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#rockbox log for 2007-09-26

00:01:01amiconnZagor: Finding the other pin shouldn't be too difficult then
00:01:31Nico_Pbluebrother: what use would it be if they had different PIDs ?
00:02:01amiconnAs one pin is known, a search for manipulation of that port bit in the OF should reveal the function
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00:02:56bluebrotherNico_P: as rbutil now has autodetection based on usb pid it could distinguish between those two models
00:04:30Nico_Poh I got confused with the X5L... the X5V has a different build, right ?
00:04:58amiconnIt needs the bootloader as a different file name
00:04:58Nico_Phmm, what's the difference then ?
00:05:01bluebrotherit has a different bootloader
00:05:15bluebrotheramiconn: is the bootloader the same binary?
00:05:26bluebrotherI thought there was a slight difference too
00:06:34amiconnThe actual code is the same afaik
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00:07:16amiconnBut the ??_FW.bin file header needs a different id string for X5 and X5V
00:07:18Bagderthere's a minor diff in the file too iirc, it has the name "x5v" in there
00:07:38nls_bluebrother: then you can do an ugly work around and put both on all x5 players :-)
00:08:26bluebrotherthat was an idea. I'm wondering what the update process does with the non-matching file
00:08:35Bagderit ignores it
00:08:40amiconnIt probably doesn't even see it
00:09:00*Bagder heads to bed
00:09:04bluebrotherdo it doesn't delete it? (as in empties the upgrade folder)
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00:09:35amiconnVery easy to find out...
00:09:59bluebrotherfor someone owning an x5, sure ;-)
00:10:03sunalsorisesis it possible to edit id3 tags from within rockbox on a sansa?
00:10:09bluebrothersunalsorises: no.
00:11:54sunalsorisesok thanks, a follow up question then, I have a certain number of songs where the tags are correct and display fine on the original firmware but are not identified in rockbox, any ideas on what might be the problem here?
00:12:08bluebrotherwhat type are these files?
00:12:56amiconnbluebrother: It flashes the matching one and ignores the other
00:12:59sunalsorisesas opposed to wma the rest
00:13:12*amiconn just tested
00:13:17bluebrothersunalsorises: could be a id3v1 sv id3v2 issue
00:13:22bluebrotheramiconn: cool, thanks.
00:13:42bluebrotherso we could indeed merge x5 and x5v by simply installing both bootloaders.
00:14:05bluebrotherthis will only leave an unused file around ...
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00:14:09amiconnIt's somewhat ugly, but it works
00:14:13sunalsorisesi have it set so id3v2 takes precedent, over v1
00:14:30TMMamiconn: sounds like my ex
00:14:32TMMamiconn: :P
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00:16:15alienbiker99wasnt the id3 tag priority option removed?
00:17:17bluebrotherI'll ask about the pid on iaudiophile nevertheless. Maybe the IDs differ
00:18:53sunalsorisesthanks bluebrother, it's not a huge deal but it's kind of annoyinh
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00:52:17RaZorbacKhmm can we generate a lng file from a lang file without compiling a whole build ?
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01:06:07Dark_ApostropheDoes Rockbox support showing album art while playing?
01:07:04|Rain|there are patches to add album art support, although the album art needs to be in bmp format
01:07:25|Rain|there's a second patch that will resize the bmp to fit the theme −− otherwise, you need to do that yourself too (although the resulting image will look better if you resize it ahead of time)
01:07:36RaZorbacKHi ddalton
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01:19:58nls_RaZorbacK: yes you can but it is kind of tedious, see the end of this page
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01:32:42RaZorbacKnls: hmm I see...
01:32:49RaZorbacKthx anyway
01:33:34ddaltonRaZorbacK: can you try a patch?
01:34:25RaZorbacKddalton: yes i can but don't know when. is it a little one ?
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01:35:48ddaltonRaZorbacK: do you have an iaudio?
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01:35:58ddaltonx5 or what ever there called
01:36:33RaZorbacKi have an x5L
01:37:12ddaltonok can you try p7682 and you will need p7814 with it and I guess since you speak french you might want to try p7784.
01:37:17RaZorbacKis this patch in the sdoyon's combined one?
01:37:20ddaltoncan you try it in english as well?
01:37:27ddaltonno its one of mine
01:37:35RaZorbacKenglish sure .
01:38:01ddaltonBut I am trying to work out if sdoyon's patches break mine or if mine is wrong
01:38:04RaZorbacKbut tonight i think it will be too shrot in time
01:38:44RaZorbacKhe gave me a good way to translate his work using genlang
01:39:14RaZorbacKit's far easiest to work like this instead of translating patches
01:41:02ddaltonRaZorbacK: who is he?
01:41:16ddaltonAnd have you tried the perl script?
01:41:16RaZorbacKsdoyon :)
01:41:27ddaltono ok
01:41:29RaZorbacKwhat perl script
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01:42:22ddaltonI thought there was one. You tell it which one to update and which one is your language and then all you have to do is fill in the voice and desk string part. But maybe I am wrong
01:42:42RaZorbacKyes it's genlang
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01:43:01RaZorbacKit gives you an output with only the neww strigns
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01:55:58jac0bI am having some trouble with the progress bar
01:56:31jac0bI set the right and left postions but they seem to have no effect
01:56:47jac0beither it goes real small or too long
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02:29:53gibsta269anyone here?
02:30:10gibsta269no one?
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02:30:58scorchei see 134 users in here
02:31:27gibsta269yes but not all of them are at there computers im guessing
02:32:37nls_i bet some of them are
02:32:41LloreanYes, this is often the case, but asking if anyone's here more than once doesn't magically make them return, and just shows that you didn't read the guidelines.
02:32:48gibsta269im sorry
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02:34:15gibsta269ok i only have one question so i will ask it only once, does anyone know if rockbox can be supported to the iriver clix, or if any type of port will be made for it?
02:35:06nls_gibsta269: we don't plan ports and no one is working on one for that player
02:35:31nls_and until someone tries we don't know if it's possible
02:37:07gibsta269ok thanks alot, sorry for being that annoying noob
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02:42:48ddaltoncan someone tell me what is wrong with a patch?
02:42:50KleviDoes Rockbox support the MicroSD slot at all in the sansac240?
02:42:51ddaltonif I upload it?
02:44:31ddaltonGodEater: do you have time to take a quick look?
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02:45:07Lars_G_Hi rockers.
02:45:17Lars_G_Question to ipod rockers. any patches you consider indispensable?
02:47:29LloreanLars_G_: The vast majority of people in this channel use official builds, as its purpose relates to providing support or developing the "official" version.
02:47:29scorchesvn builds work just fine for me...
02:47:44KleviDoes Rockbox support the MicroSD slot at all in the sansac240?
02:47:54scorcheKlevi: you just asked that
02:48:03LloreanKlevi: You asked that 5 minutes ago, and nobody has entered or left the room since then.
02:48:09LloreanWith a single exception/
02:48:27KleviYes, and I disconnected, god knows about my wireless connection
02:48:40Klevi*shrig* so I double posted
02:49:03scorcheKlevi: we have guidelines should ahve read them before you spoke
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02:49:22LloreanKlevi: The channel is also logged, you could've easily read the logs to see if anyone responded.
02:49:38Klevi-.- alright... im sorry..
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03:07:33ddaltonwhat is wrong with this?
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03:15:13KleviWelcome back
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03:46:00Spyro_boyI have an e280 here and I installed rockbox on it but I can't seem to mount it to load files on it.
03:46:12Spyro_boyany ideas?
03:46:17maxkelleyyou must reboot into the original firmware to mount it.
03:46:29Kleviturn it off and connect usb
03:46:30maxkelleyRockbox doesn't yet support a USB connection.
03:46:34Spyro_boythat leads me to say: I don't think my bootloader works.
03:46:51maxkelleythat's.. likely.
03:47:15KleviOh by the way does anyone here know if the sansa c200 can use the micro sd slot?
03:47:21Spyro_boyEverytime I want to get into the original firmware, I put it in recovery mode and instll the firmware.
03:47:21maxkelleythe latest svn I believe supports booting it.
03:47:34maxkelleyKlevi: erm, doesn't work on mine.
03:47:36Spyro_boybooting into the original?
03:47:47maxkelleyI think the option just hasn't been enabled.
03:47:54maxkelleySpyro_boy: yes.
03:48:06maxkelleyok, lemme straighten this out.
03:48:14*Spyro_boy gets the svn
03:48:27maxkelleySpyro_boy: yes, the latest SVN bootlaoder release supports booting it.
03:48:47Klevi-.- thats a bother
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03:49:05maxkelleyKlevi: the option I believe is for the moment disabled, because the c200 port is still in development. therefore, it has not been tested yet, and.. yeah :)
03:49:14KleviI just buoght a new micro sd card today for that purpose
03:49:22maxkelleydon't mark my words, though.. but I believe that's why.
03:49:34maxkelleywait a couple weeks, hopefully it'll be resolved :)
03:49:40Spyro_boyyou're going to hate me for asking, but how do I access the svn?
03:49:48Spyro_boyI can't seem to find a link on the site.
03:49:48maxkelleySpyro_boy: are you on linux?
03:49:48Kleviit is brand new, i give MUCH credit
03:49:58Spyro_boymaxkelley, yes.
03:49:59KleviI like Rockbox allot
03:50:08maxkelleythat might work.
03:50:18Spyro_boyI might've just missed it thugh.
03:50:28Spyro_boyMy monitor is really bad atm. can't read much.
03:50:32maxkelleySpyro_boy: you'll need to also set up a development environment for rockbox.
