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| 00:00:25 | Llorean | Dark_Apostrophe: Did you re-initialize the database? Rockbox doesn't care where the music is |
| 00:00:30 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: maybe you forgot to enable a satabase setting? |
| 00:00:40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Llorean: How do I do so? |
| 00:00:56 | markun | Dark_Apostrophe: try the manual :) |
| 00:01:01 | Llorean | Dark_Apostrophe: Using the "Initialize" option instead of the "Update" option.. |
| 00:01:22 | Dark_Apostrophe | Just tried it, then went to the database... |
| 00:01:28 | markun | eigma: you are working on the mrobe port, right? |
| 00:01:38 | Dark_Apostrophe | It just says Building database (0 found) off to return |
| 00:01:55 | bluebrother | you need to reboot after initializing the database |
| 00:01:59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Oh |
| 00:01:59 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 00:02:08 | bluebrother | and the *manual* covers that. |
| 00:02:21 | Dark_Apostrophe | the *manual* is *gigantic* :p |
| 00:02:26 | DefineByte | shouldn't a message pop-up stating that? |
| 00:02:34 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's like finding a needle in a haystack :P |
| 00:02:36 | DefineByte | \if it doesn't |
| 00:02:38 | Dark_Apostrophe | DefineByte: It did not |
| 00:03:03 | DefineByte | yeah, i'm just saying having one would be a good idea |
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| 00:03:35 | nls_ | DefineByte: there is one, maybe it's not working always or the problem is something else |
| 00:03:42 | bluebrother | if you initialize the database by using if (given that you haven't used it before) there is one |
| 00:03:43 | DefineByte | okay :) |
| 00:03:48 | Llorean | Dark_Apostrophe: The manual also has an index and can be searched, which haystacks do not. |
| 00:04:13 | bluebrother | and it's also possible that the splash comes up when searching the disc finishes. Not sure about that. |
| 00:04:24 | Dark_Apostrophe | I must admit, ou have a good point there, Llorean |
| 00:04:27 | bluebrother | Llorean: sorry, but the manual doesn't have an index. |
| 00:04:35 | Dark_Apostrophe | you* |
| 00:04:42 | bluebrother | we started working on it but it got never in. |
| 00:04:45 | nls_ | but it can still be searched |
| 00:05:19 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ooh |
| 00:05:22 | Llorean | bluebrother: Table of contents, sorry. |
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| 00:05:29 | Dark_Apostrophe | The database works after rebooting |
| 00:05:30 | Dark_Apostrophe | Thanks |
| 00:05:36 | scorche|work | success! |
| 00:05:46 | Dark_Apostrophe | :) |
| 00:06:05 | bluebrother | Llorean: ah ... but we had the idea of having a real index too ;-) |
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| 00:08:23 | nls_ | amiconn: I just played through that entire midi file on my h300 and no buffer miss at all... |
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| 00:12:57 | * | bluebrother wonders about GIO |
| 00:14:06 | bluebrother | I'd expect it to be GPIO ... |
| 00:14:55 | velixzeen | on a sansa e280 does the lock switch act as a write-protect switch also? Does it prevent manufacturer mode from writing a BL file? |
| 00:15:10 | scorche|work | no |
| 00:15:59 | velixzeen | ok, thanks. |
| 00:16:27 | * | jhMikeS wonders why the gigabeat S lcd code isn't based on the more developed meg-fx code and is having a crisis with all these new ports and holding onto major code changes. argh. |
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| 00:20:41 | * | jhMikeS gets a move on. video changes, pcm changes. sort it out later...and then heh, another dual core target. bah. |
| 00:22:22 | markun | jhMikeS: the DM320 is dual core? |
| 00:22:56 | petur | iirc it is core+dsp |
| 00:23:49 | markun | that I know |
| 00:24:15 | jhMikeS | yes |
| 00:24:26 | jhMikeS | isn't it dual arm+dsp? |
| 00:24:36 | jhMikeS | 2x200MHz I thought |
| 00:24:55 | kkurbjun | different clock speeds on the arm and dsp |
| 00:25:19 | scorche|work | "DM320 has an ARM926 core and a TMS320 C5409 DSP" |
| 00:25:25 | scorche|work | sounds like just one core |
| 00:25:37 | jhMikeS | DM320 or TMS320? |
| 00:25:39 | kkurbjun | dsp runs at 100 mhz and arm runs at 160, but that's dependent on the specific step you get |
| 00:25:53 | kkurbjun | it's a TMS320DMS320 |
| 00:26:10 | scorche|work | TMS is the DSP, DMS is the arm |
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| 00:26:38 | kkurbjun | sorry, DM320, not DMS |
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| 00:26:50 | bluebrother | wouldn't the D in DM imply to be DSP part? |
| 00:26:52 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: the touch screen for the m:robe500i too :) |
| 00:26:54 | kkurbjun | and single arm |
| 00:27:01 | bluebrother | or suggest even. |
| 00:27:07 | nls_ | kkurbjun: could your latest change to midiplay have significantly reduced the amount of buffer misses? |
| 00:27:33 | scorche|work | bluebrother: one would think, but it doesnt seem like that... |
| 00:27:49 | bluebrother | companies seem to like strange namings ... |
| 00:28:20 | markun | kkurbjun: there might be some useful stuff in here: https://svn.neurostechnology.com/hackers/darchon/arm-dsp_bridge/ |
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| 00:28:26 | kkurbjun | nls, that's a different issue, buffer misses refers to PCM buffer missing |
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| 00:28:51 | jhMikeS | somehow I got the impression it was two ARM cores _and_ the DSP core. |
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| 00:29:10 | kkurbjun | markun: thanks |
| 00:29:17 | nls_ | kkurbjun: and these are caused by slow performance? also are they easily heard? |
| 00:29:55 | kkurbjun | I think the midi player might just loop the old sample twice, but I can't remember the functionality |
| 00:29:56 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I'm not even gonna worry about touch screen. Not even relevant to this stuff. |
| 00:29:59 | markun | kkurbjun: perhaps we can work together with neuros on some DSP code (FFT implementation for example) |
| 00:30:03 | nls_ | jhMikeS: if it has two 160 MHz cores we can just pretend one doesn't exist :-) |
| 00:30:17 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I was mentioning it because it's a new dev direction |
| 00:30:50 | kkurbjun | markun, that would be nice - right now the port isn't quite to that stage atm |
| 00:31:01 | kkurbjun | but is something to consider for the future |
| 00:31:30 | jhMikeS | n1s_: now, why would we want to do that? the stuff I've done to kernel could run with 20 cores. just gotta get pp5020 figured on what's really wrong there. |
| 00:31:37 | kkurbjun | we can compile things for the DSP if you don't mind using evaluation tool downloads |
| 00:32:29 | nls_ | jhMikeS: if it is such a PITA as the pp was/is but maybe most of the issues are worked out now, and then there's no reason :-) |
| 00:33:07 | jhMikeS | n1s_: It's not a pain for anything but one single chip. Why cripple everything else? |
| 00:34:40 | * | jhMikeS wonders if he misread n1s_'s statement and apologizes if so. |
| 00:34:41 | nls_ | _if_ it is such a pain but i guess you are right, anyway I wouldn't touch the kernel/threading code with a ten foot pole |
| 00:35:08 | nls_ | anyway goodnight |
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| 00:35:13 | jhMikeS | night |
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| 00:37:14 | eigma | markun: yes, kkurbjun and jdGordon are also working on it |
| 00:37:25 | Nico_P | hmm apparently noone noticed that the line selector isn't drawn as usual on my FS #7808 screendumps |
| 00:39:20 | jhMikeS | I guess I should just put this dither option under more general "Display Options" in place for mpegplayer along with the bonus asm idct? Things seemed genereally in favor of it when I talked about before. |
| 00:39:47 | petur | Nico_P: I like it too, haven't looked at the patch (16KB???) |
| 00:40:17 | Nico_P | petur: why does the size surprise you ? |
| 00:40:35 | midgey | Nico_P: you even made the selected item text a different color too |
| 00:40:48 | petur | hmm it adds some more options... |
| 00:40:50 | Nico_P | midgey: yes, that was on purpose |
| 00:41:15 | bluebrother | pixelma: I just committed the changes. Hope you don't dislike it ;-) |
| 00:41:25 | midgey | Nico_P: just trying to draw other people's attention to it :) |
| 00:41:31 | bluebrother | and now it's time for some sleep. cya. |
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| 00:42:47 | petur | Nico_P: does it work with double selectors? |
| 00:43:15 | Nico_P | no, it displays two gradients... I wanted to solve it but didn't find how it could be done |
| 00:43:17 | pixelma | Nico_P: how much impact is there on targets that can't even use it (is there?) |
| 00:43:33 | midgey | petur: double selectors? |
| 00:43:40 | Nico_P | pixelma: it's only available on colour targets, and I think there is no impact on others |
| 00:44:07 | Nico_P | midgey: System > running time |
| 00:44:17 | jhMikeS | ok, no big "no" about the option...and so let it be written and so let it be done. :P |
| 00:44:25 | Nico_P | petur: it's not *that* ugly though |
| 00:44:33 | petur | and the recording screen uses a trick where both L and R are selected first to change their gain together |
| 00:44:52 | midgey | pixelma: there shouldn't be any changes to non-color targets assuming i got all the ifdefs and lang options right |
| 00:45:00 | Nico_P | petur: ah, I haven't checked the recording screen... is it available in the sim ? |
| 00:45:06 | petur | yes |
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| 00:45:33 | petur | if you build for a target that has recording ;) |
| 00:45:41 | pixelma | Nico_P: what do you think, does it make drawing even slower on e.g. the Ipod Video? Someone tried on target? |
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| 00:46:36 | Nico_P | pixelma: if you use the regular selector it should make almost no difference... with the gradient selector I wouldn't be surprised if it's a little slower |
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| 00:47:35 | Klevi | -.-.. anyway, are there any themes availible for the Sansa c200? |
| 00:47:44 | midgey | even without gradients, there's a bit more computation than the normal inverse, but not too much |
| 00:48:48 | jhMikeS | gradients? what's happening now? why would inverse be more complicated? |
| 00:50:12 | midgey | jhMikeS: its not, i was saying that gradients are more complicated than the inverse bar and the color bar is still a slight bit more complex than the inverse bar |
| 00:51:27 | midgey | testing on my gigabeat, the original patch, before kfazz added gradients, seemed to operate at nearly the same speed as the inverse method |
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| 00:51:42 | midgey | i'd assume its pretty much the same now |
| 00:51:51 | midgey | but of course, thats the gigabeat.... |
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| 00:52:44 | jhMikeS | relative speeds should hold pretty well between processors. |
| 00:52:58 | * | Nico_P is seeing a problem with the remote on the H300 sim |
| 00:53:09 | Nico_P | ...wrt the gradient patch |
| 00:53:24 | * | midgey had no remote to test with and forgot the sims.... |
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| 00:54:11 | Nico_P | petur: on the H300 sim, the recording screen just used the inverse bar... In fact I believe the gradient is only used in lists |
| 00:54:38 | jhMikeS | it tries to do gradients on the remote? |
| 00:54:46 | petur | weird, I would have assumed this was a system-wide change? |
| 00:54:47 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: probably |
| 00:54:47 | pixelma | Klevi: haven't seen one available for download yet. I "ported" the one I am using on a different player too but it was just a very quick work and not ready yet. But it's not that hard to write your own, in my opinion (the CustomWPS page is helpful) |
| 00:55:20 | Klevi | *is going to the store for a moment* Thats quite helpful, thanks |
| 00:55:25 | Klevi | Il try my best. |
| 00:55:46 | Nico_P | petur: there is a global setting involved, but it is only correctly used by the list... other screen still see it as a bool |
| 00:55:58 | Klevi | but just to say, Rockbox is far better than the original OS.. minus the fact that you cant use the radio. |
| 00:55:58 | pixelma | Nico_P: and the X5 with its greyscale remote? |
| 00:56:13 | Klevi | it doesnt hang as much |
| 00:56:39 | Nico_P | pixelma: building, but I assume it won't show anything either |
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| 00:58:22 | petur | jhMikeS: is that CHUNKF_ERROR also set for buffer overruns? |
| 00:59:47 | jhMikeS | petur: No, those are only warned about since they're not really fatal. |
| 00:59:55 | petur | goodie |
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| 01:00:02 | Nico_P | pixelma: same on the X5... the lcd driver for the remote screen isn't adapted anyway so it couldn't have worked |
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| 01:01:24 | jhMikeS | petur: you're adding the attempt to finalize the file on I/O error? If CHUNKF_ERROR is set the encoder will ignore it altogether. |
| 01:01:32 | jhMikeS | ignore the chunk that is |
| 01:02:03 | petur | I'm adding a forced pcmrec_end_file() on errors to write the header |
| 01:02:31 | Nico_P | OK, the remote bug is fixed |
| 01:02:32 | petur | I still haven't found what borks playback on disk full error |
| 01:02:47 | jhMikeS | playback? |
| 01:03:12 | petur | after a disk full error in recording, playback no longer works |
| 01:03:51 | petur | my H10 even crashed, but it tends to do that more so it could be unrelated |
| 01:03:58 | kkurbjun | anyone around that's familiar with ATA |
| 01:04:18 | * | petur tests on his H10 5GB, easier to fill for disk full tests ;) |
| 01:05:07 | kkurbjun | by ata, I specifically mean the low level registers, ATA_ERROR, ATA_NSECTOR, etc.. |
| 01:05:42 | petur | kkurbjun: you need amiconn, LinusN,... |
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| 01:07:31 | midgey | if anyone has time or is feeling motivated |
| 01:07:34 | kkurbjun | amiconn, are you around? |
| 01:07:46 | midgey | can someone take a look at FS #7546 |
| 01:07:53 | jhMikeS | petur: that one they definitely do - any dual-core stuff aside. I think there's some hidden corruption or sorts...maybe cache related. |
| 01:08:08 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:08:11 | midgey | it makes some changes to how rockboy handles the lcd and adds greyscale ipod support |
| 01:08:28 | Nico_P | petur: do you think the gradient is needed for the recording screen ? |
| 01:08:36 | midgey | but those changes may have made rockboy on the h100 slower |
| 01:09:11 | jhMikeS | it's not a general gradient function? just a bg? |
| 01:09:19 | petur | jhMikeS: maybe I got lost in that code but it looked like it didn't: before writing the header it checks the flags and aborts I think |
| 01:09:42 | petur | Nico_P: I think it is needed for consistency |
| 01:09:56 | petur | all bars should look the same |
| 01:10:08 | petur | and serve belgian beer ;) |
| 01:10:47 | jhMikeS | petur: yeah, it has no current use for a borked state but it _was_ passed to the encoder anyway to allow something to be done. I suppose it could ignore it for the CHUNKF_END_FILE case. |
| 01:10:57 | Nico_P | petur: OK, I'll take a look |
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| 01:20:10 | Nico_P | petur: done |
| 01:20:59 | Klevi | Ive found that in the Graphic EQ for the Sansa c200 the 5th bar is cut off screen and the cursor skips a line |
| 01:21:10 | Klevi | Why is that? |
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| 01:22:16 | Klevi | and.. why doesnt the blue light behind the buttons turn off? |
| 01:23:17 | pixelma | Klevi: the port is quite new and the more "cosmetic" things aren't completely perfect yet (you'll find that "skipping" in the colour settings too for example) |
| 01:23:33 | Klevi | I see. |
| 01:23:40 | Klevi | Well thats okay, itll get better |
| 01:23:44 | Klevi | =) |
| 01:24:20 | Klevi | Im hlafd worried about my battery life being stemmed though.. |
| 01:24:24 | Klevi | *half* |
| 01:24:46 | Klevi | Sory for being a noob |
| 01:24:55 | Klevi | *sorry* |
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| 01:30:30 | Nico_P | ok, bed time now |
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| 01:30:45 | petur | jhMikeS: that file corruption thing is weird: after recording fails, I have a file which properties finds to have a certain size, but upon reboot it becomes 0 bytes. Looks like a dircache thing :/ |
| 01:31:09 | * | petur also think it is bed time |
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| 01:32:55 | pixelma | Klevi: because of the buttonlight? I hope that'll be figured out, on the sansa e-series there are settings for it. |
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| 01:33:23 | Klevi | Curses for my lack of money when I bought Mp3 player of mine >.< |
| 01:33:34 | Bam2550 | Where do i add my Mpeg files so i can watch them? (ipod nano) Also after they are on the ipod, where will they end up? |
| 01:34:04 | Bam2550 | Thanks in advance |
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| 01:38:54 | Klevi | Is there a way to raise the buffer size in Rockbox? Audio skips when raising the volume or decreasing |
| 01:45:45 | pixelma | haven't experienced that on mine but it doesn't have to do with the buffer size. Do you use eq? |
| 01:46:06 | Klevi | Yes, |
| 01:46:11 | Klevi | Sholud I turn it off? |
| 01:46:15 | Klevi | *Should |
| 01:47:36 | pixelma | eq is very cpu intensive, you should try turning them off and use bass/treble settings instead or use only a few bands (the less the better) |
| 01:49:02 | pixelma | and also the peakmeters in the default theme are cpu hungry if you write your own you shouldn't use them |
| 01:50:16 | Klevi | you mean those bars that move with the music? Right? |
| 01:50:24 | Klevi | cant I just disable them entirely? |
| 01:51:56 | pixelma | yes, that's what I mean. As I said I had no problems even with the default theme but I don't use the equalizer. And no you just can't turn them off that easily |
| 01:52:16 | Klevi | dang. |
| 01:52:20 | Klevi | =p |
| 01:55:08 | Bam2550 | Where do i add my Mpeg files so i can watch them? (ipod nano) Also after they are on the ipod, where will they end up? |
| 01:57:40 | pixelma | I'm off for the night, for general questions as yours I recommend searching the wiki or the forums or the manual (though the latter is very fresh and especially player specific things like button mappings can be still quite off) |
| 01:58:02 | ToHellWithGA | Bam2550: rockbox searches and builds a database. did you put your music files in any particular directories? |
| 01:58:39 | pixelma | Bam2550: they'll end up where you put them when copying them to your player |
| 01:58:40 | ToHellWithGA | i never used itunes for my ipod and rockbox found the music i copied into a directory on the drive that i named myself |
| 01:58:44 | Bam2550 | Well, my regular .mp3s or what ever are in this RO1 file. So i think i should put it in there? |
