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#rockbox log for 2007-09-22

00:00:27eigmaDark_Apostrophe: that is awesome
00:00:54Dark_Apostropheeigma: :D
00:00:59eigmafm2: are you still having trouble with __LINE__?
00:01:14eigmaboo, they're gone
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00:08:38amiconnn1s: I didn't try that patch yet, but from reading I have to say I don't like the described changes in behaviour
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00:09:44amiconn(namely the shortened delays and the shutup)
00:10:17n1samiconn: with the talk clips in the file browser?
00:10:30amiconnAnd also the continuous speech might be problematic, testing on Sansa is not representative as it is flash based
00:10:34amiconnn1s: yes
00:11:49n1samiconn: I have never used that feature so I can't comment, but I think I will try it out before committing anything, could you add your comments to the FS entry?
00:12:12amiconnI found another voice related problem (or rather, quirk)
00:13:09 Quit seablue ("life, death, life, death")
00:13:43amiconnIf menu voicing is enabled but initial screen is e.g. the file browser, the voice file is not loaded on boot but when first needed
00:14:39amiconnWhile on coldfire it's possible to move around the menu while the voice file is loaded in the background, PP targets appear frozen during this load operation
00:15:52n1samiconn: I have experienced three different bugs when using voice, 1) it hangs on the "shutting down" splash about half the times I shut down and it appears something times out and there's an unclean poweroff with playlist position, changed settings etc, lost...
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00:16:03amiconnAnd another one - my H10 reproducably freezes on shutdown if menu voice is enabled. I always have to disconnect the battery. This may be related to the PP5020 specifc problems
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00:16:31amiconnn1s: On what target?
00:16:45n1s2) "Loading" is spoken when auto change directory happens
00:16:48n1samiconn: h300
00:17:07amiconnFreezes became _very_ rare for me on coldfire since pondlife's (?) latest fix
00:17:13amiconnOn H1x0, that is
00:17:52amiconnI had a total of 2 freezes in several weeks. Before, I sometimes had several freezes per day
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00:18:09n1s3) one bug which is in the tracker, if i start up with autoresume the first menu item is not spoken when entering the menu, but I assume that is the same issue as your first.
00:18:12amiconn..and my H1x0 most often runs with speech enabled for in-car use
00:18:26RaZorbacKplease what does mean "stripping crs from patch"? i've just applied a patch, no errors but many of those "stripping crs"
00:18:44n1samiconn: that hang only happends when shutting down while playing back, without stopping first
00:19:02*amiconn _always_ stops playback before shutting down
00:19:02Zagorwhat is the status on the usb front currently? who is (if anyone) working on it?
00:19:11n1sRaZorbacK: that the patch contains dos line endings
00:19:19amiconn..and I wouldn't experience (2) because I also never use auto-change directory
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00:19:38pixelmahaven't experienced such severe voice related bugs on M5 either, only that when playlist ends and I'm dropped back to the filebrowser it doesn't speak the selected item (spelling) - it only starts talking when I start browsing
00:19:47amiconnBut the 'Loading..' splash has other effects - sometimes it's voiced twice when loading plugins
00:20:20RaZorbacKn1s: and does it mean the patch haven't been well applied?
00:20:22pixelmaI meant that I have voice set to spell the filenames
00:20:35peturZagor: austriancoder told me he had some code but no time, I asked him to put it online. I've been going through some tests and the code to fix stuff
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00:21:42n1sRaZorbacK: it only means that the patch command strippe dthose line endigns and used only unix ones, the patch should have applied fine if those are the only errors
00:21:53Zagorpetur: ok. so what is the state of the code? does anything work at all? are the basic structure complete and/or sound? etc?
00:22:16ZagorI'm considering diving into that
00:22:23RaZorbacKN1S: thank you
00:22:47peturZagor: the basics appear to work, the pc recognizes it as MSC. But the actual MSC driver isn't ready
00:23:34peturSome of the compliance tests also fail
00:24:14amiconnEven hardware bridges aren't always 100% compliant though
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00:24:49*bluebrother didn't want to turn down fm2 but just _had_ to comment on this menu reordering thing
00:24:59amiconnWhen I got my archos recorder and the usb controller for my amiga, it didn't want to connect first. Had to mail the usb stack's author and he had to implement a workaround
00:25:02peturthe tests also run much slower with the H10 connected compared to an usb stick
00:25:45amiconnThat stack isn't open source, unfortunately
00:27:51*petur walks around in the recording code and find things quite complicated
00:27:52n1spetur: how about with an h10 with OF?
00:28:08peturlet me try
00:28:08n1sfor comparing test speeds
00:28:28amiconnH10 OF usb is quite slow
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00:29:39Zagorpetur: could you whip up a quick wiki page with some info? i.e. where to find the compliance tests, how you've tested etc? and of course as much other info you feel like jotting down.
00:29:41peturhmmm the compliance tests run way faster with OF... more work there too
00:31:07Zagorwell, whenever you like. we have UsbSoftwareStack already, maybe it should be updated instead of writing a new.
00:31:41peturyes... I may have some time tomorrow...
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00:59:00n1sDoes anyone know the playlist code?
00:59:16*n1s looks in MAINTAINERS
00:59:44n1sbah, noone knows it...
01:00:18n1she isn't around very often :-/
01:00:40Zagorhe was here in may :)
01:01:03peturand recently on the ML
01:01:23Zagoryeah, I jumped when I saw that
01:01:48n1sthen he probably won't remember tiny details as in which conditions a particular function may be called...
01:02:14*n1s digs in the code instead
01:02:21Zagorhardeep is not human, so I actually wouldn't be surprised if he remembered...
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01:03:03Zagorheh, that sounded strange. it was meant as a joke. he's got a sharp mind.
01:03:11peturah ok...
01:03:30peturthe opposite of me then
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01:07:39Zagorheh, I'm scraping rust from him
01:08:09peturI thought he ran on the webserver...
01:08:19Zagorhe does
01:08:37peturfirst thing I did was check if the site was still up ;)
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01:10:52n1sOk so the "Shuffling" splash doesn't seem to make sense anywherere, so anyone against me just kinning it? :-D
01:11:36ZagorI don't mind
01:13:13pixelmadoesn't it tell you when you reshuffle the playlist or something?
01:13:51Zagoreven on my old archos with a 10000-file playlist it only shows for about one second.
01:14:03Zagorso I'd say it's mostly noise
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01:15:24pixelmacan't remember seeing it myself but I use the shuffle options very seldem - either I use "insert shuffled" or just listen to it ordered
01:15:38n1spixelma: it only splashes on automatic shuffles such as when auto changing dir or opening a new playlist file when shuffle is on but then it is only visible for a very short period as a "Loading" is displayed before it
01:16:01n1sok, I'll kill it and see if anyone complains
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01:22:36joecoolhey, anyone in here having luck running IPL's loader2 with rockbox?
01:23:42scorcheloader2 is unsupported here
01:24:21linuxstb_joecool: As long as you use the most recent version of loader2, it should be fine. But as scorche said, we can't really help with the details (we didn't write it).
01:24:33joecoolfigures, i'll bug someone at #ipodlinux then, i didn't "ask" if it was supported, i asked if it works
01:25:10scorchehowever, we "tell" you to read our guidelines before speaking ;)
01:25:59joecoolwell it might not be supported but it was rockbox related, so I figured I'd give it a go
01:26:14joecoolit's ok though, I'll figure it out
01:26:50scorche(for future reference rockbox related means relating to rockbox...not getting other software to work with rockbox)
01:27:29joecoolfine fine, lets not get too technical :P
01:27:31joecoolthanks anyway
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01:28:02scorchejust trying to clarify if anything is murky =)
01:29:29joecoolin any case, screw dual booting it at the moment, i might as well just get rockbox on at the moment, used to mess around with ipodlinux quite a bit in the past and figured it was only natural to give your firmware a shot
01:29:59scorchewell, triple booting
01:30:08scorcherockbox's bootloader can boot IPL as well
01:30:47joecooloh really, you guys actually have a more advanced bootloader now?
01:31:01scorcheit has been able to boot IPL for a long time..
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01:31:11pixelmawhat do you mean with more advanced?
01:31:12linuxstb_It could boot IPL before it could boot Rockbox...
01:31:35linuxstb_(as Rockbox didn't exist when the bootloader first worked)
01:31:39joecoolcan it boot stock too?
01:31:47linuxstb_(I mean Rockbox on the ipod)
01:31:58*linuxstb_ should try and get things right first time...
01:32:13pixelmasomeone with more forum rights should have a look at the recent posts...
01:32:34joecoollinuxstb_: i know, i used to play around with IPL when it first got on the 4G
01:32:59joecoolpixelma: I had assumed rockbox used its own loader capable of loading ONLY rockbox and not stock or IPL
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01:33:50scorchewell, the manual even tells you that it can boot the OF
01:34:02pixelmano it's able to triple boot and as already mentioned it has been this way for quite a while (you just don't get a fancy menu)
01:34:08scorcheas for it's linux booting capabilities, i thinkk that is a bit hidden
01:34:21scorche(which is faster as well)
01:34:40scorchepixelma: done
01:34:51peturpixelma: don't you have mod rights?
01:35:06pixelmanope, I'm just an artist
01:35:13joecoolyeah that works, it was my only concern before jumping to the firmware
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01:35:35peturscorche: what did you do, I just removed the link from the games post
01:35:37linuxstb_joecool: The Rockbox bootloader can triple-boot, but we don't want to slow things down with a menu. But as you know, if you want a boot menu, you can use loader2.
01:35:48scorchepetur: there was another post in another thread
01:36:12joecoollinuxstb_: no that's perfectly fine, i'm good without a menu... thanks for the help
01:36:20joecoolrather "clarification"
01:37:30scorchelinuxstb_: i am off to the post office
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01:46:03Budtardhi, does anyone know where to get a gameboy emulator for ipod?
01:46:56hcsBudtard: rockbox comes with one, rockboy
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02:08:56RenHereEvening Folks - I received new Snasa E280 - intalled rockbox pretty much out of the box all fine. Went to dual boot to load some files and it hangs, same with connecting to USB port just hang with a small amount of text on the screen then fades out. Need some help
02:09:16*scorche sighs
02:09:29chrisjs169RenHere, E280 or E280R?
02:09:36RenHereE280 no R
02:09:54chrisjs169ok, how'd you install Rockbox? with sansapatcher?
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02:10:22chrisjs169ok, what text appeared on the screen?
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02:12:07RenHerewill take me a little time to get to that state and I have very little time with the info on the screen before it FADES out - this moment I have the unit in the Revovery screen (16MG) but did not want to precede since I'm not familuar with that proceddure
02:12:19Dark_Apostrophemarkun: Are you around?
02:12:55chrisjs169RenHere, ok, I'm starting to blame sansapatcher now...
02:13:13chrisjs169RenHere, can you see what the last line says before it fades?
02:13:30RenHerechrisls do u have skype by any chance to chat on voice for a few minutes?
02:13:40linuxstb_Dark_Apostrophe: Any luck with your GB?
02:13:48chrisjs169RenHere, no, sorry
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02:14:00Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb_: That's what I'm working on
02:14:03chrisjs169RenHere, does it say "sansa key used" before fading?
02:14:05Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb_: Just opened it up
02:14:13Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb_: I got a question with regards to the guide
02:14:30Dark_Apostrophe# Re-attach the hard drive WITH THE GIGABEAT STILL TURNED ON! It's a usb drive so that kind of thing is ok.
02:14:30Dark_Apostrophe# Go to the Gigabeat drive in Windows Explorer and copy the GBSYSTEM folder to the Gigabeat as per the instructions in the manual.
02:14:39Dark_ApostropheFirst: I use Debian
02:14:46Dark_ApostropheSecond: Where do I find GBSYSTEM?
02:14:48RenHereok - I hope I can safely go back to the fail mode if I unplus ubs and just restart power normal I should come up in RB mode then I can try the dualboot and ctch info
02:14:51Dark_ApostropheI don't see it on the included CD
02:15:00Dark_ApostropheThird: Which manual?
02:15:25linuxstb_Dark_Apostrophe: Your gigabeat should have a GBSYSTEM folder there already - you'll be able to see it with whatever you use to look at files in Debian.
02:15:34chrisjs169RenHere, you shouldn't have any problems, but be sure to safely remove/unmount the Sansa if needed before disconnecting the USB cable
02:15:35Dark_ApostropheAh, ok
02:15:42RenHereI don't seem to recall that chris but it was very late like 2AM here when I found the dualboot issue so I will have to confirm
02:15:53Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb_: I thought it was meant that I copy the GBSYSTEM *to* the gigabeat
02:16:14chrisjs169RenHere, I have an old copy of sansapatcher, so you may want to try that after seeing what the last line says
02:16:32RenHeresounds gud I will be back as soon as I can get back to the text mode with info to share
02:16:55linuxstb_Inside GBSYSTEM is another directory called FWIMG, and inside there you should find a file called FWIMG01.DAT - that's the rockbox bootloader you need to replace with the newest version
02:17:25linuxstb_At the same time, you should install the latest Rockbox build.
02:17:36Dark_ApostropheSounds good to me
02:17:46chrisjs169RenHere, one possible problem - the copy of Sansapatcher that I have is Linux only - I'll see if I can find a Windows copy
02:18:28Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb_: Okay, so I move the BATTERY switch back to On, turn it on then when it fubars, I connect the drive?
02:19:14chrisjs169linuxstb_, barely beat me ;)
02:19:40linuxstb_Dark_Apostrophe: Sounds right to me.
02:19:57chrisjs169linuxstb_, is it possible that an SVN update messed up sansapatcher?
02:21:27linuxstb_I'm not sure what you mean
02:22:44chrisjs169I haven't tested sansapatcher recently, but now it seems that people with both the e200R and e200 are having trouble booting the OF (unless this time was just a user error)
02:23:24Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb_: So where do I find the latest versions of these files?
02:23:48linuxstb_Dark_Apostrophe: They're linked to in the manual.
02:24:18Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb_: Well, there is a link to GBSYSTEM
02:24:22Dark_ApostropheBut not anything else
02:24:32Dark_ApostropheExcept a splash screen
02:25:46linuxstb_Are you reading the manual?
02:26:13Dark_ApostropheI usually skim
02:26:19linuxstb_Install chapter, 2.2.4, ...
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02:27:32Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb_: Ooh
02:27:35Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb_: Didn't see that
02:34:53Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb_: It's not booting at all
02:35:27Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb_: I hold the power button, but nothing happens
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02:35:42linuxstb_Try toggling the battery switch.
02:35:59Dark_ApostropheThat might be a problem:
02:36:02Dark_ApostropheIt's not there :o
02:36:10Dark_Apostrophemust've fallen out
02:36:18linuxstb_Oh yes, be careful of that...
02:36:52Dark_Apostropheok, it booted now
02:38:55Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb_: my dmesg output
02:39:24Dark_Apostropheoh wait
02:39:25Dark_Apostrophenever mind
02:39:30Dark_ApostropheThat's my USB drive
02:39:34Dark_ApostropheFrom earlier today
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02:40:09Dark_ApostropheFrom line 544 is the gigabeat
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03:04:14linuxstb_joecool: Yes, but ipodpatcher > ipod_fw
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03:12:54jhMikeShmmm...there doesn't seem to be swp(b) problem on PP5020 after all but very odd stuff with IDE.
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03:16:40psycho_maniacis there a way to download the source tree to a different directory in vmware?
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03:21:34ddaltonaliask: around?
