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#rockbox log for 2007-10-06

00:00:08zichonot exactly, but i dont think there is a way to do what i wanted. Its okay though.
00:02:45markunzicho: I would also like to go out of a plugin to add some songs to my playlist and go back again
00:03:17toffe82zicho: you want something like switching between the now playing and a plugin for example ?
00:03:53*jhMikeS is going to run another test with the lcd clock source registers being change but _not_ TIMER1 on the COP since he negleted this combo
00:04:10zichotoffe82: no, for example if im browsing some files, then i want to hop to "now playing", and then go right back to browsing plugins.
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00:07:00toffe82zicho: it is the same I mentionned plug in but it can be any other screen, like on a tv the function to switch previous viewed channel and actual channel
00:07:35zichoahhh, thats sweet.
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00:08:38jhMikeSthat combo isn't stable...hrm
00:08:48jhMikeScrash at 1908 tests
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00:09:40toffe82zicho: you can create a shortcut to the now playing and place it in each folder , so you have half of what you want :)
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00:12:23zichotoffe82: Is that plugin installed by default? I cant find it.
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00:12:59DefineByteWhen I try to build the manual I get this error: ! LaTeX Error: File `utf8x.def' not found.
00:13:00DefineByteAny ideas?
00:13:15DefineByteWhere do I get that from?
00:13:22DefineByteor should I already have it?
00:13:30pixelmayes, you seem to be missing the unicode package
00:13:43pixelma(or your setupp :D)
00:13:59amiconnjhMikeS: Runtime test started (with your patch + dev reset enabled for the small H10)
00:14:18pixelmaDefineByte: are you building on windows are linux?
00:15:16jhMikeSamiconn: since there's two bits and based on the code, I take it that CLCD_CLOCK_SOURCE bits 30 and 31 select one of source #1-#4, correct?
00:15:35amiconnBut selecting source 1 or 2 makes it hang
00:15:47amiconn0 and 3 work
00:15:58pixelmaDefineByte: ok... then you need to install the package manually, the ManualHowto explains it a bit
00:16:25jhMikeSI haven't tried it without the COP interrupt though...maybe a quick test
00:16:37DefineBytethanks. I'll check it out (again x))
00:17:55pixelmaDefineByte: it's the same as the manual installation described for linux and I put the file there were cygwin told me it looked for (above the error message it was I think)
00:18:23pixelmaerrm... the manual installation of the unicode package, I meant
00:18:41toffe82zicho: I never use it ;) the wiki says use the context menu and you have the option add shortcut
00:18:48DefineBytethanks again :)
00:21:57jhMikeShmmm...using #1 isn't hanging now...up to 3000 tests so far
00:22:20amiconn0 is 24MHz, 3 is PLL
00:23:42amiconnThe temporary switch to 24MHz during pll reprogramming is from the ipod color firmware. Back in July, the color froze a lot without that measure
00:23:46jhMikeSI'm think 0,1,2,3
00:24:09jhMikeS7000 tests
00:24:15amiconnWhen I tested, 1 or 2 made it hang immediately, always
00:25:08amiconnMaybe I did something wrong back then
00:25:22jhMikeSwhat key sets CPUFREQ_DEFAULT on H10?
00:25:37amiconnA test_fps run at 80MHz would be interesting with 1 or 2
00:25:38jhMikeSoh, found it
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00:26:28amiconnCompared to? (at 3)
00:26:29jhMikeS1/2 the #0 results
00:26:33Fordibolowhere can i read about how to create my own WPS?
00:26:42amiconnSo 24MHz for all except 3
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00:28:18jhMikeS0x40000000 isn't #2?
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00:28:29Fordibolo``hi again
00:28:32jhMikeSI'll try 0x80000000
00:28:32Fordibolo``where can i read about how to create my own WPS?
00:30:09pixelmaSimpleGuideToWPSMaking, CustomWPS in the wiki and study other WPSs
00:30:16jhMikeSstill 1/2 the usual
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00:33:20amiconnjhMikeS: Huh, 1/2 of the results of #0?
00:33:34amiconnI would expect that #1 and #2 are equally fast as #0
00:33:48amiconn..and #3 more than twice as fast (at 80 MHz)
00:36:12jhMikeSyou set 0xc0000000, 0x40000000 and 0x80000000 both gave 1/2 frame rate of SVN
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00:45:21DefineBytewell, as far as I know everything is in the right place and it still won't build the manual >><
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00:47:55pixelmaDefineByte: did you run the mktexlsr command?
00:48:46pixelmaIIRC you can run it from everywhere, as I understood it'll collect the correct paths
00:48:58DefineByteit's late, I'm tired, yadayadayada :D
00:52:07DefineByte./getting_started/installation.tex:149: Package utf8x Error: Character 145 appeared alone.
00:52:07DefineByteI have no idea where to begin with that one.
00:52:10*pixelma is a bit confused too but ok
00:52:47DefineByteit wants a friend? :/
00:53:34pixelmahmm... no idea now. I think bluebrother would be the best to talk to
00:54:14DefineByteshame he's not around then. Ah well, thanks for your help
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00:56:25pixelmawait... is that already with your changes to the installation.tex?
00:56:47DefineByteyes. I'm guessing an error somewhere
00:57:02pixelmain line 149, I think
00:58:12pixelmatried to build an svn manual too?
00:58:23zichoCan someone link me to the site about in rockbox? I cant find it in the wiki.
00:58:26luckyone_hello all, I just reinstalled today's build of rockbox on my ipod mini 2g and it loads rockbox, and just says "Rockbox loaded.", doesn't take me to the file menu like usual
00:58:29DefineByteno, good idea x)
00:59:11pixelmaDefineByte: because I'm not sure if it still got to do with your unicode package or if it's an error in your "code"
00:59:26ddaltonhas anyone got to time to see if one of my patches compile with no errors or warnings?
00:59:37ddaltonhas anyone got time
01:00:14zichothank you very much toffe82.
01:00:46syn4psewhen you call a button_get(true), then call another button_get(true), how come the second acts like button_get(false)?
01:02:16syn4psei have tried a button_clear_queue() with no effect.
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01:03:47Zagordo we support the flash reader on the sansas?
01:04:08pixelmathe flash reader?
01:04:13Zagormicrosd slot
01:04:45pixelmaon the e series yes (even sdhc) - not yet on the c200
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01:07:02Zagordo you know if it is because the hw is different or because nobody has tested?
01:07:06DefineBytehmm, it builds
01:07:12DefineBytebut with a few errors
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01:07:31DefineByteI guess it's a problem with my edits then
01:08:19pixelmaZagor: I think it's again hooked up differently, I'm not sure but I think low_light was trying some things today (but didn't follow closely)
01:09:18luckyone_pixelma: how big does sdhc for microSD?