03:50:52maxkelleyKlevi: me too :)
03:50:54Spyro_boythught so
03:50:55Klevimaxkelley, like te fm tuner is?
03:50:59Spyro_boylike a toolset?
03:51:14maxkelleyKlevi: exactly. the fm tuner also hasn't been tested, along with recording... etc.
03:51:31KleviI has a question tho
03:51:42maxkelleyin fact, we don't even know for sure how to control the button backlights (though I believe one person has a solution)
03:51:46maxkelleySpyro_boy: arm-elf-gcc
03:51:47Klevi=) the Doom game has key maapping bugs
03:51:56Spyro_boymaxI see.
03:51:57KleviWoah who
03:52:06KleviI was wondering aboiut that
03:52:11maxkelleyKlevi: I actually made those keymaps.. I never tested doom :)
03:52:41Kleviif i set something to eh record key it doesnt do anything
03:53:11Kleviand if i change the select button to something else, all it does is change weapons
03:53:12maxkelleywhen I try and run my doom, I get "missing wad file"
03:53:25Kleviyou need to dl rockdoom.wad from the main site
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03:53:43maxkelleyKlevi: I suppose that would make sense.
03:53:54maxkelleyoh, the latest svn enables the button light controls.
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03:54:08maxkelleyas of revision.. a couple ago :)
03:54:14Klevithen paste it into path named doom/ on the root of rockbox
03:54:31Klevimaxkelly link please?
03:54:48maxkelleyrevision 14856.
03:55:02Kleviwhen did that come out
03:55:24KleviI did this yeaterday
03:55:33maxkelleyI upgraded yesterday, too.
03:55:50maxkelleywell, I've got school to go to tommorow.
03:55:52Klevimk so how do i upgrade excatly
03:56:01maxkelleyso I won't be able to do it now.
03:56:02Klevinvm, go aheaad
03:56:16maxkelleyKlevi: did you custom compile it?
03:56:20Kleviimma do it now, I need to not kill my battery
03:56:28KleviI got it from you guys.
03:56:54maxkelleyok, then download the sansa c200 build and extract it to the root, I believe.
03:57:12Klevithatll overwritwe my current Rockbox tho
03:57:18maxkelleyer.. yes.
03:57:22maxkelleywell, no.
03:57:30maxkelleyI don't know :)
03:57:52Spyro_boyI'm trying a daily.
03:57:55maxkelleyI think replacing the rockbox.mi4 is sufficient
03:58:01LloreanAlways replace the whole build
03:58:45Kleviand by the way
03:59:01Klevithe number is 14857
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04:00:40KleviI have to reset windows hotplug detecter... somehow it does this with USB. doesnt detect things
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04:02:33Spyro_boyWow. Rockbox owns.
04:03:02tumuwhat's the playlist button on sansa sim?
04:04:09tumunvm found it
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04:09:36[omni]I've got a problem playing m4a files on my e280 with the current build. From looking at the forums, I understand that there are still some issues with the m4a codec.
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04:10:21[omni]I got these m4as by using the hymn-project's myfreetunes to unprotect m4p files from iTunes
04:10:40[omni]any tips on how I can get these to work with rockbox? (they play fine in linux)
04:11:00[omni]I'd rather not convert to a different lossy format
04:11:13SoapFoobar2000 has a repair fuction for AAC files, if you have access to a Windows box you might want to try that.
04:11:40SoapIt rewrites the stream as I understand it - it is not a transcoder / reencoder.
04:11:53[omni]I'll give that a shot the next time i'm near a windows box
04:12:02[omni]do you know if it is able to keep tag info?
04:13:57SoapFoobar is good about that.
04:14:13[omni]cool. thanks soap
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04:18:29Klevimaxkelley, Updated successfully.
04:18:41Klevibut the menu light still stays on lol
04:19:08Kleviliterally, the light under menu, the directional buttons turn off nicely
04:20:08KleviWould anyone be eble to explain why my backdrops don't work?
04:20:56KleviI resized the image to the screen res. and made the type .bmp, like the manual said, but it stil fails.
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04:34:11[omni]Soap: were you speaking of Foobar2000's "optimize" function?
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06:53:58dberg918is svn down? I can't check out the source code
06:56:17dberg918nevermind, just needed to restart VMware
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08:04:25|Rain|so, just in case anyone cares, I've pretty well confirmed that my problem building/running the e200 bootloader with gcc 4.2.1 is due to a bug in gcc (long filename handling ends up broken, so the bootloader can't find /.rockbox)
08:05:03LloreanYou can't "run" the bootloader.
08:05:11LloreanAre you referring to sansapatcher?
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08:06:23|Rain|I'm talking about the bootloader running on an e200
08:06:42LloreanWhy are you trying to build with an unsupported version of GCC then?
08:06:58LloreanWe pretty much explicitly say it must be built with the version we specify.
08:07:26|Rain|you'll note that I qualified my statement with "just in case anyone cares"
08:08:40|Rain|I'm aware that gcc 4.2.x isn't used for rockbox development
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08:19:01|Rain|on a more meaningful note, while I was debugging, I noticed that most platforms call disk_init(); immediately before calling disk_mount_all(), which also immediately calls disk_init();
08:20:34|Rain|wait a tic, I think I got it wrong when I was looking at it earlier
08:21:11|Rain|yeah, it doesn't get called again until disk_mount() (from disk_mount_all())... meh.
08:23:08|Rain|there's still nothing meaningful done between the calls for targets using main-pp, though (maybe there is for some of the others)
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09:33:23GodEater_is it a competition (which I've just lost) to see who can stay quiet longest ?
09:34:31B4gderhahaa you lost!
09:34:36peturyes, you have lost. Go stand in the corner
09:34:51*GodEater_ hasn't moved from the corner since last time he was sent there
09:34:54GodEater_I still have the stool too
09:35:02peturB4gder: saw that article about wordpress?
09:35:22B4gderincluding the update
09:35:40*petur goes to read
09:35:56B4gder'This article is misleading enough to be called "just wrong."'
09:36:10markunwhich article?
09:37:22B4gderbut everyone already knows I am one of the least worried persons about leaving out personal details online
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09:37:58B4gderwordpress or not I mean
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09:39:31B4gderbtw, I found the slashdot article on Apple's not wanting to deal with unlocked iphones interesting
09:39:47B4gderespecially the US legal case it was referring to
09:40:04B4gdersince it more or less say that companies cannot decide to void warranties just based on software installs
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09:40:33*GodEater_ is pleased to see that the SFLC isn't going to let Monsoon off the hook that easily
09:40:42peturI would think if they brick your iphone on purpose because it was unlocked, that would be even criminal...
09:41:02B4gderpetur: yes, but i think they phrased it somewhat more innocently sounding
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09:41:26petursure, but that is the message they want to bring
09:43:04B4gderbut if they can't void the warranty because of the unlock...
09:43:14B4gderthey'll be forced to fix the bricks
09:43:14peturotoh, I always take /. info with tons of salt ;)
09:43:26preglowi try to just not read it
09:43:35preglowannoying site
09:43:43*markun agrees
09:43:47*GodEater_ reads the linked articles
09:43:59peturI look at the headlines and read the articles myself
09:43:59GodEater_I stopped reading the discussions ages ago
09:44:02B4gderwell, they do refer to other places that are interesting at times
09:44:08B4gderthe comments are mostly boring
09:44:15GodEater_it's long past it's prime sadly
09:44:16preglowi sometimes read articles, but i never, _never_, read comments
09:44:25preglowslashdot people are too annoying for words
09:44:52B4gderthat's the law case anyway
09:45:10B4gder" states that Apple cannot void a warranty for a product with third-party enhancements or modifications to their product. The only exception to this rule is if Apple can determine that the modification or enhancement is responsible [for] damaging the product in question ."
09:45:37GodEater_one would imagine that would be tough to prove
09:45:43markunB4gder: which they claim they can
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09:45:51B4gderthey must prove it
09:46:07*GodEater_ would like to see such "proof"
09:46:10B4gderbut yeah, they have an army of lawyers so...
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09:46:55B4gderthe US legal system is hard to beat anyway if you're an individual person with a bricked iphone going against Apple
09:47:36markunif someone installs rockbox on an ipod and it gets 'bricked' I don't think it should be covered by apple's warranty
09:48:20GodEater_but it's not possible to brick an ipod with rockbox ;)
09:49:12ZagorGodEater: didn't you yourself describe how to brick an ipod the other day? :)
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09:49:33markunGodEater_: and we both know that ipods get accused of being bricked all the time in our forums
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09:50:16B4gdermarkun: if rockbox bricked it, it was "the modification or enhancement is responsible [for] damaging the product in question"
09:51:04GodEater_Zagor: I have described it - but you can't do it with Rockbox
09:51:13MetroDeltnow the checksums are cracked on the 2nd gen nano, will it be likely that rockbox will be avalible for it on a short notice?
09:51:15B4gderwe need a hammer in Rockbox
09:51:21GodEater_MetroDelt: no
09:51:42GodEater_MetroDelt: the checksums of which you speak are in no way connected to getting code to run on the iPod itself. They only deal with iTunes.
09:52:07GodEater_MetroDelt: and besides that - you mean the 3rd gen nano :)
09:52:10MetroDeltGodEater_: okay, so the kernel itself is long from being cracked?
09:52:29GodEater_MetroDelt: no-one has even tried to start cracking it as far as I know
09:52:31MetroDeltGodEater: no, the 2nd gen nano
09:52:58MetroDeltGodEater: the full metal case version, as for i know, the 2nd gen
09:53:22GodEater_MetroDelt: I had no idea the 2nd gen was using such a checksum.
