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| 00:04:04 | fm2 | So do you have any advice? This doesn't have to be an array, I just want to automatically "register" all entries. |
| 00:04:19 | Nico_P | fm2: redefining STATS_ENTRIES_CNT might work... I'm not sure about the # before "name" though |
| 00:05:18 | Nico_P | fm2: also, is this supposed to loop somehow ? |
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| 00:05:43 | fm2 | Nico_P: I'm even not sure that redefining it might work since in the end, you'd have C code like this: a[5] = xxx; And that's not valid C code if it's not in a function. |
| 00:06:30 | fm2 | No, no loops. Just new array entry with every usage of the macro. |
| 00:07:11 | Nico_P | hm yeah you're right about the function thing |
| 00:07:42 | Nico_P | why not use a function instead of a macro ? |
| 00:08:09 | fm2 | Nico_P: ah, yes, that would be the way! |
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| 00:16:09 | bluebrother | rasher: around? |
| 00:16:46 | scorche | i believe he went to sleep |
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| 00:17:39 | bluebrother | ok, then for the logs: seems I got a bit further in regards of PID detection on windows |
| 00:17:57 | Domonoky | bluebrother: nice.. |
| 00:18:03 | linuxstb | Zagor: Is the download server OK? I can't see any of your changes... |
| 00:18:05 | bluebrother | I used VS2005 for trying, so it might not be easy to port it to mingw. |
| 00:18:15 | bluebrother | but at least I _get_ some information now. |
| 00:18:28 | Domonoky | bluebrother: send me the code, and i will try a bit.. :-) |
| 00:18:39 | bluebrother | rasher: in case you want to look, I started with this article: <a target="_blank" href="http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B259695">http://support.microsoft.com/?scid=kb%3Ben-us%3B259695a> |
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| 00:19:15 | Zagor | linuxstb: ouch, forgot to set permissions |
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| 00:21:10 | bluebrother | I need to admit that VS2005 is quite nice to use. |
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| 00:21:31 | bluebrother | especially with the msdn integration −− better than the online version |
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| 00:23:09 | murray2 | Hey guys, anyone available to give me some help. i am having trouble getting offical (from rockbox.org) wps files to display at all. |
| 00:23:34 | scorche | the only "official" wps files are the ones pre-installed with rockbox |
| 00:24:01 | scorche | there is an official repository, but that is just a wiki and files tend to become broken |
| 00:24:05 | bluebrother | Domonoky: gimme some time to try a bit more and cleanup the code :) |
| 00:24:31 | murray2 | ahh, ok, let me see if the ones that came with rockbox work |
| 00:24:41 | Vloosie | I need help. Everytime I try to intailize my database for the first time, my iPod crashes when it reaches about 600 items. Why is this, and can it be fixed easily? |
| 00:24:55 | Domonoky | oki.. the put a patch on the tracker when you are ready, and i will take look tomorrow.. :-) |
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| 00:25:29 | fm2 | Nico_P: still here? |
| 00:25:33 | Nico_P | yes |
| 00:26:09 | kugel | can anyone sync the multifont patch? |
| 00:26:54 | fm2 | Nico_P: I'm afraid it won't work. I can define a function for registering and call to the function. But the call must be in the body of another func. And how to do that −− I don't know. |
| 00:27:53 | fm2 | Nico_P: I can't just write something like static int x=3; register_value(&x); The call to register_value() must be in a func |
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| 00:28:28 | Nico_P | fm2: you could put that in the init code |
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| 00:28:49 | fm2 | What init code? And how? |
| 00:29:08 | murray2 | thanks scorche. i am surprized that basicly every theme/wps i can find from either site is broken. |
| 00:29:33 | kugel | many themes need particular patches |
| 00:30:05 | murray2 | and where do i find those patches? |
| 00:30:11 | fm2 | Nico_P: the declarations and calls are generated by macros. I.e. I have a macro MACRO(name). When used as MACRO(x) it would generate the code above. |
| 00:30:16 | Nico_P | fm2: look at apps/main.c. the init() function calls all sort of init functions |
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| 00:30:47 | kugel | you need to apply the patches to the source code of rockbox |
| 00:31:17 | Nico_P | fm2: you could have void whatever_init(void) { MACRO(a); MACRO(b); ... } |
| 00:31:22 | kugel | you might use a custom build with precompiled patches, if you don't know how to compile |
| 00:31:26 | fm2 | Nico_P: yes, but each usage of the macro generates just a piece of the init's body |
| 00:31:32 | kugel | take a look into the rockbox-forums |
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| 00:31:40 | murray2 | ok |
| 00:32:25 | Nico_P | fm2: I don't see the problem... the macro generates code that you want executed, right ? |
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| 00:32:29 | fm2 | Nico_P: and the macro may be used anywhere in RB, not necessarily all in one place |
| 00:33:01 | murray2 | but the forums are down aparently, or is it just my connection? |
| 00:33:10 | fm2 | Nico_P: right. But just a slice of it. ALl the slices must then be gathered in one func. |
| 00:33:38 | kugel | yep, they are down |
| 00:33:58 | kugel | where are you from? |
| 00:34:23 | Nico_P | fm2: hmm so you want code generated by macros scattered everywhere in the code to go in one particular function ? |
| 00:34:32 | murray2 | originally, fort lauderdale florida, but i'm in tallahassee, florida currently. |
| 00:34:42 | fm2 | Nico_P: yes. |
| 00:34:50 | kugel | ok |
| 00:34:56 | murray2 | why? |
| 00:34:56 | fm2 | Nico_P: two pass compilation :-) |
| 00:35:02 | Nico_P | fm2: I'm afraid that's not possible, at least to my knowledge |
| 00:35:11 | kugel | at www.anythingbutipod.com you can find custom builds as well |
| 00:35:15 | linuxstb | Zagor: I'm still getting nothing... |
| 00:35:17 | kugel | in the forums |
| 00:35:39 | scorche | this is assuming that the themes he is looking at need patches...they could just be broken |
| 00:35:42 | fm2 | Nico_P: but if there's another way to register all the things somehow I#d go for it. I just can't figure out waht it might be. |
| 00:36:00 | kugel | i don't know if there are some for your dap, but for i.e. sansa there are some quite nice available |
| 00:36:18 | murray2 | i have a sansa :-) |
| 00:36:24 | kugel | :) |
| 00:36:26 | Nico_P | fm2: have you looked t the code that creates the menus ? JdGordon used some quite complicated marcos in there |
| 00:36:28 | kugel | same here |
| 00:36:34 | fm2 | Nico_P: every usage of MACRO(x) must register x in a "well known" place |
| 00:36:36 | Zagor | linuxstb: I'm seeing the sansapatcher dir on one mirror, but it still has the wrong permissions. I don't know how often the mirrors rsync. |
| 00:37:06 | murray2 | actually just bought a 6 gb one for $79, but i'm experimenting with my 2 gig. i love these things |
| 00:37:07 | linuxstb | Ah yes, it's just appeared... |
| 00:37:19 | Nico_P | fm2: I'm not sure you can accomplish that |
| 00:37:45 | fm2 | Nico_P: yes. I understand the macros, they are not that complicated. I try to modify them to get the desired effect. And succeded to 80%. But the automatic registering is a problem. |
| 00:38:19 | fm2 | Nico_P: I'm also not sure :-) |
| 00:39:21 | fm2 | Nico_P: but I want to do it either with macros or not at all. Since without macros you'd have to write code manually and that's error prone. |
| 00:39:36 | murray2 | kugel: recomend any custom builds? |
| 00:39:57 | kugel | i'd recommend my own, but it isnt released there :P |
| 00:40:06 | kugel | anyway they are all nice |
| 00:40:12 | fm2 | Nico_P: can preprocessor emit text to a file? |
| 00:40:19 | kugel | take a look at their patch list |
| 00:40:39 | scorche | murray2: kugel: please dont talk about unsupported builds here...take it somewhere else |
| 00:40:43 | Nico_P | fm2: you mean output the preprocessed source ? yes, it can but don't ask me how ;) |
| 00:41:13 | murray2 | oops, sorry. |
| 00:41:33 | fm2 | Nico_P: no, I mean some pp directive to write some text to a specified file |
| 00:42:07 | Nico_P | fm2: I doubt it... the preprocessor is basically conditional search/replace |
| 00:43:11 | fm2 | Nico_P: I'll have to search for it. There is more that just macro substitution. There are e.g. #error directives. And there might be something else as well. |
| 00:43:28 | fm2 | s/that/than/ |
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| 00:44:32 | Zagor | is the e200 button light working fully? when I enable it for the c200 it turns off but never comes on again, until I go into the timeout setting. |
| 00:44:55 | fm2 | But that's not for now. If you'll have an idea let me know or write here. I'll read the logs. |
| 00:45:15 | linuxstb | fm2: If you do "make V=1", you will see the actual gcc lines being executed. You'll need to copy and paste the one you want to use, and add -E to output the pre-processed source. |
| 00:45:16 | fm2 | Zagor: it workes fine for me. But I've now disabled it! :-) |
| 00:45:31 | linuxstb | fm2: See "man gcc" for details |
| 00:46:10 | Zagor | fm2: do you also have one led that keeps on shining when the button leds go out? |
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| 00:46:36 | fm2 | linuxstb: you mean I should gather the output of the pp and then extract the lines needed by a script? And then compile the gathered lines? |
| 00:47:17 | linuxstb | fm2: I thought you just wanted to see what the pre-processor was doing... |
| 00:47:23 | fm2 | Zagor: which LED? The only thing that shines is the wheel IIRC |
| 00:47:41 | fm2 | linuxstb: not quite that, that'd be too simple :-) |
| 00:47:53 | fury1192 | anyone: Hi, i just installed Rockbox on my 5.5g 80gb iPod, I was testing it out and after a few songs it froze, can anyone tell me how to reset rockbox?? |
| 00:48:03 | Zagor | fm2: ok. the c200 apparently has two outputs: one for the button backlight, and one that lights up the word "menu" under the power/menu button. |
| 00:48:31 | linuxstb | fury1192: ipods have a hardware reset (nothing to do with Rockbox) - hold MENU+SELECT together for a few seconds. |
| 00:48:33 | Zagor | that little menu light could be used as a disk light :) |
| 00:49:08 | fm2 | Zagor: LED misuse you want! |
| 00:50:12 | fm2 | linuxstb: do you have some ideas (or maybe a solution from the past) for me? How to automatically register things declared by macros? |
| 00:50:14 | Zagor | nah. i'm mostly intrigued why the button light works in its' setting but not in any other place |
| 00:50:20 | fury1192 | linuxstb: i hav tried that its not working, it seems to have completely froze, by the way i am running rockbox when it froze |
| 00:50:20 | fury1192 | well, ill try it again |
| 00:50:46 | Vloosie | Mine freezes when you try to intailize the database. |
| 00:51:14 | fm2 | linuxstb: i.e. call a function for each usage of the macro. |
| 00:51:23 | fury1192 | Vloosie: Are you referrring to the rockbox ipod situation?? |
| 00:51:31 | fm2 | Or I'll just leave it for now. |
| 00:52:17 | Vloosie | Rockbox iPod situation? |
| 00:52:37 | Isolinear | <a target="_blank" href="http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=48367">http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=48367a> Is that the only place to get Rockbox font converter? |
| 00:52:42 | fury1192 | linuxstb: i just tried tha menu=select action, nothing is working on my ipod |
| 00:52:47 | linuxstb | fm2: I don't understand the problem - why can't you just make the macro call a function? |
| 00:52:48 | fm2 | A soulution might really be to scan the output of the PP, collect the "interesting" lines, and make a function out of them (all those lines going to the unc's ody) |
| 00:53:22 | Vloosie | Fury1192: try hitting it, make sure it's unlocked, or plug it into your computer/wall outlet |
| 00:53:34 | fm2 | linuxstb: because the macro is not used within another function's body. But at the "declaration" level. |
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| 00:54:16 | linuxstb | fm2: OK... |
| 00:54:28 | scorche | fury1192: if menu + select doesnt work, then you are doing it wrong |
| 00:54:30 | fm2 | linuxstb: the macro declares a static variable (e.g. static int x=5;) And then I want to register this x (or its address) in some place (array, file, ...) |
| 00:54:37 | fury1192 | vloosie, i tried hooking it up to my computer, my computer is not reading it |
| 00:54:59 | fury1192 | scorche: what do u mean?? |
| 00:55:18 | fury1192 | scorche: may i have installed it wrong?? Rockbox i mean... |