01:09:46iambenluckyone_: 4gb
01:09:48pixelmaZagor: he once said he had no card so couldn't try. Don't know if that's changed recently
01:11:41luckyone_iamben: yes, 4gb - 2nd generation
01:11:50luckyone_heh, sorry!
01:12:06luckyone_iamben: I thought you were helping me with my iPod mini boot issue!
01:12:28iambenno ipod here
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01:12:45luckyone_I have sansa e260 and ipod mini
01:13:08luckyone_the build I just put on my mini doesn't get past the "Rockbox loaded." screen
01:13:11zichotoffe82: Have you gotten mpegplayer to work fine with gigabeat?
01:13:45toffe82zicho : i didn't use it for a long time but it was working fine
01:14:03zichowhat did you use for encoding?
01:14:23toffe82zicho: test first with the movie elephant dream
01:14:24pixelmaluckyone_: how old was the build you had on before?
01:14:38zichoi tried encoding with mencoder, and it worked fine in mplayer. But on the gigabeat I didnt get any picture and the audio was slow.
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01:15:56toffe82zicho: do you use the settings from the wiki ?
01:16:47zichotoffe82: that took like 100 years to encode.
01:19:00zichoeven for just a 21 minute long avi-file, 640 x 480.
01:19:58luckyone_pixelma: probably pretty old...
01:20:18luckyone_pixelma: probably 4 to 6 months? maybe more...
01:21:25luckyone_zicho: I am also how long it takes my dual core machine to encode at sansa's resolution
01:21:43luckyone_zicho: i am also *flabergasted*
01:22:19toffe82zicho: I don't know so much because I don't use it for a long time now , perhaps somebody else can answer better than me
01:23:03zicholuckyone_: Im experimenting with mencoder settings and such. Can notify you if a find a good way.
01:23:21pixelmamaybe you need to update your bootloader then, especially if it's more. The manual also has updae intructions (part of the installation instructions) and if you still find a rockbox.ipod file in the root of your player you need to delete it. It is in the .rockbox directory now and the zip comes set up correctly
01:23:37luckyone_what do the permissions on .rockbox/ need to be?
01:24:11luckyone_is -drwx−−−−−− fine?
01:24:22luckyone_excuse me drwx−−−−−−
01:24:49Zagorpixelma: I got a card with the new c240 for testing, and it isn't mounted on boot and no activity on card change
01:25:19pixelmaluckyone_: no idea, I just unzip it and don't care about these, it comes correctly (note: I also don't have an Ipod)
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01:26:04Zagorand it seems to me like all the necessary code is enabled. so perhaps there is some difference.
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01:26:44signutsHey.I'm going to return my stupid 6th gen classic ipod
01:26:51pixelmaZagor: doesn't it need to be enabled (some bits or so, which I believe are different to the e200)?
01:26:55signutsand prolly pickup a device that supports rockbox
01:27:09signutsIs there a page that shows what is supported by each device?
01:27:41Zagorpixelma: yeah there is a card detect function that checks gpio pins. those could differ.
01:27:56linuxstbsignuts: Try and
01:28:09signutsahh. Here we are
01:28:40pixelmaZagor: yeah, I meant pins... *am tired*
01:28:43signutsI like ipod, but I just got a 6th gen and am getting rid of it because apple intentially hurts the competition
01:28:59zicho6th gen is the latest isnt it?
01:29:13Zagorpixelma: well, they are bits in the register so that is correct too :)
01:31:21pixelmabut I say goodnight now...
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01:35:24zichosignuts: How does rockbox work on it? Does it, even?
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01:35:50krazykitzicho, rockbox doesn't run on the 6th gen ipods.
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01:36:28signutszicho, I guess I should try before I return it :)
01:36:28Zagorlow_light: have you looked anything on the sd slot on c200?
01:36:44linuxstbzicho: Apple completely changed their hardware design starting with the 2nd gen Nano, including a brand new CPU. So it will need a brand new port for Rockbox to work on it.
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01:36:59low_lightZagor: I'll be brief...the microsd detection is on GPIOL bit 0x8 (I think, check the debug screen as you insert). I haven't figured out how to enable the interrupts for it.
01:37:40low_lightPerhaps you can have a'll notice in pp5024.h that there are two different gpio masks
01:38:03low_lightI couldn't get either to work
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01:38:36ZagorGPIOL bit 0x8 looks right
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01:42:47zichoIs the mpeg player designed to play movies in wide screen? because when i played a movie it flipped the picture 90 degrees so i hade to turn the player 90 degrees to make it look right.
01:43:12ZagorI'm off to bed
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01:44:02|Rain|zicho: the sansa is, yes
01:44:25zichoI guess that gigabeat is too. Because it has a "vertical" screen.
01:47:07|Rain|what does stkov mean, anyway?
01:47:32XavierGr_stack overflow
01:48:06XavierGr_and yeah at first I thought it was a russian surname :P
01:48:24|Rain|oh. well, that seems obvious now that I know
01:48:24|Rain|hahah, that's what I thought too :D
01:50:03zichoSergej Stkov.
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01:51:54zicholuckyone_: Managed to get movies workin fine.
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02:01:33|Rain|apparently, I overflowed the stack in thread "" on core 6...
02:01:36*|Rain| grumbles
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02:18:40nugget240Hello, I have been trying to get rockbox on my sansa e260R but when I run the e200tool i get "Control message (-71, Protocol error)". I had it finish once but my sansa screen said "keys locked" and shut off. Any help is appreciated
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02:21:45ddaltonwhere is the actions for buttons in the menus?
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02:26:29^TiLT^hi all
02:26:54^TiLT^gives a version for the 3gen of the Ipod nano ?
02:30:03sin613only 1st gen nano
02:30:48^TiLT^fuck fuck
02:31:13advcomp2019nugget240, are you using sudo when doing the steps
02:32:50advcomp2019nugget240, are you reading the steps right
02:35:56^TiLT^iss angapod cool alternate to itunes ?
02:37:27advcomp2019that is off topic ^TiLT^
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02:40:08nugget240advcomp2019: thank you for the response. When i use sudo it asks the password but it wont accept it so I have not been using sudo
02:41:09advcomp2019that can be your issue nugget240
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02:42:34nugget240Alright, thank you for the help. I'll try a few things and hope it works
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03:01:27nugget240A little update. I tried multiple times using sudo and logged in as root and every time I still get "Control message (-71, Protocol error)". Is there anything else that could be causing this?
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03:05:23advcomp2019nugget240, are you sure you have r series
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03:05:50nugget240on the back it says model: e260r
03:06:00nugget240in the menu there are rhapsody options
03:07:47advcomp2019nugget240, ok, are you holding the REC button when do the e200tool
03:07:55nugget240every time
03:12:28advcomp2019nugget240, which linux distro are you using
03:12:50nugget240currently I'm using pclinux2007
03:13:15nugget240I also tried using ubuntu
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03:38:46ddaltonwhat file is go_to_recscreen declared in?
