? |
| 00:30:59 | markun | TMM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JTAG |
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| 00:31:26 | markun | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-circuit_emulator |
| 00:31:38 | amiconn | (1) That mod codec is working right now (2) It's simple enough to have a chance to optimise it enough to make it run on the archoses (using the mas pcm codec) |
| 00:31:47 | amiconn | Dumb is far from (2) |
| 00:32:20 | tumu | amiconn, achieving (2) sounds like fine plan :) |
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| 00:32:47 | TMM | markun: wouldn't they deliberately make it impossible to use that standard then? if it is so widely available? |
| 00:32:53 | amiconn | Dumb's aim is precision, not speed, afaik |
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| 00:33:01 | tumu | yes |
| 00:33:07 | tumu | which is what i'm after |
| 00:33:16 | amiconn | Yes, and I am not, obviously |
| 00:33:18 | tumu | i'm not interested on inaccurate playback |
| 00:33:32 | markun | TMM: it's also useful for the company developing the player.. |
| 00:33:35 | amiconn | You won't be able to make dumb run on an 11MHz CPU, will you? |
| 00:33:47 | amiconn | (I mean realtime of course) |
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| 00:34:09 | TMM | markun: so, the JTAG ports should be available on most boards then? |
| 00:34:22 | tumu | amiconn, have to try first |
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| 00:35:09 | markun | TMM: if the CPU has a JTAG interface it's not unlikely |
| 00:35:11 | tumu | amiconn, i used to write own module players in my 68k times |
| 00:35:43 | amiconn | Even the current codec needs quite some asm optimisation to make it realtime on such a low-end cpu |
| 00:36:03 | TMM | markun: hum... might be fun to try on a PCI bus then, see if I can understand what the fuck's going on |
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| 00:36:10 | amiconn | The amiga has the advantage that it doesn't need to mix, as it has 4 native channels |
| 00:36:17 | markun | TMM: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFJTAG |
| 00:36:41 | tumu | amiconn, i also experimented with both hardware and software mixing |
| 00:37:39 | TMM | markun: ahh :) is the software/hardware required expensive? |
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| 00:42:57 | TMM | O well, time for sleep anyway :) |
| 00:43:12 | TMM | I'll let you guys know, I'm pretty psyched to try this actually :) |
| 00:43:21 | markun | TMM: http://www.diygadget.com/store/building-simple-jtag-cable/info_12.html |
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| 00:44:35 | TMM | markun: that looks doable |
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| 00:44:47 | TMM | man, the last time I soldered anything was 10 years ago :) |
| 00:45:42 | TMM | I'll start with a 486 board, see if I can make some sense out of this |
| 00:46:04 | TMM | markun: Bagder and the rest, thanks for the initial help :) |
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| 02:28:09 | RxDx | does rockbox uses more or less battery than apples firmware (nano 1st gen)? |
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| 02:36:23 | Febs | RxDx: More. |
| 02:36:54 | Febs | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WikiManual?topic=IpodRuntime |
| 02:39:14 | RxDx | Febs, thank you |
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| 02:56:08 | webguest76 | Hello. is the current release of rockbox for the h10 stabe? my friend said that i should not update and use angrymans build. is this true? |
| 02:56:56 | aliask | webguest76: It's stable, and if there are any updates, they will go to ours well before angryman's build |
| 02:57:11 | aliask | Also, we can't provide support for 3rd party builds |
| 02:57:23 | webguest76 | ok thanks |
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| 03:02:05 | JdGordon|work | apparently the h10 does have some problms atm... |
| 03:04:01 | aliask | Woops |
| 03:07:28 | JdGordon|work | hehe, oh well :) |
| 03:11:18 | alienbiker99 | it tends to ranomly freeze |
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| 03:21:57 | Llorean | I hear the 20gb H10 build does, but not the 5/6 |
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| 03:46:48 | alienbiker99 | the usb stack isnt usable yet, correct? |
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| 03:49:27 | Soap | correct |
| 03:51:00 | Llorean | I'm sure it'll be announced on the major changes wiki page when it is |
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| 03:59:48 | BillGod_ | sansa 200r problems. patched bootloader following instructions on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RBootloaderPatching. Then loaded rockbox following this guide. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallationFromLinux. When I am finished it boots into rhapsody firmware. refreshes database then says upgrading firmware. It reboots and hang at "load image failed" anyone got any suggestions. I |
| 03:59:49 | BillGod_ | have reset it back to factory and tried again thinking i missed something but it does not seem to work. |
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| 04:01:09 | scorche | then you did not do something right |
| 04:01:37 | scorche | did you follow those instructions exactly without deviating from them even a tiny bit? |
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| 04:08:09 | BillGod_ | I did it 2 times and as far as i know i didn't miss anything. I even cut and pasted all the commands just to be safe |
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| 04:10:30 | BillGod_ | just wondering but the instructions on patching the boot loader STEP 3 says to Rename BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom to doneBL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom but never says anything else about that file? |
| 04:20:27 | BillGod_ | sansa 200r trying to install rockbox. hangs at "load image failed" does anyone know if I screwed up the boot loader patch or the install of rockbox? |
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| 05:25:48 | Irreducibilis | Hn |
| 05:26:11 | Irreducibilis | Would it be possible to run rockbox on my Creative Zen MicroPhoto, even without it being supported? |
| 05:26:21 | GodEater_ | no |
| 05:27:00 | Irreducibilis | But "supported" is not a requirement to work.... for example I use Microsoft Virtual PC 2007 with Linux on it, and that is not supported |
| 05:27:03 | Irreducibilis | still works though |
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| 05:27:36 | GodEater_ | the answer is still no |
| 05:28:05 | Irreducibilis | Is your answer a biased personal preferance or a technically plasusible statement? |
| 05:28:31 | GodEater_ | Rockbox runs on the players listed on www.rockbox.org's front page, and that's all |
| 05:28:51 | Irreducibilis | And have you tried it with other players with no success? |
| 05:28:53 | GodEater_ | it doesn't magically run on players until people do the *very* hard work to make it happen |
| 05:29:32 | Irreducibilis | Well then, do you know of anything else that is for the Zen? |
| 05:29:38 | GodEater_ | nope sorry |
| 05:29:42 | Irreducibilis | Maybe they have linux for it... |
| 05:29:51 | GodEater_ | if they do - we've not heard of it |
| 05:30:00 | Irreducibilis | You sure are disagreeable today..... |
| 05:30:04 | Irreducibilis | Ill ask somewhere else |
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| 05:30:59 | GodEater_ | didn't think I was disagreeable |
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| 05:34:39 | alienbiker99 | is it that hard for people to understand that |
| 05:35:02 | GodEater_ | apparently |
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| 05:59:43 | JerryLange | for some reason when i run the patch command now in vmware i cannot compile rockbox |
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| 06:01:18 | JerryLange | it patches fine but when i go to compile i get errors |
| 06:04:12 | GodEater_ | that would imply that patch is either incomplete, or just plain wrong. |
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| 06:08:58 | JerryLange | GodEater: i just patched yesterday though. and reverted svn and now want to patch again |
| 06:09:45 | GodEater_ | the same patch as before ? |
| 06:10:55 | JerryLange | yes |
| 06:11:37 | GodEater_ | well despite rumours to the contrary - we're none of us psychic |
| 06:11:42 | GodEater_ | so pastebin your error |
| 06:11:47 | GodEater_ | and I'll have a look |
| 06:13:21 | JerryLange | ok just a moment |
| 06:14:54 | JerryLange | by pastebin you want me to take a screenshot and upload it? |
| 06:15:17 | GodEater_ | no - by pastebin I mean I want you to copy the text, and load it to pastebin.ca |
| 06:15:53 | JerryLange | i dont know how to copy from vmware to notepad. i am on windows |
| 06:16:57 | GodEater_ | so load up the web browser in vmware |
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| 06:18:44 | JerryLange | i dont know how to do that either |
| 06:19:51 | GodEater_ | what *do* you know how to do in the vmware image ? |
| 06:20:34 | GodEater_ | presumably you know how to launch terminal windows ? |
| 06:21:00 | JerryLange | yes ive only used eterm because thats what it seems i only have to use |
| 06:21:25 | GodEater_ | so how do you launch eterm ? |
| 06:22:59 | JerryLange | right click >xshells> eterm |
| 06:23:14 | GodEater_ | ok - what else is there in that menu you get when you right-click ? |
| 06:24:00 | JerryLange | apps, games, help, screen, windowmanagers, xshells, configuration, styles, workspaces, reconfigure, restart, exit |
| 06:24:10 | GodEater_ | and under apps ? |
| 06:24:48 | JerryLange | editors, graphics, math, net, programming, shells, system, tools, viewers |
| 06:25:02 | GodEater_ | apps->net ? |
| 06:25:20 | JerryLange | mutt, telnet, w3m, xbiff |
| 06:25:40 | GodEater_ | JerryLange: ok - in one of your eterms, and you type "apt-get install dillo" |
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| 06:26:19 | JerryLange | could not open lock file |
| 06:26:28 | GodEater_ | do it as root |
| 06:27:08 | JerryLange | same thing |
| 06:28:09 | * | GodEater_ gives up, not being a debian person |
| 06:28:29 | JerryLange | and for some reason i cannot access \\debian\user |
| 06:31:58 | JerryLange | GodEater: here is my error |
| 06:32:04 | JerryLange | http://xs219.xs.to/xs219/07382/error_1.GIF |
| 06:32:17 | JerryLange | sorry for double typing |
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| 06:49:19 | Chronon | Folks might be interested: someone named kfazz (a first time poster) has posted several patches and a test build to the forums −− http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12783.0 |
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| 06:54:10 | kfazz | that'd be me |
| 06:54:20 | kfazz | been lurking here for a year or two |
| 06:54:35 | Chronon | ok. Is there a reason you didn't post to the patch tracker? |
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| 06:54:59 | kfazz | didn't get a confirmation email yet, one of the patch's wasn't mine |
| 06:57:27 | Chronon | For a tracker account, or for permission to post someone else's patch? |
| 06:57:54 | Chronon | just curious... :) |
| 06:58:13 | kfazz | for the tracker account |
| 06:58:31 | kfazz | the patch came from a chinese pastebin, i have no clue who wrote it |
| 06:59:25 | Chronon | I see. |
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| 07:10:22 | zblach_ | hi. a couple questions. 1) I've had rockbox on my iPod (5.5g) for a while, and I was wondering if any progress has been made at all on the 3rd party hardware integration front. |
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| 07:11:16 | zblach_ | 2) rockbox have any problems with wmvs? mom got some audiobooks, and i'm trying to convince her to switch |
| 07:11:30 | zblach_ | **wmas. wmas and bookmarking |
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| 07:16:39 | homielowe | ablach: Do you mean wma's? I'm not quite sure about your mom, Is she technologically inclined? Rockbox supports very early wma support.( no seeking, replaygain added today) |
| 07:16:52 | homielowe | zblah* |
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| 07:17:39 | zblach_ | she has a CS degree, but she's useless with computers. :) |
| 07:17:49 | zblach_ | but the no seeking is a dealbreaker. |
| 07:18:12 | zblach_ | i'm assuming seeking is required for bookmark restoration? |
| 07:19:11 | homielowe | I assume so lemme try right now |
| 07:19:21 | zblach_ | thanks |
| 07:20:31 | homielowe | nope doesn't work atol |
| 07:20:37 | zblach_ | ok. thanks for checking |
| 07:21:05 | zblach_ | browsing the rockbox site, it appears that i can't expect my pod to work with my car adaptor |
| 07:21:40 | homielowe | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodAccessories |
| 07:22:34 | zblach_ | output yes, input no |
| 07:23:00 | zblach_ | and i'll check on data output in a few weeks |
| 07:27:41 | zblach_ | ok. thanks |
| 07:27:42 | zblach_ | later |
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| 07:44:38 | JerryLange | GodEater: if your still there. i think its something in the ipod5g folder. because i just compiled a build for the nano patched and it compiled with no errors |
| 07:48:32 | JerryLange | is there a command that will extract a file from a certain location and put it somwhere else in vmware? |
| 07:50:17 | Chronon | you mean like "mv"? |
| 07:50:41 | JerryLange | i dont know what that is please explain more |
| 07:51:20 | Chronon | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mv |
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| 07:52:08 | SofianBabai | hello ddalton |
| 07:52:40 | ddalton | Hello SofianBabai |
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| 07:58:16 | JerryLange | Chronon: could you help me with that command? |
| 07:58:48 | ddalton | What command? :-) |
| 07:59:19 | JerryLange | the mv command im trying to move the rockboz.zip folder to any hard drive because i cannot access \\debian\user |
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| 08:04:19 | JerryLange | or jut help me get access to \\debian\user |
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| 08:08:26 | JerryLange | im doing to try a computer restart |
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| 08:11:34 | SofianBabai | ddalton: just for info, how much time does it take for you to generate a voice file using ciygwin ? |
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| 08:18:12 | JerryLange | i tried a computer restart but that did not help me get access to "\\debian\user" |
| 08:21:37 | ddalton | SofianBabai: 5 to 6 minutes. Very quick here. I think. |
| 08:21:57 | ddalton | (2.1 ghz dual core processer and 1 gb ram) |
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| 08:23:00 | ddalton | aliask: around? |
| 08:26:18 | Chronon | JerryLange: what happens when you try to run \\debian? |
| 08:26:58 | JerryLange | ijust "//debian" ? |
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| 08:28:16 | JerryLange | when i do \\debian\user it says it is not accessable |
| 08:28:54 | ddalton | what dir are you in? ;-) |
| 08:29:41 | JerryLange | i do not get that question. i am in any open folder and i just type "\\debian\user" and hit enter |
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| 08:29:48 | Chronon | Start −−> Run... −−> "\\debian" |
| 08:29:56 | Chronon | Did you do that? |
| 08:30:04 | ddalton | o that didn't work for me :-( |
| 08:30:12 | ddalton | Are you running the vm? |
| 08:30:15 | JerryLange | network path not found |
| 08:30:21 | JerryLange | yes i am running vm |
| 08:30:36 | ddalton | Don't you need to be log on as "Root" |
| 08:30:47 | Chronon | hmph. It always works for me... |
| 08:30:55 | ddalton | What should happen? |
| 08:31:04 | JerryLange | it doesnt even give me an option to log in |
| 08:31:14 | ddalton | no on the vm. |
| 08:31:16 | ddalton | in the image |
| 08:31:21 | Chronon | it should bring up an explorer window containing the VMWare's file system |
| 08:31:35 | ddalton | do you need to be logged on as root? |
| 08:31:42 | Chronon | in XP? |
| 08:31:47 | ddalton | yeah |
| 08:31:51 | JerryLange | i logged in as user with password rockbox |
| 08:32:02 | Chronon | you mean administrator? |
| 08:32:16 | ddalton | maybe try root. |
| 08:32:20 | ddalton | Should he? |
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| 08:32:44 | Chronon | You should probably use an administrator account in XP, yes. |
| 08:32:52 | JerryLange | i am the admin on this computer |
| 08:33:00 | Chronon | XP doesn't have "root". That's linux. |
| 08:33:19 | ddalton | I am talking about the vm. You are trying to access another computer. That's how the vm acts from my understanding |
| 08:33:39 | JerryLange | i even ran a program that created a file to \\debian\user\folder and it said it did not exist |
| 08:33:52 | Chronon | ddalton, you run \\debian from XP's "Run..." command in the Start menu to gain access to the VM filesystem |
| 08:33:53 | JerryLange | i am trying to access "\\debian\user" from the same computer i compiled on |
| 08:34:08 | Chronon | yeah. That always works for me. |
| 08:34:16 | Chronon | I'm not sure what the problem is... :/ |
| 08:34:36 | ddalton | Why don't you log on as root? |
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| 08:34:38 | ddalton | can you? |
| 08:34:50 | Chronon | I really don't see how that would make any difference. |
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| 08:35:12 | JerryLange | you want me to log on as root on vm? |
| 08:35:16 | ddalton | well I don't know. I don't know much about this. Just wait a minute |
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| 08:36:07 | ddalton | JerryLange: I am just going to open the site to try and help you |
| 08:36:22 | JerryLange | what site |
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| 08:36:39 | * | ddalton Looks up the vm site for JerryLange |
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| 08:38:18 | JerryLange | isnt it supposed to ask me for a password when i type that in? i set it to remember me next time i have to log in |