| 00:55:33 | fm2 | linuxstb: I'm curious if someone have ever done such thing. This is like TeX producing table of contents. |
| 00:55:33 | scorche | menu + select will always work unless you have hardware issues |
| 00:55:51 | fm2 | linuxstb: At least two passes are needed. |
| 00:55:56 | linuxstb | fm2: TeX does that by doing two passes over the files... |
| 00:55:58 | scorche | turn the hold switch on and off, then hold menu+select for up to 30 seconds |
| 00:56:04 | linuxstb | (what you just said...) |
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| 00:56:19 | fury1192 | scorche: ok |
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| 00:56:29 | linuxstb | fm2: Sounds like you need to step back and think of a different solution. |
| 00:56:34 | fm2 | linuxstb: I could do the same if the PP could emit text to the file specified by me |
| 00:56:43 | Vloosie | fury1192: my friend got his ipod messed up one time, he let it sit there for like a month and the battery competly died down and it works now |
| 00:57:07 | Vloosie | But hey, anyone: How can I intailize my database without it crashing? |
| 00:57:08 | fm2 | linuxstb: he-he. The simplest solution is to leave it for now. |
| 00:57:20 | scorche | menu+select will work if done right...no need to go to uneccesary extremes |
| 00:57:33 | fm2 | I'm not even sure I want to further work on it since the first reaction was rather negative. |
| 00:57:50 | fury1192 | i am considering to let the battery die down, but considering mine is the 80gb ipod, the battery wont die for awhile, and im not waiting that long |
| 00:57:57 | fm2 | Even before there was something to really try out :-/ |
| 00:58:04 | scorche | will you just listen to me? |
| 00:58:17 | fury1192 | my battery was fully charged when i put rockbox in |
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| 00:59:23 | fury1192 | scorche: i held menu + select for about a minute, nothing is going on |
| 00:59:32 | scorche | then you are still doing it wrong |
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| 00:59:51 | Vloosie | fury1192 Did you check the "HOLD" Switch? |
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| 01:00:01 | fury1192 | scorche: on the top left on the screen it says "Data abort at 4000130C" |
| 01:00:11 | scorche | fury1192: it doesnt matter |
| 01:00:18 | fury1192 | Vloosie: yes i checked the hold switch |
| 01:00:20 | scorche | turn hold on and off, then hold menu+select |
| 01:01:09 | linuxstb | fury1192: Also, make sure you're not touching anything else - hold menu+select very still. It _never_ fails if you do it correctly. |
| 01:01:32 | fury1192 | scorche: well now its jus working, those two or three times it didnt work, well thanks, is there any tips to suggest to avoids this?? |
| 01:01:46 | fury1192 | *avoid this?? |
| 01:01:58 | fury1192 | linuxstb: it works now |
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| 01:05:19 | fury1192 | linuxstb, scorche, Vloosie: thanks for the help, ill be more careful with rockbbox |
| 01:05:38 | linuxstb | fury1192: Do you get data abort errors frequently? |
| 01:06:14 | fury1192 | linuxstb, well this is my first time using rockbox, i just installed rockbox about an hour ago |
| 01:06:20 | fury1192 | then it froze |
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| 01:07:14 | bluebrother | Domonoky: woot! It works using MinGW! |
| 01:07:30 | fury1192 | linuxstb, but yes, i did get a data error, on the top left corner of the screen it said "Data abort at 4000130C" |
| 01:07:43 | fury1192 | If u would call that an error |
| 01:07:55 | linuxstb | fury1192: Are you using the ipodlinux bootloader? |
| 01:08:00 | fury1192 | no |
| 01:08:07 | fury1192 | rockbox bootloader |
| 01:08:32 | fury1192 | linuxstb: i read all the directions on tha rockbox site on how to install it |
| 01:08:34 | linuxstb | And you followed the install instructions and used the download links in the manual? |
| 01:08:42 | fury1192 | yes |
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| 01:12:04 | kkurbjun | hey JdGordon |
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| 01:14:30 | bluebrother | Domonoky: in case you're still around take a look here: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/">http://www.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de/~uhcn/rockbox/rbutil/a> |
| 01:14:56 | JdGordon | hey kkurbjun |
| 01:14:57 | bluebrother | the binary is build using mingw and shouldn't have external dependencies we can assume to be present on a standard windows install |
| 01:15:14 | bluebrother | I'll look into merging it into the rbutil code tomorrow |
| 01:15:22 | bluebrother | but I should get some sleep now ... |
| 01:17:01 | bluebrother | grrr. Didn't I tell this stupid VS to use spaces to indent? |
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| 01:28:02 | kkurbjun | jdgordon, is the remote button driver working? |
| 01:28:21 | JdGordon | should be |
| 01:28:35 | JdGordon | mrobe->remote only atm though |
| 01:28:43 | kkurbjun | so I just need to call button_read_device? |
| 01:28:47 | JdGordon | yeah |
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| 01:42:26 | JdGordon | kkurbjun: havee you had another go at getting interupts working? |
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| 01:44:27 | kkurbjun | JdGordon: yeah, I'm getting closer, the vector table /seems/ to be geting copied propery, but the vectors are still not triggering |
| 01:44:40 | kkurbjun | I mean interrupts are not triggering |
| 01:45:01 | JdGordon | :( |
| 01:45:22 | * | linuxstb_ wonders how Tomasz managed an empty commit |
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| 02:02:13 | vloosie | WHY would RockBox crash when it intailizes my database. |
| 02:02:23 | vloosie | It crashes at around 600 files. |
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| 02:04:04 | ddalton | XavierGr: How hard do you think it would be to make the alarm be able to go off on certain days? For example week days and on weekends it doesn't. |
| 02:04:15 | Soap | vloosie, Unfortunately at this time Rockbox does hang on files with "bad" metadata when parsing the tags while creating the database. It is not the ideal behavior on Rockbox's part, but it IS an indication of a file with invalid tags. |
| 02:04:47 | vloosie | Okay, so do you know how I can fix this? |
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| 02:07:26 | Domonoky | bluebrother: for the logs.. your usb detection code works.. i just copyed it into rbutil (added a malloc before the first SetupDi Loop ) , and rbutil can now detect my h120 via usb pid & vid on windows ! :-) |
| 02:08:20 | vloosie | Soap? |
| 02:08:35 | Soap | find out which file is causing the hang is your best bet vloosie. You do that by (for example) removing half of your files from the player, and trying again. Keep splitting your files in half and eventually you will be able to narrow it down. It's a painful method, but it works. |
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| 02:10:48 | vloosie | I think I'll pass... :/ I know one of the files is in the "F02" folder in my iPod though... |
| 02:11:08 | vloosie | Is it because of invalid charactors that RockBox doesn't reconize, Soap? |
| 02:11:27 | vloosie | in the ID3 Tags |
| 02:13:15 | Soap | It depends on what you mean by "invalid characters", vloosie. Someone more knowledgeable than me will need to speak up, or you will need to search the forums on diagnosing this problem. |
| 02:13:38 | vloosie | :/ |
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| 02:15:11 | vloosie | what i mean is weird charactors like "ØĶډ►ŷ¢®" in the ID3 tags, Soap I was thinking this migh mess it up? |
| 02:15:15 | vloosie | Anyways thanks for your help. |
| 02:17:07 | kkurbjun | JdGordon: I have interrupts running now, but I don't think that the code to handle the interrupt is jumping to the right address.. |
| 02:17:14 | kkurbjun | closer though |
| 02:18:13 | BDS | E200 - Any method to reverse the action of the Scroll Up and Scroll Down control? |
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| 02:47:30 | XavierGr | ddalton: that's my next plan |
| 02:47:54 | XavierGr | though it will be somewhat tricky, first I have to see if all rtc alarms on rockbox targets can support this |
| 02:48:54 | XavierGr | so far, pcf50606, pcf50605, s3c2440a definitely support this |
| 02:49:13 | ddalton | XavierGr: What about the buttons? How will we get around this. For example how would you adjust the date, hour and minute? |
| 02:49:31 | XavierGr | I have a patch already for this |
| 02:49:40 | XavierGr | unified alarm screen with time/date screen |
| 02:49:43 | ddalton | can you upload it somewhere? |
| 02:49:48 | XavierGr | the time/date screen provides all the code for it |
| 02:50:00 | ddalton | so I wasted my time with p7682? |
| 02:50:20 | XavierGr | well right now it will be useless because you can't set dates on alarm |
| 02:50:44 | ddalton | so you wrote the patch so you could set the date? |
| 02:50:56 | ddalton | when you get around to implementing that? |
| 02:51:02 | XavierGr | ddalton: well until the alarm_menu is replaced your patch isn't a waste |
| 02:51:19 | XavierGr | ddalton: I wrote a patch to unify the alarm and time/date screen |
| 02:51:20 | ddalton | ok I guess it was pretty simple anyway. |
| 02:51:29 | XavierGr | I still need to write the drivers to support alarm dates |
| 02:52:35 | XavierGr | I will try to do it in the following day |
| 02:52:37 | XavierGr | +s |
| 02:58:03 | Soap_ | BDS: I assume you mean you want Clockwise and counterclockwise rotations to have reverse actions? If so, this should actually be a very simple change to make - in the source code. "Button" actions are not configurable inside of Rockbox. If you have not yet compiled your own copy of Rockbox, there are many excellent pages on doing so linked to from the Docs Index of the wiki. And I do stress that is should be a very simple code change, one which, aft |
| 02:58:03 | Soap_ | er you set up a build enviroment, you should be able to make in a very short amount of time and have your own custom Rockbox. |
| 02:59:57 | Soap_ | Rockbox, unlike many many many other open source projects, actually provides three pre-made build enviroments for you to choose from. Well, actually two pre-built enviroments and detailed instructions on making the third. This should allow a relative noobie to get up in going in only minutes to a few short hours depending on level of experience, reading speed, and CPU speed. |
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| 03:00:28 | scorche | O_O |
| 03:00:57 | ddalton | XavierGr: Is that hard? (About the drivers) |
| 03:02:42 | XavierGr | ddalton: not that hard, though I am a newbie on the drivers thing. It will be more confusing if not all alarms support it, probably #ifdef hell etc. |
| 03:03:13 | ddalton | XavierGr: So what do the drivers do exactly? |
| 03:03:29 | XavierGr | ok DS3231 supports it too |
| 03:04:12 | XavierGr | ddalton: you can look the code at /firmware/drivers/rtc |
| 03:04:29 | XavierGr | there lies the code for each rtc that rockbox targets have |
| 03:04:41 | XavierGr | the driver tells to the hardware exactly what to do |
| 03:06:15 | JdGordon | XavierGr: alarm dates can be faked if the hardware doesnt support it |
| 03:06:28 | JdGordon | as long as its turned on before the day its supposed to, manually |
| 03:06:56 | BDS | Thanks Soap - I will do that when time permits - I'm left handed so the control reverse will help my backwards brain... |
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| 03:07:19 | XavierGr | JdGordon: yes, exactly |
| 03:11:02 | XavierGr | ok archos recorder m41st84w supports it as well |
| 03:11:04 | XavierGr | 2 to go |
| 03:13:07 | ddalton | XavierGr: Are you working on the drivers? |
| 03:15:15 | XavierGr | H10 rtc alarm e8564 doesn't support year for triggering the alarm |
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| 03:15:48 | XavierGr | hmm well H10 doesn't even have the driver for the alarm on rockbox |
| 03:15:56 | ddalton | in see can you write If or do you need to write if |
| 03:16:09 | XavierGr | ddalton: I am gathering the datasheets for each targets that has an rtc |
| 03:16:21 | ddalton | XavierGr: where from? |
| 03:16:28 | XavierGr | internet |
| 03:16:32 | ddalton | google |
| 03:16:34 | ddalton | ?? |
| 03:17:00 | XavierGr | ddalton: didn't understand your previous sentence... (the "in see you...") |
| 03:17:04 | XavierGr | yes google and rockbox wiki |
| 03:17:52 | ddalton | can you use an uper case i when you write if (what ever) or do you need to write if (what ever) |
| 03:18:55 | ddalton | are c's keywords case sensative? |
| 03:19:01 | XavierGr | yes they are |
| 03:19:03 | ddalton | like int if for while and so on |
| 03:19:16 | ddalton | ok that's what was wrong with my patch |