| 01:58:53 | linuxstb | ToHellWithGA: The database doesn't index videos - which I assume is what Bam2550 is referring to. |
| 01:59:19 | iamben | don't you just browse to the vids in the file browser? |
| 01:59:40 | linuxstb | Bam2550: No, you should put them somewhere sensible - e.g. create a folder called "Videos" on your ipod and put them there. (but you can put them anywhere you want) |
| 01:59:41 | ToHellWithGA | oh no! what a failure of a database :P |
| 01:59:56 | Bam2550 | So just anywhere? |
| 01:59:59 | Bam2550 | as long as there on the ipod |
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| 02:00:05 | linuxstb | Bam2550: Yes. |
| 02:00:27 | ToHellWithGA | Bam2550: you can get better playback characteristics if you just roll your own .mp4 files and reboot into the original ipod firmware |
| 02:00:46 | linuxstb | ToHellWithGA: On the Nano? |
| 02:00:58 | pixelma | Klevi: my first statement was to you, didn't see the other question in the meantime |
| 02:01:16 | Bam2550 | Okay, also one thing about the themes |
| 02:01:18 | ToHellWithGA | linuxstb: does the nano not support video? i just have a vanilla ipod video |
| 02:01:36 | linuxstb | ToHellWithGA: Not the 1st gen Nano, which is the only one Rockbox works on. |
| 02:01:37 | Klevi | Thanks pixelma |
| 02:01:50 | Klevi | =) Much appreciated |
| 02:01:59 | Bam2550 | Do i just replace the old backdrops, fonts, themes, and wps that where on my nano with the new ones i downloaded? |
| 02:02:03 | ToHellWithGA | that's such a bummer. i guess the smaller display might handle video a bit better anyhow. |
| 02:02:18 | linuxstb | ToHellWithGA: Yes, Rockbox has very good video playback on the Nano. |
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| 02:03:18 | linuxstb | Bam2550: If you're asking how to install a theme, you just extract the contents of the zip file containing the theme to your ipod, then select it via the Browse Themes menu option. |
| 02:03:41 | Bam2550 | well when i download it i get a .rockbox folder... |
| 02:04:03 | linuxstb | No, when you download you get a zip file. You extract that zip file to your ipod, don't extract it onto your computer. |
| 02:04:35 | Bam2550 | yes i know |
| 02:04:50 | Bam2550 | but the .rockbox in the folder is much different then the .rockbox on my ipod |
| 02:04:59 | Bam2550 | (like there are more folders in the one on my ipod o.0) |
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| 02:05:17 | linuxstb | That's not a problem - it only contains folders containing the theme elements. |
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| 02:06:12 | Bam2550 | So i replace the one on my ipod with the one in the zip file. |
| 02:06:30 | linuxstb | No |
| 02:06:32 | ralfonso | I'm getting the following compile error, compiling for Gigabeat: /home/ralfonso/downloads/rockbox/build/librockbox.a(system-meg-fx.o): In function `ADC': system-meg-fx.c:(.text+0xd8): undefined reference to `irqvector' |
| 02:06:36 | ToHellWithGA | Bam2550: it adds |
| 02:06:47 | ToHellWithGA | it doesn't just up and replace everything. it just fills in with those new files |
| 02:07:04 | Bam2550 | oh! so basically it only replaces the backdrop, themes, wps, and fonts thing like i said? xD |
| 02:07:21 | ToHellWithGA | it doesn't even replace those. it just adds new ones to each of those folders |
| 02:07:28 | ToHellWithGA | so you can pick which you'd like to use |
| 02:08:18 | linuxstb | Bam2550: You may want to try the Rockbox Utility - it automates this process - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt |
| 02:08:28 | Bam2550 | o.0 ty linuxstb |
| 02:08:33 | Bam2550 | and ToHellWithGA |
| 02:08:50 | ToHellWithGA | keeping the defaults is a good idea because some themes expect defaults for some parts. If you run a theme with a new icons, for example, the next theme you run might leave those icons and not look as good as it might with default icons |
| 02:10:36 | linuxstb | ralfonso: According to this page, current SVN compiles fine - http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi Are you using the current source? |
| 02:11:13 | ralfonso | linuxstb: pulled from SVN about 20m ago |
| 02:11:28 | ralfonso | compiling with arm-elf-gcc 4.1.2 |
| 02:12:43 | linuxstb | ralfonso: Could be a gcc issue - 4.0.3 is the recommended version... I've never seen it before though. |
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| 02:13:36 | Ebert | whats wrong with georgia tohellwithga ? :D |
| 02:14:05 | ToHellWithGA | every last bulldog is a fool |
| 02:14:10 | ToHellWithGA | that's all really |
| 02:14:25 | ToHellWithGA | the state itself isn't half bad, particularly atlanta and savannah |
| 02:14:50 | Ebert | oh, just a UGA hater, ok |
| 02:15:12 | Ebert | looks like its their "rebuild season" anyhow |
| 02:15:13 | ralfonso | linuxstb: thanks. I'll try it with 4.0.3 |
| 02:15:36 | ToHellWithGA | i'm a little tiffed calvin johnson went out for the draft |
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| 02:15:51 | ToHellWithGA | granted the GT bowl game sucked, but that's neither here nor there in #rockbox. |
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| 02:34:02 | Klevi | how can I clear the virtual keyboard after searching for an artist? |
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| 02:41:48 | sdoyon | Hello. When I change an eq setting in the simple EQ setting, should I hear the effect right away? |
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| 02:44:40 | Klevi | I do, but i think it depends on the player you have. |
| 02:45:53 | ralfonso | linuxstb: thanks. it worked with 4.0.3 |
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| 02:58:39 | ralfonso | cd M/quit |
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| 03:13:52 | sdoyon | Is it possible that the menu callback doesn't get called in the case of the simple eq settings? |
| 03:16:11 | JdGordon | it shouldnt be |
| 03:17:09 | sdoyon | JdGordon: it shouldn't be called, or it shouldn't be possible? :-) |
| 03:17:32 | JdGordon | shouldnt be possible |
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| 03:17:49 | JdGordon | whats the problem? |
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| 03:19:39 | sdoyon | JdGordon: I don't hear any effect when applying a setting from the simple eq menu. I do when doing it from the advanced menu. I do have a patch applied to speak the dynamic menus, so I'll need to make sure that's not the cause of the problem of course. |
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| 03:20:39 | Bam2550 | Hey, do i have to make my videos a certain size to play them on my Ipod Nano (with rockbox)? Also can they be .avi? |
| 03:20:39 | JdGordon | oh, I dont tihnk you can speak the eq menu because it sets lcm_low_lattency mode which could be causing you problems |
| 03:22:14 | sdoyon | JdGordon: Indeed. I'm trying to move that to the inner menus, rather than covering the entire eq settings menus. Or possibly disabling the low latency if only for myself... |
| 03:22:30 | JdGordon | ok |
| 03:24:02 | Bam2550 | Hey, do i have to make my videos a certain size to play them on my Ipod Nano (with rockbox)? Also can they be .avi? |
| 03:26:26 | Llorean | Bam2550: 1) If nobody answers, please don't ask again without waiting at least 30 minutes. |
| 03:26:32 | Llorean | Bam2550: 2) Read the manual. |
| 03:26:50 | Bam2550 | Okay |
| 03:26:59 | scorche | Bam2550: 3) Read the channel guidelines. |
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| 03:32:10 | sdoyon | JdGordon: OK I did test without any code modification (slightly difficult, guess work with a scroll wheel...), and it does seem to confirm what I was saying: the simple eq settings appear not to be applied. I'll test whether the callback gets called I suppose. |
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| 03:33:03 | JdGordon | this is the software eq settings? |
| 03:33:58 | sdoyon | JdGordon: yes. |
| 03:36:18 | JdGordon | sdoyon: none of those menu items has a callback set |
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| 03:36:48 | JdGordon | oh wait... hmmm |
| 03:37:20 | JdGordon | yeah, they have no callback |
| 03:38:25 | Bam2550 | How do i find my .mpeg video file on my rockbox? (i made a new folder on my nano called "videos" like it told me to, then i put the mpeg in, and now i dont know where to look... =\) |
| 03:39:36 | maxkelley | mpegplayer. |
| 03:39:54 | JdGordon | maxkelley: dont give people wrong information please |
| 03:40:07 | JdGordon | Bam2550: go "files" from the main menu |
| 03:41:02 | Bam2550 | Ill try it |
| 03:41:21 | Bam2550 | ROFL, thanks jdgordon |
| 03:41:32 | eigma | JdGordon: hey what's up |
| 03:41:34 | maxkelley | JdGordon: I wouldn't tell him if I thought it was wrong. |
| 03:41:44 | JdGordon | hey eigma, not much |
| 03:42:09 | Bam2550 | maxkelley, you dont choose the mpegplayer, you have to go to File>videos>FunnyVideo |
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| 03:42:32 | Bam2550 | I think something is wrong with the file, because when i click it the screen just shows the background, then goes to the main menu |
| 03:42:48 | JdGordon | did you follow the conversion intructions? |
| 03:42:57 | maxkelley | my target doesn't yet support mpegplayer, so I wasn't exactly sure, but since nobody else had yet given him an answer, I decided to give it a shot. |
| 03:43:13 | Bam2550 | Not really, i just changed it from an .avi to an .mpeg. I'll try the right way now. |
| 03:44:06 | JdGordon | so thats not at all.. no not really about it |
| 03:44:12 | Bam2550 | JdGordon, do you mind to give me a link to a "how to convert video into .mpeg and play it on your nano"? |
| 03:44:40 | JdGordon | rockbox.org/wiki/MepgPlayer |
| 03:44:45 | JdGordon | MpegPlayer even |
| 03:44:50 | aliask | twiki even |
| 03:44:51 | JdGordon | _maybe_... |
| 03:44:56 | JdGordon | somewhere in the wiki |
| 03:45:46 | kkurbjun | eigma: I just committed my non working ata stuff, it spits out different error codes now. I have to go now though :) |
| 03:45:46 | Bam2550 | Er, no but ill keep on trucking |
| 03:46:00 | maxkelley | JdGordon: don't give people wrong information, please. the correct url would be rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/mpegplayer. |
| 03:46:01 | JdGordon | kkurbjun: ata -11? |
| 03:46:09 | kkurbjun | it's -32 now |
| 03:46:17 | JdGordon | maxkelley: dont be rude... im a dev... your not |
| 03:46:34 | maxkelley | and that gives you the right to be rude? |
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| 03:46:48 | maxkelley | hi wossname. |
| 03:46:58 | scorche | maxkelley: did you happen to follow that link? |
| 03:47:03 | Bam2550 | lol |
| 03:47:06 | Bam2550 | Your all wrong xD |
| 03:47:06 | Bam2550 | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer |
| 03:47:13 | Bam2550 | But thanks anyways |
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| 03:47:31 | scorche | maxkelley: he was in no way rude |
| 03:47:43 | maxkelley | scorche: eh, no :) |
| 03:47:51 | eigma | kkurbjun: cool! |
| 03:48:06 | kkurbjun | :), I wish it worked though |
| 03:48:14 | scorche | maxkelley: try it... www.rockbox.org/wiki/PluginMpegplayer |
| 03:48:19 | JdGordon | is -31 better or worse than -11 ? |
| 03:48:25 | JdGordon | -32 even |
| 03:48:27 | Bam2550 | scorche: thats what i said xD |
| 03:48:46 | wossname | hi max :3 |
| 03:49:04 | kkurbjun | I don't know, I haven't backtraced through the code enough to figure out the error number yet |
| 03:49:23 | kkurbjun | I'm assuming its a bit better though because the registers were all wrong before |
| 03:49:42 | kkurbjun | see you guys |
| 03:50:09 | Bam2550 | see you later. |
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| 03:52:45 | sdoyon | JdGordon: OK! I added a call to the callback in that do_option() function. Now it gets applied! Thanks for making me have a second look. |
| 03:53:16 | JdGordon | no worries. although Im not sure thats the correct way to do it |
| 03:53:24 | JdGordon | can you pastebin your changes to that file? |
| 03:54:12 | JdGordon | actually.. yeah that could be correct... pastebin it anyway and ill commit that now |
| 03:54:13 | sdoyon | JdGordon: Err I've never tried that thing... |
| 03:54:38 | JdGordon | or just dcc me the file? |
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| 03:56:03 | ddalton | sdoyon: Your patches don't seem to run on the latest svn (hunk errors) do you have an update or should I do it? |
| 03:56:07 | ddalton | myself |
| 03:56:52 | sdoyon | ddalton: Oh? I'm up-to-date. I can send you the lot if you want. |
| 03:57:15 | ddalton | sdoyon: can you please send them to me then? |
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| 03:58:11 | sdoyon | ddalton: Sure, in a moment. Got to finish another discussion first :-). |
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| 03:59:53 | ddalton | sdoyon: ok do you know how to make a voice unit? |
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| 04:05:25 | velixzeen | What is the status of e200 sansa? Is it supported? |
| 04:06:00 | * | Klevi is tempted to say yes but is very new to rocbox |
| 04:06:07 | Klevi | *rockbox* |
| 04:06:07 | scorche | is it on the frontpage? |
| 04:06:18 | Klevi | I use it on my Sansa c200. |
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| 04:07:35 | velixzeen | scorche: yes and I think it should be removed |
| 04:07:41 | scorche | why? |
| 04:07:52 | Klevi | is it broken> |
| 04:07:58 | velixzeen | the bootloader fails to dual-boot |
| 04:08:10 | velixzeen | OF just crashes |
| 04:08:14 | scorche | on your device...but on most of the devices, it works just fine |
| 04:08:40 | velixzeen | hmmm... how am I so lucky? :) |
| 04:08:40 | scorche | some nanos have issues as well..should we remove those from the front page as well? |
| 04:09:24 | Klevi | Updated company firmware i guess |
| 04:09:29 | Klevi | *shrug* |
| 04:09:35 | scorche | Klevi: we dont know |
| 04:09:39 | sdoyon | JdGordon: http://pastebin.ca/709901 called eq_menu.diff. |
| 04:09:47 | Klevi | Thats just my guess. |
| 04:09:50 | scorche | if we knew precisely, it would likely be fixed |
| 04:09:52 | Klevi | dont quote me |
| 04:10:10 | velixzeen | Well, I know I'm not alone. And unbricking is not fun. |
| 04:10:14 | sdoyon | JdGordon: along with P7563. |
| 04:10:21 | Klevi | Like with PSP hacks, with custom firmware, you get what I mean? |
| 04:10:40 | JdGordon | sdoyon: is 7563 needed for that paste? |
| 04:10:44 | scorche | Klevi: do you have anything to back up this guess, or is it just a random guess with no backing? |
| 04:10:54 | scorche | velixzeen: it takes 2 min...if that... |
| 04:10:56 | sdoyon | JdGordon: probably not. |
| 04:11:02 | Klevi | not really, but logiacally it would make sense wouldnt it? |
| 04:11:09 | Klevi | *Logically |
| 04:11:21 | scorche | Klevi: one wouldnt make random guesses without any backing if one works logically |
| 04:11:38 | velixzeen | Right two minutes, after you read and find the files, etc. |
| 04:11:44 | Klevi | maybe I dont work logically then |
| 04:12:02 | Klevi | =p |
| 04:12:14 | scorche | velixzeen: yes...that sounds like a horrible process... |
| 04:13:03 | Klevi | Im off too sleep anyway.. its 10pm. Night all |
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| 04:13:52 | velixzeen | No, spending $150.00 bucks and then bricking it with open source firmware is the horrible process. |
| 04:14:04 | scorche | that isnt bricking it |
| 04:14:27 | sgsax | runs great on my e260 |
| 04:14:49 | velixzeen | yes it does run on some e200's |
| 04:14:53 | velixzeen | not all |
| 04:15:07 | sgsax | not the e2xxr series, I believe |
| 04:15:40 | velixzeen | not sure of the R series, mine is just e280 |
| 04:15:51 | sgsax | but I think any other e2xx sould be ok, from what I've read so far |
| 04:15:54 | scorche | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brick_%28electronics%29 |
| 04:17:00 | JdGordon | sdoyon: im off for a bit, ill comit that in a while |
| 04:17:30 | sgsax | velixzeen: what version OF? |
| 04:17:38 | sdoyon | JdGordon: Thanks. |
| 04:18:19 | scorche | sgsax: that hasnt been the same through all of the suspected units |
| 04:18:22 | sdoyon | JdGordon: If you're still here: would it make sense to add a setting to disable the low latency thing, for when 7you're blind? |
| 04:18:41 | velixzeen | sgsax: hang on |
| 04:18:53 | sgsax | perhaps it a range of OF versions? |
| 04:18:57 | * | sgsax guesses |
| 04:19:08 | scorche | sgsax: as in people have had the same version and some worked, some didnt |
| 04:19:46 | sgsax | I'm no expert, by any means, was mostly thinking out loud |
| 04:20:05 | velixzeen | 0.1.00.12A is there now, I assume that replaced whatever was there before. |
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| 04:20:29 | sgsax | waiting for mine to finish booting to OF to check... |
| 04:20:46 | sgsax | takes several minutes to refresh the database with a full drive |
| 04:21:04 | scorche | sgsax: well, before you "think out loud", you might want to read up on current progress so you dont just repeat things we have heard over and over again ;) |
| 04:21:18 | sgsax | hey, I make a great parrot :) |
| 04:21:50 | scorche | pirate day already passed...we dont like parrots anymore |
| 04:22:08 | velixzeen | scorche: do you do dev work for rockbox? |
| 04:22:30 | scorche | velixzeen: why do you ask? |
| 04:22:47 | velixzeen | just wondered |
| 04:23:01 | sgsax | duly noted |
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| 04:24:11 | sheppard | rockbox support FLAC? |
| 04:24:31 | scorche | velixzeen: you can identify anyone associated with the project through their cloak |
| 04:24:54 | scorche | sheppard: www.rockbox.org/wiki/WhyRockbox |
| 04:25:23 | velixzeen | k |
| 04:26:19 | sheppard | neato |
| 04:26:23 | JdGordon | sdoyon: your ina a better position than me to answe than... |
| 04:26:26 | JdGordon | that* |
| 04:26:36 | sheppard | scorche: I run a really really old CVS version of rockbox, any easy way to upgrade? |
| 04:26:46 | sheppard | on my ipod |
| 04:26:46 | sgsax | fwiw, my OF is 1.02.15A, that's what it came with, but I bought mine refub, so it may have been installed by hte vendor |
| 04:26:58 | * | sgsax shuts up now |
| 04:27:15 | velixzeen | sgsax: ok |
| 04:27:23 | scorche | sheppard: delete the rockbox-related files, then copy over new ones....dont forget to update your bootloader as well |
| 04:27:31 | sgsax | *refurb |
| 04:30:01 | sheppard | well damn |
| 04:30:04 | sheppard | htats just too easy |
| 04:30:13 | sheppard | thanks scorche |
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| 04:31:07 | scorche | sheppard: you might want to read the manual for bootloader installation instructions as well...it has likely changed a bit from when you did it last |
| 04:31:35 | sdoyon | JdGordon: Sure, I'll be trying that out for a few days. But if it seems useful, that'd be acceptable? |
| 04:33:09 | sheppard | scorche: I ran some exe provided by the manual and pushed 'i' |
| 04:33:12 | sheppard | stupidly easy |
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| 04:36:25 | JdGordon | sdoyon: well, imho its settings bloat, but there seems to be a trend to be a bit lax for the non sighted users... so i guess it would be ok |
| 04:37:26 | eigma | anyone familiar with the Rockbox make system aroud? |
| 04:37:53 | * | ddalton goes for lunch |
