#rockbox 2007-10-06

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#rockbox log for 2007-10-06

00:00:08	zicho	not exactly, but i dont think there is a way to do what i wanted. Its okay though.
00:02:45	markun	zicho: I would also like to go out of a plugin to add some songs to my playlist and go back again
00:03:17	toffe82	zicho: you want something like switching between the now playing and a plugin for example ?
00:03:53	*	jhMikeS is going to run another test with the lcd clock source registers being change but _not_ TIMER1 on the COP since he negleted this combo
00:04:10	zicho	toffe82: no, for example if im browsing some files, then i want to hop to "now playing", and then go right back to browsing plugins.
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00:07:00	toffe82	zicho: it is the same I mentionned plug in but it can be any other screen, like on a tv the function to switch previous viewed channel and actual channel
00:07:16	toffe82	brb
00:07:35	zicho	ahhh, thats sweet.
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00:08:38	jhMikeS	that combo isn't stable...hrm
00:08:48	jhMikeS	crash at 1908 tests
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00:09:40	toffe82	zicho: you can create a shortcut to the now playing and place it in each folder , so you have half of what you want :)
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00:12:23	zicho	toffe82: Is that plugin installed by default? I cant find it.
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00:12:59	DefineByte	When I try to build the manual I get this error: ! LaTeX Error: File `utf8x.def' not found.
00:13:00	DefineByte	Any ideas?
00:13:15	DefineByte	Where do I get that from?
00:13:22	DefineByte	or should I already have it?
00:13:30	pixelma	yes, you seem to be missing the unicode package
00:13:43	pixelma	(or your setupp :D)
00:13:59	amiconn	jhMikeS: Runtime test started (with your patch + dev reset enabled for the small H10)
00:14:18	pixelma	DefineByte: are you building on windows are linux?
00:14:25	pixelma	*or
00:14:39	DefineByte	cygwin
00:15:16	jhMikeS	amiconn: since there's two bits and based on the code, I take it that CLCD_CLOCK_SOURCE bits 30 and 31 select one of source #1-#4, correct?
00:15:24	amiconn	yes
00:15:35	amiconn	But selecting source 1 or 2 makes it hang
00:15:47	amiconn	0 and 3 work
00:15:58	pixelma	DefineByte: ok... then you need to install the package manually, the ManualHowto explains it a bit
00:16:25	jhMikeS	I haven't tried it without the COP interrupt though...maybe a quick test
00:16:37	DefineByte	thanks. I'll check it out (again x))
00:17:55	pixelma	DefineByte: it's the same as the manual installation described for linux and I put the file there were cygwin told me it looked for (above the error message it was I think)
00:18:23	pixelma	errm... the manual installation of the unicode package, I meant
00:18:41	toffe82	zicho: I never use it ;) the wiki says use the context menu and you have the option add shortcut
00:18:48	DefineByte	thanks again :)
00:21:57	jhMikeS	hmmm...using #1 isn't hanging now...up to 3000 tests so far
00:22:20	amiconn	0 is 24MHz, 3 is PLL
00:23:36	jhMikeS	0x40000000
00:23:42	amiconn	The temporary switch to 24MHz during pll reprogramming is from the ipod color firmware. Back in July, the color froze a lot without that measure
00:23:46	jhMikeS	I'm think 0,1,2,3
00:23:51	amiconn	Interesting...
00:24:09	jhMikeS	7000 tests
00:24:15	amiconn	When I tested, 1 or 2 made it hang immediately, always
00:25:08	amiconn	Maybe I did something wrong back then
00:25:22	jhMikeS	what key sets CPUFREQ_DEFAULT on H10?
00:25:37	amiconn	A test_fps run at 80MHz would be interesting with 1 or 2
00:25:38	jhMikeS	oh, found it
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00:26:15	jhMikeS	49/194
00:26:28	amiconn	Compared to? (at 3)
00:26:29	jhMikeS	1/2 the #0 results
00:26:33	Fordibolo	where can i read about how to create my own WPS?
00:26:34	amiconn	ah
00:26:42	amiconn	So 24MHz for all except 3
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00:28:18	jhMikeS	0x40000000 isn't #2?
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00:28:29	Fordibolo``	hi again
00:28:32	jhMikeS	I'll try 0x80000000
00:28:32	Fordibolo``	where can i read about how to create my own WPS?
00:30:09	pixelma	SimpleGuideToWPSMaking, CustomWPS in the wiki and study other WPSs
00:30:16	jhMikeS	still 1/2 the usual
00:30:21	DefineByte	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS
00:30:53	Fordibolo``	thx
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00:33:20	amiconn	jhMikeS: Huh, 1/2 of the results of #0?
00:33:34	amiconn	I would expect that #1 and #2 are equally fast as #0
00:33:48	amiconn	..and #3 more than twice as fast (at 80 MHz)
00:36:12	jhMikeS	you set 0xc0000000, 0x40000000 and 0x80000000 both gave 1/2 frame rate of SVN
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00:45:21	DefineByte	well, as far as I know everything is in the right place and it still won't build the manual >><
00:45:32	DefineByte	>.</
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00:47:55	pixelma	DefineByte: did you run the mktexlsr command?
00:48:08	DefineByte	oops
00:48:46	pixelma	IIRC you can run it from everywhere, as I understood it'll collect the correct paths
00:48:58	DefineByte	it's late, I'm tired, yadayadayada :D
00:52:07	DefineByte	./getting_started/installation.tex:149: Package utf8x Error: Character 145 appeared alone.
00:52:07	DefineByte	I have no idea where to begin with that one.
00:52:10	*	pixelma is a bit confused too but ok
00:52:47	DefineByte	it wants a friend? :/
00:53:34	pixelma	hmm... no idea now. I think bluebrother would be the best to talk to
00:54:14	DefineByte	shame he's not around then. Ah well, thanks for your help
00:54:20	DefineByte	:)
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00:56:25	pixelma	wait... is that already with your changes to the installation.tex?
00:56:47	DefineByte	yes. I'm guessing an error somewhere
00:57:02	pixelma	in line 149, I think
00:58:12	pixelma	tried to build an svn manual too?
00:58:23	zicho	Can someone link me to the site about Last.fm in rockbox? I cant find it in the wiki.
00:58:26	luckyone_	hello all, I just reinstalled today's build of rockbox on my ipod mini 2g and it loads rockbox, and just says "Rockbox loaded.", doesn't take me to the file menu like usual
00:58:29	DefineByte	no, good idea x)
00:59:11	pixelma	DefineByte: because I'm not sure if it still got to do with your unicode package or if it's an error in your "code"
00:59:26	ddalton	has anyone got to time to see if one of my patches compile with no errors or warnings?
00:59:36	toffe82	zicho: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LastFMLog
00:59:37	ddalton	has anyone got time
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01:00:14	zicho	thank you very much toffe82.
01:00:46	syn4pse	when you call a button_get(true), then call another button_get(true), how come the second acts like button_get(false)?
01:02:16	syn4pse	i have tried a button_clear_queue() with no effect.
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01:03:47	Zagor	do we support the flash reader on the sansas?
01:04:08	pixelma	the flash reader?
01:04:13	Zagor	microsd slot
01:04:45	pixelma	on the e series yes (even sdhc) - not yet on the c200
01:04:53	Zagor	ok
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01:07:02	Zagor	do you know if it is because the hw is different or because nobody has tested?
01:07:06	DefineByte	hmm, it builds
01:07:12	DefineByte	but with a few errors
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01:07:31	DefineByte	I guess it's a problem with my edits then
01:08:19	pixelma	Zagor: I think it's again hooked up differently, I'm not sure but I think low_light was trying some things today (but didn't follow closely)
01:09:18	luckyone_	pixelma: how big does sdhc for microSD?
