| 00:00:10 | tumu | had to force define CODEC |
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| 00:01:31 | tumu | in codecs/dumb/ that is |
| 00:03:05 | * | n1s found a bug in macro hell aka settings/menus stuff, any setting using the F_TEMPVAR flag in settings_list.c will always splash "Cancelled" when exiting the setting screen with left. btw wasn't it decided that the "Cancelled" splash should be removed altogether? |
| 00:03:23 | linuxstb_ | tumu: Sounds like a problem with your Makefile |
| 00:03:55 | tumu | linuxstb, i'm using codecs/Makefile |
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| 00:04:41 | tumu | it seems to me that it only uses -DCODEC for files in codecs/, not for any subfolders in it |
| 00:04:52 | tumu | but i'm not makefile expert, so.. |
| 00:05:44 | jac0b | when doing a battery benchmark is it okay to use a 1hr long track or should I use muliple tracks? |
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| 00:05:59 | tumu | linuxstb, getting the debug defines from apps/codecs.h requires CODEC to be defined |
| 00:07:11 | Soap | jac0b: use tracks of a bitrate consistant with the usage you want to test. There is no "right" or "wrong" - but there are limits to the conclusions you can draw dependant on your testing conditions. |
| 00:08:38 | linuxstb_ | tumu: Some other codec Makefiles define -DCODEC, so it seems you should too. |
| 00:09:04 | * | bluebrother is dumb |
| 00:09:21 | bluebrother | well, then I get two commits for one. Oh my. |
| 00:10:25 | tumu | linuxstb, you're right.. my bad :) |
| 00:11:00 | MikhailTkach | linuxstb: yeah, I need to get a new host for the plugin |
| 00:11:14 | linuxstb_ | tumu: Although it's not clear - it would be nicer if we had a common "makefile.inc" include to use in codec makefiles. |
| 00:11:39 | linuxstb_ | MikhailTkach: Why not just post to the patch tracker? |
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| 00:11:49 | MikhailTkach | okay |
| 00:12:55 | tumu | linuxstb, yeah.. too bad source size is not counted as vigorously as is binary size :) |
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| 00:17:35 | n1s | tumu: the makefile system is pretty messy, it's basically hacked enough to work and left that way |
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| 00:18:56 | tumu | :( |
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| 00:27:00 | oranges2 | So does the Sansa charge through USB if you're in RockBox? |
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| 00:30:39 | YoshiCJ | I would,t Believe it would. |
| 00:30:48 | oranges2 | Hmm |
| 00:30:55 | oranges2 | I was told yesterday that it does |
| 00:30:58 | Llorean | Yes, the Sansa charges. |
| 00:31:00 | scorche | it should |
| 00:31:20 | oranges2 | Then does playing Bubbles with music on drain ridiculous amounts of battery life? |
| 00:31:27 | Llorean | Yes |
| 00:31:31 | Soap | unless you turn the backlight off ;) |
| 00:31:37 | oranges2 | Like 50% of the battery in 15 minutes? |
| 00:31:42 | Llorean | No. |
| 00:31:52 | YoshiCJ | So without Rockbox the Connected Screen is just for a Hold so you can't do anything...? |
| 00:31:54 | oranges2 | The screen is completely black with the backscreen off |
| 00:31:58 | Llorean | Even at full draw the device shouldn't be able to drain 50% of your battery in 15 minutes. |
| 00:32:12 | oranges2 | I left it plugged in overnight |
| 00:32:20 | oranges2 | Guess I should have checked before I did anything =/ |
| 00:32:33 | YoshiCJ | Mines plugged in now |
| 00:32:35 | oranges2 | But I noticed that I only had 50% left after getting off the bus |
| 00:32:51 | oranges2 | Is the battery level accurate usually? |
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| 00:33:15 | YoshiCJ | I dont think its very accurate at all |
| 00:33:45 | YoshiCJ | Id rather see a Percentage then Green Bars |
| 00:34:04 | n1s | YoshiCJ: you can, just change the wps |
| 00:34:15 | Soap | that's an issue with how you have your WPS set or how you have your status bar set. |
| 00:34:40 | oranges2 | I checked in the Rockbix Info screen |
| 00:34:43 | oranges2 | *rockbox |
| 00:35:16 | Soap | Do you really think Rockbox, of all DAP softwares, would hide quantitative data from you and make you only view a qualitative display? ;) |
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| 00:36:22 | oranges2 | Hmm |
| 00:37:05 | oranges2 | I'm kind of wary now that half my battery life disappeared mysteriously on my third day of owning the player |
| 00:37:19 | Llorean | oranges2: Except you don't know that it did. |
| 00:37:40 | Llorean | For one thing, anything keeping the backlight on *and* the CPU at full speed will drain at a significant amount more than normal. |
| 00:37:46 | oranges2 | Thats why its mysterious |
| 00:37:48 | oranges2 | Obviously |
| 00:38:19 | linuxstb_ | oranges2: So your Sansa shut off due to low power after 30 minutes? |
| 00:38:24 | oranges2 | 50% in 15 minutes? |
| 00:38:29 | oranges2 | No |
| 00:38:50 | linuxstb_ | Then how do you _know_ the battery was at 50%? |
| 00:38:54 | Llorean | oranges2: That's the thing, you don't even know that it's 50% that was drained. The battery meter isn't necessarily accurate. |
| 00:38:57 | oranges2 | I played it on the bus, which was 15 minutes. When I turned it back on after getting to my desk, I noticed it only had 50% left. |
| 00:39:05 | Soap | reproduce it under controlled conditions, and then it will be worthy of testing. As it stands now you _think_ you had a 100% charged sansa, you think you used it only for _about_ 15 minutes, and If you recall correctly it was at 50% at the end of the time. |
| 00:39:23 | Soap | s/testing/talking about |
| 00:39:25 | oranges2 | I plan to test it |
| 00:39:29 | YoshiCJ | Iv created a portable 9V battery carger for the Sansa.... So i have no problems |
| 00:39:34 | oranges2 | I was just hoping I could get some useful information before devoting that time |
| 00:39:38 | oranges2 | I guess I was wrong |
| 00:39:51 | Llorean | oranges2: You have gotten useful information: The drain is high, the battery meter is inaccurate. |
| 00:39:56 | Soap | I'm just saying that we're discussing something we're not even sure happened, in the logged developer channel. |
| 00:40:09 | Llorean | What were you expecting? "Oh, Rockbox always drains your entire battery in 30 minutes while using bubbles, don't bother testing"? |
| 00:40:10 | oranges2 | Except I was just told earlier that the battery meter is accurate |
| 00:40:30 | Llorean | oranges2: Who told you that? |
| 00:40:47 | oranges2 | Well possibly it could be a well-known fact in the RockBox community that running a plugin with music playing drains ridiculous amounts of battery |
| 00:41:32 | jhMikeS | it's not super wildly off but it still takes me most of a day to drain to where it says anything nearing 50% |
| 00:41:36 | Llorean | oranges2: Rockbox can't perform the impossible. You can only drain so much power at once, because there's only so much hardware to turn on. |
| 00:41:39 | Soap | oranges2: you're not even sure the player was at close to 100% to start. Let's PLEASE stop speculating about something which might not have happened! |
| 00:42:30 | oranges2 | So instead of actually speculating the possibilities and gathering information that could possibly answer my question without further hassle |
| 00:42:37 | oranges2 | I should devote a bunch of time to tests right away |
| 00:42:42 | YoshiCJ | anyways who cares about battery power rigth now....Having problems with RockBox for C200 |
| 00:42:53 | oranges2 | Is the c200 supported? |
| 00:43:07 | Llorean | oranges2: Instead of *speculating*, yes. "Asking for information" and "Speculating" are two different things though. |
| 00:43:29 | Llorean | oranges2: What you could've done was said "Should Rockbox be able to drain 50% of my power in 15 minutes under any conditions?" "No." "Oh, I should do more testing then." |
| 00:43:37 | Llorean | Simple, short, and no wild guesses or such. |
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| 00:44:30 | YoshiCJ | Iv worked on it for a bit and everything works good except most everything Hahaha. |
| 00:44:32 | oranges2 | And thats exactly what I did |
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| 00:44:49 | oranges2 | <oranges2> Then does playing Bubbles with music on drain ridiculous amounts of battery life? <Llorean> Yes <oranges2> Like 50% of the battery in 15 minutes? <Llorean> No. |
| 00:45:20 | oranges2 | Then somehow other people starting going "BRAWRAWR YOU SHOULD HAV E TESTD IT NUB" |
| 00:45:28 | pwn_nubs | just dont run as many things as you so that you can come complain here |
| 00:45:48 | oranges2 | God damn |
| 00:45:50 | linuxstb_ | YoshiCJ: What's the problem? |
| 00:45:50 | oranges2 | I just asked a question |
| 00:46:03 | YoshiCJ | i use no blackligth because i know the menu like the back of my hand... |
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| 00:49:10 | YoshiCJ | Wonder if i can get this goddam theme to change on c200 |
| 00:49:46 | pixelma | what theme? |
| 00:50:14 | YoshiCJ | Iv made a theme for c200 trying it out now |
| 00:50:34 | YoshiCJ | Let you know what happens |
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| 00:54:32 | YoshiCJ | WOOT!!! Success |
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| 00:55:00 | YoshiCJ | Finally some progress. |
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| 01:00:00 | YoshiCJ | or not damn.. |
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| 01:02:11 | Nico_P | the m:robe 500 looks like a really nice player |
| 01:02:53 | Nico_P | JdGordon: here ? |
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| 01:04:24 | JdGordon | hey Nico_P |
| 01:04:36 | Nico_P | hi |
| 01:05:05 | Nico_P | JdGordon: with such a screen you're going to want to make rockbox prettier, aren't you ? ;) |
| 01:05:32 | JdGordon | probably not |
| 01:05:45 | Nico_P | why not ? |
| 01:05:53 | JdGordon | might try to get a grid list for menus, but other than that.. meh :p |
| 01:05:58 | JdGordon | 640x480 screen! |
| 01:06:10 | JdGordon | although its runnig portaright atm so its HUGE! |
| 01:06:15 | * | jhMikeS thinks the gigabeat's and even the sansa's lcd is enough justification for it |
| 01:06:17 | Nico_P | yeah, that's what I saw |
| 01:06:19 | JdGordon | the default font is almost unreadbaly small |
| 01:06:35 | * | Nico_P thinks rockbox needs some kind of graphical menu |
| 01:06:50 | JdGordon | amiconn will come hunt you down if you say that too loudly |
| 01:06:58 | * | jhMikeS agrees...and a real windowing system |
| 01:07:14 | Nico_P | viewports again then :) |
| 01:08:25 | jhMikeS | of course but I think that idea goes farther than what amiconn has in mind. unclipped ones would still exist. |
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| 01:10:18 | Nico_P | maybe it would be worth talking about it to amiconn so that when he implements viewports he does it in an extensible way |
| 01:10:21 | * | jhMikeS is just sick enough in the head to add region-based vieports to have ports of all shapes |
| 01:10:38 | JdGordon | recatngles are enough |
| 01:11:08 | jhMikeS | clipping rectanges is really just the same task as regions so it might just be an implied feature |
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| 01:11:59 | jhMikeS | the main difference would be that unclipped ones would drawn onto a clipped one and be "owned" by it |
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| 01:13:29 | jhMikeS | so a clipped could could consist of several unclipped ports. I guess call them "child windows" ;) |
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| 01:15:04 | jhMikeS | the biggest holdup is that rb drawing is selfish and procedural rather than event driven. |
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| 01:18:46 | YoshiCJ | They should add the sansapatcher for c200 |
| 01:19:25 | YoshiCJ | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/ |
| 01:19:42 | linuxstb_ | Does it work for you? |
| 01:20:33 | YoshiCJ | I have the c200 patcher and it works perfectly fine. |
| 01:21:09 | * | jhMikeS says "antialiased spline fonts" |
| 01:21:13 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: how would an event driven system work ? |
| 01:21:37 | linuxstb_ | YoshiCJ: The one I posted a few hours ago? Or did you build it yourself from SVN? |
| 01:22:05 | YoshiCJ | The one you posted |
| 01:22:06 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I suppose you need a way to tell an uncovered port to draw itself so somehow that has to be conveyed in a safe way |
| 01:22:07 | YoshiCJ | umm |
| 01:24:50 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: ...so message posting I imagine unless some sort of direct drawing could be done but that needs multithread aware code in the gui |
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| 01:25:51 | Nico_P | so there would be an UI thread getting messages telling it which ports to draw ? |
| 01:25:58 | * | petur taps the build server on the shoulder and says "boo" |
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| 01:27:30 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: well, that wouldnt be all that difficult, I was thinkin that a viewport would just store its drawing function in the info, so when its uncovered it could be told to redraw |
| 01:27:43 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I suppose the thing that decided what needs updating would be telling each viewport to draw. Directly or indirectly. If it needs a threading sync mechanism, I suppose I'd want it hidden away. |
| 01:30:37 | YoshiCJ | linustb_: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher-c200.zip Works Like A Charm |
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| 01:30:56 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: it's something like that but if the thread "in charge" of the port is waiting for input, who does the drawing? |
| 01:31:36 | JdGordon | umm... hmmm |
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| 01:33:34 | pixelma | JdGordon: could you please have a look at your latest forum post, "typing wise" ;) |
| 01:33:35 | YoshiCJ | Yea its perfect linuxstb_ |
| 01:34:08 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: in each "screens" button loop we would have viewports_update()? like we have now for the statusbar? |
| 01:34:48 | JdGordon | pixelma: i type funny before breakfast :D |
| 01:35:28 | pixelma | last time it was the keyboard, now that... :P |
| 01:35:54 | JdGordon | alright... you got me... contrary to popular belief... im not in fact perfect! |
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| 01:40:01 | oranges2 | Alright |
| 01:40:19 | oranges2 | So I recreated the same conditions, and 15 minutes of Bubbles + music only took off about 3% |
| 01:40:30 | oranges2 | So it must not have charged last night |
| 01:40:31 | YoshiCJ | Nice 3% |
| 01:42:08 | YoshiCJ | lost the .rookbox link anyone still got it... should have saved a fresh copie. |
| 01:42:17 | YoshiCJ | c200 |
| 01:43:12 | tumu | holy shit! dumb renders few seconds properly :) |
| 01:44:00 | JdGordon | well duh! its called dumb for a reason |
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| 01:59:44 | MBaller20 | i've checked these forums everyday waiting for an auto-installer for the sansa e200r......but still nothing :( |
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| 02:00:15 | YoshiCJ | http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/ |
| 02:00:18 | YoshiCJ | ? |
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| 02:00:24 | Soap | She'll be comming round the mountain when she comes. |
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| 02:00:49 | oranges2 | I'm pretty sure someone made a auto-install script... |
| 02:00:58 | MBaller20 | Soap: haha, nice |
| 02:01:21 | MBaller20 | oranges2: linux is still needed |
| 02:01:36 | Soap | oranges2: I'm pretty sure using somebody's unofficial auto-install script is not the best course of action for someone who is unsure enough about the process that they seek official support. |
| 02:02:04 | YoshiCJ | anyone find the .rockboc.zip link for c200? |
| 02:02:06 | oranges2 | I think if the unofficial install script works, then theres no problem. |
| 02:02:30 | MBaller20 | oranges2: and where did you find this script? |
| 02:02:36 | oranges2 | MBaller20: What OS are you on? |
| 02:02:43 | MBaller20 | windows |
| 02:03:29 | MBaller20 | xp* |
| 02:04:15 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: any idea how viewports and the screen api shuold work together? |
| 02:06:30 | * | JdGordon back later |
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| 02:08:00 | MBaller20 | the developers should make a progress page to show how far they get into making an auto-installer for windows |
| 02:08:42 | oranges2 | Chances are that there isn't one being worked on |
| 02:09:18 | rasher | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt |
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| 02:10:32 | MBaller20 | rasher: I don't think that works on the e200r's |
| 02:10:36 | oranges2 | Hmm |
| 02:10:55 | oranges2 | After being connected for about 25 minutes, the battery meter shows 100% |
| 02:11:01 | oranges2 | But now unplugged, its dropping rapidly |
| 02:11:30 | oranges2 | Now its at 51%, and only says 2 hours :[ |
| 02:11:58 | Llorean | The "time remaining" is probably very wrong, that needs special calibration. |
| 02:12:07 | oranges2 | I see. |
| 02:12:35 | oranges2 | Would you happen to know about how long it takes to reach a full charge on a Sansa e200? |
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| 02:13:10 | Llorean | Probably best just to charge in the OF and see when it says it's done. |
| 02:13:27 | YoshiCJ | I knew that the battery display is gay on the c200 |
| 02:13:42 | oranges2 | Well it took about 3 hours in the OF to charge from purchase |
| 02:13:51 | Llorean | YoshiCJ: Please try not to use offensive terms. This is a technical channel |
| 02:13:53 | jhMikeS | JdGordon|gone: since you're gone...for the logs. eww...polling. |
| 02:13:58 | oranges2 | But I left it connected overnight in RockBox, and it doesn't seem to have charged |
| 02:14:20 | YoshiCJ | You have c200 rith? |
| 02:14:25 | oranges2 | Is there a risk of overcharging? |
| 02:14:26 | YoshiCJ | rigth* |
| 02:14:27 | oranges2 | e200 |
| 02:14:46 | YoshiCJ | Iv tryed but mine dont charge in Rockbox |
| 02:15:14 | Llorean | oranges2: No, there's restrictions in the charging hardware |
| 02:15:53 | oranges2 | And you know for a fact that it charges in RockBox? |
| 02:16:16 | jhMikeS | There's AS3514 setup for it. imo it should be disabled until it's know how to properly manage it. I never charge from RB. |
| 02:16:24 | Llorean | oranges2: Well, *mine* does. |
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| 02:16:51 | Llorean | It charges much, much faster in the OF though |
| 02:17:04 | oranges2 | It doesn't take more than 8 hours to charge though right? |
| 02:17:25 | Llorean | No clue, I don't pay attention. |
| 02:17:44 | YoshiCJ | Oh God no, Shouldnt be longer then 8 jours |
| 02:17:50 | jhMikeS | I just hope the voltage threshold in RB is correct. It probably just trickles in RB but I don't know if there's any overcharge danger. |
| 02:17:52 | YoshiCJ | Hours* |
| 02:17:53 | Llorean | YoshiCJ: You have no clue. Please don't comment. |
| 02:17:57 | barrywardell_ | the problem with charging is probably that it only goes at 100mA in Rockbox vs 500mA in the OF |
| 02:18:09 | Llorean | Considering it gets 1/5 the power, it'll take significantly longer. |
| 02:18:19 | barrywardell_ | to get 500mA, we need proper usb support |
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| 02:19:06 | alienseer23 | hello! |
| 02:20:05 | jhMikeS | 1/5 the power != 1/5 the current unless voltage is constant :) P=IE |
| 02:20:54 | Llorean | jhMikeS: With USB, shouldn't it be? |
| 02:21:06 | alienseer23 | Ihave an imitation ipod that uses an "actions" processor ATJ2093H, and a smasung memory chip samsumg 701 |
| 02:21:06 | alienseer23 | k9g8g08u0m |
| 02:21:06 | alienseer23 | pcbo |
| 02:21:20 | alienseer23 | I was wondering if anyone could tell me if rockbox will run on this thing? |
| 02:21:27 | alienseer23 | sorry about the multiple lines |
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| 02:21:55 | Llorean | alienseer23: Rockbox ONLY runs on the listed players |
| 02:22:04 | alienseer23 | drat |
| 02:22:30 | alienseer23 | maybee i can look into the chipsets of the listed players and see if I get lucky |
| 02:22:31 | aliask | Those actions chips are pretty limited too, even if you REALLY knew what you were doing it'd be a mission |
| 02:22:39 | alienseer23 | ugh |
| 02:23:20 | alienseer23 | do you guys know of any olternate firmware that might runon it? |
| 02:23:36 | alienseer23 | ((shot in the dark)) |
| 02:23:44 | scorche | this is #rockbox...not #alternatefirmware ;) |
| 02:23:47 | aliask | I've not heard of any |
| 02:24:21 | jhMikeS | Llorean: I guess you'd model it with an ideal 0-ohm batter in series with a resistor (R) so if the voltage across R is constant and R is constant is would be pretty close. |
| 02:24:58 | alienseer23 | well, thanks, then...nice project, rockbox |
| 02:25:38 | alienseer23 | happy talk like a pirate day |
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| 02:26:44 | * | jhMikeS always thought pirates had long talks about idct and blit synths ?? |
| 02:26:48 | Llorean | jhMikeS: As it is, there's also the factor of how much is used just keeping the player on, etc. |
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| 02:29:57 | jhMikeS | Llorean: hmmm...but of this transistor hw runs on current sources but switch mode regulators will consume more current to maintain constant volage as the batt level drops (power conversion). |
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| 02:35:51 | jhMikeS | oy, I just want to find the stupid mistake in this code :P |
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| 02:38:31 | JdGordon|uni | jhMikeS: yeah, polling sucks, but is there a better way? |
| 02:42:30 | jhMikeS | JdGordon|uni: I hope so. Making UI elements self contained and requiring them to process messages or something. |
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| 02:44:00 | jhMikeS | Key input can then be dispatched to the active element which is actually safer anyway than an open, shared button queue. |
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| 02:44:39 | Hooger | lol helldragon. |
| 02:45:08 | oranges2 | qj? |
| 02:45:51 | JdGordon|uni | jhMikeS: that sounds wrong for an mp3 player.... the screens are too small to have more than one "window" open/active at a time |
| 02:46:27 | Llorean | JdGordon|uni: I disagree |
| 02:46:57 | Llorean | For example, the new AppleOS does more than one window |
| 02:47:08 | Llorean | It draws the Menu in the left half of the screen while displaying something else on the right |
| 02:47:23 | JdGordon|uni | but the right screen isnt expecting input.. right? |
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| 02:47:30 | Llorean | True |
| 02:47:35 | Llorean | At least, not user input |
| 02:47:36 | Jdgordon | should make tab completion easier for you :) |
| 02:48:57 | Jdgordon | if more than 1 viewport want user input how the heck do you decide which gets it? |
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| 02:50:10 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I think they really could. Alot OF does and it seems to be a nice thing. It doesn't have a dozen at a time of course. |
