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#rockbox log for 2007-09-27

00:00:19rasherBagder: any idea why the crosscompiled (linux->windows) binaries get so huge? Even if I remove -g from GCCOPTS, they still shrink considerably after running strip on them
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00:01:06scorche|workBagder: heh...another job for the rockbox courier? =P
00:01:49amiconnrasher: Define "huge"
00:02:04amiconnThe sim binaries are huge in general due to the debug symbols
00:02:16amiconnI mean also when not crosscompiled
00:02:32nlsrasher: maybe it's gcc's way of telling you that windows "suckz0rz" :-D ?
00:02:43Bagdergotta go
00:02:57rasherI'll have to get back to you on the numbers. I just remember they shrink a few hundred percent when stripped (making them runnable in the sim)
00:04:58amiconnSome examples for windows binaries (compiled on cygwin): H300 rockboxui.exe ~2.3MB, doom.rock ~1.2MB
00:05:13rasherAnd that runs?
00:06:04amiconnamd64 linux binaries: H300 rockboxui ~2.5MB, doom.rock ~2.4MB
00:06:05Zagorlowlight: your magic doesn't work so well for me. it reboots but then hangs instead of going into OF USB
00:06:23amiconnSo in fact the amd64 linux binaries are larger than the windows binaries...
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00:09:48TMMjust out of curiousity, is it so that rockbox can't act as a USB drive? so you have to use the original firmware for that? or is that only on certain players?
00:10:10bluebrotherit's only on the portalplayer targets.
00:10:18bluebrotheri.e. those without hardware USB mode.
00:10:22TMMah, ipods
00:10:26scorche|workthe other devices, USB works fine
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00:10:30scorche|worknot just ipods
00:10:50scorche|workPP targets include ipods, iriver h10, sansa
00:11:00TMMah, I didn't know that
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00:13:51tumudoes gcc's -fprofile-arcs work for sim builds?
00:14:23nlstumu: don't think anyone tried it so there's only one way to dind out :-)
00:14:53tumuas wiki only tells about some other way
00:15:26tumuwhich seems to be complex
00:16:45rasheramiconn: the windows sim when crosscompiled completely refuses to load .rocks or .codecs larger than some size, perhaps 512KiB, giving the error toffe82 said
00:17:09nlstumu: you mean profiling? that gives different information
00:18:08nls-fprofile-arcs records how man times each call and branch is executed, profiling records how much time is spent doing something
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00:20:14jeplerdarned RefreshDatabase waiting
00:20:26nlstumu: however running any of those on the sim would probably not yield very representative results of the behaviour on target
00:20:30jeplerif only I were smart enough to figure out the magic numbers to make it skip in my firmware
00:20:32toffe82rasher: I was not compiling the simulator, I was compiling rockbox, I thought I could take the resulting folder and use it with the windows sim
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00:21:15nlstumu: if you have a coldfire target there is support in rockbox for doing profiling on target
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00:22:13rashertoffe82: oh well that's bound not to work.. I'm pretty sure that's not what happened for me though
00:25:00amiconnrasher: I guess there is problem with the cross linker then, as binaries compiled on cygwin do work
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00:26:41amiconnHmm, iirc a crosscompiled sim made with my 'debbox' vmware image did work ... I should perhaps re-check
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00:37:50bluebrotherhmm. Just downloaded the current recorderv2 firmware from the archos site and it shows the version id 8?
00:38:09bluebrotheraccording to scramble.c this should be 2. Strange.
00:39:33jepleris the as3514 (sansa) datasheet available? I am curious what it would take to add headphone detection, which is on the bullet list
00:39:40ToHellWithGAcould somebody help me understand the difference between current builds and daily builds? rockbox-info.txt in both is the same date
00:39:43TMMok, time to go
00:39:47TMMlater people
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00:40:08jeplerI see others have had this on their minds before (eg but I haven't found an answer yet
00:40:39linuxstb_ToHellWithGA: A daily build is built from SVN at a fixed time each day (around 6AM GMT I think), the current builds are built every time SVN changes.
00:40:42bluebrotherToHellWithGA: daily (or archived) builds are created once per day
00:40:51*bluebrother too slow
00:41:35ToHellWithGAso daily is, with the exception of right at that 6am build, generally older than current
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00:56:46amiconnbluebrother: (for the log) The "recorder v2" firmware on the archos site is a wrong link. It's in fact the Ondio FM v1.32b firmware.
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00:56:59amiconnIt's not the only linking problem on that site :/
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01:09:16***Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
01:12:18Nico_Pjepler: some rockbox devs got the datasheet under NDA
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01:14:58bistouriHi, could Sansa users have a look at my logo and give me an opinion ? thanks
01:16:16Nico_Pbistouri: french ?
01:16:38bistourisi senor
01:16:46*Nico_P too
01:17:07Nico_Pnice to see some french people interested in rockbox
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01:17:30bistourii love it
01:17:37Nico_Pbistouri: anyway, I'm not a sansa owner, but I quite like it... I just think the reflection may be a bit large
01:18:31Nico_Por maybe it has too much weight compared to the normal text, but I think it hurts readability a bit
01:19:23bistouriwas never embarrassed with its weight
01:19:24*petur wrote a roundup article on GSoC 2007 to be posted on the Google ML. Please correct any mistakes I made...
01:19:27Nico_Pand maybe there should be a space before and after the sansa... it looks a bit tight between the two texts
01:19:51bistourii use my sansa for rollers , run and more, quite usabe
01:20:38Nico_Pbistouri: I was speaking about the weight of the reflection... maybe not the best choice of words
01:20:52bistouriNico_P: ok lol
01:21:56Nico_Ppetur: nice report
01:22:03bistourii added a anti reflection for 10€ and it offers a good protection
01:22:07*Nico_P has one to write for his school
01:22:16peturdo check that I got everything right
01:23:05Nico_Plooks like you did
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01:26:10bistouriFor next google coding sessions, don't forget to add "port SBaGen to Rockbox" :)
01:27:07Nico_Ppetur: maybe the current SummerOfCode wiki page should be renamed to SummerOfCode2007 and a new one created for 2008 ?
01:27:20peturyups ;)
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01:30:44Bam2550So im not aloud to ask how to play Pokemon Blue/yellow with RockBox
01:30:45Nico_Phmm apparently I can't rename so I think I'll leave doing that to someone with more powers :)
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01:33:50peturwell if you can't than I will not be able too... maybe copy the text to another page and change that one ;)
01:34:09SoapBam2550: You are not allowed, in this channel or on the forums, to discuss any method of obtaining said ROMs - as dumping the hardware cartridge is not a Rockbox issue. You are not allowed, in this channel or on the forums, to discuss gameplay or strategy - as that is a Nintendo fan forum type of question. You ARE allowed to ask about the procedure for using them - ASSUMING you have read the manual - which tells you how do to so, if you have a specific
01:34:09Soap question regarding somewhere you feel the manual is lacking we greatly welcome it. But a "I'm too lazy to read the manual - you guys are faster" type of question will not be answered, and repeated ones of that sort will not be tolerated.
01:34:54Bam2550Thanks Soa[
01:34:57Nico_Ppetur: I think I'll just edit the page and leave it for someone to rename
01:35:42Nico_Ppetur: and I'll start a SummerOfCode2008 page
01:36:48bistouriIs it a real place to suggest functions or my demand is too specific ?
01:37:02bistouriconcerning SummerOfCode2008 page
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01:37:49peturit's a wiki... you add, we can delete if we do not like it :p
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01:40:11bistouripetur: ure a legal defacer ^^
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01:45:55peturNico_P: are you still editing that wiki page?
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01:46:00Nico_Pwhich ?
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01:46:22peturah, I had some text prepared for it
01:46:43Nico_Ppetur: I've savec but maybe i'll do a few more changes
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01:48:26peturdid you change much? I want to replace it with a short version that points to 2007 and 2008 (the original SummerOfCode is now in SummerOfCode2007)
01:49:15Nico_Pclicking on the SummerOfCode2007 link I added and seeing a similar page puzzled me a lot :)
01:49:31Nico_PI didn't change too much, see the history
01:49:59peturyups... switch is complete....
01:50:21Nico_Pyes, it's better that way
01:50:40Nico_PI'll redo my changes... the aim was to try to show what we students chose from
01:51:00peturok, sorry for the double work
01:51:21Nico_Pdon't worry, it wasn't much ;)
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02:03:40IsolinearSo is there any difference in charging the iPod 5G in Rockbox vs. charging it in the OF?
02:04:33IsolinearOF more efficient?
02:05:03scorcheit can get more power off of USB
02:05:41IsolinearWhen plugged into a computer or wall charger?
02:05:45IsolinearOr does it even matter?
02:06:05saratogaboth i think
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02:18:34Bam2550Hey, i was looking through the Ipod Nano manual on how to put rom games on. But i couldn't find instructions. =\ Can someone point me in the right direction? Sorry for being such a newb.
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02:19:16krazykitBam2550: put them in a directory. that's it.
02:19:50Bam2550I heard that the extension has to be like .gb instead of .gba? is this true?
02:20:08krazykit.gba are gameboy advance games, presumably. those won't work.
02:20:27Bam2550but someone said if i change it from .gba to .gb it will be fine
02:20:32krazykitsomeone lied.
02:20:45Bam2550eh im going to try it, cant hurt right?
02:20:49krazykitit won't work.
02:21:06Bam2550Will it hurt my ipod if it doesn't?
02:21:08scorchewhy try it if you know it wont work?
02:21:17krazykitit won't hurt it, but why bother?
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02:21:31krazykityou can't magically make a gameboy advance game a gameboy game by changing the extension
02:21:46krazykityou can't burn an n64 ROM to a CD and play it on a playstation, can you?
02:22:17maxkelleykrazykit: it's a logical deduction.. gameboy games were compatible with the advance.
02:22:39saratogaBam2550: why not just rename your Ipod into a Gameboy?
02:22:45scorchemaxkelley: no it isnt because advance werent compatible on a gamboy
02:22:47saratogaseems easier
02:23:36maxkelleyscorche: true, but we still don't have to harass someone because they had an idea.
02:23:42Lloreanmaxkelley: A logical deduction that's horribly faulty. DOS programs ran under windows, but I'd like to see you make Quake 4 run in DOS.
02:23:43Bam2550er why is it asking "you g: isnt formatted, would you like to format now?" Sounds bad o.0
02:23:50scorchemaxkelley: i dont see anyone harrassing anyone else
02:24:11maxkelleyLlorean: ok, ok..
02:24:15maxkelleyscorche: ?
02:24:40scorchemaxkelley: where is anyone harrassing another person?
02:25:22Bam2550Blargh, never mind, i can't connect my iPod to my computer.
02:25:22Lloreanmaxkelley: Also, while I'm here, I'd like you to be more careful giving advice. Like that time you said "just replacing the MI4 is probably enough." Please don't suggest things unless you *know* what you're talking about, spreading misinformation in the official channel just makes life harder for all of us.
02:25:45scorche(and is against the guidelines)
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02:26:14maxkelleyif you're truly so concerned about it, why isn't the channel +m?
02:26:26LloreanBecause we expect people to be mature and rational about things.
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02:26:48LloreanAnyone can read the manual and learn the update process before telling people how to do it.
02:27:25maxkelleyI'm sorry, but I feel Bam2550's frustration and confusion, because it seems like every time I've come asking for help, I've gotten a dry, general response, or not one at all.
02:27:48Lloreanmaxkelley: He was told, specifically, that they will not work. How is that a "general" response? It's correct, and accurate?
02:28:30maxkelleyIt was correct, that's true.
02:28:33LloreanWhat about it is "confusing" except for the fact that he refused to accept that he was being told the truth?
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02:29:17maxkelleyit wasn't confused, but it would have been nice to give an explanation, instead of " it just won't work."
02:29:17LloreanBecause the person who responded to him actually told him something factually correct, rather than a guess.
02:29:46Lloreanmaxkelley: It's a gameboy emulator. He was told "gba games are gameboy advance games". What exactly needs to be added to this?
02:29:56RudManhe didn't need to know why, just that it doesn't work
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02:30:07LloreanIf he asked "Why not?" then he surely would've been told more.
02:30:12maxkelleyalright, I'm sorry for turning it into a debate.
02:30:20LloreanBut people tend to feel your patronizing if you sit and explain every detail to them.
02:30:26Lloreanyou're, rather
02:30:56LloreanSo, to sum things up: Give concise answers that are factually correct, expect concise answers that are factually correct, and we'll all get along fine.
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02:33:54kenguesthi - is there some equivalent to ctrl-alt-del in rockbox to make my iriver turn off? accidentally opened a .wmv file and now my player is hanging/crashed.
02:34:06Thundercloudreset button?
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02:34:40kenguestunfortunately I don't have any paperclips to hand!
02:35:27maxkelleyif the battery is removable, try that.
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02:38:31Bam2550w00t i fixed it
02:38:37Bam2550Time to put my music back on
02:40:55kenguestheh. just tried the tip of a corkscrew. fixed it!
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02:49:24krazykitkenguest: do be careful with stuff like that, it'd be lame to break a chunk of plastic off your player like that
02:49:42komikI just put rockbox onto my 5G ipod video. I put an avi and ogg onto it and the file isnt listed when I look for it to play it.
02:49:58komikAnyway to fix that?
02:50:10krazykiti suggest reading the manual and the wiki, specifically about mpegplayer
02:50:28krazykitavi isn't supported, and "ogg" doesn't tell us anything about that particular file.
02:50:42krazykitis the "ogg" an ogg vorbis file? ogg/theora?
02:50:44komikGood point.
02:51:14krazykityou'll have to transcode that to mpeg2. the wiki tells you how to do that.
02:51:34kenguestkrazykit: very careful
02:53:19komikkrazykit: Thanks.
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03:00:46XavierGramiconn: you are right, the debbox image with the sim crosscompiled for windows works wonders
03:00:57XavierGrno bugs or issues at all when running the sim from windows
03:01:00Bam2550Is it possible to make an off switch on your ipod with rockbox?
03:01:49scorcheBam2550: what is wrong with holding play?
03:02:29Bam2550Takes to long, and sometimes it just stops the song so im there in the middle of French Class trying to turn it off while Madame Frenchie walks by
03:02:57scorcheand what button would you rather we change to off?
03:03:17Bam2550Well in the normal ipod firmware there is an option on the main screen where you can click it and it goes off.
03:04:17scorchei cant see going into the menu, scrolling over to the option, and clicking it being faster than just holding a button
03:04:29krazykitor more discreet would ahve to look at the device while doing that
03:05:10Bam2550Thanks for answering my question?
03:05:15Bam2550Oh wait nope.
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03:05:42krazykitBam2550: you're more than welcome to code up that option.
03:05:56Bam2550Well i was just wondering if there was or not.
03:06:06Bam2550I guess that one guy was right...
03:06:27scorcheBam2550: i asked those questions to see if there really is something wrong with how it is currently set up and if it would benefit all users if we changed it
03:06:39scorchewas right about what?
03:06:56krazykitBam2550: the answer to your first question is "yes it's possible" but you'd have to code it.
03:07:06Bam2550Hmm, time to learn to code?
03:07:18Bam2550What language is it in?
03:07:46Bam2550I know a little bit of C++ o.0
03:08:13scorcheit would be a simple change, but you would have to replace something with it...i dont knwo what you would replace
03:09:12Bam2550It doesn't sound very difficult, but it probably really isn't that easy.
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03:09:38scorchethe hard part would be finding something to replace
03:09:42krazykitBam2550: to simply change keymap, it's fairly easy. adding the menu option would be more work, but still certainly doable.
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03:10:01webguest71hi everybody
03:10:04Bam2550Is there a suggestion area>?
03:10:16scorchethen there is the menu option, which i still think would be slower, and you would have to be looking at the screen
03:10:18webguest71i have a question
03:10:27webguest71i have a mp4
03:10:40webguest71with chip actions 2091n
03:10:45scorcheBam2550: feature request section int he tracker
03:10:47LloreanBam2550: The idea of a "Shutdown" menu option has been discussed many times already, there's not much point in filing a feature request.
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03:11:02webguest71there are posibilities in the future use
03:11:11webguest71the rockbox fw??
03:11:28scorchewebguest71: are you asking if rockbox could be ported to your device?
03:12:04webguest71my device is a mp4 chip actions 2091N
03:12:10scorcheports arent requested...they are done by people who have the time, capability, and the device itself to do them
03:12:35scorchesee the wiki page NewPort for more information
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03:12:58webguest71scorche what divice do youi have???
03:13:03scorchei have a few
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03:16:18Bam2550Meh, now i have to put RockBox back on my ipod... *cries*
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03:20:56sin613is anyone aware if cpu_boost() affects coldfire targets? or is it necessary to use set_cpu_frequency()?
03:23:35Bam2550only took 3 minutes to get RockBocx
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03:26:25Bam2550How do i remove all those extra themes from my ipod?
03:26:36Bam2550Dumb question, nvm
03:28:39Bam2550What will happen if i move all those CFG files in my \.rockbox\themes into \.rockbox\themes\randomCFGfiles
03:28:53scorchewhy do you want to do that?
03:29:02scorchethey are a part of the theme
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03:29:21Bam2550Well, when i select a theme, they are always there in my way
03:29:28Bam2550(i'm going to be adding like 5 themes)
03:29:41scorchethere is a browse themes option...
03:29:48SoapBam2550: Might I refer you to section 8.3.4 of the manual. Please read it - and let us discuss any part of it you don't understand.
03:29:49RudManyou can just delete them if you don't want them
03:30:36Bam2550Soap, rockboy?
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03:31:14Bam2550Soap: 8.3.4 is RockBoy
03:32:03scorcheBam2550: 7.5
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03:33:03Bam2550scorche, thank you. But that still doesn't answer my question.