| 03:19:41 | ddalton | I wrote if instead of if once in my patch |
| 03:19:42 | XavierGr | all c keywords are lowercase if I am not mistaken |
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| 03:20:08 | ddalton | I have always used loer case but I doubt I have used them all |
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| 03:20:44 | XavierGr | when I say 'keywords' I don't mean variable and function names |
| 03:20:54 | ddalton | sdoyon: did you get my email? |
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| 03:21:06 | XavierGr | I mean words like 'if, else, while etc.' |
| 03:21:12 | ddalton | yep |
| 03:22:47 | XavierGr | damn, can anyone find the as3514 datasheet? (for sansa) it seems that the company asks me for details to hand it over to me |
| 03:24:10 | XavierGr | ah forget that, you need an nda for it. And it must be the one that rockbox got after the AS meeting |
| 03:24:36 | sdoyon | ddalton: I did. |
| 03:26:11 | stevenm | Hey guys, would anyone be interested in a plugin that works similar to this? <a target="_blank" href="http://www.flashmusicgames.com/drum_machine.html">http://www.flashmusicgames.com/drum_machine.htmla> |
| 03:26:28 | stevenm | (only where you can directly edit the grid items) |
| 03:26:39 | stevenm | there was a better example but i couldn't find it.. |
| 03:27:42 | stevenm | it'd be a grid, with drums on the vertical axis and time on the horizontal.. and you could move around and put in the notes, then hit Play and it'd loop it |
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| 03:30:35 | kkurbjun | looks like a cool idea |
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| 03:30:45 | kkurbjun | what about a full tracker though ;) |
| 03:31:02 | stevenm | that sounds painful from a UI standpoint |
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| 03:31:37 | stevenm | the sound code isn't hard.. just include all the midi stuff. but the UI would need work |
| 03:33:37 | stevenm | we don't have any tracker code, do we? ie, mod etc? |
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| 03:38:18 | kkurbjun | there is a mod player in the tracker |
| 03:38:25 | kkurbjun | the rockbox tracker that is |
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| 03:39:26 | stevenm | aah |
| 03:39:48 | stevenm | well, i'll be back later. bye for now |
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| 04:08:57 | sdoyon | That annoying wait for the Sansa's database to refresh, when rebooting in the original firmware to use USB |
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| 04:09:08 | sdoyon | Could we avoid it by repartitioning perhaps? |
| 04:09:44 | alienbiker99 | the best way to fix it is the usb stack inrockbox |
| 04:10:31 | sdoyon | Sure. What's the status on that? |
| 04:10:35 | chrisjs169 | there's a way to fix it, but nobody's had it working for a while |
| 04:10:43 | chrisjs169 | as for USB, it's getting there |
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| 04:14:36 | sdoyon | And is there a way to connect USB into the Sansa to have it charge, but continue operating it while it charges? |
| 04:17:29 | sitwon | sdoyon, it will if you connect it to a charger. It can detect the difference between a computer and a wall-charger |
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| 04:18:11 | sitwon | personally, I'd like an option in the settings somewhere to have it just charge even when it's plugged into a computer, but I'm not willing to hack it in myself at this point |
| 04:18:51 | chrisjs169 | sitwon, hold select while plugging in your Sansa |
| 04:19:40 | sitwon | oh wow. Thanks chrisjs169! |
| 04:19:49 | chrisjs169 | well, sitwon and sdoyon |
| 04:19:54 | sdoyon | Thanks! |
| 04:19:56 | * | chrisjs169 's tired ;) |
| 04:20:29 | chrisjs169 | no problem :) |
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| 04:21:35 | sdoyon | What about the alarm wakeup function? The DeviceChart wiki page says it's supported, but that doesn't seem to have been implemented? |
| 04:22:04 | alienbiker99 | erggg this is weird, my sansa isnt turning on but the computer recognizes it |
| 04:22:18 | alienbiker99 | err, it recognizes it as a usb device |
| 04:22:31 | chrisjs169 | alienbiker99, describe "isn't turning on" |
| 04:22:49 | chrisjs169 | sdoyon, I'm not sure about the alarm - I've heard a bit about it, but haven't found it anywhere |
| 04:22:56 | alienbiker99 | no blue wheel light and nothing on the screen |
| 04:23:05 | alienbiker99 | screen stays black, no backlight |
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| 04:23:42 | alienbiker99 | oh nevermind, it just turned on. |
| 04:23:42 | chrisjs169 | alienbiker99, sounds like it crashed |
| 04:23:47 | chrisjs169 | lol |
| 04:23:55 | ew73 | Greetings! I've a Query! |
| 04:24:01 | chrisjs169 | otherwise you could try holding power for 15 seconds |
| 04:24:07 | chrisjs169 | ew73, ok |
| 04:24:15 | alienbiker99 | yeah i think it did, i just held down the power and i guess it reset itself |
| 04:24:34 | ew73 | Am I slightly retarded, doing something wrong, or does the battery usage on the ipod kind of suck? |
| 04:25:04 | alienbiker99 | oh chrisjs169, you make the sansa custom build right? |
| 04:25:25 | chrisjs169 | ew73, IIRC the battery usage on the ipod "sucks" because of the devs not being able to figure out some of the power save features |
| 04:25:37 | chrisjs169 | alienbiker99, yes, I'm the one who's spent the past few hours trying to fix my custom build ;) |
| 04:25:56 | ew73 | chrisjs169: I must send a bag of flaming poo to Steve Jobs' home, then. |
| 04:26:16 | alienbiker99 | ah, i tried getting the latest supdate yesterday but it wasnt working. did you fix all the build errors? |
| 04:26:32 | chrisjs169 | alienbiker99, did it freeze at the menu? |
| 04:26:41 | alienbiker99 | yeah |
| 04:26:59 | alienbiker99 | im going to downloada different day now |
| 04:27:07 | chrisjs169 | alienbiker99, i'm still working on fixing that - I think the screen_access.c modifications messed it up |
| 04:28:09 | chrisjs169 | anything earlier than Sept 20 should be fine |
| 04:28:14 | alienbiker99 | oh i see. and it also had like um i guess it was black lines at the top, i don't know if it was a messed up status bar or that weird sansa 2line thing (i've never had that). |
| 04:29:22 | chrisjs169 | alienbiker99, the "black lines" were part of the splash screen - the 2 line thing should be fixed, it's just that something is preventing the statusbar (?) from fully loading |
| 04:29:38 | chrisjs169 | so I'm going back to one revision before the screen_access.c changes, and see if I have any luck |
| 04:30:13 | tumu | after replacing the novelty codec memory allocator with slightly better, dumb plays mods quite nicely |
| 04:35:33 | alienbiker99 | oh i see. good luck |
| 04:37:38 | sdoyon | chrisjs169: Plugged in while holding select, seems to work, but after that if I press POWRE it refuses to rutn off. Does that make sense? |
| 04:37:49 | tumu | mostly because of click removal algo of dumb which needs a rewrite to be malloc-free |
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| 04:38:21 | sdoyon | chrisjs169: Hmm should it have HAVE_POWEROFF_WHILE_CHARGING? |
| 04:38:29 | chrisjs169 | sdoyon, in a way - Rockbox doesn't seem to like turning off if it's charging |
| 04:38:40 | chrisjs169 | sdoyon, I'm not sure about that |
| 04:39:17 | chrisjs169 | I'm not sure what'd happen if it were to "charge" while turned off |
| 04:40:35 | sdoyon | chrisjs169: If you plug it in with hold engaged, it turns back off right? And it continues to charge? |
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| 04:41:19 | chrisjs169 | sdoyon, if the Sansa's off with hold on, and you plug it in, it does turn back off - not sure if it continues to charge though |
| 04:41:35 | chrisjs169 | sdoyon, IIRC, even in the OF, when you turn it off, it still has a charging screen |
| 04:43:28 | * | chrisjs169 thinks he might be getting closer to having my build work again |
| 04:44:05 | sdoyon | chrisjs169: I believe I charged it with hold on last week, but I guess I'll have to double check that. |
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| 04:46:12 | chrisjs169 | sdoyon, I can't say for sure what will/can happen |
| 04:50:40 | sdoyon | Would a dev have a few minutes to comment on one or two patches? |
| 04:53:05 | sitwon | sdoyon: I don't think it charges if you plug it in with hold-switch on. on the OF, if you turn it off you get a "Charging" screen and it automatically shuts off when the battery is full. I think it need to be running at least minimally in order to charge the battery. |
| 04:53:43 | chrisjs169 | sdoyon, depends on the patch and if a dev is on |
| 04:53:48 | * | chrisjs169 is about ready to test my build... |
| 04:54:07 | chrisjs169 | it works! |
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| 04:55:00 | * | chrisjs169 increases svn revision by one |
| 04:56:04 | sdoyon | sitwon: Could be. I'll find out. Only not tonight, as it's fully charged now. |
| 04:57:09 | sitwon | sdoyon, you could probably drain the battery in a few hours using the mpeg viewer |
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| 05:01:07 | alienbiker99 | nice job chrisjs169 |
| 05:01:20 | alienbiker99 | what day is it based off of? |
| 05:01:39 | chrisjs169 | Sept 18 |
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| 05:02:07 | sdoyon | chrisjs169: re patches: I was thining of a few relatively simple ones: P7563 speaks the simple and advanced eq settings menus, P6325 speaks the recording trigger screen, P6171 speaks the quickscreen... |
| 05:02:39 | sdoyon | chrisjs169: re your build: where are the details as to what's in it? |
| 05:03:25 | chrisjs169 | sdoyon, patch list (need to update once I fix this problem) - <a target="_blank" href="http://chrisjs.com/?page_id=22">http://chrisjs.com/?page_id=22a> |
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| 05:10:18 | sdoyon | chrisjs169: How much of a difference does the dircache make on a flash-based player? |
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| 05:12:39 | chrisjs169 | sdoyon, I'm not sure exactly - it was on the Sansa before the MicroSD support, and then was removed because of it. The patch simply re-enables it, which allows for a few extra database features |
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| 05:15:21 | Merthsoft | Rockbox is sporadically reseting it's settings, is it a button i'm pressing when turning it on or anything> |
| 05:15:47 | sdoyon | I'm thinking of converting the Rockbox Info screen into a list, simply because a blind user can then skip to the desired item without listening to everything. Would it make any significant difference in presentation for a sighted user? |
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| 05:16:49 | XavierGr | eh? strange austriamicrosystems doesn't let you download the datasheet for as3514 but as3517 is free to download |
| 05:17:09 | XavierGr | add to that that the as3517 datasheet says "confidential" in it!? |
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| 05:23:37 | tumu | sweet playing mods on my sansa <3 |
| 05:24:48 | chrisjs169 | weird - lcd_remote_* isn't working for me |
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| 05:29:40 | chrisjs169 | time to test Rockbox... |
| 05:29:48 | chrisjs169 | and it... |
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| 05:29:56 | chrisjs169 | ...works |
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| 05:59:48 | * | alienbiker99 wishes he knew what he was doing with adjusting the albumart location in a wps |
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| 06:25:47 | ddalton | XavierGr: any progress with the alarm? |
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| 06:38:39 | XavierGr | ddalton: no I didn't work on it, I will start working on it as soon as I awake. (hopefully) |
| 06:38:58 | ddalton | ok |
| 06:39:08 | XavierGr | I am playing with unix utilities on windows right now |
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| 06:40:54 | `sh4 | greetings |
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| 06:41:54 | `sh4 | noticed that the Sansa C200 Rockbox version's up. couldn't seem to find the bootloader installer though. is that up too? |
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| 06:43:31 | `sh4 | quite possible that i just missed it or something :( |
| 06:43:41 | ddalton | XavierGr: is there anything I could do to help you with it? |
| 06:46:29 | XavierGr | no, not for the moment thanks |
| 06:46:48 | XavierGr | ddalton: are you "that" impatient" for alarm dates? :P |
| 06:49:24 | maxkelley | `sh4: erm, there's no bootloader installer. |
| 06:50:06 | maxkelley | I'm not sure, but I think the best way as of late is to compile it yourself. |
