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| 00:00:21 | bgmrk | what are the buttons u hold down to still use rockbox with it plugged into ur comp? |
| 00:00:53 | zajacattack | i think you hold down select while plugging it in |
| 00:01:13 | bgmrk | i'll give it a try |
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| 00:01:16 | PaulJam__ | could also be menu |
| 00:01:24 | bgmrk | lol |
| 00:01:42 | bgmrk | wasn't select |
| 00:01:55 | zajacattack | can someone answer my original question? |
| 00:03:15 | bgmrk | menu it was..ty |
| 00:03:39 | Llorean | zajacattack: You should generally ask what player they're using, first. |
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| 00:03:56 | zajacattack | llorean: why? |
| 00:04:07 | Llorean | Because it's different buttons on different players? |
| 00:04:24 | Llorean | It's menu on some, select on others. |
| 00:04:34 | Llorean | And may even be something else on the H300, I'm not sure. |
| 00:04:47 | pixelma | 'mode' on some others |
| 00:04:56 | zajacattack | oh, ok |
| 00:05:19 | zajacattack | but can someone tell me how to fix the "bulk write error" in e200tool? |
| 00:05:24 | PaulJam__ | rec on h300, but i think the plans are to use the hold button |
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| 00:06:23 | Llorean | PaulJam__: I'd use A-B for that one. |
| 00:06:46 | Llorean | It shouldn't be something you can do accidentally. |
| 00:06:48 | PaulJam__ | Llorean: but a-b brings up the quickmenu |
| 00:06:53 | Llorean | PaulJam__: Yes, and? |
| 00:07:01 | Llorean | The quickmenu doesn't do anything on its own without further button presses. |
| 00:07:22 | Llorean | Holding "Menu" on iPods brings up the quickmenu, and it serves the "charge instead of connecting" function when held on iPod. |
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| 00:09:16 | zajacattack | "can someone tell me how to fix the "bulk write error" in e200tool?" still waiting |
| 00:09:54 | Llorean | zajacattack: Please, quit repeating the question. |
| 00:10:09 | Llorean | Two people have entered the room since you last asked it. |
| 00:10:11 | zajacattack | well, no one is responding |
| 00:10:26 | Toadinator | yeah, someone know the answer? |
| 00:10:29 | Llorean | Yes, and asking the question again doesn't magically make people who didn't know before, know now. |
| 00:10:52 | zajacattack | well, no one said anything, so i thought it was just missed by everyone |
| 00:11:03 | Llorean | Do you want all 141 other people to respond "No"? |
| 00:11:27 | Toadinator | of course he doesn't/ |
| 00:11:36 | Klevi | if the chat was jumping off thew wall with replies to toher things, then we mightve, but things are pretty slow at the moment. |
| 00:11:44 | Klevi | *to other |
| 00:12:22 | Toadinator | Does anyone know how far the iPod Nano 2G port is in development? |
| 00:12:28 | Llorean | Toadinator: It's not, at all. |
| 00:12:38 | Llorean | zajacattack: If nobody answers, assume it was read, and nobody knew, and ask again in maybe a half hour. |
| 00:12:54 | Llorean | zajacattack: Don't assume it was ignored or missed and spam the channel by repeating it every five minutes, please. |
| 00:13:00 | Klevi | ..theres a differnce in Ipods with varying hard drive sizes? |
| 00:13:09 | Llorean | Klevi: 2G refers to "2nd Generation" |
| 00:13:15 | Klevi | Ah. |
| 00:13:26 | Klevi | Im used to seeing 2ndG |
| 00:13:31 | Klevi | ;) |
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| 00:14:02 | Llorean | zajacattack: Other options involve posting to the dev mailing list, or creating a post in the appropriate section of the forums, etc. Probably the mailing list is best. |
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| 00:14:54 | Bagder | zajacattack: I'd say it means there was a failure when sending usb data |
| 00:15:12 | Bagder | bulk write is the kind of sending it does |
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| 00:16:35 | Kionon | Ok, I've read the manual and the faq, does installing rockbox allow me to reinstall apple's software later if I need to? |
| 00:16:46 | Toadinator | It's still thre |
| 00:16:50 | Toadinator | *there |
| 00:17:26 | zajacattack | ok |
| 00:17:46 | zajacattack | is it best to just disconnect the sansa and try again later? |
| 00:18:08 | Bagder | your guess is as good as mine |
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| 00:18:24 | Bagder | try later, try another port, try another computer I'd say |
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| 00:19:03 | zajacattack | ok |
| 00:19:05 | zajacattack | thanks |
| 00:19:17 | Bagder | or possibly investigate libusb if you can get more details or try other approaches |
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| 00:21:52 | n1s | Kionon: if you read the manual you should have gotten to the section about uninstalling eventually ;) |
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| 00:26:42 | andruk | is there a rockbox installer for linux (or does the installer run on wine) without having to install ipodlinux? |
| 00:26:57 | Bagder | rbutil |
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| 00:29:12 | ashes | andruk: im doing it now for the first time |
| 00:29:46 | andruk | ty all |
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| 00:29:52 | Bagder | andruk: there's even a manual you could read... |
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| 00:30:30 | andruk | currently doing so. i havent found my answer in the manual yet. |
| 00:30:47 | ashes | get rbutil (qt application), run as root, go to the installation menu and install the bootloader, 'firmware upgrade' the player (with iriver) |
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| 00:31:02 | ashes | after that i get segmentation faults from rbutil |
| 00:31:10 | ashes | when installing rockbox |
| 00:31:14 | andruk | lol, of course as soon as i say that i find what i was looking for... |
| 00:31:24 | ashes | i got the bootloader installed |
| 00:31:29 | ashes | and .rockbox is installed |
| 00:31:34 | ashes | but it's booting iriver |
| 00:32:29 | BigBambi | Couldn't they hve looked Can someone remind me when the latest iPod bootloader required is from (roughly) |
| 00:32:44 | BigBambi | ignore the first few words of that :) |
| 00:33:17 | BigBambi | i.e. roughly how old doesn't work with current builds |
| 00:33:37 | Bagder | the pp bootloader change that requires upgrade was done march 4 |
| 00:33:39 | ashes | and now it doesn't boot on it's own, unless i plug it in and let it boot automatically to iriver's os |
| 00:34:01 | BigBambi | Bagder: thanks |
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| 00:37:09 | ashes | andruk: the rbutil application contains a link for the manual |
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| 00:37:56 | andruk | cool. i found the part in the manual, so i should be good to go. i just have homework to do instead, so itll be awhile before i get to it. :-/ |
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| 00:45:07 | spky | anyone use evilg's fusion? |
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| 00:47:10 | Kionon | Hmm... did my question go through? |
| 00:48:31 | PaulJam | the one about restoring the apple firmware? |
| 00:49:03 | Klevi | Someone mentioned your name awhile ago |
| 00:49:07 | Klevi | Kionon |
| 00:49:13 | Klevi | Ill see if i can find logs of mine |
| 00:49:27 | Kionon | I got disconnected, unfortunately. |
| 00:49:34 | Klevi | I see. |
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| 00:49:50 | Klevi | >.< and I just noticed that since i reinstalled xchat logging got disabled.. |
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| 00:50:23 | pixelma | the channel is logged |
| 00:50:28 | PaulJam | http://www.rockbox.org/irc/ |
| 00:50:39 | Klevi | its updated on the wire? |
| 00:50:44 | * | pixelma prepares for a red delta |
| 00:50:50 | Kionon | I just want to make sure that installing rockbox won't A) preclude the reinstallation of apple's firmware later B) delete my current files from my ipod. |
| 00:52:39 | scorche|w | Kionon: rockbox doesnt mess with apple's firmware and is able to be uninstalled no problem; the installation will only delete files if you reformat |
| 00:52:50 | Kionon | Outstanding. |
| 00:53:44 | PaulJam | but it's always a good idea to have a backup... |
| 00:54:06 | Kionon | I do. |
| 00:54:11 | Kionon | But just in case. |
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| 00:59:51 | Kionon | And I just froze it. :/ |
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| 01:01:05 | Nico_P | wow 35k on sansa :p |
| 01:01:41 | pixelma | the recording code is huge |
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| 01:03:15 | pixelma | that's why the OndioSP still has rombox and the FM doesn't (plus radio of course) :\ |
| 01:03:16 | Reno | hi i got a question i want to kow how i can install the GIFviewer on rockbox? |
| 01:03:38 | krazykit | Reno, you need to compile your own build for that, patching the source |
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| 01:04:36 | parafin|away | Reno, it's not very usable |
| 01:04:50 | pixelma | of course hwcodec recording is a bit different from swcodec recording... |
| 01:04:58 | Kionon | What kind of video can rockbox handle? |
| 01:05:02 | Klevi | mpeg |
| 01:05:11 | Kionon | just mpeg? |
| 01:05:26 | Klevi | I think.. *Is New* |
| 01:05:44 | pixelma | read more in the manual and in the wiki (PluginMpegplayer) |
| 01:06:09 | Reno | um...i don't know how to compile. i read a page i fiound on the wiki about how to compile and i really don't understand it, (actually i'm not really even sure what compile means) sorry. =( |
| 01:06:30 | Klevi | Im learning myself ^.^ |
| 01:06:41 | parafin|away | Reno, what player do you have? |
| 01:06:58 | Reno | ipod video 30gigs 5G. |
| 01:07:09 | parafin|away | you can try my custim build |
| 01:07:32 | Reno | custom build? where can i get it? |
| 01:07:41 | parafin|away | http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=12280.0 |
| 01:08:10 | Reno | so i ccan just download it here roght? |
| 01:08:20 | Reno | i ment right |
| 01:08:25 | Reno | :) |
| 01:08:40 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 01:09:07 | parafin|away | download http://paraf.in/rockbox/rockbox-ipodvideo-32mb.zip and unpack to root dir of player |
| 01:09:17 | Kionon | Oh bah. |
| 01:09:28 | Kionon | I only bought my ipod for video. :/ |
| 01:09:45 | Kionon | Okay, thanks for the help, guys. Rockbox installed correctly. |
| 01:10:17 | Reno | kk thank you. let me try it! :) |
| 01:10:19 | PaulJam | Kionon: you can still boot into the apple firmware to watch videos |
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| 01:12:10 | Reno | ok i got it, so all i need to do is click on the image and it will load right? |
| 01:12:54 | Kionon | How do I do that, Paul? |
| 01:13:11 | Reno | since it's a GIF image when the image loads will it move like its supposed to or will it stay still? |
| 01:13:25 | JdGordon | wow! 35k in recording! |
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| 01:14:47 | parafin|away | Reno, it won't move |
| 01:15:01 | PaulJam | Kionon: i think by enabling hold while booting. shoult be explained in the manual |
| 01:15:08 | parafin|away | you'll be lucky if it loads at least normal image as expected |
| 01:15:17 | parafin|away | as i said it's not very usefull |
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| 01:16:42 | Kionon | Yep, thanks |
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| 01:17:10 | Klevi | Welcome back Pixelma |
| 01:18:01 | Reno | is it possible to make a viewer that makes thos types of images move? |
| 01:18:18 | Kionon | Once rockbox incorporates most forms of video (h264/x264, XviD, DivX, etc), I'll probably be more interested in it. |
| 01:18:36 | Llorean | Kionon: Why? |
| 01:18:54 | Kionon | Because I bought my video ipod specifically for video. |
| 01:18:56 | Kionon | Not for audio. |
| 01:18:58 | Llorean | Rockbox only needs one good video codec. As you have to pre-scale the videos in advance anyway, there's no good reason not to transcode them to the supported format. |
| 01:19:11 | Kionon | Not strictly true. |
| 01:19:17 | Llorean | Oh? |
| 01:19:35 | Kionon | I'm a video editor, those of us in my community use a variety of standards. |
| 01:19:42 | * | amiconn wonders why someone would buy a dap with video add-on instead of a real pmp for video |
| 01:19:57 | Kionon | Xvid/AVI and h264/MP4 being the most common, but not the only one. |
| 01:20:08 | Llorean | Kionon: Yes, and those videos will need to at least be resized for use. |
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| 01:20:25 | Kionon | Really? |
| 01:20:34 | Llorean | Kionon: If they're not 320x240 in advance, then yes |
| 01:20:38 | Kionon | I just figured some program could just display "fullscreen" |
| 01:20:40 | Llorean | And very few videos start at 320x240 |
| 01:20:42 | Klevi | Kionon *unrelated* Is there another player besides VLC that supports FLV file types? |
| 01:20:47 | amiconn | And afaiu h264 is completely out of question for the cpu power of any rockbox target, *perhaps* except the gigabeat S |
| 01:20:50 | Llorean | Klevi: ffdshow |
| 01:20:55 | Llorean | So, anything in windows, just about. |
| 01:20:57 | Kionon | ff- |
| 01:21:00 | Kionon | Yeah, that. |
| 01:21:09 | Klevi | *nods* thanks |
| 01:21:15 | Kionon | Get amvapp, and you'll be good. |
| 01:21:19 | Llorean | Well, ffmpeg, so "Xbox media center, any linux player that incorporates it, etc" |
| 01:21:28 | Kionon | ffmpeg is eh |
| 01:21:31 | Llorean | Kionon: There's not enough CPU power available to automatically scale videos. |
| 01:21:40 | Kionon | Boo. :/ |
| 01:21:40 | Klevi | Vlc is fine on my desktop, but shoots up my laptops processor, making it heat up to almost burning my leg after awhile |
| 01:22:06 | Kionon | It's just that the transcoding I do now with either third party software or itunes makes it crappy. |
| 01:22:16 | Llorean | Kionon: So, you have to convert them to display resolution in advance. MPEG2 was partially chosen because it'll get better framerates than the other formats. Would you rather 5-10 excellent looking FPS, or 30 "decent" looking FPS? |
| 01:22:25 | Llorean | Not that the ipod video even will get 30 |
| 01:22:33 | Llorean | Since there's no way currently to use the broadcom chip |
| 01:22:35 | * | Isolinear <3 XBMC |
| 01:22:37 | Kionon | 29.97 is fine with me :P |
| 01:22:44 | Kionon | Since that's what I edit in. |
| 01:22:49 | Kionon | I don't need the whole 30. |
| 01:22:55 | Klevi | lol |
| 01:22:55 | Llorean | Kionon: So, you'd choose fluidity over individual frame quality? |
| 01:23:01 | Kionon | Yes, probably. |
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| 01:23:06 | Kionon | Depending on the source. |
| 01:23:13 | Llorean | Then you've just admitted that the mpeg-2 player we use ought to be fine. |
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| 01:23:31 | Llorean | Then again, iPod Video is unlikely to ever have decent video playback in Rockbox anyway. |
| 01:23:41 | Llorean | So it shouldn't be a big concern of you what format we chose, since you probably won't use it. :) |
| 01:24:03 | Kionon | I'm not arguing that. All I'm saying is I wish there was a way that whatever I have on my computer (including skittles at 1024p) would play. >P |
| 01:24:10 | Kionon | As insane as that request may be. |
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| 01:24:38 | Llorean | There is no way. |
| 01:24:44 | spky | anyone use EvilGs Fusion build? |
| 01:24:59 | Llorean | The iPod is a dual core 75mhz processor. |
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| 01:25:05 | spky | if so, what are the requirements for album artwork? |
| 01:25:27 | spky | albumname.bmp in the same folder? |
| 01:25:30 | Kionon | ...75mhz |
| 01:25:30 | Kionon | Oh my. |
| 01:25:33 | Llorean | I've been corrected, 80mhz |
| 01:25:39 | Llorean | Forgot that we finally are running them at spec. |
| 01:25:41 | Kionon | still. |
| 01:25:48 | Llorean | Well, some of them |
| 01:25:48 | Kionon | That's... bad. |
| 01:25:54 | Llorean | Others can in theory go up to I believe 110. |
| 01:26:02 | Llorean | Or maybe it was 100 |
| 01:26:05 | PaulJam | spky: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=AlbumArt |
| 01:26:11 | Reno | i have another qestion or questions. i installed the doom wad file thingy, and it work great but i have a different doom game wad is it possible to switch between both doom games? |
| 01:26:25 | t0m4 | is it possible to install apache on an archos ? |
| 01:26:26 | Llorean | Reno: See the instructions for addons |
| 01:26:37 | Llorean | t0m4: Rockbox isn't Linux. |
| 01:26:56 | t0m4 | k |
| 01:27:02 | Kionon | There is a linux for ipod, I think. |
| 01:27:05 | Reno | my other question is that when i save gameboy roms it wont save? it says data abort? |
| 01:27:23 | Llorean | 's a bug then |
| 01:27:50 | Reno | ok? um...how can i fix that? :) |
| 01:27:56 | Reno | :) |
| 01:28:20 | Reno | a patch or something? |
| 01:28:43 | Reno | cuz...i really don't know how to apply patches. |
| 01:28:44 | Llorean | Well, you'd need to figure out what's going wrong first. |
| 01:28:46 | Reno | :( |
| 01:28:58 | Llorean | If there were simply a patch that fixes the bug, we'd probably already include it. |
| 01:29:18 | Reno | i was just asking... |
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| 01:29:54 | spky | nice |
| 01:29:56 | spky | thanks alot =] |
| 01:31:17 | Reno | what do you mean figure out what the problem is? All I know is that it says "Data abort at O1F852AC (0)" thats it. |
| 01:33:06 | Nico_P | JdGordon: seen my MoB update ? I've made good progres |
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| 01:33:56 | Nico_P | and I have backwards skipping too now, although it fails in some cases for a reason I don't get |
| 01:34:39 | Reno | these are my final 2 questions, what is "Recording" on rockbox used for? If i download some video codecs can i paste them in the codecs directory, and will rockbox play that type of video format? |
| 01:34:56 | Llorean | Recording is used for recording audio from a microphone, and no. |
| 01:35:59 | amiconn | petur: Why didn't you optimize the fd range checks (using an unsigned comparison)? |
| 01:36:03 | * | amiconn likes this trick |
| 01:36:37 | petur | feel free to change |
| 01:36:39 | amiconn | if (fd < 0 || fd > MAX_OPEN_FILES-1) ==> if ((unsigned)fd > MAX_OPEN_FILES-1) |
| 01:36:58 | petur | I just copied from the other checks |
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| 01:37:05 | amiconn | aha, hmm |
| 01:37:07 | Reno | ok thanks for the info and for that custom build! :) |
| 01:37:15 | amiconn | Some potential for green deltas :) |
| 01:37:17 | Reno | :) :) :) :) |
| 01:38:22 | Nico_P | amiconn: casting to unsigned doesn't change the bits, right ? that's why it works ? |
| 01:38:33 | amiconn | yup |
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| 01:39:00 | Nico_P | ok :) at first I thought the cast would give the absolute value |
| 01:39:29 | amiconn | I used this trick for clipping in the lcd drawing routines |
| 01:39:49 | petur | time date calculation of the front page is funny: my commit is 'thursday' while the other ones before that are 'today' :) |
| 01:40:05 | amiconn | Yes, due to the still unfixed 1 hour difference |
| 01:40:42 | * | petur enjoys committing in the future for another 20 minutes |
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| 01:45:32 | GERM | QUESTION: rockbox now supports the c200 line of audio players, could the c100 line easily be ported using the existing c200 firmware? |
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| 01:46:03 | blithe | Does anyone ever find that wallpaper they manually set from their files don't stay when their player is turned on and off? |
