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00:01:57 | bughunter2 | so.. can i (try to) help you guys? |
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00:02:23 | linuxstb | bughunter2: Only by cracking the encryption... |
00:02:37 | Isolinear | And making me a sandwich. |
00:02:37 | bughunter2 | that costs way too much time for me man, can't afford it |
00:02:43 | bughunter2 | will do that isolinear |
00:02:52 | Isolinear | ;) |
00:02:58 | bughunter2 | *sends a sandwich over firewire* |
00:03:11 | BigBambi | bughunter2: yet you expect someone else too spend their spare time doing it who doesn't even own one? |
00:03:16 | bughunter2 | ;) |
00:03:21 | bughunter2 | you're the devs :P |
00:03:22 | linuxstb | Speaking of which, do the new ipods support firewire? |
00:03:23 | bughunter2 | hehe nah |
00:03:30 | bughunter2 | think so, not sure |
00:03:54 | bughunter2 | btw i don't even know if i have enough reversing skills to crack that encryption ;) |
00:04:36 | bughunter2 | linuxstb, from what i read on wikipedia: "USB (FireWire for charging only)" |
00:04:51 | BigBambi | people are only devs to do what they want to do, it isn't a service or company or whatever |
00:05:08 | bughunter2 | BigBambi i know, and i wasn't expecting anything |
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00:11:57 | bughunter2 | btw linuxstb, do you think other companies like Cowon/iRiver also going to try to pull out more tricks to prevent users from installing rockbox? |
00:12:44 | linuxstb | afaik, they already do |
00:12:59 | bughunter2 | aww |
00:14:05 | bughunter2 | well thanks to you anyways |
00:14:12 | bughunter2 | gtg ;) bye |
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00:15:26 | Bagder | tomal strikes back! |
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00:17:41 | Isolinear | Soooo... |
00:18:09 | Isolinear | It's been a while since I've been in here... How's the iPod 5G battery life doing these days? :) |
00:18:57 | Llorean | Isolinear: You may notice there's no mention in the news or MajorChanges of the problem with it being fixed. |
00:19:25 | Isolinear | I did notice that. I assumed that meant that there hasn't been any progress... |
00:19:45 | Llorean | It means the problem has not been fixed. |
00:19:54 | n1s | Bagder: where? |
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00:21:58 | petur | n1s: recent commit? |
00:22:40 | * | n1s should probably get glasses, thanks petur :-) |
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00:24:53 | DataGhost | eh. to anyone with server access |
00:25:03 | DataGhost | 2 of the 3 download.rockbox.org servers appear to be broken, at least for ipod_fw.exe |
00:25:27 | DataGhost | −−00:21:54−− http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/ipod/ARCHIVE/ipod_fw.exe |
00:25:27 | DataGhost | Resolving download.rockbox.org... 64.72.118.218, 80.87.134.17, 88.191.250.9 |
00:25:35 | DataGhost | only the first IP does not return 404 |
00:26:39 | linuxstb | We should probably just delete ipod_fw.exe now |
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00:30:41 | linuxstb | DataGhost: ipod_fw.exe is just a copy of IPL's make_fw.exe - and IIRC, it doesn't work correctly with the 5.5gs |
00:30:58 | linuxstb | (it's been replaced by ipodpatcher) |
00:30:59 | DataGhost | oh wait yes |
00:31:11 | DataGhost | I was confused with ipodpatcher in the iPL channel. I don't really know why that's still being used anyway. |
00:31:24 | DataGhost | I guess it's hosted at iPL somewhere. I'll look into it then. |
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00:31:40 | DataGhost | anyway, this might not be the only non-synchronized file in your mirrors, you might want to check that |
00:32:08 | linuxstb | Bagder would be the person to check (if he's still awake...) |
00:32:08 | DataGhost | it's especially annoying for windows users, windows caches dns requests and the chance of getting a 'bad' mirror is 2/3 (for ipod_fw.exe anyway) |
00:32:56 | linuxstb | I think the IPL wiki still links to ipod_fw.exe - so presumably there's no official binary for make_fw.exe anywhere. |
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00:42:48 | amiconn | hmmm... |
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00:48:40 | Neonestic | Hello |
00:48:50 | |Marco| | peek a boo :) |
00:49:20 | Neonestic | Can anyone solve my problem? Amarok doesn't detect my iPod. |
00:49:57 | |Marco| | hum, I think I remember reading something about the new series iPod's |
00:50:11 | |Marco| | that they were locked off totaly |
00:50:24 | Neonestic | Is there a way to like, force add songs? |
00:50:30 | Soap | |Marco| while your nick with the |s maybe cute, cuddly, and (if I dare say it, downright sexy) it makes tab-completion a real pain in the keister |
00:51:00 | |Marco| | hrm.. |
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00:51:19 | amiconn | hmpf |
00:51:21 | marcosource | ;) |
00:51:30 | Soap | Neonestic, I'm going to assume you have a Rockboxed iPod? If so may I inquire about the details of your situation? |
00:51:39 | Neonestic | Ok |
00:51:50 | amiconn | Marking an app as requireAdministrator for Vista causes a new window to pop up when running it |
00:52:05 | amiconn | This is not avoidable... |
00:52:08 | * | preglow kicks vista in the teeth |
00:52:09 | Thundercloud | Doesn't a rockboxed ipod just interface through amarok like a Generic Audio Device |
00:52:31 | linuxstb | You mean it runs in a new console window? |
00:52:35 | Neonestic | Its a 5G 30GB video, im running a linux pc (kubuntu) and Amarok is my wusic player and also was wy ipod updater |
00:53:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: Yes, and that new window closes immediately when ipodpatcher exits |
00:53:07 | Neonestic | But now, after getting rockbox' amarok doesn't detect it but my pc does. |
00:53:07 | Soap | It can, Thundercloud, if you tell Amorak you are using a UMS device, or you can build the iTunes database if you wish to make your songs available in both firmwares. |
00:53:19 | Thundercloud | There's the answer then |
00:53:44 | amiconn | Very unhelpful if you want to see the output |
00:53:47 | linuxstb | amiconn: That should be OK when the bootloaders are embedded though - ipodpatcher prompts the user to press ENTER before it exits. |
00:54:08 | linuxstb | Or maybe you could enable that prompt for all windows builds. |
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00:54:27 | Neonestic | Ah |
00:54:50 | amiconn | The recommendation is to always mark commandline programs 'asInvoker', and then check within the executable whether administrative rights are available |
00:55:31 | amiconn | ...and print info about admin rights being required when they're not available |
00:56:02 | Neonestic | Excellent, works. Thank you. |
00:56:04 | amiconn | Running it from an elevated command prompt should stop uac requests even without a manifest in the .exe |
00:56:14 | amiconn | http://blogs.msdn.com/vistacompatteam/archive/2006/10/05/Command-line-application-with-manifest-asInvoker.aspx |
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00:58:33 | amiconn | Bah, and the function to check whether admin rights are available is different between win2000 and winxp/vista |
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01:12:17 | maxkelley | hmm |
01:16:07 | Isolinear | Hey, anyone from England? |
01:17:00 | maxkelley | did we get the E200R working with OF? |
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01:17:32 | Isolinear | I have a beans-on-toast question... |
01:17:58 | Isolinear | Does the toast get buttered before applying the beans or should it be dry? |
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01:18:41 | scorche | Isolinear: this is an ontopic channel |
01:18:53 | Isolinear | Yeah. |
01:18:59 | Isolinear | And nobody was talking at the moment. |
01:19:05 | oranges2 | The Canadian dollar is now worth as much as the US dollar :{ |
01:19:25 | scorche | do the guidelines mention that you can be offtopic when no one is talking? |
01:21:16 | Isolinear | *sigh* |
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01:21:43 | maxkelley | oh, scorche.. |
01:21:48 | scorche | yes? |
01:21:54 | maxkelley | nothing :) |
01:22:26 | maxkelley | oh, whoops, I have to do homework. |
01:22:32 | Isolinear | So if I took the dead hd out of my Archos Jukebox Studio 20... |
01:22:39 | Isolinear | And removed the platter... |
01:22:49 | Isolinear | Could I then use the metal casing to heat up the beans? |
01:23:14 | maxkelley | absolutely. |
01:23:19 | scorche | Isolinear: did you miss what i said? |
01:23:24 | maxkelley | and then you could server it all on the platter. |
01:23:29 | maxkelley | *serve. |
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01:24:11 | Nimdae | you know, on the ipod classic, i don't buy that the apple firmware is on a hidden partition on the drive |
01:24:48 | Nimdae | on the nano 3g, what is that big chip next to the cpu with the non-apple logo? |
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01:28:41 | ondicy | hello,can anybody help me? actually i am not sure if you see my words:) |
01:28:51 | Nimdae | what's up? |
01:29:04 | linuxstb | Nimdae: Probably the 32MB of RAM. |
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01:29:44 | Nimdae | well, what's interesting is one of the numbers has 256 at the end, HYE18M256, and there is apparently another chip out there with HYE18M512 on it |
01:30:23 | linuxstb | Nimdae: Where else would the 90MB firmware image go if it wasn't onto the hard disk? |
01:30:30 | ondicy | i have troubles with installation rockbox on sansa e250r |
01:30:45 | linuxstb | 256 probably mean 256Mbit (32MB) and 512 will be 64MB. |
01:30:48 | Nimdae | i dunno, i'm just speculating |
01:30:54 | Nimdae | ah, i see |
01:31:25 | scorche | ondicy: what troubles are you having? |
01:31:30 | linuxstb | ondicy: That's not surprising... What step are you having problems with? |
01:33:24 | ondicy | i followed all instructions in wiki, but final step went wrong, during booting it writes that sansa cannot find 2 files - rockbox.mi4 and rockbox.e200 |
01:34:07 | linuxstb | Sounds like you didn't install Rockbox itself correctly - i.e. the rockbox.zip file |
01:34:48 | ondicy | no, i did it, i have folder .rockbox on sansa drive |
01:34:52 | scorche | nor the mi4 that the instructions tell you to get |
01:35:32 | linuxstb | ondicy: Do you have a rockbox.mi4 file inside that .rockbox folder? |
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01:37:10 | ondicy | that is problem, i dont see sansa device |
01:38:19 | * | linuxstb leaves this to someone who owns a sansa and goes to bed |
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01:39:06 | ondicy | with plugged usb cabel there are another error message during booting, but too quick to read them... |
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01:52:42 | linuxstb_ | ondicy: Sounds like you need to enter recovery mode and restore the original Sansa firmware - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
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02:28:06 | ryanpg | hi all... trying to unbrick a nano on linux |
02:28:27 | ryanpg | have restored the mbr and tried writing the firmware |
02:29:22 | ryanpg | but ipodpatcher seems not to be satisfied... also booting the nano just produces a screen with www.apple.com/support/ipod |
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02:30:28 | Lars_G | what podcast manager do you guys use? |
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02:30:38 | krazykit | ryanpg, following the instructions on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore ? |
02:31:13 | ryanpg | krazykit, yep a couple times |
02:31:43 | krazykit | so you've successfully dd'd the MBR to the device, then unplugged and replugged? |
02:31:55 | ryanpg | yep |
02:32:10 | krazykit | before dd'ing the firmware? |
02:32:16 | ryanpg | yep |
02:33:08 | krazykit | and you formatted the 2nd partition as fat32? |
02:33:39 | krazykit | just making sure, you know. |
02:34:08 | ryanpg | the partition table seems to be fine: |
02:34:09 | ryanpg | Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
02:34:09 | ryanpg | /dev/sdb1 * 1 10 80293+ 0 Empty |
02:34:09 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK ryanpg |
02:34:09 | ryanpg | /dev/sdb2 1 248 1992028+ b W95 FAT32 |
02:34:43 | krazykit | that looks right, as far as i can tell |
02:35:12 | krazykit | the nano appears to have two different firmware revisions |
02:35:18 | krazykit | have your tried both? |
02:35:30 | ryanpg | yep |
02:35:44 | ryanpg | both fail with [ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod |
02:36:04 | krazykit | no access to windows or a mac, huh :-/ |
02:36:15 | ryanpg | nope |
02:36:22 | ryanpg | probably tomorrow |
02:36:42 | ryanpg | so I'll just give up for now... though I think I've truly bricked this thing :) |
02:36:46 | krazykit | strange that it's not working though. that's probably your best bet, unfortunately |
02:36:58 | ryanpg | thanks for the help anyway :) |
02:36:59 | krazykit | nah, it's not bricked til you've caught it on fire or something :P |
02:39:31 | ryanpg | heh |
02:39:54 | ryanpg | I think this output from ipodpatcher is the key to the mystery |
02:39:56 | ryanpg | [INFO] 0 63 160649 78.4 Empty (0x00) |
02:39:56 | ryanpg | [INFO] 1 160656 3984119 1866.9 W95 FAT32 (0x0b) |
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02:40:30 | ryanpg | the last hex should be (0x55) and (0xaa) respectively |
02:40:49 | ryanpg | this is a guess from reading ipodpatcher source |
02:40:57 | Llorean | No, they should be 0x00 and 0x0b. |
02:41:01 | ryanpg | oh |
02:41:05 | ryanpg | http://pastebin.ca/278705 |
02:41:12 | Llorean | 0x00 is for "Empty" and 0x0b is for "W95 FAT32" |
02:41:15 | ryanpg | file type 0 and b |
02:41:19 | ryanpg | got it |
02:41:49 | ryanpg | the source says one of the errors I'm getting is from checking to see if the boot sector is initialized |
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02:51:42 | ryanpg | hrm... ok there's an issue... sdb1 (set to Empty) is being mounted as vfat |
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02:53:16 | advcomp2019 | i have a small issue finally... rockbox will not update the database after adding a few songs |
02:53:33 | oranges2 | You have to restart after hitting "Update Now" |
02:53:43 | advcomp2019 | yea |
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02:57:48 | ryanpg | wtf |
02:59:01 | ryanpg | well thanks again all |
02:59:07 | ryanpg | we'll see what tomorrow brings |
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03:03:16 | JdGordon | would anyone have a rpoblem with adding a new onplay option under "playlist" to dirplay a folder to stop confusion about the auto-folder change funciton? |
03:04:20 | psycho_maniac | could you explain more JdGordon. |
03:06:21 | advcomp2019 | right now i have rockbox on my e280r that will not update the database after adding a few songs |
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03:13:30 | advcomp2019 | i got it fixed... it was something with the database.tmp or something like that name |
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03:28:49 | advcomp2019 | it is still not keeping the database |
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04:15:34 | sunalsorises | quick question, I downloaded a patch for my sansa and I'm not sure where to put it so it will work. |
04:17:08 | scorche | rockbox.org/wiki/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
04:18:46 | RudMan | sun: do you have a development environment setup and the source downloaded? |
04:19:37 | scorche | RudMan: since he is asking where to put the patch, i doubt it.. |
04:20:18 | sunalsorises | i have no idea what that is |
04:20:21 | sunalsorises | but i have the source code |
04:20:31 | scorche | sunalsorises: please see the link i gave you |
04:20:40 | sunalsorises | yeah i'm looking at it now, thanks |
04:20:48 | sunalsorises | but it's all new to me |
04:21:24 | advcomp2019 | did you know that aac files will not let you update the database right |
04:22:40 | sunalsorises | if that's directed at me I didn't know that but I don't have any aac files |
04:22:59 | advcomp2019 | this is on a sansa e280r |
04:23:03 | Llorean | advcomp2019: AAC files should work fine as long as their tags are compatible. |
04:24:35 | advcomp2019 | Llorean, what type of aacs will it allow |
04:25:00 | Llorean | As long as Rockbox can read the tags properly, they should be fine. So if the tags show up in the WPS. |
