| 00:00:02 | nico__ | ah ok |
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| 00:01:21 | nico__ | the point is that, as i wrote earlier, i can't figure of a way to play all an artist's albums one after the other without getting the tracks/albums mixed up... so i figured that maybe i had to do something with playlists in order to achieve that (right?) |
| 00:02:08 | Zagor | nico__: if you browse files, the tracks are sorted in filename order. not track number (tag) order. |
| 00:02:26 | Zagor | could that be the reason? |
| 00:02:36 | n1s | nico__: I have never used the database but if you do it from the filebrowser, just turn on "recursively insert directories" and insert the artist dir |
| 00:02:52 | nico__ | Zagor, well i'm using the "database" menu not the "files"... is that what you mean by "browsing files"? |
| 00:03:01 | Zagor | yes |
| 00:03:25 | Zagor | ok the database should be sorted by tags |
| 00:03:48 | nico__ | well i intended to use the Files menu at the beginning but it seems like the music doesn't appear in there |
| 00:04:04 | nico__ | there's only "e200 photos" and "thumbnail" |
| 00:04:22 | nico__ | so i figured out i had to use the database |
| 00:04:27 | Zagor | some default directories on sansas have the hidden bit set, and then rockbox doesn't show them by default. |
| 00:05:04 | Zagor | you can either remove the hidden bit, or you can change settings->general->file view->show files to "all" |
| 00:05:43 | nico__ | thanks |
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| 00:06:19 | linuxstb | Zagor: Would it be hard to set/clear the hidden attribute from within Rockbox? It's a pain to do it in Linux with mtools... |
| 00:06:45 | n1s | would be perfect in the properties plugin |
| 00:07:27 | nico__ | Zagor, well then i'd have to create a playlist? because if i just start playing the artist's 1st album i get the same problem: it never gets to play the 2nd |
| 00:07:46 | nico__ | Zagor, and there's no "play all tracks" in the file browser |
| 00:07:54 | nico__ | (logically) |
| 00:08:14 | linuxstb | nico__: You can enable the "recursively insert directories" and insert a folder (and all sub-folders) into the playlist. |
| 00:08:35 | nico__ | ok thx |
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| 00:08:46 | Zagor | linuxstb: no, it's very simply |
| 00:08:49 | Zagor | simple |
| 00:09:44 | Zagor | to add it to rockbox, I mean |
| 00:10:19 | donsdw | `/clear |
| 00:11:37 | n1s | hmm, why don't we enable recursively insert dirs by default, it always annoys me when my settings are reset for whatever reason and we often have to guide people to turn it on and IMHO it is the expected behaviour |
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| 00:12:02 | kkurbjun | does anyone know what the COMMON sections are when looking at a build map? |
| 00:14:13 | kkurbjun | you can see them in the gigabeat build map (rockbox.map) after the .bss section |
| 00:14:34 | linuxstb | n1s: I would agree with that - I can't think of a reason why I wouldn't want to insert recursively |
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| 00:16:18 | Nico_P | dionoea: I don't think the flashing can be removed without being replaced |
| 00:16:25 | linuxstb | Has anyone looked at the sim warnings for gcc 4.2.1? Is it a gcc bug? |
| 00:16:28 | Ebert | is there a status page for the olympus m100? |
| 00:16:37 | preglow | linuxstb: pretty much looks like it to me |
| 00:17:10 | n1s | linuxstb: I think so too, they aren't popping up when building with recent 4.3 snapshots |
| 00:17:24 | dionoea | Nico_P: why ? |
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| 00:17:50 | Nico_P | because the flashing indicates the nex position of the track and it's the only sign |
| 00:18:58 | pixelma | I wondered about that too (and I use it from time to time) |
| 00:19:10 | dionoea | well the cursor already is on that next position |
| 00:19:25 | dionoea | why would it need to be flashing too ? |
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| 00:21:39 | Nico_P | when I move a track, I have a cursor indicating the start position, but the only thing telling me where I'm putting the track is the flashing cursor |
| 00:21:46 | pixelma | I don't know, I would have to try out but for the moment I couldn't imagine how I'm supposed to see at which position the moved track ends up (though the flashing looks a bit broken since the complete line flashes including scrollbar) - but have to take a look |
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| 00:23:00 | dionoea | Nico_P: well with my patch applied you'd also have a cursor. It just wouldn't be flashing. |
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| 00:24:00 | Nico_P | dionoea: ah ok, I thought you just removed the flashing |
| 00:24:07 | dionoea | i did |
| 00:24:23 | dionoea | removing the flashing doesn't remove the cursor. It only removes the flashing |
| 00:24:41 | dionoea | Well, commenting the 2 lines in playlist_viewer.c and seeing what it changes might explain it better than me :) |
| 00:24:50 | dionoea | anyway, time to go sleep. |
| 00:24:52 | dionoea | Good night. |
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| 00:49:25 | fairway | hi |
| 00:49:32 | fairway | is rockbox for ipod nano video out? |
| 00:50:02 | alienbiker99 | read the homepage |
| 00:51:13 | fairway | ipod nano video apple software is perfect |
| 00:51:14 | petur | rtfh ;) |
| 00:51:47 | petur | what the hell is a nano video anyway? |
| 00:51:56 | Bagder | 3rd gen I guess |
| 00:52:13 | fairway | yes |
| 00:52:19 | fairway | I own a ipod nano 3rd gen |
| 00:53:46 | fairway | don't you love me? |
| 00:53:57 | markun | I love you |
| 00:54:05 | fairway | huhu |
| 00:54:08 | petur | why support apple anyway? |
| 00:54:36 | fairway | because they have the best mpeg4 players? |
| 00:54:47 | Bagder | they do? |
| 00:54:59 | fairway | didn't you know? |
| 00:55:03 | Bagder | nope |
| 00:55:22 | fairway | weird! |
| 00:55:27 | markun | fairway: and you think rockbox could make them even better? |
| 00:56:32 | fairway | markun: yes but it would have a hard time because the apple firmware improved a lot |
| 00:57:16 | n1s | fairway: but does it play doom? |
| 00:57:24 | petur | rofl |
| 00:57:43 | fairway | n1s: no because doom is ghay |
| 00:58:09 | fairway | why would I want t do that |
| 00:58:35 | petur | why do you want to look at video on a small screen? |
| 00:58:55 | Llorean | fairway: Hate to tell yah, but A) "Best" is subjective, and B) "What the Apple firmware does" is completely irrelevant in here |
| 00:59:14 | Llorean | petur: The new Nano is 320x240, same resolution as our gigabeats, just very packed pixels. |
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| 01:04:30 | erchino | hi |
| 01:04:43 | erchino | whats new in rockbox |
| 01:04:52 | erchino | i've been a longtime... |
| 01:05:14 | petur | erchino: see majorchanges wiki page |
| 01:05:23 | Nico_P | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
| 01:05:28 | erchino | thx |
| 01:05:53 | Nico_P | Bagder: maybe we should have a link to it on the front page, what do you think ? |
| 01:06:00 | erchino | how do i install the updates |
| 01:06:02 | erchino | I forgot... |
| 01:06:04 | erchino | hehe |
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| 01:07:06 | petur | erchino: just unzip over the previous, but depending on your player and how old your install is you might need a new bootloader too |
| 01:07:53 | erchino | damn... |
| 01:08:03 | erchino | I totally fotgot how to do it... |
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| 01:12:09 | Nico_P | how to unzip ? |
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| 01:26:33 | * | amiconn is back home :) |
| 01:26:41 | petur | welcome back |
| 01:26:58 | scorche | heh...i just got back too |
| 01:28:13 | eigma | Ebert: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/OlympusMR500Info |
| 01:38:02 | amiconn | pixelma: ping... |
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| 02:11:58 | Soap | <DefineByte> anyone think a glossary would be a good idea for the manual? (directory, root etc.) |
| 02:13:05 | krazykit | it would certainly not be a bad idea |
| 02:13:42 | * | Soap thinks that the glossary should contain nothing but links to Computer terminology 101, Windows 101, and even MacOS/X 101. There comes a point where Rockbox _must_ assume some base level of computer knowledge. I'm not going to make the slippery-slope argument, but at what point does Rockbox stop trying to teach people things which are not directly related to Rockbox? We already take a hard-line approach in the forums. |
| 02:14:34 | krazykit | well, a link to computer 101 would be good, but it might be useful to define such terms as bootloader, OF, and other more technical bits they may see throughout the manual |
| 02:14:51 | Soap | Another side of the argument I could take is to say "A hard line must be taken in the forums and on IRC because the usefullness of such places approaches zero as the noise level rises, whereas the same can not be said for a well organized manual." |
| 02:16:09 | Soap | Yet another side of the argument is to say "By enabling lazy users we are doing nothing but making the support load heavier in the future. A user who can't be bothered to learn a base level of computer terminology w/o having his hand held is not, and will never be, a valued member of the community." |
| 02:16:50 | Soap | It is a sick game to get into, enabling. I'm not saying we are doing that - but it is something you need be always aware of. |
| 02:17:42 | Soap | I'm torn on why Rockbox receives so many outragious support queries as is. Is it because: |
| 02:18:07 | Soap | A - Soap is an old man and has already forgot youthful ways? |
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| 02:18:28 | Soap | B - Rockbox makes iPods look cool - and that attracts the most flighty of customers? |
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| 02:18:50 | krazykit | B is certainly part of it |
| 02:19:07 | Soap | C - Rockbox provides so much documentation that it has created a culture of expectation which is spinning out of control? |
| 02:19:49 | krazykit | the users you're complaining about probably only read the install part of the documentation and ignore everything else |
| 02:20:39 | Soap | or is it simply D - Rockbox attracts no more loonie of "customer" than any other open-source project, but Soap sees all the Rockbox loonies, while the Gnome loonies are a world unknown to him? |
| 02:21:33 | krazykit | well, you've obviously never spent any time in #ubuntu :P, but that's a digression |
| 02:22:13 | krazykit | the fact that so much support is available may give the user a reason (in their mind) to simply ask and expect an answer, instead of spending 10 minutes searching the wiki or manual. |
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| 02:24:11 | Soap | That is what I am calling enabling. Through excessive hand-holding never teaching a user to be self-sufficient. |
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| 02:24:51 | Soap | Forget teaching, never /allowing/ a user to be self-sufficient. |
| 02:24:57 | krazykit | then you need to find the fine line between providing information that may be helpful and enabling it |
| 02:24:57 | Soap | self-reliant. |
| 02:25:25 | Soap | krazykit: that was the whole point of my 10 minute, 20 line spiel ;) |
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| 02:26:09 | krazykit | soap, you just want the easy answer of "where does one draw the line" |
| 02:26:29 | krazykit | "easy" meaning "who the hell knows", if we look at examples of other support forums. |
| 02:27:22 | Soap | No, I don't expect anybody to have the line clearly drawn in their mind, much less reach a group agreement on it - but what I _do_ want is for DefineByte to consider those questions when deciding what to put in the manual. |
| 02:27:59 | krazykit | maybe there just needs to be a line "prerequisite: a basic knowledge of computer-fu" |
| 02:28:20 | Llorean | I think if a glossary is added to the manual, it should only contain words / abbreviations *we* have made up |
| 02:28:47 | Llorean | Or at least, are specifically relative (DAP) |
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| 03:58:04 | psycho_maniac | i just want to make sure i do this right. i have to repatch a build. so i svn up, then do the revert command , then run cd ipod5g then do "makeclean", then i go back to rockbox folder and run patch command. , then i go back in ipod5g folder and run make command? |
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| 04:00:06 | scorche | it is "make clean" and you dont ahve to do it before pathcing |
| 04:02:50 | psycho_maniac | yeah figured that out when makeclean didnt work lol. but its alright do do the make clean before patching right? i think i just did the patching ran make clean then just ran make. i have been gone for 2 weeks and just started compiling my own build |
| 04:04:43 | psycho_maniac | scorche: Thank you |
| 04:05:01 | scorche | i usually just run "make clean && ../tools/configure && make && make zip" |
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| 04:05:55 | psycho_maniac | that whole command will work? |
| 04:06:04 | scorche | that is a series of cammands |
| 04:06:08 | scorche | commands.. |
| 04:06:16 | psycho_maniac | yes commands. |
| 04:06:18 | Jmax_ | provided they all return 0 |
| 04:06:31 | Jmax_ | csh has such backwards logic |
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| 04:08:10 | psycho_maniac | but that will work and all i have to do is wait for the zip to be created then? |
| 04:08:56 | scorche | ...you cna just try it and find out... |
| 04:09:06 | * | scorche kicks his keyboard |
| 04:09:43 | iamben | you could also add "&& unzip rockbox.zip -d /path/to/mounted/player && umount /path/to/mounted player" and itll be ready to rock and roll w/ no further work! |
| 04:09:55 | iamben | again, assuming nothing errors |
| 04:10:02 | psycho_maniac | ok thats unbelieveable |
| 04:10:17 | scorche | psycho_maniac: it is just basic shell usage... |
| 04:10:38 | scorche | find a decent linux terminal tutorial or something |
| 04:10:52 | Soap | the beauty is that you can alias those long strings of commands and only have to do it once. |
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| 04:12:36 | psycho_maniac | yeah i do that with a windows program |
| 04:17:29 | psycho_maniac | for some reason in order to access the net from vmware player i have to reset in nat then to access the folder i have to reset in host mode. weird. |
| 04:18:32 | animeloe | lol |
| 04:18:43 | animeloe | ah the love of linux :) |
| 04:19:13 | psycho_maniac | at least i figured out how to do it fast and only takes like 1 min for it to load. |
| 04:19:20 | animeloe | :) |
| 04:19:25 | animeloe | what vmware you using? |
| 04:19:54 | psycho_maniac | player |
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| 04:20:09 | psycho_maniac | or did you mean version? |
| 04:20:09 | animeloe | version number? |
| 04:20:12 | animeloe | you using the most recent |
| 04:20:18 | animeloe | version, not tpe |
| 04:20:18 | psycho_maniac | no |
| 04:20:20 | animeloe | type |
| 04:20:28 | animeloe | I saw you were using "player" |
| 04:20:29 | animeloe | get it |
| 04:20:33 | animeloe | it solves many problems |
| 04:20:39 | animeloe | and adds new features |
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| 04:21:16 | animeloe | probibly will fix your net access |
| 04:21:27 | psycho_maniac | im using vmware player version 2.0.0 build 45731 |
| 04:21:30 | animeloe | what OS are you using |
| 04:21:36 | * | animeloe uses fusion |
| 04:21:40 | psycho_maniac | windows xp pro |
| 04:21:43 | animeloe | oh |
| 04:21:48 | * | animeloe walks away sighing :P |
| 04:22:00 | animeloe | that explains your netowking problems :) |
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| 04:23:33 | animeloe | I've seen xp-pro network just die because it has a bad day |
| 04:23:53 | animeloe | psycho_maniac: did you first check it really WAS the vm session dying and not the host? |
| 04:24:08 | psycho_maniac | i do not understand that question |
| 04:24:19 | animeloe | okay :) |
| 04:24:22 | animeloe | in msg |
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| 04:25:52 | animeloe | quick question..why is it that rockbox occationally freezes or spits out "data error" |
| 04:26:43 | scorche | there isnt a general answer for that beyond "a bug" |
| 04:26:58 | Llorean | animeloe: And I'm hoping you mean "Data Abort"? |
| 04:27:05 | animeloe | this is on the ipod video (5.5g) |
| 04:27:11 | animeloe | yes "Data Abort" |
| 04:27:22 | animeloe | if it's error then the hd needs to be checked out :) |
| 04:27:42 | Llorean | It's pretty important to be as accurate as possible, but with data aborts there's no way to say why it happened without looking at where it happened |
| 04:27:52 | Llorean | Which is what the .map files made with builds, and the memory address, are for |
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| 04:30:54 | koko | is it just me or are the 'current release' downloads not working? |
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| 04:31:44 | psycho_maniac | wow new updates in the acceleration patch are awesome. |
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| 04:38:59 | animeloe | Llorean: I know it needs to be accurate, but I can't exactly BE accurate about something so random as the freezes and data aborts |
| 04:40:22 | scorche | animeloe: why not? |
| 04:40:49 | animeloe | because in my case the freezes happen every so often |
| 04:41:00 | animeloe | I've yet to reproduce the freezes/errors |
| 04:41:19 | Llorean | animeloe: And so the sparseness of occurrences prevents you from calling it the proper name, or writing down the address when it happens with a current build? |
| 04:42:02 | animeloe | there is no addy for the freezes |
| 04:42:03 | Llorean | My point was on accuracy, which relates to _how_ you provide information moreso than what you provide. |
| 04:42:17 | animeloe | and unfortunately I haen't written down the data abort addys |
| 04:42:20 | animeloe | I should though |
| 04:42:21 | animeloe | :) |
| 04:42:34 | Llorean | Please, use whole words. We have blind and foreign users, and "addy" isn't in many dictionaries. |
| 04:42:41 | animeloe | lol |
| 04:42:44 | Llorean | I'm serious. |
| 04:42:48 | scorche | what is funny about that? |
| 04:43:03 | Llorean | We have channel guidelines for a reason, they may not be necessary for you, but we like to keep this channel usable for a wide audience. |
| 04:43:07 | animeloe | because I usually see shorthand on irc where I do stuff |
| 04:43:26 | animeloe | I understand |
| 04:43:45 | animeloe | anyways |
| 04:48:31 | psycho_maniac | scorche. those commands did work but why do i have to do the "../tools/configure" when i already have a make file? |
| 04:48:46 | Llorean | psycho_maniac: Less likelihood of strange errors |
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| 04:52:43 | psycho_maniac | anybody want to direct me to where i could learn what scorche was talking about with me and aliases with commands? |
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| 04:57:43 | scorche | psycho_maniac: i am sure google would love to |
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| 05:03:13 | alienbiker99 | hmm the site down? |
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| 05:03:27 | alienbiker99 | ignore that |
| 05:05:10 | Mouser_X | Does anyone in here use the NES emulator patch? FS #2911 |
| 05:05:21 | Llorean | I've just tried it. |
| 05:05:26 | Mouser_X | If yes, what's it called? |
| 05:05:43 | Mouser_X | (I can't seem to find it in my custom compile.) |
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| 05:06:42 | termin8or123 | hey\ |
| 05:07:34 | Mouser_X | Ah, nevermind... It appears that it didn't work for you... |
| 05:07:37 | Mouser_X | :( |
| 05:08:02 | termin8or123 | hey, I need help installing rockbox |
| 05:08:53 | termin8or123 | can anyone help? |
| 05:08:59 | Llorean | Mouser_X: It's a viewer like Rockboy |
| 05:09:07 | Llorean | termin8or123: What step are you stuck at in the manual? |
| 05:09:22 | Mouser_X | Dang. I just finished compiling Rockbox (took more than 1.5 hours. My laptop is slow and unstable), but I haven't put the new compile on my Gigabeat yet. |
| 05:09:33 | termin8or123 | ok well I drug the rockbox folder into my ipod |
| 05:09:45 | termin8or123 | meaning i just dragged the folder in my ipod located in My Computer |
| 05:10:07 | scorche | termin8or123: i still dont see a question in there |
| 05:10:13 | termin8or123 | ok well ill keep going |
| 05:10:15 | Llorean | termin8or123: Have you read the manual, there are many other steps. |
| 05:10:19 | termin8or123 | I knowq |
| 05:10:25 | termin8or123 | then i did the boot installed |
| 05:10:27 | termin8or123 | the black window |
| 05:10:31 | termin8or123 | and typed in i |
| 05:10:34 | termin8or123 | and hit enter |
| 05:10:39 | termin8or123 | waited, and it said it installed |
| 05:10:47 | termin8or123 | then i hit enter again to exit, safely ejected my iPod |
| 05:10:55 | termin8or123 | but when i hold select and menu |
| 05:11:05 | termin8or123 | it goes to this black screen saying error |
| 05:11:09 | termin8or123 | unable to load rockbox |
| 05:11:18 | scorche | please use paragraphs instead of using the enter key as commas and periods... |
| 05:11:23 | termin8or123 | haha sorry |
| 05:12:01 | scorche | what does the "black screen saying error" say? |
| 05:12:05 | Llorean | termin8or123: Well, the first step would be to figure out what you're doing wrong. Since the manual doens't mention a "Rockbox" folder, and you do mention one, that might be the first clue. |
| 05:12:25 | Llorean | termin8or123: Have you tried simply doing things *exactly* as they're written in the manual instead? |
| 05:12:44 | Mouser_X | Ah blast... It appears I didn't have the patch included (I *know* I put it in, but maybe I updated/re-checked out and forgot to put it in again?) |
| 05:12:48 | termin8or123 | well i was following this tutorial on youtube |
| 05:13:24 | Llorean | termin8or123: Then if you're going to follow other peoples' instructions, contact *them* if they don't work. |
| 05:13:31 | termin8or123 | and that "rockbox" folder is the file in the build page for my iPod |
| 05:13:36 | termin8or123 | ok I did |
| 05:13:58 | Llorean | termin8or123: We certainly aren't them. Why don't you go and do it how the manual says, and then once you've done it as it's written, come back and ask for help if it's still not working? |
| 05:14:24 | termin8or123 | ok, thank you |
| 05:15:07 | termin8or123 | I have one last question though, if you don't mind? |
| 05:15:20 | Llorean | termin8or123: We don't mind questions, as long as they actually comply with the guidelines. |
| 05:15:48 | termin8or123 | ok |
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| 05:16:20 | termin8or123 | are you allowed to install another app. for the iPod, while you're installing rockbox? |
| 05:16:41 | scorche | Rockbox is not an application |
| 05:16:56 | termin8or123 | errr |
| 05:17:29 | termin8or123 | hm |
| 05:17:31 | scorche | and i am not sure what you mean by "allowed"...allowed by whom? |
| 05:17:55 | termin8or123 | "allowed" meaning, can the iPod handle all that at once |
| 05:18:01 | termin8or123 | (im sounding dumb now...)] |
| 05:18:11 | scorche | handle all of what? |
| 05:18:33 | termin8or123 | let me restate it, sorry. can I install rockbox, and ipod all in one going? |
| 05:18:40 | termin8or123 | iBoy******** |
| 05:19:01 | Llorean | iBoy is an iPod Linux app. |
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| 05:19:09 | scorche | iboy cannot run on the ipod by itself...are you referring to ipodlinux? |
| 05:20:01 | termin8or123 | I'm not sure, beacuse the tutorial told me to install iBoy (it can play gameboy games) too |
| 05:20:18 | termin8or123 | would you like a link to the tutorial? |
| 05:20:21 | Llorean | Again, ask the tutorial person then. iBoy isn't our software. |
| 05:20:22 | Mouser_X | Rockbox has Rockboy already. |
| 05:20:37 | Mouser_X | (Rockboy playes GB/C games.) |
| 05:20:42 | termin8or123 | o it does?? |
| 05:20:48 | termin8or123 | i thought I had to install both of them |
| 05:20:51 | Llorean | termin8or123: Please, just read the manual. It mentions Rockboy. |
| 05:20:57 | termin8or123 | thanks |
| 05:21:57 | Mouser_X | termin8or123: If you search the Wiki, I think there's a comparison betweein Rockboy, and iBoy. |
| 05:22:24 | Mouser_X | (Well, it mentions iBoy at least. I don't remember if it's comparisons.) |
| 05:22:54 | termin8or123 | is the automated installation better than manual? |
| 05:23:24 | Llorean | They both should work, it's just whichever process sounds better to you. |
| 05:24:23 | Mouser_X | termin8or123: I was off. What I was refering to actually links to ipodlinux's Wiki page about iBoy. |
| 05:24:30 | termin8or123 | ok |
| 05:24:50 | termin8or123 | when i download the automated utility, i just double click the icon that says "rbutilqt" |
| 05:24:54 | termin8or123 | ? |
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| 05:26:11 | termin8or123 | *scratch that* ima do the manual installation |