09:53:32GodEater_MetroDelt: where have you read this information ?
09:53:53MetroDeltGodEater: think i got it from slashdot, wait i'll check
09:54:43ZagorMetroDelt: that's the itunes checksum. it has nothing to do with the firmware.
09:54:59Zagorthe slashdot summary is very wrong, as usual
09:54:59MetroDeltZagor: Okays, too bad
09:55:28Zagoror, not exactly wrong, but easy to misunderstand
09:55:41MetroDeltZagor: i'd reckoned that if the checksum was crqacked, they could crack the firmware too.
09:55:51B4gderfar from it
09:55:55B4gderpeople don't work on the firmware
09:55:59MetroDelttoo bad it was the wrong checksum
09:56:29MetroDeltOnly option so far is cracking my ipod with a big hammer
09:56:35Zagorwe need a wiki page about this to refer people to...
09:56:37GodEater_and that's definitely the NEW ipods - NOT the 2nd Gen Nano
09:56:50ZagorGodEater: 2g nano is protected too
09:57:04GodEater_Zagor: since when ?
09:57:06B4gderZagor: yeah, not the itunes checksum
09:57:14MetroDeltGodEater: is it? okay i think i read it wrong
09:57:29markunZagor: could be added to the ipod FAQ
09:57:30GodEater_the 2nd Gen Nano's iTunes DB isn't protecetd AFAIK
09:57:54ZagorGodEater: right, I'm talking about the firmware.
09:58:27GodEater_Zagor: ah - and that I knew - but we were talking about the iTunes checksum
09:59:11GodEater_someone needs to write that wiki page though - you're right. I'm tired of re-telling this story :)
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10:00:26B4gderwe need more wiki pages
10:00:38B4gdermore more MORE
10:00:47B4gderand coffee
10:02:59GodEater_and biscuits
10:03:09GodEater_preferably chocolate digestives
10:07:35markunB4gder: I'm registering to the mp4nation forum to ask about the license problems with the Ainol and Gemei players they sell
10:07:55B4gdercool, let us know what happens!
10:12:23markunB4gder: I'll first check out the licenses of the various components
10:12:48markunsnes9x states for example "Commercial users should seek permission of the copyright holders first"
10:12:52markunwhich Ainol might have done
10:13:03B4gderright, but libsdl for example is GPL
10:13:10markunand what about the LGPL version of ffmpeg?
10:13:23B4gderLGPL products should be shipped so that you can replace the LGPL libs
10:13:55B4gder(which usually is the argument that makes LGPL more or less the same as GPL for embedded stuff)
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10:21:15B4gdernow there's a site who really really need ad money...
10:21:29B4gderyou can hardly see the content
10:21:48B4gderwhat license do they use?
10:23:27B4gderbtw, the fact that they can use all these products do hint that they use some kind of posix or almost-posix like operating system
10:23:42Zagorprobably sco unix
10:24:01B4gderyeah, I hear sco unix is perfect for blackfin media players ;-)
10:24:41Zagor says GPL
10:24:54B4gderah, thanks
10:25:50Zagoryes, there's a COPYING in the source tarball
10:32:30markunwhat do you think?
10:32:39B4gdervery well put
10:32:59markunI'm not expecting much
10:33:05B4gderI'm betting they'll refer to the manufacturer
10:33:17B4gderif they even respond
10:34:31B4gder seems more or less dead
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10:36:51markunI'm easily bribed: if Ainol or MP4 Nation send me a free player I'll shut up ;)
10:37:38*petur goes to post too ;)
10:38:43B4gdermplayer is GPL too, right?
10:38:47*petur has an idea to put pressure on them...
10:39:15B4gderand the mplayer people have a history of biting back at people for using their stuff without complying
10:39:25markunpetur: don't overdo it :)
10:39:50B4gderexactly, mp4nation is (probably) only a sales front
10:40:08peturI was thinking of "so if they don't comply and get sued -> no firmware upgrades or warranty repairs"
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10:58:07przemhbHi all
10:59:01przemhbdoes someone could give me some tips on how to dissassemble H10 20GB?
10:59:36B4gderpretty neat device
10:59:46MetroDeltprz: google does the trick
11:03:12peturB4gder: indeed
11:05:02markunB4gder: this is 'the other one'
11:05:19markundoesn't come with the gaming dock I think
11:08:18markunor maybe it does
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11:12:04przemhbMetroDelt: thank you
11:13:12przemhbhow would you reccomend checking which GPIO port and pins are used for FM radio SDA, SCL, bus type and for multiplexer A B?
11:15:39amiconnI would think the fm chip is connected to the PP's i2c interface
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11:16:18amiconnDisassembling the OF is probably the best method
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11:22:19przemhbamicon: I've thought about sing debug menu to view I/O ports and connecting tuner's SDA SCL signals to GND via some 220Ohm resistor to observe which I/O ports and pins are affected
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11:23:01przemhbamicon: I think I won't be able to disassemble OF...
11:24:08amiconnThe tuner's SDA/SCL are most probably *not* connected to GPIO pins
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11:27:41przemhbamicon: I'm afraid you're right
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11:31:13przemhbamicon: as I'm not a programist, but an eletronic engineer I tink I won't be able to disassemble OF - maybe someone would be willing to help finding out that?
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11:34:07Zagorprzemhb: a logic analyzer can tell a lot
11:35:42petur, is not here
11:35:57Crackerizerpetur: :)
11:37:25CrackerizerI've translated rockbox to thai and i have a problem with font rendering..
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11:39:39markunCrackerizer: did you expect the problem to be solved today? ;)
11:40:22CrackerizerHello markun, not at all, just want to ask if i could help with this...
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11:43:00markunCrackerizer: can you see what's wrong with the rendering exactly?
11:43:36markunare the tonal marks placed behind the vowels, or is there something else wrong?
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11:48:09Crackerizermarkun: yes, the tonal should be on top of the vowels. i think that's the only problem..
11:48:39Crackerizerit looks pretty ugly and hard to read....
11:49:21markundo you know if precombined characters are available in the fonts, or do we have to merge the pictures ourselves?
11:50:58markunCrackerizer: here is a font which supports thai for example:">
11:51:18Crackerizermarkun: usually no, we have to merge it ourlselves.
11:51:39rasherCrackerizer: What I meant in the tracker was if thai.lang is the best name for the langaugefile (I'm about to commit it)
11:53:31Crackerizerrasher: I think thai.lang should be find.
11:54:10rasherI'll take your word for that
11:54:14Crackerizerthai is the native language of thailand.
11:54:54Crackerizer(as far as i know, there is no other name.. :)
11:55:15rasherOkay, that's what I was wondering. Some langauges are called completely different names in English than in the native langauge
11:56:22rasherAnd I think it would be better to use the local name for the filename (using latin letters), if possible, for those languages. But seeing as Thai is not one of them, I'll commit it now.
11:57:31Crackerizerrasher: thank you for the information & for commiting :)
11:57:43markunrasher: any idea how to handle glyph combining in a nice way?
11:58:10rashermarkun: No idea at all. I don't know anything about font rendering really
12:00:51Crackerizermarkun: i looked at rockbox code lastnight to see which part of the code handling text drawing. do the functions in lcd header handle the job?
12:01:14preglowbtw, is there any policy on name char sets in the CREDITS file? makes sense to use native characters
12:01:36rasherpreglow: I'd say so, but amiconn seems to think we should only use latin and extended latin. Not quite sure why
12:01:52bluebrotheranyone against rejecting FS #7835? We don't need to copy the behaviour of the OF ...
12:02:12rasherbluebrother: you could ask him for an argument first
12:02:19rasherOther than "do as the OF".
12:02:19amiconnThe credits are displayed with whatever font the user uses
12:02:40preglowand that is always latin?
12:02:45rasheramiconn: That's not all the CREDITS file does. It's also included in the source distribution. I think it should be as accurate as possible
12:02:53amiconnNo, but virtually all fonts support latin
12:03:02rasherA few broken strings in the credits plugin is better than the inaccuracy I'd say
12:03:10amiconn...but not necessarily other scripts
12:03:23bluebrotherthe credits have non-latin1 character
12:03:26preglowat least we should include both
12:04:13rasherCrackerizer: I think you've translated the english (source) string in a few cases. See">
12:05:33markunrasher: can't you auto remove deprecated strings in your editor?
12:05:35Crackerizerrasher: ok
12:05:49markuninstead of typing 'none' every time
12:05:54rashermarkun: I do that already (they're not shown in the edit page)
12:06:09rasherSome strings have none for * though
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12:06:36rasherBut deprecated strings are handled automatically (should be, at least)
12:06:39markunah, ok
12:07:15markunnice tool btw
12:07:19preglowrasher: is the rockbox/translate/ page on your site up to date?
12:07:37preglowoh, damn, i didn't notice the edit links
12:08:20Crackerizerrasher: but there is somethinks out of my knowledge such as what mdb is... (that's why i dont translate it)
12:08:22rasherpreglow: the last updated text at the bottom tells when the language files were updated (once per hour, and I just manually refreshed it)
12:09:33amiconnCrackerizer: MDB == Micronas Dynamic Bass, a bass enhancement features of the hw decoder used in the archoses
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12:10:21rasherThis should really be in the desc: line of the first string with it..
12:11:06rasherIn general, the desc lines are not always terribly helpful to translators (that's what it's there for, right?)
12:11:52Crackerizeramiconn: thank you.
12:12:24peturrasher: doesn't that last commit need a change to credits too?
12:12:34rasherpetur: oops, yes
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12:15:25peturmarkun: you should tell them the product can be banned from the market and they might get sued....