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| 04:41:14 | velixzeen | anyhow, saying rockbox works on the e200 is going to cause people to assume that it will work on their e2xx. |
| 04:41:24 | scorche | velixzeen: it does work |
| 04:41:49 | velixzeen | you said there is a problem though |
| 04:41:58 | krazykit | velixzeen, e200 is the generic model name. |
| 04:42:00 | scorche | yes, there is a bug with some devices |
| 04:42:12 | velixzeen | and if you knew what it was you would fix it |
| 04:42:23 | scorche | and we dont know what it is /exactly/ |
| 04:43:07 | velixzeen | well I hope you find it |
| 04:43:45 | velixzeen | hello krazykit |
| 04:44:14 | sdoyon | JdGordon: you know, can you make this clearer for me? I have a slew of blind related patches on the tracker, was encouraged to do the work on the dev list, but no dev seems much interested. Is it just not particularly exciting to most devs, or it's seen as bloat? Or I'm just not going at this the right way... |
| 04:44:25 | scorche | well, it is a bit hard to find the issue when no developers have a device that exhibits the problem |
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| 04:45:20 | velixzeen | right. Sandisk, are they helpful or useless, or a combination of the two? |
| 04:46:02 | scorche | http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox-sandisk-connection.html |
| 04:46:27 | JdGordon | sdoyon: dont take this personally, but im going to be blunt... I personally think that the voiceing patches are bloat, BUT I do appreciate that there are lots of blind users so it would be great for themif the patches went in.... but yeah, the patches arent very interesting |
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| 04:47:28 | JdGordon | sdoyon: I tihnk the best thing for users would be if you (o someone else) maintained a unsupported build which had all these voice patches ntill they do make it into svn |
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| 04:50:09 | sdoyon | JdGordon: I'd rather you be blunt. But the thing is they are not making it into svn. Only one did and it took 9months. Is there any point putting stuff up on the tracker and asking for reviewers? |
| 04:53:28 | JdGordon | sdoyon: yeah, I dunno.. I tihnk you should write an email tot he -dev ml and ask whats the story with all the patches (probably list them), I dont actually know how the others feel about their inclusion, or if they arnt going in because they are done badly/wrongly |
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| 04:55:46 | JdGordon | just looking at a random patch (#7798, talk_time()) you use the variable name xact, which isnt wrong, but not really nice... we prefer full english words... |
| 04:56:22 | sdoyon | JdGordon: OK, fine. Well at least you're looking :-). |
| 04:56:38 | JdGordon | the voice callback for the list makes sence, but didnt look at the actual code yet |
| 04:57:44 | sdoyon | JdGordon: Ideally someone with a click wheel would need to try it. |
| 04:59:09 | sdoyon | JdGordon: Some are reasonably simple: P7563 for the eq menus, P6325 for the rec trigger, P6171 for the quickscreen (not that it's terribly useful, only it's annoying when you enter it by mistake and the controls seem not to work anymore). |
| 04:59:27 | sdoyon | JdGordon: Others I could use advice on. |
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| 05:00:28 | sdoyon | JdGordon: When you say bloat, you mean code-wise, or resources, or just too many settings? Is there anything that might be done to make it better... |
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| 05:01:58 | ddalton | sdoyon: what about p6323 could that be committed? and what about p6331 |
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| 05:03:50 | JdGordon | sdoyon: bloat wise, i mean all three, but maily binary size wise... |
| 05:04:06 | ddalton | what about p7653? |
| 05:04:29 | ddalton | JdGordon? |
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| 05:05:33 | JdGordon | ddalton: I suggest you go to the start and read my opinion on all these patches again... |
| 05:07:13 | JdGordon | sdoyon: so yeah, best tihng to do is write up an email for the -dev mailing list and see what the others think |
| 05:07:34 | sdoyon | JdGordon: Perhaps a compile-time option to disable the voice stuff...? |
| 05:08:05 | ddalton | sdoyon: what's the main problem with them? Isn't that why lang v2 was committed? |
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| 05:08:11 | JdGordon | thats the other option, but just as pointless.. I would tihnk more people that need voice would have a hard time compiling anyway so why make it harder? |
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| 05:08:30 | sdoyon | JdGordon: I'll do that. (Didn't get anywhere last time, if I may be allowed to grumble...) Thanks for talking about it. |
| 05:09:04 | ddalton | sdoyon: are you getting my messages? |
| 05:09:48 | ddalton | JdGordon: could p7682 be committed? It isn't very big but I am sure it would be quite useful |
| 05:10:20 | ddalton | I know it would work on the ipod's, x5 if you have p7814 and h300 if you have p7814 |
| 05:10:29 | ddalton | I think it is p7814 |
| 05:10:36 | ddalton | It is to do with voicing the alarm |
| 05:11:03 | sdoyon | JdGordon: If I may take a bit more of your time... Can you tell me about which players have more limited resources, how much RAM/flash are we talking about... What are the constraints? I'm familiar with the newer players only, and they're pretty big. |
| 05:11:06 | JdGordon | ddalton: like I said... im not interested in the voicing patches very much, I tihnk their bloat, so no, unless there is a general go for all of them from the swedes im happy to let them stay on the tracker for ht eitme being |
| 05:11:54 | ddalton | sdoyon: I know the archos have 1.4 mb ram but not sure exactly what moddles |
| 05:12:01 | ddalton | Let me look it up |
| 05:12:06 | JdGordon | sdoyon: the archos targets have 2mb ram and are very limited on how much binary we can stick on them, atm we have to compress rockbox on them so they run at all (I think we have a fair bit of leeway on them now though) |
| 05:12:35 | JdGordon | rombox which has been killed off was the big thing, but we are 40kb too big for that on certain targets |
| 05:12:35 | ddalton | 2 mb o yeah the voice file has to be under 1.4 mb |
| 05:13:22 | JdGordon | all the other (working) targets have at leats 16mb ram and no space restriction any time soon |
| 05:13:42 | sdoyon | JdGordon: so rombox is gone? Which player was it runing on? |
| 05:14:00 | ddalton | JdGordon: so the archos are holding rb back? |
| 05:14:02 | JdGordon | archos player/recorders/ondios I tihnk |
| 05:14:12 | JdGordon | ddalton: yes and no... |
| 05:14:19 | ddalton | does anyone even use the archos now? |
| 05:14:31 | * | JdGordon would love to kill off the arhcos player port, but its not going to happen |
| 05:14:34 | ddalton | what's the no part for? |
| 05:14:56 | * | ddalton would to |
| 05:15:33 | JdGordon | ddalton: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/07/rockbox-build-downloads-aug-2007/ |
| 05:15:37 | * | Isolinear had an Archos Studio 20 for 3 years... |
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| 05:16:16 | JdGordon | 2.8% of dailies/svn builds are downlaoded for the archos models |
| 05:17:57 | ddalton | so we're holding rockbox back for 2% of people? |
| 05:18:51 | JdGordon | thats one way of looking at it |
| 05:19:14 | ddalton | couldn't we have something like this: #Ifh300 code for a certain feature? Sorry if my #If is wrong |
| 05:19:20 | JdGordon | also the fact that one of the main devs owns a few of those targets means it wont die |
| 05:19:22 | ddalton | #if h300 |
| 05:19:32 | sdoyon | JdGordon: Still...seems to me it ought to be possible to lmiit functionality on the archos to keep the code size down. But on all the other players, it's not exactly tight. |
| 05:19:45 | ddalton | who owns one? |
| 05:20:22 | JdGordon | sdoyon: we can and do do that already |
| 05:20:44 | ddalton | so why was p6159 committed? then? |
| 05:20:53 | JdGordon | which was 6159? |
| 05:21:00 | scorche | it is more a matter of thought...rockbox isnt going to drop support for a player, and rockbox should be as similar as possible across all devices |
| 05:21:06 | ddalton | since we can't commit other patches due to the archos |
| 05:21:19 | JdGordon | ddalton: I didnt say that... |
| 05:21:42 | ddalton | the talk all the splash screens one by sdoyon |
| 05:21:45 | ddalton | or most |
| 05:21:46 | sdoyon | Of course my brand new player of last year is already discontinued, so I can understand that. |
| 05:22:21 | ddalton | so is mine |
| 05:22:39 | ddalton | what players can you get that support rockbox today brand new? |
| 05:22:54 | JdGordon | sansa e200 |
| 05:22:57 | ddalton | sdoyon: can you send me your update? |
| 05:23:08 | ddalton | and that's it? |
| 05:23:17 | JdGordon | i think so... maye the c200 also |
| 05:23:25 | JdGordon | ipod 5.5g.. |
| 05:23:35 | ddalton | what about the tosheba ones? |
| 05:23:44 | JdGordon | they are discontinued i tinhk |
| 05:23:47 | JdGordon | and impossibly to find |
| 05:24:26 | ddalton | what about ipod clasic hasn't that taken over the 5.5? |
| 05:25:03 | JdGordon | you can still buy the 5.5's in shops though... |
| 05:25:39 | ddalton | what if you want a 30 gb ipod and when you can't get the 5.5 will you have no choice but an 80 gb? |
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| 05:27:40 | ddalton | sdoyon: what player do you have? |
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| 05:27:58 | sdoyon | JdGordon: Well, thanks for the chat anyway. Getting late. |
| 05:30:21 | sdoyon | JdGordon: That commit: the last hunk should not have been included, it'll disable the low latency. And the first is unneeded. |
| 05:30:42 | sdoyon | ddalton: X5L and e280. |
| 05:30:44 | JdGordon | i fixed that in the 2nd comit |
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| 05:31:55 | sdoyon | JdGordon: Ah indeed. Sorry. Thx. |
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| 05:32:04 | ddalton | sdoyon: have you being using the alarm functionalaty? |
| 05:32:24 | ddalton | o his gone |
| 05:34:06 | Ckani | Hi was looking at the wiki and was wondering if it would be ok to list players that are similar such at the TMS320 groups on there in case of later work? |
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| 05:55:46 | Destro | Hi |
| 05:57:18 | Destro | I was wondering if someone could help. I was trying to play Doom on rockbox and it gave me an error "base wad not found" and quit. Would I have to copy a regular doom wad file into my plugins folder to make this work? |
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| 06:04:59 | sgsax | on the e200, is the default setting for max files in dir browser still 400, or is it 1000 now? |
| 06:07:05 | sgsax | if it's 1k, then the manual needs to be updated |
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| 06:08:23 | stevenm | Hello. What is the polity on committing new plugins? Do they have to be approved, or can I just toss it in? |
| 06:08:34 | stevenm | er policy |
| 06:09:10 | Chronon | I would think that if you have commit priviliges you would know the policy. |
| 06:09:16 | eigma | heh |
| 06:09:24 | Chronon | Otherwise you can put a patch on the tracker |
| 06:09:53 | Chronon | is that what you mean, stevenm? |
| 06:10:32 | stevenm | Well, I do have commit access. I only ever added one plugin, and I asked Linus if it was okay. Now I want to add another one, so I'm asking |
| 06:10:59 | Chronon | ok. don't have much input on that, I'm afraid |
| 06:11:00 | stevenm | Plus, that was a while ago, and there may be some new rule on plugins that I missed |
| 06:11:34 | Chronon | By the way, what kind of plugin? |
| 06:11:42 | stevenm | Chronon, drum machine |
| 06:11:51 | Chronon | sweet! |
| 06:12:00 | eigma | ba-dam pam tssh! |
| 06:12:12 | stevenm | highly unfinished, only ported to iriver, just started it yesterday. can't save or load or anything |
| 06:12:18 | stevenm | but you can edit the pattern and play it |
| 06:12:37 | eigma | any ARM assembly gurus around? |
| 06:12:44 | stevenm | after i got that working, all productivity stopped dead in its tracks because i was just playing all day with the thing |
| 06:12:56 | Chronon | lol |
| 06:14:26 | stevenm | Ok, well, I'll commit, but i will comment it out of the makefile until it is done fully |
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| 06:22:23 | jhMikeS | eigma: well, I know a bit but I wouldn't say "guru" so maybe I can help? |
| 06:25:00 | eigma | jhMikeS: okay, do you know if this does what it says? http://www.pastebin.ca/710015 |
| 06:25:08 | eigma | all this MRC/MCR stuff always confuses me |
| 06:29:03 | jhMikeS | I suppose that's rather device specific but it looks like it just reads, clears and coprocessor register bit then writes the result to it. |
| 06:29:31 | eigma | it should apply to all ARMv5's |
| 06:30:16 | eigma | I think it's working on my device.. thanks for looking at it |
| 06:30:20 | jhMikeS | you can select high/low vectors in software? So this makes it use low vectors? |
| 06:30:26 | eigma | yeah, it should |
| 06:30:57 | eigma | the ARM TRM says so, but it only gives a register definition, not full examples on doing it |
| 06:31:52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know if pluginmpegplayer has any plans for supporting more formats? (XviD, Ogg Theora etc...) |
| 06:35:19 | scorche | Dark_Apostrophe: not really |
| 06:35:23 | Dark_Apostrophe | damn |
| 06:35:37 | scorche | what is wrong with mpeg2? |
| 06:36:04 | Dark_Apostrophe | Big file sizes, high degrees of artifacts |
| 06:36:43 | Dark_Apostrophe | Besides, if it can run Doom, it should be able to run something like Xine - maybe a mini version of it, or something |
| 06:36:51 | scorche | does that motivate you to implement other formats? |
| 06:37:01 | jhMikeS | hehe |
| 06:37:09 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well - sorta, but I have one big hurdle if I were to do so: |
| 06:37:13 | Dark_Apostrophe | I don't know how to code :p |
| 06:37:29 | scorche | well, if you are motivated enough, i dont see how that is a very big obstacle |
| 06:37:59 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've tried it before. I just can't focus on boring books/tutorials |
| 06:38:07 | scorche | well, if you are motivated enough, i dont see how that is a very big obstacle |
| 06:38:19 | Dark_Apostrophe | I've got a BASH book and a Python book on my shelf. Never got very far in either - I just get bored and end up doing something else |
| 06:38:25 | scorche | well, if you are motivated enough, i dont see how that is a very big obstacle |
| 06:38:38 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm not, then. :P |
| 06:38:56 | scorche | then how would you expect us to be motivated enough to do it for you? |
| 06:39:11 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm not asking you to |
| 06:39:17 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just asked if there were plans to :p |
| 06:39:26 | jhMikeS | *rotf* |
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| 07:03:49 | ddalton | who knows how to speak french here? |
| 07:04:42 | ddalton | actually don't worry |
| 07:05:29 | eigma | this isn't #french, but I do |
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| 07:06:33 | ddalton | I know it was a rockbox question |
| 07:06:39 | ddalton | how do you say "disk" |
| 07:06:45 | ddalton | actually "disk size" |
| 07:06:55 | eigma | la taille du disque dur |
| 07:06:55 | ddalton | and what is your language file called? |
| 07:07:13 | ddalton | "la taille du disque dur"? |
| 07:07:17 | eigma | c'est quoi le nom de ton fichier de langage? |
| 07:07:54 | ddalton | to hard when you don't know the language don't worry |
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| 07:20:33 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The asm idct is used on all arm targets? |
| 07:21:30 | amiconn | Looks like it from the build errors... |
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| 07:22:12 | * | amiconn would like to see an asm idct for coldfire committed :/ |
| 07:24:52 | jhMikeS | amiconn: yes |
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| 07:37:04 | * | amiconn wonders what happened to jhMikeS' X5 |
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| 07:42:58 | jhMikeS | still got it...lousy battery |
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| 07:46:50 | amiconn | strange... |
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| 07:59:57 | amiconn | Hmm, mpegplayer is very unstable |
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| 08:02:18 | jhMikeS | on what? |
| 08:02:29 | amiconn | Tried H10 and iPod Mini G2 |
| 08:02:46 | amiconn | It often data aborts on startup, sometimes even with voice disabled |
| 08:03:11 | jhMikeS | heh, probably movement of the data from the changes. |
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| 08:04:09 | amiconn | It seems to happen on startup only, once the video started playing, it works, even if I call the menu and return |
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| 08:05:12 | jhMikeS | it's incorrect cache handling. it's more stable with the dual-core patch which addresses that stuff within it's relevance. |
| 08:05:26 | JdGordon | stupid bloody battery |
| 08:05:49 | ddalton | what code is executed when I press the record button in the recording screen? |
| 08:06:03 | jhMikeS | from what I'm experiencing, H10 isn't stable dual-core patch or not. it still can have that spindown lockup. |
| 08:06:43 | jhMikeS | ddalton: ummm...in which particular area? just the screen itself? |
| 08:07:04 | JdGordon | ok whos good at maths? im trying to get the pixel value from the touch screen.. I have the x,y value at the four corners... how do i find out the pixel that was pressed? |
| 08:07:08 | ddalton | jhMikeS: Just in the screen that you press to start recording |
| 08:07:19 | ddalton | do you know where I should look? |
| 08:08:18 | amiconn | JdGordon: That's trivial linear interpolation... |
| 08:08:27 | jhMikeS | where is calls audio_record and audio_new_file |
| 08:09:23 | ddalton | so what do you mean by "where is calls audio_record and audio_new_file"? |
| 08:09:51 | JdGordon | amiconn: yes i know... but i absolutly hate maths and cant thinkhow to do it :p |
| 08:09:53 | jhMikeS | in rec_command. |
| 08:10:10 | ddalton | what c file? |
| 08:10:19 | jhMikeS | oh, sorry...apps/recorder/recording.c |
| 08:10:36 | ddalton | ok thanks im going to have a look |
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| 08:12:29 | ddalton | jhMikeS: do you know how to make rockbox play a beep sound? Like when you go to the next song if you have beep set to yes |
| 08:12:33 | ddalton | or maybe its on |
| 08:15:31 | ddalton | jhMikeS: around? |
| 08:15:45 | jhMikeS | it does have that in Playback settings |
| 08:17:35 | ddalton | I copied a beep function from playback.c it compiled but didn't work |
| 08:17:58 | ddalton | is there somthing I can do to see if my code is been executed when pressing rec? |
| 08:18:01 | ddalton | something |
| 08:18:08 | ddalton | could I play a voice clip? |
| 08:18:10 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I'm sure something is really setup wrong on the PP5020 targets. Heck if I know what yet but it all seems related to having the cache enabled. |