04:25:52 | sunalsorises | as long as they aren't copy protected, right? |
04:25:58 | advcomp2019 | these are m4a aac files if that makes a difference |
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04:26:09 | gunluva | Hello, all. |
04:26:30 | gunluva | How do I install rockbox on the C200? |
04:27:25 | scorche | gunluva: it isnt officially supported yet |
04:27:47 | gunluva | This morning, Badger and others told me it was. |
04:28:12 | gunluva | Well, they said it worked, anyways. |
04:28:27 | gunluva | "officially supported" wasn't used. |
04:28:58 | RudMan | I think the guy who is working on it got it working but the code has not yet been committed |
04:29:01 | gunluva | They gave me a bootloader, but It keeps telling me rockbox.mi4 wasn't detected. |
04:29:24 | scorche | yes...it works, but it isnt officially supported AFAIK...there is no install process in the wiki, no manual, front page doesnt say it is officially supported yet either |
04:29:41 | oranges2 | Thats probably why he's asking |
04:29:58 | gunluva | HOld on, I've got an idea. |
04:30:02 | gunluva | Brb. |
04:30:57 | gunluva | I got it running! |
04:31:04 | gunluva | That was easier than I thought. |
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04:33:11 | tictoc | eh-.-. hell of a way to find out it cant play mp4 |
04:33:46 | sunalsorises | i really have no idea what i'm doing, is anyone willing to help walk me through this? |
04:34:24 | scorche | sunalsorises: if you have issues, feel free to ask about them...but we are not going to hold your hand when it says what to do exactly in that page |
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04:35:34 | advcomp2019 | i still cant get the database to stay with m4a aac |
04:37:39 | RudMan | sun: I wanted to compile the source also. I followed the instructions on the wiki to the letter and it works just fine |
04:37:48 | advcomp2019 | i delete the m4a then the database stays |
04:38:42 | gunluva | Ooh. It would seem I have a promblem. |
04:38:57 | gunluva | My comp says USB device not recognized. |
04:39:21 | RudMan | rockbox does not have USB support. |
04:39:33 | gunluva | Uh oh. |
04:39:49 | gunluva | Wait, so how do I get music on it? |
04:40:02 | RudMan | boot to the original firmware and hook up the USB to it |
04:40:21 | gunluva | Oh. |
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04:41:47 | gunluva | *cough*Sorry. How? |
04:42:10 | sunalsorises | hold left while pressing the power button |
04:42:16 | RudMan | the manual is a good thing to read. while booting hold left button |
04:42:23 | sunalsorises | or connect usb while the player is off |
04:42:53 | gunluva | Terribly sorry. Thanks for the help. |
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04:43:49 | gunluva | The c200 rockbox can't play movies yet, right? |
04:44:03 | eigma | oh my, rockboxdev.sh doesn't build gdb for the target? |
04:44:10 | scorche | RudMan: there is no manual for the c200 yet |
04:44:27 | RudMan | ahhhhhh |
04:44:36 | RudMan | sorry about that...... |
04:44:44 | RudMan | he's truly on the bleeding edge |
04:45:58 | gunluva | Last question, then I'll stop bugging y'all :P. How does one make a theme? |
04:46:29 | scorche | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS |
04:46:38 | scorche | please search the wiki before asking questions.. |
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04:48:47 | gunluva | Kthx. Cya. |
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04:49:16 | advcomp2019 | i can manually play the m4a files, but when trying to make the database, the database will not build right |
04:49:31 | scorche | stop repeating yourself... |
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04:52:02 | tictoc | i got folders of mp4 files that wont play on my sansa |
04:52:05 | tictoc | whats up with that |
04:52:22 | Chronon | why should they play? |
04:52:58 | tictoc | why shouldnt they? |
04:53:04 | tictoc | the website says aac plays |
04:53:07 | scorche | because rockbox doesnt support them? |
04:53:16 | Chronon | Uh. AAC is an audio stream |
04:53:19 | scorche | m4a will, but not mp4 |
04:53:30 | tictoc | hum? |
04:53:50 | scorche | are you referring to an audio file or a video file? |
04:53:56 | tictoc | nero mp4 isnt supported ? |
04:53:58 | tictoc | audio |
04:54:15 | Chronon | oh. sorry, I was confused. |
04:54:18 | Llorean | scorche: mp4 is a container format, like ogg. m4a is just a renamed AAC mp4 |
04:54:30 | Chronon | It should play that fine if it only contains an AAC stream |
04:54:40 | Llorean | They also must be streamable |
04:54:46 | scorche | Llorean: oh, i know...i was just making assumptions as usual....hence my last question |
04:54:50 | tictoc | renaming the extensions will fix the problem ? |
04:54:51 | Llorean | I believe Nero one's aren't necessarily so. |
04:55:10 | Llorean | tictoc: Rockbox plays streamable AAC. Are you sure your files are? |
04:55:22 | tictoc | my files are vbr |
04:55:31 | tictoc | so i guess theyre not streamable |
04:56:02 | Llorean | vbr isn't related. |
04:56:10 | tictoc | theres a separate option to make them streamable |
04:56:16 | tictoc | when one is encoding |
04:59:50 | Chronon | Hmm.. I didn't use any special switches when using neroaacenc and the resulting files played fine. |
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05:04:13 | tictoc | i must have bad luck |
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05:08:49 | scorche | download.rockbox.org is on a rotation between multiple servers |
05:09:30 | aliask | Bagder: JdGordon passed on your wish to have new ports in the trunk, do you want me to merge the gigabeat s branch back in? |
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05:33:28 | ToHellWithGA | can i play s3m sample loops with rockbox? |
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05:36:04 | XavierGr | yay at last, unified alarm screen with the time/date screen and more accurate control for the alarm |
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05:36:32 | XavierGr | anyone know why the rtc alarms don't have date accuracy (only hours, minutes) |
05:36:56 | telliott | Anyone still using a V1 recorder? |
05:37:13 | scorche | yes |
05:37:15 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
05:37:15 | * | jhMikeS finally gets to wrestle with a pp5020 device. who will win is anyone's guess. :P |
05:37:43 | telliott | scorche, have you tried the new hybrid nimh batteries? |
05:37:56 | scorche | yes...they are great |
05:37:59 | telliott | I'm trying to find unbiased reviews |
05:38:48 | scorche | i havent used them for long, so i cant attest to their longevity (though they claim a lot longer), but they seem to do the job superbly so far |
05:38:49 | XavierGr | anyway I will call it a night, tomorrow I will try to plunge into the pcf50506.pdf for the alarm driver. It is a pity that my H300 has an rtc alarm by default that doesn't utilize it. |
05:39:00 | telliott | I let my regular batteries sit around for a week and it seems I've lost a third or more of the power. |
05:39:27 | telliott | What brand, scorche? |
05:40:00 | scorche | i was going to buy some online, but i discovered they are starting to ceep into consumer stores |
05:41:35 | ToHellWithGA | hybrid in what sense? |
05:41:49 | telliott | Have you seen them with hi mAh yet? |
05:42:14 | telliott | They come charged and stay charged longer when not in use |
05:42:17 | scorche | depends what you mean by high...i have 2100s, but they make up for it in the long run |
05:42:23 | aliask | ls |
05:42:29 | aliask | Argh, wrong window, sorry |
05:42:31 | telliott | true. |
05:42:56 | scorche | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_metal_hydride_battery#Low_Self_Discharge_Batteries |
05:43:36 | telliott | Cool. I found a couple of battery sites but the latest updates were 2005. |
05:44:17 | telliott | scorche, did you upgrade your V1 to 120 gigs? |
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05:44:25 | scorche | 160 |
05:45:19 | telliott | Cool. Is the custom build of Rockbox working ok? |
05:45:41 | scorche | "the"?...i make my own |
05:46:05 | telliott | I'm going to stick with 120 gigs so I don't have to jump through hoops to get around the hardware limitations. |
05:51:31 | telliott | scorche, thanks for the info. |
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06:48:21 | jhMikeS | PP5020 loses the battle :) |
06:53:09 | aliask | jhMikeS: What were you doing? |
06:53:32 | jhMikeS | fixing pp5020 lockup problems |
06:55:00 | jhMikeS | it didn't quite lose entirely unfortunately but is much more resistant. the swp instruction combine with the cache and memory controller setup seem to be the extent of the problem. |
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07:07:50 | eigma | anyone here familiar with set_interrupt_status's inline assembly? |
07:08:06 | eigma | (firmware/target/arm/system-arm.h) |
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07:10:08 | jhMikeS | eigma: indeed |
07:10:23 | eigma | jhMikeS: what does the "," modifier do to in register lists? |
07:10:30 | eigma | s/do to/do/ |
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07:11:00 | jhMikeS | alternate constraints so "r,i" = use a register or an immediate value |
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07:12:44 | eigma | jhMikeS: the reason I'm looking at this code is that set_interrupt_status doesn't compile without -O: system-arm.h:125: error: impossible constraint in 'asm' |
07:13:17 | eigma | my best guess is that this is because, without -O, all variables are on the stack, and the constraints for a register |
07:13:22 | eigma | s/for/force/ *sigh* |
07:14:25 | jhMikeS | eigma: I can't imagine why it would force variables onto the stack. that would make the code very slow. |
07:14:50 | eigma | I *want* variables on the stack, so that gdb doesn't say "tx_buf=<value optimized out>" |
07:15:00 | jhMikeS | I think the problem is the "i" |
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07:15:25 | eigma | that makes sense |
07:15:26 | jhMikeS | if you're testing, just use "r,r" and that shouldn't hurt. |
07:15:35 | jhMikeS | or make it a macro |
07:15:41 | eigma | can BIC take 3 register operands/ |
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07:16:22 | jhMikeS | yes, that's why it it's made to be compiled as bic rx, ry, rz or bic rx, rx, #n |
07:17:08 | jhMikeS | using the immediate value saves an extra instruction on almost every use of that |
07:17:11 | eigma | "error: inconsistent operand constraints in an 'asm'" |
07:17:16 | eigma | yep |
07:17:56 | jhMikeS | gcc gets on my nerves for being so retarded :\ |
07:18:06 | eigma | I *really* don't tihnk BIC reg, reg, reg exists |
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07:18:27 | jhMikeS | did you just try to convert to a macro? |
07:18:42 | eigma | AGH, why doesn't the ARM7 TRM allow copy pasting :( |
07:18:52 | eigma | no, I just tried replacing "i,i" by "i,r" for the mask |
07:19:35 | jhMikeS | make all the "i" to be "r" |
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07:20:17 | jhMikeS | eigma: try this one too: http://www.pastebin.ca/705506 |
07:20:37 | jhMikeS | remove the comment line though :) |
07:20:44 | eigma | heh |
07:21:21 | eigma | I've been looking for a way to replace BIC with two instructions... I cannot for the life of me find an instruction that does bitwise AND between two registers.. any help? |
07:23:00 | eigma | d'oh |
07:23:07 | eigma | I forgot shifter_operand != immediate |
07:23:36 | eigma | s/i,i/r,r/ works fine |
07:24:01 | eigma | heh, code is almost twice as big without -O |
07:24:30 | eigma | and about 10x as slow :( |
07:26:32 | eigma | jhMikeS: thanks for your help! |
07:26:37 | jhMikeS | np |
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07:44:55 | kkurbjun | :), Congratulations scorche, you won the flip fair and square |
07:45:22 | kkurbjun | I liked that video that bagder put together too :) |
07:45:32 | scorche | hehe....same |
07:45:36 | scorche | and thanks =) |
07:47:57 | kkurbjun | eigma, do you have a hex editor you can compare those values to? |
07:48:16 | eigma | where should I look? |
07:48:31 | kkurbjun | it should be at the header of the rockbox.mrboot |
07:48:39 | eigma | ok |
07:48:42 | kkurbjun | the begining should be the vector table |
07:49:56 | kkurbjun | I need to get a JTAG interface hooked up on my M:Robe too so I can do some of this debugging... |
07:50:18 | eigma | gdb definitely beats "oh, crash. d'oh. connect usb, wait, copy, wait, ..." |
07:50:44 | kkurbjun | :) |
07:54:48 | kkurbjun | can I ask for another memory dump at address 0x60F08? |
07:57:18 | * | petur kicks austriancoder around for not entering his location for GSoC, now we're not connected in google earth... |
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07:58:52 | eigma | kkurbjun: how many bytes? |
07:59:18 | eigma | any wiki admins: can I get write access on my wiki account, CatalinPatulea? |
07:59:20 | kkurbjun | 4 bytes |
07:59:38 | eigma | kkurbjun: 0 |
07:59:59 | kkurbjun | hmm |
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08:00:38 | petur | eigma: sure |
08:00:48 | eigma | petur: thanks |
08:01:12 | petur | done |
08:01:16 | scorche | PeterDHoye has been editing the topic for 50 seconds and the lease is still active for another 59 minutes 10 seconds. |
08:01:17 | scorche | bah |
08:01:30 | petur | hahaha slow today huh? |
08:01:34 | scorche | a bit =/ |
08:01:54 | petur | the lock is gone, btw :p |
08:02:51 | scorche | dont make me add him again! |
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08:09:48 | amiconn | mo0ning |
08:09:54 | eigma | hi |
08:12:40 | * | amiconn wonders whether he should commit the addition of the manifest to ipodpatcher.exe now (which works wrt the uac request, but causes a new cmd window to pop up on vista), or instead hold it back and try to implement the recommended method for commandline tools to check for admin rights |
08:13:03 | eigma | that is one long /me |
08:13:03 | amiconn | This method still needs a manifest, so the work of adding it isn't useless |
08:13:09 | eigma | you must be a very thoughtful person |
08:13:13 | eigma | ;) |
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08:16:34 | daurni | hey all |
08:16:59 | eigma | hey |
08:17:00 | daurni | who has web admin rights? |
08:17:15 | * | petur picks up his bike and rides to work |
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08:17:33 | scorche | the swedes |
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08:17:52 | JdGordon | speak of one of the devils :p |
08:17:58 | daurni | scorche: could you allow #rockbox-community on the cgi irc web client? |
08:18:18 | scorche | no..only the swedes, but i dont think we should... |
08:18:19 | * | amiconn will just do it. Doesn't hurt other windows versions than vista either |
08:18:49 | eigma | kkurbjun, JdGordon: who wrote system-target.h:96 (#define inw(p) (*((unsigned short*)(p + PHY_IO_BASE))) |
08:19:04 | kkurbjun | I did that, you can add the volitile in there |
08:19:11 | eigma | any particular reason it was taken out? |
08:19:24 | kkurbjun | you're right that it should be in there.. no, not really any reason |
08:19:28 | eigma | ok |
08:19:40 | eigma | I think it's the reason for JdGordon's inifite loop problms |
08:19:53 | eigma | RX status register read only once, then "0x00903e3c <dm320_spi_block_transfer+288>: bne 0x903e3c <dm320_spi_block_transfer+288>" |
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08:20:51 | JdGordon | ttyl guys, ill be back tomorow night |
08:20:56 | eigma | cya |
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08:28:15 | amiconn | eigma, kkurbjun: Is there a reason why the m:robe 500 port uses this inw/ouw style instead of individual register definitions like the other ports do (mostly)? |
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08:28:40 | eigma | legacy from Linux - what is the alternative? |
08:28:51 | amiconn | Imho using register definitions is more readable |
08:29:31 | amiconn | The ipod port also has some leftovers in the inl/outl style - these need to be replaced gradually |
08:29:34 | eigma | where are these defined? |
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08:30:31 | eigma | can you show me a sample ARM target that does this? |
08:30:54 | amiconn | There are header files for each cpu. Look at firmware/export/mcf5249.h, pp5020.h etc. |
08:31:00 | eigma | ah, export! |
08:31:05 | eigma | that's the one directory where I didn't look, heh |
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08:31:21 | Ren | Hi folks |