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| 02:51:14 | Jdgordon | which OF has a screen with more than 1 input waiting section? |
| 02:51:26 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: pretty much the last element created. say it's a popup with a yes/no ... I guess that gets it. |
| 02:52:00 | Jdgordon | thats fine for a piopup, but what about having the pitch screen open as a popup on the wps... ? |
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| 02:52:14 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I don't know of any but multiple threads should never wait on a queue head and the button queue is open to that as things are. |
| 02:53:19 | Jdgordon | oh, right |
| 02:53:26 | jhMikeS | the pitch screen is an input mode of the WPS screen by inheritance so it gets it and must be exited first or some focus switching mechanism needs to exist. hehe, lets just have a pointer :P |
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| 02:54:50 | Jdgordon | well, I thought the idea for vp was putting them into the firmare layer... so that makes things complicated if we want to have one viewports thread which waits for a button press and forwards it to the correct "window" |
| 02:55:36 | Jdgordon | or.. the action stuff needs to be fudged so it can take a button as input instead of calling button_get() itself |
| 02:56:07 | jhMikeS | I don't think a viewports thread would do any such thing. The active UI element would be the one waiting on it's own queue for input. Threads could have queues built in. |
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| 02:56:46 | Jdgordon | ok, so now im confused |
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| 02:56:57 | Jdgordon | how does a button get from the button queue into a windows queue? |
| 02:57:25 | jhMikeS | If a certain UI element is active when a press occurs, the element's thread gets the event posted by the button driver. |
| 02:57:51 | Llorean | So, whichever element has focus. |
| 02:58:12 | Jdgordon | so we have 1 thread for every element? |
| 02:58:25 | Jdgordon | remember, all screens are done int he main thread |
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| 02:58:55 | jhMikeS | Llorean: yes. dispatching so the active element gets the message. |
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| 02:59:11 | jhMikeS | JgGordon: would never dream of doing that. |
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| 03:00:13 | Jdgordon | so something still has to get the button out of the button queue intot he elements queue |
| 03:00:29 | jhMikeS | I suppose the button queue would be history alltogether |
| 03:00:52 | Vloosie | I have a question... |
| 03:02:01 | jhMikeS | If there were one, it wouldn't be public but just hold raw input events. Messages from that would be moved to the focused queue and processed by the waiter optionally translated into actions. |
| 03:05:10 | Jdgordon | the other thing i was thining about on my drive to uni... |
| 03:05:37 | Jdgordon | we want to draw to a pixel in the viewport not the screen.... |
| 03:06:12 | Jdgordon | so either we reimplement all the lcd drawing functions to do the offset, or we add a global offset which needds to be somhow set and unset around eah lcd draw call |
| 03:07:08 | jhMikeS | not following. |
| 03:07:42 | jhMikeS | oh, the lcd functions can take a context parameter...just a viewport pointer or something. |
| 03:08:40 | Jdgordon | that could work |
| 03:09:11 | Jdgordon | so screen api? |
| 03:09:21 | jhMikeS | one thing to save space in advance is go give bitmaps small headers and just have lcd_bitmap and lcd_bitmap_part for any format at all. |
| 03:11:03 | jhMikeS | Jdgordon: would a viewport be confined to a specific screen or could it span any number? |
| 03:11:26 | Jdgordon | I was about to say confined to one.. but im not so sure |
| 03:11:44 | Jdgordon | I tihnk it would make sense to have it only 1 screen, so youd need one on each... |
| 03:11:45 | jhMikeS | that's like multimonitor APIs. fancy. :) |
| 03:12:30 | safetydan | Vloosie, ask away |
| 03:13:14 | jhMikeS | hmmm...could have a virtual display that is made up of all avaiable displays. even I think that one's too far at this point. |
| 03:13:27 | Jdgordon | yeah, how bout no :) |
| 03:15:17 | jhMikeS | I'll accept "no" on that. I'd try to keep the possiblilty in mind however to make it easy to adapt a device that might work for. |
| 03:18:34 | jhMikeS | I think implementing clipping itself is about the least of things but would need driver support since overlapped operations need to be split up in to several rectangles. |
| 03:20:56 | Jdgordon | moving comouter labs... bbs |
| 03:21:02 | Jdgordon | and yeah, clipping is gonna be annoying |
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| 03:22:23 | Vloosie | Okay, when I try to intailize my database, my iPod crashes at around 600 items, any way to fix this? |
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| 03:23:08 | YoshiCJ | Anyone got a link to a fresh copie of the c200 .Rockbox? |
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| 03:26:23 | Vloosie | safetydan, any ideas? |
| 03:27:12 | safetydan | Vloosie, it's probably because the tags in that file are corrupt |
| 03:27:19 | safetydan | or trip up the metadata parser in some way |
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| 03:29:27 | Vloosie | That's what I was thinking, or maybe invailid charactors unknown in RockBox, I have over 10,000 items, do you suggest me doing anything safetydan or do you think it would be too much of a hassle? |
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| 03:34:09 | safetydan | Vloosie, search the forums. There's various ways of finding out which file is the problem and fixing it. A binary search would probably be most efficient. |
| 03:34:11 | Alonea | *cracks up over pirate day* nice. Anything new happening? |
| 03:35:36 | JdGordon | rasher: you round? |
| 03:36:27 | JdGordon | guess not... to the mailing list batman! |
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| 03:48:20 | Prem0 | hello, I need some assistance. I have a sansa e250 that found 0 databases to initalize so I powered off the unit and it will not boot. I have attempted the normal power up options on the wiki but all that happens is that the blue scroll wheel light comes on and a blank screen |
| 03:49:48 | oranges2 | have you tried going into recovery mode? |
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| 03:50:28 | Prem0 | yes, by putting it on hold then powering while holding record |
| 03:51:03 | oranges2 | And it doesn't go into recovery mode? |
| 03:51:15 | Prem0 | woot, it just worked this time stand by |
| 03:53:58 | Prem0 | just went into recovery mode, I am rechecking the wiki |
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| 03:57:19 | Prem0 | woohoo, unbricked player, sorry to bother you |
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| 04:28:11 | saratoga | Llorean: you around? |
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| 04:30:50 | Llorean | saratoga: Yes |
| 04:32:26 | BrianHV | I understand from the FAQ that controlling the iPod through a dock does not work with rockbox; however, does playback work through the dock? |
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| 04:32:59 | YoshiCJ | Sansa c200 http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5015/worksdu6.jpg |
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| 04:34:23 | saratoga | Llorean: have you been following the default theme thread? |
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| 04:34:58 | Llorean | saratoga: The Cabbie author mentioned interest in expanding support to all targets, right? |
| 04:35:05 | saratoga | yes he did |
| 04:35:10 | saratoga | and I'd be willing to help him |
| 04:35:22 | saratoga | i want to know what you think of the theme though |
| 04:35:29 | Llorean | Let him know then. I'm rather font of the cabbie theme, though it has a few significant flaws. |
| 04:35:47 | Llorean | For example, the last time I looked, it had text in the backdrop at the bottom of the screen, overlapping long lists. |
| 04:35:52 | saratoga | good to know |
| 04:35:52 | Llorean | But that's easy to fix |
| 04:37:02 | saratoga | then I will offer to help him port it to other targets |
| 04:37:12 | saratoga | and see if we can get this default theme project moving again |
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| 04:37:35 | Llorean | Excellent |
| 04:38:00 | saratoga | please let me know if anyone objects |
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| 04:38:20 | RudMan | I like the idea of two choices for a default theme. a regular one and one with large fonts |
| 04:39:11 | saratoga | how difficult is it to edit themes anyway? |
| 04:39:17 | saratoga | or rather, to port them |
| 04:39:46 | RudMan | if there are images, they have to be resized and then placed just so |
| 04:40:27 | XavierGr | saratoga: making a unified WPS is a rather difficult and possibly annoying process, I wish you patience and good luck :) |
| 04:40:29 | RudMan | and then the right font has to be used and for some targets not all info might be able to be fit on the screen |
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| 04:41:13 | Llorean | saratoga: Ridiculously easy. |
| 04:41:25 | Llorean | XavierGr: In the case of this WPS, it should be nearly trivial. Very little graphics. |
| 04:41:36 | saratoga | when you say unified, you mean theres one WPS that runs on everything? |
| 04:41:46 | saratoga | i assumed we made N of them and it picked one at compile time |
| 04:41:54 | Llorean | You want to make several, yes |
| 04:42:05 | Llorean | Probably one for most screen sizes, if not all |
| 04:42:16 | saratoga | ok good |
| 04:42:26 | saratoga | do things like menu icons have to be resized? |
| 04:42:50 | psycho_maniac | what does the 16 mean in 320x240x""16"" in ipods resolution ? |
| 04:42:51 | Llorean | Depends on your preference. |
| 04:42:56 | Llorean | psycho_maniac: Bits for color depth |
| 04:43:38 | Llorean | saratoga: For example, as long as the font size is the same, you can keep the same icons. You can make just 2 or 3 icon sets, and just use the smallest icons less than or equal to the font size, or you can just make one small one (or use the current colored default ones from the wiki) with any font |
| 04:43:48 | XavierGr | I can't say that cabbie is in my taste, but sure as heck I would pick it over the current-defualt |
| 04:43:55 | psycho_maniac | is that cabbie theme ported to the 5g ipod? |
| 04:44:45 | psycho_maniac | what player is it ported to so i can actually see what this theme looksl iek |
| 04:44:56 | Llorean | Gigabeat F and Sansa I think |
| 04:45:41 | saratoga | theres also one for the H10 posted in the forums somewhere |
| 04:47:00 | Soap | BrianHV: There is good reason to suspect that any given iPod accessory will have working audio |
| 04:47:06 | psycho_maniac | what do you guys think of the Ultima v1.0 theme? |
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| 04:48:05 | Soap | BrianHV: But, this is not always the case. Some iPod accessories appear to wait for communication from the iPod before accepting what is really nothing more than line-out pins on the dock connector. We have an ever-growing wiki page, titled IpodAccessories, which is the collected wisdom of all we know so far. |
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| 04:49:54 | psycho_maniac | oh wow the cabbie theme looks very nice. i never seen it till now. |
| 04:49:55 | Soap | BrianHV: Said communication from the iPod to the accessory is not supported by Rockbox in the least, there is much that needs done to accomplish this "simple" task, and therefore all accessory support is rather hit-or-miss. If you have an accessory you are able to test we would very much appreciate your contributions to the wiki page, or if you are unable or unwilling to sign up for a wiki accout you can PM me either here in IRC, on on the forums, where |
| 04:49:55 | Soap | I go by the same nick I do here. |
| 04:50:37 | Soap | In said PM please include information so that I might fill in all columns of the wikipage. |
| 04:51:35 | Soap | psycho_maniac: I prefer Ultima III: Exodus. I really think it was Lord British's finest work. |
| 04:51:58 | psycho_maniac | Soap: where could i see a pic of that? |
| 04:52:26 | Llorean | Soap: Isn't it General British now? |
| 04:52:32 | XavierGr | heh the ines port that MikeT posted on the tracker unexpectedly works on my H100! |
| 04:52:36 | Llorean | It's some military rank. Major? |
| 04:53:07 | XavierGr | dead slow but works nonetheless |
| 04:53:44 | Llorean | XavierGr: So, working NES games? |
| 04:53:57 | XavierGr | yes... quite surprising |
| 04:54:05 | Soap | how is the light-gun support? |
| 04:54:14 | Llorean | XavierGr: What task? |
| 04:54:21 | XavierGr | it didn't build for F40 but build quite ok for H100 |
| 04:54:27 | XavierGr | 2911 |
| 04:54:34 | XavierGr | scroll down |
| 04:54:57 | psycho_maniac | so what is this "Ultima III: Exodus" id like to see what it looks like |
| 04:55:05 | Llorean | psycho_maniac: It was a joke. It's a game. |
| 04:55:33 | psycho_maniac | oh lol |
| 04:57:10 | XavierGr | damn it crashed and probably there are wrong keymaps for the H100, but I am still pretty amazed that it run in grayscale |
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| 05:01:25 | Llorean | XavierGr: What target is it inteded for? |
| 05:02:24 | XavierGr | he says H10 |
| 05:02:38 | XavierGr | still it baffles me why it compiled for my H100 and not F40 |
| 05:03:09 | Llorean | IRAM? |
| 05:04:23 | XavierGr | I am not sure I got undeclared prototype all over |
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| 05:12:56 | saratoga | careless #ifdef would be my guess |
| 05:13:18 | XavierGr | ah probably has to do with the screen width height maybe |
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| 05:13:29 | XavierGr | H100 has the same resolution with H10 |
| 05:13:32 | XavierGr | just a guess though |
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| 05:18:22 | XavierGr | damn this is some dirty code... |
| 05:18:31 | XavierGr | ifdef and commented code hell |
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| 05:33:10 | psycho_maniac | why does my ipod 80gig crash when i go to the recording screen and then try to play a song? |
| 05:33:39 | Llorean | Because leaving recording doesn't work right yet |
| 05:34:59 | psycho_maniac | does it do this to all rockbox players? |
| 05:36:43 | Llorean | I believe it's just the iPods |
| 05:36:52 | Llorean | It *may* be all PortalPlayers, I'm not 100% sure |
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| 05:37:02 | Llorean | But it works fine on the non-PortalPlayer targets |
| 05:39:05 | oranges2 | Hmm |
| 05:39:17 | oranges2 | Well if the battery level is being displayed correctly |
| 05:39:24 | oranges2 | My Sansa isn't being charged at all |
| 05:42:59 | kkurbjun | Llorean, did you end up trying to recompile rockboy with more plugin memory? |
| 05:43:24 | Llorean | kkurbjun: No, haven't tried it yet |
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| 05:44:17 | kkurbjun | let me know if you end up trying it and have trouble, I would be interested to know/help |
| 05:44:42 | Llorean | Thanks |
| 05:44:56 | kkurbjun | Is anyone around that knows what to look for with the whole unix vs. dos files concerning line endings |
| 05:44:58 | Llorean | I've got a busy weekend coming up, so I don't know when I'll get around to trying it. |
| 05:45:07 | kkurbjun | no worries |
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| 05:49:47 | XavierGr | definitely playable on Gigabeat |
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| 05:50:18 | McEnroe | Hey guys! I have a problem: although rockbox works without major problems, windows cannot find the filesystem... |
| 05:50:23 | Llorean | XavierGr: Got it compiling? |
| 05:51:27 | XavierGr | yeah |
| 05:51:33 | XavierGr | tons of warnings though |
| 05:51:49 | advcomp2019 | McEnroe, what player is it |
| 05:51:53 | XavierGr | and occasional graphic glitches, but works okay |
| 05:52:25 | McEnroe | advcomp2019, ipod nano 1st gen |
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| 05:54:46 | advcomp2019 | McEnroe, what did you mean by windows cant find the file system |
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| 05:55:58 | McEnroe | advcomp2019, the same as i said: windows cannot find the filesystem. So it claims that it is unformated and offers me the option to format it. |
| 05:56:15 | webguest71 | Hi, i was just wondering if any one can help with a problem im having with Rockbox. |
| 05:57:32 | webguest71 | i try to open/play an MP3 and it gives me an error "data abort at 0002768" |
| 05:58:45 | advcomp2019 | McEnroe, i do not have an ipod so i do not know what is causing that... maybe another user with an ipod could help |
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| 06:00:20 | McEnroe | advcomp2019, this is not connected to the ipod as a ipod but as a mass storage. |
| 06:09:35 | oranges2 | Would buying an Ac adapter for the Sansa bypass the decreased/none charging issue? |
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| 06:37:50 | Sanitized | Hello everyone, sorry to bother you but does anyone know if I can I use ipodwizard with rockbox? |
| 06:37:53 | oranges2 | AHA |
| 06:38:04 | oranges2 | The reverse bootloader works :D |
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| 06:51:49 | Bradart | hey i need some help |
| 06:52:03 | Bradart | is anyone there to help me? |
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| 06:52:58 | Bradart | is anyone there at all? |
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| 06:54:06 | Bradart | well, my problem is this |
| 06:54:46 | Bradart | when rockbox is booting, it looks for the directory .rockbox, but windows cannot create a folder with a dot in front of the name. Can this be fixed? |
| 06:55:02 | oranges2 | Jjust unzip it to the root directory |
| 06:55:06 | Bradart | i did |
| 06:55:14 | Bradart | it just comes out as "rockbox" |
| 06:55:17 | RudMan | use a better unzip program |
| 06:55:22 | oranges2 | WinRAR |
| 06:55:24 | RudMan | it worked fine for me in windows |
| 06:55:28 | oranges2 | Same |
| 06:55:37 | Bradart | the program is the problem? |
| 06:55:38 | Bradart | odd |
| 06:55:46 | Bradart | so thats the only way? |
| 06:55:59 | RudMan | yeah, it ain't windows problem |
| 06:56:06 | oranges2 | You should use WinRAR anyawys |
| 06:56:09 | oranges2 | *anyways |
| 06:56:11 | Bradart | ill try it and let you know how it goes |
| 06:56:16 | Bradart | is winrar free? |
| 06:56:22 | oranges2 | Sort of |
| 06:56:27 | oranges2 | Technically its not |
| 06:56:35 | oranges2 | But the free trial never stops working |
| 06:56:38 | Bradart | oh |
| 06:56:44 | Bradart | its nagware? |
| 06:56:55 | oranges2 | Unless you crack it of course :] |
| 06:57:11 | Bradart | lol |
| 06:57:26 | oranges2 | You've seriously never used WinRAR? |
| 06:57:37 | Llorean | oranges2: First off, we take copyright seriously in here. |
| 06:57:49 | Llorean | Please do not discuss cracking software in any way. |
| 06:57:55 | RudMan | or use the real unzip program, http://www.info-zip.org/ |
| 06:58:10 | * | Llorean recommends 7-zip, since it's cross platform, open source, and reliable. |
| 06:58:32 | Bradart | will 7zip take care of my .rockbox filename problem? |
| 06:58:37 | RudMan | yes |
| 06:58:49 | Llorean | If you extract with any decent extracting tool you'll get a .rockbox folder. 7-zip is decent. :) |
| 06:59:50 | Bradart | excellent |
| 06:59:54 | Bradart | thank all of you so much |
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| 06:59:59 | Bradart | i'll be right back |
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| 07:02:02 | kkurbjun | hmm, the current builds don't seem to be working |
| 07:02:12 | Bradart | awesome it worked |
| 07:02:16 | Bradart | you guys are amazing |
| 07:02:24 | Bradart | i was freaking out |
| 07:02:40 | kkurbjun | I'll check it tomorrow and see if there were any problems and I plan on fixing any then |
| 07:02:58 | oranges2 | At least you don't have a crazy problem where the screen looks like its melting whenever you try to boot the OF firmware |
| 07:03:15 | oranges2 | And not even the most experienced RockBox devs have any idea whats causing it |
| 07:03:20 | oranges2 | :[ |
| 07:04:21 | scorche | well, to fix something, you have to have a device that exibits the problem... |
| 07:04:28 | scorche | exhibits |
| 07:04:42 | oranges2 | Well I kind of got it working anyways |
| 07:04:46 | oranges2 | So its not a big deal anymore |
| 07:06:24 | scorche | to you maybe.. |
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| 07:07:11 | oranges2 | I think holding select to load RockBox is a considerable improvement over the OF not loading at all |
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| 08:01:17 | corevette | will rockbox erase my songs on my ipod |
| 08:01:42 | scorche | no |
| 08:01:49 | scorche | ...unless you tell it to |
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| 08:20:06 | amiconn | blargh |
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| 08:26:18 | * | amiconn is annoyed by all those weird ideas |
| 08:30:14 | Sanitized | can anyone help me? my ipod running on rockbox suddenly is unable to play files |
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| 08:30:22 | Sanitized | *audio files |
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| 08:31:18 | scorche | is it a nano? |
| 08:31:24 | Sanitized | no |
| 08:31:27 | Sanitized | ipod photo |
| 08:31:40 | scorche | what happens when you play a file? |
| 08:32:11 | Sanitized | suddenly the files -though visable in the database- plays no sound and says unknown song unknown artist uknown album |
| 08:33:23 | scorche | have you updated the database? |
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| 08:33:42 | Sanitized | I added more songs to the ipod, yes. |
| 08:34:31 | scorche | but did you hit "update database"? |
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| 08:38:50 | rasher | amiconn: I assume you mean the 2 posts to the -dev list. I don't think it's fair to just dismiss them as "weird ideas". They appeared from perceived problems and at least for the first one, has been met with agreement so far |
| 08:40:42 | Sanitized | being new to RB I am unsure as to how and update the database, could you explain to me how? |
| 08:41:21 | scorche | have you read the manual? |
| 08:41:52 | Sanitized | I attempted to, it was rather confusing; but I will try again. |
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| 08:46:31 | amiconn | rasher: No, with the weird ideas I meant jhMikeS' and JdGordon's talk last night |
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| 08:47:57 | rasher | amiconn: Ah, okay |
| 08:48:03 | amiconn | Regarding the .lang (source) file format, I don't really care as long as the format allows what the current one does (e.g. having a different split-by-feature or split-by-target in <dest> and <voice> than in <source>) |
| 08:48:14 | rpwalsh | where can I get fonts for rockbox (sansa E series) and is it possible to use them to enlage the text size? |
| 08:48:34 | bluebrother | rpwalsh: see the manual ... or the website |
| 08:48:44 | amiconn | Bagder: ping... |
| 08:48:48 | bluebrother | (hint: follow the "Extras" rabbit err ... link) |
| 08:49:15 | rasher | amiconn: when would you want to split dest differntly than source? |