| 05:27:30 | termin8or123 | one more question. Which build of the iPod should I use? the current... or the latest one for manual installation? |
| 05:28:01 | Ebert | its interesting that Line Out on a Gigabeat doesnt have the "crossfade" feature |
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| 05:28:25 | Ebert | use one of the more current ones |
| 05:28:48 | Llorean | termin8or123: "Current" is the latest one... |
| 05:29:12 | RCM123 | I know the code for a low level format on a Samsung T9 |
| 05:29:42 | Llorean | Ebert: Are you sure it doesn't? It seems like a feature that would be done entirely in software, since the overlap is in the PCM buffer before being sent to the DAC. |
| 05:29:59 | Ebert | llorean, listening now, it doesn't :D |
| 05:30:14 | Llorean | Ebert: But are you listening with headphones too, to see if it's working at all the way you have the settings? |
| 05:30:21 | Ebert | although if i plug my amp into the headphone jack, its on |
| 05:30:27 | termin8or123 | nope, Ebert there is a current one, and a later version |
| 05:30:35 | termin8or123 | http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml |
| 05:30:51 | Llorean | termin8or123: That's the DAILY. ONCE PER DAY. As in "Older than current". It's the latest version of all the archived daily versions. |
| 05:31:07 | termin8or123 | oooo |
| 05:31:09 | termin8or123 | ok sorry |
| 05:31:11 | Nimdae | are daily builds still being made? |
| 05:31:19 | Llorean | Nimdae: Yes, for archival purposes primarily |
| 05:31:25 | Nimdae | ah ok |
| 05:31:29 | RCM123 | The code for a low level format on a Samsung T9 is |
| 05:31:31 | RCM123 | left+left, right+right, up, center, down |
| 05:31:39 | Llorean | RCM123: What on Earth does this have to do with Rockbox? |
| 05:32:01 | RCM123 | It may help with replacing the firmware with a custom one |
| 05:32:47 | termin8or123 | ok, i'm going to try to install now. wish me luck |
| 05:32:49 | termin8or123 | lol |
| 05:33:07 | RCM123 | lol Rockbox isn't even ready for a T9 yet |
| 05:34:04 | Ebert | rcm123 you should collaborate with yourself more and make a website w/ specs and plans |
| 05:34:05 | Llorean | RCM123: Then post it in the port page in the wiki, where information is gathered. |
| 05:34:15 | RCM123 | OK |
| 05:35:49 | termin8or123 | omg, it's still not working |
| 05:35:57 | termin8or123 | I followed everything it said |
| 05:36:12 | termin8or123 | Error! Can't load rockbox.ipod |
| 05:36:18 | termin8or123 | File not found |
| 05:36:23 | Llorean | termin8or123: Then you did not properly extract rockbox.zip to your player. |
| 05:36:31 | termin8or123 | i extracted it |
| 05:36:37 | Llorean | I said you did not PROPERLY extract it. |
| 05:36:38 | termin8or123 | then dragged it into my iPod |
| 05:36:41 | termin8or123 | ok |
| 05:36:45 | Llorean | You should extract it directly to the player. |
| 05:36:51 | termin8or123 | oo ok |
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| 05:36:56 | Llorean | So that you have a .rockbox folder in F:\ (or whatever drive letter the player is) |
| 05:36:57 | Nimdae | you should have a .rockbox on the root of the drive |
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| 05:37:04 | termin8or123 | what? |
| 05:37:12 | Nimdae | a folder named .rockbox |
| 05:38:02 | Nimdae | has there been much progress on the usb stuff on the ipod? |
| 05:38:03 | termin8or123 | in my iPod right? |
| 05:38:17 | Nimdae | termin8or123: yeah, on the root of the drive of the ipod |
| 05:38:36 | Nimdae | like if the ipod was drive F:\, it would be F:\.rockbox\ |
| 05:38:50 | termin8or123 | can it F:\rockbox |
| 05:38:53 | Llorean | No. |
| 05:38:54 | termin8or123 | ? |
| 05:38:57 | Nimdae | no |
| 05:39:01 | Nimdae | the . is important |
| 05:39:02 | termin8or123 | it has to be .? |
| 05:39:03 | Llorean | It needs to be .rockbox, not rockbox. You cannot rename it. |
| 05:39:10 | termin8or123 | ok |
| 05:41:19 | termin8or123 | but when i extract it into my iPod |
| 05:41:23 | termin8or123 | its still rockbox |
| 05:41:25 | termin8or123 | not .rockbox |
| 05:41:34 | Ebert | put a dot |
| 05:41:39 | termin8or123 | ok |
| 05:42:23 | termin8or123 | i should've just read the manual |
| 05:42:37 | krazykit | seeing as that's in the guidelines, yes. |
| 05:42:42 | Mouser_X | It is there for a reason... |
| 05:42:46 | Nimdae | actually, it sounds like when it extracted, it created a directory of the name of the zip, do you have a directory inside of that called .rockbox? |
| 05:43:10 | termin8or123 | umm |
| 05:43:19 | termin8or123 | yes |
| 05:43:23 | Ebert | which ipod are u using |
| 05:43:46 | Nimdae | ok, don't rename the rockbox to .rockbox |
| 05:44:03 | Nimdae | take the .rockbox inside that and move it to where rockbox is, then delete the rockbox dir so you only have the .rockbox |
| 05:44:11 | termin8or123 | ok |
| 05:48:22 | Nimdae | wow, for some reason windows decided to run a chkdisk on my ipod...unless rockbox makes bootex log files too |
| 05:50:01 | chrisjs169|here | I'm trying to fix the mpegplayer seek/resume patch - any idea what'd cause if (*mem_ptr + size > bufsize) to be true? |
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| 05:54:53 | jhMikeS | chrisjs169|here: really hard to say with a patched version |
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| 05:55:47 | eigma | jhMikeS: got a sec to talk about init_threads() in thread.c? |
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| 05:57:12 | jhMikeS | eigma: sure |
| 05:57:43 | jhMikeS | did you find something wrong? |
| 05:57:46 | eigma | sort of |
| 05:57:53 | * | eigma is typing explanatory message |
| 05:59:30 | eigma | jhMikeS: the m:robe port had a bug where bss variables weren't getting zero'ed. as a result, find_empty_thread_slot() was returning -1 in init_threads (line 1040). this caused major corruption of threading structures and eventually caused a stack overflow much later, in the scheduler |
| 05:59:51 | eigma | I was thinking about adding a if (slot < 0) panicf() |
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| 06:00:16 | eigma | it would help debug problems like this; on the flip side, increases code and data (the message string) size |
| 06:00:29 | eigma | and, one could argue that, if bss isn't being initialized, all bets are off |
| 06:00:52 | jhMikeS | eimga: that's fine actually but should really only be needed for debugging purposes since a thread slot should be guaranteed |
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| 06:01:37 | eigma | what about wrapping the if() in an #ifdef DEBUG.. the only problem is I don't normally build with that, and I don't know that many people do |
| 06:02:36 | jhMikeS | Threre is THREAD_EXTRA_CHECKS. you can use THREAD_PANICF(msg, thread) and #define that to be 1 so no DEBUG needed. Otherwise is space for a string that should never be required. |
| 06:04:09 | eigma | THREAD_PANICF is no good because it assumed a valid struct thread_entry exists.. I'll just wrap a panicf in THREAD_EXTRA_CHECKS. thanks |
| 06:04:58 | jhMikeS | ah, yes thats true it does. :) |
| 06:05:55 | eigma | fyi, the root cause was that we weren't assigning variables in "COMMON" to ".bss".. according to kkurbjun, this was also the cause of some Gigabeat instability problems |
| 06:06:01 | Mouser_X | Well blast... The infones patch compiled, but with lots of errors... |
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| 06:06:32 | kkurbjun | eigma, I don't know if it was the cause |
| 06:06:39 | kkurbjun | (just got back) |
| 06:06:42 | eigma | ah ok |
| 06:06:55 | kkurbjun | I havn't tested it yet so we'll see |
| 06:06:58 | eigma | ok |
| 06:07:01 | eigma | do you have a gigabeat? |
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| 06:07:35 | * | eigma wishes Rockbox had some sort of fuzzing test suite that puts random data in RAM / inserts random delays in hardware accesses / that sort of thing. |
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| 06:07:48 | kkurbjun | yeah, but not the one that was showing the problems - its in storages with my jtag cable |
| 06:07:54 | eigma | ah ok |
| 06:09:04 | eigma | jhMikeS, kkurbjun: review this patch please? http://www.pastebin.ca/721304 |
| 06:09:09 | jhMikeS | eigma: yes, I remember when that one came up and playback initialization was failing |
| 06:11:58 | kkurbjun | patch looks good to me |
| 06:12:14 | jhMikeS | yup |
| 06:12:30 | eigma | committing.. |
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| 06:14:21 | jhMikeS | now it occurs to me about the green deltas with the thread changes...I turned the extra checks off. |
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| 06:16:26 | jhMikeS | eigma: can DM320 sleep the processor with IRQ/FIQ disabled in cpsr and still wake? Both PP and Coldfire allow this but s3c2440 and SH do not. |
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| 06:16:40 | jhMikeS | CF of course has no FIQ but... |
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| 06:17:49 | orange | anybody running rockbox on one of the sansa e270's from woot? I have run rockbox on two other devices in the past, but rbutilqt-v1.0.1 just says 'no sansa found' when I try to do a complete installation |
| 06:17:52 | eigma | jhMikeS: I don't know; why? |
| 06:17:54 | syn4pse | i'm having trouble with the menu_api. basically I want to give the user a chance to alter 4 booleans |
| 06:18:40 | orange | I did choose msc mode, and the sansa is mounted at drive F (win32) |
| 06:18:55 | orange | chose 'Sandisk Sansa E200 at F:\' |
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| 06:47:12 | JdGordon | hey all |
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| 06:49:17 | JdGordon | eigma: kkurbjun, apart from the leave_connected param.. does the spi target stuff look ok? |
| 06:49:36 | eigma | *taking another look* |
| 06:50:25 | eigma | oh, I had an idea |
| 06:50:28 | JdGordon | also, does that spi transfer function need locking? |
| 06:50:38 | eigma | instead of passing around "enum SPI_target target" |
| 06:50:50 | eigma | just pass around pointers to "struct SPI_info"'s |
| 06:51:10 | eigma | either let each client define their own, or make extern them from spi-target.h |
| 06:51:23 | JdGordon | well then everything will need to know about that struct.. |
| 06:51:26 | eigma | that way, we don't worry about array bounds checking or anything like that |
| 06:51:34 | eigma | nope, only about pointers to that struct, which can be forward-defined |
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| 06:51:46 | JdGordon | ok |
| 06:51:51 | eigma | aaaanyway |
| 06:51:53 | eigma | not a *big* deal |
| 06:52:19 | eigma | I'm just nit-picking. it's fine without leave_connected; I might do the pointer business myself when I feel zealous |
| 06:53:41 | JdGordon | we probably dont want the disable all targets thing at the start also |
| 06:53:59 | JdGordon | the touchscreen chip is the DAc also isnt it? |
| 06:55:20 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I take it the pcm driver is going to be awhile? |
| 06:55:34 | eigma | JdGordon: correct |
| 06:55:50 | JdGordon | jhMikeS: depends who else wnats to lend a hand :D |
| 06:55:51 | eigma | but that doesn't mean it shouldn't disabled at init-time |
| 06:56:00 | eigma | it's not a chip disable; it's a chip select |
| 06:56:15 | eigma | i.e. "I'm not configuring you right now. Ignore the SPI bus, carry on." |
| 06:56:36 | jhMikeS | JdGordon: I'm changing the interface a bit but I guess the gigabeat-S tree will have the template with comments. |
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| 07:01:18 | kkurbjun | do we have a high resolution image of the rockbox logo? |
| 07:01:30 | kkurbjun | or an svg? |
| 07:01:35 | eigma | *grin* |
| 07:01:42 | krazykit | there's an svg, but it's incomplete |
| 07:01:44 | eigma | I can't wait to see it on that gorgeous VGA screen |
| 07:01:45 | JdGordon | i tinhk there is a svg in the manual or the www folders |
| 07:02:36 | JdGordon | manual/frontpage/rockboxlogo.svg |
| 07:02:59 | JdGordon | kkurbjun: you got the rockbox image compiling? |
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| 07:04:05 | kkurbjun | found it, great - well, it's compiling on my system, on cat's it's not, plugins are broken though |
| 07:04:20 | eigma | am I missing some package? |
| 07:04:29 | JdGordon | eigma: we have the display set to 480x640.. which is the wrong layout for the logo, so it wont look brilliant... |
| 07:04:38 | kkurbjun | it looks really good at 640x198 |
| 07:04:46 | JdGordon | rotated? |
| 07:04:49 | kkurbjun | I'm planning on changing it to 640x480 |
| 07:04:52 | kkurbjun | yeah |
| 07:05:15 | JdGordon | maybe we eventauyll offer 2 builds? 640x480 and 480x640? |
| 07:05:31 | JdGordon | untill we have some magic to rotate at runtime |
| 07:06:41 | eigma | kkurbjun: I usually do make -j5 btw |
| 07:07:03 | kkurbjun | eigma: I don't think your missing anything.. how many cores do you have? |
| 07:07:08 | eigma | 4 :) |
| 07:07:18 | kkurbjun | :), wow |
| 07:07:29 | eigma | I just noticed that you're using plain make, that's all |
| 07:07:39 | eigma | should go 2-3x faster with -j5 |
| 07:07:53 | * | JdGordon has alias make='make -j4' in his .bashrc and has no problems |
| 07:08:16 | eigma | no, I wasn't implying that my -j setting causes build problems |
| 07:08:20 | eigma | I just saw "make" in `w` |
| 07:09:37 | JdGordon | grr.... modifiygin files which were moved :p |
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| 07:09:56 | kkurbjun | gotta go, I'll talk to you guys later - night |
| 07:10:03 | JdGordon | cya |
| 07:10:16 | eigma | cya |
| 07:15:31 | JdGordon | lol @ idiot in the forums |
| 07:15:38 | JdGordon | Marty-K |
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| 07:26:22 | JdGordon | rtc seems to be keeping time better than it was last night :) |
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| 07:35:42 | amiconn | kkurbjun: There is a very high res bitmap version of the rockbox logo (TIFF) |
| 07:43:52 | eigma | JdGordon: you're not supposed to read the RTC as it's flipping seconds or something like that.. if you read it very often, you may see glitches. the datasheet explains, iirc |
| 07:44:26 | JdGordon | ok |
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| 07:44:46 | JdGordon | the get_time() function calls it make oncee a second anyway so it should be ok |
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| 08:16:23 | eigma | good night JdGordon |
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| 08:16:36 | JdGordon | cya |
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| 08:58:11 | GodEater_ | interesting post on GPLv2 versus GPLV3 : http://mailman.openchange.org/pipermail/devel/2007-September/000351.html |
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| 09:10:26 | * | amiconn just had an idea that raises an interesting licensing question |
| 09:12:36 | amiconn | If someone wants to port an application as a rockbox plugin, and that application has a license which is not gpl compatible, this is not possible atm because it interacts with the rockbox core in a non-trivial way |
| 09:13:56 | amiconn | Comparing this with the linux case, where the core is also gpl, but running even closed apps is allowed, there is the difference that the kernel merely loads the app, and it interacts with e.g. glibc which is lgpl |
| 09:14:38 | amiconn | So if someone wants to port an incompatible app, would it be possible to write a "glue layer", and put this under lgpl? |
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| 09:17:14 | GodEater_ | anything is possible of course |
| 09:17:38 | GodEater_ | the thing which confuses me more is the kernel's ability to load non-gpl modules |
| 09:17:42 | Zagor | amiconn: plugin.[ch] is pretty much this glue layer |
| 09:17:51 | Zagor | unless the plugin uses any libs |
| 09:17:53 | GodEater_ | which is a much tighter coupling than kernel->app |
| 09:19:53 | Zagor | GodEater: that's because its' Linus decision. not gpl politics/legalities |
| 09:20:11 | Zagor | it's :) |
| 09:20:17 | GodEater_ | hahaha |
| 09:22:46 | GodEater_ | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/09/30/195207&from=rss <−− more discussion on the same issue. Disclaimer: This *is* slashdot after all ;) |
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| 09:24:45 | diluted^ | A quick question for anyone available |
| 09:24:54 | GodEater_ | just ask |
| 09:25:02 | diluted^ | Is rockbox supported by my pioneer headunit in my car? |
| 09:25:07 | GodEater_ | no |
| 09:25:21 | diluted^ | That sucks, why not |
| 09:25:30 | Zagor | diluted^: explain "supported" |
| 09:25:41 | diluted^ | I manuver through my ipod via my headunit |
| 09:26:10 | diluted^ | I can "control" it through the headunit, display artists, genres, etc |
| 09:26:13 | GodEater_ | diluted^: no-one has implemented the Apple Accessories Protocol for iPods |
| 09:26:43 | diluted^ | It's simply not just a rca-in thing where it plays any source coming from the ipod |
| 09:27:08 | GodEater_ | is that a statement or a question ? |
| 09:27:15 | diluted^ | that is a statement |
| 09:27:45 | GodEater_ | then see my explanation above |
| 09:27:56 | diluted^ | I've already tried rockbox, but I was disappointed by the battery life and poor navigation. I understand an ipod is a minuature computer, but I didn't find it very easy to manuver and look for music |
| 09:28:24 | diluted^ | Its layed out in a heiarchy type view of features and I just didn't like that |
| 09:28:49 | GodEater_ | feel free to submit an alternative design |
| 09:28:55 | diluted^ | It would be nice to keep original firmware and layout, but to change colors etc |
| 09:29:11 | GodEater_ | diluted^: no that wouldn't be nice - what about people who don't own ipods ? |
| 09:29:14 | GodEater_ | we want consistency |
| 09:29:15 | diluted^ | I'm not here to bash it but just put in my .0 |
| 09:29:29 | diluted^ | what do you mean? |
| 09:29:51 | GodEater_ | I mean why would a sansa owner running rockbox want to see an iPod UI ? |
| 09:30:01 | GodEater_ | or vice versa |
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| 09:30:14 | GodEater_ | we don't want to keep anything from the original firmware - |
| 09:30:20 | GodEater_ | that would sort of defeat the point |
| 09:30:45 | diluted^ | I understand but you have to understand, most ipod owners cannot install any of the firmware you guys have made. They want change of colors, new scroll bars and backgrounds etc |
| 09:30:59 | GodEater_ | then run iPodWizard, not Rockbox |
| 09:31:31 | GodEater_ | *you* have to understand we're not interested in what other people want, we're interested in what *we* want |
| 09:31:43 | diluted^ | I understand that |
| 09:32:08 | GodEater_ | if other people like what we've done, and want to use it, then great. But if they don't - well no-one's making them use our software. |
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| 09:32:21 | diluted^ | Honestly does it consume battery life when using rockbox vs. original firmware? |
| 09:32:46 | GodEater_ | diluted^: you're showing your lack of research here diluted^ |
| 09:33:14 | GodEater_ | diluted^: the irc guidelines ask you nicely to have done some homework |
| 09:33:18 | diluted^ | I never researched anything or stated that I have. I am just asking questions |
| 09:33:19 | LinusN | i believe rockbox still consumes more battery than the original firmware on some ipods |
| 09:33:44 | LinusN | meybe even all ipods... |
| 09:33:46 | LinusN | maybe |
| 09:33:58 | diluted^ | I found that even moderatly using my ipod playing music, two hours was nearly maximum compared to 5-6 hours regularly |
| 09:34:04 | diluted^ | when using rockbox |
| 09:34:08 | Bagder | 1st to 3rd gen I think we're good on, but the others... |
| 09:34:44 | diluted^ | And I noticed my harddrive spun quite a bit more, probably of higher amount of alotted cache. But thats where the battery life went off to. |
| 09:34:58 | Bagder | nope |
| 09:35:29 | Bagder | first, I don't think the hard drive spun more, then I'm quite sure that's not what eats the battery more in rockbox |
| 09:36:37 | diluted^ | Before installing rockbox (keep in mind this was well over a year ago), I rarely ever heard my 5g ipod's hard drive spin. Only on boot up and rarely when it was being used |
| 09:36:53 | diluted^ | Could be to due to the fact that I have on headphones listening to music produced by it, but nonetheless |
| 09:36:56 | Bagder | so it loads music by magic? |
| 09:37:11 | diluted^ | After installing rockbox I constantly heard it spin, for seconds at a time |
| 09:37:20 | diluted^ | Just something I noticed. |
| 09:37:32 | Bagder | yes, and I question the analysis |
| 09:37:49 | diluted^ | Then what do you think was making that noise? |
| 09:38:13 | Bagder | I'm not saying rockbox doesn't spin up the disk |
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| 09:38:52 | * | GodEater_ believes the native firmware spins the drive for shorter periods, but much more often. |
| 09:39:06 | diluted^ | This may be true, once again I am speculating |
| 09:39:25 | Zagor | diluted^: when you ran apple firmware you had headphones and didn't hear the disk. when testing rockbox you didn't use headphones and thus heard the disk. and this is for some reason a problem with rockbox??? |
| 09:39:26 | * | Bagder doesn't have an ipod... :-) |
| 09:39:27 | diluted^ | Rockbox would be great if iPods came with more alotted ram and such |
| 09:39:30 | morrijr | doesn't battery also depend on the codec used to encode the music? |
| 09:39:46 | GodEater_ | diluted^: rockbox uses all the available ram in the ipod |
| 09:39:48 | Bagder | diluted^: rockbox does not need more ram than the OF |
| 09:40:03 | Bagder | morrijr: yes |
| 09:40:20 | morrijr | diluted^: so have you changed the encoding for the music you are listening too? |
| 09:40:24 | GodEater_ | diluted^: so it loads as much off the disk as possible into memory, and then stops spinning the disk |
| 09:41:02 | advcomp2019 | and the battery life depends how long you use the display too |
| 09:42:21 | diluted^ | Not to mention unstable builds and unexpected crashed. I loved how it looked, but if I wanted my music player to become a small computer, I would carry a laptop around with me. |
| 09:42:41 | Zagor | diluted^: I think you are confusing rockbox with ipodlinux |
| 09:42:54 | diluted^ | To each his own but this is my perception of it. You guys do a good job of what you are doing and its admirable. But some things are better left alone |
| 09:43:09 | morrijr | daps *are* small computers. The only thing that differs is the amount to which that functionality is exposed :) |
| 09:43:37 | Bagder | diluted^: you're clearly not in our target group, but we have tens of thousands of users who're happy with rockbox |
| 09:43:51 | GodEater_ | diluted^: so, you've asked a question about using your ipod with your headunit, and found out it won't work. But now you're telling us you wouldn't use it even if it did, because you don't like it ? |
| 09:44:10 | Bagder | troll is the word |
| 09:45:24 | diluted^ | I am telling you that I have tried it before and reset back to original firmware. I thought for some crazy far out reason that it may be compatible with my head unit. |
| 09:45:40 | Bagder | we would love it to be |
| 09:45:43 | diluted^ | My headunit constantly charges the iPod, so I thought power usage wouldn't be an issue. I guess I was wrong and thanks for your help. |
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| 09:46:41 | Zagor | "i love how it looked" somehow sounds like he has never tried it :-) |
| 09:46:54 | GodEater_ | waste of time |
| 09:47:00 | Zagor | that's quite the opposite of what most people say |
| 09:49:36 | advcomp2019 | i like rockbox on my sansa |
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| 09:50:26 | Zagor | advcomp2019: yeah, I mean most people love how it _works_ but thinks it could be prettier |
| 09:50:46 | morrijr | I like it, although I've been having problems with my iPod detecting (and restarting into disk mode) when a usb connection is made. (Not a complaint you understand, just an observation) I have to unplug the hub from the power and plug it in again. Don't know why - used to work :) |
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| 09:53:36 | advcomp2019 | i do not mind how the menus look because how much do you look at your player while it is playing |
| 09:53:38 | JdGordon | Llorean: did you try out the menu reaaranging patch yet? |
| 09:56:41 | Llorean | Not yet, sorry |
| 09:58:05 | JdGordon | got any objections to it being commited anyway? |
| 09:58:53 | TMM | yeah, care should be taken as to not make the menu's so pretty people will continue to stare at them |
| 09:58:59 | TMM | they might crash their car ;) |
| 09:59:06 | TMM | rockbox: It's for YOUR safety |
| 09:59:13 | pixelma | JdGordon: yes, if this patch doesn't update the manual accordingly, too... </half-serious> |
| 09:59:21 | LinusN | "Rockbox - boring is safe" |
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| 10:00:03 | JdGordon | pixelma: yeah, I meant to ask you about that actually... I'd really rather not dig in the manual... |
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| 10:02:11 | JdGordon | and umm.. while people seem to be around.... whats everyones opinions on using the touchpad button code in the sim for the mouse? |