03:33:21scorcheBam2550: it solves your problem
03:33:47Bam2550No it really didnt
03:34:24scorcheyour problem was "they are always in my way"...i showed you the easiest way to change themes without all of the files "getting in your way"
03:34:30SoapI am sorry about that Bam2550, my screen - I kid you not - was stuck on one of the many questions you have asked tonight which are addessed in the most wonderful book which is the Rockbox manual. I know I pointed you at the wrong one, but I think I could randomly pick three numbers - and put them together (4.5.6) and it would be a section of the manual you have asked questions about recently.
03:35:20scorche(lets ignore Soap's rant and just say to please read the manual before asking any other questions :)
03:35:54Bam2550Well i still can't find my answer o.0...
03:36:16scorchewhy do you need the answer, when the problem is solved?
03:36:52Bam2550How is it solved? I want to remove those CFG files, i was just wondering if it would make the Rockbox stop working
03:37:01scorcheyour problem was "they are always in my way"...i showed you the easiest way to change themes without all of the files "getting in your way"
03:37:31Bam2550Yes, you said go to the View settings area... where those files are
03:37:37Bam2550view themes*
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03:45:09Bam2550I'm sorry about that, but i have a hijacker on my computer, and it cuts off my internet or something...
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03:45:31Bam2550Also i fixed the problem, but thanks.
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03:46:42Avaricecan anyone help me with my sansa 270 when i try to load the utility it says there is no sansa present
03:47:03atc200es-awayquick question, where can i find the bootloader for the h10 20gb on the rockbox xite, i havent used rockbox in forever and the site has chaged soo much
03:47:24scorcheatc200es-away: manual?
03:47:42atc200es-away? no just the .mi4 file
03:47:45Soap"You know how dumb the average person is? Well, by definition, half of 'em are even dumber than THAT."
03:47:55krazykitAvarice: it's a sansa e270, not an R? are you talking about rbutilqt?
03:47:59scorcheatc200es-away: everything you need is int he manual
03:48:08atc200es-awayoh ok thanx
03:48:46Avariceits not an r as far as i know it just show e270 under my comp when its hooked up
03:49:05krazykitAvarice: well, does the original firmware have Rhapsody channels?
03:50:10Avaricethere are no menus for it but the option for rhapsody is on the install disc
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03:50:21Avaricedoes that mean i have the r?
03:51:25krazykitif there are no menus for it, it's probably non-r
03:51:52krazykitAvarice: did you put the player in MSC mode?
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03:52:25Avaricedidnt see that in the installation instructions
03:52:56Avaricedid it now
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03:53:45Avaricei see it now
03:54:15Avariceon the utility i think i got it from here ill stay in chat if i run into a prob but i think i can move forward now
03:54:19Avaricethank you
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04:16:10Avaricecan you bounce back and forth between the sansa firmware and roxbox firmware
04:17:33Soapyes, dual boot is supported Avarice.
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04:23:30Avaricesoap could you tell me how to bounce back and forth or where i might get the info
04:24:57Avariceand no that i have rockbox on my sansa i cant find that MSC mode and the installer for themes and mods cant find the player
04:25:18krazykityou need to be in the original firmware to do USB transfers.
04:26:29Avariceok how do i get back to the original firmware
04:26:41Avaricesorry im a uber newb
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04:26:58krazykitturn off your player, then turn it back on and hold the "back" button
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04:27:29krazykitor just plug it in while it's off. that works too.
04:28:19Avariceand a regular reboot takes me back to rockbox
04:28:31Avariceit worked by the way ty
04:29:41Avaricei also notice that my music files dont appear in the rockbox mode any ideas on that?
04:30:11Bam2550Avarice, what are you using again?
04:30:16Bam2550What mp3.
04:30:49Avaricesansa e270
04:30:55Bam2550never mind.
04:31:30Avaricehave you ever had that problem of audio files not appearing on the rockbox side
04:31:59krazykitAvarice: if you're putting them in the Music folder, keep in mind that it's a hidden folder, and the OF makes it hidden every time you boot into it. either use rockbox's database or put your music in a different folder
04:32:45Avariceso anything other then the music folder and it will be on both sides?
04:33:09Avaricei would like to keep bounceing back and forth till i get use to roxbox.
04:34:27krazykitthe OF should see stuff in different folders
04:34:54AvariceOF= original firmare?
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04:36:10krazykitright, original firmware
04:45:39Avariceso what do you think is the best benefit of rockbox
04:49:32Bam2550fore ipod nano 1st generation, its the ability to play videos.
04:49:49Bam2550And all the super cool games you can play. (including ROMs, but i dont think we are aloud to talk about that)
04:50:19scorcheAvarice: decide for yourself:
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04:56:36Avariceagain let me thank everyone that helped me i was overwhelmed when i walked in here and now i got a grip on what rockbox is and look forward to playing with the features
04:56:59Avaricegoodnight all
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05:00:01KleviCan I have backdrop help?
05:02:39aliaskKevi: What's the issue?
05:02:54aliaskKlevi, even
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05:03:20KleviI put a bmp scaled properly for my sansa and nothing comes up while loading
05:03:41aliaskWhile loading what?
05:03:42Kleviafter opening it in the file browser and trying to manually set it, it fails too
05:03:54KleviOh. the backdrop image
05:04:02aliaskHow does it fail, does it say something? Or does it just not work?
05:04:21Klevisays Backdrop failed
05:05:29aliaskHrm, that's a helpful message... Can you show me the bitmap you're trying to load
05:06:13KleviYeah... DCC?
05:08:05aliaskSeems the DCC failed too...
05:08:16Klevinow try
05:09:15Kleviyour not getting an accept this box?
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05:09:29aliaskI am, it's just saying it fails as soon as I accept
05:09:43krazykitjust put it on or something.
05:09:46KleviIll photobucket it
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05:11:22Mouser_XI'm trying to figure out how to compile Rockbox, so that I can add some patches. While cygwin was downloading the SVN, my laptop crashed. How do I check to make sure I have the whole thing, or how do I "renew" or redownload it>
05:11:50aliaskKlevi: Well, for starters, it needs to be 176x220 resolution
05:12:06Klevifor the sansa c200?
05:12:10Mouser_XI tried "svn cleanup rockbox" and it did stuff, then I redid the SVN command thing, and it's telling me that files already exist.
05:12:12aliaskOh, sorry, misread
05:12:13KleviNot acc. to the manual for it
05:12:20Kleviah s'ok.
05:12:27KleviI cant get it to size perfectly
05:12:40Klevidoes it make all the difference?
05:12:44krazykitMouser_X: you could svn update
05:13:05aliaskKlevi: Yes, it must be 1:1 to the screen resolution
05:13:36Mouser_XAh. I didn't get that far in
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05:13:40Kleviand something unrelatd I just remembered, Rockboy, the GBC emulator for rockbox is intergrated into rockbox now?
05:13:42Mouser_XSorry, I see it now.
05:13:59krazykitMouser_X: if it doesn't take care of it, rm the rockbox folder and just checkout again.
05:14:22Mouser_XKlevi: Yes, has been for quite sometime (at least, it's been on my Gigabeat since January.)
05:14:55Klevialiask, any good suggestions for resizing programs?
05:14:57sarixewhat's the deal with viewports?
05:15:02KleviIm about to try ussing Gimp
05:15:08aliaskGimp is good
05:15:18sarixegimp has good algos for resizing
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05:16:59Mouser_Xcd.. isn't backing out of the rockbox folder...
05:17:08aliaskYou need a space in there
05:17:12aliask"cd .."
05:17:25KleviI have an interesting feature to add to Rockbox... a choice menu whether to load the original firmware, or Rockbox?
05:17:26Mouser_XI'm used to DOS (at least, for that.)
05:17:39KleviDOS uses cp?
05:17:53aliaskwell, you could hack cd.. to be an alias for cd ..
05:17:56Klevier/.. yeah
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05:18:22Mouser_XAs long as I've ever used it, cd.. has worked.
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05:19:23Mouser_X"rm: cannot remove 'rockbox': Is a directory.
05:19:47aliaskrm -r to recursively delete a directory
05:19:52Mouser_X(svn update gave me the same error as attempting to redownload/checkout did.)
05:21:57Klevialiask, to check the sansac200's res. is 130x80
05:22:14aliask132x80 iirc
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05:22:25KleviMy memory was close
05:22:38Mouser_XHow do I do "yes to all"? It keeps asking me for every single thing...
05:23:07aliaskrm -rf
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05:23:15aliaskCareful where you point that though, I suppose
05:23:45*aliask has accidentally done rm -rf / as root
05:23:56Mouser_XWell, I'm on my laptop. There's nothing on here that's all *that* important.
05:24:07Mouser_X(I've got all of it somewhere else.)
05:24:15aliaskGood good
05:24:20Mouser_XThanks for the heads up though.
05:25:26KleviAny idea when / if th Micro SD slot will be supported?
05:25:51aliaskShouldn't be too long really, but it's impossible to put a date on it
05:26:36KleviWell the backdrop still doesnt work
05:26:48KleviDimensions are right on this time
05:27:30sdoyonA question about mp3_play_stop() and voice_stop() in playback.c: The pcmbuf_play_stop() at the end of voice_stop() would be useful to cut down on stuttering when shutting up the voice if it were in mp3_play_stop()...
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05:28:48Mouser_XHow is the MoB going? As I recall, getting that implemented would help with support for small filetypes (NSF, MOD, SID, SPC, ect).
05:30:03aliaskKlevi: Try putting the bmp file in /.rockbox/backdrops and setting it from there (you'll need to set the view file types setting to all to see .rockbox)
05:32:09Kleviactauly i tried it automatically and it didnt work
05:32:13Klevibut manually it just did
05:32:33KleviI do know about putting it in Backdrops though already
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05:33:04aliaskSo you got it working?
05:35:05KleviWhere is "view file types" located in rockbox
05:35:27KleviI use windoes so the folder doesnt get hidden by a dot in front of the name
05:35:48aliaskHold select on the "browse files" option in the main menu
05:36:04aliaskI was referring to the rockbox setting
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05:44:04KleviI dnt have that menu
05:44:46aliaskThe main menu?
05:45:02KleviBrowse files
05:45:03Mouser_XI just push and hold the menu button.
05:45:26aliaskIs it just called "files"?
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05:45:37aliaskWell, that then.
05:45:45*aliask 's memory is quite rusty
05:46:17Klevieven there i dont have that menu
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06:26:16aliaskI've managed to load a rockbox.gigabeat file (i think), but it's just making the screen go black straight away (backlight stays on). Anyone got any ideas on what I should do? How can I debug?
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06:33:07Nimdaejust downloaded latest source package and having an error on build, wanted to stop by here before bugging it in case anyone ran into's for ipod video
06:33:17NimdaeLD doom.elf
06:33:17NimdaeOBJCOPY doom.rock
06:33:17Nimdaemake[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2
06:33:17DBUGEnqueued KICK Nimdae
06:33:17Nimdaemake: *** [build] Error 2
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06:33:52scorcheNimdae: that is why we have
06:34:14scorcheso you can see if the build server has the same problems...if it doesnt, it is likely on your end
06:35:05CtcpIgnored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
06:35:05*Nimdae looks
06:35:17Nimdaeoh that page
06:35:43Nimdaewell, i hadn't run into problems in the past, has the build environment requirements changed?
06:36:15scorchenot recently
06:36:22scorchemake clean?
06:37:00Nimdaethis is from a clean extract
06:37:11Nimdaelooks like i tracked it down to midi, no makefile
06:37:18NimdaeMAKE in midi
06:37:18Nimdaemake[3]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop.
06:37:18Nimdaemake[2]: *** [midi] Error 2
06:37:40scorchesvn revert -R
06:37:42Nimdaeseen some activity in midi on svn so this seems like the likely culprit
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06:38:09Nimdaei got the source tarball, not a svn download
06:38:48scorchewell, it still has to be /something/ on your end, as the build servers didnt have any issue with it..
06:39:20aliaskSounds like there are some files missing from the FILES file
06:40:59Nimdaeheh, i don't have subversion installed >.>
06:41:00*Nimdae gets
06:41:22stevenmNimdae, sorry.. looks like I broke it
06:41:44Nimdaeah ok
06:41:57stevenmthought it was OK since nothing went red.. but I guess the build never made it up there
06:42:07Nimdaei meant to stop by and say something earlier, but i was at work when i first had this problem
06:42:27aliaskstevenm: I think you're supposed to comment stuff out in the SUBDIRS file with C++ style comments, not a #
06:42:46stevenmaliask, aah, alright
06:43:13scorcheNimdae: well, thanks... (this is why i say likely) of the few times it wasnt the reporter =)
06:43:24aliaskNot sure if that's the cause of the problem though...
06:43:56stevenmBut no makefile? Did I accidentally wipe it out?
06:44:24Nimdaedoesn't the FILES file dictate what makes it in the tarball?
06:44:40aliaskThat's my understanding, Nimdae
06:45:13Nimdaeyeah, if my understanding is correct, the makefile may be in svn and may be grabbed with a svn checkout, but not in the tarball
06:45:42stevenmAah.. I think I see what happened. I never touched FILES, but I didn't make that Makefile, either
06:45:56stevenmI can fix it real fast though
06:47:26Nimdaethank you, sire
06:47:30stevenmno problem
06:47:34Nimdaei'm going medieval now
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06:49:08Nimdaestevenm: you mentioned a missing checkout didn't grab a makefile
06:49:47stevenmNimdae, no, I mean it was missing from FILES but was in SVN the whole time
06:49:53Nimdaeoh ok
06:50:02stevenmnls put it in a few days ago
06:50:03Nimdaejust checking
06:50:38stevenmyeah.. he finally gave midi its own makefile. before it was just including .c files
06:50:54stevenmsince i didn't know makefiles back then :(
06:51:11Nimdaei'm kinda tempted to pop some midis on my ipod to see how they play
06:51:15stevenmthe rockbox ones are still somewhat magical
06:51:33stevenmI hear it doesn't work on ipod that well at all. not enough CPU
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06:51:53Nimdaeit can play oggs...but has a hard time with midis...that's like...odd
06:52:02Nimdaebut then, has no midi hardware
06:52:15stevenmyeah... I hear it works well on gigabeat, and works fine on my h300 too
06:52:37stevenmmidi files themselves are small but there is a lot of computational overhead involved in synthesis
06:52:49stevenmsince it's based on a wavetable
06:53:14Nimdaeyeah, like i said, no midi hardware :(
06:54:31stevenmyep.. else it'd be trivial to play em
06:54:54stevenmbut hey, this is I guess the world's first firmware to support midi on a portable player
06:55:16stevenmwhich is in itself neat, even though it isn't quite useable on every target
06:55:16Nimdaei think my old rio claimed support
06:55:25stevenmwow, really?
06:55:27Nimdaei could be wrong
06:55:53stevenmi wonder how they did it
06:56:03Nimdaelet me rephrase that, i'm usually wrong
06:56:28Nimdaeok, just dumped some midis on there
06:56:50stevenmit will likely complain at lack of patchset
06:57:20stevenmie, the 22 meg set of instrument sounds
06:57:34stevenmwhich decompresses to ~40 mb :)
06:57:35Nimdaeyeah, it did
06:57:52Nimdaeis there a free patchset?
06:58:16stevenmi wish we could host it somewhere on the RB site
06:58:30stevenmand i ought to probably repackage it as .zip
06:58:44stevenmuntar that into .rockbox
06:59:35Nimdaedecent bandwidth at least
07:00:21stevenmuniversity pipe :)
07:00:55Nimdae500 kb/s
07:01:19Nimdaebrb, gonna make a backup of rockbox, update, and put in patchset
07:04:30Nimdaewow...working with my ipod in linux is clumsy
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07:08:57Nimdaenice error message..."Crap... null waveform..."
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07:10:50Nimdaeyeah, none of these are playing
07:11:56Nimdaeand there doesn't seem to be a way to get out of the midi player
07:12:38stevenm"Null waveform??"
07:12:47stevenmDo you mind if I have a copy of that file?
07:12:52Nimdaeyeah, i get a bunch of tohse and no audio
07:12:57Nimdaesec, i'll link you to what i downloaded
07:13:02stevenmI haven't seen that error in a long, long time
07:13:18stevenmwhich file?
07:13:28Nimdaei haven't had a single one not say it so far
07:13:41Nimdaeaerith.mid for example in
07:14:23Nimdaeoh wow, i got sound briefly, it was a screech, then the audio just died
07:14:42stevenmlet's see
07:15:17stevenmThat is uber strange
07:15:22stevenmPlaying on H300
07:15:33Nimdaelet me copy over patchfiles again
07:15:47stevenmmaybe patch set did not get installed right?
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07:16:08stevenmsome notes sound really strange, though. I need to kick pitch bend up to 14 bits
07:16:26Nimdaei should have a patchset subdirectory under .rockbox, right?
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07:18:49Nimdaemaybe it's a problem with my build of rockbox
07:19:00stevenmdoubt it would be..
07:19:04stevenmunless i just broke it...
07:19:07stevenmlet's check taht
07:19:45stevenmno.. runs on sim too
07:20:27Nimdaeh300 and ipod are both pp processors right?
07:21:43Nimdaei re-copied rockbox
07:21:51Nimdaere-copied patchset
07:21:53Nimdaeand it plays
07:22:04Nimdaewell, for a few seconds, then scrolls buffer miss
07:22:15stevenmsounds about right
07:22:27stevenmbuffer miss = plays it faster than it can produce it
07:22:34stevenmie, not enough CPU
07:24:01Nimdaeheh, it can play a couple instruments at once, that's about it
07:24:14Nimdaeonce you throw in a 4th or so, it spazzes out
07:24:24stevenmi wonder if ipods have two cores, and you can use both?