08:31:36 | eigma | amiconn: #define CPU_MESSAGE (*(volatile unsigned long *)(0x60001000)) ? |
08:31:58 | amiconn | It's basically #define FOO_REG (*(volatile unsigned long *)(address_of_foo)) |
08:32:03 | eigma | hehe |
08:32:14 | Ren | New RockBox user may I ask questions in here? |
08:32:15 | amiconn | Then you write to the register with FOO_REG = value; |
08:32:17 | eigma | np on my side, what do you think kkurbjun? |
08:32:26 | amiconn | ...and read from it using result = FOO_REG; |
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08:32:32 | kkurbjun | I don't have any problem with it |
08:32:37 | eigma | cool |
08:32:45 | eigma | i think it's low-priority though |
08:32:46 | GodEater | Ren: did you read the guidelines in the topic ># |
08:32:55 | Ren | No I will now |
08:33:08 | kkurbjun | yeah, I don't particularly want to go through that whole header right now.. |
08:33:27 | eigma | hmm, maybe I can write a really clever sed script |
08:34:18 | eigma | we can go halfway there by making #define inw(p) p and #define outw(v,p) p=v |
08:34:45 | amiconn | Just doing it gradually as you're working on individual driver code would be enough |
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08:35:23 | kkurbjun | that's reasonable |
08:35:26 | amiconn | There is one problem associated with this method - if you don't know how to call a register because you're not sure what it actually does |
08:35:50 | eigma | REG_00060F08? |
08:36:04 | amiconn | This e.g. applies to some PP init sequences borrowed from ipl |
08:36:09 | GodEater | looks reasonable |
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08:38:00 | Ren | Received Sansa E280 this evening - charged up and immediately load RockBox. RockBox seems to work well. Tried to dual boot and test appears on screen, fades away after a few seconds and that is where the Sansa stays. Not sure how to proceed |
08:38:19 | Ren | Text not test |
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08:40:21 | GodEater | Ren: Not sure how we're fixed for sansa experts this time of day. You can either wait about another hour, and hope the eu crowd come online, or try posting in the forums |
08:40:33 | GodEater | <−− not a sansa owner sadly |
08:41:04 | Ren | Thanks - I need to go to bed so I will try later - have a good evening |
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08:46:14 | petur | morning austriancoder ;) |
08:46:50 | austriancoder | petur: morning |
08:46:59 | petur | fyi, MSC writing seems to work, after running the test suite my H10 no longer boots... |
08:47:19 | petur | (the test suite did warn it would do random writes) |
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08:47:43 | ddalton | I have a dir full of about 15 patches. Can I apply a whole dir or do I need to add each patch? |
08:47:46 | ddalton | separatly |
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08:49:24 | austriancoder | MSC writing can not work... or do you have access to my computer ;) |
08:49:55 | petur | oh... then what happened... |
08:50:43 | petur | after the MSC test it hangs when trying to load rockbox |
08:51:01 | petur | I'll restore rockbox and try again (tonight) |
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08:52:45 | austriancoder | fine... i hope I find time to commit some more stuff... in 5 days i have my bachelor exam and I need to learn |
08:53:21 | petur | if not, put up some patches and I'll see what I can do |
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09:02:17 | scorche | B4gder! |
09:02:22 | scorche | Rex was great =) |
09:02:26 | B4gder | hahah |
09:02:38 | B4gder | he's a great help when it comes to coin flipping |
09:02:57 | scorche | "Authin!" |
09:03:20 | B4gder | oh well... |
09:04:16 | petur | hmmm didn't have time to look at the video :( any link again please (PM if not public) |
09:04:40 | B4gder | its public enough... |
09:04:43 | aliask | B4gder: JdGordon passed on your wish to have new ports in the trunk, did you want me to merge the gigabeat s branch back in? |
09:04:52 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/flip-a-coin.3gp |
09:05:17 | * | petur looks for a suitable player |
09:05:33 | B4gder | aliask: that's just my (and a few other devs') opinions - no consensus on this really, but yes I would like that |
09:06:15 | GodEater | petur: mplayer :) |
09:06:15 | B4gder | petur: yeah, its an evil format - especially the sound it seems |
09:06:28 | B4gder | not debian's "default" mplayer |
09:06:35 | amiconn | petur: Just clicking on it worked for me (I have quicktime installed and it will play the video fine, including audio) |
09:06:46 | aliask | B4gder: Well, let me know when a consensus is reached. |
09:07:41 | amiconn | B4gder: 3gp is just a low-end incarnation of mp4 |
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09:07:57 | B4gder | with a weird audio codec, yes |
09:08:01 | B4gder | weird == non-free |
09:08:54 | eigma | is there any synonym for "unsigned int" in rockbox? like u_int or something |
09:09:28 | eigma | alternatively, what should I include in a target/*.c to get size_t? |
09:10:53 | B4gder | amiconn / Zagor / LinusN / linuxstb_: what's your position on the work on new ports. in a branch or rather in trunk? |
09:12:04 | Zagor | I was the one who created the gigabeat-s branch, but I think trunk is better. |
09:12:33 | B4gder | I think trunk will get more eyes on it |
09:12:39 | B4gder | which is goodness |
09:12:49 | * | amiconn agrees |
09:12:49 | austriancoder | eigma: #include <inttypes.h> |
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09:14:01 | LinusN | trunk gets my vote |
09:14:02 | Zagor | also non-port developers can often help with stuff anyway. that just won't happen in a branch. |
09:14:21 | amiconn | I think the gigabeat s people will have quite some trouble merging their stuff now |
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09:14:39 | aliask | We've done some reverse merging to make it easier |
09:14:48 | aliask | trunk -> branch stuff |
09:15:12 | amiconn | When I took a look once (a month ago or so), there were already some considerable differences between trunk and gigabeat s branch |
09:15:47 | B4gder | anyway, i think we then can say most of us prefer trunk |
09:16:19 | Zagor | aliask: what is your opinion? |
09:16:30 | aliask | I would also like to have it in the trunk |
09:16:33 | B4gder | (I don't mean to imply that we are "most", but at least we represent a fair amount of history and experience) |
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09:16:52 | Zagor | is anyone against it? |
09:17:08 | B4gder | i've not seen anyone object |
09:18:03 | amiconn | I don't see much point in using branches in rockbox development |
09:18:36 | amiconn | Especially with target tree, non-working code of an early port will be limited to that port. |
09:18:37 | B4gder | well, for very experimental code I can see a use |
09:19:08 | preglow | what plays these 3gp files well? :/ |
09:19:27 | aliask | Real media player :) |
09:19:36 | amiconn | Maybe if we want to do real "stable" releases, one branch per release would make sense, where only bufixes get ported to. But I don't see that happen... |
09:19:48 | * | petur tried a windows MPLAYER build but that just crashes on file load |
09:19:49 | B4gder | I'll take a not and not provide any 3gp in the future |
09:20:02 | petur | :) |
09:20:09 | amiconn | petur: If you're on windows just use quicktime |
09:20:16 | B4gder | it was just handy to use my phone |
09:20:17 | preglow | quicktime :/// |
09:20:21 | preglow | vlc hates the audio format |
09:20:23 | preglow | "samr" or somethingh |
09:20:23 | B4gder | and I couldn't transcode |
09:22:00 | Zagor | the video is quite confusing without sound. a coin, a kid and a lot of blur :) |
09:23:38 | preglow | yeah, quicktime couldn't handle the sound either |
09:23:56 | scorche | quicktime handles it all just fine for me |
09:24:03 | preglow | B4gder: yeah, i guess it's hard to transcode when nothing can even decode :P |
09:24:28 | petur | converted file: http://w11.media-convert.com/getfile.php?lg=nl&xid=jvoprilr |
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09:24:47 | linuxstb | Bagder: I agree with trunk as well. |
09:25:48 | petur | B4gder: funny video ;) |
09:26:36 | amiconn | B4gder: I now have a completely uncompressed .avi of the video. What would be a suitable encoding? |
09:26:57 | linuxstb | mpegplayer-compatible of course.... |
09:27:21 | petur | amiconn: see link I just gave, there's an AVI... |
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09:28:24 | amiconn | Hmm, that doesn't tell what compression was used afaict |
09:29:12 | aliask | Off to work - I'll merge the branch when I get back if nobody objects |
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09:30:38 | linuxstb | I assume no Sansa owning dev has problems loading the OF with the current bootloader? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7806 (and forum thread) |
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09:34:19 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: I can start it. It seems to hang for a bit beforehand though. |
09:34:34 | scorche | same |
09:34:37 | GodEater | does anyone know what adapate means? :) |
09:35:00 | linuxstb | It means someone needs another cup of coffee |
09:35:07 | amiconn | GodEater: -e |
09:35:27 | amiconn | I saw that, but svn still doesn't allow to edit commit msgs like cvs did |
09:35:46 | GodEater | shout at Zagor :) |
09:36:18 | Zagor | are edited messages revision controlled? ;) |
09:36:24 | petur | rofl |
09:37:24 | B4gder | petur: thanks for the conversion, I've put the avi next to the dreaded 3gp now |
09:39:21 | Crackerizer | could somebody update me about ipod 3g status, please. can it play mp3 in realtime?? i look at rockbox site and see it is officially supported.. :) |
09:39:32 | B4gder | it can |
09:39:42 | B4gder | you should try it |
09:39:57 | preglow | 404 on the avi in the same spot |
09:40:07 | scorche | i get it fine |
09:40:12 | preglow | really |
09:40:14 | markun | B4gder: I just tried mplayer, ffplay and vlc. They all play your 3gp just fine |
09:40:26 | B4gder | markun: if you have the special builds, yes |
09:40:36 | B4gder | not debian default ones |
09:40:37 | Crackerizer | thank you B4gder, there is not much information about 3g on the forum |
09:40:52 | Crackerizer | i'll give it a try tonight. |
09:41:16 | preglow | right, subtly different filename |
09:41:20 | B4gder | preglow: sorry, slightly different file name |
09:41:50 | B4gder | symlink added |
09:42:05 | * | scorche just got to it from /rockbox/ |
09:42:26 | Crackerizer | B4gder: anyway, i've read the latest post about 3g and they said i need to patch the source to get it work, dont i? |
09:42:30 | linuxstb | B4gder: Did you see the messages from DataGhost (about 00.24 this morning in the logs) about some files missing from the download mirrors? |
09:42:32 | B4gder | it really is a video worth fighting for to watch :-P |
09:42:33 | * | petur blames the online conversion site |
09:42:43 | preglow | special builds? just ones done from a newer svn? |
09:42:44 | B4gder | linuxstb: me check |
09:42:53 | B4gder | Crackerizer: not to my knowledge |
09:43:06 | linuxstb | Crackerizer: What "latest post" are you reading? |
09:43:07 | preglow | anyone know what audio codec is used in the 3gp file, btw? |
09:43:15 | B4gder | amr_nb |
09:43:35 | preglow | a speech codec, i take it |
09:43:39 | B4gder | yes |
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09:44:05 | preglow | i wonder how well it does against speex |
09:44:18 | Crackerizer | linuxstb: i searched for '3g' on the forum and it's the top post found.. |
09:44:19 | preglow | right, acelp, probably favourably, then |
09:44:36 | GodEater | Crackerizer: the forums aren't the best place for info on the status of anything |
09:44:47 | GodEater | Crackerizer: they're where people report problems mostly |
09:44:52 | markun | preglow: http://svn.mplayerhq.hu/soc/amr/ |
09:44:53 | B4gder | linuxstb: I've removed the ARCHIVE dir... |
09:45:18 | B4gder | so its not supposed to be there, even if one of the servers still has it |
09:45:54 | linuxstb | B4gder: Fine with me |
09:46:13 | Crackerizer | GodEater: thank you, GodEater. I think i should do some search before asking :) |
09:46:36 | linuxstb | Crackerizer: That mp3 patch has been in the official builds for a while. |
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09:49:53 | Crackerizer | linuxstb: could you tell me where to find an information about arm used by ipod? i took a microcontroller class for the last semester, maybe i could use my knowledge to help this project |
09:50:23 | scorche | it isnt a publicly documented chip |
09:50:36 | scorche | makes things a bit harder ;) |
09:50:48 | GodEater | scorche: aren't you supposed to be in bed ? :) |
09:50:54 | scorche | oh, hush =P |
09:51:13 | linuxstb | Although it contains dual arm7tdmi cores, and that's well-documented. |
09:51:13 | B4gder | Crackerizer: http://ipodlinux.org/PP5002 |
09:51:31 | B4gder | if you're talking 3rd gen ipod still |
09:52:05 | B4gder | Crackerizer: you can do a whole lot of things in this project without knowing the inner workings of the soc |
09:52:56 | Crackerizer | B4gder: for example? |
09:53:22 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: I've just read your pp5020 comments in the logs - you have a pp5020 target now? |
09:53:25 | B4gder | here's 177 examples => http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=2 |
09:53:39 | Zagor | 90%+ is top-level code |
09:53:45 | Zagor | high-level, I mean |
09:53:59 | Crackerizer | B4gder: ah, i see |
09:54:03 | B4gder | possibly a few of those 177 needs lowlevel knowledge of course |
09:54:42 | B4gder | Crackerizer: but mainly you can jump and and do whatever you think is fun and is needed to make rockbox better |
09:54:46 | B4gder | jump in |
09:55:22 | B4gder | interestingly, I've heard that some people even listen to music with it! |
09:55:29 | Zagor | Crackerizer: you are hereby officially welcomed! :-) |
09:56:27 | Crackerizer | Zagor: Thank you, i think i should start looking at rockbox internal structure. |
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09:57:54 | Zagor | documenting "the big picture" is another task that would be useful |
09:58:12 | Zagor | basically helping future people in your own position |
09:59:10 | Crackerizer | yes, it's good if people like me who want to help see the big picture... |
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10:01:07 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: yes |
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10:08:42 | jhMikeS | what worries me is the defective behavior seems to be specifically regarding swp(b). perhaps only when the cache is enabled since no problems seemed to crop up with it disabled and all dual-core test plugins ran. |
10:13:17 | jhMikeS | since it's not technically needed given that it supposedly has hardware semaphores, maybe it's just not implemented properly and then it was revised later. (just guessing). |
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10:30:30 | amiconn | jhMikeS: You say swp(b) isn't working as it should on PP5020? |
10:30:35 | amiconn | Even not in iram? |
10:31:48 | jhMikeS | amiconn: it seems that it doesn't when caching is enabled but does when the cache is off...iram or not. |
10:32:55 | amiconn | Very odd, since iram isn't (supposed to be) cached |
10:33:07 | amiconn | Sounds like a bug in the bus controller |
10:33:51 | jhMikeS | I had no lock up when 1) disabling cache 2) removing swp(b) entirely (but of course no dual core tests there). |
10:35:57 | jhMikeS | it doesn't require any activity on both cores to do show those behaviors. clearing MMAP0_x to zero also alters things and lets play start after the disk spindown. |
10:40:43 | jhMikeS | oh, I should mention also that disabling interrupts around swp(b) instructions let things run more stably |
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10:49:45 | amiconn | jhMikeS: So only MMAP0 is affected? We have a few more MMAP registers to choose from... |
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10:50:57 | preglow | jhMikeS: you checked if retailos does any swp use? |
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10:51:32 | jhMikeS | 1) I set the 0x10000000 to 0x00000000 memap on MMAP1 from MMAP3. no change. 2) clear MMAP0 3) set the MMAP on both core and not just CPU. still whacky but less so. |
10:51:50 | jhMikeS | s/MMAP3/MMAP2 |
10:52:08 | jhMikeS | preglow: it does none. it's pretty much the same as e200 |