| 08:38:42 | ddalton | ok try "\\debian\root |
| 08:38:45 | ddalton | " |
| 08:39:38 | JerryLange | windows cannot find that path |
| 08:39:54 | ddalton | is your vm open? |
| 08:39:58 | JerryLange | yes |
| 08:40:08 | JerryLange | and debian\user is not accessable |
| 08:40:24 | ddalton | your logged on as "user"? |
| 08:40:44 | JerryLange | says i do not have permission to access debian\user |
| 08:41:15 | ddalton | is that a different message to typeing \\saysomething |
| 08:41:47 | JerryLange | yes |
| 08:42:07 | JerryLange | i mean yes that i have vm open and that i am logged in as user |
| 08:42:23 | ddalton | ok try logging on as "root" and typing "vmware-toolbox&" from a terminal. Remember to not include the quotes |
| 08:42:36 | JerryLange | what is the password as root |
| 08:42:42 | ddalton | rockbox |
| 08:42:49 | * | ddalton Thinks |
| 08:42:57 | JerryLange | correct |
| 08:43:13 | * | ddalton Was right! |
| 08:43:28 | ddalton | So your now log on as root? |
| 08:43:32 | ddalton | logged |
| 08:43:34 | JerryLange | ok now i got a tools properties thing |
| 08:43:42 | JerryLange | yes i am logged in as root |
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| 08:43:49 | ddalton | What are you logged on as? |
| 08:43:55 | JerryLange | root |
| 08:44:02 | scorche | alright...there are a lot of wrong assumptions around here... |
| 08:44:04 | ddalton | ok sorry didn't read your message |
| 08:44:16 | ddalton | so you typed "vmware-toolbox&" |
| 08:44:20 | ddalton | from a terminal? |
| 08:44:36 | JerryLange | yes |
| 08:44:44 | scorche | samba doesnt care whether you are root or not and you do not need to install vmware tools to have it work either |
| 08:44:46 | ddalton | and some window came up? |
| 08:44:53 | JerryLange | yes |
| 08:45:03 | ddalton | ok don't close it and hang on |
| 08:45:10 | JerryLange | ok |
| 08:45:28 | scorche | this wont make it work... |
| 08:45:31 | ddalton | now go to run and type : \\debian\root |
| 08:45:38 | ddalton | I don't know what will happen |
| 08:46:00 | ddalton | ok then well I don't know. |
| 08:46:09 | ddalton | you my as well give it a shot |
| 08:46:15 | JerryLange | that didn't work |
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| 08:46:54 | ddalton | what happens if you type: \\debian |
| 08:47:00 | DavidGWRawson | How practical would a command line program for rockbox be, like linux or dos? |
| 08:47:08 | scorche | DavidGWRawson: why? |
| 08:47:19 | DavidGWRawson | It would be useful. |
| 08:47:21 | * | ddalton Was about to ask the same thing |
| 08:47:22 | scorche | how? |
| 08:47:30 | scorche | what would yopu use it for? |
| 08:47:34 | DavidGWRawson | To run software from different platforms. |
| 08:47:42 | ddalton | lkie what? |
| 08:47:46 | ddalton | like what? |
| 08:47:50 | DavidGWRawson | Emulators |
| 08:47:50 | Chronon | That's not what a command line does |
| 08:48:21 | scorche | DavidGWRawson: please stop saying useless feature requests...learn what things do, /then/ request them |
| 08:48:39 | ddalton | JerryLange: Did you try That path I gave you? |
| 08:48:56 | JerryLange | yes. it didnt work \\debian\root did not work |
| 08:48:58 | scorche | do you really think that all we need is a command line in order to run other software? |
| 08:49:22 | DavidGWRawson | What if you format the 20mb boot partition on a sansa e200? |
| 08:49:29 | ddalton | "\\debian" |
| 08:49:33 | ddalton | with out the quotes |
| 08:49:36 | scorche | DavidGWRawson: once again...why? |
| 08:49:46 | scorche | ddalton: as i said, that will not solve his issue |
| 08:49:46 | * | ddalton doesn't think it will work :-( |
| 08:49:52 | DavidGWRawson | I thought that it would become readable. |
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| 08:50:04 | DavidGWRawson | When formatted to fat. |
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| 08:50:12 | scorche | if you formatted it, it would be empty... |
| 08:50:28 | JerryLange | ddalton: that did not work |
| 08:50:40 | DavidGWRawson | Then you can put bootloaders and firmware without using any special software, |
| 08:51:02 | DavidGWRawson | But the device may not read it.... |
| 08:51:02 | scorche | DavidGWRawson: once more...please make an attempt to learn how things work before saying this sort of stuff... |
| 08:51:42 | ddalton | I don't know. Turn off all fire walls and then try the normal way log on as user with user as the user name and rockbox as the password and then type: \\debian\user |
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| 08:52:03 | JerryLange | scorche: do you know how to fix my problem? |
| 08:52:20 | JerryLange | i have no firewalls |
| 08:52:26 | scorche | JerryLange: there isnt *one* fix...there is a long section in the forums about it...search there for it |
| 08:52:41 | JerryLange | what do i search for? |
| 08:52:41 | ddalton | so no securety software? |
| 08:52:53 | JerryLange | ddalton: yes but its already disabled |
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| 08:53:08 | scorche | JerryLange: there are many things you could search for.. |
| 08:53:10 | * | ddalton Has ran out of ideas :-( |
| 08:53:33 | JerryLange | well im stupid i dont know |
| 08:53:48 | ddalton | what about windows firewall? |
| 08:54:02 | JerryLange | ddalton: that is turned off like i said its all disabled |
| 08:54:38 | DavidGWRawson | Would an emulated OS enviorment be any good on rockbox? Maybe commodore 64, or very old systems. If this is also dumb, then I will say nothing more..... |
| 08:55:14 | ddalton | hey a suggestion that everyone probably won't agree with but with the next vm that gets upload to the rb site could we have the software needed for connecting through ssh? |
| 08:55:17 | markun | DavidGWRawson: we already have some emulators, adding some more is always welcome |
| 08:55:18 | ddalton | installed to the vm? |
| 08:55:34 | scorche | JerryLange: "samba vmware", "\\debian\user"...many things...just try different things |
| 08:56:05 | DavidGWRawson | Really? I'll have to look at them. Where can I find them? In the feature request? |
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| 08:56:43 | scorche | DavidGWRawson: rockboy, doom, pacman, spectrum.... |
| 08:56:59 | markun | DavidGWRawson: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex |
| 08:57:02 | ddalton | Someone correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't a blind user have to do the following: 1. install vmware and extract the image. 2. run the vmx file. 3 waite 5 minutes 4 it to load 5 type user and press tab. 6 press enter 8 waite 9 connect through ssh with their screenreader. |
| 08:57:09 | DavidGWRawson | Spectrum? Is that new? |
| 08:57:14 | ddalton | I did the numbers wrong |
| 08:57:27 | markun | newish |
| 08:57:50 | ddalton | no one agrees with me? |
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| 08:58:17 | DavidGWRawson | I have to download a new build? |
| 08:58:25 | scorche | for what? |
| 08:58:39 | ddalton | scorche: You talking to me? |
| 08:58:44 | scorche | ddalton: no |
| 08:58:50 | SofianBabai | i've tried vmware one day but when i've right-clicked in the window my jfw froze |
| 08:59:19 | DavidGWRawson | oh, it's the one with the tape thing. I didn't understand it. |
| 08:59:54 | ddalton | SofianBabai: Well you can very easily get into the image. You can install vmware server and press control g when it prompts for the password. and user name. |
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| 09:00:08 | ddalton | Then the hard part is using the image. |
| 09:00:23 | ddalton | I actually got a talking ubuntu working on vmware with orca |
| 09:00:28 | SofianBabai | in anyway, it is better than cygwin? faster? |
| 09:00:36 | JerryLange | im looking stuff up. hopefully i find something to fix this problem |
| 09:00:36 | DavidGWRawson | So there's TAPE images? Wow. |
| 09:00:37 | scorche | cygwin is very slow |
| 09:00:39 | ddalton | lots faster |
| 09:01:26 | SofianBabai | so it's rater normal it takes me so much time to generate voice files with cybwin ... |
| 09:01:48 | ddalton | "rater" ? |
| 09:02:02 | ddalton | But building voice files on windows is pretty fast |
| 09:02:04 | SofianBabai | ratehr sory |
| 09:02:10 | ddalton | ok |
| 09:02:13 | SofianBabai | whoops rather |
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| 09:02:36 | ddalton | does it take a long time on your cygwin? |
| 09:02:48 | SofianBabai | bizarre don't understand whay it is so long for me ... |
| 09:02:54 | ddalton | how long? |
| 09:03:04 | SofianBabai | my computer is not so old |
| 09:03:15 | SofianBabai | about 10 mn |
| 09:03:37 | ddalton | mine takes about 5 but it has a dual core so that helps |
| 09:03:47 | SofianBabai | maybe |
| 09:03:59 | ddalton | well it is to processers |
| 09:04:01 | ddalton | two |
| 09:04:20 | SofianBabai | so that's why i still want to automate this building stuff |
| 09:04:24 | DavidGWRawson | The DS has two arm processors |
| 09:04:34 | ddalton | so what do you want to happen? |
| 09:04:51 | scorche | DavidGWRawson: were you getting somewhere with that? |
| 09:04:51 | JerryLange | what do i want my ethernet set up as in vm? |
| 09:05:03 | DavidGWRawson | I'm wondering if arm processors are similar. |
| 09:05:03 | SofianBabai | ddalton: r u talking to me ? |
| 09:05:10 | ddalton | yes |
| 09:05:10 | scorche | similar to what? |
| 09:05:40 | SofianBabai | just want to automate the process to build three voices files (for three targets) |
| 09:05:51 | ddalton | when should it run? |
| 09:05:57 | DavidGWRawson | There are DS homebrew games that were built for arm based processors. If you modify the source code, then you may run it on a sansa, or other arm processors. |
| 09:05:58 | ddalton | when you run a script? |
| 09:06:00 | JerryLange | do i want my eithernet in vm bridged, nat, or host? |
| 09:06:11 | ddalton | bridge I would say |
| 09:06:23 | B4gder | SofianBabai: you should make sure you make use of the POOL feature |
| 09:06:57 | SofianBabai | bagder: i don't know how to uise it |
| 09:07:00 | SofianBabai | use |
| 09:07:14 | SofianBabai | gotta have some reading but it's quite hard |
| 09:07:16 | scorche | DavidGWRawson: feel free to try |
| 09:07:35 | SofianBabai | b4gder sory |
| 09:07:38 | ddalton | SofianBabai: You want to run a script that will build 3 voice files for separate targets? |
| 09:07:48 | SofianBabai | ddalton: yes |
| 09:08:00 | ddalton | so it should build them when you run the script? |
| 09:08:17 | B4gder | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/buildall-voices.pl?view=markup |
| 09:08:19 | DavidGWRawson | will spectrum run .tzx files? |
| 09:08:24 | SofianBabai | ddalton exactly |
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| 09:08:37 | B4gder | that's basically the script we use to build the daily voices |
| 09:08:50 | ddalton | ok let me have a look. You might be able to just run 3 make files but not sure. |
| 09:08:55 | ddalton | or write a shell script |
| 09:08:59 | SofianBabai | i've tried this script but it seems to make the folders but nothing is created |
| 09:09:23 | SofianBabai | i've modified it for the french language with rasher's help |
| 09:09:45 | SofianBabai | i'm sure it's simple |
| 09:09:58 | SofianBabai | but it requires knowledge that i don't ave yet :) |
| 09:10:39 | ddalton | I am going to try and write it for you. It will hopefully build for all targets but let me see how far I get |
| 09:11:19 | SofianBabai | ddalton: thanks. it would help me to understand hox it works to build it by myself for something else |
| 09:11:33 | JerryLange | am i typing this correct? "\\debian\user" ? |
| 09:11:34 | markun | DavidGWRawson: it's in the wiki page |
| 09:11:42 | ddalton | You could read the script once it is done. (If it gets done) |
| 09:11:47 | markun | "For using it you must get a tape (tzx,tap) or snapshot (sna,z80) file." |
| 09:11:51 | ddalton | I am reading about it now |
| 09:12:27 | SofianBabai | maybe the script is using the old voice generation process or it may be adapted to run under cygwin |
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| 09:13:24 | DavidGWRawson | thanks, markun. I think that software made by the public is better that software made by large companies. |
| 09:14:44 | markun | also depends on what you call 'better' |
| 09:15:18 | SofianBabai | ddalton: have you succeeded in pllying the "improved bookmark selection patch? |
| 09:15:32 | SofianBabai | don't remember the fs # |
| 09:15:51 | ddalton | applying do you mean? |
| 09:16:08 | DavidGWRawson | This is out of topic, but can the .tzx images be written back to tape? |
| 09:16:26 | DavidGWRawson | Just curious |
| 09:17:07 | scorche | why are you asking it if you already know it is offtopic? |
| 09:17:17 | JerryLange | im about to throw my computer out the window |
| 09:17:19 | scorche | ...havent you been warned enough about this sort of thing? |
| 09:17:35 | SofianBabai | ddalton: i mean itegrating successfully this patch in a build |
| 09:17:49 | ddalton | if so it should work but stephane sent me all of his patches to test in one big patch. |
| 09:17:51 | SofianBabai | because it involves many other patches |
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| 09:18:01 | ddalton | It should work. |
| 09:18:08 | scorche | oye...do i give him way too many chances? |
| 09:18:12 | ddalton | I will try later. I am just trying to do this script for you. |
| 09:18:19 | SofianBabai | ok |
| 09:18:59 | ddalton | what targets? |
| 09:19:06 | ddalton | do you want the voice files for? |
| 09:20:11 | SofianBabai | ddalton: sansa e200 , iaudio x5, iriver h120 iriver h340 |
| 09:20:15 | JerryLange | i set my ethernet to bridged and i get this error "The virtual machine may not be able to communicate with the host or with other machines on your network." |
| 09:20:31 | SofianBabai | but i think we just need to comment the lines of the other players |
| 09:20:34 | ddalton | Sapi5? |
| 09:20:39 | SofianBabai | those we don't want to build a voice file for |
| 09:20:47 | SofianBabai | sapi yes |
| 09:20:52 | ddalton | what there is already a script? |
| 09:21:16 | SofianBabai | the pl script b4gdeg gives the url |
| 09:21:26 | SofianBabai | but maybe a bash script would be easier to do |
| 09:21:40 | SofianBabai | b4gder |
| 09:21:44 | amiconn | SofianBabai: The first build of a voice in a build dir takes a bit longer because it (unnecessarily) builds bitmaps, but subsequent voice builds in the same build dir should be fast (only deleting the old .voice from that dir before 'make voice') |
| 09:21:50 | ddalton | yeah I will try a shell script |
| 09:22:05 | ddalton | Its a good project for someone like me. :-) |
| 09:22:10 | B4gder | ddalton: why not just use the already-written script? |
| 09:22:23 | SofianBabai | amiconn brb |
| 09:22:26 | B4gder | I mean, feel free to do what you want, it just feels a bit... unnecessary |
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| 09:23:21 | ddalton | ok what's the url? |
| 09:23:50 | B4gder | http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/www/tools/buildall-voices.pl?view=markup |
| 09:24:01 | ppanther | Why is it that sansa e280 can only record at 22500 hz? Is it a SW or a HW limitation? |
| 09:24:08 | GodEater_ | JerryLange: what was the network set to BEFORE you changed it to bridged ? |
| 09:24:49 | JerryLange | GodEater: host |
| 09:24:52 | amiconn | ppanther: Hardware (but the maximum is 24000Hz, not 22050Hz afaik) |
| 09:24:53 | ddalton | how do I compile it? |
| 09:24:58 | GodEater_ | change it back then :) |
| 09:25:26 | ppanther | amiconn: is the CPU too slow? Or what is the limitation? |
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| 09:25:43 | ddalton | how do I compile the pl script? |
| 09:25:50 | GodEater_ | JerryLange: when you've changed it back and restarted the VM - I want you to check something for me |
| 09:25:54 | B4gder | ddalton: it's a perl script, run it with perl |
| 09:25:59 | B4gder | perl scriptname |
| 09:26:42 | JerryLange | GodEater: you want me to actually reset it or just turn it off suspend my window and then open it up again? |
| 09:26:46 | amiconn | ppanther: The clock source for the ADC can't be set in a way to allow higher sampling rates iiuc. jhMikeS is the expert regarding Sansa recording... |
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| 09:27:11 | GodEater_ | JerryLange: I think when you've messed with the network setting, a complete reboot of the VM is a good idea |
| 09:28:05 | JerryLange | GodEater_: currently resetting. i will get back to you when it has booted back up and at the login screen |
| 09:28:31 | ppanther | amiconn: ah... so the problem is that the ADC can't be made to take samples at that freq. Ok then. I knew that RB wouldn't be the reason, just wanted to know what it is. Thanks amiconn. |
| 09:29:46 | ddalton | no I might have more luck with a shell script I can't work this one out. |
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| 09:30:59 | JerryLange | GodEater_: I am at the login screen |
| 09:31:14 | GodEater_ | ok - login as you do normally |
| 09:31:19 | GodEater_ | and then launch an Eterm |
| 09:31:52 | JerryLange | GodEater_: ok |
| 09:32:02 | GodEater_ | JerryLange: now type "su -" |
| 09:32:31 | JerryLange | it asks for a password |
| 09:32:33 | GodEater_ | type "rockbox" for the password |
| 09:33:04 | JerryLange | now says "debian:~# |
| 09:33:36 | GodEater_ | ok, now type "netstat -a | grep LISTEN" and tell me if you see anything in the list it shows that says "netbios-ssn" |
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| 09:35:23 | JerryLange | i tried -a | grep LISTEN and it says "-su: -a: command not found |
| 09:35:35 | JerryLange | sorry read it wrong |
| 09:36:24 | JerryLange | GodEater_: what am i looking for now? |
| 09:36:41 | GodEater_ | you got the "netstat -a | grep LISTEN" run okay ? |
| 09:36:54 | JerryLange | i see the netbios-ssn |
| 09:37:00 | GodEater_ | ok that's good |
| 09:37:10 | B4gder | netstat -al you mean? ;-) |
| 09:37:23 | GodEater_ | B4gder: any time you want to take over - you just jump right in :) |
| 09:37:33 | * | B4gder ducks and runs |
| 09:37:43 | GodEater_ | JerryLange: try you windows explorer again, and the "\\debian\user" please |
| 09:38:31 | JerryLange | FINIALLY wtf. ok now it asks for a username and password. |