07:24:33Nimdaeit does
07:24:40Nimdaempegplayer uses second core
07:24:51stevenmmidi player can probably use it as well
07:26:16Nimdaeoh wow, clarinet sounds aweful
07:26:36LloreanNimdae: H300 is coldfire
07:26:46Nimdaeah ok
07:26:52LloreanH10 (not H100) is the PP iRiver
07:28:12stevenmyes, yes it does. I have no idea why.
07:28:28stevenm16 bit precision and pitch control do not help
07:28:49stevenmmaybe a better precision gus table.. but the one used came from their docs
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07:29:21stevenmtheir patches have a 'tune' parameter, maybe that tunes the root frequency? but there is virtually zero doc on that
07:30:13Nimdaemight i make a suggestion? make it fail if it hits a large amount of buffer misses
07:30:32Nimdaeif they get too intense, have to reboot ipod
07:30:43stevenmbut right now, I am going to bed
07:30:55stevenmget up early and today i spent 5 hours hacking on compsci
07:30:59stevenmtoo much programming
07:31:20Nimdaeat least you just have university to worry about
07:31:38stevenm"just" - it's all relative
07:31:44stevenmfun with the operating systems class
07:31:54stevenmand the weird research stuff that doesn't always quite work
07:32:25Nimdaeanyway, thanks for the fix, i'm off
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07:36:25toffe82is there a function which give the height of a font ?
07:37:17scorchetoffe82: most fonts say in the name
07:38:14toffe82scorche: so I have to read the name to find the height ? there is no other way ?
07:38:24aliasktoffe82: font_getstringsize
07:38:41aliaskThat gets the size of the current font.
07:38:48toffe82aliask: thanks
07:38:49scorcheah =)
07:42:39toffe82aliask: it return the width not the height
07:43:41aliaskint (*font_getstringsize)(const unsigned char *str, int *w, int *h, int fontnumber); <−−- from plugin.h
07:45:01toffe82aliask: ok, I have to read a little more ;)
07:47:06toffe82better go to bed , good night
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08:52:37GodEater_anyone have the crank handle for the forums lying around ? They appear to need winding up again.
08:53:06Ebertthe wps page needs winding
08:53:13Ebertthere needs to be a contest or something
08:53:35GodEater_there already is a contest
08:53:39GodEater_it's kind of died
08:54:11Ebertwhere was it announced/
08:54:35GodEater_in the WPS forum
08:54:39GodEater_funnily enough
08:54:54Ebertneeds to be on front page.. some ppl (like me) hate forums
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08:55:51GodEater_There's only so much we can put on the front page, and it's already overcrowded
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09:29:09GodEater_attention .se people
09:29:32*B4gder puts coffee cup down and sits straight
09:29:39GodEater_were we to move the forums to the main rockbox servers, we think we'd be looking at around 90GB/Month of traffic
09:29:43GodEater_is that realistic ?
09:29:51GodEater_or would we need more help to suck that up ?
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09:30:12B4gder90GB sounds a bit underestimated
09:30:29GodEater_Llorean says we get around 28K views a day
09:30:36GodEater_and we're working on around 100K per view
09:30:49GodEater_it's all very "finger in the air" maths ;)
09:31:02BigBambi_*back of the envelope*
09:31:08GodEater_or cigarette packet
09:31:28BigBambi_not any more
09:31:42B4gderbut anyway, the main thing I feel about it is that it would bring yet another service to maintain and nurse, and not as much about the bandwidth
09:31:45GodEater_you could steal someone else's ?
09:32:08GodEater_B4gder: this is true - but the "maintenance" we're getting on Jeff's server frankly sucks at the moment
09:32:22B4gderyeah, it's far from perfect
09:32:30BigBambi_B4gder: It is mainly how they never work in the mornings in Europe
09:32:38B4gderI know
09:33:24GodEater_is your "maintain and nurse" feeling because it would be you (or Zagor, or LinusN) having to DO the maintenance/nursing ?
09:34:06GodEater_are there none of us clueful types you'd trust to do it for you ?
09:34:12Zagorpersonally I think we could have the forums anywhere, just as we do today. no need to bring them into our .se cluster
09:35:15GodEater_also true - but the list of places to host it off the top of my head is very short at the moment
09:35:25GodEater_I don't mind asking positive again, but I've no idea what they'd say
09:36:04LinusNinteresting... the rockbox forum is down, but not misticriver
09:36:16GodEater_so unfair ;)
09:37:12GodEater_wonder if it's a difference in the forum software
09:37:18GodEater_they seem to use vbulletin
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10:34:28Zagorwe need more magic
10:37:16markunZagor: what for?
10:37:38Zagorthe magic lowlight committed last night is not good enough
10:37:58Zagormy c200 freezes before entering usb mode
10:38:14*GodEater_ looks for his wans
10:38:14Zagorbefore starting the OF, rather
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10:43:34pixelmaZagor: do you have both applied - low_light's reset to OF and uncommented the USB stack? (just wondering)
10:44:10Zagorno, I downloaded the current build to test his reset
10:45:57Zagorthe reset itself works, but the booting into OF doesn't.
10:46:23Zagorprobably more hw init needed
10:46:38pixelmabut boot into the OF when the device is off still works? I'm hesitating a bit to try
10:46:51Zagoryes, OF after power-off still works fine
10:47:34pixelmaok, I'll try too soom
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10:48:34pixelmahmm... timestamps in the buidtable and in the subversion table on the frontpage differ an hour
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10:51:15Zagortimezones are difficult :)
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10:51:47B4gderwe should all do like venezuela, adjust it as we like
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11:45:52squidinkwhere can I view/enable output from logf() calls?
11:46:48peturmake a build with logf enabled
11:47:03markunsquidink: I think you can dump it to a file in the debug menu
11:47:07peturit gets written to the remote and to disk iirc
11:47:56peturah, might need an action from you to write it to disk
11:49:50squidinkwhere do I enable it? is it DEBUG= in the makefile?
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11:50:07markunsquidink: when you run configure
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11:54:23GodEater_my ipod has decided to power itself on twice now this morning
11:54:52pondlifeAh, the signal from Jobs...
11:55:11pondlifeAll iPods: Rise up and conquer
11:55:13GodEater_of course - why didn't I think of that
11:55:21peturit wants to get upgraded to the latest rockbox ;)
11:55:35GodEater_it can't until the scrollwheel patch gets commited
11:56:29pondlifeMaybe "The Signal" is also causing the Nano problem?
11:56:35GodEater_I'm not going back to that jerkiness again
11:58:30linuxstbDo we know when these mysterious wakeups started?
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11:59:12GodEater_months ago
11:59:17peturmaybe we are programming an rtc alarm without knowing it ;)
11:59:19GodEater_but I couldn't pin it down precisely
11:59:29linuxstbMy suspicion is r12522 from February - "Add wake on alarm support for Ipods. Rename HAVE_ALARM_MOD to HAVE_ALARM_RTC since it's not always a mod. Make Ipod PCF driver keep other flags in OOCC1 that have been set instead of overwriting them."
11:59:33GodEater_I do remember some mornings waking up and finding the ipod completely DEAD
11:59:45GodEater_but I figured I'd just run it down more than I thought the day before
11:59:53GodEater_but now I believe it was coming on in the middle of the night
11:59:58GodEater_and just playing itself into the grave
12:00:05pondlifeZombie iPods, comin' t' getcha
12:01:50linuxstbGodEater_: Are you saying that you're not running the latest Rockbox because of the scrollwheel?
12:02:08GodEater_linuxstb: I'm saying I'm running a custom build of my own recipe using the scrollwheel patch :)
12:02:36GodEater_7738 improves the scrollwheel SO much I'd find it hard to go back
12:02:40linuxstbSo you could test something?
12:02:45GodEater_I could
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12:04:24linuxstbYou could change the function pcf50605_standby_mode() in firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c from the current contents to just "pcf50605_write(OOCC1, GOSTDBY | CHGWAK | EXTONWAK);"
12:05:30GodEater_this would be the rtc code you just mentioned ?
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12:07:18linuxstbSort of. The pcf50605 is the power management chip, and that function puts it into standby mode, and sets the wakeup conditions. That changed with the alarm commit.
12:09:01GodEater_so remove both lines that are currently there, and add your one from above ?
12:09:57linuxstbThe reverse of this change -
12:12:36*GodEater_ compiles
12:13:01*GodEater_ wonders what will constitute a successful test
12:13:37linuxstbIf it never wakes up by itself... ;)
12:13:54GodEater_it goes days sometimes without doing that
12:14:02GodEater_and then, as today, it does it twice in one morning =/
12:14:51linuxstbOK, then you need to stare at your ipod video 24 hours a day for the next month, and let us know what happens.
12:15:06pondlifeNo blinking either
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12:17:14*GodEater_ adds this info to the forum thread
12:18:12linuxstbGodEater_: BTW, getting that function wrong could potentially send your ipod to sleep forever... (well, until you disconnect the battery)
12:18:25GodEater_nooooow you tell me
12:18:37bluebrothereven disabling the reset sequence?
12:19:06GodEater_that would be impressive come to think of it
12:19:55linuxstbbluebrother: According to an IPL dev who did exactly that, yes.
12:20:24bluebrotherwow. And I usually claim that sequence will work always ...
12:20:34GodEater_holding "Play" on boot is the way to boot iPL is it not ?
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12:24:30pondlifeMaybe we should have an option under "Debug Menu (Keep Out!)" that reads "Sleep Forever (Keep Out!)".?
12:24:43linuxstbWith a nice brick icon?
12:24:49pondlifeOf course.
12:25:03pondlifeAnd the manual will say "Never select this option."
12:25:17*B4gder goes back to sleep
12:25:39linuxstbJust call it "Halo 3 (Keep Out!)"
12:25:51*bluebrother notices the typo "Degub scrollweel" :)
12:26:24*pondlife imagines a dirty scrollwheel, with lots of gub attached.
12:27:20GodEater_you mean a scrollweel of course
12:27:25GodEater_not a scrollwheel
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12:29:14B4gderI degub my weel all the time
12:29:17bluebrotherhmm, that screen is too wide for the minis lcd.
12:29:34GodEater_linuxstb: you'll be pleased to hear my ipod turns on and off just fine after your hackery ;)
12:30:55*bluebrother starts to like the bootloader usb mode in the Ipod
12:31:05GodEater_linuxstb: [OT] have you noticed Geoff "PS3 Linux" Levand hangs out in #gentoo-ppc64 ? :)
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12:34:41bluebrotherhmm, the scrollwheel accelleration patch makes the wheel a bit to sensitive imo. Scrolling down exactly one item gets rather hard ...
12:35:43*amiconn_ never observed ipod auto power on
12:36:24*preglow neither
12:36:32amiconn_But then I don't have it resume on startup, so it might in fact power on without me noticing it. Auto power off will shut it down again
12:36:33preglowand i use alarm a lot at times
12:36:46amiconn_...within 3 minutes
12:36:56Soapease in selecting one item / deacceleration on-demand was one of jhMikeS's focuses when he wrote the original patch for the Sansa, and reading flyspray comments one of the larger disagreements (in implementation) he had with the iPod version writer
12:37:00preglowmine sits right next to me all the time while i'm at the computer, so i'm fairly sure i'd notice it, though
12:37:40preglowhave anyone noticed it always wakes up at some specific time? when i think about it, i don't know what values retailos keeps in the alarm regs at default
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12:38:25amiconn_preglow: Are you sitting at your computer 24 hours a day? ;)
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12:38:49B4gderhe's an impressive bot
12:39:07preglowi've been known to sit here for long streaks of time
12:39:12preglowjust saying odds are good i should have seen it
12:39:29preglowbut perhaps the fact that i AM using the alarm makes me not see it
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12:39:40preglowi'd be curious to know if the affected people have ever used the alarm functionality
12:39:51preglowthis might be some issue of uninitialized registers
12:39:52maxkelleypreglow: If you don't sleep, why would you need the alarm? :P
12:39:53GodEater_bluebrother: you can still adjust the sensitivity though
12:40:24bluebrotherin the display menu?
12:40:30GodEater_preglow: my wakes up at entirely random times
12:40:35GodEater_bluebrother: should be yes
12:40:40bluebrotheror is there any other setting I missed?
12:40:42preglowGodEater_: ever used the alarm?
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12:40:59GodEater_preglow: never have no
12:41:00preglowas in even just tried it
12:41:08GodEater_*never* :)
12:41:08preglowthen that might be it, try doing so and see if it happens again
12:41:23preglowi'm fairly sure this is it if the problem is the alarm code at all
12:41:23GodEater_preglow: why would that be it ?
12:41:38preglowbecause the alarm time regs might be left in whatever state they were in
12:41:54preglowand i can't remember if i handle that scenario, i'll check it out now
12:41:56GodEater_so do what? use the alarm, and then turn it off again ?
12:42:02preglowjust set it
12:42:05preglowthen forget it
12:42:10*GodEater_ has just used linuxstb's hack
12:42:12GodEater_will this matter ?
12:42:17preglowi don't know what his hack is
12:42:21GodEater_read up
12:42:41GodEater_<linuxstb> You could change the function pcf50605_standby_mode() in firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c from the current contents to just "pcf50605_write(OOCC1, GOSTDBY | CHGWAK | EXTONWAK);"
12:42:50GodEater_that's what I've just done
12:43:21preglowright, not keeping the old wake values
12:43:30preglowthat might be it too, yes
12:43:41preglowbut i kind of suspect i'm right too
12:44:21preglowi've never seen any other values in OOCC1 anyway, i just put in retaning the old flags in case something unforeseen happened, you don't want to screw around too much with OOCC1
12:44:22GodEater_we won't be able to tell which is correct until I revert back to the old code though I assume ?
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12:44:51GodEater_yeah, linuxstb also said something to that effect AFTER I'd done the build :)
12:45:04preglowthat code is harmless, though
12:45:07preglowbut still
12:45:39preglowbut yeah, my commit is almost certainly the culprit
12:47:05GodEater_if I suggest your fix to others in the forum thread on the subject
12:47:19GodEater_I'm assuming they don't have to wait for the alarm to actually trigger before they turn it off again yes ?
12:47:25preglowyou tried the alarm now, btw?
12:47:32preglowi'd be keen to see the register values
12:47:34GodEater_no - I asked a question above
12:47:49preglowdon't have to wait, no
12:48:10preglowyou skilled enough to cook up code to view the alarm reg contents, btw?
12:48:15preglowor shall i cook up a patch?
12:48:38GodEater_well I've never looked at the alarm register code
12:48:41GodEater_I could do it
12:48:48GodEater_but it'd be quicker if you did though I suspect
12:49:05GodEater_I'm happy to apply whatever patch to my tree
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12:49:34preglowok, i'll cook up a patch now
12:49:39preglowjust gimme a sec
12:49:50*GodEater_ guesses he'd have to hack in debug_menu.c or somesuch
12:50:00preglowprolly the nicest spot for it, yeah
12:50:25*preglow has to find the datasheet first too
12:51:06GodEater_it could just be me
12:51:18GodEater_but it looks like there's pcf506060 stuff in there already
12:51:20GodEater_but only for H300
12:52:46GodEater_hm - no - just a #include for it
12:54:47GodEater_<−− dumbass, I want pcf50605 anyway
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12:55:45preglowwhat ipod've you got? i'll just assume there's space left at the bottom of view i/o ports
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12:57:07GodEater_should be - I have the 5.5G 80GB
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12:57:32GodEater_yeah - there's plenty of space
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13:00:17GodEater_bluebrother: WRT to the ipod scrollwheel patch, I find moving just one item is easiest by just rolling my thumb a little to the left or right rather than actually sliding it. This is what I used to do on the OF too - so I guess it doesn't bother me.
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13:03:51squidinkwhat does a Stkov power panic likely refer to?
13:04:13GodEater_a stack overflow in the power handling ?
13:05:25preglowGodEater_: kiedoke, patch coming up
13:05:40squidinkthat might be from too many local variables, no?
13:05:43GodEater_pastebin, or tracker ?
13:06:12linuxstbsquidink: It could either be the power thread using too much stack, or something else in Rockbox overwriting the power thread's stack.
13:06:24preglowGodEater_: view i/o ports should have a Wake: entry now, just give me those numbers
13:08:03GodEater_preglow: build now
13:08:28*GodEater_ had to revert the debug_scrollwheel patch
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13:10:12GodEater_bloody linux's delayed write behaviour is starting to annoy me
13:10:20preglowit's been pissing me off for years
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13:10:37preglowi can do a bloody copy to the nano, wait for half an hour, try to unplug and THEN linux decides to flush for a minute
13:10:59preglowdelayed is ok, but it should start bloody writing as soon as possible
13:11:05GodEater_Wake: 48 31 10 7 27 9 7
13:11:13preglowyeah, that looks interesting...
13:11:14GodEater_this is without going near the alarm settings yet
13:11:20preglowdon't do that
13:11:25preglowi'll see if i can predict the next wakeup
13:11:28preglowif i can, that's surely the bug
13:12:21GodEater_ah damn - sorry - looked away from the screen
13:12:29GodEater_already fiddled with the alarm :(
13:12:34preglowoh well
13:13:05Zagorpreglow: add sync,dirsync to your mount options
13:13:22preglowZagor: will that slow down writing as well or just flush when possible?
13:13:27Zagoractually sync is enough
13:13:41Zagorit will bypass the buffer
13:13:43bluebrotherusing sync on a flash drive might not be a good idea though
13:13:52preglowZagor: but i don't want that, writing will be dog slow then
13:13:53Zagoror if it actually does an immediate flush, I'm not sure
13:14:19preglowi want it to buffer, but flush the buffer when nothing else is happening
13:14:35Zagorwhy not just unmount it?
13:14:39bluebrotherif you use sync it will write every update to the FAT immediately which could decrease the lifetime of the flash noticably
13:14:54preglowZagor: nice to leave the nano charging after writing, for example
13:14:56B4gderwell, 100000 writes is a minimum these days...
13:15:02bluebrotherjust call sync manually
13:15:09Zagorpreglow: surely it will charge even when unmounted?