| 08:50:16 | rasher | Not that I'm going to do anything about it. It should be a drop-in replacement if I go ahead with it (and get it right) |
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| 08:51:01 | rpwalsh | thanks bluebrother |
| 08:51:04 | amiconn | I can think of 2 uses: (1) occasions where a string must be short, and hence needs to be abbreviated for the player in the translation but not for english, or vice versa |
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| 08:52:21 | rasher | Good point. Speaking of that, it'd be nice to have someone identify these strings needing special care. |
| 08:52:23 | amiconn | (2) whole languages which use neither latin nor cyrillic nor greek script should have special strings for charcell (e.g. using romaji or halfwidth katakana for player) |
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| 08:52:42 | amiconn | That example was for japanese of course |
| 08:53:24 | _keegan_ | how usable is the Sansa c200 port? |
| 08:53:32 | rasher | I have a feeling those languages aren't doing that.. |
| 08:53:41 | amiconn | No, they don't atm |
| 08:54:16 | amiconn | The problem is that most of the languages we claim to support are way outdated |
| 08:54:48 | amiconn | (e.g. the wallisertitsch translation you used for testing was last updated _for real_ before even the Ondios joined the party iirc) |
| 08:54:56 | * | jhMikeS isn't sure what would make throwing some speculative ideas around "annoying" |
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| 08:55:18 | scorche | _keegan_: it hasnt even been called "supported" yet... |
| 08:55:53 | rasher | amiconn: Yeah, I've been wondering about whether it'd be better to just drop them.. my translation page has accurate information on this (rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/) |
| 08:56:04 | _keegan_ | yeah, but i see some comments to the effect that it essentially works |
| 08:56:12 | rasher | amiconn: those update times are ignoring non-updates |
| 08:56:14 | _keegan_ | how would i try out the c200 port, ultra bleeding edge as it may be |
| 08:56:22 | scorche | when it is ready, it is ready |
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| 08:57:18 | scorche | _keegan_: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=8401.msg96797#msg96797 |
| 08:57:31 | rockho | rockbox is my favorite |
| 08:58:18 | * | jhMikeS isn't even sure what makes the ideas "weird" since they're far from that. :\ |
| 08:58:44 | _keegan_ | okay so the answer is "wait a few days"? |
| 08:58:46 | _keegan_ | i can live with that |
| 08:58:57 | _keegan_ | i guess i have pretty good timing... i bought this today |
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| 09:00:34 | amiconn | Well, ideas and ideas |
| 09:01:02 | dionoea | Hello. |
| 09:03:04 | amiconn | There are ideas which might actually work given enough effort, and there are ideas which would either add lots of complexity or open a can of worms with next to no benefit, or are plain impossible due to deliberate design decisions in rockbox |
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| 09:04:21 | jhMikeS | amiconn: which of your statements in particular refer to which I can't say |
| 09:07:59 | * | dionoea has a working (and completely useless)gzip/gunzip port for rockbox |
| 09:08:27 | rasher | dionoea: well, better than bzip2 |
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| 09:09:13 | amiconn | (1) true window elements with "focus" and multiple threads: Right now there is only one gui thread, and that works. Even the idea of having one gui thread per display (for devices with a remote lcd) turned out too complex to implement, and if it would be done, would open a can of worms |
| 09:09:16 | dionoea | Now i have to port tar and then i might be able to come up with a simple autoupdater. (like you drop rockbox.tar.gz in your root and if it finds it on boot it updates) |
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| 09:10:20 | amiconn | Right now the underlying code can rely on certain things never happening in parallel (e.g. entering the wps on one display and the recording screen in another). With multiple gui threads it couldn't |
| 09:11:07 | amiconn | (2) Non-rectangular clipping: I can't see how this should be *nearly* as simple as rectangular clipping. Rectangular clipping is just the current clip-to-lcd made variable |
| 09:11:28 | jhMikeS | that sort of architecture would never be brought into it |
| 09:11:33 | rasher | dionoea: have a look at FS #6156 |
| 09:11:38 | amiconn | (3) "real" windows with backing store. This would require dynamic memory allocation, which we don't have, and don't want. |
| 09:12:02 | dionoea | rasher: well that's just tar support for wps/themes specific stuff isn't it ? |
| 09:12:06 | jhMikeS | no backing store needed, just redraw of uncovered bits |
| 09:12:32 | amiconn | From what source would you redraw?? |
| 09:12:46 | rasher | dionoea: it's still an implementation of tar, iirc. Just figured it might be helpful |
| 09:13:35 | jhMikeS | the thread operating the viewport, main or whatever so almost always the main one |
| 09:13:42 | amiconn | The viewport idea is for making widgets independent of position, so that e.g. the list widget doesn't need to care whether the status bar is on or off, or what size it has. It's viewport would be placed properly by the upperl level function (e.g. file browser or menu code) |
| 09:14:19 | dionoea | rasher: ok, thanks. (I was thinking about porting gnu tar) |
| 09:14:36 | Zagor | are you discussing separate threads for main and remote display? |
| 09:14:42 | * | petur wants the viewport to split the rec screen into a fixed and scrollable part (depending on screen size) |
| 09:14:59 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it would gain that by default and not all viewports would need clipping |
| 09:15:08 | rasher | dionoea: that'd probably be massively overkill. I imagine gnu tar comes with all sorts of weird stuff on touch of what you actually need |
| 09:15:14 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What would that be good for? With viewports as I imagine them, the thread that uses a viewport overlaying another would be responsible for redraw anyway. Nothing the viewport code can (or should) do.... |
| 09:15:40 | B4gder | possibly busybox's tar would be a more sensible start |
| 09:15:44 | jhMikeS | Zagor: no, stuff regarding clipped viewports to display elements over other without any backbuffer |
| 09:15:52 | B4gder | busybox does things tiny |
| 09:15:55 | Zagor | ah, good :) |
| 09:16:15 | amiconn | Viewports would always be clipped. That's actually simpler than only clipping in some cases |
| 09:16:32 | amiconn | But they would be clipped to a rectangle, only |
| 09:17:01 | jhMikeS | I'd start with rectangle but non-rectangle would just extend from it and isn't a priority by any means. |
| 09:18:13 | jhMikeS | but you mentioned that overlaps wouldn't really be defined. I'm talking about making say, a splash not get overwritten by drawing underneath it |
| 09:18:48 | dionoea | rasher: well if the port is as easy as the gzip one i figure that it's worth a shot (that sounds easier than reading an RFC and writting a bugless implementation :p) |
| 09:18:53 | amiconn | That's not possible without severe performance impacts |
| 09:19:40 | rasher | dionoea: busybox is probably still a better bet |
| 09:20:13 | amiconn | It would require the drawing code to walk the list of all active viewports for clipping, instead of just checking the current one (and btw, my idea does not even include that such a list exists) |
| 09:20:41 | jhMikeS | not really, just the list for one viewport |
| 09:21:24 | dionoea | rasher: ah, good idea. I'll have a look. |
| 09:21:37 | amiconn | ? |
| 09:21:55 | amiconn | A single element element is not a list... |
| 09:22:54 | jhMikeS | a clipping region isn't a single element, it's a rectangle list with rectangles split in a certain way, so the region can be simple or complex. I don't expect them getting very complex in a simple environment though. |
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| 09:25:04 | amiconn | The viewport will have an x and y position, a width and a height, which define the clipping |
| 09:27:36 | JdGordon|gone | hey all |
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| 09:28:13 | JdGordon | B4gder: LinusN: would it be better if the mrobe stuff is done in a branch instead of trunk? |
| 09:28:21 | jhMikeS | that's the bounding rectagle. a viewport with a clipped-out area can be simple, complex (multiple rects) or NULL. all with the same bounding rectangle. |
| 09:28:23 | JdGordon | s/better/preffered |
| 09:28:27 | B4gder | JdGordon: see my mail... |
| 09:28:49 | JdGordon | k |
| 09:29:11 | JdGordon | ok cool |
| 09:29:26 | JdGordon | I asked because the S is in a branch and thought that was the new preffered way |
| 09:29:37 | B4gder | I would prefer the S guys going trunk |
| 09:30:15 | jhMikeS | amiconn: of course anything that would be "pasted" to an overlappable port, like a scroller, would be clipped to what it's pasted and that intersected with it's own rect but that's sort of a no-op. |
| 09:31:18 | petur | B4gder: did you get a chance to kick the build server? There were several commits not picked up last night... |
| 09:31:36 | B4gder | ok, I'll bring out the poking stick |
| 09:31:59 | petur | they are also not on the front page, is probably related? |
| 09:32:10 | B4gder | most possibly |
| 09:32:19 | B4gder | yeah... |
| 09:32:28 | B4gder | svn up |
| 09:32:28 | B4gder | svn: Working copy '.' locked |
| 09:33:05 | B4gder | fixed now |
| 09:33:20 | B4gder | seems to happen at times when the hw goes nuts |
| 09:33:30 | B4gder | in combination with reboot that is |
| 09:33:41 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Don't forget that every drawing operation needs to be checked against clipping bounds, and for non-rectangular clipping, drawing operations like rectangle and bitmap would need to check *every single pixel* instead of just clipping the whole thing before starting to draw |
| 09:33:47 | petur | any clue on the hardware problem? |
| 09:33:55 | B4gder | petur: seems to be a bad disk |
| 09:34:41 | amiconn | That's far from no-op, and as long as not all our current targets are of the performance class of a gigabeat or higher, simply out of question |
| 09:37:43 | JdGordon | B4gder: while your playing with the build server... any reason why the c200 isnt in the builds yet? |
| 09:37:58 | B4gder | no |
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| 09:38:25 | jhMikeS | amiconn: no, it doesn't. it's much more efficient than that to do clipping. |
| 09:39:28 | jhMikeS | the rectangle arrangement permits it to be |
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| 09:41:15 | pixelma | how nice that I just wanted to build an own new c200 build after an svn up... |
| 09:42:22 | JdGordon | speaking of broke builds... |
| 09:42:40 | dionoea | rasher: busybox' libunarchive looks promising (although it lacks the libarchive part but i'm not sure that it would really be needed on rockbox anyway) |
| 09:42:49 | JdGordon | karl _may_ have got a bit carried away :p |
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| 09:43:26 | JdGordon | nice score thugh! |
| 09:44:18 | scorche | it rivals his previous record |
| 09:44:39 | * | JdGordon fixing |
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| 09:45:19 | B4gder | pixelma: c200 builds fine now doesn't it+ |
| 09:45:20 | B4gder | ? |
| 09:45:29 | B4gder | I want to add it to the builds |
| 09:45:41 | pixelma | yes build fine |
| 09:45:46 | jhMikeS | oh, bugger. one more CPU to worry about with the threading. at least instructions will be included on writing core_sleep properly. |
| 09:46:15 | pixelma | (except the arm conflicts atm - would higher kkurbjun's score even more...) ;) |
| 09:46:27 | B4gder | haha |
| 09:46:42 | B4gder | well, I can hold on until they score goes down somewhat |
| 09:47:05 | JdGordon | should i revert the whole commit and fix it locally? or just try to fix it ovr a few commits? |
| 09:47:12 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: When you tested my new sansapatcher yesterday, did you install the bootloader? |
| 09:47:25 | B4gder | JdGordon: that's really depends on you... |
| 09:47:31 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: no, I just did what you asked and checked detection |
| 09:47:33 | pixelma | B4gder: other than that I would welcome that because then I could check what happens when I committed the plugins patch |
| 09:47:46 | pixelma | *commit |
| 09:48:09 | B4gder | I'll add it during the day if they sort out the arm mess |
| 09:48:26 | B4gder | or whatever mess it is ;-) |
| 09:48:27 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I can test the install if you'd like |
| 09:48:43 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Yes, please, I can then package up a new sansapatcher release with c200 support. |
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| 09:49:09 | B4gder | then c200 can go "supported" |
| 09:49:45 | linuxstb | Is there a manual yet? |
| 09:49:46 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: ok...but I have to turn off my music. :P |
| 09:50:06 | pixelma | linuxstb: no, but the svg would be ready |
| 09:50:22 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: just use the v0.3 you gave me? |
| 09:50:43 | linuxstb | I _think_ the installation chapter should be identical to the e200. Unless the instructions for MSC mode need amending. |
| 09:51:06 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Just to be safe, I'll upload my latest build, one moment. |
| 09:51:54 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher-c200.zip |
| 09:53:44 | * | linuxstb notices the m:robe commit forgot FILES |
| 09:53:46 | pixelma | linuxstb: I also had to choose msc mode in the OF, but low_light also mentioned that there are few firmware revisions that don't allow you that |
| 09:54:06 | linuxstb | Ah, so the user might need to downgrade their OF? |
| 09:54:49 | pixelma | I think so, but am really not sure. Better ask him |
| 09:55:27 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: seemed to go in just fine |
| 09:56:37 | jhMikeS | of course I can't put it through any steps needed on a fresh device |
| 09:56:38 | advcomp2019 | sandisk on the c200 did remove msc but then in the another update then downgraded the firmware back to put msc mode back |
| 09:57:03 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Thanks. That's the latest official bootloader (about 2 or 3 days old). No more testing should be needed - just that it a) detected an e200 and b) then installed the correct bootloader. |
| 09:57:45 | linuxstb | advcomp2019: So what should we recommend to users? That they use the very newest c200 firmware? |
| 09:59:32 | pixelma | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070917#15:51:20 - the revision on mine was 1.00.04 |
| 09:59:36 | * | jhMikeS gets annoyed that ARM920T is so load stall sensitive :[ |
| 09:59:53 | advcomp2019 | i know not 1.01.05 that is the one they removed msc mode |
| 10:00 |
| 10:00:32 | advcomp2019 | oops... 1.01.06 |
| 10:01:02 | pixelma | s/1.00.04/1.01.04 ... |
| 10:01:49 | jhMikeS | arm, arm, and more arm. that achitecture is annoyingly successful |
| 10:01:52 | advcomp2019 | here is the post that made sandisk go back to the old version... http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=c200&thread.id=372 |
| 10:02:13 | JdGordon | ok, hopefully we'll be green again in 5 min |
| 10:02:26 | advcomp2019 | plus there is 2 versions of the c200 |
| 10:02:43 | * | linuxstb wishes he hadn't asked about the c200... |
| 10:03:55 | linuxstb | JdGordon: firmware/FILES also needs updating with the new files. |
| 10:04:03 | JdGordon | ah yep |
| 10:04:03 | pixelma | advcomp2019: what do you mean? |
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| 10:04:36 | jhMikeS | shouldn't those defines be in a DM320-specific file? |
| 10:05:04 | JdGordon | probably... but that was just done so it can comopile again |
| 10:05:12 | JdGordon | B4gder: i guess thats why we use branches :D |
| 10:05:54 | * | Zagor spots the cute build countdown. whee |
| 10:06:09 | pixelma | that would just have been delaying the problems (and adding to the score later) ;) |
| 10:06:13 | advcomp2019 | i will find that link about the 2 versions of the c200s |
| 10:07:27 | B4gder | JdGordon: I would claim the opposite |
| 10:07:34 | B4gder | that's why _not_ using a branch is good |
| 10:07:38 | JdGordon | :) |
| 10:07:40 | jhMikeS | 15947? one commit I did kicked-out at least 10-times that |
| 10:07:57 | JdGordon | if this one is green add the c200 and ill commit the FILES change |
| 10:08:35 | gammy | Oh hey |
| 10:08:47 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Is there a reason to use inw/outw instead of defining macros of the form (*(volatile unsigned long *)(addr)) ? (which is how the other ports do things) |
| 10:08:47 | gammy | I just came up with a good idea for a simple first-time plugin |
| 10:08:50 | gammy | Yay! |
| 10:08:52 | advcomp2019 | here is the post... http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=c200&thread.id=334 |
| 10:09:19 | Zagor | speaking of branches, is anything happening on the gigabeat-s front? should we force them back into the trunk? |
| 10:09:29 | JdGordon | linuxstb: youd have to ask kkurbjun... |
| 10:09:29 | ddalton | I have forgotten my password for the wiki. What should I do? |
| 10:09:49 | JdGordon | yay, green! |
| 10:09:52 | B4gder | Zagor: there seems to be commits done in bursts on it |
| 10:10:02 | B4gder | ok, stand by for c200 |
| 10:10:15 | JdGordon | dont restart the build... ill commit to kick it |
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| 10:10:46 | jhMikeS | how'd we get a new s3c2440 init sequence as part of the m:robe port addition? |
| 10:11:23 | * | JdGordon thinks kkurbjun chose a good time to be absent :p |
| 10:11:38 | JdGordon | B4gder: added? |
| 10:11:41 | Zagor | commit-and-run is a time-honored tradition |
| 10:11:45 | B4gder | JdGordon: go go go |
| 10:11:59 | JdGordon | and done |
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| 10:12:53 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: hey, there's still yellow spots! :P |
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| 10:14:32 | ddalton | Is it possible for me to open a wiki page? |
| 10:14:36 | ddalton | a new one |
| 10:15:06 | Zagor | ddalton: yes |
| 10:15:09 | Chronon | ddalton, just type in the name of the page |
| 10:15:19 | * | jhMikeS thinks a new port a week should be a goal |
| 10:15:24 | Chronon | One of the options will be to create the page if it doesn't exist |
| 10:15:32 | B4gder | jhMikeS: indeed! |
| 10:15:42 | ddalton | ok and how do I link it to for example blind users index? |
| 10:15:48 | B4gder | btw, anyone mind if I switch dev2.cgi to be the new dev.cgi? |
| 10:16:12 | Chronon | ddalton: is that another wiki page? |
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| 10:16:44 | ddalton | well I want to make a new one and it is related to blind users so how do I put a link on the blind users index to link to my new page? |
| 10:17:03 | Chronon | You didn't answer my question. |
| 10:17:14 | Zagor | B4gder: go ahead |
| 10:17:26 | ddalton | what is the question I want to create a new page yes |
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| 10:17:41 | Chronon | is the blind user index a wiki page? |
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| 10:17:53 | B4gder | done |
| 10:18:06 | B4gder | it's now even more hardcore dev info |
| 10:18:39 | pixelma | Chronon: yes, see the first link under "documentation" in the twiki/home page |
| 10:18:45 | Chronon | I found it |
| 10:18:55 | ddalton | yes |
| 10:19:05 | Chronon | ddalton: yes, just edit that page and add a link to the one you created. |
| 10:19:18 | B4gder | hm bootloader broke |
| 10:19:54 | linuxstb | B4gder: Are you checking for the right name - it's firmware.mi4 IIRC |
| 10:19:58 | ddalton | Ok is everyone happy if I create a page on compiling when you are blind, getting setup, adding patches, Some good patch and anything else that comes to mind? |
| 10:20:06 | B4gder | no, I'm not so that is the problem |
| 10:20:21 | B4gder | fixed now for next commit |
| 10:20:55 | ddalton | B4gder: Were you talking to me? |
| 10:20:55 | linuxstb | ddalton: Sounds very useful. |
| 10:20:57 | B4gder | and... now c200 is there in the table |
| 10:21:02 | B4gder | ddalton: no |
| 10:21:08 | ddalton | ok I will see how I go. |
| 10:21:16 | ddalton | How do I do all the tables and links? |
| 10:22:18 | B4gder | the build table is becoming *wide* |
| 10:22:28 | linuxstb | B4gder: "is becoming" ? |
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| 10:22:51 | B4gder | yeah, previously it was just wide ;-P |
| 10:23:36 | linuxstb | Would making it portrait just be too confusing? |
| 10:23:40 | * | jhMikeS is glad XP supports 32-bit pixel coordinates |
| 10:24:06 | B4gder | linuxstb: we might have to do that sooner or later |
| 10:24:17 | Zagor | linuxstb: it would mean having to dynamically make images for the timestamps |
| 10:24:26 | scorche | it is getting close to almost the full size of my screen in 1600x1200 |
| 10:24:30 | linuxstb | Zagor: Sure, but for people with your scripting skills... |
| 10:24:47 | B4gder | I'm thinking build numbers and the date+time in a popup only |
| 10:24:52 | Chronon | ddalton: try here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/TWiki/TWikiDocumentation |
| 10:24:54 | advcomp2019 | another thing i found on about the c200v2 it does not have msc mode |
| 10:24:58 | Zagor | it's not a technical problem but can get annoying to load |
| 10:25:03 | * | jhMikeS never used the sideways scrollbar so much |
| 10:25:27 | B4gder | advcomp2019: so this claimed c200vs is available as well? |
| 10:25:31 | Zagor | B4gder: yeah I'm also thinking about collapsing the table somehow. for example all the green columns don't really need to be seen full-width |
| 10:25:42 | B4gder | true |
| 10:26:11 | B4gder | c200v2 I meant |
| 10:26:24 | advcomp2019 | it is within other posts but here is another −−> http://forums.sandisk.com/sansa/board/message?board.id=c200&message.id=12 |
| 10:26:37 | Zagor | advcomp2019: that's an issue with the firmware, not the hardware |
| 10:26:47 | Zagor | firmware > .04 or so removes msc |
| 10:26:50 | B4gder | advcomp2019: that forum has lots of pure crap, that doesn't mean those things exist in real life... |
| 10:27:11 | B4gder | I mean, lots of rumours and things |
| 10:27:29 | advcomp2019 | i have not seen them myself but you might run into them |
| 10:27:50 | B4gder | I doubt it |
| 10:27:56 | B4gder | not under that name at least |
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| 10:28:05 | linuxstb | Or the table could be split - e.g. by bootloader/sim/normal or maybe by CPU family. |
| 10:28:54 | pixelma | Zagor: .04 worked fine... |
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| 10:29:31 | Zagor | I don't remember the specific version |
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| 10:35:14 | JdGordon | 2 more targets (MAX) and the table wont fit in 1680x1050 |
| 10:35:27 | JdGordon | so yeah, redo the table :) |
| 10:36:36 | * | petur has 1920x1200 and can handle some more width :p |
| 10:36:55 | petur | JdGordon: use a smaller font? |
| 10:37:11 | JdGordon | no thanks :) |