| 08:18:13 | ddalton | or is voice not loaded |
| 08:19:40 | jhMikeS | ddalton: it's not really possible atm to voice the recording screen for many reasons. |
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| 08:21:11 | ddalton | can I make it play a beep? |
| 08:22:29 | jhMikeS | not as things are and the only targets that could even hope to pull it off without some pcm driver rework are the coldfire ones. |
| 08:22:53 | jhMikeS | well, gigabeat _could_ beep in the hardware but it doesn't record. :\ |
| 08:23:36 | amiconn | The archoses can "beep" when starting/pausing/stopping a recording |
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| 08:24:04 | amiconn | It's more a burp than a beep, but still better than no indication |
| 08:24:05 | jhMikeS | yes, forgot about that hwcodec. |
| 08:24:28 | ddalton | could the h300 beep? |
| 08:24:28 | amiconn | And the ipods could be made to beep with their piezo - but only some ipods can record |
| 08:24:36 | jhMikeS | the player unfortunately doesn't record |
| 08:24:50 | ddalton | the h300 records |
| 08:25:26 | ddalton | the h300 can record can't it? |
| 08:25:27 | jhMikeS | ddalton: for x5, h100, h300, m5 (?). it might be doable since they can record and play simultaneously. |
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| 08:25:48 | ddalton | ok so what should I add in that switch? |
| 08:25:49 | amiconn | Hmm, something is wrong with mpegplayer on ipod video now |
| 08:25:59 | amiconn | I only get audio, and a black screen |
| 08:27:13 | amiconn | Hmm, that only applies to the fullscreen test video. Widescreen works. |
| 08:27:20 | jhMikeS | amiconn: that one happens as well with the cache stuff. try adding the for(i = 0x10000000; i < 0x10002000; i++) inb(i); lines from ipod_init_cache to invalidate_icache. |
| 08:28:13 | ddalton | jhMikeS: what function should I use to make it beep? |
| 08:28:43 | jhMikeS | ddalton: there's no function that will currently work while recording. |
| 08:28:53 | jhMikeS | pcmbuf_beep does it normally though |
| 08:29:09 | ddalton | could I make it beep and then start recording? |
| 08:29:43 | jhMikeS | once you're in the screen, it's technically already recording, either prerecording or just discarding the data depending on the setting. |
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| 08:32:39 | jhMikeS | to beep on SWCODEC during recording, a small (but simple) waveform generator would be required to produce the output. the beep as it is now is just part of the pcm buffer in pcmbuf.c. |
| 08:32:59 | ddalton | ok I can't get it to work |
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| 08:34:12 | ddalton | jhMikeS: How can I get the name of the current file that is playing in the wps and then play its talk clip? |
| 08:38:35 | jhMikeS | ddalton: I have no idea about that. |
| 08:40:29 | ddalton | jhMikeS: ok I will search the code |
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| 08:45:04 | aliask | How do you build voices these days under linux? |
| 08:45:17 | ddalton | aliask you should be able to run configure |
| 08:45:36 | aliask | It isn't an option in configure any more... |
| 08:45:42 | ddalton | and select your target and advanced then voice |
| 08:45:51 | ddalton | what about advance? |
| 08:45:57 | ddalton | and you type make voice |
| 08:46:06 | ddalton | when it generates your make file |
| 08:46:06 | aliask | Ah, yes. Thanks! |
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| 08:51:50 | jhMikeS | damn this pp5020 stuff is unstable |
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| 09:11:19 | * | GodEater_ wonders is his latest ipod Classic post will finally drag some wind out of the sails of the people who think the port is just a matter of us knuckling down. |
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| 09:16:56 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Svn is about equally unstable on PP5020 and PP5022 for me |
| 09:17:14 | amiconn | PP5002 is stable, but we don't have multicore there (yet) |
| 09:17:28 | amiconn | Stable, as in mostly stable, like the coldfire targets |
| 09:17:37 | jhMikeS | It's not just for multicore stuff actually. It's misbehaved at every turn. |
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| 09:18:44 | jhMikeS | PP5024 is almost as easy to make changes for as any MFC5249 or S3C2440 |
| 09:19:25 | amiconn | 5022 and 5024 are identical, apart from the tacked-on AS3514 |
| 09:20:03 | amiconn | And the 5022 is far from stable, at least from my experience |
| 09:20:17 | amiconn | Voice triggers lots of crashes |
| 09:21:22 | jhMikeS | I can't imagine their truely identical then or it comes from it not being flash based and somehow ATA is involved. |
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| 09:23:29 | jhMikeS | Alot of this stuff seem to involve disk activity not to mention it seems to get stuck in an exception mode occasionally. |
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| 09:45:46 | jhMikeS | hmmm...everything seem ok if I don't perform the initial FIFO fill in my patch (which is code that doesn't actually execute in SVN since the mask is wrong). |
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| 10:04:14 | markun | jhMikeS: thanks again for the dithering options. In some scenes the difference in huge. |
| 10:06:02 | preglow | tried a new nano yesterday |
| 10:06:04 | preglow | it's too short :/ |
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| 10:07:51 | jhMikeS | markun: welcome |
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| 10:10:07 | stewball | hey all |
| 10:10:42 | markun | hi stewball |
| 10:10:48 | jhMikeS | preglow: is that the squarish one? |
| 10:11:29 | stewball | I've got a quick question about the config stage of compiling |
| 10:11:48 | stewball | what RAM is it asking for |
| 10:11:52 | stewball | the device's RAM |
| 10:11:56 | stewball | or my computers? |
| 10:12:03 | B4gder | the device's |
| 10:12:06 | stewball | ok cool |
| 10:12:31 | B4gder | presumably you have more in your PC ;-) |
| 10:12:42 | stewball | yeah |
| 10:14:01 | * | jhMikeS figures out it's best to leave the TXFIFO disabled during initial fill and then enable it |
| 10:14:23 | preglow | jhMikeS: yeah |
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| 10:14:58 | jhMikeS | it doesn't actually disable it but just stops the IIS transmission |
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| 11:03:47 | przemhb | Hi all |
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| 11:21:48 | przemhb | markun: could you be so kind and once again take a look on my patch #7712 - I've placed the new codepage as a last one |
| 11:22:15 | markun | well, according to amiconn it didn't matter that it was not at the end (oops) |
| 11:22:20 | markun | so I commit it anyway |
| 11:22:30 | markun | but I'm a bit busy now |
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| 11:23:24 | markun | przemhb: what's your full name? (to add to the credits) |
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| 11:28:23 | przemhb | markun: Przemysław Hołubowski |
| 11:29:20 | * | GodEater_ thanks god for a unicode IRC client |
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| 11:33:18 | markun | CREDITS is UTF-8, right? |
| 11:33:22 | markun | przemhb: thanks |
| 11:34:01 | linuxstb | CREDITS: UTF-8 Unicode English text |
| 11:34:24 | fm2 | Bagder: how can I keep the preprocessed C files during the build? Can I just add the -save-temps option? If yes, where should I add it? |
| 11:34:33 | amiconn | Yes, but the number of unicode chars used should be limited |
| 11:35:04 | amiconn | Many fonts (for bitmap targets) are rather limited |
| 11:36:06 | amiconn | ...and charcell cannot display everything either |
| 11:36:17 | markun | amiconn: does this polish l get replaced with 'l' |
| 11:36:19 | markun | ? |
| 11:36:22 | amiconn | Extended latin should be okay imo |
| 11:36:31 | fm2 | petur: how do you work with cygwin and tortoise? cygwin is set up to use native windows CRLF? How about the problem I had yesterday (build script couldn't parse the feature file correctly)? |
| 11:37:17 | linuxstb | fm2: I would guess you need to use the same line-ending setting in both tortoise and cygwin. |
| 11:37:56 | petur | fm2: I haven't tried genlang yet but afaik you have to use native line endings |
| 11:38:15 | jhMikeS | amiconn: you said you had the recipe for 16-bit packed samples on H10? I thought I remembered it but I'm getting silence. |
| 11:38:21 | petur | because all svn files have the native-eol keyword |
| 11:38:51 | petur | fm2: did you rerun cygwin setup and change line-endings to DOS? |
| 11:39:31 | fm2 | petur: yes. If I run a program and redirect the output to a file, DOS line endings are generated |
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| 11:40:11 | fm2 | petur: but some other components of cygwin (shell, perl, ...???) seem to have problems with it |
| 11:41:03 | petur | hmmmm maybe I should try some things at home tonight? This will be in about 10 hours however :/ |
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| 11:43:05 | fm2 | petur: ok, have a nice day! |
| 11:43:32 | fm2 | Any thoughts/comments about -save-temps? |
| 11:44:58 | przemhb | markun: in latin1 transcription for polish "ł" is "l", but the original polish letter "ł" you can get using 0xC5 0x82 code in UTF-8 |
| 11:45:44 | markun | przemhb: I was just wondering how rockbox handles it on the archos player |
| 11:45:47 | linuxstb | fm2: Why not just try it and see? It looks to me as if it would work, although it's not clear where the files will end up... |
| 11:46:27 | fm2 | linuxstb: I don't know where to add that option (in what make file) |
| 11:46:41 | fm2 | I'd surely try and see |
| 11:46:43 | jhMikeS | fm2: file files end up in the source tree as .i and .s files |
| 11:47:02 | jhMikeS | GCCOPTS= in the makefile |
| 11:48:15 | amiconn | markun: Archos player does have the "latin small letter l with stroke" - see firmware/drivers/lcd-charset-player.c |
| 11:48:16 | fm2 | jhMikeS: the main one? Or that in the apps subdir? I.e. where is that symbol defined? |
| 11:49:04 | jhMikeS | the one you do make on |
| 11:49:18 | jhMikeS | if that's what "main" means |
| 11:50:07 | linuxstb | fm2: Do you want that output for every file, or just some? |
| 11:50:07 | fm2 | jhMikeS: ok, will try. Thanks! |
| 11:50:34 | fm2 | linuxstb: not for all of RB, just those under apps |
| 11:50:53 | linuxstb | Then you could edit apps/Makefile - e.g. add it to CFLAGS |
| 11:50:59 | fm2 | linuxstb: und subdirs thereof |
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| 11:51:28 | linuxstb | All subdirs? i.e. plugins, codecs ? |
| 11:52:42 | fm2 | linuxstb: no, only the core, i.e. menus & co. I'm interested only in the files that might contain menu macros. |
| 11:53:27 | linuxstb | Then apps/Makefile is enough - that's used to compile the code in all subdirs apart from plugins/ and codecs/ |
| 11:53:41 | linuxstb | (IIUC...) |
| 11:54:08 | linuxstb | i.e. it will compile all the files listed in apps/SOURCES |
| 11:54:12 | fm2 | linuxstb: yes, I'll try. I see that codecs and plugins have their own makefiles |
| 11:54:56 | fm2 | linuxstb: that's exactly what I need |
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| 11:58:53 | JdGordon | anyone with a strong opinion on all the voice patches around? sdoyan was in this morning trying to find support for them and only I was around.... |
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| 12:00:08 | * | bluebrother has an idea for something similar to the themes site for fm preset |
| 12:00:19 | przemhb | markun: Thank you. |
| 12:01:10 | stewball | hi all, got another small question for my first patched compile |
| 12:01:46 | stewball | where do i put the .patch files? |
| 12:02:17 | stewball | /opt/rockbox was the folder I downloaded to from subversion |
| 12:02:26 | linuxstb | JdGordon: I have no objections to more voicing, but I never use it, and don't know enough about those parts of the code to commit the patches. |
| 12:02:39 | bluebrother | stewball: check the wiki −− there is a page called WorkingWitPatches or similar |
| 12:02:52 | stewball | ok cool cheers I'll wiki first in future |
| 12:03:48 | JdGordon | linuxstb: same here.. i dont object to them, and am happy to look at them, but dont really want to do it unless there is a general concensus to accept most of them... |
| 12:03:56 | JdGordon | bearing in mind it will definatly make a big red delta |
| 12:07:16 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Reading the logs this morning, I thought you were against them... |
| 12:07:59 | JdGordon | yeah, i dunno really.. i spoe i should say im indeferent to them, but... |
| 12:08:36 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Yes, but I don't remember it exactly right now. It involves setting the dac to "dsp mode", and a change to the i2s setup, sending 2 samples in a 32 bit word |
| 12:09:44 | amiconn | Setting i2s to 16 bit words does not work |
| 12:10:17 | linuxstb | I have this patch sitting on my computer (from 29 August) - I don't know if it was the working one or not though - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/packed_16_i2s.patch |
| 12:11:54 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: that was preglow's I think |
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| 12:12:28 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: OK. The IRC logs from then could be helpful though... |
| 12:12:40 | jhMikeS | heck if I know when that was |
| 12:13:11 | linuxstb | I just said - 29 August... |
| 12:14:14 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: heh. missed it in all that text. |
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| 12:21:32 | jhMikeS | recipe sounds nice here |
| 12:22:06 | jhMikeS | seems like there's more bass so I'll just grab a beer or something since that make no sense :\ |
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| 12:27:31 | jhMikeS | records fine too |
| 12:31:36 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Do you have problems with playback on the H10 not working after recording, or haven't you tested recording on the H10? |
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| 12:33:55 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I've just looked briefly at your gradient patch - shouldn't the lang strings be included only for colour targets? |
| 12:34:08 | Nico_P | linuxstb: they should indeed |
| 12:35:20 | jhMikeS | linustb: It just stays stuck |
| 12:35:32 | pondlife | JdGordon: Maybe the PLAYBACK_VOICE #ifdef stuff should be moved to a more general VOICE_ENABLE - allowing people to make a smaller binary if they never want voice support? |
| 12:36:18 | JdGordon | yeah, that sounds reasonabkle |
| 12:36:25 | pondlife | IMHO, the voicing should cover everything displayed, and in the same format. |
| 12:36:42 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: there's some really odd tie-ins with disk access. with these settings, sometimes actual audio is received only when the disk is flushing otherwise silence. |
| 12:37:00 | pondlife | (except perhaps WPS) |
| 12:39:05 | JdGordon | pondlife: wps perhaps? |
| 12:39:36 | pondlife | Well, you wouldn't want the progress bar voiced :) |
| 12:39:50 | JdGordon | you would want _any_ of the wps voiced? |
| 12:40:03 | pondlife | Maybe the caption backlight setting could be used to announce a new track. |
| 12:40:11 | pondlife | Although I personally wouldn't. |
| 12:40:38 | linuxstb | How does it work currently? |
| 12:41:05 | pondlife | Currently it just turns on the backlight for a few seconds at track start - not much use! |
| 12:41:19 | pondlife | But I assume that's so you can read the new track name |
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| 12:41:32 | linuxstb | I mean the voicing - is any info about the currently playing track voiced? |
| 12:41:56 | pondlife | No. You use follow playlist and go to the browser to get a title. |
| 12:42:20 | pondlife | But I wouldn't want any more voicing there myself. |
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| 12:43:07 | linuxstb | If we had a spare button, I would suggest it would be nice to be able to press a button and for info about the current track to be spoken. |
| 12:43:18 | pondlife | Yep, a "read WPS" button |
| 12:43:25 | amiconn | linuxstb: How would that work without tts? |
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| 12:45:09 | * | jhMikeS gets tired of the outl(inl(addr) | val, addr) crud and wants orl() and andl() shortcuts |
| 12:45:51 | amiconn | Why? |
| 12:46:04 | amiconn | Just define register names, and use |= and &= |
| 12:47:21 | JdGordon | fark this touch screen is annoying me! |
| 12:47:30 | jhMikeS | I don't have names for everything under the sun |
| 12:48:04 | jhMikeS | I2S_CLOCK_DIVIDER_THINGY1, I2S_CLOCK_DIVIDER_THINGY2 ? |
| 12:48:28 | Zagor | jhMikeS: if they are registers, use the official register name |
| 12:49:00 | amiconn | lol |
| 12:49:12 | jhMikeS | If you have the datasheet sure, np |
| 12:50:50 | amiconn | jhMikeS: In such a case where you only know the controller the register belongs to, you could use contrustions like IIS_0x2808 |
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| 12:50:56 | Zagor | then make up one. it doesn't have to be plain english, but even TLAs are better than numeric addresses |
| 12:51:53 | amiconn | (or even IIS_0x08, as 0x70002800 is the i2s base) |
| 12:53:01 | linuxstb | amiconn: The filename could be voiced in the same way as the file browser, and all other info is just numerical. |
| 12:53:12 | Zagor | why 08? CD1 and CD2 are a lot better names for clock dividers, if that's what they are |
| 12:53:25 | Zagor | or CDH and CDL if it's a high and low |
| 12:54:08 | jhMikeS | the H10 dealy gets weirder all the time. after recording, no sound but the peakmeters are pulsing around lightly. lol...something is just setup sooo wrong here. |
| 12:54:56 | markun | JdGordon: what's the problem with the screen? |
| 12:55:21 | JdGordon | I cant figure out how to only read one sample :( the best i've got is 4 samples |
| 12:55:26 | jhMikeS | IISDIV1/2 ... bleh |
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| 12:56:34 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I tried the core-local exception vectors and the thing boots faster |
| 12:57:17 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Exactly the same issues happen on the ipods that record - when first implementing recording, I tried to fix it (playing around with all the inits), but failed... |
| 12:58:26 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: even making sure the WM is reset to playback properly? |
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| 12:58:49 | crackerizer_2 | hello, everybody |
| 12:59:07 | crackerizer_2 | i'm trying to add a language to rockbox. |
| 12:59:09 | jhMikeS | It looks like it's not getting data pulled from the FIFO, so no clockout |
| 12:59:36 | crackerizer_2 | and i have a problem |
| 12:59:49 | markun | crackerizer_2: which language? |
| 12:59:58 | B4gder | and what problem? |
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| 13:00:03 | crackerizer_2 | markun: thai |