13:15:15preglowZagor: true
13:15:29*linuxstb normally leaves his ipod attached, but unmounted, and it charges
13:15:33preglowi just don't get the behaviour of not flushing when nothing is happening
13:15:35preglowit's kinda breaindead
13:15:54bluebrothertime for lunch ...
13:15:55Zagorpreglow: it's efficient
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13:16:37Zagorif the file system is still mounted, odds are you will write to it again. so why flush?
13:16:41GodEater_I guess it's difficult to know when "nothing is happening"
13:16:42preglowZagor: well, sure, i save some extra cpu cycles while already idling
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13:17:21tumui think the flushing is configurable in /proc
13:17:24preglowjust annoys me, i would have tried to keep memory flushed if i could so no delays would occur if i needed that memory, like when starting another prorgram
13:17:34preglowright now, linux would have to bloody flush the buffer to my nano, then start allocating the mem
13:17:50preglowan altogether slow procedure
13:17:59Zagorpreglow: nah, it'd rather swap stuff out to disk instead
13:18:10preglowyeah, another not too efficient procedure
13:18:21*GodEater_ goes off to lunch
13:18:22preglowbetter to flush stuff when nothing happens
13:18:41Zagorright. but that's a border-line exception. surely you don't want to optimise borderline cases at the expense of normal usage?
13:18:54preglow*shrug*, i see this as pretty normal usage
13:19:02Zagor"when nothing happens" is only true in each very instant. the next could be very busy.
13:19:08preglowat least i'm annoyed by it all the time during normal usage
13:19:19Zagorhow do you notice it?
13:19:38preglowwhen i need to wait for ages while stuff flushes?
13:19:45B4gderI hear people complain about this, but I've never ever felt it being a problem
13:19:59B4gderpossibly because i umount much earlier
13:20:00squidinkwhere can I find data about what happened in a stkov?
13:20:21B4gdersquidink: nowhere really, you need to read code and research
13:20:34B4gderstkov is a stack overflow so something broke the stack
13:20:38preglowusage patterns i guess, it never happens in windows, though
13:20:44preglowbut that's also slightly slower at actually writing
13:21:02Zagorwindows uses sync writing for removable devices
13:21:07squidinkB4dger: Is there a stack trace or anything of the sort?
13:21:15B4gdersquidink: nope
13:21:20preglowZagor: it has to do _some_ kind of buffering, or it'd be even slower
13:21:42preglowsome programs in windows seems to override it and are _very_ slow as a result
13:21:43preglowlike winrar
13:22:07Zagorjust curious: are you using usb 1.1?
13:22:12tumuw2k buffers for removables
13:22:24preglowZagor: doesn't matter much for nano anyway :P
13:22:30Zagorah, nano is slow. ok
13:22:42squidinkIs there any way to view the logf buffer while the thing's running, without a remote?
13:22:48preglowZagor: yeah, very much so. this isn't much of a problem for my hd devices
13:22:58Zagortumu: not the w2k on my wife's computer
13:23:26preglowanywho, i don't know where the hell i specify mount options for automount stuff here anyway :)
13:23:32squidinklike a split-screen kind of arrangement?
13:23:34peturZagor: it is a setting
13:23:56Zagorpetur: yeah, but I'm pretty sure I (nor she) haven't changed anything
13:24:02linuxstbpreglow: I would just disable automounting and mount/umount as needed...
13:24:07tumuZagor, that's weird, mine has always buffered and because of that, it complains if removables are removed without ejecting them
13:24:12preglowlinuxstb: oh no i won't
13:24:17preglowi get easily annoyed at that
13:24:24linuxstbpreglow: I think of mounting an external disk the same as being root - just do it when you need it
13:24:25preglowi like automounting
13:24:38Zagortumu: oh, complains it does. but the settings still say "no cache" or whatever it's called
13:24:47preglowthe less typing i need to do, the better
13:24:52linuxstbpreglow: But then you lose control, and have the problem you're having now...
13:25:20preglowlinuxstb: sync as a mount option isn't an option anyway
13:25:22linuxstbpreglow: Script it - "mount /ipod" isn't hard, but you could just call it "i"...
13:25:37preglowi'm on ubuntu so i'd have to do "sudo i" :P
13:25:47linuxstbNo, add "user" to /etc/fstab
13:26:27preglowbut like i said, sync as a mount option is very slow
13:26:52preglowi like the buffering, i just wish it flushed from time to time, and i believe that's moving far into kernel configuration territory
13:27:03Zagorpreglow: add 'sync' to your crontab ;)
13:27:37preglowGodEater_: anyway, according to these values, your ipod shouldn't be waking very often
13:28:27preglowGodEater_: it should wake around 10:31:48, 27.9.2007, familiar date, that...
13:28:38*preglow checks if he's reading the right bloody registers
13:28:47preglowand indeed he is
13:29:26preglowGodEater_: it didn't happen to wake around then, did it? :V
13:30:01linuxstbpreglow: I think he's at lunch, but he posted a message at about 10.50 saying his ipod woke twice this morning....
13:30:26preglowlinuxstb: yeah, just spamming him for when he comes back, i might need to go soon
13:31:17linuxstbSo was the alarm wake-up flag being set as well?
13:32:21preglowdidn't check that, i just assumed it was if this was the problem
13:32:30preglowanyway, how the hell did those values end up in those regs?
13:32:44preglowrockbox doesn't have the code to do that, it always writes constant values to the last four of them
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13:32:50preglowand always 0 to the seconds register
13:33:11linuxstbMaybe the OF sets it?
13:33:36preglowlinuxstb: do all these people use of lots, then?
13:33:44preglowsome of them said they never do
13:34:09linuxstbpreglow: No idea... It could even be the bootloader (although I can't imagine why...)
13:34:23preglowi've never had the bootloader do anything of the kind, that's for sure
13:34:31preglowand after disassembling, i'm quite sure it never even touched those regs
13:34:58linuxstbMaybe it was something added in more recent Nano/5g firmwares...
13:35:38preglowlord knows why, though
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13:36:51linuxstbBut anyway, would the fix be to always set the alarm registers in the standby function?
13:37:07linuxstbor is there somewhere else we could always do it?
13:37:33preglowi don't really know what to do, i guess we could check if wake on alarm is enabled, then don't touch them
13:37:43preglowbut if it isn't, clear them to default so it'll never wake
13:37:52preglowi think the bl always enables wake on alarm
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13:47:33preglowis there any way of adding a setting such that it doesn't really get a menu entry, but can be changed in theme files?
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13:51:33pixelmathat "horizontal scroll" once did and icons do too
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13:52:18linuxstbpreglow: A theme file is just treated as any other .cfg afaik.
13:54:13preglowat least i think that's the way settings like bar gradient should be set, rockbox will end up an even bigger settings hell than it is if we add menu settings for stuff like this
13:54:26*B4gder agrees
13:55:28preglowthere probably already are settings like this in the menus somewhere that i think should be removed and confined to theme files
13:55:31peturotoh, I hate hidden settings like firefox has for example
13:55:52pondlifeI'd prefer if all options were available in menus to be honest..
13:56:01preglowthey're not really hidden, are they. if you're into customising themes, then theme files are a natural place to look for options
13:56:37preglowi just really think rockbox is suffering from tangled menus at the moment, and it won't get any better if we add more
13:56:41peturthen don't call them settings
13:57:02*preglow doesn't use firefox much :>
13:57:26pondlifeWhat options are there? Isn't it just a 3rd selector bar type?
13:57:26preglowtoo clunky
13:57:41pixelmaI hated it for the horizontal scroll setting on the Ondio when it still interfered with the context menu, there was no way turning it off without connecting to the computer
13:57:50*pondlife should look at the patch if there's bloat coming in.
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14:00:11Nico_Ppreglow: what do you use ? opera ?
14:00:25preglowNico_P: yeah
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14:00:43preglowit's not free software, but it is nice
14:01:07preglowand doesn't feel like a ten ton truck
14:02:00preglowanyway, i like the gradient thing, i just don't want it cluttering up our menus even more
14:02:10Nico_Ppreglow: I agree, firefox feels huge sometimes
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14:02:10preglowi'm all for eye candy at this point, rockbox needs more of it
14:02:37Nico_Ppondlife: it adds two new selector types (gradient and solid colour), and options to set the colours (3 :\)
14:03:05pondlife3 colours?
14:03:11preglowthree settings
14:03:20Nico_Pgradient start, gradient end and text
14:03:39preglowall valid settings, but i don't want them in our menus
14:03:47Nico_Pgradient start is the one used when the solid coulour selector is chosen
14:03:49pondlifeWhy a different text colour, could that not just use the standard text?
14:04:11Nico_Ppondlife: that would limit things a lot IMHO
14:04:14preglowyeah, agree
14:04:44*pondlife is happy with less text colours... just colourful icons.
14:04:50pondlifeSo don't worry about me.
14:04:55pondlifeJust keep the bloat down, mmkay.
14:04:56preglowi also want nicer icons
14:05:03preglownicer fonts
14:05:11preglowwhen it comes to visuals, nicer everything :>
14:05:14Nico_Ppreglow: I agree, we need a nice set of icons buildtin
14:05:24preglowrockbox isn't really shining on the newer targets at the moment
14:05:39preglownice and usable, but kind of ugly :P
14:05:39pondlifeMore colours in the text isn't nicer looking IMHO. But that is of course 100% subjective.
14:05:57preglowpondlife: be happy there's not a text colour gradient too :D
14:06:27pondlifeThis way lies a ten ton truck :)
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14:07:06preglowlet's just code rockbox in javascript
14:08:21Nico_Ppreglow: is there an equivalent to adblock for opera ?
14:08:42Zagoryeah, it's builtin
14:08:58Nico_Poh, "blcoked content", right ?
14:09:45preglowbuiltin and coded in nice, shiny c++
14:09:55preglowwhich in the end i suspect is what makes it not feel like a ten ton truck
14:10:12B4gderas opposed to what you mean?
14:10:34preglowlayers upon layer of javascript
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14:10:38Zagorpreglow: I'd rather say it's surprising it's as nimble as it is, for a c++ app...
14:10:50preglowZagor: yeah, that too :P
14:11:01B4gderfirefox isn't really layers of javascript but layers of xml
14:11:20preglowB4gder: might be, but that surely isn't any better, heh
14:11:37preglowZagor: c++ doesn't have to result in clunky big things, but you do need to be careful
14:11:50preglowand i suspect the opera guys are, being heavily involved in the embedded market
14:12:14Zagoroh I know. a chainsaw doesn't have to result in loss of blood either...
14:12:18B4gderI like how opera stopped using qt for embedded... :-)
14:12:18preglowstay away from the templates, mkay
14:12:22preglowB4gder: oh?
14:12:37B4gderI bet opera cut off 75% of their size
14:12:52B4gderthey're directfb embedded
14:13:38B4gder... I put one up on a sh4 linux earlier this year
14:14:10B4gderbrowsing on a TV really never is fun ;-)
14:14:41B4gderunless hd perhaps
14:14:55Zagorbeats using a phone
14:15:07preglowby a smallish margin
14:15:11preglowtried using opera on the wii
14:15:14preglowwas ok, but not superb
14:15:21B4gderyeah, TV:s tend to be blurrier than a phone
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14:21:51preglowi wonder why nano and 5g needs two register writes for backlight control
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14:25:36Nico_Pso what should I do with the gradient patch... remove the settings and leave the users to edit cfg files ?
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14:26:32linuxstbThinking about theme settings, what do people think about a theme/wps editor plugin as a SoC 2008 project?
14:26:35B4gderI think: leave the setting in for now and let's try it out, and possibly make it cfg only later
14:26:39preglowlinuxstb: sounds stellar
14:26:52preglowi agree with bagder, but i really think we shouldn't just forget this
14:27:16Nico_Plinuxstb: good idea, yes
14:27:46Nico_Pmaybe also a WYSIWYG WPS editor app ? :)
14:28:05Nico_PB4gder: ok, I think I'll do a bit of polishing and then commit
14:28:09preglowlinuxstb: you know if the pcf pwm generator is used for backlight on ipods at all?
14:28:34ZagorI think a wps editor would probably be even more appreciated than a theme editor
14:28:46Zagoroh, you said both :)
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14:29:58Zagorhowever I think it would be better to make a qt app rather than a plugin.
14:30:15preglowwould make it easier to use, that's for sure
14:30:16*GodEater_ is back from lunch
14:30:17Zagorif qt is the preferred win+lin gui toolkit
14:30:26preglowGodEater_: i spammed you some text, check it out
14:30:34GodEater_I saw
14:30:44GodEater_hard to tell if it woke up then - it was already on
14:30:56preglowi still wonder how the hell the alarm got set to that
14:30:59preglowyou use retailos at all?
14:31:07GodEater_to charge in sometimes
14:31:10GodEater_but otherwise no
14:31:28GodEater_but I leave the hold switch on all the time when it's off now
14:31:32GodEater_so that if it DOES power up
14:31:38GodEater_it boots into OF
14:31:45GodEater_and powers down again, instead of killing the battery
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14:33:49preglowthe ipod was set to wake at about the time
14:34:07preglowlinuxstb's change probably will fix this
14:34:27*GodEater_ needs to run linuxstb's fix back in
14:34:38preglowi have absolutely no idea why your ipod was set to wake then
14:34:41GodEater_I applied your patch to a clean branch
14:34:47preglowrockbox isn't capable of setting those regs to those values
14:34:54GodEater_curious then
14:35:10GodEater_I could boot back into OF, and then back into RB to see if they change again ?
14:35:20preglowwould be fun
14:35:29*GodEater_ does so
14:36:17linuxstbpreglow: No, I don't know anything about backlights.
14:36:32preglowfor some reason, i'm itching to relieve rockbox of having to do the pwm
14:36:47GodEater_hmm - no - looks to be 0 30 10 7 3F 1F 99 now
14:36:51preglowmaybe i should start blindly writing to the pwm regs and see what happens
14:37:14preglowGodEater_: that looks like rockbox values, set to wake at 10:30
14:37:31GodEater_yeah - that's what I set the wake up to just after you'd told me not to =/
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14:38:11preglowanyway, i propose we just forget about why the hell the alarm is told to wake
14:38:15preglowand apply linuxstb's patch
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14:39:51preglowi'm quite sure that'll fix this issue
14:41:41*GodEater_ reapplies the patch
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14:42:19TMMwell, just ordered another iaudio 7
14:42:43B4gderfrom another place or a smaller one?
14:43:09preglowand really, i can't see any point in retaining any of the other values at all
14:43:13GodEater_what happened to the first one ?
14:43:16preglowso let's just save the bytes the readback costs us
14:43:47*Nico_P thinks a Qt WPS designer is a great SoC idea
14:44:03TMMB4gder, other place
14:44:03preglowor would we want to use the watchdog one day? :P
14:44:15TMMB4gder, they swore blind that they would have it in my hands tomorrow or monday
14:44:15Nico_Pa theme config editor plugin sounds a little small for a SoC
14:44:59preglowi don't get why we would want to edit themes on target anyway, sounds cumbersome
14:45:11GodEater_Nico_P: a little small ? We're still waiting on MoB! ;)
14:45:20Zagorwhat's the difference btwn iaudio 6 and 7?
14:45:29GodEater_go faster stripes
14:45:33Nico_PGodEater_: hehe :)
14:45:33preglowunless i manage to remove all theme settings from menus, that is :P
14:46:07B4gderZagor: iaudio 6 is a hdd
14:46:13B4gderiaudio 7 is flash
14:46:38Zagorheh, but the 6 has smaller capacity than the 7...
14:46:47B4gderyeah. 0.85 inch
14:47:02B4gderI guess those never took off
14:48:45Zagoryay, it's got gradient text!
14:49:25Zagoror maybe my eyes are fooling me
14:49:34B4gderI wonder if their "260000 colors" are the same 18bit the x5 has...
14:49:49Zagor <−− anyone else think the 107.07 text is faded? (no cheating)
14:50:52GodEater_define cheating
14:51:05preglowmy, what an ugly ui
14:51:08preglowhow old is this dap?
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14:51:21GodEater_brand new
14:51:29ZagorIt looks like the top of the chars is brighter cyan than the bottom
14:51:37|Rain|hooray for optical illusions
14:51:38Zagorbut it's very slight, so could be an illusion
14:51:48preglowoh, the tuner
14:52:11Nico_PZagor: in the tuner I agree
14:52:12preglowit's definitely real
14:52:20|Rain|the illusion is less pronounced if you cover the 'ch24' and 'preset' with your finger
14:52:23pregloweven dithered
14:52:42B4gderbut it is still there if you zoom 800%
14:52:46B4gderits not an illusion
14:53:27Zagortop is 08fafb, bottom is 00cafc
14:53:30B4gderathough the pics might've been fotopgraphed or something
14:53:31*Zagor cheated
14:53:32|Rain|I did zoom in... there might be a really slight gradiant there, but looking at the actual colors, I'm still not sure
14:53:51B4gderyes fotopgraphed is a word ;-P
14:53:56preglowthe colours are different, no doubt
14:53:59preglowno illusion
14:54:06preglowwhy would it be an illusion, btw? :P
14:54:18Zagoroddly small gradient
14:54:32|Rain|well, it's a jpeg, so there's a little bit of variation from compression artifacts, but if look at the colors on the 1 (since it's a nice straight line) you can tell it definitely is there
14:54:34B4gder"Enhanced Integrated Navigator"
14:54:40B4gderwhat is that?
14:54:50preglow|Rain|: in that case it still wouldn't be an illusion, it would be compression artifacts
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14:55:11GodEater_B4gder: it's marketing speak for "not much"
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14:55:56Nico_Ppreglow: you're probably the one who can tell me that... how hard/cpu intensive would a simple vis plugin/wps widget be ? something like the peakmeter but prettier and with a few freqs
14:56:47GodEater_preglow: I think it would be worth commiting your lollerskates patch to get a better feel for people's ipod Wake up registers
14:57:04B4gder160x128 sounds like a common resolution
14:57:26preglowGodEater_: but what good would it be?