03:44:04advcomp2019nugget240, are you using manufacturing mode when using the e200tool
03:45:47nugget240I hold the center button and plug in the usb cable then the light turns blue
03:46:57advcomp2019nugget240, do you have the hold switch turned on
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03:50:08DrumrHello, i have just created a post in the "new ports" section of the forum and i am curious to know if anyone shares my interest in porting rockbox to the "mp4 watch" AKA Anlong AD688FM
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03:50:45Drumr this is my post
03:52:50krazykitnew ports are started by people with both the inclination and know-how.
03:53:34krazykitif you don't know C and have some embedded experience, you need someone who does that has the device. meaningful work generally won't be done by people that don't have the device, especially because it's a new port
03:54:13Drumralright. i figured it would be an interesting project because many cheap chinese players share this infastructure
03:55:06krazykitif they share the same chips, there might be another port with a little headway on the forums.
03:55:20*ATravelingGeek wonders if it'd be possible to port rockbox to a car head unit
03:55:54krazykitin any case, you ought to read this:
03:57:24Drumryup ive read it thanks
03:57:37Drumractually i'd like to request write status in the wiki...
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03:57:58Drumrill post up the info (and pictures) i have if thats alright
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04:07:48Drumrdoes anyone here have the privileges to grant me write status?
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04:13:47TMMDrumr: what are you intending on changing? :)
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04:16:04TMMDrumr: forget that, I don't know how to anyway
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04:25:37DrumrTMM: i want to change the firmware to Rockbox :-D
04:25:49Drumrand i want write status to make a page on the AD866FM
04:27:14TMMDrumr: I don't know HOW :)
04:29:18Drumr:-) thats ok
04:29:47XavierGrDrumr: one moment if I recall correctly a subscribed member has to add you somewhere
04:30:01XavierGrI think I can do it but I don't remember how :P
04:30:27DrumrXavier... your nick seems familiar
04:30:42Drumrthe status can wait, its not a big deal
04:30:55XavierGrDrumr: have you registered?
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04:31:09Drumrunder "PerryC"
04:31:10XavierGrDrumr: familiar as for the XavierGr or only the Xavier part?
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04:32:00Drumrum not sure, i recall your name in the h3x0's perhaps?
04:32:45XavierGrI am not sure maybe
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04:32:58Drumri was big with the h300's, then moved to ipod 5g. now, my clickwheels broke so im using a zen micro and im trying to get the mp4 watch to be usable :-/
04:33:00XavierGrdamn it I don't remember/know how to add you, let me search a little bit more on this
04:33:14Drumrits alright dont knock yourself out i can wait
04:33:15XavierGr(maybe I can't I don't have a clue :P )
04:33:44psycho_maniacXavierGr: you add there name to a wiki page?
04:34:27XavierGryes, I think so
04:34:33XavierGrI think I found it let me try
04:35:30psycho_maniacit has something to do with write privileges but i cant find that wiki page
04:35:38XavierGrDrumr: try now
04:36:19psycho_maniacXavierGr: what page was it? just to to cure my curiosity.
04:37:08XavierGrDrumr: now I think you can add users too, so if anyone asks for add him there :)
04:37:34psycho_maniacdo you know what it means when a name is highlighted?
04:37:38XavierGrDrumr: Thought I think that your wiki name should have your surname too
04:37:52XavierGrpsycho_maniac: I think it has a wiki link
04:38:12Drumrits listed its just not the display name i suppose?
04:38:17XavierGrnew users must make a page with their wiki name
04:38:17Drumrnot sure
04:38:25XavierGrthen their wiki name is linkified
04:39:17psycho_maniacoh i see.
04:39:23XavierGrDrumr: did you make a new page with your wiki name or was it created automatically?
04:39:40XavierGrah forget that
04:39:50XavierGrhow it could be generated automatically with your details?
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05:24:21SS_AZis there a way i can run threw the files quick? scroll wheel is very slow.
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05:26:48SS_AZalso what does crossfeed do
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05:27:27sidHow can I tell what version of rockbox I have?
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05:29:37SS_AZgoto the system menu then version
05:30:36sidI have a really low battery
05:30:39sidI'm charing, heh.
05:30:47sidI can't go to menu or anything while it charges
05:31:06sidI want to update it to the latest version, this is probably about a year old
05:32:00VGambit`if you eject the ipod (or whatever it is) you should be able to use it while charging
05:32:02sidI just download that and unzip it?
05:32:04sidis it that simple?
05:32:15sidVGambit`: ahh, good idea.
05:32:27VGambit`sid, what do you use to put music on rockbox?
05:33:08sidmv* rather
05:33:39sidI umounted the usb device, it says "ok to disconnect", but it still doesn't let me go to menu.
05:34:35sidAll I do is unzip that url onto my rockbox.. overwrite the rockbox.ipod binary.. and it's updated to the latest?
05:35:04SS_AZvgambit maybe you can help me
05:35:12VGambit`sid dunno
05:35:13SS_AZthe scroll speed in display menu isnt working
05:35:17SS_AZi have 25000 mp3s
05:35:20VGambit`SS_AZ I have no idea
05:35:27VGambit`I just started using this yesterday
05:35:30SS_AZand scrolling takes over 15 minutes literally, it goes 1 by 1 :\
05:35:40VGambit`sid is that in rockbox or apple fw?
05:35:41SS_AZvery hard to drive and browse!!
05:35:47SS_AZyou want me driving next to you looking at 6px font
05:35:51SS_AZfor 15 minutes? i dont think so!
05:35:54SS_AZhelp me out lol
05:35:59VGambit`SS_AZ set up playlists
05:36:05SS_AZi have playlists
05:36:10SS_AZand they are over 1500 songs in each
05:36:16SS_AZi still wanna select single songs from my playlist
05:36:21SS_AZcause i drive a lot
05:36:24VGambit`that defeats the purpose
05:36:24SS_AZand dont like making play lists daily
05:36:28SS_AZno it doesnt
05:36:34SS_AZi have 25000 mp3s from full albums
05:36:39VGambit`I drive 750 miles a week
05:36:44SS_AZof those, i create albums of my favorite music
05:36:50SS_AZand whil ei am at home, i have the same music playing 24/7
05:37:00VGambit`set aside an hour or two to make playlists of stuff you life
05:37:03VGambit`better yet
05:37:08SS_AZ2 hours a day is a lot
05:37:16SS_AZbetter yet, software should work :)
05:37:18VGambit`only put music you like on your ipod in the first place
05:37:22SS_AZive installed it for a reason
05:37:25SS_AZipods main interface was still better
05:37:30SS_AZonly bad thing was it took 10 minutes to get into
05:37:32VGambit`that way you just hit shuffle or whatever
05:37:38VGambit`if you don't like it, hit skip
05:37:44SS_AZand when i need to find my song
05:37:47SS_AZat the end of 15000 files?/
05:37:56VGambit`and SS_AZ there are themes with big fonts
05:37:57SS_AZi side swipe you :P
05:38:06VGambit`then I sue you
05:38:08SS_AZyeah big fonts still wont help when the songs
05:38:10SS_AZonly go 1 x 1
05:38:12SS_AZlol good luck
05:38:16SS_AZid leave the country and youd be fucked
05:38:24VGambit`not before the cops hit the scene
05:38:30SS_AZwanna bet?
