| 00:08:19 | preglow | woopwoop |
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| 00:09:19 | lazka | Linux 2.6.23 out now :) |
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| 00:13:31 | x3ro | Hi... I've got a big problem with mpegplayer would someone be so kind to help me? =) |
| 00:14:47 | x3ro | I just installed rockbox and I cant get videos to work... the ipod always hangs up itself when loading |
| 00:15:19 | Llorean | x3ro: What process did you use to convert them? |
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| 00:17:57 | x3ro | I tried it using WinFF |
| 00:18:14 | x3ro | and the presents.xml from the manual |
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| 00:19:24 | Llorean | And the mpeg file you got from it plays on your computer? What SVN revision is your Rockbox build? |
| 00:21:10 | x3ro | Yes it does on vlc player... I downloaded that one -> http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip an hour ago^^ |
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| 00:22:35 | k0shyx | hi i have a question |
| 00:22:46 | k0shyx | v |
| 00:23:07 | * | n1s looks for chrystal ball |
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| 00:23:37 | k0shyx | hello? |
| 00:23:56 | n1s | nope didn't find it, you better just ask your question then... |
| 00:24:18 | k0shyx | k does rockbox support audiobooks? |
| 00:24:34 | k0shyx | especially for ipod 5.5 gen |
| 00:24:48 | n1s | if they are encoded in one of the many formats rockbox supports then yes |
| 00:24:58 | n1s | or what do you mean by "support" |
| 00:25:08 | k0shyx | like in the apple firmware |
| 00:25:14 | k0shyx | there is a section titled audiobooks |
| 00:25:20 | k0shyx | and they're all organized and stuff |
| 00:25:26 | k0shyx | like that, can rockbox do that? |
| 00:25:35 | n1s | I have never used the apple firmware but you could put them in their own folder |
| 00:25:52 | k0shyx | oh the music is sorted in folders? |
| 00:25:57 | n1s | or probably create some custom view for the database but I never messed with that stuff |
| 00:26:21 | n1s | k0shyx: you can browse by metadata too, that's what we call the database |
| 00:26:35 | k0shyx | oh really? i didnt knwo that |
| 00:26:43 | k0shyx | see i'm new to rockbox and i'm thinking of installing it |
| 00:27:08 | n1s | k0shyx: if you don't like it you can just uninstall it again |
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| 00:27:46 | k0shyx | k cool, but i think i'll like it based on what i've read on the rockbox site and on the forums |
| 00:28:01 | k0shyx | thanks for your help n1s |
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| 00:28:10 | n1s | i recomend reading a bit in the manual too |
| 00:28:47 | k0shyx | k will do, thanks |
| 00:29:19 | scorche|w | ack...cant put the themes site out tonight...couple days ;) |
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| 00:32:15 | Reno | Hi i was here about 2 days ago i was talking with someone called TMM i think. I told the person i would help him get the new ipod classic data sheets, i just want to know if hes here? |
| 00:32:18 | Reno | :) |
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| 00:33:20 | Zagor | if you have informative data, we are many interested |
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| 00:34:18 | preglow | TMM: ping |
| 00:34:25 | Reno | oh well i just wanted to let him know that i already told my friend about it (He works for apple) and he will try to get them for you guys! |
| 00:34:27 | preglow | Reno: good luck on that, btw |
| 00:34:32 | TMM | Reno: here! |
| 00:34:39 | Reno | hi! |
| 00:34:41 | Reno | :) |
| 00:34:47 | TMM | Reno: well, good luck with that :) |
| 00:34:58 | preglow | if you actually manage to get your hands on those, i'll send you a fruit basket |
| 00:35:00 | scorche|w | very very good luck with that :) |
| 00:35:12 | Reno | he said he'll call me back on saturday. |
| 00:35:23 | Zagor | watch out for black helicopters ;) |
| 00:35:26 | TMM | Reno: I'll send you a crate of beer, if you're in europe :) |
| 00:35:26 | rasher | I guess if enough people within all companies involved start asking for this, it might happen |
| 00:35:26 | Reno | like 7 days |
| 00:35:37 | rasher | One guy asking for docs probably won't help much |
| 00:35:43 | preglow | i hope you'll excuse me for saying so, but i'm afraid i'm not overly optimistic :) |
| 00:35:55 | Reno | its cool |
| 00:35:59 | scorche|w | rasher: here is hoping he doesnt ask ;) |
| 00:36:08 | Reno | he'll try though! :) |
| 00:36:13 | preglow | which is good |
| 00:36:17 | Reno | who knows he might get them! |
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| 00:36:27 | scorche|w | if he doesnt ask, he might :) |
| 00:36:55 | TMM | scorche|w: O dear, you mean... 'leak'? |
| 00:37:01 | scorche|w | "it is easier to apologize than ask for permission..." |
| 00:37:33 | TMM | "I thought it'd be alright" |
| 00:37:36 | Reno | oh i got a question i just downloaded a GIF viewer from this site i want to know ho i can install it? can anyone help? |
| 00:37:39 | Reno | please? |
| 00:37:53 | scorche|w | "this site"? |
| 00:38:07 | Reno | yeah rockbox. |
| 00:38:17 | TMM | apple goon: "Did you read your contract, it says:'On penalty of castration, you shall not leak any data sheets'" |
| 00:38:21 | scorche|w | where did you get it? |
| 00:38:24 | Reno | from tracker/patches. |
| 00:38:34 | TMM | apple goon: "in 25pt comic sans serif" |
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| 00:39:00 | scorche|w | Reno: then you got a patch...not the viewer itself |
| 00:39:03 | cheesemonkey | hello |
| 00:39:10 | scorche|w | see the SimpleGuideToCompiling wikipage |
| 00:39:11 | rasher | TMM: comic sans ms. I should hope there's not a serif version of that font |
| 00:39:20 | cheesemonkey | hello? |
| 00:39:50 | TMM | rasher: "For that classy touch" |
| 00:40:04 | Reno | where can i get the viewer? |
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| 00:40:29 | scorche|w | Reno: you have to compile it....see the page i linked you |
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| 00:41:55 | [IDC]Dragon | hello Rockbox world |
| 00:42:09 | preglow | why, hello |
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| 00:42:54 | * | [IDC]Dragon is currently in silicon valley, therefore that late GMT |
| 00:42:56 | Reno | um...where's the link? |
| 00:43:01 | Reno | sorry? |
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| 00:43:25 | scorche|w | [IDC]Dragon: how long have you been?....3 of us were there last weekend |
| 00:43:38 | scorche|w | Reno: it wasnt a link...it was the name if a wiki page |
| 00:43:39 | [IDC]Dragon | oops |
| 00:43:42 | scorche|w | of |
| 00:43:50 | [IDC]Dragon | I've been here last weekend, too |
| 00:43:54 | scorche|w | bah! |
| 00:44:01 | * | scorche|w kicks [IDC]Dragon |
| 00:44:08 | [IDC]Dragon | ouch |
| 00:44:39 | [IDC]Dragon | why have you been here, and why not any more? |
| 00:44:44 | Reno | ok thank you! i have to go now i'll be back and i'll try to get those sheets asap, thanks! :) |
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| 00:44:50 | pixelma | [IDC]Dragon: and you didn't recognise them in their Rockbox shirts? ;) |
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| 00:44:57 | [IDC]Dragon | haha |
| 00:45:11 | * | [IDC]Dragon is interested in Apple datasheets, too |
| 00:45:17 | scorche|w | [IDC]Dragon: google mentor summit...we were over in mountain view partying at google...then went to san fran sunday |
| 00:45:34 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm considering a new player hardware, actually |
| 00:45:42 | Reno | yeah i'll be back and i'll try to get them bye! :) |
| 00:45:53 | [IDC]Dragon | and where's the crowd now? |
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| 00:46:20 | scorche|w | back home except for markun, who should be leaving tomorrow for new york |
| 00:46:56 | [IDC]Dragon | this is really a pity, I had a rather boring weekend here, we could very well have met |
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| 00:47:20 | scorche|w | bah...i wish i would have known...there is a good chance you could have come to google with us...at the very least, got drunk with us at the hotel (and eaten pizza paid for by google) |
| 00:47:31 | [IDC]Dragon | have you been at the fleet week? |
| 00:48:05 | scorche|w | yeah...we didnt know about it, but just happened to go to san fran and see jets flying above our heads :) |
| 00:49:08 | [IDC]Dragon | I avoided SF, thought it would bee to crowded then |
| 00:49:14 | [IDC]Dragon | too |
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| 00:50:13 | scorche|w | it wasnt bad...but it is a shame that we missed you |
| 00:50:24 | [IDC]Dragon | sigh |
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| 00:51:54 | * | [IDC]Dragon just remembers that he coudn't have joined, left his Rockbox t-shirt at home |
| 00:52:07 | scorche|w | kkurbjun didnt have one either |
| 00:53:28 | [IDC]Dragon | back to my hardware considerations, is there a current trend? Shoud I get a Sansa E280 or bet on Apple classic/nano 3g hardware? |
| 00:54:04 | scorche|w | sansa...not likely that rockbox will be on the new ipods |
| 00:54:19 | [IDC]Dragon | I considered getting a nano 3g, not for Rockbox, just for a nice player |
| 00:54:42 | [IDC]Dragon | but then I realised what a prison Apple has built wit itunes |
| 00:55:14 | scorche|w | not rockbox?...for shame |
| 00:55:28 | [IDC]Dragon | my collection is not well tagged, itunes would make a mess from it |
| 00:55:50 | preglow | it would |
| 00:55:53 | preglow | itunes sucks so badly |
| 00:56:00 | n1s | [IDC]Dragon: the gigabeat S port is in its initial stages, code is running on the target |
| 00:56:15 | preglow | e280 is the better bet, i sincerely doubt we'll have support for the newer ipods anytime soon, if ever |
| 00:56:20 | * | [IDC]Dragon googles what that looks like |
| 00:56:48 | preglow | it's also almost impossible to buy new, and is even rare to find used |
| 00:57:02 | n1s | but yeah if you want a player that's usable (with rockbox) a sansa is a better bet |
| 00:57:17 | n1s | I mean usable _now_ |
| 00:57:24 | * | n1s should go to bed |
| 00:57:33 | pixelma | if you go flash player I'd prefer the Sansa anyways - more flexible with the microSD slot but then the Nano probably has the nicer display |
| 00:58:01 | * | scorche|w leaves for home |
| 00:58:04 | preglow | [IDC]Dragon: all software is encrypted, data sheets are secret, and chips are glued to the main board, really friendly development platform :/ (new ipods) |
| 00:58:23 | [IDC]Dragon | I think I prefer flash, since the HD models are more heavy and the disks too small anyway |
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| 00:58:36 | preglow | [IDC]Dragon: 160 gigs is too small? :P |
| 00:58:39 | Soap | Not that iTunes is required, but... |
| 00:58:45 | [IDC]Dragon | yes, I saw an ipod dissection |
| 00:59:07 | [IDC]Dragon | only apple features 160 GB, right? |
| 00:59:17 | preglow | yeap |
| 00:59:24 | [IDC]Dragon | (my Archos has 160 GB) |
| 00:59:52 | signuts | Is an ARchos OS? |
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| 01:00:07 | [IDC]Dragon | ? |
| 01:00:09 | signuts | Open Specs I should say |
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| 01:00:44 | [IDC]Dragon | the Archos is the where Rockbox emerged from |
| 01:01:22 | [IDC]Dragon | and yes, it is built from standard chips, with all datasheets available |
| 01:01:50 | [IDC]Dragon | and weights nearly a pound... |
| 01:02:00 | signuts | nice. I havn't had a chance to get my hands on one. Just stuck between itunes+ipod (6th gen) and *something else* |
| 01:02:34 | signuts | gah. larger than it looks |
| 01:02:35 | signuts | heh |
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| 01:03:09 | [IDC]Dragon | are the itunes alternatives reasonably useful? Like, would they take the directory name for artist/album name? |
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| 01:04:03 | signuts | [IDC]Dragon, easy to do with amarok |
| 01:04:34 | [IDC]Dragon | amarok can load the latest ipods? |
| 01:04:48 | signuts | no. that's why I i'm stuck |
| 01:05:02 | * | signuts has had a 1st gen ipod for pages |
| 01:05:08 | linuxstb | [IDC]Dragon: IIUC, the itunes database is limited in terms of filename lengths, so you can't just put files anywhere and build a db. |
| 01:05:43 | [IDC]Dragon | gah, sounds bad and worse |
| 01:06:10 | [IDC]Dragon | maybe I should try a capable tagger first |
| 01:07:15 | linuxstb | You may also have read about Apple's addition of a signature in the itunesdb. It's been cracked already, but maybe all the apps haven't been updated yet. |
| 01:07:19 | [IDC]Dragon | my endpoint directories are named "artist - album", this could be tagged into the files if nothing in there |
| 01:07:34 | [IDC]Dragon | linuxstb: yes, saw that |
| 01:08:10 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:08:30 | linuxstb | And of course Apple may do something even worse in the future, although you obviously could stick with older versions of their firmware... But I've no desire to take the closed Apple route. |
| 01:08:58 | [IDC]Dragon | that company really turned evil |
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| 01:10:37 | linuxstb | Although a 160GB disk in that form-factor is very tempting... |
| 01:11:02 | [IDC]Dragon | mount that into the gigabeat... |
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| 01:13:23 | linuxstb | Good luck - the disk has a CE-ATA interface. |
| 01:13:43 | linuxstb | Although I think Samsung have announced 160GB disks with a ZIF interface. |
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| 01:15:19 | Bam2550 | Is it possible to edit the names/titles of things in rockbox like Database −−> Musix Plugins −−> Games |
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| 01:19:10 | Bam2550 | i'm searching the open source area... |
| 01:19:16 | Bam2550 | probably will take forever + 34 |
| 01:19:45 | linuxstb | You can modify apps/lang/english.lang and then compile your own Rockbox build. |
| 01:19:49 | signuts | does rockbox support the touchscreens on the generation4 archos devices? |
| 01:20:07 | linuxstb | It doesn't support anything on the generation4 archos devices. |
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| 01:21:05 | Bam2550 | linuxstb, do you mind going a tad more in depth? |
| 01:21:08 | signuts | ahh. completely different hardware I assume |
| 01:21:23 | * | Nico_P has an apparently good rebuffer and seek implementation :D |
| 01:21:39 | linuxstb | Bam2550: Do you understand what I mean by "compile your own build" ? |
| 01:22:05 | Bam2550 | no, sort of, a little. But cant i just edit the english.lang directly on the ipod? |
| 01:22:37 | linuxstb | english.lang doesn't exist on the ipod |
| 01:22:51 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: so how close to an SVN commit? a few days max I expect :) |
| 01:23:10 | Zagor | c200 usb detect is GPIOH pin 0x02 |
| 01:23:11 | Bam2550 | F:\.rockbox\langs\english.lng |
| 01:23:25 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: I don't know... I want to have it working quite well before I commit |
| 01:23:37 | Nico_P | and there are still a lot of things I haven't tested and debugged |
| 01:23:39 | Zagor | is there a reason for the convoluted usb_detect other than we didn't know the port pin? |
| 01:24:08 | linuxstb | Zagor: It's to determine the difference between a usb connection to a PC, and a usb connection to a wall charger. |
| 01:24:27 | Bam2550 | Linuxstb: cant i just change the word Database in F:\.rockbox\langs\english.lng and save the changes? |
| 01:24:38 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: although I have to say I'm feeling better and better with playback.c and I feel the base is slowly coming together nicely |
| 01:24:56 | linuxstb | Bam2550: Have you tried? |
| 01:25:13 | pixelma | Bam2550: english.lng is not a text file... |
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| 01:25:46 | jhMikeS | Nico_P: I'm sort of kidding around about the few days. That's good to hear though. |
| 01:25:48 | Soligna | Hello, I can't get my sansa e200r to get into recovery mode by loading a vanilla bootloader, when I input the command ./e200tool recover BL_SD_boardSupportSD.rom in ubuntu it says no such file or directory |
| 01:25:50 | chris_mt | hello hello |
| 01:26:14 | linuxstb | Soligna: If you type "ls", do you see e200tool there? |
| 01:26:15 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: :) in a week I hope to have pretty much useable code |
| 01:26:29 | Soligna | yes |
| 01:26:31 | jhMikeS | ah, so _several_ days instead of a few...:P |
| 01:26:53 | |Rain| | Soligna: are you on a 32-bit or 64-bit system? (assuming x86) |
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| 01:27:00 | Soligna | linuxstb: 64-bit |
| 01:27:15 | Soligna | well, that was to rain anyways |
| 01:27:16 | linuxstb | |Rain|: 64-bit ;) |
| 01:27:41 | |Rain| | Soligna: do you have 32-bit compatibility libraries installed? if the 32-bit ld-linux.so.2 can't be found, it'll also say 'no such file or directory' when you try to run it |
| 01:27:45 | |Rain| | (even if you have the path correct) |
| 01:28:27 | [IDC]Dragon | what's special with the Sansa "R" postfixed models? |
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| 01:28:48 | linuxstb | More security against 3rd party code. |
| 01:28:59 | [IDC]Dragon | I reckon it's about Rhapsody support, does it make any difference for us? |
| 01:29:10 | Soligna | |Rain| accidentally hit the back button, no I dont think the 32 bit libraries are installed |
| 01:29:42 | |Rain| | Soligna: that's probably your problem if you're using a precompiled e200tool (which I got the impression you are −− but I might be wrong) |
| 01:30:18 | [IDC]Dragon | should I avoid an R model, or go for it, or is it irrelevant? |
| 01:30:24 | linuxstb | [IDC]Dragon: The hardware appears to be identical, but the original firmware only upgrades itself with firmwares passing a signature check, which requires a private key we don't know. |
| 01:30:27 | Soligna | |Rain| I am, should I just switch to my 32 bit, or where can I get the libraries? |
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| 01:30:36 | chris_mt | what's the easiest way to check what's been recently committed for a certain target? |
| 01:31:00 | [IDC]Dragon | linuxstb: I read that as an "avoid at all cost" |
| 01:31:06 | linuxstb | [IDC]Dragon: Assuming you have access to a Linux box, you can install Rockbox. |
| 01:31:11 | linuxstb | (so no, it's fine) |
| 01:31:14 | Zagor | chris_mt: most commits are multi-target |
| 01:31:22 | chris_mt | hmmm |
| 01:31:24 | chris_mt | ok. |
| 01:31:25 | |Rain| | Soligna: you could try to find a 64-bit e200tool binary or compile your own |
| 01:31:59 | chris_mt | I'm wondering if the sansa usb situation has improved in the past week, or how it's coming |
| 01:32:05 | |Rain| | Soligna: otherwise, your linux distribution probably has packages for it, but I'm still using a 32-bit box so I don't know what the package name is on ubuntu offhand |
| 01:32:22 | [IDC]Dragon | linuxstb: I have, and perhaps need to read about how and why the oinstallation works |
| 01:32:24 | Soligna | |Rain| I think I'll just get a 32 bit version of ubuntu and try it on my other computer, I dont think there is a 64 bit version of e200tool and I dont have the knowledge to compile my own |
| 01:33:00 | Soligna | |Rain| thanks for the help, this has been giving me trouble the past few hours |
| 01:33:24 | |Rain| | hopefully I'm not completely off my rocker |
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| 01:33:35 | Soligna | hopefully :) |
| 01:33:35 | |Rain| | I'm still recovering from an 18-hour work day on 2 hours of sleep |
| 01:33:36 | Zagor | chris_mt: I'm working on native usb disk mode, if that's what you mean. |
| 01:33:51 | chris_mt | yeah, exactly. |
| 01:33:54 | Soligna | ah that sucks, well I have to go if I have more questions I'll come by here again |
| 01:33:55 | chris_mt | how's it coming? |
| 01:33:57 | |Rain| | Zagor: what do you have so far? I was just starting on one |
| 01:34:09 | chris_mt | I just installed a week old build on my girlfriend's e260 |
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| 01:34:24 | chris_mt | i'm working on the InfoNES thing... |
| 01:34:47 | |Rain| | I've only got as far as working out how the usb stack code that's there works |
| 01:35:06 | Zagor | it's a while away still. I'm 90% done with the chip driver, ~30% on the core stuff and 0% on the actual usb-storage part |
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| 01:35:16 | chris_mt | do you have to use some kind of usb sniffer or similar? |
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| 01:35:29 | |Rain| | Zagor: so your code so far is pretty much all in svn? |
| 01:35:29 | Zagor | no, this part of the chip is fully documented |
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| 01:35:57 | Zagor | |Rain|: no, I'm starting over from scratch. I wanted to try to make it simpler than the current code. |
| 01:36:03 | |Rain| | ahh |
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| 01:36:57 | linuxstb | Zagor: Have you thought about other drivers, such as serial (for remote debugging)? |
| 01:37:00 | chris_mt | cool, I'll be watching... |
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| 01:37:29 | Zagor | linuxstb: yes I have. serial would be very nice to have. I don't see a problem supporting that. |
| 01:37:31 | chris_mt | I haven't attempted any heavy debugging yet. Seems like it could be tricky. |
| 01:37:53 | chris_mt | Is it possible to remote debug on some of the targets? |
| 01:38:15 | Nico_P | jhMikeS: http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox.git?a=commitdiff;h=0b61c5c1a348f65fbbf5b8271abcb27159007607 |
| 01:38:28 | |Rain| | Zagor: is your rework available in a public place, yet? |
| 01:38:34 | Zagor | |Rain|: no |
| 01:38:44 | Zagor | chris_mt: only with hardware modification |
| 01:38:55 | * | Nico_P whispers "git" in Zagor's ear |
| 01:38:57 | chris_mt | hmm |
| 01:39:31 | saratoga | i still want to commit cabbie as the default rockbox theme |
| 01:39:41 | saratoga | has anyone expressed an opinion on this while i've been away |
| 01:40:54 | Zagor | saratoga: I dislike that it introduces a new rockbox logo |
| 01:41:47 | Llorean | So remove the backdrop image and just use a solid black background in the menus? |
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| 01:42:43 | saratoga | i would like to have a rockbox logo somewhere, but i have no strong feelings about which or where |
| 01:43:14 | Llorean | I don't think the current logo can go anywhere without being obtrusive at the moment. |
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| 01:43:21 | Llorean | It shows on boot, and that's probably good enough for the time being. |
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| 01:43:29 | windio00 | hey im going to an installfest and bringing my ipod video with rockbox to talk about . . . what kind of things would be cool to say about rockbox? |
| 01:43:32 | pixelma | and cabbie is not very targets complete as far as I'm aware |
| 01:43:46 | Zagor | I guess the logo could be used if faded |
| 01:43:53 | Llorean | pixelma: But it's simple enough that completing it wouldn't be beyond the scope of one dedicated person, if that person wanted badly to commit it. |