| 09:38:44 | JerryLange | user, rockbox? |
| 09:38:48 | GodEater_ | use the same username and password as you do to login to the vm |
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| 09:39:14 | JerryLange | alright. thank you so much. do you know what the problem was? |
| 09:39:32 | JerryLange | GodEater_: thank you so much |
| 09:39:32 | GodEater_ | JerryLange: no clue - but I suspect the restart of the VM was all that was required |
| 09:39:37 | ddalton | did you get it working? The access from run? |
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| 09:39:52 | JerryLange | well this time i didnt tell it to remember me. |
| 09:40:15 | GodEater_ | JerryLange: now as to your original problem - I'm afraid I'm stumped on your compile error (assuming you're psycho_maniac in the forums) |
| 09:40:34 | JerryLange | yes i am i really should change my irc nick |
| 09:41:04 | GodEater_ | JerryLange: to be honest, I'd be tempted to wipe your entire svn tree, and checkout the whole thing again |
| 09:41:10 | GodEater_ | but it's up to you |
| 09:41:25 | JerryLange | thats what i was thinking actually but that takes awhile |
| 09:41:44 | GodEater_ | indeed - but it may be quicker than diagnosing what went wrong with your patching |
| 09:42:00 | JerryLange | im going to try this build i compiled in a new folder and see what that does. |
| 09:42:26 | GodEater_ | it's taken us nearly 4 hours to fix your VM issues after all :) |
| 09:42:46 | GodEater_ | JerryLange: while you still have that Eterm open |
| 09:42:55 | GodEater_ | could you type "apt-get install dillo" as well ? |
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| 09:43:24 | ddalton | I just need to work out how to tell when scripts are done and then I should be able to write this script |
| 09:43:26 | JerryLange | its working :D |
| 09:43:32 | GodEater_ | JerryLange: good :) |
| 09:43:57 | GodEater_ | JerryLange: dillo is a very small webbrowser - will be useful for you to post pastebin's instead of screenshots in future |
| 09:44:07 | GodEater_ | it's not very good for complex sites though |
| 09:44:19 | GodEater_ | so if you plan on doing much webbrowsing, you might need something better |
| 09:44:26 | JerryLange | whoops talked too soon. also i dont have like dsl internet just dial up. does this matter with vm? |
| 09:44:32 | GodEater_ | for pastebin though - it should do |
| 09:44:47 | GodEater_ | JerryLange: it shouldn't matter, it will just be slower is all |
| 09:45:02 | JerryLange | i got a lot of errors after i typed y to tell it to use 4mbs of space |
| 09:45:26 | pixelma | JerryLange: just reading the forum post (not the log yet) so maybe that's been asked before but: did you try a "make clean" and to configure again? |
| 09:45:44 | GodEater_ | JerryLange: maybe best to forget about that for a while then |
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| 09:46:25 | SofianBabai | back |
| 09:46:47 | JerryLange | forgot about "make clean" |
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| 09:49:04 | SofianBabai | amiconn: is it necessary to delete everything in the build dir? i've tried to build a voice file after another without typing a "make clean" and my voice file got messed up on my player |
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| 09:50:23 | B4gder | you should use the POOL |
| 09:50:38 | B4gder | then it doesn't matter that you remove all files between the builds |
| 09:51:01 | SofianBabai | but i don't understand what is a pool. a template ? |
| 09:51:17 | JerryLange | after i run make clean i repatch and then compile again? |
| 09:51:23 | B4gder | no, it's a directory where the script puts the output mp3 files |
| 09:51:32 | B4gder | so that subsequent builds can re-use them withotu regenerating them |
| 09:51:56 | SofianBabai | ok i got it. here i always delete the whole stuff |
| 09:52:00 | SofianBabai | to be sure |
| 09:52:03 | B4gder | yes you should |
| 09:52:09 | B4gder | except the POOL dir... |
| 09:52:17 | SofianBabai | really interesting those stuf... but so hard :( |
| 09:52:37 | SofianBabai | but where is normally the pool dir |
| 09:52:41 | B4gder | nowhere |
| 09:52:51 | SofianBabai | my mp3 files seem to be created in the root of the build dir |
| 09:52:58 | B4gder | you set the environment variable called POOL to mention the dir you want to use as pool |
| 09:53:00 | SofianBabai | Laughing Out Loud |
| 09:53:46 | SofianBabai | maybe in another life :) |
| 09:54:05 | pixelma | JerryLange: think I'd try a clean run without patches (and maybe you also need reconfigure) |
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| 09:56:01 | SofianBabai | thanks b4gder and all for all the help. think i will be able to do something for the project one day :) |
| 09:56:06 | JerryLange | alright thank you |
| 09:56:12 | SofianBabai | gotta work see you |
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| 09:57:45 | JerryLange | is the rockbox site down? |
| 09:57:52 | B4gder | no |
| 09:58:24 | JerryLange | when i run "svn up" i get svn: unknown hostname "svn.rockbox.org" |
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| 09:59:35 | LinusN | works for me |
| 09:59:36 | B4gder | that's not a problem in my end |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:16 | B4gder | and both the rockbox.org name servers are up and running fine |
| 10:00:42 | JerryLange | any idea why it wont work for me? and yes i went to svn.rockbox.org in my browser and it works |
| 10:00:50 | B4gder | ! |
| 10:01:34 | delYsid | browser cache... |
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| 10:01:53 | JerryLange | ? |
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| 10:04:00 | JerryLange | hmm |
| 10:05:39 | ddalton | delYsid: Can you help me on the community channel with BRLTTY? |
| 10:05:44 | ddalton | about BRLTTY |
| 10:06:22 | JerryLange | maybe ill restart vm and see if that fixes my problem |
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| 10:10:57 | JerryLange | i still get unknown hostname |
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| 10:21:17 | ddalton | delYsid: Around? |
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| 10:26:16 | psycho_maniac | Buschel around? |
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| 10:27:06 | delYsid | ddalton: sort of, I am at work and pretty busy right now. |
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| 10:35:20 | Zagor | do we know why system/OF.mi4 doesn't work on c200? |
| 10:37:01 | B4gder | Zagor: lowlight mentioned a theory about iram usage |
| 10:37:41 | B4gder | there's not that many people besides lowlight hacking on the c200 at that level afaik |
| 10:40:31 | B4gder | but, it seems we have problems to start the OF on the e200R and on some e200 models too now |
| 10:40:51 | B4gder | which may or may not be related of course |
| 10:41:31 | Zagor | aha |
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| 10:56:20 | petur | B4gder: re gsoc summit, did preglow and markun respond? |
| 10:56:34 | markun | no |
| 10:56:48 | B4gder | no, although preglow replied in the channel so I know he read the mails... |
| 10:57:34 | B4gder | I'm treating silence as a sign of inactivity ;-) |
| 10:58:17 | tomv_w | Hi. May I make a humble suggestion regarding the front page? How about actually linking each model's page from the list of supported models? Right now it takes three links from the list of supported models to the E200 wiki page... |
| 10:58:51 | scorche | i would rather them link to the manual than the wiki page |
| 10:59:01 | scorche | but, they seem fine for now |
| 10:59:28 | markun | scorche: or maybe link to the wiki and have a link to the manual there? |
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| 11:02:26 | tomv_w | scorche: at least in E200's case, I'd think it's interesting to know usb doesn't work and the information is more readily available from the wiki page... |
| 11:03:51 | B4gder | I think suitable links on the model names make sense |
| 11:04:26 | tomv_w | I've found it somewhat difficult to access port-specific information from the rockbox start page, so I usually click my way through main page -> development targets content -> devlopment targets -> wiki page without any useful (for that purpose) information in between. |
| 11:05:00 | B4gder | well, you can also do "wiki => SansaE200Port" for a two-clicker |
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| 11:08:16 | GodEater_ | B4gder: re: your blog posting on the ipod classic |
| 11:08:28 | B4gder | yes? |
| 11:08:32 | GodEater_ | there are a couple of steps you could add for the merely confident user, not just the brave ones :) |
| 11:08:38 | GodEater_ | like the output of fdisk -l |
| 11:08:51 | GodEater_ | and assuming there's a firmware partition as with older ipods |
| 11:08:54 | GodEater_ | a dump of it |
| 11:09:21 | GodEater_ | worth adding perhaps ? |
| 11:09:32 | B4gder | indeed, me update |
| 11:10:03 | GodEater_ | both steps seem uninstrusive to me, and avoid scratches to the case :) |
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| 11:10:49 | B4gder | yeps |
| 11:11:03 | GodEater_ | important to many apple users for some reason |
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| 11:24:11 | kicker | There is (in RB, I mean) an implementation of strcasestr which (as the comment says) is very fast. Why not adjust it for strstr? Or a these two funcs so different? |
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| 11:25:11 | Zagor | I would be surprised if the linux strstr isn't very fast too |
| 11:27:08 | Zagor | however if you enjoy that sort of thing, by all means dig in and start benchmarking. |
| 11:27:14 | kicker | Zagor: I have not looked inside strcasestr but I've heard that there are very fast string search algorithms (by Knuth & Co?). So I thought that strcasestr implements them. But for short strings it might not be worth the hassle. Simplicity is also a gift. |
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| 11:34:55 | Shijima | Hey Room |
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| 11:35:42 | markun | hi scorche |
| 11:35:49 | markun | eh, Shijima |
| 11:36:15 | Shijima | quick ? with the doon wads do i have to put them in diffrent folders |
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| 11:40:29 | markun | Shijima: no idea, did you check the doom wiki page? |
| 11:41:14 | Shijima | nah didnt think to |
| 11:41:17 | Shijima | brb |
| 11:41:24 | Zagor | if we want wiki links on the front page, we need to become better at keeping them updated. |
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| 11:43:50 | markun | Zagor: firefox here at work doesn't show the nice boxes around the various parts of the frontpage, any idea what could cause it? |
| 11:43:58 | Zagor | ! |
| 11:44:41 | Zagor | do you perhaps have a personal style sheet? |
| 11:44:51 | markun | not that I know of |
| 11:45:00 | markun | and other pages using css look just fine |
| 11:45:31 | Zagor | otherwise I don't know. they look fine in firefox for me. |
| 11:45:39 | Zagor | weird |
| 11:45:42 | markun | they also look fine in ff at home |
| 11:45:52 | markun | and in IE at work |
| 11:45:59 | Zagor | wow |
| 11:46:10 | Zagor | not an ancient version? |
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| 11:46:15 | markun | 2.0.0.6 |
| 11:46:32 | markun | same as I have at home |
| 11:47:42 | markun | I have no idea how to debug it |
| 11:47:52 | Zagor | me neither |
| 11:49:05 | markun | the CSS validator of w3.org gives a java servlet timeout |
| 11:49:46 | Zagor | lunch |
| 11:53:00 | Shijima | markun |
| 11:55:01 | Shijima | thank you for the help if your still here Night yall |
| 11:55:20 | markun | np |
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| 12:34:32 | preglow | jhMikeS: what, msac is slow? |
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| 12:39:40 | directhex|work | my gigabeat has started misbehaving :( |
| 12:47:31 | markun | in what way? |
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| 12:51:01 | directhex|work | it keeps forgetting settings between boots |
| 12:51:13 | directhex|work | i.e. turn off, turn on, i'm back to default settings with no music to resume |
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| 12:51:35 | markun | HDD problem? |
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| 12:52:41 | sammy | heya |
| 12:53:00 | directhex|work | markun, i haven't noticed any disk freezing or clicking though |
| 12:54:12 | sammy | hey, im new to ubuntu and i need some help converting videos for my gigabeat |
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| 12:54:39 | sammy | winff seems to work, ececpt it doesnt convert! |
| 12:54:44 | sammy | and same with vlc |
| 12:55:03 | directhex|work | markun, possibly a file system problem? shouldn't rockbox be able to report problems with writing the file if there are problems? |
| 12:56:54 | guest41 | i think there were cases of rockbox not saving its settings because of filesystem errors. try running chkdsk. |
| 12:57:06 | markun | sammy: in what way do they work but don't convert? |
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| 13:00:08 | sammy | well, on vlc, I get erroes, il paste soon |
| 13:00:16 | sammy | and on winff it just flashes a black terminal looking box |
| 13:00:51 | sammy | sam@Hummer:~$ vlc ¨/media/Downloads/rar/272.wmv¨ −−sout={#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,vb=600,width=320,height=240,acodec=mp3,ab=128,samplerate=44100,audio-sync}:std{access=file,mux=ps,url=¨office.mpg¨}}VLC media player 0.8.6 Janus[00000292] stream_out_standard private error: no access _and_ no muxer (fatal error)[00000291] main stream output error: stream chain failed for `std{mux="",access="",dst="{#transcodeaudio- |
| 13:01:07 | sammy | damnit, didtn keep structure |
| 13:02:24 | markun | sammy: use some pastebin site |
| 13:02:59 | markun | pasting multi line error messages in IRC is not very nice anyway |
| 13:03:29 | sammy | sec |
| 13:03:29 | sammy | il paste a line at a time |
| 13:03:38 | sammy | sam@Hummer:~$ vlc ¨/media/Downloads/rar/272.wmv¨ −−sout={#transcode{vcodec=mp2v,vb=600,width=320,height=240,acodec=mp3,ab=128,samplerate=44100,audio-sync}:std{access=file,mux=ps,url=¨office.mpg¨}VLC media player 0.8.6 Janus |
| 13:03:46 | sammy | [00000292] stream_out_standard private error: no access _and_ no muxer (fatal error) |
| 13:04:01 | sammy | [00000291] main stream output error: stream chain failed for `std{mux="",access="",dst="{#transcodeaudio-sync:stdurl=¨office.mpg¨"}' |
| 13:04:12 | sammy | [00000289] main input error: cannot start stream output instance, aborting |
| 13:04:22 | sammy | [00000280] main playlist: nothing to play |
| 13:04:27 | markun | sammy: don't paste in here! |
| 13:04:40 | sammy | well thats abouta ll |
| 13:04:41 | sammy | all* |
| 13:05:04 | markun | just don't do it |
| 13:05:29 | sammy | im getting up a pastebin site |
| 13:06:39 | Zagor | Q&A with steve jobs about iphone: Q: "Is unlocking a concern?" |
| 13:06:48 | sammy | http://paste.uni.cc/17151 |
| 13:06:53 | Zagor | Steve: "It's a constant cat and mouse game −− we have the same thing with the iPod with music." "We have to stay one step ahead of them." |
| 13:07:05 | B4gder | hahah |
| 13:07:29 | Zagor | I think that's the first I've seen about him commenting about this |
| 13:07:42 | B4gder | well, for iphone its a huge loss of revenue, but for ipod I don't see any great loss |
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| 13:07:59 | Zagor | rockbox users don't buy from itunes |
| 13:08:15 | B4gder | true, but I don't see how that's because of rockbox really |
| 13:08:26 | jbit | i assume he was refering to itunes hacks |
| 13:08:32 | jbit | (getting music without drm) |
| 13:08:41 | jbit | rather than running other firmwares |
| 13:08:44 | B4gder | yes I would rather think so too |
| 13:08:47 | Zagor | jbit: ah, right |
| 13:08:49 | Zagor | makes more sense |
| 13:08:55 | B4gder | but then again of course more and more music is sold DRM-free |
| 13:09:06 | B4gder | just not all of that on itunes... .-) |
| 13:09:42 | jbit | have apple actually done anything to prevent the current iphone unlocking hacks? |
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| 13:09:51 | B4gder | so that's just confirming that even Steve confuses itunes with ipod ;-) |
| 13:09:57 | jbit | i think maybe hes just saying stuff to save face |
| 13:10:17 | B4gder | I don't think they can do much to prevent the unlocking |
| 13:10:20 | jbit | (to at&t ;) |
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| 13:10:27 | B4gder | other than making it as hard as possible |
| 13:10:54 | jbit | i personally doubt apple even care that much |
| 13:11:28 | guest41 | sammy: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12210.0 |
| 13:11:34 | B4gder | applet get a share of the monthly fees, so yeah they care |
| 13:11:36 | B4gder | apple |
| 13:12:29 | sammy | thx |
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| 13:20:53 | markun | sammy: looks like there are some UTF-8 quotes in there, don't know if that's the problem |
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| 13:26:38 | sammy | mm |
| 13:26:46 | sammy | seems to convert now |
| 13:26:54 | sammy | but I cant find the output file |
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| 13:28:44 | markun | sammy: not in your home folder? |
| 13:28:56 | sammy | http://paste.uni.cc/17152 |
| 13:28:56 | sammy | it seems it outputted .flv |
| 13:28:58 | sammy | no |
| 13:29:00 | sammy | thats from winff |
| 13:29:01 | sammy | dw |
| 13:29:06 | sammy | ive looked |
| 13:29:40 | markun | well, I have no idea |
| 13:29:45 | markun | maybe someone else can help |
| 13:30:48 | sammy | if the output file is just set to office.mpg not `/office.mpg it should convert in the same folder right? |
| 13:31:00 | sammy | ~/office* |
| 13:31:55 | sammy | maybe I should add sudo at the end |
| 13:32:21 | sammy | front* |
| 13:33:45 | B4gder | I doubt a converter needs to run as root... |
| 13:34:02 | B4gder | unless you have the ownership of the target directory messed up or similar |
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| 13:37:16 | sammy | nope |
| 13:37:16 | sammy | bah, il work it out |