| 06:50:17 | `sh4 | ah, okay. the source is up though? |
| 06:50:34 | maxkelley | svn is the latest. are you experienced in compiling it? |
| 06:51:08 | maxkelley | psst.. where in the rochester area are you? (noticed your hostmask) I'm webster. |
| 06:51:18 | `sh4 | oh, okay |
| 06:51:41 | `sh4 | like it there? |
| 06:51:44 | scorche | (social chat somewhere else please) ;) |
| 06:52:00 | maxkelley | heh.. scorche.. topic police :) |
| 06:52:25 | scorche | well, someone has to.. |
| 06:53:02 | maxkelley | or someone couldn't, and then we'd have a great deal more silliness and laughter, and still get things done. |
| 06:53:57 | scorche | that is what #rockbox-community is for |
| 06:54:05 | maxkelley | meh. |
| 06:54:18 | scorche | this is for technical/support/development |
| 06:54:24 | maxkelley | /win ** would be too much typing for me :) |
| 06:54:50 | scorche | then dont bother =) |
| 06:55:59 | idnar | heh, I have bindings for 40 windows |
| 06:56:05 | idnar | and I'm running out |
| 06:57:32 | `sh4 | thanks by the way. browsing the svn directories now. i'll just compile that a little later |
| 06:57:53 | RudMan_ | scorche: I'd like to vote for making a rockbox-dev and a rockbox-help as well as a rockbox-community |
| 06:58:07 | daurn|laptop | nope |
| 06:58:11 | daurn|laptop | vote -1 |
| 06:58:12 | RudMan_ | or have #rockbox default to rockbox-help |
| 06:58:19 | scorche | well, there is no vote for that, so your vote wont mean anything... |
| 06:58:23 | RudMan_ | heh |
| 06:58:46 | RudMan_ | I do know that llorean mentioned something about it the other day so I know I'm not crazy |
| 06:59:11 | scorche | there has been talk, but it wont happen |
| 06:59:13 | maxkelley | RudMan_: what do you think this is, a democratic community or something like that? |
| 06:59:14 | scorche | now at least |
| 06:59:26 | RudMan_ | max: heh - no way! |
| 06:59:34 | maxkelley | RudMan_: what are you, sick? :) |
| 06:59:53 | RudMan_ | scorche: the more talk there is, the more chance it will happen.....anyway, back to the topic at hand |
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| 07:00:18 | scorche | it wont happen anytime soon |
| 07:00:33 | maxkelley | actually, the actual channel topic is very vague, and doesn't mention that this is a rockbox development channel in the first place. |
| 07:01:01 | scorche | maxkelley: did you happen to read that link in there that you were supposed to have read before speaking? |
| 07:01:17 | maxkelley | suppose my port 80 is blocked? :) |
| 07:01:32 | maxkelley | then, how would I know? |
| 07:01:59 | scorche | then you shouldnt be speaking at all ;) |
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| 07:02:43 | maxkelley | heehee. |
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| 07:07:04 | ddalton | who here has a player with an alarm? |
| 07:07:14 | ddalton | (the wake up alarm mod) |
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| 08:20:01 | ddalton | did anyone see my last comment on p7682? |
| 08:21:45 | scorche | everyone who is on the flyspray mailing list saw it likely.... |
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| 08:57:56 | Soxs | hi does somebody knows if this may will work on a daewoo mp3 player? |
| 08:58:44 | scorche | is the daewoo player listed ont he front page? |
| 08:58:53 | Soxs | no |
| 08:59:09 | scorche | then what makes you think it would work? |
| 08:59:12 | daurn|laptop | daewoo? |
| 08:59:18 | daurn|laptop | the car? |
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| 09:00:26 | Soxs | jeje no they also make mp3 players sorry my english isn't very good |
| 09:02:46 | vloosie | Is anyone here really good with Rockbox? |
| 09:05:10 | scorche | vloosie: if you have a question to ask, just ask it |
| 09:06:14 | vloosie | ^^; I think I spoke with you before scorche. |
| 09:06:35 | vloosie | Remember, about how my iPod won't intailize the database? |
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| 09:18:56 | vloosie | How it crashes when it reaches 600 items. |
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| 09:20:48 | scorche | yes...and we recommended that you do a binary search to find the problem files |
| 09:21:13 | vloosie | I don't know how to do that. |
| 09:21:24 | scorche | we told you how to do that.. |
| 09:21:45 | vloosie | I don't think you did :p |
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| 09:22:59 | scorche | <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070923">http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070923a> |
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| 09:23:14 | scorche | yes, we did... Soap to be precise ;) |
| 09:23:21 | LordPenguin | Hello. |
| 09:25:22 | LordPenguin | Can anyone tell me how to make the rockbox firmware boot faster? |
| 09:26:03 | scorche | on what device? |
| 09:26:24 | LordPenguin | a 5.5g |
| 09:26:44 | vloosie | I know, I remember him saying that I should split my files in half. And I remember someone else saying I need to do a binary search (which I have no clue how to do that) But, I though maybe an easier way to get around this problem would be to, in iTunes, select all the files, right click them, and then click "Convert ID3 Tags..." ... scorche? |
| 09:27:07 | vloosie | thought* |
| 09:27:17 | scorche | well, assuming you did everything by the book, no...however having a few things like backdrops, etc can slow down the boot time a tiny bit |
| 09:27:37 | scorche | vloosie: splitting your files in half, etc IS a binary search |
| 09:27:43 | LordPenguin | Well I just don't want it to go to deep sleep every time I shut it down. |
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| 09:28:02 | scorche | LordPenguin: it sint going into deep sleep...it is shutting off |
| 09:28:27 | scorche | vloosie: i dont know itunes |
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| 09:28:56 | LordPenguin | Yeah...whatever you want to call it. I just noticed the apple firmware boots much faster, and that's about the only thing I like about it. |
| 09:29:13 | scorche | the apple firmware actually boots much slower off of a shutdown |
| 09:29:40 | LordPenguin | Yes, but I don't shut it down often. I just let it shut down itself. |
| 09:30:06 | vloosie | scorche: There is a checkbox that says "Correct song information that may have been stored as Unicode in an incorrect format" and I thought that maybe this could fix the problem, scorche? I donno if you need to know iTunes to know if that would work or not. |
| 09:30:13 | scorche | it takes a long time for the apple firmware to perform a total shutdown...it typically goes into sleep mode |
| 09:30:34 | scorche | vloosie: i dont know...i couldnt tell you exactly what it does |
| 09:30:46 | scorche | might as well tyr it... |
| 09:30:49 | scorche | try |
| 09:31:14 | LordPenguin | Is there a way I can enable sleep mode with rockbox? |
| 09:31:22 | scorche | rockbox doesnt support sleep mode |
| 09:31:35 | LordPenguin | Damn. Oh well. Thanks for you're help. |
| 09:31:41 | LordPenguin | you* |
| 09:31:43 | LordPenguin | your* |
| 09:31:49 | LordPenguin | *whatever |
| 09:32:46 | vloosie | Okay, thanks. I have one more question though just to make sure. The reason why Rockbox crashes is because something is wrong with the ID3 Tags/metadata... Right? |
| 09:33:00 | scorche | likely |
| 09:33:09 | vloosie | And metadata IS ID3 tags? |
| 09:33:26 | scorche | ID3 tags are a type of metadata, yes |
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| 09:39:11 | vloosie | Okay. |
| 09:41:23 | vloosie | Right now though I'm using this to see if it tells me anything.... <a target="_blank" href="http://checkmate.linuxonly.nl/">http://checkmate.linuxonly.nl/a> and if I still can't find it from that, I'm just going to forget about it because splitting all my files in half over and over again is a hassle. |
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| 09:41:52 | scorche | it should only take around 8 steps |
| 09:43:16 | AlexC | hello |
| 09:43:28 | vloosie | I have 10,123 tracks on my iPod |
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| 09:43:51 | scorche | vloosie: it doesnt matter....we are working with percentages...not absolute numbers |
| 09:45:12 | vloosie | And they are all in randomized hidden folders (iTunes does this) and I'm afraid that if I remove any iTunes will mess up my iPod or something >_> |
| 09:45:42 | scorche | then dont do it if you really dont want to... |
| 09:46:39 | vloosie | I would if they weren't in randomized folders, I don't know how iTunes sorts the tracks on my ipod |
| 09:46:53 | vloosie | ike, i dono |
| 09:46:56 | scorche | then dont do it if you really dont want to... |
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| 09:49:49 | vloosie | I also tried to play an MPEG movie on it but it didn't play, do you know why it would do this? |
| 09:50:25 | scorche | how did you encode it? |
| 09:51:33 | AlexC | mencoder is good for mpeg |
| 09:51:41 | * | AlexC likes mencoder |
| 09:53:53 | vloosie | WMV1 |
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| 09:54:30 | vloosie | 320x240.... 64 kbps, 44kHz.... |
| 09:54:41 | vloosie | ;;>_> |
| 09:55:08 | scorche | vloosie: wmv is not mpeg2... |
| 09:55:09 | daurn|laptop | wmv? |
| 09:55:12 | daurn|laptop | wtf are you thinking |
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| 09:55:39 | vloosie | I don't know half the stuff I just said, to be honest. |
| 09:56:06 | scorche | www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer |
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| 10:32:51 | XavierGr | petur: do you think it is worth (possible?) to compile rockbox under mingw? |
| 10:33:10 | petur | I have no idea |
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| 10:51:24 | bluebrother | didn't someone on the ml use yagarto for building Rockbox once? |
| 10:51:55 | bluebrother | (which is a mingw based toolchain) |
| 10:55:05 | XavierGr | never heard of yagarto before |
| 10:55:39 | XavierGr | right now I am compiling binutils and gcc on mingw, in a little while (I hope) I will now if it is possible |
| 10:55:47 | bluebrother | "Yet another GNU ARM toolchain" |
| 10:56:06 | bluebrother | <a target="_blank" href="http://www.yagarto.de/index.html">http://www.yagarto.de/index.htmla> |
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| 11:03:40 | ddalton | is anyone here familiar with the voice code? |
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| 11:11:23 | ddalton | XavierGr: around? |
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| 11:14:19 | ddalton | what will compile quicker? a machine with linux (800 mhz 256 mb ram) or a machine with windows using cygwin with 1 gb ram and dual core 2.1 ghz |
| 11:14:46 | JdGordon | the windows one |
| 11:15:06 | ddalton | really? it takes 20 minutes here |
| 11:15:12 | ddalton | what will the linux one take? |
| 11:15:18 | ddalton | roughly |
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| 11:16:00 | JdGordon | FATAL: Module crystal_ball not found. |
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| 11:22:01 | ddalton | JdGordon: Can u answer my question? |
| 11:22:24 | ddalton | XavierGr: around? |
| 11:22:30 | markun | linuxstb_: <a target="_blank" href="http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-cvslog/2007-September/009705.html">http://lists.mplayerhq.hu/pipermail/ffmpeg-cvslog/2007-September/009705.htmla> |
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| 11:37:39 | bluebrother | ddalton: I bet the linux bos will be faster or the same speed as cygwin. |
| 11:38:14 | ddalton | bluebrother: thanks |
| 11:38:30 | bluebrother | but as I haven't checked I really don't know for sure. |
| 11:38:53 | ddalton | ok i guess I will find out when I buy a linux box :-) |
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| 11:40:48 | bluebrother | last time I tried my old linux box it was less than 20 minutes, but unfortunately my hard disk died. And that box was less than 800 MHz |
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| 11:41:25 | bluebrother | \o/ |
| 11:41:35 | * | bluebrother has PID detection running on windows |
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| 11:52:08 | petur | bluebrother: PID detection? |
| 11:52:25 | bluebrother | detection of the player based on USB VID / PID values |
| 11:52:30 | petur | ah |
| 11:52:43 | bluebrother | windows api is really awful :( |
| 11:53:30 | daurn|laptop | not process ID etc? ;p |
| 11:53:33 | bluebrother | now let's see if there is a way to get the drive letter from that too ... but I doubt it. |
| 11:54:03 | JdGordon | bluebrother: do you have a sansa? |
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| 11:54:30 | bluebrother | JdGordon: no |
| 11:56:30 | petur | bluebrother: but the win api has MSDN ;) |