05:38:32SS_AZ30 minutes to mexico :p
05:38:39VGambit`at the very least you lose your car
05:38:44VGambit`then you can never come back to the US
05:38:45VGambit`come on
05:38:48SS_AZactually yeah you can
05:38:53SS_AZ3 years after that type of incident
05:38:54SS_AZand you cant sue ;)
05:38:55VGambit`and get arrested
05:38:56SS_AZand i can come back
05:39:01VGambit`hit and run = illegal
05:39:04SS_AZyeah and after 3 years
05:39:07SS_AZthey cant do anything ;)
05:39:15VGambit`I thought it was 20 something years?
05:39:22VGambit`or is that just for certain crimes?
05:39:23SS_AZno, only if someones hurt
05:39:30VGambit`and if I'm hurt? lol
05:39:37SS_AZthen youre a .. i cant say ;X
05:39:46VGambit`ow I skinned my kneww
05:39:54VGambit`there's an injury
05:40:03SS_AZlol smart ass
05:40:13VGambit`anyway SS_AZ I have no idea
05:40:19VGambit`I complained about scroll speed myself
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05:50:01SS_AZdarn thank you anyway man :)
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06:08:40SS_AZhomielowe, the scroll settings in rockbox are not rockbox topics?
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06:56:59psycho_maniacMerthsoft: go here and find out:
06:58:57Merthsofti don't get it
07:02:14psycho_maniacthis should explain some of it
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07:26:37psycho_maniacim having an error compiling a build i even compiled in a new folder and still got the error. i just patched this a couple days ago. what is wrong?
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07:37:11psycho_maniacwonder what i did wrong. it seems to be compiling correctly now
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08:02:36psycho_maniacalright anybody know why i am getting this error?
08:03:06psycho_maniacim thinking since i reverted the patch cleaned up the folder and even compiled in a new folder that the patch is out of date
08:03:55amiconnjhMikeS: Looks like my battery isn't the best anymore. 5h 05min runtime... pretty impressive for that H10. I'll compare with SVN just to be sure
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08:05:48psycho_maniacany other opinions why i get this error?
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08:10:27psycho_maniacok now looking at the info that comes up when i patch i get a hunk failed
08:11:18psycho_maniacso would that mean its out of date?
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08:42:39sin613should __backlight_on() be getting called every single time i press a button?
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08:45:24scorche|ltopmuch better..
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08:54:20sin613which file contains the code that determines when to shut the backlight off due to lack of keypresses?
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09:15:20|Rain|sin613: what platform?
09:18:17|Rain|sin613: firmware/backlight.c, backlight_tick
09:20:57|Rain|backlight_tick is probably what you're looking for, but there's backlight_thread as well
09:21:03sin613that's the one i'm reading through. i had made some adjustments to backlight-x5.c, and noticed that every time i press a button __backlight_on is being called
09:22:04sin613that is, whether or not the backlight is already on
09:22:38|Rain|backlight_on seems to be the de facto method of saying "turn on the backlight if it's off and reset the backlight timer"
09:24:00amiconnMore precisely it says "turn on the backlight if it's off _and not disabled_, and reset the backlight timer
09:24:48amiconnThe backlight tick handles the countdown(s), but the actual switching happens in the backlight thread
09:25:16sin613yes, but __backlight_on within backlight-x5.c isn't doing any checks. it just changes the irq level and does its pcf50606_write.
09:26:42sin613is the checking for a current backlight state supposed to occur in __backlight_on?
09:27:46amiconnbacklight_on() is the official interface
09:28:08amiconn__backlight_on() is only meant to be called from the backlight thread
09:28:31sin613i understand, i'm not trying to make any calls to __backlight_on()
09:28:53sin613i am just noting that it is being called one way or another every time a button is pressed, regardless of whether the backlight is already on
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09:29:34sin613please forgive me, i'm just trying to understand how things are set up right now... familiarizing myself with the code base
09:30:07amiconnYes, it is called every time. Doesn't hurt and keeps the code simple...
09:30:56sin613is changing irqs with every button press expensive? let's take playing doom as an example...
09:31:32sin613not just changing irq levels, but also the pcf50606_write
09:31:44|Rain|does that code actually get run when you're in doom?
09:31:49|Rain|(on every button press)
09:31:59sin613i don't know, i'm not that intimate with the code base. :)
09:32:21|Rain|speaking of backlights
09:32:41|Rain|I wonder if anyone has made a patch that fades the backlight in/out instead of a simple on/off transition
09:32:53sin613that's what i was working on
09:33:28|Rain|looks like someone made one for the e200, but it has problems:
09:33:29sin613the problem is that it's all jerky unless the fade loop happens between changing irq levels
09:33:43amiconnRockbox already has backlight fading, but that's not possible on the X5
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09:34:02sin613it's possible, but it's an ugly hack
09:34:17sin613because the code has to go in backlight-x5.c... and it shouldn't go there
09:34:28amiconnIt requires either a backlight that's controlled via GPIO (like on iriver H1x0, ipods), or a backlight pwm controller with enough steps
09:34:49amiconnThe pwm steps of the pcf50606 are too coarse for fading (only 13 usable steps)
09:35:00sin613amiconn: i've already tested it on my x5. it's a cheap fade, but it's a fade
09:35:27sin613it looks more polished than on/off
09:35:33sin613but there's no clean way to do it
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09:35:49sin613coming back to __backlight_on() being called with every button press...
09:36:47sin613since the fading is jerky unless it happens inside __backlight_on()... well, every time you press a button the backlight fades in (fairly smoothly, i might add)
09:37:08|Rain|track the backlight state with a static or global var?
09:38:51sin613that would be nice
09:39:05amiconnThe backlight thread would have to handle such a fade, in conjunction with the backlight tick
09:39:56amiconnBut on targets where the backlight is hooked to the pcf, it's really not worth it
09:40:10sin613i thought it was worth it when i tested it
09:40:29sin613so now i've got what i like
09:40:52amiconnOn gigabeat it might be better with its 64 pwm steps
09:40:55sin613buuut, i have to make backlight_on() check if the backlight is already on
09:41:03amiconn(the software pwm on H1x0 and ipod uses 100 steps)
09:41:24amiconnsin613: Nope, you'd have to add code to the backlight tick and backlight thread
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09:41:40sin613the fading on those is much better, no doubt
09:41:47amiconn__backlight_on() is the hardware specific code to switch the light on, unconditionally
09:42:23amiconnOn X5, you have very few steps left if the backlight isn't set to full brightness
09:42:31*amiconn has usually set it to 8..10
09:42:57amiconnAnd fade-in is a bad idea on colour LCDs, unless it's a very quick fade-in
09:43:26|Rain|I'd vote for very quick fade-in anyway, but just out of curiosity −− why single out colour LCDs?