| 01:46:06 | krazykit | GERM, if the c100 shares most of the same hardware, yes |
| 01:46:25 | GERM | thanks ill check on the hardware now |
| 01:46:34 | PaulJam | blithe: is the file in the .rockbox/backdrops directory? |
| 01:46:50 | blithe | PaulJam: Nope, in my 'PICTURES' directory. |
| 01:46:52 | jhMikeS | petur: I can think of a possibility why someone might experience lulls in flushing still. scheduler-related of course (mutexes in FAT driver). tbf anyway soon. |
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| 01:47:11 | amiconn | petur: Wow, it seems gcc already knows that trick, at least for SH |
| 01:47:13 | PaulJam | blithe: then copy it to the backdrops dir. |
| 01:47:15 | blithe | The wallpaper can be set fine, but gets reset to the underlying color on restart. |
| 01:48:06 | * | jhMikeS at least has nicely working dual-core test plugins on H10 |
| 01:48:28 | amiconn | blithe: You need to put it in /.rockbox/backdrops to make it permanent. This is intended behaviour |
| 01:48:40 | blithe | Odd, why would that be intended? |
| 01:48:43 | blithe | Just curious. |
| 01:48:58 | Spiritsoulx | So I just installed RB on my friend's Sansa c2xx, and a few days later, the right output of the headphone jack goes dead. Anyone know why? |
| 01:49:10 | Spiritsoulx | No, wait, left output. >_> |
| 01:49:42 | GERM | mine went dead a while back in both it probally just crapped out on you |
| 01:49:44 | krazykit | Spiritsoulx, bad hardware, most likely, but try using the latest build, and then clear the settings, to be sure. also check in the OF first |
| 01:49:52 | GERM | i use it for storage now... |
| 01:50:00 | krazykit | if it happens in rockbox and the OF, it's hardware. |
| 01:50:08 | amiconn | Partially it is a leftover from the old settings system. But it also allows testing backdrops without problems. As long as you *dont* put it into the place for permanent backdrop, you can even make your display completely unreadable with a backdrop. Reboot, and it's gone |
| 01:50:10 | Spiritsoulx | =/ |
| 01:50:22 | Spiritsoulx | That's what I thought. |
| 01:50:29 | blithe | amiconn: Ah, got it. |
| 01:50:39 | blithe | I can live with that. Just didn't know I had to do that. |
| 01:50:40 | blithe | Thanks! |
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| 01:52:11 | * | amiconn checks the other archs |
| 01:52:56 | Spiritsoulx | How do you get into diag mode again? |
| 01:53:55 | scorche | http://www.google.com/search?q=ipod+diagnostic+mode |
| 01:54:18 | Spiritsoulx | I meant for the Sansa Cxx. |
| 01:55:01 | chris_mt | hey can anybody help me apply a patch to my cvs tree? |
| 01:55:08 | chris_mt | I can't get it to work |
| 01:55:41 | scorche | what diagnostic mode?...are you referring to either recovery or manufactuing mode? |
| 01:56:04 | scorche | chris_mt: what error are you ancountering? (and we use svn) |
| 01:56:04 | Spiritsoulx | There's a diag mode on Sansa Cxx, isn't there? |
| 01:56:11 | chris_mt | sorry, I mean svn. |
| 01:56:13 | scorche | if there is, i havent heard of it |
| 01:56:22 | chris_mt | just a sec, let me copy/paste it... |
| 01:57:26 | chris_mt | can't find file to patch at input line 5 |
| 01:57:41 | chris_mt | I'm in the root and it's looking for apps/plugins/viewers.config |
| 01:57:56 | chris_mt | this is the patch: http://labb.contactor.se/tracker/task/6884?pagenum=1 |
| 01:58:05 | chris_mt | starting with the first one... |
| 01:58:31 | scorche | first one? |
| 01:58:45 | scorche | the updates are further and further down |
| 01:58:55 | chris_mt | the .patch at the top of the list. or do I use the latest one? |
| 01:58:59 | chris_mt | be right back... |
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| 02:02:57 | amiconn | Really interesting... |
| 02:03:10 | GERM | having trobles finding specs for c100/150 will the rockbox c200 firmware work at all (noob q) |
| 02:03:11 | * | amiconn just didn't expect that gcc knows this trick |
| 02:04:14 | Llorean | GERM: No, Rockbox only runs on the players it specifically says it runs on |
| 02:04:30 | GERM | k :P |
| 02:04:50 | GERM | anyone know where to find spec for sansa players |
| 02:05:27 | Llorean | The easiest method is probably google. Second easiest is to open up the player, identify the chips, then google. |
| 02:05:52 | GERM | ty |
| 02:05:55 | GERM | toodles |
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| 02:10:34 | pixelma | didn't Soap say he had a C100 and wanted to look into it? |
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| 02:14:22 | Soap | Yes he did. |
| 02:14:33 | * | linuxstb passes Soap a screwdriver |
| 02:14:46 | Soap | no screws, the case is sealed tighter than Fort Knox. |
| 02:14:56 | * | linuxstb passes Soap a hammer |
| 02:15:01 | Soap | I'm out of town again, but debating physical destruction of the case. |
| 02:15:25 | Soap | and no, GERM, (who appears to have left) I can not find any specs. |
| 02:15:34 | linuxstb | So we've no idea what CPU is inside? |
| 02:15:40 | Soap | not yet |
| 02:15:44 | linuxstb | Are there any firmware updates? |
| 02:16:09 | Soap | I've read about some on the Anything But Ipod forums, but haven't use one yet. |
| 02:17:28 | Soap | perfect timing, pixelma. I had /just/ finished reading all the back-logs when you said my name. |
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| 02:20:37 | linuxstb | Ah telechips ;) |
| 02:20:38 | chris_mt | ok, so about that patch... |
| 02:20:59 | Soap | you figured that out already? |
| 02:21:19 | chris_mt | scorche: you still here? |
| 02:21:31 | scorche | yes, but what do you want me specifically for? |
| 02:21:38 | Soap | I had some assumptions, but wasn't going to voice them being ASSumptions. |
| 02:21:53 | chris_mt | any idea what I'm doing wrong applying that patch? I haven't done it before. |
| 02:22:15 | chris_mt | do I take the first one from the thread, or the most recent update? |
| 02:22:16 | * | scorche gets out his crystal ball |
| 02:22:31 | chris_mt | nice... |
| 02:22:36 | Soap | chris_mt, Step back for a second. Why would you not want the most recent update? |
| 02:22:38 | scorche | why would you want to try an dapply an outdated version? |
| 02:23:22 | chris_mt | The plugin files aren't in the SVN tree. So are they incremental, or does the last one contain all changes? |
| 02:23:40 | Soap | chris_mt, I say step back for a second, because I think you are getting overwhelmed, if not spooked. Take it slowly, think about each step, and I do believe between logic and the documentation provided you will find you can do it. |
| 02:24:23 | krazykit | chris_mt, they're not incrementel. that would be masochistic |
| 02:24:38 | chris_mt | I'm not afraid to screw it up - I can just re-checkout. But even the latest .patch file gives me similar errors. |
| 02:24:45 | chris_mt | The paths all appear to be from the root. |
| 02:24:53 | chris_mt | and the files in question are there... |
| 02:25:49 | krazykit | chris_mt, well, maybe not recheckout, but certainly svn revert |
| 02:26:22 | Soap | chris_mt, no need to recheck out. "svn revert -R ." from the root of your svn (usually "rockbox") |
| 02:26:39 | chris_mt | ok. |
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| 02:27:12 | Soap | revert as in "undo all changes" -R as in "recursive in all subdirectories, . as in "start HERE" |
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| 02:27:17 | chris_mt | ok, using tortise SVN gave me some clues... |
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| 02:27:54 | chris_mt | It fetched the correct revision of the file and took me to tortisemerge. Do you have to do that manually when using the command line? |
| 02:28:22 | * | Soap can't speak to the tortise |
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| 02:37:30 | linuxstb | Soap: Looks like the Telechips TCC770 |
| 02:37:53 | Soap | you want it? |
| 02:38:43 | Soap | ;) |
| 02:38:50 | linuxstb | Same as the M200 |
| 02:39:09 | linuxstb | You don't? |
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| 02:41:10 | Soap | Do you think I will be able to do anything productive with it? |
| 02:41:51 | Klevi | Cygwin doesnt detect Either arm-elf-gcc or arm-elf-ld, I tried reinstalling it (downloaded from Rockbox) with no success. Any Ideas? |
| 02:42:11 | Soap | Klevi, it is a PATH issue I assume, step 4 IIRC |
| 02:42:20 | Klevi | Tried that as well. |
| 02:42:34 | Klevi | Maybe I typoed something, though |
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| 02:45:01 | Klevi | Hmm.. even after using the alternate method (typing this in the build directory export PATH=/usr/local/arm-elf/bin:$PATH) I still get the same error when attempting to compile |
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| 03:24:43 | ArchFool | W00t! :) |
| 03:32:22 | ArchFool | 'aloo? Anybody 'ome? Anyone with a Sansa c200? |
| 03:32:49 | scorche | i see 130 users...and no question |
| 03:33:34 | ArchFool | Heh... how do I mount my sansa c200 running rockbox? It connects and auto-mounts when running the native OS, but not rockbox. |
| 03:34:00 | krazykit | you connect in the original firmware, the "native os" |
| 03:34:11 | krazykit | USB is currently not implemented. |
| 03:34:21 | ArchFool | Aahhhh... that explains it. |
| 03:34:25 | ArchFool | For curiosity, why not? |
| 03:34:54 | krazykit | because coding takes time, and the usb stack is still being written |
| 03:35:06 | ArchFool | I just hate having to rebuild the database for the sansa firmware (slow!) and THEN for rockbox! |
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| 03:35:25 | ArchFool | krazy: great.. so it IS being worked on. :) :) Just need to wait. |
| 03:35:33 | * | ArchFool twiddles his three thumbs. |
| 03:35:41 | krazykit | ArchFool, neat tip, if you use a format not supported by the OF, like Vorbis, the OF's refresh will be far faster ;-) |
| 03:35:50 | ArchFool | :] |
| 03:35:54 | Klevi | can someone explain how to remove the radio from the sansa c200s source? |
| 03:36:14 | scorche | Klevi: ifdef out all the radio related code |
| 03:36:24 | Klevi | further explain? |
| 03:36:28 | Klevi | please. |
| 03:36:40 | scorche | well, that is assuming you are saying what i think you are saying with that.. |
| 03:36:45 | maxkelley | no. |
| 03:37:04 | maxkelley | just disable it in the config-c200.h file. |
| 03:37:20 | scorche | which would trigger the ifdefs ;) |
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| 03:37:23 | Klevi | edit it? |
| 03:37:37 | Klevi | How so? |
| 03:37:43 | maxkelley | scorche: yeah, but that makes it sound like you have to edit a billion files. |
| 03:37:56 | scorche | Klevi: a text editor.. |
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| 03:38:24 | * | ArchFool pulls up the text editor on his sansa c200. ;) |
| 03:38:32 | maxkelley | heh, not quite. |
| 03:38:43 | Klevi | I know that much.. i meant exactly what and how doi edit it? |
| 03:39:01 | scorche | comment/uncomment it |
| 03:39:22 | Klevi | with the # symbol, correct? |
| 03:39:27 | scorche | no |
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| 03:39:33 | scorche | that is perl...not C |
| 03:39:50 | scorche | well, other languages too.. |
| 03:39:51 | Klevi | okay, sowhat does perl use |
| 03:40:24 | scorche | i am saying that the hash symbol is the wrong symbol for commenting code in C |
| 03:40:27 | maxkelley | no, what you're editing is C :) |
| 03:40:41 | maxkelley | C comments look like this /* comment */ |
| 03:41:22 | maxkelley | so, at the portion labeled, FM Tuner, put a /* at the beginning of the first line, and a */ at the end of the second. |
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| 03:41:36 | Klevi | *nods* |
| 03:41:38 | Klevi | thanks |
| 03:41:45 | maxkelley | why would you want to comment out radio, though? |
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| 03:42:10 | Klevi | My sansa hangs upon loading rockbox when the radio is enabled |
| 03:42:19 | Klevi | god knows why |
| 03:42:35 | Klevi | the OF can use it fine |
| 03:42:36 | maxkelley | well, you should have told us.. are you latest svn? |
| 03:42:54 | Klevi | which, is the same as low_light's and he has no problem |
| 03:43:02 | Klevi | No, not right now |
| 03:43:06 | Klevi | I will be |
| 03:43:12 | Klevi | though |
| 03:43:16 | maxkelley | are you rather closeish, though? |
| 03:43:32 | Klevi | I tried it, without trying to edit it at alll, and it still didnt work |
| 03:43:40 | scorche | Klevi: let us know if it does that with the current build |
| 03:43:41 | maxkelley | well, you must, because the radio was enabled. |
| 03:43:47 | maxkelley | anyhow, I'm going to bed. |
| 03:43:52 | Klevi | night |
| 03:44:36 | Klevi | I did tell you guys |
| 03:44:43 | Klevi | maybe it was missed. |
| 03:50:20 | Klevi | *testing newest build out now* |
| 03:51:10 | Klevi | uh |
| 03:51:14 | Klevi | doesnt hang |
| 03:51:41 | Klevi | but i get an Undefined Instruction at 01000014c (0) |
| 03:52:00 | Klevi | then it hangs |
| 03:52:10 | Klevi | it used to just stop at the Rockbox logo screen |
| 03:52:50 | Klevi | scorche ^ |
| 03:54:38 | Klevi | <maxkelley> just disable it in the config-c200.h file. <−−−−−−- Where is that file located? |
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| 04:00:40 | ArchFool | |}{| |
| 04:05:15 | Klevi | Nevermind. I found it, started compiling, all is well so far =) |
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| 04:47:27 | JasonF | I have the ipod bootloader thing installed on my ipod already, with the only options set to apple os, disk mode, and sleep. Is it possible (or is there a howto) on how to integrate rockbox with this? |
| 04:48:07 | scorche | it is possible, but that is offtopic here, as that is not our bootloader |
| 04:48:17 | scorche | try #ipodlinux |
| 04:48:52 | JasonF | Well then, question #2... can rockbox loader operate the same way, with options to boot apple os or rockbox on the fly? |
| 04:49:00 | JasonF | I'm basically hoping to do music with apple stuff, and games with rockbox stuff |
| 04:49:29 | scorche | rockbox's bootloader is dualboot by default |
| 04:50:11 | JasonF | *nod* |
| 04:50:14 | JasonF | i'll try that for now then |
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| 04:55:35 | sneh1621 | can someone direct me as to where i can find how to manually install rockbox on my 5G iPod video?? |
| 04:55:44 | Llorean | I'd recommend the manual |
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| 05:10:18 | JasonF | any way to set the apple firmware as the default |
| 05:10:26 | JasonF | so I have to put "hold" on to boot into rockbox? |
| 05:10:47 | scorche | you would have to recompile the bootloader |
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| 05:12:54 | JasonF | thanks scorche |
| 05:12:58 | JasonF | this looks pretty cool |
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| 05:35:17 | ilovegamestah | hi i installed rockbox last night. Everything was working fine. Turned it off and wene to turn it back on today and nothing happens screen just stays blank even when i plug the power in |
| 05:35:20 | ilovegamestah | whats the go here? |
| 05:36:44 | ilovegamestah | ok it just needed to be reset |
| 05:36:52 | ilovegamestah | must have foze or something |
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| 05:47:41 | ilovegamestah | fuck the 5g is slow with rockbox |
| 05:48:23 | scorche | the language isnt needed... |
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| 07:43:47 | blithen | Has anyone heard of the 2nd gen iPod nano firmware being worked on? |
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| 07:48:21 | ddalton | testing |
| 07:48:41 | ddalton | did my message come through? |
| 07:48:45 | blithen | Yeah. |
| 07:49:07 | ddalton | ok thanks I can't seem to svn up |
| 07:49:59 | ddalton | maybe I can now |
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| 07:52:15 | ddalton | Any comments on p7910? |
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| 07:54:03 | ddalton | anyone looked at it? |
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| 08:25:57 | ddalton | what variable should I send to my time function that holds the elapsed time in seconds for the wps? |
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| 08:50:23 | spky | http://img401.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mythemeoy3.jpg |
| 08:50:25 | spky | any input? |
| 08:50:59 | GodEater_ | needs too many patches =/ |
| 08:51:19 | spky | =\ |
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| 09:41:41 | GodEater_ | seriously - someone needs to lock that patching thread and tell DavidRawson to stop wasting our (and his) time. |
| 09:42:23 | ddalton | GodEater_: what pach thred? |
| 09:43:00 | GodEater_ | in the "Getting Started and Compiling" forum |
| 09:43:09 | GodEater_ | the thread is called "Patching" |
| 09:43:35 | ddalton | ok |
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| 09:50:23 | Bagder | wow, he has some minor details left to figure out ;-) |
| 09:50:34 | petur | "I did the stuff that does the thing and it did the install thing" |
| 09:50:49 | petur | ready for GoldenQuotes |
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| 10:02:08 | ddalton | Hey aliask |
| 10:02:17 | aliask | Hello |
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| 10:05:52 | Nico_P | aliask: any news about the S ? |
| 10:08:19 | aliask | Nico_P: Not really, I haven't had much time to spend on it recently. |
| 10:09:15 | GodEater_ | is the S code still in a branch, or has it been merged into trunk ? |
| 10:09:27 | aliask | It's been merged back in |
| 10:09:35 | GodEater_ | sweet |
| 10:11:44 | Nico_P | interestin log I just read (yesterday's for #gigbeat) |
| 10:12:14 | GodEater_ | ooh - doesn't even compile at the moment =/ |
| 10:12:25 | aliask | Really? |
| 10:12:34 | aliask | Bootloader, or normal build? |
| 10:12:59 | GodEater_ | normal |
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| 10:18:09 | aliask | Well, it's an easy enough fix - pcm stuff hasn't been implemented so all those functions should be empty. |
| 10:18:56 | JdGordon | hey Nico_P |
| 10:19:00 | JdGordon | nice work on the mob update :) |
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| 10:25:54 | pondlife | "I put the player in manufacture mode and renamed rockboxpatch.c to BL_SDboardSupport.rom and patched it to my player with e200tool." lol |
| 10:28:28 | petur | rofl |
| 10:28:57 | Bagder | not _quite_ there yet ;-) |
| 10:29:12 | pondlife | At least he didn't use playback.c ;) |
| 10:30:53 | aliask | GodEater_: Last commit should have got it compiling again |
| 10:31:40 | GodEater_ | :) |
| 10:31:50 | pondlife | Nico_P: I'm liking your recent playback.c mods (in your mob git), seems to be simplifying quite nicely now. |
| 10:31:50 | n1s | aliask: what is the current state of the port? waiting for usb? |
| 10:32:33 | * | GodEater_ thinks aliask should update the port info page with details of yesterday's #gigabeat discussion |
| 10:32:59 | n1s | GodEater_ do you have a link to those logs? |
| 10:33:00 | aliask | n1s: Sort of. Even when we have USB support in svn it likely won't work off the bat - we are still only running in the bootloader |
| 10:33:28 | aliask | I'll get to editing the wiki right away |
| 10:33:31 | * | JdGordon wonders what i missed in #gigabeat? |
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| 10:34:36 | GodEater_ | #gigabeat has a log link in the title.... |
| 10:34:55 | n1s | thanks |
| 10:42:07 | J | when usb support is in rockbox would it be possible for the DAP to sync it's clock a'la ntp? (obviously not out of the box, but would it be possible?) |
| 10:42:19 | n1s | GodEater_ hmm that's discouraging news about the brickage... |
| 10:42:21 | GodEater_ | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/AaronE713 <−− needs deleting... |
