| 00:00:19 | rasher | Bagder: any idea why the crosscompiled (linux->windows) binaries get so huge? Even if I remove -g from GCCOPTS, they still shrink considerably after running strip on them |
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| 00:01:06 | scorche|work | Bagder: heh...another job for the rockbox courier? =P |
| 00:01:49 | amiconn | rasher: Define "huge" |
| 00:02:04 | amiconn | The sim binaries are huge in general due to the debug symbols |
| 00:02:16 | amiconn | I mean also when not crosscompiled |
| 00:02:32 | nls | rasher: maybe it's gcc's way of telling you that windows "suckz0rz" :-D ? |
| 00:02:43 | Bagder | gotta go |
| 00:02:57 | rasher | I'll have to get back to you on the numbers. I just remember they shrink a few hundred percent when stripped (making them runnable in the sim) |
| 00:04:58 | amiconn | Some examples for windows binaries (compiled on cygwin): H300 rockboxui.exe ~2.3MB, doom.rock ~1.2MB |
| 00:05:13 | rasher | And that runs? |
| 00:05:24 | amiconn | yup |
| 00:05:36 | rasher | Odd |
| 00:06:04 | amiconn | amd64 linux binaries: H300 rockboxui ~2.5MB, doom.rock ~2.4MB |
| 00:06:05 | Zagor | lowlight: your magic doesn't work so well for me. it reboots but then hangs instead of going into OF USB |
| 00:06:23 | amiconn | So in fact the amd64 linux binaries are larger than the windows binaries... |
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| 00:09:48 | TMM | just out of curiousity, is it so that rockbox can't act as a USB drive? so you have to use the original firmware for that? or is that only on certain players? |
| 00:10:10 | bluebrother | it's only on the portalplayer targets. |
| 00:10:18 | bluebrother | i.e. those without hardware USB mode. |
| 00:10:22 | TMM | ah, ipods |
| 00:10:26 | scorche|work | the other devices, USB works fine |
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| 00:10:30 | scorche|work | not just ipods |
| 00:10:50 | scorche|work | PP targets include ipods, iriver h10, sansa |
| 00:11:00 | TMM | ah, I didn't know that |
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| 00:13:51 | tumu | does gcc's -fprofile-arcs work for sim builds? |
| 00:14:23 | nls | tumu: don't think anyone tried it so there's only one way to dind out :-) |
| 00:14:30 | tumu | :p |
| 00:14:31 | nls | s/dind/find |
| 00:14:53 | tumu | as wiki only tells about some other way |
| 00:15:26 | tumu | which seems to be complex |
| 00:16:45 | rasher | amiconn: the windows sim when crosscompiled completely refuses to load .rocks or .codecs larger than some size, perhaps 512KiB, giving the error toffe82 said |
| 00:17:09 | nls | tumu: you mean profiling? that gives different information |
| 00:18:08 | nls | -fprofile-arcs records how man times each call and branch is executed, profiling records how much time is spent doing something |
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| 00:19:20 | tumu | yes |
| 00:20:14 | jepler | darned RefreshDatabase waiting |
| 00:20:26 | nls | tumu: however running any of those on the sim would probably not yield very representative results of the behaviour on target |
| 00:20:30 | jepler | if only I were smart enough to figure out the magic numbers to make it skip in my firmware |
| 00:20:32 | toffe82 | rasher: I was not compiling the simulator, I was compiling rockbox, I thought I could take the resulting folder and use it with the windows sim |
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| 00:21:15 | nls | tumu: if you have a coldfire target there is support in rockbox for doing profiling on target |
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| 00:22:13 | rasher | toffe82: oh well that's bound not to work.. I'm pretty sure that's not what happened for me though |
| 00:25:00 | amiconn | rasher: I guess there is problem with the cross linker then, as binaries compiled on cygwin do work |
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| 00:26:41 | amiconn | Hmm, iirc a crosscompiled sim made with my 'debbox' vmware image did work ... I should perhaps re-check |
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| 00:37:50 | bluebrother | hmm. Just downloaded the current recorderv2 firmware from the archos site and it shows the version id 8? |
| 00:38:09 | bluebrother | according to scramble.c this should be 2. Strange. |
| 00:39:33 | jepler | is the as3514 (sansa) datasheet available? I am curious what it would take to add headphone detection, which is on the bullet list http://www.amsint.com/03products/products_detail/AS3514/features_AS3514.htm |
| 00:39:40 | ToHellWithGA | could somebody help me understand the difference between current builds and daily builds? rockbox-info.txt in both is the same date |
| 00:39:43 | TMM | ok, time to go |
| 00:39:47 | TMM | later people |
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| 00:40:08 | jepler | I see others have had this on their minds before (eg http://www.rockbox.org/irc/reader.pl?date=20070710) but I haven't found an answer yet |
| 00:40:39 | linuxstb_ | ToHellWithGA: A daily build is built from SVN at a fixed time each day (around 6AM GMT I think), the current builds are built every time SVN changes. |
| 00:40:42 | bluebrother | ToHellWithGA: daily (or archived) builds are created once per day |
| 00:40:51 | * | bluebrother too slow |
| 00:41:35 | ToHellWithGA | so daily is, with the exception of right at that 6am build, generally older than current |
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| 00:55:55 | amiconn | euh |
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| 00:56:46 | amiconn | bluebrother: (for the log) The "recorder v2" firmware on the archos site is a wrong link. It's in fact the Ondio FM v1.32b firmware. |
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| 00:56:59 | amiconn | It's not the only linking problem on that site :/ |
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| 01:12:18 | Nico_P | jepler: some rockbox devs got the datasheet under NDA |
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| 01:14:58 | bistouri | Hi, could Sansa users have a look at my logo and give me an opinion ? thanks |
| 01:15:00 | bistouri | http://dormrf.free.fr/forum/img/TSAAS.png |
| 01:16:16 | Nico_P | bistouri: french ? |
| 01:16:38 | bistouri | si senor |
| 01:16:46 | * | Nico_P too |
| 01:17:07 | Nico_P | nice to see some french people interested in rockbox |
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| 01:17:30 | bistouri | i love it |
| 01:17:37 | Nico_P | bistouri: anyway, I'm not a sansa owner, but I quite like it... I just think the reflection may be a bit large |
| 01:18:31 | Nico_P | or maybe it has too much weight compared to the normal text, but I think it hurts readability a bit |
| 01:19:23 | bistouri | was never embarrassed with its weight |
| 01:19:24 | * | petur wrote a roundup article on GSoC 2007 to be posted on the Google ML. Please correct any mistakes I made... |
| 01:19:27 | Nico_P | and maybe there should be a space before and after the sansa... it looks a bit tight between the two texts |
| 01:19:51 | bistouri | i use my sansa for rollers , run and more, quite usabe |
| 01:20:38 | Nico_P | bistouri: I was speaking about the weight of the reflection... maybe not the best choice of words |
| 01:20:52 | bistouri | Nico_P: ok lol |
| 01:21:56 | Nico_P | petur: nice report |
| 01:22:03 | bistouri | i added a anti reflection for 10€ and it offers a good protection |
| 01:22:07 | * | Nico_P has one to write for his school |
| 01:22:16 | petur | do check that I got everything right |
| 01:23:05 | Nico_P | looks like you did |
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| 01:26:10 | bistouri | For next google coding sessions, don't forget to add "port SBaGen to Rockbox" :) |
| 01:26:20 | bistouri | ^^ |
| 01:27:07 | Nico_P | petur: maybe the current SummerOfCode wiki page should be renamed to SummerOfCode2007 and a new one created for 2008 ? |
| 01:27:20 | petur | yups ;) |
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| 01:30:44 | Bam2550 | So im not aloud to ask how to play Pokemon Blue/yellow with RockBox |
| 01:30:45 | Nico_P | hmm apparently I can't rename so I think I'll leave doing that to someone with more powers :) |
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| 01:33:50 | petur | well if you can't than I will not be able too... maybe copy the text to another page and change that one ;) |
| 01:34:09 | Soap | Bam2550: You are not allowed, in this channel or on the forums, to discuss any method of obtaining said ROMs - as dumping the hardware cartridge is not a Rockbox issue. You are not allowed, in this channel or on the forums, to discuss gameplay or strategy - as that is a Nintendo fan forum type of question. You ARE allowed to ask about the procedure for using them - ASSUMING you have read the manual - which tells you how do to so, if you have a specific |
| 01:34:09 | Soap | question regarding somewhere you feel the manual is lacking we greatly welcome it. But a "I'm too lazy to read the manual - you guys are faster" type of question will not be answered, and repeated ones of that sort will not be tolerated. |
| 01:34:47 | scorche | macro! |
| 01:34:54 | Bam2550 | Thanks Soa[ |
| 01:34:57 | Nico_P | petur: I think I'll just edit the page and leave it for someone to rename |
| 01:34:57 | Bam2550 | Soap |
| 01:35:42 | Nico_P | petur: and I'll start a SummerOfCode2008 page |
| 01:35:54 | petur | \o/ |
| 01:36:48 | bistouri | Is it a real place to suggest functions or my demand is too specific ? |
| 01:37:02 | bistouri | concerning SummerOfCode2008 page |
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| 01:37:49 | petur | it's a wiki... you add, we can delete if we do not like it :p |
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| 01:40:11 | bistouri | petur: ure a legal defacer ^^ |
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| 01:45:55 | petur | Nico_P: are you still editing that wiki page? |
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| 01:46:00 | Nico_P | which ? |
| 01:46:07 | petur | SummerOfCode |
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| 01:46:10 | Nico_P | yes |
| 01:46:22 | petur | ah, I had some text prepared for it |
| 01:46:43 | Nico_P | petur: I've savec but maybe i'll do a few more changes |
| 01:46:47 | Nico_P | *saved |
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| 01:48:26 | petur | did you change much? I want to replace it with a short version that points to 2007 and 2008 (the original SummerOfCode is now in SummerOfCode2007) |
| 01:49:15 | Nico_P | clicking on the SummerOfCode2007 link I added and seeing a similar page puzzled me a lot :) |
| 01:49:31 | Nico_P | I didn't change too much, see the history |
| 01:49:59 | petur | yups... switch is complete.... |
| 01:50:21 | Nico_P | yes, it's better that way |
| 01:50:40 | Nico_P | I'll redo my changes... the aim was to try to show what we students chose from |
| 01:51:00 | petur | ok, sorry for the double work |
| 01:51:21 | Nico_P | don't worry, it wasn't much ;) |
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| 02:03:40 | Isolinear | So is there any difference in charging the iPod 5G in Rockbox vs. charging it in the OF? |
| 02:03:59 | scorche | yes |
| 02:04:33 | Isolinear | OF more efficient? |
| 02:05:03 | scorche | it can get more power off of USB |
| 02:05:41 | Isolinear | When plugged into a computer or wall charger? |
| 02:05:45 | Isolinear | Or does it even matter? |
| 02:06:05 | saratoga | both i think |
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| 02:18:34 | Bam2550 | Hey, i was looking through the Ipod Nano manual on how to put rom games on. But i couldn't find instructions. =\ Can someone point me in the right direction? Sorry for being such a newb. |
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| 02:19:16 | krazykit | Bam2550: put them in a directory. that's it. |
| 02:19:50 | Bam2550 | I heard that the extension has to be like .gb instead of .gba? is this true? |
| 02:20:08 | krazykit | .gba are gameboy advance games, presumably. those won't work. |
| 02:20:27 | Bam2550 | but someone said if i change it from .gba to .gb it will be fine |
| 02:20:32 | krazykit | someone lied. |
| 02:20:45 | Bam2550 | eh im going to try it, cant hurt right? |
| 02:20:49 | krazykit | it won't work. |
| 02:21:06 | Bam2550 | Will it hurt my ipod if it doesn't? |
| 02:21:08 | scorche | why try it if you know it wont work? |
| 02:21:17 | krazykit | it won't hurt it, but why bother? |
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| 02:21:31 | krazykit | you can't magically make a gameboy advance game a gameboy game by changing the extension |
| 02:21:46 | krazykit | you can't burn an n64 ROM to a CD and play it on a playstation, can you? |
| 02:22:17 | maxkelley | krazykit: it's a logical deduction.. gameboy games were compatible with the advance. |
| 02:22:39 | saratoga | Bam2550: why not just rename your Ipod into a Gameboy? |
| 02:22:45 | scorche | maxkelley: no it isnt because advance werent compatible on a gamboy |
| 02:22:47 | saratoga | seems easier |
| 02:23:36 | maxkelley | scorche: true, but we still don't have to harass someone because they had an idea. |
| 02:23:42 | Llorean | maxkelley: A logical deduction that's horribly faulty. DOS programs ran under windows, but I'd like to see you make Quake 4 run in DOS. |
| 02:23:43 | Bam2550 | er why is it asking "you g: isnt formatted, would you like to format now?" Sounds bad o.0 |
| 02:23:50 | scorche | maxkelley: i dont see anyone harrassing anyone else |
| 02:24:11 | maxkelley | Llorean: ok, ok.. |
| 02:24:15 | maxkelley | scorche: ? |
| 02:24:40 | scorche | maxkelley: where is anyone harrassing another person? |
| 02:25:22 | Bam2550 | Blargh, never mind, i can't connect my iPod to my computer. |
| 02:25:22 | Llorean | maxkelley: Also, while I'm here, I'd like you to be more careful giving advice. Like that time you said "just replacing the MI4 is probably enough." Please don't suggest things unless you *know* what you're talking about, spreading misinformation in the official channel just makes life harder for all of us. |
| 02:25:45 | scorche | (and is against the guidelines) |
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| 02:26:14 | maxkelley | if you're truly so concerned about it, why isn't the channel +m? |
| 02:26:26 | Llorean | Because we expect people to be mature and rational about things. |
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| 02:26:48 | Llorean | Anyone can read the manual and learn the update process before telling people how to do it. |
| 02:27:25 | maxkelley | I'm sorry, but I feel Bam2550's frustration and confusion, because it seems like every time I've come asking for help, I've gotten a dry, general response, or not one at all. |
| 02:27:48 | Llorean | maxkelley: He was told, specifically, that they will not work. How is that a "general" response? It's correct, and accurate? |
| 02:28:30 | maxkelley | It was correct, that's true. |
| 02:28:33 | Llorean | What about it is "confusing" except for the fact that he refused to accept that he was being told the truth? |
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| 02:29:17 | maxkelley | it wasn't confused, but it would have been nice to give an explanation, instead of " it just won't work." |
| 02:29:17 | Llorean | Because the person who responded to him actually told him something factually correct, rather than a guess. |
| 02:29:46 | Llorean | maxkelley: It's a gameboy emulator. He was told "gba games are gameboy advance games". What exactly needs to be added to this? |
| 02:29:56 | RudMan | he didn't need to know why, just that it doesn't work |
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| 02:30:07 | Llorean | If he asked "Why not?" then he surely would've been told more. |
| 02:30:12 | maxkelley | alright, I'm sorry for turning it into a debate. |
| 02:30:20 | Llorean | But people tend to feel your patronizing if you sit and explain every detail to them. |
| 02:30:26 | Llorean | you're, rather |
| 02:30:56 | Llorean | So, to sum things up: Give concise answers that are factually correct, expect concise answers that are factually correct, and we'll all get along fine. |
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| 02:33:54 | kenguest | hi - is there some equivalent to ctrl-alt-del in rockbox to make my iriver turn off? accidentally opened a .wmv file and now my player is hanging/crashed. |
| 02:34:06 | Thundercloud | reset button? |
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| 02:34:40 | kenguest | unfortunately I don't have any paperclips to hand! |
| 02:35:27 | maxkelley | if the battery is removable, try that. |
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| 02:38:31 | Bam2550 | w00t i fixed it |
| 02:38:37 | Bam2550 | Time to put my music back on |
| 02:40:55 | kenguest | heh. just tried the tip of a corkscrew. fixed it! |
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| 02:48:43 | komik | Hi. |
| 02:49:24 | krazykit | kenguest: do be careful with stuff like that, it'd be lame to break a chunk of plastic off your player like that |
| 02:49:42 | komik | I just put rockbox onto my 5G ipod video. I put an avi and ogg onto it and the file isnt listed when I look for it to play it. |
| 02:49:58 | komik | Anyway to fix that? |
| 02:50:10 | krazykit | i suggest reading the manual and the wiki, specifically about mpegplayer |
| 02:50:28 | krazykit | avi isn't supported, and "ogg" doesn't tell us anything about that particular file. |
| 02:50:42 | krazykit | is the "ogg" an ogg vorbis file? ogg/theora? |
| 02:50:44 | komik | Good point. |
| 02:50:50 | komik | theora |
| 02:51:14 | krazykit | you'll have to transcode that to mpeg2. the wiki tells you how to do that. |
| 02:51:34 | kenguest | krazykit: very careful |
| 02:53:19 | komik | krazykit: Thanks. |
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| 03:00:46 | XavierGr | amiconn: you are right, the debbox image with the sim crosscompiled for windows works wonders |
| 03:00:57 | XavierGr | no bugs or issues at all when running the sim from windows |
| 03:01:00 | Bam2550 | Is it possible to make an off switch on your ipod with rockbox? |
| 03:01:49 | scorche | Bam2550: what is wrong with holding play? |
| 03:02:29 | Bam2550 | Takes to long, and sometimes it just stops the song so im there in the middle of French Class trying to turn it off while Madame Frenchie walks by |
| 03:02:57 | scorche | and what button would you rather we change to off? |
| 03:03:17 | Bam2550 | Well in the normal ipod firmware there is an option on the main screen where you can click it and it goes off. |
| 03:04:17 | scorche | i cant see going into the menu, scrolling over to the option, and clicking it being faster than just holding a button |
| 03:04:29 | krazykit | or more discreet |
| 03:04:44 | scorche | indeed...you would ahve to look at the device while doing that |
| 03:05:10 | Bam2550 | Thanks for answering my question? |
| 03:05:15 | Bam2550 | Oh wait nope. |
| 03:05:34 | | Part kenguest |
| 03:05:42 | krazykit | Bam2550: you're more than welcome to code up that option. |
| 03:05:56 | Bam2550 | Well i was just wondering if there was or not. |
| 03:06:06 | Bam2550 | I guess that one guy was right... |
| 03:06:27 | scorche | Bam2550: i asked those questions to see if there really is something wrong with how it is currently set up and if it would benefit all users if we changed it |
| 03:06:39 | scorche | was right about what? |
| 03:06:56 | krazykit | Bam2550: the answer to your first question is "yes it's possible" but you'd have to code it. |
| 03:07:06 | Bam2550 | Hmm, time to learn to code? |
| 03:07:18 | Bam2550 | What language is it in? |
| 03:07:23 | krazykit | C |
| 03:07:37 | Bam2550 | Awesome |
| 03:07:46 | Bam2550 | I know a little bit of C++ o.0 |
| 03:08:13 | scorche | it would be a simple change, but you would have to replace something with it...i dont knwo what you would replace |
| 03:09:12 | Bam2550 | It doesn't sound very difficult, but it probably really isn't that easy. |
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| 03:09:38 | scorche | the hard part would be finding something to replace |
| 03:09:42 | krazykit | Bam2550: to simply change keymap, it's fairly easy. adding the menu option would be more work, but still certainly doable. |
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| 03:10:01 | webguest71 | hi everybody |
| 03:10:04 | Bam2550 | Is there a suggestion area>? |
| 03:10:16 | scorche | then there is the menu option, which i still think would be slower, and you would have to be looking at the screen |
| 03:10:18 | webguest71 | i have a question |
| 03:10:27 | webguest71 | i have a mp4 |
| 03:10:40 | webguest71 | with chip actions 2091n |
| 03:10:45 | scorche | Bam2550: feature request section int he tracker |
| 03:10:47 | Llorean | Bam2550: The idea of a "Shutdown" menu option has been discussed many times already, there's not much point in filing a feature request. |
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| 03:10:58 | Bam2550 | Okay |
| 03:11:02 | webguest71 | there are posibilities in the future use |
| 03:11:11 | webguest71 | the rockbox fw?? |
| 03:11:28 | scorche | webguest71: are you asking if rockbox could be ported to your device? |
| 03:11:37 | webguest71 | yes |
| 03:12:04 | webguest71 | my device is a mp4 chip actions 2091N |
| 03:12:10 | scorche | ports arent requested...they are done by people who have the time, capability, and the device itself to do them |
| 03:12:35 | scorche | see the wiki page NewPort for more information |
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| 03:12:58 | webguest71 | scorche what divice do youi have??? |
| 03:13:03 | scorche | i have a few |
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| 03:13:38 | webguest71 | then??? |
| 03:14:00 | scorche | hrm? |
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| 03:16:18 | Bam2550 | Meh, now i have to put RockBox back on my ipod... *cries* |
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| 03:20:56 | sin613 | is anyone aware if cpu_boost() affects coldfire targets? or is it necessary to use set_cpu_frequency()? |
| 03:23:26 | Bam2550 | wewt |
| 03:23:35 | Bam2550 | only took 3 minutes to get RockBocx |
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| 03:26:25 | Bam2550 | How do i remove all those extra themes from my ipod? |
| 03:26:36 | Bam2550 | Dumb question, nvm |
| 03:28:39 | Bam2550 | What will happen if i move all those CFG files in my \.rockbox\themes into \.rockbox\themes\randomCFGfiles |
| 03:28:53 | scorche | why do you want to do that? |
| 03:29:02 | scorche | they are a part of the theme |
| 03:29:20 | | Part hcs |
| 03:29:21 | Bam2550 | Well, when i select a theme, they are always there in my way |
| 03:29:28 | Bam2550 | (i'm going to be adding like 5 themes) |
| 03:29:41 | scorche | there is a browse themes option... |
| 03:29:48 | Soap | Bam2550: Might I refer you to section 8.3.4 of the manual. Please read it - and let us discuss any part of it you don't understand. |
| 03:29:49 | RudMan | you can just delete them if you don't want them |
| 03:30:36 | Bam2550 | Soap, rockboy? |
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| 03:31:14 | Bam2550 | Soap: 8.3.4 is RockBoy |