01:09:46	iamben	luckyone_: 4gb
01:09:48	pixelma	Zagor: he once said he had no card so couldn't try. Don't know if that's changed recently
01:11:41	luckyone_	iamben: yes, 4gb - 2nd generation
01:11:50	luckyone_	heh, sorry!
01:12:06	luckyone_	iamben: I thought you were helping me with my iPod mini boot issue!
01:12:28	iamben	no ipod here
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01:12:45	luckyone_	I have sansa e260 and ipod mini
01:13:08	luckyone_	the build I just put on my mini doesn't get past the "Rockbox loaded." screen
01:13:11	zicho	toffe82: Have you gotten mpegplayer to work fine with gigabeat?
01:13:45	toffe82	zicho : i didn't use it for a long time but it was working fine
01:14:03	zicho	what did you use for encoding?
01:14:23	toffe82	zicho: test first with the movie elephant dream http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMpegplayer#Sample_videos
01:14:24	pixelma	luckyone_: how old was the build you had on before?
01:14:38	zicho	i tried encoding with mencoder, and it worked fine in mplayer. But on the gigabeat I didnt get any picture and the audio was slow.
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01:15:56	toffe82	zicho: do you use the settings from the wiki ?
01:16:47	zicho	toffe82: that took like 100 years to encode.
01:19:00	zicho	even for just a 21 minute long avi-file, 640 x 480.
01:19:58	luckyone_	pixelma: probably pretty old...
01:20:18	luckyone_	pixelma: probably 4 to 6 months? maybe more...
01:21:25	luckyone_	zicho: I am also how long it takes my dual core machine to encode at sansa's resolution
01:21:43	luckyone_	zicho: i am also flabergasted
01:22:19	toffe82	zicho: I don't know so much because I don't use it for a long time now , perhaps somebody else can answer better than me
01:23:03	zicho	luckyone_: Im experimenting with mencoder settings and such. Can notify you if a find a good way.
01:23:21	pixelma	maybe you need to update your bootloader then, especially if it's more. The manual also has updae intructions (part of the installation instructions) and if you still find a rockbox.ipod file in the root of your player you need to delete it. It is in the .rockbox directory now and the zip comes set up correctly
01:23:37	luckyone_	what do the permissions on .rockbox/ need to be?
01:24:11	luckyone_	is -drwx−−−−−− fine?
01:24:22	luckyone_	excuse me drwx−−−−−−
01:24:49	Zagor	pixelma: I got a card with the new c240 for testing, and it isn't mounted on boot and no activity on card change
01:25:19	pixelma	luckyone_: no idea, I just unzip it and don't care about these, it comes correctly (note: I also don't have an Ipod)
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01:26:04	Zagor	and it seems to me like all the necessary code is enabled. so perhaps there is some difference.
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01:26:44	signuts	Hey.I'm going to return my stupid 6th gen classic ipod
01:26:51	pixelma	Zagor: doesn't it need to be enabled (some bits or so, which I believe are different to the e200)?
01:26:55	signuts	and prolly pickup a device that supports rockbox
01:27:09	signuts	Is there a page that shows what is supported by each device?
01:27:41	Zagor	pixelma: yeah there is a card detect function that checks gpio pins. those could differ.
01:27:56	linuxstb	signuts: Try http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/BuyersGuide and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart
01:28:09	signuts	ahh. Here we are
01:28:12	signuts	Sweet
01:28:40	pixelma	Zagor: yeah, I meant pins... am tired
01:28:43	signuts	I like ipod, but I just got a 6th gen and am getting rid of it because apple intentially hurts the competition
01:28:59	zicho	6th gen is the latest isnt it?
01:29:05	signuts	yeah
01:29:13	Zagor	pixelma: well, they are bits in the register so that is correct too :)
01:29:28	pixelma	:)
01:31:21	pixelma	but I say goodnight now...
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01:35:24	zicho	signuts: How does rockbox work on it? Does it, even?
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01:35:50	krazykit	zicho, rockbox doesn't run on the 6th gen ipods.
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01:36:28	signuts	zicho, I guess I should try before I return it :)
01:36:28	Zagor	low_light: have you looked anything on the sd slot on c200?
01:36:44	linuxstb	zicho: Apple completely changed their hardware design starting with the 2nd gen Nano, including a brand new CPU. So it will need a brand new port for Rockbox to work on it.
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01:36:58	zicho	Ah.
01:36:59	low_light	Zagor: I'll be brief...the microsd detection is on GPIOL bit 0x8 (I think, check the debug screen as you insert). I haven't figured out how to enable the interrupts for it.
01:37:23	Zagor	ok
01:37:40	low_light	Perhaps you can have a go...you'll notice in pp5024.h that there are two different gpio masks
01:38:03	low_light	I couldn't get either to work
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01:38:36	Zagor	GPIOL bit 0x8 looks right
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01:42:47	zicho	Is the mpeg player designed to play movies in wide screen? because when i played a movie it flipped the picture 90 degrees so i hade to turn the player 90 degrees to make it look right.
01:43:12	Zagor	I'm off to bed
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01:44:02	\|Rain\|	zicho: the sansa is, yes
01:44:25	zicho	I guess that gigabeat is too. Because it has a "vertical" screen.
01:44:44	\|Rain\|	probably
01:46:13	zicho	=D
01:47:07	\|Rain\|	what does stkov mean, anyway?
01:47:32	XavierGr_	stack overflow
01:48:06	XavierGr_	and yeah at first I thought it was a russian surname :P
01:48:24	\|Rain\|	oh. well, that seems obvious now that I know
01:48:24	\|Rain\|	hahah, that's what I thought too :D
01:50:03	zicho	Sergej Stkov.
01:51:28	maxkelley	heh
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01:51:54	zicho	luckyone_: Managed to get movies workin fine.
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02:18:40	nugget240	Hello, I have been trying to get rockbox on my sansa e260R but when I run the e200tool i get "Control message (-71, Protocol error)". I had it finish once but my sansa screen said "keys locked" and shut off. Any help is appreciated
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02:21:45	ddalton	where is the actions for buttons in the menus?
02:21:50	ddalton	are
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02:26:29	^TiLT^	hi all
02:26:54	^TiLT^	gives a version for the 3gen of the Ipod nano ?
02:30:03	sin613	only 1st gen nano
02:30:43	^TiLT^	fuck
02:30:46	^TiLT^	fuck
02:30:48	^TiLT^	fuck fuck
02:30:50	^TiLT^	:/
02:31:13	advcomp2019	nugget240, are you using sudo when doing the steps
02:32:50	advcomp2019	nugget240, are you reading the steps right
02:35:56	^TiLT^	iss angapod cool alternate to itunes ?
02:37:27	advcomp2019	that is off topic ^TiLT^
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02:40:08	nugget240	advcomp2019: thank you for the response. When i use sudo it asks the password but it wont accept it so I have not been using sudo
02:41:09	advcomp2019	that can be your issue nugget240
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02:42:34	nugget240	Alright, thank you for the help. I'll try a few things and hope it works
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03:01:27	nugget240	A little update. I tried multiple times using sudo and logged in as root and every time I still get "Control message (-71, Protocol error)". Is there anything else that could be causing this?
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03:05:23	advcomp2019	nugget240, are you sure you have r series
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03:05:38	nugget240	100%
03:05:50	nugget240	on the back it says model: e260r
03:06:00	nugget240	in the menu there are rhapsody options
03:07:47	advcomp2019	nugget240, ok, are you holding the REC button when do the e200tool
03:07:55	nugget240	every time
03:12:28	advcomp2019	nugget240, which linux distro are you using
03:12:50	nugget240	currently I'm using pclinux2007
03:13:15	nugget240	I also tried using ubuntu
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03:38:46	ddalton	what file is go_to_recscreen declared in?
