| 00:00:04 | Zagor | compile. connect. boot. wait for device. copy. disconnect. wait for database refresh. turn off. turn on. connect. read usbmon output. disconnect. turn off. repeat... |
| 00:00:11 | Zagor | the story of my life |
| 00:00:52 | amiconn | Zagor: Do you know how the magic bytes for the various e200 firmwares were figured out |
| 00:01:03 | Zagor | which magic bytes? |
| 00:01:16 | amiconn | The ones which need to be set in order to suppress the db update |
| 00:01:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: Does voice generation work for multiple languages, or just English? |
| 00:02:05 | Zagor | ah those. I think bagder mentioned comparing the contents of partition 2 before and after refresh. |
| 00:02:16 | Bagder | exactly |
| 00:02:34 | rasher | LambdaCalculus37: It works (with some quirks in some cases) for all languages with an available TTS engine |
| 00:02:39 | Bagder | I believe barry and jdgordon were involved |
| 00:03:36 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: Since Tagalog doesn |
| 00:03:36 | amiconn | Hmm. Looks like we could speed up mpegplayer a good deal on G5 |
| 00:03:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | 'Oops. |
| 00:04:04 | amiconn | lcd_update() achieves 39.5fps when boosted, but lcd_yuv_blit() only manages 15.5fps |
| 00:04:06 | LambdaCalculus37 | Since Tagalog doesn't have certain letters like "V" and "C", they're replaced with "B" and "K". |
| 00:04:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | The vowels are the same as in most Latin languages. |
| 00:04:36 | * | amiconn will soon commit his improved test_fps |
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| 00:11:00 | LambdaCalculus37 | Should I commit the lang file to Flyspray when it's ready? (Silly question, I know.) |
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| 00:12:06 | rasher | LambdaCalculus37: well, yes |
| 00:13:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: Okay. Once I start getting a decent amount of the phrases translated, I'll commit it. |
| 00:14:05 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll keep maintaining it as my girlfriend and I find more phrases. |
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| 00:32:08 | LambdaCalculus37 | Damn... this is harder than I thought... |
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| 00:36:19 | Bagder | me and LinusN are both in China for a week, taking off tomorrow afternoon |
| 00:36:44 | LambdaCalculus37 | Bagder: Bring lots of pictures! :) |
| 00:36:49 | Bagder | Zagor's left behind to babysit the servers ;-) |
| 00:36:54 | scorche | will Zagor be around to poke servers, etc? |
| 00:36:57 | scorche | :) |
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| 00:43:55 | Zagor | can I get some more eyes on figure 32-78 in the imx31 manual? (pg 1389 in the pdf) |
| 00:44:22 | Zagor | doesn't that array look rather backwards? yet the text mentions nothing special. |
| 00:48:25 | Zagor | what kind of person draws a regular array upside down in the reference manual, if it's not? |
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| 00:51:07 | XavierGr | Bagder, Linus: Have a nice trip then, and make some nice memories. (Bagder you will blog it won't you) :D |
| 00:51:44 | webmind | ttp://bash.org/?814572 |
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| 00:52:50 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: Still around? |
| 00:53:02 | rasher | LambdaCalculus37: barely |
| 00:53:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: Can I drop the file into my DAP and just load it in Rockbox to test it, or do I have to include it in /apps/lang/ in the source, then compile? |
| 00:54:51 | rasher | LambdaCalculus37: it needs to be converted into a binary language file (.lng). Doing so manually is more bother than manually compiling |
| 00:55:54 | rasher | Let me clarify: Using genlang to convert the language file is more bother than compiling all of Rockbox since the build system handles all the details |
| 00:56:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | rasher: So compiling it is, then. |
| 00:56:38 | LambdaCalculus37 | Just to test. |
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| 00:58:39 | amiconn | Zagor: Do we have the TWiki TablePlugin installed? |
| 00:59:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | Still going to post to FlySpray, though. |
| 00:59:19 | Zagor | I don't remember. checking... |
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| 00:59:58 | Zagor | amiconn: yes we do |
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| 01:00:13 | amiconn | Hmm, it seems I can't get rowspan to work.... |
| 01:00:29 | Zagor | although perhaps it's not activated. I don't remember exactly how the twiki plugin system works. |
| 01:01:58 | * | Soap was pretty sure he had used rowspan in one of the ipod page tables... |
| 01:02:17 | LambdaCalculus37 | Never thought Tagalog to be so damn complicated... |
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| 01:08:49 | safetydan | eh? where'd that yellow come from? |
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| 01:10:30 | rasher | safetydan: not to mention red |
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| 01:11:19 | safetydan | rasher, the red I can fix... the yellow I don't think has anything to do with me |
| 01:11:47 | rasher | ah - no, it's been there for a while now |
| 01:11:54 | rasher | depending on who's compiling |
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| 01:20:48 | mickleby | #thebox.bz |
| 01:21:08 | scorche | mickleby: your point? |
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| 01:30:09 | kugel | i've got a question |
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| 01:30:32 | kugel | is this microsecon pause between the tracks normal? |
| 01:30:42 | kugel | +d |
| 01:31:17 | kugel | it's not really gapless |
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| 01:31:40 | safetydan | kugel, what format? Rockbox should always be gapless when possible. |
| 01:31:53 | kugel | mp3 and aac |
| 01:32:11 | Llorean | Both mp3 and aac formats natively do not encode gapless. |
| 01:32:24 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: MP3 support gapless when you use LAME encoding. |
| 01:32:31 | LambdaCalculus37 | *supports |
| 01:32:32 | Llorean | When you encode them you have to use an encoder that writes special metadata that tells the player where the actual song ends, since it's not the same place as where the file ends. |
| 01:32:36 | kugel | i've heard that lame encodes to gapless by default |
| 01:32:41 | kugel | and i used lame |
| 01:32:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: What version? |
| 01:32:47 | Llorean | What version? |
| 01:32:55 | kugel | 3.97 or something |
| 01:33:10 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: Isn't 3.97 the latest version? |
| 01:33:16 | Soap | and you used one of the presets? |
| 01:33:24 | Llorean | 3.97 should include gapless. |
| 01:33:36 | Soap | 3.97 is the latest version recommended by HA. |
| 01:33:40 | Llorean | Assuming that it's encoded using LAME from a properly gapless source |
| 01:33:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Where are you encoding from? |
| 01:34:21 | kugel | do you mean the os? |
| 01:34:32 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Is it a CD or a WAV file, or something like that? |
| 01:34:45 | Soap | As long as you encoded it with one of the -V presets, or the outdated -AP(S,X,I) you should be fine. Assuming a gapless source, and assuming you didn't throw any silly flags in your command string. |
| 01:34:46 | kugel | cd |
| 01:34:59 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: And what software are you using to encode? |
| 01:35:02 | Soap | does your drive have a bad read-offset? |
| 01:35:03 | linuxstb | kugel: Are there any odd tags, such as APE? |
| 01:35:04 | kugel | lame ;; |
| 01:35:10 | kugel | no |
| 01:35:36 | kugel | itunes handles the gapless flawlessy on these files |
| 01:35:36 | Llorean | kugel: And the CD is gapless audio? |
| 01:35:42 | kugel | yes |
| 01:35:57 | Llorean | And you aren't using replaygain? |
| 01:36:04 | kugel | no |
| 01:36:06 | safetydan | ah, itunes gapless tags. Wasn't there an issue with those at some point? |
| 01:36:15 | Llorean | safetydan: For M4A files |
| 01:36:42 | Llorean | kugel: What SVN revision are you using? |
| 01:37:00 | Soap | kugel, itunes is not a proper test case in this situation, as it does not read the LAME gapless info, rather it scans the files itself and creates its own gapless tags. Try a different player to compare. |
| 01:37:38 | kugel | 15034 |
| 01:38:21 | Llorean | kugel: That's 70 revisions old, for one thing. I assume at least that it's not a patched build in any way? |
| 01:39:04 | kugel | actually it's patched, but I tried it with a current build too |
| 01:39:27 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: Might I suggest CDex for ripping CDs? It uses LAME for MP3 encoding. http://cdexos.sourceforge.net/ |
| 01:39:41 | kugel | i know that program |
| 01:39:53 | kugel | but i'm not encoding to mp3 anymore |
| 01:40:20 | kugel | basically, it's not really a pause, more a microsecond between the songs |
| 01:40:37 | Llorean | Yes, but for the rest of us there is no gap between songs. |
| 01:40:40 | LambdaCalculus37 | kugel: That's still a pause, if you think about it. |
| 01:40:49 | kugel | yea, that's why i asked |
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| 01:47:09 | LambdaCalculus37 | So far 31 strings have been translated in tagalog.lang... the root menu's translated and a few messages have been translated. |
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| 02:01:15 | Soap | tell me when you translate 32, I won't use it until you translate 32. ;) |
| 02:02:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | Soap: My girlfriend just gave me the 32nd string. :) |
| 02:02:30 | LambdaCalculus37 | But we're running down the whole file. |
| 02:03:01 | LambdaCalculus37 | Soap: I'll tell you when we get to 42 strings. ;) |
| 02:04:06 | Llorean | I think the point is, we don't need constant updates. Post a patch when it's done. ;) |
| 02:04:11 | Mouser_X | That's it! The answer to Life, the universe, and everything! I look forward to when you have 42 lines translated. |
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| 02:07:26 | LambdaCalculus37 | Llorean: No constant updates. I'll just say when it's in Flyspray. |
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| 02:18:56 | karashata | hmm, has anyone that is working on or has done work on the video game music format playback support looked into this before: http://www.slack.net/~ant/libs/audio.html#Game_Music_Emu |
| 02:19:17 | Mouser_X | Yes. |
| 02:19:30 | Mouser_X | That's where the SPC support was ported from. |
| 02:19:36 | karashata | okay, just thought I'd mention it since I stumbled on it |
| 02:19:57 | Mouser_X | It's pretty well known in the VGM community. |
| 02:20:25 | karashata | I'm still rather new to it, I only really got into it because of the support in Rockbox |
| 02:21:26 | Mouser_X | Though, HCS (who brought NSF and SPC support) doesn't use it much for Rockbox, since it's written in C++. |
| 02:22:02 | karashata | ah, well, it says it works with C as well on the page, and I know rockbox is written nearly entirely in C, so... |
| 02:22:08 | Mouser_X | There's a patch for the GBS format in the flyspray, but it needs a lot of work. It's not ported from GME either. |
| 02:22:14 | karashata | as I said, just thought I'd mention it |
| 02:23:16 | Mouser_X | I could be wrong, but I think Rockbox's SID support needs work. It sounds fairly broken to me. |
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| 02:24:04 | Mouser_X | However, since I rarely (if ever) listen to SIDs on my PC, I could be wrong. They may sound identical to Rockbox. |
| 02:24:25 | karashata | couldn't tell ya, I don't use SID |
| 02:24:57 | karashata | SPC works nicely as long as the tracks have been edited to size, and NSF works great aside from one file I have... |
| 02:25:10 | Mouser_X | Same. I've got the entire SID collection on my Gigabeat though, in case I ever do decide to listen to them. |
| 02:25:59 | Mouser_X | "edited to size" Do you mean timed? All SPCs are alway 65 KB. |
| 02:26:15 | Mouser_X | (So, in other words, tagged properly.) |
| 02:26:34 | karashata | properly tagged, then... |
| 02:26:37 | Mouser_X | Which NSF is giving you problems. |
| 02:27:00 | karashata | is the SMB3 NSF from... lemme check the site again... |
| 02:27:06 | Mouser_X | (HCS had to drop VRC7 support. It took to much CPU.) |
| 02:27:19 | * | Mouser_X boots up Rockbox |
| 02:27:24 | karashata | zophar.net I believe... |
| 02:28:00 | karashata | http://www.zophar.net/nsf/ |
| 02:28:29 | Mouser_X | I'll be honest. Zophar was *great* in its day. However, it's outdated now (sad really). In other words, I recommend getting your stuff from somewhere else when possible. |
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| 02:30:36 | spky | how can i tell what gen ipod i have |
| 02:30:47 | spky | is there only one generation for the nano? |
| 02:31:51 | Soap | spky, there are three nano generations |
| 02:32:18 | Soap | plastic front, stainless steel back = 1st. All aluminum and skinny = 2nd, all aluminum and fat = 3rd |
| 02:32:44 | spky | how fat is fat? |
| 02:33:08 | spky | this one is about as fat as the plug |
| 02:33:23 | spky | g2? |
| 02:33:34 | scorche | sounds like it |
| 02:33:44 | Llorean | If it's not G1, it's not supported anyway |
| 02:33:58 | spky | damn it ;[ |
| 02:34:26 | spky | lol how could there be a build for the ipod video but not nano g2 ;[ |
| 02:34:40 | scorche | because they are totally different devices.. |
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| 02:35:37 | spky | is there any plan to support it in the near future? |
| 02:35:49 | scorche | we dont make plans for new devices |
| 02:35:50 | Llorean | It's not that simple. |
| 02:36:14 | scorche | ports are done by people who come forward with the device, and the time and capability to do it |
| 02:36:19 | Llorean | People who own the device have to put in lots of work, and it can take months or years to support a device when it's not based on previous devices (as the 2nd Gen and later Nanos are not) |
| 02:36:34 | linuxstb | spky: I'm not aware of anyone currently working on it, and it seems unlikely anyone will. |
| 02:36:34 | spky | word |
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| 02:36:49 | spky | wish i was smart enough to help ;[ |
| 02:37:14 | spky | at least it works on my 5g =] |