03:23:10ddaltonaliask: Does the c200 not support shortcuts.c
03:24:01aliaskIt should...
03:24:16ddaltonI am looking at your commit (14806)
03:24:30ddaltonyou removed it I think
03:24:52aliaskYes, I made a mistake though. I removed it because shortcuts is now in SUBDIRS, not SOURCES
03:24:56ddaltonfrom the sources file
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03:25:07ddaltonok then
03:26:02*AlexC lives in a house
03:26:48*XavierGr has a working alarm on his H300 :)
03:27:42psycho_maniacmaybe like this? svn co svn:// rockbox_modified ?
03:28:53aliaskpsycho_maniac: The last argument that svn co takes is the directory to write to
03:29:11psycho_maniacso then the answer would be "yes" ?
03:29:24aliaskIf you say so
03:29:40psycho_maniaci was asking you? i want to download the source to a different folder.
03:30:23aliaskThen yes
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03:30:45psycho_maniacthank you
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03:32:54TMMBagder: hi! :) are you there?
03:33:30TMMBagder: I need you for something quite specific, I'm not just being annoying :P
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03:35:38psycho_maniacTMM: just ask the question.
03:36:04TMMpsycho_maniac: this wasn't a question :)
03:40:00psycho_maniacanybody ever test out the infoNES plugin?
03:40:54joecoolmmm rockbox sounds damn good on my UM2's
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03:44:56RaZorbacKplease is there a commandd to update my source to a particular revision number?
03:45:47aliasksvn co -r 12345
03:45:55RaZorbacKok thanks
03:46:44Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb_: Are you around?
03:46:59Dark_ApostropheOk, I need help. :)
03:47:26Dark_ApostropheI tried replacing the files on the gigabeat with those downloaded from, but it's still not booting past the rockbox splash screen
03:47:36Dark_ApostropheI must've f*cked up at some point :)
03:47:46linuxstbHave you checked the disk for errors?
03:47:55RaZorbacKaliask: no enough argument
03:48:12Dark_Apostropheoh crap
03:48:17Dark_Apostrophedmesg's gone insane
03:48:20linuxstbfsck.vfat ?
03:49:00RenHereDual Boot failed on Sansa E280 without 'R' both startup and USB cable attached - Text Boot Up screen appears for ~ 1 second then fades - I know have all info from this fading screen and need some help - New RB user here
03:49:25RenHereknow= now
03:49:27aliaskRaZorbacK: Try svn co −−revision=12345
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03:54:32RenHereSansa Dual Boot Problem newbie needs help locks up
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03:55:51Dark_ApostropheOk, is there a way to just format my entire Gigabeat F-20 and install a whole new, fresh copy of Rockbox?
03:57:15kkurbjunthere's a tool from toshiba you should use if you formaat
03:57:23Dark_ApostropheI don't use windows
03:57:27Dark_ApostropheDoes it run under wine?
03:57:33kkurbjunnever tried
03:57:53kkurbjunthe gigabeat has a special way that sector 0 is written
03:57:53linuxstbDark_Apostrophe: Just backup GBSYSTEM, format, then restore it...
03:58:12linuxstbkkurbjun: Mine doesn't...
03:58:19Dark_ApostropheBut that contains an old version of Rockbox, does it not?
03:58:27kkurbjundid you replace the hard drive in the gigabeat?
03:58:36linuxstbDark_Apostrophe: Not if you updated it today.
03:58:38linuxstbkkurbjun: Yes.
03:58:48Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb: I did, but I'm not sure I did it correctly
03:59:16kkurbjunI had a heck of a time getting an apple formatted drive to work, I had to do a low level format, and then use the toshiba tool to get it in a format that the gigabeat would boot from
03:59:30Dark_ApostropheLow level format? :p
03:59:32Dark_Apostrophe:o *
03:59:42Dark_ApostropheNow there's a return to the 90s if ever there was one
03:59:47linuxstbkkurbjun: I just partitioned it with a single FAT32 partition, formatted it, copied GBSYSTEM, and was good to go.
04:00:05linuxstbI never tried the original firmware on it though, just Rockbox.
04:00:19kkurbjundo you know which version of the OF you have on the gigabeat?
04:00:22Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb: Can I just use a brand new GBSYSTEM folder?
04:00:30Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: OF?
04:00:49linuxstbkkurbjun: Sorry, no. It's a F20 if that helps (but now an F80).
04:01:15kkurbjunhow'd you fit an 80 gig HD in an F20? Did you replace the back?
04:01:22kkurbjunOriginal Firmware
04:01:30linuxstbYes, it has the back from an F40
04:01:41Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: I don't have the OF installed
04:01:57kkurbjunThe OF is still used to boot rockbox
04:01:59Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: I bought it off eBay and it came with rockbox already on, but wouldn't boot past the rockbox splash screen
04:02:07kkurbjunat least the flash portion of it
04:02:16Dark_ApostropheWell, I just got it today - I hardly know anything ;)
04:02:56Dark_ApostropheSo... now... what do I do? Please give me a step by step guide, other wise, I'm sure to f*ck up. :)
04:03:10Dark_ApostropheI tried following the wiki, but the gigabeat still won't boot
04:03:15kkurbjunwell, you might be fine formatting the hardrive normally
04:03:31kkurbjunfrom what linuxstb is saying it could be ok
04:03:46kkurbjunand I was replacing with a used apple formatted harddrive
04:04:08kkurbjundo you have a tool to check for bad sectors on the drive?
04:04:11Dark_ApostropheApple - what an insult to such a fine fruit
04:04:20Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: dmesg?
04:04:29XavierGrlinuxstb: do you have any idea why the code in rtc_pcf50605 wasn't imported on rtc_pcf50606, it works like a charm
04:04:29Dark_Apostrophescsi 4:0:0:0: rejecting I/O to dead device
04:04:29Dark_ApostropheFAT: Directory bread(block 526) failed
04:04:34Dark_Apostrophedmesg is full of those
04:04:59kkurbjunsounds like the drive might be failing
04:05:04linuxstbXavierGr: I think simply because preglow (who did the 50605 code) doesn't own a H300, and you're the first person to try
04:05:12joecoolhit it on the desk a few times
04:05:21Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: Brilliant - I bought a b0rked drive.
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04:05:38kkurbjunwell, try formatting it first
04:05:43XavierGranyway I uploaded the patch to enable the alarm for H300, task 7814 if nayone is interested to commit it
04:05:54kkurbjunif you have trouble its possible to fix the format
04:06:15kkurbjuni don't remember all the steps, but I'm sure they are in a log somewhere on
04:06:17Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: Ok, mkfs.vfat?
04:06:20XavierGrlinuxstb: also, do you have any idea why the alarm clock (on all targets) don't have date accuracy (like years, months) and only hours and minutes?
04:06:56XavierGrat least the pcf rtc can be triggered with an alarm set on a different month or year but currently the code will not permit it.
04:07:01kkurbjunseems right, I never did a fat format in linux
04:07:08kkurbjunor unix/ a derivative
04:07:22linuxstbXavierGr: No... Maybe the Archos devices only support hours/mins, so that's all the UI allows you to set, and preglow didn't want more.
04:07:41psycho_maniacanybody ever seen MikhailTkach from the wiki on here?
04:08:14psycho_maniacwhat is his irc nick?
04:08:23linuxstbSame as his wiki name I think
04:08:41XavierGrlinuxstb: I am writing a patch to unify the alarm screen with the time/date screen. It will vanish the alarm_screen.c file (maybe reduce the bin size too) and enable more accuracy on setting the alarm
04:09:03XavierGralthough again the drivers will have to change to set the alarm on months, years etc
04:09:30kkurbjunDark_Apostrophe, which size gigabeat do you have?
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04:10:26kkurbjunif you have to replace the drive the mk3006gal is a good one to do that with
04:10:38kkurbjunit's lower power than the mk2004 and you get more space
04:11:07kkurbjunthe gigabeat might have the mk2004 though..
04:11:12kkurbjunI mean 2006
04:11:29Dark_ApostropheIt says mk2006gal on mine
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04:12:00Dark_ApostropheOk, formatted it now.
04:12:03Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: Next step?
04:12:03kkurbjunahh, then it's the same power consumption as the 3006
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04:12:16kkurbjunyou need to copy the GBSYSTEM folder on
04:12:36Dark_ApostropheThe original or a new one?
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04:12:52kkurbjunthe original one
04:13:48kkurbjunthen put in the FWIMG we give on
04:13:58kkurbjunFWIMG01.DAT that is
04:14:19kkurbjunjhMikeS, are you around?
04:14:48kkurbjunthat commit I did on the M:Robe included some stuff for the gigabeat
04:15:01Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: k
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04:15:34kkurbjunand I was wondering if you still have a setup to measure power - there's a bit that's changed that /may/ reduce the power
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04:16:03kkurbjunok, extract or whatever it's named to the player
04:16:30ddaltonRaZorbacK: Why don't you update to the latest rev?
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04:17:12RaZorbacKddalton: cause i had a mail from stéphane who told me that is patch was broken by the 14750
04:17:26kkurbjunjhMikeS, it requires that a new bootloader is built though before any difference should be seen
04:17:35RaZorbacKbut anyway, i still have the 14740
04:17:48kkurbjunDark_Apostrophe, once you have that extracted, try booting the player
04:17:51RaZorbacKand the patch seems to have been applied successfully
04:17:55ddaltondo you want a combined patch he sent me that should work on the latest rev?
04:18:10Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: What about .rockbox?
04:18:19RaZorbacKddalton: thanks. He have sent it to me today
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04:18:46kkurbjunthat should be in the archive
04:18:57Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: I mean, do I copy that in too?
04:19:08kkurbjunyeah, everything in
04:19:13RaZorbacKi have to translate and test. got to apply your learning now :)
04:19:33jhMikeSkkurnjun: regarding what? what did I say about bootloaders?
04:20:01Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: And I stick it into the root directory of the gigabeat?
04:20:43kkurbjunjhMikeS, there is some new s3c... initialization code in SVN now
04:21:10jhMikeSI'm remeber now about that. I just wondered why an m:robe commit came with gigabeat code.
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04:21:42kkurbjunand there's a bit that I set that should save power on the gigabeats, I am pretty sure that it does, but I havn't done any power measurements
04:21:43jhMikeSwhat does it do for it anyway?
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04:21:56jhMikeSah, meter time. :P
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04:22:11kkurbjunIt seems like I get better battery life, but I may just be imagining things :)
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04:22:46ddaltonhey sdoyon
04:22:54jhMikeSI still haven't any real clue why it boots with high current before playing pcm. just too weird.
04:23:11jhMikeSmaybe that's gone now. who knows.
04:23:22ddaltonYour stephane right?
04:23:25kkurbjunyeah, I don't think my setting will effect that particular issue
04:23:26RaZorbacKhi sdoyon
04:24:06kkurbjunthe bit is in the BANKSIZE register if your interested
04:24:12ddaltonIf you are I am about to try out your patches
04:24:13sdoyonYes, I'm Stephane.
04:24:25ddaltonthought so
04:25:03kkurbjuna bit that was marked reserved in the docs was set to 1, and the one that's supposed to suspend the clock to the ram when your not accessing it was set to 0
04:25:41kkurbjunDark_Apostrophe, any luck?
04:25:59Dark_ApostropheWorking on it
04:26:03Dark_ApostropheSorry, newb. :)
04:26:11kkurbjunno worries
04:26:14XavierGrlet's see if my ISP will let me ask this
04:26:16XavierGrkkurbjun: any progress flashing Gigabeat?
04:26:20ddaltonsdoyon: Did you get the spelling patch working? The one that will voice all the chars in the rename screen?
04:26:25ddaltonand other screens like that
04:26:33kkurbjunXavierGR, I got distracted with a new port :)
04:26:48XavierGryeah and I hear it is a good one too :P
04:27:19sdoyonddalton: Yes, it should be working.
04:27:32ddaltonok good im going to try it
04:27:33RaZorbacKsdoyon: your patch seems to have been applied just have to test now
04:27:33kkurbjun:), it should be interesting adding a completely new way of interacting with the player
04:27:44ddaltonbut cygwin takes for ever to build
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04:29:55XavierGrwe need someone to flash the H300 too, booting is so much slower than the H100 :(
04:30:22linuxstbXavierGr: Go, go, go...
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04:31:11Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: YES
04:31:15Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: It seems to have booted :D
04:31:21XavierGryeah like I could.... I will brick it on the first test. And I don't have a BDM wiggler
04:31:46XavierGrthough Slasheri did it without one too, but he knew what he was doing
04:31:49Dark_ApostropheI have no idea how to handle the touchpad though :/
04:32:07Doomed_i would love H300 flashed
04:32:14jhMikeSkkurbjun: wouldn't be the first time I saw reserved bits needing to be 1. the sanyo tuner requires it but that fact is in the docs. the ram just a new bl?
04:32:27linuxstbXavierGr: I think he did brick his h140 eventually though (LinusN recovered it)...
04:32:38kkurbjunDark_Apostrophe, great to hear
04:32:43kkurbjunit booting that is
04:33:04Dark_ApostropheI see the menu
04:33:08KirbySo when is Rockbox coming out for the iPod "Classic"?
04:33:09Dark_ApostropheNo idea how to use the touchpad though
04:33:12kkurbjunjhMikeS, yeah, just a new bootloader
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04:33:23kkurbjunit works fine without the bit set
04:33:30kkurbjunthe reserved bit that is
04:33:37kkurbjunI've been using it that way for a while now
04:33:47XavierGrlinuxstb: yes but he managed that after he finished the flashing code. (or right before he released the bootloader)
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04:34:43ddaltonsdoyon: Can I test your patches with p7814 and p7682?
04:34:46kkurbjunI would have bricked the gigabeat many times over without a JTAG connector
04:34:46XavierGrwell it is beyond my mind, today was the first time I fiddled with a datasheet and drivers
04:34:53XavierGrI must say it was very interesting and fun
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04:38:53sdoyonddalton: possibly.
04:39:04ddaltonKirby: When a port is started and someone works on it
04:39:11*ddalton goes for lunch
04:39:27KirbyI hope that's soon
04:39:58sdoyonddalton: r14750 broke playing-time however, so try with r14749. Fix is trivial, I'll upload it shortly.
04:42:40RenHereSansa E280 can not dual boot back to OF screen fades out
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04:56:36Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: Mind helping me a little bit more?
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04:56:48kkurbjunwhat's the problem?
04:57:09Dark_Apostrophekkurbjun: I can't figure out how to use the controls :p
04:57:14ddaltonsdoyon: around?
04:57:23sdoyonddalton: yes
04:57:28kkurbjunhow do you mean?
04:57:55Dark_ApostropheI mean, whatever direction I push on the touchpad, it seems to go into some directory or open some file or whatnot
04:58:00Dark_ApostropheI just can't figure out how to work it
04:58:03ddaltonsdoyon: for your playing time patch was there a compile error? Or is it another patch I have here?
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04:58:21ddaltonbut yours is the only one that touches onplay.c
04:58:33sdoyonddalton: compile error. get_metadata lost its last arg.
04:58:44kkurbjundid you read this section of the manual: ?
04:58:47ddaltonsdoyon: what should I do?
04:58:51kkurbjunon the baisc controls
04:59:14Dark_ApostropheNo, I did not
05:00:20kkurbjunfeel free to ask if you have questions though
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05:01:21sdoyonddalton: edit onplay.c, search for get_metadata(, and delete the last parameter ", false".
05:01:38ddaltonyep found it line 481 so remove false?
