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#rockbox log for 2007-09-25

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00:00:25LloreanDark_Apostrophe: Did you re-initialize the database? Rockbox doesn't care where the music is
00:00:30markunDark_Apostrophe: maybe you forgot to enable a satabase setting?
00:00:40Dark_ApostropheLlorean: How do I do so?
00:00:56markunDark_Apostrophe: try the manual :)
00:01:01LloreanDark_Apostrophe: Using the "Initialize" option instead of the "Update" option..
00:01:22Dark_ApostropheJust tried it, then went to the database...
00:01:28markuneigma: you are working on the mrobe port, right?
00:01:38Dark_ApostropheIt just says Building database (0 found) off to return
00:01:55bluebrotheryou need to reboot after initializing the database
00:02:08bluebrotherand the *manual* covers that.
00:02:21Dark_Apostrophethe *manual* is *gigantic* :p
00:02:26DefineByteshouldn't a message pop-up stating that?
00:02:34Dark_ApostropheIt's like finding a needle in a haystack :P
00:02:36DefineByte\if it doesn't
00:02:38Dark_ApostropheDefineByte: It did not
00:03:03DefineByteyeah, i'm just saying having one would be a good idea
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00:03:35nls_DefineByte: there is one, maybe it's not working always or the problem is something else
00:03:42bluebrotherif you initialize the database by using if (given that you haven't used it before) there is one
00:03:43DefineByteokay :)
00:03:48LloreanDark_Apostrophe: The manual also has an index and can be searched, which haystacks do not.
00:04:13bluebrotherand it's also possible that the splash comes up when searching the disc finishes. Not sure about that.
00:04:24Dark_ApostropheI must admit, ou have a good point there, Llorean
00:04:27bluebrotherLlorean: sorry, but the manual doesn't have an index.
00:04:42bluebrotherwe started working on it but it got never in.
00:04:45nls_but it can still be searched
00:05:22Lloreanbluebrother: Table of contents, sorry.
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00:05:29Dark_ApostropheThe database works after rebooting
00:06:05bluebrotherLlorean: ah ... but we had the idea of having a real index too ;-)
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00:08:23nls_amiconn: I just played through that entire midi file on my h300 and no buffer miss at all...
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00:12:57*bluebrother wonders about GIO
00:14:06bluebrotherI'd expect it to be GPIO ...
00:14:55velixzeenon a sansa e280 does the lock switch act as a write-protect switch also? Does it prevent manufacturer mode from writing a BL file?
00:15:59velixzeenok, thanks.
00:16:27*jhMikeS wonders why the gigabeat S lcd code isn't based on the more developed meg-fx code and is having a crisis with all these new ports and holding onto major code changes. argh.
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00:20:41*jhMikeS gets a move on. video changes, pcm changes. sort it out later...and then heh, another dual core target. bah.
00:22:22markunjhMikeS: the DM320 is dual core?
00:22:56peturiirc it is core+dsp
00:23:49markunthat I know
00:24:26jhMikeSisn't it dual arm+dsp?
00:24:36jhMikeS2x200MHz I thought
00:24:55kkurbjundifferent clock speeds on the arm and dsp
00:25:19scorche|work"DM320 has an ARM926 core and a TMS320 C5409 DSP"
00:25:25scorche|worksounds like just one core
00:25:37jhMikeSDM320 or TMS320?
00:25:39kkurbjundsp runs at 100 mhz and arm runs at 160, but that's dependent on the specific step you get
00:25:53kkurbjunit's a TMS320DMS320
00:26:10scorche|workTMS is the DSP, DMS is the arm
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00:26:38kkurbjunsorry, DM320, not DMS
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00:26:50bluebrotherwouldn't the D in DM imply to be DSP part?
00:26:52Nico_PjhMikeS: the touch screen for the m:robe500i too :)
00:26:54kkurbjunand single arm
00:27:01bluebrotheror suggest even.
00:27:07nls_kkurbjun: could your latest change to midiplay have significantly reduced the amount of buffer misses?
00:27:33scorche|workbluebrother: one would think, but it doesnt seem like that...
00:27:49bluebrothercompanies seem to like strange namings ...
00:28:20markunkkurbjun: there might be some useful stuff in here:
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00:28:26kkurbjunnls, that's a different issue, buffer misses refers to PCM buffer missing
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00:28:51jhMikeSsomehow I got the impression it was two ARM cores _and_ the DSP core.
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00:29:10kkurbjunmarkun: thanks
00:29:17nls_kkurbjun: and these are caused by slow performance? also are they easily heard?
00:29:55kkurbjunI think the midi player might just loop the old sample twice, but I can't remember the functionality
00:29:56jhMikeSNico_P: I'm not even gonna worry about touch screen. Not even relevant to this stuff.
00:29:59markunkkurbjun: perhaps we can work together with neuros on some DSP code (FFT implementation for example)
00:30:03nls_jhMikeS: if it has two 160 MHz cores we can just pretend one doesn't exist :-)
00:30:17Nico_PjhMikeS: I was mentioning it because it's a new dev direction
00:30:50kkurbjunmarkun, that would be nice - right now the port isn't quite to that stage atm
00:31:01kkurbjunbut is something to consider for the future
00:31:30jhMikeSn1s_: now, why would we want to do that? the stuff I've done to kernel could run with 20 cores. just gotta get pp5020 figured on what's really wrong there.
00:31:37kkurbjunwe can compile things for the DSP if you don't mind using evaluation tool downloads
00:32:29nls_jhMikeS: if it is such a PITA as the pp was/is but maybe most of the issues are worked out now, and then there's no reason :-)
00:33:07jhMikeSn1s_: It's not a pain for anything but one single chip. Why cripple everything else?
00:34:40*jhMikeS wonders if he misread n1s_'s statement and apologizes if so.
00:34:41nls__if_ it is such a pain but i guess you are right, anyway I wouldn't touch the kernel/threading code with a ten foot pole
00:35:08nls_anyway goodnight
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00:37:14eigmamarkun: yes, kkurbjun and jdGordon are also working on it
00:37:25Nico_Phmm apparently noone noticed that the line selector isn't drawn as usual on my FS #7808 screendumps
00:39:20jhMikeSI guess I should just put this dither option under more general "Display Options" in place for mpegplayer along with the bonus asm idct? Things seemed genereally in favor of it when I talked about before.
00:39:47peturNico_P: I like it too, haven't looked at the patch (16KB???)
00:40:17Nico_Ppetur: why does the size surprise you ?
00:40:35midgeyNico_P: you even made the selected item text a different color too
00:40:48peturhmm it adds some more options...
00:40:50Nico_Pmidgey: yes, that was on purpose
00:41:15bluebrotherpixelma: I just committed the changes. Hope you don't dislike it ;-)
00:41:25midgeyNico_P: just trying to draw other people's attention to it :)
00:41:31bluebrotherand now it's time for some sleep. cya.
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00:42:47peturNico_P: does it work with double selectors?
00:43:15Nico_Pno, it displays two gradients... I wanted to solve it but didn't find how it could be done
00:43:17pixelmaNico_P: how much impact is there on targets that can't even use it (is there?)
00:43:33midgeypetur: double selectors?
00:43:40Nico_Ppixelma: it's only available on colour targets, and I think there is no impact on others
00:44:07Nico_Pmidgey: System > running time
00:44:17jhMikeSok, no big "no" about the option...and so let it be written and so let it be done. :P
00:44:25Nico_Ppetur: it's not *that* ugly though
00:44:33peturand the recording screen uses a trick where both L and R are selected first to change their gain together
00:44:52midgeypixelma: there shouldn't be any changes to non-color targets assuming i got all the ifdefs and lang options right
00:45:00Nico_Ppetur: ah, I haven't checked the recording screen... is it available in the sim ?
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00:45:33peturif you build for a target that has recording ;)
00:45:41pixelmaNico_P: what do you think, does it make drawing even slower on e.g. the Ipod Video? Someone tried on target?
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00:46:36Nico_Ppixelma: if you use the regular selector it should make almost no difference... with the gradient selector I wouldn't be surprised if it's a little slower
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00:47:35Klevi-.-.. anyway, are there any themes availible for the Sansa c200?
00:47:44midgeyeven without gradients, there's a bit more computation than the normal inverse, but not too much
00:48:48jhMikeSgradients? what's happening now? why would inverse be more complicated?
00:50:12midgeyjhMikeS: its not, i was saying that gradients are more complicated than the inverse bar and the color bar is still a slight bit more complex than the inverse bar
00:51:27midgeytesting on my gigabeat, the original patch, before kfazz added gradients, seemed to operate at nearly the same speed as the inverse method
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00:51:42midgeyi'd assume its pretty much the same now
00:51:51midgeybut of course, thats the gigabeat....
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00:52:44jhMikeSrelative speeds should hold pretty well between processors.
00:52:58*Nico_P is seeing a problem with the remote on the H300 sim
00:53:09Nico_P...wrt the gradient patch
00:53:24*midgey had no remote to test with and forgot the sims....
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00:54:11Nico_Ppetur: on the H300 sim, the recording screen just used the inverse bar... In fact I believe the gradient is only used in lists
00:54:38jhMikeSit tries to do gradients on the remote?
00:54:46peturweird, I would have assumed this was a system-wide change?
00:54:47Nico_PjhMikeS: probably
00:54:47pixelmaKlevi: haven't seen one available for download yet. I "ported" the one I am using on a different player too but it was just a very quick work and not ready yet. But it's not that hard to write your own, in my opinion (the CustomWPS page is helpful)
00:55:20Klevi*is going to the store for a moment* Thats quite helpful, thanks
00:55:25KleviIl try my best.
00:55:46Nico_Ppetur: there is a global setting involved, but it is only correctly used by the list... other screen still see it as a bool
00:55:58Klevibut just to say, Rockbox is far better than the original OS.. minus the fact that you cant use the radio.
00:55:58pixelmaNico_P: and the X5 with its greyscale remote?
00:56:13Kleviit doesnt hang as much
00:56:39Nico_Ppixelma: building, but I assume it won't show anything either
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00:58:22peturjhMikeS: is that CHUNKF_ERROR also set for buffer overruns?
00:59:47jhMikeSpetur: No, those are only warned about since they're not really fatal.
01:00:02Nico_Ppixelma: same on the X5... the lcd driver for the remote screen isn't adapted anyway so it couldn't have worked
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01:01:24jhMikeSpetur: you're adding the attempt to finalize the file on I/O error? If CHUNKF_ERROR is set the encoder will ignore it altogether.
01:01:32jhMikeSignore the chunk that is
01:02:03peturI'm adding a forced pcmrec_end_file() on errors to write the header
01:02:31Nico_POK, the remote bug is fixed
01:02:32peturI still haven't found what borks playback on disk full error
01:03:12peturafter a disk full error in recording, playback no longer works
01:03:51peturmy H10 even crashed, but it tends to do that more so it could be unrelated
01:03:58kkurbjunanyone around that's familiar with ATA
01:04:18*petur tests on his H10 5GB, easier to fill for disk full tests ;)
01:05:07kkurbjunby ata, I specifically mean the low level registers, ATA_ERROR, ATA_NSECTOR, etc..
01:05:42peturkkurbjun: you need amiconn, LinusN,...
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01:07:31midgeyif anyone has time or is feeling motivated
01:07:34kkurbjunamiconn, are you around?
01:07:46midgeycan someone take a look at FS #7546
01:07:53jhMikeSpetur: that one they definitely do - any dual-core stuff aside. I think there's some hidden corruption or sorts...maybe cache related.
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01:08:11midgeyit makes some changes to how rockboy handles the lcd and adds greyscale ipod support
01:08:28Nico_Ppetur: do you think the gradient is needed for the recording screen ?
01:08:36midgeybut those changes may have made rockboy on the h100 slower
01:09:11jhMikeSit's not a general gradient function? just a bg?
01:09:19peturjhMikeS: maybe I got lost in that code but it looked like it didn't: before writing the header it checks the flags and aborts I think
01:09:42peturNico_P: I think it is needed for consistency
01:09:56peturall bars should look the same
01:10:08peturand serve belgian beer ;)
01:10:47jhMikeSpetur: yeah, it has no current use for a borked state but it _was_ passed to the encoder anyway to allow something to be done. I suppose it could ignore it for the CHUNKF_END_FILE case.
01:10:57Nico_Ppetur: OK, I'll take a look
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01:20:10Nico_Ppetur: done
01:20:59KleviIve found that in the Graphic EQ for the Sansa c200 the 5th bar is cut off screen and the cursor skips a line
01:21:10KleviWhy is that?
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01:22:16Kleviand.. why doesnt the blue light behind the buttons turn off?
01:23:17pixelmaKlevi: the port is quite new and the more "cosmetic" things aren't completely perfect yet (you'll find that "skipping" in the colour settings too for example)
01:23:33KleviI see.
01:23:40KleviWell thats okay, itll get better
01:24:20KleviIm hlafd worried about my battery life being stemmed though..
01:24:46KleviSory for being a noob
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01:30:30Nico_Pok, bed time now
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01:30:45peturjhMikeS: that file corruption thing is weird: after recording fails, I have a file which properties finds to have a certain size, but upon reboot it becomes 0 bytes. Looks like a dircache thing :/
01:31:09*petur also think it is bed time
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01:32:55pixelmaKlevi: because of the buttonlight? I hope that'll be figured out, on the sansa e-series there are settings for it.
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01:33:23KleviCurses for my lack of money when I bought Mp3 player of mine >.<
01:33:34Bam2550Where do i add my Mpeg files so i can watch them? (ipod nano) Also after they are on the ipod, where will they end up?
01:34:04Bam2550Thanks in advance
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01:38:54KleviIs there a way to raise the buffer size in Rockbox? Audio skips when raising the volume or decreasing
01:45:45pixelmahaven't experienced that on mine but it doesn't have to do with the buffer size. Do you use eq?
01:46:11KleviSholud I turn it off?
01:47:36pixelmaeq is very cpu intensive, you should try turning them off and use bass/treble settings instead or use only a few bands (the less the better)
01:49:02pixelmaand also the peakmeters in the default theme are cpu hungry if you write your own you shouldn't use them
01:50:16Kleviyou mean those bars that move with the music? Right?
01:50:24Klevicant I just disable them entirely?
01:51:56pixelmayes, that's what I mean. As I said I had no problems even with the default theme but I don't use the equalizer. And no you just can't turn them off that easily
01:55:08Bam2550Where do i add my Mpeg files so i can watch them? (ipod nano) Also after they are on the ipod, where will they end up?
01:57:40pixelmaI'm off for the night, for general questions as yours I recommend searching the wiki or the forums or the manual (though the latter is very fresh and especially player specific things like button mappings can be still quite off)
01:58:02ToHellWithGABam2550: rockbox searches and builds a database. did you put your music files in any particular directories?
01:58:39pixelmaBam2550: they'll end up where you put them when copying them to your player
01:58:40ToHellWithGAi never used itunes for my ipod and rockbox found the music i copied into a directory on the drive that i named myself
01:58:44Bam2550Well, my regular .mp3s or what ever are in this RO1 file. So i think i should put it in there?