| 13:37:19 | sammy | thx for the help |
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| 13:43:53 | markun | Zagor: the site works fine again btw |
| 13:44:11 | Zagor | haha. any idea what fixed it? |
| 13:47:55 | markun | nope |
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| 14:01:42 | B4gder | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12790.0 |
| 14:02:02 | B4gder | time to re-iterate the "let's make a simpler and nicer gui rockbox" argument |
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| 14:08:36 | markun | B4gder: maybe he comes up with something nice |
| 14:08:48 | B4gder | hopefully, yes |
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| 14:25:11 | * | GodEater_ likes BigBambi's reply |
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| 14:26:00 | markun | GodEater_: I think he's a bit negative |
| 14:26:21 | GodEater_ | initially perhaps - but I think he finshed well |
| 14:26:37 | markun | true |
| 14:29:22 | directhex|work | it's pretty negative overall. the OP has some decent enough points. but whenever someone says "the project you've dedicated man-years to sucks" or words to that effect, it's more than normal to go on the defensive |
| 14:29:56 | * | amiconn agrees with BigBambi too |
| 14:30:05 | B4gder | not only that, it is just *so* easy to criticize and come up with all sorts of "good" ideas when you don't provide anything at all yourself |
| 14:30:17 | B4gder | apart from a list of ideas |
| 14:30:23 | directhex|work | B4gder, aye |
| 14:30:44 | B4gder | but yes, it easy to take criticism "personally" |
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| 14:32:10 | GodEater_ | until someone with those ideas comes along and actually spends some time attempting to implement them - I just don't see any of that happening. |
| 14:32:34 | GodEater_ | we don't handle such sweeping requests - for better or worse |
| 14:32:48 | B4gder | ironicly, 95% of these attempts halt when they start talking about which logo they should use |
| 14:32:55 | directhex|work | that's not always the case though - often with an OSS project, you can do as much work as you like on an idea, it still won't appear upstream |
| 14:32:59 | GodEater_ | hehehe |
| 14:33:19 | GodEater_ | directhex|work: he already talked about forking though |
| 14:33:27 | directhex|work | if upstream conceptually disagrees, then your idea is dead in the water. so it makes *sense* to start off looking for conceptual agreement |
| 14:33:32 | GodEater_ | then "upstream" would not be relevant |
| 14:34:03 | B4gder | directhex|work: yes, that's right |
| 14:34:21 | directhex|work | B4gder, so, how's album art support looking in trunk? |
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| 14:34:36 | B4gder | well, that's not shut down due to it not being appreciated |
| 14:34:51 | B4gder | that's just shut down because nobody did a proper implementation... |
| 14:34:56 | B4gder | until nico_p's gsoc work |
| 14:35:00 | markun | B4gder: should we tell him it's probably a copyright violation to use the Gigabeat splash in a WPS? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12759.0 |
| 14:36:04 | B4gder | you could if you bother enough, yes |
| 14:36:19 | B4gder | but it isn't clearly such a one |
| 14:36:30 | B4gder | I mean fair use etc |
| 14:37:24 | markun | yes, it's not like he's going to sell his WPS or something :) |
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| 14:49:01 | Llorean | Y'know, thinking about it, I'm somewhat surprised Apple didn't use the same kind of security on their database as they do on their firmware. |
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| 14:49:20 | darksaboteur | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY shithead |
| 14:49:31 | petur | rofl |
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| 14:50:14 | B4gder | Llorean: well, that would mean they would need to include that code in itunes and thus "expose" themselves quite a lot more |
| 14:50:40 | B4gder | I mean, whatever means itunes does it is just about diassembling itunes to figure it out |
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| 14:51:01 | jbit | Llorean: why would they do that anyway? to stop people using non-itunes software? how does that benefit them? |
| 14:51:17 | B4gder | so why did they add this new checksum/hash ? |
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| 14:51:27 | directhex|work | jbit, doing Not Allowed(tm) things like creating ringtones and not paying for them |
| 14:51:30 | B4gder | to make sure their own software works? |
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| 14:51:52 | directhex|work | or using non-ITMS music stores. or whatever |
| 14:51:53 | Llorean | B4gder: Yeah, but I mean it seems like this checksum turned out awful easy to bypass. |
| 14:52:06 | B4gder | true |
| 14:52:21 | B4gder | it makes you wonder what its purpose is |
| 14:53:09 | directhex|work | it's a set-up for dmca violation suits! |
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| 15:11:11 | GodEater__ | Llorean: have you got hold of the checksum defeating code to work out what it's doing? (i.e. what algorithm the checksum uses) |
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| 15:13:04 | Llorean | GodEater__: No, I haven't looked at it yet. |
| 15:13:23 | Llorean | I must say, I'm not *too* interested in it, though. |
| 15:15:20 | * | B4gder gets maaaany sansa firmwares from zefie.com to finally do the big key scan |
| 15:15:40 | GodEater__ | "big key scan" ? |
| 15:15:48 | B4gder | I'll scan them all for the mi4 keys |
| 15:16:21 | * | GodEater__ didn't know we didn't have all of them |
| 15:17:03 | B4gder | I'm sure most of them are using the same keys still though |
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| 15:19:59 | * | GodEater__ has oodles of respect for any successful cryptanalysts - working out how to turn random sequences of stuff into meaninful data |
| 15:27:34 | B4gder | 61 7zip files... |
| 15:27:42 | B4gder | now I'll just need to write a fancy script |
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| 15:28:32 | fir3 | hi |
| 15:29:49 | krazykit | good morning/afternoon/evening |
| 15:31:57 | fir3 | what player would you recommend me for use with rockbox? it should have long battery lifetime and shouldn't be too expensive |
| 15:33:37 | krazykit | let's see, we have a wiki page for this... lemme find it |
| 15:33:56 | krazykit | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide |
| 15:33:57 | sgsax | I'd say it'd largely be a matter of personal preference |
| 15:34:21 | sgsax | I just got a sansa e260 and have been very happy with it so far |
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| 15:41:19 | Zagor | badly-formed album art crashes the ipod classic. possible exploit vector... |
| 15:41:55 | B4gder | hey! |
| 15:41:56 | krazykit | not terribly useful, though, without knowing how to use any of the hardware. |
| 15:42:02 | Llorean | But it's a start. |
| 15:42:08 | B4gder | we "know" its an arm |
| 15:42:15 | Zagor | at least so says Peter Glaskowsky: http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9775240-7.html |
| 15:43:30 | GodEater__ | get in there now kids whilst that version of firmware is available :) |
| 15:43:37 | Zagor | hehe |
| 15:43:39 | B4gder | http://insecure.org/stf/smashstack.html ... |
| 15:43:45 | B4gder | the classic ;-) |
| 15:43:48 | GodEater__ | I read that article once |
| 15:43:50 | GodEater__ | :) |
| 15:44:18 | GodEater__ | assuming it's the phrack one |
| 15:44:51 | B4gder | it is |
| 15:45:25 | B4gder | Zagor: I found a new c200 mi4 key |
| 15:45:48 | B4gder | all those files and only one new key... :-) |
| 15:45:55 | Zagor | aha. hehe. |
| 15:46:15 | Zagor | apparently my old/original firmware had a different key |
| 15:46:24 | B4gder | 1.00.03? |
| 15:46:27 | Zagor | yes |
| 15:46:30 | B4gder | bingo |
| 15:46:47 | Zagor | that's why I couldn't install rockbox |
| 15:47:19 | Zagor | now we just need to fix usb or OF.mi4 to make it mother-in-law proof :) |
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| 15:48:13 | lymeca | Can Rockbox work on 1st and 2nd generation iPods? |
| 15:48:19 | Zagor | a downside to the OF.mi4 option is that the OF scans the files every time you disconnect USB. annoying, AND uses up precious disk space |
| 15:49:06 | B4gder | Zagor: yeah, it does that on the e200 too |
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| 15:49:16 | B4gder | lymeca: it already does in fact |
| 15:49:42 | lymeca | B4gder: so rockbox works on 1st-5th gen ipods and 1st gen nanos |
| 15:49:49 | lymeca | right? |
| 15:49:52 | Zagor | and mini |
| 15:49:54 | B4gder | yes, and the minis |
| 15:50:02 | * | Zagor fixes the front-page text |
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| 15:50:10 | B4gder | Zagor: hold on |
| 15:50:17 | B4gder | there's no bootloaders for the 1g2g yet |
| 15:50:25 | B4gder | so people can't really install it very easily |
| 15:50:36 | B4gder | which is why it isn't mentioned |
| 15:50:44 | Zagor | ah |
| 15:50:47 | lymeca | Boot loader... |
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| 15:51:05 | Llorean | lymeca: bootloader is the noun representing the file that contains the boot loader. :-P |
| 15:51:05 | lymeca | Hmm but once you install it it works right? |
| 15:51:37 | Llorean | lymeca: You can't install without a bootloader. |
| 15:51:50 | lymeca | Oh dear |
| 15:51:55 | Llorean | Anyway who installs successfully has compiled their own from SVN. |
| 15:52:35 | Zagor | so what are we missing to ship 1/2g bootloaders? |
| 15:52:43 | lymeca | Then how can you run Rockbox on 1st/2nd gens if you can't install it? |
| 15:52:53 | Llorean | Zagor: I believe we're missing a process to install them other than the old ipod_fw tool. |
| 15:53:04 | Zagor | ah |
| 15:53:14 | Llorean | lymeca: It can be installed, just not in an easy / "safe" way. |
| 15:54:26 | lymeca | Llorean: Is there a place I can go to read about the process? |
| 15:54:34 | lymeca | I don't mind it being difficult |
| 15:54:48 | B4gder | amiconn's the man to talk to about it |
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| 16:00:49 | Llorean | At least I *think* iPodPatcher doesn't work with firewire iPods. |
| 16:02:34 | fir3 | sgsax: what plugins are working with your player? |
| 16:03:00 | sgsax | everything I've tried has worked so far |
| 16:03:49 | fir3 | even video playback/games(doom) |
| 16:03:52 | fir3 | ? |
| 16:04:10 | sgsax | video playback: yes; doom: I haven't tried yet |
| 16:04:23 | sgsax | I got about 21-23fps on video |
| 16:05:39 | fir3 | is video still fine with 21fps? |
| 16:05:40 | obo | Llorean: I thought it was to do with being unable to shut the unit down (without booting into the OF) |
| 16:05:41 | JdGordon | without reimplementing the scrollbar logic.. does anyone have any idea how to rouphly guess which item in the list to select to have the scroll bit at a certain pixel on the screen? |
| 16:06:03 | sgsax | looked good to me |
| 16:06:22 | sgsax | foreground looked great, background got a little washed out |
| 16:06:28 | markun | Bagder: can you also try the new keys on the firmares that didn't pass? (philips HD6330 for example) |
| 16:06:29 | sgsax | at least on the elephant dream demo |
| 16:06:33 | Llorean | obo: The units never shut down, so it's really just a question of our sleep vs their sleep. |
| 16:06:49 | fir3 | sgsax: so i could even watch a movie without any probs? what codecs are supported? |
| 16:07:09 | sgsax | pretty sure the mpegplayer plugin only suports mpeg1 & 2 |
| 16:07:17 | obo | Llorean: true, but I don't think any way of making them sleep has been worked out... :) |
| 16:07:47 | B4gder | markun: I doubt that'll lead to anything... |
| 16:07:49 | Llorean | obo: Yeah, I believe amiconn's working on our sleep code, but I don't think that's what's preventing posting a bootloader, it's just what's in the way of that port being "working well" |
| 16:07:56 | fir3 | sgsax: these .3gp videos don't work, right? |
| 16:08:05 | sgsax | but there are good docs on the plugin wiki for converting |
| 16:08:27 | sgsax | at least not with the built-in plugin |
| 16:09:04 | sgsax | but if mplayer or vlc can play it on your workstation, you can convert it to mpeg and then upload it to your player |
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| 16:09:42 | markun | B4gder: ok, I thought that various firmwares used the same keys |
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| 16:10:00 | B4gder | I've not seen that on anything but the default key |
| 16:10:01 | delYsid | Is video supposed to work on sansas? I've been told the screen looks pretty scrambled when I try to playback a video. |
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| 16:11:03 | markun | delYsid: according to this list it works: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Performance |
| 16:11:25 | Llorean | delYsid: Are you sure the video was properly converted, and is in the format Rockbox expects? |
| 16:12:15 | low_light | Bagder: I see you found a new key...nice |
| 16:12:44 | low_light | The problem with the old firware loading rockbox was that the rockbox firmware.mi4 was not encrypted correctly and wouldn't. Will this help? |
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| 16:15:04 | fir3 | the sansa players have an sd card slot right? |
| 16:15:15 | sgsax | delYsid: I haven't tried converting one of my own yet, but the demo worked fine for me |
| 16:15:23 | sgsax | fir3: microSD |
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| 16:16:11 | fir3 | are these cards expensive? |
| 16:16:23 | Zagor | low_light: any idea what's preventing rolo/bootloader from loading OF.mi4 ? |
| 16:17:15 | delYsid | Llorean: I used the demo on the rockbox page, but honestly, I didnt check the format. |
| 16:17:17 | sgsax | fir3: shop around, I think I was able to find a 2GB card for <$30 |
| 16:17:21 | sgsax | (US) |
| 16:17:47 | delYsid | 4gb microsd is about 60 EUR around where I live. |
| 16:19:06 | pixelma | delYsid: you are using voice? |
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| 16:19:26 | * | markun remembers how amazed he was when he heard of a 1GB HDD for the first time.. |
| 16:19:28 | delYsid | pixelma: no rockbox, yes, on computers, usually not. I prefer braille. |
| 16:19:37 | low_light | Zagor: no. It's loading the OF (and presumably executing it), but it just freezes. |
| 16:19:39 | fir3 | sounds like the sandisk is a quite decent player |
| 16:19:40 | linuxstb | amiconn: Is the ipod 1g/2g bootloader in SVN OK to release? If so, I'll try and prepare it this evening. |
| 16:19:44 | amiconn | obo: I know how to put the 1st/2nd gen into suspend |
| 16:19:50 | amiconn | linuxstb: yes |
| 16:19:51 | low_light | I tried loading the rockbox bootloader into dram (0x10600000 like the OF bootloader) instead of iram, but it still freezes |
| 16:20:10 | delYsid | pixelma: s/no rockbox/on rockbox/ |
| 16:20:22 | fir3 | could there be any problems with the sandisk/rockbox/amarok? |
| 16:20:28 | sgsax | I've really been enjoying my sansa, and I bought a refurb so it cost about 50% of list |
| 16:20:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: I am running plain svn bootloaders on my 1st and 2nd gen |
| 16:21:18 | pixelma | yeah, I mean in rockbox - currently there is a bug when you use voice and mpegplayer, basically mpegplayer becomes unusable then. There already is a bug report for it. |
| 16:21:31 | sgsax | is the usb problem being actively worked on? |
| 16:21:36 | * | low_light sees that the sansa connect wifi is now down to $140 |
| 16:21:43 | delYsid | pixelma: oh, I see, thanks for making me aware. |
| 16:21:53 | sgsax | I may be able to help debug |
| 16:21:58 | delYsid | its not like that I really need the video player, it would just be nice for showing off :-) |
| 16:22:10 | sgsax | showing off is good :) |
| 16:22:11 | amiconn | Llorean: Ipodpatcher works nicely for installing the 1st/2nd gen bootloader |
| 16:22:11 | JdGordon | hey low_light, do you know anything about running code on the mr500i? or just the 100? |
| 16:22:16 | pixelma | delYsid: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7523 |
| 16:22:22 | fir3 | do all player support the rockbox feature "pull out headphones-pause-plug in-playback resume"? |
| 16:22:40 | low_light | JdGordon: just the 100 |
| 16:22:51 | Llorean | amiconn: When was that fixed. I know until recently people were still reporting troubles with RBUtil which was supposed to have code that would work for 1G/2G iPods. |
| 16:22:55 | JdGordon | :( ok |
| 16:23:01 | B4gder | mbrobe 100 is a PP target |
| 16:23:05 | delYsid | fir3: my sansa does not. |
| 16:23:05 | B4gder | 500 is a dm320... |
| 16:23:10 | B4gder | quite different |
| 16:23:22 | Zagor | not all targets have headphone detection |
| 16:23:36 | low_light | I thought there was linux on the 500 |
| 16:23:40 | JdGordon | yeah, ok, i was hoping the way to get the code on was the same though... ill just sit and wait for kkurbjan then |
| 16:23:43 | fir3 | too bad :/ |
| 16:23:46 | amiconn | Llorean: That was fixed a looong time ago, however, rbutil can't install a bootloader it doesn't have access to |
| 16:23:49 | B4gder | low_light: most likely yes |
| 16:23:52 | JdGordon | there is.. its painfully slow.. |
| 16:24:02 | B4gder | but they tend to not release any interesting code anyway |
| 16:24:08 | Llorean | amiconn: Hm.. Okay, my mistake then. I thought it was still reporting it couldn't detect the devices. =/ |
| 16:24:17 | B4gder | neuros of course has linux on a dm320 as well |
| 16:24:17 | delYsid | fir3: agreed, it would have been nice to have. |
| 16:24:28 | amiconn | Zagor: Speaking about headphone detection... there is a problem I have to solve for the 1st/2nd gen build |
| 16:24:40 | amiconn | 2nd gen does have headphone detection, 1st gen doesn't |
| 16:24:53 | amiconn | So there will be another dynamic option... |
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| 16:25:46 | sgsax | haven't tried headphone detection, but that's not a feature I was looking for |
| 16:26:10 | markun | fir3: only the ipods and the gigabeat support headphone detection I think |
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| 16:28:25 | B4gder | I've never quite understood that feature. who wants to pull their headphones? |