12:16:09markunpetur: maybe you should tell them. I know very little about legal stuff.
12:16:15*petur too
12:16:28markunwho's the lawyer in hre again?
12:16:55peturfebs is not here
12:17:47rasherWell, depending on how their OS works, they may only have to provide source for the emulator itself. Saying the entire OS is opensource is jumping to conclusions
12:19:56markunrasher: yes, perhaps
12:20:35markunthere might be a filesystem in that image is what you mean, right?
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12:24:30Crackerizeris there anyway we can render a font correctly without changing the core code?
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12:25:30kugelwhat does that commit mean? "Oops. Actually add the IDCT file for ARM. :p"
12:26:20markunkugel: the file was supposed to be in the previous commit
12:26:27kugeli actually mean, what is idct and his impact on the video polayback
12:26:59markunit's an algorithm used in the decoding. The ARM optimized version should make playback faster on ARM targets
12:27:21markun(ipods, gigabeat, iriver h10...)
12:28:10markunkugel: if you really want to know:
12:29:14kugeli allready read that, but i didnt understand it
12:30:16*bluebrother notices the DFT doesn't use complex calculations
12:30:35Nico_Pkugel: you need a little math background... maybe the more general will be easier
12:31:17markunbluebrother: no?
12:31:45bluebrothermarkun: according to wikipedia ...
12:31:48kugeli dont even understand that in my natve language :o
12:31:52nlsYay aonther batch of tremor optimizations from tomal :-)
12:32:13kugelbut, that it makes videoplayback faster was enough^^
12:32:37markunbluebrother: on my wikipedia it says: "The sequence of N complex numbers x0, ..., xN−1 is transformed into the sequence of N complex numbers X0, ..., XN−1 by the DFT according to the formula:"
12:33:28bluebrotherI was reading the german version which tells the DCT doesn't calculate using complex number but only real coefficients
12:33:46markunnls: I hope he wants to BSD license his changes and give them back to xiph
12:33:59bluebrothermaybe that page is wrong
12:34:05markunbluebrother: DCT != DFT
12:35:06nlsmarkun: yes, that would be nice, i have never seen any comment on licensing from him so maybe he just didn't consider it
12:35:27bluebrothermarkun: I'm reading the page on DCT ...
12:35:42*bluebrother notices he wrote DFT instead of DCT earlier. D'oh!
12:37:10*bluebrother goes standing in the corner
12:43:36Nico_PCrackerizer: what do you call "correctly" ?
12:44:34amiconnCrackerizer: The current font rendering code wouldn't work correctly with overlapping glyphs, depending on the drawmode though
12:45:23CrackerizerNico_P: rendering overlapping glyphs.
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12:47:04Crackerizeramiconn: which means, we need to change the core code to correct it, am i right?
12:47:30Nico_Pin what cases are overlapping glyphs needed ?
12:48:12markunNico_P: rendering of accents on thai glyphs in this case
12:48:24CrackerizerNico_P: Thai must uses overlapping glyphs to draw text correctly.
12:48:34Nico_Pok now I see :)
12:49:17B4gdermaybe we can fix Thai instead? ;-P
12:49:31CrackerizerB4gder: :)
12:51:55CrackerizerIf i could manage to solve thai font rendering, do i need to make it work on all players?
12:52:18markunof course
12:52:26B4gderif you make it work, it more or less _will_ work on all players
12:52:34B4gderunless you do something really funny
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12:53:06Gekzhey there.
12:53:16Gekzis there still a heavy battery penalty on the ipod nanos?
12:53:40preglowon all ipods
12:53:45preglowexcept 1-3g
12:53:52LloreanGekz: When the iPod battery problem is solved, it'll probably be on the MajorChanges page.
12:54:37GekzLlorean: is it still because the other processor isn't utilised?
12:54:54LloreanNo, it really doesn't have much to do with the other processor.
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12:57:40GekzLlorean: then what is it?
12:57:53CrackerizerB4gder: I see a couple lcd interfaces, lcd-1bit-vert.c, lcd-2bit-horz.c etc. are they what i have to play with??
12:58:11B4gderno, you'd have to change the generic font/lcd code
12:58:33B4gderthat code just stores data in a framebuffer
12:58:44LloreanGekz: The current idea is that hardware isn't shutdown properly when not in use, etc. But honestly, if we knew exactly what was wrong, then it'd be easier to fix.
12:59:53amiconnB4gder: Font rendering isn't generic, it happens in the mentioned lcd-<pixelformat>.c files
12:59:54CrackerizerB4gder: is font/lcd a part of firmware?
13:00:11amiconnThis is because fonts are simply collections of mono bitmaps
13:00:15B4gderoh right
13:00:51amiconnBut that simple mechanism won't work for overlapping glyphs, except if only drawing foreground pixels
13:01:35Crackerizerseem like a big change here if we want to correct it.
13:01:53B4gderwhat other languages than Thai need this?
13:02:25CrackerizerB4gder: no idea.
13:02:35GekzLlorean: doesn't the software just put it into deep sleep?
13:02:50amiconnI don't know of others that *need* it, but even latin can use "combining diacritical marks" instead of precomposed glyphs
13:03:17LloreanGekz: You say "Just" as if we had instructions for how to do this.
13:03:23amiconnThat won't work properly in rockbox atm either
13:04:20Nico_Pamiconn: don't these files (lcd-*.c) have a lot in common ? wouldn't it be better to factor some of the code out ?
13:04:30GekzLlorean: don't take it the wrong way. You know what I mean;t.
13:04:44GekzI mean't that it simply puts it to sleep, with nothing special.
13:04:48Gekzand it was a question.
13:05:02B4gderGekz: you talking about the second cpu core?
13:05:20LloreanB4gder: He's talking about sleeping various hardware on the portalplayer devices to get battery savings like on the 1G-3G
13:05:39amiconnNico_P: They have a few things in common, but the mono bitmap rendering does not belong to these common things.
13:05:54B4gderok, "sleep" is just an odd work for "disable" or "switch off" ;-)
13:06:04LloreanGekz: If you know how to sleep all the hardware, you're more than welcome to write the code. There's nothing "simple" about doing it, as I said.
13:06:39GekzStop taking it the wrong way, jeez. I'm asking a simple question of whether the software just turns the entire device off or not.
13:06:51B4gderGekz: we init the hw as far as we know
13:06:58B4gderthat is probably not enough
13:07:07LloreanGekz: I'm not taking it the wrong way. You keep saying "simply do Blah" as if we know how.
13:07:12amiconnB4gder: 'switch off' isn't 100% correct either. The DEV_EN bits actually enable or disable the clock for the various functional units
13:07:29LloreanGekz: Rockbox obviously doesn't do this properly, or we'd have better battery life.
13:07:33B4gderthanks, I hadn't noticed
13:07:53Gekzsimply as in the opposite of complex.
13:08:06B4gderGekz: it probably is very easily done once found
13:08:08Gekzmy understanding is: no.
13:08:13B4gderthe hard part is to find out how
13:08:15amiconnBut for CMOS, switching off the clock does have essentially the same effect as switching of the unit completely
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13:31:17B4gderthe nano problem is truly annoying
13:31:23pondlifeRe: The Nano crashes, we have "It seems that the problem is in overheating. I put my ipod to a refrigerator for 5 minutes and it 'works' after it for 20 minutes well!"
13:32:22amiconnAnd we also have the opposite
13:32:41pondlifePutting the Nano in the oven? :)
13:32:47B4gderwe do? I thought people could provoke it by heating it
13:32:55morrijrpondlife: microwave :)
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13:35:32amiconnB4gder:No, I mean that other people tried cooling it and it didn't fix the problem
13:35:47Aveahaha... getting interesting
13:35:53Avethe heat problem, again (re: nano)
13:36:15RaZorbacKhi, nobody has problems with the script? i've updated it about three times from svn but it keeps giving me an error
13:36:18AveI too have to concur that heat definitely makes the issue more prominent
13:36:50Aveever since I started to notice problems, they dont appear as cold, only after few minutes of playback
13:37:10Aveand if the device gets hot (sunlight in car etc) it gets bad right away
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13:39:44Avehas anyone tested using lower boost speed? does it affect the problem at all
13:40:20AveI could lend my nano if no-one else surfaces as I fill the criteria
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14:16:17Crackerizeramiconn: how many lcd are rockbox supported? (are they in rockbox/firmware/drivers?)
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14:17:46ZagorCrackerizer: how many different controllers, or how many simultaneous?
14:19:18CrackerizerZagor: do you mean controller that supported by rockbox?
14:19:48ZagorI'm asking you to clarify your question.
14:20:43CrackerizerZagor: i dont know.
14:20:58Zagoryou don't know what you are asking?
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14:24:01CrackerizerZagor: i'm looking at rockbox/firmware/drivers and see only lcd-1bit-vert.c, lcd-2bit-horz.c etc. But i dont see lcd-ipod3g, lcd-***. that's why i'm asking
14:24:29B4gderyou don't need to adapt for the controllers when changing font code, only to the various framebuffer formats
14:24:33B4gderI think
14:25:17CrackerizerIt like the players share the same code for the specific display
14:25:36B4gderthe ones that have the same framebuffer formats share that code
14:25:47CrackerizerI see
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14:28:59ZagorI think the proper interface is to /msg nickserv
14:29:23B4gderyeah, it shoulds like yout /ghost alias/command has a typo or something
14:29:51GodEater_/query nickserv for preference
14:29:57GodEater_then all your commands are in a seperate window
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14:35:54kugelmy fault
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14:47:20ZagorShanasabang is a great name
14:48:31Spyro_boyI tried building a bootable rockbox last night and failed. Doesn't work for some reason, but in any case. I assume that the daily build is updated from the svn, obviosly, daily?
