| 00:01:01 | amiconn | Zagor: Finding the other pin shouldn't be too difficult then |
| 00:01:31 | Nico_P | bluebrother: what use would it be if they had different PIDs ? |
| 00:02:01 | amiconn | As one pin is known, a search for manipulation of that port bit in the OF should reveal the function |
| 00:02:28 | Zagor | yeah. |
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| 00:02:56 | bluebrother | Nico_P: as rbutil now has autodetection based on usb pid it could distinguish between those two models |
| 00:04:30 | Nico_P | oh I got confused with the X5L... the X5V has a different build, right ? |
| 00:04:44 | amiconn | no |
| 00:04:58 | amiconn | It needs the bootloader as a different file name |
| 00:04:58 | Nico_P | hmm, what's the difference then ? |
| 00:05:00 | Nico_P | ah |
| 00:05:01 | bluebrother | it has a different bootloader |
| 00:05:15 | bluebrother | amiconn: is the bootloader the same binary? |
| 00:05:26 | bluebrother | I thought there was a slight difference too |
| 00:06:34 | amiconn | The actual code is the same afaik |
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| 00:07:16 | amiconn | But the ??_FW.bin file header needs a different id string for X5 and X5V |
| 00:07:18 | Bagder | there's a minor diff in the file too iirc, it has the name "x5v" in there |
| 00:07:28 | Bagder | right |
| 00:07:38 | nls_ | bluebrother: then you can do an ugly work around and put both on all x5 players :-) |
| 00:08:26 | bluebrother | that was an idea. I'm wondering what the update process does with the non-matching file |
| 00:08:35 | Bagder | it ignores it |
| 00:08:40 | amiconn | It probably doesn't even see it |
| 00:09:00 | * | Bagder heads to bed |
| 00:09:04 | bluebrother | do it doesn't delete it? (as in empties the upgrade folder) |
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| 00:09:35 | amiconn | Very easy to find out... |
| 00:09:59 | bluebrother | for someone owning an x5, sure ;-) |
| 00:10:03 | sunalsorises | is it possible to edit id3 tags from within rockbox on a sansa? |
| 00:10:09 | bluebrother | sunalsorises: no. |
| 00:11:54 | sunalsorises | ok thanks, a follow up question then, I have a certain number of songs where the tags are correct and display fine on the original firmware but are not identified in rockbox, any ideas on what might be the problem here? |
| 00:12:08 | bluebrother | what type are these files? |
| 00:12:52 | sunalsorises | mp3s |
| 00:12:56 | amiconn | bluebrother: It flashes the matching one and ignores the other |
| 00:12:59 | sunalsorises | as opposed to wma the rest |
| 00:13:12 | * | amiconn just tested |
| 00:13:17 | bluebrother | sunalsorises: could be a id3v1 sv id3v2 issue |
| 00:13:22 | bluebrother | amiconn: cool, thanks. |
| 00:13:42 | bluebrother | so we could indeed merge x5 and x5v by simply installing both bootloaders. |
| 00:14:05 | bluebrother | this will only leave an unused file around ... |
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| 00:14:09 | amiconn | It's somewhat ugly, but it works |
| 00:14:13 | sunalsorises | i have it set so id3v2 takes precedent, over v1 |
| 00:14:30 | TMM | amiconn: sounds like my ex |
| 00:14:32 | TMM | amiconn: :P |
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| 00:16:15 | alienbiker99 | wasnt the id3 tag priority option removed? |
| 00:17:17 | bluebrother | I'll ask about the pid on iaudiophile nevertheless. Maybe the IDs differ |
| 00:18:53 | sunalsorises | thanks bluebrother, it's not a huge deal but it's kind of annoyinh |
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| 00:52:17 | RaZorbacK | hmm can we generate a lng file from a lang file without compiling a whole build ? |
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| 01:06:07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does Rockbox support showing album art while playing? |
| 01:07:04 | |Rain| | there are patches to add album art support, although the album art needs to be in bmp format |
| 01:07:25 | |Rain| | there's a second patch that will resize the bmp to fit the theme −− otherwise, you need to do that yourself too (although the resulting image will look better if you resize it ahead of time) |
| 01:07:36 | RaZorbacK | Hi ddalton |
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| 01:19:58 | nls_ | RaZorbacK: yes you can but it is kind of tedious, see the end of this page http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=LangFiles |
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| 01:32:42 | RaZorbacK | nls: hmm I see... |
| 01:32:49 | RaZorbacK | thx anyway |
| 01:33:34 | ddalton | RaZorbacK: can you try a patch? |
| 01:34:25 | RaZorbacK | ddalton: yes i can but don't know when. is it a little one ? |
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| 01:35:48 | ddalton | RaZorbacK: do you have an iaudio? |
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| 01:35:58 | ddalton | x5 or what ever there called |
| 01:36:33 | RaZorbacK | i have an x5L |
| 01:37:12 | ddalton | ok can you try p7682 and you will need p7814 with it and I guess since you speak french you might want to try p7784. |
| 01:37:17 | RaZorbacK | is this patch in the sdoyon's combined one? |
| 01:37:20 | ddalton | can you try it in english as well? |
| 01:37:27 | ddalton | no its one of mine |
| 01:37:35 | RaZorbacK | english sure . |
| 01:38:01 | ddalton | But I am trying to work out if sdoyon's patches break mine or if mine is wrong |
| 01:38:04 | RaZorbacK | but tonight i think it will be too shrot in time |
| 01:38:07 | RaZorbacK | shrot |
| 01:38:09 | RaZorbacK | short |
| 01:38:18 | ddalton | ok |
| 01:38:44 | RaZorbacK | he gave me a good way to translate his work using genlang |
| 01:39:14 | RaZorbacK | it's far easiest to work like this instead of translating patches |
| 01:41:02 | ddalton | RaZorbacK: who is he? |
| 01:41:16 | ddalton | And have you tried the perl script? |
| 01:41:16 | RaZorbacK | sdoyon :) |
| 01:41:27 | ddalton | o ok |
| 01:41:29 | RaZorbacK | what perl script |
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| 01:42:22 | ddalton | I thought there was one. You tell it which one to update and which one is your language and then all you have to do is fill in the voice and desk string part. But maybe I am wrong |
| 01:42:42 | RaZorbacK | yes it's genlang |
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| 01:43:01 | RaZorbacK | it gives you an output with only the neww strigns |
| 01:43:03 | RaZorbacK | strings |
| 01:43:20 | ddalton | ok |
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| 01:56:31 | jac0b | I set the right and left postions but they seem to have no effect |
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| 02:29:49 | gibsta269 | hello? |
| 02:29:53 | gibsta269 | anyone here? |
| 02:30:10 | gibsta269 | no one? |
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| 02:30:58 | scorche | i see 134 users in here |
| 02:31:27 | gibsta269 | yes but not all of them are at there computers im guessing |
| 02:32:37 | nls_ | i bet some of them are |
| 02:32:41 | Llorean | Yes, this is often the case, but asking if anyone's here more than once doesn't magically make them return, and just shows that you didn't read the guidelines. |
| 02:32:48 | gibsta269 | im sorry |
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| 02:34:15 | gibsta269 | ok i only have one question so i will ask it only once, does anyone know if rockbox can be supported to the iriver clix, or if any type of port will be made for it? |
| 02:35:06 | nls_ | gibsta269: we don't plan ports and no one is working on one for that player |
| 02:35:31 | nls_ | and until someone tries we don't know if it's possible |
| 02:37:07 | gibsta269 | ok thanks alot, sorry for being that annoying noob |
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| 02:42:48 | ddalton | can someone tell me what is wrong with a patch? |
| 02:42:50 | Klevi | Does Rockbox support the MicroSD slot at all in the sansac240? |
| 02:42:51 | ddalton | if I upload it? |
| 02:44:31 | ddalton | GodEater: do you have time to take a quick look? |
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| 02:45:07 | Lars_G_ | Hi rockers. |
| 02:45:17 | Lars_G_ | Question to ipod rockers. any patches you consider indispensable? |
| 02:47:29 | Llorean | Lars_G_: The vast majority of people in this channel use official builds, as its purpose relates to providing support or developing the "official" version. |
| 02:47:29 | scorche | svn builds work just fine for me... |
| 02:47:44 | Klevi | Does Rockbox support the MicroSD slot at all in the sansac240? |
| 02:47:54 | scorche | Klevi: you just asked that |
| 02:48:03 | Llorean | Klevi: You asked that 5 minutes ago, and nobody has entered or left the room since then. |
| 02:48:09 | Llorean | With a single exception/ |
| 02:48:27 | Klevi | Yes, and I disconnected, god knows about my wireless connection |
| 02:48:40 | Klevi | *shrig* so I double posted |
| 02:48:45 | Klevi | **shrug |
| 02:49:03 | scorche | Klevi: we have guidelines here...you should ahve read them before you spoke |
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| 02:49:22 | Llorean | Klevi: The channel is also logged, you could've easily read the logs to see if anyone responded. |
| 02:49:38 | Klevi | -.- alright... im sorry.. |
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| 03:07:33 | ddalton | what is wrong with this? http://pastebin.ca/raw/715106 |
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| 03:15:13 | Klevi | Welcome back |
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| 03:45:42 | Spyro_boy | hello. |
| 03:45:57 | Klevi | Hi |
| 03:46:00 | Spyro_boy | I have an e280 here and I installed rockbox on it but I can't seem to mount it to load files on it. |
| 03:46:12 | Spyro_boy | any ideas? |
| 03:46:17 | maxkelley | you must reboot into the original firmware to mount it. |
| 03:46:25 | Spyro_boy | hrmm.. |
| 03:46:29 | Klevi | turn it off and connect usb |
| 03:46:30 | maxkelley | Rockbox doesn't yet support a USB connection. |
| 03:46:34 | Spyro_boy | that leads me to say: I don't think my bootloader works. |
| 03:46:51 | maxkelley | that's.. likely. |
| 03:47:15 | Klevi | Oh by the way does anyone here know if the sansa c200 can use the micro sd slot? |
| 03:47:21 | Spyro_boy | Everytime I want to get into the original firmware, I put it in recovery mode and instll the firmware. |
| 03:47:21 | maxkelley | the latest svn I believe supports booting it. |
| 03:47:34 | maxkelley | Klevi: erm, doesn't work on mine. |
| 03:47:36 | Spyro_boy | booting into the original? |
| 03:47:47 | maxkelley | I think the option just hasn't been enabled. |
| 03:47:54 | Spyro_boy | ah |
| 03:47:54 | maxkelley | Spyro_boy: yes. |
| 03:48:06 | maxkelley | ok, lemme straighten this out. |
| 03:48:14 | * | Spyro_boy gets the svn |
| 03:48:27 | maxkelley | Spyro_boy: yes, the latest SVN bootlaoder release supports booting it. |
| 03:48:47 | Klevi | -.- thats a bother |
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| 03:49:05 | maxkelley | Klevi: the option I believe is for the moment disabled, because the c200 port is still in development. therefore, it has not been tested yet, and.. yeah :) |
| 03:49:14 | Klevi | I just buoght a new micro sd card today for that purpose |
| 03:49:19 | Klevi | xD |
| 03:49:22 | maxkelley | don't mark my words, though.. but I believe that's why. |
| 03:49:34 | maxkelley | wait a couple weeks, hopefully it'll be resolved :) |
| 03:49:40 | Spyro_boy | you're going to hate me for asking, but how do I access the svn? |
| 03:49:48 | Spyro_boy | I can't seem to find a link on the site. |
| 03:49:48 | maxkelley | Spyro_boy: are you on linux? |
| 03:49:48 | Klevi | it is brand new, i give MUCH credit |
| 03:49:57 | Spyro_boy | link/line |
| 03:49:58 | Spyro_boy | maxkelley, yes. |
| 03:49:59 | Klevi | I like Rockbox allot |
| 03:50:05 | maxkelley | rockbox.org/wiki/UsingSVN |
| 03:50:08 | maxkelley | that might work. |
| 03:50:12 | Spyro_boy | Thanks. |
| 03:50:18 | Spyro_boy | I might've just missed it thugh. |
| 03:50:28 | Spyro_boy | My monitor is really bad atm. can't read much. |
| 03:50:32 | maxkelley | Spyro_boy: you'll need to also set up a development environment for rockbox. |
| 03:50:52 | maxkelley | Klevi: me too :) |
| 03:50:54 | Spyro_boy | thught so |
| 03:50:55 | Klevi | maxkelley, like te fm tuner is? |
| 03:50:59 | Spyro_boy | like a toolset? |
| 03:50:59 | Klevi | *the |
| 03:51:14 | maxkelley | Klevi: exactly. the fm tuner also hasn't been tested, along with recording... etc. |
| 03:51:31 | Klevi | I has a question tho |