05:01:58ddaltonand the ,
05:02:08sdoyonddalton: that's all.
05:02:57ddaltonsdoyon: Did that I am now compiling
05:03:36ToHellWithGAdo yall know how i could use rockbox to play tracker music? s3m, mod, stuff like that
05:03:39ddaltonsdoyon: Also is there a way to tell if the voice is still talking? FS #7682 requires that for a syncsplash screen.
05:04:01tumuToHellWithGA, yes, i'm in middle of porting such functionality to rockbox
05:04:06ddaltonbecause if you have a slow voice it will just read the menu option and not finish reading the splash message
05:04:25ddaltonbecause it is for an exit from a screen
05:05:19ToHellWithGAtumu: hero. if you need anybody to test on ipod video you could PM or email me
05:06:03sdoyonddalton: It won't stop talking just because the splash goes away. Voicing for splashes forces enqueuing of the next utterance so shouldn't be interrupted either.
05:06:25ddaltondoes it? can you check that patch? LinusN said it did
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05:06:47ddaltonsdoyon: Also have you tested the talking plugins patch?
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05:07:07tumuToHellWithGA, have to see such when it is in more useable state
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05:08:01sdoyonddalton: rep lugins: not yet, no time.
05:08:25ddaltonsdoyon: ok then.
05:10:04ddaltonsdoyon: Also regarding your track lock patch how do I use that? Should there be a setting in the wps context menu?
05:11:14psycho_maniachas anybody ran the infoNES plugin at all. just wondering how well it works
05:12:13psycho_maniacim thinking about compiling it in my build just to see how it works and to test it.
05:12:27sdoyonddalton: re alarm patch: OK I see.
05:13:08ddaltonsdoyon: Is it different?
05:13:38sdoyonddalton: Just after talk_value(alarm_time_to_go, UNIT_MIN, true); simply call talk_force_enqueue_next();. And get rid of your two cases for the spash duration.
05:13:50kkurbjunjhMikeS: did you happen to see any difference with the new bootloader?
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05:15:00sdoyonddalton: re tracklock: the setting is under playback, fast forward and and rewind.
05:16:15sdoyonddalton: that's not very convenient of course, so if you use it much you'll want to make yourself a pair of .cfg for each setting and put it in a more accessible place.
05:16:18ddaltonsdoyon: so its talk_force_enqueue_next () ?
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05:17:41ddaltonsdoyon: what's the setting called?
05:17:49psycho_maniachow do i know what -p? a patch is?
05:18:11ddaltonyou can look at the patch file or just keep guessing up to 5
05:18:17ddaltonstarting at 0
05:18:19psycho_maniacwhere do i look in the file?
05:18:50sdoyonddalton: re alarm: yes, that's a function in talk.c.
05:19:08ddaltonwhere it has the path to the file it is going to edit. For example index: apps/lang/english.lang I think it looks something like that
05:19:12aliaskpsycho_maniac: It'll say "Index: ....". The -p option removes levels from it, eg -p1 would turn /path/to/files into /to/files
05:19:29ddaltonso from your source tree that would be p0
05:19:44ddaltononly if you have just checked out the trunk
05:20:00psycho_maniacso this is what im looking for? "Index: apps/settings.c"
05:20:10aliaskYes, that's a -p0 patch
05:20:25ddaltonyep so from your source tree that would be p0 (the root)
05:20:37ddaltonand did you just check out the trunk?
05:20:38sdoyonddalton: re tracklock: the setting is now "Study mode", and the secondary setting "Study Increment".
05:20:55ddaltonsdoyon: Ok I am about to test it
05:21:10ddaltonjust copying my build
05:21:15ddaltonactually extracting
05:21:32sdoyonAnyone can explain what the deal is with the alarm wakeup function, on Sansa and/or X5? The DeviceChart wiki page says the hardware supports it...
05:21:33ddaltono wait I need to build my voice file
05:22:01sdoyonddalton: You need to remake your voice file of course.
05:22:02ddaltonsdoyon: What do you mean
05:22:44RaZorbacKbuilding also the voice file :)
05:22:53ddaltonsdoyon: what were you saying about the alarm?
05:22:56sdoyonddalton: what do I mean what? :-)
05:23:03RaZorbacKhours to wait again thanks to cygwin
05:23:39ddaltonsdoyon: Well you said something about the wakeup alarm
05:24:10psycho_maniacanybody running the piezo patch?
05:24:43sdoyonddalton: That wiki page says Sansa and X5 have the ability to turnon at a preset time, so they should be able to support an alarm feature, yet that's apparently not in the code.
05:25:19ddaltonsdoyon: a task has just been open re alarm for h300 maybe it can be ported to x5.
05:25:51RaZorbacKgood new
05:25:56ddaltonIt didn't look that hard
05:26:37ddaltonthat is the alarm thing I was talking about
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05:27:33psycho_maniacwhen i do the revert command. what does it actually do? revert to previous or just revert to normal ?
05:29:37jhMikeSkkurbjun: kinda busy here. I'll do the measuring soon enough.
05:30:23kkurbjunno worries, sorry to be pushy
05:30:51saratogawhen creating a WPS, how do I know what the current working line is for an entry?
05:31:04saratogafor instance, this theme just says "%al %s%ac%?ia<%ia|Artist?>%ar "
05:31:10saratogahow do I know where that will get drawn
05:31:22kkurbjunjhMikeS, do you know where the crt0 files are linked to.. for example how does the apple builds choose crt0-pp.s?
05:31:40kkurbjunhow do
05:32:23kkurbjunDark_Apostrophe: did those directions help you out?
05:32:36Dark_ApostropheYes...sorta got it figured out
05:32:48Dark_ApostropheStill can't get videos to play, but music seems to work
05:33:05daurn|laptopsaratoga: first line
05:33:20kkurbjunyou need to have video's in a particular format and properly sized
05:33:34kkurbjun(I think the sizing is required)
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05:34:24aliaskkkurbjun: They get linked in with
05:34:48saratogadaurn|laptop: how do I advance a line ?
05:34:58kkurbjunaliask, :) , thanks I don't know how I missed that
05:35:15psycho_maniacits so nice when you can compile your own build
05:35:41*aliask hopes firefox doesn't die
05:35:47ddaltonsdoyon: Do you think p6138 could be committed?
05:36:30daurn|laptopsaratoga: read the wiki
05:37:23saratogadaurn|laptop: I am . . .
05:38:34sdoyonAh! I think I got rid of the voice stuttering that was bothering me.
05:40:00ddaltonI got 16: 42 for battery bench on my h300
05:41:56ddaltonsdoyon: I am not sure if you saw but I wrote a comment on p7653 about making voicebox say file extensions. So don't worry about my other comments
05:42:10ddaltonbecause it now voices file extensions.
05:44:36psycho_maniacin case anybody is listening the piezo patch does not work on the ipod 80gig. well not on mine
05:47:28Dark_ApostropheWhenever I try to do something, it says: Batt.Bench is currently running. Press OFF to cancel the test. Anything else will resume.
05:47:32Dark_ApostropheWhich button is off?
05:48:26ddaltonwhat player
05:48:34Dark_Apostrophegigabeat f20
05:48:44ddaltonsdoyon: Your patches are working good here. I just need to fix my one
05:49:53ddaltontry stop or however you stop playback
05:50:42sdoyonDark_Apostrophe: it's POWER.
05:50:56Dark_Apostrophesdoyon: ok
05:51:24sdoyonddalton: what about that quickscreen?
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05:51:57stevenmHello. Debugging the Sim MIDI memory corruption bug. Again.
05:52:14stevenmFixed this bugger before but couldn't commit... now all is lost, along with GDB knowledge.
05:52:42stevenmWhat is that GDB command that tells it to break and scream at you whenever a certain variable changes value? I thought it was a watchpoint, but not working here...
05:53:20ddaltonsdoyon: that's working great as well
05:54:55sdoyonddalton: Ah! Good then.
05:56:40Dark_Apostrophesdoyon: Thanks :D
05:56:52ddaltonsdoyon: Do you think p6138 should be committed?
05:57:08ddaltonI think it is simple but very useful
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05:58:54sdoyonddalton: well the battery estimated time it gives me is quite bogus. I like having the disk space spoken. No point pushing this version if I'm going to make the info screen into a list though.
05:59:17RaZorbacKwow my rockbox rocks now ! ... in english :)
05:59:45sdoyonAt large: would it make a difference if the Rockbox Info screen was a list? For blind users, we could skip down to the info we want tohear, rather than wait for the voice to get there.
06:00:22RaZorbacKyes it is a good idea. many infos to hear at the same time
06:00:27RaZorbacKtoo many
06:00:32ddaltonsdoyon: I wanted to do this but didn't even know where to start apart from look in main_menu.c
06:01:43ddaltonRaZorbacK: what player do you have?
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06:01:55RaZorbacKi've tried my patched build on a sansa
06:01:57psycho_maniacran the scroll patch on a nano. works perfectly
06:02:01DMJCoutside of lack of info, is there anything stopping rockbox from ipod classic?
06:02:02sdoyonRaZorbacK: sure but for sighted users, would that be good or bad, or make no difference?
06:02:39sdoyonAnd it's still a long wway to go just ot check the time...
06:02:44kkurbjunDMJC, that's a pretty big thing to neglect
06:02:47ddaltonRaZorbacK: Do you want me to see if I can port the wakeup alarm to e200?
06:02:56RaZorbacKsdoyon: i don't think it will be bad, but maybe a sighted user could answer?
06:03:14RaZorbacKddalton: why not!
06:03:15alienbiker99god the sansas firmware is so annoying...usbstack will be amazing
06:03:35ddaltonok I will give it a shot if i get time
06:03:54RaZorbacKnow got to start translating the whole stuff in french, everything is messed up obviously
06:04:14RaZorbacKk ddalton, when you have time of course
06:04:50RaZorbacKALLIEN: your definetely right
06:04:59RaZorbacKusb is a problem
06:05:07*ddalton knows why the alarm patch is voicing wrong information when exiting the wakeup screen
06:05:21alienbiker99i hate waiting for the stupid refresh database to go away
06:05:59ddaltonRaZorbacK: You are going to translate all of sdoyon's patches to french?
06:06:08RaZorbacKfortunately there're just 8 gig on mine lol
06:06:10ddalton(The lang entries)
06:06:26RaZorbacKcan't imagine the same thing on my 30 gb player :)
06:06:43RaZorbacKddalto: yes i'll try
06:07:08ddaltonok I guess it will take a while :-)
06:07:22RaZorbacKyes i guess too
06:07:35ddaltonalso do you remember how to do it? Like I showed you last time? And you will need to add new entries
06:07:35RaZorbacKit's tricky, many lines :(
06:07:52ddaltonof course because there have been new ones added to english.lang
06:08:03RaZorbacKnew...... what ??? !! :)
06:08:09ddaltonlang entries
06:08:16sdoyonAnyone around familiar with the Sansa button hardware?
06:08:45RaZorbacKgoing to try to do that
06:11:26alienbiker99sdoyon which sansa
06:11:46RaZorbacKddalton: i just have to translate between the <voice> ... </voice> string right?
06:12:12sdoyonalienbiker99: E200
06:12:22RenHereNeed help with Sansa E280 serious problem with the dualboot dead in the water
06:12:30sdoyonalienbiker99: I'd like to know which button combinations are recognized.
06:13:23stevenmAaaaargh caught ya! If I can't commit or forget, let it stay in the logs forever. In guspat.c, line 33: only 32 waveforms for MIDI is waaaay not enough. While there probably won't be over 32 patches, each patch can have multiple waveforms. Piano alone has like, 10.
06:13:24alienbiker99sorry i don't know, i was just trying to clear it up.
06:13:55ddaltonsdoyon: Do you know about hta ?
06:14:23sdoyonddalton hta? No what's that?
06:14:31stevenmand writes to waveforms past this buffer wipes out parts of the voice structure (on the sim, anyway) and causes Badness. It's playing nicely now, though.. but need a more thorough fix, and a commit
06:15:11saratogaif anyone is interested, my port of the cabbie entry in the default theme thread to the ipod video:
06:15:21ddaltonsdoyon hta is what voicebox on windows is written in. I think it is a bit of html and vb script. I don't know what it stands for.
06:16:00psycho_maniacsaratoga: thank you
06:16:40RaZorbacKddalton, sdoyon: nothing is needed to be translated except in the english.lang sections?
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06:17:38ddaltonRaZorbacK: If new strings have been added at the end of the file just copy them and rename them. Don't change the id: part from english to french because then it won't work
06:18:18sdoyonRaZorbacK: not sure what you mean there...
06:18:38RaZorbacKnot sure too ... :)
06:18:44ddaltonthen you do the same as you did with my patch with strings needing the voice filled in just fill in the voice string in the french lang file
06:19:19ddaltonBut combined.patch might come in handy because you can then see exactly what was added because there is a lot more strings
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06:20:27ddaltonbut you do realise there are a lot more strings with sdoyon's patches than my alarm one. That only had about 4 strings
06:20:32ddaltonmy one
06:21:03ddaltonand I am guessing sdoyon's patches would have over 450 strings that were added or voice strings filled in
06:21:08RaZorbacKddalton: i realize... it's really big.
06:21:11ddaltonsdoyon: Is that sound right?
06:21:18RaZorbacKho no ...
06:21:22sdoyonRaZorbacK: A I the only one who isn't always entirely sure that my player ha been turned off properly? Say I've been interrupted and had to yank my headphones off...
06:21:39ddaltonyes well his combined patch is over 100 kb and mine was about 4. A big difference :-)
06:21:43psycho_maniacsaratogaA: could you make a theme file? thats all that zip is missing really
06:22:05ddalton50 I mean not 450
06:22:16RaZorbacKLaughing Out Loud
06:22:18psycho_maniacfor the cabbie theme for the ipods
06:22:28RaZorbacKddalton: thank you for the correction :)
06:22:36RaZorbacKi feel better
06:22:47ddaltonyes I am sure that would have been a shock :-)
06:23:28RaZorbacKso, let's have an example before going in trouble :)
06:23:30sdoyonRaZorbacK ddalton: Let's see... 74 new IDs. but a lot of those are for spelling funky chars.
06:24:10RaZorbacKfunky chars? lol what are the funky chars? my english is kinda bad :)
06:24:42RaZorbacKOK for funky but ...
06:24:54ddaltonwow that's a lot
06:25:20RaZorbacKarrg... I might have tried one patch at once :)
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06:25:44ddaltonsdoyon: Now hearing all the different chars in the rename screen and where ever else that screen is used is really good. Especially the edit line and the blank
06:26:18sdoyonRaZorbacK ddalton: like ;:,!@$%?&*[_=<{
06:26:33RaZorbacK.... :(
06:26:34nikosapihello, what's the 'select' button mapping for the ipod in the rockboxui simulator?
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06:26:44ddaltonsdoyon: always been wondering this: Do you type all the new ids in by hand or copy and paste them and then rename them?
06:26:50XavierGrddalton: is the set time/date screen voiced currently?
06:27:13ddaltonXavierGr: under system/time?
06:27:22ddaltonyes it is
06:27:40ddaltonfor english.lang <XavierGr>
06:27:45XavierGrnice, I have a local patch that unifies alarm screen with time/date screen
06:27:54ddaltonsdoyon I mean
06:28:08ddaltonXavierGr: do you use voice?