| 01:43:55 | windio00 | i just like the flac and ogg capabilities :) |
| 01:44:07 | Nico_P | windio00: doom ! (jk) |
| 01:44:08 | windio00 | well not just |
| 01:44:16 | windio00 | but |
| 01:44:19 | Llorean | Zagor: For the version of Cabbie I used a while, I took the logo and rotated it 90 degrees, and placed it at the right edge of the screen, so it didn't interfere with most lists. |
| 01:44:19 | linuxstb | saratoga: Where is cabbie? |
| 01:44:20 | saratoga | pixelma: it runs on half of the targets so far |
| 01:44:26 | saratoga | i'll extend it if others support using it |
| 01:44:30 | pixelma | Llorean: if it was that easy... *sigh, thinking about my "easy enough" wps myself* |
| 01:44:47 | saratoga | linuxstb: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/data/240x320x16/Cabbie_V1Beta.png |
| 01:44:54 | windio00 | Nico_P: yeah that would be cool . . . has support got better? last time i tried it really choppy |
| 01:45:05 | Llorean | pixelma: Well, I use a very special definition of "easy enough" meaning "I don't have to do it, so I can get away with saying it" :-P |
| 01:45:12 | pixelma | saratoga: how many are that, thinking of RWPSs too... |
| 01:45:14 | linuxstb | saratoga: Very orange ;) |
| 01:45:28 | Zagor | yeah, I too think it's a bit too high-contrast |
| 01:45:30 | windio00 | frozen bubble might be better |
| 01:45:31 | saratoga | yes, but the orange looks suprisingly good on the device |
| 01:45:34 | saratoga | its quite readible |
| 01:45:37 | Zagor | feels like old green screens :) |
| 01:45:41 | saratoga | even in poor lighting |
| 01:45:43 | windio00 | i could try playing the elephant dream thing |
| 01:46:09 | saratoga | pixelma: 4 done, 4 to go |
| 01:46:13 | linuxstb | saratoga: Shouldn't it have a status bar in the menu? |
| 01:46:21 | rasher | saratoga: I like it. But I guess the logo shouldn't be there (even though I personally like it) |
| 01:46:31 | saratoga | status bar? |
| 01:46:45 | linuxstb | The top line - icons, clock, etc... |
| 01:46:59 | linuxstb | What's been moved to the bottom in the wps |
| 01:47:00 | saratoga | linuxstb: I wasn't aware that was possible |
| 01:47:19 | linuxstb | It is, but not a customised one. |
| 01:47:27 | linuxstb | (yet...) |
| 01:47:35 | saratoga | i wouldn't mind leaving a logo in the menu background, but i agree it should at very least be made much, much fainter |
| 01:47:48 | windio00 | i was suprised how much midi support has gotten better |
| 01:48:03 | windio00 | it sounds perfect now |
| 01:48:14 | saratoga | linuxstb: so its just hard coded to have some of the things on the bottom menu from that picture? |
| 01:48:14 | rasher | saratoga: well, the logo shouldn't be there because it's not the actual Rockbox logo |
| 01:48:25 | saratoga | rasher: yes I agree |
| 01:48:26 | pixelma | saratoga: I count 10 main screen resolutions (+1 grey version of the 160x128) + 2 remote screens |
| 01:48:40 | saratoga | pixelma: sorry, was only thinking color targets |
| 01:48:47 | saratoga | i don't see any reason to involve the grayscale ones yet |
| 01:48:54 | saratoga | since cabbie won't work for them anyway |
| 01:49:00 | saratoga | might as well make it a second commit |
| 01:49:13 | rasher | I don't see how it couldn't work for grayscale |
| 01:49:22 | rasher | It won't be orange, obviously, but it could look much the same |
| 01:49:26 | linuxstb | IMO we don't need to force a colour theme onto the smaller (and greyscale) targets though. The current default is reasonable. |
| 01:49:33 | pixelma | thought the goal was to get at least the same feeling everywhere |
| 01:49:57 | linuxstb | IMO the goal is give a reasonable first impression of Rockbox. |
| 01:49:57 | saratoga | i'd like to commit something for the color targets, and sooner if possible |
| 01:50:05 | saratoga | then we can tweak it as we feel is needed |
| 01:50:06 | pixelma | and iCatcher proofs that it is possible |
| 01:50:10 | windio00 | for some reason depending on the build turning on and off doesnt work |
| 01:50:11 | saratoga | almost anything is better then what we have now |
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| 01:50:35 | windio00 | working now though |
| 01:50:52 | Llorean | pixelma: My suggestion in the contest was to have the same "feel" everywhere. |
| 01:51:04 | Llorean | But I agree that's not strictly necessary for a default, just a "would be nice" |
| 01:51:06 | pixelma | I would want that too |
| 01:51:38 | pixelma | though it's hard |
| 01:51:43 | Llorean | I think though that "feel" can be accomplished by using similar styled icons, fonts from the same family, similar volume indicator, etc, without concerning too much with any exact replication of layout etc. |
| 01:51:55 | saratoga | Llorean: thats a good point |
| 01:52:07 | saratoga | layout may be tricky for some targets (C200) |
| 01:52:13 | rasher | And stuff such as "header in a rounded rectangle" |
| 01:52:17 | Llorean | Or 4:3 vs 3:4 screens |
| 01:52:38 | rasher | it doesn't even have to include the same info |
| 01:52:45 | rasher | in my opinion, of course |
| 01:52:56 | Llorean | I think "Next Song" information is absolutely sacrifice-able on smaller screens |
| 01:52:58 | pixelma | sure |
| 01:53:08 | Llorean | Or rather, "can be tacked on on larger screens to fill up empty space" |
| 01:53:17 | Llorean | Depending on whether you like it or dislike it. :) |
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| 01:53:23 | pixelma | I didn't say that it has to look all the same that's impossible |
| 01:53:41 | rasher | doesn't icatcher pretty much attempt that? |
| 01:53:51 | Llorean | iCatcher does attempt that. |
| 01:53:59 | Llorean | I personally dislike it, but I'm no longer against it being made default. |
| 01:54:17 | rasher | I remember it looking pretty bad on h120. |
| 01:54:25 | Llorean | I was against rushing to make it default, some time ago, but no other new alternatives really came up |
| 01:54:25 | rasher | Mainly how the grays were used |
| 01:54:45 | pixelma | but there are slight differences for smaller screens too |
| 01:55:03 | rasher | anyway, it's not like the default can't be changed if it gets lots of complaints |
| 01:55:26 | saratoga | rasher: thats my thought |
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| 01:55:39 | pixelma | rasher: when did you last try? And by the way, I don't like it much on my M5 too because the font is quite small on that screen (smaller pixels than the H100) |
| 01:56:03 | rasher | pixelma: it was a while ago (3-4 months perhaps) |
| 01:56:15 | windio00 | is there an easy way to get the face plate off a ipod video to wipe dust off? |
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| 01:57:05 | saratoga | ok, so the consensus tonight is that I should remove the logo, and that its probably ok for to use for the color targets? |
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| 01:57:37 | Llorean | saratoga: Maybe take some screenshots in various sims to show how it looks at different screen sizes? |
| 01:57:40 | pixelma | rasher: in the beginning the H100 used the colour icons and let Rockbox do the downscaling with unexpected results, later it got spcified greyscale icons but can't tell for sure which version you looked at |
| 01:57:55 | Bam2550 | Linuxstb: which string holds the ipodnano DataBase thing? |
| 01:58:03 | Bam2550 | in the english.lang file |
| 01:58:12 | rasher | pixelma: that might be it.. I no longer have it, so I guess my opinion is no longer relevant |
| 01:59:07 | linuxstb | Bam2550: Just search for "Database" - I don't know exactly. |
| 01:59:36 | saratoga | Llorean: I can do that, but it may take a few days before I'll have time |
| 01:59:51 | saratoga | do you think a wiki page would be a good idea, or just posting in the forums thread? |
| 01:59:55 | Bam2550 | i wish it was just the english.lang for ipodnano |
| 01:59:56 | Llorean | saratoga: Just a suggestion is all, so that next time this comes up you can show how it looks elsewhere. :) |
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| 02:00:37 | saratoga | its a good idea, theres no real way for most people to see the ported versions without compiling the simulator since I didn't include pictures |
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| 02:00:55 | Zagor | i'm off to bed |
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| 02:00:56 | Bam2550 | linuxstb: can you join #Bam255012 for a second? i have a question, that i cant really ask here because it has alot of lines of text. |
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| 02:16:04 | linuxstb | saratoga: Looking at Cabbie again, I think it would be better to use icons, rather than text, for "Shu", "Rpt" etc - I don't think we want English text in a default theme. |
| 02:16:36 | * | linuxstb notices "Now Playing" and "Next"... |
| 02:17:30 | rasher | I think they can stay, but the abbreviated text should go |
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| 02:17:35 | saratoga | good point |
| 02:17:50 | rasher | The default langueage is English anyway. |
| 02:18:07 | Llorean | Well, WPSes could be made localizable somehow. :-P |
| 02:18:26 | saratoga | couldn't i just draw text on top of a blank bar for that part? |
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| 02:18:31 | Llorean | A suffix to images based on the language name, so repeat_danks.bmp for repeat.bmp. :-P |
| 02:18:42 | saratoga | i suppose thats not really any bettter though |
| 02:19:25 | linuxstb | Some themes manage to get away without any text |
| 02:19:26 | webguest13 | is rockbox based on some *nix? |
| 02:19:31 | linuxstb | no |
| 02:19:36 | rasher | webguest13: It's not based on anything. |
| 02:19:52 | saratoga | if anyone wants to suggest an icon set, please feel free |
| 02:20:06 | webguest13 | rasher: all firmware then? |
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| 02:20:21 | iamben | anyone got a quick link to screenshots of this "cabbie"? im intrigued |
| 02:20:24 | saratoga | i'd say its more of an operating system really |
| 02:20:30 | Llorean | saratoga: There's a colored version of the default iconset |
| 02:20:36 | rasher | webguest13: What do you mean? Rockbox is an operating system written from scratch |
| 02:21:14 | saratoga | iamben: its on this page for the gigabeat: http://www.rockbox-themes.org/index.php?res=240x320x16 |
| 02:21:21 | webguest13 | rasher: oh ok . . . so in the beginning . . . was it like a linux from scratch situation? |
| 02:21:25 | saratoga | i can't seem to link to both frames of that picture otherwise |
| 02:21:27 | Llorean | If you want something slightly bigger, the buuf icons look nice and are good with that theme if I recall |
| 02:22:06 | webguest13 | rasher: reverse engineering? |
| 02:22:27 | saratoga | Llorean: icons aren't specific to the target resolution right? |
| 02:22:35 | linuxstb | webguest13: http://www.rockbox.org/history.html |
| 02:22:37 | rasher | webguest13: I don't understand your questions, I'm afraid |
| 02:22:40 | webguest13 | i would think there are a lot of interesting stories about how it came to be |
| 02:23:14 | webguest13 | linuxstb: thanks |
| 02:23:21 | Llorean | saratoga: They're best matched with font size. |
| 02:23:23 | linuxstb | webguest13: If you're bored there is almost 6 years of mailing list archives... http://www.rockbox.org/mail/ |
| 02:23:58 | Llorean | saratoga: Or just pick one that matches the smallest font size you'll be using (buuf is 12x12, and of course the colored defaults are the same size as the defaults) |
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| 02:24:13 | saratoga | Llorean: do you have a link to the default icons? |
| 02:24:52 | Llorean | saratoga: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IconSets/custom_icons.6x8x16.bmp and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IconSets/custom_viewers_icons.6x8x16.bmp |
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| 03:25:43 | Bam2550 | Hello, i am at this step: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling#Configuring_Build and i dont understand what to type in for the third instruction. i tried typing in ../tools/configure but i received an error. |
| 03:27:19 | scorche | what error? |
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| 03:28:40 | Bam2550 | bash: ../tools/configure: No such file or directory |
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| 03:29:58 | Soap | is your "build" directory a subdirectory of rockbox? |
| 03:30:07 | scorche | then you must not have followed the previous 2 steps |
| 03:30:36 | Bam2550 | C:\cygwin\home\Administrator\build is where it is located |
| 03:30:50 | Soap | and your rockbox source directory is? |
| 03:31:09 | Bam2550 | when i typed mkdir build it went there |
| 03:31:15 | scorche | Bam2550: here is step one: "Create a new folder for the compiling by typing mkdir folder, where folder is the name of the folder (I tend to call it build). This folder should be inside the Rockbox source folder." |
| 03:31:27 | Bam2550 | yes |
| 03:31:30 | psycho_maniac | now type "cd build" then do that command |
| 03:31:32 | scorche | emphasis on the second sentence |
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| 03:31:43 | Bam2550 | thne i typed cd build |
| 03:31:46 | Bam2550 | and then i typed the command |
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| 03:32:02 | scorche | *This folder should be inside the Rockbox source folder.* |
| 03:32:15 | psycho_maniac | rockbox/build/ |
| 03:32:16 | Bam2550 | well it didn't end up there o.0 |
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| 03:32:21 | Bam2550 | when i typed mkdir |
| 03:32:24 | Bam2550 | build |
| 03:32:49 | scorche | because you need to go inside the rockbox source folder before you issue the command |
| 03:33:00 | Bam2550 | oh oh i c |
| 03:33:01 | Bam2550 | lulz |
| 03:33:07 | * | Bam2550 starts over |
| 03:33:15 | scorche | please use real english in here.. |
| 03:33:41 | psycho_maniac | cd rockbox, mkdir build, cd build, ../tools/configure |
| 03:33:53 | Bam2550 | sorry schorche |
| 03:34:02 | Bam2550 | sounds good |
| 03:34:06 | Bam2550 | thank you. |
| 03:34:57 | Bam2550 | and since i have a nano i type 21 because 21 is next to nano. |
| 03:35:06 | psycho_maniac | correct |
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| 03:35:16 | Bam2550 | then i type n |
| 03:35:21 | psycho_maniac | correct |
| 03:35:34 | scorche | Bam2550: just follow the instructions |
| 03:35:46 | Bam2550 | Cool... when you do things in order it works out better =0 |
| 03:36:05 | psycho_maniac | Bam2550: usually yes lol |
| 03:39:15 | Bam2550 | NO!!Q |
| 03:39:52 | Bam2550 | make[1]: arm-elf-gcc: command not found |
| 03:40:02 | Soap | look into your path |
| 03:40:42 | scorche | and make sure you followed the cygwin installation page correctly |
| 03:40:57 | Bam2550 | make[1]: *** [/home/administrator/rockbox/build/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 127 |
| 03:41:07 | Bam2550 | Should i reinstall and start over? |
| 03:41:13 | scorche | [18:39:00] <Soap> look into your path |
| 03:41:13 | scorche | [18:39:39] <scorche> and make sure you followed the cygwin installation page correctly |
| 03:41:33 | Bam2550 | Should i reinstall and start over? |
| 03:41:47 | scorche | ...we just told you what you should do |
| 03:44:33 | Soap | your PATH is what tells your OS where to look for "things". IIRC one of the post-install instructions is to tell your cgywin environment where to find the arm-elf-gcc compiler |
| 03:45:19 | Bam2550 | really? |
| 03:46:42 | Bam2550 | er how do i do that? |
| 03:49:03 | Bam2550 | Soap? |
| 03:49:49 | Soap | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment#Step_4_Add_the_cross_compiler_di |
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| 03:51:13 | Bam2550 | it says go to \ect\profile but i only have an \ect\profile.d im assuming thats the right one? |
| 03:51:58 | Soap | someone else more familiar with cgywin should speak up for me at this point. |
| 03:53:26 | Bam2550 | is there another way? |
| 03:53:42 | Soap | there is the way |
| 03:53:47 | Bam2550 | vmware |
| 03:53:52 | Soap | no |
| 03:54:11 | Bam2550 | it says that is the other way... |
| 03:54:26 | Bam2550 | If you don't like Cygwin and you want to avoid setting it, you can try the VMwareDevelopmentPlatform which contains all needed files, compressed in an emulated Debian Linux environment. |
| 03:54:28 | Soap | the way is to finish what you started and learn how to set the PATH environment in cgywin. |
| 03:55:20 | Bam2550 | No thanks, i think i'm going to go with VMware |
| 03:55:21 | Soap | if you feel the wiki is unclear (which it appears to be) - seek out another source for the answer (now that you know what the question is) or wait for someone who knows more than me (127 other people in this room). |
| 03:55:49 | Soap | Running to vmware - just so you run into a different set of questions does not solve the fundamental problem. |
| 03:56:42 | Bam2550 | fine ill wait a while to see if anyone else comes around. |
| 03:57:34 | Bam2550 | Do you think if i try to reinstall the error might be fixed? or do you think it will happen over and over just because my computer is like this? |
| 03:57:40 | Soap | or Google on how to set the PATH environment in cgywin. |
| 03:57:59 | Soap | the problem is you didn't follow step 4 of the instructions. |
| 03:58:15 | Soap | (re)install is steps 1, 2, and 3 |
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| 03:58:38 | Bam2550 | This is automatically done by the installation script. |
| 03:58:42 | Soap | no it is not |
| 03:58:51 | Bam2550 | then it lied |
| 03:59:07 | Bam2550 | i was quoting what it said |
| 03:59:19 | Soap | the proof is in the pudding. |
| 03:59:34 | Bam2550 | Maybe i forgot to click on arm-elf-gcc? |
| 03:59:47 | Soap | the pudding says "PATH is not set correctly" - assuming you actually did install arm-elf-gcc, yes. |
| 04:00 |
| 04:00:31 | Bam2550 | well im going to reinstall it |
| 04:00:59 | Bam2550 | should i just delete C:\cygwin because i cant find an unistall thing. |
| 04:01:28 | Soap | you could verify if you have arm-elf installed... |
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| 04:01:41 | Bam2550 | how? |
| 04:01:44 | psycho_maniac | Bam2550: did you by any chance open a txt file and type that stuff that it says on the wiki? |
| 04:02:10 | Bam2550 | what is "that stuff" |
| 04:03:07 | psycho_maniac | something of the sort like "PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin..." |
| 04:03:49 | Bam2550 | i wish there was a text file in there... |
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| 04:04:12 | Bam2550 | two csh and three sh files |
| 04:04:55 | Bam2550 | oh wait... i think it wants me to type cd /ect/profile |
| 04:05:02 | Bam2550 | then type that? |
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| 04:05:11 | Bam2550 | (while in cygwin |
| 04:05:16 | saratoga | Bam2550: looking at the logs, I'd say you need to go back to the path step in the manual, and so what it suggests |
| 04:05:25 | saratoga | either edit that file, or do the other thing with the export |
| 04:05:36 | Bam2550 | there are 5 files there... |
| 04:07:20 | Bam2550 | actually there is no ect\profile |
| 04:07:43 | * | Bam2550 dies |
| 04:08:07 | Bam2550 | its not a folder, its a plain file... |
| 04:08:14 | Bam2550 | lol, i thought it was a folder |
| 04:09:21 | Bam2550 | Sorry guys =0 |
| 04:13:20 | psycho_maniac | alright i used to download simulator builds but now that i compile my own builds how do i make a zip file to make it easy to distrubute my own simulator? "../tools/configure" in sim i pick my player and then choose (S)imulator but in sim/archos/ there are no files |
| 04:14:30 | psycho_maniac | or do i pick (A)dvanced and then (S)imulator ? |
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| 04:15:55 | saratoga | psycho_maniac: did you compile it? |
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| 04:16:39 | Bam2550 | Id like to thank psycho_maniac, saratoga, Soap, and scorche for helping me. IT WORKS! |
| 04:16:46 | psycho_maniac | as in run the make command? |
| 04:17:47 | saratoga | yes |
| 04:18:01 | saratoga | configure just gives you a make file, it doesn't compile anything |
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| 04:18:20 | saratoga | you still need to do make and then make zip (or make install I think) just like a regular build |
| 04:18:43 | saratoga | since i guess the sim is pretty much a standard rockbox build, just one that targets SDL instead of a specific hardware device |
| 04:19:11 | psycho_maniac | i did both and there are no files in the archos folder. im looking in "rockbox/sim/archos" correct? |
| 04:19:34 | Llorean | psycho_maniac: How sure are you that there are no files after "make install"? The .rockbox folder ought to be hidden... |
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| 04:22:54 | psycho_maniac | thanks but now when i over right the files it still runs as the old simulator i had. |
| 04:23:32 | Llorean | Did you overwrite the actual binary, and not just the archos folder? |
| 04:24:14 | psycho_maniac | no i did not. what binary? |
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| 04:25:40 | saratoga | the rockboxui or whatever its called |
| 04:25:56 | saratoga | the actual executable that is the sim |
| 04:26:18 | psycho_maniac | where is that located? i cant seem to find it |
| 04:27:15 | saratoga | same directory as the archos folder |
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| 04:28:17 | Bam2550 | i will still have my themes when i extract the new .rockbox folder right? |
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| 04:28:42 | blistov_ | hey, can someone update the e200 brick article here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200Unbrick |
| 04:29:00 | scorche | overwriting only replaces the files that are already there |
| 04:29:12 | scorche | blistov_: what needs updating about it? |
| 04:29:14 | blistov_ | and mention that when you boot into the recovery partion, there will be a file called version.txt, that MUST be removed |
| 04:29:25 | scorche | it doesnt have to be |
| 04:29:27 | Llorean | blistov_: I've never had to remove it when restoring a firmware file. |
| 04:29:30 | blistov_ | ... |
| 04:29:31 | blistov_ | ok. |
| 04:29:36 | blistov_ | i have another issue then. |
| 04:29:42 | blistov_ | i completely bricked my device. |
| 04:30:01 | blistov_ | there's a thread on it here http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=13167.0 |
| 04:30:01 | scorche | how? |
| 04:30:03 | krazykit | i doubt that, unless you were dicking around in preboot mode |
| 04:30:13 | blistov_ | nope. |
| 04:30:25 | psycho_maniac | rockboxui.exe does not exist |
| 04:30:35 | blistov_ | used the installer on my first try, it used sanspatcher 0.4 i believe so i couldn't boot to the OF |
| 04:31:07 | blistov_ | got into recovery mode, copied up the mi4 file, rebooted, and it never booted again. had to get a new device. |
| 04:31:21 | keanu | blistov_, define: never booted again |
| 04:31:25 | psycho_maniac | this is all i did. made a new folder, ran configure and picked simulator, ran make, now what? |
| 04:31:37 | blistov_ | power comes on, blue light shines blue, that is all. |
| 04:31:43 | scorche | blistov_: i dont see you performing the steps on that page |
| 04:31:45 | blistov_ | can't boot to recovery mode. |