| 03:51:42 | maxkelley | in fact, we don't even know for sure how to control the button backlights (though I believe one person has a solution) |
| 03:51:46 | maxkelley | Spyro_boy: arm-elf-gcc |
| 03:51:47 | Klevi | =) the Doom game has key maapping bugs |
| 03:51:56 | Spyro_boy | maxI see. |
| 03:51:57 | Klevi | Woah who |
| 03:52:06 | Klevi | I was wondering aboiut that |
| 03:52:11 | maxkelley | Klevi: I actually made those keymaps.. I never tested doom :) |
| 03:52:41 | Klevi | if i set something to eh record key it doesnt do anything |
| 03:52:44 | Klevi | *the |
| 03:53:11 | Klevi | and if i change the select button to something else, all it does is change weapons |
| 03:53:12 | maxkelley | when I try and run my doom, I get "missing wad file" |
| 03:53:25 | Klevi | you need to dl rockdoom.wad from the main site |
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| 03:53:43 | maxkelley | Klevi: I suppose that would make sense. |
| 03:53:54 | maxkelley | oh, the latest svn enables the button light controls. |
| 03:54:05 | | Part Lars_G_ |
| 03:54:08 | maxkelley | as of revision.. a couple ago :) |
| 03:54:14 | Klevi | then paste it into path named doom/ on the root of rockbox |
| 03:54:31 | Klevi | maxkelly link please? |
| 03:54:48 | maxkelley | revision 14856. |
| 03:55:02 | Klevi | when did that come out |
| 03:55:04 | Klevi | today?? |
| 03:55:17 | maxkelley | yeah. |
| 03:55:19 | Klevi | LOL |
| 03:55:20 | maxkelley | http://build.rockbox.org/ |
| 03:55:24 | Klevi | I did this yeaterday |
| 03:55:26 | maxkelley | see? |
| 03:55:33 | maxkelley | I upgraded yesterday, too. |
| 03:55:50 | maxkelley | well, I've got school to go to tommorow. |
| 03:55:52 | Klevi | mk so how do i upgrade excatly |
| 03:55:58 | Klevi | dang |
| 03:56:01 | maxkelley | so I won't be able to do it now. |
| 03:56:02 | Klevi | nvm, go aheaad |
| 03:56:16 | maxkelley | Klevi: did you custom compile it? |
| 03:56:20 | Klevi | imma do it now, I need to not kill my battery |
| 03:56:23 | Klevi | No |
| 03:56:28 | Klevi | I got it from you guys. |
| 03:56:54 | maxkelley | ok, then download the sansa c200 build and extract it to the root, I believe. |
| 03:57:12 | Klevi | thatll overwritwe my current Rockbox tho |
| 03:57:18 | maxkelley | er.. yes. |
| 03:57:22 | maxkelley | well, no. |
| 03:57:24 | maxkelley | yes. |
| 03:57:26 | maxkelley | no. |
| 03:57:30 | maxkelley | I don't know :) |
| 03:57:49 | Klevi | lol |
| 03:57:52 | Spyro_boy | I'm trying a daily. |
| 03:57:55 | maxkelley | I think replacing the rockbox.mi4 is sufficient |
| 03:57:58 | Llorean | No |
| 03:58:01 | Llorean | Always replace the whole build |
| 03:58:38 | Klevi | alright |
| 03:58:40 | Klevi | thanks |
| 03:58:45 | Klevi | and by the way |
| 03:59:01 | Klevi | the number is 14857 |
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| 04:00:14 | Klevi | brb |
| 04:00:40 | Klevi | I have to reset windows hotplug detecter... somehow it does this with USB. doesnt detect things |
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| 04:02:29 | Spyro_boy | Wpw/ |
| 04:02:33 | Spyro_boy | Wow. Rockbox owns. |
| 04:03:02 | tumu | what's the playlist button on sansa sim? |
| 04:04:09 | tumu | nvm found it |
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| 04:05:38 | Spyro_boy | hrmm.. |
| 04:06:36 | maxkelley | goodnight |
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| 04:09:36 | [omni] | I've got a problem playing m4a files on my e280 with the current build. From looking at the forums, I understand that there are still some issues with the m4a codec. |
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| 04:10:21 | [omni] | I got these m4as by using the hymn-project's myfreetunes to unprotect m4p files from iTunes |
| 04:10:40 | [omni] | any tips on how I can get these to work with rockbox? (they play fine in linux) |
| 04:11:00 | [omni] | I'd rather not convert to a different lossy format |
| 04:11:13 | Soap | Foobar2000 has a repair fuction for AAC files, if you have access to a Windows box you might want to try that. |
| 04:11:40 | Soap | It rewrites the stream as I understand it - it is not a transcoder / reencoder. |
| 04:11:53 | [omni] | I'll give that a shot the next time i'm near a windows box |
| 04:12:02 | [omni] | do you know if it is able to keep tag info? |
| 04:13:57 | Soap | Foobar is good about that. |
| 04:14:13 | [omni] | cool. thanks soap |
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| 04:18:29 | Klevi | maxkelley, Updated successfully. |
| 04:18:41 | Klevi | but the menu light still stays on lol |
| 04:19:08 | Klevi | literally, the light under menu, the directional buttons turn off nicely |
| 04:20:08 | Klevi | Would anyone be eble to explain why my backdrops don't work? |
| 04:20:56 | Klevi | I resized the image to the screen res. and made the type .bmp, like the manual said, but it stil fails. |
| 04:21:13 | Klevi | *albe** |
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| 04:34:11 | [omni] | Soap: were you speaking of Foobar2000's "optimize" function? |
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| 08:04:25 | |Rain| | so, just in case anyone cares, I've pretty well confirmed that my problem building/running the e200 bootloader with gcc 4.2.1 is due to a bug in gcc (long filename handling ends up broken, so the bootloader can't find /.rockbox) |
| 08:05:03 | Llorean | You can't "run" the bootloader. |
| 08:05:11 | Llorean | Are you referring to sansapatcher? |
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| 08:06:12 | |Rain| | no |
| 08:06:23 | |Rain| | I'm talking about the bootloader running on an e200 |
| 08:06:42 | Llorean | Why are you trying to build with an unsupported version of GCC then? |
| 08:06:58 | Llorean | We pretty much explicitly say it must be built with the version we specify. |
| 08:07:26 | |Rain| | you'll note that I qualified my statement with "just in case anyone cares" |
| 08:08:40 | |Rain| | I'm aware that gcc 4.2.x isn't used for rockbox development |
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| 08:19:01 | |Rain| | on a more meaningful note, while I was debugging, I noticed that most platforms call disk_init(); immediately before calling disk_mount_all(), which also immediately calls disk_init(); |
| 08:20:34 | |Rain| | wait a tic, I think I got it wrong when I was looking at it earlier |
| 08:21:11 | |Rain| | yeah, it doesn't get called again until disk_mount() (from disk_mount_all())... meh. |
| 08:23:08 | |Rain| | there's still nothing meaningful done between the calls for targets using main-pp, though (maybe there is for some of the others) |
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| 09:33:23 | GodEater_ | is it a competition (which I've just lost) to see who can stay quiet longest ? |
| 09:34:31 | B4gder | hahaa you lost! |
| 09:34:36 | petur | yes, you have lost. Go stand in the corner |
| 09:34:51 | * | GodEater_ hasn't moved from the corner since last time he was sent there |
| 09:34:54 | GodEater_ | I still have the stool too |
| 09:35:02 | petur | B4gder: saw that article about wordpress? |
| 09:35:10 | B4gder | yeps |
| 09:35:22 | B4gder | including the update |
| 09:35:40 | * | petur goes to read |
| 09:35:56 | B4gder | 'This article is misleading enough to be called "just wrong."' |
| 09:36:10 | markun | which article? |
| 09:36:15 | B4gder | http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/25/1632246 |
| 09:37:22 | B4gder | but everyone already knows I am one of the least worried persons about leaving out personal details online |
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| 09:37:58 | B4gder | wordpress or not I mean |
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| 09:39:31 | B4gder | btw, I found the slashdot article on Apple's not wanting to deal with unlocked iphones interesting |
| 09:39:47 | B4gder | especially the US legal case it was referring to |
| 09:40:04 | B4gder | since it more or less say that companies cannot decide to void warranties just based on software installs |
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| 09:40:33 | * | GodEater_ is pleased to see that the SFLC isn't going to let Monsoon off the hook that easily |
| 09:40:42 | petur | I would think if they brick your iphone on purpose because it was unlocked, that would be even criminal... |
| 09:41:02 | B4gder | petur: yes, but i think they phrased it somewhat more innocently sounding |
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| 09:41:26 | petur | sure, but that is the message they want to bring |
| 09:42:09 | B4gder | true |
| 09:43:04 | B4gder | but if they can't void the warranty because of the unlock... |
| 09:43:14 | B4gder | they'll be forced to fix the bricks |
| 09:43:14 | petur | otoh, I always take /. info with tons of salt ;) |
| 09:43:26 | preglow | i try to just not read it |
| 09:43:35 | preglow | annoying site |
| 09:43:43 | * | markun agrees |
| 09:43:47 | * | GodEater_ reads the linked articles |
| 09:43:59 | petur | I look at the headlines and read the articles myself |
| 09:43:59 | GodEater_ | I stopped reading the discussions ages ago |
| 09:44:02 | B4gder | well, they do refer to other places that are interesting at times |
| 09:44:08 | B4gder | the comments are mostly boring |
| 09:44:15 | GodEater_ | it's long past it's prime sadly |
| 09:44:16 | preglow | i sometimes read articles, but i never, _never_, read comments |
| 09:44:25 | preglow | slashdot people are too annoying for words |
| 09:44:32 | GodEater_ | http://www.linux.com/feature/119439 |
| 09:44:48 | B4gder | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson-Moss_Warranty_Act |
| 09:44:52 | B4gder | that's the law case anyway |
| 09:45:10 | B4gder | " states that Apple cannot void a warranty for a product with third-party enhancements or modifications to their product. The only exception to this rule is if Apple can determine that the modification or enhancement is responsible [for] damaging the product in question ." |
| 09:45:37 | GodEater_ | one would imagine that would be tough to prove |
| 09:45:43 | markun | B4gder: which they claim they can |
| 09:45:43 | B4gder | indeed |
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| 09:45:51 | B4gder | they must prove it |
| 09:46:07 | * | GodEater_ would like to see such "proof" |
| 09:46:10 | B4gder | but yeah, they have an army of lawyers so... |
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| 09:46:55 | B4gder | the US legal system is hard to beat anyway if you're an individual person with a bricked iphone going against Apple |
| 09:47:36 | markun | if someone installs rockbox on an ipod and it gets 'bricked' I don't think it should be covered by apple's warranty |
| 09:48:20 | GodEater_ | but it's not possible to brick an ipod with rockbox ;) |
| 09:49:12 | Zagor | GodEater: didn't you yourself describe how to brick an ipod the other day? :) |
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| 09:49:33 | markun | GodEater_: and we both know that ipods get accused of being bricked all the time in our forums |
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| 09:50:16 | B4gder | markun: if rockbox bricked it, it was "the modification or enhancement is responsible [for] damaging the product in question" |
| 09:51:04 | GodEater_ | Zagor: I have described it - but you can't do it with Rockbox |
| 09:51:13 | MetroDelt | now the checksums are cracked on the 2nd gen nano, will it be likely that rockbox will be avalible for it on a short notice? |
| 09:51:15 | B4gder | we need a hammer in Rockbox |
| 09:51:21 | GodEater_ | MetroDelt: no |
| 09:51:42 | GodEater_ | MetroDelt: the checksums of which you speak are in no way connected to getting code to run on the iPod itself. They only deal with iTunes. |
| 09:52:07 | GodEater_ | MetroDelt: and besides that - you mean the 3rd gen nano :) |
| 09:52:10 | MetroDelt | GodEater_: okay, so the kernel itself is long from being cracked? |
| 09:52:29 | GodEater_ | MetroDelt: no-one has even tried to start cracking it as far as I know |
| 09:52:31 | MetroDelt | GodEater: no, the 2nd gen nano |
| 09:52:58 | MetroDelt | GodEater: the full metal case version, as for i know, the 2nd gen |
| 09:53:22 | GodEater_ | MetroDelt: I had no idea the 2nd gen was using such a checksum. |
| 09:53:32 | GodEater_ | MetroDelt: where have you read this information ? |
| 09:53:53 | MetroDelt | GodEater: think i got it from slashdot, wait i'll check |
| 09:54:24 | MetroDelt | GodEater: http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/17/135205 |