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| 10:40:30 | pixelma | JdGordon: depends on the score... the columns got wider, it would have fit on my screen without it :P |
| 10:41:17 | petur | maybe we can hide the sims and bootloaders if they are without errors? |
| 10:42:00 | petur | or put them in a second table |
| 10:43:42 | Zagor | linus had an excellent idea: put bl/app/sim above each other in each cell. that cuts the table width by 2/3 |
| 10:44:27 | JdGordon | it would make each row taller though and look odd |
| 10:44:52 | Zagor | I think it's worth a try |
| 10:45:11 | JdGordon | lol @ the c200 pic... Mr individual I see |
| 10:45:36 | JdGordon | maybe roate the pic so the logo is the right way round? |
| 10:45:48 | pixelma | then it's wider |
| 10:46:01 | JdGordon | its wider than the text? |
| 10:46:55 | pixelma | the current pics are scaled to a specific height, should I do that with the c200? |
| 10:47:36 | linuxstb | The Rockbox logo is a simlar shape to the c200... |
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| 10:47:49 | pixelma | if I make it as wide as the others in average it would be really really small... |
| 10:48:24 | JdGordon | use that image but rotate it? or i guess we just live with it :p |
| 10:48:24 | Zagor | try just rotating it the current size |
| 10:48:54 | JdGordon | either way its going to look odd-man-out though |
| 10:49:00 | Zagor | it makes sense to present the players in their "normal" orientation, I think |
| 10:49:22 | pixelma | maybe it can be rotated as the width got almost the same as the height in the cells anyways |
| 10:49:43 | pixelma | or with the text even wider |
| 10:50:48 | Zagor | reload |
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| 10:50:54 | Zagor | it surely looks odd :-) |
| 10:51:07 | B4gder | yeah |
| 10:51:15 | JdGordon | would look ok if the text was positioed correctly though |
| 10:51:17 | linuxstb | Maybe it needs padding to the same height? |
| 10:51:20 | Zagor | but I still think it makes sense. |
| 10:51:23 | pixelma | Zagor: Sandisk also shows the c200 in this upright orientation |
| 10:52:15 | linuxstb | pixelma: I was mislead by that though - I assumed it was used in portrait mode like the e200. |
| 10:52:21 | pixelma | I think the pic should be centered then and the text should be still at the bottom |
| 10:52:49 | GodEater | linuxstb: did you take a look through the classic firmware yourself yet ? |
| 10:53:10 | markun | Zagor: I also think the Gigabeat S branch should go back in the trunk |
| 10:53:10 | Zagor | well we don't want to many special layout tricks for this single cell |
| 10:53:23 | pixelma | the rockbox logo and text in the "source" cell could use the same |
| 10:53:36 | linuxstb | GodEater: Only very very briefly. |
| 10:53:53 | B4gder | markun: I agree with that |
| 10:53:59 | pixelma | Zagor: or maybe align both to the bottom, how does that look? |
| 10:54:01 | scorche | linuxstb: did you get one? |
| 10:54:09 | linuxstb | scorche: No |
| 10:54:24 | Zagor | pixelma: equally strange, I think |
| 10:54:25 | GodEater | LinusN: enough to work out if the firmware is encrypted or not ? |
| 10:54:50 | linuxstb | I guess that was for me? |
| 10:54:54 | JdGordon | valign="bottom" looks slightly less trange than without it |
| 10:54:57 | GodEater | oops - yes |
| 10:55:07 | Zagor | we've had this for the source archive for ages. I think it's just a matter of getting used to it. |
| 10:55:11 | * | GodEater should type more characters for his auto-completion |
| 10:55:11 | linuxstb | You need case-sensitive tab-completion... |
| 10:55:23 | Zagor | we're likely to get more targets with landscape orientation too |
| 10:55:25 | GodEater | yeah, or I need to be less lazy |
| 10:55:47 | * | GodEater has found himself trying to auto-complete actual words recently. Funnily enough that doesn't work. |
| 10:56:10 | JdGordon | Zagor: just add a second <br> between the image and link |
| 10:56:35 | Zagor | this table is auto-generated. special cases get very messy. |
| 10:56:47 | JdGordon | oh :( |
| 10:57:01 | GodEater | linuxstb: so what was the answer ? |
| 10:57:19 | linuxstb | GodEater: No (not enough to tell if it's encrypted) |
| 10:57:51 | * | GodEater will try to work that out today then |
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| 11:01:38 | amiconn | jhMikeS: I really can't see how that could work |
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| 11:09:33 | pixelma | Zagor: maybe use bottom alignment in the cells and add a bit of transparent lines to the c200 and logo pngs so they appear center aligned or at least don't 'stick' at the text? |
| 11:10:09 | pixelma | *centered |
| 11:11:48 | Zagor | I think it's pretty ok now |
| 11:15:08 | linuxstb | Can the svn revision be added to the Source cell at http://build.rockbox.org/ ? |
| 11:16:37 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it's based on horizontal strips of sorted rectangles l to r, t to b. not really good to describe but easy to draw but picture a viewport overlapped by one other viewport that happens to lie completely inside the one it covers. it needs four rectangles: one above, one on the left, one on the right, and one below. a drawing op can just fill whole rectangles even preserving current drawing order. |
| 11:17:55 | GodEater | linuxstb: is OSOS the right one to look at? |
| 11:18:09 | linuxstb | GodEater: Yes, and it looks encrypted to me... |
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| 11:18:17 | GodEater | oh, you already got there |
| 11:19:00 | GodEater | well, for future reference, I assume that there's an offset after the !ATAsoso bit near the beginning of the image - where do I see that ? |
| 11:19:19 | linuxstb | It's 0x04d07000 (stored little-endian) |
| 11:20:14 | amiconn | jhMikeS: That would still be more overhead than a single rectangle, and it would require lists of variable length. Where would those be stored? |
| 11:20:42 | amiconn | And I still fail to see the advantage of such complicated clipping if there is only one gui thread |
| 11:21:51 | GodEater | linuxstb: thanks sir - I shall post this bad (but not entirely unexpected) news to the forums then |
| 11:22:01 | jhMikeS | they are limited if you limit the number of overlappable ports since the complexity can only be so high from n number of them. the topmost viewport would only ever be one rectangle and only be split when covered. |
| 11:22:02 | linuxstb | GodEater: The length is probably 0x008c0403, and 0x08000000 could be the "load address" - i.e. the start address of RAM. (these seem to match earlier firmware versions). |
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| 11:23:07 | ddalton | not sure if my last message got through. But what should this page be called? it talks about blind users doing the following: useful patches, setting up, cygwin development for blind users, how to code when your blind and anything else I can think of |
| 11:23:12 | jhMikeS | of course if a viewport is completely covered, it has no rectangle other than its bounding one and all drawing operation return with no further action. |
| 11:23:54 | linuxstb | GodEater: There are some interesting things at the end of the firmware image though - references in plain text to certificates, and the string "S5L8702 Secure Boot" |
| 11:24:00 | amiconn | Zagor: Why do we need images for the vertical text at all? Those tables use css all over, so I think it should be possible to render vertical text via css as well |
| 11:24:10 | amiconn | Or does such a thing not exist in css? |
| 11:24:15 | B4gder | nope |
| 11:24:18 | B4gder | no such thing in css |
| 11:24:28 | B4gder | they plan it for css3... |
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| 11:25:08 | amiconn | And putting the text vertical without rotating the letters? |
| 11:25:33 | B4gder | you mean with <br> inserted between each letter? |
| 11:25:39 | B4gder | I think it would look a lot worse than today |
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| 11:28:57 | amiconn | B4gder: Yes, with <br> between each letter |
| 11:29:18 | GodEater | as expected, our "more ambitious" thread starter has come back and said "oh, I don't have time to do all these constructive things you've suggested" |
| 11:29:26 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 11:29:37 | B4gder | and the circle is closed |
| 11:29:51 | B4gder | lap #47 completed. another around anyone? ;-) |
| 11:30:01 | GodEater | give it another couple of months ;) |
| 11:30:18 | B4gder | yeah, we need another new logo thread first |
| 11:31:06 | GodEater | hehehe |
| 11:32:34 | pondlife | A more ambitious logo? |
| 11:33:04 | GodEater | ideally yes |
| 11:33:20 | GodEater | a nice 3d rendering (in real time of course), rotating and flashing and stuff |
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| 11:34:21 | * | petur still votes for the cube-with-music-note-in |
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| 11:37:34 | GodEater | pondlife: do you think you could manage that ? |
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| 11:46:29 | chime_in | I like how Sansa starts the word Sansa with a "star" running through it. It's inviting and appealing. Something of that sort would be good for RB, even if it's waste of time/battery (I don't know whether it is) |
| 11:46:45 | B4gder | I hate that... |
| 11:46:53 | B4gder | it's like 60% of the bootup time |
| 11:47:28 | chime_in | B4gder: are you joking? really? |
| 11:47:29 | Zagor | us c200 users just get that stupid dog and a few dots incrementing |
| 11:47:33 | GodEater | B4gder: does that count as a new logo request? If so - I'm impressed with your prescience ? |
| 11:47:34 | B4gder | I'm dead serious |
| 11:47:38 | JdGordon | why would we want the word sansa with a "star" runnig through it on rockbox? |
| 11:47:50 | B4gder | Zagor: oh, a dog? ;-) |
| 11:48:34 | chime_in | JdGordon: I didn't mean exactly that, just something that feels like a sort of greeting or .. you get the idea? |
| 11:48:36 | Zagor | B4gder: laugh or cry, your choice: http://www.lilmonsta.com |
| 11:48:46 | Zagor | http://www.lilmonsta.com/c200.php even |
| 11:48:57 | Zagor | that ugly thing is what the c200 is showing when booting |
| 11:49:08 | JdGordon | wtf? |
| 11:49:14 | B4gder | oh |
| 11:49:16 | B4gder | my |
| 11:49:17 | B4gder | god |
| 11:49:21 | * | B4gder faints |
| 11:49:27 | GodEater | very inviting |
| 11:49:39 | * | linuxstb thinks someone should be attempting to replace the Sansa bootloader with a Rockbox bootloader - given that Rockbox seems to work in manufacturing mode |
| 11:49:55 | * | GodEater volunteers linuxstb for such a project :) |
| 11:50:07 | B4gder | indeed, bootloader kickout project ;-) |
| 11:50:08 | * | linuxstb doesn't own a Sansa |
| 11:50:14 | * | GodEater doesn't care |
| 11:50:31 | Zagor | happily the dog only just flashes by on the c200 before the glorious rockbox loader starts filling the screen with text :-) |
| 11:51:00 | linuxstb | On most targets we don't even display that text any more - unless there's an error to report. |
| 11:51:02 | GodEater | chime_in: seriously, how often do you actually look at your sansa's screen while you're turning it on ? |
| 11:51:34 | Zagor | linuxstb: ok. that would be welcomed on c200 too, now that it's working. |
| 11:51:46 | pixelma | Zagor: yeah, that ...thing... is stupid |
| 11:51:47 | linuxstb | Zagor: See the "verbose" variable in bootloader/common.c |
| 11:52:13 | JdGordon | linuxstb: as good as that would be.. dont reallly want to risk the player over it |
| 11:52:24 | linuxstb | JdGordon: What's the risk? |
| 11:52:36 | B4gder | JdGordon: you can just go to manufacture mode and fix |
| 11:52:42 | JdGordon | bad flash might stop even manufact mode working? |
| 11:52:48 | linuxstb | It's not flashed. |
| 11:52:58 | chime_in | GodEater: almost every time. I want to know when it's ready to use. |
| 11:52:59 | B4gder | nand-flashed ;-) |
| 11:53:05 | linuxstb | It's in the firmware partition - don't you remember patching it? ;) |
| 11:53:27 | JdGordon | isnt that bootloader on flash? |
| 11:53:32 | GodEater | chime_in: think you're in the minority then. I never look at my DAP when I turn it on, I know it's ready to use as soon as my ears hear music. |
| 11:53:32 | B4gder | no |
| 11:53:42 | JdGordon | oh, ok then |
| 11:53:46 | * | linuxstb wonders where JdGordon was when he wrote the e200r patching application |
| 11:54:13 | JdGordon | too many loaders... i get confuesed |
| 11:54:42 | JdGordon | bah, yes im a drongo |
| 11:55:23 | chime_in | GodEater: do you use auto resume? |
| 11:55:27 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Speaking of the e200r patching application, any plans to investigate why it no longer works? |
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| 11:55:59 | JdGordon | no immediate ones |
| 11:56:12 | scorche | there is that drongo word again... |
| 11:56:15 | JdGordon | mrobe and uni have stolen my attention atm |
| 11:56:36 | markun | linuxstb: can you take a look at this? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/wma_clean.diff |
| 11:56:38 | linuxstb | Then IMO we should think about removing e200r from the front page - without a Windows installer, I wouldn't call it "supported". |
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| 11:57:43 | linuxstb | markun: Anything that cleans up wmadeci.c is good IMO. |
| 11:58:06 | JdGordon | hmm.. e200r is probably more important than mrobe |
| 11:58:10 | markun | linuxstb: I was going to move the (i)mdct and fft code to seperate files, what do you think? |
| 11:58:13 | JdGordon | ill try to have a play tonight |
| 11:58:14 | GodEater | chime_in: of course |
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| 12:00:13 | linuxstb | markun: Sounds sensible to me, but I've only really been involved with the asf part of the codec - saratoga's the person to talk to about wmadeci |
| 12:00:28 | markun | but he's not here :) |
| 12:01:53 | markun | linuxstb: I still would like to change the codecs so they can use the same mdct implementations |
| 12:04:47 | linuxstb | markun: Again, sounds sensible to me, but I don't know the internals of the lossy codecs. |
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| 12:08:29 | linuxstb | aliask: Have you seen the suggestion to move the gigabeat-s port back to trunk? What's your view on that idea? |
| 12:08:58 | scorche | linuxstb: i think they just went over that in -community |
| 12:09:31 | scorche | i think you were in the channel then...scroll up =) |
| 12:09:53 | linuxstb | I was... Typical off-topic chat in -community... |
| 12:10:23 | petur | one more reason against channel split *sigh* |
| 12:10:24 | scorche | it has been real lively this morning... |
| 12:10:31 | * | scorche huffs at pondlife ;) |
| 12:10:37 | linuxstb | petur: Exactly... |
| 12:11:10 | GodEater | one more reason for scorche to be more strict |
| 12:11:24 | * | pondlife huffs back |
| 12:11:28 | scorche | more strict about the no rockbox chat as well |
| 12:11:33 | pondlife | Of course |
| 12:11:48 | GodEater | that's what I mean |
| 12:12:02 | linuxstb | GodEater: strictness isn't really the issue IMO - what if something genuinely starts as user conversation, then moves to development talk? It will be a pain to follow in the logs.. |
| 12:12:48 | GodEater | linuxstb: you clearly didn't read my response in the email thread.... |
| 12:13:24 | scorche | well, that never started out as a user conversation anyway....see: * GodEater is wearing a 'fro wig, and platform shoes with goldfish in them. |
| 12:13:26 | scorche | whoops.. |
| 12:13:35 | GodEater | hahaha |
| 12:13:42 | scorche | <JdGordon> aliask: gonna merge your S branch into the trunk? |
| 12:14:08 | scorche | GodEater: sorry to reveal your dirty habit ;) |
| 12:14:20 | pondlife | GodEater is a nun? |
| 12:14:22 | * | GodEater has no shame |
| 12:14:31 | linuxstb | GodEater: Which one? I can't see a reply from you that addresses that issue. |
| 12:15:00 | GodEater | linuxstb: the one which said, I'm abstaining on the issue, and don't care if we split the channels, or stay in one. |
| 12:15:21 | GodEater | hoping, in the beginning, to avoid this very discussion :( |
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| 12:30:52 | Nico_P | scorche: did aliask answer ? |
| 12:31:01 | scorche | yup |
| 12:31:38 | Nico_P | what did he say ? |
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| 12:32:35 | scorche | http://pastebin.ca/704394 |
| 12:33:47 | Nico_P | "* GodEater waves his git |
| 12:33:58 | Nico_P | :) |
| 12:34:15 | mindhassle | Please don't shoot me but would the following be possible? For each menu item, store the number of times that item was selected. And then arrange the items according to the statistics. The statistics would be saved in a file. This way, every user will end with his personally arranged menu. |
| 12:34:36 | mindhassle | This is like play count for songs. |
| 12:34:36 | markun | mindhassle: sure, would be possible |
| 12:34:50 | scorche | it would be possible, but it wouldnt be implemented in SVN |
| 12:35:07 | mindhassle | markun: but would it also be accepted by RB "dictators"? |
| 12:35:14 | markun | nope :) |
| 12:35:16 | scorche | not into SVN |
| 12:35:38 | mindhassle | scorche: why? It could also be an option (whether to respect that statistics) |
| 12:35:47 | B4gder | mindhassle: you have some persuading to do first... |
| 12:36:01 | scorche | adding it as an option would increase binary size and add to option bloat |
| 12:36:04 | B4gder | like how this is truly a good thing that won't cause support hell |
| 12:36:14 | scorche | (which it would cause support hell) |
| 12:36:42 | scorche | pondlife: heh....not you too! (re: the S) |
| 12:36:53 | markun | mindhassle: how often would the menu rearrange itself? |
| 12:36:54 | mindhassle | For the start, when there is no statistics yet, the setting should be set to No, but the statistics would still be gathered in the background. After some time, you switch it on and have a personalized menues. |
| 12:37:11 | rasher | I can see the use of a "gather statistics" build, perhaps. |
| 12:37:23 | markun | mindhassle: in that case why not personallise them yourself instead of using the statistics? |
| 12:38:02 | mindhassle | markun: the menues would adjust automatically as you use it. More frequently called items go to top. |
| 12:38:25 | mindhassle | markun: you'd do nothing explicitly to achieve that. |
| 12:38:36 | scorche | that would be absurdly annoying having the menus changing constantly... |
| 12:38:55 | B4gder | not for me, I hardly ever change a setting ;-) |
| 12:39:21 | mindhassle | scorche: I hope, after some time the statistics would stabilize. That's the point. |
| 12:39:52 | GodEater | it would be a complete support nightmare though |
| 12:39:55 | scorche | mindhassle: and my point is that it would be an option that would never get off the ground in SVN...that isnt to say you are restricted from making a patch that does so |
| 12:40:02 | GodEater | every user would likely end up having different menus |
| 12:40:16 | scorche | and everyone would be asking "where did xxxxx go?" |
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| 12:40:31 | mindhassle | GodEater: why? The items don't disapperar, they just got reordered. Only within a menu. |
| 12:40:43 | scorche | so you have to guess where the item is every time? |
| 12:40:46 | B4gder | sounds like a lot of work and code just to get menus reordered |
| 12:41:16 | pixelma | maybe you wouldn't be aware yourself where the optione ends up? |
| 12:41:23 | scorche | as has been said before, a patch that gethers statistics could be interesting, but i very much doubt that teh reordering patch would go anywhere |
| 12:41:55 | mindhassle | scorche: I won't be able to tell the exact position. But I'll be able to tell the menu since the sets wouldn't change. |
| 12:41:56 | GodEater | it's not something I'd want or use in any case |
| 12:42:43 | preglow | rasher: i like the xml stuff |
| 12:43:20 | mindhassle | scorche: that's because you all are against it upfront. I'll try to implement it and post a patch. Maybe the attitude will change then. |
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| 12:43:51 | mindhassle | Since in the end, you'll have to do less klicks. |
| 12:44:31 | scorche | well, it is going to be extremely hard to convince us to not be against it... |
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| 12:45:05 | * | GodEater wonders who changes their settings that often anyway |
| 12:45:11 | mindhassle | scorche: is the main concern the support? The exact position of menu entries? |
| 12:45:14 | rasher | preglow: think you're the first one to actively like it |
| 12:45:21 | GodEater | the statistics on my build would be "1 change, on day of install" |
| 12:45:32 | linuxstb | mindhassle: Are you talking about all menus, or just some? I'm probably in the minority, but I don't see reordering menu items as causing any support issues - people can read... |
| 12:45:40 | scorche | support, a useless feature adding to option bloat and binary size |
| 12:46:40 | rasher | B4gder: how shall I interpret the lack of response to my xml post? As lack of response (yet), approval or seething hate? |
| 12:46:41 | preglow | rasher: i find working with the current format manually so annoying i don't see a reason not to go xml |
| 12:47:01 | mindhassle | linuxstb: we can decide. Maybe all. Or maybe only those specially marked as reordable (in code). I often use the pitch screen. And must curse every time since the setting is not where I want it to be. |
| 12:47:04 | preglow | rasher: using xml will greatly faciliate not having to work manually on them again, so you have my support |
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| 12:48:11 | linuxstb | mindhassle: Don't forget that you can very easily build your own version of Rockbox with the menu items in the order you want them... |
| 12:48:24 | rasher | preglow: it'd at least make it (in my eyes) more likely that translator-tool appeared |
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| 12:48:39 | linuxstb | (well, maybe not "very easily" - it depends how experienced you are with Unix-like compiling) |
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| 12:49:02 | preglow | rasher: not only more likely, it would be trivial |
| 12:49:10 | scorche | it would be much easier than writing a reordering algorithm based on usage statistics |
| 12:49:28 | preglow | rasher: the semantic structure of the lang file is trivial, only the representation is not, and if that's xml, then you don't have to bother with it |
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| 12:49:38 | mindhassle | linuxstb: yes, but that's a custom build so you can have headache with keeping it in sync. And with that feature, you have a structure that fits your personal needs like a glove. |
| 12:50:30 | preglow | rasher: a wiki page with thoughts on what a translator tool should be would be cool |
| 12:50:37 | linuxstb | mindhassle: It's not a headache at all... Whenever you want to update your build, you just type "svn update" and compile a new build. |
| 12:50:42 | scorche | mindhassle: well, as i said, i really really doubt it will get into SVN anyway |
| 12:50:46 | preglow | rasher: and perhaps make people realize going xml would be a good thing |
| 12:50:49 | mindhassle | scorche: sorting isn't that hard. And I also don't think that it will take much code to gather the stats. |
| 12:51:30 | linuxstb | mindhassle: Firstly you need to find a way to save and load the stats, and assign them to menu items. Unless it's changed recently, menu items don't have IDs. |