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03:44:04	advcomp2019	nugget240, are you using manufacturing mode when using the e200tool
03:45:47	nugget240	I hold the center button and plug in the usb cable then the light turns blue
03:46:57	advcomp2019	nugget240, do you have the hold switch turned on
03:47:03	nugget240	yes
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03:50:08	Drumr	Hello, i have just created a post in the "new ports" section of the forum and i am curious to know if anyone shares my interest in porting rockbox to the "mp4 watch" AKA Anlong AD688FM
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03:50:45	Drumr	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13101.0 this is my post
03:52:50	krazykit	new ports are started by people with both the inclination and know-how.
03:53:34	krazykit	if you don't know C and have some embedded experience, you need someone who does that has the device. meaningful work generally won't be done by people that don't have the device, especially because it's a new port
03:54:13	Drumr	alright. i figured it would be an interesting project because many cheap chinese players share this infastructure
03:55:06	krazykit	if they share the same chips, there might be another port with a little headway on the forums.
03:55:20	*	ATravelingGeek wonders if it'd be possible to port rockbox to a car head unit
03:55:54	krazykit	in any case, you ought to read this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort
03:57:24	Drumr	yup ive read it thanks
03:57:37	Drumr	actually i'd like to request write status in the wiki...
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03:57:58	Drumr	ill post up the info (and pictures) i have if thats alright
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04:07:48	Drumr	does anyone here have the privileges to grant me write status?
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04:13:47	TMM	Drumr: what are you intending on changing? :)
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04:16:04	TMM	Drumr: forget that, I don't know how to anyway
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04:25:37	Drumr	TMM: i want to change the firmware to Rockbox :-D
04:25:49	Drumr	and i want write status to make a page on the AD866FM
04:27:14	TMM	Drumr: I don't know HOW :)
04:29:18	Drumr	:-) thats ok
04:29:47	XavierGr	Drumr: one moment if I recall correctly a subscribed member has to add you somewhere
04:30:01	XavierGr	I think I can do it but I don't remember how :P
04:30:27	Drumr	Xavier... your nick seems familiar
04:30:42	Drumr	the status can wait, its not a big deal
04:30:55	XavierGr	Drumr: have you registered?
04:30:59	Drumr	yes
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04:31:10	XavierGr	Drumr: familiar as for the XavierGr or only the Xavier part?
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04:32:00	Drumr	um not sure, i recall your name in the h3x0's perhaps?
04:32:45	XavierGr	I am not sure maybe
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04:32:58	Drumr	i was big with the h300's, then moved to ipod 5g. now, my clickwheels broke so im using a zen micro and im trying to get the mp4 watch to be usable :-/
04:33:00	XavierGr	damn it I don't remember/know how to add you, let me search a little bit more on this
04:33:14	Drumr	its alright dont knock yourself out i can wait
04:33:15	XavierGr	(maybe I can't I don't have a clue :P )
04:33:44	psycho_maniac	XavierGr: you add there name to a wiki page?
04:34:27	XavierGr	yes, I think so
04:34:33	XavierGr	I think I found it let me try
04:35:30	psycho_maniac	it has something to do with write privileges but i cant find that wiki page
04:35:38	XavierGr	Drumr: try now
04:36:16	Drumr	yay
04:36:19	Drumr	:-)
04:36:19	psycho_maniac	XavierGr: what page was it? just to to cure my curiosity.
04:36:49	XavierGr	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TWikiUsersGroup
04:37:08	XavierGr	Drumr: now I think you can add users too, so if anyone asks for add him there :)
04:37:34	psycho_maniac	do you know what it means when a name is highlighted?
04:37:38	XavierGr	Drumr: Thought I think that your wiki name should have your surname too
04:37:52	XavierGr	psycho_maniac: I think it has a wiki link
04:38:12	Drumr	its listed its just not the display name i suppose?
04:38:17	XavierGr	new users must make a page with their wiki name
04:38:17	Drumr	not sure
04:38:25	XavierGr	then their wiki name is linkified
04:39:17	psycho_maniac	oh i see.
04:39:23	XavierGr	Drumr: did you make a new page with your wiki name or was it created automatically?
04:39:40	XavierGr	ah forget that
04:39:50	XavierGr	how it could be generated automatically with your details?
04:39:52	XavierGr	heh
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05:24:21	SS_AZ	is there a way i can run threw the files quick? scroll wheel is very slow.
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05:26:48	SS_AZ	also what does crossfeed do
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05:27:27	sid	How can I tell what version of rockbox I have?
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05:29:37	SS_AZ	goto the system menu then version
05:30:36	sid	I have a really low battery
05:30:39	sid	I'm charing, heh.
05:30:47	sid	I can't go to menu or anything while it charges
05:31:06	sid	I want to update it to the latest version, this is probably about a year old
05:31:36	VGambit`	sid
05:31:57	sid	http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip
05:32:00	VGambit`	if you eject the ipod (or whatever it is) you should be able to use it while charging
05:32:02	sid	I just download that and unzip it?
05:32:04	sid	is it that simple?
05:32:15	sid	VGambit`: ahh, good idea.
05:32:27	VGambit`	sid, what do you use to put music on rockbox?
05:33:05	sid	,v
05:33:08	sid	mv* rather
05:33:19	VGambit`	hm
05:33:39	sid	I umounted the usb device, it says "ok to disconnect", but it still doesn't let me go to menu.
05:34:35	sid	All I do is unzip that url onto my rockbox.. overwrite the rockbox.ipod binary.. and it's updated to the latest?
05:35:04	SS_AZ	vgambit maybe you can help me
05:35:12	VGambit`	sid dunno
05:35:13	SS_AZ	the scroll speed in display menu isnt working
05:35:17	SS_AZ	i have 25000 mp3s
05:35:20	VGambit`	SS_AZ I have no idea
05:35:27	VGambit`	I just started using this yesterday
05:35:30	SS_AZ	and scrolling takes over 15 minutes literally, it goes 1 by 1 :\
05:35:40	VGambit`	sid is that in rockbox or apple fw?
05:35:41	SS_AZ	very hard to drive and browse!!
05:35:47	SS_AZ	you want me driving next to you looking at 6px font
05:35:51	SS_AZ	for 15 minutes? i dont think so!
05:35:54	SS_AZ	help me out lol
05:35:59	VGambit`	SS_AZ set up playlists
05:36:05	SS_AZ	i have playlists
05:36:10	SS_AZ	and they are over 1500 songs in each
05:36:14	VGambit`	why?
05:36:16	SS_AZ	i still wanna select single songs from my playlist
05:36:21	SS_AZ	cause i drive a lot
05:36:24	VGambit`	that defeats the purpose
05:36:24	SS_AZ	and dont like making play lists daily
05:36:28	SS_AZ	no it doesnt
05:36:34	SS_AZ	i have 25000 mp3s from full albums
05:36:39	VGambit`	I drive 750 miles a week
05:36:44	SS_AZ	of those, i create albums of my favorite music
05:36:50	SS_AZ	and whil ei am at home, i have the same music playing 24/7
05:37:00	VGambit`	set aside an hour or two to make playlists of stuff you life
05:37:01	VGambit`	like*
05:37:03	VGambit`	better yet
05:37:08	SS_AZ	2 hours a day is a lot
05:37:16	SS_AZ	better yet, software should work :)
05:37:18	VGambit`	only put music you like on your ipod in the first place
05:37:22	SS_AZ	ive installed it for a reason
05:37:25	SS_AZ	ipods main interface was still better
05:37:30	SS_AZ	only bad thing was it took 10 minutes to get into
05:37:32	VGambit`	that way you just hit shuffle or whatever
05:37:38	VGambit`	if you don't like it, hit skip
05:37:44	SS_AZ	and when i need to find my song
05:37:47	SS_AZ	at the end of 15000 files?/
05:37:56	VGambit`	and SS_AZ there are themes with big fonts
05:37:57	SS_AZ	i side swipe you :P
05:38:01	VGambit`	yeah
05:38:06	VGambit`	then I sue you
05:38:08	SS_AZ	yeah big fonts still wont help when the songs
05:38:10	SS_AZ	only go 1 x 1
05:38:12	SS_AZ	lol good luck
05:38:15	VGambit`	hm
05:38:16	SS_AZ	id leave the country and youd be fucked
05:38:18	SS_AZ	:P
05:38:24	VGambit`	not before the cops hit the scene
05:38:30	SS_AZ	wanna bet?