| 03:32:03 | scorche | Bam2550: 7.5 |
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| 03:33:03 | Bam2550 | scorche, thank you. But that still doesn't answer my question. |
| 03:33:21 | scorche | Bam2550: it solves your problem |
| 03:33:47 | Bam2550 | No it really didnt |
| 03:34:24 | scorche | your problem was "they are always in my way"...i showed you the easiest way to change themes without all of the files "getting in your way" |
| 03:34:30 | Soap | I am sorry about that Bam2550, my screen - I kid you not - was stuck on one of the many questions you have asked tonight which are addessed in the most wonderful book which is the Rockbox manual. I know I pointed you at the wrong one, but I think I could randomly pick three numbers - and put them together (4.5.6) and it would be a section of the manual you have asked questions about recently. |
| 03:35:20 | scorche | (lets ignore Soap's rant and just say to please read the manual before asking any other questions :) |
| 03:35:54 | Bam2550 | Well i still can't find my answer o.0... |
| 03:36:16 | scorche | why do you need the answer, when the problem is solved? |
| 03:36:52 | Bam2550 | How is it solved? I want to remove those CFG files, i was just wondering if it would make the Rockbox stop working |
| 03:37:01 | scorche | your problem was "they are always in my way"...i showed you the easiest way to change themes without all of the files "getting in your way" |
| 03:37:31 | Bam2550 | Yes, you said go to the View settings area... where those files are |
| 03:37:37 | Bam2550 | view themes* |
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| 03:45:09 | Bam2550 | I'm sorry about that, but i have a hijacker on my computer, and it cuts off my internet or something... |
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| 03:45:31 | Bam2550 | Also i fixed the problem, but thanks. |
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| 03:46:42 | Avarice | can anyone help me with my sansa 270 when i try to load the utility it says there is no sansa present |
| 03:47:03 | atc200es-away | quick question, where can i find the bootloader for the h10 20gb on the rockbox xite, i havent used rockbox in forever and the site has chaged soo much |
| 03:47:24 | scorche | atc200es-away: manual? |
| 03:47:42 | atc200es-away | ? no just the .mi4 file |
| 03:47:45 | Soap | "You know how dumb the average person is? Well, by definition, half of 'em are even dumber than THAT." |
| 03:47:55 | krazykit | Avarice: it's a sansa e270, not an R? are you talking about rbutilqt? |
| 03:47:59 | scorche | atc200es-away: everything you need is int he manual |
| 03:48:08 | atc200es-away | oh ok thanx |
| 03:48:46 | Avarice | its not an r as far as i know it just show e270 under my comp when its hooked up |
| 03:49:05 | krazykit | Avarice: well, does the original firmware have Rhapsody channels? |
| 03:50:10 | Avarice | there are no menus for it but the option for rhapsody is on the install disc |
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| 03:50:21 | Avarice | does that mean i have the r? |
| 03:51:25 | krazykit | if there are no menus for it, it's probably non-r |
| 03:51:52 | krazykit | Avarice: did you put the player in MSC mode? |
| 03:52:05 | Avarice | no? |
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| 03:52:25 | Avarice | didnt see that in the installation instructions |
| 03:52:56 | Avarice | did it now |
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| 03:53:45 | Avarice | i see it now |
| 03:54:15 | Avarice | on the utility i think i got it from here ill stay in chat if i run into a prob but i think i can move forward now |
| 03:54:19 | Avarice | thank you |
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| 04:16:10 | Avarice | can you bounce back and forth between the sansa firmware and roxbox firmware |
| 04:17:33 | Soap | yes, dual boot is supported Avarice. |
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| 04:23:30 | Avarice | soap could you tell me how to bounce back and forth or where i might get the info |
| 04:24:57 | Avarice | and no that i have rockbox on my sansa i cant find that MSC mode and the installer for themes and mods cant find the player |
| 04:25:18 | krazykit | you need to be in the original firmware to do USB transfers. |
| 04:26:29 | Avarice | ok how do i get back to the original firmware |
| 04:26:41 | Avarice | sorry im a uber newb |
| 04:26:43 | Avarice | lol |
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| 04:26:58 | krazykit | turn off your player, then turn it back on and hold the "back" button |
| 04:27:08 | krazykit | the |<< one |
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| 04:27:29 | krazykit | or just plug it in while it's off. that works too. |
| 04:28:19 | Avarice | and a regular reboot takes me back to rockbox |
| 04:28:31 | Avarice | it worked by the way ty |
| 04:29:41 | Avarice | i also notice that my music files dont appear in the rockbox mode any ideas on that? |
| 04:30:11 | Bam2550 | Avarice, what are you using again? |
| 04:30:16 | Bam2550 | What mp3. |
| 04:30:49 | Avarice | sansa e270 |
| 04:30:52 | Bam2550 | oh |
| 04:30:55 | Avarice | o |
| 04:30:55 | Bam2550 | never mind. |
| 04:31:30 | Avarice | have you ever had that problem of audio files not appearing on the rockbox side |
| 04:31:59 | krazykit | Avarice: if you're putting them in the Music folder, keep in mind that it's a hidden folder, and the OF makes it hidden every time you boot into it. either use rockbox's database or put your music in a different folder |
| 04:32:45 | Avarice | so anything other then the music folder and it will be on both sides? |
| 04:33:09 | Avarice | i would like to keep bounceing back and forth till i get use to roxbox. |
| 04:34:27 | krazykit | the OF should see stuff in different folders |
| 04:34:54 | Avarice | OF= original firmare? |
| 04:35:01 | Avarice | firmware |
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| 04:36:10 | krazykit | right, original firmware |
| 04:45:39 | Avarice | so what do you think is the best benefit of rockbox |
| 04:49:32 | Bam2550 | fore ipod nano 1st generation, its the ability to play videos. |
| 04:49:49 | Bam2550 | And all the super cool games you can play. (including ROMs, but i dont think we are aloud to talk about that) |
| 04:50:19 | scorche | Avarice: decide for yourself: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox |
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| 04:56:36 | Avarice | again let me thank everyone that helped me i was overwhelmed when i walked in here and now i got a grip on what rockbox is and look forward to playing with the features |
| 04:56:59 | Avarice | goodnight all |
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| 05:00:01 | Klevi | Can I have backdrop help? |
| 05:02:39 | aliask | Kevi: What's the issue? |
| 05:02:54 | aliask | Klevi, even |
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| 05:03:20 | Klevi | I put a bmp scaled properly for my sansa and nothing comes up while loading |
| 05:03:41 | aliask | While loading what? |
| 05:03:42 | Klevi | after opening it in the file browser and trying to manually set it, it fails too |
| 05:03:54 | Klevi | Oh. the backdrop image |
| 05:04:02 | aliask | How does it fail, does it say something? Or does it just not work? |
| 05:04:21 | Klevi | says Backdrop failed |
| 05:05:29 | aliask | Hrm, that's a helpful message... Can you show me the bitmap you're trying to load |
| 05:06:13 | Klevi | Yeah... DCC? |
| 05:06:19 | aliask | Sure |
| 05:06:22 | Klevi | mmk |
| 05:08:05 | aliask | Seems the DCC failed too... |
| 05:08:15 | Klevi | h/o |
| 05:08:16 | Klevi | now try |
| 05:09:15 | Klevi | your not getting an accept this box? |
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| 05:09:29 | aliask | I am, it's just saying it fails as soon as I accept |
| 05:09:36 | Klevi | huh. |
| 05:09:43 | krazykit | just put it on imageshack.us or something. |
| 05:09:46 | Klevi | Ill photobucket it |
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| 05:11:19 | Klevi | −−-> http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l15/Chiro-Aidac/Moonlight.jpg |
| 05:11:22 | Mouser_X | I'm trying to figure out how to compile Rockbox, so that I can add some patches. While cygwin was downloading the SVN, my laptop crashed. How do I check to make sure I have the whole thing, or how do I "renew" or redownload it> |
| 05:11:23 | Mouser_X | ? |
| 05:11:50 | aliask | Klevi: Well, for starters, it needs to be 176x220 resolution |
| 05:12:06 | Klevi | for the sansa c200? |
| 05:12:10 | Mouser_X | I tried "svn cleanup rockbox" and it did stuff, then I redid the SVN command thing, and it's telling me that files already exist. |
| 05:12:12 | aliask | Oh, sorry, misread |
| 05:12:13 | Klevi | Not acc. to the manual for it |
| 05:12:20 | Klevi | ah s'ok. |
| 05:12:27 | Klevi | I cant get it to size perfectly |
| 05:12:40 | Klevi | does it make all the difference? |
| 05:12:44 | krazykit | Mouser_X: you could svn update |
| 05:13:05 | aliask | Klevi: Yes, it must be 1:1 to the screen resolution |
| 05:13:36 | Mouser_X | Ah. I didn't get that far in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
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| 05:13:40 | Klevi | and something unrelatd I just remembered, Rockboy, the GBC emulator for rockbox is intergrated into rockbox now? |
| 05:13:42 | Mouser_X | Sorry, I see it now. |
| 05:13:59 | krazykit | Mouser_X: if it doesn't take care of it, rm the rockbox folder and just checkout again. |
| 05:14:22 | Mouser_X | Klevi: Yes, has been for quite sometime (at least, it's been on my Gigabeat since January.) |
| 05:14:55 | Klevi | aliask, any good suggestions for resizing programs? |
| 05:14:57 | sarixe | what's the deal with viewports? |
| 05:15:02 | Klevi | Im about to try ussing Gimp |
| 05:15:08 | aliask | Gimp is good |
| 05:15:18 | sarixe | gimp has good algos for resizing |
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| 05:16:59 | Mouser_X | cd.. isn't backing out of the rockbox folder... |
| 05:17:08 | aliask | You need a space in there |
| 05:17:12 | aliask | "cd .." |
| 05:17:15 | Mouser_X | Ah... |
| 05:17:25 | Klevi | I have an interesting feature to add to Rockbox... a choice menu whether to load the original firmware, or Rockbox? |
| 05:17:26 | Mouser_X | I'm used to DOS (at least, for that.) |
| 05:17:39 | Klevi | DOS uses cp? |
| 05:17:49 | Mouser_X | cd |
| 05:17:52 | Mouser_X | cd.. |
| 05:17:53 | aliask | well, you could hack cd.. to be an alias for cd .. |
| 05:17:56 | Klevi | er/.. yeah |
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| 05:18:05 | Klevi | Sorry |
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| 05:18:22 | Mouser_X | As long as I've ever used it, cd.. has worked. |
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| 05:18:54 | Klevi | Xchat died |
| 05:18:57 | Klevi | Sorry. |
| 05:19:23 | Mouser_X | "rm: cannot remove 'rockbox': Is a directory. |
| 05:19:25 | Mouser_X | " |
| 05:19:47 | aliask | rm -r to recursively delete a directory |
| 05:19:52 | Mouser_X | (svn update gave me the same error as attempting to redownload/checkout did.) |
| 05:19:56 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
| 05:21:57 | Klevi | aliask, to check the sansac200's res. is 130x80 |
| 05:22:14 | aliask | 132x80 iirc |
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| 05:22:25 | Klevi | My memory was close |
| 05:22:29 | Klevi | ^.^ |
| 05:22:34 | Klevi | thanks |
| 05:22:38 | Mouser_X | How do I do "yes to all"? It keeps asking me for every single thing... |
| 05:23:07 | aliask | rm -rf |
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| 05:23:15 | aliask | Careful where you point that though, I suppose |
| 05:23:45 | * | aliask has accidentally done rm -rf / as root |
| 05:23:56 | Mouser_X | Well, I'm on my laptop. There's nothing on here that's all *that* important. |
| 05:24:07 | Mouser_X | (I've got all of it somewhere else.) |
| 05:24:15 | aliask | Good good |
| 05:24:20 | Mouser_X | Thanks for the heads up though. |
| 05:25:26 | Klevi | Any idea when / if th Micro SD slot will be supported? |
| 05:25:32 | Klevi | the** |
| 05:25:51 | aliask | Shouldn't be too long really, but it's impossible to put a date on it |
| 05:26:36 | Klevi | Well the backdrop still doesnt work |
| 05:26:48 | Klevi | Dimensions are right on this time |
| 05:27:30 | sdoyon | A question about mp3_play_stop() and voice_stop() in playback.c: The pcmbuf_play_stop() at the end of voice_stop() would be useful to cut down on stuttering when shutting up the voice if it were in mp3_play_stop()... |
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| 05:28:48 | Mouser_X | How is the MoB going? As I recall, getting that implemented would help with support for small filetypes (NSF, MOD, SID, SPC, ect). |
| 05:30:03 | aliask | Klevi: Try putting the bmp file in /.rockbox/backdrops and setting it from there (you'll need to set the view file types setting to all to see .rockbox) |
| 05:32:09 | Klevi | actauly i tried it automatically and it didnt work |
| 05:32:13 | Klevi | but manually it just did |
| 05:32:33 | Klevi | I do know about putting it in Backdrops though already |
| 05:32:34 | Klevi | thanks |
| 05:32:40 | Klevi | =) |
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| 05:33:04 | aliask | So you got it working? |
| 05:34:34 | Klevi | INdeed |
| 05:34:49 | Klevi | Wait |
| 05:35:05 | Klevi | Where is "view file types" located in rockbox |
| 05:35:27 | Klevi | I use windoes so the folder doesnt get hidden by a dot in front of the name |
| 05:35:48 | aliask | Hold select on the "browse files" option in the main menu |
| 05:36:04 | aliask | I was referring to the rockbox setting |
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| 05:40:01 | Klevi | thanks |
| 05:40:07 | * | Klevi tries that |
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| 05:44:04 | Klevi | I dnt have that menu |
| 05:44:07 | Klevi | *dont |
| 05:44:46 | aliask | The main menu? |
| 05:44:57 | Klevi | no |
| 05:45:02 | Klevi | Browse files |
| 05:45:03 | Mouser_X | I just push and hold the menu button. |
| 05:45:26 | aliask | Is it just called "files"? |
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| 05:45:30 | Klevi | yah |
| 05:45:37 | aliask | Well, that then. |
| 05:45:45 | * | aliask 's memory is quite rusty |
| 05:46:12 | Klevi | lol |
| 05:46:17 | Klevi | even there i dont have that menu |
| 05:46:36 | Klevi | *option* |
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| 06:26:16 | aliask | I've managed to load a rockbox.gigabeat file (i think), but it's just making the screen go black straight away (backlight stays on). Anyone got any ideas on what I should do? How can I debug? |
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| 06:33:07 | Nimdae | just downloaded latest source package and having an error on build, wanted to stop by here before bugging it in case anyone ran into this...it's for ipod video |
| 06:33:17 | Nimdae | LD doom.elf |
| 06:33:17 | Nimdae | OBJCOPY doom.rock |
| 06:33:17 | Nimdae | make[1]: *** [rocks] Error 2 |
| 06:33:17 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Nimdae |
| 06:33:17 | Nimdae | make: *** [build] Error 2 |
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| 06:33:52 | scorche | Nimdae: that is why we have http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi |
| 06:34:14 | scorche | so you can see if the build server has the same problems...if it doesnt, it is likely on your end |
| 06:35:04 | Nimdae | ah |
| 06:35:05 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 06:35:05 | * | Nimdae looks |
| 06:35:17 | Nimdae | oh that page |
| 06:35:43 | Nimdae | well, i hadn't run into problems in the past, has the build environment requirements changed? |
| 06:36:15 | scorche | not recently |
| 06:36:22 | scorche | make clean? |
| 06:37:00 | Nimdae | this is from a clean extract |
| 06:37:11 | Nimdae | looks like i tracked it down to midi, no makefile |
| 06:37:18 | Nimdae | MAKE in midi |
| 06:37:18 | Nimdae | make[3]: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 06:37:18 | Nimdae | make[2]: *** [midi] Error 2 |
| 06:37:40 | scorche | svn revert -R |
| 06:37:41 | scorche | ? |
| 06:37:42 | Nimdae | seen some activity in midi on svn so this seems like the likely culprit |
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| 06:38:09 | Nimdae | i got the source tarball, not a svn download |
| 06:38:48 | scorche | well, it still has to be /something/ on your end, as the build servers didnt have any issue with it.. |
| 06:39:20 | aliask | Sounds like there are some files missing from the FILES file |
| 06:40:59 | Nimdae | heh, i don't have subversion installed >.> |
| 06:41:00 | * | Nimdae gets |
| 06:41:22 | stevenm | Nimdae, sorry.. looks like I broke it |
| 06:41:44 | Nimdae | ah ok |
| 06:41:57 | stevenm | thought it was OK since nothing went red.. but I guess the build never made it up there |
| 06:42:07 | Nimdae | i meant to stop by and say something earlier, but i was at work when i first had this problem |
| 06:42:27 | aliask | stevenm: I think you're supposed to comment stuff out in the SUBDIRS file with C++ style comments, not a # |
| 06:42:46 | stevenm | aliask, aah, alright |
| 06:43:13 | scorche | Nimdae: well, thanks... (this is why i say likely)...one of the few times it wasnt the reporter =) |
| 06:43:24 | aliask | Not sure if that's the cause of the problem though... |
| 06:43:26 | Nimdae | heh |
| 06:43:56 | stevenm | But no makefile? Did I accidentally wipe it out? |
| 06:44:24 | Nimdae | doesn't the FILES file dictate what makes it in the tarball? |
| 06:44:40 | aliask | That's my understanding, Nimdae |
| 06:45:13 | Nimdae | yeah, if my understanding is correct, the makefile may be in svn and may be grabbed with a svn checkout, but not in the tarball |
| 06:45:42 | stevenm | Aah.. I think I see what happened. I never touched FILES, but I didn't make that Makefile, either |
| 06:45:56 | stevenm | I can fix it real fast though |
| 06:46:00 | Nimdae | cool |
| 06:46:55 | stevenm | done |
| 06:47:26 | Nimdae | thank you, sire |
| 06:47:30 | Nimdae | *sir |
| 06:47:30 | stevenm | no problem |
| 06:47:34 | Nimdae | i'm going medieval now |
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| 06:49:08 | Nimdae | stevenm: you mentioned a missing makefile...my checkout didn't grab a makefile |
| 06:49:47 | stevenm | Nimdae, no, I mean it was missing from FILES but was in SVN the whole time |
| 06:49:53 | Nimdae | oh ok |
| 06:50:02 | stevenm | nls put it in a few days ago |
| 06:50:03 | Nimdae | just checking |
| 06:50:38 | stevenm | yeah.. he finally gave midi its own makefile. before it was just including .c files |
| 06:50:54 | stevenm | since i didn't know makefiles back then :( |
| 06:51:11 | Nimdae | i'm kinda tempted to pop some midis on my ipod to see how they play |
| 06:51:15 | stevenm | the rockbox ones are still somewhat magical |
| 06:51:33 | stevenm | I hear it doesn't work on ipod that well at all. not enough CPU |
| 06:51:40 | Nimdae | really... |
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| 06:51:53 | Nimdae | it can play oggs...but has a hard time with midis...that's like...odd |
| 06:52:02 | Nimdae | but then, has no midi hardware |
| 06:52:15 | stevenm | yeah... I hear it works well on gigabeat, and works fine on my h300 too |
| 06:52:37 | stevenm | midi files themselves are small but there is a lot of computational overhead involved in synthesis |
| 06:52:49 | stevenm | since it's based on a wavetable |
| 06:53:14 | Nimdae | yeah, like i said, no midi hardware :( |
| 06:54:31 | stevenm | yep.. else it'd be trivial to play em |
| 06:54:54 | stevenm | but hey, this is I guess the world's first firmware to support midi on a portable player |
| 06:55:16 | stevenm | which is in itself neat, even though it isn't quite useable on every target |
| 06:55:16 | Nimdae | i think my old rio claimed support |
| 06:55:25 | stevenm | wow, really? |
| 06:55:27 | Nimdae | i could be wrong |
| 06:55:53 | stevenm | i wonder how they did it |
| 06:56:03 | Nimdae | let me rephrase that, i'm usually wrong |
| 06:56:04 | Nimdae | heh |
| 06:56:28 | Nimdae | ok, just dumped some midis on there |
| 06:56:50 | stevenm | it will likely complain at lack of patchset |
| 06:57:20 | stevenm | ie, the 22 meg set of instrument sounds |
| 06:57:34 | stevenm | which decompresses to ~40 mb :) |
| 06:57:35 | Nimdae | yeah, it did |
| 06:57:52 | Nimdae | is there a free patchset? |
| 06:57:53 | stevenm | stevenm/patchset.tbz2">http://wam.umd.edu/~stevenm/patchset.tbz2 |
| 06:57:55 | stevenm | yea |
| 06:57:57 | Nimdae | hah |
| 06:58:16 | stevenm | i wish we could host it somewhere on the RB site |
| 06:58:30 | stevenm | and i ought to probably repackage it as .zip |
| 06:58:44 | stevenm | untar that into .rockbox |
| 06:59:14 | Nimdae | ok |
| 06:59:35 | Nimdae | decent bandwidth at least |
| 07:00 |
| 07:00:21 | stevenm | university pipe :) |
| 07:00:55 | Nimdae | 500 kb/s |
| 07:01:19 | Nimdae | brb, gonna make a backup of rockbox, update, and put in patchset |
| 07:04:30 | Nimdae | wow...working with my ipod in linux is clumsy |
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| 07:06:36 | stevenm | heh |
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| 07:08:57 | Nimdae | nice error message..."Crap... null waveform..." |
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| 07:10:50 | Nimdae | yeah, none of these are playing |
| 07:11:56 | Nimdae | and there doesn't seem to be a way to get out of the midi player |
| 07:12:26 | stevenm | Whaa? |
| 07:12:38 | stevenm | "Null waveform??" |
| 07:12:47 | stevenm | Do you mind if I have a copy of that file? |
| 07:12:52 | Nimdae | yeah, i get a bunch of tohse and no audio |
| 07:12:57 | Nimdae | sec, i'll link you to what i downloaded |
| 07:13:02 | stevenm | I haven't seen that error in a long, long time |
| 07:13:05 | Nimdae | http://www.final-fantasy-7.net/ff7-midis.php |
| 07:13:05 | stevenm | Thanks |
| 07:13:18 | stevenm | which file? |
| 07:13:28 | Nimdae | i haven't had a single one not say it so far |
| 07:13:41 | Nimdae | aerith.mid for example in ff7midis.zip |
| 07:14:23 | Nimdae | oh wow, i got sound briefly, it was a screech, then silence...like the audio just died |
| 07:14:42 | stevenm | let's see |
| 07:15:17 | stevenm | That is uber strange |
| 07:15:22 | stevenm | Playing on H300 |
| 07:15:27 | Nimdae | weird |
| 07:15:33 | Nimdae | let me copy over patchfiles again |
| 07:15:47 | stevenm | maybe patch set did not get installed right? |
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| 07:16:08 | stevenm | some notes sound really strange, though. I need to kick pitch bend up to 14 bits |
| 07:16:26 | Nimdae | i should have a patchset subdirectory under .rockbox, right? |
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| 07:16:34 | stevenm | right |
| 07:18:49 | Nimdae | maybe it's a problem with my build of rockbox |
| 07:19:00 | stevenm | doubt it would be.. |
| 07:19:04 | stevenm | unless i just broke it... |
| 07:19:05 | stevenm | woops |
| 07:19:07 | stevenm | let's check taht |
| 07:19:45 | stevenm | no.. runs on sim too |
| 07:20:27 | Nimdae | h300 and ipod are both pp processors right? |
| 07:21:34 | Nimdae | weird |