| 09:54:43 | Zagor | MetroDelt: that's the itunes checksum. it has nothing to do with the firmware. |
| 09:54:59 | Zagor | the slashdot summary is very wrong, as usual |
| 09:54:59 | MetroDelt | Zagor: Okays, too bad |
| 09:55:28 | Zagor | or, not exactly wrong, but easy to misunderstand |
| 09:55:41 | MetroDelt | Zagor: i'd reckoned that if the checksum was crqacked, they could crack the firmware too. |
| 09:55:51 | B4gder | far from it |
| 09:55:55 | B4gder | people don't work on the firmware |
| 09:55:59 | MetroDelt | too bad it was the wrong checksum |
| 09:56:29 | MetroDelt | Only option so far is cracking my ipod with a big hammer |
| 09:56:35 | Zagor | we need a wiki page about this to refer people to... |
| 09:56:37 | GodEater_ | and that's definitely the NEW ipods - NOT the 2nd Gen Nano |
| 09:56:50 | Zagor | GodEater: 2g nano is protected too |
| 09:57:04 | GodEater_ | Zagor: since when ? |
| 09:57:06 | B4gder | Zagor: yeah, not the itunes checksum |
| 09:57:14 | MetroDelt | GodEater: is it? okay i think i read it wrong |
| 09:57:29 | markun | Zagor: could be added to the ipod FAQ |
| 09:57:30 | GodEater_ | the 2nd Gen Nano's iTunes DB isn't protecetd AFAIK |
| 09:57:54 | Zagor | GodEater: right, I'm talking about the firmware. |
| 09:58:27 | GodEater_ | Zagor: ah - and that I knew - but we were talking about the iTunes checksum |
| 09:59:11 | GodEater_ | someone needs to write that wiki page though - you're right. I'm tired of re-telling this story :) |
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| 09:59:34 | B4gder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/09/18/rockbox-on-the-ipod-classic/ |
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| 10:00:26 | B4gder | we need more wiki pages |
| 10:00:38 | B4gder | more more MORE |
| 10:00:47 | B4gder | and coffee |
| 10:02:59 | GodEater_ | and biscuits |
| 10:03:09 | GodEater_ | preferably chocolate digestives |
| 10:07:35 | markun | B4gder: I'm registering to the mp4nation forum to ask about the license problems with the Ainol and Gemei players they sell |
| 10:07:55 | B4gder | cool, let us know what happens! |
| 10:12:23 | markun | B4gder: I'll first check out the licenses of the various components |
| 10:12:48 | markun | snes9x states for example "Commercial users should seek permission of the copyright holders first" |
| 10:12:52 | markun | which Ainol might have done |
| 10:13:03 | B4gder | right, but libsdl for example is GPL |
| 10:13:09 | B4gder | iirc |
| 10:13:10 | markun | and what about the LGPL version of ffmpeg? |
| 10:13:23 | B4gder | LGPL products should be shipped so that you can replace the LGPL libs |
| 10:13:55 | B4gder | (which usually is the argument that makes LGPL more or less the same as GPL for embedded stuff) |
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| 10:18:28 | markun | VisualBoyAdvance |
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| 10:21:15 | B4gder | now there's a site who really really need ad money... |
| 10:21:29 | B4gder | you can hardly see the content |
| 10:21:48 | B4gder | what license do they use? |
| 10:23:27 | B4gder | btw, the fact that they can use all these products do hint that they use some kind of posix or almost-posix like operating system |
| 10:23:42 | Zagor | probably sco unix |
| 10:24:01 | B4gder | yeah, I hear sco unix is perfect for blackfin media players ;-) |
| 10:24:41 | Zagor | http://sourceforge.net/projects/vba/ says GPL |
| 10:24:54 | B4gder | ah, thanks |
| 10:25:50 | Zagor | yes, there's a COPYING in the source tarball |
| 10:31:36 | markun | B4gder: http://mp4nation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98&sid=db80fb1500267fb0680950f6cd4ba93d |
| 10:32:30 | markun | what do you think? |
| 10:32:39 | B4gder | very well put |
| 10:32:59 | markun | I'm not expecting much |
| 10:33:05 | B4gder | I'm betting they'll refer to the manufacturer |
| 10:33:17 | B4gder | if they even respond |
| 10:34:31 | B4gder | http://gpl-violations.org/ seems more or less dead |
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| 10:36:51 | markun | I'm easily bribed: if Ainol or MP4 Nation send me a free player I'll shut up ;) |
| 10:37:28 | B4gder | haha |
| 10:37:38 | * | petur goes to post too ;) |
| 10:38:43 | B4gder | mplayer is GPL too, right? |
| 10:38:47 | * | petur has an idea to put pressure on them... |
| 10:39:15 | B4gder | and the mplayer people have a history of biting back at people for using their stuff without complying |
| 10:39:25 | markun | petur: don't overdo it :) |
| 10:39:50 | B4gder | exactly, mp4nation is (probably) only a sales front |
| 10:40:08 | petur | I was thinking of "so if they don't comply and get sued -> no firmware upgrades or warranty repairs" |
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| 10:41:05 | * | petur goes back to mind his docs and curses iso9001 |
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| 10:58:07 | przemhb | Hi all |
| 10:59:01 | przemhb | does someone could give me some tips on how to dissassemble H10 20GB? |
| 10:59:31 | B4gder | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/803660/ainol_v2000_mp4_pmp_player_review/ |
| 10:59:34 | MetroDelt | przemhb: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=52314 |
| 10:59:36 | B4gder | pretty neat device |
| 10:59:46 | MetroDelt | prz: google does the trick |
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| 11:03:12 | petur | B4gder: indeed |
| 11:05:02 | markun | B4gder: this is 'the other one' http://www.engadget.com/2006/10/16/gemei-x-900-gamer-centric-pmp/ |
| 11:05:19 | markun | doesn't come with the gaming dock I think |
| 11:08:18 | markun | or maybe it does |
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| 11:12:04 | przemhb | MetroDelt: thank you |
| 11:13:12 | przemhb | how would you reccomend checking which GPIO port and pins are used for FM radio SDA, SCL, bus type and for multiplexer A B? |
| 11:15:39 | amiconn | I would think the fm chip is connected to the PP's i2c interface |
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| 11:16:18 | amiconn | Disassembling the OF is probably the best method |
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| 11:22:19 | przemhb | amicon: I've thought about sing debug menu to view I/O ports and connecting tuner's SDA SCL signals to GND via some 220Ohm resistor to observe which I/O ports and pins are affected |
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| 11:23:01 | przemhb | amicon: I think I won't be able to disassemble OF... |
| 11:24:08 | amiconn | The tuner's SDA/SCL are most probably *not* connected to GPIO pins |
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| 11:27:41 | przemhb | amicon: I'm afraid you're right |
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| 11:31:13 | przemhb | amicon: as I'm not a programist, but an eletronic engineer I tink I won't be able to disassemble OF - maybe someone would be willing to help finding out that? |
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| 11:34:07 | Zagor | przemhb: a logic analyzer can tell a lot |
| 11:35:29 | Crackerizer | Hello, |
| 11:35:42 | petur | , is not here |
| 11:35:57 | Crackerizer | petur: :) |
| 11:37:25 | Crackerizer | I've translated rockbox to thai and i have a problem with font rendering.. |
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| 11:39:39 | markun | Crackerizer: did you expect the problem to be solved today? ;) |
| 11:40:22 | Crackerizer | Hello markun, not at all, just want to ask if i could help with this... |
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| 11:43:00 | markun | Crackerizer: can you see what's wrong with the rendering exactly? |
| 11:43:36 | markun | are the tonal marks placed behind the vowels, or is there something else wrong? |
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| 11:48:09 | Crackerizer | markun: yes, the tonal should be on top of the vowels. i think that's the only problem.. |
| 11:48:39 | Crackerizer | it looks pretty ugly and hard to read.... |
| 11:49:21 | markun | do you know if precombined characters are available in the fonts, or do we have to merge the pictures ourselves? |
| 11:50:58 | markun | Crackerizer: here is a font which supports thai for example: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/fontstats/Rockbox%20fonts/8x13B.png |
| 11:51:18 | Crackerizer | markun: usually no, we have to merge it ourlselves. |
| 11:51:39 | rasher | Crackerizer: What I meant in the tracker was if thai.lang is the best name for the langaugefile (I'm about to commit it) |
| 11:53:31 | Crackerizer | rasher: I think thai.lang should be find. |
| 11:54:10 | rasher | I'll take your word for that |
| 11:54:14 | Crackerizer | thai is the native language of thailand. |
| 11:54:54 | Crackerizer | (as far as i know, there is no other name.. :) |
| 11:55:15 | rasher | Okay, that's what I was wondering. Some langauges are called completely different names in English than in the native langauge |
| 11:56:22 | rasher | And I think it would be better to use the local name for the filename (using latin letters), if possible, for those languages. But seeing as Thai is not one of them, I'll commit it now. |
| 11:57:31 | Crackerizer | rasher: thank you for the information & for commiting :) |
| 11:57:43 | markun | rasher: any idea how to handle glyph combining in a nice way? |
| 11:58:10 | rasher | markun: No idea at all. I don't know anything about font rendering really |
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| 12:00:51 | Crackerizer | markun: i looked at rockbox code lastnight to see which part of the code handling text drawing. do the functions in lcd header handle the job? |
| 12:01:14 | preglow | btw, is there any policy on name char sets in the CREDITS file? makes sense to use native characters |
| 12:01:36 | rasher | preglow: I'd say so, but amiconn seems to think we should only use latin and extended latin. Not quite sure why |
| 12:01:52 | bluebrother | anyone against rejecting FS #7835? We don't need to copy the behaviour of the OF ... |
| 12:02:12 | rasher | bluebrother: you could ask him for an argument first |
| 12:02:19 | rasher | Other than "do as the OF". |
| 12:02:19 | amiconn | The credits are displayed with whatever font the user uses |
| 12:02:40 | preglow | and that is always latin? |
| 12:02:45 | rasher | amiconn: That's not all the CREDITS file does. It's also included in the source distribution. I think it should be as accurate as possible |
| 12:02:53 | amiconn | No, but virtually all fonts support latin |
| 12:03:02 | rasher | A few broken strings in the credits plugin is better than the inaccuracy I'd say |
| 12:03:10 | amiconn | ...but not necessarily other scripts |
| 12:03:23 | bluebrother | the credits have non-latin1 character |
| 12:03:26 | preglow | at least we should include both |
| 12:04:13 | rasher | Crackerizer: I think you've translated the english (source) string in a few cases. See http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/?cmd=edit&lang=thai |
| 12:05:33 | markun | rasher: can't you auto remove deprecated strings in your editor? |
| 12:05:35 | Crackerizer | rasher: ok |
| 12:05:49 | markun | instead of typing 'none' every time |
| 12:05:54 | rasher | markun: I do that already (they're not shown in the edit page) |
| 12:06:09 | rasher | Some strings have none for * though |
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| 12:06:36 | rasher | But deprecated strings are handled automatically (should be, at least) |
| 12:06:39 | markun | ah, ok |
| 12:07:15 | markun | nice tool btw |
| 12:07:19 | preglow | rasher: is the rockbox/translate/ page on your site up to date? |
| 12:07:37 | preglow | oh, damn, i didn't notice the edit links |
| 12:08:20 | Crackerizer | rasher: but there is somethinks out of my knowledge such as what mdb is... (that's why i dont translate it) |
| 12:08:22 | rasher | preglow: the last updated text at the bottom tells when the language files were updated (once per hour, and I just manually refreshed it) |
| 12:09:33 | amiconn | Crackerizer: MDB == Micronas Dynamic Bass, a bass enhancement features of the hw decoder used in the archoses |
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| 12:10:21 | rasher | This should really be in the desc: line of the first string with it.. |
| 12:10:56 | preglow | deed |
| 12:11:06 | rasher | In general, the desc lines are not always terribly helpful to translators (that's what it's there for, right?) |
| 12:11:52 | Crackerizer | amiconn: thank you. |
| 12:12:24 | petur | rasher: doesn't that last commit need a change to credits too? |
| 12:12:34 | rasher | petur: oops, yes |