| 10:43:10 | GodEater_ | n1s: yeah - I'm keen to see if I can get the firmware updater working on linux, but testing it is...not inviting currently |
| 10:43:43 | n1s | is there no known way to recover a bricked unit? |
| 10:43:43 | Bagder | J: everything is possible, but I would guess clock sync to be very low prio in the usb land |
| 10:44:05 | GodEater_ | n1s: that's why I wanted to get hold of toffe, and ask if he'd made progress on the JTAG interface |
| 10:44:22 | GodEater_ | he first posted about it back in March (in the thread), but there's precious little else been said about it |
| 10:44:26 | J | Bagder: thanks. I was unsure as to whether the DAP could request the time signal or the host PC would have to tell the DAP |
| 10:44:37 | aliask | Toffe even suggested that it is possible to boot over the serial port (the imx31 datasheet indicates this also) |
| 10:44:46 | J | Bagder: I don't mind it being a priority, just if it's possible :) |
| 10:44:47 | n1s | GodEater_: ah, yes, what kind of hardware would one need to use that? |
| 10:45:06 | GodEater_ | aliask: but he never posted on whether he found the transmit part of the serial connector did her ? |
| 10:45:09 | GodEater_ | s/her/he |
| 10:45:21 | GodEater_ | n1s: no idea :) |
| 10:45:37 | aliask | GodEater_: The transmit part? |
| 10:46:04 | GodEater_ | aliask: his notes in the thread indicated he got data flowing from the S to his PC, but he couldn't go in the other direction (i.e. issue commands to it) |
| 10:47:19 | GodEater_ | again though, I have no idea if that's the current state of affairs or not - he never mentioned anything more about it |
| 10:48:23 | ddalton | I am on r15074. How do I go down to r15015? |
| 10:49:00 | GodEater_ | svn co -r 15015 |
| 10:49:08 | GodEater_ | I think :) |
| 10:49:15 | aliask | Well, it looks like he's found both tx and rx on the board. Maybe the software running on the S just wasn't listening to what he was outputting to it |
| 10:49:19 | ddalton | ok I will try that. |
| 10:49:42 | GodEater_ | aliask: that's also possible I suppose - but would be unusual behaviour for a WinCE based device |
| 10:49:50 | ddalton | not enough arguments |
| 10:50:11 | GodEater_ | ddalton: you still have to specify which repo you're getting the revision from |
| 10:50:20 | n1s | ddalton: use "up" instead of "co" |
| 10:50:26 | ddalton | I have checked out already |
| 10:50:43 | ddalton | "svn up r15015"? |
| 10:50:43 | GodEater_ | ddalton: then do what n1s says, use "svn up -r 15015" |
| 10:51:33 | GodEater_ | aliask: for example, I have a proper PDA that also uses WinCE, and when you hook the console up on that - you can issue commands to it |
| 10:51:36 | ddalton | it just says at revision 15074 and does nothing. |
| 10:51:47 | GodEater_ | aliask: which is useful for doing rom dumps |
| 10:51:58 | pondlife | ddalton: No space after the r |
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| 10:52:31 | ddalton | still no luck :-( |
| 10:52:44 | petur | GodEater: the WinCE debugger uses that interface too |
| 10:53:00 | petur | the debugger on PC that is |
| 10:53:33 | GodEater_ | ddalton: "man svn" then |
| 10:53:42 | ddalton | ok |
| 10:55:05 | ddalton | I will just check out again at r15015 because can't be bother find it on google. |
| 10:55:13 | ddalton | bothered |
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| 11:00:12 | GodEater_ | svn up -r should work |
| 11:00:29 | ddalton | "svn up -r15015"? |
| 11:00:39 | GodEater_ | well svn help shows a space |
| 11:00:45 | GodEater_ | but I've never used it |
| 11:00:47 | GodEater_ | so I'm not sure |
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| 11:00:56 | * | GodEater_ uses git svn |
| 11:01:17 | Bagder | with or without space doesn't matter |
| 11:01:34 | Bagder | I just tried both ways |
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| 11:04:11 | pondlife | Indeed, I tried both under Cygwin too |
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| 11:08:21 | ddalton | Pondlife: do you use "quilt" with cygwin? |
| 11:08:27 | pondlife | No |
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| 11:09:04 | pondlife | Just patch and svn diff |
| 11:09:38 | ddalton | Apparently it is useful for handling multiple patches. |
| 11:10:02 | ddalton | Pondlife: what exactly did you type? "svn up -R 15015"? |
| 11:10:21 | pondlife | svn up -r15015 |
| 11:10:35 | pondlife | Note lower-case r |
| 11:11:05 | ddalton | Oh sorry didn't pick that up with my screenreader. (Copy and paste is useful) |
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| 11:20:56 | ddalton | n1s: Are you nls? |
| 11:21:06 | ddalton | in the tracker |
| 11:21:27 | GodEater_ | aliask? |
| 11:22:02 | ddalton | oh you are |
| 11:22:20 | ddalton | do you think the buttons should be voiced? (in the alarm screen) |
| 11:22:41 | Klevi | recorder/recording.c: In function 'recording_screen': |
| 11:22:41 | Klevi | recorder/recording.c:1870: error: 'SRCF_FMRADIO_PAUSED' undeclared (first use in |
| 11:22:41 | Klevi | this function) |
| 11:22:41 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK Klevi |
| 11:22:41 | Klevi | recorder/recording.c:1870: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only o |
| 11:22:41 | Klevi | nce |
| 11:22:43 | Klevi | recorder/recording.c:1870: error: for each function it appears in.) |
| 11:22:45 | Klevi | recorder/recording.c:1870: error: 'SRCF_FMRADIO_PLAYING' undeclared (first use i |
| 11:22:47 | Klevi | n this function) |
| 11:22:50 | Klevi | make[1]: *** [/home/owner/rockbox/build/apps/recorder/recording.o] Error 1 |
| 11:22:51 | Klevi | make: *** [build] Error 2 |
| 11:23:01 | petur | Klevi: use pastebin please |
| 11:23:04 | GodEater_ | Klevi: don't do that please |
| 11:23:06 | Klevi | Oh, wow I really have xchat for that right about now. |
| 11:23:14 | Klevi | That wasnt intentional |
| 11:23:35 | Klevi | Sorry.. |
| 11:29:15 | n1s | ddalton: yes i am, and I think voicing those buttons could be helpful, how else should blind users know which button to press (well without looking in the manual) |
| 11:29:49 | n1s | and we display them in the screen so there seems to be a need for it |
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| 11:30:19 | pondlife | The screen and voice UI should always match wherever possible IMHO |
| 11:30:27 | pondlife | Makes support easier if nothing else |
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| 11:34:24 | aliask | GodEater_: ? |
| 11:34:53 | GodEater_ | conf. call |
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| 11:38:47 | ddalton | N1s: 1. How big will the voice file be? 2. Once you know the button presses then won't it just be really anoying? |
| 11:38:50 | ddalton | annoying |
| 11:38:57 | barrywardell | linuxstb: will I just make a tag for the bootloader? no need to add one for sansapatcher? |
| 11:41:06 | barrywardell | linuxstb: also, should I change the version[] in bootloader/main-pp.c to 0.3 or leave it as APPSVERSION |
| 11:41:08 | ddalton | Pondlife: You really think all the button presses should be added to voice. |
| 11:41:09 | n1s | ddalton: I don't feel strongly about it since I don't even have a player that supports alarm wake up but it seemed to cause problems for at least one user anyway I think you are a better judge of whether it's annoying or not than me |
| 11:41:14 | ddalton | That's going to be a big voice file |
| 11:41:39 | pondlife | I just think the UI should be the same whether displayed or spoken |
| 11:42:02 | ddalton | n1s: I think people can read the manual. But I can write up a patch if people want I will ask on the mailing list later Just need to subscribe. |
| 11:42:03 | n1s | ddalton: I mean for _just_ this screen as it is non-standard, so it's just one added clip |
| 11:42:25 | n1s | amd possibly other similar screens like set time and date |
| 11:42:26 | petur | I wouldn't voice buttons, we're not showing keys on the display too... |
| 11:42:40 | n1s | petur: we are, in some places |
| 11:42:44 | ddalton | Yes but it would be annoying when entering that screen (Especially if you use it a lot) and what about other screens like the delete file screen. |
| 11:42:45 | pondlife | Ideally the voicing shouldn't even need special coding, it should come out from the lower-level code |
| 11:42:49 | petur | then remove them ;) |
| 11:42:58 | ddalton | confermation |
| 11:43:35 | petur | those can be voiced because they promt the user for action |
| 11:43:39 | petur | +p |
| 11:44:19 | ddalton | It says "really delete" that's good. But should it say press select to delete stop to cancel |
| 11:44:43 | ddalton | pondlife: what do you mean by "lower-level code" |
| 11:44:46 | pondlife | It should say whatever is displayed, and shouldn't need special coding |
| 11:45:02 | ddalton | how would that work? You need a lang file |
| 11:45:22 | pondlife | The displayed string should already be in a lang file |
| 11:45:57 | ddalton | can |
| 11:46:09 | ddalton | can't you some times have it in a variable? |
| 11:46:20 | ddalton | variable ="something" display the variable |
| 11:46:34 | ddalton | of type char I guess and I have another example hang on |
| 11:46:46 | n1s | pondlife: afaik only splash() works like that automatically |
| 11:47:02 | ddalton | ID2P does that |
| 11:47:39 | ddalton | Pondlife: What about this? gui_syncsplash(HZ*2, "No .rockbox directory"); |
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| 11:48:06 | pondlife | ddalton: That couldn't be voiced or langed... No .rockbox dir = no .lang or .voice file |
| 11:48:07 | JdGordon | you cant voice that splash |
| 11:48:19 | JdGordon | not without TTS anyway |
| 11:48:27 | ddalton | good point |
| 11:48:34 | ddalton | but something else like that? |
| 11:48:34 | JdGordon | inbuilt-TTS that is... having it in a plugin wouldnt work eother |
| 11:48:45 | ddalton | yes |
| 11:49:00 | ddalton | Aliask did you contact the author of espeak? |
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| 11:50:16 | aliask | ddalton: Yes, and he didn't want to change his license |
| 11:50:59 | ddalton | Aliask: So I guess we will just have to go back to an older version of espeak? Or do you have another idea? |
| 11:52:08 | aliask | Well, the other option is to convert rockbox to GPLv3 - but that's a big issue |
| 11:52:36 | n1s | did we ever reach a conclusion on which version we are currently under? |
| 11:52:49 | n1s | or rather are we "or later"? |
| 11:52:49 | ddalton | So we are just going to forget porting espeak to rb? |
| 11:52:51 | ddalton | for now? |
| 11:53:24 | ddalton | n1s: isn't it v2? |
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| 11:54:14 | n1s | ddalton: there were some discussion going on but I don't know if a conclusion was arrived at |
| 11:54:32 | ddalton | n1s: im pretty sure it is v2 |
| 11:55:05 | n1s | but yeah I think we are under v2 but the question is if we are under "v2 or later" or just plain v2 |
| 11:56:20 | ddalton | Line two of /docs/copying says " Version 2, June 1991" |
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| 11:56:28 | * | JdGordon thought we were definatly v2 and most probably v2 or later |
| 11:56:45 | GodEater_ | would anyone care if we (ever) manage to download all the files linked on the S Info page hosting them on the wiki itself ? |
| 11:56:49 | GodEater_ | rapidshare is a PITA |
| 11:56:50 | JdGordon | or we would have no problems with the or later bit as far as imported code is concerened |
| 11:57:14 | * | ddalton Doubts a lot of players could even run espeak |
| 11:57:29 | barrywardell | Bagder: can I send you the new sansapatcher versions for the download server? |
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| 12:00:52 | * | JdGordon wishes Karl would come online with some good news :( |
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| 12:12:45 | GodEater_ | crap - it's impossible to get those files back from rapidshare |
| 12:12:56 | Nico_P | pondlife: thanks :) |
| 12:12:59 | Nico_P | JdGordon: hi |
| 12:13:26 | JdGordon | hey |
| 12:16:27 | Nico_P | in case you didn't see last time, the wiki page report is already outdated... I got backwards skipping |
| 12:17:12 | JdGordon | great |
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| 12:19:00 | Nico_P | GodEater_: I think most of the files hosted on rapidhsare are too big for the wiki |
| 12:19:16 | Nico_P | I can host them on a webspace of mine though |
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| 12:20:48 | Soap | ditto |
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| 12:21:28 | GodEater_ | also me |
| 12:21:35 | GodEater_ | but you'd have to be able to download them in the first place |
| 12:21:37 | GodEater_ | which I can't |
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| 12:22:18 | Nico_P | I've just downloaded the firmware |
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| 12:30:07 | GodEater_ | http://www.geocities.com/ipaq41xx/ <−− interesting WinCE info. Wonder if we can do similar with the Gigabeat S |
| 12:30:16 | PaulJam | just aout of couriosity: would it be possible to adjust the speed ot the RTC chip in the h300? |
| 12:34:18 | LinusN | you mean calibrate it? |
| 12:35:45 | PaulJam | yes |
| 12:36:13 | TMM | GodEater_, yeah! lets port rockbox to winCE :) |
| 12:36:15 | LinusN | no, you can't calibrate it, afaik |
| 12:36:25 | PaulJam | ok, thank you. |
| 12:36:52 | LinusN | the h300 uses the cheap solution for the clock source, so it isn't very accurate |
| 12:37:15 | GodEater_ | TMM: I'm thinking more of using the WinCE bootloader to bootstrap Rockbox :) |
| 12:37:54 | TMM | GodEater_, don't the handhelds.org people have bootloaders for pretty much all ipaqs? |
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| 12:39:08 | GodEater_ | they do |
| 12:39:39 | GodEater_ | brb - work calls :( |
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| 12:53:33 | JdGordon | Bagder: you round? can you delete an account on fs? |
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| 13:57:37 | Nico_P | GodEater_: I've uploaded files to the wiki or my webspace. Now none require rapidshare |
| 13:59:38 | GodEater_ | Nico_P: thank you sir. You're a gentleman, and a scholar. |
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| 14:15:41 | LinusN | JdGordon: which account? Nuri? |
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| 14:23:10 | JdGordon | yeah |
| 14:23:15 | JdGordon | he's stopped though |
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| 14:29:58 | TMM | GodEater_, 'scholar' what kind of compliment is that? |
| 14:30:11 | GodEater_ | a very British one |
| 14:30:30 | leftright | Hi, could a dev please look at implementing Patch 7898, which fixes a Insert bug, and also 7911 which enables one to create a playlist with playlist stopped |
| 14:30:54 | leftright | thanks |
| 14:32:37 | * | leftright wonders who he can prod woth a few beers |
| 14:34:02 | LinusN | :-) |
| 14:34:14 | leftright | aha a taker |
| 14:34:28 | JdGordon | did someone say beer? |
| 14:34:37 | leftright | it works |
| 14:35:13 | * | JdGordon opens those taks |
| 14:35:16 | * | petur has plenty, find something else :p |
| 14:35:26 | JdGordon | was waiting for petur to speak up :D |
| 14:35:52 | leftright | the magic word summons all spirits |
| 14:36:22 | LinusN | leftright: regarding 7898, the current "Insert next" beaviour is the intended one |
| 14:36:41 | LinusN | from the manual: "Add track(s) immediately after current playing track, no matter what else has been inserted." |
| 14:38:17 | leftright | thanks Linus, I will re-verify that behaviour when inserting more than one track |
| 14:38:37 | LinusN | good |
| 14:39:31 | JdGordon | and 7911 is also the intended behaviour.. |
| 14:39:42 | JdGordon | although, im not sure i agree with both of them |
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| 14:42:50 | * | amiconn thinks that neither svn nor the fix in 7898 is correct behaviour |
| 14:42:51 | leftright | there is a change of playlist creating philosophy, so I guess it needs to be discussed, although I like the idea of being able to create a playlist without it starting playback immediately |
| 14:43:12 | TMM | we could import sqlite :) |
| 14:43:12 | amiconn | I would expect 1 6 7 8 9 5 4 2 3 |
| 14:43:24 | LinusN | amiconn: me too, actuallt |
| 14:43:27 | LinusN | acrually |
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| 14:43:34 | leftright | lol |
| 14:43:39 | pixelma | try again ;) |
| 14:43:54 | TMM | no sqlite? :) |
| 14:44:14 | GodEater_ | http://stupidfilter.org/wiki/ <−− implement on the forums please |
| 14:44:34 | * | JdGordon wonders how 5 could be before 4? |
| 14:44:47 | JdGordon | 1 4 7 8 9 5 6 2 3 makes sense to me |
| 14:45:02 | amiconn | Because "insert next" always inserts after the current (1 in this case) |
| 14:45:39 | amiconn | Or is intended to... |
| 14:47:57 | preglow | haha |
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| 14:48:07 | preglow | this ipod guy on flyspray is cracking me up |
| 14:50:10 | JdGordon | im surpised he didnt reopen it.. |
| 14:50:23 | JdGordon | i sure would have if someone did that to me :p |
| 14:50:30 | TMM | how come no 3 hours can go by in this channel without someone mentioning the i word? ;) |
| 14:50:41 | JdGordon | which i word? |
| 14:50:46 | GodEater_ | oh dear |
| 14:50:54 | * | GodEater_ chides JdGordon |
| 14:51:08 | JdGordon | did /me miss something? |
| 14:51:35 | GodEater_ | read preglow's last line ? |
| 14:51:44 | JdGordon | ipod? |
| 14:51:50 | * | GodEater_ claps |
| 14:52:05 | * | JdGordon wonders how we could discuss rockbox without mentioning its biggest target? |
| 14:52:08 | n1s | I would expect the same order as amiconn... |
| 14:52:21 | JdGordon | that order doesnt make sense to me... |
| 14:52:31 | GodEater_ | I also agree with amiconn's ordering |
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| 14:52:53 | JdGordon | must be a northern hemisphere thing then? |
| 14:53:11 | GodEater_ | write it down on a bit of paper JdGordon |
| 14:53:42 | n1s | JdGordon: must be :-) however the order that tasks says is in svn makes no sense at all |
| 14:53:45 | JdGordon | insert next insters after that last thing inserted, and should do it in a block if its a playlist/dir |
| 14:54:04 | GodEater_ | no insert next inserts after what's PLAYING |
| 14:54:19 | GodEater_ | insert inserts after what was inserted last |
| 14:54:26 | n1s | JdGordon: I see insert nex as inserting after the current track and "insert" as inserting after last inserted |
| 14:54:41 | n1s | apparently I agree with godeater too :_) |
| 14:54:42 | JdGordon | oh. misread LinusN's quote from the manual... ok that order makes more sense |
| 14:54:48 | GodEater_ | the only one I don't understand is insert last |
| 14:54:54 | JdGordon | although adding in blocks does make sense if its a dir |
| 14:55:19 | n1s | GodEater_: append to the playlist |
| 14:55:36 | GodEater_ | so why is it not called "Append", since you're not inserting ? :) |
| 14:55:57 | LinusN | GodEater_: good point |
| 14:55:57 | n1s | because of the Queue/Insert terminology perhaps |
| 14:55:57 | LinusN | it should definitely be append |
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| 14:56:15 | GodEater_ | n1s: that terminolody is *clearly* bad, since it's confusing |
| 14:56:21 | GodEater_ | s/d/g |
| 14:56:21 | n1s | what should "queue last" be called then? |
| 14:56:29 | LinusN | "append queued" |
| 14:56:33 | GodEater_ | yep |
| 14:56:34 | LinusN | or something |
| 14:56:48 | n1s | ok, I can live with that :-) |
| 14:57:56 | GodEater_ | are the insert points independent for queue and insert ? |
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| 15:00:32 | preglow | i never remember how the insert stuff works |
| 15:00:40 | preglow | seems kind of unintuitive |
| 15:00:46 | GodEater_ | I never use it myself |