| 13:00:21 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: As far as I could tell, everyting was being re-initialised (for playback) after recording, but it didn't work. I don't know if it's related, but I also got similar problems when I tried to add support for playback at different samplerates (I think I was trying to get Doom sound at a lower samplerate) - IIRC, it would work at the first samplerate, but not after any change. |
| 13:00:27 | crackerizer_2 | B4gder: it has a complex font layout |
| 13:00:27 | markun | crackerizer_2: ah, I do believe we don't do the combining correct for thai script yet |
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| 13:02:00 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: When poking at it I did get settings that would allow progress after returning from recording but they're wrong anyway. |
| 13:02:11 | crackerizer_2 | markun: yes, the font display is corrupt & a lot of distortion. |
| 13:02:29 | jhMikeS | Hmmm...perhaps slave mode for the audio codec? |
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| 13:03:29 | crackerizer_2 | it can't viewable at all. |
| 13:03:42 | petur | jhMikeS: playback not working after recording, is that without having a diskfull error? |
| 13:04:01 | jhMikeS | petur: yes, on H10. It's just acting weird. |
| 13:04:39 | petur | ah ok, so I can scratch that bug off the disk full failure list |
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| 13:05:19 | jhMikeS | The H10 seems to be working better with exception vectors mapped core-local. Boots really fast too...did I say that? :) |
| 13:05:29 | markun | crackerizer_2: did you select a font with support for thai? |
| 13:05:50 | markun | crackerizer_2: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeFonts |
| 13:07:11 | crackerizer_2 | markun: yes, i converted a thai's ttf font to .fnt and it works with distortion and bad layout |
| 13:07:58 | jhMikeS | petur: yeah, not sure why that would come up as a disk-full failure for H10 |
| 13:08:08 | markun | crackerizer_2: what happens if you try one of our existing fonts with thai support? |
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| 13:08:36 | crackerizer_2 | markun: i dont try it yet. I'll give it a try. |
| 13:08:39 | markun | ok |
| 13:09:36 | crackerizer_2 | markun: anyway, how can i commit a translation to rockbox? i did about 30% of translation |
| 13:09:49 | crackerizer_2 | to thai... |
| 13:11:05 | markun | crackerizer_2: submit it to the patch tracker |
| 13:12:05 | crackerizer_2 | markun: thank you so much, i'll submit it when done....meanwhile, let's try some thai fonts first :) |
| 13:12:34 | markun | try unifont, 6+12x13 and 8x13B |
| 13:13:00 | crackerizer_2 | markun: i'll try... |
| 13:13:24 | markun | and if you find a nice document on how to do thai script rendering, that would also be nice |
| 13:14:46 | crackerizer_2 | markun: thanks for your advice... :) |
| 13:15:41 | markun | np :) |
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| 13:21:25 | jhMikeS | blarg, it was other bits doing that...hehe |
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| 13:36:33 | crackerizer_2 | markun: i tried the font. It's better than the one i converted. |
| 13:36:56 | crackerizer_2 | but it is not render correctly. |
| 13:38:45 | crackerizer_2 | what could i do to help? |
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| 13:41:04 | markun | crackerizer_2: well, I think we need to write some code to combine characters, or are there other problems? |
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| 13:44:32 | crackerizer_2 | markun: no other problems. |
| 13:45:14 | crackerizer_2 | i think i'll translate the language first, after that i'll look at the rendering.. |
| 13:46:36 | markun | crackerizer_2: ok, good idea. I don't have much time this week, maybe next week |
| 13:50:43 | crackerizer_2 | markun: thanks you so much.. |
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| 13:55:35 | jhMikeS | dammit I can't get this stupid H10 to freeze...what's wrong with it? :p |
| 13:56:01 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: Sounds like good news? |
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| 14:00:06 | jhMikeS | I'm hoping. I've no idea what's going on. |
| 14:01:12 | RaZorbacK | hello i'm editing a lang file generated by the genlang script. just need some clarifications. what o i have to do with the deprecated string in my new lang file? |
| 14:01:13 | Zagor | does anyone here have the Samsung S6B33B2 datasheet? (Sansa C200 display) I assume lowlight does, anyone else? |
| 14:01:34 | RaZorbacK | i know they don't have to be deleted in the master but uiin the new one ? |
| 14:02:25 | jhMikeS | Zagor: no but tell him I want one since I like to collect them even if I don't need them yet :) |
| 14:02:51 | markun | Zagor: amiconn found it |
| 14:03:09 | Zagor | I tried the samsung site actually. it claims they'll send it to me "after support personnel verify your needs" |
| 14:03:23 | Zagor | lovely |
| 14:03:43 | RaZorbacK | no lang files guru in here ? :) |
| 14:03:44 | * | jhMikeS wonders what they're getting at |
| 14:04:05 | Zagor | and all the datasheet sites seem to be nothing more than click farms |
| 14:04:38 | Zagor | jhMikeS: correlate with my order history? :) |
| 14:05:05 | jhMikeS | hehe. so often a datasheet comes from a russian site. go figure. |
| 14:05:53 | B4gder | Zagor: amiconn found it I think |
| 14:06:01 | Zagor | ah, found it on datasheetarchive.com |
| 14:06:02 | B4gder | oh, markun already said that |
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| 14:10:30 | markun | RaZorbacK: sorry, I don't know either |
| 14:11:20 | B4gder | RaZorbacK: a translation always just have to include whatever you want |
| 14:11:32 | B4gder | deprecated ones you can ignore completely |
| 14:12:12 | RaZorbacK | b4gder: so i can completely suppress the deprecated stuff including the id ? |
| 14:12:18 | B4gder | yes |
| 14:12:23 | RaZorbacK | ok |
| 14:12:27 | RaZorbacK | thx a lot |
| 14:12:31 | B4gder | a translation can be a single phrase if you want |
| 14:12:44 | RaZorbacK | a single phrase ? |
| 14:13:02 | B4gder | the key being "if you want" |
| 14:13:04 | RaZorbacK | what do you mean? we have to respect the dest, xource etc isn'nt it ? |
| 14:13:24 | RaZorbacK | ok |
| 14:13:31 | B4gder | I'm saying there's not a single phrase you MUST have included in a translation |
| 14:13:57 | B4gder | and since the deprecated ones aren't even used in english, there's no point in providing them ;-) |
| 14:14:43 | RaZorbacK | ok, i just thought that we may let the fact that theyt are deprecated in order not to confuse the voice file generation |
| 14:15:25 | RaZorbacK | thank you b4gder |
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| 14:22:05 | B4gder | hey barry, you seen what they seem to have found out on the e200 bootloader? |
| 14:22:20 | B4gder | the sdhc suport seems to be interfering |
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| 14:25:09 | amiconn | Zagor: I found it on alldatasheet.com |
| 14:25:53 | jhMikeS | B4gder: so, what's needed with any SD card support in the BL anyway? |
| 14:25:54 | Zagor | I ran around there but found myself being redirected all the time |
| 14:26:04 | Zagor | anyway, got it now and linked to it in wiki |
| 14:26:35 | B4gder | jhMikeS: isn't the access to the internal nand done in a similar way/code? |
| 14:27:14 | B4gder | but I agree that either way, sdhc isn't needed in the bootloader |
| 14:27:32 | amiconn | Zagor: Imho we should host as many datasheets as possible ourselves. Links tend to break over time |
| 14:27:35 | jhMikeS | similar but it flips regs around |
| 14:27:46 | B4gder | aha |
| 14:28:12 | jhMikeS | it has a multiplexer and such |
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| 14:29:54 | jhMikeS | initing a card can also make an ATA read on the internal flash fail the first time. is trying to mount a card off in the BL? |
| 14:30:37 | B4gder | I don't know, people have just identified that our e200 bootloader stopped working to boot the OF once the hc support got in |
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| 14:32:18 | B4gder | i figure that may also be why it has problems on the e200R models |
| 14:33:08 | jhMikeS | perhaps it's the SEND_IF_COND and it doesn't get ignored as much as it should? |
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| 14:34:24 | jhMikeS | I'm guessing that at least shouldn't be sent to the internal flash |
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| 14:41:18 | barrywardell | Bagder: hi, just saw your message |
| 14:41:59 | barrywardell | is that the OF booting problem? |
| 14:42:05 | B4gder | yes, it seems so |
| 14:42:12 | B4gder | someone tracked down the single commit that broke it |
| 14:42:33 | barrywardell | For some reason, I don't have that problem |
| 14:42:46 | barrywardell | the current bootloader loads the OF fine for me |
| 14:43:07 | B4gder | "The 14424 commit is what is causing the failure." |
| 14:43:16 | B4gder | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12762.0 |
| 14:43:28 | jepler | I'm using rockbox "current build" on a sansa e200-series. Thanks to anyone here who has worked on it −− it's pretty neat |
| 14:43:51 | barrywardell | I wonder why it affect other sansas, but not mine |
| 14:44:17 | B4gder | indeed |
| 14:44:18 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Do you always boot with your microSD card inserted? |
| 14:44:22 | barrywardell | no |
| 14:44:30 | B4gder | jepler: you're welcome! |
| 14:44:33 | barrywardell | it works fine without |
| 14:44:41 | barrywardell | although the of doesn't detect the microSD |
| 14:44:52 | linuxstb | barrywardell: So booting the OF firmware works fine both with and without the microSD inserted? |
| 14:45:10 | barrywardell | yes |
| 14:45:21 | linuxstb | There goes my theory then... |
| 14:45:26 | barrywardell | the OF just ignores the microSD |
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| 14:46:49 | barrywardell | the old rockbox bootloader froze on startup with the microSD in though...could be related? |
| 14:47:24 | B4gder | hm, yes it does feel like it |
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| 14:50:38 | * | jhMikeS didn't think microSD support exited at all when the old bootloader was built |
| 14:52:11 | linuxstb | The working bootloader is from 23 March... |
| 14:52:28 | barrywardell | the bootloader immediately prior to my high capacity commit froze with my microSDHC inserted |
| 14:53:30 | jhMikeS | so what happens if card_detect_target just returns false in the bl? |
| 14:53:30 | B4gder | an #ifndef BOOT would make sense for the entire microsd support |
| 14:54:57 | barrywardell | agreed |
| 14:55:08 | eigma | markun: were you looking for me yesterday? (as a dev on the m:robe port |
| 14:55:10 | jhMikeS | then JdGordon's boot from microSD won't work |
| 14:55:23 | barrywardell | although someone else will have to test since I'm not experiencing any problems |
| 14:55:30 | preglow | do we want to boot from microsd? :P |
| 14:55:31 | barrywardell | why boot from microSD? |
| 14:55:59 | jhMikeS | ask JdGordon. :) |
| 14:56:25 | jhMikeS | I'd say stability trumps that one |
| 14:56:55 | linuxstb | barrywardell: I'm sure if you post a bootloader binary in the forum thread about it, people will test. |
| 14:57:07 | markun | eigma: yes, but I don't know what I wanted to ask :) |
| 14:57:22 | linuxstb | (or probably better, a Windows sansapatcher binary with it embedded) |
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| 14:57:39 | jhMikeS | only issue I had was that booting relailos seemed to stick for about 10 seconds. |
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| 16:07:50 | jac0b | has anyone got cygwin working on vista? |
| 16:08:34 | GodEater_ | is there some aspect of it that you'd expect not to work on vista ? |
| 16:09:36 | jac0b | well I can't get tex to install and everything changes to read-only |
| 16:09:53 | jac0b | godeater_: are you using vista? |
| 16:10:57 | GodEater_ | jac0b: nope |
| 16:11:02 | GodEater_ | not even using window |
| 16:11:04 | GodEater_ | +s |
| 16:11:16 | B4gder | console only? ;-P |
| 16:11:18 | GodEater_ | AFAIK there are very few vista users here |
| 16:11:35 | GodEater_ | B4gder: teletype and punched cards actually ;) |
| 16:11:37 | sgsax | as it should be |
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| 16:12:03 | bluebrother | not using magnets to swap bits? ;-) |
| 16:12:14 | jac0b | godeater_: using ubuntu huh? |
| 16:12:37 | GodEater_ | jac0b: hell no |
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| 16:12:55 | * | bluebrother doesn't understand that ubuntu hype |
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| 16:13:04 | GodEater_ | nor me - I can't stand it |
| 16:13:23 | bluebrother | especially that dash issue really turned me off. |
| 16:13:25 | jac0b | slack? |
| 16:13:38 | GodEater_ | nope |
| 16:13:50 | * | linuxstb hugs Mr D. E. Bian |
| 16:14:03 | Zagor | ubuntu is the new gentoo. however of those two I must say I prefer ubuntu |
| 16:14:04 | bluebrother | :D |
| 16:14:24 | GodEater_ | nothing wrong with the little penguin |
| 16:14:37 | bluebrother | the new gentoo? What did the gentoo guys change to make it even comparable to ubuntu? |
| 16:14:54 | Zagor | bluebrother: i meant the hype |
| 16:15:02 | * | GodEater_ got that =/ |
| 16:15:11 | GodEater_ | funroll-loops |
| 16:15:19 | sgsax | I dunno, I think ubuntu is a great desktop distro |
| 16:15:23 | bluebrother | ah, ok. But the ubuntu hype is much ... user-centric. |
| 16:15:24 | Zagor | a while back all the kids wanted gentoo. now ubuntu is getting similar attention. |
| 16:15:36 | B4gder | I just want cake |
| 16:15:44 | GodEater_ | ubuntu is sucking up the idiots that cant' install anything else |
| 16:15:52 | * | GodEater_ would like cake too |
| 16:15:58 | bluebrother | windows users start to want ubuntu too ... that's a big difference. No windows kid wanted gentoo |
| 16:15:59 | sgsax | sheep go to heaven |
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| 16:16:04 | * | linuxstb goes to the kitchen and gets cake |
| 16:16:12 | * | bluebrother grabs a cookie |
| 16:16:19 | * | GodEater_ wishes he was near a kitchen with cake in |
| 16:16:22 | Zagor | bluebrother: true. vista is the best thing to happen to linux update :) |
| 16:16:28 | Zagor | uptake |
| 16:16:30 | sgsax | indeed |
| 16:16:38 | B4gder | upcake? ;-) |
| 16:16:45 | sgsax | note to MS: keep giving us crappier versions of windows |
| 16:16:46 | * | B4gder runs |
| 16:16:47 | bluebrother | upcookie? ;-) |
| 16:16:50 | GodEater_ | is that like upsidedown cake only smaller ? |
| 16:17:04 | petur | coming from windows, ubuntu is _just_ usable... we windows users were glad to leave cli behind us years ago :p |
| 16:17:22 | GodEater_ | point-n-click pansies :) |
| 16:17:26 | petur | linux has _a_lot_ to learn about userfriendlyness |
| 16:17:33 | bluebrother | coming from linux, cmd.exe is really an offence |
| 16:17:33 | sgsax | ubuntu isn't perfect, but they have made somethings easier |
| 16:17:49 | GodEater_ | isn't monad the thing to use now ? |
| 16:17:52 | petur | bluebrother: that's because it's a thing from the past |
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| 16:18:05 | bluebrother | "Contrary to popular belief, Unix is user friendly. It just happens to be selective about who it makes friends with." |
| 16:18:12 | GodEater_ | petur: indeed, so why did MS re-invent it in Monad then ? |
| 16:18:27 | * | Zagor spent 36 hours installing windows xp the other day |
| 16:18:33 | * | GodEater_ feels for Zagor |
| 16:18:35 | Zagor | days even :) |
| 16:18:36 | petur | bluebrother: just like calling any filemanager like that when you know windows explorer |
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| 16:19:05 | bluebrother | hehe ... I prefer konqueror way over windows explorer :) |
| 16:19:15 | Zagor | gotta love it when a newly installed system bluescreens before it even shows you the logo |
| 16:19:16 | petur | hahahahahahaha |
| 16:19:31 | bluebrother | hehe |
| 16:19:37 | petur | love konquerer and laugh at windows crashing... hahahaha |
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| 16:19:55 | jac0b | oh linux can crash too |
| 16:20:00 | petur | every time I tried konquerer it crashed within 10 minutes - crap |
| 16:20:04 | jac0b | done it before |
| 16:20:23 | * | bluebrother guesses petur used the "wrong" distro |
| 16:20:39 | amiconn | Zagor: Uh? |
| 16:20:50 | petur | linux fans are keen to blame any linux issue on the user |
| 16:21:03 | Zagor | how sure are we about the S6B33B2 in the c200? I can't get the contrast working. |
| 16:21:21 | amiconn | I am 99.8% sure |
| 16:21:29 | bluebrother | petur: sure ... who else is available to get blamed? ;-) |
| 16:21:32 | amiconn | The init sequence is a perfect match |
| 16:21:55 | Zagor | amiconn: yeah, but there are a lot of S6B3xBx variants... |
| 16:22:07 | amiconn | How are you trying to set contrast? |
| 16:22:48 | amiconn | You need to send R_CONTRAST_CONTROL1, followed by the contrast value. Both must be sent using lcd_send_command() |
| 16:22:51 | Zagor | lcd_send_command(R_CONTRAST_CONTROL1); |
| 16:22:56 | Zagor | lcd_send_command(val); |
| 16:23:00 | Zagor | nothing strange |
| 16:23:21 | amiconn | The init sequence does set the contrast this way |
| 16:23:27 | Zagor | I know |
| 16:25:04 | bluebrother | petur: I've seen linux distros that are completely broken IMO. So picking a broken distro isn't exactly like blaming the user, as finding out if something is broken usually doesn't work from looking at the CDs. |
| 16:25:27 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: yeah, that's pretty tough to do ;) |
| 16:26:03 | * | bluebrother had _really_ bad experiences with SuSE which is rather popular in germany |
| 16:26:20 | GodEater_ | though I personally prefer nautilus to konqueror - but it's all about the choice |
| 16:26:48 | * | GodEater_ never liked SuSE much either |
| 16:26:48 | petur | bluebrother: I've been looking at linux for years, trying it from time to time. Ubuntu Feisty was finally close enough to make the step. So I have seen it crash a lot with different distros |
| 16:27:09 | sgsax | bluebrother: I dunno, suse was my favorite desktop distro until ubuntu came along |
| 16:27:14 | amiconn | Zagor: What values are you setting? According to the datasheet, the contrast only actually changes every 8 steps iiuc |
| 16:27:34 | sgsax | then novell had to go and illegitimize suse |
| 16:27:52 | * | petur stops the OT talk and gets back to work |
| 16:28:34 | Zagor | amiconn: yeah I know. I tried various, including 0x20 and 0x80 |
| 16:28:35 | * | GodEater_ wishes there was "screen" for windows |
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| 16:30:08 | Zagor | I find it a bit odd that LCD_CMD is unsigned long, when the controllers' data register is 16 bits wide |
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| 16:30:39 | Zagor | still, it works in the init |
| 16:31:38 | Zagor | and flip works too, which does exactly the same sequence off-init. |
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| 16:32:40 | Zagor | that's why I thought I'd ask where we got the model number from. is it best match or has someone seen it printed somewhere on the display? |
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| 16:35:51 | sini | hey guys, i didn't know where else to turn to −− my ipod wont turn on :-( |