| 07:21:43 | Nimdae | i re-copied rockbox |
| 07:21:51 | Nimdae | re-copied patchset |
| 07:21:53 | Nimdae | and it plays |
| 07:22:04 | Nimdae | well, for a few seconds, then scrolls buffer miss |
| 07:22:15 | stevenm | sounds about right |
| 07:22:27 | stevenm | buffer miss = plays it faster than it can produce it |
| 07:22:34 | stevenm | ie, not enough CPU |
| 07:24:01 | Nimdae | heh, it can play a couple instruments at once, that's about it |
| 07:24:14 | Nimdae | once you throw in a 4th or so, it spazzes out |
| 07:24:24 | stevenm | i wonder if ipods have two cores, and you can use both? |
| 07:24:33 | Nimdae | it does |
| 07:24:40 | Nimdae | mpegplayer uses second core |
| 07:24:51 | stevenm | midi player can probably use it as well |
| 07:26:16 | Nimdae | oh wow, clarinet sounds aweful |
| 07:26:36 | Llorean | Nimdae: H300 is coldfire |
| 07:26:46 | Nimdae | ah ok |
| 07:26:52 | Llorean | H10 (not H100) is the PP iRiver |
| 07:28:12 | stevenm | yes, yes it does. I have no idea why. |
| 07:28:28 | stevenm | 16 bit precision and pitch control do not help |
| 07:28:49 | stevenm | maybe a better precision gus table.. but the one used came from their docs |
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| 07:29:21 | stevenm | their patches have a 'tune' parameter, maybe that tunes the root frequency? but there is virtually zero doc on that |
| 07:30:13 | Nimdae | might i make a suggestion? make it fail if it hits a large amount of buffer misses |
| 07:30:26 | stevenm | probably |
| 07:30:32 | Nimdae | if they get too intense, have to reboot ipod |
| 07:30:43 | stevenm | but right now, I am going to bed |
| 07:30:51 | Nimdae | same |
| 07:30:55 | stevenm | get up early and today i spent 5 hours hacking on compsci |
| 07:30:59 | stevenm | too much programming |
| 07:31:11 | Nimdae | heh |
| 07:31:20 | Nimdae | at least you just have university to worry about |
| 07:31:38 | stevenm | "just" - it's all relative |
| 07:31:44 | stevenm | fun with the operating systems class |
| 07:31:54 | stevenm | and the weird research stuff that doesn't always quite work |
| 07:32:25 | Nimdae | anyway, thanks for the fix, i'm off |
| 07:32:46 | stevenm | np |
| 07:32:47 | stevenm | byebye |
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| 07:36:25 | toffe82 | is there a function which give the height of a font ? |
| 07:37:17 | scorche | toffe82: most fonts say in the name |
| 07:38:14 | toffe82 | scorche: so I have to read the name to find the height ? there is no other way ? |
| 07:38:24 | aliask | toffe82: font_getstringsize |
| 07:38:41 | aliask | That gets the size of the current font. |
| 07:38:48 | toffe82 | aliask: thanks |
| 07:38:49 | scorche | ah =) |
| 07:42:39 | toffe82 | aliask: it return the width not the height |
| 07:43:41 | aliask | int (*font_getstringsize)(const unsigned char *str, int *w, int *h, int fontnumber); <−−- from plugin.h |
| 07:45:01 | toffe82 | aliask: ok, I have to read a little more ;) |
| 07:47:06 | toffe82 | better go to bed , good night |
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| 08:52:37 | GodEater_ | anyone have the crank handle for the forums lying around ? They appear to need winding up again. |
| 08:53:06 | Ebert | the wps page needs winding |
| 08:53:13 | Ebert | there needs to be a contest or something |
| 08:53:35 | GodEater_ | there already is a contest |
| 08:53:39 | GodEater_ | it's kind of died |
| 08:54:11 | Ebert | where was it announced/ |
| 08:54:35 | GodEater_ | in the WPS forum |
| 08:54:39 | GodEater_ | funnily enough |
| 08:54:54 | Ebert | needs to be on front page.. some ppl (like me) hate forums |
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| 08:55:51 | GodEater_ | There's only so much we can put on the front page, and it's already overcrowded |
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| 09:29:09 | GodEater_ | attention .se people |
| 09:29:32 | * | B4gder puts coffee cup down and sits straight |
| 09:29:39 | GodEater_ | were we to move the forums to the main rockbox servers, we think we'd be looking at around 90GB/Month of traffic |
| 09:29:43 | GodEater_ | is that realistic ? |
| 09:29:51 | GodEater_ | or would we need more help to suck that up ? |
| 09:30:02 | | Part Llorean |
| 09:30:12 | B4gder | 90GB sounds a bit underestimated |
| 09:30:29 | GodEater_ | Llorean says we get around 28K views a day |
| 09:30:36 | GodEater_ | and we're working on around 100K per view |
| 09:30:49 | GodEater_ | it's all very "finger in the air" maths ;) |
| 09:31:02 | BigBambi_ | *back of the envelope* |
| 09:31:08 | GodEater_ | or cigarette packet |
| 09:31:28 | BigBambi_ | not any more |
| 09:31:42 | B4gder | but anyway, the main thing I feel about it is that it would bring yet another service to maintain and nurse, and not as much about the bandwidth |
| 09:31:45 | GodEater_ | you could steal someone else's ? |
| 09:32:08 | GodEater_ | B4gder: this is true - but the "maintenance" we're getting on Jeff's server frankly sucks at the moment |
| 09:32:22 | B4gder | yeah, it's far from perfect |
| 09:32:30 | BigBambi_ | B4gder: It is mainly how they never work in the mornings in Europe |
| 09:32:38 | B4gder | I know |
| 09:33:24 | GodEater_ | is your "maintain and nurse" feeling because it would be you (or Zagor, or LinusN) having to DO the maintenance/nursing ? |
| 09:33:33 | B4gder | yes |
| 09:34:06 | GodEater_ | are there none of us clueful types you'd trust to do it for you ? |
| 09:34:12 | Zagor | personally I think we could have the forums anywhere, just as we do today. no need to bring them into our .se cluster |
| 09:35:15 | GodEater_ | also true - but the list of places to host it off the top of my head is very short at the moment |
| 09:35:25 | GodEater_ | I don't mind asking positive again, but I've no idea what they'd say |
| 09:36:04 | LinusN | interesting... the rockbox forum is down, but not misticriver |
| 09:36:16 | GodEater_ | so unfair ;) |
| 09:37:12 | GodEater_ | wonder if it's a difference in the forum software |
| 09:37:18 | GodEater_ | they seem to use vbulletin |
| 09:38:51 | LinusN | mayve |
| 09:38:54 | LinusN | maybe |
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| 10:34:28 | Zagor | we need more magic |
| 10:37:16 | markun | Zagor: what for? |
| 10:37:38 | Zagor | the magic lowlight committed last night is not good enough |
| 10:37:58 | Zagor | my c200 freezes before entering usb mode |
| 10:38:14 | * | GodEater_ looks for his wans |
| 10:38:14 | Zagor | before starting the OF, rather |
| 10:38:17 | GodEater_ | er |
| 10:38:17 | GodEater_ | wand |
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| 10:43:34 | pixelma | Zagor: do you have both applied - low_light's reset to OF and uncommented the USB stack? (just wondering) |
| 10:44:10 | Zagor | no, I downloaded the current build to test his reset |
| 10:45:57 | Zagor | the reset itself works, but the booting into OF doesn't. |
| 10:46:23 | Zagor | probably more hw init needed |
| 10:46:38 | pixelma | but boot into the OF when the device is off still works? I'm hesitating a bit to try |
| 10:46:51 | Zagor | yes, OF after power-off still works fine |
| 10:47:34 | pixelma | ok, I'll try too soom |
| 10:47:37 | pixelma | *soon |
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| 10:48:34 | pixelma | hmm... timestamps in the buidtable and in the subversion table on the frontpage differ an hour |
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| 10:51:15 | Zagor | timezones are difficult :) |
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| 11:45:52 | squidink | where can I view/enable output from logf() calls? |
| 11:46:48 | petur | make a build with logf enabled |
| 11:47:03 | markun | squidink: I think you can dump it to a file in the debug menu |
| 11:47:07 | petur | it gets written to the remote and to disk iirc |
| 11:47:56 | petur | ah, might need an action from you to write it to disk |
| 11:49:50 | squidink | where do I enable it? is it DEBUG= in the makefile? |
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| 11:50:07 | markun | squidink: when you run configure |
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| 11:51:03 | squidink | thanks |
| 11:54:23 | GodEater_ | my ipod has decided to power itself on twice now this morning |
| 11:54:52 | pondlife | Ah, the signal from Jobs... |
| 11:54:58 | GodEater_ | hehe |
| 11:55:11 | pondlife | All iPods: Rise up and conquer |
| 11:55:13 | GodEater_ | of course - why didn't I think of that |
| 11:55:21 | petur | it wants to get upgraded to the latest rockbox ;) |
| 11:55:35 | GodEater_ | it can't until the scrollwheel patch gets commited |
| 11:56:29 | pondlife | Maybe "The Signal" is also causing the Nano problem? |
| 11:56:35 | GodEater_ | I'm not going back to that jerkiness again |
| 11:56:40 | GodEater_ | maybe |
| 11:58:30 | linuxstb | Do we know when these mysterious wakeups started? |
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| 11:59:12 | GodEater_ | months ago |
| 11:59:17 | petur | maybe we are programming an rtc alarm without knowing it ;) |
| 11:59:19 | GodEater_ | but I couldn't pin it down precisely |
| 11:59:29 | linuxstb | My suspicion is r12522 from February - "Add wake on alarm support for Ipods. Rename HAVE_ALARM_MOD to HAVE_ALARM_RTC since it's not always a mod. Make Ipod PCF driver keep other flags in OOCC1 that have been set instead of overwriting them." |
| 11:59:33 | GodEater_ | I do remember some mornings waking up and finding the ipod completely DEAD |
| 11:59:45 | GodEater_ | but I figured I'd just run it down more than I thought the day before |
| 11:59:53 | GodEater_ | but now I believe it was coming on in the middle of the night |
| 11:59:58 | GodEater_ | and just playing itself into the grave |
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| 12:00:05 | pondlife | Zombie iPods, comin' t' getcha |
| 12:01:50 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Are you saying that you're not running the latest Rockbox because of the scrollwheel? |
| 12:02:08 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: I'm saying I'm running a custom build of my own recipe using the scrollwheel patch :) |
| 12:02:36 | GodEater_ | 7738 improves the scrollwheel SO much I'd find it hard to go back |
| 12:02:40 | linuxstb | So you could test something? |
| 12:02:45 | GodEater_ | I could |
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| 12:04:24 | linuxstb | You could change the function pcf50605_standby_mode() in firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c from the current contents to just "pcf50605_write(OOCC1, GOSTDBY | CHGWAK | EXTONWAK);" |
| 12:05:30 | GodEater_ | this would be the rtc code you just mentioned ? |
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| 12:07:18 | linuxstb | Sort of. The pcf50605 is the power management chip, and that function puts it into standby mode, and sets the wakeup conditions. That changed with the alarm commit. |
| 12:09:01 | GodEater_ | so remove both lines that are currently there, and add your one from above ? |
| 12:09:17 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 12:09:26 | GodEater_ | ok |
| 12:09:57 | linuxstb | The reverse of this change - http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c?r1=12129&r2=12522 |
| 12:12:36 | * | GodEater_ compiles |
| 12:13:01 | * | GodEater_ wonders what will constitute a successful test |
| 12:13:37 | linuxstb | If it never wakes up by itself... ;) |
| 12:13:54 | GodEater_ | it goes days sometimes without doing that |
| 12:14:02 | GodEater_ | and then, as today, it does it twice in one morning =/ |
| 12:14:51 | linuxstb | OK, then you need to stare at your ipod video 24 hours a day for the next month, and let us know what happens. |
| 12:14:58 | pondlife | lol |
| 12:15:06 | pondlife | No blinking either |
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| 12:16:40 | GodEater_ | :`( |
| 12:17:14 | * | GodEater_ adds this info to the forum thread |
| 12:18:12 | linuxstb | GodEater_: BTW, getting that function wrong could potentially send your ipod to sleep forever... (well, until you disconnect the battery) |
| 12:18:25 | GodEater_ | nooooow you tell me |
| 12:18:37 | bluebrother | even disabling the reset sequence? |
| 12:19:06 | GodEater_ | that would be impressive come to think of it |
| 12:19:55 | linuxstb | bluebrother: According to an IPL dev who did exactly that, yes. |
| 12:20:24 | bluebrother | wow. And I usually claim that sequence will work always ... |
| 12:20:34 | GodEater_ | holding "Play" on boot is the way to boot iPL is it not ? |
| 12:20:43 | bluebrother | yep |
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| 12:22:26 | * | GodEater_ trusts that linuxstb knows his stuff, and applies his freshly baked build to his iPod. |
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| 12:24:30 | pondlife | Maybe we should have an option under "Debug Menu (Keep Out!)" that reads "Sleep Forever (Keep Out!)".? |
| 12:24:43 | linuxstb | With a nice brick icon? |
| 12:24:49 | pondlife | Of course. |
| 12:25:03 | pondlife | And the manual will say "Never select this option." |
| 12:25:08 | B4gder | brickstation! |
| 12:25:17 | * | B4gder goes back to sleep |
| 12:25:39 | linuxstb | Just call it "Halo 3 (Keep Out!)" |
| 12:25:51 | * | bluebrother notices the typo "Degub scrollweel" :) |
| 12:26:24 | * | pondlife imagines a dirty scrollwheel, with lots of gub attached. |
| 12:27:20 | GodEater_ | you mean a scrollweel of course |
| 12:27:25 | GodEater_ | not a scrollwheel |
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| 12:29:14 | B4gder | I degub my weel all the time |
| 12:29:17 | bluebrother | hmm, that screen is too wide for the minis lcd. |
| 12:29:34 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: you'll be pleased to hear my ipod turns on and off just fine after your hackery ;) |
| 12:30:55 | * | bluebrother starts to like the bootloader usb mode in the Ipod |
| 12:31:05 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: [OT] have you noticed Geoff "PS3 Linux" Levand hangs out in #gentoo-ppc64 ? :) |
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| 12:34:41 | bluebrother | hmm, the scrollwheel accelleration patch makes the wheel a bit to sensitive imo. Scrolling down exactly one item gets rather hard ... |
| 12:35:43 | * | amiconn_ never observed ipod auto power on |
| 12:36:24 | * | preglow neither |
| 12:36:32 | amiconn_ | But then I don't have it resume on startup, so it might in fact power on without me noticing it. Auto power off will shut it down again |
| 12:36:33 | preglow | and i use alarm a lot at times |
| 12:36:46 | amiconn_ | ...within 3 minutes |
| 12:36:56 | Soap | ease in selecting one item / deacceleration on-demand was one of jhMikeS's focuses when he wrote the original patch for the Sansa, and reading flyspray comments one of the larger disagreements (in implementation) he had with the iPod version writer |
| 12:37:00 | preglow | mine sits right next to me all the time while i'm at the computer, so i'm fairly sure i'd notice it, though |
| 12:37:40 | preglow | have anyone noticed it always wakes up at some specific time? when i think about it, i don't know what values retailos keeps in the alarm regs at default |
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| 12:38:25 | amiconn_ | preglow: Are you sitting at your computer 24 hours a day? ;) |
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| 12:38:49 | B4gder | he's an impressive bot |
| 12:39:07 | preglow | i've been known to sit here for long streaks of time |
| 12:39:12 | preglow | just saying odds are good i should have seen it |
| 12:39:29 | preglow | but perhaps the fact that i AM using the alarm makes me not see it |
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| 12:39:40 | preglow | i'd be curious to know if the affected people have ever used the alarm functionality |
| 12:39:51 | preglow | this might be some issue of uninitialized registers |
| 12:39:52 | maxkelley | preglow: If you don't sleep, why would you need the alarm? :P |
| 12:39:53 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: you can still adjust the sensitivity though |
| 12:40:24 | bluebrother | in the display menu? |
| 12:40:30 | GodEater_ | preglow: my wakes up at entirely random times |
| 12:40:35 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: should be yes |
| 12:40:40 | bluebrother | or is there any other setting I missed? |
| 12:40:42 | preglow | GodEater_: ever used the alarm? |
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| 12:40:59 | GodEater_ | preglow: never have no |
| 12:41:00 | preglow | as in even just tried it |
| 12:41:08 | GodEater_ | *never* :) |
| 12:41:08 | preglow | then that might be it, try doing so and see if it happens again |
| 12:41:23 | preglow | i'm fairly sure this is it if the problem is the alarm code at all |
| 12:41:23 | GodEater_ | preglow: why would that be it ? |
| 12:41:38 | preglow | because the alarm time regs might be left in whatever state they were in |
| 12:41:54 | preglow | and i can't remember if i handle that scenario, i'll check it out now |
| 12:41:56 | GodEater_ | so do what? use the alarm, and then turn it off again ? |
| 12:42:01 | preglow | yeah |
| 12:42:02 | preglow | just set it |
| 12:42:05 | preglow | then forget it |
| 12:42:10 | * | GodEater_ has just used linuxstb's hack |
| 12:42:12 | GodEater_ | will this matter ? |
| 12:42:17 | preglow | i don't know what his hack is |
| 12:42:21 | GodEater_ | read up |
| 12:42:41 | GodEater_ | <linuxstb> You could change the function pcf50605_standby_mode() in firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c from the current contents to just "pcf50605_write(OOCC1, GOSTDBY | CHGWAK | EXTONWAK);" |
| 12:42:50 | GodEater_ | that's what I've just done |
| 12:43:21 | preglow | right, not keeping the old wake values |
| 12:43:30 | preglow | that might be it too, yes |
| 12:43:41 | preglow | but i kind of suspect i'm right too |
| 12:44:21 | preglow | i've never seen any other values in OOCC1 anyway, i just put in retaning the old flags in case something unforeseen happened, you don't want to screw around too much with OOCC1 |
| 12:44:22 | GodEater_ | we won't be able to tell which is correct until I revert back to the old code though I assume ? |
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| 12:44:51 | GodEater_ | yeah, linuxstb also said something to that effect AFTER I'd done the build :) |
| 12:45:04 | preglow | that code is harmless, though |
| 12:45:07 | preglow | but still |
| 12:45:39 | preglow | but yeah, my commit is almost certainly the culprit |
| 12:47:05 | GodEater_ | if I suggest your fix to others in the forum thread on the subject |
| 12:47:19 | GodEater_ | I'm assuming they don't have to wait for the alarm to actually trigger before they turn it off again yes ? |
| 12:47:25 | preglow | you tried the alarm now, btw? |
| 12:47:32 | preglow | i'd be keen to see the register values |
| 12:47:34 | GodEater_ | no - I asked a question above |
| 12:47:49 | preglow | don't have to wait, no |
| 12:48:10 | preglow | you skilled enough to cook up code to view the alarm reg contents, btw? |
| 12:48:15 | preglow | or shall i cook up a patch? |
| 12:48:38 | GodEater_ | well I've never looked at the alarm register code |
| 12:48:41 | GodEater_ | I could do it |
| 12:48:48 | GodEater_ | but it'd be quicker if you did though I suspect |
| 12:49:05 | GodEater_ | I'm happy to apply whatever patch to my tree |
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| 12:49:34 | preglow | ok, i'll cook up a patch now |
| 12:49:39 | preglow | just gimme a sec |
| 12:49:50 | * | GodEater_ guesses he'd have to hack in debug_menu.c or somesuch |
| 12:50:00 | preglow | prolly the nicest spot for it, yeah |
| 12:50:25 | * | preglow has to find the datasheet first too |
| 12:51:06 | GodEater_ | it could just be me |
| 12:51:18 | GodEater_ | but it looks like there's pcf506060 stuff in there already |
| 12:51:20 | GodEater_ | but only for H300 |
| 12:52:46 | GodEater_ | hm - no - just a #include for it |
| 12:54:47 | GodEater_ | <−− dumbass, I want pcf50605 anyway |
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| 12:55:45 | preglow | what ipod've you got? i'll just assume there's space left at the bottom of view i/o ports |
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| 12:57:07 | GodEater_ | should be - I have the 5.5G 80GB |
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| 12:57:32 | GodEater_ | yeah - there's plenty of space |
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| 13:00:17 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: WRT to the ipod scrollwheel patch, I find moving just one item is easiest by just rolling my thumb a little to the left or right rather than actually sliding it. This is what I used to do on the OF too - so I guess it doesn't bother me. |
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| 13:03:51 | squidink | what does a Stkov power panic likely refer to? |
| 13:04:13 | GodEater_ | a stack overflow in the power handling ? |
| 13:04:20 | squidink | ah |
| 13:05:25 | preglow | GodEater_: kiedoke, patch coming up |
| 13:05:40 | squidink | that might be from too many local variables, no? |
| 13:05:43 | GodEater_ | pastebin, or tracker ? |
| 13:05:58 | preglow | GodEater_: www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/lollerskates.patch |
| 13:06:04 | GodEater_ | hahaha |
| 13:06:12 | linuxstb | squidink: It could either be the power thread using too much stack, or something else in Rockbox overwriting the power thread's stack. |
| 13:06:24 | preglow | GodEater_: view i/o ports should have a Wake: entry now, just give me those numbers |
| 13:08:03 | GodEater_ | preglow: build now |
| 13:08:05 | GodEater_ | er |
| 13:08:06 | GodEater_ | building |
| 13:08:28 | * | GodEater_ had to revert the debug_scrollwheel patch |
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| 13:10:12 | GodEater_ | bloody linux's delayed write behaviour is starting to annoy me |
| 13:10:20 | preglow | it's been pissing me off for years |
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| 13:10:37 | preglow | i can do a bloody copy to the nano, wait for half an hour, try to unplug and THEN linux decides to flush for a minute |
| 13:10:59 | preglow | delayed is ok, but it should start bloody writing as soon as possible |
| 13:11:05 | GodEater_ | Wake: 48 31 10 7 27 9 7 |
| 13:11:13 | preglow | yeah, that looks interesting... |
| 13:11:14 | GodEater_ | this is without going near the alarm settings yet |
| 13:11:20 | preglow | don't do that |
| 13:11:25 | preglow | i'll see if i can predict the next wakeup |
| 13:11:28 | preglow | if i can, that's surely the bug |
| 13:12:21 | GodEater_ | ah damn - sorry - looked away from the screen |
| 13:12:29 | GodEater_ | already fiddled with the alarm :( |
| 13:12:33 | preglow | :/ |
| 13:12:34 | preglow | oh well |
| 13:13:05 | Zagor | preglow: add sync,dirsync to your mount options |
| 13:13:22 | preglow | Zagor: will that slow down writing as well or just flush when possible? |
| 13:13:27 | Zagor | actually sync is enough |
| 13:13:41 | Zagor | it will bypass the buffer |
| 13:13:43 | bluebrother | using sync on a flash drive might not be a good idea though |
| 13:13:52 | preglow | Zagor: but i don't want that, writing will be dog slow then |