| 12:51:40 | mindhassle | And the stats could be dumped only once, i.e. at shut down, to avoid spinups |
| 12:52:06 | linuxstb | mindhassle: You then have to deal with changes to the menu structure - i.e. dealing with stats that don't map to a new menu layout, possibly needing to revert them all back to zero. |
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| 12:52:14 | n1s | rasher: if it makes the tools easier to improve/write I'm all for it |
| 12:52:34 | mindhassle | linuxstb: yes, each menu would get a unique id. (Unique at least withtin the menu containing it. Or global.) |
| 12:53:02 | rasher | preglow: well, until such a tool exists, we'd still have manual translating, so keeping the structure simple has its advantages (although once such a tool exists, changing the structure shouldn't be terribly hard either) |
| 12:53:06 | AceNik_ | guys im gonna install RB on ipod nano & ipod video 30G any isues surrounding them, & does RB Qt do all the patching n stuff or anything else is needed |
| 12:53:47 | mindhassle | linuxstb: yes, that should be done. But we can do it very restricted for the start: if something doesn't fit set all to zero and go on. Or don't reorder that menu at all. |
| 12:54:37 | mindhassle | linuxstb: and if menu items would have global ids, even menu reordering would be tolerated. |
| 12:56:05 | linuxstb | mindhassle: But as others have said, a) you'll need to work hard to convince people the complication to the code is worthwhile; b) you'll need to implement it yourself, or find someone else as enthusiastic as yourself... |
| 12:56:17 | mindhassle | *reordering = moving an item from one menu to another |
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| 12:57:25 | GodEater | even with JdGordon's menu code, I don't think re-ordering menus on the fly is going to be easy. |
| 12:57:41 | JdGordon | its not easy.. but its not hard either |
| 12:57:48 | mindhassle | linuxstb: yes, I understand it. The best way is to implement it and let the other try it out. I can code. I only have to find time, sit down, and do it. I won't ask anyone to implement it for me. |
| 12:57:53 | amiconn | Menu reordering is one of the No-Dos anyway |
| 12:58:15 | JdGordon | habving a function read an order from a text file and creating a menu from it would be trivially easy |
| 12:58:41 | mindhassle | But, you know, if hear "no no" from all the people, why even try? |
| 12:58:46 | JdGordon | linuxstb: you said the e200r installer stopped working? |
| 12:58:58 | linuxstb | JdGordon: No, you did... |
| 12:59:08 | JdGordon | hehe, oh ok :p |
| 12:59:15 | JdGordon | better find out why i said that then |
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| 12:59:43 | JdGordon | what?? lame! |
| 12:59:44 | linuxstb | JdGordon: The person testing on Windows said that it didn't work for him (it appeared to upload the app correctly, but then the Sansa didn't do anything). I asked you to test on Linux, and you got the same result. |
| 12:59:48 | JdGordon | i wanted more fight than that! |
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| 13:00:02 | JdGordon | ah yes, ok, investigating now |
| 13:00:10 | preglow | have we removed the "qt" from rbutilqt yet? |
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| 13:04:59 | Nico_P | preglow: no |
| 13:05:30 | tumu | wasn't it going to be renamed as QTrbutilQT? :) |
| 13:06:57 | preglow | we should :> |
| 13:07:04 | preglow | i hate having toolkit names in program names |
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| 13:12:21 | JdGordon | well this is retarted! |
| 13:12:30 | JdGordon | i have no idea why its not working |
| 13:12:51 | JdGordon | .text is correct |
| 13:13:05 | JdGordon | the crt0-bl-pp.S is correct |
| 13:13:15 | JdGordon | the bin is only 1k which should be fine |
| 13:13:49 | linuxstb | pondlife: Re. your mailing list post, refurbdepot.com (US-only shop though, so you need help to buy in the UK) sells refurbished Gigabeat S60s for $199 USD. |
| 13:14:46 | linuxstb | 1k seems small, if it's including the lcd driver, ata driver etc. |
| 13:14:53 | JdGordon | its not |
| 13:14:59 | JdGordon | it does nothing but turn the led off |
| 13:15:19 | pixelma | markun: there is 1 warning in wmadeci.c, hard to spot among the others caused by gcc verions though |
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| 13:16:29 | JdGordon | unless libusb doesnt like amd64? |
| 13:16:56 | linuxstb | That's possible - were your earlier, successful tests on a different Linux? |
| 13:17:23 | JdGordon | ive got both 32 and 64bit linux setups on this comp.. so cant be 100% sure qwhich i tried |
| 13:17:31 | JdGordon | ive got 32bit on my laptop which ill try now |
| 13:18:09 | pondlife | linuxstb: I don't think I'd be willing to pay that much for a refurb. |
| 13:18:43 | JdGordon | nohing on32it eitherrrr ; |
| 13:19:09 | JdGordon | nothing on 32bit either :( |
| 13:21:14 | preglow | do we have any docs on the hardware in this mrobe thing? |
| 13:21:32 | linuxstb | The one with the TI CPU and DSP? ;) |
| 13:21:38 | preglow | yes... |
| 13:21:57 | JdGordon | there is cpu docs |
| 13:21:58 | B4gder | http://mrobefan.elwiki.com/Hardware_Information |
| 13:22:40 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Where? |
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| 13:23:25 | JdGordon | http://focus.ti.com/lit/ug/spru574/spru574.pdf |
| 13:23:26 | linuxstb | Do you mean that leaked DSC24 doc? |
| 13:23:31 | linuxstb | Yes, you do... |
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| 13:23:57 | B4gder | that one doesn |
| 13:24:02 | B4gder | 't seem "leaked" |
| 13:24:14 | JdGordon | its also not the exact same chip.. but close enough |
| 13:24:20 | JdGordon | + the cowon A2 source |
| 13:24:22 | preglow | another dual core target? |
| 13:24:26 | Zagor | ti.com is leaking! :) |
| 13:24:34 | B4gder | cpu + dsp cores, yes |
| 13:24:55 | preglow | one arm core? |
| 13:24:58 | B4gder | yes |
| 13:25:00 | preglow | clocked at what? |
| 13:25:03 | B4gder | 200mhz |
| 13:25:06 | preglow | decent |
| 13:25:14 | preglow | too bad the resolution almost forces dsp use for video |
| 13:25:59 | markun | preglow: isn't that more fun? |
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| 13:26:37 | preglow | markun: well, yeah, if you think rewriting codecs in asm is fun |
| 13:26:49 | preglow | i'd rather do that work with payment as some kind of encouragement :V |
| 13:28:58 | B4gder | ok then we'll pay you... 30 dollars for it! |
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| 13:29:06 | agm3nt | pixelma: are you test mpegplayer on c200?? |
| 13:29:19 | markun | linuxstb: I've moved the fft and mdct code to separate files. Do you want to take a look or should I wait for saratoga? |
| 13:29:49 | pixelma | no, but now I remembered amiconn saying that it won't work... (at least the video part) |
| 13:29:59 | linuxstb | markun: I don't think I'll be able to comment usefully. Maybe preglow could if he has time... |
| 13:30:50 | pixelma | should I disable it again for now? |
| 13:30:58 | B4gder | http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/20/cowons-30gb-iaudio-x5-gets-right-with-god/ |
| 13:31:03 | B4gder | new x5? |
| 13:31:10 | agm3nt | pixelma: yes, I have only audio |
| 13:31:12 | preglow | markun: why? |
| 13:31:16 | agm3nt | pixelma: thanks |
| 13:31:42 | markun | preglow: because I want to play around with different mdct implementations |
| 13:31:51 | linuxstb | B4gder: Looks nice, but could of course be completely new hardware inside... |
| 13:31:54 | markun | linuxstb, preglow: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/wma_moved_mdct.diff |
| 13:32:01 | B4gder | indeed |
| 13:32:17 | JdGordon | oh, should i rename the olympus folder to dm320? |
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| 13:32:44 | B4gder | as long as it is plain dm320 stuff, I think yes |
| 13:32:52 | markun | preglow: and makes wmadeci.c a lot cleaner I think |
| 13:33:09 | preglow | markun: well, a quick glance suggests it's just a pure split, which is not exactly anything that neeeds reviewing :) |
| 13:33:14 | linuxstb | IIRC, the original ffmpeg code had the mdct in a separate file. |
| 13:33:17 | JdGordon | so firmware/target/arm/dm320/mrobe-500 and just ignore the olympus? |
| 13:33:18 | preglow | if you haven't done anything fancy, just go ahead |
| 13:33:36 | preglow | linuxstb: almost certainly, yes |
| 13:33:40 | preglow | and we want to do that anyway |
| 13:33:55 | markun | preglow: then why the 'why?' ? :) |
| 13:33:57 | amiconn | pixelma: I'd think you can leave it enabled. At least it doesn't crash (but you get only audio) |
| 13:34:09 | pixelma | ok... |
| 13:34:14 | amiconn | Making it work requires some work in the core, not in the plugin |
| 13:34:41 | amiconn | (make lcd_yuv_blit() actually do something instead of just returning) |
| 13:34:46 | markun | JdGordon: looks ok to me |
| 13:35:19 | preglow | markun: well, it's always nice to know someones direct motives, heh |
| 13:35:20 | markun | preglow: oops, the codec doesn't sound right anymore.. |
| 13:35:28 | rasher | B4gder: where do they see 30GB? To me that might as well be 80GB |
| 13:36:30 | B4gder | beats me... |
| 13:36:42 | markun | preglow: maybe the tables need to be static? (revtab0 for example) |
| 13:37:38 | B4gder | it seems the current e200 bootloader is weird |
| 13:37:53 | B4gder | seeing that at least two people say they can use the reversed-order BL but not the official one |
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| 13:38:16 | B4gder | I would assume the reversed-order one to be a bit oldish |
| 13:38:40 | B4gder | 2007-07-31 it seems |
| 13:39:16 | linuxstb | B4gder: Are you talking about the OF loading problems? |
| 13:39:19 | B4gder | yes |
| 13:39:29 | B4gder | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12762.0 |
| 13:40:01 | linuxstb | I assume it's the usual case and it works for every dev with an e200? |
| 13:41:07 | B4gder | I'm not so sure any dev tried this operation recently |
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| 13:41:41 | B4gder | I'll try to get a shot at it later on |
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| 13:42:57 | gunluva | Hello, all. |
| 13:43:18 | gunluva | Is the Sansa C200 port working? |
| 13:43:41 | B4gder | yes |
| 13:43:48 | B4gder | it's just a bit hard to install... |
| 13:44:07 | Zagor | that reminds me |
| 13:44:07 | gunluva | Is there a "how to"? |
| 13:44:08 | linuxstb | You could test the new sansapatcher though - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/sansapatcher-c200.zip |
| 13:44:25 | * | Zagor uploads a bootloader to download.rb.org |
| 13:44:26 | gunluva | Would that be deadly? |
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| 13:44:40 | linuxstb | gunluva: Follow the instructions in the e200 manual, but use the sansapatcher in the zip file I've just linked to, instead of the one linked in the manual. |
| 13:44:47 | B4gder | Zagor: we prefer the sansapatcher way anyway... :-) |
| 13:44:56 | linuxstb | gunluva: And obviously also install the c200 build, not the e200 build... |
| 13:45:03 | Zagor | yeah but that needs a bootloader anyway |
| 13:45:07 | B4gder | no |
| 13:45:11 | Zagor | ?? |
| 13:45:11 | B4gder | that's built-in |
| 13:45:14 | gunluva | If I've got music in there already, and I install RockBox, will it get erased? |
| 13:45:42 | linuxstb | B4gder: rbutil still needs the file though - and it's nice to have it there for people compiling sansapatcher themselves. |
| 13:45:43 | Zagor | me stupid, you need it to _build_ it. <grumble> |
| 13:45:55 | B4gder | linuxstb: fair enough |
| 13:46:10 | |Marco| | gunluva: it didn't for me |
| 13:46:25 | B4gder | gunluva: it doesn't erase anything |
| 13:46:33 | gunluva | Alright. |
| 13:46:33 | linuxstb | gunluva: It shouldn't do, but it's also not a good idea to have the only copy of your music on your Sansa... |
| 13:46:42 | pixelma | gunluva: I would back it up first, for some reason the few example songs on it were gone aftre my install yesterday. Maybe it was my fault but backup is always good ;) |
| 13:46:58 | pixelma | *after |
| 13:46:59 | gunluva | Yeah, my stuff is backed up. |
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| 13:47:14 | gunluva | Hmm. Maybe I should wait until after school. |
| 13:47:16 | Zagor | pixelma: the example songs were not in the MUSIC dir, they are in the sansa db |
| 13:47:28 | Zagor | (which is in system/) |
| 13:47:49 | tumu | yay, dumb works in sim :) |
| 13:47:50 | Zagor | I was also confused about that at first, but for the opposite reason (how do I get rid of them??) |
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| 13:48:06 | gunluva | Or maybe I should do it at school. |
| 13:48:49 | tumu | bit malloc happy and having bugs of its own but still working |
| 13:49:06 | Zagor | gunluva: go go go. nothing will go wrong. |
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| 13:50:36 | linuxstb | What was the conclusion about the mod patch on the tracker? Are we rejecting it based on the lack of a clear license? |
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| 13:50:59 | pixelma | Zagor: mine were in the music folder (could still look it up in the backup folder I made first) - and that folder was still there but empty after installing (maybe it was a mistake in my end but can't remember) |
| 13:51:19 | Zagor | odd |
| 13:51:49 | linuxstb | Out of curiousity, what codec did sandisk use for those example tracks? |
| 13:52:35 | pixelma | there were 5 mp3s on it, all 192kbps cbr |
| 13:52:45 | Zagor | I never looked :-) |
| 13:52:51 | * | rasher replaces 83 lines in genlang with $english = XML::LibXML->new->parse_file($englishfile); |
| 13:53:08 | pixelma | and they are really music tracks not like the Iriver one... |
| 13:53:11 | tumu | linuxstb, i don't mind if it isn't included, having it as seperate works for me |
| 13:53:11 | rasher | That's of course the part that comes for free.. |
| 13:53:30 | preglow | anyone have any strong feelings about the fade-in-out features using the hardware volume control? |
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| 13:53:55 | tumu | linuxstb, and if the codec build process is simplified, it would make it lot easier to build improperly licenced codecs |
| 13:54:04 | LinusN | rasher: is XML::LibXML a standard perl module? |
| 13:54:53 | linuxstb | tumu: Even distributing it separately is of questionable legality IMO - it will include function definitions and macros which are part of Rockbox and GPL'd. But IANAL... |
| 13:55:33 | rasher | LinusN: sadly not, but it seems widely available.. I don't think there are any standard perl modules for XML from my reading. Not any that get recommended at least |
| 13:55:47 | B4gder | there aren't? |
| 13:55:59 | rasher | Well depends what you mean by standard. |
| 13:56:01 | B4gder | the ones I've used seemed to exist even on oldish perl installs |
| 13:56:09 | B4gder | but maybe I was just lucky |
| 13:56:10 | LinusN | rasher: so we will have some problems if the XML module isn't easily installable as a cugwin package |
| 13:56:11 | Zagor | preglow: I use fade-on-pause daily, but I suspect that's not what you're talking about? |
| 13:56:20 | LinusN | cygwin even |
| 13:56:37 | preglow | Zagor: oh, but it is |
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| 13:57:14 | Zagor | I like that feature very much |
| 13:57:35 | preglow | Zagor: we use the hardware volume to fade now, which is very clicky on some targets, and means the fade doesn't work at all with the line out port on targets with fixed line out volume |
| 13:57:43 | preglow | i hate it, but that's not the point :) |
| 13:58:13 | Zagor | right. well as long as it keeps working on my archos, I don't have an opinion about how it's implemented |
| 13:58:19 | rasher | LinusN: Well gosh, cygwin doesn't seem to package any perl modules separately.. Let me investigate |
| 13:58:22 | preglow | this won't even have an effect on archos |
| 13:58:24 | gammy | I like it too |
| 13:58:33 | gammy | but can't it be done in software to solve the problem? |
| 13:58:37 | preglow | can't do dsp on archos |
| 13:58:44 | preglow | gammy: that's what i'm saying |
| 13:58:54 | gammy | Ok |
| 13:58:58 | LinusN | i think the fade should be soft, so it works on line out, and it doesn't fade the voice if any |
| 13:59:18 | gammy | yeah |
| 13:59:18 | preglow | it should only affect the main playback buffer |
| 13:59:22 | gammy | Sounds like a nicer solution. |
| 13:59:31 | preglow | but the problem is it's probably not straightforward :P |
| 13:59:37 | preglow | like anything regarding playback.c |
| 13:59:39 | preglow | jhMikeS: around? |
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| 14:00:05 | rasher | B4gder: the only core perl module that has anything to do with xml seems to be Pod::Perldoc::ToXml |
| 14:00:16 | rasher | So I guess we can scrap that idea, then. |
| 14:00:40 | preglow | i don't think perl has any core xml modules, no |
| 14:00:44 | preglow | just bundle a simple one |
| 14:00:53 | rasher | Ah but I want to use the *good* one |
| 14:00:59 | preglow | then make people install it |
| 14:01:04 | gammy | yes. |
| 14:01:05 | preglow | that's what cpan is for |
| 14:01:06 | gammy | cpan! |
| 14:01:11 | gammy | :). |
| 14:01:25 | gammy | and remember to tell people to prepend 'force' |
| 14:01:25 | gammy | :D |
| 14:01:28 | B4gder | or copy the perl code |
| 14:01:36 | rasher | Don't know how nice that is, to be honest |
| 14:01:36 | tumu | linuxstb, well, atleast the main license of dumb says it is licensed under gpl |
| 14:01:37 | preglow | B4gder: it's probably not a simple pl file, heh |
| 14:01:51 | B4gder | no, it probably relies on a c lib underneath... |
| 14:02:00 | preglow | not all xml libs do |
| 14:02:04 | preglow | i don't know if this one does |
| 14:02:05 | linuxstb | tumu: I'm talking about http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5241 |
| 14:02:07 | rasher | It relies on libxml2 |
| 14:02:08 | preglow | perl has a fair selection of them... |
| 14:02:14 | rasher | Which *is* in fact installable through cygwin |
| 14:02:29 | preglow | everything has libxml2 these days, but you need to build wrappers too, and that's hairy |
| 14:02:31 | tumu | linuxstb, i'm not using that, i'm using dumb, http://dumb.sf.net/ |
| 14:02:37 | linuxstb | tumu: I know. |
| 14:03:10 | tumu | if i wanted, i could write a mod player from scratch, i've done it before :) |
| 14:03:22 | rasher | Still, bundling it would be ~20 pm files. Not sure how nice that is either. |
| 14:03:32 | B4gder | not very, no |
| 14:03:35 | linuxstb | Could we create a cygwin package? |
| 14:03:41 | linuxstb | s/we/someone other than me/ |
| 14:04:05 | B4gder | the compilers are cygwin packaged... LinusN did it! |
| 14:04:21 | linuxstb | So we have a volunteer! |
| 14:04:33 | * | B4gder votes in favour |
| 14:04:38 | * | linuxstb seconds |
| 14:04:49 | * | LinusN hides |
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| 14:05:19 | |Marco| | tumu: please do, there is'nt any as is? |
| 14:05:33 | |Marco| | err.. players |
| 14:05:39 | tumu | there is |
| 14:06:01 | * | linuxstb wonders if a mod playing plugin would be more useful than a codec with the current limitations of the playback engine |
| 14:06:01 | |Marco| | oh? thought I looked for it.. |
| 14:06:13 | preglow | linuxstb: oh, for sure |
| 14:06:20 | tumu | i have http://dumb.sf.net playing right now on sansa sim :) |
| 14:06:33 | |Marco| | ooooo, niice |
| 14:06:37 | preglow | tumu: complete with floating point calculations and everything, i'd wager? |
| 14:07:14 | tumu | preglow, out of box, only slight changes |
| 14:07:26 | tumu | haven't tested on real hw yet |
| 14:07:29 | preglow | then you still have lots of work in front of you :P |
| 14:07:29 | pixelma | Zagor: there is still something wrong in the set time screen on c200, you change to the next item on button press and release, leaving out one everytime. Since it is an even number of items and there is no button repeat, I can't set some (e.g. minutes) |
| 14:07:46 | tumu | preglow, didn't say it was going to end here or be easy :) |
| 14:07:57 | preglow | tumu: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/dumb-k54-2005-06-13.tar.gz |
| 14:07:57 | Zagor | I get that on the rgb screen. didn't notice it in the time screen. |
| 14:08:07 | preglow | tumu: that code is supposed to contain improvements, but i never got the chance to check them out |
| 14:08:24 | tumu | preglow, i'll take a look |
| 14:08:25 | preglow | tumu: got it from the guy that made the foobar2000 dumb plugin |
| 14:08:28 | |Marco| | urk.. please, without floating point it sounds harsh, My Mac PPC has some weird issues with ocp and floating points |
| 14:08:52 | pixelma | Zagor: but on the RGB screen you have three items which at least gives you the possibility to set all (jus have to go another round) |
| 14:08:57 | Zagor | yeah |
| 14:09:17 | tumu | preglow, yeah, i know kode54 |
| 14:09:24 | preglow | tumu: goodie |
| 14:09:35 | preglow | i'd love to see a dumb codec/plugin |
| 14:09:40 | preglow | so best of luck :) |
| 14:09:41 | Zagor | it's pretty much the same problem as before, only I changed which keys are buggy... |
| 14:09:55 | linuxstb | preglow: The reason I mentioned it is that tumu is working on a codec... |
| 14:10:32 | preglow | linuxstb: major part of the work isn't in that part anyway, but doing a plugin probably will be simpler indeed |
| 14:11:26 | preglow | LinusN: do you have the url or name for that psychoaccoustic bass boost thing which has a counterpart of on archos daps i don't remember the name for? :P |
| 14:11:30 | Zagor | can sansapatcher update the rockbox bl, or only install it? |
| 14:11:37 | preglow | LinusN: url or name of paper, that is |
| 14:11:55 | linuxstb | Zagor: The "install" option will update if there's already a bootloader there. |
| 14:12:09 | Zagor | nice |
| 14:12:28 | |Marco| | tumu: running for a plugin ? |
| 14:12:50 | tumu | marco, it's running as codec |
| 14:13:29 | tumu | or what do you mean? |
| 14:14:15 | linuxstb | tumu: How are you managing memory in your codec? Are you copying the mod from the main audio buffer to the codec malloc buffer? |
| 14:14:52 | tumu | dumb parses the module and allocs everything in internal structures |
| 14:15:19 | linuxstb | So after the initial parsing, you don't access the audio buffer any more? |
| 14:15:25 | preglow | linuxstb: this is why i really want codec parsers to be part of the playback.s file loader... |
| 14:15:35 | preglow | playback.c... |
| 14:15:47 | tumu | linuxstb, i don't |
| 14:15:55 | linuxstb | preglow: I agree, but as plugins, or part of the core? |
| 14:16:22 | preglow | well, it's tempting to say plugins, but it's just too much of a bother, if you ask me |
| 14:16:32 | preglow | then again, if we stuff them in the core, we might have to include big parts of the codec lib too |
| 14:17:19 | linuxstb | tumu: OK, so you're limited to small MODs (less than about 500KB). |
| 14:17:33 | tumu | probably |
| 14:17:49 | tumu | for now |
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| 14:18:26 | * | preglow wants to play his big xms :> |
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| 14:18:52 | |Marco| | preglow: I want to play my big it's |
| 14:18:58 | tumu | plays realtime on my sansa |
| 14:19:01 | |Marco| | 20mb :D |
| 14:19:03 | tumu | just testing |
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| 14:19:41 | * | amiconn always wondered why there are multi-MB mods |