| 12:13:15 | markun | B4gder: http://mp4nation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=98 |
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| 12:15:25 | petur | markun: you should tell them the product can be banned from the market and they might get sued.... |
| 12:16:09 | markun | petur: maybe you should tell them. I know very little about legal stuff. |
| 12:16:15 | * | petur too |
| 12:16:28 | markun | who's the lawyer in hre again? |
| 12:16:55 | petur | febs is not here |
| 12:17:47 | rasher | Well, depending on how their OS works, they may only have to provide source for the emulator itself. Saying the entire OS is opensource is jumping to conclusions |
| 12:19:56 | markun | rasher: yes, perhaps |
| 12:20:35 | markun | there might be a filesystem in that image is what you mean, right? |
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| 12:24:30 | Crackerizer | is there anyway we can render a font correctly without changing the core code? |
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| 12:25:06 | kugel | hello |
| 12:25:30 | kugel | what does that commit mean? "Oops. Actually add the IDCT file for ARM. :p" |
| 12:26:20 | markun | kugel: the file was supposed to be in the previous commit |
| 12:26:27 | kugel | i actually mean, what is idct and his impact on the video polayback |
| 12:26:48 | kugel | -o |
| 12:26:59 | markun | it's an algorithm used in the decoding. The ARM optimized version should make playback faster on ARM targets |
| 12:27:21 | markun | (ipods, gigabeat, iriver h10...) |
| 12:28:10 | markun | kugel: if you really want to know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_cosine_transform |
| 12:29:14 | kugel | i allready read that, but i didnt understand it |
| 12:30:16 | * | bluebrother notices the DFT doesn't use complex calculations |
| 12:30:35 | Nico_P | kugel: you need a little math background... maybe the more general http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_analysis will be easier |
| 12:31:17 | markun | bluebrother: no? |
| 12:31:45 | bluebrother | markun: according to wikipedia ... |
| 12:31:48 | kugel | i dont even understand that in my natve language :o |
| 12:31:52 | nls | Yay aonther batch of tremor optimizations from tomal :-) |
| 12:32:13 | kugel | but, that it makes videoplayback faster was enough^^ |
| 12:32:37 | markun | bluebrother: on my wikipedia it says: "The sequence of N complex numbers x0, ..., xN−1 is transformed into the sequence of N complex numbers X0, ..., XN−1 by the DFT according to the formula:" |
| 12:33:28 | bluebrother | I was reading the german version which tells the DCT doesn't calculate using complex number but only real coefficients |
| 12:33:46 | markun | nls: I hope he wants to BSD license his changes and give them back to xiph |
| 12:33:59 | bluebrother | maybe that page is wrong |
| 12:34:05 | markun | bluebrother: DCT != DFT |
| 12:35:06 | nls | markun: yes, that would be nice, i have never seen any comment on licensing from him so maybe he just didn't consider it |
| 12:35:27 | bluebrother | markun: I'm reading the page on DCT ... |
| 12:35:42 | * | bluebrother notices he wrote DFT instead of DCT earlier. D'oh! |
| 12:37:10 | * | bluebrother goes standing in the corner |
| 12:39:29 | Crackerizer | -_-' |
| 12:43:36 | Nico_P | Crackerizer: what do you call "correctly" ? |
| 12:44:34 | amiconn | Crackerizer: The current font rendering code wouldn't work correctly with overlapping glyphs, depending on the drawmode though |
| 12:45:23 | Crackerizer | Nico_P: rendering overlapping glyphs. |
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| 12:47:04 | Crackerizer | amiconn: which means, we need to change the core code to correct it, am i right? |
| 12:47:30 | Nico_P | in what cases are overlapping glyphs needed ? |
| 12:48:12 | markun | Nico_P: rendering of accents on thai glyphs in this case |
| 12:48:24 | Crackerizer | Nico_P: Thai must uses overlapping glyphs to draw text correctly. |
| 12:48:34 | Nico_P | ok now I see :) |
| 12:48:55 | Spyro_boy | mmm |
| 12:49:17 | B4gder | maybe we can fix Thai instead? ;-P |
| 12:49:31 | Crackerizer | B4gder: :) |
| 12:51:55 | Crackerizer | If i could manage to solve thai font rendering, do i need to make it work on all players? |
| 12:52:18 | markun | of course |
| 12:52:26 | B4gder | if you make it work, it more or less _will_ work on all players |
| 12:52:34 | B4gder | unless you do something really funny |
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| 12:53:06 | Gekz | hey there. |
| 12:53:16 | Gekz | is there still a heavy battery penalty on the ipod nanos? |
| 12:53:40 | preglow | on all ipods |
| 12:53:45 | preglow | except 1-3g |
| 12:53:52 | Llorean | Gekz: When the iPod battery problem is solved, it'll probably be on the MajorChanges page. |
| 12:54:37 | Gekz | Llorean: is it still because the other processor isn't utilised? |
| 12:54:54 | Llorean | No, it really doesn't have much to do with the other processor. |
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| 12:57:40 | Gekz | Llorean: then what is it? |
| 12:57:53 | Crackerizer | B4gder: I see a couple lcd interfaces, lcd-1bit-vert.c, lcd-2bit-horz.c etc. are they what i have to play with?? |
| 12:58:11 | B4gder | no, you'd have to change the generic font/lcd code |
| 12:58:33 | B4gder | that code just stores data in a framebuffer |
| 12:58:44 | Llorean | Gekz: The current idea is that hardware isn't shutdown properly when not in use, etc. But honestly, if we knew exactly what was wrong, then it'd be easier to fix. |
| 12:59:53 | amiconn | B4gder: Font rendering isn't generic, it happens in the mentioned lcd-<pixelformat>.c files |
| 12:59:54 | Crackerizer | B4gder: is font/lcd a part of firmware? |
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| 13:00:11 | amiconn | This is because fonts are simply collections of mono bitmaps |
| 13:00:15 | B4gder | oh right |
| 13:00:51 | amiconn | But that simple mechanism won't work for overlapping glyphs, except if only drawing foreground pixels |
| 13:01:35 | Crackerizer | seem like a big change here if we want to correct it. |
| 13:01:53 | B4gder | what other languages than Thai need this? |
| 13:02:25 | Crackerizer | B4gder: no idea. |
| 13:02:35 | Gekz | Llorean: doesn't the software just put it into deep sleep? |
| 13:02:50 | amiconn | I don't know of others that *need* it, but even latin can use "combining diacritical marks" instead of precomposed glyphs |
| 13:03:17 | Llorean | Gekz: You say "Just" as if we had instructions for how to do this. |
| 13:03:23 | amiconn | That won't work properly in rockbox atm either |
| 13:04:20 | Nico_P | amiconn: don't these files (lcd-*.c) have a lot in common ? wouldn't it be better to factor some of the code out ? |
| 13:04:30 | Gekz | Llorean: don't take it the wrong way. You know what I mean;t. |
| 13:04:44 | Gekz | I mean't that it simply puts it to sleep, with nothing special. |
| 13:04:48 | Gekz | and it was a question. |
| 13:05:02 | B4gder | Gekz: you talking about the second cpu core? |
| 13:05:08 | Spyro_boy | bah |
| 13:05:18 | Gekz | no. |
| 13:05:20 | Llorean | B4gder: He's talking about sleeping various hardware on the portalplayer devices to get battery savings like on the 1G-3G |
| 13:05:39 | amiconn | Nico_P: They have a few things in common, but the mono bitmap rendering does not belong to these common things. |
| 13:05:54 | B4gder | ok, "sleep" is just an odd work for "disable" or "switch off" ;-) |
| 13:05:59 | B4gder | word |
| 13:06:04 | Llorean | Gekz: If you know how to sleep all the hardware, you're more than welcome to write the code. There's nothing "simple" about doing it, as I said. |
| 13:06:39 | Gekz | Stop taking it the wrong way, jeez. I'm asking a simple question of whether the software just turns the entire device off or not. |
| 13:06:51 | B4gder | Gekz: we init the hw as far as we know |
| 13:06:58 | B4gder | that is probably not enough |
| 13:07:07 | Llorean | Gekz: I'm not taking it the wrong way. You keep saying "simply do Blah" as if we know how. |
| 13:07:12 | amiconn | B4gder: 'switch off' isn't 100% correct either. The DEV_EN bits actually enable or disable the clock for the various functional units |
| 13:07:25 | B4gder | aha |
| 13:07:29 | Llorean | Gekz: Rockbox obviously doesn't do this properly, or we'd have better battery life. |
| 13:07:33 | B4gder | thanks, I hadn't noticed |
| 13:07:53 | Gekz | simply as in the opposite of complex. |
| 13:08:06 | B4gder | Gekz: it probably is very easily done once found |
| 13:08:08 | Gekz | my understanding is: no. |
| 13:08:13 | B4gder | the hard part is to find out how |
| 13:08:15 | amiconn | But for CMOS, switching off the clock does have essentially the same effect as switching of the unit completely |
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| 13:31:17 | B4gder | the nano problem is truly annoying |
| 13:31:23 | pondlife | Re: The Nano crashes, we have "It seems that the problem is in overheating. I put my ipod to a refrigerator for 5 minutes and it 'works' after it for 20 minutes well!" |
| 13:32:22 | amiconn | And we also have the opposite |
| 13:32:41 | pondlife | Putting the Nano in the oven? :) |
| 13:32:47 | B4gder | we do? I thought people could provoke it by heating it |
| 13:32:55 | morrijr | pondlife: microwave :) |
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| 13:35:32 | amiconn | B4gder:No, I mean that other people tried cooling it and it didn't fix the problem |
| 13:35:46 | B4gder | ah |
| 13:35:47 | Ave | ahaha... getting interesting |
| 13:35:53 | Ave | the heat problem, again (re: nano) |
| 13:36:15 | RaZorbacK | hi, nobody has problems with the voice.pl script? i've updated it about three times from svn but it keeps giving me an error |
| 13:36:18 | Ave | I too have to concur that heat definitely makes the issue more prominent |
| 13:36:50 | Ave | ever since I started to notice problems, they dont appear as cold, only after few minutes of playback |
| 13:37:10 | Ave | and if the device gets hot (sunlight in car etc) it gets bad right away |
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| 13:39:44 | Ave | has anyone tested using lower boost speed? does it affect the problem at all |
| 13:40:20 | Ave | I could lend my nano if no-one else surfaces as I fill the criteria |
| 13:42:51 | pondlife | amiconn? |
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| 14:16:17 | Crackerizer | amiconn: how many lcd are rockbox supported? (are they in rockbox/firmware/drivers?) |
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| 14:17:46 | Zagor | Crackerizer: how many different controllers, or how many simultaneous? |
| 14:19:18 | Crackerizer | Zagor: do you mean controller that supported by rockbox? |
| 14:19:48 | Zagor | I'm asking you to clarify your question. |
| 14:20:43 | Crackerizer | Zagor: i dont know. |
| 14:20:58 | Zagor | you don't know what you are asking? |
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| 14:24:01 | Crackerizer | Zagor: i'm looking at rockbox/firmware/drivers and see only lcd-1bit-vert.c, lcd-2bit-horz.c etc. But i dont see lcd-ipod3g, lcd-***. that's why i'm asking |
| 14:24:29 | B4gder | you don't need to adapt for the controllers when changing font code, only to the various framebuffer formats |
| 14:24:33 | B4gder | I think |
| 14:25:17 | Crackerizer | It like the players share the same code for the specific display |
| 14:25:36 | B4gder | the ones that have the same framebuffer formats share that code |
| 14:25:47 | Crackerizer | I see |
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| 14:27:53 | kugel_ | wtf |
| 14:27:59 | kugel_ | i type /ghost |
| 14:28:10 | kugel_ | and nickserv gets shost |
| 14:28:59 | Zagor | I think the proper interface is to /msg nickserv |
| 14:29:23 | B4gder | yeah, it shoulds like yout /ghost alias/command has a typo or something |
| 14:29:27 | B4gder | your |
| 14:29:51 | GodEater_ | /query nickserv for preference |
| 14:29:57 | GodEater_ | then all your commands are in a seperate window |
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| 14:35:40 | kugel__ | ah |
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| 14:35:54 | kugel | my fault |
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| 14:47:20 | Zagor | Shanasabang is a great name |
| 14:48:31 | Spyro_boy | I tried building a bootable rockbox last night and failed. Doesn't work for some reason, but in any case. I assume that the daily build is updated from the svn, obviosly, daily? |