| 15:00:48 | preglow | but then again, it's not the only part of rockbox that is :> |
| 15:01:00 | GodEater_ | hehe |
| 15:01:01 | JdGordon | unfortunatly its not |
| 15:02:47 | JdGordon | what about if one song is being added, we open the playlist viewer with it already selected to be moved around? |
| 15:03:01 | JdGordon | and possibly do that for dirplay/playlist also? |
| 15:04:26 | * | JdGordon wonders if we can get a low-mem version of the playlist viewer going if the plugin buffer cant be stolen |
| 15:06:16 | * | amiconn thinks the insert/queue stuff is pretty intuitive |
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| 15:07:06 | preglow | what's the difference between insert and queue? |
| 15:07:15 | JdGordon | queue removes t after being played |
| 15:07:19 | preglow | why, that's not intuitive at all |
| 15:07:32 | preglow | it's impossible to figure that out from |
| 15:07:36 | preglow | from the menu entries alone |
| 15:07:39 | pixelma | that's the same as a lot other media player do |
| 15:07:42 | preglow | really? |
| 15:07:51 | GodEater_ | yep |
| 15:07:51 | preglow | i guess i just don't use playlists enough, then |
| 15:07:55 | preglow | which is true, since i don't use them |
| 15:07:57 | GodEater_ | but even they don't tell you that |
| 15:08:03 | GodEater_ | you have to work it out on your own |
| 15:08:50 | crwl | is there a way to make one file (or more) come next even if playmode is shuffle? |
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| 15:09:40 | n1s | preglow: I implemented your idea about changin midiplayer to synth one voice to a buffer instead of one sample, it got a bit faster but i now have to memcpy that buffer to the output buffer so that dma will work |
| 15:09:59 | preglow | n1s: and now it's more friendly to asm optimize as well |
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| 15:12:14 | n1s | preglow: I have'n done much with that but the fact that the same voice is several times made it possible to break out some stuff of one the synthing loops |
| 15:13:31 | preglow | n1s: btw, why don't you work directly in the end buffer? |
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| 15:14:11 | n1s | preglow: because end buffer is accessed by dma and on coldfire the dma can't access iram |
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| 15:14:28 | n1s | the pcm_play_data function uses dma |
| 15:14:28 | preglow | n1s: right, i keep forgetting this isn't a codec :) |
| 15:14:51 | preglow | hmm, it can't access dma? i thought the first 64kb could be accessed by dma |
| 15:15:02 | n1s | when it's turned into a codec I'll make sure to fix that |
| 15:15:07 | preglow | you can't |
| 15:15:18 | preglow | when it's a codec, you work directly in iram and let playback.c take care of the rest |
| 15:15:40 | n1s | preglow: well, that's true but 48 of those are used by the core and there is no way to tell the linker where to put the buffer |
| 15:16:21 | preglow | n1s: i wonder if core needs dmaable iram |
| 15:16:31 | n1s | I actually got _one_ build working with a 4K buffer in iram but then i cahnged something small and it wouldn't work anymore |
| 15:16:58 | preglow | could any core devs comment on this? |
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| 15:20:25 | preglow | btw: why don't we support embedded cue sheetS? |
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| 15:21:55 | |Rain| | has anyone else had problems with the tag database rebuilding when it shouldn't, ultimately resulting in duplicate entries for every song? |
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| 15:24:00 | pondlife | |Rain|: Do you have both dircache enabled and database in RAM enabled? |
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| 15:25:47 | LinusN | preglow: we currently map the iram as 64k dma-capable ram followed by 32k non-dma ram, which means that the linker will use dma-capable ram for non-dma stuff |
| 15:26:03 | preglow | LinusN: sure, but we could change that, right? |
| 15:26:13 | LinusN | we could map it the other way, so that the stacks and core data structures end up in non-dma ram |
| 15:26:29 | preglow | does core use any dma on coldfire? |
| 15:27:27 | linuxstb | preglow: I looked at embedded cuesheets (in FLAC), and couldn't decide which of the two standards to support - foobar helpfully both embeds the entire cuesheet as a vorbis comment, and also creates the native FLAC cuesheet metadata structure, with the individual track metadata as vorbis comments. There's a forum thread and/or flyspray task where I discussed this with an interested user. |
| 15:28:20 | LinusN | preglow: the pcm playback is in the core |
| 15:29:12 | JdGordon | linuxstb: isnt our thing to only support the standard? |
| 15:29:19 | LinusN | the entire dsp engine is in the core, isn't it? |
| 15:29:24 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Yes, but which one? ;) |
| 15:29:37 | JdGordon | native FLAC cuesheet metadata structure sounds more standard... |
| 15:29:39 | |Rain| | pondlife: I'm using an e200, which I don't believe has the 'database in RAM' option |
| 15:29:49 | |Rain| | (because it's flash-based) |
| 15:29:50 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 15:30:17 | preglow | linuxstb: yeah, foobar has retarded support for that |
| 15:30:26 | preglow | LinusN: it is |
| 15:30:42 | preglow | linuxstb: i'd use the native flac one |
| 15:31:14 | preglow | LinusN: so, all we use dma for is audio? no ata? |
| 15:31:27 | LinusN | preglow: true |
| 15:31:28 | linuxstb | preglow: So would I, but I seem to recall there being some reason why that wasn't obviously the best thing to do. I forget why though... |
| 15:32:58 | linuxstb | Here's the forum discussion - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=9895.0 |
| 15:33:59 | JdGordon | go with whichever is easier to implement? |
| 15:35:19 | linuxstb | That would be the embedded .cue file - we just use the existing parser and point it to the section of the .flac file with the cuesheet. |
| 15:35:51 | JdGordon | so add that one, then add the other? |
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| 15:36:09 | * | ArchFool says, |}{| |
| 15:36:19 | JdGordon | its 2 faces... |
| 15:36:24 | JdGordon | no a vase... |
| 15:36:31 | ArchFool | Or... an hourglass on its side. :) |
| 15:36:39 | linuxstb | I would prefer not to support multiple ways of doing the same thing - then you get problems when a file has both (such as anything foobar creates...) |
| 15:37:10 | JdGordon | flip a coin then? |
| 15:37:24 | linuxstb | Or not do anything, as I never embed cuesheets... |
| 15:37:34 | TMM | works for me (r) |
| 15:37:37 | preglow | embedding cue sheets is really sweet |
| 15:38:00 | TMM | I always failed to see the point to be honest |
| 15:38:09 | TMM | why not just split the damn file up into tracks? |
| 15:38:12 | LinusN | preglow: well, we do use dma for the lcd on the h300, but it uses regular DRAM |
| 15:38:45 | linuxstb | TMM: I like the idea that anyone can take any audio file, no matter what format, drop it onto a Rockbox player, and play it. |
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| 15:38:51 | preglow | TMM: some people prefer one file to several |
| 15:39:04 | TMM | well, yeah, but I just wondered what the point is |
| 15:39:04 | preglow | TMM: i used to, but i just stopped doing it because if issues like this |
| 15:39:38 | TMM | I'd agree that rockbox should just play whatever you throw at it, if it's not DRM'd :) |
| 15:40:00 | preglow | ahaha |
| 15:40:04 | * | ArchFool tweaks his RockBox settings... I hope this works! |
| 15:40:21 | preglow | it seems foobar's behaviour is to convert the binary flac cuesheet to a cue text file, then store that in vorbis tags |
| 15:40:26 | preglow | sweet god, how bloody redundant |
| 15:40:51 | linuxstb | preglow: Are you playing with foobar now? |
| 15:41:11 | preglow | TMM: also, you need cue sheets to retain sub-indices |
| 15:41:14 | linuxstb | I'm curious to know what it does if you edit a track name... |
| 15:41:14 | preglow | linuxstb: no |
| 15:41:19 | preglow | linuxstb: not even in windows |
| 15:41:46 | linuxstb | ... or give it a file with conflicting cuesheets |
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| 15:42:53 | webguest9975 | Can I record on an iPod 3g? |
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| 15:44:54 | rvvs89_ | webguest9975: Why don't you ask Apple? |
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| 15:46:27 | preglow | linuxstb: bah, sorry i asked, how forgot how tedious this stuff becomes :) |
| 15:47:40 | Nico_P | linuxstb: do you intend on implementing code to extract an embedded cuesheet ? |
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| 15:51:55 | preglow | i wonder how many lines of code are needed to decode flac cue to our cue struct |
| 15:52:04 | preglow | supporting both methods might work nicely |
| 15:52:16 | preglow | parsing the vorbis tag one should be done with existing code |
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| 15:53:03 | Nico_P | I plan on modifying the cue code to store cues as MoB handles once playback is stable |
| 15:53:27 | Nico_P | best to to is probably to store the cue struct once it's been parsed |
| 15:54:01 | Nico_P | that way the setting and buffer_alloc can go away :) |
| 15:54:03 | ArchFool | Nico! I have a son called Nico! :) |
| 15:54:37 | Nico_P | ArchFool: is he just called "Nico" ? My real first name is Nicolas |
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| 15:56:00 | ArchFool | Nico's real name is Nicholas. :) He's 1/2 Mexican. |
| 15:56:40 | ArchFool | Mmmm... FLAC on my Sansa! |
| 15:57:27 | Bene^da | hi , I just tried the FS #5960 patch , has anyone tested this because JdGordon's patch doesn' t seem to work |
| 15:58:36 | JdGordon | doesnt work? or needs resync? |
| 15:58:46 | * | ArchFool wonders how many people here have had nocturnal transmissions. |
| 15:59:26 | Bene^da | folders with the ROCKBOX_DATABASE_IGNORE_FOLDER file are added to the database |
| 15:59:40 | JdGordon | oh ok.. |
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| 16:00:20 | Nico_P | are there any volunteer devs to test my MoB code on a not too powerul SWCODEC target ? |
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| 16:00:37 | * | Nico_P only has a gigabeat... not a very good indication |
| 16:00:56 | * | JdGordon 's sansa is wiling to play guienea pig |
| 16:00:56 | ArchFool | Depends. What's a MoB? What's a SWCODEC? ;) |
| 16:01:23 | Nico_P | ArchFool: I said "devs" because I don't want to explain it all now ;) |
| 16:01:33 | * | ArchFool nods his head. |
| 16:01:37 | * | ArchFool bobs his head happily. |
| 16:01:52 | Nico_P | also there is no benefit to users currently |
| 16:01:55 | n1s | Nico_P: i could test |
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| 16:02:05 | JdGordon | Nico_P: can yo do a e20 build for me? or pass me a diff? |
| 16:02:06 | ArchFool | I'm a developer. I just usually develop in Perl. ;) |
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| 16:02:20 | Nico_P | JdGordon, n1s: the gitweb interface allows downloading a snapshot |
| 16:02:29 | JdGordon | linkage? |
| 16:02:31 | Nico_P | http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox.git?a=shortlog;h=mob |
| 16:02:38 | Nico_P | click "snapshot" |
| 16:03:00 | preglow | Nico_P: sure, is nano good enough? |
| 16:03:10 | Nico_P | preglow: of course |
| 16:03:12 | preglow | oh, forget that, windows :/ |
| 16:03:15 | preglow | compiler is in linux |
| 16:03:39 | * | JdGordon can do builds for people once the snapshot is downloaded |
| 16:04:10 | Nico_P | JdGordon: if the download is too slow I can provide a patch |
| 16:04:16 | JdGordon | its done |
| 16:05:14 | preglow | JdGordon: whip me up a quick nano build and i'll checkie out when i've had a shower |
| 16:05:40 | JdGordon | anyone else want a build? |
| 16:05:45 | n1s | JdGordon: I'll take a h330 please :-) |
| 16:05:53 | n1s | s/330/300 |
| 16:06:00 | preglow | n1s: btw, how much faster did it go? |
| 16:06:44 | * | JdGordon loves his quad core |
| 16:07:00 | * | ArchFool only has two cores. =snif= |
| 16:07:06 | * | preglow has one :/ |
| 16:07:11 | n1s | preglow: with the loop optimizations it made possible the number of skips on my primary test file dropped from 12 to 2 but that also makes it a pretty lousy test file now :-) |
| 16:07:14 | * | ArchFool dumps core. |
| 16:07:30 | preglow | n1s: wow, that's pretty significant |
| 16:07:41 | * | preglow concludes he's still good when it comes to dsp code :> |
| 16:07:45 | JdGordon | n1s: jdgordon.info/jonno/rockbox/mob/h300.zip">http://www.jdgordon.info/jonno/rockbox/mob/h300.zip |
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| 16:08:23 | JdGordon | unless of course it doesnt want to work :( |
| 16:08:42 | n1s | preglow: yep, it' sa nice speed boost, I guess it will show better results with heavier files thoug |
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| 16:09:39 | JdGordon | preglow: n1s: jdgordon.info:8080/jonno/rockbox/mob/">http://jdgordon.info:8080/jonno/rockbox/mob/ |
| 16:09:51 | Nico_P | hmm looks like I recently caused a regression somewhere in the skipping |
| 16:09:52 | n1s | JdGordon: got it thanks |
| 16:10:08 | ArchFool | preglow... is that like a glow-plug on a diesel? =blink= |
| 16:10:09 | preglow | JdGordon: cheers |
| 16:10:11 | pixelma | JdGordon: ok, I would try an M5 build... |
| 16:10:25 | * | JdGordon adds e200 and m5 in a min |
| 16:10:52 | * | Nico_P feels he is going to get flooded with "it doesn't work" or "it crashed" comments |
| 16:10:55 | pixelma | nice compile service here ;) |
| 16:11:26 | n1s | Nico_P: playback resuming works, it just started playing :-) |
| 16:11:31 | preglow | ArchFool: i really didn't know of anything that meant "preglow" when i started using this nick, i just used to call myself "glow" and i liked the sound of "preglow" |
| 16:11:38 | ArchFool | getcher red hot rockbox builds! FResh off the press! |
| 16:11:44 | preglow | but yeah, preglow is the kind of thing you apply on a diesiel engine car to make it start :P |
| 16:11:48 | pixelma | Nico_P: easily... should I try on my Ondio too? :P |
| 16:12:03 | JdGordon | pixelma: ok, m5 is up also |
| 16:12:21 | Nico_P | pixelma: hehe, no need :) |
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| 16:13:23 | JdGordon | bah, my sansa has gone walk-abouts.. ill test it out tomorow and let you know (prob in the logs) |
| 16:13:43 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 16:15:44 | n1s | Nico_P: some light skipping and seeking backwards and forwards works :-) |
| 16:16:01 | Nico_P | n1s: does it feel more or less responsive than the SVN code ? |
| 16:17:01 | n1s | Nico_P: well it is bloody instant on trackskip when it doesn't need to access the disk |
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| 16:17:30 | JdGordon | gnite all |
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| 16:17:37 | n1s | but I haven't noticed any delay in svn either so I would say as good as or better |
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| 16:17:52 | pixelma | Nico_P: are there restrictions in the format? |
| 16:17:56 | Nico_P | cool :) I was afraid it would be super slow on H300 |
| 16:18:09 | * | barrywardell can test on sansa |
| 16:18:12 | Nico_P | pixelma: no, but switching codecs will most probably fail |
| 16:18:20 | barrywardell | data abort :( |
| 16:18:31 | pixelma | well... tried aac first and it hung instantly |
| 16:18:50 | Nico_P | ah... well I got a segfault with WAV... I think I know why |
| 16:19:06 | Nico_P | n1s: what codec are you using ? |
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| 16:19:16 | pixelma | mp3 works but it rebuffers on trackchange even if the next track should be still in the buffer |
| 16:19:24 | pixelma | (skipping forward) |
| 16:19:33 | n1s | Nico_P: so far vorbis but I put some other stuff in the playlist |
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| 16:19:59 | pixelma | I can feel the hd spin and it also shows disk activity in my wps |
| 16:20:07 | Nico_P | pixelma: it rebuffers if the track wasn't buffered. it can happen because the buffering loop isn't too good right now |
| 16:20:39 | Nico_P | pixelma: so far I haven't really tried to optimise disk spins |
| 16:21:30 | przemhb | Hi all |
| 16:21:30 | pixelma | rebuffers on every trackchange while skipping forward with just standard length mp3s (I know it wouldn't happen that often with svn) |
| 16:22:10 | n1s | hmm, I got some really weird playlist viewer/ what's actually playing inconsistency... |
| 16:25:07 | n1s | dunno if it has to do with this |
| 16:25:35 | Nico_P | n1s: did you change the playlist ? |
| 16:25:43 | Nico_P | if so it's expected |
| 16:25:48 | n1s | ah, ok |
| 16:26:11 | n1s | the only shorten file I have results in "paperclip mode" :-) |
| 16:26:25 | pixelma | Nico_P: same happens after a seek and skipping backwards even if it's just to the beginning of the track. Don't know if it's got to do with the M5 only having 16MB of RAM (only playing an album of mp3s currently) |
| 16:26:40 | Nico_P | I get a segfault with a WAV file on sim... strange because it used to work fine |
| 16:27:08 | Nico_P | pixelma: yes, it's normal. the disk usage isn't very smart yet. |
| 16:28:06 | pixelma | well it looks to me as if it just starts buffering again, thought that is exactly what it should not do |
| 16:28:11 | przemhb | barrywardell: have you tried finding out H10's tuner control signals in hardware or have you disassembled OF? |
| 16:28:50 | barrywardell | i tried a little but couldn't get it to work |
| 16:29:07 | barrywardell | it's the same hw as the h300 |
| 16:30:02 | przemhb | but you have tried via OF disassembly, is that right? |
| 16:30:05 | barrywardell | so we should just be able to adapt that driver |
| 16:30:26 | barrywardell | no, no OF disassm for radio |
| 16:30:34 | barrywardell | yet |
| 16:31:11 | przemhb | from what I have founf out we've got the same chip, the same driver, but different GPIO pin which drives BUS_ENABLE of the TEA5767 |
| 16:31:40 | przemhb | and different switching of playback source |
| 16:32:33 | barrywardell | and different i2c |
| 16:32:45 | przemhb | so if I'm right we have to find out where signals: BUS_ENABLE for radio and A,B for multiplexer are located, right? |
| 16:33:00 | barrywardell | yes |
| 16:33:16 | przemhb | the i2c already has it's driver, so that's not a problem I believe |
| 16:33:20 | barrywardell | and make adapt the i2c(easy) |
| 16:33:25 | przemhb | uhmm |
| 16:33:59 | przemhb | I am thinking about hardware approach |
| 16:34:13 | barrywardell | ah,ok |
| 16:34:23 | pixelma | Nico_P: I have the impression that the beginning of the track isn't played correctly (while buffering) ... yes ... listening to a live album confirms that because it isn't gapless. I don't hear a pause but the next track starts not at the beginning but a tad bit later |
| 16:34:32 | barrywardell | i think we need to find bus_enable first |
| 16:34:43 | przemhb | yes |
| 16:34:55 | barrywardell | multiplexer can come later |
| 16:35:00 | Nico_P | pixelma: yeah I think I noticed that too, but only very recently... |
| 16:35:09 | Nico_P | it's new I think |
| 16:35:22 | przemhb | is there a plug that enables setting individual I/O's of the PP5020 for the H10? |
| 16:35:36 | pondlife | Nico_P: I'm about to test using JdGordon's H300 build |
| 16:35:37 | barrywardell | plug? |
| 16:35:50 | przemhb | rockbox plug-in |
| 16:36:01 | barrywardell | memmon plugin is one option |
| 16:36:02 | pixelma | Nico_P: well it's the first time I try :) |
| 16:36:14 | barrywardell | you can change any memory address |
| 16:37:15 | przemhb | how can I do this? |
| 16:37:44 | * | Nico_P tries git-bisect to find the cause of all these recent regressions |