| 13:13:53 | Zagor | or if it actually does an immediate flush, I'm not sure |
| 13:14:19 | preglow | i want it to buffer, but flush the buffer when nothing else is happening |
| 13:14:35 | Zagor | why not just unmount it? |
| 13:14:39 | bluebrother | if you use sync it will write every update to the FAT immediately which could decrease the lifetime of the flash noticably |
| 13:14:54 | preglow | Zagor: nice to leave the nano charging after writing, for example |
| 13:14:56 | B4gder | well, 100000 writes is a minimum these days... |
| 13:15:02 | bluebrother | just call sync manually |
| 13:15:09 | Zagor | preglow: surely it will charge even when unmounted? |
| 13:15:15 | preglow | Zagor: true |
| 13:15:16 | preglow | anyway |
| 13:15:29 | * | linuxstb normally leaves his ipod attached, but unmounted, and it charges |
| 13:15:33 | preglow | i just don't get the behaviour of not flushing when nothing is happening |
| 13:15:35 | preglow | it's kinda breaindead |
| 13:15:54 | bluebrother | time for lunch ... |
| 13:15:55 | Zagor | preglow: it's efficient |
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| 13:16:37 | Zagor | if the file system is still mounted, odds are you will write to it again. so why flush? |
| 13:16:41 | GodEater_ | I guess it's difficult to know when "nothing is happening" |
| 13:16:42 | preglow | Zagor: well, sure, i save some extra cpu cycles while already idling |
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| 13:17:21 | tumu | i think the flushing is configurable in /proc |
| 13:17:24 | preglow | just annoys me, i would have tried to keep memory flushed if i could so no delays would occur if i needed that memory, like when starting another prorgram |
| 13:17:34 | preglow | right now, linux would have to bloody flush the buffer to my nano, then start allocating the mem |
| 13:17:50 | preglow | an altogether slow procedure |
| 13:17:59 | Zagor | preglow: nah, it'd rather swap stuff out to disk instead |
| 13:18:10 | preglow | yeah, another not too efficient procedure |
| 13:18:21 | * | GodEater_ goes off to lunch |
| 13:18:22 | preglow | better to flush stuff when nothing happens |
| 13:18:41 | Zagor | right. but that's a border-line exception. surely you don't want to optimise borderline cases at the expense of normal usage? |
| 13:18:54 | preglow | *shrug*, i see this as pretty normal usage |
| 13:19:02 | Zagor | "when nothing happens" is only true in each very instant. the next could be very busy. |
| 13:19:08 | preglow | at least i'm annoyed by it all the time during normal usage |
| 13:19:19 | Zagor | how do you notice it? |
| 13:19:38 | preglow | when i need to wait for ages while stuff flushes? |
| 13:19:45 | B4gder | I hear people complain about this, but I've never ever felt it being a problem |
| 13:19:59 | B4gder | possibly because i umount much earlier |
| 13:20:00 | squidink | where can I find data about what happened in a stkov? |
| 13:20:21 | B4gder | squidink: nowhere really, you need to read code and research |
| 13:20:34 | B4gder | stkov is a stack overflow so something broke the stack |
| 13:20:38 | preglow | usage patterns i guess, it never happens in windows, though |
| 13:20:44 | preglow | but that's also slightly slower at actually writing |
| 13:21:02 | Zagor | windows uses sync writing for removable devices |
| 13:21:07 | squidink | B4dger: Is there a stack trace or anything of the sort? |
| 13:21:15 | B4gder | squidink: nope |
| 13:21:20 | preglow | Zagor: it has to do _some_ kind of buffering, or it'd be even slower |
| 13:21:42 | preglow | some programs in windows seems to override it and are _very_ slow as a result |
| 13:21:43 | preglow | like winrar |
| 13:22:07 | Zagor | just curious: are you using usb 1.1? |
| 13:22:12 | preglow | usb2 |
| 13:22:12 | tumu | w2k buffers for removables |
| 13:22:24 | preglow | Zagor: doesn't matter much for nano anyway :P |
| 13:22:30 | Zagor | ah, nano is slow. ok |
| 13:22:42 | squidink | Is there any way to view the logf buffer while the thing's running, without a remote? |
| 13:22:48 | preglow | Zagor: yeah, very much so. this isn't much of a problem for my hd devices |
| 13:22:58 | Zagor | tumu: not the w2k on my wife's computer |
| 13:23:26 | preglow | anywho, i don't know where the hell i specify mount options for automount stuff here anyway :) |
| 13:23:32 | squidink | like a split-screen kind of arrangement? |
| 13:23:34 | petur | Zagor: it is a setting |
| 13:23:56 | Zagor | petur: yeah, but I'm pretty sure I (nor she) haven't changed anything |
| 13:24:02 | linuxstb | preglow: I would just disable automounting and mount/umount as needed... |
| 13:24:07 | tumu | Zagor, that's weird, mine has always buffered and because of that, it complains if removables are removed without ejecting them |
| 13:24:12 | preglow | linuxstb: oh no i won't |
| 13:24:13 | preglow | haha |
| 13:24:17 | preglow | i get easily annoyed at that |
| 13:24:24 | linuxstb | preglow: I think of mounting an external disk the same as being root - just do it when you need it |
| 13:24:25 | preglow | i like automounting |
| 13:24:38 | Zagor | tumu: oh, complains it does. but the settings still say "no cache" or whatever it's called |
| 13:24:47 | preglow | the less typing i need to do, the better |
| 13:24:52 | linuxstb | preglow: But then you lose control, and have the problem you're having now... |
| 13:25:20 | preglow | linuxstb: sync as a mount option isn't an option anyway |
| 13:25:22 | linuxstb | preglow: Script it - "mount /ipod" isn't hard, but you could just call it "i"... |
| 13:25:37 | preglow | i'm on ubuntu so i'd have to do "sudo i" :P |
| 13:25:47 | linuxstb | No, add "user" to /etc/fstab |
| 13:26:17 | preglow | true |
| 13:26:27 | preglow | but like i said, sync as a mount option is very slow |
| 13:26:52 | preglow | i like the buffering, i just wish it flushed from time to time, and i believe that's moving far into kernel configuration territory |
| 13:27:03 | Zagor | preglow: add 'sync' to your crontab ;) |
| 13:27:07 | preglow | haha |
| 13:27:10 | B4gder | yay |
| 13:27:37 | preglow | GodEater_: anyway, according to these values, your ipod shouldn't be waking very often |
| 13:28:27 | preglow | GodEater_: it should wake around 10:31:48, 27.9.2007, familiar date, that... |
| 13:28:38 | * | preglow checks if he's reading the right bloody registers |
| 13:28:47 | preglow | and indeed he is |
| 13:28:51 | preglow | weird... |
| 13:29:26 | preglow | GodEater_: it didn't happen to wake around then, did it? :V |
| 13:30:01 | linuxstb | preglow: I think he's at lunch, but he posted a message at about 10.50 saying his ipod woke twice this morning.... |
| 13:30:26 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, just spamming him for when he comes back, i might need to go soon |
| 13:31:17 | linuxstb | So was the alarm wake-up flag being set as well? |
| 13:32:21 | preglow | didn't check that, i just assumed it was if this was the problem |
| 13:32:30 | preglow | anyway, how the hell did those values end up in those regs? |
| 13:32:44 | preglow | rockbox doesn't have the code to do that, it always writes constant values to the last four of them |
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| 13:32:48 | * | Nico_P feels the gradient patch (FS #7808) is ready to be committed |
| 13:32:50 | preglow | and always 0 to the seconds register |
| 13:33:11 | linuxstb | Maybe the OF sets it? |
| 13:33:36 | preglow | linuxstb: do all these people use of lots, then? |
| 13:33:44 | preglow | some of them said they never do |
| 13:34:09 | linuxstb | preglow: No idea... It could even be the bootloader (although I can't imagine why...) |
| 13:34:23 | preglow | i've never had the bootloader do anything of the kind, that's for sure |
| 13:34:31 | preglow | and after disassembling, i'm quite sure it never even touched those regs |
| 13:34:58 | linuxstb | Maybe it was something added in more recent Nano/5g firmwares... |
| 13:35:31 | preglow | perhaps |
| 13:35:38 | preglow | lord knows why, though |
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| 13:36:51 | linuxstb | But anyway, would the fix be to always set the alarm registers in the standby function? |
| 13:37:07 | linuxstb | or is there somewhere else we could always do it? |
| 13:37:33 | preglow | i don't really know what to do, i guess we could check if wake on alarm is enabled, then don't touch them |
| 13:37:43 | preglow | but if it isn't, clear them to default so it'll never wake |
| 13:37:52 | preglow | i think the bl always enables wake on alarm |
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| 13:47:33 | preglow | is there any way of adding a setting such that it doesn't really get a menu entry, but can be changed in theme files? |
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| 13:51:33 | pixelma | that "horizontal scroll" once did and icons do too |
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| 13:52:18 | linuxstb | preglow: A theme file is just treated as any other .cfg afaik. |
| 13:54:13 | preglow | at least i think that's the way settings like bar gradient should be set, rockbox will end up an even bigger settings hell than it is if we add menu settings for stuff like this |
| 13:54:26 | * | B4gder agrees |
| 13:55:28 | preglow | there probably already are settings like this in the menus somewhere that i think should be removed and confined to theme files |
| 13:55:31 | petur | otoh, I hate hidden settings like firefox has for example |
| 13:55:52 | pondlife | I'd prefer if all options were available in menus to be honest.. |
| 13:56:01 | preglow | they're not really hidden, are they. if you're into customising themes, then theme files are a natural place to look for options |
| 13:56:19 | petur | yuck |
| 13:56:37 | preglow | i just really think rockbox is suffering from tangled menus at the moment, and it won't get any better if we add more |
| 13:56:41 | petur | then don't call them settings |
| 13:57:02 | * | preglow doesn't use firefox much :> |
| 13:57:26 | pondlife | What options are there? Isn't it just a 3rd selector bar type? |
| 13:57:26 | preglow | too clunky |
| 13:57:41 | pixelma | I hated it for the horizontal scroll setting on the Ondio when it still interfered with the context menu, there was no way turning it off without connecting to the computer |
| 13:57:50 | * | pondlife should look at the patch if there's bloat coming in. |
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| 14:00:11 | Nico_P | preglow: what do you use ? opera ? |
| 14:00:25 | preglow | Nico_P: yeah |
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| 14:00:43 | preglow | it's not free software, but it is nice |
| 14:01:07 | preglow | and doesn't feel like a ten ton truck |
| 14:02:00 | preglow | anyway, i like the gradient thing, i just don't want it cluttering up our menus even more |
| 14:02:10 | Nico_P | preglow: I agree, firefox feels huge sometimes |
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| 14:02:10 | preglow | i'm all for eye candy at this point, rockbox needs more of it |
| 14:02:37 | Nico_P | pondlife: it adds two new selector types (gradient and solid colour), and options to set the colours (3 :\) |
| 14:03:05 | pondlife | 3 colours? |
| 14:03:11 | preglow | three settings |
| 14:03:20 | Nico_P | gradient start, gradient end and text |
| 14:03:39 | preglow | all valid settings, but i don't want them in our menus |
| 14:03:47 | Nico_P | gradient start is the one used when the solid coulour selector is chosen |
| 14:03:49 | pondlife | Why a different text colour, could that not just use the standard text? |
| 14:04:11 | Nico_P | pondlife: that would limit things a lot IMHO |
| 14:04:14 | preglow | yeah, agree |
| 14:04:44 | * | pondlife is happy with less text colours... just colourful icons. |
| 14:04:50 | pondlife | So don't worry about me. |
| 14:04:55 | pondlife | Just keep the bloat down, mmkay. |
| 14:04:56 | preglow | i also want nicer icons |
| 14:05:03 | preglow | nicer fonts |
| 14:05:11 | preglow | when it comes to visuals, nicer everything :> |
| 14:05:14 | Nico_P | preglow: I agree, we need a nice set of icons buildtin |
| 14:05:24 | preglow | rockbox isn't really shining on the newer targets at the moment |
| 14:05:39 | preglow | nice and usable, but kind of ugly :P |
| 14:05:39 | pondlife | More colours in the text isn't nicer looking IMHO. But that is of course 100% subjective. |
| 14:05:57 | preglow | pondlife: be happy there's not a text colour gradient too :D |
| 14:06:27 | pondlife | This way lies a ten ton truck :) |
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| 14:06:43 | pondlife | Lunchtime.... |
| 14:07:06 | preglow | let's just code rockbox in javascript |
| 14:08:21 | Nico_P | preglow: is there an equivalent to adblock for opera ? |
| 14:08:42 | Zagor | yeah, it's builtin |
| 14:08:58 | Nico_P | oh, "blcoked content", right ? |
| 14:09:04 | Zagor | yup |
| 14:09:45 | preglow | builtin and coded in nice, shiny c++ |
| 14:09:55 | preglow | which in the end i suspect is what makes it not feel like a ten ton truck |
| 14:10:12 | B4gder | as opposed to what you mean? |
| 14:10:34 | preglow | layers upon layer of javascript |
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| 14:10:38 | Zagor | preglow: I'd rather say it's surprising it's as nimble as it is, for a c++ app... |
| 14:10:50 | preglow | Zagor: yeah, that too :P |
| 14:11:01 | B4gder | firefox isn't really layers of javascript but layers of xml |
| 14:11:20 | preglow | B4gder: might be, but that surely isn't any better, heh |
| 14:11:37 | preglow | Zagor: c++ doesn't have to result in clunky big things, but you do need to be careful |
| 14:11:50 | preglow | and i suspect the opera guys are, being heavily involved in the embedded market |
| 14:12:14 | Zagor | oh I know. a chainsaw doesn't have to result in loss of blood either... |
| 14:12:18 | B4gder | I like how opera stopped using qt for embedded... :-) |
| 14:12:18 | preglow | stay away from the templates, mkay |
| 14:12:22 | preglow | B4gder: oh? |
| 14:12:37 | B4gder | I bet opera cut off 75% of their size |
| 14:12:52 | B4gder | they're directfb embedded |
| 14:13:15 | preglow | really,now |
| 14:13:18 | preglow | interesting |
| 14:13:38 | B4gder | ... I put one up on a sh4 linux earlier this year |
| 14:14:10 | B4gder | browsing on a TV really never is fun ;-) |
| 14:14:41 | B4gder | unless hd perhaps |
| 14:14:55 | Zagor | beats using a phone |
| 14:15:03 | B4gder | hehehe |
| 14:15:07 | preglow | by a smallish margin |
| 14:15:11 | preglow | tried using opera on the wii |
| 14:15:14 | preglow | was ok, but not superb |
| 14:15:21 | B4gder | yeah, TV:s tend to be blurrier than a phone |
| 14:15:23 | B4gder | TVs |
| 14:15:30 | Zagor | true |
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| 14:21:51 | preglow | i wonder why nano and 5g needs two register writes for backlight control |
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| 14:25:36 | Nico_P | so what should I do with the gradient patch... remove the settings and leave the users to edit cfg files ? |
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| 14:26:32 | linuxstb | Thinking about theme settings, what do people think about a theme/wps editor plugin as a SoC 2008 project? |
| 14:26:35 | B4gder | I think: leave the setting in for now and let's try it out, and possibly make it cfg only later |
| 14:26:39 | preglow | linuxstb: sounds stellar |
| 14:26:52 | preglow | i agree with bagder, but i really think we shouldn't just forget this |
| 14:27:16 | Nico_P | linuxstb: good idea, yes |
| 14:27:46 | Nico_P | maybe also a WYSIWYG WPS editor app ? :) |
| 14:28:05 | Nico_P | B4gder: ok, I think I'll do a bit of polishing and then commit |
| 14:28:09 | preglow | linuxstb: you know if the pcf pwm generator is used for backlight on ipods at all? |
| 14:28:34 | Zagor | I think a wps editor would probably be even more appreciated than a theme editor |
| 14:28:46 | Zagor | oh, you said both :) |
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| 14:29:58 | Zagor | however I think it would be better to make a qt app rather than a plugin. |
| 14:30:15 | preglow | would make it easier to use, that's for sure |
| 14:30:16 | * | GodEater_ is back from lunch |
| 14:30:17 | Zagor | if qt is the preferred win+lin gui toolkit |
| 14:30:26 | preglow | GodEater_: i spammed you some text, check it out |
| 14:30:34 | GodEater_ | I saw |
| 14:30:44 | GodEater_ | hard to tell if it woke up then - it was already on |
| 14:30:56 | preglow | i still wonder how the hell the alarm got set to that |
| 14:30:59 | preglow | you use retailos at all? |
| 14:31:07 | GodEater_ | to charge in sometimes |
| 14:31:10 | GodEater_ | but otherwise no |
| 14:31:28 | GodEater_ | but I leave the hold switch on all the time when it's off now |
| 14:31:32 | GodEater_ | so that if it DOES power up |
| 14:31:38 | GodEater_ | it boots into OF |
| 14:31:45 | GodEater_ | and powers down again, instead of killing the battery |
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| 14:33:39 | preglow | anyway |
| 14:33:49 | preglow | the ipod was set to wake at about the time |
| 14:34:07 | preglow | linuxstb's change probably will fix this |
| 14:34:27 | * | GodEater_ needs to run linuxstb's fix back in |
| 14:34:38 | preglow | i have absolutely no idea why your ipod was set to wake then |
| 14:34:41 | GodEater_ | I applied your patch to a clean branch |
| 14:34:47 | preglow | rockbox isn't capable of setting those regs to those values |
| 14:34:54 | GodEater_ | curious then |
| 14:35:10 | GodEater_ | I could boot back into OF, and then back into RB to see if they change again ? |
| 14:35:17 | preglow | sure |
| 14:35:20 | preglow | would be fun |
| 14:35:29 | * | GodEater_ does so |
| 14:36:17 | linuxstb | preglow: No, I don't know anything about backlights. |
| 14:36:32 | preglow | for some reason, i'm itching to relieve rockbox of having to do the pwm |
| 14:36:47 | GodEater_ | hmm - no - looks to be 0 30 10 7 3F 1F 99 now |
| 14:36:51 | preglow | maybe i should start blindly writing to the pwm regs and see what happens |
| 14:37:14 | preglow | GodEater_: that looks like rockbox values, set to wake at 10:30 |
| 14:37:31 | GodEater_ | yeah - that's what I set the wake up to just after you'd told me not to =/ |
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| 14:38:11 | preglow | anyway, i propose we just forget about why the hell the alarm is told to wake |
| 14:38:15 | preglow | and apply linuxstb's patch |
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| 14:39:51 | preglow | i'm quite sure that'll fix this issue |
| 14:41:41 | * | GodEater_ reapplies the patch |
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| 14:42:19 | TMM | well, just ordered another iaudio 7 |
| 14:42:25 | B4gder | haha |
| 14:42:43 | B4gder | from another place or a smaller one? |
| 14:43:09 | preglow | and really, i can't see any point in retaining any of the other values at all |
| 14:43:13 | GodEater_ | what happened to the first one ? |
| 14:43:16 | preglow | so let's just save the bytes the readback costs us |
| 14:43:47 | * | Nico_P thinks a Qt WPS designer is a great SoC idea |
| 14:44:03 | TMM | B4gder, other place |
| 14:44:03 | preglow | or would we want to use the watchdog one day? :P |
| 14:44:15 | TMM | B4gder, they swore blind that they would have it in my hands tomorrow or monday |
| 14:44:15 | Nico_P | a theme config editor plugin sounds a little small for a SoC |
| 14:44:59 | preglow | i don't get why we would want to edit themes on target anyway, sounds cumbersome |
| 14:45:11 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: a little small ? We're still waiting on MoB! ;) |
| 14:45:20 | Zagor | what's the difference btwn iaudio 6 and 7? |
| 14:45:29 | GodEater_ | go faster stripes |
| 14:45:33 | Nico_P | GodEater_: hehe :) |
| 14:45:33 | preglow | unless i manage to remove all theme settings from menus, that is :P |
| 14:46:07 | B4gder | Zagor: iaudio 6 is a hdd |
| 14:46:13 | B4gder | iaudio 7 is flash |
| 14:46:38 | Zagor | heh, but the 6 has smaller capacity than the 7... |
| 14:46:47 | B4gder | yeah. 0.85 inch |
| 14:47:02 | B4gder | I guess those never took off |
| 14:48:45 | Zagor | yay, it's got gradient text! |
| 14:49:25 | Zagor | or maybe my eyes are fooling me |
| 14:49:34 | B4gder | I wonder if their "260000 colors" are the same 18bit the x5 has... |
| 14:49:49 | Zagor | http://www.cowonglobal.com/product/images/iaudio7/lcd_img.jpg <−− anyone else think the 107.07 text is faded? (no cheating) |
| 14:50:50 | preglow | faded? |
| 14:50:52 | GodEater_ | define cheating |
| 14:51:05 | preglow | my, what an ugly ui |
| 14:51:08 | preglow | how old is this dap? |
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| 14:51:21 | GodEater_ | brand new |
| 14:51:29 | Zagor | It looks like the top of the chars is brighter cyan than the bottom |
| 14:51:37 | |Rain| | hooray for optical illusions |
| 14:51:38 | Zagor | but it's very slight, so could be an illusion |
| 14:51:48 | preglow | oh, the tuner |
| 14:52:11 | Nico_P | Zagor: in the tuner I agree |
| 14:52:12 | preglow | it's definitely real |
| 14:52:20 | |Rain| | the illusion is less pronounced if you cover the 'ch24' and 'preset' with your finger |
| 14:52:23 | preglow | even dithered |
| 14:52:42 | B4gder | but it is still there if you zoom 800% |
| 14:52:46 | B4gder | its not an illusion |
| 14:52:50 | Zagor | no |
| 14:53:27 | Zagor | top is 08fafb, bottom is 00cafc |
| 14:53:30 | B4gder | athough the pics might've been fotopgraphed or something |
| 14:53:31 | * | Zagor cheated |
| 14:53:32 | |Rain| | I did zoom in... there might be a really slight gradiant there, but looking at the actual colors, I'm still not sure |
| 14:53:51 | B4gder | yes fotopgraphed is a word ;-P |
| 14:53:56 | preglow | the colours are different, no doubt |
| 14:53:59 | preglow | no illusion |
| 14:54:06 | preglow | why would it be an illusion, btw? :P |
| 14:54:18 | Zagor | oddly small gradient |
| 14:54:32 | |Rain| | well, it's a jpeg, so there's a little bit of variation from compression artifacts, but if look at the colors on the 1 (since it's a nice straight line) you can tell it definitely is there |
| 14:54:34 | B4gder | "Enhanced Integrated Navigator" |
| 14:54:40 | B4gder | what is that? |
| 14:54:50 | preglow | |Rain|: in that case it still wouldn't be an illusion, it would be compression artifacts |
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| 14:55:11 | GodEater_ | B4gder: it's marketing speak for "not much" |
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| 14:55:56 | Nico_P | preglow: you're probably the one who can tell me that... how hard/cpu intensive would a simple vis plugin/wps widget be ? something like the peakmeter but prettier and with a few freqs |
| 14:56:47 | GodEater_ | preglow: I think it would be worth commiting your lollerskates patch to get a better feel for people's ipod Wake up registers |
| 14:57:04 | B4gder | 160x128 sounds like a common resolution |
| 14:57:26 | preglow | GodEater_: but what good would it be? |
| 14:57:42 | GodEater_ | well it would show you a bigger sample set of weird register values ? |
| 14:57:47 | GodEater_ | unless you're not bothered anymore |