01:58:53linuxstbToHellWithGA: The database doesn't index videos - which I assume is what Bam2550 is referring to.
01:59:19iambendon't you just browse to the vids in the file browser?
01:59:40linuxstbBam2550: No, you should put them somewhere sensible - e.g. create a folder called "Videos" on your ipod and put them there. (but you can put them anywhere you want)
01:59:41ToHellWithGAoh no! what a failure of a database :P
01:59:56Bam2550So just anywhere?
01:59:59Bam2550as long as there on the ipod
02:00:05linuxstbBam2550: Yes.
02:00:27ToHellWithGABam2550: you can get better playback characteristics if you just roll your own .mp4 files and reboot into the original ipod firmware
02:00:46linuxstbToHellWithGA: On the Nano?
02:00:58pixelmaKlevi: my first statement was to you, didn't see the other question in the meantime
02:01:16Bam2550Okay, also one thing about the themes
02:01:18ToHellWithGAlinuxstb: does the nano not support video? i just have a vanilla ipod video
02:01:36linuxstbToHellWithGA: Not the 1st gen Nano, which is the only one Rockbox works on.
02:01:37KleviThanks pixelma
02:01:50Klevi=) Much appreciated
02:01:59Bam2550Do i just replace the old backdrops, fonts, themes, and wps that where on my nano with the new ones i downloaded?
02:02:03ToHellWithGAthat's such a bummer. i guess the smaller display might handle video a bit better anyhow.
02:02:18linuxstbToHellWithGA: Yes, Rockbox has very good video playback on the Nano.
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02:03:18linuxstbBam2550: If you're asking how to install a theme, you just extract the contents of the zip file containing the theme to your ipod, then select it via the Browse Themes menu option.
02:03:41Bam2550well when i download it i get a .rockbox folder...
02:04:03linuxstbNo, when you download you get a zip file. You extract that zip file to your ipod, don't extract it onto your computer.
02:04:35Bam2550yes i know
02:04:50Bam2550but the .rockbox in the folder is much different then the .rockbox on my ipod
02:04:59Bam2550(like there are more folders in the one on my ipod o.0)
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02:05:17linuxstbThat's not a problem - it only contains folders containing the theme elements.
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02:06:12Bam2550So i replace the one on my ipod with the one in the zip file.
02:06:32ralfonsoI'm getting the following compile error, compiling for Gigabeat: /home/ralfonso/downloads/rockbox/build/librockbox.a(system-meg-fx.o): In function `ADC': system-meg-fx.c:(.text+0xd8): undefined reference to `irqvector'
02:06:36ToHellWithGABam2550: it adds
02:06:47ToHellWithGAit doesn't just up and replace everything. it just fills in with those new files
02:07:04Bam2550oh! so basically it only replaces the backdrop, themes, wps, and fonts thing like i said? xD
02:07:21ToHellWithGAit doesn't even replace those. it just adds new ones to each of those folders
02:07:28ToHellWithGAso you can pick which you'd like to use
02:08:18linuxstbBam2550: You may want to try the Rockbox Utility - it automates this process -
02:08:28Bam2550o.0 ty linuxstb
02:08:33Bam2550and ToHellWithGA
02:08:50ToHellWithGAkeeping the defaults is a good idea because some themes expect defaults for some parts. If you run a theme with a new icons, for example, the next theme you run might leave those icons and not look as good as it might with default icons
02:10:36linuxstbralfonso: According to this page, current SVN compiles fine - Are you using the current source?
02:11:13ralfonsolinuxstb: pulled from SVN about 20m ago
02:11:28ralfonsocompiling with arm-elf-gcc 4.1.2
02:12:43linuxstbralfonso: Could be a gcc issue - 4.0.3 is the recommended version... I've never seen it before though.
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02:13:36Ebertwhats wrong with georgia tohellwithga ? :D
02:14:05ToHellWithGAevery last bulldog is a fool
02:14:10ToHellWithGAthat's all really
02:14:25ToHellWithGAthe state itself isn't half bad, particularly atlanta and savannah
02:14:50Ebertoh, just a UGA hater, ok
02:15:12Ebertlooks like its their "rebuild season" anyhow
02:15:13ralfonsolinuxstb: thanks. I'll try it with 4.0.3
02:15:36ToHellWithGAi'm a little tiffed calvin johnson went out for the draft
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02:15:51ToHellWithGAgranted the GT bowl game sucked, but that's neither here nor there in #rockbox.
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02:34:02Klevihow can I clear the virtual keyboard after searching for an artist?
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02:41:48sdoyonHello. When I change an eq setting in the simple EQ setting, should I hear the effect right away?
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02:44:40KleviI do, but i think it depends on the player you have.
02:45:53ralfonsolinuxstb: thanks. it worked with 4.0.3
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03:13:52sdoyonIs it possible that the menu callback doesn't get called in the case of the simple eq settings?
03:16:11JdGordonit shouldnt be
03:17:09sdoyonJdGordon: it shouldn't be called, or it shouldn't be possible? :-)
03:17:32JdGordonshouldnt be possible
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03:17:49JdGordonwhats the problem?
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03:19:39sdoyonJdGordon: I don't hear any effect when applying a setting from the simple eq menu. I do when doing it from the advanced menu. I do have a patch applied to speak the dynamic menus, so I'll need to make sure that's not the cause of the problem of course.
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03:20:39Bam2550Hey, do i have to make my videos a certain size to play them on my Ipod Nano (with rockbox)? Also can they be .avi?
03:20:39JdGordonoh, I dont tihnk you can speak the eq menu because it sets lcm_low_lattency mode which could be causing you problems
03:22:14sdoyonJdGordon: Indeed. I'm trying to move that to the inner menus, rather than covering the entire eq settings menus. Or possibly disabling the low latency if only for myself...
03:24:02Bam2550Hey, do i have to make my videos a certain size to play them on my Ipod Nano (with rockbox)? Also can they be .avi?
03:26:26LloreanBam2550: 1) If nobody answers, please don't ask again without waiting at least 30 minutes.
03:26:32LloreanBam2550: 2) Read the manual.
03:26:59scorcheBam2550: 3) Read the channel guidelines.
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03:32:10sdoyonJdGordon: OK I did test without any code modification (slightly difficult, guess work with a scroll wheel...), and it does seem to confirm what I was saying: the simple eq settings appear not to be applied. I'll test whether the callback gets called I suppose.
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03:33:03JdGordonthis is the software eq settings?
03:33:58sdoyonJdGordon: yes.
03:36:18JdGordonsdoyon: none of those menu items has a callback set
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03:36:48JdGordonoh wait... hmmm
03:37:20JdGordonyeah, they have no callback
03:38:25Bam2550How do i find my .mpeg video file on my rockbox? (i made a new folder on my nano called "videos" like it told me to, then i put the mpeg in, and now i dont know where to look... =\)
03:39:54JdGordonmaxkelley: dont give people wrong information please
03:40:07JdGordonBam2550: go "files" from the main menu
03:41:02Bam2550Ill try it
03:41:21Bam2550ROFL, thanks jdgordon
03:41:32eigmaJdGordon: hey what's up
03:41:34maxkelleyJdGordon: I wouldn't tell him if I thought it was wrong.
03:41:44JdGordonhey eigma, not much
03:42:09Bam2550maxkelley, you dont choose the mpegplayer, you have to go to File>videos>FunnyVideo
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03:42:32Bam2550I think something is wrong with the file, because when i click it the screen just shows the background, then goes to the main menu
03:42:48JdGordondid you follow the conversion intructions?
03:42:57maxkelleymy target doesn't yet support mpegplayer, so I wasn't exactly sure, but since nobody else had yet given him an answer, I decided to give it a shot.
03:43:13Bam2550Not really, i just changed it from an .avi to an .mpeg. I'll try the right way now.
03:44:06JdGordonso thats not at all.. no not really about it
03:44:12Bam2550JdGordon, do you mind to give me a link to a "how to convert video into .mpeg and play it on your nano"?
03:44:45JdGordonMpegPlayer even
03:44:50aliasktwiki even
03:44:56JdGordonsomewhere in the wiki
03:45:46kkurbjuneigma: I just committed my non working ata stuff, it spits out different error codes now. I have to go now though :)
03:45:46Bam2550Er, no but ill keep on trucking
03:46:00maxkelleyJdGordon: don't give people wrong information, please. the correct url would be
03:46:01JdGordonkkurbjun: ata -11?
03:46:09kkurbjunit's -32 now
03:46:17JdGordonmaxkelley: dont be rude... im a dev... your not
03:46:34maxkelleyand that gives you the right to be rude?
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03:46:48maxkelleyhi wossname.
03:46:58scorchemaxkelley: did you happen to follow that link?
03:47:06Bam2550Your all wrong xD
03:47:13Bam2550But thanks anyways
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03:47:31scorchemaxkelley: he was in no way rude
03:47:43maxkelleyscorche: eh, no :)
03:47:51eigmakkurbjun: cool!
03:48:06kkurbjun:), I wish it worked though
03:48:14scorchemaxkelley: try it...
03:48:19JdGordonis -31 better or worse than -11 ?
03:48:25JdGordon-32 even
03:48:27Bam2550scorche: thats what i said xD
03:48:46wossnamehi max :3
03:49:04kkurbjunI don't know, I haven't backtraced through the code enough to figure out the error number yet
03:49:23kkurbjunI'm assuming its a bit better though because the registers were all wrong before
03:49:42kkurbjunsee you guys
03:50:09Bam2550see you later.
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03:52:45sdoyonJdGordon: OK! I added a call to the callback in that do_option() function. Now it gets applied! Thanks for making me have a second look.
03:53:16JdGordonno worries. although Im not sure thats the correct way to do it
03:53:24JdGordoncan you pastebin your changes to that file?
03:54:12JdGordonactually.. yeah that could be correct... pastebin it anyway and ill commit that now
03:54:13sdoyonJdGordon: Err I've never tried that thing...
03:54:38JdGordonor just dcc me the file?
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03:56:03ddaltonsdoyon: Your patches don't seem to run on the latest svn (hunk errors) do you have an update or should I do it?
03:56:52sdoyonddalton: Oh? I'm up-to-date. I can send you the lot if you want.
03:57:15ddaltonsdoyon: can you please send them to me then?
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03:58:11sdoyonddalton: Sure, in a moment. Got to finish another discussion first :-).
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03:59:53ddaltonsdoyon: ok do you know how to make a voice unit?
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04:05:25velixzeenWhat is the status of e200 sansa? Is it supported?
04:06:00*Klevi is tempted to say yes but is very new to rocbox
04:06:07scorcheis it on the frontpage?
04:06:18KleviI use it on my Sansa c200.
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04:07:35velixzeenscorche: yes and I think it should be removed
04:07:52Kleviis it broken>
04:07:58velixzeenthe bootloader fails to dual-boot
04:08:10velixzeenOF just crashes
04:08:14scorcheon your device...but on most of the devices, it works just fine
04:08:40velixzeenhmmm... how am I so lucky? :)
04:08:40scorchesome nanos have issues as well..should we remove those from the front page as well?
04:09:24KleviUpdated company firmware i guess
04:09:35scorcheKlevi: we dont know
04:09:39sdoyonJdGordon: called eq_menu.diff.
04:09:47KleviThats just my guess.
04:09:50scorcheif we knew precisely, it would likely be fixed
04:09:52Klevidont quote me
04:10:10velixzeenWell, I know I'm not alone. And unbricking is not fun.
04:10:14sdoyonJdGordon: along with P7563.
04:10:21KleviLike with PSP hacks, with custom firmware, you get what I mean?
04:10:40JdGordonsdoyon: is 7563 needed for that paste?
04:10:44scorcheKlevi: do you have anything to back up this guess, or is it just a random guess with no backing?
04:10:54scorchevelixzeen: it takes 2 min...if that...
04:10:56sdoyonJdGordon: probably not.
04:11:02Klevinot really, but logiacally it would make sense wouldnt it?
04:11:21scorcheKlevi: one wouldnt make random guesses without any backing if one works logically
04:11:38velixzeenRight two minutes, after you read and find the files, etc.
04:11:44Klevimaybe I dont work logically then
04:12:14scorchevelixzeen: yes...that sounds like a horrible process...
04:13:03KleviIm off too sleep anyway.. its 10pm. Night all
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04:13:52velixzeenNo, spending $150.00 bucks and then bricking it with open source firmware is the horrible process.
04:14:04scorchethat isnt bricking it
04:14:27sgsaxruns great on my e260
04:14:49velixzeenyes it does run on some e200's
04:14:53velixzeennot all
04:15:07sgsaxnot the e2xxr series, I believe
04:15:40velixzeennot sure of the R series, mine is just e280
04:15:51sgsaxbut I think any other e2xx sould be ok, from what I've read so far
04:17:00JdGordonsdoyon: im off for a bit, ill comit that in a while
04:17:30sgsaxvelixzeen: what version OF?
04:17:38sdoyonJdGordon: Thanks.
04:18:19scorchesgsax: that hasnt been the same through all of the suspected units
04:18:22sdoyonJdGordon: If you're still here: would it make sense to add a setting to disable the low latency thing, for when 7you're blind?
04:18:41velixzeensgsax: hang on
04:18:53sgsaxperhaps it a range of OF versions?
04:18:57*sgsax guesses
04:19:08scorchesgsax: as in people have had the same version and some worked, some didnt
04:19:46sgsaxI'm no expert, by any means, was mostly thinking out loud
04:20:05velixzeen0.1.00.12A is there now, I assume that replaced whatever was there before.
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04:20:29sgsaxwaiting for mine to finish booting to OF to check...
04:20:46sgsaxtakes several minutes to refresh the database with a full drive
04:21:04scorchesgsax: well, before you "think out loud", you might want to read up on current progress so you dont just repeat things we have heard over and over again ;)
04:21:18sgsaxhey, I make a great parrot :)
04:21:50scorchepirate day already passed...we dont like parrots anymore
04:22:08velixzeenscorche: do you do dev work for rockbox?
04:22:30scorchevelixzeen: why do you ask?
04:22:47velixzeenjust wondered
04:23:01sgsaxduly noted
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04:24:11sheppardrockbox support FLAC?
04:24:31scorchevelixzeen: you can identify anyone associated with the project through their cloak
04:26:23JdGordonsdoyon: your ina a better position than me to answe than...
04:26:36sheppardscorche: I run a really really old CVS version of rockbox, any easy way to upgrade?
04:26:46sheppardon my ipod
04:26:46sgsaxfwiw, my OF is 1.02.15A, that's what it came with, but I bought mine refub, so it may have been installed by hte vendor
04:26:58*sgsax shuts up now
04:27:15velixzeensgsax: ok
04:27:23scorchesheppard: delete the rockbox-related files, then copy over new ones....dont forget to update your bootloader as well
04:30:01sheppardwell damn
04:30:04sheppardhtats just too easy
04:30:13sheppardthanks scorche
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04:31:07scorchesheppard: you might want to read the manual for bootloader installation instructions as has likely changed a bit from when you did it last
04:31:35sdoyonJdGordon: Sure, I'll be trying that out for a few days. But if it seems useful, that'd be acceptable?