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| 11:57:09 | bluebrother | fortunately I'm entitled to get VS and the MSDN stuff for free from my university. Otherwise it would be really like hell |
| 11:57:39 | bluebrother | but VS2005 is nice to use, I need to admit. And the integration of MSDN. |
| 11:57:40 | petur | MSDN is completely free online |
| 11:57:57 | bluebrother | yep ... but the offline version is nicer |
| 11:58:24 | bluebrother | or those helpful popup texts are broken in Firefox ... maybe I should've tried IE ;-) |
| 11:58:30 | petur | yes, going from VS to development on linux is a bit of a shock (of about 10 years) |
| 11:58:48 | bluebrother | you can still use eclipse on linux ;-) |
| 11:59:37 | petur | I'm with anjuta now... it crashes from time to time and the search sucks, but otherwise it is usable |
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| 12:04:41 | JdGordon | I wasnt imporessed with anjuta when i tried it |
| 12:05:28 | bluebrother | I used kdevelop for the Qt stuff ... it has a bunch of issues but it's still quite useable. |
| 12:05:35 | bluebrother | and gvim rules anyway ;-) |
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| 12:08:57 | XavierGr | does anyone remembers which patch we have to apply for gcc 3.4.6 for coldfire? |
| 12:09:39 | JdGordon | its on the wiki... |
| 12:10:34 | nls | XavierGr: it depends on what you are building it on but rockboxdev.sh does that check and applies the correct patch |
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| 12:11:11 | XavierGr | well I tried with an unpatched version of gcc on mingw but it fails to compile |
| 12:11:17 | bluebrother | iirc that patch also only affected building on x64 |
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| 12:11:27 | XavierGr | hmm crap :( |
| 12:11:39 | nls | bluebrother: they are separate patches |
| 12:11:52 | XavierGr | no on linux there is one for x64 |
| 12:11:56 | bluebrother | oh, it's more than one patch? Seems I missed that. |
| 12:12:02 | XavierGr | on macos and cygwin there is another |
| 12:12:16 | XavierGr | I guess I will have to try with that too |
| 12:12:29 | * | JdGordon would really like Nico_P to join sometime soon :p |
| 12:12:52 | nls | XavierGr: what does it say when it fails? |
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| 12:14:37 | XavierGr | <a target="_blank" href="http://pastebin.com/m14e3034a">http://pastebin.com/m14e3034aa> |
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| 12:19:02 | nls | XavierGr: there are some patches for that here <a target="_blank" href="http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14316">http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=14316a> |
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| 12:19:40 | nls | didn't really read the whole page so i'm not sure they apply but it sounds awfully similar to your problem |
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| 12:28:24 | Xavier__ | nls: thanks |
| 12:28:35 | Xavier__ | I will try that if the current patch fails again |
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| 12:29:13 | XavierGr_ | bloody ISP :( |
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| 12:31:03 | bluebrother | Domonoky: I succeeded ;-) |
| 12:31:43 | Domonoky | nice.. :-) |
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| 12:34:26 | XavierGr_ | gah failed hunks |
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| 12:34:33 | XavierGr_ | this turns to be an overkill |
| 12:34:48 | bluebrother | Domonoky: just committed ... |
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| 12:42:13 | Domonoky | bluebrother: it works.. :-) |
| 12:42:33 | bluebrother | nice to hear it works also on other machines |
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| 12:49:35 | JdGordon | yay hey Nico_P |
| 12:49:41 | Nico_P | hi |
| 12:49:54 | JdGordon | im trying to add a token to the wps which is only read at load... |
| 12:50:12 | JdGordon | is { WPS_NO_TOKEN, "R", 0, parse_region_tag }, correct? |
| 12:51:04 | Nico_P | seems ok to me |
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| 12:51:23 | JdGordon | Failed parsing on line 1 : Invalid conditional char (not in an open conditional) |
| 12:51:24 | JdGordon | ? |
| 12:51:50 | Nico_P | what's the format of your R tag ? |
| 12:52:09 | JdGordon | ah, i had it %# in the wps... seems it loaded |
| 12:52:24 | JdGordon | /* FORMAT %#|x|y|w|h|[&]action| */ |
| 12:53:33 | Nico_P | "Invalid conditional char (not in an open conditional" is most probably caused by the parser hitting a pipe char at the wrong place, which would mean parse_region_tag doesn't return the right skip value |
| 12:53:55 | JdGordon | ah |
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| 13:06:18 | Nico_P | JdGordon: is it ok now ? |
| 13:07:04 | JdGordon | i tihnk its working |
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| 13:08:28 | JdGordon | Nico_P: is there a way to get it to ignore the entire line unless some #define is deifned? |
| 13:08:39 | JdGordon | instead of having it in the parser to find the end of the line and skip it? |
| 13:09:01 | Nico_P | JdGordon: use skip_end_of_line() |
| 13:09:18 | Nico_P | look at parse_statusbar_enable() for an example |
| 13:10:09 | JdGordon | cool |
| 13:10:16 | JdGordon | mouse works in the sim :D |
| 13:10:41 | JdGordon | in the wps i mean |
| 13:10:53 | daurn|laptop | JdGordon: mrobe is working? |
| 13:10:57 | JdGordon | no |
| 13:11:07 | daurn|laptop | well.. mouse? |
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| 13:12:08 | JdGordon | Nico_P: mind having a quick look at my diff to make sure its ok? |
| 13:12:23 | Nico_P | sure |
| 13:13:06 | JdGordon | <a target="_blank" href="http://rafb.net/p/TIntlk19.html">http://rafb.net/p/TIntlk19.htmla> |
| 13:13:58 | * | JdGordon needs to implement something like the old action_signalscreenchange() for the touchpad/mouse |
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| 13:16:16 | Nico_P | JdGordon: what do you want to do in the WPS ? |
| 13:16:44 | Nico_P | ah, create some sort of buttons ? |
| 13:17:11 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 13:17:21 | JdGordon | add regions to the wps so buttons can be set |
| 13:17:36 | JdGordon | I origionally wanted to use the image locations, but figued that would be impossible |
| 13:19:20 | * | JdGordon is UI-king! |
| 13:19:30 | Nico_P | JdGordon: why can't you use the image locations ? |
| 13:19:53 | Nico_P | can't determine the associated action ? |
| 13:20:17 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 13:20:29 | JdGordon | i assumed that would be too hard anyway |
| 13:20:35 | JdGordon | also, not every wps will have buttons |
| 13:21:01 | Nico_P | the WPS part looks OK to me |
| 13:21:32 | JdGordon | whats a better tag for it? I didnt want to use a letter for it |
| 13:22:03 | Nico_P | what do you mean ? better than R ? |
| 13:23:21 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 13:26:32 | Nico_P | I don't know... R seems fine to me |
| 13:29:56 | JdGordon | <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimMouseInterface">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimMouseInterfacea> for the curious |
| 13:32:34 | ddalton | I know how to use google. |
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| 13:33:16 | ddalton | sorry that google message should have gone to ##c |
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| 13:35:40 | ddalton | james_malone: around? |
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| 13:40:45 | ddalton | no your doing it wrong |
| 13:40:49 | ddalton | type |
| 13:41:14 | ddalton | wait that was meant to go to another channel |
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| 13:45:33 | XavierGr_ | damn it I can't get gcc to compile for coldfire |
| 13:45:45 | XavierGr_ | and the gains must be quite good in speed aspects |
| 13:46:12 | XavierGr_ | timing the building of rockbox/tools mingw is 2 times faster than vmware |
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| 13:47:34 | ddalton | XavierGr_: Any progress with the alarm? Anything I could do to help? could I see your new alarm set patch that allows you to set it in the time and date menu? |
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| 13:49:05 | XavierGr_ | ddalton: sorry didn't work on it at all this night, I was grapling with mingw and gcc |
| 13:49:31 | XavierGr_ | I can post the patch on the tracker if you want to test it, but all entries except hours and minutes do nothing |
| 13:49:38 | ddalton | XavierGr_: Anything I could do to help? |
| 13:49:41 | XavierGr_ | (on the alamr) |
| 13:50:00 | ddalton | what is wrong with it? |
| 13:50:05 | XavierGr_ | ddalton: at the moment no |
| 13:50:05 | ddalton | about hours and minutes? |
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| 13:50:33 | XavierGr_ | nothing is wrong with the patch, it just needs to extend the alarm drivers to set/get the date on them |
| 13:50:52 | ddalton | ok can you poste it? I want to have a look |
| 13:53:20 | james_malone | Hey |
| 13:57:48 | XavierGr_ | ddalton: 7819, as I said work in progress, no point for anyone to commit it at this stage |
| 13:59:53 | ddalton | ok I will take a look |
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| 14:03:09 | ddalton | XavierGr_: Just looking through your code it looks like the splash messages (errors waking up in etc) aren't going to talk is that a problem? |
| 14:03:30 | ddalton | I can probably write you up a quick patch if you want |
| 14:05:34 | XavierGr_ | ddalton: because some things might change in the near future I would suggest to wait before making a patch for voice |
| 14:06:05 | XavierGr_ | except if you have an immediate need to use it in such a way yourself |
| 14:06:10 | ddalton | XavierGr_: Ok well I will just make the splash screens talk. (otherwise I can't test it) |
| 14:07:04 | ddalton | how much do you think would change? |
| 14:08:40 | XavierGr_ | ddalton: I am not sure, ideally nothing at all, but I don't know |
| 14:11:45 | ddalton | so how does it work right arrow gets you into the alarm stuff? |
| 14:11:55 | ddalton | or is there a whole new screen for the alarm |
| 14:14:09 | ddalton | XavierGr_: Once I apply your patch and I make changes how do I make a patch of just my changes so for voice and not include your patch in my patch? |
| 14:15:36 | XavierGr_ | ddalton: the menu didn't change, the alarm is in the same menu position |
| 14:15:51 | ddalton | under system? |
| 14:16:02 | XavierGr_ | ddalton: but once you open the alarm menu the time/date screen will appear (with different title) |
| 14:16:04 | XavierGr_ | yes |
| 14:16:18 | ddalton | so it won't talk |
| 14:16:37 | ddalton | I will do it tomorrow |
| 14:16:39 | XavierGr_ | I don't know, if the time/date screen talks then it will talk too |
| 14:16:41 | ddalton | the voice stuff |
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| 14:30:56 | ddalton | XavierGr_: The time date screen talks but the special alarm messages like "waking up in" won't speak |
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| 14:31:15 | ddalton | XavierGr_: Do you think the alarm stuff should go under the system menu in the main menu? |
| 14:38:49 | XavierGr_ | I am nost sure |
| 14:38:53 | bluebrother | linuxstb: is the w32 binary of sansapatcher build with unicode support or multibyte? |
| 14:39:27 | XavierGr_ | ddalton: yeah it could be better for me that I use the alarm all the time, but moveing menu entries should be discussed |
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| 14:49:58 | ddalton | XavierGr_: I have done it here to a check from svn and I will test it and see if I did it right. I get a warning. Now I think of it I didn't have to copy the function only had to move someone code from the old system menu to the new one and just use it from settings_menu.c actually maybe I neeeded to create a h file then. |
| 14:50:12 | ddalton | neded |
| 14:50:14 | ddalton | and some |
| 14:53:47 | ddalton | my old voice file worked fine with it |
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| 15:36:10 | * | Domonoky added sapi_voice script support in rbutil.. :-) |
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| 15:41:50 | gregj | is there any way I can tell the database thing to not scan some dirs , I have audio books, which I don't want it to play |
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| 15:44:42 | nls | gregj: no |
| 15:45:17 | gregj | I found a hacky way, bit that feels whackey |
| 15:45:17 | gregj | ;) |
| 15:45:47 | gregj | after database update (manual only,otherwise iopd goes crazy, skips audio, and shit) - I rename directory |
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| 16:00:21 | nardul | Hey |
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| 16:04:09 | nardul | Does anyone know the status on powermanagement of the 5th generation ipods? |