| 14:58:01 | preglow | Nico_P: it depends so incredibly much on what you want to do. for a few freqs you'd need to do freq splitting, which means either filtering or ffts, none of which are cheap, and both of which will be more expensive than the peak meter |
| 14:58:17 | preglow | GodEater_: i don't really care since i don't know where they come from, and can't do anything about them anyway |
| 14:58:27 | GodEater_ | fair enough then |
| 14:58:46 | GodEater_ | are you going to commit linuxstb's patch instead then ? |
| 14:58:59 | preglow | GodEater_: i'm 99.99% percent certain rockbox isn't the origin since the only values it writes to four of those regs are constant |
| 14:59:07 | preglow | and that means i can't do anything about it and need to adapt in other ways |
| 14:59:15 | preglow | yeah, i'm kinda thinking that's the way to go about it |
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| 14:59:25 | preglow | just waiting a bit for some answers from the forum first |
| 14:59:27 | GodEater_ | I shall leave it in your capable mits then |
| 14:59:49 | preglow | if none of them have using the alarm before, i'll just conclude it's retailos or the bootloader doing something cracky |
| 14:59:58 | preglow | if some of them have, i'll need to think a bit more about it |
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| 15:00:01 | Nico_P | preglow: well ideally it'd be something like what you can see in most PC audio players (I use amarok and there's a nice one), but of course with less freqs (maybe 4 or 5)... do you think the gigabeat would be capable of it ? |
| 15:00:10 | preglow | Nico_P: easily |
| 15:00:50 | preglow | and having more freqs than that is no stress either, you still need to calculate all of them |
| 15:00:56 | Nico_P | well it could be a nice thing to have for the powerful targets we have... what would be required ? simple access to the PCM data ? |
| 15:00:58 | preglow | just turns into a display question |
| 15:01:00 | Nico_P | ah |
| 15:01:36 | preglow | two solutions, you could just split the whole audio data into several bands with eq like filters and postprocess to find peak, but as soon as you start adding more and more bands, a simple fft is the best |
| 15:01:44 | preglow | and fft will find the entire frequency spectrum of the current audio frame |
| 15:01:50 | preglow | so you just display the parts of that you want |
| 15:02:17 | Nico_P | probably better then |
| 15:02:30 | Nico_P | what does the oscilloscope plugin do ? read the current frame and find the peak ? |
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| 15:03:03 | preglow | something like that |
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| 15:03:26 | preglow | i'm planning to have a look at fft algos soon, but we already have some in a couple of codecs, i think |
| 15:04:04 | Nico_P | so oscilloscope and vu meter would be good starts... I'll probably try to have a quick look |
| 15:04:08 | Nico_P | just to get an idea |
| 15:04:13 | preglow | yea |
| 15:04:24 | preglow | you should find some spectrum view vis source code to look at too |
| 15:04:30 | preglow | i don't know too much about the specific |
| 15:04:31 | preglow | s |
| 15:04:42 | preglow | but more importantly, you should look at the getting mob commited :> :> |
| 15:04:49 | pondlife | Yes :) |
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| 15:04:58 | Nico_P | indeed |
| 15:05:05 | preglow | a couple of us are eagerly awaiting it |
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| 15:05:58 | Nico_P | I've been thinking that it might be faster to just start rewriting the playback code :\ |
| 15:06:39 | preglow | and i think you'll find a couple of other people agreeing, but i have no idea |
| 15:06:46 | pondlife | I liked the idea of doing buffering into MAS playback first... |
| 15:07:07 | pondlife | But I don't have an Archos any more :( |
| 15:07:09 | GodEater_ | seems a safer way to start |
| 15:07:12 | Nico_P | pondlife: me too, but without on of these targets to test on and a functional sim, I'm kinda blocked |
| 15:07:16 | GodEater_ | but I also am archosless |
| 15:07:19 | Nico_P | s/on/one |
| 15:07:28 | GodEater_ | that does make life tricky |
| 15:07:56 | GodEater_ | was playback originally written to a spec, or did it just develop organically ? |
| 15:07:57 | Nico_P | I'd need to implement audio playback in the sim first :) |
| 15:08:07 | pondlife | spec??? ;) |
| 15:08:12 | Nico_P | SWCODEC playback was a big hack IIRC |
| 15:08:35 | pondlife | Yep, followed by further hacks. |
| 15:08:58 | preglow | then hacked upon by people who tend to vanish |
| 15:09:13 | Nico_P | maybe I should just start from scratch :( |
| 15:09:19 | B4gder | it's like the Bermuda triangle, people vanish in there! |
| 15:09:20 | pondlife | lostlogic had started a rewrite but it got the better of him, apparently. |
| 15:09:31 | GodEater_ | I think a re-write seems the best way to proceed |
| 15:09:37 | Nico_P | he even tried to implement MoB |
| 15:09:37 | preglow | nah, i think he got along nicely, but he just stopped coding |
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| 15:09:43 | GodEater_ | otherwise you're pulling cards from the base of a house of cards |
| 15:09:50 | pondlife | Nico_P: The buffering part is generally the worst bit IMHO. |
| 15:10:00 | pondlife | So you've at least got that sorted. |
| 15:10:11 | * | GodEater_ admires pondlife's confidence |
| 15:10:22 | GodEater_ | for someone who's not doing any of it ;) |
| 15:10:24 | * | pondlife is never confident |
| 15:10:45 | Nico_P | pondlife: I think so too, but adapting that part is very confusing... I could rewrite the rest around the buffering while trying to keep in mind how it was done |
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| 15:13:09 | markun | who's "Stepan Moskovchenko"? |
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| 15:14:00 | TMM | Zagor, from my research, the iaudio6 and 7 appear to be the exact same hardware, minus/plus disk/nand |
| 15:14:08 | preglow | markun: stevenm ? |
| 15:14:11 | B4gder | markun: stevenm |
| 15:14:16 | TMM | Zagor, but, I'll know that for certain tomorrow or monday :) |
| 15:14:26 | B4gder | they have different screens it seems |
| 15:14:30 | Zagor | TMM: yeah, found some photos. looks very much the same. |
| 15:14:37 | markun | preglow, B4gder: doesn't ring a bell |
| 15:14:40 | Zagor | TCC771L |
| 15:14:53 | TMM | Zagor, yep |
| 15:16:59 | preglow | markun: hangaround a couple of years ago, he still drops by |
| 15:17:01 | preglow | markun: why? |
| 15:17:18 | nls | Nico_P: I _think_ many of the hacks in the current playback code were introduced to fix things that were not thought about when creating it so I would suggest some serious planning before you start rewriting it all |
| 15:17:32 | preglow | nls: any comments on the vorbis patches? |
| 15:17:48 | nls | preglow: they give a nice speedup :-) |
| 15:17:57 | preglow | you didn't notice anything else? tried many files? |
| 15:18:08 | Nico_P | nls: I agree |
| 15:18:18 | Nico_P | at least the buffering part was planned |
| 15:18:26 | markun | preglow: I wonder why he had to commit his unfinished plugin, and why he did it in the same commit with changes to the midi plugin |
| 15:18:36 | nls | I listened to an album or so yesterday and didn't notice any bugs but I can do more testing |
| 15:18:51 | preglow | markun: which unfinished plugin? |
| 15:19:05 | Nico_P | beatbox |
| 15:19:10 | markun | preglow: http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi?view=rev&revision=14863 |
| 15:19:44 | preglow | well, he does ask |
| 15:19:48 | preglow | are we against half-baked plugs? |
| 15:19:52 | markun | he could have asked in here |
| 15:19:58 | Nico_P | markun: I assume his MIDI changes were intended for the beatbox plugin |
| 15:20:04 | markun | Nico_P: ah |
| 15:20:23 | preglow | markun: still, he didn't. now, do we have a stance on that at all? |
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| 15:21:49 | markun | preglow: if more than one person is working on something I think it's a good idea to commit it, even if not working |
| 15:22:00 | preglow | if you ask me, there are plenty of plugs that are a bit half-baked in svn |
| 15:22:07 | markun | true :) |
| 15:22:08 | amiconn_ | Nico_P: Oscilloscope and vu_meter do nothing different than what the peakmeter does, they just present the data in a different way |
| 15:22:15 | preglow | markun: i kinda think it's a good idea to commit it straight off anyway |
| 15:22:20 | preglow | markun: but i do see your point, of course |
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| 15:24:08 | nls | markun: actually he did ask in here but I don't think anyone answered him... |
| 15:24:30 | markun | nls: I'll just shut up :) |
| 15:24:47 | preglow | nls: you don't have to do more testing, just wondering. i'll do some of my own before commiting anyway |
| 15:25:09 | preglow | or, he could just commit them himself, i guess, he is able to |
| 15:25:32 | nls | preglow: I will test a bit more anyway :-) |
| 15:25:37 | preglow | me too |
| 15:26:49 | petur | iirc, stevenm did come here and ask about committing it |
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| 15:27:14 | * | petur slower than nls |
| 15:28:29 | petur | he did say that editing worked, just not load and save... so why not enable it and say that load/save come later |
| 15:31:02 | TMM | if they are indeed the same hardware, then the only difference between an iaudio 6 and 7 port would be an ide and a nand driver |
| 15:31:06 | TMM | which would be good :) |
| 15:31:12 | TMM | two targets with one stone :P |
| 15:31:31 | petur | stone? brick? |
| 15:32:05 | * | amiconn_ doesn't like where daps are moving feature wise nowadays |
| 15:32:17 | TMM | petur, I really want to avoid that :P |
| 15:32:21 | TMM | amiconn, how's that? |
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| 15:33:56 | preglow | amiconn_: where would you rather they move? |
| 15:34:01 | amiconn_ | About the only hdd based dap that's widely available is the ipod (video and classic). Oterwise, mostly flash based thingies with tiny storage, annoying colour screens and touch control |
| 15:34:34 | TMM | amiconn, well, the flash based players are now up to 16Gb |
| 15:34:41 | preglow | colour screens are a-ok, but yeah, hd alternatives shouldn't vanish, i'll agree with that |
| 15:34:42 | TMM | amiconn, which is what I bought |
| 15:35:00 | krazykit | amiconn_, i feel the same way :-/ |
| 15:35:01 | * | amiconn_ wants at least 80GB, more == better |
| 15:35:16 | TMM | amiconn, I'd have preferred a hdd based player, preferably the iaudio x5l, but those aren't available anymore |
| 15:35:17 | * | petur too |
| 15:36:06 | B4gder | the latest iaudio 6 firmware is 6.8MB while the latest iaudio 7 one is 1.5MB ! |
| 15:36:09 | amiconn_ | E.g. this ainol thing mentioned y'day - it's more a pmp (and even more), but 4GB flash? For video??? |
| 15:36:39 | B4gder | amiconn: I guess they shoot for the games section |
| 15:36:50 | B4gder | and for games from the 90s, 4GB fits many games |
| 15:36:51 | amiconn_ | At least it's button controlled (a big pro compared to several other targets) |
| 15:37:08 | TMM | amiconn, now I'll have to make a new target :) |
| 15:37:47 | TMM | B4gder, that much difference? wow... I never bothered to check, probably a bit more difference than just an IDE driver then |
| 15:38:02 | B4gder | indeed |
| 15:38:27 | TMM | B4gder, however, the firmware files themselves DO seem to indicate that they are both based on a telechips erm.. chip |
| 15:39:24 | B4gder | sure |
| 15:39:55 | TMM | B4gder, perhaps the 3L then, that thing does a lot more for you than the TCC771 does |
| 15:40:02 | B4gder | running strings on both show lots of similarities |
| 15:40:21 | nls | so what would cause a "I0B: Line-F" on coldfire? |
| 15:40:31 | TMM | B4gder, just looking at the header will tell you that they are both TCC firmware images ;) |
| 15:41:12 | B4gder | yes I know |
| 15:41:18 | B4gder | not to mention all the path names in the image |
| 15:41:22 | amiconn_ | nls: Most probably the PC running away into data. Line-F is a special kind of "defined undefined instruction" |
| 15:41:22 | B4gder | D:\work\PD\DMP77X-060119\Project\JDRM\TCC77x_JDRM_ADS_V114\modular.c line 528 |
| 15:41:44 | B4gder | the _same_ path names in both firmwares |
| 15:42:33 | squidink | how do I add an option to the settings menu? |
| 15:42:45 | Zagor | I think they are identical. why waste money remaking perfectly good boards? I bet some i7 boards even say iaudio6 |
| 15:42:58 | petur | squidink: learn to use macro's, lots of them ;) |
| 15:43:05 | Zagor | nah, scratch the last one. they do need to make new boards. |
| 15:43:09 | nls | amiconn_: I got it when I tried to run the midiplay plugin with profiling enabled, any ideas where to look? |
| 15:43:15 | squidink | petur: yikes |
| 15:43:26 | Zagor | but if they didn't use the 3 in the 6, they're not likely to have replaced the 1 on the 7. |
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| 15:44:27 | petur | squidink: just copy and paste another setting |
| 15:44:31 | B4gder | well, the i6 has host usb, the i7 doesn't |
| 15:44:44 | Zagor | really? |
| 15:44:47 | B4gder | the i6 has OLED lcd, the i7 has TFT |
| 15:44:55 | B4gder | it says so |
| 15:45:04 | Zagor | ok, so they are a bit more different than I thought |
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| 15:46:58 | squidink | petur: yeah, am working on that. Was looking for a shortcut :) |
| 15:47:08 | Zagor | heh, it's got a reset button. that's not something you see on every mp3 player. |
| 15:48:11 | Zagor | i6 vs i7: http://images.imp3.net/article/2007/08/23/040002.jpg |
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| 15:48:35 | amiconn_ | B4gder: OLED lcd?? |
| 15:48:44 | B4gder | well, oled screen |
| 15:48:44 | Jmax_ | has the sandisk s280 been known to work with rockbox? there seems to be no information regarding this model on the wiki |
| 15:48:56 | Jmax_ | the e2xx models do, however |
| 15:49:26 | B4gder | Jmax_: players not mentioned are not supported |
| 15:49:51 | B4gder | s200 doesn't seem to exist on sandisk's site |
| 15:49:58 | Jmax_ | s280 |
| 15:50:18 | B4gder | well, no model is mentioned starting with s2 |
| 15:51:00 | TMM | B4gder, well, that's encouraging, they used the same SDK for both players then :) perhaps one image is stripped and the other isn't? |
| 15:51:18 | B4gder | yes, something like that |
| 15:51:24 | B4gder | the headers are clearly different though |
| 15:51:28 | Zagor | Jmax_: does it really say s280 on the back of your player? |
| 15:51:29 | B4gder | that ver: thing |
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| 15:51:56 | Jmax_ | oh i misread! it's an e280 |
| 15:52:03 | B4gder | hahaha |
| 15:52:06 | Zagor | I thought so... |
| 15:53:38 | Jmax_ | or does anyone have a recommendation for an <= 250 USD player with >= 8 GB space, that is not poorly manufactured? |
| 15:53:54 | Jmax_ | i don't need video or any fancy stuff like that |
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| 15:54:05 | B4gder | Zagor: i7 is a TCC771L too => http://www.imp3.net/articles/3/2007_09/14965_2.html |
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| 15:54:33 | Zagor | ah, you beat me to it. I was just scanning through their i7 articles... |
| 15:54:41 | B4gder | Jmax_: I'd say the sansa e280 is a fine match then |
| 15:54:44 | |Rain| | Jmax_: a friend of mine has rockbox on an e280 last night, and I should have an e280 arriving today |
| 15:54:59 | |Rain| | so yes, it works |
| 15:54:59 | B4gder | PCF50606 too |
| 15:55:13 | Jmax_ | B4gder: thank you sir |
| 15:55:20 | Jmax_ | |Rain|: ok :) thanks |
| 15:56:34 | Zagor | well, clearly a different board |
| 15:57:32 | B4gder | darnit, Iaudio7Info is not a valid wiki word |
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| 15:57:58 | squidink | in the _SETTING macros, what is cb? |
| 15:58:19 | Zagor | Philips TEA5767 tuner |
| 15:58:26 | B4gder | yes, lots of fine matches |
| 15:58:35 | petur | B4gder: wtwiki needs two capitalized words before a number can come |
| 15:59:01 | petur | -w |
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| 15:59:23 | B4gder | but its hard to get that with this word |
| 15:59:39 | petur | CowonIaudio7Info ? |
| 15:59:48 | B4gder | oh yeah I guess |
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| 16:00:05 | B4gder | thanks |
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| 16:02:59 | preglow | what the hell |
| 16:03:02 | preglow | i left my nano idling |
| 16:03:11 | preglow | and now i got a prefetch abort at 0xdeadbeee |
| 16:03:21 | B4gder | ok, I started it now => http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CowonIaudio7Info |
| 16:05:18 | B4gder | those pics aren't crystal clear |
| 16:05:52 | B4gder | I googled for LW052A |
| 16:06:00 | B4gder | rockbox.org was first hit ;-) |
| 16:07:03 | B4gder | seems at least three chips are found in the h300 models |
| 16:07:34 | squidink | is it possible/easy/desirable to access global_settings from functions in the firmware/ directory? |
| 16:07:51 | Zagor | squidink: no |
| 16:08:03 | squidink | Zagor: no to which one? |
| 16:08:16 | Zagor | every one. global_settings is an apps thing. |
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| 16:08:34 | squidink | Where do I set settings which affect firmware? |
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| 16:08:49 | Zagor | such as? |
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| 16:09:25 | fink | squidink: he-he, I think it's possible and easy, but not desirable at all |
| 16:09:59 | Zagor | sorry, gotta run |
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| 16:10:20 | squidink | I've made some functions which sync the rockbox's clock to the PCs clock when you plug it in. I want to put an on/off switch, but it needs to be in firmware/usb.c |
| 16:10:38 | squidink | which can't easily access settings.h |
| 16:11:18 | squidink | Though usb charging mode is done through settings.h, but doesn't go through global_settings, but uses a callback |
| 16:11:40 | squidink | Any ideas anyone? |
| 16:12:19 | fink | squidink: I think the firmware code is controlled by the app code. I.e. you should add a parameter to the fw func and pass the value from the app. My blind guess. |
| 16:12:40 | fink | Callback being a sort of parameter |
| 16:14:37 | squidink | fink: the whole usb code runs as a thread, so it's not quite that easy. |
| 16:14:48 | linuxstb | squidink: How is your code working? It's talking over USB? |
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| 16:16:24 | squidink | before usb mode is enabled, rockbox creates a file. Then when the computer is connected it uses autorun functionality to create another file. When usb is disconnected, the modification times of the two files are compared, an offset calculated, and correct time worked out. |
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| 16:18:47 | fink | squidink: then you have to somehow inject a callback to that thread. The callback would then access the settings. |
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| 16:20:50 | linuxstb | squidink: Couldn't you just do the same as the check_bootfile() function in apps/screens.c ? |
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| 16:27:19 | squidink | linuxstb: I see; that might work... I assume the SYS_USB_CONNECTED event happen before the disk is unmounted? And SYS_USB_DISCONNECTED happens once the disk is mounted again? |
| 16:29:06 | linuxstb | squidink: I'm not sure exactly how the messages work, but IIUC, the check_bootfile() function reads information from the disk before entering usb mode, and reads it again after leaving usb mode, and compares. Almost exactly what you're doing. |
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| 16:30:09 | petur | linuxstb: correct |
| 16:30:19 | squidink | oh yeah I see |
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| 16:31:43 | squidink | should I move the functions I have into apps/misc.c or create a new file? |
| 16:32:11 | petur | I'd use misc.c if it isn't too much |
| 16:32:51 | petur | btw, using autorun will be windows only, right? |
| 16:33:33 | * | petur has autorun disabled on hix windows machines |
| 16:33:34 | squidink | petur: ubuntu has autorun capability on the desktop; though I think you could do it with HAL for just about any linux |
| 16:33:56 | petur | ah |
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| 16:34:38 | Nico_P | is the LCD display on the H300 still unknown ? |
| 16:37:43 | amiconn_ | The lcd panel is unknown (but not very important either), the controller is long known |
| 16:38:17 | Nico_P | ok |
| 16:38:34 | nls | hmm, this profile_reader script doesn't work very well, or I'm doing something wrong but there's next to no documentation either |
| 16:40:04 | * | amiconn_ always disables autorun on windows, for all devices |
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| 17:00:36 | Nico_P | preglow: what do you think of dynamic menu items for the gradient patch ? |
| 17:01:07 | Nico_P | i.e. if you choose the "invert" or "pointer" types, no solour settings appear |
| 17:01:13 | Nico_P | *coulour |
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| 17:10:38 | preglow | Nico_P: would be better than always having them there, but also adds more code and makes manual work harder |
| 17:10:46 | preglow | i really just want the settings in config files, not menu at all |
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| 17:15:39 | Nico_P | hmm it's not very satisfactory anyway, as it only takes effect once the menu has been exited |
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| 17:17:53 | linuxstb | Nico_P: I think I would prefer them to always be there - other settings are similar, such as EQ settings which are there, even if EQ is off. (IIRC) |
| 17:18:19 | preglow | yeah, i'd go for that as well |
| 17:18:25 | preglow | just simpler, overall |
| 17:18:30 | Nico_P | indeed : |
| 17:18:33 | Nico_P | :) |
| 17:18:33 | preglow | i don't know of many programs that do menus that way |
| 17:19:49 | Nico_P | so can I commit with the settings for now and maybe remove them afterwards ? |
| 17:20:01 | Llorean | Honestly, new options automagically appearing is something I see most often in like... forms on webpages |
| 17:20:39 | Llorean | I think there shouldn't be any setting that's not user-settable (without using a text editor) somehow unless it's controlled by a file (WPS, icons, colours) |
| 17:21:24 | preglow | but we have so huge menus :/ |
| 17:21:28 | linuxstb | Llorean: I agree, although theme settings are a borderline case - once we get more and more theme settings, the current settings menus aren't ideal... |
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| 17:21:36 | preglow | indeed |
| 17:21:55 | petur | maybe move all the theming settings in a separate settings tree next to general settings |
| 17:21:57 | Nico_P | also dionoea said he found the names confusing... I was thinking of changing "Line Selector Start Colour" to "Line Selector Main Coulour" and "Line Selector End Colour" to "Line Selector Gradient Second Colour"... what do you think ? |