04:33:09sheppardscorche: I ran some exe provided by the manual and pushed 'i'
04:33:12sheppardstupidly easy
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04:36:25JdGordonsdoyon: well, imho its settings bloat, but there seems to be a trend to be a bit lax for the non sighted users... so i guess it would be ok
04:37:26eigmaanyone familiar with the Rockbox make system aroud?
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04:41:14velixzeenanyhow, saying rockbox works on the e200 is going to cause people to assume that it will work on their e2xx.
04:41:24scorchevelixzeen: it does work
04:41:49velixzeenyou said there is a problem though
04:41:58krazykitvelixzeen, e200 is the generic model name.
04:42:00scorcheyes, there is a bug with some devices
04:42:12velixzeenand if you knew what it was you would fix it
04:42:23scorcheand we dont know what it is /exactly/
04:43:07velixzeenwell I hope you find it
04:43:45velixzeenhello krazykit
04:44:14sdoyonJdGordon: you know, can you make this clearer for me? I have a slew of blind related patches on the tracker, was encouraged to do the work on the dev list, but no dev seems much interested. Is it just not particularly exciting to most devs, or it's seen as bloat? Or I'm just not going at this the right way...
04:44:25scorchewell, it is a bit hard to find the issue when no developers have a device that exhibits the problem
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04:45:20velixzeenright. Sandisk, are they helpful or useless, or a combination of the two?
04:46:27JdGordonsdoyon: dont take this personally, but im going to be blunt... I personally think that the voiceing patches are bloat, BUT I do appreciate that there are lots of blind users so it would be great for themif the patches went in.... but yeah, the patches arent very interesting
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04:47:28JdGordonsdoyon: I tihnk the best thing for users would be if you (o someone else) maintained a unsupported build which had all these voice patches ntill they do make it into svn
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04:50:09sdoyonJdGordon: I'd rather you be blunt. But the thing is they are not making it into svn. Only one did and it took 9months. Is there any point putting stuff up on the tracker and asking for reviewers?
04:53:28JdGordonsdoyon: yeah, I dunno.. I tihnk you should write an email tot he -dev ml and ask whats the story with all the patches (probably list them), I dont actually know how the others feel about their inclusion, or if they arnt going in because they are done badly/wrongly
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04:55:46JdGordonjust looking at a random patch (#7798, talk_time()) you use the variable name xact, which isnt wrong, but not really nice... we prefer full english words...
04:56:22sdoyonJdGordon: OK, fine. Well at least you're looking :-).
04:56:38JdGordonthe voice callback for the list makes sence, but didnt look at the actual code yet
04:57:44sdoyonJdGordon: Ideally someone with a click wheel would need to try it.
04:59:09sdoyonJdGordon: Some are reasonably simple: P7563 for the eq menus, P6325 for the rec trigger, P6171 for the quickscreen (not that it's terribly useful, only it's annoying when you enter it by mistake and the controls seem not to work anymore).
04:59:27sdoyonJdGordon: Others I could use advice on.
05:00:28sdoyonJdGordon: When you say bloat, you mean code-wise, or resources, or just too many settings? Is there anything that might be done to make it better...
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05:01:58ddaltonsdoyon: what about p6323 could that be committed? and what about p6331
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05:03:50JdGordonsdoyon: bloat wise, i mean all three, but maily binary size wise...
05:04:06ddaltonwhat about p7653?
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05:05:33JdGordonddalton: I suggest you go to the start and read my opinion on all these patches again...
05:07:13JdGordonsdoyon: so yeah, best tihng to do is write up an email for the -dev mailing list and see what the others think
05:07:34sdoyonJdGordon: Perhaps a compile-time option to disable the voice stuff...?
05:08:05ddaltonsdoyon: what's the main problem with them? Isn't that why lang v2 was committed?
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05:08:11JdGordonthats the other option, but just as pointless.. I would tihnk more people that need voice would have a hard time compiling anyway so why make it harder?
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05:08:30sdoyonJdGordon: I'll do that. (Didn't get anywhere last time, if I may be allowed to grumble...) Thanks for talking about it.
05:09:04ddaltonsdoyon: are you getting my messages?
05:09:48ddaltonJdGordon: could p7682 be committed? It isn't very big but I am sure it would be quite useful
05:10:20ddaltonI know it would work on the ipod's, x5 if you have p7814 and h300 if you have p7814
05:10:29ddaltonI think it is p7814
05:10:36ddaltonIt is to do with voicing the alarm
05:11:03sdoyonJdGordon: If I may take a bit more of your time... Can you tell me about which players have more limited resources, how much RAM/flash are we talking about... What are the constraints? I'm familiar with the newer players only, and they're pretty big.
05:11:06JdGordonddalton: like I said... im not interested in the voicing patches very much, I tihnk their bloat, so no, unless there is a general go for all of them from the swedes im happy to let them stay on the tracker for ht eitme being
05:11:54ddaltonsdoyon: I know the archos have 1.4 mb ram but not sure exactly what moddles
05:12:01ddaltonLet me look it up
05:12:06JdGordonsdoyon: the archos targets have 2mb ram and are very limited on how much binary we can stick on them, atm we have to compress rockbox on them so they run at all (I think we have a fair bit of leeway on them now though)
05:12:35JdGordonrombox which has been killed off was the big thing, but we are 40kb too big for that on certain targets
05:12:35ddalton2 mb o yeah the voice file has to be under 1.4 mb
05:13:22JdGordonall the other (working) targets have at leats 16mb ram and no space restriction any time soon
05:13:42sdoyonJdGordon: so rombox is gone? Which player was it runing on?
05:14:00ddaltonJdGordon: so the archos are holding rb back?
05:14:02JdGordonarchos player/recorders/ondios I tihnk
05:14:12JdGordonddalton: yes and no...
05:14:19ddaltondoes anyone even use the archos now?
05:14:31*JdGordon would love to kill off the arhcos player port, but its not going to happen
05:14:34ddaltonwhat's the no part for?
05:14:56*ddalton would to
05:15:37*Isolinear had an Archos Studio 20 for 3 years...
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05:16:16JdGordon2.8% of dailies/svn builds are downlaoded for the archos models
05:17:57ddaltonso we're holding rockbox back for 2% of people?
05:18:51JdGordonthats one way of looking at it
05:19:14ddaltoncouldn't we have something like this: #Ifh300 code for a certain feature? Sorry if my #If is wrong
05:19:20JdGordonalso the fact that one of the main devs owns a few of those targets means it wont die
05:19:22ddalton#if h300
05:19:32sdoyonJdGordon: Still...seems to me it ought to be possible to lmiit functionality on the archos to keep the code size down. But on all the other players, it's not exactly tight.
05:19:45ddaltonwho owns one?
05:20:22JdGordonsdoyon: we can and do do that already
05:20:44ddaltonso why was p6159 committed? then?
05:20:53JdGordonwhich was 6159?
05:21:00scorcheit is more a matter of thought...rockbox isnt going to drop support for a player, and rockbox should be as similar as possible across all devices
05:21:06ddaltonsince we can't commit other patches due to the archos
05:21:19JdGordonddalton: I didnt say that...
05:21:42ddaltonthe talk all the splash screens one by sdoyon
05:21:45ddaltonor most
05:21:46sdoyonOf course my brand new player of last year is already discontinued, so I can understand that.
05:22:21ddaltonso is mine
05:22:39ddaltonwhat players can you get that support rockbox today brand new?
05:22:54JdGordonsansa e200
05:22:57ddaltonsdoyon: can you send me your update?
05:23:08ddaltonand that's it?
05:23:17JdGordoni think so... maye the c200 also
05:23:25JdGordonipod 5.5g..
05:23:35ddaltonwhat about the tosheba ones?
05:23:44JdGordonthey are discontinued i tinhk
05:23:47JdGordonand impossibly to find
05:24:26ddaltonwhat about ipod clasic hasn't that taken over the 5.5?
05:25:03JdGordonyou can still buy the 5.5's in shops though...
05:25:39ddaltonwhat if you want a 30 gb ipod and when you can't get the 5.5 will you have no choice but an 80 gb?
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05:27:40ddaltonsdoyon: what player do you have?
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05:27:58sdoyonJdGordon: Well, thanks for the chat anyway. Getting late.
05:30:21sdoyonJdGordon: That commit: the last hunk should not have been included, it'll disable the low latency. And the first is unneeded.
05:30:42sdoyonddalton: X5L and e280.
05:30:44JdGordoni fixed that in the 2nd comit
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05:31:55sdoyonJdGordon: Ah indeed. Sorry. Thx.
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05:32:04ddaltonsdoyon: have you being using the alarm functionalaty?
05:32:24ddaltono his gone
05:34:06CkaniHi was looking at the wiki and was wondering if it would be ok to list players that are similar such at the TMS320 groups on there in case of later work?
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05:57:18DestroI was wondering if someone could help. I was trying to play Doom on rockbox and it gave me an error "base wad not found" and quit. Would I have to copy a regular doom wad file into my plugins folder to make this work?
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06:04:59sgsaxon the e200, is the default setting for max files in dir browser still 400, or is it 1000 now?
06:07:05sgsaxif it's 1k, then the manual needs to be updated
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06:08:23stevenmHello. What is the polity on committing new plugins? Do they have to be approved, or can I just toss it in?
06:08:34stevenmer policy
06:09:10ChrononI would think that if you have commit priviliges you would know the policy.
06:09:24ChrononOtherwise you can put a patch on the tracker
06:09:53Chrononis that what you mean, stevenm?
06:10:32stevenmWell, I do have commit access. I only ever added one plugin, and I asked Linus if it was okay. Now I want to add another one, so I'm asking
06:10:59Chrononok. don't have much input on that, I'm afraid
06:11:00stevenmPlus, that was a while ago, and there may be some new rule on plugins that I missed
06:11:34ChrononBy the way, what kind of plugin?
06:11:42stevenmChronon, drum machine
06:12:00eigmaba-dam pam tssh!
06:12:12stevenmhighly unfinished, only ported to iriver, just started it yesterday. can't save or load or anything
06:12:18stevenmbut you can edit the pattern and play it
06:12:37eigmaany ARM assembly gurus around?
06:12:44stevenmafter i got that working, all productivity stopped dead in its tracks because i was just playing all day with the thing
06:14:26stevenmOk, well, I'll commit, but i will comment it out of the makefile until it is done fully
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06:22:23jhMikeSeigma: well, I know a bit but I wouldn't say "guru" so maybe I can help?
06:25:00eigmajhMikeS: okay, do you know if this does what it says?
06:25:08eigmaall this MRC/MCR stuff always confuses me
06:29:03jhMikeSI suppose that's rather device specific but it looks like it just reads, clears and coprocessor register bit then writes the result to it.
06:29:31eigmait should apply to all ARMv5's
06:30:16eigmaI think it's working on my device.. thanks for looking at it
06:30:20jhMikeSyou can select high/low vectors in software? So this makes it use low vectors?
06:30:26eigmayeah, it should
06:30:57eigmathe ARM TRM says so, but it only gives a register definition, not full examples on doing it
06:31:52Dark_ApostropheDoes anyone know if pluginmpegplayer has any plans for supporting more formats? (XviD, Ogg Theora etc...)
06:35:19scorcheDark_Apostrophe: not really
06:35:37scorchewhat is wrong with mpeg2?
06:36:04Dark_ApostropheBig file sizes, high degrees of artifacts
06:36:43Dark_ApostropheBesides, if it can run Doom, it should be able to run something like Xine - maybe a mini version of it, or something
06:36:51scorchedoes that motivate you to implement other formats?
06:37:09Dark_ApostropheWell - sorta, but I have one big hurdle if I were to do so:
06:37:13Dark_ApostropheI don't know how to code :p
06:37:29scorchewell, if you are motivated enough, i dont see how that is a very big obstacle
06:37:59Dark_ApostropheI've tried it before. I just can't focus on boring books/tutorials
06:38:07scorchewell, if you are motivated enough, i dont see how that is a very big obstacle
06:38:19Dark_ApostropheI've got a BASH book and a Python book on my shelf. Never got very far in either - I just get bored and end up doing something else
06:38:25scorchewell, if you are motivated enough, i dont see how that is a very big obstacle
06:38:38Dark_ApostropheI'm not, then. :P
06:38:56scorchethen how would you expect us to be motivated enough to do it for you?
06:39:11Dark_ApostropheI'm not asking you to
06:39:17Dark_ApostropheI just asked if there were plans to :p
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07:03:49ddaltonwho knows how to speak french here?
07:04:42ddaltonactually don't worry
07:05:29eigmathis isn't #french, but I do
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07:06:33ddaltonI know it was a rockbox question
07:06:39ddaltonhow do you say "disk"
07:06:45ddaltonactually "disk size"
07:06:55eigmala taille du disque dur
07:06:55ddaltonand what is your language file called?
07:07:13ddalton"la taille du disque dur"?
07:07:17eigmac'est quoi le nom de ton fichier de langage?
07:07:54ddaltonto hard when you don't know the language don't worry
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07:20:33amiconnjhMikeS: The asm idct is used on all arm targets?
07:21:30amiconnLooks like it from the build errors...
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07:22:12*amiconn would like to see an asm idct for coldfire committed :/
07:24:52jhMikeSamiconn: yes
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07:42:58jhMikeSstill got it...lousy battery
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07:59:57amiconnHmm, mpegplayer is very unstable
08:02:18jhMikeSon what?
08:02:29amiconnTried H10 and iPod Mini G2
08:02:46amiconnIt often data aborts on startup, sometimes even with voice disabled
08:03:11jhMikeSheh, probably movement of the data from the changes.
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08:04:09amiconnIt seems to happen on startup only, once the video started playing, it works, even if I call the menu and return
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08:05:12jhMikeSit's incorrect cache handling. it's more stable with the dual-core patch which addresses that stuff within it's relevance.
08:05:26JdGordonstupid bloody battery
08:05:49ddaltonwhat code is executed when I press the record button in the recording screen?
08:06:03jhMikeSfrom what I'm experiencing, H10 isn't stable dual-core patch or not. it still can have that spindown lockup.
08:06:43jhMikeSddalton: which particular area? just the screen itself?
08:07:04JdGordonok whos good at maths? im trying to get the pixel value from the touch screen.. I have the x,y value at the four corners... how do i find out the pixel that was pressed?
08:07:08ddaltonjhMikeS: Just in the screen that you press to start recording
08:07:19ddaltondo you know where I should look?
08:08:18amiconnJdGordon: That's trivial linear interpolation...
08:08:27jhMikeSwhere is calls audio_record and audio_new_file
08:09:23ddaltonso what do you mean by "where is calls audio_record and audio_new_file"?
08:09:51JdGordonamiconn: yes i know... but i absolutly hate maths and cant thinkhow to do it :p
08:09:53jhMikeSin rec_command.
08:10:10ddaltonwhat c file?