09:43:29amiconnWhat I (still) want to implement is a half-bright step before switching the backlight off
09:43:52amiconnBecause colour LCDs are (usually) unreadable without backlight
09:44:00amiconnThere are very few exceptions
09:44:28amiconn(the only rockbox targets with transflective colour LCDs are the ipod video and nano)
09:45:43|Rain|ah, I see what you're saying
09:46:08|Rain|half-bright step −− you mean a second timer at half brightness before fading completely? (as many cell phones do)
09:47:17ddaltonamiconn: have you got time to answer a couple of questions?
09:47:20amiconnOn targets that have hardware pwm, i.e. iaudio X5 and iriver H300, and probably gigabeat (but that I can't do myself)
09:47:50amiconnThe half-bright step would of course be configurable
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09:48:23|Rain|I think I'd like that even more than fading, though I'd like to see both (I'd prefer a fairly quick fade out and an even quicker fade in, so the lack of brightness steps probably wouldn't be a terribly big deal −− I'd have to it, though)
09:49:06|Rain|I don't even know if you can send the messages fast enough on the e200 since the backlight is controlled via i2c
09:56:27amiconnOn X5 it's also i2c controlled
09:57:02amiconn..and on several other targets too - that's the reason why __backlight_on() isn't called directly from the backlight tick
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10:00:36sin613what is the user setting for backlight brightness?
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10:47:41sin613is there a nanosleep() in rockbox?
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11:01:01pixelmalinuxstb: you just wanted to get that revision... ;)
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11:11:18linuxstbpixelma: ;) I didn't notice...
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11:15:40sin613can any of the functions in backlight.c access the backlight value in settings?
11:18:18linuxstbsin613: Not directly - firmware code has no knowledge of apps/. But there should be a function exported by firmware/ which the apps code calls to tell firmware the current backlight setting - probably set_backlight_something...
11:19:39sin613i know i can backlight_set_brightness(), but i'm hoping i can retrieve the value that's already set
11:20:03ddaltonsin613: you mean in the source code?
11:20:52sin613i've got a quick backlight fade in/out for the x5 (verrrry quick), but i'm just going between MIN_ and MAX_BACKLIGHT_SETTING
11:21:08sin613ideally i would be using the user setting as the max
11:21:32ddaltonsin613: settings.h might help. It has all the variables that hold the value of the settings (I think)
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11:21:50sin613i'll give it a check
11:21:59ddaltonanyway timeformat is in it and that is a setting ("time format" setting)
11:22:14ddaltonwhat exactly are you looking for?
11:22:28sin613the user-selected backlight brightness
11:22:45pixelmasin613: can't you just look up and compare how it's done for Ipods and H100?
11:23:03sin613the fading?
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11:24:02pixelmayes, and how that 'interacts' with the other brightness settings
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11:25:28sin613(02:39:05 AM) amiconn: The backlight thread would have to handle such a fade, in conjunction with the backlight tick
11:25:29sin613(02:39:56 AM) amiconn: But on targets where the backlight is hooked to the pcf, it's really not worth it
11:25:50sin613the x5 has backlight hooked to the pcf, so i don't believe i can go about it in a similar manner
11:27:05sin613i could be wrong, way wrong
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11:27:39sin613but my understanding as to why the x5 never received fading was because it couldn't be done the same way as ipods
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11:32:22JdGordonhey all
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11:52:23JdGordonpixelma: you round?
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11:58:22pixelmaround? I hope you won't describe me this way... ;)
11:58:37JdGordoni know better than to even suggest that sort of thing :)
11:58:54JdGordonwill you be terribly annoyed if I commit the themes menu cleanup?
11:59:12JdGordonwant to get it in before i have to really start exam studying :p
11:59:21_spanner_How can I quickly scroll throuch a long list of songs on an ipod video? The manual talks about using the "fast forward" and "rewind" buttons to get accelerated scrolling, but the ipod video doesn't have these buttons...
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12:00:39pixelmaJdGordon: hmm... maybe not - but I haven't tried the patch yet so can't comment on in detail
12:00:52JdGordonim asking more for the lack pf maual update
12:01:08JdGordoni highly doubt anyone would feel the change is for the worse
12:02:19pixelmaI figured but I can't tell for sure what I would rate higher - the benefit it could bring (because I haven't tried) or the lack of the manual update...
12:04:21JdGordonas for the PLA message, yeah, not my finest hour :p I'd remove it if I wasnt so lazy :p
12:04:53pixelmamaybe I'm not the best to talk to, that's what I wanted to say
12:06:43IsolinearWhat is the themes and menu cleanup?
12:07:09JdGordonfs#7458 i think
12:07:39JdGordon7864 even
12:07:46JdGordon3/4 numbers right :D
12:12:39pixelmano wonder you hate maths :P
12:12:57IsolinearSo how would the menus tree out once this is applied?
12:13:09JdGordonthe only change is in one of the comments
12:13:21JdGordonjust cleans up the lcd settings menu under display setings
12:13:34JdGordonunless you have a colour tagret youll never notice it
12:13:57Isolinear5G ;)
12:15:28IsolinearDid the line selector stuff get put into a submenu or is it still in Theme Settings with this patch?
12:15:49stripwaxAny demand for a translucent line selector?
12:16:29JdGordonIsolinear: its now in a submenu
12:16:34JdGordonstripwax: go for it :D
12:16:41IsolinearI demand an accelerated selector... :P
12:17:49Isolinear7738 anyone? :D
12:18:22IsolinearJdGordon: Looks good. I say go for it.
12:18:37JdGordoncare to right up the manul entry for it?
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12:21:06IsolinearSure, as soon as I figure out how to edit it... :)
12:21:58JdGordonjhMikeS: (reading thorugh logs) I patched my bootloader ages ago to boot from the mSD, but never commited that code
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12:23:02IsolinearJdGordon: Appears to be a bit more complex than simply making changes to a wiki... Care to give me a crash course in contributing to the manual?
12:23:33JdGordonnot really... pixelma will be able to point you int he right direction though
12:24:17IsolinearI'm all ears.
12:24:40IsolinearWhatever.. Someone teach me.. lol
12:27:16pixelmaIsolinear: it'll already be very helpful if you could simple write a nice description of it in plain text and post it to the tracker (and if you have the insight, state which targets it applies to - e.g. menu x will be in settings for all targets but colour settings only on colour targets, of course)
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12:29:37IsolinearJust as soon as I remember my login for the tracker... :)
12:29:53pixelmaor if you know a bit about tex or feel like diving into, then you could have a look at the manual source (part of svn) - it's not that hard I think, didn't know something about it before I started working a bit with the Rockbox manual myself
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12:40:41Isolinearpixelma: Aren't there different versions of the manual depending on the target?