| 04:31:47 | psycho_maniac | i also did make install |
| 04:31:52 | keanu | so you overwrote the bootloader... |
| 04:32:01 | keanu | go into manufacturing mode, and you can fix it |
| 04:32:05 | Bam2550 | oh yeah it worked (partys) |
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| 04:32:09 | blistov_ | won't go into manufacture mode either. |
| 04:32:14 | blistov_ | the device doesn't post. |
| 04:32:24 | keanu | sansa's don't "post" |
| 04:32:30 | scorche | it isnt a computer...it doesnt perfrom POSt |
| 04:32:37 | saratoga | also, if you're going to defraud sandisk, at least don't post about it in the forums |
| 04:32:42 | saratoga | better yet, just don't do that |
| 04:32:53 | blistov_ | well anywho. |
| 04:32:53 | scorche | blistov_: just follow those instructions and it will work |
| 04:32:55 | keanu | and in order for it to not go into Manu Mode, you'd need to mess up the I2C rom |
| 04:33:03 | blistov_ | thats all fine and good. |
| 04:33:18 | blistov_ | i documented in the thread exactly what i did, and the results. |
| 04:33:22 | scorche | blistov_: for the sake of curiosity, what happens when you tried to put it into manufactuing mode? |
| 04:33:28 | blistov_ | nothing. |
| 04:33:38 | scorche | define nothing |
| 04:33:47 | blistov_ | blue light on. |
| 04:33:49 | blistov_ | that is all. |
| 04:33:56 | scorche | that *is* manufactuing mode |
| 04:33:57 | blistov_ | screen doesn't turn on, backlight doesn't turn on. |
| 04:34:15 | scorche | ...that is exactly what it is supposed to do |
| 04:34:23 | keanu | "I couldn't find another thread with this problem, so I took it back and replaced the player." - did you try searching... |
| 04:34:35 | blistov_ | so how do you recover from that if a usb bus doesn't see the device? |
| 04:34:44 | keanu | e200tool... |
| 04:34:50 | blistov_ | tried that. |
| 04:34:52 | scorche | ...just as those instructions say |
| 04:35:00 | blistov_ | e200tool doesn't find anything. |
| 04:35:05 | blistov_ | its NOT ON THE USB BUS |
| 04:35:12 | blistov_ | udev does not see the device. |
| 04:35:23 | blistov_ | a strace on the bus does not report that there is anything attached to it. |
| 04:35:33 | keanu | and lsusb? |
| 04:35:33 | blistov_ | and the bus does not report any draw on the voltage. |
| 04:35:50 | scorche | and you help power for 15 seconds and entered manufactuing mode again? |
| 04:35:55 | scorche | held |
| 04:36:00 | blistov_ | yes. |
| 04:36:05 | keanu | turn off the Sansa, turn on hold, hold select/center, and turn on. that should force it into Manu mode |
| 04:36:08 | scorche | and do you still have this device? |
| 04:36:16 | blistov_ | and lsusb shows nothing. nor will it ever if the usb bus doesn't see the device. |
| 04:36:29 | keanu | blistov_, then obviously your computer has a problem |
| 04:36:51 | blistov_ | keanu, you use obviously pretty lightly. |
| 04:37:00 | blistov_ | my computer doesn't have a problem. |
| 04:37:07 | Llorean | blistov_: Prove it. |
| 04:37:13 | Llorean | Though honestly it could also be a faulty Sansa |
| 04:37:17 | Llorean | But what it's not is version.txt |
| 04:37:23 | Llorean | An assumption you decided to jump to just as lightly. |
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| 04:37:44 | Llorean | With no experimentation, and a single experience weighed against the experience of dozens of other people. |
| 04:38:00 | blistov_ | llorean, i experimented for about 5 hours. |
| 04:38:05 | keanu | It could be multiple things. However, messing up recovery mode can't cause this issue |
| 04:38:09 | Llorean | blistov_: With a known good Sansa? |
| 04:38:15 | blistov_ | i did try everything i found in the forums, and everything mentioned so far. |
| 04:38:21 | scorche | as i said, do you still have the device? |
| 04:38:38 | blistov_ | and yes, the player worked until i installed rockbox with the official installer. |
| 04:38:47 | Llorean | blistov_: That's not "known good" |
| 04:38:49 | blistov_ | and no i do not have the device. i replaced it. |
| 04:38:49 | keanu | blistov_, I've "bricked" my sansa at least a dozen times during testing - I've overwrote the i2c rom, the bootloader, and firmware (which seems worse than what you did) and I still recovered it |
| 04:38:53 | Llorean | That's "Know that the main firmware works" |
| 04:39:07 | Llorean | blistov_: Did you ever verify the manufacturing mode worked prior to installing Rockbox? |
| 04:39:17 | blistov_ | yes. |
| 04:39:29 | blistov_ | wait, no. |
| 04:39:32 | saratoga | "I put the player in manufacture mode and renamed rockboxpatch.c to BL_SDboardSupport.rom and patched it to my player with e200tool." |
| 04:39:33 | blistov_ | verified recovery worke.d |
| 04:39:37 | saratoga | amazing forums post |
| 04:39:39 | Llorean | So, it's not "known good" |
| 04:40:02 | keanu | saratoga, renamed a C file to the bootloader? |
| 04:40:17 | blistov_ | llorean, how can you possibly prove something is NOT broken at some level? |
| 04:40:27 | Llorean | blistov_: Recovery mode works absolutely fine for everyone else without removing the .txt file, and whatever caused your problem was either a corrupted .mi4 file you copied over, or some other flaw with your player. |
| 04:40:34 | Bam2550 | back once again. Say i made a new "phrase" in the english.lang file. it was called GameBoy Games and it was on the Main Menu. How could i add ROMs to the GameBoy "phrase" thing. |
| 04:40:35 | blistov_ | its really difficult to determine a negative, let alone prove it. |
| 04:40:58 | keanu | blistov_, simply put, nobody has needed to remove version.txt, so I don't think the wiki article will be updated |
| 04:41:15 | saratoga | blistov_: its actually quite easy, just get the device to work, and then you know its not broken |
| 04:41:36 | Llorean | saratoga: Or rather, the specific function of the device in question |
| 04:41:44 | Llorean | You don't know everything works, but you do have a "it was working before" at least |
| 04:41:45 | safetydan_ | Bam2550, you'll need to add an entry to the menu code if you're trying to do what I think you're trying to do. |
| 04:41:54 | blistov_ | i know it was working before. |
| 04:42:02 | keanu | blistov_, define: what |
| 04:42:04 | keanu | *it |
| 04:42:16 | keanu | blistov_, what was working before? |
| 04:42:19 | Llorean | blistov_: We've covered that you don't know that manufacturing mode worked, which depends on different code in a different place than the main firmware. |
| 04:42:20 | blistov_ | and saratoga, something working according to your observation is not definitive proof that NOTHING is broken. |
| 04:42:36 | Llorean | My point is simply that you jumped to a conclusion about version.txt |
| 04:42:48 | Llorean | Without testing it on the other, "working" player |
| 04:42:50 | saratoga | blistov_: sure it is, provided you've defined "working" properly |
| 04:43:10 | blistov_ | anywho, funny how you have a definitive answer "blistov is wrong, and there is no problem" and not one of you has even asked what OS i'm running. |
| 04:43:13 | scorche | blistov_: something not working according to your observation is not definitive proof that something has to be is broken. |
| 04:43:24 | saratoga | i mean, we're talking about an arbitrary test right? just define the test in such a way that you get arbitrarily high certainy |
| 04:43:25 | Bam2550 | safetydan_, how hard do you think it will be? |
| 04:43:38 | saratoga | scientific method and all that stuff |
| 04:43:42 | saratoga | it works quite well |
| 04:43:44 | scorche | blistov_: because it has worked for dozens of other people many many times.... |
| 04:43:45 | safetydan_ | Bam2550, what do you know of programming in C? |
| 04:44:00 | Bam2550 | little amount |
| 04:44:01 | scorche | blistov_: do you still ahve the device, so i can prove this to you? |
| 04:44:05 | Llorean | blistov_: You're wrong about version.txt |
| 04:44:11 | blistov_ | i didn't say i was right. |
| 04:44:20 | Llorean | blistov_: You complained about us telling you you're wrong |
| 04:44:27 | Llorean | If you are wrong, it doesn't matter that we've told you so. |
| 04:44:46 | keanu | blistov_, you said udev, lsusb, etc - that means it's unix based |
| 04:44:56 | blistov_ | unix based is pretty broad. |
| 04:45:02 | saratoga | who cares |
| 04:45:05 | keanu | blistov_, VERSION Rhapsody IRC Version 0.28b Beta - Linux |
| 04:45:06 | Bam2550 | safetydan_, im guessing it will be hard |
| 04:45:12 | keanu | I just proved you use Linux |
| 04:45:16 | blistov_ | no you didn't. |
| 04:45:23 | blistov_ | you proved that irc reports such. |
| 04:45:24 | keanu | ctcp says otherwise... |
| 04:45:26 | blistov_ | jesus. |
| 04:45:32 | Llorean | blistov_: Yes, and you can lie to us as well |
| 04:45:33 | saratoga | blistov_: can you please prove you exist before continueing |
| 04:45:49 | Llorean | There's no point in having this argument. |
| 04:45:52 | blistov_ | nope. |
| 04:45:55 | Llorean | The wiki page doesn't need changed, at least on that issue |
| 04:45:55 | keanu | Llorean, agreed |
| 04:45:57 | saratoga | prove we're having this argument |
| 04:46:03 | Llorean | If you ever actually do some testing and figure out what you really did wrong, let us know. |
| 04:46:07 | blistov_ | like i said, i was just reporting my experience with the official installer. |
| 04:46:19 | Llorean | For example, did you check an MD5 checksum of the MI4 you copied in recovery mode before disconnecting? |
| 04:46:44 | safetydan_ | Bam2550, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6988 does something similar to what I think you're trying to achieve. Take a look at that patch to see what's needed |
| 04:47:37 | blistov_ | you don't want to know if i did an md5 sum. you're trying to steer the solution to "blistov did something wrong" instead of "what went wrong". |
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| 04:47:58 | Llorean | blistov_: Well, in recovery mode, no Rockbox code is working. |
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| 04:48:03 | Bam2550 | Wow thats great thanks! i wanted a video one too btw =). Also i can just change the title to GameBoy Games too, right? |
| 04:48:09 | Llorean | So either something was wrong with the original firmware or hardware of your sansa, or you did something wrong |
| 04:48:18 | Llorean | Since we can't fix anything with the original firmware, we only care what you did. |
| 04:48:54 | Llorean | If you care about "what went wrong" in Recovery Mode, and want to assume that you are infallible, go talk to Sansa, as it's their code that must've buggered things up. |
| 04:49:13 | blistov_ | the official installer does not install a usable instance of rockbox. this has been tested on two devices. the first one bricked when i copied the mi4 file (as described in the thread) and would not go into recovery mode, and e200tool couldn't see the device in manufacture mode. period. |
| 04:49:18 | keanu | Llorean, talked to Sandisk? ;) |
| 04:49:26 | Llorean | keanu: Sandisk, yeah |
| 04:49:32 | blistov_ | i won't claim to be infallible, but you're insisting that i'm wrong, period. |
| 04:49:36 | blistov_ | that solves nothing. |
| 04:49:40 | safetydan_ | Bam2550, you could add another entry for games yes |
| 04:49:41 | Llorean | blistov_: You are wrong about version.txt |
| 04:49:42 | keanu | blistov_, are you sure USB support is working on your computer |
| 04:50:00 | blistov_ | even if i was wrong, then i'm still not sure how two devices failed to run rockbox after using the official installer. |
| 04:50:02 | blistov_ | there IS a bug. |
| 04:50:03 | Llorean | blistov_: But sansapatcher does fail to boot the original firmware, this isn't denied anywhere. |
| 04:50:04 | Bam2550 | safetydan_, how do i add patches =0 im searching ATM for an article but no real luck. |
| 04:50:16 | Llorean | blistov_: But everyone else can boot Rockbox after using sansapatcher, just not the original firmware. |
| 04:50:21 | keanu | blistov_, Rockbox doesn't modify the bootloader, so I can't see why Recov mode wouldn't work |
| 04:50:22 | blistov_ | i'm not saying anyone denies that. |
| 04:50:29 | Llorean | So, are you claiming that hundreds of users are not experiencing this bug, but only you are? |
| 04:50:33 | blistov_ | does the official installer use the correct version of sanspatcher? |
| 04:50:37 | Llorean | Or could it be possible that there *is* something wrong with your USB? |
| 04:50:45 | blistov_ | there is nothing wrong with my usb. |
| 04:50:49 | blistov_ | nor my usb hub. |
| 04:50:50 | keanu | blistov_, how do you know? |
| 04:50:54 | Llorean | blistov_: 1) Which "official installer" do you refer to? |
| 04:51:00 | blistov_ | nor the i2c reporting |
| 04:51:15 | keanu | blistov_, how do you know USB is working on your computer? |
| 04:51:51 | Llorean | blistov_: Are you talking about "Rockbox Utility"? |
| 04:51:55 | blistov_ | every other device i connect to it works correctly. while this doesn't prove anything, i also had the same results on another computer. |
| 04:52:04 | safetydan_ | Bam2550, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 04:52:13 | keanu | blistov_, have you tested a different usb cable? |
| 04:52:19 | Bam2550 | Thanks Dan |
| 04:52:19 | blistov_ | yes. |
| 04:52:28 | blistov_ | two devices, each came with a new cable. |
| 04:52:34 | keanu | i find it *very* hard to believe you can't get two Sansas working |
| 04:52:40 | blistov_ | .... |
| 04:52:50 | blistov_ | keanu, seriously, i've said this thrice now. |
| 04:53:00 | Llorean | blistov_: You've also not answered a very specific question about what program you were using. |
| 04:53:02 | blistov_ | i got the second device working, by manually installing. |
| 04:53:04 | keanu | blistov_, notice "find" and "believe" |
| 04:53:25 | keanu | blistov_, you said Recov mode didn't work on the second one... |
| 04:53:53 | keanu | blistov_, nvm, read it wrong |
| 04:53:57 | blistov_ | recovery didn't even come up after installation, and an attempt at recovery on the FIRST device. |
| 04:54:30 | blistov_ | the only thing i did differently during the recovery on the second device, is that i deleted the version.txt file before unmounting. |
| 04:54:47 | keanu | blistov_, and the second device...works? |
| 04:54:50 | blistov_ | yes. |
| 04:54:52 | blistov_ | works fine. |
| 04:54:55 | scorche | blistov_: as it seems you arent willing to see things any other way, why dont you send the device to me, so i can prove this to you? |
| 04:55:14 | keanu | blistov_, and you are sure that the MD5sums of the file put on the Sansas were the same? |
| 04:55:45 | blistov_ | scorche, really? i've already said .... 4 times now that the origional (very bricked) device, was returned |
| 04:55:53 | Llorean | scorche, keanu: I suspect he has me on ignore. Ask him if he was using "Rockbox Utility", and when it was compiled. |
| 04:55:57 | blistov_ | keanu, positive the md5 sums came up the same. |
| 04:56:13 | keanu | blistov_, what was the md5sum? |
| 04:56:22 | scorche | then why are we even arguing about this, since you cannot do tests on the device to see if you did things right or wrong? |
| 04:56:29 | keanu | blistov_, did you use "Rockbox Utility" and if so, when was it compiled? |
| 04:56:41 | blistov_ | 2c11dc0b10f1393115c54b17b6278cd2 |
| 04:56:49 | keanu | blistov_, what firmware version? |
| 04:56:59 | blistov_ | 1.00.12 |
| 04:57:09 | blistov_ | i also tried that version on my new device, and it worked fine. |
| 04:57:17 | keanu | hold on...I need to see if I can even find 1.00.12 |
| 04:57:29 | blistov_ | http://daniel.haxx.se/sansa/e200/PP5022.mi4 |
| 04:57:31 | Llorean | keanu: Seriously, stop talking with him, he seems to have no interest in actually tracking down the problem with whatever "official installer" he claims to have used. |
| 04:57:42 | blistov_ | chill llorean. |
| 04:57:59 | blistov_ | http://download.rockbox.org/rbutil/linux/rbutilqt-v1.0.1.tar.bz2 |
| 04:58:03 | Llorean | blistov_: No, I won't. You claim there's a problem with our software, and the one person who's asking you questions about what of our software you used is the one person you're ignoring. |
| 04:58:07 | scorche | enough of this...he doesnt have the device anymore, and so cant prove anything |
| 04:58:14 | keanu | scorche, agreed |
| 04:58:14 | scorche | srop the subject now |
| 04:58:17 | scorche | drop |
| 04:58:26 | scorche | if you want to continue, do it in PM |
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| 04:58:46 | Llorean | blistov_: That was compiled early september, and predates the fix for the hanging original-os bootoader |
| 04:58:56 | Llorean | blistov_: It should boot Rockbox just fine, but may have problems booting the original firmware. |
| 04:59:00 | blistov_ | thats whats posed on the site. |
| 04:59:17 | blistov_ | what good is rockbox without the ability to boot to disk mode? |
| 04:59:30 | scorche | it is a bug |
| 04:59:32 | blistov_ | i'm not saying the rockbox utility bricked my device. |
| 04:59:53 | blistov_ | i'm saying it should be mentioned in the installation instructions that you can't actually use the rockbox util if you want a working device. |
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| 05:00:08 | scorche | it works on some devices...on others, it doesnt |
| 05:00:10 | Llorean | blistov_: The instructions actually clearly state that we make no guarantee that any of our software will do anything at all |
| 05:00:33 | Llorean | blistov_: We cannot predict whether you'll have a problematic device, or whether the currently available build or installer is a buggy version: You are not using released software. |
| 05:00:44 | Llorean | If you fear things not working well, wait until an official release version of Rockbox is made, and use that. |
| 05:00:50 | blistov_ | i'm not giving anyone shit for something not working, i'm saying it should be mentioned that the installer doesn't work on this device. the instructions specifically written for the e200 say you can use the rbutil. |
| 05:01:00 | Llorean | blistov_: Because many people, including me, can. |
| 05:01:05 | Bam2550 | -Can i manually add what is in the patches instead of using a patch? (i know its harder, im just wondering if i can) |
| 05:01:23 | Bam2550 | instead of using a patch tool* |
| 05:01:23 | Llorean | blistov_: And when the next version is uploaded, it'll work fine again, or may have new strange bugs. The manual says "Draft" for a reason. |
| 05:01:25 | scorche | Bam2550: of course..that is all a patching program does |
| 05:02:33 | Llorean | blistov_: If you want to be helpful, compile an SVN version of RBUtil, verify whether it works installing the bootloader on your player since you have one of the problematic ones, and if it does let us know so we can upload a working version. |
| 05:02:35 | keanu | blistov_, you can't boot the OF due to a bug we're working on fixing...it's not our fault you decided to try Rockbox while we're fixing the bug. |
| 05:02:54 | blistov_ | thats piss poor documentation skillz. i dig rockbox, but someone needs to either fix the documentation (ie, link to utilities that DO work, or at least mention that a certain utility is live code...) |
| 05:02:55 | keanu | blistov_, use v0.2 of sansapatcher and it will work |
| 05:03:11 | blistov_ | keanu, again, i know sansapatcher 0.2 works. |
| 05:03:15 | Llorean | blistov_: The manual says DRAFT |
| 05:03:15 | blistov_ | i've got everything working. |
| 05:03:24 | Llorean | blistov_: EVERYTHING is LIVE CODE. |
| 05:03:48 | keanu | blistov_, if you want rbutil to work, you're welcome to try to fix it yourself. The source code for it's in SVN. |
| 05:04:24 | Llorean | blistov_: Now quit complaining about the fact that you missed this fact, one we don't exactly hide, and try to help us fix things by testing the SVN version instead of the somewhat old build and let us know if it solves your problem. |
| 05:04:36 | blistov_ | ... and assuming you're a dev, i won't tell you your method is WRONG, but I will point out that its generally bad practice to point your end user documentation to live code. |
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| 05:04:47 | Llorean | blistov_: It's NOT END USER DOCUMENTATION |
| 05:04:53 | Llorean | blistov_: Do you not understand the word "Draft"? |
| 05:05:01 | Llorean | There are NO END USERS for the Sansa build yet. |
| 05:05:28 | blistov_ | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-sansae200/rockbox-build.html |
| 05:05:33 | blistov_ | there is NOTHING that says draft |
| 05:05:49 | blistov_ | there is nothing that says this is live code. |
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| 05:06:25 | Llorean | blistov_: One, it says "Current builds" are not release versions. |
| 05:06:28 | scorche | Llorean: please see -community |
| 05:06:31 | saratoga | you don't think an SVn build is live code? |
| 05:06:37 | Llorean | blistov_: Two, then that's a bug in the HTML version of the manual, because the PDF version clearly says draft on every page. |
| 05:07:08 | Llorean | blistov_: Guess what: the manual is built from SVN daily, again from live code. |
| 05:07:09 | saratoga | i mean its not like you download the 2.5 release of rockbox |
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| 05:07:47 | blistov_ | omg. get someone who isn't a developer to install on their e200. see if they tell you they got the impression that it wasn't supposed to work. i'm done. learn versioning practice, or learn documentation |
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| 05:08:18 | saratoga | problem solved |
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| 05:19:39 | psycho_maniac | what do you do when you join the rockbox testing list? |
| 05:20:56 | Soap | the testing list? |
| 05:21:16 | Soap | I assume you get a set of steak knives - the same thing you get when you join the checking list. |
| 05:21:42 | krazykit | wha... i didn't get steak knives! |
| 05:21:49 | psycho_maniac | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxTesting |
| 05:22:49 | psycho_maniac | i wouldnt mind joining that but i want to know what im in for. |
| 05:22:56 | Llorean | Very little. |
| 05:23:08 | Llorean | It comes with no obligation. |
| 05:24:03 | Soap | ohh, I thought you were referring to a mailing list - see what happens when I assume? You're just pledging your undying love to Bagder, and saying you will make yourself available for testing. |
| 05:24:36 | Bam2550 | I'm looking at a .patch file in Dev-C++ and im wondering, does it matter where i add things? Also do i add the parts with the −−- and +++ and @@ in the beginning? |
| 05:24:55 | krazykit | Bam2550, it matters very much |
| 05:25:05 | Bam2550 | How do i know where to put it? |
| 05:25:05 | krazykit | −−- means the line is removed, +++ means it's added |
| 05:25:29 | krazykit | @@ is the line it starts at or near |
| 05:25:53 | Bam2550 | @@ -86,6 +86,7 @@ means? |
| 05:26:00 | krazykit | line 86 |
| 05:26:39 | Bam2550 | so i add it after line 86? |
| 05:27:13 | Bam2550 | nvm found the answer |
| 05:27:13 | krazykit | well, this really isn't rockbox related anymore, so it's offtopic. i'd google around for "manually applying patches" |
| 05:27:47 | Bam2550 | can i just ask one question? Do i need to add the −−- and +++ and @@ parts? |
| 05:28:08 | scorche | subtract the −−−−, add the +++ |
| 05:28:32 | Bam2550 | so dont put in the −−- and keep the +++? |
| 05:28:32 | krazykit | but don't have +++,−−-, or @@ in the code itself when you do |