| 16:28:39 | JdGordon | its for when it accidnetly gets pulled out |
| 16:29:08 | B4gder | oh well, if it makes someone happy... |
| 16:29:16 | sgsax | the mini jack they use is pretty dang tight |
| 16:29:38 | sgsax | it has a very solid positive click when you plug in |
| 16:29:40 | fir3 | but the ipods are not fully supported and the gigabeat has no flash and it's hard to get one :/ |
| 16:30:23 | B4gder | I'm tempted to poke on the sansa view, as 16gb flash + microsdhc is a cool combo... |
| 16:30:41 | linuxstb | B4gder: Is that another PP ? |
| 16:30:45 | B4gder | i doubt it |
| 16:30:57 | B4gder | if it is PP, they have a co-processor of some sorts |
| 16:31:10 | B4gder | 320x240 h264 30fps video... |
| 16:31:16 | B4gder | they claim at least |
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| 16:31:31 | linuxstb | OK, PP seems unlikely then... |
| 16:31:46 | B4gder | yeps, unless they did like the ipod 5g |
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| 16:33:03 | fir3 | oh i see the ipod video supports video playback now |
| 16:33:30 | fir3 | btw is it possible to replace the batteries in the sansa players? |
| 16:33:37 | linuxstb | B4gder: Do you know what battery life is claimed for the View? |
| 16:33:55 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/17/rockbox-on-sansa-view/ ;-) |
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| 16:34:13 | B4gder | 35 hours |
| 16:34:14 | B4gder | audio |
| 16:34:26 | B4gder | pretty hefty claim |
| 16:34:32 | B4gder | 7 hours video |
| 16:34:58 | B4gder | that's another hint it isn't PP anymore I'd say |
| 16:35:07 | lazka | does the last commit of austriancoder mean i can now charge at full speed with rb? |
| 16:35:37 | GodEater_ | B4gder: sure is a pretty player |
| 16:36:01 | B4gder | I agree |
| 16:37:22 | GodEater_ | I could have sworn I read somewhere the other day that it's using a Samsung SOC thing |
| 16:37:23 | markun | I could imagine that ipod used a Samsung CPU again like the nano 2g |
| 16:37:32 | GodEater_ | but I can't for the life of me remember where I read that |
| 16:37:57 | B4gder | it's slightly confusing that sandisk reused the name sansa view |
| 16:38:09 | B4gder | googling for it shows so many hits for the older player with the same name |
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| 16:38:43 | GodEater_ | glad they abandoned that one |
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| 16:38:46 | GodEater_ | it was less pretty looking |
| 16:39:06 | elmargol | Hi I installed the current build of rockbox and the font is very tiny ist this normal? |
| 16:39:18 | fir3 | yes |
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| 16:40:10 | GodEater_ | elmargol: yes, just change the theme to something else. Make sure you installed the font pack too. |
| 16:40:52 | markun | GodEater_: http://www.macrumors.com/2007/01/21/xscale-arm-cpu-in-iphone/ |
| 16:40:55 | elmargol | Wich font does apple use? |
| 16:41:15 | GodEater_ | elmargol: it doesn't matter, since we don't have t |
| 16:41:17 | GodEater_ | *it |
| 16:41:18 | B4gder | elmargol: their own |
| 16:41:21 | sgsax | fir3: yes, sansa batteries are user-replacable |
| 16:41:29 | elmargol | ok is there a very similar one? |
| 16:41:38 | sgsax | elmargol: linux just calls it the mac font |
| 16:41:49 | sgsax | you can use it for your framebuffer if you want |
| 16:41:50 | fir3 | sgsax: usual aa batteries? |
| 16:41:52 | GodEater_ | elmargol: why don't you just look and see ? |
| 16:42:07 | sgsax | fir3: nope, it's a li-ion pack |
| 16:42:49 | fir3 | how does it look like? |
| 16:43:28 | sgsax | you should be able to google it |
| 16:43:28 | * | JdGordon is touch-screen/mouse king! |
| 16:43:35 | JdGordon | i got the scroll bar working |
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| 16:45:47 | GodEater_ | well done JdGordon :) |
| 16:47:41 | fir3 | looks like i found a replacement for my creative (was my last product from that company) zen micro |
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| 16:48:23 | fir3 | JdGordon: are you working on the ipod touch already? ;) |
| 16:48:37 | JdGordon | what you mean already? |
| 16:48:47 | JdGordon | rockbox was released on the touch 3 weeks ago |
| 16:49:30 | markun | B4gder: ah, found another Blackfin based player :) http://www.mp4nation.com/products/index.php?PID=V2000 |
| 16:50:01 | fir3 | you are fast :o |
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| 16:50:13 | B4gder | markun: looks nice |
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| 16:51:03 | JdGordon | # Games: NES, SNES, Sega Mega Drive, Game Boy Classic, Game Boy Advanced and Neo Geo Emulator <- the OF comes with those emulators? |
| 16:51:07 | fir3 | the ipod touch is expensive :/ |
| 16:51:53 | elmargol | there is no wikipedia for rockbox? |
| 16:52:01 | fir3 | rockbox supports neogeo and gameboy emulators? :o |
| 16:52:02 | markun | JdGordon: yes, but where are the buttons? |
| 16:52:13 | JdGordon | good point... |
| 16:52:15 | markun | fir3: no, only gameboy |
| 16:52:33 | petur | elmargol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox |
| 16:53:10 | B4gder | the rockbox wikipedia page is great |
| 16:53:26 | petur | and also http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4755?histring=wiki :) |
| 16:53:27 | elmargol | no i mean. can i have a copy of wikipedia on my ipod? |
| 16:54:19 | preglow | only thing wrong about the wikipedia page is that most of the wpses are ugly :/ |
| 16:54:22 | petur | elmargol: check the last link of me |
| 16:54:30 | fir3 | neogeo would be cool then i could play metal slug :D |
| 16:55:26 | GodEater_ | B4gder: I like the fact that even wikipedia is ambiguous about which version of the GPL we are under ;) |
| 16:55:32 | fir3 | no performance probs with the gameboy emulator? |
| 16:55:53 | B4gder | GodEater_: :-) |
| 16:55:54 | GodEater_ | fir3: depends which player you run it on |
| 16:56:07 | fir3 | sansa? |
| 16:56:25 | GodEater_ | fir3: couldn't say - I don't own one |
| 16:56:36 | * | B4gder never tried rockboy |
| 16:56:41 | B4gder | on _any_ target... |
| 16:57:10 | fir3 | sgsax: have you already tried rockboy? |
| 16:58:32 | sgsax | nope |
| 16:58:41 | markun | B4gder: the firmware of the Ainol V1000 looked like 1 big GPL (and other licenses) violation so I expect it's the same with the V2000 |
| 16:58:56 | Llorean | GodEater_: It could be that they're *not* being ambiguous, and think that whole "It's under any version of the GPL" clause is in effect. |
| 16:59:05 | B4gder | a good old chinese approach then |
| 16:59:08 | GodEater_ | Llorean: could be :) |
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| 17:13:11 | * | amiconn wonders why markun is hunting for those blackfin beasts |
| 17:14:09 | markun | amiconn: just for fun :) |
| 17:14:24 | markun | something different |
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| 17:36:40 | AKX | Hello. I installed the custom senab build of Rockbox to see how the piezo feature would work.. But does anyone know how to find it? |
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| 17:37:43 | markun | AKX: maybe you can find some info in the patch tracker entry for the piezo feature |
| 17:37:52 | Soap | AKX: I don't want to sound rude, but those builds (Senabs, etc.) are in the "Unsupported Builds" forums because we do not, and can not, offer support for them. That being said - I do believe questions regarding the configuration of the piezo are to be found in the forum thread itself. |
| 17:38:26 | AKX | markun, I'll look. And Soap, sure, I wasn't asking for.. official support, just wanted to see if anyone would know :) |
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| 17:40:47 | AKX | Ah. Solved. Piezo doesn't seem to be supported on a 5g. |
| 17:41:04 | AKX | Or.. Hmm. |
| 17:41:25 | Soap | AKX: That is all well and good, but as stated in the IRC topic - you are asked to read the IrcGuidelines wiki page, in which the off-topic nature of unsupported builds are addressed. Despite the slow nature of the IRC channel at this time of day, it is primarly a developement channel, and is logged. Piezo WAS supported on the 5G, I used to play with the patch, but haven't in months so I can not speak as to its current state. |
| 17:42:50 | AKX | Alrighty, Soap. I'll try and figure it out. Just going to say this - I've only had Rockbox for two days and I'm liking it much more than the retail firmware already :) |
| 17:42:51 | markun | but just a discussion about the piezo patch is not completely off topic |
| 17:43:19 | obo | I've got a slightly newer version of that patch at home, I'll have to post it at somepoint... |
| 17:45:17 | obo | it still sounds a bit odd without using timer_register |
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| 17:47:15 | Soap | I wish I understood that. |
| 17:47:17 | obo | amiconn: oops, my mind must be playing tricks on me again |
| 17:47:40 | fir3 | do sansa players support gapless playback? |
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| 17:48:08 | Soap | fir3: Sansa players support gapless playback on all natively gapless codecs, and on LAME mp3s. |
| 17:48:14 | obo | Soap: which bit? |
| 17:48:29 | Soap | obo: most all of it ;) |
| 17:49:23 | fir3 | is there anything bad about these sansa players? :o |
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| 17:49:55 | sgsax | other than USB not working (yet), nothing I can find |
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| 17:50:46 | DefineByte | which RB supported players feature line-out? |
| 17:50:57 | fir3 | sgsax: usb not working sounds bad :/ how do you organize your music/charge the player then? by booting the original firmware? |
| 17:51:22 | AKX | Oh, yeah, forgot.. How do I reset Rockbox's settings on iPod 5G/60GB? (I tried using the hold switch, but it either did nothing, or started the orig firmware.) |
| 17:51:38 | krazykit | fir3, yes, that's how. |
| 17:52:12 | fir3 | any idea if/when usb will work on sansa players? |
| 17:52:12 | obo | DefineByte: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 17:52:21 | Soap | AKX: you can reset the settings on your ipod by using the hold switch toggle /after/ rockbox starts to launch. |
| 17:52:36 | DefineByte | oh, thanks |
| 17:52:39 | AKX | When it's in the splash screen? Tried that, to no avail... |
| 17:52:49 | AKX | Do I need to toggle it on and off, or on only.. or? |
| 17:52:51 | Soap | fir3: You can use USB with your sansa e200 series player, you just need to reboot into the original firmware at this time to get USB mode. |
| 17:53:14 | obo | AKX: on, it should splash "settings cleared" or something similar onto the screen |
| 17:53:24 | AKX | Okay.. I'll try again. |
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| 17:53:42 | fir3 | sgsax: yep but are there chances someone will be able to make it work with rockbox too? |
| 17:54:09 | Soap | fir3: it is being worked on as we speak, so there is actually a pretty good chance. |
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| 17:54:35 | fir3 | anyone wants to buy a zen micro 5gb? :) |
| 17:54:49 | Soap | $10 |
| 17:55:03 | DefineByte | £5 |
| 17:55:04 | fir3 | €64 |
| 17:55:23 | fir3 | hey it can store 5gb ;) |
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| 17:56:09 | DefineByte | 5 gigabit? pah |
| 17:58:30 | fir3 | someone's selling the same player on ebay looks like it'll be about €30 :/ |
| 17:59:11 | Soap | ISHO technology is always worth more in the hand than in cash. |
| 17:59:53 | fir3 | yep that's why i never sell old devices/hardware |
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| 18:03:18 | sgsax | for charging and uploading files, I make sure the sansa is shut off (not just sleeping), and then plug it in |
| 18:03:37 | sgsax | the bootloader takes over and loads up the original firmware automatically |
| 18:03:57 | fir3 | i understand the people who would like to buy something from creative?.. |
| 18:04:38 | fir3 | so i can select which firmware to boot, alright |
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| 18:04:55 | sgsax | the biggest annoyance is that the original firmware wants to rebuild the database every time it comes up when plugged in |
| 18:05:07 | sgsax | and with a full device, it can take a while |
| 18:05:19 | krazykit | sgsax, not a problem if you don't use one of its supported filetypes, like vorbis ;-) |
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| 18:05:33 | sgsax | fir3: yes |
| 18:05:56 | fir3 | sgsax: the microsd card fully fits in the player, right? |
| 18:06:06 | sgsax | krazykit: lemme just start converting my mp3 collection then :) |
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| 18:06:19 | sgsax | I believe so, I don't have one, myself |
| 18:06:34 | sgsax | I got the e260 which is 4gb |
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| 18:16:19 | fir3 | can you set gamma level in rockbox? |
| 18:16:44 | fir3 | and does the sansa have a clock? |
| 18:17:05 | markun | fir3: no gamma adjustment |
| 18:17:25 | sgsax | many themes have a clock in the status bar |
| 18:17:41 | sgsax | but that can be easily changed in the wps config |
| 18:17:50 | sgsax | and there is a clock plugin |
| 18:18:15 | fir3 | markun: because no one wanted to work on it or because it's unsupported on the player? |
| 18:18:46 | krazykit | sgsax, no, lossy to lossy is bad! |
| 18:19:29 | sgsax | most of my mp3s are low-quality stream rips, anyway |
| 18:19:50 | fir3 | sgsax: but when batteries are empty the clock keeps ticking? |
| 18:20:14 | sgsax | haven't had mine long enough to drain the batteries yet |
| 18:20:57 | sgsax | I haven't read the manual yet, but I don't think there's a backup battery in there |
| 18:21:36 | markun | fir3: could be either. For the Gigabeat we don't have the datasheet of the LCD driver IC to know how we can change the gamma |
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| 18:22:37 | n1s | fir3: rtc fuctions in chips usually drain _very_ little power and the player has hardware protecting the battery from being drained too low when the player is on so you will always have enough to power the rtc |
| 18:23:00 | sgsax | now that's cool |
| 18:25:20 | sgsax | I'd like to find a theme that uses the vumeter plugin in the playback screen |
| 18:25:58 | n1s | sgsax: there are none |
| 18:26:07 | sgsax | not that I've found |
| 18:26:19 | sgsax | was hoping to find some kind of template to get me started |
| 18:26:31 | Soap | nor is there a way to mix plugins and wps screens in such a manner. |
| 18:26:51 | sgsax | I had wondered about that |
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| 18:27:28 | sgsax | I was playing with the simulator last night |
| 18:27:40 | sgsax | couldn't find the hotkey for the power/menu button |
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| 18:30:40 | sgsax | and there's no hotkey list for the sansa on the wiki |
| 18:31:02 | sgsax | but it does run great in wine on linux :) |
| 18:32:24 | linuxstb | It also runs great when you compile it as a native linux app... |
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| 18:34:45 | fir3 | cool i just read that it's possible to replace the zen micro hd with a cf card :o |
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| 18:36:12 | sgsax | easily, or a nasty hardware hack? |
| 18:36:54 | fir3 | i'm still searching for a guide but it sounds easy |
| 18:36:56 | low_light | sgsax: did you run the sim with −−background? |
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| 18:37:28 | sgsax | nope |
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| 18:37:48 | low_light | it will show you the button mappings |
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| 18:38:37 | sgsax | lemme build a native copy, first |
| 18:41:46 | GodEater__ | anyone looked at the stuff posted into the ipod classic thread ? |
| 18:41:54 | GodEater__ | No firmware partition at all! |
| 18:42:32 | linuxstb | Or maybe it's hidden like the E200R... |
| 18:42:44 | GodEater__ | I shall rephrase |
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| 18:42:51 | GodEater__ | no *obvious* firmware partition |
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| 18:43:09 | GodEater__ | I didn't buy the posters assumption that the firmware is in the iPod_Control folder either |
| 18:43:52 | linuxstb | I'm sure that fxb's ipod firmware download page includes the classic now. |
| 18:44:22 | linuxstb | Ah no, it doesn't... |
| 18:44:26 | GodEater__ | hehe |
| 18:44:54 | linuxstb | There's everything else though - 3G nano and iphone and touch... |
| 18:45:09 | GodEater__ | 3g nano would be interesting |
| 18:45:30 | fxb | linuxstb: it should. |
| 18:45:31 | fxb | mmh |
| 18:45:58 | fxb | first select box - bottom |
| 18:46:03 | fir3 | looks like the zen micro hd has the same size and connectors like usual cf cards http://www.hardwarezone.com/articles/print.php?cid=9&id=1331 |
| 18:46:13 | * | linuxstb should learn to use the scrollbar... |
| 18:48:10 | fir3 | the zen micro just reformats the cf card after the replacement and all is fine :o |
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| 18:53:16 | Soap | This is not a general MP3 player discussion channel. Please keep all discussion on topic. |
| 18:53:42 | GodEater__ | or earn the SoapSealOfDisapproval |
| 18:54:10 | preglow | hmm |
| 18:54:16 | preglow | any way to find out what os version my nano is at? |
| 18:54:37 | GodEater__ | boot into apple os |
| 18:54:37 | preglow | yes... |
| 18:54:47 | GodEater__ | it's under the menus somewhere |
| 18:54:52 | preglow | found out, i somehow misinterpreted the number |
| 18:55:21 | preglow | hmm |
| 18:55:29 | preglow | the firmware site has both 17.1.3.1 and 14.1.3.1 |
| 18:55:41 | preglow | would be hard to find out which of those i have, though, since all my ipod says is 1.3.1 |
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| 18:56:16 | linuxstb | I _think_ they're identical - you could download both and compare. |
| 18:56:28 | preglow | why would they offer identical firmwares? :> |
| 18:56:47 | linuxstb | Just a moment, I'll ask Steve, he's just sitting next to me... |
| 18:56:55 | preglow | cool! tell him i said hi |