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| 16:22:08 | fm2 | Hello. I have the fresh RB from SVN, but get the following error when building the sim for H120: filetypes.c:89: error: `VOICE_EXT_RWPS' undeclared here (not in a function) |
| 16:22:43 | fm2 | VOICE_EXT_RWPS is not in the generated lang.h. How so? |
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| 16:24:49 | fm2 | And another question: if I have following macros: #define IF_GATHER_CALL_STATS(x) x and #define STATS_STRUCT(name) #name, will IF_GATHER_CALL_STATS(STATS_STRUCT(aaa)) be expanded to "aaa"? |
| 16:26:20 | fm2 | Hm..., it's quite here. |
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| 16:38:02 | nls | hmm, any linker scrip wizards around? |
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| 17:14:25 | XavierGr_ | this mingw situation drives me crazy.... |
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| 17:22:01 | bluebrother | Domonoky: did you resize the configuation dialog on purpose? |
| 17:22:55 | daurn|laptop | XavierGr_: what you do in mingw? |
| 17:24:58 | Domonoky | bluebrother: not really.. |
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| 17:26:58 | Domonoky | the only missing tts engine for rbutil is now festival.. but it shouldnt be to hard to support it now... |
| 17:27:08 | bluebrother | ok. |
| 17:27:14 | bluebrother | well, you're the voice guy ;-) |
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| 17:42:09 | * | Domonoky thinks he leaves the festival support in rbutil to someone else.. it seem diffucult to get working win32 binarys for windows.. |
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| 17:47:45 | bluebrother | btw, how's the plugins stuff going? |
| 17:49:28 | Domonoky | i tryed to use plugins for the different tts engines.. but it was too much hassle.. plugins are difficult to debug... |
| 17:51:55 | Domonoky | so i think we need to define what we want as a plugin, and define a interface for it.. |
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| 18:07:24 | fm2 | Hello. Anybody seen questions at 16:22 today? Any comments? |
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| 18:18:56 | nls | fm2 did you try a "make clean" ? |
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| 18:42:08 | bluebrother | hmm, how about adding reorderable menus to the NODO document? |
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| 18:47:43 | Genre9mp3 | bluebrother: indeed, I guess thats a no-no task |
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| 18:50:09 | Nico_P | wow the NODO in svn is outdated... |
| 18:50:33 | Nico_P | it's all about HWCODEC |
| 18:50:41 | jw | is there anyone with twiki access? |
| 18:52:04 | nls | jw: yep |
| 18:52:48 | jw | nls, do you have the power to remove users or change my email address? |
| 18:53:38 | nls | jw: don't think so, as LinusN, Bagder or Zagor when they are around |
| 18:54:59 | jw | nls, I've been trying for a while, no one seems to respond. Do have write access to this page: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/JonathanWrightsell">http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/JonathanWrightsella> |
| 18:55:00 | nls | but you should be able to edit your email adress yourself afair |
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| 18:55:35 | jw | I've changed my email address I guess on the backend but that page in question still references an email address that I don't use |
| 18:56:52 | jw | and it seems everybody else's email addresses are hidden (from TwikiUsers) |
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| 19:07:04 | faemir | can someone tell me what the reason for not including patches like say... album are not in the official build, and whether they ever will be? |
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| 19:08:05 | Nico_P | faemir: album art isn't implemented the right way |
| 19:08:25 | faemir | Nico_P, what about other patches? is it all just problems with then that means they can't really use them? |
| 19:08:52 | faemir | (like the one that I need to run half of my themes on for instance) |
| 19:09:00 | faemir | a scrolling patch or something |
| 19:09:19 | Nico_P | generally, patches that don't get accepted are either unwanted or not done the right way |
| 19:09:29 | faemir | ok, thanks |
| 19:09:33 | faemir | damn it :P |
| 19:09:42 | Nico_P | scrolling margins is something that viewports will make possbile |
| 19:10:05 | faemir | ..? |
| 19:10:18 | faemir | viewports? |
| 19:10:37 | Nico_P | sorry... basically it means that the same functionality will be achieved in a better, more elegant way |
| 19:10:44 | faemir | oh awesome |
| 19:10:47 | Nico_P | so we don't want to commit the "hackish" patch |
| 19:11:16 | faemir | And, do you know whether the new ipod range is entirely new hardware like the nano 2nd gen was? |
| 19:11:21 | Nico_P | don't hold your breath though, we've been waiting for viewports for quite a long time... |
| 19:11:32 | Nico_P | yes it is |
| 19:11:37 | faemir | aww damn |
| 19:11:43 | bluebrother | there is also the possibility that noone with enough knowledge looked at it |
| 19:11:46 | faemir | so it might be a while for them to have rockbox on |
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| 19:12:09 | Nico_P | faemir: exactly, it might even never happen. you can read this: <a target="_blank" href="http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/18/rockbox-on-the-ipod-classic/">http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/18/rockbox-on-the-ipod-classic/a> |
| 19:12:14 | bluebrother | but that usually doesn't apply to much patches, especially not to those eyecandy stuff like album art that gets asked for quite frequently |
| 19:12:31 | faemir | how long did it take to get it on the older ipods? |
| 19:12:48 | Nico_P | faemir: that's a tough question... it's not even really finished |
| 19:13:00 | faemir | I guess rockbox never is :P |
| 19:13:00 | bluebrother | ask the IPL guys how long they needed to get code run on the Ipods at all ;-) |
| 19:13:08 | Nico_P | and ipodlinux did most of the prelimary work... here there is none of that |
| 19:14:15 | faemir | Hopefully the new iaudio X7 will be easier to get it working on and I will get one of those instead =] |
| 19:14:18 | Nico_P | faemir: anyway, for code to run on the new ipods, an exploit needs to be found first. no exploit has been found yet on the nano 2G |
| 19:14:47 | faemir | ah, oh dear. |
| 19:14:57 | * | faemir slaps apple |
| 19:16:02 | faemir | It would be nice if someone could go through the themes list and divide it into those that run on vanilla rockbox and those that need extra patches |
| 19:16:26 | Nico_P | faemir: do you know about www.rockbox-themes.org ? |
| 19:16:29 | faemir | I wonder if anyone would object to someone doing that. |
| 19:16:34 | faemir | nope |
| 19:17:12 | faemir | I found mine in the quadmire that is the rockbox website :D |
| 19:17:12 | faemir | quadgmire * |
| 19:17:12 | faemir | rargh. |
| 19:17:12 | Nico_P | well that site is much friendlier than the wiki |
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| 19:17:12 | faemir | quagmire ** |
| 19:17:12 | faemir | ok, thanks =] |
| 19:21:49 | faemir | oh yeh, I see, thanks! |
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| 19:21:49 | faemir | woah, I didn't realise the one I was using could use a daily build :| |
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| 19:21:49 | * | faemir swaps back |
| 19:21:49 | faemir | Hmm, can I just unzip the daily ontop of the custom build, or do I have to do something else? |
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| 19:21:49 | linuxstb | Bagder: Around? |
| 19:22:00 | bluebrother | faemir: that should work |
| 19:22:04 | faemir | thanks |
| 19:27:05 | bluebrother | it might leave some old cruft around (like plugins that are not part of the official build) though |
| 19:27:05 | faemir | So would removing the folder then putting in the daily build be better? |
| 19:27:05 | faemir | (while in the original firmware) |
| 19:27:05 | bluebrother | if you care about a tidy build folder I'd say so. OTOH it isn't unsafe to just extract the official build on top of an unofficial |
| 19:27:05 | Nico_P | faemir: if you do that you'll lose your settings and other things |
| 19:27:05 | bluebrother | so it's up to you to decide that ... |
| 19:27:05 | faemir | ok |
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| 19:27:05 | faemir | Oh and, how often do people recommend I should update rockbox? I can do it every day, but I don't know if that's worth it |
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| 19:27:05 | bluebrother | for the settings, copy /.rockbox/config.cfg |
| 19:27:05 | bluebrother | if you're happy with your current build there is no need to update daily |
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| 19:27:05 | faemir | what about if the current build has... odd moments? :D |
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| 19:27:05 | bluebrother | but if you want to e.g. help finding bugs by trying the latest version you can update as often as you like ;-) |
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| 19:27:05 | bluebrother | well, that could happen. But it could happen on every update ... |
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| 19:27:05 | faemir | ok |
| 19:27:05 | *** | Alert Mode level 6 |
| 19:27:05 | faemir | Well I'm a bleeding edge guy, so why not? |
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| 19:27:05 | faemir | (speaking of bleeding edge, x.org 7.3 killed me XD) |
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| 19:27:05 | faemir | bluebrother, personally how often do you update it? |
| 19:27:16 | bluebrother | it depends. Sometimes almost daily, sometimes (when I'm working on something) more often, sometimes less than weekly |
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| 19:31:37 | faemir | why are the fonts .fnt by the way? |
| 19:32:02 | bluebrother | why not? It's a custom format. |
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| 19:33:28 | faemir | because you could just use a format already available? |
| 19:34:03 | bluebrother | no −− afaik there wasn't a suitable format available back that time ... |
| 19:34:52 | faemir | so opentype / type 1 / truetype aren't suitable? |
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| 19:35:13 | bluebrother | absolutely not. They are vector fonts, and the player is a bitmap display. |
| 19:35:25 | faemir | true. |
| 19:35:30 | bluebrother | so they would look really crappy |
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| 19:35:50 | faemir | ugh, I forgot to backup the database. |
| 19:36:02 | bluebrother | copy the *.tcd files |
| 19:36:08 | faemir | heh, bit late now XD |
| 19:36:23 | nls | also they would need to be rendered into bitmaps etc, which would take a fair deal of cpu and complicate the code |
| 19:36:25 | bluebrother | ah, so you removed the old folder instead of just renaming? Oh. |
| 19:36:36 | faemir | yep. |
| 19:36:51 | linuxstb | Bagder: (when you arrive) Could you replace the c200 bootloader on the download server with this one (it's the version I tagged in SVN, and included in the sansapatcher binaries) - <a target="_blank" href="http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/firmware.mi4">http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/firmware.mi4a> |
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| 19:37:41 | faemir | Rockbox was really good for software freedom day, I helped out at one being held near where I lived and all I did was show them doom and they were like "oooo" :D |
| 19:37:45 | webguest07 | No need to ask on here... :( |
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| 19:38:32 | * | bluebrother wonders why there wasn't even a question |
| 19:38:45 | * | faemir was as well :| |
| 19:39:06 | webguest07 | Well, I'll think of another one, hold on |
| 19:40:51 | webguest07 | Does rockbox favour the iPod, or does it run equally well on iAudio, iRiver, Gigabeat players? |
| 19:41:51 | faemir | It works the same on both the iriver I tried and my 5.5gen ipod |
| 19:41:52 | Nico_P | webguest07: it runs better on the non-iPods |
| 19:42:05 | faemir | actually yes that's true. ipod battery = lame |
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| 19:42:37 | faemir | ooo, I have a question, Nico_P how come one day I updated rockbox and my battery life went from around 2.5 hours to more like 6? |
| 19:43:47 | Nico_P | faemir: at some point in the past few months, there were improvements in how rockbox manages the hardware in the ipods, which resulted in better battery life |
| 19:43:54 | faemir | oh ok =] |
| 19:43:56 | bluebrother | and to be completely exact, the runtime penalty affects all PortalPlayer based players |