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| 10:03:32 | JdGordon | I'd like to enable it so when the drawing code gets changed there is less liklyhood of it being completly broken. |
| 10:07:13 | pixelma | JdGordon: where is the question in your statement about the manual? ;) - Btw. it's not that hard to work with tex, I had never seen it before I started working on the Rockbox manual... |
| 10:07:18 | midkay | what FS# is the menu reordering patch? |
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| 10:07:58 | linuxstb | JdGordon: IMO, the sim is a sim, so shouldn't use a mouse if the device doesn't have one. But I don't feel that strongly. |
| 10:08:03 | JdGordon | pixelma: well... the question was a hint to hopefully get someone else to do it... |
| 10:08:25 | JdGordon | midkay: fs#7864 |
| 10:08:42 | Llorean | linuxstb, JdGordon: Maybe just add a HAS_PIXEL_INPUT define for it. |
| 10:08:45 | petur | linuxstb: I have that same feeling, the upper code of sim and target should be as close as possible |
| 10:08:49 | midkay | JdGordon: ah, thanks. sounds nice. |
| 10:08:56 | JdGordon | I dont think i've ever properly read the manual and really dont want to be touching it |
| 10:08:59 | Llorean | Then it can be enabled in any sim for testing, but that doesn't need to be defined by default for any current ones? |
| 10:09:48 | JdGordon | well, I'm using HAVE_TOUCHPAD for the mrobe, which I thought could be defined for the sim regardless of the target (not charcell though) |
| 10:10:13 | Llorean | I don't think it should be defined for any sims that aren't for a touchscreen target |
| 10:10:22 | linuxstb | JdGordon: That sounds wrong... That will mean the sim will have all features which depend on the touchpad |
| 10:10:37 | JdGordon | either way the code will be there, so I thought 2 reasons to enable it.. 1) make the sim more an app and more usable, and 2) so when people fiddle with the drawing code they will be able to see if they break the mrobe |
| 10:10:43 | Llorean | It's not hard to add the define for testing, but the sim should stay as close in terms of I/O to the target as possible |
| 10:10:57 | linuxstb | JdGordon: 2) - people can just test with the mrobe sim... |
| 10:11:11 | JdGordon | linuxstb: do you really belive people will do that? |
| 10:11:19 | petur | JdGordon: the sim is also used to debug UI code, don't make it any different from target |
| 10:11:53 | JdGordon | petur: ? |
| 10:12:12 | amiconn | Zagor: plugin.[ch] is gpl though... |
| 10:12:15 | linuxstb | JdGordon: They have no excuse not to - it's no different to any other hardware feature, like LCD remotes... |
| 10:12:20 | Llorean | JdGordon: Well, once the mrobe is a target, if they break it they'll know at least by the time they commit, but really if they're modifying code that might break the touchinput they should be checking |
| 10:12:33 | petur | "<JdGordon>either way the code will be there, so I thought 2 reasons to enable it.." <−− the code shouldn't be there if the target has no touch input |
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| 10:12:42 | JdGordon | ok, so i wont enable it |
| 10:13:05 | JdGordon | bbs |
| 10:13:25 | linuxstb | Although something that could be nice would be to enable mouse input on the background image - so the user can click on buttons. Could maybe be a nice way to emulate the ipod's wheel for example. |
| 10:13:41 | eddie_nz | Hey JdGordon I downloaded that patch for fast-forward/rewind scrubbing (As well as the double click patch), compiled it all (into fullzip) and then ran it on my ipod... however I don't know how to activate scrubbing. Any ideas? |
| 10:14:31 | Zagor | amiconn: yes, but it's small and simple enough that it could be relicensed if we wanted. |
| 10:14:36 | eddie_nz | (my ipod is a mini 2g if that helps) |
| 10:17:48 | linuxstb | amiconn: Do you have a specific plugin in mind, or are you just talking theoretically? |
| 10:18:04 | amiconn | linuxstb: Still pondering an XSkat port... |
| 10:19:23 | * | amiconn doesn't like the fact that it's not gpl, but there is no other open source Skat engine afaik :\ |
| 10:19:25 | linuxstb | amiconn: My only worry is that if we allow plugins which aren't GPL'd, we'll be allowing closed-source plugins, and I wouldn't like to encourage those. |
| 10:19:48 | amiconn | very true |
| 10:19:57 | amiconn | XSkat isn't closed source though |
| 10:20:29 | TMM | ow yeah, that would be awesome. $manufacturer uses rockbox native on their player and stuffs it full of non-gpl plugins |
| 10:20:56 | TMM | would be very nice to have to target a player that already HAS rockbox, wouldn't it? ;) |
| 10:21:06 | linuxstb | Where's the fun in that? |
| 10:21:16 | Zagor | haha |
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| 10:23:05 | TMM | linuxstb, sarcasm, heard of it? ;) |
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| 10:23:23 | linuxstb | TMM: I was also joking... |
| 10:23:35 | TMM | in that case, I'm an idiot :P |
| 10:23:38 | Llorean | How would it be possible to allow closed source plugins exactly? |
| 10:23:53 | B4gder | sarcasm is tricky in IRC |
| 10:24:05 | * | linuxstb needs to remember to smile |
| 10:24:52 | syn4pse | is there any other fixed width font besides FONT_SYSFIXED? I know that this is a basic question but I can't seem to find the answer. fixedsys is 6x8; I'd like to try 8x8 or something slightly larger |
| 10:25:24 | Llorean | syn4pse: Actually, a decent number of fonts are fixed width. Try various ones, maybe Profont? |
| 10:25:53 | syn4pse | Llorean: that sounds great. do i call them with rb->lcd_setfont()? |
| 10:25:55 | rasher | syn4pse: all the NxN fonts are fixed width |
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| 10:26:26 | rasher | syn4pse: No. You can only change between FONT_USERFONT (or something like that) and FONT_SYSFIXED |
| 10:27:10 | JdGordon | anyone know who idak on the tracker is? |
| 10:27:23 | syn4pse | please forgive my ignorance. how would I set the FONt_userfont to Profont or another? |
| 10:27:59 | Llorean | syn4pse: You can't, the user sets their own font to whatever they want. |
| 10:28:21 | Llorean | You could override the userfont, but that's a bad idea, and you can't assume any font is present on disk anyway |
| 10:28:30 | syn4pse | poop. |
| 10:29:02 | syn4pse | i'd just like to make my 20x45 grid a little larger |
| 10:29:09 | JdGordon | reject fs#7845? |
| 10:30:28 | syn4pse | oh well. maybe i'll supply a magnifying glass with my plugin. |
| 10:31:39 | petur | JdGordon: I thought so too, but it is probably the only way to automate time syncing |
| 10:31:50 | petur | so I left it there |
| 10:31:55 | JdGordon | sounds like a bad way to do it though |
| 10:32:02 | pixelma | syn4pse: do you need a full font or do you only need some digits for example? |
| 10:32:18 | JdGordon | we can do proper time syncing when we have usb on pp.. and its just bloat anyway |
| 10:32:55 | petur | JdGordon: this one was even for H300 |
| 10:33:01 | Zagor | well then we'd need to write windows usb drivers. raise your hand everyone who wants to do that... |
| 10:33:18 | Llorean | I think though it should still be closed |
| 10:33:28 | Llorean | Looking at my watch once a week doesn't hurt me very much. |
| 10:33:46 | Zagor | I agree. it's not something that is going into svn. |
| 10:33:56 | Llorean | It's just throwing complexity at a non-problem. |
| 10:34:02 | pixelma | the M5's RTC is more accurate than my watch anyways :) |
| 10:34:12 | syn4pse | pixelma: I need just a few characters, but they must line up in the grid. |
| 10:34:41 | syn4pse | v,>,<,^,.,#,%,[space] |
| 10:34:53 | pixelma | syn4pse: maybe you could use a bitmap for it (same as other plugins do, e.g. sudoku with digits) |
| 10:35:07 | syn4pse | you are probably right. |
| 10:35:35 | syn4pse | i could take a look at the bitmaps for sudoku |
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| 10:36:54 | syn4pse | the app i'm porting was written in curses and i'm still thinking text |
| 10:38:21 | syn4pse | what is the danger of making my app less portable to other platforms? is there a maximum video resolution I should respect? |
| 10:39:42 | Llorean | syn4pse: Bitmap LCDs range from I think 112x64 to 320x240, so you'll either look way too small, or won't fit depending on which direction you lean |
| 10:39:51 | Zagor | syn4pse: resolution will continue to increase. the mr-500 for instance has a whopping 640x480 display... |
| 10:40:46 | syn4pse | i have the ipod video, and I have had enough trouble squeezing the text onto 320x480 |
| 10:40:49 | syn4pse | :D |
| 10:42:11 | syn4pse | thanks for all of your help! |
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| 10:55:04 | pondlife | LinusN: Thanks for spotting the H300 bootloader problem |
| 10:55:24 | LinusN | nasty one |
| 10:55:32 | petur | did I miss something? |
| 10:55:57 | LinusN | i never really liked the set_cpu_frequency() dependency (although i am the one that introduced it) |
| 10:56:37 | LinusN | now we have to find a way to solve it in a nice way |
| 10:57:01 | petur | oh wow, nice find Linus |
| 10:57:03 | LinusN | for some reason amiconn decided that bootloaders shouldn't use frequency switching |
| 10:57:35 | LinusN | i guess he really meant ipod bootloaders... |
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| 10:58:37 | LinusN | i think we might want to move that #undef to the target specific config.h files |
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| 11:00:36 | eddie_nz | Is anyone able to help me with getting fast-forward scrubbing working? :) |
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| 11:06:46 | amiconn | LinusN: Afaik coldfire bootloaders also don't use frequency switching |
| 11:07:35 | petur | amiconn: also not when going into usb mode? or are they always unboosted? |
| 11:07:54 | amiconn | Always running @ 11MHz |
| 11:08:27 | amiconn | Imo the bootloaders shouldn't use it because (1) it adds complexity which might be dangerous (i.e. hang the bootloader) (2) it might confuse the OF when we start it |
| 11:08:42 | TMM | 11Mhz ought to be anough for everybody |
| 11:09:04 | petur | lol |
| 11:12:42 | LinusN | i believe they are unboosted since some time back |
| 11:13:07 | LinusN | but they unfortunately depend on set_cpu_frequency() to set the default timing for the peripherals |
| 11:13:49 | amiconn | argh |
| 11:14:06 | LinusN | since the dawn of rockbox on iriver |
| 11:14:15 | amiconn | The PP solves this problem in a different way |
| 11:15:14 | amiconn | set_cpu_frequency() always exists. If HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ is not defined, it is called pp_set_cpu_frequency(), and is static void. |
| 11:15:31 | amiconn | system_init() calls it in that case |
| 11:15:58 | LinusN | i see |
| 11:16:09 | amiconn | See, e.g. system-pp502x.c lines 110ff and 242 ff |
| 11:16:18 | LinusN | looking as we speak |
| 11:16:40 | LinusN | maybe we should do the same on coldfire |
| 11:17:57 | amiconn | For PP this is not so much because we need to set up peripherals, but to set a high CPU clock when compiling without adjustable frequency |
| 11:19:00 | pondlife | Consistency is good... |
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| 12:00:16 | preglow | anyone herek now if the new ipods actually have a good eq? |
| 12:03:23 | preglow | the manuals seem to say no, but i've seen a couple of review that actually say it's got a parametric eq |
| 12:03:26 | preglow | sounds like bs, then |
| 12:03:53 | markun | weird |
| 12:04:29 | markun | there was a nano 3g owner here last night, but I don't think he will be back to answer your question |
| 12:04:42 | markun | he just came here to brag how perfect it is |
| 12:04:47 | preglow | i'll just attribute that to people who like to say "parametric eq" but don't know what it is |
| 12:04:50 | preglow | yeah, troll, saw him |
| 12:06:01 | markun | preglow: yes, the manul of the classic only talks about presets |
| 12:06:09 | markun | manual even |
| 12:07:10 | * | markun still doesn't really understand how music genres are linked to equalizer settings |
| 12:07:43 | JdGordon | its all marketing... |
| 12:07:45 | jhMikeS | petur: to your much earlier question yes, but since no data is passed to the pcmrec thread, it still receives them serialized. starts are always sent. the recording only allows valid state transitions and bogus ones are ignored. |
| 12:07:45 | preglow | no one ever will |
| 12:08:21 | markun | preglow: is it to counter the problems introduced by the people who mix for various genres, or to unbalance it even more? |
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| 12:09:29 | preglow | you don't mix for a genre, you mix to make something sound like you want it to |
| 12:09:36 | preglow | it's just retarded, is what i think |
| 12:09:56 | preglow | i've never used an eq preset in my life, and i'm quite sure i'll continue |
| 12:09:57 | petur | me uses tone control only to compensate hardware |
| 12:10:05 | petur | +/ |
| 12:10:24 | novas242001 | guys, is it possible to install rockbox on the apple os |
| 12:10:26 | jhMikeS | preglow: no luck with the amp? I lay down for two seconds to think and just fell asleep. |
| 12:10:44 | rvvs89 | novas242001: Hello again |
| 12:10:51 | preglow | jhMikeS: nothing apart from just finding ok-ish eq settings, but i haven't bothered implementing it in the plugin yet |
| 12:10:52 | markun | preglow: looks like itunes stores the EQ settings per track for you. That actually makes sense I think |
| 12:10:54 | novas242001 | dammit. |
| 12:10:59 | novas242001 | lol |
| 12:11:02 | rvvs89 | Rockbox has nothing to do with the Apple OS |
| 12:11:06 | preglow | markun: sure |
| 12:11:12 | preglow | markun: too bad you need bloody itunes to do it |
| 12:11:24 | novas242001 | im starting to lik you rvvs89. u amuse me. lol |
| 12:11:38 | novas242001 | nice 2 know u buddy. |
| 12:11:44 | rvvs89 | Heh, well, I have to go |
| 12:11:45 | rvvs89 | Laters |
| 12:11:48 | markun | preglow: perhaps there are other programs who do it in a more standard way? I'll google a bit. |
| 12:11:59 | preglow | i doubt it, but feel free :) |
| 12:12:00 | novas242001 | ya, take care. keep cool |
| 12:12:57 | novas242001 | anybody seen Kingstone lately?? |
| 12:13:10 | novas242001 | or morphey or vicerman? |
| 12:13:23 | markun | novas242001: are you sure they hang out in #rockbox? |
| 12:13:27 | B4gder | you must be confusing this channel with something else |
| 12:13:57 | novas242001 | this is my first time in freenode. im not confusing anything. |
| 12:14:01 | * | linuxstb guesses novas242001 is looking for #ipodlinux |
| 12:14:10 | Isolinear | Does iTunes assign eq setting per track as well as store them? |
| 12:14:17 | B4gder | novas242001: so who are those persons you ask about? |
| 12:14:24 | novas242001 | treeet!! wrong!! linuxstb. |
| 12:14:35 | linuxstb | novas242001: Then why are you asking about IPL people here? |
| 12:14:43 | * | novas242001 hints linuxstb something about ipodwizard |
| 12:14:57 | Isolinear | (fyi: linuxstb is never wrong...) ;) |
| 12:15:00 | markun | Isolinear: from the ipod classic manual: "If you assigned an equalizer preset to a song in iTunes and the iPod classic equalizer is |
| 12:15:01 | novas242001 | its not about the ipl thing bro. |
| 12:15:01 | * | B4gder hints novas242001 that this is #rockbox |
| 12:15:03 | markun | set to Off, the song plays using the iTunes setting. See iTunes Help for more |
| 12:15:05 | markun | information. |
| 12:15:07 | preglow | is it just me or has there been a recent surge of small-time trolls here? |
| 12:15:10 | markun | (oops) |
| 12:15:14 | novas242001 | its about the language he's developing |
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| 12:15:42 | linuxstb | novas242001: But to answer your question - Rockbox can be installed on the ipods listed at http://www.rockbox.org and Kingstone never comes here (but I've seen him in the IPL channels sometimes). |
| 12:15:51 | Isolinear | So you have to manually eq every song you want to have a per-song eq apply to? |
| 12:15:51 | | Part Spyro_boy |
| 12:15:53 | Llorean | markun: So it applies an EQ to your songs when you set the EQ to "Off" on the iPod? |
| 12:16:02 | markun | Llorean: exactly ;) |
| 12:16:05 | Llorean | markun: That could very easily account for all the times people make claims about sound quality differences. |
| 12:16:13 | novas242001 | oh. GOD BLESS LINUXSTB. |
| 12:16:23 | preglow | i want to be blessed too |
| 12:16:33 | markun | preglow: by GOD? |
| 12:16:36 | preglow | surely not |
| 12:16:40 | preglow | someone fancier |
| 12:16:47 | Isolinear | Like linuxstb? |
| 12:16:49 | Isolinear | :P |
| 12:16:54 | preglow | that'd be perfect, yeah! |
| 12:17:12 | * | linuxstb invites preglow to London to be blessed with beer |
| 12:17:26 | markun | my girlfriend asked me this weekend if rockbox was now a proper religion :) |
| 12:17:26 | novas242001 | listen up guys. what if i'd say i want rockbox in the apple os. u guys think tats ever possible |
| 12:17:27 | * | preglow has his skin tingling has he hears the b word |
| 12:17:36 | Llorean | linuxstb: I saw you commented on the InfoNES patch at one point. Did the previous version actually run, I tried the most recent patch and it freezes. |
| 12:17:51 | preglow | novas242001: already is, compile a simulator |
| 12:17:56 | markun | novas242001: ask apple, they work on apple OS, maybe you can convince them to include rockbox |
| 12:18:06 | linuxstb | Llorean: I never tried it on a target, but tried the gigabeat sim, where it seemed to run, but I couldn't make the buttons do anything... |
| 12:18:14 | novas242001 | wow. tats gotta be complicated <preglow> |
| 12:18:31 | Llorean | novas242001: Rockbox is a replacement firmware. It's designed to run on its own, not on top of anything. It can be installed at the same time, so you can dual boot, but that's it. |
| 12:18:33 | preglow | it isn't, but sure |
| 12:18:40 | Llorean | linuxstb: Ah, let me check the sim, then. |
| 12:18:45 | preglow | oh, that apple os |
| 12:18:54 | Llorean | linuxstb: It hard freezes on target for me. |
| 12:19:03 | pondlife | LinusN: Testing your patch on H300.... |
| 12:19:12 | linuxstb | Llorean: Yes, I read your comment. |
| 12:19:14 | novas242001 | so, its just like the apple OS or ipl <Llorean> |
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| 12:19:46 | markun | novas242001: like them, but much better of course ;) |
| 12:19:48 | Llorean | novas242001: I don't understand what exactly you're asking, but if you mean "It can dual boot like iPL" then yes, iPl, Apple OS, and Rockbox are each stand-alone firmwares. |
| 12:19:48 | linuxstb | novas242001: Yes, apart from the fact it runs on a wide variety of devices, not just ipods. |
| 12:20:13 | novas242001 | tats it Llorean. tats wat i was sayin bro. |
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| 12:20:28 | novas242001 | i know tat linuxstb. thnx anyway |
| 12:21:03 | Llorean | novas242001: The word is "That". Our guidelines ask that you use real English words so that the blind and those that don't speak English as their first language can more easily interact. |
| 12:21:26 | novas242001 | very funny Llorean. |
| 12:21:30 | Llorean | I'm not joking. |
| 12:21:36 | Isolinear | Umm... It's actually true.. |
| 12:21:37 | Llorean | You can read them at the link in the channel topic. |
| 12:22:04 | novas242001 | ok |
| 12:23:35 | Isolinear | Hey preglow, do you think the scrollwheel accel. patch is anywhere near commit-able? |
| 12:24:38 | preglow | Isolinear: yeah |
| 12:24:49 | preglow | at least it's pretty usable |
| 12:24:53 | Llorean | I just tried the most recent version of the scrollwheel patch that's based on the Sansa method |
| 12:24:57 | Llorean | It's quite nice on my Nano |
| 12:25:07 | preglow | mine too |
| 12:25:20 | Isolinear | Opinions on what needs refinement? |
| 12:25:23 | preglow | but mike has some comments on it i'd like to investigate further |
| 12:25:36 | jhMikeS | Buschel gave in? |
| 12:26:04 | jhMikeS | *joking* |
| 12:26:33 | preglow | well, the latest patch is quite usable |
| 12:26:44 | preglow | i'd rather just understand how hysteresis would make it even better |
| 12:26:47 | preglow | and in what ways |
| 12:27:04 | jhMikeS | but which sort? |
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| 12:27:20 | markun | preglow: perhaps just commit it and refine later? |
| 12:27:22 | jhMikeS | you mean angular? |
| 12:27:37 | preglow | jhMikeS: hell, i don't know, you're the one talking about it :) |
| 12:27:43 | preglow | markun: perhaps |
| 12:28:01 | Isolinear | True... |
| 12:28:03 | jhMikeS | well, sansa uses it for starting and stopping the fast mode as well |
| 12:28:22 | jhMikeS | anything I can do to help get the point accross then? |
| 12:28:24 | Isolinear | Might as well take advantage of the fact that it's as useful as it is... |
| 12:28:55 | linuxstb | preglow: How does it compare to Apple's firmware? (if you can remember...) |
| 12:29:35 | Isolinear | I just used my co-workers OF iPod earlier tonight and it got me thinking about it.. |
| 12:30:05 | jhMikeS | I tried my sister's video and it incorporates that angular "window" too |
| 12:30:25 | Isolinear | The acceleration part is beautiful but it gets touchy when you try to stop. |
| 12:30:36 | preglow | linuxstb: it's a variation of the same, perhaps accelerates a bit more aggressively but, that's a setting |
| 12:31:02 | linuxstb | Why does it need a setting? I assume OFs don't have one. |
| 12:31:14 | Llorean | I don't think it needs a setting if we get it right. |
| 12:31:18 | Isolinear | The OF acceleration seemed ok... Not as good (or customizable) as ours. |
| 12:31:23 | preglow | linuxstb: well, we're rockbox, but you've got a point |
| 12:31:35 | Llorean | I think ours accelerates quite aggressively, but it still feels fairly accurate (for me, on my Nano) |
| 12:31:44 | Isolinear | But half of the reason I use RB is to customize everything... :P |
| 12:31:45 | preglow | yeah, it could accelerate less |
| 12:31:57 | preglow | yeah, but you don't need to customize the accelration, really, just get used to it |
| 12:31:59 | Llorean | I actually like where ours accelerates at by default, but that's me. |
| 12:32:01 | linuxstb | Shouldn't the aggressiveness depend on the length of the list? |
| 12:32:10 | preglow | shrug |
| 12:32:10 | Llorean | linuxstb: Probably |
| 12:32:23 | Llorean | Actually |
| 12:32:23 | Isolinear | I just like options.. |
| 12:32:47 | Isolinear | Rockbox being so flexible is part of what makes it so great IMO. |
| 12:33:02 | Llorean | Isolinear: Yes, but option bloat is a real problem, as well as unnecessary complexity. |
| 12:33:31 | Isolinear | True... |
| 12:33:47 | Isolinear | But I think it wouldn't be unnecessary... |
| 12:33:49 | Llorean | There's no reason to have options just for the sake of options, so the first attempt should be to try to find a happy medium, and if it becomes problematic then make it configurable. |
| 12:33:59 | Llorean | Isolinear: Do we _need_ it? |
| 12:34:05 | Llorean | Or do we _want_ it? |
| 12:34:21 | Isolinear | Scrolling is such a fundamental part of using the device, it'd suck to be stuck with something that doesn't work for everyone.. |
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| 12:34:43 | Isolinear | How much red are we saving by omitting settings for it anyway? |
| 12:34:47 | Llorean | Isolinear: You're assuming it's impossible for it to be done in a way that works well for everyone. |
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| 12:35:04 | jhMikeS | it's that touchy stuff slow mode gets rid of since it cancells acceleration unconditionally at slow speeds so no skipping is allowed |
| 12:35:08 | Llorean | Isolinear: Please, don't play the numbers game. It's not an issue of *just* how many bits are saved. |
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| 12:35:42 | Llorean | Isolinear: All I'm saying is that we should save having it for configurable if it proves too hard to please everyone with one setting. |
| 12:35:56 | Isolinear | lol.. That was my point. |
| 12:36:05 | * | linuxstb thinks we all agree... |
| 12:36:08 | Isolinear | I was just assuming that it *probably* would be too hard to do so. |
| 12:36:17 | Isolinear | But nothing is impossible. :) |
| 12:36:17 | Llorean | Don't make assumptions off the bat. |
| 12:36:34 | * | Isolinear agrees with linuxstb. |
| 12:36:38 | Llorean | I haven't heard many people clamoring for configurability in the OF's scroll, so apparently you can please most people in some ways |
| 12:36:43 | preglow | screw bits, i'm talking about having less options |
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| 12:36:49 | Llorean | preglow: Me too. |
| 12:36:55 | preglow | we already have too many, and if apple gets away with no setting for this, then so can we |
| 12:37:01 | preglow | we're already very close to their behaviour |
| 12:37:11 | Llorean | I'd probably put money down that it's possible to get a scroll speed that feels "natural", so that it pleases, say 90% of users. |
| 12:37:18 | Llorean | But I don't bet, so I won't. |
| 12:37:24 | jhMikeS | is the accel still to aggressive if you set it lower? |