12:41:15IsolinearIn other words, shouldn't I write two descriptions? One for color targets and another for non-color targets?
12:41:41IsolinearThe second one simply omitting any references to color settings...
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12:43:50pixelmathe manuals are all made from the same source - some things are excluded from some targets or only included for a specific targets (similar to the ifs in c code)
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12:45:11IsolinearI see... So should I just write it for color targets and let whomever commits it take care of the exclusions?
12:45:36IsolinearOr just write it as a blanket statement that mentions how color settings only apply to color targets?
12:45:48IsolinearJust trying to figure out how clean we care about keeping the manual... :)
12:46:08pixelmayou could do this, maybe just put a comment above the part that only applies to colour targets
12:46:45Isolinear(wow, that last sentence was terrible... No worries, I don't usually write that way...)
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12:47:16IsolinearIt just happens to be almost 4am.. Heh.
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12:52:23IsolinearIs this where it's going?
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12:55:59pixelmasounds reasonable if it's a new entry in the display options - I'm off for lunch , back later
13:03:15IsolinearLooks like none of the gradient option has been documented yet...
13:04:12IsolinearJdGordon: I'm off to bed, but if you commit it, I'll write it all up... Looks pretty simple to do.
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13:11:02hachiooooh, I just saw a fun message
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13:11:06hachi"Playlist buffer full"
13:11:23hachiand then it just went on trying to play music... seems to be working
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13:12:22ddaltonjdgordon: around?
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13:37:46JdGordonpixelma: what do you tinhk about changing the order of the first settings menu to "sound settings, geenral settings, theme settings, recording settings, manage settings", instead of manage settings being 3rd?
13:38:05kxcan rockbox possibly do brightness for an ipod video in future ?
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13:47:35kxcan rockbox possibly do brightness for an ipod video in future ?
13:48:20JdGordonim sorry.. we only answer what-if questions if they are asked 3 times in 15 min
13:48:47ddaltonJdGordon: what file is the menu button code in? (the one with the case statements
13:49:01ddaltonok thanks
13:49:16ddaltonwhat do I look for switch (button)
13:49:45JdGordonsomething like that
13:49:51JdGordonACTION_STD_OK would be easier
13:50:02LearSlasheri: ping?
13:50:40JdGordonddalton: around line 355
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13:51:31amiconnhi Lear
13:51:42amiconnSeems the flac mystery is solved...
13:52:04LearYep, now I'm digging into dircache issues instead. :)
13:52:07*amiconn thinks it's a similar effect as what he had on his linux box
13:52:55amiconnMessed up file data with no error message at all... since that experience, I always put files on my targets using windows
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13:53:48ddaltonJdGordon: thanks
13:54:09ddaltonJdGordon: so what is "ret" for? Do I need to use it? can I just run my function in that if?
13:54:10JdGordonLear: if your looking at dircache, could you have a look at the pathc to enable it for multivolume?
13:54:31JdGordonddalton: well, i have no idea what you want to do.. so yes? no?
13:54:47JdGordonret is what the menu funciton returns if done == true
13:54:50ddaltonJdGordon: I am just running a function I have already written.
13:54:54JdGordonmust be one of hte defines in root_menu.h
13:55:02JdGordondoes it do anything?
13:55:06ddaltonedited the keymap file and added my action to action.h so that's done.
13:55:18ddaltonand written my function
13:55:49amiconnDircache for multivolume would probably be possible, dircache for hotswap will not
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13:55:59ddaltonIt does from the file browser (I edited tree.h) and the playlist catalog I think
13:56:11LearJdGordon: Without a target to test on, I'd rather not...
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13:57:14ddaltonJdGordon: where do I add my new action for a tap of rec? above that line in an if the same way
13:57:20ddaltonin the same way?
13:58:24Learamiconn: The patch adds a cache rebuild on swap.
14:00:49pixelmacurrently the only targets that have multivolume are flash targets - to me the only use of dircache there is for the database because some functions there rely on it. Wouldn't it be better to change something there?
14:00:50JdGordonddalton: yes
14:01:12LearBut as the patch doesn't address the issue of fd bindings, the cache could be disabled sometime after a swap, I think.
14:01:19JdGordonpixelma: of course, but it is consicevable that a hard disk target with hotswap comes along
14:01:21Learpixelma: a very good point indeed...
14:01:29amiconnLear: How does that work during playback? I don't think that will be possible...
14:02:29Learamiconn: You mean a rebuild?
14:02:44amiconnIt might be possible to use dircache for the fixed volume(s) only, but I don't think it's worth the added complexity
14:03:10LearDon't see why that would be a problem as such. You can start playback while the cache is building now...
14:05:58amiconnYes, but only if the rebuild is running in the background, which requires to know in advance how much ram it needs
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14:06:19amiconnWith hotswap you cannot know that
14:08:28ddaltonJdGordon: thanks for your help I am compiling now.
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14:13:04ddaltonJdGordon: no errors it compiled but I got warnings
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14:23:11ddaltonJdGordon: My patch won't work in the wps at all. If I do a long rec in the main menu it says a bit of my function and then it does the normal code (go to the rec screen) Also I get warnings when compiling. Do you know how I can fix these?
14:23:19ddaltondo you have time to look at my patch?
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14:24:14afliwi need help
14:24:31afliwsomeone there?
14:24:32ddaltonafliw: ask your question
14:24:50ddaltonwe can't help you if you don't ask :-)
14:25:56afliwokey ^^
14:26:15afliwi have an mp3 player named "Titan" (1GB)
14:26:35afliwhow do i do to know what kind of mp3 it is?
14:26:37ddaltonyour question?
14:26:55ddaltonthe brand moddle but it sounds like it won't run rb
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14:27:28afliwthat's bad
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14:28:38afliwdo you know some page that could help me... some programs to extract firmware or to see information form the player directly (my english is not very good =P)
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14:32:06zichoHow di I enable shuffled playback?
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14:34:35ddaltonafliw: first see if you own a supported player
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14:38:23ddaltonzicho: Settings/general settings/playback/ shuffle I think
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15:24:10Robin0800shortcut behavior in rockbox would like mp3 s/c to play and playlist s/c to load etc any thoughts?
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16:25:53stripwaxHm, question on battery_bench. I ran it on my 60GB 5g , but I forgot to clear my rb settings first. I have quite a busy wps, but was pleasantly surprised to get 11:30hrs until player shut off. I reran, and cleared settings this time, but got only 10:30hrs. HOWEVER: plotting the two series side by side, I see the battery decay is comparable. But in the first run, rb shuts down when the battery is at 3%, and on the second run it sh
16:26:53stripwaxIs it possible battery bench just lost the last hour of stats (that's where the battery_bench.txt file ends, maybe the player actually ran for 11:30hr on both runs but the log is truncated?)