| 19:44:20 | linuxstb | You mean PP502x players? |
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| 19:44:49 | bluebrother | yes |
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| 19:45:38 | webguest07 | I want a 30gb (at least) rockbox compatible player, I've been forced towards iPod because lack of availability of other players :( |
| 19:45:55 | faemir | webguest07, In my opinion, I would go for an iaudio X5L |
| 19:46:14 | faemir | but it's now unsupported, basically because they are literally about to release the X7 series |
| 19:46:22 | faemir | so I would wait, then get an X7L |
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| 19:46:23 | webguest07 | :O |
| 19:46:34 | faemir | which hopefully will be rockbox-able |
| 19:47:00 | faemir | considering the X5L has 35h battery life, the X7L will hopefully have more =] |
| 19:47:36 | Buschel_ | is there a chance that the battery lifetime for 5th gen iPods will be optimized during the next devcon or so? the optimizations for 1st/2nd came very surprisingly :o) |
| 19:47:48 | webguest07 | iAudio players are hard to find at competitive prices in the UK |
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| 19:48:31 | nls | Buschel_: I think the problem is that no-one really knows what the problem is |
| 19:48:43 | bluebrother | why on earth should the X5 be unsupported? |
| 19:48:57 | bluebrother | or are you referring to Cowon? |
| 19:49:15 | linuxstb | faemir: I know nothing about the X7, but if it's a brand new player, then it isn't likely to be based on the same (relatively old) hardware as the X5, hence it will be a completely new Rockbox port. So it will be a long wait, unless you want to work on the port yourself. |
| 19:49:31 | faemir | linuxstb, true =[ |
| 19:49:44 | faemir | But maybe it will be easy to develop :D |
| 19:49:56 | Buschel_ | nls: i thought _what_ was clear (e.g. ATA-off, PP-config), "only" _how_ is not known... |
| 19:50:00 | faemir | if that's so, I will just get an X5L then instead though |
| 19:50:15 | faemir | webguest07, i'm frmo the UK, just go on advancedmp3 or amazon... |
| 19:50:37 | linuxstb | faemir: "easy" is very likely to still be about a year's work - that's assuming skilled people take an interest and work on it. |
| 19:50:50 | faemir | linuxstb, =[ |
| 19:51:07 | nls | Buschel_: afaik those are just theories, maybe highly likely to be true but also "pp-config" is sort of an over-simplification :-) |
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| 19:51:26 | faemir | However, the firmware on iaudio players is pretty good compared to other players though |
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| 19:52:07 | Buschel_ | nls: yes, quite euphemistic statement ;) |
| 19:53:34 | Buschel_ | nls: the HDD e.g. consumes about 12mA in ide |
| 19:53:47 | faemir | oh dear, I just realised how criminal ipod prices are, their 1gb nano is £99, while the flash based iaudio is 4gb for the same price >_> |
| 19:53:59 | Buschel_ | nls: ...*idle mode. switching it off should give a lot more battery lifetime |
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| 19:56:04 | nls | Buschel_: yep, that should save quite a bit, did about 1 hour difference when I ran a test on my h300 ~13->~14 |
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| 20:00:09 | faemir | linuxstb, so what DAP would you recommend that runs rockbox? |
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| 20:01:30 | linuxstb | Anything... It depends on what hardware features you want - fm, recording, colour LCD (and size of LCD), hard disk, flash etc |
| 20:02:25 | faemir | All I want is 20GB storage or more |
| 20:02:35 | faemir | (I don't care about anything else) |
| 20:02:49 | linuxstb | Also, how important is battery life - I can live with around 5 hours without a problem, so am happy with even the worst ipods. |
| 20:03:29 | faemir | 5 hours is good with me |
| 20:05:41 | linuxstb | I would probably recommend a gigabeat F20 (or F40) - they are only available used, but are extremely good value (around $100 USD for 40GB) |
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| 20:06:48 | faemir | what is the difference between the f20 & f40? |
| 20:06:57 | linuxstb | The number is the disk size. |
| 20:07:09 | faemir | ah ok |
| 20:07:24 | faemir | If they are that cheap in the UK then hell yes! |
| 20:07:26 | linuxstb | Although the F40 is slightly larger physically - to accomdate a dual-platter disk. |
| 20:07:33 | faemir | of course. |
| 20:07:46 | linuxstb | I've seen a few F20s sell on ebay.co.uk for around 40 pounds in the last week. |
| 20:07:54 | faemir | any other models which are any good? |
| 20:07:59 | faemir | excluding all ipods here. |
| 20:08:21 | linuxstb | Yes, the iaudio x5/m5 and iriver h1x0/h3x0 are all decent DAPs. |
| 20:08:43 | faemir | ok, thanks |
| 20:09:02 | faemir | woah, that gigabeat looks /slick/ |
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| 20:11:58 | faemir | haha, someone on ebay is selling his iaudio x5 with rockbox on it, or atleast the closeup has rockbox on it =] |
| 20:12:20 | daurn|laptop | night all! |
| 20:12:26 | faemir | 'night |
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| 20:16:50 | faemir | linuxstb, how much would a brand new f20 be worth? |
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| 20:17:44 | linuxstb | I don't know, I guess they would have cost about 150-200 UKP originally (but that's just a guess). |
| 20:18:19 | faemir | ok |
| 20:18:19 | linuxstb | But I paid about 45 UKP for a second-hand one in excellent condition about 6 months ago. |
| 20:18:43 | faemir | awesome |
| 20:18:55 | faemir | how... often do they come up on ebay? :| |
| 20:19:44 | linuxstb | No idea. |
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| 20:20:36 | linuxstb | There's one now - <a target="_blank" href="http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TOSHIBA-GIGABEAT-F20-20GB-MP3-PHOTO-VIEWER-BOXED_W0QQitemZ250168418876QQihZ015QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem">http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TOSHIBA-GIGABEAT-F20-20GB-MP3-PHOTO-VIEWER-BOXED_W0QQitemZ250168418876QQihZ015QQcategoryZ73839QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItema> |
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| 20:21:27 | faemir | I saw =] Unfortunately I have a working 30gb ipod right here which I would need to sell first :P |
| 20:21:29 | tumu | would there be idea in replacing the codec memory functions with a memory pool functions? |
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| 20:22:15 | linuxstb | Ideally the codecs shouldn't use malloc at all. A lot of them don't. |
| 20:22:45 | tumu | yes, but having a memory pool would be the next best thing |
| 20:22:57 | tumu | i think |
| 20:24:06 | linuxstb | Well, the current implementation doesn't use free, and works fine. |
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| 20:24:13 | linuxstb | (for existing codecs) |
| 20:24:36 | tumu | yeah.. didn't work that well for dumb :) |
| 20:24:52 | tumu | had to replace it with a one having proper free |
| 20:25:07 | faemir | linuxstb, so what battery life do you yourself get out of the f20 then? |
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| 20:25:31 | linuxstb | faemir: I've never run out.... But I think people have reported around 18+ hours. |
| 20:25:45 | faemir | awesome |
| 20:26:04 | faemir | be right back. |
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| 20:27:12 | fm2 | linuxstb: hello! |
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| 20:29:11 | fm2 | Could you please tell your opinion to the question asked today at 16.22.08 according to IRC log? I think you're the one who could know the answer. |
| 20:30:09 | schneiko_ | hi there. i guess i found a bug in rockbox r14831 on iPod Mini 2G. The iPod crashes when i plug in the usb cable. is this a known issue already? |
| 20:30:26 | linuxstb | schneiko_: Yes. |
| 20:31:31 | schneiko_ | ok |
| 20:32:21 | linuxstb | fm2: I don't know. The build table doesn't report problems. |
| 20:33:37 | schneiko_ | linuxstb: is that bug in the tracker already? i would like to check back and upgrade as soon as it is fixed... couldn'd find anything right now... |
| 20:33:53 | linuxstb | I think so, yes. |
| 20:34:10 | fm2 | linuxstb: yes, that's what I don't get. I did svn revert in tortoise, it shows no changes. OK, have to figure it out myself somehow. |
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| 20:35:29 | linuxstb | fm2: Did you delete your build directory and re-run configure? Also, if all else fails, delete your svn directory and check it out again from scratch. |
| 20:35:43 | fm2 | linuxstb: as to the problems (challenges ;-) of yesterday: I don't see a way other than do two passes. One pass compiles, the second gathers the stings, creates a file out of them, and compiles that single file. And then the linker steps in. |
| 20:36:13 | fm2 | But this would make the build process much more complicated, so won't do it. |
| 20:37:01 | fm2 | And the feature I'm working on has no chances to be accepted (as I think), so I'll abandon working on it. |
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| 20:40:44 | TMM | Bagder: hi! are you around? |
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| 20:49:32 | * | nls still thinks that a simple make clean would fix fm2's problems but it seems he doesn't read the logs and pops out quite fast :-/ (I had that same problem when working on the lang cleanup) |
| 20:50:31 | XavierGr | that's it, I quit with that damn mingw business, I've been fighting all day with it and always the same error |
| 20:50:50 | XavierGr | pity and it seemed to be way faster than vmware and cygwin |
| 20:51:51 | nls | does cygwin have ccache? it speeds up compiling on native linux quite a bit |
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| 20:52:44 | XavierGr | nls: I am not sure, I think I tried once to enable it back when I was using it but I failed |
| 20:52:59 | XavierGr | but vmware is much faster than cygwin with or without ccache |
| 20:53:32 | nls | yeah, does the vmware image have ccache then? :-) |
| 20:53:42 | XavierGr | it is just that mingw seems more compact and fast |
| 20:53:46 | XavierGr | nls: of course! |
| 20:54:26 | nls | XavierGr: you could always take the easy way out, convert to linux ;-) |
| 20:55:06 | XavierGr | nls: sometimes I really wonder why I just don't do that.... |
| 20:55:21 | XavierGr | but old habits are difficult to forget |
| 20:56:36 | nls | I switched about a year ago when i realised that I didn't really play any games anymore, and haven't looked back |
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| 21:12:22 | faemir | linuxstb, one more thing, does the gigabeat f20 work easily with linux? |
| 21:13:22 | amiconn | Hmm, seems like tomal did some unnecessary work... |
| 21:13:34 | linuxstb | faemir: Yes, it just mounts as an external drive, like all Rockbox players. |
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| 21:13:52 | amiconn | Partially unnecessary, that is |
| 21:14:15 | * | amiconn is thinking about a significant change to the grayscale lib |
| 21:14:27 | faemir | linuxstb, i'm talking about the normal firmware |
| 21:14:59 | Nico_P | faemir: it has an UMS mode too |
| 21:15:04 | flami | Hi , I cant seem to copy a new version of rockbox onto my nano ( 1st gen ), i get an error that i cant replace roxbox.ipod and various other files. Also deleteing it wont work either, there weil always be a 0 kb file left . My ipod is in disk only mode now. |
| 21:15:12 | flami | HELP ;) |
| 21:15:13 | linuxstb | faemir: No, it needs some proprietory Windows application to transfer music to it. |
| 21:15:51 | linuxstb | faemir: But the OF is so bad, no-one involved with Rockbox ever touches it. |
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| 21:17:08 | nls | flami: sounds like disk corruption, you should run a scan on it, like scandisk, chkdsk, fsck.vfat etc |
| 21:17:13 | * | Nico_P has never even played a track in the gigabeat OF |
| 21:17:19 | flami | Ok thanks |
| 21:17:27 | amiconn | The grayscale lib will (hopefully) offer 128 shades instead of 33, while using half as much RAM as now |
| 21:17:27 | faemir | linuxstb, ok |
| 21:18:08 | faemir | linuxstb, do you have any idea how much I could sell my 30gb ipod for? (5.5 gen) |
| 21:18:22 | amiconn | ...and being faster to update, without "snow" effect when updating often (e.g. in doom) |
| 21:18:34 | flami | ran chkdsj lets see if it helps |
| 21:18:51 | flami | I was already wondering why linux only moutned it Read Only , tahts why i switched to weenydoze |
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| 21:20:51 | nls | flami: linux usually mounts disks as read only when there are errors on them |