| 16:38:34 | barrywardell | przemhb: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/6586 |
| 16:39:06 | przemhb | I would have to have it working on H10; I would disassemble hardware and measure BUS_ENABLE pin of the tuner chip when setting I/O's |
| 16:39:38 | pondlife | Nico_P: It seems to be keeping the audio buffer completely full. Or are the debug screens not being updated? |
| 16:40:03 | Nico_P | pondlife: what's the audio buffer ? |
| 16:40:18 | Nico_P | is it the file/main buffer ? |
| 16:40:21 | preglow | yes |
| 16:40:35 | pondlife | Go into Debug > View audio thread |
| 16:40:38 | Nico_P | pondlife: the debug screen is probably wrong |
| 16:40:41 | pondlife | OK |
| 16:40:45 | preglow | Nico_P: do you still use a max file number, btw? |
| 16:40:47 | przemhb | thank you - it may be helpful |
| 16:41:06 | barrywardell | przembh: there's no specific gpio testing plugin |
| 16:41:07 | Nico_P | preglow: the "tracks" array now has 128 elements |
| 16:41:16 | preglow | sounds pretty reasonable |
| 16:41:38 | barrywardell | but it would be helpful to have one |
| 16:41:51 | preglow | Nico_P: what size is that struct? |
| 16:41:59 | przemhb | one more question: where can I find memmory addresses of the H10's PP5020 GPIO ports? |
| 16:42:04 | pondlife | Nico_P: Do you want bug reports yet? |
| 16:42:11 | pondlife | If so, how do you want them! |
| 16:42:45 | Nico_P | pondlife: I think I'll wait a bit before asking for bug reports... I have enough in my head :) |
| 16:42:46 | barrywardell | check firmware/export/pp5020.h |
| 16:42:54 | pondlife | OK, thought you might |
| 16:42:58 | przemhb | great |
| 16:43:03 | pondlife | It's working ok mainly |
| 16:43:10 | barrywardell | there's a list of what i've found so far in the wiki too |
| 16:43:15 | Nico_P | preglow: struct track_info is 24 bytes |
| 16:43:20 | preglow | not bad |
| 16:43:47 | pondlife | I've got 38 tracks buffered here... |
| 16:44:38 | przemhb | I think I have all the necessary info at the moment; I will try to find out the signals mapping and let you know |
| 16:44:41 | preglow | it just sped through five tracks here... |
| 16:45:02 | pondlife | Yes, here too |
| 16:45:13 | preglow | now it "codec failure"s its way through tons of spcs, so no, it's not bug free :) |
| 16:45:15 | przemhb | (but it may take some time because I'm quite busy) |
| 16:45:43 | przemhb | Thank you barrywardel for your help. |
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| 16:45:49 | Nico_P | preglow: if you make it change codecs it will fail |
| 16:45:52 | Nico_P | did you ? |
| 16:46:21 | pixelma | but meta data is displayed correctly (also the next track's), and yes I have it skip half of a track too (still the live album, all mp3) |
| 16:46:51 | barrywardell | przemhb: good luck.i hope you figure it out |
| 16:46:55 | pixelma | without doing something myself just listening for a while, didn't touch any controls |
| 16:47:00 | preglow | Nico_P: i did |
| 16:49:41 | przemhb | thank you, bye, bye |
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| 16:57:37 | Nico_P | git bisect is a wonderful tool |
| 16:59:53 | * | Nico_P feels stupid for having handed out a version with regressions |
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| 17:02:21 | Nico_P | barrywardell: you said you had a data abort with the mob code you tried ? |
| 17:03:51 | pixelma | Nico_P: actually on track change with that life album something weird happens: at the end of the first track it starts playing from the same position in time of the next track basically I can only listen to every other song, depending on which is longer that can lead to other effects and sometimes playback just stops. Don't know if it's important but these are vbr mp3s |
| 17:04:25 | Nico_P | pixelma: would you mind getting the latest snapshot and seeing if the problem persists ? |
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| 17:05:05 | pixelma | do I need git to checkout? |
| 17:05:14 | Nico_P | pixelma: http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox.git?a=shortlog;h=mob, then click snapshot to get a zip file |
| 17:05:56 | Nico_P | take the one from the latest commit of course |
| 17:06:48 | desowin | "Bump version for new release with fixed OF loading on e200." <- it still doesn't work here with e280 |
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| 17:14:46 | Nico_P | pixelma: any better ? |
| 17:15:05 | pixelma | just started compiling, downloading took a while |
| 17:15:12 | Nico_P | ok |
| 17:16:53 | Nico_P | the awkward buffering will probably still be there but you shouldn't have the start of track problems and gapless should be fine |
| 17:17:26 | pixelma | get some warnings in playback.c |
| 17:18:31 | Nico_P | oh ? I'll try a coldfire build |
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| 17:18:55 | linuxstb | desowin: The SVN bootloader still doesn't work for you? |
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| 17:19:06 | desowin | oops, sorry, didn't update PP5022.mi4 |
| 17:19:29 | linuxstb | desowin: Are you compiling yourself? I don't think the download server has been updated with the new files yet. |
| 17:19:48 | desowin | yes, and I found problem, it works now, thanks anyway |
| 17:20:08 | linuxstb | np. Thanks for the confirmation it works ;) |
| 17:20:28 | desowin | but on amd64 there's bunch of warning |
| 17:21:14 | desowin | http://rafb.net/p/I4tymZ73.html |
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| 17:25:47 | linuxstb | desowin: Yes, barrywardell mentioned those yesterday. |
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| 17:27:35 | barrywardell | desowin: so the new sansapatcher works OK for you now? |
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| 17:28:47 | desowin | barrywardell: yes, I forgot to update PP5022.mi4 in sansapatcher dir first (then I told here that it doesn't work), but when I updated PP5022.mi4 it works like a charm |
| 17:29:01 | barrywardell | Great. |
| 17:29:16 | barrywardell | I have emailed binaries for windows, linux, osx and linux amd64 to Bagder, so hopefully he'll have a chance to put them up on the download server soon |
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| 17:33:08 | adam__ | hey guys, I've got an iPod Nano and i'm trying to figure out if it is compatible with RockBox |
| 17:33:19 | adam__ | it's the red one that came with AIDs |
| 17:34:05 | bluebrother | that's a 2nd G |
| 17:34:07 | GodEater_ | it's not |
| 17:36:41 | scorche|w | to clarify, it is a second den that is not compatible :) |
| 17:36:47 | scorche|w | gen |
| 17:37:11 | bluebrother | hmm, we should really extend IdentifyPlayer and link it from the front page. |
| 17:37:12 | pixelma | eration |
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| 17:47:04 | pixelma | Nico_P: yes, it's better. I can now listen to all songs and gaplessly |
| 17:47:38 | Nico_P | cool :) something was very wrong with the previous version |
| 17:48:26 | Nico_P | I think I'll soon have track transitions ready |
| 17:48:32 | Nico_P | codec transitions I mean |
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| 17:49:35 | pixelma | still rebuffering on every track change though (at the end of the current track) even if the next should be completely in buffer |
| 17:49:52 | Nico_P | it should but it isn't |
| 17:50:15 | Nico_P | sometimes the next few tracks end up being in the buffer and skipping will be instantaneous |
| 17:50:18 | pixelma | ok, then keep up the work :) |
| 17:50:23 | Nico_P | I am :) |
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| 17:52:36 | adam__ | damnit |
| 17:52:40 | adam__ | i want my ipod to work |
| 17:52:50 | adam__ | is there anything at all that i can do to make it work with rockbox |
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| 17:53:31 | bluebrother | unless you find a way to run custom code on that player, no |
| 17:53:41 | scorche|w | you can work on porting rockbox to your device, but it requires a lot of time and effort |
| 17:53:48 | scorche|w | (and quite a bit of a "clue" |
| 17:54:58 | pixelma | scorche|w: by the way... nice collection of pics. I found most of them earlier but didn't notice until today that you three were on quite a few... :) |
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| 17:55:41 | scorche|w | pixelma: yeah...all the ones with a group photo, we are in somewhere :) |
| 17:56:01 | scorche|w | i should post some of the ones where we are hiding behind people so you can have more of a challenge ;) |
| 17:56:38 | pixelma | makes a nice "where are the rockbox devs?" game |
| 17:56:45 | adam__ | bummer |
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| 17:57:28 | scorche|w | i was tempted to circle them in red, but that would ruin the fun |
| 17:57:44 | scorche|w | perhaps i should have it as the "answers" |
| 17:58:08 | eclecticus | scorche|w = work i assume? |
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| 17:58:14 | delYsid | AM I completely missing something or does autofire_delay_settings in fireworks.c have one element too much? |
| 17:58:25 | Nico_P | scorche|w: could you give the link to your photos ? |
| 17:58:59 | delYsid | I suggest reducing the array size to 15, removing the duplicate "300ms" entry and reducing autofire_delay_values to 15 as well (as well as the call to set_int(). |
| 17:59:10 | pixelma | Nico_P: same as yesterday scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/gsoc/">http://scorche.cleansoap.org/rockbox/gsoc/ |
| 17:59:15 | scorche|w | Nico_P: none of markun's are up there (not that he took many), but it is at scorche.cleansoap...bah |
| 17:59:33 | pixelma | :P |
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| 18:00:09 | Nico_P | hmm this time even the page doesn't load :( |
| 18:01:38 | pixelma | weird, no problem here (but it was also ok yesterday) |
| 18:03:31 | eclecticus | question - what irc client do you all use |
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| 18:04:30 | Nico_P | codec transitions ! :D |
| 18:04:52 | GodEater_ | :D |
| 18:04:59 | pondlife | Nico_P: But I only just got the last one built...:/ |
| 18:05:07 | pondlife | \o/ |
| 18:05:18 | Nico_P | pondlife: don't worry, it's still buggy :p |
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| 18:07:26 | GodEater_ | sweet jesus that David-NYC bloke looks scarey! |
| 18:07:47 | delYsid | Can someone verify P#7933 and commit it please? |
| 18:07:56 | pondlife | GodEater_: Where? |
| 18:08:22 | GodEater_ | forums |
| 18:08:27 | GodEater_ | the NYC meeting thread |
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| 18:08:35 | GodEater_ | PS - you coming on the 18th ? |
| 18:08:47 | pondlife | No. |
| 18:08:50 | pondlife | :( |
| 18:08:58 | GodEater_ | lowest turnout yet then |
| 18:09:03 | pondlife | Just you? |
| 18:09:04 | GodEater_ | looks like it's just me and linuxstb so far |
| 18:09:22 | pixelma | Nico_P: should I paste the warnings in playback.c somewhere or did you already take a look yourself/plan to look into it later? |
| 18:09:44 | Nico_P | pixelma: I've looked but didn't find an easy way to fix them |
| 18:10:05 | pondlife | At least it's playing through an album ok-ish now (so far) |
| 18:10:07 | pixelma | ok |
| 18:10:38 | pondlife | 37 tracks buffered at the mo too |
| 18:11:00 | Nico_P | pondlife: how do you know ? the debug screen ? |
| 18:11:04 | pondlife | Yes |
| 18:11:12 | Nico_P | I'm not sure if it can be trusted |
| 18:11:24 | pondlife | It's about right for the test album I'm using |
| 18:11:42 | pondlife | The buffer usage indicator seems to be going down properly now too |
| 18:12:14 | pondlife | At track transitions, the number buffered drops by one too... so I'm fairly sure it's right |
| 18:12:52 | Nico_P | yeah if the debug screen reads the tracks array it can be close from being right |
| 18:13:24 | Nico_P | but the data might not be buffered on disk yet, that's the buffering API's work and the debug screen doesn't know about it |
| 18:13:26 | pixelma | pondlife: in "view audio thread"? |
| 18:13:29 | pondlife | Yes |
| 18:13:34 | pondlife | Ah, ok |
| 18:13:47 | pondlife | Nico_P: That's good, isn't it |
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| 18:13:58 | Nico_P | IMO it is |
| 18:14:05 | Nico_P | I should so a buffering debug screen |
| 18:14:10 | pondlife | We could have a view buffering thread option too |
| 18:14:12 | pondlife | lol |
| 18:14:15 | Nico_P | :) |
| 18:14:27 | Nico_P | I'm not sure how it would access the data though |
| 18:14:43 | pondlife | You'd need to add some bufdebug_... API entries |
| 18:14:48 | Nico_P | (it's meant to be private to buffering.c) |
| 18:14:57 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 18:15:03 | Nico_P | makes sense |
| 18:15:11 | pondlife | The vars would definitely remain private |
| 18:15:23 | pondlife | PubCon??? It's DevConPub! |
| 18:15:59 | scorche|w | oh...heh...morning |
| 18:17:12 | scorche|w | fixed :) |
| 18:17:32 | GodEater_ | and how is it you're not attending next week then pondlife ? |
| 18:17:36 | GodEater_ | it was YOU that picked the date |
| 18:17:44 | pondlife | I know, but I never promised |
| 18:17:55 | pondlife | mrs pondlife came up with a better offer.. |
| 18:17:56 | pixelma | pondlife: for me it still rebuffering on every track change |
| 18:18:18 | pondlife | pixelma: I've not checked that yet... just want to see it working |
| 18:18:25 | * | GodEater_ wants to see the excuse note from mrs pondlife |
| 18:18:29 | pondlife | haha |
| 18:18:55 | pondlife | pondlife can't come out today because.... |
| 18:19:04 | GodEater_ | he's forgotten his gym kit |
| 18:19:14 | pondlife | the dog ate his Rockbox |
| 18:19:20 | GodEater_ | hehe |
| 18:20:09 | pondlife | Nico_P: That annoying code to keep the progress bar running all the way to the end of a track... has it been removed? |
| 18:20:14 | pixelma | pondlife: I thought you were saying earlier that it works correctly for you, maybe misread then |
| 18:20:29 | Nico_P | pondlife: yes, and you can see it's missing... I don't really know what do do |
| 18:20:30 | pondlife | Well, it plays through an album without doing weird things like before |
| 18:20:49 | pondlife | Nico_P: As long as that's intentional, we can find a way to fix somehow. |
| 18:20:49 | Nico_P | actually I simply disabled it |
| 18:21:23 | pondlife | Hmm, why can't we maintain it? It needed a global variable to hold the last track length, right? |
| 18:21:32 | Nico_P | ok, codec change now appears to be safe |
| 18:21:55 | pixelma | pondlife: ah, ok - you meant that |
| 18:21:58 | pondlife | pixelma: It's not buffering on every track change, but it does buffer much earlier than before |
| 18:22:07 | Nico_P | pondlife: actually it accessed the prev track's mp3entry directly. this isn't good with mob so it could be replaced with global vars |
| 18:22:31 | pondlife | Yes, we were going to have a single variable just for this purpose I thought. |
| 18:22:56 | Nico_P | two actually, because it needs prev_track_elapsed and prev_track_len |
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| 18:23:23 | pondlife | OK, but only one track's worth |
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| 18:23:35 | Nico_P | yes |
| 18:23:51 | Nico_P | it's for when the playback engine has changed tracks but not the WPS |
| 18:23:57 | pondlife | pixelma: Are you using H300 too? |
| 18:24:39 | pondlife | I'm not seeing much more disk activity here... assuming the status bar indicator is reliable |
| 18:25:10 | pondlife | Mind you, I'm not seeking or skipping at all |
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| 18:26:15 | pixelma | pondlife: no, I'm testing on M5, but looks like you are right. Now I'm watching the audio thread it was just by chance at a track change but disk is spinning more often (overall). No skipping or seeking here too - will pay a bit more attention |
| 18:26:58 | pondlife | Nico_P: Is there an easy way an SVN user (i.e. me) could update from your git "mob" head? Or will I need git? |
| 18:27:27 | Nico_P | pondlife: you'd need git |
| 18:27:41 | pondlife | OK, I actually have it... do I start with a git clone? |
| 18:27:52 | pondlife | Or checkout |
| 18:28:09 | Nico_P | pondlife: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GitVersionControl#Using_git_with_the_SVN_repositor |
| 18:28:51 | Nico_P | this should set you up with a working git-svn repo on which you can use git svn rebase |
| 18:29:11 | Nico_P | if you only want to keep track of the mob branch you can simply clone though |
| 18:29:41 | pondlife | I just want a low-bandwidth way to get your changes here |
| 18:29:43 | * | Nico_P pushes his changes for codec ransitions |
| 18:30:15 | Nico_P | pondlife: you have no choice but to do the initial clone which will download the entire repo :/ |
| 18:30:23 | pondlife | No problem |
| 18:30:28 | pondlife | As long as it's only once |
| 18:30:58 | Nico_P | yes it's only once... then "git pull origin mob" (I think) should give you the latest updates |
| 18:31:28 | Nico_P | problem is I have to rebase mob on svn from time to time |
| 18:31:29 | pondlife | origin/mob or origin mob ? |
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| 18:31:56 | Nico_P | origin mob I think... "pull the mob branch from the origin remote" |
| 18:32:10 | pixelma | I thought I could save the diff and patch that into my local mob tree |
| 18:32:12 | Nico_P | but maybe origin/mob works too |
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| 18:32:41 | Nico_P | pixelma: you can do that too but IMHO it's less practical |
| 18:33:00 | * | Nico_P tries cloning his own repo |
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| 18:34:00 | pixelma | well... but I don't need to get git for it |
| 18:34:31 | Nico_P | pondlife: once you have your local git repo you can make changes to it, commit them and push them to me |
| 18:34:41 | Nico_P | or I can pull from you |
| 18:35:00 | pondlife | I don't think I'll be doing more than testing |
| 18:35:11 | pondlife | Might put some use cases on the wiki |
| 18:35:24 | Nico_P | good idea :) |
| 18:35:35 | Nico_P | I need to start looking at the bugs in flyspray |
| 18:35:46 | pondlife | Even better idea :) |
| 18:36:10 | Nico_P | I'm pretty confident at least some of them solved themselves |
| 18:37:28 | * | pondlife awaits the big commit before updating Flyspray ;) |
| 18:37:46 | Nico_P | the big SVN commit ? |
| 18:38:35 | pondlife | Yes... at this rate we'll have MOB in there in no time.. |
| 18:38:42 | pondlife | (no pressure, again) :) |
| 18:38:47 | Nico_P | :p |
| 18:39:37 | pondlife | p.s. I'm getting build warnings, do you know about them? |
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| 18:39:56 | Nico_P | the type-punned pointer dereferencing business ? |
| 18:40:43 | pondlife | http://www.pastebin.ca/733198 |
| 18:41:08 | Nico_P | yeah well I have no idea how to make these disappear |
| 18:41:19 | Nico_P | other than by changing a compile flag |
| 18:41:26 | remi__ | will it be long till rockbox supports ipod nano 2g? |
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| 18:43:22 | pondlife | Nico_P: Did you push your codec stuff yet? |
| 18:43:36 | Nico_P | yes |
| 18:43:45 | pondlife | I'm still getting "Already up-to-date.".. |
| 18:43:55 | Nico_P | the three commits from the last 20 minutes |
| 18:44:13 | Nico_P | maybe you are... the latest is "Rename getptr to bufgetcodec and make it ensure the ... " |
| 18:46:03 | pondlife | Guess I am, git log includes that |
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| 18:47:44 | The-Compiler | I have some question about the c200: What does work, what not? What's the cpu of the c200? |
| 18:48:38 | pondlife | Nico_P: MOB seems much more responsive to me... might be my imagination though |
| 18:48:47 | Nico_P | one of my M4B podcasts makes the sim segfault, both SVN and MoB |
| 18:49:03 | Nico_P | pondlife: to me too, but I was afraid it was just my imagination :) |