06:28:11XavierGrso alarm_menu.c will eventually be removed if I get this right
06:28:31XavierGrddalton: I used it only once or twice to see how it is
06:28:51ddaltonXavierGr: did you open the alarm thing for the h300? 7814
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06:29:43XavierGrddalton: yes
06:30:10XavierGrthat is to enable the alarm on h300
06:30:21ddaltonwell if you want you can use p7682 with it
06:30:37sdoyonddalton: well usually copy an existing entry and modify it.
06:30:38ddaltonit provides voice for the alarm wakeup (by me)
06:30:47ddaltonso do I
06:30:57XavierGrddalton yeah I noticed that
06:31:39RaZorbacKddalton: but there're voices strings which seem not to have an ID associated. is it possible or a I wrong ?
06:32:03XavierGrwhat I am saying is that I am using another patch I made (not on flyspray) which gets rid of the current alarm screen and unifies it with the time/date screen (which is voiced)
06:32:18sdoyonRaZorbacK: possibly they're outside the diff context.
06:32:20ddaltonnow it first divides the alarm time to get the hours then it divides that number by 60 again to get minutes. So it is incorrect. It shouldn't change the value of the variable
06:32:37ddaltonso to make it simple I should have done the calculation in the talk_value call
06:33:22ddaltoneach voice string has and id but it might not be filled in
06:33:34ddaltonsdoyon is that correct?
06:33:37sdoyonRaZorbacK: diff doesn't handle the .lang files very well becuase of that. In fact sometimes patch doesn't have enough context and puts the changes in the wrong place.
06:34:02sdoyonRaZorbacK I can make you a diff of just english.lang with more context. Shall I do that?
06:34:45RaZorbacKsdoyon: if you have the time and if you think it could help me. sory, i'm really newbie in those stuff ....
06:34:52ddaltonsdoyon: will quilt work on cygwin? Or does it depend on some linux library?
06:34:56sdoyonddalton: No, they always must have an id:.
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06:35:05ddaltonthought so
06:35:41*ddalton Waits for his build to compile
06:36:25sdoyonddalton: Hmm I think it's written entirely in bash scripts. I imagine it should work.
06:36:44ddaltonsdoyon: so I just type ./configure make make install to install?
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06:37:24RaZorbacKwhen i say with no id, i mean the recording stuff in the file. but dont know if it could help understanding what i mean
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06:37:49RaZorbacKfor the id things, i think i could do the job but i'm lost with the others
06:38:13ddaltonRaZorbacK: if you arrow up a few lines you should see id: otherwise your not in a lang file
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06:39:12ddaltonok so you first go through sdoyon's patch and fill in all the voice strings in the french lang file.
06:39:33RaZorbacKddalton: i'm talking about stephane diff file... dunno how to explain ...
06:39:56RaZorbacKokay i'll do the IDs we'll see for the other stuff
06:40:30ddaltonthen you find where the new id strings start and you copy them and paste them at the bottom of your french lang file. Then you simpley change the voice string from english to french. That is where I am no help. I can't speak french :-)
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06:41:11ddaltonremember that + means add a line and - means remove one
06:41:40RaZorbacK+ id: VOICE_CHAR_SLASH: this, i can understand, but the strings before that, don't know how to put them :)
06:42:46ddaltonsdoyon: can you talk french?
06:43:21ddaltonthat means a string has been added and you copy it from english.lang and then you change the voice part to french. But
06:43:41ddaltonyou don't change <voice> to french
06:44:03ddaltonand that means it has been added as well a whole id string
06:44:12RaZorbacKyes ddalton it's ok for the + id: VOICE_CHAR_SLASH. but can you see the voice strings before that lines
06:44:15sdoyonddalton: French is indeed my first language.
06:44:38RaZorbacKi can't see any ID. just trying to understand :)
06:44:54ddaltonI am working on the alarm not the patch can you tell me what they are (one of them)
06:45:11ddaltonno id that means the voice string has been filled in
06:45:23ddaltonsince the id already exists
06:45:43ddaltonneeds to be filled in isn't currently
06:46:23RaZorbacKdDalton: OK...
06:46:34ddaltonXavierGr: What should happen when the wakeup alarm is set on the h300?
06:47:35ddaltonlet us know if you have more questions
06:47:40stevenmHey, can anyone here with SVN access please commit a one-liner for me real quick?
06:48:04ddaltonsdoyon: Is it? You speak english very well
06:48:09Soap_Take my wife...please.
06:48:18Soap_(how is that for a one-liner?)
06:48:23kkurbjunstevenm, don't you have svn access?
06:48:31ddaltonmaybe you would be a better help to RaZorbacK since you can speak french and I can't
06:48:32Soap_sorry - never again.
06:48:37RaZorbacKand, is there a special place to add the IDs in the .lang file or can I copy/paste/modify at the end of the lang file?
06:48:45kkurbjunI mean commit access
06:48:47stevenmkkurbjun, I had CVS access, but I don't think I ever got SVN. It would be great if I did, though...
06:49:03kkurbjunyou should email bagder
06:49:03ddaltonno all new lang entries must go at the end of the lang file
06:49:12stevenmkkurbjun, I must have been gone when the switch happened, so I never got an SVN pass
06:49:32RaZorbacKddalton: yes, that what I was asking for
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06:49:36ddaltonso ones with id: but if you just apply the patch and then you copy the new lang entries from english.lang you won't need to remove the + signs
06:49:43kkurbjunI can commit for you in the meantime, but like I said, all you have to do is ask bagder
06:49:54stevenmkkurbjun, all right, thanks.
06:49:57sdoyonRaZorbacK: you don't see the ids because diff shows you only the parts that were modified, and the ids are far enough from the voice entries that they are not included in the context. I'll make you a patch with more context.
06:50:00kkurbjunas far as I know that is
06:50:21ddaltonkkurbjun: could I get svn access?
06:50:53ddaltonsdoyon: How can you do that?
06:50:56RaZorbacKsdoyon: thanks.
06:51:06stevenmkkurbjun, I need the array size in apps/plugins/midi/guspat.c:33 changed from 32 to 256
06:51:11RaZorbacKi'm really lost with those damn stuff :)
06:51:15kkurbjunddalton, did you have cvs access before?
06:51:54stevenmkkurbjun, with comment of something like "fix midi patch loader corrupting memory"
06:52:26kkurbjunI don't handle who gets an offer, I just knew that stevenm had it before because of his midi work.
06:52:43ddaltonBagder: there?
06:53:14RaZorbacKbut if i do all this work, I do hope it won't be lost in updating the source ...
06:53:34RaZorbacKif so, i prefer improving my english ...
06:53:36ddaltonfirst create a diff
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06:53:47ddaltonso you never lose your changes you just apply the patch
06:54:00kkurbjunddalton, you can't just ask for because you want it, have you been contributing patches?
06:54:17ddaltonI have written some and a few got committed
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06:55:05kkurbjunahh, gotcha
06:56:21kkurbjunstevenm, haha, I don't know if that commit got a message, I pasted the wrong thing in the window and it happened to have a newline in it
06:56:48stevenmkkurbjun, well, as long as it made its way in... thanks!
06:56:54kkurbjunno problem
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06:57:45stevenmsomeone optimized the heck out of that code... only the waveform table wasn't big enough, so the loader wrote stuff over other things in iram... which may explain a lot
06:59:07kkurbjunI've had some part in the midi work, but so have a few other people, don't know which section was changed by who anymore
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06:59:25XavierGrddalton: it should give a splash saying "Waking up in x hours y minutes"
06:59:35stevenmkkurbjun, well, whoever did it, did an amazing job. I can't believe it does 44100 in near realtime
06:59:48stevenmthe original had about half that speed
07:00:13sdoyonRaZorbacK: it should be in your mailbox.
07:00:33RaZorbacKsdoyon, thanks
07:00:42stevenmi'm thinking about reusing some of the synth/patch code to write a little drum machine/sequencer plugin for making beats, etc
07:01:01stevenmI'm no musician but at least it would be fun to play with
07:01:07sdoyonRaZorbacK: That being said, I don't know if translating all this is such a good idea. They have yet to be committed, things will surely change, you'll have to manage updates...
07:01:30kkurbjunlooks like linusn did the optimizations you were looking at
07:01:48stevenmaah ok
07:02:29RaZorbacKluck??? yes, i guess i need it :)
07:02:36sdoyonWell, past my bed time. Good night.
07:02:37ddaltonsdoyon: Won't a lot stay the same? And also couldn't you just split the translations up to get committed?
07:02:37RaZorbacKsdoyon: thx
07:03:10ddaltonNow ignoring Bagder -BOFHNet IRC Ignore-
07:03:28kkurbjunddalton, he's probably asleap
07:03:33ddaltonwhy does my irc say * You are now ignoring Bagder
07:03:40RaZorbacKLaughing Out Loud
07:04:27stevenmkkurbjun, with that structure in iram, i could probably go through and remove some of the unused fields in it, like tremolo, etc
07:04:42sdoyonddalton: I don't mean committing his translations, I mean the patches he's translating. Just suppose we swap the order in which two of those are applied: then the ids are in a different order and he needs to swap them in his french.lang too.
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07:05:02kkurbjunwhat are the unused fileds there for?
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07:05:12stevenmi could shrink it by ~12 bytes
07:05:28kkurbjunper array entry?
07:05:45kkurbjunthat's quite a bit for iram
07:06:20stevenmat least 6 bytes from vib/trem, the 'name' pointer, probably the tune/balance parameters as well.. I don't think they're used here
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07:06:58RaZorbacKsure, it's better with IDs
07:07:09stevenmlowFreq/highFreq are only used briefly by the loader to precompute another table, so it can be rewritten to keep them elsewhere
07:08:15kkurbjunIf you make a patch I don't mind committing it
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07:08:50stevenmkkurbjun, I can sometime in the future, but right now i'm too beat to be coding. i'd probably screw it up
07:09:06stevenmsoon will be sleeping off a week of compsci
07:09:36SansaSandbaggedLooking for Snasa help with dualboot
07:11:53kkurbjunstevenm, a question was recently being asked aboutthe patchset that's suggested for rockbox
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07:12:12kkurbjundo you know what the license is of the patchset you provide?
07:12:19kkurbjunor who made it originally?
07:12:34stevenmkkurbjun, it is the patchset that comes with Timidity++ with a custom config file
07:12:49stevenmI'm pretty sure it is called eawpatches
07:14:13ddaltonif you have a function that goes over two lines and the first line of the function is indent four spaces how far should the second line of the function be indented?
07:14:17ddaltonfunction cal
07:14:25kkurbjunso it's gpl also then?
07:14:56stevenmkkurbjun, almost positive that it is. just going to double check though
07:15:46stevenmkkurbjun, hmm... the package is present in Gentoo Linux, and the license just says 'as-is'
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07:17:06pmhaddadso to install the fonts package, i can just unzip it to the root of the player correct?
07:17:15pmhaddador does it have to placed somewhere specific?
07:17:25ddaltonno in /.rockbox
07:17:26pmhaddadthe manual and faqs don't indicate
07:17:33pmhaddadok cool, thanks ddalton
07:17:41ddaltonso the path to the fnt files should be: /.rockbox/fonts/
07:17:47pmhaddadon the player
07:17:58ddaltonyes .rockbox on the player.
07:18:06pmhaddaddoes the font package unzip to a fonts folder?
07:18:15stevenmkkurbjun, I'm going to re-download from the internet and check for a license file
07:18:52stevenmkkurbjun, even if they are not straight gpl, is licensing really a problem for Rockbox, given that the patches are an add-on?
07:19:14ddaltonyou might need to move the files so they are located at: /.rockbox/fonts
07:19:28pmhaddadok cool, i should be able to handle it
07:19:53aliaskstevenm: Yes, the license is still an issue in plugins, unfortunately
07:20:08kkurbjunyeah, but it's like a doom wad file though
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07:20:31kkurbjunyou can use a non free wad file, it just can't be included withteh main dist of rockbox
07:21:07kkurbjunI don't think it's a big deal that it is/isn't gpl as long as it's free/semi free in some way
07:21:15stevenmkkurbjun, aliask, according to the readme, as far as the author knows, they are public domain. he said they are for non-commercial use and only one file is for strictly non-commercial use
07:21:35aliaskSounds good to me, but as kkurbjun says, it probably doesn't even matter
07:21:51stevenm(originally coming from old gravis ftp mirrors)
07:22:12kkurbjunstevenm, can you include that readme on the wiki for the midi player?
07:22:15stevenmI was hoping at some point someone could re-host the patchset on the rockbox site, in case I graduate and my university site goes away
07:22:28stevenmkkurbjun, I could, sure.. where exactly, though?
07:24:06kkurbjunIf you can point to the original download too that can give a backup.
07:24:27kkurbjunI don't know what the policy is for hosting different license files..
07:24:46stevenmkkurbjun, very well
07:24:59stevenmuh oh.. what IS my password ... ? :)
07:25:22stevenmwhat is my USER NAME ?
07:26:59aliaskI don't think you're registered...
07:27:01stevenmkkurbjun, looks like I'm not on the wiki anymore, either
07:27:10stevenmI think it was re-done since then
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07:27:54stevenmanyway, if anyone is interested, the eawpatches copyright file is here:
07:28:08kkurbjunI'll put it in
07:28:59stevenmkkurbjun, thanks!
07:29:12ddaltonRaZorbacK: around?
07:31:09kkurbjunhmm, doesn't look like I can attach files to that wiki page
07:31:41kkurbjunis a wiki admin around?
07:31:44stevenmkkurbjun, you could potentially just paste it on there as text
07:32:01kkurbjunyeah, I'll just do that for now
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07:34:48stevenmkkurbjun, thanks, that works. as for hosting, if my wam page ever has to be shut down, we can just post the custom config file and have people download the raw eawpatches and put the two together
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07:39:20kkurbjunhow's it look?:
07:39:51stevenmkkurbjun, that is good, i think
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07:49:51aliaskHow do I #include something into crt0.S?
07:50:15kkurbjunit's just an #include
07:50:21kkurbjunlike what's done at the top
07:50:29aliaskWell, I tried it and it didn't like it very much
07:50:37aliaskComplained about C syntax
07:50:58amiconnOf course you can only #include stuff in .S files which the assembler understands
07:51:20aliaskSo how would I branch do a function stored in a c file?
07:51:59aliaskAt the moment I'm getting "target/arm/crt0.S:(.init.text+0x108): undefined reference to `memory_init'" - so it has trouble when linking
07:52:03stevenmanyways, although I have a hard time believing it, it is finally time for sleep
07:52:07stevenmgood night everyone
07:52:22amiconnYou have to declare that label in the .S file
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07:53:22amiconnHmm, that doesn't seem to be necessary
07:53:52aliaskIt links fine if I build a bootloader, but not a normal build... odd
07:54:31amiconnWell, then memory_init isn't available when linking the normal build
07:55:21aliaskThe file is included in SOURCES and there's no #ifdef BOOTLOADER, am I missing anything else?
08:02:06amiconnI don't know.
08:03:13amiconnI wonder why main rockbox should call memory_init though, unless the purpose of that memory_init is quite different from the other targets that have memory_init
08:03:36aliaskSetting up TTBs etc?
08:04:07amiconnSetting up memory in general
08:04:39amiconnThe bootloader has to set up memory, then loads main rockbox. If main rockbox sets up memory again, it would kill itself...
08:05:15aliaskHrm, I was just loading rockbox.gigabeats directly, I guess I can't do that?