| 02:37:56 | spky | so who do i have to buy a nano to get it in the works? |
| 02:37:58 | spky | kidding |
| 02:38:03 | spky | thanks guys =] |
| 02:38:56 | scorche | even if a dev had one, it would still be quite a bit of work (if possible) |
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| 02:41:16 | zicho | it would be nice to see on the ipod classic |
| 02:41:42 | scorche | then feel free to port it :) |
| 02:41:47 | Mouser_X | Heh |
| 02:41:57 | scorche | just saying "it would be nice" doesnt do anything.. |
| 02:42:58 | zicho | Well, no i guess youre right =P |
| 02:43:02 | LambdaCalculus37 | You have to do a lot of the dirty work as well. |
| 02:43:12 | zicho | but that would mean id had to buy an ipod, and that i would not do. |
| 02:44:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | zicho: Well, there you have it. |
| 02:44:18 | zicho | I guess. Haha. |
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| 02:49:28 | Soap | MrH is the one who needs to be showered in new iPods. Maybe some coffee and cash as well. |
| 02:51:07 | LambdaCalculus37 | Soap: I can send him few cans of coffee. :) |
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| 03:19:25 | RaZorbacK_ | hi. i've just applied a patch but many hunkds failed. How could i reverse only this patch without reverting everything ? |
| 03:20:17 | Mouser_X | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling |
| 03:20:25 | Mouser_X | (It's in there somewhere. |
| 03:20:26 | Mouser_X | ) |
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| 03:50:15 | ptw419 | or a disassembler i should say? |
| 03:50:26 | ptw419 | for arm |
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| 04:30:48 | Logomachist | Hi |
| 04:31:07 | Logomachist | Can anyone tell me if Rockbox can play DivX files? |
| 04:31:16 | JdGordon | yes we can |
| 04:31:26 | JdGordon | not it cant |
| 04:31:44 | jhMikeS | yes it can't? |
| 04:32:27 | Llorean | Yes we can tell him that no it can't. |
| 04:32:33 | Llorean | :) |
| 04:33:10 | Logomachist | :( |
| 04:33:25 | LambdaCalculus37 | We can also tell him that he can convert files using instructions on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/LangFiles?topic=PluginMpegplayer |
| 04:33:28 | Llorean | Logomachist: Why not just convert them? You have to resize them anyway, and it's the same process. |
| 04:35:46 | LambdaCalculus37 | Logomachist: You can use a program like VLC or WinFF to encode the files. |
| 04:35:54 | LambdaCalculus37 | All of the needed instructions are listed. |
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| 04:38:30 | Logomachist | Reencoding the files for playback on a PMP jars my sense of efficiency. I'd need to keep double copies of the files, or more if I wanted to play them on multiple devices. Is that really how everyone does it? |
| 04:38:56 | Soap | double copies? |
| 04:39:02 | Logomachist | Yeah. |
| 04:39:44 | Soap | You need to have a copy on each device, regardless - if the copies are identical or if they are not - there is no difference. Neither one way or the other can be called efficient. |
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| 04:41:30 | ze | if you wanna think of efficiency, think of this |
| 04:41:32 | Llorean | Also, you've made the mistake that any device Rockbox runs on could be considered a PMP. They're all MP3 players, with processors in the speed range expected for audio playback, which is why they cost so much less than say, the Archos 604 at comparable storage capacities. |
| 04:41:54 | ze | a resized and transcoded file is probably gonna take up less space on your device |
| 04:42:04 | * | scorche prefers the term "DAP" |
| 04:42:05 | ze | and less processor usage to playback |
| 04:42:34 | ze | and probably better visual quality since you can use better scaling algorithms when you transcode than would probably be practical on the device in realtime |
| 04:42:43 | ze | (if it'd even be practical on the device at all) |
| 04:42:43 | Llorean | ze: The processors aren't fast enough to resize fullsize video and playback realtime at all, really |
| 04:42:49 | Logomachist | I know some Rockbox platforms are audio only, but for my purposes I was planning on getting a video player. |
| 04:43:15 | Llorean | Logomachist: And which Rockbox platform is marketed as a PMP? Even the iPod Video is marketed as an audio device with tacked on video functionality. |
| 04:43:15 | ze | ok well see, speak of effeciency |
| 04:43:21 | ze | what you wanna do isn't even efficient enough to work |
| 04:43:22 | ze | :p |
| 04:43:55 | Llorean | And its video functionality requires conversion using iTunes for the Apple firmware. We can't use its special tacked on video chip (it really is just an iPod with an added video chip) anyway, so it's actually one of the worst Rockbox players for video. |
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| 05:03:22 | LambdaCalculus37 | I'll see everyone again soon! |
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| 05:12:20 | Logomachist | BAK |
| 05:14:22 | Logomachist | You're talking about efficientcy from the player's side of things. |
| 05:15:44 | Logomachist | For me, it's better... and more efficient... for me to rip a song/video once, save it in high res, and then play the same file back on whatever device I want to watch it on. |
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| 05:16:58 | Chronon | define "whatever device" |
| 05:16:59 | Logomachist | But it sounds like the portable video players aren't there yet in terms of power. |
| 05:17:17 | DogBoy | Llorean, that's not true, maybe you're speaking in general |
| 05:17:37 | Logomachist | Anything... my PC, a portable video player, a laptop, a TV. |
| 05:17:37 | DogBoy | I convert stuff to watch on ipod all the time and I have never used itunes |
| 05:17:55 | scorche | Logomachist: well, that isnt going to happen on a device that has 80 MHz (not sure which you are referring to) |
| 05:18:51 | Llorean | DogBoy: Well, you need something that will update the Apple database with the location of the video, and you need a program that converts to the specific format that apple chose to support |
| 05:19:16 | Llorean | Logomachist: If you want to do that, buy a small laptop or UMPC. |
| 05:19:35 | DogBoy | yes you do Llorean but you don't need itunes for that |
| 05:19:42 | Logomachist | Scorche I was speaking generally about what I wanted. I don't know exactly what's availiable because I've never looked into it before. |
| 05:20:19 | scorche | Logomachist: from what you are saying, it just doesnt make sense to get a DAP, or even a PMP |
| 05:20:26 | DogBoy | I agree with the main point you're making though |
| 05:20:34 | Logomachist | Why's that? |
| 05:20:39 | Llorean | DogBoy: Yes, but the point was more that you're restricted in what formats the device can play, and it requires conversion unless your video happens to in advance be in an acceptable form factor |
| 05:20:57 | DogBoy | yes and that's what I agree with |
| 05:20:57 | Llorean | In fact, I'm not wholly sure iTunes even converts videos. |
| 05:21:13 | DogBoy | your point was a bit overstated was all I was trying to say |
| 05:21:15 | scorche | Logomachist: because you are just expecting way too much power from a device...if you want that kind of power, get an oqo or something like it |
| 05:21:32 | Logomachist | ::looks up oqo:: |
| 05:21:49 | scorche | basically a mini laptop |
| 05:22:17 | Llorean | Logomachist: DAPs and even PMPs are designed to be relatively low cost. Even high end ones have restrictions on the maximum resolution you can play, or what formats are supported, simply because if you ask someone for $800 for a portable device, they're unlikely to pay it. |
| 05:22:17 | Logomachist | Yikes! oqo is way more than I wanted to spend. |
| 05:22:38 | Chronon | Logomachinist, also consider that rescaling in real time for a small screen is going to chew up the limited battery power of a DAP. |
| 05:22:38 | Logomachist | That makes sense. |
| 05:23:07 | DogBoy | chew up _more_ battery power anyway |
| 05:23:15 | Logomachist | I'm surprised. |
| 05:23:16 | DogBoy | it's still practical though |
| 05:23:19 | scorche | well, it is either you spend a bunch, or you accept reencoding...there isnt a middle ground with this, really |
| 05:23:24 | DogBoy | at least with a video ipod |
| 05:23:26 | Chronon | DogBoy, what are you talking about? |
| 05:23:28 | Llorean | DogBoy: It's not too practical. |
| 05:23:30 | scorche | what is surprising? |
| 05:23:40 | DogBoy | depends on how you define practical |
| 05:23:41 | Llorean | DogBoy: The video iPod only scales from 640x480 doesn't it? |
| 05:23:42 | Logomachist | PCs have been rescaling videos since the very first video players. |
| 05:23:51 | DogBoy | more or less |
| 05:24:07 | DogBoy | it's more based on macro blocks |
| 05:24:14 | Chronon | Logomachinist, but they have a power supply that runs off of line power |
| 05:24:16 | Llorean | DogBoy: The iPod Video also has a specific chip just for decoding videos, |
| 05:24:22 | Llorean | It's not doing it in software in the same way Rockbox has to |
| 05:24:31 | DogBoy | there is a maximum number of pixels it will display |
| 05:24:59 | scorche | Logomachist: they werent scaling 1080p videos....resolutions have grown as computer power has grown |
| 05:25:04 | Llorean | Logomachist: And even if you scaled down a video, it still took more power to decode a high resolution video than a low-res one. |
| 05:25:05 | DogBoy | Llorean, what part of what you said did you here me arguing with you |
| 05:25:13 | DogBoy | I agree with your main point |
| 05:25:24 | DogBoy | it's just the specifics that were not entirely correct |
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| 05:25:53 | scorche | what specifics are those? |
| 05:25:53 | Llorean | Scaling video on a portable device is almost entirely impractical assuming that the video file is intended for use solely on the portable device. |
| 05:26:02 | DogBoy | what's up scorche |
| 05:26:13 | DogBoy | you can read what I said earlier |
| 05:26:27 | Llorean | So, assuming that you must convert for the portable device in advance, it should be converted to the screen resolution both to save space, optimize quality, and save power. |
| 05:26:39 | scorche | i have, and i havent seen you correct anything that Llorean may have said wrong |
| 05:26:43 | DogBoy | on most devices |
| 05:26:51 | DogBoy | but not on the ipod video |
| 05:27:06 | Llorean | DogBoy: Are you claiming that it's magically equally efficient to decode 640x480 as 320x240? |
| 05:27:18 | DogBoy | not at all |
| 05:27:40 | DogBoy | just pointing out that equal and practicable are not the same thing |
| 05:27:52 | DogBoy | it's a matter of opinion |
| 05:27:57 | Logomachist | I didn't want to convert in advance at all, that was my point. Yeah, if I'm going to convert it, I might as well do so specifically for the device I'm going to play it on, but I hadn't anticipated needing to. |
| 05:28:13 | DogBoy | Logomachist, yea but you're gonna |
| 05:28:21 | DogBoy | what he's saying is correct |
| 05:28:27 | Llorean | Given the assumption I stated, that the video n the device is intended for use solely on the device, how is "longer encode times, shorter battery life, and significantly increased storage costs" not impractical? |
| 05:28:29 | scorche | Logomachist: were you thinking it had the same processor as your computer does? |
| 05:28:51 | DogBoy | heh |
| 05:29:41 | DogBoy | I'm not interested in debating the finer points, just in pointing out that I do it all the time, without itunes and at higher res than screen size and have not found it to be impractical |
| 05:29:54 | DogBoy | ymmv |
| 05:30:14 | Llorean | Clearly you don't actually value your storage space as much as I do, then. |
| 05:30:23 | Llorean | I wouldn't want to waste half my capacity on needlessly large files. |
| 05:30:23 | DogBoy | heh |
| 05:30:35 | DogBoy | it's not clear at all |
| 05:30:38 | Llorean | Oh? |
| 05:30:43 | DogBoy | are you an ipod video user |
| 05:30:51 | Llorean | I use a device with identical screen resolution. |
| 05:30:51 | Logomachist | No... I hadn't given it much thought, but I assumed that the small screen + dedicated hardware would be able to handle pretty much anything I threw at it. I mean, I watched .avis on Pentiums with screens far larger in pixels than kind of video player I was considering buying. |
| 05:30:58 | DogBoy | with what codec |
| 05:31:03 | Llorean | Why does it matter? |
| 05:31:10 | DogBoy | file size |
| 05:31:17 | Llorean | File size is dependent on bitrate only |
| 05:31:21 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 05:31:34 | DogBoy | you got me there |
| 05:31:42 | Logomachist | How different is a mpeg file from an animated gif? |
| 05:31:49 | scorche | Logomachist: those also had graphics chips for 2d acceleration, much more ram, dedicated power, different arch, etc |
| 05:31:56 | Llorean | Logomachist: So different there's not a reasonable basis for comparison. |
| 05:31:58 | DogBoy | so how big is an hour of video on your device generally Llorean |
| 05:32:08 | Llorean | DogBoy: Depends on what quality I want from it. |
| 05:32:24 | Llorean | DogBoy: Anywhere from about 250mb to 500mb |
| 05:32:30 | DogBoy | hmm |
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| 05:33:00 | Llorean | Depending on fullscreen vs widescreen, and the source. |
| 05:33:38 | DogBoy | I thought it was completely dependent on bit rate |
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| 05:33:53 | Llorean | Yes, and I choose my bitrate depending on the quality of the source and the resolution I'm encoding at |
| 05:34:22 | Llorean | If I'm encoding at fullscreen 320x240 I'll often pick a slightly higher resolution than if I'm encoding at widescreen since there's less pixels to fill |
| 05:34:23 | DogBoy | was that an admission that other factors contribute to file size? |
| 05:34:26 | Llorean | No. |
| 05:34:34 | Llorean | Other factors contribute to which bitrate I choose |
| 05:34:41 | DogBoy | I see |
| 05:34:43 | Llorean | Filesize is still 100% dependent upon which value I enter as bitrate. |
| 05:34:57 | DogBoy | which varies based on those other factors |
| 05:35:03 | Chronon | bitrate*time = # of bits |
| 05:35:10 | Llorean | Which can vary based on those |
| 05:35:19 | Llorean | I could simply use 256kbps as a constant for any input video. |
| 05:35:29 | Llorean | In which case in some cases it would look fine, and others quite horrible. |
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| 05:36:34 | Logomachist | What I was trying to get at was... an animated gif and the video part of an mpeg both accomplish the same thing. An animated gif stores a frame, and then each time the frame changes it stores the part that changes. |