10:52:17 | preglow | grmm |
10:52:25 | preglow | we should find out about these hardware semaphores... |
10:52:30 | jhMikeS | even the mmap set is the same |
10:52:57 | jhMikeS | I'll bet they're limited to the point it won't make a good general purpose solution. |
10:53:10 | preglow | then how come retailos makes do without swp? |
10:53:47 | jhMikeS | because it's limited and inflexible I think |
10:54:59 | preglow | it's probably not as general as what you want, no |
10:55:12 | jhMikeS | If I read correctly in the patent docs, it's basically a bitmask or a few of them. |
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10:58:13 | jhMikeS | I've not spied anything in retailos where there appear to be sync code. Perhaps I'll stumble upon it. I doubt it's obvious but there is some interesting init in the sansa OF. |
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10:59:05 | fm2 | If I have a pointer p_const to a const struct (static or global), and that struct has an integer field (say, i), how can I increment it? I tried to convert the pointer to a non-const one. This does get compiled then by (on the sim) I get seg fault. Is it because (static) const data are in a segment that doesn't allow writes? |
10:59:15 | jhMikeS | there's also memory mapped at 0x37000000 on e200...anyone know what that is. |
10:59:40 | Zagor | fm2: why is it const? |
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11:00:30 | fm2 | Zagor: it is declared like that. const struct my_struct.....; const struct * p = &...; |
11:00:51 | Zagor | yes, but is there a good reason for that? you obviously want to change it. |
11:01:11 | preglow | jhMikeS: you have any idea how hard it would be to bolt on software based fade in/out? |
11:01:14 | Zagor | fm2: or is that not your code? |
11:01:59 | jhMikeS | preglow: ummm....mod and use the crossfade code? |
11:02:25 | preglow | right, crossfade already has fading, that's right |
11:02:44 | fm2 | Zagor: it's RB code but it was not written by me. There are good reasons to make the struct const, I understand them. Hmm... I think, I'll place a pointer to the struct. It will be const. And will update the value it points to. |
11:02:51 | jhMikeS | Zagor: maybe he wants a constant point to a struct? struct p_const * const p;?? |
11:03:14 | fm2 | jhMikeS: no, I know the diference :-) |
11:03:23 | jhMikeS | ok :) |
11:03:44 | fm2 | I just wondered why I got seg fault. Did I understand it right (see above)? |
11:03:57 | jhMikeS | because of page protection |
11:04:02 | Zagor | fm2: yes you are right. const data can be put in protected space. |
11:04:14 | Zagor | can I ask which struct it is? |
11:04:26 | fm2 | jhMikeS, Zagor: ok then. I'll go with pointers. |
11:04:43 | amiconn | If the data is constant, you aren't supposed to change it, neither on target nor sim |
11:04:57 | fm2 | Zagor: yes. Ask! :-) (it's menu struct generated by a macro) |
11:05:04 | amiconn | On target this also won't work if rockbox is running from flash |
11:05:18 | jhMikeS | struct foo; const struct foo *p; shouldn't seg fault since foo isn't constant. |
11:05:43 | amiconn | No, but the compiler will issue a warning |
11:05:57 | fm2 | amiconn: ok, ok, fooling the compiler isn't a good thing anyway |
11:06:08 | * | jhMikeS will issue a hammer to gcc. |
11:06:14 | eigma | woohoo! my first commit :) |
11:06:42 | fm2 | jhMikeS: the struct itself is declared as const, not only in the pointer |
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11:07:16 | amiconn | fm2: You would have to make the struct non-constant. But doing that for the menus ingeneral would be a bad idea |
11:07:56 | jhMikeS | fm2: yes. I was just saying. |
11:07:58 | fm2 | amiconn: I'll place a const pointer into the struct. The value pointed to won't be a const though. |
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11:08:35 | Zagor | fm2: just skip const and be happier |
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11:09:05 | eigma | good night everyone |
11:09:13 | jhMikeS | nighty |
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11:09:40 | Toki | excuse me for the noob question... when I select gain level during line-in recording on my iaudio x5, should I avoid choosing anything above 0db? or it is safe to do? |
11:09:54 | fm2 | Zagor: the "const" part is generated by the macro, I can't (and do not want to) change that. |
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11:11:26 | * | jhMikeS notices eigma is "eigma" in the commit. |
11:11:44 | preglow | observant you are |
11:11:54 | Zagor | yeah, I'm fixing |
11:12:54 | Zagor | fixed |
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11:14:35 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I bought a Toshiba Gigabeat F-20 with Rockbox installed from eBay |
11:14:38 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just recieved it. |
11:14:53 | Zagor | congratulations |
11:14:54 | preglow | lucky you |
11:14:56 | Dark_Apostrophe | When I turn it on, I see the Rockbox splash screen |
11:15:07 | Dark_Apostrophe | But it doesn't go past that it seems |
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11:16:14 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's stuck at the splash screen |
11:16:19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone give me a hand? |
11:16:59 | Zagor | try booting with usb connected, and install a new version |
11:17:20 | Zagor | afaik you will get usb mode even if rockbox doesn't run? |
11:17:22 | Dark_Apostrophe | I can't seem to be able to turn it off, eiher |
11:17:36 | Dark_Apostrophe | either* |
11:17:59 | * | jhMikeS wonders about including a dither option for mpegplayer on e200 and meg-fx since those targets can do it reasonable but it can cause a few frame jumps where there would be any so it enables a quality/speed tradeoff. |
11:18:16 | Zagor | guys, who's got a gigabeat? what's the reset sequence? |
11:18:28 | markun | Zagor: use the battery switch |
11:18:45 | markun | or do you mean to clear the settings? |
11:18:48 | preglow | jhMikeS: mpegplayer hasn't had much asm or optimization yet, no? |
11:18:55 | Zagor | markun: I mean to help Dark_Apostrophe |
11:18:58 | jhMikeS | preglow: I did it already |
11:19:27 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: turn if off with the battery switch |
11:19:39 | markun | do you have an older bootloader? |
11:19:51 | jhMikeS | so that goes in too but at 30fps full screen meg-fx still drops a few with dither on but less than the old yuv code |
11:20:12 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: for the old ones you need to hold MENU while booting to enter USB mode, the new one just detects a USB cable |
11:20:12 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: Done |
11:20:20 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
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11:20:54 | jhMikeS | preglow: so I've got a weird butterfly idct that uses no multiply instructs at all :) |
11:21:04 | jhMikeS | *instructions |
11:21:06 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, I seem o have what looks like a command line up now |
11:21:11 | preglow | jhMikeS: sounds unlikely... |
11:21:18 | jhMikeS | already did it |
11:21:21 | preglow | but if it works, heh |
11:21:29 | jhMikeS | same output |
11:21:42 | jhMikeS | just the shift+add stuff |
11:21:51 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: try to reinstall the bootloader and the latest rockbox.zip http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort |
11:21:58 | Dark_Apostrophe | k |
11:22:20 | preglow | jhMikeS: gigabeat chokes at 30fps??? |
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11:22:55 | jhMikeS | preglow: that's near its limit but does fine with the current svn non-dithered yuv |
11:23:57 | jhMikeS | there'd likely be no point in a option on the S however - just do that by default. |
11:24:19 | bluebrother | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe you want to try Rockbox Utility for installation? ;-) |
11:24:20 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: I haven't had the new USB device popup |
11:24:27 | Dark_Apostrophe | And dmesg doesn't show anything |
11:24:31 | markun | strange |
11:24:47 | markun | Did you have to hold MENU? |
11:24:54 | Dark_Apostrophe | Yes |
11:24:59 | Dark_Apostrophe | It says it's in rescue mode |
11:25:16 | preglow | jhMikeS: well, it'll suck more battery |
11:25:21 | markun | ok, maybe pull out and reinsert the cable again? |
11:25:33 | Dark_Apostrophe | FRAME 31FD6800 TTB 31FFC000 |
11:25:41 | Dark_Apostrophe | disk_mount_all: 1 |
11:25:57 | Dark_Apostrophe | Model TOSHIBA MK2006GAL |
11:26:04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Firmware BY301A |
11:26:20 | markun | yes, looks fine |
11:26:29 | Dark_Apostrophe | Partition 0: 0x0C 19069MB |
11:26:45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Loading Rockbox.... Rockbox loaded. |
11:26:59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay, then how do I make it work? |
11:28:16 | markun | I thought you said you got to the rescue mode.. |
11:28:24 | Dark_Apostrophe | I have |
11:28:28 | Dark_Apostrophe | What do I do next? |
11:28:42 | markun | if it's loading rockbox it's passed the bootloader already |
11:29:00 | Dark_Apostrophe | Okay... So how do I make it boot past the splash screen? |
11:29:17 | markun | go to rescue mode, then reinstall bootloader and rockbox |
11:29:42 | Dark_Apostrophe | No USB device was detected by the computer :/ |
11:29:45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nothing in dmesg, even |
11:30:04 | Dark_Apostrophe | So I push the A button? |
11:30:05 | markun | did you insert the USB cable before or after enter rescue mode? |
11:30:16 | Dark_Apostrophe | before |
11:30:24 | markun | try it after |
11:30:27 | Dark_Apostrophe | ok |
11:30:52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Nothing |
11:30:58 | jhMikeS | preglow: yeah, but I'm testing pretty maxed-out for quality. |
11:33:14 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: then I only know one more way of fixing it: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures |
11:33:16 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: Should I try with the cradle? |
11:33:32 | preglow | jhMikeS: some people might easily prefer playing time to quality, so such remain an option |
11:33:39 | markun | I'm not sure if we support the cradle in rescue mode |
11:33:39 | preglow | anyway, options should be the same across builds, if you ask me |
11:33:44 | markun | it should have worked |
11:34:03 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: do you have a different computer to try? |
11:34:03 | jhMikeS | I think a heavy video target like that should have some output options. The appearance improvement is just too great and is no problem for film rates at all. |
11:34:18 | Dark_Apostrophe | I have a laptop but it's runnin Debian too |
11:35:13 | jhMikeS | preglow: perhaps, but such a thing really needs asm implementation and in a most obfuscated way at that to work. x5 already gets 18-bit by default. |
11:35:53 | preglow | indeed it does |
11:36:06 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: It says VOL+ button to restore original kernel, A button to load original firmware |
11:36:10 | Dark_Apostrophe | Maybe I should try one of those? |
11:36:17 | preglow | why don't compilers beat me at asm yet :/ |
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11:36:31 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: looks like a very old bootloader. Where did you download it? |
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11:36:38 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: I didn' |
11:36:53 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: I bought it off eBay |
11:37:00 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun: It came with Rockbox preinstalled |
11:37:02 | markun | Ah, ok |
11:37:29 | Dark_Apostrophe | When I boot it without rescue mode, it just shows the Rockbox splash screen and goes no further |
11:37:36 | jhMikeS | it would really not be useable on slower targets that already barely make acceptable rates. e200 can handle it well since it has the memmapped video ram. |
11:38:15 | jhMikeS | framebuffer-in-ram is probably more accurate to say |
11:38:53 | Zagor | markun: is rockbox loaded from flash or disk on those? |
11:39:12 | markun | disk |
11:39:24 | markun | usually it means that rockbox.gigabeat is corrupt |
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11:39:43 | jhMikeS | preglow: so we should deny more capable targets their use just to keep it uniform? I really don't want to implement it on every single device myself. |
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11:41:11 | Zagor | Dark_Apostrophe: if you select "load original firmware", does it do that? if so, can you connect to usb from there? |
11:41:51 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just ried |
11:41:54 | Dark_Apostrophe | File not found |
11:41:56 | Dark_Apostrophe | tried* |
11:42:00 | Zagor | ok |
11:42:46 | jhMikeS | preglow: on a related note: what if there really is some intractable hardware bug in PP5020? I guess don't let any targets at all utilize the COP fully in a general way? |
11:42:53 | Zagor | Dark_Apostrophe: when did you last connect another usb mass-storage device to this computer? |
11:43:23 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, I just tried it on a second computer |
11:43:25 | preglow | jhMikeS: all i'm stressing is that we want a uniform interface, we don't want people surprised by lack of settings and features as they move from one unit to another |
11:43:30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Didn't work there either |
11:43:39 | Zagor | ok, so that's ruled out then |
11:44:21 | markun | Zagor: I told him to follow the recovery procedure, which involves opening the player |
11:44:27 | preglow | jhMikeS: do we want to utilize the cop in a general way anyway? i thought we were looking at a pretty fixed scenario of audio and dsp running on one core, everything else on the other |
11:44:31 | markun | and 'hot swapping' the hdd.. |
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11:45:47 | Zagor | "This is not as hard as it seems" :-) |
11:46:01 | jhMikeS | preglow: not _that_ general but in a way the programmer of something can define freely. I guess that isn't really user visible though. |
11:46:09 | preglow | indeed not |
11:46:10 | Zagor | Dark_Apostrophe: yeah, seems that is what you need to do. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatFXPort#Gigabeat_Recovery_Procedures |
11:46:14 | preglow | that's a code clarity issue, if you ask me |
11:46:54 | jhMikeS | it's would be easy to keep pp5020 as it is now and have full capability on pp5022+. Just a #define change really. |
11:47:14 | preglow | what is "as it is now" |
11:47:17 | preglow | svn status or your tree? |
11:47:58 | jhMikeS | basically as in SVN where kernel object are not core safe. |
11:48:32 | preglow | would that prevent us from stuffing audio decoding on a core? |
11:49:27 | jhMikeS | with pp5020 acting as it is and not being fixable, that would be impossible anway for it since it's nothing to do with the kernel objects |
11:49:53 | jhMikeS | I think it's too early to say it's not but the way it acts has me wondering |
11:50:04 | preglow | again i'm wishing for docs |
11:50:07 | preglow | bloody portalplayer |
11:50:10 | preglow | i will destroy them! |
11:51:39 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The dithering will be very possible on small colour screen targets like H10 (small, perhaps even big), and C200 |
11:52:40 | jhMikeS | I think the asm code could easily adapt to output to a port instead of a framebuffer. |
11:53:08 | amiconn | yup |
11:53:15 | jhMikeS | But what about x5 and H300. Any graylib stuff is out since it does that already. |
11:53:38 | amiconn | Those targets first need better performance in the mpeg video decoder |
11:54:06 | preglow | coldfire suffers much since it doesn't have a data cache |
11:54:10 | jhMikeS | It having a "Display Options" item in the menu on some targets and not others really so confusing? |
11:54:16 | jhMikeS | *Is |
11:54:48 | preglow | not so much confusing as just undesirable |
11:55:10 | preglow | if someone wants to buy a new rockbox dap, it'd be very great to not have to think about what rockbox does and doesn't support on the various targets |
11:55:33 | jhMikeS | hmmm....I guess we should only support MP3 playback then |
11:55:38 | jhMikeS | forever |