05:38:32	SS_AZ	30 minutes to mexico :p
05:38:39	VGambit`	at the very least you lose your car
05:38:44	SS_AZ	yeah
05:38:44	VGambit`	then you can never come back to the US
05:38:45	VGambit`	come on
05:38:48	SS_AZ	actually yeah you can
05:38:53	SS_AZ	3 years after that type of incident
05:38:54	SS_AZ	and you cant sue ;)
05:38:55	VGambit`	and get arrested
05:38:56	SS_AZ	and i can come back
05:38:57	SS_AZ	nope
05:39:01	VGambit`	hit and run = illegal
05:39:04	SS_AZ	yeah and after 3 years
05:39:07	SS_AZ	they cant do anything ;)
05:39:15	VGambit`	I thought it was 20 something years?
05:39:22	VGambit`	or is that just for certain crimes?
05:39:23	SS_AZ	no, only if someones hurt
05:39:26	VGambit`	ah
05:39:30	VGambit`	and if I'm hurt? lol
05:39:37	SS_AZ	then youre a .. i cant say ;X
05:39:46	VGambit`	ow I skinned my kneww
05:39:47	VGambit`	knee*
05:39:52	SS_AZ	ouch
05:39:54	VGambit`	there's an injury
05:40:03	SS_AZ	lol smart ass
05:40:13	VGambit`	anyway SS_AZ I have no idea
05:40:19	VGambit`	I complained about scroll speed myself
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05:50:01	SS_AZ	darn thank you anyway man :)
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06:56:59	psycho_maniac	Merthsoft: go here and find out: http://robotfindskitten.org/
06:58:57	Merthsoft	i don't get it
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07:02:14	psycho_maniac	this should explain some of it http://robotfindskitten.org/shots/Dreamcast/instructions.jpg
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07:26:37	psycho_maniac	im having an error compiling a build i even compiled in a new folder and still got the error. i just patched this a couple days ago. what is wrong? http://xs320.xs.to/xs320/07406/error_patch.GIF
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07:37:11	psycho_maniac	wonder what i did wrong. it seems to be compiling correctly now
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08:02:36	psycho_maniac	alright anybody know why i am getting this error?
08:03:06	psycho_maniac	im thinking since i reverted the patch cleaned up the folder and even compiled in a new folder that the patch is out of date
08:03:55	amiconn	jhMikeS: Looks like my battery isn't the best anymore. 5h 05min runtime... pretty impressive for that H10. I'll compare with SVN just to be sure
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08:05:48	psycho_maniac	any other opinions why i get this error?
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08:10:27	psycho_maniac	ok now looking at the info that comes up when i patch i get a hunk failed
08:11:18	psycho_maniac	so would that mean its out of date?
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08:42:39	sin613	should __backlight_on() be getting called every single time i press a button?
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08:45:24	scorche\|ltop	much better..
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08:54:20	sin613	which file contains the code that determines when to shut the backlight off due to lack of keypresses?
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09:15:20	\|Rain\|	sin613: what platform?
09:18:17	\|Rain\|	sin613: firmware/backlight.c, backlight_tick
09:20:09	sin613	x5
09:20:57	\|Rain\|	backlight_tick is probably what you're looking for, but there's backlight_thread as well
09:21:03	sin613	that's the one i'm reading through. i had made some adjustments to backlight-x5.c, and noticed that every time i press a button __backlight_on is being called
09:22:04	sin613	that is, whether or not the backlight is already on
09:22:38	\|Rain\|	backlight_on seems to be the de facto method of saying "turn on the backlight if it's off and reset the backlight timer"
09:24:00	amiconn	More precisely it says "turn on the backlight if it's off _and not disabled_, and reset the backlight timer
09:24:48	amiconn	The backlight tick handles the countdown(s), but the actual switching happens in the backlight thread
09:25:16	sin613	yes, but __backlight_on within backlight-x5.c isn't doing any checks. it just changes the irq level and does its pcf50606_write.
09:26:42	sin613	is the checking for a current backlight state supposed to occur in __backlight_on?
09:27:46	amiconn	backlight_on() is the official interface
09:28:08	amiconn	__backlight_on() is only meant to be called from the backlight thread
09:28:31	sin613	i understand, i'm not trying to make any calls to __backlight_on()
09:28:53	sin613	i am just noting that it is being called one way or another every time a button is pressed, regardless of whether the backlight is already on
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09:29:34	sin613	please forgive me, i'm just trying to understand how things are set up right now... familiarizing myself with the code base
09:30:07	amiconn	Yes, it is called every time. Doesn't hurt and keeps the code simple...
09:30:56	sin613	is changing irqs with every button press expensive? let's take playing doom as an example...
09:31:32	sin613	not just changing irq levels, but also the pcf50606_write
09:31:44	\|Rain\|	does that code actually get run when you're in doom?
09:31:49	\|Rain\|	(on every button press)
09:31:59	sin613	i don't know, i'm not that intimate with the code base. :)
09:32:21	\|Rain\|	speaking of backlights
09:32:41	\|Rain\|	I wonder if anyone has made a patch that fades the backlight in/out instead of a simple on/off transition
09:32:53	sin613	that's what i was working on
09:32:55	sin613	ha
09:33:00	\|Rain\|	heh!
09:33:28	\|Rain\|	looks like someone made one for the e200, but it has problems: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6800
09:33:29	sin613	the problem is that it's all jerky unless the fade loop happens between changing irq levels
09:33:43	amiconn	Rockbox already has backlight fading, but that's not possible on the X5
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09:34:02	sin613	it's possible, but it's an ugly hack
09:34:17	sin613	because the code has to go in backlight-x5.c... and it shouldn't go there
09:34:28	amiconn	It requires either a backlight that's controlled via GPIO (like on iriver H1x0, ipods), or a backlight pwm controller with enough steps
09:34:49	amiconn	The pwm steps of the pcf50606 are too coarse for fading (only 13 usable steps)
09:35:00	sin613	amiconn: i've already tested it on my x5. it's a cheap fade, but it's a fade
09:35:27	sin613	it looks more polished than on/off
09:35:33	sin613	but there's no clean way to do it
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09:35:49	sin613	coming back to __backlight_on() being called with every button press...
09:36:47	sin613	since the fading is jerky unless it happens inside __backlight_on()... well, every time you press a button the backlight fades in (fairly smoothly, i might add)
09:37:08	\|Rain\|	track the backlight state with a static or global var?