08:06:07kkurbjunI thought rockbox was designed to run independent of the bootloader.. or rombox
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08:07:10amiconnIf rockbox runs from rom, it can of course set up the ram without killing itself
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08:08:06amiconnBut obviously you can't change the setup of the memory you're currently running from
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08:08:29aliaskAh, I see now.
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08:09:27amiconnThat's e.g. the reason why the eprom type detection function in debug_menu.c is put in iram. If it would be in the normal .text section, and hence in rom, rockbox would crash when switching the eprom into command mode...
08:09:42kkurbjunmm, I see
08:10:16amiconnIt would only be in rom for rombox of course (currently only possible for 3 targets - archos Player, Ondio SP, and iriver H1x0)
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08:10:33kkurbjundoes the h100 have rombox?
08:10:52amiconnYes, with an unofficial bootloader
08:11:18*amiconn doesn't dare to test that before Linus does and releases it
08:11:43kkurbjunwhat do you think of splitting all the crt0's up into their own targets?
08:12:12amiconnThey already are split...
08:12:28kkurbjunnot between different arm targets... or not all of them
08:12:37kkurbjunI just split out the m:robe one
08:12:42kkurbjunin my last commit
08:12:46amiconnI wouldn't split into single targets
08:13:12kkurbjunby chipset then?
08:13:29amiconn...but it probably makes sense to split into chipsets / chipset families
08:13:45amiconnPP already has some extra code in crt0-pp.S
08:13:58XavierGramiconn: many people have flashed their H120s with Slasheri's flashable bootloader without any failures...
08:14:44XavierGror you mean that you need an md5checksum of the patched firmware file just to be sure?
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08:16:52amiconnI still won't do it before the bootloader goes official
08:17:25aliaskSo, how does the mr500i do it's memory stuff? Isn't it all running from ram?
08:17:49kkurbjunmy thinking in splitting the m:robe one completely out for now was: it's the only device that's targeting the dm320, and if someone else starts targeting a dm320 also I don't want to deal with their changes for their target till the code is mature
08:18:11kkurbjunit's all running from ram and some stuff is being put in one of the IRAM blocks
08:18:53kkurbjunand I'm playing around with some different ways of placing the vector tables.. similar to the ifp, but I need them for the bootloader too
08:20:15kkurbjunso do you do the svn tags properly in svn?
08:20:15aliaskSo if we put a bootloader in IRAM, mess with the memory, then load rockbox, it'd be fine?
08:20:26kkurbjunthat's what the ipods do
08:21:26kkurbjunit's also assuming that you don't remap the iram either, or you remap it taking that info account in your linker scripts
08:22:08kkurbjunwith the gigabeats you can remap anything anywhere with the mmu.. we're trying to avoid turning it on on the M:robe
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08:22:53kkurbjunwhich I think will work fine since we have writable memory at 0x0, I don't think the gigabeat F has a way to remap other than the MMU
08:22:59aliaskWell, do I even need to remap things? I think the OF remaps some stuff, but if I turn off the MMU, will that cancel it?
08:23:16aliaskAh, the S doesn't have writable memory at 0x0
08:23:33kkurbjunyou need to get your vectors there somehow
08:23:52kkurbjunif there's a different memory remap register then you should be able to get by without the mmu
08:25:11aliaskDifferent memory remap register?
08:26:04kkurbjunsome devices have a way to swap a chunk of memory with another by setting a register
08:27:18kkurbjundo you have a link to the gigabeat S datasheet?
08:27:51kkurbjunor the imx one i mean
08:28:05aliaskJust a second
08:28:21kkurbjunthink I found it
08:28:58aliaskThere are a couple, the "real" one is 2364 pages long
08:29:06kkurbjunyeah, I don't have that one
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08:42:59ddaltoncan someone commit
08:43:13kkurbjunso on the coldfire you can set what address the CS line is tied to with the CSAR reg
08:43:28ddaltonkkurbjun: Can you commit it?
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08:47:42kkurbjunddalton, I'm not really familiar with that code from what I can tell it looks like it's ok from all I can tell, but it would be better to find someone who knows the code
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08:48:10oranges22nd gen nanos are supported? O-o
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08:49:20Lloreanoranges2: Are not. Where do you see that they are?
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08:49:37oranges2Under project news
08:49:44LloreanThat says 2nd gen iPods, not iPod Nanos
08:49:53oranges2I misread
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08:51:21ddaltonLlorean: can you commit something for me?
08:53:17kkurbjunaliask: best be might be is if there's a way to swap the builtin rom/ram, that's how it works on the m:robe, it doesn't look like you have a choice where the external ram is mapped, the coldfires seem a bit more flexible in that manner, but someone else that has more experience with different chips might be able to point you in a better direction. I didn't see a way to do it without the mmu briefly looking through the datasheet.
08:53:24kkurbjungotta sleep..
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09:01:06amiconnBagder: ping
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09:20:06VeganfreakHi everyone!
09:20:28VeganfreakIs there a way to get rockbox to show ID tags instead of file names? (like for podcasts)
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09:28:36peturhello & goodbye Veganfreaks, rtfm...
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09:35:04peturmornin' pixelma
09:35:50ddaltonpixelma: Have you got svn access?
09:37:56ddaltonpetur: can you commit something?
09:38:22ddaltonfs#7682 (My last comment)
09:41:17pixelmaddalton: yes but usually I do only manual commits or only simple code changes (graphics, plugins). Also, I'm not fully awake yet... :)
09:41:48ddaltonpixelma: It isn't a very big change could you have a look?
09:44:25peturddalton: why did you change alarm,ipod*="" into two lines?
09:44:58pixelmaI wanted to stay away from voice and leave it to the experts. And I would want to test something like this on a real target but I have none that has a wake up alarm (yet)
09:45:09ddaltonI didn't mean to do that could you fix it?
09:45:37pixelmaI meant "stay away from code changes there"
09:46:22peturthere's also unneeded (and wrong) indentation change but I guess that is pretty hard for you to notice
09:46:44ddaltonyep and a string was added and removed
09:47:01*petur checks availability of alarm on his h300
09:47:19XavierGrpetur: I was just righting a nag about it :P
09:47:30XavierGrplease inform me if you see something wrong
09:47:53ddaltonXavierGr: How do I use your patch (7814)? Should I set the alarm and turn off the player?
09:48:10XavierGrddalton: yes
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09:49:10ddaltonpetur: check line 37 of the diff. Is something wrong?
09:49:31ddaltonXavierGr: So it should wake the player up?
09:49:40XavierGryes on the time you've selected
09:49:50ddaltonso I one go to wake up alarm set it press navi shutdown the player and wait?
09:50:13peturso I would first need 7814 to be able to test
09:50:15ddaltonso if I select 0 hours 5 minutes will it wake up in 5 minutes?
09:50:15XavierGryes and make sure that you've set the alarm 2-3 minutes ahead of the current time
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09:51:52XavierGralso it seems that there is a bug in the alarm code (in general) that will not make your player start if you 1)set the alarm 2)turn off 3) turn on (mannually) 4) turn off again
09:52:34XavierGrI am going to investigate that at some point
09:53:13XavierGralso another annoying thing is that alarm screen (and drivers) doesn't give you the ability to set the alarm on a specific date.
09:53:30XavierGrat least on pcf5060x it is possible
09:53:58XavierGrsomething I will try to expand
09:54:46ddaltonXavierGr: If I want it to wake up at 3 pm I set it to 15 hours and 0 minutes?
09:55:42XavierGrddalton: yes
09:56:06ddaltonbefore you said that if I select 0 hours 5 minutes it will wake up in 5 minutes from now
09:56:59XavierGrddalton: I am sorry if what I said was confusing, I meant that if you want to test it first (before utilizing it) you have to set a time ahead of current time
09:57:20XavierGrso if you want to wake up at 15:05 and the time is 15:00 you set it at 15:05
09:57:48XavierGrit is exactly like the clock, you don't set the interval but the exact time that you want to awake
09:58:02ddaltonXavierGr: It does display on the screen " waking up in hours minuts) So should that be "Waking up at hours minutes"?
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09:58:57XavierGryeah I guess, the splash is there to tell you in how many minutes the alarm will go off
09:59:25XavierGrit will just calculate alarm_time - current_time
09:59:31VeganfreakHi everyone!
09:59:57VeganfreakHow do you make rockbox show ID tags (I think that's what theyre called) for podcasts instead of file names?
10:00:11Veganfreaklike the podcast name, but not the actual file name
10:00:34XavierGrpodcasts? what is that? audio, video and what format?
10:00:40ddaltonXavierGr: It is now 6 06 pm. I set the alarm to 18 hours and 10 minutes. So will it go off in 4 minutes?
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10:01:03XavierGrddalton: hopefully yes
10:01:14XavierGrdon't forget to turn off the player
10:01:22ddaltondid you test on the h300?
10:01:26ddalton20 gb
10:01:54ddaltonso it actually turned itself on from been shutdown. And no power plug in
10:02:09VeganfreakXavierGR, it's audio (cant get rockbox to support video podcasts) and mp3
10:02:18XavierGrthat's what the alarm does
10:02:25scorcheVeganfreak: have you read teh manual?
10:02:31ddaltonso and what should it do when it wakes up?
10:02:38XavierGrthen if the mp3 file has id3v2 tags they should be visible
10:03:08VeganfreakThey are in amarok, but not on the ipod
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10:03:27XavierGrddalton: after the alarm setting item in the system menu there is another option to choose what you want to do
10:03:33scorchethat doesnt answer my question...
10:03:48XavierGrddalton: 3 settings: radio, playback, recording
10:04:09VeganfreakIn amarok it says "podcast#12 -blahblahblah" in ipod it says "blahblah.mp3"
10:04:14XavierGrddalton: you choose one of those and it will do the following upon restarting (by the alarm)
10:04:16ddaltonXavierGr: When does it say "alarm set"
10:04:24VeganfreakIts kinda hard to tell them apart :\
10:04:26ddaltonthere is a string in english.lang for it
10:04:30scorcheVeganfreak: please read the manual...
10:05:09VeganfreakOk sorry ill have a look at the manual again
10:05:30XavierGrddalton: hmm I am not sure...
10:06:23XavierGrddalton: does it work for you?
10:06:35XavierGrfor me on every test I did it will work as expected
10:06:48ddaltonI need to wait 3 minutes for it to wakeup
10:07:21XavierGrah okay, tell me if you have any problems with it
10:08:03peturXavierGr: I'll try it here too
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10:08:33XavierGrpetur: yeah that would be nice
10:09:09XavierGrthe actuall code is imported from rtc_pcf50605.c, pretty silly that all this time the code was there but not utilized for the H300
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10:16:28*petur is waiting for his h380 to wake up...
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10:18:09pixelmapetur: and miepchen sleeps... ;)
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10:18:41peturwill never wake up I fear (and so does my h380)
10:18:42XavierGrhmm petur: which bootloader do you have again, I am not sure if Linus alarm work on the bootloader is on the official one :\
10:18:54peturit seems it isn't
10:18:54ddaltonXavierGr: It didn't work last time. I set it to 18 hours 35 minutes and then pressed navi then I held down stop and shut down the player.
10:19:05XavierGrso the patch has no reason without a new bootloader damn
10:19:11XavierGrI should have thought of that first
10:19:21ddaltono yeah I select radio in the alarm thing
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10:19:34ddaltonso what did you do to get it working/
10:19:46XavierGrddalton: you need a newer bootloader
10:20:00ddaltoncan I build one or is that risky?
10:20:07XavierGrthe current one doesn't have the alarm code that will autopower on the unit
10:20:12XavierGrddalton: quite risky
10:20:20ddaltondo I need another patch?
10:20:39ddaltonwhy is it risky?
10:20:59XavierGrddalton: I builed one my self and works for me but the revision that works is 12547
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10:21:17ddaltonthe other revs don't work?
10:21:35peturXavierGr: one of these days I'll have a look at why that bootloader refuses to work correctly here
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10:21:55XavierGrddalton last time I tried with a latest revision it refused to boot rockbox
10:21:56ddaltonXavierGr: Can you send me your one?
10:22:06peturhere it only boots 50% of the time
10:22:16XavierGrfortunately: I could still boot to the OF to reflash
10:22:33XavierGrpetur: I have r12547 ready, did you tried with that revision?
10:22:59ddaltonso if I used your boot loader I couldn't use the latest revision?
10:23:01peturI don't know which one I tried, LinusN made me one
10:23:05XavierGrddalton: sure I can send it to you, (still on my unit) but are you sure? If something goes wrong it might brick your player
10:23:25*petur now has a second H320 as backup
10:23:26ddaltonhow can it brick my player?
10:23:49peturddalton: if the bootloader doesn't work, the player is dead
10:24:08peturthere's no emergency boot stuff
10:24:17ddaltonpetur: So can you take out the hard drive and fix it that way?
10:24:25XavierGrddalton: nope
10:24:33peturno, the bootloader is in flash
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10:24:45ddaltonXavierGr: What about hard drive replacements?
10:24:50XavierGrddalton: basically every time you flash the unit there is a slight danger of a brick
10:24:57peturLinusN can attach a JTAG connector and reflash it that way
10:25:04XavierGrhard drive has nothing to do with the flash ddalton
10:25:21ddaltonare they expensive if i needed one?
10:25:45ddaltonif I bricked my player?
10:26:08peturddalton: if you brick it, the problem is _not_ on the harddrive
10:26:35ddaltonI thought you said LinusN could flash a bricked player
10:26:56peturyes, but he has to open it up and solder a connector on the board
10:27:13ddaltonso how much would it cost to do that?
10:27:23peturso it costs him time and it costs you shipping
10:27:35ddaltona lot of money?
10:27:42ddaltonfor what ever you need
10:27:52XavierGrddalton: let's say that you can't do it without the proper knowledge
10:28:20ddaltonXavierGr: So if your using it why isn't your player bricked?
10:28:27XavierGreven if you have the jtag connector/bdm wiggler, it is quite difficult to reflash it
10:28:45XavierGrddalton: because the firmware file I flashed was alright
10:28:53XavierGrand the process went without problems
10:29:02ddaltonso yours isn't at any risk?
10:29:10VeganfreakI dont get it :( So if you wanna see the tags you have to write them yourself?
10:29:39peturVeganfreak: use the database feature
10:29:49XavierGrif I give you my firmware file, it might go as well as mine, but "maybe" the file gets corrupted and your player bricked
10:29:59XavierGrddalton: for now yes :P
10:29:59Veganfreakooo i seee
10:30:26peturVeganfreak: and in the WPS, the tags are shown anyway
10:30:27ddaltonXavierGr: So your player isn't at any risk now? It is only when you flashed it?
10:30:42Veganfreaknot for podcasts though
10:30:46XavierGronly when you flash
10:30:55XavierGrif the flashing goes bad, then you brick your player
10:30:56VeganfreakI only see the file name
10:31:01XavierGrbrb will explain later
10:31:13ddaltonXavierGr: And how does it get corrupted?
10:31:21peturVeganfreak: does the WPS show the tags for normal songs?
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10:32:54Veganfreakyeah for some of them
10:33:15Veganfreakyeah it does
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10:33:43peturthen the files aren't correctly tagged
10:33:48*ddalton Gets out his book
10:34:13VeganfreakThey showed up when I used iTunes and the original firmware though
10:34:20Veganfreakbut now im on Ubuntu and I use Amarok
10:34:30Veganfreakand rockbox
10:34:38peturgot one online somewhere?
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10:35:34VeganfreakGet what online somewhere?