11:55:39 | amiconn | I think the dither option wouldn't hurt either. |
11:56:06 | preglow | jhMikeS: hwcodec doesn't really exist in my world, heh |
11:56:23 | amiconn | Atm mpegplayer isn't really usable on coldfire, unless you select a video considerably smaller than the screen |
11:57:10 | jhMikeS | Which targets can actually play real video besides gigabeat and e200? |
11:57:13 | preglow | jhMikeS: anyway, we're still in development, it's not the end of the world, but i would for sure put "consistent feature set across targets" as a goal for a release |
11:57:19 | GodEater | jhMikeS: Nano |
11:58:15 | jhMikeS | preglow: well, I guess if someone wants to, they can implement it and add the item in. |
11:59:46 | preglow | does dithering make the output look much better? |
11:59:58 | jhMikeS | GodEater: what's the screen res? the driver isn't even optimized much. |
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12:00:08 | preglow | 176x132, i believe |
12:00:29 | jhMikeS | preglow: when you have gradients like that stuf in ed, hugely |
12:00:41 | preglow | i expect it'll help remove banding a great deal |
12:00:42 | amiconn | jhMikeS: H10 |
12:00:48 | linuxstb | preglow: I agree to some extent, but some things are just not going to be physically possible on all targets - such as APE playback at the higher compression levels. So we're always going to get some targets with more capabilities than others. |
12:00:56 | jhMikeS | preglow: banding goes away |
12:01:08 | preglow | jhMikeS: sounds sweet, why don't hardware dvd players dither? :/ |
12:01:52 | jhMikeS | amiconn: hadn't tried it yet on that. |
12:01:54 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, i guess it'll inevitably become a bigger problem too, with the 500 mhz players |
12:02:06 | jhMikeS | preglow: too cheap to do something not very hard? |
12:02:10 | markun | preglow: I tried jhMikeS' patch and it looked much better |
12:02:37 | preglow | i friggin' _hate_ banding on dvds |
12:03:00 | jhMikeS | yeah, the only reason I want the option is when raw framerate might be the concern over color quality for fast stuff |
12:03:23 | linuxstb | Couldn't mpegplayer adapt? i.e. not dither when it's struggling to play in realtime? |
12:03:35 | jhMikeS | But then a 500Mhz player should just always dither it |
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12:05:16 | jhMikeS | adapt? I had considered it but I think it might look weird to switch it. |
12:05:50 | linuxstb | Just an idea... |
12:06:48 | preglow | anywho, i've gotta catch a plane, see you all later |
12:07:02 | jhMikeS | later |
12:10:25 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Have I understood you correctly that the PP5020 issue is that the swp(b) instruction is not dual-core safe, but it is on the PP5022? |
12:12:34 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: it's not even single-core safe on PP5020. On PP5022 I can run tight dual core code with no problem. |
12:13:16 | amiconn | I guess it's a memory controller bug. swp(b) should lock the bus between the read and the write, but probably doesn't |
12:13:43 | jhMikeS | I made the SPC codec use semaphores and block the threads as the buffer fills and empties and it runs all day long. |
12:14:50 | linuxstb | Obvious question, but I see Rockbox uses swpb - have you tried swp? |
12:15:02 | jhMikeS | amiconn: could turning off the cache just be making a lockup less likely? test_queue ran fine then. |
12:15:18 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: didn't I have you check that already? |
12:15:27 | linuxstb | I can't remember. |
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12:17:00 | jhMikeS | then many thread state variables need to be 32-bit instead of 8. I packed the structures down to not waste IRAM where it's precious. |
12:22:17 | jhMikeS | what's that other connector at the top of the H10? a remote? |
12:23:09 | petur | yes |
12:25:07 | jhMikeS | The iRiver stuff seems better made than other brands. I don't know that still true. |
12:25:38 | petur | I don't like the H10 at all, the button placement sucks |
12:26:14 | petur | it does feel more solid though |
12:27:11 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Have you seen swp being used in any pp5020 original firmwares? I've just done a quick search of the various disassemblies from my ipod color - none of the code that's in flash seems to use it, and I don't think retailos does either, but I could be wrong about retailos (too much data giving fake swp instructions, I may have missed a real one). |
12:27:35 | jhMikeS | the H100 and the H10 both have a nice solid case and buttons compared to others. |
12:28:17 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: no, I've never seen it. my understanding that hardware somehow supports mutexing. |
12:30:44 | jhMikeS | at least the locks wouldn't be spinlocks but would have some sort of sleep until the other core exits the critical section. |
12:32:26 | jhMikeS | COP/CPU_CTL does that function but in a really limited way via delaying. there'd have to be more than that though. |
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12:39:11 | B4gder | < 5 minutes build time for 65 builds is very neat |
12:40:17 | pixelma | > 30 commits yesterday and today is also :) |
12:40:22 | jhMikeS | if all retailos does is use the cop like a worker and tell it what to do through mailboxes then maybe that's it. I think such a multicore kernel implemention in rockbox to support one particular processor version would just be a bad approach. |
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12:43:59 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Hi. When you next get a chance, could you test if the svn version of e200rpatcher (and the patching application in bootloader/) is still working for you? It doesn't work any more for JdGordon (application gets uploaded, but doesn't appear to run), and the person trying to get it working on windows has reached the same issue. |
12:44:12 | barrywardell | yes, I can test now... |
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12:47:07 | pixelma | one has to love progress bars that go to 100% at a reasonable speed and then just sit there for a while... |
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12:48:01 | GodEater | progress bars as implemented by Microsoft = Software implementation of Zeno's paradox |
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12:48:33 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I still have the old problems uploading the application |
12:48:46 | barrywardell | linuxstb: but when it finally uploaded, it seems to work |
12:49:32 | barrywardell | (it uploaded the fifth time I ran e200rpatcher |
12:49:33 | barrywardell | ) |
12:55:44 | bluebrother | B4gder: you noticed that the c200 manual now builds? |
12:55:59 | B4gder | no... time to add it then |
12:57:57 | B4gder | hm since when? |
12:58:46 | B4gder | it doesn't build for me |
12:59:13 | bluebrother | it doesn't? Since pixelma added the missing player image yesterday. |
12:59:32 | B4gder | my "make manual" sticks |
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13:00:03 | B4gder | http://pastebin.com/m5201448b |
13:00:42 | bluebrother | hmm −− right. |
13:00:52 | bluebrother | strange it worked for me before. I'll have a look |
13:00:56 | pixelma | bluebrother: did you add the platform file? Did I miss it? |
13:02:38 | pixelma | oh, sorry. Yes I did miss it *goes to the back of class* |
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13:09:05 | pixelma | bluebrother: when I try to compile the manual it hangs in a different place |
13:09:14 | bluebrother | B4gder, pixelma: I did a quite dumb mistake when adding the platform file. Fix committed ... |
13:09:57 | B4gder | hehe |
13:10:15 | * | bluebrother goes stand in the corner |
13:10:52 | pixelma | welcome |
13:11:39 | bluebrother | thanks |
13:12:38 | pixelma | now the manual is building for me |
13:12:48 | B4gder | yeah for me too |
13:13:08 | * | B4gder reruns the builder script |
13:13:38 | pixelma | but I'm not sure if it should be already provided since some things don't work as advertised yet |
13:13:57 | B4gder | but isn't it better with this than without any manual? |
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13:15:12 | bluebrother | I think it's better to have it around so people can find issues. More eyes :) |
13:15:12 | pixelma | is everything up and running to install the bootloader through "official" means already? |
13:15:31 | B4gder | not quite yet, but really soon now |
13:15:39 | bluebrother | linuxstb wanted to release a new ipodpatcher soon. |
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13:16:27 | pixelma | well, ok. There is also an Ipod1g/2g manual so it should be treated the same, I think |
13:16:30 | B4gder | anyway, I've built the c200 manual and synced it off to the download master |
13:16:41 | B4gder | so within an hour the download servers should have it |
13:17:20 | pixelma | and I just answered someone who already reported "issues" to wait for the manual... |
13:17:30 | pixelma | ^in th forum that is |
13:17:35 | pixelma | *the |
13:17:36 | B4gder | yes, I noticed |
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13:21:42 | linuxstb_ | Should I build a new sansapatcher release? Seems the c200 works fine, but the latest e200 bootloader seems to be causing issues... |
13:22:35 | Isolinear | <−−- iPod user. |
13:22:45 | linuxstb_ | barrywardell: Thanks for testing. I've no idea what we can do to make it more reliable though... |
13:23:50 | Isolinear | So I've been trying to work with this multifont patch... |
13:24:00 | Isolinear | What does the %e tag do? |
13:24:08 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: I have the same reliability issues with e200tool, so it's either a libusb problem or a problem with the usb code in e200tool |
13:24:28 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: do you want me to test the e200 bootloader too? |
13:24:45 | linuxstb_ | Sure, people seem to be reporting that it's not loading the OF correctly. |
13:25:01 | linuxstb_ | Although that's not universal - it's working for some people. |
13:25:23 | barrywardell | ok, I'll test it on my Sansa |
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13:35:30 | Zagor | Isolinear: sounds like something the patch adds |
13:36:48 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: there's a missing message on line 52 of sansaio-posix.c |
13:38:10 | barrywardell | linuxstb_: but loading the OF works for me |
13:39:43 | Isolinear | Has the patch been documented at all? I didn't even know there was a %e tag until I was digging through a .wps file that utilizes it... |
13:39:59 | Isolinear | It'd be nice to know what I'm working with... lol |
13:41:52 | linuxstb_ | Isolinear: I would just look at the patch itself, and see what tags it adds. |
13:42:19 | * | pixelma can set time/date and foreground/backfground colour correctly on her c200 :) |
13:42:31 | pixelma | *background |
13:42:43 | Zagor | Isolinear: which patch is it? is it in our tracker? |
13:43:42 | Isolinear | Zagor: lol.. I was just thinking that... Gotta cut me some slack, I forgot the tracker existed because A: I've kinda been out of the scene for a while and B: it's 4:42am... ;) |
13:44:39 | Zagor | no worries. it's just difficult to give meaningful answers without knowing what you are looking at. |
13:44:52 | Isolinear | Indeed. |
13:45:14 | Isolinear | Hmm... |
13:45:19 | Isolinear | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5901 |
13:46:31 | pixelma | Isolinear: when searching the tracker for multifont I get 2 hits - the other one tells you something about the %e tag ;) |
13:47:23 | pixelma | ah no, that's the one you linked to |
13:47:37 | Isolinear | Yeah.. I'm trying to understand that syntax... |
13:47:50 | Isolinear | Looks like it specifies coordinates and color information... |
13:48:31 | pixelma | seems I need glasses - look at FS #5900 it's explained there |
13:49:14 | pixelma | (new glasses...) |
13:49:30 | Isolinear | So basically if I want to specify a different font for a line, I need to also specify position/color? |
13:49:49 | Zagor | with that patch, yes |
13:49:55 | Isolinear | Ouch. |
13:50:04 | Isolinear | The position and color were just fine as they were... lol |
13:50:34 | Isolinear | Seems to be a quick and dirty patch. |
13:51:41 | Zagor | well, it's a solution for his specific need. not suitable for commit IMHO |
13:52:04 | Isolinear | Yes, but it certainly has potential... |
13:52:20 | Isolinear | Multifont makes for pretty WPS's... :) |
13:52:53 | Isolinear | The way it is makes for a lot of bloat though... |
13:53:00 | Zagor | sure. but multifont is #4733. #5900 is just this "custom wps line" patch, that adds to the multifont patch. |
13:53:14 | Isolinear | Ahhh... |
13:53:57 | Isolinear | I was going to say, if I need to specify a hex color code for every line that uses a different font... |
13:54:04 | Isolinear | lol |
13:54:27 | Zagor | however #4733 apparently doesn't allow multiple fonts on the same screen, so it's not what you're looking for either |
13:54:39 | Isolinear | Exactly. |
13:54:48 | Isolinear | It is kinda nice though... |
13:55:05 | Isolinear | For example, use a big font on the WPS, and a smaller one in long lists.. |
13:55:16 | Isolinear | That's what I've done so far. |
13:55:42 | B4gder | http://marc.info/?l=rockbox&m=119015365746358&w=2 |
13:55:53 | B4gder | my post on the topic, a bit over two years ago |
13:57:06 | Zagor | B4gder: heh, anything wrong with our own mail archive? :) |
13:57:07 | B4gder | "Use different fonts for different parts of the WPS." was even posted 2002-12-13 |
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13:57:17 | B4gder | Zagor: marc has a search |
13:57:20 | Isolinear | lol |
13:57:21 | AnarchoVegan | Hi Everyone |
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13:57:32 | Zagor | well so do we |
13:57:45 | B4gder | well, sure, but less good |
13:57:52 | pixelma | B4gder: a nice start would be the possible to set a different font for the remote |
13:58:01 | B4gder | yeah |
13:58:03 | pixelma | *possibility |
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13:58:06 | AnarchoVegan | Umm, how do you convert movies to MPEG with WINFF in Ubuntu Linux? |
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13:58:24 | B4gder | having the same font on the remote really is lame |
13:58:27 | Isolinear | I see radio mentioned which reminds me, does rockbox at all support the Apple radio remote? |
13:58:35 | bluebrother | AnarchoVegan: you don't. You use a program that runs on linux. |
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13:58:43 | bluebrother | for example vlc |
13:58:45 | Isolinear | Or would I need to boot to OF to use that? |
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13:58:48 | AnarchoVegan | I see :D |
13:58:48 | B4gder | Isolinear: no, we speak of internal fm |
13:58:56 | Isolinear | Gotcha. |
13:59:00 | Zagor | AnarchoVegan: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#How_to_encode_files |
13:59:09 | AnarchoVegan | Are there any GUI media converters for linux? |
13:59:18 | bluebrother | pixelma: rbutil should be able to detect and install on the c200 now. I would be interested in reports ... ;-) |
13:59:25 | AnarchoVegan | in winff, it flashes for a millisecond and doesn't encode anything :( |
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13:59:45 | Zagor | AnarchoVegan: read the page |
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14:00:14 | bluebrother | there is kmencoder as frontend to mencoder for example. No idea if / how good that works. |
14:00:47 | AnarchoVegan | ooo thanks, ill have a look at that |
14:01:23 | Zagor | yeah, anything to avoid reading the answer to your questions... |
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14:02:23 | gammy | mencoder is surprisingly straightforward though |
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14:06:13 | bluebrother | pixelma: do you think we should start referencing rbutil in the installation instructions in the manual? |
14:06:18 | * | Nico_P wonders what FS #7807 (gzip/gunzip port) could be useful for... |
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14:07:44 | Zagor | good question |
14:07:49 | Zagor | dionoea? |
14:11:21 | Zagor | linuxstb_: is there a reason why nonverbose calls to printf don't just return in bootloader/common.c ? |
14:12:31 | barrywardell | Zagor: because if an error happens later, it's nice to have all the printf output |