| 05:28:50 | Bam2550 | oh i see now |
| 05:29:07 | krazykit | if your line is "+++ if whatever;" you'd put in the code, "if whatever;" |
| 05:29:48 | Bam2550 | if the line is −−- if whater" |
| 05:29:54 | Bam2550 | then dont even add it? |
| 05:31:27 | krazykit | no, that's the line you're removing |
| 05:32:05 | Bam2550 | Way too confusing, im just going to try to find out how to use cygwin to do it. |
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| 05:33:17 | sdoyon | Anyone has a few minutes to help test a patch? In particular anyone with an iPod with a clickwheel, or an Archos? |
| 05:34:04 | Bam2550 | i would if i knew how to work a patch |
| 05:34:46 | psycho_maniac | sdoyon: what does the patch do? |
| 05:35:42 | sdoyon | It's FS #7774: use a callback to manage voice in lists. Hooked up to menus and option_screen... Not rocket science, but I'd like more testing before committing something like that. |
| 05:36:07 | sdoyon | In particular the hover mechanism from the file browser is revamped. |
| 05:36:25 | Bam2550 | Does anyone know how to add a patch with cygwin? |
| 05:36:51 | krazykit | Bam2550, patch -p0 < patch.diff, if the patch was made right |
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| 05:37:09 | krazykit | and assuming you're in the root of your source directory. |
| 05:37:26 | Llorean | sdoyon: In your recent keyboard patch, are you using the beep from the "Playback" menu? |
| 05:37:46 | Bam2550 | krazykit, what is the root of my souce directory o.0 |
| 05:37:49 | sdoyon | Yes. |
| 05:38:11 | Llorean | Is that beep used anywhere else but in playback? |
| 05:38:13 | sdoyon | Oh did I forget an #ifdef there... |
| 05:38:43 | krazykit | Bam2550, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches |
| 05:38:52 | Bam2550 | i read it over twice |
| 05:38:56 | Bam2550 | i dont understand it at all |
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| 05:39:18 | krazykit | Bam2550, the dir that has stuff like apps, bootloader, tools, utils and other directories |
| 05:39:32 | Bam2550 | thats the roof of my source directory? |
| 05:39:41 | Bam2550 | because thats where the video_menu.patch file is |
| 05:39:47 | Bam2550 | root* |
| 05:40:16 | krazykit | yeah, then if you cd there, you can just run patch -p0 < video_menu.patch |
| 05:41:18 | Bam2550 | 1 out of 4 hunks FAILED |
| 05:41:40 | sdoyon | Llorean: no. |
| 05:42:06 | Llorean | sdoyon: Considering it's in the playback menu, and it's supposed to be the playback beep, why is the beep in the keyboard tied to a playback setting? |
| 05:42:19 | krazykit | Bam2550, i'm not going to walk you through this one. i've got work to get to, sorry. good luck manually patching that bit, though! |
| 05:42:30 | Bam2550 | okay |
| 05:42:34 | Bam2550 | i dont even know what a hunk is |
| 05:42:38 | Bam2550 | so this will be interesting |
| 05:42:40 | Llorean | sdoyon: It seems to me either the setting needs to be moved, or the beep should be tied to something else. |
| 05:42:55 | psycho_maniac | what patch are you using Bam2550? |
| 05:43:03 | Bam2550 | Video_patch |
| 05:43:06 | krazykit | Bam2550, my final hint is, see the file it failed on? there's that file with a .rej that tells you what failed |
| 05:43:11 | psycho_maniac | fs#? |
| 05:43:51 | psycho_maniac | Bam2550: do you have the patch number? |
| 05:43:57 | Bam2550 | erm hold on |
| 05:44:43 | psycho_maniac | im not saying this is it but the last time a patch i used had a "hunk failed" the patch needed up dating |
| 05:45:01 | Bam2550 | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6988 |
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| 05:45:24 | sdoyon | Llorean: You're right I guess. I suppose the two uses don't have much in common, so I wouldn't move the setting. I could either make the beep depend on talk_menus_enabled, or say something instead of beeping. |
| 05:46:39 | psycho_maniac | that patch seems pretty old. april of 07. |
| 05:47:23 | Bam2550 | =\ |
| 05:47:27 | Llorean | sdoyon: I personally think depending on "talk_menus_enabled" is fine, but I'm not wholly sure how others would feel. |
| 05:48:45 | psycho_maniac | Bam2550: that patch is also closed |
| 05:48:53 | Bam2550 | lol |
| 05:49:30 | sdoyon | Llorean: well... unless you think it would be nice even for sighted users, I think I'll do just that. |
| 05:49:30 | psycho_maniac | rejected more like it. |
| 05:52:14 | Llorean | sdoyon: I don't think it's very useful for sighted users, honestly. |
| 05:52:19 | Bam2550 | now ill be off to look for another Video menu thing |
| 05:52:24 | Llorean | sdoyon: At least, not useful without voice enabled. |
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| 05:53:59 | psycho_maniac | why cant you just go to the root of the drive and go into your "Video" folder? its the same thing |
| 05:57:06 | psycho_maniac | oh he left. maybe thats why it was rejected in the first place. |
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| 06:02:16 | sdoyon | If I'm adding a function to talk.c, which isn't compiled into the sim, is there a preference between defining a dummy macro in talk.h vs adding a function in uisimulator/common/stubs.c? |
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| 06:09:29 | Reno | Hi um... i was here a few hours ago (the guy about the ipod data sheets) i got a question. I just installed the current build for rockbox on my ipod and it works fine except for when i try to save a game (gamboy rom) it says: Data abort at 01F852AC: and it doesn't save? |
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| 06:12:56 | Reno | please help? :) |
| 06:13:01 | Reno | :) |
| 06:13:51 | spky | ? |
| 06:15:02 | Reno | i can't save the game. |
| 06:15:11 | Reno | the gameboy rome |
| 06:17:23 | Reno | is someone here? |
| 06:17:28 | psycho_maniac | be patient and hopefully somebody will see your problem and be ableto help you. not all 133 users are actually here. there loged on but are busy |
| 06:17:37 | Reno | oh |
| 06:17:39 | Reno | kk |
| 06:17:41 | Reno | :) |
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| 06:34:31 | Reno | ok guess everyones bussy...i'll try tomarrow. :) |
| 06:34:51 | Reno | Bye! :) |
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| 07:26:02 | amiconn | gah |
| 07:29:14 | * | amiconn really dislikes it when a committer breaks a target and doesn't even notice it at all |
| 07:29:30 | Isolinear | Which commit? |
| 07:30:09 | amiconn | sdoyon's keyboard beep |
| 07:30:38 | Isolinear | Ahh.. Well you gotta cut him some slack I guess, he's new. |
| 07:31:05 | Isolinear | Which target? |
| 07:31:21 | scorche | we seem to be making people devs quite fast lately.. |
| 07:31:46 | Isolinear | That can be good and bad... |
| 07:32:47 | amiconn | All the Ondios |
| 07:33:11 | amiconn | I didn't complain that he caused some red, I did complain that he didn't check the build table and fix it |
| 07:33:20 | amiconn | There were 2 more commits afterwards |
| 07:33:43 | amiconn | Also, even though the other archoses are not red, the beep most probably doesn't work |
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| 07:40:32 | spky | i hate it that you cant set the y position of the progress bar ;[ |
| 07:40:48 | spky | *hate the fact that |
| 07:42:41 | Nico_P | spky: maybe I didn't get what you mean but I think it's possible |
| 07:42:54 | spky | you can set the position from the left |
| 07:42:57 | spky | but not from the top |
| 07:43:06 | spky | it goes by line height as far as i can tell |
| 07:43:42 | spky | %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos| |
| 07:43:46 | spky | no "toppos" |
| 07:43:48 | Nico_P | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#Playlist_Song_Info |
| 07:43:59 | Nico_P | %pb|height|leftpos|rightpos|toppos| |
| 07:44:05 | spky | hmm |
| 07:44:12 | spky | that's not on the help file =\ |
| 07:44:22 | spky | http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildap2.html#x14-237000B.1 |
| 07:44:24 | spky | thank you |
| 07:44:26 | spky | i will try that |
| 07:46:07 | spky | nice =] |
| 07:46:18 | spky | wish it was on the docs i was reading ;[ |
| 07:48:36 | amiconn | sdoyon also forgot the other vkeyboard implementation... |
| 07:49:19 | spky | i really like this rockbox program =] |
| 07:49:35 | spky | the fact that you can skin it is pretty sweet |
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| 07:50:11 | spky | are there any templates for making your own themes? |
| 07:50:48 | spky | like a psd with guide's n such |
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| 07:52:30 | Nico_P | spky: not really. there are some in the forums but only for specific themes |
| 07:55:26 | spky | the DocPod Aqua is a nice theme but the font is way too small |
| 07:55:38 | spky | same with alot of the themes |
| 07:56:21 | * | Nico_P has to go to class |
| 07:56:45 | psycho_maniac | spky: there is a docpod aqua modified theme that has bigger font. did you see that one? |
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| 08:01:36 | Isolinear | I've been working on one to suit my own needs... |
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| 08:02:00 | spky | i did not |
| 08:02:01 | Isolinear | Using jBlackGlass as a template. It's not done yet but I'm thinking I might upload it when it's finished. |
| 08:02:07 | spky | i' just edit it |
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| 08:03:32 | psycho_maniac | spky: did you use the wiki to look at themes or rockbox-themes.org? |
| 08:03:45 | spky | i used the tool |
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| 08:04:31 | psycho_maniac | oh. what player do you have? |
| 08:04:45 | spky | ipod gen 5 |
| 08:04:49 | spky | 30gig video |
| 08:04:59 | ddalton | Can I get tracker access so I cqan close tasks? |
| 08:05:54 | Isolinear | http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/frequencymodulation/dump071009-225958.jpg |
| 08:07:00 | psycho_maniac | Isolinear: that looks nice. do you intend to not use patches? |
| 08:07:06 | spky | the cfg would be better if you could have the [option] to set the font for each text line |
| 08:07:34 | psycho_maniac | spky: you mean miltiple fonts in the wps? |
| 08:07:40 | spky | yeah |
| 08:07:47 | Isolinear | psycho_maniac: Correct. Although scrolling margins would be nice.. :) |
| 08:09:33 | spky | visual eq would be cool on wps too |
| 08:09:44 | psycho_maniac | good luck with that one |
| 08:09:48 | spky | lol |
| 08:10:33 | Isolinear | The bg I used is from a user on deviantArt, so I'd have to make sure there are no legal issues with it and such. |
| 08:11:12 | psycho_maniac | you can have multiple fonts on the wps but you have to compile your own build with the patch. |
| 08:11:39 | spky | how do i do that? |
| 08:11:44 | spky | i'm a nub mind yo u |
| 08:11:54 | Isolinear | I like the idea of multifont too, but that patch isn't really mature yet. |
| 08:12:10 | psycho_maniac | Isolinear: looks nice although might not be on the player itself but the font seems small. but probably just right on the player itself |
| 08:12:46 | spky | i like the size/weight of nimbus-19 |
| 08:13:45 | Isolinear | psycho_maniac: I had to compromise... I'd prefer a bigger font for the WPS, but then the menu font would be huge as well... I have a playlist of almost 2000 items and I need to see more than 10 lines on the screen when I'm scrolling... lol |
| 08:13:55 | Isolinear | I hate the Nimbus fonts. |
| 08:14:09 | spky | the font isnt that great, like i said, size/weight |
| 08:14:10 | Isolinear | My WPS uses Verdana, which IMO is easier to read. |
| 08:14:27 | spky | tahoma is nice too |
| 08:14:45 | Isolinear | I agree, but it didn't translate well to Rockbox. |
| 08:14:53 | spky | word |
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| 08:14:57 | Isolinear | It was jagged and uneven. |
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| 08:15:14 | ddalton | Bagder: around? |
| 08:15:42 | GodEater_ | don't think he is yet ddalton |
| 08:15:49 | GodEater_ | he's marked as away |
| 08:17:35 | Isolinear | GodEater: Do you agree that 7738 is good enough for commit? |
| 08:17:45 | GodEater_ | not my place to say |
| 08:17:58 | GodEater_ | I believe I like it's functionality, and nothing horrific about the code leaps out at me |
| 08:18:02 | ddalton | how can you tell? |
| 08:18:02 | GodEater_ | but jhMikes is the expert there |
| 08:18:16 | GodEater_ | ddalton: /whois Bagder |
| 08:18:40 | GodEater_ | [Bagder] is away (me rocks boxes elsewhere) |
| 08:18:56 | psycho_maniac | if 7738 gets committed then i will have no reason to compile my own builds :( |
| 08:19:15 | GodEater_ | psycho_maniac: about time you started coding then :) |
| 08:19:38 | Isolinear | psycho_maniac: My thoughts exactly... lol |
| 08:24:48 | spky | has anyone used this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5900?histring=font |
| 08:24:49 | spky | ? |
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| 08:26:59 | Isolinear | I tried it. I don't like how color and position must be specified. I'd prefer them to be options independant of one another. |
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| 08:37:11 | ddalton | How can I tell how far through a track is? |
| 08:38:00 | GodEater_ | ddalton: the WPS contains features for showing this information, but I've no idea how easy it would be to voice any of them |
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| 08:39:53 | ddalton | LinusN: would I be able to get tracker access so I can close tasks? |
| 08:40:26 | RYd3R | Hi guys.. anyone using rockbox on their Sansa e280? |
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| 08:40:44 | amiconn | hi LinusN |
| 08:40:50 | LinusN | amiconn: yo |
| 08:41:03 | amiconn | Do you have an X5V? |
| 08:41:05 | LinusN | ddalton: let me check with the others |
| 08:41:10 | LinusN | amiconn: no i don't |
| 08:41:16 | * | GodEater_ loves the way ddalton avoids the pleasantries and just leaps straight in with the questions |
| 08:41:17 | amiconn | So how could you maintain it? |
| 08:41:41 | LinusN | amiconn: well, does another developer have one? |
| 08:41:51 | amiconn | Not that I know of |
| 08:42:00 | LinusN | that's what i figured |
| 08:42:12 | amiconn | There are already 2 questions which could only be answered with an *actual* X5V though |
| 08:42:13 | GodEater_ | so you've bravely volunteered ;) |
| 08:42:22 | LinusN | amiconn: like? |
| 08:42:30 | GodEater_ | what colour is it? |
| 08:42:32 | LinusN | GodEater_: exactly |
| 08:42:38 | amiconn | (1) Does radio detection work? (2) Is the USB PID the same as for the X5? |
| 08:43:19 | LinusN | i see |
| 08:43:31 | ddalton | LinusN: who do you need to check with? |
| 08:43:35 | LinusN | better ask for an x5v owner on the mailing list |
| 08:43:49 | LinusN | ddalton: the other admins |
| 08:43:55 | ddalton | also does anyone know how I can get the elapsed time in my code? |
| 08:44:01 | ddalton | ok |
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| 08:44:43 | amiconn | LinusN: Also, as Bagder split targets using the same rockbox build that way, do you think the iPod 1st and 2nd gen should be split as well? |
| 08:45:07 | LinusN | what are the differences? |
| 08:45:14 | GodEater_ | ddalton: I would guess you should look at the WPS code that pulls that information |
| 08:45:33 | ddalton | GodEater_: I am |
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| 08:45:50 | RYd3R | Ok.. maybe nobody is running rockbox with Sansa e280 here atm.. but I'll ask the question anyhow.. maybe someone can help.. Everything seems to run ok.. but I try to play mpeg movie or view pictures and it is file not supported.. anyone have an idea? |
| 08:46:14 | RYd3R | actually not just mpeg movie.. any movies.. |
| 08:46:26 | GodEater_ | RYd3R: Rockbox only plays mpeg2 movies |
| 08:46:38 | GodEater_ | RYd3R: and what format are your pictures ? |
| 08:46:43 | RYd3R | I got the one off the rockbox site so that should work right? |
| 08:46:45 | amiconn | LinusN: Mechanical wheel vs. touch wheel, no headphone detection vs. headphone detection, and some other subtle hardware differences |
| 08:46:59 | RYd3R | I tried jpeg.. and the converted ones that are bmp |
| 08:47:01 | GodEater_ | RYd3R: you mean the elephant's dream one ? |
| 08:47:05 | RYd3R | Yup.. |
| 08:47:11 | RYd3R | Elephant dream |
| 08:47:13 | LinusN | amiconn: i think you know better than me if they should be split |
| 08:47:15 | amiconn | I think the differences regarding the main rockbox build are bigger than between e200 and e200R, and those were also split |
| 08:47:22 | * | GodEater_ wonders if maybe the Sansa is still awaiting LCD driver code to be written to support mpegplayer |
| 08:48:00 | RYd3R | But I could not play a .mov file that I had with the e280 firmware.. now it will not play with thr rockbox firmware.. |
| 08:48:01 | amiconn | GodEater: mpegplayer works for quite a while on e200, and since last weekend also on the c200 |
| 08:48:08 | RYd3R | COULD..play I meant... |
| 08:48:24 | RYd3R | mov file worked then didn't work after the rockbox install |
| 08:48:48 | GodEater_ | RYd3R: you mean you can't play the .mov back in the original firmware ? |
| 08:49:24 | RYd3R | Nope.. I'm gonna try to encode the file again... and then try with original firm too... gimme a sec.. |
| 08:49:46 | GodEater_ | I'm lost |
| 08:49:59 | GodEater_ | RYd3R: are you saying that even Elephant's dream doesn't work on your player or not ? |
| 08:50:16 | LinusN | RYd3R: and how old is your rockbox version? |
| 08:50:35 | RYd3R | Elephants dream does NOT work |
| 08:50:53 | RYd3R | I'm not sure.. I just bought the thing like 3 days ago.. |
| 08:51:10 | GodEater_ | RYd3R: what, it CAME with Rockbox on it ? |
| 08:51:26 | RYd3R | I can check my firmware in a moment.. just encoding a small video with media converter |
| 08:51:28 | Isolinear | lol |
| 08:51:45 | RYd3R | haha.. would have been a better idea.... |
| 08:51:49 | GodEater_ | how does that stop you looking at your player ? |
| 08:52:13 | RYd3R | Oh.. I guess it doesn't... |
| 08:52:28 | amiconn | LinusN: Btw, the fm and v2 recorders have no maintainer... |
| 08:52:49 | LinusN | i'll put myself as fmrec/v2 maintainer |
| 08:53:16 | * | amiconn is still looking for an fm |
| 08:53:30 | RYd3R | Elephants dream says: Incompatible version and the mov file I just encoded did not work either.. going to try original fireware... |
| 08:54:36 | RYd3R | Is there a certain file structure you should follow with rockbox? |
| 08:54:39 | GodEater_ | RYd3R: that sounds to me like you've been upgrading your rockbox install in bits |
| 08:55:03 | GodEater_ | like, you've only taken parts of the zip file, and not all of it |
| 08:56:00 | RYd3R | Well. kinda.. I've tried a bunch of different things... quite a few times.. then tried another clean install and Hmm.. haha.. I've tried so many things in 3 days now I don't remember... |
| 08:56:17 | GodEater_ | a "clean" install is unnecessary |
| 08:56:30 | RYd3R | What's the best way of starting over..? To make sure I can track the issue? |
| 08:56:33 | GodEater_ | just unzip a new rockbox.zip to your player |
| 08:56:47 | GodEater_ | and make sure it overwrites ALL older files |
| 08:56:59 | GodEater_ | any other method will result in your issue |
| 08:57:21 | RYd3R | Hmm.. ok.. I'll try that right now... |
| 08:57:48 | RYd3R | Yeah.. the video I just encoded works great on the original firm.. |
| 08:57:49 | LinusN | RYd3R: and don't bother to try to play a MOV file in rockbox |
| 08:58:02 | RYd3R | mov does not work in rockbox? |
| 08:58:10 | GodEater_ | until you've converted it anyway |
| 08:58:15 | LinusN | we just told you, rockbox only plays mpeg2 files |
| 08:58:16 | RYd3R | Oh.. yeah.. |
| 08:58:17 | GodEater_ | that's what I said |
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| 08:59:05 | RYd3R | So what about jpeg files? Do I still need to convert jpeg with the media converter? Or does rockbox handle jpeg files in their native format? |
| 08:59:39 | GodEater_ | it handles all jpegs except "progressively encoded" ones IIUC |
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| 09:00:06 | RYd3R | Nice.. and they can be read out of the picture OR photo folder? |
| 09:00:20 | GodEater_ | they can be read anywhere you bloody like |
| 09:00:30 | RYd3R | Sweet.. |
| 09:00:50 | RYd3R | My original firmware is 01.02.15a |
| 09:01:30 | * | GodEater_ wonders if this is relevant |
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| 09:02:43 | * | scorche spots a few more google pictures and wonders why certain ones havent been published yet... |
| 09:03:52 | psycho_maniac | Isolinear: what is stopping you from comitting that wps theme? |
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| 09:04:24 | scorche | s/comitting/uploading |
| 09:04:47 | Isolinear | There's a lot of unused code since I used another theme as a template so I need to clean out everything I don't use. |
| 09:05:07 | Isolinear | Plus I need to check with a couple of deviantArt users to make sure use of their images is ok. |
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| 09:05:24 | GodEater_ | <3 deviantart |
| 09:05:43 | amiconn | LinusN: Why does docs/MAINTAINERS trigger a rebuild? |
| 09:06:02 | GodEater_ | for fun ? |
| 09:06:10 | LinusN | amiconn: every checkin triggers a rebuild |
| 09:06:28 | LinusN | and this particular one will probably need to rebuild the credits plugin |
| 09:06:38 | amiconn | That's not entirely true... manual commits don't, and rbuitl commits neither |
| 09:06:45 | LinusN | true |
| 09:06:51 | amiconn | credits uses docs/CREDITS |
| 09:06:55 | LinusN | trua again |
| 09:07:14 | RYd3R | What if I want to keep the themes... do I have to copy over those folders to? Or can I leave them alone? And better off to extract the themes again.. |
| 09:07:18 | amiconn | Maybe we need a somewhat more fine-grained check |
| 09:07:35 | LinusN | is it really that bad? |
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| 09:08:50 | amiconn | Well, a useless rebuild comsumes cpu power, delays rebuild for subsequent commits when there are several in quick succession, and increases the risk of hanging builds |
| 09:09:38 | GodEater_ | that's very green of you amiconn |
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| 09:09:57 | amiconn | ? |
| 09:10:21 | GodEater_ | the consumes cpu power bit. |
| 09:10:32 | GodEater_ | I assumed you were worrying about Rockbox's carbon footprint |
| 09:10:47 | amiconn | The build trigger mechanism seems to need some attention anyway; every now and then it misses a commit that *should* trigger a rebuild |
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| 09:13:39 | LinusN | amiconn: the detection is in tools/svnupcheck.pl |
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| 09:19:36 | RYd3R | Hmm.. you guys ROCK!box... ;) lol! That was the problem.. bits and pieces of everything.... |
| 09:20:26 | GodEater_ | RYd3R: I assume you found that your themes are still ok |
| 09:20:40 | RYd3R | Now runs everything... small question that I'm sure has been asked a million times.. the jpeg codec.. ever think there will be a "rotate" button for it? |
| 09:21:51 | GodEater_ | RYd3R: there are patches to do this I think |
| 09:21:54 | RYd3R | Yes yes.. themes are good... just didn't replace applicable themes folders.. |
| 09:22:24 | RYd3R | Or really.. I'll have to look into it.. would be nice to rotate the picture wide if was taken that way.. |