| 17:21:59 | preglow | one thing is users get confused, another thing is the menu code gets frigging huger |
| 17:22:21 | preglow | Nico_P: that doesn't sound any less confusing to me, that's for sure |
| 17:22:39 | * | petur waits for the settings-in-a-plugin discussion to come up again |
| 17:22:45 | Nico_P | hehe :) the problem is the solid coulour setting only used the "main" coulour |
| 17:23:00 | Llorean | linuxstb: Yeah, I think if we actually do integrated "Themes" and to an extent give up on the by part idea (keeping WPS separate from the rest of the theme, etc) future settings can be more hidden. |
| 17:23:01 | preglow | oh, well then that is confusing |
| 17:23:04 | linuxstb | petur: I added a "theme editor plugin" to SoC2008... |
| 17:23:13 | petur | I saw |
| 17:23:30 | linuxstb | petur: agree or disagree? |
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| 17:23:49 | Nico_P | preglow: do you have a suggestion ? |
| 17:24:38 | Llorean | linuxstb: Basically it'd be a way to modify a lot of the "extras" of a theme, like adding to the iconset or changing the extension colors etc? |
| 17:26:03 | nls | Nico_P: why do you need a separate solid colour setting, wouldn't you just set the start and end colour to the same colour? |
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| 17:26:29 | Nico_P | nls: that could work but it would be quite inefficient |
| 17:26:32 | Llorean | nls: Faster UI? |
| 17:26:34 | linuxstb | Llorean: I imaging it as being everything theme-related, so including fg/bg colours, status bar on/off, icons etc etc. |
| 17:26:34 | petur | linuxstb: it would solve the above discussion and I'm all for it... |
| 17:26:38 | pixelma | start and end color made me think the gradient is from left to right |
| 17:26:54 | linuxstb | s/imaging/imagine/ |
| 17:27:07 | Llorean | linuxstb: Honestly, I personally would prefer Font, Foreground and Background color remain in the main menus (though possibly still also be available through that) |
| 17:27:08 | preglow | Nico_P: nope :/ |
| 17:27:10 | * | preglow brb |
| 17:27:10 | Nico_P | pixelma: I'm thinking of Main and Second but am open to better proposals |
| 17:27:24 | Llorean | Since those three, at least, can be rather independent of the theme (or usable with no theme set at all. |
| 17:27:57 | Llorean | Nico_P: Maybe primary and secondary rather than "main" and "second"? |
| 17:28:04 | Nico_P | nice |
| 17:28:14 | nls | Nico_P: well, You could detect that the colours are the same and take the same solid colour shortcuts as you do now |
| 17:28:25 | Llorean | nls: That's a good idea. |
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| 17:28:26 | petur | linuxstb, Llorean, preglow: if you have any remarks on the GSoC2007 roundup wiki page, please edit it, I'll send its link on the mentor mailing list tonight (unless somebody else wants to do that) |
| 17:29:14 | petur | markun too... |
| 17:29:38 | pixelma | petur: I have a remark... I don't think should have "replaced" the current voice system... (and could not everywhere) |
| 17:29:52 | pixelma | tts, I meant... |
| 17:30:06 | Llorean | petur: What's the URL? |
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| 17:30:22 | petur | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GsocRoundup2007 |
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| 17:30:47 | petur | pixelma: well if I got that wrong, change it.... ;) |
| 17:31:19 | Nico_P | nls, Llorean: is it really necessary ? IMHO it doesn't change much |
| 17:31:39 | markun | petur: I'll check later. Have to go now. |
| 17:31:43 | Nico_P | by that I mean it wouldn't be a big saving |
| 17:31:43 | petur | ok |
| 17:32:04 | nls | Nico_P: no, it's not necessary but IMO would make the settings simpler |
| 17:32:28 | Llorean | Nico_P: Not necessary at all, just kinda nice. :) |
| 17:32:32 | Nico_P | nls: it would just remove one selector type |
| 17:32:45 | nls | less settings == simpler |
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| 17:33:25 | webguest40 | pixelma: get a chance to try the usb reboot? I see it didn't work for Zagor. |
| 17:33:25 | Llorean | petur: Looks good to me on a brief read. :) |
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| 17:33:37 | Nico_P | maybe I'll do it as another commit, but I have to admit I'd like to be done with this one for a bit :) |
| 17:33:48 | dionoea | Nico_P: "Primary" and "Secondary" color could be good enough |
| 17:33:57 | Nico_P | I like these too |
| 17:33:58 | squidink | I've make a library function localtime() which does the opposite of mktime() - should I include it as an independent patch or bundle it with what I wrote it for? |
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| 17:34:30 | Nico_P | dionoea: primary implies rellay well thet it will be used for the solid colour setting |
| 17:34:55 | low_light | pixelma: that was me :) |
| 17:35:06 | dionoea | yup |
| 17:35:40 | pixelma | low_light: I figured; you could have simply changed the nick ;) haven't tried yet but will do now |
| 17:37:20 | low_light | I still think that the custom line selector (except solid colors) would be easier as a user supplied bitmap |
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| 17:37:45 | low_light | I know scaling is a problem, but icons don't scale |
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| 17:38:29 | Llorean | low_light: It could even not be user-settable (except in the way backdrops are), and reset itself to the default upon font changes. |
| 17:38:31 | low_light | what if I want a double gradient effect? |
| 17:39:22 | low_light | just have it as part of the theme, like icons |
| 17:39:23 | dionoea | Nico_P: next step is making it draw nice circular corners |
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| 17:39:30 | pixelma | low_light: it freees for me too and have to hard power off |
| 17:39:36 | pixelma | *freezes |
| 17:39:43 | low_light | freezes when? |
| 17:39:44 | dionoea | I'll have a look once you commit the current version |
| 17:39:47 | linuxstb | squidink: IMO you can just include it in the same patch - it wouldn't get committed by itself anyway (we don't add functions that aren't being used). |
| 17:40:05 | Llorean | dionoea: That too would be covered with bitmaps |
| 17:40:28 | dionoea | Like use a bitmap as the selector bar ? |
| 17:41:06 | Llorean | Yep |
| 17:41:20 | pixelma | low_light: when I plug the usb cable - rockbox shows its "usb screen", status bar shows "disk" activity and buttonlight turns up. Then it stays this way even if I unplug again |
| 17:41:31 | Llorean | It doesn't scale at all to font size changes, or screen size changes, so it's more restricted in that area, but the number of effects you can accomplish with it is greatly increased. |
| 17:41:31 | dionoea | Isn't drawing uniform horrizontal lines more efficient than drawing a bitmap ? |
| 17:41:50 | dionoea | (in terms of speed) |
| 17:42:10 | Llorean | I imagine it is, yes. |
| 17:42:16 | dionoea | but yeah, i agree that using bitmaps could be cool |
| 17:42:47 | dionoea | Or maybe do something like the Mac OS X dock to highlight the selected item :D |
| 17:42:50 | Llorean | But people want *menu transitions* and those are slow just because you have to wait for them to happen, so it's pretty clear most of the "pretty" people aren't in the same circle on the diagram as the "fast" people, and the overlap isn't huge |
| 17:43:06 | Nico_P | committed :) |
| 17:43:08 | dionoea | agreed |
| 17:43:48 | * | Nico_P braces for the red delta on colour targets |
| 17:44:04 | dionoea | ah, you didn't change the s->invert stuff i mentioned in my comment :( |
| 17:44:48 | Nico_P | dionoea: no, it created too much complexity IMHO... that member is also used by B&W targets |
| 17:45:11 | * | linuxstb booted into his ipod Color's OF the other day and had forgotton how slow and annoying the UI is, with menu transitions |
| 17:45:45 | dionoea | Well it was only copying the style integer value and using an &0xE0000000 in the switch |
| 17:45:53 | Nico_P | dionoea: and it's useful to be able to test its nullity |
| 17:46:05 | dionoea | yeah ... maybe. |
| 17:46:32 | dionoea | Changing the 0, 1, 2, 3 values to a value in an enum would increase readability a bit |
| 17:46:38 | pondlife | Nico_P: Are you going to close the patch too? :) |
| 17:46:46 | Nico_P | sure |
| 17:46:53 | dionoea | Currently you have to browse up in the code to know what the 1, 2 and 3 refer to |
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| 17:47:25 | Llorean | linuxstb: You should see it on the iPod Classic. I tried one at the store, and it was completely unusable. |
| 17:47:29 | bluebrother | *grrr* |
| 17:47:42 | bluebrother | another bug report against an unsupported build. hmpf. |
| 17:48:18 | pondlife | Is the Classic underpowered then? Worse than the 5.5G? |
| 17:48:52 | Llorean | pondlife: I think it's powered just fine. |
| 17:48:57 | bluebrother | Bagder: can we add a "we do not support modified builds" to the new task page? |
| 17:49:12 | Llorean | pondlife: They transitions are just slow and akward |
| 17:49:18 | Llorean | The Nano 3G is a bit better, but it's still pretty horrid. |
| 17:49:33 | Llorean | bluebrother: Which task was it? |
| 17:49:34 | linuxstb | pondlife: I would expect it to be much higher-powered than the 5.5G... |
| 17:49:50 | Nico_P | I heard coverflow is sluggish as hell too |
| 17:49:54 | bluebrother | Llorean: FS #7842. Got closed already (not by me) |
| 17:50:15 | Llorean | I'm just curious, I didn't notice it. |
| 17:50:23 | pondlife | It wasn't even a bug report really |
| 17:50:43 | pondlife | Deserved closing for multiple reasons! |
| 17:51:06 | * | pondlife waits for a delta... |
| 17:51:10 | bluebrother | yep. But someone filing a task and then revealing that it's not an official build only upon request later really pisses me off. |
| 17:51:30 | bluebrother | maybe I'm a bit in a bad mood right now, but nevertheless ... |
| 17:52:07 | pondlife | Wooh, +1918 |
| 17:52:09 | Nico_P | hmm 2k on colour targets... :( |
| 17:52:10 | Llorean | Maybe we should require an SVN revision with the task. Add a new entry in the form. |
| 17:52:40 | pondlife | Good idea |
| 17:52:59 | bluebrother | we could also add a new values to the "reported version" field and auto-reject all tasks that are not against the current build ;-) |
| 17:53:00 | pondlife | Can we validate the range too, to make sure it's not a silly number? |
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| 17:53:04 | Nico_P | pondlife: I guess with added settings and lang strings a solid increase was to be expected |
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| 17:53:11 | dionoea | require an svn revision for a bug report ? |
| 17:53:21 | dionoea | ah, like the rev of the current build ? |
| 17:53:32 | bluebrother | yep. |
| 17:53:36 | pondlife | Yes, at the time of the report... |
| 17:53:47 | Llorean | bluebrother: If it's <5 revisions old, we should probably still accept it, since those can be pumped out while you're typing your task description, or even copying over a build. |
| 17:54:04 | bluebrother | we could aotumatically parse the date part and if it's older than a couple of days reject it. |
| 17:54:05 | Nico_P | hopefully it will make people wonder whether they are using SVN and whether it's a recent version |
| 17:54:37 | bluebrother | and filter all version strings with that nice "M" in it. |
| 17:55:10 | Llorean | Well... |
| 17:55:19 | * | bluebrother has another idea ... |
| 17:55:20 | Llorean | I think every now and then the official build servers pump out one with an M |
| 17:55:36 | pixelma | there are a few of the current builds that have the M in it |
| 17:55:50 | bluebrother | parse the version string and if it indicates a modified version add an "unsupported" to the version string |
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| 17:56:27 | pixelma | at least there were |
| 17:56:27 | bluebrother | but why does this happen? It shouldn't at all. |
| 17:56:39 | Llorean | bluebrother: It's a failure somewhere. |
| 17:56:53 | Llorean | But we shouldn't reject reports due to our failures. |
| 17:57:08 | bluebrother | right ... |
| 17:57:19 | pixelma | I think it had to do with the bash/dash issue? |
| 17:57:38 | bluebrother | I'm wondering if it's possible to add something unique that indicates official builds |
| 17:58:12 | bluebrother | hmm −− how are the revision numbers on the download page generated? From the rockbox-info.txt files in the archives? |
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| 17:59:40 | bluebrother | it would really be interesting to know which servers produce the M builds and what's the cause ... |
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| 18:00:52 | bluebrother | pixelma: btw, I fixed some issues with device detection for the archos in rbutil ... in case you want to try ;-) |
| 18:01:27 | pixelma | well... my OndioFM was already detected correctly |
| 18:01:34 | bluebrother | :) |
| 18:01:47 | pixelma | when I tried last week |
| 18:01:57 | bluebrother | it should now be possible to detect all archoses ... to bad I don't one any. |
| 18:02:13 | bluebrother | but if anyone wants to test please let me know |
| 18:05:05 | pixelma | a big delta just for a gradiented selctor bar :\ |
| 18:05:13 | pixelma | *selector |
| 18:07:44 | * | bluebrother wonders why the mini has a red delta |
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| 18:10:55 | Nico_P | bluebrother: it's avery small one |
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| 18:11:37 | Nico_P | pixelma: the delta is actually mostly for the settings and associated lang strings |
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| 18:12:18 | bluebrother | Nico_P: yep ... but doesn't the change only affect color targets? |
| 18:12:27 | Nico_P | it should |
| 18:12:38 | bluebrother | that's why I'm wondering |
| 18:13:27 | bluebrother | but what do you think about an underline cursor? |
| 18:13:45 | Nico_P | could be nice, yes |
| 18:14:53 | bluebrother | could also give the possiblilty to underline arbitrary text. |
| 18:15:05 | bluebrother | I guess quite some users would like that for the wps ;-) |
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| 18:36:01 | low_light | pixelma: can you try this patch and see if reboot works? http://rafb.net/p/B4gZdr24.html |
| 18:36:45 | pixelma | sure, just a moment (compiling something else right now) |
| 18:38:21 | Temik | Hello! I need help. When i build UISimulator on FreeBSD get error - /rockbox/build-sim/apps/codecs/vorbis.o: could not read symbols: Bad value |
| 18:38:39 | Temik | Platform AMD64 |
| 18:38:42 | Spyro_boy | I can't charge my battery and listen to my sansa at the same time, can I? |
| 18:39:07 | preglow | petur: roundup looks good to me |
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| 18:43:11 | preglow | the new line selector options definitely clutter stuff up |
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| 18:43:59 | preglow | Nico_P: but it looks damned good |
| 18:44:17 | Nico_P | :) |
| 18:44:36 | preglow | ehh |
| 18:44:38 | preglow | it's buggy |
| 18:44:47 | preglow | when the line scrolled, the bar was really corrupted |
| 18:45:07 | preglow | does the patch handle line scrolling at all? :> |
| 18:45:22 | Nico_P | it should... |
| 18:45:28 | linuxstb | Shouldn't the title in the Line Selector XXX Colour settings screen scroll? |
| 18:45:28 | Nico_P | what targetre you testing on |
| 18:45:29 | Nico_P | ? |
| 18:45:34 | preglow | Nico_P: nano |
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| 18:46:01 | * | Nico_P builds a sim |
| 18:46:29 | * | preglow decides the time has come for a larger font |
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| 18:48:02 | Nico_P | preglow: scrolling lines work fine on my gigabeat |
| 18:48:11 | Nico_P | I'll check s soon as the nano sim is built |
| 18:48:56 | preglow | we really need prettier scrollbars too |
| 18:49:56 | preglow | haha, man oh man, i ended up on helvetica |
| 18:50:16 | * | low_light mumbles something about custom bitmaps for these things (selectors, scrollbars, etc) |
| 18:50:46 | preglow | a proper font, gradient bar, some nicer icons and a good scrollbar and rockbox wouldn't look half-bad, really |
| 18:51:19 | Nico_P | preglow: ah I've managed to reproduce... I had this before. it occurs when the primary colour's rgb values are greater than the secondary colour's. I thought I had fixed it though |
| 18:52:07 | preglow | Nico_P: damn, you just gave me some hope for a prettier rockbox, not bad |
| 18:52:20 | Nico_P | :) |
| 18:52:22 | pixelma | got a patch here that makes bubbles use one background bmp instead of a left and sometimes a right one. I think that's easier to handle - do I overlook something? Any objections? |
| 18:52:26 | Nico_P | want a gradient scrollbar ? :p |
| 18:52:32 | preglow | haha :D |
| 18:52:51 | Nico_P | pixelma: certainly not an objection |
| 18:53:16 | * | Nico_P tried to adapt bubbles to the gigabeat screen and it was a nightmare because of the bitmaps |
| 18:53:33 | preglow | the nano screen has sucky colours :/ |
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| 18:55:04 | preglow | grah, the wps font and the menu fonts has to be the same :/ |
| 18:56:08 | pixelma | Nico_P: started that once too, but gave up when I didn't find the cause why my drawing the board with a y-offset didn't work correctly - still have a mockup here (maybe I'll pick that up later again) |
| 18:56:11 | preglow | anyone planning to fix that? :V |
| 18:56:42 | nls | pixelma: keep in mind that the bitmaps for the bubbles aren't drawn transparently but rather they are squares with the same background color as the background in the game |
| 18:57:10 | preglow | petur: the mob entry is a bit wrong, though, a fixed number of files can have their metadata loaded, not only one file |
| 18:57:13 | pixelma | doesn't matter for the background - and it doesn't change the look at all |
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| 18:57:41 | Nico_P | preglow: I think I've fixed it |
| 18:57:45 | nls | pixelma: ah just in case you made it look different |
| 18:57:57 | Nico_P | preglow: I mean the buggy scrolling |
| 18:58:21 | preglow | Nico_P: yeah, understood that |
| 18:58:57 | pixelma | nls: also I already discovered that, I also prepared the c200 version... ;) |
| 18:59:21 | preglow | for once in my frigging life, i actually WANT to try my hand at some gui code |
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| 19:00:03 | pixelma | low_light: good news... reboot from a running rockbox to OF works with that patch :) |
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| 19:00:43 | preglow | amiconn: is the full 0-255% range really necessary for stereo width? |
| 19:00:58 | preglow | it's bloody boring to scroll from 100% to 255% |
| 19:01:20 | preglow | i'd say a 5% increment should be enough |
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| 19:02:39 | Nico_P | preglow: fix committed |
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| 19:02:45 | preglow | Nico_P: will test |
| 19:03:12 | low_light | pixelma: it's magic :) |
| 19:05:33 | Nico_P | preglow: the scrollbar widget would be a nice thing to make prettier, as it's used in plenty of places |
| 19:05:36 | preglow | Nico_P: fixed |
| 19:05:42 | Nico_P | cool :) |
| 19:06:19 | low_light | pixelma: if you can do some testing...try commenting out the pp_i2c_send command to turn off the backlight |
| 19:06:30 | Nico_P | preglow: I hope you don't mind me not writing your full name in the commit message... "preglow" was shorter ;) |
| 19:07:05 | preglow | can't say i care much, heh |
| 19:07:12 | preglow | i'm cool as long as the bug's fixed |
| 19:07:21 | low_light | pixelma: and separately try the OF magic number with the pp_i2c_send command (since we know it didn't work without it) |
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| 19:08:14 | amiconn | oh my... |
| 19:08:18 | low_light | pixelma: Zagor will have to test too, since he seemed to indicate that reboot was ok, but it wouldn't load the OF after reboot |
| 19:08:20 | pixelma | low_light: where? Hard for me to keep an overview ATM as I'm working on my own changes at the same time |
| 19:09:11 | |Rain| | oi. what's the recommended version of gcc for PP-based platforms? I'm starting to think I have a knack for triggering gcc bugs |
| 19:09:18 | preglow | 4.0.2, afaik |
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| 19:09:33 | preglow | just use rockboxdev.sh, that does what you need |
| 19:09:34 | low_light | pixelma: system_reboot() in firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c |
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| 19:09:45 | amiconn | |Rain|: 4.0.3 |
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| 19:10:01 | preglow | amiconn: did you see my stereo width question? |
| 19:10:07 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:10:27 | amiconn | Why not keep the 1% steps? They don't hurt... |
| 19:10:38 | preglow | they do, it takes ages to scroll from 100% to 255% |
| 19:10:46 | preglow | and when something takes ages, something is wrong |
| 19:10:51 | preglow | from a user interface point of view |
| 19:10:52 | |Rain| | I'm using 4.0.4... I wonder whether I'm just that unlucky |
| 19:11:11 | GodEater | |Rain|: why haven't you used rockboxdev.sh ? |
| 19:11:14 | amiconn | Sure not ages... |
| 19:11:47 | * | amiconn thinks that it's quite fast |
| 19:12:16 | preglow | amiconn: took eight seconds here, on h120 |
| 19:12:19 | preglow | amiconn: slower on ipods |
| 19:12:25 | |Rain| | GodEater: it was easier to build the cross-compiler myself to keep it with my other cross compilers |
| 19:13:12 | amiconn | 7 seconds on ipod for me... |
| 19:13:17 | low_light | preglow: isn't there a page-down keypress |
| 19:13:28 | preglow | low_light: don't know, and if there is, i doubt most people know about it |
| 19:13:35 | preglow | amiconn: still, that's too lonmg, if you ask me |
| 19:13:48 | preglow | amiconn: and is the difference between 50 and 55% really very audible? |
| 19:14:03 | preglow | to my ears: almost not at all |
| 19:14:21 | amiconn | Maybe not much. But I like high precision :) |
| 19:14:26 | preglow | heh |
| 19:14:28 | preglow | i do too |
| 19:14:39 | preglow | but not when it comes at the expense of being able to use something without being annoyed |
| 19:14:48 | amiconn | The limit at 255% is historical, btw |
| 19:14:55 | preglow | ahh, yeah, i figured |
| 19:15:14 | amiconn | (from the old bit based settings saving. Maxed out 8 bits) |
| 19:15:35 | preglow | but 255% _does_ result in a 255% stereo expansion, yes? |
| 19:15:41 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:15:52 | preglow | then i don't really see a problem with it |
| 19:16:10 | |Rain| | hooray! now the rockbox wiki is telling me to go take a flying leap |
| 19:16:12 | preglow | might as well expand it to 300% for all i care, what i care about are the tiny steps |
| 19:16:32 | amiconn | Users might wonder about the strange steps. I'd say either 250% or 300% would be better |
| 19:16:45 | amiconn | s/steps/limit/ |
| 19:16:49 | preglow | yeah |
| 19:16:50 | preglow | agreed |