14:57:42GodEater_well it would show you a bigger sample set of weird register values ?
14:57:47GodEater_unless you're not bothered anymore
14:58:01preglowNico_P: it depends so incredibly much on what you want to do. for a few freqs you'd need to do freq splitting, which means either filtering or ffts, none of which are cheap, and both of which will be more expensive than the peak meter
14:58:17preglowGodEater_: i don't really care since i don't know where they come from, and can't do anything about them anyway
14:58:27GodEater_fair enough then
14:58:46GodEater_are you going to commit linuxstb's patch instead then ?
14:58:59preglowGodEater_: i'm 99.99% percent certain rockbox isn't the origin since the only values it writes to four of those regs are constant
14:59:07preglowand that means i can't do anything about it and need to adapt in other ways
14:59:15preglowyeah, i'm kinda thinking that's the way to go about it
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14:59:25preglowjust waiting a bit for some answers from the forum first
14:59:27GodEater_I shall leave it in your capable mits then
14:59:49preglowif none of them have using the alarm before, i'll just conclude it's retailos or the bootloader doing something cracky
14:59:58preglowif some of them have, i'll need to think a bit more about it
15:00:01Nico_Ppreglow: well ideally it'd be something like what you can see in most PC audio players (I use amarok and there's a nice one), but of course with less freqs (maybe 4 or 5)... do you think the gigabeat would be capable of it ?
15:00:10preglowNico_P: easily
15:00:50preglowand having more freqs than that is no stress either, you still need to calculate all of them
15:00:56Nico_Pwell it could be a nice thing to have for the powerful targets we have... what would be required ? simple access to the PCM data ?
15:00:58preglowjust turns into a display question
15:01:36preglowtwo solutions, you could just split the whole audio data into several bands with eq like filters and postprocess to find peak, but as soon as you start adding more and more bands, a simple fft is the best
15:01:44preglowand fft will find the entire frequency spectrum of the current audio frame
15:01:50preglowso you just display the parts of that you want
15:02:17Nico_Pprobably better then
15:02:30Nico_Pwhat does the oscilloscope plugin do ? read the current frame and find the peak ?
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15:03:03preglowsomething like that
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15:03:26preglowi'm planning to have a look at fft algos soon, but we already have some in a couple of codecs, i think
15:04:04Nico_Pso oscilloscope and vu meter would be good starts... I'll probably try to have a quick look
15:04:08Nico_Pjust to get an idea
15:04:24preglowyou should find some spectrum view vis source code to look at too
15:04:30preglowi don't know too much about the specific
15:04:42preglowbut more importantly, you should look at the getting mob commited :> :>
15:04:49pondlifeYes :)
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15:05:05preglowa couple of us are eagerly awaiting it
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15:05:58Nico_PI've been thinking that it might be faster to just start rewriting the playback code :\
15:06:39preglowand i think you'll find a couple of other people agreeing, but i have no idea
15:06:46pondlifeI liked the idea of doing buffering into MAS playback first...
15:07:07pondlifeBut I don't have an Archos any more :(
15:07:09GodEater_seems a safer way to start
15:07:12Nico_Ppondlife: me too, but without on of these targets to test on and a functional sim, I'm kinda blocked
15:07:16GodEater_but I also am archosless
15:07:28GodEater_that does make life tricky
15:07:56GodEater_was playback originally written to a spec, or did it just develop organically ?
15:07:57Nico_PI'd need to implement audio playback in the sim first :)
15:08:07pondlifespec??? ;)
15:08:12Nico_PSWCODEC playback was a big hack IIRC
15:08:35pondlifeYep, followed by further hacks.
15:08:58preglowthen hacked upon by people who tend to vanish
15:09:13Nico_Pmaybe I should just start from scratch :(
15:09:19B4gderit's like the Bermuda triangle, people vanish in there!
15:09:20pondlifelostlogic had started a rewrite but it got the better of him, apparently.
15:09:31GodEater_I think a re-write seems the best way to proceed
15:09:37Nico_Phe even tried to implement MoB
15:09:37preglownah, i think he got along nicely, but he just stopped coding
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15:09:43GodEater_otherwise you're pulling cards from the base of a house of cards
15:09:50pondlifeNico_P: The buffering part is generally the worst bit IMHO.
15:10:00pondlifeSo you've at least got that sorted.
15:10:11*GodEater_ admires pondlife's confidence
15:10:22GodEater_for someone who's not doing any of it ;)
15:10:24*pondlife is never confident
15:10:45Nico_Ppondlife: I think so too, but adapting that part is very confusing... I could rewrite the rest around the buffering while trying to keep in mind how it was done
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15:13:09markunwho's "Stepan Moskovchenko"?
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15:14:00TMMZagor, from my research, the iaudio6 and 7 appear to be the exact same hardware, minus/plus disk/nand
15:14:08preglowmarkun: stevenm ?
15:14:11B4gdermarkun: stevenm
15:14:16TMMZagor, but, I'll know that for certain tomorrow or monday :)
15:14:26B4gderthey have different screens it seems
15:14:30ZagorTMM: yeah, found some photos. looks very much the same.
15:14:37markunpreglow, B4gder: doesn't ring a bell
15:14:53TMMZagor, yep
15:16:59preglowmarkun: hangaround a couple of years ago, he still drops by
15:17:01preglowmarkun: why?
15:17:18nlsNico_P: I _think_ many of the hacks in the current playback code were introduced to fix things that were not thought about when creating it so I would suggest some serious planning before you start rewriting it all
15:17:32preglownls: any comments on the vorbis patches?
15:17:48nlspreglow: they give a nice speedup :-)
15:17:57preglowyou didn't notice anything else? tried many files?
15:18:08Nico_Pnls: I agree
15:18:18Nico_Pat least the buffering part was planned
15:18:26markunpreglow: I wonder why he had to commit his unfinished plugin, and why he did it in the same commit with changes to the midi plugin
15:18:36nlsI listened to an album or so yesterday and didn't notice any bugs but I can do more testing
15:18:51preglowmarkun: which unfinished plugin?
15:19:44preglowwell, he does ask
15:19:48pregloware we against half-baked plugs?
15:19:52markunhe could have asked in here
15:19:58Nico_Pmarkun: I assume his MIDI changes were intended for the beatbox plugin
15:20:04markunNico_P: ah
15:20:23preglowmarkun: still, he didn't. now, do we have a stance on that at all?
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15:21:19*Nico_P bbs
15:21:49markunpreglow: if more than one person is working on something I think it's a good idea to commit it, even if not working
15:22:00preglowif you ask me, there are plenty of plugs that are a bit half-baked in svn
15:22:07markuntrue :)
15:22:08amiconn_Nico_P: Oscilloscope and vu_meter do nothing different than what the peakmeter does, they just present the data in a different way
15:22:15preglowmarkun: i kinda think it's a good idea to commit it straight off anyway
15:22:20preglowmarkun: but i do see your point, of course
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15:24:08nlsmarkun: actually he did ask in here but I don't think anyone answered him...
15:24:30markunnls: I'll just shut up :)
15:24:47preglownls: you don't have to do more testing, just wondering. i'll do some of my own before commiting anyway
15:25:09preglowor, he could just commit them himself, i guess, he is able to
15:25:32nlspreglow: I will test a bit more anyway :-)
15:25:37preglowme too
15:26:49peturiirc, stevenm did come here and ask about committing it
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15:27:14*petur slower than nls
15:28:29peturhe did say that editing worked, just not load and save... so why not enable it and say that load/save come later
15:31:02TMMif they are indeed the same hardware, then the only difference between an iaudio 6 and 7 port would be an ide and a nand driver
15:31:06TMMwhich would be good :)
15:31:12TMMtwo targets with one stone :P
15:31:31peturstone? brick?
15:32:05*amiconn_ doesn't like where daps are moving feature wise nowadays
15:32:17TMMpetur, I really want to avoid that :P
15:32:21TMMamiconn, how's that?
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15:33:56preglowamiconn_: where would you rather they move?
15:34:01amiconn_About the only hdd based dap that's widely available is the ipod (video and classic). Oterwise, mostly flash based thingies with tiny storage, annoying colour screens and touch control
15:34:34TMMamiconn, well, the flash based players are now up to 16Gb
15:34:41preglowcolour screens are a-ok, but yeah, hd alternatives shouldn't vanish, i'll agree with that
15:34:42TMMamiconn, which is what I bought
15:35:00krazykitamiconn_, i feel the same way :-/
15:35:01*amiconn_ wants at least 80GB, more == better
15:35:16TMMamiconn, I'd have preferred a hdd based player, preferably the iaudio x5l, but those aren't available anymore
15:35:17*petur too
15:36:06B4gderthe latest iaudio 6 firmware is 6.8MB while the latest iaudio 7 one is 1.5MB !
15:36:09amiconn_E.g. this ainol thing mentioned y'day - it's more a pmp (and even more), but 4GB flash? For video???
15:36:39B4gderamiconn: I guess they shoot for the games section
15:36:50B4gderand for games from the 90s, 4GB fits many games
15:36:51amiconn_At least it's button controlled (a big pro compared to several other targets)
15:37:08TMMamiconn, now I'll have to make a new target :)
15:37:47TMMB4gder, that much difference? wow... I never bothered to check, probably a bit more difference than just an IDE driver then
15:38:27TMMB4gder, however, the firmware files themselves DO seem to indicate that they are both based on a telechips erm.. chip
15:39:55TMMB4gder, perhaps the 3L then, that thing does a lot more for you than the TCC771 does
15:40:02B4gderrunning strings on both show lots of similarities
15:40:21nlsso what would cause a "I0B: Line-F" on coldfire?
15:40:31TMMB4gder, just looking at the header will tell you that they are both TCC firmware images ;)
15:41:12B4gderyes I know
15:41:18B4gdernot to mention all the path names in the image
15:41:22amiconn_nls: Most probably the PC running away into data. Line-F is a special kind of "defined undefined instruction"
15:41:22B4gderD:\work\PD\DMP77X-060119\Project\JDRM\TCC77x_JDRM_ADS_V114\modular.c line 528
15:41:44B4gderthe _same_ path names in both firmwares
15:42:33squidinkhow do I add an option to the settings menu?
15:42:45ZagorI think they are identical. why waste money remaking perfectly good boards? I bet some i7 boards even say iaudio6
15:42:58petursquidink: learn to use macro's, lots of them ;)
15:43:05Zagornah, scratch the last one. they do need to make new boards.
15:43:09nlsamiconn_: I got it when I tried to run the midiplay plugin with profiling enabled, any ideas where to look?
15:43:15squidinkpetur: yikes
15:43:26Zagorbut if they didn't use the 3 in the 6, they're not likely to have replaced the 1 on the 7.
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15:44:27petursquidink: just copy and paste another setting
15:44:31B4gderwell, the i6 has host usb, the i7 doesn't
15:44:47B4gderthe i6 has OLED lcd, the i7 has TFT
15:44:55B4gderit says so
15:45:04Zagorok, so they are a bit more different than I thought
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15:46:58squidinkpetur: yeah, am working on that. Was looking for a shortcut :)
15:47:08Zagorheh, it's got a reset button. that's not something you see on every mp3 player.
15:48:11Zagori6 vs i7:
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15:48:35amiconn_B4gder: OLED lcd??
15:48:44B4gderwell, oled screen
15:48:44Jmax_has the sandisk s280 been known to work with rockbox? there seems to be no information regarding this model on the wiki
15:48:56Jmax_the e2xx models do, however
15:49:26B4gderJmax_: players not mentioned are not supported
15:49:51B4gders200 doesn't seem to exist on sandisk's site
15:50:18B4gderwell, no model is mentioned starting with s2
15:51:00TMMB4gder, well, that's encouraging, they used the same SDK for both players then :) perhaps one image is stripped and the other isn't?
15:51:18B4gderyes, something like that
15:51:24B4gderthe headers are clearly different though
15:51:28ZagorJmax_: does it really say s280 on the back of your player?
15:51:29B4gderthat ver: thing
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15:51:56Jmax_oh i misread! it's an e280
15:52:06ZagorI thought so...
15:53:38Jmax_or does anyone have a recommendation for an <= 250 USD player with >= 8 GB space, that is not poorly manufactured?
15:53:54Jmax_i don't need video or any fancy stuff like that
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15:54:05B4gderZagor: i7 is a TCC771L too =>
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15:54:33Zagorah, you beat me to it. I was just scanning through their i7 articles...
15:54:41B4gderJmax_: I'd say the sansa e280 is a fine match then
15:54:44|Rain|Jmax_: a friend of mine has rockbox on an e280 last night, and I should have an e280 arriving today
15:54:59|Rain|so yes, it works
15:54:59B4gderPCF50606 too
15:55:13Jmax_B4gder: thank you sir
15:55:20Jmax_|Rain|: ok :) thanks
15:56:34Zagorwell, clearly a different board
15:57:32B4gderdarnit, Iaudio7Info is not a valid wiki word
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15:57:58squidinkin the _SETTING macros, what is cb?
15:58:19ZagorPhilips TEA5767 tuner
15:58:26B4gderyes, lots of fine matches
15:58:35peturB4gder: wtwiki needs two capitalized words before a number can come
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15:59:23B4gderbut its hard to get that with this word
15:59:39peturCowonIaudio7Info ?
15:59:48B4gderoh yeah I guess
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16:02:59preglowwhat the hell
16:03:02preglowi left my nano idling
16:03:11preglowand now i got a prefetch abort at 0xdeadbeee
16:03:21B4gderok, I started it now =>
16:05:18B4gderthose pics aren't crystal clear
16:05:52B4gderI googled for LW052A was first hit ;-)
16:07:03B4gderseems at least three chips are found in the h300 models
16:07:34squidinkis it possible/easy/desirable to access global_settings from functions in the firmware/ directory?
16:07:51Zagorsquidink: no
16:08:03squidinkZagor: no to which one?
16:08:16Zagorevery one. global_settings is an apps thing.
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16:08:34squidinkWhere do I set settings which affect firmware?
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16:08:49Zagorsuch as?
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16:09:25finksquidink: he-he, I think it's possible and easy, but not desirable at all
16:09:59Zagorsorry, gotta run
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16:10:20squidinkI've made some functions which sync the rockbox's clock to the PCs clock when you plug it in. I want to put an on/off switch, but it needs to be in firmware/usb.c
16:10:38squidinkwhich can't easily access settings.h
16:11:18squidinkThough usb charging mode is done through settings.h, but doesn't go through global_settings, but uses a callback
16:11:40squidinkAny ideas anyone?
16:12:19finksquidink: I think the firmware code is controlled by the app code. I.e. you should add a parameter to the fw func and pass the value from the app. My blind guess.
16:12:40finkCallback being a sort of parameter
16:14:37squidinkfink: the whole usb code runs as a thread, so it's not quite that easy.
16:14:48linuxstbsquidink: How is your code working? It's talking over USB?
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16:16:24squidinkbefore usb mode is enabled, rockbox creates a file. Then when the computer is connected it uses autorun functionality to create another file. When usb is disconnected, the modification times of the two files are compared, an offset calculated, and correct time worked out.
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16:18:47finksquidink: then you have to somehow inject a callback to that thread. The callback would then access the settings.
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16:20:50linuxstbsquidink: Couldn't you just do the same as the check_bootfile() function in apps/screens.c ?
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16:27:19squidinklinuxstb: I see; that might work... I assume the SYS_USB_CONNECTED event happen before the disk is unmounted? And SYS_USB_DISCONNECTED happens once the disk is mounted again?
16:29:06linuxstbsquidink: I'm not sure exactly how the messages work, but IIUC, the check_bootfile() function reads information from the disk before entering usb mode, and reads it again after leaving usb mode, and compares. Almost exactly what you're doing.
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16:30:09peturlinuxstb: correct
16:30:19squidinkoh yeah I see
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16:31:43squidinkshould I move the functions I have into apps/misc.c or create a new file?
16:32:11peturI'd use misc.c if it isn't too much
16:32:51peturbtw, using autorun will be windows only, right?
16:33:33*petur has autorun disabled on hix windows machines
16:33:34squidinkpetur: ubuntu has autorun capability on the desktop; though I think you could do it with HAL for just about any linux
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16:34:38Nico_Pis the LCD display on the H300 still unknown ?
16:37:43amiconn_The lcd panel is unknown (but not very important either), the controller is long known
16:38:34nlshmm, this profile_reader script doesn't work very well, or I'm doing something wrong but there's next to no documentation either
16:40:04*amiconn_ always disables autorun on windows, for all devices
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17:00:36Nico_Ppreglow: what do you think of dynamic menu items for the gradient patch ?
17:01:07Nico_Pi.e. if you choose the "invert" or "pointer" types, no solour settings appear
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17:10:38preglowNico_P: would be better than always having them there, but also adds more code and makes manual work harder
17:10:46preglowi really just want the settings in config files, not menu at all
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17:15:39Nico_Phmm it's not very satisfactory anyway, as it only takes effect once the menu has been exited
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17:17:53linuxstbNico_P: I think I would prefer them to always be there - other settings are similar, such as EQ settings which are there, even if EQ is off. (IIRC)
17:18:19preglowyeah, i'd go for that as well
17:18:25preglowjust simpler, overall
17:18:30Nico_Pindeed :
17:18:33preglowi don't know of many programs that do menus that way
17:19:49Nico_Pso can I commit with the settings for now and maybe remove them afterwards ?
17:20:01LloreanHonestly, new options automagically appearing is something I see most often in like... forms on webpages
17:20:39LloreanI think there shouldn't be any setting that's not user-settable (without using a text editor) somehow unless it's controlled by a file (WPS, icons, colours)
17:21:24preglowbut we have so huge menus :/
17:21:28linuxstbLlorean: I agree, although theme settings are a borderline case - once we get more and more theme settings, the current settings menus aren't ideal...