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14:49:07peturZagor: since working together with an indian company I have learned many great names thast I cannot pronounce ;)
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14:49:41ZagorSpyro_boy: I assume by "daily" you mean
14:52:13CrackerizerZagor: that's my last name :)
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14:55:29*Zagor uncomments HAVE_USBSTACK and braces himself
14:55:51Spyro_boyZagor, yes.
14:55:54peturwoohoo :)
14:56:35Spyro_boyZagor, hrmm? that's not enabled by default?
14:57:02ZagorSpyro_boy: this is our yet-experimental sw usb implementation
14:57:40Spyro_boyfor which player?
14:58:04Spyro_boyI have a sansa
14:58:15Spyro_boyZagor, if that works, mind passing on your build to me?
14:58:21Zagorcurrently we boot the OF on sansas for usb mode
14:58:21peturand H10, ipod...
14:58:39peturZagor: the pc should recognise is as MSC, but there the journey ends
14:58:39Spyro_boywait, OF?
14:58:42ZagorSpyro_boy: this is work in progress. it will not be ready for a while.
14:58:51ZagorSpyro_boy: OF = Original Firmware
14:59:06Spyro_boyI guess I should figure out why dual doesn't work then.
14:59:23B4gderdoesn't work on what target?
14:59:26ZagorSpyro_boy: what happens?
14:59:50Spyro_boyI turn it off.
15:00:01Spyro_boyI hold left, and press the power button.
15:00:15Spyro_boyGives some sort of debug info and then my screen looks like it's burning away with some framebuffer effect.
15:00:17Zagoryou have a c200?
15:00:32Spyro_boyand then it reboots after that.
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15:00:34B4gderyeah, lots of people have problems to boot OF using a recent bootloader
15:00:47B4gdergo with 0.2 until the problem is fixed
15:01:00Spyro_boyhrmm.. I hate to ask, so I'll look for it first.
15:01:16Spyro_boyactually, I don't even know where the versions are specified.
15:01:23Spyro_boywhere can I get 0.2?
15:01:46Spyro_boyah. perfect
15:02:59Zagorhmm, where are the categories for lang files defined? my build doesn't think I am in category 'usbstack'
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15:03:38Spyro_boygah.. I really hate asking, but I can't find it. is it specified as *0.2* or is it some build under the daily directory?
15:03:38B4gderZagor: that's the features.txt
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15:05:11ZagorSpyro_boy: it's a bit hidden:
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15:05:28ZagorB4gder: ok. a make clean fixed it
15:05:34Spyro_boythanks a million. I was just about to download a build from july.
15:05:46peturZagor: trying this on c200?
15:05:52Zagorpetur: yes
15:05:57Spyro_boyoh, so all I get is the utility to patch it?
15:06:05Spyro_boyit's not the actual bootloader?
15:06:09ZagorSpyro_boy: the util contains the bootloader
15:06:37Spyro_boyI thought rockbox.mi4 had the bootloader. Damn, I really need to research this crap.
15:07:07Zagoryou are correct. sansapatcher simply includes that file to make it easier.
15:07:20B4gderSpyro_boy: rockbox.mi4 is the main rockbox binary
15:07:34Spyro_boyyeah, I thought it also had the bootloader software.
15:07:38Zagorah, right. you weren't entirely correct :)
15:07:45Spyro_boydamn :/
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15:09:11Zagorthe bootloader and the rockbox firmware are two separate entities. once you've installed the bootloader, upgrading rockbox is as simple as unzipping in your root
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15:09:45Spyro_boyoh that's right.
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15:10:07Spyro_boyAny specific reason to update a bootloader if it works?
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15:10:23Spyro_boyfair enough
15:10:26Spyro_boythanks for the info.
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15:13:52Spyro_boyI'll figure it out.
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15:15:20Spyro_boyfor some reason, on my home computer, and just before on my laptop, this was working.
15:15:53Spyro_boyI would enter recovery mode to put the firmware in, but now it goes to recovery, detects everything and then reboots with no delay.
15:16:11Spyro_boythink it's my laptop?
15:16:12Zagoryou don't need recovery mode with sansapatcher
15:16:22Zagorjust plain usb mode
15:16:33Spyro_boywell, I can't get into the OF.
15:16:38Spyro_boydo I need to?
15:17:02Zagorah, yes you do. and for that you need recovery mode :)
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15:17:59ZagorI recommend you do like this: 1: enter recovery mode, copy the OF to the sansa. 2) reboot 3) connect usb cable 4) run sansapatcher 5) install
15:18:07Spyro_boyI can't
15:18:16Spyro_boybefore I can even mount it, it reboots.
15:18:17Zagoryou can't enter recovery mode?
15:18:18Spyro_boyfrom recovery
15:18:25Spyro_boyI enter it but it just goes.
15:18:34Zagoryour sansa or your computer reboots?
15:18:55B4gderthat sounds like a bad usb
15:18:56scorchethen just hold record the whole time and see if it reboots, then stays in recovery mode the second time
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15:19:29Spyro_boyB4gder, sounds like it.
15:19:36Spyro_boyit worked once..
15:19:48scorcheare you in windows or linux?
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15:20:23Spyro_boyusb 5-1: USB disconnect, address 20
15:20:35Spyro_boythe funny thing is, it's still connected.
15:20:43stewball`ghosthey all
15:21:00Zagorpetur: my c200 won't even start with usbstack enabled...
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15:22:05stewball`could anyone help me with getting WMP to recognise my ipod?
15:22:13Spyro_boywhat is that?
15:22:18Spyro_boywinamp or windows media player?
15:22:23stewball`windows media player
15:22:31scorchestewball`: that has nothing to do with rockbox...
15:22:45Spyro_boyunless rockbox changes the way ipods interact, windows media player cannot interact with ipods.
15:23:04Spyro_boyatleast, that's what I've discovered.
15:23:13Zagorpetur: false alarm. a new clean build boots fine.
15:23:18stewball`ok ok cheers
15:24:06Spyro_boywhatever. I'll wait until I get home.
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15:24:37ZagoriManufacturer 1 RockBox
15:24:41ZagoriProduct 2 RockBox Storage Driver
15:24:50Zagorit's a nice feeling
15:25:02scorchei dont see what would prevent it from being used by WMP (assuming WMP will accept a plain UMS drive)...but as i said, it is offtopic here
15:25:08scorche....and i have to go to work
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15:25:29peturZagor: yes, but we still need to fix the fact that we need a valid ID...
15:25:39Zagorpetur: yeah..
15:25:57Zagorouch: scsi 74:0:0:0: scsi: Device offlined - not ready after error recovery
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15:26:23peturZagor: yes, MSC is not ready yet
15:26:33ZagorI know
15:27:03ZagorI think I'll build a new usb-storage module with verbose logging enabled. the default messages are a little thin.
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15:27:21B4gderI believe there's a generic usb debug too
15:27:28B4gderusbmon too even
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15:33:46Zagorregarding usb id, we probably want to use the OF ids
15:34:05LinusNyes we do
15:34:24ZagorI suspect registering our own name with the usb consortium would be a costly endevour...
15:36:18nlsLinusN: sorry to ask, but do you have any plans for the h300 bootloader?
15:36:55LinusNnls: plans, yes. time, no.
15:37:07kugelnvm, im not allowed to talk about that here...
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15:37:32nlsLinusN: ah, yes that time thing... :-)
15:38:16LinusNyesh that one
15:38:29*LinusN is swamped as usual
15:38:53Spyro_boyI got swamped with this laptop. Not sure why it's not working properly.
15:39:05LinusNZagor: could be interesting to check
15:39:10Spyro_boyWell. I'm over and out.
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15:56:03Zagoryeah, $4000/year is a bit much for an open source project...
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15:56:25Zagorah, you can get it for $1000 even. how cheap! :)
15:57:06Zagorbut then it only lives for two years...
15:57:22preglowdo we need to do that?
15:57:22Zagornah, we'll piggyback on the devices' own id
15:57:28preglowthanks, then
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15:58:46ZagorI bet some cruddy software somewhere will barf on some minute difference in detail. But then we get to yell at them.
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15:59:23Zagorgotta run
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16:13:51justemoahello :)
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16:17:09justemoahum, i would like to know something
16:17:46justemoai bought an archos gmini xs 202 and i would like to install rockbox in,
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16:18:45nlsjustemoa: it's not supported
16:18:52justemoai had read the FAQ and a lot of others page, but i didn't understand ..
16:19:18justemoabut was it
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16:22:45nlsno, there was a port for gmini 120 but it was abandoned
16:23:16scorche|workjustemoa: all players that are supported are listed on the front page
16:23:31justemoaha ok. and do you know if there is an other system like Rockbox for my player ?
16:25:01scorche|workno clue
16:25:27GodEater_archopen perhaps ?
16:25:35*GodEater_ doesn't know if it works on the gminis or not
16:26:07justemoaok, i'll see.
16:26:25justemoathank you :D
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16:58:33bendHello. Could someone tell me why I get the error schematically shown at ? Why is the address of a global var not considered const?
16:59:42nlsmaybe because a non static is allocated on the stack?
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17:00:48bendnls: no, it's not in a function.
17:01:00bluebrotherwhy do you declare the nested struct in a struct?
17:01:44bendbluebrother: I don't know, saw this in an example. It couldbe defined separately.
17:03:29bluebrotherand in the 2nd declaration the initializer is not const because the nonstatic struct variable is neither const nor static
17:04:56bendbluebrother: not the var itself but its address is taken. The var is "global", i.e. its life time is the same as static, but it's visible from the outside.