14:12:47 | Zagor | ok, good point |
14:14:04 | AnarchoVegan | yay, gmencoder installed :=) |
14:14:54 | AnarchoVegan | Im off now, cya everyone |
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14:33:18 | Ren | Received Sansa E280 last evening - charged up and immediately load RockBox. RockBox seems to work well. Tried to dual boot and test appears on screen, fades away after a few seconds and that is where the Sansa stays. Not sure how to proceed |
14:34:20 | Ren | When I conect to USB port same thing happens |
14:34:43 | linuxstb_ | Ren: A few people seem to reporting that. As a test, could you try running this (older) version of sansapatcher? http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/e200/v0.2/win32/sansapatcher.exe |
14:34:58 | linuxstb_ | You'll need to restore the OF on your Sansa using "recovery mode". |
14:35:04 | linuxstb_ | (OF = original firmware) |
14:35:33 | Ren | ok - will I find procedure in the Rock Box manual or other |
14:36:06 | linuxstb_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
14:36:54 | pixelma | bluebrother: I admit that I didn't follow rbutil development closely - how well does it work on all the different systems and different targets? |
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14:37:12 | Ren | Thank You I will undertake this action when I return from work later today and report back here if that is helpfl.... Nice to have such a great group to ask these tpes of questions. Have a great day |
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14:38:57 | bluebrother | pixelma: well, it still needs testing but from all test I was able to do it worked fine. |
14:39:26 | bluebrother | I can provide you an updated w32 binary which should be able detecting and installing on the c200 if you'd like to try |
14:41:03 | pixelma | maybe we could mention it as an alternative for now, but that could also get confusing... |
14:41:37 | bluebrother | my idea was to split up the installation in "automated" and "manual" installation |
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14:42:07 | pixelma | bluebrother: probably I should test it at least one time (with the other targets as well) |
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14:42:52 | bluebrother | pixelma: I build an updated binary from current svn http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/rbutilqt.zip |
14:43:22 | bluebrother | unfortunately I only have two targets to test |
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14:44:58 | pixelma | I only have one more since wednesday |
14:45:55 | pixelma | but the idea to mention both and split it up into automated and manual installation sounds reasonable to me |
14:46:28 | Crackerizer | Hello everybody, |
14:46:59 | bluebrother | I think we shouldn't dump the manual installation at all −− if rbutil becomes the official method the manual instructions should be still available imo |
14:47:14 | bluebrother | my idea was to move them to the appendix. |
14:47:21 | Crackerizer | I just want to tell that rockbox is rock like it name.. |
14:47:45 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: IMO the main work remaining on rbutil is to add more explanatory text to guide users through the installation (things like closing itunes (and enabling its "use ipod as a disk" option), mounting/unmounting drives etc). Maybe we could have something like an "rbutil cleanup week", where we ask people to test rbutil, and help write such text and clarify error messages etc.. |
14:48:01 | Crackerizer | thank you everybody here for make it happen... |
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14:48:12 | bluebrother | linuxstb_: sounds like a good idea. |
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14:48:27 | pixelma | bluebrother: I do need to run rbutil.exe with admin rights? <- shows how much I know... |
14:48:31 | bluebrother | I'd also like to see the usb pid detection. |
14:48:32 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: And I agree we should keep the non-rbutil install instructions visible. |
14:48:48 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: feature freeze ;) |
14:48:52 | bluebrother | pixelma: only if your installation depends on ipodpatcher / sansapatcher |
14:49:12 | bluebrother | linuxstb_: well, that feature is already in, it's just missing for w32 ;-) |
14:49:22 | pixelma | ah, thanks |
14:49:27 | bluebrother | (and only for the bootloader installation) |
14:50:36 | linuxstb_ | bluebrother: I don't know if you've seen them, but I've read a few reports recently when rbutil fails to detect an ipod (or maybe a sansa), but the *patcher.exe succeeds. I can't think why that could be... |
14:51:43 | pixelma | hmm... should rbutil be able to auto detect my M5? It finds the drive but doesn't close the dialog |
14:52:11 | bluebrother | it can detect all players that have Rockbox installed. |
14:52:31 | bluebrother | autodetection won't close the configuration dialog as you might want to change other things as well ;-) |
14:53:59 | pixelma | well, if I close it, a message pops up that the configuration is invalid and prompts with the same dialog again... |
14:54:41 | bluebrother | hmm −− you closed it with the Ok button? |
14:55:10 | pixelma | yes |
14:55:29 | bluebrother | and I assume the values it autodetected are correct. |
14:55:31 | pixelma | and of course I have rockbox installed |
14:56:44 | pixelma | seems like it doesn't autodetect all values, just the drive letter |
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15:01:24 | freq32 | does rockbox play mp4 ? |
15:01:44 | linuxstb_ | You need to be more specific - what kind of "mp4" ? |
15:02:08 | Isolinear | 10 bucks says .m4a... |
15:02:10 | Isolinear | :P |
15:02:23 | freq32 | i actually have no idea, .mp4 files you download from podtropolis |
15:02:31 | linuxstb_ | Are they audio files, or video? |
15:02:35 | freq32 | video |
15:02:42 | linuxstb_ | Then, no. |
15:02:43 | Isolinear | Ooooh.. |
15:03:01 | pixelma | bluebrother: I selected the target myself now and installed a current build, worked correctly. Another question where does rbutil take the themes from, to me the selection looks like X5 themes (which would still work) but I'd expect to be more... |
15:03:02 | freq32 | ah. so how are you guys vieweing movies? on the original OS? |
15:03:19 | linuxstb_ | freq32: On which original OS? Rockbox runs on about 20 different mp3 players... |
15:03:31 | freq32 | Sorry i forgot to say im using ipod video |
15:03:41 | bluebrother | pixelma: the themes are taken from rockbox-themes.org |
15:03:54 | pixelma | yes, but which section? |
15:03:55 | linuxstb_ | freq32: Read this page - especially the introduction. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
15:04:06 | freq32 | thanks |
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15:05:19 | bluebrother | hmm, seems like the themes for the x5 are used. |
15:05:30 | pixelma | bluebrother: the list has all the X5 themes that work without patches, the greyscale ones are missing |
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15:08:41 | bluebrother | pixelma: fixed and updated the binary |
15:08:47 | pixelma | the OndioFM is autodetected correctly |
15:08:53 | Nullbyte | Hey, when will rockbox support 6th generation iPod? |
15:09:15 | bluebrother | Nullbyte: nobody knows. Don't hold your breath, probably this will happen never |
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15:09:29 | Nullbyte | Oh, that sucks :/ |
15:10:02 | pixelma | bluebrother: I wouldn't call v2.5 recommended though |
15:10:14 | bluebrother | the 6G is completely different to the other Ipods. |
15:10:43 | GodEater | well, perhaps similar to the 2G Nano - but we don't support that either |
15:11:56 | * | pixelma installs her own wps through rbutil... :> |
15:16:36 | pixelma | bluebrother: auto detection also doesn't work for the C200 |
15:16:49 | bluebrother | hmm :/ |
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15:24:51 | pixelma | when I select it myself and the try to install the bootloader, I first get "Bootloader up to date, install anyways?" > "Yes" > "No sansa found" |
15:25:19 | bluebrother | hmm. The sansa is detected by its disc layout, isn't it? |
15:26:02 | pixelma | I have no idea. |
15:26:03 | linuxstb_ | Yes, plus the contents of the firmware partition. |
15:26:11 | * | bluebrother wonders if its possible to fake the sansa's disc |
15:26:32 | linuxstb_ | See the is_sansa() function in sansapatcher.c for the detection. |
15:27:20 | bluebrother | ok. |
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15:40:55 | craver | what program are u using to organize your music? |
15:41:03 | craver | that can work well with rockbox album art |
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15:45:49 | petur | album art is not officially supported |
15:46:02 | craver | so forget the AA |
15:46:06 | craver | what are u using? |
15:46:18 | petur | windows explorer :) |
15:46:26 | sgsax | what do you mean by "organize"? |
15:46:41 | sgsax | the database will sort your files out for you, as long as they are tagged properly |
15:46:46 | craver | i got tons of music i want to tag |
15:46:50 | sgsax | no matter what your file/directory structure is |
15:47:21 | craver | like i got some radiohead songs titled as "radiohead" and some as "radio head" |
15:47:29 | petur | I use /music/A/Artist/AlbumName/01 - song.mp3 |
15:47:29 | craver | something to fix all these |
15:47:33 | linuxstb_ | I don't use them, but I've heard people mention GodFather and Media Monkey |
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15:47:43 | craver | petur - r u doing this manually? |
15:48:08 | sgsax | what os? |
15:48:13 | craver | win xp |
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15:48:16 | petur | I started like this when converting all my CD's |
15:48:28 | * | GodEater did too |
15:48:55 | * | GodEater observes cynically that most people with tagging "problems" have downloaded there music collection |
15:49:07 | sgsax | if you were running *nix, I'd say you could do a bit of clever scripting if the file titles were useful |
15:49:10 | * | linuxstb_ does a similar thing, but /music/Artist/Year-AlbumName/NN-Trackname.ext |
15:49:20 | craver | nice |
15:49:23 | * | petur also has /music/A/Artist/_Live_/Date_Location/01 - song.mp3 :) |
15:49:26 | craver | well ill try godfather |
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15:50:58 | sgsax | most of my collection I "acquired" using streamripper |
15:51:33 | sgsax | so I have hundreds of tracks in genre folders |
15:51:57 | sgsax | not much sorted by artist/album other than what I ripped off my own cds |
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15:56:14 | pixelma | bluebrother: the M5 auto detection seems to work now with the newer binary, themes selection looks also correct |
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16:00:51 | dionoea | Zagor: ? |
16:01:08 | bluebrother | nice :) |
16:01:50 | Zagor | dionoea: we (I and nico) were a bit curious about the purpose of your gzip plugin |
16:02:28 | bluebrother | hmm, building sansapatcher requires bootimg_c200.c. Where can I find it? |
16:02:46 | Zagor | bluebrother: build the c200 bootloader |
16:02:51 | dionoea | Well in fact i don't really know :) One of the ideas I had was to implement an "automated rockbox update" where you'd simply put a rockbox.tar.gz file in your player's root and it'd install it |
16:03:35 | bluebrother | Zagor: ok, me is blind ... overlooked that bootimg_c200.c isn't the required file but the dependency :( |
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16:03:47 | dionoea | I was kind of bored the other day so I figured that I'd give that port a try :D |
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16:05:31 | Zagor | dionoea: I guessed it was something like that :-) |
16:05:37 | dionoea | about the compression part (as opposed to decompression), i really don't know what it could be used for :) Maybe compress wav files until you get near a computer ? :p |
16:05:54 | Zagor | haha |
16:05:58 | Zagor | gotta go |
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16:07:32 | petur | zipping might not be such a bad idea... if you're out in the field recording and need more room, you could zip some stuff to make room :) |
16:08:43 | dionoea | do rockbox support recording to an efficient lossless format ? |
16:08:46 | dionoea | *does |
16:09:06 | petur | yes |
16:09:38 | petur | but you could have started in wav by mistake or because you weren't planning to record much |
16:09:46 | dionoea | hehe :) |
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16:10:17 | petur | in any case more use than some of the demo plugins we have ;) |
16:11:18 | bluebrother | do we have a dump of the firmware partition of an e200 / c200 around somewhere? |
16:12:01 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: There's already a wavpack encoder plugin IIRC. |
16:12:24 | * | bluebrother found something |
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16:14:06 | dionoea | while i'm here, anyone know if austriancoder is making progress with the usb stack/driver/whatever it's called? |
16:14:37 | petur | he's here ;) |
16:14:43 | amiconn | petur: Then use wav2wv.rock (if that still exists) |
16:14:44 | dionoea | ooh :) |
16:14:48 | petur | and yes, I think he does |
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16:15:27 | amiconn | dionoea: I would be more interested in a zip/unzip plugin. The build system builds .zip by default... |
16:15:35 | petur | amiconn: ok, fair enough, so no zip requirements unless you have other files in there ;) |
16:17:13 | dionoea | amiconn: well my next step is porting gnu tar. I think that i'll also have a look at busybox' libunarchive which seems to handle a bunch of formats (tar zip gz bz2 lzma...) but only on the decompression side |
16:17:35 | dionoea | I haven't had a look at the linux zip/unzip source code yet. |
16:17:50 | linuxstb_ | I can see a use for having unzip in the plugin lib - so things like the emulators can load romsets directly from zip files. |
16:18:06 | linuxstb_ | dionoea: info-zip should port relatively easily - it runs on about 100 different OSes... |
16:18:08 | bluebrother | hmm, my forged e200 gets detected nicely. |
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16:18:31 | dionoea | linuxstb_: ah nice, i'll have a look |
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16:19:34 | bluebrother | dionoea: I did some (really basic) tar handling in my tar themes installer −− see FS #6156 |
16:20:00 | dionoea | yeah, you told me that yesterday :) i haven't forgoten |
16:20:06 | bluebrother | but me ;-) |
16:20:12 | dionoea | hehe |
16:20:26 | bluebrother | well, I remember noting it a while ago but I wasn't sure if it was you, so ... |
16:20:31 | * | bluebrother feels old |
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16:30:44 | dionoea | Gra ... unzip uses a lot of mallocs :/ |
16:32:20 | dionoea | ah, looks like some of those can be removed using the appropriate defines |
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16:43:47 | TMM | I've ordered the iAudio7, is anyone else also interested in working on it already? or is it a bit too early to start finding 'friends'? :) |
16:44:29 | GodEater | never too early |
16:44:37 | GodEater | the forums have a larger audience though |
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16:45:33 | daurn|laptop | what are the chances of running rockbox in a sim on the iphone? |
16:46:03 | GodEater | has anyone ported SDL to the iphone yet ? |
16:46:19 | daurn|laptop | no idea |
16:46:27 | GodEater | that would be the first thing to find out |
16:46:32 | Soap | and the wiki is really the correct place for placing static information (board scans, etc) so your best bet is probably a multi-pronged attack. Starting a wiki page with all info found (and unfound) a forum thread in New Ports announcing your intent and needs/abilities, and a mail to the dev mailing list also announcing your intentions and capabilities. |
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16:46:34 | GodEater | cos if no-one has, then the chances are < 0 |
16:47:06 | daurn|laptop | TMM: step one (before recruiting) is to open her up, and take lots of pics and/or scans |
16:47:12 | Soap | Oh, and if the above was not obvious - it was intended as a response to TMM and his porting desires. |
16:47:38 | daurn|laptop | then post on forum "Who wants to help, lets get started by finding out what components these are!" |
16:47:40 | * | bluebrother fails to forge a c200 :( |