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| 14:20:09 | amiconn | For that size, it'd be more efficient to just store the music in a streaming format |
| 14:20:13 | Zagor | yeah, sort of defeats the purpose |
| 14:20:28 | tumu | boost ratio is around 50% |
| 14:20:39 | rasher | tumu: it actually plays? Floats and all? |
| 14:20:44 | tumu | ya |
| 14:21:12 | linuxstb | What kind of file is that? |
| 14:21:16 | preglow | amiconn: several of the people who made such big xms did indeed start offering them as mp3 |
| 14:21:29 | preglow | amiconn: but distributing the mods themselves have always been a big part of the entire music scene |
| 14:21:36 | Zagor | hmm, without verbose the screen blinks a second time on the c200 (showing the ugly dog) |
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| 14:22:14 | preglow | Zagor: part of the purpose of mods was also being able to use other peoples work in your own, that's hardly possible if you give people mp3 files |
| 14:22:36 | amiconn | Zagor: I was thinking about that problem too recently. On iriver, if we'd go non-verbose, there would be nothing on the lcd until rockbox starts |
| 14:22:55 | Zagor | heh, I'd say that's an afterthought, but yeah that's a point |
| 14:23:08 | gammy | amiconn: that would be poopy :/ |
| 14:23:16 | preglow | and i'd say it was a big part of why there was so much music in the scene before |
| 14:23:17 | amiconn | Maybe the bootloader should display *something* when there is no need to output textual messages? |
| 14:23:23 | linuxstb | amiconn: You need a nice splash logo ;) |
| 14:23:47 | gammy | I think the text is sexy :(. |
| 14:24:24 | Zagor | preglow: semantics perhaps, but the purpose of mods was to play nice sampled music with little ram. the use-other-peoples-samples is rather a side-effect of the method rather than a purpose. |
| 14:24:30 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yeah, probably. A small and built-in one. |
| 14:25:40 | Zagor | amiconn: "Loading..." could be nice |
| 14:25:59 | linuxstb | Maybe something similar to the ipod apple logo - a small RB logo in the middle of the screen. But as soon as you introduce that, people will want to customise... |
| 14:26:13 | markun | linuxstb: shall I put the ffmpeg copyright over the files I just created? |
| 14:26:28 | markun | as it's mostly their work |
| 14:26:29 | Zagor | linuxstb: I don't see much of a problem with people customizing. as long as they can compile, they can do whatever they want |
| 14:26:30 | linuxstb | markun: I don't know... |
| 14:26:41 | markun | I'll just do it for now |
| 14:26:47 | Zagor | do we have a strict size limit on any boot loader? |
| 14:26:53 | linuxstb | Zagor: Yes, but there are lots of requests for customisable splash logos without recompiling. |
| 14:27:01 | linuxstb | (which have been refused) |
| 14:27:25 | Zagor | we'll continue refusing them, no matter which part of our software that displays it :) |
| 14:27:49 | linuxstb | All the PP bootloaders are fine in that respect. The problem targets will be where we flash the bootloader - I don't know the limits there. |
| 14:27:50 | tumu | linuxstb, that's why i suggested using lua or similar :) |
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| 14:28:51 | linuxstb | Zagor: In fact, it's easier to reject feature requests for code that is flashed - as the argument that it needs to be simple and reliable to avoid bricking applies. |
| 14:29:00 | markun | tumu: for the splash logo? |
| 14:29:26 | tumu | markun, well, ui code, things that end-users want to edit |
| 14:29:42 | B4gder | we should use fpl! |
| 14:29:45 | * | B4gder runs away |
| 14:29:48 | Zagor | haha |
| 14:29:59 | Zagor | fpl is so nice |
| 14:30:15 | pixelma | ask the zune-linux guys what they would use? ;) |
| 14:30:35 | Zagor | probably visual basic - that's what real pros use |
| 14:31:01 | linuxstb | tumu: You're not the first person to mention lua - but IMO it's the kind of idea that needs someone to actually implement it before it can be shown to be useful. |
| 14:31:24 | tumu | linuxstb, i can do that when i get around finishing with dumb :) |
| 14:31:54 | tumu | no one believed dumb would work either :p |
| 14:32:47 | linuxstb | LinusN: Do you know the binary size limits for the coldfire bootloaders? |
| 14:33:48 | LinusN | 64K currently |
| 14:33:58 | LinusN | (the iriver h-series) |
| 14:34:02 | pixelma | tumu: can't remember someone saying that it won't work |
| 14:35:10 | preglow | tumu: we've even had it work before, afaik |
| 14:35:58 | tumu | i know, i was just kidding :) |
| 14:36:35 | tumu | and the previous attempt wasn't in running shape |
| 14:36:38 | tumu | i checked it out |
| 14:36:40 | preglow | indeed not |
| 14:36:45 | tumu | just the sources were included and some makefile work |
| 14:36:54 | tumu | not even close to running |
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| 14:37:21 | Zagor | chopper doesn't work very well on c200. waaay too fast. |
| 14:37:42 | LinusN | Zagor: because of the narrow screen? |
| 14:38:03 | Zagor | i haven't played it on any other target so I can't say, but it sure is difficult... |
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| 14:39:42 | rasher | A-ha! Cygwin does have XML::LibMXL.. I was just looking in the wrong place.. |
| 14:39:49 | class37 | hi |
| 14:39:59 | LinusN | rasher: goodie! |
| 14:40:04 | Zagor | and jackpot is horribly slow instead |
| 14:40:13 | B4gder | btw in case anyone cares, code for that new itunes hash is here => http://cvs.savannah.gnu.org/viewvc/gnupod/src/ext/Hash58.pm?root=gnupod&view=markup |
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| 14:40:39 | class37 | i put on newest build of rockbox for ipod video 30 gig - |
| 14:40:54 | class37 | how often are there improvements |
| 14:40:55 | class37 | ? |
| 14:41:05 | pixelma | Zagor: I made a suggestion in the patch tracker to use the "half sized" version as the Archos do - but he said it was too small (haven't tried since then on my own). IIRC chopper also has a define for "speed"... |
| 14:41:13 | bluebrother | class37: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/MajorChanges |
| 14:41:18 | B4gder | class37: usually no more than 20 times a day ;-) |
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| 14:41:22 | bluebrother | it's even linked from the front page |
| 14:41:52 | Zagor | pixelma: I think the size is pretty good. it just feels like you're starting on level #5 or something |
| 14:41:57 | dionoea | Zagor: try changing the CYCLETIME (or something like that) variable |
| 14:42:00 | B4gder | cracking that hash in 36 hours is indeed a feat |
| 14:42:42 | Zagor | anyone know why the cursor in jewels dims when you move it? makes it very hard to move fast |
| 14:42:52 | petur | now let them crack that fw encryption... |
| 14:43:01 | pixelma | Zagor: don't know about jackpot - that was one of the button actions plugins which annoyed me and then left it there. Will put a mail in the dev-list later about the reasons.. |
| 14:43:33 | B4gder | petur: working hard to get itunes working is hardly a sign they want to hack the fw... |
| 14:43:39 | Zagor | yeah, it takes ~30 seconds for the rolling symbols to stop. and you can't abort... |
| 14:43:47 | Zagor | I had to do the 15-second reset to get away |
| 14:43:48 | B4gder | ah no, they *don't* use itunes |
| 14:43:55 | * | B4gder gets more coffee |
| 14:45:12 | pixelma | Zagor: I'm sorry for not keeping an eye on the possibility to abort there... |
| 14:45:15 | dionoea | Zagor: that jewels diming issue might be related to the LCD display. The cursor isn't supposed to dim. |
| 14:45:26 | Zagor | ok |
| 14:45:45 | dionoea | i'll check on my ipod to be sure |
| 14:46:03 | * | tumu goes to eat, bbl |
| 14:47:16 | dionoea | Zagor: ah nevermind, it isn't drawn at all when swapping tiles. (But it doesn't dim) |
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| 14:47:59 | markun | oops, yellow |
| 14:48:24 | JdGordon | #a in a #define quotes the a arg right? |
| 14:48:40 | dionoea | yes |
| 14:51:06 | linuxstb | dionoea: Don't encourage him... ;) |
| 14:51:41 | JdGordon | no... debugging... not adding new ones |
| 14:51:52 | * | B4gder giggles |
| 14:52:04 | dionoea | :) |
| 14:52:51 | pixelma | there was already one additional woarning in your first commit today... |
| 14:52:55 | pixelma | *warning |
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| 14:53:39 | JdGordon | wow, lots of commits today |
| 14:53:52 | Zagor | I just realized I've never had a colour target before. the games look a lot nicer on this! |
| 14:54:12 | B4gder | whoosh, right into the 21st century! ;-P |
| 14:54:23 | dionoea | hehe :) |
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| 14:54:43 | linuxstb | B4gder, Zagor I don't know who's department this is, but it's been mentioned before that the SVN timestamps at http://www.rockbox.org/ and http://www.rockbox.org/since-4weeks.html differ by 1 hour |
| 14:54:58 | LinusN | Zagor: from the caves straight to the city - what a rush! :-) |
| 14:55:06 | saratoga | markun: merging the IMDCTs for Ogg/WMA/AAC is on my todo list |
| 14:55:11 | Zagor | yeah I need to sit myself down |
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| 14:56:59 | pixelma | I must admit the Video's screen is much nicer (didn't own a colour target myself until now but had possibilities to take a look...) |
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| 14:58:32 | Zagor | plasma and fire are a lot more fun in colour :) |
| 15:00 |
| 15:00:03 | * | linuxstb welcomes Zagor to the colourful world of Rockbox |
| 15:00:10 | Zagor | thanks! |
| 15:01:11 | gammy | hey don't dis the b/w stuff |
| 15:01:16 | gammy | I love my iHP120 |
| 15:01:20 | Zagor | now I just neet to get system_reboot() working, then it'll be mother-in-law safe |
| 15:01:24 | gammy | then again I only love it because of rockbox ^_^ |
| 15:02:33 | markun | saratoga: good to hear |
| 15:03:26 | markun | let's leave both the direct imdct and the one using fft, maybe either can be faster depending on the platform |
| 15:04:15 | * | JdGordon getting fed up with this stupid mr500 |
| 15:04:56 | Nico_P | JdGordon: what's wrong with it ? |
| 15:05:10 | JdGordon | its not doing what i tell it to :p |
| 15:08:52 | gammy | Sounds like a woman ^_^ |
| 15:09:10 | gammy | But hey, once you rub it in the right direction. |
| 15:09:51 | rasher | Zagor s@r([0-9][0-9][0-9]+)@http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=$1@i on the ircreader would be helpful |
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| 15:13:02 | Zagor | does people ever blurt out revision numbers like that? |
| 15:13:11 | Zagor | do |
| 15:13:53 | JdGordon | r14567 |
| 15:14:04 | Zagor | haha |
| 15:14:13 | JdGordon | so i says to her i says... r666 |
| 15:15:12 | linuxstb | Zagor: grep tells me 210 times this year... So almost once a day. (yes, I'm bored...) |
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| 15:15:33 | Zagor | oh well, can't hurt I guess |
| 15:16:12 | NHeal | kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net |
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| 15:19:24 | Zagor | well, there you go |
| 15:19:24 | linuxstb | rasher: Hopefully people won't refer to svn revisions of other projects though... |
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| 15:20:34 | JdGordon | ok, why the hell does adding printf()'s allow the spi driver to not stall? removing them goes into an infinite loop somehwere :'( |
| 15:20:41 | GodEater | linuxstb: surely your grepping has found out whether they do or not already ? |
| 15:22:07 | linuxstb | It has, and they do.. But admitedly only a couple of times this year. Destroyer14094 also has an unfortunate nick... |
| 15:22:23 | Zagor | nah, I use \b |
| 15:22:44 | Zagor | \br(\d+)\b |
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| 15:32:46 | JdGordon | if rx_bytes is a char*, would this actually work "while ((*rx_bytes = inw(IO_SERIAL0_RX_DATA)) & 0x100);" or would it be truncated so it should always be 0x00xx ? |
| 15:33:59 | petur | I think it will be truncated by the assignment |
| 15:34:00 | Zagor | no that won't work. chars are 8 bit, assgning higher values should get you a compiler warning even |
| 15:34:02 | linuxstb | You don't want "& 0xff" ? |
| 15:34:19 | Zagor | you want <<8 |
| 15:34:49 | zx_spectrum | Hello to all. I have a problem with removing ATA password from Hitachi hard disk drive. I tried alot of variouse software which do the work, but it's doesn't help. The password is set to High, and I found information that, if it is set to High I can remove ATA pswd by Master password by entering all spaced, but that's doesn't work.. anyone can help please? |
| 15:35:09 | JdGordon | thats what i thought... |
| 15:35:13 | Zagor | oh, I misread. heh yeah &0x100 will give you exactly one bit |
| 15:35:13 | krazykit | what does this have to do with rockbox, zx_spectrum? |
| 15:35:46 | Zagor | zx_spectrum: all we know is on that page. we don't have any more inside information. |
| 15:36:09 | zx_spectrum | Well, sorry if I'm in a wrong place. I just haven't found any resource for this topic.. |
| 15:36:11 | linuxstb | krazykit: Blame google, Rockbox appears high in the hits for hard disk unlocking due to a problem that used to happen in the early days. |
| 15:36:12 | JdGordon | still getting 0xff from spi :( |
| 15:36:53 | Zagor | linuxstb: blame the clueless world. practically nobody else have mentioned this issue, nor how to solve it. so we should be high on google. |
| 15:37:45 | * | linuxstb googles for "ata password unlocking" and sees Rockbox is #1 - we should sell adverts ;) |
| 15:37:50 | JdGordon | B4gder: one last thing for dev.cgi... can you make clicking on a problem build automatiaclly goto the first problem? |
| 15:38:25 | B4gder | would that really be what you always want? |
| 15:38:56 | JdGordon | you click the link for another reaosn? |
| 15:39:31 | B4gder | yes, at least I have done many times... but most of that info is now shown in the title thing... |
| 15:39:46 | B4gder | ie server, compiler version etc |
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| 15:40:15 | Zagor | I'd say you more often want to see the error than those things. so having the default action go to the error would be convenient in my opinion. |
| 15:40:31 | B4gder | I guess so |
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| 15:44:41 | Undis | whoa |
| 15:44:59 | Undis | anyone awake? |
| 15:45:23 | petur | ZzzzzZzzzzz |
| 15:45:34 | Undis | hehew |
| 15:45:53 | Undis | i have one iAudio X5 on which i would like to install rockbox |
| 15:46:12 | petur | check the fine manual? |
| 15:46:15 | Undis | the only trouble is it was recently damaged, and the little 'subpack' thingy was broken |
| 15:46:19 | Undis | yeahyeah |
| 15:46:22 | Undis | i did |
| 15:46:57 | Undis | now i got a new subpack, but it seems the damage is to the player itself, and now it does no longer charge by the AC-adaptor, only by usb... |
| 15:47:06 | markun | hm, saratoga's gone gain.. |
| 15:47:19 | markun | does anyone want to take a look? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/wma_merge_sincos.diff |
| 15:47:39 | Undis | so the question is, will it update the firmware as long as i have enough power on the thing, or do i have to have the charger plugged in? |
| 15:47:42 | petur | markun: first fix your remaining warning :p |
| 15:47:49 | markun | petur: oops :) |
| 15:49:15 | Undis | i don't know if the power-plugged-in is an actual requirement or if it is just a precaution |
| 15:49:28 | petur | a precaution |
| 15:50:08 | Undis | i would like to point out tho how much i hate the 'subpack'.... a flaw in the design imo |
| 15:50:16 | Undis | guess ill just have to try it hey :) |
| 15:50:24 | markun | petur: I don't really understand how I introduced that warning.. |
| 15:50:28 | petur | the main reaso I didn't buy the X5 |
| 15:50:37 | petur | +n |
| 15:50:42 | markun | petur: wait, I see it |
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| 15:50:53 | Undis | yup, i wasn't aware of the subpack as i ordered online and they conveniently left that part out |
| 15:50:54 | pixelma | no, the power plug will trigger the update iiuc |
| 15:51:08 | petur | oh... |
| 15:51:32 | pixelma | if the right file is in the correct place |
| 15:51:39 | Undis | yeash? |
| 15:51:41 | Undis | -s |
| 15:51:59 | linuxstb | But it sounds like there is no harm in trying? |
| 15:52:23 | Undis | i could try, if it doesn't update it doesn't update... |
| 15:52:26 | Undis | i guess |
| 15:53:12 | markun | petur: committed, now you can look at my patch again ;) |
| 15:53:25 | pixelma | shouldn't do no harm, I'd think. Just want to stress that this is my understanding of it, I'm not completely sure. |
| 15:53:36 | petur | markun: did I say I would? :p |
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| 15:53:44 | * | JdGordon is gonna break something if this freeking change fixes everything! |
| 15:54:04 | markun | petur: you implied it by saying "first fix your remaining warning" :p |
| 15:54:13 | pixelma | markun: I already told you about the warning 2 times before :( |
| 15:54:18 | JdGordon | it seems I may have forgotten to set the damn touch_screen_enable pin to freeking output :'( |
| 15:54:22 | markun | really? Didn't see it |
| 15:54:36 | JdGordon | oh yay :) didnt fix it |
| 15:54:44 | * | JdGordon doesnt feel stupid |
| 15:55:40 | amiconn | Undis: The power plug-in for flashing is a requirement (it's by design in the cowon loader) |
| 15:56:06 | markun | pixelma: ah, you told me.. sorry |
| 15:56:19 | pixelma | ok, markun, you can only count one time, the second attempt got lost because I didn't mention your nick |
| 15:56:23 | amiconn | The cowon loader will only flash if it's started by plugging in power. Otherwise it will simply ignore the X5_FW.bin file |
| 15:56:31 | seablue | do you guys know if iriver will make a new mp3 player? |
| 15:56:52 | linuxstb | seablue: Aren't they constantly releasing new players? |
| 15:57:28 | B4gder | I saw a new iriver being discussed today |
| 15:57:50 | seablue | hm maybe.. i was thinking more along the lines of the h340 |
| 15:58:02 | seablue | like a newer version of it.. with more space |
| 15:58:12 | B4gder | and why would we know of anything like that? |
| 15:58:21 | linuxstb | We have no insight into iriver's plans... But it seems no-one makes pure audio players any more - they're all media players. |
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| 15:59:12 | seablue | b4g, sorry to waste your ¨ irc time |
| 15:59:19 | seablue | valuable even |
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| 16:00:11 | * | B4gder blinks and looks |
| 16:01:26 | markun | seablue: better place for such things is misticriver |
| 16:03:45 | Undis | just gave it a go anyway.... doesn't update... |
| 16:03:50 | Undis | that sucks!!! |
| 16:04:00 | B4gder | Undis: then you do it wrong |
| 16:04:17 | Undis | nah, the AC adaptor input is broken |
| 16:04:20 | Undis | only charges by usb |
| 16:04:32 | B4gder | oh... yes that's "wrong" ;-) |
| 16:04:35 | Undis | hehe |
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| 16:04:48 | Undis | jeeez... |
| 16:05:16 | Undis | guess ill have to disassemble the thing and see if i can solder something back in place to fix the charger input.. |
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| 16:06:10 | Undis | well |
| 16:06:17 | Undis | thanks for your time anyway |
| 16:06:23 | Undis | later |
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| 16:23:17 | saratoga | markun: I looked at that patch |
| 16:23:23 | saratoga | are you sure you can merge those trig tables? |
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| 16:27:45 | saratoga | I tried to do that some time ago |
| 16:28:00 | saratoga | as I recall, the smaller ones are not resampled versions of the larger ones |
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| 16:30:10 | linuxstb | saratoga: Any progress with seeking? I'm thinking your work so far could go onto flyspray so maybe someone else could continue, if you're not. |
| 16:31:02 | saratoga | linuxstb: I'm really busy this fall, so I'm doing very little programming |
| 16:31:08 | saratoga | i can put up a patch though |
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| 16:31:23 | saratoga | i wrote up the binary search version of the seeking patch, but theres some stupid bug that makes it not work |
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| 16:31:36 | saratoga | and I haven't gotten around to figuring it out |
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| 16:40:46 | petur | hahaha... "The reason why I haven't touched window$ (if we ignore ideology here) is that it is so difficult (compared to Linux console)." |
| 16:43:51 | preglow | rasher: did you get anywhere with the usb? |
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| 17:18:14 | ddaph | is there any plugin to do "scracthing" with ipod? like djs do |
| 17:18:37 | bluebrother | no |
| 17:19:04 | ddaph | but isnt that the coolest thing you heard today? |
| 17:19:15 | bluebrother | there is a feature request though. But IMO this is a quite useless feature and not worth the effort. Others may disagree of course ... |
| 17:19:20 | ddaph | you've got the circle thing at your fingers.. why not scracth |
| 17:19:41 | bluebrother | because I want to listen to music with a DAP, and that's it. |
| 17:19:52 | ddaph | ok :) |
| 17:20:27 | ddaph | what theme are you using? |
| 17:20:43 | bluebrother | the default theme on my mini. Looks quite nice there. |
| 17:21:46 | ddaph | ahh most themes need some special builds but i dont want to install special ones |
| 17:22:12 | bluebrother | well, there are a couple of shipped themes. You could try iCatcher for example |
| 17:22:55 | ddaph | is there a crossfader? |
| 17:24:08 | linuxstb | yes |
| 17:24:40 | ddaph | its a plugin |
| 17:24:41 | ddaph | ? |
| 17:25:00 | GodEater | ddaph: have you read the manual at all ? |
| 17:25:08 | ddaph | yeah most of it |
| 17:25:53 | GodEater | so why the questions then ? |
| 17:26:22 | ddaph | ill search again about xfader |
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| 17:26:35 | bluebrother | there is a crossfade option, and it's not a plugin. |
| 17:26:42 | bluebrother | *and* this is explained in the manual. |
| 17:27:33 | bluebrother | and searching for the more generic variant of a term usually helps −− "xfader" is a real bad search string while "crossfade" is much better. |
| 17:28:06 | * | GodEater cries with laughter at the latest -dev ML post |
| 17:28:06 | ddaph | yeah it was for irc only.. |
| 17:29:21 | bluebrother | we prefer real words here too. There are some guys that are blind and rely on screen readers |
| 17:29:33 | bluebrother | but that's stated in the channel guidelines |
| 17:29:36 | * | bluebrother sighs |
| 17:29:36 | GodEater | "GPLV3 is not a new license" <−− what was he smoking when he wrote that ? |
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| 17:31:30 | * | GodEater hands Febs the "I'm not giving you legal advice hat" and asks whether he thinks that GPLV3 is a new license or not ? |
| 17:31:30 | Arathis | amiconn: wasn't there some day you wanted to try porting radio to the h10? ... just wondered if there's something to test cause I was a little off rockbox the last months |
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| 17:32:15 | bluebrother | GodEater: urgh. |
| 17:32:21 | Febs | I'm not sure I can give legal advice right now. I haven't eaten enough flesh yet today. |