| 09:22:39 | GodEater_ | how would rockbox know if it was taken that way ? |
| 09:23:29 | RYd3R | No.. not an auto rotate.. but if 'I' wanted to rotate the picture.. |
| 09:24:06 | RYd3R | That's what I had 'meant' to say |
| 09:24:45 | RYd3R | Does anyone have a good and easy mpeg2 convertor to recommend? That can do most file types? Like divx and xvid etc? |
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| 09:26:45 | GodEater_ | RYd3R: please see our wiki page on mpegplayer |
| 09:26:51 | GodEater_ | we recommend several there |
| 09:27:11 | RYd3R | Oh.. thanks! |
| 09:27:54 | RYd3R | And much thanks for your help... |
| 09:28:02 | GodEater_ | np |
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| 09:30:42 | syn4pse | would someone look at my copyright/GNU license? I am just wondering if I can copyright my changes to someone else's berkeley license codes. laws are not my forte |
| 09:31:51 | syn4pse | i intend to give it away; i just want to know how to sign the code with my name. |
| 09:34:37 | GodEater_ | syn4pse: you can copyright whatever you like - you can't change the license without all copyright holder's permission though |
| 09:35:38 | syn4pse | ok, so it just stays berkeley. is there any reason why i should worry about that? will it interfere with the rockbox license? |
| 09:35:59 | GodEater_ | do you mean it's a BSD license ? |
| 09:36:36 | syn4pse | not sure. on his webpage he says the code is in the public domain. |
| 09:37:15 | syn4pse | in his comments he says cpright joe blow, 2000 all rights reserved <berkeley license> |
| 09:37:39 | GodEater_ | does he have the text of the license somewhere ? |
| 09:38:02 | syn4pse | hmm let me check... one sec |
| 09:39:19 | syn4pse | http://www.adaptive-enterprises.com.au/~d/software/amaze/ |
| 09:39:28 | syn4pse | no file included with tarball |
| 09:39:48 | GodEater_ | that's a big vague then |
| 09:40:16 | GodEater_ | ah |
| 09:40:30 | GodEater_ | the web page is better though I think - if it's in the Public Domain, then I think we can include it |
| 09:40:46 | GodEater_ | best check with Bagder / LinusN though |
| 09:40:51 | syn4pse | ok. |
| 09:41:21 | Zagor | Public Domain does not exist in all jurisdiction. I know it doesn't in europe, anyway. someone always owns a work. |
| 09:41:27 | syn4pse | damn, i've been working on this for over a month, since i'm learning c at the same time. |
| 09:42:00 | syn4pse | what if he's cited? maybe i can contact the guy. he took the idea from a magazine source code that he ported to curses. |
| 09:42:36 | syn4pse | so it's not like the intellectual property is all his, if that matters. but i'm not a lawyer and don't remotely want to be. |
| 09:43:18 | Zagor | I'd say the best option is to contact him and ask if he can consider licensing his work as GPL. |
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| 09:44:36 | psycho_maniac | amaze looks like the screen saver they had on windows 95 or 98 |
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| 09:51:07 | syn4pse | done. sent him an email. |
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| 09:52:06 | chris00_297245 | see my naked ex on www.nackte-ex.de.gg <my revange! |
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| 09:52:20 | syn4pse | he's probably awake since he's an aussie. :D |
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| 09:52:37 | syn4pse | thanks, guys. |
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| 10:06:19 | JdGordon | any other devs has a DS and want to try porting rockbox? |
| 10:10:44 | GodEater_ | *tumbleweed* |
| 10:11:14 | petur | / |
| 10:11:35 | petur | - |
| 10:11:54 | petur | \ |
| 10:13:01 | Bagder | boring target imho |
| 10:14:56 | JdGordon | why boring? |
| 10:15:31 | Bagder | several reasons: 1) its old 2) not many users will care for rockbox on it 3) no storage to mention |
| 10:16:16 | Bagder | and its a frigging game thing, I would never buy one |
| 10:16:16 | JdGordon | that makes it a pointless target.. not boring :p |
| 10:16:33 | Bagder | I think of it as boring |
| 10:16:57 | Bagder | just expressing my own opinion |
| 10:17:26 | Zagor | hmm, usb interrupt is fired on the timer irq. don't we know the real usb interrupt? firmware/target/arm/system-pp502x.c:22 |
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| 10:18:33 | Bagder | I guess we don't |
| 10:18:57 | JdGordon | Bagder: well yeah, I would thing it would be more to say we could do it than to be actually useful |
| 10:19:06 | ddalton | Bagder: Can I have tracker access so I can close tasks? |
| 10:19:11 | Bagder | sure |
| 10:19:18 | Bagder | your user name there? |
| 10:19:31 | ddalton | Bagder: were you talking to me ? |
| 10:19:43 | Bagder | ddalton: yes, what's your tracker user name? |
| 10:19:45 | ddalton | ddalton |
| 10:20:23 | Bagder | ddalton: you now have extra tracker powers, enjoy! |
| 10:20:24 | ddalton | Bagder it is ddalton |
| 10:20:32 | ddalton | thank you |
| 10:27:49 | amiconn | Zagor: I doubt that this is the "real" usb irq |
| 10:28:24 | Zagor | yeah me too |
| 10:29:30 | amiconn | This looks to me like a dirty way to check sth every tick |
| 10:29:38 | amiconn | The proper way would be to use a tick task |
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| 10:33:59 | pondlife | Who are the RBUtil main men? bluebrother and domoneky ? |
| 10:34:08 | Bagder | yes |
| 10:37:00 | pondlife | Just wondered if there was a major reason it didn't support SAPI TTS yet. Probably just needs the options adding? |
| 10:38:17 | pondlife | According to the wiki SAPI is supported, but I can't see how... guess I'll read the source. |
| 10:43:14 | GodEater_ | sorry Llorean |
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| 10:46:07 | pixelma | GodEater: isn't that a bit... unnecessarily offensive? |
| 10:46:57 | * | linuxstb would tend to agree with pixelma |
| 10:47:00 | GodEater_ | edited. |
| 10:47:25 | GodEater_ | oh sod it - deleted |
| 10:47:37 | GodEater_ | he's beyond help though |
| 10:50:03 | GodEater_ | http://xkcd.com/293/ |
| 10:50:08 | ddalton | Pondlife: do you think your patch (you did most of it) And LinusN. is likely to be excepted? |
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| 10:50:29 | pondlife | excepted?? Do you mean accepted? |
| 10:50:36 | GodEater_ | I think he does |
| 10:50:53 | ddalton | yeah I probably can't spell :-) |
| 10:51:03 | ddalton | or maybe :-( |
| 10:51:05 | pondlife | The two words could mean the opposite of each other in this case ;) |
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| 10:51:27 | pondlife | It might be, but I'd like to see someone put #ifdefs in for all voice support first. |
| 10:51:44 | pondlife | Someone said they'd work on that... scorche, I think? |
| 10:52:09 | pondlife | I'm already concerned at the recent red deltas. |
| 10:52:31 | * | amiconn wouldn't like ifdefs for voice |
| 10:52:47 | ddalton | Pondlife: why do we #if for my patch to be accepted? |
| 10:53:10 | pondlife | amiconn: It would just allow someone to make a non-voiced build should they wish to save memory |
| 10:53:23 | ddalton | need |
| 10:53:31 | pondlife | ddalton: We don't... but I'm concerned it'll be considered bloat. |
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| 10:57:12 | amiconn | The trigger screen should probably be ifdefed out for hwcodec |
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| 10:57:37 | amiconn | I mean the voice in the trigger screen |
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| 10:57:59 | amiconn | Hmm, or perhaps not |
| 10:59:44 | amiconn | The problem with the trigger screen is that many settings require to be in recording mode, but then voice doesn't work - both on hwcodec and swcodec |
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| 11:00:54 | pondlife | ddalton: Does the patch check voice_menus_enabled() before it speaks? |
| 11:01:15 | preglow | why was the vorbis optimization task reopened? |
| 11:01:24 | linuxstb | The gigabeat bug? |
| 11:01:44 | preglow | a weird one, that... |
| 11:01:49 | linuxstb | Indeed... |
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| 11:10:51 | Zagor | scorche: were you interested in the Archos AV340? |
| 11:11:02 | spiorf | hi, there is a way to prevent the ipod nano from booting the original firmware |
| 11:11:16 | spiorf | when the usb cable is connected? |
| 11:11:44 | spiorf | if i connect it when rockbox is running it boots in disk mode and this is ok |
| 11:12:16 | spiorf | but if it's turned off, and connect the cablem, it boots the apple's firmware |
| 11:12:39 | spiorf | recreating all those annoying dirs in the filesystem |
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| 11:18:15 | Bagder | http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/10/10/rockbox-usb/ |
| 11:18:24 | Bagder | my write-up of the current situation |
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| 11:22:25 | spiorf | hmmm |
| 11:22:34 | amiconn | spiorf: It does so if you have Hold enabled when disconnecting USB. There is no way to prevent that, except taking care to unlock hold before disconnecting USB |
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| 11:24:01 | JdGordon | Zagor: when you get usb going, are you planning on being able to use usb as a host instead of just a device? |
| 11:25:56 | Zagor | JdGordon: my current focus is device mode. |
| 11:26:56 | Zagor | host mode isn't terribly complex if all we want is copy files, for instance |
| 11:27:06 | JdGordon | ok |
| 11:27:49 | linuxstb | spiorf: You could remove the Apple firmware completely - install the Rockbox bootloader with the command "ipodpatcher -we" (I think...) |
| 11:27:50 | spiorf | amiconn, i meant some little code-editing to prevent the original firmware from starting at all |
| 11:28:16 | spiorf | linuxstb, i only care about the disk mode of the original firmware |
| 11:28:24 | spiorf | it will be kept if i do that? |
| 11:29:02 | linuxstb | Yes. Are you saying that the "emergency disk mode" (the one Rockbox reboots into) also recreates the Apple folder structure? |
| 11:29:22 | spiorf | no |
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| 11:29:35 | linuxstb | Inserting USB shouldn't cause Rockbox to start the original Apple firmware, unless you have the hold switch turned on. |
| 11:30:06 | spiorf | linuxstb, if i put the ipod on the dock while it is off, it starts the original firmware |
| 11:30:32 | linuxstb | With the hold switch off? That's odd... |
| 11:30:51 | linuxstb | Are you _sure_ it's the original firmware, and not the emergency (black and white) disk mode? |
| 11:31:11 | spiorf | i am _sure_, it asks me the language everytime |
| 11:31:28 | linuxstb | And you're running the official bootloader? |
| 11:31:56 | spiorf | maybe an old one |
| 11:32:10 | spiorf | i don't remember the last time i updated the bootloader |
| 11:33:00 | linuxstb | There are possibly patched bootloaders around that start the Apple firmware on the Nano when USB is inserted - the disk mode in the Apple firmware is much faster that the emergency disk mode on the Nano. |
| 11:33:32 | ddalton | what get_action function do I use to find out what button was pressed? (in the wps) |
| 11:33:44 | ddalton | what arguments do I need to suply? |
| 11:33:49 | ddalton | supply |
| 11:34:25 | spiorf | linuxstb, should i use ipodpatcher from svn or the precompiled one? |
| 11:34:37 | ddalton | LinusN: do you know? |
| 11:34:53 | linuxstb | spiorf: The precompiled one - it has tested and known-working bootloaders embedded in it. |
| 11:35:13 | safetydan | does lowlight have commit access? |
| 11:35:23 | linuxstb | Yes |
| 11:37:47 | LinusN | ddalton: the whole point of the action framework is that you aren't supposed to care which button triggered the action |
| 11:38:17 | ddalton | LinusN: so what is button = get_action for? |
| 11:38:38 | pixelma | does someone have an idea how (or if at all) the build table is accessible for sdoyon? |
| 11:38:46 | LinusN | tha variable name is a remnant from the days where we used button_get() instead |
| 11:39:07 | barrywardell | JdGordon: I have a DS...not sure how worthwhile Rockbox would be on it though. Mine has the option to play mp3's off a microSD, but I've never bothered with it |
| 11:39:10 | spiorf | linuxstb, it doesn't find the ipod |
| 11:39:11 | ddalton | pixelma: do you mean the current build page? |
| 11:39:43 | LinusN | ddalton: the user interface code is based on actions, and the keymaps map buttons to actions |
| 11:39:56 | linuxstb | Anyone know anything about the Nellymoser audio codec? There's now a patch for a decoder in ffmpeg... |
| 11:40:19 | linuxstb | spiorf: Are you running as root/Administrator? |
| 11:40:22 | pixelma | ddalton: I mean the table behind this link http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi - that tells if there are failed builds/warnings for all the targets after a commit |
| 11:40:30 | spiorf | linuxstb, yeah |
| 11:40:50 | linuxstb | spiorf: Are you on Linux or Windows? |
| 11:40:57 | spiorf | linux |
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| 11:41:21 | linuxstb | If you type "fdisk -l", does your ipod appear? (you should be able to tell by the disk capacity) |
| 11:41:42 | pixelma | ddalton: especially the first one of the two |
| 11:41:55 | spiorf | linuxstb, yeah it is found |
| 11:42:12 | barrywardell | are we going to release a new sansapatcher now that jhMikeS has fixed the bootloader OF loading? |
| 11:42:22 | linuxstb | Can you post the ipod section of the output to http://pastebin.ca ? |
| 11:42:29 | ddalton | what does the 0 mean? |
| 11:42:46 | pixelma | no errors |
| 11:42:46 | LinusN | ddalton: zero errors or warnings |
| 11:43:07 | spiorf | linuxstb, http://pastebin.ca/731695 |
| 11:43:07 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Are you volunteering? ;) |
| 11:43:15 | ddalton | looks to be accessible but he is using braille and a linux box. (I hope to be soon) |
| 11:43:30 | ddalton | what info should I be able to find out there? |
| 11:43:40 | linuxstb | spiorf: Why uba ? |
| 11:44:06 | spiorf | every usb thing here shows up as /dev/ub* |
| 11:44:10 | ddalton | LinusN: So how do I detect if a button is being pressed in a function? Fast forwarding |
| 11:44:15 | ddalton | that is the button |
| 11:44:15 | linuxstb | ipodpatcher should work if you just type "ipodpatcher /dev/uba" - it only looks for sd[a-z] devices. |
| 11:44:28 | pondlife | Anyone tested the insert next fix at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7898 ? |
| 11:44:31 | barrywardell | I can build them, but only for macos, linux, 64-bit linux. don't know what's involved for windows |
| 11:44:44 | linuxstb | Which Linux distro are you using? |
| 11:45:09 | spiorf | linuxstb, it seems ot work: should i remove the bootloader and reinstall it, or just install the new one over the old one? |
| 11:45:12 | linuxstb | that question was to both barrywardell and spiorf ;) |
| 11:45:13 | spiorf | archlinux |
| 11:45:25 | linuxstb | spiorf: You should just be able to install over the top. |
| 11:45:50 | pixelma | ddalton: it'll tell you if there was something wrong with your commit e.g. if your commit caused errors on one (or more) of the targets, maybe even let the build fail |
| 11:46:01 | ddalton | is that all? |
| 11:46:18 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Releases should also be tagged in SVN - I added some notes about that on the UsingSVN page |
| 11:46:40 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I have gentoo 64bit and 32 bit |
| 11:47:00 | ddalton | pixelma: I can tell: -time and date -errors or warnings -player |
| 11:47:02 | linuxstb | barrywardell: On Debian, you install the mingw32 cross-compiler and then do "make sansapatcher.exe" |
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| 11:47:27 | barrywardell | I also have vista and xp, but no dev environment set up |
| 11:47:29 | spiorf | sorry to keep bugging you, but now it starts rockbox when connected, but rockbox is freezed |
| 11:47:44 | ddalton | remember I am on windows though and he is on linux so technology is completely different. But I am pretty sure it should work for him. |
| 11:47:54 | ddalton | accessible software packages I mean |
| 11:48:06 | spiorf | it turns light on and off regularly, but cant use menus |
| 11:48:14 | LinusN | ddalton: we do it by defining an action that uses the REPEAT attribute, so the action event is resent every repeat interval until the button is release, which triggers the ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK action |
| 11:48:53 | pixelma | ddalton: thanks for the info |
| 11:48:54 | barrywardell | linuxstb: thanks. I'll look ino it. |
| 11:48:57 | linuxstb | spiorf: Hmm, some people report that - it seems to be a bug that appears and disappears with different Rockbox builds. |
| 11:49:12 | linuxstb | (I don't experience it on my Color though...) |
| 11:49:14 | delYsid | P#7704 updated. |
| 11:49:24 | LinusN | ddalton: the actions in question are ACTION_WPS_SEEKFWD, ACTION_WPS_SEEKBACK and ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK |
| 11:49:28 | ddalton | delYsid: what was done/ |
| 11:49:31 | ddalton | ? |
| 11:49:54 | ddalton | ok linusN I will keep trying :-) |
| 11:49:58 | delYsid | ddalton: justed synced with svn. |
| 11:50:03 | spiorf | linuxstb, for now i can live with that, at least i don't have to delete 4 dirs everytime |
| 11:50:16 | ddalton | delYsid: ok |
| 11:50:25 | LinusN | ddalton: so you don't need to do anything to detect if the button is still pressed, all you do is wait for the ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK action |
| 11:50:39 | LinusN | then you know the seek is done |
| 11:50:40 | spiorf | linuxstb, thank you for the help |
| 11:50:58 | linuxstb | barrywardell: If you give me the bootloaders, I can build the .exe. Also, don't forget to bump the version number (in main.c) |
| 11:51:19 | ddalton | LinusN: so that is only executed once you let go of the fast forward button? |
| 11:51:26 | LinusN | yes |
| 11:52:21 | barrywardell | linuxstb: I'll try getting them to compile myself first, if not I'll take you up on that offer :) |
| 11:53:02 | LinusN | the wps code traps the SEEKFWD and SEEKBACK actions and calls the ffwd_rew function (which is in gui/gwps-common.c), which waits for the STOPSEEK action |
| 11:54:09 | ddalton | LinusN: what file is "ACTION_WPS_STOPSEEK " in? |
| 11:54:36 | LinusN | it is defined in the keymap file, and is trapped in gui/gwps.c |
| 11:54:59 | LinusN | sorry, trapped in gui/gwps-common.c |
| 11:56:51 | ddalton | Thanks linusN found it |
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| 12:09:08 | barrywardell | linuxstb: do I just bump the bootloaders to 3.0? |
| 12:09:37 | linuxstb | Yes, why not. |
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| 12:09:49 | linuxstb | I think we're up to v6 or v7 for the h140 |
| 12:10:50 | * | JdGordon hopes to have some time to work on the e200r installer tomorow |
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| 12:11:12 | JdGordon | ... that wasntme saying we should hold of releasing a new sansapatcher untill then though |
| 12:11:14 | ddalton | I am trying to install quilt on to cygwin so I can manage patches more easily. So how do I extract a .tar.tar file in linux? |
| 12:11:42 | linuxstb | JdGordon: The e200r installer is completely independent to sansapatcher |
| 12:11:47 | ddalton | LinusN: how did you learn where everything is in the rockbox source? |
| 12:11:48 | GodEater_ | the same way you'd extract any .tar file |
| 12:12:06 | GodEater_ | ddalton: because he wrote lots of it ? |
| 12:12:09 | ddalton | GodEater_: how do you extract one I don't no the command |
| 12:12:10 | ddalton | know |
| 12:12:19 | barrywardell | lost of 64-bit warnings in sansapatcher |
| 12:12:21 | JdGordon | linuxstb: yes.. and no... :p |
| 12:12:23 | GodEater_ | ddalton: tar xf your_tar_file.tar |
| 12:12:31 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Why no? |
| 12:12:38 | ddalton | ok he just seems to know just about everything |
| 12:12:50 | ddalton | thanks |
| 12:13:01 | LinusN | ddalton: i've been involved in the coding since the beginning of the project, so i've had my hands in almost every file |
| 12:13:14 | JdGordon | linuxstb: well, if it can detect a r from a non r then it could do the whole thing (well, the sending the program across anyway) |
| 12:13:28 | ddalton | LinusN: ok so what should new comers do? just keep coding? |
| 12:13:39 | LinusN | ddalton: yes, basically |
| 12:13:44 | ddalton | and they will hopefully learn all the lay out? |
| 12:13:46 | JdGordon | just keep swimming... just keep swimming... :p |
| 12:14:02 | delYsid | ddalton: `grep' is your friend if you are looking through source code... |
| 12:14:16 | linuxstb | JdGordon: But (on Windows at least), it requires the user to install libusb - we don't want to make users of non-R Sansas do that. I think it's simpler to just keep it as a separate install utility. (rbutil will eventually incorporate both anyway). |
| 12:14:18 | barrywardell | any suggestions on how to fix these warnings for 64-bit: "format '%08llx' expects type 'long long unsigned int', but argument 3 has type 'loff_t'"? just a cast is ok? |
| 12:14:19 | ddalton | I know I just need to buy a linux box :-) |
| 12:15:02 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ok, i guess so |
| 12:15:56 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Maybe just remove that output? |
| 12:17:03 | barrywardell | but they're important debug messages |
| 12:17:45 | JdGordon | just leave them as is... |
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| 12:34:53 | pondlife | LinusN: Bootloader versions... that reminds me, what's holding up a new H300 bootloader release? |
| 12:35:03 | pondlife | Just petur's H380? |
| 12:35:10 | LinusN | not really |
| 12:35:24 | barrywardell | don't have my sansa's data cable with me. I'll have to leave this until later when I can test it. |
| 12:35:32 | LinusN | i'm am thinking about removing the charging in the bootloader |
| 12:35:50 | pondlife | Why would that be? It seems to work fine. |
| 12:35:59 | LinusN | car adapter mode |
| 12:36:06 | pondlife | Ah, gotcha |
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| 12:36:24 | ddalton | is 0 ok in rockbox and 1 an error? |
| 12:36:25 | pondlife | So it could be put back in when/if we get the EEPROM settings. |
| 12:36:27 | LinusN | but i need to verify if the player can load rockbox with a flat battery |
| 12:36:45 | pondlife | I suspect it can't... |
| 12:37:02 | pondlife | I think I've had that happen on an old bootloader. |
| 12:37:15 | pondlife | Current SVN is nice from that respect. |
| 12:37:18 | ddalton | what does return -1 mean? |
| 12:37:22 | ddalton | an error? |
| 12:37:33 | digitalspaghetti | hey can anyone help, i'm having problems getting my ipod to work correctly in Ubuntu and get rockbox to install. It's my gf's old ipod mini, and it has the name ALEX'S IPOD, mounted at /media/ALEX'S IPOD. I can't find a way to rename it, and I can't get the auto-installer or the patch to recognise it |
| 12:37:34 | pondlife | ddalton: Depends on the function! |
| 12:37:50 | digitalspaghetti | I also see in the cli patcher, it gives me [ERR] Please connect your ipod and ensure it is in disk mode |
| 12:38:00 | pondlife | ddalton: Each function has different return codes. |
| 12:38:04 | digitalspaghetti | but i can see it on my desktop |
| 12:38:07 | ddalton | Pondlife: one I am writing returns int |