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17:07:00bluebrotherdoes it make sense at all? You hide the struct in line 14 to the outside but would allow accessing a part of it from outside
17:08:11bendbluebrother: yes, that's what I want. Part of the structure should be made accessible.
17:08:34bluebrotherwell, when thinking about data hiding stuff I don't think this is a good solution.
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17:09:04bluebrotherand _might_ be the reason why the compiler refuses it. But that's just guessing ...
17:10:38bendbluebrother: but the address *is* a const. The declaration doesn't dictate that the contents of the nested struct be const, just the pointer.
17:12:16bluebrotherwell, does it work if you pass a pointer to that struct that is explicitly const? I.e. declare a new pointer which is const and pass that
17:13:39bendbluebrother: yes, that works. But it disappoints me.
17:14:45bluebrotherwell, I don't know the exact reason but this clearly tells that there _is_ something different.
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17:16:23bendI'll try to investigate
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18:23:41|Rain|is sleep() safe in the bootloader with interrupts disabled?
18:25:02amiconnOr maybe it is
18:25:09amiconnLast time I checked, it wasn't
18:25:20amiconnOrdinary sleep() relies on the timer tick interrupt
18:26:13amiconnThere was the idea to have an usec timer based special sleep() for the bootloader, but I don't know whether this was implemented
18:26:30nlsthis is really strange... how can a simple one line change in a function that is not called at all when playing vorbis files reduce performance noticably?
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18:27:21amiconnnls: Cache aliasing...
18:28:15nlsamiconn: you think so, it reduced performance from 326% realtime to 300%
18:28:19|Rain|amiconn: there's a special sleep() for the bootloader on PP (it looks like a busy loop that calls the scheduler, but I haven't followed that code all the way through yet...), but a thread is also being created that calls queue_wait_w_tmo(), and that's when it all falls down
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18:29:05amiconnAfaik the bootloader is (or should be) single threaded
18:29:17amiconnnls: very possible.
18:29:23nlsand is there a way to predict such cache aliasing problems?
18:29:33preglownls: simulators...
18:29:42amiconnpreglow: ??
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18:29:58amiconnThe simulator certainly doesn't help here
18:29:58preglowamiconn: what?
18:30:07preglownot our simulators
18:30:19amiconnYou mean emulators....
18:30:24|Rain|in particular, I'm looking at ata_init() in firmware/target/arm/sandisk/ata-c200_e200.c −− it calls create_thread(sd_thread, ...), then sleep(); meanwhile, sd_thread() calls queue_wait_w_tmo(), and that's where execution seems to halt
18:30:27preglowthey get called loads of things
18:30:49preglowbut you pretty much need one of those things to predict cache behaviour
18:31:32amiconn|Rain|: Again, bootloader should be single threaded. If there is code that creates additional threads that is *not* ifdefed away for bootloaders, I'd consider that a bug
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18:32:36amiconnThe sd thread is probably there for hotswap handling. It's certainly not needed in the bootloader
18:32:49|Rain|yeah, I was just thinking that
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18:33:14|Rain|thank you
18:33:26amiconnI think that's the most liekly cause of the failing sansa bootloader...
18:33:53*amiconn now checked out that ainol V2000 video
18:33:55|Rain|if you have the USB stack enabled, there's a problem there too
18:34:21amiconnThe usb stack far from finished. Expect all sorts of problems
18:34:37|Rain|oh, I do. I mean to hack on the mass storage code, eventually
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18:35:02|Rain|if it's enabled, though, the bootloader ends up trying to call 0xffffffff though
18:36:28|Rain|right now, I'm just trying to get rid of the annoying 'clear from black to white, then back to black' behavior in the bootloader −− the rest of rockbox was way easier to get a working build out of than the bootloader :)
18:37:29amiconnWhy are you trying to compile the usb stack into the bootloader?
18:37:49amiconnImho it should be part of main rockbox
18:38:50|Rain|I agree. I have the #define set in config-e200.h, and it got picked up by the bootloader
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18:40:08|Rain|most of the usb stack stuff is #ifdef'd out in the bootloader, but there was a call to usb_stack_stop() without a call to usb_stack_init(), so the code tries to call an undefined function pointer
18:42:14|Rain|it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to just #undef it ifdef BOOTLOADER, but right now I'm just taking the path of least resistance to a working bootloader
18:42:19nlshmm, it appears SkyEye actually supports the MCF5249 but I think setting this up will be too much work :-/
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18:44:50amiconnIt should be possible to spot potential cache aliasing issues without an emulator, using the .map files, provided that (1) you know which functions are called very often in an alternating fashing, e.g. from profiling and (2) you know the cache organisation
18:45:02amiconnFortunately (2) is documented for coldfire
18:47:28nlsamiconn: the odd thing is that the change that caused it is in id3.c in one of the mp3 metadata functions which are not even called when running test_codec on a vorbis file
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18:56:20amiconnnls: Eh? Is there any core code that is called frequently while decoding?
18:58:00amiconnBecause, if it is, cache aliasing can still be the problem, even if a totally unrelated function changes size, as that moves all subsequent functions around in memory
18:58:37nlsamiconn: I dunno but from my results it looks that way, comparing a build from before that cahnge with one after shows that the vorbis.codec and test_codec.rock files are identical
18:59:58amiconnBut if decoding doesn't call any core function, your results don't make sense...
19:00:28amiconnThat also applies if the called core functions are all in iram, unless there's something wrong with cache setup
19:00:45amiconn(iram should be uncached as caching it would be a waste)
19:06:45Learnls: What kind of change is it?
19:07:31nlsIf you are interested, the change that caused the speed drop is r14602
19:07:39nlsin id3.c
19:08:33nlsLear: I'm using your patch on my gcc so if it is this sensitive to changes someone with an unpatched compiler will probably get different results
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19:09:49nlsbtw, i'm testing out tomals lates tremor patches and they are nice :-) the vbpcm.diff makes a big difference
19:10:30LearAnd this is with which gcc version? :)
19:11:16nls3.4.6 otherwis I wouldn't be bothering you guys :-)
19:11:22LearOoh, I imagine it could make a noticeable difference, yes...
19:13:43nlswith the vbpcm patch it goes from 300% realtime to 333% realtime on my test track that before that speed drop used to be 326% and with the codebook patch too it i get 341%, so palyback with replaygain without boosting :-)
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19:49:27webguest80Hi all
19:49:36webguest80Just wondering where on the site I can download the plugins
19:49:46webguest80I can't seem to find any plugins I want to download
19:50:10Domonokywebguest80: all plugins are included.. :-)
19:50:24webguest80That would explain it!! heh! thanks
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19:50:45markunbye ;)
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20:00:53kfazzis it possible to do the opposite of what bmp2rb does?
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20:04:52jeplersansa e200-series −− since USB doesn't work for data transfer (right?), any idea where I'd look in the source to make it go into "charging" mode when USB is attached and I'm in rockbox, instead of going into "shows USB logo but does nothing useful" mode? (I've already set up a machine and compiled the svn version of rockbox, but haven't tried my self-built version)
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20:07:45scorche|workjepler: there should be a button to hold while inserting the cable, however i dont know what it is the forums for it
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20:08:18jeplerscorche|work: OK I'll see what I can find
20:10:20sitwonit's the Select button (big circle in the middle)
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20:12:16jeplerthat works great, thank you
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20:12:57TemikNeed help!
20:13:07nlsask question!
20:13:19jepleris there some use to the USB mode on e200 that this isn't simply the default?
20:13:36TemikOS-FreeBSD-6.2, binutils-2.16.1, gcc-3.4.6
20:13:55Spyro_boyjepler, dual boot
20:14:01Spyro_boyyou need to use the original firmware
20:14:03Temik/var/tmp//ccFkGBZ7.s:29: Error: operands mismatch −− statement `fmovem.l %fpcr,%d1' ignored
20:14:34Domonokyand people are working on the the usbstack for rockbox.. :-)
20:15:10jepleryes, I know I can transfer by booting the original firmware (I'd probaby be very annoyed if I didn't know that:-P)
20:15:11Spyro_boyI thought that was obvious :)
20:15:37Spyro_boynot sure why this happens but my music folder on my sansa e280 is hidden from the file manager.
20:15:44Spyro_boyany idea why?
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20:15:54*Domonoky thinks sansa of does this..
20:16:18jeplerSpyro_boy: I noticed that too −− after setting up the Database, I can get to my music through it.
20:16:18Spyro_boyI wiped the drive and only put rockbox and it appeared.
20:16:23Spyro_boyI think the OF does it.
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20:17:21scorche|workDatabase looks in hidden folders
20:17:27Spyro_boyI'ma try to see if it's got the hidden attri.
20:17:30nlsTemik: are you using any patches? for which file do you get that error
20:17:30DomonokyTemik: this is an error from compiling rockbox ?
20:17:40scorche|workso if it is there, database will pick it up
20:17:52Spyro_boyscorche|work, well, I like to use the file manager.
20:18:17DomonokySpyro_boy: yes the sansa of hides it .. if yoe rename the folder.. all is good .-)
20:18:19*amiconn used one of his oldest targets this week, the archos plaer
20:18:26Spyro_boyDomonoky, really?
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20:18:32Spyro_boyI'll try that.
20:18:38scorche|workSpyro_boy: that was more to jepler
20:18:52amiconnEvery time I do this, it's like a revelation. The MAS audio quality is still unsurpassed by any of the swcodec target's DACs
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20:19:24nlssince when is audio quality important ? ;-)
20:20:14Spyro_boyI think the OF gives
20:20:17Temikls> Temik: are you using any patches? for which file do you get that error
20:20:18Temik<Domonoky> Temik: this is an error from compiling rockbox ?