| 05:36:34 | ddalton | sdoyon: can you send me your updated set? |
| 05:36:37 | DogBoy | anyway, what device are you talking about |
| 05:36:48 | ddalton | I haven't checked my emails for five hours so maybe you have |
| 05:37:15 | Logomachist | I iAh, nevermind. |
| 05:37:16 | Llorean | DogBoy: I don't see that it's relevant, but there's only one other Rockboxable target with the same screen size as the iPod video, the Gigabeat F/X |
| 05:37:34 | Logomachist | It'd probably be hard to explain to someone like me. |
| 05:37:39 | DogBoy | the relevant part is me being curious |
| 05:38:01 | sdoyon | ddalton: Haven't yet. Putting things together. |
| 05:38:10 | sdoyon | ddalton: got to go now though. Sorry. bye |
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| 05:40:41 | Logomachist | So scaling a video requires lots of computation beyond just skipping over every other pixel. |
| 05:40:59 | DogBoy | well it depends |
| 05:41:19 | DogBoy | as was pointed out earlier the ipod video uses a dedicated chip |
| 05:41:45 | DogBoy | but in general yes you want to encode to the display res |
| 05:41:47 | Llorean | No, it still requires lots of computation in the iPod Video |
| 05:41:57 | Llorean | It just requires that the special chip do it instead of the same core as is running the OS |
| 05:42:08 | DogBoy | it's besides the point really |
| 05:42:17 | DogBoy | it's a question of what is practical |
| 05:42:32 | TMM | well, that extra core isn't just a general purpose CPU isn't it? |
| 05:42:32 | Llorean | A video at higher resolution simply has more information to decode, and so takes more energy to do so. |
| 05:42:42 | DogBoy | and this would have different answers depending on what you are valuing |
| 05:42:53 | Llorean | TMM: The Broadcom chip has a DSP and an extra multipurpose core, if what I'm told is correct. |
| 05:43:03 | DogBoy | battery life vs how it looks on a tv for example |
| 05:43:15 | Logomachist | I'm not aruging against practicality, I'm just trying to understand the reason things work like they do. What I'm going to buy is another question altogether. |
| 05:43:25 | Llorean | DogBoy: And "how it looks on a TV" was excluded by the assumption I clearly stated before stating my opinion on the matter, which you claimed was incorrect. |
| 05:43:40 | ddalton | I was looking a sand disk e 250 at the shops. It was two gb and looked very good to me. (Good for a blind user) Could somone tell me if this is the same as the sansa e250? is sansa sand disk |
| 05:43:48 | ddalton | somone |
| 05:43:51 | ddalton | someone |
| 05:43:52 | TMM | I thought the broadcom chip IS a DSP |
| 05:44:11 | Llorean | Logomachist: It's basically simple math. If you have to compress four times the pixels, it takes more effort both to compress and decompress, not counting any scaling afterward. |
| 05:44:13 | DogBoy | I said your opinion was correct |
| 05:44:21 | scorche | ddalton: they are the same device, yes |
| 05:44:27 | DogBoy | I had trouble with certain specific things you said related to it |
| 05:44:47 | DogBoy | like needing to use itunes etc |
| 05:44:52 | ddalton | and can it play video (for sighted friends) and it was au $170 so is this good value? |
| 05:45:14 | Llorean | DogBoy: And we already resolved the itunes thing. |
| 05:45:24 | TMM | personally, I never saw the point of watching a movie on 2.5" screen :) I sometimes watch video on my PSP, and I think that's painful at times |
| 05:45:28 | scorche | ddalton: it can be had for a third of the price over here... |
| 05:45:42 | DogBoy | what is it we're trying to resolve now? |
| 05:45:55 | ddalton | scorche: how much is it there? Are you in the US? |
| 05:46:09 | scorche | yes... 50 USD |
| 05:46:20 | Llorean | DogBoy: I don't know, you seem to pipe in on "what's practical" and argue that it's practical to waste space and CPU power. Because, under the assumptions I put forth, they are 100% wasted. |
| 05:46:31 | ddalton | hmmm so that's about 70 au dollars? |
| 05:46:37 | ddalton | or 85 |
| 05:46:41 | ddalton | something like that? |
| 05:46:51 | Logomachist | Ok... I think I get it now. When you read a simple bitmap, you're reading pixel by pixel and you can skip over pixels you don't care about, but to play a video you need to have the whole video in memory before display any of it. |
| 05:47:02 | scorche | ddalton: google says 55.5 |
| 05:47:05 | Logomachist | Yes? |
| 05:47:38 | Llorean | Logomachist: Close enough to come across as a general picture of what restricts it, yes. :) |
| 05:47:58 | Logomachist | Wait, then how does streaming work? |
| 05:48:06 | DogBoy | <Llorean> So, assuming that you must convert for the portable device in advance, it should be converted to the screen resolution both to save space, optimize quality, and save power. |
| 05:48:34 | * | alienbiker99 hates DRM |
| 05:48:37 | Llorean | DogBoy: (10:29:41 PM) Llorean: Given the assumption I stated, that the video n the device is intended for use solely on the device |
| 05:48:46 | DogBoy | I was trying to point out that if you were going to use tv out, you might want to use a higher res |
| 05:48:55 | Llorean | Note the word "solely" in that one. |
| 05:49:07 | TMM | alienbiker99: doesn't any consumer hate DRM? :) |
| 05:49:24 | alienbiker99 | they should. |
| 05:49:39 | DogBoy | so I make note of something you say after I make my point |
| 05:49:47 | Llorean | Logomachist: I'm not quite certain what you're asking. |
| 05:49:49 | DogBoy | it's fine |
| 05:50:12 | Llorean | DogBoy: Yes, I said it to clarify, because I realized "for the device" might not be clear enough that it was intended _for_ the device. |
| 05:50:33 | Llorean | But it's not like you dropped the point after I clarified, now is it? |
| 05:50:43 | Logomachist | When you stream a video, you start watching it before it finishes downloading. So you can't need the entire file to start decompressig it. |
| 05:50:48 | DogBoy | I'm not sure what we're arguing about |
| 05:50:58 | DogBoy | except I guess you're pissed |
| 05:51:24 | Llorean | Logomachist: A video has three dimensions. Length, width, and time. |
| 05:52:24 | Logomachist | k |
| 05:52:27 | Llorean | Logomachist: Most of the filesize is changes over time. So when you're streaming, it can show a picture while downloading more "time" then change that picture for what changes over time. |
| 05:52:37 | Llorean | So you only need a little bit of "time" at a time. |
| 05:52:41 | DogBoy | I guess I didn't make it very clear, I was just trying to point out that the general case you made [for encoding to the target screen res] didn't exactly apply to the video ipod |
| 05:52:46 | DogBoy | because of the tv out |
| 05:52:51 | Llorean | But you still need all the length and width before you can make a smaller length and width picture. |
| 05:53:04 | Llorean | DogBoy: Which Rockbox doesn't support, and this is #Rockbox. |
| 05:53:33 | DogBoy | I didn't bring up video encoding on the ipod |
| 05:53:55 | Llorean | Rockbox supports the iPod Video just fine. But it has no current feature for video output to another device. |
| 05:54:53 | Llorean | DogBoy: Do you actually use Rockbox? |
| 05:55:02 | DogBoy | yes |
| 05:55:29 | DogBoy | pretty much every day |
| 05:55:41 | DogBoy | not for video though |
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| 05:57:25 | ddalton | so is the e250 a good player? What is the down side with it? |
| 05:57:32 | ddalton | and what good features does it have? |
| 05:58:16 | Logomachist | But... since most of the file is made up of change over time I would think that change over time is what you're spending most of your time decompressing. Length and width wouldn't be all that different than a bitmap. Which has to be wrong, given what you're saying, but I don't get why. |
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| 06:31:46 | ddalton | scorche: is the e250 the same as the e200r? |
| 06:32:19 | scorche | ddalton: there is no such thing as an e200r...it is the "e200 series, r version" |
| 06:32:44 | ddalton | scorche: ok so what moddles are there then? |
| 06:33:20 | scorche | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SanDisk_Sansa#e200_series |
| 06:36:01 | * | scorche sees that the rockbox wikipedia page has grown pretty big... |
| 06:36:41 | DogBoy | ddalton, I have an e280 |
| 06:36:51 | DogBoy | it's nice |
| 06:37:08 | scorche | hrm...quite a bit of changes need to be made too.. |
| 06:37:23 | ddalton | DogBoy: Better than the ipods? |
| 06:37:23 | DogBoy | scratches easily, has some noise between tracks during playback |
| 06:37:28 | DogBoy | imo |
| 06:37:34 | DogBoy | for music anyway |
| 06:37:43 | DogBoy | better battery life |
| 06:38:18 | ddalton | scorche: so it comes in 2 4 and 8 gb. So what's the r one? |
| 06:38:23 | scorche | and 6 |
| 06:38:31 | ddalton | oh ok |
| 06:38:37 | scorche | the r is a bit down on that page... |
| 06:38:45 | scorche | paragraph after teh next |
| 06:39:18 | ddalton | Hey rockbox got a mention :-) |
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| 06:41:34 | ddalton | scorche: so what is the best sansa moddle? |
| 06:42:02 | webguest28 | how do i install the rockbox drivr on my ipod |
| 06:42:02 | scorche | well, the e series, and the 280 is the 8 gig, so... |
| 06:42:11 | scorche | drivr? |
| 06:42:15 | webguest28 | i meant boot |
| 06:42:35 | ddalton | webguest28: you read the manual :-) |
| 06:42:49 | webguest28 | yes |
| 06:42:55 | ddalton | scorche: what about rockbox support |
| 06:43:01 | ddalton | what is better with rb? |
| 06:43:19 | webguest28 | and i tried to install it and that worked but it must have had an error |
| 06:43:19 | scorche | well, rockbox tried to be the same as it cn be on all devices... |
| 06:43:23 | scorche | tries |
| 06:43:33 | scorche | webguest28: well, what happened? |
| 06:43:47 | ddalton | I know but what is better at the minute. |
| 06:43:53 | webguest28 | i launched the installer |
| 06:44:07 | webguest28 | it said it worked |
| 06:44:07 | scorche | rbutil? |
| 06:44:47 | ddalton | scorche: so there is a different build for the 200 r or what ever its called? |
| 06:44:50 | webguest28 | then after i reset my ipod it said it had an error loading rockbox on my ipods screen |
| 06:45:00 | scorche | ddalton: different install method...for now at least |
| 06:45:09 | scorche | webguest28: well, what error? |
| 06:45:09 | webguest28 | what do you meen |
| 06:45:18 | webguest28 | ? |
| 06:45:29 | scorche | what error? |
| 06:45:37 | ddalton | scorche: what about build as in the firmware that you build from source. The one with the .rockbox dir. |
| 06:45:46 | ddalton | i guess you know what Im talking about :-) |
| 06:46:02 | webguest28 | it installed it after i launched it then when it was loading on the ipod it said error file not found |
| 06:46:14 | scorche | ddalton: actually, i dont...everything is teh same except for the install method |
| 06:46:19 | ddalton | webguest28: did you extract your build |
| 06:46:22 | ddalton | correctly? |
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| 06:46:58 | ddalton | scorche: So I am going to play with it on the sim I know won't do much but just to see what it has so do I press 51? |
| 06:47:05 | ddalton | to select the e250? |
| 06:47:23 | webguest28 | what do you meen install methods? |
| 06:47:30 | scorche | ddalton: i dont quite see what you want to accomplish with the sim... |
| 06:48:09 | ddalton | scorche: I know but just to have a look and see what plugins it has and stuff. Or is the sim a lot different from the actual player |
| 06:48:12 | webguest09 | hey, does anyone no how to boot an ipod nano in the apple software instead of rockbox? i got it to do it once but i cant anymore, im pretty sure it has something to do with restarting it and pushing some buttons but i cant figure it out |
| 06:48:17 | scorche | webguest28: when i prefix a name and then a colon in front of what i say, it means i am talking to them....that was prefixed with a "ddalton:" |
| 06:48:30 | scorche | webguest09: this si discussed int he FAQ |
| 06:48:54 | ddalton | webguest09: yes when it is booting turn hold on |
| 06:49:10 | webguest28 | can someone help me to understand how to install rockbox on my ipod? |
| 06:49:55 | webguest28 | hi |
| 06:49:56 | scorche | webguest28: as has been said, the manual explains everything, and you likely performed an error with the "installing the firmware" step in the manual |
| 06:50:16 | webguest28 | all it said to do is click the link |
| 06:50:25 | webguest28 | i clicked it then i opened it |
| 06:50:36 | scorche | at first, but there should still be a bit about it after.. |
| 06:50:40 | webguest28 | it installed it and i followed all the steps |
| 06:50:54 | webguest09 | okay, thanks but i cant look at the faq, the comp im on is not mine and doesnt have all the software to look at that stuff |
| 06:51:05 | * | ddalton didn't see they needed different builds |
| 06:51:22 | scorche | webguest09: the FAQ is just a simple html page... |
| 06:51:30 | scorche | ddalton: they dont |
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| 06:51:54 | webguest28 | can you tell me a link to the boot installer for rockbox |
| 06:52:12 | scorche | boot installer? |
| 06:52:42 | webguest28 | boot loader, sorry |
| 06:52:46 | scorche | it seems your bootloader installation is fine...as i said, focus ont he "installing the firmware" step |
| 06:53:18 | webguest28 | ok |
| 06:53:23 | ddalton | scorche: I don't need any special compilers for the e200? |
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| 06:53:32 | ddalton | I installed cygwin about 2 years a go. |
| 06:53:37 | webguest28 | im in the pdf manual right now |
| 06:53:38 | ddalton | maybe 1 actually |
| 06:53:48 | scorche | ddalton: just the usual arm-elf-gcc |
| 06:53:49 | webguest28 | how do i put the firmware on it |
| 06:54:14 | ddalton | its arm like the ipods? |
| 06:54:39 | scorche | webguest28: 2.3.2 "installing the firmware" |
| 06:54:49 | scorche | ddalton: PP5024 |
| 06:54:55 | webguest28 | yes |
| 06:54:59 | ddalton | webguest28: you extract to the root of your player |
| 06:56:00 | ddalton | scorche: do you have time to test something? |
| 06:56:13 | scorche | that depends on what i am testing |
| 06:56:25 | webguest28 | ok |
| 06:56:36 | ddalton | well I have a patch can you see if you can build with the sim and run the sim with it? |
| 06:56:50 | webguest28 | it says the mounting point is wrong when i tell it to install rockbox on my ipod |
| 06:57:10 | scorche | webguest28: what are you doing? |
| 06:57:56 | webguest28 | me? |
| 06:57:56 | ddalton | scorche: what sise sd card will work on the e250 with rb? |