| 12:37:29 | preglow | cmon, let the money do the talking! |
| 12:37:38 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I don't think that it's *too* aggressive, just that it *is*. I like it. |
| 12:37:39 | Isolinear | lol |
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| 12:38:39 | Isolinear | How aggressive is too aggressive is kinda relative.. Is it a 20 item list or a 2000 item list, you know? |
| 12:38:48 | Llorean | I test on a 640 file folder, and scrolling it takes seconds, but feels "just right" to me. |
| 12:38:51 | jhMikeS | Is anyone clamouring for the e200 to be configurable? I think I was a bit on the conservative side for acceleration and it could be increased with no loss of control. |
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| 12:38:58 | pondlife | LinusN: Yep, H300 bootloader works |
| 12:39:04 | LinusN | wee! |
| 12:39:05 | preglow | e200 accel isn't configurable? |
| 12:39:11 | jhMikeS | preglow: nope |
| 12:39:13 | preglow | good |
| 12:39:34 | jhMikeS | but Buschel added the option to that as well |
| 12:39:38 | Llorean | jhMikeS: I think the e200 could be a *wee* bit more aggressive, but I haven't played with it too much, I rarely scroll long lists. |
| 12:39:38 | Isolinear | How many stages of acceleration does the patch have? |
| 12:40:03 | jhMikeS | like 10 different deg/S settings |
| 12:40:10 | Isolinear | Ah.. |
| 12:40:19 | jhMikeS | give or take |
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| 12:43:19 | jhMikeS | btw, the sansa wheel can just be flicked kind of fast and you can move through 2000 item lists pretty easily. A little practice and it's possible to pick, say, "M" and move it right there. |
| 12:43:36 | Llorean | I was just doing that with my 600 item list. |
| 12:43:47 | Llorean | Not quite as huge, but I found it quite easy to stop where I wanted |
| 12:44:44 | novas242001 | k guys. i jus downloaded rockbox. i hope the manual im downloading includes the installation guide. |
| 12:44:49 | Isolinear | Oh shoot... |
| 12:44:50 | novas242001 | tell me it does fellas. lol |
| 12:45:07 | Llorean | novas242001: Yes. |
| 12:45:11 | Isolinear | I just realized that the accel patch I had been using was the Diffenbach patch... lol |
| 12:45:23 | * | novas242001 is gonna try rockbox and is *all smiles* |
| 12:45:24 | Llorean | Isolinear: That one's a bit... not what we're talking about. :) |
| 12:45:43 | Isolinear | Ya, seriously... |
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| 12:47:44 | markun | novas242001: good luck |
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| 12:49:24 | * | Isolinear rushes to try out the RIGHT patch... |
| 12:49:53 | * | GodEater_ waves his "commit 7738" sign |
| 12:49:53 | novas242001 | goodluck!! im gonna need that?? |
| 12:50:14 | * | novas242001 thinks about the risks involved in installing rockbox |
| 12:50:56 | * | novas242001 thinks about his data of 70 gb stored in his ipod and wonders if its gonna get lost |
| 12:51:14 | Isolinear | Uh.. Back it up? |
| 12:51:19 | * | jhMikeS wonders about this competing patch thing |
| 12:51:30 | * | novas242001 got down on his knees and prayed. |
| 12:51:31 | Llorean | jhMikeS: Competing patch? |
| 12:51:42 | linuxstb | jhMikeS: If you're talking about the other scroll patch, I wouldn't call it competing - it's very old, and abandoned. |
| 12:51:43 | Nico_P | ...same question :) |
| 12:51:45 | Llorean | novas242001: You can't damage the contents of your disk unless you do something ridiculously not in the instructions. |
| 12:51:57 | novas242001 | damn baby. tats gonna take one hell of a time. |
| 12:52:01 | markun | or just don't install rockbox if you are not sure |
| 12:52:08 | jhMikeS | linuxstb: ah, frankly I never even looked at it but knew it existed |
| 12:52:09 | Llorean | novas242001: Remember the whole "Real words" thing? |
| 12:52:21 | * | GodEater_ wants to know how the data has got on the ipod if it isn't on a PC in the first place |
| 12:52:46 | * | novas242001 ignores markun... and theres nothing but 'rockbox' in his mind |
| 12:53:34 | novas242001 | my ipod is like my secondary hardrive bro. it contains stuffs that are backedup from my pc. lol |
| 12:53:44 | novas242001 | @ GodEater |
| 12:54:07 | Isolinear | Oh my god! |
| 12:54:25 | * | novas242001 apologises to Llorean and promises to use only realwords from now on |
| 12:54:25 | Isolinear | (Or perhaps it should be "Oh my linuxstb!") |
| 12:54:39 | Isolinear | In either case, yeah, this patch is sooooooo much better. |
| 12:54:40 | Isolinear | lol |
| 12:54:47 | * | novas242001 wants to know if he's forgiven. |
| 12:55:06 | Llorean | All is well. |
| 12:55:12 | Llorean | Isolinear: It works quite well doesn't it? |
| 12:55:23 | Isolinear | Indeed it does. |
| 12:56:10 | GodEater_ | "7738 for commit" |
| 12:56:28 | Isolinear | Could stand to be a bit more aggressive in my 1800 song playlist though.. :P |
| 12:56:46 | Llorean | Isolinear: Move your wheel a bit faster? ;) |
| 12:56:51 | jhMikeS | Only thing is, e200 needs setting ranges tweaked but I suppose that's no biggie to pick up on later |
| 12:56:53 | Isolinear | I was. |
| 12:57:34 | Isolinear | Took me 26 rotations to get to the end. |
| 12:57:36 | GodEater_ | Isolinear: was there smoke coming off it ? |
| 12:57:45 | jhMikeS | Isolinear: there is a setting in there |
| 12:57:48 | Isolinear | And I was rotating pretty freakin' fast. |
| 12:58:04 | pondlife | Isolinear: Can you compare to the OF? |
| 12:58:14 | Isolinear | Better. |
| 12:58:17 | Llorean | 26 rotations for 1800 songs doesn't seem like much. |
| 12:58:27 | pondlife | That's what I was thinking |
| 12:58:29 | Llorean | Especially since that means the most you should ever need is ~13 for that list. |
| 12:59:07 | Llorean | Isolinear: The OF is better, or the patch is? |
| 12:59:16 | Isolinear | I'm thinking maybe something along the line of "after x number of rotations at full speed, start making bigger jumps"... |
| 12:59:21 | Isolinear | The patch is better. |
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| 12:59:43 | GodEater_ | the OF of course goes into "Alphabet" mode at hi speed |
| 12:59:49 | LinusN | wow, has the file browser on the ipod video become slower recently? |
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| 13:00:10 | GodEater_ | LinusN: don't think so |
| 13:00:11 | Llorean | LinusN: In Rockbox? |
| 13:00:16 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:00:20 | pondlife | A side-effect of the gradient bar addition? |
| 13:00:20 | LinusN | it's horrible |
| 13:00:23 | Llorean | Nobody's been complaining about it |
| 13:00:33 | * | GodEater_ hasn't noticed a slow down |
| 13:00:41 | Llorean | pondlife: That should only affect if you're using a gradient though. |
| 13:00:42 | Isolinear | That gradient is impressive, btw... |
| 13:00:42 | Nico_P | LinusN: is gradient enabled ? |
| 13:00:48 | Isolinear | Makes it look quite legit. |
| 13:00:57 | pondlife | Llorean: Indeed, hence "side-effect" |
| 13:01:15 | Llorean | Now we need a skinnable list-position bar... |
| 13:01:24 | LinusN | it's "inverse bar" |
| 13:01:55 | novas242001 | guys, ill be back |
| 13:01:57 | Isolinear | The OF scrolling does look a lot smoother however. |
| 13:02:13 | pondlife | LCD update speed maybe? |
| 13:02:22 | Isolinear | It's quicker to respond.. |
| 13:02:37 | Llorean | My Nano responds instantly in Rockbox |
| 13:02:41 | GodEater_ | preglow: still no random powers ups by the way |
| 13:02:44 | Llorean | I'm a little unclear how much faster you can get than "Now" |
| 13:02:57 | LinusN | the inverse bar lags quite a lot |
| 13:02:57 | Isolinear | Llorean: Did you alter any settings in the patch? |
| 13:03:00 | Llorean | No |
| 13:03:02 | Isolinear | I was using it at default. |
| 13:03:05 | * | novas242001 waves bubbye to Llorean, GodEater_ and markun |
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| 13:03:44 | Llorean | pondlife: I think the OF also draws the bar between entries, not just on entries, so that might be what makes it look smoother |
| 13:04:06 | Isolinear | That'd make a difference. |
| 13:04:22 | linuxstb | GodEater_: What's "alphabet mode" ? |
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| 13:04:40 | Llorean | linuxstb: Scrolls by letter rather than by entry, so 26 positions. |
| 13:04:49 | Llorean | Well, a max of 36 I suppose. |
| 13:05:14 | linuxstb | Llorean: That's on all ipods? |
| 13:05:36 | Llorean | I don't think I've seen it on anything but one I handled in a store once. |
| 13:05:38 | GodEater_ | yeah, when you get to hi-speed in the OF, it starts flashing an enormous letter of the alphabet in the middle of the screen |
| 13:05:41 | Llorean | I've never had a long list on my Nano to check |
| 13:05:43 | Isolinear | Can anyone think of a way to create a massive scrollable list in OF with my 5G without installing iTunes? |
| 13:05:54 | amiconn | Llorean: How would that work with non-latin scripts? |
| 13:05:55 | Llorean | Isolinear: Notes folder |
| 13:05:56 | GodEater_ | Isolinear: not really no |
| 13:06:04 | * | GodEater_ stands corrected |
| 13:06:06 | Llorean | amiconn: I suppose it'll use all available characters in the iPod font, I guess. |
| 13:06:20 | Isolinear | I think I deleted that folder... lol |
| 13:06:24 | Isolinear | Please instruct. |
| 13:06:39 | Llorean | Isolinear: I believe if you make a folder named "Notes" in the root, and populate it with .txt files, they'll show up in the OF |
| 13:06:46 | linuxstb | GodEater_: That sounds like a new (maybe 5g/5.5g only) feature - I can't recall ever seeing that on my ipod Color. |
| 13:06:50 | Isolinear | Will do. |
| 13:06:56 | Llorean | So you can just make a script to touch aaa.txt through zzz.txt or some such |
| 13:07:06 | GodEater_ | linuxstb: did you ever upgrade the OF on your color ? |
| 13:07:43 | linuxstb | GodEater_: Yes, but maybe I didn't test scrolling on a recent version. |
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| 13:07:49 | Llorean | linuxstb, GodEater_: For something similar in Rockbox, we could have an option to scroll the bar, rather than in the list, somehow. |
| 13:08:09 | GodEater_ | I need a clearer explanation of what you mean there |
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| 13:08:17 | Llorean | Much like grabbing a scrollbar in a graphical OS, as I think JdGordon was working on making the scrollbar usable in such a way for the touchscreen ports |
| 13:09:21 | GodEater_ | oh I see |
| 13:09:37 | Nico_P | Llorean: it was almost working last time I tried it |
| 13:09:41 | Nico_P | quite nice |
| 13:09:51 | preglow | GodEater_: good news |
| 13:09:52 | Llorean | GodEater_: We have paged scrolling on some targets. |
| 13:09:58 | LinusN | i wonder why the file browser is so much slower than the menus on the G5 |
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| 13:10:49 | linuxstb | LinusN: There used to be a bug where the LCD was updated more times than necessary in the file browser, but not in the menus - maybe it's returned... Adding some DEBUGF()s to the lcd_update() function in the sim is an easy way to test for that. |
| 13:12:12 | GodEater_ | Llorean: I know - I use it on my H140 |
| 13:12:23 | preglow | GodEater_: people in the forum sure seem to shut up, though |
| 13:12:31 | preglow | you touched your alarm, so i'd be more interested in hearing from them |
| 13:12:33 | GodEater_ | preglow: they're bloody useless |
| 13:12:41 | LinusN | the #7738 patch is certainly an improvement |
| 13:12:44 | preglow | well, i don't care anyway |
| 13:12:52 | preglow | if no one complains, i'll assume we're all happy and smiling |
| 13:13:14 | preglow | LinusN: agreed |
| 13:13:19 | preglow | anything you'd like to see improved? |
| 13:13:23 | Llorean | GodEater_: I was thinking maybe there could be a way to actually toggle scroll modes, so one could scroll by entry, by page, or using the bar (by percentage, I suppose) |
| 13:13:38 | Llorean | Though it may only be useful for exceptionally long lists, people seem to want to have them. |
| 13:13:39 | Isolinear | Very nice idea. |
| 13:13:40 | * | GodEater_ does "for i in `seq 1 1800`;do touch $i.txt;done" in his notes folder to test in the OF |
| 13:13:49 | LinusN | preglow: hard to tell, since the scroll is lagging so much :-) |
| 13:13:57 | preglow | right, 5g... |
| 13:14:26 | GodEater_ | well "alphabet modes" doesn't kick in there |
| 13:14:34 | GodEater_ | at least not with numerically named files |
| 13:14:38 | Llorean | LinusN: Is dircache on or off? I know that it should only affect things when the disk spins down, but every now and then people recommend it as a solution for a "laggy UI" and other people respond that it worked. |
| 13:14:57 | Llorean | I've always assumed that they meant "laggy" as in "entering folders when the disk has spun down" but it's always possible it's otherwise. |
| 13:15:01 | GodEater_ | also the Notes feature in OF supports only 1000 entries |
| 13:15:19 | Llorean | GodEater: It tells you this, or it just cuts off? |
| 13:15:31 | Isolinear | lol |
| 13:15:33 | GodEater_ | it just cuts off |
| 13:15:41 | Isolinear | Do you really need that many notes? :P |
| 13:15:55 | GodEater_ | you're the one with the 1800 entry playlist |
| 13:16:06 | Isolinear | Yeah, that's music. |
| 13:16:12 | LinusN | Llorean: same thing with dircache on :-( |
| 13:16:14 | GodEater_ | what's the difference ? |
| 13:16:19 | Isolinear | If I need to write down 1800 notes I buy a notebook... :P |
| 13:16:26 | GodEater_ | we're testing scroll speed here |
| 13:16:37 | Isolinear | I needed 60GB of music so I bought an iPod.. ;) |
| 13:16:43 | GodEater_ | I fail to see how it makes any difference what sort of list I'm scrolling through |
| 13:16:45 | Llorean | LinusN: Alright, it seemed a long shot but. |
| 13:16:56 | Isolinear | I know, I'm just givin' you crap.. :) |
| 13:19:58 | GodEater_ | christ - that gradient feature REALLY slows down the scrolling |
| 13:20:23 | * | amiconn didn't notice a slowdown, but disabled it anyway after checking it out |
| 13:20:27 | Llorean | I've only tested it on my Gigabeat, so not really a fair test. |
| 13:21:01 | GodEater_ | hmm |
| 13:21:08 | amiconn | It either looks crap or hampers readability |
| 13:21:10 | GodEater_ | actually that may not be a true statement |
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| 13:21:22 | Jeusek | heyhey |
| 13:21:26 | GodEater_ | it seems my first test must have been while the cpu was boosted |
| 13:21:33 | * | amiconn uses a sigle colour selector now (on one of his very few colour targets) |
| 13:21:37 | GodEater_ | as switch back to "Inverse" hasn't improved matters |
| 13:21:42 | LinusN | yeah, the gradient makes it even slower on the 5g |
| 13:22:07 | Jeusek | I said heyhey then youre supposed to say: hey Jeusek welcome |
| 13:23:08 | Jeusek | I dont feel wecome :( |
| 13:23:12 | LinusN | GodEater_: i just had the same experience, it wasn't really that much slower |
| 13:23:16 | Jeusek | ill go cut myself now |
| 13:23:20 | GodEater_ | no much no |
| 13:23:21 | GodEater_ | *not |
| 13:23:32 | GodEater_ | but once the cpu is boosted it's fine |
| 13:23:38 | GodEater_ | not much to notice |
| 13:23:43 | preglow | seriously, what's up with these people we're getting in here now? |
| 13:23:53 | GodEater_ | lord knows |
| 13:23:58 | Jeusek | lol im just bored, Im at work |
| 13:23:59 | Llorean | GodEater_: Yeah the gradient seems to reduce responsiveness slightly on my Nano. |
| 13:24:06 | preglow | Jeusek: go be bored somewhere else |
| 13:24:55 | Isolinear | Anyone know offhand the refresh rate of the 5G LCD? |
| 13:24:58 | preglow | Llorean: i wouldn't expect calcing a new colour to be THAT slow |
| 13:25:16 | Jeusek | lol I got a ipod 5g can I run both rockbox and ipodlinux? |
| 13:25:31 | LinusN | yes |
| 13:25:41 | Jeusek | sweet Ill do it when I get home |
| 13:25:50 | Llorean | preglow: It only slowed down my Nano slightly. I wouldn't expect it to have to calculate anything after you've left the options for it? |
| 13:26:00 | Llorean | We shouldn't recalculate the gradient every update. |
| 13:26:30 | preglow | you need to recalc colours on each line of the gradient |
| 13:26:35 | Llorean | Why? |
| 13:26:38 | preglow | just saying that shouldn't exactly slow stuff down much |
| 13:26:43 | preglow | well |
| 13:26:48 | Llorean | Can't we calculate them after the two colors are picked, and keep them somewhere? |
| 13:26:48 | preglow | what's the alternative? |
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| 13:27:13 | preglow | what, just statically alloc on array with the max gradient bar size and stuff the colours there? |
| 13:27:25 | Llorean | Max height of the gradient bar, yes. |
| 13:27:25 | preglow | really, calculating them shouldn't be so slow it should matter |
| 13:27:44 | preglow | it's just linear interpolation |
| 13:28:06 | Llorean | Well, the 5G LCD already suffers slow updates though. Wouldn't it make more sense to drop the calculation for a relatively trivial increase in RAM usage instead? |
| 13:28:30 | amiconn | The recalculation is neglectible compared to the additional drawing |
| 13:28:32 | Llorean | I mean with fast scrolling, you're moving the list 200 times a second or so. |
| 13:28:38 | preglow | like i'm saying, the point is that the calculation should be trivial |
| 13:28:55 | Llorean | Alright. My point is just "Trivial" isn't the same as "Zero" :) |
| 13:29:08 | preglow | if we're actually redrawing the screen 200 times a second, we're doinmg something, very, very wrong |
| 13:29:36 | Nico_P | Llorean: the calculation is actually a decrementation and shifts |
| 13:29:39 | Llorean | preglow: We'll be redrawing the text on top of the gradient as many times as we can force it to a second, won't we? |
| 13:29:50 | Isolinear | I'm testing the theory of the OF drawing more than one scroll line at a time for a smoother appearance... |
| 13:30:01 | preglow | Llorean: i'd rather expect we skipped a number of items without actually drawing them, anything else is just wrong |
| 13:30:37 | Isolinear | My dSLR camera set at 1/800 of a second exposure captured two scroll lines being drawn at once. |
| 13:30:50 | Nico_P | Llorean: I expect drawing the lines is the costly operation, not calculating their colour |
| 13:30:58 | preglow | oh yes |
| 13:31:04 | preglow | but |
| 13:31:13 | preglow | if the gradient bar actually slows stuff down, i'm sure something is wrong with the code |
| 13:31:20 | preglow | it really shouldn't be noticable |
| 13:31:22 | Llorean | preglow: I don't know if we skip or not, but if we do it doesn't *look* like we skip many |
| 13:31:25 | Nico_P | preglow: the gradient code ? |
| 13:31:34 | preglow | Nico_P: well, that'd be the only new part of the code |
| 13:31:55 | Nico_P | preglow: drawing a bunch of lines is probably slower than drawing a rectangl |
| 13:31:59 | Llorean | On my Nano, the change from enabling the gradient bar is small enough that it might be placebo effect. |
| 13:32:26 | amiconn | preglow: It sure is slower because of the additional drawing |
| 13:32:35 | preglow | Nico_P: is it? drawing a rectangle is the same as drawing a bunch of lines, no? just a ton of memset16 |
| 13:33:07 | preglow | amiconn: additional drawing? |
| 13:33:08 | amiconn | The inverse bar just uses DRMODE_INVERSEVID to draw the text. Coloured/gradient bar first draws the background, then draws the text on top of that |
| 13:33:20 | Nico_P | I don't know, I figured the rectangle was more optimised or something |
| 13:33:40 | Nico_P | and there's what amiconn says too :) |
| 13:33:41 | amiconn | Rectangle and horizontal line are almost equally optimised |
| 13:33:49 | Nico_P | oh good then |
| 13:34:06 | amiconn | But the solid colour bar can be optimised to be faster than the inverse bar |
| 13:34:20 | amiconn | The gradient, however, cannot. |
| 13:34:29 | Nico_P | preglow: look at the code, the only thing other than drawing the line in the main loop is 3 decrementations |
| 13:34:32 | petur | doesn't INVERSEVID also have to erase the background first? |
| 13:34:39 | Nico_P | there's the RGBPACK marco call too... |
| 13:34:43 | LinusN | the sim only does one lcd_update_rect() per cursor movement |
| 13:34:45 | amiconn | petur: nope |
| 13:35:27 | Nico_P | amiconn: have you looked at the gradient drawing func ? |
| 13:35:39 | amiconn | petur: Precisely, it uses DRMODE_FG|DRMODE_INVERSEVID, which draws background pixels with the foreground colour and leaves foreground pixels alone |
| 13:35:53 | LinusN | but it could get away with a lot smaller rect though, if it kept track of what was actually changed on screen |
| 13:35:55 | amiconn | It's almost exactly the same speed as plain DRMODE_FG |
| 13:36:15 | Nico_P | LinusN: I think TP diffenback posted a patch for that |
| 13:36:19 | amiconn | LinusN: Afaik the list code does that (ask Slasheri) |
| 13:36:36 | preglow | yeah, i think it does |
| 13:36:42 | preglow | anyway, me bbl |
| 13:36:52 | amiconn | Of course line-by-line-scrolling always has to refresh the whole lcd |
| 13:36:55 | LinusN | i thought the file browser used the list code |
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| 13:37:38 | Nico_P | I found it ! FS #5591. It was closed as out of date though |
| 13:37:38 | amiconn | LinusN: yes |
| 13:37:56 | amiconn | Still, line-by-line scrolling *does* change the whole lcd |
| 13:38:49 | LinusN | ah, now i see, the file browser does it correctly, i.e only redraws the changed portions |
| 13:39:09 | LinusN | amiconn is right as usual |
| 13:39:54 | Nico_P | LinusN: the file browser or the list code ? |
| 13:40:47 | LinusN | both |
| 13:40:59 | Nico_P | hmm yes I see now |
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| 13:42:21 | Isolinear | So is 7738 getting committed? |
| 13:43:06 | Llorean | Does the acceleration work universally, or just in lists? |
| 13:43:09 | * | Llorean goes to try the EQ |
| 13:43:52 | Isolinear | I think it's useful enough to be committed now and any changes can always be made later. |
| 13:44:02 | jhMikeS | Llorean: it's up to the scrollwheel user. it's not just imposed on everything. |
| 13:44:29 | LinusN | jhMikeS: define "user" in this case |
| 13:44:55 | Isolinear | Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee... |
| 13:44:57 | Isolinear | :P |
| 13:44:57 | Llorean | LinusN: I assume, "Whatever's being scrolled" |
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| 13:45:07 | LinusN | in my world, the user is the one with his finger on the scroll wheel |
| 13:45:11 | Llorean | Same here. |
| 13:45:32 | jhMikeS | LinusN: anything processing the messages from the scrollwheel. if it wants to use acceration, it may just call button_apply_acceleration to get the accelerated delta. |
| 13:45:54 | jhMikeS | ok, "data consumer" ;P |
| 13:45:59 | LinusN | :-) |
| 13:46:07 | Llorean | I think the EQ could use some Acceleration loving. |
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| 13:46:48 | LinusN | is the lcd update equally slow in the OF on the 5G? |
| 13:47:27 | * | LinusN can't test without doing a full restore :-/ |
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| 13:48:15 | Llorean | Isn't our slow LCD updates due to our restricted knowledge of the broadcom doodad? |
| 13:48:44 | linuxstb | LinusN: What did you do that needs a full restore? |
| 13:49:11 | LinusN | can't remember, when i try to boot the of it tells me that i have to restore |
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| 13:49:28 | LinusN | maybe i can get away with a clever dd |
| 13:49:36 | linuxstb | LinusN: That should be fixable without a reformat/restore - see IpodManualRestore |
| 13:49:37 | Llorean | LinusN: Or "ipodpatcher -wf" |
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| 13:50:25 | Arathis | I'm trying to build a voice-file for my player, but when I select "v" in the configure script it just says "Voice build selected" and won't go any further. Is it broken? |
| 13:50:38 | Llorean | Arathis: Then just hit enter again |
| 13:50:51 | Llorean | You hit enter without typing anything to "finish" making your Advanced build selections |
| 13:51:48 | Arathis | regarding the wiki there should come further selections about language and engines so I thought they might come directly after selecting vioce build |
| 13:51:52 | Arathis | *voice |
| 13:52:23 | Arathis | thanks Llorean |
| 13:52:30 | Llorean | It's the standard advanced build procedure, they don't show up until you're done with picking advanced options |
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| 13:56:38 | LinusN | linuxstb: can i use -wf to write a firmware file from http://www.felixbruns.de/iPod/firmware/? |
| 13:56:41 | Arathis | any recommendations about the TTS engine? |
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| 13:57:08 | Llorean | Arathis: If you're on linux, espeak with the mbrola voices (requires a small amount of hacking) |
| 13:57:11 | novas242001 | hello |
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| 13:57:29 | Arathis | Llorean: what do you mean by hacking? |
| 13:57:35 | novas242001 | Why are the text in my RockBox so tiny? |
| 13:57:45 | Arathis | Llorean: I'm running sidux right now |
| 13:57:47 | linuxstb | LinusN: No. -wf modifies the firmware inside the partition. The files from there are just dumps of the entire partition. |