| 12:38:46 | pondlife | Well, if you're writing it, you can define the return codes.. Typically 0 = success though (I think). |
| 12:38:57 | pondlife | Or return a bool, if it's a true/false type thing |
| 12:39:14 | digitalspaghetti | is there a way to change the mountpoint to just /media/ipod ? |
| 12:41:23 | | Part agm3nt |
| 12:41:39 | LinusN | ddalton: we usually return negative numbers on error |
| 12:41:50 | ddalton | LinusN: ok |
| 12:44:40 | digitalspaghetti | Ahh, ok - figured something out. can someone help here, this is the output of fdisk -l : http://dev.pastemonkey.org/paste/470cacee-ec94-487b-bb21-177c404fdb0d |
| 12:45:21 | digitalspaghetti | when i do ./ipodpatcher /dev/sdg2 i get [ERR] Partition layout is not an ipod and /dev/sdg1 i get [ERR] Bad boot sector signature |
| 12:46:32 | linuxstb | digitalspaghetti: You should do "./ipodpatcher /dev/sdg" |
| 12:46:53 | linuxstb | digitalspaghetti: ipodpatcher doesn't care about the mount point - it just needs the raw "whole disk" device |
| 12:47:20 | digitalspaghetti | ahh, ok - now I get [ERR] Unknown version number in firmware (00000000) |
| 12:47:36 | linuxstb | Does the Apple firmware work? |
| 12:47:55 | digitalspaghetti | yea, it's a working ipod, dunno if it's the latest firmware though |
| 12:48:02 | digitalspaghetti | i just got it today, it's my gf's old one |
| 12:49:42 | linuxstb | That's odd. I would suggest upgrading it to the latest Apple firmware, just to make sure that the firmware partition is in a good state. In Linux, you can do that by following steps 2-4 here - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodManualRestore |
| 12:50:36 | linuxstb | But I would also be interested in seeing a copy of your firmware partition - you can back it up by doing something like "dd if=/dev/sdg1 | gzip -9 > backup.bin.gz" |
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| 12:52:26 | digitalspaghetti | linuxstb, k it's about 20mb, i'll upload it to my server |
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| 12:57:07 | linuxstb | digitalspaghetti: Thanks. |
| 12:57:54 | digitalspaghetti | hmm weird |
| 12:58:08 | digitalspaghetti | the auto installer now auto-recognises my mount point and type of ipod |
| 12:58:17 | digitalspaghetti | but when i then try install, it says no ipod found :/ |
| 12:58:23 | linuxstb | It's probably just cached from the last time you used rbutil. |
| 12:58:33 | linuxstb | (I assume you selected it manually) |
| 12:58:42 | digitalspaghetti | ahh, ok |
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| 13:02:46 | digitalspaghetti | hmm, could it be i've picked the wrong generation of ipod? |
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| 13:03:10 | linuxstb | ipodpatcher doesn't let you pick - it detects automatically. |
| 13:03:24 | digitalspaghetti | ahh, ok |
| 13:03:42 | digitalspaghetti | so it doesn't depend of what .rockbox i've installed on my ipod |
| 13:04:47 | linuxstb | rbutil may use that, but ipodpatcher doesn't. I would suggest just sticking with ipodpatcher - if that doesn't work, rbutil won't either (rbutil uses ipodpatcher, then adds more on top). |
| 13:05:14 | digitalspaghetti | hmm i've got vista on another partition, maybe i should see if I can format the ipod and make sure it's up to date |
| 13:05:43 | linuxstb | Just follow that link I gave you to upgrade the firmware from Linux - it's simply a matter of downloading it, and using dd to write it to /dev/sdg1 |
| 13:05:54 | GodEater_ | using vista will likely cause you even more problems... |
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| 13:11:54 | digitalspaghetti | linuxstb, digitalspaghetti.me.uk/backup.bin.gz">http://dev.digitalspaghetti.me.uk/backup.bin.gz |
| 13:12:24 | digitalspaghetti | oh wait, hmm |
| 13:12:49 | digitalspaghetti | ahh, it went into a subdir: digitalspaghetti.me.uk/password/backup.bin.gz">http://dev.digitalspaghetti.me.uk/password/backup.bin.gz |
| 13:14:19 | linuxstb | digitalspaghetti: Thanks, downloaded. |
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| 13:14:59 | linuxstb | digitalspaghetti: That's not a mini, that's a 2nd generation Nano... |
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| 13:16:43 | digitalspaghetti | yea, i got the correct firmware for it downloading |
| 13:16:49 | digitalspaghetti | (29.1.1.3) |
| 13:17:07 | linuxstb | Have you read the front page of the Rockbox website? Where it lists the devices Rockbox works on? |
| 13:18:52 | digitalspaghetti | ahh, ok :( |
| 13:19:08 | digitalspaghetti | looks like i'll just have to convert all my oggs then :( |
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| 13:19:22 | anarchoVegan | Hi everyone! |
| 13:20:28 | digitalspaghetti | ohh sound juicer makes acc files |
| 13:21:02 | ddalton | LinusN: what do I need to do to get svn access? Write good patches and wait? |
| 13:22:42 | anarchoVegan | does anyone know why my apple partition in my ipod is empty? it worked for a few days but then for some reason everything disapeared from the apple partition so i can't view any videos now :( |
| 13:23:26 | linuxstb | anarchoVegan: You mean that the Apple firmware can't see your videos, or Rockbox can't see any files? |
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| 13:23:54 | anarchoVegan | Apple firmware is completely empty |
| 13:24:09 | GodEater_ | anarchoVegan: how would you know ? |
| 13:24:19 | anarchoVegan | i rebooted into it |
| 13:24:42 | GodEater_ | that doesn't mean it's empty |
| 13:24:43 | linuxstb | anarchoVegan: That sounds like an issue with the Apple firmware - Rockbox doesn't touch any of the files used by the Apple firmware. |
| 13:24:50 | anarchoVegan | but when I go into the ipod_control folder in the ipod on the computer, all the files seem to be there |
| 13:25:12 | anarchoVegan | although they have letter names like GTPQ AND JDFQ |
| 13:25:15 | anarchoVegan | ooh ok |
| 13:25:19 | GodEater_ | anarchoVegan: find something which will rebuild the iTunesDB on the ipod then |
| 13:25:46 | anarchoVegan | ok thanks for the advice :D |
| 13:26:10 | anarchoVegan | umm |
| 13:26:16 | anarchoVegan | is there a way to do that in Linux? |
| 13:26:48 | linuxstb | I expect gtkpod can do it, but discussion of Apple's firmware is off-topic for #rockbox |
| 13:26:55 | anarchoVegan | ok |
| 13:27:57 | digitalspaghetti | linuxstb, is the cause of rockbox not working on a 2nd gen nano known? |
| 13:28:19 | digitalspaghetti | i.e. is there a workaround in action, or someone needed to try work it out? |
| 13:28:24 | linuxstb | The "cause" is that it's completely new hardware and no-one has ported Rockbox to it. |
| 13:28:56 | digitalspaghetti | is the svn public for read access? |
| 13:28:59 | linuxstb | Rockbox doesn't work by accident, it takes months/years of hard work to port to a new target. |
| 13:29:38 | pondlife | Hmm, it'd be good if things did work by accident more often.... |
| 13:29:42 | Zagor | digitalspaghetti: svn.rockbox.org |
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| 13:29:54 | digitalspaghetti | oh of course, i understand, i am a programmer |
| 13:30:04 | digitalspaghetti | but it doesn't hurt to have a look |
| 13:30:15 | GodEater_ | I suspect you're a programmer on documented hardware however... |
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| 13:31:35 | digitalspaghetti | in my day job |
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| 13:31:52 | digitalspaghetti | i also know how to read code for non-documented |
| 13:31:57 | GodEater_ | digitalspaghetti: without wishing to seem rude - we've had to explain why Rockbox on the 2G is really hard a LOT. Have a look in our forums at the Nano 2G thread for all the reasons. |
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| 13:32:16 | GodEater_ | it contains all the answers |
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| 13:36:18 | pixelma | would a wiki page to point people too be handy? |
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| 13:36:25 | * | petur wonders what digitalspaghetti has for lunch. Analog spaghetti? |
| 13:36:26 | pixelma | s/too/to |
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| 13:39:21 | deuce | hi there |
| 13:39:47 | deuce | just need a little help |
| 13:40:56 | * | pixelma waits for the question... ;) |
| 13:41:20 | deuce | ok thank you |
| 13:41:33 | deuce | i just installed rockbox on my ipod mini |
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| 13:41:47 | deuce | did anything just like the manual says |
| 13:42:04 | deuce | then i connected to my pc again to load some music |
| 13:42:45 | deuce | the ipod screen shows an usb plug but the pc did not find it |
| 13:43:11 | deuce | now the usb plug does not vanish....and no buttons on my ipod work |
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| 13:44:09 | pixelma | ok, that happens with some rockbox builds - then you need to reset the Ipod and put it into disk mode manually |
| 13:44:37 | deuce | yeah...reset would be menu+select but it does not work |
| 13:44:55 | GodEater_ | <pantomime mode>Oh yes it does |
| 13:45:12 | deuce | yes it does now |
| 13:45:15 | deuce | im sorry |
| 13:45:32 | deuce | i swear it did not before (and i know the funktionality of "hold") |
| 13:46:27 | deuce | thanks very much.....could you tell me how i get the disk mode pls |
| 13:46:44 | deuce | i know i should look into the manual but it is easier that way |
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| 13:47:09 | pixelma | not for us ;) |
| 13:47:31 | deuce | yeah ur right |
| 13:47:46 | deuce | sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your help |
| 13:47:55 | pixelma | but select + play after the reboot itwas I think |
| 13:48:11 | deuce | ^^thx |
| 13:48:13 | GodEater_ | immediately after |
| 13:48:28 | GodEater_ | I'm not even certain that's *in* the manual |
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| 13:48:44 | GodEater_ | since we assume a "working" rockbox in the manual |
| 13:48:52 | pixelma | maybe it's in the Apple manual? :D |
| 13:49:02 | GodEater_ | doubt it |
| 13:49:11 | digitalspaghetti | GodEater_ fair enough on your last point, but it doesn't hurt to have a look and see if I can help |
| 13:49:15 | deuce | yes now it works |
| 13:49:43 | GodEater_ | digitalspaghetti: the forum thread will help you understand why "just having a look" will avail you nothing |
| 13:51:06 | deuce | ok everything is fine so thanks again |
| 13:51:23 | deuce | have a nice life if we do not meet again^^ |
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| 13:52:19 | amiconn | GodEater: The reset and diskmode combos are in the apple manual for the 1st/2nd gen |
| 13:52:27 | amiconn | Dunno about later models |
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| 13:52:33 | GodEater_ | wasn't in my Video manual |
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| 13:54:47 | ddalton | LinusN: what file displays the elapsed time? |
| 13:54:51 | ddalton | in the wps |
| 13:55:55 | LinusN | ddalton: gwps-common.c, the function is surprisingly called draw_progressbar |
| 13:56:05 | LinusN | if that is what you mean |
| 13:59:23 | ddalton | LinusN: does this sound something like it? state->id3->elapsed |
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| 14:00:31 | LinusN | ddalton: the code that returns the elapsed time to the WPS parser is in the get_token_value function, in gui/gwps-common.c |
| 14:00:50 | LinusN | line 785 |
| 14:01:58 | ddalton | Ok thanks |
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| 14:18:24 | wedgeV | is there a way to boot the original ipod os by default? |
| 14:20:04 | GodEater_ | wedgeV: you have of course read the manual |
| 14:20:39 | LinusN | wedgeV: you have to modify and recompile the bootloader yourself to do that |
| 14:20:45 | wedgeV | thanks |
| 14:20:53 | * | GodEater_ misread the question |
| 14:20:56 | GodEater_ | sorry |
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| 14:48:52 | wedgeV | i don't have a build environment setup, can any of you guys build the bootloader for me? (i'll send you the modified ipod.c) |
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| 14:58:55 | ilovegamestah | with rockbox can i automatically sync my ipod to itunes like i used to? |
| 14:59:15 | GodEater_ | ilovegamestah: yes |
| 14:59:24 | ilovegamestah | cool |
| 14:59:58 | ilovegamestah | can i always restore it back to originall ipod formware? |
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| 15:00:05 | ilovegamestah | firmware* |
| 15:00:09 | GodEater_ | why would you? you can choose to boot both |
| 15:00:17 | ilovegamestah | i dont |
| 15:00:25 | ilovegamestah | oh ok |
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| 15:00:27 | GodEater_ | but yes, should you want to - it's relatively easy |
| 15:00:28 | ilovegamestah | cool |
| 15:00:57 | linuxstb | The fine manual has uninstall instructions (in the Installation chapter) |
| 15:01:09 | ilovegamestah | oh ok |
| 15:01:13 | ilovegamestah | cool |
| 15:01:15 | ilovegamestah | thanks |
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| 15:05:45 | ilovegamestah | what do i need to auto install it |
| 15:05:55 | ilovegamestah | i have download the build i need |
| 15:06:08 | GodEater_ | I suggest you read the manual |
| 15:06:27 | ilovegamestah | yeah it says offical installer |
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| 15:06:34 | ilovegamestah | is that on the site? |
| 15:06:45 | GodEater_ | it's linked directly from within the manual... |
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| 15:27:49 | ilovegamestah | is it required to have the fonts package? |
| 15:30:44 | PaulJam | it's not neccessary, but the default font is very tiny, so i would recommend installing that too. |
| 15:31:55 | ilovegamestah | ah ok |
| 15:32:07 | ilovegamestah | do i just stick in in the .rockbox directory |
| 15:32:39 | ilovegamestah | the fonts folder that is |
| 15:32:46 | n1s | yes |
| 15:32:57 | PaulJam | just extract the zip to the root of your player, it contains the correct directory structure |
| 15:32:57 | J | unzip it though |
| 15:33:12 | ilovegamestah | yeah i have done that |
| 15:33:20 | ilovegamestah | but what about the fotns folder |
| 15:33:29 | ilovegamestah | does fonts* |
| 15:34:00 | ilovegamestah | like where does the fonts folder extract to |
| 15:34:04 | ilovegamestah | .rockbox? |
| 15:34:53 | PaulJam | if you do it correctly, all the .fnt files should be under .rockbox/fonts/ |
| 15:36:23 | ilovegamestah | yep cool |
| 15:36:26 | ilovegamestah | thats where i put them |
| 15:37:11 | ilovegamestah | whats a good font to use for the default theme |
| 15:38:04 | ilovegamestah | one other thing how do i change themes |
| 15:38:31 | J | rtm I'd recommend |
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| 15:38:44 | PaulJam | you should have a look at the manual |
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| 15:41:51 | ilovegamestah | is there a page with some sweet themes on it somewhere |
| 15:41:58 | ilovegamestah | the default ones are pretty poxy |
| 15:42:26 | linuxstb | http://www.google.com/search?q=rockbox+themes |
| 15:42:33 | PaulJam | http://www.rockbox-themes.org/ but many of the themes require custom buils |
| 15:44:23 | ilovegamestah | what do you mean by that |
| 15:44:30 | ilovegamestah | the build has to be edited to support the theme? |
| 15:45:55 | PaulJam | some features (for example albumart) are not yet available in the official build. so a theme that uses that will not work. |
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| 15:46:31 | oosh | any idea when the 160 gig ipods will be supported? |
| 15:46:57 | webguest48 | quick question . . . do i create a folder called doom in .rockbox and put the wads in there? |
| 15:47:16 | ilovegamestah | ah ok |
| 15:47:32 | ilovegamestah | so i can just download the stuff with the theme to maake it work? |
| 15:48:13 | ilovegamestah | he patches |
| 15:48:14 | ilovegamestah | the |
| 15:49:03 | linuxstb | oosh: New ipod = new hardware = new port, and there is no-one working on it. |
| 15:49:24 | oosh | awesome, cheers |
| 15:49:33 | oosh | i might do it this weekend |
| 15:49:43 | PaulJam | you either need to build it yourself with the patches, or you can download an unsupported build which already includes these patches. look in the unsupported builds section in the forum |
| 15:49:43 | linuxstb | I look forward to your patches. |
| 15:50:02 | oosh | :) |
| 15:50:07 | linuxstb | ;) |
| 15:50:47 | linuxstb | oosh: Seriously - no sign of it being ported in the forseeable future. Look for different hardware if you want to use Rockbox. |
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| 15:52:19 | oosh | yup, understood. thanks dude |
| 15:52:38 | oosh | i'll just grab an 80... don't actually have an ipod, just want more storage |
| 15:53:18 | linuxstb | Make sure it's the old 80GB video ipod... |
| 15:53:31 | LinusN | and not the "classic" |
| 15:53:55 | oosh | oh? troulbesome I presume |
| 15:54:25 | linuxstb | Both the 80GB and 160GB ipod classics are troublesome. Rockbox works fine on the older "video ipods". |
| 15:55:00 | oosh | thanks for the headsup, i'll hunt down the video |
| 15:55:01 | ilovegamestah | how do i install patches |
| 15:56:23 | linuxstb | ilovegamestah: Patches are changes to the Rockbox source code. You apply those changes to the source code and compile your own version of Rockbox. See http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers for information about compiling Rockbox and working with patches. |
| 15:58:21 | ilovegamestah | http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/05/jblackglass-rockbox-themes-ipod-video.html |
| 15:58:25 | ilovegamestah | so say i wanted to install that |
| 15:58:31 | ilovegamestah | what would it require? |
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| 16:01:04 | Zagor | we to get cache flushing working. putting usb buffers in iram is a big waste. |
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| 16:02:01 | linuxstb | Didn't one of MrH's recent documents describe that? |
| 16:02:29 | Zagor | maybe. i'll admit I didn't read them all very thoroughly. |
| 16:03:03 | n1s | Zagor: iirc jhMikeS has uncached ram access working |
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| 16:03:26 | Zagor | excellent! |
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| 16:09:12 | wedgeV | i just built a custom bootloader for my ipod, anyone can tell me how to install it? |
| 16:09:38 | linuxstb | "ipodpatcher -a bootloader-ipodname.ipod" |
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| 16:11:59 | wedgeV | thanks |
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| 16:13:27 | ambeok | Quick question: is iPod nano 2th gen (such as MA497LL 8Gb black) supported? |
| 16:13:36 | newb | n1s: hello. Have you seen my remark about the upper limit for the for loop in the midi plugin? |
| 16:13:43 | mpeccorini | ambeok: nope |
| 16:13:53 | n1s | newb: no |
| 16:13:54 | ambeok | ok, will it ever be? |
| 16:14:12 | mpeccorini | ambeok: it's not impossible, but it has proven very dificult |
| 16:14:23 | ambeok | thanks! |
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| 16:14:41 | newb | n1s: that it may be calculated on each loop iteration (but the compiler might optimize this away) |
| 16:15:17 | newb | n1s: I have not checked whether the compiler really does it |
| 16:15:34 | n1s | newb: care to explain a bit more what you have in mind? |
| 16:17:44 | ilovegamestah | what is a .wps file? |
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| 16:18:31 | LinusN | ilovegamestah: it's a file that describes how the While Playing Screen should look like |
| 16:18:34 | LinusN | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking |
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| 16:19:53 | newb | n1s: in a for loop, an expression is used for the upper bound (BUF_SIZE/...) −− don't remember exactly. I suggested to calculate the upper bound before entering the loop and use the var as the upper bound. |
| 16:20:20 | linuxstb | newb: You mean a loop of the form: for (i=0;i<(BUF_SIZE/...);i++) { } |
| 16:20:34 | n1s | newb: aha, I'm pretty sure gcc optimizes that |
| 16:20:36 | newb | linuxstb: yes. |
| 16:20:44 | linuxstb | That's optimisation 101... |
| 16:21:03 | n1s | anyway I can test if it makes a difference, thanks |
| 16:21:33 | newb | linuxstb: if you're sure then it's ok. I just don't know what gcc does regarding this |
| 16:21:54 | newb | n1s: just look at the generated asm code |
| 16:22:02 | linuxstb | I'm just assuming - you're right to question it, but it's so common, and appears everywhere in every C program I've ever seen... |
| 16:22:04 | amiconn | n1s: You can never be sure what gcc optimizes. Sometimes it does clever things, sometimes it's just braindead |
| 16:22:28 | n1s | amiconn: very true |
| 16:22:38 | newb | n1s: BTW: I managed to hang my H120 while playing MIDI the other day. Had to use paper clip. |
| 16:23:03 | n1s | what di you do to hang it? |
| 16:23:09 | n1s | s/di/did |
| 16:23:48 | newb | n1s: I can't remember exactly. I'd provide more details if I did :-/ |
| 16:24:27 | amiconn | And the fact that gcc optimizes a specific construction on x86 doesn't mean it optimizes the same thing for other architectures |
| 16:24:32 | n1s | newb: did it hang when you pressed a button? |
| 16:25:03 | newb | n1s: how is midi supposed to work? If the file can't be played at 100% (too complicated, too many channels, etc.), should it play at a slower speed? Or play at proper speed but with instruments not synchronized? |
| 16:25:16 | newb | n1s: I think yes, but not sure |
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| 16:25:57 | n1s | newb: if it can't keep up it will not fill the buffer in time and will play the last buffer again, which it calls a "buffer miss" |
| 16:27:29 | newb | n1s: and how does manifestate audibly? |
| 16:27:40 | newb | *does it |
| 16:28:18 | n1s | newb: it will replay about 0.4 seconds of audio |
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| 16:28:28 | n1s | it is very easy to hear |
| 16:29:13 | ilovegamestah | how do i know if i have a 64Mb g5 or a standard g5 |
| 16:29:16 | ilovegamestah | ipod |
| 16:29:45 | scorche|w | what is the storage capacity of your ipod? |
| 16:29:56 | ilovegamestah | 30GB |
| 16:29:58 | newb | n1s: since I have an example where a tone is played much longer than it should. And another example where instruments are not synchronized. Both play well on PC |
| 16:30:09 | scorche|w | then it is not 64MB |
| 16:30:23 | ilovegamestah | oh ok cheers |
| 16:30:27 | XavierGr | ping: Linus |
| 16:30:49 | XavierGr | bah I meant Linus: ping |
| 16:30:50 | n1s | newb when it misses buffers messages will be printed on the display too, but that sounds like a regular bug :-) |
| 16:31:17 | delYsid | Could someone please review http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/7704?getfile=15065 and add comments to P#7704 if you find anything incorrect with this patch? |
| 16:31:30 | LinusN | XavierGr: better use "LinusN" |
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| 16:31:49 | XavierGr | LinusN: You have an H110 right? |
| 16:31:52 | LinusN | yes |
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| 16:33:29 | XavierGr | LinusN: Well I was hoping to get the flashable bootloader on it, and I asked Slasheri about it, if I understand correctly in order to enable flashing for H110 we need to enable iriver_flash plugin and define HAVE_EEPROM and HAVE_FLASH (or something like that) |