09:38:51	sin613	that would be nice
09:39:05	amiconn	The backlight thread would have to handle such a fade, in conjunction with the backlight tick
09:39:56	amiconn	But on targets where the backlight is hooked to the pcf, it's really not worth it
09:40:10	sin613	i thought it was worth it when i tested it
09:40:15	sin613	:)
09:40:29	sin613	so now i've got what i like
09:40:52	amiconn	On gigabeat it might be better with its 64 pwm steps
09:40:55	sin613	buuut, i have to make backlight_on() check if the backlight is already on
09:41:03	amiconn	(the software pwm on H1x0 and ipod uses 100 steps)
09:41:24	amiconn	sin613: Nope, you'd have to add code to the backlight tick and backlight thread
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09:41:40	sin613	the fading on those is much better, no doubt
09:41:47	amiconn	__backlight_on() is the hardware specific code to switch the light on, unconditionally
09:42:23	amiconn	On X5, you have very few steps left if the backlight isn't set to full brightness
09:42:31	*	amiconn has usually set it to 8..10
09:42:57	amiconn	And fade-in is a bad idea on colour LCDs, unless it's a very quick fade-in
09:43:26	\|Rain\|	I'd vote for very quick fade-in anyway, but just out of curiosity −− why single out colour LCDs?
09:43:29	amiconn	What I (still) want to implement is a half-bright step before switching the backlight off
09:43:52	amiconn	Because colour LCDs are (usually) unreadable without backlight
09:43:54	sin613	backlight_update_state
09:44:00	amiconn	There are very few exceptions
09:44:28	amiconn	(the only rockbox targets with transflective colour LCDs are the ipod video and nano)
09:45:43	\|Rain\|	ah, I see what you're saying
09:46:08	\|Rain\|	half-bright step −− you mean a second timer at half brightness before fading completely? (as many cell phones do)
09:46:50	amiconn	yes
09:47:17	ddalton	amiconn: have you got time to answer a couple of questions?
09:47:20	amiconn	On targets that have hardware pwm, i.e. iaudio X5 and iriver H300, and probably gigabeat (but that I can't do myself)
09:47:25	ddalton	3
09:47:50	amiconn	The half-bright step would of course be configurable
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09:48:23	\|Rain\|	I think I'd like that even more than fading, though I'd like to see both (I'd prefer a fairly quick fade out and an even quicker fade in, so the lack of brightness steps probably wouldn't be a terribly big deal −− I'd have to it, though)
09:49:06	\|Rain\|	I don't even know if you can send the messages fast enough on the e200 since the backlight is controlled via i2c
09:56:27	amiconn	On X5 it's also i2c controlled
09:57:02	amiconn	..and on several other targets too - that's the reason why __backlight_on() isn't called directly from the backlight tick
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10:00:36	sin613	what is the user setting for backlight brightness?
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10:47:41	sin613	is there a nanosleep() in rockbox?
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11:11:18	linuxstb	pixelma: ;) I didn't notice...
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11:12:38	Isolinear	lol
11:15:40	sin613	can any of the functions in backlight.c access the backlight value in settings?
11:18:18	linuxstb	sin613: Not directly - firmware code has no knowledge of apps/. But there should be a function exported by firmware/ which the apps code calls to tell firmware the current backlight setting - probably set_backlight_something...
11:19:39	sin613	i know i can backlight_set_brightness(), but i'm hoping i can retrieve the value that's already set
11:20:03	ddalton	sin613: you mean in the source code?
11:20:09	sin613	yes
11:20:52	sin613	i've got a quick backlight fade in/out for the x5 (verrrry quick), but i'm just going between MIN_ and MAX_BACKLIGHT_SETTING
11:21:08	sin613	ideally i would be using the user setting as the max
11:21:32	ddalton	sin613: settings.h might help. It has all the variables that hold the value of the settings (I think)
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11:21:50	sin613	i'll give it a check
11:21:59	ddalton	anyway timeformat is in it and that is a setting ("time format" setting)
11:22:14	ddalton	what exactly are you looking for?
11:22:28	sin613	the user-selected backlight brightness
11:22:45	pixelma	sin613: can't you just look up and compare how it's done for Ipods and H100?
11:23:03	sin613	the fading?
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11:24:02	pixelma	yes, and how that 'interacts' with the other brightness settings
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11:25:28	sin613	(02:39:05 AM) amiconn: The backlight thread would have to handle such a fade, in conjunction with the backlight tick
11:25:29	sin613	(02:39:56 AM) amiconn: But on targets where the backlight is hooked to the pcf, it's really not worth it
11:25:50	sin613	the x5 has backlight hooked to the pcf, so i don't believe i can go about it in a similar manner
11:27:05	sin613	i could be wrong, way wrong
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11:27:39	sin613	but my understanding as to why the x5 never received fading was because it couldn't be done the same way as ipods
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11:32:22	JdGordon	hey all
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11:52:23	JdGordon	pixelma: you round?
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11:58:22	pixelma	round? I hope you won't describe me this way... ;)
11:58:37	JdGordon	i know better than to even suggest that sort of thing :)
11:58:54	JdGordon	will you be terribly annoyed if I commit the themes menu cleanup?
11:59:12	JdGordon	want to get it in before i have to really start exam studying :p
11:59:21	_spanner_	How can I quickly scroll throuch a long list of songs on an ipod video? The manual talks about using the "fast forward" and "rewind" buttons to get accelerated scrolling, but the ipod video doesn't have these buttons...
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12:00:39	pixelma	JdGordon: hmm... maybe not - but I haven't tried the patch yet so can't comment on in detail
12:00:52	JdGordon	im asking more for the lack pf maual update
12:01:08	JdGordon	i highly doubt anyone would feel the change is for the worse
12:02:19	pixelma	I figured but I can't tell for sure what I would rate higher - the benefit it could bring (because I haven't tried) or the lack of the manual update...
12:04:21	JdGordon	as for the PLA message, yeah, not my finest hour :p I'd remove it if I wasnt so lazy :p
12:04:53	pixelma	maybe I'm not the best to talk to, that's what I wanted to say
12:06:43	Isolinear	What is the themes and menu cleanup?
12:07:09	JdGordon	fs#7458 i think
12:07:39	JdGordon	7864 even
12:07:46	JdGordon	3/4 numbers right :D
12:07:52	Isolinear	lol
12:12:39	pixelma	no wonder you hate maths :P
12:12:45	Isolinear	lol
12:12:57	Isolinear	So how would the menus tree out once this is applied?
12:13:09	JdGordon	the only change is in one of the comments
12:13:21	JdGordon	just cleans up the lcd settings menu under display setings
12:13:34	JdGordon	unless you have a colour tagret youll never notice it
12:13:57	Isolinear	5G ;)
12:15:28	Isolinear	Did the line selector stuff get put into a submenu or is it still in Theme Settings with this patch?
12:15:49	stripwax	Any demand for a translucent line selector?
12:16:29	JdGordon	Isolinear: its now in a submenu
12:16:34	JdGordon	stripwax: go for it :D
12:16:41	Isolinear	I demand an accelerated selector... :P
12:16:50	stripwax	;)
12:17:49	Isolinear	7738 anyone? :D
12:18:22	Isolinear	JdGordon: Looks good. I say go for it.
12:18:37	JdGordon	care to right up the manul entry for it?
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12:21:06	Isolinear	Sure, as soon as I figure out how to edit it... :)
12:21:58	JdGordon	jhMikeS: (reading thorugh logs) I patched my bootloader ages ago to boot from the mSD, but never commited that code
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12:23:02	Isolinear	JdGordon: Appears to be a bit more complex than simply making changes to a wiki... Care to give me a crash course in contributing to the manual?
12:23:33	JdGordon	not really... pixelma will be able to point you int he right direction though
12:24:17	Isolinear	I'm all ears.
12:24:26	Isolinear	...eyes..