| 13:58:17 | linuxstb | I think the -w option in ipodpatcher writes the entire partition. |
| 13:58:24 | GodEater_ | novas242001: because you've either : Not installed the font pack, or not installed any other themes |
| 13:58:44 | linuxstb | or c) Not selected a new font or theme |
| 13:58:52 | Llorean | Arathis: You have to modify the commandline for espeak that it invokes in voice.pl, it's a one-line change |
| 13:59:28 | Arathis | Llorean: if you could help me with that it shouldn't be a big problem :) |
| 13:59:48 | novas242001 | Ok. Thank you GodEater_. You really are something to this room. |
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| 14:00:09 | GodEater_ | haha - hardly! |
| 14:00:28 | GodEater_ | novas242001: catch me in a bad mood, and then see if you still feel the same |
| 14:00:28 | * | novas242001 taps Llorean and hints him about his improved english. |
| 14:00:39 | Arathis | Llorean: "on line" means while compiling or while executing? |
| 14:01:07 | Arathis | if it's while executing I'd install it with apt-get first |
| 14:01:10 | Llorean | Arathis: The espeak page has instructions for using the mbrola voice. Then you just change the espeak line in voice.pl to: |
| 14:01:10 | Llorean | $cmd = "espeak $tts_engine_opts -v mb-us1 | mbrola -e /home/llorean/voice/us1/us1 - $output"; |
| 14:01:16 | novas242001 | Thats obvious. You are a human being. So am I. So is everyone. |
| 14:01:26 | linuxstb | logbot isn't... |
| 14:01:27 | Llorean | Where of course the folder is where you've actually put your espeak voices. |
| 14:03:07 | amiconn | Llorean: Shouldn't it be possible to select the mbrola stuff by entering the appropriate TTS engine options when configuring? |
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| 14:03:15 | * | novas242001 is amused with linuxstb wittyness.... |
| 14:03:18 | amiconn | That's exactly what the TTS options are for... |
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| 14:03:40 | Llorean | amiconn: If you'll notice it pipes to the mbrola executable, and the mbrola executable actually takes the option for the output file |
| 14:04:18 | amiconn | weird method... |
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| 14:04:22 | Llorean | Yes. |
| 14:04:25 | GodEater_ | LinusN: I've just updated my build to svn + latest version of 7738 |
| 14:04:29 | GodEater_ | it's horrendous |
| 14:04:33 | Llorean | espeak just generates the phonemes, and mbrola speaks them |
| 14:04:48 | Llorean | Assuming "phonemes" is the right word and I didn't just make it up |
| 14:05:06 | Llorean | Anyway, it'd be better served as its own TTS engine option, I guess. |
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| 14:05:11 | LinusN | GodEater: really? |
| 14:05:16 | GodEater_ | yeah |
| 14:05:26 | GodEater_ | I can barely scroll at all in the file browser |
| 14:05:38 | GodEater_ | database and other menus are unaffected |
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| 14:06:55 | LinusN | GodEater: it is equally horrible without 7738 |
| 14:07:00 | GodEater_ | however, clearing settings appears to fix it |
| 14:07:04 | LinusN | ahaaa |
| 14:07:42 | * | LinusN tries to use rbutilqt to reinstall the bootloader but fails |
| 14:07:43 | GodEater_ | wonder what the heck in the settings is causing that then |
| 14:08:15 | Llorean | GodEater_: If you haven't triggered a settings save yet, browse to config.cfg, and open 'er up. |
| 14:08:15 | LinusN | "No Ipods found" |
| 14:08:52 | * | GodEater_ has reloaded his settings from his custom one |
| 14:08:58 | GodEater_ | this didn't appear to break it |
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| 14:09:29 | GodEater_ | however turning gradient selector back on |
| 14:09:37 | GodEater_ | and reloading a different them HAS caused it to come back |
| 14:09:46 | GodEater_ | I have another odd behaviour too though |
| 14:09:54 | GodEater_ | the backdrop is only drawing down as far as the bottom of the list |
| 14:10:01 | GodEater_ | after that, the screen is pure white |
| 14:10:36 | linuxstb | LinusN: Are you on Windows? |
| 14:10:43 | LinusN | yes |
| 14:11:07 | linuxstb | LinusN: Lots of people seem to be reporting that - but ipodpatcher works fine. I don't know if the reason has been found yet. |
| 14:12:36 | GodEater_ | http://pastebin.ca/721610 |
| 14:12:44 | GodEater_ | .cfg file which is causing the issue |
| 14:12:46 | LinusN | ipodpatcher worked fine |
| 14:14:49 | LinusN | GodEater: i reset the settings, then reloaded my theme (Pen&Paper), and the sluggishness is there |
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| 14:16:17 | Arathis | Llorean: does espeak need jackd running? |
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| 14:18:16 | Llorean | Arathis: Don't know. |
| 14:18:33 | Arathis | :/ |
| 14:19:23 | Arathis | it wants to install it, but though I'm new to sidux (just running it in virtual box for testing reasons atm) I don't know if it has a realtime kernel or not |
| 14:19:50 | Nico_P | GodEater_: so you were using the gradient fine, and then an update made it sluggish ? |
| 14:20:02 | GodEater_ | yes |
| 14:20:17 | * | Nico_P suspects dionoea's changes |
| 14:20:25 | GodEater_ | but only in the file browser |
| 14:20:31 | GodEater_ | it's fine everywhere else |
| 14:20:46 | * | Nico_P trys an update |
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| 14:22:00 | amiconn | LinusN: The "since 4 weeks" list doesn't know eigma's real name, unlike the frontpage & recent list |
| 14:22:41 | LinusN | aha, i'll kick bagder for that :-) |
| 14:22:46 | * | linuxstb takes the opportunity to mention the timezone differences again |
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| 14:24:25 | kimala | HI, ANYONE AS TRIED TO INSTALL THE ROCKBOX FIRMWARE ON THE NEW NANO FATTY? |
| 14:24:38 | kimala | HI, ANYONE AS TRIED TO INSTALL THE ROCKBOX FIRMWARE ON THE NEW NANO FATTY? |
| 14:24:43 | LinusN | NO |
| 14:24:44 | LinusN | NO |
| 14:24:53 | kimala | IS POSSIBLE? |
| 14:25:00 | LinusN | IT WON'T WORK |
| 14:25:10 | Isolinear | WHAT? |
| 14:25:14 | * | LinusN gets a headache from the screaming |
| 14:25:26 | Isolinear | TURN DOWN YOUR HEARING AID |
| 14:25:32 | LinusN | lol |
| 14:25:36 | kimala | the rockbox firmware on the new nano fatty.. |
| 14:25:50 | Nico_P | ...won't work |
| 14:25:56 | LinusN | no, rockbox doesn't work on the latest generation ipods |
| 14:25:58 | kimala | have you tried? |
| 14:26:05 | linuxstb | kimala: The new ipods are completely new hardware designs, so require completely new Rockbox ports, which no-one is working on. |
| 14:26:14 | kimala | fuck |
| 14:26:15 | Nico_P | yeah, why haven't we tried ? :p |
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| 14:26:43 | kimala | i want ipod linux.....but it seem impossible at moment |
| 14:26:52 | Isolinear | Shoot man, I totally forgot to port Rockbox to the 6G iPods! |
| 14:26:55 | Isolinear | Whoops.. |
| 14:27:08 | Isolinear | Lemme just do that real quick. |
| 14:27:18 | Llorean | kimala: Rockbox isn't iPod Linux. |
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| 14:27:36 | kimala | yes...but with rockbox i can install ipod linux |
| 14:27:58 | Llorean | No, Rockbox and iPod Linux are two completely separate programs |
| 14:28:06 | Llorean | iPod Linux would need to be ported, just like Rockbox would need to be. |
| 14:28:12 | kimala | :-( |
| 14:28:16 | Isolinear | But with Windows Vista, I can install Redhat! |
| 14:28:20 | Nico_P | GodEater_: by any chance, do you know which version you updated from ? |
| 14:28:54 | kimala | ok, but the port never comes untile some one decrypt the aple firmware.. |
| 14:29:11 | kimala | 10 years? |
| 14:29:20 | Isolinear | Tie the firmware to a chair... |
| 14:29:20 | Llorean | kimala: Exactly. Feel free to work on decrypting it if you own one. |
| 14:29:28 | Isolinear | And torture it for all the secrets. |
| 14:29:34 | DefineByte | Regarding the manual: Are there currently any macros to use for PC Keyboard input, like there is for player input? I haven't spotted anything in preamble.tex. |
| 14:29:55 | markun_ | kimala: talk about porting rockbox to the ipod classic: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12497.0 |
| 14:30:02 | Llorean | DefineByte: Why are those needed? |
| 14:30:44 | DefineByte | For the installation section |
| 14:31:01 | Llorean | What keyboard input needs macros? |
| 14:31:04 | DefineByte | key-presses are currently formatted the same as everything else |
| 14:31:30 | DefineByte | i, enter. for the rbutil section |
| 14:31:48 | DefineByte | or should they just be formatted inline? |
| 14:31:59 | Llorean | Probably, if they're going to be. |
| 14:32:17 | DefineByte | Dodn't you think they should be then? |
| 14:32:39 | DefineByte | shouldn't they appear the same as player button presses? |
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| 14:33:34 | Llorean | I don't think it particularly matters whether they are or aren't. |
| 14:33:42 | dionoea | Nico_P: yesterday's changes to the line selector drawing code didn't add (or remove) any code complexity. So I doubt that they could have any noticeable impact on the code's performance (unless you can spot an extra binary and's execution time) |
| 14:34:06 | Nico_P | dionoea: yes, looking at the changes I realised that |
| 14:34:54 | DefineByte | It would make things clearer I think :) |
| 14:35:03 | Nico_P | there must be something though.... |
| 14:35:21 | Nico_P | I didn't see any change on my gigabeat, but it's a gigabeat |
| 14:35:27 | Llorean | DefineByte: I don't think I've met anyone who didn't know what to press, just people who didn't read at all. |
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| 14:35:54 | DefineByte | Right, but it can't hurt to make things more obvious :) |
| 14:36:07 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. It seems that every time I connect my GigabeatF20 to USB, it forgets the time and date |
| 14:36:15 | dionoea | GodEater_: are you sure that it's really slower ? (If yes, could you try pinpointing the faulty commit?) |
| 14:36:20 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out please? |
| 14:36:23 | Llorean | Dark_Apostrophe: With which SVN revision? |
| 14:36:38 | Nico_P | GodEater_: do you use colours in the file browser ? |
| 14:36:43 | Dark_Apostrophe | It says version: |
| 14:36:58 | DefineByte | oh and, anyone know how screen readers would handle 'ENTER'? Would they spell it out? |
| 14:37:01 | Dark_Apostrophe | r14811-070921 |
| 14:37:17 | Llorean | Dark_Apostrophe: That's ten days old, for one. |
| 14:37:28 | Llorean | We do ask that you be up to date when reporting things. |
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| 14:37:34 | Dark_Apostrophe | I didn't plan to upgrade the firmware every day :o |
| 14:37:39 | Nico_P | dionoea: looking at GodEater_'s config file, I see file coulours http://pastebin.ca/721610 |
| 14:37:45 | DefineByte | The 'enter' key is currently in the manual as 'ENTER' which doesn't seem the best idea. |
| 14:37:47 | Nico_P | that might be a problem |
| 14:37:51 | markun_ | Dark_Apostrophe: no, but it's a good idea to upgrade before you report a problem |
| 14:37:54 | Llorean | Dark_Apostrophe: Doesn't matter what you plan, if you experience a bug, confirm it exists with the current version. |
| 14:38:19 | dionoea | Nico_P: is that standard rockbox? |
| 14:38:26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, I'll have to do that when I get home from work ten |
| 14:38:27 | Dark_Apostrophe | ten* |
| 14:38:28 | Nico_P | dionoea: yes |
| 14:38:30 | Dark_Apostrophe | then* |
| 14:38:31 | Dark_Apostrophe | argh |
| 14:38:35 | dionoea | ah, nice. Didn't know about it |
| 14:38:36 | Dark_Apostrophe | I'm leaving in half an hour |
| 14:38:48 | markun_ | Dark_Apostrophe: well, I can upgrade and see if I get the same problem |
| 14:39:29 | DefineByte | No-one here uses a screen reader? Ah well. :) |
| 14:39:31 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok... |
| 14:39:38 | markun_ | Llorean: do you know if ogg vorbis is still broken on the gigabeat? |
| 14:39:49 | Nico_P | dionoea: what DAP do you have ? |
| 14:40:07 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun_: I used it yesterday |
| 14:40:20 | Dark_Apostrophe | And I have r14811-070921 |
| 14:40:22 | dionoea | Nico_P: video ipod (and archos recorder v1) |
| 14:40:45 | markun_ | Dark_Apostrophe: the problems were reported last week I believe |
| 14:40:50 | Nico_P | dionoea: do you have this sluggishness on your video ? |
| 14:41:02 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun_: Oh. Then I'll refrain from upgrading |
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| 14:41:11 | Dark_Apostrophe | markun_: Ogg vorbis is more important to me than the clock :p |
| 14:41:12 | markun_ | Dark_Apostrophe: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12980.0 |
| 14:41:19 | dionoea | I didn't compare. Let me check. |
| 14:41:21 | Llorean | markun_: No clue, unfortunately. I seem to have audio on it in basically every format *but* Vorbis. |
| 14:41:46 | markun_ | Llorean: for me it's pretty much the other way around |
| 14:42:21 | Llorean | markun_: Most everything I've encoded from CD is lossless, and most music that artists give away seems to be MP3 for compatibility. |
| 14:42:29 | Llorean | All my vorbis is on my flash based players. |
| 14:42:44 | dionoea | Nico_P: i don't see any noticeable speed difference between invert and gradient. |
| 14:43:03 | Nico_P | hmm |
| 14:43:14 | markun_ | my CDs are lossless and I've encoded them to Ogg Vorbis for my PC and DAP |
| 14:43:32 | markun_ | Llorean: but this is more something for #rockbox-community I think |
| 14:44:11 | Nico_P | dionoea: the problems godeater were describing look like the bug I fixed with file coulours |
| 14:44:21 | Nico_P | s/were/was |
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| 14:54:13 | markun_ | Dark_Apostrophe: just finished compiling. I'll let you know if I can reproduce any of the bugs. |
| 14:54:32 | JdGordon | zzz.... booorreed |
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| 14:56:13 | Nico_P | JdGordon: did you make any progress on the scrollbar dragging for the mouse interface compared to the latest patch in the wiki ? |
| 14:56:23 | markun_ | Dark_Apostrophe: crash when playing ogg vorbis :( |
| 14:56:33 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: not just me either, LinusN too |
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| 14:56:58 | JdGordon | Nico_P: the wiki is the latest.. the scrollbar works reasonably well now i think |
| 14:57:06 | Nico_P | GodEater_: could you please try without using file colours ? |
| 14:57:18 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I had some jumpiness IIRC |
| 14:57:55 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: ok one sec |
| 14:58:04 | Nico_P | JdGordon: I think the patch needs syncing too |
| 14:58:33 | GodEater_ | anyone know how to set no file colours |
| 14:58:46 | Nico_P | GodEater_: I think you need to edit the config file |
| 14:58:50 | JdGordon | yeah, itll be resynced soon... |
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| 14:59:13 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: nvm. I've just loaded my custom config |
| 14:59:27 | GodEater_ | oh no - that didn't do it either |
| 14:59:30 | GodEater_ | darn it |
| 14:59:34 | GodEater_ | one sec again ;) |
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| 15:01:37 | LinusN | GodEater: i haven't seen the backdrop bug you're describing, only the sluggishness |
| 15:02:09 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: clearing the file colours setting from my config file appears initially to have fixed it |
| 15:02:21 | Nico_P | "initially" ? |
| 15:02:40 | Nico_P | GodEater_: the backdrop bug you described is weird too... it should have been fixed |
| 15:02:49 | Nico_P | LinusN: did you use the gradient before ? |
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| 15:02:57 | LinusN | no |
| 15:03:15 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: said "initially" because I wanted to try what brought it back again before |
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| 15:03:25 | Nico_P | ok |
| 15:03:48 | Nico_P | GodEater_: and by "fixed", do you mean the sluggishness too ? |
| 15:04:07 | GodEater_ | yeah, there's now no sign of backdrop bug |
| 15:04:22 | GodEater_ | or the painfully slow scrolling |
| 15:04:33 | GodEater_ | so would seem to be something in the filecolour stuff |
| 15:05:36 | Nico_P | GodEater_: would you mind trying r14891 to see if the file colours are a problem ? |
| 15:09:16 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: will do (on a conf. call at the moment though so might be a bit slow). For reference, I just edited the .cfg file I was using, and uncommented the filecolour line, then reloaded it. The problem came back instantly. |
| 15:09:52 | Nico_P | yeah, it seems it's definitely related to file colours |
| 15:10:20 | Nico_P | maybe a couple themes could make the testing process easier |
| 15:11:31 | GodEater_ | checking out that revision now |
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| 15:16:00 | markun_ | Llorean, Dark_Apostrophe: I can confirm that indeed tomal's commit broke vorbis on the gigabeat |
| 15:16:23 | Llorean | markun_: Odd that it works on other ARM targets (in theory) then, I imagine. |
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| 15:17:15 | markun_ | yes, I'm trying to narrow down which part of the commit broke it |
| 15:17:51 | preglow | markun_: i had some weirdness with ogg now just an hour ago... |
| 15:18:05 | preglow | a couple of files started glitching for no reason |
| 15:18:41 | preglow | really smoothly as well, sounded like something went wrong before the imdct |
| 15:19:10 | markun_ | preglow: I now compiled with only the mdct optimizations: no crash |
| 15:19:25 | preglow | my guess is the codebook thing |
| 15:19:59 | donsdw | Is this normal: Sansa e200. I'm connected via USB and my screen says "Writing". It's been like this for over thirty minutes. |
| 15:20:16 | krazykit | donsdw, yeah, as long as you remove it safely, it's fine |
| 15:20:28 | donsdw | I did add a directory and move some mp3 files into it. |
| 15:20:32 | markun_ | preglow: will be my next test |
| 15:20:46 | donsdw | autocreate bookmarks: on |
| 15:20:46 | donsdw | autoload bookmarks: on |
| 15:20:46 | donsdw | use most-recent-bookmarks: on |
| 15:20:46 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK donsdw |
| 15:20:46 | donsdw | sort files: oldest |
| 15:20:48 | donsdw | autocreate bookmarks: on |
| 15:20:48 | donsdw | autoload bookmarks: on |
| 15:20:49 | donsdw | use most-recent-bookmarks: on |
| 15:20:51 | donsdw | sort files: oldest |
| 15:20:53 | donsdw | autocreate bookmarks: on |
| 15:20:53 | krazykit | donsdw, don't spam |
| 15:20:55 | donsdw | autoload bookmarks: on |
| 15:20:57 | donsdw | use most-recent-bookmarks: on |
| 15:20:59 | donsdw | sort files: oldest |
| 15:20:59 | markun_ | preglow: oops, did the test wrong :( |
| 15:21:02 | donsdw | oops |
| 15:21:12 | preglow | markun_: what kind of error? |
| 15:21:18 | donsdw | sorry, new to mirc and screwed up |
| 15:21:19 | markun_ | data abort |
| 15:21:27 | preglow | probably alignment error, then |
| 15:21:31 | krazykit | anyway, you just need to use "safely remove hardware". i must be off now. |
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| 15:22:46 | GodEater_ | revision has finished building |
| 15:22:49 | GodEater_ | just installing it now |
| 15:23:06 | donsdw | krazykit: What I mean is: should I let it keep writing, or should I disconnect? In other words is it normal to "write" for a half hour? |
| 15:23:08 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 15:23:08 | * | Nico_P back in 2 secs |
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| 15:23:18 | pondlife | 1... |
| 15:23:21 | pondlife | 2.... :) |
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| 15:23:44 | morrijr | donsdw: quantify 'some' :) |
| 15:24:15 | donsdw | Hmmmm. About ten three minute mp3s. |
| 15:24:30 | morrijr | file size total? |
| 15:24:32 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: ok - this revision isn't sluggish. I'm going to apply FS7738 to it now though |
| 15:25:08 | Nico_P | GodEater_: ah, so sluggishness might be related to FS #7738 ? |
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| 15:25:20 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: it's possible of course |
| 15:25:22 | GodEater_ | but I don't think so |
| 15:25:25 | GodEater_ | we'll see ;) |
| 15:25:39 | GodEater_ | LinusN said earlier his build was sluggish without it |
| 15:25:40 | Nico_P | I don't see why either |
| 15:25:55 | GodEater_ | but this check will make sure |
| 15:26:38 | donsdw | morrijr: 27mb |
| 15:26:38 | Nico_P | so even with file colours it's ok ? |
| 15:26:51 | GodEater_ | yep |
| 15:27:06 | morrijr | donsdw: wouldn't expect it to take 1/2hr - have you tried to safely eject it? |
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| 15:28:43 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: ok - rebuilt it with 7738 in now |
| 15:28:56 | donsdw | morrijr: No. I just wanted to make sure I had an abnormal situation before disconnecting. I'll disconnect now. Thank you. |
| 15:29:12 | GodEater_ | makes no difference |
| 15:29:17 | GodEater_ | 7738 works fine with that rev |
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| 15:29:49 | Nico_P | hmm so now we need to identify the changes that cause the sluggishness |
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| 15:31:06 | GodEater_ | any windows devs on ? |
| 15:31:27 | GodEater_ | you don't have to admit it in public, PM me :) |
| 15:32:10 | pondlife | haha |
| 15:32:16 | pondlife | I am one of those.. |
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| 15:32:35 | n1s | so anyone against changing the default for "Recursively insert directories" to on? |
| 15:33:14 | markun_ | preglow: it was the imdct after all |
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| 15:34:13 | LinusN | n1s: i'm for it |
| 15:34:26 | petur | nls: would that be 'ask' ? |
| 15:34:40 | Llorean | petur: Recursively insert is separate from "Warn when clearing playlist" |
| 15:35:03 | petur | brb |
| 15:35:05 | Llorean | I kinda doubt there are many applicable situations where you want to insert a folder but not its subfolders though. |
| 15:35:08 | n1s | petur: no ask is a separate setting but we could go with that if we feel it's better |
| 15:35:55 | n1s | hmm, maybe 'ask' is a little friendlier |
| 15:36:15 | Llorean | I think recursive operation is likely to be expected anyway |
| 15:36:20 | LinusN | me too |
| 15:36:24 | Llorean | When you move a folder, you move its subfolders. |
| 15:36:25 | Llorean | Etc, etc. |
| 15:36:31 | n1s | on, on it is :-) |
| 15:36:40 | n1s | s/on/ok |
| 15:36:46 | n1s | but only one of 'em |
| 15:37:05 | amiconn | That's automatic |
| 15:37:17 | amiconn | Otherwise you'd have to write s/on/ok/g |
| 15:37:45 | LinusN | :-P |
| 15:37:58 | n1s | amiconn: my pearl skills are that good :-) |
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| 15:40:51 | n1s | amiconn: have you tested midiplayer lately on any pp target? should be a bit better now, but maybe the MAX_VOICES should be lowered back down to 20 for them |
| 15:41:34 | Zagor | why does logfdump write the log in reverse order? |
| 15:42:37 | |Rain| | I mean to give midiplayer a test today |
| 15:43:04 | n1s | |Rain|: which player? |
| 15:43:38 | animeloe | oh what would be involved in obtaining the serial protocol for the ipod? |
| 15:43:44 | preglow | markun_: why does your commit touch libwma? |
| 15:43:50 | markun_ | preglow: accident |
| 15:44:09 | |Rain| | n1s: e200 port |
| 15:44:33 | markun_ | preglow: shall I fix it by removing the file or committing the rest of my wma change? |
| 15:44:39 | n1s | |Rain|: have you tried it before, and can you build your own builds? |
| 15:45:13 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: weird, running 14938M (with 7738), and the problem isn't there |
| 15:45:26 | |Rain| | n1s: I haven't, and I do |
| 15:45:36 | |Rain| | I'm updating from svn right now |
| 15:46:10 | n1s | |Rain|: ok, when you try it if you get "Buffer miss!" errors could you try lowering the MAX_VOICES in midiutil.h ? |
| 15:46:10 | Nico_P | GodEater_: weird indeed |
| 15:46:22 | |Rain| | n1s: sure |
| 15:46:41 | |Rain| | I have a midi that brings timidity to its knees that I can test with |
| 15:46:58 | preglow | markun_: well, if it doesn't hurt,i don't care too much. what change is it? |
| 15:47:10 | markun_ | preglow: already committed |
| 15:47:24 | preglow | goodie |
| 15:47:26 | markun_ | just moving around some struct defines in the header files |
| 15:47:32 | preglow | any good reason? |
| 15:48:40 | markun_ | to make it easier to replace the mdct |
| 15:48:51 | markun_ | as saratoga also wanted to play with that |
| 15:48:52 | n1s | |Rain|: it's known to have sort of bad performance on pp, I have done a bit of optimizing but has only been able to test on coldfire |
| 15:49:46 | Nico_P | GodEater_: so no sluggishness even with file colours ? |
| 15:49:52 | GodEater_ | nope |