| 16:33:47 | XavierGr | will you be able to test a firmware file after I get this clear with Slasheri |
| 16:34:02 | LinusN | sure |
| 16:34:04 | XavierGr | I would do it but I don't think I will be able to unbrick it if something goes wron |
| 16:34:34 | XavierGr | ok thanks I will speak to him again to see if there is something more on it |
| 16:35:48 | XavierGr | then if all goes allright it would be good to see another H1xx bootloader released with the flashing procedure officialy supported |
| 16:36:02 | XavierGr | (on fwpatcher) |
| 16:36:03 | LinusN | would be nice, yes |
| 16:36:09 | PaulJam | n1s: are you interested in a midi that plays too fast at the start in rb, but plays fine on the pc? |
| 16:36:28 | n1s | PaulJam: sure |
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| 16:36:33 | LinusN | it's about time to release new bootloaders |
| 16:36:46 | PaulJam | n1s: http://www.dreamtheater.net/midi/surrcomp.mid |
| 16:36:55 | LinusN | but that won't happen for at least 2 more weeks |
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| 16:37:58 | newb | LinusN: all platforms? |
| 16:38:37 | LinusN | newb: h1xx and h3xx |
| 16:39:07 | newb | LinusN: is there a place to read about the new features? wiki? |
| 16:39:31 | LinusN | newb: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot |
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| 16:40:55 | newb | LinusN: I'm asking since I'm perfectly well with the current bootloader. And updating is a risk. |
| 16:41:04 | newb | Ah, he's left! |
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| 16:48:10 | ilovegamestah | how can i make it so that when i got to my databse it show up like the original ipod firmware instead of showing the original file names |
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| 16:48:21 | ilovegamestah | like it reads the id3 tags |
| 16:48:56 | linuxstb | The database does display the id3 tags. What exactly are you doing? |
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| 16:55:13 | ilovegamestah | http://pijulius.blogspot.com/2006/05/jblackglass-rockbox-themes-ipod-video.html |
| 16:55:31 | ilovegamestah | how come with this it doesnt have the cool icons until you get into the now playing windows |
| 16:56:36 | n1s | ilovegamestah: what do you mean, the screenshots of that theme shows no icons in the menu |
| 16:56:46 | ilovegamestah | liek the battery bar and such |
| 16:56:48 | ilovegamestah | at the top |
| 16:56:59 | ilovegamestah | my battery bar isnt like that either |
| 16:57:07 | ilovegamestah | its right up in the left hand corner |
| 16:57:18 | n1s | ilovegamestah: that requires some unsupported build, we don't support unsupported builds here, go ask pijulius |
| 16:57:22 | ilovegamestah | see the battery bar in the now playing window |
| 16:57:29 | ilovegamestah | ah ok |
| 16:57:34 | PaulJam | it just isn't possible to modify the statusbar in the menus and browsers |
| 16:57:38 | ilovegamestah | any good themes for supported builds |
| 16:57:51 | ilovegamestah | that you know of |
| 16:57:58 | ilovegamestah | with that sleek kinda look |
| 16:58:19 | ilovegamestah | not the basic grey backgroud, block text like the defualt |
| 17:00 |
| 17:00:06 | ilovegamestah | the basic ipod firware theme is nice and sleek |
| 17:01:31 | ilovegamestah | tell me what theme do you use |
| 17:01:38 | ilovegamestah | just so i can have a look at it |
| 17:03:09 | GodEater_ | why do people who install RB on their ipods straight away want to turn it BACK into something that looks like the OF?!?! |
| 17:03:16 | GodEater_ | if you like it that much, don't install Rockbox!! |
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| 17:05:01 | PaulJam | propably they dislike the OF because of the lacking features and nod because of the look |
| 17:06:31 | Klevi | Does anyone know if updateing the original Sansa c200 firware will take out the Rockbox bootloader? |
| 17:06:36 | linuxstb | ilovegamestah: Have you looked at the rockbox-themes.org website? |
| 17:07:14 | linuxstb | Klevi: Yes, it will. The Rockbox bootloader takes the place of the Sansa firmware in the firmware partition. So you'll just need to rerun sansapatcher after upgrading. |
| 17:08:20 | Klevi | Your sure ill be able to re-run it? |
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| 17:11:04 | linuxstb | No... Which version are you upgrading to? (maybe someone else here can confirm that Rockbox works with it). |
| 17:12:11 | Klevi | Im not sure.. i just found some Sansa Firmware Upgrade from the main site, however, since im not at home.. I cant run the program to find out. |
| 17:12:23 | Klevi | My school blocks allot of things being run |
| 17:14:09 | pixelma | I know that low_light and me for example run different firmwares (mine's rather old 1.00.4F) and his is the latest recommended 1.01.00, I think - he had to implement slightly different routines to make rebooting into the of from running Rockbox work) |
| 17:14:41 | pixelma | Klevi: the sansa of tells you its version in the system menu IIRC |
| 17:15:59 | pixelma | the only restriction I know off is that the versions 1.00.5 and 6 disable msc mode so you should avoid those |
| 17:16:16 | Klevi | I see. Thanks |
| 17:18:17 | Klevi | For some reason I have problems connecting the USB when theres a Mirco SD card inserted, by the way |
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| 17:21:54 | Klevi | Sorry about that |
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| 17:33:53 | ilovegamestah | can i make it so that it doesnt take me like 50 scrolls of the scroll wheel to get the volume down or up |
| 17:34:00 | ilovegamestah | like the original firmware |
| 17:35:41 | scorche|w | well, the OF has far fewer notches on the stick |
| 17:36:28 | ilovegamestah | yeah |
| 17:36:38 | * | pondlife whistles and wonders if someone will commit http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7738 |
| 17:36:41 | ilovegamestah | the scroll wheel settings dont seem to make a difference for me |
| 17:36:48 | ilovegamestah | like the scrolling size |
| 17:36:58 | ilovegamestah | it seems the same even after i put it all the way up |
| 17:37:27 | n1s | ilovegamestah: those aren't scroll wheel settings |
| 17:37:28 | pondlife | You might be referring to the scrolling text settings. |
| 17:37:41 | pondlife | Which are nothing to do with scrollwheels. |
| 17:38:12 | ilovegamestah | ah ok |
| 17:38:19 | pondlife | I've heard that patch 7738 improves the scrollwheel on iPods though... GodEater? |
| 17:38:21 | ilovegamestah | is there anyway to adjust the sesitivity of the scroll wheel |
| 17:38:32 | ilovegamestah | ah ok |
| 17:39:03 | delYsid | Is there a way to get a minimum volume setting on poweron. If I accidentally turn volume down very low before power off, I effectively lock myself out of rockbox since I need voice to navigate the menus. |
| 17:39:28 | ilovegamestah | how does voive actually work |
| 17:39:34 | ilovegamestah | do you need a microphone |
| 17:39:36 | ilovegamestah | or what |
| 17:39:39 | ilovegamestah | im new to this stuff |
| 17:39:58 | n1s | ilovegamestah: take a look in the manual |
| 17:40:43 | n1s | delYsid: there is a way to set certain settings on boot, don't remember how you do it though... |
| 17:41:00 | pondlife | delYsid: Yes, set up a config file named fixed.cfg in your .rockbox directory and it'll be applied on boot (IIRC) |
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| 17:41:33 | delYsid | thanks, will try. |
| 17:42:04 | wizzard | I installed rockbox on my IPOD and really like it; I do have a question though - can I just format the IPOD to get rid of all the garbage and then install rockbox? |
| 17:42:38 | n1s | wizzard: why not just delete the garbage? |
| 17:42:52 | wizzard | will that break anything if I delete everything except .rockbox? |
| 17:43:13 | n1s | wizzard: it will not break anything rockbox cares about |
| 17:43:30 | n1s | as long as you don't delete the hidden partition |
| 17:43:32 | delYsid | heh |
| 17:43:40 | wizzard | k |
| 17:43:53 | wizzard | thx |
| 17:45:00 | ilovegamestah | what theme you guys like best |
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| 17:45:07 | ilovegamestah | i need a nice one with album art |
| 17:45:21 | pondlife | Rockbox doesn't do album art |
| 17:45:34 | pondlife | Not without an unsupported patch. |
| 17:45:44 | ilovegamestah | and you guys dont support that right? |
| 17:45:54 | pondlife | No. |
| 17:46:00 | ilovegamestah | it would be a nice feature if it nativley supported that |
| 17:46:05 | ilovegamestah | though |
| 17:46:07 | pondlife | We are planning it |
| 17:46:16 | ilovegamestah | so you code for it do you? |
| 17:46:22 | pondlife | A little |
| 17:46:25 | ilovegamestah | ah ok\ |
| 17:46:27 | pondlife | A very little |
| 17:46:30 | ilovegamestah | hehehe |
| 17:46:45 | pondlife | The current album art patch isn't very efficient in it's use of memory. |
| 17:46:59 | ilovegamestah | ah ok |
| 17:47:01 | ilovegamestah | can you install custom fonts? |
| 17:47:06 | pondlife | Yes |
| 17:47:07 | ilovegamestah | say like ipodwizard |
| 17:47:11 | pondlife | No idea |
| 17:47:36 | ilovegamestah | how do i get a windows font to a .fnt file |
| 17:47:46 | pondlife | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CreateFonts might help |
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| 17:48:00 | ilovegamestah | ok cheers mate |
| 17:48:44 | pondlife | To be honest I've found the font pack gives the best results anyway.. make sure you've got it from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxExtras#Fonts |
| 17:48:56 | ilovegamestah | yep ive got one of those however |
| 17:49:03 | ilovegamestah | the fonts kinda look plain |
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| 17:49:15 | ilovegamestah | something like a smaller version of the original ipod font would be nice |
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| 17:49:31 | pondlife | Well, converted fonts aren't always that clear, in my limited experience |
| 17:49:36 | ilovegamestah | ah ok |
| 17:49:38 | ilovegamestah | i see |
| 17:49:44 | pondlife | Try it though |
| 17:49:53 | PaulJam | ilovegamestah: aren't the nimbus fonts similar to the ipod font? |
| 17:50:18 | ilovegamestah | thats what im using now |
| 17:50:21 | ilovegamestah | kinda |
| 17:50:41 | ilovegamestah | not exactly |
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| 17:51:10 | ilovegamestah | another nice feature in the next builds would be the abilty to change the menu battery bars and stuff like that |
| 17:51:33 | ilovegamestah | if they could be changed i would be in love with this software :), not that i arent already |
| 17:53:01 | n1s | ilovegamestah: patches are welcome ;-) |
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| 17:54:24 | pondlife | Hmm anyone managed to build a SAPI voice under Cygwin recently? |
| 17:54:35 | pondlife | "Use of uninitialized value in substitution (s///) at /home/Steve/rockbox/tools/voice.pl line 96." |
| 17:55:06 | pondlife | Looks like I may need to re-install SAPI. |
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| 18:01:01 | GodEater_ | if you will insist on using this dodgy OS of yours.... |
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| 18:04:41 | pondlife | Nope, it's not the OS, or SAPI... :( |
| 18:07:49 | pixelma | I was able to build a SAPI5 voice under cygwin on September 22th - had a bit of trouble when I chose a different voice in a build directory with a different voice file already present, a 'make clean' fixed that. Haven't tried since then though |
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| 18:13:08 | pondlife | pixelma: Seems to be ok with MS Mary, but doesn't like LH Michael... both are SAPI5 AFAIK |
| 18:13:17 | ilovegamestah | does this have support for videos and poscasts? |
| 18:13:28 | ilovegamestah | like the origibal ipod |
| 18:14:04 | ilovegamestah | formware |
| 18:14:04 | krazykit | ilovegamestah, read the manual about video support, and podcasts are just normal music files |
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| 18:14:20 | ilovegamestah | nah like video podcasts i mean sorry |
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| 18:14:57 | krazykit | if you convert them to mpeg2 like the documentation says. regardless, you can easily boot into the original firmware to watch them there if you want to use itunes to sync. |
| 18:14:58 | pondlife | Hmm, reinstalled MS Reader and now it works... |
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| 18:18:59 | welly | hi guys |
| 18:19:08 | welly | I can't get rockbox installed for love nor money |
| 18:19:20 | welly | i just tried with the rbutil |
| 18:19:36 | ilovegamestah | so basically i just use the standard ipod firmware for videos and video podcasts |
| 18:19:56 | ilovegamestah | it would be easier right |
| 18:19:57 | welly | and when it boots up, it reports 'can't load rockbox.ipod' |
| 18:21:36 | welly | this is on an ipod 80gb |
| 18:22:09 | krazykit | ilovegamestah, for video related stuff, yes, the original firmware is generally preferable on the ipod. |
| 18:22:16 | pixelma | welly: sounds like you missed the step about installing the firmware... |
| 18:22:27 | welly | after formating as fat32, i chose the installation tab, clicked on install the bootloader, install rockbox |
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| 18:22:33 | welly | pixelma: hmm ok hold on, will check that |
| 18:22:44 | Bam2550 | Hello |
| 18:23:02 | krazykit | welly, you formatted fat32 using itunes? |
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| 18:23:18 | welly | krazykit: no, using mtools |
| 18:23:46 | Bam2550 | What do they mean by "releases"? |
| 18:23:51 | welly | ok, am starting again (using rbutil again!) |
| 18:23:52 | krazykit | you're running linux, then, welly? |
| 18:23:56 | welly | krazykit: os x |
| 18:24:06 | krazykit | ah. what instructions did you follow? |
| 18:24:19 | welly | krazykit: this one: http://download.rockbox.org/manual/rockbox-ipodvideo/rockbox-buildch2.html#x4-60002 |
| 18:24:27 | pixelma | hmm... there was something about mtools and especially the 80GB models... |
| 18:24:39 | welly | pixelma: yeah, saw that and i've taken that into account |
| 18:25:08 | welly | maybe i should try the manual installation |
| 18:25:10 | welly | i'll try that now in fact |
| 18:25:50 | pixelma | welly: did you have a look here http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodConversionToFAT32 ? |
| 18:26:29 | welly | pixelma: yep, done that and it's formatted. it's at the installation stage i look to be having a problem. i'm going to go through the manual installation instructions and give that a go |
| 18:26:40 | welly | just reformatting now |
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| 18:31:44 | Bam2550 | Whats the difference between a current build and a release? |
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| 18:33:19 | krazykit | Bam2550, the last release was 2.5. unless you're using one of those players and need something stable, use a current release |
| 18:33:26 | krazykit | er, current build |
| 18:34:07 | Bam2550 | Yeah but what is the difference? |
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| 18:37:28 | krazykit | Bam2550, 2.5 is rather old and only supports a few players. the current build has all the latest features and such. if you really want more, read this outline: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/MajorChanges |
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| 18:38:40 | Bam2550 | Well i know its old and stuff. But why dont they make the current build into releases? |
| 18:39:07 | scorche|w | because the current build is not release ready |
| 18:39:20 | Bam2550 | What does release ready mean? no bugs, ect? |
| 18:39:23 | scorche|w | (among other reasons...) |
| 18:39:37 | Crash91 | No USb support on Sansa for example |
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| 18:39:54 | Crash91 | a release should be able to replace a FW |
| 18:40:11 | Crash91 | which rockbox isnt able to due to several reasons... |
| 18:40:14 | Bam2550 | k |
| 18:42:26 | welly | sweet.. it's installed now |
| 18:43:37 | Bam2550 | You know when RockBox starts up with that picture? that says RockBox ect. Is there a way to change that to match the theme |
| 18:43:37 | Bam2550 | ? |
| 18:44:11 | Chronon | Sure, you just have to edit the correct bitmap in the sources and compile your own build |
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| 18:44:47 | welly | I have a file on my ipod called ipodControl. Any ideas what this is? |
| 18:45:16 | Chronon | welly, a folder you mean? |
| 18:45:37 | Bam2550 | Chronon, do you have any idea what bitmap it is? or maybe what folder it is in? |
| 18:45:42 | welly | Chronon: oh it could be yeah |
| 18:45:55 | Chronon | welly, it contains resources used by the Apple firmware |
| 18:46:25 | welly | Chronon: best to keep it then? should I want to go back to the apple firmware |
| 18:46:59 | Bam2550 | umm |
| 18:47:00 | Chronon | Bam2550, there's a bitmap folder that contains the splash screen image. I forget the exact path at the moment. But it's not too hard to find if you check out the source tree. |
| 18:47:05 | Bam2550 | welly: that has your music on it |
| 18:47:10 | Bam2550 | Welly: im pretty sure |
| 18:47:18 | welly | Bam2550: ok, well i've got no music on this at all at the moment |
| 18:47:23 | krazykit | Bam2550, i think it's apps/bitmaps/native, or soemthing to that effect |
| 18:47:34 | Chronon | krazykit, that sounds right |
| 18:47:35 | krazykit | welly, ipodcontrol holds your music IF you sync via itunes |
| 18:47:44 | welly | krazykit: ok cool |
| 18:48:32 | Chronon | bbl |
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| 19:03:38 | Crash91 | people...can anyone help me with setting up cygwin/svn in windows |
| 19:03:56 | Tanuva | svn: tortoisesvn |
| 19:05:12 | Crash91 | ok so i install cygwin+tortoise svn and im good to go? |
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| 19:06:05 | bertrik | you can also install subversion as part of cygwin installation, and use both cygwin subversion and tortoise |
| 19:06:24 | Crash91 | ok thanks |
| 19:07:55 | Crash91 | OMG! |
| 19:08:14 | Tanuva | oh, you believe in god? |
| 19:08:15 | Crash91 | microsoft has a private ROAD |
| 19:08:22 | Crash91 | |
| 19:08:23 | Crash91 | Microsoft Corporation |
| 19:08:23 | Crash91 | One Microsoft Way |
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| 19:08:31 | Crash91 | Redmond... |
| 19:08:38 | Tanuva | didnt you know that? |
| 19:08:53 | Crash91 | i knew it was in redmond...didnt know about theyre own street! |
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| 19:09:04 | Diamondiceman200 | Hi |
| 19:09:30 | Crash91 | hi |
| 19:09:32 | Diamondiceman200 | I wonder if rockbox will work on the new iPod Touch! |
| 19:09:33 | Diamondiceman200 | hi Crash91 |
| 19:09:37 | Tanuva | many big companies have own roads |
| 19:09:40 | Diamondiceman200 | I have the 60gb Video |
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| 19:10:03 | Tanuva | Diamondiceman200: it doesnt yet |
| 19:10:13 | Diamondiceman200 | lol i know, was just saying |
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| 19:10:24 | Tanuva | okay... ^^ |
| 19:10:28 | Diamondiceman200 | I would be keen to put Rockbox on my iPod if the recording function was working |
| 19:10:41 | Diamondiceman200 | and if it didn't stutter when usin the equaliser |
| 19:10:47 | Crash91 | many people have asked...the ipod touch requires a huge amount of drivers |
| 19:10:57 | Crash91 | youll need touch screen drivers... |
| 19:11:27 | Crash91 | and rockbox isnt really adapted to touch screen...i mean how many buttons does the damn thing have |
| 19:11:30 | Crash91 | one? |
| 19:11:44 | Tanuva | yes |
| 19:11:46 | Tanuva | for main menu |
| 19:12:08 | Crash91 | -.- apple and their style..everyone is brainwashed honestly... |
| 19:12:10 | n1s | Crash91: buttons and touchscreen are small problems compared to the encryption and totally undocumented SOC |
| 19:12:36 | Crash91 | n1s:true... |
| 19:12:48 | Tanuva | soc? |
| 19:13:00 | n1s | System-On-a-Chip |
| 19:13:15 | Crash91 | anyway....we would have to redesign the rockbox UI if we even want it to do basic stuff |
| 19:13:17 | Tanuva | aha |
| 19:13:50 | n1s | also btw there is a port being developed for the mrobe 500 which has a touchscreen |
| 19:14:11 | Crash91 | oo |
| 19:14:32 | Crash91 | how is it gonna be used...and im confident it has more than ONE button.. |
| 19:15:15 | Tanuva | one could do many things with such touch device, but implementing it alternatively to the current interface would be hard imho |
| 19:15:34 | Diamondiceman200 | but the iPod Touch is much too sexy to put down. I held one today |
| 19:16:03 | * | Crash91 concurs with Tanuva |
| 19:16:29 | Crash91 | Diamondiceman200: Well is it your friends? |
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| 19:16:46 | bgmrk | hello hello |
| 19:16:51 | Crash91 | Diamondiceman200: i suggest looking at the scratches on the screen after a month... |
| 19:17:00 | Crash91 | hi hi |
| 19:17:21 | bgmrk | so i installed this thing called rockbox |
| 19:17:23 | bgmrk | got it all working |
| 19:17:35 | bgmrk | nething i can add to it? |
| 19:18:02 | Crash91 | what do you mean add? |
| 19:18:05 | Crash91 | like themes? |
| 19:18:45 | bgmrk | a theme adds? just a new gui? |
| 19:20:07 | Crash91 | well looks better... |
| 19:20:17 | bgmrk | kk |
| 19:20:25 | Tanuva | not a "new" gui, but another theme for the existing one |
| 19:20:29 | Crash91 | rockbox-themes.org |
| 19:20:32 | bgmrk | kk |
| 19:21:34 | Crash91 | guys...im installing cygwin....what should i select to download |
| 19:21:58 | bgmrk | these themes only apply to music playing through rockbox? |
| 19:22:18 | Crash91 | no |
| 19:22:24 | Crash91 | you can change the font and icons... |
| 19:22:43 | bgmrk | ok |
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| 19:24:10 | Crash91 | guys...im installing cygwin....what should i select to download |
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| 19:26:29 | Tanuva | Crash91: build-related tools would be useful - gcc, make, autotools maybe |
| 19:26:42 | * | markun sends greetings from New York |
| 19:26:50 | Tanuva | (though I havent built under windows) |
| 19:27:08 | * | Tanuva greets markun from Buxtehude (GER) |
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| 19:27:56 | petur | markun: extra holiday after gsoc summit? |
| 19:28:20 | Crash91 | how do i decrypt the newer sansa firmware? 1.03.07P... |
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| 19:32:20 | Domonoky | crash, please read a bit in the wiki.. those cygwin questions are all already answered in the wiki.. |
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| 19:32:51 | markun | petur: indeed :) |
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| 19:39:31 | pixelma | markun: turned out that you all could have met [IDC]Dragon last weekend... (in case you haven't read this night's log yet) |
| 19:41:14 | scorche|w | markun: you should send me some pics so i can put them up on scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/gsoc ...i will be putting some pics i find around the net of us up there too |