12:24:40	Isolinear	Whatever.. Someone teach me.. lol
12:27:16	pixelma	Isolinear: it'll already be very helpful if you could simple write a nice description of it in plain text and post it to the tracker (and if you have the insight, state which targets it applies to - e.g. menu x will be in settings for all targets but colour settings only on colour targets, of course)
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12:29:37	Isolinear	Just as soon as I remember my login for the tracker... :)
12:29:53	pixelma	or if you know a bit about tex or feel like diving into, then you could have a look at the manual source (part of svn) - it's not that hard I think, didn't know something about it before I started working a bit with the Rockbox manual myself
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12:40:41	Isolinear	pixelma: Aren't there different versions of the manual depending on the target?
12:41:15	Isolinear	In other words, shouldn't I write two descriptions? One for color targets and another for non-color targets?
12:41:41	Isolinear	The second one simply omitting any references to color settings...
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12:43:50	pixelma	the manuals are all made from the same source - some things are excluded from some targets or only included for a specific targets (similar to the ifs in c code)
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12:45:11	Isolinear	I see... So should I just write it for color targets and let whomever commits it take care of the exclusions?
12:45:36	Isolinear	Or just write it as a blanket statement that mentions how color settings only apply to color targets?
12:45:48	Isolinear	Just trying to figure out how clean we care about keeping the manual... :)
12:46:08	pixelma	you could do this, maybe just put a comment above the part that only applies to colour targets
12:46:45	Isolinear	(wow, that last sentence was terrible... No worries, I don't usually write that way...)
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12:47:16	Isolinear	It just happens to be almost 4am.. Heh.
12:47:47	pixelma	hehe
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12:52:23	Isolinear	Is this where it's going? http://svn.rockbox.org/viewvc.cgi/trunk/manual/configure_rockbox/display_options.tex
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12:55:59	pixelma	sounds reasonable if it's a new entry in the display options - I'm off for lunch , back later
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13:03:15	Isolinear	Looks like none of the gradient option has been documented yet...
13:04:12	Isolinear	JdGordon: I'm off to bed, but if you commit it, I'll write it all up... Looks pretty simple to do.
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13:11:02	hachi	ooooh, I just saw a fun message
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13:11:06	hachi	"Playlist buffer full"
13:11:23	hachi	and then it just went on trying to play music... seems to be working
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13:37:46	JdGordon	pixelma: what do you tinhk about changing the order of the first settings menu to "sound settings, geenral settings, theme settings, recording settings, manage settings", instead of manage settings being 3rd?
13:38:05	kx	can rockbox possibly do brightness for an ipod video in future ?
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13:47:35	kx	can rockbox possibly do brightness for an ipod video in future ?
13:48:20	JdGordon	im sorry.. we only answer what-if questions if they are asked 3 times in 15 min
13:48:47	ddalton	JdGordon: what file is the menu button code in? (the one with the case statements
13:48:51	ddalton	)
13:48:55	kx	lol
13:48:57	JdGordon	menu.c
13:49:01	ddalton	ok thanks
13:49:16	ddalton	what do I look for switch (button)
13:49:18	ddalton	?
13:49:45	JdGordon	something like that
13:49:51	JdGordon	ACTION_STD_OK would be easier
13:50:02	Lear	Slasheri: ping?
13:50:40	JdGordon	ddalton: around line 355
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13:51:31	amiconn	hi Lear
13:51:38	Lear	Hi.
13:51:42	amiconn	Seems the flac mystery is solved...
13:52:04	Lear	Yep, now I'm digging into dircache issues instead. :)
13:52:07	*	amiconn thinks it's a similar effect as what he had on his linux box
13:52:55	amiconn	Messed up file data with no error message at all... since that experience, I always put files on my targets using windows
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13:53:48	ddalton	JdGordon: thanks
13:54:09	ddalton	JdGordon: so what is "ret" for? Do I need to use it? can I just run my function in that if?
13:54:10	JdGordon	Lear: if your looking at dircache, could you have a look at the pathc to enable it for multivolume?
13:54:31	JdGordon	ddalton: well, i have no idea what you want to do.. so yes? no?
13:54:47	JdGordon	ret is what the menu funciton returns if done == true
13:54:50	ddalton	JdGordon: I am just running a function I have already written.
13:54:54	JdGordon	must be one of hte defines in root_menu.h
13:55:02	JdGordon	does it do anything?
13:55:06	ddalton	edited the keymap file and added my action to action.h so that's done.
13:55:18	ddalton	and written my function
13:55:49	amiconn	Dircache for multivolume would probably be possible, dircache for hotswap will not
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13:55:59	ddalton	It does from the file browser (I edited tree.h) and the playlist catalog I think
13:56:11	Lear	JdGordon: Without a target to test on, I'd rather not...
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13:57:14	ddalton	JdGordon: where do I add my new action for a tap of rec? above that line in an if the same way
13:57:20	ddalton	in the same way?
13:58:24	Lear	amiconn: The patch adds a cache rebuild on swap.
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14:00:49	pixelma	currently the only targets that have multivolume are flash targets - to me the only use of dircache there is for the database because some functions there rely on it. Wouldn't it be better to change something there?
14:00:50	JdGordon	ddalton: yes
14:01:12	Lear	But as the patch doesn't address the issue of fd bindings, the cache could be disabled sometime after a swap, I think.
14:01:19	JdGordon	pixelma: of course, but it is consicevable that a hard disk target with hotswap comes along
14:01:21	Lear	pixelma: a very good point indeed...
14:01:29	amiconn	Lear: How does that work during playback? I don't think that will be possible...
14:02:29	Lear	amiconn: You mean a rebuild?
14:02:33	amiconn	yes
14:02:44	amiconn	It might be possible to use dircache for the fixed volume(s) only, but I don't think it's worth the added complexity
14:03:10	Lear	Don't see why that would be a problem as such. You can start playback while the cache is building now...
14:05:58	amiconn	Yes, but only if the rebuild is running in the background, which requires to know in advance how much ram it needs
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14:06:19	amiconn	With hotswap you cannot know that
14:08:28	ddalton	JdGordon: thanks for your help I am compiling now.
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14:13:04	ddalton	JdGordon: no errors it compiled but I got warnings
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14:23:11	ddalton	JdGordon: My patch won't work in the wps at all. If I do a long rec in the main menu it says a bit of my function and then it does the normal code (go to the rec screen) Also I get warnings when compiling. Do you know how I can fix these?
14:23:19	ddalton	do you have time to look at my patch? http://pastebin.ca/raw/727799
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14:24:14	afliw	i need help
14:24:17	afliw	pls
14:24:31	afliw	someone there?
14:24:32	ddalton	afliw: ask your question
14:24:50	ddalton	we can't help you if you don't ask :-)
14:25:56	afliw	okey ^^
14:26:15	afliw	i have an mp3 player named "Titan" (1GB)
14:26:35	afliw	how do i do to know what kind of mp3 it is?
14:26:37	ddalton	your question?
14:26:55	ddalton	the brand moddle but it sounds like it won't run rb
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14:27:24	afliw	mm...
14:27:28	afliw	that's bad
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14:28:38	afliw	do you know some page that could help me... some programs to extract firmware or to see information form the player directly (my english is not very good =P)
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14:32:06	zicho	How di I enable shuffled playback?
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14:34:35	ddalton	afliw: first see if you own a supported player
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14:38:23	ddalton	zicho: Settings/general settings/playback/ shuffle I think
14:39:13	zicho	thx
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16:25:53	stripwax	Hm, question on battery_bench. I ran it on my 60GB 5g , but I forgot to clear my rb settings first. I have quite a busy wps, but was pleasantly surprised to get 11:30hrs until player shut off. I reran, and cleared settings this time, but got only 10:30hrs. HOWEVER: plotting the two series side by side, I see the battery decay is comparable. But in the first run, rb shuts down when the battery is at 3%, and on the second run it sh
16:26:53	stripwax	Is it possible battery bench just lost the last hour of stats (that's where the battery_bench.txt file ends, maybe the player actually ran for 11:30hr on both runs but the log is truncated?)