| 16:36:06 | bluebrother | reset the Ipod. |
| 16:36:30 | bluebrother | and make sure if it is charged −− if it isn't charge it for a looong time (a day or so, preferrably with a wall charger) |
| 16:36:31 | sini | any way in particular? It won't power up and just gives a blank lcd :D |
| 16:36:44 | sini | that long? |
| 16:36:44 | amiconn | Zagor: Best match from the init, and verified by the flip |
| 16:36:53 | sini | I had it charging for the last hour w/ a wall charger |
| 16:37:04 | amiconn | Maybe contrast doesn't work live. Did you try setting different contrast in the init? |
| 16:37:27 | bluebrother | an hour isn't enough if the battery is really flat. Plus, you might need to perform a manual reset for the Ipod to come up too. |
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| 16:37:34 | Zagor | amiconn: good point. testing. |
| 16:37:54 | GodEater_ | sini: a deep discharge of the battery normally means you need to charge (from a wall charger) for a couple of DAYS to get it back |
| 16:38:17 | sini | bluebrother: I dont know if it's working, i'm used to it giving me a little energy bolt when I plug it in, but it's still a blank screen.. is this normal? |
| 16:38:35 | bluebrother | if the battery is completely flat, yes. |
| 16:38:45 | sini | alright thanks |
| 16:39:00 | sini | it was kinda sitting in a box for a month or two >.> |
| 16:39:32 | bluebrother | I once had a really flat battery. It charged for some hours until the LCD showed anything. |
| 16:39:52 | sini | can anyone reccomend a good ipod -> fm transmitter for use with rockbox? :D |
| 16:40:06 | bluebrother | check the IpodAccessories wiki page. |
| 16:40:38 | vasp | is it possible that rockbox damaged the old ipod-software? cant seem to boot into the ipod OS again after uninstalling rockbox |
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| 16:40:57 | linuxstb | vasp: It depends how you uninstalled it, but yes, anything is possible... |
| 16:41:40 | vasp | linuxstb, used the ipodpatcher in linux |
| 16:42:29 | linuxstb | vasp: You can just download and restore the apple firmware using these instructions - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
| 16:43:09 | linuxstb | vasp: What exactly happens when you try to boot? |
| 16:44:08 | vasp | the apple-logo flashes on and off and the hard drive just spins like crazy |
| 16:44:26 | Zagor | amiconn: tried 0x80 in the init, didn't work. more testing tonight/tomorrow. |
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| 16:44:45 | linuxstb | vasp: I would first try steps 2-4 (restoring the firmware partition). |
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| 16:45:51 | vasp | okey, I'll give it a try :) |
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| 16:46:11 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | morgen |
| 16:47:28 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | is there andybody out there ? |
| 16:48:23 | * | linuxstb spots 140 people and a bot |
| 16:48:49 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | ich brach mal hilfe .. i need some help |
| 16:49:02 | B4gder | allow me to guess on an answer! |
| 16:49:10 | B4gder | the answer is... update your bootloader |
| 16:49:20 | GodEater_ | no no no - unzip to root |
| 16:49:22 | B4gder | now, please state a question |
| 16:49:24 | vasp | linuxstb, "the first partition on your ipod", is that the small one? |
| 16:49:33 | GodEater_ | vasp: yes |
| 16:49:56 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | does anyone know how to "install" wiki on rockbox? |
| 16:50:00 | vasp | okey |
| 16:50:44 | scorche|work | ThUnD3r|Gr33n: are you referring to something like a wikipedia viewer? |
| 16:51:19 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | yes |
| 16:51:40 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | i downloaded the german wikipedia file .. its a 7z file .. i dont know what to do with this file |
| 16:51:51 | bluebrother | unzip it? |
| 16:51:57 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | not able |
| 16:52:03 | B4gder | why did you download it then in the first place? |
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| 16:52:08 | bluebrother | use a proper unzip tool: http://sevenzip.sf.net |
| 16:52:08 | linuxstb | ThUnD3r|Gr33n: Where did you download it from? |
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| 16:52:22 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | o .. i don't know where :P |
| 16:52:32 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | i have winrar 4 unzippuing |
| 16:52:37 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Don't you mean use a 7zip tool? |
| 16:52:40 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | i found it on a forum |
| 16:52:49 | bluebrother | linuxstb: yep ;-) |
| 16:53:08 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | do u mean i should try to unzuip it with sevenzip? |
| 16:53:16 | bluebrother | IOW, use a zip tool that can handle 7z archives. |
| 16:53:45 | linuxstb | ThUnD3r|Gr33n: Then the forum should give instructions on how to use it - there is no wikipedia viewer in Rockbox, so you probably need some kind of unofficial version of Rockbox to use it. We can't help you with that. |
| 16:53:45 | B4gder | ... as any search on any search engine could tell in 2.3 seconds |
| 16:53:58 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | oke.. i try .. but .. i dont know how to copy this on my sansa .. and i dont know how to "install it on my mp3 player |
| 16:54:22 | * | bluebrother takes this out of the channel |
| 16:54:23 | vasp | is force-feeding the ipod the .ipsw file the same as updating it? (since there is no tool for it in linux) |
| 16:54:55 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | no .. is not an wikipedia software .. its a file .. but i dont know ... i try to unpack it with sevebzip right now |
| 16:55:08 | bluebrother | vasp: .ipdw is a zip file. Extract it first ... |
| 16:55:15 | bluebrother | ThUnD3r|Gr33n: seen my pm? |
| 16:55:35 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | pm?? |
| 16:55:36 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | no |
| 16:55:50 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | so: in the file there are two files . *.dict and |
| 16:55:51 | bluebrother | I send you a private message. |
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| 16:56:07 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | sorry PM blocked |
| 16:56:12 | vasp | bluebrother, yeah I've fixed it all now. Just wondering if the .ipdw is updated, so I can use it to update my ipod when needed |
| 16:56:37 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | /!\ bluebrother /!\ |
| 16:56:57 | bluebrother | ??? |
| 16:57:05 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | dewiki.dict and dewiki.idx |
| 16:57:06 | | Part scorche|work |
| 16:57:12 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | these are the files now i can see ;) |
| 16:57:21 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | what do i have to do with this files ?? |
| 16:57:41 | ThUnD3r|Gr33n | copy to rockbox filesystem or what should i do :P |
| 16:57:43 | bluebrother | well, as this is OT we should really discuss this in a PM. |
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| 17:01:21 | B4gder | a firmware update to the iPhone due to be released later this week "will likely result" in SIM-unlocked iPhones turning into very expensive brick" |
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| 17:01:45 | scorche|work | B4gder: yeah...apple isnt being very nice recently |
| 17:01:50 | linuxstb | B4gder: Best not to update then... |
| 17:01:55 | sgsax | think that was announced last night |
| 17:02:01 | B4gder | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070924-apple-firmware-update-likely-to-make-unlocked-iphones-permanently-inoperable.html |
| 17:02:10 | sgsax | or at least wait until somebody hacks the patch |
| 17:02:31 | linuxstb | Is the iphone worth all this hassle? |
| 17:02:36 | B4gder | I doubt it |
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| 17:03:04 | B4gder | time to run |
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| 17:03:29 | scorche|work | linuxstb: well, the one thing where i have to give it credit compared to the competition, is the web browser...but this is getting close to -community... |
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| 17:13:09 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: no, i definatly was running a bootloader which could boot from microsd |
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| 17:16:06 | teeps | heyhey |
| 17:16:13 | teeps | so, quick question |
| 17:16:36 | teeps | im trying to install rockbox using the utility and its telling me 'no ipods found' |
| 17:16:51 | teeps | im thinking i need to install itunes? |
| 17:16:53 | bluebrother | are you running it as root / administrator? |
| 17:17:07 | teeps | hmm nope hang on |
| 17:17:09 | linuxstb | teeps: No, you definitely don't need to install itunes. |
| 17:17:22 | bluebrother | and have you closed Itunes, enabled the "disc access" thingy in Itunes and killed ipodservice.exe? |
| 17:17:30 | teeps | ok runnning as administrator doesnt work still |
| 17:17:37 | teeps | i definately dont have itunes installed right now |
| 17:18:16 | linuxstb | teeps: Which ipod is it? |
| 17:18:23 | bluebrother | does your Ipod appear as drive? |
| 17:18:50 | teeps | 4th gen colour |
| 17:18:51 | teeps | yes it does |
| 17:19:45 | scorche|work | this debate over the apple/voiding iphone warranties i seeming to |
| 17:20:05 | scorche|work | *is seeming to out a lot of stuff that can show they cant void for rockbox too |
| 17:20:35 | linuxstb | teeps: Which version of Windows are you running? |
| 17:20:44 | teeps | vista |
| 17:21:15 | bluebrother | might be this UAC thingy |
| 17:21:23 | linuxstb | That could be the issue - do you have UAC enabled? Rockbox Utility requires low-level hardware access which UAC may be blocking. |
| 17:21:33 | teeps | uac is disabled |
| 17:21:48 | linuxstb | You could try ipodpatcher, see if that works... |
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| 17:22:24 | teeps | where can i grab that |
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| 17:23:14 | linuxstb | See the links in the install section in the manual. |
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| 17:23:33 | teeps | ok cheers |
| 17:23:40 | teeps | im gonna try restarting my comp as well |
| 17:23:43 | teeps | be back in a bit |
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| 17:33:18 | teeps | ok im totally back |
| 17:33:32 | GodEater_ | not just partially. Oh good. |
| 17:33:42 | teeps | ^_^ |
| 17:33:45 | teeps | ok so it turns out |
| 17:33:49 | teeps | i can install rockbox |
| 17:33:53 | teeps | but not the bootloader |
| 17:34:12 | GodEater_ | it's not much use without the bootloader |
| 17:34:24 | teeps | my thoughts exactly |
| 17:34:31 | teeps | is there a way i can manually install the bootloader |
| 17:34:41 | GodEater_ | did you try ipodpatcher yet ? |
| 17:34:59 | teeps | not yet no |
| 17:35:03 | teeps | ill give that a whirl now |
| 17:35:20 | bluebrother | ipodpatcher is the manual way of installing the bootloader ;-) |
| 17:35:35 | teeps | oh sweet |
| 17:35:39 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I could offer more manual ways if you want... |
| 17:36:08 | bluebrother | hehe ;-) |
| 17:36:11 | * | linuxstb tries to remember ipod_fw and dd |
| 17:36:28 | bluebrother | like the old ipod_fw thingy we had previously? |
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| 17:36:43 | bluebrother | linuxstb: just check the old manual version from svn ;-) |
| 17:36:53 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I would rather not... |
| 17:36:55 | teeps | ok so |
| 17:37:01 | teeps | ipod patcher totally worked sweet |
| 17:37:03 | teeps | looking good |
| 17:37:05 | teeps | thanks a lot fellas |
| 17:37:31 | linuxstb | That's very odd - Rockbox Utility should be using identical code to ipodpatcher... |
| 17:37:33 | GodEater_ | valley girl english from a .au resident. |
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| 17:38:02 | bluebrother | I guess it's related to the fact that rbutil is a GUI application |
| 17:39:12 | bluebrother | could be related to the manifest thingy used in ipodpatcher |
| 17:39:21 | linuxstb | That's not used in the current binaries |
| 17:39:32 | linuxstb | (it was committed after the last release) |
| 17:39:41 | bluebrother | right, the update was only for sansapatcher ... |
| 17:40:00 | linuxstb | Which I guess should also use the manifest thingy... |
| 17:40:25 | tictoc | is that sansa usb connect bug fixed? |
| 17:40:40 | linuxstb | What sansa usb connect bug? |
| 17:40:46 | bluebrother | what connect bug? Rockbox doesn't has usb on the sansa at all |
| 17:41:05 | GodEater_ | would be tricky to have a bug with something which doesnt' exist |
| 17:41:37 | tictoc | when you connect the usb cable it boots the original firmware before rockbox |
| 17:41:48 | tictoc | yeha? |
| 17:41:57 | tictoc | thats the 'bug' i guess |
| 17:42:17 | bluebrother | then it's a lacking feature rather than a bug. |
| 17:42:19 | linuxstb | You mean the fact that Rockbox doesn't have its own USB transfer mode? |
| 17:42:58 | linuxstb | If your question is "Does Rockbox have its own USB mode on the Sansa?", the answer is "No.'. |
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| 17:43:25 | tictoc | that's my question. |
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| 17:44:08 | bluebrother | asking about something as a bug but meaning a feature isn't quite a good way to get a good answer ... |
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| 17:55:25 | ralfonso | my install is scanning the disk a LOT to find the next track metadata. am I missing a setting somewhere? |
| 17:57:39 | bluebrother | ralfonso: sure it's not buffering? |
| 17:58:23 | ralfonso | no, it was scanning the disk for the duration of the song and still not finding the metadata. fixed with reboot though. |
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| 17:58:50 | bluebrother | have you tried with a current build? |
| 17:59:10 | ralfonso | yes. it's working fine now after reboot. |
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| 18:00:37 | tictoc | i wasnt terribly sure it wasnt a bug after all |
| 18:04:14 | preglow | linuxstb: did you check out the hw eq removal patch? |
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| 18:48:49 | |Rain| | Are there any known issues with the bootloader and gcc 4.2.1 (on arm, the sansa e200 port)? I know it's newer than the version used for the 'official' builds, but I haven't had major problems with rockbox (the application-y bits) compiled with it; however, I compiled a new bootloader, and it claims it can't find rockbox.mi4 (file not found), though it's clearly there in /.rockbox if I boot the stock fw |
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| 19:12:04 | petur | Bagder: better not install the latest WordPress for your blog (see /.) |
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| 19:15:06 | nls_ | |Rain|: I doubt that anyone has installed it but yes a different compiler could cause all sorts of strange behaviour |
| 19:20:00 | |Rain| | most of the reason I ask is because I'm wondering whether I should start debugging on the premise it's a gcc bug or the premise that it's a rockbox bug (or whether I should toss gcc 4.2 for now and compile 4.1) |
| 19:20:56 | nls_ | |Rain|: you could download the official bootloader and see if that works... |
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| 19:21:38 | |Rain| | it was working before I tried installing the version I compiled |
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| 19:29:32 | nls_ | |Rain|: well, then it seems like either a compiler quirk or a rockbox quirk that happen to work with the earlier compiler... |
| 19:33:48 | |Rain| | right. I was just hoping someone else already had similar experiences to save me some time :P |
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| 19:37:49 | Hukt0nWax | hello? |
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| 19:44:43 | nls_ | 'lo |
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| 19:49:41 | Hukt0nWax | what vid formats are supported on an ipod? |
| 19:50:10 | bluebrother | mpeg2 |
| 19:50:22 | nls_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginMpegplayer |
| 19:50:24 | scorche|work | under rockbox, at least |
| 19:50:40 | fxb | http://www.apple.com/ipodclassic/specs.html for apple firmware. |
| 19:50:42 | Hukt0nWax | some dude at radio shack told me about this place the other day :D |
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| 19:54:52 | Hukt0nWax | cool thanks |
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| 20:07:36 | XavierGr | GodEater: thanks for the comment on monad (powershell) wonderfull shell for windows |
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| 20:12:11 | jepler | is anything known about the bottom connector on the sansa e200-series? There sure are a lot more pins than required for USB... |
| 20:16:40 | desowin | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortPinAssignments |
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| 20:17:55 | amiconn | yay, back via new router :) |
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| 20:19:36 | jepler | Web Search |
| 20:19:36 | jepler | Search: video |
| 20:19:47 | jepler | oops .. sorry .. and thanks desowin |
| 20:22:43 | xoring | Bagder: on the forum you said "1. Get SVN sources for 2007-07-31 2. Apply the R model bootloader keys ... from a recent source" but the SVN sources from that date already contain the same Rhapsody key in bootloader/main-pp.c as the current bootloader/main-pp.c in trunk/ |
| 20:24:17 | xoring | I'm trying the 2007-07-31 sources now (or actually, setting up the build env now)... should I be using older sources? |
| 20:24:51 | sini | okay, so my ipod completely died −− i tried to plug it into my powerbook earlier, and it showed the charging thing at nearly empty −− it died, and never mounted. I got my wall charger, and plugged the usb cable into it and it's been charging for 5 hours now |
| 20:24:59 | sini | It still wont turn on |
| 20:25:06 | sini | What do I do? |
| 20:25:22 | scorche|work | let it sit on the wall charger for a much longer time |
| 20:25:30 | sini | :( |
| 20:25:47 | nls_ | amiconn: I got no buffer misses with that test midi file so I increased MAX_VOICES 20 -> 24, got a few buffer misses, enabled -O2 and it plays fine again :-) |
| 20:25:53 | scorche|work | or i can buy a "dead device" off you for $10 =) |
| 20:25:54 | sini | that's kinda ridiculous, really? any idea why it does this? |
| 20:26:07 | amiconn | nls_: eh? Very odd... |
| 20:26:27 | amiconn | Did you try with the remote plugged? |
| 20:26:59 | xoring | sini: how old is the battery? maybe it's not holding a charge anymore |
| 20:27:20 | nls_ | amiconn: I don't have an lcd remote and I think I lost my non-lcd remote, but I could look for it if it would make a difference |
| 20:27:27 | sini | xoring I don't know −− I got it a week before the ipod video launched, but I've probably only used it about 30 times |
| 20:27:46 | amiconn | nls_: The lcd remote makes a big difference in what midis trigger buffer misses |