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| 14:49:07 | petur | Zagor: since working together with an indian company I have learned many great names thast I cannot pronounce ;) |
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| 14:49:41 | Zagor | Spyro_boy: I assume by "daily" you mean build.rockbox.org? |
| 14:52:13 | Crackerizer | Zagor: that's my last name :) |
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| 14:55:29 | * | Zagor uncomments HAVE_USBSTACK and braces himself |
| 14:55:51 | Spyro_boy | Zagor, yes. |
| 14:55:54 | petur | woohoo :) |
| 14:56:35 | Spyro_boy | Zagor, hrmm? that's not enabled by default? |
| 14:57:02 | Zagor | Spyro_boy: this is our yet-experimental sw usb implementation |
| 14:57:40 | Spyro_boy | for which player? |
| 14:57:55 | Zagor | sansa |
| 14:57:59 | Spyro_boy | damn |
| 14:58:04 | Spyro_boy | I have a sansa |
| 14:58:15 | Spyro_boy | Zagor, if that works, mind passing on your build to me? |
| 14:58:21 | Zagor | currently we boot the OF on sansas for usb mode |
| 14:58:21 | petur | and H10, ipod... |
| 14:58:34 | Spyro_boy | 0F? |
| 14:58:39 | petur | Zagor: the pc should recognise is as MSC, but there the journey ends |
| 14:58:39 | Spyro_boy | wait, OF? |
| 14:58:42 | Zagor | Spyro_boy: this is work in progress. it will not be ready for a while. |
| 14:58:48 | Spyro_boy | ah |
| 14:58:51 | Zagor | Spyro_boy: OF = Original Firmware |
| 14:58:51 | Spyro_boy | ouch |
| 14:58:55 | Spyro_boy | ah. |
| 14:59:06 | Spyro_boy | I guess I should figure out why dual doesn't work then. |
| 14:59:23 | B4gder | doesn't work on what target? |
| 14:59:26 | Zagor | Spyro_boy: what happens? |
| 14:59:48 | Spyro_boy | nothing. |
| 14:59:50 | Spyro_boy | I turn it off. |
| 15:00 |
| 15:00:01 | Spyro_boy | I hold left, and press the power button. |
| 15:00:15 | Spyro_boy | Gives some sort of debug info and then my screen looks like it's burning away with some framebuffer effect. |
| 15:00:17 | Zagor | you have a c200? |
| 15:00:21 | Spyro_boy | e280 |
| 15:00:32 | Spyro_boy | and then it reboots after that. |
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| 15:00:34 | B4gder | yeah, lots of people have problems to boot OF using a recent bootloader |
| 15:00:40 | Spyro_boy | ;/ |
| 15:00:47 | B4gder | go with 0.2 until the problem is fixed |
| 15:01:00 | Spyro_boy | hrmm.. I hate to ask, so I'll look for it first. |
| 15:01:16 | Spyro_boy | actually, I don't even know where the versions are specified. |
| 15:01:23 | Spyro_boy | where can I get 0.2? |
| 15:01:32 | Zagor | Spyro_boy: download.rockbox.org |
| 15:01:46 | Spyro_boy | ah. perfect |
| 15:01:47 | Spyro_boy | thanks |
| 15:02:59 | Zagor | hmm, where are the categories for lang files defined? my build doesn't think I am in category 'usbstack' |
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| 15:03:38 | Spyro_boy | gah.. I really hate asking, but I can't find it. is it specified as *0.2* or is it some build under the daily directory? |
| 15:03:38 | B4gder | Zagor: that's the features.txt |
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| 15:05:11 | Zagor | Spyro_boy: it's a bit hidden: http://download.rockbox.org/bootloader/sandisk-sansa/sansapatcher/old/v0.2/ |
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| 15:05:28 | Zagor | B4gder: ok. a make clean fixed it |
| 15:05:34 | Spyro_boy | thanks a million. I was just about to download a build from july. |
| 15:05:46 | petur | Zagor: trying this on c200? |
| 15:05:52 | Zagor | petur: yes |
| 15:05:57 | Spyro_boy | oh, so all I get is the utility to patch it? |
| 15:06:05 | Spyro_boy | it's not the actual bootloader? |
| 15:06:09 | Zagor | Spyro_boy: the util contains the bootloader |
| 15:06:14 | Spyro_boy | oh |
| 15:06:37 | Spyro_boy | I thought rockbox.mi4 had the bootloader. Damn, I really need to research this crap. |
| 15:07:07 | Zagor | you are correct. sansapatcher simply includes that file to make it easier. |
| 15:07:20 | B4gder | Spyro_boy: rockbox.mi4 is the main rockbox binary |
| 15:07:20 | Spyro_boy | ah. |
| 15:07:34 | Spyro_boy | yeah, I thought it also had the bootloader software. |
| 15:07:38 | Zagor | ah, right. you weren't entirely correct :) |
| 15:07:45 | Spyro_boy | damn :/ |
| 15:07:47 | Spyro_boy | oh-well |
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| 15:09:11 | Zagor | the bootloader and the rockbox firmware are two separate entities. once you've installed the bootloader, upgrading rockbox is as simple as unzipping rockbox.zip in your root |
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| 15:09:45 | Spyro_boy | oh that's right. |
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| 15:10:07 | Spyro_boy | Any specific reason to update a bootloader if it works? |
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| 15:10:15 | Zagor | no |
| 15:10:23 | Spyro_boy | fair enough |
| 15:10:26 | Spyro_boy | thanks for the info. |
| 15:10:40 | * | petur kicks door behind LinusN shut |
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| 15:13:38 | Spyro_boy | Uh... |
| 15:13:48 | Spyro_boy | meh. |
| 15:13:52 | Spyro_boy | I'll figure it out. |
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| 15:15:20 | Spyro_boy | for some reason, on my home computer, and just before on my laptop, this was working. |
| 15:15:53 | Spyro_boy | I would enter recovery mode to put the firmware in, but now it goes to recovery, detects everything and then reboots with no delay. |
| 15:16:11 | Spyro_boy | think it's my laptop? |
| 15:16:12 | Zagor | you don't need recovery mode with sansapatcher |
| 15:16:20 | Spyro_boy | no? |
| 15:16:22 | Zagor | just plain usb mode |
| 15:16:33 | Spyro_boy | well, I can't get into the OF. |
| 15:16:38 | Spyro_boy | do I need to? |
| 15:17:02 | Zagor | ah, yes you do. and for that you need recovery mode :) |
| 15:17:09 | Spyro_boy | :/ |
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| 15:17:59 | Zagor | I recommend you do like this: 1: enter recovery mode, copy the OF to the sansa. 2) reboot 3) connect usb cable 4) run sansapatcher 5) install rockbox.zip |
| 15:18:07 | Spyro_boy | I can't |
| 15:18:16 | Spyro_boy | before I can even mount it, it reboots. |
| 15:18:17 | Zagor | you can't enter recovery mode? |
| 15:18:18 | Spyro_boy | from recovery |
| 15:18:25 | Spyro_boy | I enter it but it just goes. |
| 15:18:34 | Zagor | your sansa or your computer reboots? |
| 15:18:39 | Spyro_boy | sansa |
| 15:18:46 | Zagor | weird |
| 15:18:55 | B4gder | that sounds like a bad usb |
| 15:18:56 | scorche | then just hold record the whole time and see if it reboots, then stays in recovery mode the second time |
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| 15:19:29 | Spyro_boy | B4gder, sounds like it. |
| 15:19:36 | Spyro_boy | it worked once.. |
| 15:19:48 | scorche | are you in windows or linux? |
| 15:20:03 | Spyro_boy | linux |
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| 15:20:23 | Spyro_boy | usb 5-1: USB disconnect, address 20 |
| 15:20:35 | Spyro_boy | the funny thing is, it's still connected. |
| 15:20:43 | stewball`ghost | hey all |
| 15:21:00 | Zagor | petur: my c200 won't even start with usbstack enabled... |
| 15:21:11 | petur | ouch |
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| 15:22:05 | stewball` | could anyone help me with getting WMP to recognise my ipod? |
| 15:22:13 | Spyro_boy | what is that? |
| 15:22:18 | Spyro_boy | winamp or windows media player? |
| 15:22:23 | stewball` | windows media player |
| 15:22:31 | scorche | stewball`: that has nothing to do with rockbox... |
| 15:22:45 | Spyro_boy | unless rockbox changes the way ipods interact, windows media player cannot interact with ipods. |
| 15:22:52 | stewball` | darn |
| 15:23:04 | Spyro_boy | atleast, that's what I've discovered. |
| 15:23:13 | Zagor | petur: false alarm. a new clean build boots fine. |
| 15:23:18 | stewball` | ok ok cheers |
| 15:24:06 | Spyro_boy | whatever. I'll wait until I get home. |
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| 15:24:37 | Zagor | iManufacturer 1 RockBox |
| 15:24:41 | Zagor | iProduct 2 RockBox Storage Driver |
| 15:24:50 | Zagor | it's a nice feeling |
| 15:25:02 | scorche | i dont see what would prevent it from being used by WMP (assuming WMP will accept a plain UMS drive)...but as i said, it is offtopic here |
| 15:25:08 | scorche | ....and i have to go to work |
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| 15:25:29 | petur | Zagor: yes, but we still need to fix the fact that we need a valid ID... |
| 15:25:39 | Zagor | petur: yeah.. |
| 15:25:57 | Zagor | ouch: scsi 74:0:0:0: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery |
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| 15:26:23 | petur | Zagor: yes, MSC is not ready yet |
| 15:26:33 | Zagor | I know |
| 15:27:03 | Zagor | I think I'll build a new usb-storage module with verbose logging enabled. the default messages are a little thin. |
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| 15:27:21 | B4gder | I believe there's a generic usb debug too |
| 15:27:28 | B4gder | usbmon too even |
| 15:28:30 | Zagor | yes |
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| 15:33:46 | Zagor | regarding usb id, we probably want to use the OF ids |
| 15:34:05 | LinusN | yes we do |
| 15:34:24 | Zagor | I suspect registering our own name with the usb consortium would be a costly endevour... |
| 15:36:18 | nls | LinusN: sorry to ask, but do you have any plans for the h300 bootloader? |
| 15:36:35 | kugel | yay |
| 15:36:55 | LinusN | nls: plans, yes. time, no. |
| 15:37:07 | kugel | nvm, im not allowed to talk about that here... |
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| 15:37:32 | nls | LinusN: ah, yes that time thing... :-) |
| 15:38:16 | LinusN | yesh that one |
| 15:38:21 | LinusN | yeah |
| 15:38:29 | * | LinusN is swamped as usual |
| 15:38:53 | Spyro_boy | I got swamped with this laptop. Not sure why it's not working properly. |
| 15:39:05 | LinusN | Zagor: could be interesting to check |
| 15:39:10 | Spyro_boy | Well. I'm over and out. |
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| 15:55:02 | amiconn | ouch |
| 15:55:11 | amiconn | Zagor: http://www.usb.org/developers/vendor/ |
| 15:56:03 | Zagor | yeah, $4000/year is a bit much for an open source project... |
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| 15:56:25 | Zagor | ah, you can get it for $1000 even. how cheap! :) |
| 15:57:06 | Zagor | but then it only lives for two years... |
| 15:57:20 | preglow | eh |
| 15:57:22 | preglow | do we need to do that? |
| 15:57:22 | Zagor | nah, we'll piggyback on the devices' own id |
| 15:57:28 | preglow | thanks, then |
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| 15:58:46 | Zagor | I bet some cruddy software somewhere will barf on some minute difference in detail. But then we get to yell at them. |
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| 15:59:23 | Zagor | gotta run |
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| 16:13:51 | justemoa | hello :) |
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| 16:17:09 | justemoa | hum, i would like to know something |
| 16:17:46 | justemoa | i bought an archos gmini xs 202 and i would like to install rockbox in, |
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| 16:18:45 | nls | justemoa: it's not supported |
| 16:18:52 | justemoa | i had read the FAQ and a lot of others page, but i didn't understand .. |
| 16:18:53 | justemoa | arf |
| 16:19:18 | justemoa | but was it |
| 16:19:20 | justemoa | ? |
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| 16:22:45 | nls | no, there was a port for gmini 120 but it was abandoned |
| 16:23:16 | scorche|work | justemoa: all players that are supported are listed on the front page |
| 16:23:31 | justemoa | ha ok. and do you know if there is an other system like Rockbox for my player ? |
| 16:25:01 | scorche|work | no clue |
| 16:25:27 | GodEater_ | archopen perhaps ? |
| 16:25:35 | * | GodEater_ doesn't know if it works on the gminis or not |
| 16:26:07 | justemoa | ok, i'll see. |
| 16:26:25 | justemoa | thank you :D |
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| 16:58:33 | bend | Hello. Could someone tell me why I get the error schematically shown at http://pastebin.ca/715849 ? Why is the address of a global var not considered const? |
| 16:59:42 | nls | maybe because a non static is allocated on the stack? |
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| 17:00:48 | bend | nls: no, it's not in a function. |
| 17:01:00 | bluebrother | why do you declare the nested struct in a struct? |