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16:29:22	Domonoky	jup thats normal, if battery is empty the harddrive cant spin up, and the last chunk of the log is lost.. i think..
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16:32:15	stripwax	Ok. On the first run, it managed to flush a bunch of stuff after 10:15 then at 11:25. On the second it flushed at 10:52 and then I guess it died at some point after that.
16:32:34	stripwax	Oh, so in fact that means I don't know how long my player ran for after all! Something > 11:30hr is all I know.
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16:34:40	Domonoky	yup.. :-) but there is possibliy a max, as the battery_bench will write every x minutes.. so its 11:30 + max x minutes.. i dont know how big x is..
16:34:53	XavierGr	stripwax: you can't be sure on critical battery levels
16:35:22	XavierGr	stripwax: there is always some interval that you might loose +- some minutes that depend on the codec
16:35:57	XavierGr	eg for 128kbps mp3s this interval is about 30 minutes
16:36:18	XavierGr	the lower the bitrate the greater the uncertainty is
16:36:47	stripwax	yep, I'm using q4 (~128) vorbis. If the interval is about 40mins then actually that adds up
16:36:59	stripwax	thanks
16:37:02	XavierGr	that's because in order to be accurate battery_bench will write to the log only when the disk is moved by an external event (music rebuffering)
16:37:34	XavierGr	so the plugin might loose some minutes because the unit can play quite some minutes if the hard drive doesn't move
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16:38:35	XavierGr	I think that the less accurate measurement is to make a full bench without playing music
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16:38:51	XavierGr	which at that point the plugin will write to the log at the maximum 1 hour interval
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19:42:52	NeMetS_666	Hi all!
19:43:22	NeMetS_666	How I can play Midi oh X-5?
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19:45:06	agm3nt	go to file browser and play it
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19:47:50	NeMetS_666	Write error -> No MIDI patchset found. Please Instal the instrum... See RockBox page for more: ...
19:48:07	NeMetS_666	What is it?
19:48:36	agm3nt	http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginMidiPlay
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19:48:54	agm3nt	read notes
19:50:24	NeMetS_666	I download "A sample patchset is available here" and extracted in .rockbox dir... but error =(
19:51:34	agm3nt	in ./rockbox/patchset??
19:51:45	NeMetS_666	ou...
19:51:51	NeMetS_666	No
19:51:57	NeMetS_666	Thenks)
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19:54:25	NeMetS_666	I must Install?
19:54:37	NeMetS_666	How its doing?
19:55:32	agm3nt	only extract in ./rockbox/patchset
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20:00:13	rjg	finally updated rockbox on my iriver after over a year, I see MIDI playback is now supported... is it using the timidity library? if so, will it understand XG midi in its current form? (I was going to start mucking about with the patch config files to add in XG stuff as in eawpats 12)
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20:01:40	iPodjashi	http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13109.0
20:01:43	iPodjashi	help, anyone?
20:04:12	NeMetS_666	agm3nt, not worked =( Help me plz
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20:06:09	agm3nt	NeMetS_666: what is wrong??
20:09:38	NeMetS_666	I unpack rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 on dir /.rockbox/patchset and i have dirs /.rockbox/patchset/apps , /.rockbox/patchset/bootloader and so...
20:10:04	NeMetS_666	in folder - files .h and .c
20:10:20	NeMetS_666	restart Player...
20:10:26	agm3nt	rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 ??
20:10:35	NeMetS_666	nothing chenge
20:10:40	NeMetS_666	yes
20:10:42	rjg	now I don't mean to butt in, but why were you extracting that to the patchset dir?
20:10:43	agm3nt	rockbohttp://wam.umd.edu/~stevenm/patchset.tbz2
20:11:20	agm3nt	*http://wam.umd.edu/~stevenm/patchset.tbz2
20:11:29	rjg	heh I wasn't expecting someone else to be also questioning midi at the same time :)
20:11:41	rjg	I suspect XG is asking far too much at the moment though
20:11:58	sin613	the midi playback was a pleasant surprise
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20:12:10	rjg	sin613: it was :)
20:12:15	sin613	has that pretty much just been stevenm's thing?
20:13:12	rjg	of course now I'm wondering if the patchset can be tweaked to include XG stuff or if it's all statically linked at the moment
20:14:04	NeMetS_666	I thik, itis what i am looking.... Thenks =) Very BIG thenks
20:15:44	NeMetS_666	Yahoo!!! NOW I CAN PLAY in DooM with music ))
20:16:39	NeMetS_666	dou.... No... music disable ... WHY???
20:17:04	rjg	that won't work I'm afraid, as far as I know..
20:17:37	rjg	rockbox isn't going to provide a midi device which doom could use, it's just able to play back midi files
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20:18:47	NeMetS_666	ouuu... Thenks... I undestude that - > I can play DooM on X-5 whith Music =(
20:19:51	rjg	hm
20:20:23	NeMetS_666	Ктонить говрит по русски?
20:20:39	parafin	NeMetS_666, me
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20:21:02	NeMetS_666	Привет)
20:21:28	parafin	i don't think people here would like us to talk in russian
20:21:42	krazykit	especially because it's against the guidelines
20:22:06	sin613	half of my family speaks russian near fluently... but i don't know a single word
20:22:10	rjg	heh, I was wondering.. non unicode font here so all I get is '?'
20:22:31	NeMetS_666	Тоуу...
20:22:41	desowin	rjg: either non-unicode font or you're not using utf-8 in irc
20:22:53	NeMetS_666	Ok
20:23:31	rjg	desowin: both actually
20:23:43	rjg	but that's out of choice
20:23:59	NeMetS_666	ok... control and last question
20:24:03	krazykit	please do try to stay somewhat on topic ...
20:24:38	NeMetS_666	Can I play DooM with music? and how its made?
20:24:57	desowin	you can't playback music while playing doom
20:25:05	rjg	who's best to chat to about the midi plugin?
20:25:39	sin613	stevenm, i believe.
20:25:55	rjg	does he pop in here at all?
20:26:06	sin613	i've seen him several times in the last few days
20:26:14	rjg	cool
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20:27:53	NeMetS_666	10x i undestend
20:27:59	NeMetS_666	=)
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21:01:58	kretender	how do I use the IRAM in a plugin?
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21:16:06	DefineByte	Does this error mean anything to anyone? I get it when I build the manual (edited by me):
21:16:06	DefineByte	./getting_started/installation.tex:149: Package utf8x Error: Character 145 appeared alone.
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21:26:42	Terinjokes	hey, rockbox supports both 5.0 and 5.5 ipod videos now, right
21:26:59	jhMikeS	kretender: see an IRAM using plugin, there's quite a number of them
21:27:25	PaulJam	Terinjokes: yes (see the frontpage)
21:27:53	Terinjokes	PaulJam: just making sure :P, i know for a while we had a problem with the filesystem...
21:28:12	Terinjokes	(i think i remember putting rockbox on a video 5.5, but I don't remember)
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21:30:59	kretender	ok i did
21:31:05	kretender	but there is a problem
21:31:32	kretender	whenever i use the IBSS_ATTR keyword in a include file the linker complains about multiple definitions
21:31:47	kretender	how should i solve that?
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21:36:00	linuxstb_	kretender: Can you pastebin an example?
21:36:16	kretender	ok
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21:39:40	kretender	linuxstb_: http://pastebin.com/m24e8c96f
21:39:51	kretender	this is the file i want to include
21:40:01	kretender	should i post the main file too?
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21:41:16	eigma	".h" files should only ever have "extern" variable declarations. ".c" files should have the exact same line, without the "extern" word.
21:41:18	linuxstb_	You shouldn't put array declarations in .h files - they should go in .c files.