10:35:45petura file... for me to check?
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10:37:27peturrasher: that commit is indeed strange
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10:38:58Veganfreakon my ipod it says: veganfreak-2007-09-13-77450.mp3
10:39:13Veganfreakbut in amarok it says: #78- We're Back!
10:40:12VeganfreakSame with other podcasts
10:40:28peturbig file, slow link.. hold on
10:41:28Veganfreakahhh sry ill try to find a smaller file
10:41:46peturnah, halfway already
10:42:26Veganfreakokay :D
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10:44:00Bagderamiconn: I'm here now for a few mins, anything important?
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10:45:18amiconnBagder: The column for the Sansa C200 in the binsize table is in a really odd place...
10:45:33Bagderyeah, its a bug in the script
10:45:52Bagderit's supposed to be next to the e200
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10:47:05amiconnThat's where I would expect it...
10:47:17peturVeganfreak: there's albumart inside the tags, I'm quite sure we do not handle that well
10:47:42amiconnHmm, and C200 is missing from daily builds and manuals
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10:48:18Veganfreakahhh sorry im back, firefox crashed
10:48:27petur[10:47] <petur> Veganfreak: there's albumart inside the tags, I'm quite sure we do not handle that well
10:48:42Bagderyeah, c200 manual added now
10:49:20Bagderstarting daily c200 builds tomorrow
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10:51:10Veganfreakahh sorry firefox crashed
10:51:46peturVeganfreak: check the IRC log for my answer
10:52:28Veganfreakok, how do I access the IRC log? :\
10:52:37Veganfreak(sorry i'm a complete noob)
10:52:45peturthe irc link on
10:55:17VeganfreakBut is there a way to get the podcast name to show?
10:56:08pixelmaBagder: voice files too?
10:56:23peturVeganfreak: not now... one we get metadata on buffer implemented, this will work. For the moment we have a limited buffer to load the tags and yours do not fit
10:56:55VeganfreakOk, thanks for the help! :-)
10:57:00VeganfreakI needa go now cya everyone
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11:03:54ddaltonXavierGr: around?
11:04:48XavierGrone moment
11:04:51XavierGrremoveing things
11:05:08ddaltonremoving what?
11:06:46ddaltonjust a quick c question: does a long only hold a number above 0 and it takes up 2 bites of memory unlike an int that takes four and can handle negative numbers?
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11:07:30peturlong and int are the same in 32bit
11:07:46ddaltonso i am getting confused with short?
11:08:01ddaltonis short what I described above?
11:08:08peturuse 'unsigned' in front if you want only positive numbers
11:08:21ddaltonwill that make it use less memory?
11:08:43stripwaxmemset(&G_TransientRatio, 0, sizeof(G_TransientRatio)); .. how does that work? Isn't G_TransientRatio already the pointer? and in any case wouldn't you need to multiply by sizeof(real)?
11:08:56peturif you want to use less memory, use 'short' or 'char' if the data fits it
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11:09:12stripwaxthat's from latest /trunk/apps/codecs/libfaad/ps_dec.c diff
11:09:16ddaltonso what is the point of using unsigned then?
11:09:38stripwaxddalton - unsigned has a greater positive range than signed
11:09:38peturddalton: if you use unsigned it will use all bits for the positive number, so it can be twice as big
11:10:55peturunsigned is also sometimes used if you want the value to become zero again if it overflows
11:11:12ddaltonpetur: got it. I just had a quick look in my c book and it told me all of this. Sorry...
11:11:41ddaltonso int is the same as signed short?
11:12:09peturshort = 2 bytes, regardless of signed or unsigned
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11:13:11stripwaxsigned short has a range of -32768 to +32767. int is platform-dependent but is commonly 4 bytes so has a range of -2billion to +2billion
11:13:21ddaltonso signed short is a signed int?
11:13:26stripwaxwhat I said
11:13:41ddaltonok sorry didn't see that
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11:18:28MikhailTkachI'm trying to create a patch but "svn diff" doesn't include my new directory. hmmm
11:18:48petur"svn add" it first
11:19:57ddaltonyou need to svn add it
11:20:06ddaltonXavierGr: around?
11:20:26ddaltonpetur: Was my patch not able to be committed?
11:20:36MikhailTkachit worked :)
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11:21:21peturddalton: I can't test on a real target so I keep out, and I need a new bootloader to first enable alarm. Too much to look at 'in between'
11:22:12ddaltonyou can test it if you apply 7814 (Just set it and make it say errors) You don't need to see it wake the player up
11:22:59peturwell maybe later, I'm writing other stuff now
11:23:00ddaltonand it has nothing to do with waking up the player apart from voicing the options in the alarm. It basically speaks a few strings from the voice and hen just talks the value of variables
11:23:45peturgtg anyway
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11:37:21stripwaxanyone know more about that libfaad patch?
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11:39:27amiconnstripwax: G_TransientRatio isn't a pointer, it's an array
11:39:58amiconnThe & in the memset call can be left out, as writing the array name without idices gives its address, but it doesn't hurt either
11:40:26amiconnThe sizeof works properly for arrays
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11:42:26stripwaxamiconn - for some reason I thought sizeof just returned the number of elements not the number of bytes?
11:42:26*amiconn wonders about a completely different thing though - why is libfaad using floating point??
11:42:51linuxstb_MikhailTkach: I've just looked at your NES emulator patch - are all the files you've included necessary? I see various .cpp files, many Makefiles, some .a files etc
11:43:54*stripwax is evidently very rusty
11:45:24linuxstb_MikhailTkach: Also, a short "README.rockbox" file would be useful - describing the original project the emulator is based on, where you got the source code from, license information etc.
11:45:54MikhailTkachno, not all the files are nessecery...
11:45:57stripwaxamiconn - thanks. I must be having one of those not-enough-coffee days
11:46:12MikhailTkachI included them for reference, but I will remove them
11:48:05linuxstb_MikhailTkach: It's just that it will be harder for someone to review your patch if they stay there - and we wouldn't want to add them to svn anyway.
11:49:23linuxstb_Does your emulator have any benchmarking facilities? i.e. a display of the current speed relative to a real NES, so we can measure optimisations?
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12:07:59XavierGrpetur: are you interested on my patched firmware with revision 12547?
12:08:27XavierGr(the one that I patched my H340 and Genre9mp3's back when I was in Lemnos)
12:12:01linuxstb_MikhailTkach: It seems your LoadFrame function can be optimised a lot - by modifying the framebuffer directly, rather than calling lcd_drawpixel for every pixel...
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12:20:22linuxstb_Please spell out your words...
12:20:35stripwaxso the homepage says 1st and 2nd gen ipods are supported as of 19 sep in the News panel. But the project news page doesn't say that?
12:21:38stripwaxor does that only show the older news?
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12:27:26peturXavierGr: sure, but I don't think it will work any better than the version LinusN gave me right after devcon
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12:29:44linuxstb_MikhailTkach: Another comment, you should use the BUTTON_* defines from button-target.h instead of hard-coding the values. Ideally you should create platform-specific #defines - see the other plugins for what I mean (e.g. the SOL_* defines solitaire.c).
12:30:44MikhailTkachokay, I'll look into that
12:32:40linuxstb_MikhailTkach: Does the name "ines" mean you've based it on the ipodlinux port with that name?
12:33:05MikhailTkachno, thats just a temporary name. I'll change it
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12:43:06XavierGr ddalton: you wanted me something?
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12:44:59ddaltonXavierGr: could you help me with this bootloader thing we were talking about earlier?
12:45:59ddaltonXavierGr: So what would happen if you sent it to me?
12:46:17XavierGrddalton: do you know how to flash a new firmware file on your H300 (I guess so, you are using rockbox after all)
12:46:27XavierGryou should know the risks involved
12:46:28amiconnThe '!' was related to the usage of lcd_drawpixel() in the nes emulator
12:46:36ddaltonusing the of
12:46:52XavierGrif the file gets corrupted or the flash procedure is interrupted you might brick the unit do you understand that?
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12:47:20XavierGrIf you feel sure enough I will provide you the .hex file and an md5 sum
12:47:30ddaltonXavierGr: yes but is that the same with any firmware file or just this one you have?
12:47:48XavierGrwith any
12:47:57XavierGrin fact even with iriver firmware files
12:48:24ddaltonXavierGr: so would it get corrupted if you send it to me through email?
12:48:56ddaltonhow do I except it?
12:48:59XavierGrdcc maybe?
12:49:27XavierGrdid you got my pm?
12:49:59ddaltonyes what is it about the pm?
12:50:05XavierGrok let's continue it there
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13:10:05XavierGrpetur: and the fact that the same happens with H100 is even more frightful
13:10:29XavierGrprobably linus will be much of help on this
13:10:39peturno, it points to a common cause
13:10:48peturand it has to be IDE related
13:11:36petur(for the other channel members, XavierGr and I resume some PM talk here as it became on topic again)
13:11:42ddaltonXavierGr: Where does it install to?
13:14:21amiconnXavierGr: What happens with H100 (and H300 I presume)?
13:14:56peturXavierGr: another thing to try is to attach my 80GB disk to the h320 and see if that still boots
13:15:15peturamiconn: FS #7533
13:15:47peturplus the fact that it doesn't boot rockbox at all on my h380
13:16:21peturthe one from LinusN booted 50% of the time, the last known good one from XavierGr does not
13:16:58amiconnSET_REG is a macro that expands to a simple register write on coldfire
13:17:09peturbtw, do you remember all that talk from jungti1234 about the h3x0 LCD? He was right, my h320 has a _much_ better LCD
13:17:35amiconnThere are 2 types of H300 LCDs. That's long known
13:18:12amiconnLinusN has that older type where angle dependency is high in horizontal direction and low in vertical direction
13:18:21*petur is back on official bootloader for now
13:18:22amiconnThe newer LCd is the opposite
13:18:50peturso the newer ones are worse
13:19:15amiconnNo, the newer ones are better
13:19:51amiconnThe high horizontal angle dependency of the older type makes the 2 eyes see somewhat different colours, creating a strange effect
13:20:26peturI'm thinking of swapping hardware :)
13:20:54amiconnBut the panels also seem to have individual differences in colour representaion
13:21:21amiconnMy H340 has a new type LCD, but the rockbox blue is too bright on it and tends towards green
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14:14:52dnanarhi all !
14:16:57dnanari'm trying to use the alarm function on a Cowon iAudio X5(L 20GB) with rockbox installed on it. AFAIK there is no such function in rockbox firmware, so i'm trying to use the alarm of the original firmware (using dual boot). But, when i put on the alarm, that does not work (player does not power on by itself). Does anyone has a solution please ?
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14:26:36hcsdnanar: do you shut down from the original firmware or from rockbox?
14:27:00hcsthe OF may put the player in a state from which it can be awakened by the alarm while rockbox does not
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14:34:14peturdnanar: according to FS #7814 it works on X5
14:34:14ddaltondnanar: I am guessing it is something to do with the rockbox bootloader
14:34:38ddaltondnanar: Why don't you apply p7814? and then you can use the alarm in rockbox?
14:35:10ddaltondnanar: are you using FS #7814?
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14:40:51dnanarhcs: yes i'm shutting down it with the cowon firmware
14:41:09dnanarddalton: what is p7814 please ?
14:41:27dnanari would be really interested in using alarm with rockbox :)
14:41:42dnanarand what us FS #7814 also please ?
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14:42:38dnanar ?
14:44:12dnanarok so i should download rockbox sources, apply patch, recompile it and then install new firmware. but shall i still use the dual boot or i will be able to use alarm only with rockbox please ?
14:46:45XavierGr_x5 has the same pcf chip as the H300?
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14:47:15ddaltondnanar: You can probably use the afficial bootloader with FS #7814.
14:47:44dnanarok :)
14:47:55ddaltonXavierGr_: I think so
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14:48:53dnanarso i'm trying to compile rockbox but i do not find the right compiler (m68k-elf-gcc according to the configure script). Does anyone know where to find it (i'm under GNU/Linux Debian)
14:48:54XavierGr_well sure the patch works, but I am not sure if the x5 bootloader has the alarm capabilities to wake it up. (just like the H300 which the latest official bootloader doesn't have the alarm code)
14:48:55ddaltonXavierGr_: working now thank you very much I really appreciate it.
14:49:14XavierGr_ddalton: no problem, enjoy it as I do on my H100
14:49:22XavierGr_I have the best alarm now :D
14:49:50ddaltonXavierGr_: When I get around to it I want to make it shutdown the player with the sleep timer and then wake the player up.
14:49:57ddaltonor can it do this already?
14:50:08XavierGr_you can do it manually
14:50:39XavierGr_set the alarm set and then the sleep timer under the system menu (the first system menu)
14:51:03ddaltonand it will work so it will shut down and then start up when it is that time
14:51:12ddalton(what the alarm is set to)
14:51:27XavierGr_haven't tested it, but I can't find a reason why not to
14:51:41ddaltonsee p7814 the last comment. "Now tested, it works on my X5 with default bootloader."
14:51:43dnanarXavierGr_: i don't understand.will the patch work ?
14:52:01XavierGr_ddalton: you own an X5 too?
14:52:18ddaltonno but look at the last comment
14:52:23ddalton"Now tested, it works on my X5 with default bootloader."
14:52:36XavierGr_ah didn't see those comments
14:52:40XavierGr_nice then
14:53:08ddaltonso I am guessing they use the same rtc code
14:53:16XavierGr_yes it seems so
14:53:35ddaltonXavierGr_: The good thing is I didn't brick my player :-)
14:53:37XavierGr_the same pmu (pcf50606) which has the rtc
14:53:38dnanardoes anyone know how to compile rockbox under linux please ?
14:53:49ddaltonit says on the wiki
14:53:54ddaltonhow to compile
14:54:13ddaltonbut you run configure from your build dir then follow the on screen instructions.
14:54:17ddaltono yeah and then maek
14:54:21dnanaryes, but configure script use m68k-elf-gcc compiler which i do not find (debianà
14:54:29ddaltonyou need it
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14:55:11dnanarddalton: ah ok thanks :-)
14:55:23ddaltonXavierGr_: What other players could we get this working on?
14:55:37XavierGr_I am not sure
14:57:20XavierGr_hmm the patch as it is on the wiki shouldn't work on x5, the person who says that works must have changed a line in the patch in order to make it work
14:57:34dnanarwhy ?
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14:59:08XavierGr_because the patch changes config-h300.h instead of config-iaudiox5.h
14:59:23XavierGr_I will update it
14:59:48dnanarok thanks for the info :)
15:01:04ddaltonXavierGr_: What needs to be updated?
15:01:29dnanarand still another question please: for setting the hour of the alarm, i should boot on cowon firmware ?
15:01:48dnanar−−- firmware/export/config-h300.h(revision 14811)
15:01:49dnanar+++ firmware/export/config-h300.h(working copy)
15:01:57ddaltondnanar: if you use XavierGr_'s patch then set it in rockbox
15:02:33ddaltono I see
15:02:34dnanarso there will be a menu in rockbox where i can do this ? cool :-)
15:02:57ddaltonyes /seetings/general settings/system/alarm what ever it is called
15:02:58XavierGr_aply the patch and just add "#define HAVE_RTC_ALARM" on config-iaudiox5.h
15:03:48ddaltonXavierGr_: so it will be able to wake up the player with the original bootloader?
15:03:51dnanarok, so when compiler checks if this define exist, if yes, it adds an item to a menu ?