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17:21:55peturmaybe move all the theming settings in a separate settings tree next to general settings
17:21:57Nico_Palso dionoea said he found the names confusing... I was thinking of changing "Line Selector Start Colour" to "Line Selector Main Coulour" and "Line Selector End Colour" to "Line Selector Gradient Second Colour"... what do you think ?
17:21:59preglowone thing is users get confused, another thing is the menu code gets frigging huger
17:22:21preglowNico_P: that doesn't sound any less confusing to me, that's for sure
17:22:39*petur waits for the settings-in-a-plugin discussion to come up again
17:22:45Nico_Phehe :) the problem is the solid coulour setting only used the "main" coulour
17:23:00Lloreanlinuxstb: Yeah, I think if we actually do integrated "Themes" and to an extent give up on the by part idea (keeping WPS separate from the rest of the theme, etc) future settings can be more hidden.
17:23:01preglowoh, well then that is confusing
17:23:04linuxstbpetur: I added a "theme editor plugin" to SoC2008...
17:23:13peturI saw
17:23:30linuxstbpetur: agree or disagree?
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17:23:49Nico_Ppreglow: do you have a suggestion ?
17:24:38Lloreanlinuxstb: Basically it'd be a way to modify a lot of the "extras" of a theme, like adding to the iconset or changing the extension colors etc?
17:26:03nlsNico_P: why do you need a separate solid colour setting, wouldn't you just set the start and end colour to the same colour?
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17:26:29Nico_Pnls: that could work but it would be quite inefficient
17:26:32Lloreannls: Faster UI?
17:26:34linuxstbLlorean: I imaging it as being everything theme-related, so including fg/bg colours, status bar on/off, icons etc etc.
17:26:34peturlinuxstb: it would solve the above discussion and I'm all for it...
17:26:38pixelmastart and end color made me think the gradient is from left to right
17:27:07Lloreanlinuxstb: Honestly, I personally would prefer Font, Foreground and Background color remain in the main menus (though possibly still also be available through that)
17:27:08preglowNico_P: nope :/
17:27:10*preglow brb
17:27:10Nico_Ppixelma: I'm thinking of Main and Second but am open to better proposals
17:27:24LloreanSince those three, at least, can be rather independent of the theme (or usable with no theme set at all.
17:27:57LloreanNico_P: Maybe primary and secondary rather than "main" and "second"?
17:28:14nlsNico_P: well, You could detect that the colours are the same and take the same solid colour shortcuts as you do now
17:28:25Lloreannls: That's a good idea.
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17:28:26peturlinuxstb, Llorean, preglow: if you have any remarks on the GSoC2007 roundup wiki page, please edit it, I'll send its link on the mentor mailing list tonight (unless somebody else wants to do that)
17:29:14peturmarkun too...
17:29:38pixelmapetur: I have a remark... I don't think should have "replaced" the current voice system... (and could not everywhere)
17:29:52pixelmatts, I meant...
17:30:06Lloreanpetur: What's the URL?
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17:30:47peturpixelma: well if I got that wrong, change it.... ;)
17:31:19Nico_Pnls, Llorean: is it really necessary ? IMHO it doesn't change much
17:31:39markunpetur: I'll check later. Have to go now.
17:31:43Nico_Pby that I mean it wouldn't be a big saving
17:32:04nlsNico_P: no, it's not necessary but IMO would make the settings simpler
17:32:28LloreanNico_P: Not necessary at all, just kinda nice. :)
17:32:32Nico_Pnls: it would just remove one selector type
17:32:45nlsless settings == simpler
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17:33:25webguest40pixelma: get a chance to try the usb reboot? I see it didn't work for Zagor.
17:33:25Lloreanpetur: Looks good to me on a brief read. :)
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17:33:37Nico_Pmaybe I'll do it as another commit, but I have to admit I'd like to be done with this one for a bit :)
17:33:48dionoeaNico_P: "Primary" and "Secondary" color could be good enough
17:33:57Nico_PI like these too
17:33:58squidinkI've make a library function localtime() which does the opposite of mktime() - should I include it as an independent patch or bundle it with what I wrote it for?
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17:34:30Nico_Pdionoea: primary implies rellay well thet it will be used for the solid colour setting
17:34:55low_lightpixelma: that was me :)
17:35:40pixelmalow_light: I figured; you could have simply changed the nick ;) haven't tried yet but will do now
17:37:20low_lightI still think that the custom line selector (except solid colors) would be easier as a user supplied bitmap
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17:37:45low_lightI know scaling is a problem, but icons don't scale
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17:38:29Lloreanlow_light: It could even not be user-settable (except in the way backdrops are), and reset itself to the default upon font changes.
17:38:31low_lightwhat if I want a double gradient effect?
17:39:22low_lightjust have it as part of the theme, like icons
17:39:23dionoeaNico_P: next step is making it draw nice circular corners
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17:39:30pixelmalow_light: it freees for me too and have to hard power off
17:39:43low_lightfreezes when?
17:39:44dionoeaI'll have a look once you commit the current version
17:39:47linuxstbsquidink: IMO you can just include it in the same patch - it wouldn't get committed by itself anyway (we don't add functions that aren't being used).
17:40:05Lloreandionoea: That too would be covered with bitmaps
17:40:28dionoeaLike use a bitmap as the selector bar ?
17:41:20pixelmalow_light: when I plug the usb cable - rockbox shows its "usb screen", status bar shows "disk" activity and buttonlight turns up. Then it stays this way even if I unplug again
17:41:31LloreanIt doesn't scale at all to font size changes, or screen size changes, so it's more restricted in that area, but the number of effects you can accomplish with it is greatly increased.
17:41:31dionoeaIsn't drawing uniform horrizontal lines more efficient than drawing a bitmap ?
17:41:50dionoea(in terms of speed)
17:42:10LloreanI imagine it is, yes.
17:42:16dionoeabut yeah, i agree that using bitmaps could be cool
17:42:47dionoeaOr maybe do something like the Mac OS X dock to highlight the selected item :D
17:42:50LloreanBut people want *menu transitions* and those are slow just because you have to wait for them to happen, so it's pretty clear most of the "pretty" people aren't in the same circle on the diagram as the "fast" people, and the overlap isn't huge
17:43:06Nico_Pcommitted :)
17:43:48*Nico_P braces for the red delta on colour targets
17:44:04dionoeaah, you didn't change the s->invert stuff i mentioned in my comment :(
17:44:48Nico_Pdionoea: no, it created too much complexity IMHO... that member is also used by B&W targets
17:45:11*linuxstb booted into his ipod Color's OF the other day and had forgotton how slow and annoying the UI is, with menu transitions
17:45:45dionoeaWell it was only copying the style integer value and using an &0xE0000000 in the switch
17:45:53Nico_Pdionoea: and it's useful to be able to test its nullity
17:46:05dionoeayeah ... maybe.
17:46:32dionoeaChanging the 0, 1, 2, 3 values to a value in an enum would increase readability a bit
17:46:38pondlifeNico_P: Are you going to close the patch too? :)
17:46:53dionoeaCurrently you have to browse up in the code to know what the 1, 2 and 3 refer to
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17:47:25Lloreanlinuxstb: You should see it on the iPod Classic. I tried one at the store, and it was completely unusable.
17:47:42bluebrotheranother bug report against an unsupported build. hmpf.
17:48:18pondlifeIs the Classic underpowered then? Worse than the 5.5G?
17:48:52Lloreanpondlife: I think it's powered just fine.
17:48:57bluebrotherBagder: can we add a "we do not support modified builds" to the new task page?
17:49:12Lloreanpondlife: They transitions are just slow and akward
17:49:18LloreanThe Nano 3G is a bit better, but it's still pretty horrid.
17:49:33Lloreanbluebrother: Which task was it?
17:49:34linuxstbpondlife: I would expect it to be much higher-powered than the 5.5G...
17:49:50Nico_PI heard coverflow is sluggish as hell too
17:49:54bluebrotherLlorean: FS #7842. Got closed already (not by me)
17:50:15LloreanI'm just curious, I didn't notice it.
17:50:23pondlifeIt wasn't even a bug report really
17:50:43pondlifeDeserved closing for multiple reasons!
17:51:06*pondlife waits for a delta...
17:51:10bluebrotheryep. But someone filing a task and then revealing that it's not an official build only upon request later really pisses me off.
17:51:30bluebrothermaybe I'm a bit in a bad mood right now, but nevertheless ...
17:52:07pondlifeWooh, +1918
17:52:09Nico_Phmm 2k on colour targets... :(
17:52:10LloreanMaybe we should require an SVN revision with the task. Add a new entry in the form.
17:52:40pondlifeGood idea
17:52:59bluebrotherwe could also add a new values to the "reported version" field and auto-reject all tasks that are not against the current build ;-)
17:53:00pondlifeCan we validate the range too, to make sure it's not a silly number?
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17:53:04Nico_Ppondlife: I guess with added settings and lang strings a solid increase was to be expected
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17:53:11dionoearequire an svn revision for a bug report ?
17:53:21dionoeaah, like the rev of the current build ?
17:53:36pondlifeYes, at the time of the report...
17:53:47Lloreanbluebrother: If it's <5 revisions old, we should probably still accept it, since those can be pumped out while you're typing your task description, or even copying over a build.
17:54:04bluebrotherwe could aotumatically parse the date part and if it's older than a couple of days reject it.
17:54:05Nico_Phopefully it will make people wonder whether they are using SVN and whether it's a recent version
17:54:37bluebrotherand filter all version strings with that nice "M" in it.
17:55:19*bluebrother has another idea ...
17:55:20LloreanI think every now and then the official build servers pump out one with an M
17:55:36pixelmathere are a few of the current builds that have the M in it
17:55:50bluebrotherparse the version string and if it indicates a modified version add an "unsupported" to the version string
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17:56:27pixelmaat least there were
17:56:27bluebrotherbut why does this happen? It shouldn't at all.
17:56:39Lloreanbluebrother: It's a failure somewhere.
17:56:53LloreanBut we shouldn't reject reports due to our failures.
17:57:08bluebrotherright ...
17:57:19pixelmaI think it had to do with the bash/dash issue?
17:57:38bluebrotherI'm wondering if it's possible to add something unique that indicates official builds
17:58:12bluebrotherhmm −− how are the revision numbers on the download page generated? From the rockbox-info.txt files in the archives?
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17:59:40bluebrotherit would really be interesting to know which servers produce the M builds and what's the cause ...
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18:00:52bluebrotherpixelma: btw, I fixed some issues with device detection for the archos in rbutil ... in case you want to try ;-)
18:01:27pixelmawell... my OndioFM was already detected correctly
18:01:47pixelmawhen I tried last week
18:01:57bluebrotherit should now be possible to detect all archoses ... to bad I don't one any.
18:02:13bluebrotherbut if anyone wants to test please let me know
18:05:05pixelmaa big delta just for a gradiented selctor bar :\
18:07:44*bluebrother wonders why the mini has a red delta
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18:10:55Nico_Pbluebrother: it's avery small one
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18:11:37Nico_Ppixelma: the delta is actually mostly for the settings and associated lang strings
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18:12:18bluebrotherNico_P: yep ... but doesn't the change only affect color targets?
18:12:27Nico_Pit should
18:12:38bluebrotherthat's why I'm wondering
18:13:27bluebrotherbut what do you think about an underline cursor?
18:13:45Nico_Pcould be nice, yes
18:14:53bluebrothercould also give the possiblilty to underline arbitrary text.
18:15:05bluebrotherI guess quite some users would like that for the wps ;-)
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18:36:01low_lightpixelma: can you try this patch and see if reboot works?
18:36:45pixelmasure, just a moment (compiling something else right now)
18:38:21TemikHello! I need help. When i build UISimulator on FreeBSD get error - /rockbox/build-sim/apps/codecs/vorbis.o: could not read symbols: Bad value
18:38:39TemikPlatform AMD64
18:38:42Spyro_boyI can't charge my battery and listen to my sansa at the same time, can I?
18:39:07preglowpetur: roundup looks good to me
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18:43:11preglowthe new line selector options definitely clutter stuff up
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18:43:59preglowNico_P: but it looks damned good
18:44:38preglowit's buggy
18:44:47preglowwhen the line scrolled, the bar was really corrupted
18:45:07preglowdoes the patch handle line scrolling at all? :>
18:45:22Nico_Pit should...
18:45:28linuxstbShouldn't the title in the Line Selector XXX Colour settings screen scroll?
18:45:28Nico_Pwhat targetre you testing on
18:45:34preglowNico_P: nano
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18:46:01*Nico_P builds a sim
18:46:29*preglow decides the time has come for a larger font
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18:48:02Nico_Ppreglow: scrolling lines work fine on my gigabeat
18:48:11Nico_PI'll check s soon as the nano sim is built
18:48:56preglowwe really need prettier scrollbars too
18:49:56preglowhaha, man oh man, i ended up on helvetica
18:50:16*low_light mumbles something about custom bitmaps for these things (selectors, scrollbars, etc)
18:50:46preglowa proper font, gradient bar, some nicer icons and a good scrollbar and rockbox wouldn't look half-bad, really
18:51:19Nico_Ppreglow: ah I've managed to reproduce... I had this before. it occurs when the primary colour's rgb values are greater than the secondary colour's. I thought I had fixed it though
18:52:07preglowNico_P: damn, you just gave me some hope for a prettier rockbox, not bad
18:52:22pixelmagot a patch here that makes bubbles use one background bmp instead of a left and sometimes a right one. I think that's easier to handle - do I overlook something? Any objections?
18:52:26Nico_Pwant a gradient scrollbar ? :p
18:52:32preglowhaha :D
18:52:51Nico_Ppixelma: certainly not an objection
18:53:16*Nico_P tried to adapt bubbles to the gigabeat screen and it was a nightmare because of the bitmaps
18:53:33preglowthe nano screen has sucky colours :/
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18:55:04preglowgrah, the wps font and the menu fonts has to be the same :/
18:56:08pixelmaNico_P: started that once too, but gave up when I didn't find the cause why my drawing the board with a y-offset didn't work correctly - still have a mockup here (maybe I'll pick that up later again)
18:56:11preglowanyone planning to fix that? :V
18:56:42nlspixelma: keep in mind that the bitmaps for the bubbles aren't drawn transparently but rather they are squares with the same background color as the background in the game
18:57:10preglowpetur: the mob entry is a bit wrong, though, a fixed number of files can have their metadata loaded, not only one file
18:57:13pixelmadoesn't matter for the background - and it doesn't change the look at all
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18:57:41Nico_Ppreglow: I think I've fixed it
18:57:45nlspixelma: ah just in case you made it look different
18:57:57Nico_Ppreglow: I mean the buggy scrolling
18:58:21preglowNico_P: yeah, understood that
18:58:57pixelmanls: also I already discovered that, I also prepared the c200 version... ;)
18:59:21preglowfor once in my frigging life, i actually WANT to try my hand at some gui code
19:00:03pixelmalow_light: good news... reboot from a running rockbox to OF works with that patch :)
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19:00:43preglowamiconn: is the full 0-255% range really necessary for stereo width?
19:00:58preglowit's bloody boring to scroll from 100% to 255%
19:01:20preglowi'd say a 5% increment should be enough
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19:02:39Nico_Ppreglow: fix committed
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19:02:45preglowNico_P: will test
19:03:12low_lightpixelma: it's magic :)
19:05:33Nico_Ppreglow: the scrollbar widget would be a nice thing to make prettier, as it's used in plenty of places
19:05:36preglowNico_P: fixed
19:05:42Nico_Pcool :)
19:06:19low_lightpixelma: if you can do some testing...try commenting out the pp_i2c_send command to turn off the backlight
19:06:30Nico_Ppreglow: I hope you don't mind me not writing your full name in the commit message... "preglow" was shorter ;)
19:07:05preglowcan't say i care much, heh
19:07:12preglowi'm cool as long as the bug's fixed
19:07:21low_lightpixelma: and separately try the OF magic number with the pp_i2c_send command (since we know it didn't work without it)
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19:08:14amiconnoh my...
19:08:18low_lightpixelma: Zagor will have to test too, since he seemed to indicate that reboot was ok, but it wouldn't load the OF after reboot
19:08:20pixelmalow_light: where? Hard for me to keep an overview ATM as I'm working on my own changes at the same time
19:09:11|Rain|oi. what's the recommended version of gcc for PP-based platforms? I'm starting to think I have a knack for triggering gcc bugs
19:09:18preglow4.0.2, afaik
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19:09:33preglowjust use, that does what you need
19:09:34low_lightpixelma: system_reboot() in firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c
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19:09:45amiconn|Rain|: 4.0.3
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19:10:01preglowamiconn: did you see my stereo width question?
19:10:27amiconnWhy not keep the 1% steps? They don't hurt...
19:10:38preglowthey do, it takes ages to scroll from 100% to 255%
19:10:46preglowand when something takes ages, something is wrong
19:10:51preglowfrom a user interface point of view
19:10:52|Rain|I'm using 4.0.4... I wonder whether I'm just that unlucky
19:11:11GodEater|Rain|: why haven't you used ?
19:11:14amiconnSure not ages...
19:11:47*amiconn thinks that it's quite fast
19:12:16preglowamiconn: took eight seconds here, on h120
19:12:19preglowamiconn: slower on ipods
19:12:25|Rain|GodEater: it was easier to build the cross-compiler myself to keep it with my other cross compilers
19:13:12amiconn7 seconds on ipod for me...
19:13:17low_lightpreglow: isn't there a page-down keypress
19:13:28preglowlow_light: don't know, and if there is, i doubt most people know about it
19:13:35preglowamiconn: still, that's too lonmg, if you ask me
19:13:48preglowamiconn: and is the difference between 50 and 55% really very audible?