| 06:58:14 | scorche | as big as you can get...rockbox supports SDHC |
| 06:58:21 | ddalton | webguest28: yes he even said your name! |
| 06:58:41 | ddalton | scorche: so what size can I get? |
| 06:58:55 | scorche | like i said...as big as you can find |
| 06:59:00 | DogBoy | been wondering about that myself |
| 06:59:13 | DogBoy | I thought like 8 gig was supposed to be available soon |
| 06:59:32 | ddalton | how much are they? The 4 gb or 8 gb ones? |
| 06:59:38 | ddalton | roughly? |
| 06:59:43 | DogBoy | google on it |
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| 06:59:55 | scorche | ddalton: no clue...check around local retailers |
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| 07:00:01 | DogBoy | I didn't find any that were readily available |
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| 07:00:31 | DogBoy | got a 2 gig one from frys though |
| 07:00:40 | ddalton | are they different to the normal sd card in a phone or something? |
| 07:00:46 | DogBoy | and had to replace it within a couple weeks |
| 07:00:53 | DogBoy | micro sd |
| 07:01:04 | DogBoy | like in _my_ phone, I don't know about your's |
| 07:01:11 | ddalton | DogBoy: so their smaller? |
| 07:01:52 | DogBoy | like the size of a pinkies nail |
| 07:01:52 | webguest28 | ok i have an 80 gig ipod video 5.5g, i am trying to install rockbox, i have the rockbox utility on my computer and i am trying to install it on my ipod but it always says wrong mounting point everytime i try it |
| 07:01:58 | webguest28 | what do i do? |
| 07:02:24 | ddalton | DogBoy: ok thanks |
| 07:02:27 | DogBoy | isn't the 80 gig just barely supported? |
| 07:02:37 | webguest28 | ya |
| 07:02:45 | DogBoy | so read the docs |
| 07:02:45 | webguest28 | but its still supported |
| 07:02:55 | ddalton | webguest28: is there another option apart from rbutil or what ever your using? |
| 07:02:57 | webguest28 | i read the pdf |
| 07:03:08 | scorche | webguest28: use the manual method then... |
| 07:03:11 | ddalton | DogBoy: good idea |
| 07:03:20 | DogBoy | heh |
| 07:03:44 | DogBoy | I did manual install for my 30 gig |
| 07:03:56 | webguest28 | how do i do the manual way i cant figure that out? |
| 07:04:41 | DogBoy | if you can't figure it out... how is somebody on irc that's not even there going to figure it out |
| 07:04:57 | Mouser_X | I did once, many months ago. |
| 07:05:12 | webguest28 | what? |
| 07:05:24 | ddalton | Mouser_X: what player do you have |
| 07:05:37 | Mouser_X | I installed Rockbox on the iPod, even though I don't own, or use, an iPod. Nor did I even see the iPod I installed it to. |
| 07:05:42 | scorche | webguest28: manual... |
| 07:05:44 | * | Mouser_X has a Gigabeat |
| 07:06:02 | webguest28 | 80gig ipod video released late in 2006 |
| 07:06:10 | Mouser_X | I pretty much read the manual to someone over IRC... |
| 07:06:22 | webguest28 | how do i manualy install rockbox on it |
| 07:06:36 | ddalton | webguest28: didn't you already ask that? |
| 07:06:40 | scorche | webguest28: last tiem i am telling you....it is right there in the manual...i even pointed you tot he location |
| 07:06:41 | ddalton | what does the manual say? |
| 07:06:42 | webguest28 | yes |
| 07:06:55 | webguest28 | i didnt get a straight answer though |
| 07:07:14 | ddalton | asking 10 times isn't likely to get you one |
| 07:07:16 | ddalton | either |
| 07:07:31 | DogBoy | Mouser_X, maybe you can do it again |
| 07:07:44 | Mouser_X | I would *really* rather not. |
| 07:07:49 | Mouser_X | It was a pain last time. |
| 07:08:13 | webguest28 | huh? |
| 07:08:21 | DogBoy | that was my point Mouser_X |
| 07:09:00 | webguest28 | what? |
| 07:09:13 | scorche | webguest28: not everyone is talking to you.. |
| 07:09:22 | Mouser_X | Also, this was before there as the Rbutil to use to install on iPods. |
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| 07:10:02 | Mouser_X | I had to explain the manual method. It involved guess work, since I had no idea what the iPod would do/look like/ ect. |
| 07:10:19 | DogBoy | and why bother |
| 07:10:23 | DogBoy | that's what docs are for |
| 07:10:25 | scorche | you didnt *have* to |
| 07:10:28 | Mouser_X | However, the person I explained to got the idea, since Rockbox did successfully install for them. |
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| 07:10:39 | DogBoy | what part are you stuck on webguest28 |
| 07:11:11 | ddalton | what everyone is commenting on my comment? |
| 07:11:22 | ddalton | or something or did I miss something when I left |
| 07:11:34 | Mouser_X | scorche: In the process of explaining, I did *have* to use the manual method, since no other method was available at the time. However, I didn't *have* to explain it at all, so you're correct in that aspect. |
| 07:11:48 | webguest28 | sorry im just frusterated because now when ever i plug my ipod in it doesnt show up on itunes and i would like to wipe it out and reinstall the apple firmware? |
| 07:12:03 | webguest28 | but it isnt showing up |
| 07:12:06 | scorche | webguest28: the apple firmware is still there.... |
| 07:12:07 | scorche | read |
| 07:12:08 | scorche | the |
| 07:12:09 | DBUG | Enqueued KICK scorche |
| 07:12:09 | scorche | manual |
| 07:12:10 | Mouser_X | The Apple firmware is still there. |
| 07:12:14 | DogBoy | hehe |
| 07:12:26 | Mouser_X | iPod = unbrickable. |
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| 07:12:29 | * | ddalton Wonders why we write manuals if no one reads them! |
| 07:12:37 | Mouser_X | Unless you cause physical damage to it. |
| 07:12:52 | scorche | it can be bricked...just not if you follow our process (or even deviate from it quite a large bit) |
| 07:12:55 | Mouser_X | (At least, it can't be bricked by Rockbox) |
| 07:13:04 | ddalton | Mouser_X: yes but the hard drives break after about 12 months of use |
| 07:13:13 | Mouser_X | Wow, that sucks... |
| 07:13:25 | Mouser_X | I hope that's not the case for *all* HDD based players... |
| 07:13:29 | ddalton | I know never going to buy an ipod again. |
| 07:13:31 | scorche | ddalton: that depends... |
| 07:13:37 | webguest28 | i meen everytime i reset the ipod the message shows up on the screen of the ipod that it cant find the boot files |
| 07:13:44 | * | Mouser_X has had his Gigabeat since January. |
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| 07:13:57 | ddalton | webguest28: This is the last time I will help. Put it into disk mode |
| 07:14:07 | scorche | webguest28: you are muted for 10 minutes...please use that time to go over the manual |
| 07:14:20 | ddalton | scorche: He can talk? |
| 07:14:23 | ddalton | can't |
| 07:14:24 | scorche | no he cant |
| 07:15:00 | ddalton | scorche: Well I know the hard drive is broken I got aliask to test it for me in his hard drive thing |
| 07:15:12 | ddalton | for 1.8 drives |
| 07:15:31 | scorche | ddalton: that doesnt mean all the hard drives break after around 12 months |
| 07:15:35 | Mouser_X | I'll have to be sure to keep an eye out for cheap drives then... |
| 07:15:42 | ddalton | yes but hang on for a min |
| 07:16:06 | scorche | ddalton: no need...things happen, or they dont....it is a subjective thing for all hard drives |
| 07:16:16 | * | Mouser_X doesn't trust the iPod as far as he can throw it. |
| 07:16:22 | scorche | (subjective as in it differs for each hard drive) |
| 07:16:28 | Mouser_X | Though, with as small as they are, I could probably throw it quite a ways. |
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| 07:18:22 | Mouser_X | "Waiting for Rockbox 3.0" http://lwn.net/Articles/183931/ |
| 07:18:29 | Mouser_X | They've been waiting for awhile... |
| 07:18:39 | ddalton | I remember reading on wiki about all these broken ipods and the hard drives break after 12 months. |
| 07:18:55 | ddalton | Since they aren't made to be moved around or something |
| 07:19:14 | scorche | ddalton: well, more people get them, so more people are there to complain about failures... |
| 07:19:30 | scorche | they arent any different from other DAP HDs |
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| 07:20:11 | ddalton | yes but the other ones are better protected. |
| 07:20:16 | ddalton | like h300 |
| 07:20:48 | ddalton | and don't you think a 20 gb ipod would be more than a 20 gb tosheba or something since it has a "apple" brand? |
| 07:21:12 | scorche | i wouldnt think that would have anything to do with it.. |
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| 07:21:51 | ddalton | Well I won't buy one. And the click wheel isn't really that good. |
| 07:22:07 | scorche | for blind users, i wouldnt think so |
| 07:22:24 | ddalton | what does "blind users" have to do with this? |
| 07:22:32 | ddalton | exactly? |
| 07:23:11 | scorche | because the click where has no tactile response...not even a bump where you can feel where it is |
| 07:23:20 | scorche | s/where/wheel |
| 07:23:33 | ddalton | well I found it easy to use but kept on missing menu options and stuff |
| 07:23:52 | ddalton | You can find the click wheel very easy with a skin |
| 07:24:02 | ddalton | or what ever there called. |
| 07:24:12 | scorche | that is true...tactile response is handy too though |
| 07:24:25 | * | scorche hates using an ipod in his pocket |
| 07:26:02 | nave7693 | for what its worth the ipod is the only player I have seen to include unicode support out of the box |
| 07:26:21 | advcomp2019 | the sansa is bit better to use in a pocket |
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| 07:26:56 | scorche | nave7693: well, we dont really care about the OF here... |
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| 07:28:04 | ddalton | scorche: yes |
| 07:28:10 | nave7693 | well we can at least give apple that much, just sayin |
| 07:28:53 | ddalton | scorche: is there an option for the sansa e200 in settings called "central european"? |
| 07:29:00 | ddalton | or is my voice file wrong? |
| 07:29:13 | scorche | could be something to do with the radio, perhaps... |
| 07:29:35 | ddalton | scorche: in "setings"? |
| 07:30:19 | scorche | if you are referring to not in any sub-menus, then it likely is something with your voice file |
| 07:31:48 | ddalton | <scorche: is there an option about the sd card in system below rockbox info? |
| 07:32:12 | scorche | ddalton: i dont know...doesnt the manual have a full listing of the tree? |
| 07:32:34 | ddalton | it probably does I will look there |
| 07:33:07 | ddalton | where should I get one from (e200)? you said au $170 is a lot for one |
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| 07:33:34 | * | scorche shrugs...i just know of places int he US |
| 07:33:53 | ddalton | any online? |
| 07:34:22 | scorche | ...ones that only ship to the US... |
| 07:38:41 | nave7693 | ddalton: tried your luck in ebay? |
| 07:39:08 | ddalton | nave7693: yeah a couple of weeks a go I will try again |
| 07:39:28 | nave7693 | ddalton: ok... just curious how much is an ipod there? |
| 07:39:31 | ddalton | so what is below the rockbox info option? it is something about an sd card what is it for? |
| 07:39:52 | ddalton | nave7693: Um im in australia is that a problem? |
| 07:40:06 | ddalton | and I haven't looked at the ipods I don't like them |
| 07:40:34 | * | ddalton gets back to his c book |
| 07:40:45 | nave7693 | ddalton: no... not a problem for me |
| 07:41:10 | ddalton | nave7693: what cuntry are you in? |
| 07:41:18 | nave7693 | ddalton: US |
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| 09:16:17 | JdGordon | FFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 09:16:21 | * | JdGordon found the bloody problem |
| 09:17:41 | Mouser_X | Is it bloody because you've been beating yourself up over it? :P |
| 09:18:07 | JdGordon | it looks like cofigure does something funny which i wasnt expecting |
| 09:18:07 | JdGordon | i tinhk |
| 09:19:40 | JdGordon | time to get it working in windows then |
| 09:20:15 | JdGordon | except i cant compile for windows :'( |
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| 09:40:09 | JdGordon | -I even |
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| 10:37:33 | linuxstb | JdGordon: What do you need? |
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| 10:41:53 | raphi | I get an error message while compiling rockbox (Revision 13000/13500 I tried) http://pastebin.ca/736163 |
| 10:42:00 | raphi | can someone help me? |
| 10:42:39 | JdGordon | linuxstb: hey, I fonud out whats stopping the installer from running... can you build a win32 e200rpatcher with a bin ill send you? |
| 10:42:55 | linuxstb | Sure. What was the problem? |
| 10:43:01 | Llorean | raphi: Those are 2000, and 1500 revisions old, or so |
| 10:43:26 | JdGordon | something corrupts the binary instead of just copying it from the bootloader/ folder |
| 10:43:37 | JdGordon | something simple in the Makefile problably |
| 10:43:56 | linuxstb | Why worry about that - just use the version inside bootloader/ ? |
| 10:44:16 | JdGordon | we wont anymore.. just annoying that that was the problem |
| 10:44:31 | JdGordon | http://jonno.jdgordon.info/rockbox/bootloader.bin definatyl works |
| 10:44:41 | raphi | lLorean: I know... I just wan't to figure out if the recording on an iAudio X5 (60gb) never worked, or if it was working a time ago... |
| 10:45:22 | Llorean | raphi: It used to work, and nobody's reported a bug with it. |
| 10:45:53 | linuxstb | JdGordon: File not found... |
| 10:45:58 | raphi | llorean: sure? I'll try to check with the original firmware.... |
| 10:47:24 | JdGordon | linuxstb: dcc or http://jdgordon.info:8080/jonno/rockbox/bootloader.bin |
| 10:48:09 | linuxstb | ca6cc8a906e26a314863e0f79c2f59fd bootloader.bin ? |
| 10:48:31 | JdGordon | yep |
| 10:49:12 | linuxstb | http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/e200rpatcher.zip |
| 10:49:55 | JdGordon | thanks |
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| 10:58:43 | raphi | llorean: ok, it's a hardware issue... It also doesn't work with the OF..... thanks anyway.. |
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| 11:01:26 | linuxstb | JdGordon: BTW, the problem is your commit 14709. In order for the build system to create an output file (based on bootloader/bootloader.bin), you need to set both the output name, and a tool used to create that output file. You've set the tool variable to be "$rootdir/tools/scramble -mi4v3 -model=e20r -type=RBOS" - so it's converting the bootloader.bin to mi4 format. If I was you, I would... |
| 11:01:27 | linuxstb | ...just revert that commit. |
| 11:02:58 | raphi | I still got an errormsg with the newest (r15102) while compiling.... http://pastebin.ca/736163 |
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| 11:03:28 | bluebrother | raphi: have you reconfigured (and ran make clean) first? |