08:10:19jhMikeSoh, sorry...apps/recorder/recording.c
08:10:36ddaltonok thanks im going to have a look
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08:12:29ddaltonjhMikeS: do you know how to make rockbox play a beep sound? Like when you go to the next song if you have beep set to yes
08:12:33ddaltonor maybe its on
08:15:31ddaltonjhMikeS: around?
08:15:45jhMikeSit does have that in Playback settings
08:17:35ddaltonI copied a beep function from playback.c it compiled but didn't work
08:17:58ddaltonis there somthing I can do to see if my code is been executed when pressing rec?
08:18:08ddaltoncould I play a voice clip?
08:18:10jhMikeSamiconn: I'm sure something is really setup wrong on the PP5020 targets. Heck if I know what yet but it all seems related to having the cache enabled.
08:18:13ddaltonor is voice not loaded
08:19:40jhMikeSddalton: it's not really possible atm to voice the recording screen for many reasons.
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08:21:11ddaltoncan I make it play a beep?
08:22:29jhMikeSnot as things are and the only targets that could even hope to pull it off without some pcm driver rework are the coldfire ones.
08:22:53jhMikeSwell, gigabeat _could_ beep in the hardware but it doesn't record. :\
08:23:36amiconnThe archoses can "beep" when starting/pausing/stopping a recording
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08:24:04amiconnIt's more a burp than a beep, but still better than no indication
08:24:05jhMikeSyes, forgot about that hwcodec.
08:24:28ddaltoncould the h300 beep?
08:24:28amiconnAnd the ipods could be made to beep with their piezo - but only some ipods can record
08:24:36jhMikeSthe player unfortunately doesn't record
08:24:50ddaltonthe h300 records
08:25:26ddaltonthe h300 can record can't it?
08:25:27jhMikeSddalton: for x5, h100, h300, m5 (?). it might be doable since they can record and play simultaneously.
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08:25:48ddaltonok so what should I add in that switch?
08:25:49amiconnHmm, something is wrong with mpegplayer on ipod video now
08:25:59amiconnI only get audio, and a black screen
08:27:13amiconnHmm, that only applies to the fullscreen test video. Widescreen works.
08:27:20jhMikeSamiconn: that one happens as well with the cache stuff. try adding the for(i = 0x10000000; i < 0x10002000; i++) inb(i); lines from ipod_init_cache to invalidate_icache.
08:28:13ddaltonjhMikeS: what function should I use to make it beep?
08:28:43jhMikeSddalton: there's no function that will currently work while recording.
08:28:53jhMikeSpcmbuf_beep does it normally though
08:29:09ddaltoncould I make it beep and then start recording?
08:29:43jhMikeSonce you're in the screen, it's technically already recording, either prerecording or just discarding the data depending on the setting.
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08:32:39jhMikeSto beep on SWCODEC during recording, a small (but simple) waveform generator would be required to produce the output. the beep as it is now is just part of the pcm buffer in pcmbuf.c.
08:32:59ddaltonok I can't get it to work
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08:34:12ddaltonjhMikeS: How can I get the name of the current file that is playing in the wps and then play its talk clip?
08:38:35jhMikeSddalton: I have no idea about that.
08:40:29ddaltonjhMikeS: ok I will search the code
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08:45:04aliaskHow do you build voices these days under linux?
08:45:17ddaltonaliask you should be able to run configure
08:45:36aliaskIt isn't an option in configure any more...
08:45:42ddaltonand select your target and advanced then voice
08:45:51ddaltonwhat about advance?
08:45:57ddaltonand you type make voice
08:46:06ddaltonwhen it generates your make file
08:46:06aliaskAh, yes. Thanks!
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08:51:50jhMikeSdamn this pp5020 stuff is unstable
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09:16:56amiconnjhMikeS: Svn is about equally unstable on PP5020 and PP5022 for me
09:17:14amiconnPP5002 is stable, but we don't have multicore there (yet)
09:17:28amiconnStable, as in mostly stable, like the coldfire targets
09:17:37jhMikeSIt's not just for multicore stuff actually. It's misbehaved at every turn.
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09:18:44jhMikeSPP5024 is almost as easy to make changes for as any MFC5249 or S3C2440
09:19:25amiconn5022 and 5024 are identical, apart from the tacked-on AS3514
09:20:03amiconnAnd the 5022 is far from stable, at least from my experience
09:20:17amiconnVoice triggers lots of crashes
09:21:22jhMikeSI can't imagine their truely identical then or it comes from it not being flash based and somehow ATA is involved.
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09:23:29jhMikeSAlot of this stuff seem to involve disk activity not to mention it seems to get stuck in an exception mode occasionally.
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09:45:46jhMikeShmmm...everything seem ok if I don't perform the initial FIFO fill in my patch (which is code that doesn't actually execute in SVN since the mask is wrong).
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10:04:14markunjhMikeS: thanks again for the dithering options. In some scenes the difference in huge.
10:06:02preglowtried a new nano yesterday
10:06:04preglowit's too short :/
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10:07:51jhMikeSmarkun: welcome
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10:10:07stewballhey all
10:10:42markunhi stewball
10:10:48jhMikeSpreglow: is that the squarish one?
10:11:29stewballI've got a quick question about the config stage of compiling
10:11:48stewballwhat RAM is it asking for
10:11:52stewballthe device's RAM
10:11:56stewballor my computers?
10:12:03B4gderthe device's
10:12:06stewballok cool
10:12:31B4gderpresumably you have more in your PC ;-)
10:14:01*jhMikeS figures out it's best to leave the TXFIFO disabled during initial fill and then enable it
10:14:23preglowjhMikeS: yeah
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11:03:47przemhbHi all
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11:21:48przemhbmarkun: could you be so kind and once again take a look on my patch #7712 - I've placed the new codepage as a last one
11:22:15markunwell, according to amiconn it didn't matter that it was not at the end (oops)
11:22:20markunso I commit it anyway
11:22:30markunbut I'm a bit busy now
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11:23:24markunprzemhb: what's your full name? (to add to the credits)
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11:28:23przemhbmarkun: Przemysław Hołubowski
11:29:20*GodEater_ thanks god for a unicode IRC client
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11:33:18markunCREDITS is UTF-8, right?
11:33:22markunprzemhb: thanks
11:34:01linuxstbCREDITS: UTF-8 Unicode English text
11:34:24fm2Bagder: how can I keep the preprocessed C files during the build? Can I just add the -save-temps option? If yes, where should I add it?
11:34:33amiconnYes, but the number of unicode chars used should be limited
11:35:04amiconnMany fonts (for bitmap targets) are rather limited
11:36:06amiconn...and charcell cannot display everything either
11:36:17markunamiconn: does this polish l get replaced with 'l'
11:36:22amiconnExtended latin should be okay imo
11:36:31fm2petur: how do you work with cygwin and tortoise? cygwin is set up to use native windows CRLF? How about the problem I had yesterday (build script couldn't parse the feature file correctly)?
11:37:17linuxstbfm2: I would guess you need to use the same line-ending setting in both tortoise and cygwin.
11:37:56peturfm2: I haven't tried genlang yet but afaik you have to use native line endings
11:38:15jhMikeSamiconn: you said you had the recipe for 16-bit packed samples on H10? I thought I remembered it but I'm getting silence.
11:38:21peturbecause all svn files have the native-eol keyword
11:38:51peturfm2: did you rerun cygwin setup and change line-endings to DOS?
11:39:31fm2petur: yes. If I run a program and redirect the output to a file, DOS line endings are generated
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11:40:11fm2petur: but some other components of cygwin (shell, perl, ...???) seem to have problems with it
11:41:03peturhmmmm maybe I should try some things at home tonight? This will be in about 10 hours however :/
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11:43:05fm2petur: ok, have a nice day!
11:43:32fm2Any thoughts/comments about -save-temps?
11:44:58przemhbmarkun: in latin1 transcription for polish "ł" is "l", but the original polish letter "ł" you can get using 0xC5 0x82 code in UTF-8
11:45:44markunprzemhb: I was just wondering how rockbox handles it on the archos player
11:45:47linuxstbfm2: Why not just try it and see? It looks to me as if it would work, although it's not clear where the files will end up...
11:46:27fm2linuxstb: I don't know where to add that option (in what make file)
11:46:41fm2I'd surely try and see
11:46:43jhMikeSfm2: file files end up in the source tree as .i and .s files
11:47:02jhMikeSGCCOPTS= in the makefile
11:48:15amiconnmarkun: Archos player does have the "latin small letter l with stroke" - see firmware/drivers/lcd-charset-player.c
11:48:16fm2jhMikeS: the main one? Or that in the apps subdir? I.e. where is that symbol defined?
11:49:04jhMikeSthe one you do make on
11:49:18jhMikeSif that's what "main" means
11:50:07linuxstbfm2: Do you want that output for every file, or just some?
11:50:07fm2jhMikeS: ok, will try. Thanks!
11:50:34fm2linuxstb: not for all of RB, just those under apps
11:50:53linuxstbThen you could edit apps/Makefile - e.g. add it to CFLAGS
11:50:59fm2linuxstb: und subdirs thereof
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11:51:28linuxstbAll subdirs? i.e. plugins, codecs ?
11:52:42fm2linuxstb: no, only the core, i.e. menus & co. I'm interested only in the files that might contain menu macros.
11:53:27linuxstbThen apps/Makefile is enough - that's used to compile the code in all subdirs apart from plugins/ and codecs/
11:54:08linuxstbi.e. it will compile all the files listed in apps/SOURCES
11:54:12fm2linuxstb: yes, I'll try. I see that codecs and plugins have their own makefiles
11:54:56fm2linuxstb: that's exactly what I need
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11:58:53JdGordonanyone with a strong opinion on all the voice patches around? sdoyan was in this morning trying to find support for them and only I was around....
12:00:08*bluebrother has an idea for something similar to the themes site for fm preset
12:00:19przemhbmarkun: Thank you.
12:01:10stewballhi all, got another small question for my first patched compile
12:01:46stewballwhere do i put the .patch files?
12:02:17stewball/opt/rockbox was the folder I downloaded to from subversion
12:02:26linuxstbJdGordon: I have no objections to more voicing, but I never use it, and don't know enough about those parts of the code to commit the patches.
12:02:39bluebrotherstewball: check the wiki −− there is a page called WorkingWitPatches or similar
12:02:52stewballok cool cheers I'll wiki first in future
12:03:48JdGordonlinuxstb: same here.. i dont object to them, and am happy to look at them, but dont really want to do it unless there is a general concensus to accept most of them...
12:03:56JdGordonbearing in mind it will definatly make a big red delta
12:07:16linuxstbJdGordon: Reading the logs this morning, I thought you were against them...
12:07:59JdGordonyeah, i dunno really.. i spoe i should say im indeferent to them, but...
12:08:36amiconnjhMikeS: Yes, but I don't remember it exactly right now. It involves setting the dac to "dsp mode", and a change to the i2s setup, sending 2 samples in a 32 bit word
12:09:44amiconnSetting i2s to 16 bit words does not work
12:10:17linuxstbI have this patch sitting on my computer (from 29 August) - I don't know if it was the working one or not though -
12:11:54jhMikeSlinuxstb: that was preglow's I think
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12:12:28linuxstbjhMikeS: OK. The IRC logs from then could be helpful though...
12:12:40jhMikeSheck if I know when that was
12:13:11linuxstbI just said - 29 August...
12:14:14jhMikeSlinuxstb: heh. missed it in all that text.
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12:21:32jhMikeSrecipe sounds nice here
12:22:06jhMikeSseems like there's more bass so I'll just grab a beer or something since that make no sense :\
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12:27:31jhMikeSrecords fine too
12:31:36linuxstbjhMikeS: Do you have problems with playback on the H10 not working after recording, or haven't you tested recording on the H10?
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12:33:55linuxstbNico_P: I've just looked briefly at your gradient patch - shouldn't the lang strings be included only for colour targets?
12:34:08Nico_Plinuxstb: they should indeed
12:35:20jhMikeSlinustb: It just stays stuck
12:35:32pondlifeJdGordon: Maybe the PLAYBACK_VOICE #ifdef stuff should be moved to a more general VOICE_ENABLE - allowing people to make a smaller binary if they never want voice support?
12:36:18JdGordonyeah, that sounds reasonabkle
12:36:25pondlifeIMHO, the voicing should cover everything displayed, and in the same format.
12:36:42jhMikeSlinuxstb: there's some really odd tie-ins with disk access. with these settings, sometimes actual audio is received only when the disk is flushing otherwise silence.
12:37:00pondlife(except perhaps WPS)
12:39:05JdGordonpondlife: wps perhaps?
12:39:36pondlifeWell, you wouldn't want the progress bar voiced :)
12:39:50JdGordonyou would want _any_ of the wps voiced?
12:40:03pondlifeMaybe the caption backlight setting could be used to announce a new track.
12:40:11pondlifeAlthough I personally wouldn't.
12:40:38linuxstbHow does it work currently?
12:41:05pondlifeCurrently it just turns on the backlight for a few seconds at track start - not much use!
12:41:19pondlifeBut I assume that's so you can read the new track name
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12:41:32linuxstbI mean the voicing - is any info about the currently playing track voiced?
12:41:56pondlifeNo. You use follow playlist and go to the browser to get a title.
12:42:20pondlifeBut I wouldn't want any more voicing there myself.
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12:43:07linuxstbIf we had a spare button, I would suggest it would be nice to be able to press a button and for info about the current track to be spoken.
12:43:18pondlifeYep, a "read WPS" button
12:43:25amiconnlinuxstb: How would that work without tts?
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12:45:09*jhMikeS gets tired of the outl(inl(addr) | val, addr) crud and wants orl() and andl() shortcuts
12:46:04amiconnJust define register names, and use |= and &=
12:47:21JdGordonfark this touch screen is annoying me!
12:47:30jhMikeSI don't have names for everything under the sun
12:48:28ZagorjhMikeS: if they are registers, use the official register name
12:49:12jhMikeSIf you have the datasheet sure, np
12:50:50amiconnjhMikeS: In such a case where you only know the controller the register belongs to, you could use contrustions like IIS_0x2808
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12:50:56Zagorthen make up one. it doesn't have to be plain english, but even TLAs are better than numeric addresses
12:51:53amiconn(or even IIS_0x08, as 0x70002800 is the i2s base)
12:53:01linuxstbamiconn: The filename could be voiced in the same way as the file browser, and all other info is just numerical.
12:53:12Zagorwhy 08? CD1 and CD2 are a lot better names for clock dividers, if that's what they are
12:53:25Zagoror CDH and CDL if it's a high and low
12:54:08jhMikeSthe H10 dealy gets weirder all the time. after recording, no sound but the peakmeters are pulsing around lightly. lol...something is just setup sooo wrong here.
12:54:56markunJdGordon: what's the problem with the screen?
12:55:21JdGordonI cant figure out how to only read one sample :( the best i've got is 4 samples
12:55:26jhMikeSIISDIV1/2 ... bleh
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12:56:34jhMikeShmmm...I tried the core-local exception vectors and the thing boots faster
12:57:17linuxstbjhMikeS: Exactly the same issues happen on the ipods that record - when first implementing recording, I tried to fix it (playing around with all the inits), but failed...