20:20:18Temikgmake[2]: *** [libgcc/m68040/_fixunsdfsi.o] Error 1
20:20:22Spyro_boy"music" the hidden flag
20:20:40Spyro_boybecause I can't see it in windows either and I don't have perms to view hidden folders. :/
20:20:55scorche|workSpyro_boy: that is what we just said
20:20:55*Spyro_boy is at school.
20:21:07Spyro_boyscorche|work, eh. hehe.
20:21:22LearTemik: Building GCC itself? See CrossCompiler wiki, and check for one of the gcc patches.
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20:21:40markunTemik: I get that as well in FreeBSD
20:21:44Temikpatch gcc-3.4.6-amd64.patch
20:21:54Spyro_boyscorche|work, I assume the file manager doesn't have a "show hidden files" option?
20:22:25LearNeed gcc-3.4.6.patch too, perhaps...
20:22:40TemikSorry, I'm badly say on English
20:22:49bluebrotherSpyro_boy: you don't need to show hidden folders in windows explorer if you know the name ...
20:22:55DomonokySpyro_boy: in rockbox you can choose the "view all" option..and the you see hidden folders..
20:22:56Spyro_boybluebrother, I know.
20:23:04nlsTemik: the amd64 patch is to prevent an ICE when compiling gcc, not this error
20:23:11Spyro_boybluebrother, I don't have perms on the school computers to enter hidden directories.
20:23:11amiconnbluebrother: Unless the location bar is hidden...
20:23:22bluebrotheramiconn: indeed :)
20:23:22Spyro_boyDomonoky, looking..
20:24:00scorche|workSpyro_boy: can you go to Tools > Folder Options?
20:24:12Spyro_boyI think I found it.
20:24:14Spyro_boyscorche|work, no.
20:24:31Spyro_boygot it.
20:24:40Spyro_boyAll I care is that I can view it in rockbox. :D
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20:28:52jepleraw man
20:29:00jeplerspacerocks will spawn you when a rock is right over the starting position
20:29:30Spyro_boyspacerocks? does that come by default?
20:29:32*Spyro_boy looks
20:29:41Spyro_boycool, it does.
20:29:54bluebrotherall plugins are part of the distribution. Well, all official plugins.
20:30:25Learn1s: btw, saw a Vorbis speed difference in test_codec depending on core binary size too.
20:31:42TemikThank very much! All good!
20:33:34nlsLear: maybe it's a test_codec issue rather than a vorbis issue...
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20:37:53Learnls: Doesn't look like it. test_codec only updates the lcd once a second. But reset_poweroff_timer is called after each frame; probably better in the LCD update loop...
20:40:09nico__i'm looking for a gapless flash memory player. since i'd rather avoid the nano, the only option seems to be rockbox on a Sansa e200; however i see that there are problems about the USB handler on those models... what does it mean exactly?
20:40:50bluebrotherRockbox does not have usb right now. You need to boot into the OF for accessing the "disc"
20:41:27nico__hmm the OF only works with windows i think :-/
20:42:06|Rain|there's an option to make it appear as a usb mass storage device in the OF settings
20:42:21|Rain|scsi 46:0:0:0: Direct-Access SanDisk Sansa e250 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0
20:42:57nico__hmm ok so this can be a viable option...
20:43:15nico__would you recommend it to me or rather point me to another player?
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20:44:04|Rain|I have one and like it, but I haven't played with a wide variety
20:44:13bluebrotherif you want to put Rockbox on it the only alternative is the Nano 1G
20:44:29nico__i've seen the Trekstor Vibez does gapless out of the box but i keep reading bad things about the clickwheel... plus it seems way more bulky
20:45:15nico__bluebrother, actually i only want rockbox for the ability to play gapless, so if a players does it by default i don't need to replace its OF
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20:45:34bluebrothernico__: this is #rockbox. I don't think there are much people in here who can tell you much about unsupported players.
20:46:01nico__right :)
20:46:34nico__anyway thanks, i think i'll go with the sansa
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20:46:47bluebrotherso, speaking of players supported by Rockbox there are only the Ondio, Nano 1G and sansa that are flash based.
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20:48:27nico__i understand that rockbox is rather focused on archoses, right?
20:48:58bluebrothernot anymore.
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20:49:36jeplernico__: I just got a sansa e260 and I like it so far with rockbox
20:49:49nico__anything foreseen about the Archos 105 ?
20:49:54bluebrotherRockbox isn't focussed on any specific players. It's just only that some players it has been ported to.
20:50:55bluebrotherthe archos 105 is completely different than the archos players that are currently supported.
20:51:07desowinnico__: don't fear, in OF you select msc usb mode, and then you can access it as any normal mass storage
20:51:26desowinit's covered by installation instructions too
20:51:46nico__okay thanks
20:52:10desowinand rockbox own usb is not only a dream, it's much closer to have this implemented than few months ago
20:52:14bluebrotherskimming the manual might be a good idea to get an idea about Rockbox ;-)
20:52:45nico__i did it, that's where i read about the usb problem
20:53:03*bluebrother thought about the FAQ first
20:53:11desowinbasically it's just - you want to connect to computer - you shut down rockbox and then plug cable
20:53:20desowinand everything is allright then
20:54:03jepleron the sansa, the OF insists on "rebuilding database" for about 2 minutes, so there can be a fairly long wait involved
20:54:24jepler(would this still happen if my music was not in the MUSIC/ folder?)
20:54:28bluebrotherhasn't that been circumvented?
20:54:42|Rain|oi. rockbox's FAT code is very good at triggering gcc bugs :/
20:54:48desowindepends if you have .mp3/.wma on player, if you have only .ogg then you aren't covered by that database thingie :D
20:54:54Domonokybluebrother: only for certain sansa of versions..
20:54:57jeplerdesowin: I have a lot of legacy .mp3 files
20:55:02bluebrotherok ...
20:55:29nico__desowin, i'll make sure to encode all my stuff in ogg then ;-)
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20:55:52amiconnbluebrother: Only for certain versions of the OF
20:55:58desowinnico__: (don't be scared that OF won't play those)
20:56:02*amiconn should read up first
20:56:22bluebrothermaybe telling me twice helps in me remembering it better ;-)
20:56:36desowinbut OF of sansas is crap, rockbox takes use of that hardware
20:56:54nico__desowin, if i got it right the OF won't be involved in playing the files but only getting them onto the device
20:57:04nico__so no problem :)
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21:09:00jepler(no, renaming the MUSIC folder to MUSIC_ doesn't make the OF "Refresh Database" quick)
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21:14:50jeplerlooks like I have a newer firmware than was supported at that time, 01.02.18A
21:16:09krazykiti'll try downgrading when i get back from work. i'd be happy to rid myself of that stupid "refresh database"
21:18:14|Rain|I believe 01.02.18A is the newest firmware for the americas
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21:32:07Nico_Pdionoea: could you ping me when you come back ?
21:34:26ChrononHmph. I can't seem to move a topic to Rockbox General Discussion at the moment
21:34:36Chronon(on the forums)
21:35:19Chrononnevermind... merging instead.
21:39:49Spyro_boyRockDOOM owns.
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22:08:59jrsharphey all
22:10:41toffe82hey you
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22:18:54low_lightZagor: I think I've got the system_reboot figured out
22:19:11low_light^ for c200
22:21:34scorche|workBagder: around?
22:22:24low_lightZagor: patch...
22:24:03low_lightmore magic ;)
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22:27:12Bagder"A DSP library, written entirely in c54x assembly, for communicating
22:27:12Bagderwith the ARM side kernel module. "
22:27:31Bagderthat's something for the mrobe 500 people to watch out for
22:27:40Bagder(from Neuros gsoc project)
22:28:16Zagorlow_light: gotta love those magic numbers...
22:31:16Spyro_boyhow do you develop for these devices?
22:31:25Spyro_boyI'm sure it's damn annoying to install the firmware everytime.
22:31:34ZagorSpyro_boy: cross compilers
22:31:53Spyro_boyyeah, but debugging must be hideous.
22:32:09Zagorthat's why we do it right from the beginning ;)
22:33:23Spyro_boyI feel like messing around with RockDOOM's sauce. I want to see if I can rebind left and right key to scroll left and right.
22:33:42amiconnZagor: Did you try more extreme contrast values (namely 0 and 255)? Maybe it doesn't have as much effect as one might expect...
22:34:19Zagoramiconn: no. every time I tried anything other than 0x55 it gave me a black screen.
22:34:34ZagorI tried as low as 0x10 iirc
22:34:38amiconneh? weird...
22:34:47low_lightyou need a magic wand
22:35:12Spyro_boymagic wands rule.
22:35:21amiconnI noticed that there are some remarks regarding range limits, depending on the bias setting. Then I noticed that the init sequence doesn't touch the bias register...
22:35:25preglowhow much cash will rockbox get for gsoc participation now?
22:35:50Zagoramiconn: yeah I saw that too. that's when I tried to go low, but no luck
22:35:54preglowgoogle summer of code
22:36:54scorche|workpreglow: i believe the FAQ said 500
22:37:20preglowso 500*3 bucks, not too bad
22:37:36Spyro_boywhy three?
22:37:43Spyro_boythree developers?
22:37:45scorche|workMentoring organizations will receive 500 USD per student shortly after the final evaluation deadline, August 31, 2007
22:37:46Zagorlow_light: so you've tested that magic snippet and get it to reboot? with usb connected too?
22:37:49preglowthree successful projects
22:38:02scorche|workpreglow: are you sure it is successful only?