| 11:04:01 | linuxstb | raphi: Error 127 from Make means it can't find a program it needs to run. Try "make V=1" to get more output. |
| 11:04:06 | raphi | bluebrother: I've deleted my hole rockbox folder and get it from rockbox-xvn again.... |
| 11:05:26 | raphi | linuxstb: It seems like m68k-elf-ar is missing... i'll link it to /usr/bin.... |
| 11:05:48 | linuxstb | You should just add the directory that the m68k-elf programs are in to your PATH. |
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| 11:06:11 | raphi | linuxstb: how do i do that? |
| 11:06:28 | Xenomorphic | does anyone know if rockbox works with the e250 |
| 11:06:33 | Xenomorphic | sansa e250 |
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| 11:06:47 | linuxstb | raphi: Add a line such as "export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/arm-elf/bin" to the .bashrc file in your home directory. |
| 11:07:17 | linuxstb | I meant m68k-bin (obviously change to your setup) |
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| 11:08:47 | delYsid | Xenomorphic: Yes, it should. |
| 11:08:52 | raphi | linuxstb: thanks!! It's now compiling |
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| 11:11:59 | Xenomorphic | cool |
| 11:12:04 | Xenomorphic | thanks del |
| 11:12:09 | Xenomorphic | use e200? |
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| 11:12:40 | bluebrother | e200 _series_ includes e250 (and other e2x0 players) |
| 11:13:03 | bluebrother | the manual tells you more details. |
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| 11:13:35 | Xenomorphic | ah |
| 11:13:37 | Xenomorphic | thanks! |
| 11:13:42 | * | bluebrother notices the manual not holding the individual player versions as other manuals do ... |
| 11:13:50 | delYsid | Xenomorphic: yeah, I use a e280 |
| 11:14:28 | Xenomorphic | does rockbox support standard file formats |
| 11:14:34 | Xenomorphic | like mpg, avi, etc |
| 11:14:51 | bluebrother | it only supports mpeg2 for video. |
| 11:14:58 | Xenomorphic | oh |
| 11:14:58 | bluebrother | avi is only a container. |
| 11:15:03 | Xenomorphic | ah |
| 11:15:18 | bluebrother | and can contain about any video codec. |
| 11:16:00 | Xenomorphic | oh |
| 11:16:04 | Xenomorphic | thanks |
| 11:16:07 | Xenomorphic | what about pictures |
| 11:16:13 | bluebrother | jpeg. |
| 11:16:21 | ramon8 | what about the dictionary |
| 11:16:27 | * | bluebrother points to http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml |
| 11:16:36 | bluebrother | define "the" dictionary. |
| 11:16:49 | Xenomorphic | thanks! |
| 11:17:01 | Xenomorphic | i gotta go, but i appreciate all the help |
| 11:17:04 | Xenomorphic | best of luck |
| 11:17:16 | ramon8 | can it search for words? |
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| 11:20:06 | ramon8 | nm i see that it still in progress...... |
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| 11:32:56 | JdGordon | woot! |
| 11:33:08 | JdGordon | we have a working e200r installer for windows |
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| 11:42:20 | Llorean | JdGordon: With or without special drivers? |
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| 11:43:21 | JdGordon | with the libusb drivers |
| 11:43:31 | JdGordon | but im attaching them ready made so they shuold be idiot proof |
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| 11:45:29 | barrywardell | JdGordon: what are the ultimate plans for e200rpatcher? |
| 11:46:01 | JdGordon | integrate with rbtutil |
| 11:46:05 | barrywardell | will it do like sansapatcher and install the bootloader too? |
| 11:46:06 | JdGordon | not sure what else we want from it |
| 11:46:14 | JdGordon | it could... |
| 11:46:37 | barrywardell | right now, it's still necessary to go into recovery mode and copy over a rockbox bootloader mi4 |
| 11:46:43 | barrywardell | and let it do the firmware update |
| 11:47:45 | JdGordon | if we get it to do sansapatcher's job then we could use it for the e200 and the r |
| 11:47:58 | JdGordon | but that means you have to attach it in manuf mode to do it for both |
| 11:48:11 | barrywardell | i don't think that's a good idea |
| 11:48:20 | JdGordon | i agree |
| 11:48:27 | barrywardell | I like the sansapatcher method right now |
| 11:48:28 | JdGordon | http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SansaE200RInstallation |
| 11:49:01 | JdGordon | its probably up to bluebrother and how much he can do with rbutil for it |
| 11:49:05 | barrywardell | JdGordon: I can build a universal binary for OS X if you like |
| 11:49:19 | JdGordon | please do and attach it to that page |
| 11:49:24 | * | barrywardell finally has a universal libusb |
| 11:49:49 | barrywardell | JdGordon: from svn? |
| 11:49:54 | JdGordon | just make sure you grab bootloader.bin from the bootloader folder and not from the folder with the Makefile |
| 11:50:03 | JdGordon | yeah, svn works |
| 11:50:25 | barrywardell | it's not 100% reliable, but neither is e200tool |
| 11:50:49 | barrywardell | so sometimes I have to run it a couple of times to get it to work |
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| 12:23:01 | barrywardell_ | JdGordon: you just use tool="cp" instead of reverting that commit |
| 12:23:29 | linuxstb | barrywardell_: What's the point in copying it? |
| 12:24:55 | barrywardell_ | not much, I guess. although you could copy it to ../rbutil/e200rpatcher |
| 12:25:27 | linuxstb | That would seem a bit unexpected |
| 12:25:38 | barrywardell_ | yeah, i suppose so |
| 12:26:06 | barrywardell_ | linuxstb: btw, I have a universal binary of libusb if you want it |
| 12:26:19 | linuxstb | Are you linking statically with rbutil? |
| 12:27:36 | barrywardell_ | yes |
| 12:34:01 | linuxstb | I was thinking it might just be simpler to add libusb to the rbutil source - it's very small once you remove all the autoconf bloat. |
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| 12:37:03 | barrywardell_ | linuxstb: there's a binary installer for libusb here: http://www.ellert.se/twain-sane/ |
| 12:37:57 | barrywardell_ | we could add libusb to the rbutil source, but do we really need to? |
| 12:38:19 | JdGordon | may as well if we want a "universal" installer... |
| 12:39:16 | barrywardell_ | but we can build a universal installer without doing that |
| 12:40:00 | linuxstb | I just have an aversion to external dependencies. But if you're happy with it... |
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| 12:40:49 | Llorean | I think it's probably good to at least try to avoid external dependencies. |
| 12:41:10 | barrywardell_ | linuxstb: I won't complain if you do it ;) |
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| 12:41:47 | barrywardell_ | although it would be nice to keep the option to upgrade to a newer libusb version that doesn't have the same unreliability |
| 12:41:52 | bluebrother | I don't see a reason why it should be bad requiring libusb for building. We simply can provide static binaries ... |
| 12:44:58 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Are there any changes to the e200r patcher bootloader.bin to commit, or was the problem simply that you were using the wrong binary? |
| 12:45:15 | JdGordon | no, just the wrong binary |
| 12:45:32 | * | JdGordon feels stupid because of that :p |
| 12:46:07 | linuxstb | Oh well, at least it's working now. |
| 12:48:39 | barrywardell_ | JdGordon: why do you turn off the wheel backlight in the patcher at the end? |
| 12:48:56 | JdGordon | for the hell of it ? :p |
| 12:49:15 | JdGordon | the patcher could do with a clean up |
| 12:50:00 | linuxstb | I don't know if either of you want to test, but it would be interesting to try and replace the original Sansa bootloader (stored in the firmware partition) with the Rockbox bootloader - to try and speed up boot time. i.e. replace the BL...whatever.rom file |
| 12:50:09 | barrywardell_ | haha, i see. it would be nice to not have to force a power down by holding the power button |
| 12:50:22 | barrywardell_ | linuxstb: I was thinking about doing that |
| 12:50:48 | * | JdGordon doesnt have much faith in e200tool so will pass on that if somone else wants to do it |
| 12:50:53 | linuxstb | Given that jdgordon's app runs fine in manufacturing mode, it seems Rockbox does enough hardware initialisation without needing the Sansa bootloader. |
| 12:51:09 | JdGordon | we still need the OF though |
| 12:51:10 | barrywardell_ | any idea how I replace the bootloader? |
| 12:51:24 | linuxstb | JdGordon: Hopefully not for long... |
| 12:51:31 | JdGordon | no, hopefully not :) |
| 12:51:35 | Llorean | linuxstb: Also possibly a good place to start feeling out for replacing the flash in iPods too? |
| 12:51:40 | barrywardell_ | and the OF should still be in place in the hidden partition |
| 12:52:03 | linuxstb | Llorean: I don't think it's comparable - it all depends on the hardware initialisations, which are very target specific. |
| 12:52:54 | linuxstb | barrywardell_: Maybe the Rockbox bootloader will need to load the Sansa bootloader, which in turn will load the Sansa OF... |
| 12:53:38 | barrywardell_ | linuxstb: uugh, possibly |
| 12:54:17 | linuxstb | I'm guessing you need to replace the PPBL image at the very start of the firmware partition. We'll need to work out what the header values are. |
| 12:54:43 | linuxstb | i.e. "0000000: 5050 424c 38fc 0500 0000 0100 0000 0000 PPBL8..........." |
| 12:55:08 | linuxstb | I'm guessing 0x0005fc38 is the length |
| 12:55:10 | barrywardell_ | they're just the length |
| 12:55:12 | barrywardell_ | and PPBL |
| 12:55:18 | linuxstb | And 0x00010000 ? |
| 12:55:56 | barrywardell_ | not sure |
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| 12:57:31 | linuxstb | You could modify tools/scramble to add a "ppbl" format, which adds the 512-byte header to our bootloader, and then just "dd" it to the firmware partition. |
| 12:58:23 | linuxstb | Or maybe better would be to add a new option to sansapatcher... |
| 12:58:36 | barrywardell_ | sansapatcher could do it very easily |
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| 13:01:16 | barrywardell_ | gtg now. I'll try that later |
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| 13:01:50 | JdGordon | linuxstb: ok, i changed my mind, if someone can modify sansapatcher ill play guiene pig :p |
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| 13:16:32 | JdGordon | linuxstb: can you make another windows bin with svn please (just updated) |
| 13:17:14 | linuxstb | Sure |
| 13:17:46 | JdGordon | ta |
| 13:17:46 | linuxstb | BTW, binaries aren't normally placed in the wiki - they're put on the download server so people know they're safe. |
| 13:18:14 | JdGordon | ok, bagder can move them when he comes in :) |
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| 13:21:18 | linuxstb | It's there, same URL as before. |
| 13:22:41 | JdGordon | should i link to it on the wiki? or download and upload it? |
| 13:23:25 | linuxstb | Just link it will be fine. |
| 13:24:12 | JdGordon | ok done |
| 13:24:32 | JdGordon | barrywardell: if you read logs, can you remake the osx installer please? |
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| 13:38:59 | amiconn | rasher: around? |
| 13:39:11 | rasher | Yup |
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| 13:40:10 | amiconn | Could you point me to the wiki page describing cross-compilation of windows sims? |
| 13:40:17 | amiconn | For some reason I can't find it... |
| 13:41:56 | amiconn | Ah, found it now.. |
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| 13:45:06 | rasher | Ah, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator#Building_Windows_sim_in_Linux if anyone's reading the logs |
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| 13:46:42 | rasher | amiconn: any idea about the problem with loading .rocks/.codecs larger than 512kb? |
| 13:46:53 | amiconn | no |
| 13:47:26 | amiconn | It seems like some configurations work, some don't, but I can't see a pattern |
| 13:47:40 | amiconn | Doom is >1MB, and it works here... |
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| 13:49:47 | Lear_ | rasher: there's a buffer in plugin.c that's too small. |
| 13:50:08 | Lear_ | Depends a bit on how it is loaded (for codecs at least). |
| 13:50:12 | amiconn | Lear: The plugin itself is *not* loaded into that buffer... |
| 13:50:20 | amiconn | (on sims) |
| 13:50:22 | rasher | All this is probably way over my head |
| 13:52:22 | Lear_ | Sorry, a buffer in codecs.c. Used by codec_load_file. |
| 13:52:42 | Lear_ | It is 512 kB, which isn't enough for aac. |
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| 14:09:44 | amiconn | rasher: Erm, is it normal that such a cross sim build throws *tons* of warnings? |
| 14:10:10 | amiconn | xyz.c: warning: visibility attribute not supported in this configuration; ignored |
| 14:10:13 | rasher | no idea, my build script is very quiet |
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| 14:10:48 | rasher | Didn't notice anything like that the few times I built manually though. Perhaps that was with an older mingw32-gcc though |
| 14:10:57 | amiconn | ..and also some about -fPIC being ignored |
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| 14:46:09 | antgel | hi all, i'm out of space on my h340, which i use to listen to oggs and record gigs. the 80gb toshiba hard disk to fit is discontinued. anyone able to recommend alternative hardware that fits my requirement? i was looking at ipod 5g, but seems rockbox is not as good as on iriver e.g. recording gains etc not implemented? |
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| 14:49:20 | marcosource | creative's players ? |
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| 14:49:50 | linuxstb_ | marcosource: This is #rockbox... |
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| 14:50:05 | antgel | marcosource: i know nothing about them. i'll check out the rockbox compatability guide, thank you |
| 14:50:42 | linuxstb_ | antgel: Why not keep your h340 for recording, and buy something else for listening? Rockbox doesn't work on any Creative players. |
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| 14:51:15 | antgel | linuxstb_: *sigh* yeah, i could do. i just love the h340/rockbox combo in a totally irrational way for a bit of plastic and metal |
| 14:52:12 | linuxstb_ | You don't have to lose it - just keep it (as it's a good recording device with Rockbox), and buy something else with larger capacity just for listening. |
| 14:52:36 | antgel | linuxstb_: is the overall rockbox/ipod user experience way down on rockbox/h340, at present? e.g. when might recording gain control be implemented ;) |
| 14:53:18 | antgel | linuxstb_: then, there's the money issue. these things don't grow on trees, my h340's worth at least #150 on ebay, and i can get an ipod for that from cex.co.uk |