21:41:47	jhMikeS	kretender: use "extern fixedr sin_vecpi[16];" in the .h and fixedr sin_vecpi[16] IBSS_ATTR; in the C
21:41:55	eigma	it is the difference between variable _storage_ (which can only be in a .c file) and variable declaration (i.e., telling the compiler that it exists, or will exist, at link-time)
21:42:23	kretender	ok, thank you very much, ill try it
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21:45:20	rjg	woaah what on earth is it doing lol, it's making a dogs dinner of this one
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22:30:05	amiconn	jhMikeS: I have a rather odd result from my 2 runtime tests on H10: exactly the same runtime, with and without the dev reset
22:30:10	amiconn	5 hours 5 minutes
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22:45:05	jhMikeS	amiconn: so what's up with that?
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22:45:49	amiconn	I would really like to know that...
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22:48:02	jhMikeS	maybe the clocking instability made it use more power? all I can think of.
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22:52:35	*	Bagder got some updates
22:53:42	*	jhMikeS thinks it's almost time to commit the good-chunk-of-a-year-old pcm rework anyway. no more H10 fretting about it.
22:55:03	Bagder	http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200.html now mentions three updated docs
22:55:06	Bagder	from MrH
22:55:58	jhMikeS	juicy stuff?
22:56:17	Bagder	updated the memory controller stuff
22:56:26	Bagder	and a new "Semi-Independent DMA interface" doc
22:56:47	Bagder	and updated NAND docs
22:57:47	jhMikeS	hey, if he wants to look into all the hw sync primitive stuff too, don't stop him. :)
22:58:15	Bagder	if you have any specific questions, I could pass them on...
22:59:02	jhMikeS	regarding the hardware mailboxes and semaphores so we can get this dual core thing settled.
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23:00:54	Bagder	so the question is basically how they work/are controlled?
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23:04:11	jhMikeS	Badger: yeah. I do know there's good deal of registers involved and it's a faily complicated thing with subtle aspects.
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23:11:14	Isolinear	Is there any way to get Rockbox to hide folders with a hidden attribute?
23:11:25	Isolinear	Namely the iPod_Control folder... I don't want to see it.
23:12:21	parafin	i've finished my fuse filesystem, which adds to vfat FS symlinks and special characters in filenames. Anyone interested in testing it?
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23:16:27	Domonoky	Isolinear: if you ste the filevie to supported, it should be hidden in rockbox, if it has the hidden attibute
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23:17:45	Isolinear	Ah, ok... I had tried that but it was still visible, but once I backed out of the "Files" section and went back in, it wasn't there... Basically just had to refresh. :)
23:20:03	PaulJam	little question: why is there a separate setting for a solid colour lineselector? can't you just set the primary and secondary colour the same to achieve this (with the gradient selector)?
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23:21:21	Isolinear	You can.
23:21:29	linuxstb_	parafin: Do you mean you've added support to Rockbox for that?
23:22:21	Isolinear	Perhaps it has to do with Rockbox having to draw from only one value in "solid color" mode as opposed to drawing from two values in "gradient mode"?
23:22:43	Isolinear	That's the first theory I could come up with and I don't write code so who knows.
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23:23:39	PaulJam	ah, so solid colour is faster. that makes sense.
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23:25:09	Isolinear	Could be, that's all I'm saying... I'm just guessing.
23:25:13	parafin	linuxstb_, nope, it's just a way to copy such files from linux FS to fat
23:25:20	Isolinear	Anyone who knows better, feel free to jump in.
23:25:20	parafin	it's just can be handy
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23:26:39	sin613	i am requesting write status to the wiki (user PhilipBarton)
23:27:55	krazykit	what are you planning on changing?
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23:28:17	Bagder	sin613: fixed!
23:28:25	sin613	adding my battery bench, fm presets, etc
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23:28:43	sin613	thanks, Bagder
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23:33:33	Heyoka	has anyone here pre-ordered radioheads new album?
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23:34:59	Domonoky	no its too expensive.. hehe
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23:35:10	parafin	:)
23:35:17	Heyoka	I'm getting some help from the folks at #vorbis to place an email I sent regarding open formats, rockbox and freedom of choice to radioheads site operators, they never responded but well try to turn it into a coherent and well argumented text
23:35:44	Heyoka	something that can be used as email campaign form or online petition to get critical mass and their attention
23:36:07	parafin	what's wrong with new radioheads release?
23:36:12	ze	hmm
23:36:22	ze	i haven't even seen an indication of what format(s) they'll be posting in
23:36:29	Heyoka	thats the point
23:37:01	Heyoka	were trying to make a petition making the case for open formats, and the artificial restricitons placed by vendors like apple
23:37:04	*	webguest99 points to #Rockbox-community
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23:37:28	Heyoka	and rockbox would be a big part of showing them that open formats can be a feasible way
23:37:31	*	Soap points to #Rockbox-community
23:37:34	Heyoka	ok
23:37:46	Heyoka	I should take this up to rockbox community then?
23:38:04	Soap	Somewhere other than the developement and support channel.
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23:39:46	Heyoka	ok
23:39:49	Heyoka	thanks for your time
23:40:09	ze	heh
23:40:28	Heyoka	before I take my business there mind if I drop the url to the zero draft of the vorbis/flac/support rockbox and user freedom text?
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23:40:41	Heyoka	I've been sleep deprived for weeks
23:41:01	iamben	this is borderline spam
23:41:05	iamben	for a good cause, but still
23:41:08	ze	weeks? and whats wrong with continuing in #rockbox-community
23:41:30	Heyoka	ok
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23:42:26	Heyoka	I've stopped now and am moving to the rockbox community site
23:42:29	Heyoka	channel
23:42:31	Heyoka	sorry
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23:46:32	Heyoka	by the way if rockbox does get involved I would be happy to pledge to donate as much as I payed for the album
23:46:47	Heyoka	speccially since the c200 port came just in time for my shiny new toy
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23:46:52	Heyoka	speaking of which
23:47:22	Heyoka	any thing a non programming adventurous space monkey can do with rockbox on the c250 that could be of any use to the devs?
23:48:44	PaulJam	Heyoka: you could help to keep the manual up to date for example.
23:50:02	Heyoka	ok
23:50:32	Heyoka	first I should advise people not to upgrade their original firmware
23:50:53	rasher	Any reason why there couldn't be voice thumbnail support in the db? With a client-side utility to read the contents of the db and generate the needed clips?
23:50:56	Heyoka	and if they do, the diag/rescue mode is not activaded by pressing the down button but the rec button
23:52:10	linuxstb_	rasher: What do you mean by "thumbnail"?
23:52:36	rasher	linuxstb_: .talk clips (they're often referred to as thumbnails, not quite sure why actually)
23:52:46	\|Rain\|	the context menu in the database browser −− the one that has "Playlist" and nothing else (at least for me) −− does anyone know where that menu is in the source offhand?
23:53:18	linuxstb_	rasher: So you want want .talk clips for the tags?
23:53:29	rasher	Pretty much, yes
23:54:09	rasher	to make the db accessible without having to use spelling
23:54:30	linuxstb_	Wouldn't that mean a lot of clips?
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23:55:12	rasher	It would, but disk space is cheap
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23:56:15	rasher	Depends on the type of collection too. If you have lots of full albums, it'd be closer to 1 clip per song
23:56:39	Robin0800	would it be possible for the shortcut function, if set to an mp3 file it could play it or a jpeg display it?
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23:56:53	tdtooke	if I may interject just for a moment: have there been any changes lately with the cop on PP players?
23:57:13	linuxstb_	rasher: Do you know how the .talk clips work in the file browser? I mean how are they buffered to minimise disk spinups?
23:57:38	rasher	linuxstb_: nope
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