| 20:27:56 | scorche|work | xoring: no...it is just something the ipods do... |
| 20:28:08 | amiconn | I only have an lcd remote, no simple remote |
| 20:28:48 | sini | is there any way I can get it to boot so I can continue charging it by USB? |
| 20:28:49 | nls_ | amiconn: then could you try building the plugin with -O2 it should help quite a bit |
| 20:29:44 | nls_ | sini: after it has charged enough you will have to hard reset it with Menu+Select and it should start |
| 20:30:02 | sini | alright |
| 20:30:30 | sini | that worked nls |
| 20:30:38 | sini | i thought it was menu play for some reason |
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| 20:32:03 | nls_ | also any pp based player users want to try different -O levels with midiplay? |
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| 20:35:15 | nls_ | wow gcc produced smaller code for the mpidi plugin with -O2 I have never seen that before... |
| 20:35:19 | Hukt0nWax | is there a reason why the playback plays the same track twice instead of going to the next track on the list? |
| 20:35:28 | amiconn | PP has even more problems iirc (tried it once on mini g2) |
| 20:37:29 | xoring | does the '../tools/configure && make' routine build the bootloader as well? |
| 20:37:58 | nls_ | Well it would be nice if anyone could try it out on pp, -O2 definitely makes it faster on coldfire |
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| 20:38:24 | scorche|work | xoring: if you specify that in the configure option |
| 20:41:24 | xoring | scorche|work: what is the correct option for the configure script? |
| 20:43:26 | xoring | oh, nevermind, I see it |
| 20:43:48 | amiconn | tsss tsss |
| 20:44:02 | * | amiconn was just reading the latest GoldenQuotes addition... |
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| 20:44:59 | amiconn | nls_: I'll try it soon, also on PP5002 |
| 20:45:00 | nls_ | heh, yeah tha's a good one :-) I guess we should do all the extra work... |
| 20:45:19 | nls_ | amiconn: nice :-) |
| 20:46:26 | jepler | is there a key to the symbols shown at the top of the display in the latest builds for e200? I looked through the manuals I could find but this didn't seem to be mentioned. Does the last icon indicate "disk activity"? |
| 20:46:34 | jepler | (it's like a circle divided into quadrants) |
| 20:46:46 | nls_ | yes it does |
| 20:52:23 | jepler | I am not entirely sure what steps I'm supposed to take after adding/removing music, but after filling the flash almost completely I ran Database > Initialize Now. The icon in the corner was on for over an hour, and most functions were slow to respond - playback skilled frequently. I mounted it again, removed the .tcd files and the doom .pak files to clear some space, and the next Database > Initialize Now finished fairly quickly (the activity light |
| 20:52:45 | jepler | I'm tempted to conclude that it wasn't dealing gracefully with the disk being full, but I am not sure whether this is the right conclusion to draw... |
| 20:52:55 | jepler | er, "playback skipped frequently" |
| 20:53:44 | nls_ | if your disk was really _full_ as in not even a few megs left it might be a problem but no that doesn't sound right |
| 20:54:17 | jepler | *after* removing the files I mentioned, |
| 20:54:19 | jepler | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 20:54:19 | jepler | /dev/sda1 5857812 5852880 4932 100% /media/sda1 |
| 20:54:22 | jepler | about 5 megs free |
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| 20:56:07 | nls_ | jepler: but the database works fine now? |
| 20:57:08 | jepler | nls_: yes, after those steps I outlined above my database is working |
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| 20:58:04 | jepler | after copying new music onto the device, what are the steps I should take to make it show up in the database? |
| 20:58:32 | nls_ | so it could have been an error becuse the disk was full... I think the database files take up a few megs but dunno about temp files and what it does when the disk is ful... |
| 20:59:06 | nls_ | jepler: either you have auto update enabled and do nothing or you update the database, also you read the manual ;-) |
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| 21:00:52 | soundoutlight | hello |
| 21:01:01 | jepler | nls_: indeed, I'm sure reading them more would help |
| 21:01:56 | nls_ | Slasheri: do you know what the database code does if the disk is full when initializing? |
| 21:03:17 | soundoutlight | im a bit of a newby with rockbox..is there a decent web resource for questions?? everything i find is kind of vague..having problems getting themes to work corectly (no graphics display on the "now playing" screen. only get the theme backdrop and generic volume meters, time counters |
| 21:03:45 | nls_ | soundoutlight: the rockbox.org page might be interesting |
| 21:04:20 | nls_ | but your issue is probably from using a theme that requires an unofficial build with an official build or an old outdated broken theme |
| 21:04:25 | soundoutlight | nls_, yes i figured that much. im having a hard time nailing down an answer to that question..searched the forums, etc |
| 21:04:54 | nls_ | so check wherever you downloaded the theme if it says that it requires build x or patch z |
| 21:05:41 | soundoutlight | nls_, thanks..also, when downloading a patch file, where do i install it on my ipod? and is there anything else i need to do in order for the patch to work? |
| 21:06:10 | nls_ | you don't install it, you download the source, apply the patch to it and compile |
| 21:06:44 | soundoutlight | nls_, i dont follow.. |
| 21:06:51 | Hukt0nWax | im so confused on this video encoding |
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| 21:07:23 | Hukt0nWax | does this support just str8 mpeg, mpg, or avi? |
| 21:07:39 | nls_ | mpeg1 and 2 |
| 21:07:40 | Hukt0nWax | or do i have to re-encode everything to load vids? |
| 21:07:47 | markun | yes |
| 21:07:51 | Hukt0nWax | torrents here i come :D |
| 21:07:56 | nls_ | avi is not a video codec and mpg==mpeg |
| 21:08:26 | markun | nls_: which can also also be a name for a container :) |
| 21:08:28 | Hukt0nWax | lame most of my movies are already encoded as .avi |
| 21:08:32 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 21:08:45 | markun | again: avi is not a codec |
| 21:08:59 | Hukt0nWax | true |
| 21:09:01 | nls_ | markun: yes of course ;-) |
| 21:09:38 | markun | Hukt0nWax: but I guess most are some form of mpeg4, right? (xvid, divx5) |
| 21:09:47 | Hukt0nWax | yeah |
| 21:10:14 | kugel | so can I use mpg2 vids in a avi container? |
| 21:10:25 | Hukt0nWax | is there a way to load a different vid prog on the ipod seperately since in a way it is an "os" perhaps? |
| 21:10:53 | nls_ | kugel: sure, but not in rockbox :-) |
| 21:11:00 | hcs | Hukt0nWax: sure, the mpeg player itself is a plugin |
| 21:11:24 | nls_ | Hukt0nWax: you just have to create one |
| 21:11:37 | hcs | well, yes, there's the rub |
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| 21:23:34 | Slasheri | nls_: no idea, it probably fails with a write failure and aborts |
| 21:24:48 | nls_ | hmm, maybe a nice message could be added so that users know what's going on... |
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| 21:26:50 | fm2 | linuxstb: ping |
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| 21:27:19 | Eviljudista | hi all |
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| 21:27:34 | Eviljudista | pls can u help me? |
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| 21:27:48 | * | nls_ polishes crystal ball |
| 21:28:05 | pixelma | maybe, maybe not... depends on the question/problem... |
| 21:28:55 | Eviljudista | i only want to ask, will be there any release or completly new program, that will work on iPOD Classic, G6? |
| 21:29:10 | DefineByte | 0_0 |
| 21:29:13 | Zagor | Eviljudista: not likely |
| 21:29:57 | Eviljudista | and dont u know about some emulator, what will work on G6? |
| 21:30:28 | Zagor | apple has made a very determined effort to prevent _any_ non-apple firmware to run on their new ipods |
| 21:32:05 | fm2 | I have a question about the gcc options. I'd like to preserve the preprocessed files. Specifically, those in apps dir. I appended -save-temps to CFLAGS that is in apps/Makefile but see no .i files after build. An example of gcc call is at http://www.pastebin.ca/713885 What am I doing wrong? |
| 21:32:33 | Zagor | fm2: still looking for pp magic? :) |
| 21:32:43 | fm2 | Zagor: yes :-) |
| 21:32:59 | fm2 | Zagor: sometimes magic is the best way! |
| 21:33:57 | fm2 | On the internet, I've found an example where -save-temps is *after* -c. But -c seems to be included somewhere else, i.e. not by the Makefile I modified. |
| 21:34:20 | fm2 | E.g. here: http://www.network-theory.co.uk/docs/gccintro/gccintro_36.html |
| 21:34:57 | LqR_ | I've got two questions about the Sansa e200 port: 1) is it possible to reboot it in the original firmware and 2) why doesn't it show up as a storage device when I insert the USB plug with rockbox booted? |
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| 21:36:29 | fm2 | LqR_: re 2) USB isn't yet implemented in RB, so it's the expected behaviour |
| 21:37:09 | Zagor | LqR_: simply boot it with usb connected, that will load OF and enter usb mode |
| 21:37:18 | fm2 | LqR_: re 1) yes. Hold the right button while turning the dap on |
| 21:39:37 | nls_ | fm2: I get a lot of .s files when using -save-temps but no .i files |
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| 21:40:36 | fm2 | nls_: where are they? In build/apps, I only have .o and nothing else. No .i, no .s |
| 21:40:57 | LqR_ | Zagor: I figured that |
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| 21:41:14 | Zagor | fm2: add -save-temps to GCCOPTS in your Makefile (where you ran configure) |
| 21:41:23 | nls_ | fm2: I added the switch to the genereated Makefile in my build dir and got the .s files where the source files are |
| 21:41:23 | Zagor | no need to change each Makefile |
| 21:41:31 | fm2 | nls_: how did you do that? What is the command in the end (call it with make V=1) |
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| 21:42:05 | Zagor | fm2: i get for example firmware/lcd-c200.i and firmware/lcd-c200.s |
| 21:42:07 | nls_ | fm2: add it to the end of the line that begins with "export GCCOPTS" |
| 21:42:31 | Zagor | so they are not always written in the same dir as the .c or .o files |
| 21:42:31 | fm2 | Zagor: that would have effect an all files, right? Even codecs, plugins etc? I'm only interested in those in apps, so apps/Makefile would be the best place... if it would only work! |
| 21:43:05 | Zagor | fm2: build everyting without the flag, then add the flag and remove the .o files you want pp output for, and run make again |
| 21:43:10 | preglow | Lear: what's this patch i hear about? |
| 21:44:22 | Lear | preglow: You mean this one: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewfile/Main/CrossCompiler?rev=1;filename=gcc-3.4.6-rockbox-2.diff |
| 21:45:01 | Lear | A little better code for m68k. |
| 21:45:12 | fm2 | Zagor, nls_: are the .i and .s files in build/apps? I.e. the same dir as .o? |
| 21:45:26 | preglow | Lear: any reason we don't use it? |
| 21:45:30 | Zagor | fm2: not necessarily. you'd better just search for them... |
| 21:46:01 | Lear | preglow: "we" refers to...? |
| 21:46:12 | amiconn | Zagor: Btw, is there a reason why the tempfiles end up in the source tree instead of the build (sub-)dir ? |
| 21:47:12 | fm2 | Zagor: but somewhere under build? |
| 21:47:34 | Zagor | amiconn: no, it's just not fixed because we normally don't keep tempfiles I guess |
| 21:47:36 | nls_ | fm2: mine turned up in the source tree |
| 21:47:46 | fm2 | amiconn: ah, they are in the source tree! That I hadn't expect! Now I see them! |
| 21:49:44 | preglow | Lear: official builds |
| 21:50:17 | * | amiconn prepares test |
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| 21:51:01 | fm2 | I'd rather put them under build dir. Now just to find the right option out of the thousand... |
| 21:51:03 | Lear | preglow: Don't know. I put it on the CrossCompiler page so it could be used... |
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| 21:51:46 | amiconn | fm2: I think that gcc puts the tempfiles into the current dir. |
| 21:52:31 | amiconn | So changing the behaviour in the rockbox build system means that 'make' would need to traverse the build tree instead of the source tree, and hence reference the source using path |
| 21:52:46 | amiconn | Not sure how much work that would be, but it's certainly not trivial |
| 21:53:32 | fm2 | amiconn: current as for the caller? |
| 21:53:53 | preglow | Lear: what code changes does it result in? |
| 21:55:36 | przemhb | Hi |
| 21:55:46 | Lear | preglow: Main change is in array indexing. Rather than shifts and adds, a multiply is used. Reduces bin size noticeably. |
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| 21:57:56 | Zagor | Lear: add it to tools/rockboxdev.sh |
| 21:58:41 | Zagor | possibly merging with the x86_64 patch first |
| 21:58:42 | amiconn | nls_: There's something really fishy regarding the remote and midiplay |
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| 21:59:21 | amiconn | I get no buffer miss on H1x0 if the remote is absent, or if the remote is already plugged when starting the plugin |
| 21:59:36 | Drag0nir | is anyone knowing if there is a special Iriver H10 room? |
| 21:59:43 | amiconn | But if I plug the remote while midi is already playing, I get ~1 buffer miss per second |
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| 22:00:01 | amiconn | Also, the remote backlight doesn't turn off until I stop the midi |
| 22:00:12 | amiconn | I guess that midiplay doesn't yield properly |
| 22:00:22 | Zagor | Drag0nir: I doubt it |
| 22:00:55 | preglow | Lear: performance is affected any ways?= |
| 22:01:14 | nls_ | amiconn: it does a pretty strange thing in the sim too, doesn't print any text at all until it is exited then it prints everything to the console but no lcd updates whtsoever |
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| 22:01:53 | amiconn | Oddly enough, this does *not* happen on H300 ?!?! |
| 22:01:56 | Lear | preglow: Haven't measured anything, but by instruction timing it ought to be same or possibly a little faster. |
| 22:02:24 | przemhb | how would you suggest checking which port and pins are assigned to SDA SCL for FM radio on H10? |
| 22:02:31 | amiconn | Btw, all these tests are "baseline", i.e. plain svn |
| 22:03:12 | amiconn | Mini G2 fires dozens of buffer misses per second |
| 22:03:34 | amiconn | It's plain unusable |
| 22:04:09 | Lear | Zagor: There's another m68k patch too... |
| 22:04:25 | Zagor | yes, for mac and cygwin |
| 22:05:33 | petur | fm2: now what was your problem with cygwin and tortoisesvn? I just ran genlang without problems |
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| 22:06:00 | amiconn | Same on 2nd gen, even worse |
| 22:06:01 | nls_ | amiconn: I don't understand why the remote should affect it so much anyway |
| 22:06:43 | fm2 | He-he! I now see that the menu macros (in menu.c) all have an extra semicolon at the end that shouldn't be there. Since when the macros are used, a ; is put at the end once again! |
| 22:07:01 | petur | fm2: now what was your problem with cygwin and tortoisesvn? I just ran genlang without problems |
| 22:07:24 | * | petur excuses for the echo ;) |
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| 22:08:02 | fm2 | petur: it's weird. I installed cygwin with DOS lineendings. ls > xxx.out produces DOS lfs, but make produces UNIX LFs. |
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| 22:09:27 | fm2 | Actually, not make but the result of make | tee contains UNIX LFs |
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| 22:09:35 | nls_ | amiconn: -O2 makes the plugin smaller for arm too, so it could help a bit |
| 22:09:52 | nls_ | with the pp being sensitive to code size |
| 22:10:24 | amiconn | eh |
| 22:10:26 | petur | fm2: let me try... what exactly are you entering on the commandline? |
| 22:10:30 | fm2 | amiconn: a question to you as a purist: shouldn't the semicolons at the end of menu macros be removed? Now they produce something like static int x=5;; (note the two ;;) |
| 22:10:37 | amiconn | nls_: Why are we building with -Os for coldfire?? |
| 22:10:58 | fm2 | petur: test1: ls > ls_out.txt |
| 22:11:17 | amiconn | ...and just -O for PP ... |
| 22:11:24 | fm2 | petur: test2: make V=1 | tee make_out.txt |
| 22:11:25 | nls_ | amiconn: because it uses the same O as the main build because we don't set it in the plugin makefile yet |
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| 22:11:46 | amiconn | I am talking about the main build... |
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| 22:12:01 | petur | fm2: "ls > ls_out.txt" gives a file with dos line-endings |
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| 22:12:54 | nls_ | amiconn: well, for coldfire in the places I have seen it makes code slightly faster and smaller too, arm could probably benefit more but I don't have an arm target |
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| 22:13:40 | nls_ | granted that benchmarking anything but codecs in rockbox is not a very exact science... |
| 22:13:44 | amiconn | The effect of plugging the remote while playing midi on H1x0 doesn't change |
| 22:14:04 | amiconn | Btw, the backlight does switch off, but later than it should |
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| 22:14:46 | RaZorbacK | hi, could someone explain me wy sometimes we have to use patch -0, -p1 or so on. for instance, only patch -p1 is working today why ? |
| 22:14:55 | amiconn | nls_: The plugin gets slightly larger with -O2 for coldfire |
| 22:15:10 | amiconn | 13438->14134 bytes for H300 |
| 22:15:19 | RaZorbacK | i'm patching from the root source |
| 22:15:29 | petur | fm2: the make_out.txt file is <LF> only (and my build failed) |
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| 22:17:33 | nls_ | ah right I have lears patch in my gcc, Os produces 15074 and O2 14126 .... |
| 22:17:39 | * | fm2 is back |
| 22:17:50 | amiconn | Eh? |
| 22:17:52 | fm2 | petur: yes, the output of make is LF only. |
| 22:17:56 | amiconn | Then that patch is fishy... |
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| 22:18:54 | fm2 | petur: and my build failed too until I fixed the LFs in apps/features (changed then to UNIX) |
| 22:19:30 | nls_ | amiconn: doh, I had some change in my main makefile which was changed to regular -O, sorry for the confusion :-/ |
| 22:19:41 | amiconn | eurgh |
| 22:19:54 | amiconn | -O2 makes things *a lot* worse for PP502x |
| 22:20:15 | petur | fm2: last time I build under windows it worked, so what changed that it doesn't now? |
| 22:20:55 | jepler | RaZorbacK: The number in -p1 means "how many directories to strip from the filenames shown in the patch file"; the correct value depends on the way the diff was made. |
| 22:21:56 | jepler | For example, if you have project/src/main.c and the patch says src/main, you would use "-p0" from inside the project/ directory. If it says mumble/src/main, you would use "p1" from inside the project/ directory |
| 22:22:04 | fm2 | petur: the problem for me was that the (automatically generated) file build/apps/features had DOS lfs. A shell script couldn't eat that. I changed the lfs to UNIX and all wentthrough. Other files (.c, Makefile etc) have DOS lfs |