| 18:58:12 | linuxstb | Anyway, enough of this nonsense, I'm going home. |
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| 18:58:45 | * | GodEater__ assumes preglow meant "please stab him in the eye" |
| 18:59:04 | preglow | i'd use the word "harpoon" instead of "stab", but basically, yes |
| 18:59:09 | GodEater__ | hehehhe |
| 18:59:46 | * | GodEater__ opens the classic firmware file up in a hex editor |
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| 19:00:19 | GodEater__ | no surprises so far |
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| 19:00:30 | GodEater__ | OSOS, AUPD, etc |
| 19:01:05 | preglow | i expect you'll encounter some... |
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| 19:01:25 | GodEater__ | preglow: you're right - there's an ascii picture of steve jobs with no clothes on |
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| 19:02:25 | Domonoky | whoa ascii porn.. :-) |
| 19:02:33 | GodEater__ | of steve jobs ? |
| 19:02:36 | GodEater__ | you freak :) |
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| 19:03:50 | preglow | any mob news? |
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| 19:13:07 | sgsax | low_light: the −−background tip was good, unfortunately, it doesn't help me on my laptop |
| 19:13:27 | sgsax | default keymappings are for the numpad, though curser keys work for basic navigation |
| 19:13:32 | Nico_P | preglow: sorry, no :( |
| 19:13:56 | Nico_P | preglow: right now I want to try moving "elapsed" out of struct mp3entrt |
| 19:14:11 | Nico_P | IMO it has nothing to do there |
| 19:14:38 | preglow | sounds reasonable |
| 19:16:21 | low_light | gsax: since you can build it, just edit uisimulator/sdl/button.c and change the button mapping it to something usable |
| 19:16:38 | low_light | sgsax: ^ |
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| 19:18:07 | GodEater__ | or turn numlock on |
| 19:18:34 | sgsax | I was hoping it would be something easy to hack, I'll play with it tonight |
| 19:19:19 | sgsax | numlock is a "special" key on this thinkpad |
| 19:19:37 | GodEater__ | shouldn't matter |
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| 19:19:48 | GodEater__ | it should still allow you to use the middle of the keyboard as a numeric keypad |
| 19:20:29 | GodEater__ | 789UIOJKLM,. are what is mapped here |
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| 19:21:05 | GodEater__ | actually so are 0P;/ |
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| 19:38:12 | amiconn | Nico_P: [19:13:56] <Nico_P> preglow: right now I want to try moving "elapsed" out of struct mp3entrt |
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| 19:38:25 | amiconn | ^^ the hwcodec playback engine needs it there |
| 19:39:06 | DarkJedi | Hey, I updated my iPod video yesterday with the latest build but now my themes arent displaying correctly, do I need an updated version of the theme or something? |
| 19:39:29 | * | ender` yawns |
| 19:39:32 | Nico_P | amiconn: does it really need it there or can I change that ? |
| 19:39:49 | amiconn | The hwcodec engine has no separate track management struct |
| 19:40:07 | amiconn | So it needs it there, unless you want to rewrite that |
| 19:40:13 | Nico_P | it only uses the struct mp3entry ? |
| 19:40:50 | DarkJedi | anyone? |
| 19:41:13 | Nico_P | amiconn: what file should I look at ? I'm in mpeg.c and it has a struct trackdata |
| 19:41:26 | amiconn | Ah, yes, it hast struct trackdata |
| 19:41:36 | amiconn | But that's only defined in mepg.c, nowhere else |
| 19:41:45 | amiconn | And the wps needs access to the elapsed time |
| 19:41:56 | amiconn | Why do you want to remove it *now*, btw? |
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| 19:42:18 | Nico_P | amiconn: I don't think the WPS is much of a problem |
| 19:42:20 | amiconn | I agree that it doesn't really belong there, but I'd leave it as-is until we switch engines |
| 19:42:39 | Nico_P | amiconn: it's a part of my merging MoB |
| 19:43:08 | DarkJedi | anyone help with this theme issue? |
| 19:43:10 | Nico_P | unless I don't put the id3 info in the main buffer |
| 19:43:27 | Nico_P | DarkJedi: best thing to do is to just ask your question |
| 19:43:33 | DarkJedi | i already did :) |
| 19:43:42 | Nico_P | oh sorry :) |
| 19:43:42 | DarkJedi | (18:39:03) (DarkJedi) Hey, I updated my iPod video yesterday with the latest build but now my themes arent displaying correctly, do I need an updated version of the theme or something? |
| 19:43:59 | Nico_P | DarkJedi: how old was the version you updated from |
| 19:44:00 | Nico_P | ? |
| 19:44:08 | n1s | DarkJedi: with that info all we can say is probably... |
| 19:44:19 | DarkJedi | around 3 months or something lol |
| 19:44:49 | Nico_P | DarkJedi: there have been some changes in the WPS code that made some WPS break |
| 19:44:55 | amiconn | How old was the version you upgraded from, what theme are you using, and what kind of "not correct" display are you experienceing? |
| 19:45:36 | DarkJedi | I was using the jBlack_glass one i believe |
| 19:46:10 | DarkJedi | the background image shows, but nothing else |
| 19:46:12 | Chronon | That requires a patched build. Did you apply the patches? |
| 19:46:35 | DarkJedi | no I didnt know about said patches, what do i need to look for |
| 19:46:36 | Nico_P | amiconn: do you agree that the ID3 info should go in the main buffer as part of MoB ? |
| 19:47:06 | amiconn | I think so, but you still have to buffer the info of the currently playing track somewhere else |
| 19:47:29 | amiconn | (where it's available all the time until the track ends, even if the track is way larger than the buffer) |
| 19:47:48 | Chronon | The theme should describe what patches it relies on. You can either find these in the tracker and try to patch the source yourself if you want an up-to-date build. Or you can look for a pre-compiled build that contains these. Often these pre-compiled builds lag behind SVN by quite a bit, though |
| 19:48:29 | Nico_P | amiconn: I agree about that, but IIRC I still had problems with "elapsed" |
| 19:49:04 | Nico_P | apparently the elpased time needs to be saved for the previous track too |
| 19:49:49 | * | Domonoky is experimenting with the sapi_voice.vbs script from the svn, trying to use it with rbutil.. one problem: if i issue a Speak command, i dont know when the generated wavfile is ready.. so at moment, i am to fast, and lame doesnt find a file to encode to a talk file.. :-/ |
| 19:49:59 | DarkJedi | Chronon, can i just use the jbuild-5g? |
| 19:50:23 | Chronon | It would seem so. I'm not sure how current it is, though. |
| 19:50:51 | DarkJedi | Chronon, ok thanks for your help, im gona try that now, stand by :) |
| 19:51:31 | Nico_P | amiconn: I had problems with codec_pcmbuf_position_callback() from playback.c:1400 |
| 19:52:01 | rasher | Domonoky: you should be able to read a "response" from the script on stdout |
| 19:52:14 | rasher | Domonoky: when the wav is done, that is |
| 19:53:27 | Domonoky | rasher: i dont think the sapi_voice sript resonds anything.. but i will try again.. |
| 19:53:55 | * | low_light loads the c200 OF from the rockbox bootloader |
| 19:54:02 | amiconn | Domonoky: (1) The vbscript is also able to execute commands, that's how voice.pl uses it (with the added advantage that starting a program this way (== creating a process) is *way* faster from vbscript (windows native api) than from the perl script (going through cygwin's posix layer) |
| 19:54:04 | n1s | wow |
| 19:54:13 | n1s | congratz low_light! |
| 19:54:20 | Domonoky | amiconn: i am using it this way.. |
| 19:54:38 | low_light | I tried so many thing I'm not sure which was the critical one :/ |
| 19:54:54 | amiconn | Then lame is only run after the wav is ready |
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| 19:55:12 | amiconn | All commands passed to the vbscript are serialized |
| 19:55:29 | amiconn | And if you need to sync - that's what the SYNC command is for |
| 19:55:54 | amiconn | voice.pl also needs to do that in order to know when the .mp3 is ready, in order to e.g. copy it to the pool |
| 19:56:05 | Domonoky | amiconn: but i use the sapi_voice.vbs script without the perl script.. |
| 19:56:32 | amiconn | You don't need the perl script, but you need to feed sapi_voice.vbs the same way as the perl script does |
| 19:56:38 | Soap | DarkJedi: the jbuild-5g is almost _six months_ old. Not much of an upgrade. |
| 19:57:03 | Domonoky | what does the SYNC command do ? |
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| 19:57:38 | amiconn | It just echoes its argument |
| 19:58:05 | amiconn | So if you wait for this echo, you know that the SYNC command executed, and hence all preceding commands executed as well |
| 19:58:23 | Domonoky | ah.. so i issue SPEAK ... then SYNC bla and wait for the response of bla ? |
| 19:58:39 | Domonoky | nice.. thats the way todo..:-) |
| 19:59:01 | amiconn | No, you issue SPEAK .... , then you issue EXEC lame ..... and finally you issue SYNC bla and wait for bla |
| 19:59:48 | amiconn | (and voice.pl issues SPEAK.... then EXEC wavtrim.... then EXEC lame... and then SYNC bla) |
| 19:59:50 | n1s | anyone against using an iniyializer for the screens[] struct in screeen_access.[ch] instead of having a function doing essentially the same? |
| 19:59:57 | Domonoky | no i will leave out the lame call and encode it my self.. to support other tts engines.. |
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| 20:00:05 | n1s | s/iniyializer/initializer |
| 20:00:27 | amiconn | Domonoky: You can do that, and still have the vbscript run the command. voice.pl also supports multiple engines |
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| 20:01:16 | Domonoky | amiconn. jeah i will have to think aout to integrate it best into rbutil.. :-) |
| 20:01:29 | rasher | amiconn: there's not much reason to do a special-case for sapi in rbutil |
| 20:01:36 | rasher | Since it's already running natively |
| 20:01:48 | amiconn | Yeah, maybe |
| 20:01:56 | * | amiconn still didn't try rbuitl |
| 20:01:59 | Domonoky | rasher: there is, SAPI with c++ is ugly.. :-) |
| 20:02:06 | preglow | rbutil rocks |
| 20:02:17 | amiconn | I have no use for it... |
| 20:02:38 | Domonoky | rbutil already can generate talkfile with espeak and flite, of course on all 3 plattforms .. :-) |
| 20:02:42 | preglow | me neither, but it's a nice app, worth checking out |
| 20:02:55 | rasher | Domonoky: No I meant that there's no reason to do the encoding inside sapi_voice.vbs |
| 20:03:02 | * | amiconn just uses voicebox for talk clips |
| 20:03:08 | Domonoky | rasher: true.. |
| 20:03:33 | rasher | The only reason it's done like that is that cygwin is dog slow |
| 20:03:35 | amiconn | Domonoky: In fact I was already pondering to handle sapi in an exe instead of a vbs |
| 20:03:59 | amiconn | It would improve things for sapi4, as the C++ api allows to set the speed (up to 8x) |
| 20:04:17 | amiconn | The automation interface is supposed to allow that as well, but it doesn't work |
| 20:04:31 | Domonoky | :-) |
| 20:04:43 | * | low_light curses cygwin |
| 20:04:59 | low_light | compiling is fast enough, but it sits on make for like 2 minutes |
| 20:05:10 | amiconn | But that's all cosmetic, not worth anything if the basics aren't stable |
| 20:05:18 | preglow | amiconn: what did you say made cygwin slow again? process creation? |
| 20:05:21 | Domonoky | if you do this in c/c++ i will nick your code... i took a look at microsofts doku of sapi for c++ and its horrible :-) |
| 20:05:21 | rasher | It's all the processes that are being spawned in the makefiles. |
| 20:05:25 | amiconn | And the vbs works, and it works very well as long as you stick to sapi5 |
| 20:05:32 | amiconn | preglow: Yes, mainly |
| 20:05:51 | amiconn | Domonoky: There are examples in vb... |
| 20:05:52 | preglow | you have to emulate fork() in nasty ways on windows :/ |
| 20:05:57 | preglow | that might be doing it |
| 20:06:15 | amiconn | The way cygwin implements fork() is documented somewhere |
| 20:06:28 | * | amiconn remembers having read that |
| 20:06:35 | rasher | $ time ./svnversion.sh |
| 20:06:35 | rasher | r14564M-070918 |
| 20:06:36 | rasher | real 0m0.498s |
| 20:06:38 | rasher | ouch |
| 20:06:52 | rasher | That's called approximately a million times during a build |
| 20:06:52 | preglow | damn |
| 20:07:00 | preglow | that's friggin nasty |
| 20:07:14 | amiconn | rasher: Did you look into converting buildzip.pl? |
| 20:07:22 | rasher | amiconn: I'm afraid not |
| 20:07:41 | low_light | I'll just sit and suffer then :) |
| 20:07:50 | amiconn | buildzip.pl is what annoys me most about the build system on cygwin atm - especially fullzips are slow |
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| 20:08:09 | amiconn | (which therefore also affects 'make install') |
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| 20:09:04 | webguest81 | hi |
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| 20:09:18 | amiconn | n1s: If you can manage all the ifdefing in the initializer - go ahead |
| 20:10:08 | webguest81 | is rockbox able to view .pdf or .lit files? |
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| 20:10:25 | webguest81 | is it able to fastforward\rewind movies? |
| 20:10:36 | amiconn | Ah, structs also allow designated initializers - so it shouldn't be too hard :) |
| 20:10:50 | Domonoky | jay talkfile generation works with rbutil and sapi.. now to find a nice way to integrate it ( the problem: sapi is only for windows ) ... me thinks about tts plugins for rbutil.. :-) |
| 20:11:28 | n1s | amiconn: yep, it was basically a search and replace with some tweaks |
| 20:11:31 | amiconn | rasher: svnversion.sh is only called once during a build afaik? Am I missing something? |
| 20:11:59 | amiconn | (btw, 0.7..0.85 seconds here) |
| 20:12:00 | rasher | amiconn: Hrm, maybe I remember wrong, I just seem to recall seeing it pop up often |
| 20:12:03 | n1s | webguest81 no, and no |
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| 20:12:12 | webguest81 | guess no one knows =( |
| 20:12:34 | webguest81 | oh ok thx n1s |
| 20:12:49 | rasher | Domonoky: I don't really understand this need for plugins in rbutil. Is there really any reason why users should have to download multiple files? And what's the benefit? |
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| 20:15:19 | Domonoky | rasher: we wanted to put non core features (like replaygain taggin or scrobbler submission) of rbutil into plugins.. to keeb bin size down, and not pollute it with functions.. |
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| 20:17:18 | preglow | is keeping the bin size down really so important that we want to complicate rbutil with plugins? |
| 20:17:40 | rasher | That's more or less what I'm wondering - is this significant enough to complicate things for the users? |
| 20:18:33 | Domonoky | codewise its not complicated.. qt provides plugin support.. and for users... hmm.. |
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| 20:18:47 | break- | i hate to ask this, but is there a general channel for asking questions about the stock sandisk sansa e series? |
| 20:20:18 | pixelma | low_light: nice progress! :) |
| 20:20:26 | Domonoky | if we would put a plugin download/install dialog into rbutil, is this to comlicated for the users ? |
| 20:20:50 | rasher | Domonoky: certainly more complicated than just having the feature available from the start |
| 20:21:08 | Llorean | rasher: Yes, but what about third-party features? |
| 20:21:21 | advcomp2019 | break-, you can try #rockbox-community or #AnythingButiPod |
| 20:21:24 | rasher | Such as? |
| 20:21:24 | Llorean | People like to make 'utilities' to do job X or Y. Download Album Art from Amazon, or some other source, etc. |
| 20:21:44 | rasher | So either include it in rbutil or deem it unrelated |
| 20:21:56 | Llorean | Instead of having to worry about which patches to include or not, plugins can make these things usable for the users until included in SVN. |
| 20:22:25 | Llorean | As long as plugin installation is easy enough, why *not* at least allow plugins? |
| 20:23:15 | rasher | I guess you could, but I really think it'd have to be more unrelated that voice generation |
| 20:23:34 | Llorean | Yeah, for me plugins should be things like "Album Art download" or "Image scaling" or possibly even "Video Conversion" |
| 20:23:56 | Llorean | Basically things currently handled by third-party apps, but that it would be nice to offer on the "Extras" page. |
| 20:24:07 | rasher | I mean, it's great that qt offers plugin support, but we don't have to use it Just Because |
| 20:24:24 | Domonoky | jeah, i wouldnt want the talk generation as a plugins.. more the tts engines used by this.. (eg. qt code that uses the sapi_voice script..) |
| 20:24:33 | Llorean | Plugins do mean we don't have to constantly publish new versions of RButil every time someone wants it to do something new. |
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| 20:25:56 | Domonoky | for the tts engines it would be nice, because you only need one at a time, but there are many different ones with different options and differnt logic how to use it.. |
| 20:27:20 | Domonoky | so a plugin with a voice(..) function and a configure screen... for every tts engine we would support.. :-) |
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| 20:27:54 | rasher | So you'd have to download 4 different plugins if you want to try out flite, festival, espeak and sapi? |
| 20:28:28 | rasher | I don't see why you wouldn't include this in the core |
| 20:28:44 | Domonoky | jup, in addition to installing flite/espeak etc on your system.. |
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| 20:30:58 | webguest58 | i've got a question about the database functionality - i've got an iriver ihp-120 and i just installed the latest rockbox |
| 20:31:32 | webguest58 | when i turn on my mp3 player i get the message "commiting database [1/9]" but it never goes through the other steps |
| 20:31:57 | webguest58 | whenever i select database from the main menu it says "database is not ready. initialize now?" |
| 20:32:05 | webguest58 | when i try to initialize it, it never finishes |
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| 20:32:29 | webguest58 | so i go to debug, under database info and it says "DB ready: no" |