| 19:17:15 | amiconn | Perhaps 5% steps are sufficient, need to try. I only ever use 120% |
| 19:17:16 | preglow | and i'd rather go up than down, but a ten second scroll is just too much for me, so i'd rather not go 300% unless the steps get bigger |
| 19:17:26 | preglow | amiconn: please do, i'd love to shorten it |
| 19:17:39 | preglow | ehh, not shorten, the other thing :P |
| 19:17:50 | pixelma | low_light: commented that line out, the reboot still works here :) |
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| 19:18:39 | preglow | anyway, i need to go shop some stuff |
| 19:18:40 | preglow | brb |
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| 19:26:42 | low_light | pixelma: interesting...that combination freezes my c200 as you described earlier :/ |
| 19:28:39 | low_light | that is BL magic = freeze, but backlight off + BL magic = OK |
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| 19:30:13 | pixelma | Nico_P: I don't get the new settings - one has to set the selector type to gradient one level deeper than the colours for it? |
| 19:30:42 | Nico_P | pixelma: I don't understand your question |
| 19:30:56 | Nico_P | "one level deeper" especially |
| 19:31:03 | amiconn | low_light, pixelma: Do you think it makes sense to lower the c200 lcd colour depth in order to speed things up? |
| 19:31:33 | amiconn | The lcd could do 12bit (4096 colours), with 3 bytes for 2 pixels instead of 4, speeding things up by ~33% |
| 19:32:12 | pixelma | Nico_P: choosing the selector type is in "lcd settings > selector type" while setting the gradient colours would be in "lcd settings" |
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| 19:32:49 | Nico_P | pixelma: all the settings are in "lcd settings", including the "selector type" |
| 19:32:51 | pixelma | that doesn't make sense IMO |
| 19:34:14 | Nico_P | "selector type" is a first setting and the colour settings are right after it... what's wrong with that ? |
| 19:34:43 | pixelma | if one sees the color settings and doesn't know they are related to the selector type, s/he sets it and nothing would happen, or? |
| 19:34:57 | Nico_P | you'd want the colour settings to be in a submenu of "gradient" ? |
| 19:35:22 | pixelma | no, but maybe at least in the selector settings |
| 19:35:32 | amiconn | ? |
| 19:35:48 | Nico_P | there is no selector settings menu |
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| 19:36:07 | pixelma | huh? |
| 19:36:12 | * | Nico_P is confused |
| 19:36:12 | bluebrother | someone needs to reorder the menus anyway. |
| 19:36:46 | bluebrother | maybe I should give it a try over the weekend −− wanted to do this sometime anyway |
| 19:37:58 | * | amiconn thinks that pixelma is confusing something |
| 19:38:07 | amiconn | Rockbox has no concept of "sub options" |
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| 19:39:24 | pixelma | maybe, but if I wouldn't discuss here, I might miss the connection between the selector type "gradient" and the colour settings for it :\ |
| 19:40:13 | amiconn | Then you would miss the connection between "Stereo Width" and the Channel configuration set to "Custom" the same way? |
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| 19:40:31 | pixelma | I often do, yes |
| 19:42:35 | * | amiconn actually likes this settings independency |
| 19:43:00 | amiconn | It allows to prepare values for a certain feature, and only enable it when needed/wanted |
| 19:45:15 | bluebrother | do we have our fnt format documented somewhere or only in the source? |
| 19:46:06 | pixelma | maybe it has some advantages and it didn't bother me much but not very intuitive (at least to my way of thinking) |
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| 19:48:27 | nls | amiconn: I made a simple counter for buffer misses in the midiplay plugin and disabled cpu boosting, when compiling with -O2 i get 23% fewer misses on a test track :-) |
| 19:48:27 | Temik | I need help! When i build UISimulator on FreeBSD amd64 get error - /usr/bin/ld: /usr/home/temik/rockbox/build-sim/apps/codecs/vorbis.o: relocation R_X86_64_32S can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC |
| 19:50:10 | pixelma | low_light: interesting, do you think it's different hardware or OF revisions or something else? |
| 19:50:59 | amiconn | bluebrother: Btw, it seems you didn't read the log |
| 19:51:25 | amiconn | The recorder v2 ID is *only* 2; the archos website provides a wrong firmware |
| 19:51:39 | amiconn | (which would never run on a v2) |
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| 19:51:59 | nls | Temik: is -fPIC icluded on the GCCOPTS line in your /usr/home/temik/rockbox/build-sim/Makefile ? |
| 19:52:59 | bluebrother | amiconn: oh, ok. |
| 19:53:13 | bluebrother | no, haven't found the time to read the logs. Will do now. |
| 19:53:20 | Temik | nls: No |
| 19:53:35 | nls | Temik: does it work if you add it? |
| 19:54:06 | * | bluebrother goes fixing |
| 19:55:07 | amiconn | bluebrother: The archos website provides the OndioFM v1.32b firmware as "v2". This is clearly identifiable because it's so huge compared to normal archos firmwares |
| 19:55:11 | low_light | pixelma: I have no idea. I guess I'll go with the first patch as it works for both of us...I'll wait for Zagor to test |
| 19:55:17 | amiconn | 1.32b contains a flash upgrade, hence its size |
| 19:55:56 | amiconn | low_light: Did you see my question regarding c200 lcd colour depth? |
| 19:56:25 | low_light | amiconn: I have not objection to lowering the color depth. The c200 screen isn't that great anyway. |
| 19:56:26 | amiconn | bluebrother: Rockbox' .fnt format is based on microwindows (called Nano-X nowadays), but evolved since |
| 19:56:50 | low_light | but I'm sure someone will want to use mpegplayer on the c200 |
| 19:56:55 | amiconn | That's because the rockbox font code was originally written by the microwindows author |
| 19:57:17 | amiconn | low_light: Yes, and that might work better when there's less data to move |
| 19:57:40 | amiconn | Dithering will help to avoid banding |
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| 19:58:02 | RaZorbacK | hi |
| 19:58:17 | amiconn | The framebuffer would still be 16 bit for easier handling, just the format would be XRGB4444 instead of RGB565 |
| 19:58:25 | amiconn | (X == dontcare) |
| 19:58:39 | Temik | nls: Thank you! |
| 19:58:57 | pixelma | low_light: ok, sure - fwiw mine's running the 1.00.04F sansa firmware (didn't change the one it came with) |
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| 19:59:05 | RaZorbacK | i've just updated to a new revision but i would like to revert without loosing the functionnalities of the patches i've applied. is there a way ? |
| 19:59:15 | bluebrother | amiconn: thanks :) |
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| 20:00:31 | |Rain| | figures, the 'officially sanctioned' version of gcc is doing the same thing to me :/ |
| 20:00:33 | nls | Temik: np, it seems the configure script only adds the -fPIC flag if it gets "x86_64" back from "uname -m" could you run that command and see wht it outputs? |
| 20:00:41 | pixelma | amiconn: I'd like to see how the quality would be then |
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| 20:01:15 | theclaw | hi there :) |
| 20:01:36 | low_light | pixelma: I've got 1.01.00...that's the "official" version according to http://www.sandisk.com/Retail/Default.aspx?CatID=1376 |
| 20:02:02 | nls | RaZorbacK: "svn up -r <revision>" should do it |
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| 20:03:04 | low_light | pixelma: if you want to upgrade, you can get the files from zefie: http://files.zefie.com/PMP/sansa/c200/ |
| 20:03:41 | Temik | nls: amd64 |
| 20:03:57 | pixelma | low_light: I didn't care enough about the OF revision to want to upgrade ;) |
| 20:03:58 | nls | Temik: just like that "amd64" ? |
| 20:04:05 | Temik | yes |
| 20:04:09 | nls | ok, thanks |
| 20:04:10 | RaZorbacK | what is "gradient colour"? i'm trying to translate |
| 20:04:18 | RaZorbacK | please |
| 20:04:20 | Temik | [temik@dhcppc0 ~]$ uname -m |
| 20:04:20 | Temik | amd64 |
| 20:04:20 | Temik | [temik@dhcppc0 ~]$ |
| 20:05:02 | RaZorbacK | nls: ok thx |
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| 20:05:55 | advcomp2019 | low_light, sandisk did have 1.01.05 but they remove msc mode and people got mad so that is why they went back to 1.01.00 i read right |
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| 20:05:57 | low_light | pixelma: just curious if it effects this reboot issue. The OF bootloader could use different hardware settings. I suppose I could try too. |
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| 20:07:00 | pixelma | low_light: yeah, would be an interesting test |
| 20:07:22 | low_light | advcomp2019: yes I saw those on zefie's site. |
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| 20:12:11 | nls | Temik: could you try the change to the configure script I just committed to svn, just do a "svn up" and rerun configure for your sim to see if -fPIC is now included? |
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| 20:15:10 | Temik | nls: I badly understand how can do it? (Sorry for english, I'm from Russia) |
| 20:16:11 | nls | Temik: update from svn, run configure again and see if it now includes -fPIC on the GCCOPTS line in the Makefile |
| 20:17:23 | Temik | nls: I'm build from SVN. -fPIC not include |
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| 20:17:58 | nls | Temik: yes, but I committed a fix 5 minutes ago |
| 20:18:02 | low_light | amiconn: what's the burst mode mentioned in the lcd datasheet? |
| 20:18:10 | nls | just want to see if it really works |
| 20:18:28 | Temik | nls: )))) |
| 20:18:48 | amiconn | low_light: Well, it is burst mode. It would be faster - if we could control the cycle time of the PP's lcd bridge |
| 20:19:37 | low_light | ok...I guess I just meant to ask if it was something we could use |
| 20:20:19 | amiconn | But if we knew how to control that cycle time, lcd updates on c200 (and greyscale ipods) could be made a lot faster than now - without needing burst mode |
| 20:23:35 | Temik | nls: -fPIC present |
| 20:23:36 | amiconn | I am talking about an order of magnitude here - compare greyscale ipod lcd framerates with H1x0, and you see what I mean... |
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| 20:23:45 | nls | Temik: greak, thanks! :-) |
| 20:23:52 | nls | s/greak/great |
| 20:24:28 | Temik | nls: What is-fPIC? |
| 20:25:34 | nls | Temik: it tells the linker to make the binaries position independent so i guess it means "Position Independent Code" or something |
| 20:26:02 | Temik | nls: Thanks |
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| 20:29:43 | |Rain| | anyone know what the odds of the bootloader legitimately hitting MAX_NUM_TICK_TASKS is? I'm pretty sure I'm dealing with yet another gcc bug, but I'm not sure, since i in tick_add_task was really 8 and not something that looked completely bogus |
| 20:30:29 | |Rain| | (of course, if I make the panicf at the end of tick_add_task print the addresses of each function, the panic doesn't even occur) |
| 20:30:38 | * | bluebrother found FontFormat :) |
| 20:32:01 | amiconn | |Rain|: Tick tasks must not be used in the bootloader as they require interrupts to be enabled |
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| 20:41:20 | codesquid | Greetings |
| 20:41:30 | codesquid | I like the new gradient line selector |
| 20:42:59 | |Rain| | amiconn: how am I allegedly ending up with 8, then? hopefully the table is just uninitialized... |
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| 20:43:57 | |Rain| | that gives me a little more to work with, anyway... thanks |
| 20:44:16 | florinp3 | hello everybody |
| 20:44:21 | florinp3 | regarding: B#7510 |
| 20:44:43 | florinp3 | I can lend my iPod Nano to a developer |
| 20:44:52 | florinp3 | I live in the EU |
| 20:45:03 | florinp3 | (Romania) |
| 20:45:10 | Lear | nls: gcc 4.3 doesn't generate very good code in mdct.c, so some assembler I had tried earlier was useful now. Sped things up by about 5%. Still some ways to go... |
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| 20:45:52 | nls | Lear: good news, was that with tomals patches or without? |
| 20:46:07 | Lear | All without. |
| 20:46:58 | nls | ok, well it's not too late to hope they fix these regressions although the chanses are probably pretty slim... |
| 20:47:15 | tumu | nls, -fprofile-arcs did work, but it didn't create all datafiles, possibly due to sim not closing how it requires |
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| 20:48:09 | nls | Lear: maybe that's why libmad is so indifferent, because of the fast asm idct (or whatever it is) |
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| 20:48:43 | nls | tumu: so, did it tell you anything helpfull? also what target do you have? |
| 20:49:08 | tumu | nls, no, it didn't because of missing datafile and i have e200 |
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| 20:50:49 | nls | tumu: as I told you yesterday, rockbox has on target profiling support, but for arm you would have to adapt the processing script. Maybe that would be useful? |
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| 20:51:28 | Lear | nls: Possibly, but AAC is much faster... But gcc does silly things here, IMHO. |
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| 20:51:50 | nls | silly fast? ;-) |
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| 20:52:15 | tumu | nls, it would as well, but the gcc one should also work if someone took a look at the sim what it does wrong in the exiting |
| 20:53:15 | tumu | kinda stupid to create specialized solutions for already available things :) |
| 20:53:30 | nls | tumu, jhMikeS was digging around the sim not long ago maybe he knows what needs to be done? |
| 20:54:03 | nls | well the rockbox profiling is a port of some library IIRC |
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| 20:55:38 | preglow | are anyone planning on coding support for different fonts on different screens? i want the wps font to be able to be different to the menu font |
| 20:56:27 | amiconn | hrmph! |
| 20:57:32 | preglow | surely, expecting the same font to be usable both places is silly, the wps might have to pack more information into one screen than menus |
| 20:58:45 | florinp3 | nobody wants a Nano? |
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| 20:58:51 | florinp3 | amiconn? |
| 20:59:18 | preglow | i have one |
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| 21:00:30 | florinp3 | can you fix B#7510? :D |
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| 21:00:48 | preglow | if it's about the crashing: mine isn't affected |
| 21:01:03 | florinp3 | mine is |
| 21:01:29 | florinp3 | that's why I'm willing to send it to someone |
| 21:01:37 | preglow | i don't think i'd be the right persron for that |
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| 21:02:25 | Nico_P | amiconn: do you have something against having separate fonts for menus and the WPS ? |
| 21:02:35 | Nico_P | preglow: have you looked at the multifont patch ? |
| 21:02:42 | preglow | Nico_P: didn't know it existed... |
| 21:02:59 | preglow | seeing it now |
| 21:02:59 | low_light | preglow: maybe viewports can have different fonts ;) |
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| 21:03:28 | preglow | we should decide how we want multi font support to work, though |
| 21:04:09 | amiconn | I can only imagine one thing where we actually need more than one font - the targets with lcd remote |
| 21:04:19 | preglow | well |
| 21:04:22 | preglow | _need_ is the wrong word |
| 21:04:26 | amiconn | Multiple fonts will need more ram |
| 21:04:29 | preglow | we certainly don't need it |
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| 21:04:45 | amiconn | markun said that he was working on a more efficient font caching method |
| 21:04:51 | preglow | would be cool |
| 21:05:00 | preglow | but the fact is most people are willing to sacrifice some ram for this |
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| 21:05:06 | preglow | and the amount we're speaking about isn't big |
| 21:05:07 | preglow | 100k? |
| 21:06:02 | amiconn | 100k *is* big for some targets |
| 21:06:05 | low_light | It would be nice for the gigabeat...a smaller font in the file/list view and larger font in the wps |
| 21:06:07 | amiconn | It's in fact huge |
| 21:06:10 | preglow | amiconn: not every target needs to have it |
| 21:06:35 | amiconn | That means more special casing in the code, which I don't like if its not needed |
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| 21:06:45 | preglow | then please let's fork away the archoses :( |
| 21:06:55 | preglow | if they're going to limit everything, this will be no fun |
| 21:06:57 | pixelma | no :( |
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| 21:07:23 | preglow | i don't really want to either |
| 21:07:31 | preglow | but if i can't have multifont support because of them, then i want to fork them |
| 21:07:53 | amiconn | We can probably have multifont support |
| 21:08:03 | preglow | it's logical you can't expect a seven year old dap to support what newer ones can anyway |
| 21:08:06 | amiconn | But imo it's not a priority at all |
| 21:08:07 | preglow | no one would expect that |
| 21:08:28 | amiconn | And if it can be done with low impact, it should be done that way |
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| 21:08:40 | preglow | it won't happen because it's a priority, it'll happen because someone comes along and wants it enough to do it |
| 21:08:53 | * | amiconn prods markun |
| 21:08:57 | preglow | and at that point, i don't want to say "no, stop. we're not doing that because our seven year old targets only have two megs of ram" |
| 21:09:30 | |Rain| | amiconn: are you sure tick_add_task is unsafe in the bootloader? I made it panic on any use in the bootloader, and the first thing it's trying to add is button_tick, which I'd think would've been noticed by now... |
| 21:09:30 | preglow | well, sure, but i know nothing about font rendering. if low impact is possible, then surely, that's the way to go |
| 21:09:34 | * | Nico_P agrees completely |
| 21:09:41 | preglow | i'm just assuming a fair deal of memory will be used anyway. we are talking bitmaps, after all |
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| 21:10:20 | amiconn | Nah |
| 21:10:26 | amiconn | The font cache isn't that huge |
| 21:10:32 | preglow | what size are we talking? |
| 21:10:36 | amiconn | Fonts are mono bitmaps after all |
| 21:10:41 | TMM | pretty pictures? :D |
| 21:10:42 | TMM | yay! |
| 21:10:44 | pixelma | I didn't see that happen with so many other features (that they were stopped because for this reason) yet |
| 21:10:55 | pixelma | -because |
| 21:11:21 | preglow | pixelma: not saying they have, but i'd really just like to make it clear what our stance is on it |
| 21:11:37 | preglow | can't do that unless you stress the issue a bit from time to time :) |
| 21:12:22 | preglow | i'd like nothing more (well, perhaps a couple of things...) than developing a firmware that makes old hardware work better, but at some point we're going to struggle with limits |
| 21:12:36 | preglow | and we'll need to decide how to handle that |
| 21:13:25 | Nico_P | we're already having this performance gap with the gigabeat, and it will only widen with new targets |
| 21:14:07 | TMM | what's the core speed of most targets? the ipods are dual 80mhz arm's right? are the older targets much slower? |
| 21:14:09 | * | Nico_P hopes to put the 500 MHz with FPU of the gigabeat S to good use |
| 21:14:11 | preglow | pesky gigabeat :P |
| 21:15:27 | preglow | Nico_P: man, this gradient stuff is sweeet :P |
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| 21:15:47 | Nico_P | TMM: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart |
| 21:15:56 | Nico_P | preglow: it grows on you, doesn't it ? |
| 21:16:04 | TMM | Nico_P: thanks |
| 21:16:12 | preglow | grew further in this case, i liked it even from the start |
| 21:16:19 | nls | TMM: the coldfire targets are 124 MHz but are a lot faster than the arms in some cases and a lot slower in some |
| 21:16:39 | preglow | i'd say the potential to make fast code is better for the coldfire, though |
| 21:16:39 | massiveH | the archos recorder is 12mhz... |
| 21:17:09 | TMM | wow... almost 300 mhz for the gigabeat? |
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| 21:17:13 | pixelma | but it doesn't have to do the decoding on the cpu |
| 21:17:21 | TMM | I installed ubuntu feisty on a p2-350 yesterday :) |
| 21:17:29 | massiveH | eh, technacalities.... |
| 21:17:31 | Jeffrey_L | hello.. how do i reset my ipod? holding play doesnt work |
| 21:17:43 | GodEater | TMM - yeah the Gigabeat F/X is pretty quick |
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| 21:17:55 | TMM | pretty impressive |
| 21:17:55 | Nico_P | TMM: now you see what I'm talking about :) |
| 21:17:59 | preglow | Nico_P: though 2k2 size delta for the patch is kinda nasty, if you ask me |
| 21:18:05 | TMM | Nico_P: NICE hardware :D |
| 21:18:09 | amiconn | preglow: Don't forget that the archoses are not the only low mem targets |
| 21:18:17 | GodEater | Jeffrey_L: you have to hold menu + select to reset if it's a modenish ipod |
| 21:18:20 | preglow | amiconn: true |
| 21:18:27 | GodEater | modernish |
| 21:18:30 | preglow | amiconn: ifp too, yeah? |
| 21:18:30 | amiconn | There's also the iFP. It progresses slowly, but it still progresses |
| 21:18:35 | Jeffrey_L | thanks god |
| 21:18:36 | Nico_P | TMM: and the S has 530 MHz + FPU |
| 21:18:38 | TMM | well, the iAudio's have 120Mhz, as does the 6 and 7. so, not all that bad :) |
| 21:18:43 | * | amiconn would like tomal to be more communicative :/ |
| 21:19:03 | Nico_P | preglow: yeah, I agree it's a bit much... 500 bytes are for the menus though |
| 21:19:05 | TMM | Nico_P: and an FPU? if it has an MMU as well, it could do with a pretty full-fledged linux port as well :) |
| 21:19:13 | amiconn | Nico_P: what a waste.... imo |
| 21:19:26 | preglow | Nico_P: another good reason to just not bundle the menus, if you ask me |
| 21:19:27 | amiconn | (the 500+Mhz) |
| 21:19:39 | preglow | sure is a waste |
| 21:19:42 | TMM | waste? no need to figure out all the pesky extra processors :) you can just use the main proc :) |
| 21:19:44 | preglow | but a cool one :) |
| 21:20:01 | Nico_P | amiconn: it's probably one of the reasons for the poor battery life |
| 21:20:12 | GodEater | someone needs to update the device chart with the 1/2G ipods and the c200 sansa |
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| 21:20:41 | preglow | amiconn: anyway, the reason i want multifont support is i just switched to helvetica for menus and found that to be really usable, but then icatcher suddenly looks like a car crash |
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| 21:20:54 | preglow | amiconn: and no surprise either, it needs a smaller font than i'd like for menus |
| 21:21:36 | Jeffrey_L | thanks for all the great work on rockbox, you guys rule |
| 21:21:37 | Jeffrey_L | night |
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| 21:22:23 | Nico_P | TMM: the S runs windows :) |