| 22:22:27 | RaZorbacK | jepler: but is the result the same or some strings are skipped? there're no errors but is there a way to verify the diff has been applied successfully ? |
| 22:22:51 | fm2 | petur: I don't know what changed. You know, sometimes it just happens... noone knows :-) |
| 22:22:52 | amiconn | nls_: With -O2 on PP502x, it throws so many buffer misses that playback is only around half realtime, and there's more static than music |
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| 22:23:30 | petur | fm2: strange, features.txt as unix line-endings here |
| 22:23:30 | amiconn | Same as with svn, only that with svn playback speed is a bit higher (but not realtime either) |
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| 22:23:44 | amiconn | So, midiplay is unusable on anything PP |
| 22:23:48 | jepler | RaZorbacK: If you use the wrong -p argument, the target file won't be found and patch will give you an error. It is fairly unlikely that a patch would succeed when applied from the wrong location or with a wrong -p argument. |
| 22:23:52 | nls_ | amiconn: hmm, that's bad, does -Os make it better? |
| 22:24:17 | jepler | something like "can't find file to patch at input line 3" "Perhaps you used the wrong -p or −−strip option?" |
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| 22:25:07 | RaZorbacK | yes but when i have this warning , the patching process seems to be stopped, it is waiting for a file to patch |
| 22:25:08 | nls_ | amiconn: also does iram help pp anything as midiplay doesn't use it alot |
| 22:25:34 | amiconn | iram helps on PP5002; on PP502x it's neglectible |
| 22:25:37 | * | petur ties a rope around fm2 so he can't run off every 5 minutes |
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| 22:25:43 | RaZorbacK | *but when i use the -p1 everything is ok, no errors . but in testing, i noticed some missing strings in my lang files |
| 22:25:53 | amiconn | (sometimes even makes the code a bit slower due to the necessary longcalls) |
| 22:26:28 | amiconn | eh3? |
| 22:26:36 | jepler | RaZorbacK: I'm not familiar enough with rockbox development to speak to that |
| 22:26:39 | amiconn | -Os makes the plugin _larger_ than -O2 |
| 22:26:50 | RaZorbacK | jepler: thanks anyway :) |
| 22:26:55 | amiconn | On arm, that is, without any gcc patches |
| 22:27:21 | amiconn | umm, ignore me |
| 22:27:41 | * | amiconn confused the 1000s from the coldfire build with the arm build |
| 22:28:15 | RaZorbacK | is there a command to undo the last done operation? i don't mean svn revert -R . |
| 22:28:21 | amiconn | nls_: -Os is even worse... |
| 22:28:51 | nls_ | amiconn: I guess we are out of luck then, only real optimizing left... |
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| 22:29:23 | amiconn | Well, from my experience those -O options never yield more than a few percent |
| 22:29:33 | amiconn | And it seems that we're quite far from realtime on PP |
| 22:31:06 | nls_ | maybe we should use fewer voices for pp then... |
| 22:31:43 | nls_ | ah, we use 44.1kHz for pp and 22kHz sample rate for coldfire, that probably makes a bit of difference |
| 22:32:09 | amiconn | I am somewhat puzzled by the vastly differing behaviour: e.g. midiplay and libmad are very efficient on coldfire, but struggle on arm (PP) |
| 22:32:42 | amiconn | We can't use 22kHz on ipods, as the WM* codecs don't support that sampling rate |
| 22:33:02 | amiconn | (and we have no samplerate setup code in place for WM* codecs afaik) |
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| 22:33:37 | nls_ | yes, I know but it probably makes it a fair bit slower |
| 22:33:48 | amiconn | And mpegplayer is the opposite - very efficient on arm, but struggles like hell on coldfire |
| 22:36:34 | Zagor | does system_reboot() work on the ipods? |
| 22:36:46 | Zagor | specifically nano g2 |
| 22:36:52 | preglow | nano g2??? |
| 22:37:01 | obo | it works on the 5g |
| 22:37:01 | Zagor | mini g2, sorry |
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| 22:37:31 | Zagor | is just hangs on my c200 |
| 22:37:48 | Zagor | quite annoying |
| 22:37:50 | obo | I don't think it works on e200s either |
| 22:38:18 | Zagor | anyone with a mini g2 around? |
| 22:38:38 | Zagor | DeviceChart says it has the same chip as the c200 |
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| 22:39:11 | Bagder | Zagor: that's not for sure though |
| 22:39:16 | Bagder | the c200 isn't marked |
| 22:39:21 | Bagder | the c200 one |
| 22:39:21 | Zagor | aha |
| 22:40:18 | Bagder | I don't remember if they actually read out the same id from the magic PP regs |
| 22:40:31 | Zagor | "view hw info" says pp5022c |
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| 22:43:33 | bluebrother | Bagder: just noticed that eigma has still no realname in the 4weeks table |
| 22:43:43 | Bagder | ah |
| 22:44:00 | Zagor | right, we use different scripts for the frontpage stuff and the long lists |
| 22:44:19 | amiconn | Zagor: system_reboot() works on all ipods |
| 22:44:32 | amiconn | And I can confirm that it works on mini g2 |
| 22:44:45 | Zagor | amiconn: ok, thanks. I wonder what's stopping it on the sansas |
| 22:44:54 | Bagder | does the mini g2 say "PP5022c" ? |
| 22:44:57 | amiconn | What happens? |
| 22:45:05 | amiconn | Bagder: No. PP5022B |
| 22:45:06 | Zagor | amiconn: it hangs |
| 22:45:12 | Bagder | aha, thanks |
| 22:45:40 | amiconn | The newer ipods (video, nano) say PP5022C |
| 22:45:42 | tumu | hmm, any reason why gcc builtins are disabled in makefiles? |
| 22:45:53 | amiconn | But those chips are labeled PP5021 - confusing, eh? |
| 22:46:01 | Bagder | indeed |
| 22:46:14 | amiconn | My guess is that the PP5021 is just a PP5022 that doesn't meet the full specs (i.e. 100MHz) |
| 22:46:16 | Bagder | but the c200 PP _looks_ very much like the nano 1st gen |
| 22:46:34 | tumu | on normal builds, -ffreestanding disables them and on sim, -fno-builtin is used |
| 22:47:21 | Zagor | tumu: because we want our own code |
| 22:47:35 | tumu | own code? |
| 22:47:43 | amiconn | Zagor: I gues that the PP reset works, but the sansa probably need some other components reset as well |
| 22:47:58 | tumu | what code would that be? rockbox doesn't include much |
| 22:48:06 | Zagor | yes, our own memcpy etc instead of gcc builtins. unless I confuse your questions. |
| 22:48:09 | Bagder | tumu: we use freestanding because we don't have any libc nor libgcc |
| 22:48:37 | tumu | Zagor, one could disable built-ins for those particular functions instead of everything |
| 22:48:43 | Zagor | amiconn: sounds plausible |
| 22:48:52 | amiconn | I think that will require diving into OF disaseemblies... |
| 22:49:06 | Zagor | tumu: why? |
| 22:49:10 | Bagder | tumu: feel free to post patches that improve things, if that's what you're saying we can do |
| 22:49:31 | tumu | Zagor, why? so i don't have to include duplicate sources for things available as built-ins? |
| 22:49:43 | Bagder | uh like what? |
| 22:49:51 | tumu | like some math functions |
| 22:49:55 | Bagder | we don't want things pulled in |
| 22:49:59 | preglow | what math functions do you need? |
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| 22:50:04 | preglow | we don't do floating point, so there aren't many |
| 22:50:14 | Zagor | that's exactly why we don't want to use big libs. |
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| 22:50:32 | nls_ | tumu: you can still use the builtins by calling them explicitly |
| 22:50:42 | muesliii | sorry for asking but was there a new bootloader for h3xx released in the last 6months? |
| 22:50:44 | amiconn | tumu: "-ffreestanding: Assert that compilation takes place in a freestanding environment. This implies -fno-builtin. A freestanding environment is one in which the standard library may not exist, and program startup may not necessarily be at main. The most obvious example is an OS kernel. This is equivalent to -fno-hosted." |
| 22:50:59 | amiconn | And rockbox is an OS kernel... |
| 22:51:05 | nls_ | muesliii: nope |
| 22:51:21 | muesliii | oki.. |
| 22:51:40 | nls_ | tumu: see for example the EXPECT macro in apps/codecs/Tremor/misc.h |
| 22:51:41 | tumu | nls, i could do that |
| 22:51:52 | muesliii | is it possible to fully flash h300? |
| 22:52:03 | tumu | nls, but i was just curious overall |
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| 22:52:18 | tumu | if it was some sort of mishap in the makefiles |
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| 22:55:14 | Nico_P | muesliii: no |
| 22:55:29 | amiconn | Zagor: Why not c200,gigabeatf: "Button Light Timeout" ? |
| 22:55:46 | amiconn | </nitpick_mode> |
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| 22:56:15 | Zagor | I simply didn't know the syntax |
| 22:56:35 | pixelma | or c200,e200 in the last spot |
| 22:56:47 | pixelma | nah |
| 22:56:56 | * | pixelma can't read |
| 22:57:02 | Zagor | fixing |
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| 23:00:32 | mmicrosys | Hello all |
| 23:00:42 | amiconn | Zagor: So the function was already prepared, just not enabled? |
| 23:00:58 | Zagor | button light? yes |
| 23:01:04 | * | amiconn thinks those button light functions are in need of a consistency renaming raid |
| 23:01:31 | amiconn | Some are called button_backlight_*, some others buttonlight_* |
| 23:01:33 | mmicrosys | I have quick question in regards to the maps file. Where does it go (Gigabeat)? |
| 23:01:43 | low_light | Zagor: where are you encountering a system_reboot? |
| 23:01:46 | markun | mmicrosys: the are only for debuggin |
| 23:01:53 | markun | you don't need to put them anywhere |
| 23:01:59 | mmicrosys | k |
| 23:02:11 | Zagor | low_light: nowhere, but I want to add when you insert usb |
| 23:02:35 | mmicrosys | that would explian why could not find any thing about it in the forum |
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| 23:06:27 | Zagor | petur: when you have time, I'd be very grateful for a bit of guidance to the usbstack/ code. |
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| 23:10:03 | petur | Zagor: sure, but I'm not really an expert on that code too... and yes, I still have to update that wiki page, but that will have to wait untill tomorrow (too much beer) |
| 23:10:17 | Zagor | ok, np |
| 23:10:39 | Nico_P | petur: do you know if austriancoder is still working on it ? |
| 23:10:49 | * | amiconn wonders whether the usb stack can handle multivolume |
| 23:10:54 | Zagor | if you can just give me a hint how things are connected, that would help a lot |
| 23:11:17 | amiconn | The Sansa OF does that (the sansa gets 2 drive letters in windows, one for builtin and one for microsd) |
| 23:11:26 | Zagor | yup |
| 23:11:31 | |Rain| | has anyone tried compiling the e200 bootloader recently? I think there's a bug in the ATA code (I'm still debugging it, but I need to run off for a bit) |
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| 23:11:49 | |Rain| | well, compiling and using −− it compiles fine, it just doesn't work (for me) |
| 23:12:20 | petur | Nico_P: yes. But he had schoolwork coming up, and I asked him to put the stuff he had online (which he didn't) |
| 23:12:38 | Bagder | |Rain|: it doesn't work even to boot rockbox? |
| 23:12:40 | Nico_P | petur: ok |
| 23:12:50 | * | Nico_P has schoolwork too :\ |
| 23:12:51 | petur | From what I understood, he has some read/write code - no idea if working already |
| 23:13:30 | * | Nico_P is proving the Zoutendijk theorem on numerical optimisation... awesome :p |
| 23:13:50 | amiconn | The C200 keypad is weird... |
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| 23:14:14 | amiconn | In fact it's somewhat similar to the Player keypad, when used according to the labels |
| 23:14:15 | Bagder | "I only proved it to work, I haven't tested it" |
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| 23:14:33 | Bagder | / Knuth |
| 23:14:39 | kkurbju1 | hey scorche, llorean, are you around? |
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| 23:15:06 | |Rain| | Bagder: actually, it doesn't work to boot rockbox but works fine for the stock FW (for me, it's reading the FAT BPB correctly the first time, but getting bogus data every time afterwards −− so it can't mount the fs to read rockbox.mi4 |
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| 23:15:19 | |Rain| | ...) |
| 23:15:21 | tumu | i wonder what i'm doing wrong as linking fails with the built-ins |
| 23:15:44 | Zagor | tumu: what function are you using? |
| 23:16:02 | Bagder | |Rain|: and the latest "released" binary bootloader, does that work for you? |
| 23:16:14 | * | amiconn thinks that several built-ins are not really built in, and require libgcc |
| 23:16:22 | Bagder | indeed |
| 23:16:49 | tumu | Zagor, pow, exp, log and floor |
| 23:17:15 | tumu | amiconn, that could be the case |
| 23:17:19 | amiconn | The crosscompilers provide libgcc - whether we want to use it is another thing |
| 23:17:23 | |Rain| | Bagder: yes |
| 23:17:24 | amiconn | I think we don't |
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| 23:17:42 | |Rain| | Bagder: I just downgraded to it again so I can use rockbox for my trip home :) |
| 23:17:47 | Bagder | tumu: what error do you get then? you do use -lm, right? |
| 23:17:47 | amiconn | tumu: For rockbox, you should stay away from floating point functions anyway |
| 23:18:03 | Bagder | |Rain|: very annoying... :-/ |
| 23:18:03 | amiconn | From floating point maths at all, that is |
| 23:18:18 | |Rain| | I'll continue debugging once I'm home |
| 23:18:26 | tumu | Bagder, undefined reference |
| 23:18:40 | Bagder | for the math functions? |
| 23:18:45 | Bagder | with -lm ? |
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| 23:19:06 | Bagder | pow, exp, log and floor aren't built-ins, afaik |
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| 23:19:08 | tumu | i believe i'm doing it the same way as Tremor |
| 23:19:17 | low_light | Zagor: I'm not sure what this code from the c200 bl does...perhaps reset: http://rafb.net/p/OOsdUo12.html |
| 23:19:28 | low_light | ^reboot |
| 23:19:31 | Bagder | Tremor surely doesn't use those functions ;-) |
| 23:19:37 | tumu | it doesn't |
| 23:20:27 | Zagor | low_light: worth testing, I guess |
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| 23:21:50 | toffe82 | markun: what is this :Support for rockchip RKP games |
| 23:22:35 | * | amiconn always wonders about that kind of unoptimised arm code |
| 23:23:50 | tumu | Bagder, well, adding -lm to linking doesn't help, can't find the lib |
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| 23:24:06 | Bagder | well, without the math lib you can't use the math functions |
| 23:24:25 | tumu | yeah |
| 23:24:42 | tumu | have to include them as seperate for now |
| 23:25:06 | Bagder | floating point is a terrible idea anyway |
| 23:25:16 | tumu | not exactly thrilled to rewrite the particular code as integer based |
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| 23:25:48 | low_light | Zagor: it's interesting the the button backlight worked as is (I never tried)...there must be another register that inits the light, because those gpio bits are not used in the c200 bl (where it is turned on) |
| 23:26:08 | Bagder | tumu: what are you doing with these functions? |
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| 23:26:17 | amiconn | low_light: Perhaps the hardware defaults to on? |
| 23:26:31 | Zagor | yeah the sansa init turns on the light |
| 23:27:00 | Zagor | the button light is turned on before the display even |
| 23:27:23 | amiconn | Yes, that's why I think the light is on when the gpio pin is uninitialised |
| 23:27:34 | tumu | Bagder, dumb does filtering and click removal |
| 23:28:03 | Bagder | then it should run fast... |
| 23:28:09 | Zagor | low_light: no reset |
| 23:29:11 | amiconn | The hardware defaulting to on isn't uncommon, the archos backlights (and recorder hdd power) behave the same |
| 23:29:13 | low_light | wonder what it's for then, since it doesn't break that loop |
| 23:29:45 | Zagor | low_light: maybe something else needs to be set first. a watchdog perhaps? (wild speculation mode) |
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| 23:30:31 | * | low_light shrugs |
| 23:30:40 | low_light | gtg |
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| 23:31:54 | tumu | well, atleast found the spot where sim linker needs codecs to be named as lib*.a, a patsubst is causing it |
| 23:32:34 | tumu | someone didn't want to prefix with lib on CODECLIBS |
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| 23:35:35 | RaZorbacK | sory a bit offtopic but under windows, could you please advice me a text editor which handles utf8 properly, and which would be multi- document (multi tabbed) |
| 23:36:10 | markun | RaZorbacK: maybe one of these: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UnicodeGuide#Text_editors_supporting_Unicode |
| 23:36:54 | RaZorbacK | wow everything could be found on this wiki ! thanks |
| 23:37:06 | markun | :) |
| 23:37:10 | scorche|work | sounds like a job for Notepad++ |
| 23:37:58 | RaZorbacK | sure there're many but they must be totally speech-friendly |
| 23:39:21 | markun | RaZorbacK: does your speech engine handle complicated unicode chars well? |
| 23:40:27 | RaZorbacK | markun: no, after having compiled a nice patched build and a nice voice file, I was disappointed because accentuated letters were awfully pronounced ... |
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| 23:45:36 | lazka | RaZorbacK: you could give Geany a try... it's my favorite under linux and there seems to exist a windows version -> http://geany.uvena.de/ |
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| 23:48:07 | pixelma | Zagor: only the "menu" led still stays on but much better than full blue light all the time :) |
| 23:48:21 | RaZorbacK | LAZKA: thanks |
| 23:48:57 | Zagor | pixelma: yeah, the menu led is controlled by another pin. (if it is controlled at all) |
| 23:49:54 | pixelma | well, I just checked the of again and it switches both on and off (in combination with the display backlight) |
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| 23:50:41 | Zagor | ah, ok |
| 23:51:46 | * | bluebrother wonders who the guy with the x5v was ... LinusN? |
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| 23:51:59 | Bagder | nope |
| 23:52:08 | Bagder | I don't think any dev has a x5v |
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| 23:52:38 | Bagder | they hide on the iaudiophile forum ;-) |
| 23:52:50 | bluebrother | hmm. I'd be interested in knowing if it has a different usb pid than the x5 |
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| 23:53:13 | Bagder | it would surprise me a lot, but I guess that's not really helpful ;-) |
| 23:53:43 | bluebrother | in terms of facts it unfortunately isn't. |
| 23:54:04 | bluebrother | it would be cool if they had different ids for detection. |
| 23:54:12 | Bagder | yeps |
| 23:54:29 | bluebrother | maybe I should try to ask in the iaudiophile forums? |
| 23:54:50 | Bagder | I think that's one of the best places to actually find such a one |
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| 23:58:50 | * | bluebrother finds activation mail in the spam folder |
icon identifies that the person is a core developer (has commit access).