| 20:32:33 | Llorean | webguest58: This usually means you have files with bad tags. What format is your music in? |
| 20:32:35 | webguest58 | progress: -1% |
| 20:32:39 | webguest58 | mp3 and FLAC |
| 20:32:40 | | Part break- |
| 20:33:02 | webguest58 | i had added some WMA and MPEG-4 which i thought might be the problem, so i deleted them and tried again |
| 20:33:03 | Llorean | Do your FLACs *only* have Vorbis comments? Sometimes they end up with ID3 tags. |
| 20:33:09 | amiconn | Llorean: To me this just means there's a bug in the database code |
| 20:33:18 | Llorean | amiconn: Means the same thing to me. :) |
| 20:33:18 | webguest58 | not sure..how can i find out? i'm on ubuntu linux |
| 20:33:27 | webguest58 | i've never had a problem with flac before |
| 20:33:28 | Llorean | webguest58: Did you create them with grip? |
| 20:33:33 | webguest58 | no |
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| 20:33:47 | webguest58 | my most recent FLAC's have been with sound juicer, but the database worked fine |
| 20:33:55 | webguest58 | what i added most recently was some new mp3's |
| 20:34:12 | Llorean | Have you tried removing those and re-initializing then? |
| 20:34:28 | pixelma | maybe your mp3s have APE tags? |
| 20:34:46 | Llorean | I think Rockbox safely ignores APE tags, though. Not sure if they affect database building. |
| 20:34:46 | webguest58 | i'm not sure which ones they are, and i've got about 15 GB of music on there so i don't want to have to copy it all over..is there a way to check the tags straight off the player? |
| 20:34:50 | * | rasher wonders why the database breaks on bad tags, rather than ignoring them |
| 20:35:17 | webguest58 | is there an error message log i could check? |
| 20:35:26 | Llorean | rasher: It may not be "bad tags" but it's almost always a problem song/file of some sort. |
| 20:35:35 | webguest58 | alright |
| 20:35:42 | webguest58 | is it something i can fix in the audio file? |
| 20:35:47 | webguest58 | like correcting the tag/information? |
| 20:35:52 | rasher | Llorean: Still, this shouldn't cause a crash in any case |
| 20:36:09 | Llorean | rasher: I agree. |
| 20:36:16 | webguest58 | well it's not a crash, per se, just the database not working−−it hasn't locked up or anything |
| 20:36:22 | pixelma | webguest58: yes, if that's the cause you can fix the tags in the files |
| 20:36:27 | Llorean | webguest58: Unfortunately, you'll have to figure out what file is causing it (if any) first. |
| 20:36:51 | webguest58 | alright, well i guess i could check the dates to see which ones i added most recently..what should i look for as far as problem tags? |
| 20:37:05 | rasher | It would be really helpful if the database debug screen showed the name of the last file it tried to read |
| 20:37:14 | amiconn | rasher: That's why I said it means there must be a bug in the database code |
| 20:37:14 | webguest58 | definitely |
| 20:37:15 | n1s | webguest58: we would actually be interested in such a file so we can fix the code so if you find out which files cause it could you send it to some interested rockbox dev? |
| 20:37:41 | amiconn | No matter what tags you throw at it, it should ignore them when they're invalid, but not freeze or crash |
| 20:37:56 | webguest58 | yes i will−−i just found the last two albums i added, and i'm about to check the tags and i'll tell you what i see |
| 20:37:56 | Llorean | If database scanned in the foreground, it could actually provide the user with information when it failed, couldn't it? |
| 20:38:00 | n1s | webguest58: the easies way to find which files break it is via a "binary search" |
| 20:38:11 | rasher | Perhaps it would be interesting to try a file-fuzzer |
| 20:38:48 | rasher | Not in your case, webguest58. Just generally, to expose rockbox bugs |
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| 20:39:29 | amiconn | Llorean: Why should it? Database scan should never fail, just skip invalid files |
| 20:39:46 | webguest58 | i checked a file from each of the two albums, using the "file" command-line program under linux; here's the output: "Audio file with ID3 version 23.0 tag, MP3 encoding" |
| 20:39:58 | webguest58 | the second file is exactly the same except it says "version 24.0" |
| 20:40:00 | Llorean | amiconn: Yeah, but it could then provide feedback as to which files were skipped that are of valid formats. |
| 20:40:07 | webguest58 | do you know of a problem with either of those versions? |
| 20:40:13 | * | amiconn much prefers to be able to use rockbox while it is scanning in the gackground |
| 20:40:21 | webguest58 | i agree |
| 20:40:25 | amiconn | *background |
| 20:40:29 | webguest58 | but it would be nice to have an option to scan in the foreground |
| 20:40:30 | Llorean | amiconn: Well, a log would be equally suitable. |
| 20:40:47 | rasher | Llorean: far more suitable if you ask me |
| 20:40:51 | amiconn | Well, you already have that option |
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| 20:41:44 | webguest58 | i'm pretty sure a lot of my other mp3s that work fine are id3 version 23 |
| 20:42:08 | rasher | webguest58: it's almost certain to be more specific than just the id3 version |
| 20:42:25 | webguest58 | so i need more tag info? |
| 20:42:39 | webguest58 | how can i get more specific info? |
| 20:42:41 | rasher | First you need to figure out if these are the problem files |
| 20:43:06 | * | Domonoky is back from the phone.. and is still thinking about plugins for rbutil.. we could even compile the most common tts plugins into rbutil.. |
| 20:43:06 | webguest58 | ok, i'll remove the two albums and see if i can get a proper database |
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| 20:43:39 | Llorean | Domonoky: If they are plugins, we should provide all the official TTS ones (plugins in SVN) as either part of the rbutil download, or as one archive on the extras page. |
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| 20:43:48 | Llorean | Domonoky: Which then rbutil could download and install for itself. |
| 20:44:18 | rasher | I really dislike this idea of rbutil downloading executables. |
| 20:44:57 | low_light | arm asm question...why do I have to use "ldr r2, =0xfff0" instead of "mov r2, #0xfff0"? |
| 20:45:00 | Domonoky | we could even put those svn plugins into the rbutil.exe... but then we would have an interface for external tts plugins.. |
| 20:45:04 | rasher | Where would it save them? This is rather awkward on Linux, especially assuming a Debian/ubuntu package |
| 20:45:12 | rasher | Domonoky: that seems much asner |
| 20:45:15 | rasher | Domonoky: saner |
| 20:45:22 | webguest58 | on the building database screen it says "building database...0 found" and that number never gets above 0 |
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| 20:45:55 | webguest58 | that number used to count up into the thousands, as i have a large collection of songs |
| 20:46:13 | webguest58 | i've removed the two possibly problem albums of mp3s, but the database is still not building |
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| 20:50:33 | webguest58 | i can't get the database to build at all any more, even after removing the files i've added since the last time it worked |
| 20:50:52 | webguest58 | is the next thing for me to try to just remove all the files and start over? |
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| 20:54:27 | webguest58 | do you have any more suggestions? |
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| 20:55:22 | Domonoky | webguest58: remove the tcd files in the .rockbox dir.. |
| 20:55:31 | webguest58 | ok |
| 20:55:32 | webguest58 | what does that do? |
| 20:55:58 | Domonoky | remove the db complety.. |
| 20:56:10 | Domonoky | so you can let it recreate |
| 20:58:09 | webguest58 | i removed the files, turned off the player, turned it back on, went to database, started to initialize it, but it still says (building database... 0 found) and that number never gets bigger than 0 |
| 20:59:28 | webguest58 | under database info in debug it says "initialized: yes; DB ready: no; ram cache: no; ram: 0/0 B; progress -1% (0 entries); commit step: 0; commit delayed: no" |
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| 21:02:38 | webguest58 | i just removed rockbox.tagdb as well |
| 21:03:26 | webguest58 | i think it's building now−−apparently removing rockbox.tagdb was what did it |
| 21:03:51 | n1s | webguest58: try scanning your disk with scandisk or fsck.vfat or whatever similar tool to see if it has errors |
| 21:03:52 | webguest58 | i had had a lot of wma's with very large comment tags, and i noticed these long comments in one of the tag database files−−i don't know if that could have caused the problem |
| 21:04:14 | webguest58 | should i wait to scan until it finishes building the database, or stop it and scan now? |
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| 21:07:26 | n1s | webguest58: doesn't matter, just ruling out possible disk corruption as a source of the troubles but the tags are more likely I'd say |
| 21:07:52 | webguest58 | well apparently it's building the database right now, but i'll definitely scan it once it's done |
| 21:08:33 | webguest58 | the player has been bumped around a bit though..i'm not really sure exactly how fragile or sturdy these things are, but reading files from disk takes a long time sometimes and i don't know if that's normal |
| 21:09:08 | n1s | webguest58: they can usually take quite a beating :-) |
| 21:09:37 | webguest58 | that's what i thought |
| 21:10:00 | webguest58 | is there a way to reformat the disk and put rockbox back on afterwards? |
| 21:10:33 | webguest58 | if i've got filesystem problems (hoping that there's nothing wrong physically with the drive...) i thought reformatting would be the easiest way to take care of any potential problems |
| 21:13:01 | sgsax | flash memory is usually pretty durable |
| 21:13:06 | webguest58 | obviously that would destroy the .rockbox directoy, and i didn't know enough to know if i would lose all of rockbox along with it..or is rockbox loaded in the firmware, and the directory only used for configuration storage, etc.? |
| 21:14:01 | Llorean | webguest58: Generally speaking, you need the Rockbox directory, but you'll be able to extract a new one onto the player after deleting it. |
| 21:14:06 | sgsax | depends on the nature of the possible failure |
| 21:15:36 | webguest58 | do you know the command for formatting it correctly using a linux machine? |
| 21:16:40 | n1s | webguest58: mkfs.vfat |
| 21:17:46 | webguest58 | are all the default settings appropriate? (such as sectors-per-cluster, logical-sector-size, etc.) |
| 21:17:55 | sgsax | should be |
| 21:18:03 | webguest58 | ok thanks i'll try that |
| 21:18:14 | sgsax | unless you're really picky about that kind of thing and want to do your own tuning |
| 21:18:28 | webguest58 | i wouldn't even know how |
| 21:18:46 | sgsax | same here, that's why I just trust the defaults :) |
| 21:18:51 | webguest58 | does it degrade battery performance to use the player while it's charging, or should i wait till it's fully charged before using it? |
| 21:18:56 | sgsax | guess that makes me less geeky |
| 21:19:32 | sgsax | I charged mine for maybe an hour when I first got it, so it's never really been fully charged |
| 21:19:50 | sgsax | probably depends on the player and what its power circuit is like |
| 21:20:05 | webguest58 | i've almost always let it almost die, and then completely recharge before using it again, which i thought would lead to longer battery life |
| 21:20:25 | webguest58 | but lately i've noticed the length of use after a full charge has decreased noticeably |
| 21:20:26 | sgsax | supposedly |
| 21:20:32 | sgsax | how old is it? |
| 21:20:55 | sgsax | li-ion batts degrade over time, I think you start noticing it after about a year |
| 21:21:08 | sgsax | at least on laptops |
| 21:21:11 | webguest58 | i'm not exactly sure. a friend gave it to me. i don't think he'd used it very much, but he'd had it a long time i think. |
| 21:21:56 | webguest58 | it used to be that i'd go for sometimes weeks without recharging it, now i have to charge it every few days |
| 21:22:02 | tumu | dumb compiles and links |
| 21:22:29 | rasher | You're not supposed to let li-ion batteries discharge fully |
| 21:22:38 | rasher | They like frequent re-fills, afaik |
| 21:23:29 | webguest58 | dangit..i usually let it get down to where it give a low battery alert and shuts off. sometimes it gets so low the backlight starts to flicker and it doesn't have enough power to read the disk, but i try to shut it off before it gets to that point. |
| 21:23:56 | webguest58 | but i guess my philosophy of letting it completely discharge hasn't helped it |
| 21:24:30 | Llorean | li-ion are supposed to like frequent, shorter charges according to what i've read too. |
| 21:24:36 | webguest58 | would it be better to charge it whenever the battery meter gets down to about 25% or what do you recommend? |
| 21:24:36 | n1s | afaik the three things that li-ion batteries like the least are being (1) hot, (2) deep discharged, (3) fully charged for during a long time |
| 21:24:45 | Llorean | Then again, li-ion also just lose a decent chunk of capacity every year no matter what |
| 21:25:06 | Llorean | n1s: And I imagine charges from 0% to 100% make them hotter than from 80% to 100% :) |
| 21:25:54 | webguest58 | according to wikipedia, my player (iHP-120) has a li-polymer battery |
| 21:25:59 | webguest58 | is that significantly different? |
| 21:26:26 | Llorean | Not really, no. |
| 21:26:36 | n1s | Llorean: probably :) also for example leaving the dap in a car on a hot summer day is A Bad Thing (tm) |
| 21:26:40 | * | amiconn votes for removing pluginlib_actions.* _asap_, and reverting to individual button handling for plugins |
| 21:26:43 | Llorean | webguest58: Replacement batteris are available though. |
| 21:26:52 | Llorean | amiconn: For all plugins? |
| 21:26:58 | amiconn | Perhaps using the action system - that's up to the plugin author/maintainer |
| 21:27:16 | amiconn | But pluginlib_actions causes more problems than it solves |
| 21:27:17 | Llorean | n1s: Yes, the only one I don't mind leaving in my car is my Nano, because it's sole job is to run in my car, while plugged into an adapter. |
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| 21:27:41 | webguest58 | dang..i've left it in the car tons of times |
| 21:28:00 | webguest58 | is it pretty easy/cheap to change the battery yourself? or do you have to send it in |
| 21:28:26 | amiconn | I wouldn't leave a LiIon powered device in the car on hot summer days |
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| 21:28:55 | sgsax | old nimh liked a full drain before a recharge |
| 21:29:02 | sgsax | come to think of it |
| 21:29:08 | Llorean | webguest58: It involves removing 15 screws, the disk, and somewhat wedging out and in a plug, but it's really not very bad despite the sound of it. |
| 21:29:23 | Llorean | webguest58: Batteries are available for less than US$30 for it. |
| 21:30:44 | webguest58 | i've taken apart a couple palm pilots before so i think i could handle it..though i don't know much about electronics. are there detailed pictures anywhere online that you know of? |
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| 21:31:46 | Llorean | webguest58: http://www.misticriver.net/wiki/index.php/H1xx_Internal_Battery_Replacement |
| 21:32:11 | webguest58 | thanks |
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| 21:33:04 | pixelma | Llorean: I got weird problems when working on the patch for the c200 buttons in plugins - and it took really long to find out what was going on because I had to look in a few places. When thinking of changing the keymap in the pluginlib, I always get to the point "what impact does it have on other plugins" - and there are already hacks in e.g. bubbles.c (the first plugin that was moved over!) to circumvent the problem... basically defining on own |
| 21:33:49 | pixelma | sorry for lengthy statement |
| 21:33:51 | Llorean | pixelma: If it doesn't do what it's supposed to do, then no reason to keep it around, I guess. :_ |
| 21:33:53 | Llorean | :) |
| 21:33:57 | linuxstb | Can ipod owners give the new ipodpatcher release a quick test? http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher.zip |
| 21:34:33 | preglow | jhMikeS: alive? |
| 21:35:50 | linuxstb | amiconn: Can you build an amd64 binary? The bootloader binaries are at http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloaders.zip |
| 21:37:10 | webguest58 | thanks everyone for all your help and the info. i appreciate it! later |
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| 21:41:10 | low_light | preglow: maybe you can help...I asked this earlier: why do I have to use "ldr r2, =0xfff0" instead of "mov r2, #0xfff0"? |
| 21:41:42 | amiconn | Because 0xfff0 can't be used as an immediate constant |
| 21:41:50 | amiconn | (on arm) |
| 21:42:43 | low_light | "immediate constant"? |
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| 21:43:45 | low_light | turns out the c200 OF wants some magic numbers in r0-r3 when it loads |
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| 21:44:25 | amiconn | low_light: ddi0100e_arm_arm.pdf part A section 5.1.3 |
| 21:44:46 | amiconn | (page 222) |
| 21:44:50 | preglow | low_light: you can only load constants formed from rotated eight bit constants on arm |
| 21:45:05 | preglow | low_light: 0xff00 would be ok, 0xfff0 is four bits too many |
| 21:45:32 | amiconn | And the rotation must be by an even number of bits |
| 21:45:43 | preglow | low_light: that particular constant i'd code as "mov r2, #0xff00; orr r2, r2, 0xf0;" though |
| 21:46:34 | amiconn | That ldr is easier to write & understand, and I doubt that it's slower than the mov/orr |
| 21:46:50 | preglow | yeah, but the second is very common |
| 21:47:13 | amiconn | I know that it is common, but I don't understand why |
| 21:47:16 | preglow | for some reason |
| 21:47:30 | amiconn | Maybe it's a leftover from earlier arm generations |
| 21:47:43 | low_light | here's the magic numbers: http://rafb.net/p/xT2a4i62.html |
| 21:48:01 | preglow | amiconn: well, in theory, the second one is one cycle faster |