16:47:45 | TMM | yeah, I read all the stuff about new ports :) |
16:48:00 | TMM | I even kind of learned about JTAG from a collegue of mine |
16:48:13 | TMM | and I'm trying to mentally prepare myself on opening up a brand-spanking new mp3 player |
16:48:23 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
16:48:26 | TMM | I even got a flatbed scanner :) |
16:48:33 | * | GodEater thought only apple fanboys needed that sort of prep |
16:48:39 | GodEater | in case they scratch their idol |
16:48:51 | TMM | it's more the mental leap of opening up a brand new toy |
16:48:57 | GodEater | and would have to do penance to the altar of Steve |
16:49:00 | sgsax | yeah, crack open that new $500^H^H^H300 iPhone :) |
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16:49:20 | daurn|laptop | for me, its a thing about breaking warrenty |
16:49:20 | TMM | it's more the idea of opening up a brand new player at $500 :) |
16:49:30 | GodEater | daurn|laptop: pansy :) |
16:49:36 | GodEater | how they gonna tell ? |
16:49:37 | daurn|laptop | but... as I usually import, warrentee is usually of no use anyway |
16:49:39 | TMM | I got a year extended warrenty that should cover 'dropping' it |
16:49:42 | daurn|laptop | broken seals |
16:49:48 | daurn|laptop | screw driver marks etc :P |
16:49:53 | * | GodEater didn't see any seals on his ipod |
16:49:58 | GodEater | and there aren't any screws |
16:50:05 | daurn|laptop | my serial number posted all over the internet in photos |
16:50:07 | Soap | The polar bears must have gotten to it first. |
16:50:15 | GodEater | daurn|laptop: that's pure paranoia now |
16:50:18 | daurn|laptop | GodEater: not everyone has an ipod :P |
16:50:25 | TMM | well, as long as I can make it look like it was dropped from a flight of stairs, I should be able to get a replacement anyway ;) |
16:50:35 | GodEater | daurn|laptop: indeed not, but there were also no seals on my H140, or on my Gigabeat F |
16:50:46 | GodEater | and I defy anyone to tell whether I've opened either of them |
16:51:07 | daurn|laptop | my archos had one of those warrenty void stickers |
16:51:11 | daurn|laptop | so did my psp |
16:51:22 | Soap | again, I think global warming and hungry polar bears have something to do with the lack of seals. |
16:51:53 | TMM | soap: do you think they just break them? you'd think they'd eat them |
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16:52:32 | daurn|laptop | TMm: break their neck / pierce their skin |
16:52:33 | * | TMM wonders how many times you can return a 'dropped' mp3 player before they get suspicious |
16:52:46 | daurn|laptop | TMM: until the warrenty runs out |
16:52:53 | TMM | 2 years then |
16:52:55 | TMM | yay! |
16:53:18 | TMM | I'm really wondering what arch is in that thing :) |
16:53:42 | TMM | I hope it's ARM, I already know ARM assembly (somewhat) |
16:53:51 | daurn|laptop | mmm |
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16:54:00 | daurn|laptop | I wish there were more hdd players around |
16:54:06 | daurn|laptop | Too many piddling flash players |
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16:55:32 | sr | hi! |
16:56:19 | TMM | daurn|laptop: AFAIK there won't BE any more HDD based players :( on account of hitachi stopping making 1" disks |
16:56:30 | daurn|laptop | 1.8"... |
16:56:40 | daurn|laptop | I want someting with at least 30gb |
16:56:55 | TMM | daurn|laptop: yeah, me too, but I couldn't find any non-apple branded device |
16:57:03 | TMM | daurn|laptop: so, I settled on the 16Gb iAudio7 |
16:57:17 | daurn|laptop | well, I'm about to settle for an 8gb iphone |
16:57:29 | TMM | no option, got an apple logo on it |
16:57:33 | daurn|laptop | but... its half because I need a new phone |
16:58:57 | TMM | then get a decent phone ;) |
16:59:17 | daurn|laptop | only other option is a samsung d900i |
16:59:28 | TMM | it's just my personal belief I shouldn't buy stuff from either apple or microsoft :) I don't care what YOU do with YOUR dollars |
16:59:34 | daurn|laptop | and I would like to get an iphone for the hell of it :) |
16:59:55 | TMM | daurn|laptop: there's a special place in hell for people that buy iPhones, very special ;) |
16:59:57 | aliask | Why not burn your money "for the hell of it" |
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17:00:16 | TMM | aliask: that's not as satisfactory as buying useless gadgets, I've tried it :P |
17:00:30 | daurn|laptop | cause if I don't like it, I can always sell an iphone on to some other person |
17:00:39 | aliask | I suppose |
17:00:43 | daurn|laptop | you can't sell ashes |
17:00:51 | daurn|laptop | well.... money ashes |
17:00:52 | TMM | daurn|laptop: yeah, you can pass it on, kind of like herpes :) |
17:01:11 | daurn|laptop | mmm, but with herpes, you can pass it on to as many people as you want |
17:01:13 | aliask | TMM: You got any idea what's inside the iAudio7? |
17:01:28 | daurn|laptop | you only get one iphone to pass on ;) |
17:01:32 | TMM | aliask: not yet, but I'm hoping to find out somewhere next week |
17:01:48 | aliask | Keep us posted, I'm curious at least |
17:02:16 | TMM | godEater: but, you have experience prying open mp3 players then? have you written up some tutorial on how to start dismantling devices? a generic guide on what to look for perhaps? |
17:02:31 | GodEater | TMM: erm - tiny screws ? |
17:02:35 | TMM | aliask: I'll do all the stuff in newports |
17:02:38 | GodEater | they're usually a dead giveaway |
17:02:44 | TMM | godEater: how many mp3 players have screws? |
17:02:51 | daurn|laptop | mine |
17:02:59 | TMM | godEater: I thought most where 'clicked' together, 2 shells |
17:03:00 | GodEater | 2/3 of mine |
17:03:08 | GodEater | only one which doesn't is the ipod |
17:03:09 | TMM | well, I can do screws! :) |
17:03:17 | GodEater | and there are plenty of guides on how to take those apart |
17:03:25 | GodEater | although it helps to have a special tool to do it |
17:03:34 | GodEater | or you risk slicing your hands to ribbons with a razor blade |
17:03:41 | daurn|laptop | uh |
17:03:46 | daurn|laptop | instructions on how to use a screw? |
17:03:48 | daurn|laptop | :P |
17:03:51 | TMM | godeater: I hate it when that happens |
17:04:03 | daurn|laptop | TMM: does it have a battery compartment? |
17:04:04 | GodEater | no, on how to dismantle an ipod |
17:04:31 | TMM | daurn|laptop: as of yet, I know nothing about the player, except for the burning hole in my pocket, and that it should arrive within the next couple of days |
17:05:00 | daurn|laptop | oh right |
17:05:02 | daurn|laptop | you don't have it yet |
17:05:05 | TMM | daurn|laptop: and I know that the factory firmware looks ugly as fuck |
17:05:10 | daurn|laptop | should be VERY easy once you get it |
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17:05:32 | TMM | well, opening her up is the bit I'm worrying the most about :) |
17:05:40 | daurn|laptop | look for screws... if none, look for a major seem, and pry it open with a laminated card (like the cheap ass library cards) |
17:05:47 | GodEater | TMM: I'm sure it won't be as bad as you fear |
17:05:48 | aliask | *seam |
17:05:56 | daurn|laptop | or a guitar pick |
17:06:39 | GodEater | yeah, the guitar pick option didn't work |
17:06:42 | GodEater | we did try for quite a while |
17:06:49 | aliask | Lies! I've done it with one |
17:06:53 | GodEater | seemed like a good idea at the time ;) |
17:06:55 | daurn|laptop | GodEater: seems there are iphone apps that use sdl already.... so there must be sdlsomewhere (though I can't find it) |
17:07:15 | daurn|laptop | eg, http://code.google.com/p/iphone-sdl-mame/ |
17:07:20 | GodEater | well that increases the chances of getting RBasAPP running on it then ;) |
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17:11:53 | Salokyn | Hi |
17:12:25 | daurn|laptop | hi... |
17:15:48 | advcomp2019 | TMM, i do not know if this makes any difference but there is photos of the iaudio6 opened up |
17:16:17 | TMM | advcomp2019: where? :) |
17:16:22 | TMM | advcomp2019: I don't know if it'll help either |
17:16:53 | advcomp2019 | TMM, here is http://www.iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9298 |
17:17:26 | TMM | advcomp2019: this might be helpful actually, it uses the swingtouch thing as well |
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17:18:55 | TMM | advcomp2019: no mention of the arch though |
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17:20:14 | GodEater | hmm - telechips |
17:20:18 | GodEater | is that the DAC ? |
17:20:33 | linuxstb | They make various SoCs, mostly ARM based. |
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17:20:44 | GodEater | ah |
17:20:59 | GodEater | there's your hint then TMM |
17:21:09 | GodEater | go hunt out that model of telechip |
17:21:32 | linuxstb | It almost goes without saying that they don't publish their datasheets... |
17:21:36 | TMM | it LOOKS like the iAudio7 is a flash based version of the iAudio6 |
17:21:53 | GodEater | linuxstb: of course ;) |
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17:22:08 | GodEater | where would be the fun in it for TMM if he could actually look stuff up ? |
17:22:30 | TMM | I'd like a datasheet ;) |
17:22:44 | GodEater | ah - you're one of THOSE developers :) |
17:22:48 | TMM | argh... they do wma decoding and drm shit |
17:22:54 | TMM | no chance of specs there |
17:23:06 | GodEater | *we* do dma decoding |
17:23:07 | linuxstb | TCC770 series - http://www.telechips.com/product/p_024.asp |
17:23:17 | GodEater | er |
17:23:20 | GodEater | wma decoding |
17:23:23 | GodEater | I'll get my coat |
17:23:26 | GodEater | someone call me a cab |
17:23:30 | TMM | godEater: the DRM stuff? :) |
17:23:40 | TMM | YAY! arm :) |
17:23:44 | GodEater | no - not the DRM stuff obviously |
17:23:51 | aliask | http://www.telechips.com/kor/inc/data_list.asp |
17:24:11 | TMM | datasheet |
17:24:17 | GodEater | aliask: easy tiger, he hasn't even taken delivery yet! |
17:24:50 | * | linuxstb gives up |
17:25:15 | GodEater | aliask - ah - another Uplink fan ;) |
17:25:16 | TMM | perhaps I'll just order ONE of those chips ;) |
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17:25:29 | aliask | GodEater: Hell yes :D |
17:25:36 | GodEater | hehe - a fine fine game :) |
17:26:05 | aliask | #rockbox-community |
17:26:06 | GodEater | RED CARD!!! |
17:26:25 | TMM | ok |
17:26:32 | daurn|laptop | GodEater: ok, there is no sdl package for the iphone, but it has been compiled IN various projects... |
17:26:48 | GodEater | daurn|laptop: you mean statically linked ? |
17:27:03 | daurn|laptop | yeah |
17:30:13 | * | GodEater wonders if anyone has ever tried compiling the RBSim with SDL linked statically |
17:30:22 | aliask | TMM: Nice work :) |
17:31:13 | GodEater | if not - post it on the wiki, there's a good chap ;) |
17:34:10 | daurn|laptop | haha |
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17:34:16 | daurn|laptop | lol |
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17:42:33 | daurn|laptop | Salokyn: SOMEONE will be... just not here tm |
17:42:35 | daurn|laptop | *atm |
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17:43:58 | aliask | I've (finally) managed to make a patch for merging the gigabeat S branch back into trunk, does anyone object to me committing it? |
17:44:46 | aliask | linuxstb / amiconn / Bagder ? |
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17:45:04 | linuxstb | aliask: I think the intention was to commit. ;) |
17:45:18 | aliask | Righto then |
17:45:24 | linuxstb | Maybe do it in small parts though - especially if you're changing a lot of existing files... |
17:45:40 | linuxstb | (I don't know if that's possible though...) |
17:45:49 | aliask | Well it is, but I don't see the point |
17:46:16 | aliask | I've checked it, and it should be fine |
17:46:23 | aliask | Doesn't seem to break other builds, and it compiles itself |
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17:47:03 | * | amiconn is curious what the status of the gigabeat S port is |
17:47:40 | aliask | Bootloader code runs on target, we've written drivers for a few things, but the whole MTP thing is really slowing things down |
17:48:03 | amiconn | MTP thing? |
17:48:09 | aliask | Also, the rockbox.gigabeats file doesn't want to boot, but that's probably some oversight in crt0.S |
17:48:31 | aliask | Well, we can't just transfer a new bootloader easily |
17:50:20 | Nico_P | aliask: there's no way to do it under linux, is there ? |
17:50:40 | aliask | Not that I've found yet, but it *could* be done, technically |
17:50:44 | amiconn | Hmm, isn't the gigabeat S i.MX31 based? |
17:50:49 | aliask | It sure is |
17:50:59 | Nico_P | aliask: I can test things if you have ideas |
17:51:38 | aliask | Nico_P: Well, the only idea I really have is to reverse engineer the windows updater and reproduce under linux |
17:52:06 | * | aliask holds his breath and hopes r14805 builds nicely |
17:52:21 | n1s | aliask: shouldn't it be possible too snoop the usb traffic between the gigabeat and the updater program? |
17:52:35 | aliask | Should be. |
17:52:46 | aliask | I'll look into it |
17:53:10 | amiconn | Iiuc it should be possible to adapt the usb stack code already in svn to provide ums mode on the gigabeat |
17:53:22 | aliask | That's my current plan |
17:53:26 | amiconn | (once the usb stack is working properly on PP502x) |
17:53:48 | Nico_P | aliask: you ought to talk to austriancoder |
17:53:58 | aliask | Yes, I need to work out what I need to do |
17:56:43 | aliask | brb, trying out a usb sniffer |
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17:58:20 | Nico_P | FS #7808 looks nice but the code is from an unknown person :-/ |
17:58:30 | pixelma | hmm... I thought shortcuts.c is now in plugins/SUBDIRS... |
17:59:11 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Yes, "this isn't mine, found it via google on japanese pastebin" isn't quite what we expect... |
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18:00:06 | Nico_P | I like the idea though |
18:00:58 | * | bluebrother spots red |
18:01:05 | * | pixelma wants a cookie |
18:01:57 | * | bluebrother has cookies next to the pc and hands out some |
18:06:15 | bluebrother | hmm, the download page shows a lot of "broken?" descriptions but downloads seem to work. Isn't this a bit confusing? |
18:06:34 | advcomp2019 | i was going to say that too |
18:07:45 | Nico_P | should I commit the trivial fix to the red line since aliask said he was "brb" ? |
18:07:52 | pixelma | someone against me fixing the red? |
18:07:54 | aliask | I'm on it |
18:08:04 | aliask | Doing a test compile to make sure it was only that one thing |
18:08:08 | bluebrother | oh, the fix-red-race? ;-) |
18:08:09 | pixelma | I already have it (and test compiled) |
18:08:16 | Nico_P | same here :) |
18:08:23 | aliask | Damn my slow box :P |
18:08:25 | pixelma | at least an Ondio build |
18:08:26 | Nico_P | let's let aliask commit the fix |
18:08:31 | pixelma | right |
18:08:32 | aliask | Thanks :P |
18:09:45 | Nico_P | aliask: why did you disable a bunch of plugins for the S ? |
18:09:47 | n1s | aliask: you disabled plugins for c200 again (in tools/configure) |
18:10:18 | pixelma | didn't spot that... thanks! ;) |
18:11:05 | pixelma | question is - are the other changes that I made for plugins on the c200 reverted as well? |
18:11:42 | Nico_P | pixelma: doesn't look like they were |
18:11:50 | aliask | pixelma: Almost definitely not - I cropped the diff only to files I knew needed to be changed, so I missed the configure problem |
18:11:50 | bluebrother | well, from the diff it doesn't look like −− no changes to plugin source files |
18:12:16 | aliask | No idea why the plugins were disabled though |
18:12:37 | pixelma | ah, yes, just the shortcuts.c |
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18:30:04 | low_light | aliask: gigabeat S section in configure is wrong...use swcodec="yes" instead of codecs="......" |
18:32:33 | aliask | low_light: Cheers. Must have changed - I just copied the gigabeat f one back in the day |
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18:37:12 | TMM | right then, time for bar |
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18:43:04 | low_light | Nico_P: regarding the new line selector...looks like it was done by midgey: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070730#09:26:31 (pastbin line a couple of line later) |
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18:49:18 | Nico_P | low_light: nice find |
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19:04:33 | izirku | hello everybody, I have a iPod Photo 60Gb and an iTrip the one that hooks to the top of the ipod, not a docked type, I can't find any information on how to get it to work... any suggestions? |