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| 15:50:37 | pixelma | n1s: I tested midplay on the c200 yesterday - only beginning of my midi files (tested 5 or so) are bearable when there are only a few voices, as soon as it gets a bit more complex it starts spitting buffer misses and you can't listen to them (all of these play ok on my M5) |
| 15:51:48 | n1s | pixelma: ok, sounds about right :-), coldfire handles this much better for some reason, it's probably a good idea to drop the MAX_VOICES a bit then |
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| 15:52:42 | n1s | or maybe use that COP for something useful... |
| 15:54:24 | |Rain| | wheeee buffer misses |
| 15:54:43 | |Rain| | not SUPER bad on e200, but I'm definitely gonna play with MAX_VOICES |
| 15:56:39 | n1s | you could also try changing the 10 in line 233 in synth.c to 11, and see if that helps |
| 15:57:16 | Zagor | barrywardell, petur, anyone: do you have any idea why arcotg_udc.[ch] is called, and uses, the udc acronym? the chip docs never mention any such acronym |
| 15:57:53 | barrywardell | usb device controller |
| 15:58:01 | barrywardell | that's for device mode |
| 15:58:28 | amiconn | n1s: "some reason" probably being the sample rate difference... |
| 15:58:31 | barrywardell | as opposed to host controller and otg controller |
| 15:58:45 | n1s | amiconn: ah, riht forgot about that one |
| 15:58:59 | pixelma | n1s: probably the slow lcd updates on the c200 don't make it better... |
| 15:59:18 | amiconn | pixelma: It's like that on mini g2 as well... |
| 15:59:42 | n1s | but it should still be a bit better now on arm i hope, at least if the decay rate and MAX_VOICES are changed back to what they were |
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| 16:00:00 | Zagor | barrywardell: what's dcd then? |
| 16:00:23 | n1s | Bagder: build system seems stuck againg :-/ |
| 16:00:27 | amiconn | Zagor: hanging build (?) |
| 16:00:48 | pondlife | Hmm, LinusN didn't commit the Coldfire bootloader fix? |
| 16:00:51 | barrywardell | Zagor: device controller descriptor? |
| 16:01:13 | Zagor | barrywardell: no, arcotg_dcd.c is the file that does all the actual device driver work |
| 16:01:19 | pondlife | Must be the first of the month... |
| 16:01:27 | Zagor | hence my confusion about the names |
| 16:02:29 | Zagor | I'll try killing the build |
| 16:03:21 | barrywardell | Zagor: I think that's austriancoder's invention - not sure where he got it from |
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| 16:04:08 | |Rain| | heh |
| 16:07:04 | barrywardell | Zagor: arcotg_ucd.[ch] is what the linux driver calls itself for the device mode part. When we added some of the linux driver stuff, we kept the filename. |
| 16:07:15 | |Rain| | with a really evil midi (lots of long-lived voices), I can still manage frequent buffer misses with MAX_VOICES all the way down to 10 (which sounds like crap) and the rate shift at r<<11 |
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| 16:07:47 | |Rain| | maybe trying to do something with the COP is the best bet :/ |
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| 16:25:44 | muszek | hi |
| 16:26:52 | muszek | I've installed rockbox on my iAudio X5 like a year ago (love it, btw) and I thought it's time to upgrade... but can't find anything on upgrading in the manual... any help? |
| 16:28:11 | markun_ | something wrong with the build server? |
| 16:28:47 | GodEater_ | muszek: just download a current build, and unzip it over the top of your old one |
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| 16:29:06 | muszek | GodEater_: thank you. |
| 16:29:19 | GodEater_ | muszek: or use the friendly new RockboxUtility |
| 16:29:28 | pixelma | and maybe delete the old rockbox.iaudio if there still is one in the root of your player |
| 16:30:28 | muszek | GodEater_: cool... any change I'll find Debian/Ubuntu packages somewhere? |
| 16:30:37 | GodEater_ | erm... possibly |
| 16:30:44 | * | GodEater_ hasn't checked the wiki page for a while |
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| 16:31:29 | GodEater_ | muszek: apparently not - but there's a statically linked linux binary |
| 16:31:34 | GodEater_ | just download and run |
| 16:31:35 | muszek | GodEater_: sorry (shouldn't have asked that question w/o looking for couple seconds...) |
| 16:31:41 | bluebrother | hmm, why does the wma codec have typedef'ed and CamelCase'd structs? |
| 16:31:44 | GodEater_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxUtilityQt |
| 16:32:00 | GodEater_ | bluebrother: because that's how it arrived ? |
| 16:32:09 | bluebrother | is this related to the codes origin or are the coding guildelines more relaxed for codecs? |
| 16:32:18 | GodEater_ | codes origin I would imagine |
| 16:32:44 | bluebrother | hmm, ok. Was just wondering ... |
| 16:32:56 | Zagor | wth, build hangs again. bagder needs to look at this. |
| 16:33:09 | Zagor | I have to to go |
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| 16:33:39 | jhMikeS | we can't put WM docs in the datasheets page or something? |
| 16:36:36 | jhMikeS | hmmm...I guess IMPORTANT NOTICE says it's ok |
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| 16:45:42 | muszek | I just erased all music from my 30GB X5... du tells me that everything takes 40MB at the moment, but df says the drive is used in 11% (~3GB). Any idea why and how to fix that? |
| 16:47:42 | markun | muszek: perhaps it has been moved to the trashcan on your player? |
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| 16:48:15 | muszek | markun: nope, there's no trashcan. |
| 16:48:40 | muszek | markun: no hidden folders besides .rockbox |
| 16:49:33 | markun | no idea then |
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| 16:52:50 | bluebrother | maybe it's lost clusters? Have you tried running fsck.vfat? |
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| 16:54:14 | muszek | bluebrother: i'll try fsck, thanks |
| 16:54:59 | bluebrother | you might also want to try chkdsk /f on windows −− from my experience that finds more errors in the filesystem. Others have reported the opposite ... |
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| 16:56:17 | muszek | bluebrother: it's a windows-free zone over here :) |
| 16:56:36 | bluebrother | hehe ;-) Well, I just wanted to note it. Just in case ... |
| 16:56:47 | muszek | I know, thanks |
| 16:58:33 | * | bluebrother prefers working on linux :D |
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| 17:01:25 | muszek | I ran fsck and the space looks all right now... but the only error it did output was something about original and backup bootsector being different (I chose "no action" as opposed to merging one with another or the other way around) |
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| 17:01:40 | muszek | bluebrother: do you happen to know anything about that? |
| 17:02:15 | * | amiconn would think it was the standard issue that the fat32 freecount wasn't updated |
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| 17:03:12 | muszek | amiconn: should I be woried? |
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| 17:10:44 | delYsid | who asked about rbutil to be tested on Windows for accessibility? |
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| 17:12:54 | amiconn | muszek: Not at all. Rockbox can also fix that |
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| 17:13:24 | muszek | amiconn: automagically or I need to do something? |
| 17:14:40 | petur | muszek: System->Rockbox and press play |
| 17:14:53 | petur | it should say 'scanning disk' |
| 17:15:05 | muszek | petur, amiconn: thanks |
| 17:17:46 | bluebrother | delYsid: Domonoky asked for it, and I'm interested in it too. |
| 17:18:31 | delYsid | bluebrother: The friend of mine will post a detailed mail to the mailing list, but the short summary is unfortunately that it talks somewhat, but is effectively unusable. |
| 17:18:47 | bluebrother | I feared that. |
| 17:19:43 | bluebrother | but as it talks at all I'm confident we can improve it. |
| 17:19:47 | delYsid | I didnt do the testing, so I dont have any further details... :-( |
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| 17:20:21 | delYsid | I can paste you his email if you want to get in touch with him. |
| 17:20:44 | bluebrother | posting the results to the mailing list is a good way. I guess we can get in touch with him from that email, couldn't we? |
| 17:20:59 | delYsid | sure... |
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| 17:25:03 | XavierGr | petur: have you seen this? FS #7867 :P |
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| 17:25:47 | petur | XavierGr: !!! |
| 17:27:10 | petur | no idea why that is limited to BOFH though |
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| 17:28:42 | XavierGr | well it seems that the author had specifically BOFH in mind when writing it, very funny :D |
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| 17:29:16 | XavierGr | petur: btw, Have you seen Linus fix on the iriver bootloader? |
| 17:29:28 | petur | no big chance of having it committed I think, although amiconn also likes BOFH ;) |
| 17:29:49 | preglow | how can one not like bofh? |
| 17:30:16 | bluebrother | why no big chance for committing? It's just another "useless" demo thingy ;-) |
| 17:30:38 | XavierGr | petur: FS #7533 didn't have time to test yet, but I will when I come back, maybe it will work with your H380 too? |
| 17:30:59 | petur | I can always try.... |
| 17:31:14 | petur | should have a bit of time tonight |
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| 17:37:01 | amiconn | Real Lame Text Centering (tm) |
| 17:37:11 | amiconn | Bound to break for proportional fonts... |
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| 17:43:41 | preglow | hmm |
| 17:43:46 | preglow | the balance scale isn't really optimal |
| 17:43:58 | preglow | most of the change happens at 0-40% |
| 17:46:16 | preglow | wow, retailos charges the battery Fast |
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| 17:47:47 | preglow | markun: tried to find out why the mdct optimization bugs out? |
| 17:48:41 | * | amiconn thinks that doesn't make sense at all |
| 17:48:57 | amiconn | Afaik alignment check is disabled on the gigabeat cpu... |
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| 17:49:31 | preglow | it can do unaligned reads? |
| 17:50:57 | amiconn | I think it rotates as described in the arm manual |
| 17:51:01 | * | amiconn has no gigabeat |
| 17:51:14 | toffe82 | amiconn: you want one ;) |
| 17:51:25 | amiconn | Certainly not |
| 17:51:28 | toffe82 | :) |
| 17:51:39 | * | preglow is tempted... |
| 17:52:46 | preglow | the gigabeat arm has no extra instructions compared to portalplayer arm7tdmi, no? |
| 17:53:39 | A_M | Hiya folks! pseudo-noob coming back to rockbox development after not having used it for a long time. having some trouble compiling when trying to add a new source file... anyone feel inclined to help? ;) |
| 17:53:56 | A_M | getting "recorder/icons.h:30:25: rockboxlogo.h: No such file or directory" when trying to compile after adding the file to SOURCES... |
| 17:54:42 | A_M | any ideas? have added the file in question using svn add ... |
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| 17:58:43 | linuxstb | preglow: I'm guessing it does - it passes -cpu=arm9tdmi to gcc |
| 17:59:28 | preglow | i don't think arm9tdmi has any extra instructions |
| 17:59:56 | * | preglow checks out |
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| 18:02:14 | preglow | it has an extended pipeline |
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| 18:10:12 | preglow | linuxstb: seems to be arm4t, same as arm7tdmi |
| 18:10:14 | TMM | one iAudio7! :) |
| 18:10:18 | TMM | the thing's positively tiny |
| 18:11:12 | TMM | and, it's got 4 screws, which is good :P |
| 18:13:37 | TMM | nand write speed: not so good |
| 18:14:15 | Nico_P | A_M: svn add is when you want to commit or make a patch... what's the file you want to add ? |
| 18:14:21 | TMM | interface looks like it's been done by a 5 year old with crayons |
| 18:14:23 | TMM | :) |
| 18:14:34 | TMM | yep, this'll have to go ;) |
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| 18:15:42 | A_M | Nico_P: it's a file I'm working on myself. starting to redo the settings display in menus thing I did a while ago. found the problem though, seems SOURCES had become corrupt somehow. redownloading and adding the line again fixed it. |
| 18:15:51 | baudchan | hey ^_^ |
| 18:16:10 | baudchan | I have a ipod classic, is there any hope of me being able to put rockbox or ipodlinux on it? |
| 18:16:17 | preglow | no |
| 18:16:21 | baudchan | bawww |
| 18:16:22 | preglow | apple has closed it down thoroughly |
| 18:16:25 | preglow | go nag at them |
| 18:16:33 | Galois | they have encrypted firmware |
| 18:16:41 | baudchan | right |
| 18:16:54 | baudchan | is it possible to use a ipod on linux? |
| 18:17:06 | Galois | you mean, just transfer songs? |
| 18:17:07 | baudchan | a classic, obviously |
| 18:17:10 | baudchan | right |
| 18:17:34 | Galois | I think apple tried to prevent that too, but the linux folks found a way around it |
| 18:17:43 | baudchan | k |
| 18:17:53 | Galois | however, all this happened quite recently, so the fix hasn't made its way into mainstream repositories yet |
| 18:17:59 | TMM | which is why, I don't buy stuff that has apples printed on it |
| 18:18:05 | baudchan | lol |
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| 18:35:38 | TMM | ow, it's got a reset button |
| 18:35:43 | TMM | tasty |
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| 18:39:31 | * | amiconn thinks that those separate reset buttons are kludgey |
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| 18:41:50 | kugel | hello |
| 18:42:16 | kugel | can a dev with e200 review my patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7873 ? |
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| 18:49:35 | linuxstb | TMM: Have you opened it up yet/ |
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| 18:51:04 | baudchan | apparently ipod classics' hash was cracked like, last month |
| 18:51:16 | baudchan | so in the next few months I am sure I will see more support for it. |
| 18:51:33 | linuxstb | Unless Apple change the itunesdb format again... |
| 18:51:55 | bluebrother | won't affect Rockbox anyway ... |
| 18:51:55 | baudchan | except I wont upgrade the firmware |
| 18:52:34 | baudchan | true |
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| 18:53:19 | pixelma | kugel: you aware that if you change the action handling in the plugin file, it is possible you change behaviour on other targets too (though haven't looked too closely what you changed exactly). *grumbles 'plugin button actions'* |
| 18:53:46 | TMM | linuxstb: got my player! :) |
| 18:53:59 | linuxstb | TMM: So I read. Opened it up yet? |
| 18:54:08 | TMM | linuxstb: not yet, I need smaller screwdrivers |
| 18:54:37 | kugel | no, i didnt think of that |
| 18:54:42 | kugel | but i think i can fix it |
| 18:56:08 | kugel | or maybe not |
| 18:56:22 | linuxstb | TMM: Do you know exactly what telechips CPU is in your player? |
| 18:56:46 | kugel | i just didnt find another way to swap the funtions of left and menu button without editing the plugin file |
| 18:57:13 | TMM | linuxstb: it simply turns off when you remove the USB cable, regardless of state of the player when you plug it in |
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| 18:57:50 | linuxstb | TMM: So it basically forces you to reboot? |
| 18:57:54 | TMM | yes |
| 18:58:01 | TMM | I wonder what that means |
| 18:58:43 | TMM | it just immediately goes to 'usb connected' and doesn't come out |
| 18:59:21 | TMM | let's hope it's because it switches to some magic USB mode :) |
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| 19:00:17 | TMM | the OF really has quite a horrible interface :) |
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| 19:00:37 | linuxstb | TMM: Most do... |
| 19:03:17 | TMM | linuxstb: well, it'll just have to go ;) |
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| 19:07:08 | TMM | that swingtouch thing doesn't really work all that well |
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| 19:08:01 | Bagder | linuxstb: TCC771L is written on the chip itself in the iaudio 7 |
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| 19:10:05 | preglow | what clock freq do these tcc chips usually run at? |
| 19:10:17 | Bagder | 120Mhz iirc |
| 19:10:23 | TMM | yeah |
| 19:10:42 | Bagder | ARM946 core |
| 19:11:10 | TMM | O god, it skips if you change directories/albums/artists |
| 19:11:17 | preglow | how unoverkill :/ |
| 19:11:28 | Bagder | haha |
| 19:11:42 | Bagder | unoverkill is a great word |
| 19:11:49 | TMM | this must have been written by trained monkeys, without the training |
| 19:12:44 | TMM | preglow: apparently it's got close to 60 hours of battery life on OF ;) |
| 19:12:58 | TMM | preglow: I think the 533mhz player won't make that :) |
| 19:13:09 | preglow | but that can decode h264 :P |
| 19:13:10 | scorche|work | ooo..a new competitor for the M5L? |
| 19:13:22 | TMM | it should be enough to play doom ;) |
| 19:13:22 | preglow | i'm starting to want an mp3 player with tv out now |
| 19:13:26 | preglow | and i know i should stop, but i just can't |
| 19:13:33 | scorche|work | preglow: shame on you |
| 19:13:38 | TMM | preglow: ever considered a laptop? |
| 19:14:07 | TMM | that 533 mhz player is probably faster than OLPC ;) |
| 19:14:34 | preglow | TMM: i don't want a laptop :D |
| 19:14:58 | linuxstb | TMM: What formats does the OF claim to play? Is this one of those claiming APE support? |
| 19:15:02 | preglow | but that's a good point, laptops probably have tv out these days... |
| 19:15:19 | linuxstb | preglow: Or a $50 DVD player with divx support? |
| 19:15:34 | preglow | linuxstb: i want more than just divx |
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| 19:15:46 | preglow | i basically want vlc in a box, heh |
| 19:15:51 | TMM | sound of OF is pretty good though |
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| 19:15:52 | preglow | so i guess i should just buy a laptop |
| 19:16:21 | TMM | preglow: I got myself an aopen minipc, and put freevo on it, I pxe boot it from my server where all the media is, it's a wonderful machine to use as a set-top box |
| 19:16:41 | preglow | portability being important here, i want to be able to lug movies around conventiently and KNOW they'll play where i go |
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| 19:17:08 | linuxstb | preglow: From what I've heard, the TV-outs on the average laptop are pretty bad |
| 19:17:15 | preglow | linuxstb: i'd expect so, yeah |
| 19:17:20 | TMM | linuxstb: OF claims: MP3, OGG, WMA, ASF, FLAC, WAV, MPEG4(video) playback, |
| 19:17:23 | preglow | most stuff on your average laptop is pretty bad |
| 19:18:38 | linuxstb | TMM: Hmm, MPEG4 on a 120MHz ARM is quite impressive - unless I've missed a DSP in there somewhere... |
| 19:18:38 | TMM | it's strange, it's sort of 'sideways' |
| 19:19:10 | TMM | linuxstb: manual suggests @ 160x128 pixels... |
| 19:19:15 | preglow | hmm, am i dreaming, or did i read somewhere that pp has the jpeg idct in hardware? |
| 19:19:19 | linuxstb | Do they give any more info on video encoding? (bitrate, fps, audio format etc) ? |
| 19:19:36 | TMM | linuxstb: no, the include some tool, but I've got examples that I plan on examining |
| 19:20:19 | Bagder | the X5 OF does 15fps video on 160x128, as I recall it |
| 19:20:50 | Bagder | but I don't remember what format they used there |
| 19:21:23 | Bagder | the iaudio 7 seems to support the exact same audio codecs as the x5 btw |
| 19:21:27 | TMM | Video : Xvid, 1-pass, 256 ~ 384kbps |
| 19:21:28 | TMM | Audio : MP3 128kbps CBR |
| 19:21:28 | TMM | Size : 160 x 128 |
| 19:21:28 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK TMM |
| 19:21:28 | TMM | Frame Rate : 15 fps or less |
| 19:21:28 | TMM | Interleaving time : 66ms or less |
| 19:22:10 | TMM | you could decode that realtime with a set of crayons and a pocket calculator ; |
| 19:22:11 | TMM | ;) |
| 19:25:01 | TMM | How about I just post a FAQ question, about what to do when flashing went wrong? ;) |
| 19:25:29 | linuxstb | Can't hurt ;) |
| 19:26:33 | Ctcp | Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood |
| 19:26:33 | * | linuxstb wonders what "realtime decoding of JPEG" means (from the PP5020 product brief) |
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| 19:30:04 | TMM | linuxstb: there's a newer version of the firmware online now, should I just try and put it on, see how it goes? or is it better to keep this version? I don't know if it'll matter really |
| 19:30:36 | linuxstb | TMM: Maybe you could try putting an older version on - see if you can downgrade freely |
| 19:30:44 | TMM | linuxstb: good point |
| 19:31:35 | TMM | linuxstb: they don't keep older versions... |
| 19:32:01 | linuxstb | Someone somewhere must have them... |
| 19:32:33 | TMM | yeah, googling |
| 19:33:35 | TMM | got 1.13 |
| 19:33:45 | TMM | 1.12 |
| 19:33:47 | TMM | :) |
| 19:34:04 | TMM | they keep them in a 'special' directory apparently, some chinese forum linked to it |
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| 19:36:22 | TMM | yep, it downgrades |
| 19:36:51 | TMM | OK, THIS is buggy |
| 19:36:53 | przemhb | Hi all |
| 19:36:57 | TMM | artifacts on the screen, damn |
| 19:37:02 | TMM | let's try a newer version |
| 19:37:20 | przemhb | I would like to ask a few questions about H10 FM tuner |
| 19:37:34 | TMM | hum... artifacts also show in USB mode |
| 19:37:43 | przemhb | do we know how to use i2c in H10? |
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| 19:38:10 | TMM | this is a good start, USB doesn't work anymore |
| 19:38:25 | przemhb | do we know how to switch between music playback and FM tuner? |
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| 19:39:12 | TMM | awesome, bricked in under 2 hours |
| 19:40:08 | TMM | hum, I ASSUME, this firmware version doesn't understand 16Gb of NAND, I could have thought of that myself |
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| 19:40:51 | markun | przemhb: I think this info would have been in the wiki if anyone knew |
| 19:41:45 | TMM | it keeps resetting itself |
| 19:41:48 | TMM | hum... |
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| 19:43:50 | TMM | does anyone have any suggestions? :) |
| 19:44:04 | przemhb | does anybody have an idea on how to discover pin mappings for i2c and bus mode select other then OF disassembling? |
| 19:44:36 | linuxstb | TMM: Now you need to find the recovery procedure... |
| 19:44:44 | linuxstb | TMM: Or send that email to telechips... |
| 19:44:48 | TMM | linuxstb: geez, thanks for the suggestion ;) |
| 19:44:49 | linuxstb | s/telechips/cowon/ |
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| 19:45:10 | linuxstb | TMM: What if you turn it on with USB attached? |
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| 19:45:44 | TMM | linuxstb: same, but the initial bootloader immediately displays the version information, so I'm going to have to assume that that's not a good thing |
| 19:46:08 | linuxstb | You mean the initial splash contains the version number of the main firmware you just installed? |
| 19:46:58 | TMM | linuxstb: it appears so |
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| 19:47:14 | TMM | I'll see if it'll settle if it's been connected for a while |
| 19:47:25 | linuxstb | My telechips-based mp3/dab player does the same thing |
| 19:47:40 | TMM | hum, bad |
| 19:47:50 | TMM | well, at least I learned something today ;) |
| 19:48:00 | markun | przemhb: not a lot of reactions |
| 19:48:09 | linuxstb | TMM: But seriously, it could be a useful thing - cowon may tell you how to recover... |
| 19:48:22 | TMM | linuxstb: yeah, I'll try that now :) |
| 19:48:56 | linuxstb | Not a very secure upgrade procedure... |
| 19:49:50 | TMM | nope, it just did what it was supposed to do |
| 19:49:51 | TMM | kind of |
| 19:50:04 | TMM | told you the version number in the header didn't do anything :P |
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| 19:50:52 | markun | scorche|work: ozgur asked me which day you wanted to stay exactly, was it the 6th? |
| 19:51:00 | markun | .. or rather night |
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| 19:52:15 | pixelma | przemhb: iirc barrywardell started work regarding radio on H10 but seems to have given up, maybe you can talk to him if he's around again (was logged in earlier today) |
| 19:52:59 | rasher | Why does this not give me a black screen with white text: http://pastebin.ca/721971 ? |
| 19:53:01 | przemhb | pixelma: thank you for the tip |
| 19:53:33 | Arathis | pixelma, przemhb: amiconn wanted to work on H10 radio some months ago |
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| 19:54:32 | linuxstb | TMM: I'm guessing you could probably just put any firmware for any telechips device onto any other telechips device... (assuming that Ver: matches). |
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| 19:54:52 | * | linuxstb doesn't want to test that theory |
| 19:55:34 | TMM | linuxstb: aww, I just bricked my player, join in the fun! :P |