| 14:55:12 | linuxstb_ | Gain control will be implemented when someone interested in it does it... So far no-one has. You also need a custom cable to record on the ipods. |
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| 14:57:54 | antgel | linuxstb_: i see. i could do it. :) i'm half joking - i can code but i know SFA about the hardware. custom cable wouldn't faze me |
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| 14:59:33 | linuxstb_ | The main issue on the ipod video with Rockbox is battery life - it's a lot less than the Apple firmware. People seem to quote around 8-10 hours mp3 playback IIRC. |
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| 15:00:27 | antgel | i don't care so much about that, and i'm sure it's something that will improve with time. i can charge it every night |
| 15:01:21 | antgel | maybe i could buy an old broken ipod with duff HD and change the HD |
| 15:01:29 | antgel | then i could keep the h340 as well |
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| 15:03:08 | Nico_P | GodEater: hi |
| 15:04:46 | linuxstb_ | antgel: You can, but not the 80GB disk - it uses a different connector to the H340. See the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HardDriveReplacement page |
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| 15:07:21 | antgel | linuxstb_: no, i mean change the HD in the ipod - cheap way to get a large capacity ipod :) |
| 15:08:39 | n1s | if you can find a cheap HD that is |
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| 15:11:10 | * | antgel browses svn looking for the recording code :P |
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| 15:15:09 | antgel | interesting. i'm going up to the west end to look for a second-hand 5g/80gb :) back much later |
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| 15:18:03 | antgel | linuxstb: btw, any estimate on time for ipod 6g to be usable? |
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| 15:28:40 | ashes | okay |
| 15:28:51 | linuxstb | antgel: It's completely new hardware compared to earlier ipods, has a strongly encrypted firmware, and no-one is working on a port... |
| 15:30:26 | ashes | i installed the EU iriver firmware. i used rbutilqt to install the boot loader. the boot loader works. i have tried multiple times to install rockbox, and the .rockbox directory exists, but rockbox will not boot |
| 15:30:34 | ashes | any suggestions? |
| 15:30:49 | linuxstb | What exactly happens? Do you get an error message? |
| 15:31:23 | ashes | 'result -4' is the last line during boot |
| 15:32:06 | linuxstb | And before that? |
| 15:32:12 | ashes | i dont know if that's an error or not |
| 15:32:59 | Arathis | on H10 recordings aren't saved to the specified directory, but in the root dir. I checked the path in the recording conf and the normal conf file |
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| 15:33:29 | ashes | other than 'result -4', the boot loader doesn't appear to give any errors. just battery voltage, model number, etc |
| 15:33:56 | ashes | checksum |
| 15:34:12 | ashes | oo |
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| 15:34:27 | ashes | i'm in 'bootloader usb mode' |
| 15:34:32 | ashes | can i do anything with this? |
| 15:35:14 | linuxstb | ashes: I think "-4" means that the rockbox.iriver file inside .rockbox can't be read. You could try checking your h340's disk for errors. |
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| 15:40:26 | ashes | that's -1 |
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| 15:41:00 | ashes | behavior is the same though |
| 15:41:19 | ashes | by default the bootloader loads, and then turns off the player |
| 15:41:47 | ashes | ill try to remove .rockbox and reinstall |
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| 15:42:02 | linuxstb | -1 means it can't find rockbox.iriver at all |
| 15:42:34 | ashes | what's -4? |
| 15:44:10 | linuxstb | It means the read() fails - i.e. it exists, but can't be successfully read. |
| 15:45:48 | ashes | hmm |
| 15:46:36 | ashes | the iriver os seems to have a self preservation thingy... it likes to remount it's drive read-only |
| 15:46:55 | ashes | so |
| 15:47:02 | linuxstb | Are you using Linux? |
| 15:47:09 | ashes | i'm having trouble removing .rockbox |
| 15:47:12 | ashes | linuxstb: yes |
| 15:47:18 | linuxstb | Linux will remount a disk readonly if it detects errors in the filesystem. |
| 15:47:26 | ashes | hmm |
| 15:47:29 | ashes | fsck? |
| 15:47:44 | linuxstb | Yes. Or a reformat if you can. |
| 15:48:04 | ashes | mm |
| 15:49:55 | ashes | iriver os's reformat, or linux's reformat? |
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| 15:51:16 | linuxstb | Either. You can try fsck if you want though - it's up to you. |
| 15:51:55 | ashes | i'm backing it up right now |
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| 15:52:53 | ashes | i have probably pulled the cable out at least once without unmounting it |
| 15:53:41 | ashes | mounting with the 'sync' option would be a good idea? |
| 15:55:21 | iamben | ashes: no |
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| 16:01:58 | ashes | in my backup, i got a lot of input/output errors for the .rockbox directory |
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| 16:05:54 | ashes | i must have pulled the usb cable out without unmounting |
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| 16:09:02 | iamben | well thats only a problem if it was still actually writing at the time |
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| 16:13:32 | ashes | iriver boots now |
| 16:13:59 | ashes | dispite rbutilqt doing a segfault after installation |
| 16:15:06 | ashes | segfaults when installing themes |
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| 16:39:46 | Robin0800 | rbutilqt when trying to install the boot loader correctly states boot loader already installed but if you select ok to install it |
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| 16:40:57 | Robin0800 | the install fails whith a no ipod found error this with an ipod video 5 gen. |
| 16:41:22 | xiaden | hey, just letting you guys know, the rockbox utility autoreads my ipod 5th gen on ubuntu... |
| 16:42:07 | xiaden | Robin0800: wow, coincidence... umm it did everything just fine on mine... |
| 16:43:05 | xiaden | Robin0800: what OS do you have? |
| 16:43:52 | Robin0800 | xiaden,don't know why perhaps it can't overwrite it |
| 16:44:48 | xiaden | Robin0800:? what do you mean? like it can't overwrite the firmware partition on your ipod? |
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| 16:48:46 | xiaden | Robin0800:well, the best advice i could give you in this case is to try to uninstall your current bootloader, and then re-install the one you are running now. that *should work.... although i still don't know why it would randommly ignore your ipod... what operating system do you use? windows, mac, or some linux distrubution |
| 16:48:51 | Robin0800 | xiaden,dont know what the failure message means but as it has already found the ipod and can read on the info tab I assume the message is wrong |
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| 16:49:43 | Robin0800 | xiaden,this is on windows |
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| 16:50:59 | xiaden | Robin0800:ahh. mk, well i don't know much about windows versions of this =P |
| 16:51:12 | bluebrother | Robin0800: is the Ipod properly detected (using the Autodetection button in the configuration dialog)? |
| 16:51:33 | bluebrother | and do you have administrator priviledges? |
| 16:53:10 | xiaden | anyways, back to my question: anyone here know what i have to do in order to get my bootloader to list off my options of what i can boot instead of just booting rockbox by defult? |
| 16:53:46 | bluebrother | xiaden: the Rockbox bootloader will always boot Rockbox by default. |
| 16:54:21 | bluebrother | why do you want to change it? Once you booted into AppleOS you need to reset the Ipod to get back to Rockbox anyway. |
| 16:56:50 | xiaden | I liked the way my ipod was booting with my custom firmware, it would list off the options of what i could boot. like Apple O/S disk mode, iPod Linux, and sleep. unfortunatlly rockbox didn't show up in that list. |
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| 16:57:19 | xiaden | (by my, i mean a downloaded firmware, not homemade.) |
| 16:57:49 | bluebrother | IPL's Loader2 has a boot menu, but that is not supported here. Still, I don't see a reason for a graphical menu. It will only delay bootup. |
| 16:58:54 | xiaden | eh, i was just wondering if was possible.. it's not that big of an issue. |
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| 17:01:09 | xiaden | thanks tho, gtg |
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| 17:04:46 | DefineByte | Would 'Apple bootloader' sound better than 'Ipod bootloader' in the manual? |
| 17:04:57 | DefineByte | Really not sure |
| 17:05:34 | animeloe | be nicer though |
| 17:06:08 | animeloe | iPod bootloader sounds more like your booting the ipod :P |
| 17:06:25 | DefineByte | you are |
| 17:06:36 | animeloe | c00l |
| 17:06:45 | animeloe | I'll use da b00t and kick da ipod out :)^ |
| 17:06:46 | DefineByte | I'm talking about the original bootloader |
| 17:06:59 | DefineByte | as opposed to the one that comes with rockbox |
| 17:07:06 | animeloe | the original loader should probiibly be called the apple bootloader |
| 17:07:51 | DefineByte | probably, I want a vote :D |
| 17:07:59 | animeloe | since it's "Apple" |
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| 17:08:23 | DefineByte | bluebrother about? |
| 17:08:30 | bluebrother | yep. |
| 17:08:59 | DefineByte | hi there :) |
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| 17:09:30 | DefineByte | 'Apple bootloader' or 'Ipod bootloader' wrt the original bootloader? |
| 17:09:37 | DefineByte | have an opinion? |
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| 17:09:50 | DefineByte | or none of the above/ |
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| 17:11:17 | DefineByte | maybe 'Original bootloader' (probably not)? |
| 17:11:29 | bluebrother | it's "Ipod" because that sentence is macrofied ;-) |
| 17:11:52 | animeloe | hehe |
| 17:11:53 | DefineByte | yeah well x) |
| 17:12:05 | DefineByte | There are two Ipod bootloaders are there not? |
| 17:12:23 | animeloe | no |
| 17:12:32 | animeloe | the bootloader straps the actual OS |
| 17:13:20 | DefineByte | well currently the manual referrers to an 'Ipod bootloader' and a 'Rockbox bootloader'. |
| 17:13:21 | animeloe | the apple bootloader AND the rockbox (ipodloader) bootloader both can strap the Apple OS |
| 17:13:34 | animeloe | oh |
| 17:13:36 | animeloe | lol |
| 17:13:40 | animeloe | yeah I remember seeing that |
| 17:14:02 | animeloe | I personally didn't like that since the Ipod bootloader is the original APPLE bootstrapper |
| 17:14:17 | animeloe | but the Rockbox bootloader can be extended to boot different OSes |
| 17:14:35 | DefineByte | now I'm lost xD |
| 17:14:41 | animeloe | hehe |
| 17:14:53 | animeloe | the APPLE bootloader only can load the apple OS |
| 17:14:57 | animeloe | right? |
| 17:15:22 | bluebrother | the apple bootloader is in flash memory. It loads the main OS from disc. |
| 17:15:23 | DefineByte | well, maybe with enough jiggery pokery it could load an alternative |
| 17:15:48 | bluebrother | ipodpatcher replaces the main OS to load the Rockbox bootloader first. Which in turn loads Rockbox or AppleOS |
| 17:16:30 | animeloe | wait bluebrother doesn't the flash bootloader contain the Mass Storage Device protocol in it? as well as Diag mode? |
| 17:17:07 | DefineByte | afaik |
| 17:18:04 | linuxstb | The diskmode and diagmode code are separate firmwares, stored in the flash. The bootloader (also in flash) can either load one of those two "firmwares" from flash or the main Apple firmware (from disk) and run it. |
| 17:18:19 | animeloe | okay |
| 17:18:27 | animeloe | it's kinda confusing... having two loaders |
| 17:19:41 | n1s | IMHO the installation chapter of the manual is too technical and has too much unnecessary details |
| 17:19:52 | DefineByte | so, 'Apple bootloader' and 'Rockbox bootloader' then? |
| 17:19:59 | DefineByte | yeah, I think so too. |
| 17:20:16 | DefineByte | especially with rbutil around |
| 17:20:22 | n1s | it should be enough with 1) install rb bootloader 2) unzip rb 3) yes you can uninstall |
| 17:21:19 | DefineByte | but, but...wait till I submit my patch before splitting/removing it okay? x) |
| 17:21:19 | linuxstb | n1s: I disagree. The intention (although I agree the current text isn't perfect) is to try to give users enough information to know what's going on, and why they need to install both a bootloader and Rockbox, and why they will only need to update the bootloader occasionally. |
| 17:22:17 | bluebrother | well, the text could be split up a bit. Maybe mark some parts as "technical details" to indicate it's not necessary to read this for usage? |
| 17:22:30 | n1s | I don't see why the users need to understand that, most of them won't care anyway and the rest could probably find it if we put that info somewhere else |
| 17:22:47 | DefineByte | like 'advanced topics' |
| 17:23:35 | n1s | "More details about the bootloader and booting sequence can be found in chapter foo, page bar" |
| 17:24:23 | DefineByte | what comes after foo and bar? I'm sure there's something (sorry) |
| 17:24:43 | linuxstb | I think the process could be explained without being technical. I think giving users an understanding of how their ipod works is a good thing... |
| 17:25:41 | n1s | DefineByte: we would have to lace it in some chapter for example the "advanced topics" on some page |
| 17:26:19 | n1s | s/lace/place |
| 17:26:57 | DefineByte | I'm not sure it sits well with some of the other stuff in advanced topics though |
| 17:27:37 | DefineByte | it would be better if it didn't turn into a 'catch all' |
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| 17:29:40 | DefineByte | everything in there isn't currently useful, while info on how rockbox actually works...isn't (from a user's perspective) |
| 17:29:52 | DefineByte | -isn't + is |
| 17:30:17 | DefineByte | the first one that is x) |
| 17:32:49 | DefineByte | is playerman{} supposed to return the manufacturer or what? |
| 17:33:16 | bluebrother | yep. See manual/platform/*.tex |
| 17:33:32 | DefineByte | yeah but... it doesn't :) |
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| 17:33:59 | DefineByte | i.e. Ipod instead of Apple |
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| 17:35:20 | DefineByte | Everything would need a big sort out to fix that though |