| 21:21:09 | flami | yea ... though a bit too alte about that :/ |
| 21:21:16 | nls | so that can be seen as indicator ;-) |
| 21:21:41 | flami | weoobee works now :P ( the entpackageing |
| 21:21:47 | flami | unziping :P |
| 21:22:07 | flami | ok neat |
| 21:22:12 | flami | works |
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| 21:29:02 | amiconn | Hmm, there are builds missing?! |
| 21:29:07 | * | amiconn pings Bagder |
| 21:29:40 | nls | Yay, linking with ld > 2.17 works now with a small link script change, I wonder if it is a bug in newer ld or if it was an intended change... |
| 21:30:27 | * | nls notices that we are down to 6 servers |
| 21:30:36 | nls | build-servers that is |
| 21:30:53 | amiconn | ? |
| 21:31:04 | amiconn | Last round was built on 14 servers... |
| 21:31:34 | nls | ah, looked at the wrong number then, what is that other number on the right edge of the table |
| 21:31:52 | nls | the score of course! |
| 21:31:53 | amiconn | 'score', as it says in the table header... |
| 21:31:59 | * | nls shuts up now... |
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| 21:41:44 | nls | Lear: I fixed the linker script to work with ld 2.18 and later :-) |
| 21:41:56 | Lear | Yes, I saw that. |
| 21:43:48 | nls | for some reason the .ibss section seemed to overwrite the first ~20kbytes of the executable with zeros, I guess that has to do with their change to vma/lma handling |
| 21:44:20 | linuxstb | amiconn: What FPS does the C200's lcd manage now? |
| 21:44:24 | nls | adding an AT> DRAM after the closing bracket of section .ibss fixed it |
| 21:46:47 | nls | but support for another coldfire processor was added to both gcc and binutils this week so we will not be able to build the crosscompiler with 2.18 without patching it... |
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| 21:47:26 | Lear | Or remove that processor from the gcc "build list". |
| 21:48:01 | revnort | hey folks, im new to rockbox and i was wondering if anyone knew a good 'how to' on themes |
| 21:48:21 | nls | Lear: can you do that without changin the source? |
| 21:49:08 | Lear | Not that I'm aware, but the change is simple. |
| 21:49:31 | nls | yeah, I did that today to try out the latest snapshot |
| 21:51:18 | Nico_P | revnort: <a target="_blank" href="http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPS">http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/CustomWPSa> |
| 21:51:28 | Lear | Did you do any speed tests? |
| 21:52:20 | nls | just a quick one with tremor, no change since the last one, about 277% realtime on a file that is 326% with svn |
| 21:52:23 | amiconn | linuxstb: 14.5fps @30MHz, 38.5fps @80MHz |
| 21:52:33 | revnort | thanks Nico...sorry to interupt to the rest |
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| 21:56:07 | Lear | Was that with lower -O or less code in IRAM? |
| 21:56:36 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, so you were right to predict video performance may not be great... |
| 21:56:41 | Lear | Could be interesting to see how 3.4.6-generated code reacts to the same change... |
| 21:57:41 | maxkelley | what causes the c200 cpu to throttle between 30 and 80 mhz? basically, what warrants a throttle? |
| 21:57:42 | nls | Lear: I used O2 and removed all the stuff in lsp_lookup.h and floor0.c from iram, afact that shouldn't affect floor1 files |
| 21:57:50 | amiconn | linuxstb: It might not be that bad (lcd_yuv_blit() still isn't implemented), because the calculations can be done in the 'shadow' time which is unused in lcd_update() |
| 21:58:33 | amiconn | Looks like we really need to find out the meaning of the various bits in the lcd bridge's base register... |
| 21:58:46 | amiconn | I think there must be some bits to set the delay |
| 21:59:11 | * | amiconn wonders what fps a 4th gen greyscale or mini 1st gen gets with svn |
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| 22:04:02 | stevenm | Finally, and let it be in the logs: some MIDI files sound honky not because 10 bits is not enough fractional precision (it is) but because the depth of the pitch bend effect can change based on Controller 6. |
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| 22:04:57 | stevenm | How to implement this efficiently is another matter. I don't suppose it's possible to include 128 different tables into the code? :) |
| 22:05:02 | stevenm | I wonder how much space that would need |
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| 22:07:32 | amiconn | Depends on the size of the tables... |
| 22:08:04 | amiconn | Right now the midi plugin isn't really usable anyway (except maybe on gigabeat) |
| 22:08:47 | stevenm | amiconn, I don't know.. I've been using it quite a lot on h300 |
| 22:08:55 | amiconn | Really? |
| 22:09:04 | stevenm | yea, ever since Linus optimized the crap out of it |
| 22:09:11 | amiconn | *most* midi files I tried throw a lot of buffer misses |
| 22:09:36 | amiconn | ...and those buffer misses are the cause of more buffer misses (because of the lcd update) |
| 22:09:54 | stevenm | I've had few nowadays, but most work. maybe we have different files? maybe you have the old version? |
| 22:10:12 | stevenm | I'm considering taking out that printf, it would help.. |
| 22:10:12 | amiconn | I have whatever is in svn |
| 22:10:17 | stevenm | aah ok |
| 22:10:39 | amiconn | And I tried on H1x0, H300, ipod mini 2nd gen, and ipod 2nd gen |
| 22:10:56 | amiconn | On H1x0 it's somewhat usable as long as you don't plug the remote |
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| 22:11:09 | amiconn | ...and avoid around 30% of the midis I have |
| 22:11:11 | stevenm | aah.. linus moved a ton of stuff into iram, to the point that he took the sampling rate up to 44100 |
| 22:12:12 | stevenm | maybe take it back down? |
| 22:12:26 | amiconn | The 44kHz are for the sake of ipods afaik |
| 22:12:33 | stevenm | aah ok |
| 22:12:50 | amiconn | Without that, the midi plugin would be completely unusable (playing everything at double speed) |
| 22:12:58 | stevenm | true |
| 22:13:12 | stevenm | well, can take the effective sampling rate to 22k, then double every sample? |
| 22:13:18 | stevenm | wait, that doesn't make any sense |
| 22:13:58 | stevenm | yea, upsample in software? it's less work than producing those samples the hard way |
| 22:15:06 | stevenm | but then it would sound worse |
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| 22:23:00 | nls | hmm, that midi plugin doesn't use it's own makefile... instead the main c file includes all other c files and is built by the regular plugin makefile. |
| 22:23:24 | nls | fixing that would enable a possibly better compiler optimization level to be used |
| 22:23:30 | stevenm | nls, Yeah... sorry.. I didn't know Makefiles back then |
| 22:24:08 | stevenm | It could potentially be built -O3 ? |
| 22:24:38 | nls | stevenm: it's considered a bit unclean but the main point is that having your own makefile makes it possible to specify optimization level for that plugin, like -O3 for example |
| 22:25:04 | stevenm | nls, Hmm... I should try O3 and see what happens |
| 22:25:15 | nls | now -O3 isn't always faster than O2 etc so it would take a bit of experimentation |
| 22:25:33 | stevenm | true |
| 22:25:55 | * | amiconn has never seen -O3 being faster (on target) than -O2 |
| 22:26:05 | amiconn | Sometimes even -O1 is faster than -O2 |
| 22:26:23 | nls | amiconn: it is for tremor on coldfire with gcc 3.4.6 ~2% faster |
| 22:27:10 | amiconn | aha |
| 22:27:20 | nls | but yes iirc O1 was ~6% faster than O2 for libmad on arm |
| 22:29:29 | XavierGr | amiconn: have you ever tried to build rockbox with mingw? |
| 22:29:51 | XavierGr | I wasted all my day trying it, but I failed miserably |
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| 22:30:07 | amiconn | Why do you want to do that? |
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| 22:30:53 | stevenm | i started that drum sequencer thing I was talking about earlier. For now.. it plays one drum note when you press Right. |
| 22:31:00 | stevenm | This is SO much fun. |
| 22:31:16 | stevenm | it shouldn't be, but it is. now will try it on target |
| 22:31:18 | amiconn | I once tried to build rockbox (sims only) with microsoft sfu. It worked, but there was no significant speed advantage over cygwin |
| 22:31:57 | XavierGr | mingw seems a lot faster while building the tools |
| 22:32:09 | XavierGr | 5 seconds for vmware 2.5 seconds for mingw |
| 22:32:21 | XavierGr | but I never came to compile the cross compiler |
| 22:33:16 | amiconn | Did you try to build sims? |
| 22:33:41 | amiconn | That'd be a nice speed test which doesn't require crosscompilers |
| 22:34:10 | stevenm | i keep hitting this bug where if the CPU is under load and the backlight turns off, then sometimes keypresses cause a freeze instead of turning it back on |
| 22:34:23 | XavierGr | amiconn: no cause I had to cross compile sdl |
| 22:34:30 | XavierGr | maybe I will try that tomorrow |
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| 22:34:51 | amiconn | Iiuc that would be native sdl, not cross-compiled... |
| 22:35:08 | XavierGr | yes, I got confused |
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| 22:37:20 | amiconn | "The POSIX layer used by MSYS is a fork of the 1.3.3 version of Cygwin" <== I would expect the same speed issues then |
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| 22:39:24 | stevenm | Is there documentation anywhere for using graphics from within plugins? Ie, drawing lines, text, maybe even colors? |
| 22:42:00 | XavierGr | amiconn: from what I understand it is very light |
| 22:42:07 | XavierGr | but you can work without it I think |
| 22:42:22 | XavierGr | unxutils have an sh client which could replace it |
| 22:42:37 | XavierGr | I am not sure though, because of my failure I didn't dig up more on it |
| 22:43:48 | linuxstb | stevenm: See the GraphicsAPI wiki page, plus the xlcd* files in apps/plugins/lib |
| 22:44:09 | stevenm | linuxstb, thanks! |
| 22:44:24 | stevenm | I think I will have very much fun writing this plugin. |
| 22:44:31 | stevenm | and a lot of wasted time |
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| 22:59:52 | cframing | hi! anyone available? |
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| 23:00:56 | cframing | i'd like to submit my wps to the wpsgallery |
| 23:02:23 | cframing | hello? |
| 23:02:27 | bluebrother | hi |
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| 23:02:47 | cframing | hi, can you help me? i'd like to submit my wps to the gallery |
| 23:02:49 | bluebrother | so ... you're asking for wiki write permissiong? |
| 23:02:55 | bluebrother | s/g/s/ |
| 23:02:59 | cframing | yes |
| 23:03:10 | bluebrother | and your wiki name is ... |
| 23:03:15 | cframing | ChristianFraming |
| 23:03:37 | bluebrother | ok, done. |
| 23:03:48 | cframing | thank you. |
| 23:04:00 | bluebrother | you're welcome |
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| 23:17:38 | Bagder | daily builds and voices now exist for the c200 |
| 23:18:37 | * | petur wishes the recording code would be morte KISS :/ |
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| 23:19:20 | TMM | hey Bagder! :) |
| 23:19:33 | Bagder | hey |
| 23:19:34 | TMM | Bagder: mind if I /query you for a bit? |
| 23:19:39 | Bagder | shoot |
| 23:20:45 | * | linuxstb politely points Bagder to the logs at 19.36.51 |
| 23:21:15 | Bagder | yessir! |
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| 23:24:13 | linuxstb | petur: Only the recording code? ;) |
| 23:24:28 | petur | :/ |
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| 23:27:44 | * | Nico_P was able to update the git mirror at last! |
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| 23:28:21 | webguest97 | ROCKBOX INSTALLER THINGY RULES |
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| 23:28:38 | Nico_P | wow that was quick |
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| 23:28:50 | linuxstb | Is that a new song? |
| 23:29:31 | * | linuxstb misread that as Rockbox Installer Thingy Blues, and should shut up |
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| 23:32:58 | bluebrother | we should ship that as default demo song ;-) |
| 23:33:36 | Soap_ | but what does the rockbox intaller thingy rule? The Llama's ass? |
| 23:33:53 | bluebrother | it rules the players ass? |
| 23:34:21 | linuxstb | I think it shows we need a better name for it though... |
| 23:34:43 | bluebrother | may I suggest "Rockbox Utility"? |
| 23:36:29 | Soap_ | The Rockbox Escort. An outside service to hold your hand. |
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| 23:45:15 | amiconn | hrrrrm |
| 23:53:40 | chrisjs169 | wow, guess I missed a little |
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| 23:55:46 | petur | jhMikeS: here? |
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