19:05:50 | izirku | Particularly, question is how to change frequencies without using original firmware? |
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19:11:38 | Soap_ | izirku: If I recall correctly that model is known not to be working at this time. See the wiki page IpodAccessories for specifics on that model. Note that I am 99% sure I have posted actual images for all models of the iTrip, because their naming is so confusing. |
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20:15:38 | Lars_G | Hi all. |
20:15:54 | Lars_G | Question. is there any foreseen change to the rockbox database format in the NEAR future? |
20:16:31 | bluebrother | I don't think so |
20:16:42 | Lars_G | thanks |
20:16:56 | Lars_G | Then I'll try to add rockbox database support to gpodder |
20:16:59 | bluebrother | but I might be wrong ... Slasheri is the guy behind the database |
20:17:12 | Lars_G | ok thanks |
20:17:19 | Lars_G | Slasheri: if you come around, please let me know. |
20:17:37 | Lars_G | bluebrother: If I manage to do this, and do a few other tricks, I'll be ready to ditch the ipod and go to the sansa |
20:19:42 | bluebrother | iirc the current code has some support for reusing it on a host pc. |
20:20:05 | Lars_G | bluebrother: What I want is to modify the gpodder so I can sync my podcasts to rockbox and use rockbox. |
20:20:28 | Lars_G | on the pc->rockbox side I want to add the copied podcasts to the db so they're listed as soon as it boots without a rescan needed. |
20:20:53 | Lars_G | on the rockbox->pc side I want to read the playcount from the database to decide if a podcast has been listened to or still new. |
20:21:02 | Lars_G | and, in the future, I'll possibly take bookmarks in account too. |
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20:21:23 | Lars_G | if the podcast was stopped less than let's say 60% or 75% from the end, it will be considered new even if playcount is more than 0 |
20:21:28 | Lars_G | those are the changes I'm doing now. |
20:21:50 | Lars_G | and it's what I need pc side, running on linux AND os x to switch my podcast syncing from itunes-ipod to rockbox. |
20:22:03 | Lars_G | on the rockbox side I need to fiddle some with bookmarks but otherwise... it's almost there. |
20:28:04 | pixelma | isn't that almost the same as what the lastfm log does? |
20:28:42 | pixelma | and this log file is plain text |
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20:30:01 | Lars_G | Hmmm could be |
20:30:18 | Lars_G | but I want to use the db so if other users want to use my code, they don't need to turn on the last.fm log to use it |
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20:39:25 | xoring | has the dual-boot issue on the E200R series been resolved? |
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20:41:38 | linuxstb_ | xoring: I don't think any developer with an e200(r) can recreate the problem... |
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20:43:02 | xoring | My brothers e260R is having that problem, I've tried the install procedure multiple times with three different firmware versions. Is there any information I can provide from his device that would help the devs? |
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20:50:00 | Slasheri | Lars_G: hi, not any big changes but i have some plans adding few more tags to the structure in coming next few months |
20:50:37 | Slasheri | Lars_G: if it's necessary to "stabilize" that structure, it could be possible to reserve a few unused tags |
20:50:46 | Slasheri | then it should be compatible in future too |
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21:25:04 | webguest55 | My iPod crashes when it intailizes the database and it hits 600 items. How can I fix this? |
21:25:09 | nev | hey guys |
21:25:14 | nev | whats up |
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21:25:38 | nev | i was wondering when rockbox will be out for the new ipod classic 80gb |
21:25:51 | krazykit | nev, whenever somebody starts a port. |
21:26:11 | nev | when is that? |
21:26:21 | krazykit | there's no timeline. |
21:26:29 | webguest55 | <b>Anyone? |
21:26:42 | webmind | nev, wil you ? :) |
21:26:59 | tumu | webguest55, try restarting rockbox |
21:28:07 | krazykit | nev, there's a little work being done, but it's not really a whole lot. new ports happen when owners of the device make it happen. |
21:29:11 | webmind | nev, donating one to an active developer sometimes helps :) |
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21:30:09 | webguest55 | I've tried that, tumu. |
21:30:11 | nev | haha |
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22:18:17 | bluebrother | Bagder: what do you think about adding a "how to identify your player model" link to the front page? |
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22:18:33 | Bagder | sounds like a good idea |
22:18:57 | Bagder | do we have such a page? |
22:19:12 | bluebrother | we could just use the DeviceChart page |
22:19:19 | Bagder | true |
22:19:30 | Bagder | that page lacks a couple of players now |
22:19:39 | Bagder | c200 comes to mind |
22:19:42 | bluebrother | or create a new one which separates by manufacturer and adds e.g. links to the apple identification page. |
22:20:05 | Bagder | yeah, I was thinking about those minor details that devicechart won't help people with |
22:20:47 | bluebrother | I could try starting such a page. DeviceIdentification? |
22:20:56 | bluebrother | IdentifyPlayer? |
22:21:06 | pixelma | Bagder: not that it hurts much but the c200 is also missing in the delta table |
22:21:13 | Bagder | IdentifyPlayer is probably closer to how people think |
22:21:35 | Bagder | pixelma: nope, it just has a weird column |
22:21:53 | Bagder | the first |
22:22:18 | pixelma | oh sorry, I looked for it somewhere in the near of the e200... |
22:22:34 | Bagder | yeah, it's a flaw that it isn't next to the e200. I intended it to be... |
22:23:43 | XavierGr_ | hmmm ok I think I grasped on how to write the alarm driver for H300 but how can I find which hex address is the register that the datasheet describes? |
22:24:30 | linuxstb_ | Which register/datasheet? |
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22:25:29 | XavierGr_ | eg. RTCSCA on the pcf50606 datasheet |
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22:26:31 | webguest48 | am i going to be able to play movies on my c200 in the future |
22:26:54 | * | bluebrother misses a real question |
22:27:04 | linuxstb_ | See firmware/driver/rtc/pcf_50606.c (and pcf50605.c - it's almost identical, but the 50605 (ipods) contains alarm code alread) |
22:27:04 | Bagder | webguest48: yes, probably |
22:27:16 | linuxstb_ | ^already |
22:27:22 | bluebrother | but only if there's good weather outside :) |
22:27:26 | pixelma | webguest48: yes, probably - you can already try but will only get audio.. |
22:28:10 | webguest48 | thank you for responding, in the future do you think i will get video as well or would my c250 not be able to handle it |
22:28:17 | XavierGr_ | linuxstb: thanks, do you know how they find those hex numbers? |
22:29:10 | pixelma | webguest48: I'm quite sure that it can handle it because the display is not very big, it just needs some more work on the lcd driver |
22:30:24 | webguest48 | this is outstanding news |
22:31:45 | pixelma | but usual warnings apply: we can't tell when that'll happen |
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22:34:18 | webguest48 | i will probably install rockbox on my c250 as soon as the official manual comes out, i could wait for the video function that is pretty sick if they eventually do manage to come out with it |
22:35:02 | webguest48 | rockbox is friggin awesome |
22:35:27 | linuxstb_ | The c250 should play video very well, because of the low resolution LCD. |
22:35:57 | webguest48 | if the video function were to come out, do you think it would be available over the next 6 months? |
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22:36:49 | bluebrother | webguest48: we don't estimate time frames. |
22:37:26 | webguest48 | that's understandable |
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22:38:49 | Bagder | linuxstb: seen this e200 bootloader thread => http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12762.0 ? |
22:38:52 | webguest48 | i'll be monitoring this c200 rockbox situation closely, thanks for all the info :) |
22:39:00 | Bagder | clearly something has broken recently |
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22:41:30 | Bagder | annoying |
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22:42:02 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: Yes, I've seen it... |
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22:45:17 | XavierGr_ | success! thanks linuxstb. |
22:45:50 | XavierGr_ | I didn't know it was that simple to enable the alarm on the H300. |
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22:46:54 | XavierGr_ | I finally managed to write and read on the alarm, tomorrow I will try to finish it |
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22:54:48 | n1s | XavierGr_: that's great news! does it need a bootloader update to work? |
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23:04:03 | Llorean | Bagder: What's interesting is I tested the newest (or second newest? The one with the screen glitch fix) binary sansapatcher before it was released and it worked fine on my e200. |
23:04:16 | pixelma | hehe, doom on the c200 |
23:04:40 | Bagder | Llorean: I suspect that there's differences between players or something |
23:05:27 | Llorean | Bagder: Seems likely. |
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23:06:07 | pixelma | wasn't that "screen melting" an issue in earlier development too (can't remember under what circumstances it occured but it was fixed by jhMikeS before, IIRC) |
23:06:29 | Bagder | I think the melting part is just it not being updated or similar |
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23:06:44 | Bagder | ie the code freezes/stops somewhere |
23:07:00 | Llorean | I think the screen melts during an OF boot anyway, while you sit and wait for it to decrypt |
23:11:05 | pixelma | maybe a stupid idea, could it be in any way related to the issue with some Nanos? Just throwing something into discussion without really knowing though... |
23:11:18 | Bagder | I don't think so |
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23:11:38 | Llorean | The Sansa accesses it's flash like an SD card, doesn't it, rather than ATA? |
23:11:40 | Bagder | but I'm not really anyone to tell for sure |
23:11:48 | Bagder | yes |
23:11:50 | n1s | I'm looking at FS #7774 and it adds a private function _gui_synclist_speak_item() and a public function gui_synclist_speak_item() to list.c any comments on such naming? |
23:11:54 | Bagder | it doesn't have ata at all |
23:12:09 | Llorean | So, assuming the Nano issue is ATA timing, it seems unlikely the Sandisk would be affected. But that's assuming we know what the Nano issue is. |
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23:14:15 | fm2 | How can I produce a string with the value of the current line number. There is a preprocessor macro __LINE__, but how to do it a string? |
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23:17:21 | fm2 | I tried this: "__LINE__" but it produces "__LINE__" |
23:18:01 | bluebrother | fm2: you could printf("%s", __LINE__) |
23:18:03 | n1s | fm2: can't you just snprintf() it into a buffer |
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23:18:54 | fm2 | And this: " ##__LINE__##". But doesn't work |
23:19:18 | fm2 | bluebrother, n1s: no, it should be a constant, it's used as an initializer for a const char* |
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23:21:02 | RogerBacon | can someone please tell me if the creative zen :M what is the type of hard drive connection ? ZIF 40 pin ? |
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23:21:56 | Bagder | RogerBacon: since it doesn't run rockbox, this isn't really a very good place to ask |
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23:23:45 | fm2 | Bagder: are you also a master of preprocessor macros (see question above)? |
23:24:11 | RogerBacon | badger : i know, but some people are interresting in porting rockbox on this player |
23:24:27 | Bagder | I don't think you can do it really safely, # __LINE__ could work but I don't think ansi defines in what order they should work |
23:24:43 | RogerBacon | and the dissection have alerady been made, so i was presuming that someone was know the answer |
23:24:46 | Bagder | fm2: I would rethink and do it differently |
23:25:10 | Bagder | RogerBacon: I bet there are such people who knows, I'm just suggesting there aren't that many around here |
23:25:12 | fm2 | Bagder: if I use #__LINE__ I get the message that __LINE__ is not a macro argument. |
23:25:33 | Llorean | RogerBacon: If there's not a wiki page for the port, then you'll probably need to find the actual people. |
23:25:48 | Bagder | ah, right # is only for arguments |
23:25:51 | amiconn | linuxstb: It's not granted that the c200 will play video well |
23:26:31 | amiconn | While it does have a low resolution, sandisk hooked up the lcd controller to the PP's mon/greyscale lcd bridge, not the color lcd bridge |
23:26:50 | amiconn | Atm it doesn't play video at all because lcd_yuv_blit() is an empty function |
23:27:55 | linuxstb_ | I wonder what framerate test_fps gives... |
23:28:06 | pixelma | why? Doom runs very smoothly.. ;D |
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23:28:56 | Bagder | now, which is the silliest target to run doom on? is it the c200? ;-) |
23:29:12 | n1s | RogerBacon: if you are talking about the zen vision m there's already a wiki page for it and that page states this " So far there have been two hard drives found in this device, a Toshiba MK3006GAL and the Hitachi C4k60 (pdf)-The Hitachi appears to be a zif connector while the Toshiba is an IDE" |
23:29:32 | linuxstb_ | Bagder: The h1x0 is pretty silly too... |
23:29:35 | pixelma | Bagder: it's not that bad once you get past deciphering the menu... |
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23:35:25 | * | n1s is trying out voice in the sim, :-) yay no more ploogins |
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23:40:25 | pixelma | test_fps gives... 1/1: 13.5 fps, 1/4: 54.0 fps, CPU at 30000000 Hz |
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23:41:30 | * | bluebrother started IdentifyPlayer −− please improve :) |
23:42:41 | n1s | pixelma: that would need improvement for good video playback... |
23:43:35 | pixelma | at 80000000Hz... 1/1: 36.5 fps, 1/4: 143.5 fps |
23:43:56 | iamben | dont most players' OFs use 15fps vid? |
23:44:40 | n1s | iamben: if it takes all available cpu to push 36 fps to the lcd only about half is left for decoding video/audio at 15 fps |
23:45:24 | iamben | gotcha |
23:45:56 | Dark_Apostrophe | Dudes, you're going to love this: http://thepiratebay.org/blog/86 |
23:46:34 | n1s | Dark_Apostrophe: that is more suited for #rockbox-community |
23:46:45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Sorry |
23:46:49 | Dark_Apostrophe | Funny never the less :) |
23:47:09 | amiconn | There are a few possibilities for optimisation in the driver (simpler lcd_wait_write() like the greyscale ipods, burst read from the framebuffer) |
23:47:34 | bluebrother | is the c200 colored? |
23:47:47 | jzoch | Can anyone assist me with the database? On my player it hangs on "Committing [9/9]" I finally gave up and killed it. |
23:48:00 | * | amiconn wonders what framerate current svn yields on 4th gen grayscale ipod |
23:48:11 | pixelma | bluebrother: no mine is black... but it has a colour lcd ;) |
23:49:04 | bluebrother | ok ;) |
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23:50:31 | * | bluebrother could have checked it the sim displays the logo colored or not |
23:51:20 | pixelma | or the player's drawings in the manual... |
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23:52:34 | amiconn | Hmm. The pp must have a speed setting for that lcd bridge somewhere |
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23:56:53 | n1s | So I think I'm going to commit this FS #7774 patch in a few days if no one objects to it (or does it before me) it adds about 500 bytes to a rec build but some of the patches that depend on it seem to get rid of a lot of code in other places so maybe some of it can be reclaimed... |