| 17:01:44 | bend | bluebrother: I don't know, saw this in an example. It couldbe defined separately. |
| 17:03:29 | bluebrother | and in the 2nd declaration the initializer is not const because the nonstatic struct variable is neither const nor static |
| 17:04:56 | bend | bluebrother: not the var itself but its address is taken. The var is "global", i.e. its life time is the same as static, but it's visible from the outside. |
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| 17:07:00 | bluebrother | does it make sense at all? You hide the struct in line 14 to the outside but would allow accessing a part of it from outside |
| 17:08:11 | bend | bluebrother: yes, that's what I want. Part of the structure should be made accessible. |
| 17:08:34 | bluebrother | well, when thinking about data hiding stuff I don't think this is a good solution. |
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| 17:09:04 | bluebrother | and _might_ be the reason why the compiler refuses it. But that's just guessing ... |
| 17:10:38 | bend | bluebrother: but the address *is* a const. The declaration doesn't dictate that the contents of the nested struct be const, just the pointer. |
| 17:12:16 | bluebrother | well, does it work if you pass a pointer to that struct that is explicitly const? I.e. declare a new pointer which is const and pass that |
| 17:13:39 | bend | bluebrother: yes, that works. But it disappoints me. |
| 17:14:45 | bluebrother | well, I don't know the exact reason but this clearly tells that there _is_ something different. |
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| 17:16:23 | bend | I'll try to investigate |
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| 18:23:41 | |Rain| | is sleep() safe in the bootloader with interrupts disabled? |
| 18:24:39 | |Rain| | (arm/pp) |
| 18:24:51 | amiconn | nope |
| 18:25:02 | amiconn | Or maybe it is |
| 18:25:09 | amiconn | Last time I checked, it wasn't |
| 18:25:20 | amiconn | Ordinary sleep() relies on the timer tick interrupt |
| 18:26:13 | amiconn | There was the idea to have an usec timer based special sleep() for the bootloader, but I don't know whether this was implemented |
| 18:26:30 | nls | this is really strange... how can a simple one line change in a function that is not called at all when playing vorbis files reduce performance noticably? |
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| 18:27:21 | amiconn | nls: Cache aliasing... |
| 18:28:15 | nls | amiconn: you think so, it reduced performance from 326% realtime to 300% |
| 18:28:19 | |Rain| | amiconn: there's a special sleep() for the bootloader on PP (it looks like a busy loop that calls the scheduler, but I haven't followed that code all the way through yet...), but a thread is also being created that calls queue_wait_w_tmo(), and that's when it all falls down |
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| 18:29:05 | amiconn | Afaik the bootloader is (or should be) single threaded |
| 18:29:17 | amiconn | nls: very possible. |
| 18:29:23 | nls | and is there a way to predict such cache aliasing problems? |
| 18:29:33 | preglow | nls: simulators... |
| 18:29:42 | amiconn | preglow: ?? |
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| 18:29:58 | amiconn | The simulator certainly doesn't help here |
| 18:29:58 | preglow | amiconn: what? |
| 18:30:03 | preglow | simulatorS |
| 18:30:05 | preglow | plural |
| 18:30:07 | preglow | not our simulators |
| 18:30:19 | amiconn | You mean emulators.... |
| 18:30:24 | |Rain| | in particular, I'm looking at ata_init() in firmware/target/arm/sandisk/ata-c200_e200.c −− it calls create_thread(sd_thread, ...), then sleep(); meanwhile, sd_thread() calls queue_wait_w_tmo(), and that's where execution seems to halt |
| 18:30:27 | preglow | they get called loads of things |
| 18:30:49 | preglow | but you pretty much need one of those things to predict cache behaviour |
| 18:31:32 | amiconn | |Rain|: Again, bootloader should be single threaded. If there is code that creates additional threads that is *not* ifdefed away for bootloaders, I'd consider that a bug |
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| 18:32:01 | |Rain| | k. |
| 18:32:36 | amiconn | The sd thread is probably there for hotswap handling. It's certainly not needed in the bootloader |
| 18:32:49 | |Rain| | yeah, I was just thinking that |
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| 18:33:14 | |Rain| | thank you |
| 18:33:26 | amiconn | I think that's the most liekly cause of the failing sansa bootloader... |
| 18:33:53 | * | amiconn now checked out that ainol V2000 video |
| 18:33:55 | |Rain| | if you have the USB stack enabled, there's a problem there too |
| 18:34:21 | amiconn | The usb stack far from finished. Expect all sorts of problems |
| 18:34:37 | |Rain| | oh, I do. I mean to hack on the mass storage code, eventually |
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| 18:35:02 | |Rain| | if it's enabled, though, the bootloader ends up trying to call 0xffffffff though |
| 18:36:28 | |Rain| | right now, I'm just trying to get rid of the annoying 'clear from black to white, then back to black' behavior in the bootloader −− the rest of rockbox was way easier to get a working build out of than the bootloader :) |
| 18:37:29 | amiconn | Why are you trying to compile the usb stack into the bootloader? |
| 18:37:49 | amiconn | Imho it should be part of main rockbox |
| 18:38:50 | |Rain| | I agree. I have the #define set in config-e200.h, and it got picked up by the bootloader |
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| 18:40:08 | |Rain| | most of the usb stack stuff is #ifdef'd out in the bootloader, but there was a call to usb_stack_stop() without a call to usb_stack_init(), so the code tries to call an undefined function pointer |
| 18:42:14 | |Rain| | it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to just #undef it ifdef BOOTLOADER, but right now I'm just taking the path of least resistance to a working bootloader |
| 18:42:19 | nls | hmm, it appears SkyEye actually supports the MCF5249 but I think setting this up will be too much work :-/ |
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| 18:44:50 | amiconn | It should be possible to spot potential cache aliasing issues without an emulator, using the .map files, provided that (1) you know which functions are called very often in an alternating fashing, e.g. from profiling and (2) you know the cache organisation |
| 18:45:02 | amiconn | Fortunately (2) is documented for coldfire |
| 18:45:10 | amiconn | s/fashing/fashion/ |
| 18:47:28 | nls | amiconn: the odd thing is that the change that caused it is in id3.c in one of the mp3 metadata functions which are not even called when running test_codec on a vorbis file |
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| 18:56:20 | amiconn | nls: Eh? Is there any core code that is called frequently while decoding? |
| 18:58:00 | amiconn | Because, if it is, cache aliasing can still be the problem, even if a totally unrelated function changes size, as that moves all subsequent functions around in memory |
| 18:58:37 | nls | amiconn: I dunno but from my results it looks that way, comparing a build from before that cahnge with one after shows that the vorbis.codec and test_codec.rock files are identical |
| 18:59:58 | amiconn | But if decoding doesn't call any core function, your results don't make sense... |
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| 19:00:28 | amiconn | That also applies if the called core functions are all in iram, unless there's something wrong with cache setup |
| 19:00:45 | amiconn | (iram should be uncached as caching it would be a waste) |
| 19:06:45 | Lear | nls: What kind of change is it? |
| 19:07:31 | nls | If you are interested, the change that caused the speed drop is r14602 |
| 19:07:39 | nls | in id3.c |
| 19:08:33 | nls | Lear: I'm using your patch on my gcc so if it is this sensitive to changes someone with an unpatched compiler will probably get different results |
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| 19:09:49 | nls | btw, i'm testing out tomals lates tremor patches and they are nice :-) the vbpcm.diff makes a big difference |
| 19:10:30 | Lear | And this is with which gcc version? :) |
| 19:11:16 | nls | 3.4.6 otherwis I wouldn't be bothering you guys :-) |
| 19:11:22 | Lear | Ooh, I imagine it could make a noticeable difference, yes... |
| 19:13:43 | nls | with the vbpcm patch it goes from 300% realtime to 333% realtime on my test track that before that speed drop used to be 326% and with the codebook patch too it i get 341%, so palyback with replaygain without boosting :-) |
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| 19:18:25 | preglow | wooot |
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| 19:49:27 | webguest80 | Hi all |
| 19:49:36 | webguest80 | Just wondering where on the site I can download the plugins |
| 19:49:46 | webguest80 | I can't seem to find any plugins I want to download |
| 19:50:10 | Domonoky | webguest80: all plugins are included.. :-) |
| 19:50:16 | webguest80 | ah!!! |
| 19:50:24 | webguest80 | That would explain it!! heh! thanks |
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| 19:50:45 | markun | bye ;) |
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| 19:55:54 | Crash91 | hello |
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| 20:00:53 | kfazz | is it possible to do the opposite of what bmp2rb does? |
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| 20:04:52 | jepler | sansa e200-series −− since USB doesn't work for data transfer (right?), any idea where I'd look in the source to make it go into "charging" mode when USB is attached and I'm in rockbox, instead of going into "shows USB logo but does nothing useful" mode? (I've already set up a machine and compiled the svn version of rockbox, but haven't tried my self-built version) |
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| 20:07:45 | scorche|work | jepler: there should be a button to hold while inserting the cable, however i dont know what it is off-hand...search the forums for it |
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| 20:08:18 | jepler | scorche|work: OK I'll see what I can find |
| 20:10:20 | sitwon | it's the Select button (big circle in the middle) |
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| 20:12:11 | jepler | thanks |
| 20:12:16 | jepler | that works great, thank you |
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| 20:12:57 | Temik | Need help! |
| 20:13:07 | nls | ask question! |
| 20:13:19 | jepler | is there some use to the USB mode on e200 that this isn't simply the default? |
| 20:13:36 | Temik | OS-FreeBSD-6.2, binutils-2.16.1, gcc-3.4.6 |
| 20:13:55 | Spyro_boy | jepler, dual boot |
| 20:14:01 | Spyro_boy | you need to use the original firmware |
| 20:14:03 | Temik | /var/tmp//ccFkGBZ7.s:29: Error: operands mismatch −− statement `fmovem.l %fpcr,%d1' ignored |
| 20:14:34 | Domonoky | and people are working on the the usbstack for rockbox.. :-) |
| 20:15:04 | Spyro_boy | yeah |
| 20:15:10 | jepler | yes, I know I can transfer by booting the original firmware (I'd probaby be very annoyed if I didn't know that:-P) |
| 20:15:11 | Spyro_boy | I thought that was obvious :) |
| 20:15:37 | Spyro_boy | not sure why this happens but my music folder on my sansa e280 is hidden from the file manager. |
| 20:15:44 | Spyro_boy | any idea why? |
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| 20:15:54 | * | Domonoky thinks sansa of does this.. |
| 20:16:08 | Spyro_boy | nope. |
| 20:16:18 | jepler | Spyro_boy: I noticed that too −− after setting up the Database, I can get to my music through it. |
| 20:16:18 | Spyro_boy | I wiped the drive and only put rockbox and it appeared. |
| 20:16:23 | Spyro_boy | I think the OF does it. |
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| 20:17:21 | scorche|work | Database looks in hidden folders |
| 20:17:27 | Spyro_boy | I'ma try to see if it's got the hidden attri. |
| 20:17:30 | nls | Temik: are you using any patches? for which file do you get that error |
| 20:17:30 | Domonoky | Temik: this is an error from compiling rockbox ? |
| 20:17:40 | scorche|work | so if it is there, database will pick it up |
| 20:17:52 | Spyro_boy | scorche|work, well, I like to use the file manager. |
| 20:18:17 | Domonoky | Spyro_boy: yes the sansa of hides it .. if yoe rename the folder.. all is good .-) |
| 20:18:19 | * | amiconn used one of his oldest targets this week, the archos plaer |
| 20:18:22 | amiconn | *player |