| 19:56:09 | linuxstb | TMM: I think you've probably won the prize for fastest bricking of a device during rockbox development... |
| 19:56:26 | TMM | what's the prize? I get to keep both pieces? |
| 19:57:11 | n1s | TMM: since you used official firmware cowon really should fix it for you |
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| 19:57:42 | TMM | n1s: well, it's brand new, so I can just return it for warranty |
| 19:57:53 | TMM | ghe, I played ONE song with it ;) |
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| 20:00:35 | linuxstb | TMM: Is this your problem? http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=16406 |
| 20:01:08 | Nico_P | silly question... how do I disable tagcache from a build ? |
| 20:01:44 | linuxstb | Remove the HAVE_TAGCACHE define from the config-targetname.h file |
| 20:01:49 | TMM | linuxstb: no, it won't recognize it as an USB mass storage device |
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| 20:01:58 | TMM | linuxstb: well, it will, but it keeps resetting every 2 seconds |
| 20:02:05 | Nico_P | linuxstb: thanks |
| 20:02:20 | linuxstb | TMM: So when you attach to usb, the device itself resets? |
| 20:02:34 | TMM | linuxstb: yep |
| 20:02:38 | linuxstb | It's not trying to connect in MTP mode? |
| 20:02:47 | TMM | linuxstb: euh... what's that? |
| 20:03:12 | linuxstb | A Windows thing... Used by Windows Media Player (and others) to communicate to devices |
| 20:03:28 | Nico_P | linuxstb: for a sim build, is the config-<target>.h file used ? |
| 20:03:40 | Nico_P | because tagcache isn't disabled |
| 20:03:43 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Yes. But about half of it is #ifndef SIMULATOR |
| 20:03:47 | TMM | linuxstb: well, it keeps resetting, but I'll try the mtp-tools |
| 20:04:06 | linuxstb | TMM: Do the logs tell you anything? |
| 20:04:36 | TMM | yeah, that an usb storage device keeps resetting :) |
| 20:04:46 | TMM | Oct 1 20:04:38 liza kernel: [ 4567.540000] sd 13:0:0:0: [sdb] Write Protect is off |
| 20:04:46 | TMM | Oct 1 20:04:38 liza kernel: [ 4567.540000] sd 13:0:0:0: [sdb] Mode Sense: 37 00 00 08 |
| 20:04:46 | TMM | Oct 1 20:04:38 liza kernel: [ 4567.540000] sd 13:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through |
| 20:04:49 | TMM | every 2 seconds |
| 20:04:58 | TMM | let's try a windows box |
| 20:07:17 | desowin | 2.6.22? |
| 20:07:18 | scorche|work | i should test and see if rombox will compile now even without tagcache...it probably has grown a bit since i last tested |
| 20:07:23 | * | Nico_P doesn't get why add_tagcache needs to use a trackinfo and not an mp3entry |
| 20:07:29 | Nico_P | grr |
| 20:07:39 | scorche|work | it is interesting how many people seem to be using that define for other things.. |
| 20:11:43 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I'm stupid, that's why HAVE_TAGCACHE didn't get disabled... but at least it forced me to fix the problem the right way |
| 20:12:21 | TMM | linuxstb: windows seems to be able to do something with it |
| 20:12:29 | TMM | linuxstb: windows media player seems to fins it |
| 20:12:39 | linuxstb | TMM: Ah, so it does seem to be MTP mode... |
| 20:12:48 | linuxstb | I assume it doesn't give you a drive letter? |
| 20:12:52 | TMM | nope |
| 20:13:08 | linuxstb | Then yes, it's connecting in MTP mode.... So you can't use the firmware at all? |
| 20:13:22 | TMM | nope |
| 20:13:28 | TMM | I wonder how I can flash it now |
| 20:13:59 | pixelma | maybe there is a setting for it in the firmware (like on the Sansas)? |
| 20:14:14 | TMM | pixelma: can't access the firmware, menu's are fucked |
| 20:14:27 | pixelma | oh |
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| 20:14:52 | TMM | perhaps 'jetaudio' can fix this |
| 20:15:15 | TMM | but I think it's safe to assume it's got no recovery mode |
| 20:15:33 | linuxstb | Does Windows Explorer show you the device? |
| 20:15:40 | scorche|work | Nico_P: why didnt it get disabled? |
| 20:16:22 | Nico_P | scorche|work: OK this is embarrassing... I have two trees, one for git and one for SVN, and I edited config-gigabeat.h in the wrong tree |
| 20:16:27 | TMM | linuxstb: nope |
| 20:16:36 | scorche|work | heh... |
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| 20:18:01 | Nico_P | I finally got playback.c to compile in my mob branch of the git tree, but now I have to make sure my fix to tagcache.c is OK before I can move forward on playback.c |
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| 20:18:27 | Nico_P | and it only compiles because I ifdeffed whole bunches of code out |
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| 20:22:05 | markun | Nico_P: can't you commit to SVN with your GIT tree? |
| 20:22:08 | TMM | it must still be able to access NAND, otherwise it wouldn't boot AT ALL |
| 20:22:12 | TMM | I wonder what's wrong with it |
| 20:22:28 | Nico_P | markun: I can, but sometimes simple SVN is more practical |
| 20:22:35 | Nico_P | and I like to have both |
| 20:22:35 | TMM | at first boot, it still showed me the initial screen |
| 20:22:42 | TMM | ie, language settings and the like |
| 20:22:45 | TMM | but distorted |
| 20:23:04 | Nico_P | can someone see anything wrong in http://pastebin.ca/722017 ? |
| 20:23:12 | TMM | factory reset requires a playable file to be present, sadly |
| 20:23:33 | TMM | they really should shoot the guy who thought THAT was a good idea |
| 20:25:02 | linuxstb | You can't transfer music with WMP? |
| 20:25:51 | * | Nico_P back in two secs |
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| 20:26:49 | TMM | linuxstb: I don't know, I don't know how that's supposed to work |
| 20:31:11 | linuxstb | I've no idea either - I guess you could just stick in a CD, rip it, and try to sync to your device... |
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| 20:39:10 | TMM | linuxstb: hum, it only sort of works |
| 20:39:45 | TMM | it says it found an iAudio7, but it also keeps saying 'connect device' |
| 20:40:13 | TMM | ah, it looks like it KEEPS finding it |
| 20:40:18 | TMM | same as on linux then I suppose |
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| 20:43:52 | TMM | linuxstb: actually, it DOES assign it a drive letter, but it keeps complaining there's no disk in the drive... |
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| 20:47:10 | TMM | "head: cannot open `/dev/sdb' for reading: No medium found" |
| 20:47:16 | TMM | windows and linux apparently agree |
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| 20:49:59 | linuxstb | TMM: So it sounds like you need to contact Cowon... |
| 20:51:49 | TMM | yep |
| 20:52:09 | TMM | well, that was quick |
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| 20:55:39 | TMM | strange thing is, it still 'kind of' works |
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| 20:57:22 | rasher | amiconn: how do I clear a line where I put a scrolling string with lcd_puts_scroll? |
| 20:57:23 | TMM | ow, I got a different result |
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| 20:58:09 | amiconn | ? |
| 20:58:52 | rasher | amiconn: Well, I've put a line on the screen, and now I want it gone, but it keeps coming back (presumably because it's still getting scrolled by the scrolling thread?) |
| 20:59:35 | amiconn | You either use lcd_clear_screen(), which disables all scrolling lines, or call lcd_puts_scroll again |
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| 21:00:08 | TMM | linuxstb: reset+power button does give interesting results |
| 21:00:15 | rasher | I'd rather not clear the screen if I can avoid it. So using lcd_puts_scroll on the same line, with an empty string should work? |
| 21:01:56 | amiconn | Not sure whether an empty string will work. A string which is short enough to not need scrolling should work |
| 21:02:20 | rasher | So a space, then |
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| 21:03:34 | preglow | amiconn: you tried 5% stereo width steps? |
| 21:03:47 | maxkelley | what is the stereo width supposed to do? |
| 21:03:58 | maxkelley | I can't hear any affects of it. |
| 21:04:05 | maxkelley | er, effects. |
| 21:04:23 | preglow | you need to set channels to custom |
| 21:04:26 | preglow | it's a bit confusing |
| 21:04:30 | maxkelley | ah. |
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| 21:13:34 | preglow | geh, what's our policy on dropping sub-codec formats? :/ |
| 21:13:44 | preglow | the new musepack stuff doesn't seem to have support for pre-sv7 files, like we do now |
| 21:14:30 | Lear | with new, do you mean the sv8 support stuff? |
| 21:14:34 | preglow | yes |
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| 21:16:13 | TMM | damn, I need to register at cowon.com to ask a question, but the registering procedure isn't working |
| 21:18:10 | TMM | linuxstb: I also found the 'magic' firmware filename I7_FW.BIN in the OF, so, I'm guessing it's OF that does the flashing |
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| 21:19:43 | pixelma | sounds familiar for cowon products... |
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| 21:22:17 | TMM | pixelma: how nice, well, RMA it is then |
| 21:22:22 | * | ender` yawns |
| 21:22:36 | TMM | pixelma: at least we know it'll flash pretty much anything ;) |
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| 21:23:03 | petur | ender`: give us your quit message :) |
| 21:23:11 | ender` | which one? :) |
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| 21:24:10 | petur | "who is general failure and why is he reading my harddisk?" |
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| 21:30:11 | _fm2 | Bagder: Hello Bagder. Have you got some time to help me with http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7809 ? |
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| 21:34:07 | preglow | well, ok, from this merge on, we won't be supporting sv4-6 files |
| 21:34:25 | preglow | i just can't be bothered to merge in code the mpc people themselves won't even support |
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| 21:36:49 | rasher | What does it mean if I get "undefined reference to `memcpy'" errors when compiling a plugin? |
| 21:36:52 | TMM | well, worst case scenario is that I'll have a player to pick apart and do with what I please ;) |
| 21:36:58 | rasher | (not using memcpy at all) |
| 21:37:10 | petur | gcc uses it for you |
| 21:37:17 | TMM | rasher: forgot to include string.h? |
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| 21:37:42 | petur | rasher: you need to provide wrappers (see other plugins) |
| 21:39:44 | petur | fm2: if you see my reply to FS #7874, ok if I close it? |
| 21:39:45 | rasher | Crazy |
| 21:40:02 | rasher | Any reason why that wrapper is not defined in plugin.h? |
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| 21:40:35 | rasher | Eh, plugin.c I suppose |
| 21:42:32 | Lear | not part of the plugin perhaps? |
| 21:43:07 | petur | maybe put in that helper file that is part of pluginlib |
| 21:44:15 | rasher | Guess I'll do what all other plugins do, and leave this to people who know what on earth is going on |
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| 21:45:11 | fm2 | Bagder: ping |
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| 21:45:55 | linuxstb_ | rasher: There's a macro in plugin.h to handle the mem* wrappers. |
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| 21:46:18 | linuxstb_ | MEM_FUNCTION_WRAPPERS |
| 21:46:43 | fm2 | linuxstb: hello. You one helped me with a makefile. Could you do it again? |
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| 21:47:00 | knoopx | hi all |
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| 21:47:39 | tictoc | so, is the sv8 musepack encoded files compatible with the current rockbox builds? |
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| 21:49:30 | linuxstb_ | fm2: I don't know if I can help, but what's the problem? |
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| 21:50:07 | fm2 | linuxstb: it's described in FS #7809, one of the latest comments |
| 21:50:58 | * | low_light listens to radio on the c200 |
| 21:51:06 | fm2 | linuxstb: the challenge is to modify the makefile (or what else?) so that the steps 2 and 3 are executed |
| 21:51:12 | DefineByte | Anyone else think that PC keyboard commands in the manual should be highlighted in some way? |
| 21:51:28 | Lear | tictoc: not yet... |
| 21:52:29 | linuxstb_ | fm2: I don't like that approach - running the pre-processor twice. It seems a long way from C code and further into macro hell... |
| 21:52:51 | preglow | tictoc: no |
| 21:53:03 | fm2 | linuxstb: the PP is only run once. Just the temp files are kept |
| 21:53:08 | tictoc | gotcha |
| 21:53:09 | preglow | tictoc: looking at it right now, but i just can't be bothered to bore myself to death with merging right now |
| 21:54:03 | petur | tictoc: offer preglow a beer and all will go well ;) |
| 21:54:27 | tictoc | i'll offer him a whiskey |
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| 21:55:26 | eigma | hmmmmm.. my build doesn't seem to be generating lang.h ("action.c:24:18: error: lang.h: No such file or directory") - anyone seen this before? |
| 21:55:49 | petur | yes... |
| 21:55:56 | low_light | I see that radio and recording are not properly separated by defines |
| 21:55:58 | linuxstb_ | fm2: But isn't the output of the pre-processor then compiled? - meaning it's run through the pre-processor again as part of the compilation? |
| 21:56:04 | * | petur scratches memory |
| 21:56:11 | preglow | tictoc: i'd love a bottle of 16 year old lagavulin :> |
| 21:56:18 | eigma | I'm trying really hard to understand tools/make.inc but it's pretty obscure |
| 21:56:22 | Nico_P | so no one has comment on http://pastebin.ca/722017 ? |
| 21:56:23 | rasher | eigma: I believe it's not at all related to lang.h, but can't help beyond that |
| 21:56:34 | DefineByte | make clean? |
| 21:56:42 | * | Nico_P has been hacking libmtp to make it work with his gigabeat S :) |
| 21:56:46 | fm2 | linuxstb: no. The results of the PP are processed by a script. The script produces a .c file that should be compiled. |
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| 21:57:12 | petur | eigma: there is some other bug in a file that causes lang.h not to build... |
| 21:57:45 | eigma | oh, interesting |
| 21:58:00 | eigma | lang.h is missing for a -j5 build; now rockboxlogo.h is missing for a "no -j" build |
| 21:58:25 | petur | did you change much code? |
| 21:58:30 | eigma | none |
| 21:58:33 | fm2 | linuxstb: i.e. the first step is the usual RB compilation, just with -save-temps. Then two steps are inserted (script, i.e. grep + sed, and compilation of one file), then linking as usual in RB |
| 21:59:04 | eigma | and I can't find any references to rockboxlogo.h other than #include's... |
| 21:59:37 | DefineByte | bluebrother about? |
| 21:59:38 | Lear | Nico_P: Just removed "track."? Seems simple enough... |
| 21:59:55 | Nico_P | Lear: yeah, it's really simple actually |
| 21:59:56 | petur | eigma: it is totally unrelated... let me try to find the cause again |
| 21:59:57 | linuxstb_ | eigma: It's generated by the build system - based on the bitmaps in apps/bitmaps/native/ |
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| 22:00:00 | * | Nico_P wants to commit |
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| 22:00:33 | rasher | Is there a (rather low) limit to the size of plugins on recorder? |
| 22:00:48 | linuxstb_ | Yes, 32KB. |
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| 22:01:20 | bluebrother | DefineByte: yep |
| 22:01:45 | DefineByte | o goody. you know I asked you yesterday about keypress highlighting in the manual? |
| 22:01:46 | rasher | linuxstb_: is this a define somewhere I can check? |
| 22:02:02 | bluebrother | yep. |
| 22:02:08 | rasher | Answering my own question: PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE |
| 22:02:34 | DefineByte | Well, when I said key-presses I wasn't being very clean. I meant on the PC side, using a keyboard |
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| 22:02:44 | DefineByte | Is there anything for that? |
| 22:02:51 | eigma | linuxstb_: I think I'm gonna need a bit of help to debug this.. |
| 22:02:52 | bluebrother | ah. No, not yet. |
| 22:02:53 | DefineByte | I couldn't find anything in preamble.tex |
| 22:02:58 | DefineByte | ah |
| 22:03:16 | linuxstb_ | rasher:Do you need a large buffer in your plugin, and you're deciding how big it should be? |
| 22:03:30 | bluebrother | but it might be a good idea adding something like that. Maybe something like \typewriter? |
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| 22:03:32 | rasher | linuxstb_: No, the plugin includes a lot of text.. |
| 22:03:59 | rasher | I guess I could change it to load it from a file, but that would involve effort |
| 22:04:14 | DefineByte | yes, would be good. Is it easy enough to add? Never looked at Latex before |
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| 22:04:43 | DefineByte | I guess formatted in the same way player button presses are formatted? |
| 22:04:56 | DefineByte | or different? |
| 22:04:58 | fm2 | linuxstb: do you still not like the approach? |
| 22:04:59 | DefineByte | dunno |
| 22:05:02 | bluebrother | you can just create a macro like the \btnfnt one. Just replace the \textbf with a different style |
| 22:05:38 | bluebrother | as long as you use a different macro it doesn't matter if it produces the same visual appearance −− we can just change that easily if we like ;-) |
| 22:05:46 | petur | eigma: have you checked out the docs directory? |
| 22:05:57 | bluebrother | for text input maybe try \texttt? |
| 22:06:16 | bluebrother | it produces (unless my memory serves me wrong) a courier-like font |
| 22:06:30 | DefineByte | oh, okay |
| 22:07:18 | bluebrother | but feel free to propose a different style. It's just that I usually think of courier for type-in stuff |
| 22:07:30 | linuxstb_ | fm2: It just seems that if you need to go to all this trouble, something is wrong with the settings/menu design... But I don't know it well enough to suggest a different solution. |
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| 22:08:05 | rcholla32 | can you people help me with reversing e200r to e200 becuase i use |
| 22:08:23 | rcholla32 | the e200 to e200r converter as seen on |
| 22:08:28 | eigma | petur: I'm not sure what I can read there that can help; can you suggest something? |
| 22:08:32 | rcholla32 | anythingbutipod |
| 22:08:39 | DefineByte | to be honest I haven't even got around to editing any files yet. I'm just compiling lots of notes. Once I get to editing I'll see how it looks. |
| 22:09:08 | petur | eigma: I meant that you must have gotten all files in there |
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| 22:09:33 | DefineByte | thanks for the help :) |
| 22:09:33 | eigma | petur: oh, yes, I have a complete copy of trunk |
| 22:09:39 | fm2 | linuxstb: I don't think that's so much of a trouble. Actually I think that due to the fact that all menus are defined with macros it's possible to automatically gather the stats. It would be much harder otherwise. And it already works. I just don't know how to adjust the makefile. |
| 22:09:50 | bluebrother | no problem −− it's nice to see you looking into it ;-) |
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| 22:10:01 | petur | I recall that this issue comes when a file is missing |
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| 22:10:07 | eigma | I'll try re-co'ing |
| 22:11:00 | DefineByte | unfortunately, since I don't have a Mac, it's kind of hard to judge the accuracy of some of the instructions. |
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| 22:13:38 | linuxstb_ | fm2: OK, but I don't have time to experiment at the moment. Maybe looking at how lang.c/h are generated will help you. |
| 22:14:05 | fm2 | linuxstb: ok, I'll look. Thanks! |
| 22:14:10 | DefineByte | I guess since iPod is written as 'Ipod' iTunes should be written as 'Itunes'? |
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| 22:14:36 | Bagder | rcholla32: so what exactly are you asking? |
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| 22:15:02 | Bagder | now that is an odd question :-) |
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| 22:16:18 | nooob | hi dudes |
| 22:16:26 | nooob | i have a small question |
| 22:16:47 | Lear | What is the difference between the "R" Sansas and the "plain" ones? Hardware or software? |
| 22:16:53 | nooob | do i need itunes to put music on my ipod 5 video? |
| 22:16:58 | Bagder | Lear: software |
| 22:17:11 | Bagder | Lear: but I believe the Rs always have fm tuner |
| 22:17:24 | Bagder | the plain ones exist both with and without |
| 22:17:48 | Bagder | the R ones are more involved to run Rockbox on |
| 22:17:51 | Zagor | nooob: not if you run rockbox |
| 22:18:03 | nooob | how can i put the music on it |
| 22:18:04 | nooob | ? |
| 22:18:09 | nooob | i use rock box |
| 22:18:13 | Lear | So if a Sansa is marked as "E200 with radio" it isn't an R? |
| 22:18:18 | nooob | installed 2 mins ago |
| 22:18:23 | Bagder | Lear: correct |
| 22:18:29 | Zagor | nooob: copy the files to it, just like you copied rockbox |
| 22:18:29 | nooob | and its the best thing i have ever seen |
| 22:18:32 | nooob | really nice |
| 22:18:58 | nooob | so can i only conect to my xp and drop the music on it? |
| 22:19:04 | Zagor | yup |
| 22:19:10 | nooob | in wich folder? |
| 22:19:14 | Zagor | anyone you want |
| 22:19:16 | preglow | whichever you like |
| 22:19:20 | nooob | hehe |
| 22:19:21 | nooob | really |
| 22:19:25 | Zagor | yup |
| 22:19:29 | nooob | damn |
| 22:19:31 | nooob | =) |
| 22:19:34 | nooob | I LIKE |
| 22:19:41 | low_light | Zagor: does your c250 have radio? |
| 22:19:44 | Zagor | no |
| 22:19:55 | Zagor | but I plan to buy a second one :-) |
| 22:20:32 | low_light | radio seems to work |
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| 22:21:05 | low_light | I think I'm just getting a lot of interference at work |
| 22:21:09 | Zagor | nice! |
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| 22:21:50 | scorche|work | low_light: yeah, and on some devices (like the gigabeat S), if you wait a min, the reception gets drastically better |
| 22:22:40 | low_light | I think it's the NMR across the hall |
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| 22:23:30 | low_light | Zagor: contrast settings work too |
| 22:23:43 | nooob | hot it works |
| 22:23:46 | Zagor | aha, what was the fix? |
| 22:23:54 | Zagor | i.e what did I do wrong? |
| 22:23:56 | nooob | I would like to thank the developers for this mad firmware. Unbelievable work an inspired user from Switzerland peace |
| 22:24:09 | nooob | thanks for help |
| 22:24:13 | nooob | see u soon |
| 22:24:13 | Zagor | nooob: glad you like it |
| 22:24:16 | * | pixelma just read about radio on c200s and is all ears :) |
| 22:24:19 | nooob | i LOVE IT |
| 22:24:29 | nooob | i hate itunes |
| 22:24:32 | low_light | Zagor: I don't know what you did |
| 22:24:43 | nooob | now i love my pod |
| 22:24:54 | Zagor | low_light: ok, I'll just look at your commit |
| 22:25:04 | nooob | bye bye folks |
| 22:25:08 | Zagor | bye |
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| 22:27:25 | mister_pink | I was wondering if anyone has any ideas how I can get svn to work while I'm at uni. We have a firewall that seems to have some strict port blocking going on, is there some way to change what port svn uses? |
| 22:28:15 | Bagder | mister_pink: can you ssh out our use https? |
| 22:28:17 | scorche|work | mister_pink: you might get some better help in a svn channel....this channel is purely about rockbox :) |
| 22:28:35 | Bagder | well, if its about the rockbox svn it is related |
| 22:29:06 | * | scorche|work shuffles to the side |
| 22:29:08 | preglow | do we do http svn? |
| 22:29:18 | Bagder | here's a little docs => http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/sshproxy.html |
| 22:29:31 | Bagder | no we don't afaik |
| 22:29:38 | low_light | pixelma: I'll make a patch for you to test |
| 22:29:41 | Bagder | but we should possibly consider that |
| 22:29:42 | preglow | that would probably be a quick fix, wouldn't it? |
| 22:29:57 | mister_pink | im not sure if its a problem with svn in general or just the rockbox server, ill try downloading some source code for something else and see if it works. Cheers |
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| 22:30:01 | Bagder | I'm not sure it is that quick, but it would be a fix yes |
| 22:30:13 | preglow | i'm quite sure it's quick |
| 22:30:27 | preglow | i kinda remember setting it up on my own server a while back, and i wouldn't have done that if it wasn't quick :P |
| 22:30:31 | Bagder | I've seen lots of problems with file ownerships etc |
| 22:30:37 | preglow | oh |
| 22:30:51 | Bagder | but yea, if things are done right I figure it should be quick |
| 22:30:56 | pixelma | low_light: looking forward |
| 22:31:19 | low_light | pixelma: here: http://rafb.net/p/3KShOD26.html |
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| 22:32:20 | RaZorbacK | hello all. is it needed to ruhello all. I've just compiled a rockbox build. is it necessary to run a "make clean" before generating a voice file corresponding to the build i've just made? |