| 18:49:08 | pondlife | gdb rockboxui.exe |
| 18:49:18 | Nico_P | yeah it's in the mp4 metadata parser |
| 18:49:24 | pondlife | Or, pop it on Flyspray for now and ignore |
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| 18:50:29 | pondlife | Oops, crashed by skipping back 2 tracks |
| 18:50:39 | pixelma | and I just wanted to answer him... |
| 18:51:47 | Nico_P | pondlife: really ? I've been skipping back plenty more than that without any problems ? anything peculiar with the tracks ? |
| 18:51:54 | pondlife | Short tracks? |
| 18:52:01 | pondlife | About 10 seconds each |
| 18:52:09 | pondlife | It span up the disk, then locked |
| 18:52:29 | Nico_P | could you send the tracks to me ? i don't have such short ones |
| 18:52:54 | Nico_P | ...but I just got a lockup :/ |
| 18:53:00 | pondlife | Me too (again) |
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| 18:54:27 | Nico_P | hmm mine wasn't my fault, it was the previously mentioned M4B podcast crash |
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| 19:09:21 | n1s | Nico_P: the type-punned pointer warnings comes from casting to different types, for example this cast (unsigned char **)&id3 |
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| 19:09:53 | Nico_P | n1s: yes, but I've tried t solve it without success |
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| 19:15:22 | * | amiconn wonders whether he should torture-test MoB together with the .mod patch on a 64MB iPod video |
| 19:15:28 | n1s | Nico_P: you can also do it the less clean way and simply add -fno-strict-aliasing to the compiler flags, we do that for gcc 4.x builds anyway |
| 19:15:48 | amiconn | Might be that it would have to buffer all 80 .mods I have in that folder... |
| 19:16:05 | Nico_P | amiconn: please do :) |
| 19:16:56 | amiconn | The code throws type-punned pointer warnigns even with gcc 3.x? |
| 19:17:03 | amiconn | That's usually a bad sign iirc |
| 19:17:50 | * | amiconn wonders what would be necessary to test the thing |
| 19:17:55 | rasher | Just test it with the .sid codec.. |
| 19:18:06 | amiconn | Nah |
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| 19:19:39 | pixelma | I let my M5 just play now and hold it in the hand, the disk spins up every 4..5 minutes when in the wps, doesn't have to do with track changes. That seems a bit too often to me (currently 128kbps mp3s, got 13,3 MB of free buffer) and yes - typed that one-handedly |
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| 19:21:02 | Nico_P | pixelma: I have done nothing to optimise disk spins yet |
| 19:21:08 | amiconn | I mean how to fetch the source tree in order to test it |
| 19:21:34 | Nico_P | amiconn: you can get a zip snapshot or use git to clone the repo |
| 19:21:36 | pixelma | you can download a snapshot as I did |
| 19:21:50 | * | amiconn wants to stay far away from git |
| 19:22:21 | Nico_P | then http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox.git?a=shortlog;h=mob |
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| 19:24:59 | n1s | Nico_P: if I add a lot of sids to the playlist then stop and resume again it will not start playing, in the audio debug thread track count stops at 128 |
| 19:25:22 | Nico_P | yeah 128 is the max number |
| 19:25:26 | n1s | btw I'm using the version jdgordon built earlier |
| 19:25:51 | n1s | but it seems like it won't start playing if more than 128 tracks fit in the buffer |
| 19:26:00 | Nico_P | n1s: maybe update, the version JdGordon built had some regressions but I don't know if they would affect what you're doing |
| 19:26:00 | amiconn | Why is there a maximum number? |
| 19:26:23 | Nico_P | amiconn: because I need to store handle IDs somewhere |
| 19:26:32 | preglow | so that the player doesn't try to buffer 5000 sid files? |
| 19:26:33 | rasher | It's a language course bug waiting to happen! |
| 19:26:34 | preglow | that would take ages |
| 19:26:48 | amiconn | I thought that MoB would use a linked list within the buffer... |
| 19:26:53 | Nico_P | playback.c can't access the linked list directly |
| 19:27:36 | rasher | preglow: but after that, you could practically remove the harddisk |
| 19:29:02 | amiconn | Hmm.... |
| 19:29:11 | n1s | meh the neverending looping of sid tracks is anoyying |
| 19:29:19 | * | amiconn thought we would get rid of that static limit stuff... |
| 19:29:39 | pixelma | Nico_P: my comment about disk spinning was more directed to pondlife (though I see now that he left) because he said it wouldn't spin up so often for him - ok the H300 has more RAM but it should also be more often than svn for him... or there must be another difference |
| 19:29:48 | preglow | rasher: well, yeah, but i don't WANT it to buffer 5000 sids, that's overkill |
| 19:30:06 | preglow | the disk would be spinning for a pretty long time |
| 19:30:42 | preglow | so the static limit is a good thing, if you ask me, not that i think it should necessarily be enforced with a static array |
| 19:30:53 | TMM | you could do it in the background while it was doing other stuff anyway, if the disk spins up, just keep it spinning for a bit longer? |
| 19:31:03 | preglow | TMM: battery life is an issue |
| 19:31:10 | remi__ | I was just thinking.. is it possible to remove the nano 2g firmware and then replace it with 1g? |
| 19:31:10 | preglow | the drive sucks down currenmt |
| 19:31:11 | preglow | current <- |
| 19:31:18 | preglow | remi__: hell no |
| 19:31:22 | TMM | if the lists' in memory, after that you'll save battery |
| 19:31:25 | remi__ | f**k |
| 19:31:59 | preglow | TMM: assuming i want to listen to all of them, the fact that i keep songs in the same dir doesn't automatically imply that i always want to listen to as many of them as possible |
| 19:32:18 | preglow | TMM: if i want to listen to one, then another one in another dir, 4999 sids just got buffered during a thirty second spinup for no reason |
| 19:32:46 | TMM | I suppose that's true |
| 19:32:47 | preglow | and thirty seconds is probably an optimistic estimate |
| 19:33:06 | preglow | thanks to metadata parsin |
| 19:33:20 | preglow | hmm... |
| 19:33:30 | preglow | Nico_P: when does metadata parsin happen with mob? during disk load or afteR? |
| 19:33:32 | n1s | preglow: you should use that "Insert" function we talkt about earlier |
| 19:33:43 | Nico_P | preglow: during |
| 19:33:44 | n1s | :-P |
| 19:33:51 | preglow | n1s: i don't like playlists |
| 19:33:53 | rasher | Which reminds me.. someone with a clue and a heart for sids should have a look at FS #7891 |
| 19:34:19 | preglow | rasher: that database is a text file :/ |
| 19:34:32 | preglow | rasher: parsing a bloody text file for every sid load sounds "interesting" |
| 19:34:43 | rasher | there could be a conversion script to a more friendly layout |
| 19:35:10 | rasher | also, the md5s are sorted, so it'd "only" be a binary search :) |
| 19:35:14 | preglow | or the bloody idiots could start tagging their files, like the rest of the world |
| 19:35:17 | amiconn | Nico_P: I get no warnings during build (core and codecs)... |
| 19:35:27 | rasher | preglow: I suggest ogg/sid |
| 19:35:34 | Nico_P | amiconn: the warnings only appear on coldfire builds |
| 19:35:40 | amiconn | ah |
| 19:35:41 | preglow | i really wouldn't use ogg for a non-streaming codec |
| 19:35:51 | * | amiconn is building for ipod video |
| 19:36:08 | preglow | at least not without asking someone skilled with ogg |
| 19:36:14 | Nico_P | I didn't know about them until pixelma mentioned them |
| 19:36:20 | rasher | My point was just that sids by design can't be tagged, afaiu |
| 19:36:22 | n1s | amiconn: strict aliasing is disabled for gcc => 4 in configure |
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| 19:37:00 | amiconn | n1s: Yeah, probably due to some bogus warnings... if 3.x gives those, I think they're not bogus.... |
| 19:37:39 | preglow | rasher: i really hate any scheme that needs to modify files |
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| 19:38:34 | preglow | for pure text data base we'd need an md5 routine too, that kinda sucks... |
| 19:38:52 | amiconn | Why is that? |
| 19:39:03 | amiconn | Are those text database pre-made using md5? |
| 19:39:08 | amiconn | *databases |
| 19:39:09 | rasher | The best part is that the fingerprint isn't simply an md5sum of the .sid.. but something else |
| 19:39:13 | preglow | 19:35 < rasher> also, the md5s are sorted, so it'd "only" be a binary search :) |
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| 19:39:32 | rasher | Actually, I'm not even entirely sure it's md5, just has the same size |
| 19:40:00 | Daenyth | I just updated my ipod video to the latest build, from an older one, and now it won't start correctly. It just stalls at the splash screen with the rockbox logo |
| 19:40:18 | * | amiconn thinks that if a format can't be tagged, then leave it that way |
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| 19:40:44 | Daenyth | has anyone heard of anything that might cause that? |
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| 19:43:11 | Daenyth | I just redid the bootloader with ipodpatcher, let me see if that helps... |
| 19:44:39 | n1s | Daenyth: is it a 5/5.5G/video? |
| 19:44:46 | Daenyth | 5g |
| 19:44:55 | n1s | yup, that has been reported |
| 19:45:07 | Daenyth | downgrade the firmware then? |
| 19:45:09 | Daenyth | which version is safe? |
| 19:45:51 | n1s | I don't know but jhMikeS who reworked the pcm code last week (?) suspected it might be the cause so go back about a week or so |
| 19:45:55 | Daenyth | I used http://build.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip |
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| 19:46:30 | n1s | that would be the current build |
| 19:46:36 | amiconn | Nico_P: Did you try casting to (void**) in order to avoid the warnings? |
| 19:46:45 | Daenyth | ok, lemme try one from september |
| 19:46:54 | Nico_P | amiconn: yes, but maybe I didn't do it quite right |
| 19:46:56 | amiconn | Blah, I'll just try |
| 19:48:10 | rasher | preglow: ah yes, it is md5, but it's... "special": http://www.google.com/codesearch?q=SidTuneMod%3A%3AcreateMD5 |
| 19:48:55 | Daenyth | the 9/30 build locks also |
| 19:49:30 | amiconn | Nico_P: How far from svn is that tree, apart from your changes? |
| 19:50:03 | Nico_P | amiconn: it's based on r15048 |
| 19:50:35 | * | Nico_P should rebase |
| 19:50:57 | * | amiconn wanted to check the binary size changes |
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| 19:51:24 | amiconn | Atm it looks like it becomes a bit smaller, but there were size-increasing changes in svn after 15048 |
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| 19:52:49 | Nico_P | amiconn: what are you comparing ? svn versus the build from the snapshot ? |
| 19:52:54 | amiconn | yes |
| 19:53:17 | Nico_P | so there might be a slight increase |
| 19:53:41 | Nico_P | I can compare quite easily but I have uncommited changes right now |
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| 19:56:08 | Daenyth | n1s: the 9/11 build is still locking it.. I'll try again tonight but I don't have more time right now |
| 19:58:01 | Nico_P | amiconn: the mob build is 1688 less for me |
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| 19:58:39 | * | amiconn silenced the "type punned pointer..." warnings locally |
| 19:58:56 | pixelma | Daenyth: do you know how old your bootloader is= |
| 19:58:58 | Nico_P | nice :) how did you do ? |
| 19:59:01 | pixelma | s/=/? |
| 19:59:06 | amiconn | Just cast to (void *) instead of (unsigned char **) |
| 19:59:15 | amiconn | Note the single asterisk |
| 19:59:56 | amiconn | bufgetdata() knows what it expects after all, and (void*) is the fit-all universal pointer |
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| 20:00:27 | pixelma | Daenyth: sorry, overlooked your statement that you updated it too, ognore |
| 20:00:40 | amiconn | But there's one more warning in playback.c for coldfire |
| 20:00:50 | amiconn | playback.c:2751: warning: 'fd' might be used uninitialized in this function |
| 20:01:51 | Nico_P | amiconn: so for example in bufgetid3 it should be (void *)id3 ? |
| 20:02:22 | amiconn | No, (void *)&id3 |
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| 20:03:24 | Nico_P | so a void * can be an ** ? |
| 20:03:40 | Nico_P | yeah I guess |
| 20:04:07 | amiconn | void* is just a pointer that can point to anything |
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| 20:04:23 | amiconn | So in this case it points to something that is a pointer itself |
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| 20:05:41 | Nico_P | amiconn: should I declare bufgetdata as requiring a void ** ? |
| 20:05:48 | amiconn | no |
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| 20:05:59 | amiconn | Leave it as it is |
| 20:06:08 | Nico_P | it's just that unsigned char ** feels dirty |
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| 20:09:12 | amiconn | Then make it require a void* (again, one asterisk), and change the assignment to *data = &buffer[h->ridx]; |
| 20:09:37 | amiconn | Hmm, that might not work... |
| 20:10:25 | Nico_P | and it feels even more dirty IMHO |
| 20:10:26 | amiconn | (void**) might in fact work, with the same assignment |
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| 20:14:26 | preglow | amiconn: if you're interC[C[Cested, my idea for rendering midis turned out to be faster than the current one, according to n1s |
| 20:14:37 | preglow | what the hell happened in "interested" there... |
| 20:15:04 | amiconn | Nico_P: This compiles, and after thinking a bit more, looks like it makes sense |
| 20:15:18 | amiconn | The resulting binaries have the same size to the byte |
| 20:15:33 | Nico_P | amiconn: what's "this" ? |
| 20:16:00 | amiconn | ssize_t bufgetdata(int handle_id, size_t size, void **data); |
| 20:16:19 | amiconn | ...and then doing *data = &buffer[h->ridx]; in bufgetdata() |
| 20:16:30 | amiconn | ...and calling it with a cast to (void*) |
| 20:16:36 | preglow | n1s: btw, why don't you commit it ? |
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| 20:18:14 | amiconn | The void **data reflects that the returned pointer can point to anything, depending on how the caller interprets it |
| 20:19:06 | preglow | n1s: is there a wiki page for the midi plug? |
| 20:19:22 | * | amiconn would guess PluginMidiplay |
| 20:19:24 | elinenbe | unrelated, but does anyone have have experience using a bash script to ssh to a gateway machine and then again ssh'ing from there? |
| 20:20:02 | amiconn | Nah, slightly wrong: PluginMidiPlay |
| 20:20:18 | preglow | yup |
| 20:20:23 | scorche|w | elinenbe: yes, it is unrelated... |
| 20:20:46 | elinenbe | just looking for some advice. |
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| 20:21:05 | Llorean | elinenbe: Try reading the channel topic. It might have a suggestion. |
| 20:21:16 | preglow | n1s: are there any fancier patch sets around than this? |
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| 20:21:39 | elinenbe | Llorean: I don't understand :-) |
| 20:22:18 | Llorean | elinenbe: 1) There are guidelines. 2) There's a part of the topic that says "Please direct offtopic..." |
| 20:23:00 | Nico_P | amiconn: http://repo.or.cz/w/Rockbox.git?a=commitdiff;h=ff17404d4f16d4a34821fc055a9f09ae8c416325 |
| 20:23:40 | Nico_P | this compiles fine |
| 20:24:35 | amiconn | Looks okay to me |
| 20:24:54 | amiconn | Just keep in mind that you can't do pointer arithmetics with void* in standard C |
| 20:25:15 | amiconn | In gcc you can, but that's a gnu extension, and should be avoided imho |
| 20:25:19 | Nico_P | sounds logical |
| 20:25:54 | amiconn | (gcc treats void* as char* for pointer arithmetics) |
| 20:26:13 | preglow | isn't that ansi c spec? |
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| 20:27:23 | Nico_P | amiconn: btw, why do you want to stay far from git ? |
| 20:27:24 | amiconn | http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-3.4.6/gcc/Pointer-Arith.html#Pointer-Arith |
| 20:27:43 | amiconn | (under "5 Extensions to the C Language Family") |
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| 20:28:33 | preglow | is that so |
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| 20:32:33 | amiconn | (1) I prefer one central repository. (2) git is (reportetly) slow on cygwin |
| 20:33:14 | scorche|w | amiconn: you can have one central repository with git.. |
| 20:33:18 | Nico_P | ah yes you're on cygwin |
| 20:33:30 | scorche|w | in fact, that is how we would set it up... |
| 20:33:45 | Nico_P | I hear a windows native implementation is in the works and already quite advanced |
| 20:34:07 | scorche|w | Nico_P: i could always ask the git guys i met at google |
| 20:34:14 | amiconn | Yes, you can. With svn, you must |
| 20:34:44 | Nico_P | scorche|w: who did you meet ? |
| 20:34:57 | amiconn | umm |
| 20:35:04 | amiconn | The 128 track limit is too low |
| 20:35:12 | scorche|w | there were 2 git guys that i remember...talked more with a guy named "shawn"...would have to see the wiki to find out more |
| 20:35:28 | amiconn | I now have 84 MODs buffered, which just need around 1/3 of the whole buffer |
| 20:35:43 | amiconn | ...and it took very few seconds to buffer them |
| 20:35:58 | Nico_P | amiconn: struct track_info is only 24 bytes so we can probably set the limit to way more than 128 |
| 20:36:17 | Nico_P | amiconn: they might not actually be buffered though |
| 20:36:41 | amiconn | I would prefer no imposed limit, but if that's unavoidable, the code must be able to handle the case that the IDs are used up before the whole ram is filled |
| 20:36:46 | Nico_P | scorche|w: Shawn O. Pearce and Johannes Schindelin (from the google git page) |
| 20:37:16 | Nico_P | amiconn: doesn't it ? |
| 20:37:21 | scorche|w | amiconn: it would basically be the same, but you would have the additional benefits of being able to pull a branch from another dev, and other stuff like that...but you actually dont *have* to use that...one talk there was about git, and one project said they had a lot of older devs that were very leery, but they set it up exactly like it was with svn, and it worked great...they gradually started using the other features |
| 20:37:45 | scorche|w | notes are on the jot wiki that i can look up later.. |
| 20:38:00 | Nico_P | scorche|w: is that wiki accessible ? |
| 20:39:16 | amiconn | scorche: I'm not sure whether I would like this ability being present, even if I wouldn't use it... |
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| 20:39:45 | scorche|w | Nico_P: by a few of us...we have been using Bagder's credentials...when markun gets back, we will likely talk a bit about what we learned, what can be improved, etc...i may write a wiki page about it |
| 20:39:54 | amiconn | Nico_P: I dunno; I don't have that many small tracks, but iirc pondlife reported a problem with resume not working |
| 20:39:55 | scorche|w | amiconn: if you didnt use it, what would it matter? |
| 20:40:15 | amiconn | scorche: Others who would use it could mess up something |
| 20:40:34 | amiconn | This git feature sounds too complex to me to be trustworthy |
| 20:40:36 | scorche|w | example? |
| 20:41:08 | rasher | It works for the Linux kernel.. surely it won't mess up Rockbox |
| 20:42:10 | zicho | Does anyone know if the Gigabeat F runs Linux in its default firmware? |
| 20:42:28 | linuxstb | zicho: Yes, it does. |
| 20:42:37 | zicho | Ah, nice. |
| 20:42:48 | linuxstb | Not really... |
| 20:43:21 | linuxstb | By all accounts (from people who have used it), it's one of the worst firmwares known to mankind. |
| 20:43:24 | amiconn | Nico_P: In fact it was n1s who reported that problem |
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| 20:44:06 | zicho | linuxstb: Haha, I didnt use it. I changed to rockbox immediately. |