| 20:18:26 | Spyro_boy | Domonoky, really? |
| 20:18:29 | Spyro_boy | Interesting. |
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| 20:18:32 | Spyro_boy | I'll try that. |
| 20:18:38 | scorche|work | Spyro_boy: that was more to jepler |
| 20:18:52 | amiconn | Every time I do this, it's like a revelation. The MAS audio quality is still unsurpassed by any of the swcodec target's DACs |
| 20:18:54 | Spyro_boy | ah. |
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| 20:19:24 | nls | since when is audio quality important ? ;-) |
| 20:20:14 | Spyro_boy | I think the OF gives |
| 20:20:17 | Temik | ls> Temik: are you using any patches? for which file do you get that error |
| 20:20:18 | Temik | <Domonoky> Temik: this is an error from compiling rockbox ? |
| 20:20:18 | Temik | gmake[2]: *** [libgcc/m68040/_fixunsdfsi.o] Error 1 |
| 20:20:22 | Spyro_boy | "music" the hidden flag |
| 20:20:40 | Spyro_boy | because I can't see it in windows either and I don't have perms to view hidden folders. :/ |
| 20:20:55 | scorche|work | Spyro_boy: that is what we just said |
| 20:20:55 | * | Spyro_boy is at school. |
| 20:21:07 | Spyro_boy | scorche|work, eh. hehe. |
| 20:21:22 | Lear | Temik: Building GCC itself? See CrossCompiler wiki, and check for one of the gcc patches. |
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| 20:21:40 | markun | Temik: I get that as well in FreeBSD |
| 20:21:44 | Temik | patch gcc-3.4.6-amd64.patch |
| 20:21:54 | Spyro_boy | scorche|work, I assume the file manager doesn't have a "show hidden files" option? |
| 20:22:25 | Lear | Need gcc-3.4.6.patch too, perhaps... |
| 20:22:40 | Temik | Sorry, I'm badly say on English |
| 20:22:49 | bluebrother | Spyro_boy: you don't need to show hidden folders in windows explorer if you know the name ... |
| 20:22:55 | Domonoky | Spyro_boy: in rockbox you can choose the "view all" option..and the you see hidden folders.. |
| 20:22:56 | Spyro_boy | bluebrother, I know. |
| 20:23:04 | nls | Temik: the amd64 patch is to prevent an ICE when compiling gcc, not this error |
| 20:23:11 | Spyro_boy | bluebrother, I don't have perms on the school computers to enter hidden directories. |
| 20:23:11 | amiconn | bluebrother: Unless the location bar is hidden... |
| 20:23:22 | bluebrother | amiconn: indeed :) |
| 20:23:22 | Spyro_boy | Domonoky, looking.. |
| 20:24:00 | scorche|work | Spyro_boy: can you go to Tools > Folder Options? |
| 20:24:08 | Spyro_boy | oh |
| 20:24:12 | Spyro_boy | I think I found it. |
| 20:24:14 | Spyro_boy | scorche|work, no. |
| 20:24:31 | Spyro_boy | got it. |
| 20:24:40 | Spyro_boy | All I care is that I can view it in rockbox. :D |
| 20:25:06 | scorche|work | hrm...lunchtime |
| 20:25:15 | Spyro_boy | enjoy |
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| 20:28:52 | jepler | aw man |
| 20:29:00 | jepler | spacerocks will spawn you when a rock is right over the starting position |
| 20:29:16 | Spyro_boy | hahaha |
| 20:29:30 | Spyro_boy | spacerocks? does that come by default? |
| 20:29:32 | * | Spyro_boy looks |
| 20:29:38 | bluebrother | yes |
| 20:29:41 | Spyro_boy | cool, it does. |
| 20:29:54 | bluebrother | all plugins are part of the distribution. Well, all official plugins. |
| 20:30:25 | Lear | n1s: btw, saw a Vorbis speed difference in test_codec depending on core binary size too. |
| 20:30:44 | Spyro_boy | yeah |
| 20:31:42 | Temik | Thank very much! All good! |
| 20:33:34 | nls | Lear: maybe it's a test_codec issue rather than a vorbis issue... |
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| 20:37:13 | nico__ | hello |
| 20:37:53 | Lear | nls: Doesn't look like it. test_codec only updates the lcd once a second. But reset_poweroff_timer is called after each frame; probably better in the LCD update loop... |
| 20:40:09 | nico__ | i'm looking for a gapless flash memory player. since i'd rather avoid the nano, the only option seems to be rockbox on a Sansa e200; however i see that there are problems about the USB handler on those models... what does it mean exactly? |
| 20:40:50 | bluebrother | Rockbox does not have usb right now. You need to boot into the OF for accessing the "disc" |
| 20:41:27 | nico__ | hmm the OF only works with windows i think :-/ |
| 20:42:06 | |Rain| | there's an option to make it appear as a usb mass storage device in the OF settings |
| 20:42:21 | |Rain| | scsi 46:0:0:0: Direct-Access SanDisk Sansa e250 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 |
| 20:42:57 | nico__ | hmm ok so this can be a viable option... |
| 20:43:15 | nico__ | would you recommend it to me or rather point me to another player? |
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| 20:44:04 | |Rain| | I have one and like it, but I haven't played with a wide variety |
| 20:44:13 | bluebrother | if you want to put Rockbox on it the only alternative is the Nano 1G |
| 20:44:29 | nico__ | i've seen the Trekstor Vibez does gapless out of the box but i keep reading bad things about the clickwheel... plus it seems way more bulky |
| 20:45:15 | nico__ | bluebrother, actually i only want rockbox for the ability to play gapless, so if a players does it by default i don't need to replace its OF |
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| 20:45:34 | bluebrother | nico__: this is #rockbox. I don't think there are much people in here who can tell you much about unsupported players. |
| 20:46:01 | nico__ | right :) |
| 20:46:04 | nico__ | true |
| 20:46:34 | nico__ | anyway thanks, i think i'll go with the sansa |
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| 20:46:47 | bluebrother | so, speaking of players supported by Rockbox there are only the Ondio, Nano 1G and sansa that are flash based. |
| 20:47:42 | nico__ | ok |
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| 20:48:27 | nico__ | i understand that rockbox is rather focused on archoses, right? |
| 20:48:58 | bluebrother | not anymore. |
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| 20:49:36 | jepler | nico__: I just got a sansa e260 and I like it so far with rockbox |
| 20:49:49 | nico__ | anything foreseen about the Archos 105 ? |
| 20:49:54 | bluebrother | Rockbox isn't focussed on any specific players. It's just only that some players it has been ported to. |
| 20:50:55 | bluebrother | the archos 105 is completely different than the archos players that are currently supported. |
| 20:51:07 | desowin | nico__: don't fear, in OF you select msc usb mode, and then you can access it as any normal mass storage |
| 20:51:26 | desowin | it's covered by installation instructions too |
| 20:51:46 | nico__ | okay thanks |
| 20:52:10 | desowin | and rockbox own usb is not only a dream, it's much closer to have this implemented than few months ago |
| 20:52:14 | bluebrother | skimming the manual might be a good idea to get an idea about Rockbox ;-) |
| 20:52:45 | nico__ | i did it, that's where i read about the usb problem |
| 20:53:03 | * | bluebrother thought about the FAQ first |
| 20:53:11 | desowin | basically it's just - you want to connect to computer - you shut down rockbox and then plug cable |
| 20:53:20 | desowin | and everything is allright then |
| 20:53:40 | nico__ | ok |
| 20:54:03 | jepler | on the sansa, the OF insists on "rebuilding database" for about 2 minutes, so there can be a fairly long wait involved |
| 20:54:24 | jepler | (would this still happen if my music was not in the MUSIC/ folder?) |
| 20:54:28 | bluebrother | hasn't that been circumvented? |
| 20:54:42 | |Rain| | oi. rockbox's FAT code is very good at triggering gcc bugs :/ |
| 20:54:48 | desowin | depends if you have .mp3/.wma on player, if you have only .ogg then you aren't covered by that database thingie :D |
| 20:54:54 | Domonoky | bluebrother: only for certain sansa of versions.. |
| 20:54:57 | jepler | desowin: I have a lot of legacy .mp3 files |
| 20:55:02 | bluebrother | ok ... |
| 20:55:29 | nico__ | desowin, i'll make sure to encode all my stuff in ogg then ;-) |
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| 20:55:52 | amiconn | bluebrother: Only for certain versions of the OF |
| 20:55:57 | amiconn | meh |
| 20:55:58 | desowin | nico__: (don't be scared that OF won't play those) |
| 20:56:02 | * | amiconn should read up first |
| 20:56:22 | bluebrother | maybe telling me twice helps in me remembering it better ;-) |
| 20:56:36 | desowin | but OF of sansas is crap, rockbox takes use of that hardware |
| 20:56:54 | nico__ | desowin, if i got it right the OF won't be involved in playing the files but only getting them onto the device |
| 20:57:04 | nico__ | so no problem :) |
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| 21:09:00 | jepler | (no, renaming the MUSIC folder to MUSIC_ doesn't make the OF "Refresh Database" quick) |
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| 21:10:32 | jepler | hm, http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showpost.php?s=3e41114536225b14598e30226d3df939&p=143442&postcount=6 |
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| 21:14:20 | |Rain| | interesting |
| 21:14:50 | jepler | looks like I have a newer firmware than was supported at that time, 01.02.18A |
| 21:16:09 | krazykit | i'll try downgrading when i get back from work. i'd be happy to rid myself of that stupid "refresh database" |
| 21:18:14 | |Rain| | I believe 01.02.18A is the newest firmware for the americas |
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| 21:32:07 | Nico_P | dionoea: could you ping me when you come back ? |
| 21:34:26 | Chronon | Hmph. I can't seem to move a topic to Rockbox General Discussion at the moment |
| 21:34:36 | Chronon | (on the forums) |
| 21:35:19 | Chronon | nevermind... merging instead. |
| 21:39:44 | Spyro_boy | Wow. |
| 21:39:49 | Spyro_boy | RockDOOM owns. |
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| 21:47:36 | Spyro_boy | Hrmm.. |
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| 22:08:59 | jrsharp | hey all |
| 22:10:41 | toffe82 | hey you |
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| 22:18:54 | low_light | Zagor: I think I've got the system_reboot figured out |
| 22:19:11 | low_light | ^ for c200 |
| 22:19:57 | Zagor | aha! |
| 22:21:34 | scorche|work | Bagder: around? |
| 22:21:48 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:22:24 | low_light | Zagor: patch...http://rafb.net/p/M4cdm599.html |
| 22:24:03 | low_light | more magic ;) |
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| 22:27:12 | Bagder | "A DSP library, written entirely in c54x assembly, for communicating |
| 22:27:12 | Bagder | with the ARM side kernel module. " |
| 22:27:31 | Bagder | that's something for the mrobe 500 people to watch out for |
| 22:27:40 | Bagder | (from Neuros gsoc project) |
| 22:28:16 | Zagor | low_light: gotta love those magic numbers... |
| 22:31:16 | Spyro_boy | how do you develop for these devices? |
| 22:31:25 | Spyro_boy | I'm sure it's damn annoying to install the firmware everytime. |
| 22:31:34 | Zagor | Spyro_boy: cross compilers |
| 22:31:53 | Spyro_boy | yeah, but debugging must be hideous. |
| 22:32:09 | Zagor | that's why we do it right from the beginning ;) |
| 22:32:20 | Spyro_boy | :) |
| 22:33:23 | Spyro_boy | I feel like messing around with RockDOOM's sauce. I want to see if I can rebind left and right key to scroll left and right. |
| 22:33:42 | amiconn | Zagor: Did you try more extreme contrast values (namely 0 and 255)? Maybe it doesn't have as much effect as one might expect... |
| 22:34:19 | Zagor | amiconn: no. every time I tried anything other than 0x55 it gave me a black screen. |
| 22:34:34 | Zagor | I tried as low as 0x10 iirc |
| 22:34:38 | amiconn | eh? weird... |
| 22:34:47 | low_light | you need a magic wand |
| 22:34:55 | Zagor | hehe |
| 22:35:12 | Spyro_boy | magic wands rule. |
| 22:35:21 | amiconn | I noticed that there are some remarks regarding range limits, depending on the bias setting. Then I noticed that the init sequence doesn't touch the bias register... |
| 22:35:25 | preglow | how much cash will rockbox get for gsoc participation now? |
| 22:35:37 | Spyro_boy | gsoc? |
| 22:35:50 | Zagor | amiconn: yeah I saw that too. that's when I tried to go low, but no luck |
| 22:35:54 | preglow | google summer of code |
| 22:36:00 | Spyro_boy | ah. |
| 22:36:54 | scorche|work | preglow: i believe the FAQ said 500 |
| 22:37:20 | preglow | so 500*3 bucks, not too bad |
| 22:37:36 | Spyro_boy | why three? |
| 22:37:43 | Spyro_boy | three developers? |
| 22:37:45 | scorche|work | Mentoring organizations will receive 500 USD per student shortly after the final evaluation deadline, August 31, 2007 |