| 22:32:56 | BigBambi | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13026.msg98341 - I really want to add "hear my roar" after "I am Bagder" |
| 22:33:10 | Bagder | :-) |
| 22:33:15 | linuxstb_ | RaZorbacK: You should create the voice files in a new build directory. |
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| 22:34:00 | Bagder | BigBambi: the funny thing is that he managed to PM me on the forum, so he must've got my nick right at some point... |
| 22:34:02 | RaZorbacK | linuxstb: thanks , i'll do that :) |
| 22:34:05 | BigBambi | haha |
| 22:34:08 | RaZorbacK | linuxstb |
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| 22:34:23 | petur | Bagder: he only had to click it? |
| 22:34:25 | rasher | For anyone with time to kill, here's a rather silly plugin I'd like tested: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7577 |
| 22:34:30 | Bagder | ah, true |
| 22:34:51 | BigBambi | Probably thinks he is helping your spelling |
| 22:34:52 | scorche|work | bluebrother: haha...look at your announcements thread |
| 22:35:06 | Bagder | yeah, me silly can't even spell badger |
| 22:35:15 | BigBambi | tut tut |
| 22:35:23 | preglow | to rename a dir i just need to do svn mv, yeah? no fancy stuff? |
| 22:35:53 | Bagder | correct |
| 22:36:08 | preglow | thinking of just renaming libmusepack to libmpcdec, since that's what it's called these days |
| 22:36:12 | low_light | pixelma: something's not right with the tuning though...I'm picking up stations at the wrong frequencies |
| 22:36:33 | preglow | but then again, i think i'll just leave it be until we need libmpcenc some day |
| 22:36:46 | pixelma | low_light: currently compiling, will test myself in a few minutes (I hope) |
| 22:36:50 | bluebrother | scorche|work: ROTFL. |
| 22:37:18 | BigBambi | bluebrother: scorche|work I couldn't decide if he meant his post or the thread |
| 22:37:48 | BigBambi | But given he hasn't edited it |
| 22:40:23 | Bagder | hm, almost 50% more downloads from build.rockbox.org during september compared to august |
| 22:40:29 | Bagder | I guess summer is over now |
| 22:41:00 | bluebrother | DefineByte: in case you read the logs, the Ipod vs. iPod issue was discussed and the result is to treat all names as nouns. Hence it becomes Itunes; see also http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/LatexGuidelines#Names |
| 22:41:23 | Bagder | 24500 ipod video, 15000 e200, 14000 ipod video 64MB, 13700 ipod nano |
| 22:41:23 | rasher | Bagder: or someone hammered the server again? |
| 22:41:35 | Bagder | they do occasionally |
| 22:41:44 | Bagder | but for some reason they seem to do that on the source package |
| 22:41:50 | bluebrother | don't they usually just get the source archive? |
| 22:42:01 | Bagder | 31300 downloads during sep |
| 22:43:03 | Bagder | 443GB totally |
| 22:43:12 | Bagder | with 216GB on the single day sep 2 |
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| 22:43:38 | RaZorbacK | is there some documentation about how to use rockbox sim in order to test build ? |
| 22:43:46 | bluebrother | wow. That's half of the total size. |
| 22:43:52 | RaZorbacK | and can we test voice files with the sim ? |
| 22:44:03 | bluebrother | RaZorbacK: there is the UiSimulator wiki page, and iirc voice files work in the sim |
| 22:44:09 | rasher | RaZorbacK: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator |
| 22:44:13 | bluebrother | I don't think there is much more documentation |
| 22:44:19 | Bagder | bluebrother: aug was even worse with a single day with 445GB |
| 22:44:29 | bluebrother | urgh :( |
| 22:44:39 | bluebrother | you should add a captcha for downloading the source ;-) |
| 22:44:39 | RaZorbacK | this wiki is fantastic, we could find everything :) thanks a lot |
| 22:44:46 | petur | Zagor: how good is your knowledge of file.c? |
| 22:45:21 | Zagor | petur: well, I wrote it once. but that was a while ago. |
| 22:45:21 | * | bluebrother still wonders about that post to the announcement. Has anyone already taken care of it? |
| 22:45:36 | scorche|work | i was waiting for you to, but i can if you want |
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| 22:46:15 | bluebrother | well, I was wondering if I should simply post a "LOL" reply, delete it or do something else. |
| 22:46:30 | bluebrother | but I'm somewhat unsure what the best reaction is. |
| 22:46:51 | petur | Zagor: I'm trying to figure out possible side effects from letting fsync() always call fat_closewrite(). |
| 22:47:06 | low_light | pixelma: I've got to go...hopefully it works. I'll check the logs later |
| 22:47:06 | scorche|work | i would delete, then send a PM |
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| 22:47:56 | * | scorche|work adds a bluebrother: to the above |
| 22:48:03 | Zagor | petur: always? |
| 22:48:11 | bluebrother | Bagder: I'd find a link in the side menu to the build page handy. Do you think this is feasible? |
| 22:48:15 | petur | well not always |
| 22:48:23 | roolku | Does anyone has any objections to me committing fs#7487 ? I'll remove a few tabs, test compile a few more targets, but it has proven very useful to many people, so I think it should go in |
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| 22:48:41 | petur | I mean if it has to write but the flushing fails |
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| 22:49:30 | roolku | linuxstb: maybe you have an opinion as the original writer of the mpegplayer plugin? |
| 22:50:41 | Zagor | petur: I can't think of any side effects per se. but if flushing fails there was a problem already. do you have a case where this happens? |
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| 22:51:14 | petur | Zagor: yes: disk full when recording |
| 22:51:32 | petur | it leaves a bunch of lost chains and a zero byte file |
| 22:51:43 | Zagor | ah, good example |
| 22:52:09 | petur | I guess I'll try and see if it behaves |
| 22:52:18 | Zagor | yeah |
| 22:53:05 | pixelma | low_light (for the logs) - radio works here and frequencies/tuning stations seem to be right. I'm using my .fmr and comparing to my Ondio. |
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| 22:53:58 | mister_pink | Bagder: Would it be possible to have http svn for downloads only but not for committing, to prevent any possible problems at the server end? |
| 22:54:12 | Bagder | I guess it is |
| 22:54:40 | desertc | Hello - I have a question - I have a iPod, one of the little tiny ones with no display screen. Is it possible to use rockbox on it, or otherwise wipe the Apple OS and make it compatible with Linux? |
| 22:55:24 | Bagder | that's the shuffle I guess |
| 22:55:29 | Bagder | and no, rockbox doesn't run on it |
| 22:55:53 | desertc | The Apple OS is terrible on it, btw. |
| 22:56:14 | pixelma | low_light: just that volume controls don't work (I'm guessing the keymap was a copy of the e200 one and that uses the scrollwheel... |
| 22:56:18 | desertc | It's constantly having problems, and I figured I could do no worse with an alternative |
| 22:56:30 | petur | yeah, and ;)lousy font rendering |
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| 22:56:57 | desertc | Bagder, Well, I guess it is garbage. Goes to show what you can do with closed-solutions. Garbage after the support stops |
| 22:57:04 | * | petur hates touchpads on notebooks |
| 22:57:35 | miepchen^schlaf | try a thinkpad |
| 22:57:43 | bluebrother | scorche|work: oh, looks like I can't remove single posts in the announcement forums. |
| 22:58:01 | bluebrother | I already PM'ed the poster, can you delete the post for me? |
| 22:58:05 | petur | miepchen^schlaf: because of the little stick? my dell has that too |
| 22:58:39 | bluebrother | thinkpads are great machines. Regardless of the trackpoint (but the trackpoint is really a great thing) |
| 22:58:45 | scorche|work | it is gone :) |
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| 22:58:52 | bluebrother | scorche|work: thanks. |
| 22:59:34 | petur | the problem is I tend to brush the touchpad and that moves the cursor while typing :( |
| 22:59:34 | * | scorche|work is on a thinkpad atm and quite fancies it |
| 22:59:39 | bluebrother | the keyboard in my thinkpad is _great_ −− I never saw such a great keyboard in a laptop :) |
| 22:59:57 | * | petur excuses again for OT chatter |
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| 23:00:13 | scorche|work | bluebrother: plus the trackpoint to keep hands always on the keyboard |
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| 23:00:34 | bluebrother | yeah. Makes life sooo much easier. |
| 23:00:48 | * | scorche|work notes that bluebrother isnt in -community anymore |
| 23:00:55 | bluebrother | on linux I can even scroll with the trackpoing (in x and y direction) |
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| 23:02:30 | eigma | linuxstb_: dare I say that the bitmap build process is broken? |
| 23:03:28 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:04:59 | RaZorbacK | may i annoy you again? is it easily possible to compile my build with my own config.cfg file? |
| 23:05:24 | petur | eigma: tried make veryclean? |
| 23:05:32 | eigma | yes |
| 23:06:02 | eigma | I did a bisection and found which revision broke my build.. and it's pretty unrelated to the bitmap build system.. but I still think there's something wrong with it |
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| 23:06:44 | petur | eigma: I've had this once when I had a typo in a FILES file (added a file but made a mistake) |
| 23:07:27 | luke28072 | ok, In the rockbox database on my 5.5G iPod i have multiples of most songs, however in iTune i have no multiples, whats up? |
| 23:07:45 | * | pixelma is lost in the keyboard files - how the heck do other targets control volume in the radio? |
| 23:08:01 | eigma | petur: either way, I tihnk it's a bug that one problem causes a completely unrelated symptom |
| 23:08:14 | pixelma | usually I can make senes of it by staring at it for a while and comparing back and forth |
| 23:08:18 | linuxstb_ | eigma: What's the problem? |
| 23:08:30 | eigma | linuxstb_: I'm just looking at the dependencies for the bmp2rb rules |
| 23:08:51 | pixelma | errm... keymap, I meant |
| 23:08:51 | eigma | linuxstb_: you only have the *.c files as outputs.. |
| 23:09:49 | eigma | linuxstb_: in reality, bmp2rb has two outputs: *.h, which is needed by $(OBJS) and *.c (which becomes *.o), which is needed by rockbox.elf through $(BITMAPLIBS) |
| 23:10:12 | eigma | if make decides to build $(OBJS) before building $(BITMAPLIBS), there is nothing that causes bmp2rb to be run at the right time |
| 23:10:41 | eigma | am I making sense? |
| 23:10:49 | linuxstb_ | Yes, I think so... |
| 23:11:25 | eigma | I think the "$(OBJDIR)/rockbox.elf" rule in apps/Makefile assumes BITMAPLIBS will be built before OBJS, which is an unsafe assumption |
| 23:11:31 | linuxstb_ | But doesn't the dependencies file itself depend on $(BITMAPLIBS) - meaning bmp2rb is run? |
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| 23:11:49 | eigma | *looking* |
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| 23:12:15 | linuxstb_ | I'm sure that can be done nicer though... |
| 23:12:34 | * | petur starts a recording and crosses fingers |
| 23:12:45 | eigma | I would like to see a "%.h %.c: %.bmp" rule, but I don't know if that's feasible |
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| 23:13:06 | linuxstb_ | Me neither. Bagder? |
| 23:13:21 | Bagder | I don't think it works like that, no |
| 23:13:55 | roolku | linuxstb: did you see my question regarding fs#7487 |
| 23:14:11 | Bagder | but have two separate rules for .h and .c should be equivalent, afaics |
| 23:14:24 | eigma | two rules implies two build commands, which also isnt' the case |
| 23:14:39 | eigma | I seem to recall that GNU make supports multiple outputs.. *pulls up manual* |
| 23:15:00 | eigma | http://www.gnu.org/software/make/manual/html_node/Multiple-Targets.html#Multiple-Targets |
| 23:15:25 | Bagder | ah indeed |
| 23:15:40 | eigma | I suppose it's not quite what I meant, but it has the same effect and is compact. |
| 23:15:56 | linuxstb_ | roolku: I would like jhMikeS to approve/reject that patch - he's the one who's done all the recent work on mpegplayer, and is most likely to go back and implement seeking. |
| 23:16:23 | eigma | I think make will do "ok, let's build abc.h. as a side-effect (and without make knowing) this causes abc.c to get built. when make wants to build abc.c, it sees that it's already there and proceeds". - is that how you interpreted the manual, too? |
| 23:16:31 | roolku | linuxstb: okie, I'll take to him |
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| 23:16:43 | preglow | linuxstb_: then you should ping him and ask him to have a look, he might not have noticed :> |
| 23:16:47 | linuxstb_ | roolku: I tried an early version of the patch though, and didn't like the UI- does it still use a menu to select the seek position, rather than just allowing the user to use FFWD/REW ? |
| 23:17:10 | linuxstb_ | preglow: I have done a couple of times, but he didn't seem interested... |
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| 23:17:33 | roolku | linuxstb: yes, but it is intention for performance reasons |
| 23:17:44 | linuxstb_ | What's the difference? |
| 23:17:59 | roolku | linuxstb: smaller preview window |
| 23:18:15 | eigma | though, even that's broken, because if make decides to parallelise abc.c and abc.h (perhaps due to a -j option), we have a race condition because bmp2rb tries to write to both |
| 23:18:19 | linuxstb_ | It could just change to a smaller preview window when a long press on FFWD/REW is detected. |
| 23:18:25 | roolku | linuxstb: maybe I misunderstand - you use ffwd rew, but not in full screen mode |
| 23:19:29 | roolku | linuxstb: the 'seeking' isn't seeking, it is forwarding to a position in the stream, only done at start time |
| 23:20:10 | roolku | linuxstb: not at an arbitary position in the stream |
| 23:20:40 | linuxstb_ | I thought there were two features - resume and seek? |
| 23:21:21 | roolku | yes, where seek is a special case of resume |
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| 23:21:36 | petur | Zagor: it'll be a bit more work, just forcing a close ends up with a file that looks good but chkdsk is not happy with the filesize :( |
| 23:21:39 | n1s | how can i redirect consol output from a sim to a file '>' doesn't work... |
| 23:21:52 | termin8or123 | hey, how do i make the font bigger in rockbox? |
| 23:21:54 | linuxstb_ | roolku: Then I don't understand your comment that 'seeking' isn't seeking... |
| 23:21:59 | roolku | you get a preview window and "seek" in 0.5s steps trough the clip, then resume from the position |
| 23:22:05 | n1s | termin8or123: use a bigger font |
| 23:22:13 | termin8or123 | how do I do that> |
| 23:22:13 | termin8or123 | ? |
| 23:22:27 | n1s | termin8or123: you look in the fine manual |
| 23:22:31 | eigma | linuxstb_: can we get "bmp2rb -c" to generate only *.c and "bmp2rb -h" to generate only *.h? |
| 23:22:32 | roolku | to me seeking is changing the position in the stream while playing |
| 23:22:35 | Zagor | petur: right, the close assumes the flush worked |
| 23:22:51 | petur | yeah, I figured that much |
| 23:22:52 | linuxstb_ | eigma: Sure, that wouldn't be hard. |
| 23:22:53 | termin8or123 | can u link me to which page in the manual, I can make fonts bigger? |
| 23:23:10 | roolku | the patch allows resuming at a defined position (remembered or selected in the preview) |
| 23:23:20 | petur | Zagor: and the updating of the header of the wav file also failed :( |
| 23:23:22 | linuxstb_ | eigma: But would require processing all bitmaps twice, and calling bmp2rb twice as many times... So maybe it's not an ideal solution either. |
| 23:23:42 | eigma | linuxstb_: you're right. but it's an option and I think it's the only 100% correct solution right now. |
| 23:23:51 | bluebrother | termin8or123: how about searching the manual? |
| 23:23:52 | linuxstb_ | roolku: But whilst playing back a video, you can pause it, select a new time, and then resume playing from that time? |
| 23:23:52 | roolku | jhMikeS: are you around? |
| 23:24:00 | Zagor | petur: with what error? |
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| 23:24:12 | n1s | termin8or123: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-h300/rockbox-buildch10.html#x13-22500010.1.2 |
| 23:24:13 | roolku | linuxstb: no, unfortunately not |
| 23:24:13 | eigma | linuxstb_: in response to your earlier comment that DEPFILE depends on BITMAPLIBS: I don't think it changes anything because OBJS doesn't depend on DEPFILE. so make could choose to build OBJS before both DEPFILE and BITMAPLIBS |
| 23:24:28 | luke28072 | i have multiples of each song in database |
| 23:24:32 | n1s | termin8or123: also in the future you could just use the search box |
| 23:24:43 | luke28072 | how do i fix this |
| 23:24:57 | bluebrother | luke28072: check the recycle bin |
| 23:24:59 | eigma | I have to go for about 30 minutes; will you be around then linuxstb_? |
| 23:25:11 | linuxstb_ | eigma: Probably. |
| 23:25:13 | termin8or123 | ok where can i get bigger fonts? |
| 23:25:14 | luke28072 | recycle bin? |
| 23:25:15 | roolku | linuxstb: you could stop and restart and resume from that time |
| 23:25:37 | petur | Zagor: no idea. I tried to force writing the header on close but I guess that wants to flush too and fails. Have to dig in deeper |
| 23:25:38 | luke28072 | on ipod or pc? |
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| 23:26:42 | linuxstb_ | roolku: Maybe I should try it again... |
| 23:26:57 | roolku | you should. :) |
| 23:27:02 | linuxstb_ | roolku: Also, doesn't it have bitmaps hard-coded in the C files, rather than external bmps? |
| 23:27:05 | termin8or123 | brb |
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| 23:28:13 | roolku | I find it invaluable - watching longer clips without having to start again with any interruption |
| 23:28:38 | roolku | bitmaps - possibly, I'll have to check |
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| 23:28:53 | przemhb | bye |
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| 23:29:59 | roolku | and this patch in svn doesn't stop a better seek mechanism from being implemented |
| 23:30:20 | ruinedtwice | I've encountered two sequences of problematic rockbox installation on a Sansa e280. I'm going to go ahead and specify the problems I've encountered and the recoveries I've stumbled upon. |
| 23:30:48 | pixelma | low_light: got volume control in the c200 radio screen working, just not sure if it is the right way |
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| 23:31:39 | roolku | linuxstb: the guys will keep working on it, but their efforts are hampered by the fact that it keeps getting out of synch |
| 23:32:27 | linuxstb_ | roolku: Yes, I've just been reading the tracker comments. I think they've just been unlucky recently, mpegplayer notmally doesn't get changed at all... |
| 23:34:21 | roolku | yes, there is one bitmap I can see (the start screen for the preview), which can either be ommitted or changed to the build mechanism |
| 23:34:51 | ruinedtwice | First, manual installation of rockbox daily build for 29SEP2007 using sansapatcher 0.4 with 2.0 bootloader, running on a generic XP box, patching factory shipped firmware 1.02.18a. |
| 23:35:23 | ruinedtwice | Installation completed unremarkably, with Rockbox running as expected on the e200. |
| 23:35:32 | maxkelley | pixelma: I've noticed that exiting the radio (holding play/pause) increases the volume. |
| 23:36:15 | pixelma | yeah, didn't notice here but doesn't make me wonder |
| 23:36:16 | maxkelley | could it be that the radio poweroff signals are being sent to the wrong gpio port, and being sent to the same port as the volume buttons? |
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| 23:36:50 | maxkelley | because I'm pretty sure that it's on the wrong GPIO port, otherwise we should get audio. |
| 23:36:56 | pixelma | I think it only has to do with the keymap file, actions and action contexts... |
| 23:37:04 | maxkelley | oh, ok. |
| 23:37:15 | maxkelley | thinking beyond :) |
| 23:37:21 | ruinedtwice | Attempt to boot the original firmware via holding down the "left" button while powering up produced this anomaly: a dark wave began to spread slowly accross the screen until it covered the screen completely, with the blue wheel illuminated. Device remained in this state indefinitely, unresponsive to button pushing / holding. |
| 23:38:10 | linuxstb_ | ruinedtwice: That's a known issue - there's a long forum thread about it. |
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| 23:38:47 | ruinedtwice | Before I describe the recovery from the above described "creeping screen of death" freeze, let me ask: is this a known problem? Has anyone here observed this sequence or heard of it before? I'll wait a bit to see if there's any replies. Thanks. |
| 23:39:07 | Bagder | hehe, linuxstb already replied |
| 23:39:18 | bluebrother | seems he has quite some lag |
| 23:39:19 | Bagder | it's a bug in the current bootloader |
| 23:40:55 | pixelma | maxkelley: currently (on all other targets with radio) volume control in the radio screen uses the increase/decrease "actions" (which is up and down in the c200 keymap) that are defined in context_settings. In the context_radio there are other actions mapped to up and down which override these... (iiuc) |
| 23:41:07 | maxkelley | pixelma: ah, ok. |
| 23:41:32 | maxkelley | well, either way, the actual hardware radio interfacing isn't working :) |
| 23:41:46 | ruinedtwice | linuxstb_ thanks for the heads up. I'll go and dig up that thread before posting my own recovery story here, just in case my recovery is SOP. |
| 23:42:09 | pixelma | maxkelley: did you see the patch low_light posted earlier? Radio works with it (for me) |
| 23:42:43 | maxkelley | pixelma: oh, no, I didn't. |
| 23:42:45 | maxkelley | wheee! |
| 23:43:09 | maxkelley | I shal pull it up. |
| 23:43:13 | ruinedtwice | Ok now I'm going to go ahead and describe the seconnd problematic installation. |
| 23:43:31 | pixelma | maxkelley: about 1:15h ago |
| 23:44:09 | maxkelley | I searched radio in fs, to no avail. |
| 23:44:26 | pixelma | he posted it here in the channel |
| 23:44:52 | maxkelley | oh, ok. |
| 23:44:57 | maxkelley | logs, then.. |
| 23:45:15 | pixelma | maybe someone should remind him about the tracker - or should I put my version up there with volume control? |
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| 23:45:52 | maxkelley | if you'd like, yeah. just mention the original patch. |
| 23:46:02 | petur | pixelma: yes, and then ask Llorean a Developer badge too ;) |
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| 23:47:10 | pixelma | haha... |
| 23:47:21 | maxkelley | oh, it is gpioh. |
| 23:47:41 | maxkelley | ah, well. just affirms my stupidity :) |
| 23:49:16 | pixelma | I needed to do a make clean - first time compiling without it failed because of the new LANG_* entries somehow |
| 23:50:29 | maxkelley | hm. |
| 23:50:43 | maxkelley | I just did an svn update, I'm applying the patch, and will compile in a moment. |
| 23:50:59 | ruinedtwice | First, installation of Sansa firmware 1.03.01 via 01.03.01.exe executed on a generic XP box, overwriting 1.02.18a using "e200fw01[1].02.18a.zip" as source. |
| 23:51:37 | maxkelley | hm. |
| 23:51:45 | maxkelley | for some reason, it takes a long time for patch to work. |
| 23:51:55 | maxkelley | pixelma: what flags do you normally use with patch? |
| 23:51:58 | ruinedtwice | And then patching 1.03.01 with sansapatcher as in the previously cited issue, using the same above cited version of rockbox. |
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| 23:52:40 | pixelma | maxkelley: that one worked just with -p0 for me |
| 23:53:23 | maxkelley | it shouldn't take longer than a couple seconds, should it? |
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| 23:54:02 | maxkelley | whoops, I forgot the -i flag :) |
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| 23:54:49 | ruinedtwice | Rockbox then boots and runs as expected, however the following problem occurs when attempting to boot original firmware via "left" button protocol: scroll of text showing boot sequence to original firmware commencing, but terminating at CRC confirmation line. Device remains frozen indefinitely. linuxstb_ ? −− also documented? |
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| 23:55:24 | petur | maxkelley: you can also patch -p0 < file.patch |
| 23:55:39 | maxkelley | true. |
| 23:56:01 | maxkelley | or cat file.patch | patch -p0 :) |
| 23:56:43 | Bagder | ruinedtwice: does it say that it fails the crc check? I mean, how is the output on the OF start different between your two cases? |
| 23:57:06 | chandlerc | I have an iPod Classic, and am hoping to help out with anyone working on a port (really help out, i'm not trolling for stuff) |
| 23:57:20 | Bagder | chandlerc: I don't think anyone is working on it |
| 23:57:30 | Bagder | the encryption is very very nasty |
| 23:57:33 | chandlerc | lovely |
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| 23:58:34 | chandlerc | is there anything constructive I can do at this point? |
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