| 20:44:16 | zicho | But it was ugly as hell as far as i saw. |
| 20:46:06 | amiconn | Hmm, I'll have to check something when switching back to an svn build... *possibly* the MoB code doesn't yield enough/properly/whatever |
| 20:46:41 | amiconn | Scrolling in the wps is slow as hell on G5.5 (*might* be due to peakmeters - that's what I have to compare) |
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| 20:47:32 | Nico_P | amiconn: it's very possible |
| 20:47:38 | amiconn | Hmm, skipping back spins up the disk |
| 20:47:57 | amiconn | I know that svn also does this |
| 20:48:01 | preglow | now always |
| 20:48:04 | preglow | not <- |
| 20:48:08 | Nico_P | yes, that's because track handles are released immediately after the track is finished playing |
| 20:48:22 | preglow | and i'd love to retain that |
| 20:48:29 | Nico_P | I should probably be a bit more conservative about that |
| 20:48:31 | preglow | if data is still there, it should be used |
| 20:48:56 | amiconn | Nico_P: The ymight need one more possible state |
| 20:49:35 | Nico_P | handles ? |
| 20:49:42 | amiconn | yes |
| 20:49:52 | amiconn | If they're available for overwriting but not yet actually overwritten |
| 20:50:05 | Nico_P | yes I see what you mean |
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| 20:53:36 | preglow | n1s: the patch set from the wiki page is not very nice... |
| 20:54:21 | preglow | also, are you sure the linear interpolation is done properly? kind of doesn't sound like it is |
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| 20:57:00 | preglow | there's some weird kind of high frequency ringing here |
| 20:57:18 | amiconn | Nico_P: SVN has the same slow-scroll problem, so the MoB code seems to be okay |
| 20:57:31 | Nico_P | cool |
| 20:57:56 | Nico_P | amiconn: btw, have you noticed a change in responsiveness for track skipping and seeking ? |
| 20:58:32 | amiconn | no |
| 20:58:43 | amiconn | I didn't try seeking at all though |
| 20:59:25 | amiconn | ...only skipping |
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| 21:01:21 | n1s | preglow: I am actually not very familiar with the techical details so it might very well be broken, also I haven't found any other patch sets |
| 21:01:32 | n1s | not that I have been looking... |
| 21:02:09 | preglow | something is definitely up with the sound |
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| 21:02:44 | preglow | also, we need some reverb :P |
| 21:03:40 | n1s | preglow: I actually introduced a bug with my last commit but I can't hear it and it only affects the last fraction of a tick that doesn't fit the buffer so I don't think that's it |
| 21:04:11 | preglow | nah, surely not |
| 21:04:15 | n1s | I'd say we need to be realtime on pp before reverb :-) |
| 21:04:15 | preglow | why don't you commit the new stuff, btw? |
| 21:05:15 | n1s | dunno, the memcpy feels hacky and it's probably not needed for others than coldfire so I have to #ifdef a bit |
| 21:05:48 | n1s | I think I'll do it tomorrow |
| 21:06:12 | preglow | like linusn said, making core use non-dma memory before dma memory should only be a matter of hacking plugin scripts |
| 21:06:16 | preglow | ehh |
| 21:06:18 | preglow | linker scripts |
| 21:06:28 | preglow | besides, this is eventually going to be a codec where the output buffer is in iram anyway |
| 21:06:52 | preglow | the memcpy is hacky, but only needed for coldfire |
| 21:06:56 | preglow | and not needed for long, hopefully |
| 21:08:13 | n1s | and as always I will need to find someone to test it for me as I still don't have any other target than my h300 but that is for tomorrow |
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| 21:08:53 | tomtom | hi |
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| 21:11:24 | preglow | i've got a nano |
| 21:11:39 | tomtom | I've just heard of rockbox for the first time. I'm having some questions and I hope someone has a second for me |
| 21:11:41 | preglow | looking at the interp function i can't see anything obviously wrong with it |
| 21:11:48 | n1s | I'll nag you when I have a patch then ;) |
| 21:11:48 | preglow | tomtom: just ask |
| 21:11:58 | amiconn | preglow: codecs can't use iram for dma either. Only the core can |
| 21:12:17 | amiconn | ...unless you mean that the buffer will reside in core iram |
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| 21:13:37 | tomtom | what formats of music can be played with an ipod "updated" with rockbox? can it really be filled with drm protected songs? |
| 21:13:40 | amiconn | I wonder whether swapping would be a good idea. It would mean that codecs and plugins could use dma, but the core in turn couldn't |
| 21:13:49 | preglow | tomtom: no drm |
| 21:14:01 | preglow | tomtom: we'll probably never support drm, we don't like it |
| 21:14:09 | tomtom | but wma itself is possible? |
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| 21:14:18 | preglow | tomtom: yup, but it's a work in progress |
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| 21:14:25 | amiconn | There's no way around that; only one of the 2 iram blocks of the coldfires supports dma |
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| 21:14:38 | scorche|w | tomtom: and see SoundCodecs (wikipage) for supported codecs |
| 21:14:56 | n1s | amiconn: do we use dma for iram in the core? |
| 21:14:57 | amiconn | 5249 has 64KB of dma capable iram, and 32KB of non-dma capable iram. 5250 has 64KB of each type |
| 21:14:58 | preglow | amiconn: codecs have no need for dma since it passes the buffer on to the core anyway |
| 21:15:09 | preglow | amiconn: midiplay is a plugin, which is why it's an issue |
| 21:15:29 | amiconn | Plugins and codecs have the same issue... unless codecs also memcpy() |
| 21:16:55 | tomtom | is it - as a matter of principle - possible that apple's ipod will be made compatible with drm protected wma files ever or is this rather a pipe dream? |
| 21:17:02 | n1s | or maybe we could device some linkerscript hack to let us decide what it puts inside the 16kB of dma capable plugin/codec iram |
| 21:17:31 | Llorean | tomtom: If it ever happens, it won't be by way of Rockbox. |
| 21:18:10 | amiconn | n1s: That won't help the iaudios |
| 21:18:12 | n1s | tomtom: that would probably be illegal in parts of the world etc. |
| 21:18:29 | n1s | amiconn: ah do they have 64/64 split? |
| 21:18:33 | amiconn | yes |
| 21:18:34 | preglow | amiconn: codecs don't care, if any memcpy happens, it's the core doing it, and probably in the form of src point begin iram and dst pointer being ram in some process |
| 21:18:51 | tomtom | yes you're right, stupid idea... |
| 21:19:19 | preglow | Llorean: keep in mind that rockbox would probably end up in legal trouble if we ever DID implement drm support |
| 21:19:22 | outside | - |
| 21:19:22 | preglow | ehh |
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| 21:19:25 | preglow | tomtom: that was for you |
| 21:19:35 | amiconn | n1s: I stumbled upon that when digging for the reason why rockboy hung on X5... |
| 21:19:43 | preglow | drm isn't very open source friendly |
| 21:19:57 | n1s | I wonder if any plugin or codec uses that extra 16 KB |
| 21:20:01 | amiconn | It worked *by chance* on H1x0/H300, because the audio output buffer was in the first 16KB of plugin iram |
| 21:20:21 | amiconn | n1s: Not yet, but the core does neither |
| 21:20:37 | amiconn | It just feels logical to do a fair split |
| 21:21:04 | tomtom | that's propably right, preglow |
| 21:21:04 | amiconn | (unless it doesn't make sense like on archos) |
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| 21:22:59 | amiconn | n1s: How big buffers are we talking, btw? |
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| 21:23:23 | amiconn | Perhaps they could be put on the stack. plugins run in the main thread, and the main stack is in core iram |
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| 21:27:40 | n1s | amiconn: we can choose pretty freely, currently the output buffer is 32kB but before that it was just 1 |
| 21:28:15 | n1s | How big is the stack? |
| 21:29:06 | tomtom | what do you think about everyone having his own codecs and restrictions for his players today? shoudln't every customer be able to decide what player he wants to fill with what music from what supplier? |
| 21:30:00 | tomtom | or do you support the politics of the big companies? |
| 21:30:35 | n1s | tomtom: what are you getting at? |
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| 21:30:43 | BigBambi | tomtom: I don't really understand the question |
| 21:30:53 | amiconn | Main stack is 8KB but a fair bit is needed for other stuff |
| 21:31:05 | amiconn | I think 2KB buffer on stack would be affordable |
| 21:31:34 | preglow | tomtom: that is what most of us think |
| 21:31:48 | preglow | tomtom: and that is why we support a very great number of codecs |
| 21:31:53 | n1s | amiconn: that will probably increase skipping, but it's definitely worth testing |
| 21:32:06 | preglow | tomtom: i can stuff all files i have on my computer straight onto a dap with rockbox, and it will all play as it is |
| 21:32:21 | preglow | tomtom: that includes mp3 files, aac files, vorbis files, flac wiles, wavpack files, wav files, spc files |
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| 21:34:46 | tomtom | yes of yourse rockbos supports as much as formats as possible but what I'm talking about is the approach of the industry |
| 21:35:02 | preglow | the industry isn't something we can do anything about |
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| 21:36:29 | BigBambi | tomtom: We just do our own thing |
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| 21:36:53 | * | BigBambi is using the we losely, personally I do very little :) |
| 21:37:00 | * | BigBambi also can't spell |
| 21:38:01 | tomtom | yes that's right, of course we can't and your project including your ambitions are great but what I wanted to know is what you think about those harassments. |
| 21:38:40 | amiconn | petur: funny bug... |
| 21:38:49 | petur | yup |
| 21:39:10 | BigBambi | Which harassments? It'd be nice if the world were open and DRM less, but it isn't but rockbox exists |
| 21:39:23 | Llorean | tomtom: But, this channel is about #rockbox, both support and technical details. That sort of thing is off topic here. |
| 21:39:44 | TMM | tomtom: in my opinion: in the end, it's not going to be viable for most companies to build their own proprietary firmwares. Some companies will start shipping rockbox as their default firmware and their players will sell for a lot less, DRM free. |
| 21:40:08 | * | BigBambi points tomtom at #rockbox-community |
| 21:40:21 | TMM | tomtom: people keep forgetting that DRM is fucking EXPENSIVE :) |
| 21:40:27 | tomtom | that would be great |
| 21:40:57 | TMM | but yeah -community for this |
| 21:41:12 | tomtom | you're right, let's stop here |
| 21:41:29 | tomtom | ... and wait till rockbox is available for 6th generation^^ |
| 21:42:05 | BigBambi | Keep on waiting |
| 21:42:09 | Llorean | tomtom: That discussion will never be on-topic for this channel. |
| 21:42:34 | TMM | tomtom: start hacking! or stop buying hardware with eaten apples on it |
| 21:43:17 | TMM | tomtom: that bite from the apple is a symbol for the part of the soul you lost when you bought it :) |
| 21:45:09 | tomtom | propably^^ |
| 21:45:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: around? |
| 21:46:46 | linuxstb | amiconn: Yes. |
| 21:47:20 | amiconn | linuxstb: Just checking; maybe I'll soon have something that would need testing on a color... |
| 21:47:55 | linuxstb | OK. I should be around for a few hours. |
| 21:49:09 | * | amiconn wants to clean up the PP colour lcd drivers (color/nano and H10), and port the fast update to the H10 |
| 21:49:46 | amiconn | If it doesn't work on H10 out of the box, a register dump from a color might be helpful |
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| 21:58:25 | Nico_P | petur: what is it ? |
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| 21:58:56 | petur | "Connection reset by beer" |
| 21:59:13 | Nico_P | haha |
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| 22:19:45 | Bagder | sansapatcher time |
| 22:20:58 | tumu | would there be any idea in implementing zip/rar filter in front of codecs? |
| 22:21:11 | Bagder | in front of? |
| 22:21:33 | tumu | so that codecs itself don't need to have the support for archives |
| 22:21:39 | * | Domonoky sees there is a new release of sansapatcher.. is it only a new bootloader ? |
| 22:22:13 | tumu | mainly for computer generated music files which usually are archived for space reasons |
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| 22:23:14 | linuxstb | Domonoky: Yes. Nothing to do for rbutil. |
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| 22:23:54 | Domonoky | only the bootloader on download.rockbox.org has to be updated.. |
| 22:25:08 | Bagder | no sansapatcher too |
| 22:25:12 | tumu | i think the current codec api would work nicely even when dealing with archives |
| 22:25:14 | n1s | tumu: yes there are some plans for a separate loader for some formats such as midi and xm |
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| 22:26:06 | linuxstb | tumu: That would mean adding zip support to the file browser and other parts of Rockbox... (rar is closed and horrible...) |
| 22:26:32 | tumu | linuxstb, there is open source unrar available |
| 22:26:41 | Bagder | that doesn't make the format open though |
| 22:27:09 | TMM | tumu: the license of the unrar utility is quite horrendous |
| 22:27:09 | tumu | well, i'm not planning on having rockbox making the archives, so.. :) |
| 22:27:22 | TMM | tumu: very, very GPL incompatible |
| 22:28:05 | Bagder | rar is evil |
| 22:28:17 | tumu | anyways, licenses aside |
| 22:28:18 | rasher | It's probably also prohibitively slow |
| 22:28:31 | rasher | It'd make more sense to unpack on your computer |
| 22:28:35 | rasher | space issues aside |
| 22:28:50 | TMM | there is a pure GPL unrar utility as well afaik |
| 22:28:54 | tumu | rar can be replaced with other as capable ones |
| 22:29:02 | TMM | reverse engineered, but it won't unpack everything made the last 3 years |
| 22:29:07 | tumu | so i don't consider it as an issue |
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| 22:29:41 | Bagder | linuxstb: I got two mi4 files from barry for this update, do you happen to know what firmware.mi4 is in this context as compared to PP5022.mi4 ? |
| 22:30:02 | linuxstb | Is that the c200 bootloader? |
| 22:30:18 | Bagder | ah, could be |
| 22:30:21 | Bagder | I better ask him |
| 22:30:26 | Zagor | firmware is c200 and PP5022 is e200 iirc |
| 22:30:27 | linuxstb | I'm guessing barry didn't build an e200r? |
| 22:30:44 | Bagder | it doesn't look like that |
| 22:32:10 | amiconn | linuxstb: Care to test a patch for me on color? |
| 22:32:26 | amiconn | Should probably also be tested on nano... |
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| 22:33:11 | linuxstb | amiconn: Sure. |
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| 22:33:43 | amiconn | I'm mainly interested in whether lcd works stable |
| 22:33:51 | linuxstb | If you want to DCC it, send it to linuxstb_ |
| 22:33:52 | amiconn | There should also be a slight speedup |
| 22:34:19 | linuxstb | Should I build test_fps then? |
| 22:34:24 | Klevi | Is there a way to unbrick a sansa that does nothing when you try to turn it on? |
| 22:34:29 | jhMikeS | amiconn: It appears that clock skipping when scaling is obligatory when using the COP at least on 5020. Otherwise it's super happy dual core there. :) I just need to add that ingredient. No freezes ever from any sort of core sync now. |
| 22:34:59 | amiconn | linuxstb: amiconn.dyndns.org/pp-color-lcd.diff">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/pp-color-lcd.diff |
| 22:35:47 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Then why does the ipod firmware not need clock skipping when scaling? |
| 22:36:21 | jhMikeS | Maybe it's device-dependent? The H10 firmware does. |
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| 22:37:07 | jhMikeS | I can say for sure it's that on H10 and it corrupts the RAM if you don't. |
| 22:37:08 | amiconn | Doesn't make much sense imho. Scaling is purely PP internal |
| 22:37:32 | amiconn | Oddity |
| 22:37:49 | preglow | clock skipping? |
| 22:37:53 | jhMikeS | It's the only thing that ever causes a problem. If it stays boosted, there are no problems. |
| 22:37:56 | amiconn | linuxstb: It would be great if you could run test_fps before & after |
| 22:38:07 | krazykit | Klevi, depends on what "nothing" means. have you tried putting it in recovery mode? |
| 22:38:21 | amiconn | (just to check whether my optimisations don't cause the opposite of what they should) |
| 22:38:26 | Klevi | Nothing, meaning that only the menu and button lights come on =/ |
| 22:38:27 | jhMikeS | preglow: the processor control registers let the cores lay idle for certain amounts of time |
| 22:38:33 | linuxstb | amiconn: OK, will do. |
| 22:38:37 | Klevi | I cant get into diag mode |
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| 22:39:12 | preglow | jhMikeS: and how does that relate to scaling? |
| 22:39:46 | Klevi | I formatted my sansa completly by accident in class today, it was in my pocket. |
| 22:39:58 | linuxstb | Klevi: What do you mean by "diag mode" ? |
| 22:40:05 | jhMikeS | preglow: H10 crashes if the COP is in use during switches. We don't see it because the COP is normally in idle mode. mpegplayer doesn't crash out because it only runs boosted. |
| 22:40:29 | preglow | what a piece of shit portalplayer is starting to sound like |
| 22:40:35 | Klevi | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaC200Port |
| 22:40:38 | preglow | they probably don't even _have_ specs |
| 22:40:51 | preglow | they just tweak around bugs as they go and force everyone to use their libs |
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| 22:41:19 | jhMikeS | hehe...they did correct this trouble. I thought it was the concurrent write in Peterson's algorthim so I tried Dekker's (which only writes turn upon unlock) but no change. |
| 22:42:31 | Klevi | Am i SOL? |
| 22:42:31 | krazykit | Klevi, if it screwed up like that just in your pocked, my guess would be that it's hardware rather than software |
| 22:43:02 | Klevi | no, it said format complete, right on the screen whe nI looked at it |
| 22:43:10 | Klevi | then it shut off. |
| 22:43:15 | preglow | jhMikeS: so you're getting closer with the dual core stuff? |
| 22:43:30 | Zagor | Klevi: I formatted my c200 just the other day. what's the problem? |
| 22:43:33 | preglow | jhMikeS: you have any special stress tests you use to see if things are up to par? |
| 22:43:38 | jhMikeS | preglow: it works...period. I just need to make the scaling behave. |
| 22:43:44 | Klevi | It wont turn back on after formatting it. |
| 22:43:52 | Zagor | I even gave it fat32 :) |
| 22:43:57 | preglow | jhMikeS: cool, then we need to make people start talking about preemptive multitasking soon :P |
| 22:44:03 | Zagor | Klevi: are you on linux? |
| 22:44:13 | Klevi | No, I can be, but then i lack an internet connection |
| 22:44:13 | jhMikeS | preglow: the dual-core queue_test plugins and a version of the dual-core SPC codec (which uses sems and events) |
| 22:44:27 | Klevi | But, your saying there is a way to fix this? |
| 22:44:35 | jhMikeS | preglow: hehe...it's not far off from that |
| 22:45:06 | preglow | jhMikeS: i would imagine not, making your current code go preemptive is probably mostly a question of making rockbox apps/ code do threading properly |
| 22:45:12 | jhMikeS | I mean I can lock it by killing the spc thread from View OS Stacks, but that's it. |
| 22:45:12 | Zagor | Klevi: I don't know what state your player is in, so I can't tell. but I'd like to know what "fdisk -l /dev/sda" says in linux |