| 17:32:40 | bluebrother | why is he that strong about RMS? It's a license, that's all. |
| 17:33:04 | GodEater | Febs: that's why you're wearing the "I'm not giving you legal advice" hat :) |
| 17:33:10 | GodEater | it ruins your appetite |
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| 17:34:46 | * | linuxstb doesn't see any point in a gplv2 vs gplv3 argument - it's a philosophical difference so people will never agree |
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| 17:38:08 | GodEater | linuxstb: you *can't* argue that they're the same license though surely? Not even philosophically ? |
| 17:38:28 | linuxstb | I could, yes, |
| 17:39:12 | GodEater | o_0 |
| 17:39:53 | linuxstb | I seem to recall doing exactly that in one of my posts to that thread.... |
| 17:40:29 | GodEater | I must have missed it, or misread it |
| 17:41:53 | linuxstb | Probably best in -community? |
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| 17:49:15 | * | preglow prefers as few irc chans as possible |
| 17:50:14 | Soap | Was that 20 second visit a registration of disgust? :) |
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| 18:30:18 | bluebrother | hmm, how much is the difference between e200 and c200? Do we need separate manuals for them? |
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| 18:33:43 | linuxstb | bluebrother: As much as a lot of other targets - e.g. the ipods... |
| 18:34:21 | linuxstb | But IMO, it's simpler to just have exactly the same number of manuals as builds - they're free... |
| 18:34:27 | bluebrother | hmm −− it's not in the DeviceChart table unfortunately |
| 18:35:12 | bluebrother | ok, looks like we need a new manual for the c200. |
| 18:36:05 | linuxstb | It would be cool if you could fix that today, and I'll try and release a new sansapatcher. So tomorrow we can call it supported. |
| 18:37:47 | bluebrother | I'll try. We still need someone to draw the player image unless I missed it |
| 18:38:15 | * | linuxstb pings pixelma |
| 18:38:25 | linuxstb | I _think_ she mentioned she had an svg |
| 18:38:49 | bluebrother | the image on the download page looks like the scaled svgs. But I can't see the svg in svn. |
| 18:41:12 | petur | I think pixelma made it |
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| 18:46:19 | bluebrother | do we have a hi-res scan of the c200 somewhere available? I'd like to check the buttons |
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| 18:48:29 | agm3nt | bluebrother: check simulator,but it's not in hi-res |
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| 18:49:36 | bluebrother | agm3nt: thanks for the hint. Might be sufficient, will try. |
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| 18:50:05 | sfenz | in order to install senab's build, can i install the regular one and then just unpack his zip ? it overwrites everything but it doesnt seem to work |
| 18:50:29 | bluebrother | sfenz: you could do that. But senab's build is unofficial and thus not supported here. |
| 18:50:49 | sfenz | but thats the way, right? |
| 18:51:13 | bluebrother | that's the usual way of updating and it should work the same way for updating to an unsupported build. |
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| 18:51:18 | sfenz | ok thanks. |
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| 18:51:20 | preglow | n1s: do you keep any stats on how many kb you've shaved away by now? :P |
| 18:51:22 | pixelma | bluebrother: I already made an svg, just wanted to ask you what we should do with the landscape orientation for the pic in the manual since the macro defines how to use it in the manual by height (and worked on the other patch at the same time) |
| 18:51:23 | bluebrother | maybe he has the firmware file outside of the .rockbox folder? |
| 18:51:40 | n1s | preglow: not really no :-) |
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| 18:55:13 | n1s | preglow: a lot of code in rockbox that isn't performance critical could most likely be rewritten in a much more size efficient manner but I am mostly picking the low hanging fruit ;-) |
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| 19:05:57 | markun | saratoga: ping |
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| 19:16:49 | sfenz | i know this isnt official but - after installing any custom build, like evilG, and then trying to view a theme which should be supported by evilG, i get the regular WPS screen as if something isnt enabled, and the statusbar flickers. what am i doing wrong? this happens to all AA enabled themes |
| 19:17:40 | n1s | sfenz: if you know this isn't the place, why do you ask your question here? |
| 19:17:52 | bluebrother | sounds like the theme is incompatible −− tags might have changed. |
| 19:18:42 | sfenz | n1s: where's the place to ask? |
| 19:18:47 | Soap | sfenz, that is a result of a tightening of the WPS parsing code a few months back. "Invalid" WPSs now don't display at all, Rockbox will display the default WPS when an invalid one is encountered. It would be helpful if people who experience this problem either took it upon themselves to fix the broken WPS, or created a Forum thread detailing not just which WPSs aren't working, but where they downloaded them from. |
| 19:18:50 | sfenz | blue: i downloaded it from rockbox-themes |
| 19:19:08 | bluebrother | sfenz: this doesn't tell anything. |
| 19:19:17 | bluebrother | that page too might hold outdated themes. |
| 19:19:17 | Redbreva | Which theme? I'll check it ou |
| 19:19:23 | Redbreva | t |
| 19:19:39 | sfenz | redbrava: i downloaded evilG latest for ipod video, and jBlackGlass |
| 19:19:54 | Redbreva | OK, I'll have a look |
| 19:19:55 | sfenz | (the one thats on rockbox-themes) |
| 19:20:03 | sfenz | thank yoi |
| 19:20:06 | sfenz | you* |
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| 19:26:41 | Redbreva | sfenz: Are you using the fusion build? That theme works fine in the fusion sim |
| 19:27:01 | sfenz | i dl the one for ipod video, whats the fustion build? |
| 19:27:29 | Redbreva | EvilG offers Fire, Ice & Fusion builds - which one are you running?? |
| 19:27:49 | sfenz | ahh... i dont know :/ must be the wrong one |
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| 19:29:51 | sfenz | thanks |
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| 19:34:33 | amiconn | hmpf |
| 19:34:40 | amiconn | svn conflict :( |
| 19:45:37 | saratoga | markun: pong |
| 19:46:17 | Soap | just for the record, Redbreva, EvilG no longer offers multiple builds. |
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| 20:07:30 | YoshiCJ | I'v got 2 Themes made so far for c200 |
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| 20:22:11 | Redbreva | Soap: There are still Fire & Ice 30 & 60G builds for the ipod video to download on evilg.cleansoap.org |
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| 20:30:50 | nalrod | my Iriver has been "Initializing Database for over 2 hours now since I've installed Rockbox... |
| 20:31:49 | nalrod | should i keep waiting is this normal? am I even in the right place for advice? |
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| 20:35:13 | Soap | Redbreva, yea, the older ones. So I guess I should not have said he no longer "offers" the separate builds, but rather that he no longer makes separate builds. ;) |
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| 20:38:39 | nalrod | does Rockbox initialize for extended periods if the partitions on the harddrive (iriver) aren't "standard". 32G and 8G partitions...? |
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| 20:41:45 | Lars_G | Hey guys |
| 20:42:20 | Lars_G | Question, do you know of a set of gcc toolchain and libc for arm cross in .deb so I don't have to compile it from scratch? |
| 20:43:00 | linuxstb | Lars_G: Compiling from scratch is the recommended way - it's very easy (just run the tools/rockboxdev.sh script). |
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| 20:45:03 | teksimian | does rockbox run on 6th generation ipods? |
| 20:45:14 | Lear | Even doing it "by hand" isn't very hard... |
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| 20:45:24 | linuxstb | teksimian: No, new hardware, new port, no-one working on it - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort |
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| 20:48:08 | teksimian | scary. |
| 20:48:24 | Lars_G | linuxstb: it's not the easyness but the small ammount of bandwidth and hdd I have that scares me |
| 20:49:02 | Soap | teksimian, one can dream that someone will crack the encryption and open up the 6th gen iPod as well as the 2nd and 3rd gen Nano all in one fell swoop. |
| 20:49:24 | n1s | anyone familiar with lists/gui/voice code feels like taking a look at FS #7774 patch by sdoyon adding some stuff to improve the voice ui? I don't feel qualified myself really but if no-one looks at it, I'll try... |
| 20:50:12 | n1s | Lars_G: the gcc-core source tarball is about 20 megs |
| 20:50:48 | Lars_G | n1s: and source tarballs usually expand 4:1 or worse |
| 20:55:53 | amiconn | You'll need enough space for the compiled toolchain plus rockbox sources plus build directory/ies anyway |
| 20:56:29 | amiconn | So if you don't even have enough space to compile binutils and gcc one after another, you would most probably not be able to use them later either |
| 20:57:02 | n1s | Lars_G: if you don't have at least a few hundered megs free you need to do some cleaning :-) |
| 20:58:05 | * | amiconn 's ~/rockbox dir is ~2.2GB |
| 20:58:21 | amiconn | _not_ including the crosscompilers, those are under /opt |
| 20:59:37 | n1s | mine is just 1.8GB also sans compilers |
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| 21:00:26 | Lars_G | n1s: Yeah you tell me |
| 21:00:39 | amiconn | Toolchains are ~260MB (all 3 target architectures) |
| 21:00:59 | Lars_G | Btw since I want to apply a few patches and I don't want to have to juggle stuff every time I update, do you guys use any sort of script for patching a pull? |
| 21:01:05 | amiconn | Those figures are on cygwin, but linux is probably not far off |
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| 21:01:42 | linuxstb | Lars_G: You just apply the patches once, then do "svn update" to update |
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| 21:02:10 | Lars_G | linuxstb: and it should ask to merge. yeah you're right |
| 21:02:13 | Lars_G | doh |
| 21:02:16 | Lars_G | I use svn at work all day long and I forgot that |
| 21:02:19 | * | Lars_G sighs |
| 21:02:19 | Lars_G | thanks |
| 21:02:20 | linuxstb | It doesn't ask, it just does it... |
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| 21:02:48 | Lars_G | linuxstb: it should ask if there are conflicting merges but that's ok |
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| 21:37:23 | rasher | preglow: no, nothing at all |
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| 21:42:47 | ondicz | is this support chat? |
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| 21:47:40 | Lars_G | ondicz: afaik it's still being decided. right now. but for now, yeah |
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| 21:52:51 | GodEater_ | Lars_G: I think the decision's been made actually. This is the place to be for support for the foreseeable future |
| 21:53:12 | Lars_G | GodEater_: Last I checked today it was still under discussion |
| 21:53:18 | Lars_G | thanks for claryfying |
| 21:53:28 | GodEater_ | too many of the old guard said no |
| 21:53:36 | GodEater_ | remember, Rockbox is not a democracy ;) |
| 21:53:38 | Lars_G | to the change? ok |
| 21:53:41 | Lars_G | Yeah |
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| 21:54:39 | Radish- | hi, is there any reason why the rockbox ipodpatcher.exe would open in a new window and close before I have read the text? (windows vista) |
| 21:54:57 | GodEater_ | Radish, it *shouldn't* do that |
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| 21:55:08 | GodEater_ | so can you launch it from a command prompt and see what it says ? |
| 21:55:35 | Radish | I can't, no |
| 21:55:38 | Radish | I am in a command prompt |
| 21:55:41 | Radish | I type ipodpatcher |
| 21:55:47 | Radish | and it just flashes in a new window |
| 21:56:00 | GodEater_ | let me see |
| 21:56:02 | Radish | I have tried all sorts, even hitting print screen as fast as possible and pasting into paint |
| 21:56:04 | GodEater_ | you go to the start menu |
| 21:56:07 | GodEater_ | click run |
| 21:56:10 | GodEater_ | and type "cmd" |
| 21:56:12 | Radish | yes |
| 21:56:20 | Radish | ah wait, hold on- I tell a lie |
| 21:56:26 | Radish | if I just write ipodpatcher, I get the: |
| 21:56:34 | Radish | "enter I to install rockbox.. etc." |
| 21:56:51 | Radish | if I try to do anything with it, like ipodpatcher −−write-firmware-bin my_sw.bin |
| 21:57:00 | Radish | it fails with an error, but it just closes instantly and I can't read the error |
| 21:57:04 | GodEater_ | ah |
| 21:57:09 | GodEater_ | that's a better description |
| 21:57:15 | Radish | but from a cmd window it should not pop up in a new window, right? |
| 21:57:22 | GodEater_ | no it shouldn't |
| 21:57:28 | Radish | I regret installing vista.. that may be the cause |
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| 21:57:44 | petur | in vista, the commandline is hidden in accessories->system tools (fyi) |
| 21:57:48 | GodEater_ | it's vista's "protect the user from himself" policy |
| 21:58:02 | GodEater_ | petur: Does start->run->cmd not launch it ? |
| 21:58:22 | petur | last time I looked at a vista pc, it wasn't there |
| 21:58:29 | GodEater_ | what wasn't there ? |
| 21:58:38 | petur | 'run' |
| 21:58:43 | GodEater_ | wow |
| 21:58:48 | Llorean | You don't need run |
| 21:58:53 | Galois | run is hidden under window-R |
| 21:58:55 | Llorean | Just click the "Start" bubble, and start typing, I believe |
| 21:58:58 | Radish | cmd works fine... |
| 21:59:13 | Radish | this isn't aero.. windows classic theme |
| 21:59:18 | GodEater_ | well anyway |
| 21:59:23 | petur | nevermind me then, I stay far away from vista ;) |
| 21:59:29 | GodEater_ | we've had threads about this in the forums |
| 21:59:35 | GodEater_ | but I don't recall the answer |
| 21:59:42 | GodEater_ | there's some admin setting you have to change IIRC |
| 21:59:59 | GodEater_ | "please let me just do this you stupid machine - I know what I'm doing" or some such |
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| 22:00:01 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 22:00:22 | Radish | dang, |
| 22:00:26 | Radish | other applications work fine |
| 22:00:27 | Radish | like ipod_fw |
| 22:01:24 | Llorean | A couple questions then |
| 22:01:32 | Llorean | 1) Are you running an Elevated command prompt? |
| 22:01:35 | GodEater_ | I don't believe any of the devs in here run vista - which makes it tricky to debug |
| 22:01:39 | Llorean | 2) Have you set iPodpatcher to be run as administrator? |
| 22:01:45 | Radish | I don't know and no |
| 22:01:59 | Radish | and I am a c++ developer myself.. vista is really getting me down :( |
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| 22:02:10 | Llorean | Radish: Well, #2 is probably why it's not working |
| 22:02:18 | Radish | I will set it so then |
| 22:02:21 | Llorean | Especially if #1 is "no" which is most likely if you haven't explicitly run an elevated on. |
| 22:02:34 | Radish | running as admin |
| 22:02:53 | Radish | no change |
| 22:02:58 | Radish | elevated command prompt.. uhh.. googling :) |
| 22:03:13 | Llorean | You don't need to run an elevated command prompt |
| 22:03:23 | Llorean | The advantage (ish) of doing that is anything you run from it should be run as admin. |
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| 22:03:34 | Llorean | But if you just force ipodpatcher to run as admin and double click on it, it *should* be okay |
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| 22:03:42 | * | GodEater_ still thinks there's a policy thing to be changed |
| 22:04:03 | amiconn | Llorean: Maybe vista's uac gets in the way |
| 22:04:13 | GodEater_ | but this is based on experience with RC1, and vague memories a year old |
| 22:04:21 | amiconn | There must be a way to compile a win32 binary that triggers the uac request |
| 22:04:36 | Llorean | amiconn: That's exactly what's getting in the way (at least according to my theory :) ) |
| 22:04:46 | Radish | I am trying to install ipodlinux on a 5g video.. using tools from rockbox |
| 22:05:07 | Radish | I might just end up installing rockbox and be done with it |
| 22:05:13 | Radish | what does rockbox offer above the normal ipod firmware? |
| 22:05:28 | amiconn | Llorean: I doubt that a command prompt running as admin will solve the uac problem. I only know 2 possible ways to circumvent the problem |
| 22:05:49 | Llorean | amiconn: My understanding is that if you launch the command prompt Elevated, any applications you launch with it will be too. |
| 22:05:51 | Radish | what, a) switch back to xp, b) use another pc with xp installed |
| 22:05:54 | Llorean | It's one of the "risks" of doing that. |
| 22:06:00 | GodEater_ | Radish: have you looked at the "Why Rockbox" link on the front page at www.rockbox.org ? |
| 22:06:05 | Radish | I will do |
| 22:06:21 | amiconn | (1) (developer side) make ipodpatcher trigger the uac request. (2) (user option) (temporarily) disable uac in vista |
| 22:06:23 | Radish | does it replace my normal firmware or can I.. um.. dual boot? |
| 22:06:31 | GodEater_ | dual boot |
| 22:06:42 | Radish | excellent! |
| 22:06:46 | Radish | and the install process is automated? |
| 22:06:47 | GodEater_ | although you if you're an iPL fan you'll likely complain about our bootloader |
| 22:06:53 | amiconn | That said, I didn't try many things in vista yet. We just have a vista vm at work to play around with it a bit. |
| 22:07:01 | Radish | I have never used iPL in my life |
| 22:07:30 | Radish | I just want to hack my ipod for no reason in particular ;) |
| 22:07:37 | GodEater_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt |
| 22:07:45 | Radish | rockbox seems cooler than iPL anyway |
| 22:07:48 | GodEater_ | Radish: you can be our first tester of that on Vista |
| 22:07:51 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 22:07:55 | Radish | nice |
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| 22:08:48 | GodEater_ | I'm sure Domonoky and bluebrother will appreciate vista based feedback on their baby |
| 22:09:11 | GodEater_ | amiconn: remind me what uac stands for ? |
| 22:09:28 | amiconn | user account control |
| 22:09:35 | GodEater_ | thanks |
| 22:09:44 | | Part kubrick |
| 22:10:05 | amiconn | It means that even if you are logged in with administrative rights, the programs you start are running with restricted rights |
| 22:10:48 | GodEater_ | that's the thing I recall about RC1 |
| 22:10:53 | amiconn | If a program tries to access things it would need administrative rights for, vista asks the user whether this is okay |
| 22:10:57 | GodEater_ | and apparently all methods to disable require a bloody reboot |
| 22:11:00 | GodEater_ | fantastic |
| 22:11:18 | GodEater_ | amiconn: only ipodpatcher is not triggering this behaviour |
| 22:11:24 | GodEater_ | which we need to find out how to do |
| 22:11:29 | GodEater_ | I see |
| 22:11:37 | amiconn | Yes. Programs need to be aware of this mechanism in order to trigger it |
| 22:12:00 | GodEater_ | otherwise they just get denied, and the user gets no feedback |
| 22:12:04 | amiconn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_Account_Control#Requesting_elevation |
| 22:12:34 | Radish | I can't stand vista and I have only used it for a few weeks |
| 22:12:44 | Radish | I will go back to XP when I get my new computer |
| 22:13:00 | | Quit obo ("bye") |
| 22:13:30 | GodEater_ | Radish: quick fix though to get you going : http://www.petri.co.il/disable_uac_in_windows_vista.htm |
| 22:13:41 | GodEater_ | but each method WILL require a reboot it seems :( |
| 22:13:49 | Radish | I have already done that, but with the "silent" method |
| 22:13:54 | Radish | which doesn't require a reboot |
| 22:13:55 | GodEater_ | ah ok |
| 22:14:04 | Radish | rockbox bootloader installed! |
| 22:14:09 | Radish | disconnecting |
| 22:14:14 | GodEater_ | Radish: would you care to document this process on our wiki please ? |
| 22:14:22 | GodEater_ | we don't have it written down anywhere |
| 22:14:23 | Radish | it's just the normal process |
| 22:14:40 | Radish | if you are an administrator |
| 22:14:58 | Radish | you need to click through a few "watch out, this perfectly harmless exe file will tear out your eyes!" warnings though |
| 22:15:22 | GodEater_ | Radish: I only ask because you're not the first person to ask this question |
| 22:15:34 | Radish | ok |
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| 22:15:36 | GodEater_ | and a lot of the time there's no-one around to even bump users in the right direction |
| 22:15:52 | Radish | and rockbox is installed |
| 22:16:04 | * | GodEater_ waits for the "the default theme SUCKS" comment |
| 22:16:14 | GodEater_ | "it's so tiny" |
| 22:16:15 | Radish | the default theme is nice and minimalistic :D |
| 22:16:22 | Radish | I wouldn't mind trying some alternate ones |
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| 22:16:35 | GodEater_ | thought you might :) |
| 22:16:59 | Radish | will rockbox sync with itunes like the normal firmware does? |
| 22:17:29 | GodEater_ | Radish: first commandment "As an ipod owner, thou shalt not complain about battery life. 'Tis a known issue, and we're praying we can fix it someday soon" |
| 22:17:45 | GodEater_ | Radish: you just sync as you always do, and get Rockbox to build it's own database on the DAP |
| 22:17:51 | Radish | pretty cool |
| 22:17:58 | GodEater_ | this will index all the stupidly named itunes files |
| 22:18:03 | Radish | could you recommend me a theme then? :) |
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| 22:18:19 | GodEater_ | Pen and Paper is one of my faves |
| 22:18:21 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 22:18:35 | GodEater_ | but I'm currently using one called GlowX or something |
| 22:18:37 | GodEater_ | let me check |
| 22:18:54 | Radish | do I need to go into disk mode to install them? |
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| 22:19:10 | GodEater_ | yep |
| 22:19:15 | GodEater_ | you either do it manually |
| 22:19:22 | GodEater_ | by unzipping them to the iPod drive |
| 22:19:28 | GodEater_ | or use RockboxUtility to do it |
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| 22:19:40 | GodEater_ | but either way, your ipod needs to be attached to your PC, and therefore in disk mode |
| 22:19:54 | Radish | ok :) |
| 22:19:55 | GodEater_ | "Theme X Glow" btw |
| 22:19:58 | GodEater_ | I was close |
| 22:20:04 | Radish | oh cool rockbox automatically went into disk mode |
| 22:20:31 | GodEater_ | and automatically leaves it again when you unmount... |
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| 22:20:55 | Radish | awesome |
| 22:21:15 | Radish | thanks for the help guys, my ipod is 100% cooler now |
| 22:21:49 | GodEater_ | Radish: please read the manual now :) |
| 22:22:00 | Radish | will do |
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| 22:30:10 | Radish | hey I can hear the hd whurr when I use rockbox |
| 22:30:13 | Radish | but not when I use the built in sw |
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| 22:35:00 | petur | Radish: enable dircache |
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| 22:37:55 | petur | wot, no MOOO today? :) |