12:58:26jhMikeSlinuxstb: even making sure the WM is reset to playback properly?
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12:58:49crackerizer_2hello, everybody
12:59:07crackerizer_2i'm trying to add a language to rockbox.
12:59:09jhMikeSIt looks like it's not getting data pulled from the FIFO, so no clockout
12:59:36crackerizer_2and i have a problem
12:59:49markuncrackerizer_2: which language?
12:59:58B4gderand what problem?
13:00:03crackerizer_2markun: thai
13:00:21linuxstbjhMikeS: As far as I could tell, everyting was being re-initialised (for playback) after recording, but it didn't work. I don't know if it's related, but I also got similar problems when I tried to add support for playback at different samplerates (I think I was trying to get Doom sound at a lower samplerate) - IIRC, it would work at the first samplerate, but not after any change.
13:00:27crackerizer_2B4gder: it has a complex font layout
13:00:27markuncrackerizer_2: ah, I do believe we don't do the combining correct for thai script yet
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13:02:00jhMikeSlinuxstb: When poking at it I did get settings that would allow progress after returning from recording but they're wrong anyway.
13:02:11crackerizer_2markun: yes, the font display is corrupt & a lot of distortion.
13:02:29jhMikeSHmmm...perhaps slave mode for the audio codec?
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13:03:29crackerizer_2it can't viewable at all.
13:03:42peturjhMikeS: playback not working after recording, is that without having a diskfull error?
13:04:01jhMikeSpetur: yes, on H10. It's just acting weird.
13:04:39peturah ok, so I can scratch that bug off the disk full failure list
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13:05:19jhMikeSThe H10 seems to be working better with exception vectors mapped core-local. Boots really fast too...did I say that? :)
13:05:29markuncrackerizer_2: did you select a font with support for thai?
13:07:11crackerizer_2markun: yes, i converted a thai's ttf font to .fnt and it works with distortion and bad layout
13:07:58jhMikeSpetur: yeah, not sure why that would come up as a disk-full failure for H10
13:08:08markuncrackerizer_2: what happens if you try one of our existing fonts with thai support?
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13:08:36crackerizer_2markun: i dont try it yet. I'll give it a try.
13:09:36crackerizer_2markun: anyway, how can i commit a translation to rockbox? i did about 30% of translation
13:09:49crackerizer_2to thai...
13:11:05markuncrackerizer_2: submit it to the patch tracker
13:12:05crackerizer_2markun: thank you so much, i'll submit it when done....meanwhile, let's try some thai fonts first :)
13:12:34markuntry unifont, 6+12x13 and 8x13B
13:13:00crackerizer_2markun: i'll try...
13:13:24markunand if you find a nice document on how to do thai script rendering, that would also be nice
13:14:46crackerizer_2markun: thanks for your advice... :)
13:15:41markunnp :)
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13:21:25jhMikeSblarg, it was other bits doing that...hehe
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13:36:33crackerizer_2markun: i tried the font. It's better than the one i converted.
13:36:56crackerizer_2but it is not render correctly.
13:38:45crackerizer_2what could i do to help?
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13:41:04markuncrackerizer_2: well, I think we need to write some code to combine characters, or are there other problems?
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13:44:32crackerizer_2markun: no other problems.
13:45:14crackerizer_2i think i'll translate the language first, after that i'll look at the rendering..
13:46:36markuncrackerizer_2: ok, good idea. I don't have much time this week, maybe next week
13:50:43crackerizer_2markun: thanks you so much..
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13:55:35jhMikeSdammit I can't get this stupid H10 to freeze...what's wrong with it? :p
13:56:01linuxstbjhMikeS: Sounds like good news?
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14:00:06jhMikeSI'm hoping. I've no idea what's going on.
14:01:12RaZorbacKhello i'm editing a lang file generated by the genlang script. just need some clarifications. what o i have to do with the deprecated string in my new lang file?
14:01:13Zagordoes anyone here have the Samsung S6B33B2 datasheet? (Sansa C200 display) I assume lowlight does, anyone else?
14:01:34RaZorbacKi know they don't have to be deleted in the master but uiin the new one ?
14:02:25jhMikeSZagor: no but tell him I want one since I like to collect them even if I don't need them yet :)
14:02:51markunZagor: amiconn found it
14:03:09ZagorI tried the samsung site actually. it claims they'll send it to me "after support personnel verify your needs"
14:03:43RaZorbacKno lang files guru in here ? :)
14:03:44*jhMikeS wonders what they're getting at
14:04:05Zagorand all the datasheet sites seem to be nothing more than click farms
14:04:38ZagorjhMikeS: correlate with my order history? :)
14:05:05jhMikeShehe. so often a datasheet comes from a russian site. go figure.
14:05:53B4gderZagor: amiconn found it I think
14:06:01Zagorah, found it on
14:06:02B4gderoh, markun already said that
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14:10:30markunRaZorbacK: sorry, I don't know either
14:11:20B4gderRaZorbacK: a translation always just have to include whatever you want
14:11:32B4gderdeprecated ones you can ignore completely
14:12:12RaZorbacKb4gder: so i can completely suppress the deprecated stuff including the id ?
14:12:27RaZorbacKthx a lot
14:12:31B4gdera translation can be a single phrase if you want
14:12:44RaZorbacKa single phrase ?
14:13:02B4gderthe key being "if you want"
14:13:04RaZorbacKwhat do you mean? we have to respect the dest, xource etc isn'nt it ?
14:13:31B4gderI'm saying there's not a single phrase you MUST have included in a translation
14:13:57B4gderand since the deprecated ones aren't even used in english, there's no point in providing them ;-)
14:14:43RaZorbacKok, i just thought that we may let the fact that theyt are deprecated in order not to confuse the voice file generation
14:15:25RaZorbacKthank you b4gder
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14:22:05B4gderhey barry, you seen what they seem to have found out on the e200 bootloader?
14:22:20B4gderthe sdhc suport seems to be interfering
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14:25:09amiconnZagor: I found it on
14:25:53jhMikeSB4gder: so, what's needed with any SD card support in the BL anyway?
14:25:54ZagorI ran around there but found myself being redirected all the time
14:26:04Zagoranyway, got it now and linked to it in wiki
14:26:35B4gderjhMikeS: isn't the access to the internal nand done in a similar way/code?
14:27:14B4gderbut I agree that either way, sdhc isn't needed in the bootloader
14:27:32amiconnZagor: Imho we should host as many datasheets as possible ourselves. Links tend to break over time
14:27:35jhMikeSsimilar but it flips regs around
14:28:12jhMikeSit has a multiplexer and such
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14:29:54jhMikeSiniting a card can also make an ATA read on the internal flash fail the first time. is trying to mount a card off in the BL?
14:30:37B4gderI don't know, people have just identified that our e200 bootloader stopped working to boot the OF once the hc support got in
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14:32:18B4gderi figure that may also be why it has problems on the e200R models
14:33:08jhMikeSperhaps it's the SEND_IF_COND and it doesn't get ignored as much as it should?
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14:34:24jhMikeSI'm guessing that at least shouldn't be sent to the internal flash
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14:41:18barrywardellBagder: hi, just saw your message
14:41:59barrywardellis that the OF booting problem?
14:42:05B4gderyes, it seems so
14:42:12B4gdersomeone tracked down the single commit that broke it
14:42:33barrywardellFor some reason, I don't have that problem
14:42:46barrywardellthe current bootloader loads the OF fine for me
14:43:07B4gder"The 14424 commit is what is causing the failure."
14:43:28jeplerI'm using rockbox "current build" on a sansa e200-series. Thanks to anyone here who has worked on it −− it's pretty neat
14:43:51barrywardellI wonder why it affect other sansas, but not mine
14:44:18linuxstbbarrywardell: Do you always boot with your microSD card inserted?
14:44:30B4gderjepler: you're welcome!
14:44:33barrywardellit works fine without
14:44:41barrywardellalthough the of doesn't detect the microSD
14:44:52linuxstbbarrywardell: So booting the OF firmware works fine both with and without the microSD inserted?
14:45:21linuxstbThere goes my theory then...
14:45:26barrywardellthe OF just ignores the microSD
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14:46:49barrywardellthe old rockbox bootloader froze on startup with the microSD in though...could be related?
14:47:24B4gderhm, yes it does feel like it
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14:50:38*jhMikeS didn't think microSD support exited at all when the old bootloader was built
14:52:11linuxstbThe working bootloader is from 23 March...
14:52:28barrywardellthe bootloader immediately prior to my high capacity commit froze with my microSDHC inserted
14:53:30jhMikeSso what happens if card_detect_target just returns false in the bl?
14:53:30B4gderan #ifndef BOOT would make sense for the entire microsd support
14:55:08eigmamarkun: were you looking for me yesterday? (as a dev on the m:robe port
14:55:10jhMikeSthen JdGordon's boot from microSD won't work
14:55:23barrywardellalthough someone else will have to test since I'm not experiencing any problems
14:55:30preglowdo we want to boot from microsd? :P
14:55:31barrywardellwhy boot from microSD?
14:55:59jhMikeSask JdGordon. :)
14:56:25jhMikeSI'd say stability trumps that one
14:56:55linuxstbbarrywardell: I'm sure if you post a bootloader binary in the forum thread about it, people will test.
14:57:07markuneigma: yes, but I don't know what I wanted to ask :)
14:57:22linuxstb(or probably better, a Windows sansapatcher binary with it embedded)
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16:07:50jac0bhas anyone got cygwin working on vista?
16:08:34GodEater_is there some aspect of it that you'd expect not to work on vista ?
16:09:36jac0bwell I can't get tex to install and everything changes to read-only
16:09:53jac0bgodeater_: are you using vista?
16:10:57GodEater_jac0b: nope
16:11:02GodEater_not even using window
16:11:16B4gderconsole only? ;-P
16:11:18GodEater_AFAIK there are very few vista users here
16:11:35GodEater_B4gder: teletype and punched cards actually ;)
16:11:37sgsaxas it should be
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16:12:03bluebrothernot using magnets to swap bits? ;-)
16:12:14jac0bgodeater_: using ubuntu huh?
16:12:37GodEater_jac0b: hell no
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16:12:55*bluebrother doesn't understand that ubuntu hype
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16:13:04GodEater_nor me - I can't stand it
16:13:23bluebrotherespecially that dash issue really turned me off.
16:13:50*linuxstb hugs Mr D. E. Bian
16:14:03Zagorubuntu is the new gentoo. however of those two I must say I prefer ubuntu
16:14:24GodEater_nothing wrong with the little penguin
16:14:37bluebrotherthe new gentoo? What did the gentoo guys change to make it even comparable to ubuntu?
16:14:54Zagorbluebrother: i meant the hype
16:15:02*GodEater_ got that =/
16:15:19sgsaxI dunno, I think ubuntu is a great desktop distro
16:15:23bluebrotherah, ok. But the ubuntu hype is much ... user-centric.
16:15:24Zagora while back all the kids wanted gentoo. now ubuntu is getting similar attention.
16:15:36B4gderI just want cake
16:15:44GodEater_ubuntu is sucking up the idiots that cant' install anything else
16:15:52*GodEater_ would like cake too
16:15:58bluebrotherwindows users start to want ubuntu too ... that's a big difference. No windows kid wanted gentoo
16:15:59sgsaxsheep go to heaven
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16:16:04*linuxstb goes to the kitchen and gets cake
16:16:12*bluebrother grabs a cookie
16:16:19*GodEater_ wishes he was near a kitchen with cake in
16:16:22Zagorbluebrother: true. vista is the best thing to happen to linux update :)
16:16:38B4gderupcake? ;-)
16:16:45sgsaxnote to MS: keep giving us crappier versions of windows
16:16:46*B4gder runs
16:16:47bluebrotherupcookie? ;-)
16:16:50GodEater_is that like upsidedown cake only smaller ?
16:17:04peturcoming from windows, ubuntu is _just_ usable... we windows users were glad to leave cli behind us years ago :p
16:17:22GodEater_point-n-click pansies :)
16:17:26peturlinux has _a_lot_ to learn about userfriendlyness
16:17:33bluebrothercoming from linux, cmd.exe is really an offence
16:17:33sgsaxubuntu isn't perfect, but they have made somethings easier
16:17:49GodEater_isn't monad the thing to use now ?
16:17:52peturbluebrother: that's because it's a thing from the past
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16:18:05bluebrother"Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with."
16:18:12GodEater_petur: indeed, so why did MS re-invent it in Monad then ?
16:18:27*Zagor spent 36 hours installing windows xp the other day
16:18:33*GodEater_ feels for Zagor
16:18:35Zagordays even :)
16:18:36peturbluebrother: just like calling any filemanager like that when you know windows explorer
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16:19:05bluebrotherhehe ... I prefer konqueror way over windows explorer :)
16:19:15Zagorgotta love it when a newly installed system bluescreens before it even shows you the logo
16:19:37peturlove konquerer and laugh at windows crashing... hahahaha
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16:19:55jac0boh linux can crash too
16:20:00peturevery time I tried konquerer it crashed within 10 minutes - crap
16:20:04jac0bdone it before
16:20:23*bluebrother guesses petur used the "wrong" distro
16:20:39amiconnZagor: Uh?
16:20:50peturlinux fans are keen to blame any linux issue on the user
16:21:03Zagorhow sure are we about the S6B33B2 in the c200? I can't get the contrast working.
16:21:21amiconnI am 99.8% sure
16:21:29bluebrotherpetur: sure ... who else is available to get blamed? ;-)
16:21:32amiconnThe init sequence is a perfect match
16:21:55Zagoramiconn: yeah, but there are a lot of S6B3xBx variants...
16:22:07amiconnHow are you trying to set contrast?
16:22:48amiconnYou need to send R_CONTRAST_CONTROL1, followed by the contrast value. Both must be sent using lcd_send_command()
16:23:00Zagornothing strange
16:23:21amiconnThe init sequence does set the contrast this way
16:23:27ZagorI know
16:25:04bluebrotherpetur: I've seen linux distros that are completely broken IMO. So picking a broken distro isn't exactly like blaming the user, as finding out if something is broken usually doesn't work from looking at the CDs.
16:25:27GodEater_bluebrother: yeah, that's pretty tough to do ;)
16:26:03*bluebrother had _really_ bad experiences with SuSE which is rather popular in germany
16:26:20GodEater_though I personally prefer nautilus to konqueror - but it's all about the choice
16:26:48*GodEater_ never liked SuSE much either
16:26:48peturbluebrother: I've been looking at linux for years, trying it from time to time. Ubuntu Feisty was finally close enough to make the step. So I have seen it crash a lot with different distros
16:27:09sgsaxbluebrother: I dunno, suse was my favorite desktop distro until ubuntu came along
16:27:14amiconnZagor: What values are you setting? According to the datasheet, the contrast only actually changes every 8 steps iiuc
16:27:34sgsaxthen novell had to go and illegitimize suse
16:27:52*petur stops the OT talk and gets back to work
16:28:34Zagoramiconn: yeah I know. I tried various, including 0x20 and 0x80
16:28:35*GodEater_ wishes there was "screen" for windows
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16:30:08ZagorI find it a bit odd that LCD_CMD is unsigned long, when the controllers' data register is 16 bits wide
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16:30:39Zagorstill, it works in the init
16:31:38Zagorand flip works too, which does exactly the same sequence off-init.