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16:29:22Domonokyjup thats normal, if battery is empty the harddrive cant spin up, and the last chunk of the log is lost.. i think..
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16:32:15stripwaxOk. On the first run, it managed to flush a bunch of stuff after 10:15 then at 11:25. On the second it flushed at 10:52 and then I guess it died at some point after that.
16:32:34stripwaxOh, so in fact that means I don't know how long my player ran for after all! Something > 11:30hr is all I know.
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16:34:40Domonokyyup.. :-) but there is possibliy a max, as the battery_bench will write every x minutes.. so its 11:30 + max x minutes.. i dont know how big x is..
16:34:53XavierGrstripwax: you can't be sure on critical battery levels
16:35:22XavierGrstripwax: there is always some interval that you might loose +- some minutes that depend on the codec
16:35:57XavierGreg for 128kbps mp3s this interval is about 30 minutes
16:36:18XavierGrthe lower the bitrate the greater the uncertainty is
16:36:47stripwaxyep, I'm using q4 (~128) vorbis. If the interval is about 40mins then actually that adds up
16:37:02XavierGrthat's because in order to be accurate battery_bench will write to the log only when the disk is moved by an external event (music rebuffering)
16:37:34XavierGrso the plugin might loose some minutes because the unit can play quite some minutes if the hard drive doesn't move
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16:38:35XavierGrI think that the less accurate measurement is to make a full bench without playing music
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16:38:51XavierGrwhich at that point the plugin will write to the log at the maximum 1 hour interval
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18:28:07stripwaxhas anyone been measuring current drawn on rockbox vs appleos on ipods?
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19:42:52NeMetS_666Hi all!
19:43:22NeMetS_666How I can play Midi oh X-5?
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19:45:06agm3ntgo to file browser and play it
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19:47:50NeMetS_666Write error -> No MIDI patchset found. Please Instal the instrum... See RockBox page for more: ...
19:48:07NeMetS_666What is it?
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19:48:54agm3ntread notes
19:50:24NeMetS_666I download "A sample patchset is available here" and extracted in .rockbox dir... but error =(
19:51:34agm3ntin ./rockbox/patchset??
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19:54:25NeMetS_666I must Install?
19:54:37NeMetS_666How its doing?
19:55:32agm3ntonly extract in ./rockbox/patchset
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20:00:13rjgfinally updated rockbox on my iriver after over a year, I see MIDI playback is now supported... is it using the timidity library? if so, will it understand XG midi in its current form? (I was going to start mucking about with the patch config files to add in XG stuff as in eawpats 12)
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20:01:43iPodjashihelp, anyone?
20:04:12NeMetS_666agm3nt, not worked =( Help me plz
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20:06:09agm3ntNeMetS_666: what is wrong??
20:09:38NeMetS_666I unpack rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 on dir /.rockbox/patchset and i have dirs /.rockbox/patchset/apps , /.rockbox/patchset/bootloader and so...
20:10:04NeMetS_666in folder - files *.h and *.c
20:10:20NeMetS_666restart Player...
20:10:26agm3ntrockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 ??
20:10:35NeMetS_666nothing chenge
20:10:42rjgnow I don't mean to butt in, but why were you extracting that to the patchset dir?
20:11:29rjgheh I wasn't expecting someone else to be also questioning midi at the same time :)
20:11:41rjgI suspect XG is asking far too much at the moment though
20:11:58sin613the midi playback was a pleasant surprise
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20:12:10rjgsin613: it was :)
20:12:15sin613has that pretty much just been stevenm's thing?
20:13:12rjgof course now I'm wondering if the patchset can be tweaked to include XG stuff or if it's all statically linked at the moment
20:14:04NeMetS_666I thik, itis what i am looking.... Thenks =) Very BIG thenks
20:15:44NeMetS_666Yahoo!!! NOW I CAN PLAY in DooM with music ))
20:16:39NeMetS_666dou.... No... music disable ... WHY???
20:17:04rjgthat won't work I'm afraid, as far as I know..
20:17:37rjgrockbox isn't going to provide a midi device which doom could use, it's just able to play back midi files
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20:18:47NeMetS_666ouuu... Thenks... I undestude that - > I can play DooM on X-5 whith Music =(
20:20:23NeMetS_666Ктонить говрит по русски?
20:20:39parafinNeMetS_666, me
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20:21:28parafini don't think people here would like us to talk in russian
20:21:42krazykitespecially because it's against the guidelines
20:22:06sin613half of my family speaks russian near fluently... but i don't know a single word
20:22:10rjgheh, I was wondering.. non unicode font here so all I get is '?'
20:22:41desowinrjg: either non-unicode font or you're not using utf-8 in irc
20:23:31rjgdesowin: both actually
20:23:43rjgbut that's out of choice
20:23:59NeMetS_666ok... control and last question
20:24:03krazykitplease do try to stay somewhat on topic ...
20:24:38NeMetS_666Can I play DooM with music? and how its made?
20:24:57desowinyou can't playback music while playing doom
20:25:05rjgwho's best to chat to about the midi plugin?
20:25:39sin613stevenm, i believe.
20:25:55rjgdoes he pop in here at all?
20:26:06sin613i've seen him several times in the last few days
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20:27:53NeMetS_66610x i undestend
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21:01:41kretenderhi all
21:01:58kretenderhow do I use the IRAM in a plugin?
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21:16:06DefineByteDoes this error mean anything to anyone? I get it when I build the manual (edited by me):
21:16:06DefineByte./getting_started/installation.tex:149: Package utf8x Error: Character 145 appeared alone.
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21:26:02DefineByteGuess not. x)
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21:26:42Terinjokeshey, rockbox supports both 5.0 and 5.5 ipod videos now, right
21:26:59jhMikeSkretender: see an IRAM using plugin, there's quite a number of them
21:27:25PaulJamTerinjokes: yes (see the frontpage)
21:27:53TerinjokesPaulJam: just making sure :P, i know for a while we had a problem with the filesystem...
21:28:12Terinjokes(i think i remember putting rockbox on a video 5.5, but I don't remember)
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21:30:59kretenderok i did
21:31:05kretenderbut there is a problem
21:31:32kretenderwhenever i use the IBSS_ATTR keyword in a include file the linker complains about multiple definitions
21:31:47kretenderhow should i solve that?
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21:36:00linuxstb_kretender: Can you pastebin an example?
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21:39:51kretenderthis is the file i want to include
21:40:01kretendershould i post the main file too?
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21:41:16eigma".h" files should only ever have "extern" variable declarations. ".c" files should have the exact same line, without the "extern" word.
21:41:18linuxstb_You shouldn't put array declarations in .h files - they should go in .c files.