| 22:38:27 | Radish | I have an embarrasing question |
| 22:38:37 | Radish | how the [-] do I get out of metronome :p |
| 22:39:21 | Radish | got it |
| 22:39:24 | Radish | that wasn't very obvious |
| 22:39:37 | Llorean | The manual doesn't tell how for that plugin? |
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| 22:39:57 | der-onkel | Hi |
| 22:40:41 | der-onkel | I've a problem with the current svn Version an the iPod 4thG Color |
| 22:41:06 | der-onkel | I get an 40001350 each time i played a 192kbs File |
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| 22:42:22 | Bagder | man alsa is... painful |
| 22:42:43 | pixelma | der-onkel: when did you last update your bootloader? |
| 22:43:10 | der-onkel | Ok long time ago |
| 22:43:44 | der-onkel | I will read the doc for update bootloader |
| 22:43:58 | pixelma | you probably need to update it, the manual's installing the bootloader instructions apply to updating it too |
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| 22:44:59 | eigma | amiconn: did you just /nick ghost? |
| 22:45:02 | eigma | */ns |
| 22:46:01 | amiconn | I now have that in my command profile, so it's auto-executed when my connection drops and reestablishes (forced once per day by my provider) |
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| 22:46:12 | eigma | ah, I see |
| 22:46:28 | eigma | I wasn't sure what the "Nick collision from services." quit message meant - I guess that answer it |
| 22:47:12 | ze | the server (usually) auto-ghosts (and auto-idents) if you provide your nickserv password as the server password on connection |
| 22:47:21 | eigma | interesting! |
| 22:47:25 | Radish | "Data abort at 4000130C" |
| 22:47:56 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
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| 22:48:12 | webguest67 | How long does it take to build a DB? |
| 22:48:26 | pixelma | der-onkel: and in case you find a rockbox.ipod in the root of your player you should delete it as it is now expected to be inside the .rockbox folder, and it comes this way in the zip |
| 22:48:38 | pixelma | Radish: you have a 30GB Ipod? |
| 22:48:40 | Radish | yes |
| 22:48:44 | * | ender` yawns |
| 22:49:06 | pixelma | maybe you accidentally installed the 60/80GB Ipod build |
| 22:49:18 | Radish | I can't get out of this |
| 22:49:20 | Radish | help :( |
| 22:49:41 | webguest67 | How long does it take to build a database with songs from Itunes ( less than 500) |
| 22:49:47 | Radish | it's definately the 30gb build |
| 22:49:49 | pixelma | Radish: the usual reset button combo will work |
| 22:49:55 | Radish | menu and select? |
| 22:49:57 | Radish | that doesn't work |
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| 22:50:09 | Radish | oh it does now |
| 22:50:26 | |Marco| | webguest67: depends on the cpu/load and memory |
| 22:50:28 | Radish | how does the recording thing work? does the ipod have a mic? |
| 22:50:37 | Bagder | darn, no 3gp video player that groks the audio on my debian box... |
| 22:51:26 | Thundercloud | Bagder: Um |
| 22:51:27 | Thundercloud | mplayer? |
| 22:51:37 | Bagder | nope |
| 22:51:40 | Thundercloud | Works here |
| 22:51:41 | Bagder | Cannot find codec 'amr_nb' in libavcodec... |
| 22:51:58 | Bagder | maybe my phone uses a silly codec |
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| 22:52:34 | Bagder | hm, or maybe I can do the win32 codec dance |
| 22:53:05 | Thundercloud | Bagder: you got www.debian-multimedia.org in your apt sources? |
| 22:53:08 | amiconn | amr is a standard audio codec for 3gp |
| 22:53:14 | Bagder | Thundercloud: nope |
| 22:53:22 | Thundercloud | Do it |
| 22:53:23 | Radish | ok, I downloaded a theme and it looked pretty cool in the screenshot, but on my pod I just get the background of the theme and plain white text |
| 22:53:26 | Bagder | amiconn: even more odd then... |
| 22:53:32 | Thundercloud | It solves every media problem Debian has |
| 22:53:41 | Bagder | I never had one before |
| 22:54:03 | amiconn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3gp |
| 22:54:21 | Bagder | it doesn't really matter to me if its standard or not |
| 22:54:44 | linuxstb_ | Radish: A lot of themes require patched builds - which theme did you try (and where from)? |
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| 22:55:07 | Radish | it was black glass something or other |
| 22:55:30 | Soap | Radish, that is because a few months ago the WPS (while playing screen) parsing code got a little more strict, and so now broken themes aren't displayed, but rather the default theme is. Either you are using a theme which requires a custom build, or you are using a theme which needs updated. |
| 22:56:00 | linuxstb_ | Radish: That requires patches - the download site you got it from should have mentioned that fact.. |
| 22:56:07 | Soap | blackglass doesn't require a custom build. jblackglass does. blackglass AA does. Specifics matter. |
| 22:56:36 | * | linuxstb_ lets Soap continue |
| 22:57:30 | Radish | oops, it's the AA one |
| 22:57:51 | Thundercloud | Bagder: Seriously, debian-multimedia.org solves everything |
| 22:57:55 | der-onkel | pixelma Thanks it seems to work |
| 22:58:13 | Bagder | I guess I'll try that |
| 22:58:33 | pixelma | der-onkel: nice, you're welcome |
| 22:59:38 | amiconn | Hmm, looks like putting the manifest into our *patcher.exes in order to make them put an uac request on windows isn't really difficult |
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| 23:00:06 | amiconn | windows vista, that is |
| 23:00:12 | * | Bagder welcomes eigma as committer #56 |
| 23:01:02 | eigma | awwwww *tear* |
| 23:01:37 | n1s | welcome! :-) |
| 23:01:45 | * | bluebrother waves welcome |
| 23:01:49 | petur | \o/ |
| 23:02:08 | eigma | thanks everyone :) |
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| 23:06:14 | Bagder | ah, sound... :-) |
| 23:06:24 | Bagder | Thundercloud: thanks! |
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| 23:06:42 | pixelma | huh, why is the png that big? *me goes checking* |
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| 23:11:29 | Thundercloud | Bagder: :) |
| 23:16:25 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/flip-a-coin.3gp |
| 23:16:27 | XavierGr_ | hmm quite strange that there is a saperate alarm.c file for the alarm while the set time/date function is on settings_menu.c |
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| 23:17:12 | XavierGr_ | it would be better to unify those, not to mention that the set time/date screen is better that the alarm screen |
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| 23:19:07 | amiconn | Any vista user around who could test an updated ipodpatcher whether it triggers an uac request? |
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| 23:20:16 | Redbreva | sure... |
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| 23:21:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: How do you embed the manifest? |
| 23:22:41 | amiconn | http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/ipodpatcher.exe |
| 23:22:54 | rasher | Bagder: boo non-free file formats |
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| 23:23:00 | amiconn | This is a 'naked' ipodpatcher, i.e. without embedded bootloaders |
| 23:23:18 | Bagder | rasher: stupid phone, yes but my mencoder couldn't transcode it with sound |
| 23:23:31 | amiconn | linuxstb: It's a very simple thing needing an .rc file and windres, then including it for linking |
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| 23:25:01 | somelittlehobo | anybody have a solution to an ipod not turning on or showing up when connected to a PC? |
| 23:25:11 | * | dionoea submitted a gzip port to the tracker |
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| 23:25:44 | linuxstb | somelittlehobo: charge, hold MENU+SELECT, repeat... |
| 23:25:59 | amiconn | Maybe I'll be able to test myself |
| 23:26:02 | somelittlehobo | how long of a charge? |
| 23:26:09 | * | amiconn fires up VPN + RDP |
| 23:26:10 | somelittlehobo | its been plugged into my PC for about 2 hrs |
| 23:26:14 | Redbreva | amiconn: Both the original and the one linked to above give the same UAC dialog box |
| 23:26:25 | linuxstb | somelittlehobo: Do you have an AC charger? |
| 23:26:37 | somelittlehobo | i do, but i think my brother took it to college |
| 23:26:41 | amiconn | YOu get an uac dialog without the embedded manifest? Interesting... |
| 23:27:56 | linuxstb | somelittlehobo: Try holding MENU+SELECT for 30 seconds. |
| 23:28:03 | somelittlehobo | alright |
| 23:28:44 | Redbreva | yes, the only difference is the original actualy asks to patch, the 2nd version detects and exits (I think - it's a bit quick on the screen) |
| 23:29:30 | somelittlehobo | nope that didnt work linuxstb |
| 23:29:39 | amiconn | The 2nd can't ask to patch because there are no embedded bootloaders |
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| 23:30:08 | Redbreva | yes, just confirming that I ran to two different versions ;-) |
| 23:30:20 | Redbreva | s/to/two ! |
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| 23:31:20 | bughunter2 | hey guys, i have this ipod 80gb here (5.5g?) and when doing ipodpatcher it says it can't find the ipod |
| 23:31:48 | bughunter2 | and it says the partition info is incorrect if i manually specify the correct device |
| 23:32:04 | linuxstb | What does your partition table look like? |
| 23:32:07 | bughunter2 | and i just restored the whole device using iTunes so it must be correct, however when i run fdisk i only see ONE partition |
| 23:32:15 | bughunter2 | one big partition |
| 23:32:28 | linuxstb | Does the Apple firmware start correctly? |
| 23:32:34 | bughunter2 | yes |
| 23:32:47 | bughunter2 | i can use the ipod in itunes |
| 23:32:49 | bughunter2 | no problems |
| 23:33:10 | linuxstb | Can you copy and paste the output of ipodpatcher (when you specify the device) to http://pastebin.ca ? |
| 23:33:19 | bughunter2 | well it isn't that big |
| 23:33:27 | bughunter2 | it just says the ipod partition layout is incorrect |
| 23:33:29 | bughunter2 | no info |
| 23:33:52 | Thundercloud | bughunter2: When did you get it? |
| 23:33:57 | bughunter2 | today |
| 23:34:03 | Thundercloud | One of the new ones? |
| 23:34:06 | bughunter2 | i just received the ipod today |
| 23:34:09 | bughunter2 | i don't know what type |
| 23:34:14 | bughunter2 | it ends with Y5N (the serial) |
| 23:34:15 | Thundercloud | iPod Classic? |
| 23:34:19 | bughunter2 | yes |
| 23:34:23 | Thundercloud | Not supported |
| 23:34:26 | bughunter2 | ouch? |
| 23:34:38 | bughunter2 | how comes? :( |
| 23:34:41 | Thundercloud | It's only been released about a week or two |
| 23:34:49 | bughunter2 | hmm |
| 23:34:54 | Thundercloud | Give the devs a chance. |
| 23:34:56 | bughunter2 | what's so different on it ? |
| 23:35:00 | Thundercloud | For the record, the iPod Class is 6G |
| 23:35:01 | linuxstb | Everything... |
| 23:35:05 | Thundercloud | bughunter2: Probably everything |
| 23:35:14 | bughunter2 | if (!silent) fprintf(stderr,"[ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod\n"); |
| 23:35:22 | bughunter2 | i see this code using google |
| 23:35:28 | bughunter2 | and ((ipod->pinfo[1].type != 0xb) && (ipod->pinfo[1].type != 0xc) && |
| 23:35:34 | bughunter2 | that's the IF statement |
| 23:35:35 | Thundercloud | It obviously uses a completely different format. |
| 23:35:39 | Thundercloud | Jobs loves to try and foil us. |
| 23:35:40 | linuxstb | bughunter2: I know, I wrote it... |
| 23:35:42 | bughunter2 | so the second partition must be of type 0xc or 0xb |
| 23:35:53 | bughunter2 | well.. |
| 23:35:56 | bughunter2 | hmm |
| 23:35:59 | bughunter2 | how can ihelp you guys? |
| 23:36:09 | somelittlehobo | is it possible for Rockbox to brick an ipod? or is there atleast some way to fix it? |
| 23:36:11 | bughunter2 | shall i dump "fdisks" output of the "p" command? |
| 23:36:16 | linuxstb | bughunter2: http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/NewPort |
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| 23:36:46 | bughunter2 | i'm not ripping my ipod apart, neither am i going to write code |
| 23:37:36 | linuxstb | somelittlehobo: No, the MENU+SELECT _always_ works eventually. Either your ipod's battery is completely flat, or you're not pressing those buttons correctly. (or something silly like you have the hold switch on...) |
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| 23:37:55 | linuxstb | bughunter2: Someone will need to, and afaik, no-one is currently working on it. |
| 23:38:08 | bughunter2 | too bad |
| 23:38:13 | Thundercloud | Too bad for you then |
| 23:38:17 | bughunter2 | yep |
| 23:38:27 | somelittlehobo | haha, im not a complete idiot :P hold is off and ive definately pushed the buttons correctly for a long enough time i guess ill just let it charge a few more hours ans see how it goes |
| 23:38:29 | bughunter2 | ipodlinux didn't work either because the installer doesn't support my ipod yet |
| 23:38:38 | bughunter2 | probably all boils down to the partition stuff |
| 23:38:42 | Thundercloud | And probably won't for a while longer as well. |
| 23:38:57 | bughunter2 | heh |
| 23:39:32 | linuxstb | bughunter2: The installer is the easy part - neither Rockbox or IPL will run on the new ipods as a) the firmware is encrypted; b) The hardware is completely different. It's like trying to install Windows on your ipod... |
| 23:39:43 | bughunter2 | : |
| 23:39:44 | bughunter2 | :P |
| 23:40:04 | bughunter2 | linuxstb, would it be possible if i'd just setup some partition table and make sure that partition 2 is always of type 0xb |
| 23:40:21 | delYsid | nope :-) |
| 23:40:24 | bughunter2 | to make ipodpatcher work? |
| 23:40:27 | bughunter2 | well, why not? |
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| 23:42:18 | dionoea | bughunter2: making ipodpatcher work without having code to run for that target (or even knowing how to make code run on the target) doesn't sound very usefull. |
| 23:42:24 | rasher | bughunter2: It's fundamentally different hardware. Like trying to install Linux on your SNES. |
| 23:42:44 | bughunter2 | hmm? no ARM anymore? |
| 23:43:01 | BigBambi | It isn't just about that |
| 23:43:15 | rasher | It's still ARM, but that's about it, and that doesn't get you far. |
| 23:43:26 | bughunter2 | what type is my ipod now btw? |
| 23:43:32 | bughunter2 | 5.5g ? 6g? 1000g? |
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| 23:43:40 | BigBambi | It's like pouring water in your fridge and wondering why you don't get tea. They both run on electricity but that is it |
| 23:43:47 | dionoea | :) |
| 23:44:03 | Thundercloud | 6g |
| 23:44:07 | bughunter2 | yes but because of what parts? encryption stuff? |
| 23:44:19 | bughunter2 | the way the device boots? |
| 23:44:23 | bughunter2 | what is the problem |
| 23:44:27 | dionoea | encryption stuff + brand new hardware |
| 23:44:28 | bughunter2 | or does nobody know yet |
| 23:44:30 | bughunter2 | ok |
| 23:44:30 | Thundercloud | Well if we knew that we'd be one step forward. |
| 23:44:38 | Rudy4Pez | Did I just miss an awesome analogy about 5g and 6g iPod? :) |
| 23:44:39 | BigBambi | I refer you to linuxstb's answer about ten lines ago |
| 23:44:46 | bughunter2 | why is Apple doing this, it's silly |
| 23:44:50 | dionoea | Rudy4Pez: exactly :) |
| 23:44:50 | * | BigBambi bows |
| 23:44:56 | Rudy4Pez | Hahaha, nice. |
| 23:45:05 | bughunter2 | the'd make more money if they'd support the community a bit, so why not? |
| 23:45:13 | Thundercloud | bughunter2: Not really. |
| 23:45:23 | bughunter2 | they're afraid some evil company is going to take away your guys source code and say "we start a new company on top of this" or wtf |
| 23:45:30 | Thundercloud | The amount of money they'd gain from people who wanted to run rockbox on their ipods is negligible compared to their overall revenue. |
| 23:45:45 | bughunter2 | so why don't they want users to run rockbox/iPL |
| 23:45:54 | bughunter2 | just to make it harder for us? for kicks? |
| 23:45:55 | Thundercloud | bughunter2: Read the GPL please, a company can't steal Rockbox's code. |
| 23:46:11 | bughunter2 | yes i know, but they can however use it |
| 23:46:15 | Thundercloud | bughunter2: What possible reason could there be? |
| 23:46:17 | bughunter2 | i didn't mean real "stealing" |
| 23:46:17 | Thundercloud | Think about it |
| 23:46:18 | Thundercloud | iTunes |
| 23:46:27 | bughunter2 | DRM ? |
| 23:46:32 | Thundercloud | Not necessarily DRM |
| 23:46:35 | Thundercloud | Just iTunes in general. |
| 23:46:40 | bughunter2 | they want users to use iTunes? |
| 23:46:45 | Thundercloud | Definitely. |
| 23:46:47 | bughunter2 | why for god sake, it's a slow crappy program |
| 23:46:55 | bughunter2 | it only looks nice |
| 23:46:57 | Thundercloud | But it's their slow crappy program |
| 23:47:02 | Thundercloud | With a fully integrated store |
| 23:47:06 | Thundercloud | Enticing people to spend more money. |
| 23:47:07 | bughunter2 | yep |
| 23:47:11 | rasher | bughunter2: I doubt they care about ipl or Rockbox. They care about their precious DRM stuff. This is probably the reason for the encryption. Picking new hardware is just how things go - nothing particularly nefarious about that. |
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| 23:47:27 | bughunter2 | yeah immediately after i opened it asked me to enter my country so it could take me to the store, i mean wtf! |
| 23:47:29 | Thundercloud | rasher: Oh come on, Apple's starting to get better wrt. DRM, you can get non-DRMed songs off iTunes now. |
| 23:47:32 | bughunter2 | like "buy it you slave" |
| 23:47:36 | Thundercloud | bughunter2: :D |
| 23:47:52 | Thundercloud | Which is why I find it so funny the gtkpod team have already cracked apple's new encryption |
| 23:48:00 | bughunter2 | :P |
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| 23:48:08 | Thundercloud | Now all we need is for them to put it into libgpod |
| 23:48:19 | bughunter2 | i mean i'd like to help, but i want to be able to use my iPod :P |
| 23:48:23 | rasher | Thundercloud: I'm not really impressed by that. I've been able to buy non-DRM (but watermarked) mp3s for years from my "local" web-store. |
| 23:48:24 | Thundercloud | And the ipod nano i'm getting free with the macbook i'm buying will work like a charm on amarok :D |
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| 23:48:35 | Thundercloud | rasher: Heh, "local" |
| 23:48:44 | rasher | Anyway, offtopic.. |
| 23:48:48 | Thundercloud | Indeed offtopic |
| 23:48:54 | Rudy4Pez | So I'm pretty sure I can answer my own question but heck, I'll just throw it out there... Is there any way to change your username on the Rockbox forums? |
| 23:48:55 | Thundercloud | But one last point though, iTunes is used by millions of people. |
| 23:49:05 | Thundercloud | Millions of people with access to non-DRMed tunes is a huge step forward. |
| 23:49:15 | Thundercloud | Now we just have to educate them as to why it's worth the extra $.30 a song |
| 23:49:22 | linuxstb | Yes, a huge step forward to 1982... |
| 23:49:23 | bughunter2 | heh |
| 23:49:30 | bughunter2 | what happened back in 1982 |
| 23:49:32 | Thundercloud | linuxstb: I'm not denying that :) |
| 23:49:42 | Thundercloud | I personally just buy CDs and rip 'em to FLAC |
| 23:49:46 | dionoea | Rudy4Pez: you can change the displayed name (not the one you use to login, but the one printed on the pages) |
| 23:49:54 | bughunter2 | offtopic, what's so good about FLAC? |
| 23:49:54 | linuxstb | bughunter2: I'm guessing that's around the time CDs were launched. |
| 23:50:01 | bughunter2 | oh yes you're right |
| 23:50:04 | dionoea | Rudy4Pez: in Profile->Modify profile->Account related settings |
| 23:50:11 | Thundercloud | See, I managed to convince even my DAD that DRM is wrong |
| 23:50:21 | Rudy4Pez | Gotcha! |
| 23:50:21 | Thundercloud | And my dad can barely use a computer. |
| 23:50:58 | bughunter2 | man im somewhat dissapointed, i wanted to run linux/rockbox :) |
| 23:51:04 | bughunter2 | ohwell |
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| 23:51:20 | bughunter2 | at least i have this 80gb's left to fill up :P |
| 23:51:26 | Thundercloud | :P |
| 23:51:34 | bughunter2 | and my older iriver h340se's battery stopped working correctly :( |
| 23:51:34 | Thundercloud | I have a 4GB flash player, suits me fine. |
| 23:51:38 | bughunter2 | that's why i had to buy the ipod |
| 23:51:44 | bughunter2 | "had to" :P |
| 23:51:49 | Thundercloud | Out of my 20GB of music I only really listen to 3GB of it or so. |
| 23:52:06 | bughunter2 | i like to have an identical copy of my music which i have on my PC on my player |
| 23:52:12 | bughunter2 | and a few backups |
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| 23:52:26 | bughunter2 | the battery of the iriver is really crappy for some reason, i had like 3 of those h340se thingies |
| 23:52:43 | Thundercloud | bughunter2: I used to be like that, then I decided to ditch the bricks and get with the flash :) Used to run rockbox on an iAudio X5. Still have it. |
| 23:53:04 | bughunter2 | fully charged it, and sometimes it thinks that it's completely empty, so it shuts down the device :( |
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| 23:53:54 | Isolinear | Now... If only I could do the same with XBScene... lol |
| 23:54:57 | bughunter2 | but hey, if the community of iPL/rockbox is so small, why the heck care in the first place about them? (from Apple's pov) |
| 23:55:35 | rasher | bughunter2: This is still offtopic... |
| 23:55:38 | preglow | you can't really compare the ipl and rockbox communities, if you ask me |
| 23:56:09 | bughunter2 | hmm, why is that? rasher: sorry i'm gone soon..;) |
| 23:56:09 | preglow | ipl seems dead to me anyway |
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| 23:56:14 | bughunter2 | it is? |
| 23:56:17 | Radish | umm help I think I have broken my ipod |
| 23:56:24 | Radish | it was working fine with rockbox |
| 23:56:30 | Radish | but I went to turn it on, and it just won't switch on |
| 23:56:36 | preglow | last commit seems to be 17th of may... |
| 23:56:43 | bughunter2 | '06 ? |
| 23:56:45 | bughunter2 | :P |
| 23:56:52 | preglow | 07, probably |
| 23:56:55 | preglow | but still |
| 23:57:04 | Radish | man I am so worried |
| 23:57:10 | preglow | Radish: don't be |
| 23:57:10 | linuxstb | preglow: I think that's just because their svn server is down - I've heard talk of moving to a new one. |
| 23:57:18 | preglow | linuxstb: is that so |
| 23:57:36 | bughunter2 | yes they state "Note: SVN is currently down. To get the latest source code please read here." |
| 23:57:37 | pixelma | rockbox commits today: 30 |
| 23:57:38 | preglow | Radish: nothing happens when you try to switch it on? |
| 23:57:42 | Radish | nothing at all |
| 23:57:50 | Isolinear | Hold switch? lol |
| 23:57:51 | preglow | Radish: ok, press menu and select at the same time, and hold them |
| 23:58:00 | preglow | at least ten seconds, see if something happens |
| 23:58:07 | preglow | if not, try recharging |
| 23:58:11 | Radish | yes I see an apple |
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| 23:58:16 | Radish | and rockbox has booted |
| 23:58:19 | Radish | thanks so much *relief!* |
| 23:58:28 | linuxstb | Also, IPL development seems to be very fragmented (in terms of apps) - not everything seems to happen in the main svn. |
| 23:58:31 | Radish | cya |
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| 23:58:53 | bughunter2 | maybe they're trying to use SVN as if it's git |
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