22:38:13preglowscorche|work: not at all
22:38:43scorche|workwell, im sure we will find out...
22:39:51low_lightZagor: yes, it worked for me
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22:42:27linuxstb_preglow: I would be surprised if google didn't pay for all projects, regardless if the student passed or failed.
22:44:53linuxstb_After all, we saved them money by failing the student ;)
22:45:01scorche|workactually, i think i remember asking this on the GSoC IRC back when the summer hadnt begun, and they said as long as the mentor reviews are fine....or something like that
22:45:32low_lightZagor: do you think it should reboot on usb insert or require button + usb (like the h10)
22:46:18amiconnI would think it should reboot normally, and enter usb power mode with button, like the other targets
22:46:39ZagorI think so too
22:46:51amiconnThe h10 behaves the opposite to ease operation of mtp firmware H10s
22:47:09amiconn(ums trick reqires holding select on boot)
22:49:22*amiconn wonders whether the same magic applies to the e200
22:50:19Spyro_boymmmm magic
22:50:51*ender` yawns
22:50:53low_lightI don't know why it's different for the OF vs BL
22:51:41low_lightbut I also don't know what 0x70000008 is used for
22:53:08*low_light discovers that select + usb insert enters usb power mode
22:54:36scorche|work"We'll discuss when you should fail your student, etc"....should be useful for next year
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22:55:35toffe82I have a problem building the sim of the gigabeat F on the vmware image
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22:56:33toffe82on language.o, it says file in wrong format
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22:58:22linuxstb_toffe82: Did you previously build a normal build in the same directory?
22:58:46toffe82I just did a make clean and it works
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23:04:23low_lightlinuxstb_: should sansapatcher work on vista?
23:05:43toffe82when I try to open a plug in in the simulator, I have an error the application is not a valid windows image, do I miss something ?
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23:10:13linuxstb_low_light: Yes, but UAC can get in the way.
23:10:29TMMbut then again, why would you want to? ;)
23:12:17linuxstb_toffe82: Yes, do "make install" - the simulator runs native (e.g. x86) binaries, not the binaries from the device.
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23:14:33peturBagder: I take you saw the google mails re taxform?
23:15:25Bagderno I didn't
23:16:58peturdid you send tax info to them?
23:17:47peturthey are doing the first batch of payments and if you want to be with them you need to send it in
23:17:56*petur will forward mail
23:17:58low_lightlinuxstb_: UAC? there's a c240 user who can't get it to work:
23:17:58BagderI've got no mail about anything mentioning tax
23:18:10scorche|worki guess if you are not a non-profit, you take a 28% or so hit for taxes
23:19:42pregloware we anything at all?
23:19:55peturyup, bag of shit
23:20:03Bagderwe're just a bunch of individuals
23:20:04preglowahh, what's the tax hit for that?
23:20:31Bagder"send your W8BEN or W9 information" ...
23:20:48Bagderand I know _exactly_ what that is... :-)
23:20:55scorche|workThis year's participation in GSoC was (as far as I know) the first real occasion where the K-3D project received money. Since there is no formal organization around K-3D, this raised the issue of how to handle the money. It would be nice to leave it with the organization itself, rather than just distributing it among the mentors with a 28% loss to taxes. That way, the money can be kept aside for things like advertising when the project is mature en
23:21:33BagderW8BEN or W9
23:21:42BagderI take it that's some papers of some sort in the us?
23:22:04scorche|workim sure google (the search engine) can spead some light on that =)
23:22:32BagderI just like the lack of info from these guys
23:22:33low_lightZagor: here's the usb reboot patch if you care to test...
23:23:35peturBagder: there has been info on this in the past, check your gmail boxx
23:23:50BagderI checked, I've got no such info at all
23:24:13Bagderunless I got it in my spam box and it has been deleted automatically since
23:24:33scorche|workyour spam box seems to eat up quite a bit of your mail =P
23:24:46Bagdergmail... eh sucks
23:24:49Zagorisn't that the idea?
23:24:54Dark_Apostrophegmail sucks indeed.
23:25:06Bagderand they force me to use this for gsoc communications
23:25:33Bagderand yeah, google's own mail ends up in my gmail spam box is indeed irony
23:25:43preglowdoesn't here
23:25:50Dark_ApostropheWell, at least you don't have to read their spam.
23:25:53Bagderbut then, my biggest problem is that they don't mail me at all
23:26:01low_lightZagor: I'm wondering if there could be problems if there's "disk" activity while it tries to reboot
23:26:40Zagorlow_light: no, we don't get to that point until all threads have reported usb-ready
23:27:03 Part Redbreva ("User is away.")
23:30:00low_lightgotta run
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23:34:17toffe82linuxstb : I run make install but it still give me the same error, I am on vmware and after I copy the archos folder on my windows machine
23:37:12Zagoryay. got a linux kernel oops by the c200
23:38:02bluebrotherhmm. Is it true that ajbrec.ajz has the same header for player and recorder v1?
23:38:20linuxstb_toffe82: Sounds like you're trying to run Linux code on Windows...
23:38:21amiconnyes and no
23:38:26amiconn(to bluebrother)
23:38:34nlstoffe82: the vmware is linux, you can't run programs from it on windows
23:38:43amiconnIt has the same header format, but on the player it's not called ajbrec.ajz
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23:39:01bluebrotherah. Missed that. Phew.
23:39:41amiconn(ajbrec probably means Archos JukeBox RECorder. Dunno about the extension.)
23:39:42toffe82no, I compile rockbox on the linux and I run the windows sim
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23:40:02webguest95I have aquestion.
23:40:25webguest95I would like to know if i could customize the rockbox bootscreen?
23:40:27toffe82linuxstb : normally you compile rockbox on linux and use the sim on windows ?
23:40:42webguest95Like change the picture that says rockbox?
23:40:57bluebrotherwebguest95: no, unless you recompile yourself
23:40:58scorche|workwebguest95: yes, but you need to recompile
23:41:05webguest95oh but what dioes that mean? recompile?
23:41:43bluebrotheryou need to build the software yourself.
23:42:12amiconntoffe82: I'd say most of us either compile on linux and then also use the sim natively on linux, or compile on windows+cygwin and then use the sim on windows
23:42:37webguest95ok i geuss that gonna be that the only way to do it?
23:42:42Zagorreboot, brb
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23:42:44amiconnThat said, linux *can* crosscompile the sim for windows, but the wiki page about that even mentions that there are problems regarding plugins
23:42:55toffe82amiconn: ok
23:43:11amiconnI don't know which flavour of vmware image you use (there are now 2 on the download server)
23:45:00toffe82the debian4 from the wiki
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23:45:51webguest95thanks anyway! I still like rockbox, i finally figured out how to put linux on my ipod 5G sux...i caouldn't even find a way to use rockbox with it and i couldn't control the volume or even when i put the games on it they would load right! It also made my ipod slower.
23:46:01*amiconn mainly compiles on cygwin (more comfortable even if its slower), but sometimes also compiles on linux (either on an amd64 machine or on a "full fledged" vmware image)
23:46:06webguest95ROckbox is way better by a million times!
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23:47:37Bagderhm, "the check"
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23:48:00BagderI can't believe checks are still around in that big country
23:48:22TMMBagder: seems a tad naive, doesn't it?
23:48:42peturheh, and faxing forms ;)
23:48:53Bagderyes, indeed a funny combo
23:49:02Bagderthat 80s feeling ;-)
23:49:09*preglow never used a check
23:49:24BagderI've used checks, but all of them have been sent to me from the US...
23:49:27TMMprobably BECAUSE it is such a big country, probably very hard to change it all over to a better system
23:49:31*petur is old enough to have done it ;)
23:49:53preglowTMM: not exactly something that can't be done gradually
23:50:01TMMI suppose so
23:50:16TMMchecks are gone from .nl since, well, at least 10 years, probably longer
23:50:29preglowyou can still use checks here, i suppose
23:50:34preglowbut people will look weirdly at you
23:50:41Bagderand laugh...
23:50:43TMMI can vaguely remember my father writing a check, but it is vague enough that it might be while I was 12 or younger
23:50:55preglowi remember my dad using them tons, but that's a long time ago
23:51:15*linuxstb_ spent most of his student life writing cheques - they work even if you have no money...
23:51:19TMMI'm too young to have used them :)
23:51:32TMMlinuxstb_: isn't that kind of the problem? ;)
23:52:34*nls has never used checks nor fax machines...
23:52:52TMMow I HAVE used fax machines, I'm not THAT young ;)
23:53:12peturBagder: we should also write a round-up of gsoc for rockbox, shall I start it on a wiki page?
23:53:22Bagderyes please!
23:53:32TMMdid rockbox recieve google support? :)
23:53:46BagderTMM: 4 summer of code students
23:53:54TMMneat! what did they do? ;)
23:54:39preglowtake the mentors hostage and demand money :/
23:54:48preglowi'm still locked in a small room typing this via my mobile
23:54:50TMMow, I suppose that would work :)
23:55:13preglowthey churned out some code and got paid for it by google, really
23:55:15TMMpreglow: you DO realize you can call 911 with it as well? it WOULD mean you'd have to go offline for a bit :)
23:55:19Bagderlooking at the conditions, I think maybe someone in the US should received the money
23:55:36BagderI'll read it through once more...
23:55:38preglowBagder: we don't know anyone in the us we trust, do we? :P
23:55:51BagderI can't think of any... :-P
23:55:54*Bagder ducks
23:56:00*preglow dives
23:56:02peturwe have one mentor there
23:57:10TMMBagder: they put my player in backorder :(
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