| 22:37:46 | Zagor | low_light: so you've tested that magic snippet and get it to reboot? with usb connected too? |
| 22:37:49 | preglow | three successful projects |
| 22:37:55 | Spyro_boy | oh. |
| 22:38:02 | scorche|work | preglow: are you sure it is successful only? |
| 22:38:13 | preglow | scorche|work: not at all |
| 22:38:43 | scorche|work | well, im sure we will find out... |
| 22:39:51 | low_light | Zagor: yes, it worked for me |
| 22:40:04 | Zagor | excellent |
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| 22:42:27 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I would be surprised if google didn't pay for all projects, regardless if the student passed or failed. |
| 22:43:38 | preglow | \o/ |
| 22:44:53 | linuxstb_ | After all, we saved them money by failing the student ;) |
| 22:45:01 | scorche|work | actually, i think i remember asking this on the GSoC IRC back when the summer hadnt begun, and they said as long as the mentor reviews are fine....or something like that |
| 22:45:32 | low_light | Zagor: do you think it should reboot on usb insert or require button + usb (like the h10) |
| 22:46:18 | amiconn | I would think it should reboot normally, and enter usb power mode with button, like the other targets |
| 22:46:39 | Zagor | I think so too |
| 22:46:51 | amiconn | The h10 behaves the opposite to ease operation of mtp firmware H10s |
| 22:47:09 | amiconn | (ums trick reqires holding select on boot) |
| 22:49:22 | * | amiconn wonders whether the same magic applies to the e200 |
| 22:50:19 | Spyro_boy | mmmm magic |
| 22:50:51 | * | ender` yawns |
| 22:50:53 | low_light | I don't know why it's different for the OF vs BL |
| 22:51:41 | low_light | but I also don't know what 0x70000008 is used for |
| 22:53:08 | * | low_light discovers that select + usb insert enters usb power mode |
| 22:54:36 | scorche|work | "We'll discuss when you should fail your student, etc"....should be useful for next year |
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| 22:55:35 | toffe82 | I have a problem building the sim of the gigabeat F on the vmware image |
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| 22:56:33 | toffe82 | on language.o, it says file in wrong format |
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| 22:58:22 | linuxstb_ | toffe82: Did you previously build a normal build in the same directory? |
| 22:58:28 | toffe82 | yes |
| 22:58:46 | toffe82 | I just did a make clean and it works |
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| 23:04:23 | low_light | linuxstb_: should sansapatcher work on vista? |
| 23:05:43 | toffe82 | when I try to open a plug in in the simulator, I have an error the application is not a valid windows image, do I miss something ? |
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| 23:10:13 | linuxstb_ | low_light: Yes, but UAC can get in the way. |
| 23:10:29 | TMM | but then again, why would you want to? ;) |
| 23:12:17 | linuxstb_ | toffe82: Yes, do "make install" - the simulator runs native (e.g. x86) binaries, not the binaries from the device. |
| 23:12:56 | toffe82 | ok |
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| 23:14:33 | petur | Bagder: I take you saw the google mails re taxform? |
| 23:15:25 | Bagder | no I didn't |
| 23:16:58 | petur | did you send tax info to them? |
| 23:17:17 | Bagder | no |
| 23:17:47 | petur | they are doing the first batch of payments and if you want to be with them you need to send it in |
| 23:17:56 | * | petur will forward mail |
| 23:17:58 | low_light | linuxstb_: UAC? there's a c240 user who can't get it to work: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12906.0 |
| 23:17:58 | Bagder | I've got no mail about anything mentioning tax |
| 23:18:10 | scorche|work | i guess if you are not a non-profit, you take a 28% or so hit for taxes |
| 23:19:42 | preglow | are we anything at all? |
| 23:19:55 | petur | yup, bag of shit |
| 23:20:03 | Bagder | we're just a bunch of individuals |
| 23:20:04 | preglow | ahh, what's the tax hit for that? |
| 23:20:31 | Bagder | "send your W8BEN or W9 information" ... |
| 23:20:48 | Bagder | and I know _exactly_ what that is... :-) |
| 23:20:55 | scorche|work | This year's participation in GSoC was (as far as I know) the first real occasion where the K-3D project received money. Since there is no formal organization around K-3D, this raised the issue of how to handle the money. It would be nice to leave it with the organization itself, rather than just distributing it among the mentors with a 28% loss to taxes. That way, the money can be kept aside for things like advertising when the project is mature en |
| 23:21:33 | Bagder | W8BEN or W9 |
| 23:21:42 | Bagder | I take it that's some papers of some sort in the us? |
| 23:22:04 | scorche|work | im sure google (the search engine) can spead some light on that =) |
| 23:22:05 | preglow | shruggers |
| 23:22:11 | scorche|work | spread |
| 23:22:32 | Bagder | I just like the lack of info from these guys |
| 23:22:33 | low_light | Zagor: here's the usb reboot patch if you care to test...http://rafb.net/p/6Lg68S56.html |
| 23:23:35 | petur | Bagder: there has been info on this in the past, check your gmail boxx |
| 23:23:50 | Bagder | I checked, I've got no such info at all |
| 23:24:13 | Bagder | unless I got it in my spam box and it has been deleted automatically since |
| 23:24:33 | scorche|work | your spam box seems to eat up quite a bit of your mail =P |
| 23:24:46 | Bagder | gmail... eh sucks |
| 23:24:49 | Zagor | isn't that the idea? |
| 23:24:54 | Dark_Apostrophe | gmail sucks indeed. |
| 23:25:06 | Bagder | and they force me to use this for gsoc communications |
| 23:25:33 | Bagder | and yeah, google's own mail ends up in my gmail spam box is indeed irony |
| 23:25:43 | preglow | doesn't here |
| 23:25:50 | Dark_Apostrophe | Well, at least you don't have to read their spam. |
| 23:25:53 | Bagder | but then, my biggest problem is that they don't mail me at all |
| 23:26:01 | low_light | Zagor: I'm wondering if there could be problems if there's "disk" activity while it tries to reboot |
| 23:26:40 | Zagor | low_light: no, we don't get to that point until all threads have reported usb-ready |
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| 23:28:31 | low_light | good |
| 23:30:00 | low_light | gotta run |
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| 23:34:17 | toffe82 | linuxstb : I run make install but it still give me the same error, I am on vmware and after I copy the archos folder on my windows machine |
| 23:37:12 | Zagor | yay. got a linux kernel oops by the c200 |
| 23:38:02 | bluebrother | hmm. Is it true that ajbrec.ajz has the same header for player and recorder v1? |
| 23:38:20 | linuxstb_ | toffe82: Sounds like you're trying to run Linux code on Windows... |
| 23:38:21 | amiconn | yes and no |
| 23:38:26 | amiconn | (to bluebrother) |
| 23:38:34 | nls | toffe82: the vmware is linux, you can't run programs from it on windows |
| 23:38:43 | amiconn | It has the same header format, but on the player it's not called ajbrec.ajz |
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| 23:39:01 | bluebrother | ah. Missed that. Phew. |
| 23:39:41 | amiconn | (ajbrec probably means Archos JukeBox RECorder. Dunno about the extension.) |
| 23:39:42 | toffe82 | no, I compile rockbox on the linux and I run the windows sim |
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| 23:39:56 | webguest95 | Hi! |
| 23:40:02 | webguest95 | I have aquestion. |
| 23:40:25 | webguest95 | I would like to know if i could customize the rockbox bootscreen? |
| 23:40:27 | toffe82 | linuxstb : normally you compile rockbox on linux and use the sim on windows ? |
| 23:40:42 | webguest95 | Like change the picture that says rockbox? |
| 23:40:57 | bluebrother | webguest95: no, unless you recompile yourself |
| 23:40:58 | scorche|work | webguest95: yes, but you need to recompile |
| 23:41:04 | scorche|work | =) |
| 23:41:05 | webguest95 | oh |
| 23:41:29 | webguest95 | ...um...sorry but what dioes that mean? recompile? |
| 23:41:43 | bluebrother | you need to build the software yourself. |
| 23:42:12 | amiconn | toffe82: I'd say most of us either compile on linux and then also use the sim natively on linux, or compile on windows+cygwin and then use the sim on windows |
| 23:42:37 | webguest95 | ok i geuss that gonna be hard...is that the only way to do it? |
| 23:42:42 | Zagor | reboot, brb |
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| 23:42:44 | amiconn | That said, linux *can* crosscompile the sim for windows, but the wiki page about that even mentions that there are problems regarding plugins |
| 23:42:55 | toffe82 | amiconn: ok |
| 23:43:11 | amiconn | I don't know which flavour of vmware image you use (there are now 2 on the download server) |
| 23:45:00 | toffe82 | the debian4 from the wiki |
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| 23:45:51 | webguest95 | thanks anyway! I still like rockbox, i finally figured out how to put linux on my ipod 5G and...it sux...i caouldn't even find a way to use rockbox with it and i couldn't control the volume or even when i put the games on it they would load right! It also made my ipod slower. |
| 23:46:01 | * | amiconn mainly compiles on cygwin (more comfortable even if its slower), but sometimes also compiles on linux (either on an amd64 machine or on a "full fledged" vmware image) |
| 23:46:06 | webguest95 | ROckbox is way better by a million times! |
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| 23:47:37 | Bagder | hm, "the check" |
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| 23:48:00 | Bagder | I can't believe checks are still around in that big country |
| 23:48:22 | TMM | Bagder: seems a tad naive, doesn't it? |
| 23:48:42 | petur | heh, and faxing forms ;) |
| 23:48:53 | Bagder | yes, indeed a funny combo |
| 23:49:02 | Bagder | that 80s feeling ;-) |
| 23:49:09 | * | preglow never used a check |
| 23:49:24 | Bagder | I've used checks, but all of them have been sent to me from the US... |
| 23:49:27 | TMM | probably BECAUSE it is such a big country, probably very hard to change it all over to a better system |
| 23:49:31 | * | petur is old enough to have done it ;) |
| 23:49:51 | Bagder | haha |
| 23:49:53 | preglow | TMM: not exactly something that can't be done gradually |
| 23:50:01 | TMM | I suppose so |
| 23:50:16 | TMM | checks are gone from .nl since, well, at least 10 years, probably longer |
| 23:50:29 | preglow | you can still use checks here, i suppose |
| 23:50:34 | preglow | but people will look weirdly at you |
| 23:50:41 | Bagder | and laugh... |
| 23:50:43 | TMM | I can vaguely remember my father writing a check, but it is vague enough that it might be while I was 12 or younger |
| 23:50:55 | preglow | i remember my dad using them tons, but that's a long time ago |
| 23:51:15 | * | linuxstb_ spent most of his student life writing cheques - they work even if you have no money... |
| 23:51:19 | TMM | I'm too young to have used them :) |
| 23:51:32 | TMM | linuxstb_: isn't that kind of the problem? ;) |
| 23:52:34 | * | nls has never used checks nor fax machines... |
| 23:52:52 | TMM | ow I HAVE used fax machines, I'm not THAT young ;) |
| 23:53:12 | petur | Bagder: we should also write a round-up of gsoc for rockbox, shall I start it on a wiki page? |
| 23:53:22 | Bagder | yes please! |
| 23:53:32 | TMM | did rockbox recieve google support? :) |
| 23:53:46 | Bagder | TMM: 4 summer of code students |
| 23:53:54 | TMM | neat! what did they do? ;) |
| 23:54:39 | preglow | take the mentors hostage and demand money :/ |
| 23:54:48 | preglow | i'm still locked in a small room typing this via my mobile |
| 23:54:50 | TMM | ow, I suppose that would work :) |
| 23:55:13 | preglow | they churned out some code and got paid for it by google, really |
| 23:55:15 | TMM | preglow: you DO realize you can call 911 with it as well? it WOULD mean you'd have to go offline for a bit :) |
| 23:55:19 | Bagder | looking at the conditions, I think maybe someone in the US should received the money |
| 23:55:36 | Bagder | I'll read it through once more... |
| 23:55:38 | preglow | Bagder: we don't know anyone in the us we trust, do we? :P |
| 23:55:51 | Bagder | I can't think of any... :-P |
| 23:55:54 | * | Bagder ducks |
| 23:56:00 | * | preglow dives |
| 23:56:02 | petur | we have one mentor there |
| 23:57:10 | TMM | Bagder: they put my player in backorder :( |
| 23:57:26 | Bagder | :-( |
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