| 21:22:31 | preglow | ahahaha, sweet lord |
| 21:22:34 | pixelma | agreed having a font for menu and another for the wps would be ok, but I don't need no multiple fonts in one screen (just makes it less readable in most cases) |
| 21:22:35 | GodEater | you said the W word |
| 21:22:35 | Nico_P | and freescale offers linux for the CPU as dev tool |
| 21:22:36 | GodEater | out |
| 21:22:50 | Nico_P | :( |
| 21:22:55 | GodEater | :) |
| 21:23:02 | preglow | pixelma: i mostly agree, but i'd rather we try to think out a way to make that possible too |
| 21:23:06 | TMM | Nico_P: WHAT? |
| 21:23:10 | preglow | pixelma: several fonts in one screen should be used with extreme care, though |
| 21:23:29 | preglow | general typographic advice |
| 21:23:31 | tumu | each char with different font ftw! |
| 21:23:35 | Nico_P | TMM: well, not the same windows as desktops... it's windows portable or something like that |
| 21:23:41 | preglow | though often a separate font for some kind of "title" works out nice |
| 21:23:42 | TMM | *shudder* |
| 21:23:53 | XavierGr | preglow: yeah for displaying rtf documents :P |
| 21:24:22 | preglow | what the hell is this, microsoft day? :P |
| 21:24:38 | * | GodEater hopes not |
| 21:24:39 | preglow | we already have wma, now leavy us alone! |
| 21:24:44 | preglow | leave <- |
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| 21:24:51 | Nico_P | preglow: maybe not several fonts but several font sizes |
| 21:24:55 | pixelma | more important to me wrt multiple fonts to me is the already mentioned remote and main display issue |
| 21:24:55 | XavierGr | don't hit me I was kidding :D |
| 21:25:03 | senab | i only think multifont is useful when using diff sizes of the same fonr |
| 21:25:04 | preglow | Nico_P: which is the same as several fonts for us |
| 21:25:08 | Nico_P | true |
| 21:25:22 | preglow | pixelma: at least that's a real practical issue |
| 21:25:29 | Nico_P | but from a typographic standpoint, size is better |
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| 21:25:52 | preglow | size or weight |
| 21:25:53 | TMM | does anyone know of a tool to see the difference between two binary files? kind of like the source diff viewer with a hex editor or something? |
| 21:25:55 | amiconn | That gradient thing looks strange :\ |
| 21:25:56 | pixelma | especially for the H300s/H100s with the same remote displays |
| 21:26:04 | nls | preglow: what would be nice IMHO is a way to specify a max size for the font in a screen for example say we need 6 lines, check if that will fit otherwise tell the font code to load the largest one that fits of the same font family |
| 21:26:08 | senab | i like the gradient thing |
| 21:26:11 | preglow | amiconn: you mean the gradient itself? it looks linear now |
| 21:26:16 | low_light | amiconn: on the c200 lcd, should lcd_enable(false) turn on standby mode? or set display off? |
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| 21:26:29 | Nico_P | TMM: cmp |
| 21:26:36 | TMM | Nico_P: cmp? |
| 21:26:55 | Nico_P | TMM: it can compare files... not exactly like you aksed though |
| 21:27:00 | senab | i think it would be nice to have some padding around the text on the menu otherwise the gradient is too small imo |
| 21:27:00 | [omni] | TMM: there's a perl utility called hexdiff |
| 21:27:06 | [omni] | *script |
| 21:27:15 | TMM | forget it, the files are the same :D |
| 21:27:25 | TMM | which is odd |
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| 21:27:35 | [omni] | TMM: same checksum? |
| 21:27:38 | TMM | yeah |
| 21:27:52 | pixelma | senab: use a different font? ;) |
| 21:28:00 | TMM | this tool seems to do a great deal more then just do a copy |
| 21:28:08 | TMM | but, it doesn't ;) |
| 21:28:19 | TMM | well, not on this input file anyway |
| 21:28:20 | TMM | crud |
| 21:28:33 | senab | pixelma: true lol |
| 21:29:17 | TMM | weird |
| 21:30:35 | TMM | ARGH... the bloody thing changes both the input AND the output file |
| 21:30:41 | TMM | jezus fuck |
| 21:30:43 | senab | infact the more i look at it, the more im not liking the gradient |
| 21:31:05 | TMM | what the hell |
| 21:31:22 | Nico_P | senab: what don't you like with it ? |
| 21:31:39 | senab | personal taste ;) |
| 21:31:40 | preglow | btw, whatever happened to paprica? |
| 21:31:43 | preglow | i want more games :P |
| 21:32:00 | * | low_light whispers bitmap selector...would make everyone happy :) |
| 21:32:07 | preglow | our breakout clone friggin' beats apple's to cat food |
| 21:33:29 | TMM | what's the bloody point of having an OUTPUT file, it it changes the INPUT file to the EXACT same as the output file? |
| 21:33:44 | TMM | and it DOES change the input file, I checked 4 times |
| 21:33:48 | senab | regarding the colour chooser, why does green go to 63, and blue and red go to 31? |
| 21:33:59 | TMM | change and copy, holy hell... retards |
| 21:34:06 | TMM | </rant> |
| 21:34:12 | nls | senab: because of rgb 565 |
| 21:34:26 | nls | 5 bits for red and blue 6 for green |
| 21:34:47 | Nico_P | TMM: what tool is doing this ? |
| 21:34:56 | TMM | stupid firmware sign tool |
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| 21:34:59 | senab | ahhhhh! u learn something every day |
| 21:35:39 | * | TMM frustrated |
| 21:36:02 | TMM | time for a beer :D |
| 21:36:08 | * | senab agress |
| 21:36:31 | senab | for god sake, i can't spell today |
| 21:36:44 | TMM | senab: looks like you've had about enough |
| 21:37:04 | senab | i wish lol |
| 21:37:20 | TMM | and an episode of stargate |
| 21:37:22 | TMM | damn this |
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| 21:38:51 | senab | would using a large iconset increase the line height? |
| 21:39:22 | Nico_P | senab: no, the icons would be drawn on top of each other |
| 21:39:23 | low_light | I believe the font controls line height |
| 21:39:44 | senab | ok, cheers |
| 21:41:31 | Nico_P | toffe82: the article you added to ArticlesAboutRockox was already in it |
| 21:41:43 | bascule2 | What does this Sansa option mean/do? Sleep (After Backlight Off) |
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| 21:42:00 | bascule2 | Doesn't seem to do anything for me |
| 21:42:00 | toffe82 | Nico_P: it is not the same |
| 21:43:10 | Nico_P | toffe82: http://www.linuxworld.com/news/2007/082207-rock-the-ipod-with-open-source.html?page=1 |
| 21:43:16 | Nico_P | I don't see a difference |
| 21:43:42 | toffe82 | the wps picture :) |
| 21:43:59 | toffe82 | ok it is the same but not in the same magazine |
| 21:44:02 | Nico_P | actually the article is originally from PC world, but it's was written the 22nd of august |
| 21:44:51 | senab | bascule2: read the manual :P |
| 21:45:04 | toffe82 | I just receive pcworld this week with this review of rockbox |
| 21:45:18 | Nico_P | nice :) |
| 21:45:31 | Nico_P | toffe82: are you editing the wiki page ? |
| 21:45:34 | senab | is pcworld a US mag then? |
| 21:45:38 | toffe82 | not now |
| 21:45:39 | bascule2 | senab: it's not in the manual |
| 21:45:40 | Nico_P | I can do it if you want |
| 21:45:42 | toffe82 | yes |
| 21:46:03 | toffe82 | Nico_P: edit for what ? |
| 21:46:32 | Nico_P | I just wanted to get the date and source right :) |
| 21:47:01 | toffe82 | ok, I have to check the date on the magazine but it should be the one of october |
| 21:47:31 | Nico_P | it's written 22nd of october right under the title of the article |
| 21:47:47 | Nico_P | so it's the second time rockbox gets a review in PC World :) |
| 21:47:58 | toffe82 | yes |
| 21:48:31 | toffe82 | 22 of august |
| 21:48:33 | toffe82 | :) |
| 21:48:43 | Nico_P | err yes, august |
| 21:49:08 | bascule2 | senab: that's the point. It's also not anywhere in the Wiki or the forums |
| 21:49:13 | toffe82 | but th magazine is from this month, we should put the date of the magazine, I will check tonight |
| 21:49:20 | muesli-_ | davina there? |
| 21:49:36 | senab | bascule2: afaik, it's actually turning the lcd off |
| 21:50:01 | Nico_P | toffe82: so maybe add "published in the −− issue" |
| 21:50:43 | toffe82 | ok |
| 21:50:48 | bascule2 | senab: so, screen power off, rather than just switching off the light? |
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| 21:50:55 | senab | bascule2: so in theory if you shine a light on the screen when the backlight has gone out you should see something |
| 21:51:10 | senab | bascule2: yes |
| 21:51:46 | toffe82 | Nico_P: I will fix it tonight :) |
| 21:51:57 | Nico_P | ok :) |
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| 21:52:06 | preglow | can anyone tell me why this hasn't been commited? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7763 |
| 21:52:06 | davina | hello |
| 21:52:09 | Nico_P | btw, I completely forgot to buy a screwdriver today |
| 21:52:41 | muesli-_ | davina pls join #blub since i cant query u... |
| 21:52:51 | Nico_P | preglow: very good question |
| 21:53:09 | preglow | someone with a 5g should just check it out and commit it |
| 21:53:33 | senab | is it specific to a 5g though? |
| 21:53:38 | preglow | well, looks like it |
| 21:54:02 | davina | why? |
| 21:54:14 | preglow | because it talks to ipod video hardware? |
| 21:54:17 | preglow | i can't think of any other reason |
| 21:54:28 | muesli-_ | davina cos im not registered |
| 21:54:35 | preglow | muesli-_: then register |
| 21:54:43 | senab | preglow: i doubt it even touches the broadcom chip |
| 21:55:06 | preglow | the routine does, the changed code doesn't |
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| 21:55:30 | Nico_P | preglow: really ? what do you mean ? |
| 21:56:12 | preglow | the routine does talk to the broadcom chip, yes |
| 21:56:16 | preglow | so you can't just use it on a nano |
| 21:56:19 | bascule2 | senab: thanks |
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| 21:56:31 | * | davina eats muesli for breakfast :) |
| 21:56:40 | Nico_P | preglow: what does it say to the chip ? "go to sleep" ? |
| 21:56:52 | muesli- | go ahead mate ;) |
| 21:57:05 | preglow | Nico_P: all lcd accesses is done through it |
| 21:57:15 | Nico_P | oh |
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| 21:57:44 | zoook | hi |
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| 21:59:20 | preglow | so back to my point, why isn't it commited? |
| 21:59:43 | nls | preglow: because you haven't comitted it yet? ;-) |
| 21:59:46 | Nico_P | no one to review it ? |
| 21:59:56 | preglow | someone would need to test it, yet |
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| 22:00:04 | preglow | nls: have no video :/ |
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| 22:01:52 | senab | i noticed something on my sansa display today, if you move the scrollwheel fast then the display kinda 'ghosts' |
| 22:03:06 | preglow | anyone have a video and can test it? |
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| 22:03:30 | preglow | oh, there he was :P |
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| 22:04:16 | * | senab wonders who (or what) preglow is talking to... :s |
| 22:04:28 | preglow | buschel, the guy who did the patch i'm talking about |
| 22:05:01 | senab | ahhhh! haha, it just sounded funny |
| 22:06:03 | * | petur fetches a long stick and pokes linuxstb |
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| 22:17:08 | preglow | hmm, it does appear it can be ported to other ipods too, though |
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| 22:17:26 | Nico_P | preglow: and other ARM targets ? |
| 22:17:35 | preglow | no idea |
| 22:17:44 | preglow | it's c, so arm shouldn't matter |
| 22:18:16 | * | nls stops fiddeling with the midi plugin for tonight |
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| 22:19:38 | * | bluebrother wonders why the midiplay plugin has CamelCase function names ... is it imported code? |
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| 22:22:22 | nls | bluebrother: from reading a couple of comments in the code it seems to be some sort of mix of little peices from different midi players, but to get the dirty facts you should ask stevenm |
| 22:23:04 | bluebrother | he isn't frequently around here, is he? But I merely wanted to throw this point in ;-) |
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| 22:23:30 | preglow | not anymore, no |
| 22:23:30 | nls | bluebrother: he's been around a bit the last couple of days |
| 22:23:42 | bluebrother | hmm, we should write a style document for rbutil as the style differes from main rockbox due to it being cpp ... |
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| 22:24:07 | preglow | i'd say the style requirements are about the same, but with // and CamelCase |
| 22:24:17 | preglow | and typedefs not being a problem |
| 22:24:29 | bluebrother | yep, mostly. |
| 22:24:57 | bluebrother | but having it written down would be nice imo. |
| 22:25:04 | preglow | then go ahead :P |
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| 22:27:09 | maxkelley | whee.. ham radio club. |
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| 22:27:29 | maxkelley | members: a janitor and 4 kids, including me :) |
| 22:27:38 | preglow | hahah |
| 22:28:58 | maxkelley | and the room they meet in is not really a room, more like a closet, so small that we can't all fit :) |
| 22:29:34 | maxkelley | but I'm content. |
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| 22:32:09 | fm2 | I'd like to execute some shell commands after compiling of the files in apps dir. Where should I put them? I assume that should be apps/Makefile. But should I put them there (where exactly?) directly or rather write a script and call the script in Makefile? |
| 22:32:39 | maxkelley | oh, whoops. this was the wrong channel. |
| 22:32:47 | preglow | oh? :V |
| 22:32:47 | maxkelley | sorry for being offtopic. |
| 22:32:49 | Nico_P | fm2: I'd say write a script |
| 22:32:57 | maxkelley | I thought I was someplace else :) |
| 22:34:18 | fm2 | Nico_P: and where in the make file should I put the call to the script? It should work as follows. First, files are compiled as before. Then my script runs and produces one more file. Then the liker can kick in. So where should I put the call? |
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| 22:35:13 | bluebrother | fm2: create a new make target which you call. Then put the target that gets called now as prerequisite |
| 22:35:24 | Nico_P | fm2: oh actually I thought the script would call "make". but still, I think it's better to write a script and call it in the makefile. As to where from, I have no idea |
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| 22:37:40 | fm2 | bluebrother: and which target is called now? |
| 22:37:58 | bluebrother | I don't know. But if you call make without arguments the first target is called. |
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| 22:38:52 | bluebrother | seems the first target is all, and I bet this is the target that gets called. |
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| 22:40:48 | fm2 | bluebrother: yes, 'all' is the first target. So I rename it to all_old, and create a new target 'all' which will have "all: all_old" as its first line? |
| 22:41:07 | bluebrother | yes. |
| 22:41:23 | bluebrother | or leave it as it is and add a new target before that one. |
| 22:42:24 | webguest99 | It is very badly lost wma. Some songs does not reproduce and the hard disk starts to knock. At me ipod 80g |
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| 22:43:21 | fm2 | bluebrother: the second line would be the execution of the script, and then the compiler should be called again. How do I do that? |
| 22:43:38 | bluebrother | the compiler should be called again? |
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| 22:44:17 | bluebrother | after the target the actual commands follow. You need to indent them with a tab. Apart from that it's mostly bash |
| 22:45:14 | fm2 | bluebrother: ok, thanks, I'll try |
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| 22:46:38 | webguest99 | And not all wma are not lost |
| 22:48:56 | |Rain| | so, I fixed the bootloader for the e200 (and I made it do closer to the right thing if HAVE_USBSTACK is defined from your rockbox build) |
| 22:49:19 | |Rain| | what's the preferred way to submit patches? open a bug in flyswatter? |
| 22:49:33 | |Rain| | flyspray, that's it |
| 22:49:43 | alienbiker99 | sumbit the patch in the right catagorie |
| 22:49:48 | alienbiker99 | catagory* |
| 22:50:03 | webguest99 | Russian translation is frequently incorrect - does not distinguish id3 tag. Will sometime correct? |
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| 22:51:26 | alienbiker99 | webguest99 if somebody corrects it |
| 22:52:02 | Nico_P | webguest99: you can |
| 22:52:36 | Nico_P | webguest99: there's even a web interface for it: rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/">http://rasher.dk/rockbox/translate/ |
| 22:53:12 | webguest99 | I do not understand programming, and so with pleasure |
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| 22:55:01 | Bagder | rasher: your page shows funny error messages |
| 22:55:14 | bluebrother | webguest99: you don't need to know programming to translate. |
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| 22:55:50 | preglow | norsk.lang should be renamed norsk-bokmål.lang now, to be pedantic |
| 22:56:03 | preglow | i wonder if i should be bothered |
| 22:56:35 | webguest99 | There not in translation business, and display of Russian tegs in the form of hieroglyphs |
| 22:56:55 | Bagder | then you use a bad font I'd guess |
| 22:57:25 | Nico_P | Bagder: what do you call "funny error messages" ? |
| 22:57:39 | preglow | would i need to do anything else than rename the file in svn to avoid wrecking havoc? |
| 22:57:57 | Bagder | Nico_P: I got php error messsages at the top of the translate page |
| 22:58:02 | Nico_P | ah |
| 22:58:06 | preglow | me too |
| 22:58:25 | Bagder | or rather, one notice and one warning |
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| 22:59:20 | Dark_Apostrophe | I have plenty of duplicate tracks on my player.. is there a way to automatically remove them? |
| 22:59:31 | nls | preglow: tell all the users of the norsk.lng why their translation is outdated in a couple of months... it will remain on their players and in their cfg's |
| 22:59:46 | bluebrother | Dark_Apostrophe: in the database or physical files in the file view? |
| 22:59:48 | preglow | ok, so i should just not do anything about it? |
| 22:59:54 | Dark_Apostrophe | bluebrother: Both |
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| 23:00:09 | Dark_Apostrophe | bluebrother: Many duplicates in various directories |
| 23:00:12 | bluebrother | for the database you might want to check the recycle bin. |
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| 23:00:21 | nls | preglow: doesn't matter to me, if it feels better, just do it (tm) :-) |
| 23:00:29 | Dark_Apostrophe | bluebrother: Physical files |
| 23:00:30 | bluebrother | and for physical files on the disk, no. |
| 23:00:34 | Dark_Apostrophe | damn. |
| 23:00:53 | bluebrother | you could write a script that identifies the files based on hashes and removes duplicates. |
| 23:01:27 | bluebrother | or maybe there is some media management software around that allows you doing this. |
| 23:01:47 | |Rain| | I've dumped the patches into http://themuffin.net/rockbox/ in case anyone else wants to eyeball them... I'll submit them to the bug tracker tonight |
| 23:01:48 | preglow | nls: i just hate it when legacy issues prevents me from doing the right thing :P |
| 23:01:52 | bluebrother | but Rockbox does not have anything to do this. |
| 23:02:28 | preglow | nls: luckily, norsk-bokmål.lng will be displayed right next to norsk.lng, so they'll notice something is different. i'll think on it |
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| 23:07:22 | Nico_P | rasher's web translating tool is very nice :) |
| 23:07:38 | * | Nico_P just produced a patch updating francais.lang |
| 23:07:58 | Nico_P | the only thing is it added a bunch of "user:" lines |
| 23:08:07 | preglow | and they're what? |
| 23:08:16 | Nico_P | no idea |
| 23:08:30 | bluebrother | IIRC those user lines aren't used yet. |
| 23:08:39 | jepler | how do I switch between "scan" and "preset" modes in fm playback (recent svn version, e200-series)? |
| 23:08:46 | Nico_P | I'd like to commit the update... should I leave these lines ? |
| 23:09:05 | preglow | Nico_P: well, were i you i'd at least find out what the hell they are, heh |
| 23:09:07 | preglow | but do as you wish |
| 23:09:13 | preglow | you can always blame rasher :P |
| 23:09:37 | Nico_P | Bagder: can you tell me what to do ? |
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| 23:10:44 | jepler | aha −− by pressing "record" (!?) |
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| 23:12:28 | rasher | Bagder, preglow: What kind of php error? I don't see it.. |
| 23:12:53 | rasher | preglow: norsk-bokmål would be the first non-ascii language name. Not sure it matters, but I guess it's something to think about. |
| 23:13:04 | rasher | (almost all fonts support latin-1 anyway) |
| 23:13:13 | preglow | all good anyway, if we don't support that properly, we're not trying hard enough at being unicode, heh |
| 23:13:34 | rasher | Nico_P: the user: lines are harmless. It's a langv2 feature not yet used |
| 23:13:45 | preglow | rasher: used for what? |
| 23:13:52 | alienbiker99 | rasher http://pastebin.com/m56098d2b |
| 23:13:55 | Nico_P | rasher: should I keep them in the commit though ? |
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| 23:13:59 | alienbiker99 | thats the error i got on your page |
| 23:14:00 | rasher | It's to do with supporting translation of plugins |
| 23:14:06 | preglow | rightie |
| 23:14:08 | rasher | Nico_P: doesn't really matter either way |
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| 23:14:21 | rasher | alienbiker99: oh gosh |
| 23:14:31 | rasher | alienbiker99: thanks. |
| 23:14:34 | rasher | And I'm off.. |
| 23:14:37 | alienbiker99 | no problem |
| 23:14:40 | Nico_P | then I'll leave them... simpler that way :) |
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| 23:39:34 | Bam2550 | I'm back! |
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| 23:43:54 | TMM | Bam2550: let us all rejoice! |
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| 23:45:03 | Bam2550 | lol, Where you being sarcastic? |
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| 23:47:40 | Bam2550 | my dog ate my readme.txt |
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| 23:47:50 | TMM | Bam2550: nooooo, I'd NEVER |
| 23:48:09 | Bam2550 | Youd never eat my readme.txt? thanks |
| 23:48:59 | TMM | no, I'm full already, but thank you |
| 23:49:31 | TMM | next time I see your readme, I will most certainly have a bite |
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| 23:54:46 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does anyone know if album art will be implemented and included in the precompiled binaries (rather than users having to patch it themselves) any time soon? |
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| 23:58:56 | nls | Dark_Apostrophe: if soon is some arbitrary point in time not before now, yse :-) |
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