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16:32:40Zagorthat's why I thought I'd ask where we got the model number from. is it best match or has someone seen it printed somewhere on the display?
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16:35:51sinihey guys, i didn't know where else to turn to −− my ipod wont turn on :-(
16:36:06bluebrotherreset the Ipod.
16:36:30bluebrotherand make sure if it is charged −− if it isn't charge it for a looong time (a day or so, preferrably with a wall charger)
16:36:31siniany way in particular? It won't power up and just gives a blank lcd :D
16:36:44sinithat long?
16:36:44amiconnZagor: Best match from the init, and verified by the flip
16:36:53siniI had it charging for the last hour w/ a wall charger
16:37:04amiconnMaybe contrast doesn't work live. Did you try setting different contrast in the init?
16:37:27bluebrotheran hour isn't enough if the battery is really flat. Plus, you might need to perform a manual reset for the Ipod to come up too.
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16:37:34Zagoramiconn: good point. testing.
16:37:54GodEater_sini: a deep discharge of the battery normally means you need to charge (from a wall charger) for a couple of DAYS to get it back
16:38:17sinibluebrother: I dont know if it's working, i'm used to it giving me a little energy bolt when I plug it in, but it's still a blank screen.. is this normal?
16:38:35bluebrotherif the battery is completely flat, yes.
16:38:45sinialright thanks
16:39:00siniit was kinda sitting in a box for a month or two >.>
16:39:32bluebrotherI once had a really flat battery. It charged for some hours until the LCD showed anything.
16:39:52sinican anyone reccomend a good ipod -> fm transmitter for use with rockbox? :D
16:40:06bluebrothercheck the IpodAccessories wiki page.
16:40:38vaspis it possible that rockbox damaged the old ipod-software? cant seem to boot into the ipod OS again after uninstalling rockbox
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16:40:57linuxstbvasp: It depends how you uninstalled it, but yes, anything is possible...
16:41:40vasplinuxstb, used the ipodpatcher in linux
16:42:29linuxstbvasp: You can just download and restore the apple firmware using these instructions -
16:43:09linuxstbvasp: What exactly happens when you try to boot?
16:44:08vaspthe apple-logo flashes on and off and the hard drive just spins like crazy
16:44:26Zagoramiconn: tried 0x80 in the init, didn't work. more testing tonight/tomorrow.
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16:44:45linuxstbvasp: I would first try steps 2-4 (restoring the firmware partition).
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16:45:51vaspokey, I'll give it a try :)
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16:47:28ThUnD3r|Gr33nis there andybody out there ?
16:48:23*linuxstb spots 140 people and a bot
16:48:49ThUnD3r|Gr33nich brach mal hilfe .. i need some help
16:49:02B4gderallow me to guess on an answer!
16:49:10B4gderthe answer is... update your bootloader
16:49:20GodEater_no no no - unzip to root
16:49:22B4gdernow, please state a question
16:49:24vasplinuxstb, "the first partition on your ipod", is that the small one?
16:49:33GodEater_vasp: yes
16:49:56ThUnD3r|Gr33ndoes anyone know how to "install" wiki on rockbox?
16:50:44scorche|workThUnD3r|Gr33n: are you referring to something like a wikipedia viewer?
16:51:40ThUnD3r|Gr33ni downloaded the german wikipedia file .. its a 7z file .. i dont know what to do with this file
16:51:51bluebrotherunzip it?
16:51:57ThUnD3r|Gr33nnot able
16:52:03B4gderwhy did you download it then in the first place?
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16:52:08bluebrotheruse a proper unzip tool:
16:52:08linuxstbThUnD3r|Gr33n: Where did you download it from?
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16:52:22ThUnD3r|Gr33no .. i don't know where :P
16:52:32ThUnD3r|Gr33ni have winrar 4 unzippuing
16:52:37linuxstbbluebrother: Don't you mean use a 7zip tool?
16:52:40ThUnD3r|Gr33ni found it on a forum
16:52:49bluebrotherlinuxstb: yep ;-)
16:53:08ThUnD3r|Gr33ndo u mean i should try to unzuip it with sevenzip?
16:53:16bluebrotherIOW, use a zip tool that can handle 7z archives.
16:53:45linuxstbThUnD3r|Gr33n: Then the forum should give instructions on how to use it - there is no wikipedia viewer in Rockbox, so you probably need some kind of unofficial version of Rockbox to use it. We can't help you with that.
16:53:45B4gder... as any search on any search engine could tell in 2.3 seconds
16:53:58ThUnD3r|Gr33noke.. i try .. but .. i dont know how to copy this on my sansa .. and i dont know how to "install it on my mp3 player
16:54:22*bluebrother takes this out of the channel
16:54:23vaspis force-feeding the ipod the .ipsw file the same as updating it? (since there is no tool for it in linux)
16:54:55ThUnD3r|Gr33nno .. is not an wikipedia software .. its a file .. but i dont know ... i try to unpack it with sevebzip right now
16:55:08bluebrothervasp: .ipdw is a zip file. Extract it first ...
16:55:15bluebrotherThUnD3r|Gr33n: seen my pm?
16:55:50ThUnD3r|Gr33nso: in the file there are two files . *.dict and
16:55:51bluebrotherI send you a private message.
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16:56:07ThUnD3r|Gr33nsorry PM blocked
16:56:12vaspbluebrother, yeah I've fixed it all now. Just wondering if the .ipdw is updated, so I can use it to update my ipod when needed
16:56:37ThUnD3r|Gr33n/!\ bluebrother /!\
16:57:05ThUnD3r|Gr33ndewiki.dict and dewiki.idx
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16:57:12ThUnD3r|Gr33nthese are the files now i can see ;)
16:57:21ThUnD3r|Gr33nwhat do i have to do with this files ??
16:57:41ThUnD3r|Gr33ncopy to rockbox filesystem or what should i do :P
16:57:43bluebrotherwell, as this is OT we should really discuss this in a PM.
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17:01:21B4gdera firmware update to the iPhone due to be released later this week "will likely result" in SIM-unlocked iPhones turning into very expensive brick"
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17:01:45scorche|workB4gder: isnt being very nice recently
17:01:50linuxstbB4gder: Best not to update then...
17:01:55sgsaxthink that was announced last night
17:02:10sgsaxor at least wait until somebody hacks the patch
17:02:31linuxstbIs the iphone worth all this hassle?
17:02:36B4gderI doubt it
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17:03:04B4gdertime to run
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17:03:29scorche|worklinuxstb: well, the one thing where i have to give it credit compared to the competition, is the web browser...but this is getting close to -community...
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17:13:09JdGordonjhMikeS: no, i definatly was running a bootloader which could boot from microsd
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17:16:13teepsso, quick question
17:16:36teepsim trying to install rockbox using the utility and its telling me 'no ipods found'
17:16:51teepsim thinking i need to install itunes?
17:16:53bluebrotherare you running it as root / administrator?
17:17:07teepshmm nope hang on
17:17:09linuxstbteeps: No, you definitely don't need to install itunes.
17:17:22bluebrotherand have you closed Itunes, enabled the "disc access" thingy in Itunes and killed ipodservice.exe?
17:17:30teepsok runnning as administrator doesnt work still
17:17:37teepsi definately dont have itunes installed right now
17:18:16linuxstbteeps: Which ipod is it?
17:18:23bluebrotherdoes your Ipod appear as drive?
17:18:50teeps4th gen colour
17:18:51teepsyes it does
17:19:45scorche|workthis debate over the apple/voiding iphone warranties i seeming to
17:20:05scorche|work*is seeming to out a lot of stuff that can show they cant void for rockbox too
17:20:35linuxstbteeps: Which version of Windows are you running?
17:21:15bluebrothermight be this UAC thingy
17:21:23linuxstbThat could be the issue - do you have UAC enabled? Rockbox Utility requires low-level hardware access which UAC may be blocking.
17:21:33teepsuac is disabled
17:21:48linuxstbYou could try ipodpatcher, see if that works...
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17:22:24teepswhere can i grab that
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17:23:14linuxstbSee the links in the install section in the manual.
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17:23:33teepsok cheers
17:23:40teepsim gonna try restarting my comp as well
17:23:43teepsbe back in a bit
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17:33:18teepsok im totally back
17:33:32GodEater_not just partially. Oh good.
17:33:45teepsok so it turns out
17:33:49teepsi can install rockbox
17:33:53teepsbut not the bootloader
17:34:12GodEater_it's not much use without the bootloader
17:34:24teepsmy thoughts exactly
17:34:31teepsis there a way i can manually install the bootloader
17:34:41GodEater_did you try ipodpatcher yet ?
17:34:59teepsnot yet no
17:35:03teepsill give that a whirl now
17:35:20bluebrotheripodpatcher is the manual way of installing the bootloader ;-)
17:35:35teepsoh sweet
17:35:39linuxstbbluebrother: I could offer more manual ways if you want...
17:36:08bluebrotherhehe ;-)
17:36:11*linuxstb tries to remember ipod_fw and dd
17:36:28bluebrotherlike the old ipod_fw thingy we had previously?
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17:36:43bluebrotherlinuxstb: just check the old manual version from svn ;-)
17:36:53linuxstbbluebrother: I would rather not...
17:36:55teepsok so
17:37:01teepsipod patcher totally worked sweet
17:37:03teepslooking good
17:37:05teepsthanks a lot fellas
17:37:31linuxstbThat's very odd - Rockbox Utility should be using identical code to ipodpatcher...
17:37:33GodEater_valley girl english from a .au resident.
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17:38:02bluebrotherI guess it's related to the fact that rbutil is a GUI application
17:39:12bluebrothercould be related to the manifest thingy used in ipodpatcher
17:39:21linuxstbThat's not used in the current binaries
17:39:32linuxstb(it was committed after the last release)
17:39:41bluebrotherright, the update was only for sansapatcher ...
17:40:00linuxstbWhich I guess should also use the manifest thingy...
17:40:25tictocis that sansa usb connect bug fixed?
17:40:40linuxstbWhat sansa usb connect bug?
17:40:46bluebrotherwhat connect bug? Rockbox doesn't has usb on the sansa at all
17:41:05GodEater_would be tricky to have a bug with something which doesnt' exist
17:41:37tictocwhen you connect the usb cable it boots the original firmware before rockbox
17:41:57tictocthats the 'bug' i guess
17:42:17bluebrotherthen it's a lacking feature rather than a bug.
17:42:19linuxstbYou mean the fact that Rockbox doesn't have its own USB transfer mode?
17:42:58linuxstbIf your question is "Does Rockbox have its own USB mode on the Sansa?", the answer is "No.'.
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17:43:25tictocthat's my question.
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17:44:08bluebrotherasking about something as a bug but meaning a feature isn't quite a good way to get a good answer ...
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17:55:25ralfonsomy install is scanning the disk a LOT to find the next track metadata. am I missing a setting somewhere?
17:57:39bluebrotherralfonso: sure it's not buffering?
17:58:23ralfonsono, it was scanning the disk for the duration of the song and still not finding the metadata. fixed with reboot though.
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17:58:50bluebrotherhave you tried with a current build?
17:59:10ralfonsoyes. it's working fine now after reboot.
18:00:37tictoci wasnt terribly sure it wasnt a bug after all
18:04:14preglowlinuxstb: did you check out the hw eq removal patch?
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18:48:49|Rain|Are there any known issues with the bootloader and gcc 4.2.1 (on arm, the sansa e200 port)? I know it's newer than the version used for the 'official' builds, but I haven't had major problems with rockbox (the application-y bits) compiled with it; however, I compiled a new bootloader, and it claims it can't find rockbox.mi4 (file not found), though it's clearly there in /.rockbox if I boot the stock fw
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19:15:06nls_|Rain|: I doubt that anyone has installed it but yes a different compiler could cause all sorts of strange behaviour
19:20:00|Rain|most of the reason I ask is because I'm wondering whether I should start debugging on the premise it's a gcc bug or the premise that it's a rockbox bug (or whether I should toss gcc 4.2 for now and compile 4.1)
19:20:56nls_|Rain|: you could download the official bootloader and see if that works...
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19:21:38|Rain|it was working before I tried installing the version I compiled
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19:29:32nls_|Rain|: well, then it seems like either a compiler quirk or a rockbox quirk that happen to work with the earlier compiler...
19:33:48|Rain|right. I was just hoping someone else already had similar experiences to save me some time :P
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19:49:41Hukt0nWaxwhat vid formats are supported on an ipod?
19:50:24scorche|workunder rockbox, at least
19:50:40fxb for apple firmware.
19:50:42Hukt0nWaxsome dude at radio shack told me about this place the other day :D
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19:54:52Hukt0nWaxcool thanks
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20:07:36XavierGrGodEater: thanks for the comment on monad (powershell) wonderfull shell for windows
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20:12:11jepleris anything known about the bottom connector on the sansa e200-series? There sure are a lot more pins than required for USB...
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20:17:55amiconnyay, back via new router :)
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20:19:36jepler Web Search
20:19:36jeplerSearch: video
20:19:47jepleroops .. sorry .. and thanks desowin
20:22:43xoringBagder: on the forum you said "1. Get SVN sources for 2007-07-31 2. Apply the R model bootloader keys ... from a recent source" but the SVN sources from that date already contain the same Rhapsody key in bootloader/main-pp.c as the current bootloader/main-pp.c in trunk/
20:24:17xoringI'm trying the 2007-07-31 sources now (or actually, setting up the build env now)... should I be using older sources?
20:24:51siniokay, so my ipod completely died −− i tried to plug it into my powerbook earlier, and it showed the charging thing at nearly empty −− it died, and never mounted. I got my wall charger, and plugged the usb cable into it and it's been charging for 5 hours now
20:24:59siniIt still wont turn on
20:25:06siniWhat do I do?
20:25:22scorche|worklet it sit on the wall charger for a much longer time
20:25:47nls_amiconn: I got no buffer misses with that test midi file so I increased MAX_VOICES 20 -> 24, got a few buffer misses, enabled -O2 and it plays fine again :-)
20:25:53scorche|workor i can buy a "dead device" off you for $10 =)
20:25:54sinithat's kinda ridiculous, really? any idea why it does this?
20:26:07amiconnnls_: eh? Very odd...
20:26:27amiconnDid you try with the remote plugged?
20:26:59xoringsini: how old is the battery? maybe it's not holding a charge anymore
20:27:20nls_amiconn: I don't have an lcd remote and I think I lost my non-lcd remote, but I could look for it if it would make a difference
20:27:27sinixoring I don't know −− I got it a week before the ipod video launched, but I've probably only used it about 30 times
20:27:46amiconnnls_: The lcd remote makes a big difference in what midis trigger buffer misses
20:27:56scorche|workxoring: is just something the ipods do...