15:04:12ddaltonit just tells it that it can use the alarm
15:04:30ddaltonand uses all the alarm code which involves a menu somewhere
15:04:33XavierGr_dnanar: somewhat
15:05:11dnanarok :)
15:06:04dnanarcompiling the compiler is longer than compiling rockbox ;s
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15:08:20XavierGr_dnanar: I coudln't imagine the opposite
15:08:37XavierGr_dnanar: patch updated for x5
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15:11:52amiconnXavierGr: If it works on X5 it should also work on M5
15:12:12XavierGrthen I will update it again
15:12:17XavierGr(and compile just to be sure)
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15:14:18Genre9mp3XavierGr: hehe... your patch is growing :)
15:15:34XavierGrwell thank preglow for that too :P
15:18:01ddaltondnanar: did you run like I said?
15:18:51dnanarddalton: yes rockbox is compiling ;-)
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15:19:44ddaltonXavierGr: How do you change a task?
15:21:07ddaltondnanar: did you run the script?
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15:21:24dnanaryes yes
15:21:25ddaltonhow did you get the compilers?
15:21:42dnanarthe script installed the compiler, and now i'm compiling rockbox :)
15:21:52XavierGrddalton: normal users can't, I think you need a permission for that
15:21:54dnanar(with the installed compiler)
15:22:06XavierGrwow you compiled the crosscompilers so fast?
15:22:08XavierGrwhat pc?
15:22:10ddaltonXavierGr: ok
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15:22:22ddaltoncan you get all the compilers with
15:22:24dnanarXavierGr: huh... athlon xp 2200+ Oo
15:22:41dnanarddalton: maybe not all, but the needed with configure script
15:22:58ddaltonwhat else would you need?
15:23:15dnanari don't know maybe some other tools :)
15:23:25XavierGrdnanar: on my 3Ghz pentium 3 I think it takes 30 minutes to build them
15:23:56ddaltonXavierGr: yep the sleep timer works good with the alarm
15:23:57XavierGrmake that pentium 4
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15:24:36dnanarand what should i upload to the player when the compilation of rockbox is finished please ?
15:25:08XavierGrafter make, run make zip
15:25:20XavierGrthen unzip the file to your player and you are ready
15:25:38dnanaroops sorry i didn't read the whole wiki page :)
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15:26:35XavierGryeah that can make a difference :P
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15:29:04ddaltonok its getting late here I better go
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15:29:07dnanarwe will see in exactly 3 minutes if the patch does works :)
15:29:26dnanargood night ddalton and thanks :)
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15:31:45dnanaryeah, it does works :))
15:32:34dnanarbut with dual boot it boots on cowon firmware. no problem i will erase this moron firmware
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15:37:11dnanarlet's see what funny patch i could also apply héhé
15:39:00dnanaranyway thanks a lot everybody :)
15:39:30JdGordonwhats a good way to shorten "status" to something simple for a #define?
15:46:48dnanar#define statux a
15:46:56dnanar#define statux2 b
15:47:05dnanarthat's the best way ;-p
15:47:29JdGordondnanar: missed what i was asking... /me uses STAT
15:51:10*petur plans to ask royalties for using that :p
15:52:17JdGordonok, you can have 0.001% of my share of the rockbox royalties
15:52:23dnanarJdGordon: ok =)
15:52:36dnanarpetur: rockbox is not gpl'ed ? ;-)
15:52:59JdGordonyou can still get paid for gpl'd code
15:53:07peturI didn't release that 'stat' tip under gpl ;)
15:53:20peturbetter remove it from the source ;)
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15:54:09peturin there a way in langv2 to define stuff only for swcodec?
15:54:36peturnm, found it
15:54:37JdGordonin the .lang?
15:55:05*petur uses 'recording_swcodec'
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16:06:25dnanardoes anyone know how to "undo" a patch please ?
16:07:15krazykitpatch -R
16:08:44dnanarkrazykit: ok thanks =)
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16:16:03dnanaranyone knows some cool patch/plugin for cowon iaudio X5L please ? ;)
16:16:46zooooki'm working on the creative firmware and was asked to add some info to the wiki, but I don't have permissions for it
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16:17:57dnanarfrancais ? ;)
16:18:01faelnorsalut :)
16:18:07KwenTeenbien la peine de critiquer mirc faelnor ah si tu parles
16:18:08zooookis there anyone around who can grant me those?
16:18:10obozooook: what is your wikiname?
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16:18:43peturKwenTeen: english please
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16:19:03KwenTeenyeah :/ hello and see u later
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16:20:03dnanarand i were wondering: is there any tutorial/help/reference of rockbox functions to create a plugin please ?
16:20:29peturdnanar: look at the wiki and the helloworld plugin
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16:21:17obozooook: done
16:23:44dnanarpetur: thanks a lot =)
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16:25:07zooookobo: thanks
16:26:05dnanarand... i do not understand how to "set up" a plugin: after writing the source code and adding it to apps/, what should i do to "add" the plugin to the makefile please ?
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16:26:24peturadd it to SOURCES
16:26:31peturand FILES
16:27:13kugelcan someone tell me how to automate building a build?
16:27:24kugelon ubuntu
16:27:31dnanarpetur: ok thanks a lot =)
16:28:13peturdnanar: fyi, that info was in that wiki page too :p
16:28:32peturkugel: the scrips used for the site are in svn too iirc
16:28:55dnanarkugel: svn co svn:// rockbox;mkdir build;cd build;sh ../tools/
16:29:14dnanarado wahat you want to do and then "make"
16:29:23dnanarand do what*
16:29:36dnanarpetur: arf sorry i must be blind Oo
16:29:44kugelwhen I loaded the svn and apllied all the patches
16:30:17kugeli want the script to do everthing, so that i have the complete zip file
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16:30:53peturkugel: make and make zip are all you need
16:31:02srif my iaudio x5 isn't charging anymore (both by usb and ac adaptator)
16:31:12srdoes that mean I have to sent it back to cowon?
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16:31:28petursr: sounds like it
16:31:46kugelbut when i do ../tools/configure i need to type my target and the build type
16:31:59kugelhow to tell the script so that it does that
16:32:00srpetur, do you known how long it usualy take?
16:32:10petursr: no idea
16:32:43dnanarkugel: use unix pipe
16:33:21dnanarfor exemple, iaudio X5 normal build : script < 30 \n M
16:33:24dnanari think
16:33:30JesseDeisingerHello, I signed up for the wiki and would like write permission
16:34:05dnanarkugel: ../tools/configure <<< 30 N i meant
16:34:09dnanar ../tools/configure <<< 30 N
16:34:27dnanarfor bash version > 3 i think
16:34:29kugel../tools/configure; <30 \n M \n;make ??
16:34:36oboJesseDeisinger: done
16:34:47dnanar ../tools/configure <<< 30 N;make;make zip
16:34:55kugelok cool
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16:36:03Domonokybetter would be: ../tools/configure << 30 N && make && make zip, so it stops when it errors.. :-)
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16:36:39kugeland how do i make a script file?
16:36:51dnanarDomonoky: yes =)
16:36:57Domonokyask google.. :-)
16:36:57dnanarkugel: script file ?
16:37:17acglaHey, i think i bricked my sansa, could someone help me?
16:37:24kugeli want just to run a script to do all this things
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16:38:03krazykitacgla, your sansa is not bricked, you just need to go through the recovery procedure
16:38:12dnanarkugel: follows Domonoky idea ;-p
16:39:03dnanardoes anyone knows where to find original .wad file for doom ? ;)
16:39:27peturdnanar: buy it?
16:39:52faelnorok since this is newbie question time, is two or multiple fonts for one wps something planned ? ;)
16:39:58dnanarwe can still buy doom ? isn't too old ? Oo
16:40:01kugelah ok got it
16:40:16peturdnanar: this is off-topic anyway
16:40:25acglakrazykit: i've tried a couple, like replacing the bootloader with the original one, so it would boot the r firmware but now it wont boot past the SanDisk logo
16:40:39webguest57Hello. i was using cygwin and was having some trouble. i was at the stage that you identify the player your compiling for. it says the command was invalid. any help?
16:40:53dnanarpetur: ah i thought that like there exist a doom plugin ;-)
16:41:06Domonokyfaelnor: there are no plans.. but we would like to support multiple fonts.. but someone has to code it the right way.. :-)
16:41:22faelnorthanks Domonoky
16:41:22krazykitacgla, if you're on a windows machine, you can probably use sansa's tool, whatever it might be
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16:41:23peturdnanar: doom plugin, yes, getting wad's, no
16:41:30kugelthanks dnanar and Domonoky
16:41:32dnanarok :)
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16:41:56faelnori have no time to work on rockbox right now (except making my own theme) but i'd be interested in joining the team one day
16:42:01obowebguest57: what command?
16:42:07acglakrazykit: im on linux (ubuntu), you mean the e200tool?
16:42:27krazykitacgla, no, i meant whatever sansa's official tool was, but since you're not on windows, it's a moot point
16:43:00acglakrazykit:i could use my other pc though
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16:43:58krazykitacgla, might be easier.
16:44:00obowebguest57: you're running that from within a build folder, which itself is within the rockbox source folder?
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16:46:47acglakrazykit: i found an updater tool from Sandisk, but nothing about a recovery tool
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16:47:10krazykitthe updater might fix it, otherwise, we'll have to figure out how to get e200tool workign for you
16:48:04Domonokywebguest57: answer obos question...
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16:48:12acglakrazykit: i dont think the updater would work, because when i plug it into my pc, it doesnt mount, and lsusb doesnt see it
16:48:24acglakrazykit: i doubt windows would
16:48:33krazykiti suppose that's true.
16:49:05peturwebguest57: look at the question obo asked: where are you running that command from?
16:49:15acglakrazykit: i can boot into both recovery and manufacturer mode, so i don't think it's completely bricked
16:49:39webguest57oh... um... Dos...
16:50:43webguest57i click on cygwin and dos comes up. i enter all that stuff but i dosent work, ../tools/configure
16:51:17Domonokywebguest57: thats the cygwin command promt and not dos...
16:51:36acglakrazykit: i tried that, but i cant seem to find the binary-patched e200r bootloader
16:51:42Domonokyand we want to know in which folder you aren in cygwin when you enter the command..
16:52:11krazykitacgla, well, let's get it back to how it was. do you have the unpatched bootloader?
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16:53:52acglakrazykit: i have the ones i downloaded from
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16:56:51MBaller20any news on the development of the e200r auto-instaler. Just wondering.
16:57:57krazykitacgla, i'm pretty sure there's an unpatched e200r bootloader somewhere
16:57:58webguest57any help? anyone?
16:58:15krazykitwebguest57, have some patience, really.
16:58:56peturwebguest57: how do you expect to get help when you do not answer the questions you're asked?
16:59:28krazykitacgla, really, i don't have an e200r, just the vanilla.
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17:00:04krazykitthat appears to be the e200r bootloader
17:00:18acglakrazykit: should i try recovering with e200tool?
17:00:38acglakrazykit: like e200tool recover <link you gave me>
17:00:52webguest57IM TRYING I AM NOT UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION!!! plz repeeat them. i am stresed out right now
17:01:00krazykitacgla, yep
17:01:09peturwebguest57: stop shouting
17:01:20acglakrazykit: ok, ill try that, thanks for your help
17:01:26peturwebguest57: [16:51] <Domonoky> and we want to know in which folder you aren in cygwin when you enter the command..
17:02:23webguest57build. in the wiki, it says that they used build as the folder
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17:02:25acglakrazykit: oh, i forgot, in which mode should i put the sansa in? recovery or manufactury?
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17:03:24krazykitacgla, manufacturing for the bootloader.
17:03:39dnanargoodnight everybody !
17:03:45MBaller20anyone know a great site to help a noob on linux, like me, learn how to use a livecd because i'm having problems booting it up. Thanks.
17:03:50acglakrazykit:thanks, i'll do that right now
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17:05:00acglamballer20: try entering the bios when you boot and then change the boot order, make sure you put CD-ROM first
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17:06:33MBaller20i've done that and got to the menu where it says start or install or something like that but when i selected it a peach or tan colored blank screen came up and only a cursor showwed.
17:06:55krazykitMBaller20, sounds like it's ubuntu. go ask #ubuntu
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17:07:11MBaller20yeah, it is ubuntu
17:07:37webguest57in the build folder, where they tell u
17:07:45acglamballer: or you could try another distro, because it sound like ubuntu doesnt like your video card
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17:09:11MBaller20i'm going to wait for another week to see if any progress on the auto-installer for the e200r but if not, i'll try to learn everyhting i need to to do it manually. Thank for your replies.
17:09:33peturwebguest57: and where did you create this build folder?
17:10:37webguest57i dont real;ly know. it only said "cd folder" where folder is the foler name is
17:11:54peturfrom your build folder, do "cd .." and tell me if you see directories called app and tools (and others)
17:12:27peturerrr do "dir" to see the list of files and dirs of course
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17:13:55krazykitpetur, er, dir isn't a valid command. he should be seeing a bash prompt.
17:14:11krazykitunless dir is aliased to ls.
17:14:33peturI can even dir on my ubuntu :p
17:14:39webguest57i do get lots of bash prompts
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17:16:45peturwebguest57: so it works?
17:17:05webguest57i see nothing
17:17:42peturyou can't see nothing... start telling what you really see and not what you think you see
17:18:27peturdo dir (or ls), select the output and copy it to a site like pastebin please
17:18:44webguest57After entering dir it goes down a line but nothing happens
17:19:03krazykitwebguest57, what's the output of pwd
17:19:13krazykitpetur, it can if he's in an empty directory.
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17:19:46peturkrazykit: no. If he was in his build dir and did "cd .." it cannot be empty
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17:20:10webguest57" home/compaq_owner/build "to pwf
17:20:46peturnot type "cd .." without the quotes
17:21:44webguest57same outcome as above
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17:22:29peturwebguest57: no. pwd should now say "home/compaq_owner"
17:23:19webguest57yea... it does..
17:23:32peturnow type "dir"
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17:24:25webguest57Is says build under the prompt
17:24:36peturand nothing else?
17:24:59peturdid you even checkout the code from svn?
17:25:34webguest57i downloaded it from the site manualy
17:25:45webguest57its on my desktop
17:26:26peturwebguest57: well you have to unzip it to the place where cygwin has your home dir, and create the build dir there
17:26:58webguest57so drag it into the build folder?
17:28:23peturwebguest57: maybe you should consider that this will be nothing for you
17:28:49peturdid you install or build the crosscompilers?
17:29:10webguest57it said that they installed automaticly
17:29:31acglakrazykit: i did it, now it's on recovery mode, anything else i should do?
17:29:58krazykitacgla, maybe put the unpatched r firmware there. i dunno that it's necessary, but it won't hurt
17:30:46acglakrazykit: i should download it from sandisk, right?
17:30:56acglakrazykit: the mi4
17:31:21webguest57plz help me i want to learn plz dont give up i will do evrything you say PLZ
17:31:57krazykitwebguest57, the follow the instructions on the wiki. they tell you EVERYTHIGN on how to set up the cygwin environment correctly.
17:32:19krazykitacgla, mmm, not sure. i know has it somewhere
17:32:57acglakrazykit: thanks
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17:41:38acglakrazykit: it worked, thank you very much
17:42:26krazykitacgla, now that you know the recovery procedure, you can try rockboxing it again without worry :P
17:42:49acglakrazykit: i will : )
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19:19:53Psycoshotis there a way to add vieos on rockbox? I have a 5G 30GB video
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19:20:49daurn|laptoprockbox doesn't do video
19:20:58PsycoshotOh ok.