| 22:45:24 | * | amiconn is going to extend test_fps |
| 22:45:40 | Klevi | Ill try getting my laptop online, one miute |
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| 22:46:09 | Zagor | the sansa OF has a formatting option, but one would assume it doesn't brick the player... |
| 22:46:21 | jhMikeS | preglow: I think most concern there would hardly be a concern with a "narrow" interface that dispatches and serializes things. |
| 22:46:40 | fm2 | petur: hello petur. Why the need to explicitly declare the size of the array in fireworks.c? |
| 22:47:14 | preglow | and making people write proper multi-threading code, of course |
| 22:47:16 | fm2 | Wouldn't a declaration with just [] do the same? |
| 22:47:22 | preglow | i've got things to learn in that department myself... |
| 22:47:25 | * | jhMikeS suggests int myarray[strlen(s)]; <== totally legal :) |
| 22:47:46 | amiconn | jhMikeS: Urgh, that would be runtime... |
| 22:48:05 | jhMikeS | well, it's an alternative to _alloca anyway |
| 22:48:38 | amiconn | Yes, it's even standard C99 |
| 22:48:50 | amiconn | But I would avoid it if not absolutely necessary |
| 22:48:50 | preglow | c99 supports dynamically sized local storage? |
| 22:48:56 | Bagder | yes |
| 22:48:58 | preglow | cool |
| 22:49:01 | preglow | i love that feature |
| 22:49:09 | preglow | and it has so very little runtime overhead |
| 22:49:11 | jhMikeS | is a subtract from the sp a big deal? |
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| 22:49:46 | amiconn | jhMikeS: The strlen() is the overhead... |
| 22:50:15 | jhMikeS | well, if you use it anyhow it's not more. It does depend of course. |
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| 22:50:53 | amiconn | The subtract from SP is not, of course. It's just variable instead of constant |
| 22:51:03 | fm2 | What do the => and ===> mean in the list box with the forums? |
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| 22:52:44 | jhMikeS | it would probably need sp+n for locals and fp=sp-size for the dynamic stuff. It could have a tiny bit more than the sp change. |
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| 22:53:07 | Klevi | alright laptops on |
| 22:53:12 | amiconn | We always comiple using -fomit-frame-pointer |
| 22:53:18 | amiconn | *compile |
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| 22:53:40 | jhMikeS | probably won't work here then unless an explicit switch off is possible per function |
| 22:53:47 | * | p3tur kicks his router |
| 22:54:02 | fm2 | bluebrother: you're a forum moderator, right? Any comments about the purpose of => and ===>? Why the different length? |
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| 22:54:20 | jhMikeS | petur: A network router or a woodworking tool?? |
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| 22:54:28 | fm2 | p3tur: are you the same person as petur? |
| 22:54:31 | linuxstb | amiconn: Patch seems to work fine. test_fps with your patch (30MHz) - 19.5fps fullscreen and 75.5fps 1/4 screen. @80MHz - 51.5fps fullscreen and 202.0fps 1/4 screen. |
| 22:54:47 | jhMikeS | oh, yes..."p3tur" today...woops |
| 22:55:17 | petur | this dlink router crashes when somebody downloads a big file from my pc :( |
| 22:55:18 | jhMikeS | now he switched back again |
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| 22:55:58 | amiconn | linuxstb: Ok, so basically no speed change |
| 22:56:09 | Zagor | Klevi: what happens when you turn on your sansa? |
| 22:56:21 | amiconn | (assuming the values in LcdFrameRate are still valid for the Color) |
| 22:56:34 | Klevi | Zagor, just a blank screen |
| 22:56:45 | amiconn | petur: Is one of the PCs on wireless? |
| 22:57:12 | amiconn | linuxstb: No crashes/freezes/hangs? |
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| 22:57:28 | Klevi | by the way, Zagor what command did you want me to run with linux? |
| 22:57:38 | linuxstb | amiconn: I've just reverted your patch, and will run test_fps again. |
| 22:58:31 | petur | amiconn: yes, but not the one that hosts, and the client is from the internet, so no wireless involved except my laptop |
| 22:58:34 | linuxstb | amiconn: SVN is identical... |
| 22:58:47 | Zagor | Klevi: try connecting your sansa to usb, and run "tail -f /var/log/kern.log" to see if it registers |
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| 22:58:54 | Klevi | okay |
| 22:59:08 | Klevi | windows came up with USB device |
| 22:59:14 | amiconn | petur: I had the same issue with a netgear (copying large files between wireless and wired clients crashed the router) |
| 22:59:28 | amiconn | I now replaced it... no crashes so far |
| 22:59:42 | Zagor | Klevi: how big? |
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| 22:59:57 | petur | amiconn: different issue here - found a newer firmware, will disconnect soon ;) |
| 22:59:57 | Klevi | wouldnt recognize it. |
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| 23:00:09 | jhMikeS | preglow: I did do something to single core that's making it behave oddly after adding the alternate locking. Do doubt just a dumb error. It cropped up last time I majorly changed the patch around. I hate that...so boring to track even if simple. |
| 23:00:14 | Zagor | what does kern.log say? |
| 23:00:19 | jhMikeS | *No doubt |
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| 23:00:52 | Klevi | Zagor only wireless devices came up under that command. |
| 23:01:10 | Klevi | nothing dealing with USB |
| 23:01:22 | linuxstb | amiconn: I've installed your patch again, and it seems stable. |
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| 23:01:37 | Klevi | ill brb |
| 23:02:05 | amiconn | I got gfx glitches from applying the same idea to H10.. but there's a bug in svn already (I think) |
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| 23:03:24 | signuts | beer! |
| 23:03:39 | preglow | shut up!!"¤ |
| 23:03:50 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Can you build an e200r bootloader to go with the other two? It's not used by sansapatcher, and has a different mi4 encoding to the vanilla e200. |
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| 23:06:37 | jhMikeS | beer beer beer beer beer!! |
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| 23:06:47 | petur | argh |
| 23:07:13 | Klevi | back |
| 23:07:34 | Klevi | Zagor, you mentioned another command earlier, what was it? |
| 23:07:40 | * | jhMikeS shouldn't have done that...for his own sake too |
| 23:07:41 | * | preglow covers ears and sings |
| 23:07:47 | Zagor | Klevi: it assumed you got a usb connection |
| 23:07:49 | amiconn | hrmmmm |
| 23:08:13 | Klevi | i do. |
| 23:08:25 | Zagor | Klevi: I thought you said it wasn't recognized? |
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| 23:08:41 | Klevi | under windows it isnr |
| 23:08:41 | Klevi | *t |
| 23:09:02 | Klevi | it comes up as USB Device. from there it does nothing |
| 23:09:04 | *** | Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" |
| 23:09:14 | Zagor | Klevi: so you can't browse it? |
| 23:09:18 | Klevi | no |
| 23:09:28 | preglow | Zagor: how's usb going, by the way? |
| 23:09:32 | * | jhMikeS may put b-word refences in the kernel now :P |
| 23:09:36 | Klevi | Nothing happens, the backlight for the lcd doesnt come on either |
| 23:09:47 | Zagor | preglow: pretty good. I'm starting with the ata/scsi translation code now. |
| 23:09:57 | preglow | Zagor: really looking forward to this |
| 23:10:03 | Zagor | me too :) |
| 23:10:12 | barrywardell | linuxstb: will do. I didn't realise it was different |
| 23:10:23 | Zagor | Klevi: do the buttons light up? |
| 23:10:43 | Klevi | lsusb brings up Sansa Corp |
| 23:10:47 | Klevi | er |
| 23:10:53 | Klevi | "Sandisk corp |
| 23:10:58 | Klevi | Yes |
| 23:10:59 | jhMikeS | Zagor: you took over the USB project? |
| 23:11:16 | Bagder | jhMikeS: http://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2007/10/10/rockbox-usb/ |
| 23:11:22 | Zagor | jhMikeS: well I sort of restarted it. I'm writing a new implementation from scratch. |
| 23:12:26 | Klevi | Theres nothing I can really do here is there? |
| 23:12:34 | * | amiconn found the glitching problem |
| 23:13:21 | Zagor | Klevi: run "lsusb -v | less". look for the "endpoints" below the sandisk entry. you should have two "bulk" endpoints. |
| 23:13:32 | Klevi | nods*** |
| 23:13:33 | Zagor | if so, you should be able to mount it in linux too |
| 23:13:52 | amiconn | ...or not :\ |
| 23:13:55 | barrywardell | linuxstb: sent to Bagder |
| 23:14:01 | jhMikeS | I take it any paragraphs-length writups on threading should probably be on a wiki page and not in comments in thread.c? Maybe a reference "See xxxx for details?" |
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| 23:14:23 | Bagder | got them |
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| 23:15:11 | Zagor | jhMikeS: how about both? I know I would prefer an explanation in the code rather than hunting around on the web for it. |
| 23:15:27 | Zagor | ...if I were digging around in the code, that is |
| 23:15:43 | preglow | i'd rather have it in the code |
| 23:15:52 | Klevi | so then, how would I mount it? |
| 23:15:55 | jhMikeS | Zagor: That's why I wanted to point to it there. It really should have some writup on how it operates. |
| 23:16:12 | Klevi | mount /dev/sda? |
| 23:16:29 | Zagor | Klevi: well do you have a /dev/sda device? |
| 23:16:30 | linuxstb | But if it's too long, maybe just a URL in the code? |
| 23:16:54 | jhMikeS | Zagor: there's also explanations on _how_ to implement certain routines so any target gets all the low-lag benefits and such. |
| 23:17:01 | Klevi | Yeah, thats what it used to come up as |
| 23:17:41 | Zagor | Klevi: then try "fdisk -l /dev/sda" and post the result on http://pastebin.com/ |
| 23:18:00 | Klevi | but if it isnt booting anything it wont be in fstab |
| 23:18:12 | Zagor | fstab has nothing to do with this |
| 23:18:29 | Klevi | Well, if it isnt in there i cant mount it, thats why i said |
| 23:19:18 | Klevi | ? no result.. |
| 23:19:30 | Zagor | _no_ result? not even an error message? |
| 23:19:35 | Klevi | nothing at all |
| 23:22:21 | preglow | jhMikeS: anyway, if you're feeling suicidal, there's no reason NOT to fix up rockbox code to do thread communication properly. after that's done, a quick preemptive threading showcase would be cool (and probably needed to convince some people) :P |
| 23:22:23 | advcomp2019 | does anyone knows why rockbox is picking up the fm radio frequencies off frequency now |
| 23:22:23 | Zagor | ah right, fdisk doesn't say anything |
| 23:22:23 | Zagor | Klevi: so what does "ls /dev/sd*" say? |
| 23:22:23 | Bagder | sansapatcher + sansa bootloaders updated |
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| 23:22:59 | Klevi | Unable to mount /dev/sda |
| 23:22:59 | barrywardell | yay :) |
| 23:23:36 | zicho | Klevi: Shouldnt it be like "/dev/sda1"? |
| 23:23:39 | [IDC]Dragon | hi guys! |
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| 23:23:52 | Klevi | I told you it isnt mounting at all |
| 23:24:03 | Bagder | look an [IDC]Dragon! ;-) |
| 23:24:04 | Zagor | Klevi: that was not the output from 'ls /dev/sd*' |
| 23:24:06 | Klevi | Normally, yes.... oh wait misread nick... |
| 23:24:11 | Klevi | sorry. |
| 23:24:32 | [IDC]Dragon | does somebody know if the Archos 605 is somewhat of an open platform? |
| 23:24:49 | Bagder | I believe the archos guys use linux |
| 23:24:49 | [IDC]Dragon | (it runs linux, so...) |
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| 23:25:00 | Klevi | no, theres no such directory as "/dev/sda" |
| 23:25:00 | Bagder | but I doubt they release their modules' source code |
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| 23:25:24 | [IDC]Dragon | it would be OK if I can compile for it |
| 23:25:25 | Bagder | [IDC]Dragon: that a dm320 target? |
| 23:25:32 | Zagor | Klevi: did you find any bulk endpoints in lsusb -v? |
| 23:25:37 | [IDC]Dragon | I'm not sure |
| 23:26:26 | [IDC]Dragon | I stubled over that device yesterday, it could be a nice portable browser |
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| 23:26:37 | Klevi-Dinner | Ill be back soon |
| 23:26:39 | [IDC]Dragon | smaller than the Nokia 800 |
| 23:27:20 | [IDC]Dragon | with the same screen |
| 23:27:38 | advcomp2019 | some fm frequencies are 0.05MHz and some are 0.1MHz off |
| 23:27:38 | linuxstb | [IDC]Dragon: You could try archopen, although their website isn't the clearest. |
| 23:27:41 | rasher | http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/14/archos-605-and-405-details-hands-on/ Wow, they really want your wallet. |
| 23:28:05 | Bagder | I find no proper dissection on it |
| 23:28:29 | amiconn | linuxstb: is your Color LCD type 0 or type 1? |
| 23:28:45 | linuxstb | amiconn: Good question. It's a type 1. |
| 23:28:47 | jhMikeS | preglow: I think playback is the first code that will get extensive treatment there. |
| 23:28:56 | preglow | jhMikeS: it's probably what needs it most |
| 23:29:25 | linuxstb | amiconn: I don't know of anyone with a type 0, but if their ipod was sold as a "Photo" then the chances are high. |
| 23:29:25 | [IDC]Dragon | it's almost as small as an ipod touch, but has way better screen resolution |
| 23:29:29 | jhMikeS | it hardly survives as it is. _after_ the MoB patch of course which should ease things. |
| 23:30:06 | amiconn | linuxstb: For type 1, it looks like a slight speedup is possible (gleaned from H10 - the wait_write is only necessary every other write for 8-bit width as it seems) |
| 23:30:31 | amiconn | I'll make a patch |
| 23:30:31 | webmind | rasher, sounds like something you want to run some oss on |
| 23:30:55 | amiconn | Is the nano always type1? |
| 23:31:08 | linuxstb | Yes. |
| 23:31:17 | amiconn | ok |
| 23:32:44 | pixelma | advcomp2019: something isn't stable with the radio (maybe an initialisation problem?). But I sometimes got that too - then most of the times a reboot helps, low_light reported that he had to set the frequency region setting in the OF again (on c200 though but it has the same tuner chip). I had one occasion where the radio wasn't detected by Rockbox after starting it in the OF once it was back in Rockbox too |
| 23:33:50 | * | [IDC]Dragon will buy a Sansa, you may see me again then |
| 23:34:08 | Bagder | [IDC]Dragon: old timers revival then! |
| 23:34:09 | * | [IDC]Dragon is in gadget-buying mode |
| 23:34:14 | Bagder | even zagor is back ;-) |
| 23:34:21 | [IDC]Dragon | the dollar is so cheap! |
| 23:34:27 | Bagder | haha, indeed |
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| 23:34:33 | Zagor | Bagder: :) |
| 23:34:48 | [IDC]Dragon | I hope customs won't dissect me |
| 23:35:20 | advcomp2019 | pixelma, i seen something in the middle part of the fm frequencies.. it is like flowing up and down now |
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| 23:35:32 | [IDC]Dragon | the US sansa has an FM radio? |
| 23:35:45 | Bagder | yes |
| 23:35:52 | Bagder | but there are euro ones with fm too |
| 23:36:05 | Bagder | if we're talking e200 |
| 23:36:13 | pixelma | there are radio Sansas available in Europe too |
| 23:36:16 | [IDC]Dragon | e280, yes |
| 23:36:17 | amiconn | linuxstb: New patch up: amiconn.dyndns.org/pp-color-lcd2.diff">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/pp-color-lcd2.diff |
| 23:36:22 | Bagder | the c200 seem to all have fm, even if not said to ;-) |
| 23:37:44 | preglow | so we're not the only ones having a good dollar now |
| 23:38:24 | Bagder | right, it is the dollar that is low so that goes for plenty people |
| 23:38:45 | Bagder | even canadians go US to shop now I hear... |
| 23:39:13 | sin613 | they've always come here. i live an hour from the border, and my town is always swamped with people from canada. |
| 23:39:15 | [IDC]Dragon | european consumer electronic retailes still convert 1:1 and cash the rest |
| 23:39:29 | sin613 | every weekend. they drive campers down and park in the walmart parking lot |
| 23:40:07 | amiconn | @Nano owners: This patch should ideally also be tested on nano |
| 23:40:17 | linuxstb | amiconn: It doesn't link - undefined reference to lcd_send_lo |
| 23:40:54 | rasher | [IDC]Dragon: even worse for the brits |
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| 23:41:12 | pixelma | [IDC]Dragon: but you're currently not in New York City by any chance? |
| 23:41:25 | amiconn | linuxstb: oops - I'll check |
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| 23:42:38 | amiconn | Ah, lcd_update_rect() and lcd_yuv_blit() try to send commands directly that way - need to fix |
| 23:42:52 | [IDC]Dragon | pixelma: no, I'm in silicon valley |
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| 23:45:53 | scorche|w | hmph |
| 23:48:16 | luckz | hl |
| 23:49:08 | linuxstb | [IDC]Dragon: You're not interested in porting to a new device? |
| 23:51:05 | [IDC]Dragon | which would that be? |
| 23:51:16 | * | [IDC]Dragon has already done that... |
| 23:51:22 | linuxstb | Good question... |
| 23:51:33 | amiconn | linuxstb: New patch up: amiconn.dyndns.org/pp-color-lcd3.diff">http://amiconn.dyndns.org/pp-color-lcd3.diff |
| 23:51:38 | linuxstb | There's a definite lack of nice DAPs at the moment... |
| 23:51:41 | amiconn | ^^ verified to build this time :) |
| 23:51:46 | linuxstb | ;) |
| 23:51:52 | [IDC]Dragon | I thought you're gonna advertise one |
| 23:52:16 | [IDC]Dragon | the nano 3g is nice... |
| 23:52:18 | bluebrother | linuxstb: did you have had any chance checking FS #7913? |
| 23:52:45 | * | amiconn thinks the nano 3g is ugly |
| 23:52:50 | preglow | it is |
| 23:52:58 | preglow | and it really isn't nice to use either |
| 23:52:59 | [IDC]Dragon | did that guy return with the apple datasheets? ;-) |
| 23:53:00 | preglow | fits poorly in the hand |
| 23:53:01 | linuxstb | bluebrother: Didn't I already write a patch for that? |
| 23:53:05 | bluebrother | the nano 3g has the nickname "fatty" for a reason ;-) |
| 23:53:06 | amiconn | Too big for a flash based dap, even though it's thin |
| 23:53:17 | bluebrother | linuxstb: did you write a patch? I only remember you trying it out |
| 23:53:34 | bluebrother | but I might have missed that patch |
| 23:53:46 | * | amiconn would like to see a port to the shuffle (2nd or 3rd gen), or the classic |
| 23:53:52 | [IDC]Dragon | have you held it? I found it amazingly small |
| 23:53:59 | amiconn | yes |
| 23:54:08 | preglow | it's too short |
| 23:54:08 | [IDC]Dragon | almost like an after eight wafer |
| 23:54:14 | preglow | it kept slipping around in my hand when i tried to navigate |
| 23:54:16 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I'll try and look at it tomorrow - I need to do something else this evening, and my ibook is elsewhere. |
| 23:54:17 | preglow | the nano1g fits perfectly |
| 23:54:25 | [IDC]Dragon | hot-glue it to a stick! |
| 23:54:29 | amiconn | yesBut even those aren't *that* nice, as they have no radio, as all ipods, and no recording either |
| 23:54:31 | bluebrother | no hurries. |
| 23:54:42 | * | preglow thinks he's done with ipods |
| 23:54:52 | linuxstb | bluebrother: I think I'll need to get libusb working as well... I'm not sure how that works with univeral binaries... |
| 23:54:54 | amiconn | ...and that touch stuff |
| 23:54:57 | [IDC]Dragon | so this all sounds like Sansa then |
| 23:55:09 | bluebrother | ah, ok. |
| 23:55:19 | amiconn | Although, the Nano (1st gen) and video have the best (so far) LCDs of all our colour targets |
| 23:55:43 | linuxstb | There are lots of telechips devices out there, but they all seem flash based. |
| 23:55:43 | amiconn | I'm talking about the actual panels |
| 23:56:49 | * | linuxstb agrees with preglow about ipods |
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| 23:58:58 | Kayasha-kun | Hello people, got a quick question |
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