19:14:03preglowto my ears: almost not at all
19:14:21amiconnMaybe not much. But I like high precision :)
19:14:28preglowi do too
19:14:39preglowbut not when it comes at the expense of being able to use something without being annoyed
19:14:48amiconnThe limit at 255% is historical, btw
19:14:55preglowahh, yeah, i figured
19:15:14amiconn(from the old bit based settings saving. Maxed out 8 bits)
19:15:35preglowbut 255% _does_ result in a 255% stereo expansion, yes?
19:15:52preglowthen i don't really see a problem with it
19:16:10|Rain|hooray! now the rockbox wiki is telling me to go take a flying leap
19:16:12preglowmight as well expand it to 300% for all i care, what i care about are the tiny steps
19:16:32amiconnUsers might wonder about the strange steps. I'd say either 250% or 300% would be better
19:17:15amiconnPerhaps 5% steps are sufficient, need to try. I only ever use 120%
19:17:16preglowand i'd rather go up than down, but a ten second scroll is just too much for me, so i'd rather not go 300% unless the steps get bigger
19:17:26preglowamiconn: please do, i'd love to shorten it
19:17:39preglowehh, not shorten, the other thing :P
19:17:50pixelmalow_light: commented that line out, the reboot still works here :)
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19:26:42low_lightpixelma: interesting...that combination freezes my c200 as you described earlier :/
19:28:39low_lightthat is BL magic = freeze, but backlight off + BL magic = OK
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19:30:13pixelmaNico_P: I don't get the new settings - one has to set the selector type to gradient one level deeper than the colours for it?
19:30:42Nico_Ppixelma: I don't understand your question
19:30:56Nico_P"one level deeper" especially
19:31:03amiconnlow_light, pixelma: Do you think it makes sense to lower the c200 lcd colour depth in order to speed things up?
19:31:33amiconnThe lcd could do 12bit (4096 colours), with 3 bytes for 2 pixels instead of 4, speeding things up by ~33%
19:32:12pixelmaNico_P: choosing the selector type is in "lcd settings > selector type" while setting the gradient colours would be in "lcd settings"
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19:32:49Nico_Ppixelma: all the settings are in "lcd settings", including the "selector type"
19:32:51pixelmathat doesn't make sense IMO
19:34:14Nico_P"selector type" is a first setting and the colour settings are right after it... what's wrong with that ?
19:34:43pixelmaif one sees the color settings and doesn't know they are related to the selector type, s/he sets it and nothing would happen, or?
19:34:57Nico_Pyou'd want the colour settings to be in a submenu of "gradient" ?
19:35:22pixelmano, but maybe at least in the selector settings
19:35:48Nico_Pthere is no selector settings menu
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19:36:12*Nico_P is confused
19:36:12bluebrothersomeone needs to reorder the menus anyway.
19:36:46bluebrothermaybe I should give it a try over the weekend −− wanted to do this sometime anyway
19:37:58*amiconn thinks that pixelma is confusing something
19:38:07amiconnRockbox has no concept of "sub options"
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19:39:24pixelmamaybe, but if I wouldn't discuss here, I might miss the connection between the selector type "gradient" and the colour settings for it :\
19:40:13amiconnThen you would miss the connection between "Stereo Width" and the Channel configuration set to "Custom" the same way?
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19:40:31pixelmaI often do, yes
19:42:35*amiconn actually likes this settings independency
19:43:00amiconnIt allows to prepare values for a certain feature, and only enable it when needed/wanted
19:45:15bluebrotherdo we have our fnt format documented somewhere or only in the source?
19:46:06pixelmamaybe it has some advantages and it didn't bother me much but not very intuitive (at least to my way of thinking)
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19:48:27nlsamiconn: I made a simple counter for buffer misses in the midiplay plugin and disabled cpu boosting, when compiling with -O2 i get 23% fewer misses on a test track :-)
19:48:27Temik I need help! When i build UISimulator on FreeBSD amd64 get error - /usr/bin/ld: /usr/home/temik/rockbox/build-sim/apps/codecs/vorbis.o: relocation R_X86_64_32S can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
19:50:10pixelmalow_light: interesting, do you think it's different hardware or OF revisions or something else?
19:50:59amiconnbluebrother: Btw, it seems you didn't read the log
19:51:25amiconnThe recorder v2 ID is *only* 2; the archos website provides a wrong firmware
19:51:39amiconn(which would never run on a v2)
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19:51:59nlsTemik: is -fPIC icluded on the GCCOPTS line in your /usr/home/temik/rockbox/build-sim/Makefile ?
19:52:59bluebrotheramiconn: oh, ok.
19:53:13bluebrotherno, haven't found the time to read the logs. Will do now.
19:53:20Temiknls: No
19:53:35nlsTemik: does it work if you add it?
19:54:06*bluebrother goes fixing
19:55:07amiconnbluebrother: The archos website provides the OndioFM v1.32b firmware as "v2". This is clearly identifiable because it's so huge compared to normal archos firmwares
19:55:11low_lightpixelma: I have no idea. I guess I'll go with the first patch as it works for both of us...I'll wait for Zagor to test
19:55:17amiconn1.32b contains a flash upgrade, hence its size
19:55:56amiconnlow_light: Did you see my question regarding c200 lcd colour depth?
19:56:25low_lightamiconn: I have not objection to lowering the color depth. The c200 screen isn't that great anyway.
19:56:26amiconnbluebrother: Rockbox' .fnt format is based on microwindows (called Nano-X nowadays), but evolved since
19:56:50low_lightbut I'm sure someone will want to use mpegplayer on the c200
19:56:55amiconnThat's because the rockbox font code was originally written by the microwindows author
19:57:17amiconnlow_light: Yes, and that might work better when there's less data to move
19:57:40amiconnDithering will help to avoid banding
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19:58:17amiconnThe framebuffer would still be 16 bit for easier handling, just the format would be XRGB4444 instead of RGB565
19:58:25amiconn(X == dontcare)
19:58:39Temiknls: Thank you!
19:58:57pixelmalow_light: ok, sure - fwiw mine's running the 1.00.04F sansa firmware (didn't change the one it came with)
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19:59:05RaZorbacKi've just updated to a new revision but i would like to revert without loosing the functionnalities of the patches i've applied. is there a way ?
19:59:15bluebrotheramiconn: thanks :)
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20:00:31|Rain|figures, the 'officially sanctioned' version of gcc is doing the same thing to me :/
20:00:33nlsTemik: np, it seems the configure script only adds the -fPIC flag if it gets "x86_64" back from "uname -m" could you run that command and see wht it outputs?
20:00:41pixelmaamiconn: I'd like to see how the quality would be then
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20:01:15theclawhi there :)
20:01:36low_lightpixelma: I've got 1.01.00...that's the "official" version according to
20:02:02nlsRaZorbacK: "svn up -r <revision>" should do it
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20:03:04low_lightpixelma: if you want to upgrade, you can get the files from zefie:
20:03:41Temiknls: amd64
20:03:57pixelmalow_light: I didn't care enough about the OF revision to want to upgrade ;)
20:03:58nlsTemik: just like that "amd64" ?
20:04:09nlsok, thanks
20:04:10RaZorbacKwhat is "gradient colour"? i'm trying to translate
20:04:20Temik[temik@dhcppc0 ~]$ uname -m
20:04:20Temik[temik@dhcppc0 ~]$
20:05:02RaZorbacKnls: ok thx
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20:05:57low_lightpixelma: just curious if it effects this reboot issue. The OF bootloader could use different hardware settings. I suppose I could try too.
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20:07:00pixelmalow_light: yeah, would be an interesting test
20:07:22low_lightadvcomp2019: yes I saw those on zefie's site.
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20:12:11nlsTemik: could you try the change to the configure script I just committed to svn, just do a "svn up" and rerun configure for your sim to see if -fPIC is now included?
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20:15:10Temiknls: I badly understand how can do it? (Sorry for english, I'm from Russia)
20:16:11nlsTemik: update from svn, run configure again and see if it now includes -fPIC on the GCCOPTS line in the Makefile
20:17:23Temiknls: I'm build from SVN. -fPIC not include
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20:17:58nlsTemik: yes, but I committed a fix 5 minutes ago
20:18:02low_lightamiconn: what's the burst mode mentioned in the lcd datasheet?
20:18:10nlsjust want to see if it really works
20:18:28Temiknls: ))))
20:18:48amiconnlow_light: Well, it is burst mode. It would be faster - if we could control the cycle time of the PP's lcd bridge
20:19:37low_lightok...I guess I just meant to ask if it was something we could use
20:20:19amiconnBut if we knew how to control that cycle time, lcd updates on c200 (and greyscale ipods) could be made a lot faster than now - without needing burst mode
20:23:35Temiknls: -fPIC present
20:23:36amiconnI am talking about an order of magnitude here - compare greyscale ipod lcd framerates with H1x0, and you see what I mean...
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20:23:45nlsTemik: greak, thanks! :-)
20:24:28Temiknls: What is-fPIC?
20:25:34nlsTemik: it tells the linker to make the binaries position independent so i guess it means "Position Independent Code" or something
20:26:02Temiknls: Thanks
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20:29:43|Rain|anyone know what the odds of the bootloader legitimately hitting MAX_NUM_TICK_TASKS is? I'm pretty sure I'm dealing with yet another gcc bug, but I'm not sure, since i in tick_add_task was really 8 and not something that looked completely bogus
20:30:29|Rain|(of course, if I make the panicf at the end of tick_add_task print the addresses of each function, the panic doesn't even occur)
20:30:38*bluebrother found FontFormat :)
20:32:01amiconn|Rain|: Tick tasks must not be used in the bootloader as they require interrupts to be enabled
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20:41:30codesquidI like the new gradient line selector
20:42:59|Rain|amiconn: how am I allegedly ending up with 8, then? hopefully the table is just uninitialized...
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20:43:57|Rain|that gives me a little more to work with, anyway... thanks
20:44:16florinp3hello everybody
20:44:21florinp3regarding: B#7510
20:44:43florinp3I can lend my iPod Nano to a developer
20:44:52florinp3I live in the EU
20:45:10Learnls: gcc 4.3 doesn't generate very good code in mdct.c, so some assembler I had tried earlier was useful now. Sped things up by about 5%. Still some ways to go...
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20:45:52nlsLear: good news, was that with tomals patches or without?
20:46:07LearAll without.
20:46:58nlsok, well it's not too late to hope they fix these regressions although the chanses are probably pretty slim...
20:47:15tumunls, -fprofile-arcs did work, but it didn't create all datafiles, possibly due to sim not closing how it requires
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20:48:09nlsLear: maybe that's why libmad is so indifferent, because of the fast asm idct (or whatever it is)
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20:48:43nlstumu: so, did it tell you anything helpfull? also what target do you have?
20:49:08tumunls, no, it didn't because of missing datafile and i have e200
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20:50:49nlstumu: as I told you yesterday, rockbox has on target profiling support, but for arm you would have to adapt the processing script. Maybe that would be useful?
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20:51:28Learnls: Possibly, but AAC is much faster... But gcc does silly things here, IMHO.
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20:51:50nlssilly fast? ;-)
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20:52:15tumunls, it would as well, but the gcc one should also work if someone took a look at the sim what it does wrong in the exiting
20:53:15tumukinda stupid to create specialized solutions for already available things :)
20:53:30nlstumu, jhMikeS was digging around the sim not long ago maybe he knows what needs to be done?
20:54:03nlswell the rockbox profiling is a port of some library IIRC
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20:55:38pregloware anyone planning on coding support for different fonts on different screens? i want the wps font to be able to be different to the menu font
20:57:32preglowsurely, expecting the same font to be usable both places is silly, the wps might have to pack more information into one screen than menus
20:58:45florinp3nobody wants a Nano?
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20:59:18preglowi have one
21:00:30florinp3can you fix B#7510? :D
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21:00:48preglowif it's about the crashing: mine isn't affected
21:01:03florinp3mine is
21:01:29florinp3that's why I'm willing to send it to someone
21:01:37preglowi don't think i'd be the right persron for that
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21:02:25Nico_Pamiconn: do you have something against having separate fonts for menus and the WPS ?
21:02:35Nico_Ppreglow: have you looked at the multifont patch ?
21:02:42preglowNico_P: didn't know it existed...
21:02:59preglowseeing it now
21:02:59low_lightpreglow: maybe viewports can have different fonts ;)
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21:03:28preglowwe should decide how we want multi font support to work, though
21:04:09amiconnI can only imagine one thing where we actually need more than one font - the targets with lcd remote
21:04:22preglow_need_ is the wrong word
21:04:26amiconnMultiple fonts will need more ram
21:04:29preglowwe certainly don't need it
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21:04:45amiconnmarkun said that he was working on a more efficient font caching method
21:04:51preglowwould be cool
21:05:00preglowbut the fact is most people are willing to sacrifice some ram for this
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21:05:06preglowand the amount we're speaking about isn't big
21:06:02amiconn100k *is* big for some targets
21:06:05low_lightIt would be nice for the gigabeat...a smaller font in the file/list view and larger font in the wps
21:06:07amiconnIt's in fact huge
21:06:10preglowamiconn: not every target needs to have it
21:06:35amiconnThat means more special casing in the code, which I don't like if its not needed
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21:06:45preglowthen please let's fork away the archoses :(
21:06:55preglowif they're going to limit everything, this will be no fun
21:06:57pixelmano :(
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21:07:23preglowi don't really want to either
21:07:31preglowbut if i can't have multifont support because of them, then i want to fork them
21:07:53amiconnWe can probably have multifont support
21:08:03preglowit's logical you can't expect a seven year old dap to support what newer ones can anyway
21:08:06amiconnBut imo it's not a priority at all
21:08:07preglowno one would expect that
21:08:28amiconnAnd if it can be done with low impact, it should be done that way
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21:08:40preglowit won't happen because it's a priority, it'll happen because someone comes along and wants it enough to do it
21:08:53*amiconn prods markun
21:08:57preglowand at that point, i don't want to say "no, stop. we're not doing that because our seven year old targets only have two megs of ram"
21:09:30|Rain|amiconn: are you sure tick_add_task is unsafe in the bootloader? I made it panic on any use in the bootloader, and the first thing it's trying to add is button_tick, which I'd think would've been noticed by now...
21:09:30preglowwell, sure, but i know nothing about font rendering. if low impact is possible, then surely, that's the way to go
21:09:34*Nico_P agrees completely
21:09:41preglowi'm just assuming a fair deal of memory will be used anyway. we are talking bitmaps, after all
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21:10:26amiconnThe font cache isn't that huge
21:10:32preglowwhat size are we talking?
21:10:36amiconnFonts are mono bitmaps after all
21:10:41TMMpretty pictures? :D
21:10:44pixelmaI didn't see that happen with so many other features (that they were stopped because for this reason) yet
21:11:21preglowpixelma: not saying they have, but i'd really just like to make it clear what our stance is on it
21:11:37preglowcan't do that unless you stress the issue a bit from time to time :)
21:12:22preglowi'd like nothing more (well, perhaps a couple of things...) than developing a firmware that makes old hardware work better, but at some point we're going to struggle with limits
21:12:36preglowand we'll need to decide how to handle that
21:13:25Nico_Pwe're already having this performance gap with the gigabeat, and it will only widen with new targets
21:14:07TMMwhat's the core speed of most targets? the ipods are dual 80mhz arm's right? are the older targets much slower?
21:14:09*Nico_P hopes to put the 500 MHz with FPU of the gigabeat S to good use
21:14:11preglowpesky gigabeat :P
21:15:27preglowNico_P: man, this gradient stuff is sweeet :P
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21:15:56Nico_Ppreglow: it grows on you, doesn't it ?
21:16:04TMMNico_P: thanks
21:16:12preglowgrew further in this case, i liked it even from the start
21:16:19nlsTMM: the coldfire targets are 124 MHz but are a lot faster than the arms in some cases and a lot slower in some
21:16:39preglowi'd say the potential to make fast code is better for the coldfire, though
21:16:39massiveHthe archos recorder is 12mhz...
21:17:09TMMwow... almost 300 mhz for the gigabeat?
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21:17:13pixelmabut it doesn't have to do the decoding on the cpu
21:17:21TMMI installed ubuntu feisty on a p2-350 yesterday :)
21:17:29massiveHeh, technacalities....
21:17:31Jeffrey_Lhello.. how do i reset my ipod? holding play doesnt work
21:17:43GodEaterTMM - yeah the Gigabeat F/X is pretty quick
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21:17:55TMMpretty impressive
21:17:55Nico_PTMM: now you see what I'm talking about :)
21:17:59preglowNico_P: though 2k2 size delta for the patch is kinda nasty, if you ask me
21:18:05TMMNico_P: NICE hardware :D
21:18:09amiconnpreglow: Don't forget that the archoses are not the only low mem targets
21:18:17GodEaterJeffrey_L: you have to hold menu + select to reset if it's a modenish ipod
21:18:20preglowamiconn: true
21:18:30preglowamiconn: ifp too, yeah?