| 19:41:36 | * | scorche|w wasnt happy that he missed the dragon =/ |
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| 19:42:31 | markun | scorche|w: I'll send them when I get back |
| 19:43:16 | markun | pixelma: didn't read that yet :( |
| 19:43:20 | Crash91 | can anyone please tell me how to install some packages i require for cygwin (i didnt install them the first time around) |
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| 19:43:36 | rasher | Crash91: re-run setup.exe |
| 19:43:53 | Crash91 | rasher:thank you |
| 19:46:27 | Nico_P | scorche|w: your photos don't load :( |
| 19:46:35 | troxor | does anyone have any tips for 'updating' a patch to work with another build? i.e., I'm trying to get the album art patch to apply to svn trunk, but my meager attempts at hacking the patch ranges has proven unsuccessful so far. |
| 19:47:16 | troxor | is there usually anything besides manually copy/pasting the changes and re-diffing that the mighty original patch makers do to streamline this? |
| 19:47:27 | scorche|w | Nico_P: they do here....they are just of our aux-in cable :) |
| 19:47:32 | Nico_P | troxor: best is to apply the patch and then manually apply the rej files |
| 19:47:53 | troxor | Nico_P: oh yeah, that won't be hard- thanks! |
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| 19:48:07 | Nico_P | troxor: or to svn up to the rev the patch was made for and then svn up to the current |
| 19:48:34 | Nico_P | that can be easier because svn up will do more work for you than patch and will mark the conflicts for you |
| 19:49:37 | Nico_P | (when I say more work I mean better merging work, so less rejects/conflicts) |
| 19:50:16 | Nico_P | scorche|w: it's strange, the index page loads fine but the pics just don't load |
| 19:51:09 | troxor | Nico_P: oh nifty- that's even nicer |
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| 19:52:48 | amiconn | Nico_P: Really? I would expect that if a patch fails with current svn, I would get conflicts in exactly the same places with your method -> same amount of fixing |
| 19:53:12 | ilovegamestah | how come most themes have customised battery bars ect in the now playing window but not on the main menu |
| 19:53:19 | Nico_P | amiconn: no, svn merges a bit better... I experieced it with the langv2 patch |
| 19:53:29 | amiconn | Strange... |
| 19:53:36 | Nico_P | it was unsyncable with the rejs |
| 19:54:08 | bgmrk | i've seeen people asking questions about gba games...whats the best gba emulator to use? |
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| 19:54:15 | scorche|w | Nico_P: that is a bit strange...as i said, they load fine here which is on my work computer |
| 19:54:32 | Nico_P | scorche|w: I'm probably too far away from your server |
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| 20:06:41 | Lars_G | Hi all. |
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| 20:07:15 | Lars_G | Question, what are the red and yellow i've seen mentioned in the svn commits as of late? |
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| 20:07:59 | josh04 | Hey |
| 20:08:49 | josh04 | I compiled from svn last night, and now no themes apart from the default ones work. Is this intentional? I couldn't see any mention of it on the forums. |
| 20:09:04 | rasher | Lars_G: Colors in the build table (http://build.rockbox.org/dev.cgi) indicating failure or warnings during builds. The fact that they're used as commit messages is a mistake if you ask me |
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| 20:09:10 | Nico_P | amiconn: what might've you missed ? |
| 20:09:53 | amiconn | [19:46:27] <Nico_P> scorche|w: your photos don't load :( <== I didn't notice an url for those? |
| 20:10:16 | Nico_P | [19:41] <scorche|w> markun: you should send me some pics so i can put them up on scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/gsoc ...i will be putting some pics i find around the net of us up there too |
| 20:12:08 | amiconn | Ah, hmm |
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| 20:12:35 | amiconn | Neither a http:// prefix nor staring with www. - hence the URL grabber didn't mark it as an url |
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| 20:13:07 | Nico_P | same here, not very practical :/ |
| 20:14:53 | amiconn | The pictures load for me, btw |
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| 20:15:50 | amiconn | If text files load via http but larger files don't, it's most often a problem with path mtu discovery (a black hole) |
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| 20:21:37 | josh04 | ^^^ - and I compiled with the album art patch. Which is probably crucial, now that I think about it. |
| 20:21:53 | krazykit | you probably need bmpresize as well |
| 20:22:19 | krazykit | many of the AA themes seem to require both |
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| 20:26:39 | Lars_G | ah ok |
| 20:26:39 | Lars_G | rasher: yes, it's kind of vague |
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| 20:27:25 | rasher | The commit message should be a description of what's changed with the code, really. "Ooops" or "Fix yellow" doesn't really tell anything when looking back, 2 months from now |
| 20:31:12 | amiconn | You could check previous commits (by svn revision) |
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| 20:33:57 | rasher | amiconn: this still doesn't help me figure out what exactly the fix does (it isn't always an obvious typo or such) |
| 20:34:19 | amiconn | I agree it could be better... |
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| 20:38:11 | rasher | Well it's a minor point. Just something I'd been noticing |
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| 20:46:13 | Nico_P | rasher: doesn't the diff speak for itself most of the time ? |
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| 20:47:07 | rasher | Sometimes it does, but still it just seems like a bad practice |
| 20:47:16 | Nico_P | I do agree |
| 20:48:05 | Nico_P | damn, pondlife is never here when I have good news to give him |
| 20:50:03 | * | n1s wants good news too :-) |
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| 20:50:32 | Nico_P | n1s: seeking now really works in my MoB branch |
| 20:50:40 | Nico_P | tested against amarok on the same file |
| 20:50:53 | Nico_P | I do see a 10 sec difference sometimes though |
| 20:51:07 | n1s | Nico_P: wow, that must be a major milestone :-D |
| 20:51:30 | n1s | so what's left except for loads of testing now? |
| 20:51:35 | Nico_P | n1s: seeking in the buffer isn't, but seeking with prior rebuffering is |
| 20:52:13 | Nico_P | n1s: codec change... also somehow my MPC files only play the first couple of seconds before sikkipng to the next one |
| 20:52:33 | Nico_P | or skipping |
| 20:52:38 | linuxstb | Nico_P: Is your playback.c any clearer than the existing one? |
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| 20:52:54 | n1s | Nico_P: sounds good :-) keep up the good work |
| 20:53:15 | Nico_P | linuxstb: I don't really know but I assume it is... most of the buffering code is now removed. the basic structure is still the same though |
| 20:55:20 | Nico_P | linuxstb: you can see the diff between my branch and a few revs old SVN here: http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox.git?a=treediff;h=mob;hp=master;hb=mob;hpb=master |
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| 20:56:41 | linuxstb | Nico_P: "TYPE_ID3" ? ;) |
| 20:57:15 | Nico_P | linuxstb: it holds a struct mp3entry... not my fault :p |
| 20:57:36 | Nico_P | maybe TYPE_META would be better though |
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| 20:58:37 | Nico_P | linuxstb: btw, maybe you can help me about the seeking... is a 10 secs difference expected on a ~1h long seek in MP3 ? |
| 20:58:53 | Nico_P | difference between rockbox and amarok |
| 20:58:57 | linuxstb | It wouldn't surprise me, but I don't use mp3s. |
| 20:59:44 | rasher | Nico_P: which one is correct? |
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| 21:01:18 | Nico_P | rasher: I suppose amarok is correct and my code is less precise :) |
| 21:01:39 | rasher | You never know. Would be annoying chasing a bug that ends up being in Amarok |
| 21:02:18 | Nico_P | yeah, I won't spend too much tim on it but I'll at least look at how the SVN code does it... I don't use conf_preseek yet |
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| 21:18:02 | Nico_P | linuxstb: do you know where I can find test tracks of various formats ? |
| 21:18:48 | linuxstb | mplayer has some, let me google... |
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| 21:19:12 | n1s | http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/ |
| 21:19:21 | * | linuxstb slaps n1s for being faster |
| 21:19:28 | n1s | :-P |
| 21:20:21 | Nico_P | thanks :) |
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| 21:21:25 | Nico_P | MPC files behaves strangely... for most of them I only get the first couple seconds, but there are some (at least one) that play correctly... could that be related to me not stripping th tags ? |
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| 21:56:25 | Nico_P | well codec transitions seem to work quite alright considering it's the first time I try |
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| 22:01:23 | Shadowrazor | hi |
| 22:01:44 | bertrik | hi |
| 22:01:48 | Shadowrazor | I have a problem with myipod 1st generation |
| 22:02:03 | Shadowrazor | i've been using rockbox since a year and a half |
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| 22:02:28 | Shadowrazor | but now rockbox is constantly crashing after a wihle |
| 22:02:50 | Shadowrazor | i formatted the drive but that didnt helped me |
| 22:03:27 | Shadowrazor | is my ipod wore out? |
| 22:04:05 | Llorean | Rockbox hasn't worked on the 1st generation iPod for a year and a half. |
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| 22:04:35 | Llorean | Support for 1st and 2nd generation iPods were added only recently. |
| 22:04:52 | Shadowrazor | but what is the difference then between a build of a year and a half ago and a build that was made recently |
| 22:05:04 | Shadowrazor | ? |
| 22:05:08 | Llorean | Lots and lots and lots and lots of things |
| 22:05:20 | Shadowrazor | o srry i meant a ipod nano 1st gen |
| 22:05:35 | Llorean | Ah, you're probably experiencing the same problem many Nano owners are. |
| 22:05:43 | Llorean | Unfortunately nobody has solved what exactly the problem is yet. |
| 22:05:47 | Shadowrazor | :( |
| 22:05:58 | Shadowrazor | where can i find info about this problem? |
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| 22:06:55 | Llorean | http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/7510 |
| 22:07:15 | Shadowrazor | thanks |
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| 22:25:58 | Klevi | does anyone know the button mappings of Rockboy on the Sansa c200? |
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| 22:27:19 | Klevi | Howdy Pixelma, would you know the button mapping of Rockboy on our lovely Sansa? and or how to modify some settings on it so games play better/ |
| 22:27:28 | Klevi | *? |
| 22:28:00 | pixelma | haven't tried rockboy so far... |
| 22:28:29 | Klevi | its slow so far, choppy audio, and NONE of the buttons do anything |
| 22:28:40 | Llorean | Klevi: Have you tried assigning buttons in the menu? |
| 22:28:53 | Llorean | Does the c200 have a hold switch? |
| 22:28:59 | Klevi | I cant access any menu while in game |
| 22:29:02 | pixelma | yes |
| 22:29:04 | Klevi | Yes, but its not on |
| 22:29:25 | Llorean | Try flipping it on and off |
| 22:29:28 | Llorean | See if that brings up a menu |
| 22:29:55 | Klevi | No, it doesnt. |
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| 22:30:42 | pixelma | humm... I don't see any definitions for that keypad in the .c file... |
| 22:30:53 | Klevi | lol |
| 22:31:28 | Klevi | good thing im nerdy enough to play the legend of Zelda on my mp3 player |
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| 22:31:47 | Klevi | Is there a way to change Frameskip settings and or resolution? |
| 22:32:16 | pixelma | might be my fault... |
| 22:32:38 | Crash91 | Klevi: youre not the only zelda fan here... |
| 22:32:52 | Klevi | hehe |
| 22:33:06 | pixelma | Klevi: IIRC there are such settings in the menu... |
| 22:33:15 | Klevi | pixelma, how do I set them, where are you getting these c files from anyway..? |
| 22:33:29 | Klevi | and ... stupid question im sure, what does IIRC mean |
| 22:33:40 | pixelma | if I remember correctly |
| 22:33:54 | Bagder | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcTalk |
| 22:34:27 | Klevi | lol... thanks =) |
| 22:34:51 | pixelma | Klevi: you can't just set them, that needs a change in the source code |
| 22:35:20 | Llorean | pixelma: Well, it needs defaults. |
| 22:35:24 | Llorean | Rockboy features configurable keys |
| 22:35:31 | Klevi | is the framework setup for keys to be put it? |
| 22:35:33 | Llorean | But it's not much good if it doesn't at least boot with a key that gets you into the menu |
| 22:35:37 | Klevi | *in* |
| 22:35:46 | pixelma | yes but to do that you need a way to get to the menu first |
| 22:35:57 | Llorean | :) |
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| 22:36:33 | pixelma | I wonder why it even compiled without warnings at all |
| 22:36:57 | Klevi | the same reason that my radio doesnt like to work with rockbox, no one knows. |
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| 22:39:11 | Klevi | If my logic prevails then, you have a way to map keys from the source code directly, but no way for the user of the game to get to a menu and set them? |
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| 22:44:47 | ashes | i have US firmware, an a iriver h340. im english canadian. which of the supported firmware versions would be most suitable for me? |
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| 22:47:15 | Domonoky | Klevi: no, rockboy has user changeable buttons.. but it needs a default keymap.. and as the c200 port is very new.. :-) |
| 22:47:27 | Klevi | I see. |
| 22:47:41 | pixelma | Klevi: I'll have a look, hopefully an easy fix. Completely unrelated - did you find out what version your original firmware is? |
| 22:47:52 | Klevi | Im new, Im surprised people arent biting my head off =D |
| 22:48:06 | Klevi | oh, uh one second, I forgot to look |
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| 22:48:57 | Bagder | Klevi: we're waiting for you to lower your guard first, then we smack ;-P |
| 22:49:10 | Klevi | VERSION 01.01.00p |
| 22:49:21 | Klevi | lol, Badger |
| 22:50:51 | pixelma | interesting, I thought that's what low_light is running too (though I don't know what the "p" means and if that's important) |
| 22:51:59 | Klevi | he has the same OF as me, why is my radio giving me problems? |
| 22:52:03 | Nico_P | Bagder: nice blog post about USB :) |
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| 22:52:39 | Bagder | thanks |
| 22:52:47 | * | petur wonders why Zagor didn't offer to mentor ac |
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| 22:54:07 | Bagder | well, then was then and now is now I guess |
| 22:54:28 | petur | ashes: any h300 version, but installing the bootloader will remove DRM from the OF for ever... |
| 22:54:33 | Zagor | petur: you mean for gsoc? or now? |
| 22:54:39 | petur | gsoc |
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| 22:55:03 | petur | right now you have just taken over ;) |
| 22:55:03 | Zagor | I simply didn't have the time |
| 22:55:40 | Zagor | well I haven't actually produced any working code yet... :) |
| 22:55:50 | Zagor | or released, anyway |
| 22:55:52 | Bagder | ... and ac has vanished again |
| 22:56:11 | petur | he said he would... school stuff |
| 22:56:16 | Bagder | ok |
| 22:56:25 | ashes | ok |
| 22:56:43 | petur | but he didn't post all the code he said he had |
| 22:56:49 | ashes | is there an alternative to running fwpatcher.exe under wine? |
| 22:56:57 | rasher | ashes: rbutil |
| 22:57:03 | ashes | k |
| 22:57:04 | rasher | ashes: Rockbox Utility, I should say |
| 22:58:04 | ashes | and, im getting a new battery tommorrow. my current battery dies after about 2 minutes. should i wait until i install the new battery before installing rockbox, or is there no difference? |
| 22:58:58 | rasher | That doesn't matter |
| 22:58:59 | amiconn | Whoah, the rockboy event code is one big mess... |
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| 23:00:49 | amiconn | ...and it looks like rockboy won't work atm on the following targets where it's compiled for: iPod 1st, 2nd, 3rd gen, Mini 1st gen, probably iFP7xx, and Sansa c200 |
| 23:01:27 | Klevi | ..Roms emulate on the C200 |
| 23:01:37 | Klevi | Why wouldnt it? |
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| 23:01:51 | amiconn | No button actions mapped |
| 23:02:10 | Klevi | oh I thought you meant that it literally just wont work at all |
| 23:02:19 | amiconn | Another problem for playability (not emulation itself) on c200 might be the display resolution |
| 23:02:32 | Klevi | Yeah, it is really bad xD |
| 23:02:48 | amiconn | Gameboy is 160*144, while c200 is only 132*80 - quite heavy downscaling |
| 23:02:54 | Klevi | I was wondering if theres a way to wide screen the display to take up the whole screen? |
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| 23:03:40 | amiconn | That didn't stop us to have an experimental rockboy for archos - at only 112*64, with very few fps due to its slow cpu |
| 23:04:06 | Klevi | I noticed the sansa is prettty slow on framerate too |
| 23:04:43 | Klevi | that doesnt make too much sense, though, isnt DOOM heavier on a processor than a gameboy game? |
| 23:04:54 | amiconn | The c200 has a weird LCD controller hookup that *is* slow - it's in fact surprising that mpeg video runs as nice as it does now |
| 23:05:11 | Klevi | you can play the video on Mpeg player now/ |
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| 23:05:59 | Bagder | gcc 4.2.2 is out |
| 23:06:06 | Bagder | anyone seen if it fixes the warnings? |
| 23:06:16 | n1s | too bad there's no changelog :-/ |
| 23:06:29 | amiconn | n1s: There must be a reason why... |
| 23:06:30 | Bagder | storebror has it now, so I guess we'll see soon enough |
| 23:06:42 | amiconn | Bagder: Debian unstable? |
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| 23:06:48 | * | amiconn checks his box |
| 23:06:49 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:07:04 | pixelma | ok, Mario works, it's a bit tiny but it's playable I'd say and a "simple" rom like that runs quite well |
| 23:07:32 | Llorean | Klevi: Logically you'd think Doom would require more, but remember that Rockboy isn't just running the games, it's emulating a full set of hardware, whereas Doom is compiled as native code. |
| 23:07:56 | Klevi | mm true. |
| 23:08:28 | * | amiconn upgrades |
| 23:08:30 | Bagder | nah, warnings remain |
| 23:08:36 | Klevi | pixelma, you can play it? |
| 23:08:38 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:08:44 | Klevi | btw, I need that rom >> lol |
| 23:09:39 | amiconn | Bagder: I really wonder what's up with those warnings - the pointers are cast to exactly what the function wants |
| 23:09:50 | Bagder | yes, I've checked it out as well |
| 23:09:57 | amiconn | Even casting to void* doesn't get rid of them |
| 23:10:03 | Bagder | really weird how they managed to do a regression on that |
| 23:10:27 | amiconn | ...but passing NULL cast to the proper pointer format silences them (of course the code won't work then...) |
| 23:10:45 | amiconn | It almost looks like the cast is basically ignored |
| 23:11:00 | Bagder | yeps |
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| 23:11:56 | * | amiconn wonders what would happen when a rockbox build would be triggered while a build server is halfway through a dist-upgrade |
| 23:12:08 | Bagder | :-) |
| 23:12:45 | Nico_P | how come the warnings only appear on some builds and never the same ? different GCC versions ? |
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| 23:13:02 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:13:07 | Bagder | gcc 4.2.x apparently |
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| 23:13:42 | pixelma | amiconn: shall I try? ;) |
| 23:14:04 | amiconn | Too late... |
| 23:15:52 | * | obo ponders doing a apt-get install gcc/experimental :) |
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| 23:19:29 | preglow | obo: any luck with piezo? |
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| 23:21:31 | obo | not really, I still can't get a nice click out of it without the timer |
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| 23:34:08 | ashes | mm |
| 23:34:52 | ashes | the rockbox utility doesn't want to use the US firmware, because it's not installed, i think. it's saying 'couldn't detect firmware type' |
| 23:34:58 | ashes | erm |
| 23:35:06 | ashes | doesn't want to install the EU firmware |
| 23:37:38 | n1s | ashes: it can not even know which firmware version you have on your player |
| 23:37:59 | n1s | it should work with EU, whihc bersion are you trying to patch? |
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| 23:38:45 | ashes | i have the H300_V130(eu).zip file, which i want to install over the US version |
| 23:39:17 | n1s | so you unzipped that and pointed rbutil to the hex file? |
| 23:39:27 | ashes | ah |
| 23:39:34 | ashes | i pointed it at the zip |
| 23:39:46 | ashes | sorry |
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| 23:40:24 | zajacattack | hey, how's the work on e200rpatcher? |
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| 23:41:53 | bgmrk | hey |
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| 23:42:02 | petur | ho |
| 23:42:06 | Bagder | zajacattack: slow it seems |
| 23:42:13 | bgmrk | so....i used rock box a long time ago |
| 23:42:35 | bgmrk | and i forget how u plug ur ipod in well in rockbox but still be able to use it |
| 23:42:45 | Nico_P | Bagder: seen my commit for the fd limit on sim ? |
| 23:42:51 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:42:55 | Nico_P | or commitS should I say |
| 23:43:09 | Nico_P | Bagder: nothing to wrong with the change ? |
| 23:43:17 | Nico_P | s/to/too |
| 23:43:27 | Bagder | the only minor nit I could think of is that it duplicates the define instead of using the same one, but If figure that might not be too easily done |
| 23:43:40 | Nico_P | which define ? |
| 23:43:46 | Bagder | the fd limit |
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| 23:44:01 | Bagder | or did I get that wrong? |
| 23:44:04 | Nico_P | ah yes I thought the same but then saw MAX_PATH was duplicated the same |
| 23:44:17 | Nico_P | and I didn't find a smarter way |
| 23:44:30 | Bagder | right |
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| 23:52:56 | ashes | im getting 'could not copy' error, when installing the boot loader |
| 23:53:24 | ashes | it said it installed correctly, so i rebooted the iriver, and saw the US version was still installed |
| 23:53:38 | ashes | so i retried, and now it fails to reinstall |
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| 23:54:24 | ddalton | What variable holds the elapsed time in the wps? |
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| 23:56:28 | zajacattack | hey, how do you fix the "bulk write error" in e200tool? |
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