20:28:08amiconnI only have an lcd remote, no simple remote
20:28:48siniis there any way I can get it to boot so I can continue charging it by USB?
20:28:49nls_amiconn: then could you try building the plugin with -O2 it should help quite a bit
20:29:44nls_sini: after it has charged enough you will have to hard reset it with Menu+Select and it should start
20:30:30sinithat worked nls
20:30:38sinii thought it was menu play for some reason
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20:32:03nls_also any pp based player users want to try different -O levels with midiplay?
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20:35:15nls_wow gcc produced smaller code for the mpidi plugin with -O2 I have never seen that before...
20:35:19Hukt0nWaxis there a reason why the playback plays the same track twice instead of going to the next track on the list?
20:35:28amiconnPP has even more problems iirc (tried it once on mini g2)
20:37:29xoringdoes the '../tools/configure && make' routine build the bootloader as well?
20:37:58nls_Well it would be nice if anyone could try it out on pp, -O2 definitely makes it faster on coldfire
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20:38:24scorche|workxoring: if you specify that in the configure option
20:41:24xoringscorche|work: what is the correct option for the configure script?
20:43:26xoringoh, nevermind, I see it
20:43:48amiconntsss tsss
20:44:02*amiconn was just reading the latest GoldenQuotes addition...
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20:44:59amiconnnls_: I'll try it soon, also on PP5002
20:45:00nls_heh, yeah tha's a good one :-) I guess we should do all the extra work...
20:45:19nls_amiconn: nice :-)
20:46:26jepleris there a key to the symbols shown at the top of the display in the latest builds for e200? I looked through the manuals I could find but this didn't seem to be mentioned. Does the last icon indicate "disk activity"?
20:46:34jepler(it's like a circle divided into quadrants)
20:46:46nls_yes it does
20:52:23jeplerI am not entirely sure what steps I'm supposed to take after adding/removing music, but after filling the flash almost completely I ran Database > Initialize Now. The icon in the corner was on for over an hour, and most functions were slow to respond - playback skilled frequently. I mounted it again, removed the .tcd files and the doom .pak files to clear some space, and the next Database > Initialize Now finished fairly quickly (the activity light
20:52:45jeplerI'm tempted to conclude that it wasn't dealing gracefully with the disk being full, but I am not sure whether this is the right conclusion to draw...
20:52:55jeplerer, "playback skipped frequently"
20:53:44nls_if your disk was really _full_ as in not even a few megs left it might be a problem but no that doesn't sound right
20:54:17jepler*after* removing the files I mentioned,
20:54:19jeplerFilesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
20:54:19jepler/dev/sda1 5857812 5852880 4932 100% /media/sda1
20:54:22jeplerabout 5 megs free
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20:56:07nls_jepler: but the database works fine now?
20:57:08jeplernls_: yes, after those steps I outlined above my database is working
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20:58:04jeplerafter copying new music onto the device, what are the steps I should take to make it show up in the database?
20:58:32nls_so it could have been an error becuse the disk was full... I think the database files take up a few megs but dunno about temp files and what it does when the disk is ful...
20:59:06nls_jepler: either you have auto update enabled and do nothing or you update the database, also you read the manual ;-)
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21:01:01jeplernls_: indeed, I'm sure reading them more would help
21:01:56nls_Slasheri: do you know what the database code does if the disk is full when initializing?
21:03:17soundoutlightim a bit of a newby with there a decent web resource for questions?? everything i find is kind of vague..having problems getting themes to work corectly (no graphics display on the "now playing" screen. only get the theme backdrop and generic volume meters, time counters
21:03:45nls_soundoutlight: the page might be interesting
21:04:20nls_but your issue is probably from using a theme that requires an unofficial build with an official build or an old outdated broken theme
21:04:25soundoutlightnls_, yes i figured that much. im having a hard time nailing down an answer to that question..searched the forums, etc
21:04:54nls_so check wherever you downloaded the theme if it says that it requires build x or patch z
21:05:41soundoutlightnls_, thanks..also, when downloading a patch file, where do i install it on my ipod? and is there anything else i need to do in order for the patch to work?
21:06:10nls_you don't install it, you download the source, apply the patch to it and compile
21:06:44soundoutlightnls_, i dont follow..
21:06:51Hukt0nWaxim so confused on this video encoding
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21:07:23Hukt0nWaxdoes this support just str8 mpeg, mpg, or avi?
21:07:39nls_mpeg1 and 2
21:07:40Hukt0nWaxor do i have to re-encode everything to load vids?
21:07:51Hukt0nWaxtorrents here i come :D
21:07:56nls_avi is not a video codec and mpg==mpeg
21:08:26markunnls_: which can also also be a name for a container :)
21:08:28Hukt0nWaxlame most of my movies are already encoded as .avi
21:08:32***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
21:08:45markunagain: avi is not a codec
21:09:01nls_markun: yes of course ;-)
21:09:38markunHukt0nWax: but I guess most are some form of mpeg4, right? (xvid, divx5)
21:10:14kugelso can I use mpg2 vids in a avi container?
21:10:25Hukt0nWaxis there a way to load a different vid prog on the ipod seperately since in a way it is an "os" perhaps?
21:10:53nls_kugel: sure, but not in rockbox :-)
21:11:00hcsHukt0nWax: sure, the mpeg player itself is a plugin
21:11:24nls_Hukt0nWax: you just have to create one
21:11:37hcswell, yes, there's the rub
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21:23:34Slasherinls_: no idea, it probably fails with a write failure and aborts
21:24:48nls_hmm, maybe a nice message could be added so that users know what's going on...
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21:26:50fm2linuxstb: ping
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21:27:19Eviljudistahi all
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21:27:34Eviljudistapls can u help me?
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21:27:48*nls_ polishes crystal ball
21:28:05pixelmamaybe, maybe not... depends on the question/problem...
21:28:55Eviljudistai only want to ask, will be there any release or completly new program, that will work on iPOD Classic, G6?
21:29:13ZagorEviljudista: not likely
21:29:57Eviljudistaand dont u know about some emulator, what will work on G6?
21:30:28Zagorapple has made a very determined effort to prevent _any_ non-apple firmware to run on their new ipods
21:32:05fm2I have a question about the gcc options. I'd like to preserve the preprocessed files. Specifically, those in apps dir. I appended -save-temps to CFLAGS that is in apps/Makefile but see no .i files after build. An example of gcc call is at What am I doing wrong?
21:32:33Zagorfm2: still looking for pp magic? :)
21:32:43fm2Zagor: yes :-)
21:32:59fm2Zagor: sometimes magic is the best way!
21:33:57fm2On the internet, I've found an example where -save-temps is *after* -c. But -c seems to be included somewhere else, i.e. not by the Makefile I modified.
21:34:20fm2E.g. here:
21:34:57LqR_I've got two questions about the Sansa e200 port: 1) is it possible to reboot it in the original firmware and 2) why doesn't it show up as a storage device when I insert the USB plug with rockbox booted?
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21:36:29fm2LqR_: re 2) USB isn't yet implemented in RB, so it's the expected behaviour
21:37:09ZagorLqR_: simply boot it with usb connected, that will load OF and enter usb mode
21:37:18fm2LqR_: re 1) yes. Hold the right button while turning the dap on
21:39:37nls_fm2: I get a lot of .s files when using -save-temps but no .i files
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21:40:36fm2nls_: where are they? In build/apps, I only have .o and nothing else. No .i, no .s
21:40:57LqR_Zagor: I figured that
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21:41:14Zagorfm2: add -save-temps to GCCOPTS in your Makefile (where you ran configure)
21:41:23nls_fm2: I added the switch to the genereated Makefile in my build dir and got the .s files where the source files are
21:41:23Zagorno need to change each Makefile
21:41:31fm2nls_: how did you do that? What is the command in the end (call it with make V=1)
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21:42:05Zagorfm2: i get for example firmware/lcd-c200.i and firmware/lcd-c200.s
21:42:07nls_fm2: add it to the end of the line that begins with "export GCCOPTS"
21:42:31Zagorso they are not always written in the same dir as the .c or .o files
21:42:31fm2Zagor: that would have effect an all files, right? Even codecs, plugins etc? I'm only interested in those in apps, so apps/Makefile would be the best place... if it would only work!
21:43:05Zagorfm2: build everyting without the flag, then add the flag and remove the .o files you want pp output for, and run make again
21:43:10preglowLear: what's this patch i hear about?
21:44:22Learpreglow: You mean this one:;filename=gcc-3.4.6-rockbox-2.diff
21:45:01LearA little better code for m68k.
21:45:12fm2Zagor, nls_: are the .i and .s files in build/apps? I.e. the same dir as .o?
21:45:26preglowLear: any reason we don't use it?
21:45:30Zagorfm2: not necessarily. you'd better just search for them...
21:46:01Learpreglow: "we" refers to...?
21:46:12amiconnZagor: Btw, is there a reason why the tempfiles end up in the source tree instead of the build (sub-)dir ?
21:47:12fm2Zagor: but somewhere under build?
21:47:34Zagoramiconn: no, it's just not fixed because we normally don't keep tempfiles I guess
21:47:36nls_fm2: mine turned up in the source tree
21:47:46fm2amiconn: ah, they are in the source tree! That I hadn't expect! Now I see them!
21:49:44preglowLear: official builds
21:50:17*amiconn prepares test
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21:51:01fm2I'd rather put them under build dir. Now just to find the right option out of the thousand...
21:51:03Learpreglow: Don't know. I put it on the CrossCompiler page so it could be used...
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21:51:46amiconnfm2: I think that gcc puts the tempfiles into the current dir.
21:52:31amiconnSo changing the behaviour in the rockbox build system means that 'make' would need to traverse the build tree instead of the source tree, and hence reference the source using path
21:52:46amiconnNot sure how much work that would be, but it's certainly not trivial
21:53:32fm2amiconn: current as for the caller?
21:53:53preglowLear: what code changes does it result in?
21:55:46Learpreglow: Main change is in array indexing. Rather than shifts and adds, a multiply is used. Reduces bin size noticeably.
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21:57:56ZagorLear: add it to tools/
21:58:41Zagorpossibly merging with the x86_64 patch first
21:58:42amiconnnls_: There's something really fishy regarding the remote and midiplay
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21:59:21amiconnI get no buffer miss on H1x0 if the remote is absent, or if the remote is already plugged when starting the plugin
21:59:36Drag0niris anyone knowing if there is a special Iriver H10 room?
21:59:43amiconnBut if I plug the remote while midi is already playing, I get ~1 buffer miss per second
22:00:01amiconnAlso, the remote backlight doesn't turn off until I stop the midi
22:00:12amiconnI guess that midiplay doesn't yield properly
22:00:22ZagorDrag0nir: I doubt it
22:00:55preglowLear: performance is affected any ways?=
22:01:14nls_amiconn: it does a pretty strange thing in the sim too, doesn't print any text at all until it is exited then it prints everything to the console but no lcd updates whtsoever
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22:01:53amiconnOddly enough, this does *not* happen on H300 ?!?!
22:01:56Learpreglow: Haven't measured anything, but by instruction timing it ought to be same or possibly a little faster.
22:02:24przemhbhow would you suggest checking which port and pins are assigned to SDA SCL for FM radio on H10?
22:02:31amiconnBtw, all these tests are "baseline", i.e. plain svn
22:03:12amiconnMini G2 fires dozens of buffer misses per second
22:03:34amiconnIt's plain unusable
22:04:09LearZagor: There's another m68k patch too...
22:04:25Zagoryes, for mac and cygwin
22:05:33peturfm2: now what was your problem with cygwin and tortoisesvn? I just ran genlang without problems
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22:06:00amiconnSame on 2nd gen, even worse
22:06:01nls_amiconn: I don't understand why the remote should affect it so much anyway
22:06:43fm2He-he! I now see that the menu macros (in menu.c) all have an extra semicolon at the end that shouldn't be there. Since when the macros are used, a ; is put at the end once again!
22:07:01peturfm2: now what was your problem with cygwin and tortoisesvn? I just ran genlang without problems
22:07:24*petur excuses for the echo ;)
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22:08:02fm2petur: it's weird. I installed cygwin with DOS lineendings. ls > xxx.out produces DOS lfs, but make produces UNIX LFs.
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22:09:27fm2Actually, not make but the result of make | tee contains UNIX LFs
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22:09:35nls_amiconn: -O2 makes the plugin smaller for arm too, so it could help a bit
22:09:52nls_with the pp being sensitive to code size
22:10:26peturfm2: let me try... what exactly are you entering on the commandline?
22:10:30fm2amiconn: a question to you as a purist: shouldn't the semicolons at the end of menu macros be removed? Now they produce something like static int x=5;; (note the two ;;)
22:10:37amiconnnls_: Why are we building with -Os for coldfire??
22:10:58fm2petur: test1: ls > ls_out.txt
22:11:17amiconn...and just -O for PP ...
22:11:24fm2petur: test2: make V=1 | tee make_out.txt
22:11:25nls_amiconn: because it uses the same O as the main build because we don't set it in the plugin makefile yet
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22:11:46amiconnI am talking about the main build...
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22:12:01peturfm2: "ls > ls_out.txt" gives a file with dos line-endings
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22:12:54nls_amiconn: well, for coldfire in the places I have seen it makes code slightly faster and smaller too, arm could probably benefit more but I don't have an arm target
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22:13:40nls_granted that benchmarking anything but codecs in rockbox is not a very exact science...
22:13:44amiconnThe effect of plugging the remote while playing midi on H1x0 doesn't change
22:14:04amiconnBtw, the backlight does switch off, but later than it should
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22:14:46RaZorbacKhi, could someone explain me wy sometimes we have to use patch -0, -p1 or so on. for instance, only patch -p1 is working today why ?
22:14:55amiconnnls_: The plugin gets slightly larger with -O2 for coldfire
22:15:10amiconn13438->14134 bytes for H300
22:15:19RaZorbacKi'm patching from the root source
22:15:29peturfm2: the make_out.txt file is <LF> only (and my build failed)
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22:17:33nls_ah right I have lears patch in my gcc, Os produces 15074 and O2 14126 ....
22:17:39*fm2 is back
22:17:52fm2petur: yes, the output of make is LF only.
22:17:56amiconnThen that patch is fishy...
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22:18:54fm2petur: and my build failed too until I fixed the LFs in apps/features (changed then to UNIX)
22:19:30nls_amiconn: doh, I had some change in my main makefile which was changed to regular -O, sorry for the confusion :-/
22:19:54amiconn-O2 makes things *a lot* worse for PP502x
22:20:15peturfm2: last time I build under windows it worked, so what changed that it doesn't now?
22:20:55jeplerRaZorbacK: The number in -p1 means "how many directories to strip from the filenames shown in the patch file"; the correct value depends on the way the diff was made.