21:18:30amiconnThere's also the iFP. It progresses slowly, but it still progresses
21:18:35Jeffrey_Lthanks god
21:18:36Nico_PTMM: and the S has 530 MHz + FPU
21:18:38TMMwell, the iAudio's have 120Mhz, as does the 6 and 7. so, not all that bad :)
21:18:43*amiconn would like tomal to be more communicative :/
21:19:03Nico_Ppreglow: yeah, I agree it's a bit much... 500 bytes are for the menus though
21:19:05TMMNico_P: and an FPU? if it has an MMU as well, it could do with a pretty full-fledged linux port as well :)
21:19:13amiconnNico_P: what a waste.... imo
21:19:26preglowNico_P: another good reason to just not bundle the menus, if you ask me
21:19:27amiconn(the 500+Mhz)
21:19:39preglowsure is a waste
21:19:42TMMwaste? no need to figure out all the pesky extra processors :) you can just use the main proc :)
21:19:44preglowbut a cool one :)
21:20:01Nico_Pamiconn: it's probably one of the reasons for the poor battery life
21:20:12GodEatersomeone needs to update the device chart with the 1/2G ipods and the c200 sansa
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21:20:41preglowamiconn: anyway, the reason i want multifont support is i just switched to helvetica for menus and found that to be really usable, but then icatcher suddenly looks like a car crash
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21:20:54preglowamiconn: and no surprise either, it needs a smaller font than i'd like for menus
21:21:36Jeffrey_Lthanks for all the great work on rockbox, you guys rule
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21:22:23Nico_PTMM: the S runs windows :)
21:22:31preglowahahaha, sweet lord
21:22:34pixelmaagreed having a font for menu and another for the wps would be ok, but I don't need no multiple fonts in one screen (just makes it less readable in most cases)
21:22:35GodEateryou said the W word
21:22:35Nico_Pand freescale offers linux for the CPU as dev tool
21:23:02preglowpixelma: i mostly agree, but i'd rather we try to think out a way to make that possible too
21:23:06TMMNico_P: WHAT?
21:23:10preglowpixelma: several fonts in one screen should be used with extreme care, though
21:23:29preglowgeneral typographic advice
21:23:31tumueach char with different font ftw!
21:23:35Nico_PTMM: well, not the same windows as desktops... it's windows portable or something like that
21:23:41preglowthough often a separate font for some kind of "title" works out nice
21:23:53XavierGrpreglow: yeah for displaying rtf documents :P
21:24:22preglowwhat the hell is this, microsoft day? :P
21:24:38*GodEater hopes not
21:24:39preglowwe already have wma, now leavy us alone!
21:24:44preglowleave <-
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21:24:51Nico_Ppreglow: maybe not several fonts but several font sizes
21:24:55pixelmamore important to me wrt multiple fonts to me is the already mentioned remote and main display issue
21:24:55XavierGrdon't hit me I was kidding :D
21:25:03senabi only think multifont is useful when using diff sizes of the same fonr
21:25:04preglowNico_P: which is the same as several fonts for us
21:25:22preglowpixelma: at least that's a real practical issue
21:25:29Nico_Pbut from a typographic standpoint, size is better
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21:25:52preglowsize or weight
21:25:53TMMdoes anyone know of a tool to see the difference between two binary files? kind of like the source diff viewer with a hex editor or something?
21:25:55amiconnThat gradient thing looks strange :\
21:25:56pixelmaespecially for the H300s/H100s with the same remote displays
21:26:04nlspreglow: what would be nice IMHO is a way to specify a max size for the font in a screen for example say we need 6 lines, check if that will fit otherwise tell the font code to load the largest one that fits of the same font family
21:26:08senabi like the gradient thing
21:26:11preglowamiconn: you mean the gradient itself? it looks linear now
21:26:16low_lightamiconn: on the c200 lcd, should lcd_enable(false) turn on standby mode? or set display off?
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21:26:29Nico_PTMM: cmp
21:26:36TMMNico_P: cmp?
21:26:55Nico_PTMM: it can compare files... not exactly like you aksed though
21:27:00senabi think it would be nice to have some padding around the text on the menu otherwise the gradient is too small imo
21:27:00[omni]TMM: there's a perl utility called hexdiff
21:27:15TMMforget it, the files are the same :D
21:27:25TMMwhich is odd
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21:27:35[omni]TMM: same checksum?
21:27:52pixelmasenab: use a different font? ;)
21:28:00TMMthis tool seems to do a great deal more then just do a copy
21:28:08TMMbut, it doesn't ;)
21:28:19TMMwell, not on this input file anyway
21:28:33senabpixelma: true lol
21:30:35TMMARGH... the bloody thing changes both the input AND the output file
21:30:41TMMjezus fuck
21:30:43senabinfact the more i look at it, the more im not liking the gradient
21:31:05TMMwhat the hell
21:31:22Nico_Psenab: what don't you like with it ?
21:31:39senabpersonal taste ;)
21:31:40preglowbtw, whatever happened to paprica?
21:31:43preglowi want more games :P
21:32:00*low_light whispers bitmap selector...would make everyone happy :)
21:32:07preglowour breakout clone friggin' beats apple's to cat food
21:33:29TMMwhat's the bloody point of having an OUTPUT file, it it changes the INPUT file to the EXACT same as the output file?
21:33:44TMMand it DOES change the input file, I checked 4 times
21:33:48senabregarding the colour chooser, why does green go to 63, and blue and red go to 31?
21:33:59TMMchange and copy, holy hell... retards
21:34:12nlssenab: because of rgb 565
21:34:26nls5 bits for red and blue 6 for green
21:34:47Nico_PTMM: what tool is doing this ?
21:34:56TMMstupid firmware sign tool
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21:34:59senabahhhhh! u learn something every day
21:35:39*TMM frustrated
21:36:02TMMtime for a beer :D
21:36:08*senab agress
21:36:31senabfor god sake, i can't spell today
21:36:44TMMsenab: looks like you've had about enough
21:37:04senabi wish lol
21:37:20TMMand an episode of stargate
21:37:22TMMdamn this
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21:38:51senabwould using a large iconset increase the line height?
21:39:22Nico_Psenab: no, the icons would be drawn on top of each other
21:39:23low_lightI believe the font controls line height
21:39:44senabok, cheers
21:41:31Nico_Ptoffe82: the article you added to ArticlesAboutRockox was already in it
21:41:43bascule2What does this Sansa option mean/do? Sleep (After Backlight Off)
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21:42:00bascule2Doesn't seem to do anything for me
21:42:00toffe82Nico_P: it is not the same
21:43:16Nico_PI don't see a difference
21:43:42toffe82the wps picture :)
21:43:59toffe82ok it is the same but not in the same magazine
21:44:02Nico_Pactually the article is originally from PC world, but it's was written the 22nd of august
21:44:51senabbascule2: read the manual :P
21:45:04toffe82I just receive pcworld this week with this review of rockbox
21:45:18Nico_Pnice :)
21:45:31Nico_Ptoffe82: are you editing the wiki page ?
21:45:34senabis pcworld a US mag then?
21:45:38toffe82not now
21:45:39bascule2senab: it's not in the manual
21:45:40Nico_PI can do it if you want
21:46:03toffe82Nico_P: edit for what ?
21:46:32Nico_PI just wanted to get the date and source right :)
21:47:01toffe82ok, I have to check the date on the magazine but it should be the one of october
21:47:31Nico_Pit's written 22nd of october right under the title of the article
21:47:47Nico_Pso it's the second time rockbox gets a review in PC World :)
21:48:31toffe8222 of august
21:48:43Nico_Perr yes, august
21:49:08bascule2senab: that's the point. It's also not anywhere in the Wiki or the forums
21:49:13toffe82but th magazine is from this month, we should put the date of the magazine, I will check tonight
21:49:20muesli-_davina there?
21:49:36senabbascule2: afaik, it's actually turning the lcd off
21:50:01Nico_Ptoffe82: so maybe add "published in the −− issue"
21:50:48bascule2senab: so, screen power off, rather than just switching off the light?
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21:50:55senabbascule2: so in theory if you shine a light on the screen when the backlight has gone out you should see something
21:51:10senabbascule2: yes
21:51:46toffe82Nico_P: I will fix it tonight :)
21:51:57Nico_Pok :)
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21:52:06preglowcan anyone tell me why this hasn't been commited?
21:52:09Nico_Pbtw, I completely forgot to buy a screwdriver today
21:52:41muesli-_davina pls join #blub since i cant query u...
21:52:51Nico_Ppreglow: very good question
21:53:09preglowsomeone with a 5g should just check it out and commit it
21:53:33senabis it specific to a 5g though?
21:53:38preglowwell, looks like it
21:54:14preglowbecause it talks to ipod video hardware?
21:54:17preglowi can't think of any other reason
21:54:28muesli-_davina cos im not registered
21:54:35preglowmuesli-_: then register
21:54:43senabpreglow: i doubt it even touches the broadcom chip
21:55:06preglowthe routine does, the changed code doesn't
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21:55:30Nico_Ppreglow: really ? what do you mean ?
21:56:12preglowthe routine does talk to the broadcom chip, yes
21:56:16preglowso you can't just use it on a nano
21:56:19bascule2senab: thanks
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21:56:40Nico_Ppreglow: what does it say to the chip ? "go to sleep" ?
21:56:52muesli-go ahead mate ;)
21:57:05preglowNico_P: all lcd accesses is done through it
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21:59:20preglowso back to my point, why isn't it commited?
21:59:43nlspreglow: because you haven't comitted it yet? ;-)
21:59:46Nico_Pno one to review it ?
21:59:56preglowsomeone would need to test it, yet
22:00:04preglownls: have no video :/
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22:01:52senabi noticed something on my sansa display today, if you move the scrollwheel fast then the display kinda 'ghosts'
22:03:06preglowanyone have a video and can test it?
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22:03:30preglowoh, there he was :P
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22:04:16*senab wonders who (or what) preglow is talking to... :s
22:04:28preglowbuschel, the guy who did the patch i'm talking about
22:05:01senabahhhh! haha, it just sounded funny
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22:17:08preglowhmm, it does appear it can be ported to other ipods too, though
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22:17:26Nico_Ppreglow: and other ARM targets ?
22:17:35preglowno idea
22:17:44preglowit's c, so arm shouldn't matter
22:18:16*nls stops fiddeling with the midi plugin for tonight
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22:19:38*bluebrother wonders why the midiplay plugin has CamelCase function names ... is it imported code?
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22:22:22nlsbluebrother: from reading a couple of comments in the code it seems to be some sort of mix of little peices from different midi players, but to get the dirty facts you should ask stevenm
22:23:04bluebrotherhe isn't frequently around here, is he? But I merely wanted to throw this point in ;-)
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22:23:30preglownot anymore, no
22:23:30nlsbluebrother: he's been around a bit the last couple of days
22:23:42bluebrotherhmm, we should write a style document for rbutil as the style differes from main rockbox due to it being cpp ...
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22:24:07preglowi'd say the style requirements are about the same, but with // and CamelCase
22:24:17preglowand typedefs not being a problem
22:24:29bluebrotheryep, mostly.
22:24:57bluebrotherbut having it written down would be nice imo.
22:25:04preglowthen go ahead :P
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22:27:09maxkelleywhee.. ham radio club.
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22:27:29maxkelleymembers: a janitor and 4 kids, including me :)
22:28:58maxkelleyand the room they meet in is not really a room, more like a closet, so small that we can't all fit :)
22:29:34maxkelleybut I'm content.
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22:32:09fm2I'd like to execute some shell commands after compiling of the files in apps dir. Where should I put them? I assume that should be apps/Makefile. But should I put them there (where exactly?) directly or rather write a script and call the script in Makefile?
22:32:39maxkelleyoh, whoops. this was the wrong channel.
22:32:47preglowoh? :V
22:32:47maxkelleysorry for being offtopic.
22:32:49Nico_Pfm2: I'd say write a script
22:32:57maxkelleyI thought I was someplace else :)
22:34:18fm2Nico_P: and where in the make file should I put the call to the script? It should work as follows. First, files are compiled as before. Then my script runs and produces one more file. Then the liker can kick in. So where should I put the call?
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22:35:13bluebrotherfm2: create a new make target which you call. Then put the target that gets called now as prerequisite
22:35:24Nico_Pfm2: oh actually I thought the script would call "make". but still, I think it's better to write a script and call it in the makefile. As to where from, I have no idea
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22:37:40fm2bluebrother: and which target is called now?
22:37:58bluebrotherI don't know. But if you call make without arguments the first target is called.
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22:38:52bluebrotherseems the first target is all, and I bet this is the target that gets called.
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22:40:48fm2bluebrother: yes, 'all' is the first target. So I rename it to all_old, and create a new target 'all' which will have "all: all_old" as its first line?
22:41:23bluebrotheror leave it as it is and add a new target before that one.
22:42:24webguest99It is very badly lost wma. Some songs does not reproduce and the hard disk starts to knock. At me ipod 80g
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22:43:21fm2bluebrother: the second line would be the execution of the script, and then the compiler should be called again. How do I do that?
22:43:38bluebrotherthe compiler should be called again?
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22:44:17bluebrotherafter the target the actual commands follow. You need to indent them with a tab. Apart from that it's mostly bash
22:45:14fm2bluebrother: ok, thanks, I'll try
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22:46:38webguest99And not all wma are not lost
22:48:56|Rain|so, I fixed the bootloader for the e200 (and I made it do closer to the right thing if HAVE_USBSTACK is defined from your rockbox build)
22:49:19|Rain|what's the preferred way to submit patches? open a bug in flyswatter?
22:49:33|Rain|flyspray, that's it
22:49:43alienbiker99sumbit the patch in the right catagorie
22:50:03webguest99Russian translation is frequently incorrect - does not distinguish id3 tag. Will sometime correct?
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22:51:26alienbiker99webguest99 if somebody corrects it
22:52:02Nico_Pwebguest99: you can
22:52:36Nico_Pwebguest99: there's even a web interface for it:">
22:53:12webguest99I do not understand programming, and so with pleasure
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22:55:01Bagderrasher: your page shows funny error messages
22:55:14bluebrotherwebguest99: you don't need to know programming to translate.
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22:55:50preglownorsk.lang should be renamed norsk-bokml.lang now, to be pedantic
22:56:03preglowi wonder if i should be bothered
22:56:35webguest99There not in translation business, and display of Russian tegs in the form of hieroglyphs
22:56:55Bagderthen you use a bad font I'd guess
22:57:25Nico_PBagder: what do you call "funny error messages" ?
22:57:39preglowwould i need to do anything else than rename the file in svn to avoid wrecking havoc?
22:57:57BagderNico_P: I got php error messsages at the top of the translate page
22:58:06preglowme too
22:58:25Bagderor rather, one notice and one warning
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22:59:20Dark_ApostropheI have plenty of duplicate tracks on my player.. is there a way to automatically remove them?
22:59:31nlspreglow: tell all the users of the norsk.lng why their translation is outdated in a couple of months... it will remain on their players and in their cfg's
22:59:46bluebrotherDark_Apostrophe: in the database or physical files in the file view?
22:59:48preglowok, so i should just not do anything about it?
22:59:54Dark_Apostrophebluebrother: Both
23:00:09Dark_Apostrophebluebrother: Many duplicates in various directories
23:00:12bluebrotherfor the database you might want to check the recycle bin.
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23:00:21nlspreglow: doesn't matter to me, if it feels better, just do it (tm) :-)
23:00:29Dark_Apostrophebluebrother: Physical files
23:00:30bluebrotherand for physical files on the disk, no.
23:00:53bluebrotheryou could write a script that identifies the files based on hashes and removes duplicates.
23:01:27bluebrotheror maybe there is some media management software around that allows you doing this.
23:01:47|Rain|I've dumped the patches into in case anyone else wants to eyeball them... I'll submit them to the bug tracker tonight
23:01:48preglownls: i just hate it when legacy issues prevents me from doing the right thing :P
23:01:52bluebrotherbut Rockbox does not have anything to do this.
23:02:28preglownls: luckily, norsk-bokml.lng will be displayed right next to norsk.lng, so they'll notice something is different. i'll think on it
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23:07:22Nico_Prasher's web translating tool is very nice :)
23:07:38*Nico_P just produced a patch updating francais.lang
23:07:58Nico_Pthe only thing is it added a bunch of "user:" lines
23:08:07preglowand they're what?
23:08:16Nico_Pno idea
23:08:30bluebrotherIIRC those user lines aren't used yet.
23:08:39jeplerhow do I switch between "scan" and "preset" modes in fm playback (recent svn version, e200-series)?
23:08:46Nico_PI'd like to commit the update... should I leave these lines ?
23:09:05preglowNico_P: well, were i you i'd at least find out what the hell they are, heh
23:09:07preglowbut do as you wish
23:09:13preglowyou can always blame rasher :P
23:09:37Nico_PBagder: can you tell me what to do ?
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23:10:44jepleraha −− by pressing "record" (!?)
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23:12:28rasherBagder, preglow: What kind of php error? I don't see it..
23:12:53rasherpreglow: norsk-bokmål would be the first non-ascii language name. Not sure it matters, but I guess it's something to think about.
23:13:04rasher(almost all fonts support latin-1 anyway)
23:13:13preglowall good anyway, if we don't support that properly, we're not trying hard enough at being unicode, heh
23:13:34rasherNico_P: the user: lines are harmless. It's a langv2 feature not yet used
23:13:45preglowrasher: used for what?
23:13:55Nico_Prasher: should I keep them in the commit though ?
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23:13:59alienbiker99thats the error i got on your page
23:14:00rasherIt's to do with supporting translation of plugins
23:14:08rasherNico_P: doesn't really matter either way
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23:14:21rasheralienbiker99: oh gosh
23:14:31rasheralienbiker99: thanks.
23:14:34rasherAnd I'm off..
23:14:37alienbiker99no problem
23:14:40Nico_Pthen I'll leave them... simpler that way :)
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23:39:34Bam2550I'm back!
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23:43:54TMMBam2550: let us all rejoice!
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23:45:03Bam2550lol, Where you being sarcastic?
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23:47:40Bam2550my dog ate my readme.txt
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23:47:50TMMBam2550: nooooo, I'd NEVER
23:48:09Bam2550Youd never eat my readme.txt? thanks
23:48:59TMMno, I'm full already, but thank you
23:49:31TMMnext time I see your readme, I will most certainly have a bite
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23:54:46Dark_ApostropheDoes anyone know if album art will be implemented and included in the precompiled binaries (rather than users having to patch it themselves) any time soon?
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23:58:56nlsDark_Apostrophe: if soon is some arbitrary point in time not before now, yse :-)

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