19:21:18PsycoshotSo I'd have to use a bootloader?
19:22:02Nico_Pdaurn|laptop, Psycoshot; actually rockbox does video:
19:22:24Nico_Pit can't play the files the OFplays, though
19:22:24PsycoshotOh thats good
19:23:55Nico_Pkeep in mind it's still kinda experimental
19:24:19oboand pretty slow on the ipod video, ~10fps
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19:25:05*daurn|laptop swears he read 43fps
19:25:27daurn|laptopah, that was for 128x96
19:27:53PsycoshotDoes it play mp4, I thnk mped is the same?
19:28:11Nico_PPsycoshot: no it doesn't
19:28:20PsycoshotOh damn
19:28:29PsycoshotI have all my vids in mp4 >.>
19:28:36Nico_Pand mp4 is different from mpeg... that's what I meant earlier
19:29:37Nico_PPsycoshot: you can still boot the OF to watch your vids, or convert them... or figure out how to use the video decoding chip the iPod has
19:29:49PsycoshotAnyone tried encoding a mp4 to mpeg, how long it takes?
19:30:17PsycoshotI don't have a bootloader, is iit hard to install?
19:30:21Nico_PPsycoshot: it's not too long...
19:30:26iambenencoding to mpeg is very fast
19:30:50PsycoshotOk Ill just do that then.
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19:51:45joecoolthe hardware EQ on ipod does seem to make a MAJOR difference
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19:52:25webguest91is there anyway someone could give me the patched files so i won't have to use linux?
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19:54:10webguest91i'm using sansa e200r
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19:58:38kugelwow the change to apps/screen_access.c and .h confused so many patches
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19:59:26webguest91does anyone know if i can get these patched files somehow without using linux?
19:59:56kugelwhat do you mean?
19:59:56linuxstb_webguest91: If there was a way, the instructions wouldn't say you must use Linux...
20:00:19webguest91h, sorry for the stupid question
20:00:32linuxstb_webguest91: Getting the patched files isn't the issue - they're available for download, the issue is installing them on your e200r.
20:00:53kugeljust use a live cd webguest
20:00:58kugelyou dont need to install linux
20:01:15webguest91i have one but my computer is way to old to use it
20:01:27kugeldownload f.e. ubuntu 7.04
20:01:30kugeland boot from cd
20:01:57webguest91will ubuntu 7.04 work on an old computer
20:02:24Psycoshothom old
20:02:40webguest91i'm not very sure
20:03:00PsycoshotIt shold
20:03:00webguest91i'll look for the model number
20:04:26kugelhow many ram?
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20:04:33kugelthats most important part
20:04:43webguest9164MB i think
20:05:07kugelit must be over 10 years old
20:05:27webguest91i think more than hat. : )
20:05:29kugelnot sure if any actual OS will run on it
20:05:40kugeltry vista
20:05:42kugellol joke
20:05:48webguest91i have windows xp on it but it runs slow
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20:06:18kugelthe problem is, that a live cs needs way more ram than an installed version
20:06:46kugelif you install linux it might run, but from a live cd most likely not
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20:07:03webguest91will linux remove windows?
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20:08:43Soap_webguest91: No, a LiveCD will boot off of the CD, and run /from/ the CD, it will not remove windows unless you choose to explicitly install Linux, and even then (depending on the distro CD you choose to boot) it will have a variety of ways for you to install, including dual-boot, and full replacement.
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20:09:39kugelyou should really buy a new comp
20:09:43sunjunhey, what does the %t10 wps tag do? its not in the manual
20:09:48webguest91what if i don't choose to install it with a cd? will i still be able to dual-boot
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20:10:05webguest91kugel: If only money grew on trees
20:10:09kugelwhen you choose to boot as live cd
20:10:26kugelyou will allways have dual boot
20:10:45kugelsince linux isnt installed, but booted from the disc
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20:13:08webguest91should i get the server install cd or the alternate install cd?
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20:13:29Nico_Psunjun: the %t tag is used to define the alternation time of sublines
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20:14:32webguest91alternate cd says it install on computers with less than 256MB so i think i'll go with that
20:14:36rvvs89webguest91: If you want to run a server then get the server install CD, if you don't then don't
20:15:15sunjunNico_P: i dont quite get it, could you explain it using an example?
20:15:27webguest91well, i don't want to permenantly install it on my computer.
20:17:20sunjunNico_P: thanks
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20:29:39webguest07Hello. i am having diffuculties on getting cywin to do what i want. i always get bash prompts when i try to do as the wiki tells me. any help would be grateful.
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20:43:45kugeli've done mass syncing...
20:44:40PsycoshotHey I installed WinFF on my linux system, and I have to change the xml but I don't know where it is, anyone have a clue?
20:46:34Nico_PPsycoshot: my guess would be ~/.winff
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20:50:59PsycoshotYay it worked, thanks everyone
20:51:22kugelnice, i just need to run 1 script with 3 parameters to load svn, apply all my patches and compile at once
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21:12:25ryanpghi all... I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly what sandisk models are supported
21:12:45ryanpg does this mean any e200 series? i.e. e250?
21:12:45Zagorryanpg: c200 and e200 series
21:13:52ryanpgok cool
21:14:00ryanpgI'm getting ready to buy a birthday gift
21:14:14Zagorthe number after '2' just indicates the flash size
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21:14:48ryanpgok so the c250 sansa (2gb) should work fine with a daily build of rockbox?
21:15:03ryanpgthanks Zagor :)
21:15:08ryanpgdo you have this model?
21:15:29ZagorI do. there are a few buts though, since the c200 series is a very recent port
21:16:12ryanpghrm... well it's for my gf
21:16:15Zagor1: usb connect does not work. you currently have to connect usb while the device is off, so it boots the original firmware and runs usb from there
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21:17:09Zagoralso some plugins are still not fully adapted, so minor things like game play speed or button assignments can be a little off
21:18:09ZagorI noticed for example "chopper" is quite fast and "jackpot" is veery slow
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21:28:37sdoyonWould a dev be willing to review one or two of my patches?
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21:33:04kugelcan someone tell me why "../tools/confirgure <<< 50 N" doesnt work with a ruby script?
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21:36:34sdoyonkugel: well I don't know ruby, but FWIW here with bash, the following seems to work: echo -e "30\nN" |../tools/configure
21:37:00Bagderit's probably the newline that is the key
21:37:38kugelok im gonna try
21:38:31kugeli had "system('../tools/configure <<< 50 N)" which sends the phrase to the shell
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21:39:10Bagderbut there's no newline
21:39:18Bagder50 newline N newline
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21:39:30Bagderso it worked+
21:39:58kugel'../tools/configure <<< 50\nN\n'
21:40:02kugeldidnt work
21:40:04Dark_ApostropheCan anyone help me encode videos so they can be played on my gigabeatf20?
21:40:14BagderI don't know what the <<< operator is so I can't comment on that
21:40:23BagderI use echo -e in very many scripts just fine
21:40:32Dark_ApostropheI tried using the mencoder command, but the video freezes the gigabeat
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21:41:38kugelthe <<< sends the target number and the build type to configure
21:41:41Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb / linuxstb_
21:41:45Dark_ApostropheAre you around? :)
21:41:58Bagderkugel: but if it doesn't work, it doesn't send it the right way...
21:42:30Dark_Apostrophelinuxstb: Can you help me with encoding videos so they'll play on the gigabeat?
21:42:46sdoyonkugel: Presumably it doesn't expand \n into a newline character.
21:42:51Dark_ApostropheI tried encoding an episode of 'Allo 'Allo! with the mencoder command, but it crashes the gigabeat
21:42:55kugelit works when i type it in the terminal
21:43:04kugeljust not when using the ruby script
21:43:13kugel"echo -e "30\nN" |../tools/configure" didnt work either
21:43:34Bagderno echo -e '30\nN' works
21:43:49Bagderwith " you need to use double backslashes
21:44:01kugeli didnt use "
21:44:08kugel'echo -e 30\nN |../tools/configure'
21:44:14kugeland 'echo -e "30\nN" |../tools/configure'
21:44:16BagderI doubt that works either
21:44:27Bagderecho -e '30\nN' | ../tools/configure
21:44:33kugeli dont need double backslash with ruby
21:44:41Bagderthat's not ruby, that's shell
21:44:58linuxstbDark_Apostrophe: I can't say anything apart from what's on the PluginMpegplayer wiki page - winff seems to work well for people (it's available for windows and Linux)
21:45:11Dark_ApostropheYes, I know
21:45:19Dark_Apostrophebut there is a problem with that:
21:45:26Dark_Apostrophethe binary is only for i386
21:45:29Dark_ApostropheI'm on AMD64
21:45:36Dark_Apostropheand I have no fucking clue how to compile Pascal apps
21:46:00kugelwell, i get a different error now
21:46:27kugelnow its "just" "../tools/configure: not found"
21:48:21kugelDark_Apostrophe: do you use a 64-bit OS?
21:48:29Dark_ApostropheDebian Sid
21:48:30kugelor just the CPU
21:50:31kugelwell, with "cd ~/rockbox"+ARGV[1]+"/sim;echo -e 50 N |../tools/configure" he runs configure, but doesnt enter 50 or N
21:50:48kugel"echo -e 50 N |../tools/configure"
21:50:56kugelforget the things before that
21:50:57Bagderecho -e 50 N makes no sense
21:51:15kugelahh, sorry, i tried that too
21:51:33Bagdertried what ?
21:51:37kugelbut echo -e '50\nN\n' |../tools/configure didnt work either
21:51:46Bagderwhy not?
21:51:51kugeli dont know
21:52:07Bagderthat's the method we all use
21:52:16ZagorDark_Apostrophe: amd64 runs i386 binaries.
21:52:35Dark_ApostropheYes, but dpkg refuses to install i386 debs :p
21:53:01kugeli think im just gonna run a shell script
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21:54:09Zagorkugel: are you running an exotic shell?
21:54:17kugeli got it
21:54:26kugelno need for a extra shell script
21:54:33kugelno, bash
21:54:46kugeli found the mistake
21:56:17kugelgreat, thank you Badger
21:56:42sdoyonCould a dev look P7563 over: it speaks the simple and advanced eq settings menus.
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22:00:06BDSare there any rockbox groups using voice i.e. Skype?
22:00:38BagderI've seen some people mention that in mails on the list
22:00:57BDSTnx I will search
22:02:13kugelok, it does not work
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22:02:36kugelsim dir wasnt empty that why he started to compile
22:07:01Zagorcan an e200 user check #7792? It doesn't happen on my c250
22:07:59Zagorhowever the fade-on-pause is horribly slow. on my archos it's ~500ms fade. on the c200 it feels like about two seconds.
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22:08:48Zagorhow is it on other targets?
22:11:54kugelwhat fade is meant? when i press pause?
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22:12:23Zagorkugel: yes
22:13:18kugeli have an e200
22:13:23kugelbut i dont use this patch
22:13:46kugelits no patch^
22:13:50Zagorno :)
22:14:13kugelwhats the issue now?
22:14:33Zagortry and see if your playback stops when you toggle the "fade on pause" setting
22:14:58Zagor(found in settings->general->playback)
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22:15:12kugelit doesnt stop
22:15:55Zagorok, thanks
22:17:23Zagornggh, I'm silly. that was the wrong feature...
22:18:01kugellol :D
22:18:16kugelis someone familiar with the multifont patch?
22:19:05Dark_ApostropheZagor: Never mind, using the windows version under wine
22:19:09Dark_ApostropheIt seems to do the job
22:19:16Zagorhehe, nice workaround
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22:24:32kugelits out-of-sync, and i cant sync it
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22:34:23Zagorgrr, H140 has the slow fade too. who the heck wants a slow fade??
22:34:27Zagornow I understand why people think this function is useless. it IS when it is this slow.
22:34:33Zagorthe purpose of it is to avoid the nasty "click" from sudden abort/resume. it's not a friggin sleep timer!
22:34:55linuxstb;) The first thing I do is disable it...
22:35:18Bagderthat teaches you to not pause! ;-)
22:36:12ZagorI can understand that. I love it in my car. it simply is a softer pause/resume than normal, you can barely tell it's fading.
22:36:31Zagorthis multi-second nonsense is rubbish
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22:47:32tumuneeds moar seconds
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22:56:52Zagoralso, will anyone be very upset if I change the "cd" disk access icon to a more classic "storage cylinder"? It took me a while to understand what the current icon was supposed to be.
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23:00:54Zagorand while I'm digging, why are we mi4-encoding the rockbox binary on sansa?
23:01:59Bagderto make rolo etc do the same
23:02:10Bagderwe don't encrypt it, we just use the mi4 format
23:02:18Zagorah, ok
23:02:19Bagderwhich allows all plain text
23:05:08Zagor5 steps instead of 30 makes the fade sound a lot better
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23:13:35linuxstbCould someone put a new sansapatcher (0.4) release on the download server?
23:13:57linuxstbWe should probably move it out of the e200 directory now...
23:14:35Zagorheh, I made a c200 dir a few days ago
23:14:49BagderZagor: do you take care of it?
23:15:35linuxstbThe c200 bootloader (v2.0) I embedded is this one - (I've just tagged it in SVN as well)
23:16:44Zagorare any of the player-specific files necessary to keep?
23:16:58Zagori mean the ones currently on the download server
23:17:08Bagderyes, keep the bootloader mi4s there
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23:17:45linuxstbGiven the current broken state of the e200 bootloader, it's worth keeping the old sansapatcher (v0.2) there.
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23:23:11Zagorok, now I've sansapatcher is in bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher, which also contains an 'old' directory with the 0.2 and 0.3 versions
23:23:15Zagormy strange very language today is
23:24:44linuxstbOK, I'll update the links in the manual
23:30:06linuxstbZagor: Did you rename the old sansapatcher.dmg file in the macosx directory to sansapatcher-0.2.dmg? It seems it was named wrongly (sansapatcher.dmg should always be the latest version).
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23:32:46Zagorno but it's now in the /bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/old/v0.2/macosx directory. should I still rename it?
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23:35:03linuxstbNo, that's fine - I just wanted to check the right one went to the right place.
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23:50:23fm2How can I do the following? I have a global array. I'd like to define a macro that, upon each usage, would assign a value to the next element of the array.
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23:51:11fm2First, I define the symbol for the current index (#define CUR_IDX 0). But how can I advance the index in a macro?
23:51:26linuxstbfm2: Why hide that in a macro, instead of just doing something like a[i++]=x; ?
23:52:01Zagorwe generally want to avoid macros
23:52:03fm2linuxstb: because all this is done with macros, not with C code.
23:52:17Zagormacros are C code, just more obfuscated
23:52:35*petur points Zagor to the settings code :p
23:52:41fm2linuxstb: I try to automatically populate an array with menu call stats (FS #7809, if you're interested)
23:53:01Zagorpetur: yeah I know. I'm _not_ happy about that.
23:53:25Nico_Pfm2: I don't really see how you're going to be able to increment your current index
23:54:06Nico_Pfm2: do you want the preprocessor to generate initialisation code for your array ?
23:54:52fm2Nico_P: yes, if that's possible. Or is there another way? I want to somehow create a "list" of all defined menu items.
23:56:10fm2With a macro (STATS_STRUCT in my case) I want to declare a static struct and put its address to the next free element in the array.
23:58:23fm2What I have so far is at But I'm afraid this won't work.

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