| 17:35:26 | bluebrother | hmpf. Mixed it up :( |
| 17:35:31 | bluebrother | indeed. |
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| 17:37:26 | DefineByte | on a completely different topic, could rbutil sync the clock on a player? |
| 17:37:55 | bluebrother | no, not easily. |
| 17:37:57 | Crash91 | theres no bubbles image for 176x220x16....which one doe sit use? |
| 17:37:59 | n1s | DefineByte: not unless we invent and use our own usb protocol |
| 17:38:15 | n1s | also only possible on some players |
| 17:38:26 | DefineByte | shame |
| 17:38:41 | n1s | how often do you need to set that anyway? |
| 17:38:46 | bluebrother | well, one could invent some set-clock-based-on-sync-timestamp. That won't be exact though. |
| 17:38:58 | bluebrother | but the RTC is usually quite accurate. |
| 17:39:19 | DefineByte | would be nice though :'( |
| 17:40:25 | n1s | Crash91: I would guess on the 220x176 one, the bubbles are circular after all |
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| 17:40:55 | Crash91 | n1s: k |
| 17:41:14 | DefineByte | what do all these 'Overfull \hbox' errors mean when I build the manual? |
| 17:41:41 | bluebrother | an overful hbox appears when a box (the smallest element for TeX) is too wide to fit in the current line |
| 17:42:03 | DefineByte | I'm seeing them and underfull |
| 17:42:10 | DefineByte | I guess it doesn't matter/ |
| 17:42:26 | bluebrother | unless the value printed along is great it's not really an issue. If the value becomes too big you'll notice in the output |
| 17:42:50 | bluebrother | (you will notice like 5pt if you look really close only) |
| 17:43:10 | DefineByte | good to konw. thanks :) |
| 17:44:22 | DefineByte | LaTeX Warning: Reference `label:WorkingWithPlaylists' on page 41 undefined on i |
| 17:44:22 | DefineByte | nput line 165. |
| 17:44:29 | DefineByte | does that matter either? |
| 17:44:38 | bluebrother | I can recommend "The TeX book" if you want to get known to TeX' internal details |
| 17:44:42 | DefineByte | not/ |
| 17:45:49 | bluebrother | well, it indicated that you referenced a label that isn't given. Usually this results from a typo (or a forgotten label ;-) |
| 17:46:12 | DefineByte | hey, I haven't gone near that section! :D |
| 17:48:06 | bluebrother | I hope you're not planning to submit a huge patch in the end but a bunch of small ones ;-) |
| 17:48:39 | DefineByte | erm, yeah, yeah, that's right.... :shifty: |
| 17:49:01 | bluebrother | ;-) |
| 17:49:14 | DefineByte | theire'd be about fifty patches then >.< |
| 17:49:34 | DefineByte | there'd |
| 17:50:46 | bluebrother | well, still easier to review and submit than one huge blob ;-) |
| 17:51:02 | DefineByte | yeah, I see the point. gah |
| 17:52:28 | DefineByte | how should I split it up then? most of it is just grammar/spelling |
| 17:52:42 | DefineByte | per sub-section? |
| 17:53:12 | bluebrother | well, you could make one patch for grammar and spelling per chapter and all other changes to other patches |
| 17:53:40 | DefineByte | okay. I'll be back in a few weeks x) |
| 17:53:49 | bluebrother | but it's up to you −− just keep in mind that someone has to review it |
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| 17:58:42 | animeloe_iTouch | /close |
| 17:58:47 | animeloe | heh |
| 17:58:51 | Crash91 | quit? |
| 17:59:12 | animeloe | trying to leave a room with my itouch |
| 17:59:27 | animeloe | it's using colloquy |
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| 17:59:27 | animeloe | I'm not too happy with it though |
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| 18:00:07 | barrywardell | I just successfully replaced the bootloader on my sansa with the rockbox bootloader :) |
| 18:00:19 | bluebrother | nice. |
| 18:00:24 | animeloe | I really love my itouch atm |
| 18:00:26 | barrywardell | it even boots the OF ok! |
| 18:00:30 | animeloe | after jailbreak it's so cool |
| 18:00:40 | animeloe | now I want to put an alternate OS on it :) |
| 18:00:43 | animeloe | maybe linux |
| 18:00:55 | Crash91 | jailbreak? |
| 18:00:59 | animeloe | yeah |
| 18:01:04 | Crash91 | its an OS? |
| 18:01:24 | animeloe | the jailbreak is required to alter the stock firmware on the itouch |
| 18:01:32 | Crash91 | oh |
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| 18:03:19 | Soap | Let's keep this on topic - #Rockbox. This is not the #iPodTouch, this is not #BashIpod, this is not #Freenode-Social... |
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| 18:03:29 | animeloe | lol |
| 18:03:41 | animeloe | actually I was interested in weither or not rockbox COULD be put on the itouch |
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| 18:05:04 | n1s | animeloe: it most probably is _possible_ to do it |
| 18:05:17 | animeloe | espceially now that it's jailbroke |
| 18:05:33 | animeloe | only problem is how to get it to have mass storage |
| 18:08:51 | Soap | *only* problem? How about you dig up some documentation for the hardware inside so drivers can be written for the chips? Jailbreak allows programs to be run on the existing operating system, it does not allow new operating systems to be run on the (unknown) hardware. |
| 18:09:25 | animeloe | yeah |
| 18:09:40 | animeloe | but now it's possible to dig inside |
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| 18:13:03 | webguest77 | I havnt installed rockbox yet... have a question. will bookmarks still work on removable media on my sandisk e280? |
| 18:14:20 | barrywardell | hmmm. for some reason the lcd only comes on once the main rockbox firmware/of starts |
| 18:15:38 | bluebrother | webguest77: yes. |
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| 18:23:16 | barrywardell | ahh, it was just the backlight off |
| 18:25:34 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Nice... |
| 18:25:45 | linuxstb | barrywardell: Does it speed up boot-time noticably? |
| 18:26:34 | barrywardell | yeah, it's about 5-6 seconds until I'm in rockbox now |
| 18:26:50 | linuxstb | What was it before? |
| 18:27:02 | barrywardell | I can't remember, maybe twice that? |
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| 18:27:23 | linuxstb | That still seems quite slow though - I wonder where the delay is... |
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| 18:27:48 | linuxstb | Do you know how long it takes before the Rockbox bootloader is executing? |
| 18:28:44 | barrywardell | it's a while before the lcd lights up |
| 18:29:04 | linuxstb | And that happens at the start of the RB bootloader? |
| 18:29:13 | barrywardell | I have verbose mode on |
| 18:29:21 | barrywardell | I get a quick white flash |
| 18:29:24 | barrywardell | then the text |
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| 18:34:52 | saratoga | regarding the touch, you probably would want to use rockbox-as-an-app |
| 18:35:07 | saratoga | it runs on some linux based moble phone, so someone could port it |
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| 18:44:09 | petur | markun: you're right in front on that panoramic pic of yuval ;) |
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| 18:46:08 | petur | fyi, this is the panoramic pic, it is from the gsoc mentor summit: http://users.telenet.be/petur/gsoc_summit_pano.html |
| 18:46:51 | petur | spot the rockbox shirts ;) |
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| 18:49:12 | * | barrywardell just had to use e200tool to recover his sansa! |
| 18:49:54 | saratoga | barrywardell: whats this about using a different bootloader on the sansa? |
| 18:50:11 | barrywardell | I replaced the bootloader with the rockbox one |
| 18:50:42 | barrywardell | so we don't need the sansa bootloader at all any more |
| 18:50:58 | saratoga | is the sansa bootloader the one that shows their logo? |
| 18:51:10 | barrywardell | yeah, the one that starts before the rockbox one normally |
| 18:51:47 | linuxstb | Is the white flash you mentioned caused by the Rockbox bootloader? |
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| 18:52:12 | barrywardell | i'm not sure |
| 18:52:25 | barrywardell | I'm investigating now |
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| 18:58:39 | AceNik_ | guys why is it that we can compile builds for mrobe but they are not available in the daily build section |
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| 19:05:17 | AceNik_ | name AceNik |
| 19:05:25 | AceNik_ | cls name Acenik |
| 19:05:28 | AceNik_ | help |
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| 19:08:17 | AceNik_ | anybody there |
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| 19:16:22 | Nico_P | petur: I can't view thate panoramam |
| 19:17:13 | bluebrother | Nico_P: you need flash ... works quite nice here ;-) |
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| 19:17:54 | Nico_P | bluebrother: I have flash, but it seems to choose java and when I want to change to flash nothing happens |
| 19:18:17 | bluebrother | strange ... I can't choose java. |
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| 19:26:08 | Nico_P | with konqueror the page tells me "please activate javascript" although I have it enabled |
| 19:27:10 | n1s | happened to me too but then the applet loaded automatically although i took a while |
| 19:27:32 | n1s | but I don't have flash |
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| 19:37:03 | petur | the full screen pano runs in a quicktime applet here |
| 19:40:24 | petur | ah somebody posted a normal jpg version: http://www.photopla.net/071006google/spiv1536/071006google06.jpg |
| 19:41:57 | Nico_P | now that's much better :) |
| 19:42:12 | Nico_P | we have scoreche on the left and markun on the right ? |
| 19:42:15 | petur | well... no. It's distorted... |
| 19:42:27 | Nico_P | sure but at least I can view it :) |
| 19:43:08 | petur | I think the left-to-right order is Karl, scorche, markun |
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| 19:44:19 | Nico_P | scorche and markun seem to be the only ones with shirts from their "organisation" |
| 19:44:34 | petur | yes |
| 19:44:44 | Nico_P | ah no I see some KDE shirts too |
| 19:44:45 | petur | I think Karl doesn't have one |
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| 19:55:05 | superkaybee | i've installed manually on a sansa e260 and i'm at the point where i need to unplug usb & reboot |
| 19:55:15 | superkaybee | but the player still says 'writing' −− is it safe to unplug now? |
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| 19:56:17 | krazykit | superkaybee, as long as you've ejected it or "safely removed hardware" |
| 19:56:36 | superkaybee | thanks, i'll keep going from here |
| 19:56:57 | markun | hi guys |
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| 19:57:25 | toffe82 | markun: back home ? |
| 19:57:38 | markun | yes, just arrived |
| 19:58:32 | markun | good to be back in my old timezone :) |
| 19:58:35 | webguest40 | i just installed rockbox on my e200r and i love it. But i was wondering if there is anyway to make the menu screen different. Is there a way to make it do the wheel-like scrolling like on the normal firmware instead of having it listed. |
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| 20:01:13 | Soap | webguest40, that would involve a major reworking of the interface, and would need to be coded by someone who really really wants it. |
| 20:02:26 | webguest40 | oh, i see. It doesn't matter, it's fine the way it is |
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| 20:10:02 | markun | what a stupid philosophy: "While Firefox has had a persistent reputation of being a "fatter" (i.e., more resource-intensive) browser than rivals like Opera, Schroepfer said that mobile hardware is finally catching up with the software." |
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| 20:11:26 | * | GodEater remembers when firefox was first started, the idea was it would be leaner than mozilla |
| 20:11:56 | crashd | phoenix aka firebird |
| 20:12:00 | crashd | then they changed their mission statement |
| 20:12:01 | crashd | iirc |
| 20:12:26 | animeloe | lol |
| 20:12:29 | GodEater | yeah, and now they're doing seamonkey - the mission statement of which is "be fatter than firefox" |
| 20:12:34 | crashd | hehe |
| 20:12:35 | Soap | topic? |
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| 20:12:48 | GodEater | markun's fault :) |
| 20:12:57 | animeloe | heh |
| 20:12:59 | crashd | being on topic is overrated anyways |
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| 20:21:20 | Nico_P | GodEater: hi |
| 20:21:31 | GodEater | hell |
| 20:21:33 | GodEater | +o |
| 20:22:10 | Nico_P | have you given the mob code some more testing ? |
| 20:22:19 | GodEater | not today sorry |
| 20:22:23 | Nico_P | ok |
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| 20:23:39 | GodEater | will do tomorrow though |
| 20:23:43 | GodEater | probably all day :) |
| 20:24:20 | Nico_P | cool |
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| 20:25:33 | Nico_P | I'm working on not releasing track handles on forward skip, so that it's possible to skip backwards without needind to rebuffer |
| 20:25:46 | GodEater | oooh - neat |
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| 20:30:40 | Nico_P | the basic thing was very easy and it's already nice, but there are still some problems |
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| 20:49:52 | scorche | Nico_P: there were quite a few others with shirts, actually |
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| 20:55:12 | scorche | ugh..i really wish he told us he was taking that picture so we actually could look at the camera.. |
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| 21:02:27 | * | amiconn squeezed ~7% performance out of the H300 lcd_yuv_blit() :-) |
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| 21:04:32 | * | Tanuva congratulates amiconn |
| 21:06:29 | n1s | amiconn: nice ;) did you see the yuv_blit optimization patch for pp targets in the tracker? |
| 21:06:57 | amiconn | PP needs other optimisations first |
| 21:08:20 | amiconn | jhMikeS' asm implementation can be ported to the H10s, but needs modification for ipod color and video |
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| 21:08:57 | amiconn | But of course it should use the block transfer bridge (on targets where that applies) |
| 21:09:12 | n1s | ok, just hoping you don't do double work |
| 21:09:30 | amiconn | I'll check that patch before I'll touch PP yuv blit |
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| 21:13:28 | amiconn | n1s: That patch will be superseded by my idea. I'll go asm of course |
| 21:14:19 | n1s | great, asm's nice as long as I don't have to understand it :-) |