21:41:47jhMikeSkretender: use "extern fixedr sin_vecpi[16];" in the .h and fixedr sin_vecpi[16] IBSS_ATTR; in the C
21:41:55eigmait is the difference between variable _storage_ (which can only be in a .c file) and variable declaration (i.e., telling the compiler that it exists, or will exist, at link-time)
21:42:23kretenderok, thank you very much, ill try it
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21:44:30rjgwhoops, midi plugin has issues with some files with tempo changes
21:45:20rjgwoaah what on earth is it doing lol, it's making a dogs dinner of this one
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22:30:05amiconnjhMikeS: I have a rather odd result from my 2 runtime tests on H10: *exactly* the same runtime, with and without the dev reset
22:30:10amiconn5 hours 5 minutes
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22:45:05jhMikeSamiconn: so what's up with that?
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22:45:49amiconnI would really like to know that...
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22:48:02jhMikeSmaybe the clocking instability made it use more power? all I can think of.
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22:52:35*Bagder got some updates
22:53:42*jhMikeS thinks it's almost time to commit the good-chunk-of-a-year-old pcm rework anyway. no more H10 fretting about it.
22:55:03Bagder now mentions three updated docs
22:55:06Bagderfrom MrH
22:55:58jhMikeSjuicy stuff?
22:56:17Bagderupdated the memory controller stuff
22:56:26Bagderand a new "Semi-Independent DMA interface" doc
22:56:47Bagderand updated NAND docs
22:57:47jhMikeShey, if he wants to look into all the hw sync primitive stuff too, don't stop him. :)
22:58:15Bagderif you have any specific questions, I could pass them on...
22:59:02jhMikeSregarding the hardware mailboxes and semaphores so we can get this dual core thing settled.
23:00:54Bagderso the question is basically how they work/are controlled?
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23:04:11jhMikeSBadger: yeah. I do know there's good deal of registers involved and it's a faily complicated thing with subtle aspects.
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23:11:14IsolinearIs there any way to get Rockbox to hide folders with a hidden attribute?
23:11:25IsolinearNamely the iPod_Control folder... I don't want to see it.
23:12:21parafini've finished my fuse filesystem, which adds to vfat FS symlinks and special characters in filenames. Anyone interested in testing it?
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23:16:27DomonokyIsolinear: if you ste the filevie to supported, it should be hidden in rockbox, if it has the hidden attibute
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23:17:45IsolinearAh, ok... I had tried that but it was still visible, but once I backed out of the "Files" section and went back in, it wasn't there... Basically just had to refresh. :)
23:20:03PaulJamlittle question: why is there a separate setting for a solid colour lineselector? can't you just set the primary and secondary colour the same to achieve this (with the gradient selector)?
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23:21:21IsolinearYou can.
23:21:29linuxstb_parafin: Do you mean you've added support to Rockbox for that?
23:22:21IsolinearPerhaps it has to do with Rockbox having to draw from only one value in "solid color" mode as opposed to drawing from two values in "gradient mode"?
23:22:43IsolinearThat's the first theory I could come up with and I don't write code so who knows.
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23:23:39PaulJamah, so solid colour is faster. that makes sense.
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23:25:09IsolinearCould be, that's all I'm saying... I'm just guessing.
23:25:13parafinlinuxstb_, nope, it's just a way to copy such files from linux FS to fat
23:25:20IsolinearAnyone who knows better, feel free to jump in.
23:25:20parafinit's just can be handy
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23:26:39sin613i am requesting write status to the wiki (user PhilipBarton)
23:27:55krazykitwhat are you planning on changing?
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23:28:17Bagdersin613: fixed!
23:28:25sin613adding my battery bench, fm presets, etc
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23:28:43sin613thanks, Bagder
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23:33:33Heyokahas anyone here pre-ordered radioheads new album?
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23:34:59Domonokyno its too expensive.. *hehe*
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23:35:17HeyokaI'm getting some help from the folks at #vorbis to place an email I sent regarding open formats, rockbox and freedom of choice to radioheads site operators, they never responded but well try to turn it into a coherent and well argumented text
23:35:44Heyokasomething that can be used as email campaign form or online petition to get critical mass and their attention
23:36:07parafinwhat's wrong with new radioheads release?
23:36:22zei haven't even seen an indication of what format(s) they'll be posting in
23:36:29Heyokathats the point
23:37:01Heyokawere trying to make a petition making the case for open formats, and the artificial restricitons placed by vendors like apple
23:37:04*webguest99 points to #Rockbox-community
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23:37:28Heyokaand rockbox would be a big part of showing them that open formats can be a feasible way
23:37:31*Soap points to #Rockbox-community
23:37:46HeyokaI should take this up to rockbox community then?
23:38:04SoapSomewhere other than the developement and support channel.
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23:39:49Heyokathanks for your time
23:40:28Heyokabefore I take my business there mind if I drop the url to the zero draft of the vorbis/flac/support rockbox and user freedom text?
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23:40:41HeyokaI've been sleep deprived for weeks
23:41:01iambenthis is borderline spam
23:41:05iambenfor a good cause, but still
23:41:08zeweeks? and whats wrong with continuing in #rockbox-community
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23:42:26HeyokaI've stopped now and am moving to the rockbox community site
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23:46:32Heyokaby the way if rockbox does get involved I would be happy to pledge to donate as much as I payed for the album
23:46:47Heyokaspeccially since the c200 port came just in time for my shiny new toy
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23:46:52Heyokaspeaking of which
23:47:22Heyokaany thing a non programming adventurous space monkey can do with rockbox on the c250 that could be of any use to the devs?
23:48:44PaulJamHeyoka: you could help to keep the manual up to date for example.
23:50:32Heyokafirst I should advise people not to upgrade their original firmware
23:50:53rasherAny reason why there couldn't be voice thumbnail support in the db? With a client-side utility to read the contents of the db and generate the needed clips?
23:50:56Heyokaand if they do, the diag/rescue mode is not activaded by pressing the down button but the rec button
23:52:10linuxstb_rasher: What do you mean by "thumbnail"?
23:52:36rasherlinuxstb_: .talk clips (they're often referred to as thumbnails, not quite sure why actually)
23:52:46|Rain|the context menu in the database browser −− the one that has "Playlist" and nothing else (at least for me) −− does anyone know where that menu is in the source offhand?
23:53:18linuxstb_rasher: So you want want .talk clips for the tags?
23:53:29rasherPretty much, yes
23:54:09rasherto make the db accessible without having to use spelling
23:54:30linuxstb_Wouldn't that mean a lot of clips?
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23:55:12rasherIt would, but disk space is cheap
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23:56:15rasherDepends on the type of collection too. If you have lots of full albums, it'd be closer to 1 clip per song
23:56:39Robin0800would it be possible for the shortcut function, if set to an mp3 file it could play it or a jpeg display it?
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23:56:53tdtookeif I may interject just for a moment: have there been any changes lately with the cop on PP players?
23:57:13linuxstb_rasher: Do you know how the .talk clips work in the file browser? I mean how are they buffered to minimise disk spinups?
23:57:38rasherlinuxstb_: nope
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