| 21:48:11 | preglow | ldr can be three cycles minimum |
| 21:48:18 | preglow | the mov + orr sequence is always two cycles |
| 21:48:32 | preglow | depending on arm revision, of course, talking arm7tdmi here |
| 21:48:36 | amiconn | Where did you find arm execution times? |
| 21:48:39 | low_light | it's probably more straight forward to leave it as is. |
| 21:48:54 | preglow | amiconn: either arm arm or some other doc on arm.com |
| 21:49:03 | preglow | amiconn: i would be surprised if the arm arm doc didn't have it |
| 21:49:13 | linuxstb | So how does the ldr work? Is it encoded in more than 32 bits? |
| 21:49:14 | amiconn | I couldn't find it there |
| 21:49:17 | preglow | linuxstb: 32 bits |
| 21:49:42 | amiconn | linuxstb: No, it performs a pc relative load, and dumps the constant into the constant pool |
| 21:49:51 | preglow | linuxstb: ldr rx, =0xbleh is coded as ldr lr, [pc, #offset] plus one entry in the constant pool |
| 21:49:55 | preglow | so it's turned into 64 bits effectively |
| 21:50:00 | preglow | the same amount as the two instruction sequence |
| 21:50:38 | Soul-Slayer | Am I just unlucky, or does the Ipod Mini G2 not go directly into disk mode when the USB is entered now, instead it crashes? |
| 21:51:03 | preglow | amiconn: probably found it in the arm7tdmi doc on arm.com |
| 21:51:18 | linuxstb | preglow: Ah OK, so it's not really an instruction, the assembler expands it? |
| 21:51:21 | * | amiconn wonders whether sh-elf-as also understands that =<constant> shortcut |
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| 21:52:04 | amiconn | Soul-Slayer: That's a known problem and affects all ipods |
| 21:52:10 | Soul-Slayer | Ah, okay. |
| 21:52:17 | amiconn | It's build dependent though, and we don't know why that happens |
| 21:52:36 | amiconn | So if you're lucky, the next build you install won't have that problem |
| 21:53:00 | preglow | linuxstb: well, it's kind of a mix between an instruction and an asm macro |
| 21:53:09 | preglow | linuxstb: it is very common, though, all arm assembler i know of supports it |
| 21:53:58 | preglow | assemblerS |
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| 22:08:04 | preglow | what the hell has happened with arms docs section |
| 22:08:07 | preglow | amiconn: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0210c/Chdbedbg.html |
| 22:08:19 | preglow | i can't find any pdf anymore, but this is the same info |
| 22:09:09 | Bagder | has anyone figured out how to control the SDRAM timings in PP chips? |
| 22:09:38 | preglow | i don't think so, no |
| 22:09:44 | preglow | we don't really know much about configuring timings at all |
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| 22:09:51 | Bagder | MrH asks... |
| 22:10:02 | rasher | Bagder: any chance you could replace [rR][0-9][0-9][0-9]+ with a link to http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=$1 in the logs? |
| 22:10:20 | rasher | Like the flyspray links now |
| 22:10:23 | Bagder | seems like a good idea |
| 22:10:37 | Bagder | it's zagor's script so I prefer him doing it though |
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| 22:11:47 | * | linuxstb repeats his request for testers of the new ipodpatcher and bootloaders release - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher.zip (win32, linux and mac binaries included) |
| 22:13:09 | low_light | linuxstb: what is needed to use sansapatcher for the c200? |
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| 22:13:35 | pixelma | Bagder: I made c200 drawings and also have the small png here for the build table, in case you already want it in preparation... |
| 22:13:50 | preglow | Bagder: what's he up to... |
| 22:14:07 | Bagder | preglow: I don't know really |
| 22:14:17 | Bagder | pixelma: sure! |
| 22:14:19 | preglow | Bagder: whisper "ata timing" to him :P |
| 22:14:34 | Bagder | the sansa has no ata ;-P |
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| 22:15:18 | linuxstb | low_light: Do you know what sansapatcher does? |
| 22:15:26 | amiconn | preglow: Hmm, so it makes sense to not use a loaded register immediately in the next instruction |
| 22:15:36 | amiconn | Otherwise that shadowing probably won't work |
| 22:15:41 | preglow | linuxstb: success, linux |
| 22:16:21 | low_light | Has MrH tried the sansa emulator? I wouldn't have gotten very far on the c200 without it. I wish Toni would continue his work on it. |
| 22:16:38 | Bagder | doesn't that run on windows? |
| 22:16:51 | preglow | linuxstb: anything new going on in the bootloader? |
| 22:17:21 | preglow | amiconn: what shadowing? |
| 22:17:25 | low_light | Bagder: yes, but only for drawing and buttons. It could easily use sdl. |
| 22:17:27 | obo | linuxstb: okay on 64bit linux, I've a version with those compiled in if you still want one? |
| 22:17:39 | linuxstb | preglow: I don't think so no, it's really just testing nothing is broken. |
| 22:17:45 | amiconn | "This third cycle can normally be merged with the next prefetch cycle to form one memory N-cycle." |
| 22:18:05 | linuxstb | obo: Yes, it would be helpful if you could give it to Bagder. |
| 22:18:44 | preglow | amiconn: the prefetch cycle is the first stage of every instruction decoded, i don't think register usage enters into it |
| 22:18:46 | amiconn | Hmm, arm execution times are not what I expected... |
| 22:18:57 | preglow | amiconn: what is unexpected about it? |
| 22:19:15 | amiconn | E.g. that shifted operands need one extra cycle |
| 22:19:31 | preglow | amiconn: only if shift amount is in a reg |
| 22:19:39 | preglow | for constant shifts, you're cool |
| 22:20:08 | low_light | linuxstb: no. I can't say I know the details of how it works or what it really does. |
| 22:20:43 | obo | Bagder: what's a good way to get it to you? I don't have any webspace to upload it |
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| 22:22:14 | linuxstb | low_light: On the e200 (and R), the firmware partition contains both the Sansa bootloader and the main Sansa firmware (with a mi4 header). sansapatcher replaces the main Sansa firmware mi4 image with the Rockbox bootloader mi4 image, and appends an unencrypted copy of the Sansa firmware mi4 to the end of the RB bootloader mi4 (for dual-booting). |
| 22:27:26 | low_light | right...that much I kind knew. |
| 22:27:40 | low_light | kind of |
| 22:28:16 | low_light | I was hoping it would be a matter of adding the appropriate id's & offsets for the c200 |
| 22:29:00 | linuxstb | First thing would be to make sansapatcher identify a c200 (and distinguish it from an e200). |
| 22:32:29 | low_light | looks like it just checks for "PPBL" & "PPMI" in the appropriate places? |
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| 22:33:47 | Bagder | low_light: you can disassemble the i2c boot rom to figure out the exact details |
| 22:33:55 | Bagder | assuming it works similar to the e200 |
| 22:35:23 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/18/mi4code-102/ |
| 22:35:28 | linuxstb | low_light: Yes. Maybe there is version info or something else in the bl/mi4 header which will differ. |
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| 22:37:51 | linuxstb | low_light: What happens if you try sansapatcher at the moment? |
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| 22:39:00 | low_light | e200 not found...or something like that |
| 22:39:27 | linuxstb | Then the first thing is to find out why that is - i.e. what is different. |
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| 22:43:09 | low_light | I have a disk dump of my c250 (2GB). The bootloader starts at 0x79380000 and the firmware is loaded from 0x79400000. |
| 22:43:49 | low_light | I don't know how that compares to the e200 |
| 22:43:52 | linuxstb | The offsets are relative to the 2nd partition - BL should be 0 and MI4 at 0x80000 |
| 22:44:07 | linuxstb | I also have a copy of Zagor's firmware partition from his c250. The offsets match. |
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| 22:51:10 | low_light | linuxstb: in the sansapatcher makefile, is PP5022.mi4 the OF? or the rockbox bootloader? |
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| 22:52:23 | low_light | I guess that's the rockbox bootloader and bootimg is the unencrypted OF? |
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| 22:57:18 | linuxstb | PP5022.mi4 is the RB bootloader, and bootimg.c is created from PP5022.mi4. |
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| 22:58:07 | linuxstb | low_light: Looking at zagor's dump of his c250, I can't see why sansapatcher wouldn't think it's an e200. |
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| 23:00:50 | low_light | perhaps it's a windows problem. I can try linux later. |
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| 23:01:47 | linuxstb | You need to run it as administrator, and your c200 needs to be in UMS mode. |
| 23:03:42 | low_light | ah. that's why then. I have no administrator rights. |
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| 23:11:07 | AceNik_ | hey guys rockbox seems to hang less now on svn 14735, it only hangs sometimes on "shutting down" & "loading" (while resume or playback), & the bu pointed out in FS #7785 & FS #7730 are still partly there, like the .wps or any file not opening with test editor, but current builds seems to cause a lesser concern |
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| 23:15:59 | Llorean | AceNik_: Have you figured out exactly which build these problems started in, like I suggested? |
| 23:16:17 | alienbiker99 | what player is he talking about? |
| 23:16:55 | AceNik_ | well yes rearding the wps n txt files not opening in text editor , they stopped from the revsion ive described in FS #7785 please read there |
| 23:17:42 | AceNik_ | but the playback & random han up have got me in a soup , cause i tried 14735 & thins work decently well, i havent got a hang up in 12hrs atleast, jus shuttin down sometimes causes one |
| 23:17:57 | Llorean | AceNik_: I mean "exactly", you've stated that the bugs start a 146XX. Then you state that new bugs started at later revisions. |
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| 23:18:06 | Llorean | AceNik_: Please do more testing and give more precise information |
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| 23:21:01 | AceNik_ | Llorean please visit FS #7785, thats the maximum, i could figure out with the text editor issue, nothin else can help me figure out the random hang ups, cause they were there till 146XX, after that i tried 14735 n things smoothened, on the 146XX's the h10 will freeze too often |
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| 23:21:41 | Llorean | AceNik_: Do you mean that it happens in EVERY build from 14600 to 14699 but does not happen in 14599? |
| 23:21:55 | preglow | Bagder: i haven't got a chance to go, so markun can have it for sure |
| 23:22:33 | Bagder | ok |
| 23:24:12 | Bagder | alternative mailing list archives are coming up |
| 23:24:42 | Bagder | at http://marc.info |
| 23:27:47 | AceNik_ | Llorean i didnt say that , all i know is every build i tried in 146XX works pathetic, 14735 worked good |
| 23:28:03 | petur | hmmm if I edit button-e200.c, the build system doesn't care, is it even used? |
| 23:28:12 | Llorean | AceNik_: And I told you that you need to figure out exactly which build the problem *started* with. |
| 23:28:20 | AceNik_ | i identified the wps problem at 14487 |
| 23:28:47 | AceNik_ | i cant identify the hang up problem i told you its confusing since things work well now on 14735 |
| 23:29:23 | Llorean | What you need to do is investigate each bug separately |
| 23:29:40 | Llorean | You should never have opened a single bug report for three different problems, especially since one is a plugin problem, and one seems to already have a bug report |
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| 23:29:58 | AceNik_ | i did with the wps text editor stuff, now ill see aain with the playback then in a few days |
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| 23:30:54 | AceNik_ | well ok |
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| 23:32:06 | AceNik_ | LLorean: will revert back to you later , but can you figure out text editor at 14487? |
| 23:32:23 | n1s | petur: ddi you see the doc freescale has published on interfacing a phillips 1362 (usb otg thingy) to the mcf5249 ? thought it might be interesting |
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| 23:33:25 | Soap | linuxstb: still need ipodpatcher testing? Assuming you do I'll fire up my 5th gen and Nano. Is there something in particular I should look for? |
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| 23:33:47 | Llorean | AceNik_: Viewer.c wasn't changed with 14487. The last two changes were 14680 and 14413 |
| 23:33:48 | linuxstb | Soap: Thanks. Yes, just test it's still working, including dual-boot. |
| 23:34:00 | petur | n1s: won't be of use probably as iriver hasn't hooked it up in a usual way. But I'll check.... got a link? |
| 23:34:22 | AceNik_ | Llorean but text editor worked perfect on 14486 i tried it |
| 23:34:39 | AceNik_ | no problem on 14486 strange |
| 23:35:05 | Soap | wait wait wait. I have to boot into Apple OS as part of this test? Sheesh - first I sign up for 1 weekend a month, 1 month a year and they ship me to Iraq, now I sign up for a _rockbox_ test and they make me boot the Apple OS. |
| 23:35:30 | AceNik_ | guys would you visit my website it has allt he latest product detail on it, its kind of my blog can i give out my address here ? |
| 23:35:42 | Llorean | AceNik_: No, please do not advertise in the channel. |
| 23:36:09 | AceNik_ | i thouht so |
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| 23:36:24 | Bagder | AceNik_: it'll be easier for us if you just keep the bug report correct and updated |
| 23:36:35 | Llorean | AceNik_: 14487 was a change to the file option_select.c, and that's it. |
| 23:36:35 | n1s | petur: http://www.freescale.com/files/32bit/doc/app_note/AN2645.pdf?fsrch=1 |
| 23:37:26 | AceNik_ | well how else do you expect me to test i tried a few builds before them , i tried a few after , 14486 didnt ive any issues , 14487 ave |
| 23:37:29 | AceNik_ | ave |
| 23:38:35 | petur | n1s: thanks |
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| 23:39:16 | n1s | it seemed suspiciously familiar :-) |
| 23:39:30 | Soap | linuxstb: the new ipodpatcher installs fine on my Nano, booting into both rockbox and apple firmware appears to be normal. I'll try my 5th gen in a moment. |
| 23:39:48 | preglow | any new thoughts on getting rid of the id3 prio setting? :P |
| 23:39:53 | preglow | i think i'll just commit this patch and see what people say |
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| 23:41:06 | linuxstb | preglow: If you wanted to be democratic, you could mail the mailing list and see if anyone can justify keeping it. I don't use id3 tags at all... |
| 23:41:29 | * | n1s hadn't realised this was a democracy ;-) |
| 23:42:00 | n1s | preglow: I'd say kill it, but I have only about 40 mp3 tracks on my player |
| 23:42:13 | preglow | i will just kill it, but i need to test it first |
| 23:42:20 | preglow | can't be bothered to do that now |
| 23:42:21 | linuxstb | nls: I didn't say it was ;) |
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| 23:43:25 | linuxstb | Bagder: Still awake? |
| 23:43:32 | Bagder | I am |
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| 23:44:09 | linuxstb | Assuming Soap doesn't shout in the next few minutes, can you update ipodpatcher and the ipod bootloaders on the download server? |
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| 23:44:47 | Bagder | yeps, the http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/ipodpatcher.zip one? |
| 23:44:56 | Bagder | I got obo's binary as well |
| 23:45:11 | linuxstb | Yes, and bootloaders.zip at the same place. |
| 23:45:24 | Bagder | okay |
| 23:46:06 | tumu | hmm |
| 23:46:29 | tumu | the docs about running firmware file on e200 is wrong |
| 23:46:31 | linuxstb | Bagder: BTW, is there a way to change the VERSION string in a build? I made a change to configure to allow it, but maybe I missed something that's there already. |
| 23:46:34 | tumu | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-23900010.4.1 |
| 23:46:44 | tumu | extension .e200 does nothing |
| 23:46:45 | linuxstb | (a bootloader build) |
| 23:46:57 | tumu | has to be .mi4 |
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| 23:47:51 | Bagder | linuxstb: can't you just set it on the command line? "make VERSION=moo" ? |
| 23:48:18 | Bagder | tumu: sounds like a left-over from the past then |
| 23:48:21 | linuxstb | Does that override the value set in the Makefile itself? |
| 23:48:50 | Bagder | I thought that's what you wanted. ;-) |
| 23:49:03 | linuxstb | It is, but I wouldn't expect that to work. |
| 23:49:08 | tumu | Bagder, seems like that.. any of the manual people around? |
| 23:49:29 | n1s | tumu: I'm looking at it, it's a simple fix |
| 23:49:46 | tumu | excellent |
| 23:50:09 | n1s | but while I'm at it I thought I might fix it for other targets too... |
| 23:50:18 | n1s | so, does the H10 even have rolo? |
| 23:50:23 | n1s | and the ipods? |
| 23:50:53 | linuxstb | Bagder: Hmm, seems it does work, but I don't understand why - the main makefile explictly does "export VERSION=....." |
| 23:51:04 | Soap | linuxstb: No apparent problems on the 5th gen either. |
| 23:51:24 | Bagder | linuxstb: the environment simply has higher prio so the assignment in the makefile is ignored |
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| 23:52:17 | Bagder | linuxstb: upload it is then? |
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| 23:52:38 | linuxstb | Bagder: Yep. And I guess we can add 1g/2g to the front page. |
| 23:52:51 | Bagder | great |
| 23:53:04 | linuxstb | (unless amiconn objects...) |
| 23:53:28 | linuxstb | At least it's installable, unlike the e200r... |
| 23:55:49 | | Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) |
| 23:57:06 | n1s | tumu: ok, should be fixed now and will go into tomorrows manual |
| 23:57:25 | linuxstb | Soap: BTW, thanks for testing and enduring the OF. |
| 23:57:39 | Bagder | download server and front page updated |
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