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| 21:14:44 | amiconn | The PP targets are the only ones still using C for yuv blitting |
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| 21:15:03 | scorche | petur: so where did you get that from? |
| 21:15:06 | amiconn | (except Sansa e200 and c200, the latter adapted by myself) |
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| 21:15:20 | petur | scorche: mentor mailing list |
| 21:15:34 | scorche | ah.. |
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| 21:25:18 | jhMikeS | amiconn: what's so special about the ipods? can't do the double-line method? |
| 21:25:46 | amiconn | The colour can have one of 2 lcd controllers, type 0 or type 1 |
| 21:26:06 | amiconn | The type 1 controller could do the double line method, as we know it |
| 21:26:17 | amiconn | But the type 0 controller is unknown |
| 21:26:25 | jhMikeS | hmm |
| 21:26:50 | amiconn | In order to do the double-line method with non-memory-mapped lcds, we must be able to switch the update direction |
| 21:27:00 | amiconn | (vertical instead of horizontal) |
| 21:27:14 | amiconn | ...and that requires a controller datasheet |
| 21:27:21 | jhMikeS | obviously no problem with renesas |
| 21:27:26 | amiconn | yup |
| 21:27:39 | amiconn | Not with Tomato TL1771 either (small H10) |
| 21:27:57 | amiconn | ...or with Samsung S6B33B2 (c200) |
| 21:28:35 | amiconn | In fact the double-line method could be used on nano. Currently nano and color share the same driver, but nanos are always type 1 |
| 21:29:22 | amiconn | The color (and also the video) will require strict horizontal order, i.e. buffering the chroma data for the second line |
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| 21:30:18 | jhMikeS | one thing I'm wondering is if I should simply forbid killing arbitrary threads outside some kind of debugging build. I have enough code to make it at least crash-free but no amount of cleanup code can ever make it safe. This code is somewhat large and useless for normal programs. |
| 21:30:23 | amiconn | Btw, type 1 is the familiat HD66789R |
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| 21:31:50 | jhMikeS | Seems odd they'd need the HR66789R for a non-DMA type LCD when other chips would suffice. |
| 21:32:00 | AceNik_ | guys does the mrobe port have a build yet ? |
| 21:32:04 | amiconn | ? |
| 21:32:14 | amiconn | The 66789R is also used in the H300 |
| 21:32:51 | amiconn | I wonder whether type 0 is the built-in controller (if there is in fact one) |
| 21:32:51 | linuxstb | AceNik_: The normal situation is that new ports have downloadable builds when they are considered useful to non-developers. |
| 21:33:30 | AceNik_ | linuxstb: so you mean to say i can compile the build myself |
| 21:33:37 | jhMikeS | exactly, but the 66789R has special stuff for memmapped frames. the big H10 could've used the x5's chip. Come to think of it, could the DMA-type controller be present and useable on H10? |
| 21:33:44 | linuxstb | AceNik_: If it works, I don't know the status of the port. |
| 21:34:01 | amiconn | I don't know... |
| 21:34:03 | linuxstb | AceNik_: But the code is in SVN. |
| 21:34:17 | AceNik_ | linuxstb: ok, thanks, how do i changem y name in this irc |
| 21:34:31 | linuxstb | AceNik_: Type "/nick newnick" |
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| 21:35:53 | AceNik | linuxstb: the code is in svn, but there arent any builds, under the current build section |
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| 21:36:24 | linuxstb | AceNik: Correct. |
| 21:37:45 | amiconn | linuxstb: Do you think splitting the color & nano lcd driver would be a good idea? |
| 21:38:08 | amiconn | It would mean quite some duplication, but would allow simplifications and optimisations for nano |
| 21:38:38 | amiconn | I also wonder whether we'll find a tester with a type 0 color ... |
| 21:40:18 | linuxstb | amiconn: I suppose it wouldn't be too bad - lcd-color_nano.c isn't that big... |
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| 21:40:47 | linuxstb | It would probably get quite messy with even more #ifdefs... |
| 21:41:00 | amiconn | The nano lcd hookup is in fact *very* similar to the h10 |
| 21:41:10 | amiconn | ...as well as the type 1 color |
| 21:41:42 | Ave | jhMikeS: I made a nano head build with 75MHz cpu max, appears to work ok so far, your skip patch not applied |
| 21:41:54 | Tanuva | amiconn: what makes the "type 0" a special color? |
| 21:42:10 | * | amiconn thinks it might even be possible to unify the small H10, big H10 and Nano lcd drivers |
| 21:42:18 | linuxstb | amiconn: I think all ipods sold as "Photo" are type 0. Then Apple changed the name of that ipod to "Color", and shortly afterwards changed the LCD controller. So Colors can be either. |
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| 21:42:48 | linuxstb | So we probably just need to advertise for someone with a Photo. |
| 21:42:59 | linuxstb | (IIUC) |
| 21:43:28 | * | amiconn should try harder to find the lcd controller datasheet for type 0, based on the known commands |
| 21:43:55 | Tanuva | On the package of my pod it says "photo", may that be a hint? |
| 21:44:04 | amiconn | It *might* be impossible - if it actually is the built-in controller of the PP5020 |
| 21:44:23 | amiconn | Tanuva: I guess you have rockbox running on it? |
| 21:44:38 | linuxstb | Tanuva: Can you go into the debug menu, and the "View H/W info" screen? What does the lcd_type display? |
| 21:44:39 | Tanuva | amiconn: yes |
| 21:44:41 | amiconn | If so, you can check the lcd controller type in the debug menu |
| 21:44:42 | n1s | linuxstb: maybe the fund can buy one? |
| 21:44:47 | Tanuva | one moment... |
| 21:46:15 | Tanuva | linuxstb: amiconn: "LCD type" is 0 |
| 21:46:16 | jhMikeS | Ave: it's obviously somethings unrelated to clock skips |
| 21:46:44 | amiconn | Tanuva: Thanks for checking, and nice to know someone around with a type 0 colro :) |
| 21:46:49 | amiconn | *color |
| 21:46:57 | Tanuva | :) |
| 21:47:03 | jhMikeS | the H10 problem was in no way temp dependent but simply COP use+scaling dependent and would happen immediately |
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| 21:50:36 | amiconn | I'm almost sure the nano has an ata timing problem |
| 21:51:32 | n1s | Do you know how to change that? |
| 21:51:34 | jhMikeS | PP ATA setup doesn't seem very thorough |
| 21:52:06 | amiconn | PP has several ata timing registers we don't touch yet, 'cause we don't know how |
| 21:52:54 | n1s | amiconn, jhMikeS: did you guys see that Soap offered to send one of you an affected nano? |
| 21:53:06 | n1s | and pay all the shipping etc |
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| 21:54:52 | Buschel | do we know any details about the ipod 5th gen lcd controller? |
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| 22:00:23 | jhMikeS | n1s: I'm aware, yes. I could _try_ to straighten it out. |
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| 22:03:58 | jhMikeS | this mutex probing needs removal from ata.c otherwise it requires an actual spinlock test (_w_tmo or try_lock) function to be implemented. |
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| 22:14:58 | * | jhMikeS sees ata_mmc.c also peeks at .locked directly :\ |
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| 22:20:53 | zajacattack | hey, does e200rpatcher also install the rockbox BL? |
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| 22:29:12 | linuxstb | zajacattack: No. At least not yet. |
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| 22:33:09 | zajacattack | linuxstb: so there's no point in re-patching the BL if you did it the old way? |
| 22:33:25 | linuxstb | zajacattack: No. |
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| 22:40:43 | amiconn | jhMikeS: What's the problem in ata_mmc.c? |
| 22:41:36 | amiconn | ata code is never called from isr context, and the Ondio is single core |
| 22:44:57 | jhMikeS | amiconn: I make no promises as to the meaning of kernel objects' members' values and they vary with implementation. |
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| 22:46:22 | jhMikeS | bottom line is that I don't want work in the kernel to upset other things if things change. better to use a public interface with defined behavior |
| 22:46:48 | amiconn | hmm... |
| 22:47:06 | amiconn | Thing is that Ondio works 100% stable, so why introduce unnecessary complexity? |
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| 22:54:45 | jhMikeS | so that kernel objects are treated as opaque data by other code and things behave consistently no matter how they're implemented |
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| 22:58:11 | Zagor | jhMikeS: that's a slippery slope imho |
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| 22:59:06 | jhMikeS | why? |
| 22:59:20 | zajacattack | so, just curious here, what needed to be fixed for e200rpatcher? |
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| 23:00:27 | Zagor | (re)writing code so it "can be used without knowing how it's implemented" can easily escalate into bloat and/or "frameworkism" |
| 23:01:21 | Zagor | (frameworkism: writing code for hypothetical uses, rather than actual needs) |
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| 23:02:22 | jhMikeS | no frameworkism. incosistencies have already caused me enough trouble. if anything needs well defined behavior it's something all code in rockbox relies on to work correctly. |
| 23:02:28 | n1s | zajacattack: apparently the binary it uploaded to the player was of the wrong format |
| 23:03:22 | Zagor | jhMikeS: I'm not opposing this particular change (I don't even know the details of it). I just reflected on the general philosophy of "code that can be used without being understood" |
| 23:04:39 | zajacattack | n1s: ok, so is there work on modifying it so that it writes the patched BL, AND the rockbox BL (along with moving the OF to an unused part of the hidden partiton)? |
| 23:04:54 | jhMikeS | it's not that really. it more of the philosophy of "code that behaves as your use of it expected" |
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| 23:05:43 | n1s | zajacattack: I don't know but I imagine it will get merged with sansapatcher in one way or another |
| 23:05:53 | zajacattack | ok |
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| 23:12:09 | jhMikeS | For example, whether or not you have semaphores/queue_send is one thing. Whether or not mutexes allow reentry by the owning thread is quite another. |
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| 23:16:26 | linuxstb | n1s: e200rpatcher requires libusb to be installed, and sansapatcher doesn't. So it may be easier to keep them separate. |
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| 23:16:46 | n1s | linuxstb: aha |
| 23:17:09 | linuxstb | But I assume rbutil will incorporate e200rpatcher at some point, so it doesn't really matter. |
| 23:17:22 | Zagor | jhMikeS: an unrelated thing: is there a reason why UNCACHED_ADDR uses + instead of | ? |
| 23:18:15 | jhMikeS | Zagor: hmmm...no. is there a reason one should be prefered? |
| 23:19:10 | Zagor | with + I'd worry about accidentally doing it twice and getting mangled pointers |
| 23:19:39 | jhMikeS | yeah, good point (er) :) |
| 23:20:10 | Zagor | :) |
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| 23:24:29 | jhMikeS | use of that memory region does need alot of care anyway or a core can clobber its own cached data in the same manner CPU/COP can to each other |
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| 23:25:11 | Zagor | yeah |
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| 23:41:55 | Mouser_X | I have a request. I figure the worst I'll get is a "no." As such, I don't think it hurts to ask. |
| 23:42:14 | Mouser_X | Would someone be willing to make a Rockbox build with 7331 and 5241 for me? |
| 23:42:25 | Mouser_X | Because they alter some of the same files, the build fails. |
| 23:43:23 | Mouser_X | (I don't know enough about programming to fix the problem on my own.) |
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| 23:46:09 | n1s | Mouser_X: those two add codecs which means mostly new files and a few added lines here and there, should be dead simple fo fix any failed hunks |
| 23:46:52 | Mouser_X | I would expect so. However, I have no idea where to start, or what I'd need to do. |
| 23:47:18 | n1s | do you get messages about failed hunks when patching? |
| 23:47:51 | Mouser_X | (If I add 5241 first, then 7331, there's lots of problems. If I add 7331 first, followed by 5241, there's only 12 lines of problems. I figure this means I could "fix" 5241 easier than "fixing" 7331.) |
| 23:48:07 | Mouser_X | No, both say they patched successfully. |
| 23:48:23 | n1s | so what is the problem? |
| 23:48:40 | Mouser_X | It doesn't build. |
| 23:48:54 | n1s | well, a bit more info would be useful... |
| 23:48:59 | Mouser_X | The build fails. They both say they patch successfully, but when building it, it fails. |
| 23:49:22 | n1s | yes, but fails _where_ and does it display any errors? |
| 23:50:09 | Mouser_X | Yes, there are errors. It fails when trying to build the MOD (5241) codec (if I do GBS [7331] first). |
| 23:50:17 | bluebrother | have you ran a make clean first? Might help |
| 23:50:56 | Mouser_X | One of the errors I remember is that it says something like "expected VORBIS <can't remember> found <something> instead" |
| 23:51:15 | Mouser_X | ^ There's a few of those. |
| 23:52:05 | n1s | first do a make clean as bluebrother suggested then if it still fails post the whole build log to pastebin |
| 23:52:35 | Mouser_X | Make clean? That depends. I've done it a few different ways. I've started with a freshly downloaded/checked out SVN before. |
| 23:52:47 | Mouser_X | Where can I find the build log? |
| 23:53:00 | bluebrother | on the console ... |
| 23:53:13 | n1s | I mean the messages printed when it builds |
| 23:53:37 | Mouser_X | Hmmm. I was hoping it output it somewhere. |
| 23:53:46 | Mouser_X | (I'm using cygwin.) |
| 23:53:55 | n1s | you can of course pipe it to a file... |
| 23:54:03 | n1s | like make &> file.txt |
| 23:54:29 | Mouser_X | Ah. |
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| 23:54:34 | Mouser_X | I'll try that. |
| 23:54:45 | Mouser_X | (It'll take awhile. I'm on a slow machine) |
| 23:56:39 | Mouser_X | I know I've asked this before, but I keep forgetting. How do I delete a directory and its subdirectories, with a "yes to all" feature/command? |
| 23:56:46 | Mouser_X | (In cygwin of course) |
| 23:56:53 | bluebrother | rm -rf <folder> |
| 23:56:58 | Mouser_X | Thanks. |
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