22:21:56jeplerFor example, if you have project/src/main.c and the patch says src/main, you would use "-p0" from inside the project/ directory. If it says mumble/src/main, you would use "p1" from inside the project/ directory
22:22:04fm2petur: the problem for me was that the (automatically generated) file build/apps/features had DOS lfs. A shell script couldn't eat that. I changed the lfs to UNIX and all wentthrough. Other files (.c, Makefile etc) have DOS lfs
22:22:27RaZorbacKjepler: but is the result the same or some strings are skipped? there're no errors but is there a way to verify the diff has been applied successfully ?
22:22:51fm2petur: I don't know what changed. You know, sometimes it just happens... noone knows :-)
22:22:52amiconnnls_: With -O2 on PP502x, it throws so many buffer misses that playback is only around half realtime, and there's more static than music
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22:23:30peturfm2: strange, features.txt as unix line-endings here
22:23:30amiconnSame as with svn, only that with svn playback speed is a bit higher (but not realtime either)
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22:23:44amiconnSo, midiplay is unusable on anything PP
22:23:48jeplerRaZorbacK: If you use the wrong -p argument, the target file won't be found and patch will give you an error. It is fairly unlikely that a patch would succeed when applied from the wrong location or with a wrong -p argument.
22:23:52nls_amiconn: hmm, that's bad, does -Os make it better?
22:24:17jeplersomething like "can't find file to patch at input line 3" "Perhaps you used the wrong -p or −−strip option?"
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22:25:07RaZorbacKyes but when i have this warning , the patching process seems to be stopped, it is waiting for a file to patch
22:25:08nls_amiconn: also does iram help pp anything as midiplay doesn't use it alot
22:25:34amiconniram helps on PP5002; on PP502x it's neglectible
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22:25:43RaZorbacK*but when i use the -p1 everything is ok, no errors . but in testing, i noticed some missing strings in my lang files
22:25:53amiconn(sometimes even makes the code a bit slower due to the necessary longcalls)
22:26:36jeplerRaZorbacK: I'm not familiar enough with rockbox development to speak to that
22:26:39amiconn-Os makes the plugin _larger_ than -O2
22:26:50RaZorbacKjepler: thanks anyway :)
22:26:55amiconnOn arm, that is, without any gcc patches
22:27:21amiconnumm, ignore me
22:27:41*amiconn confused the 1000s from the coldfire build with the arm build
22:28:15RaZorbacKis there a command to undo the last done operation? i don't mean svn revert -R .
22:28:21amiconnnls_: -Os is even worse...
22:28:51nls_amiconn: I guess we are out of luck then, only real optimizing left...
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22:29:23amiconnWell, from my experience those -O options never yield more than a few percent
22:29:33amiconnAnd it seems that we're quite far from realtime on PP
22:31:06nls_maybe we should use fewer voices for pp then...
22:31:43nls_ah, we use 44.1kHz for pp and 22kHz sample rate for coldfire, that probably makes a bit of difference
22:32:09amiconnI am somewhat puzzled by the vastly differing behaviour: e.g. midiplay and libmad are very efficient on coldfire, but struggle on arm (PP)
22:32:42amiconnWe can't use 22kHz on ipods, as the WM* codecs don't support that sampling rate
22:33:02amiconn(and we have no samplerate setup code in place for WM* codecs afaik)
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22:33:37nls_yes, I know but it probably makes it a fair bit slower
22:33:48amiconnAnd mpegplayer is the opposite - very efficient on arm, but struggles like hell on coldfire
22:36:34Zagordoes system_reboot() work on the ipods?
22:36:46Zagorspecifically nano g2
22:36:52preglownano g2???
22:37:01oboit works on the 5g
22:37:01Zagormini g2, sorry
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22:37:31Zagoris just hangs on my c200
22:37:48Zagorquite annoying
22:37:50oboI don't think it works on e200s either
22:38:18Zagoranyone with a mini g2 around?
22:38:38ZagorDeviceChart says it has the same chip as the c200
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22:39:11BagderZagor: that's not for sure though
22:39:16Bagderthe c200 isn't marked
22:39:21Bagderthe c200 one
22:40:18BagderI don't remember if they actually read out the same id from the magic PP regs
22:40:31Zagor"view hw info" says pp5022c
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22:43:33bluebrotherBagder: just noticed that eigma has still no realname in the 4weeks table
22:44:00Zagorright, we use different scripts for the frontpage stuff and the long lists
22:44:19amiconnZagor: system_reboot() works on all ipods
22:44:32amiconnAnd I can confirm that it works on mini g2
22:44:45Zagoramiconn: ok, thanks. I wonder what's stopping it on the sansas
22:44:54Bagderdoes the mini g2 say "PP5022c" ?
22:44:57amiconnWhat happens?
22:45:05amiconnBagder: No. PP5022B
22:45:06Zagoramiconn: it hangs
22:45:12Bagderaha, thanks
22:45:40amiconnThe newer ipods (video, nano) say PP5022C
22:45:42tumuhmm, any reason why gcc builtins are disabled in makefiles?
22:45:53amiconnBut those chips are labeled PP5021 - confusing, eh?
22:46:14amiconnMy guess is that the PP5021 is just a PP5022 that doesn't meet the full specs (i.e. 100MHz)
22:46:16Bagderbut the c200 PP _looks_ very much like the nano 1st gen
22:46:34tumuon normal builds, -ffreestanding disables them and on sim, -fno-builtin is used
22:47:21Zagortumu: because we want our own code
22:47:35tumuown code?
22:47:43amiconnZagor: I gues that the PP reset works, but the sansa probably need some other components reset as well
22:47:58tumuwhat code would that be? rockbox doesn't include much
22:48:06Zagoryes, our own memcpy etc instead of gcc builtins. unless I confuse your questions.
22:48:09Bagdertumu: we use freestanding because we don't have any libc nor libgcc
22:48:37tumuZagor, one could disable built-ins for those particular functions instead of everything
22:48:43Zagoramiconn: sounds plausible
22:48:52amiconnI think that will require diving into OF disaseemblies...
22:49:06Zagortumu: why?
22:49:10Bagdertumu: feel free to post patches that improve things, if that's what you're saying we can do
22:49:31tumuZagor, why? so i don't have to include duplicate sources for things available as built-ins?
22:49:43Bagderuh like what?
22:49:51tumulike some math functions
22:49:55Bagderwe don't want things pulled in
22:49:59preglowwhat math functions do you need?
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22:50:04preglowwe don't do floating point, so there aren't many
22:50:14Zagorthat's exactly why we don't want to use big libs.
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22:50:32nls_tumu: you can still use the builtins by calling them explicitly
22:50:42muesliiisorry for asking but was there a new bootloader for h3xx released in the last 6months?
22:50:44amiconntumu: "-ffreestanding: Assert that compilation takes place in a freestanding environment. This implies -fno-builtin. A freestanding environment is one in which the standard library may not exist, and program startup may not necessarily be at main. The most obvious example is an OS kernel. This is equivalent to -fno-hosted."
22:50:59amiconnAnd rockbox is an OS kernel...
22:51:05nls_muesliii: nope
22:51:40nls_tumu: see for example the EXPECT macro in apps/codecs/Tremor/misc.h
22:51:41tumunls, i could do that
22:51:52muesliiiis it possible to fully flash h300?
22:52:03tumunls, but i was just curious overall
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22:52:18tumuif it was some sort of mishap in the makefiles
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22:55:14Nico_Pmuesliii: no
22:55:29amiconnZagor: Why not c200,gigabeatf: "Button Light Timeout" ?
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22:56:15ZagorI simply didn't know the syntax
22:56:35pixelmaor c200,e200 in the last spot
22:56:56*pixelma can't read
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23:00:32mmicrosysHello all
23:00:42amiconnZagor: So the function was already prepared, just not enabled?
23:00:58Zagorbutton light? yes
23:01:04*amiconn thinks those button light functions are in need of a consistency renaming raid
23:01:31amiconnSome are called button_backlight_*, some others buttonlight_*
23:01:33mmicrosysI have quick question in regards to the maps file. Where does it go (Gigabeat)?
23:01:43low_lightZagor: where are you encountering a system_reboot?
23:01:46markunmmicrosys: the are only for debuggin
23:01:53markunyou don't need to put them anywhere
23:02:11Zagorlow_light: nowhere, but I want to add when you insert usb
23:02:35mmicrosysthat would explian why could not find any thing about it in the forum
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23:06:27Zagorpetur: when you have time, I'd be very grateful for a bit of guidance to the usbstack/ code.
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23:10:03peturZagor: sure, but I'm not really an expert on that code too... and yes, I still have to update that wiki page, but that will have to wait untill tomorrow (too much beer)
23:10:17Zagorok, np
23:10:39Nico_Ppetur: do you know if austriancoder is still working on it ?
23:10:49*amiconn wonders whether the usb stack can handle multivolume
23:10:54Zagorif you can just give me a hint how things are connected, that would help a lot
23:11:17amiconnThe Sansa OF does that (the sansa gets 2 drive letters in windows, one for builtin and one for microsd)
23:11:31|Rain|has anyone tried compiling the e200 bootloader recently? I think there's a bug in the ATA code (I'm still debugging it, but I need to run off for a bit)
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23:11:49|Rain|well, compiling and using −− it compiles fine, it just doesn't work (for me)
23:12:20peturNico_P: yes. But he had schoolwork coming up, and I asked him to put the stuff he had online (which he didn't)
23:12:38Bagder|Rain|: it doesn't work even to boot rockbox?
23:12:40Nico_Ppetur: ok
23:12:50*Nico_P has schoolwork too :\
23:12:51peturFrom what I understood, he has some read/write code - no idea if working already
23:13:30*Nico_P is proving the Zoutendijk theorem on numerical optimisation... awesome :p
23:13:50amiconnThe C200 keypad is weird...
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23:14:14amiconnIn fact it's somewhat similar to the Player keypad, when used according to the labels
23:14:15Bagder"I only proved it to work, I haven't tested it"
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23:14:39kkurbju1hey scorche, llorean, are you around?
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23:15:06|Rain|Bagder: actually, it doesn't work to boot rockbox but works fine for the stock FW (for me, it's reading the FAT BPB correctly the first time, but getting bogus data every time afterwards −− so it can't mount the fs to read rockbox.mi4
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23:15:21tumui wonder what i'm doing wrong as linking fails with the built-ins
23:15:44Zagortumu: what function are you using?
23:16:02Bagder|Rain|: and the latest "released" binary bootloader, does that work for you?
23:16:14*amiconn thinks that several built-ins are not really built in, and require libgcc
23:16:49tumuZagor, pow, exp, log and floor
23:17:15tumuamiconn, that could be the case
23:17:19amiconnThe crosscompilers provide libgcc - whether we want to use it is another thing
23:17:23|Rain|Bagder: yes
23:17:24amiconnI think we don't
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23:17:42|Rain|Bagder: I just downgraded to it again so I can use rockbox for my trip home :)
23:17:47Bagdertumu: what error do you get then? you do use -lm, right?
23:17:47amiconntumu: For rockbox, you should stay away from floating point functions anyway
23:18:03Bagder|Rain|: very annoying... :-/
23:18:03amiconnFrom floating point maths at all, that is
23:18:18|Rain|I'll continue debugging once I'm home
23:18:26tumuBagder, undefined reference
23:18:40Bagderfor the math functions?
23:18:45Bagderwith -lm ?
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23:19:06Bagderpow, exp, log and floor aren't built-ins, afaik
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23:19:08tumui believe i'm doing it the same way as Tremor
23:19:17low_lightZagor: I'm not sure what this code from the c200 bl does...perhaps reset:
23:19:31BagderTremor surely doesn't use those functions ;-)
23:19:37tumuit doesn't
23:20:27Zagorlow_light: worth testing, I guess
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23:21:50toffe82markun: what is this :Support for rockchip RKP games
23:22:35*amiconn always wonders about that kind of unoptimised arm code
23:23:50tumuBagder, well, adding -lm to linking doesn't help, can't find the lib
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23:24:06Bagderwell, without the math lib you can't use the math functions
23:24:42tumuhave to include them as seperate for now
23:25:06Bagderfloating point is a terrible idea anyway
23:25:16tumunot exactly thrilled to rewrite the particular code as integer based
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23:25:48low_lightZagor: it's interesting the the button backlight worked as is (I never tried)...there must be another register that inits the light, because those gpio bits are not used in the c200 bl (where it is turned on)
23:26:08Bagdertumu: what are you doing with these functions?
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23:26:17amiconnlow_light: Perhaps the hardware defaults to on?
23:26:31Zagoryeah the sansa init turns on the light
23:27:00Zagorthe button light is turned on before the display even
23:27:23amiconnYes, that's why I think the light is on when the gpio pin is uninitialised
23:27:34tumuBagder, dumb does filtering and click removal
23:28:03Bagderthen it should run fast...
23:28:09Zagorlow_light: no reset
23:29:11amiconnThe hardware defaulting to on isn't uncommon, the archos backlights (and recorder hdd power) behave the same
23:29:13low_lightwonder what it's for then, since it doesn't break that loop
23:29:45Zagorlow_light: maybe something else needs to be set first. a watchdog perhaps? (wild speculation mode)
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23:31:54tumuwell, atleast found the spot where sim linker needs codecs to be named as lib*.a, a patsubst is causing it
23:32:34tumusomeone didn't want to prefix with lib on CODECLIBS
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23:35:35RaZorbacKsory a bit offtopic but under windows, could you please advice me a text editor which handles utf8 properly, and which would be multi- document (multi tabbed)
23:36:10markunRaZorbacK: maybe one of these:
23:36:54RaZorbacKwow everything could be found on this wiki ! thanks
23:37:10scorche|worksounds like a job for Notepad++
23:37:58RaZorbacKsure there're many but they must be totally speech-friendly
23:39:21markunRaZorbacK: does your speech engine handle complicated unicode chars well?
23:40:27RaZorbacKmarkun: no, after having compiled a nice patched build and a nice voice file, I was disappointed because accentuated letters were awfully pronounced ...
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23:45:36lazkaRaZorbacK: you could give Geany a try... it's my favorite under linux and there seems to exist a windows version ->
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23:48:07pixelmaZagor: only the "menu" led still stays on but much better than full blue light all the time :)
23:48:21RaZorbacKLAZKA: thanks
23:48:57Zagorpixelma: yeah, the menu led is controlled by another pin. (if it is controlled at all)
23:49:54pixelmawell, I just checked the of again and it switches both on and off (in combination with the display backlight)
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23:50:41Zagorah, ok
23:51:46*bluebrother wonders who the guy with the x5v was ... LinusN?
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23:52:08BagderI don't think any dev has a x5v
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23:52:38Bagderthey hide on the iaudiophile forum ;-)
23:52:50bluebrotherhmm. I'd be interested in knowing if it has a different usb pid than the x5
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23:53:13Bagderit would surprise me a lot, but I guess that's not really helpful ;-)
23:53:43bluebrotherin terms of facts it unfortunately isn't.
23:54:04bluebrotherit would be cool if they had different ids for detection.
23:54:29bluebrothermaybe I should try to ask in the iaudiophile forums?
23:54:50BagderI think that's one of the best places to actually find such a one
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